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| 00:15.49 | veryhappy | ok korkman i'm here |
| 00:16.11 | korkman | so aptitude is configured in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:16.21 | veryhappy | yea |
| 00:16.31 | korkman | there's also /etc/apt/sources.d |
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| 00:16.56 | TomyLobo | hmmm kde-runtime recommends an obsolete package (virtuoso) |
| 00:17.11 | korkman | you can put files ending in .conf in there and they will add to sources.list. convenient sometimes. for example google-chrome adds it's sources there. |
| 00:17.22 | veryhappy | what's the difference korkman |
| 00:17.26 | korkman | 1 sec |
| 00:17.32 | korkman | i was wrong |
| 00:17.37 | korkman | ending in .list |
| 00:17.40 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:18.11 | TomyLobo | difference is: the files in .d arent managed by the debian package |
| 00:18.32 | veryhappy | TomyLobo: thank you, so what do you use it for? |
| 00:18.42 | TomyLobo | i.e. the package manager wont bitch at you for changing sources.list :) |
| 00:18.43 | veryhappy | i mean don't we want to have it managed? |
| 00:18.51 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:19.10 | TomyLobo | if you add external repos, you dont want it to manage them |
| 00:19.29 | korkman | you can add the backports repository, and then you will have more recent versions of packages available. |
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| 00:20.04 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:20.28 | korkman | keep in mind that, unless you need a feature, debian stable / squeeze has the best security |
| 00:20.39 | veryhappy | well what i don't like on debian for example is it has no firefox available but fedora has also its own weakness in some cases |
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| 00:20.48 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:20.57 | korkman | in debian, iceweasel is your new firefox :-) |
| 00:21.03 | korkman | they had to rename it |
| 00:21.11 | veryhappy | i know but how slow |
| 00:21.37 | veryhappy | i've even tried gentoo, but i got stuck :D |
| 00:21.38 | korkman | otoh, i installed firefox in /usr/local and gave my user permissions to modify the firefox directory |
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| 00:21.58 | korkman | so it now auto-updates and i can forget about it |
| 00:22.16 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:22.18 | korkman | not very debian, but i like most recent version of firefox available |
| 00:22.25 | veryhappy | yea understable |
| 00:22.31 | veryhappy | so i have another questions |
| 00:22.40 | veryhappy | if i want to change my default soundcard? |
| 00:22.51 | veryhappy | i tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 00:22.56 | korkman | you only want to use textmode i got that right? |
| 00:22.58 | veryhappy | and alsa-utils |
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| 00:23.24 | veryhappy | mostly. because i'm working mostly over ssh even tho i could attach a keyboard ;) |
| 00:24.14 | veryhappy | you only learn the most of linux if you can configure it to your need over commands :D |
| 00:24.32 | korkman | i live in the world or pulseaudio gui now, pure alsa is so old school ... |
| 00:24.43 | korkman | asoundconf i think |
| 00:24.50 | veryhappy | hmm ok |
| 00:24.56 | veryhappy | well i'm using mostly fedora |
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| 00:25.20 | veryhappy | but i even can't get secondlife working on there, yea you got me i'm a secondlife player :D |
| 00:25.28 | bolt | I have a xorg.conf similar to this http://blog.dale.id.au/archives/1281 trying to use nouveau for dual-head. My problem is both my screens use DISPLAY=:0.0. They are not currently mirroring eachother. They just use the same identifier, which makes me unable to do stuff like "DISPLAY=:0.1 xeyes" to open stuff on the second monitor. How come? |
| 00:26.02 | bolt | I can start a program on the secondary screen just fine, and it will stay there. but the DISPLAY variable seems borked |
| 00:26.42 | craigevil | iceweasel: Installed: 12.0-7 works just like Firefox 12, I have the same addons/plugins in both |
| 00:26.52 | korkman | veryhappy: i'm trying to find that old soundcard chooser ... you can edit .asoundrc by hand of course |
| 00:27.42 | korkman | veryhappy: "apt-cache search alsa" brings up lots of packages :-) |
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| 00:28.38 | veryhappy | holy... |
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| 00:29.32 | korkman | veryhappy: i you want to know what's inside some package you installed, there are many ways. i like selecting the file in mc and pressing enter :-) |
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| 00:29.42 | TomyLobo | veryhappy debian has no firefox because the usual firefox package isnt free software |
| 00:29.51 | TomyLobo | (the artwork isnt free) |
| 00:30.03 | TomyLobo | debian has iceweasel though |
| 00:30.10 | veryhappy | isn't? how can they offer it free then? |
| 00:30.22 | craigevil | !why iceweasel |
| 00:30.22 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 00:30.24 | TomyLobo | free software doesnt just mean free of charge |
| 00:30.33 | korkman | veryhappy: only mozilla can offer it free (the artwork) |
| 00:31.01 | veryhappy | ok got it |
| 00:31.17 | TomyLobo | iceweasel is essentially the same as firefox. you'll have to look really hard to find a difference beyond the logos |
| 00:31.22 | TomyLobo | (and names) |
| 00:31.26 | tensorpudding_ | well, there's the patches |
| 00:31.39 | TomyLobo | that'd be "looking really hard" :) |
| 00:31.42 | tensorpudding_ | any patches by debian could well be unique |
| 00:31.49 | TomyLobo | for him, anyway |
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| 00:32.17 | n-iCe | hi |
| 00:32.22 | tensorpudding_ | well, it means in theory that you could have bugs in the upstream firefox that don't exist in the same version of iceweasel, for instance |
| 00:32.24 | korkman | how to configure a default soundcard with alsa ... |
| 00:32.36 | veryhappy | korkman: well i'm quite "a freak" i have a pentium III in a cardbox and a few pcs (different distros and operating systems) and a barebone with multicore and also with debian |
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| 00:33.05 | korkman | veryhappy: welcome to the family |
| 00:33.05 | tensorpudding_ | doesn't debian include pulseaudio now |
| 00:33.06 | veryhappy | and because i mostly use the pentium III without keyboard and the barebone also mostly that's why i need ssh |
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| 00:33.10 | veryhappy | :) thank you |
| 00:33.19 | tensorpudding_ | so that you don't have to worry about alsa |
| 00:33.49 | veryhappy | can you guys tell me if there is a possibility to adjust the picture on my tv from my barebone over hdmi? |
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| 00:34.11 | veryhappy | i want it to show the output not over vga but hdmi but the screen doesn't fit in the edges |
| 00:34.26 | korkman | veryhappy: heh i fixed that problem for mine recently |
| 00:34.52 | veryhappy | wow good |
| 00:35.14 | korkman | veryhappy: you must get the resolution right first, of course, then set tv output accordingly. mine has a mode "true scan" which only appears on hdmi channels. |
| 00:35.19 | tensorpudding_ | isn't that a problem with the screen |
| 00:35.39 | tensorpudding_ | or rather, one you can manually adjust using the screen settings |
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| 00:35.45 | veryhappy | i think it's just that i can't adjust the picture |
| 00:35.48 | veryhappy | yea right |
| 00:36.26 | veryhappy | but: on my barebone is atm nothing more installed than textmode :D |
| 00:36.27 | korkman | tensorpudding: yes, that's the last step. and veryhappy, not every combination of gfx and tv work :-/ |
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| 00:36.59 | korkman | veryhappy: i recommend xfce for tv. |
| 00:37.01 | veryhappy | well i just have text mode ONLY |
| 00:37.05 | TomyLobo | veryhappy ah, i'm sorry. you equating "free of charge" to "free software" looked like you're a noob :) |
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| 00:37.52 | veryhappy | TomyLobo: i don't understand that...? |
| 00:37.57 | korkman | veryhappy: gnome2 will very much break and change into gnome3 on next release |
| 00:38.16 | korkman | veryhappy: and kde isn't very nice on the gfx card (with nvidia drivers) |
| 00:38.30 | TomyLobo | [02:29:43] <TomyLobo> veryhappy debian has no firefox because the usual firefox package isnt free software [02:30:11] <veryhappy> isn't? how can they offer it free then? |
| 00:38.36 | TomyLobo | that |
| 00:38.36 | korkman | so for tv, i think xfce is best option |
| 00:39.24 | TomyLobo | free of charge doesnt mean free software. and certainly not to everyone's definition :) |
| 00:39.29 | veryhappy | TomyLobo: i'm sorry but i have to admit that i really seem to not know the difference between free of charge and free software |
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| 00:39.52 | craigevil | !dfsg |
| 00:39.52 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 00:40.02 | TomyLobo | veryhappy it's simple actually: (truly) free software allows modification of all parts |
| 00:40.34 | veryhappy | ah now i got it |
| 00:40.42 | veryhappy | but firefox you can't modify right? |
| 00:40.48 | korkman | i like to think of free software as software with a free will. it can evolve on it's own, chose the programmers to work on it. like, it lives. |
| 00:40.51 | TomyLobo | i.e. you're *free* to do whatever you want with it :) |
| 00:41.06 | TomyLobo | korkman apt-get install skynet |
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| 00:41.29 | iluminator101 | how do use util-linux to format a file with minix file system |
| 00:41.48 | craigevil | N: Unable to locate package skynet |
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| 00:41.53 | korkman | TomyLobo: i was so hoping for an easter egg there but it's just not available :-) |
| 00:42.00 | TomyLobo | thankfully, craigevil :) |
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| 00:42.19 | korkman | probably i'd have to add a repo with a release name from the future ... |
| 00:42.34 | veryhappy | korkman: shall i program you one? |
| 00:42.36 | veryhappy | :D |
| 00:42.46 | craigevil | TomyLobo, naw just install Chome , in a few more yrs Google will be skynet |
| 00:43.07 | korkman | *ahem* aptitude install chromium-browser |
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| 00:43.27 | Sean-Der | Is there a way to make pulseaudio non-blocking on login? Login to a TTY takes noticeably longer after install pulseaudio |
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| 00:43.45 | Sean-Der | I looked into having it as a system service, but the devs don't reccomend it |
| 00:43.46 | veryhappy | you like chome? you also like the spy programs that they programmed in it? |
| 00:43.59 | tensorpudding | iluminator101, are you sure that util-linux has the ability to do minix formats |
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| 00:44.18 | tensorpudding | if it does, then mkfs.minix would be it |
| 00:44.19 | veryhappy | iluminator101: what do you actually need minix for? |
| 00:44.30 | TomyLobo | hrm, which sound system should i use? |
| 00:44.38 | korkman | veryhappy: chromium-browser includes none of the "disputed" features of g-chrome i think |
| 00:44.47 | TomyLobo | alsa? esound? oss? pulseaudio? jack? |
| 00:44.49 | iluminator101 | all the other filesystem takes up too much space on the cf card |
| 00:44.51 | tensorpudding | pulseaudio |
| 00:44.52 | veryhappy | korkman pulseaudio? |
| 00:45.12 | veryhappy | oops |
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| 00:45.20 | korkman | veryhappy: you can install pulseaudio but i don't know if it will be of any use on shell only |
| 00:45.21 | veryhappy | TomyLobo: i think pulseaudio |
| 00:45.28 | tensorpudding | it's easy, it works for most people, it's got a backend for alsa and a wrapper for oss |
| 00:45.47 | tensorpudding | and it's becoming the "default" as much as anything |
| 00:45.51 | veryhappy | korkman: wrong recipient |
| 00:46.01 | korkman | veryhappy: still true :-) |
| 00:46.36 | tensorpudding | if you're doing something on a multi-user "desktop" system then per-user pulseaudio processes will be simple enough |
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| 00:47.00 | korkman | pa is per-user by default on debian, right? |
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| 00:47.16 | tensorpudding | yes |
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| 00:48.12 | TomyLobo | tensorpudding there's supposedly also a flashplugin-nonfree-pulse package, but not in wheezy it seems. is that useful? |
| 00:48.23 | tensorpudding | uh, i don't think so? |
| 00:48.26 | veryhappy | ok you guys so i will describe you once more my problem: my barebone shows even the boot desktop over hdmi, well the output that would come over vga it also handles over hdmi, but if it tries to switch the resolution on my tv in the new text mode it overexpands the text mode and i can't see the lines below it |
| 00:48.39 | Sean-Der | Pulseaudio by default in Debian is per user |
| 00:48.42 | TomyLobo | flashplugin-nonfree suggests it |
| 00:48.53 | tensorpudding | i can hear sound just fine with the regular pulseaudio with regular gnome on squeeze |
| 00:49.00 | tensorpudding | err, sound from flash video |
| 00:49.06 | TomyLobo | thing is: i can't :D |
| 00:49.21 | tensorpudding | on squeeze? |
| 00:49.25 | TomyLobo | yes |
| 00:49.40 | korkman | veryhappy: textmode is rather strange for tv, i think i never got that right on hdmi |
| 00:49.54 | veryhappy | ok pity |
| 00:49.54 | TomyLobo | it stopped... sometimes after hibernation, sometimes just randomly |
| 00:50.14 | TomyLobo | going through alsa i guess |
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| 00:50.20 | veryhappy | i think i would even install debian on a toaster but that's just possible with bsd |
| 00:50.21 | tensorpudding | weird |
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| 00:51.26 | korkman | checks if there's any vga mode remotely 1920x1080 |
| 00:51.56 | veryhappy | can someone please help me finding out which distribution linden labs uses for their servers? :) |
| 00:52.18 | TomyLobo | sometimes it stops entirely, sometimes it repeats the last buffer indefinitely |
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| 00:52.22 | mick_laptop | veryhappy: what.. .why? |
| 00:52.28 | TomyLobo | sometimes audacious is also affected, sometimes not |
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| 00:52.42 | mick_laptop | veryhappy: why? |
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| 00:52.58 | veryhappy | mick_laptop: i'm thinking about building me an own sim server |
| 00:53.09 | mick_laptop | oh |
| 00:53.13 | n-iCe | sorry, how may I know my network-manager version |
| 00:53.28 | nevyn | dpkg -l networkmanager |
| 00:53.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching networkmanager |
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| 00:53.54 | TomyLobo | if network-manager gives you trouble, try wicd |
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| 00:54.17 | nevyn | but with a - |
| 00:54.37 | bfig | question about includer directives: if i have a #include <assimp/assimp.h> will that catch /usr/include/assimp/assimp.h ? |
| 00:54.42 | n-iCe | network-manage 0.9.4.0-3 |
| 00:54.43 | iluminator101 | tensorpudding, how? |
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| 00:55.07 | tensorpudding | iluminator101, you'd use the tool mkfs.minix |
| 00:55.16 | tensorpudding | it'd be explained in the documentation for util-linux |
| 00:55.28 | tensorpudding | presumably in its manual page |
| 00:55.39 | mick_laptop | veryhappy: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies |
| 00:55.48 | mick_laptop | you can run it on anything |
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| 00:55.57 | mick_laptop | you just need mono |
| 00:56.58 | veryhappy | ok wow that went fast :D |
| 00:57.33 | veryhappy | is there also written how much power your pcs need? |
| 00:58.01 | korkman | veryhappy: as for the tv vs textmode, http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/lxr/source/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt list no mode suitable for tv |
| 00:58.21 | korkman | (random up-to-date linux docs html) |
| 00:58.38 | veryhappy | hmmm thanks korkman |
| 00:59.08 | TomyLobo | adobeflashplugin needs a transitional package |
| 00:59.55 | TomyLobo | atm upgrading is just broken... it first tries to remove the old adobeflashplugin package, then wonders why it cant find a flash plugin for some other package |
| 00:59.59 | veryhappy | wow you guys are unbelievable :) |
| 01:00.21 | korkman | i'm testing systemd for my desktop system. i boots 7 seconds slower :-/ and i was bitten by the sudo bug. anything else i should watch out for? |
| 01:00.31 | korkman | tttt |
| 01:00.32 | tensorpudding | i've grown frustrated with dealing with flash packages |
| 01:00.42 | korkman | (i think my t is broken) |
| 01:00.44 | tensorpudding | i just grab the latest version's .so file and put it in the right place |
| 01:01.00 | korkman | tensorpudding: the flash installer package is nice |
| 01:01.15 | korkman | tensorpudding: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:01.20 | TomyLobo | hrm ok it's not the order that breaks it |
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| 01:01.30 | tensorpudding | i don't know what version the debian one is at |
| 01:01.44 | veryhappy | korkman: i think i rather use it better just with ssh and leave it attached to my tv for usage with windows :) |
| 01:01.45 | korkman | tensorpudding: then update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:01.48 | tensorpudding | on ubuntu it's too outdated for the latest version of chrome, chrome kept whining |
| 01:01.55 | korkman | tensorpudding: it downloads and installs latest |
| 01:02.00 | TomyLobo | i have flashplugin-nonfree and adobe-flashplugin. if i purge adobe-flashplugin, i get "error no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin" |
| 01:02.04 | tensorpudding | because it was 11 r1, so i grabbed 11.2 from adobe |
| 01:02.18 | TomyLobo | i dont even know what iceape is |
| 01:02.19 | tensorpudding | you have to update it manually? that's annoying |
| 01:02.47 | korkman | tensorpudding: yes well you can cronjob that |
| 01:03.07 | tensorpudding | it's too much of a pain to guarantee that cronjobs run |
| 01:03.27 | tensorpudding | i'd rather just not bother until it isn't suitable, then grab a new one |
| 01:03.54 | veryhappy | see you guys :) |
| 01:03.56 | veryhappy | thank you for all |
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| 01:04.15 | korkman1 | re |
| 01:04.27 | tensorpudding | in any event flash's days of linux support are numbered now |
| 01:05.46 | korkman1 | the packages from adobe are a pain ... i'm glad the updater exists |
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| 01:08.30 | factor | Does anyone know if badblocks actually fixes problem or do I need to send its data to another program to remap filesystem |
| 01:08.47 | craigevil | if you use flashplugin-nonfree to update just do update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 01:09.11 | craigevil | or use flashplayer-mozilla from the dmm repo, do not use the adobe-flashplugin as it is made for ubuntu not debian |
| 01:09.37 | korkman1 | factor: badblocks does nothing. you cannot redirect bad sectors yourself, you must write to the sector, then the hard drive will reallocate |
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| 01:11.12 | korkman1 | factor: in the very rare case when you have permanent bad sectors (current hard drives won't) you can give ext fs the information what blocks to avoid |
| 01:11.29 | TomyLobo | craigevil i've had adobe-flashplugin from squeeze |
| 01:11.47 | korkman1 | factor: but only on formatting |
| 01:11.55 | craigevil | ,versions adobe-flashplugin |
| 01:11.56 | judd | No package named 'adobe-flashplugin' was found in i386. |
| 01:12.03 | TomyLobo | now i want to get rid of it :/ |
| 01:12.26 | TomyLobo | well i *think* it was squeeze anyway |
| 01:12.43 | craigevil | no such package in debian, the only way to get such a package is to install directly from adobe, the package is not made for debian |
| 01:12.55 | TomyLobo | bleh, maintainer ubutu motu developers |
| 01:13.04 | craigevil | !adobe flash |
| 01:13.04 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 01:13.20 | TomyLobo | and the easiest way to uninstall it? :) |
| 01:13.52 | TomyLobo | well the one that works in all cases, actually |
| 01:14.04 | korkman1 | factor: but as i said, writing to the sectors reallocates them. if you want to clear a hard drive completely, you'd have to read it infull, write zeroes over it, re-read it to detect further bad sectors, write zeroes again if more bad sectors show. |
| 01:14.06 | craigevil | either apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree or if you use the dmm repo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 01:14.20 | TomyLobo | i want to remove it |
| 01:15.21 | TomyLobo | i want to remove the "adobe-flashplugin" package |
| 01:15.27 | TomyLobo | apt-get remove failed |
| 01:15.52 | craigevil | apt-get purge adobe-flashplugin, chances are you will have to use dpkg and force it |
| 01:16.06 | TomyLobo | that sounds good. how? :) |
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| 01:18.49 | korkman1 | factor: did you read anything i posted :-) |
| 01:19.17 | factor | korkman1, ok thanks |
| 01:19.24 | factor | was on other screen |
| 01:19.53 | korkman1 | basically, with a bad sector in a file, don't worry. just delete the file. |
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| 01:20.32 | factor | korkman1, do I run e2fsck with -c |
| 01:20.49 | korkman1 | factor: no |
| 01:21.10 | korkman1 | thinks |
| 01:21.10 | factor | it is a blank device |
| 01:21.24 | factor | web pages talk about remapping |
| 01:21.31 | korkman1 | blank device? perfect. do dd if=/dev/zero of=device bs=4096 |
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| 01:21.45 | korkman1 | web pages are from 1990s |
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| 01:22.13 | craigevil | TomyLobo, dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq adobe-flashpugin , then manually delete any files it leaves behind |
| 01:22.14 | korkman1 | smartctl can do an offline test before hand |
| 01:22.23 | factor | korkman1, ok |
| 01:24.07 | korkman1 | factor: if you want to clean sectors not yet marked bad, "smartctl -t long /dev/sdX" |
| 01:24.29 | korkman1 | but just writing and reading is straight forward |
| 01:24.38 | TomyLobo | craigevil how about (re)moving the prerm file? |
| 01:24.44 | TomyLobo | sounds less invasive to me |
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| 01:24.56 | factor | korkman1, ok will do |
| 01:25.15 | korkman1 | factor: and keep an eye on reallocated sector count in smartctl -a |
| 01:25.40 | korkman1 | factor: >100 and the drive is unrealiable, >1000 and it is essentially dead |
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| 01:26.01 | craigevil | TomyLobo, no clue if that will work |
| 01:26.54 | TomyLobo | since there's no postrm either, that'll make apt-get remove basically just delete the files and exit, saving me to do that manually |
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| 01:31.28 | n-iCe | big problem, I'm trying to remove network manager in order to install wicd, but it looks like will remove a lot of gnome packages, why? |
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| 01:31.39 | r0b- | how do i perm add a path |
| 01:31.48 | r0b- | to my $USER/PATH |
| 01:32.02 | korkman1 | n-iCe: probably because wicd does not depend on gnome |
| 01:32.03 | dvs | n-iCe: Probably because it's trying to remove the gnome virtual package |
| 01:32.12 | n-iCe | dvs: what can I do |
| 01:32.27 | n-iCe | to just remove the network-manager package |
| 01:32.35 | r0b- | dvs do i know you? |
| 01:32.43 | korkman1 | n-iCe: mark the gnome-desktop as being installed manually |
| 01:32.57 | korkman1 | n-iCe: in aptitude |
| 01:32.58 | n-iCe | korkman1: how, sorry |
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| 01:33.34 | dvs | n-iCe: Hmm... I'm not sure how to remove network-manager as a dependency of gnome. There is a network-manager-gnome package you can try to remove first. |
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| 01:33.51 | TomyLobo | craigevil do you think i have to reinstall the new flash package now? |
| 01:34.13 | TomyLobo | or would the package manager have complained if they had overwritten each other's files? |
| 01:34.38 | n-iCe | dvs: I did, but after rebooting, the applet is still there |
| 01:34.49 | korkman1 | n-iCe: there's a package task-gnome-desktop. if you install that, it should keep everything in place. |
| 01:34.50 | dvs | r0b-: Try $HOME/.profile |
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| 01:35.18 | craigevil | TomyLobo, i would, it should install ok |
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| 01:35.31 | korkman1 | n-iCe: but iirc, i had to mark several smaller packages instead |
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| 01:35.59 | korkman1 | looks up his aptitude |
| 01:36.37 | r0b- | i got it |
| 01:37.00 | craigevil | mark the packages as manually instaled, then removing network-manager wont want remove gnome |
| 01:37.22 | TomyLobo | oh gnome is such an unimportant package |
| 01:38.03 | korkman1 | n-iCe: yeah, i used aptitude, marked network-manager for removal. then expanded the gnome package and marked all dependencies i needed to install again (thus marking them manually installed) |
| 01:38.40 | korkman1 | n-iCe: basically, you do have to remove gnome (the big meta package) |
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| 01:58.06 | confusid | With the network install images there are different options. If I wanted to have a network i386/amd64 bootable is there an image for this? I only see i386 or amd64 not a combo option |
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| 01:59.32 | korkman1 | confusid: not until multiarch is a reality |
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| 02:00.20 | neededinghelp | hi can someone help with a boot problem ... seems to load then goes to black screen not moving onwards |
| 02:00.40 | jagginess | neededinghelp, does it say grub? |
| 02:01.06 | confusid | korkman1: ty |
| 02:01.39 | confusid | korkman1: if I may ask a possible stupid question. If I boot with a amd564 net cd can I point it to the i386 install media and have it work? |
| 02:01.47 | confusid | and64* |
| 02:01.56 | confusid | amd64* damn.. long day... |
| 02:02.14 | neededinghelp | goes past that loads then black screen if i remove the quiet from i can see it loading then crashes back to black screen |
| 02:02.14 | korkman1 | confusid: no. the arch is defined in the install / boot media |
| 02:02.20 | jagginess | confusid, there's an i386 net cd.. |
| 02:02.42 | jagginess | confusid, why you ask? the i386 net cd doesnt boot? |
| 02:03.19 | confusid | jagginess: downloaded the image for the net cd.. printed it and it has 32/64-bit on it. Was hopeing that ment when was printed on it :) |
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| 02:04.10 | neededinghelp | theis only happens after xorg gets installed |
| 02:04.22 | jagginess | confusid, which link is that? |
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| 02:05.10 | jagginess | confusid, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:06.12 | neededinghelp | anyone ? |
| 02:06.53 | TomyLobo | neededinghelp ctrl-alt-f1 gets you back to text mode? |
| 02:06.55 | jagginess | neededinghelp, did you try booting into single mode? sounds like X is freezing |
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| 02:08.25 | neededinghelp | no to ctr+alt+f1 |
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| 02:24.10 | veryhappy | hey you guys i'm faster back than i actually wanted to - you know that path? /etc/default/console-setup? can't i switch the font off that comes after the first font while booting up? i want to have framebuffer switched off and even the second font that comes after the first...? |
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| 02:25.19 | confusid | jagginess http://ulrich-hansen.de/debian/ That link is where debian.org/CD/artwork sends me when I click on the Squeeze images |
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| 02:26.01 | confusid | jagginess I am refurring to the image that is printed on the cd not the image that is burned/data. |
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| 02:26.40 | korkman1 | veryhappy: you want to keep the kernel outputs in strictily text mode? |
| 02:26.53 | veryhappy | yes |
| 02:27.48 | korkman1 | veryhappy: if you succeed, let me know. i think it is impossible past certain kernel versions :-/ vga=X wasn't cutting it for me in one case |
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| 02:28.10 | veryhappy | vga=0 i think it is |
| 02:28.22 | veryhappy | or vga=1 |
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| 02:29.29 | SiN_Zombie | does anyone know if it makes a difference in which order i install php5 and php5-mysql |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | shouldn't |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | but one depends on the other |
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| 02:31.40 | korkman1 | veryhappy: i dug out some options once http://serverfault.com/questions/329813/how-to-serial-over-lan-past-loading-initial-ramdisk |
| 02:34.45 | SiN_Zombie | Thanks |
| 02:34.45 | veryhappy | seems strange to me |
| 02:34.56 | elvis4526 | Did someone test the new kde4.8? |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | you? |
| 02:35.15 | elvis4526 | Nope |
| 02:35.20 | veryhappy | korkman1: well i think you shouldn't use this one i actually wrote fb=false in the boot.grub |
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| 02:35.25 | veryhappy | lol |
| 02:35.30 | veryhappy | korkman1: grub.cfg |
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| 02:36.03 | korkman1 | nothing on screen then :-) |
| 02:37.12 | edju | I try to run Pan, but it asks for a "default keyring password." I've tried my passwd, root's , and the news server's -none work. A search turned up solutions but they're all Gnome gui ones, and I run KDE. There's got to be a cli solution, but I can't find any. Any pointers, hints, etc appreciated. |
| 02:37.13 | veryhappy | korkman1: nothing on screen? what do you make wrong? |
| 02:37.42 | veryhappy | korkman1: i removed "quiet" and added "fb=false" |
| 02:38.04 | korkman1 | oh you mean those work and keep the kernel in text mode? |
| 02:38.11 | veryhappy | yea |
| 02:38.14 | veryhappy | that's all |
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| 02:38.21 | veryhappy | i don't want this crap of the second font |
| 02:38.58 | veryhappy | korkman1: i don't want framebuffer and also not the second font that comes up anytime after the boot |
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| 02:39.30 | korkman1 | gotta try that some time. the servers i needed it for are in production long time now. |
| 02:39.30 | gabesubdo | haha, veryhappy |
| 02:39.43 | gabesubdo | I think you're fighting a very similar problem to what I'm dealing with right now |
| 02:39.44 | veryhappy | gabesubdo: what haha? |
| 02:39.46 | SiN_Zombie | anyone with knowledge on phpmyadmin, i just installed php5, php5-mysql, phpmyadmin and restarted apache2 but cant get the page for phpmyadmin to come up any ideas? |
| 02:39.49 | veryhappy | ah ok |
| 02:39.52 | veryhappy | i see |
| 02:39.55 | veryhappy | :D |
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| 02:40.47 | gabesubdo | I installed X and now my machine boots into framebuffer mode at a resolution not supported by the monitor |
| 02:41.25 | veryhappy | gabesubdo: exactly that's the same problem that i got. if it wouldn't boot into framebuffer it would fit on my tv's screen over hdmi but so i doesn't. :( |
| 02:41.27 | TomyLobo | ctrl-alt-f1, log in, fix it? |
| 02:41.40 | veryhappy | TomyLobo: HOW? |
| 02:41.41 | gabesubdo | TomyLobo: this isn't X. it's the console. |
| 02:41.46 | TomyLobo | oh... |
| 02:41.55 | TomyLobo | ssh? :) |
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| 02:42.20 | veryhappy | TomyLobo: when you don't know any answer, just listen and learn or watch and learn... |
| 02:42.26 | gabesubdo | yes, the question is what to do with ssh, considering that the obvious thing documented in /etc/defaults/grub doesn't work |
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| 02:45.19 | nsadmin | veryhappy, just as a data point... I've been able to help without initially knowing anything |
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| 02:45.50 | veryhappy | nsadmin: accepted. i'm sorry for being so rude. |
| 02:45.54 | nsadmin | where specific knowledge is lacking, communication and clarification can help |
| 02:46.23 | nsadmin | and by the way, your nick is really cool for a bunch of reasons |
| 02:46.35 | TomyLobo | have you tried vga=ask? |
| 02:46.43 | veryhappy | nsadmin: why? :D |
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| 02:46.58 | veryhappy | because i was so rude? |
| 02:47.01 | nsadmin | the obvious one is it's very bright... |
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| 02:47.27 | nsadmin | another, is it's neither trying to attract or push away |
| 02:47.36 | nsadmin | it's not political or religious |
| 02:47.45 | nsadmin | what it IS, is your truth. |
| 02:47.55 | veryhappy | :) |
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| 02:48.04 | veryhappy | i'm most times happy :) yea |
| 02:48.25 | veryhappy | so why not name me like that :) |
| 02:48.27 | acu | hey guys what is DECnet ? |
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| 02:48.37 | acu | !DECnet |
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| 02:48.48 | acu | DECnet! |
| 02:48.53 | veryhappy | :D hehe |
| 02:48.54 | nsadmin | (when you speak your own truth, it's not dependent on others in any way) |
| 02:49.06 | veryhappy | nsadmin: yea |
| 02:49.10 | TomyLobo | acu short answer? apt-get remove dnet-common |
| 02:49.41 | acu | lol TomyLobo, a bit longer answer would be even better :) |
| 02:49.47 | TomyLobo | long answer: it's an old protocol some package you installed (and now upgraded) drags in |
| 02:49.54 | TomyLobo | type "aptitude why dnet-common" |
| 02:51.05 | acu | TomyLobo, it is suddenly showing up while installing Wheezy - alpha d-i daily |
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| 02:51.29 | TomyLobo | i got it while upgrading to wheezy from squeeze |
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| 02:52.11 | acu | I just choose configure later, hopefully it is OK |
| 02:52.28 | TomyLobo | that's what i did |
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| 02:52.43 | TomyLobo | anything that doesnt mess with my mac addresses :) |
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| 02:53.15 | acu | yes, that is strange, if it is a virtual machine OK, but leave the hard one as they are |
| 02:54.16 | TomyLobo | i wouldnt give it a second thought just for being factory-coded |
| 02:54.29 | TomyLobo | but i'd need to reconfigure my router :P |
| 02:54.53 | acu | I have another issue - I got two HP Proliant ML110 G7 and they are so bloody noisy - the fans run at 50% even when nothing is going on, HP people changed the Motherboard but it is the same, the fans (two out of three) run at aroung 50% and I do not know what to do |
| 02:55.01 | TomyLobo | i set it to only allow known MAC addresses to connect via wlan |
| 02:55.46 | korkman1 | acu: servers are loud, esp. with todays cpus |
| 02:56.11 | veryhappy | korkman1: i got it! |
| 02:56.28 | TomyLobo | solution: soundproof the door :D |
| 02:56.30 | acu | korkman: this is a low end Xeon quad core, and it doing that even at no CPU load |
| 02:57.02 | SiN_Zombie | how can i tell if mysql installed correctly on my system? [h[myadmin doesnt appear to work but not sure mysql made it in corrctly |
| 02:57.18 | korkman1 | acu: my supermicro jbod is even loud when turned off. the psu keeps fans running in standby |
| 02:57.23 | TomyLobo | acu did you check the temperature to verify there's really nothing to warrant the excessive cooling? |
| 02:57.41 | korkman1 | acu: and there's only hard drives in there |
| 02:58.30 | veryhappy | korkman1: i removed quiet in the grub.cfg and added fb=false and in /etc/default/console-setup i commented out codeset, fontface and fontsize |
| 02:58.53 | veryhappy | now it's completely in the kernel mode text :) |
| 02:58.56 | TomyLobo | until you verify that, it could still be 1 of 2 problems: fan control or an actual problem with the cpu temperature |
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| 02:59.15 | acu | TomyLobo: yes, the HP has so called ILO3 (integrated lights out) when you can web based - monitor stuff - the CPU does not go more than 40 celsius - and this goes on even before booting - I mean going into the OS - this has a single hard drive, I tested it without one, the same |
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| 03:00.28 | TomyLobo | hrm, did you check if you can change some fan settings in the bios? |
| 03:00.29 | korkman1 | veryhappy: nice - that should keep kernel output on vga-to-serial converters like ipmi sol running, too. has some advantages over serial console. |
| 03:00.53 | veryhappy | yea good |
| 03:01.03 | TomyLobo | (not familiar with servers, but i bet they still got a bios... or efi setup) |
| 03:01.10 | veryhappy | korkman1: nice that we could figure that out |
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| 03:01.35 | acu | I think is their bios which is screwed, and I actually wanted to build two servers with some mobo with uefi (I understand that you have remote capability too), but we opted for the two cheap HP Proliants, and it was a mistake it seem (yes there are two settings for termal control optimum and cool, when I put it on cool it is even noisier as the third fan spins then at 50%) |
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| 03:02.28 | TomyLobo | wow, detailed setup |
| 03:02.43 | veryhappy | korkman1: i think you even don't have to write fb=false in the grub.cfg |
| 03:02.54 | veryhappy | korkman1: just edit the /etc/default/console-setup :) |
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| 03:04.00 | korkman1 | acu: that sounds like only the third fan is connected to the mobo at all |
| 03:04.28 | BenBE | Hi, I'm looking for a way to make libapache2-mod-gnutls prioritize certain ciphers (e.g. RC4 and TLS1.2 ciphers) over ciphers in CBC mode. |
| 03:04.41 | BenBE | The best thing so far is GnuTLSPriorities SECURE:!MD5:!ANON-DH:+VERS-TLS1.2:+VERS-TLS1.1:+VERS-TLS1.0:-VERS-SSL3.0:+COMP-DEFLATE:-AES-128-CBC:-CAMELLIA-128-CBC:-3DES-CBC:-ARCFOUR-40:+DHE-RSA:+RSA:+SHA256 ... |
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| 03:04.58 | BenBE | (which just leaves RC4-CBC available for selection by the client) ... |
| 03:05.08 | acu | TomyLobo: they are still boxes, nothing so special, three fans, the CPU cooler is huge, and is cool, I always prefer AMD, this time the price was so low so we went for HP Intel, the nice thing about it is that you can boot the system remotely, or monitor it or shut down etc, that ILO I was toking at |
| 03:05.13 | veryhappy | see you guys :) |
| 03:05.18 | acu | korkman1: that is a good observation actually |
| 03:05.26 | acu | veryhappy: see you around |
| 03:05.29 | veryhappy | and always stay veryhappy :) |
| 03:05.35 | dvs | boooooooooo |
| 03:05.37 | veryhappy | see you around |
| 03:05.42 | acu | as long as we breath |
| 03:05.45 | veryhappy | :D |
| 03:05.47 | veryhappy | bye |
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| 03:07.16 | korkman1 | acu: i'd say take a look as to where the fans actually connect. chances are two are connected to the storage backplane. then you'll have to adjust them via the storage controller, if it allows for such |
| 03:07.53 | korkman1 | acu: or just disconnect them and mute the alarm :) |
| 03:08.30 | TomyLobo | how about the soundproof door solution? :) |
| 03:08.56 | acu | korkman1: what is interesting though, is that they swap the motherboards, so it should be OK, this model has fan1 fan2 and fan3 (the front), the 1 (case) and 2(cpu) are running too high, I cannot disconect them, the system shutsdown even for the case one :) |
| 03:09.49 | korkman1 | i got the same problem btw. co-workers a room further would hear that jbod, it's noise goes through walls |
| 03:10.07 | korkman1 | thin walls but well ... |
| 03:10.27 | TomyLobo | tried swapping the cables around? maybe fan 1+2 are just crap |
| 03:10.52 | BenBE | Any way to get something simular to the following solution for mod_ssl? https://community.qualys.com/blogs/securitylabs/2011/10/17/mitigating-the-beast-attack-on-tls |
| 03:11.12 | BenBE | (i.e. for mod_gnutls) |
| 03:11.15 | acu | korkman: I should dig a bit more in bios, the HP people came here today and switch the mobos, but they did not do anything more digging, this servers are going to stay in an office, so they would be anoying, TomyLobo: I did that too, swap the fans around, well let me take a front fan from one and place it as the fan1 in the second |
| 03:11.18 | TomyLobo | i.e. check if line 1 and 2 are able to control fan 3 and vice versa |
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| 03:11.41 | TomyLobo | hmm |
| 03:11.47 | TomyLobo | ok i'm out of obvious :) |
| 03:12.17 | acu | TomyLobo, you are good, it seem you can make use of your intelligence :) |
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| 03:13.17 | acu | korkman1, is a bit more "pushy" or unorthodox, I like that too, though I did everything except taking the front fan of one and place it as chasis fan to the second |
| 03:14.23 | korkman1 | there are fan throttling options available in OS if bios supports that |
| 03:15.07 | peterrooney | korkman1: oh, that would be nice to know. |
| 03:15.34 | TomyLobo | as a bonus, you'd have audible reboot feedback :) |
| 03:15.40 | korkman1 | aptitude install fancontrol |
| 03:16.16 | korkman1 | may help ... |
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| 03:16.59 | korkman1 | acu: you might have to invest a bit into setting up lm-sensors if it doesn't properly detect the fan controls |
| 03:17.38 | karlpinc | wonders if mdmidecode would be at all helpful |
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| 03:29.05 | Tynach | Hey, I was copying files from an LVM partition to a regular partition, and it's suddenly stuck at 45% and 00:38:37 left on the time. Hard drive light is not blinking. What should I do? I'm in Knoppix, but not very many people are in that channel, and I know it's based on Debian. |
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| 03:30.03 | Diopter | Tynach: Um.... check dmesg and syslog, to start. |
| 03:30.09 | dvs | !based ob debian |
| 03:30.10 | Diopter | Tynach: "dmesg | tail", tailf /var/log/syslog |
| 03:30.15 | dvs | !based on debian |
| 03:30.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 03:30.26 | cyberpunk | ... |
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| 03:30.51 | Diopter | notes he's not supporting !Debian, just discussing general troubleshooting techniques ;P |
| 03:31.32 | Diopter | Tynach: You're probably running into disk/controller/device-mapper/filesystem issues, which should make something complain a lot |
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| 03:32.33 | Diopter | Tynach: You can also check top (hit "1" for a per-core breakdown), see if any cores have high SI, HI or IO, and correlate with /proc/interrupts and processes in "D" states on top (state is the "S" column) |
| 03:32.41 | Diopter | Tynach: Should get you started on what/where/why :P |
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| 03:33.57 | Tynach | Alright, thanks. |
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| 03:34.20 | Tynach | And yeah, I asked first in #knoppix, but they've... Got only 4 people in there. None are responding. |
| 03:35.15 | Diopter | S'all good as far as I'm concerned. What you've described is a very general issue that you don't have evidence is distro-specific yet. |
| 03:35.20 | me-1 | I have recently install squeeze but most of apps are missinglike calculator and gnome screenshot |
| 03:35.27 | Diopter | If you get some, their channel/google/etc would be a good next step. |
| 03:35.56 | Diopter | me-1: Did you choose to install the Desktop Environment task? |
| 03:36.12 | me-1 | Diopter, yes |
| 03:36.29 | me-1 | but it install bare-bone gnome |
| 03:36.47 | Diopter | me-1: I am not surprised at all. Debian is very minimalist, by design. |
| 03:37.04 | Diopter | I don't personally use one of the big DEs, so I'm not super familiar with what's included or isn't. |
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| 03:37.43 | Tynach | me-1: try installing something like gnome-desktop or whatever it's called. Use synaptic to look for it. |
| 03:37.49 | Tynach | That should install all of Gnome. |
| 03:38.04 | me-1 | Diopter, it is good . how can i install those gnome utilities now . like i cant take screenshot right now |
| 03:39.16 | Tynach | Diopter: dmesg had a bunch of stuff from an earlier problem with my hard drives. Here's the portion AFTER all that that I believe is more relevant: http://pastebin.com/FyUvWtxJ |
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| 03:40.48 | Tynach | Also, I got a lot of messages in the file copy dialog too that's making me wonder if it tried to recursively copy my whole filesystem; stuff like: ttyu5: Can't copy special file |
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| 03:41.29 | Diopter | Tynach: Sounds like it. |
| 03:41.43 | Diopter | I would personally use rsync, with a flag set that includes -x |
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| 03:42.05 | Diopter | Stands for "one filesystem", meaning it won't descend into mounted filesystems you don't explicitly specify as a source |
| 03:42.07 | me-1 | so its safe to "apt-get install gnome-desktop" I have running gnome btw |
| 03:42.18 | korkman1 | me-1: yes that's safe |
| 03:42.20 | Diopter | Thus, copying "/" won't include /dev, /boot, /proc, /sys, /tmp, /home, etc |
| 03:42.48 | Tynach | Diopter: I'm just trying to copy my home directory from my LVM drive to a new hard drive I'm using for backup. |
| 03:42.55 | Diopter | Tynach: If you want to try to preserve Everything possible, and see progress, I use rsync -phaxPHAX. One of the flags is redundant, but it gives you a very easy mnemonic to remember. |
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| 03:43.25 | korkman1 | me-1: nad if you end up with too many packages you don't want, you can expand that package dependencies and choose explicitly the packages you want from that list, then remove gnome-desktop |
| 03:43.47 | Tynach | Diopter: I don't know how to use rsync. That was one of the few things I've not learned yet... Though I thought it was made for copying between computers. With this, it's just going from one hard drive to another. |
| 03:44.03 | Diopter | Tynach: rsync can copy local -> local, local -> remote, and even remote -> remote |
| 03:44.22 | Diopter | Tynach: rsync -phaxPHAX /path/to/source/ /path/to/dest/ |
| 03:44.42 | Diopter | Which will copy the *contents* of the /path/to/source directory into /path/to/dest |
| 03:44.47 | me-1 | korkman1, i want 2 packges right now calculator and gnome screenshot |
| 03:44.57 | Diopter | The trailing slash is relevant. |
| 03:45.49 | korkman1 | me-1: for a very good calculator, i'd recommend qalculate btw. and if you only need gnome screenshot, install only that |
| 03:46.36 | Tynach | You know what, I forgot; I was running the file browser in a terminal (gksu pcmanfm), and I got this: http://pastebin.com/iXAQFCKp |
| 03:46.54 | Tynach | There's a bunch of similar 'Permission denied' lines above it, so I only copied a few. |
| 03:47.12 | Tynach | But those last few lines are weird. Any ideas if that's what's responsible? Clicking 'cancel' is not doing anything. |
| 03:47.38 | Tynach | +1 for Qalculate. Best calculator ever. |
| 03:49.32 | Rusty1 | me-1: shutter worth a look as well, for screen snapshots |
| 03:49.45 | Tynach | Yeah, though me-1 left. :( |
| 03:50.08 | korkman1 | he'll be back |
| 03:50.52 | korkman1 | will sleep now |
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| 03:51.50 | Tynach | Diopter: I'm pretty sure it's safe for me to Ctrl+C on the file browser. But just in case, do you happen to know if Knoppix has rsync, if not, if there's a command line parameter for mv/cp to ignore hard/soft links? |
| 03:52.29 | tonsofpcs | what do you mean by 'ignore' ? |
| 03:52.44 | tonsofpcs | do you want nothing or do you want the file or do you want the link? |
| 03:54.03 | Diopter | Tynach: If you want the links only, cp -P will not dereference the link. Meaning it will result in the link itself being copied. |
| 03:54.21 | Diopter | Tynach: Don't know if rsync is included with Knoppix, probably easy to go google it |
| 03:54.24 | Tynach | tonsofpcs: I'm trying to copy my home folder to another hard drive, but it's bugging out on files named like.. "ttyu5". So I think it's recursively linking, somewhere, to my root directory. I don't want to follow that link, I want it to ignore it. |
| 03:55.34 | tonsofpcs | what Diopter said. |
| 03:55.56 | Tynach | Eh... Be back in a bit. The windows just closed normally when I clicked the 'x', but I don't know if they actually closed. LiveCD, I'm just gonna reboot back into this livecd. So, yeah. |
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| 03:58.38 | hotwings | ive noticed my debian box is only showing up as it's ip address in my routers 'connected devices' list, while all my windows boxes, phones, etc. actually show the device name. anyone know how to make debian show up as its actual host name or whatever? |
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| 03:59.43 | Diopter | hotwings: You probably don't have your hostname setup correctly, so dhclient can't inform your DHCP server correctly when it requests an address. |
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| 04:00.18 | hotwings | afaik you just edit /etc/hostname with whatever you want to call the box.. is that incorrect or? |
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| 04:01.42 | Tynach | I'm back. |
| 04:01.48 | Diopter | hotwings: That's part of it. You also want to make sure /etc/hosts is appropriate. |
| 04:02.35 | peterrooney | hotwings: what does tty1 say it is? |
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| 04:03.01 | hotwings | the debian installer created /etc/hosts when i installed so i assume its correct |
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| 04:03.32 | hotwings | peterrooney - the bash prompt? it shows my user@host |
| 04:05.08 | Diopter | hotwings: He's actually asking about a tty you're not logged into yet. I.e., what the login prompt says your hostname is |
| 04:05.55 | hotwings | i connect to the box over ssh, the actual box doesnt have a keyboard/mouse/monitor/desktop/etc |
| 04:06.13 | peterrooney | hotwings: oh, sorry. |
| 04:06.16 | hotwings | not sure how to get that login screen from ssh |
| 04:06.23 | hotwings | i dont think you can... ? |
| 04:06.54 | Tynach | Diopter: what was the rsync command I should use again? |
| 04:07.40 | Diopter | Tynach: rsync -phaxPHAX /path/to/source/ /path/to/dest/ |
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| 04:09.15 | Tynach | Knoppix does come with rsync :) |
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| 04:09.35 | Diopter | I would hope so. rsync is amazing in every way |
| 04:09.50 | Tynach | I'm going to have to learn it now! |
| 04:10.08 | Tynach | Will it copy over files that are already copied? |
| 04:11.05 | peterrooney | Tynach: the whole point of rsync is that it doesn't do that |
| 04:11.52 | Diopter | Tynach: If the source is Different, yes. If not, no. |
| 04:11.57 | Tynach | peterrooney, Diopter: and will it complete any transfers that had previously stopped mid-way? |
| 04:12.06 | Diopter | It's idempotent to the source. |
| 04:12.09 | Tynach | Ah, so it won't resume, but it will detect that it should re-copy? |
| 04:12.12 | Diopter | Tynach: Yes, with the flags I gave you. |
| 04:12.18 | Tynach | w00t. |
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| 04:13.20 | jpinx | Diopter: as a matter of interest - why those flags? |
| 04:13.43 | jpinx | uses rsync -r source destination |
| 04:13.54 | Diopter | jpinx: Couple reasons. Main one is it's easy to remember and even pronounceable. |
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| 04:14.16 | acu | I need a samba/virtualization opinion: I want to setup a small file server, I want to use the virtual machine as samba file server and one of the partition as sharing space. The partition for share is around 750 GB, I was wondering whether I should create two volumes, one for the virtual machine (Debian Linux) with Samba and the second storage to be 750 GB for files, then I should add it as storage to the virtual machine, any sugestion |
| 04:14.16 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.27 | Tynach | Well, it certainly is letting me know every single thing that it's doing. Which for me at least is a plus. |
| 04:14.34 | jpinx | Diopter: but simple -r does it all.... |
| 04:15.24 | Diopter | jpinx: Secondly, it shows progress (p), does partial-resumes (P), doesn't descend into mounted filesystems (x), archives -- which brings a lot of flags, including r (a), and also tries to get ACLs (A), hard links (H) and xattrs (X) |
| 04:15.27 | jpinx | rsync -rv shows me everything |
| 04:15.30 | Diopter | Which -r isn't anywhere close to doing. |
| 04:15.39 | Apeiron` | Hmm.. I'm running Debian Wheezy amd64, trying to use Wine. So far all is well, except that lib32asound2-plugins is version 1.0.23 with no update available at all.. considering multi-arch is supported, I thought I could install the i386 package instead, but it claims to break the amd64 install.. why is that? I need >1.0.24 as the audio is a little crackly in 1.0.23, and the console output even advises updating |
| 04:16.29 | Tynach | Really? Partial resumes? So it does start where the other copy left off? I've been missing out. |
| 04:16.39 | Diopter | Tynach: Yes. |
| 04:17.05 | Diopter | jpinx: Oh and I forgot (h), which makes the progress use human-readable scaling for values. |
| 04:17.43 | Tynach | Hmm. It's a shame it doesn't include an ETA as well. |
| 04:18.03 | jpinx | Diopter: not descending into dirs is no a requirement for me - I want to copy everything |
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| 04:18.22 | Diopter | jpinx: I didn't say not descending into dirs. I said not descending into *mounted* dirs. |
| 04:18.27 | Tynach | It's descending into dirs here. Just not other filesystems. |
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| 04:18.54 | Diopter | jpinx: Which means you can rsync / and not get dev, sys, proc, home, tmp, ... |
| 04:19.19 | jpinx | Diopter: ok ;) I give in :) |
| 04:19.20 | Diopter | jpinx: I.e., you can -phaxPHAX to backup an entire system, by specifying / /boot /home for sources (assuming all three are unique partitions) |
| 04:19.24 | Diopter | :D |
| 04:20.22 | jpinx | uses rsync in cygwin on ntfs and vfat a lot - not quite the same thing |
| 04:20.32 | Diopter | But if you're using it to backup, you'll want to add --del so if a file is deleted in the source, it gets removed from the destination |
| 04:20.43 | Diopter | Otherwise rsync is kind of cumulative. |
| 04:20.58 | Tynach | I'd think if you want to do a backup, you'd be using LVM and snapshots. |
| 04:21.15 | jpinx | rsync is superb for arhiving and backups |
| 04:21.36 | Tynach | Which is what I have set up for, except... I'm wiping my system clean for a fresh install. So I have to have a more 'solid' backup. |
| 04:21.39 | Diopter | Tynach: Depends on how you want to take it, but you can combine the two. snapshot + rsync off the snapshot off the machine |
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| 04:22.05 | Tynach | Diopter: yeah, especially with the way rsync can sync to a remote server. Awesome :) |
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| 04:22.18 | Diopter | rsync is the fastest network delta copying algorithm/implementation. The original author wrote his Ph.D. thesis on it. |
| 04:22.26 | Diopter | Hard to find a cooler tool, hehe |
| 04:22.43 | Tynach | Yeah, this is pretty epic. Wish I'd learned about this earlier. |
| 04:23.30 | jpinx | notes the "phax" for future use ;) |
| 04:23.39 | Tynach | Ah, it does give an ETA, but per file; not an ETA for the entire transaction. Is there a command line parameter for that? |
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| 04:24.00 | Tynach | Sorry, not really a transaction. The entire... Transfer. |
| 04:24.22 | Tynach | knows enough about databases to know it's not a 'transaction'. |
| 04:24.30 | Diopter | Tynach: The problem is that rsync doesn't know ahead of time how many of the total files will need to be transferred |
| 04:24.39 | Apeiron` | Oh, I see why it breaks. I'll have to edit the deb >_> breaks libasound2-plugins != 1.0.25, which it technically does because the amd64 install is 1.0.25+b1 .. erg |
| 04:24.42 | Diopter | Before it actually does checksums on them and compares source to dest |
| 04:25.05 | Diopter | Tynach: Thus it will only keep track of about ~1000 at a time, in a sliding window |
| 04:25.29 | Tynach | Diopter: I see. I suppose that makes sense. |
| 04:25.34 | Diopter | I think you can specify the size of the window... so if you set it really high... or, I think you can tell it to precalc the checksums |
| 04:25.53 | Diopter | Which might do what you want, at the cost of waiting before copying starts |
| 04:25.55 | Diopter | Not sure! |
| 04:26.19 | Tynach | Either way, I appreciate the speed here! And I at least have enough information to know it's not freezing up and stalling on weird files. |
| 04:26.46 | Diopter | Indeed. |
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| 04:27.16 | jpinx | rsync will copy over garbage- I've tried ;) |
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| 04:28.13 | Tynach | Linux: There's a tool for that. |
| 04:28.50 | Tynach | Windows: There's probably a GUI for that. |
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| 04:36.58 | Tynach | What's considered a good data transfer speed for hard drive to hard drive transfers? |
| 04:38.42 | nsadmin | trad unix: there's likely a language that encompasses that and all problems like that... and if there's not... as if there aren't enough... write another language! |
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| 04:39.12 | nsadmin | it's never hard drive to hard drive |
| 04:39.32 | nsadmin | it's hard drive to controller to ram to controller to hard drive |
| 04:39.41 | nsadmin | at -best- |
| 04:40.23 | Tynach | Well, what's considered a good transfer speed for that? :P |
| 04:40.40 | Diopter | Tynach: Depends on the drives. Almost entirely :P |
| 04:40.43 | nsadmin | that depends on a hell of a lot of factors |
| 04:40.46 | Diopter | What are you seeing? |
| 04:41.28 | Tynach | Once it slows down again I'll say. Before I had seen a number as it slowed down, but didn't write it down. |
| 04:41.45 | Diopter | If they're both rotating storage, with controller(s) that can support their interface speeds, you'd be lucky to see much more than 120MB/s at best. |
| 04:41.49 | Tynach | By slow down, I mean in the neverending rush of files down the screen. So once it gets to a large file. |
| 04:41.50 | Diopter | More likely 70-100 |
| 04:42.13 | Tynach | I'm seeing 30 - 60. |
| 04:42.17 | Diopter | If they're SATA III SSDs with good onboard controllers, you could see 590MB/s |
| 04:42.18 | Tynach | Some up to 70. |
| 04:42.37 | Diopter | Probably about right if they're not brand new 7.2k RPM |
| 04:42.53 | Tynach | Well, the larger of the drives in the LVM setup is IDE. The other drives; the destination and 100 GB worth of the source, are on SATA. |
| 04:43.19 | Diopter | Doh |
| 04:43.23 | nsadmin | and if you -really- want to get nitpicky... I knew you would... it's actually spinning disk > head > head electronics > drive electronics > contr. > ram (and back) |
| 04:43.43 | Diopter | IDE will tap out at 60ish on a good day |
| 04:43.58 | nsadmin | with pata? |
| 04:44.32 | Tynach | Well, it's a 200 GB drive (the IDE one). I don't know enough about hardware to know what PATA is compared to IDE. |
| 04:44.38 | Tynach | But I know the two terms are related. |
| 04:44.44 | nsadmin | would sata make any difference there? |
| 04:45.00 | nsadmin | pata is the old, ide 40-pin |
| 04:45.06 | nsadmin | means parallel ata |
| 04:45.19 | Tynach | Ok. |
| 04:46.06 | nsadmin | the new guy is sata, which believe it or not is a faster -transfer- and not necessarily faster drive |
| 04:46.28 | Tynach | All I know is that my mobo only has one controller for it, so I can only have 2 IDE devices working at any particular time. Right now that'd be my DVD drive, and my 200 GB drive. |
| 04:46.35 | Tynach | I knew that SATA was the new version. |
| 04:46.44 | Tynach | But I just don't know the difference between IDE and PATA. |
| 04:46.57 | nsadmin | Tynach, can you get more controllers? |
| 04:47.08 | nsadmin | they should be pretty cheap |
| 04:47.42 | Tynach | nsadmin: I think all my PCI slots are taken. However, I have an IDE to SATA converter (both ways, too), which I use to hook up an additional 160 GB drive that has some old files on it from Windows XP. |
| 04:47.43 | nevyn | PATA is a term to differentiate from SATA ( |
| 04:47.55 | nsadmin | ide just refers to the electronics on the drive that are (logically) pretty far away from the heads, and analog magnetics, and that stuff |
| 04:48.00 | nevyn | PATA == Parallel ATA == 40/80 pin IDE cabling |
| 04:48.27 | nevyn | SATA == Serial ATA == thin Serial ATA cabling |
| 04:48.28 | Tynach | So PATA is the connector, and IDE is the controlling/logic/chipsets? |
| 04:48.36 | nsadmin | ide literally is "Integrated Drive Electronics" |
| 04:48.57 | Tynach | Ah. |
| 04:48.58 | nevyn | it refers to drives with the controller logic on the drive. |
| 04:49.08 | Tynach | I see. |
| 04:49.13 | elvis4526 | When you use lvm for your partitions, do you need to have a seperate boot partition on a normal partition? What is better? |
| 04:49.17 | Tynach | Then yeah, I've got a PATA drive and 2 SATA drives. |
| 04:49.17 | nevyn | this is all modern drives. |
| 04:49.25 | elvis4526 | Do you have an initrd with the lvm2 module inside? |
| 04:49.36 | nsadmin | yeah, pata and sata differentiates between whether the cable is serial or parallel |
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| 04:49.40 | Tynach | elvis4526: yes, you need a separate /boot partition if you use LVM for the root partition (/). |
| 04:49.53 | elvis4526 | Tynach: Grub2 can't boot straight from lvm2? |
| 04:49.55 | nevyn | Tynach: new versions of grub understand lvm |
| 04:49.58 | elvis4526 | What a shame! |
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| 04:50.04 | nsadmin | elvis4526, if you regenerate yours, you will |
| 04:50.04 | nevyn | so you don't need it. |
| 04:50.07 | Diopter | elvis4526: grub2 can do it I believe, actually. |
| 04:50.18 | elvis4526 | Nice okay. |
| 04:50.22 | nevyn | elvis4526: grub2 can boot lvm directly |
| 04:50.27 | Tynach | nevyn: are you sure? I've tried with Grub2 and Ubuntu and Debian both complain and tell me I need a /boot partition. |
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| 04:50.56 | nevyn | not sure no.. I should get of my ass and install this 320gig drive as a replacement for my 120gig |
| 04:51.31 | elvis4526 | And maybe you will be able to explain me something, I went with lvm to be able to resize (grow and reduce) my lv and vg. But it is kinda a gay that ext4 don't do resize online |
| 04:51.32 | Tynach | elvis4526: I would make a separate /boot partition just to be safe. I keep mine at 100 MB, which just means I occasionally have to remove old kernel versions with apt. |
| 04:51.33 | elvis4526 | am-i wrong? |
| 04:51.44 | elvis4526 | Tynach: okay thanks for the answer |
| 04:52.10 | Tynach | elvis4526: I think ext4 technically allows for online growth, but not shrinking. However, I could not get this to work (though wikipedia says it's technically possible). |
| 04:52.11 | Diopter | I actually have a separate /boot outside of my LVM as well. |
| 04:52.31 | Diopter | Tynach: It does indeed. But you need to do an fsck first, which it will complain if you're trying to do it online. |
| 04:52.36 | elvis4526 | Tynach: Then, online resizing with lvm is totally usuless when you use ext4... -_- |
| 04:52.38 | Diopter | So kind of a cache 22. |
| 04:52.47 | Diopter | s/cache/catch/ |
| 04:53.20 | Tynach | elvis4526: yeah, which is why I can't wait for Btrfs to be better accepted. Btrfs will have online resizing, and it will have a lot of the features LVM has built in (not all, but many - and optimized as it's on the filesystem level). |
| 04:53.26 | Diopter | You might be able to force the resize2fs |
| 04:53.35 | Diopter | Ah, yes, you can. |
| 04:53.40 | nevyn | ext4 can be shrunk |
| 04:53.55 | Tynach | nevyn: yes, it can be shrunk (I did so earlier today), but not online (while mounted). |
| 04:54.19 | elvis4526 | Tynach: Yes, I tried btrfs before, this is pretty nice, it support online resizing in both way, but I don't wanna loose any of my data lol |
| 04:54.38 | Diopter | Tynach: When you resize2fs, you need to be sure of the order you do things in. You need to make sure you don't overlap partition and filesystem. |
| 04:54.42 | elvis4526 | On older computer, will be btrfs heavier? |
| 04:54.50 | elvis4526 | Or the fs doesn't matter on a old computer? |
| 04:55.00 | Diopter | Tynach: If you're growing, move the partition first, then resize2fs. If you're shrinking, resize2fs first, then shrink the partition. |
| 04:55.05 | Tynach | elvis4526: yeah, the btrfs fsck program is finally out, but no distro is currently using it/has it in the repos. |
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| 04:55.22 | elvis4526 | Tynach: Is it the thing in the donttouchverydangerous git repo? :3 |
| 04:55.23 | nevyn | Tynach: umm SLES 11sp2 |
| 04:55.26 | nevyn | OEL 6 |
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| 04:55.39 | Tynach | elvis4526: filesystem always matters :p but I'd go with something stable and light. Maybe XFS or Ext2/3. Maayybe ext4. |
| 04:55.57 | Tynach | elvis4526: yes, but the donteveruse git repo was merged to master. |
| 04:56.01 | nevyn | ext3 is the stable choice |
| 04:56.11 | elvis4526 | Tynach: Didn,t know about the merge. :/ |
| 04:56.11 | Diopter | ext4 has so many improvements over ext3 |
| 04:56.17 | Diopter | </3 ext3 with a vengeance |
| 04:56.19 | nevyn | I wouldn't put root on xfs. I'd put data on it. |
| 04:56.32 | Tynach | nevyn: I don't know for sure, but I think XFS has online resizing. This accurate? |
| 04:56.35 | elvis4526 | Tynach: Actually, I never used anything but btrfs and the ext family. What are the advantages of XFS? |
| 04:56.41 | peterrooney | now with even faster data lossage! |
| 04:56.42 | nevyn | Tynach: only grow no shrink |
| 04:56.50 | nevyn | not even offline |
| 04:57.09 | Tynach | nevyn: that sucks. |
| 04:57.18 | Diopter | Tynach: /sbin/btrfsck is in Testing's "btrfs-tools", btw. |
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| 04:57.25 | nevyn | and there's a whole bunch of options that are only tweakable at mkfs |
| 04:57.33 | Tynach | elvis4526: I've only ever used ext3/4, never tried btrfs (waiting for it to be in a distro AND stable at the same time). |
| 04:57.37 | elvis4526 | Isn't btrfsck just for offline filesystem? |
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| 04:57.41 | atari2600a | how do you remove source files downloaded through app w/o doing it manually through root? |
| 04:57.47 | atari2600a | *apt |
| 04:57.54 | atari2600a | *apt-get |
| 04:58.00 | atari2600a | bob saget |
| 04:58.03 | Tynach | elvis4526: offline filesystem means it's not mounted. If a filesystem isn't mounted, you can't use it. |
| 04:58.16 | elvis4526 | Yeah |
| 04:58.25 | elvis4526 | I know, isnt that way the fsck for btrfs works? |
| 04:58.27 | Diopter | XFS is a great filesystem for enterprise usage-patterns, if you really know what you're doing, and you have a battery-backed storage array controller |
| 04:58.41 | elvis4526 | I tought I read this somewhere, on the internet. |
| 04:59.10 | Tynach | elvis4526: no, btrfs (will) let you fsck and resize online. Right now, however, fsck is still offline only. But resizing online works, I think. |
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| 04:59.17 | nevyn | Diopter: right |
| 04:59.23 | Tynach | I've not had any experience with Btrfs, I just tell you what I've read on forums. |
| 04:59.34 | nevyn | Diopter: the videos of the disk access patterns from XFS are just awesome.. |
| 04:59.38 | Tynach | Which may be so horribly inaccurate as to make your computer forcibly troll you. |
| 05:00.02 | Diopter | nevyn: I have not seen these, but I think I have heard of them! Got a linkz0r handy or shall I google it up |
| 05:00.03 | elvis4526 | Yep, resizing works, I already tried it, but I never had problem on my test partition with loosing data or corrupted files, so I never tried it... |
| 05:00.25 | Diopter | Tynach: I prefer it when tools I misuse insult me. |
| 05:00.45 | Tynach | Diopter: you one of those Crazybump people? Crazybump called all it's users "Puny humans". |
| 05:00.53 | Diopter | It inspires man-machine bonding. Sweaty '70s movie mode. |
| 05:02.25 | nevyn | Diopter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw&feature=player_embedded |
| 05:02.30 | Tynach | I just watched rsync copy over the entire contents of Windows 3.1. |
| 05:02.34 | Tynach | I forgot I had that. |
| 05:02.42 | Diopter | haha |
| 05:02.58 | Diopter | nevyn: Sweet. <3 conferences |
| 05:03.14 | Diopter | And it's a RH dev. Even better. Those guys employ all the hardcore voodoo nerds. |
| 05:03.17 | Tynach | Oh great. It's reached my music folder. |
| 05:03.22 | peterrooney | Tynach: getting rsync to work with NTFS (on WIndows machines) will make you doubt your sanity. |
| 05:03.52 | Diopter | peterrooney: rsync.exe is a beautiful tool to be admired. Or feared. One of those two, I forget |
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| 05:04.19 | Tynach | peterrooney: I don't know if it's true, but I heard that some people got Windows to run on top of NTFS that was held inside of a ZFS partition that was being used for just it's LVM services. So they got some of the features of ZFS in Windows. |
| 05:04.36 | Tynach | Diopter: Probably both. |
| 05:04.39 | nevyn | Tynach: the problem is dynamic disks are woeful |
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| 05:06.25 | Tynach | nevyn: but it can't be! Microsoft has TONS of employees working on it, and they're being PAID! It's IMPOSSIBLE for Microsoft to make something that doesn't work well! |
| 05:06.40 | Tynach | looks over at IE 6. |
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| 05:07.09 | peterrooney | Diopter: Junction points: Are they symlinks? Hardlinks? Aliases? Shortcuts? Funhouse Mirrors? |
| 05:07.29 | mongo | solaris, as a dfs node will expose snapshots through windows |
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| 05:07.47 | mongo | right click and you can restore as if it was a vss snap |
| 05:08.05 | Diopter | peterrooney: Got it in 5! |
| 05:08.38 | Diopter | peterrooney: HFS+ resource forks are another fun thing |
| 05:09.28 | mongo | HFS should have died more than a decade ago |
| 05:09.35 | peterrooney | Diopter: I... I need a hug. |
| 05:09.41 | nevyn | Diopter: actually the animations are at timestamp 34:30 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxWuaozpe2I&feature=relmfu |
| 05:09.59 | peterrooney | mongo: It WAS deprecated a decade ago |
| 05:10.18 | mongo | peterrooney: ya but then apple didn't want to maintain their own zfs :) |
| 05:10.48 | mongo | peterrooney: a decade ago I maintained the largest appletalk server in the world :( |
| 05:10.51 | mongo | well 12 years ago |
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| 05:11.51 | elvis4526 | Does someone have a link that speak about what advantages have xfs? |
| 05:11.51 | mongo | an sgi cluster running cxfs and KDShare |
| 05:12.12 | mongo | elvis4526: it's nice to have fonts ;0 |
| 05:12.24 | elvis4526 | mongo: What you mean? :/ |
| 05:12.38 | elvis4526 | I'm not an native english speaker, maybe I'm not clear. |
| 05:12.45 | mongo | heh xfs is also X11 font server |
| 05:13.00 | Diopter | elvis4526: If you're putting it on a laptop, you're probably doing it wrong. If you're going to setup a shared storage array or object storage cluster... you probably wouldn't be asking for a list of "pros" :P |
| 05:13.15 | elvis4526 | Why it shouldn't be on a laptop? |
| 05:13.23 | Tynach | elvis4526: from what I know, XFS is good for data warehousing and large servers. |
| 05:13.35 | elvis4526 | Why it wouldn't be good with little data? |
| 05:13.53 | Tynach | But for everything else, Ext4 and Btrfs are better. In fact, Btrfs will be better than XFS at data warehousing too, when it's fully ready. |
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| 05:14.04 | mongo | xfs was rad in the 90's |
| 05:14.21 | Tynach | HEY WHY DON'T WE ALL GO WITH REISERFS?!?!?!?! |
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| 05:14.29 | mongo | Tynach: nina |
| 05:14.30 | Tynach | starts feeding babies to his filesystem. |
| 05:14.30 | nevyn | it's a killer filesystem ? |
| 05:14.31 | Diopter | elvis4526: XFS is designed around the idea that you're going to have lots of disks, cores and IOps |
| 05:14.48 | nevyn | Diopter: but not as many as ext4 ;) |
| 05:14.50 | Diopter | elvis4526: If you don't, it's actually pretty weak compared to ext4 |
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| 05:15.04 | nevyn | Diopter: go watch chris's talk. |
| 05:15.09 | Diopter | nevyn: Am doing so! |
| 05:15.12 | mongo | actually cores maxed out at 2 when xfs was designed :) |
| 05:15.21 | mongo | and they had their own sockets |
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| 05:15.46 | elvis4526 | Will btrfs be a good idea for little data then? |
| 05:15.53 | mongo | I don't think linux xfs has io rate coolness |
| 05:16.00 | nevyn | ? |
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| 05:16.37 | Tynach | elvis4526: not for a laptop, not yet. Especially with Debian/Ubuntu, there's a nasty 'feature' (bug? But it's on purpose!) that makes apt-get upgrade EXTREMELY slow under btrfs. |
| 05:16.53 | Tynach | It has something to do with calling fsync (or something like that) on every operation. |
| 05:16.56 | mongo | guaranteed io rates was great when you had tiny and slow disks |
| 05:16.58 | elvis4526 | Okay, but when it will be production ready? |
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| 05:17.29 | elvis4526 | PS: The question here wasn't when it will be production ready, but what about btrfs on a laptop when it will be production ready. |
| 05:17.30 | nevyn | there's lots of applications that work around bugs in ext3/4 by calling fsync too much |
| 05:17.53 | Tynach | elvis4526: I'm going to bet that it will be production ready when some linux distro has it as the default FS. Fedora will probably have it default in version 18, Ubuntu probably in 12.10 or 13.04. |
| 05:18.04 | dizzylizzy | can anyone comment on debian's support for bluray play / dvd burn+play / cd burn+play optical drives? I don't want to use it for the blu ray I just want to be able to read/write cd/dvds, and wondered whether the bluray drives messed with anything |
| 05:18.07 | mongo | I use aptitude but its' fine \ |
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| 05:18.31 | elvis4526 | Ubuntu was never the best project that i refer too if I want some production ready things. :3 |
| 05:18.37 | elvis4526 | but ok, I got it, thanks. |
| 05:18.47 | mongo | I wish btrfs had volume support vs its' odd bind mount thing |
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| 05:19.03 | elvis4526 | What about a lvm volume on btrfs. |
| 05:19.09 | elvis4526 | It combine the best of two |
| 05:19.12 | elvis4526 | Or it is totally useless? |
| 05:19.16 | mongo | dizzylizzy: blue ray is a huge pile of DRM mess even on hardware players |
| 05:19.17 | Tynach | mongo: I thought it did have volume support. Granted they all borrow space from the pool. |
| 05:19.28 | mongo | elvis4526: no reason for lvm with btrfs |
| 05:19.37 | mongo | Tynach: no it's more like a bind mount |
| 05:19.54 | mongo | Tynach: the "files" are still in the parent tree |
| 05:20.19 | elvis4526 | okay |
| 05:20.37 | Tynach | elvis4526: a lot of people are going to be doing that; LVM + Btrfs. But these will be fringe cases. mongo: I guess. I don't kow what bind mount is. |
| 05:20.40 | mongo | /dev/sdc2 on /export type btrfs (rw,relatime,compress=lzo) |
| 05:20.41 | mongo | /dev/sdc2 on /var/lib/libvirt/images/VMs type btrfs (rw,relatime,nodatacow,subvol=VMs) |
| 05:21.04 | mongo | e.g. g in that one /VMs is under /export |
| 05:21.39 | mongo | Tynach: if you did a bind mount of /home in /var/foo/bar the files would be in both places |
| 05:21.54 | mongo | it looks like a sym link really |
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| 05:21.59 | Tynach | I just know that in all the btrfs documentation, they consider btrfs volumes to be almost equivalent to having separate filesystems within your filesystem. |
| 05:22.13 | elvis4526 | Yes this is very nice |
| 05:22.24 | mongo | Tynach: not really, you can cd into them on the parent volume |
| 05:22.31 | mongo | it may work if you never mount the btrfs root |
| 05:22.36 | mongo | but it is not like zfs volumes |
| 05:22.38 | elvis4526 | you just have to mount with subvolid=0 |
| 05:22.53 | Tynach | And snapshots are also considered volumes, but if you modify a file in a snapshot, it doesn't modify the original one. Which is freaky but kinda cool. |
| 05:23.08 | elvis4526 | Yes this is very nice |
| 05:23.08 | mongo | its' just copy on write |
| 05:23.23 | Tynach | Indeed. |
| 05:23.27 | elvis4526 | Finally there is a usuable backup and resotre thing |
| 05:23.31 | elvis4526 | on GNU/Linux. |
| 05:23.40 | mongo | I would love zfs with the arc |
| 05:23.53 | mongo | IMHO it is nicer but encumbered |
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| 05:24.05 | Tynach | Yeah, Oracle should change the license for ZFS so that Linux can use it more... Legally. |
| 05:24.15 | elvis4526 | what is the license of zfs? |
| 05:24.20 | mongo | being Oracle that will not happen |
| 05:24.23 | mongo | cddf? |
| 05:24.46 | mongo | err CDDL |
| 05:24.54 | Diopter | I think it's cddl, yeah |
| 05:25.18 | elvis4526 | Why FreeBSD comes with zfs then? |
| 05:25.27 | elvis4526 | It is still opensource software |
| 05:25.27 | mongo | it is bsd compatible, not gpl |
| 05:25.34 | Tynach | Bit off topic (aren't we already?) but what do you guys think of the EPL as a license? |
| 05:25.54 | Diopter | Don't know of it. At least don't recognize the acronym |
| 05:26.02 | Tynach | Eclipse Public License. |
| 05:26.09 | elvis4526 | Better then GPL IMO |
| 05:26.24 | elvis4526 | It's kinda like BSD license, isn't? |
| 05:27.04 | Tynach | Not really. Modifications still have to be released as EPL (BSD I think lets you release modifications under any license), but you can combine it with closed source software if you want. |
| 05:27.05 | mongo | I prefer mit, thats what I relase everything not enumbered |
| 05:27.18 | mongo | encumbered |
| 05:27.31 | Diopter | Tynach: It's weaker copyleft than GPL, but is apparently listed as a free software license by the FSF. |
| 05:27.54 | mongo | rms telling people to licence libs as GPL annoys me |
| 05:28.02 | Diopter | Apparently incompatible with it directly, however, due to specific restrictions. |
| 05:28.10 | mongo | that means that no embeded people will use them, contribute back |
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| 05:28.27 | Tynach | I've been working on a website, and I want to make the code available as open source. However, while I want people to incorporate the site (or parts of it) in possibly proprietary websites; but if they change MY website code (except in minor ways to make it work with theirs) I want them to release it to the public. |
| 05:28.42 | tensorpudding | what the hell |
| 05:28.57 | tensorpudding | this package that i know has had bugs filed against it has no bugs that appear on b.d.o |
| 05:29.07 | tensorpudding | when i search the bug by number, it doesn't appear |
| 05:29.20 | mongo | Tynach: that is the GPL really |
| 05:29.31 | Diopter | mongo: RMS actually suggests that LGPL is perfectly reasonable for libraries in many cases. |
| 05:29.38 | Diopter | mongo: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html <- discusses it |
| 05:29.39 | mongo | Diopter: not lately |
| 05:29.40 | tensorpudding | hmm, but the link still works? |
| 05:29.53 | Tynach | mongo: no, the GPL explicitely does not permit the linking of GPL code with code that is not compatible with the GPL. |
| 05:30.08 | mongo | Diopter: it sucks, several gpl arm projects iv'e had to avoid |
| 05:30.34 | mongo | Tynach: oh, if you are basing it on gpl, stick with gpl and deal |
| 05:30.41 | Diopter | mongo: I'm confused. In what way does GPL prevent you from contributing back? |
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| 05:30.56 | mongo | Diopter: it makes it unusable in a static linked way |
| 05:31.08 | nevyn | for proprietary code. yes. |
| 05:31.12 | nevyn | that's the intent |
| 05:31.12 | Diopter | mongo: What makes what "unusable"? |
| 05:31.13 | Tynach | mongo: Well, I'm writing all my code from scratch; so I get to choose the license. I'm thinking EPL, but I was curious what you guys thought of it. |
| 05:31.30 | mongo | Diopter: you are legally required to release any code you staticly link to gpl code |
| 05:31.33 | Diopter | Tynach: I'd say start with the GPL, and modify from there if you must. |
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| 05:31.52 | Diopter | mongo: Yes. That's on purpose, and exactly the point of the tool of CopyLeft. |
| 05:32.05 | mongo | Diopter: yes but it means you have to avoid it if you have a product |
| 05:32.15 | mongo | vs if it was LGPL you could push improvements back |
| 05:32.16 | Diopter | Not true. Only if you encumber your products :) |
| 05:32.25 | mongo | Diopter: no if you use it at all |
| 05:32.26 | Diopter | I work for a company who sells a product/service that's entirely open source |
| 05:32.33 | Tynach | mongo: why? Why can't you have a product that uses open source code? |
| 05:32.34 | mongo | e.g. the free stm32 libs |
| 05:32.37 | Diopter | FOSS, that is. |
| 05:32.49 | mongo | Tynach: legally you have to relase ALL code in the project |
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| 05:32.56 | mongo | if you staticly link to it |
| 05:33.14 | Tynach | mongo: yes, that's the point. So why not? Is there a reason you don't want people to go through your code? |
| 05:33.23 | mongo | Tynach: yes |
| 05:33.27 | Tynach | And that is..? |
| 05:33.35 | Diopter | Tynach: mongo is implying that releasing code is to your competitive disadvantage. |
| 05:33.48 | nevyn | which it might be. |
| 05:33.48 | mongo | Tynach: the BATF disallows it |
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| 05:33.56 | Tynach | I think RedHat disagrees. |
| 05:34.01 | nevyn | VC's tend not to like it tho still |
| 05:34.05 | mongo | Tynach: diff workd |
| 05:34.11 | Diopter | nevyn: Agreed, it might be. But that depends on the industry/business models you're competing against and with |
| 05:34.13 | mongo | Tynach: err world |
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| 05:34.50 | Diopter | However, RMS' goal with the GNU project and by proxy GPL was, specifically, to change the business models and industries involved in software creation |
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| 05:34.55 | Tynach | Well, I think mongo talked about embedded devices. I don't see how releasing the source code for your embedded device will give competitors an advantage. |
| 05:34.57 | mongo | heh the squeeze torrents are giving me a ton of lag |
| 05:34.57 | Diopter | Specifically as an ethical crusade. |
| 05:35.05 | mongo | Diopter: MIT is more free IMHO |
| 05:35.17 | mongo | Diopter: I think the contributions of IBM, intel etc.. are great |
| 05:35.20 | Diopter | If you disagree, that's cool. But the goal of GPL is fairly clear. |
| 05:35.25 | mongo | GPL is fine if you can do elf |
| 05:35.35 | mongo | GPL sucks if you need to staticly link |
| 05:35.37 | Diopter | mongo: Depends on your definition of "free". |
| 05:35.44 | Diopter | mongo: Which is, of course, the whole point :P |
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| 05:36.22 | acu | what is the equivalent of debian wheezy with regard to ubuntu ? |
| 05:36.30 | mongo | Diopter: if Oracle had to relase the source code to oracle to run it on linux how far to you think it would have made it |
| 05:36.35 | mongo | acu: 12.04 |
| 05:36.37 | Diopter | acu: Precise, 12.04. LTS releases are pulled from testing. |
| 05:36.56 | Tynach | mongo: probably quite far. Look at MySQL. It released it's source code, and look at how far it's made it. |
| 05:37.08 | mongo | Diopter: I find mit/bsd more free |
| 05:37.10 | Diopter | mongo: Depends on how they presented the software and developed their business model around something Other than withholding the code. |
| 05:37.17 | Diopter | mongo: Again, that depends on your definition of "free" |
| 05:37.28 | nevyn | Diopter: not sid? |
| 05:37.33 | acu | thanks mongo and Diopter |
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| 05:37.44 | Diopter | nevyn: Nope, non-LTS is sid/unstable. LTS is testing. |
| 05:37.51 | nevyn | ah. |
| 05:37.57 | Diopter | nevyn: They try to get LTS more stable, so... :P |
| 05:37.57 | Tynach | Oh hey, my copying finished :D |
| 05:38.04 | Tynach | rsync worked beautifully. Thanks Diopter. |
| 05:38.15 | mongo | Diopter: yes, I dont' find forced release of my application "free" |
| 05:38.26 | Diopter | mongo: If you define a license's freedom as how many things it requires or dictates, and you add them up between MIT and GPL, then sure, MIT is more free. |
| 05:38.45 | Tynach | mongo: that's because GPL is about USER freedoms, not DEVELOPER freedoms. If you want developer freedoms, don't choose GPL. |
| 05:38.47 | mongo | Diopter: i'm talking of libs, they should not be GPL, |
| 05:38.50 | Diopter | mongo: If, however, you define freedom in terms of liberty -- the principle of ensuring freedom -- then GPL is more free. |
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| 05:39.15 | Diopter | mongo: Because MIT doesn't use the law to ensure freedoms are retained over time. |
| 05:39.15 | mongo | Diopter: I disagree, as a user you are still required to release the source with gpl libs |
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| 05:39.36 | mongo | Diopter: you are exposed to legal action if you make a widget at home with a GPL lib and don't release the source |
| 05:39.44 | Diopter | mongo: Yep. |
| 05:39.45 | mongo | linked staticly |
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| 05:40.06 | mongo | kernels what ever gpl is fine, libs you are being an oracle |
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| 05:40.21 | mongo | especially libs designed for embedded |
| 05:40.30 | mongo | where you can't dynamicly link |
| 05:40.34 | Diopter | mongo: Because GPL is attempting to ensure the freedoms that you had in creating the widget are retained by anyone whom you provide the compiled widget to. |
| 05:40.49 | Diopter | mongo: So again, to beat the dead horse moar, it depends on how you define freedom in a license. |
| 05:40.58 | Tynach | mongo: I think the problem between you two is that of translation error. You think that free means you can do what you want with it. You have the freedom to do as you please. Diopter thinks it means free as in it STAYS free, and it actively fights for it's own freedom. In this sense, GPL is very free; it fights for it's own freedom, but not the freedom of you, the individual. |
| 05:40.59 | Diopter | welcome to the 30-year old discussion on licensing :P |
| 05:41.00 | mongo | Diopter: no, GPL in lips is ensuring they can force you to have no secrets |
| 05:41.04 | mongo | err ljbis |
| 05:41.13 | nevyn | heh |
| 05:41.22 | nevyn | libraries? |
| 05:41.27 | mongo | Diopter: i've been a unix admin linger than 30 years :) |
| 05:41.27 | Diopter | Tynach: Actually, I'm willing to discuss both sides. I write GPL and Apache and MIT and BSD code for a living. |
| 05:41.32 | dizzylizzy | mongo: what if I don't even ever use it for bluray... the hardware is still riddled with drm for non-bluray use? |
| 05:41.33 | nevyn | mongo: you're free to just not use them. |
| 05:41.36 | dizzylizzy | is that affected? |
| 05:41.52 | mongo | nevyn: yes the point is that they don't get impovements back either |
| 05:42.07 | Tynach | Diopter: then you're like me. I'll be able to argue for either side, just to defend that side against unjust accusations. Am I right? |
| 05:42.10 | nevyn | mongo: you can't improve them or use them so there are no improvements. |
| 05:42.16 | mongo | dizzylizzy: if you dont' use it for BR movies you are OK |
| 05:42.20 | Tynach | Or at the very least to allow that side a chance of being understood. |
| 05:42.29 | mongo | nevyn: yes...which hurts the community as a whole |
| 05:42.32 | Diopter | Tynach: Sure. I'm interested in being accurate and deealing with the facts of an issue :) |
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| 05:43.00 | mongo | nevyn: the only reason to use GPL vs LGPL in that case is to force everyone to release any code that uses your lib |
| 05:43.05 | mongo | not freedom |
| 05:43.10 | wilfredor | Hi, How I could to have USB support in wine_ |
| 05:43.11 | wilfredor | ? |
| 05:43.55 | Tynach | wilfredor: can you be more specific? As far as I know, Wine has nothing to do with USB; if USB works in your host OS (Debian, Ubuntu, *BSD), it works in Wine. |
| 05:44.16 | nevyn | Tynach: usb passthrough |
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| 05:46.27 | wilfredor | Tynach: My usb 2.0 is not reading in wine |
| 05:46.27 | Tynach | wilfredor would probably be best going to a Wine channel then, nevyn. |
| 05:47.50 | wilfredor | I have a Geniys Analog TVGo |
| 05:48.07 | wilfredor | *Genius |
| 05:49.20 | Tynach | I have no idea. Maybe ask on the Wine channel (don't know what it is; and I'm not in x-chat, or I could find out). |
| 05:50.04 | wilfredor | mm ok |
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| 06:42.16 | dizzylizzy | so I may have the opportunity of getting a pretty much new computer for pretty much free tomorrow |
| 06:42.36 | dizzylizzy | anything specific I should consider to optimize compatibility with debian/free-software? :P |
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| 06:48.05 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: hcl |
| 06:48.07 | peterrooney | !hcl |
| 06:48.07 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 06:51.15 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: but yeah, network cards are the most common "gotcha" (if you're going to have one) |
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| 07:11.23 | wilfredor | hi, My usb tv tunner is not working, I have a tvgo genius usb |
| 07:11.47 | wilfredor | I finded that but i cant understand http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/media/rc/keymaps/rc-genius-tvgo-a11mce.c |
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| 08:07.00 | yang_ | What is the thing with http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium.html ... It says removed in 2009 and it doesnt contain anymore updates ? But the package is still available in the pool |
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| 08:08.34 | atari2600a | AMBIEN NAZI |
| 08:08.36 | atari2600a | TO SAVE THE DAY |
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| 08:09.10 | atari2600a | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.23 | atari2600a | |_|_ |
| 08:09.36 | atari2600a | _| | |
| 08:09.43 | valdyn | !judd: versions chromium |
| 08:09.46 | valdyn | judd: versions chromium |
| 08:09.47 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 18.0.1025.168~r134367-1 |
| 08:09.53 | atari2600a | anyone with a fixed-width font let me ktow if that worked |
| 08:10.21 | valdyn | yang_: that is a new package |
| 08:10.21 | valdyn | yang_: the "old" chromium that was removed is a game, not a browser |
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| 08:12.02 | yang_ | valdyn: but, what is the new package name on bugtracker ? |
| 08:12.34 | valdyn | yang_: name for what? |
| 08:12.45 | yang_ | name for it on packages.qa.debian.org |
| 08:12.46 | valdyn | yang_: the browser is now "chromium" |
| 08:12.59 | valdyn | yang_: thats not the bugtracker |
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| 08:13.13 | daniele | ciao |
| 08:13.19 | yang_ | well that thing then |
| 08:13.22 | valdyn | yang_: "chromium-browser" |
| 08:13.25 | yang_ | ok |
| 08:13.26 | daniele | !list |
| 08:13.26 | dpkg | daniele: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 08:13.46 | valdyn | yang_: qa goes by source names i think |
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| 08:15.01 | atari2600a | this is debian... |
| 08:15.09 | atari2600a | fucking ambien |
| 08:15.13 | atari2600a | sorry abou tthat |
| 08:15.17 | superdmp | what will happen if I use debootstrap to install onto a filesystem that *already* has an installation on it? |
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| 08:15.43 | valdyn | superdmp: debootstrap only creates a directory with files in it |
| 08:15.52 | valdyn | superdmp: so thats what will get created |
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| 08:16.54 | chu | Hey guys. Slight issue with my sound card. If I have headphones plugged in, the sound works fine. But without headphones, I get nothing. More of a nuisance than a problem, but still. Umm, if anyone's got some spare time to assist, what more should I provide? |
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| 08:17.34 | superdmp | I understand that debootstrap installs into a partition/directory/whatever - usually it starts from scratch, but what if there is stuff there already? |
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| 08:20.49 | becker_11 | I've checked the debian virtualbox page but while there is a package for wheezy they don't list a repository for it heres the page http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 08:20.57 | hell_razer | i can not find what/who changing /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, are thera any log? |
| 08:21.00 | becker_11 | can anyone help? |
| 08:22.45 | craigevil | ,versons virtualbox-ose |
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| 08:22.54 | vahid | hi all |
| 08:23.07 | vahid | i install openfire in squeeze debian |
| 08:23.08 | craigevil | ,versions virtualbox |
| 08:23.09 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.12-dfsg-2; sid: 4.1.14-dfsg-1 |
| 08:23.11 | hamid | vahid: khosh oomadi :P |
| 08:23.17 | vahid | salam |
| 08:23.23 | vahid | hamid: mersi |
| 08:24.28 | becker_11 | craigevil: okay that gives me the package number which I already knew what I need is the repo ? |
| 08:24.52 | craigevil | the normal repos, the same as any other debian package |
| 08:25.35 | becker_11 | cool |
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| 08:27.00 | craigevil | if you want the non-ose version Oracle has a repo |
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| 08:28.37 | vahid | when run "ps aux" openfire not work but in the /var/run/openfire openfire work |
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| 08:33.27 | craigevil | vahid, did you follow the steps to set it up properly? |
| 08:33.32 | craigevil | take a look at https://www.classhelper.org/articles/debian-openfire-chat-server/openfire-server-install-p1.shtml |
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| 08:38.58 | vahid | craigevil: yes openfire works fine when working with it process kill and not start |
| 08:39.32 | vahid | i not use postgresql |
| 08:40.32 | vahid | craigevil: i use embedded sql |
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| 08:41.58 | vahid | craigevil: when restart server its workms |
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| 09:44.33 | nopf | hi. dunno where to ask. i open some application menu via 'alt-i'. when mouse has been in that menus area, some unwanted submenu may pop up, so my next key 'h' is badly interpreted. this *does not* happen in ubuntu iirc. somebody tell me how does ubuntu do that, so that i get sane behaviour on debian? or is this only my special tweaked debian version, running gnome3 btw? |
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| 10:25.22 | dabreaka` | hey.. why is there no "lenny" directory here - http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ ? |
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| 10:25.36 | c-101 | Hello there |
| 10:25.37 | dabreaka` | i'm trying to do an `apt-get update` and am getting some 404 errors |
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| 10:25.56 | Black_Prince | lenny is moved to archive |
| 10:26.02 | Black_Prince | it's life span has ended |
| 10:26.05 | Black_Prince | R.I.P Lenny |
| 10:26.08 | c-101 | Has someone around here a sandy bridge intel adapter and latest mesa (8.0.2 in repositories) and have a working 3D acceleration ? |
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| 10:26.24 | c-101 | i am not sure it is a bug with my setup or on the libraries.... |
| 10:26.26 | c-101 | :/ |
| 10:26.52 | Black_Prince | Sandybridge support is present since Mesa 7.10 and intel driver 2.15.0 ... |
| 10:27.06 | Black_Prince | Post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to the pastebin ... |
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| 10:27.25 | Woet | dabreaka`: lenny has been EOL since the 6th of february, squeeze has been out for over a year |
| 10:27.28 | Woet | please upgrade. |
| 10:27.50 | craigevil | dabreaka`, see the topic > lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 10:27.54 | dabreaka` | okay, i thought it was still supported |
| 10:28.05 | dabreaka` | thanks |
| 10:28.35 | c-101 | Black_Prince, well.... it used to work with 7.11 without problems |
| 10:28.41 | jpinx | do we have a working youtube.flv commandline downloader in squeeze now? |
| 10:29.22 | craigevil | whats wrong with youtube-dl? |
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| 10:30.01 | jpinx | !tell craigevil about youtube-dl |
| 10:30.11 | dizzylizzy | wow I just installed youtube-dl yesterday |
| 10:30.25 | themill | jpinx: and that is relevant how? |
| 10:31.23 | dizzylizzy | !tell dizzylizzy about youtube-dl |
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| 10:31.39 | jpinx | themill: the factoid says not available with squeeze -- " Not part of Squeeze due to Debian bug #608176. " |
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| 10:32.22 | themill | ,v youtube-dl --release squeeze-backports |
| 10:32.24 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1 |
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| 10:34.27 | dizzylizzy | i needs me a panel thingy where it's like a search box except I just paste youtube urls from irc in it and a little thing pops up asking for quality/codec and then boom shaka laka shows up in ~/videos/oh-hai |
| 10:34.49 | Black_Prince | Write it yourself! |
| 10:34.49 | dizzylizzy | examines the code for lxpanel |
| 10:35.03 | dizzylizzy | :D |
| 10:35.15 | Black_Prince | And open source it! |
| 10:35.28 | dizzylizzy | derp |
| 10:35.37 | Black_Prince | And license it under free license! |
| 10:35.45 | Black_Prince | So it could be a part of Debian too. |
| 10:35.46 | dizzylizzy | i'd rather contribute it back up stream |
| 10:35.53 | engla | just to put this out there, vlc can play youtube URLs directly |
| 10:35.54 | Black_Prince | Other than that, I have no idea. |
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| 10:36.43 | Black_Prince | c-101: did you post your Xorg.0.log while I was being kicked by my connection? |
| 10:37.37 | jpinx | themill: could you add the backport option to the youtube-dl factoid please? |
| 10:37.44 | dizzylizzy | in fact I was looking at the lxterminal and pcmanfm code yesterday, and even though I do now know gtk2, it was surprisingly well-organized and easy to read and understand... |
| 10:37.50 | themill | jpinx: already have, actually ;) |
| 10:38.02 | jpinx | :) |
| 10:38.07 | dizzylizzy | jpinx: but then like, people won't go read the bug report!! and learn how awesome it is to read bug reports!!! |
| 10:38.10 | dizzylizzy | jk good idea |
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| 10:39.24 | dizzylizzy | so even though i learned how to do what it is I wanted to do, lxterminal is not set up to even leave its own process |
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| 10:41.03 | Mkaysi | &b 33 |
| 10:41.11 | Mkaysi | Oops, sorry |
| 10:45.26 | dizzylizzy | do any of y'all remember the very first version of debian you downloaded? |
| 10:45.31 | dizzylizzy | i think it was a sarge release candidate for me |
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| 10:47.51 | ectospasm | dizzylizzy: mine was squeeze (or maybe lenny)... I have left a number of Linux distros in my wake, just settling on Debian relatively recently. |
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| 10:48.57 | dizzylizzy | neat! |
| 10:49.00 | dizzylizzy | glad to have a convert :3 |
| 10:49.14 | dizzylizzy | me too really, but debian was my first gnulinux |
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| 10:53.14 | abrotman | is so old |
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| 10:54.11 | shredder12 | hi everyone. I'm trying to create a debian guest image for openstack+kvm. Everything is fine except that it isn't able to detect an attached volume. any suggestions? |
| 10:54.22 | craigevil | is still a newbie only been running Debian since 2004 |
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| 10:54.32 | digdilem | potato was mine. 2.2 |
| 10:54.47 | me-1 | hi...I was installing libre office from backports .I the middle of process there was a power filure ..wht should I do..? |
| 10:55.04 | digdilem | me-1, wait until power is restored then try again? |
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| 10:55.59 | me-1 | digdilem, it is resorted .what about the data which was already downloaded..? |
| 10:56.17 | digdilem | abrotman, also. Never more so than when talking about writing code in the 80s and 90s |
| 10:56.25 | digdilem | with people who nothing more than a gui dev env |
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| 10:57.04 | digdilem | me-1, it may resume, depends on method and viability. Could be as the file was open being written to when the power went, the os has decided it's unsafe and will start over |
| 10:57.18 | engla | what is a gui dev env? snap-together application building? |
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| 10:58.05 | digdilem | anything non textmode, I meant to include window-based and multithreaded dev systems too. Before, if you even had an IDE, you had to swap it to memory or unload it before testing |
| 10:58.21 | engla | hehe ok |
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| 10:58.34 | digdilem | Code *was* simpler then in many ways, mind |
| 10:58.44 | me-1 | digdilem, i dont want to resume . i want to know if it has broken anything |
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| 10:59.04 | digdilem | me-1, just try it over. Unless you hit a specific error, assume all is well. |
| 10:59.26 | me-1 | digdilem, ok thank youfor your time |
| 10:59.33 | digdilem | no worries |
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| 10:59.39 | engla | libreoffice isn't really an important package either.. if it's totally broken, just remove the package and reinstall |
| 10:59.47 | engla | reinstall the package |
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| 11:02.26 | abrotman | digdilem: i'm not that old, but i've been using Debian longer than Potato, I believe Hamm or Slink was my first |
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| 11:03.28 | digdilem | I was quite late to linux, being 8-bit and early PC until a 386 in the early 90's, when Borland Turbo C under DOS gave me a lot of fun learning. |
| 11:04.06 | abrotman | digdilem: I used Turbo C++ in College .. "What do you mean there's no conio.h in unix?!" |
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| 11:04.20 | digdilem | Never done any compiled code under linux. Debian was suggested to me after I was strugglging with Slackware, and I liked it a lot |
| 11:04.25 | digdilem | abramart, :) |
| 11:04.55 | digdilem | I think the Borland IDE is the best. I still use the keymappings from it in Jed |
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| 11:06.50 | Ryccardo | Where do you file bug reports for package *? |
| 11:09.19 | abrotman | you can't for package *, what's the real problem? |
| 11:09.31 | abrotman | digdilem: i think i may still have the floppies around here somewhere |
| 11:10.04 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport libquvi7 |
| 11:10.06 | judd | Backporting package libquvi7 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libquvi-scripts. |
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| 11:11.58 | gnarface | Ryccardo: bugs.debian.org.... but there's a tool called reportbug that's better. i'd recommend installing and using it instead. also its highly recommend you read the bug reporting guidelines for maximum effectiveness (though reportbug generally automates a lot of that) |
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| 11:16.26 | abrotman | gnarface: that won't really help him, he can't file a bug on * |
| 11:16.38 | eurisko | hello everyone i am using debian wheezy, and althought my keyb layout is correctly working on the terminals, the X is assuming en_us , i have tried doing dpkg-reconfigure Xorg as did sometime so i could set it up. i also check and inside &etc&x11&xorg.conf i don-t have any configuration file! If i had i would edit the keyboard part as everything is working fine besides the keyboard. Tks |
| 11:17.24 | abrotman | eurisko: what is your WM/DE ? |
| 11:17.32 | eurisko | i am using gnome3 |
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| 11:17.54 | abrotman | eurisko: did you try to change the keyboard in the user settings? |
| 11:18.15 | eurisko | no, i always forget that stuff sorry let me where is it |
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| 11:18.34 | abrotman | System Settings->Keyboard->Layout Settings |
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| 11:19.57 | eurisko | there it says it is Portuguese |
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| 11:20.31 | eurisko | which the layout i want, i didn-t have idea there was already this kind of windows configurations its nice |
| 11:21.34 | eurisko | i removed it and added it again and it's working now |
| 11:22.04 | eurisko | thank you abrotman! i think this happened because of a updated yesterday. |
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| 11:24.45 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 11:28.17 | me-1 | hi..I have no sound http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=79766&p=435139#p435139 |
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| 11:32.42 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 11:32.43 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 11:34.45 | me-1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.46 | me-1 | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 11:35.27 | eurisko | !libreoffice |
| 11:35.28 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. http://wiki.debian.org/LibreOffice http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:35.45 | eurisko | !debian ooo |
| 11:35.45 | dpkg | <OpenOffice.org> in Debian has been following the fork at http://go-oo.org/ for several years, meaning that OOo in Debian has had a set of LGPLv3 patches that Sun refused to accept on the grounds of their licence. The fork at go-oo.org has joined the <libreoffice> project so while there's a change in name for the openoffice.org packages in Debian, there's little practical difference for users at this stage. |
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| 11:36.08 | ectospasm | me-1: what does 'aplay -l' show? |
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| 11:36.54 | me-1 | ectospasm, it says no soundcard found |
| 11:37.17 | abrotman | eurisko: please msg the bot |
| 11:37.30 | abrotman | me-1: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 11:37.41 | ectospasm | me-1: there's your problem |
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| 11:38.21 | eurisko | my yesterday update, apt couldn't complete libreoffice install i already tried to force but i also couldn't make it install http://pastebin.com/2N99gKj6 |
| 11:38.29 | eurisko | sorry abrotman |
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| 11:39.01 | me-1 | abrotman, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:39.28 | abrotman | eurisko: mkdir -p /var/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/program/ |
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| 11:40.16 | me-1 | ectospasm, any solution as i have sound with puppy linux |
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| 11:41.16 | ectospasm | me-1: I'm struggling with my own sound problems in wheezy, so I feel your pain. |
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| 11:41.43 | ectospasm | Sound for me works before I install gnome, once in gnome it doesn't work. I tried removing pulseaudio, but that didn't work |
| 11:42.15 | eurisko | abrotman, thank you |
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| 11:42.30 | me-1 | ectospasm, thank you for sympathy |
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| 11:43.15 | ectospasm | I've also tried the stock 3.2 kernel, and the one with RT patches. Actually, the one with RT patches worked fine, but when I "downgraded" to the plain Debian linux-image-3.2-amd64 because I thought that would be easier than recompiling nvidia for vdpau, that's when all hell broke loose for me. |
| 11:43.44 | ectospasm | even a couple of fresh reinstalls, one with sid even, have not worked for me )-; |
| 11:43.48 | ectospasm | so yes, I feel your pain |
| 11:43.53 | ectospasm | ...when it should just "work" |
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| 11:44.29 | me-1 | ectospasm, it is detecting my sound card through lspci |
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| 11:46.17 | abrotman | me-1: that card is old .. it should be working .. that's a PIII or early PIV? |
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| 11:47.05 | me-1 | abrotman, it is pentium iii from year 2000 , IBM thinkpad t20 |
| 11:48.27 | abrotman | me-1: those are usually well supported |
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| 11:48.35 | abrotman | me-1: did you look through 'dmesg' for errors? |
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| 11:49.29 | xy | Hello, where do i change kernel options? |
| 11:49.30 | blingbling | lol, the 6.0.5 is released |
| 11:49.45 | xy | i want to add vga=*** to the kernel boot options. |
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| 11:50.42 | abrotman | blingbling: yes, and? |
| 11:50.52 | abrotman | xy: /etc/grub/ or something like that |
| 11:51.11 | blingbling | time passes fast |
| 11:51.31 | blingbling | i am still using 6.0.3 |
| 11:51.58 | blingbling | does 6.0.4 exist? |
| 11:52.00 | xy | "something like that" isn't very accurate. elaborate? |
| 11:52.07 | Woet | blingbling: yes |
| 11:52.10 | xy | blingbling: yes, 6.0.4 does exist |
| 11:52.12 | blingbling | wow |
| 11:52.13 | Woet | blingbling: 6.0.5 even, check the topic |
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| 11:52.53 | me-1 | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/170110/ |
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| 11:54.32 | xy | :/ squeeze does not have a /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 11:54.57 | abrotman | i didn't say that ... |
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| 11:55.11 | ectospasm | dpkg, tell xy about grub2 |
| 11:55.20 | cuit | Hi, is there a way to do only security updates when using apt/aptitude? Is that possible since updates are binary and are the whole program being replaced (if that is the case)? |
| 11:55.29 | abrotman | !tell me-1 about cs46xx |
| 11:55.48 | xy | !grub2 |
| 11:55.48 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x). Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (Open Firmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/Grub2 . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:56.36 | abrotman | xy: /msg dpkg grub2 |
| 11:56.53 | nfh | Hello, I have some problems with wanna-build configuration, can anyone help me with it? |
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| 11:57.11 | Woet | nfh: if you ask your actual question we can at least try. |
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| 11:59.11 | me-1 | abrotman, got it does it require a lot of work |
| 11:59.22 | abrotman | me-1: no idea, don't own one, never had to do it |
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| 12:01.58 | xy | abrotman: oh, thx |
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| 12:02.50 | Arafangion | I've downloaded debian testing, however when I attempt to boot the resulting image, it does not boot, how do I boot into it? (It seems that it instantly boots to my HDD?) |
| 12:03.21 | Arafangion | I don't seem to get a choice to continue booting into it, or to boot from the HDD - there's no timer. |
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| 12:03.53 | cuit | Is there a suggested bytesize for using dd with a debian iso going onto a memory stick? |
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| 12:04.20 | Arafangion | cuit: Not really, but 4MB's a decent choice. Ideally you want to match the blocksize of the memory stick. |
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| 12:04.28 | Arafangion | cuit: But really, you're better off just using 'cat'. |
| 12:04.28 | Ryccardo | Arafangion: either the disk was burned incorrectly or your PC is not set up to boot from an external drive… |
| 12:04.42 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: I cat'ed it to the usb device. |
| 12:04.53 | Arafangion | It mounts fine. |
| 12:05.09 | Ryccardo | Arafangion: to a hard drive or SSD? |
| 12:05.21 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: To the USB stick. |
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| 12:06.19 | cuit | Arafangion: cat? What's that stand for? (I've always used 1M on my Macbook because Ubuntu.com's tutorial told me so when I first used dd) |
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| 12:06.39 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: However, if I boot to it (from the BIOS), it *briefly* displays what looks to be a menu, but then starts Grub on my SSD. |
| 12:06.47 | Ryccardo | check your BIOS for enabling boot from "USB-ZIP" or "USB Flash"… since you probably already have GRUB installed there's a workaround to use it as your loader |
| 12:06.48 | Arafangion | cuit: I assume 'conCATenate'. |
| 12:07.29 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: I can select the USB stick from the BIOS boot menu, it then boots to it, but then instantly loads the HDD. |
| 12:07.48 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: It's an EFI bios, btw, unless I'm mistaken. |
| 12:07.52 | Arafangion | (So it's damn fast) |
| 12:08.02 | cuit | Arafangion: lol ok, not sure what that would mean in this context but I'll try that, would using that be affected if I'd not used that in the past (I'm thinking that it'll just used what I used last time) |
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| 12:08.31 | nfh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.31 | nfh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.36 | nfh | can you give me some pointers |
| 12:08.46 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: I'll try unplugging the HDD's, and trying again, if it boots the usb stick, that will guarantee that the usb image itself is fine. |
| 12:08.50 | Ryccardo | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB -- but it'll probably end up doing the same |
| 12:09.23 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: Hmm, yep, chainloader, that'll be the same. |
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| 12:09.49 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: Will reboot now! :) |
| 12:10.17 | nsadmin | nfh, a git repository? |
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| 12:11.09 | nfh | nsadmin, git://git.debian.org/mirror/wanna-build.git |
| 12:12.01 | nsadmin | thats not my question... altho, thanks... you said you need to set up a repository |
| 12:12.15 | nsadmin | what kind of repository do you need to set up? |
| 12:12.26 | themill | nsadmin: do you know what wanna-build is? |
| 12:12.40 | nsadmin | nope |
| 12:12.53 | themill | nsadmin: then stop "helping" |
| 12:12.57 | themill | nfh: have you found the wanna-build docs on the wiki? |
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| 12:13.44 | nsadmin | themill, from this point forward, never talk to me or about me. |
| 12:13.45 | nfh | I read this one http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWannaBuildInfrastructure |
| 12:13.49 | Arafangion | That explains it. :( I can't boot my USB image because apparently isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt. |
| 12:14.00 | Arafangion | How might I fix that? I jigdo'ed the debian testing dvd image 1. |
| 12:14.08 | Arafangion | (As of today) |
| 12:14.23 | themill | nfh: yeah, that's about as good as the docs get, unfortunately. It's pretty closely tied to the rest of the debian infrastructure |
| 12:14.38 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: So you were right, it's an iso image issue. |
| 12:14.53 | Arafangion | But jigdo-lite verified the image as 'correct'. |
| 12:14.56 | nfh | at the bottom it says "A Wanna-Build infrastructure is composed of one wanna-build database related to a repository and one or more build servers communicating with this database" |
| 12:14.59 | nfh | I'm ready with the database |
| 12:15.24 | nfh | and I'm not sure how to proceed |
| 12:16.07 | themill | nfh: I don't believe that wanna-build requires that the repo be managed by dak, so you could use other tools for that. reprepro is a popular one for people wanting their own simple repo |
| 12:16.26 | Arafangion | Is there a known issue with the testing .iso? |
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| 12:17.15 | Arafangion | The md5sum matches. |
| 12:17.28 | babilen | Arafangion: Apart from testing being uninstallable right now (AFAIU http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672862#18 |
| 12:18.16 | Arafangion | babilen: Hmm, well that sucks. :) Not even getting to that point, though.] |
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| 12:19.30 | nfh | themill, so you're suggesting that I now use reprepro to set up a repository? |
| 12:19.35 | babilen | Arafangion: How do you create the usb installer? |
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| 12:19.55 | themill | nfh: yeah -- I believe that should work. |
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| 12:23.28 | nfh | I have another question |
| 12:23.36 | nfh | I figured out I have to add entries to the table "distributions" in the wanna-build database. I'm confused what are some of the table's columns for - build_dep_resolver, archive |
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| 12:30.01 | nfh | themill, do you have an idea what are these columns :) |
| 12:30.39 | nfh | btw: I'm planning to document everything I do so at the end there is some documentation |
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| 12:35.14 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you don't want to see messages from themill, use /ignore |
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| 12:40.51 | themill | nfh: build_dep_resolver is presumably the algorithm that should be used for working out how to install the build-dependencies -- wanna-build uses sbuild/schroot normally and sbuild has a number of different algorithms it can use. |
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| 12:43.48 | TomyLobo | netbase upgrade from today breaks ifupdown. is that one of the problems to be expected in testing? |
| 12:43.57 | TomyLobo | or an accident? |
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| 12:44.43 | themill | TomyLobo: both |
| 12:44.56 | TomyLobo | an accident to be expected? :) |
| 12:45.13 | themill | that's the one! |
| 12:45.27 | babilen | TomyLobo: It is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672862#18 and problems like this are to be expected, yes. (Shouldn't have made it into testing though) |
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| 12:45.46 | craigevil | TomyLobo, *it happens, should be fixed sometime today |
| 12:45.49 | babilen | TomyLobo: Err, make that 672851 |
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| 12:46.11 | johhan | hello |
| 12:46.14 | craigevil | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672851 |
| 12:46.15 | korkman | i actually tried following aptitude into a world without ifupdown and yes, it just breaks networking :-) |
| 12:46.19 | TomyLobo | wow how can you remember those numbers even? |
| 12:46.22 | johhan | I have just install debian from netinstall |
| 12:46.30 | johhan | but it installed kde |
| 12:46.39 | johhan | how can I change to gnome? |
| 12:46.42 | babilen | TomyLobo: We have things called "search engines" ;) |
| 12:46.50 | TomyLobo | heh |
| 12:46.50 | korkman | johhan: install the package "task-gnome-desktop" |
| 12:47.04 | craigevil | uses surfraw > debbugs foo |
| 12:47.06 | TomyLobo | well you mistakingly writing the wrong number looked like you typed it from memory :) |
| 12:47.09 | korkman | johhan: aptitude install task-gnome-desktop |
| 12:47.43 | korkman | johhan: then on next login, select your preferred desktop environment before entering the password |
| 12:48.02 | TomyLobo | well i'm glad i used the aptitude UI to upgrade this time |
| 12:48.19 | TomyLobo | i surely would have killed my ifupdown package without looking |
| 12:48.28 | babilen | TomyLobo: It is not the wrong number, but merely the a duplicate of the original bug. (Another person complained about not being able to install testing in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and I merely copied the URL) |
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| 12:48.43 | TomyLobo | ah |
| 12:48.58 | Arafangion | SEems to be a very common issue atm. |
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| 12:49.38 | korkman | i wonder if systemd is worth the trouble btw |
| 12:49.54 | korkman | dependency based boot is actually faster on my system |
| 12:50.10 | samba35 | how do i check which auto installed packages and their time stamp ,in redhat there is some thing like rpm -qa --last |head -n x |
| 12:50.11 | korkman | and the complexity from systemd scares me |
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| 12:51.07 | johhan | korkman : there is not that pakage |
| 12:53.13 | korkman | johhan: that's strange. is there gnome-desktop or gnome-core at least? did you break your apt sources.list? |
| 12:53.31 | engla | korkman: to really be useful you'll need to replace all sysv init scripts with pure systemd configuration for debian |
| 12:54.05 | korkman | engla: ah so the real speed gain is not to be seen so soon |
| 12:54.28 | korkman | so i'll have to replace my personal init scripts, too? |
| 12:54.31 | engla | probably not. systemd is not designed for speed anyway |
| 12:55.33 | korkman | i got that it can start daemons on demand and hands over sockets with the initiating requests |
| 12:55.34 | engla | korkman: you don't have to. but for systemd to truly make sense, yes |
| 12:55.52 | korkman | sounds a bit like xinetd to me :-/ |
| 12:56.37 | korkman | will systemd be default in wheezy? |
| 12:56.41 | engla | no |
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| 12:56.56 | engla | there is no plan to make systemd default |
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| 12:58.45 | engla | You should look at Fedora 17 for a systemd-integrated distribution |
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| 13:00.31 | korkman | thinks of a debian wheezy vs. f17 boot speed race |
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| 13:04.54 | TomyLobo | the aptitude UI takes way longer for "Loading cache" than ~a year ago. is that just because there are many more packages now? |
| 13:05.08 | TomyLobo | or does it maybe have orphanned package versions from the update? |
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| 13:07.16 | TomyLobo | s/update/update from squeeze to wheezy/ |
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| 13:12.59 | TomyLobo | chromium on my T43 uses 50% CPU while playing a youtube video |
| 13:13.08 | TomyLobo | and 90% with some skips in fullscreen mode |
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| 13:13.31 | TomyLobo | some post suggested it's libcairo2 |
| 13:14.11 | TomyLobo | that post suggested to downgrade that to the version available in squeeze-backports, which i did. no success |
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| 13:16.23 | korkman | TomyLobo: the chromium version, is that from backports, too? |
| 13:16.31 | TomyLobo | nope |
| 13:16.37 | korkman | TomyLobo: maybe worth a shot |
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| 13:17.28 | babilen | TomyLobo: Which flash version? How installed? (You might also be interested in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support) |
| 13:17.45 | jack_thompson | debian/unstable: 3 weeks now that the mousewheel doesn't work when moving the mouse (in e.g. quake3 and others) |
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| 13:18.09 | TomyLobo | hah, i cant use the "wheel" anyway while moving the "mouse" |
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| 13:18.13 | TomyLobo | (touchpad here) |
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| 13:18.16 | jack_thompson | debian/unstable: downgrading to xserver*input*mouse from stable fixes it |
| 13:18.38 | craigevil | TomyLobo, people in the LMDE forum suggest using the dev version or whichever version Chromium 20 something is |
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| 13:19.11 | TomyLobo | craigevil is that in sid yet? |
| 13:20.18 | craigevil | TomyLobo, nope, there are a couple of 3rd party repos |
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| 13:20.49 | TomyLobo | hrm, i'll try the backport first |
| 13:21.50 | craigevil | TomLM, stable backports are usually built on the version in testing |
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| 13:22.52 | craigevil | whoops damn tab completion |
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| 13:24.14 | craigevil | TomyLobo, you can always use Chrome :) , Candidate: 20.0.1132.11-r137611 |
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| 13:24.45 | TomyLobo | err... no |
| 13:25.04 | craigevil | TomyLobo, or grab Chromium from the siduction repo, Version: 20.0.1093.0~svn20120405r130901-0.sidcution.2 |
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| 13:25.48 | crissi_ | hello |
| 13:26.17 | crissi_ | i just tried to use the php5 interactive mode on asqueeze but i dont get a prompt. whats broken there? |
| 13:26.28 | abrotman | did you install php5-cli ? |
| 13:26.32 | crissi_ | yes its there |
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| 13:26.45 | crissi_ | php5 -a staerts up but no promt |
| 13:26.49 | crissi_ | prompt |
| 13:27.01 | g3orge | my Macbook touchpad is doing some weird thigs with three fingers... how can I disable multitouch but keep two finger scrolling?? anyone? |
| 13:27.20 | crissi_ | i can only stop it by ctrl+d |
| 13:27.51 | craigevil | stop using 3 fingers ? :) |
| 13:28.26 | crissi_ | abrotman: any hints how i can get it working? |
| 13:28.54 | g3orge | craigevil: I'm trying but it's very sensitive. my third finger keeps appearing... haha |
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| 13:29.18 | abrotman | crissi_: have you tried it to see if it actualyl works when you type stuff there? |
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| 13:29.35 | crissi_ | i have updated to last packages |
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| 13:29.38 | crissi_ | no change |
| 13:29.43 | abrotman | not what i asked ... |
| 13:30.00 | crissi_ | when I type commands there are no reactions, also when echo etc. nothing |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | crissi_: dpkg -l php5-cli .. which version is it? |
| 13:31.13 | crissi_ | 5.3.3-7+squeeze9 |
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| 13:32.21 | abrotman | wonders what the man page means about readline support with -a |
| 13:32.43 | crissi_ | readline is good :-D |
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| 13:33.58 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 576218 |
| 13:34.03 | dpkg | #576218:N[php5-cli] Interactive interpreter (php -a) no longer functions (); Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:27:05 UTC [] |
| 13:34.08 | abrotman | crissi_: see bugs.debian.org/576218 |
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| 13:35.04 | abrotman | crissi_: and there you have your answer ... the BTS is good, the BTS is wise |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | or something |
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| 13:35.35 | krion | on php -a, you have to open <?php php>, then type code, then CTRL D |
| 13:36.06 | crissi_ | i found the bugreport already |
| 13:36.12 | crissi_ | but no solution yet |
| 13:36.26 | abrotman | seems like the BTS has a workaround at least |
| 13:36.37 | crissi_ | tell me |
| 13:37.33 | BenBE | How to set cipher preference for GnuTLS? |
| 13:37.39 | krion | abrotman: sure it's a bug ? cause i got the same behaviour with an higher version of php on a different system |
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| 13:38.10 | crissi_ | huh? |
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| 13:38.18 | crissi_ | itsa woringh under ubuntu :-p |
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| 13:38.28 | abrotman | krion: it's not linked against libreadline in debian |
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| 13:39.12 | da2ce7 | hello, I'm trying to setup a autoconf and automake scripts, however some-how it is not finding my .local installed libaries... how can I debug this? |
| 13:39.38 | da2ce7 | I don't know how to force make to tell me where it is searching for the such .h files. |
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| 13:40.15 | samba35 | how do i check which packages are recently installed or updated |
| 13:40.17 | krion | hum... |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | samba35: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:40.35 | da2ce7 | I know that: DEPS_CFLAGS = -pthread -I/home/da2ce7/.local/include is set correctly. |
| 13:40.39 | samba35 | ok |
| 13:41.11 | da2ce7 | however I'm getting an error ../include/otlib/OTScript.h:150:37: error: chaiscript/chaiscript.hpp: No such file or directory |
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| 13:41.21 | da2ce7 | that IS in the .local/include dir. |
| 13:41.36 | krion | abrotman: not linked against readline in freebsd too |
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| 13:41.53 | abrotman | maynbe freebsd has a different method .. see the bug, that's alli can say |
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| 13:42.31 | krion | abrotman: no no exactly same behavior and linking, i read message #27 of the bug, licensing issues |
| 13:42.32 | themill | they might be using libedit rather than readline |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | krion: right .. that's what the deal is .. |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | themill: they are |
| 13:43.29 | ToreadorVampire | Hey all - have recently upgraded my Debian Testing system and can no longer start up a secondary xserver for tasks like playing fullscreen games. xinit Â… -- :1 -xf86config xorg.gaming.conf now fails with an error about not being able to move a log file. Has the "proper" procedure for starting up a second xserver changed? How should I be doing it now? |
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| 13:43.54 | Woet | ToreadorVampire: topic |
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| 13:46.06 | born2troll | guys is there any working german package source? |
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| 13:46.27 | born2troll | im looking for 2 days straight and no german source is working |
| 13:46.41 | TomyLobo | what would that be? |
| 13:46.42 | themill | has no idea what born2troll is asking |
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| 13:46.51 | born2troll | apt-get |
| 13:46.56 | craigevil | the .de repos havent been working |
| 13:47.01 | born2troll | a source mirror from germany or austria |
| 13:47.03 | themill | born2troll: how about putting real output in a pastebin. Just like we asked last time |
| 13:47.07 | TomyLobo | oh, a mirror in germany |
| 13:47.07 | abrotman | born2troll: you tried all of them ? |
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| 13:47.22 | born2troll | yes.... none worked |
| 13:47.49 | TomyLobo | i'm using ftp2.de.debian.org |
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| 13:47.57 | craigevil | born2troll, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt there are a ton of mirrors |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | pfft .. i'd blame you, not germany |
| 13:47.58 | themill | is still waiting for a pastebin |
| 13:48.00 | TomyLobo | (apparently) |
| 13:48.13 | abrotman | born2troll: could ypou please pastebin the errors |
| 13:48.20 | born2troll | TomyLobo, thats not an entire source too... its just the dns part of it... it wont work too |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | born2troll: could ypou please pastebin the errors |
| 13:49.00 | astio | Hi folks, which is the suggested way for handling network? During the last update on my wheezy system I've noticed that apt has removed ifupdown and installed netbase |
| 13:49.08 | TomyLobo | born2troll deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 13:49.30 | TomyLobo | replace wheezy by squeeze if you use squeeze |
| 13:49.34 | korkman | born2troll: are you trying to say your dns is broken? try 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:49.39 | craigevil | astio, download the packages netbase/ifupdown from sid and reinstall them |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | born2troll: could ypou please pastebin the errors |
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| 13:49.56 | themill | korkman: until he actually pastebins an error rather than just ranting and /parting, we'll never know. |
| 13:50.00 | abrotman | born2troll: could ypou please pastebin the errors |
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| 13:50.04 | abrotman | born2troll: could ypou please pastebin the errors |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | runs |
| 13:50.16 | astio | Thanks craigevil, it's what I've done |
| 13:50.26 | themill | wonders if abrotman will correct the typo next time |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:50.42 | jelly-home | ypou is a small cuddly animal. |
| 13:50.45 | astio | I don't see any particular reason for install network-manager |
| 13:50.55 | craigevil | astio, only thing to do atm, its still broken in the testing repos, new ifupdown should be uploaded today hopefully |
| 13:51.11 | astio | Ok, thank you |
| 13:52.09 | TomyLobo | craigevil i use 20 now, still a lot of cpu used |
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| 13:52.46 | TomyLobo | 20.0.1093.0 |
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| 13:52.57 | born2troll | TomyLobo, thx worked |
| 13:53.14 | abrotman | so i guess he didn't try them all .. shocker |
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| 13:53.29 | TomyLobo | :D |
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| 13:53.34 | craigevil | TomyLobo, nvidia? |
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| 13:53.56 | TomyLobo | intel 915 |
| 13:54.11 | auska | It's possible to copy using 'cp' all the files except from a given one ? |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | auska: did you man cp to see if it acceppts a file as in put to suppply a list of files ot be copied ? |
| 13:54.36 | born2troll | i still cant get any source... |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | born2troll: `PASTE THE ERROR |
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| 13:55.23 | auska | abramart, I mean cp * --less <myfile> |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | auska: i know what you mean |
| 13:55.59 | born2troll | http://www.pasteall.org/31971 abrotman here! hope u get a lot more informations out of it than "i cant get the source |
| 13:56.07 | auska | and I read the man but I didn't see anything interesting... |
| 13:56.09 | themill | auska: you can use bash's extglob too |
| 13:56.17 | abrotman | can't imagine born2troll getting information from anywhere |
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| 13:56.40 | themill | born2troll: and do you have any deb-src entries in your sources.list? |
| 13:56.52 | TomyLobo | auska the solution has multiple parts |
| 13:56.54 | abrotman | born2troll: see, that error helps .. instead of the babble you've been spouting since you started |
| 13:57.11 | abrotman | born2troll: your "error" above, and the actual error don't mean the same thing |
| 13:57.13 | born2troll | themill, yes deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:57.15 | TomyLobo | auska 1. find out how to pass a file with filenames to cp |
| 13:57.25 | themill | born2troll: is that all? please read that line carefully. |
| 13:57.31 | TomyLobo | auska 2. make a file with all the files but one |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | judd: versions geany |
| 13:57.35 | judd | Package: geany on i386 -- lenny: 0.14-1; lenny-backports: 0.17-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.19.1-1; squeeze-backports: 0.20-1.1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.21.dfsg-2; wheezy: 0.21.dfsg-2 |
| 13:57.39 | abrotman | thought geany was gone .. guess not |
| 13:57.40 | born2troll | themill, i paste u the entire list |
| 13:57.48 | themill | what an excellent idea |
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| 13:57.55 | abrotman | themill: more pastes! will wonders never cease?! :) |
| 13:58.15 | born2troll | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/31972 |
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| 13:58.38 | themill | born2troll: so yeah -- what I said before. Read that line carefully. |
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| 13:59.03 | themill | you might like to actually have a mirror in your sources.list too |
| 13:59.07 | TomyLobo | born2troll you dont have a squeeze line... you commented that out |
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| 13:59.27 | TomyLobo | how is that supposed to work |
| 13:59.30 | abrotman | maybe just one person should help him |
| 13:59.43 | born2troll | line 17 and 18 should be working |
| 13:59.54 | TomyLobo | they do work |
| 13:59.56 | themill | born2troll: please. read. those. lines. |
| 13:59.56 | born2troll | and line 17 seems to actually do so but not linie 18 |
| 13:59.59 | TomyLobo | but that's just security updates |
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| 14:00.13 | themill | s/security/other random/ |
| 14:00.22 | TomyLobo | oh? well whatever :D |
| 14:00.29 | themill | !squeeze-updates |
| 14:00.30 | TomyLobo | it's not a full repo |
| 14:00.30 | dpkg | squeeze-updates is a suite providing updates to some stable packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from squeeze-updates will be included in point releases. This suite replaces the Debian Volatile archive starting from Debian 6.0. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 14:01.05 | born2troll | awwww... okey i got it thx |
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| 14:01.32 | abrotman | doubts |
| 14:01.39 | craigevil | likes using netselect-apt |
| 14:02.27 | abrotman | craigevil: i prefer cdn.debian.net |
| 14:02.56 | TomyLobo | canadia? |
| 14:02.56 | themill | born2troll: next time, please ask the real question, not "are there any working german package source". It would have saved us a lot of time and effort in figuring this out. Also, do try assuming that pebkac rather than assuming the rest of the world. |
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| 14:03.28 | born2troll | themill, TomyLobo ye sry i acted dumb with a dumb error |
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| 14:04.04 | craigevil | kept getting the silly bzip errors, then i used netselect-apt and went with the repo it picked, havent had any issues since |
| 14:04.08 | TomyLobo | i'd put it differently: if your way of viewing the problem worked, you wouldn't be asking us. |
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| 14:05.06 | abrotman | TomyLobo: it's a auto geo selector for sources |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | !tell TomyLobo about cdn |
| 14:05.22 | TomyLobo | i know, it was a joke :) |
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| 14:06.30 | Woet | debian says "Self-signed certificate encountered." while it's a legitimate SSL certificate, this only happens on 1 machine (the others are fine) |
| 14:06.36 | Woet | what is the package with root certificates I'm missing? |
| 14:08.18 | korkman | Woet: ca-certificates though it's hard to not have installed |
| 14:08.46 | Woet | well, it was missing somehow. |
| 14:09.09 | Woet | and the problem is fixed by installing it, thanks |
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| 14:14.49 | born2troll | Hey someone know where i get a good version for libre office for debian squeezy? |
| 14:16.00 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 14:16.00 | korkman | born2troll: like, from the official repos? |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 14:16.08 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; sid: 1:3.5.3-3; experimental: 1:3.5.4~rc1-1 |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | korkman: it was still openoffice back then |
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| 14:17.59 | born2troll | abrotman, i got 3.4 but it does not work very smooth... |
| 14:18.09 | born2troll | well there is not really a newer version it seems |
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| 14:22.06 | anoob | i just can ping and access localhost when i do: '# ifconfig lo down; ifconfig lo up;' ... why? |
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| 14:24.06 | korkman | anoob: is your problem that you *can* ping localhost though you downed the lo if? |
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| 14:26.07 | korkman | (i'm not even sure the lo if can be downed or why i'd want to do that) |
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| 14:27.24 | anoob | korkman, i've downed and then upped it |
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| 14:29.30 | korkman | anoob: and you wonder why you can ping localhost when interface lo is up? |
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| 14:30.16 | korkman | anoob: or is it you can't ping localhost unless you down, up the interface? |
| 14:30.18 | anoob | korkman, it always worked before without doing this procedure |
| 14:30.25 | anoob | yes korkman |
| 14:30.29 | anoob | that's what i mean |
| 14:30.34 | korkman | ah :-) |
| 14:30.42 | anoob | sorry korkman |
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| 14:30.46 | anoob | my english really sux |
| 14:30.47 | korkman | firewall rules? |
| 14:30.51 | anoob | nop |
| 14:30.54 | anoob | no iptables |
| 14:31.56 | korkman | hmm ... check /etc/network/interfaces if there's a line auto lo |
| 14:32.21 | anoob | ok, i'll check it, thanks korkman |
| 14:32.22 | superdmp | so, what happens if I try to run debootstrap on a filesystem that already has stuff installed on it? |
| 14:32.25 | superdmp | DISASTER? |
| 14:32.33 | superdmp | End of the world? |
| 14:32.34 | arietis | in case of dhcpdump utility how do i know mac address of client? |
| 14:32.59 | anoob | korkman, http://pastebin.com/v3FjnZM6 |
| 14:33.17 | arietis | is it CHADDR or something else? |
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| 14:33.54 | hanibana | I want a minimal graphical desktop to run some X programs. XFCE comes with some unnecessary (for me) big packages like openoffice (which takes time to download). How can I install XFCE without these packages? or install any other minimal desktop? |
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| 14:34.05 | jse12 | hello |
| 14:34.19 | jse12 | I can t uninstall kde from squeze |
| 14:34.38 | jse12 | it sais that are conflicts with xine |
| 14:34.42 | TomyLobo | apt-get autoremove kde-full kde-standard kde-minimal? |
| 14:34.43 | korkman | anoob: seems ok |
| 14:34.46 | jse12 | what can I do? |
| 14:35.19 | TomyLobo | jse12 lemme make it clear: you want to UNinstall it? i.e. get rid of it? |
| 14:35.29 | korkman | anoob: what does ifconfig lo say right after boot? is the interface down or up then? |
| 14:36.11 | anoob | i need to reboot my computer to see it... |
| 14:36.17 | jse12 | TomyLobo : yes. I installed debian from netinstall but it install kde, but I only want gnome |
| 14:36.24 | korkman | anoob: you didn't loose the apt package ifupdown by any chance :-) |
| 14:36.27 | anoob | but it doesn't show an ip address (127.0.0.1) when i run ifconfig -a |
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| 14:36.31 | TomyLobo | odd, the default is gnome :) |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | !tell jse12 about remove kde |
| 14:37.01 | TomyLobo | jse12 what exactly did you remove to cause *conflicts* |
| 14:37.01 | korkman | anoob: what version of debian do you run? |
| 14:37.25 | anoob | sid korkman |
| 14:37.33 | jse12 | how can I show the output in english? |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | LANG=C |
| 14:38.01 | korkman | anoob: i bet you're in the line of people missing the package "ifupdown". it was unfortunately suggested for removal by recent updates |
| 14:38.08 | jse12 | libxine1 : Depends: libxine1-plugins (= 1.1.19-2) but it is not going to be installed or libxine1-misc-plugins (= 1.1.19-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 14:38.43 | korkman | anoob: configure the network manually, then do "aptitude install ifupdown" and see how that works out |
| 14:38.46 | anoob | korkman |
| 14:38.46 | anoob | http://pastebin.com/jECANUFy |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | jse12: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:39.01 | TomyLobo | jse12 i wonder how that happened... did you just go to the "kde" category in aptitude and press the '-' key? |
| 14:39.23 | korkman | anoob: yeah. it's uninstalled. |
| 14:39.53 | anoob | http://pastebin.com/10DEPTj3 |
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| 14:40.30 | jse12 | http://pastebin.com/SKinW76F |
| 14:40.48 | korkman | anoob: there you are. should work as expected now. |
| 14:40.57 | anoob | korkman, thanks |
| 14:41.07 | anoob | i'll reboot my computer and see if its working |
| 14:41.42 | anoob | korkman, why are they removing ifupdown by default? |
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| 14:42.00 | pjc_ | ahoy hoy |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | jse12: and you ran aptitude update ? |
| 14:42.33 | korkman | anoob: i have no idea |
| 14:42.56 | anoob | korkman, its not a problem, i'll give it a try ... thank you very much! |
| 14:43.00 | korkman | hey folks, what's the movement around ifupdown anyways? are we switching to a new default network config? |
| 14:43.01 | jse12 | abrotman : yes |
| 14:43.07 | jse12 | http://pastebin.com/q2yPCZCF |
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| 14:43.32 | DrNoboto | ahoy |
| 14:43.52 | DrNoboto | does anyone here know much about getting debian onto the NAND device of a plugpc/sheevaplug? |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | jse12: aptitude -f install |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | !tell DrNoboto about arm |
| 14:44.19 | craigevil | korkman, no , new version of netbase needs a newer version of ifupdown, which should get uploaded to testing soon |
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| 14:44.44 | jse12 | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/q2yPCZCF i say yes or no? |
| 14:44.49 | TomyLobo | i get this line when starting chromium 20 (from siduction): [5:5:172399167834:ERROR:nss_util.cc(466)] Error initializing NSS without a persistent database: libsoftokn3.so: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied |
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| 14:45.06 | TomyLobo | i have a file of that name and the rights should be sufficient |
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| 14:45.23 | abrotman | jse12: if you don't want KDE< remove it |
| 14:45.26 | DrNoboto | pretty sure i'm using armel already |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | jse12: you may want to install gnome first though |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | DrNoboto: it was more that they would have more info |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | DrNoboto: if tbm is about, he wrote a bunch of docs on his blog about the sheeva |
| 14:45.53 | DrNoboto | oh, bot didn't give me a link to channel |
| 14:45.56 | jse12 | yes, I have both |
| 14:46.06 | DrNoboto | or it did |
| 14:46.06 | DrNoboto | nm |
| 14:46.07 | DrNoboto | :) |
| 14:46.10 | TomyLobo | permissions are -rw-r--r--, so it should be readable |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | jse12: so let it remove kde |
| 14:46.32 | DrNoboto | #debian-arm is invite-only channel... lol |
| 14:46.35 | dondelelcaro | TomyLobo: siduction isn't Debian, so it's not on topic here. |
| 14:46.49 | DrNoboto | ah, wrong server too |
| 14:46.50 | DrNoboto | thanks |
| 14:46.50 | TomyLobo | dondelelcaro hmm ok |
| 14:47.03 | jse12 | abrotman : ok, and when it finish, how can I know if still are kde pakages? |
| 14:47.03 | TomyLobo | lemme downgrade to wheezy's version and see if the error persists |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | jse12: dpkg -l *kde* ? |
| 14:47.16 | craigevil | TomyLobo, #siduction on OFTC |
| 14:47.29 | themill | TomyLobo: mixtures of packages from different distributions become exclusively your problem... |
| 14:47.30 | dondelelcaro | TomyLobo: even that wouldn't really show much; you'd have to actually be running Debian. |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | wrong person |
| 14:47.43 | TomyLobo | dondelelcaro i am running debian wheezy |
| 14:48.04 | TomyLobo | someone here just told me to try the newer chromium from siduction |
| 14:48.18 | abrotman | TomyLobo: i wouldn't .. mixing distros isn't a good plan |
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| 14:48.43 | TomyLobo | underlying problem is chromium (and iceweasel too) eating a lot of CPU while playing videos |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | flash related? |
| 14:48.58 | TomyLobo | youtube |
| 14:49.12 | dondelelcaro | that's flash. |
| 14:49.14 | abrotman | right . flash or html5 ? |
| 14:49.22 | TomyLobo | flash |
| 14:49.27 | abrotman | try the html5 "beta test" .. see if it gets better |
| 14:49.30 | TomyLobo | i think :D |
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| 14:49.54 | TomyLobo | i'll do, but there are other pages too, without an html5 option |
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| 14:50.34 | abrotman | TomyLobo: use gnash or lightspark ? |
| 14:50.43 | jse12 | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/8yCHgmF7 |
| 14:51.17 | TomyLobo | i have no idea what these are |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | jse12: did you see what the bot told you ? |
| 14:51.27 | abrotman | TomyLobo: /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:51.45 | TomyLobo | oh i thought you were asking if i use those |
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| 14:52.33 | jse12 | abrotman : yes |
| 14:52.37 | korkman | TomyLobo: i'd suggest install flashplugin-nonfree, then "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" |
| 14:52.49 | TomyLobo | i installed that yesterday |
| 14:52.54 | TomyLobo | i doubt there are updates today |
| 14:53.03 | abrotman | check |
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| 14:53.17 | _stefanos_ | 16 updates for today TomyLobo |
| 14:53.27 | _stefanos_ | currently installing them |
| 14:53.32 | TomyLobo | from adobe? |
| 14:53.35 | TomyLobo | surely not |
| 14:53.40 | _stefanos_ | yeah reader and flash |
| 14:53.41 | TomyLobo | nope, no update |
| 14:53.51 | _stefanos_ | well, i haven't run update for a while ;) |
| 14:54.50 | korkman | TomyLobo: also, are your gfx drivers OK? chromium-bsu (the game) is a good test for that. |
| 14:55.01 | jse12 | abrotman : I am going to reboot to check if it is uninstalled |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | uhm, opkay |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | you don't have to do that though |
| 14:55.31 | anoob | korkman, thanks! problem solved |
| 14:55.51 | jse12 | abrotman : to check if it is on gdm |
| 14:56.06 | anoob | i've quoted you (korkman and craigevil) here: http://www.forumdebian.com.br/topico-problemas-ao-acessar-localhost-resolvido?pid=76006#pid76006 |
| 14:56.12 | _stefanos_ | guys, i wanted to ask: is there any issue with nouveau? for some reason my GUI windows flicker a lot and Gnome3 Shell looks awful; plus, fallback got uninstalled with updates for some reason |
| 14:56.12 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:56.27 | TomyLobo | korkman probably not. i'll try that game |
| 14:56.33 | abrotman | _stefanos_: lots of issues, it's still in heavy development |
| 14:56.52 | _stefanos_ | then why have they removed nvidia legacy drivers? |
| 14:56.57 | _stefanos_ | with those i was ok |
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| 14:57.23 | abrotman | i don't use either, thank goodness |
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| 14:58.06 | _stefanos_ | also the official nvidia drivers throw segmentation fault |
| 14:58.20 | _stefanos_ | is there anything i could do? |
| 14:58.29 | TomyLobo | korkman ok that game runs fluidly... what would happen if my drivers were bad? |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | _stefanos_: don't buy nvidia? :) |
| 14:58.47 | korkman | TomyLobo: it would crash most likely :-) |
| 14:58.49 | abrotman | _stefanos_: you'd have to debug your issue |
| 14:59.00 | _stefanos_ | abrotman, yeah next time i won't ;) |
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| 14:59.06 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 14:59.12 | _stefanos_ | i will buy a motherboard with an embedded chipset |
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| 14:59.37 | korkman | TomyLobo: flash is up-to-date, gfx OK, chromium to blame? try iceweasel for a change |
| 14:59.53 | _stefanos_ | TomyLobo, did it crash with chromium? |
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| 15:00.10 | _stefanos_ | if yes, it happened to me 10 minutes ago; the entire OS froze |
| 15:00.21 | acu | hey guys, I run Debian Wheezy AMD64 and suddenly ifup eth0 ifup br0 does not work, also I do /etc/init.d/networking restart and nothing happens, am I missing here something ? |
| 15:00.33 | korkman | acu: yes, the package ifupdown |
| 15:00.50 | TomyLobo | _stefanos_ it runs fluidly |
| 15:00.54 | korkman | acu: an unfortunate situation in wheezy |
| 15:01.08 | TomyLobo | korkman iceweasel is the same |
| 15:01.11 | korkman | acu: you need to downgrade the package netbase to get ifupdown again |
| 15:01.19 | _stefanos_ | TomyLobo, fluidly? |
| 15:01.20 | TomyLobo | maybe 5% less |
| 15:01.28 | TomyLobo | _stefanos_ it runs well |
| 15:01.33 | _stefanos_ | ah ok |
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| 15:01.56 | _stefanos_ | brb |
| 15:02.59 | acu | korkman: so what would I use instead of ifdown ? |
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| 15:03.35 | korkman | acu: ifconfig and ip addr / dhclient. manually setup networking. |
| 15:03.53 | acu | I created a bridge br0 for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, now ip addr does not show either br0 or eth0 |
| 15:03.57 | jse12 | abrotman : worked. but network manager dont work well :S |
| 15:04.17 | TomyLobo | korkman i have in intel chip. all i ever knowingly installed for it was the xserver |
| 15:04.20 | aS2 | acu: you have to assign IP for br0 |
| 15:04.21 | abrotman | jse12: you might have to install the packages to use it |
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| 15:04.39 | TomyLobo | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 15:04.48 | jse12 | abrotman I have them installed and reinstalled |
| 15:04.50 | TomyLobo | is there anything else i need? |
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| 15:05.02 | acu | as2: I did, it is a static IP (though I did with DHCP too), I did it so many times, until now, something is screwy |
| 15:05.06 | korkman | acu: yes that's because "ifupdown" is responsible for setting everything in ./interfaces up |
| 15:05.14 | abrotman | jse12: can you configure them ? |
| 15:06.22 | jse12 | no, it says that the device is not managed |
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| 15:06.38 | korkman | TomyLobo: no. i guess it's just not optimized to run with low cpu. i have intel gfx too here can test to compare |
| 15:06.49 | korkman | launches chromium |
| 15:07.02 | TomyLobo | is the specific video important? |
| 15:07.08 | abrotman | jse12: did you configre it in your interfaces file ? |
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| 15:07.36 | TomyLobo | (cant try html5 right now btw cause youtube wont let me log in with my youtube account but only with a google account...) |
| 15:07.43 | jse12 | abrotman : I conected with terminal |
| 15:07.47 | TomyLobo | and i forgot my password for that :D |
| 15:07.52 | acu | korkman, so from now on I should forget about /etc/init.d/networking restart ? and ifup or ifdown - instead I should use ifconfig ? |
| 15:07.53 | abrotman | jse12: connected to what? |
| 15:08.03 | jse12 | wireless |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | TomyLobo: flash just does that somestimes .. i have intel cards in my boxes, flash works fine 99% of the time |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | jse12: that's probably why it's upset |
| 15:08.35 | jse12 | and how can I do? |
| 15:08.36 | korkman | acu: i suggest you get the package ifupdown working again |
| 15:08.43 | abrotman | TomyLobo: i've noticed that if a lot of different tabs have flash going, it gets worse |
| 15:08.54 | korkman | acu: only use ifconfig temporarily to get connectivity for aptitude |
| 15:09.04 | abrotman | jse12: did you check the /etc/NetworkManager or whatever it is to see if it's enabled ? |
| 15:09.36 | jse12 | it is empty |
| 15:09.50 | abrotman | what is ? |
| 15:10.02 | TomyLobo | abrotman 1 browser, 1 tab, 1 flash applet, 1 video |
| 15:10.02 | korkman | TomyLobo: i use about 27% with 360p quality (youtube) |
| 15:10.05 | abrotman | jse12: generally installing network-manager-gnome does the trick |
| 15:10.06 | jse12 | there is nothing |
| 15:10.14 | TomyLobo | korkman what kind of machine? |
| 15:10.20 | abrotman | TomyLobo: 1 tab in that window ? |
| 15:10.24 | jse12 | i have installed it |
| 15:10.38 | abrotman | jse12: and what's in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:10.45 | korkman | TomyLobo: just like you, 1 instance |
| 15:10.59 | korkman | looks up specs with lshw |
| 15:11.05 | abrotman | bah, this box doesn't have n-m |
| 15:11.07 | TomyLobo | abrotman 1 browser with 1 window, 1 tab in it, 1 flash applet in that which is showing 1 video |
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| 15:11.24 | TomyLobo | korkman i mean how strong is your cpu? |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | TomyLobo: that must be some crazy video |
| 15:11.41 | abrotman | TomyLobo: i am currently on a netbook, and i can wwatch full screen video on this |
| 15:11.44 | abrotman | (intel video card |
| 15:11.48 | korkman | TomyLobo: Genuine Intel(R) CPU U7300 @ 1.30GHz |
| 15:11.51 | TomyLobo | Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz |
| 15:11.55 | abrotman | TomyLobo: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 15:12.11 | TomyLobo | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller [8086:2592] (rev 03) |
| 15:12.14 | korkman | TomyLobo: 2 threads i assume dual core |
| 15:12.18 | abrotman | not horribly old |
| 15:12.20 | acu | korkman: so ifupdown is only temporary screwed, I see indeed some conflicts, exim is taken out and so mailx |
| 15:12.24 | abrotman | 4-5 years old ? |
| 15:12.30 | korkman | acu: yes |
| 15:12.42 | jse12 | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/jztJxxKS |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | TomyLobo: try with gnash or lightspark, see if it gets better |
| 15:12.45 | TomyLobo | i have no idea how old that thing is |
| 15:12.47 | korkman | acu: netbase requires a new version of ifupdown which is available in unstable |
| 15:12.59 | acu | I use postfix instead of exim |
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| 15:13.14 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03) |
| 15:13.16 | korkman | acu: temporarily adding unstable sources to apt might be the best option |
| 15:13.21 | abrotman | that's on a netbook that is at least two years old |
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| 15:13.47 | LarsT | HellO! :)= |
| 15:13.55 | acu | korkman: so this is known for people taking care of this packages ? |
| 15:14.01 | TomyLobo | abrotman does it conflict with flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 15:14.20 | abrotman | TomyLobo: unsure .. but it should be configurable with altnernatives |
| 15:14.21 | andornaut | so, i just did a dist-upgrade (wheezy) and rebooted. And now /sbin/ifup is gone :-/. I don't know that the two things are connected... any ideas? Other things might be missing...i just noticed this when networking was down |
| 15:14.24 | abrotman | acu: check the BTS |
| 15:14.27 | TomyLobo | ok |
| 15:14.31 | LarsT | j/join #snowlinux |
| 15:14.32 | LarsT | sorry |
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| 15:15.05 | korkman | acu: i'd search the BTS, but i dearly hope they know about it and feel sorry |
| 15:15.11 | jse12 | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/jztJxxKS it is correct? |
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| 15:15.49 | abrotman | jse12: that's why n-m won't manage it AFAIK .. try commenting out those lines, reboot, see if it gets happy |
| 15:16.00 | TomyLobo | gnash's install said nothing about alternatives |
| 15:16.16 | abrotman | TomyLobo: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so or something like that |
| 15:16.19 | korkman | acu: that being said, i was not bitten by that bug because i closely watch the updates before applying them in aptitude UI |
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| 15:16.33 | galexydeb | what is the best way of openning a .mdb (access) file in debian ? creating a jdbc connection or odbc one with libreoffice? or is there any specific application to open it easiy ? |
| 15:16.44 | TomyLobo | nope, still points to nonfree |
| 15:16.51 | abrotman | galexydeb: did you try opening it directly with libreoffice? |
| 15:17.03 | abrotman | (make a backup first) |
| 15:17.08 | jse12 | abrotman : ok, i am going to reboot |
| 15:17.16 | abrotman | TomyLobo: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
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| 15:17.29 | galexydeb | abrotman: as a matter of fact I have openoffice installed in my debian 6.0.4, not libreoffice, and openoffice can not open it directly. |
| 15:17.30 | TomyLobo | only one alternative |
| 15:17.43 | abrotman | not gnash ? |
| 15:17.47 | TomyLobo | nope |
| 15:17.57 | abrotman | eh .. that's a bit odd |
| 15:18.21 | abrotman | galexydeb: oh okay .. just a thought .. then yeah, i'd probably try some sort of ODBC if that's an option |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | ugh ... MSAccess .. the curse of 1997 websites everywhere ... |
| 15:18.49 | dvs | heh |
| 15:19.17 | korkman | i did a website running on msaccess ... just about in 1997 :-) |
| 15:19.29 | TomyLobo | abrotman ok something DID change |
| 15:19.30 | galexydeb | is libreoffice replaced openoffice in debian 6.0.5 ? or we have to wait for wheezy stable release ? |
| 15:19.49 | abrotman | thinks he worked on one in 2001 |
| 15:19.49 | TomyLobo | apparently, chrome is using html5 now |
| 15:19.55 | TomyLobo | which plays the video at about 150% -_- |
| 15:20.10 | abrotman | speed? size? volume? |
| 15:20.33 | korkman | TomyLobo: lol yeah, webm is pure cpu implemented i think |
| 15:20.42 | TomyLobo | eek |
| 15:20.56 | korkman | TomyLobo: and youtube will present webm to chrome |
| 15:21.20 | acu | korkman: thanks a bunch, I went to oftc debian-next, those guys know about it |
| 15:21.21 | abrotman | !tell galexydeb about bdo |
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| 15:21.31 | engla | I don't think any browser has gpu decoding support |
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| 15:21.59 | TomyLobo | but at least display |
| 15:22.25 | useless-eater | how to set auto logon for a user at gdm3? from commandline? cant do it from logon screen for some reason.. |
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| 15:23.36 | abrotman | useless-eater: google has more than a few hits |
| 15:23.57 | TomyLobo | iceweasel: 100% speed, but lagging the first half a minute |
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| 15:24.06 | TomyLobo | (also html5 |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | TomyLobo: youtube hates you |
| 15:24.24 | korkman | TomyLobo: i think that's the preloading |
| 15:24.56 | korkman | TomyLobo: things aren't properly threaded / priorized there |
| 15:25.33 | TomyLobo | ok i went to fullscreen and let it load now |
| 15:25.39 | TomyLobo | slideshow |
| 15:25.49 | TomyLobo | sound is good though |
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| 15:26.01 | TomyLobo | CPU usage is 20-30% |
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| 15:26.15 | TomyLobo | make that 7-35 |
| 15:26.19 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: eh, just use a downloader tool or something like minitube, instead |
| 15:26.42 | TomyLobo | err, no |
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| 15:27.44 | TomyLobo | 1. these violate youtube's terms, 2. probably some laws too, 3. i want to stream the videos, not download them |
| 15:28.01 | jelly-home | minitube streams. |
| 15:28.30 | TomyLobo | still leaves 1. and 2. |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | would rather have vsound back if he were going to steal thingies |
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| 15:28.59 | engla | downloading youtube videos is stealing now? |
| 15:29.15 | engla | then waiting for buffering is a crime too |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | engla: probably violates their terms |
| 15:29.22 | jelly-home | engla: unless they've explicitely enabled it fora certain video, pretty much |
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| 15:29.44 | korkman | engla: actually, buffering is a delicate topic in vod licensing negotiations |
| 15:29.44 | engla | the law determines what's legal, not their terms |
| 15:29.46 | valdyn | violating the terms does not make it stealing |
| 15:29.47 | jse12 | abrotman: I deleted some lines and now works |
| 15:30.08 | abrotman | engla: 5.B |
| 15:30.13 | abrotman | jse12: good deal! |
| 15:30.22 | abrotman | valdyn: it's not your work? |
| 15:30.29 | jelly-home | valdyn: it does preclude usage of the service |
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| 15:30.56 | valdyn | sure, but stealing is something else |
| 15:31.14 | valdyn | in fact youtube would be liable here for facilitating theft, theoretically, but stealing is not involved |
| 15:31.23 | jse12 | abrotman : do you know the best way in debian to install ati drivers? |
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| 15:31.30 | korkman | the thing is, youtube gets permission for much stuff uploaded by users, like soundtracks heard in the clips |
| 15:31.35 | TomyLobo | engla the law in most western countries (including mine) guarantees freedom of contract |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | jse12: for which card ? |
| 15:32.04 | jse12 | hd 3450, aus eah3450 |
| 15:32.09 | jse12 | *asus |
| 15:32.11 | engla | TomyLobo: nope |
| 15:32.12 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: you'll have to get hardware that works better with approved clients, then |
| 15:32.20 | abrotman | jse12: doesn't that work with Radeon free driver? |
| 15:32.55 | jse12 | I dont know if I have free drivers |
| 15:33.00 | TomyLobo | jelly-home but my hardware was good enough for squeeze with adobe-flashplugin |
| 15:33.52 | abrotman | jseldid you install X with the xorg package? |
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| 15:34.30 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: you can try to downgrade one software component at a time, risking security exposure by using older versions (esp. with flash) |
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| 15:34.56 | korkman | TomyLobo: the xserver packages got some performance issues lately |
| 15:34.58 | valdyn | TomyLobo: is the display driver the same? |
| 15:35.19 | TomyLobo | i dont know... i had to remove half the system to upgrade |
| 15:35.32 | valdyn | TomyLobo: so go look |
| 15:35.39 | TomyLobo | what for? |
| 15:35.42 | valdyn | TomyLobo: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:35.48 | valdyn | TomyLobo: the driver being used |
| 15:35.52 | jse12 | abrotman : I going to try free drivers. A last question, do you know if pae kernel use more power than the other? |
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| 15:36.05 | TomyLobo | [ 27.869] X.Org Video Driver: 11.0 |
| 15:36.06 | valdyn | jse12: not significantly |
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| 15:36.32 | valdyn | TomyLobo: thats just a version, not the name |
| 15:36.40 | craigevil | wonders why anyone would upgrade if it removes a ton of packages, that is when you wait or hold one of the two |
| 15:36.48 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: I have to downgrade Chrome's libgcflashplayer to a version from February to get rid of stuttering, because Adobe has done _something_ to make their av sync break horribly |
| 15:36.49 | TomyLobo | [ 28.431] (==) Matched intel as autoconfigured driver 0 |
| 15:37.00 | jse12 | valdyn : ok, thanks |
| 15:37.08 | andornaut | So, as to my missing /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown; it looks like my dist-upgrade removed the package ifupdown. I got back online by copying those binaries from a backup and then I deleted them and reinstall ifupdown and now they're back. The question remains: why did a dist-upgrade remove ifupdown... |
| 15:37.17 | TomyLobo | [ 28.903] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so <-- that's probably the one you want to know |
| 15:37.25 | jse12 | goodbye and thanks for all |
| 15:37.35 | jelly-home | andornaut: do you have logs of said upgrade? |
| 15:37.46 | valdyn | andornaut: you are supposed to know that such things happen when you use testing or sid |
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| 15:37.52 | korkman | andornaut: known bug in packaging you're third to report |
| 15:38.02 | craigevil | andornaut, because you said yes instead of No when it said it was going to remove it |
| 15:38.10 | korkman | andornaut: including me, we're four today :-) |
| 15:38.26 | craigevil | andornaut, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672851 |
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| 15:38.34 | andornaut | jelly-home: nope, sorry |
| 15:38.54 | andornaut | valdyn: im not complaining that it happened, i was just reporting my experience |
| 15:38.57 | jelly-home | andornaut: consider running each full-upgrade inside script |
| 15:38.59 | andornaut | korkman: thanks |
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| 15:39.24 | andornaut | craigevil: thanks also =). |
| 15:39.49 | korkman | must be fun on servers ... |
| 15:39.58 | andornaut | korkman: haha i can imagine =) |
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| 15:40.26 | jelly-home | who runs testing/unstable on servers |
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| 15:40.35 | cedr | silly people! |
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| 15:40.48 | pjc_ | jelly-home: nutters |
| 15:40.52 | korkman | i do on some. but i also read applied changes very carefully. |
| 15:40.53 | jelly-home | (I do sometimes, in chroots) |
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| 15:42.15 | korkman | but i'd go for stable + backports for new installations of that kind |
| 15:42.49 | sauvin | I'd go light on the backports, even. It can make installing new stuff a problem. |
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| 15:43.45 | jelly-home | new stuff? |
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| 15:51.26 | Cskiboy | I'm trying to switch my initscript shell to busybox, but keep using bash as my regular shell, and I was wondering how I could do it. |
| 15:51.37 | Cskiboy | Debian Wheezy 64-bit |
| 15:52.17 | korkman | Cskiboy: uhm ... installing the package busybox should not do anything besides exacly what you want |
| 15:52.47 | korkman | ah no you said initscript != initram |
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| 15:53.03 | korkman | sorry. why do you want to do that? |
| 15:53.10 | veryhappy | hey guys, hey korkman |
| 15:53.23 | Cskiboy | korkman: I heard that busybox is faster at boot time |
| 15:53.29 | veryhappy | a linux installation should be always kept in english i think, yea? |
| 15:53.51 | korkman | Cskiboy: debian employed dash to replace bash as /bin/sh for that purpose |
| 15:54.08 | Cskiboy | korkman: ah |
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| 15:54.36 | Cskiboy | So is there anything that I could do to dramatically decrease boot time? |
| 15:55.20 | korkman | Cskiboy: is your installation fresh? is it already dependency based booting? |
| 15:55.41 | Cskiboy | korkman: dependency based booting? |
| 15:55.45 | veryhappy | Cskiboy: use no framebuffer, kernel text mode |
| 15:55.56 | Cskiboy | korkman: my installation isn't fresh |
| 15:56.32 | korkman | Cskiboy: you'd notice on some aptitude updates a dialog that reminds you what is keeping the system from updating to dependency based init |
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| 15:56.38 | newguyptos | Hello! I'm currently on a Windows Xp and I want to make a bootable Debian flash stick. I'm using Universal USB Installer in order to do this and it gives me more option: Debian Netinst, Debian Live Gnome, Debian Live KDE |
| 15:56.51 | newguyptos | which one should I choose? |
| 15:56.56 | N00bKulas27 | Hello, has anyone tried setting up a dhclient.conf file to request for a vendor options? Like what I wanted to do is for that client to request options 60 with suboptions. i would like to emulate a certain device like IP phones to get an IP address together with its vendor options from the dhcp server |
| 15:57.26 | Cskiboy | korkman: hmm. |
| 15:57.40 | korkman | Cskiboy: there's also the package readahead. i've had no success with it, but maybe it's for you |
| 15:57.45 | veryhappy | newguyptos: depending on the speed of your network use netinst you will have more options then, otherwise use live gnome or kde what you want to use as your GUI |
| 15:58.13 | Cskiboy | newguyptos: win XP? |
| 15:58.30 | Cskiboy | newguyptos: If you are running an older machine, use XFCE |
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| 15:58.47 | Cskiboy | correction |
| 15:58.54 | granger | Is it feasible to re-install dpkg? |
| 15:59.02 | korkman | Cskiboy: it records what files are being accessed in the first minute during boot, then reads that files in sequential order (from disk point of view) before / during boot |
| 15:59.09 | Cskiboy | newguyptos: use XFCE for everything |
| 15:59.22 | Cskiboy | korkman: okay |
| 15:59.43 | Cskiboy | korkman: It does that already, I think |
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| 16:00.16 | korkman | Cskiboy: and of course, deactivate services you don't need ... sysv-rc-conf is nice for that |
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| 16:00.33 | N00bKulas27 | anyone? |
| 16:00.34 | Cskiboy | sysv-rc-conf... |
| 16:00.38 | Heisenmink | what's the name of the variable that determines what permissions files I create get? |
| 16:00.48 | Heisenmink | or environment variable |
| 16:00.49 | abrotman | umask ? |
| 16:00.50 | Heisenmink | or setting |
| 16:00.52 | Heisenmink | thanks! |
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| 16:01.07 | Cskiboy | N00bKulas27: lolwat |
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| 16:01.25 | N00bKulas27 | Cskiboy:Hello, has anyone tried setting up a dhclient.conf file to request for a vendor options? Like what I wanted to do is for that client to request options 60 with suboptions. i would like to emulate a certain device like IP phones to get an IP address together with its vendor options from the dhcp server |
| 16:01.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:01.34 | Cskiboy | N00bKulas27: I have no clue what you are trying to communicate. |
| 16:01.58 | veryhappy | bye |
| 16:02.00 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: that doesn't make sense .. |
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| 16:02.09 | Cskiboy | korkman: Cool! Thanks! |
| 16:02.11 | N00bKulas27 | abrotman: why not? |
| 16:02.22 | Cskiboy | vendor? |
| 16:02.28 | Cskiboy | jibbity-wha |
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| 16:03.14 | Cskiboy | options 60? |
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| 16:03.50 | N00bKulas27 | abrotman: here's what I was actually trying to achieve: I would like to have my dhclient.conf file to request a vendor specific options to my dhcp server |
| 16:04.10 | Cskiboy | define "vendor specific options" |
| 16:04.27 | N00bKulas27 | Cskiboy: not really option 60, it's just an example |
| 16:04.46 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: "request a vendor specific option from my dhcp server" ? |
| 16:04.55 | Cskiboy | define "vendor specific options" |
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| 16:05.28 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: for starters, which version of the dhcp client? |
| 16:05.29 | Cskiboy | Is ho talking about proprietary protocols? |
| 16:05.50 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: dpkg -l dhcp3-client |
| 16:05.54 | N00bKulas27 | abrotman: yeah, good question: hold on |
| 16:06.23 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: but you'd have to give us a concrete example of a 'vendor specific option' |
| 16:06.49 | abrotman | N00bKulas27: i guess it's isc-dhcp-client now |
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| 16:06.56 | N00bKulas27 | abrotman: it's a 3.1.1-6 |
| 16:07.25 | abrotman | are you sure? |
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| 16:08.10 | abrotman | judd: versions dhcp3-client |
| 16:08.10 | judd | Package: dhcp3-client on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny6; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny6; squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze3 |
| 16:08.15 | aguitel | any gui to manage boot order in testing ? |
| 16:08.17 | abrotman | ugh .. lenny dhcp |
| 16:08.49 | korkman | aguitel: sysv-rc-conf is curses based and old but nice |
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| 16:09.06 | korkman | aguitel: ah wait not for ordering |
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| 16:09.16 | Cskiboy | korkman: I'm confused on how to use it, but I shall consult Google. |
| 16:09.17 | abrotman | ordering of what? grub? services? |
| 16:09.18 | ujikaliminar | Hi! I'm trying to install debian from the files on the debian site.http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/ Why there are so many .iso files? Do I have to install all of them |
| 16:09.19 | ujikaliminar | ? |
| 16:09.34 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: you onlyneed the netinst |
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| 16:09.36 | aguitel | abrotman, grub |
| 16:09.44 | dosdosdso | hello |
| 16:09.46 | abrotman | aguitel: see, details matter |
| 16:09.48 | korkman | Cskiboy: you will want to search for runlevels |
| 16:10.01 | Cskiboy | cool |
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| 16:10.05 | aguitel | abrotman, startupmanager is not working in testing |
| 16:10.20 | abrotman | never used it |
| 16:10.22 | dosdosdso | I have debian squeze and audio dont work, with alsa and pulse audio. what can I do? |
| 16:10.41 | Cskiboy | korkman: Oh! I understand now |
| 16:10.51 | ujikaliminar | abrotman. I don't think I will have a good connection o the internet wehn I install Debian |
| 16:11.00 | Cskiboy | korkman: Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. |
| 16:11.01 | k1ng | anyone got ausus p8z68? |
| 16:11.03 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: then i guess you get all of them .. |
| 16:11.25 | Cskiboy | ausus = asus in australia |
| 16:11.29 | TomyLobo | i installed firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree (already had firmware-linux-free), rebooted, noticed html5 is now fluid, removed gnash, reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree, all working now |
| 16:12.17 | Cskiboy | N00bKulas27: run apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 16:12.35 | TomyLobo | 80% cpu in full-screen mode, absolutely fluid playback |
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| 16:13.15 | abrotman | Cskiboy: what will that do ? |
| 16:13.17 | ujikaliminar | abrotman: 7 images of 4 GB each? 28 Gb? :O Not even Windows requires that amount of space |
| 16:13.29 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: Windows doesn't come with 30000 software packages |
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| 16:13.47 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: you could probably start with just the first one, get the rest from the internet |
| 16:14.01 | dosdosdso | please, I need help with debian and audio. it dont work |
| 16:14.08 | TomyLobo | and if it did, there'd be anti-trust investigations |
| 16:14.46 | abrotman | !tell dosdosdso about alsa checklist |
| 16:14.48 | TomyLobo | ujikaliminar or use netinstall. that's a tiny image that loads everything from the net |
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| 16:14.55 | ujikaliminar | I heared that all not all those packeges are all ready installed. Are they? |
| 16:15.02 | TomyLobo | oh nm |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 16:15.07 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: what? |
| 16:15.16 | TomyLobo | i didnt read the part about your bad internet connection |
| 16:15.21 | bindi | where can I find support for HLDS? |
| 16:15.30 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: the netinstis a small CD tha will install a base system, then you get the rest from the internet |
| 16:15.47 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: what do you mean by "bad internet" |
| 16:16.00 | abrotman | we once had a guy say that his 3Mbps connection was bad internet ... |
| 16:16.20 | jelly-home | abrotman: it was full of porn, very very bad |
| 16:16.27 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:17.13 | ujikaliminar | Do I need the internet when I install the Debian or after? |
| 16:17.30 | abrotman | need? no .. good to have, yes |
| 16:17.44 | dosdosdso | and how can I add me to audio group? |
| 16:17.58 | Cskiboy | abrotman: he just had outdated packages |
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| 16:18.11 | korkman | ujikaliminar: actually debian is very well equipped for non-internet connected machines |
| 16:18.14 | Cskiboy | abrotman: it upgraded his system |
| 16:18.26 | korkman | ujikaliminar: the package apt-offline is very helpful |
| 16:18.26 | abrotman | Cskiboy: he'd have to do more than that to upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:19.02 | Cskiboy | abrotman: Oh, yeah. He'd have to change the repositories too. |
| 16:19.13 | abrotman | dosdosdso: man adduser |
| 16:19.16 | abrotman | Cskiboy: and more than that |
| 16:19.18 | ujikaliminar | I asked the last question for the case in wich I will netinst |
| 16:19.19 | Cskiboy | forgot about that |
| 16:19.33 | Nillerz | exit |
| 16:19.54 | korkman | ujikaliminar: well netinst implies it will require internet immediately while installation |
| 16:20.02 | abrotman | korkman: no, it does not |
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| 16:20.20 | abrotman | ujikaliminar: the netinst does not require internet for a base/CLI system |
| 16:20.49 | dosdosdso | abrotman I am still on audio group |
| 16:20.57 | abrotman | dosdosdso: did you follow the rest of the instructions? |
| 16:21.32 | zfra | Hola, does anyone knows what happened and/or where cah I find the 'anarchy' package that used to be in sid testing repositories? |
| 16:21.58 | zfra | Is there a plan to recover it and put it in the squeeze stable repositories? |
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| 16:22.13 | dosdosdso | abrotman : yes |
| 16:22.15 | korkman | ujikaliminar: abrotman is right, but the 1st cd image is likely more suited for an offline machine install |
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| 16:22.24 | abrotman | dosdosdso: look in dmesg for errors |
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| 16:24.27 | dosdosdso | abrotman : I dont find nothing strange |
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| 16:25.33 | abrotman | dosdosdso: lspci -nn ... what is your audio device> |
| 16:25.34 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:26.20 | dosdosdso | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01) |
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| 16:28.02 | dosdosdso | abrotman : with other distros worked |
| 16:28.24 | abrotman | should work here also |
| 16:28.50 | abrotman | dosdosdso: what is uname -r ? |
| 16:29.04 | dosdosdso | 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 16:29.18 | abrotman | should definitely work .. |
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| 16:29.25 | abrotman | dosdosdso: what does lspci -k say for the device? |
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| 16:30.10 | dosdosdso | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) Subsystem: Packard Bell B.V. Device e014 Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel |
| 16:30.39 | abrotman | dosdosdso: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:31.32 | dosdosdso | http://pastebin.com/PPxfA9xD |
| 16:31.43 | abrotman | you could have just told me |
| 16:32.01 | dosdosdso | but is a bit longer |
| 16:32.01 | abrotman | dosdosdso: and you're sure it's unmuted and the volumes are up ? |
| 16:32.04 | abrotman | did you try it as root ? |
| 16:32.12 | dosdosdso | yes |
| 16:32.22 | abrotman | to both ? |
| 16:32.38 | dosdosdso | to alsa before install pulseaudio |
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| 16:32.52 | abrotman | it used to work ? |
| 16:32.57 | dosdosdso | no |
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| 16:33.39 | Ryccardo | I always have to install OSS-ALSA to get audio to work on my AC'97, not sure if this is related |
| 16:35.18 | dosdosdso | and I have install everthing like my netbook and there works |
| 16:36.58 | dosdosdso | abrotman do you know anything to try? |
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| 16:37.23 | abrotman | dosdosdso: so you can run alsamixer and change things? |
| 16:37.35 | abrotman | dosdosdso: you might want to look at the wiki on alsa-project.org |
| 16:37.52 | dosdosdso | I cant open it |
| 16:38.11 | abrotman | why not? |
| 16:38.49 | dosdosdso | http://pastebin.com/gha835Y3 |
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| 16:39.40 | abrotman | what do yoou think that means you should do ? |
| 16:40.01 | dosdosdso | delete .asoundrc ? |
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| 16:42.11 | dosdosdso | I am going to do and reboot |
| 16:43.18 | abrotman | astute ... |
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| 16:53.06 | g0to | hello |
| 16:53.16 | mah454 | I use debian 64bit (wheezy) , virt-manager can not create vm ! receive this message "/usr/lib64/xen/bin/qemu-dm" |
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| 16:53.44 | mah454 | sorry ! this : "device model '/usr/lib64/xen/bin/qemu-dm' not found")'" |
| 16:53.58 | mah454 | what package install this module ? |
| 16:54.06 | abrotman | !tell mah454 about apt-file |
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| 16:54.51 | g0to | I was playing around with an upstart script and, after trying to install upstart, I found it would remove sysvinit |
| 16:55.32 | abrotman | that makes sense |
| 16:56.02 | g0to | being this the first time I hear about sysvinit, should I care if upstart replaces it? |
| 16:56.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:57.06 | abrotman | upstart is dead i thnik |
| 16:58.07 | g0to | abrotman, what about a future migration from upstart to whatever it will be replaced with? |
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| 16:59.30 | abrotman | g0to: which version of Debian is this ? |
| 16:59.50 | g0to | abrotman, squeeze |
| 16:59.58 | abrotman | g0to: you already have insserv |
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| 17:00.20 | abrotman | !tell g0to about insserv |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | g0to: which does something similar to upstart |
| 17:02.31 | g0to | abrotman, thanks. I will take a look |
| 17:03.01 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 17:03.04 | g0to | abrotman, btw, these are the upstart jobs I was talking about -> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu%2011.04%2B%20%28Upstart%20Job%29 |
| 17:03.45 | abrotman | not helpful to me, i don't use deluge, upstart, or ubuntu |
| 17:04.30 | abrotman | g0to: and if you're using deluge in debian, probably comes with aninit script if it needs one ? |
| 17:04.35 | mah454 | can install 64bit Operating system on 32bit hardware ? (Install Debian OS) |
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| 17:05.09 | g0to | I am considering them because they seemed much more easy to understand for me than this, which makes more or less the same -> http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu |
| 17:05.20 | abrotman | this still isn't Ubuntu |
| 17:05.24 | abrotman | judd: versions deluge |
| 17:05.25 | judd | Package: deluge on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.3+git20110209.8c36830-0squeeze1; sid: 1.3.3-2; wheezy: 1.3.3-2; experimental: 1.3.5-1 |
| 17:05.36 | abrotman | g0to: are you sure the deluge package doesn't have an init script ? |
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| 17:08.13 | g0to | abrotman, if it has, I didn't find it. That's because I'm using the one on their site |
| 17:08.27 | abrotman | great plan |
| 17:08.36 | abrotman | g0to: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 17:10.31 | g0to | abrotman, I'm in. No deluge references |
| 17:10.37 | abrotman | in what? |
| 17:11.14 | g0to | abrotman, oh, you want me to make my own deluge init script |
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| 17:12.14 | amphi | some has given me an NTFS external disk; after pmount-ing it, mount shows it as '/dev/sdb1 on /media/sdb1 type fuseblk (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions)' |
| 17:12.16 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:12.40 | amphi | does that mean I can write to it without trashing the filesystem? ;) |
| 17:12.44 | amphi | wots not of NTFS |
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| 17:14.11 | abrotman | amphi: did you isntall ntfs3g ? |
| 17:14.39 | amphi | abrotman: aye - there is a brief mention of it in the log spew on mounting |
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| 17:16.22 | abrotman | amphi: is it your data? is there a backup? |
| 17:16.41 | amphi | no, and probably not |
| 17:17.07 | abrotman | can you make a disk image on your system and goof with that? |
| 17:17.16 | abrotman | oh heck with it .. just try it |
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| 17:18.28 | amphi | heh - the tubes are filled with enthusiasm for ntfs-3g's writing prowess, so I'll give it a try |
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| 17:19.24 | abrotman | amphi: and remember, it's not your data! |
| 17:19.24 | amphi | image is out of the question, 466GB disk, & only 200GB free on mine |
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| 17:19.41 | amphi | that's the main thing, indeed |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | so if it's lost forever .. won't be your tears! |
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| 17:20.33 | cedr | fave backup system? |
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| 17:20.41 | amphi | no, although they might wish me to contribute some of my own... |
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| 17:20.51 | parabyte | aptitude update |
| 17:20.58 | cedr | pref. in a 'pull' type of setup, anyone have any sugs? |
| 17:21.02 | parabyte | then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:21.07 | parabyte | this going to murder this ppc system? |
| 17:21.11 | abrotman | cedr: rdiff-backup ? |
| 17:21.18 | abrotman | cedr: amanda? |
| 17:21.22 | abrotman | parabyte: why? |
| 17:21.31 | parabyte | abrotman, iv had issues in the past |
| 17:21.34 | parabyte | im letting it do its thing |
| 17:21.37 | abrotman | not very descriptive |
| 17:21.44 | n-iCe | what's the name of the bar in gnome3 the left bar panel |
| 17:21.47 | cedr | abrotman: will look into them; thanks :) |
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| 17:22.07 | parabyte | i want to upgrade this debian squeeze box |
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| 17:22.11 | karnois | http://pastie.org/3898011 |
| 17:22.18 | abrotman | parabyte: don't let us stop you |
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| 17:34.00 | acu | hello guys- I installed webmin in Debian, and it does not see yet samba server, what do I need to do ? |
| 17:34.14 | abrotman | acu: no one here is going to support webmin .. |
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| 17:34.23 | abrotman | it's a pile of crap and shouldn't be installed on any system |
| 17:34.35 | cedr | :o |
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| 17:35.08 | n-iCe | any idea in how to modify the command excuted in every click in the autohide bar in gnome3? |
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| 17:42.46 | peterrooney | n-iCe: inunstall gnome3? |
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| 17:43.26 | n-iCe | peterrooney: why? |
| 17:43.34 | wilfredor | Hi, I have a tvgo A03x, how I could find the driver, how install that? :( |
| 17:43.42 | abrotman | peterrooney: how would that help ? |
| 17:44.15 | peterrooney | n-iCe: if _every_ click is doing something other than what you want... |
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| 17:44.55 | peterrooney | failed the entrance exam at Clown College |
| 17:45.37 | n-iCe | peterrooney: is not, google chrome dissapears after rebooting, a solution found in google told me to change the execution command in the menu bar in order to do it, but the example is in gnome2, that's why I am trying to find how to edit the command of the icons in gnome3, can't find anything |
| 17:45.38 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you try to right click them to see if you could edit them ? |
| 17:45.55 | n-iCe | abrotman: yup, there are just 2 options, open and delete |
| 17:46.33 | abrotman | n-iCe: look in /usr/share/ or in your . files |
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| 17:47.33 | n-iCe | I have read that gnome3 has a lot of memory leaks |
| 17:47.42 | n-iCe | abrotman: you use gnome? |
| 17:47.58 | n-iCe | and bu the way, thanks for always help us |
| 17:47.58 | abrotman | not on this box .. |
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| 17:48.10 | abrotman | i do on my main system |
| 17:48.31 | n-iCe | I think it is not possible to remove gnome3 from wheezy, can't find a tuto to do it |
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| 17:49.06 | n-iCe | gnome3 works pretty fast though |
| 17:49.21 | n-iCe | not sure if it is useful, since looks to be for touch screens |
| 17:49.26 | Ryccardo | uninstalling all of its packages should do it… |
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| 17:52.11 | hsjhfkjsd | hi |
| 17:52.42 | hsjhfkjsd | i'm unable to find debian live gpg key fingerprint on http://debian.org |
| 17:53.14 | hsjhfkjsd | is there someone who knows the link? |
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| 18:03.35 | ptrkmj | the version of wine package in stable/testing is 1.0.1, in sid 1.2.3, and upstream stable is 1.4 (!). is debian really that conservative that its unstable release is so much behind upstream release? |
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| 18:04.11 | abrotman | ptrkmj: no, it's a known problem .. wine is a tricky set of packages |
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| 18:04.45 | ptrkmj | abrotman: what is exactly "a known problem"? |
| 18:04.51 | looking4keys | hi |
| 18:05.09 | mah454 | Sorry ... |
| 18:05.10 | mah454 | I can not create VM in virt-manager receive this error : http://pastebin.com/QaXXtDfs |
| 18:05.16 | looking4keys | how can i verify debian live gpg key fingerprint ? |
| 18:05.16 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
| 18:05.33 | abrotman | ptrkmj: meaning, it's been going on for a long time |
| 18:05.53 | looking4keys | i cant find it on debian.org |
| 18:06.06 | abrotman | looking4keys: you mean the md5 for the ISO ? |
| 18:06.26 | ptrkmj | abrotman: but do you know why is that happening? |
| 18:06.34 | tensorpudding | is this gpg key for some unofficial repository? |
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| 18:06.49 | abrotman | ptrkmj: because wine is a huge set of packages, and hard to maintain .. you can offer to help the maintainer if you like |
| 18:07.12 | looking4keys | abrotman: i got the key, the iso , the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign. i need to see if the fingerprint matches with a debian key |
| 18:07.12 | abrotman | ptrkmj: i think most people are just building their own packages at this point |
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| 18:07.24 | abrotman | looking4keys: WHICH fingerprint? |
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| 18:07.30 | looking4keys | the iso is the debian live i just downloaded |
| 18:07.32 | ptrkmj | actually i'm a newbie to wine and to debian also |
| 18:07.43 | tensorpudding | oh, you're talking about SHA sums |
| 18:07.52 | tensorpudding | you shouldn't say GPG when you're referring to checksums... |
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| 18:08.08 | looking4keys | abrotman: gpg says me "Good signature from "Debian Live Signing Key <debian-live@lists.debian.org>" |
| 18:08.17 | abrotman | looking4keys:is this what you want ? |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS |
| 18:08.28 | abrotman | oh .. the GPG keys? why do you want those? |
| 18:08.54 | looking4keys | tensorpudding: indeed i've always talk about _fingerprints_ |
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| 18:10.28 | looking4keys | abrotman: i verified the iso with SHA256SUMS. then i verified SHA256SUMS.sign , now i need to know if the key is ok. To do this i need something like this: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify.en.html << _fingerprints_ |
| 18:10.52 | looking4keys | but that page has _no_ fingerprints for the key used for debian live |
| 18:11.35 | abrotman | looking4keys: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:12.32 | looking4keys | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 18:26.44 | superdmp | What would happen if I ran debootstrap on a filesystem that already had an operating system installed on it? What would it do about the files that were already there? |
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| 18:34.14 | somuanlaichiu | Hi! I'm installing Debian right now. I have 4 partioning options -Manual, Guided using the entire disk, Guided using the entire disk with LVM set up and guided using the entire disk with encrypted LVM. Which one should I choose? |
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| 18:35.15 | Ryccardo | somuanlaichiu: do you already have an OS you want to keep? |
| 18:35.35 | somuanlaichiu | No! |
| 18:36.05 | Ryccardo | and you're not interested in software RAID, I assume? |
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| 18:36.25 | Ryccardo | then, auto/entire disk |
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| 18:37.45 | Ryccardo | you'll then be able to choose "single partition", "/ and /home" and "multiple partitions" -- the first one is better especially for small drives, the 2nd one enables you to easily erase the OS keeping user profiles |
| 18:37.48 | somuanlaichiu | I don;t actually know very much about that right now. Sorry. I will use Debian for mostly programming |
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| 18:40.57 | Ryccardo | the 'standard' setup would be "entire disk" and "single partition" |
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| 18:46.37 | somuanlaichiu | It's considered bad practice to put all the fles on a single partition? |
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| 18:48.38 | petemc | somuanlaichiu: not really, certainly not as bad as it used to be |
| 18:48.40 | peterrooney | somuanlaichiu: not exactly. It's better practice to use separate partitions. |
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| 18:50.35 | Ryccardo | single partitions are more efficient because you don't have to "move free space around", on the other hand they're less efficient for the exact same reason :) |
| 18:52.14 | somuanlaichiu | and which partition it's better to create? 1 for /root one for /home and one for swap? |
| 18:52.43 | nsadmin | somuanlaichiu, there have lately been a coupla different schools of thought... but they are both meant to protect overfilling |
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| 18:53.38 | xingu | has always built /, swap, /boot, /usr, /var, and /home on separate partitions |
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| 18:54.08 | nsadmin | the partition way is a hard and fast limitation. Consider /var which tends to grow at least for logs. putting /var on its own partition protects / from getting overfilled due to /var's logs |
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| 18:54.42 | nsadmin | the one-partition way uses quotas to do the same job |
| 18:54.55 | xingu | it's difficult to set appropriate mount options if you only have a single filesystem. |
| 18:55.03 | Ryccardo | I've never had that problem, honestly |
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| 18:57.02 | xingu | more recently I've replaced "partition" with "lv" |
| 18:59.02 | xingu | the other thing to be aware of is that the block layer (unsurprisingly) is threaded on a per device basis. |
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| 18:59.14 | xingu | one block device, one reader/writer thread. |
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| 19:00.39 | xingu | when full stroke latency is effectively zero, such things matter |
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| 19:11.46 | qwd | I'm trying to watch some images from amazonaws.com but get some xml thing and the message:"The bucket you are attempting to access must be addressed using the specified endpoint. Please send all future requests to this endpoint." I can watch them on my phone, but not on an Ubuntu 12.04 desktop pc or two Debian laptops (one Squeeze, one Sid). All with Firefox. Any ideas on what could be causing this? |
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| 19:12.06 | Woet | contact amazon support? |
| 19:12.44 | rainfyre | Clear your cookies ? |
| 19:13.48 | qwd | rainfyre: blocked cookies at first, then unblocked. |
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| 19:14.20 | qwd | Images show up on a Windows laptop. |
| 19:14.29 | rainfyre | No clue, man |
| 19:14.42 | rainfyre | Try a different browser |
| 19:15.09 | qwd | http://www.westcoastkickboxing.se/bilder-1292279 these showing up for you? |
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| 19:15.30 | rainfyre | My g/f has a similar experience with Firefox in squeeze when viewing fixedgeargallery.com |
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| 19:15.51 | rainfyre | Yes |
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| 19:16.05 | rainfyre | On my Droid right now though |
| 19:16.35 | qwd | Oh, anyone on their pc? |
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| 19:16.56 | andermetalsh | hello, some repos in sources.list do not appear on synaptic |
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| 19:20.06 | juliusnew | hi |
| 19:20.30 | cedr | hhi |
| 19:21.04 | juliusnew | can i just append openvpn to the line # Required-Start: in the postfix startscript? somehow openvpn isnt ready when postfix starts, openvpn however got a lower number in the rc2.d runlevel |
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| 19:23.03 | ompaul | juliusnew: given that openvpn could take a few seconds to start why not put a pause of 50 seconds on postfix starting |
| 19:23.46 | juliusnew | is there no way of letting postfix start after openvpn has finished no matter what time it takes? |
| 19:24.17 | juliusnew | i mean, thats what i was trying todo with the appending of openvpn to the postfix start script |
| 19:26.02 | ompaul | juliusnew: there is a scripting option with ovpn not used it in a long time (the scripting stuff that is) |
| 19:26.18 | ompaul | or there was ... |
| 19:27.20 | somuanlaichiu | Does the swap partition has to be logical? |
| 19:27.23 | juliusnew | maybe my question was a bit vague, must be my bad english but i got a feeling that youre on a total different direction |
| 19:27.33 | juliusnew | somuanlaichiu, no |
| 19:27.44 | ompaul | juliusnew: why is it so important to have postfix after ovpn |
| 19:27.55 | juliusnew | i want it to listen on the vpn |
| 19:28.21 | juliusnew | or wait, i need dovecot on the vpn |
| 19:28.38 | juliusnew | ah, thx that helpe |
| 19:28.44 | ompaul | juliusnew: thats a firewall rule? |
| 19:28.56 | juliusnew | no |
| 19:29.03 | KeatonT | Okay, so many some one can help. I just can't seem to figure out a way to get a python script running at startup. |
| 19:29.14 | dalias | i just upgraded debian and libreoffice writer's menus and dialog boxes are all blank.... |
| 19:29.17 | somuanlaichiu | I have 160 Gb on HDD . How much is good to you for the /root partition and how much should I use for the /home partition |
| 19:29.18 | somuanlaichiu | ? |
| 19:29.36 | dalias | the lines are there, and some underline where underlined hotkeys are supposed to be |
| 19:29.44 | dalias | but the text is nonexistant |
| 19:29.50 | dalias | any idea what could cause this? |
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| 19:29.55 | ompaul | juliusnew: postfix has a my networks part which sounds more like what you want |
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| 19:30.44 | ompaul | juliusnew: generally speaking messing with rc.d and friends is not the right answer |
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| 19:31.07 | engla | somuanlaichiu: I think you mean root partition as in the '/' path. |
| 19:33.28 | somuanlaichiu | engla: Yes |
| 19:33.56 | ompaul | somuanlaichiu: what is your use case (the full thing please) for the box, that dictates partition size also there are cases where separate /homes just don't make sense, however for easy reinstall and messing around like that splitting the disk into 50 / and the rest (- x2 ram which is swap) is not a bad rule of thumb but it really is about what you use the machine for |
| 19:34.59 | somuanlaichiu | PS: I also reserved 500 MB for the Swap.. |
| 19:35.18 | somuanlaichiu | I was asking only for the rest on the storage capacity |
| 19:36.11 | ompaul | somuanlaichiu: 2x the ram is good swap, what is the computer for - if it is mostly a large storage device then all one partition makes sense create a /data and drop all store stuff there |
| 19:36.14 | somuanlaichiu | When you say use case do you mean for what purpuses I want to use Debian and the packages for it? |
| 19:36.26 | ompaul | somuanlaichiu: exactly |
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| 19:37.53 | somuanlaichiu | Well I want to use it mostly for programming, for keeping a web server like apche or nginx(only for development purpuses, not for hosting) |
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| 19:38.46 | ompaul | somuanlaichiu: I wouldn't bother with splitting it, let debian do the split until you get a feel for it, it's not worth the effort thinking in that case |
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| 19:39.25 | somuanlaichiu | It's not my first experience with linux. |
| 19:40.08 | somuanlaichiu | I used Ubuntu for more than 1 year almost exclusively, and I also tried CentOS for 1 day :)) |
| 19:40.16 | ompaul | somuanlaichiu: choose one partition it will create it's own swap, you say it is not your first experience, my comment on the back of that is why ask us then, you must have some idea what you are about to do, but 160gigs is so small I wouldn't break it |
| 19:41.31 | somuanlaichiu | Uh. So that's the problem? |
| 19:41.40 | ompaul | hu? |
| 19:43.26 | hell_razer | i need some help with iptables and nat, http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2382/ , how to drop all destanation ips except 1? |
| 19:43.37 | somuanlaichiu | I thougth, the problem was the fact that I am a novice. That's why I stated that I already had some experience with linux. |
| 19:43.47 | ompaul | hell_razer: drop all and add one |
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| 19:47.36 | ompaul | somuanlaichiu: there is no real need to split that disk, you don't have a situation where you really want to do that from what you have said. |
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| 19:47.53 | CrunchyChewie_ | can anyone help me with iproute2? |
| 19:48.52 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: I don't know your question, nor does anyone else so they can't say yet. I guess like me they didn't turn up the day that telepathy was being thought. |
| 19:48.55 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 19:50.29 | __name__ | CrazyEddy, 42 |
| 19:50.32 | __name__ | Next! |
| 19:50.50 | CrunchyChewie_ | I need to know how to set a particular interface to use dhcp |
| 19:50.58 | CrunchyChewie_ | I cant seem to find it in the documentation anywhere |
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| 19:53.46 | CrunchyChewie_ | I know how to do it with ifconfig, but that is deprecated it seems |
| 19:54.00 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: tell your /etc/network/interfaces to do it |
| 19:55.03 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: something like that http://paste.debian.net/170177/ |
| 19:55.28 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: this is usually resolved at install time |
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| 19:55.43 | CrunchyChewie_ | ompaul: thanks! |
| 19:56.28 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: you're welcome |
| 19:56.32 | CrunchyChewie_ | ompaul: if I wanted to define it as static, would I set it there as well? |
| 19:56.42 | peterrooney | has a special hate-on for network-manager |
| 19:56.48 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: yes do you want a sample? |
| 19:57.49 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: eh I have to split - there's a series I watch starts in two minutes |
| 19:58.08 | CrunchyChewie_ | sounds good, thanks for the help |
| 19:58.12 | krababbel | CrunchyChewie_: man interfaces, you need address, netmask and gateway |
| 19:58.24 | CrunchyChewie_ | yea |
| 19:58.28 | CrunchyChewie_ | I've set it in there before |
| 19:58.40 | CrunchyChewie_ | but it seemed like ip wasnt taking it |
| 19:58.59 | krababbel | you need to 'restart' the interface too |
| 19:59.32 | krababbel | with ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0. Or you can use the 'ip' command. Like 'ip addr add ...' |
| 19:59.54 | krababbel | The ip command seems to be the new way of doing it. |
| 20:00.01 | CrunchyChewie_ | yea |
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| 20:00.10 | krababbel | but interfaces saves it for next boot |
| 20:00.10 | CrunchyChewie_ | I upgraded to wheezy and net-tools is deprecated |
| 20:00.22 | ompaul | CrunchyChewie_: this is a rather verbose one cheers tv time http://paste.debian.net/170180/ |
| 20:00.23 | krababbel | I think I read that, yes |
| 20:00.35 | Caterpillar | Hi, on Debian, which is the equivalent command of Fedora's "systemctl enable boinc-client.service" ??? I am writing a BOINC guide |
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| 20:01.24 | CrunchyChewie_ | still no connection |
| 20:01.34 | CrunchyChewie_ | did up link set eth0 up |
| 20:01.42 | CrunchyChewie_ | *"ip link set eth0 up" |
| 20:01.58 | krababbel | ip addr shows what address it has |
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| 20:02.25 | krababbel | what connection? do you have a proper physical connection? leds on? |
| 20:02.51 | CrunchyChewie_ | yep |
| 20:02.55 | CrunchyChewie_ | plugged in properr |
| 20:02.59 | CrunchyChewie_ | eth0 |
| 20:03.25 | krababbel | what doesn't work? ping? |
| 20:03.32 | CrunchyChewie_ | yea |
| 20:03.33 | krababbel | can you ping yourself? |
| 20:03.47 | krababbel | what can't you ping? |
| 20:03.52 | CrunchyChewie_ | google.com |
| 20:04.01 | CrunchyChewie_ | tried ping localhost "network is unreachable |
| 20:04.04 | krababbel | but 8.8.8.8 works? |
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| 20:05.21 | pjc_ | krababbel: /etc/resolv.conf perhaps |
| 20:05.23 | CrunchyChewie_ | get network is unreachable when try to ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:05.37 | pjc_ | did you get your address from dhcp? |
| 20:05.40 | CrunchyChewie_ | resolv has the proper name server in it |
| 20:05.47 | CrunchyChewie_ | I set the address as static |
| 20:06.05 | krababbel | what is your gateway? |
| 20:06.19 | krababbel | can you ping your ip address? |
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| 20:07.00 | CrunchyChewie_ | krababbel: when try to ping my address as it is set in /etc/network/interfaces, receive "network is unreachable", gateway is 192.168.1.1 |
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| 20:07.38 | krababbel | did you check 'ip addr' |
| 20:07.50 | pjc_ | can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
| 20:07.51 | krababbel | type that in to see your current adress |
| 20:08.35 | CrunchyChewie_ | ip addr is not showing an IPv4 address |
| 20:08.48 | CrunchyChewie_ | it doesnt appear to be listening to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:09.01 | Ryccardo | not even ifconfig? |
| 20:09.05 | CrunchyChewie_ | dont have ifconfig |
| 20:09.09 | krababbel | but interfaces saves it for next boot |
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| 20:09.12 | CrunchyChewie_ | net-tools is deprecated |
| 20:09.13 | Ryccardo | :O |
| 20:09.26 | krababbel | with ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0. O |
| 20:09.43 | CrunchyChewie_ | ifdown is not present on this system |
| 20:09.57 | CrunchyChewie_ | those are a part of net-tools no? |
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| 20:10.08 | krababbel | i see, then do 'ip addr add 21342 dev eth0 I think |
| 20:10.22 | Ryccardo | CrunchyChewie_: it's in "ifupdown" IIRC |
| 20:10.24 | krababbel | that gives you an address instantly |
| 20:11.05 | krababbel | 'ip addr add 10.0.0.1/24 dev eth0 I think |
| 20:11.32 | CrunchyChewie_ | ok added address via ip addr add |
| 20:11.38 | CrunchyChewie_ | still getting network is unreachable |
| 20:12.14 | pjc_ | CrunchyChewie_: can you pastebin your interfaces file? |
| 20:12.28 | krababbel | CrunchyChewie_: you still can't ping your own ip? |
| 20:12.35 | CrunchyChewie_ | krababbel: nope |
| 20:13.08 | krababbel | 'ip route' what does it show in first line? |
| 20:13.39 | krababbel | is you network mentioned and the eth0 device and ip? |
| 20:14.02 | CrunchyChewie_ | krababbel: 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.236 |
| 20:14.30 | krababbel | 192.168.1.236 is your ip address then? sorry no idea |
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| 20:15.33 | krababbel | 'ip link set up dev eth0' you already did ... |
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| 20:17.48 | krababbel | CrunchyChewie_: make sure 'ip link' shows the correct device too |
| 20:18.33 | CrunchyChewie_ | ip link shows 3 devices, lo, eth0, eth1 |
| 20:18.43 | CrunchyChewie_ | eth0 is hot because it has a MAC address showing |
| 20:19.29 | krababbel | no idea, what is eth1 then? |
| 20:20.34 | mikul | Anyone have an idea why ntfs-3g would use a lot of cpu when i'm writing to my sata disks? Happend after upgrading to debian testing (ntfs3g version: 1:2012.1.15AR.1-1 |
| 20:20.52 | krisfremen | mikul: are you sure it wasn't doing that before? |
| 20:21.03 | CrunchyChewie_ | krababbel: what do you mean? |
| 20:21.04 | mikul | yeah.. |
| 20:21.13 | mikul | krisfremen, yeah.. |
| 20:21.29 | krababbel | CrunchyChewie_: what is eth1? why no mac address? remove it maybe |
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| 20:22.57 | CrunchyChewie_ | fixed it |
| 20:23.54 | CrunchyChewie_ | needed to run "ip route add default via 192.168.1.1" |
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| 20:24.33 | krababbel | ok |
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| 20:26.29 | mikul | krisfremen, I had this problem once before on another installation to, but i don't remember how i solved it.. think i upgraded the ntfs-3g version then.. but now i'v got an even newer version now so it shouldn't be a problem.. |
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| 20:51.51 | eunuias | Hello! I installed Debian but during the installation something I couldn't configure the networking ( second 58 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUaJlsJkFg). Now I can't configure my DSL connection. The command pppoeconf can not be found and I don't see the icon ffor the GUI configuration on the top panel. Can someone please help me with this issue? |
| 20:52.14 | nenillo | hi, I'm receving "OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000005f, you have 100103f" error when using ssh. I'm on debian unstable |
| 20:52.16 | nenillo | how can I fix that? |
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| 21:09.17 | thorie | that's awesome |
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| 21:12.13 | Optichip | is it safe to run my whole system as root or do I have to be logged in as a user? |
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| 21:13.10 | dvs | Optichip: You should use it as a regular user and use sudo for the few times you need root access. |
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| 21:13.57 | serfabbius | hi |
| 21:14.00 | Optichip | dvs: ahh ok, thanks |
| 21:14.02 | Optichip | serfabbius: hi |
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| 21:14.09 | dvs | np |
| 21:14.15 | amogorka | hi :} |
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| 21:14.29 | aber | Whats that with debian and uname? How can I see the real kernel version? |
| 21:14.40 | amogorka | i have a problem with cups.. if anyone could help me? |
| 21:14.41 | Optichip | uname -a |
| 21:14.52 | dvs | uname -r |
| 21:15.41 | aber | 3.2.0-2-amd64, but i believe the kernel should be 3.2.16... |
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| 21:15.51 | craigevil | aber, uname -r then take that package name and do apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 21:18.38 | craigevil | dvs, not everyone uses sudo, it is not setup by default on debian, personally I have never bothered to set it up for use |
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| 21:18.57 | dvs | but it's so good! ;-) |
| 21:19.49 | craigevil | gksu, kddesu, or sux all work just as well to use a GUI as root, for the very rare occasion that is needed |
| 21:19.54 | dalias | sudo is not good |
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| 21:20.12 | Diopter | dalias: In what way? |
| 21:20.14 | dalias | it's at best useless and at worst a serious security compromise |
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| 21:20.53 | dalias | and if you ever find yourself routinely needing to run commands as root |
| 21:21.02 | dalias | you have a problem that should be fixed properly |
| 21:21.12 | dalias | rather than by constantly becoming root |
| 21:21.31 | peterrooney | dalias: sudo covers far more than "becoming root" |
| 21:23.10 | dalias | sudo is a poor hack around proper permissions management |
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| 21:23.50 | dawud | dalias: I beg to differ |
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| 21:24.00 | dvs | seconds |
| 21:24.20 | dalias | please show me one example of a sane use for sudo |
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| 21:24.32 | yaujans | Hello! I asked a few minutes ago the question about my networking configuration problems after installing Debian. This computer(win xp) crushed and I want to knoww if someone answered my question? Can you paste it again so that I can read it? |
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| 21:25.18 | dawud | dalias: in a SELinux enabled system, delegating permissions to properly execute a limited command that requires a proper security context |
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| 21:26.35 | dalias | dawud, that's not a usage case |
| 21:26.43 | dawud | dalias: it |
| 21:26.47 | dawud | dalias: sorry |
| 21:26.51 | dalias | that's an abstract class of things |
| 21:26.54 | dawud | dalias: it is on: mine |
| 21:27.01 | dawud | s/on/one |
| 21:27.02 | dalias | i want something specific |
| 21:27.07 | dalias | like "setting my ip address" |
| 21:27.18 | dalias | (which means you should be using network-manager or similar) |
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| 21:27.39 | dalias | or "mounting my usb drive" |
| 21:27.42 | dvs | dalias: installing new packages? |
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| 21:28.01 | dalias | ok that's an answer |
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| 21:28.14 | yaujans | Did anyone had problems with network configuration when they were installing debian |
| 21:28.14 | theycircdya | Hi. |
| 21:28.14 | dvs | :-) |
| 21:28.14 | yaujans | ? |
| 21:28.21 | theycircdya | Hi. |
| 21:28.29 | dalias | not one that justifies the existence of sudo |
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| 21:28.34 | dalias | but it fits the form of an answer |
| 21:28.44 | dalias | now, how is sudo better for this than plain su -c ? |
| 21:28.44 | Optichip | yaujans: I didn't see your question, so unable to answer you, maybe ask your question again? |
| 21:28.45 | petemc | yaujans: how does your adsl modem connect to your computer? |
| 21:28.53 | theycircdya | A lucky kid!! Well done. And well done his dad for sparing his child what he himself had foisted on him. |
| 21:28.58 | dawud | dalias: auditing |
| 21:29.04 | Ryccardo | `alias su="sudo -s"` ;) |
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| 21:29.20 | yaujans | I have a broadband connecton with a cable |
| 21:29.29 | dalias | sudo is basically "su plus a lot of useless features that make it insecure if used" |
| 21:29.46 | dawud | dalias: not if properly configured |
| 21:29.54 | petemc | dalias: such as? |
| 21:30.05 | Ryccardo | dalias: well, I have NOPASSWD set on my user :) |
| 21:30.07 | dawud | dalias: and it's just as insecure as any other piece of software I know |
| 21:30.19 | dalias | it fundamentally undermines the permissions system |
| 21:30.32 | dawud | dalias: wrong assumption IMHO |
| 21:30.36 | dalias | petemc, ryccardo just answered you :) |
| 21:30.50 | dawud | dalias: not if properly configured |
| 21:30.55 | petemc | dalias: not really, i just see hand wavey statements with no substance |
| 21:31.01 | dawud | dalias: and that's not proper config |
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| 21:31.10 | theycircdya | A lucky kid!! Well done. And well done his dad for sparing his child what he himself had foisted on him. |
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| 21:31.18 | dalias | petemc, NOPASSWD certainly is a feature on top of su that makes it insecure if used |
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| 21:31.33 | dalias | dawud, i agree NOPASSWD is not a proper config |
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| 21:31.37 | david89 | Hello. What am I supposed to install to have xorg but not pull in xserver-xorg-video-all and input?! |
| 21:31.38 | dvs | dalias: But you don't have to use it |
| 21:31.38 | parabyte | hi anyone know where i can download power pc radeon 9200 "rv280" microcode for my kernel? |
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| 21:31.38 | Ryccardo | I *personally* see it as *my* proper configuration, else I wouldn't use it :) |
| 21:32.01 | dalias | dvs, if you don't want to use the broken insecure features of sudo, you might as well be using plain su (which doesn't have these features) |
| 21:32.04 | craigevil | david89, only install the parts of xorg that you need |
| 21:32.06 | Optichip | dalias: unfortunately sudo was created for the soul purpose of allowing users designated by the SYSAdmin to manage a machine when he was on Vacation so he wouldn't have to work all the time. ;x |
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| 21:32.23 | dalias | actually, i consider su's model flawed too (running suid) |
| 21:32.32 | parabyte | im trying to get 3d to get 3d to work and kernel complains of missing microcode for my radeon |
| 21:32.34 | parabyte | on my power pc |
| 21:32.44 | dalias | since the user invoking it has too much control over the initial state (rlimits, environment, etc.) that could cause the invoked program to misbehave |
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| 21:32.57 | dalias | the proper way to "su" is to ssh to localhost |
| 21:33.05 | dalias | with sshd configured to allow root login from localhost |
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| 21:33.16 | primeras | hi all. Sorry my English isn't very well. I have a problem. How to install Matlab on Ubuntu/Debian |
| 21:33.19 | dalias | this ensures that the invoking user has no control over the initial state |
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| 21:33.56 | dawud | dalias: my user get a restricted shell with an imposed PATH, their ENV is readonly |
| 21:34.01 | peterrooney | dalias: quit trolling. Sudo allows you to delegate authority to particular users for particular tasks without giving out the root password, which would let them do any thing. |
| 21:34.03 | dalias | (if anyone doubts me, recall last year's latest wave of glibc dynamic linker vulns in LD_AUDIT) |
| 21:34.04 | dawud | s/user/users |
| 21:34.31 | dalias | peterrooney, these "particular tasks" almost always provide an easy avenue to full root |
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| 21:35.20 | petemc | dalias: so your solution is to only allow comlete unfettered access to root? interesting |
| 21:35.25 | dalias | no |
| 21:35.44 | dalias | my solution is not to give users ANY root access |
| 21:36.01 | Ryccardo | if anyone asks why I use NOPASSWD, well -- to use sudo you first need a regular shell :) (yes, this leaves out the "I left my account logged in" -- but my uncle hardly knows what's a mouse is for :D) |
| 21:36.04 | dawud | and who's gonna ssh to root in localhost? |
| 21:36.10 | dalias | and if you find a task that users need to do that requires elevated privileges |
| 21:36.13 | peterrooney | dalias: "sometimes" is not "almost always". while the second part of your original assertion has some truth, the first part fails any cursory inspection. |
| 21:36.24 | dalias | then you make a daemon that communicates over a trivially auditable protocol |
| 21:36.32 | petemc | ... |
| 21:36.33 | dalias | and does the task on behalf of the user requesting it |
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| 21:37.14 | theycircdya | The foreskin is a really thick, rich, substantial accordion of tissue. It's an abomination to amputate it. |
| 21:37.15 | stripe | dalias stop talking nonsense, how are you supposed to do administrative tasks if you cant run as root |
| 21:37.19 | petemc | that sounds perfectly safe, and so convenient |
| 21:37.22 | yaujans | I installed debian on one of my computers and during the installation it couldn't configure the networking ( the step at second 58 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUaJlsJkFg ) and after the installation iI typed pppoeconf in the terminal and it returned command not found ( I also tried sudo pppoconf) and I don't know how can I connect to the internet from debian. Can someone help? |
| 21:37.29 | peterrooney | dalias: I've got over 400 progs in /sbin/ /usr/sbin, you want my sysadmin to write 400 protocols? |
| 21:37.36 | petemc | !ops theycircdya ribald jibberish |
| 21:37.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: petemc complains about: theycircdya ribald jibberish |
| 21:37.41 | craigevil | primeras, Google "installing matlab on Debian", if you are running Ubuntu ask in #ubuntu |
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| 21:38.19 | theycircdya | So sad that in 2012 there are men in this world who are circumcised.. |
| 21:38.44 | theycircdya | Freakin savages? |
| 21:39.00 | Optichip | !trollface theycircdya |
| 21:39.04 | craigevil | someone kick this idiot plz |
| 21:39.06 | peterrooney | !ops theycircdya offtopic |
| 21:39.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: peterrooney complains about: theycircdya offtopic |
| 21:39.12 | dalias | peterrooney, for example, take "installing packages". it sounds like something you could safely delegate to users, until you realize that there are packages that could lead to network reconfiguration which in turn lets you divert traffic, etc. |
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| 21:39.48 | petemc | installing packages does not sound like something you could safely delegate to users |
| 21:39.53 | dalias | if debian had a way to flag "pure application" packages versus "system level" packages, and you could ensure that only the former could be installed... |
| 21:39.56 | dalias | then it would be safe |
| 21:40.12 | peterrooney | dalias: such as? |
| 21:40.15 | dalias | petemc, assuming the packages come from debian repo and signatures are checked, it "sounds" safe |
| 21:40.21 | Ryccardo | petemc: well, it depends on what's the purpose of your system && who are the "users" |
| 21:40.32 | petemc | does it? |
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| 21:41.23 | dalias | by "sounds safe", i mean some moderate to large portion of mid-level-experience admins would think it's safe |
| 21:41.30 | owen1 | i use external monitor and setting it up with arandr. my big monitor can reach 1400x1050 but when i do that it overlap with my laptop's monitor so it forces me 1280x800. is there a way to get the highest resolution? |
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| 21:41.52 | dalias | obviously to someone paranoid who considers any suid-root binary an unacceptable risk, it's not going to sound safe :) |
| 21:42.13 | stripe | dalias I am a single machine user without a sysadmin, how do you suggest I get new/updated software eg:drivers without being able to run as root, please start talking sense |
| 21:42.43 | dalias | stripe, i didn't say there's anything wrong with logging in as root |
| 21:43.25 | Optichip | owen1: run separate X sessions for each monitor maybe? |
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| 21:43.32 | dalias | i said (1) sudo provides no advantages in the area of ease-of-use unless you're going to make it so your user account has full root access, and (2) more generally, suid root binaries like sudo are an unacceptable risk |
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| 21:44.22 | owen1 | Optichip: ok. i'll look at arandr's man page. |
| 21:44.24 | peterrooney | [14:20:53] <dalias> and if you ever find yourself routinely needing to run commands as root [14:21:02] dalias> you have a problem that should be fixed properly |
| 21:44.27 | dalias | btw |
| 21:44.34 | Optichip | owen1: what video card? |
| 21:44.39 | dalias | is there any proper fix for bug $ 666565 ? |
| 21:45.09 | dalias | the fix in the bug thread (downgrading libcairo2 to testing) no longer works because the broken version is in testing too... |
| 21:45.44 | owen1 | Optichip: let me see |
| 21:46.29 | owen1 | Optichip: Radeon HD 6310 |
| 21:47.13 | Optichip | owen1: are you using proprietary drivers or os ones? |
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| 21:47.30 | owen1 | Optichip: how do i verify that? |
| 21:47.59 | Optichip | owen1: you'd launch the Catalyst Control Center to manage your card if you were using proprietary ones. |
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| 21:49.35 | owen1 | Optichip: i am not sure what 'catalyst control center' is but looking at dpkg i see: fglrx-driver and it say 'non-free ATI/AMD..' |
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| 21:52.06 | Optichip | owen1: you should have a catalyst control center in your system menu then |
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| 21:55.21 | owen1 | Optichip: i don't have system menu since i don't use a desktop manager. do u know the command i should run from the terminal? |
| 21:55.35 | owen1 | (i use awesoeme window manager) |
| 21:56.13 | Kagee | owen1: amdcccle |
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| 22:00.54 | owen1 | Kagee: command not found |
| 22:01.16 | dizzylizzy | hmm, why would a folder's info read "total size of files: 19.8 GB / size on disk: 158 GB" ? |
| 22:01.26 | dizzylizzy | files are spread out? |
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| 22:02.32 | SpComb | dizzylizzy: how many files? |
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| 22:04.11 | dizzylizzy | SpComb: 'find -type f |wc -l' reports 105 |
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| 22:06.17 | engla | dizzylizzy: sparse files |
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| 22:08.03 | dizzylizzy | hmm |
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| 22:08.44 | dizzylizzy | the filesystem knows better :P |
| 22:08.48 | dizzylizzy | i guess the file manager doesn't |
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| 22:12.57 | tharkun | !uuca |
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| 22:15.22 | tharkun | Wasn't there some factoid about where to find dpkg's database? |
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| 22:16.56 | peterrooney | tharkun: probably. /msg dpkg listkeys database ? |
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| 22:17.16 | ompaul | tharkun: look here http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 22:17.19 | tharkun | peterrooney: thanks |
| 22:17.38 | owen1 | when i run aticonfig i see all kind of information. i read some stuff about dual-head. looks promising.. |
| 22:18.19 | peterrooney | !factoids database |
| 22:18.29 | peterrooney | dpkg: factoids database |
| 22:18.29 | dpkg | no idea, peterrooney |
| 22:18.38 | peterrooney | dpkg: factoid database |
| 22:18.38 | dpkg | You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>. |
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| 22:20.24 | tharkun | ompaul: thanks |
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| 22:21.48 | fasta | Where do I get the UUID for an external usb hdd drive? |
| 22:22.01 | fasta | I.e. needed to put it in /etc/fstab. |
| 22:22.02 | dvs | fasta: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 22:22.37 | Ryccardo | or `blkid` |
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| 22:24.06 | ronny | hi |
| 22:24.12 | fasta | Great, and are those uuids associated with a partition or a device? |
| 22:24.22 | fasta | Because there are about 12 of them listed there. |
| 22:24.27 | Ryccardo | partitions |
| 22:24.37 | ronny | anyone got an idea what could be wrong if i get "cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain" very regular and wifi wont connect any more |
| 22:24.42 | fasta | So, I need something else to figure out whether it's ntfs or ext3/4. |
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| 22:24.55 | TCW | fasta, file -Ls /dev/devicename |
| 22:25.43 | fasta | TCW: thanks! |
| 22:26.12 | TCW | fasta, and UUIDs is FS-specific, as there could be empty, non-formated partitions |
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| 22:26.34 | TCW | err that was for Ryccardo |
| 22:26.44 | Ryccardo | in fact, UUID of a FAT16/32 partition is its "volume serial number" |
| 22:27.14 | TCW | probably a hack of the fat-driver |
| 22:27.17 | owen1 | 'sudo aticonfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=above' and logout, created 2 separate x sessions for each of my monitors which is awesome. i made sure they both showing the highest resulotion (in arandr). one issue i have is the external monitor is not spread on ALL the monitor - there is 1 inch gap on each side. |
| 22:27.31 | owen1 | any idea how to make my monitor use all available size? |
| 22:27.57 | TCW | owen1, why not using radeon? |
| 22:28.11 | owen1 | TCW: sure. i am open to suggestions. |
| 22:28.23 | owen1 | TCW: what do u want me to try |
| 22:28.33 | TCW | owen1, ok... then why fglrx in the first place? :) |
| 22:28.58 | owen1 | TCW: i use lenovo x120e. that what worked for me. but i am happy to try whatever. |
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| 22:29.18 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:29.21 | owen1 | (i don't use it for games, btw, just codeing and video/image editing) |
| 22:29.44 | TCW | owen1, at least imho nowadays one should use radeon first and just if he REALLY needs fglrx do the switch... |
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| 22:30.20 | owen1 | TCW: sure. btw, i use wheezy, in case it matters. what do u want me to install? |
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| 22:30.36 | TCW | but no idea if the lenovo x120e is to new for debian stables radeon drivers |
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| 22:30.49 | owen1 | TCW: let me google for this combo |
| 22:30.51 | TCW | ah, wheezy? That should be fine then... |
| 22:31.17 | TCW | owen1, and there shouldn't be any package left to install, radeon works ootb |
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| 22:31.42 | TCW | but as you did play around with fglrx, now may be the time to remove some so radeon is able to kick in :) |
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| 22:32.10 | owen1 | TCW: great! what should i do to get rid of fglrx and start using radeon? |
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| 22:32.46 | TCW | basically the package you need is xserver-xorg-video-radeon, check if that is there and then "dpkg -l|grep fglrx" to see what fglrx packages are there. |
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| 22:33.20 | TCW | owen1, but how did you end up trying fglrx? |
| 22:33.43 | TCW | if you had a reason I guess maybe radeon does not work for you? |
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| 22:34.19 | owen1 | TCW: it was a year ago. let me see if i can find what i did. |
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| 22:36.10 | TCW | fasta, btw see http://paste.debian.net/170199/ does your "blkid" not show the type of the partition? Mine does (have a look at the end of each line) |
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| 22:37.51 | TCW | fasta, http://paste.debian.net/170200/ err... this one :) |
| 22:38.00 | fasta | TCW: yes, it does. It would be even nicer if a program could atuomatically create fstab entries. |
| 22:38.15 | owen1 | TCW: i read this on ubuntu 10.10 - "By default, Maverick uses an old version of the open-source Radeon driver that does not have proper support for the AMD-E series APU. |
| 22:38.18 | owen1 | If you want full support for 3D graphics and 2D video acceleration, you will have to use the official AMD catalyst driver." |
| 22:38.32 | syslq | exit |
| 22:38.33 | syslq | exit |
| 22:38.39 | ompaul | owen1: and why would that apply to debian? |
| 22:38.41 | owen1 | let me see if i can find about debian and radeon |
| 22:38.45 | owen1 | (: |
| 22:39.01 | owen1 | ompaul: what's the best place to find debian specific info about my radeon? |
| 22:39.06 | TCW | fasta, don't you use a fance desktop environment that does mount external disks for you automatically? |
| 22:39.08 | syslq | ss |
| 22:39.22 | ompaul | owen1: starting the the default driver - does that work? |
| 22:39.36 | owen1 | ompaul: how do i do that? |
| 22:39.38 | fasta | TCW: perhaps only when the stars are aligned correctly. |
| 22:39.43 | ompaul | owen1: install debian |
| 22:39.54 | owen1 | ompaul: i run debian at the moment |
| 22:40.10 | TCW | owen1, I told you what to do... was there something to vague? |
| 22:40.10 | ompaul | owen1: then if you have not altered anything something is working for you |
| 22:40.22 | TCW | too even |
| 22:40.30 | owen1 | TCW: sorry. i am confused. |
| 22:40.32 | TCW | fasta, it is unreliable? |
| 22:40.53 | ompaul | owen1: it seems you are trying to do something, and you don't answer direct questions |
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| 22:41.44 | ompaul | owen1: seems to be sub-optimal at best |
| 22:41.47 | owen1 | ompaul: TCW: i use fglrx at the moment and would like to try the free driver. before doing it i wanted to find online if my video card is supported on wheezy. |
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| 22:41.58 | TCW | owen1, just answer questiuons and ask questions... and think in the meantime so that the questions may not be too dumb ;) |
| 22:42.50 | owen1 | TCW: ok. i appologize. what is the recent question i didn't answer? 'starting the default driver, does that work?' |
| 22:42.51 | TCW | owen1, the fastes way is just to test it, it should just work for maybe 99% of all radeon cards ootb |
| 22:43.11 | owen1 | TCW: awesome! i don't know what 'just to test it' means (: |
| 22:43.24 | owen1 | what packages to install/uninstall, etc |
| 22:43.37 | TCW | owen1, I said that too already, for a start "dpkg -l|grep fglrx" check what fgrlx stuff is installed |
| 22:43.46 | owen1 | TCW: ok. give me a sec |
| 22:44.21 | ompaul | owen1: use http://paste.debian.net for more than two lines of output |
| 22:45.18 | owen1 | http://paste.debian.net/170203/ |
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| 22:45.50 | TCW | owen1, remove them |
| 22:45.59 | owen1 | TCW: ok |
| 22:46.00 | ompaul | owen1: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary is the page you should read, and there it will tell you things about a specific date not too long ago, testing is a moving target. Expect it to break some days and work others. |
| 22:46.10 | ompaul | owen1: testing == wheezy |
| 22:46.18 | owen1 | ompaul: got it. thanks |
| 22:46.27 | ompaul | owen1: and work with TCW |
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| 22:46.34 | owen1 | ompaul: i am (: |
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| 22:49.06 | TCW | owen1, btw. how old is that laptop? |
| 22:49.14 | owen1 | TCW: 'aptitude purge fglrx-driver' asks me to remove xserver-org as well. http://paste.debian.net/170204/ |
| 22:49.26 | owen1 | TCW: maybe 1 year old |
| 22:49.29 | owen1 | x120e |
| 22:49.51 | owen1 | TCW: i hit ctrl+c so i hope i didn't remove it.. |
| 22:50.07 | TCW | ctrl-c is fine there... but funny nevertheless :) |
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| 22:50.46 | TCW | owen1, anyway, fastest would be "don't use aptitude" I guess ;) |
| 22:51.02 | owen1 | TCW: sorry. i am a bit confused.. |
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| 22:51.31 | owen1 | what packages should i remove? only those that appeared in the previous pastebin, right? |
| 22:51.35 | TCW | but iirc there is a switch so aptitude NOT to consider recommended packages and ONLY consider "depending" packages. |
| 22:51.52 | owen1 | TCW: got it. let me find that. |
| 22:52.15 | TCW | owen1, basically ALL that have fglrx in its name... but aptitude is somewhat... maybe not the perfect tool for the job, try apt-get or /dpkg |
| 22:52.17 | Ryccardo | it's in aptitude settings page |
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| 22:52.19 | mun | hi |
| 22:52.26 | mun | i ran apt-get install libxss1:i386 libqtcore4:i386 libqt4-dbus:i386 to get multiarch and it has removed a lot of packages, including kile, okular etc. i want to stay in 64bits. now i can't install kile again. i get messages like "Depends: konsole but it is not going to be installed". please help. |
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| 22:53.18 | TCW | funny, one app (my irc client) has lost all its window deco *scratches head* |
| 22:53.30 | TCW | brb, irc client cycling |
| 22:53.32 | owen1 | TCW: yeah. i think apt-get purge is only removing fglrx-driver |
| 22:53.33 | fasta | TCW: yes, KDE is. |
| 22:54.07 | fasta | TCW: I got what I wanted to work to work now. Thanks for your quick and more importantly relevant answers of high quality. |
| 22:54.43 | fasta | TCW: that's your window manager which has crashed. |
| 22:56.04 | TCW | fasta, *eeks* with xfce / gnome it works better? |
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| 22:56.23 | TCW | fasta, and no, other apps still had their deco |
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| 22:56.55 | TCW | had and have and now the irc client has its deco back as well |
| 22:57.16 | owen1 | TCW: no more fglrx packages. i am ready for the next step! |
| 22:57.29 | fasta | TCW: I am quite happy with KDE otherwise. |
| 22:57.34 | TCW | owen1, check if xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed |
| 22:57.47 | TCW | it should be... |
| 22:57.48 | fasta | TCW: I run a development version and as such it might be that it's ahead of Debian Stable. |
| 22:58.04 | TCW | fasta, dev version as in debian sid? |
| 22:58.04 | owen1 | TCW: no it's not |
| 22:58.13 | fasta | TCW: no, as in compiled from source. |
| 22:58.30 | TCW | fasta, install it |
| 22:58.39 | nsadmin | still having some problems getting ipmasq to start after networking is fully up; here are its two init.d scripts: http://gist.github.com/2732325 |
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| 22:58.47 | TCW | fasta, but I wonder why it is not installed as default... |
| 22:59.15 | owen1 | TCW: i am installing it |
| 22:59.17 | TCW | err.... the last two messages are for owen1 :) |
| 22:59.41 | owen1 | ok |
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| 22:59.59 | owen1 | TCW: restart? |
| 23:00.10 | TCW | owen1, not yet :) |
| 23:00.14 | fasta | TCW: none of those messages were for me, I assume? |
| 23:00.21 | ompaul | owen1: uname -a please |
| 23:00.40 | owen1 | ompaul: Linux debian 3.2.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 30 05:20:23 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:00.58 | TCW | owen1, see if in /etc/modprobe.d/ a file is still there to blacklist the radeon kernel module. |
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| 23:01.34 | owen1 | TCW: i see a file called radeon-kms.conf |
| 23:01.49 | owen1 | options radeon modeset=1 |
| 23:01.59 | TCW | owen1, that is ok |
| 23:02.29 | TCW | owen1, did the radeon package installation update the initrd? |
| 23:03.06 | owen1 | TCW: i don't know |
| 23:03.41 | TCW | owen1, ehm... did you read the stuff apt-get / aptitude did write on the screen? :) |
| 23:04.05 | nsadmin | about that, I've been doing reboot tests, and the interfaces come up, ipmasq seems to come up but when I try to do things, the rules made it impossible to communicate (note, ipmasq works by reading the data in the actual interfaces (parses output of ifconfig maybe) and then calculates a firewall based on that data) |
| 23:04.20 | TCW | but if in doubt, as root: update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 23:04.33 | nsadmin | so I stop ipmasq and then restart it, and everything works |
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| 23:05.06 | owen1 | TCW: i don't see anything about updating initrd in the log |
| 23:05.26 | TCW | owen then: update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 23:05.29 | nsadmin | so this makes me think that ipmasq is started too early or networking too late. ipmasq needs to be started only after the interfaces are completely configured |
| 23:05.44 | owen1 | TCW: http://paste.debian.net/170205/ |
| 23:06.00 | nsadmin | and routes and everything, since ipmasq also looks for which interface has the default route |
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| 23:06.58 | TCW | owen1, oops... did you notice the grave bug warning? |
| 23:07.37 | owen1 | TCW: yeah. what does it mean? |
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| 23:07.52 | nsadmin | !test |
| 23:07.52 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 23:08.06 | TCW | owen1, maybe that you should read that bugreport? ;) |
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| 23:08.46 | owen1 | TCW: it's this one, right? 670570 - xserver-xorg-video-radeon: regression in sid |
| 23:09.05 | owen1 | googling |
| 23:09.15 | TCW | why google? |
| 23:09.31 | owen1 | TCW: not sure what other options i have.. |
| 23:09.37 | owen1 | bing (; |
| 23:09.41 | owen1 | duckduck |
| 23:09.53 | pielgrzym | hi, I've got one machine with lenny. I'm updating it to sqeeze, but apt seems to work really slow (kernel upgrade ~10minutes, dist-upgrade after reboot takes 20 mins and is stuck at libc6 now). what could be the reason of such a miserable apt performance? on other xen machine with similar config apt was blazing fast :/ |
| 23:09.59 | TCW | owen1, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670570 |
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| 23:10.37 | nsadmin | pielgrzym, what does it print when it |
| 23:10.42 | nsadmin | is slow? |
| 23:10.46 | nsadmin | the last thing you see |
| 23:11.16 | pielgrzym | nsadmin: Configuring libc6 (2.11.3-3) ... |
| 23:11.18 | craigevil | installing xserver-xorg-video-ati fixed the problem with X i had when i filed that bug |
| 23:11.45 | nsadmin | hmm. what cpu? |
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| 23:12.28 | pielgrzym | nsadmin: oh, just logged into tty from host - it's a "Time went backwards" xen issue :/ nvm :) |
| 23:12.33 | owen1 | TCW: so i installed version 1:6.14.4-2 and there is a bug that will crash my system that was fixed in 1:6.14-4-4 ? |
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| 23:13.04 | TCW | owen1, ask craigevil (who is here as well) as he did report that bug :) |
| 23:13.27 | nsadmin | pielgrzym, not sure if that's your issue or not... and, you can install ntp and ntpdate (do you have a constant pretty fat net connection?) |
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| 23:13.52 | craigevil | owen1, i had to remove my xorg.conf and install the xserver-xorg-video-ati package to get X working again |
| 23:14.06 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | who hoo, babbelirc didnt segfault from onjoin |
| 23:14.18 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | 1143. gg |
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| 23:14.28 | TCW | owen1, but as I read all that, that bug only faces when using UMS and not KMS and did only apply to sids drivers, testing was not affected and sid is fixed now too. |
| 23:14.32 | nsadmin | there's an onjoin here? |
| 23:14.39 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | *my* onjoin |
| 23:14.42 | craigevil | owen1, Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV200 [Mobility Radeon 7500] X.org: 1.12.1 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) |
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| 23:15.01 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:15.16 | owen1 | craigevil: TCW thank you guys. so it is not effecting my laptop? |
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| 23:15.33 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | i need a tad bit of help in the direction i should do to share a dvd+rw drive debian box with windows |
| 23:15.45 | craigevil | owen1, if you are running testing it should be fixed |
| 23:15.47 | pielgrzym | nsadmin: it's a common xen problem when a machine is using the xen clocksource instead of its own clock ticks |
| 23:15.54 | owen1 | craigevil: awesome! |
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| 23:16.11 | nsadmin | pielgrzym, hmm. how would you fix that? |
| 23:16.26 | TCW | owen1, maybe not... but as it will not do any harm install xserver-xorg-video-ati too and xorg.conf was on the "ToDo-list from the start, so... maybe not an issue, no :) |
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| 23:16.59 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | am i looking at samba for having a chain of usb devices on a debian server show up in windows? |
| 23:17.06 | owen1 | TCW: ok. should i install the -ati now? before rebooting? |
| 23:17.13 | nsadmin | pielgrzym, is the machine you're upgrading a domU? |
| 23:17.22 | TCW | owen1, dunno... it does no harm... so... |
| 23:17.24 | pielgrzym | nsadmin: you add extra="clocksource=jiffies" into domU config :) this is just a very forgotten machine that didn't have that ;) |
| 23:17.32 | pielgrzym | nsadmin: yup |
| 23:17.37 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | whoa busy ^.^ |
| 23:17.44 | TCW | owen1, and did you remove (move away) xorg.conf? |
| 23:17.48 | owen1 | TCW: and what about the xorg.conf? it's configured with dual x now to support my external monitor. should i touch it? |
| 23:17.53 | owen1 | TCW: no |
| 23:17.59 | owen1 | TCW: should i remove it now? |
| 23:18.04 | TCW | move it away |
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| 23:18.09 | RainbowDashh | I know this is a dumb question but is it OK to mix Debian and Ubuntu packages? |
| 23:18.11 | TCW | not remove, move! :) |
| 23:18.12 | owen1 | ok |
| 23:18.20 | craigevil | RainbowDashh, NO never |
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| 23:18.42 | RainbowDashh | Even if it's something minor like dh-modaliases |
| 23:18.42 | TCW | owen1, mv xorg.conf xorg.conf-fglrx-conf or similar |
| 23:18.44 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | RainbowDashh, sure |
| 23:18.54 | ompaul | RainbowDashh: that is not a question, you didn't ask a question, don't even have that idea again ever block it. |
| 23:18.58 | ruli | RainbowDashh: sometimes |
| 23:18.58 | owen1 | TCW: ok |
| 23:19.03 | tensorpudding | RainbowDashh, sometimes you can take a package designed for one and make it work on the other, but it's not something you ought to do if you don't know what you're doing |
| 23:19.16 | nsadmin | ComraDerpy[DFP], not sure exactly what you're after... you want two machines to talk to each other thru storage? or storage available on two machines? |
| 23:19.23 | RainbowDashh | Thanks! |
| 23:19.35 | craigevil | RainbowDashh, take the source and build a proper Debian package |
| 23:19.47 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | i have a netbook and you know the linux manifest of doing things cheaply sometimes... i want a usb hard drive and internal atapi dvd+rw in windows |
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| 23:20.30 | tensorpudding | there's just enough genetic drift there to allow for problems |
| 23:20.35 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | like i dont know if it will buffer underrun if i burn a dvd through ethernet or what |
| 23:20.48 | owen1 | TCW: rebooting now. cross fingers! |
| 23:20.52 | TCW | ComraDerpy[DFP], exporting a DVD-RW drive to burn remotely does not work |
| 23:20.59 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | k |
| 23:20.59 | TCW | owen1, wait! :) |
| 23:21.08 | owen1 | TCW: ok |
| 23:21.30 | owen1 | i think i can restart x, no need for full reboot |
| 23:21.33 | TCW | owen1, first install a text-irc client and make sure you have net-access even without X :) |
| 23:21.50 | owen1 | TCW: i use weechat-ncurses |
| 23:22.01 | tensorpudding | the build systems are the same, the problems could usually come from mismatches in dependency versions |
| 23:22.17 | owen1 | i think i should have net access without x..is there a reason not to? |
| 23:22.20 | craigevil | owen1, you will still need a xorg.conf for dual monitors |
| 23:22.24 | owen1 | TCW: ^^ |
| 23:22.31 | TCW | owen1, do you use network-manager? |
| 23:22.32 | owen1 | craigevil: oh |
| 23:22.48 | owen1 | TCW: wicd-curses |
| 23:22.50 | TCW | craigevil, not necesarrily |
| 23:23.31 | TCW | owen1, ok... then reboot and report back |
| 23:23.38 | owen1 | TCW: ok |
| 23:23.50 | TCW | X restart is probably not enough |
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| 23:24.41 | TCW | craigevil, or do you have the same hardware as owen1 and know that xrandr does not work perfectly on that machine? |
| 23:25.15 | craigevil | nope, it may work |
| 23:25.36 | TCW | I don't have on any radeon / nouveau boxes a xorg-conf file left and on all dualhead works like a charm |
| 23:26.01 | pielgrzym | the guy who created "--fix-broken" feature of apt is probably Gandalf or some other superhero. this switch saves the day! |
| 23:26.04 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | thinks what to do with this headless acer recalled aspire |
| 23:26.07 | TCW | even with the right resolutions :) |
| 23:26.14 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | besides a Tor facilitator |
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| 23:28.44 | INFORMED | our economic model and the environment cannot coexist. |
| 23:28.48 | nsadmin | !ops INFORMED spam |
| 23:28.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: INFORMED spam |
| 23:28.56 | ComraDerpy[DFP] | cute |
| 23:29.02 | INFORMED | nsadmin: You Listen Up. |
| 23:29.13 | dvs | That's new |
| 23:29.17 | nsadmin | yessss? |
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| 23:32.58 | owen1 | TCW: craigevil when i boot i see what/gray screen. tried safe mode but got the same. tried hitting alt+f# didn't do anything as well. |
| 23:33.20 | owen1 | (i am chatting from another machine, btw) |
| 23:33.32 | owen1 | what/white |
| 23:33.35 | TCW | owen1, does ssh work? |
| 23:34.20 | mun | i'm on 64bit oneric and when i run 'sudo apt-get install libpng12-0:i386' i get an error saying 'Breaks: libpng12-0:i386 (!= 1.2.46-3ubuntu1.3) but 1.2.46-3ubuntu1 is to be installed' can the 64bit and 32bit of libpng12 not coexist? |
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| 23:34.27 | TCW | owen1, and when did the screen turn white/grey? Was there any text-messages on the screen after grub-menu? |
| 23:34.29 | owen1 | TCW: let me try accessing it from this machine(my desktop). i am not sure i know the private ip of my laptop. i can guess.. let me try |
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| 23:34.54 | owen1 | TCW: there was some text. but nothing in red. i can take a look again if you want. |
| 23:35.00 | TCW | owen1, dhcp? Maybe the dhcp server has a log file |
| 23:35.24 | TCW | owen1, or if in doubt: nmap -sP 192.168.0.* or whatever your network is |
| 23:35.42 | owen1 | TCW: yeah, i'll guess something in that area |
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| 23:39.42 | owen1 | TCW: nmap is awesome, btw. but i don't see my laptop there. |
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| 23:40.09 | colR | has anyone noticed dhclient isn't running with -nw on boot recently? |
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| 23:40.23 | colR | or is it just me? |
| 23:40.31 | TCW | owen1, then maybe the box is not up "enough" and did crash? |
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| 23:40.41 | owen1 | TCW: might be |
| 23:41.02 | TCW | owen1, so, what about my question WHEN the screen turned white/grey? |
| 23:41.19 | colR | also: where is dhclient called from in the boot sequance? grep dhc /etc/init.d/* gives no results |
| 23:41.20 | craigevil | mun, ask in #ubuntu this is #debian |
| 23:41.23 | owen1 | TCW: i don't remember. i can try again and pay carefull attention |
| 23:41.49 | TCW | owen1, good idea! ;) |
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| 23:43.06 | peterrooney | !tell mun about cross post |
| 23:43.21 | owen1 | TCW: saw about 4 lines..i remember init |
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| 23:43.45 | owen1 | TCW: i can try again and again.. until i'll have all the lines |
| 23:43.51 | TCW | owen1, so grub, a few lines after it and then... crash? |
| 23:44.00 | owen1 | TCW: yeah |
| 23:44.16 | TCW | owen1, and in "safe" mode? The same? |
| 23:44.26 | owen1 | TCW: yeah |
| 23:45.27 | TCW | owen1, reboot, enter grub edit mode (hit "e" I think) change that modeset=1 thing to modset=0 and try again |
| 23:46.14 | owen1 | ok |
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| 23:47.34 | owen1 | TCW: i don't see modset |
| 23:48.03 | TCW | owen1, what do you see there? |
| 23:48.16 | owen1 | insmod gzio |
| 23:48.22 | owen1 | insmod part_msdos |
| 23:48.26 | owen1 | insmod ext2 |
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| 23:48.34 | TCW | no no... just the kernel line |
| 23:48.37 | owen1 | set root='(hd0, msdos1)' |
| 23:49.06 | owen1 | TCW: the last line? with initrd? |
| 23:49.19 | TCW | I guess the line before that |
| 23:49.19 | dvs | starts with "linux" |
| 23:49.29 | TCW | yeah, should start with "linux" |
| 23:50.19 | TCW | probably a line with "ro quit" in it as well |
| 23:50.42 | TCW | quiet even |
| 23:51.17 | owen1 | TCW: linux /boot/mlinuz-3.2.0-2-amd64 root=UUID=de bla bla bla bla ro quiet |
| 23:51.55 | TCW | owen1, ok, add "nomodeset" there |
| 23:52.36 | owen1 | ok. |
| 23:52.46 | TCW | or was it modeset=0? Or do both work? :) if n doubt... test it :) |
| 23:52.56 | owen1 | boot with f10? |
| 23:53.10 | owen1 | f2 = command line. f10 = boot |
| 23:53.20 | TCW | I don't see a grub screen here, if it is written there to hit F10 to boot, yes :) |
| 23:53.30 | owen1 | ok |
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| 23:54.02 | owen1 | TCW: didn't help..(: gray screen of death |
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| 23:54.38 | TCW | owen1, very weird |
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| 23:54.52 | TCW | owen1, did you test modeset=0? |
| 23:55.05 | owen1 | TCW: no. let me try |
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| 23:56.44 | owen1 | TCW: didn't work. |
| 23:56.52 | TCW | owen1, then this "radeon.modeset=0" :) |
| 23:57.11 | owen1 | TCW: i am suppose to add it at the end of that line, right? |
| 23:57.47 | TCW | owen1, right, a whitespace between quiet and the new entry |
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| 23:58.45 | owen1 | modprob not found. it's working now! |
| 23:59.22 | owen1 | TCW: i saw modprob not found line. and i see my regular login prompt. now i usually type startx |
| 23:59.30 | TCW | funny... KMS broken again on radeon? |
| 23:59.32 | owen1 | but i guess it will crash if i'll try that |
| 23:59.40 | TCW | owen1, try what? |
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| 23:59.55 | TCW | ah, startx? No, that should work |
| 23:59.58 | owen1 | TCW: startx |