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| 00:01.07 | rasusto | hello all. I am trying to install the proper graphics drivers for a samsung laptop. the results of lspci show "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)". Can someone point me in the right direction as to installing/configuring drivers. I install X and it works, but at low resolution |
| 00:02.16 | hyisck | xserver-xorg-video-intel should work |
| 00:02.22 | hyisck | that's hd3000 isn't it? |
| 00:02.41 | TomyLobo | -intel is for the newer intels too? |
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| 00:02.49 | rasusto | that package was automatically installed along with X |
| 00:03.43 | TomyLobo | -vesa *should* work with everything... but maybe intel saved on that |
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| 00:03.53 | TomyLobo | (vesa is unaccelerated though) |
| 00:03.57 | hyisck | intel works here |
| 00:04.02 | rasusto | -intel works but at low resolution |
| 00:04.03 | hyisck | modesetting and all, perfect |
| 00:04.31 | TomyLobo | hmm just to be sure... low resolution isnt like 1024x768? :) |
| 00:05.08 | rasusto | I have no idea it just doesn't look right. How could I tell the current resolution? |
| 00:05.26 | tinkster | xdpyinfo |
| 00:05.36 | TomyLobo | hyisck the package desc of xserver-xorg-video-intel doesnt mention sandy bridge, are you sure it's made for that? |
| 00:05.36 | hyisck | xrandr |
| 00:06.02 | rasusto | screen 0: current 1024 x 768 |
| 00:06.15 | TomyLobo | ahhh |
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| 00:06.27 | rasusto | I had ubuntu install previously and it worked find (I suspect proprietary drivers) |
| 00:06.32 | rasusto | fine* |
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| 00:06.41 | TomyLobo | i read something about intel chips not offering all modes |
| 00:07.10 | hyisck | what's your processor, rasusto? |
| 00:07.27 | abrotman | rasusto: are you running squeeze? |
| 00:07.29 | TomyLobo | but that was i915... the fix is called "915resolution", maybe there's some similar problem and fix for the sandy bridge chip |
| 00:08.05 | rasusto | hyisck: core i5-2467M@1.6ghz abrotman: yes |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | !tell rasusto about bpo |
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| 00:08.27 | abrotman | rasusto: install the -intel driver from there, read the instructions on the site .. good luck! |
| 00:08.36 | rasusto | bpo? |
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| 00:08.41 | rasusto | backport? |
| 00:08.41 | rootant | backports |
| 00:08.53 | TomyLobo | rasusto the dpkg bot sent you a query |
| 00:08.54 | hyisck | that's HD3000... I'm pretty sure xserver-xorg-video-intel should work |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | read what the bot told you |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | hyisck: the one in squeeze will not work |
| 00:09.10 | hyisck | hm, oh... oh right |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | thus he needs backports.debian.org |
| 00:09.16 | hyisck | use wheezy |
| 00:09.21 | abrotman | no |
| 00:09.23 | hyisck | problem solved. |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | you're not helping at all |
| 00:09.53 | rasusto | wheezy would work but I beleive backports in the proper way to do things |
| 00:10.01 | rasusto | that way you don't break everything |
| 00:10.11 | TomyLobo | wheezy = problem solved, 10 new problems crop up :D |
| 00:10.12 | abrotman | rasusto: good plan |
| 00:10.37 | rasusto | it makes sense though, that a newer version would work because that is what ubuntu would use |
| 00:10.38 | xispirito | i using testing...is not all taht pain |
| 00:10.45 | xispirito | #that |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | that's nice for you .. |
| 00:11.51 | rasusto | alright I'm gonna install the backport I'll report back with results |
| 00:11.53 | TomyLobo | mileage varies widely, depending on which part of debian you use and how many other people do the same |
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| 00:12.53 | hyisck | I find the whole idea of backports nauseating |
| 00:13.18 | TomyLobo | there are pills for that :) |
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| 00:13.33 | abrotman | hyisck: then don't do it .. |
| 00:13.38 | dvs | hyisck: better than dealing with problems that come with testing |
| 00:13.46 | abrotman | hyisck: doesn't mean you sohuld mess up someone else's box when there's a much easier solution |
| 00:13.54 | hyisck | It's delightful how sensitive you are about that |
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| 00:14.02 | hyisck | alsmost makes me want to keep teasing you |
| 00:14.27 | abrotman | go for it |
| 00:14.35 | dvs | hyisck: Teasing an op is not a good idea |
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| 00:15.04 | hyisck | seriously... the cycle is so slow and they keep trying to remediate it... it's pathetic... too much work |
| 00:15.15 | rasusto | Hey, I'm the one that decided it would be fun to run STABLE on my laptop |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | then don't use Debian .. you're not forced to |
| 00:15.22 | rasusto | STABLE |
| 00:15.40 | hyisck | it's unbelievable how defensive you are... |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | unbelievable how naive you are |
| 00:15.57 | xispirito | stable is cool, but i like testing on desk |
| 00:15.59 | hyisck | oh, I see... you disagree with me, so I'm naive |
| 00:16.44 | rootant | hyisck: stop trolling pl0x, it's no fun anymore |
| 00:16.50 | hyisck | rootant ? |
| 00:16.57 | rootant | good for emotionally unstable teenagers |
| 00:17.04 | hyisck | you must be joking. |
| 00:17.13 | rootant | well, partially |
| 00:17.19 | hyisck | I'm sure you are. |
| 00:17.30 | rootant | nah, i'm not that funny |
| 00:17.40 | hyisck | Can't you just accept my opinion about backports and let the subject fade? |
| 00:17.42 | abrotman | maybe you two could discuss this in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:17.59 | rootant | i'm not going to continue this topic anymore |
| 00:18.03 | rootant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.09 | hyisck | awesome |
| 00:18.19 | hyisck | glad we worked that out |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | rasusto: how is it going over there? |
| 00:18.59 | hyisck | (not sure how debian backports is off-topic on #debian, but whatever...) |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | it's not, your discussion about your maybe-trolling is |
| 00:19.29 | hyisck | root started that... I was discussing backports |
| 00:19.44 | rootant | not much to discuss |
| 00:20.08 | hyisck | clearly not... we've stablished I'm wrong and naive, and you're the God of Truth. |
| 00:20.13 | hyisck | =D |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | hyisck: take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 00:20.38 | hyisck | tell that to him |
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| 00:20.58 | abrotman | hyisck: please take a timeout, discuss that in #debian-offtopic if you'd like to continue |
| 00:21.16 | xispirito | ok, so, i propose a discuss, why don't use OSS as default? =D |
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| 00:21.48 | abrotman | xispirito: because OSS3 was not a good solution, OSS4 was immature when squeeze was released |
| 00:23.02 | xispirito | abramart, i have used on squeeze, and for me works very well, better than others... |
| 00:23.19 | xispirito | ops, abrotman |
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| 00:23.53 | abrotman | xispirito: YMMV .. i just said, it wasn't super mature when squeeze was released |
| 00:24.15 | xispirito | ah, =D |
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| 00:25.18 | rasusto | backports installed. I got a warning that I need to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.34-rc1 or newer |
| 00:25.20 | nsadmin | there's a guy faberman who codes for the RME hammerfall sound stuff, and he has a driver, it doesn't do oss or alsa (mainly he has something against alsa, said something about how devices are named); I wish I could get him to to say something about why more specifically... his driver is to jack, and he had to also write a mixer |
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| 00:26.40 | abrotman | rasusto: there is a 3.x kernel in backports also |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | rasusto: wait .. you already have a kernel newer than that ? |
| 00:27.23 | nsadmin | abrotman, do you run the backports kernel? |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | i run testing on this laptop |
| 00:28.05 | nsadmin | oh ok, so on that you must have what. 3.2.something? |
| 00:28.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 00:28.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 00:29.00 | rasusto | abrotman: no, that is why I got the warning. It links to libnouveau or the newer kernel. It said it would break everything if I didn't upgrade but X appears to run just as before |
| 00:29.10 | abrotman | rasusto: what is uname -r ? |
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| 00:30.13 | rasusto | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | rasusto: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 00:32.14 | rasusto | my guess is that I will have to reboot the system for the kernel upgrade to take effect |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:33.35 | rasusto | the backport is 3.2.0-0-amd64 |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:33.54 | rasusto | oh, I haven't restarted yet |
| 00:34.05 | rasusto | *crosses fingers* |
| 00:34.08 | rasusto | here I go |
| 00:34.12 | dvs | runs |
| 00:34.16 | rootant | ducks |
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| 00:36.37 | rasusto | ok, getting tons of warnings about missing firmware |
| 00:36.52 | rasusto | I beleive its for the wireless card |
| 00:36.56 | TomyLobo | tgo fridays |
| 00:37.03 | TomyLobo | sundays* |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | rasusto: do you need the wifi right now ? |
| 00:37.33 | rtmex | Hello All, does someone know about a complete hotspot solution set it up with Debian or debian based distros? something like EasyHotSpot http://easyhotspot.inov.asia/ |
| 00:37.34 | rasusto | abrotman: I didn't have it before haha |
| 00:37.51 | rasusto | going down for reboot now |
| 00:37.53 | xispirito | i get these warnings too, for rtlxxx, but for now i don't using them, so... |
| 00:37.59 | nsadmin | rasusto, the warnings should say what device is complaining |
| 00:38.02 | rtmex | The problem with easyhotspot is that the repos is not available anymore |
| 00:38.02 | abrotman | rasusto: we'll fix it later, unless you want it now |
| 00:38.20 | hell_razer | i have 2 python2, one from repo, other from sources, i have tried to install gtkvncviewer, and its triend to use python from sources, not from os, /usr/bin/python is link to python grom repo |
| 00:39.25 | nsadmin | hell_razer, what has you want 2 pythons? |
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| 00:39.34 | abrotman | engrish? |
| 00:39.44 | rasusto | it worked! |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | hell_razer: is it searching your system for python binaries? |
| 00:39.59 | abrotman | rasusto: with the correct resolution ? |
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| 00:40.04 | rasusto | that went better than expected, thanks abrotman you were a big help |
| 00:40.13 | abrotman | rasusto: now .. about your wifi? |
| 00:40.24 | abrotman | rasusto: did you want to resolve that? or don't care? |
| 00:40.34 | rasusto | it requires non-free firmware |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | is that a problem for you ? |
| 00:40.42 | hell_razer | nsadmin: yes i need it |
| 00:40.51 | TomyLobo | s/triend/tried/ s/grom/from/ s/its/it's/ - not really "engrish" |
| 00:41.04 | hell_razer | abrotman: INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?) |
| 00:41.16 | rasusto | I suppose not. It's not going to work well without it |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | may not work at all |
| 00:41.36 | abrotman | rasusto: can you pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn' into paste.debian.net ? |
| 00:42.49 | rootant | abrotman: is there a cli interface app to paste.debian.net? |
| 00:43.00 | TomyLobo | !pastebinit |
| 00:43.01 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | rootant: pastebinit |
| 00:43.14 | nsadmin | hell_razer, hmm. ok, is it that you need your customized versions? (how is it customized?) what's different about the source-built python that you need? |
| 00:43.33 | abrotman | hell_razer: and 'readlink -f /usr/bin/python' points where? |
| 00:43.40 | roboman2444 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106011 holy shit i want |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | roboman2444: they sell Debian ? |
| 00:44.00 | roboman2444 | no |
| 00:44.09 | roboman2444 | its a 4.2 ghz 8 core |
| 00:44.14 | hell_razer | abramart: /usr/bin/python2.6 (repo version) sym link is ok |
| 00:44.16 | nsadmin | new debians for old... |
| 00:44.20 | roboman2444 | with liquid cooler for 300bawks |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | roboman2444: ##hardware or #debian-offtopic please |
| 00:44.37 | roboman2444 | aight |
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| 00:45.26 | nsadmin | hell_razer, is that what readlink /usr/bin/python said? |
| 00:46.12 | hell_razer | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:46.25 | nsadmin | ok, and is it that you need 2.7? |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | rasusto: pasted yet? |
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| 00:46.57 | nsadmin | , versions python |
| 00:46.58 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; sid: 2.7.2-10; wheezy: 2.7.2-10 |
| 00:47.12 | rasusto | working on pastebinit; sounds very handy since I cant copy from xterm |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | you can't ? |
| 00:47.30 | nsadmin | would the wheezy version work for you? if so, you may be able to backport it |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | doubtful .. sounds messy |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | and it would probably expect to be the system default |
| 00:48.42 | hell_razer | nsadmin: i have a lot of easy_installed stuff, i dont want to reinstall it, i need to configure apt for using correct version |
| 00:49.25 | nsadmin | apt should use the 2.6 (i.e., the one it was designed with for squeeze)\ |
| 00:49.38 | abrotman | not if you change the symlink ? |
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| 00:50.04 | hell_razer | i havent change /usr/bin/python |
| 00:50.14 | hell_razer | link is os default |
| 00:50.21 | nsadmin | abrotman, you're thinking "does", I'm thinking "should". please do not edit me |
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| 00:50.53 | abrotman | i didn't edit you |
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| 00:51.18 | nsadmin | hell_razer, ok, so, I'm not seeing the problem yet |
| 00:51.40 | abrotman | hell_razer: okay, can you actually paste the error so he doesn't have to guess? |
| 00:51.58 | blawiz | when doing apt-get dist-upgrade (in testing) it wont install new windowmanager or something like this? |
| 00:52.15 | abrotman | blawiz: please use paste.debian.net, show us what's going on |
| 00:52.21 | nsadmin | hell_razer, also, I still don't have a clear idea what you want |
| 00:52.50 | nsadmin | blawiz, from testing -> newer testing? |
| 00:53.21 | blawiz | nsadmin, just to install packages that been "kept back" when upgrading |
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| 00:53.44 | peterrooney | Pastebinit seems fairly useless... "me@localhost$ pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -a peterrooney -i /etc/inittab " results in "http://paste.debian.net/" |
| 00:54.39 | nsadmin | hell_razer, here's what I understand so far: you have two pythons, the system one which is a 2.6 and one you built, a 2.7... and you're saying what, something wrong with apt-get?aptitude? |
| 00:54.55 | rasusto | ok pasted to http://paste.debian.net/170365 abrotman |
| 00:54.56 | nsadmin | apt-get/aptitude |
| 00:55.00 | hell_razer | nsadmin: 1 sec |
| 00:55.32 | nsadmin | same here... gonna get my trader joe sheppard pie! |
| 00:56.05 | mrtnt | Could somebody name an utility which is available only for SPARC architeckture bot not for x86_64 or i686? |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | peterrooney: try it for another one |
| 00:56.18 | mrtnt | Or for ARM. |
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| 00:56.38 | dvs | ,pciid 8086:0885 |
| 00:56.39 | judd | [8086:0885] is 'Centrino Wireless-N + WiMAX 6150' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0885 |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | rasusto: /msg dpkg non-free .. install the iwlwifi-firmware package |
| 00:56.46 | abrotman | mrtnt: silo |
| 00:57.37 | abrotman | mrtnt: will that suffice? |
| 00:58.35 | mrtnt | abrotman, I can try, but some user-space utility would be better :) |
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| 00:58.54 | abrotman | mrtnt: it's a bootloader! |
| 00:59.02 | mrtnt | abrotman, yes, i know. |
| 00:59.34 | abrotman | mrtnt: you could grab the Packages for SPARC and for i386 .. grep Package, then compare? |
| 00:59.51 | hell_razer | nsadmin: ohhh, gtkvncviewer doesnt work by droping python errors, at installation were some python warnings, and i think that apt install python-gtk-modules to wrong python |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | hell_razer: a paste showing the errors still might be nice |
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| 01:00.53 | hell_razer | nsadmin: but gtkvncviewer just doenst work without gnome envrimomet by ssh |
| 01:01.00 | peterrooney | abrotman: same again if I use a file in my home dir |
| 01:01.11 | hell_razer | nsadmin: in gnome session all is ok |
| 01:01.15 | hell_razer | thnx for help) |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | peterrooney: whowha ? |
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| 01:03.36 | rasusto | abrotman: installed the firmware package, did a reboot for good measure. Do I need to manually load the kernel modules? |
| 01:03.48 | peterrooney | abrotman: namely, "me@localhost$ pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -a peterrooney -i /etc/inittab " results in "http://paste.debian.net/" also - oddly, the trailing slash doesn't exist in the configuration file |
| 01:04.05 | nsadmin | hell_razer, what does echo ". $(which python2.7)" say (with quotes and echo) |
| 01:04.11 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 01:04.38 | mrtnt | abrotman, or are there any user-space utilities for ARM that do not exist for x86_64 or i686? |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | mrtnt: i'd suggest the same method to find out |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | rasusto: should just work |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | peterrooney: oh, i got lost :) |
| 01:05.37 | abrotman | judd: versions pastebinit |
| 01:05.38 | judd | Package: pastebinit on i386 -- lenny: 0.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; sid: 1.3-2; wheezy: 1.3-2 |
| 01:05.42 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 01:05.45 | rasusto | abrotman: ifconfig only shows eth0 and lo |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | rasusto: it would still have to be configured .. but look through 'dmesg' for some errors |
| 01:06.54 | abrotman | rasusto: i wonder if there isn't a driver for it yet .. how new is that? |
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| 01:06.57 | rasusto | ah yes, it shows up in dmesg |
| 01:07.13 | abrotman | with an error about missing firmware? |
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| 01:07.31 | hell_razer | nsadmin: http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2384/ but warning at installatio isnt ok |
| 01:08.52 | mrtnt | abrotman, should the Packages file be somewhere here: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 01:08.58 | rasusto | abrotman: it detects it, recognizes it, "valid tx ant: 0X1, valid Rx ant: 0X3", and lists the tunable channels |
| 01:09.01 | nsadmin | thanks for the completeness :) so, the python you built is python 2.7, and it was installed into /usr/local |
| 01:09.11 | abrotman | mrtnt: sure .. |
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| 01:09.34 | abrotman | mrtnt: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-armel/ .. for example |
| 01:09.35 | nsadmin | hell_razer, if you look at your $PATH, does it show /usr/local/bin before or after /usr/bin? |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | rasusto: i have no idea if that's a working adapter or not .. |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | rasusto: did it give it an interface name ? |
| 01:10.59 | hell_razer | nsadmin: local is first, /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games ( |
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| 01:11.08 | hell_razer | nsadmin: and apt uses it... |
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| 01:11.54 | rasusto | http://paste.debian.net/170367 |
| 01:11.55 | nsadmin | hell_razer, does there exist /usr/local/bin/python? |
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| 01:12.48 | hell_razer | nsadmin: of course no, just python2.7 |
| 01:13.16 | nsadmin | are you sure? could you check to make sure? |
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| 01:13.55 | DragonDon | Greetings all. I am having a bit of trouble setting up a VPN. I followed the instructions here https://ipredator.se/guide/pptp/debian but when I ran their test of "pon ipredator debug dump logfd 2 nodetach" as sudo, I get http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bfbc729f/ for results. 1723 and 47 are port-forwarded to my system. |
| 01:13.58 | abrotman | rasusto: uhm, i think you have wifi now? :) |
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| 01:14.45 | rasusto | abrotman herp derp forgot to ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 01:14.57 | hell_razer | nsadmin: http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2385/ |
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| 01:15.18 | hell_razer | nsadmin: is it good idea to chane /etc/profile for path? |
| 01:15.19 | aguitel | i try to install propietaries drivers for this card:VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RL/VR AGP ,how i do ? |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | rasusto: right |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | aguitel: there are nonoe |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | none |
| 01:16.14 | rasusto | abrotman, you were awesome. thanks alot for helping me |
| 01:16.24 | aguitel | abrotman, fglrx not working? |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | aguitel: why would it? |
| 01:16.43 | abrotman | rasusto: glad to help! hopefully you enjoy it |
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| 01:16.57 | aguitel | abrotman, coz is for ati card |
| 01:17.05 | abrotman | !rage 128 |
| 01:17.05 | dpkg | Rage 128 is a 3D graphics accelerator chipset family introduced by ATI in 1998, supported by the r128 xorg driver (xserver-xorg-video-r128 package). http://manpages.debian.net/man/4/r128 http://wiki.x.org/wiki/r128 |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | aguitel: okay, go for it .. |
| 01:17.35 | TomyLobo | fgl sounds like fire gl... that's even more ancient than the rage 128 i believe |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | TomyLobo: not quite |
| 01:18.38 | roboman2444 | i think firegl was the ones before quadro, but i am not sure |
| 01:18.39 | TomyLobo | oh, wait, they made new cards with that brand name |
| 01:18.53 | TomyLobo | quadro? err isnt that nvidia? |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:19.00 | roboman2444 | oof |
| 01:19.08 | roboman2444 | i mean, ati workstation cards |
| 01:19.21 | roboman2444 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124018 |
| 01:19.40 | Mackenzie | Anyone here like cyber punk culture? http://cyberpunkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=558 |
| 01:19.46 | TomyLobo | i was thinking of the old firegl cards. 1995 according to wiki |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | Mackenzie: try #debian-offtopic, thanks |
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| 01:20.22 | nsadmin | hmm. so if apt* is using /usr/local/bin/python2.7, supposedly it shouldn't matter what your execution path is... but, let's try changing it and see... |
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| 01:21.14 | nsadmin | could you run echo ". $PATH" |
| 01:21.46 | nsadmin | that should be one line, so you could just put it in irc |
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| 01:23.14 | hell_razer | nsadmin: http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2386/ |
| 01:23.29 | hell_razer | oh sory |
| 01:23.34 | hell_razer | . /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 01:24.05 | nsadmin | yeah, one line should be ok here whether it's a paste or not |
| 01:25.40 | nsadmin | ok, in the shell you want to use apt in, do this: export PATH=/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | is there another "python" symlink on the box ? |
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| 01:26.42 | nsadmin | no, which is why I'm wondering if apt* is looking in the first bin dir with python* in it |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | did he "find / -name "python"" yet? |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | probably -type f too |
| 01:27.21 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 01:27.53 | nsadmin | he doesn't need to quote python |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | he may, depends what else is in the directory when he runs it |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | also, no harm in doing that |
| 01:29.13 | nsadmin | that would have effect if there are wildcards and/or shell-special chars which there aren't.... having said that, quoting the arg of grep or find is a good-practice habit |
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| 01:30.13 | blackshirt | Hello |
| 01:30.23 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 01:30.32 | dvs | ahhh! a blackshirt! |
| 01:30.37 | dvs | run! |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | he's been here before .. |
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| 01:31.35 | blackshirt | Where we could look at debian kfreebsd development progress,wiki, or something similar? |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | !tell blackshirt about kfreebsd |
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| 01:32.54 | blackshirt | Thanks abrotman |
| 01:33.11 | nsadmin | anyway abrotman, I'll have him do that next... |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | next? that should happen before he alters his path |
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| 01:33.44 | abrotman | or maybe try a strace to see what it's actually doing |
| 01:33.49 | iluminator101 | how do you delete unknown encyrpted partition in debian, gparted wont do anything |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | oh, or we could just start messing with paths .. yay |
| 01:34.20 | nsadmin | abrotman, so if things happen in the default way, the path change should have no effect... that's what you and I are expecting... |
| 01:34.23 | blackshirt | When the next version of debian plan to release? |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: that's not what i'm expecting .. i wouldn't have told him to do tha t.. you're on your own |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | blackshirt: WIR, SIYH |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | !tell blackshirt about wwwr |
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| 01:36.01 | iluminator101 | i dont know why i cant delete the partition it seems to be minix or something |
| 01:36.16 | nsadmin | blackshirt, there's no way to tell without an announcement |
| 01:36.41 | nsadmin | iluminator101, so there's no message when you try? |
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| 01:37.44 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, nothing....gparted saying its unknown partiton its missing i see warning sign next to it, and a key sign |
| 01:37.58 | nsadmin | blackshirt, usually an announcement to that effect would appear on the front debian page www.debian.org |
| 01:38.20 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, not warning but hazard sign |
| 01:38.30 | blackshirt | Okey, very informative, nsadmin, thanks |
| 01:39.03 | nsadmin | blackshirt, other than that, there's a long-standing policy to not announce release dates |
| 01:39.04 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, no its warning a sign |
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| 01:39.24 | iluminator101 | i just wanna format this cf card thats all |
| 01:39.38 | iluminator101 | delete everything format it fat12 |
| 01:39.44 | nsadmin | the whole thing? |
| 01:39.47 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 01:39.57 | nsadmin | and it has this minix thing on it? |
| 01:40.13 | iluminator101 | nsadmin, two minix partition one fat12 one unallocated |
| 01:40.32 | dalias | fat12?! |
| 01:40.36 | dalias | is this a floppy disk? |
| 01:40.37 | iluminator101 | fat16 i meant* |
| 01:40.42 | dalias | oh |
| 01:40.44 | iluminator101 | cf card |
| 01:40.54 | dalias | last time i saw fat12 was 15 years ago |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | doubts a CF card came with a minix file system |
| 01:41.32 | dalias | abrotman, they might have misappropriated the partition type number for some other use... |
| 01:41.41 | nsadmin | one thing you can try (this is destructive, so make an informed decision) is use dd to write a sector's worth of /dev/zero to the stick |
| 01:41.51 | iluminator101 | abrotman, i dont know what it is, it is unknow in gparted |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | can't you just use fdisk ? |
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| 01:42.42 | nsadmin | this will kill off any existing partition table. if it's not letting you do that, maybe the partition is busy somehow |
| 01:43.13 | iluminator101 | 83 linux |
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| 01:46.24 | nsadmin | hell_razer, heya. still there? |
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| 01:46.57 | hell_razer | nsadmin: yap, mb lost some msg |
| 01:47.35 | hell_razer | nsadmin: will try with export path, as you said 1 sek |
| 01:47.59 | rasusto | hello again. Does anyone know a program that can compute WPA2 passkeys from the passphrase? |
| 01:48.10 | dvs | why? |
| 01:48.27 | blackshirt | Why debian not supported selinux comprehensively? |
| 01:49.29 | nsadmin | hell_razer, I wanted to have you try that because the problem space has been narrowed; it's a bit far-fetched, but if there is success, it could mean apt* is doing non-standard things to find its tools |
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| 01:50.14 | hell_razer | nsadmin: with your path same warning |
| 01:50.16 | hell_razer | INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?) |
| 01:50.23 | hell_razer | during installation |
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| 01:51.00 | nsadmin | hell_razer, ok, now we'll put the path back, just one sec |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | .... |
| 01:52.37 | nsadmin | hell_razer, export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 01:53.20 | nsadmin | that restores your path to what you had before |
| 01:53.35 | nsadmin | what are you trying to install? |
| 01:53.39 | hell_razer | nsadmin: already found it in /etc/profile thnx |
| 01:54.03 | hell_razer | nsadmin: gtkvncviewer |
| 01:54.46 | nsadmin | ok, does this exist: /var/cache/apt/archives/gtkvncviewer* |
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| 01:58.39 | hell_razer | nsadmin: yes /var/cache/apt/archives/gtkvncviewer_0.4-2.2_all.deb |
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| 01:58.58 | nsadmin | great, exactly what I was looking for |
| 01:59.06 | nsadmin | , versions gtkvncviewer |
| 01:59.08 | judd | Package: gtkvncviewer on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.2-1; sid: 0.4-2.2; squeeze: 0.4-2.2; wheezy: 0.4-2.2 |
| 01:59.25 | nsadmin | so you're installing the sid version |
| 02:00.02 | nsadmin | oh, squeeze is the same too |
| 02:00.11 | lapsusbrutus | http://pastebin.com/FSxcC5KN Is my harddrive full of errors? My debian "nas" pauses for a while every time this happens.. And it happens when I write to disk, if unlucky |
| 02:00.22 | nsadmin | abrotman, are those three different packages? |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | they're all the same version |
| 02:01.02 | hell_razer | nsadmin: hmmm, how that can be, but i have same python warnings a long time ago, directly doesnt remember on what package |
| 02:01.04 | nsadmin | yes, I see that... |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: backup the data, now |
| 02:01.22 | lapsusbrutus | abrotman: Oh crap. ok |
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| 02:01.49 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: once that's done, you can try to re-seat cables/cards .. but it looks like sdb is dying |
| 02:01.51 | lapsusbrutus | its on raid5, but still need a backup I guess :) |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | HW or SW raid ? |
| 02:02.03 | lapsusbrutus | sw |
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| 02:02.51 | nsadmin | abrotman, so we see that the same version is in squeeze, wheezy, sid... would they be all the same .deb? |
| 02:03.08 | lapsusbrutus | i installed mdadm, smartmontools, I hope I just need some software to fix it, but I guess not.. sdb is the only disk that gives errors, |
| 02:03.20 | TomyLobo | linked vs other libs possibly, nsadmin |
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| 02:03.29 | TomyLobo | but i dont know |
| 02:03.41 | PavementApe | Tired of nhigggers? |
| 02:03.46 | PavementApe | Sick of their monkeyshines? |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: seems that way |
| 02:03.48 | PavementApe | We are too! |
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| 02:03.58 | TomyLobo | applauds |
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| 02:04.12 | nsadmin | TomyLobo, that's what I'm thinking too... we know sid uses py3.7 |
| 02:04.19 | nsadmin | 2.7 |
| 02:04.28 | TomyLobo | nsadmin might be that debian has a policy there that prescribes a new version number in that case though. as i said, i don't know :) |
| 02:04.28 | abrotman | still no find or strace ? |
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| 02:05.32 | nsadmin | still no... ok, let's see |
| 02:05.58 | lapsusbrutus | abrotman: what would you do with these messages on raid5? backup and replace disk? |
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| 02:06.16 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: backup, yes .. then see if you can determine more about what's actually going on |
| 02:06.41 | TomyLobo | nsadmin to be sure, look up the sid, wheezy and squeeze packages on packages.debian.org and compare the dependencies |
| 02:07.11 | TomyLobo | (and to be 100% sure, download the .debs and compare them :P) |
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| 02:07.25 | TomyLobo | (if 99% sure is enough, compare hashes) |
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| 02:08.02 | nsadmin | TomyLobo, that's what I was thinking before... I would have thought that in order to implement such a policy, apt* would have to go further than the PATH thing to get that python... but two things suggest that's not happening, first, there is not python that was built from source |
| 02:08.21 | nsadmin | second, changing the path had no effect |
| 02:08.25 | TomyLobo | what kind of policy? |
| 02:08.29 | dtfuvhvc | hmmm anyone know when debian 6.0.5 live is coming out? |
| 02:08.48 | nsadmin | a policy that prefers py-2.7 |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | dtfuvhvc: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:09.10 | nsadmin | which wouldn't (or shouldn't) be the case under squeeze |
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| 02:09.31 | TomyLobo | are you sure it's not the makefile doing that? |
| 02:09.37 | dtfuvhvc | k :D |
| 02:09.58 | TomyLobo | did you reinstall the python package and see if it reverted to 2.6? |
| 02:10.08 | nsadmin | hell_razer, run this... find / -type f -name "python" |
| 02:10.29 | craigevil | were defoma and x-ttcidfont-conf replaced by other packages or are they just not needed? |
| 02:10.34 | nsadmin | and pastebin (unless the output turns out to be one line) |
| 02:10.42 | nsadmin | which I think it will |
| 02:11.03 | nsadmin | now, I'm wondering if it's linking to the wrong libpython |
| 02:11.12 | lapsusbrutus | abrotman: thanks, ill do that |
| 02:11.49 | hell_razer | nsadmin: http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2387/ |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | he may also want to run another find with -l |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | or use an or |
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| 02:13.14 | nsadmin | hell_razer, run it again, into the pastebin, take off the -type f |
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| 02:14.15 | hell_razer | nsadmin: http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2388/ |
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| 02:18.26 | nsadmin | hell_razer, ok, run this: find / -name "libpython*" into another pastebin |
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| 02:19.47 | hell_razer | nsadmin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/998368/ |
| 02:19.55 | nsadmin | great, thanks |
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| 02:21.25 | nsadmin | wow... that rules out the possibility it's linking to the wrong libpython |
| 02:21.28 | Flaim | howdy folks |
| 02:21.44 | nsadmin | Flaim, hi, welcome to debian support |
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| 02:22.23 | Flaim | i've got a machine that doesn't boot.. "Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel S", then nothin. |
| 02:23.58 | nsadmin | you must have squeeze and it's using insserv, and I don't know enough about it to comment with present info... some questions tho, did it ever boot with the present software installed |
| 02:24.01 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 02:24.35 | Flaim | i have run an upgrade since the last boot |
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| 02:25.03 | nsadmin | Flaim, so presumably the upgrade killed it? |
| 02:25.04 | lapsusbrutus | abrotman: Im a little drukn, and have had bad luck with rsync --delete before, but this will practically wipe out the whole disk mounted on /mnt and rpelace it with whats on ext3storage, right? "rsync -avP --delete /ext3storage /mnt/" |
| 02:25.11 | Flaim | that's my guess. |
| 02:25.20 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: wait what? why would you delete anything ? |
| 02:25.31 | lapsusbrutus | its just an old backup |
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| 02:26.07 | nsadmin | hell_razer, do you have nopaste installed? |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: do a new backup .. you don't want to later the old backup |
| 02:26.14 | Flaim | it's a VM and i have a snapshot from 29 JAN and daily backups.. so resroting it isn't an issue. but i'd prefer to fix it. |
| 02:26.55 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: s/later/alter/ |
| 02:27.20 | Flaim | resolves to run snapshots before package upgrades. |
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| 02:27.57 | nsadmin | Flaim, this was an upgrade from what to what? |
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| 02:28.04 | hell_razer | nsadmin: just installed |
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| 02:28.27 | nsadmin | oh good :) |
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| 02:28.51 | hstefan | Hey, for some reason my internet connection on a VM running debian became so slow, even though the host is normal. Example of slow: ping -c 3 www.google.com took 16k ms. Can anybody help me on tracking the source of this issue? |
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| 02:29.16 | Flaim | nsadmin: just std. package upgrades. |
| 02:29.20 | lapsusbrutus | abrotman: I would if I had the space :\ |
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| 02:29.39 | nsadmin | hell_razer, so now, what command line did you write to do this install that you originally wanted? |
| 02:29.39 | hell_razer | hstefan: : virtualbox? |
| 02:29.55 | hstefan | hell_razer: yes, bridged mode |
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| 02:30.04 | hell_razer | nsadmin: by hands and browser) |
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| 02:30.52 | hell_razer | hstefan: try to chane adapter to PCnet-PCI II |
| 02:30.58 | nsadmin | hell_razer, I don't understand yet |
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| 02:31.44 | hell_razer | nsadmin: m? no command, just copypaste to browser... |
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| 02:33.45 | hstefan | hell_razer: ok, I'll try that. |
| 02:36.39 | hstefan | hell_razer: same thing. |
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| 02:38.40 | lapsusbrutus | hstefan: ping your gateway (route -n or netstat -r if in doubt) Probably almost just as bad.. you got a big network? loops? |
| 02:39.02 | lapsusbrutus | hstefan: could be bad hw too |
| 02:39.29 | lapsusbrutus | or bad network, noice etc |
| 02:40.34 | hstefan | "ping -c 3 192.168.0.1" took 2k ms, it's kinda slow, isn't it? |
| 02:40.48 | hstefan | also, another vm is ok. |
| 02:41.15 | hstefan | So I don't think that's one bad hardware problem |
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| 02:43.48 | owen1 | how to persist my dns server that i entered in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 02:45.07 | craigevil | owen1, if you are using dhcp edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and on the prepend line put the nameservers you want used |
| 02:45.43 | craigevil | i use opendns with dnscrypt so mine has, prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1,208.67.220.220,208.67.222.222; |
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| 02:47.28 | owen1 | craigevil: i see there: #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 02:48.02 | craigevil | right edit it and put the servers you want to use |
| 02:48.06 | owen1 | can i uncomment it and replace it with the dns? |
| 02:48.11 | owen1 | ok |
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| 02:48.29 | owen1 | what about /etc/resolv.conf? put the dns entry there as well? |
| 02:48.42 | dalias | resolv.conf is auto-generated from this |
| 02:48.48 | owen1 | dalias: thanks! |
| 02:48.50 | dalias | anything you write in resolv.conf will be overwritten |
| 02:48.54 | craigevil | resolv.conf gets overwritten if you are using dhcp, wicd will also overwrite it |
| 02:50.00 | lapsusbrutus | hstefan: so locally its good? but when pinging outside stuff, then its slow? |
| 02:50.08 | owen1 | ok. i changed it in /etc/dhcp/dhclient. what if i go to different network with my laptop. let's say to the office. it will always use 8.8.8.8 (my dns) |
| 02:50.10 | owen1 | ? |
| 02:50.20 | lapsusbrutus | ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:50.20 | craigevil | yep |
| 02:50.46 | owen1 | craigevil: will i still be able to view website with this dns ip? |
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| 02:50.49 | owen1 | websites |
| 02:51.00 | craigevil | the only time it wont is if you use a mobile wireless service |
| 02:51.03 | craigevil | sure |
| 02:51.46 | lapsusbrutus | hstefan: 0.151 ms is my ping to gw, but 60ms to google.com |
| 02:52.27 | owen1 | i am confused. why do i have to punch in the ip of the dns server? it started when i switched from t-warner to at&t. can someone explain how is that related to dns? |
| 02:52.34 | hstefan | Wait, what. I "fixed" the bug. I just removed one adapter and add another one and DADA. |
| 02:53.00 | lapsusbrutus | hstefan: :) |
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| 02:58.07 | MachinaeWolf | Anything I should backup before compiling a newer libdrm? |
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| 03:07.35 | rainfyre | ugh |
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| 03:18.10 | bonks | how can I locally test if I set up pptpd correctly? my client says it cant connect |
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| 03:24.09 | deadmund | Why is the scratch project not a debian package in the repos? http://scratch.mit.edu/ |
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| 03:33.26 | craigevil | deadmund, squeak-plugins-scratch |
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| 03:33.52 | deadmund | craigevil: what repo is that in? I'm using lenny (stable) |
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| 03:34.07 | deadmund | that package is not auto-completing |
| 03:34.21 | craigevil | im on sid, check packages.debian.org, and upgrade to squeeze lenny isnt supported |
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| 03:35.17 | deadmund | craigevil: I'm on 6.0 Is that not stable? Is that not lenny? |
| 03:35.41 | craigevil | stable is squeeze |
| 03:35.44 | bwulf | 6 is stable |
| 03:36.08 | deadmund | So scratch is not in stable? Why? |
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| 03:36.26 | deadmund | scratch has been around for long enough hasn't it? |
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| 03:38.40 | craigevil | prob no one interested in maintaining it |
| 03:40.35 | deadmund | craigevil: What do you mean? It's an active project maintained (actively developed) by people at MIT |
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| 03:41.43 | craigevil | and a debian dev has to build and maintain a .deb package for it to be in the Debian repos |
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| 03:42.42 | deadmund | craigevil: nobody does this huh. Can I fill this need? |
| 03:43.32 | craigevil | deadmund, /msg dpkg nm |
| 03:43.38 | peterrooney | deadmund: only you can say. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 03:47.44 | deadmund | Thanks |
| 03:48.34 | craigevil | only you can prevent forest fires :) |
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| 03:54.18 | Guest31637 | How do I know what drivers do I need? |
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| 03:56.41 | ElDiabolo | Guest31637, Why do you need to know that? Maybe you don't |
| 03:57.21 | Guest31637 | Uh I don't have sound and my wireless doesn't work |
| 03:57.40 | ElDiabolo | Oops, sorry, boarding now. I', |
| 03:57.46 | ElDiabolo | m gone. |
| 03:57.49 | ElDiabolo | bye |
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| 04:03.53 | deadmund | Guest31637: You google the name of your card as reported in the output of sudo lspci -k |
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| 04:06.24 | Guest31637 | user@debian:~$ lspci -k bash: /usr/bin/lspci: Input/output error |
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| 04:06.39 | deadmund | Guest31637: as root |
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| 04:07.07 | Guest31637 | It doesn't do nothing |
| 04:07.22 | deadmund | Guest31637: I assure you it does if you run it as root |
| 04:07.26 | cads | hey, I have crazy idea. It's possible to take a DD image of a debian installation and turn it into a virtual disk image, and then execute it in a VM |
| 04:07.32 | Guest31637 | user@debian:~$ sudo lspci -k |
| 04:07.50 | cads | what would it take to help debian tolerate this turn of events without panicking? |
| 04:07.50 | deadmund | Guest31637: This is debian, I don't believe sudo is installed by default |
| 04:08.00 | deadmund | cads: I think it would simply work |
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| 04:08.37 | mafiaboy | hi guys....why my nm-applet says wireless networks disconnected |
| 04:08.39 | Guest31637 | How do you install sudo? |
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| 04:08.59 | dalias | don't |
| 04:09.07 | deadmund | Guest31637: just use su for this task, but http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 04:09.31 | cads | deadmund, haha, I'll try it out :D |
| 04:09.37 | mafiaboy | http://pastebin.com/xaTQvhVC |
| 04:09.50 | deadmund | cads: good luke |
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| 04:13.44 | SirDerigo | Hi!!!! |
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| 04:14.28 | SirDerigo | i have this little personal project, i want to create a TV channel trough internet using a html5 streamer and a playlist manager... ¿does something like this exist on Debian? |
| 04:14.37 | SirDerigo | a html5 video streaming software? |
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| 04:18.47 | nsadmin | SirDerigo, howbout a youtube channel? |
| 04:19.22 | SirDerigo | nsadmin: i do have a youtube channel |
| 04:19.36 | nsadmin | kinda expected that :) |
| 04:20.40 | SirDerigo | nsadmin: i am doing some experimentation with a 32" LCD Screen, a 12 MBPS ADSL connection and another PC, in my parents house that have inside it fullmetal alchemist brotherhood |
| 04:21.11 | SirDerigo | i want "Daniel´s channel" |
| 04:22.09 | Guest31637 | I don't have a password |
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| 04:22.34 | Guest31637 | It's asking me for password. But I don't have one. |
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| 04:22.53 | nsadmin | something is asking you for a password? |
| 04:23.02 | Guest31637 | su lspci |
| 04:23.09 | Boltsky | when I run aptitude show linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 it shows, say, kernel 2.6.32-45 |
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| 04:23.21 | Boltsky | however uname -r doesn't include the -45 |
| 04:23.44 | Boltsky | is there any way to tell the -45 part of a running machine, so I know whether it's been rebooted to use the new kernel? |
| 04:24.19 | nsadmin | su lspci says: there should exist a user called lspci. switch to that user, and not as a login session |
| 04:24.33 | Guest31637 | ohhh |
| 04:25.20 | nsadmin | what would you like to do or see? |
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| 04:25.39 | Guest31637 | run lspci -k |
| 04:26.08 | mafiaboy | can u guys help me in getting my wireless working |
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| 04:26.32 | mafiaboy | i got bcm4312 card |
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| 04:27.39 | nsadmin | mafiaboy, maybe. oh ok, what have you done so far? |
| 04:28.22 | LtL | mafiaboy: you probably need the b43-fwcutter package. |
| 04:28.38 | mafiaboy | as said on debian site ...i did aptitude install firmware-b43legacy-installer |
| 04:29.00 | nsadmin | ok, what happened when you did that? |
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| 04:29.13 | Love | Infinite Unconditional Love |
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| 04:29.36 | mafiaboy | http://pastebin.com/BZK8i4Yj |
| 04:30.27 | nsadmin | ok, so one thing that shows, is you have a wlan0 |
| 04:30.47 | nsadmin | if you do iwlist scan, does that give results (the output will be fairly long if so) |
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| 05:06.56 | hell_razer | i have created chroot with debootstrap, how to execut some command in chroot by user speciefed in chroot from real os |
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| 05:12.07 | nsadmin | make sure the nondisk mounts are all established then chroot /path/to/chroot command |
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| 05:15.08 | hyper_ch | howdy, how can I find out what is taxing my cpu? htop/top doesn't show anything heavy going on |
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| 05:17.34 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: what makes you think your CPU is taxed? |
| 05:17.47 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: load shows ~2.0 |
| 05:18.04 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: and nothing is running except me being logged in by ssh running htop in tmux |
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| 05:20.06 | peterrooney | 9i) how many CPUS? (ii) what are your 5/15 load averages? |
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| 05:20.26 | peterrooney | s/9i)/(i)/ |
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| 05:22.24 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: it's one arm cpu |
| 05:22.47 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: and its all around 2 |
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| 05:27.28 | peterrooney | I'd check for zombie processes, and (using top) that I had not accidentally made my .toprc sort by PPID. it could be simply you have a million things going on; ps -ef f | most |
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| 05:28.37 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: I think I found the problem |
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| 05:29.46 | hyper_ch | it was the attached usb isdn modem... weird... it's attached itself to a powered usb hub |
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| 05:31.50 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: what was it doing in there |
| 05:32.12 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: it's a raspberry pi which I intend to use a FreeSWITCH box with 4 ISDN channels |
| 05:32.48 | hyper_ch | but why would attaching a usb modem spike the cpu usage? |
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| 05:33.25 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: that's what I feel rather befuddled by |
| 05:33.44 | hyper_ch | I attachedi t now again but load remains at 0.05 |
| 05:34.00 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: load isn't necessarily CPU useage |
| 05:34.17 | hyper_ch | well, I had problems accessing the raspi... everything was sluggish |
| 05:34.21 | hyper_ch | so what is the load then? |
| 05:35.18 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: the number of processes that are either waiting to run or in some uninterruptable state (usually sleep) |
| 05:35.40 | hyper_ch | and processes that run require cpu cycles |
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| 05:36.24 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: processes in sleep don't |
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| 05:38.29 | hyper_ch | hmmm.... I think I found the culprit |
| 05:38.31 | mah454 | I need mirror for this link : http://dlc.sun.com.edgesuite.net/virtualbox/4.1.14/VirtualBox-4.1.14-77440-Linux_amd64.run |
| 05:38.45 | hyper_ch | ma |
| 05:38.47 | hyper_ch | mah454: why? |
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| 05:39.08 | hyper_ch | mah454: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 05:39.20 | mah454 | ACCESS DENIED ! |
| 05:39.26 | mah454 | I live in IRAN |
| 05:39.42 | hyper_ch | no proxy? |
| 05:39.51 | mah454 | no ! |
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| 05:40.16 | hyper_ch | mah454: squeeze? |
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| 05:41.27 | mah454 | testing |
| 05:41.30 | mah454 | wheezy |
| 05:42.00 | civillian | mah454: try adding this to your sources.list |
| 05:42.04 | civillian | mah454: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free |
| 05:42.15 | civillian | I use that on wheezy |
| 05:42.27 | hyper_ch | mah454: http://www.sjau.ch/vb.deb |
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| 05:43.30 | mah454 | hydra_, sorry I use amd_64 |
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| 05:44.31 | mah454 | hydra_, this package is for amd_64 ? |
| 05:44.31 | ablock | hello. i used "dpkg --add-architecture i386" some time ago and installed libuuid1:i386. now i want to remove all i386 packages that were installed, how can i do this? |
| 05:45.38 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: and the culprit was ... |
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| 05:46.13 | Mohsen_Hassani | The delete key on my Laptop does not work with gdm3. How can I fix it? |
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| 05:59.40 | hyper_ch | peterrooney: I was wrong... I really thought at first it was FreeTDM support in freeswitch... but still, modem is attached now now load average is to 0.04 |
| 06:00.07 | hyper_ch | mah454: yes, it's the 64bit version |
| 06:00.16 | hyper_ch | mah454: you still need it or can I delete it? |
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| 06:42.57 | fasta | I get a black screen (no signal) when I turn on my monitor. Where do I find some reason for that? dmesg didn't seem to say anything. |
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| 06:43.16 | jelly-home | hell_razer: the same way, just use umount on the destination mount point |
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| 06:43.49 | fasta | I am thinking of something like 'driver foo crashed, potentially you now lost your video signal, run modprobe bar to reinitialize the display |
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| 06:46.31 | nsadmin | fasta, try hitting a key |
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| 06:48.12 | fasta | nsadmin: I did that and I moved the mouse. |
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| 06:48.59 | nsadmin | nothing in logs? you said nothing in dmesg? |
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| 06:50.34 | fasta | nsadmin: nothing in /var/log/messages and nothing in dmesg |
| 06:51.13 | nsadmin | ok, let's go back... when did it last work (produce image) |
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| 06:53.25 | tralala | fasta, hook a serial console |
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| 06:57.39 | fasta | tralala: I can ssh into it. I don even have a serial console. |
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| 06:58.14 | tralala | so it hasn't crashed? |
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| 06:58.50 | fasta | nsadmin: the display has crashed. |
| 06:59.02 | fasta | nsadmin: the system is still alive. |
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| 07:01.17 | tralala | fasta, try chvt |
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| 07:03.53 | fasta | tralala: no error either. |
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| 07:03.55 | darkex | hi - is there a way to stop a service (oidentd in particular) from starting up on boot until i manually set it back? |
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| 07:09.34 | fasta | tralala: intel one is disabled. |
| 07:10.19 | fasta | tralala: would it be possible to switch between the two now (intel on chip and discrete amd one)? |
| 07:11.13 | tralala | I don't know. Do you have a screen session started inside X |
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| 07:11.46 | fasta | tralala: yes |
| 07:12.09 | tralala | attach to it and try chvt and xrandr from there |
| 07:12.21 | fasta | tralala: ? I did that. |
| 07:12.28 | fasta | tralala: I just told you. |
| 07:12.46 | tralala | from the screen session? |
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| 07:13.39 | fasta | tralala: ok, let's go back a bit. How is screen relevant? |
| 07:13.54 | pyrokamileon | can someone please help me with Testdisk? |
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| 07:15.50 | tralala | fasta, I had similar problems with my laptop at one point and chvt would only work if called from "inside" X. It wouldn't do anything when called from a tty. |
| 07:16.06 | fasta | tralala: I had the same 3 days ago. |
| 07:16.22 | fasta | tralala: Xorg uses 100% CPU. |
| 07:16.42 | fasta | tralala: so, likely driver bug. |
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| 07:17.18 | fasta | tralala: I see no reason for why this wouldn't happen for other people. |
| 07:17.35 | tralala | oh, I see. That's different then. My case was that X wasn't responding but it was possible to get it back by chvt. |
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| 07:18.00 | fasta | tralala: I cannot even kill Xorg in this state.\ |
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| 07:18.14 | tralala | not even with sigkill? |
| 07:18.19 | fasta | tralala: right |
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| 07:18.33 | tralala | which kernel? |
| 07:18.42 | fasta | tralala: it taught me that current PC architecture cannot even implement Unix. |
| 07:18.53 | fasta | tralala: squeeze-backports, latest. |
| 07:19.08 | fasta | tralala: 64 bit kernel |
| 07:19.16 | pyrokamileon | I'm trying to help out a friend at work, her 1gb flashdrive's partition just stopped being recognized I need help recovering it |
| 07:19.19 | tralala | have you had the same problem with other kernels too? |
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| 07:20.10 | fasta | tralala: no, but I already talked to some guys from #gdb (we went fairly deep last time), and it's basically a driver issue. |
| 07:20.23 | fasta | tralala: I currently use the closed source driver. |
| 07:21.02 | fasta | tralala: the open driver is not an option, because it runs the fan at full speed. |
| 07:21.26 | fasta | I want to work at a computer, not a power station. |
| 07:22.25 | tralala | fasta, I'd say you have much better chances to have the open driver fixed than to get the vendor to fix their driver |
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| 07:23.50 | fasta | tralala: I'd say the chances are about equal. |
| 07:24.16 | tralala | ok |
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| 07:31.49 | fasta | tralala: kill -9 <pid Xorg> gets me a fully locked machine. |
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| 07:45.30 | Blackshirt | Is grsecurity not supported on debian? |
| 07:47.15 | Woet | Blackshirt: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grsecurity |
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| 07:51.17 | jelly-home | Woet: that doesn't really answer the question. |
| 07:51.30 | Woet | jelly-home: if there is a package, I can assume it's supported. |
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| 07:51.43 | jelly-home | Woet: you'd be wrong in this case. |
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| 07:51.52 | Woet | there are packages but they won't work? |
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| 07:52.26 | jelly-home | Woet: grsecurity is a kernel patchset + a set of tools. The tools are available; the kernel is not. |
| 07:53.10 | Woet | not sure why the package is called "linux-patch-grsecurity2" if it's just the tools then |
| 07:53.28 | jelly-home | that package is horribly outdated, and pretty much useless |
| 07:54.08 | pjc_ | morning |
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| 07:54.55 | jelly-home | Woet: it's often better to keep quiet than to send a user on a wild goose chase with a generic answer |
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| 08:05.30 | VanDerSpar | Greetings |
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| 08:06.15 | VanDerSpar | Do any of you know if it's possible to make cron-apt mail at all times, except for when there's no updates? |
| 08:06.41 | VanDerSpar | Currently, I'm getting mails every day, telling me that everything is up to date |
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| 08:06.52 | ksk | VanDerSpar: apticron |
| 08:07.00 | VanDerSpar | apticron? |
| 08:07.05 | ksk | google? |
| 08:07.14 | ksk | !tell VanDerSpar about apticron |
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| 08:08.28 | codekK | anyone here use ejabberd ? |
| 08:08.32 | codekK | need some help please |
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| 08:09.14 | CQ | hello, shoud dnet-common be installed (using testing) by default? is it needed for anything if not using decnet?? I just did a dist-upgrade and now its asking to configure it... |
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| 08:10.05 | ksk | CQ: aptitude why $package |
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| 08:10.09 | tralala | codekK, state your problem and see if anyone knows. |
| 08:10.11 | c0rnel | hello all |
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| 08:10.39 | c0rnel | how can i verify the integrity of installed debs? (like rpm -Va) |
| 08:10.53 | ksk | c0rnel: apt/aptitude handels that itself |
| 08:11.15 | codekK | I have configured ejabberd with LDAP auth, i need now change defaults name, now are like "user@domain.com" and i want to set by default the givenName from LDAP |
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| 08:11.30 | ksk | if a deb is installed you cannot check the single files that came from it afaik |
| 08:11.51 | c0rnel | ksk, is there a way to reinstall a package? |
| 08:12.05 | tralala | ksk, check what? the checksums? |
| 08:12.44 | CQ | ksk: libroar2 needs libdnet recommends dnet-common ... why is a recommends installed then though?? |
| 08:12.56 | ksk | arr guys |
| 08:12.59 | ksk | read them manpages :) |
| 08:13.07 | ksk | CQ: try --without-recommends |
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| 08:14.42 | CQ | http://paste.debian.net/170400/ same result |
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| 08:16.36 | c0rnel | ksk, the story is like this. a friend came to ma and said there are problems at boot. first thing i checked if there are updates. there were. i launched the upgrade process, only to find that there's no space left on device. i fixed the free space issue, but the updates no longer show in the updates list and there are some things that do not work . i was wondering if using dpkg/apt-*/aptitude i can: 1) verify which installed package is broken, and 2) if |
| 08:16.36 | c0rnel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.34 | ksk | c0rnel: so get off and disturb #ubuntu :P |
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| 08:21.02 | ksk | aptitude upgrade will handle broken packages, and it should recognize it autmagicly |
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| 08:34.07 | tralala | c0rnel, dpkg --configure -a |
| 08:34.22 | tralala | then apt-get install -f |
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| 08:52.46 | GinTonicool | hello ,everybody |
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| 08:54.49 | GinTonicool | i cannt browse website like youtube \facebook\twitter and so on with iceweasel in debian , does someone help me ? |
| 08:55.11 | cedr | Could you be more descriptive of your issues? |
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| 08:55.18 | GinTonicool | maybe i need any proxy software ? |
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| 08:56.26 | GinTonicool | i cannt browse website like youtube \facebook\twitter and so on with iceweasel in debian , does someone help me ? thanks a lot ! |
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| 08:57.31 | thomaschaaf | Hi guys, is there a way to tell xrandr to rescan the resolutions? |
| 08:58.47 | cedr | GinTonicool: By 'be more descriptive' I didn't mean 'ask the same question over again with thanks appended' |
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| 08:58.53 | streuner | GinTonicool: do you have flash plugin installed? |
| 08:59.01 | GinTonicool | yes |
| 08:59.13 | GinTonicool | i installed flash plugin already |
| 08:59.20 | c0rnel | tralala, thank you very much |
| 08:59.23 | cedr | GinTonicool: Are you seeing any error messages? What 'doesn't happen', so to speak? |
| 08:59.34 | GinTonicool | no |
| 08:59.50 | tralala | c0rnel, sure |
| 08:59.53 | streuner | GinTonicool: gnash or nonfree stuff? |
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| 09:00.37 | GinTonicool | i think it my ISP,it controlling us ,so we cannt browse foreign website ,how can i do ? |
| 09:00.37 | cedr | GinTonicool: I just can't work with you it seems. :) Good luck in your efforts. |
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| 09:01.38 | GinTonicool | thank you all the same |
| 09:01.53 | tralala | GinTonicool, try tor |
| 09:02.27 | GinTonicool | what you mean ? |
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| 09:02.52 | tralala | I mean 'apt-cache show tor' |
| 09:02.54 | GinTonicool | try tor ? |
| 09:03.33 | GinTonicool | you mean that i should install pachage :tor |
| 09:03.40 | ompaul | tor is great as long as his first connection is behind the thing he wants to stop monitoring him, and the fun part of that is the idea that the bad guys watch you enter the tunnel |
| 09:03.47 | tralala | tor is a piece of software for avoiding espionage and censorship |
| 09:03.49 | GinTonicool | dude ,i'm poor in english , |
| 09:04.17 | themill | !zh |
| 09:04.18 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 09:04.54 | tralala | GinTonicool, you should learn what it is, then install it and use it |
| 09:05.04 | GinTonicool | ok |
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| 09:05.45 | GinTonicool | it show me that :tor are abailable |
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| 09:06.21 | tralala | it shows you more than that - it shows you a description what it is |
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| 09:06.57 | GinTonicool | so ,i should install the package ,tor ? |
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| 09:07.52 | tralala | if it is the ISP that censors you then yes. If you have an unrelated network problem, then tor won't do you any good. |
| 09:08.12 | tralala | are you able to open any web pages at all? |
| 09:08.34 | GinTonicool | yes |
| 09:09.19 | GinTonicool | i can open some foreign website ,just some website |
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| 09:10.22 | tralala | then go ahead and setup tor |
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| 09:10.44 | GinTonicool | i'm sure it is the ISP,i mean the local internet provider ,so i cannt open some website |
| 09:11.23 | GinTonicool | tralala ,thank you very much ,i'll try ; thank you guys |
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| 09:13.29 | GinTonicool | i'v installed pachage tor ,how can i setup it ? |
| 09:14.20 | jelly | the great firewall of china has had decent success in detecting and disconnecting tor sessions |
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| 09:15.39 | GinTonicool | what ??????????? tor cannt work in CHINA ,fuckit CHINA |
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| 09:16.20 | tralala | GinTonicool, read /usr/share/doc/tor |
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| 09:17.15 | GinTonicool | tralala ,are you sure that TOR can work in CHINA ? |
| 09:17.32 | tralala | no |
| 09:17.40 | Blackshirt | What is tor? |
| 09:17.48 | tralala | !tor |
| 09:17.48 | dpkg | The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. Squeeze's 0.2.1.x version will soon reach end-of-life, ask me about <security> for 0.2.2.x packages. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:19.36 | GinTonicool | O MY GOD !how can i browse YOUTUEBE AND FACEBOOK IN CHINA on the hell |
| 09:20.23 | themill | GinTonicool: the people in #debian-zh are much more likely to know this than we are. |
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| 09:20.59 | GinTonicool | themill ,maybe you are right ,thank you ! |
| 09:21.27 | GinTonicool | I'll be back ,bye guys ,thanks |
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| 09:22.35 | GinTonicool | o ,no ,nobody in "#debian-ZH" |
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| 09:25.08 | Blackshirt | What is definetely mac (mandatory access control system) ? |
| 09:26.13 | thomaschaaf | how do I see past updates? (with aptitude) |
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| 09:26.38 | ksk | thomaschaaf: take a look at dpkgs logfile |
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| 09:31.37 | thomaschaaf | ksk: thanks I am asking because for some reason xrandr is not detecting my screens resolultion but after looking at it there seems to be no update to the driver or kernel :/ now I am woundering why that would happen |
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| 09:54.20 | Bac0n | i starting to get "failed to fetch bzip2: /var/lib/apt/listspartial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-en: Hash Sum mismatch" ..... started on dk but im getting this on se too |
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| 09:55.11 | korkman | Bac0n: i get these too, recently. they're usually temporary. |
| 09:55.25 | Bac0n | ok thanx :)= |
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| 09:58.55 | Aha2Y | Hi, what can debhelper do? |
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| 10:01.36 | themill | !man 7 debhelper |
| 10:01.36 | dpkg | man 7 debhelper is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=debhelper&sektion=7 , where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 10:02.06 | cristian | Hi guys, I'm using Debian 5.0 and compiled php 5.4 (latest stable) from source. Everything seems to be fine, but I get the following message when I run "php -i": php: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt14error_categoryD2Ev, version GLIBCXX_3.4.15 |
| 10:02.11 | cristian | Any hint where I should start? |
| 10:02.27 | themill | I'd start with "/msg dpkg pal me" |
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| 10:02.39 | cristian | PHP runs fine, though I do not think this should be there. |
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| 10:02.52 | themill | cristian: you really should be upgrading to squeeze. There's no excuses at this stage. |
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| 10:03.51 | cristian | Unfortunately this is a production server. Got my hands tied up... idiot customer who wants latest stuff on his Debian. There was no reason for php update, he just wanted the latest version. |
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| 10:18.34 | Harzilein | hi |
| 10:19.12 | Harzilein | how can i parametrize a package build? is there a way i can have, say, a buildhost disable build-time-tests to resolve a circular dependency? |
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| 10:19.46 | themill | !nocheck |
| 10:19.47 | dpkg | When building packages, you might be able to use "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck dpkg-buildpackage" to suppress running of automated tests at build time. Note that running tests is generally a good thing to make sure your build went OK. Not all packages have a <debian/rules> that supports this option; see <policy> §4.9.1 for details and consider filing a wishlist bug if the package doesn't do so and the tests take a while to run. |
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| 10:20.32 | Harzilein | themill: is that integrated with the buildserver infrastructure? that would be awesome. |
| 10:20.45 | Harzilein | themill: thanks btw :) |
| 10:20.52 | cek | Hi. What's the rpmdev-bumpspec analogue in debian |
| 10:21.26 | Harzilein | never heard of that... care to describe it? |
| 10:21.49 | themill | Harzilein: I don't know of any automated tool that sets that option for you. Bootstrapping is normally something that requires sufficient manual intervention... |
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| 10:22.52 | Harzilein | themill: ah, okay. so in the context of official debian packages this is solved with an uploaded with testing disabled, upload of the dependency, then upload of the original package with testing enabled? |
| 10:22.57 | derpabyte | whew #ubuntu is REALLY loud |
| 10:23.08 | Harzilein | upload* |
| 10:23.10 | derpabyte | lol ubuntu |
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| 10:23.53 | themill | Harzilein: developers/porters can build by hand on their own machine and then upload the binary for that architecture. |
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| 10:26.54 | derpadroid | yay |
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| 10:30.44 | nevyn | themill: I wish we discarded those packages. |
| 10:31.12 | cek | shouldve discarded half of debian |
| 10:31.51 | themill | nevyn: that is actually planned, but for bootstrapping, it is actually necessary |
| 10:32.01 | nevyn | themill: really? |
| 10:32.05 | nevyn | that's awesome |
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| 10:32.27 | themill | (and the "how do you build the arch:all packages?" problem is unsolved) |
| 10:32.36 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 10:33.28 | nevyn | themill: because unless the maintainer is very diciplined and uses sbuild or similar the maintainers architecture is the least reliable package. |
| 10:33.34 | pfote | somewhat OT: offering a admin job in Frankfurt Main,Germany (company Ypsilon.NET AG, http://ypsilon.net), task is a heterogeneous net with about 200 debian servers and some freebsd PF firewalls, comprehensive knowledge in network issues (iptables, openvpn, etc), system monitoring and debian system administration expected. one should speak either english or german. please /query me if you have questions or if you're interested |
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| 10:44.20 | linuxfreaker | I have Debian 6.0.2 running on Dell R720 having Broadcom BCM5720. Its unable to assign IP to it..Any idea why its not working? |
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| 10:45.55 | cek | the thing that bumps the version number for a package |
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| 10:46.03 | cek | how is it invoked? |
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| 10:46.30 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, did it work before on the same installation and same hardware |
| 10:46.37 | nsadmin | hold that thought |
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| 10:47.11 | cek | dch |
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| 10:47.38 | cek | so frustrating this build system is. hope it gets replaced or debian is dead. |
| 10:48.13 | themill | cek: I'd say it's the opposite -- debian build system is really easy and the rpm spec nonsense needs to be replaced... |
| 10:48.35 | themill | cek: uupdate can update the packaging automatically; dch if you need to edit the changelog manually |
| 10:48.38 | cek | say that to distro worldwide usage chart |
| 10:48.55 | themill | popularity with users != ease of development |
| 10:49.14 | cek | i like how it's broadly documented, but that's the only upside of it |
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| 10:49.24 | cek | rpm system was built on blood |
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| 10:49.43 | cek | blood of devs who tried to build massive system used by thousands of customers |
| 10:50.03 | cek | same with gentoo. they have 1 build file - ebuild that stores all the build configs |
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| 10:50.19 | themill | one enormous file is not an avantage. |
| 10:50.23 | cek | same with eclipse |
| 10:50.40 | cek | same with VS, though it's more gui driven |
| 10:50.49 | xLinkz0 | i've found a libgeoip library but can't find any documentation for it, anybody know where i can find it? |
| 10:50.57 | cek | lets see in 10 years |
| 10:51.25 | tralala | cek, integration vs specialisation isn't a settled topic by any means |
| 10:52.09 | cek | well yeah, all those systems are pretty much doing their job very well. |
| 10:52.09 | tralala | xLinkz0, /usr/share/doc/libgeoip or a related -doc package |
| 10:52.15 | cek | otherwise they would get replaced |
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| 10:52.22 | cek | wondering what ubuntu will do in 5 years |
| 10:52.25 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: No..its detecting but not been assigned with IP |
| 10:52.34 | DasEi | xLinkz0: apt-cache show libgeoip1 |
| 10:52.35 | ompaul | cek: you can ask them in #ubuntu |
| 10:52.45 | tralala | cek, I wouldn't touch eclipse with a long stick to name one |
| 10:52.56 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: It detects it but I am unable to assign IP |
| 10:53.01 | cek | netbeans?:) |
| 10:53.25 | ompaul | cek: and this is a debian question, not comment, but question how? |
| 10:53.30 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: I can see that other distros like freebsd, ubuntu does fail to detect these new driver |
| 10:53.31 | xLinkz0 | DasEi: thanks |
| 10:53.44 | themill | cek: likewise the debian build system... it's doing its job exceedingly well and no-one is planning to replace it. (and most of your other examples about "one file" are not correct and anything that can't be done within the gui then can't be done at all or you end up scripting things separately and then you're down to reinventing a new buildsystem) |
| 10:53.49 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Can you help me find the hardware support for BCM5720 driver |
| 10:53.56 | cek | there's Ant that thrives in Java world and it's one file based, too. though xml in nature and can do what xml can do. |
| 10:53.56 | derpathon | loz. |
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| 10:54.57 | cek | themill, I like the consolidation. I like how LVM did it. |
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| 10:55.26 | nsadmin | cek, welcome to debian support. do you have a support question? |
| 10:55.34 | ChrisH | linuxfreaker: can you pastebin dmesg, ifconfig -a, lshw -short ? |
| 10:55.35 | g3orge | I really like that ubuntu suggests packages when the command is not found. Why isn't this a thing on Debian? |
| 10:55.36 | cek | they used to have all those tiny tools - pvs, lvs, vgs, pvcreate , lvremove , etc. But their "consolidation point" is lvm util: lvm pvs, lvm lvcreate etc |
| 10:56.01 | cek | so they came up with 1 utility: /usr/sbin/lvm, that does all the job. |
| 10:56.02 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, you may need the nonfree firmware, and a driver |
| 10:56.10 | cedr | is lvm like openvz? |
| 10:56.15 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Where from? |
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| 10:56.19 | ompaul | cedr: no |
| 10:56.22 | cedr | oh |
| 10:56.36 | cedr | looks in to lvm |
| 10:56.43 | cek | speaking of openvz, it's a good technology. |
| 10:56.50 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 10:56.57 | cedr | oh, oops |
| 10:57.04 | nsadmin | it's a way to make storage units like partitions without having to repartition |
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| 10:58.59 | cedr | nsadmin: ah right; not sure what i was thinking |
| 10:59.52 | nsadmin | cedr, it's more than just that, it does have a pile of features... but that's the jist |
| 11:00.07 | cedr | nods |
| 11:00.17 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, could you look at the output of lspci -nn |
| 11:00.44 | nsadmin | which will be a collection of text lines (so, like a text file) |
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| 11:02.09 | nsadmin | find the one line in that, which describes your device |
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| 11:02.15 | nsadmin | show that line |
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| 11:04.06 | DasEi | linuxfreaker: you will need ndiswarapper to use a win-driver probably, if you determined exact chipset; apt-get install hwinfo pastebinit && hwinfo | grep braodcom|pastebinit , all done as root, might also be handy |
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| 11:04.32 | DasEi | linuxfreaker: that shall return an url, give it here |
| 11:05.07 | DasEi | and uname -a for the kernel |
| 11:05.07 | ChrisH | DasEi: the mentioned Broadcom Interface is LAN not WLAN. Are there LAN NIC out needing ndiswrapper? |
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| 11:05.39 | DasEi | ChrisH: ah, good that wrong, was talking of wireless, linuxfreaker |
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| 11:08.01 | nsadmin | DasEi, looks like he has his attn elsewhere for the moment... when he's back and he shows the lspci -nn line, we can find out more about the chipset |
| 11:08.18 | derpathon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.06 | ChrisH | from http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI it should be 14e4:1658 and tg3 attached Lets wait to get a different view. |
| 11:09.19 | babilen | derpathon: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 11:09.50 | nsadmin | let's see what that one is just in case |
| 11:09.56 | nsadmin | , pciid 14e4:1658 |
| 11:09.57 | judd | [14e4:1658] is 'Unknown device' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1658 |
| 11:10.26 | nsadmin | hmm, that's not so good |
| 11:10.47 | derpathon | yes i do have a #debian related question |
| 11:11.02 | derpathon | why is debian so fucking awesome? |
| 11:11.15 | ompaul | that question is self referential |
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| 11:11.28 | themill | derpathon: because we try to keep #debian's signal:noise greater than 1. |
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| 11:11.44 | derpathon | ahh now i understand. |
| 11:11.55 | derpathon | low key |
| 11:12.06 | nsadmin | ahh, that way there's always less than 50% noise |
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| 11:13.23 | derpathon | :) |
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| 11:14.19 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: What all output u need? |
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| 11:15.03 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, one line from lspci -nn |
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| 11:15.11 | nsadmin | err it is a pci device? |
| 11:15.20 | nsadmin | well if it shows up it is |
| 11:16.15 | DasEi | linuxfreaker: determine exact chipset: apt-get install hwinfo pastebinit && hwinfo | grep broadcom|pastebinit , all done as root, might also be handy, give resulting url here |
| 11:16.46 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Here are few lines(as I might need to move to data centre for this?..I am writing it through avocent) |
| 11:17.33 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600] : Intel Corporation Sandybridge DMI2[8086:3c00] rev 06 |
| 11:17.45 | nsadmin | take a look at the lines first, |
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| 11:18.30 | nsadmin | look for network controller at the start |
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| 11:18.38 | nsadmin | or ethernet controller |
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| 11:19.35 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604] : Intel Corporation Sandybridge II0 PCI Express Root Port 1a [8086:3c02] |
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| 11:20.09 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, wait :) |
| 11:20.09 | jpw | I am using dependancy based boot and I have a bit of apache configuration stored in an NFS drive. When the system books apache dies as if it can not access the NFS drive despite $remote_fs being in the LSB headers. Is there a work around for this / am i doing something wrong? |
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| 11:21.59 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Is that enough? |
| 11:22.24 | derpathon | jpw why would you store apache on an NFS drive to begin with? |
| 11:22.41 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, do you see a line that starts "ethernet controller"? |
| 11:22.45 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Ethernet Controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:165f] |
| 11:23.01 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: just pasted above |
| 11:23.16 | derpathon | apache runs better on non-nfs partitions |
| 11:23.16 | nsadmin | cool, let's see what's in the db for that |
| 11:23.19 | jpw | derpathon: don't ask. My tech director's decision he wont be told otherwise. |
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| 11:23.37 | nsadmin | , pciid [14e4:165f] |
| 11:23.38 | judd | [14e4:165f] is 'NetXtreme BCM5720 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:165f |
| 11:24.14 | derpathon | w/e - make everyone else suffer cause you dont know |
| 11:24.24 | derpathon | your techer :) |
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| 11:25.29 | linuxfreaker | judd: What it means? |
| 11:25.41 | jpw | Do you just come here to troll you're not being very helpful. Regardless of the situation there is a problem here that $remote_fs is not being honoured. |
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| 11:26.07 | tralala | jpw, trace the boot process and see if nfs is mounted when apache is started |
| 11:26.18 | nsadmin | there is a driver in the unstable debian |
| 11:27.57 | lost1_ | i installed openldap in debian squeeze and created some users but I am having problems getting phpldapadmin to work |
| 11:28.20 | lost1_ | phpldapadmin says This base entry does not exist.Create it? |
| 11:30.47 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 11:30.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 11:30.53 | jpw | tralala: I have a log of the boot process. I see "Mounting local filesystems...done." but nothing for remote only "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" |
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| 11:31.51 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, what does uname -r say? |
| 11:32.22 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: I downloaded from broadcom and it worked..but all the nics are not coming up through dhclient |
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| 11:32.58 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Only one NIC is coming up rest |
| 11:32.59 | joar | I can't find nginx in wheezy repos |
| 11:33.00 | nsadmin | how many nics are there? |
| 11:33.12 | joar | is this expected or is something wrong? |
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| 11:33.52 | tralala | jpw, do you have the filesystem in fstab? |
| 11:33.56 | nkuttler | , versions nginx |
| 11:33.57 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.17-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.19-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.19-1; sid: 1.2.0-1 |
| 11:34.11 | sevenfourk | Hello you guys! Can't recall how to enable two flows download in aptitude, I heard or seen somewhere it is possible... |
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| 11:34.30 | nkuttler | joar: your mirror could be.. something |
| 11:34.48 | joar | nkuttler: ftp.sunet.se? |
| 11:35.01 | joar | nkuttler: https://gist.github.com/52016c7382b29d3fca3a |
| 11:35.03 | nkuttler | joar: how would i know? |
| 11:35.32 | joar | nkuttler: ignore it, check the output, if it'd make you any wiser. |
| 11:35.50 | nkuttler | joar: no. i assume you did an apt-get update? try a different mirror if yes |
| 11:35.51 | rdz | hi all. i'm having troubles finding information about the most recent kernel upgrade. is there an advisory page or similar? |
| 11:36.02 | joar | I have quite a few APT sources on my machine, and some of them won't fetch correctly, may that interfere? |
| 11:36.11 | nkuttler | joar: absolutely |
| 11:36.13 | joar | nkuttler: Yes, minutes ago. |
| 11:36.20 | jpw | tralala: I do however I have just notices a problem on the line itself. Let me try something. |
| 11:36.22 | nsadmin | rdz, first, /msg judd kernels |
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| 11:36.34 | aguitel | how install video drivers in ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RL/VR AGP ? |
| 11:36.35 | nsadmin | rdz, then, what information were you looking for? |
| 11:36.47 | lost1_ | nevermind i had to edit /etc/phpldapadmin/config.php |
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| 11:37.09 | lost1_ | and replace dn=example,dn=com with the correct domain information |
| 11:37.13 | themill | sevenfourk: any mirror should be able to saturate your local connection so parallel downloading doesn't really offer any advantages |
| 11:37.19 | SmokeyD | hey everyone. I have an encrypted drive mounted, from /dev/mapper/device-name. How can I see which file/device is the actual source behind that mapper? |
| 11:37.28 | rdz | nsadmin, we're runing stable and i would like to know how urgent it is for us to upgrade the kernel |
| 11:37.52 | sevenfourk | themill: thanks for clearing this up. |
| 11:37.54 | nsadmin | rdz, oh, you mean like for security issues? |
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| 11:38.01 | rdz | nsadmin, yeah.. exactly |
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| 11:38.38 | nsadmin | usually the front page of www.debian.org, the news section, will have the dsas on it, unless they moved it |
| 11:38.39 | rdz | nsadmin, i seem not able to find any information in the security advisory |
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| 11:39.11 | nsadmin | perhaps they don't post complete information for security reasons |
| 11:39.16 | rdz | nsadmin, i'm confused.. the most recent upgrade is from may 10 ? |
| 11:39.28 | rdz | nsadmin, i see |
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| 11:39.53 | nsadmin | may 10, maybe that's when 6.0.5 came out |
| 11:39.59 | themill | rdz: there was also a kernel upgrade as part of the 6.0.5 release. There were some minor security things addressed in that but they don't have a DSA |
| 11:40.15 | rdz | themill, why not? |
| 11:40.24 | rdz | themill, this is probably what i am looking for |
| 11:40.53 | themill | rdz: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog |
| 11:41.00 | rdz | themill, do you think it is safe to run 6.0.5 without the most recent update for the next week? |
| 11:41.20 | nsadmin | rdz, now -other- than security issues, then the decision criteria would conservatively be, "is everything working" |
| 11:41.22 | themill | have you already installed this kernel? |
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| 11:41.44 | joar | nkuttler: Removed a bunch of launchpad junk that failed to validate, now it works! |
| 11:41.55 | gele | hello, i have a question about btrfs and incremental backups. |
| 11:41.58 | dizzylizzy | this may sound like a weird question but concerning the debian mailing lists |
| 11:42.10 | joar | nkuttler: Thank you! |
| 11:42.13 | dizzylizzy | is it weird to gpg-sign your messages even if nobody you know uses your gpg key |
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| 11:42.57 | themill | dizzylizzy: not really -- it definitively associates a set of messages with a key (and hence an email address). |
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| 11:43.09 | rdz | themill, we ave linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 Version: 2.6.32-44 installed |
| 11:43.17 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, (so the question already on the floor to you, is how many nics do you have... other than that,) is there a line in lspci -nn that describes each of your nics? |
| 11:43.22 | cek | I used to read all package maint manual 1 year ago, but i'm reading it now and it differs... How do I apply a patch to source package while in build? |
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| 11:43.38 | gele | being a snapshotting filesystem, it seems like this could be used to do really fast incremental backups. but when i read about it i can't find any actual tools that use that - everyone just seems to use normal diff tools to compare older snapshots to newer ones and store the differences, instead of actually looking at the filesystem metadata and seeing which files have changed directly, saving a lot of disk reads. |
| 11:43.39 | dizzylizzy | I don't know internetiquette! |
| 11:43.42 | dizzylizzy | aaaagghhh |
| 11:44.03 | Harzilein | cek: does quilt not cover your use case? |
| 11:44.17 | gele | dizzylizzy: also, if you give your key to someone later they can see that you did write those messages. |
| 11:44.27 | joar | dizzylizzy: it's a *meh*. PGP sigs won't be too much in the way, although your friends might wonder what the heck it is. |
| 11:44.38 | dizzylizzy | Good point |
| 11:44.45 | cek | Harzilein, i have a package that i patched and built 1 year ago, i can cd to it now. |
| 11:44.45 | dizzylizzy | It's a good habit, in other words |
| 11:44.54 | cek | have no bash_history, sadly |
| 11:44.55 | rdz | nsadmin, at this point i am _only_ concerned about security.. we do not have any technical problems with the current kernel |
| 11:44.55 | dizzylizzy | joar, but they might ask about it, and I could get them to use it! |
| 11:45.14 | cek | Harzilein, have no quilt command |
| 11:45.46 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, if so... can you show the pciids? the things that look like [1234:abcd] |
| 11:45.49 | rdz | nsadmin, themill: i don't understand how someone is supposed to tell if an upgrade makes sense or is even urgent, when there is no ds |
| 11:45.53 | rdz | *dsa |
| 11:45.57 | nsadmin | rdz, good enough :) |
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| 11:46.34 | Innocentus | hi |
| 11:47.11 | joar | dizzylizzy: yes, so, profit! |
| 11:47.22 | nsadmin | -perhaps- you could assume with no DSA, the issue is not even important enough to warrant a DSA... or not even related to security |
| 11:48.03 | rdz | can someone confirm this? |
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| 11:48.18 | nsadmin | defers to themill |
| 11:49.00 | nsadmin | or you can try to contact the security team... or get on the LKML |
| 11:49.01 | mafiaboy | hi guys can u help me install video card of intel in debian |
| 11:49.04 | cek | Is DSA better than RSA, with same key lenght? |
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| 11:49.13 | mafiaboy | plz my pc is damn slow |
| 11:49.18 | bolt | I have a problem where x11vnc will output "collect_xdamage: too many xdamage events 1000+695342" and then stop updating the client until i kill x11vnc and restart it. new clients can not connect when this happens. what can I do about it? i tried simply using -noxdamage, but that takes way too much cpu. |
| 11:50.03 | nsadmin | mafiaboy, could you post the line that matches: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 11:50.07 | mafiaboy | mobile intel GMA 4500 HD |
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| 11:51.27 | nsadmin | mafiaboy, I can at least get you close... and, hold that thought; brb |
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| 11:52.00 | mafiaboy | nsaadmin wait i m in x ...i come in graphics and will come back |
| 11:52.30 | DarkStar1 | Hello all I am trying to disable ip6 on my remote server but everytime I try the systctl -p command I get the following message: error: "Operation not permitted" setting key "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6" |
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| 11:53.25 | Alam_Squeeze | DarkStar1: did you do it as root? |
| 11:53.36 | nsadmin | oh you were in the console before? |
| 11:54.03 | uwjweq | How can I give www or www-data read and write access to a directory? |
| 11:54.43 | bolt | uwjweq: if you have to ask that, you probably shouldn't allow your webserver to write anywhere |
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| 11:54.55 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: Yeah |
| 11:54.58 | Alam_Squeeze | DarkStar1, try this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
| 11:55.17 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Sorry couldnt check your chat |
| 11:55.18 | mafiaboy | nsadmin :http://paste.ubuntu.com/998883/ |
| 11:55.20 | nsadmin | with trad unix permission semantics, you would use chowh (which is root only) to change who owns the dir, or chgrp to change what group owns it |
| 11:55.33 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: I have 4 nics |
| 11:55.36 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: ? |
| 11:55.38 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: Ok thx |
| 11:55.59 | Alam_Squeeze | DarkStar1: why do you want to disable IPv6? |
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| 11:56.12 | DasEi | uwjweq: chown -R www /here/your dir as root, or chmod +wr |
| 11:56.14 | uwjweq | bolt: You musst be very knowledgable to be saying such a thing. I am deeply impressed by you. |
| 11:56.18 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, look in lspci -nn for four lines that start Ethernet Controller |
| 11:56.24 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: My PCIID is 14e4165f |
| 11:56.25 | uwjweq | DasEi: Thank you very much. |
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| 11:56.40 | nsadmin | on all of them? |
| 11:56.52 | nsadmin | , pciid 14e4165f |
| 11:57.02 | mafiaboy | nsadmin : can u help me on that |
| 11:57.03 | nsadmin | , pciid 14e4:165f |
| 11:57.04 | judd | [14e4:165f] is 'NetXtreme BCM5720 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:165f |
| 11:57.14 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: because tomcat on my virtual server is bound to ip6 protocol |
| 11:57.15 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: yes.. |
| 11:57.30 | cek | dquilt -f import -p2 ~/1703.patch |
| 11:57.35 | cek | doesn't strip 2nd level |
| 11:57.38 | bolt | uwjweq: i don't claim to know everything, but i know allowing webservers to write to the drive without being sure how to configure permissions on the file system is a very bad idea |
| 11:57.43 | DarkStar1 | and despite trying everything in the connector, it is still bound to an ipv interface |
| 11:57.44 | Alam_Squeeze | DarkStar1: bind to ::? |
| 11:57.52 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: yes same to all of them |
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| 11:59.04 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: YEs.. even though I specified my external host ip address. netstat sytill shows the port as waiting to recieve an ipv6 address |
| 11:59.06 | klys | ~nerk |
| 11:59.06 | apt | nerk! |
| 11:59.11 | nsadmin | hmm. ok, maybe you have to modprobe it 4 times? or, check the docs on the driver; also, maybe someone in here knows more. maybe there is a parameter for it (modinfo <drivername>) |
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| 12:00.00 | Alam_Squeeze | DarkStar1: java? |
| 12:00.06 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: yeah |
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| 12:00.14 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, but once we get to the place where there are 4 identical nics, I don't have immediate knoeledge of how to get them all going |
| 12:00.19 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: http://serverfault.com/questions/390840/how-does-one-get-tomcat-to-bind-to-ipv4-address/390845#comment405014_390845 |
| 12:00.33 | Alam_Squeeze | pass "-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv4Addresses" ? |
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| 12:02.02 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: I wonder if thats bug |
| 12:02.20 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: I don't know where to store that argument. it was suggeted that I do it in the setenv.sh but I can't find that file on the system |
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| 12:03.02 | Alam_Squeeze | DarkStar1: modify /etc/init.d/tomcat6? |
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| 12:05.01 | klys | ~tomcat |
| 12:05.01 | apt | somebody said tomcat was at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat |
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| 12:05.35 | themill | klys: please use dpkg not apt |
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| 12:06.19 | klys | oh, servlets. |
| 12:06.20 | nsadmin | linuxfreaker, first, I'm asserting that I don't understand how the driver in linux handles multiple cards... second, maybe the 3.2.x kernel in squeeze backports has the driver for your card |
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| 12:07.38 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: The wiki link solution doean't seem to have worked. I restarted the system and it's still listening on ipv6 |
| 12:07.54 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: I have DHCP configured for 192.168.x.x series...and I find that it shows as LINK IS NOT READY.. |
| 12:08.07 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: Is it something to do with NIC issue |
| 12:08.32 | nsadmin | I think so; I think the driver is not aware of the other three cards |
| 12:09.21 | linuxfreaker | nsadmin: But the driver works for one NIC out of 4.. |
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| 12:09.40 | cek | how do i build specific packages in debian/control? |
| 12:11.44 | cek | its not even in maintenars manual. what a piece of joke |
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| 12:12.13 | themill | cek: upstream build systems don't expose that functionality; nor does the debian build system, with the exception of arch-dependent and arch-independent packages |
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| 12:13.28 | cek | well, even rpm doesn't support it i guess |
| 12:13.55 | themill | if you think about it for more than 5s, you'll understand why |
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| 12:14.36 | nsadmin | themill, can you give linuxfreaker a hand getting his four identical nics going with the driver? he got one |
| 12:14.59 | cek | themill, it should track deps automatically. i've got independed packages in it |
| 12:15.22 | cek | why would i need pgsql or sqlite3 variant if i have only mysql instaleld |
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| 12:17.46 | linuxfreaker | themill: welcome |
| 12:18.10 | vdonnef | Hi!! Does anyone know if it's possible to cross compile & "cross" create a Debian packge: Create an Debian ARM package on x86 for example? |
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| 12:19.39 | nsadmin | vdonnef, it should be at least for a subset of the (host, target) pairs... you would need a different compiler per pair |
| 12:20.12 | DarkStar1 | Alam_Squeeze: thanks that seems to have done it. |
| 12:21.12 | nsadmin | vdonnef, how many different machines do you want to cross compile for/. |
| 12:21.14 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 12:21.37 | vdonnef | nsadmin, first just compile ARM packages on x86 |
| 12:22.00 | cuit | hi, I just wanted to ask and see if I was the only one getting consistantly slow speeds from ftp.debian.org, I'm in the UK |
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| 12:22.30 | themill | dpkg: tell cuit about ftp.debian.org |
| 12:22.56 | DasEi | cuit: can't say so (germany here), use synaptics to find your fastet mirrors |
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| 12:23.32 | lulzplzkthx | If I added a testing repository to my system. |
| 12:23.35 | lulzplzkthx | And would like to go back to stable. |
| 12:23.37 | lulzplzkthx | Is that possible? |
| 12:23.41 | cuit | Oh I thought ftp.debian.org was a load balancer for the mirrors |
| 12:24.02 | themill | cuit: no. cdn.debian.net is if you want to use that -- /msg dpkg cdn.debian.net |
| 12:24.04 | DasEi | cuit: there is a gui tool which pings all available ones, takes some time, but very effective |
| 12:24.17 | lulzplzkthx | Furthermore, if I *can* rollback, is there a way I can upgrade *only* Python to Python 2.7? |
| 12:24.41 | themill | lulzplzkthx: no and no |
| 12:24.48 | lulzplzkthx | Fuck. :P |
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| 12:25.00 | lulzplzkthx | I think switching to testing broke some stuff. |
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| 12:25.30 | DasEi | cuit: another way : http://scottlinux.com/2011/05/15/select-fastest-debian-mirror-for-apt-get/ |
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| 12:25.40 | cuit | themill, oh ok thanks, would assume they'd use that primarilly but I guess there must be a reason :P |
| 12:26.08 | Woet | themill: why does cdn.debian.net use GeoIP DNS? Resolver location != client location in many cases. |
| 12:26.25 | themill | Woet: it does in most cases and it's the best that's available |
| 12:26.30 | Woet | themill: anycast? |
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| 12:27.02 | cuit | Ahhh Woet makes good point on what I said, geo-ip not really that reliable, my geoip points to the opposite end of the country for me xD (litterally, im left south, it points right north) |
| 12:27.06 | ksk | guess its harder to setup a anycast setup?^^ |
| 12:27.06 | themill | cuit: yeah, getting a different mirror each time you do an nslookup is a great way of having what looks like a broken mirror |
| 12:27.27 | themill | cuit: just use ftp.uk.d.o if it's not a laptop that goes travelling |
| 12:27.53 | cek | anyone knows what the heck is wrong here? - https://gist.github.com/54d329b49967da8a6373 |
| 12:28.10 | themill | cuit: and geographical location makes little difference at that level of precision. Somewhere in the same continent is sufficient. |
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| 12:28.52 | themill | cek: the error message is fairly clear |
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| 12:29.08 | cek | it used to build the package 1 year ago |
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| 12:29.20 | cuit | themill: yea I put it on ftp.uk.debian.org, I'd forgotten that was what it was supposed to be on xS |
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| 12:30.43 | cek | Not clear at all. What is failing? What's the cwd of failed command, what step of command, what time? |
| 12:30.58 | cuit | Are there mirrors for security.debian.org? |
| 12:31.02 | cek | Is that "dh_install -pbacula-console -pbacula-console-qt" ? Is that the next step? |
| 12:31.09 | themill | cuit: no |
| 12:31.29 | lulzplzkthx | I keep getting a ImportError: No module named apt_pkg |
| 12:31.33 | lulzplzkthx | Every time I run apt-get. |
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| 12:32.33 | themill | lulzplzkthx: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy apt python python-apt python2.7 dpkg" for me? |
| 12:32.59 | themill | cek: I assume you've not looked at dh_install(1), have you? |
| 12:33.37 | lulzplzkthx | https://gist.github.com/2762119 |
| 12:33.49 | lulzplzkthx | Hmmm, oh. |
| 12:33.52 | cek | themill, the problem is that dh_install command succeeds. it's somethign past it failing |
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| 12:34.01 | lulzplzkthx | I think I might have a bit of an idea of what's up, maybe |
| 12:34.19 | cek | I just want to incorporate 1 damn patch into this build and that's all |
| 12:34.22 | themill | cek: quite possibly -- is this the debian packaging or is this your own hacked up stuff? |
| 12:34.48 | cek | i don't want to read dh_install or brk or asm or james barbage adventures |
| 12:35.08 | cek | i just want it to work, that's all. That's my requirement. Work fast and without errors. |
| 12:35.44 | lulzplzkthx | How exactly would I add wheezy to my repositories? Can I simply add it after main? |
| 12:36.39 | bolt | lulzplzkthx: why do you want to? |
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| 12:37.17 | themill | lulzplzkthx: you can't unmix releases... /msg dpkg unmixing |
| 12:37.47 | lulzplzkthx | Okay, here's where it stands... Debian installed. Needed Python 2.7. Attempted to install it, and found I had to add the testing repository. Did so. Everything updated. Tried to install Python 2.7. It needed something else to be upgraded first. So I did that. |
| 12:37.55 | lulzplzkthx | Now I don't know where this sytem stands. |
| 12:37.57 | lulzplzkthx | It feels like a mess. |
| 12:38.01 | themill | it is |
| 12:38.11 | lulzplzkthx | I may try to just reset it. |
| 12:38.13 | lulzplzkthx | And start over. |
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| 12:38.20 | lulzplzkthx | What's the best way to just get Python 2.7 for the future? |
| 12:38.26 | lulzplzkthx | Install manually and ln it? |
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| 12:38.37 | lulzplzkthx | or update_alternatives it |
| 12:38.39 | themill | lulzplzkthx: what specifically are you looking for from python 2.7? |
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| 12:39.08 | lulzplzkthx | It's simply the release I'm used to using. There's a pretty good check 2.6 would work for me too, but I'd rather be on the latest release. |
| 12:39.29 | lulzplzkthx | Which is the one thing that drives me crazy about Debian, is how long it can take for packages to get added to the main repository. |
| 12:39.32 | lulzplzkthx | I understand the reason but.. |
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| 12:39.54 | mafiaboy | guys help me install video card driver in debian.... |
| 12:39.57 | mafiaboy | http://pastebin.com/aPu4Bgyg |
| 12:39.57 | themill | lulzplzkthx: for system tools like perl and python, just stick to what's already there. Getting python2.7 to work in wheezy is still not completed because several hundred packages need to be updated at the same time |
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| 12:41.07 | dvs | ,pciid 8086:2a42 |
| 12:41.08 | judd | [8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42 |
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| 12:42.55 | mafiaboy | can u help me how to install ....i m new to debian |
| 12:42.58 | mafiaboy | came from ubuntu |
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| 12:43.19 | rdz | mafiaboy, to install what? |
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| 12:43.52 | GinToniCool | guys ,i cannt browse internet on dhcp |
| 12:43.56 | babilen | !tell mafiaboy -about ig |
| 12:43.57 | GinToniCool | help me |
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| 12:44.16 | mafiaboy | as i told earlier video card in debian "http://pastebin.com/aPu4Bgyg" rdz |
| 12:44.17 | cuit | What is the difference between the deb entries in apt/sources.list where one has squeeze and one has squeeze-updates before 'main'? |
| 12:44.33 | themill | dpkg: tell cuit about squeeze-updates |
| 12:44.56 | rdz | mafiaboy, oh.. i probably can't help... i mostly use debian on servers, i rarely deal with video crads |
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| 12:45.44 | ChrisH | mafiaboy: Can I assume you are at least on testing? |
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| 12:46.09 | mafiaboy | i m using sttable 6.0.5 |
| 12:46.16 | mafiaboy | ChrisH |
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| 12:46.33 | GinToniCool | i set the /etc/network/interface like this : auto lo;iface lo inet loopback; auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp . |
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| 12:46.50 | GinToniCool | why i cannt get in internet ? |
| 12:46.52 | cuit | ah, so the 'squeeze' entry is all the packages that were in stable from release and the squeeze-updates are updates to those packages after? |
| 12:47.11 | GinToniCool | help me ,please |
| 12:47.15 | themill | cuit: yeah, and of course there aren't many of them |
| 12:47.19 | nsadmin | GinToniCool, one thing, you're here now... what's up with that? |
| 12:47.43 | cuit | If I add contrib and non-free to my main mirror, do I need it on the end of squeeze-updates and security? (I doubt the latter most because non-free isn't supported like that) |
| 12:47.56 | GinToniCool | nsadmin, i cannt get in internet with dhcp ,in debian system |
| 12:48.16 | themill | cuit: you may as well, but don't ever expect to see much from those components |
| 12:48.31 | lost1_ | gintonicool what does your /etc/resolv.conf file say? |
| 12:48.42 | lost1_ | it should say something like nameserver 4.2.2.2 |
| 12:48.59 | cuit | themill: oh yea, slow brain day, squeeze-updates wouldn't add contrib or non-free because of debian's stance on free software and security doesnt even work on non-free so pointless :P |
| 12:49.16 | nsadmin | GinToniCool, hmm. I would need to get the shape of your net, topology |
| 12:49.42 | nsadmin | what kind of connection does your service provide? |
| 12:49.57 | themill | cuit: there are some occasions where this happens, but they are rare because it's often hard to actually get a security fix for non-free stuff. |
| 12:50.00 | nsadmin | cable? dsl? something else? |
| 12:50.16 | nsadmin | (this always takes too long) |
| 12:50.25 | GinToniCool | lost1 ,dude ,i have set the /etc/resolv.conf with DNS |
| 12:50.44 | GinToniCool | IT's like 202.101..... |
| 12:50.44 | lost1_ | ok can you ping your gateway? |
| 12:50.55 | lost1_ | such as ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:51.48 | GinToniCool | i connect my two computers with route ,the route dial with ISP,understand ,i'm poor in english |
| 12:52.10 | GinToniCool | it maybe ok ,i think |
| 12:52.35 | GinToniCool | i can ping 192.168.1.1 in WINDOWS SYSTEM |
| 12:54.05 | lost1_ | gintonicool make sure the linux host and the windows host do not have the same IP address |
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| 12:58.39 | nsadmin | GinToniCool, I'd like to see what ipconfig says in windows |
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| 13:00.44 | GinToniCool | 有中国的兄弟在这里不，能帮忙吗，因为本人英语极差。谢谢 |
| 13:01.11 | GinToniCool | does someone speak chinese here ? |
| 13:01.15 | GinToniCool | thank you . |
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| 13:02.19 | SPF | !cn |
| 13:02.19 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 13:02.22 | syslq | 8 |
| 13:02.53 | trysten | hahahaha |
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| 13:03.16 | trysten | i switched to #debian and saw tons of chinese; laughed. |
| 13:03.31 | Mogget | oi, wow, what happened here? |
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| 13:04.00 | alex- | Which port do I have to open in my firewall to make apt-get work? |
| 13:04.19 | Sm0ke0ut | outgoing 80 I guess |
| 13:04.57 | alex- | outgoing is already open |
| 13:05.12 | ChrisH | alex-: same as http needs. use a proxy? |
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| 13:05.43 | alex- | incoming tcp 80 is already open |
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| 13:06.15 | Sm0ke0ut | it's probably someting else than |
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| 13:07.06 | lost1_ | alex you will need 53 and 80 opened |
| 13:07.22 | lost1_ | 53 for DNS 80 for http |
| 13:08.06 | ChrisH | alex-: why incoming 80? You initiate the connection and I assume your firewall is statefull |
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| 13:08.21 | alex- | udp 53, tcp 80 are open |
| 13:08.32 | himuraken | alex can you ping a domain name from that machine? |
| 13:08.33 | lost1_ | what does your /etc/resolv.conf say |
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| 13:08.37 | himuraken | In other words, does dns resolve. |
| 13:08.48 | alex- | PING startpage.com (85.17.181.241) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 13:08.54 | alex- | it hangs there |
| 13:09.00 | himuraken | OK. |
| 13:09.08 | ChrisH | alex-: have you opened for ICMP? |
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| 13:09.19 | alex- | icmp what is that? |
| 13:09.30 | himuraken | what happens when you do apt-get update? |
| 13:09.51 | alex- | works |
| 13:10.22 | himuraken | what works? |
| 13:10.30 | lost1_ | oh |
| 13:10.36 | ChrisH | alex-: maybe you summaries what you are doing and what you see and what you expect and pastebin that. |
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| 13:11.16 | ChrisH | dpkg tell alex- about does not work |
| 13:11.38 | alex- | https://fds.nl.eu.org/paste.txt |
| 13:12.04 | himuraken | So what is wrong again? |
| 13:12.06 | lost1_ | looks good to me |
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| 13:12.20 | lost1_ | now do apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:12.43 | pjc_ | alex-: icmp is not debian specific, please read up on tcp/ip |
| 13:13.37 | alex- | https://fds.nl.eu.org/upgrade.txt |
| 13:14.01 | gintonicool | ok,thanks everyone |
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| 13:14.32 | gintonicool | i make a mistake ,i write wrongly with 'aoto' |
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| 13:15.43 | ChrisH | alex-: I still do not see anything not working |
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| 13:16.28 | alex- | https://fds.nl.eu.org/wget.txt |
| 13:16.58 | JessicaW | I'm looking for an open source on the fly backup/imaging solution that's fast even with large file sizes. Suggestions anyone? Everything I've found has been for RHEL or pay version. |
| 13:17.17 | tralala | bacula? |
| 13:17.22 | himuraken | alex-, you are all over the map. I cannot help. |
| 13:17.23 | ChrisH | JessicaW: amanada |
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| 13:17.29 | alex- | What do you mean himuraken ? |
| 13:17.38 | tralala | I don't know how fast is it, but it seems to be "enterprise grade" |
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| 13:18.10 | cuit | help, I restarted my router and my debian machine hasn't reconnected |
| 13:18.56 | JessicaW | ChrisH: thanks chris. I'm pretty sure you meant amanda. I'm working with 300-800gb files. amanda was really really slow and bogged down my server. |
| 13:18.59 | alex- | cuit: do ifconfig on it |
| 13:19.19 | cuit | alex-: yea, it doesn't have an ip |
| 13:19.27 | alex- | static or dynamic? |
| 13:19.36 | ompaul | cuit: can you run dhclient? |
| 13:19.39 | cuit | was dyn, now static, neither work |
| 13:20.05 | cuit | for static you need address, netmask, network (ending in 0 rigth?), gateway; am I missing something? |
| 13:20.43 | cuit | oh, forgot broadcast! |
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| 13:21.21 | alex- | anyone can help me? |
| 13:21.30 | cuit | still not connecting |
| 13:22.29 | themill | alex-: no-one understands what your question is. You told us that apt-get wasn't working then made pastes showing it was... |
| 13:23.21 | alex- | no |
| 13:23.24 | alex- | I told wget wasn't working |
| 13:23.25 | cuit | can anything think why my pc isn't getting an ip? the router is on and working, the static ip is set correctly (even dhcp didnt work) |
| 13:23.32 | alex- | then someone said: can you upgrade or update? |
| 13:23.34 | alex- | I said: yes |
| 13:23.38 | alex- | and showed it |
| 13:24.30 | ChrisH | JessicaW: I meant Amanda. backing up big files will take big time :) until you can to things like 3rd copy inside your storage |
| 13:24.40 | ChrisH | alex-: no! your firest Q was: 15:04 < alex-> Which port do I have to open in my firewall to make apt-get work? |
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| 13:25.21 | JessicaW | ChrisH: yeah but it's also a server / client software. I'd like to avoid that too as our NASs are all running windows... (not my choice) |
| 13:25.40 | JessicaW | I KNOW. I'm super picky... (well, my IT department is anyways...) |
| 13:25.52 | alex- | I meant wget |
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| 13:26.06 | bolt | alex-: wget connects to whatever port you want |
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| 13:26.25 | ChrisH | alex-: Then start from scratch and pastebin what you are doing and what happens |
| 13:26.33 | bolt | alex-: if you're fetching stuff from a webserver, it probably needs to communicate with port 80 on that server? |
| 13:26.44 | ChrisH | JessicaW: rsync? |
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| 13:27.29 | JessicaW | ChrisH: tried that too. Has problems with full drive backups. esp if files are being used (i.e. lib files) |
| 13:27.59 | alex- | bolt port 80 |
| 13:28.13 | alex- | ChrisH: i already did.. https://fds.nl.eu.org/wget |
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| 13:29.18 | ChrisH | JessicaW: LVM in place? |
| 13:29.24 | killrd | hi guys...can u help me to start compiz at startup |
| 13:29.30 | JessicaW | I should probably add that it needs to be able to support ext4 (partimage doesn't) |
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| 13:30.29 | JessicaW | ChrisH: nope. 2tb hardware raid 6 volume. OS reads it as one drive. used EXT4 and default partitions. |
| 13:30.53 | ChrisH | alex-: try wget --debug http://www.hompus.nl/xpindex/download/XPindex-0.84.tar.gz |
| 13:31.05 | bolt | alex-: what about port 80? |
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| 13:32.17 | project2501a | hey guys, besides webalizer are there any other web log analyzers |
| 13:32.23 | ChrisH | JessicaW: I still did not understand the _from_ and _to_ parties in your backup. reading open files should not prevent rsync from doing its jobs |
| 13:32.34 | gintonicool | in china ,some guys are richer obama ,some poorer than ,,,,,,than everyone in the world |
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| 13:32.46 | nkuttler | project2501a: piwik has one |
| 13:33.02 | project2501a | who is piwik? |
| 13:33.02 | nkuttler | !tell gintonicool about ot |
| 13:33.17 | nkuttler | project2501a: google it.. |
| 13:33.20 | Dulak | piwik can parse logs? I thought it was only javascript analytics and a counter? |
| 13:33.22 | JessicaW | ChrisH: maybe I'm doing it wrong. I tried to rsync / to a network share. Mostly I just want to make sure that if someone screw something up I can put it all back. |
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| 13:33.35 | gintonicool | nkuttler , i should keep scilence |
| 13:33.54 | nkuttler | Dulak: yes. no. |
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| 13:34.39 | JessicaW | ChrisH: it spat out tons of errors about not having permission. I ran it under the root account... (sudo -i) |
| 13:34.40 | nkuttler | project2501a: Dulak: http://piwik.org/blog/2012/04/urchin-is-discontinued-piwik-server-log-import-goes-live/ |
| 13:34.59 | project2501a | ta |
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| 13:35.09 | JessicaW | ChrisH: someone *screws something up. Sorry. I'm tired. |
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| 13:35.58 | ChrisH | JessicaW: sounds like the errors are on the remote side. What OS/ Filesystem is/was the remote side? You eg. cannot rsync ext4 on NTFS or similar stuff |
| 13:36.36 | JessicaW | ChrisH: I tried it to a windows share and a nfs share. Got the same issue both times. |
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| 13:37.00 | JessicaW | ChrisH: the nfs share was on ubuntu |
| 13:37.51 | Dulak | nkuttler: thanks, been looking for a way to do that for a while now |
| 13:37.55 | ChrisH | JessicaW: Windows share: I exepect you loose to much attributes that way. NFS should work if exported with no_root_squash |
| 13:38.44 | alex- | ChrisH: same problem |
| 13:38.47 | alex- | bolt it is on port 80 |
| 13:39.19 | ChrisH | alex-: pastebin please |
| 13:39.37 | themill | alex-: did you configure a proxy server for apt (see /etc/apt/apt.conf) |
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| 13:40.11 | jameslord | \which package i should install in order to have uuid.h? |
| 13:40.12 | alex- | https://fds.nl.eu.org/wgetdebug.txt |
| 13:40.16 | jameslord | http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=72 |
| 13:40.17 | alex- | themill nope |
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| 13:40.35 | alex- | ChrisH: https://fds.nl.eu.org/wgetdebug.txt |
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| 13:41.32 | ChrisH | alex-: OK, here we see it s a timeout. I assume if you try: 'telnet www.hompus.nl 80' it will timeout, too. Please confirm |
| 13:42.01 | JessicaW | ChrisH: looking into that. Hmmmm, and nothing that will work with a windows share I take it? |
| 13:42.18 | alex- | ChrisH: Trying 213.93.87.91... |
| 13:42.19 | ChrisH | JessicaW: tar your stuff onto the Windows share |
| 13:42.21 | alex- | yes, timeout |
| 13:42.41 | JessicaW | ChrisH: I just punched myself in the face when you said that... |
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| 13:43.57 | ChrisH | alex-: then it must be the firewall. But you said connects to port 80 remote is OK. Try another webserver like www.heise.de to telnet to port 80 |
| 13:44.21 | themill | jameslord: apt-file is your friend, /msg dpkg apt-file; (uuid-dev) |
| 13:44.23 | JessicaW | ChrisH: any idea on imaging though? I can backup files this way, but I'd still have to reinstall the whole OS first then rsync the files back. |
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| 13:45.10 | alex- | ChrisH: https://fds.nl.eu.org/telnet-heise |
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| 13:46.47 | ChrisH | alex-: Strange, that connect is IPV6... give wget -4 http://www.heise.de/index.html a chance |
| 13:46.58 | xylon2 | how to see a list if which daemons are running? |
| 13:47.15 | ChrisH | xylon2: man ps |
| 13:48.28 | alex- | ChrisH: https://fds.nl.eu.org/wget4 |
| 13:48.38 | c0rnel | JessicaW, maybe it was alredy mentioned, but take a look at clonezilla |
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| 13:49.04 | ChrisH | alex-: My conclusion is: You firewall does not care abot IP V4 connects |
| 13:49.11 | gintonicool | i need to open website like youtube ,but ,in my country ,the ISP control us do that ,how can i do ,tell me ,dudes |
| 13:49.19 | gintonicool | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.27 | JessicaW | c0rnel: heh. I was just reading about that. I'm trying to do this on the fly though. |
| 13:49.28 | gintonicool | come on ,buddis |
| 13:49.33 | gintonicool | tell me |
| 13:49.43 | gintonicool | fuckit ISP |
| 13:49.44 | c0rnel | looks like you need snapshots |
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| 13:49.48 | JessicaW | c0rnel: oh, and it doesn't support incremental backup |
| 13:50.03 | gintonicool | i do ,do do not like snapshots |
| 13:50.07 | alex- | ChrisH: how can i solve it? |
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| 13:50.18 | gintonicool | tell me other methers |
| 13:50.23 | ChrisH | alex-: ask your firewalladmin |
| 13:50.32 | gintonicool | for god |
| 13:50.34 | alex- | asks himself |
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| 13:51.59 | jharas | ciao |
| 13:52.11 | jharas | !list |
| 13:52.11 | dpkg | jharas: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:52.31 | alex- | gintonicool: you mean visit or start your own? |
| 13:52.38 | ChrisH | alex-: You do not tell us what Firewall you are running, so I can only ask you to contact the vendor to get support from there. |
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| 13:52.48 | alex- | iptables |
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| 13:53.58 | ChrisH | alex-: I am starting to get angry. I teach my kids to ask and write in complete and correct sentences. you either start doing the same or I will stop now. |
| 13:54.08 | gintonicool | alex,i wanna visit those websites |
| 13:54.31 | themill | alex-: do you actually have a correctly configured ipv4 connection at all? (routing and firewall) |
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| 13:56.28 | alex- | themill how can I check? |
| 13:56.50 | alex- | ChrisH: what isn't a complete sentence in iptables? |
| 13:56.51 | gintonicool | i'm in debian system, i do not know how configure ipv4 ,but ,i think it have not connect with IPV4 |
| 13:56.58 | alex- | gintonicool: use a prox |
| 13:57.00 | alex- | y |
| 13:57.05 | gintonicool | yeah |
| 13:57.11 | gintonicool | i need proxy |
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| 13:57.24 | alex- | proxy.org |
| 13:57.34 | lost1_ | i wonder if you can use proxy.org from inside china |
| 13:57.37 | gintonicool | can you give a free proxy software in debian ? |
| 13:57.49 | alex- | gintonicool: built in |
| 13:58.08 | gintonicool | build in ? what ? |
| 13:58.37 | gintonicool | maybe i cannt open proxy.org website ,YOU KNOW ,GUYS |
| 13:58.41 | themill | gintonicool: please take this to #debian-zh on irc.freenode.net |
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| 13:59.05 | themill | err... #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:59.11 | gintonicool | themill ,you are wrong ,you are really wrong |
| 13:59.17 | gintonicool | NO |
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| 13:59.24 | gintonicool | you are wrong |
| 13:59.43 | gintonicool | no guys in #debian-zh |
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| 14:00.12 | themill | gintonicool: it's on a different irc network. Please /server irc.oftc.net then /join #debian-zh |
| 14:00.31 | gintonicool | no many chinese guys like LINUX in china ,YOU KNOW budy ? |
| 14:00.42 | alex- | gintonicool: Maybe you can't open it? How are we supposed to know if you can open it |
| 14:00.54 | alex- | gintonicool: NO I DON'T KNOW |
| 14:00.57 | gintonicool | ok ,man |
| 14:01.04 | lost1_ | its likely most well known proxy services are blocked from within china |
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| 14:01.06 | jhutchins_lt | We know that the Chinese government develops their own version of Linux, so we know that's not true. |
| 14:01.22 | gintonicool | i can open 'youtube ' twitter ''''and so on ,IN WINDOWS XP SYSTEM |
| 14:01.24 | themill | gintonicool: there are 11 people there and they know how to work with/work around the Great Firewall. We do not. |
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| 14:01.36 | gintonicool | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.00 | gintonicool | i'll be crazy ,no ,themill ,no |
| 14:02.25 | lost1_ | i can't join #debian-zh i wonder why...*** Notice -- TS for #debian-zh changed |
| 14:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | gintonicool: So use the same method in linux. If you don't know how, learn more about linux. We don't know. |
| 14:02.46 | gintonicool | ok ok |
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| 14:03.55 | gintonicool | thanks ,i do not know how can i browse foreign website like youtube ,facebook,and twitter;;;;so ,i need your helps ,everybody |
| 14:04.01 | _martin | hi, how can i use https://github.com/gebi/debianpaste-clients this? there is no readme |
| 14:04.08 | tomasp | Hi all. I tried to installed a new package onto my system with aptitude install and it says Not Found IP error. Any idea what a work around could be? |
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| 14:04.24 | _martin | i'll did wget ttps://github.com/gebi/debianpaste-clients/blob/8adff715153fe195d2ec04171220855cf06a915d/paste.py |
| 14:04.24 | _martin | and downloaded paste.pq but how can i use it? |
| 14:04.29 | gintonicool | fuckit ,stop updtarir |
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| 14:04.53 | bofh80_ | are there any configuration programs in debian that will help me maintain customised configurations for packages (in /etc/blah or whatever) even when a package update has a new one that overwrites it . . |
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| 14:05.33 | themill | gintonicool: please take the swearing elsewhere, and please take your support questions to #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net where you can get help in a language that you are more comfortable with, |
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| 14:07.17 | biberao2 | hi |
| 14:07.29 | biberao2 | where is usually pcre binary? |
| 14:07.54 | tomasp | Like could i possible tell it to use a different mirror by any chance? |
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| 14:08.13 | ChrisH | alex-: iptables is not a completet sentence, but that's not what I refered to. Your questions are incomplete and do not give us all needed information. I/we still do not know how you did setup you iptables stuff. Anyhow I am done with my knowledge with pinning it down to: Firewall does not let pass IP V4 requests to remote port 80 |
| 14:08.39 | themill | biberao2: pcre is a library not an executable -- what are you really looking for? |
| 14:08.53 | biberao2 | its nginx |
| 14:08.54 | biberao2 | ../pcre-4.4 <- |
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| 14:10.21 | themill | biberao2: if that was supposed to help me understand, it didn't. Perhaps put some more information in a pastebin. (Perhaps you could also explain why you're not just "apt-get install nginx") |
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| 14:10.42 | biberao2 | themill i want the location for pcre |
| 14:11.53 | korkman | biberao2: are you trying to compile nginx? |
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| 14:13.19 | biberao2 | korkman yes |
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| 14:14.37 | korkman | biberao2: aptitude build-dep nginx |
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| 14:15.30 | korkman | biberao2: that will install all dependencies required to compile nginx |
| 14:15.39 | biberao2 | it installed only geoip |
| 14:15.43 | evildmp | I'm a bit confused about my options for installing debian |
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| 14:15.53 | biberao2 | the problem im trying to fix is where is pcre located |
| 14:16.08 | evildmp | I want to download a minimal install, put it on a USB flash drive, use that to boot up the machine, and then proceed from there |
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| 14:16.21 | themill | biberao2: can you explain what you are actually trying to do and why? that would help us help you |
| 14:16.31 | dvs | evildmp: Yeah, you can do that. |
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| 14:16.37 | evildmp | is debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/ all I need to put on the flash drive? |
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| 14:16.40 | korkman | biberao2: if it is a missing dependency for build, then you need libpcre smth -dev |
| 14:17.01 | rootant | evildmp: use unetbootin |
| 14:17.06 | dvs | evildmp: Any disk 1 will do (or netinst if you have an Internet connection |
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| 14:17.18 | biberao2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:17.31 | evildmp | yes, I have Internet for that box |
| 14:17.37 | korkman | biberao2: why do you want to tell configure the location? |
| 14:17.49 | biberao2 | no need? |
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| 14:18.04 | korkman | biberao2: no, it's *missing* :-) |
| 14:18.07 | dvs | evildmp: A wired connection? |
| 14:18.17 | evildmp | dvs: ethernet |
| 14:18.22 | dvs | cool |
| 14:18.26 | biberao2 | korkman its missing? |
| 14:18.27 | evildmp | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable I guess |
| 14:18.29 | korkman | biberao2: you need to use aptitude and install the package containing the lib |
| 14:18.46 | korkman | (i just hope 4.4 is available) |
| 14:18.47 | biberao2 | korkman its already here |
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| 14:19.00 | korkman | biberao2: the *-dev version,too? |
| 14:19.03 | biberao2 | ya |
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| 14:19.33 | dvs | evildmp: That'll work |
| 14:19.33 | evildmp | dvs: can I use http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable from a USB drive instead of a CD/DVD? |
| 14:19.51 | biberao2 | korkman though i cant compile it |
| 14:19.55 | biberao2 | it requires some headers |
| 14:20.47 | biberao2 | cant i configure with --with-pcre without specifying the dir? |
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| 14:20.54 | evildmp | and is celeron D processor i386 or amd64? |
| 14:21.24 | dvs | evildmp: 386 |
| 14:22.05 | themill | biberao2: are you running squeeze? |
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| 14:23.28 | dizzylizzy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors#Celeron_D_.28single-core.29 |
| 14:23.33 | biberao2 | themill yes |
| 14:23.41 | dizzylizzy | I tend to check wikipedia for the whole x86/x86_64 thing |
| 14:23.55 | themill | biberao2: and what version of nginx are you building here? |
| 14:24.05 | biberao2 | 1.0.15 |
| 14:24.22 | justin | dizzylizzy: http://ark.intel.com/ |
| 14:24.33 | themill | ,versions nginx --release squeeze-backports |
| 14:24.34 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1.1.17-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.19-1~bpo60+1 |
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| 14:24.46 | themill | biberao2: ^^ that version is just an apt-get away for you... |
| 14:24.54 | biberao2 | hum |
| 14:24.58 | biberao2 | it installs 0.6735 |
| 14:25.01 | biberao2 | or whatever |
| 14:25.53 | korkman | biberao2: that's a backport he's shown you, so put the backports repo in your sources.list |
| 14:25.55 | biberao2 | themill what i need to find is which zlib and pcre version i have and where its location |
| 14:25.56 | dizzylizzy | looks like all of the celeron d's are 64-bit |
| 14:26.02 | biberao2 | korkman thought so |
| 14:26.06 | biberao2 | sorry guys i dont use debian |
| 14:26.07 | biberao2 | :X |
| 14:26.15 | dizzylizzy | Oope wait, my bad, not all :-/ |
| 14:26.19 | user-X | Hi, I have a little problems with fonts -> http://i46.tinypic.com/vymw0.png | Debian - Wheezy, Openbox, Gallium 0.4 on NV96, any suggestions ? |
| 14:26.27 | themill | biberao2: so why are you asking #debian? |
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| 14:26.56 | biberao2 | themill i mean i dont use debian here |
| 14:27.00 | biberao2 | but its the server |
| 14:27.08 | biberao2 | sorry bad explanation |
| 14:27.16 | dizzylizzy | user-X, is it only in your terminal? If it's only in the terminal, try typing "reset" |
| 14:27.22 | korkman | biberao2: ah and you don't want to compile on server? |
| 14:27.25 | themill | biberao2: Is there any reason not to install the already packaged version of nginx? |
| 14:27.36 | biberao2 | themill its old |
| 14:27.43 | biberao2 | korkman i want to compile yes |
| 14:27.48 | biberao2 | but need to specify versions |
| 14:28.06 | biberao2 | ill add backports |
| 14:28.11 | themill | yes. Please do that. |
| 14:28.22 | evildmp | dizzylizzy: dvs - it's a celeron d 331, so apparent intel 64, I guess that means ia64 |
| 14:28.24 | themill | dpkg: tell biberao2 about bdo |
| 14:28.39 | abrotman | evildmp: no, not even close |
| 14:28.42 | dvs | evildmp: no, it's an amd64 if anything |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | would almost guarantee that no one in here has ia64 at home |
| 14:28.54 | evildmp | but it's an Intel CPU! |
| 14:28.55 | user-X | dizzylizzy: I have this in terminal, web browser... hmmm |
| 14:29.02 | dizzylizzy | user-X, actually it looks like somebody is having problem with fonts and libcairo on wheezy, fonts breaking down in browser and terminal |
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| 14:29.04 | dvs | checks his closet |
| 14:29.08 | dizzylizzy | user-X, Did you recently upgrade libcairo? |
| 14:29.19 | dvs | evildmp: AMD invented the extensions |
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| 14:29.59 | biberao2 | whats the command to check exact version of a package? |
| 14:30.13 | evildmp | well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors#Celeron_D_.28single-core.29 says it's Intel 64, so I will try amd64 then |
| 14:30.14 | evildmp | thanks |
| 14:30.21 | user-X | dizzylizzy: I updating all everyday |
| 14:30.22 | dvs | np |
| 14:30.30 | themill | biberao2: apt-cache policy nginx |
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| 14:31.19 | biberao2 | uuu |
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| 14:32.03 | dizzylizzy | user-X, the person said that downgrading from 1.12.2-1 to 1.10.2-7 fixed it I think... you should connect to irc.debian.org and join #debian-next : the person I'm referring to is the user "juste" |
| 14:33.28 | user-X | dizzylizzy: thx, I will try |
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| 14:34.26 | biberao2 | themill one more question -> 8.02-1.1 pcre how do you know which version is 4.4 or whatever? |
| 14:34.50 | themill | biberao2: YOU DON'T NEED TO |
| 14:35.08 | biberao2 | but i wanted to know |
| 14:35.09 | biberao2 | :| |
| 14:35.36 | g3orge | damn. the version of VLC that I have installed is unstable. anything beeter with GUI? is there an mplayer GUI fork? |
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| 14:36.48 | dizzylizzy | g3orge, smplayer, gnome-mplayer |
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| 14:37.07 | g3orge | dizzylizzy: thx |
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| 14:39.17 | biberao2 | php5-fpm is gone from squeeze? |
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| 14:40.06 | ka3 | hi |
| 14:40.28 | biberao2 | guess so |
| 14:40.31 | themill | biberao2: it was never in squeeze |
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| 14:41.53 | Baribal | Hi. I'm having a little updating-problem on a Debian Squeeze. I assume that's ancient and not recommended for any use anymore, let alone production environments? |
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| 14:42.38 | dvs | Baribal: No, it's still recommended |
| 14:43.03 | Baribal | The thing is, I did and apt-get update, which told me that there was no space on disk left. As only 26 of 47GB are in use, that's pretty obviously a lie. So... What now? |
| 14:43.17 | Baribal | dvs, it is? Wow... Thanks. |
| 14:43.26 | themill | Baribal: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update; df -h" for us? |
| 14:43.32 | ka3 | how can i block some web site i don't want |
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| 14:44.02 | dvs | Baribal: How big is your /var partition? |
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| 14:49.32 | TomyLobo | he's right about the ancient part though :D |
| 14:50.13 | dvs | It's only 15 months~ |
| 14:52.30 | TomyLobo | boost went from 1.42 to 1.49 in that time, qt from 4.6 to 4.8 (and a 5.0 alpha or beta or something) |
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| 14:53.04 | dvs | TomyLobo: There's always backports |
| 14:53.22 | TomyLobo | these don't make squeeze itself less ancient |
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| 14:53.48 | themill | TomyLobo: the consequences for users of changes like that are negligible; trying to wrangle those changes into tens of thousands of packages is slow. |
| 14:54.09 | TomyLobo | i'm not complaining |
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| 15:09.53 | chinmaya_n | does anyone know how to share internet via wifi! I tried in google but its not working |
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| 15:13.11 | ChrisH | chinmaya_n: You have an Internetconnection via LAN and want to be a WLAN-Hotspot? |
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| 15:14.19 | chinmaya_n | ChrisH, I have a datacard (USB) now i want to share that connection on Wifi |
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| 15:19.33 | ChrisH | chinmaya_n: from what I found in google (only article in german) it should be possible with Network Manager to share such a connection via WiFi |
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| 15:20.02 | niluje | I'm creating a debian package (django app). I'm trying to understand how it works, and read the code of python-django-mumble. Is there a way to generate the debian/rules file? |
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| 15:22.03 | engla | niluje: the basic rules file is very simple with `dh` |
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| 15:22.09 | Baribal | dvs, sorry for the delay. |
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| 15:22.24 | engla | you can't generate it, but you can use the tools there are to simplify it |
| 15:22.36 | Baribal | As I said earlier, it's 47GB big, of which 26GB are in use. |
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| 15:23.49 | niluje | engla: I created a package-name.install file. I thought running `dh_python' would have change something in my debian/ directory, it hasn't. I've read a lot of documentation, and I'm totally messed up between dh_python2, python-support, python-central, ... |
| 15:24.40 | chinmaya_n | ChrisH, Yes, i tried to create it through netwrk manager by using "Create New Wireles Network". It is creating but it is stying in the list in Netwrk manager but not starting the wifi! I dont know how to start those created connections and some times it starts but shows in the Network mangager when left clicked but that text cannot be touched or clicked (only just a viewable one) |
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| 15:24.53 | niluje | sources are in package-name-version, to create the debian directory I ran dh_make --createorig, did I do someting wrong? |
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| 15:27.39 | antgel | hi all, i have a really weird problem with memory. my laptop is crawling. it looks like it's swapping, but top shows not that much memory use (adding the percentages) |
| 15:27.51 | antgel | yet: |
| 15:27.53 | antgel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.53 | antgel | Mem: 4137532 3700152 437380 0 1652 2686268 |
| 15:27.53 | antgel | -/+ buffers/cache: 1012232 3125300 |
| 15:27.53 | antgel | Swap: 2047996 2047120 876 |
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| 15:28.13 | antgel | you being serious, kicked for four lines? |
| 15:28.18 | korkman | one line too much eh :-) |
| 15:28.23 | justin | antgel: that was 6 |
| 15:28.26 | ompaul | antgel you running out of of swap and the bot is very sorry |
| 15:28.26 | antgel | anyway, ^^ are my memory stats |
| 15:28.28 | antgel | oops |
| 15:28.30 | antgel | heh |
| 15:28.35 | justin | !+enter |
| 15:28.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:28.36 | antgel | yes, very droll :) |
| 15:28.40 | Baribal | antgel, just imagine everybody would do it. Also, it was only four lines up until that moment. |
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| 15:28.49 | antgel | JStoker: thanks, i'm not new |
| 15:28.51 | ompaul | antgel: you need (A) more ram |
| 15:28.54 | antgel | Baribal: yes, thanks |
| 15:29.06 | engla | antgel: the bot doesn't know how many lines still could be coming. better kick after the max lines we want to see |
| 15:29.20 | ompaul | antgel: or (B) run less memory hogging software |
| 15:29.21 | antgel | ompaul: woah, i'm hardly running any process. just chromium with a few tabs |
| 15:29.28 | antgel | that's the weird thing |
| 15:29.31 | engla | niluje: probably. the dh_ scripts are to be used by the package build process, not by you |
| 15:29.48 | chinmaya_n | Can someone tell me how to start a connection which is in the network manager list (as i stated above , it can solve my problem - lets C ) |
| 15:29.49 | ompaul | antgel: close it and wait 20 seconds see what happens |
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| 15:30.07 | ompaul | antgel: a simple memory leak could account for that |
| 15:30.24 | antgel | ompaul: yes, but i'd still see the memory leak in top |
| 15:30.25 | niluje | engla: but shouldn't I try un it by hand to understand what they do? |
| 15:30.37 | ChrisH | antgel: can you pastebin a ps auwwx somewhere? |
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| 15:30.53 | antgel | http://pastebin.com/w46pyRF1 shows my processes, ordered by memory. nothing too offensive i think |
| 15:30.56 | antgel | ChrisH: sure |
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| 15:31.12 | engla | niluje: maybe! you can build packages without knowing them at all |
| 15:31.51 | antgel | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/6w8cfXt2 |
| 15:32.22 | niluje | engla: so, do you have an idea about why running `dh_python2' does nothing in my case? :< |
| 15:33.29 | korkman | antgel: though not resident, your Xorg has an awful lot of memory allocated |
| 15:33.36 | antgel | uninstalls nfs and contemplates all the other crap that seems to be running compared to the old days |
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| 15:34.04 | niluje | engla: actually I'm not sure wether I should modify the rules file generated by dh_make or not |
| 15:34.07 | ompaul | antgel: got none flash installed? |
| 15:34.11 | ompaul | non free that was |
| 15:34.33 | korkman | antgel: actually, every gtk proc seems to alloc 100m minimum ... |
| 15:34.37 | antgel | ompaul: installed, killed it just before as i thought it might be a suspect |
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| 15:34.53 | justin | antgel: is top actually sorted by memory usage? |
| 15:34.54 | antgel | korkman: i don't know what "not resident" means, but i don't see it as big in top |
| 15:35.13 | antgel | justin: the top output i pastebinned was sorted by MEM% |
| 15:35.17 | korkman | antgel: 2813 root 20 0 1157m 17m 6948 S 2.6 0.4 2477:27 Xorg |
| 15:35.25 | xreal | Is there an application to send and recieve SMS via umts from shell? |
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| 15:35.57 | ChrisH | antgel: If you check the rss collum, you can see that each chromium process takes a bunch of memory. RSS is in kB (from man-page) |
| 15:36.06 | antgel | korkman: this is weird. ps auwwx |grep Xorg is returning nothing |
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| 15:36.37 | korkman | antgel: maybe change your gtk theme |
| 15:36.54 | ChrisH | antgel: because it runs as /usr/bin/X see PID 2813 |
| 15:36.55 | biberao2 | bye thanks |
| 15:37.12 | shbk | hello! I want to use linux man for getting information about C++ functions. For example I can do "man printf" and I get info. For this purpose I installed libstdc++6-4.4-doc . I try to do "man cout, man std::cout" - but nothing. How can I use man to get info about "cout, new , etc" ?Thanks |
| 15:37.45 | korkman | antgel: scanning my own process list, the high virtual mem for gtk apps seems normal |
| 15:37.47 | antgel | ChrisH: i see that, ah korkman's paste ^^ was from the top output, not ps |
| 15:37.56 | engla | niluje: you should edit it debian/rules if needed |
| 15:38.07 | antgel | ChrisH: i don't see anything about RSS in man top, can you expand? |
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| 15:38.15 | ompaul | shbk: /usr/share/doc/app-goes-here |
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| 15:39.20 | ompaul | antgel: would you care to do ps awux > longlist and upload longlist so we can see all processes |
| 15:39.28 | antgel | ompaul: sure |
| 15:39.32 | themill | shbk: "apropos $thing" might help you here, but I don't see a page specifically for "cout" itself. "dpkg -S | grep man" may be instructive |
| 15:39.34 | korkman | antgel: in short: processes allocate much more ram than they need (write to) that's the VIRT column in top. the used ram is "resident", thats RES and you can subtract "SHR" from that because that's the amount of RAM shared with other procs |
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| 15:39.41 | chinmaya_n | Can someone please tell me how to start the connections created in Network Manager |
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| 15:39.52 | niluje | engla: In the case I only want to copy files in /usr/share/.., and create a simlink, should I? |
| 15:39.59 | ChrisH | antgel: top is for the first glance... rss is the resident set size, the amount of memeory in RAM currently in use by that process. This is different from the virtual size (sz or vsz or maybe the mem in top). I do not trust top |
| 15:40.08 | bps | shbk http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/libstdc++6-4.4-doc/filelist ctrl-f man3 |
| 15:40.17 | korkman | antgel: so each tab of your chrome consumes 50+ mb |
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| 15:40.33 | korkman | antgel: well not every some more some less |
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| 15:41.01 | engla | niluje: no makefiles or so? don't know then |
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| 15:41.08 | antgel | korkman: according to about:memory, chromium is taking 871900k (Private) |
| 15:41.20 | antgel | i have 4GB RAM on this machine |
| 15:41.23 | antgel | something is fishy |
| 15:41.31 | niluje | engla: No makefile, no distutils |
| 15:41.36 | ompaul | antgel: full ps please |
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| 15:41.51 | rootant | antgel: chromium likes to leave dead processes in the memory |
| 15:41.58 | niluje | engla: I just want to package a django application |
| 15:42.00 | rootant | they remain even after closing it |
| 15:42.09 | rootant | you must clean them manually |
| 15:42.15 | rootant | s/clean/kill/ |
| 15:42.39 | korkman | antgel: another idea: check your tmpfs |
| 15:42.53 | korkman | antgel: df -m |
| 15:42.58 | rootant | if this is what you're talking abou, i've just jumped into the conversation |
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| 15:43.11 | antgel | my longlist (full ps) file is at http://db.tt/RHgDR9HQ |
| 15:43.14 | antgel | ompaul: ^^ |
| 15:43.20 | ompaul | antgel: ok |
| 15:43.50 | antgel | korkman: nice, but tmpfs barely used |
| 15:44.13 | antgel | rootant: i killed chromium before and restarted it, i can do it again, make sure there are no processes lying around |
| 15:44.14 | shbk | bps, well, but these files are in mess. Is there convinient way to search something in them? |
| 15:44.29 | bps | man -k |
| 15:45.03 | ChrisH | antgel: kill chromium; check using ps all are gone; do a sync and check the free -m output before and after |
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| 15:45.41 | ompaul | antony 2242 1.8 3.1 583644 129224 ? SLl 09:46 10:07 /usr/lib/chromium/chromium --password-store=detect |
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| 15:46.03 | ompaul | antgel: as I said in the first case please close your browser and see how much room comes back to you |
| 15:46.16 | hell_razer | how to change notify-send theme |
| 15:46.41 | antgel | ChrisH, ompaul: closed chromium, nothing was left around, still showing 3/4GB RAM used, and 2/2GB swap |
| 15:46.48 | rainfyre | wow |
| 15:46.49 | antgel | i wonder if this machine has been hacked |
| 15:47.02 | ompaul | antgel: na, can you code? |
| 15:47.08 | antgel | some weird crap going on in background |
| 15:47.11 | ompaul | antgel: na, can you code? |
| 15:47.13 | antgel | ompaul: yeah :) |
| 15:47.27 | korkman | (i wonder what a memory leak in a kernel module would look like) |
| 15:47.27 | ompaul | antgel: write a massive memory grabber and releaser |
| 15:47.33 | ChrisH | antgel can you pastebin the free -m, from before and after killing? |
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| 15:47.47 | korkman | antgel, ompaul: memtester can do that |
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| 15:47.57 | ChrisH | antgel: plese add df -h | grep tmp |
| 15:47.58 | shbk | bps, it may seem silly. But I cannot put command together. Did you mean this: man -k apropos cout | grep man ? |
| 15:48.09 | ompaul | antgel: it takes time release the locked ram |
| 15:48.16 | ChrisH | shbk man -k cout |
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| 15:48.19 | ompaul | come back in 5 mins :) |
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| 15:49.02 | shbk | well, I moved to sh@sh-R528-R728:/usr/share/doc/libstdc++6-4.4-doc/libstdc++/html$ . And I did : man -k cout - nothing. What's wrong? |
| 15:49.02 | shbk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.07 | korkman | antgel: swapoff -a, swapon -a |
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| 15:49.28 | ompaul | korkman: here have a blunt weapon ;-) |
| 15:49.31 | antgel | korkman: already been there, swapoff: /dev/sda3: swapoff failed: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 15:49.48 | korkman | i'm in a hurry |
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| 15:49.56 | korkman | just crash the box :-) |
| 15:50.06 | gh0stn0te | hi |
| 15:50.07 | ewet | hi guys.. I can't remember this but I think there was a way to put the first part of the pipe to the end like 'ds PATH | tail' would become 'tail < `ds PATH`' -- well that obviously doesn't work and I'm going crazy ;-) |
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| 15:50.28 | bps | shbk there isn't a cout man page. try 'man -k std|less' |
| 15:50.30 | korkman | antgel: that's really odd can you post top again with head lines? |
| 15:51.12 | korkman | antgel: also, what gfx is that? |
| 15:51.16 | ompaul | antgel: fire up and close down openoffice and or gimp then go have a look |
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| 15:51.39 | ompaul | is confident that it is going in the right direction right now |
| 15:51.48 | shbk | oh, it's faster to use web-search engine or book when you offline rather than this |
| 15:51.53 | antgel | here's output of free before and after closing browser, with df |grep tmp http://pastebin.com/ndX1LpMz |
| 15:51.56 | antgel | ChrisH: ^^ |
| 15:52.13 | rainfyre | ompaul: heh :) |
| 15:52.22 | rainfyre | is sitting back and learning :) |
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| 15:52.39 | antgel | korkman: top output http://pastebin.com/YQtnXtn3 |
| 15:52.43 | ompaul | antgel: all as predicted - time is freeing it up |
| 15:53.12 | ompaul | antgel: what's that browser doing there? |
| 15:53.15 | antgel | ompaul: no it's not, i have few tabs less open, and why is swap fully used? |
| 15:53.30 | ompaul | look at the numbers freeing up |
| 15:53.30 | korkman | the odd thing is, swap would fit into cached, yet it denies swapoff |
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| 15:53.43 | antgel | korkman: it's VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller |
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| 15:53.54 | antgel | i actually like the idea of a memory leak in the kernel |
| 15:53.56 | ompaul | antgel: you were asked to turn off the browser, that wasn't alter the request a little |
| 15:54.06 | antgel | ompaul: what? |
| 15:54.14 | ompaul | it was kill -9 anything with chromium in it |
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| 15:54.32 | antgel | ompaul: yes, i did, and now i'm running it again. time isn't freeing anything up |
| 15:54.43 | ompaul | turn it off and leave the bloody thing off |
| 15:54.58 | antgel | ompaul: right. i'll just pastebin with pigeon post ;) |
| 15:55.04 | korkman | patience is a long lost art :-) |
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| 15:55.19 | ompaul | korkman: and you are in a hurry ;-) |
| 15:55.49 | korkman | antgel: uhm there's far too many chromium procs open if you just closed it and re-opened |
| 15:56.06 | korkman | antgel: there's a setting in chromium to leave background procs running |
| 15:56.10 | antgel | ompaul: sorry, i'm not sure i agree that time's doing anything. i appear to still have 5 out of 6GB RAM and swap used *with chromium off* |
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| 15:56.26 | ompaul | antgel: kill your browser use something else pastebininit |
| 15:56.50 | ompaul | pastebinit |
| 15:56.54 | antgel | THE BROWSER IS DEAD AND HAS BEEN SO FOR 3 MINUTES :P |
| 15:57.02 | ompaul | good |
| 15:57.16 | antgel | as much as i'd love to blame the browser for memory leaks (as usual, especially with plugins), this smells different |
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| 15:57.37 | korkman | antgel: really no chromium left in proc list. |
| 15:57.39 | ompaul | antgel: I'm too old and too cynical to not wait 5 mins with no browser open |
| 15:57.45 | jez | Hi, how can I install gimp 2.8 on squeeze? will it be backported? |
| 15:57.56 | antgel | korkman: 100% |
| 15:57.56 | korkman | antgel: (it's like ... zombies you know) |
| 15:58.08 | ompaul | brain\zzzzz |
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| 15:58.25 | antgel | !tell jez about backports |
| 15:58.31 | antgel | hey, where's the bot? |
| 15:58.58 | antgel | ah, it's in stealth mode by default, nice |
| 15:59.22 | korkman | coffee |
| 15:59.30 | antgel | or was it always like that? it's been a while. anyway i think the kernel module memory leak isn't a bad idea. at least as good as anything else |
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| 16:00.04 | antgel | s/module// |
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| 16:01.20 | WinstonSmith | antgel: as root: "free && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && free" to drop all cache memory |
| 16:02.05 | rabies | hi everybody! |
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| 16:02.56 | WinstonSmith | you could even drop a swapoff -a ; swapon -a in there |
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| 16:03.39 | ompaul | antgel: after WinstonSmith's comment how is your box? |
| 16:04.04 | ompaul | prewired caches rock until someone thinks they have no ram :) |
| 16:04.36 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 16:07.34 | ewet | close: 'tail <(ds)' have fun :-D |
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| 16:08.10 | korkman | re. |
| 16:08.59 | korkman | antgel: a hacked box with rootkit would hide stuff in a kernel module, too, i guess. |
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| 16:09.17 | korkman | antgel: so maybe installing rkhunter isn't a bad idea either. |
| 16:09.27 | ompaul | korkman: no reply to WinstonSmith's comment at 01:20 or thereabouts |
| 16:09.35 | ompaul | minutes / seconds |
| 16:09.50 | korkman | ompaul: maybe the swapoff finally worked :-) |
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| 16:10.24 | korkman | or ... is working ... |
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| 16:10.49 | jez | antgel: but gimp 2.8 isnt in backports |
| 16:10.58 | jez | so are you just saying that's where it will be when/if it is backported? |
| 16:11.03 | ompaul | korkman: my instant response to any box / session in trouble is to say kill a browser, I've too many hours spent up on sessions rotting because a browser is leaking all over the place |
| 16:11.07 | antgel | WinstonSmith, ompaul: will try that, just doing a dist-upgrade prior to my next reboot |
| 16:11.17 | antgel | ompaul: me too, but this smells different |
| 16:11.19 | ompaul | antgel: eh, do it before your reboot |
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| 16:11.24 | WinstonSmith | hmmm.... reboots |
| 16:11.35 | ompaul | antgel: it's kind of the way to free ram when reboots are not in there |
| 16:11.47 | antgel | ompaul: yeh, i will |
| 16:11.58 | antgel | first rkhunter |
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| 16:12.17 | ompaul | antgel: pastebin or we don't believe it ... rkhunter would be blinded if the problem is already there |
| 16:12.19 | antgel | !tell jez about simple sid backports |
| 16:12.44 | ompaul | I've to step away for a bit |
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| 16:12.57 | korkman | ompaul: not every rootkit is perfect... otherwise there'd be no point in a package named root kit hunter :-) |
| 16:13.02 | antgel | wow, rkhunter is more glitzy than chkrootkit |
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| 16:13.42 | korkman | (and this rootkit would indeed be very imperfect ... leaking and stuff) |
| 16:14.27 | aber | probably the new german police rootkit... |
| 16:14.31 | korkman | antgel: what's your kernel anyways? |
| 16:15.08 | korkman | aber: nah ... they wouldn't port it to linux, would they? |
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| 16:15.37 | antgel | korkman: 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
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| 16:17.53 | korkman | antgel: no results with rkhunter? |
| 16:18.54 | korkman | there was a command to create a kernel trace - altgr-sysrq-t? |
| 16:18.56 | antgel | rkunter claims *possible> Xzibit Rootkit, but when i google i see it's a common false positive |
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| 16:19.11 | rootant | well, chromium can waste some memory but i didn't heard about it wasting several gigabytes |
| 16:19.15 | rootant | that's too much |
| 16:19.16 | korkman | antgel: yeah it's false positivy |
| 16:19.39 | korkman | the kernel trace would dump the modules, too |
| 16:19.40 | WinstonSmith | makes a note to switch to Xzibit ;) |
| 16:20.19 | antgel | WinstonSmith: your command saved about 300MB, a pittance in the grand scheme. |
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| 16:20.33 | antgel | i think i'll blame the kernel for leaking and try a reboot *shrug* |
| 16:20.38 | antgel | unless anyone has any bright ideas |
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| 16:20.55 | WinstonSmith | antgel: kill it with fire ;) |
| 16:21.01 | antgel | WinstonSmith: :D |
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| 16:21.18 | antgel | bye all, thanks for your efforts, wish me luck |
| 16:21.25 | korkman | antgel: gl |
| 16:21.38 | WinstonSmith | yeah :) |
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| 16:26.00 | antgel | waves |
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| 16:26.53 | ocx | any good open source project for monitoring users browsing activity? |
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| 16:28.42 | korkman | antgel: the trace thing might still be a good idea. best take a shot now when the system is fresh and another later when i swaps. then look at the "modules linked in" section for differences |
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| 16:30.15 | antgel | korkman: can you explain again what to do? (no log) |
| 16:30.49 | antgel | by the way, steady now at about 1GB used :) |
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| 16:33.00 | korkman | antgel: press altgr-sysrq-t (you know magic keys? that's one of them) |
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| 16:33.24 | korkman | that should dump a trace into dmesg and kern.log |
| 16:33.31 | korkman | (i hope) |
| 16:34.05 | korkman | seems to halt the machine, too |
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| 16:34.58 | craigevil | wonders what ppl do to have any browser using over a GB of ram, here chrome is using 264.6 MiB, after being open for the last 24 hrs |
| 16:35.16 | twobitsprite | does anyone know what version of openssl/gnutls the standard apache2 package is built with in squeeze? |
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| 16:35.37 | korkman | craigevil: browsers are very sensitive about gfx drivers nowadays |
| 16:35.50 | twobitsprite | the package doesn't seem to require or recomment any ssl/tls package, but I have a mod_ssl in my install, and the README doesn't say what provides that mod_ssl |
| 16:35.57 | thorie | i wish iceweasel was faster than chrome |
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| 16:36.07 | craigevil | ah that could be im using the radeon driver on an ancient ati card |
| 16:36.19 | themill | antgel: is this on wheezy, btw? |
| 16:36.23 | korkman | craigevil: and X server. right after one X update, my firefox was rendering everything extremely slow, had to revert |
| 16:36.27 | craigevil | thorie, it is if you tweak it a bit |
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| 16:36.37 | antgel | korkman: you'll like this. the magic keys seem to ignore my (dvorak) keyboard layout. hence my altgr-sysrq-t became altgr-sysrq-k. #fail |
| 16:36.42 | antgel | themill: yep |
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| 16:36.52 | korkman | antgel: lol sorry for that |
| 16:36.54 | themill | antgel: what version of libcairo2 do you have installed? |
| 16:37.00 | antgel | korkman: not your fault :) |
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| 16:37.11 | thorie | craigevil: got any links to some tips? |
| 16:37.11 | korkman | antgel: trace seems to be disabled btw. i tried it |
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| 16:37.27 | antgel | themill: 1.12.2-1 |
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| 16:37.40 | antgel | korkman: yup :( |
| 16:37.51 | themill | antgel: downgrading that to 1.10 has been observed to fix many rendering problems and also memory usage problems with chromium etc. |
| 16:37.56 | themill | !debugs 666468 |
| 16:38.02 | themill | !dbugs 666468 |
| 16:38.06 | antgel | but at the end of the day, this wasn't the browser. it stayed problematic after i closed the browser |
| 16:38.07 | dpkg | #666468:G[xorg-server] xorg-server: major text display problems in several apps (); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:30:02 UTC [666538 666564 666565 666695 666922 666998 667048 667073 667445 667520 667809 668182 668343 668993 672260] |
| 16:38.08 | MO_Handes | !backports |
| 16:38.08 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 16:38.13 | korkman | antgel: but the cmdline works: echo t > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 16:38.27 | korkman | also, not dvorak incompatible :-) |
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| 16:39.52 | korkman | antgel: but my plan fails, it does not contain the modules section i know from oops |
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| 16:40.24 | antgel | i'm going to eat, thanks all for trying to help, it's appreciated |
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| 16:45.28 | MO_Handes | is there any good guides to setup internet explorer (with flash and javascript enabled) on Debian? |
| 16:45.45 | rootant | MO_Handes: in a virtual machine |
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| 16:45.54 | rootant | probably the best choice |
| 16:46.34 | rtmex | Hello All, I installed Debian 6 on a motherboard that has a VIA VT6102 Rhine-II ethernet card but it does not work, is there a fix? |
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| 16:47.30 | abrotman | that's pretty old, should just work |
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| 16:48.12 | craigevil | MO_Handes, google ie4linux |
| 16:48.16 | rtmex | lspci shows the card, and if I do lsmod I see the via_rhine module, but it just can't get an Ip from dhcp |
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| 16:48.21 | abrotman | MO_Handes: pgoogle would be just as good as us in that case |
| 16:48.29 | abrotman | rtmex: errors in dmesg ? |
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| 16:49.31 | MO_Handes | is KVM a gui application?! |
| 16:50.05 | rtmex | I see via-rhine: Broken BIOS detected, avoid_D3 enabled |
| 16:51.34 | rtmex | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [ALKD] BIOS reported IRQ 0, using IRQ 23 |
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| 16:52.29 | ShinyObjects | touches tralala |
| 16:52.47 | Ormu | hello |
| 16:52.53 | ShinyObjects | aw damn he's already left the room |
| 16:53.09 | Ormu | what are the approximate system requirements for debian without X? |
| 16:53.17 | rtmex | So, does that mean that the BIOS is saying that the nic is using IRQ 0 but in fact it's using IRQ 23 ? |
| 16:53.43 | rtmex | If thatś the problem, how cna it be fixed? |
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| 16:57.02 | rtmex | Ormu: I have installed Debian without X on a Penitum I machine with 96MB RAM |
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| 16:57.14 | n-iCe | rtmex: and what is it |
| 16:57.27 | cek | hi. are any amercans around? I'm getting this build error https://gist.github.com/54d329b49967da8a6373 . What's the problem there? |
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| 16:57.48 | rtmex | n-iCe: What is it what? :) |
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| 16:59.01 | n-iCe | rtmex: debian in that machin |
| 16:59.02 | Ormu | rtmex: which version it was? does squeeze or current testing run on that machine? |
| 17:00.14 | rtmex | Ormu: It was squeeze, I have installeed older Debian versions on older machines, Debian woody on a 386 machine with 32MB RAM |
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| 17:01.36 | rtmex | n-ice:It was squeeze |
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| 17:02.00 | Ormu | ok, great.. i'm planning to install it on a pentium 3 -grade computer (something like 500mhz) |
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| 17:03.27 | rtmex | Ormu: Without X, debian will run just fine on that hardware, if you have al least 128MB RAM |
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| 17:04.34 | Ormu | I think it has 128MB (or 256) but I have some extra modules |
| 17:04.48 | rtmex | abrotman: Do you think it clud be a kernel version problem? |
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| 17:08.35 | cek | dpkg-source: info: use the '3.0 (quilt)' format to have separate and documented changes to upstream files, see dpkg-source(1) |
| 17:08.47 | cek | wtf is this message, it just appeared when trying to build a package |
| 17:09.01 | cek | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
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| 17:09.47 | dondelelcaro | cek: the first one is just a suggestion. THe second one occurred because you've done something that can't be represented by diff. |
| 17:09.58 | dondelelcaro | cek: most likely you haven't run clean or something similar. |
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| 17:10.08 | cek | dondelelcaro, I don't want it to be represented in diff. I want the damn compile. |
| 17:10.21 | cek | have run make distclean, still complains |
| 17:10.41 | dondelelcaro | cek: if you don't want it represented in the diff, why are you running dpkg-source? |
| 17:11.10 | cek | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc . here's what i'm running. I have no idea why it does that. I never met such a bullshit build system;. |
| 17:11.44 | dondelelcaro | cek: if you just want to compile the package, use fakeroot debian/rules binary; or similar. |
| 17:11.47 | cek | It just throws unexplainable errors and leaves me with nothing. No explanation, no source line number, nothing. Just meaningless errors. |
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| 17:12.13 | cek | Why is it written in manual that I should run dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 17:12.21 | dondelelcaro | cek: the error isn't meaningless, actually... but if you're just interested in complaining, there's not much I can do to help you. |
| 17:12.35 | dondelelcaro | cek: because that's how you build a source package and a binary package for upload to Debian. |
| 17:12.46 | themill | cek: please take your ranting to /dev/null -- I've asked you several times already today |
| 17:12.48 | dondelelcaro | cek: which means that you build a diff. |
| 17:13.01 | cek | I'd like to build a package i would upload to local package db that would be used to upgrade. |
| 17:13.31 | cek | i have added a patch, but it looks like that broke the build, thanks to official debian build manual |
| 17:13.38 | cek | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:13.59 | themill | adding a patch to the package should be quite simple. Is this patch on the web somewhere? |
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| 17:14.24 | cek | patched according to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#patches |
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| 17:14.30 | dondelelcaro | cek: the maint guide is explaining things properly. You've probably not run debian/rules clean; or have otherwise managed to include a change to a binary blob or something else. |
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| 17:14.42 | cek | buildi according to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html |
| 17:14.54 | dondelelcaro | but if you don't want to build packages for others consumption, you don't need to worry about that. |
| 17:15.06 | cek | yeah, i have done something wrong. It's users fault, always. |
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| 17:15.23 | cek | HAve been compiling linux kernels for 9 years and never seen a problem |
| 17:15.38 | themill | cek: if you want us to help you, please (a) provide real output and (b) start being cooperative |
| 17:15.39 | cek | with patches, with module mods, with everything |
| 17:15.54 | cek | now comes debian build system and tells me i'm an idiot |
| 17:16.09 | dondelelcaro | cek: considering that themill and I both have multiple packages in Debian, it obviously works for us. |
| 17:16.18 | cek | You've probably not run debian/rules clean; -- probably. running binary now |
| 17:16.52 | themill | it's also entirely possibly you've found a bug in the packaging. But we can't know if you don't show us real output. |
| 17:17.09 | cek | the output was given above. the full build with error |
| 17:17.18 | cek | lets see if i get a compile now |
| 17:17.28 | themill | cek: no it wasn't |
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| 17:18.29 | cek | packager is using some sort of Makefile to get the build going |
| 17:18.42 | cek | it has that stupid Makefile syntax that no one likes, you know... |
| 17:19.10 | fasta | How can I build the Linux kernel from a RAM disk into a debian package? |
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| 17:19.30 | fasta | Surely more people have a script to do that lying around on their machine. |
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| 17:20.20 | dondelelcaro | cek: good luck. Feel free to ask for help in #debian when you are ready to be less abusive. |
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| 17:21.44 | korkman | fasta: i just copy it to some tmpfs and compile there |
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| 17:22.15 | korkman | fasta: /dev/shm if it is large enough and no tmpfs is on /tmp |
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| 17:26.40 | abrotman | rtmex: doubtful, that's an old adapter .. 5-6 years i'd guess? |
| 17:27.50 | n-iCe | hi abrotman |
| 17:28.01 | abrotman | hides |
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| 17:37.52 | Woet | I have some questions left during the installation process that my preseed file doesn't have answers for. I've used debconf-get-selections to try and find them, but it's a huge file. Is there an easier way? |
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| 17:46.08 | hattorihanzo | I have a custom writting C http server sitting behind nginx |
| 17:46.17 | OldParr | suddenly i losted all my user cofigurations ... |
| 17:46.22 | hattorihanzo | sometimes it will hang and then seg |
| 17:46.34 | hattorihanzo | what tool should i use to monitor its health? |
| 17:46.42 | Diopter | hattorihanzo: gdb |
| 17:47.00 | hattorihanzo | err i just want it to be relaunched |
| 17:47.14 | Diopter | Why not just fix your code? |
| 17:47.22 | hattorihanzo | easier said than done |
| 17:47.35 | hattorihanzo | the seg is strange |
| 17:47.43 | Diopter | Yes, but there are tools and techniques to accomplish that :P |
| 17:48.05 | simonlnu | catchsegv is an easy one |
| 17:48.07 | hattorihanzo | yes. but still my question is what sort of tools monitor services and launch them if need to |
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| 17:48.40 | hattorihanzo | catchsegv... does that just bring u into gdb after a crash? |
| 17:48.52 | simonlnu | a quick search would reveal at least 3 (off the top of my head) |
| 17:48.55 | simonlnu | no |
| 17:48.59 | Diopter | hattorihanzo: Basically you're looking for any kind of healthchecker. There are dozens |
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| 17:49.14 | Diopter | Many of them are designed for clustering or failover. Others are just single-machine focused |
| 17:50.16 | OldParr | suddenly i losted all my user cofigurations in both operating systems, (linux win 7)...? |
| 17:50.19 | Diopter | monit is a very extensive, FOSS process monitor |
| 17:50.44 | Diopter | OldParr: That's kind of impossible unless your disk is dying or something :P |
| 17:50.54 | doublehp | NFS issue: http://pastebin.com/gWX3Kd2t mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting ... |
| 17:50.58 | simonlnu | 'lost'. losted isn't even a word |
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| 17:51.09 | OldParr | Diopter: it hapened ... |
| 17:51.22 | christian_ | test my connect |
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| 17:51.33 | OldParr | las t time i saw my system ok i was usin imagemagick |
| 17:51.59 | doublehp | Diopter: after a reboot ? |
| 17:52.05 | hattorihanzo | Thanks monit looks like a good fit |
| 17:52.16 | Diopter | hattorihanzo: You bet. |
| 17:52.19 | doublehp | OldParr: after a reboot ? |
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| 17:52.32 | korkman | OldParr: you lost user directories only? |
| 17:52.37 | Diopter | I presume they tried rebooting since they said in *both* operating systems. |
| 17:52.49 | doublehp | Diopter: hapenned to me after just trying to send an email via exim ... the email had been stored in MBR ... |
| 17:52.51 | Diopter | Maybe they're using an NTFS mount for their linux user's home |
| 17:52.55 | Diopter | Shared with Win7 |
| 17:53.00 | Diopter | Which already sounds like a terrible idea |
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| 17:53.20 | OldParr | doublehp: i think it happened while using image magick or uploading some files to a free webserver |
| 17:53.22 | doublehp | OldParr: you just lost ytour partition table ? or random files in still existing FS ? |
| 17:53.55 | korkman | OldParr: are you doing what Diopter said? Sharing an NTFS partition between the two? |
| 17:54.25 | Diopter | If not, I'm really confused and suspicious that both Win7 and Linux have "lost" their "user configurations" |
| 17:54.36 | OldParr | doublehp: i losted my menu bar configuration in linux, i losted the apparent location of my desktop in win 7, i losted my browser configurations in both |
| 17:54.45 | Diopter | doublehp: Looks like you need to change your export permission on your NFS server |
| 17:54.48 | Diopter | doublehp: Or authenticate to it |
| 17:55.09 | doublehp | Diopter: how ? i copied exports from a working server (using different distro) |
| 17:55.11 | korkman | OldParr: do you have a raid-1? |
| 17:55.40 | OldParr | no i have not any raid |
| 17:55.53 | OldParr | do you think is a hacker ? |
| 17:55.53 | doublehp | OldParr: PM can break stuff; did you have a power failure ? sounds like you lost files that were open ... conf files you desribe are often open; sounds like you had a journal recovery failure |
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| 17:56.16 | OldParr | doublehp: power failure, yes |
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| 17:56.26 | Diopter | Like I said... sounds like a disk failure. |
| 17:56.29 | doublehp | OldParr: run heavy fsck, force mode, on all FS |
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| 17:56.40 | OldParr | i had a power failure, yes |
| 17:56.40 | Diopter | Might not be permanent, but at least transient |
| 17:56.43 | doublehp | Diopter: disk failure != FS failure |
| 17:57.01 | korkman | all in all, sounds bad :-) |
| 17:57.02 | Diopter | doublehp: I'm aware. But what I meant was, the disk is in common. |
| 17:57.12 | OldParr | my windows partiton was mounted at the moment of the power failure |
| 17:57.20 | doublehp | OldParr: fsck won't be able to recover files, but you need to sanitise the FS before you restaure your backup |
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| 17:57.55 | korkman | maybe create new profiles on both, might be faster |
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| 17:58.06 | doublehp | OldParr: powerfailure was the only point to mention: fsck. Topic closed. |
| 17:58.26 | doublehp | Diopter: what's wrong in my conf ? exports works on an other server; how do i register ? |
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| 17:58.43 | OldParr | can you give me the syntax to run fsck ? |
| 17:58.55 | doublehp | fsck -h |
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| 17:59.11 | Diopter | OldParr: So you *are* mounting your NTFS partition. |
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| 17:59.27 | twanny796 | hwo do I search for a package, like php? |
| 17:59.40 | doublehp | aptitude search php |
| 17:59.42 | rootant | apt-cache seatch |
| 17:59.44 | OldParr | Diopter: i always munt my NTFS partiton, always |
| 17:59.51 | rootant | search* |
| 18:00.00 | doublehp | Diopter: you have a general Linux issue, which is hardware related. This is now OT. /j #hardware |
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| 18:01.27 | twanny796 | doublehp, do you think php5 in deb is same as 5.2? |
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| 18:01.50 | doublehp | twanny796: you can ask detailed info about package ... |
| 18:02.01 | n-iCe | abrotman: I'm in love with GNOME3 now |
| 18:02.05 | Diopter | twanny796: You can check for yourself easily. |
| 18:02.10 | Diopter | n-iCe: Oh? What were you using before? |
| 18:02.20 | Diopter | Er.. actually this is OT |
| 18:02.20 | dvs | n-iCe: blasphemy! |
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| 18:02.37 | doublehp | twanny796: apt-cache showpkg php5 |
| 18:02.45 | n-iCe | dvs: I swear, it just runs 'fast' it uses 300MB ram don't know why |
| 18:02.45 | Diopter | Or apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 18:03.01 | twanny796 | doublehp, ok |
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| 18:03.19 | Diopter | n-iCe: It runs 'fast' because it uses Mutter, a compositor, which is hardware accelerated |
| 18:03.19 | n-iCe | Diopter: gnome2 but I did an upgrade to testing, and was installed, I hated it for the first 3-4 days, now I can't stop using it |
| 18:03.25 | Diopter | n-iCe: Same as Unity w/Compiz |
| 18:03.41 | Diopter | n-iCe: Do you use the mouse a lot? Or have you adopted the G3 keybindings? |
| 18:04.10 | n-iCe | Diopter: mouse |
| 18:04.27 | n-iCe | all the keybindings can be used with the mouse |
| 18:04.43 | n-iCe | all I use is the window key which shows all the windows open |
| 18:04.49 | n-iCe | allow me to change between them, that's just fast |
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| 18:05.10 | Diopter | n-iCe: Ah. Well, I've got a workflow that is extremely fast, and I never have to touch the mouse. |
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| 18:05.36 | n-iCe | Diopter: about that mutter, you said unity with compiz use it, but I think Ubuntu is not that fast than debian testing with gnome3, I can tell because yesterday I installed Ubuntu 12.04 in my girl laptop, runs not that fast, so I told her that I will remove it and install Debian |
| 18:05.38 | doublehp | Diopter: ion ? console ? |
| 18:05.42 | Diopter | n-iCe: I've toyed with G3/Unity to consider the potential benefits and keybindability. |
| 18:06.26 | Diopter | doublehp: Xmonad + Xmobar, emacs, urxvt, conkeror, a variety of console/emacs apps |
| 18:06.41 | Diopter | Emacs bindings in everything so the same keys work basically everywhere |
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| 18:07.49 | oneNinety | check one :D |
| 18:07.54 | oneNinety | lovely |
| 18:07.57 | doublehp | Diopter: I use mouse only to change the active windows, and select text. Over xinerama, keybinds to change active wind and active monitor are way slower than a mouse move ^^ How do you select text to C&P ? |
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| 18:09.23 | rainfyre | \-`aQEDFTGYHUJIKOLP;' |
| 18:09.35 | Diopter | doublehp: I don't know what you're talking about, but in Xmonad, I can change monitors with a single keystroke. |
| 18:09.48 | Diopter | doublehp: I can also change machines that are linked over Synergy with a single keystroke :P |
| 18:09.53 | n-iCe | Mande |
| 18:10.08 | doublehp | how do you select text in a console to copy paste to an other win ? |
| 18:10.10 | Diopter | doublehp: As for C&P, conkeror lets me do it with the keyboard, and urxvt I have a keyboard-select script |
| 18:10.12 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 18:10.38 | Diopter | Can search or navigate manually to move around. I'm extremely fast at it, as I work in consoles for a living all day :) |
| 18:11.02 | Diopter | The only thing I mouse for anymore are games and flash plugins. |
| 18:11.38 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: There's a mouse deamon called GPM that will enable that. |
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| 18:11.52 | Diopter | Yes, you could do that too, if you really want to. |
| 18:12.06 | doublehp | Diopter: I had a basic issue: I thought about using a webcam with eye recognition to make e17 select the win I am looking at; I still think that keybinds would never be as handy as mouse for me; but, fact is, I often type in a win, while looking at an other win; so, basicly, I need a mental selection of active win. |
| 18:12.20 | doublehp | Diopter: mental readers are not on market yet ^^ |
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| 18:12.33 | Diopter | doublehp: Hah! My coworker and I were already planning how to build that! Focus Follows Eyes would be fantastic |
| 18:12.50 | Diopter | doublehp: Pretty sure a webcam and/or Kinect could do it without much trouble these days. |
| 18:12.55 | jelly-home | doublehp: "don't switch focus while I'm typing" would be a good enough heuristic |
| 18:13.20 | Diopter | jelly-home: Sounds like a great option to enable in FFE mode :P |
| 18:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | would like to see "don't accept trackpad input while I'm typing". |
| 18:14.08 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: That actually exists fairly easily, at least with synaptics gear |
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| 18:14.24 | Diopter | Just use syndaemon |
| 18:14.35 | Diopter | And synclient lets you set PalmDetect=1 |
| 18:14.36 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: Unfortunately not everything is synaptics. |
| 18:14.48 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: i think it's feasable |
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| 18:15.02 | Diopter | I'm aware. Though most things are, and I figured I'd point them out at least ;P |
| 18:15.05 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: disable TP inputs if kbd had been touched less than 0.25s ago |
| 18:15.19 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: i think you can do it at driver, or X level |
| 18:15.22 | Diopter | doublehp: Basically what syndaemon does, more or less. |
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| 18:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: I'd love to have that . |
| 18:16.12 | jhutchins_lt | I'll take a look at the system tonight - it seems to have gone to sleep and taken itself offline. |
| 18:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | I could probably stand to spend some time searching for trackpad configuration. |
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| 18:16.48 | Diopter | Remote into the router and send a WOL packet at it? ;P |
| 18:16.55 | fasta | xz is a compression tool, but it appears that tar has no support for it. Why not? |
| 18:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: I don't think an Acer One will do that. |
| 18:17.09 | doublehp | Diopter: Xmonad just sounds like Ion ... is it really "deeply" different ? |
| 18:17.29 | Diopter | fasta: Because xz is relatively new, and probably not GNU. |
| 18:17.51 | f8l | fasta: tar has support for xz. -J option. |
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| 18:18.00 | doublehp | fasta: tar is not a compression tool |
| 18:18.16 | fasta | doublehp: it's also a compression tool. |
| 18:18.28 | engla | fasta: install xz-utils |
| 18:18.31 | doublehp | fasta: compression support is optionnal, and not "basic" |
| 18:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | fasta: No, it uses external tools for compression. |
| 18:18.51 | fasta | Oh, my why do I enter silly discussions like this? |
| 18:18.58 | doublehp | it can subcall any syslib installed |
| 18:19.07 | fasta | Please talk about something more interesting. |
| 18:19.11 | doublehp | fasta: help me fixing my NFS, and I quit |
| 18:19.25 | fasta | doublehp: are you using version 4? |
| 18:19.36 | doublehp | Diopter: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Xmonad-screen-triplehead-dons.png is that you ? :D |
| 18:19.48 | doublehp | fasta: NFS issue: http://pastebin.com/gWX3Kd2t mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting ... |
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| 18:20.22 | Diopter | doublehp: Not super familiar with Ion, but according to Wikipedia, it's tiling and tabbing. Apparently Ion came up with a lot of ideas other tiling WMs developed. |
| 18:20.23 | doublehp | clients works fine when using Uranus as server; conf files of Leon have been copied from Uranus; Uranus is Gentoo, Bee and Leon are Debian |
| 18:20.44 | fasta | doublehp: no idea. If the other option worked, I would suggest to don't change it. |
| 18:20.55 | Diopter | doublehp: Xmonad is an automatic tiling WM without tabbing by default. It's configured in Haskell, a programming language. |
| 18:21.13 | doublehp | fasta: Uranus is a desktop; I need to move my NFS service to an always on server |
| 18:21.16 | Diopter | doublehp: Can you paste your exports config somewhere? |
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| 18:21.46 | doublehp | Diopter: it's in the paste link I gave 1mn ago |
| 18:21.52 | Diopter | doublehp: And no, that picture isn't me, but I do have 3 monitors at work using synergy + xmonad ;P |
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| 18:22.02 | justin | doublehp: did you edit the output from df -h ? |
| 18:22.08 | doublehp | Diopter: I got 6 ^^ |
| 18:22.17 | doublehp | no |
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| 18:22.30 | justin | doublehp: then what is /mnt/big and /mnt/home supposed to be? |
| 18:22.51 | LordDeath | guys, I have a debian mail server and I am using fail2ban to avoid brute force logins |
| 18:22.56 | fasta | Xmonad is interesting for being formally verified for some basic properties and it's nice if you can program Haskell. I currently use a system which already does most of the things I care about. |
| 18:22.57 | LordDeath | it works on ssh |
| 18:22.58 | Diopter | doublehp: I used to have 7, but I got tired of turning my head. Consolidated to 3 24" ;P |
| 18:23.04 | justin | doublehp: showmount -e 192.168.0.202 might help |
| 18:23.06 | doublehp | justin: empty folders |
| 18:23.06 | LordDeath | but the sasl rule doesn't work |
| 18:23.17 | fasta | Diopter: 7 screens? |
| 18:23.19 | LordDeath | yesterday's logwatch: "SASL Authentications failed 5725 Time(s) Service smtp (rimap) - 5725 Time(s):" |
| 18:23.23 | fasta | Diopter: stock trader? |
| 18:23.25 | Diopter | doublehp: Also, re: NFS, you're specifying 192.168.0.202/24. What you really want is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 18:23.34 | doublehp | justin: I run that in leon or bee ? |
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| 18:23.44 | justin | doublehp: both will be useful |
| 18:23.47 | Diopter | fasta: Linux Network Engineer. Lots of tiled router/switch/server monitoring stuff |
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| 18:24.18 | fasta | Diopter: can't those just send you an email when there is a problem? |
| 18:24.19 | doublehp | justin: both: clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered |
| 18:25.02 | doublehp | Diopter: 0.0/24 did not help |
| 18:25.11 | f8l | fasta: doublehp is right. tar -J will not give you an archive of LZMA2 compressed files, but a LZMA2 compressed tar archive. It's not seekable unless unpacked. You may want to check out p7zip. |
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| 18:25.33 | doublehp | fasta: tar first, then compress |
| 18:25.44 | Diopter | fasta: Yes, but when there Is a problem in a 10,000 machine cluster spread across 4 datacenters, sometimes it helps to have email + ticketing system + browser + editor + a cluster of ssh terminals + clusters of interface monitoring + etc... |
| 18:25.48 | fasta | f8l: I am interested in something which is a front-end for lots of compression methods. |
| 18:25.55 | krisfremen | 7zip |
| 18:25.56 | fasta | f8l: and decompression methods. |
| 18:26.08 | Diopter | fasta: I've condensed into workspaces and buffers in emacs/browser to get rid of all the screens. |
| 18:26.17 | fasta | Oh, and it should do the right thing depending on the file extension. |
| 18:26.25 | fasta | (and/or magic bytes) |
| 18:26.26 | doublehp | fasta: you can write a script based on the "file" tool |
| 18:26.29 | fasta | That would be all. |
| 18:26.35 | f8l | fasta: Seriously, try out p7zip. |
| 18:26.43 | justin | doublehp: try /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart (or whatever the script is) |
| 18:26.47 | justin | doublehp: you seem to be missing a few things |
| 18:26.55 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.58 | dawud | fasta: atool is nice |
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| 18:27.06 | jelly-home | fasta: lrzip! |
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| 18:27.12 | jelly-home | hides |
| 18:27.16 | dawud | lol |
| 18:27.23 | simpleirc | hi |
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| 18:27.33 | f8l | simpleirc: Hello. |
| 18:27.52 | karlpinc | Diopter: I'm considering using xdmx and something like a raspberrypi with an nfs root to get multiple screens and yet have one desktop. |
| 18:28.04 | aadr | is there something like ssh but for telnet |
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| 18:28.18 | justin | doublehp: if you are trying to switch from the userspace server to the kernel server should purge nfs-user-server package |
| 18:28.19 | krisfremen | aadr: telnet... |
| 18:28.21 | f8l | aadr: telnet… |
| 18:28.27 | aadr | ssh will show ncurses |
| 18:28.29 | dawud | aadr: there's a kerberized telnet |
| 18:28.43 | justin | !wayttd aadr |
| 18:28.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aadr? |
| 18:28.45 | dawud | now you lost me ... |
| 18:28.52 | doublehp | justin: Diopter : works now, but I don't understand why : http://pastebin.com/3Ev06K5J |
| 18:29.27 | aadr | telnet will not show colors... will it |
| 18:29.45 | justin | !wayttd aadr |
| 18:29.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, aadr? |
| 18:29.49 | fasta | dawud: yeah, I think I want atool. Thanks. |
| 18:29.52 | doublehp | justin: package had been removed by aptitude, just pasted her an old line, that worked (purge does not flush init.d), and in the end, this wrong line made it work !!! |
| 18:29.54 | Diopter | doublehp: Excellent. |
| 18:29.57 | jelly-home | aadr: what is your actual goal. |
| 18:30.06 | justin | doublehp: purge should remove old init scripts |
| 18:30.17 | doublehp | aadr: it can; depends on your $TERM |
| 18:30.27 | doublehp | justin: should != does |
| 18:30.55 | aadr | so telnet can show colors and all eg in mc as good.as ssh? |
| 18:31.14 | fasta | dawud: can atool also extract from stdin? |
| 18:31.15 | doublehp | aadr: "can" |
| 18:31.19 | wordToDaBird | I was updating my box a couple weeks back and the power went out. It killed my fs after a little work reseting the virtual fs i have the system up and booting. But most of my drivers don't start. I can see at the start of my system udev terminated. Which leads me to believing I need to update dpkg. When I try to update dpkg through apt-get update I continuously get |
| 18:31.31 | f8l | aadr: You seem not to understand the difference between ssh and telnet… |
| 18:31.35 | jelly-home | aadr: it's your terminal that interprets escape codes as colors, not telnet or ssh. |
| 18:31.41 | justin | wordToDaBird: run debsums, that will help |
| 18:31.45 | jelly-home | aadr: try it: telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu |
| 18:31.46 | dawud | fasta: never tried |
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| 18:32.48 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose it's a bit much to expect WOL to work over wifi. |
| 18:33.11 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: it should ... |
| 18:33.37 | wordToDaBird | when I try and update any package I keep getting a message that says interrupted |
| 18:33.45 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: it should ... assuming the target client is not listening on the Wifi nic (some very recent cards can handle it ) |
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| 18:33.57 | doublehp | but sender can be wifi |
| 18:34.13 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: Target client (asleep) is a netbook on wifi. |
| 18:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | It drops the wifi connection when it's asleep for long enough. |
| 18:35.04 | jhutchins_lt | wordToDaBird: Are we to infer that you do not have a backup? |
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| 18:35.41 | aadr | jelly-home if one would like to customize handling of esc codes then what does it? kernel for vt and program for xterm like konsole etc? |
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| 18:36.08 | doublehp | wordToDaBird: paste message. it should also say to run dpkg -a ... or so |
| 18:36.15 | fasta | jhutchins_lt: how can one backup a running system in Debian with everything EXT4? |
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| 18:36.36 | jelly-home | aadr: in general, you don't need to do that. Can you describe what your goal is? |
| 18:36.41 | doublehp | fasta: the easy way I choosed: rsync |
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| 18:36.58 | fasta | doublehp: that can create an inconsistent state. |
| 18:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | fasta: There are so many options that it boggles the mind - and ext4 doesn't have any bearing on the matter. |
| 18:37.12 | doublehp | fasta: restaured twice, was fine |
| 18:37.31 | fasta | jhutchins_lt: I only need one that works. |
| 18:37.45 | fasta | jhutchins_lt: I already backup normal files. |
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| 18:37.50 | aadr | jelly: fixing legacy app that sends broken esc codes and is unmodificable |
| 18:37.52 | jhutchins_lt | There's a whole book on backup from O'Reilly (not that it's terribly useful). |
| 18:37.55 | bolt | I have a problem where x11vnc will output "collect_xdamage: too many xdamage events 1000+695342" and then stop updating the client until i kill x11vnc and restart it. new clients can not connect when this happens. what can I do about it? i tried simply using -noxdamage, but that takes way too much cpu. how can I make xdamage not go berzerk? |
| 18:38.12 | doublehp | fasta: in short, Linux native file systems don't really support the backup options to allow freesing the FS for backing up purposes. |
| 18:38.21 | engla | btrfs will support it |
| 18:38.34 | doublehp | fasta: for better backup support, use a better FS: NTFS, Sun, VAX, or Alpha ones ... |
| 18:38.47 | f8l | aadr: You should probably search for a terminal emulator with support for legacy terminals. |
| 18:38.54 | fasta | doublehp: so, there are too many options, but there is actually no option? |
| 18:39.08 | fasta | doublehp: that's a good piece of twisted logic by jhutchins_lt right there. |
| 18:39.13 | doublehp | fasta: ext* are not designed for real "good" BU purposes |
| 18:39.22 | f8l | Yes, btrfs has snapshots. |
| 18:39.23 | jelly-home | bolt: if you have a compositing wm, disable or replace it if possible |
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| 18:39.35 | fasta | brtfs is an experimental system. |
| 18:39.48 | dawud | fasta: LV can be snapshotted too |
| 18:39.56 | Diopter | btrfs is kind of awesome, experimental or not |
| 18:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | fasta: I don't know what you mean to back up that's not "normal files", but aptitude search ~dbackup |
| 18:39.57 | doublehp | any method on ext will lead to possible unconsistencies |
| 18:40.03 | dawud | (is that ok, "snapshotted"?) |
| 18:40.11 | Diopter | Yes. |
| 18:40.12 | f8l | fasta: Sure it is. I use it for couple of years now and it never failed me. |
| 18:40.25 | fasta | f8l: ok, good to hear. |
| 18:40.25 | Diopter | btrfs has an fsck now as well. |
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| 18:40.31 | korkman | fasta: crash-consistent backups are possible with lvm2 snapshots or, if you like to transfer only changed data, drbd |
| 18:40.34 | bolt | jelly-home: i am using xcompmgr. i'll try not using it :) |
| 18:40.39 | engla | I've used btrfs and it has failed me :-) I had backups |
| 18:40.42 | duser | hi all. i'd like to compile a linux 3 kernel. i searched with apt and i found a generic "linux-source-3.2". concerning the headers though, i found "linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64" are they ok to work together? thanks. |
| 18:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: You know, it's funny, commercial linux systems have been doing satisfactory backups for ages. |
| 18:41.01 | jelly-home | aadr: huh. Rather than hacking xterm, I'd probably make a wrapper that passed input to the app, and replaced incorrect escape codes with whatever the terminal emulator supported |
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| 18:41.30 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: good, yes, but using "many workarounds" |
| 18:41.44 | f8l | engla: I backup to an XFS drive. Just in case. ;-) |
| 18:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | aadr: You might be able to work with the termcap file and/or the xterm settings to get the right combination. |
| 18:41.53 | doublehp | jhutchins_lt: as I said, rsync is "satisfactory" for me |
| 18:41.55 | aadr | jelly but how would wrapper be connected. only on client side not on server |
| 18:41.59 | jhutchins_lt | doublehp: It's a non-problem. We're impressed with your knowledge. |
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| 18:42.51 | jelly-home | aadr: it doesn't really matter where it would be placed |
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| 18:45.09 | jelly-home | aadr: perhaps the breakage can be worked around with screen and its termcap/terminfo configuration |
| 18:45.20 | duser | let me ask it this way: which linux headers for this kernel? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-source-3.2 |
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| 18:45.56 | jelly-home | duser: you don't need headers to rebuild a kernel. |
| 18:45.58 | f8l | duser: You don't need a headers package if you compile from source. Source already has headers in it. ;-P |
| 18:46.08 | doublehp | new NFS issue : http://pastebin.com/k9BDqwM9 |
| 18:46.10 | jelly-home | erm. you don't need _kernel_ headers that is |
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| 18:46.30 | duser | neither i have to compile an external module? |
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| 18:46.38 | duser | *neither if |
| 18:46.43 | f8l | duser: Read about kernel-package and make-kpkg. |
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| 18:47.28 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell duser about kernel compile |
| 18:47.30 | f8l | duser: For compiling external module you need headers OR sources of the kernel. It should be the same version you are running. |
| 18:47.32 | fasta | dawud: I think aupack also doesn't preserve permissions. I.e. tar's -p option. |
| 18:47.36 | Diopter | duser: Compiling a custom/patched kernel module usually will require the kernel sources. |
| 18:47.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell duser about make-kpkg |
| 18:47.45 | Diopter | duser: Sometimes just the headers are fine. Depends on the module. |
| 18:48.14 | f8l | duser: If it is in form of patches, you need the full source. |
| 18:48.18 | duser | so the headers are just a short-way not to get sources! :) |
| 18:48.32 | f8l | duser: Yes. |
| 18:48.34 | jelly-home | kernel source Makefile has a "deb-pkg" target these days, the packages it generates are... passable |
| 18:48.40 | duser | (in order to compile external drivers...) |
| 18:48.50 | duser | ok, thanks everyone! |
| 18:49.07 | f8l | duser: Headers tell you what can you do. Sources — how to do it. You don't need to know how to do things if you make kernel do them. |
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| 18:52.33 | dawud | fasta: it's a simple wrapper for actual compression/decompression utils, it doesn't implement any logic on its own, but it may be true |
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| 18:54.06 | duser | just one more thing... i need to compile the nvidia driver. usually, after compiled a kernel for my hardware, i run the nvidia installer. do i need the headers to let it do its work? |
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| 18:54.29 | duser | or it finds the sources and it is happy this way? :) |
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| 18:54.54 | f8l | duser: If it finds sources, it will probably also find headers in them. |
| 18:55.20 | duser | or is there a way to compile a custom kernel with the external driver in just one step? |
| 18:56.02 | f8l | duser: I think you should compile out-of-tree modules separately. |
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| 18:56.16 | duser | f8l: ok, thanks |
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| 19:01.37 | jhutchins_lt | The only reason to recompile the kernel is to internalize the module. If you're just changing a module that's all you need to compile. |
| 19:02.17 | doublehp | duser: in one word: no |
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| 19:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | (Conversely true if you're externalizing an internal module) |
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| 19:03.44 | doublehp | new NFS issue : http://pastebin.com/k9BDqwM9 ; how to mount a mounted dir ? |
| 19:04.19 | duser | i guess it 'is not a good idea to configuring a linux-3 kernel starting from a v2 config, right? |
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| 19:05.00 | jhutchins_lt | duser: It's not ideal, but make oldconfig can be done. |
| 19:05.13 | jhutchins_lt | duser: It'll take some tweaking no matter what. |
| 19:05.22 | korkman | duser: shouldn't be too bad. 3 series is only a label, not a major shift |
| 19:05.31 | jelly-home | duser: it's not any different as reusing a .config from older 2.6.x on newer 2.6.y |
| 19:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | duser: There really aren't many drastic changes from 2.x to 3.x, it's just a matter of where to draw the line for naming. |
| 19:06.32 | sussudio | could someone tell me what would be causing random 10-15 minute periods where trying to start a new task would cause it to lock up, but already started tasks just keep running? i've ran SMART tests on the harddisks already... |
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| 19:07.16 | doublehp | sussudio: do you have X ? |
| 19:07.17 | duser | so i copy my 2.6 .config and run "make oldconfig" instead of "make menuconfig" or i can safely don't care about it and run only the classic "make menuconfig"? |
| 19:07.30 | sussudio | doublehp: lemmesee. |
| 19:07.56 | sussudio | doublehp: that appears to be running. |
| 19:08.01 | doublehp | sussudio: almost anything can do this: if using NFS, DNS issues can. X can (bugged driver); faulty memory, faulty IDE or Sata chipset (or drive firmware) |
| 19:08.02 | sussudio | i'm not using it, someone else is. |
| 19:08.18 | f8l | duser: menuconfig will probably choose the default values for not configured options. |
| 19:08.30 | doublehp | sussudio: look if you ran out of swap |
| 19:08.33 | karlpinc | sussudio: You could try looking to see what's going on. (I usually start with vmstat.) |
| 19:08.42 | duser | f8l: so it is better than oldconfig... |
| 19:08.51 | doublehp | sussudio: failty HDD cable can |
| 19:09.14 | sussudio | doublehp: i don't see anything mounted as NFS, but there's something called fusectl |
| 19:09.18 | f8l | duser: You can tell oldconfig to choose defaults too, but that's not the point of configuring. ;-P |
| 19:09.21 | doublehp | sussudio: kernel drivers bugs can (I have many issues with network, sound, and Xen drivers) |
| 19:09.30 | duser | ok, i read that "make oldconfig" will prompt for any new settings... |
| 19:09.37 | doublehp | sussudio: fuse does have a 15mn timeout |
| 19:09.51 | sussudio | doublehp: it really only started happening after the last apt-get upgrade a week ago |
| 19:10.11 | sussudio | had been running without problems for 6 months |
| 19:10.13 | f8l | duser: It's like "reuse old config". Yes, it'll ask for new stuff. |
| 19:10.25 | doublehp | sussudio: did not upgrade since 2y ^^ but, yes, that's the kind of issue you can have after a fuse, udev, or hal update |
| 19:10.48 | duser | f8l: and after asking for new stuff it runs the classic ncurses interface? |
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| 19:11.00 | f8l | duser: You do it manually. |
| 19:11.11 | sussudio | doublehp: is fuse something i can get rid of? |
| 19:11.21 | doublehp | sussudio: in short, yes. |
| 19:11.25 | duser | os i need to run both, oldconfig first and then menuconfig |
| 19:11.28 | duser | *so |
| 19:11.29 | sussudio | i don't see it as a package... |
| 19:11.31 | doublehp | hal can also be moved away |
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| 19:11.43 | fleekypond | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.45 | f8l | duser: It's not like you can't configure more than once before compiling. ;-) |
| 19:11.50 | doublehp | kill X and see |
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| 19:12.02 | doublehp | (use VNC instead, if you need X ) |
| 19:12.03 | duser | ok, let's try :) |
| 19:12.12 | f8l | duser: Yes, `make oldconfig; make menuconfig` should do the trick. |
| 19:12.23 | sussudio | it's running Xtightvnc |
| 19:12.27 | f8l | duser: Also you may want to try out the new `make nconfig`. |
| 19:12.43 | duser | f8l: one thing at tiem :D |
| 19:12.46 | duser | *time |
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| 19:13.02 | duser | what the is now this nconfig?? :D |
| 19:13.22 | sussudio | doublehp: i did notice something odd after the upgrade; nothing is showing as using cpu anymore in top. |
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| 19:13.48 | f8l | duser: It's like menuconfig, but fresher. ;-) |
| 19:13.49 | doublehp | sussudio: can be related with any network or kernel issue. It can even be a side effect of other computers on the network (if a backup between two other computers saturate a switch, then, you get lag to reach your DNS, and this can swlo you doww - had the case ) |
| 19:13.56 | karlpinc | !tell fleekypond about free whcp |
| 19:13.59 | duser | f8l: :-o |
| 19:14.26 | sussudio | doublehp: i think the kernel has been upgrades twice by an apt-get upgrade... maybe i should reboot it |
| 19:14.27 | f8l | duser: It took me some time to adjust, but I found it better. |
| 19:14.48 | doublehp | sussudio: fear the worst: after a kernel update, I lost my NIC once :D |
| 19:15.04 | duser | not at the moment, if it take time... :) |
| 19:15.10 | doublehp | ( i gained the snoud card, but lost NIC ) |
| 19:15.21 | sussudio | doublehp: someone else had 8 cpu cores get saturated by a broadcom driver bug once... |
| 19:15.26 | fleekypond | thanks karlpinc ill check it out |
| 19:16.05 | deever | someone here running a wifi AP and willing to help ma? http://www.pastie.org/3946108 |
| 19:16.14 | duser | i run oldconfig and it starts with some difficult questions! :) hope they are not so many... |
| 19:16.21 | f8l | doublehp: I had similar case. I booted to different kernels depending on what hardware I needed. ;-P |
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| 19:16.49 | f8l | duser: It depends how many are new since you last configured. |
| 19:17.05 | duser | since 2.6.32 |
| 19:17.08 | f8l | duser: Also you can hit ? to read help |
| 19:17.15 | bitHipy | where is outbound mail kept, as attempts are made to send? |
| 19:17.16 | doublehp | sussudio: f8l : if I boot my Xen kernel, I know I will have random KP after 1mn to 4h ... stable box with XEN disabled |
| 19:17.18 | sussudio | on the other hand, nforce will actually look at your server and fix it within reasonable time, unlike OVH or Hetzner. |
| 19:17.19 | duser | f8l: useful ;) |
| 19:17.23 | f8l | duser: Nah, it wasn't very dynamic. |
| 19:17.50 | doublehp | sussudio: 15mn sounds like Fuse. Every 5mn or hour, it would be cron: Munin makes my box slow down |
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| 19:18.04 | duser | f8l: i guess that pressing enter will apply the default choise... |
| 19:18.05 | sussudio | hm |
| 19:18.18 | f8l | duser: I was about to tell you that. |
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| 19:22.48 | sussudio | doublehp: it doesn't slow down the box, it makes spawning new processed impossible, everything that's already running just keeps doing so |
| 19:23.08 | doublehp | sussudio: VM or memory issue |
| 19:23.21 | doublehp | but can be HDD related |
| 19:23.45 | doublehp | sussudio: hmmm multi core ? faulty core; try a live CD |
| 19:23.56 | doublehp | (yes a core can die with time) |
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| 19:24.16 | sussudio | doublehp: it's a colocated server |
| 19:24.18 | doublehp | sussudio: does it do it on clock boundary ? uptime boundary ? |
| 19:24.30 | doublehp | colocated ? VM ? |
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| 19:24.40 | sussudio | no, it's not shared |
| 19:25.16 | sussudio | how do you even test if a core if working properly |
| 19:25.44 | sussudio | there's nothing in syslog, except for the odd bdi-default hang message, but not every time it hangs |
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| 19:26.46 | doublehp | sussudio: use top, and print the core # tasks are running on; disable task core migration, and after boot, write on paper which PIDs are on which core. When you get a freese, look what remains fluent |
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| 19:26.56 | doublehp | sussudio: some kernel drivers can probe broken cores |
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| 19:27.18 | doublehp | sussudio: my broken CPU have different L1 cache size depending on boots ... |
| 19:27.20 | duser | f8l: which "processor family" would you suggest me for an intel quad core? |
| 19:27.46 | doublehp | if I boot with half L1 on core 0, I am fine; if I boot with full cache, then, I get freese when the half cache disconnects |
| 19:28.35 | sussudio | hm. |
| 19:29.20 | doublehp | when cache lines reconnects, machin unfreeses. Issue was not affected by hitting the box, cooling, heating, or time. Was just random |
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| 19:30.03 | f8l | duser: I don't remember the choices… Will check in a moment. |
| 19:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | duser: You mean 32 vs. 64? |
| 19:30.54 | doublehp | NFS issue : http://pastebin.com/k9BDqwM9 ; how to mount an NFS mounted dir ? |
| 19:30.57 | duser | there's thw choises for 64 |
| 19:31.06 | doublehp | IA64 rox ^^ |
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| 19:31.22 | f8l | duser: Core 2/newer Xeon? |
| 19:31.24 | duser | "AMD-Opteron/Athlon64 (MK8)" and generic-x86-64 |
| 19:31.43 | jhutchins_lt | duser: Where do you see this choice? |
| 19:32.09 | f8l | duser: No way. I have an amd64 kernel and I chose "Core 2/newer Xeon". |
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| 19:32.41 | doublehp | Itanium are true 64 (not like AMD64), and are Intel, and they just work? |
| 19:32.44 | iluminator101 | (i) Receiving new playlist... Error: Internal error. |
| 19:32.45 | doublehp | -? +! |
| 19:32.48 | duser | Processor type and features -> Processor family |
| 19:33.17 | GNU\colossus | amd64 is "true 64" as much as any other 64bit cpu architecture. |
| 19:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | duser: Do you know which you have? |
| 19:33.54 | duser | i don't know, but i downloaded a 64 bit kernel and the "Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8" was chacked |
| 19:33.57 | duser | *checked |
| 19:34.10 | iluminator101 | Decoding error: No standard extension payload allowed in DRM |
| 19:34.18 | duser | i have an intel quad core q8300 |
| 19:34.18 | jhutchins_lt | duser: Probably a safe option then. |
| 19:34.52 | jhutchins_lt | duser: unchecking it might result in slightly cleaner code. |
| 19:35.00 | f8l | duser: I'd choose generic if you really can't see the Core 2 option… |
| 19:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | duser: There are pages of info on the implications of each of these options. |
| 19:35.42 | jhutchins_lt | duser: This is one of those things Gentoo allows you to tinker with for that one little nanosecond of extra speed. |
| 19:35.45 | duser | jhutchins_lt: yes, i guess so |
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| 19:38.25 | mmnicolas | I'm trying to setup two boxes in the same LAN to send emails to each other (exim4), local mailing already work out of the box but this.. I apparently can't figure out, I just want to mail someuser@somebox.local, I need an "Internet site" setup right ? |
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| 19:39.38 | duser | i'm readin several "Core 2/newer Xeon" |
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| 19:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | mmnicolas: You need some form of DNS so the sending mailer knows where to send the message; you need external delivery enabled in exim. |
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| 19:40.49 | f8l | duser: http://f8l.netne.net/conf |
| 19:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | mmnicolas: I think you can manually configure a remote address directly in exim without the DNS. |
| 19:41.07 | duser | f8l: let's try ;) |
| 19:41.09 | mmnicolas | yes, I got avahi doing the resolution |
| 19:41.12 | iluminator101 | Decoding error: No standard extension payload allowed in DRM |
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| 19:41.54 | bitHipy | where is outbound mail kept, as attempts are made to send? |
| 19:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Are you trying to ask a question? Just repeating an error message doesn't count. |
| 19:42.07 | f8l | duser: Just in case, keep the old kernel. If something goes wrong you can reconfigure the new one and compile again (it shouldn't take long). |
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| 19:42.24 | duser | f8l: sure ;) |
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| 19:43.44 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt, yea i am getting that error any suggestions |
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| 19:44.31 | ompaul | !ask |
| 19:44.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:44.52 | ompaul | iluminator101: that would illuminate the question with useful information ^^ |
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| 19:45.28 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: That does not constitute a question, it is a statement. |
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| 19:46.36 | iluminator101 | why am in getting this error Decoding error: No standard extension payload allowed in DRM |
| 19:46.36 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Closer! Using pianobar how to do what? |
| 19:47.54 | iluminator101 | to listen to music |
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| 19:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Still having to do lots of guessing here, but it sounds like the type of music file you're playing is not compatible with pianobar. |
| 19:48.49 | debclair | hi, I want to upgrade my squeeze to wheezy. Would apt-get dist-upgrade suffice? |
| 19:48.52 | Diopter | pianobar is a console player for Pandora |
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| 19:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: Useful information. |
| 19:49.21 | Diopter | It's not been updated fast enough in Debian packaging to maintain compatibility with Pandora's systems, in my experience |
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| 19:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps a version not compatible with the current Pandora interface? |
| 19:49.29 | duser | it is safe to de-select almost all entries in "partition types"? |
| 19:49.36 | Diopter | iluminator101: You're probably going to need to use it from the git repo |
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| 19:50.03 | iluminator101 | hmm....ahah best idea i heard all day |
| 19:50.15 | jhutchins_lt | duser: Is it your goal to have a fully custom-optimized kernel, or to get a driver/module working? |
| 19:50.22 | iluminator101 | Diopter, thanks |
| 19:50.42 | Diopter | iluminator101: Sure thing. |
| 19:50.53 | peterrooney | debclair: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:50.54 | wwd | folks, i have setup my mdadm array to use write-intent bitmapping, using mdadm --grow, i also added the bitmap= line pointing to the file in mdadm.conf however, upon reboot, proc mdstat no longer shows the bitmap like it did before i restarted the machine, any ideas. Thanks. |
| 19:50.56 | duser | jhutchins_lt: well, i'm here... :) |
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| 19:51.05 | duser | just optimize a few... |
| 19:51.28 | Diopter | duser: What exactly are you trying to "optimize"? |
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| 19:51.50 | Diopter | duser: Because all I can think when I see what you're trying to do is: http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 19:51.54 | duser | i'm removing all the entries i don't use for sure |
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| 19:52.47 | duser | f8l: what do you have selected in the "partition types" page? |
| 19:53.11 | f8l | duser: Where is it? |
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| 19:53.35 | duser | file systems -> partition types |
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| 19:53.46 | jhutchins_lt | duser: I would recommend that if you're trying to get a module to work, you focus on that and leave the standard selections as they are. Otherwise you're changing too many variables and don't know what you broke if it doesn't work. |
| 19:54.34 | duser | jhutchins_lt: yes, this a real truth! i' already experienced it! :) |
| 19:54.42 | duser | kernel panic as it rains! |
| 19:55.18 | f8l | duser: PC BIOS is most likely what you want. |
| 19:55.18 | duser | but you are too wise for me ;) |
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| 19:55.46 | duser | f8l: yes, i left it along with Windows Logical Disk Manager... you'll never know... |
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| 19:57.28 | f8l | I need to uncheck the Minix subpartition support. I don't have it on my disk for ages… |
| 19:58.05 | duser | f8l: it is really needed to run "make-kpkg clean" before and after "menuconfig"? |
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| 20:00.32 | f8l | duser: I don't know. I never run it and it works. This is probably needed when you want to recompile everything (which is usually not what you want) or want to reclaim some disk space. |
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| 20:01.14 | duser | i read many guides on the web and i found who suggest to run it before and who after... ??? |
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| 20:02.11 | f8l | duser: I think you should postpone running `make-kpkg clean` until you finished fiddling with the config and you are sure you're not going to recompile in near future. |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_lt | duser: 1) Make sure the guide addresses your version, and your kernel source. 2)As long as you're consistent, it shouldn't matter. 3) clean options usually assume a previous (attempt at a) build. |
| 20:02.16 | nitzs | Where can I download only the kernel documentation? |
| 20:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | clean is used to remove any target and temporary files from a previous build. |
| 20:03.00 | f8l | nitzs: There is a linux-doc package, but I'm not sure if it's what you want. |
| 20:03.01 | jhutchins_lt | nitzs: http://kernel.org |
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| 20:04.37 | duser | ok, it's compiling now... |
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| 20:05.51 | duser | can i take advantage of your kindness fro another issue? i need an apt-pinning expert! :) |
| 20:05.55 | duser | *for |
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| 20:08.38 | f8l | duser: Just ask your question. I'm not an expert, so may not be able to help you, but someone else may help. |
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| 20:10.50 | duser | f8l: you're too helpful! :) i got a thread on the forum, if someone would like to give it an eye...: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79799 |
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| 20:11.55 | duser | i read all the possible documentation but maybe i'm not getting the point... :( |
| 20:11.59 | karlpinc | nitzs: aptitude install linux-doc |
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| 20:13.08 | jackweb | Does anyone have a problem with ath9k (Atheros AR9285 in eMachines by Acer)? I do have - my wlan0 connection is unstable. From time to time it disconnects for a while. What to do? My kernel version is 3.2.0-2-686-pae. |
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| 20:13.23 | simpleman777 | hello all |
| 20:13.56 | jackweb | http://debian.linux.pl/archive/index.php/t-23187.html here you can find some results of commands (e.g ifconfig, iwconfig etc..) |
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| 20:14.02 | adaminsull | Hi |
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| 20:14.09 | duser | hi :) |
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| 20:14.45 | jackweb | Some time I am unable to connect (it says that I set wrong password)... |
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| 20:15.37 | adaminsull | why do i get this error http://pastebin.com/TD3xAM05 |
| 20:15.48 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: WHat kind of a wireless access point are you using? |
| 20:16.28 | aadr | is lpd popular stil |
| 20:16.34 | adaminsull | Any1 |
| 20:16.48 | aadr | how lpd relates to cups |
| 20:17.02 | jhutchins_lt | adaminsull: Does that file exist? Is the path correct? Is it a valid input file? |
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| 20:17.10 | adaminsull | hold on i dont think it is |
| 20:17.15 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: you mean a router? |
| 20:17.30 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: If that's what you use. |
| 20:17.41 | f8l | duser: Oh dear. I guess there were renames: chromium→chromium-bsu and chromium-browser→chromium. Maybe the two (a game and a browser) conflict… |
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| 20:18.31 | f8l | duser: My best guess would be that you have to pin the dependencies of the package you want from unstable or maybe you should try increasing the priority over 1000. |
| 20:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | aadr: lpd is a fairly simple printer daemon that requires some configuration. cups is a printing configuration and management system. |
| 20:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | cups can (does) emulate lpd. |
| 20:18.49 | duser | f8l: yes, maybe... but there's something i don't understand with /etc/apt/preferences in general |
| 20:18.59 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: DLink (router), when I use Windows, there's no problem with WiFi |
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| 20:19.25 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Linux wifi is pickier. Windows does sloppy better than Linux. |
| 20:19.28 | jackweb | I tried to change channel (iwconfig wlan0 channel 6) |
| 20:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Are you seeing driver errors in the ringbuffer? |
| 20:20.26 | forestbird | how do I use update-notifier/manager in XFCE? is it enough to have the update-notifier running? |
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| 20:20.47 | adaminsull | Done |
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| 20:21.00 | f8l | duser: Also using aptitude may give you better results. It tries to resolve conflicts in many ways so you can choose the one that suits you best. |
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| 20:21.56 | simpleman777 | need help with setting up tor hidden services? can anyone help me please? |
| 20:21.56 | forestbird | right, aptitude is indeed better. sometimes apt-get just does stuff automatically you would rather not do. aptitude always gives more details |
| 20:22.02 | f8l | duser: Also if you don't say what is it that you don't understand, you won't get help unless there is a prophet among us. ;-) |
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| 20:22.20 | duser | f8l: for example... if i just have "Package: *; Pin: release a=stable; Pin-Priority: 1001", i'm expecting apt to downgrade all my testing packages to stable, am i wrong? |
| 20:22.48 | duser | because the priority is above 1000 |
| 20:23.00 | forestbird | duser: apt doesn't downgrade AFAIK |
| 20:23.01 | duser | but it doesn't behave like this :( |
| 20:23.25 | nsadmin | be careful with that... downgrades are not supported |
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| 20:23.51 | duser | forestbird: have you read "man apt_preferences"? |
| 20:24.13 | duser | and, however, it is just an example of what i don't understand |
| 20:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an archive source for lenny backports? |
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| 20:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | !downgrade |
| 20:24.58 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 20:25.04 | nsadmin | not saying you can't try... but some packages might, for example, translate a config file to a new format,,, and that's only one way |
| 20:25.13 | duser | "man apt_preferences" says: "Never downgrade unless the priority of an available version exceeds 1000" |
| 20:25.20 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: if you mean ring buffer = dmesg, then my answer is: there are no errors |
| 20:25.41 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: What release and what kernel? |
| 20:26.13 | jackweb | uname -a |
| 20:26.17 | jackweb | Linux debian 3.2.0-2-686-pae #1 SMP Sun May 13 07:51:23 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:26.17 | jackweb | debian testing |
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| 20:26.18 | f8l | duser: Well. IIRC I had some problems with pinning too. I just gave it up and moved to sid. |
| 20:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Does it work properly in stable? |
| 20:27.14 | duser | i i read in the apt manual "Never downgrade unless the priority of an available version exceeds 1000" i expect that a prioriry above 1000 will cause a downgrade, why am i wrong? |
| 20:27.17 | duser | *if |
| 20:27.32 | duser | *priority |
| 20:27.37 | jhutchins_lt | !frankendebian |
| 20:27.37 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 20:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | duser: Really not a recommended practice. |
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| 20:28.27 | jhutchins_lt | duser: If you want stable, do a clean install. Use backports if desired. Don't mix releases. |
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| 20:28.37 | nsadmin | duser, just saying, it's the packaging (in the form of pre/post inst/rm scripts) that would upgrade you... it was -decided- early on that packages would -never- be programmed to downgrade (so if you try and it matters for a particular package, that would have the effect of breaking its config) |
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| 20:29.23 | jhutchins_lt | Once you have installed a newer version of a package, the only way to "downgrade" is to remove the package, then install the older version. |
| 20:29.29 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: I told him that days ago. |
| 20:29.30 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: I am not sure if I had Debian stable on this netbook |
| 20:29.35 | duser | i thought the a STABLE distro gives the user tools that works... if the manual tells me how to do somthing i think that it gonna work :) |
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| 20:30.03 | forestbird | it will just work for those packges that haven't changed the config I guess |
| 20:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | duser: The manual doesn't tell you how to downgrade, because that's not what pinning does. What pinning does is prevent an upgrade. |
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| 20:31.09 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: may wpa_supplicant cause problems? when I use ifdown & ifup [wlan0] when the network is broken, there is an error regarding wpa_supplicant |
| 20:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | duser: Pinning is mostly useful for devlopers working with unstable releases, so that they can prevent the upgrade of something they know isn't working. |
| 20:31.58 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: wpa_supplicant is responsible for authorization and would be the component that would report the failure. |
| 20:32.10 | duser | jhutchins_lt: i don't mean to teach you anything but it seems to me that the manual mention downgrades and how to achieve them, with priority above 1000, that's what i'm reading... |
| 20:32.15 | nsadmin | duser, in short, downgrading a package that has either generated data or config files could break that package. a -decision- was made early in debian's life: NO finger will be lifted to support downgrades. |
| 20:32.18 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: Often it's an incompatibility in the format of the key or simply in timing. |
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| 20:32.45 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: You're not using wicd are you? |
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| 20:33.17 | nsadmin | duser, yes, that's true. and, you have to take care of any surrounding data yourself |
| 20:33.35 | nsadmin | on a package-by-package basis |
| 20:34.03 | forestbird | nsadmin: is sid "supported"? |
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| 20:34.09 | duser | nsadmin: it's not a problem for me to deal manually with it, but apt isn't doing it at all! |
| 20:34.37 | duser | it does not care of a priority > 1000 at all! |
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| 20:35.00 | duser | anyway, let's leave apt pinning for the next tiem, i'm going to try my new kernel |
| 20:35.08 | duser | thanks very very very much to everyone, i hope to "read" you next time! ;) |
| 20:35.18 | forestbird | duser: file a bug and get on with life :) |
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| 20:36.21 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt: I use wicd |
| 20:37.21 | f8l | Hmm. I wonder if someone who had chromium (the game) installed and upgrades now will get chromium (the browser) instead. ;-P |
| 20:37.27 | Auriga | Hi, I've been using Debian 6 a while now, & anytime I have a VM open, the sound is increased much higher than before starting the VM, anyone else has this too? |
| 20:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | jackweb: You might want to try network-manager instead. It's been my observation that since the squeeze release it works more often for more poeple than wicd. |
| 20:38.14 | dvs | jackweb: not to mention that wicd has been discontinuted |
| 20:38.26 | dvs | jackweb: *discontinued |
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| 20:42.18 | jackweb | jhutchins_lt, dvs: I've removed wicd |
| 20:42.35 | jackweb | network manager is run |
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| 20:43.26 | jackweb | but still the network is being interrupted.. :( |
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| 20:48.25 | dvs | jackweb: How did you configure the network? |
| 20:48.46 | jackweb | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:49.11 | jackweb | in this way: |
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| 20:49.59 | dvs | jackweb: network-manager does not work if the interface is even mentioned in the /etc/network/interfaces file. |
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| 20:52.29 | NewCustomer | Where is the list of supported laser printers (all brands) in "Squeeze" release? |
| 20:53.01 | NewCustomer | in other words, where is the list of printers supported BY "squeeze" release. |
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| 20:53.46 | streuner | NewCustomer: try linuxprinting.org |
| 20:54.04 | NewCustomer | i searched the debian.org site, and . . . it gave me fluff |
| 20:54.27 | NewCustomer | streuner: i'm focused on Debian |
| 20:54.27 | _stefanos_ | guys, is nvidia legacy 173xx drivers ready or not yet? squeeze has them, sid too, but not wheezy. is there any problem with them and they still test them? |
| 20:54.32 | nsadmin | NewCustomer, anything that can do standard postscript should be supported |
| 20:54.56 | streuner | NewCustomer: it doesnt matter if its Debian or some other Distro, its Linux... - http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting |
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| 20:55.18 | jackweb | dvs: I am configuring now network manager with nm-connection-editor |
| 20:55.20 | NewCustomer | streuner: ok; thanks a bunch |
| 20:55.26 | nsadmin | NewCustomer, so you need two views, one zoomed into cups an one zoomed out to any linux |
| 20:55.56 | NewCustomer | nsadmin: yes, i'll be using CUPS |
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| 20:56.11 | aadr | in debian backports php curl is not working wants to uninstall apache on install what the hell? |
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| 20:56.21 | nsadmin | so, "support by cups" is of interest to you |
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| 20:56.32 | NewCustomer | I want to venture out of HewlettPackard printers . . . to cut down on price |
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| 20:56.49 | dvs | oh Brother. ;-) |
| 20:57.01 | Mekzholan | Hi, can someone please help me with a quick question? What should I add to my sources.list to get an backports.org packet for my sarge(!) box? |
| 20:57.08 | streuner | NewCustomer: if you using HP printers you are on the save site... |
| 20:57.44 | NewCustomer | dvs: Lexmark any good? Samsung? in terms of them working with Debian, that is. |
| 20:57.46 | dvs | jackweb: If you use KDE or Gnome, there's a GUI for that. |
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| 20:58.09 | dvs | NewCustomer: dunno. I use HP. |
| 20:58.25 | NewCustomer | streuner: i know . . . but the toner drums for HP cost a fortune |
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| 20:59.02 | NewCustomer | $265 for toner . . . roast me with a fork! |
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| 20:59.03 | ciaociao | !list |
| 20:59.03 | dpkg | ciaociao: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:59.21 | streuner | NewCustomer: even for Laser printers are ways to save money |
| 20:59.51 | streuner | NewCustomer: you really need a laser printer? |
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| 21:01.34 | dvs | NewCustomer: What model needs $265 for toner?!? (Unless it's a colour printer) |
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| 21:01.46 | NewCustomer | streuner: i think so. What criteria would you use to move out of inkjets to lasers? |
| 21:01.51 | streuner | in high end quality |
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| 21:02.02 | NewCustomer | dvs: prolly |
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| 21:02.38 | dvs | will stick with his lowly LaserJet 1300 |
| 21:02.55 | NewCustomer | dvs: cheaper ink? |
| 21:03.05 | Scott123 | i have a php file that was run by cron that was working fine from www-data on the server it was on |
| 21:03.13 | dvs | NewCustomer: About $90 the last time I checked |
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| 21:03.29 | iluminator101 | how do you change faad2 configuration? |
| 21:03.31 | Scott123 | after moving it to a new server, the cronjob is always returning "failed with exist status 2" |
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| 21:03.39 | streuner | !tell rjk about root |
| 21:03.43 | Scott123 | any clue as to why this is happening? |
| 21:03.49 | NewCustomer | dvs: yes. but a laser cartridge yields 8,000 pages, i think |
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| 21:05.48 | justin | Scott123: run it manually? |
| 21:05.52 | Scott123 | and i dont get any other errors |
| 21:05.59 | Scott123 | manual run on both www-data and root works fine |
| 21:06.00 | dvs | NewCustomer: Mine yield either 2500 or 4000 |
| 21:06.25 | Scott123 | but when in the crontab, it gives exist status 2 errors in the syslog |
| 21:06.36 | Scott123 | im baffled |
| 21:06.59 | Scott123 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608874 |
| 21:07.02 | Scott123 | thats fine |
| 21:07.06 | tsurko | hello |
| 21:07.10 | Scott123 | if my script runs |
| 21:07.22 | Scott123 | but script is suposed to log output to a file |
| 21:07.39 | Scott123 | and i dont get any output to the file when the error shows |
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| 21:07.51 | Scott123 | hard to troubleshoot :( |
| 21:08.01 | doublehp | Scott123: #bash |
| 21:08.27 | Scott123 | is it a bash problem? |
| 21:08.34 | doublehp | no, sorry |
| 21:08.49 | Scott123 | :( |
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| 21:09.20 | doublehp | Scott123: make it manual: redirect script output to file, if file is not empty, mail it |
| 21:09.28 | Scott123 | eh? |
| 21:09.34 | Scott123 | it is manual |
| 21:09.41 | Scott123 | script output is redirected |
| 21:09.59 | Scott123 | output file is empty or non-existant |
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| 21:10.06 | NewCustomer | after HP laser printers, which is the 2nd best supported printer brand in "Squeeze"? |
| 21:10.12 | NewCustomer | err, in Linux |
| 21:10.14 | Scott123 | theres nothing for me to go by other than the exist status 2 error |
| 21:10.20 | Scott123 | *exist status |
| 21:10.25 | Scott123 | *exit... |
| 21:10.28 | streuner | NewCustomer: i dont know really... |
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| 21:10.49 | streuner | NewCustomer: just sell and buy an HP |
| 21:10.52 | iluminator101 | where is the config file for faad2 located at? |
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| 21:11.31 | streuner | NewCustomer: bascially canon or lexmark arent |
| 21:11.38 | NewCustomer | streuner: hm ... OfficeDepot takes your old printer in trade, like a car, lol |
| 21:11.52 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:12.00 | tensorpudding | printers are cheap, ink isn't |
| 21:12.08 | streuner | they are |
| 21:12.15 | tsurko | guys, i've got a really strange problem |
| 21:12.23 | jhutchins_lt | Scott123: It would seem to be erroring before any output is generated. What if you don't redirect the output? |
| 21:12.24 | streuner | if you fill yourself the ink |
| 21:12.29 | NewCustomer | streuner: got it---Canon or Lexmark, negatory. good tip. |
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| 21:12.59 | tsurko | i open a doc in libreoffice, try to scroll and after a second or two - the screen freezes |
| 21:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | NewCustomer: I've always had good luck with Brothers. |
| 21:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libreoffice |
| 21:13.19 | tsurko | it always does this, only takes diferent time |
| 21:13.19 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.4.6-2; sid: 1:3.5.3-3; experimental: 1:3.5.4~rc1-1 |
| 21:13.29 | NewCustomer | jhutchins_lt: hmm . . . i had terrible experiences with an inkjet Bro. |
| 21:13.51 | streuner | NewCustomer: bascially Canon and Brother uses different methods to use ink... |
| 21:14.04 | tensorpudding | i much prefer laser printed pages |
| 21:14.06 | tsurko | i've done some research and people are suggesting to turn off hardwarea acceleration and anti aliasing in libre office (hell it uses this?) but no good |
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| 21:14.24 | tsurko | anybody got similar experience? |
| 21:14.29 | streuner | tensorpudding: if you need high quallity you need a laser, true |
| 21:14.37 | dvs | agrees |
| 21:14.48 | tensorpudding | you can buy small lasers for not too much nowadays |
| 21:15.06 | NewCustomer | Xerox laser printer? any war stories? |
| 21:15.10 | rootant | tsurko: what's your distro? |
| 21:15.16 | tsurko | debian testing |
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| 21:15.27 | tensorpudding | and if you use printing infrequently a toner cartridge lasts for a while |
| 21:15.27 | tsurko | wheezy |
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| 21:15.40 | rootant | report a bug then |
| 21:15.41 | Scott123 | jhutchins_lt: ill give that a try |
| 21:15.56 | Scott123 | Brother = Awesome |
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| 21:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | I've gone through three inkjets - every one had the head dry up and permanently clog 'cause I didn't print often enough. |
| 21:16.04 | rootant | and as a workaround you might want trying other loffice version |
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| 21:16.06 | Scott123 | they care about admins and it shows |
| 21:16.19 | tsurko | okay... actually... is the tool the only way to report a bug or I can write it in plain text online? |
| 21:16.24 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: exactly |
| 21:16.36 | rootant | tsurko: debian should have their own bugzilla or something |
| 21:16.38 | rootant | ,bug |
| 21:16.43 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: you didnt print many times then :-P |
| 21:16.47 | rootant | dpkg: bug |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 21:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | I always meant to schedule a weekly test print with cron, but then I ran out of ink and didn't bother. |
| 21:17.20 | tensorpudding | debian uses debbugs, which is very unlike bugzilla |
| 21:17.31 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: a laser should be the ideal printer for you then :-P |
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| 21:18.01 | rootant | ah yes, debian </3 mozilla |
| 21:18.06 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: i wonder why you need a printer at all :-) |
| 21:18.14 | NewCustomer | jhutchins_lt, streuner: good clue. thanks a bunch. |
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| 21:18.22 | jhutchins_lt | Making copies of the horses' health permits. |
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| 21:18.41 | tensorpudding | i thought debbugs was old |
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| 21:18.50 | tensorpudding | or at least, it felt like it by the way it worked |
| 21:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | Printing off insurance cards for the cars. |
| 21:19.09 | streuner | NewCustomer: the fact is, why and what for you need a printer, for good quality or to just fill some ink on the paper... |
| 21:19.22 | tensorpudding | they're actually about the same vintage, sez wikipedia |
| 21:19.27 | tensorpudding | first release in 1998 |
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| 21:20.09 | streuner | NewCustomer: if you have to print many papers with low costs, you need an inkjet |
| 21:20.31 | Scott123 | jhutchins_lt: now it runs without the exist status 2 error |
| 21:20.41 | Scott123 | jhutchins_lt: but it doesnt do anmything useful |
| 21:20.48 | Scott123 | nor does it output anything useful :P |
| 21:20.51 | streuner | NewCustomer: quality isnt an issue at all |
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| 21:30.34 | Scott123 | does redirecting to a log file cause it to return soemthing other then 0? |
| 21:30.41 | Scott123 | and thus cause cron to think the job failed? |
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| 21:32.33 | Scott123 | without the outpur redirection, i get no status error, but with the redirection i get error 2 |
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| 21:32.54 | Scott123 | and either situation the job does not complete |
| 21:32.58 | phogg | Scott123: redirecting from what? |
| 21:33.02 | Scott123 | and no other errors are returned |
| 21:33.06 | Scott123 | im running a cronjob |
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| 21:33.32 | Scott123 | cron needs to return better errors |
| 21:33.42 | phogg | cron doesn't really do much, it depends on what you run |
| 21:33.57 | Scott123 | phogg: then how come it runs fine as www-data or root |
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| 21:34.12 | phogg | Scott123: because those users have permission to do whatever it is you're doing |
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| 21:34.20 | Scott123 | but then as an entry in the corntab of those users, i get exit status 2 |
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| 21:34.46 | Scott123 | phogg: permissions dont change because its in the crontab |
| 21:34.48 | rue_shop | what version was lenny |
| 21:35.02 | Scott123 | ive run this job manually as both root and www-data with no issues |
| 21:35.25 | Scott123 | then put into the respective user's crontab, i get exit status 2 with output redirection |
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| 21:35.35 | phogg | Scott123: are you setting the environment correctly? |
| 21:35.36 | Scott123 | and no output or errors at all when not using output redireciton |
| 21:35.37 | rue_shop | is lenny stable? |
| 21:35.53 | Scott123 | the user's environment shouldnt be any different |
| 21:36.10 | Scott123 | phogg: and if thats a problem, then how come no error? |
| 21:36.15 | phogg | Scott123: not necessarily, if run from cron. What are you running exactly? |
| 21:36.20 | Scott123 | a php script |
| 21:36.25 | rue_shop | what is 6.0.5 is that testing or wheezy or stable? |
| 21:36.28 | Scott123 | worked fine on previous server |
| 21:36.38 | phogg | well, from the command line php will inherit the shell's environment, which cron won't set up for you |
| 21:36.46 | Scott123 | eh? |
| 21:36.50 | Scott123 | set up? |
| 21:37.01 | rue_shop | is lenny 5.0.3? |
| 21:37.01 | phogg | things like your PATH will probably be wrong |
| 21:37.05 | rue_shop | I think thats what I have |
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| 21:37.24 | Scott123 | phogg: wouldnt i get an error indicating so? |
| 21:37.30 | Scott123 | phogg: instead of nothing |
| 21:37.40 | rue_shop | is there a repository for lenny? |
| 21:37.44 | phogg | Scott123: it's really hard to say without knowing specifics. In 99% of cases "This works from the command line and fails from cron" is "Cron didn't set up the environment the same way" |
| 21:37.52 | sweb | how can i handle of error unlink file not found |
| 21:37.55 | Scott123 | well how do you debug that? |
| 21:37.56 | phogg | Scott123: it depends on what you're having it do |
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| 21:37.59 | sweb | find project/ -type f -print0 | sed 's/project\///g' | xargs -0 -I diralias unlink www/diralias |
| 21:38.11 | Scott123 | phogg: if i cant debug it, then theres no way to fix it |
| 21:38.19 | phogg | Scott123: who says you can't debug it? |
| 21:38.29 | Scott123 | theres no errors in any of the logs |
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| 21:38.47 | Scott123 | this should be throwing an error if it cannot run the php script |
| 21:39.00 | phogg | Scott123: add logging manually to the php script. Or did you do that? Try logging, as a test, to world-writable locations like /tmp |
| 21:39.18 | Scott123 | add logging manually? |
| 21:39.19 | phogg | Scott123: try altering your interactive environment to be like cron's env, then run the php script |
| 21:39.29 | Scott123 | alternig it to what |
| 21:39.31 | phogg | Scott123: add statements that print to a file |
| 21:39.40 | phogg | Scott123: to nothing, more or less. |
| 21:39.45 | Scott123 | there is no way to determine what shoudl be set because i cant get any output from it |
| 21:39.59 | phogg | yes there is... do whatever cron does |
| 21:40.04 | Scott123 | even if i wanted to output the cronjob to file, it wont |
| 21:40.17 | phogg | e.g. on my system cron sets a shell and a PATH, and nothing more |
| 21:40.24 | Scott123 | >> logfile.log causes the exit status 2 |
| 21:40.34 | phogg | Scott123: and where are you putting that? |
| 21:40.48 | Scott123 | at the end of the cronjob in the crontab |
| 21:41.04 | Scott123 | php should be outputting an error at least |
| 21:41.05 | phogg | Scott123: and you're using a *relative* path?! |
| 21:41.14 | Scott123 | phogg: thats an example of course |
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| 21:41.20 | Scott123 | pseudocode |
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| 21:41.46 | OldParr | how do icheck a mounted FS wih fsck ? |
| 21:42.03 | streuner | you dont fsck |
| 21:42.03 | phogg | well, do you expect the location you actually specify to be writable by the user the command will run as? Do you expect output from the command even if it fails as early as it can? |
| 21:42.16 | streuner | OldParr: never fsck a mounted FS |
| 21:42.17 | phogg | OldParr: do not fsck a mounted fs, you will cause corruption |
| 21:42.34 | OldParr | then , how? |
| 21:42.37 | Scott123 | phogg: of course its writable by the user |
| 21:42.40 | phogg | OldParr: umount it first |
| 21:42.51 | OldParr | i can not unmount / |
| 21:43.00 | streuner | OldParr: why? |
| 21:43.13 | streuner | OldParr: reboot |
| 21:43.15 | phogg | Scott123: I cannot assume anything. Now, what is the earliest point at which the script might fail in theory? |
| 21:43.31 | OldParr | umount / ---> it says : device is busy |
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| 21:43.49 | Scott123 | phogg: php path in the $PATH |
| 21:44.00 | phogg | Scott123: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 21:44.25 | Scott123 | ok is it customary for a php cronjob to do absiolutely nothing on the account of not being able to write to the output file? |
| 21:44.31 | Scott123 | seems to be working now |
| 21:44.42 | OldParr | streuner: do i have to program FS check at boot time ? |
| 21:44.45 | Scott123 | when i ran it as root, it created the output file as root |
| 21:44.54 | Scott123 | then as www-data couldnt write to it |
| 21:44.56 | phogg | Scott123: I have no idea. I know about cron, not php |
| 21:45.03 | streuner | OldParr: Debian does that do auto |
| 21:45.09 | Scott123 | im not talking php |
| 21:45.15 | phogg | Scott123: did root create the file as owned by root? |
| 21:45.20 | Scott123 | yep |
| 21:45.26 | phogg | Scott123: then why ask what's "customary" for a php cronjob to do? |
| 21:45.27 | Scott123 | thats the problem it seems |
| 21:45.39 | Scott123 | but, why would the entire job not succeed |
| 21:45.39 | phogg | Scott123: remember a while ago when I asked about permissions? |
| 21:45.57 | phogg | Scott123: because as soon as it tried to open stdout for writing it will fail, and it will do that immediately. |
| 21:45.59 | Scott123 | the output to the file should be an afterthough completly seperate from the execution of the php file |
| 21:46.09 | Scott123 | boo |
| 21:46.17 | phogg | Scott123: well that's not the way Unix works, sorry. |
| 21:46.21 | Scott123 | fail to output == fail to run job |
| 21:46.24 | Scott123 | :/ |
| 21:46.25 | OldParr | fsck -auto ? |
| 21:46.31 | Scott123 | lesson learned |
| 21:46.38 | Scott123 | thanks a bunch to all those who attempted |
| 21:46.39 | _Sam-- | hi does anyone have any examples how i would use inotify / inotifywait to pass the full path of a changed file to a script? i realize that is more #linux than #deebian, but never know... |
| 21:47.04 | streuner | OldParr: if there any issue with the FS, Debian runs fsck |
| 21:47.12 | karlpinc | _Sam--: incron |
| 21:47.38 | phogg | streuner: just as a point of academic interest, how do you manually schedule a "run fsck on next boot"? |
| 21:47.39 | _Sam-- | ahh...dangit. i read about incron. thought i could it without, but i think you're right. |
| 21:47.42 | OldParr | debianbut if i fsck -auto i will do it manually ? |
| 21:48.00 | OldParr | if i fsck -auto i will do it manually ? |
| 21:48.04 | phogg | OldParr: do you see an '-auto' in your fsck man page? |
| 21:48.10 | _Sam-- | karlpinc : thank you. |
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| 21:48.19 | OldParr | no |
| 21:48.24 | phogg | OldParr: then no |
| 21:48.47 | OldParr | is there any way to program it manually ? |
| 21:49.02 | phogg | OldParr: I honestly can't recall, but I asked just a moment ago. |
| 21:50.09 | phogg | I suppose for ext you could always tune it to think the last check was way too long ago |
| 21:50.13 | phogg | but it seems like a crude solution |
| 21:50.57 | karlpinc | phogg: touch /forcefsck ("man shutdown" perhaps?) |
| 21:51.12 | karlpinc | phogg: I think that's it. |
| 21:51.20 | phogg | karlpinc: ah, there it is. I knew I had seen it somewhere. |
| 21:51.38 | phogg | karlpinc: the answer is 'shutdown -F', apparently. |
| 21:52.04 | OldParr | i losted all my user configuration at a power cut, but debian does not starts fsck automatically, i want to program it manually |
| 21:52.17 | karlpinc | phogg: That's only if you want to reboot now(ish). But if you touch the file it'll fsck whenever you reboot. :-) |
| 21:52.18 | sweb | is any command for check file exist ? mycommand -process | isfile -xargs | another command ? |
| 21:52.21 | phogg | OldParr: how would fsck help? |
| 21:52.34 | phogg | sweb: you want test aka [ |
| 21:52.37 | karlpinc | sweb: man test (-e iirc) |
| 21:52.38 | OldParr | to repair |
| 21:52.41 | phogg | sweb: test -e /file |
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| 21:53.04 | phogg | OldParr: if it were going to be able to be recovered that way it would have happened automatically. |
| 21:53.21 | phogg | OldParr: what's your filesystem? |
| 21:53.31 | streuner | dpkg, start an FS war |
| 21:53.32 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 21:53.50 | OldParr | the fact is : filesystem has an error, no automatic fsck has been programmed |
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| 21:54.09 | phogg | OldParr: how do you know it has an error? |
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| 21:54.23 | streuner | OldParr: it doesnt work at all? |
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| 21:55.41 | phogg | sweb: at any rate, you don't pipe to test like that. A wrapper script that acts like your "isfile" example might be possible, but it would be better to run xargs test (probably) |
| 21:55.55 | OldParr | i losted my bookmarks, passwords, mi toolbars, my applications configuration, te is user is as new |
| 21:56.11 | OldParr | the user is "as it were new" |
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| 21:56.12 | phogg | OldParr: and what makes you think this was due to a filesystem error? |
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| 21:56.44 | OldParr | because someone here told me |
| 21:56.45 | streuner | OldParr: what does smartmon say about it? |
| 21:57.12 | OldParr | i am not a computer wizzard |
| 21:57.21 | OldParr | i am looking for help |
| 21:57.24 | streuner | that doesnt matter |
| 21:57.27 | JoeJulian | I'm trying to help out a debian user in #gluster but our usual debian guy is out today, so forgive me if my questions seem obvious or obtuse. If an upstart script has to wait for the network to be started, what's the string it needs to WAIT_FOR? |
| 21:57.32 | streuner | just answer our questions |
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| 21:57.38 | OldParr | i am not triying to demonstrate nothing |
| 21:57.46 | OldParr | i just want to solve |
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| 21:57.48 | streuner | OldParr: no, but we try our best |
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| 21:58.24 | streuner | OldParr: there is still the question, is the HD broken or the FS |
| 21:58.38 | phogg | or nothing at all... |
| 21:58.43 | OldParr | someone here told me that it was caused by the power cut |
| 21:58.49 | streuner | if any config is lost? |
| 21:58.53 | OldParr | HDD seems ok |
| 21:59.06 | streuner | power cuts are evil to some FS |
| 21:59.31 | OldParr | power cut is the main suspicious |
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| 21:59.57 | streuner | OldParr: there was a power cut in the past? |
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| 22:00.29 | OldParr | yes there were other power cuts before |
| 22:00.42 | OldParr | power cuts here are very often |
| 22:00.43 | streuner | hm, some FS have issues then |
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| 22:01.36 | phogg | How much time passed between making the configuration changes that you lost and the loss of power? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? |
| 22:02.00 | streuner | that doesnt matter in my experiences |
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| 22:02.06 | phogg | honestly it sounds more like "/home didn't mount properly" than anything |
| 22:02.07 | OldParr | 1 day betwenn power cuts |
| 22:02.32 | OldParr | power cuts are every 2 days |
| 22:02.44 | streuner | even its only a few seconds, the FS is broken |
| 22:02.50 | streuner | evil |
| 22:03.03 | phogg | if it's a few seconds it's broken, if it's a few hours it's ridiculously broken |
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| 22:03.09 | streuner | had this once a year... |
| 22:03.18 | phogg | to the point where I start looking for other explanations |
| 22:03.50 | OldParr | streuner: here power cuts are every 2 days |
| 22:04.18 | OldParr | what about home theory ? |
| 22:04.40 | OldParr | "/home didn't mount properly" sounds well |
| 22:04.49 | Scott123 | do cronjobs run asynchronously? |
| 22:05.05 | OldParr | i nver program a cronjob |
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| 22:05.53 | OldParr | how d i mount /home properly ? |
| 22:06.09 | phogg | OldParr: is /home a separate partition for you? If not this does not apply. |
| 22:06.23 | OldParr | home is not a separate partition |
| 22:06.25 | streuner | OldParr: the FS is damaged now... |
| 22:06.33 | OldParr | yes it is |
| 22:07.22 | streuner | OldParr: according to my experiences, JFS is the best choice in those cases, but you need something more then that |
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| 22:07.48 | OldParr | i do not see my tools on the desktops i losted the desklets there is nothing customized |
| 22:07.49 | Diopter | UPS > ?FS |
| 22:08.02 | OldParr | cjFS ? |
| 22:08.20 | OldParr | explain me how to JFS |
| 22:08.20 | streuner | you need UPS, for sure |
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| 22:08.48 | OldParr | UPS is not a expedited shipping company ? |
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| 22:08.57 | streuner | OldParr: just format your FS via JFS |
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| 22:09.25 | Diopter | OldParr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply |
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| 22:10.08 | OldParr | what is JFS ? |
| 22:10.14 | streuner | a FS |
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| 22:10.29 | OldParr | for mat is destructive |
| 22:10.41 | streuner | but in this szenario its not even helpful then |
| 22:10.49 | Diopter | OldParr: You did have a backup, right? |
| 22:10.57 | OldParr | yes i have it |
| 22:11.10 | xispirito | now i curious, i want to know the advantages of these JFS |
| 22:11.18 | xispirito | manpage says that is a IBM fs |
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| 22:11.53 | streuner | xispirito: JFS is better to deal with power outages in my experiences |
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| 22:12.03 | Diopter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS_(file_system)#Journal |
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| 22:12.24 | streuner | xispirito: but according to OldParr its insane |
| 22:12.32 | Diopter | JFS journals metadata only, which means the filesystem itself will remain consistent but you could lost data contents on power loss. |
| 22:12.46 | Scott123 | whats the best way to run 2 cronjobs consecutively |
| 22:12.48 | streuner | because no FS or no OS is able to deal which such kind of problems |
| 22:12.59 | Scott123 | && between doesnt seem to be working |
| 22:13.04 | rootant | OldParr: get an ups |
| 22:13.25 | xispirito | i lose power here, using ext4, ufs and ffs...i'm lucky, no data loss =D |
| 22:13.26 | Scott123 | OldParr: its worth any investment |
| 22:13.35 | at0m | Scott123: run the commands from single script |
| 22:13.42 | Scott123 | at0m: boo :P |
| 22:13.48 | streuner | xispirito: well, i used ext3 |
| 22:13.49 | OldParr | i will get it next year when the government gives me my 400$ |
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| 22:14.11 | Scott123 | OldParr: they are 30 bucks |
| 22:14.14 | OldParr | the government gives me 400$ at year |
| 22:14.17 | Scott123 | 50 for a good one |
| 22:14.21 | Scott123 | OldParr: why? |
| 22:14.24 | xispirito | streuner, ptrtty updated hah |
| 22:14.38 | OldParr | ask chavez why |
| 22:14.45 | streuner | xispirito: as i said before, JFS works for me pretty well |
| 22:15.06 | streuner | chavez? Are you living in .ve? :-) |
| 22:15.38 | OldParr | yes chavez says money corrupts ... |
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| 22:16.28 | streuner | a wise man |
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| 22:16.31 | OldParr | so i need to format? |
| 22:16.50 | aidalgol | I'm trying to get the special keys on my ThinkPad to work. I found this article, all those solutions seem less than ideal for Debian. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_special_keys_to_work |
| 22:17.14 | aidalgol | Is there a more Debian way to get the special keys working? |
| 22:17.30 | streuner | OldParr: no, you have to talk to Chavez in order to get rid of power outtages :-P |
| 22:17.55 | SmashingX | I think my server has been hacked, are there any suggestions of steps that I should take to see if the hacker is still connected to my server and how can I see how was my server hackeD? |
| 22:18.01 | at0m | aidalgol: i use xmodmap for that |
| 22:18.18 | Scott123 | SmashingX: turn it off |
| 22:18.21 | at0m | SmashingX: rkhunter checks for known rootkits.. |
| 22:18.22 | OldParr | yes .. he will repair it (some day) |
| 22:18.34 | aidalgol | at0m: Oh, so there's a special layout for ThinkPads? |
| 22:18.51 | xispirito | SmashingX, use a sniffer, an intrusion detection system like aide, scan your server from another machine and so on |
| 22:18.54 | xispirito | is funny =D |
| 22:19.25 | resixian | any opinions on bacula? I've got about 20 winxp/vista/7 machines and 1 debian box. I've been using rdiff-backup and its adequate but support is non-existent and I'd feel better using sth that is still maintained. |
| 22:19.28 | streuner | OldParr: we told you, 1) get an UPS and maybe format to JFS... |
| 22:19.29 | at0m | aidalgol: no, but you can make one using an ~/.xmodmap |
| 22:19.38 | aidalgol | ah, ok |
| 22:19.41 | aidalgol | I'll look into that. Thanks! |
| 22:20.34 | OldParr | struner: if i create a new user and erase the current will it fix the problem? |
| 22:20.47 | streuner | OldParr: no |
| 22:20.59 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.01 | streuner | OldParr: if the FS is broken, your are out of luck |
| 22:21.01 | sweb | i want to check link is exist then unlink it |
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| 22:21.51 | OldParr | why fsck does not runs at booting ? |
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| 22:22.06 | SmashingX | xispirito: how can I scan my server from another machine? |
| 22:22.10 | streuner | OldParr: it should |
| 22:22.29 | vlt | sweb: You want to use “-type l” and find’s built in remove command? |
| 22:22.34 | streuner | OldParr: but, why you are care at all? the configs are gone... |
| 22:22.58 | xispirito | SmashingX, use another host, one that are not hacked =D, then use nmap or something that do the scan |
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| 22:23.11 | streuner | OldParr: no fsck would help, if the FS is broken... |
| 22:23.13 | OldParr | i reconfigure the user but the configurations gets losts at every boot |
| 22:23.19 | streuner | sure |
| 22:23.24 | SmashingX | xispirito: can I use my machine? |
| 22:23.53 | xispirito | SmashingX, your machine is these hacked server? |
| 22:24.01 | SmashingX | no |
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| 22:24.12 | SmashingX | but you said use a machine that is not hacked |
| 22:24.12 | sweb | vlt: no problems is check for exist files ... find operation give me true result |
| 22:24.12 | xispirito | then yes |
| 22:24.34 | SmashingX | I'm running linux in my machine |
| 22:24.36 | phogg | sweb: why do you care if the files exist? |
| 22:24.41 | SmashingX | so probably that would help |
| 22:24.43 | phogg | sweb: aren't you just going to delete them? |
| 22:24.50 | OldParr | streuner: i reconfigure the user but the configurations gets losts at every boot |
| 22:25.20 | SmashingX | xispirito: is there any manual that you recommend to do that scan? I'm pretty new and I don't have an idea what's that the nmap |
| 22:25.45 | xispirito | SmashingX, check the nmap website, have nice tutorials there |
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| 22:26.01 | sweb | find project/ -type f -print0 | sed 's/project\///g' | xargs -0 -I diralias ???????? unlink www/diralias |
| 22:26.02 | sweb | i dont know fils in folders `projects` is exist in `www` folder or no ... i need force to delete them |
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| 22:26.15 | sweb | without give me any error |
| 22:26.16 | streuner | OldParr: sure, we told you our solutions about before |
| 22:26.34 | sweb | phogg, vlt : ^ |
| 22:26.41 | phogg | sweb: yes, I saw. |
| 22:26.42 | streuner | OldParr: other than talk to Chavez :-P |
| 22:26.45 | vlt | SmashingX: (http://nmap.org/movies.html) |
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| 22:26.53 | SmashingX | thanks |
| 22:27.07 | nimred | Hello. Using PAM which way to allow a list of specific users to run su without being prompted for a password? |
| 22:27.20 | phogg | sweb: is your path like /some/path/projects/file1 and you want to see if /some/path/www/file1 exists and, if it does, remove it? |
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| 22:28.02 | sweb | phogg: yeah |
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| 22:28.41 | OldParr | "to format" ... ! |
| 22:28.51 | phogg | sweb: find project/ -type f -exec bash -c 'echo rm -f "${1/project/www}"' -- {} \; |
| 22:29.04 | phogg | sweb: if this works as expected remove the echo and run it again |
| 22:29.38 | phogg | er, projects not project obviously. |
| 22:29.58 | streuner | OldParr: power outtages are the worst case for every FS |
| 22:30.02 | sweb | phogg: ty so much :D |
| 22:30.22 | lost1_ | so i have installed openldap and am using phpldapadmin but i am having trouble defining posix groups as it requires a GID number however the GID number seems to not automatically populate |
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| 22:30.57 | lost1_ | fairly certain its a schema problem |
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| 22:35.39 | sweb | phogg: problem still ... some files exist on project but not exist in www it's give me an error :( |
| 22:36.14 | phogg | sweb: what exactly do you want to have happen in that case? |
| 22:36.32 | at0m | remove dead links |
| 22:36.55 | sweb | i want to check if exist in www then remove file .... |
| 22:36.56 | sweb | unlink: cannot unlink `www/empty': No such file or directory |
| 22:37.48 | phogg | sweb: for each file in ./project/ that exists you want to check whether the file exists in ./www/, yes? if it does you want to remove it from which location? |
| 22:37.49 | sweb | phogg: ^ |
| 22:38.13 | sweb | www/removefile |
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| 22:38.54 | phogg | sweb: and is the directory structure such that project/ and www/ both have the same parent directory? |
| 22:39.12 | sweb | yeah |
| 22:40.21 | phogg | sweb: then the command I gave you will work and will not stop on error. |
| 22:40.39 | phogg | sweb: if it doesn't work then we are not communicating properly about what you want |
| 22:40.56 | sweb | phogg: i know it's work... but give me an error i dont want to see it |
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| 22:41.10 | phogg | sweb: you just want to hide error messages when it can't unlink? |
| 22:41.27 | phogg | sweb: redirect stderr of the rm command, then |
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| 22:42.50 | sweb | phogg: ok ty sm again :D |
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| 22:48.59 | SmashingX | What kind of logs do you recommend me to see to see if my site was hacked? |
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| 22:49.54 | jameshyde | How do you monitor an NFS folder for file creation? inotify could not be used as that does not support NFS. |
| 22:50.40 | streuner | SmashingX: if you didnt have an concept before, its just hard |
| 22:51.02 | SmashingX | what concept? |
| 22:51.02 | xispirito | i recommend aide |
| 22:51.19 | lost1_ | do you host your own site? |
| 22:51.23 | streuner | SmashingX: a plan |
| 22:51.29 | SmashingX | for cgi attacks |
| 22:51.31 | xispirito | aide log all filesystem activity, if someone change something, create or delete...aide log |
| 22:51.59 | SmashingX | but I can't install anything on the server |
| 22:52.06 | streuner | why |
| 22:52.07 | SmashingX | can I do it from another computer? |
| 22:52.14 | xispirito | you're not system admin? |
| 22:52.16 | SmashingX | I'm not allowed to do it |
| 22:52.18 | SmashingX | yes |
| 22:52.25 | SmashingX | any other idea? |
| 22:52.52 | streuner | why you are care then? |
| 22:53.05 | xispirito | if is not possible to log filesystem activity, have a possibility to track network activity |
| 22:53.09 | streuner | (only the admin should care about it) |
| 22:53.12 | xispirito | using a sniffer |
| 22:53.22 | lost1_ | lol |
| 22:53.25 | xispirito | =D |
| 22:53.41 | SmashingX | I want to see the logs |
| 22:53.47 | streuner | SmashingX: thats the job of the admin |
| 22:53.51 | SmashingX | but I don't know what kind of logs would be hepful to look at |
| 22:53.54 | lost1_ | ask the admin for the logs |
| 22:54.01 | SmashingX | what? |
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| 22:54.04 | streuner | true |
| 22:54.05 | SmashingX | I can look at the logs |
| 22:54.13 | SmashingX | but what logs should I look at? |
| 22:54.16 | lost1_ | all of them |
| 22:54.20 | SmashingX | all of them? |
| 22:54.26 | lost1_ | auth.log syslog messages |
| 22:54.33 | SmashingX | oh ok |
| 22:54.38 | lost1_ | access.log |
| 22:54.39 | SmashingX | where are they located? |
| 22:54.40 | lost1_ | error.log |
| 22:54.55 | streuner | /var/log/* |
| 22:55.03 | xispirito | SmashingX, if you not admin these server, let to the admin these job |
| 22:55.22 | lost1_ | there is no harm in viewing the logs xispirito |
| 22:55.30 | lost1_ | maybe the admin is lazy and doesn't look at the logs |
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| 22:56.03 | xispirito | yeah...but the SmashingX appears to don't know where or waht look |
| 22:56.04 | SmashingX | yes |
| 22:56.09 | xispirito | #what |
| 22:56.11 | SmashingX | and also I want to do that job myself |
| 22:56.16 | SmashingX | what's the problem of that? |
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| 22:56.23 | xispirito | no problem =D |
| 22:56.26 | streuner | SmashingX: you are not root :-P |
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| 22:56.30 | xispirito | lol |
| 22:56.30 | SmashingX | appears to know? |
| 22:56.36 | SmashingX | Im asking |
| 22:56.51 | streuner | SmashingX: well, you have no access to everything... |
| 22:56.52 | SmashingX | If I knew I wouldn't be asking |
| 22:57.01 | SmashingX | I have access to the logs |
| 22:57.05 | streuner | no |
| 22:57.10 | lost1_ | a better question is why do you think your site has been hacked? |
| 22:57.19 | streuner | not, if you only an user... |
| 22:57.36 | lost1_ | he could have access to the logs through some kind of cpanel |
| 22:57.43 | lost1_ | you don't know his situation and are assuming |
| 22:58.00 | xispirito | SmashingX, your only choice is fire a sniffer in promiscuous mode on your machine and filter the result to find a not common activities...or ask for logs |
| 22:58.03 | streuner | true, he could have access via sudo or such |
| 22:58.04 | SmashingX | lost1_: It's a long story and I don't want to write a book about it |
| 22:58.10 | SmashingX | I just want to look to the logs |
| 22:58.22 | streuner | SmashingX: just ask your admin |
| 22:58.46 | lost1_ | well /var/log/apache2/access.log |
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| 22:58.54 | lost1_ | we told you where to go |
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| 22:59.50 | xispirito | or use a local exploit, get root and steal logs =D : http://www.securityfocus.com/ |
| 22:59.53 | lost1_ | if you know of some suspect filename you could do cat /var/log/apache2/access.log | grep "blablablabadevilfilename" |
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| 23:00.11 | SmashingX | that's not what I want |
| 23:00.41 | streuner | SmashingX: well, admin is the only person who is able to tell you... |
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| 23:00.58 | SmashingX | the admin asked for help |
| 23:01.02 | SmashingX | so he doesn't know |
| 23:01.15 | xispirito | lol |
| 23:01.15 | peterrooney | SmashingX: what _DO_ you want? |
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| 23:01.25 | streuner | hehe, thats a different situation then... |
| 23:01.49 | SmashingX | and to know where to see if the site was hacked and what log to see |
| 23:02.19 | lost1_ | you should start by looking at /var/log/apache2/access.log |
| 23:02.42 | lost1_ | searching for files you suspect have been uploaded |
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| 23:03.04 | lost1_ | if someone is doing things to your server then the logs may be useless |
| 23:03.09 | lost1_ | since they could also modify the logs |
| 23:03.21 | xispirito | that's why i'm said to use aide, in the perfect world, aide already been installed on server, but... |
| 23:03.57 | lost1_ | true |
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| 23:05.08 | peterrooney | SmashingX: you might also want to look in /etc/apache2/ for changes to website's configurations. If there are additional web frameworks installed, check in their config directories as well. |
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| 23:06.55 | streuner | well, the tenor is usually here, if you unsure, just disable from i-net |
| 23:07.12 | streuner | and reinstall |
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| 23:07.23 | streuner | hard, but true |
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| 23:07.27 | peterrooney | SmashingX: absent root privileges, you might ask politely for tarballs of /var/log/ and of /etc/apache2/ |
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| 23:07.55 | SmashingX | how's that peterrooney? |
| 23:08.06 | SmashingX | you mean to the admin? |
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| 23:10.08 | SmashingX | AIDE (Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment) is a file and directory integrity checker. |
| 23:10.16 | SmashingX | that doesn't seem to do what I want? |
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| 23:12.11 | xispirito | SmashingX, these tool can reveal to admin all activities that happen in filesystem of server...if these server get hacked, and the guy log and create a file = bingo! you have your questions asked |
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| 23:14.27 | streuner | dpkg, xispirito++ |
| 23:14.35 | xispirito | =D |
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| 23:15.01 | streuner | in case, somebody could get an answer at all... |
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| 23:15.57 | streuner | but, usually s(he) doenst get an answer in such questions... |
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| 23:25.52 | mmnicolas | exit |
| 23:26.09 | dvs | !exit |
| 23:26.10 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 23:26.20 | streuner | dvs: hehe |
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| 23:27.41 | streuner | Harzilein: only in vi(m) :-P |
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| 23:28.06 | xispirito | the only one of these that really works is C-x C-c |
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| 23:28.26 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:53.02 | zleslie | I am confused by the debian manpage for apt_preferences. Should the files that go in /etc/apt/preferences.d end with ".pref" or not? |
| 23:55.11 | simonlnu | The files have either no or "pref" as filename extension and only contain alphanumeric, hyphen (-), underscore (_) and period (.) |
| 23:55.14 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.28 | simonlnu | zleslie: ^^^ -- i.e., optional extension |
| 23:55.29 | streuner | dpkg, tell zlesli about bobbitt |
| 23:55.51 | zleslie | The files have either no or "pref" < -- "no or" what? |
| 23:56.09 | zleslie | is that no pref or pref? |
| 23:56.14 | zleslie | Why mention it then |
| 23:56.29 | streuner | zleslie: if you running <bobbitt> you are out of luck... |
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| 23:57.52 | zleslie | I don't see the relevance |
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| 23:58.23 | streuner | well, pinning is in theory a genius idea, but i wouldnt work in Debian... |
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| 23:59.00 | zleslie | Its quite useful for preferring package from your own repo |
| 23:59.43 | peterrooney | streuner: the only time I used it was when xmms (version 1) was being deprecated. It worked just fine, then. |
| 23:59.49 | zleslie | I don't get what you are alluding to |
| 23:59.57 | simonlnu | zleslie: file extension |
