| 00:00.02 | owen1 | really? let me see |
| 00:00.19 | TCW | and if it crashes we have a few things to check then, so don't worry :) |
| 00:00.37 | owen1 | i get /etc/x11/xinit/xserverrc: 3 exec /usr/bin/X: not found |
| 00:00.55 | TCW | O_o |
| 00:01.03 | TCW | that is radeon-unrelated |
| 00:01.04 | owen1 | xinit: giving up. unable to connect to X server: connection refused |
| 00:01.19 | TCW | is /usr/binX there? |
| 00:01.30 | owen1 | i saw some red errors on boot, btw |
| 00:01.55 | TCW | owen1, do you remember which errors? |
| 00:02.15 | owen1 | TCW: binX does not exist |
| 00:02.26 | TCW | owen/usr/bin/X |
| 00:02.29 | owen1 | i think i saw KMS but not sure |
| 00:02.31 | TCW | owen1, /usr/bin/X |
| 00:02.53 | owen1 | TCW: doesn't exist |
| 00:03.05 | TCW | owen1, no idea how... but you did remove xorg ;) |
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| 00:03.18 | owen1 | TCW: yeah, let me verify |
| 00:03.32 | brontosaurus | I just ran "tasksel install desktop" on wheezy and got KDE. I'm morally certain I did this a week ago and got GNOME. |
| 00:03.51 | TCW | owen1, xserver-xorg: /usr/bin/X |
| 00:04.01 | owen1 | TCW: xorg.conf is not there. the folder xorg.conf.d exist btw |
| 00:04.16 | TCW | owen1, I am not talking if a config file |
| 00:04.21 | TCW | s/if/of/ |
| 00:04.33 | owen1 | TCW: so what r u talking about? |
| 00:05.01 | TCW | owen1, xorg as in "the xserver that drives your fancy desktop environment" |
| 00:05.12 | TCW | the binary, the package |
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| 00:05.21 | owen1 | let me see with dpkg |
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| 00:06.00 | TCW | at least xserver-xorg is the name of the package that provides the file /us/bin/X |
| 00:06.08 | TCW | usr even |
| 00:06.12 | owen1 | TCW: i see rc |
| 00:06.20 | owen1 | next to xserver-xorg |
| 00:06.30 | TCW | owen1, that means "removed" |
| 00:06.34 | owen1 | (: |
| 00:06.48 | owen1 | why can't they say it explicitly (: |
| 00:06.53 | TCW | owen1, so read what apt* does the next time :p |
| 00:06.55 | owen1 | should install it? |
| 00:07.05 | TCW | yes |
| 00:07.15 | nsadmin | rc means also the configuration files remain |
| 00:07.38 | TCW | nsadmin, don't confuse owen1 :) |
| 00:08.06 | stripe | good call TCW |
| 00:08.08 | owen1 | this is a great educational journy |
| 00:08.13 | owen1 | journey |
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| 00:08.28 | owen1 | ok. got xserver-xorg installed |
| 00:08.31 | owen1 | the package |
| 00:08.35 | TCW | owen1, reading documentation too! :p |
| 00:08.52 | owen1 | restart? |
| 00:08.57 | TCW | startx |
| 00:09.15 | TCW | maybe other packages got removed as well... but we will see that... shortly :) |
| 00:09.24 | owen1 | failed to load module ati, |
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| 00:09.28 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.31 | owen1 | fbdev |
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| 00:10.07 | TCW | owen1, check if ssh works now, and work from that working box now... way easier for the next steps :) |
| 00:10.30 | owen1 | TCW: 1 sec |
| 00:10.44 | TCW | ip a s to get the IP-address |
| 00:11.28 | owen1 | TCW: ssh is not running on the laptop. let me install / run it |
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| 00:14.57 | owen1 | TCW: ok. i am ssh into the laptop |
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| 00:15.11 | TCW | owen1, install pastebinit |
| 00:15.20 | owen1 | ok |
| 00:16.11 | owen1 | done |
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| 00:16.29 | TCW | owen1, pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:16.42 | brontosaurus | Has anybody else had the "desktop" tasksel target install KDE rather than GNOME? |
| 00:17.05 | TCW | brontosaurus, did it install both... maybe? |
| 00:17.18 | brontosaurus | TCW no, it definitely did not install GNOME, just KDE |
| 00:17.30 | brontosaurus | And I've checked my .history, I did type "desktop" not "kde-desktop" |
| 00:17.43 | ExcaliburCHoove | well ive at least got smb sharing on a dvd drive now. wikkid cool B) |
| 00:17.46 | TCW | no idea then |
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| 00:20.11 | owen1 | TCW: http://paste.debian.net/170209/ |
| 00:20.42 | nsadmin | I want to try burning cds again... what to install? |
| 00:21.24 | nsadmin | I had xcdroast before, doesn't seem to be available |
| 00:21.31 | brontosaurus | That reminds me: has anybody looked at porting OpenBSD's cdio to Linux? |
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| 00:21.43 | dvs | nsadmin: I like k3b |
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| 00:21.58 | craigevil | ,versions xcdroast |
| 00:21.59 | judd | Package: xcdroast on i386 -- lenny: 0.98+0alpha15-11.2; sid: 0.98+0alpha16-1 |
| 00:22.00 | nsadmin | hmm, I had k3b before |
| 00:22.01 | TCW | owen1, is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed? |
| 00:22.06 | owen1 | TCW: no |
| 00:22.14 | nsadmin | it's in sid? |
| 00:22.15 | TCW | owen1, install it |
| 00:22.21 | TCW | nsadmin, yes |
| 00:22.29 | TCW | nsadmin, or try brasero |
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| 00:22.38 | TCW | simpler interface |
| 00:22.51 | nsadmin | , depends brasero |
| 00:22.52 | judd | Package brasero in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libbrasero-media0 (= 2.30.3-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.12), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.15), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.20.0), |
| 00:22.53 | judd | libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libnautilus-extension1 (>= 2.30), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsm6, libtotem-plparser17 (>= 2.30.1), libtracker-client-0.8-0 (>= 0.8.0), libunique-1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), gstreamer0.10-plugins-base (>= 0.10.0), gnome-icon-theme, gvfs, brasero-common (>= 2.30), brasero-common (<< 2.31). |
| 00:23.19 | craigevil | xfburn, cdrskin, k3b, brasero |
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| 00:23.36 | raiding | depends k3b |
| 00:23.42 | raiding | , depends k3b |
| 00:23.43 | judd | Package k3b in squeeze/i386 -- depends: kdebase-runtime, libc6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libk3b6 (= 2.0.1-2), libkcddb4 (>= 4:4.3.4), libkde3support4 (>= 4:4.4.4), libkdecore5 (>= 4:4.4.4-2~), libkdeui5 (>= 4:4.4.4), libkfile4 (>= 4:4.4.4), libkio5 (>= 4:4.4.4), libknotifyconfig4 (>= 4:4.4.4), libkparts4 (>= 4:4.4.4), libkutils4 (>= 4:4.4.4), libmusicbrainz4c2a (>= 2.1.5), libqt4-dbus (>= |
| 00:23.44 | judd | 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-qt3support (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-webkit (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libsolid4 (>= 4:4.4.4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), k3b-data (= 2.0.1-2), wodim | cdrskin, cdparanoia, cdrdao, genisoimage, hal. |
| 00:23.58 | nsadmin | it's a kde thing |
| 00:24.01 | raiding | very cool |
| 00:24.28 | nsadmin | also you can /msg judd depends k3b |
| 00:24.41 | nsadmin | you can do all four there so you can see |
| 00:24.51 | craigevil | also bashburn |
| 00:24.53 | owen1 | TCW: startx works! thank you. should i try to reboot just to make sure? |
| 00:25.21 | TCW | maybe you want to make the nomodeset thing permanent? |
| 00:25.23 | raiding | nice |
| 00:25.31 | raiding | apt-get is out of work *g* |
| 00:25.58 | owen1 | TCW: are u sure it's not going to work without it? |
| 00:26.01 | TCW | owen1, so edit that file in /etc/modprobe.d/ we talked about before and change the file |
| 00:26.10 | TCW | owen1, for the moment, yes |
| 00:26.25 | craigevil | edit /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf |
| 00:26.33 | amphorion | kms did work well... i think |
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| 00:26.49 | TCW | amphorion, not for owen1 |
| 00:26.58 | brontosaurus | I pretty much boot with nomodeset on any system that doesn't have Intel or Trident |
| 00:27.04 | ExcaliburCHoove | okay need a quick tipper from some pro's. a mostly web only firewall based say suppose in a library, is it safe to put a service of my choosing on 8080? |
| 00:27.10 | craigevil | has options radeon modeset=1 |
| 00:27.21 | duser | hi all. i was playing with apt-pinning but apt wants to remove those packages i want to upgrade! anyone who can tell me why i don't understand anything at all? :D |
| 00:27.21 | amphorion | me too |
| 00:27.24 | owen1 | craigevil: that's the line i see there |
| 00:27.33 | TCW | owen1, change the 1 to a 0 |
| 00:27.36 | duser | my /etc/preferences: http://pastebin.com/rZmgGxMj |
| 00:27.42 | owen1 | TCW: ok |
| 00:27.48 | duser | my response: http://pastebin.com/sB0pJ0a6 |
| 00:27.53 | TCW | owen1, and update the initrd again, as before |
| 00:27.58 | ExcaliburCHoove | i can get webchat.freenode.net if that helps. id like that here at home |
| 00:28.18 | owen1 | TCW: how to update initrd? hit e in the grub? |
| 00:28.27 | duser | do i think it works the opposite? |
| 00:28.30 | TCW | owen1, no... |
| 00:28.31 | amphorion | update-initramfs |
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| 00:28.49 | TCW | owen1, we did that before... I hoped you rememberd the command :) |
| 00:28.52 | duser | sorry, /etc/apt/preferences |
| 00:29.09 | TCW | owen1, update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 00:29.26 | owen1 | TCW: i havn't run this command before |
| 00:29.47 | craigevil | duser, why are you using pinning? |
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| 00:30.34 | TCW | owen1, oh... and update-grub as well |
| 00:30.37 | nsadmin | TCW, I guess I'd need those project things, but also to write raw images |
| 00:30.53 | owen1 | TCW: so run those 2 commands in terminal, correct? |
| 00:31.02 | TCW | owen1, as root, correct |
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| 00:31.32 | duser | craigevil: cause i'd like to have a dist-upgrade that upgrades just a couple of packages to testing an the rest to stable, is it possible? |
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| 00:32.05 | craigevil | use backports instead |
| 00:32.34 | duser | craigevil: do they permit that? |
| 00:32.36 | brontosaurus | If it's something you want it's probably backported |
| 00:33.01 | craigevil | ,versions chromium |
| 00:33.02 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 18.0.1025.168~r134367-1 |
| 00:33.05 | brontosaurus | duser here's the fun of GPL: it doesn't matter what people permit or not |
| 00:33.21 | brontosaurus | (except for redistributing binaries without source) |
| 00:33.47 | craigevil | duser, add backports, and mozilla.debian.net , remove all pinning |
| 00:34.35 | duser | can you give me a well-done doc page? |
| 00:36.22 | TCW | owen1, what desktop environment do you use? |
| 00:36.26 | nsadmin | craigevil, of bashburn, xfburn, cdrskin, k3b, brasero, are there any that stick out for you? and what sticks out? |
| 00:36.58 | owen1 | TCW: none. i use awesomeWM. i am done with the 2 commands. |
| 00:37.13 | craigevil | im a kde user so i use k3b, never could get bashburn to work |
| 00:37.55 | TCW | owen1, oh... you know what randr / xrandr is? |
| 00:38.02 | owen1 | TCW: yeah |
| 00:38.10 | owen1 | used them before. |
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| 00:38.20 | owen1 | TCW: should i try rebooting? |
| 00:38.22 | TCW | "them"? :) |
| 00:38.31 | TCW | owen1, yeagh |
| 00:38.33 | owen1 | yeah |
| 00:38.42 | owen1 | sorry i meant arandr |
| 00:38.52 | craigevil | duser, take a look at https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/howto-get-newer-package-versions-for-debian-stable-34611/ |
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| 00:40.15 | TCW | owen1, I guess you need that second display not always? |
| 00:40.25 | owen1 | TCW: correct. 1 sec. rebooting |
| 00:41.30 | duser | sorry but... what apt pinning is for? |
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| 00:42.37 | nsadmin | is there a difference in how to cause a filesystem significantly smaller to come to take up all the space in the containing storage? (at least ext234) |
| 00:42.53 | craigevil | duser, http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 00:43.25 | nsadmin | like I guess e2resize works for at least ext2 |
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| 00:43.44 | duser | i'm soory but to me it seems i need apt-pinning and not the backports way... |
| 00:43.49 | nsadmin | wait that's not the name, resize2fs |
| 00:44.16 | craigevil | apt-pinning causes more problems than it solves |
| 00:44.25 | duser | maybe i'm wrong with apt-pinning is exactly what i'm asking for, isn't it? |
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| 00:45.41 | owen1 | TCW: ok. life is good so far. startx is fine. before i figure out a way to configure the monitor i want to make sure i understnand what i did, so if i'll have to install my laptop, i'll know what to do. so i start with netinst of debian wheezy, install xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-ati. do i need to tweak the grub by typing e when it boots and change the radeon-kms.conf and |
| 00:45.43 | owen1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.24 | owen1 | or by installing the 3 packages above, i should be good to go? |
| 00:46.29 | duser | can you please tell me if those file i posted are wrong or if the response i have is anomalous? |
| 00:46.47 | echo083 | command to see remaining write available for a ssd harddrive ? |
| 00:46.54 | duser | because i think i'm doing all right |
| 00:46.56 | TCW | owen1, that depends on the way you install debian. If you run the normal installer from cd or usb, then just disableing KMS needs to be done for the moment. That is a bug that should be reported and will get fixed sooner or later. |
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| 00:47.43 | duser | maybe you could give me an hint to understand better |
| 00:47.45 | owen1 | TCW: ok. so the tweak we did in the grub text was to disable kms? |
| 00:48.08 | TCW | owen1, xorg is a bunch of packages more than the one you installed, but they depend on each other, so just make sure xorg / xserver-xorg is there and all should be ok |
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| 00:48.29 | owen1 | TCW: |
| 00:48.31 | owen1 | thanks |
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| 00:49.16 | TCW | owen1, yes.... and that update-grub / update.initramfs thing plues editing /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf thing before mad "disable KMS" permanent |
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| 00:50.03 | owen1 | TCW:ok. how do i get the monitor to work as well? arandr? |
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| 00:50.44 | TCW | owen1, pop it in... if you are lucky it should just "work" |
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| 00:51.08 | owen1 | TCW: i am not |
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| 00:51.36 | TCW | owen1, then every *randr utility you want to use should do the job... |
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| 00:53.42 | owen1 | TCW: ok. works, but i got the same issue i had with the non-free driver. how to set up my monitor to use it's max resulotion without overlapping the built-in screen? is my best option is x server on each? |
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| 00:54.12 | TCW | owen1, I don't know if I understand you correctly |
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| 00:54.52 | duser | do anyone knows why the behavior is the opposite to what i was expecting? :) |
| 00:55.12 | duser | *does anyone know :D |
| 00:55.16 | Devastator | the behavior of..? |
| 00:55.18 | owen1 | TCW: in arandr, i see 2 boxes, each one represent a monitor. |
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| 00:55.37 | owen1 | TCW: if i chose the best resolution for each of them, they overlap |
| 00:55.41 | TCW | owen1, maybe arandr just sucks? try xrandr on the command line |
| 00:55.49 | owen1 | TCW: ok |
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| 00:56.06 | duser | Devastator: of my apt-pinning experience. i posted a couple of file some rows above... |
| 00:56.15 | TCW | owen xrandr --auto may just work as you want |
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| 00:56.22 | owen1 | Cthulhux: so my problem is not related to dual x server vs 1? |
| 00:56.25 | owen1 | TCW: ^^ |
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| 00:56.31 | owen1 | Cthulhux: sorry. wrong nick |
| 00:56.33 | Cthulhux | hi? |
| 00:56.51 | TCW | owen1, probably not |
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| 00:59.40 | duser | any experience with apt-pinning? no one? |
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| 01:00.25 | nsadmin | duser a polite thing you can do is find out all you can offline |
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| 01:00.56 | nsadmin | then your questions will be -specific- rather than "any ideas? any experience?" |
| 01:00.59 | duser | i thought i gave more prioriry to two packages and apt wants to remove them, is this normal? |
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| 01:02.33 | duser | i read pages of apt pinning for hours, i posted all the infos, i'm quite desperate :) i think i deserve at least an opinion :) |
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| 01:06.07 | TCW | owen1, does xrandr work? |
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| 01:09.11 | MachinaeWolf | How would I go about installing the last stable kernel on stable? |
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| 01:10.13 | Darkbulb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.34 | Darkbulb | never mind |
| 01:10.47 | dvs | MachinaeWolf: If you have the security repo setup, then it should already be installed by running "aptitude update: aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 01:10.57 | WinstonSmith | strange error ;) |
| 01:11.08 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm which repo is that? |
| 01:11.19 | dvs | !security |
| 01:11.19 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 01:11.55 | MachinaeWolf | checking my list |
| 01:12.32 | MachinaeWolf | Wait I do have one listed as Debian Security |
| 01:12.51 | MachinaeWolf | uncomment it out I guess? |
| 01:13.01 | dvs | \yes |
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| 01:14.39 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm idk why they weren't uncommented out before |
| 01:15.22 | duser | excuse me, anyone has any experience with apt-pinning? i'm not sure of the aptitude output... |
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| 01:15.45 | dvs | duser: Then paste the output of aptitude |
| 01:16.11 | duser | my /etc/apt/preferences: http://pastebin.com/rZmgGxMj |
| 01:16.22 | duser | my aptitude response: http://pastebin.com/sB0pJ0a6 |
| 01:17.26 | MachinaeWolf | The newer kernel won't break squeeze? |
| 01:17.28 | duser | it seems that aptitude wants to remove exactly those packages i want to keep testing |
| 01:17.53 | dvs | MachinaeWolf: nope |
| 01:18.09 | MachinaeWolf | k |
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| 01:19.33 | duser | dvs: could you tell if is there something i misundertood or not? |
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| 01:20.30 | dvs | duser: I don't use apt pining because I never mix versions |
| 01:20.42 | MachinaeWolf | Wait I had the deb one uncommented already, but the deb-src part was commented uncomment that anyways? |
| 01:21.10 | duser | dvs: no problem, maybe someone else uses it, thanks anyway :) |
| 01:21.17 | MachinaeWolf | ^^ on the debian security repo |
| 01:21.39 | dvs | MachinaeWolf: The deb-src can remain commented out |
| 01:21.40 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, if you nedd the source code of those packages, yes |
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| 01:22.20 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm well then in that case dvs I still don't see the 3.3.6 kernel |
| 01:22.32 | MachinaeWolf | ^ I heard that was the newest latest stable kernel |
| 01:22.59 | dvs | ,kernel |
| 01:23.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.16-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 01:23.09 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, err? Stable upstream you mean? |
| 01:23.19 | kbar | wow wheezy is on 3.2 already |
| 01:23.30 | MachinaeWolf | stable as in stable kernel but not technically debian stable |
| 01:23.33 | MachinaeWolf | if that makes sense |
| 01:23.45 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, that means stable upstream |
| 01:23.54 | MachinaeWolf | k |
| 01:23.59 | TCW | the lastest stable relase of kernel.org |
| 01:24.34 | MachinaeWolf | So how would I go about installing that for debian stable? |
| 01:24.38 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, and where is the confusion? Why should there be a bleeding edge kernel in Debian Stable? |
| 01:24.42 | dvs | MachinaeWolf: The 3.3.x kernel won't be put into debian for quite some time |
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| 01:24.55 | MachinaeWolf | oh... |
| 01:25.19 | MachinaeWolf | hmm well I thought that'd be easier than trying to compile newer video drivers to see if that helps my system crashing |
| 01:25.23 | dvs | MachinaeWolf: 3.2.x is the best you can hope for |
| 01:25.27 | tensorpudding | i thought i saw 3.5 in there somewhere |
| 01:25.37 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae <- in backports |
| 01:25.41 | MachinaeWolf | well I have that dvs but I still have the issue there |
| 01:25.45 | tensorpudding | suggests that they'll put 3.4 in wheezy or something |
| 01:26.04 | MachinaeWolf | yeah I have that one TCW |
| 01:26.07 | MachinaeWolf | brb |
| 01:26.33 | dvs | tensorpudding: according to the release managers, wheezy will release with 3.2 |
| 01:26.33 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, what is the issue you have with that kernel? |
| 01:26.34 | tensorpudding | maybe i misread |
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| 01:28.08 | duser | this is another interesting output: http://pastebin.com/6jbkFwYw |
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| 01:28.53 | duser | "apt-cache policy" says they will be updated, but "dist-upgrade" wants to remove them! |
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| 01:34.24 | spacebat | ugh, I just ran a dist-upgrade with /tmp mounted noexec |
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| 01:35.27 | spacebat | now apt-get seems to think everything is installed fine, but I have my doubts |
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| 01:41.01 | MachinaeWolf | k back |
| 01:41.08 | mentor | spacebat: Reinstall those packages |
| 01:41.42 | MachinaeWolf | TCW, randomly after a while of using the computer the whole system will freeze up |
| 01:42.03 | MachinaeWolf | I heard my particular driver doesn't work well with a couple drivers or something like that |
| 01:42.44 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, what driver / hardware? |
| 01:43.19 | MachinaeWolf | Graphics: Card Intel Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.10.4 Res: 1366x768@60.0hz |
| 01:43.19 | MachinaeWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.43 | TCW | ah, sandy bridge stuff |
| 01:43.46 | MachinaeWolf | yep |
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| 01:45.22 | MachinaeWolf | I was going to try the latest stable video driver and see if that helps |
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| 01:45.32 | MachinaeWolf | Which I have to compile and install manually |
| 01:46.03 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, the kernel may not be enough, you know that? |
| 01:46.30 | MachinaeWolf | well it was worth a try *shrugs* |
| 01:47.33 | MachinaeWolf | Think a newer driver would help? |
| 01:47.42 | TCW | debian stable may just not be the perfect pick for the most recent hardware :) |
| 01:47.56 | MachinaeWolf | darn :/ |
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| 01:49.26 | dizzylizzy | so what like |
| 01:49.28 | dizzylizzy | umount the usb |
| 01:49.45 | dizzylizzy | dd if=~/the-iso.iso of=/dev/sdc1 |
| 01:50.15 | dvs | dizzylizzy: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:50.43 | dizzylizzy | write an installation ISO to a usb for booting |
| 01:50.51 | MachinaeWolf | Well back to trying a newer driver is this normal TCW? http://pastebin.com/UBxW9mX2 |
| 01:51.00 | MachinaeWolf | ^^ a dependency of it |
| 01:51.00 | dvs | dizzylizzy: leave off the "1" |
| 01:51.03 | owen1 | I try to set up my extarnal monitor using xrander. debian wheezy, xrander version 1.3.5, radeon driver. here is the command i run 'xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output HDMI-0 --auto --above LVDS'. i get: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1366x1366 (desired size 1366x1792). I read online that i should add a line in xorg.conf. something like than? 'Virtual 1366 1792'. the issue is i don't even have |
| 01:51.05 | owen1 | xorg.conf. any ideas? |
| 01:51.12 | dizzylizzy | dvs: ah right, since that's a partition... just the raw device |
| 01:51.21 | dizzylizzy | I should just check the debian installation manual really |
| 01:51.23 | dvs | yup |
| 01:52.10 | TCW | MachinaeWolf, no idea... |
| 01:52.50 | MachinaeWolf | hmm well I'm not installing any of that until I know if that's an issue or anything |
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| 01:57.23 | owen1 | how to increase the virtual size of the display if i don't use xorg.conf? |
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| 02:01.41 | LtL | owen1: this may help you, http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg |
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| 02:03.38 | nsadmin | owen1, the server (X) can generate a config which it places in your home dir |
| 02:03.44 | duser | excuse me, anyone has any experience with apt-pinning? i'm not sure of the aptitude output... |
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| 02:04.20 | owen1 | nsadmin: got it. that's what Xorg -configure does? |
| 02:05.00 | nsadmin | yes, then try to start X using that config to see if it actually works |
| 02:05.14 | owen1 | ok |
| 02:05.35 | nsadmin | if it does it should contain either defaults or what it detects |
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| 02:29.46 | dutchfish | kephra, as far as i know http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gamin/news/20060812T173656Z.html |
| 02:30.07 | dutchfish | kephra, and http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gamin.html |
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| 02:32.03 | kephra | thanks dutchfish |
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| 02:46.56 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | Has anyone here run into issues with debian and host resolution stemming from ipv6? |
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| 02:49.30 | jelly-home | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: yes. |
| 02:50.59 | roboman2444 | alright... when i try to boot, i get a comreset errno = -16 |
| 02:51.28 | roboman2444 | it loads the ramdick, but then it tries to get init, and just gives me that |
| 02:51.32 | roboman2444 | loading, please wait... |
| 02:51.44 | roboman2444 | sata4 comreset errno =-16 |
| 02:53.48 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | How did you fix your problems? I've attempted to disable it at the kernel level but i'm still having issues with xchat which makes me wonder if there is another way to fix it |
| 02:54.37 | jelly-home | if you don't have ipv6 at all, disabling it ought to make the resolver ignore it, Isaiahhhhh-Windo |
| 02:54.41 | jelly-home | !disable ipv6 |
| 02:54.41 | dpkg | From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 02:55.03 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | how do you add that to the bootloader? |
| 02:55.25 | roboman2444 | so, any luck with the errno? |
| 02:55.58 | roboman2444 | !disable synaptic |
| 02:56.00 | roboman2444 | !disable synaptics |
| 02:56.04 | roboman2444 | !disable synaptics-touchpad |
| 02:56.15 | jelly-home | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: for grub2, edit /etc/default/grub, add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, and rerun /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 02:56.46 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | ok thank you |
| 03:01.21 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | ok so in the file it says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" do I put the command ipv6.disable=1 in between the quotes that are there? |
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| 03:04.18 | jelly-home | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: correct |
| 03:04.25 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | thank you |
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| 03:05.03 | jelly-home | it's a space separated list of linux kernel boot parameters |
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| 03:06.03 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | so it should looke like this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1" |
| 03:06.07 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | look* |
| 03:07.19 | jelly-home | pretty much |
| 03:07.57 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | other lines have 'code' instead of "code" |
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| 03:13.22 | roboman2444 | so... any help on my comreset problem? |
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| 03:14.48 | roboman2444 | is there a bios option to help? |
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| 03:39.00 | roboman2444 | so... comreset failed? |
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| 03:58.26 | unferth | so, whenever i type "google" followed by something in google chrome, a linux mint custom search comes up. i'm running debian. it's kind of odd. |
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| 03:58.33 | KeatonT | Quick question |
| 03:58.49 | KeatonT | Required-Start |
| 03:58.52 | KeatonT | what is later |
| 03:58.55 | KeatonT | 0 or 5 |
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| 04:01.44 | KeatonT | anyone? |
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| 04:03.55 | owen1 | i want to use my extenal monitor, but it looks like i have to extend the virtual screen size. in order to do that i have to add the dimentions of the virtual display in xorg.conf. i don't have this file and try to generate it with 'Xorg -configure'. when running it i get an error but it generate the xorg file - http://paste.debian.net/170224. am i suppose to put this file in /etc/X11 ? i |
| 04:04.16 | owen1 | is this file valid? i don't know the error since it's in tty1 and i am already running X. |
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| 04:07.09 | Diopter | owen1: What kind of GPU and what drivers are you using? |
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| 04:08.01 | owen1 | Diopter: xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 04:08.10 | owen1 | not sure where to find GPU info |
| 04:08.20 | g0dfrey | lspci? |
| 04:08.25 | Devastator | lspci --vv | grep VGA |
| 04:08.44 | owen1 | VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] |
| 04:08.59 | Diopter | Cool. So you haz a Radeon. |
| 04:09.15 | owen1 | also, i would like to try 2 seperate x servers. 1 for each monitor. |
| 04:09.37 | owen1 | it will be nice to have the option to do that, and see if i like it better than 1. |
| 04:09.40 | Diopter | owen1: Your simplest solution is likely to just use xrandr |
| 04:09.52 | Diopter | And enable the second screen and auto the size |
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| 04:10.07 | g0dfrey | sometimes the command "/etc/init.d/networking stop" can not close the interface eth0 (ipv6 only) |
| 04:10.20 | owen1 | Diopter: i tried, but my virtual display is not big enought, so i need to add an entry in my (non existance) xorg.connf |
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| 04:10.48 | g0dfrey | has anyone had the same problem ever? |
| 04:11.21 | owen1 | Diopter: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1366x1366 (desired size 1366x1792) |
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| 04:12.00 | Diopter | owen1: What exactly did you try with xrandr? |
| 04:12.03 | owen1 | Diopter: so i need to add 'Virtual 1366x1366' |
| 04:12.14 | owen1 | Diopter: xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output HDMI-0 --auto --above LVDS |
| 04:12.14 | Diopter | owen1: Because it looks like you're doing something wrong |
| 04:12.59 | owen1 | Diopter: my built-in screen is 1366x768 and my external is 1280x1024 |
| 04:13.15 | Diopter | Odd |
| 04:13.27 | owen1 | so total height is 1792 |
| 04:13.43 | Diopter | Right, but that limitation on size is odd. |
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| 04:14.35 | owen1 | Diopter: i am ok to try to x servers. is it possible to do that with xrandr? |
| 04:14.40 | owen1 | to=2 |
| 04:15.04 | ComraDerpy | X :1 |
| 04:15.11 | Diopter | owen1: Just spawn a second server. |
| 04:15.18 | owen1 | Diopter: how? |
| 04:15.24 | ComraDerpy | ie. X -configure :1 but i dont know what youre doing yet |
| 04:15.41 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: are u talking to me? |
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| 04:16.51 | ComraDerpy | if you have the patience for a xorg config with spanning monitors, its actually quite nice |
| 04:16.51 | ComraDerpy | 7yes |
| 04:16.51 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: i don't even have xorg.conf |
| 04:16.59 | ComraDerpy | ill just let you continue. its done by launching /usr/X11R6/bin/X (i think its in there) with :1 or :2 for a third |
| 04:17.03 | ComraDerpy | :0 is first server |
| 04:17.59 | ComraDerpy | if you run `who' you should se a user on :0 (if it still does that too lol) |
| 04:18.19 | ComraDerpy | or in ps aux |
| 04:18.56 | ComraDerpy | mind explaining the problem to me anyways? :) |
| 04:19.06 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: bash: /usr/X11R6/bin/X: No such file or directory |
| 04:19.10 | ComraDerpy | damn |
| 04:19.10 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: yeah, |
| 04:19.12 | ComraDerpy | which x |
| 04:19.16 | ComraDerpy | which X |
| 04:19.24 | owen1 | i am trying to setup an external monitor. |
| 04:19.37 | ComraDerpy | i been doing X since 3.3.6 |
| 04:19.40 | owen1 | i would like to try single x but also 2 x servers. |
| 04:19.56 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: which x return nothing |
| 04:20.04 | ComraDerpy | so another server on external screen? |
| 04:20.07 | ComraDerpy | capital X |
| 04:20.17 | Diopter | The crappy part of 2 x servers is that you're not going to automatically get mouse/keyboard goin across your server boundaries. |
| 04:20.41 | Diopter | Plus you have to point X apps at your second server's DISPLAY specifier |
| 04:20.43 | owen1 | Diopter: oh. so my mouse will not be available on the external monitor? |
| 04:20.53 | ComraDerpy | you could VNC |
| 04:21.05 | Diopter | owen1: 2 servers != xinerama or virtual screen |
| 04:21.08 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: ok. so i guess i didn't understand 2 x servers. |
| 04:21.10 | owen1 | oh |
| 04:21.32 | ComraDerpy | Xfree and Xorg have builtin VNC packeting |
| 04:21.47 | owen1 | i remember doing it in the past and i had 2 set of identical ui. each with it's own apps open, and the mouse moved freely. |
| 04:22.06 | ComraDerpy | you could run a headless X server not just for you but anyone :) |
| 04:22.11 | owen1 | so i guess i don't want 2 x servers! |
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| 04:22.30 | owen1 | i want my external monitor to work. |
| 04:22.47 | ComraDerpy | what kind of hardware gpu are we looking at? |
| 04:23.00 | owen1 | whether i have 1 menu on the top or each monitor got it's own menu, i don't care at the moment. |
| 04:23.02 | gnarface | *sigh* wine requires versions of libtiff and libjpeg that are in direct conflict on debian SID. bogus. |
| 04:23.33 | roboman2444 | so... nobody has any tips for the comreset failed? |
| 04:23.39 | ComraDerpy | KDE does really good at xrandr plus seperate desktops |
| 04:23.40 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] |
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| 04:24.24 | ComraDerpy | with that desktop appliance you can draw your own two monitors and share a mouse |
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| 04:24.50 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: i don't use a desktop environment. only a window manager. |
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| 04:25.33 | ComraDerpy | well i could help with blackbox\fluxbox because it does in windows that it does in X as well |
| 04:25.48 | ComraDerpy | i bet you just had a really slick .Xdefaults |
| 04:26.56 | Diopter | owen1: Me either. I use Xmonad. |
| 04:27.26 | owen1 | Diopter: nice. so what do u do for external monitor? |
| 04:27.35 | owen1 | i can make it work by reducing the resulotion, |
| 04:27.42 | owen1 | but than, what's the point of using it? |
| 04:28.11 | ComraDerpy | theres a gui xrandr app i was using with lxde, grandr i think |
| 04:28.35 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: i used arandr. but i get the same errror of virtual size not enought. |
| 04:28.36 | ComraDerpy | my frankenstein toshiba with dsub and composite |
| 04:28.42 | owen1 | arandr is just gui for xrandr |
| 04:28.57 | Diopter | owen1: Well, on my current setup, my work desktop has an ATI card as well that hooks to two monitors. I just ran xrandr from my .xinitrc |
| 04:29.23 | owen1 | Diopter: can u share the parameters? |
| 04:29.45 | Diopter | owen1: It's identical to what you tried. Which is why I said I found your issue odd :P |
| 04:29.48 | ComraDerpy | speculate your gpu, monitor with desired resolutions |
| 04:29.52 | owen1 | Diopter: oh |
| 04:30.22 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: my built-in screen is 1366x768 and my external is 1280x1024 |
| 04:30.33 | Diopter | owen1: Do you have an xorg.conf currently? |
| 04:30.58 | owen1 | Diopter: no. i don't have xorg.conf, but tried to generate it with Xorg -configure . |
| 04:31.08 | owen1 | http://paste.debian.net/170224 |
| 04:31.46 | owen1 | this was the generated file, but i got some errors in the tty1 while it was generated. not sure how to print stuff from tty1, so i can't tell u what the errors were. |
| 04:32.26 | owen1 | wheezy (and sid) doesn't come with xorg, i believe. |
| 04:32.29 | Diopter | owen1: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:33.05 | ComraDerpy | that generated config is junk |
| 04:33.41 | owen1 | Diopter: ComraDerpy here is /var/log/Xorg.0.log- http://paste.debian.net/170225 |
| 04:33.43 | Diopter | Shouldn't need to generate a config for your purposes. |
| 04:33.50 | ComraDerpy | you need a driver, and in ServerLayout you need Screen 0 left of Screen 1 or something |
| 04:34.32 | owen1 | Diopter: according to some online docs i need to specific virtual display big enough. |
| 04:34.46 | ComraDerpy | give Xorg some mercy and supply a driver :) |
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| 04:35.08 | ComraDerpy | vesa nope.... fbdev nope.... eww |
| 04:35.40 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: is the driver is an arugment i am suppose to pass to Xorg command? |
| 04:35.45 | ComraDerpy | nope |
| 04:36.07 | ComraDerpy | if i had X installed and you told me your laptop model and screen brand id make one |
| 04:36.22 | ComraDerpy | lolol |
| 04:36.24 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: lenovo x120e |
| 04:37.06 | Diopter | owen1: You can mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf, add: Section "Device" \n Identifier "Radeon" \n Driver "radeon" \n EndSection |
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| 04:37.14 | Diopter | owen1: And toss any xorg.conf |
| 04:39.15 | ComraDerpy | Diopter, and by chance radeonhd is now xf86-video-ati? |
| 04:39.43 | owen1 | Diopter: great. i am adding Virtual 1366x1792 |
| 04:39.48 | ComraDerpy | i been out in the boonies (actually nvidia land) since radeonhd underwent develpment |
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| 04:41.03 | Diopter | I just use the Intel on my ThinkPad W520 |
| 04:41.13 | Diopter | Turn off the nvidia and I get 12 hours of battery life |
| 04:41.28 | ComraDerpy | i cant even install linux on my favorite computer >.< |
| 04:41.34 | owen1 | Diopter: can i restart x or should i reboot? |
| 04:41.39 | Diopter | I'm off though. Later, good luck |
| 04:41.42 | Diopter | owen1: Restart X is sufficient |
| 04:41.44 | ComraDerpy | acer aspire one 722... amd c-60 radeon 6290 64bit |
| 04:41.44 | owen1 | (i added Virtual entry as well) |
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| 04:42.25 | ComraDerpy | hmpf, thought atheros was synonymus with linux |
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| 04:43.11 | ComraDerpy | the beauty of lxde |
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| 04:44.15 | ComraDerpy | and stuff.. man. :* |
| 04:45.48 | owen1 | Diopter: i can't run startx now. i get: Virtual is not a valid keyword in this section. i guess it's in the wrong spot.. |
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| 04:46.37 | r3m | Hi, is there a famous alternative to iptables, but a lot more easy to configure, not neccesary a GUI, and well documented |
| 04:46.46 | ComraDerpy | virtual isnt randr |
| 04:46.51 | ComraDerpy | so gotta use randr |
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| 04:47.17 | ComraDerpy | why the for jeebus doesnt arandr help ya? |
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| 04:48.42 | ComraDerpy | split the boxes, (left of right of taken care of), set resolution per monitor (seperate real estate in conjunction with .Xdefaults and window manager init scripts) |
| 04:48.50 | Serj_Tankian | No se la respuesta... |
| 04:49.16 | Serj_Tankian | What's up? |
| 04:49.34 | ComraDerpy | owen1, and how you installed xorg makes a difference too |
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| 04:50.36 | Serj_Tankian | No se la respuesta... |
| 04:50.58 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: arandr is erroring : http://paste.debian.net/170227/ |
| 04:51.09 | ComraDerpy | 3 possibilities to your seperate window manager enviroments are, 1. xrandr 2. X on a different head 3. X headless VNC |
| 04:51.46 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: yeah. i think i am trying #1 so i have to add Virtual somewhere in my xorg.conf |
| 04:51.54 | ComraDerpy | ew thats disgusting, goes and washes hands -> http://paste.debian.net/170227/ |
| 04:51.56 | ComraDerpy | ;) |
| 04:51.59 | ComraDerpy | ;) |
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| 04:52.10 | Serj_Tankian | What's up? |
| 04:52.19 | Serj_Tankian | Hi! |
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| 04:52.40 | Serj_Tankian | debian |
| 04:52.49 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: "add a "Virtual 2048 2048" line in SubSection "Display" to create a large virtual screen" http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
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| 04:53.10 | Serj_Tankian | What? |
| 04:53.11 | ComraDerpy | they are two different aspect ratio's won't work |
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| 04:53.43 | ComraDerpy | like hell you need virtual to even get remotely close to setting up xrandr |
| 04:53.47 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: i need to put it inside SubSection "Display" |
| 04:53.52 | ComraDerpy | xrandr is really easy, should learn it |
| 04:54.02 | ComraDerpy | virtual wont work with xrandr |
| 04:54.33 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: xrandr --output LVDS --auto --output HDMI-0 --auto --above LVDS it's working now |
| 04:54.38 | ComraDerpy | xrandr --output DVI --left-of --output LVDS1 or something like that |
| 04:55.01 | ComraDerpy | cool B) |
| 04:55.09 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: maybe because i added the file 20-radeon.conf ??? |
| 04:55.11 | ComraDerpy | dont spoil it |
| 04:55.27 | ComraDerpy | maybe |
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| 04:55.57 | ComraDerpy | factory override here with xorg.conf. mr.depreciation |
| 04:56.32 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: i noticed i have 2 separete screens, i don't think i can drag and drop an app from the external to the bulit-in or visa versa. |
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| 04:58.05 | ComraDerpy | you can disconnect them with xrandr i think |
| 04:58.11 | ComraDerpy | like you oopsed it |
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| 05:00.22 | ComraDerpy | hrm, those switches on your randr look fine |
| 05:00.53 | ComraDerpy | you haz bigger one now |
| 05:01.02 | owen1 | (: |
| 05:01.09 | ComraDerpy | now if some acer freak would help me with my aspire one!! :) |
| 05:02.58 | ComraDerpy | i swear ill install netbsd on it... *plays with proverbial matchbox |
| 05:03.21 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: do u remember how to enable 'move an app to other screen' using xrander? |
| 05:03.24 | owen1 | xrandr |
| 05:03.30 | ComraDerpy | nope. |
| 05:04.00 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: what's the formal term for this? it will help my google foo |
| 05:04.40 | ComraDerpy | lol im starting to sound pathetic, but im assuming some sort of window spawning technique |
| 05:04.56 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: (: sounds good |
| 05:05.52 | ComraDerpy | owen1, im basically looking for something like meego but with ubuntu repos. i thought id build one from debian |
| 05:06.00 | ComraDerpy | or XBMC |
| 05:06.13 | ComraDerpy | something like that |
| 05:06.36 | ComraDerpy | my atheros wifi halts the cpu |
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| 05:09.25 | gnarface | anyone know how to get a libjpeg*-dev and libtiff*-dev package both installed at once on debian sid that wine will acknowledge the existence of? |
| 05:09.31 | gnarface | much appreciated any tips |
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| 05:12.22 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: sorry i had to google for meego (: |
| 05:12.52 | owen1 | ComraDerpy: it looks like the future of meego is https://www.tizen.org/ |
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| 05:41.01 | cads | hey guys, after an apt-get update I get three error lines |
| 05:41.07 | cads | all of them in the spirit of: |
| 05:41.11 | cads | N: Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension |
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| 05:42.05 | cads | these are all packaged I've installed from third party debs, and I'd like to keep their .list files in ../sources.list.d, so they stay updated |
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| 05:42.18 | cads | I can delete the .save files to stop the messages |
| 05:42.35 | cads | they return after doing an upgrade, however |
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| 05:44.02 | cads | I tried a fix from the internet, where I added a file 99ignoresave to my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d directory, with the text Dir::Ignore-Files-Silently:: \"(.save)$\"; |
| 05:44.24 | cads | however, after doing that apt-get update would produce an immediate segfault |
| 05:46.17 | simonlnu | your syntax is probably a little off |
| 05:46.25 | simonlnu | or, you found a bug |
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| 05:52.46 | cads | simonlnu, fair enough |
| 05:54.59 | simonlnu | i haven't seen such errors here, though i run wheezy or sid |
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| 05:56.52 | cads | so the error was that I did echo 'Dir::Ignore-Files-Silently:: \"(.save|.distUpgrade)$\";' > ... |
| 05:57.07 | cads | with singlequotes instead of doublequotes |
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| 05:57.43 | cads | so the \" didn't mean 'escaped doublequotes', it was literally added to the file as \" |
| 05:58.04 | me-1 | hi...is icewasel firefox..? and how to install flash player for ice wasel and how to install chromium browser |
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| 06:00.00 | gnarface | me-1: yes, iceweasel is firefox |
| 06:00.11 | gnarface | me-1: there should be a flash player in non-free |
| 06:01.11 | gnarface | dpkg: tell me-1 about adobe flash |
| 06:01.13 | me-1 | gnarface, how can i install flash throuh apt-get |
| 06:01.39 | gnarface | me-1: the dpkg bot should have just told you how to find that out |
| 06:02.15 | me-1 | ok thank you . let me try |
| 06:03.01 | jagginess | !multimedia |
| 06:03.02 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>, <why not dmm>. |
| 06:03.27 | jagginess | me-1, ^ what dpkg said, then flash should be available (also you can google: "debian wiki flash") |
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| 06:04.50 | finch | Hello folks, I'm working on a network config provider for puppet, and I'm having some issues with the 'allow-hotplug' value. Has that been superceded by udev for bringing up interfaces on the fly? |
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| 06:07.26 | jagginess | finch, it seems dbus/nmcli is supposed to be suceeding ifdownup in the future.. but I don't know if that'll happen.. |
| 06:08.54 | jagginess | i'm guessing ifdownup relates more closely to udev than dbus |
| 06:09.09 | finch | jagginess: pardon my ignorance, but does networkmanager respect /etc/network/interfaces? I can't recall |
| 06:09.29 | jagginess | no.. interfaces is for the traditional ifdownup.. |
| 06:09.54 | finch | I didn't think so, thanks |
| 06:10.06 | jagginess | if you want to control everything with ifdownup, you should disable NetworkManager (which is a dbus feature) from controlling those interfaces -- |
| 06:10.30 | finch | That's generally what I've done, or I've switched to wicd |
| 06:10.32 | jagginess | there's an "ifdownup" setting in NetworkManager.conf somewhere.. |
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| 06:11.13 | finch | Although your mentioning of networkmanager just reminds me that I should hack up a provider for that as well. |
| 06:11.18 | jagginess | i simply add the mac-address field that can't be touched by NM.. i prefer to use ifdownup |
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| 06:12.00 | finch | How is networkmanager state stored, for that matter? |
| 06:12.52 | jagginess | it uses directories like <connectioname>__.xxx .. it makes profile names in /etc i think, but I do know it does in ~ .. |
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| 06:13.49 | jagginess | ideally for servers i don't know if NM does a good job, because a user needs to logon for the network interface to get an ip.. I bet it can, but haven't had success in the past, and just resorted to ifdownup |
| 06:14.16 | finch | Wait, you're kidding |
| 06:14.32 | jagginess | you can find all it's documentation , dgpk -L <networkmanager> |
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| 06:14.32 | finch | A user has to log in for NM to bring up interfaces? That's mindblowing |
| 06:14.43 | finch | oh, god I should have done that sooner. thanks |
| 06:15.02 | finch | I'm so focused on this one piece of the puzzle that I forgot about that |
| 06:15.13 | jagginess | ya.. but I don't know or have looked deep in doing it global wide.. without users logging in.. |
| 06:15.25 | finch | jagginess: many thanks for your help |
| 06:16.04 | jagginess | finch, nm looks promising though.. i like the control/status you can get fron the nmcli and other nm* commands |
| 06:16.42 | jagginess | finch, you know the gnome network controls? that's a parallel to the nm* commands.. |
| 06:17.19 | jagginess | not many people know how to use nmcli.. but i can see it superceeding ifdownup if they keep working on it |
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| 06:17.33 | finch | jagginess: to be honest, I only run debian on servers. These days I'm one of those sick twisted folks on a mac, and before that I did gentoo and used wicd |
| 06:17.40 | jagginess | in other words, if you prefer to use NM, you don't use ifup and ifdown commands |
| 06:17.55 | jagginess | (and hence don't use the interfaces file) |
| 06:17.58 | finch | yeah |
| 06:18.25 | finch | This isn't so much for my personal use so much as adding puppet support for network configuration |
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| 06:18.34 | finch | So I'm looking at this from a developer perspective |
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| 06:36.13 | jpinx | where is the list of installed packages? - Somewhere like /etc/apt/dpkg/foo/bar but I forget where.,... |
| 06:36.55 | aypea[0] | dpkg -l :) |
| 06:36.56 | dpkg | ii :) 2.2-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:37.01 | aypea[0] | heh |
| 06:37.28 | aypea[0] | otherwise I think it's the active file from memory. could be wrong. |
| 06:38.35 | peterrooney | jpinx: probably /var/lib/dpkg/status\ |
| 06:41.19 | jpinx | thanks peterrooney that was what I was searching my memory for ;) |
| 06:43.07 | jpinx | aypea[0]: thanks for those pointers - I'll try them too :) |
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| 06:57.49 | hguify | Hello! I'm installing Debian and it couldn't configure the DHCP networking. What do you suggest should I do? Configure it manually? If I do that it seems it requires an IP adress but my ISP gave me an dynamic IP connection so I don't have a permanent IP. |
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| 07:01.11 | Jaggz- | how do I set some environment variables then run sudo mytestbin which is a compiled C program which requires access to those env vars? |
| 07:02.10 | Jaggz- | I'm sudo'ing to the user from which the binary would run normally |
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| 07:08.31 | LordShiva | hguify, you dont need your public IP for local dhcp in installation |
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| 07:09.23 | hguify | Then what type of IP should I need? |
| 07:09.36 | Jaggz- | http://superuser.com/questions/232231/how-do-i-make-sudo-preserve-my-environment-variables |
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| 07:10.22 | LordShiva | You need address of your router :) |
| 07:10.42 | LordShiva | your local ip address |
| 07:10.58 | LordShiva | What are you using ADSL Cable or Wireless |
| 07:11.00 | hguify | And how I find that? |
| 07:11.57 | LordShiva | Do you have router thru whom you connect to the internet ? |
| 07:12.07 | LordShiva | hguify, ? |
| 07:12.47 | hguify | No! |
| 07:12.57 | hguify | I have only a cable |
| 07:13.36 | hguify | And I connect it directly to my computer |
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| 07:13.58 | EmleyMoor | OK - and where is the other end of the cable? |
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| 07:16.31 | LordShiva | I never used cable internet :) |
| 07:16.45 | hguify | Outside of my apartment. |
| 07:16.52 | LordShiva | Did it have some modem or router on other side ? |
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| 07:17.08 | LordShiva | Are you get some data from your ISP about IP's ? |
| 07:17.13 | LordShiva | What was it ? |
| 07:17.59 | EmleyMoor | As a rule, the cable modem is in the house... they tend to connect via ethernet or USB to the computer and with co-axial cable to the TV/data port/splitter |
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| 07:19.13 | hguify | I'm not really sure. if it's a router but my ISP provides internet for about 20 apartments and I guess it's a single fiber optics cable outside. And I guess my cable it's not a fiber octics one and it's retrieving data from the iber octics one. |
| 07:19.48 | EmleyMoor | If it's a single router for 20 dwellings, that's odd |
| 07:20.06 | LordShiva | You need to call your ISP and ask him for few settings :) |
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| 07:21.06 | LordShiva | Ask him for your local address your netmask and your gateway :) With that info you can setup manually internet connection thru Cable internet |
| 07:21.29 | EmleyMoor | How are you connected now? |
| 07:22.30 | hguify | I have 1 desktop computer with windows XP and one laptop on which I'm trying to install Debian |
| 07:22.31 | LordShiva | for dhcp you would only need cable connected to your computer and while installing click on try automatic network configuration hguify |
| 07:22.54 | EmleyMoor | Is the XP machine connected to this cable? |
| 07:22.55 | LordShiva | Did you connect internet cable straight but straight to laptop |
| 07:23.18 | LordShiva | not to windows XP and then to laptop I mean straight to laptop |
| 07:23.23 | hguify | Right now, yes |
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| 07:23.30 | LordShiva | disconect it |
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| 07:23.36 | LordShiva | and connect laptop |
| 07:23.40 | hguify | I have only one cable. I cant use it for both |
| 07:24.00 | EmleyMoor | hguify: You might be able to add a switch or hub, but otherwise it's one at a time |
| 07:24.02 | LordShiva | You need it for debian cause debian have its own dhcp server |
| 07:24.31 | LordShiva | and then configure debian as your local server gateway and connect via lan cable your XP machine |
| 07:24.47 | EmleyMoor | Indeed, that's another way... |
| 07:24.49 | Jaggz- | with sudoers: how can I make it so user "jaggz" can run foobar binary as user bamboo? |
| 07:25.05 | Jaggz- | I tried jaggz ALL=(bamboo) foobar but I get a syntax error |
| 07:25.06 | LordShiva | EmleyMoor, He can make a dhcp server on debian and run xp over debian machine |
| 07:25.48 | EmleyMoor | LordShiva: Indeed he can, if the Debian box has two ethernet interfaces |
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| 07:27.10 | LordShiva | If you want to pass that step in installation take your cable from XP machine and put it on your laptop try autoconfigure my network it should work fine now and finish install and then decide did you want to have debian connected or linux and put cable on machine you choose |
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| 07:27.34 | EmleyMoor | If his incoming connection can support more than one machine then a hub or switch would do - but using the Debian box as a router would allow it anyway |
| 07:27.42 | hguify | automatic network configuration .Well that's what I tryed and it was by the default what the installation tryed and didn't worked. The only available option seems to configurate it manually |
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| 07:28.08 | EmleyMoor | hguify: What did you do on the XP box to get it to work? |
| 07:28.16 | LordShiva | Yes that is correct he can buy or external ethernet device like some ethernet to usb or buy a switch :) |
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| 07:28.35 | LordShiva | And one and other need a bit of setting up later |
| 07:28.51 | hguify | To get the internet work on Xp? |
| 07:28.59 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 07:29.19 | LordShiva | You need to connect cable to laptop when you trying auto configuration |
| 07:29.38 | hguify | Nothing special.. I only installed the windows and I set up a connection with an Username and a password that I received from my ISP |
| 07:29.51 | EmleyMoor | Oh, there's a username and password? |
| 07:29.59 | hguify | Yes |
| 07:30.10 | Devastator | pppoe :) |
| 07:30.42 | LordShiva | that he will do later with installing ppoe and pppoe-config |
| 07:31.26 | hguify | Thec username is alphanumeric. Only the first 2 characters al uppercase letters, the rest of the characters are numbers. Also the password it's made out of numbers. |
| 07:31.49 | hguify | Yes it's pppoe |
| 07:31.53 | LordShiva | try to plug out cable from XP and connect it to laptop wait about 20 seconds and then try to autoconfigure network on installation |
| 07:32.20 | owen1 | how to persist my dns server that i entered in /etc/resolv.conf/ |
| 07:32.22 | owen1 | ?? |
| 07:32.40 | LordShiva | Ok you can make it like this also you can install with random settings for your network and later reconfigure |
| 07:33.13 | LordShiva | owen1, make resolv.conf immutable :p |
| 07:33.16 | hguify | And if it will not work? :) I left the cable connected to my laptop for even a longer amount of time and it didn't work.. |
| 07:33.27 | EmleyMoor | has never worked with pppoe |
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| 07:33.52 | hguify | But the bad thing is that I will loose the connection to freenode |
| 07:34.02 | hguify | :( |
| 07:34.15 | LordShiva | ok you can get back later again on XP to freenode |
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| 07:34.39 | Devastator | hguify you are on xp right? |
| 07:34.47 | hguify | yes |
| 07:34.56 | LordShiva | You can try to call your ISP for the data |
| 07:35.08 | LordShiva | yes he can try to find it in network connections |
| 07:35.22 | Devastator | hguify hold on a sec |
| 07:36.10 | LordShiva | I forgot where to exactly lookup for his router and gateway on XP ? |
| 07:36.35 | LordShiva | Uhh that was centuary's ago when I was still using some XP machine |
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| 07:37.32 | hguify | But the thing is, I'm not in country with native english speaking population.. So i don't know if they will understand what is the local address, netmask and gateway... Can you say a liittle more about each so that the ISP operator understands? |
| 07:38.02 | EmleyMoor | hguify: What is the local language? |
| 07:38.15 | hguify | Romanian:) |
| 07:38.17 | LordShiva | They need to know that are basic networking terms |
| 07:38.27 | LordShiva | If they work as ISP they need to know |
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| 07:39.09 | LordShiva | Oh you are in EU they know it they even know in my country Serbia you are a Neighboor |
| 07:39.55 | hguify | I hope sa but I hope that when I ask them about "local address" they will not reply "what local address? I don't know what address are you talking about" |
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| 07:40.15 | Devastator | hguify when you boot from the cd you have a boot prompt correct? |
| 07:40.33 | EmleyMoor | You need an ISP like Andrews & Arnold <g> |
| 07:40.47 | LordShiva | local address is address on the other side of cable two machines or connected and each interface have one of the reserved IP addresses |
| 07:41.00 | Devastator | hguify this should help you: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds05.html |
| 07:41.31 | LordShiva | Netmask and gateway are settings to make your connection work :) |
| 07:41.59 | hguify | I don't boot from a CD. |
| 07:42.12 | hguify | I boot from a Kingston memory stick |
| 07:42.14 | LordShiva | he is installing |
| 07:42.17 | hguify | 4 GB |
| 07:42.19 | EmleyMoor | hguify: Well, do the same for whatever it is you do boot from |
| 07:42.52 | EmleyMoor | For the purposes of the install, it works the same as a CD |
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| 07:43.36 | LordShiva | Yes I forgot that debian have module for pppoe on install time |
| 07:43.50 | LordShiva | Start again hguify installation on laptop |
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| 07:45.07 | LordShiva | and when you are asked for additional modules add a module ppp-udeb make surte you have it checked before continue with installation |
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| 07:45.48 | EmleyMoor | might be wanting to have a go with pppoe himself at some point |
| 07:45.58 | EmleyMoor | ... when I get FTTC again, maybe |
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| 07:48.00 | mah454 | I have problem with debian testing . when acpi=off : my gfx card (Intel i915) not work . without this option in grub : Kernel Crash ! |
| 07:48.36 | hguify | I did a full Debian Install yesterday( but of course I was not able to connect to the internet). And as far as I remember I was asked for "modules"(I'm not sure that those were modules) at the end of the installation. Not before the DHCP configuration |
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| 07:49.56 | EmleyMoor | hguify: No, those would not be modules - more likely tasks or packages |
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| 07:50.15 | LordShiva | no start again keep partitioning scheme but format all partitions that you use in installation |
| 07:51.04 | EmleyMoor | hguify: Is this an install of stable? Which image did you put on the stick? |
| 07:51.16 | LordShiva | or you can try this to download packages from internet install it and then make connection |
| 07:51.30 | cassavuota | i have a sound playing every 1-2 minutes. it sounds like a kde notification bell, i have no idea where it comes from - and it's driving me nuts. with which log files can i determine the source of that evil? thanks in advance |
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| 07:52.10 | LordShiva | cassavuota, you have some notification turned on probably for mail |
| 07:52.20 | LordShiva | what desktop you use cassavuota |
| 07:52.31 | cassavuota | kde from unstable |
| 07:52.53 | LordShiva | Can be internet messanger or mail probably |
| 07:52.53 | Devastator | hguify boot with the pendrive, select install or graphical install but DON'T HIT ENTER YET, hit TAB, put modules=ppp-udeb at the end of the line, then hit enter |
| 07:53.31 | cassavuota | LordShiva: i have no such things running on this machine but will check |
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| 07:54.07 | LordShiva | Devastator, its easier for him to start installation and then when it ask him for modules mark with asterisk module he need |
| 07:54.30 | LordShiva | Maybe you have notification for irc chat :D cassavuota |
| 07:54.46 | cassavuota | can't i see in a log which file has been played? |
| 07:54.57 | cassavuota | irssi here, LordShiva |
| 07:55.08 | Devastator | LordShiva i think it's harder, but whatever.. |
| 07:55.33 | LordShiva | Dunno I use xchat cassavuota |
| 07:55.59 | cassavuota | no sounds, no nothing by default in irssi |
| 07:56.15 | cassavuota | first i thought it's a website, but it wasn't |
| 07:57.04 | LordShiva | Look at the moment you hear notification did you get a mail or something like that :) |
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| 07:58.05 | cassavuota | LordShiva: nothing like that, sir. i had checked this before i came here |
| 07:58.12 | LordShiva | You can on KDE go to the Command Centre and sound settings and try to change from ALSA to OSS or NAS and get it back to alsa to see if it will stop cassavuota |
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| 07:59.26 | LordShiva | Look for what app is running now open task manager and look for some app that run in background and check it for notification cassavuota |
| 07:59.34 | nguyil | Hello again. I'm the guy with the DHCP problem on the debian install.! My Xp blocked and I lost the discussion. |
| 07:59.52 | Devastator | hguify boot with the pendrive, select install or graphical install but DON'T HIT ENTER YET, hit TAB, put modules=ppp-udeb at the end of the line, then hit enter |
| 07:59.57 | nguyil | Can someone please paste them to pastebin or Ideone? |
| 07:59.58 | LordShiva | I just because of taht too many application thing use Xfce not KDe but I love KDE and KDE apps |
| 08:00.29 | nguyil | Devastator: I'm hguify |
| 08:00.33 | Devastator | nguyil sorry, I send to your older nick, did you understand what has to be done? |
| 08:01.00 | Devastator | nguyil I've just tested and it works |
| 08:01.38 | EmleyMoor | nguyil: If you're still stuck, tell me what image you put on the stick - but Devastator's method should work nicely |
| 08:01.39 | nguyil | Yes, there's no problem. Can you or someone else paste the discussion to pastebin and give me the link to it? I lost all your indication right now :-s |
| 08:01.59 | LordShiva | here is paste http://pastebin.com/keuXPd9c |
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| 08:03.02 | nguyil | Thanks a lot. |
| 08:03.35 | LordShiva | No problem |
| 08:03.35 | Devastator | nguyil the step by step i just typed is all you need, I guess.. |
| 08:03.58 | nguyil | But I also lost the part were I was online. and your definition for gateway, local are and netmask |
| 08:04.06 | EmleyMoor | Once booted with that line, it ought to proceed more or less as normal. |
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| 08:04.14 | c4pt | hi I was wondering if i could get some help |
| 08:04.27 | c4pt | I am trying to use my onboard sound which is intel hda audio |
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| 08:04.33 | EmleyMoor | nguyil: You should not now need those details anyway |
| 08:04.38 | c4pt | and i am trying to use a sb x-fi card |
| 08:04.56 | EmleyMoor | c4pt: Let me guess - not working or only partially working? |
| 08:04.57 | c4pt | when i have the sb x-fi card in the system the intel hda audio disappears from lspci |
| 08:05.04 | EmleyMoor | Ah |
| 08:05.15 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, well when i take the sb x-fi out of the computer the intel hda works again |
| 08:05.15 | krababbel | c4pt: that is normal |
| 08:05.15 | EmleyMoor | You need to change a BIOS setting to fix that |
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| 08:05.28 | nguyil | EmleyMoor. Yesterday I used debian-6.0.5-amd64-CD-1 |
| 08:05.34 | nguyil | And now I am using |
| 08:05.41 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, what bios setting? |
| 08:05.46 | nguyil | debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst |
| 08:06.02 | nguyil | Bios setting? |
| 08:06.03 | Devastator | nguyil you don't need gateway, netmask, nothing, just put modules=ppp-udeb at the end of install or graphical install line |
| 08:06.28 | c4pt | krababbel, so what should i do? |
| 08:06.39 | EmleyMoor | c4pt: There will be one in there relating to "Enable onboard audio" - three modes common, disable, auto and enable. Needs to be at enable to make both the onboard and the card work at the same time |
| 08:06.46 | krababbel | nothing, mainboard works like that c4 |
| 08:06.49 | fasta | Does the Debian upgrade mechanism work the same as the Ubuntu mechanism in that it randomly pops up questions and halts the upgrade process while waiting for an answer? |
| 08:06.55 | EmleyMoor | nguyil: BIOS settings are not for you |
| 08:07.20 | LordShiva | new paste |
| 08:07.22 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/LQHqXdkf |
| 08:07.30 | krababbel | EmleyMoor: usually you can't have both cards |
| 08:07.34 | EmleyMoor | c4pt: If there is no such (or similar) option, you're SOL |
| 08:07.40 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, oh ok |
| 08:07.44 | EmleyMoor | krababbel: I have experience of this |
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| 08:07.45 | c4pt | I guess I will look |
| 08:07.54 | krababbel | EmleyMoor: me too, didn't work |
| 08:07.55 | fasta | Why doesn t it just ask all those questions at the beginning or the end? |
| 08:08.12 | LordShiva | look nguyil you can start install from stick |
| 08:08.18 | LordShiva | and be on irc :) |
| 08:08.20 | EmleyMoor | krababbel: Usually did for me, but had one machine where it kept reverting to "Auto" |
| 08:08.48 | krababbel | good if some mainboards support it then :) |
| 08:08.57 | LordShiva | no need to connect cable while you doing install till you came to point configure network |
| 08:09.05 | krababbel | c4pt: what sounchip is onboard? |
| 08:09.20 | EmleyMoor | fasta: ? |
| 08:09.24 | c4pt | krababbel, alc 262 i think |
| 08:10.02 | krababbel | or 'what codec' aas they call it. the newer realtek chips are quite good, rivals the x-fi. |
| 08:10.05 | LordShiva | You can start from stick and when ask you for what sort of install to make you choose Expert installation nguyil |
| 08:10.16 | peterrooney | fasta: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, for better understanding. |
| 08:10.36 | LordShiva | you need to choose expert so that you can choose modules ... |
| 08:10.37 | krababbel | c4pt: x-fi isn't worth it, druivers are nonexistent, and that fastest chip ever just sits there |
| 08:11.16 | fasta | peterrooney: so, then I can say that it just writes a little report with all the configuration files that the maintainer changed and otherwise just answers yes to all questions? |
| 08:11.21 | Devastator | LordShiva he doesn't need expert |
| 08:11.30 | c4pt | ill be back |
| 08:11.36 | EmleyMoor | I recently unnecessarily added a sound card to my system - it exhibited the same fault as the onboard one, only faster! |
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| 08:12.03 | LordShiva | ok yeah it can do on normal module installation is actually asked allways just not use auto installation |
| 08:12.52 | krababbel | does debian install pulseaudio by default? |
| 08:13.01 | Devastator | no |
| 08:13.06 | krababbel | in desktop, no? ok |
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| 08:13.53 | nguyil | I 'll exit now from freenode. I will connect again in about 10 minutes. I'll try Devastator's method! |
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| 08:14.44 | fkm | test |
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| 08:24.13 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, have someone a tip to a good and easy FTP server on Debian Squeeze? |
| 08:25.29 | gnarface | Krigsforbryter: the best one is built into openssh-server, which you probably already have installed |
| 08:26.12 | Krigsforbryter | ok, tnx gnarface :) |
| 08:26.40 | Krigsforbryter | but isnt that SFTP? |
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| 08:28.29 | gnarface | Krigsforbryter: yes actually, but most decent ftp programs also support sftp these days. you wouldn't even know the difference except that you'll get hacked less often |
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| 08:29.28 | gnarface | Krigsforbryter: if you need stuff like public anonymous chrooted no-ssh, ftp-only style account setups, it does that too and its still easier to configure than any actual FTP server |
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| 08:30.16 | Krigsforbryter | gnarface: i know the difference between SFTP and FTP and want FTP :) |
| 08:30.57 | gnarface | Krigsforbryter: well then you are a fool |
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| 08:33.26 | me-1 | hi..how to install flash player for iceweasal (debian squeeze) |
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| 08:33.52 | streuner | me-1: /msg dpkg flash |
| 08:34.06 | gnarface | streuner: i tried that on him about 6 hours ago |
| 08:34.45 | gnarface | streuner: i don't think he's much of a reader. i didn't ask what his first language was though. |
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| 08:35.17 | Devastator | his host is weird .0?! |
| 08:35.24 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, you were right on the money with that |
| 08:35.32 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, the last place i would think would be the bios settings |
| 08:36.01 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, when i put the sb x-fi card into the system the bios turned off the internal audio i didnt see the option it was sort of hidden |
| 08:36.15 | streuner | gnarface: Islamabad, Pakistan |
| 08:36.16 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, but i enabled it now and all of the audio devices are working thank you |
| 08:36.25 | xeberdee | Hi. ? Trying to format with XFS - File system tools not installed. I need xfsprogs? |
| 08:37.05 | gnarface | streuner: is there a channel for ... uh, whatever language they speak there? its embarrassing but i actually don't know |
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| 08:37.11 | c4pt | bbl |
| 08:37.16 | c4pt | EmleyMoor, thank you again |
| 08:37.41 | streuner | gnarface: i never heard of pk channel |
| 08:38.43 | xeberdee | yes you do :) |
| 08:39.08 | gnarface | streuner: well, wikipedia says more than 60 languages are spoken there so... i'm not gonna be able to help him |
| 08:41.00 | streuner | me-1: please read http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree ; install flashplugin-nonfree, you need contrib in your /etc/apt/sources.list in order to get that package |
| 08:41.21 | fasta | If I tell debconf to don't ask me non-critical questions. What does it do in the 'a maintainer changed some configuration file'-case? |
| 08:42.15 | fasta | I think the dpkg-reconfigure debconf configuration is fairly useless as an interface as it doesn't say what it does in any meaningful way. |
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| 08:44.01 | seravitae | how can I change what browser picks up clicked links in other programs? |
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| 08:46.38 | seravitae | okay i found it under 'preferred applications' - however no matter what settings I use, it opens a new instance of firefox instead of just adding a new tab? |
| 08:46.45 | dizzylizzy | seravitae: you do it from the terminal |
| 08:46.53 | dizzylizzy | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 08:47.18 | seravitae | okay, its not in that list. |
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| 08:49.39 | dizzylizzy | You'll probably want to invoke it with the -new-tab command-line option... I'm not positive of the best way to do that, though |
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| 08:50.02 | dizzylizzy | besides having preferred applications call a script that does that |
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| 08:50.34 | cek | Hi. I'd like to have a very recent-kernel livecd, for testing new hardware. What would you recommend? |
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| 08:51.01 | cek | That is, it means some userspace daemons should be aware of that hardware, too. like lsusb, lspci, dmidecode, mcelog |
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| 08:52.23 | seravitae | dizzylizzy: under preferred applications in gnome, firefox is listed. and set to open link in new tab. i should point out that I had to install firefox manually (no packages) and also had to make /usr/bin/firefox a shell script to set an environment variable for it to work - it's probably not getting the supplied argument |
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| 08:54.54 | dizzylizzy | sorry I literally just woke up :-/ |
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| 08:55.33 | seravitae | yeah, i know what the problem is, just dont know how to fix it yet |
| 08:55.51 | seravitae | need to figure out what variable is used for CLI args in bash script. |
| 08:56.24 | seravitae | ie `sh test.sh somethinghere` --> in script, need to append some variable such that it equals somethinghere at runtime |
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| 08:59.48 | dizzylizzy | probably $@ |
| 08:59.54 | dizzylizzy | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-bash2/index.html |
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| 09:01.47 | seravitae | dizzylizzy: yep, fixed it straight up. |
| 09:01.48 | seravitae | thanks :) |
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| 09:02.15 | dizzylizzy | TIL! |
| 09:02.24 | dizzylizzy | That should be very useful :3 |
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| 09:03.49 | seravitae | :) |
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| 09:05.26 | Segaja | hi, i know that it is possible to write crontab files and have them stored in my home folder for example and have them executed as regular crontab files. my question is how do i set this up? |
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| 09:11.11 | freddy__ | Hi - how can I see if my debian is running a 64bit or 32 bit kernel. uname -a says: 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu 25 01:53:57: UTC 2010 i686 gnu/linux ? |
| 09:11.36 | rainfyre | that's 32 bit |
| 09:11.57 | llutz | 32bit = i686 freddy__ |
| 09:11.58 | freddy__ | rainfyre: thanks - and where did you see that ? |
| 09:12.03 | fasta | freddy__: : 686 gives it away. |
| 09:12.12 | freddy__ | llutz: ah, jthanks! |
| 09:12.20 | rainfyre | x86_64 woulw be 64 bit |
| 09:12.23 | rainfyre | *would |
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| 09:12.40 | freddy__ | ah... good thanks so much! |
| 09:12.47 | rainfyre | no worries |
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| 09:14.05 | freddy__ | is there also a command that I can fire,to see if my processor is actually a 64 bit ? |
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| 09:14.38 | llutz | freddy__: grep " lm" /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:15.57 | rainfyre | can anyone tell my why I can't get openssh-server to install on an ARM device? this is the output I get from "aptitude install opewnssh-server": http://gist.github.com/2757449 |
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| 09:16.15 | rainfyre | sorry that should say "openssh-sever" |
| 09:16.20 | rainfyre | omg I can't type |
| 09:16.24 | rainfyre | heh |
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| 09:17.21 | Devastator | rainfyre /var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writable. |
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| 09:17.40 | rainfyre | Devastator: yes, I saw that.. |
| 09:17.46 | Devastator | try to use chown to set owner to root |
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| 09:17.59 | rainfyre | Devastator: ahh ok |
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| 09:18.41 | Devastator | then dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 09:18.47 | rainfyre | ok |
| 09:18.51 | rainfyre | just a sec |
| 09:19.41 | rainfyre | Devastator: the ironic thing is that I'm ssh'd into it with an ssh-server app, I just can't ssh or scp out |
| 09:19.49 | laptopFell | Hello, I'm new to debian and cannot find networks throug the wireless adapter, do I need a driver or something? |
| 09:20.16 | laptopFell | As my name says.. my HDD died. |
| 09:20.38 | Devastator | rainfyre the device has an ssh client and not a server, is that it? |
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| 09:20.45 | bitHipy | why all the GPG keyring updates? This is the 3rd time in ~2 weeks there has been a debian keyring update |
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| 09:21.28 | rainfyre | Devastator: It's got a server app, it's an android device, but openssh-server isn't installing |
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| 09:21.51 | Devastator | laptopFell see if your wireless card is getting detected during boot |
| 09:22.05 | rainfyre | Devastator: looks like the chown trick is working though |
| 09:22.18 | laptopFell | on boot everything goes to fast |
| 09:22.20 | rainfyre | Devastator: should have just read the error message :) |
| 09:22.33 | laptopFell | too* |
| 09:22.34 | Devastator | rainfyre it can save lives sometimes :) |
| 09:22.43 | rainfyre | laptopFell: what kind of laptop do you have? what are you running on it? what wireless card do you have? |
| 09:22.48 | rainfyre | Devastator: heh |
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| 09:22.52 | Devastator | laptopFell try dmesg | grep wireless |
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| 09:23.32 | Devastator | better yet, pastebin the output of lspci -vv | grep wireless |
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| 09:24.05 | laptopFell | Welp It's a toshiba it came with windows... My hdd died, downloaded Debian on USB and honestly I don't remember my wireless card |
| 09:24.06 | Devastator | let me get some snacks, it's morning and i'm hungry |
| 09:24.17 | rainfyre | Devastator: you do that. |
| 09:24.19 | laptopFell | wireless card name |
| 09:24.26 | laptopFell | I think it's intel |
| 09:24.32 | rainfyre | laptopFell: :) |
| 09:24.44 | rainfyre | laptopFell: did you get debian installed? |
| 09:24.50 | laptopFell | on usb |
| 09:25.16 | rainfyre | ok, do you know how to pastebin the output of the command that Devastator just gave you? |
| 09:25.25 | rainfyre | and yes, you likely need a driver |
| 09:25.43 | laptopFell | Do they made those for debian? |
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| 09:25.59 | rainfyre | drivers? |
| 09:26.05 | laptopFell | yes.. |
| 09:26.09 | rainfyre | heh |
| 09:26.24 | rainfyre | well they make them.. |
| 09:26.57 | laptopFell | I'll use my ethernet then.. |
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| 09:27.05 | laptopFell | ethernet cable |
| 09:27.52 | rainfyre | laptopFell: if you can pastebin the output of lspci -vv | grep wireless we can see what card you have and figure out what driver you need |
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| 09:28.49 | laptopFell | How do you open up a laptop? |
| 09:30.04 | laptopFell | Could not open ' terminal' Failed to excecute child process 'gnome terminal' |
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| 09:31.12 | Devastator | you should have another terminal somewhere.. |
| 09:31.35 | rainfyre | Devastator: that fixed my ssh server btw. thank you. |
| 09:31.37 | Devastator | rainfyre were you able to install openssh-server? |
| 09:31.43 | rainfyre | :)_ |
| 09:31.47 | rainfyre | lag |
| 09:31.51 | Devastator | oh, welcome :) |
| 09:31.53 | rainfyre | yes, ssh and scp are working |
| 09:32.06 | rainfyre | chown is so darned handy.. |
| 09:32.21 | Devastator | use with caution heh |
| 09:32.24 | laptopFell | So when a laptop falls, you lose everything you had on there? |
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| 09:33.35 | Devastator | laptopFell you just said your hdd died, are you sure? |
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| 09:34.53 | laptopFell | No, But the BIOS doesn't find the OS on the HDD and when trying to access it from debian it says: Unable to mount location: Internal error: no mount object for mounted volume |
| 09:35.14 | rainfyre | hm |
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| 09:36.14 | Devastator | laptopFell bios should found the hdd, it can't find the os, that's normal |
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| 09:36.33 | laptopFell | So its'n not thead and there's still hope? |
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| 09:36.46 | Devastator | and your debian error doesn't sound like hdd died |
| 09:37.03 | Blackshirt | What best security framework for debian? |
| 09:37.05 | Devastator | laptopFell what was it running? |
| 09:37.24 | laptopFell | Windows |
| 09:37.25 | laptopFell | 7 |
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| 09:38.32 | laptopFell | it just fell and the screen froze |
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| 09:38.41 | laptopFell | I was like.... sht. |
| 09:38.45 | Blackshirt | Between selinux, smack, tomoyo,apparmor and grsecurity, what best for daily use |
| 09:38.55 | Blackshirt | ? |
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| 09:41.13 | dizzylizzy | oh nooo laptopfell |
| 09:41.17 | dizzylizzy | head crash? |
| 09:41.21 | dizzylizzy | did it go beepbeepbeepbeep |
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| 09:41.32 | laptopFell | No. fortunately |
| 09:41.41 | laptopFell | I forced shutdown |
| 09:41.44 | dizzylizzy | i recently spilled orange soda on my laptop but saved the hard drive intact |
| 09:41.48 | laptopFell | after like 30 seconds |
| 09:42.15 | laptopFell | but now it takes like a year to start up |
| 09:42.29 | laptopFell | so it was not only the hdd |
| 09:42.38 | dizzylizzy | but then when i bought a SATA->USB converter and plugged it in, and mounted it, and saw my files, and unmounted it, suddenly there was a head crash even though I didn't even touch the hard drive :( |
| 09:42.52 | dizzylizzy | sounds like more than that yeah :-/ |
| 09:43.20 | laptopFell | dizzylizzy: This day has been a disaster |
| 09:43.37 | dizzylizzy | :( |
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| 09:44.04 | laptopFell | a Head crash is recoverable? |
| 09:44.15 | Devastator | laptopFell yes and no |
| 09:44.30 | dizzylizzy | yeah it kind of... depends. which areas of the filesystem got corrupted |
| 09:44.45 | dizzylizzy | i lost everything from february 1st up to the spill a week ago, and the hardware will not power on anymore |
| 09:44.46 | laptopFell | can you make the HDD work again? |
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| 09:45.22 | dizzylizzy | i'd need to take it to a specialist who can take it apart in a clean room and re-adjust the physical thingy that's stuck |
| 09:45.32 | Devastator | laptopFell i would run manufacturer diag tool, but that's not debian related, so you should go to ##hardware I guess |
| 09:45.40 | dizzylizzy | ##hardware would probably help best yeah |
| 09:45.48 | dizzylizzy | they helped me :-/ |
| 09:45.50 | laptopFell | thanks |
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| 09:50.44 | rainfyre | Devastator: do you know what this means when I run "svn up"? WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-kvH1Gy/pkcs11: No such file or directory |
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| 09:50.54 | rainfyre | I uninstalled gnome and am using xfce |
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| 09:51.34 | cerales | I'm trying to set up postfix with dovecot, and all the guides seem to suggest the client socket for auth should be /var/spool/postfix/private/auth, but I don't have any such file in my setup. anyone know what could be going on? |
| 09:52.12 | Devastator | rainfyre maybe you need debian keyring |
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| 09:52.58 | dawud | Blackshirt: apparmor is easier to use/config |
| 09:52.59 | rainfyre | Devastator: heh |
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| 09:53.01 | rainfyre | alright |
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| 09:54.52 | Blackshirt | Dawud, debian maybe not supported apparmor for this time? |
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| 09:57.45 | jelly-home | Blackshirt: none of the RBACs are properly supported by Debian at present time |
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| 09:59.00 | Blackshirt | Jelli-home, included selinux? |
| 09:59.55 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 10:00.41 | dizzylizzy | I can't find the license agreement |
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| 10:00.53 | dizzylizzy | for the windows on the computer i just bought |
| 10:00.57 | Blackshirt | I look at repository, a lot of selinux related packages available there? |
| 10:01.00 | dizzylizzy | guess I'll have to boot straight into the debian installer |
| 10:01.07 | dawud | jelly-home: SELinux is not RBAC, it's MAC |
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| 10:02.10 | Blackshirt | Dawud, are you sure about that? I think selinux capable as rbac system |
| 10:02.38 | dawud | jelly-home: capable, yes. Through Mandatory Access Control |
| 10:02.54 | dawud | jelly-home: sorry, that's for Blackshirt |
| 10:03.10 | Blackshirt | dawud, like tomoyo does? |
| 10:03.42 | dawud | Blackshirt: tomoyo is a somehow lightweight MAC system |
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| 10:04.07 | dawud | Blackshirt: I'm using SELinux only, can't say much about all the others |
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| 10:05.40 | Blackshirt | Dawud, greats, i think selinux was greats ...but it was true that selinux hard to administre? |
| 10:06.20 | dawud | Blackshirt: it is not easy. that's true |
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| 10:07.04 | dawud | Blackshirt: but there are other pieces of code/services equally hard to administrate IMHO, think about LDAP/Kerberos |
| 10:07.28 | Blackshirt | Dawud, i know tomoyo, i think it was more,more easy to administre compared with selinux |
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| 10:08.39 | dawud | Blackshirt: does tomoyo support more or less the same software as SELinux? |
| 10:09.11 | dawud | Blackshirt: IOW, are there policies for as much software as for SELinux capable software? |
| 10:09.34 | Devastator | rainfyre debian keyring worked? |
| 10:11.03 | rainfyre | Devastator: not yet. looks like a bug, I googled it and am reading bug reports |
| 10:12.00 | Blackshirt | Dawud, tomoyo was path-name based security framework, like apparmor does, but,i think more easy to understand and to'administre...tomoyo doesn't relabelling filesystem like selinux does, so, no need on software change...you'just could protect them |
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| 10:14.01 | Devastator | going to bed, later.. |
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| 10:16.27 | rainfyre | night |
| 10:16.54 | Blackshirt | Evening here... |
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| 10:35.20 | midow | hi, how do I make it so ssh doesn't expose the fact that the system is debian? |
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| 10:36.51 | krion | midow: as far as i know you have to recompile openssh |
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| 10:37.23 | midow | i don't know why you ship with a branded openssh |
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| 10:37.26 | midow | i'll open a ticket |
| 10:37.37 | krion | as the banner arg in ssh config doesn't modify what you'e talking about |
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| 10:38.20 | krion | i'm pretty confident in what i'm saying, since a security audit ask me to hide the version of ssh |
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| 10:40.14 | midow | this is a severe security problem |
| 10:41.27 | Blackshirt | Midow, what you mean? |
| 10:41.43 | krion | midow: it's not, really |
| 10:42.06 | midow | http://pastebin.com/VU6ky0nx |
| 10:42.07 | midow | lol python |
| 10:42.23 | midow | why didn't they choose a real programming language for this |
| 10:42.48 | krion | midow: and if you recompile, it would become a security risk, because you'll have to track upstream on your own |
| 10:42.59 | midow | Blackshirt, ssh exposes the version number and the distro name |
| 10:43.07 | krion | midow: if you open a bug i'm interested |
| 10:43.11 | midow | i'll do |
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| 10:43.25 | petemc | it will probably be closed pretty quickly |
| 10:43.28 | petemc | its a non issue |
| 10:43.29 | krion | midow: keep me in touch with bug nulber |
| 10:43.45 | midow | i'll report it until it's fixed |
| 10:43.54 | petemc | dont hold your breath |
| 10:44.02 | Mogget | I thought this was what the banner option was for in sshd_config? |
| 10:44.12 | midow | no |
| 10:44.27 | Mogget | Then what is that for then? |
| 10:44.32 | petemc | pen testers always flag up stable software, its a false positive if you keep debian packages up to date |
| 10:44.48 | krion | Mogget: nop, banner imho is like etc issue, you could say "hey get out" before login |
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| 10:45.18 | krion | petemc: exactly |
| 10:45.20 | midow | i'm not using a pen testter |
| 10:45.23 | midow | tester* |
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| 10:45.32 | midow | i just don't want my distro to be exposed |
| 10:45.37 | petemc | its not |
| 10:45.42 | midow | i.e. i don't want people to know i'm using debian |
| 10:46.22 | midow | (1-42/527) Is the bug you found listed above [y|N|b|m|r|q|s|f|e|?]? |
| 10:46.24 | midow | what the hell |
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| 10:53.40 | midow | oh fuck |
| 10:53.46 | midow | it says my machine is greylisted |
| 10:54.01 | midow | why don't you have bugzilla or flyspray, like normal people do |
| 10:55.00 | dawud | midow: better stop trolling |
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| 10:55.25 | midow | i'm not trolling |
| 10:55.36 | midow | it's 2012, no one can send mails from their adsl ip addresses |
| 10:55.39 | dawud | midow: thrash talking, then |
| 10:56.30 | dawud | midow: use your gmail/hotmail/***mail account, then. it's what I do. |
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| 10:57.23 | korkman | midow: btw. fingerprinting will always find a way to expose the linux version you're running |
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| 10:57.43 | korkman | midow: if you care about ssh security, hide the port using knockd |
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| 10:58.34 | burek | hi, can anyone help me on this please: http://pastebin.com/BqTDqzpZ |
| 10:58.36 | korkman | midow: your bug will be closed unfixed that's sure |
| 10:58.44 | midow | then i'll open it again |
| 10:58.45 | burek | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable. |
| 10:58.45 | dpkg | burek: no idea |
| 10:58.56 | midow | lol |
| 11:00.00 | korkman | burek: "echo $PATH" and paste that |
| 11:00.15 | BenBE | Someone here using libapache2-mod-gnutls? |
| 11:00.35 | burek | /usr/bin:/bin |
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| 11:00.43 | burek | I actually don't have ldconfig.. :S |
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| 11:00.56 | burek | but I have libc6 installed |
| 11:01.03 | burek | and libc-bin |
| 11:01.06 | BenBE | Wasn't ldconfig to be found in /usr/sbin? |
| 11:01.19 | burek | # ldconfig |
| 11:01.20 | burek | bash: ldconfig: command not found |
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| 11:02.00 | dawud | judd: ,libc-bin |
| 11:02.10 | BenBE | burek What's the output of: id or whoami? |
| 11:02.18 | burek | sbin |
| 11:02.20 | burek | omg |
| 11:02.24 | korkman | burek: yeah where's sbin gone? |
| 11:02.30 | burek | im root |
| 11:02.33 | burek | # find / -name ldconfig |
| 11:02.33 | burek | /var/cache/ldconfig |
| 11:02.33 | burek | /sbin/ldconfig |
| 11:02.49 | korkman | burek: your PATH is non-rootly |
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| 11:03.03 | burek | I see, how did that happen? :/ |
| 11:03.06 | BenBE | Then why isn't /usr/sbin in your PATH ;-)? |
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| 11:03.11 | korkman | burek: maybe you preserved environment when becoming root? |
| 11:03.19 | burek | no, I just logged in as root |
| 11:03.27 | burek | didn't su |
| 11:03.30 | BenBE | Did you maybe su without loading roots environment? |
| 11:03.37 | korkman | copied bash config over from a mere mortal? |
| 11:03.46 | burek | no, none of that |
| 11:03.58 | korkman | then that should not happen :-) |
| 11:04.20 | burek | maybe some package modified the PATH when i installed/uninstalled it |
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| 11:04.26 | burek | but I didn't change anything manually |
| 11:04.32 | at0m | here $PATH is set in /etc/profile, not really bash config |
| 11:04.33 | korkman | that's debian squeeze? fresh install or upgraded? |
| 11:04.35 | burek | anyway, is it enough that I just correct the path? |
| 11:04.43 | burek | squeeze fresh |
| 11:04.44 | korkman | yes |
| 11:04.46 | korkman | fix it |
| 11:04.52 | burek | how it should look like :D |
| 11:05.02 | korkman | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 11:05.10 | korkman | i knew you would ask :-) |
| 11:05.28 | burek | :D |
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| 11:06.06 | burek | oh cool it works :D |
| 11:06.10 | burek | thanks a lot guys :D |
| 11:06.20 | BenBE | Actually: When it's done right it ALWAYS works :P |
| 11:06.24 | burek | now it doesn't have a delay when doing apt-get install :) |
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| 11:06.33 | korkman | burek: /etc/profile actually checks your UID |
| 11:06.34 | burek | :beer: :D |
| 11:06.45 | BenBE | doesnt drink beer ... |
| 11:06.47 | korkman | running an lxc server by any chance? |
| 11:07.02 | korkman | maybe your root UID is not 0 |
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| 11:07.56 | burek | hm |
| 11:08.07 | korkman | burek: check /etc/passwd, too |
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| 11:08.16 | burek | not running lxc |
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| 11:08.22 | burek | etc passwd says 0:0 |
| 11:08.36 | burek | I've installed some deb package and removed it |
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| 11:08.43 | burek | and I think after that the trouble came in |
| 11:08.45 | korkman | does selinux change the root UID? |
| 11:08.50 | burek | I'll find a direct link to that package |
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| 11:09.10 | zukalk | now that we're mentioning /etc/profile, i have to say: i've always found it odd in debian that *sbin is excluded from non-root users' path |
| 11:09.23 | burek | http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/aircontrol/aircontrol_1.4.2-beta_all.deb |
| 11:09.32 | korkman | it's annoying not to have ifconfig ready when you need it, isn't it |
| 11:09.33 | zukalk | i mean, i can think of a few examples where i use e.g. ifconfig or the like without root access |
| 11:09.33 | burek | that I think was the reason of all this |
| 11:10.10 | burek | when I installed it and removed it, the apt-get got some kind of delay, before fetching packages from the net |
| 11:10.24 | burek | and now it doesn't have any more delays, after fixing PATH, so I guess it's related |
| 11:10.41 | korkman | zukalk: don't bother, in a few years sbin will be gone |
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| 11:10.58 | abrotman | not likely |
| 11:10.58 | zukalk | korkman, why do you say that? |
| 11:10.59 | TomyLobo | years? that's like millenia in computer time |
| 11:11.20 | abrotman | zukalk: and that's how it's supposed to be .. |
| 11:11.32 | korkman | wasn't red hat pushing an effort to remove the sbin distinction? |
| 11:11.43 | abrotman | because RH controls all of linux .. |
| 11:11.49 | dawud | korkman: no. they want / ro |
| 11:12.01 | abrotman | korkman: jesus .. i have RHEL boxes at work (might be a custom thing), doesn't have sbin in root's path |
| 11:12.31 | abrotman | dawud: that's kind of silly, i don't want five partitions |
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| 11:13.02 | dawud | abrotman: I think it depends on your config/necesities |
| 11:13.05 | abrotman | i know |
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| 11:13.24 | abrotman | realizes he's not away anymore |
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| 11:14.33 | dawud | abrotman: and (for good or bad) RedHat are upstream for a increasingly growing number of (important) pkgs |
| 11:14.37 | korkman | anyways, reducing the amount of distinctions in filesystem / simplifying is delicate, but well intended i think. |
| 11:14.46 | abrotman | dawud: so is Debian ? |
| 11:14.52 | dawud | abrotman: indeed |
| 11:15.05 | abrotman | korkman: it's not likely to ever happen, been that way for uh 30+ years? |
| 11:15.27 | korkman | yeah well... multiarch is happening, too :-) |
| 11:15.40 | jelly-home | /usr/bin, however, will be gone |
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| 11:15.58 | burek | thanks for help guys :) :beer: :) o/ |
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| 11:16.06 | TomyLobo | jelly-home replaced by what? |
| 11:16.14 | dawud | jelly-home: ...and that's what I was talking 'bout |
| 11:16.16 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: everything in /bin |
| 11:16.27 | dawud | and / read only |
| 11:16.29 | TomyLobo | isnt /bin just for the bare necessities? |
| 11:16.43 | abrotman | korkman: multiarch has five users? :) |
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| 11:17.05 | abrotman | TomyLobo: that's the idea, based on FHS or whichever one it is |
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| 11:17.45 | abrotman | TomyLobo: /bin/ generally includes binaries needed to boot the system, /usr/bin/ would include things that can be mounted later (doesn't always work that way in practice) |
| 11:17.46 | jelly-home | getting rid of /var/run went reasonably well |
| 11:17.55 | feeze | how do I specify that I want apt to install the newer version of a package from a repo that I added to my sources.list file instead of the older version from the main repo? |
| 11:17.57 | abrotman | looks at his /var/run/ directory |
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| 11:18.12 | abrotman | feeze: aptitude -t or aptitude package=version |
| 11:18.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: how many systems have you worked on during the last decade that had a separate /usr fs |
| 11:18.36 | jelly-home | (and Debian as OS) |
| 11:18.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: a few .. |
| 11:18.50 | jelly-home | disbelief |
| 11:18.55 | feeze | abrotman: ty |
| 11:19.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'd prefer if /usr/share/doc/ were its own partition more than /usr/ :) |
| 11:19.51 | jelly-home | I wouldn't. set up a 20GB+ OS partition, be done with it |
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| 11:20.37 | abrotman | jelly-home: actually, i lie .. i'd like a mechanism where i can bitbucket all of /usr/share/doc/ on a system without dpkg freaking out |
| 11:20.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: so i don't need all the docs on all of my systems |
| 11:21.05 | korkman | why not put all expect /home in a dir /linux when we're at it :-D |
| 11:21.12 | feeze | how can I show the available versions of a package from a specific repo? |
| 11:21.20 | abrotman | feeze: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 11:21.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: like, a dpkg hook to wipe it at install time, and get rid of references in foo.list? |
| 11:21.30 | feeze | abrotman: ty again |
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| 11:21.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: just something where i say "I'm aware I don't have docs, don't freak out if i'm removing the packages and those files are missing" |
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| 11:22.57 | dawud | something like localepurge for docs |
| 11:22.58 | jelly-home | ,info docpurge |
| 11:22.59 | judd | No package named 'docpurge' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 11:24.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:24.11 | abrotman | dawud: but currently, dpkg expects those files to be there |
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| 11:24.53 | dawud | abrotman: eh, yeah, I was envisioning a "solution" |
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| 11:25.54 | jelly-home | maemo has docpurge. |
| 11:26.01 | at0m | Total disk space freed by localepurge: 250300 KiB \o/ |
| 11:26.25 | jelly-home | yeah, an _amazing_ quarter of a gigabyte saved |
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| 11:26.39 | jelly-home | at0m: how large is your OS disk? |
| 11:26.54 | korkman | hmm ... more important: how may inodes where freed? |
| 11:27.01 | at0m | jelly-home: 8GB |
| 11:27.12 | korkman | usb stick eh :-) |
| 11:27.21 | at0m | no, just a root partition |
| 11:27.35 | at0m | disk is 250GB |
| 11:27.45 | jelly-home | so .1% of the disk |
| 11:28.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: we need to recompile your bc for faster results |
| 11:29.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: uh, I'm the one pointing at needless optimization here |
| 11:29.11 | korkman | number of inodes is more interesting, it speeds up whatever full filesystem scans you may ever encounter |
| 11:29.25 | korkman | 250 mb might not sound much |
| 11:29.25 | jelly-home | you can't switch sides in the middle of an argument! |
| 11:29.36 | at0m | 250MB of puny files |
| 11:29.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh, the docs thing is just a pet peeve where you have a minimal server with tons of space allocated to docs you never read |
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| 11:30.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: and my answer is -- noone cares |
| 11:30.32 | jelly-home | it's not "tons", it's 0.1% |
| 11:30.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: his 0.1% was on locales! |
| 11:30.56 | jelly-home | for locales, I'll be generous and say 5% for the docs |
| 11:30.57 | korkman | yeah docs is more |
| 11:31.08 | jelly-home | OMG 5% wasted |
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| 11:31.19 | abrotman | that's how much space root reserves by default ... |
| 11:31.25 | korkman | it was like 30% when i was running debian from usb stick |
| 11:31.56 | jelly-home | korkman: and an embedded environment like that is the only situation where this matters |
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| 11:32.28 | at0m | abrotman: 288M /usr/share/doc |
| 11:32.31 | at0m | looks similar |
| 11:32.48 | abrotman | at0m: it varies by machines quite a bit .. and it's far more important with smaller HDDs |
| 11:32.50 | korkman | yep. that and lxc hosts with many vservers on one fs, where inode count hurts |
| 11:33.38 | at0m | smaller hdds, and dozens of VMs |
| 11:34.07 | abrotman | the VM is a single file |
| 11:34.10 | abrotman | (generally) |
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| 11:37.02 | at0m | so docs and locales that's 500MB on my 5GB used OS files, that's 10% gain on backups, updatedb, ... Or manually skip the docs dirs for those. hm. |
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| 11:39.03 | jelly-home | except incremental backups and mlocate don't touch unchanged files |
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| 11:39.31 | abrotman | he didn't incremental! |
| 11:39.39 | abrotman | and doesn't mlocate still use find to index stuff? |
| 11:39.48 | abrotman | didn't say .. |
| 11:39.56 | jelly-home | then he's silly, because that would save more than measly 10% |
| 11:40.06 | jelly-home | if he needs to save, that is. |
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| 11:41.50 | abrotman | i'm not sure he meant 10% space on his storage .. |
| 11:42.05 | at0m | yes, all apart from /home |
| 11:42.08 | at0m | running bunch of mythfrontends thoughout the house, and trying to keep them lean |
| 11:42.21 | at0m | not fanatically, but little things help |
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| 11:45.37 | cypher | Hi, are there any problems with packages in wheezy? I've dist-upgraded and it forced the removal of fglrx Catalyst packages to solve dependancies. Now if I try to reinstall Catalyst drivers I can't find them in the repositories |
| 11:45.50 | abrotman | no fglrx currently in testing |
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| 11:46.04 | abrotman | ISTR something about it's not compatible with the newest Xorg? |
| 11:46.18 | cypher | So I've to pin from Sid? |
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| 11:47.00 | abrotman | i'm not sure even the shiniest new version from the website works |
| 11:47.09 | razvan86 | hi! i am looking for a hardware compatibility list ... i was told that you guys have such a thing |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | i'm sure this has been discussed on a mailing list |
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| 11:47.20 | abrotman | razvan86: eh .. kind of .. do you already have the hardware? |
| 11:47.49 | razvan86 | abrotman: nop ... i am thinking about buying things :D |
| 11:47.56 | abrotman | razvan86: such as? for what OS? |
| 11:47.59 | krion | !dpkg tell razvan86 about hcl |
| 11:48.13 | jelly-home | ,bug 671320 |
| 11:48.14 | krion | !hcl |
| 11:48.14 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 11:48.15 | razvan86 | abrotman: |
| 11:48.25 | jelly-home | !dbugs 671320 |
| 11:48.29 | dpkg | #671320:S[fglrx-driver] fglrx does not support Xorg Xserver 1.12 (upstream); Thu, 03 May 2012 09:57:02 UTC [] |
| 11:48.35 | abrotman | cypher: ^^^ |
| 11:48.48 | razvan86 | dpkg: thanks >:D< i will look things up! |
| 11:48.48 | dpkg | pas de quoi, razvan86 |
| 11:48.58 | abrotman | razvan86: you didnt' answer my questoins |
| 11:49.02 | jelly-home | cypher: that is an upstream issue. Wait until ATI people catch up with X.org poeple |
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| 11:49.15 | cypher | Thank you all |
| 11:49.22 | TomyLobo | dpkg is a bot btw |
| 11:49.23 | dpkg | TomyLobo: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 11:49.29 | razvan86 | abrotman: right now i use ubuntu ... but if i can get unity running on debian, i will try it |
| 11:49.54 | abrotman | razvan86: why would you want unity on Debian? there are dozens of other WMs |
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| 11:50.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's pretty! |
| 11:50.14 | abrotman | currently, the Unity WM/shell isn't in Debian |
| 11:50.29 | TomyLobo | unity? do you have a tablet? |
| 11:50.39 | razvan86 | abrotman: because it's an easier transition for me from windows 7 (back then i used to dock the taskbar to the right > the unity launch bar mode) |
| 11:50.55 | abrotman | razvan86: have you tried gnome3 or kde4? XFCE4? LXDE? |
| 11:50.58 | TomyLobo | you miean windows 8? |
| 11:51.02 | TomyLobo | -i |
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| 11:51.21 | razvan86 | abrotman: also ... because i don't like gnome 2x (i don't need 2 taskbars) ... and gnome 3x i couldn't get pidgin to work in tray bar |
| 11:51.39 | TomyLobo | kde4 has a similar start menu to win7 |
| 11:51.45 | abrotman | razvan86: extensions for gnome3 allow that .. i have that working now |
| 11:52.01 | TomyLobo | if that's what you're missing |
| 11:52.08 | abrotman | razvan86: my little "box" next to my name turns red when people chat with me, but there are other plugins also |
| 11:52.12 | razvan86 | abrotman: i tried Mezzo, xFCE, KDE(i don't like the dragon maskot, i am christian and superstitiuous..), unity and gnome 3x |
| 11:52.15 | TomyLobo | if not, tell what it is |
| 11:52.31 | TomyLobo | what do dragons have to do with christianity? |
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| 11:52.41 | abrotman | St George? |
| 11:52.51 | abrotman | razvan86: https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 11:53.29 | abrotman | razvan86: tons of stuff there |
| 11:53.36 | razvan86 | abrotman: i tried ... i managed to get some sort of extention to work, but only for messages ... when i [x]close the main window, the program gets killed alltogether |
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| 11:54.22 | abrotman | razvan86: i thikn i'm not understanding what you're trying to do .. but as fo rme, i have a desktop for IM, i keep pidgin there with the roster window and the chat window (with all 21231515 tabs open) |
| 11:54.26 | TomyLobo | since when does KDE have that dragon mascot? i've never seen it |
| 11:54.31 | abrotman | TomyLobo: kde.org? |
| 11:54.36 | razvan86 | abrotman: the last success i recorded was with gnome advanced option ... that is where i am at |
| 11:54.41 | TomyLobo | yeah i dont frequent that page :) |
| 11:54.49 | abrotman | TomyLobo: it's there somewhere .. it's the mascot |
| 11:54.57 | ruli | man that dragon has been on kde.org for years. i havent seen it lately though |
| 11:55.08 | abrotman | TomyLobo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqi |
| 11:55.09 | razvan86 | abrotman: is it to bold of me to ask you for a printscreen? :-s .... |
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| 11:55.28 | abrotman | razvan86: i'm not chatting with anyone, so you won't see it .. everyone i know is still asleep :) |
| 11:55.39 | abrotman | razvan86: but i can tell you which plugin i'm using that does that |
| 11:55.59 | razvan86 | cool :D thanks! you are of much help to me! |
| 11:56.10 | abrotman | is the only crackmonkey he knows that goes to bed at 2am and wakes up at 6am |
| 11:57.06 | abrotman | razvan86: Pidgin Persistent Notification .. I've been trying to get Message Notifier working, but it's possible I can't have both at the same time |
| 11:57.22 | razvan86 | http://postimage.org/image/i91zuvzbv/ here is my desktop now |
| 11:57.23 | abrotman | razvan86: Message Notifier is more like what I'd like ot have, but I found PPN first |
| 11:57.44 | abrotman | razvan86: oh, i don't use pidgin for IRC |
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| 11:58.38 | abrotman | wait, wtf .. the kde mascot has a girlfriend mascot? |
| 11:58.52 | korkman | (the kde dragon is frequently seen on crash dialog i think) |
| 11:58.58 | razvan86 | no problem ... pidgin works fine .. i love irc-ing with pidgin ^^ ... but the traybar kind of gets in the way (i don't know how to adjust it's behavior) and when i [x]close pidgin, it does not minimize to tray |
| 11:59.03 | korkman | launches a random kde application |
| 11:59.15 | razvan86 | abrotman: no problem ... pidgin works fine .. i love irc-ing with pidgin ^^ ... but the traybar kind of gets in the way (i don't know how to adjust it's behavior) and when i [x]close pidgin, it does not minimize to tray |
| 11:59.15 | abrotman | razvan86: the one on the bottom ? |
| 11:59.22 | razvan86 | yes |
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| 11:59.26 | razvan86 | abrotman: yes |
| 11:59.31 | abrotman | razvan86: move your mouse away form it .. mine hides magically |
| 11:59.53 | TomyLobo | he doesnt like magic. he's christian |
| 11:59.55 | razvan86 | abrotman: cool ... teach me! :D |
| 12:00.14 | korkman | ah no kde about dialogs have it |
| 12:00.19 | razvan86 | TomyLobo: "i can move mountains if i have enough belief" Jesus |
| 12:00.24 | abrotman | razvan86: i'm confused .. generally, i'm sure people use that lower "taskbar" .. i'm not even sure why it's there |
| 12:00.50 | abrotman | erm .. i'm not sure |
| 12:00.55 | TomyLobo | do you have any evidence to back that up? |
| 12:01.03 | razvan86 | abrotman: unity simplifies the desktop by using a single traybar on upper screen... :-s |
| 12:01.08 | abrotman | TomyLobo: i rarely click things? |
| 12:01.16 | razvan86 | lol |
| 12:01.38 | abrotman | razvan86: but gnome doesn't have a "traybar" really .. i generally switch apps by hitting alt-tab, or hitting the Win key |
| 12:01.45 | razvan86 | TomyLobo: we can PM on the matter [evolutionism vs creationism] if you like ^^ |
| 12:01.57 | TomyLobo | oh god you believe in creationism too? |
| 12:02.00 | TomyLobo | i'm out |
| 12:02.04 | razvan86 | abrotman: cool windows key thing :D |
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| 12:03.14 | abrotman | razvan86: the extensions make things work pretty differently, people seem to like them |
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| 12:04.27 | razvan86 | abrotman: i am thinking about converting to debian ... but i am afraid i get stuck with gnome 2x ... i tried to burn skweaky (?the last testing version) but failed with magic iso |
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| 12:04.43 | abrotman | razvan86: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/214/pidgin-conversation-integration/ .. is that more what you want? |
| 12:04.52 | abrotman | razvan86: try searching for pidgin at that website, you may find more |
| 12:05.09 | abrotman | razvan86: currently, squeeze has gnome2, wheezy and sid have gnome3 |
| 12:05.44 | razvan86 | abrotman: wheezy is the one that i failed to burn ... |
| 12:06.26 | TomyLobo | razvan86 i just feel i have to ask you one question: how old do you think humanity is, roughly? |
| 12:06.28 | razvan86 | abrotman: i am encumbered with links ... i must digest them first now ... thank you so much ... i will return shortly :) God bless you! |
| 12:07.08 | abrotman | my mom will be happy i got blessed today |
| 12:07.23 | abrotman | TomyLobo: #debian-offtopic if you want to have that conversation |
| 12:07.54 | TomyLobo | it's just... he's the first creationist i actually talk to |
| 12:07.58 | TomyLobo | sorry, it overwhelmed me |
| 12:07.58 | razvan86 | TomyLobo: with the earth magnetic field, temperature, spinning speed parameters decreasing... life couldn't be older then 25'000 years |
| 12:08.10 | abrotman | razvan86: please take it to #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss it |
| 12:08.43 | razvan86 | abrotman: srry ... i was asked ... i will refrain from answering here :) |
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| 12:08.58 | abrotman | razvan86: i know, we just prefer that sort of chatter in a side channel |
| 12:09.22 | abrotman | not trying to discourage the conversation, just keeping it out of here :) |
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| 12:09.50 | razvan86 | i acknowledge that your intentions are good :P |
| 12:10.25 | abrotman | notes neither party joined #debian-offtopic |
| 12:11.17 | TomyLobo | did science today: proving the existence of creationists |
| 12:11.42 | abrotman | TomyLobo: we can discuss it more in #debian-offtopic if you'd like |
| 12:11.43 | korkman | (http://ichthux.com/ did not notice the dragon btw) |
| 12:12.04 | korkman | (but yeah totally off-topic here) |
| 12:12.25 | TomyLobo | what about bsd? |
| 12:12.34 | abrotman | there is a Debian BSD |
| 12:12.49 | korkman | yep and i think of installing a storage server with zfs using that |
| 12:13.08 | TomyLobo | i was alluding to the devil mascot :) |
| 12:13.10 | jelly-home | does the bsd daemon do a debian swirly |
| 12:13.17 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: it's a daemon. |
| 12:13.29 | TomyLobo | how should i know the difference? |
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| 12:13.51 | jelly-home | you do a 30 second google search |
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| 12:14.25 | TomyLobo | he looks like the devil in south park |
| 12:14.29 | TomyLobo | just... not that fat |
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| 12:33.16 | h0n3st | ‎I need to install kernel 3.x.y on Debian stable. how can I install it without compile kernel? |
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| 12:33.26 | mah454 | How can understand number of messages in mailbox ? |
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| 12:35.08 | petemc | depends on the mailbox type |
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| 12:35.41 | petemc | but mutt -f /path/to/mailbox will show a total |
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| 12:36.55 | abrotman | !tell h0n3st about bpo |
| 12:39.02 | h0n3st | ‎abortman, not works! after instal kernel, I have not initd file for 3.x and it will not boot :-( |
| 12:40.51 | abrotman | h0n3st: sounds like you've done something wrong, lots of people using those |
| 12:42.02 | h0n3st | ‎abrotman, maybe! I will try again. |
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| 12:50.45 | ratatata | nu |
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| 12:57.08 | ladowacharpuny | anyone know how run script on halt/reboot? please dont google/man etc, because i dont know why but rc0 and rc6 dont work just |
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| 13:02.37 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: if your script is built right, then the man page has lots of useful examples so there you go, I can't see how you get it wrong if you do that from what I see and yeah I did man :P |
| 13:03.30 | ladowacharpuny | this is just normal script |
| 13:03.35 | ladowacharpuny | i dont care about warnings |
| 13:03.38 | ladowacharpuny | i just wanna get it work |
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| 13:05.30 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: there is See also /usr/share/doc/insserv/README.Debian and /etc/init.d/README |
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| 13:06.05 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: there is a skeleton file in there |
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| 13:09.10 | ladowacharpuny | ompaul: so i need have this info in script |
| 13:09.12 | ladowacharpuny | ? |
| 13:09.31 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: it is the way to set it up cleanly |
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| 13:10.05 | rootant | o/ |
| 13:10.23 | ladowacharpuny | there is some creator ?:D |
| 13:10.27 | ladowacharpuny | for this tags? |
| 13:10.48 | jay12 | hello. i have a problem with ati driver on debian squeeze |
| 13:11.01 | jay12 | this is the problem : http://pastebin.com/rYhn80zg |
| 13:12.37 | jay12 | can someone help me with that? |
| 13:13.00 | ladowacharpuny | but for what i need this tags? |
| 13:13.03 | ladowacharpuny | i just wanna run it... |
| 13:13.06 | ladowacharpuny | that is all |
| 13:13.13 | ladowacharpuny | there is nothing else to do |
| 13:14.05 | jay12 | nobody knows? :S |
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| 13:15.05 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: if you want to make it an init script this is the right way to do it - learn it use it and get it right else have your faulty box |
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| 13:16.22 | ladowacharpuny | but how just run it? |
| 13:16.26 | ladowacharpuny | i dont care about warnings |
| 13:16.29 | ladowacharpuny | i just wanna run it |
| 13:16.34 | ladowacharpuny | why this can't just work? |
| 13:17.59 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.10 | ompaul | do you have a correctly set environment |
| 13:18.13 | krion | is is working ? is it +x ? |
| 13:19.33 | ladowacharpuny | yes it is +x |
| 13:20.39 | ladowacharpuny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qvyeCGBm |
| 13:21.18 | ladowacharpuny | # head -1 /etc/init.d/bleachbit |
| 13:21.19 | ladowacharpuny | #!/bin/bash |
| 13:21.21 | ladowacharpuny | and dont work |
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| 13:22.01 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: put the content of the script in http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:22.22 | rgr | and cat /etc/init.d/beachbit |
| 13:22.29 | rgr | bet its a hangingin link.. |
| 13:22.31 | ompaul | !doesnt work |
| 13:22.31 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 13:23.10 | ladowacharpuny | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d9ea0f2b/ |
| 13:23.38 | rgr | so its recursive... |
| 13:24.16 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: eh I'll call myself to do something ?? |
| 13:24.28 | ladowacharpuny | 15:22 < ompaul> ladowacharpuny: put the content of the script in http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:24.41 | ladowacharpuny | this is content |
| 13:24.43 | rgr | ladowacharpuny: its calling itself. Its recurisve. |
| 13:24.54 | ladowacharpuny | what? |
| 13:25.10 | ladowacharpuny | /usr/bin/bleachbit |
| 13:25.11 | rgr | make your init file a new name. and ensure bleachbit is on the PATH. |
| 13:25.15 | ladowacharpuny | this is just same name |
| 13:25.16 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: firstly it shouldn't be called that |
| 13:25.23 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: firstly it shouldn't be called that |
| 13:25.33 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: secondly see firstly |
| 13:25.33 | ladowacharpuny | so change name scirpt? |
| 13:25.35 | rgr | depends on your path. if your path includes "." then it will load itself again. |
| 13:25.36 | rgr | yes |
| 13:25.50 | ladowacharpuny | hm |
| 13:27.15 | ladowacharpuny | update-rc.d af start 1 0 6 . |
| 13:27.16 | ladowacharpuny | good? |
| 13:27.18 | ladowacharpuny | for af name |
| 13:27.54 | rgr | and consider sticking some logging in e.g 'echo "running" > /tmp/bleachbit.log' |
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| 13:28.26 | rgr | rename it to bbinit or something and then reset the links. |
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| 13:29.02 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: that's a very very crude way to keep your disk clean - you should plan your use better and consider log files first |
| 13:29.17 | ladowacharpuny | but i just wanna it |
| 13:29.20 | ladowacharpuny | it will work now? |
| 13:29.43 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: it is as crude as hell I won't test it here |
| 13:30.03 | ladowacharpuny | :[ |
| 13:30.18 | ladowacharpuny | script work fine |
| 13:30.27 | ladowacharpuny | but exec on halt/reboot |
| 13:30.29 | ladowacharpuny | dont work |
| 13:30.32 | ladowacharpuny | now will? |
| 13:30.43 | ladowacharpuny | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.43 | ladowacharpuny | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.10 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: no promises I wonder would the script work anyway? |
| 13:31.30 | ladowacharpuny | but it will run just or dont? |
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| 13:32.03 | ladowacharpuny | at boot everything work always fine |
| 13:32.08 | ladowacharpuny | why on halt/reboot cant? |
| 13:32.10 | ompaul | how did you get 26 and 28 ? |
| 13:32.20 | ladowacharpuny | this is frm history |
| 13:32.21 | ladowacharpuny | copy |
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| 13:33.17 | ompaul | what version of debian |
| 13:33.21 | ladowacharpuny | wheezy |
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| 13:34.08 | ladowacharpuny | it will work now? |
| 13:35.03 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: in theory yes |
| 13:35.27 | ladowacharpuny | ok i go reboot |
| 13:35.28 | ladowacharpuny | brb |
| 13:35.31 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: it's not a great idea |
| 13:35.50 | ompaul | it is very crude - a bit like a blunt axe |
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| 13:41.15 | ladowacharpuny | ompaul: it don work |
| 13:41.26 | ladowacharpuny | # grep PURGE /var/log/messages |
| 13:41.28 | ladowacharpuny | nothing there |
| 13:41.34 | ladowacharpuny | from logger |
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| 13:42.18 | ompaul | anything in /var/log/bleachbit/root.log |
| 13:42.43 | ompaul | oh hang on you killed it |
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| 13:44.17 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: my suggestion is this, have your "af" script copy it to ar or some such, have it do a specific job - date |xargs echo >> sometemp-log and prove you have it |
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| 13:45.37 | ompaul | ladowacharpuny: if that works stick a set -x in there leave it verbose no trying to silence the noise until you know it works and then come back to it and do the silencing later |
| 13:46.03 | ladowacharpuny | after manual run |
| 13:46.03 | ladowacharpuny | # grep PURGED /var/log/messages |
| 13:46.03 | ladowacharpuny | May 20 15:44:09 az adam: PURGED @ nie, 20 maj 2012, 15:44:09 CEST |
| 13:46.04 | ladowacharpuny | ;[ |
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| 13:47.45 | linusoleander | Anyone know a good source for installing libmagick9-dev? |
| 13:47.54 | linusoleander | I can't find it using apt-get |
| 13:49.06 | craigevil | try using libmagick++-dev |
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| 13:50.34 | linusoleander | craigevil: It has some unmet dependencies |
| 13:50.45 | linusoleander | Do you have better source.list I can borrow |
| 13:51.34 | craigevil | try doing apt-cache search libmagick-dev |
| 13:52.04 | linusoleander | craigevil: I get graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat |
| 13:52.18 | linusoleander | It depends on libgraphicsmagick1-dev, which can't be find |
| 13:52.23 | linusoleander | *found |
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| 13:54.46 | linusoleander | craigevil: Any ideas? |
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| 13:55.06 | craigevil | nope im on sid not stable, installs just fine here |
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| 13:55.59 | linusoleander | craigevil: Can I use your source.list? |
| 13:56.16 | craigevil | not if you are running stable |
| 13:56.31 | linusoleander | I'm using squeeze/sid |
| 13:56.35 | craigevil | what are you trying to compile |
| 13:57.02 | linusoleander | craigevil: It looks like I've the same version as you |
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| 13:57.11 | linusoleander | But mine source.list might be older |
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| 13:58.25 | craigevil | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 14:00.45 | econdudeawesome | Howdy all. Anyone know of a repo with mate desktop in it? |
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| 14:01.04 | craigevil | mate has its own repo |
| 14:01.10 | econdudeawesome | for debian? |
| 14:01.27 | linusoleander | craigevil: https://gist.github.com/70cd2a6cc86623fb3390 |
| 14:02.01 | craigevil | econdudeawesome, see http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download#debian |
| 14:02.24 | econdudeawesome | just found it: mate-desktop.org/install |
| 14:02.28 | econdudeawesome | (for the logs) |
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| 14:02.59 | econdudeawesome | thanks yall! |
| 14:03.04 | linusoleander | craigevil: How does it look? |
| 14:03.05 | craigevil | linusoleander, you are running lenny, you need to upgrade to squeeze read the /topic |
| 14:03.29 | linusoleander | craigevil: It's a live server, I can't upgrade it |
| 14:03.36 | superdmp | what will happen if I try to run debootstrap on a filesystem that already has stuff installed on it? any ideas? |
| 14:03.37 | linusoleander | cat /etc/debian_version sas something else |
| 14:03.59 | craigevil | because you also have a line for squeeze |
| 14:04.28 | linusoleander | Okay, what does this mean? |
| 14:04.32 | craigevil | linusoleander, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and do what it says |
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| 14:04.48 | superdmp | all the discussions I have found concerning debootstrap assume that it's a fresh filesystem/directory |
| 14:04.52 | craigevil | and learn what debian releases are, http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 14:08.04 | valdyn | superdmp: it will most probably just overwrite existing files |
| 14:08.24 | valdyn | superdmp: since thats what dpkg does |
| 14:08.50 | superdmp | valdyn: but won't remove anything |
| 14:08.56 | valdyn | superdmp: no |
| 14:09.13 | valdyn | superdmp: config files will probably remain though |
| 14:09.21 | valdyn | superdmp: so that can be another problem |
| 14:09.40 | valdyn | superdmp: but i guess it will overwrite those too. Why dont you just try |
| 14:10.07 | superdmp | valdyn: I have a filesystem for a xen virtual machine, which I'd like to start again with - as if I'd put the distro disk into the machine and rebooted |
| 14:10.36 | valdyn | superdmp: so? that prevents you from running a little experiment? |
| 14:10.45 | superdmp | valdyn: in other words, re-install anew |
| 14:11.13 | superdmp | valdyn: I was hoping for some advice before I wreck things |
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| 14:11.38 | valdyn | superdmp: an experiment is not supposed to wreck things |
| 14:12.08 | linusoleander | craigevil: I'm aprently already running squeeze, could you bin your source.list so I can install the missing package? |
| 14:12.09 | superdmp | valdyn: indeed not |
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| 14:12.50 | craigevil | linusoleander, not with that sources.list you aren't, unless for some odd reason you changed it back to lenny |
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| 14:13.18 | superdmp | valdyn: I guess I could mount the target filesystem, and rm all files from it, before running debootstrap |
| 14:13.29 | linusoleander | craigevil: cat /etc/debian_version tells me I'm running squeez |
| 14:13.30 | superdmp | but I wondered if there were a better way |
| 14:13.32 | linusoleander | e |
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| 14:13.40 | craigevil | and my sources.list wouldn't work for you even if you were running squeeze |
| 14:13.58 | linusoleander | What source in the source.list has my package then? |
| 14:14.09 | linusoleander | I somehow need to installit |
| 14:14.26 | craigevil | change your list to squeeze |
| 14:14.45 | linusoleander | I've done that |
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| 14:15.20 | linusoleander | craigevil: It looks like this: https://gist.github.com/af3c6fc78bd7a7b1f513 |
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| 14:15.52 | cerales | Can anyone give me some tips on email server setup? I've set up postfix + dovecot on a server and it's all working fine. now i'm tring to use msmtp locally so that i can send mail with mutt via that server, but postfix on that server is rejecting my requests as they don't have a FQDN. |
| 14:15.58 | cerales | which they obviously don't since I'm sending it from my local system. |
| 14:16.12 | craigevil | linusoleander, take a look at https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home only use the part that is under Stable |
| 14:16.21 | valdyn | cerales: why use msmtp when you already have postfix? |
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| 14:17.09 | cerales | valdyn: I couldn't figure out how else to send mail with my local system. i use IMAP for reading my mail in mutt. how do i send it via that server without an MTA? |
| 14:17.13 | cerales | without a local MTA* |
| 14:17.26 | valdyn | cerales: mutt talks smtp too |
| 14:17.43 | cerales | Ah, I thought that was outside of mutt's remit. |
| 14:17.55 | cerales | so it will send the smtp requests to the MTA, it just won't do the MTA stuff? |
| 14:17.57 | valdyn | cerales: it probably was, once upon a time... |
| 14:18.14 | dizzylizzy | haha this is why I don't run experimental |
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| 14:18.30 | dizzylizzy | apparently libpng12 takes down all graphics on the system with an update in experimental today |
| 14:18.37 | cerales | valdyn: Still, the mutt docs seem to indicate it just passes the email to sendmail. |
| 14:18.39 | ladowacharpuny | ompaul: any idea how get it working? |
| 14:18.48 | valdyn | cerales: yea, it can do both |
| 14:19.12 | ladowacharpuny | how can i run something on halt/reboot, i need some 1000% workking way because I try do it over 1 day |
| 14:19.22 | cerales | cool. |
| 14:19.27 | linusoleander | craigevil: Tried a everyone under stable, but I still can't find it |
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| 14:19.54 | linusoleander | craigevil: These: https://gist.github.com/e969f2c0c99745425e3e |
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| 14:20.07 | cerales | valdyn: aha I see - a fe wlines below "mutt can't do this, and by design!", the docs explain how to do it. |
| 14:20.10 | cerales | valdyn: thanks for the help/ |
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| 14:20.53 | craigevil | linusoleander, that looks fine although you might want to go ahead and comment the last two lines |
| 14:21.04 | craigevil | did you run apt-get update after changing your list? |
| 14:21.42 | linusoleander | craigevil: Yes |
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| 14:23.39 | craigevil | no a clue, try searching packages.debian.org |
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| 14:24.23 | linusoleander | craigevil: I tried this list, which finds the package I'm looking for. https://gist.github.com/69f4ef20822607021241 |
| 14:24.23 | linusoleander | But is it safe to use the list |
| 14:24.29 | linusoleander | I've not installed the packge yet |
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| 14:24.34 | linusoleander | *packages |
| 14:25.10 | linusoleander | There is a bunch of testing and unstable sources in the list |
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| 14:26.12 | craigevil | do not mix stable/squeeze, with testing/wheezy and sid |
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| 14:26.31 | Habstinat | I'm a bit confused about mknod. When I try to run "mknod /dev/floppy" as root, I get "mknod: `/dev/': File exists |
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| 14:26.56 | craigevil | linusoleander, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/howto-get-newer-package-versions-for-debian-stable-34611/ |
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| 14:27.07 | Habstinat | However, when I try to run mknod with a file that doesn't exist, I also get an error saying the file doesn't exist. |
| 14:27.17 | Habstinat | What can I do to remedy this? |
| 14:27.34 | ladowacharpuny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WZYRhsHM |
| 14:27.35 | ladowacharpuny | any idea? |
| 14:28.57 | linusoleander | craigevil: It looks like the package I'm looking for is placed in some testing source |
| 14:29.19 | linusoleander | I can't find the package when I remove everything that's related to testing |
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| 14:30.08 | OU818 | i cannot get X to restart properly after testing vbetool dpms force off, the pc just beeps every few minutes. is there a way to get X to function properly again without reboot? |
| 14:31.45 | linusoleander | craigevil: It looks like these lines contains the packge: https://gist.github.com/383ab6d59233daf66491 |
| 14:31.56 | linusoleander | Is there a corresponding source for stable? |
| 14:33.42 | craigevil | what are you trying to install that you need a -dev package? |
| 14:34.42 | linusoleander | I'm trying to get RMagic to work |
| 14:35.26 | craigevil | ,versions rmagic |
| 14:35.28 | judd | Package: rmagic on i386 -- lenny: 2.21-4; squeeze: 2.21-4; sid: 2.21-4.1; wheezy: 2.21-4.1 |
| 14:35.34 | nkuttler | OU818: restart X? |
| 14:35.54 | craigevil | linusoleander, rmagic is in the repos, apt-get install rmagic |
| 14:36.09 | linusoleander | craigevil: But it should be installed using ruby gems |
| 14:36.38 | linusoleander | Ruby has it's own package manager |
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| 14:37.37 | nkuttler | linusoleander: you really should use debian packages unless you have a good reason not to |
| 14:37.52 | craigevil | never messed with ruby, you can try backporting the packages you need /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:38.29 | linusoleander | nkuttler: Packages that is on rubygems.org need to be installed using rubygems |
| 14:39.41 | linusoleander | I need about 600 packages |
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| 14:48.05 | _16aR_ | Hello |
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| 14:49.59 | linkedinyou | hello guys everytime i tryed to install anything it ask for dependences lib for version 6.0.2 can anyone please give me the command for most dependance and all needed files for new rented dedicated server |
| 14:50.05 | _16aR_ | say : you have a secret key/public key keypair, and now, it's signature is hashed by SHA1, but you want to change it by SHA2, without regenerating a key. Is it possible ? Will it change the fingerprint and thus the identity in the web of trust ? |
| 14:50.35 | Tarj_sErck | ¿ganador?del>tercer?lugar?del?concurso?"coretex>[3]>security>edition"? |
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| 14:51.40 | nkuttler | !tell linkedinyou about errors |
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| 14:52.34 | Hello123 | !seen Libra |
| 14:52.34 | dpkg | Hello123: i haven't seen 'libra' |
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| 14:52.52 | dpkg | Hello123: i haven't seen 'dildo' |
| 14:53.25 | craigevil | !sunday |
| 14:53.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:53.47 | Hello123 | dpkg: sukadik |
| 14:53.47 | dpkg | Hello123: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 14:54.00 | Hello123 | sukadik |
| 14:54.02 | Hello123 | all |
| 14:54.12 | nkuttler | Hello123: do you have a debian question? |
| 14:54.29 | Hello123 | what is a debian? |
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| 14:54.38 | Hello123 | never even heard of it |
| 14:54.40 | nkuttler | !tell Hello123 about debian |
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| 14:57.01 | Hello123 | !youtube debian |
| 14:57.38 | phogg | Hello123: if you're going to abuse the bots you could at least do it in private |
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| 15:01.48 | Skrzyp | Hi. I have a problem with installing Debian on my Sun Ultra 10 Creator (sparc64). When I'm using businesscard CD, it stops installation at 32% with "installing core packages". |
| 15:01.48 | OU818 | nkuttler: its not exactly restarting X that i need, looks like I need to reload all INIT services. every few minutes I hear a beep followd by "INIT version 2.88 reload" and a blank screen |
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| 15:02.36 | Skrzyp | I don't know how to change VTs on this weird Sun keyboard |
| 15:03.16 | nkuttler | !tell Skrzyp about sparc |
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| 15:03.32 | nkuttler | Skrzyp: also #debian-boot @ oftc is for installer support |
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| 15:04.03 | thewanderer1 | guys, where does one find SDL_gfxPrimitives.h ? |
| 15:04.27 | nkuttler | !tell thewanderer1 about search |
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| 15:05.30 | thewanderer1 | aha, I thought it wasn't in the packages |
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| 15:05.37 | mamemame187 | are there any ayatana repos for debian sid? |
| 15:05.40 | OU818 | nkuttler: any idea how to do a restart w. out power down? |
| 15:06.49 | mamemame187 | OU818, last time I tried, debian does not power down when u restart |
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| 15:08.50 | OU818 | mamemame187: im looking to do some kinda restart where i wont lose uptime (trivial I know, its more for learning) id like to restart all my services, or restart in a way where i skip grub |
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| 15:09.03 | Hello123 | !uno |
| 15:09.26 | nkuttler | !tell Hello123 about msg the bot |
| 15:09.52 | Hello123 | !tell nkuttler about sex porn |
| 15:10.05 | nkuttler | !ops Hello123 trolling |
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| 15:10.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: Hello123 trolling |
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| 15:15.21 | OU818 | i always read "unless you change kernels there is no need to reboot" if this is the case, what steps can I take to restart all services on my system without rebooting? |
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| 15:18.12 | OU818 | must be a really good question if no one has an idea lulz - rebooting |
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| 15:19.05 | nkuttler | OU818: it sounded like you want to restart init. no idea about that. if not i guess you could switch to single user runlevel and back |
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| 15:21.48 | ladowacharpuny | anyone 100% know how run command before halt/shutdown? |
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| 15:25.20 | valdyn | ladowacharpuny: which command ? |
| 15:25.28 | valdyn | ladowacharpuny: to achieve what? |
| 15:25.34 | ladowacharpuny | i have just script |
| 15:25.42 | ladowacharpuny | and wanna exec before halt |
| 15:26.00 | valdyn | ladowacharpuny: you want to get less vague so I can give a useful answer |
| 15:26.36 | kephra | ladowacharpuny, you need to create an init.d script - and use update-rc.d to register it |
| 15:26.57 | ladowacharpuny | it dont work |
| 15:27.01 | ladowacharpuny | i testing it whole day |
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| 15:27.09 | ladowacharpuny | it need LSB tags to get working? |
| 15:27.21 | ladowacharpuny | because my firewall on boot via init.d work without it |
| 15:27.23 | kephra | on debian, yes |
| 15:27.29 | ladowacharpuny | and same i setup this script |
| 15:27.39 | ladowacharpuny | and it dont work |
| 15:27.39 | ladowacharpuny | i don't care about warnings... |
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| 15:30.25 | Slex | hello to everyone |
| 15:30.33 | Slex | i'm a debian user but now i have a big problem |
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| 15:32.22 | Slex | can someone help me? |
| 15:32.37 | Slex | i installed debian on my macbook but it can't boot |
| 15:33.24 | Slex | i mean debian os x boot normally |
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| 15:49.21 | Slex | is there someone that can help me? |
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| 15:50.21 | ompaul | Slex: no idea about macbooks this might help http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 15:50.52 | Slex | i followed that |
| 15:51.00 | Slex | no success |
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| 15:51.27 | Slex | the nice thing is that until 3 days ago i did work with os x + freebsd 9 w/o problems |
| 15:51.31 | Slex | in dual boot |
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| 15:54.27 | ompaul | Slex: what changed in that time? |
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| 15:55.17 | Slex | that i need the support for the BCM43224 broadcom wireless that freebsd 0 bwn driver hasn't |
| 15:55.35 | Slex | so also debian-kfreebsd will have/have the same problem |
| 15:55.46 | Slex | 0=9 |
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| 15:56.15 | ompaul | Slex: please look at the web page I pointed you to it has references |
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| 15:57.59 | Slex | i followed all that wiki, to install debian, about 4 times :( |
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| 15:59.53 | moty66 | Slex: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13170 |
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| 16:01.55 | Slex | nice, but the problem is that my grub doesn't see the filesystem so no kernel loaded |
| 16:02.22 | Slex | when i choose linux form refit, grub is loaded, then it says: unknown filesystem |
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| 16:03.03 | amnesia1 | wl |
| 16:03.14 | amnesia1 | sorry, disregard |
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| 16:05.54 | mafiaboy | going to switch from ubuntu 12.04 to debian 6.0.5 |
| 16:06.13 | mafiaboy | ubuntu 12.04 is too unstable for now |
| 16:08.19 | ompaul | mafiaboy: debian comes in stable at that, move above it and you will find unstable your friend |
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| 16:08.32 | ompaul | mafiaboy: and that breaks things |
| 16:08.52 | Slex | i try the last way, installing w/o bootlader just refit |
| 16:09.00 | ompaul | mafiaboy: and then you find people who say use testing, but then that is testing |
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| 16:09.32 | ompaul | Slex: you just said you had a radio problem I pointed you at the page that tells you all about how to do your macbook with debian please read it |
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| 16:10.11 | Slex | no radio problem was with freebsd not debian |
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| 16:10.34 | ompaul | Slex: ok, did you read that page? |
| 16:10.52 | ompaul | Slex: that one >>> http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 16:11.27 | Slex | yes i'm with that page open from 3 days ago |
| 16:11.39 | Slex | also now is open, and before to come here xD |
| 16:12.22 | ompaul | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Preparing_to_dual_boot_.28via_OS_X.29:_rEFIt |
| 16:12.24 | DrNoboto | anyone here familiar with debian on a plugpc? |
| 16:12.27 | DrNoboto | a sheevaplug perhaps |
| 16:12.46 | ompaul | DrNoboto: would that be more embedded debian ? |
| 16:12.51 | ompaul | !embedded |
| 16:13.34 | DrNoboto | yeah, a bit more embedded |
| 16:13.36 | DrNoboto | :) |
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| 16:13.43 | ompaul | !emdebian |
| 16:13.44 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:16.24 | DrNoboto | hmm |
| 16:16.40 | DrNoboto | mainsteam debian is perfectly capable of running on this thing, so i'd just as soon stick with it |
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| 16:19.27 | asarch | ,kernels --release wheezy |
| 16:19.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1) |
| 16:19.51 | asarch | Thank you! |
| 16:19.52 | asarch | :-) |
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| 16:22.03 | DrNoboto | i'm just having trouble getting the NAND device to show up as mtd |
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| 16:22.29 | DrNoboto | i thought default kernels had mtd built in |
| 16:22.52 | DrNoboto | so i might be passing the wrong boot parameters |
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| 16:27.32 | giricz81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.40 | Slex | i hope that debian switch to freebsd soon and forever |
| 16:27.42 | giricz81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.56 | giricz81 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.06 | giricz81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.16 | giricz81 | and there are some bugs which are still open |
| 16:28.25 | giricz81 | is there any workaround to get it working again? |
| 16:28.46 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | !ipv6 |
| 16:28.47 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 16:28.51 | giricz81 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.06 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | !nopiv6 |
| 16:29.11 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | whoops |
| 16:29.15 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | !noipv6 |
| 16:29.16 | dpkg | From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 16:29.31 | pablo | hi guys, where can I find the logs of the initscripts? |
| 16:30.47 | roboman2444 | anyone help with my comreset failed problem? |
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| 16:55.25 | SpComb | what's the expected behavior of debian as a KVM guest as regards virtio/PCI hotplug |
| 16:55.56 | SpComb | is the sysadmin just expected to add 'acpihp' to /etc/modules as a local policy, or is there some other mechanism for that? |
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| 16:56.46 | F`uckJustinBiebe | f |
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| 17:01.45 | amflir | is there a package for Debian that changes the wallpaper randomly from a couple of selected pictures randomly every x minutes?! |
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| 17:04.36 | craigevil | amflir, take a look at desktopnova |
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| 17:06.46 | amflir | craigevil: ty |
| 17:08.36 | arietis | hi, any ideas why i can't run script via ./scriptname? it says file not found but i'm pretty sure it's in the current directory |
| 17:08.56 | Sm0ke0ut | make sure it's executable (chmod +x file) |
| 17:09.24 | amflir | arietis: maybe pasting the first 10 lines will help |
| 17:09.34 | arietis | it is |
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| 17:10.39 | arietis | i'm not sure if it's script actually but it's called with command exec in another shell script |
| 17:10.53 | arietis | when i open it in editor it's in binary mode |
| 17:11.15 | doomster | exec is not necessarily for scripts |
| 17:11.28 | arietis | this shell script can't find file either |
| 17:11.37 | arietis | gonna post code |
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| 17:12.02 | doomster | run "file" on the according files, it should give you a hint what kind of file you have there |
| 17:12.02 | amflir | try `. ./filename` && `source ./filename` && `/bin/bash ./filename` |
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| 17:13.54 | arietis | https://gist.github.com/283f428978d4a0a02990 at line 56 i get error exec: 56: ./ncb: not found |
| 17:14.15 | arietis | ncb is in the same directory as this shell script |
| 17:14.22 | amflir | how to check what packages depended on package FOO are installed? |
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| 17:18.10 | andsens | Hey guys. Anybody know something about startup and shutdown scripts? |
| 17:18.21 | andsens | i.e. dependency based booting |
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| 17:25.54 | bitHipy | after migrating to Squeeze, I no longer have the "play" app, for audio. What package do I need? is that part of sox? |
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| 17:26.54 | dalias | packages.debian.org has a search feature whereby you could search for it |
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| 17:27.56 | bitHipy | thanks |
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| 17:29.29 | TheRealNecator | I have got a strange problem here: su fetchmail -c "some_command" just does nothing. Nothing at all. just returns without any notice or anything |
| 17:29.57 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.47 | LtL | TheRealNecator: su fetchmail, means switch to user fetchmail |
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| 17:31.37 | TheRealNecator | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.05 | LtL | TheRealNecator: ok, i stand corrected |
| 17:32.31 | TheRealNecator | i simply do not understand why nothing happens when is run something as su fetchmail |
| 17:32.46 | LtL | i've user fetchmail and never had the user named 'fetchmail' |
| 17:33.14 | TheRealNecator | if i do: su some_user -c "some_command" all works correct |
| 17:33.21 | LtL | TheRealNecator: tail -f /var/log/syslog while you attempt it |
| 17:33.33 | TheRealNecator | of course |
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| 17:34.06 | TheRealNecator | but even something like: su fetchmail -c "/bin/ls" does plainly nothing at all |
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| 17:35.23 | LtL | TheRealNecator: what if you did su -c fetchmail etc |
| 17:35.49 | TheRealNecator | then it runs as root, and that should be avouded |
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| 17:37.05 | LtL | permissions maybe on fetchmail? |
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| 17:37.33 | bitHipy | bummer! play cannot handle mp3's => play FAIL formats: no handler for file extension `mp3' |
| 17:38.11 | TheRealNecator | permissions on /bin/ls? (permissions on /usr/bin/fetchmail ar ok) |
| 17:38.16 | bitHipy | how can mp3 be overlooked? |
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| 17:40.20 | LtL | bitHipy: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 17:40.28 | grobda24 | bitHipy: because it's not a free standard |
| 17:40.58 | bitHipy | grobda24: that was my first thought, however, Rhythmbox supports mp3 |
| 17:41.22 | bitHipy | and Rhythmbox was a stock tool (i did not install it specifically) |
| 17:41.34 | grobda24 | hmmm |
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| 17:45.27 | TheRealNecator | @bitHipy: I did a little googling: perhaps a "apt-get install libsox-fmt-mp3" may help you? |
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| 17:46.02 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 17:47.08 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: that worked |
| 17:47.16 | TheRealNecator | cool :_) |
| 17:47.25 | bitHipy | i was just about to install libmad.. glad you interrupted |
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| 17:48.14 | TheRealNecator | well, but my su fetchmail problem seems to stay unresolevd |
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| 17:48.36 | Mr_Queue | I want to send a GUI pop up about the reboot I've scheduled on my girl's moms machine.. I don't know where to start. Can I echo something out to a /dev file? |
| 17:49.25 | untrusted | Mr_Queue: X ? |
| 17:49.40 | Mr_Queue | untrusted: Yeah she's on stable.. |
| 17:49.56 | untrusted | Mr_Queue: and logged in at the moment? |
| 17:50.07 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: if you want to run fetchmail as the fetchmail user, wouldn't it be => su fetchmail fetchmail...? |
| 17:50.15 | Mr_Queue | But I just want to kick a notification out.. Yes she is logged in.. |
| 17:50.23 | Mr_Queue | I want a GUI 'wall' |
| 17:50.57 | TheRealNecator | bitHipy: Jup. Just su fetchmail ignores any command i pass on |
| 17:51.03 | untrusted | Mr_Queue: i don't think there is a standard gui wall |
| 17:51.17 | Mr_Queue | herp a derp... |
| 17:51.59 | untrusted | Mr_Queue: simplest method is to get access to the x server (for example su to the user) and use something like zenity ... |
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| 17:52.45 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: you might try: su fetchmail -c "bash -x command" |
| 17:53.06 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: i think adding the "bash -x" will give some trace.. more verbose output |
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| 17:54.45 | TheRealNecator | bitHipy: simply noting at all. |
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| 17:54.57 | TheRealNecator | funny thing: even if i fire up strace, nuthing changes |
| 17:55.23 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: get an exit code? echo $? |
| 17:55.46 | anlarye | Mr_Queue: you should be able to do a gui popup with gxmessage installed |
| 17:55.57 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: what command are you running? maybe the command is silent |
| 17:56.07 | Mr_Queue | untrusted: I could just call her... I want printed to X "Guys we need a reboot, finish what you're doing and roll this box else I'm going to do it in 2 hours." |
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| 17:56.16 | Mr_Queue | anlarye: ^ |
| 17:56.27 | TheRealNecator | any command |
| 17:56.32 | TheRealNecator | e.G. /bin/ls |
| 17:56.36 | TheRealNecator | not so silen |
| 17:56.50 | TheRealNecator | even if I try to create a file, nuthing happens |
| 17:57.05 | TheRealNecator | (in the case, something prevents stdout) |
| 17:58.26 | TheRealNecator | ah, exit code 1 |
| 17:58.32 | TheRealNecator | something fails |
| 17:58.54 | TheRealNecator | system or authentification failure |
| 17:59.00 | bitHipy | i'm not sure if that's the exit code of su, or the app |
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| 17:59.08 | bitHipy | su probably passes on the exit code of the app |
| 17:59.36 | bitHipy | TheRealNecator: you might try using gksu instead |
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| 17:59.58 | bitHipy | or sudo |
| 18:00.49 | bitHipy | i usually use sudo instead. I've only had to use su -c on one occasion, to get around a problem with sudo |
| 18:00.54 | TheRealNecator | well, i want to run fetcmail from cron (guess ;-)) ... I also could go the deamon-way, but I was happy with the cron-way for decades ... |
| 18:01.37 | bitHipy | fetchmail has its own daemon for a reason, i suspect |
| 18:02.14 | TheRealNecator | well, the debian packages creates also a user for the other usage, i suspect |
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| 18:02.41 | TheRealNecator | i think I'll delete the fetchmail user und rereate it |
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| 18:05.30 | blubb | Hi! |
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| 18:08.57 | DrNoboto | hey |
| 18:09.08 | DrNoboto | i'm having trouble bringing up eth0 |
| 18:09.20 | DrNoboto | Unable to set up timer: unexpected error |
| 18:09.20 | DrNoboto | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 18:10.03 | DrNoboto | dmesg says: |
| 18:10.06 | DrNoboto | mv643xx_eth_port mv643xx_eth_port.0: eth0: link up, 1000 Mb/s, full duplex, flow control disabled |
| 18:10.44 | TheRealNecator | Ah, setting a correct shell (was /bin/false) helps |
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| 18:17.32 | doomster | DrNoboto: What exactly did you do, what gave those messages? |
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| 18:18.40 | DrNoboto | ifup eth0 |
| 18:22.01 | doomster | ifup reads settings from /etc/network/interfaces, mucking with that can break things |
| 18:22.22 | doomster | you could try running it with '-v' or somesuch to make it a bit more verbose |
| 18:22.50 | petemc | that doesnt look like a problem with the interfaces file |
| 18:23.09 | petemc | DrNoboto: is this funky hardware? |
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| 18:23.16 | DrNoboto | yeah, sorta |
| 18:23.50 | DrNoboto | i managed to get things working by blindly following a forum post |
| 18:24.02 | DrNoboto | route add -net 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.1 eth0 |
| 18:24.08 | DrNoboto | and now i have ethernet |
| 18:24.19 | DrNoboto | still have no idea what happened |
| 18:24.22 | DrNoboto | or what that did though :P |
| 18:24.43 | doomster | so network works, but ifup doesn't? |
| 18:25.00 | DrNoboto | now they both work |
| 18:25.06 | DrNoboto | before neither of them worked |
| 18:25.14 | hyisck | most likely the interface was already up |
| 18:25.22 | DrNoboto | dmesg said it was up |
| 18:25.46 | DrNoboto | ifdown said eth0 wasn't configured |
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| 18:26.15 | doomster | you can bring up an interface without ifup, but then ifdown doesn't know about it |
| 18:27.18 | DrNoboto | aha |
| 18:27.42 | DrNoboto | so how do i prevent this from happening again? :S |
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| 18:27.49 | hyisck | happens all the time with ifup/down |
| 18:27.56 | hyisck | just use --force, and it might work |
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| 18:29.11 | hyisck | weird that you had to add the route yourself, though |
| 18:29.32 | DrNoboto | yeah |
| 18:29.41 | DrNoboto | now that it's added, i shouldn't have to mess with that again right? |
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| 18:30.54 | hyisck | if the interface is properly configured, no |
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| 18:32.40 | Etale | Hi y'all. I've been using Ubuntu so far, but I want to be a little more hardcore than that. Would Debian be a good choice? How is the Debian repo compared to the Ubuntu repo? |
| 18:33.27 | Etale | (I want to install it on a 500GB, 8GB RAM, 64-bit laptop.) |
| 18:33.48 | hyisck | try it out in a VM or something and decide for yourself |
| 18:33.50 | DrNoboto | define hardcore |
| 18:34.33 | Etale | Mmm... I don't want to feel like I'm restricting myself. I figured since Ubuntu is based on Debian I can probably do the same things, but would have more customizability... |
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| 18:35.00 | Etale | hyisck, I want to install *some* OS tomorrow and I don't really want to try them all. I'm asking for advice. |
| 18:35.28 | jagginess | Etale, try using vmware or virtualbox, that's my advice |
| 18:35.46 | Etale | How is the Debian repo compared to Ubuntu's? Is it the same size? Does one strictly includes the other? |
| 18:36.05 | jagginess | Etale, ubuntu repos for ubuntu, debian repos for debian |
| 18:36.21 | hyisck | you should try them all |
| 18:36.22 | Etale | Which has more stuff in it? Are they comparable? |
| 18:36.55 | dharc | gnugr: I will give up =/ |
| 18:36.59 | jagginess | Etale, try both of them, and see which one you like |
| 18:37.56 | dharc | Etale: Debian and LMDE are better than Ubuntu ;) |
| 18:38.02 | Etale | I mean, say somebody develops a program. Then either that person or somebody else has to compile it and put in some repo, right? So that means that the more people are willing to do that for a particular distro, the better its repo is. That's why I'm wondering about the repos... |
| 18:38.15 | Etale | dharc, thank you! An opinion! |
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| 18:39.26 | Etale | Are both of their repos cared for to the same extent? Who does it compare to Arch's repo, or Sabayon's repo? |
| 18:39.39 | hyisck | it doesn't matter |
| 18:39.44 | Etale | I was surprised that there are no discussion on the internet about which repos are larger... |
| 18:39.46 | jagginess | Etale, you're asking a generic linux question.. you should be asking in #linux.. this topic goes way beyond debian.. the general rule is-- open source developers make a tarball not targetted for any distro, and then there's projects dedicated to only a particular distro.. Tarballs can modified before "packaged" for a particular distro. |
| 18:39.50 | jagginess | !vanilla |
| 18:39.50 | dpkg | somebody said vanilla was plain | original | canonical | unmodified | ordinary | standard | default |
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| 18:41.08 | Etale | jagginess, coolness. |
| 18:41.14 | jagginess | Etale, i doubt anybody here is using Arch, here too it's a generic question better tailored in #linux |
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| 18:42.39 | mroe | Is there a way to find out the version that was initially installed on a system? |
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| 18:51.50 | craigevil | Etale, Synaptic shows I have access to 38,306 packages |
| 18:51.56 | roboman2444 | anyone know a workaround to comreset failed errno=-16 problem? |
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| 18:53.23 | blubb | I'm having a problem with binutils ./. binutils-multiarch: http://pastie.org/3941007 |
| 18:53.46 | fanderal | mroe: first commented line in /etc/apt/sources.list should show install cd/dvd |
| 18:54.06 | mroe | ah |
| 18:54.07 | mroe | good call |
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| 18:54.25 | doomster | roboman2444: errno 16 is EBUSY, something is sitting on the according resource |
| 18:54.36 | roboman2444 | so, how doth yonder fix? |
| 18:54.41 | mroe | looks like the file was cleaned up |
| 18:54.44 | mroe | any other idea? |
| 18:54.47 | mroe | ideas* |
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| 18:55.28 | doomster | roboman2444: I don't even know whata you did, but you might find out who's blocking a (device-)file using "lsof" |
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| 18:55.39 | roboman2444 | cant boot |
| 18:55.50 | roboman2444 | i can get into busybox though |
| 18:56.10 | roboman2444 | and it only does that on this motherboard... other mobos work |
| 18:56.31 | fanderal | mroe: check first aptitude log in /var/log (or whatever pkg mgr used) |
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| 18:57.41 | mroe | fanderal: /var/log/apt/term.log only goes back to 2011 |
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| 18:57.56 | korkman | do i need to load initrd on debian, or can i skip it and run from rootfs directly? |
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| 18:58.40 | fanderal | mroe: outa ideas, maybe someone else knows |
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| 18:58.57 | korkman | catched boot time optimizing fever |
| 18:59.08 | doomster | roboman2444: I'd try disabling the device in the BIOS or something like that, but I don't really know a solution. Good luck! |
| 18:59.23 | roboman2444 | cant disable it lol, |
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| 18:59.29 | roboman2444 | because im trying to boot it |
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| 19:08.16 | KSHawkEye | Hi there, I updated my Debian and now I'm unable to connect to the Internet. It shows I'm connected to my wired network, but I can't access any sites. Any ideas? |
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| 19:09.01 | petemc | KSHawkEye: open a terminal, try ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 19:09.57 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: is the package "ifupdown" installed ? |
| 19:10.20 | KSHawkEye | petemc: It's only reading: PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. |
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| 19:12.17 | KSHawkEye | valdyn: Yes |
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| 19:12.38 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: so bring up your interface "ifup eth0" or similar |
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| 19:14.23 | KSHawkEye | valdyn: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
| 19:14.27 | fanderal | mroe: check /var/log/installer/lsb-release or the ginstall-info cmd |
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| 19:14.47 | maher | anyone know anything about gnumeric? is it possible to use the contents of a cell to refer to a cell? I have a cell, say A1 containing "sheet2", and so I want to doe something like ="contents of A1"!C3 or something |
| 19:14.50 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: i dont know your interfaces name |
| 19:15.04 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: it should be visible in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:15.24 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: is it maybe wlan? |
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| 19:17.12 | Mr_Queue | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:17.43 | valdyn | maher: hlookup / vlookup ? |
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| 19:19.27 | valdyn | maher: or "indirect" |
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| 19:22.35 | KSHawkEye | valdyn: eth0 is my Ethernet interface, |
| 19:22.56 | rainfyre | hey all. I'm wondering if anyone has a receommendation for an email client that doesn't use as much memory as iceweasel/thunderbird. I'm on an old laptop here :) |
| 19:23.26 | dalias | mutt |
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| 19:23.59 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: install back network-manager or whatever you used before the "upgrade" or read man interfaces and configure it properly in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:24.29 | valdyn | KSHawkEye: or maybe its not really eth0, but you said it is |
| 19:25.12 | valdyn | rainfyre: mutt or sylpheed |
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| 19:25.42 | rainfyre | valdyn: hey cool thanks. Is mutt different than alpine? I've used alpine for years |
| 19:25.58 | valdyn | rainfyre: yes |
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| 19:28.37 | rainfyre | valdyn: downloaded and installed. thank you |
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| 19:31.25 | SNow | Hi guys, I have an issue, I have a website that serves static .jpg to external websites, for example GET /di-4FXU.jpg, and I have apache2 running on 8080 ports, with keep alive off, then I have varnish on port 80, and a default configuration of /etc/default/varnish with: -a :80 -T localhost:6082 -b localhost:8080 cache file size 3G and the thing is, that I have cache hits 0.1 max, the most I have backend conns recycles and backends conns made. Why I don' |
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| 19:32.52 | anlarye | SNow: you cut off with: the most I have backend conns recycles and backends conns made. Why I don' |
| 19:33.15 | maher | valdyn: =indirect(concatenate(A1,"!C3")) <-- from someone on #gnumeric... |
| 19:33.16 | bitHipy | anyone using wuala? how do they make money? their debian tool is text based |
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| 19:34.33 | SNow | Why I don't have cache hits ? |
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| 19:48.15 | angs | is there any room for debian squeeze? |
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| 19:48.54 | petemc | angs: this is it |
| 19:49.20 | angs | ok thanks |
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| 19:50.59 | SNow | How can i overwrite requests made to varnish, that are with .jpg to go to another backend? |
| 19:51.02 | maher | rainfyre: alpine is in debian... |
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| 19:51.05 | tekzilla | created a fresh ext4 fs with -m 0 and 2.4G are used on a 150G filesystem, whats might that used space be |
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| 19:51.46 | dalias | how did you measure space used? |
| 19:51.54 | doomster | SNow: there's a #varnish channel ... tried that? |
| 19:51.58 | tekzilla | df |
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| 19:53.19 | angs | I would like to install debian squeeze to my embedded board (beaglebone). Is there any reference webpage that I can read about the installation instruction and GPIO usage, etc.? |
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| 19:55.48 | tekzilla | dalias: it seems ext4 preallocates the total overhead for the filesystem |
| 19:56.26 | dalias | of course, but that shouldn't be included in "space used" |
| 19:56.36 | dalias | that should just be overhead that's not visible in either the used or total space... |
| 19:56.44 | dalias | i suspect you're right |
| 19:56.56 | dalias | and it's just bad design of the way ext4 reports usage |
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| 19:57.35 | tekzilla | any other good shrinkable fs coming to mind ? |
| 19:57.51 | tekzilla | except for reiser.. |
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| 20:01.03 | angs | I would like to install debian squeeze to my embedded board (beaglebone). Is there any reference webpage that I can read about the installation instruction and GPIO usage, etc.? |
| 20:01.21 | angs | where can I install the image files for the installation? |
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| 20:06.07 | angs | hello? |
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| 20:07.44 | cibegt | hi |
| 20:08.29 | cibegt | after the last update of my wheezy system i don't have the desktop anymore |
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| 20:09.06 | cibegt | my video card is radeon 4650 |
| 20:09.28 | cibegt | and i installed fglx |
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| 20:12.38 | sevenfourk | cibegt: do you think you gave all the information by "i don't have the desktop anymore"? |
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| 20:13.03 | craigevil | i can tell you what he meant, X is not loading or if it does it crashes right away |
| 20:13.04 | tekzilla | cibegt: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver to fglrx or add a device with fglrx |
| 20:13.30 | cibegt | sevenfourk: maybe not |
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| 20:13.58 | cibegt | sevenfourk: let me explain |
| 20:14.21 | craigevil | either try reinstalling fglrx, and edit xorg.conf so it uses it or install xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xog-video-radeon and remove xorg.conf |
| 20:15.44 | cibegt | craigevil: trying to install fglrx-control and fglrx-driver i get this error: |
| 20:16.40 | cibegt | couldn't find any package whose name or description matched fglrx-control |
| 20:17.05 | cibegt | no candidate version found for fglrx-driver |
| 20:17.20 | craigevil | ,versions fglrx-control |
| 20:17.21 | judd | Package: fglrx-control on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-4-1 |
| 20:17.39 | craigevil | it was removed from Testing/wheezy |
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| 20:18.42 | cibegt | the last error is this: |
| 20:18.52 | craigevil | cibegt, either try to install it from sid, or just use the radeon driver |
| 20:19.02 | cibegt | Error cnnectiong: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.LimitExceeded: The maximum |
| 20:19.11 | cibegt | number of active connection fur UID 0 has been reached |
| 20:19.17 | craigevil | ,versions libgl1-fglrx-glx |
| 20:19.18 | judd | Package: libgl1-fglrx-glx on i386 -- sid/non-free: 1:12-4-1 |
| 20:19.39 | cibegt | craigevil: how can i use radeon driver? |
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| 20:20.16 | jagginess | what's a good substitute for webmin? ispconfig? |
| 20:20.17 | craigevil | make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-ati installed and remove xorg.conf |
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| 20:20.49 | cibegt | craigevil: trying to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon i get this error again: |
| 20:20.53 | cibegt | Error cnnectiong: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.LimitExceeded: The maximum |
| 20:20.58 | cibegt | number of active connection fur UID 0 has been reached |
| 20:21.36 | cibegt | error connecting:* |
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| 20:23.52 | cibegt | craigevil: if i use aptitude i get the error. but using apt-get it installed the packages and gets the error agian |
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| 20:24.32 | craigevil | did you remove or move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? and restart X or reboot |
| 20:24.43 | cibegt | craigevil: no |
| 20:24.55 | angs | is debian squeeze designed for embedded boards? |
| 20:25.10 | cibegt | craigevil: shall i do it? |
| 20:25.28 | craigevil | angs, it should work, might want to take a look at emdebian.org |
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| 20:25.49 | sevenfourk | cibegt: look the chat above, actually he mentioned it. |
| 20:26.05 | cibegt | sevenfourk: ok |
| 20:26.08 | angs | craigevil: thanks |
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| 20:27.01 | cibegt | sevenfourk: yes i see it |
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| 20:31.16 | cibegt | craigevil: thanks, installing radeon and ati packages helped but i'm using dual monitor and now just one monitor works |
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| 20:32.17 | craigevil | cant help you there havent had dual monitors in years |
| 20:32.56 | cibegt | craigevil: thanks |
| 20:34.20 | angs | what is Debian Wheezy, is it a distribution like ubuntu? |
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| 20:36.41 | angs | would linaro-image-tools and live-build work on ubuntu? |
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| 20:40.12 | xylon2 | hi, how to restart dovecot daemon? |
| 20:40.18 | xylon2 | or any daemon |
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| 20:40.52 | petemc | /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 20:40.56 | craigevil | !tell angs about debian releases |
| 20:40.58 | xylon2 | ah, OK |
| 20:40.59 | hyisck | if it has a script in /etc/init.d , just do sh /etc/init.d/scriptname restart |
| 20:41.25 | xylon2 | nice |
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| 20:45.05 | vleon | Hi guys, i come from arch linux world, but i have this old macbook g4 i want to liberate, so i tough that debian will fit it best, the thing i like my packages to be up to date even if unstable. |
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| 20:46.00 | craigevil | vleon, take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 20:46.09 | vleon | but archlinux is actually quite a stable os. so what im trying to ask is should i install sid or the lates debian stable release? |
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| 20:48.15 | vleon | craigevil: thanks for the linke, but i already know about it :) |
| 20:48.18 | craigevil | vleon, if you want shiny new go with unstable, install debian stable Base+Standard, change sources.list to unstable apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:48.45 | vleon | craigevil: thanks! thats a great advice |
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| 20:53.11 | pseudo | hi #debian - this is my first time using debian, I am implementing a webserver and I am having the strangest error - when i boot up the computer and start apache, everything works fine - then after letting the computer stay on for about 30 minutes - it stops serving websites completely. Oddly enough if I run tcpdump on the debian box it then 'wakes up' the webserver and it starts serving pages again. Could someone help me figure out what on earth is going on? |
| 20:53.18 | pseudo | I am running on a KVM hypervisor btw |
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| 20:58.13 | Klunge | hi |
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| 20:59.10 | Klunge | could someone tell me what regualr expression i can use to find out the public ip from bash please? |
| 20:59.34 | roboman2444 | hm, anyone have any info on comreset failed error 16? |
| 20:59.42 | mmnicolas | pseudo: I had this issue with while hosting redmine once, It was mainly caused by passenger-mod |
| 20:59.58 | pseudo | ([0-9]\.){0,3}([0-9]{0,3}) |
| 21:00.31 | pseudo | is passenger-mod loaded by default? |
| 21:00.57 | mmnicolas | I do not think so, unless you are hosting some ruby on rails web applications |
| 21:01.24 | pseudo | hmm i just have a static html page atm |
| 21:01.33 | pseudo | i am seeing some strange python logs in my apache error log though |
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| 21:05.07 | KeepSake | How can I avoid the "press CTRL+D for maintanance mode" up on reboot? My server has no keyboard attached and thus cannot boot |
| 21:05.29 | hyisck | don't boot on single-user mode |
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| 21:05.49 | KeepSake | It's not booted into single user mode |
| 21:05.49 | flash_ | KeepSake, it normally goes to that automatically if something is broken enough to stop it continuing a normal boot |
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| 21:09.20 | KeepSake | I guess I'll dig up my keyboard and see what the maintenance is for. |
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| 21:18.39 | KeepSake | Ah ok, turns out one of the HDD isn't working. Or at least it starts up too slow. |
| 21:19.25 | tinkster | debian squeeze, rt4 from backports; when I install and enable the package it breaks other sites I'm running on apache2 because of the perl handler ... what do I need to change in rt4 to avoid the breakage? |
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| 21:28.09 | pseudo | think i found the problem - conflicting ethernet drivers |
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| 21:33.13 | roboman2444 | hm... |
| 21:33.18 | roboman2444 | gah |
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| 21:34.06 | cdown | Is it a known bug that aptitude --download-only safe-upgrade does not terminate after finish, instead just sitting around taking up 100% CPU? |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | for how long? |
| 21:34.34 | cdown | I have been waiting two hours. |
| 21:34.42 | cdown | It didn't even upgrade anything. |
| 21:34.46 | cdown | Or download anything, rather. |
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| 21:35.09 | cdown | I can reproduce it too, terminating it, and then running it again results in the same situation. |
| 21:35.10 | abrotman | did you try it without the --download-only ? |
| 21:35.14 | cdown | Yes, it works fine then. |
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| 21:36.22 | cdown | ''strace'' seems to show it going into a loop |
| 21:36.32 | cdown | It starts looking at the package cache over any over |
| 21:36.36 | cdown | s/any/and/ |
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| 21:39.03 | cdown | Yeah. It stat64()'s everything in /var/lib/apt/lists, then /var/lib/dpkg/status, and then reads from it. And it just does that over and over. |
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| 21:50.43 | anlarye | why does the network manager applet state my wired connection is not managed? |
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| 21:51.03 | abrotman | is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:51.09 | dalias | you probably have it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:51.26 | dalias | in which case it's considered a permanent connection that NM is not allowed to touch |
| 21:51.57 | dalias | NM is for managing transient connections (mostly on laptop/mobile machines hopping around on wifi and an occasional wired line) |
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| 21:52.23 | anlarye | yes auto eth0 is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:52.37 | anlarye | ok thanks for the info |
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| 22:00.18 | david89 | Anyone got a good link/tutorial on setting up a mail server? |
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| 22:04.50 | abrotman | david89: that's pretty vague |
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| 22:06.08 | david89 | abrotman: the question wasn't for you, don't worry |
| 22:06.33 | anlarye | and other question: on booting my laptop i get: starting NFS common utilites: statd failed (everything seems to work though) |
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| 22:25.07 | juaz | hi |
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| 22:25.13 | juaz | XD |
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| 22:28.19 | gez | Hi |
| 22:28.40 | abrotman | david89: okay, well, i guess you can wait for anyone to decide your question isn't too vague to answer .. good luck! |
| 22:29.17 | joeytwiddle | anyone want to play jumpnbump with me? i'll host! |
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| 22:30.08 | mroe | david89: yes I do |
| 22:30.31 | gez | I'm having random hangs in gnome-shell (Wheezy). I tried disabling all the extensions, but it still happens. I can't track down the reason, but it happens when searching apps/files by typing in the activities window |
| 22:30.41 | gez | Any hint? |
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| 22:30.55 | mroe | david89: "Setting up an 'Email Server' has many moving parts. If you don't understand what you are doing, start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail#Operation_overview" |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | hah |
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| 22:50.56 | mrtnt | In case one has a certain file(let's say /dev/kvm), is it possible to check which package installed this file using dpkg? |
| 22:51.02 | barxool_ | Where are .udebs installed ? I mean, when a package is installed, it drops file on a filesystem. What is the filesystem that receives files of .udebs package ? Is is the initrd in the debian installer ? |
| 22:51.25 | barxool_ | mrtnt> dpkg -S /dev/kvm |
| 22:51.36 | valdyn | barxool_: same place as .debs |
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| 22:54.27 | mrtnt | barxool_, in case I receive "/dev/kvm not found."(http://pastebin.com/D91XKJRC) it was probably installed during the system install? |
| 22:54.31 | barxool_ | valdyn> .udebs are installed in the same filesystem as other .deb files ? ie "/" ? |
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| 22:54.59 | valdyn | barxool_: udebs are used for bootstrapping debian |
| 22:55.13 | mrtnt | barxool_, to my surprise "apt-file search /dev/kvm" lists nothing as well. |
| 22:56.18 | barxool_ | mrtnt> It means the file is not dropped by a package. I think that if a package create a file in postinstall, dpkg -S will not show the file as owned by the package. In the case of /dev/kvm, this device must have been created by a process, so dpkg -S cannot find the package owner |
| 22:56.42 | valdyn | barxool_: packages are not allowed to create files in a post-install normally |
| 22:57.03 | barxool_ | valdyn> even symbolic links ? |
| 22:57.11 | valdyn | barxool_: right |
| 22:57.22 | valdyn | mrtnt: that file is generated by udev at runtime |
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| 22:57.55 | mrtnt | valdyn, ok, thanks! |
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| 22:58.23 | barxool_ | valdyn> I don't understand when and where are udebs installed |
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| 22:58.39 | barxool_ | valdyn> they are not installed in the initrd ? |
| 22:58.44 | valdyn | barxool_: they arent "installed", they are used as part of the installer |
| 22:59.01 | valdyn | barxool_: no they are not installed in the initrd |
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| 23:00.29 | barxool_ | valdyn> The installer is a regular process, right ? So how does he use all the .udebs without installing them ? for example, how the installer use partman's udebs ? |
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| 23:04.05 | simonlnu | !udeb |
| 23:04.05 | dpkg | A .udeb is a special binary <package> containing Debian-Installer modules, or "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great Debian genius. These are not intended for installation on a normal system. |
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| 23:06.20 | Viking667 | hey all. |
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| 23:07.08 | Viking667 | quick question. I've got a single command in my .xinitrc, I even duplicated in .xsession, but neither of these files are getting picked up and executed on a user login. What am I missing? |
| 23:07.25 | Viking667 | I'm using gdm3 with Gnome Classic login. |
| 23:07.52 | Viking667 | and yes, I forgot. I'm on wheezy. |
| 23:07.54 | barxool_ | simonlnu> the "system that then installs debian", it is kernel + initrd + debian installer process, right ? |
| 23:07.55 | dalias | "gnome classic login" sounds like the problem |
| 23:08.07 | dalias | you should pick "system default" or whatever it's called |
| 23:08.23 | Viking667 | Well, that doesn't run here. The laptops' not got 3d. |
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| 23:10.04 | simonlnu | barxool_: whatever bits and pieces yes |
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| 23:13.31 | barxool_ | simonlnu> There are .udebs in the pool on a debian CD-ROM. Are they used during installation ? |
| 23:14.13 | barxool_ | simonlnu> I mean "are the udebs on the CD-ROM used by the debian installer" |
| 23:14.15 | simonlnu | they can be |
| 23:14.47 | simonlnu | not all of them will be of course, but it could be they could |
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| 23:14.57 | Viking667 | so. What do I need to do to make sure that a particular process executes on a user login? |
| 23:15.15 | Viking667 | ... because I don't see anything analagous to the "startup programs" here. |
| 23:15.30 | barxool_ | simonlnu> For example if the debian installer wants to use partman to partition the disk, partman is not in the initrd, but the debian installer looks for partman udeb and install it in the ram disk ? |
| 23:16.25 | simonlnu | of course |
| 23:17.32 | Viking667 | I finally answered my own question. Sigh. |
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| 23:19.40 | barxool_ | simonlnu> Ok, so during the installation (grey window over blue background in text mode), the installer is actually looking for the programs it need in the pool on the CD-ROM, and install .udebs in the ram disk before executing the programs ? |
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| 23:20.24 | simonlnu | yes... |
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| 23:25.10 | Viking667 | waves goodbye, now a happier camper. |
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| 23:33.28 | TomyLobo | how do i find packages whose current version contains a certain string? |
| 23:34.23 | abrotman | are they installed? |
| 23:34.48 | TomyLobo | yes, installed packages |
| 23:35.11 | abrotman | TomyLobo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep string |
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| 23:35.22 | TomyLobo | heh |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | i'm sure you can alter that to your needs |
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| 23:35.53 | TomyLobo | no, that's perfect |
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| 23:36.19 | TomyLobo | thanks |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | note the package status in the first column |
| 23:36.29 | TomyLobo | well, nothing found anyway |
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| 23:36.46 | TomyLobo | i was removing some siduction packages that somehow found their way back into my system |
| 23:37.07 | craigevil | easier to use Synaptic and look at origin |
| 23:37.13 | TomyLobo | must've forgotten to update between removing the entry and doing update-everything |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | you dn't need synaptic for that |
| 23:37.37 | abrotman | too bad TomyLobo now has an unsupported system ... |
| 23:38.03 | TomyLobo | you mean i had one |
| 23:39.15 | barxool_ | abrotman> what is the unit of "COLUMNS" ? Surely it's not characters |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:39.25 | peterrooney | TomyLobo: now, means has. /msd dpkg siduction |
| 23:39.31 | TomyLobo | afaict it was just chromium-browser. now that that's gone, it's plain normal wheezy |
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| 23:40.01 | simonlnu | barxool_: yes it is characters |
| 23:40.30 | TomyLobo | peterrooney the first part doesnt parse, the 2nd part i know already |
| 23:41.22 | TomyLobo | or is your opinion that my system is tainted now that i had these packages on it? |
| 23:41.31 | TomyLobo | what do i need? ritual cleaning? |
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| 23:41.40 | craigevil | exorcist |
| 23:41.55 | barxool_ | abrotman,simonlnu> http://paste.debian.net/170356/ |
| 23:42.39 | abrotman | and what? |
| 23:42.40 | simonlnu | TomyLobo: 2 goats, an altar, and some bubble gum |
| 23:42.50 | TomyLobo | what's the bubble gum for? |
| 23:42.58 | peterrooney | ...and a debian install ISO |
| 23:43.05 | barxool_ | abrotman,simonlnu> columns are not 20 characters width, nor 100 in the second example |
| 23:43.06 | xispirito | lol |
| 23:43.07 | simonlnu | glue the goats to the monitor |
| 23:43.16 | abrotman | barxool_: okay |
| 23:43.31 | simonlnu | barxool_: duh |
| 23:43.45 | TomyLobo | peterrooney you seem to really believe it, right? ok, how is my system different now than before i had those ~5 packages? |
| 23:44.09 | TomyLobo | chromium-browser from siduction plus dependencies |
| 23:46.04 | TomyLobo | all of which started with the prefix "chromium-", so all they could conflict with would be chromium. and i reinstalled that from the wheezy packages |
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| 23:47.28 | peterrooney | TomyLobo: as an example, if there's any kind of problem with the removal scripts of those packages, there could be any number of problems and leftover files that we can't even in theory anticipate or know about. Also, /msg dpkg wheezy |
| 23:48.12 | TomyLobo | why would i ask dpkg about wheezy? i know what it is |
| 23:48.16 | peterrooney | notes that it's right there in the channel topic |
| 23:49.21 | TomyLobo | ah, because of #debian-next |
| 23:49.46 | simonlnu | *ding* |
| 23:49.51 | TomyLobo | well, i'm on 4 networks already and the channels fill up about 80% of my display |
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| 23:50.10 | TomyLobo | if about 10 people query me, i have a scroll bar |
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| 23:50.13 | simonlnu | not our fault ;) |
| 23:50.34 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... cant seem to find gparted in the repos ! |
| 23:50.37 | TomyLobo | so i pick the alternative: stay here and not ask any wheezy-specific questions |
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| 23:51.02 | simonlnu | so let's all /q TomyLobo and give him some scrollbars ;p |
| 23:51.02 | xispirito | why don't use freenode for all channels? |
| 23:51.08 | TomyLobo | very funny |
| 23:51.20 | TomyLobo | xispirito minecraft |
| 23:51.36 | cobra-the-joker | sorry ... found it :D |
| 23:51.55 | TomyLobo | freenode, esper for minecraft, gamesurge for gmod and some other for uni stuff |
| 23:52.38 | xispirito | TomyLobo, hehh, i ask about debian channels =D |
| 23:52.50 | TomyLobo | there's no #debian-next here, or is there? |
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| 23:53.05 | TomyLobo | [01:52:57] #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only) |
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| 23:53.47 | cobra-the-joker | TomyLobo, on the debian IRC server .. not here |
| 23:53.57 | TomyLobo | xispirito hmm you were missing a pronoun. i assumed "you" there, since you were talking to me |
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| 23:54.16 | TomyLobo | but maybe you meant "they"? as in "why doesn't the debian team use freenode?" |
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| 23:55.11 | TomyLobo | cobra-the-joker i know... i was showing xispirito |
| 23:55.13 | xispirito | TomyLobo, sorry man, but i don't speak you language perfectly... |
| 23:55.55 | xispirito | if you don't like it, simply don't read =D |
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| 23:56.12 | TomyLobo | not a matter of liking or not liking |
| 23:56.24 | xispirito | funny guy eh |
| 23:56.50 | TomyLobo | i cant just not read your text because i cant understand it. if it's directed at me, i read it. it's a matter of respect |
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| 23:57.20 | xispirito | i do my best =D |
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