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| 00:00.12 | simonlnu | zleslie: "The files have either no or "pref" as filename extension" |
| 00:00.14 | streuner | well, pinning is PITA |
| 00:00.32 | zleslie | I am patching a puppet module to do this so I never have to know this again |
| 00:00.42 | simonlnu | pinning *is* useful. |
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| 00:01.24 | streuner | simonlnu is the one and only who is able to *downgrade* and use *pinnning* ...-( |
| 00:01.27 | zleslie | fwiw, I would be curios how many times the word "no" is immediately followed by "or" in the english language |
| 00:02.39 | streuner | zleslie: besides, that's always possible, but with a lot of headcaches |
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| 00:03.02 | zleslie | I just found the wording confusing |
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| 00:03.08 | zleslie | thanks |
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| 00:07.23 | hstefan | jsec: no it's not, see line 26 |
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| 00:10.42 | jsec | hstefan, my fault. i was looking at line 79 |
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| 00:11.12 | user11357 | I am trying to load firmware onto my USB stick. I have netboot.iso and firmware.tar.gz at my disposal. Could someone shed some light on this situation? I have tries using two separate sticks, and loading the firmware from the other one, but I could not figure out how to do that. I also tried loading the firmware onto the first stick, but the FS is read-only. :( |
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| 00:14.22 | dvs | user11357: unzip the contents of the firmware file to a directory called "fireware" on the USB stick. |
| 00:15.12 | user11357 | the ISO file system is read-only. I can't. I've tried chown and chmod, but they don't work |
| 00:16.02 | phogg | rebuild the ISO with the new files |
| 00:16.10 | dvs | user11357: Are you trying to install from the USB stick? |
| 00:16.22 | user11357 | yes. I will try that, phogg |
| 00:17.47 | user11357 | dvs: yes |
| 00:18.11 | hstefan | jsec: yeah, I thought that was the problem, heh |
| 00:18.38 | dvs | user11357: Hmmm... I can write to my USB install image after I wrote the iso to it. |
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| 00:19.16 | user11357 | i used 'sudo cat netboot.iso > /dev/sdc' |
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| 00:20.44 | dvs | user11357: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 00:22.26 | user11357 | dvs: thank you! at least it's only 200MB |
| 00:22.41 | dvs | np |
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| 00:31.56 | flock-_ | hello. any mailclient you adivse me? Also I would like to hide machine ip from the emails. |
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| 00:36.13 | afidegnum | hello, how do I delete all files in a current folder except the "curentdir" folder ? |
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| 00:36.57 | n-iCe | in order to install just the base system should I unplug the installation from internet or disable all the marks when it asks to what to install |
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| 00:37.37 | dvs | n-iCe: You don't have to unplug from the internet. Just unselect "Desktop Environment' |
| 00:37.42 | Blackshirt | Was grsecurity supported on debian kernel? |
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| 00:38.09 | factor | No one has fixed the make-kpkg bug in years. |
| 00:38.27 | afidegnum | sorry I didn't illustrated it properly, I have in the current folder, file1.txt, file2.ext folder1, folder1 "exceptionfolder" I want to delete all except teh "exeptionfolder" |
| 00:38.31 | nsadmin | the one and only bug? |
| 00:38.55 | factor | /usr/share/kernel-package/target/common.mk and image.mk refer to Documentation/lguest instead of Documentation/virtual/ |
| 00:39.24 | factor | I also touched a file lguest in the virtual folder. |
| 00:39.50 | factor | but lguest is no longer a directory in Documentation , its now virtual , but does not have lguest in that either. |
| 00:40.21 | factor | so I edited /usr/share/kernel-package/targetcommon.mk and image.mk to I think resolve it. compiling now |
| 00:40.25 | nsadmin | take a look at output of ls | grep -v exceptionfolder |
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| 00:40.42 | factor | But that bug has been in the kernel build for years I think |
| 00:40.48 | factor | someone needs to fix it |
| 00:41.53 | nsadmin | afidegnum, does that give a list of all files/folders you want to remove? |
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| 00:42.23 | afidegnum | ok, hold |
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| 00:43.14 | afidegnum | nsadmin: that command output I believe the contents of exception folder |
| 00:43.30 | n-iCe | dvs: thanks |
| 00:43.36 | dvs | np |
| 00:43.53 | nsadmin | hmm, not sure how that can be |
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| 00:44.24 | nsadmin | here;s the command again |
| 00:44.32 | nsadmin | ls | grep -v exceptionfolder |
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| 00:48.44 | factor | Nope still was looking for a makefile. lguest may no longer exist |
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| 00:48.54 | factor | but is in the config files. needs to be removed. |
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| 01:04.40 | k-man | where might i find documentation on how debian manages virtual hosts with apache? |
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| 01:06.01 | gnarface | k-man: did you try starting in /usr/share/doc/apache* |
| 01:06.02 | gnarface | ? |
| 01:06.14 | k-man | gnarface, just thought of that and checking it now :) |
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| 01:08.07 | gnarface | k-man: its really a pretty intuitive extension of how apache's official documentation says they are managed |
| 01:08.24 | k-man | specificaly i'm having with creating a virtualhost in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled i have created a wordpress-network entry there but i also want a different entry for a different site - when i add the extra entry, then i can no longer access the wordpress network |
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| 01:08.38 | k-man | my config files are here: |
| 01:08.41 | k-man | http://pastie.org/3943401 |
| 01:08.58 | k-man | well, the sites-enabled ones at any rate |
| 01:09.02 | gnarface | k-man: oh. that sounds like you're tripping up more on basic virtual host knowledge, not debian's sites-available/sites-enabled extensions. you do know how symlinks work right? |
| 01:09.40 | k-man | gnarface, yes, i understand symlinks, those files are both symlinks to the real files in sites-available |
| 01:10.17 | gnarface | k-man: that's all debian does differently. i'd check the actual apache documentation |
| 01:10.21 | k-man | yeah, i'm sure its my lack of understanding of the vhost stuff |
| 01:10.33 | k-man | i just thought i might get some clues from the debian doco |
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| 01:11.22 | gnarface | k-man: the stuff on apache's site is also in debian somewhere but... http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ this is probably what you want to start with |
| 01:11.33 | gnarface | (assuming you're on apache 2.2.x) |
| 01:11.39 | k-man | gnarface, i am :) |
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| 01:13.15 | k-man | maybe i am missing the NameVirtualHost option? |
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| 01:13.55 | gnarface | k-man: well if you have only one ip address, that would be a possible option... but your apache error logs would probably mention something (/var/log/apache2/error*) |
| 01:14.09 | n-iCe | will openbox install me sound? |
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| 01:15.26 | gnarface | k-man: check your /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and your other sites-enabled files for the NameVirtualHost option first... make sure they load in the right order too (commonly with a numbered filename prefix, 001, 002, 003, etc) |
| 01:15.41 | n-iCe | abrotman: around? you remember you told me two things in order to make openbox booteable? |
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| 01:15.53 | k-man | gnarface, yeah, i did do that using the numbers but still had the problem |
| 01:16.05 | k-man | i don't see the NameVirtualHost option anywhere |
| 01:16.25 | GG111 | Debian has so many DVD's in order to install, will just downloading the the first DVD be enough in order to install a system ? |
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| 01:18.40 | k-man | GG111, do a netinst |
| 01:19.09 | gnarface | k-man: if you don't have one, you need to assign specific ip addresses to each virtualhost. if you don't have multiple ip addresses, then you need one. |
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| 01:19.29 | k-man | gnarface, right - that's probably part of the issue, i'll fix that |
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| 01:20.18 | GG111 | k-man: I may have a situation that net-install will not be fine. |
| 01:21.28 | k-man | GG111, ah i see. afaik, you only need the first DVD to do a basic install, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 01:22.29 | GG111 | k-man: thanks, I'm downloading it now, and wil try on a VM |
| 01:23.05 | k-man | gnarface, actually, there is a NameVirtualHost option in ports.conf, it us set to NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 01:23.52 | k-man | gnarface, which seems correct afaict |
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| 01:27.04 | flock-_ | where do I change my default sendmail? |
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| 01:28.07 | k-man | flock-_, afaik, you just ininstall the one you don't want and install the one you do want |
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| 01:30.21 | g0dfrey | "/etc/init.d/networking stop"can't stop all the interfaces sometimes... |
| 01:30.29 | k-man | gnarface, if my document root is /var/www/iremember1948 should the directory command also be: <Directory /var/www/iremember1948> ....? |
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| 01:33.56 | grepper | k-man: re flock-_ quitting: often just 'asking' a question brings a sudden flash of insight :) |
| 01:34.28 | k-man | did flock-_ quit? |
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| 01:35.24 | gnarface | k-man: docroot can be whatever you want but i'd recommend not nesting them. note the default is probably /var/www |
| 01:35.26 | simonlnu | no |
| 01:35.49 | gnarface | k-man: as in; please look at the OTHER existing sites-enabled files to make sure they're not in conflict |
| 01:35.59 | grepper | nm, senior moment between several channels ... :P |
| 01:36.01 | gnarface | k-man: and also make sure they load in the right order (or just shut the ones off you don't need) |
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| 01:36.29 | hstefan | Hey, I'm getting 404 directory that is actually listed on my httpd.conf, no errors on errors.log. apache2.conf http://pastebin.com/xmNay0Ac and httpd.conf http://pastebin.com/RahJsBFd. Running debian, btw. |
| 01:36.42 | hstefan | on a directory* |
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| 01:49.20 | hstefan | Could not having a .htaccess file cause a 404? |
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| 01:50.47 | nkuttler | hstefan: no. removing it maybe |
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| 01:52.17 | nkuttler | hstefan: have a look at the default config in sites-available.. |
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| 02:02.09 | cipher__ | i installed realtek hd audio drivers, and now i am soundless :( |
| 02:02.56 | pokjn13579 | I installed the realtek-firmware package, but no wireless networks are shown. It says it is enabled, just no networks. |
| 02:03.16 | cipher__ | realtek is destroying our computers |
| 02:03.20 | cipher__ | D: |
| 02:03.33 | JoeHazzers | i don't even know what wireless card my netbook has :S |
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| 02:03.52 | cipher__ | just wanted an equalizer :( |
| 02:03.55 | JoeHazzers | but i've had a realtek wireless card before, the drivers worked fine |
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| 02:04.09 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: in what application/utility are no networks shown? |
| 02:04.31 | pokjn13579 | Just the standard utility in the top bar. I don't know what it is called. |
| 02:05.14 | JoeHazzers | hrm, surely the installer should have installed the drivers for you. are you sure you haven't got a hardware button disabling the wireless? |
| 02:05.36 | pokjn13579 | I have to turn it on every time I boot up. |
| 02:05.54 | pokjn13579 | I did not use a package manager, i just installed the .deb |
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| 02:06.24 | JoeHazzers | you probably should've installed it using apt(itude) |
| 02:06.36 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: did you take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi ? |
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| 02:07.41 | cipher__ | any ideas on how i could re-achieve sound? |
| 02:08.04 | pokjn13579 | so remove the package, add some sources, and install it from apt? |
| 02:08.12 | pokjn13579 | apt-get |
| 02:08.20 | pokjn13579 | oops, didn't mean to type that :) |
| 02:08.21 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: how do you mean "soundless"? do you mean no audio devices appear, no volume but you have a device? |
| 02:08.27 | cipher__ | yes |
| 02:08.34 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Did you reboot? |
| 02:08.36 | nsadmin | cipher__, part of that would be to determine how you achieved sound in the first place... |
| 02:08.40 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: well you could probably just do with getting the driver itself, you don't *have* to use a package manager |
| 02:08.42 | cipher__ | lol, ambiguous enough/ |
| 02:08.49 | JoeHazzers | karlpinc: he shouldn't have to do that if he uses modprobe |
| 02:08.53 | cipher__ | nsadmin, it worked by default |
| 02:08.58 | cipher__ | no 'audio devices' |
| 02:09.07 | pokjn13579 | yes, I rebooted |
| 02:09.32 | nsadmin | ok, the next thing to think about is what has happened around the time the sound stopped working |
| 02:09.33 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers: It wouldn't hurt if he's just installed the firmware, depending on the order in which things were installed. (OTOH, I don't know much about wireless.) |
| 02:09.34 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: i assume you're using alsa? |
| 02:09.37 | cipher__ | yes |
| 02:09.52 | JoeHazzers | dumb question, tried alsamixer? |
| 02:09.56 | cipher__ | yeah |
| 02:10.00 | cipher__ | 'no audio devices' |
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| 02:10.07 | JoeHazzers | hrm |
| 02:10.23 | nsadmin | that seems like a driver issue |
| 02:10.32 | cipher__ | it is, i tried installing a new one |
| 02:10.36 | cipher__ | and it didn't work so well |
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| 02:10.39 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: had a look at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting ? |
| 02:10.48 | nsadmin | oh, a new driver? |
| 02:10.57 | cipher__ | "realtek hd audio" or something |
| 02:11.16 | nsadmin | are you talking from the soundless meachine here? |
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| 02:11.22 | cipher__ | yes |
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| 02:11.48 | nsadmin | ok, could you try: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl (as root)? |
| 02:11.55 | cipher__ | sure |
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| 02:12.01 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
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| 02:12.25 | cipher__ | hopes that isn't a nefarious thanks :S |
| 02:12.37 | pokjn13579 | ok, reinstalled. rebooting, wish me luck :) |
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| 02:12.42 | nsadmin | after that, you can pipe things to nopaste and it will show a pastebin url |
| 02:12.43 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: oh come on, it's in the repos :P |
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| 02:13.59 | cipher__ | everyone knows perl is only utilized by the most veteran, jaded regex programmers. and those people frighten me |
| 02:14.04 | cipher__ | it finished installing |
| 02:14.46 | nsadmin | cool... could you: lspci -nn | grep -i audio | nopaste |
| 02:14.54 | nsadmin | and then show us the url |
| 02:15.24 | JoeHazzers | (i feel like this is a great time to mention how <sarcasm>awesome</sarcasm> realtek are) |
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| 02:15.42 | cipher__ | that is convenient: http://pastie.org/3947818 |
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| 02:16.06 | JoeHazzers | it looks like you have intel HD audio |
| 02:16.18 | nsadmin | isn't that cool :)_ |
| 02:16.24 | cipher__ | yeah? |
| 02:16.26 | pokjn13579 | didn't work. I might not have realtek |
| 02:16.27 | cipher__ | yay?* |
| 02:16.33 | pokjn13579 | ^lspciing to be sure |
| 02:16.41 | cipher__ | on my windows partition i use realtek |
| 02:16.46 | cipher__ | it has a handy mixer and such |
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| 02:17.02 | cipher__ | needs a handy mixer on linux |
| 02:17.47 | JoeHazzers | well i'm looking at the datasheet for IntelĀ® 6 Series Chipset/IntelĀ® C200 Series Chipset right now |
| 02:17.52 | JoeHazzers | it sayd Intel High Definition Audio |
| 02:17.54 | JoeHazzers | *says |
| 02:18.17 | cipher__ | it was working just fine before i tried to install realtek's contraption |
| 02:18.24 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:1c20] |
| 02:18.25 | judd | [8086:1c20] is '6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1c20 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:18.45 | pokjn13579 | should i post long lspci results? |
| 02:18.52 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: pastebin |
| 02:19.18 | pokjn13579 | ^ huh? |
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| 02:19.26 | nsadmin | pokjn13579, you can also aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 02:19.35 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: You can just give us the pciid. |
| 02:19.49 | nsadmin | it may want to install lots n lots of -perl pkgs, they're all very small |
| 02:19.55 | karlpinc | !tell pokjn13579 about paste |
| 02:20.21 | cipher__ | !tell karlpinc about commands |
| 02:20.23 | cipher__ | :( |
| 02:20.40 | cipher__ | your bot doesn't seem to work |
| 02:21.01 | nsadmin | !commands |
| 02:21.02 | dpkg | commands is, like, The Linux command reference may be found here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Command_Reference and here: http://justlinux.com/nhf/Shells/Basic_Console_Commands.html |
| 02:21.02 | pokjn13579 | http://pastebin.com/iNQhTvVi |
| 02:21.04 | karlpinc | cipher__: Sure it does. |
| 02:21.04 | pokjn13579 | lspcio |
| 02:21.23 | nsadmin | oh, I'm sure he knows plenty about that |
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| 02:22.02 | cipher__ | so should i just resign myself to a soundless life from this point forth? |
| 02:23.03 | nsadmin | cipher__, cat /proc/asound/cards | nopaste |
| 02:23.12 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Ah. You need to use "lspci -nn" to get the pciid. |
| 02:23.15 | nsadmin | there;s also that test script |
| 02:23.19 | karlpinc | !tell pokjn13579 about pciid |
| 02:23.31 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/3947844 |
| 02:23.39 | nsadmin | cool |
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| 02:23.59 | cipher__ | i'm like a living latency prone console. :) |
| 02:24.27 | nsadmin | ok, it thinks you have hardware... is there an error when you try alsamixer? |
| 02:24.35 | pokjn13579 | http://pastebin.com/Ea1LT8JK |
| 02:24.37 | pokjn13579 | pciid |
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| 02:24.49 | cipher__ | cipher@panodora:~$ sudo alsamixer |
| 02:24.49 | cipher__ | cannot open mixer: No such device |
| 02:24.59 | nsadmin | try without sudo |
| 02:25.01 | cipher__ | i did |
| 02:25.13 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 02:25.18 | karlpinc | ,pciid [10ec:8139] |
| 02:25.19 | judd | [10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139 |
| 02:25.19 | cipher__ | without sudo, i just get permission denied |
| 02:25.49 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Wireless, right? |
| 02:25.50 | cipher__ | do i need to select which driver to use? |
| 02:25.57 | pokjn13579 | wireless |
| 02:25.58 | pokjn13579 | yes |
| 02:26.10 | nsadmin | cipher__, groups (should be one line) |
| 02:26.19 | nsadmin | is audio among that? |
| 02:26.27 | cipher__ | cipher adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare bumblebee jupiter |
| 02:26.37 | nsadmin | so, no |
| 02:26.49 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: I don't know what I'm doing with wireless. The bot above says 8139too, 8139cp are the modules (dunno if you need both or just one.) |
| 02:26.55 | nsadmin | ok, as root: adduser (you) audio |
| 02:27.11 | nsadmin | then you would have to log out and log back in |
| 02:27.14 | cipher__ | ".... Done." |
| 02:27.17 | cipher__ | ok |
| 02:27.17 | cipher__ | brb |
| 02:27.18 | pokjn13579 | is there a package for all nonfree drivers? i'll install that and try |
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| 02:27.48 | cipher__ | bacj* |
| 02:28.01 | nsadmin | ok, groups show audio? |
| 02:28.04 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Does "lsmod | grep 8139" tell you anything about what drivers are installed? |
| 02:28.07 | cipher__ | yes |
| 02:28.10 | nsadmin | if so try alsamixer (as you) |
| 02:28.15 | justin | pokjn13579: install firmware-linux |
| 02:28.22 | cipher__ | cipher@panodora:~$ alsamixer |
| 02:28.22 | cipher__ | cannot open mixer: No such device |
| 02:28.40 | karlpinc | justin: Hey, good idea. |
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| 02:28.43 | nsadmin | ok, so we get the same situation as when you tried as root |
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| 02:29.00 | cipher__ | (brb, sorry) |
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| 02:29.50 | nsadmin | karlpinc, any thoughts on the sound issue cipher__ and I are working on? |
| 02:30.09 | pokjn13579 | ok, rebooting |
| 02:30.39 | cipher__ | could i try reinstalling all the alsa packages? |
| 02:32.07 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I've not been paying attention. It occured to me to ask whether cipher__'s running testing. If so the <bts> could be the place to look. Also, if he's enabled any non-debian repos. Beyond that I only know of the <alsa checklist> factoid, and that sometimes pulse audio gets in the way and it helps to do something to get rid of it. |
| 02:32.27 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: restart the udev service. humour me. |
| 02:32.38 | cipher__ | ok |
| 02:32.49 | nsadmin | karlpinc n JoeHazzers, good thoughts :) |
| 02:33.29 | cipher__ | okay |
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| 02:33.49 | cipher__ | JoeHazzers, no difference? |
| 02:33.50 | pokjn13579 | no success. Anything else I can try? |
| 02:34.03 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: load the relevant modules with modprobe |
| 02:34.26 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: i'd try reinstalling alsa and your drivers for your soundcard/audio |
| 02:34.32 | pokjn13579 | I have no idea what you just told me to do. =D |
| 02:34.37 | cipher__ | ok |
| 02:34.41 | nsadmin | cipher__, karlpinc was curious about your sources.list... could you cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
| 02:34.50 | cipher__ | ok |
| 02:35.29 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: It can help to run a newer kernel, sometimes, although I've no idea if it would matter in your case. Newer kernels can be gotten via <backports.debian.org>. |
| 02:35.35 | cipher__ | i don't think you'll appreciate my source list tbh |
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| 02:35.49 | nsadmin | hmm :) |
| 02:35.57 | nsadmin | the plot thickens :) |
| 02:36.11 | cipher__ | indeed |
| 02:36.13 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: First, let's see what modules are running. Does "lsmod | grep 8139" output anything? |
| 02:36.17 | nsadmin | msg it to me |
| 02:36.37 | cipher__ | i run two debian machines and a ubuntu machine; the debian machines never need any maintenance... |
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| 02:36.43 | amphorion | please show me "lsmod | grep snd" |
| 02:37.04 | nsadmin | cipher__ heh :) |
| 02:37.14 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/3947890 (don't stake me) |
| 02:37.15 | pokjn13579 | 8139too 14949 0 |
| 02:37.16 | pokjn13579 | 8139cp 13421 0 |
| 02:37.16 | pokjn13579 | mii 2714 2 8139too,8139cp |
| 02:37.25 | pokjn13579 | ^ that |
| 02:37.50 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: That looks good (And 3 lines is the paste limit, you know.) |
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| 02:38.12 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: that's for a *debian* machine? |
| 02:38.15 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: At this point it's probably good to ask how you know it's not working. (And this is the point where I start running into my ignorance.) |
| 02:38.21 | cipher__ | it is debiany |
| 02:38.29 | bazhang | ubuntu then |
| 02:38.36 | cipher__ | which is debiany |
| 02:38.41 | bazhang | nope |
| 02:38.42 | JoeHazzers | debian is debian |
| 02:38.45 | JoeHazzers | ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 02:38.46 | karlpinc | thinks cipher__ might benefit from footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 02:38.55 | pokjn13579 | there are no networks in the list. My wireless is working fine on the computer next to e |
| 02:39.15 | cipher__ | there is not a single more incompetent channel than #ubuntu |
| 02:39.26 | amphorion | cipher__: please show me "lsmod | grep snd" |
| 02:39.27 | bazhang | ... |
| 02:39.31 | cipher__ | infact, i have only ever resolved my issues for any distro here |
| 02:39.37 | tensorpudding | ... |
| 02:39.38 | pokjn13579 | cipher__: they wouldn't give me a scrap of information |
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| 02:39.46 | nsadmin | amphorion, have him | nopaste |
| 02:39.55 | cipher__ | i did |
| 02:40.06 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/3947902 |
| 02:40.30 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: There's various things that can cause "no networks in the list" (for some value of "the list"). Start by telling us what program you're using to come up with the list. That should help somebody help you, probably not me though. |
| 02:40.43 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: the reason i was amazingly surprised is because my sources look like *this* http://pastie.org/3947903 |
| 02:40.50 | JoeHazzers | karlpinc: i'm assuming NetworkManager |
| 02:40.53 | nsadmin | cipher__, and you've rebooted a buncha times too... yes? |
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| 02:41.06 | cipher__ | re, what? |
| 02:41.08 | cipher__ | oops |
| 02:41.10 | hotwings | how do you set high priority for a pid? assuming thats how to solve mplayer skipping whenever i stream video from my lan fileserver and compile something at the same time...?? |
| 02:41.20 | cipher__ | i'll brb |
| 02:41.21 | pokjn13579 | that's the thing. I don't know what program it is. I am coming from Ubuntu, so I am basically a clueless fool. |
| 02:41.30 | karlpinc | hotwings: nice |
| 02:41.50 | JoeHazzers | (fyi, he doesn't mean that's `nice`) |
| 02:42.09 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Probably gnome-network-manager, as JoeHazzers thinks. (You could probably use the ps command to see if it's running.) |
| 02:42.32 | pokjn13579 | bash and ps are running. |
| 02:42.32 | hotwings | was just about to ask that JoeHazzers :).. ok, will look into the "nice" command now. thanks karlpinc |
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| 02:42.44 | pokjn13579 | so i need to start it? |
| 02:42.45 | JoeHazzers | surely he'd be better off using the cli tool (can't remember the name of it for the life of me) to scan for APs |
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| 02:43.06 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Sorry, you need something like "ps ax". |
| 02:43.10 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: here's the thing... the debian installer (at least not in expert mode) should have done all this for you |
| 02:43.26 | sl_ | Hi all, does any one tried to build alsa-utils under scratchbox2 under debian? |
| 02:43.32 | pokjn13579 | it's running |
| 02:44.10 | peterrooney | hotwings: usually something like ` su -c " renice -10 $(pidof mplayer) " ' |
| 02:44.11 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: what's the output of `sudo iwlist scan` ? |
| 02:44.29 | pokjn13579 | i used the ncurses installer |
| 02:44.32 | JoeHazzers | (do not paste it here) |
| 02:44.47 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers, pokjn13579 : Yes, the installer should make it work, but there's something about if the wireless is managed in /etc/network/interfaces then it won't be managed by gnome-network-manager -- and other sorts of wireless-fu like that that I'm not really up on. (I imagine the wiki's wireless page says something useful, but that's a guess.) |
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| 02:45.17 | peterrooney | hotwings: renice is what you're looking for if it's already running; there is also the ionice package (kinda like juggling sticks of dynamite) |
| 02:45.26 | pokjn13579 | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 02:45.26 | JoeHazzers | karlpinc: tbh, the method of managing networks is a mess between wpa_supplicant and networkmanager. it sucks. |
| 02:45.42 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: sudo ifup wlan0 |
| 02:45.45 | JoeHazzers | then repeat |
| 02:45.47 | peterrooney | karlpinc: like network-manager honours the interfaces file. |
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| 02:46.13 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: It occurs to me that the <readme.debian> for gnome-network-manager might be useful here. (Although having someone who knows what they're doing help is even better. :-) |
| 02:46.36 | pokjn13579 | none of them support scanning still, and wlan0 is down |
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| 02:47.15 | karlpinc | peterrooney: Someday I'm going to have to enter the modern world and learn this stuff. |
| 02:47.45 | cipher__ | i have a different error from alsamixe rnow |
| 02:48.10 | cipher__ | cipher@panodora:~$ sudo alsamixer |
| 02:48.10 | cipher__ | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.34 | cipher__ | same error, when ran with my permissions |
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| 02:49.01 | pokjn13579 | this stinks, because debian works much faster than ubuntu on my netbook with more screen space |
| 02:49.10 | cipher__ | try fluxbox |
| 02:49.25 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: At this point, because I'm giving bad advice, I'm going to stop. But do remember that it will never hurt to try a newer kernel from backports if you run out of other options. (Or out of good advice.) |
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| 02:49.37 | amphorion | cipher__: i read the chat history... you had installed 3rd party drivers?? |
| 02:49.40 | nsadmin | cipher__, that's some really weird stuff :) |
| 02:49.54 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: You installed without network? |
| 02:50.22 | pokjn13579 | i installed with ethernet, i loaded the drivers onto the usb, but didn't use them |
| 02:51.02 | cipher__ | i tried to install realtek driverd |
| 02:51.05 | cipher__ | i tried to install realtek drivers* |
| 02:51.14 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: the odd thing is, i don't see a wireless controller in your lspci |
| 02:51.25 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: but you appear to have Intel HD Audio, which confuses me |
| 02:51.27 | nsadmin | cipher__, I know you like debian for its stability... would you consider putting debian in place of the ubuntu you now have? (and -yes- this is an extreme action, one which should be preceeded by backups of pretty much all storage on the machine) |
| 02:51.57 | pokjn13579 | neither do i no matter what distro i use |
| 02:52.08 | pokjn13579 | i have an archos 10 netbook |
| 02:52.17 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: I was just going to echo JoeHazzers. (Methinks it's time for a new kernel to see if it does a better job of hardware detection.) |
| 02:52.20 | cipher__ | nsadmin, i spent about 7 days non-stop getting linux working on this horrible multi graphics card system |
| 02:52.25 | amphorion | cipher__: try to reinstall the kernel...and reboot |
| 02:52.46 | cipher__ | it had no networking, mouse, and barely supported my keyboard when i first installed |
| 02:52.58 | cipher__ | and that was after going through 5 distros |
| 02:53.07 | amphorion | the modules are in the kernel package... they should overwirite the bad ones |
| 02:53.11 | cipher__ | http://oi46.tinypic.com/2m7uc6d.jpg <-- plus it is too pretty now D: |
| 02:53.50 | cipher__ | JoeHazzers, so, sudo apt-get remove alsa |
| 02:54.16 | cipher__ | also if you notice the transparent window, it has no hardware devices for audio |
| 02:54.37 | nsadmin | cipher__, all I said was consider :) |
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| 02:54.41 | amphorion | JoeHazzers: the driver is right... it works with realtek HD audio Cards... |
| 02:54.56 | JoeHazzers | shrugs |
| 02:55.07 | cipher__ | amphorion, i have no idea how to reinstall my kernel |
| 02:55.18 | pokjn13579 | trisquel, debian. the only ones I like left have no drivers. D= |
| 02:55.39 | amphorion | JoeHazzers: all HD audio Cards use snd-hda-intel |
| 02:55.50 | nsadmin | cipher__: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image* | nopaste |
| 02:56.13 | JoeHazzers | amphorion: didn't know that, i've only used asus soundcards for the recent past |
| 02:56.27 | karlpinc | cipher__: FIWI, I'm going to try to use xdmx and diskless thin clients (raspberrypi?) to get multiple heads. One of these days. |
| 02:57.02 | pokjn13579 | Ok here's what I'm going to do: insert the installation usb, unplug the ethernet cable, and see if it has wifi |
| 02:57.16 | JoeHazzers | it might, but it'll only have wep |
| 02:57.18 | pokjn13579 | of course, after shutting down |
| 02:57.42 | pokjn13579 | JoeHazzers, what... |
| 02:57.44 | cipher__ | nsadmin, this is the content of my /archives directory http://pastie.org/3947945 |
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| 02:57.55 | RupertPupkin | Hi. I have a question about security and dual booting. I am dual booting with Windows 7 and Linux. When I am on Linux, I have to enter the encryption passkey to access and mount the Windows partition. My question is: when the Win partition is mounted, can it access my Linux partition? |
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| 02:58.10 | JoeHazzers | RupertPupkin: urm, no? |
| 02:58.17 | JoeHazzers | partitions aren't sentient systems |
| 02:58.42 | cipher__ | windows can't read this file system anyway? |
| 02:58.45 | nsadmin | Really?! I just heard my partition moanin |
| 02:59.08 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: i'm not sure as to the reasons, but the debian installer (last time i checked) only has WEP support for wireless |
| 02:59.14 | karlpinc | RupertPupkin: OTOH, if you use something cross-platform (for encryption and for filesystem type) then you could see it no matter which O |
| 02:59.25 | karlpinc | S was running. But why? |
| 02:59.44 | pokjn13579 | it'll only see wep, huh? well that explains the issue. |
| 02:59.47 | cipher__ | feel free to teamspeak (vnc) to me |
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| 03:00.09 | cipher__ | err, i mean't teamviewer |
| 03:00.12 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: no, i'm talking about *just* the installer environment |
| 03:00.18 | pokjn13579 | oh ok |
| 03:00.29 | RupertPupkin | Well, I'm asking because I store a lot of music/video files on my Windows partition and mount it when Linux is running. I just don't want any backdoors in Windows to access what I'm doing on Linux. |
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| 03:00.56 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: so `lspci | grep -i wireless` shows nothing? |
| 03:01.00 | peterrooney | RupertPupkin: I have seen ext2/ext3 filesystem drivers for windows. |
| 03:01.05 | karlpinc | RupertPupkin: If it's encrypted, the right way, then no worries. |
| 03:01.35 | pokjn13579 | nothing. |
| 03:01.42 | RupertPupkin | karlpinc, What is the right way? I just encrypted it using the default encryption that was available in the Anaconda installer. |
| 03:01.57 | karlpinc | RupertPupkin: (Although in theory it's possible to get a virus in, say, the video firmware that will run no matter the OS. I think that's a strech to worry about.) |
| 03:01.58 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: what does `sudo iwconfig` show for wlan0? |
| 03:02.01 | amphorion | cipher__: paste.... cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep linux-image |
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| 03:02.40 | RupertPupkin | peterrooney, Does that mean Windows malware/backdoor can access what I'm doing on Linux? What does that mean? |
| 03:02.43 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/3947956 |
| 03:02.59 | pokjn13579 | http://pastebin.com/KSsnDt4q |
| 03:03.05 | karlpinc | RupertPupkin: I know luks is the right way, but I don't know what the Anaconda installer does. That's RedHat and this is Debian support. |
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| 03:03.26 | amphorion | cipher__: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-3.0.0-15-generic |
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| 03:03.36 | amphorion | and then reboot |
| 03:03.42 | cipher__ | thanks amphorion, will do |
| 03:04.08 | karlpinc | RupertPupkin: You either want #linux or #centos for support with anaconda. |
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| 03:04.31 | cipher__ | you could also join #anaconda |
| 03:04.36 | RupertPupkin | karlpinc, Right yeah, but I seem to be banned from #centos without even having visited it :\ |
| 03:04.43 | cipher__ | :O |
| 03:04.44 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: well at least we know the interface is there and (somewhat) working |
| 03:04.46 | RupertPupkin | karlpinc, But I think anaconda also uses LUKS .. |
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| 03:04.59 | cipher__ | reinstalling my kernel is scaring me |
| 03:05.17 | cipher__ | okay it's done... rebooting |
| 03:05.20 | RupertPupkin | karlpinc, thanks though :) |
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| 03:05.38 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: and sorry to ask this (again?), but the output of `sudo iwlist wlan0 scan` |
| 03:05.42 | karlpinc | RupertPupkin: You may have to register your nick to use #centos.... I'm not sure where to ask for help on that. |
| 03:06.16 | aidalgol | I think the network support channel is #freenode. |
| 03:06.27 | pokjn13579 | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 03:06.53 | nsadmin | pokjn13579, try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:06.57 | nsadmin | then iwlist scan |
| 03:06.58 | pokjn13579 | I'm about to just ignore this computer until elementary os luna comes out |
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| 03:07.18 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: the txpower leads me to believe the hardware switch is off |
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| 03:07.25 | pokjn13579 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 03:07.38 | JoeHazzers | oh i've seen that bad boy before |
| 03:07.40 | k-man | gnarface, i finaly solved it - i was making sure they were loading in the right order - only i got the order wrong |
| 03:07.47 | JoeHazzers | your interface is somehow misconfigured iirc |
| 03:07.54 | k-man | gnarface, ie, the default has to load first, not last |
| 03:08.04 | k-man | gnarface, thanks for your help though, i appreciate it |
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| 03:08.31 | pokjn13579 | so reinstall? |
| 03:08.34 | cipher__ | under my sound properties, when i view hardware, neither my mic nor speakers show up |
| 03:08.38 | RupertPupkin | forgot to thank JoeHazzers and peterrooney too. thanks guys |
| 03:08.58 | nsadmin | pokjn13579, maybe you need firmware |
| 03:08.58 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: first, check (for whatever reason) there's no passwords in /etc/network/interfaces, then `cat /etc/network/interfaces | nopaste` |
| 03:09.41 | gnarface | k-man: ah!, yea sorry i wasn't clear on that. i figured the fact its symlink is named 001-default by default would have made it obvious to anyone |
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| 03:10.15 | cipher__ | so apparently reinstalling my drivers didn't do the trick. non of my audio (mic or speakers) are showing up under hardware |
| 03:10.16 | cipher__ | btw |
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| 03:10.21 | cipher__ | err, kernel |
| 03:10.32 | pokjn13579 | http://pastebin.com/6pL9rwdg |
| 03:11.00 | amphorion | cipher__: no soundcards ??? |
| 03:11.24 | cipher__ | i guess not |
| 03:11.36 | cipher__ | well, it claims i have intel hd |
| 03:11.49 | cipher__ | somewhere |
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| 03:11.51 | gnarface | cipher__: that's the onboard one |
| 03:12.11 | amphorion | cat /proc/asound/cards | nopaste |
| 03:12.13 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: are you connected with that machine at the moment? |
| 03:12.18 | cipher__ | but not under my sound control panel |
| 03:12.31 | pokjn13579 | i'm on this maching thru ethernet |
| 03:13.07 | gnarface | cipher__: try using the -c option with alsamixer (check the man page) ... its probably just picking a different soundcard as the primary one |
| 03:13.26 | amphorion | cipher__: cat /proc/asound/cards | nopaste |
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| 03:13.44 | cipher__ | I don't have a /asound directory :S |
| 03:13.48 | cipher__ | i thought i did before |
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| 03:14.07 | cipher__ | didn't someone here have my cat info from /asound |
| 03:14.09 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: `sudo rfkill unblock all` |
| 03:14.10 | gnarface | cipher__: you're probably missing some alsa packages |
| 03:14.19 | amphorion | cipher__: lsmod | grep snd ? |
| 03:14.29 | cipher__ | gnarface, well it began after i tried to install realtek drivers |
| 03:14.39 | cipher__ | snd_page_alloc 18484 0 |
| 03:14.40 | pokjn13579 | rfkill isnt a command |
| 03:14.45 | amphorion | wow |
| 03:14.46 | rootant | it is |
| 03:15.00 | gnarface | cipher__: wrong driver |
| 03:15.01 | amphorion | cipher__: modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 03:15.01 | pokjn13579 | it isn't there |
| 03:15.08 | rootant | then install it |
| 03:15.10 | rootant | with apt |
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| 03:15.55 | pokjn13579 | ok, i feel like an idiot |
| 03:15.56 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/private/onvdjn1k0a5cg8faylzaq |
| 03:16.09 | rootant | pokjn13579: that's ok |
| 03:16.14 | rootant | no one will laugh at you |
| 03:16.18 | JoeHazzers | i remember the first time i tried linux |
| 03:16.24 | JoeHazzers | years and years and years ago |
| 03:16.25 | rootant | except some people |
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| 03:16.27 | gnarface | pokjn13579: that's the feeling of getting smarter |
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| 03:16.49 | amphorion | cipher__: thats hard.-.. |
| 03:16.54 | cipher__ | :( |
| 03:16.56 | cipher__ | :'(! |
| 03:17.01 | JoeHazzers | i remember running ubuntu 5.10, then moving through quite a few distros over the years |
| 03:17.14 | cipher__ | i first began with 7 |
| 03:17.33 | pokjn13579 | I started with ubuntu 11.04, and have been distro hopping for 6 months |
| 03:17.36 | JoeHazzers | does the maths |
| 03:17.47 | gnarface | well, trying to get alsa working with a snd_hda_intel card present is the leading cause of mistakenly doing open-heart surgery on a computer that is merely constipated |
| 03:17.52 | cipher__ | amphorion,, what do i do D: |
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| 03:17.58 | JoeHazzers | wow, i was 12 when i first met linux |
| 03:18.16 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: yours sounds like a *horrible* problem |
| 03:18.16 | amphorion | cipher__: i think... you should update your distro... |
| 03:18.19 | pokjn13579 | i am 13. ;) |
| 03:18.37 | JoeHazzers | but alas, it sounds *ubuntu* |
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| 03:19.03 | cipher__ | gnarface, any suggestions? |
| 03:19.11 | rootant | kids today have fast and stable internet access |
| 03:19.13 | gnarface | cipher__: paste the output of dpkg -l |grep alsa |
| 03:19.17 | rootant | can do stuff |
| 03:19.24 | aidalgol | rootant: Not out here, we don't. |
| 03:19.35 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/3948003 |
| 03:19.43 | rootant | i had a 56k dial up modem when i was 13 and win 98 se |
| 03:19.46 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: did you run the command? |
| 03:19.50 | rootant | aidalgol: where? |
| 03:19.54 | lost1_ | kids these days |
| 03:19.56 | aidalgol | rootant: Rural NZ. |
| 03:19.57 | lost1_ | got it so easy |
| 03:19.57 | pokjn13579 | yes. |
| 03:20.12 | rootant | aidalgol: .pl here |
| 03:20.13 | pokjn13579 | no return |
| 03:20.14 | lost1_ | back in my day we had to walk to school barefoot in the snow up hill both ways |
| 03:20.21 | amphorion | cipher__: one question.... why do you use kernel 3.0.0.15-generic?? in your dist should be 3.0.0.19-generic installed??? |
| 03:20.23 | cipher__ | lol |
| 03:20.33 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: then try `sudo ifup wlan0` |
| 03:20.34 | lost1_ | and now you can get a 50mbit connection at your home |
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| 03:20.41 | cipher__ | someone had me install 3.0.0.15 a minute ago |
| 03:20.45 | aidalgol | lost1_: Where on Earth were *you*? |
| 03:20.49 | lost1_ | haha |
| 03:20.54 | cipher__ | should i install 3.0.0.19-generic |
| 03:21.05 | pokjn13579 | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 03:21.05 | aidalgol | lost1_: Did you walk in cow pats to warm your feet? |
| 03:21.08 | anticw | aidalgol: where in NZ? |
| 03:21.16 | aidalgol | anticw: Canterbury |
| 03:21.19 | amphorion | cipher__: that kernel was the highest in your paste... *g* |
| 03:21.23 | amphorion | try it |
| 03:21.32 | anticw | oh, that's not so bad :-) |
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| 03:21.40 | JoeHazzers | Canterbury, NZ? pfft. Canterbury, UNITED KINGDOM |
| 03:21.43 | lost1_ | also if you are 13 its past your bed tiem |
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| 03:21.53 | anticw | unlike my fonts ... everything is shifted down one row for some reason |
| 03:21.57 | gnarface | cipher__: eh, i'd install alsa-oss and alsa-tools as well, but that's not your problem. your problem looks like you broke something trying to fix what you thought was a non-functional card when actually you just had more than one soundcard and just mistakenly expected it to magically pick the right one as #0 |
| 03:21.58 | cipher__ | so what is the command to install it? sorry, i don't want to mess up my kernel of all things |
| 03:22.08 | anticw | fuck whoever accidentally did that with a rusty pitchfork |
| 03:22.13 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: add the following lines to /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastie.org/3948010 |
| 03:22.32 | cipher__ | gnarface, i have no idea what the consequences of you just told me are |
| 03:22.43 | cipher__ | of what you* |
| 03:23.02 | amphorion | apt-get -f install linux-image-3.0.0-19-generic |
| 03:23.04 | JoeHazzers | oh NO NONONONONONONONONO |
| 03:23.06 | JoeHazzers | facepalms |
| 03:23.12 | anticw | this is why i fear doing apt-get update .... |
| 03:23.17 | JoeHazzers | i forgot to check network-console in the installer |
| 03:23.26 | gnarface | cipher__: since i can't tell or even fathom what it is you might have done... i don't either. but for starters its clear your soundcard drivers aren't loading for ANY cards so... i'm at a loss |
| 03:23.59 | anticw | oh, and chromium is completely fucked again .... |
| 03:24.07 | anticw | is anyone else on wheezy seeing rendering pain? |
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| 03:24.19 | cipher__ | can i try something other than alsa |
| 03:24.21 | amphorion | cipher__: apt-get -f install linux-image-3.0.0-19-generic |
| 03:24.29 | JoeHazzers | anticw: i saw some horrible glitches on the new tab page |
| 03:24.35 | gnarface | cipher__: its unlikely that will help. |
| 03:24.55 | cipher__ | okay running apt-get -f install linux-image-3.0.0-19-generic |
| 03:24.58 | anticw | this is an issue i had a few weeks back ... i reverted then and it went away, i thought maybe it was fixed again but i guess not |
| 03:25.07 | pokjn13579 | Maybe Fedora 17 will be good. I am going to leave in 10 minutes. |
| 03:25.19 | anticw | tbqh i've never had so many problems with testing as i have lately and it's maddenning |
| 03:25.43 | JoeHazzers | anticw: such as? |
| 03:26.27 | nsadmin | anticw, check the bts (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 03:26.34 | anticw | JoeHazzers: well, there is the chromium slowness / rendering issue ... but it's also firefux and other things ... when i open a window ... it sits there stalled for maybe 2s or more before rendering details |
| 03:26.46 | nkuttler | anticw: and apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges |
| 03:26.57 | cipher__ | (rebooting) |
| 03:27.08 | pokjn13579 | maybe I had a corrupt install image? |
| 03:27.09 | nsadmin | for any question that has the form "anyone else experiencing problem X with package Y" |
| 03:27.17 | k-man | gnarface, i think i deleted the original 001-default because i replaced it with the wordpress config |
| 03:27.27 | amphorion | anticw: that should be a driver problem of your Graphics card |
| 03:27.31 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: did you put those lines in the file, and save? |
| 03:27.31 | k-man | gnarface, so i lost that information :) anyway, got there in the end |
| 03:27.35 | pokjn13579 | yes |
| 03:27.38 | anticw | amphorion: no, it's 100% not |
| 03:27.50 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: then try `sudo ifup wlan0` again |
| 03:27.50 | anticw | because it's binary nv crap and i was careful to see it didnt change |
| 03:27.56 | amphorion | shure??? no software rendering?? |
| 03:28.03 | anticw | well, fairly sure |
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| 03:28.13 | anticw | i suspect fontconfig |
| 03:28.15 | anticw | again |
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| 03:28.30 | pokjn13579 | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9 |
| 03:28.30 | pokjn13579 | send_packet: Network is down |
| 03:28.38 | JoeHazzers | AHA |
| 03:28.40 | JoeHazzers | right |
| 03:28.43 | JoeHazzers | ctrl-c that |
| 03:28.47 | cipher__ | amphorion, I love you (in a disembodied sort of platonic ally way!!!!!) It work |
| 03:28.48 | cipher__ | s |
| 03:28.52 | cipher__ | ! :D |
| 03:28.52 | dpkg | :D!!! |
| 03:28.54 | cipher__ | !! |
| 03:29.26 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: remove those two lines i told you to add to /etc/network/interfaces, save it, run `sudo service network-manager restart` and then try to find wireless networks again from your GUI |
| 03:29.28 | cipher__ | "cipher__> screw off |
| 03:29.28 | cipher__ | <dpkg> Yeah? Well screw you too, you fuckwit." |
| 03:29.29 | cipher__ | :O |
| 03:29.41 | nsadmin | if you can "ifup wlan0", then network-manager will ignore wlan0 completely... if network-manager is using wlan0, then ifup wlan0 will say it has no idea about wlan0 |
| 03:29.50 | amphorion | anticw: show me please.... glxinfo | grep direct |
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| 03:30.04 | nsadmin | maybe grep -i direct |
| 03:30.06 | anticw | the other quirk now is that rendering is y+1 off in konsole .... so the lower part of fonts is being chopped off |
| 03:30.16 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: but network-manager is a mess, and i've just told him to remove all references to wlan0 in the interfaces file |
| 03:30.21 | anticw | for mixed 11 which i use heavily it means g's p's etc are hard to read |
| 03:30.22 | JoeHazzers | so hopefully it will be happy |
| 03:30.23 | cipher__ | dpkg is sort of a jerk |
| 03:30.24 | dpkg | cipher__: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:30.41 | pokjn13579 | nothing -_- |
| 03:30.41 | anticw | direct rendering: Yes GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access, |
| 03:30.47 | anticw | amphorion: ^ |
| 03:30.49 | cipher__ | thanks again |
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| 03:31.02 | nsadmin | JoeHazzers, in that case as well, ifup wlan0 should say it knows nothing about wlan0 |
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| 03:31.24 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: but i had him just put in the lines to test? |
| 03:31.29 | nsadmin | and you're right, it is messy |
| 03:31.33 | amphorion | cipher__: don't fall on your knes... its ok... *g* |
| 03:31.33 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers: He's got a kernel that's detecting the wireless? |
| 03:31.39 | pokjn13579 | would a clean reinstall help? |
| 03:31.42 | nsadmin | oh, you did? which lines? |
| 03:31.45 | JoeHazzers | karlpinc: well it seems he had rfkill blocking it |
| 03:31.57 | cipher__ | amphorion, so i should not deify you? |
| 03:32.04 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: auto wlan0 | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 03:32.08 | anticw | amphorion: sw rendering wouldn't be as slow as i see ... it's more like a huge delay before things happen |
| 03:32.12 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 03:32.30 | amphorion | cipher__: nooooooo.... |
| 03:32.41 | nsadmin | that plus the ssid and key should put you up (at least the ssid) |
| 03:32.43 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: i can now tell you that your wifi is working, the kernel knows about it, the interface works. now it just seems that network-manager isn't picking up on it |
| 03:33.01 | amphorion | anticw: rt kernel??? |
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| 03:33.03 | anticw | no |
| 03:33.10 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: Sounds like progress. |
| 03:33.11 | anticw | kernel didn't change |
| 03:33.14 | anticw | nv driver didn't change |
| 03:33.20 | anticw | fontconfig + much else did |
| 03:33.37 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers: Restart nm? |
| 03:33.42 | anticw | maybe it's not fontconfig ... but it seemed plausible last time |
| 03:33.47 | cipher__ | not sure if this is pushing it, but my original goal was to get a equalizer and such... |
| 03:34.00 | JoeHazzers | karlpinc: just tried it, but i'm not sure as to the procedure |
| 03:34.23 | amphorion | mhh... thats a hard issue when it runs on binary driver... |
| 03:34.31 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers: Well, logging out and back in would do it.... |
| 03:34.42 | JoeHazzers | i thought nm ran as a service :S |
| 03:34.54 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers: (or then again maybe not. Gnome is voodoo.) |
| 03:34.55 | nsadmin | JoeHazzers, as you may know network-manager (and most of its like) should pick up on wlan0 if you comment out those lines in interfaces... Might I suggest putting the ssid and key in the interfaces file as a test? if he wants network-manager, comment out the whole stanza after you determine things are working |
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| 03:35.18 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin, karlpinc: bit late now :3 |
| 03:35.25 | amphorion | cipher__: equalizer is a software thing... i thinl |
| 03:35.31 | cipher__ | yeah |
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| 03:35.45 | pokjn13579 | logout didn't help |
| 03:35.54 | nsadmin | and if you do have an eq in hardware, that sounds expensive :) |
| 03:36.08 | amphorion | equalizer for sound in general?? or only for music? |
| 03:36.13 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: People here told me logging out was a stupid idea. :-P |
| 03:36.15 | cipher__ | I just want to be able to adjust my treble and bass |
| 03:36.17 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: you're best off rebooting, to rule out gnome quirkiness |
| 03:36.28 | JoeHazzers | i don't really enjoy dealing with gnome |
| 03:36.43 | nsadmin | karlpinc, well for one thing someone earlier wasn't in the audio group yet |
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| 03:37.03 | JoeHazzers | if this fails i'll just push him to the networkmanager wiki page |
| 03:37.07 | Leave_This_Place | oh WOW. debian stable uses chrome 6, firefox 3.x etc |
| 03:37.07 | nsadmin | so I had him add his user to that, and logout/in |
| 03:37.21 | karlpinc | !tell Leave_This_Place about stable |
| 03:37.29 | karlpinc | !tell Leave_This_Place about overview |
| 03:37.44 | karlpinc | !tell Leave_This_Place about sns |
| 03:37.45 | JoeHazzers | oh isn't Leave_This_Place that #reddit troll? |
| 03:38.07 | palermo | trolls are people too |
| 03:38.12 | Leave_This_Place | doesn't mean I'm not a person JoeHazzers :( |
| 03:38.18 | Leave_This_Place | thank you palermo |
| 03:38.22 | palermo | yw |
| 03:38.29 | hotwings | i started mplayer2 with `nice -n -10 mplayer2 <args>` but when i do `chrt $(pidof mplayer2)` it says: pid 7450's current scheduling policy: SCHED_OTHER, pid 7450's current scheduling priority: 0 |
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| 03:38.32 | nsadmin | palermo, except when they're bots :P |
| 03:38.33 | pokjn13579 | nope |
| 03:38.40 | cipher__ | trolls are just expressing their pain outwardly over a medium where they can't be hurt any more |
| 03:38.42 | hotwings | is my nice line wrong somehow? |
| 03:38.44 | gnarface | cipher__: some cards have native treble/bass support ... its rare these days though. rare since the late 90's really |
| 03:38.53 | anticw | amphorion: http://stupidest.org/deb/font-rendering-hosed.png shows the font rendering being 'off by 1' as it were |
| 03:39.07 | gnarface | cipher__: some of the more complex media players do have built-in software eq though that is usable (usually) - vlc and audacious come to mind |
| 03:39.11 | amphorion | cipher__: mhh... i don't know any software equalizer... the only thing i use is the equalizer in audacious |
| 03:39.19 | cipher__ | gnarface, well on windows it runs realtek, and has treble/bass and such |
| 03:39.47 | pokjn13579 | sudo rm /etc |
| 03:39.51 | pokjn13579 | goodnight |
| 03:39.51 | cipher__ | generally those are still limited to the upper band of whatever the 'global' settings are though |
| 03:39.54 | gnarface | cipher__: if your windows eq has *ANY* bars not present in alsamixer, then that's a software-only feature of the windows driver package. in linux we do that at the application level typically |
| 03:40.09 | amphorion | cipher__: or i can set the treble and bass on my Speaker System... |
| 03:40.39 | gnarface | cipher__: and fyi windows driver installs are *notorious* for tacking on software features and claiming they're hardware features |
| 03:41.08 | gnarface | cipher__: especially in the realm of cheap soundcards and usb webcams |
| 03:41.20 | JoeHazzers | one thing i have noticed about the debian community is that it takes a very propoganda-esque approach to making everyone who's not OSS sound very evil |
| 03:41.24 | JoeHazzers | and it's a bit childish imo |
| 03:42.02 | amphorion | cipher__: you can archive such thing with jack and tools... but thats tooo much... i think |
| 03:42.07 | anticw | decides to go back to http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120507T033334Z/ ... again |
| 03:42.08 | gnarface | cipher__: for whatever its worth though the equalizers in vlc and audacous are way more than just 2-band, and i'd be willing to bet superior |
| 03:42.11 | cipher__ | well i bought a new pair of sennheiser earphones, and it is a little underwhelming without an amp (so i need to exaggerate it, on windows it worked with the eq) |
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| 03:42.41 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: no amount of software can fix that. you need an amp |
| 03:42.51 | cipher__ | well it compensated pretty well |
| 03:42.59 | anticw | anyone know how to suppress this: E: Release file for http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120507T033334Z/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 8d 1h 20min 27s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 03:43.01 | pokjn13579 | Ok, I am going to do a clean install without internet and then add drivers. Sound good? |
| 03:43.20 | JoeHazzers | the installer should have detected and installed your drivers, which it did |
| 03:43.22 | JoeHazzers | your wifi is there |
| 03:43.26 | JoeHazzers | your drivers are there |
| 03:43.29 | amphorion | cipher__: on windows a software "amp" is in use tu push the volume |
| 03:43.30 | JoeHazzers | we can bring the interface up |
| 03:43.58 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: I'd spend another few minutes with JoeHazzers and nsadmin. They seem to know what to do at this point. |
| 03:44.05 | cipher__ | amphorion, i was 'boosting' the lower range or what not, so the bass would be a bit more forcefull |
| 03:44.07 | cipher__ | forceful* |
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| 03:44.32 | cipher__ | by default it is just flat across the board, so to speak |
| 03:44.32 | pokjn13579 | Ok... so what should I do next then? xD |
| 03:44.41 | karlpinc | pokjn13579: (They may want to avoid network manager for the moment and make sure everything else is working before going back and gettting nm to work.) |
| 03:44.55 | nsadmin | pokjn13579, what were the last few things you did? |
| 03:45.01 | nsadmin | maybe the last 2 |
| 03:45.20 | amphorion | cipher__: don't hate me.... but next time buy better headphones... *g* my headset from sennheiser blows my ears away.... |
| 03:45.34 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: we got the interface working (after using rfkill to unblock all), it was asking for a dhcp lease on wlan0 with `ifup wlan0` but i didn't verify the tx-power |
| 03:45.35 | nsadmin | one thing I'd like to do is set up a simole connection that involves your wireless net to make sure it works |
| 03:45.40 | cipher__ | i cant really spend more than 300 USD on headphoens |
| 03:46.05 | nsadmin | JoeHazzers, can it iwlist scan? |
| 03:46.19 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: you know what... i didn't actually check :3 |
| 03:46.24 | JoeHazzers | but we made a lot of progress |
| 03:46.33 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 03:46.43 | cipher__ | amphorion, "g"? |
| 03:46.59 | amphorion | cipher__: my headset was much cheaper... in germany... and it sounds great.. |
| 03:47.00 | nsadmin | I'd just like to see and clear away the remainder of what's in the wayu |
| 03:47.08 | pokjn13579 | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 03:47.13 | pokjn13579 | ^ iwlist scan |
| 03:47.30 | nsadmin | pokjn13579, ok, as root, try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 03:47.44 | nsadmin | then try iwlist scan after that (as user) |
| 03:47.48 | gnarface | cipher__: dude the eq's in vlc and audacious are good! just try them |
| 03:47.49 | cipher__ | amphorion, it sounds nice as well (i think?), it's just the bass is a bit weak (i.e. it doesn't rattle off my head) |
| 03:47.51 | pokjn13579 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 03:47.53 | cipher__ | ok |
| 03:47.54 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: that's because network-manager is controlling it and the interface isn't defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:48.20 | gnarface | cipher__: its a minor annoyance that its specific to individual players, sure... but those are the players you're gonna use most the time anyway |
| 03:48.28 | gnarface | cipher__: any good player will have some sort of built-in software eq |
| 03:48.30 | nsadmin | pokjn13579, when you do which? |
| 03:48.43 | cipher__ | well, i use youtube too much (yes it's not exactly lossless, but i am no audiophile) |
| 03:48.53 | amphorion | cipher__: i think you have to look at the specs... or try it bevor buying... if it fits to your needs... |
| 03:48.57 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: (hint, tell him to `rfkill ublock all` |
| 03:49.05 | gnarface | cipher__: if you want to really start messing with a system-level software eq (for youtube, etc) then yea, you probably have to go into some heavy jack research... |
| 03:49.13 | nsadmin | really? I thought that was done... |
| 03:49.16 | JoeHazzers | *unblock |
| 03:49.16 | gnarface | dpkg tell cipher__ about jack? |
| 03:49.19 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: but he rebooted |
| 03:49.21 | pokjn13579 | done |
| 03:49.25 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 03:49.26 | cipher__ | is confused |
| 03:49.29 | cipher__ | oh |
| 03:49.35 | nsadmin | meetoo, but that's normal |
| 03:49.36 | gnarface | cipher__: i think i meant the last one |
| 03:49.48 | cipher__ | lol |
| 03:49.51 | cipher__ | jackaudio |
| 03:49.59 | gnarface | cipher__: i haven't really messed with jackd much. |
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| 03:50.20 | nsadmin | I have, it's very cool |
| 03:50.50 | amphorion | cipher__: when you want more Bass.... then you should buy Beats Audio Headsets... |
| 03:50.51 | JoeHazzers | nsadmin: what i think he needs to do is unblock it with rfkill, define the interface, bring it up with ifconfig, then try scanning |
| 03:51.05 | cipher__ | ewh |
| 03:51.12 | nsadmin | when a nickname is all consonants, it's necessary to improvise ways of pronouncing it! |
| 03:51.24 | gnarface | amphorion: he wants more than just more base response... he wants to scoop his youtube audio |
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| 03:52.02 | nsadmin | youskoop? |
| 03:52.32 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: `sudo rfkill list | nopaste` |
| 03:52.40 | amphorion | gnarface: have totem an equalizer??? |
| 03:52.42 | r3m | how to know if my debian system is compromised please? is chkrootkit enough? |
| 03:53.01 | pokjn13579 | 0: phy0: Wireless LAN |
| 03:53.02 | pokjn13579 | Soft blocked: no |
| 03:53.02 | pokjn13579 | Hard blocked: no |
| 03:53.13 | JoeHazzers | odd |
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| 03:53.33 | gnarface | amphorion: dunno, i've never used it. i stick mostly to vlc, mplayer and audacious, occasionally xine in desperation |
| 03:53.40 | SomeoneWeird | r3m, check logs too |
| 03:53.58 | hotwings | has anyone here successfully made debian send its hostname to their router so it shows up in the 'connected devices' list? if so, how did you do it? |
| 03:54.07 | nsadmin | r3m, do you have reason to believe it could have been? |
| 03:54.11 | cipher__ | well i'm installing jack |
| 03:54.14 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: `sudo iwconfig | nopaste` |
| 03:54.17 | nsadmin | do you have fail2ban installed |
| 03:54.17 | gnarface | amphorion: *i* don't need to scoop my youtube video because i have an amp and a subwoofer |
| 03:54.22 | r3m | nsadmin: i go on Anonymous web site |
| 03:54.23 | krababbel | hotwings: tried WINS? |
| 03:54.35 | amphorion | r3m: chkrootkit and rkhunter should do the job... but if your machine is compromised..... don't use a dynamical linked version of it |
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| 03:54.52 | pokjn13579 | wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any |
| 03:54.53 | pokjn13579 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.53 | pokjn13579 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.53 | pokjn13579 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.53 | pokjn13579 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.00 | hotwings | krababbel - isnt wins a windows thing? |
| 03:55.16 | karlpinc | hotwings: There's a config in "man dhclient.conf". I forget what it is. |
| 03:55.26 | krababbel | hotwings: I believe that's what is used usually on consumer routers |
| 03:55.27 | amphorion | gnarface: me too... *g* but i think there is a yt plugin for totem... that can "fix it"... |
| 03:55.30 | JoeHazzers | no comment. |
| 03:55.53 | nsadmin | wins is a name server that talks some kind of m$ protocol |
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| 03:56.14 | pokjn13579 | ... |
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| 03:56.36 | hotwings | karlpinc - i did read about dhclient.conf. its a part of the isc-dhcp-client package.. i installed isc-dhcp-client and modified dhclient.conf accordingly but my router still didnt see the hostname |
| 03:56.46 | anticw | sigh ... is there a usb bootable image i can ftp & dd to recover a machine with handy? |
| 03:56.57 | karlpinc | hotwings: Did you release and renew your lease? |
| 03:57.07 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: and "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up"? |
| 03:57.43 | pokjn13579 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
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| 03:58.07 | hotwings | karlpinc - i rebooted the pc. btw, i send a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces.. not sure if any of that matters? |
| 03:58.19 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: how about just `ifconfig wlan0` (and don't paste it here) |
| 03:59.02 | karlpinc | hotwings: If you're using a static IP and not dhcp then dhcpclient, and dhcp itself, is not in the picture so there's no way to talk to the dhcp server and set the hostname. |
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| 03:59.39 | hotwings | karlpinc - i set a static ip on my windows boxes too but the router sees their names |
| 04:00.05 | pokjn13579 | im tired and it is 12 so i am just going to forget it until toorrow |
| 04:01.10 | pokjn13579 | sorry for wasting your time JoeHazzers |
| 04:01.21 | karlpinc | hotwings: Yes, but MS does voodoo. You could try doing something or another with samba to talk some other MS supported protocol. Perhaps the samba faq at samba.org would help. |
| 04:01.23 | amphorion | pokjn13579: iw dev wlan0 scan |
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| 04:01.37 | Leave_This_Place | hey karlpinc, i guess I shouldn't complain about out of date software, huh? I guess things like this never happen |
| 04:01.56 | JoeHazzers | pokjn13579: don't be silly, i clearly have nothing better to do :) |
| 04:01.59 | cipher__ | oh wow, i can max the volume past the "100%" and these headphones don't distort :O |
| 04:02.06 | Leave_This_Place | imgur.com/dGLHK |
| 04:02.19 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: lol, you got your audio working? |
| 04:02.31 | Leave_This_Place | it's probably just "shiny new shit" syndrome, huh |
| 04:02.32 | amphorion | JoeHazzers: yes he did |
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| 04:02.37 | JoeHazzers | what was the issue? |
| 04:02.43 | karlpinc | !ops Leave_This_Place is trolling |
| 04:02.43 | amphorion | JoeHazzers: kernel |
| 04:02.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: karlpinc complains about: Leave_This_Place is trolling |
| 04:02.50 | JoeHazzers | bah |
| 04:02.57 | JoeHazzers | never has this problem on testing :3 |
| 04:02.58 | Leave_This_Place | not at all karlpinc |
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| 04:03.08 | cipher__ | now i just need to lower my treble, and boost the bass |
| 04:03.26 | cipher__ | jackaudio seems monstrous |
| 04:03.28 | Leave_This_Place | it seems karlpinc doesn't have an answer for defending outdated software anymore |
| 04:03.33 | amphorion | never has such problems on SID |
| 04:03.35 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: if you have headphones that need an amp, chances are that onboard audio won't cut it for audio quality |
| 04:03.40 | hotwings | karlpinc - ok thanks. i thought it would be easy to have a static ip and have my router/other pcs to see it by hostname but its proving to be a pain in the ass |
| 04:03.43 | karlpinc | JoeHazzers: I always like to put a newer kernel on, just in case. |
| 04:04.04 | Leave_This_Place | not that i like gnome3. i hate gnome3. i'd rather stick with gnome2, tyvm |
| 04:04.22 | nsadmin | Leave_This_Place, that's not you asking for debioan support. SO: try #debian-offtopic |
| 04:04.29 | cipher__ | is there any max bitrate for alsa btw? |
| 04:05.28 | JoeHazzers | cipher__: i can't seem to find any obvious documentation specifying that :D |
| 04:05.33 | karlpinc | hotwings: I ditch the dns and dhcp on the router and run my own. YMMV. |
| 04:05.34 | Leave_This_Place | does anyone else have a problem installing grub2 from a netinstall image? |
| 04:05.47 | cipher__ | well, it is probably too high for me to dicern |
| 04:05.51 | hotwings | thanks for the help karlpinc. |
| 04:05.52 | cipher__ | discern |
| 04:06.48 | nsadmin | Leave_This_Place, specify in detail what is going on for you (that question and all others of that form could be answered by the bts) |
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| 04:08.10 | Leave_This_Place | well, what happens is about 2/3 times when i get to the grub-install stage when using a netinstall, i get an install failure |
| 04:08.29 | Leave_This_Place | i usually end up missing some grub2 module or other as well |
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| 04:09.16 | nsadmin | does the installer divulge any thoughts on why? |
| 04:09.34 | jair | hello guys, I am trying to remember what is the name and cause of a situation like this: You delete a 50Gb file but a df doesnāt show an increase in available space? |
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| 04:09.54 | jair | is this because I need to kill some process that keep the logs or file in use correct? |
| 04:09.58 | karlpinc | jair: Some other program has the file open. Use lsof to find it. |
| 04:09.59 | jair | something like that? |
| 04:10.05 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: let me check my install log |
| 04:10.52 | jair | karlpinc: I see, right so there is a process using the file withing the 50GB file I deleted? |
| 04:10.52 | nsadmin | that would be good... meanwhile, how did you boot the installer? |
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| 04:11.47 | karlpinc | jair: Yes. If it's a logfile you can often run logrotate manually to close and reopen the logs. |
| 04:12.28 | jair | karlpinc: very nice |
| 04:12.33 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: from a usb drive.. also, it seems like I don't have a record of the failure since i'm typing this from a successful install |
| 04:14.04 | amphorion | cipher__: i think i found a solution.... |
| 04:14.38 | nsadmin | ok, are there two machines involved, this being the one you're talking to us on, and another you're trying to install onto? |
| 04:15.31 | nsadmin | one thing I want to get to is whether some of your hardware is not supported by the installer kernel |
| 04:15.41 | cipher__ | amphorion, ? |
| 04:15.46 | amphorion | cipher__: try install libasound2-plugin-equal |
| 04:15.52 | cipher__ | ok |
| 04:15.56 | jair | karlpinc: what about a binary file that randomly core dumps? |
| 04:17.00 | amphorion | i don't know if it works.... but then..look at this.. and do trial and error... he he he http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=352 |
| 04:17.21 | nsadmin | Leave_This_Place, can you get the install booted by first booting the usb stick where the installer was written to? |
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| 04:17.54 | cipher__ | i just noticed what it was doing :O http://pastie.org/3948146 |
| 04:17.56 | cipher__ | and stopped it |
| 04:18.04 | jair | karlpinc: a core dump bynary file is basically if it crashes and some part of the binary continue running or alive? consuming resources? |
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| 04:18.38 | cipher__ | amphorion, i think someone should check that package |
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| 04:19.52 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: you mean after the grub-install fails and then i try to reboot using the netinstall? |
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| 04:20.44 | xecycle | Hello I'm cross-installing Debian on LVM, but didn't found any wiki pages telling how to include LVM into initramfs. |
| 04:22.23 | nsadmin | Leave_This_Place, I think I need some clarification... is the physical hardware of the machine you're talking to us on, the machine you're also installing on? |
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| 04:23.39 | cipher__ | amphorion, my gui is completely destroyed |
| 04:23.44 | cipher__ | wtf |
| 04:23.48 | cipher__ | :9 |
| 04:23.51 | amphorion | i noticed it.... |
| 04:24.22 | amphorion | what the hell does the ubuntu people.... |
| 04:24.29 | cipher__ | amphorion, ? |
| 04:24.53 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: yessir |
| 04:25.01 | amphorion | cipher__: what desktop you use?? |
| 04:25.06 | cipher__ | fluxbox |
| 04:25.23 | cipher__ | it took ages :( |
| 04:25.47 | cipher__ | i'm going to go through and reinstall it all |
| 04:25.56 | cipher__ | why the hell did it remove half my packages |
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| 04:26.31 | amphorion | cipher__: i don't know.... that should be fixed... |
| 04:26.39 | cipher__ | it's happened before? |
| 04:26.43 | cipher__ | its* |
| 04:26.50 | amphorion | cipher__: but i think they don't fix it... |
| 04:26.57 | cipher__ | and you told me to use it? |
| 04:27.00 | cipher__ | :( |
| 04:27.08 | amphorion | cipher__: i don't know... im on pure debian |
| 04:27.46 | amphorion | cipher__: but such thing should not happen... |
| 04:27.54 | amphorion | cipher__: damn ubuntu |
| 04:27.56 | cipher__ | wtf |
| 04:28.09 | cipher__ | i spent so long on this, nooooo! |
| 04:28.21 | cipher__ | o well |
| 04:28.38 | cipher__ | atleast all my font is size 56, easy to see |
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| 04:29.21 | nsadmin | Leave_This_Place, aha... so, on this machine you have: the install you are now running and ircing on, and an install that failed to install grub... correct? |
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| 04:29.41 | amphorion | cipher__: apt-get -f install xserver-xorg fluxbox.... etc |
| 04:29.56 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: yes, but the partition got wiped so the install log is gone, i'm pretty sure |
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| 04:30.20 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: i'm going to upgrade to wheezy in a minute so i'll probably need to reinstall again, if it fails again, i'll let you know XD |
| 04:30.21 | JPeterson | can i modify sources.list to use beta packages? |
| 04:30.31 | nsadmin | here's where I'm going with this: you may not need grub on the failed install because the grub on the working install could boot the other install |
| 04:30.38 | cipher__ | how did this get into official repos |
| 04:31.47 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: oh i think we got a bit confused here.. i reinstalled over the old partition |
| 04:31.55 | amphorion | cipher__: ask the ubunbu people.. why it breaks the whole system |
| 04:32.53 | cipher__ | what was the package again |
| 04:33.10 | amphorion | cipher__: libasound2-plugin-equal |
| 04:33.21 | nsadmin | Leave_This_Place, ok, so more clarification: this working install is what replaced the failed install, so you actually have one install on, what, the single drive in that machine? |
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| 04:34.20 | amphorion | cipher__: i think on ubuntu better use apt-get -s install before real install.. *g* |
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| 04:36.02 | amphorion | cipher__: APT did not warn you about uninstalling??? |
| 04:36.11 | cipher__ | nope |
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| 04:36.29 | Leave_This_Place | nsadmin: it's got a couple drives and LVM |
| 04:36.44 | cipher__ | brb |
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| 04:37.32 | cipher__ | i'm back to my excessively sexy gui again |
| 04:37.39 | cipher__ | i just installed everything by hand |
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| 04:38.03 | cipher__ | and by hand, i mean aptitude |
| 04:38.04 | amphorion | wow |
| 04:38.08 | amphorion | and sound? |
| 04:38.10 | cipher__ | yeah |
| 04:38.11 | vhvh | hi |
| 04:38.26 | cipher__ | it all works, i am going to go troll #ubuntu until i get banned now |
| 04:38.48 | lost1_ | apt-get -purge remove cipher |
| 04:38.59 | cipher__ | lol, it it well deserved |
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| 04:39.06 | nsadmin | cipher__, better to not slam doors you may wish to go thru later :) |
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| 04:39.56 | nsadmin | cipher__, in any case, congratulations |
| 04:40.00 | cipher__ | over the past 3 years, i have never -- literally -- received help from ubuntu. |
| 04:40.15 | cipher__ | no-one there has any clue what they are doing. |
| 04:40.53 | nsadmin | that's still no reason to hurt em on purpose |
| 04:40.58 | amphorion | cipher__: is your ubuntu up du date??? |
| 04:41.20 | cipher__ | nsadmin, i don't think trolling is exactly on par with abuse or hurting someone |
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| 04:42.57 | nsadmin | cipher__, so, consider this question (this is you talking): "What is the highest and best use of my time right now?" |
| 04:43.20 | cipher__ | to continue programming a linear algebra library |
| 04:43.24 | cipher__ | pragmatically anyway |
| 04:43.29 | cipher__ | emotionally, different story |
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| 04:43.48 | vhvh | two things i didn't understand with debian install, first, like windows OS if your cpu got a problem (it was my case) you can't install debian (you will shutdown automatically), with ubuntu no problem with that;in second, why debian force users to use WEP key instead WAP during the install ? |
| 04:43.56 | nsadmin | oh, seen scilab, what's that other thing... I'll remember it |
| 04:44.09 | nsadmin | , versions scilap |
| 04:44.10 | judd | No package named 'scilap' was found in i386. |
| 04:44.13 | nsadmin | , versions scilab |
| 04:44.14 | judd | Package: scilab on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 4.1.2-6; squeeze: 5.2.2-9; wheezy: 5.3.3-8; sid: 5.3.3-10; experimental: 5.4.0-alpha-1-1~exp3; experimental: 5.4.0-alpha-20120903-33206a8-1~exp2; experimental: 5.4.0-alpha-20122105-824511b-1~exp1 |
| 04:44.30 | nsadmin | kinda like matlab |
| 04:44.37 | nsadmin | , info scilab |
| 04:44.38 | judd | Package scilab (math, optional) in squeeze/i386: Scientific software package for numerical computations. Version: 5.2.2-9; Size: 214.0k; Installed: 636k; Homepage: http://www.scilab.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/scilab |
| 04:45.07 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe that thing doesn't have vector stuff which it sounds like you want |
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| 04:46.56 | amphorion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:47.14 | amphorion | cipher__: i try to find out what happend |
| 04:47.21 | cipher__ | i would rather not take any more risks tbh :) |
| 04:47.30 | amphorion | ha ha ha ha |
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| 04:47.39 | cipher__ | i am quite happy as it is |
| 04:48.03 | amphorion | cipher__: in this fact.... i think you better switch to real pure debian... |
| 04:48.22 | nsadmin | instead of switch... you can try on a spare machine |
| 04:48.23 | cipher__ | i tried debian, it would not boot on my system |
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| 04:48.50 | nsadmin | is that the only thing that prevented you using it for this case? |
| 04:49.17 | cipher__ | yes, i just cycled through my accumulation of distros until one worke |
| 04:49.18 | cipher__ | d |
| 04:49.27 | amphorion | cipher__: thats cool.... i can say this about ubuntu.. |
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| 04:50.12 | cipher__ | then again i have no power management, (what boot flag is that?), in order for it to boot too |
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| 04:50.21 | cipher__ | -nolspci or something |
| 04:50.22 | amphorion | cipher__: but with messing around about some kernel cheats... it will run... |
| 04:50.33 | nsadmin | Nixon on probably nuthin: "Let me say this about that ..." |
| 04:51.20 | amphorion | cipher__: what is that for a machine??? what mainboard... etc ?? |
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| 04:53.09 | nsadmin | noacpi? |
| 04:53.23 | nsadmin | !noacpi |
| 04:53.48 | cipher__ | ye |
| 04:53.49 | cipher__ | yes* |
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| 04:55.54 | anticw | meh, what's the magic voodoo to find where a pkg is (in this case libssl1.0.0) |
| 04:56.21 | nsadmin | , names libssl |
| 04:56.22 | judd | Search for libssl in squeeze/i386: |
| 04:56.47 | anticw | apt-cache show ... |
| 04:56.53 | anticw | was enough after search |
| 04:57.00 | anticw | i thought there might be a smarter way |
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| 04:57.14 | iluminator101 | how do you force something to print if the print is disabled in a page? |
| 04:57.18 | nsadmin | the smartest way is the one that gets you the results you want |
| 04:57.40 | cipher__ | iluminator101, on a webpage? |
| 04:57.59 | amphorion | apt-cache and apt-file... are the tools you need... |
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| 04:58.47 | antiisolo | I have started getting weird errors from debian. Quadrapassel is getting an error, spotify crashes on startup, then loads for 3 songs then crashes, skype just crashed.. any idea? |
| 04:58.53 | skydrome | hi can anyone tell me if the package "bc" is installed by default on debian? |
| 04:59.01 | antiisolo | quadrapassel error from terminal says The error was 'GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest'. (Details: serial 47 error_code 178 request_code 154 minor_code 16) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; |
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| 04:59.19 | iluminator101 | cipher__, on a page its a embedded pdf |
| 04:59.31 | cipher__ | can you give me the link |
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| 05:00.57 | amphorion | skydrome: yes.... lsb-core want it... so its installed by default |
| 05:01.04 | iluminator101 | cipher__, negative |
| 05:01.11 | cipher__ | ok |
| 05:01.43 | iluminator101 | when try to print from browser it does not show up |
| 05:02.13 | cipher__ | amphorion, it's a xps 15z |
| 05:02.24 | skydrome | amphorion, thanks |
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| 05:03.28 | mauricio | hi, is DECnet necessary in Wheezy? or can I configure it later? |
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| 05:03.35 | mauricio | or never maybe n_n' |
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| 05:08.09 | karlpinc | iluminator101: Download the pdf. Patch your favorite reader to ignore the restriction. Print. |
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| 05:08.59 | amphorion | cipher__: when you want to try debian on this machine... try with boot option acpi=noirq |
| 05:09.25 | cipher__ | amphorion, thanks. |
| 05:10.07 | iluminator101 | karlpinc, but its their own version of the flash player not even standard flash player either |
| 05:11.21 | amphorion | cipher__: but i think... when wheezy will be released... it should work with linux 3.2 out of the box.. |
| 05:11.53 | anticw | is there a rough timeframe for wheezy? |
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| 05:12.40 | cipher__ | if you're klined can't you just get a new ip (in a new range), and re-register? |
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| 05:13.49 | amphorion | anticw: i think.... the freeze will happen in the next 2 month... |
| 05:14.36 | amphorion | anticw: look at this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/10/msg00001.html |
| 05:14.44 | cipher__ | amphorion, is there anyway i can check to see if it will be compatible with my hardware? |
| 05:15.45 | karlpinc | cipher__: A debian-live cd? |
| 05:15.48 | Tekk_ | does anyone else get errors when trying to grab the testing images via bt? I get "requested download is not authorized for use on this tracker" |
| 05:15.52 | cipher__ | ah, haha. |
| 05:15.55 | amphorion | cipher__: when it runs an ubuntu... it will be run with the next debian release... |
| 05:16.02 | Tekk_ | I've tried both xfce/lxde and gnome versions, same problem |
| 05:16.12 | cipher__ | ok |
| 05:16.17 | Leave_This_Place | so,... if i use "deb http://mirrors.tummy.com/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free", should I keep this line: "deb http://mirrors.tummy.com/debian/ squeeze-updates main"? |
| 05:16.41 | karlpinc | Leave_This_Place: No. |
| 05:16.46 | Leave_This_Place | is there any point in having squeeze updates if you're using wheezy, no right? |
| 05:16.56 | Leave_This_Place | and i'm not interested in playing around with wheezy-proposed-updates |
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| 05:18.09 | Tekk_ | Leave_This_Place: nope, squeeze gets everything after wheezy |
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| 05:18.20 | Tekk_ | least iirc |
| 05:18.24 | Leave_This_Place | what about "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main " |
| 05:18.49 | karlpinc | Leave_This_Place: Don't need that either. No security support. |
| 05:18.51 | Tekk_ | excwell, I think in some cases squeeze gets an update at the same time as wheezy if it's a serious security issue, that doesn't matter though |
| 05:19.07 | amphorion | cipher__: i think the old kernel in squeeze don't run without cheating.... but the 3.2 in wheezy will |
| 05:19.08 | Leave_This_Place | well, the reason I ask is, aren't there still some packages from "Squeeze" even if you're using wheezy packages? |
| 05:19.19 | peterS | Leave_This_Place: if you're using wheezy, why would you worry about security support? Or, alternatively, if you care about security updates, why are you using wheezy? |
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| 05:20.15 | peterS | leaving the security.debian.org line for squeeze security updates in sources.list is harmless enough, but probably not very useful, if you've got a wheezy base |
| 05:20.32 | peterS | rarely will a security update to squeeze be the newest available package version |
| 05:20.57 | Leave_This_Place | i'm only gonig to be upgrading compiling packages to wheezy, and i'll be keeping gnome2 and maybe even the pre 3.0 kernel |
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| 05:21.19 | peterS | oh, then in that case, sure, leave the security.debian.org squeeze/updates line |
| 05:22.04 | Leave_This_Place | i'm planning on my own custom repo so it'll be a hybrid of the two |
| 05:22.17 | karlpinc | Leave_This_Place: Just don't complain when it's completely broken. |
| 05:22.35 | torpid | i accidentally submitted a duplicate submission in the bug tracking system - does anyone know how I can cancel it? the initial e-mail address I used was invalid and i'm not sure if that spits out an e-mail with details on how to cancel it |
| 05:22.35 | Leave_This_Place | heh will it break karlpinc ? |
| 05:22.50 | mauricio | Hi, just wondering, is it a good idea to upgrade to Wheezy after a year using Squeeze? (which means I have tons of packages installed and compiled) |
| 05:23.23 | Leave_This_Place | peterS: and i should also keep the squeeze-updates for my older packages? |
| 05:23.37 | peterS | Leave_This_Place: sure |
| 05:24.37 | karlpinc | Leave_This_Place: Mixing releases is a well known way to break your system. The right way to do it is to use backports, or backport what you need yourself. (I've never tried mixing releases. It's probably _possible_ to do, and probably also not sane. Knock yourself out.) |
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| 05:26.24 | Leave_This_Place | karlpinc: hmmm maybe along certain lines i could see that happening, especially when using old python2.5-dependent packages or smth like that |
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| 05:47.16 | JPeterson | the untable APT channel seems to have many old packages |
| 05:47.27 | JPeterson | for example mingw64 is two years old |
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| 05:47.53 | JPeterson | what about a nightly repo channel? |
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| 05:48.04 | JPeterson | APT repo channel |
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| 06:04.17 | nkuttler | pfff... the wiki is certainly slow to register/auth... |
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| 06:05.04 | nkuttler | JPeterson: has there been a new release of mingw64? |
| 06:05.18 | JPeterson | ya 3 |
| 06:05.28 | nkuttler | JPeterson: file a bug |
| 06:05.33 | JPeterson | ok |
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| 06:05.48 | JPeterson | it's not released |
| 06:05.54 | sithfm | waves |
| 06:05.56 | nkuttler | JPeterson: if there maintainer is awol there's probably some procedure, wouldn't know about that though |
| 06:05.59 | iluminator101 | permission to pm cipher__ |
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| 06:06.00 | nkuttler | JPeterson: what's not released? |
| 06:06.07 | JPeterson | mingw-64 3 |
| 06:06.40 | cipher__ | absolutely |
| 06:06.47 | JPeterson | my point is about a more recent APT channel |
| 06:06.56 | cipher__ | iluminator101 |
| 06:06.56 | JPeterson | with more recent code |
| 06:07.01 | nkuttler | ,versions mingw64 |
| 06:07.02 | judd | No package named 'mingw64' was found in i386. |
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| 06:07.09 | nkuttler | JPeterson: the package doesn't even exist |
| 06:07.21 | nkuttler | JPeterson: and what do you mean my apt channel anyway.. |
| 06:07.33 | JPeterson | this will show you the mingw packages sudo apt-cache search 'mingw' |
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| 06:07.54 | JPeterson | a more recent APT channel than 'unstable' |
| 06:08.03 | nkuttler | JPeterson: there isn't |
| 06:08.14 | nkuttler | JPeterson: and debian doesn't package unreleased stuff... normally |
| 06:08.36 | JPeterson | that's why i asked |
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| 06:08.58 | tralala | JPeterson, there's experimental |
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| 06:59.57 | tekk__ | Okay, so the busybox in current testing CDs seems bad, the installer says it can't find it. chrooting and doing an apt-get to make sure you have the package, then redoing base install works though |
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| 07:05.42 | decci | All the Broadcom NICs are not taking DHCP IP.. |
| 07:05.55 | decci | I am using debian 6.0.2 on dell hardware |
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| 07:06.36 | ChrisH | decci: did you ask that yesterday with a different nic? |
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| 07:19.06 | pozic | Can I follow these instructions or not? https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/RemovingLaFiles |
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| 07:25.19 | ChrisH | pozic: May I quote from that page: "Note from a Debian GNOME maintainer: do not do this on your Debian system" |
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| 07:29.40 | pozic | ChrisH: yes, and please continue reading. |
| 07:29.47 | pozic | ChrisH: The page basically says that there is a problem then it apparently solves this problem later on. |
| 07:30.17 | pozic | ChrisH: I also find it a very bad statement by the Debian GNOME maintainer. It's just FUD. |
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| 07:30.29 | pozic | ChrisH: there is no insight into his/her statement. |
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| 07:31.02 | pozic | ChrisH: I would expect a Debian GNOME maintainer to say exactly why it is a problem. |
| 07:31.29 | pozic | The Gentoo one is the same kind of weasel. |
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| 07:32.12 | ChrisH | What are these la files used for? I would start as follows: find /usr/lib\* -type f -name \*la to see are there these file and how many of them do I have? |
| 07:32.38 | pozic | ChrisH: they are libtool generated files which I think aren't even used at run-time. |
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| 07:33.08 | pozic | ChrisH: it's basically a platform independent way of linking stuff. |
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| 07:33.37 | ChrisH | What are these la files used for? I would start as follows: find /usr/lib* -type f -name \*la to see are there these file and how many of them do I have? |
| 07:33.40 | pozic | ChrisH: and that only adds to my doubt regarding the statement of the the maintainer. |
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| 07:33.51 | ChrisH | sorry, the find was incorrect. |
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| 07:34.33 | pozic | ChrisH: it's still wrong, btw. |
| 07:34.39 | pozic | ChrisH: you need to add a dot. |
| 07:34.55 | pozic | ChrisH: and there are a lot of files. |
| 07:35.16 | ChrisH | pozic: then you need to add a \ too, otherwise the . is a wildcard (at least it should be) :) |
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| 07:35.23 | pozic | ChrisH: I know |
| 07:35.38 | pozic | ChrisH: er no. |
| 07:35.53 | pozic | ChrisH: you don't. |
| 07:35.58 | ChrisH | Its gnu-find... its more clever than SYS-V find |
| 07:36.09 | pozic | ChrisH: I don't think that's the reason. |
| 07:36.19 | pozic | ChrisH: * in the first case was globbing. |
| 07:36.23 | pozic | ChrisH: shell globbing. |
| 07:36.40 | pozic | ChrisH: the . is just a dot. |
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| 07:37.41 | ChrisH | anyhow... you will do it right :) redirect the output into a file and create a mv file.la file.la.away script and test... reverting would be simple |
| 07:37.59 | pozic | ChrisH: yeah, I was already considering that. |
| 07:38.10 | pozic | ChrisH: but I thought I could perhaps skip that step. |
| 07:39.33 | pozic | ChrisH: it's a one liner, I think. Easy. |
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| 07:41.56 | ChrisH | pozic: consider it might be needed to reboot to be sure it works. mv and filehandles |
| 07:42.29 | pozic | ChrisH: just to be sure: you do have some experience with Debian, right? |
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| 07:44.32 | ChrisH | pozic: Debian only since about 5 years. UNIX (mainly Solaris, HPUX) over 15 years. |
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| 07:45.14 | pozic | Well, it it really is a problem I will just get a LiveCD, but I am about 99% sure it won't do any harm. |
| 07:45.25 | pozic | Scripts done and test :) |
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| 07:45.55 | bucko | Hi guys! Google has failed me; can someone point me to a sensible guide for setting up a Japanese input method (scim is fine, though I'm sure I use other stuff on the machines where it works)? |
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| 07:47.17 | bucko | (I just want apt-get install <X>; put <Y> in .xsession; done.) |
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| 08:06.33 | pozic | ChrisH: it basically makes my system crawl. |
| 08:06.45 | pozic | ChrisH: no idea why and ssl also seems to be broken. |
| 08:06.58 | pozic | ChrisH: or rather, only in browsers. |
| 08:06.59 | intore | hi, am still on permissions problems on homes samba shares. Is it possible or not to mount user's home shares from debian server (samba) to a linux client? Someone told me yes, someone told me maybe, someone told me no. Online i found a document https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently#CIFS_remote_ownership_enforcement where seems is possible but i didn't find the solution to my problem. Do you know something about it? |
| 08:07.27 | pozic | ChrisH: does https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#Building work for you? |
| 08:07.38 | pozic | ChrisH: I get that there is some infinite redirection loop. |
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| 08:09.54 | codekK | anyone use ejabberd? |
| 08:11.42 | pozic | ChrisH: I think they just destroyed their website. |
| 08:11.52 | pozic | ChrisH: because loading it through a proxy also doesn't work. |
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| 08:19.04 | debclair | hi everyone, I just upgraded to Wheezy but still have aprox. 770 packages pending because of dependency problems. I've already tried apt-get -f update, apt-get -f dist-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade |
| 08:19.42 | debclair | also, the system boots into gnome 3 succesfully. |
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| 08:23.34 | ksk | debclair: pastebin you sources.list, do aptitude update, pastebin aptitude safe-upgrade errors |
| 08:23.47 | ksk | or dist-upgrade, whatever |
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| 08:24.47 | debclair | ksk: ok, hang on |
| 08:25.23 | freddy__ | hi trying to update to squeeze from lenny - get conf broken libc-bin ... ? |
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| 08:25.52 | debclair | ksk: the error list is quite long |
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| 08:26.29 | \marco | hi to all |
| 08:26.34 | mosayeb | where is apt package database stored? i mean the files which are downloaded by apt-get update |
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| 08:27.09 | ksk | mosayeb: man aptitude says /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:27.29 | freddy__ | have made sources.list to squeeze .. now I get 'conf broken libc-bin '... ? |
| 08:27.48 | ksk | !tell freddy__ about lenny->squeeze |
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| 08:28.09 | mosayeb | ksk: not archive files. the files that brings package list database |
| 08:28.30 | \marco | I've a problem with ipw2200 and network-manager. The problem is that ipw2200 works bad with nl80211. Ubuntu has solved this bug with a patch forcing NM to use wext interface |
| 08:28.32 | peterrooney | the .deb files are in /var/cache/apt/archives , the database (?) was /var/lib/dpkg/status last time I checked. |
| 08:29.23 | \marco | is there something around for us? |
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| 08:30.14 | debclair | ksk: my source list has only the liquorix kernel repo, the security and main ftp debian repos. |
| 08:30.21 | \marco | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/973241 |
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| 08:30.58 | \marco | I'm on debian testing and I've NM 0.9.4-r3 |
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| 09:01.25 | themill | !mentors |
| 09:01.26 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 09:57.14 | g105b | I have a shell script hosted online, what is the simplest method of executing the script on a workstation connected to the internet, in terms of shortest terminal command? |
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| 09:57.44 | krion | ssh yourhost sh yousrcipt.sh |
| 09:58.07 | krion | but the script would be executed on the hosted server, not your workstation |
| 09:58.35 | g105b | krion: I'd like to execute it on the workstation, possibly getting it using wget over http |
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| 09:59.05 | g105b | krion: I've tried HELLO=$(wget -qO- http://example.com/test.sh) && $HELLO |
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| 09:59.15 | g105b | but that isn't executed, it is just echoed |
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| 09:59.46 | krion | why using a variable ? just wget test.sh && sh test.sh |
| 10:01.18 | codekK | anyone use ejabberd?? |
| 10:02.13 | g105b | krion: ha, yeah that would be simpler wouldn't it? |
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| 10:10.30 | nsadmin | g105b, in VAR=foo, $VAR will be foo... if you do VAR=$(command arg arg), command arg arg will immeciately execute |
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| 10:11.43 | krion | nsadmin: then why is it echoed and not executed ? |
| 10:11.50 | nsadmin | whatever command arg arg prints to stdout, goes to VAR |
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| 10:12.11 | krion | oh ok |
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| 10:12.35 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 10:13.13 | nsadmin | VAR=$(echo "hi") |
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| 10:13.33 | nsadmin | if you understood so far, you already know what is in VAR |
| 10:14.59 | nsadmin | (one thing, $() and ${} are different) |
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| 10:26.13 | nsadmin | g105b, so you want the script to execute on the person's local machine |
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| 10:37.28 | codekK | anyone use ejabberd?? |
| 10:37.46 | simonlnu | no, even people who use it |
| 10:37.57 | nsadmin | codekK ummm... |
| 10:38.00 | nsadmin | you? |
| 10:38.19 | codekK | :( |
| 10:38.35 | codekK | yes i use it but i have a problem 2 weeks ago |
| 10:38.35 | simonlnu | ask the real question |
| 10:38.42 | nsadmin | codekK, relax a bit... welcome to debian support |
| 10:38.56 | codekK | Ok, then sorry for ask here |
| 10:39.30 | simonlnu | just ask the question |
| 10:39.49 | simonlnu | asking if anyone uses it doesn't help anybody |
| 10:39.57 | ChrisH | dpkg tell codekK about ask |
| 10:40.10 | simonlnu | beat me to it ;) |
| 10:41.46 | nsadmin | codekK, and while you ask, tell the story of it, and give us some of the details of what you want to tell us |
| 10:41.47 | codekK | I have a ejabberd server with LDAP auth and a shared roster configure and running, the problem is when i want to show the "displayName" from LDAP as nickname on ejabberd client, it dont run automatically its need to push on user right click > get info then show the displayName as nickname but i need it automatically.... Āæanyone? |
| 10:42.41 | codekK | Since you asked several times telling the story, but nobody answers me and I'm desperate, I'm sorry again |
| 10:45.14 | codekK | Is what nobody really uses ejabberd? |
| 10:45.20 | simonlnu | i have't used the ldap module, so i can't help specifically, but i'm guessing maybe a backend search isn't being completed. have you been tailing your ldap log while a user does this? |
| 10:45.31 | nsadmin | codekK, thanks... one thing that giving some of the details causes, is wayy more people can figure out if they have something to offer you |
| 10:45.35 | simonlnu | (i do have experience with other ldap stuff) |
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| 10:46.11 | simonlnu | i run prosody here |
| 10:46.39 | codekK | simonlnu, LDAP is running well because I have a shared group with LDAP users and it appear |
| 10:46.45 | codekK | and the nickname appear too |
| 10:47.07 | ChrisH | codekK: can you check (eg. using tcpdump) if the ejabberd sends a request to the LDAP at the beginning? Maybe you can compare the first request against the request send during the manuall action. |
| 10:47.13 | codekK | but its necessary to go in client user to user click right > get info and its no good for my company |
| 10:47.13 | simonlnu | hm. but it doesn't for users? or just one user? |
| 10:47.48 | ChrisH | codekK: IIRC its the same with my user experience on pidgin and Zimbra. |
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| 10:47.52 | codekK | simonlnu, i need show the displayName as Nickname on client (Pidgin) of all users |
| 10:48.54 | nsadmin | I've found there is a channel #jabber, I dunno if it's active, there is a topic and about 23 users |
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| 10:50.06 | codekK | nsadmin, I have trying to ask here, but they say go to #ejabberd and in #ejabberd i dont get replies -.-' :'( |
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| 10:50.21 | simonlnu | well, you have to be patient |
| 10:50.30 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 10:50.57 | codekK | I am patient, but it took 2 weeks and my boss wants to have it running this weekƧ |
| 10:51.01 | codekK | :( |
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| 10:51.20 | simonlnu | many channels aren't like this one, where you'll get a reply right away or very soon. also, often many of the users will be in a different time zone. |
| 10:51.34 | simonlnu | i don't think you'll have to wait a week ;) |
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| 10:52.08 | babilen | There is also http://lists.jabber.ru/mailman/listinfo/ejabberd fwiw |
| 10:52.46 | codekK | I know, but I have spent two weeks with this very heavy |
| 10:52.55 | simonlnu | and $search_engine - i always find stuff on ejabberd everywhere, even when i'm not looking for it, having to do with xmpp |
| 10:53.50 | babilen | codekK: Is this your mail: http://lists.jabber.ru/pipermail/ejabberd/2012-May/007502.html ? |
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| 10:54.56 | babilen | codekK: Hmm, I guess not. I fail to find your mail to the aforementioned mailing list from two week ago, or did I misunderstand you and you never asked there? |
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| 10:55.26 | codekK | babilen, atm i dont ask at mailing list |
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| 10:56.28 | babilen | I would recommend to do that. Even if it just serves as a good "write up" of the problem that you can point us and other people to. The problem might even become clearer while you gather information for it. |
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| 10:58.04 | codekK | Okay, I will, thank you very much and forgive again for being so heavy |
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| 11:03.24 | dpetrek | hihos |
| 11:03.29 | dpetrek | so i've set up samba on my debian |
| 11:03.41 | dpetrek | put "guest ok = yes" |
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| 11:07.22 | grobda24 | Hello. Been following this ... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_compiling_the_kernel_source_debian_kernel_team_recommendation |
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| 11:08.02 | grobda24 | But "sudo apt-get build-dep linux-*3.2* gives "unable to find package" |
| 11:08.49 | dpetrek | when trying to access from windows machine i get the password prompt |
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| 11:09.48 | grobda24 | dpetrek: this is using samba ? |
| 11:09.59 | dpetrek | yes |
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| 11:10.03 | dpetrek | grobda24: yes |
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| 11:11.24 | grobda24 | dpetrek: you might have to set the debian box to be "share" samba server type ... or follow the samba trouble shooting guide on the samba site |
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| 11:12.14 | RainbowDashh | oh. that explains why I keep hearing kicking noises. |
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| 11:13.00 | krion | :) |
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| 11:15.48 | jackweb | Hello! I am trying to configure properly my wireless connection on my netbook eMachines by Acer. My network adapter is Atheros AR9285. It is my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/wqMkMTqb The network some time works (with short intervals, when I use wicd). When I remove wicd and reboot the machine, the Internet has problems with starting. I wouldn't like to use wicd nor network-manager. I would like to use simple /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:16.39 | jackweb | the connection uses WPA2 (I don't know whether I have to write in /etc/network/interfaces that I am using WPA2) |
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| 11:17.36 | gnugr | jackweb:get "firmware-atheros" and try again |
| 11:18.33 | jackweb | gnugr: ok, I'll try |
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| 11:19.48 | babilen | jackweb: The package is in non-free which you have to enable explicitly in your sources.list. Please read "/msg dpkg non-free", "/msg dpkg non-free sources" and "/msg dpkg contrib" -- In short: Just make sure that your entries in /etc/apt/sources.list end in "main contrib non-free" and run "apt-get update" to activate. (If not done already) |
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| 11:25.43 | jackweb | gnugr: is firmware-atheros something else than ath9k? |
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| 11:31.26 | gnugr | jackweb:as babilen suggested you, be sure you have "main contrib non-fre" in your sources.list |
| 11:31.32 | rizlah | While there is no official release date for the next stable, anyone have any guesstimates on when it might be released? |
| 11:31.33 | dury | jackweb: is it posible to capture video from vhs format to computer under debian |
| 11:32.30 | gnugr | jackweb:also yes, you can check for ath9k there http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 11:32.44 | jackweb | I had ath9k on my computer |
| 11:32.51 | babilen | !tell rizlah -about wwwr |
| 11:32.54 | babilen | !tell rizlah -about wheezy pool |
| 11:33.02 | jackweb | I added non-free to sources.list |
| 11:33.35 | gnugr | jackweb:and contrib? |
| 11:33.45 | jackweb | no, so I'will have to add it |
| 11:33.53 | gnugr | yes do it |
| 11:34.20 | p0g0 | jackweb: do you have "ceni" ? It might set up the wireless correctly if you do. |
| 11:34.37 | babilen | What is "ceni" ? |
| 11:35.04 | p0g0 | ceni is a tool written by Kel Modderman that configures wireless and net connections. |
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| 11:35.27 | babilen | p0g0: Which package is that in? |
| 11:35.27 | jackweb | I think that I don't have ceni |
| 11:36.00 | p0g0 | I am not sure of the package. |
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| 11:36.47 | jelly | RainbowDashh: are you a posix compliant dash? |
| 11:36.56 | RainbowDashh | why? |
| 11:37.01 | RainbowDashh | I get it. |
| 11:37.05 | babilen | Ah, ceni seems to belong to unsupported (by us (i.e. #debian)) smuxi, sgfxi, .. suite of do-what-i-didn't-quite-want of scripts. I wouldn't use it and don't believe that it is necessary. |
| 11:37.15 | jelly | so I can symlink /bin/sh to you |
| 11:37.24 | RainbowDashh | I just use bash, not dash. |
| 11:37.29 | jelly | BLASPHEMY |
| 11:37.47 | RainbowBashh | There, have fun. (and I leaveā¦) |
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| 11:39.24 | babilen | jackweb: AFAICT you don't need formware for you wireless adapter. It is, however, known for bad wireless behaviour and it *might* make sense to try a newer kernel from backports. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577555 and "/msg dpkg bdo", "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for some details. |
| 11:39.57 | babilen | jackweb: I would furthermore recommend to give either network-manager (from backports) or a /etc/network/interfaces based configuration a try. |
| 11:40.35 | jackweb | babilen: my /etc/network/interfaces = http://pastebin.com/wqMkMTqb |
| 11:40.47 | jackweb | is it ok? |
| 11:40.51 | babilen | jackweb: I would also appreciate if you could provide some more details on "has problems with starting" -- What does happen? |
| 11:41.00 | babilen | jackweb: Could you do me a favour and use http://paste.debian.net in the future? |
| 11:41.10 | jackweb | babilen: yes, of course |
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| 11:41.50 | babilen | thanks -- one second, i'll check your configuration. What happens if you bring that interface up? |
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| 11:43.04 | babilen | jackweb: Are you sure that you have a static address? Wireless networks typically allocate addresses via DHCP. |
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| 11:43.58 | jackweb | babilen: nothing happends after `ifup wlan0`, when I use ping - "Network is unreachable" or it says "192.168.0.159 (...) Network is unreachable" |
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| 11:45.43 | babilen | jackweb: I'm being called away for lunch - I would play with DHCP and check logs of wpa_supplicant. Good luck and sorry. |
| 11:45.59 | jackweb | ok |
| 11:47.09 | mosayeb_ | how can i update only a specific repository? |
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| 11:52.08 | jackweb | is also away |
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| 11:55.09 | xLinkz0 | what i write in /etc/rc.local will be run every time i enter a session? |
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| 11:57.50 | D-Boy | i have a bunch of those weird errors (e.g. kernel: [ 166.613664] smbd[3867]: segfault at c6822efe ip b77daea9 sp bf87a10c error 5 in ld-2.7.so[b77cc000+1a000]) or malloc: ../bash/subst.c:3473: assertion botched harddisk failure ? can it be a 'memory' failure like bad memory blocks ? |
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| 12:01.04 | jelly | D-Boy: that's certainly possible |
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| 12:02.51 | xLinkz0 | what bash script is run every time i log in? |
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| 12:03.10 | TomyLobo | D-Boy do you use stable? do you use non-free or contrib stuff? |
| 12:03.21 | sithfm | 'd |
| 12:03.43 | D-Boy | TomyLobo : this one is lenny, and yes non-free & contrib stuff |
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| 12:03.59 | D-Boy | jelly : i'm running memtest86+ and i see a lot of red |
| 12:04.06 | TomyLobo | woah, lenny is oldstable |
| 12:04.14 | jelly | D-Boy: well then, you already know the answer |
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| 12:04.23 | D-Boy | i know, all my servers are squeeze excepte that one |
| 12:04.47 | TomyLobo | a server? without a raid of some kind? |
| 12:05.04 | D-Boy | TomyLobo : a personal one (my home server) |
| 12:05.12 | TomyLobo | ah |
| 12:05.38 | D-Boy | jelly : first time with memtest i have 4 ram modules, how to check wich module is corrupt ? |
| 12:05.56 | jelly | D-Boy: did you do the usual, open it up, clean all the dust, reseat the modules and retry memtest86+? |
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| 12:07.13 | D-Boy | jelly : first the server won't boot a few days ago, so i open it yesterday remove all the modules switch and replug them, and the server booted again, but with those errors, |
| 12:07.30 | jelly | D-Boy: testing by exclusion... if you have modules A, B, C and D, first memtest A and B, if no failure test B and C. If no failures -> D is suspect |
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| 12:07.52 | jelly | (assuming they need to be paired) |
| 12:08.17 | D-Boy | jelly : i just chose memtest56+ from grub and i saw a lot of red ^^ (still doing thing right now) |
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| 12:15.53 | paul424 | Hi , who would be nice ot prepare package for opendungeons for debian .... :P http://tinyurl.com/4qugckw |
| 12:15.56 | rizlah | Does Debian use the 1000Ā² or 1024Ā² definition for MB? |
| 12:16.11 | Darkasakerionz | 1024 |
| 12:16.13 | Darkasakerionz | I guess |
| 12:16.26 | TomyLobo | technically that'd be a MiB |
| 12:16.43 | rizlah | Right, but when partitioning and selecting 512, I instead get 511.7MB |
| 12:17.25 | TomyLobo | do the math, you get way over 512 if you adjust that for 1000/1024 stuff |
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| 12:18.21 | TomyLobo | so the only (and obvious) explanation is that the file system has overhead |
| 12:19.01 | nevyn | rizlah: depends on the context. |
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| 12:19.38 | jelly | rizlah: it depends on the app. |
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| 12:20.14 | secret_hamster | requiring assistance regarding a ocfs2 cluster. Really stuck here. Just don't seem to be able to get o2cb to work. pacemaker thinks it is not installed. |
| 12:20.50 | secret_hamster | I've possibly got a broken config now. Just so lost. Anyone able to help a lost lamb? :( |
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| 12:21.09 | abrotman | secret_hamster: have you contacted Oracle? |
| 12:21.17 | secret_hamster | nope |
| 12:21.28 | secret_hamster | why would I need to contact oracle? |
| 12:21.41 | abrotman | Oracle Cluster Filesystem ? |
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| 12:21.58 | abrotman | secret_hamster: you're going to have to into more detail anyway .. "really stuck" doesn't tell us much |
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| 12:22.26 | jelly | abrotman: do they have oracleclusterfsck |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | jelly: i think you mistyped a letter there? |
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| 12:23.21 | dschuett | any reason raid 0 is so slow in debian squeeze? using ext3 http://pastebin.com/3gTGe1s7 |
| 12:23.47 | secret_hamster | abrotman, well the really stuck bit is. I have stonith configured. I know I can mount the ocfs2 partition, but I need to have it controlled in a cluster |
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| 12:24.41 | secret_hamster | I've followed countless howtos from the web, the main issue being most seem to use drbd, but I will eventually need more than two hosts active, so that's out the window |
| 12:25.12 | secret_hamster | pacemaker/corosync seems to be saying that o2cb (or it's toolset) are not installed. However they are. |
| 12:25.50 | abrotman | secret_hamster: i didn't say i knew about it, just saying that you need to provide a lot more detail |
| 12:26.36 | secret_hamster | abrotman, and hence the point, no point me yabbering on about it if there was noone available to take me through a basic sanity check |
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| 12:27.11 | abrotman | secret_hamster: yes, there is, if you don't provide enough detail, people will assume you haven't read the docs and you're clueless :) |
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| 12:27.35 | secret_hamster | I have read the docs, I'm also clueless |
| 12:27.37 | secret_hamster | :P |
| 12:27.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:28.04 | abrotman | secret_hamster: is there data on the filesystem? |
| 12:28.16 | secret_hamster | I've got a number of clusters working, but this is my first to use ocfs2. I've just got no idea how I'm supposed to cluster this together |
| 12:28.36 | secret_hamster | the filesystem is fine, fully okie-dokie |
| 12:28.49 | abrotman | just not clustering |
| 12:29.02 | secret_hamster | it's the clustering (apparently it needs to pass tokens or something) side that's fooling me |
| 12:29.49 | secret_hamster | it seems abit more specialist than I thought, and we kinda need to get this last bit of the puzzle in for a solution |
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| 12:30.22 | nevyn | secret_hamster: what have you used previously |
| 12:30.58 | vibhav | How canI get a MINIMAL GUI installation on debian? |
| 12:31.24 | Bot-NitkoToNeRaz | what is a minimal GUI installation ? |
| 12:31.55 | vibhav | A GUI taking minimal space |
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| 12:32.06 | vibhav | I am on a byte-critical system :) |
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| 12:32.12 | Bot-NitkoToNeRaz | mark checkbox for graphical enviroment, mark checkbox to manualy pick and trim down software you don't want, if i remember right |
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| 12:32.36 | nevyn | vibhav: how are you constrained? |
| 12:32.39 | D-Boy | jelly & TomyLobo : I removed the corrupted ram modules (2 of 256mb each) and it works again, I'm in love with my home server i miss it ! |
| 12:32.42 | D-Boy | Thx ^^ |
| 12:32.48 | abrotman | vibhav: such as which GUI ? |
| 12:32.59 | nevyn | vibhav: disk? memory? cpu? video bandwdith? |
| 12:33.01 | vibhav | abrotman: Any DE taking minimal space |
| 12:33.23 | abrotman | vibhav: skip tasksel .. use aptitude -R install xorg fluxbox xdm .. or whatever WM you want |
| 12:33.25 | nevyn | vibhav: what is the constraint? |
| 12:33.30 | nevyn | ion dwm |
| 12:33.37 | vibhav | nevyn: 5 GB, 128 MB |
| 12:33.38 | secret_hamster | nevyn, as regards clustering. I've got a drbd back database system, I've also got a san back database system, but on an active/passive setup. I've also got an application backed system |
| 12:34.07 | abrotman | 5GB isn't a tiny amount .. 128MB is though |
| 12:34.14 | secret_hamster | nevyn, but this is my first active/active san filesystem cluster |
| 12:34.18 | nevyn | 128mb ram is tighter... |
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| 12:34.47 | secret_hamster | the database on the san is using ext3. So effectively this is my first ocfs2 cluste |
| 12:34.48 | secret_hamster | r |
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| 12:35.10 | danieldeusing | a simple linux question: a program puts its output to /dev/ttyS2. how can I read it ? |
| 12:35.11 | nevyn | secret_hamster: ocfs clusterware is crack. the gfs/rhcs/halinux stuff is far more sane |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | danieldeusing: switch to that terminal ? |
| 12:35.32 | nevyn | danieldeusing: why would it write to /dev/ttyS2 directly? |
| 12:35.42 | abrotman | inittab? |
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| 12:35.47 | danieldeusing | nevyn: idk why they do this |
| 12:36.07 | danieldeusing | abrotman: its a server to which im conntected via ssh |
| 12:36.13 | nevyn | danieldeusing: who are "they" |
| 12:36.24 | danieldeusing | the developers of the program |
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| 12:40.33 | dschuett | is anyone using mdadm in Debain Squeeze? |
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| 12:41.49 | dschuett | mdadm raid0 is very slow in Debian Squeeze. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/3gTGe1s7 |
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| 12:42.12 | vlade_imir | dschuett: it's urandom that is slow, try it with if=/dev/random |
| 12:42.21 | secret_hamster | is gfs available for active/active on debian squeeze. I seem to remember reading somewhere it wasn't ready. Hence why I went for ocfs2 |
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| 12:42.46 | abrotman | dschuett: or better yet, /dev/zero |
| 12:42.48 | CruX| | vlade_imir: urandom is faster |
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| 12:43.00 | CruX| | vlade_imir: unblocking random |
| 12:43.38 | abrotman | you're not trying to test random, just writing to mdadm, /dev/zero is probably better |
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| 12:44.17 | babilen | Or why not use something like bonnie++ ? |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | or that |
| 12:45.24 | vlade_imir | dschuett: my bad, you're right about, urandom/random thing |
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| 12:48.30 | rmrfchik | I installed linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64, but grub don't see new kerenl. here is update-grub output http://paste.debian.net/170587/ |
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| 12:50.21 | xylon2 | hey I remember there's a place somewere that has files about installed package |
| 12:50.26 | xylon2 | can't remember where |
| 12:50.41 | Rainb | How can I save a file? It says permision denied... |
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| 12:51.12 | xylon2 | Rainb: how are you editing the file? |
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| 12:51.29 | Rainb | gedit. |
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| 12:51.44 | abrotman | xylon2: apt-file ? |
| 12:51.57 | xylon2 | IK and I assume it's a system file. You need gksudo gedit {filename} |
| 12:52.14 | abrotman | Rainb: you'd have to run gedit as root or with sudo .. or just use nano/vi/emacs |
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| 12:53.07 | xylon2 | I don't know apt-file, I'm new to Debian |
| 12:53.19 | xylon2 | I thought there's some notes of indtallation somewere |
| 12:53.32 | Rainb | Yeah, thanks |
| 12:53.59 | themill | xylon2: if you're talking about installed packages, dpkg -S filename or dpkg -L packagename |
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| 12:54.54 | xylon2 | ah that's interresting |
| 12:55.08 | xylon2 | but not what I wanted but maybe it doesn't actually exist |
| 12:55.17 | xylon2 | no problem |
| 12:55.31 | dschuett | vlade_imir: Yeah, i thought i was right about that. It is just so weird that it is this slow. |
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| 12:56.35 | themill | xylon2: I don't think anyone knows what you actually want. |
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| 12:56.55 | dschuett | abrotman: ok, /dev/zero makes a HUGE difference. |
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| 12:57.04 | altin_ | anyone knows a good way to set up a VPN connection between 2 servers |
| 12:57.30 | dschuett | altin_: i'm pretty decent with openvpn |
| 12:57.30 | xylon2 | altin_: I did it with tinc once |
| 12:57.46 | iateadonut | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openvpn |
| 12:57.47 | iateadonut | http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html |
| 12:57.48 | xylon2 | but I'm not pretty decent |
| 12:58.07 | altin_ | aha |
| 12:58.14 | altin_ | Well I'll take a look at that |
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| 12:58.42 | dschuett | altin_: here is the howto I use for openvpn: http://library.linode.com/networking/openvpn/ubuntu-10.04-lucid i know it says ubuntu but i have used it on debain many times |
| 12:59.06 | altin_ | great dschuett |
| 12:59.08 | dschuett | altin_: that howto is litterally step by step, so you should be able to mess it up. |
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| 12:59.10 | altin_ | thanks a lot :) |
| 12:59.25 | dschuett | no problem. let me know if you run into any problems |
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| 12:59.50 | dschuett | should NOT** ^^ |
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| 13:04.03 | xylon2 | When i installed lighttpd i get two dirs: conf-available and conf-enabled, the second one being empty |
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| 13:04.19 | xylon2 | I remember seing something like this before were you use links to enable it |
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| 13:05.04 | xylon2 | but I'm suprised there's no sort of helpfull installation message to tell me these things |
| 13:05.16 | xylon2 | and i still don't know which type of link to use |
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| 13:08.58 | xylon2 | wot the hell, impossible |
| 13:09.11 | xylon2 | I made a hard link to a file and edited the link |
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| 13:09.18 | xylon2 | no, edited the original |
| 13:09.27 | xylon2 | but the link is not changed? |
| 13:09.37 | xylon2 | totally ompissible |
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| 13:10.45 | xylon2 | I'll ask in #gnu |
| 13:10.45 | iateadonut | if i install fail2ban, will attempts to login still show up in /var/log/secure? |
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| 13:16.28 | forestbird | iateadonut: isn't that where fail2ban gets the data? |
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| 13:17.12 | iateadonut | maybe. it puts ip addresses in hosts.deny - i meant, AFTER they get banned, will the attempt still show up. |
| 13:17.36 | iateadonut | if i set max login tries to 10 or something, after 10 times from an ip address, it will stop logging it? |
| 13:18.00 | forestbird | not if the hosts cannot connect anymore :) |
| 13:18.21 | iateadonut | got it. |
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| 13:22.36 | haoyihuan | any channel of debian-cn? |
| 13:23.25 | forestbird | !cn |
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| 13:23.30 | forestbird | this? |
| 13:23.34 | _jeka | !ru |
| 13:23.34 | dpkg | ŠŃŠ¾ Š°Š½Š³Š»ŠøŠ¹ŃŠŗŠ¾Š³Š¾Š²Š¾ŃŃŃŠøŠ¹ ŠŗŠ°Š½Š°Š», ŠæŠ¾Š¶Š°Š»ŃŠ¹ŃŃŠ°, Š³Š¾Š²Š¾ŃŠøŃŠµ ŠæŠ¾-Š°Š½Š³Š»ŠøŠ¹ŃŠŗŠø ŠøŠ»Šø ŠæŠ¾ŃŠµŃŠøŃŠµ #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 13:24.01 | _jeka | #debian-russian - is koi8-r, we need utf-8 |
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| 13:25.04 | haoyihuan | <dpkg> ę²”ęé£äøŖé¢é čæå
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| 13:26.24 | Woet | haoyihuan: dpkg is a bot. |
| 13:26.57 | haoyihuan | thanks |
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| 13:27.58 | haoyihuan | how to check someone is a bot or not ? |
| 13:28.07 | intore | ompaul, karlpinc, valdyn. Hi. The problem about mounting homes ii's solved. I addes a share definition for /users partition that contains all user's home dir. Now i can login and work on the homes shares from a client. Thanks for your time |
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| 13:29.34 | fasta | How can I reuse the users from my non-chroot systems in a chroot? |
| 13:30.08 | fasta | system* |
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| 13:31.42 | fasta | This is obsolete: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-users.html |
| 13:31.52 | fasta | Is there anything which isn't? |
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| 13:33.38 | haoyihuan | what's debian experimental ? |
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| 13:34.47 | haoyihuan | unstable? |
| 13:35.17 | nkuttler | !tell haoyihuan about experimental |
| 13:35.24 | ompaul | haoyihuan: think of it as debian more unstable |
| 13:35.30 | xylon2 | how can I find out what user lighttpd is running as? |
| 13:35.50 | nkuttler | xylon2: ps, www-data by default |
| 13:35.59 | xylon2 | ah, nice |
| 13:37.56 | fasta | Why is there even a wiki if all the information on it is wrong? |
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| 13:38.16 | nkuttler | fasta: so that you can fix it |
| 13:38.26 | fasta | In general, it seems that all the Debian specific things are not documented anywhere. |
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| 13:39.05 | ompaul | fasta: This manual is OBSOLETE and DEPRECATED since 2006, 29 Dezember 2009. foot of the page |
| 13:39.10 | fasta | I am referring to the kind of documents which e.g. Gentoo, Fedora and RedHat have. |
| 13:39.22 | fasta | ompaul: yes, I said that already. |
| 13:39.29 | ompaul | fasta: and then it says Instead see http://www.de.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference. |
| 13:39.38 | ompaul | fasta: got a better idea? |
| 13:40.11 | fasta | ompaul: ok, thanks. |
| 13:40.13 | haoyihuan | <ompaul> a bit difficult to understand for me |
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| 13:40.45 | ompaul | haoyihuan: old stable - stable - testing - unstable (sid) - experimental |
| 13:40.46 | fasta | haoyihuan: Debian Experimental is the first place where things enter Debian. |
| 13:41.12 | haoyihuan | ok. thanks |
| 13:41.14 | fasta | haoyihuan: it's almost expected that it shouldn't work at that point. |
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| 13:41.49 | fasta | haoyihuan: it's in particular not meant to be run in production. |
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| 13:42.20 | fasta | haoyihuan: it's however possible, but probably also not useful to use it for Debian specfic development. |
| 13:42.41 | fasta | AFAIK, unstable and testing are bleeding edge enough for most development. |
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| 13:43.41 | gintonicool | hello ,guys |
| 13:43.43 | nkuttler | haoyihuan: no, packages don't enter debian through experimental. it's an experimental repositor, separate from the rest |
| 13:44.10 | gintonicool | how can i open website like youtube |
| 13:44.29 | nkuttler | haoyihuan: only a very limit number of packages are in experimental |
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| 13:44.56 | nkuttler | gintonicool: do you mean how to install flash |
| 13:44.57 | gintonicool | my ISP has blocked me connect to foreign website |
| 13:45.11 | gintonicool | no |
| 13:45.24 | nkuttler | gintonicool: you probably want a proxy.. or a vpn or some sort of tunnel |
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| 13:45.39 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,i mean i can open foreign in my country |
| 13:45.48 | gintonicool | i know |
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| 13:46.07 | nkuttler | gintonicool: so what's the question? |
| 13:46.20 | gintonicool | so ,tell me please ,how can i get the proxy.thank you |
| 13:46.41 | gintonicool | I NEED PROXY |
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| 13:48.01 | gintonicool | i do not know which proxy is valid ,is it package or website ? |
| 13:48.17 | nkuttler | gintonicool: please don't pm, and don't use ALL CAPS |
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| 13:49.05 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,would you mind we talk each other in private ? |
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| 13:49.56 | haoyihuan | fasta : will experimental enter debian later ? |
| 13:50.00 | gintonicool | what's pm ,and what's ALL CAPS |
| 13:50.07 | ompaul | haoyihuan: maybe |
| 13:50.31 | ompaul | haoyihuan: if it doesn't break and so on usually it will be overtaken by something a bit more sane hitting unstable |
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| 13:51.07 | ompaul | haoyihuan: look at it as I think I'll get something that might be in debian stable next release and then sometimes you get to say "DOH!" |
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| 13:51.22 | nkuttler | gintonicool: try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_circumvention |
| 13:51.43 | nkuttler | gintonicool: if that's blocked for you i'll paste you the content |
| 13:52.29 | gintonicool | i can open the website ,then ? |
| 13:52.38 | nkuttler | gintonicool: try #chinalug, maybe they can help you |
| 13:52.49 | ompaul | nkuttler: make it hidden and short pastebin |
| 13:52.50 | gintonicool | what ? |
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| 13:53.20 | nkuttler | gintonicool: if you can open it read it |
| 13:53.24 | xylon2 | why doesn't declare -g work on Debian? |
| 13:53.43 | gintonicool | you mean i should join #chinalug and give my question ? |
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| 13:54.06 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,sorry ,i'm poor in english . |
| 13:54.09 | gintonicool | really |
| 13:54.21 | nkuttler | gintonicool: well... assuming your country doesn't monitor IRC.. |
| 13:55.19 | gintonicool | I DO NOT CARE WHETHER OR NOT MY COUNTRY SPY MY IRC , |
| 13:55.52 | haoyihuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.22 | gintonicool | knuttler ,tell me in short ,what should i do . |
| 13:56.41 | nkuttler | gintonicool: which country are you from? |
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| 13:57.00 | haoyihuan | there are some problems, while i run "sudo debootstrap --arch i386 sid /media/documents/sid-32/ http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn/debian" |
| 13:57.01 | gintonicool | THE HELL CHINA . |
| 13:57.12 | nkuttler | oh whatever |
| 13:57.32 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,I'M FROM THE FUCK CHINA ,SO ,,,,? |
| 13:57.38 | haoyihuan | notes :W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/documents/sid-32 dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_6.9_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.24_i386.deb |
| 13:57.57 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,can you help me ? |
| 13:58.08 | xylon2 | gintonicool: ask in #tinc, they helped me get past my IPS's blocks once |
| 13:58.16 | xylon2 | but you will need a VPS |
| 13:58.18 | zumbi | haoyihuan: I've seen that one before |
| 13:58.31 | gintonicool | i'm good man ,i just want to open some foreign website |
| 13:58.41 | zumbi | haoyihuan: you might need to hack /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/sid file |
| 13:58.54 | haoyihuan | how to deal with it |
| 13:59.14 | haoyihuan | zumbi how |
| 13:59.26 | zumbi | haoyihuan: split ' x_core_install base-files base-passwd' in two lines |
| 13:59.37 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,would you mind talk to me in private ???? |
| 13:59.54 | zumbi | haoyihuan: not sure which one goes first x_core_install base-passwd ; x_core_install base-files ; |
| 14:00.00 | gintonicool | nkuttler ,come on ,man |
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| 14:00.29 | zumbi | haoyihuan: are you using http mirror? |
| 14:00.44 | haoyihuan | yes |
| 14:00.52 | zumbi | haoyihuan: I have only seen it using local mirror |
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| 14:02.43 | zumbi | haoyihuan: please, let me know if that fixes your problem |
| 14:03.09 | zumbi | btw, any reprepro experts in the room? |
| 14:03.10 | haoyihuan | repeat the command |
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| 14:03.26 | haoyihuan | waiting |
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| 14:03.56 | zumbi | haoyihuan: if it fails you might need base-files before base-passwd, I cant remember.. let me check it out |
| 14:04.03 | haoyihuan | can not solve it |
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| 14:04.21 | haoyihuan | en repeat it too |
| 14:05.05 | zumbi | haoyihuan: yes, I got base-passwd before base-files |
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| 14:06.42 | haoyihuan | not resolve it yet |
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| 14:07.05 | Lukemob | hello, anybody using Xen.. I've got a problem, I get always both TAP and VIF device setup with HVM guest.. thats ok, but the routing is setup for the VIF, where is no traffic.. |
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| 14:10.23 | haoyihuan | zumbi "x_core_install base-passwd ; x_core_install base-files " and "x_core_install base-files ; x_core_install base-passwd" can not deal with it |
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| 14:20.04 | redguy | hi, is there a way to see initscripts output on a headless machine? |
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| 14:20.27 | redguy | perhaps some kind of boot logging ? |
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| 14:28.33 | zumbi | haoyihuan: then that might be unrelated to what I was expecting |
| 14:28.35 | rgr | Just wondering if there are any murmurs about a backporting libimobiledevice 1.1.1 to squeeze so that iPhones > 5.0 can actually tether over USB correctly? The wiki details doing it oneself but it suggests asking about an official backport. Since I can tether over wireless its not so critical but a usb tether owuld be nicer still. |
| 14:28.39 | babilen | !tell redguy about bootlog |
| 14:28.46 | redguy | hmm, no way to log initscript messages? |
| 14:29.00 | redguy | ah, thanks babilen |
| 14:29.14 | babilen | np |
| 14:30.11 | babilen | rgr: You can backport that library to squeeze pretty easily yourself (/msg dpkg ssb), but I guess that applications would have to be recompiled against it in order to use the new version. |
| 14:30.37 | rgr | its far from easy as the wiki says since of further dependencies. |
| 14:30.40 | xLinkz0 | can i get new stuff on the stable build? bpython has a lot of bugs in the stable version |
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| 14:31.22 | babilen | ,checkbackport libimobiledevice |
| 14:31.23 | judd | Backporting package libimobiledevice in sidāsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 14:31.36 | rgr | xlinkz0: yes many ways. backports are one. |
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| 14:31.49 | babilen | rgr: ^^^ It is not AFAICT as all the build dependencies are satisfied. Which wiki are you referring to? |
| 14:32.03 | haoyihuan | zubi maybe thanks |
| 14:32.15 | rgr | the iphone debian page. http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone#backporting_libimobiledevice_1.1.1_to_Squeeze |
| 14:32.33 | babilen | xLinkz0: You can backport bpython from sid. See "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on how to do that. |
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| 14:33.16 | xLinkz0 | ty |
| 14:33.44 | rgr | people who ask about backports cant realistically be expected to actually create a backport ;) Hmm, messing with backkportts hosed my dependencies before. I'll stick with the wireless tether for now. Thanks for your susggestions. |
| 14:33.54 | babilen | rgr: Those instructions are much more complicated than they need to be. My initial statement that you have to recompile applications against the new version of the library does, however, still stand. |
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| 14:39.09 | haoyihuan | zumbi i wrote the error at :http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=79785 |
| 14:39.51 | boston8372 | anyone know how to force / allow a process to use more cpu utilization |
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| 14:40.16 | boston8372 | problem is that it is java. keeps running new pid's and they exit and another starts up |
| 14:40.47 | boston8372 | so it is more like hey command line = "java" us as much as u want |
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| 14:43.57 | zumbi | haoyihuan: thanks, I'll follow, there is something fishy there |
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| 14:46.28 | haoyihuan | zumbi what's meaning "there is something fishy there" ? |
| 14:46.44 | sfsf32 | How is it possibile that the bug does not allow for icedove to open links in browser has not been fixed yet? A so severe bug in the stable branch after more than a year since the release ... |
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| 14:53.41 | boston8372 | ok how do i show iowait on debian |
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| 14:56.18 | krion | boston8372: try iotop |
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| 15:03.03 | armetiz | hi there |
| 15:03.14 | armetiz | do you know Debian Lenny repo to be able to download package ? |
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| 15:03.51 | babilen | !tell armetiz about lenny |
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| 15:04.40 | babilen | armetiz: Lenny has been EOLed some time ago and you should upgrade to squeeze *now*. The procedure is detailed in the release notes (/msg dpkg release note), but please also read the factoid dpkg just told you about. |
| 15:05.20 | armetiz | babilen, i know that, I want to re-install this server from scratch |
| 15:05.43 | babilen | armetiz: Why don't you install squeeze? |
| 15:05.47 | armetiz | but, I think I have some backdoor and I just want to install an backdoor tool kit, but.. If there is no repo I'll compile it |
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| 15:06.20 | themill | armetiz: umm... none of that makes any sense at all |
| 15:06.30 | armetiz | :p |
| 15:07.34 | babilen | armetiz: Please read what dpkg just told you and tell us what you want to do. I still don't see why installing a new server requires lenny (as you can (and should!) use squeeze) or a backdoor of some sort. |
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| 15:11.28 | mKn0wt | hi does anyone know a good paper to configure multiple local domains in one ip address? |
| 15:12.07 | nkuttler | mKn0wt: what do you mean by local domain? |
| 15:12.14 | nkuttler | smb stuff? |
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| 15:13.20 | mKn0wt | nkuttler: local wiki, intranet but with domain name |
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| 15:14.14 | nkuttler | mKn0wt: do you use a dhcpd? |
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| 15:14.41 | nkuttler | oh multiple.. well.. hardcoding in /etc/hosts would work i guess |
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| 15:17.57 | mKn0wt | nkuttler: that options i need to put every ip of the clients that will acces the domains |
| 15:18.46 | nkuttler | mKn0wt: why would you need multiple domains or hostnames anyway? |
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| 15:22.12 | mKn0wt | nkuttler: to use domains instead ip |
| 15:22.25 | mKn0wt | asier for the users . |
| 15:22.26 | debclair | Hi, after a dist upgrade to Wheezy I have a gnome3 desktop running but 777 packages are still having dependency problems and not installing using apt-get -f upgrade, apt-get -f dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade. |
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| 15:22.54 | themill | debclair: can you stick the full output of "aptitude -f full-upgrade" into a pastebin? |
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| 15:23.57 | debclair | themill, http://pastebin.com/1Y4sLS3z |
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| 15:24.27 | debclair | themill, it says all those packages are actually installed put pending configuration due to dependency problems |
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| 15:25.45 | themill | debclair: sure -- let's deal with the first error though and I suspect that will solve the rest. "rmdir: failed to remove `/var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/': Directory not empty" |
| 15:26.15 | themill | debclair: can you pastebin the output of "ls -l /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/"? |
| 15:26.45 | sfsf32 | How is it possibile that the bug does not allow for icedove to open links in browser has not been fixed yet? A so severe bug in the stable branch after more than a year since the release ... |
| 15:27.07 | themill | sfsf32: bug number? |
| 15:27.55 | debclair | themill, total 4-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3647 Jun 24 2011 id-cache, only that |
| 15:28.29 | themill | debclair: either remove that file or remove the entire directory and you should be fine from there |
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| 15:29.18 | debclair | themill, wow, its working, thanks a lot :D |
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| 15:29.58 | sfsf32 | themill, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566819 |
| 15:30.12 | Rainb | How to install gcc in debian? |
| 15:30.32 | ksk | Rainb: aptitude install gcc |
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| 15:30.38 | ksk | !tell Rainb about aptitude |
| 15:31.11 | ksk | if you ask how to install a package you might _not_ want to compile stuff from source ;) |
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| 15:31.49 | Rainb | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 15:32.09 | valdyn | Rainb: the first error is the one that counts |
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| 15:32.38 | Rainb | Err http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze/main libc-dev-bin i386 2.11.3-2 404 Not Found |
| 15:33.19 | justin | Rainb: did you run apt-get update ? |
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| 15:33.47 | valdyn | sfsf32: thats hardly a critical bug |
| 15:34.00 | valdyn | sfsf32: and its still there because its not a critical bug |
| 15:34.02 | Rainb | Running |
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| 15:34.37 | themill | sfsf32: it looks like that bug only affects some people and only certain upgrade scenarios with certain desktop environment settings. Annoying if you're hit by it, but not the sort of thing that is likely to be fixed in a stable release. |
| 15:35.31 | sfsf32 | valdyn, maybe it's not a critical bug but for everyday usage is a very annoiyng bug. A well tested distribution like debian stable shouldn't have a such bug |
| 15:35.56 | valdyn | sfsf32: looks like you dont understand debian |
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| 15:36.09 | valdyn | sfsf32: theres a *ton* of bugs like that, and they are not going to be fixed in stable |
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| 15:42.02 | themill | sfsf32: things are only as well tested as the volunteers who are doing the testing make them... perhaps you have the motivation and skills to help test wheezy prior to its release...? |
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| 15:49.13 | xLinkz0 | if the backport of a package is the same version as the normal one , does that mean there is no backport? |
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| 15:50.18 | xLinkz0 | or am i installing it wrong? for me 'apt-cache -t squeeze-backports show bpython' and 'apt-cache show bpython' give the same version |
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| 15:50.50 | engla | xLinkz0: apt-cache policy bpython |
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| 15:51.08 | engla | xLinkz0: (that will show all available versions) |
| 15:51.22 | xLinkz0 | from backport and stable both? |
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| 15:51.29 | engla | from all your repositories |
| 15:51.39 | xLinkz0 | :( |
| 15:51.50 | xLinkz0 | thanks |
| 15:52.06 | debclair | themill, hi, everything went well, now only evince is complaning that it can't find a library dependency, and it prevents gnome-core from finishing installing |
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| 15:53.19 | themill | debclair: can you stick the full output of "aptitude full-upgrade" in a pastebin again? |
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| 15:54.12 | themill | xLinkz0: "aptitude show" respects -t and only shows you the candidate version; apt-cache show always shows all versions |
| 15:54.34 | themill | xLinkz0: (also, there is no backport of that package) |
| 15:54.39 | xLinkz0 | good to know |
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| 15:58.23 | playsexwebcam | playsexwebcam.com entry here and get 120 credits free for chat, more guys and girls |
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| 15:59.00 | ikonia | !ops | playsexwebcam porn spammer |
| 15:59.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ikonia complains about: | playsexwebcam porn spammer |
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| 15:59.36 | debclair | themill, http://pastebin.com/pLFx51W0 |
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| 16:00.48 | n-iCe | hello, how can I know if my machine detects my sound card? I did a minimal netinstall |
| 16:01.10 | petemc | aplay -l |
| 16:03.21 | themill | debclair: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy evince libevince3-3 evince-common" for me? |
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| 16:05.42 | debclair | themill, http://pastebin.com/r80wXW3X |
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| 16:07.11 | mckendricks | I'm looking for a place to grab an ISO of 5.0.9, but most of the mirrors are all 6.x, does anyone know where I can find a 64 bit US lenny CD sized ISO? |
| 16:07.46 | n-iCe | petemc: no soundcards found o.O |
| 16:07.51 | themill | debclair: see if "aptitude install evince=3.4.0-2" sorts it out. (I don't know why it's not doing that on its own) |
| 16:08.24 | n-iCe | petemc: how can I detect and install my card drivers? |
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| 16:08.31 | themill | mckendricks: I presume you're wanting to install lenny to (belatedly) test your lenny->squeeze upgrade in a VM.... /msg dpkg lenny iso |
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| 16:09.03 | nkuttler | n-iCe: lspci |
| 16:09.12 | n-iCe | pathcl: lspci shows: Multimedia audio controller: ESS technology es1988 allegro-1 |
| 16:09.15 | mckendricks | themill: our site is hosted on a lenny server, so I'd like to mimic the env |
| 16:09.22 | n-iCe | nkuttler: pathcl: lspci shows: Multimedia audio controller: ESS technology es1988 allegro-1 |
| 16:09.39 | nkuttler | n-iCe: no need to repeat. lsmod | grep snd |
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| 16:09.43 | themill | mckendricks: lenny hasn't received any security support for some months now... it's well past the time to be doing a lenny->squeeze upgrade. |
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| 16:10.05 | nkuttler | n-iCe: please use a pastebin btw |
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| 16:11.06 | debclair | themill, keeps complaining about libevince3-3, but trying it has no candidate for installation http://pastebin.com/n6UTGZqa |
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| 16:12.01 | mckendricks | themill: I don't have control of the server, otherwise, I would do the upgrade |
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| 16:12.27 | themill | mckendricks: time to cluebat the person who does, then... and make sure you're not the one who will carry the can for not looking after it properly. |
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| 16:13.40 | themill | debclair: let's rip evince out and have another go... forcing things is ugly, but I can't see why aptitude doesn't want to do this on its own. try "dpkg -r --force-depends evince evince-common; aptitude install evince=3.4.0-2" |
| 16:13.41 | mckendricks | themill: :) |
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| 16:14.13 | torroella | Hi nkuttler I'm n-iCe from the sound card machine |
| 16:14.22 | ompaul | mckendricks: might be more profitable to install squeeze, gobble the database / site / whatever it does or a sample thereof, after that create a working version showing a new install gives no sore brain |
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| 16:16.13 | debclair | themill, it worked! that command deleted the package and attempted to install it again forcing the installation of dependency packages? |
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| 16:17.33 | themill | debclair: yeah, it forced dpkg to uninstall the evince packages and then asked aptitude to clean up the mess that was left. Generally, you never should use any amount of --force for anything with dpkg or apt as you're just asking for trouble, but given that we were going to immediately have apt fix the problem, it's not so bad. |
| 16:18.48 | debclair | themill, oh ok, thanks a lot for your help, now I have Wheezy fully installed. Thanks again n_n |
| 16:18.57 | themill | no worries -- have fun with it! |
| 16:18.58 | torroella | nkuttler: you here? |
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| 16:21.01 | torroella | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/t3Nui3sL |
| 16:21.41 | xLinkz0 | there is no backport for python-urwid as well? |
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| 16:22.09 | nkuttler | torroella: looks fine. output of aplay -l ? |
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| 16:23.01 | themill | xLinkz0: no, and it would be a non-trivial one to make. That said, there's not much changed between the version in squeeze and sid, is there? |
| 16:23.29 | xLinkz0 | i have no idea but i think i need the newer one |
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| 16:25.13 | torroella | aplay: device_list:235: no soundcards found... nkuttler |
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| 16:25.39 | nkuttler | torroella: whole output. aplay -L as well |
| 16:26.00 | torroella | nkuttler: null Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) |
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| 16:29.36 | xLinkz0 | themill: could you give me a link on how to do it? |
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| 16:29.56 | themill | xLinkz0: you can "/msg dpkg ssb" but you will find that this one is not "simple" at all. |
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| 16:32.37 | n-iCe | What do you think nkuttler |
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| 16:53.10 | n-iCe | nkuttler: I solved it, sound works now :) |
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| 16:59.36 | _Sam-- | using incrontab -- does a file who's state is "IN_CREATE", mean that the file is fully written and created? |
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| 17:09.34 | justin | _Sam--: you probably want the IN_CLOSE_WRITE |
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| 17:09.58 | n-iCe | what would be the best browser for openbox |
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| 17:11.54 | _Sam-- | justin : THANKS. when using IN_CREATE with IN_CLOSE_WRITE -- right now i am just logging events to syslog, but the same events are showing like 20 times per event.... |
| 17:12.01 | _Sam-- | is that normal? |
| 17:12.41 | _Sam-- | example: http://www.pastie.org/3951017 |
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| 17:14.31 | born2troll | i need to get a newer version of the kernel module "atl1c" than debian stable. Whats the best way to do it? what package is this module in? |
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| 17:15.31 | justin | _Sam--: in_close_write only fires once when I use it |
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| 17:17.49 | born2troll | i need to get a newer version of the kernel module "atl1c" than debian stable. Whats the best way to do it? what package is this module in? |
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| 17:19.24 | nkuttler | born2troll: that's a kernel module |
| 17:19.51 | nkuttler | !tell born2troll about backports |
| 17:19.57 | nkuttler | born2troll: i guess there should be one in backports |
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| 17:20.43 | _Sam-- | justin: any idea what would cause this? incrontab entry at top / syslog below it: http://www.pastie.org/3951040 |
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| 17:21.14 | resixian | i did some updates yesterday, now i can not 'su' it asks for password and then just hangs. |
| 17:21.52 | resixian | su by itself or `su -c ls` both hang |
| 17:21.55 | nkuttler | resixian: su would be pretty broken if it didn't ask for a password |
| 17:22.14 | resixian | nkuttler: srsly? |
| 17:22.51 | resixian | i can't ^C it either, have to kill <pidof su> to break out |
| 17:23.18 | born2troll | nkuttler, probably cause it had a bug but i dont know the package name... would u mind to help an noob =) |
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| 17:26.39 | nkuttler | born2troll: kernel-image-foo |
| 17:26.47 | nkuttler | born2troll: er, linux-image-foo |
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| 17:30.50 | resixian | `sudo passwd` also fails.. maybe sth corrup in shadow? |
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| 17:31.13 | SmashingX | I think my server has been hacked, what logs should I look at to see if the hacker modified filesd? |
| 17:31.24 | n-iCe | how can I run this internet radio streamign in mplayer in command http://www.sky.fm/play/newage |
| 17:32.02 | resixian | n-iCe: mplayer -demuxer <demuxertype> <url> |
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| 17:33.49 | resixian | n-iCe: probably check `mplayer -audio-demuxer help` to see what dmeuxer |
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| 17:37.26 | resixian | hm, yeha. all calls to passwd fail here now |
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| 17:39.02 | resixian | fixed it |
| 17:39.04 | karlpinc | SmashingX: You can compare with a backup. If you were really cracked then the attacker can cover up everything and you need to restore from backup. |
| 17:39.23 | SmashingX | I didn't have a backup |
| 17:39.28 | SmashingX | I just want to see the logsd |
| 17:39.39 | SmashingX | but I don't know which logs may be helpful |
| 17:40.03 | resixian | so i installed bacula yesterday and it must not have terminated /etc/passwd correctly. because adding a newline to it fixed things |
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| 17:41.20 | karlpinc | SmashingX: /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/wtmp is where logins are logged, but of course the files are writable and entries can be erased. Likewise ~/.bash_history, for your users and for root. |
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| 17:41.49 | resixian | SmashingX: what makes you think you were hacked? |
| 17:42.17 | SmashingX | karlpinc: But the files are writable only for root right? |
| 17:42.37 | karlpinc | SmashingX: Yes. |
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| 17:42.42 | born2troll | nkuttler, thx my network is connecting now but my wlan still dont works... any idea what it could be? maybe the module not installed? |
| 17:43.10 | SmashingX | karlpinc: then I think the hacker can't erase the files because I don't think he has root powers |
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| 17:44.36 | SmashingX | I have auth.log auth.log.1.gz auth.log.2.gz etc. |
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| 17:44.46 | SmashingX | Do you know which one is the most recent and so on? |
| 17:44.52 | resixian | auth.log |
| 17:44.57 | SmashingX | ok cool |
| 17:45.09 | resixian | the others are compressed and rotated (probably) due to logrotate |
| 17:45.10 | SmashingX | then auth.1 |
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| 17:45.15 | SmashingX | right? |
| 17:45.15 | resixian | yeah |
| 17:45.20 | SmashingX | ok thanks |
| 17:45.22 | MinaKumar | yeaaah |
| 17:45.27 | MinaKumar | you are welcome SmashingX |
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| 17:51.41 | resixian | <<>> jj |
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| 17:55.57 | MinaKumar | oh, what a day, it's raining |
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| 17:59.31 | born2troll | nkuttler, soved it... company who made that wlan is a closed source nazi... had to install the closed source driver manually |
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| 18:01.06 | MinaKumar | born2troll: good for you |
| 18:01.28 | SmashingX | karlpinc: What do you think would be important to look for in auth.log? |
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| 18:06.09 | born2troll | MinaKumar, no actually not but does not really matter |
| 18:06.09 | MinaKumar | SmashingX: your mother's name |
| 18:06.45 | SmashingX | why no somebody ban this mot"Ā·$"%" |
| 18:07.18 | raptor67682 | hi how to know the temperature of teh CPU and the level of usb of USB electricity ? |
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| 18:07.51 | MinaKumar | raptor67682: use a thermometer |
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| 18:08.48 | SmashingX | what would be the log to look if I want to see if the hacker modified files in my server' |
| 18:09.22 | dawud | raptor67682: sensor-detect(8) and sensors(1) for CPU temperature, usually thanks to coretemp module |
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| 18:09.51 | MinaKumar | SmashingX: /etc/hacker |
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| 18:10.28 | dawud | SmashingX: most of them :) Seriously now, start by unplugging in from the net if you are worried about integrity |
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| 18:11.18 | dawud | SmashingX: then use some rootkit detector for a start |
| 18:11.42 | SmashingX | dawud: Do you know of any software that I can run from another server? |
| 18:11.52 | SmashingX | because I can't install anything on the server |
| 18:12.09 | justin | SmashingX: debsums can't hurt |
| 18:12.11 | dawud | SmashingX: you can always use a live-cd |
| 18:12.18 | Leave_This_Place | Hey guys I read that it's ok to use two different dists (stable and testing or testing and unstable) but not three (stable testing and unstable). would using Stable, Testing and Stable-backports be considered using three different dists? |
| 18:12.18 | SmashingX | live cd? |
| 18:12.31 | SmashingX | dawud: but I don't have the server with me |
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| 18:12.51 | dawud | SmashingX: ok |
| 18:13.09 | SmashingX | is there any software that can scan my server remotely? |
| 18:13.11 | dawud | SmashingX: I assume you don't have any IDS installed either |
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| 18:13.39 | SmashingX | that's what I'm asking |
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| 18:13.55 | dawud | SmashingX: _in_ the server |
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| 18:14.13 | SmashingX | of course no |
| 18:14.23 | sirlon | Hi all |
| 18:14.25 | sirlon | Would anyone know how to stop sendmail delivering email sent with the same domain name internally? Is it a case of changing the server hostname, or is there another way? |
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| 18:14.55 | MinaKumar | hi sirlon , what's up? |
| 18:15.06 | SmashingX | but what would be the log to look to see if the hacker modified a fie? |
| 18:15.11 | SmashingX | file |
| 18:15.14 | dawud | SmashingX: there is no way no be sure that anybody broke into and didn't clean up thoughroughly |
| 18:15.16 | MinaKumar | sirlon: kill -9 that application |
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| 18:15.50 | dawud | MinaKumar: stupidness is not something to be proud of |
| 18:15.55 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: mixing squeeze with testing will convert portions of your system to testing, depending on how many packages / dependencies are updated |
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| 18:16.05 | SmashingX | dawud: well I have the logs and if the logs go for more than a month I don't think the hacker had erased that |
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| 18:16.13 | sirlon | MinaKuma: I'll pass on that ta. |
| 18:16.17 | MinaKumar | dawud: I ain't proud of nothing. Arabs are stupids. |
| 18:16.30 | dawud | SmashingX: not erased, but modified |
| 18:16.46 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: adding backports to the mix, i'd imagine you'll run into dependency problems and end up with testing |
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| 18:17.37 | SmashingX | dawud: Yeah you're right but anyway do you know of any log that I can look at to see if he modified something? |
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| 18:18.15 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: that being said, i sometimes do hit-and-run with the unstable repo, upgrading selected packages to latest, then revert sources to squeeze |
| 18:18.40 | Leave_This_Place | Korkman i'm trying to keep as much of a Stable environment as possible with a few exceptions of Testing/Backport applications. is it better to just stick to testing or backports instead of doing all three? |
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| 18:18.58 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: yes definitely |
| 18:19.01 | craigevil | Leave_This_Place, backport the packages you might need /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:19.53 | dawud | SmashingX: it's quite unlikely that you may found evidence in a log, unless the perpetrator was sloppy, but, check all of your shell history and /var/log/auth.log to see if you can find weird authentication attempts |
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| 18:20.12 | Leave_This_Place | korkman: when you say revert sources, how do you mean? the build essentials? |
| 18:20.50 | SmashingX | dawud: how can I check the shell history? |
| 18:20.58 | sirlon | Just a quick one, does anyone know how to configure sendmail to route email to the same hostname externally instead of trying to deliver it internally on the server? |
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| 18:21.23 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: well i add unstable, perform updates on some packages, then remove unstable again. that's a bad habit, actually, and one must track security closely with that approach. |
| 18:21.58 | dawud | SmashingX: fisrt find out the shell of your users (defaults to bash, and you see it in /etc/passwd), the check for $HOME/.bash_history and friends |
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| 18:22.18 | lev_ | Hey everyone I had somethign wierd happen and I was wondering if anyone else has experiences this or knows a fix. I tried to search through various support sources and still have not seen the answer. I install debian stable on a samsung laptop and everythign went through perfectly. After rebooting the screen simply flashed on and off -- it seemed like the computer was resetting itself. I could not do anything or enter the shell. Also I know that the CD is fine |
| 18:22.19 | lev_ | because I installed it on a desktop and there were no issues. |
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| 18:22.39 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: but i do have security updates available that way, either through stable or unstable |
| 18:22.44 | SmashingX | dawud: ok thanks |
| 18:22.56 | dawud | SmashingX: no problem |
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| 18:23.08 | SmashingX | dawud: I'm a newbie so I hope I understand the bash terminology |
| 18:23.09 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: testing can have security issues for prolonged times |
| 18:23.20 | dawud | SmashingX: man bash is your friend |
| 18:23.45 | SmashingX | ok but if I don't know what the bash is I don't know ho my friend is |
| 18:24.15 | Leave_This_Place | korkman: that's fine, i'm essentially only using testing for a few non system-related packages, like weechat |
| 18:24.18 | dawud | SmashingX: ? |
| 18:24.31 | SmashingX | dawud: whaT? |
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| 18:24.49 | dawud | SmashingX > ok but if I don't know what the bash is I don't know ho my friend is <---- what does this mean? |
| 18:25.23 | amphi | means he had no idea what bash is, methinks |
| 18:25.25 | SmashingX | basically I don't know what are you talking about when you say bash |
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| 18:26.03 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
| 18:26.12 | dawud | SmashingX: bash is your shell, that black screen you use to enter commands, similar to DOS |
| 18:26.12 | amphi | SmashingX: it's your shell; that which, in your terminal, accepts and executes your commands, or throws them back in your face |
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| 18:26.24 | resixian | SmashingX: sorry, you should probably not be admin'ing a remote linux server then |
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| 18:26.38 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: well worst thing that can happen is you get conflicting dependencies in aptitude / synaptic which you must resolve by hand, so don't worry too much |
| 18:26.38 | raptor67682 | thank you for the tempertaure cpu information |
| 18:26.41 | pokjn13579 | Do the DVD install images include firmware? |
| 18:26.45 | amphi | dawud: you show your age ;) |
| 18:26.47 | SmashingX | resixian: But I am and I need to |
| 18:27.04 | raptor67682 | and what about how to monitor the USB charge / electricity / power useage to know if my usb ask too much ? |
| 18:27.11 | rainb | How to save something permanently |
| 18:27.13 | rainb | ? |
| 18:27.14 | dvs | pokjn13579: no |
| 18:27.14 | resixian | SmashingX: ok, install debian on a local virtual machine, then follow some tutorials |
| 18:27.16 | Leave_This_Place | korkman: thats what i've been running into, but mainly from debian-backports requiring older packages than even what stable uses |
| 18:27.17 | raptor67682 | and what about how to monitor the USB charge / electricity / power useage to know if my usb ask too much ? |
| 18:27.17 | korkman | Leave_This_Place: just don't let testing uninstall your network :-) ifupdown was somewhat lost recently |
| 18:27.22 | dawud | amphi: oh, crap :) |
| 18:27.26 | rainb | Is that I'm booting from usb |
| 18:27.38 | raptor67682 | (if my usb devices ask / use too much of power) |
| 18:27.44 | rainb | and everything I do get's deleted |
| 18:27.49 | Leave_This_Place | korkman: yeah, i'm not retarded :) i maintain a series of backups at all times |
| 18:27.57 | resixian | SmashingX: i'm not an elitist or anything, but you could very well be breaking more than you are helping until you learn a few basics |
| 18:28.03 | pokjn13579 | Oh well, ethernet it is. |
| 18:28.15 | amphi | dawud: teehee |
| 18:28.17 | resixian | raptor67682: idk anything that will monitor that except if the device is shutting down |
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| 18:28.48 | resixian | most mobo voltage monitors are watching cpu/gpu not the peripherals |
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| 18:30.16 | n-iCe | can't find groups in debian |
| 18:30.20 | n-iCe | is not in etc? |
| 18:30.39 | resixian | n-iCe: /etc/group ? |
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| 18:30.42 | raptor67682 | resixian: I talk about USB devices, if it requires too much ... in terms of power relative to what can give the power |
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| 18:31.10 | resixian | raptor67682: yeah i understand, but i don't know of anything the monitors usb voltage |
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| 18:31.37 | frikinz_ | How to install a daemon through say aptitude but not have it started? Is there something simpler than /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d ? |
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| 18:32.25 | devios | i can't seem to find mediainfo in apt-cache search |
| 18:32.36 | frikinz_ | raptor67682: if its a laptop you could measure the difference on consumption on the battery.. |
| 18:32.52 | dawud | resixian: mbmon claims to have voltage monitoring capabilities (mobo dependent, though) |
| 18:33.15 | SmashingX | resixian: But I have been using debian, ubuntu and LMDE for 3 years so I don't think I can break something |
| 18:33.30 | dawud | frikinz_: you can use insserv, chkconfig or any other interface to sysvinit |
| 18:33.31 | dvs | devios: It's in debian multimedia |
| 18:33.47 | resixian | dvs: cool |
| 18:34.01 | resixian | SmashingX: i cant believe you have used linux for 3 years and have no idea what bash is |
| 18:34.14 | dawud | SmashingX: you don't even know what a shell is, I seriously doubt you are in shape for any administration at the moment |
| 18:34.15 | frikinz_ | dawud: does it help to have the daemon not started _exactly_ when installed? I don't care about further startups |
| 18:34.27 | dawud | frikinz_: no |
| 18:34.29 | devios | dvs: thx - gotta figure out how to add that now |
| 18:34.36 | SmashingX | dawud: How many more years do I need to be admin then? |
| 18:34.41 | dvs | !tell devios about multimedia |
| 18:34.44 | dawud | SmashingX: 10.000 hours |
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| 18:34.58 | SmashingX | mhh |
| 18:35.04 | SmashingX | is 3 years about that time? |
| 18:35.13 | MinaKumar | SmashingX: you want to be a admin?! you can't even clean your ass |
| 18:35.31 | Leave_This_Place | who is this MinaKumar |
| 18:35.37 | dawud | Leave_This_Place: a troll |
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| 18:35.51 | MinaKumar | SmashingX: type python in terminal ! it's like a calculator :D lol |
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| 18:36.01 | SmashingX | why nobody bans this fuc$"Ā·$ |
| 18:36.08 | resixian | SmashingX: its not about time. sitting staring at gnome+ubuntu isnt the same. we are not criticizing you, but you would be better served to learn first |
| 18:36.10 | Leave_This_Place | dawud: seems like a sad little man throwing rocks at busy people walking by |
| 18:36.11 | resixian | !ops |
| 18:36.12 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 18:36.13 | dawud | SmashingX: just ignore it |
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| 18:36.26 | mrbean | Hi, my machine has kde and when I log in thru vnc I have gnome. How come? |
| 18:36.34 | Leave_This_Place | dawud: when has ignoring a problem ever fixed it |
| 18:36.37 | resixian | dpkg: ops MinaKumar |
| 18:36.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: resixian complains about: MinaKumar |
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| 18:37.08 | resixian | pats self on back |
| 18:37.13 | dawud | Leave_This_Place: got no ops power, so I take the easy pleasant way |
| 18:37.18 | dvs | !beer resixian |
| 18:37.18 | dpkg | pours a quart of Piraat for resixian |
| 18:37.27 | resixian | tyvm |
| 18:37.38 | resixian | !beer everyone |
| 18:37.38 | dpkg | pours a quart of Older Viscosity for everyone |
| 18:38.01 | Leave_This_Place | mmm 5-30w of pennzoil |
| 18:38.24 | resixian | lol, i'm searching if older viscosity is actually a beer |
| 18:38.34 | devios | dvs: "why not dmm" scares me :-( what's the safest way to install mediainfo, you think? i downloaded the .deb and when i tried to install it i saw: mediainfo depends on libmediainfo0 (>= 0.7.57); however: Package libmediainfo0 is not installed., mediainfo depends on libzen0 (>= 0.4.25); however: Package libzen0 is not installed. |
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| 18:38.57 | Leave_This_Place | sounds like an engine oil |
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| 18:39.02 | resixian | Leave_This_Place: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5318/34094 |
| 18:39.04 | devios | dvs: i cant remember how to figure out which packages provide those |
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| 18:39.24 | dawud | devios: apt-file search ? |
| 18:39.36 | Leave_This_Place | resixian: interesting.. they fail when it comes to having an appetizing name though :) |
| 18:39.42 | resixian | Leave_This_Place: indeed |
| 18:40.03 | craigevil | devios, use the dmm repo to install it |
| 18:40.05 | devios | dawud: apt-cache? |
| 18:40.18 | dvs | devios: I've been using multimedia for years and haven't had any problems |
| 18:40.20 | Leave_This_Place | i'm a fan of samuel adams myself.. they're generous with the hops, and it always gets me lightheaded |
| 18:40.44 | resixian | devios: apt-cache search should help |
| 18:40.53 | devios | craigevil: is there a way to use that repo without adding it to /etc/apt/sources.list? i seem to recall being able to do that when i was messing around with gentoo long ago... |
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| 18:41.12 | devios | resixian: apt-cache search didn't find the missing dependencies |
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| 18:41.22 | devios | resixian: probably because they are in dmm |
| 18:41.29 | abrotman | resixian: next time, please include a reason |
| 18:41.30 | craigevil | no, and it wont find the missing depends since they are in the dmm repo |
| 18:41.54 | resixian | abrotman: ok, sorry |
| 18:42.29 | craigevil | devios, although you can try just downloading libmediainfo0 and mediinfo and using dpkg to install |
| 18:42.30 | resixian | devios: ah, sorry. i was only half-assedly paying attention |
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| 18:43.01 | frikinz_ | and use apt-get to fetch the missing bits from official repos |
| 18:43.02 | SmashingX | dawud: bash: cd: .bash_history: Not a directory |
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| 18:43.19 | resixian | ffs i don't think there is a simple bacula tutorial in existence.. |
| 18:43.35 | resixian | SmashingX: .bash_history should be a file. `less ~/.bash_history` |
| 18:43.52 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 18:45.44 | n-iCe | damn I did something wrong |
| 18:45.48 | n-iCe | I can't login to root now |
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| 18:46.10 | resixian | n-iCe: i just had that problem |
| 18:46.41 | n-iCe | tryong to make shutdown work to a normal user |
| 18:46.43 | n-iCe | oh god |
| 18:47.14 | resixian | wouldnt you rather fix the root login problem first |
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| 18:47.36 | n-iCe | chmod 755 /bin/su |
| 18:47.48 | n-iCe | I tryped that, following a tutorial |
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| 18:48.13 | resixian | wtf!? who would do that? |
| 18:48.35 | resixian | why woudl you ever want to write to an installed binary? |
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| 18:49.01 | n-iCe | resixian: don't know |
| 18:49.04 | n-iCe | >.< damn site |
| 18:49.07 | n-iCe | what should I do now?! |
| 18:49.35 | resixian | but anyway i think you just cleared the setuid bit? |
| 18:49.57 | n-iCe | setuid ? |
| 18:50.13 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: add '1' without quotes to your grub line which drops you in init 1 as root would be a way |
| 18:50.37 | resixian | /bin/su should be -r-sr-xr-x |
| 18:50.42 | dawud | frikinz_: ...unles you have a line in inttab that request password for that |
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| 18:51.10 | resixian | at any rate i would try to get login/passwd workign before reboot |
| 18:51.13 | dawud | (I'm all thumbs today :!) |
| 18:51.22 | frikinz_ | dawud: which he can type unless remote :) . actually good that you remind me this cause I forgot to put this feature |
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| 18:51.31 | SmashingX | dawud: What would be a weird authentification attempts in a auth.log file? |
| 18:51.34 | resixian | n-iCe: can you `login <username>` ? |
| 18:51.59 | dawud | SmashingX: that depends on your use, I wouldn't know |
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| 18:52.25 | craigevil | n-iCe, make sure your user is in the powerdev group |
| 18:52.41 | dawud | SmashingX: look for login attempts at weird hours, repeated failed attempts and stuff like that |
| 18:52.43 | devios | dvs craigevil resixian dawud: thanks for the help. here's to hoping dmm doesn't break my server and that i remember dmm is there when i upgrade from squeeze to the next version. :-) |
| 18:52.59 | SmashingX | ok thanks dawud very helpful your information |
| 18:53.02 | SmashingX | :) |
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| 18:53.14 | dawud | SmashingX: no problem |
| 18:53.23 | dvs | devios: The install guide will tell you to comment it out when upgrading. |
| 18:53.27 | g3orge | is there a command to show me the installed packages? I can't find it. |
| 18:53.36 | dawud | g3orge: dpkg -l |
| 18:53.47 | g3orge | thx |
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| 18:54.09 | dawud | g3orge: you can also use aptitude |
| 18:54.11 | spersaud | anyone know if there is a driver for dell 924 printer ? |
| 18:54.18 | spersaud | or how to get that to work ? |
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| 18:55.17 | n-iCe | question craigevil resixian should it be? chmod 4755 /bin/su |
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| 18:55.40 | n-iCe | because I think I can set that in a liveCD |
| 18:55.42 | n-iCe | no? |
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| 18:57.19 | craigevil | i havent a clue about file permissions, this is what it looks like on my system: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 38788 Feb 12 16:57 /bin/su |
| 18:57.20 | resixian | n-iCe: you should be able to, and i have /bin/su as 455 fwiw |
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| 18:57.46 | DammitJim | do I need to be concerned with gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-VKbL2b/pkcs11: No such file or directory ? |
| 18:57.52 | g0to | hello |
| 18:58.05 | resixian | n-iCe: sorry, i was looking at another box. debian indeed is 4755 |
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| 18:58.21 | resixian | n-iCe: does ls -l /bin/su show the proper permission? |
| 18:58.23 | n-iCe | resixian: great so my only option is to run a livecd and edit it? |
| 18:58.41 | SmashingX | how can I see the server processes running right now and be able to see which website or directory is the one hogging all the memory? |
| 18:58.42 | n-iCe | shows: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 18:58.47 | resixian | n-iCe: whats says `ls -l /bin/su` |
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| 18:58.53 | resixian | hrm.. can you sudo ? |
| 18:58.57 | n-iCe | no |
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| 18:59.03 | n-iCe | sudo command not found |
| 18:59.03 | n-iCe | and after |
| 18:59.04 | SmashingX | how can I see what IPs are accessing my server? |
| 18:59.11 | n-iCe | su - password, says that i can't |
| 18:59.20 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: edit grub line from grub prompt is easier,start in init1, remount as rw, chmod +s, done |
| 18:59.34 | n-iCe | frikinz_: where is the grub prompt? |
| 18:59.38 | resixian | n-iCe: you could do either the live cd or as frikinz_ says |
| 18:59.51 | resixian | n-iCe: press 'e' when grub shows up |
| 18:59.54 | n-iCe | ok |
| 18:59.55 | spersaud | SmashingX: syslog ? |
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| 19:00.00 | resixian | then just append '1' to the kernel line |
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| 19:00.24 | devios | dvs: by comment it out, you mean to comment out the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list, right? |
| 19:00.27 | dawud | spersaud: provided he's using iptables and -j LOG, then yes |
| 19:00.30 | g0to | after configuring my machine's BIOS and ethernet interface to work with WoL, I find that the NIC configuration is lost after power a interruption |
| 19:00.33 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:00.34 | n-iCe | I typed E |
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| 19:00.42 | n-iCe | now? |
| 19:00.43 | g0to | is it possible to make WoL configuration persistent? |
| 19:00.50 | dvs | devios: Yes |
| 19:00.53 | dawud | g0to: try ethtool |
| 19:01.01 | n-iCe | frikinz_: what do you mean with start in ini1 |
| 19:01.04 | SmashingX | how can I see all the connection to my server that are occuring right now? |
| 19:01.04 | n-iCe | init2 |
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| 19:01.06 | n-iCe | init1 * |
| 19:01.15 | resixian | n-iCe: scroll down to the 'kernel' line |
| 19:01.17 | g0to | dawud, it's what I'm using (http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan#Software) |
| 19:01.18 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: add '1' without quote at end of kernel line and then err (not sure) escape then x |
| 19:01.20 | dawud | SmashingX: lsof is one way, netstat other |
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| 19:01.31 | devios | dvs: thx |
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| 19:01.36 | dvs | np |
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| 19:01.58 | mroe | Does anyone know if wheezy has settled on 3.2 or is it going to try to get 3.4? |
| 19:01.58 | resixian | n-iCe: after add '1' to end of line press 'Enter' then 'b' to boot |
| 19:01.58 | n-iCe | says: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486 |
| 19:02.02 | n-iCe | that resixian frikinz_ ? |
| 19:02.35 | frikinz_ | no that's the initrd line |
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| 19:03.12 | resixian | n-iCe: the line will start with the word 'kernel' |
| 19:03.13 | g0to | dawud, but the software configuration is volatile after a power failure |
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| 19:03.27 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: linux line actually for a "linux" kernel |
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| 19:03.45 | dawud | g0to: what software configuration? |
| 19:03.54 | dawud | g0to: interfaces? |
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| 19:04.30 | dawud | g0to: WOL goes to the EEPROM, (check -E in man ethtool), and that's persistent |
| 19:04.35 | g0to | dawud, ethtool configuration. Seems to be only software, as the Debian wiki says |
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| 19:04.49 | n-iCe | frikinz_: resixian http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/542075_10150971072066061_659376060_12684778_59625402_n.jpg |
| 19:04.52 | n-iCe | that's all I have |
| 19:05.10 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: and? |
| 19:05.15 | n-iCe | frikinz_: where should I add the 1 |
| 19:05.16 | frikinz_ | I see the linux line :) |
| 19:05.22 | n-iCe | o.O |
| 19:05.27 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: after quiet, put 1 |
| 19:05.30 | n-iCe | ro quiet 1 |
| 19:05.31 | n-iCe | oooh |
| 19:05.33 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:05.40 | n-iCe | with a space? frikinz_ ? |
| 19:05.46 | frikinz_ | n-iCe: yes |
| 19:05.58 | n-iCe | done |
| 19:06.02 | n-iCe | booting |
| 19:06.04 | n-iCe | control + x to boot |
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| 19:06.16 | abrotman | !tell n-iCe about enter |
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| 19:07.08 | n-iCe | DONE |
| 19:07.12 | n-iCe | Edited with |
| 19:07.21 | n-iCe | chmod 4755 /bin/su |
| 19:07.24 | n-iCe | thanks guys!! |
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| 19:07.57 | g0to | dawud, so, if I add -E on 'ethtool -s eth0 wol g' it'll go persistent? |
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| 19:08.35 | dawud | g0to: you checked the manpage, right? |
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| 19:09.40 | ptrkmj | i'd like to list reverse dependecies of a package but only those which provide features to packages that are actually present on my system. |
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| 19:10.12 | ptrkmj | i.e. not all of them |
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| 19:10.30 | g0to | dawud, yes, and I don't understand the purpose of the option very much :S |
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| 19:11.02 | abrotman | ptrkmj: they're dependencies for a reason |
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| 19:11.40 | ptrkmj | abrotman: i think my explanation was not clear, let my try again.. |
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| 19:12.41 | abrotman | okay! |
| 19:13.41 | ptrkmj | i want to list reverse dependecies of a given package but i want only packages present on my system to be on this list (reverse dependency list is quite big usually and i'm not intrested in packages i don't use) |
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| 19:14.48 | pratik_ | Hi |
| 19:14.52 | ptrkmj | i.e. list all reverse dependecies and discard those which are not installed |
| 19:14.57 | dawud | g0to: maybe adding a "pre-down ethtool -s eth0 wol g" to your iface definition in /etc/network/interfaces works for you? |
| 19:14.59 | pratik_ | I am installing Debian 6 |
| 19:15.14 | abrotman | ptrkmj: again, they're called depenedencies for a reason .. if you don't install them, the package likely won't function |
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| 19:15.41 | pratik_ | But when I boot from my USB stick, it stops at the Detect CD rom step and says, no CD rom detected or something of that sort |
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| 19:16.11 | abrotman | ptrkmj: which package are we talking about ? |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | pratik_: how did you prepare the stick ? |
| 19:17.02 | g0to | dawud, the machine is halting properly, post-down works fine so, if I don't interrupt power on the box, it works |
| 19:17.18 | pratik_ | abrotman: using unetbootin |
| 19:17.28 | abrotman | pratik_: doesn't work 50% of the time |
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| 19:17.35 | abrotman | !tell pratik_ about usb install |
| 19:18.34 | pratik_ | abrotman: We installed it on my friends system some hours ago using the same stick |
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| 19:18.58 | pratik_ | abrotman: what do I do now? |
| 19:19.04 | g0to | pratik_, seems you got the right 50% |
| 19:19.10 | alfatau | hello! i need to display users full name at login screen. Because some of them are quite long, is there a way to increase the side panel displaying full names on lightdm login screen. thank you for your attention. |
| 19:19.13 | abrotman | pratik_: see what teh bot told you |
| 19:19.41 | frikinz_ | ptrkmj: maybe manpage of apt-rdepends help. apt-rdepends -r --state-follow=Installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics . this does recurse which you might not want |
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| 19:23.48 | SmashingX | how can I see all the connection to my server that are occuring right now? |
| 19:23.51 | SmashingX | how can I see the server processes running right now and be able to see which website or directory is the one hogging all the memory? |
| 19:24.17 | g0to | SmashingX, top |
| 19:24.29 | SmashingX | g0to: that's not what I want |
| 19:24.56 | g0to | SmashingX, or eyecandy htop if you have the rights to install |
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| 19:25.10 | SmashingX | no I cna't install anything |
| 19:25.57 | abrotman | SmashingX: netstat |
| 19:26.02 | rainfyre | how do I restart the wicd-gtk tray daemon? |
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| 19:26.10 | abrotman | rainfyre: kill it, start it |
| 19:26.24 | frikinz_ | SmashingX: netstat -tu |
| 19:27.01 | abrotman | isn't sure how connections is related to hogging memory in this case .. but okay! |
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| 19:27.18 | rainfyre | abrotman: arion@snow:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/wicd-gtk kill |
| 19:27.19 | rainfyre | sudo: /etc/init.d/wicd-gtk: command not found |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | not what i said .. |
| 19:27.36 | rainfyre | abrotman: what obvious thing am I missing here.. ? |
| 19:27.49 | abrotman | cries |
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| 19:27.55 | rainfyre | awww don't cry! |
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| 19:28.38 | rainfyre | abrotman: it's fine, up and running |
| 19:28.47 | pokjn13579 | What is the name of the package that contains all of the non-free drivers? |
| 19:29.07 | rainfyre | abrotman: it's just that if I ctrl-c or exit the terminal, it kills it again |
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| 19:29.10 | abrotman | there isn't a single package |
| 19:29.16 | abrotman | !tell pokjn13579 about non-free |
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| 19:29.24 | slimcharles | any image managing software i can run on my debian server so i can access vast ammount of images online from my debian home server? |
| 19:29.36 | Baylar | what's the most professional irc client for Debian?! |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 19:29.42 | slimcharles | basically im looking for something similar to subsonic |
| 19:29.55 | slimcharles | but for images |
| 19:29.55 | abrotman | Baylar: the one that works for you |
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| 19:30.17 | pokjn13579 | Ok then. What is the name of the one for realtek wireless drivers then? :) |
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| 19:30.32 | SmashingX | after I see what connections I have in my server using nestat -tu how can I disconnect thos connections |
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| 19:32.24 | abrotman | pokjn13579: add non-free, update, search for realtek |
| 19:32.26 | asem | hello, normally in a hgh traffic webserver i disable the disable conttrack at iptable using iptables -t raw -A PREROUTING -j NOTRACK, but in debian i cant and i get iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.. any help? |
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| 19:34.39 | abrotman | twanny796: ntp |
| 19:35.00 | GNU\colossus | or openntpd |
| 19:36.09 | twanny796 | abrotman, ok ;) |
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| 19:36.39 | pokjn13579 | abrotman, thank you. 'firmware-realtek' |
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| 19:37.33 | g0to | dawud, it seems that some NIC's just forget they WoL configuration after power lost. I think I can't forget about WoL since it works like that |
| 19:37.52 | Andorin | Stupid question... I have a Debian 6.0 netinst CD that I burned Feb 2011, when squeeze first came out. If I install from that will I get the latest version of stable squeeze? |
| 19:38.05 | dawud | g0to: indeed |
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| 19:39.10 | SmashingX | after I see what connections I have in my server using nestat -tu how can I disconnect those connections |
| 19:39.10 | frikinz_ | asem: it should be in the kernel module nf_conntrack. depends on your kernel config |
| 19:39.24 | devmikey | Question: When you plugin a random usb external drive, where does it show up? |
| 19:39.35 | devmikey | like, /dev/? |
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| 19:39.48 | abrotman | SmashingX: what problem are you really trying to solve? |
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| 19:39.57 | SmashingX | many problems |
| 19:40.02 | abrotman | start with one |
| 19:40.04 | SmashingX | but right now I need to disconnect |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | WHY? |
| 19:40.11 | SmashingX | the connections in my server |
| 19:40.16 | g0to | Andorin, you can bet on it |
| 19:40.18 | SmashingX | do I nee to explain why? |
| 19:40.21 | Andorin | Thanks |
| 19:40.28 | abrotman | SmashingX: okay, good luck |
| 19:40.29 | dawud | SmashingX: stop apache |
| 19:40.43 | abrotman | wait to not help |
| 19:40.54 | SmashingX | dawud: but I cant stop apache |
| 19:40.57 | Andorin | is going to come back to Debian from Arch |
| 19:41.08 | abrotman | oh i know .. find out the actual problem .. |
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| 19:41.19 | SmashingX | dawud: but the think is that the hacker would be connected to my server in ftp |
| 19:41.24 | g0to | Andorin, since it will get the latest squeeze packages during installation, you'll get a fresh, up to date installation |
| 19:41.29 | Andorin | Awesome. |
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| 19:41.38 | SmashingX | dawud: that wouldn't help to stop apache |
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| 19:41.51 | cusco | SmashingX: whats wrong with those connections? |
| 19:42.02 | dawud | SmashingX: you are nor going to do any of the things you shuold be doing to protect a server, starting with "I can't install anything". Seriously? not even security updates? |
| 19:42.03 | SmashingX | I just want to disconnect them |
| 19:42.11 | abrotman | SmashingX: which OS is this ? |
| 19:42.13 | cusco | the better you explain your need, the bettwe we can point you in the right direction SmashingX |
| 19:42.16 | SmashingX | debian |
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| 19:42.38 | SmashingX | I have many things that are customized so it's so hard to explain every single detail |
| 19:42.42 | abrotman | SmashingX: unless you give us more detail, you're going to get really crappy help |
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| 19:42.46 | asem | frikinz_: i am working on a linode server and it seems that there are no loadable modules, can u suggest how i deal with this then? |
| 19:42.49 | dawud | (sh*t, I can't write when a get angry) |
| 19:42.50 | SmashingX | right now I just need to know how can I disconnect every connection |
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| 19:42.57 | abrotman | SmashingX: stop aapache |
| 19:43.02 | abrotman | or use netfilter |
| 19:43.07 | dawud | SmashingX: shut the fuc**n server down |
| 19:43.31 | amin_ | hi |
| 19:43.34 | frikinz_ | asem: module loading is disabled or modprobe doesn't work? is the .ko there? |
| 19:43.35 | abrotman | dawud: but i can't .. you know .. cause it's been compromised .. and real people are using it to store stuff! |
| 19:43.39 | SmashingX | ok, for your answers there's no way I can just disconnect one connection to my server? |
| 19:43.40 | cusco | SmashingX: you can use cutter to drop a certain connection from a certain IP, thats easiest that comes to mind |
| 19:43.44 | pokjn13579 | *munches popcorn* |
| 19:43.45 | SmashingX | I can't just stop apache |
| 19:43.50 | SmashingX | that's no my solution |
| 19:43.54 | cusco | you can add ip tables filters |
| 19:44.02 | abrotman | SmashingX: you can disconnect any IP you want .. |
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| 19:44.08 | cusco | you can use fail2ban to prevent erratic behaviour |
| 19:44.21 | SmashingX | abrotman: ok, that's what I'm asking! |
| 19:44.23 | asem | frikinz_: cat /proc/modules is empty if i understand right then loading modules is disabled |
| 19:44.28 | frikinz_ | or tcpkill |
| 19:44.29 | abrotman | SmashingX: great .. i'm asking you questions |
| 19:44.31 | dawud | cusco: yeah, and mod_security, mod_evasive, and IDS, afw ... |
| 19:44.51 | SmashingX | ok abrotman do you know how? |
| 19:45.02 | abrotman | SmashingX: why do you want to disconnect these sessions ? |
| 19:45.08 | SmashingX | oh "Ā·%Ā·%&" |
| 19:45.23 | SmashingX | I don't want to write a book about it |
| 19:45.30 | abrotman | maybe we do .. |
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| 19:45.48 | SmashingX | ok whatever, I need to disconnect the hacker from my server ok? |
| 19:45.56 | frikinz_ | asem: probably yes. you could check for option CONFIG_MODULES in /boot/config-* or in /proc/config.gz if this exists on your server. |
| 19:46.02 | SmashingX | but right now I just need to know how can I disconnect him! |
| 19:46.14 | dawud | SmashingX: everybody who suspects intrusion start by unplugging the server |
| 19:46.15 | nkuttler | SmashingX: kill, slay, turn off his access, etc |
| 19:46.16 | SmashingX | I see him on netst |
| 19:46.25 | abrotman | SmashingX: let's put it another way .. if your system has been compromised, disconnect the network cable |
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| 19:46.36 | SmashingX | no I don't want to unplug my server I just want to disconnect the intruder is this possible or not!!!1 |
| 19:46.38 | abrotman | SmashingX: otherwise, any user of that system is at risk |
| 19:46.40 | frikinz_ | SmashingX: add a route to 127.0.0.1 although I don't know when the kernel will use it |
| 19:46.50 | nkuttler | SmashingX: no. he could have installed a backdoor by now |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | frikinz_: you're way over his head |
| 19:46.57 | SmashingX | abrotman: That's why I didn't want to explain what my problem is! |
| 19:47.08 | SmashingX | I just want to disconnect the guy |
| 19:47.10 | SmashingX | that IP |
| 19:47.17 | Baylar | SmashingX: your session is over. you seem to be flirting |
| 19:47.22 | cusco | 20:44 < cusco> SmashingX: you can use cutter to drop a certain connection from a certain IP, thats easiest that comes to mind |
| 19:47.31 | frikinz_ | abrotman: see I didn't give the whole command for a reason ;) |
| 19:47.32 | asem | frikinz_: its CONFIG_MODULES=y |
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| 19:47.49 | SmashingX | cusco: cutter bash: cutter: command not found |
| 19:47.50 | abrotman | SmashingX: what's he doing that's so bad? |
| 19:47.56 | cusco | SmashingX: apt-get install cutter |
| 19:48.05 | abrotman | cusco: he can't install anything |
| 19:48.06 | SmashingX | abrotman: WHAT? |
| 19:48.07 | dawud | cusco: he won't install anything... |
| 19:48.14 | cusco | ow |
| 19:48.14 | abrotman | or won't .. |
| 19:48.22 | SmashingX | abrotman: DO you know how to disconnect the guy or not? |
| 19:48.44 | dawud | SmashingX: do you have iptables _already_ installed? |
| 19:49.03 | asem | frikinz_: but i found also thats its CONFIG_NF_CONNTRACK=y inside the config.gz, so i can disable it ussing /proc or something? |
| 19:49.10 | abrotman | SmashingX: ask #netfilter how to use iptables .. it's a oneline command .. good luck |
| 19:49.16 | SmashingX | dawud: # which iptables /sbin/iptables |
| 19:49.19 | frikinz_ | asem: and does locate nf_conntrack.ko gives somthing? I guess not otherwise iptables would trigger its loading. |
| 19:49.38 | frikinz_ | asem: ah so its in the kernel. humm |
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| 19:50.11 | dawud | SmashingX: go find if it's already doing some of the work it should, and then add a rule to DROP the evil IP |
| 19:50.50 | SmashingX | dawud: how can I find that out? |
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| 19:51.13 | abrotman | SmashingX: ask #netfilter |
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| 19:51.38 | asem | frikinz_: so what i can do? |
| 19:51.40 | frikinz_ | asem: CONFIG_IP_NF_RAW |
| 19:51.44 | frikinz_ | asem: is there? |
| 19:52.03 | SmashingX | ok |
| 19:52.08 | asem | yes in the kernel =y |
| 19:52.08 | frikinz_ | asem: iptables is a bit vague.. no chain, table, ... |
| 19:53.18 | asem | frikinz_: in all my other servers i do iptables -t raw -A PREROUTING -j NOTRACK iptables -t raw -A OUTPUT -j NOTRACK |
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| 19:53.41 | frikinz_ | asem: it works here on my debian. I have kernel 3.3 |
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| 19:54.36 | asem | frikinz_: i think now its linode specific then, i will ask the guys there |
| 19:54.59 | SmashingX | hey dawud does this look to you like something supicious? http://pastebin.com/LxcgYcup |
| 19:55.04 | frikinz_ | asem: yes. more kernel features than the ones we check are needed |
| 19:55.13 | MO_Handes | I remove applications but their link does not get removed in Menus ! Do I have to remove them by hand or there's a command to refresh it all?! |
| 19:55.20 | frikinz_ | asem: xt_NOTRACK, x_tables |
| 19:55.43 | craigevil | MO_Handes, update-menus as user |
| 19:55.56 | asem | frikinz_: both not there |
| 19:56.10 | dawud | SmashingX: repeated failed attempts to brute-force login? yes |
| 19:56.16 | asem | frikinz_: so i will need another kerenel then? |
| 19:56.19 | MO_Handes | craigevil, did not take effect |
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| 19:56.28 | SmashingX | dawud: what would you recommend to block this guy? |
| 19:56.32 | asem | or i can add the modules from any ther location |
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| 19:56.44 | SmashingX | dawud: it seems like he is slowing down the server |
| 19:56.50 | SmashingX | by the bruteforce |
| 19:57.11 | dawud | SmashingX: you've told: use iptables to DROP him |
| 19:57.19 | dawud | you've been* |
| 19:57.35 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 19:58.02 | karlpinc | SmashingX: I prefer using ferm (or perhaps shorewall) to raw iptables. YMMV. |
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| 19:58.52 | frikinz_ | asem: I don't know the current state of netfilter, you could also ask in #netfilter. if these options are not set and they were able to build the kernel then I might be wrong on the dependency needed. depends on kernel version. |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | he should really call his ISP and have it dropped upstream, but he won't do that either |
| 20:00.11 | frikinz_ | slowing down the server by bruteforcing? then it must be a tiny server |
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| 20:00.36 | WormFood | On my debian stable system, deluge-gtk won't run anymore, and terminates with a "glib.GError: Unrecognized image file format" error. Anyone experienced this before, and have a fix? (google was no help for a debian specific fix, the best I found, was to install a newer copy of librsvg) |
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| 20:01.00 | abrotman | WormFood: what updated recently? /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:01.52 | WormFood | abrotman, lots of odds-n-ends. Let me look in more detail and see if I can find anything specific to deluge/python/librsvg |
| 20:02.24 | frikinz_ | I still wonder why there's not a debian tool to see installation history |
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| 20:02.56 | dromer | hmmm, since a few days my laptop tries to dhcpdiscover on wlan during boot. and I can't ^C out of it .. |
| 20:02.58 | frikinz_ | rather than zgreping in /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 20:02.58 | raptor67682 | what does mean : sshd (1226): /proc/1226/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/1226/oom_score_adj instead Ć?? |
| 20:03.04 | dromer | any ideas how to fix that? (on sid btw) |
| 20:03.27 | DammitJim | did vlc break in the latest update? |
| 20:03.35 | abrotman | hopefully! |
| 20:03.47 | SmashingX | dawud: do you think that just by trying to access my server by brute force can consume a lot of memory and resourceS? |
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| 20:04.33 | WormFood | abrotman, I don't see anything obvious. I'm about to go to bed. I was hoping there was a quick fix (maybe something I missed with google). I'll double check /var/log/dpkg.log in the morning, in case my tired eyes missed something. |
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| 20:05.05 | raptor67682 | frikinz_: the problem is that it is not a laptop... it has no battery |
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| 20:05.27 | SmashingX | how can I see what users are connected to my server? |
| 20:05.41 | resixian | SmashingX: users |
| 20:05.46 | WormFood | SmashingX, also "w" |
| 20:05.49 | raptor67682 | I would like to protect it... like if the "HAMA usb to 7-usb plug" gets out of power, then it switches all the USB devices |
| 20:05.52 | raptor67682 | possible? |
| 20:06.26 | abrotman | SmashingX: you should really call the admin |
| 20:06.50 | SmashingX | dawud: do you think that just by trying to access my server by brute force can consume a lot of memory and resourceS? |
| 20:06.54 | WormFood | SmashingX, what are they trying to brute force? (I came into the chat late) |
| 20:06.57 | SmashingX | abrotman: thanks but Im the admin |
| 20:07.07 | abrotman | no seriously ... |
| 20:07.40 | cusco | SmashingX: what are they trying to brute force, and how did you identify it? |
| 20:07.48 | cusco | ssh? ftp? some web stuff ? |
| 20:07.56 | abrotman | cusco: it's the same ssh brute force everyone sees |
| 20:08.01 | cusco | ow |
| 20:08.22 | cusco | I recall denyhosts doing a good job with that |
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| 20:08.31 | WormFood | why not move the ssh server to a different port? It does not increase security, of course, but it will stop a vast majority of those brute force attacks. |
| 20:08.35 | resixian | why are you allowing ssh logins? |
| 20:08.38 | frikinz_ | I see only 5 lines before they end up in my jail |
| 20:08.49 | abrotman | cusco: or fail2ban .. |
| 20:08.51 | WormFood | also, why not use something like fail2ban? |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | stop, he's an admin .. he knows what he's doing! :) |
| 20:09.14 | resixian | lulz |
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| 20:09.16 | WormFood | you're right abrotman |
| 20:09.24 | frikinz_ | or OSSEC which sends millions of reporting email per day? :) |
| 20:09.29 | WormFood | goes to bed |
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| 20:10.31 | raptor67682 | got it for the temperautre: need /usr/bin/sensors and the package is lm-sensors |
| 20:10.41 | raptor67682 | lets see if it needs all x11 mess ;) |
| 20:11.21 | wo0f | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.47 | pokjn13579 | cat debian-6.0.5-i386-DVD-1.iso > /dev/sdc; Wish me luck :) |
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| 20:12.00 | cusco | pokjn13579: or just use wodim ? |
| 20:12.24 | raptor67682 | wo0f: what is the offtopic, - to talk about general stuffs , ... haha even windows ? |
| 20:12.40 | abrotman | pokjn13579: good luck! |
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| 20:13.17 | raptor67682 | WormFood: does really fail2ban works well? what about a simple script that does check auth and so on? |
| 20:13.26 | pokjn13579 | because I don't need to modify the usb after writing to it |
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| 20:15.09 | abrotman | raptor67682: i've used both .. |
| 20:15.17 | abrotman | raptor67682: i've also used raw iptables to do it |
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| 20:16.37 | frikinz_ | i use ossec which has actions. since its been bought by trend micro, looks like development has stopped at least officially. |
| 20:16.49 | frikinz_ | like tarpit actions :) |
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| 20:22.02 | frikinz_ | its quite frightening how long googlebots crawls links which are non existent anymore |
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| 20:23.06 | wo0f | raptor67682, sorry that was a typo |
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| 20:23.11 | nkuttler | frikinz_: if only there were status code to tell the bot where to look or that the resource is gone |
| 20:23.13 | wo0f | raptor67682, just thought id check it out |
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| 20:23.59 | wo0f | robots.txt? |
| 20:24.00 | NishaKitty | I keep getting an error when I try to view a change log view aptitude any ideas? ($ sudo aptitude changelog irssi) (Err Changelog of irssi) (E: Changelog download failed: Download queue destroyed.) (E: Couldn't find a changelog for irssi) |
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| 20:24.29 | NishaKitty | found a bug in the bug tracker about it but it's unrelated |
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| 20:24.51 | frikinz_ | hum yes robots.txt I'll update mine. in my case 500 internal errors for nearly a year but still google tries |
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| 20:24.59 | nkuttler | frikinz_: of course.. |
| 20:25.23 | NishaKitty | hmm seems it's just aptitude apt-get is fine |
| 20:25.39 | nkuttler | frikinz_: 500 only means there is an error. any competent webmaster would fix that |
| 20:26.29 | frikinz_ | nkuttler: its a cgi and I can't be bothered to fix when people ask for wrong parameters :) |
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| 20:26.56 | NishaKitty | nevermind found another bug aptitude needs fixing apparently |
| 20:27.12 | nkuttler | frikinz_: sounds like an exploit waiting to happen |
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| 20:27.41 | nkuttler | frikinz_: not your particular script but the attitude :) |
| 20:28.00 | e_ | hm, is it possible to get regular dumps of the security trackers sql database? |
| 20:28.17 | frikinz_ | in fact its munin and I don't think one could exploit anything in a perl script but I could check |
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| 20:38.43 | raptor67682 | how to know what has last downloaded wget from an option --log ? |
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| 20:44.53 | raptor67682 | the problem is if you use -o log.txt then you do not get the verbose (the ====> information and all info) any longer :( |
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| 20:49.54 | kb_oe | an interesting online comic book http://kh43.com |
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| 20:51.46 | SmashingX | hey guys what are the log for the system errors? |
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| 20:52.14 | chris_99 | does anyone know how i can make sense of a kernel panic with addresses http://pastebin.com/j3gBhatf in debian |
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| 20:54.53 | nsadmin | look in /var/log |
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| 20:56.05 | SmashingX | there are many logs in that directory |
| 20:56.16 | nsadmin | so, read one, |
| 20:56.21 | nsadmin | read another |
| 20:56.26 | nsadmin | etc |
| 20:56.28 | SmashingX | very helpful |
| 20:56.30 | SmashingX | there are many logs in that directory |
| 20:56.34 | SmashingX | hey guys what are the log for the system errors? |
| 20:56.44 | nsadmin | likewise. what is your goal/purpose? |
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| 20:57.02 | SmashingX | to see the last error on my system |
| 20:57.16 | dvs | SmashingX: Usually /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:57.22 | SmashingX | ok thanks |
| 20:57.36 | nsadmin | what you could do is write a script to get the max timestamp of all the files |
| 20:58.20 | frikinz_ | chris_99: some things here http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/oops_decoding.html but don't know if it applies to arm (is it?) |
| 20:58.37 | chris_99 | yeah it's arm |
| 20:58.47 | chris_99 | from the Raspberry Pi |
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| 20:59.09 | SmashingX | nsadmin: where is that scriptĀæ? |
| 20:59.25 | chris_99 | that looks handy thanks frikinz_ |
| 20:59.51 | nsadmin | SmashingX, what I said was, it could be written |
| 21:00.08 | nsadmin | and that you could write it |
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| 21:00.24 | nsadmin | however, it seems like it could be short |
| 21:00.29 | nsadmin | let's see... |
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| 21:01.38 | SmashingX | I don't know how to write it |
| 21:01.50 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 21:01.56 | dimir | TO |
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| 21:03.34 | nsadmin | if you consider only one of the log files, |
| 21:03.52 | nsadmin | SmashingX, where would be the latest entry? |
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| 21:04.01 | drags | lol who the fuck join/nick floods #debian? |
| 21:04.23 | nsadmin | drags, evidently someone |
| 21:04.25 | SmashingX | where? |
| 21:04.27 | drags | also I thought debhelper kept the +l close to num users.. |
| 21:04.31 | SmashingX | how should I know? |
| 21:04.36 | babilen | drags: Lets move on - Should be solved for now. |
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| 21:04.43 | drags | babilen: thanks |
| 21:04.44 | nsadmin | SmashingX, the middle of the file? |
| 21:05.28 | SmashingX | nsadmin: no idea |
| 21:05.32 | tharkun | congrats babilen on his new op |
| 21:05.49 | tharkun | Ok, they might not be new but nontheless congrats |
| 21:05.50 | nsadmin | if you look at one of the files, what do you see? |
| 21:06.02 | SmashingX | omg |
| 21:06.11 | bucko909 | Hi guys! Google has failed me; can someone point me to a sensible guide for setting up a Japanese input method (scim is fine, though I'm sure I use other stuff on the machines where it works)? |
| 21:06.12 | SmashingX | nevermind let me look at those files |
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| 21:06.18 | SmashingX | I need to look at them asap |
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| 21:07.57 | bucko909 | Looks like I use uim-xim on this machine, but every guide seems to suggest scim/anthy which seem much more complex than I need (and on my work machine, simply fail to allow Japanese input in some programs for no reason I could ascertain.) |
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| 21:11.25 | kvanderw | dumb question - I have a new Squeeze installed - and every entry I have found so far on google for 'lenny' lines to put into my sources.list file have failed. I am trying to get a system to support php5.2 websites. Can anyone point me to the the right URL for my sources.list file that will find an existent 'lenny'?? Thanks!!!! |
| 21:11.37 | kvanderw | feels really dumb at this point |
| 21:12.11 | dvs | kvanderw: Mixing versions is a very bad idea. |
| 21:12.31 | kvanderw | running drupal 6 is turning into the bad idea |
| 21:12.34 | kvanderw | :) |
| 21:13.05 | ompaul | kvanderw: lenny is no longer supported |
| 21:13.22 | ompaul | !tell kvanderw about lenny |
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| 21:13.46 | kvanderw | I have a dying server. running 60 D6 sites - I don't care about lenny - I care about php 5.2 - It just seems that all google results point to lenny to solve the php 5.2 problem. |
| 21:14.18 | ompaul | kvanderw: for stuff in <stuff> do /msg dpkg stuff .. please see the message from the bot about lenny |
| 21:14.25 | ompaul | you have no security updates on lenny |
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| 21:15.21 | kvanderw | right - like I said - the real issue is support ing php 5.2 - I'm fine with stay off of lenny |
| 21:15.48 | ompaul | kvanderw: and the thing is that you will have to create your own package for that or run lenny |
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| 21:17.33 | SmashingX | is there any way I can stop a cron script that is running every 2 seconds? |
| 21:17.49 | ompaul | kvanderw: or you could do something like install D7 and do a migration |
| 21:18.12 | mmnicolas | SmashingX: stop cron |
| 21:18.25 | ompaul | SmashingX: su - cron -e and remove it from cron |
| 21:18.39 | SmashingX | thanks |
| 21:18.41 | ompaul | why would you run something every 2 seconds |
| 21:18.50 | SmashingX | how can i know? |
| 21:19.07 | SmashingX | that's why Im stopping it |
| 21:19.11 | ompaul | SmashingX: hehe |
| 21:19.13 | mmnicolas | because you're the one who did it ? |
| 21:19.25 | SmashingX | mmnicolas: how do you know? |
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| 21:19.46 | kvanderw | ompaul: on the todo list - near top - but, dying server is forcing a much too quick response from me |
| 21:20.11 | ompaul | kvanderw: this way lies madness |
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| 21:20.35 | ompaul | kvanderw: because the delta to keep it going is going to create a bigger gap to the next install |
| 21:20.35 | SmashingX | ompaul: $ su - cron -e su: invalid option -- e |
| 21:20.41 | kvanderw | ompaul: I am closing approching that even now :D |
| 21:20.53 | SmashingX | ompaul: what's the command? |
| 21:21.02 | ompaul | SmashingX: su - << then after you put in the password >> cron -e |
| 21:21.10 | SmashingX | ok |
| 21:21.21 | bucko909 | You mean crontab -e |
| 21:21.31 | ompaul | sorry sorry crontab -e |
| 21:21.41 | ompaul | yeah I did |
| 21:22.01 | ompaul | cos I cron and tab before the -e (sad but true) |
| 21:22.13 | bucko909 | cron<tab> -e |
| 21:22.19 | ompaul | yeap |
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| 21:22.42 | ompaul | actually cront<tab> |
| 21:22.44 | bucko909 | You're assuming it's root, too. |
| 21:22.55 | ompaul | na I got root already look back and you will see su - |
| 21:22.59 | bucko909 | There's about a million cron locations on Linux now. |
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| 21:23.15 | bucko909 | I mean root's crontab. |
| 21:23.25 | ompaul | bucko909: well for he who creates his own let him die in perl |
| 21:23.45 | ompaul | closes the book of bad puns |
| 21:23.55 | bucko909 | /etc/cron.{daily,hourly,d/*} /var/spool/cron ... |
| 21:24.34 | SmashingX | ompaul: # cron -e cron: invalid option -- e usage: cron |
| 21:24.56 | ompaul | SmashingX: if you had kept an eye on this after that I said sorry sorry crontab -e |
| 21:25.01 | bucko909 | Someone set the signup page of a site I made to get a new signing with flavour text from CleverBot in a cron. Then they changed the script to run in a 1 minute loop but forgot to remove the cron entry. |
| 21:25.24 | bucko909 | Resulting in quadratic bot signups. |
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| 21:25.35 | ompaul | yay self dos |
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| 21:25.58 | SmashingX | ompaul: ok sory |
| 21:26.16 | ompaul | SmashingX: I take it you now have that crontab entry edited |
| 21:26.40 | ompaul | SmashingX: it should look like */30 * * * * something |
| 21:27.19 | SmashingX | nope |
| 21:27.22 | SmashingX | ds1454:/home/ds1454_admin# crontab -e It looks like you don't have a MAILTO line in your crontab file For performance reasons we ask that you specify an address where cronjob output will be delivered. If you do not wish to receive cronjob output, simply press enter and cronjob output will not be mailed to you. |
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| 21:27.55 | ompaul | SmashingX: why do you think this job is being triggered by cron in that case --- seems nothing is in cron |
| 21:28.48 | SmashingX | ompaul: because I have a lot of this lines on auth.log CRON[21298]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
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| 21:30.11 | nsadmin | SmashingX, those are normal |
| 21:30.24 | SmashingX | nop they're not |
| 21:30.36 | nsadmin | yes they are, I see them all the time |
| 21:30.37 | SmashingX | slowing down the server |
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| 21:30.45 | SmashingX | ok, please believe me |
| 21:30.58 | SmashingX | they're not |
| 21:31.25 | ompaul | SmashingX: I can't believe you |
| 21:31.32 | nsadmin | the content may be (again, I see them all the time) but the source may not |
| 21:31.40 | ompaul | because they are regular |
| 21:31.42 | SmashingX | every two seconds? |
| 21:31.49 | SmashingX | you are not making sense! |
| 21:31.50 | ompaul | SmashingX: do you have something logging onto your box |
| 21:31.53 | nsadmin | are you sure about the rate? |
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| 21:32.12 | ompaul | SmashingX: pastebin a chunk into paste.debian.net |
| 21:32.13 | SmashingX | [15:18:41] <ompaul> why would you run something every 2 seconds |
| 21:32.23 | SmashingX | dones't make any sense then |
| 21:32.31 | nsadmin | cron can't do it at that rate |
| 21:32.37 | nsadmin | so something's going on |
| 21:32.43 | ompaul | */30 * * * * |
| 21:32.45 | SmashingX | pretty sure |
| 21:32.49 | ompaul | would have to be visible |
| 21:32.49 | nsadmin | cron doesn't have seconds |
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| 21:33.01 | nsadmin | ompaul, wouldn't that be every 2 mins? |
| 21:33.09 | ompaul | no that would be |
| 21:33.15 | SmashingX | nsadmin: no! every 2 (TWO) seconds |
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| 21:33.19 | ompaul | * */30 |
| 21:33.23 | SmashingX | geez |
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| 21:33.37 | SmashingX | nsadmin: I know something's going on |
| 21:33.43 | ompaul | I'm wrong |
| 21:34.06 | ompaul | every 17 minutes is */17 * * * * |
| 21:34.07 | nsadmin | SmashingX, some implementations of cron didn't fire anything faster than every 5 mins |
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| 21:34.32 | SmashingX | ompaul: yeah but I don't have anything on the cron list |
| 21:34.42 | SmashingX | so those must be drupa cron jobs |
| 21:34.43 | nsadmin | so maybe it's not cron? |
| 21:34.47 | SmashingX | or worpress |
| 21:34.48 | bucko909 | Could be there are 30 entries which take a lock and take 2 secs. |
| 21:34.56 | ompaul | SmashingX: it's something working as root that is all you know |
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| 21:35.10 | bucko909 | Should also check cron.d. |
| 21:35.28 | SmashingX | how can I check that? |
| 21:35.34 | nsadmin | SmashingX, try stopping cron for a little bit? |
| 21:35.35 | bucko909 | Look for stuff in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 21:35.42 | nsadmin | crond that is |
| 21:36.05 | SmashingX | nsadmin: no thanks |
| 21:36.05 | jelly-home | SmashingX: if you suspect a cron job, enable (uncomment) cron logging in /etc/rsyslog.conf, reload rsyslog service, and look at /var/log/cron.log |
| 21:36.05 | nsadmin | then you'll find out whether crond is sourcing these things |
| 21:36.18 | nsadmin | reads man 5 crontab... |
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| 21:36.20 | bucko909 | cron provides no good guarantees about running stuff, so your system should be fine without it for 10 mins or so. |
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| 21:38.12 | nsadmin | SmashingX, confirmed. cron DOES NOT do seconds; the fields of a user crontab are: min hour day-of-month month day-of-week command |
| 21:38.13 | SmashingX | jelly-home: you mean this line? #cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 21:38.27 | jelly-home | SmashingX: yes. |
| 21:38.46 | ompaul | nsadmin: I did say I was wrong :) |
| 21:38.53 | SmashingX | nsadmin: you are wrong |
| 21:39.11 | SmashingX | May 22 09:48:01 CRON[21267]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 21:39.11 | ompaul | SmashingX: what kind of web service are you running drupal or what? |
| 21:39.13 | nsadmin | SmashingX, man 5 crontab |
| 21:39.17 | SmashingX | It DOES do seconds |
| 21:39.26 | SmashingX | ompaul: many different |
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| 21:39.39 | SmashingX | nsadmin: look at the ine I pasted |
| 21:39.40 | jelly-home | SmashingX: vixie cron in debian has 1 minute granularity. |
| 21:39.47 | ompaul | SmashingX: this is durpals how to cron http://drupal.org/node/23714 |
| 21:40.28 | nsadmin | SmashingX, you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with the standard, which I just checked, and I invite you to check as well |
| 21:40.54 | jelly-home | SmashingX: that does not mean a cron job is going to run at exactly x hours y minutes 00 seconds; it means it will try to do that, or as close. |
| 21:41.00 | nsadmin | the point is, it's something else |
| 21:41.00 | SmashingX | nsadmind: ok, then what is that |
| 21:41.10 | SmashingX | nsadmin: May 22 09:48:01 |
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| 21:41.17 | SmashingX | tell me what's 01 |
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| 21:41.40 | nsadmin | the amount of time between firing the cronjob and posting the log entry? |
| 21:41.48 | jelly-home | SmashingX: most likely a job scheduled to run at "May 22 09:48" that worked long enough to end at 09:48:01 |
| 21:42.03 | SmashingX | yes |
| 21:42.08 | nsadmin | cmon, let's stop arguing, it's not relevent to your purpose |
| 21:42.09 | ompaul | SmashingX: please pastebin a segment of logfile with this in it |
| 21:42.14 | jelly-home | SmashingX: again, look at cron.log to see which jobs run. |
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| 21:42.30 | SmashingX | jelly-home: I can't stop the service |
| 21:42.42 | SmashingX | rsyslog service |
| 21:42.53 | jelly-home | SmashingX: I didn't say "stop", I said "reload" |
| 21:42.54 | SmashingX | because I will disconnect the clients |
| 21:42.59 | SmashingX | how? |
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| 21:43.11 | jelly-home | SmashingX: "service rsyslog reload" |
| 21:43.51 | SmashingX | ok |
| 21:44.19 | jelly-home | if it doesn't have a "reload" action, it will have a restart action |
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| 21:44.32 | jelly-home | (which will stop and start it, btw) |
| 21:44.36 | infinus | <3 debian |
| 21:44.53 | nsadmin | SmashingX, you're thinking you've gotten hacked... you're invited to consider other possibilities, one of which is that your service is running amok |
| 21:44.56 | SmashingX | service rsyslog restart bash: service: command not found |
| 21:44.58 | SmashingX | none of them |
| 21:45.16 | jelly-home | SmashingX: which debian release are you using? |
| 21:45.21 | SmashingX | 6 |
| 21:45.21 | nsadmin | try this: /etc/init.d/rsyslog reload |
| 21:45.40 | jelly-home | SmashingX: make sure your root shell has /usr/sbin in PATH |
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| 21:46.02 | SmashingX | wil that restart affect my websites? |
| 21:46.22 | jelly-home | it shouldn't |
| 21:46.24 | nsadmin | no, just rsyslog |
| 21:46.45 | SmashingX | I don't want to break anything |
| 21:47.02 | nsadmin | SmashingX, do you have identical services, for development and for staging? |
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| 21:47.12 | SmashingX | yep |
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| 21:48.35 | nsadmin | SmashingX, after you resolve this, you need a chance to play with the site, to see what the effect of the various restarts are and what else they affect... having staging and dev are perfect for this, as is having a full copy of the site at home |
| 21:49.00 | Lukemob | hello guys.. need some help with replacing.. my script is: homedir="/home/test/"; perl -p -i -e "s/DIR/$homedir" says some error, I guess due to / in variable |
| 21:49.14 | Lukemob | maybe sed would do this better? |
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| 21:50.37 | nsadmin | SmashingX, one thing this will provide is confidence in operating the production site... one thing, you are correct that you need to be really careful about what you do with the production site |
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| 21:53.08 | peterS | Lukemob: yeah two problems. You forgot the ending / in the s/// statement. And since the variable has / in it, you should use a different character, like |, for the s/// statement. so like -pi -e "s|DIR|$homedir|" |
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| 21:54.42 | peterS | Lukemob: it's more of a #perl question than a #debian question, to be honest. as for whether to use perl or sed ... it hardly matters, they both get the job done, just with sed you omit the -p |
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| 21:55.41 | jelly-home | Lukemob, peterS: careful use of \Q \E can save you from having to choose s/// separator carefully, eg: a=bar; echo foo | perl -pe "s/foo/\Q$a\E/" |
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| 21:56.22 | nsadmin | is it the variable name that has the / or the value? |
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| 21:56.53 | jelly-home | actually, I lied. Ignore me. |
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| 21:57.51 | raptor67682 | is it possible to pack to tar.gz in multiple archives of 5Mb ? |
| 21:58.13 | nsadmin | man tar, and yes. |
| 21:58.20 | raptor67682 | cool |
| 21:58.33 | nsadmin | you can either split after the fact, or have tar do it |
| 21:59.25 | nsadmin | if you decide to split after the fact, you can bail on reading the man page |
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| 22:00.35 | abrotman | raptor67682: you can also use split |
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| 22:01.42 | Lukemob | thank you peterS and jelly-home |
| 22:02.05 | peterS | np |
| 22:02.44 | raptor67682 | abrotman: well, cuz tar say "change voluem and then press Return" |
| 22:02.50 | raptor67682 | abrotman: it is a bit outdated |
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| 22:03.50 | raptor67682 | abrotman: split looks to be the only possible way (except rar, ...and co) since tar prompts for <Return>. But I am not sure yet, I read read read |
| 22:04.06 | peterS | jelly-home: your example doesn't use any / characters, so yes, it works fine |
| 22:04.07 | abrotman | raptor67682: i didn't tell you to use tar .. that was nsadmin |
| 22:04.14 | peterS | jelly-home: but if you say a=/bar/, you'll notice it does _not_ work |
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| 22:04.57 | Spec | you can also use dd to split a tarball up :p |
| 22:05.04 | peterS | jelly-home: in other words, cleverness involving \Q needs more cleverness than that (: |
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| 22:05.21 | abrotman | Spec: that's just crazy talk |
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| 22:05.33 | raptor67682 | it seems that TAR always produce the reading user prompt "Plese change volume and press <Enter>". man, what does the wishlist and reporbug, ... this should have been improved by the time (of floppies, tapes,...) |
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| 22:06.27 | peterS | raptor67682: hey, at least gnu tar's default output stream is now stdout, rather than /dev/st0 (the tape drive) as it is on many Unix versions of tar |
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| 22:06.35 | Darkasakerionz | Hi, anyone have dual boot with gentoo? |
| 22:06.43 | Spec | I imagine quite a few people still use tar with tape decks. :p |
| 22:06.45 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.00 | peterS | raptor67682: well, I mean, default input or output stream, i.e., if you omit -f |
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| 22:07.03 | jelly-home | peterS: indeed |
| 22:07.03 | abrotman | Darkasakerionz: gentoo and what? |
| 22:07.16 | Darkasakerionz | abrotman, debian and gentoo |
| 22:07.57 | raptor67682 | peterS: I dont have tapes any longer, I throw them all. ;) besides, I should have kept some for museum and retro. I still have a zx81 even somewhere in my mess |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | Darkasakerionz: what's the problem with it ? |
| 22:08.41 | raptor67682 | peterS: -f returns to sdtout ... bunch of ascii for pipeline |
| 22:08.47 | peterS | not even a tape with an aluminum sheet on the bottom? those are awesome |
| 22:08.52 | Darkasakerionz | abrotman, the thing it's that I can't load gentoo with debian's grub, It say vfs unknown block |
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| 22:09.13 | nsadmin | abrotman: he also said "multiple archives" and split will not do that |
| 22:09.35 | raptor67682 | nsadmin: you are correct |
| 22:09.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes, it can |
| 22:10.01 | raptor67682 | (must get some sleep. good night. keep online to our gnu freenode ) |
| 22:10.04 | abrotman | it's quite easy actually |
| 22:10.14 | abrotman | raptor67682: split is the tool you want |
| 22:10.20 | peterS | how though? split doesn't know the structure of a tar file, it wouldn't know where to split it so that each fragment is a valid tar file |
| 22:10.37 | abrotman | peterS: he didn't say each had to be a valid tar, just that it had to be split |
| 22:10.50 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.01 | sussudio | is there any good reason i can't get rid of CUPS if there is no printer attached or ever will be on a machine? |
| 22:11.02 | raptor67682 | see ya |
| 22:11.08 | peterS | abrotman: ok maybe so, I'm just explaining nsadmin's comment about "multiple archives", which implies multiple things you can extract independently |
| 22:11.14 | nsadmin | it will produce multiple -files- which, only when pasted back together, produces -one- archive... it all goes back to the original poster to see what he wants and what he will accept |
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| 22:11.55 | raptor67682 | nsadmin: actually, nsadmin, is again correct (thx) |
| 22:11.55 | abrotman | peterS: perhaps, but then he's f'ed :) |
| 22:12.07 | abrotman | and i have no idea why the limit is 5Mb either |
| 22:12.17 | Spec | Yeah, you'd have to use tar's options for that. |
| 22:12.19 | abrotman | strange file size |
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| 22:12.39 | Spec | abrotman: uhh |
| 22:12.42 | nsadmin | abrotman, agreed... and, that was one of the requirements |
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| 22:12.49 | Spec | abrotman: 5mb sounds like a default limit for exchange's e-mail system :p |
| 22:12.55 | Spec | for size of attachments |
| 22:12.58 | raptor67682 | (abrotman: testing on a given example. no worry about size. I have a testing dir of 40 mb, so 5mb to make some test. ) |
| 22:13.03 | abrotman | raptor67682: do you need each 5Mb file to be an independent archive? |
| 22:13.13 | abrotman | raptor67682: or can it merely be a chunk of a complete archive? |
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| 22:13.25 | raptor67682 | abrotman: no no. shall not be independant |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | then split works fine |
| 22:13.40 | nsadmin | so, split after the fact |
| 22:13.48 | raptor67682 | it ought to replace : rar -r -v $size pack.rar dir |
| 22:13.55 | abrotman | raptor67682: split can do that .. you can then cat them back together |
| 22:13.59 | peterS | yeah. just keep in mind, to extract the archive, you just 'cat' all the fragments together, and pipe into 'tar xz' |
| 22:14.03 | raptor67682 | I mean tar should be capabble to do like RAR |
| 22:14.37 | raptor67682 | come on. we live GNU and we shall use TAR rather than RAR. GNU forever, isn't it? ;) :) |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | raptor67682: you can pipe tar to split, and be done wiht it |
| 22:14.53 | nsadmin | raptor67682, maybe just for a tar file, not a compressed tar file. compression is actually done outside of tar |
| 22:15.09 | peterS | raptor67682: rar follows the MS-DOS philosophy where you don't want to assume any user's system has any useful tools on it, so everything is bundled into one tool. tar follows the Unix philosophy where you _can_ assume people have things like 'split' on their boxes. |
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| 22:16.19 | peterS | of course in GNU software there's tension between the unix philosophy and the desire to feature-creep. hence the tar -z and -j options. compression isn't implemented _internally_ by tar, but it _is_ incorporated into the UI. |
| 22:16.41 | nsadmin | emacs would be the worst offender in that area |
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| 22:17.14 | peterS | nsadmin: I dunno, as an absolute maybe, but have a look at how many options the lowly /bin/ls has these days |
| 22:18.00 | Spec | raptor67682: tar+gzip+split is all you need :D |
| 22:18.01 | nsadmin | peterS, and yet ls hasn't factored one of the more useful things, columnization |
| 22:18.22 | Spec | that's what `column` is for :p |
| 22:18.29 | peterS | what do you mean by columnization? the ability, as in ps and top, to specify and arrange your own columns? |
| 22:18.32 | peterrooney | and yet for some reason tar does NOT depend on bzip2, instead it "Suggests" |
| 22:18.35 | nsadmin | oh, it was? cool! |
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| 22:19.06 | peterS | no, ls can't do what ps and top can do in terms of specifying your own columns |
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| 22:19.25 | abrotman | nsadmin: columnization of what exactly? |
| 22:20.11 | abrotman | curses HP |
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| 22:20.26 | peterrooney | abrotman: get in line. |
| 22:20.28 | nsadmin | of anything... and, column is not the same algorithm in ls |
| 22:20.37 | nsadmin | it is a good start |
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| 22:41.18 | dclarke | question : how does one get a full package list on a debian server such that I can ensure two servers have the exact same packages installed ? |
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| 22:42.36 | LtL | dclarke: dpkg -l i believe, you may want to check to man page |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | !tell dclarke about debian clone |
| 22:43.03 | dclarke | LtL, I am fairly sure there is a command that gives a full pkg inventory |
| 22:43.12 | LtL | dclarke: dpkg -l |wc -l would be a cursory check on each box |
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| 22:43.22 | dclarke | abrotman, thank you |
| 22:43.28 | devmikey | question: do you how or why a machine could have root's password set via single user mode, and yet still be unable to login as root from the terminal? |
| 22:44.27 | nsadmin | devmikey, "the terminal" meanind what, first? |
| 22:44.31 | abrotman | devmikey: was / mounted read-only when you did that ? |
| 22:44.47 | devmikey | abrotman: no, passwd updated stuff successfully |
| 22:44.58 | abrotman | devmikey: is there another auth mechanism in place besides standard local passwd ? |
| 22:45.03 | devmikey | nsadmin: like, in front of the machine |
| 22:45.06 | abrotman | devmikey: you compared files before/after ? |
| 22:45.14 | devmikey | abrotman: I dont know, I didnt set the machine up |
| 22:45.29 | abrotman | devmikey: can you check /etc/pam.d/login ? |
| 22:45.35 | nsadmin | devmikey, still lots of terminals avail... do you mean the virtual consoles? |
| 22:45.51 | themill | nsadmin: what do you mean by "single user mode"... |
| 22:45.54 | devmikey | abrotman: I didnt check the shadow file's date modified |
| 22:45.56 | abrotman | yes, he's one of the three people in teh world with a wyse terminal hooked to a linux box |
| 22:46.05 | abrotman | devmikey: you can't check it now ? |
| 22:46.10 | devmikey | abrotman: I can |
| 22:46.11 | abrotman | oh, can't login .. right |
| 22:46.12 | nsadmin | themill, I never said that |
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| 22:46.28 | themill | nsadmin: feel free to reread the question then |
| 22:46.30 | devmikey | I'll have to reboot |
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| 22:46.34 | nsadmin | please stop implying that I did; it's annoying |
| 22:46.38 | abrotman | devmikey: can you login as any user? |
| 22:46.43 | dclarke | pats his Link MC5 terminal at his side |
| 22:46.49 | themill | nsadmin: sure, I'll stop implying that you read the question. |
| 22:46.53 | abrotman | dclarke: but you're blind, aren't you? |
| 22:46.56 | devmikey | And I mean, like i'm at the machine, in front of it using its keyboard |
| 22:47.15 | devmikey | abrotman: no I can only touch things via single user mode |
| 22:47.18 | abrotman | devmikey: most of us knew what you meant .... |
| 22:47.19 | devmikey | one moment |
| 22:47.25 | devmikey | :D |
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| 22:47.31 | nsadmin | themill, do you like defaming other's character? |
| 22:47.33 | abrotman | devmikey: while you're in single user mode, create a local user that oyu know the password for |
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| 22:47.54 | themill | nsadmin: I do like to make sure that people are getting useful help in this channel. |
| 22:48.49 | nsadmin | this is dangerous waters you tread. you typically act like an asshole towards people you don't like and therefore people don't like you. people get sued around that. |
| 22:49.08 | abrotman | get sued? from IRC interaction?! |
| 22:49.29 | nsadmin | why not? the channel is said to be publically logged |
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| 22:49.35 | devmikey | abrotman: shadow file appears old |
| 22:49.46 | abrotman | nsadmin: do you know the grounds to sue for defamation ? |
| 22:49.54 | themill | nsadmin: like or dislike has nothing to do with it. Offering poor advice and failing to pay attention to what is going on in the channel is unwelcome in #debian. |
| 22:50.01 | abrotman | devmikey: are you sure you remounted / as rw ? |
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| 22:50.13 | abrotman | devmikey: mount -o rw,remount / |
| 22:50.24 | devmikey | I just added rw init=/bin/bash to the boot script |
| 22:50.29 | nsadmin | themill, yes it does. the way you go about it shows intent |
| 22:50.38 | abrotman | doesn't make him wrong |
| 22:50.41 | abrotman | devmikey: mount -o rw,remount / |
| 22:50.46 | devmikey | ok, one sec |
| 22:50.59 | nsadmin | abrotman, his comment is what makes him wrong |
| 22:51.01 | abrotman | devmikey: then change the password .. add a local user |
| 22:51.07 | abrotman | nsadmin: not really |
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| 22:51.39 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you don't understand what a single user terminal is .. maybe you shouldn't have said anything |
| 22:51.50 | devmikey | mount doesnt have -o |
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| 22:51.55 | devmikey | and I have no remount cmd |
| 22:52.07 | abrotman | devmikey: it's a single command .. this is Debian ? |
| 22:52.13 | nsadmin | abrotman, he said he set the password from that, not logged in at it |
| 22:52.17 | devmikey | debian, yes |
| 22:52.28 | abrotman | nsadmin: just stop, you're embarrassing yourself |
| 22:52.37 | devmikey | mount doesnt appear to have a -o option, lemme check |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | devmikey: so type as a single command "mount -o rw,remount / |
| 22:52.45 | abrotman | devmikey: so type as a single command "mount -o rw,remount /" |
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| 22:53.38 | nsadmin | devmikey, mount absolutely has -o |
| 22:54.04 | devmikey | abrotman: ok, that seemed to work |
| 22:54.16 | devmikey | shadow has new date |
| 22:54.17 | abrotman | devmikey: okay, so change the password, create a local user with a password you know |
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| 22:54.22 | abrotman | ah butter |
| 22:54.23 | abrotman | better |
| 22:54.29 | abrotman | doesn't even like butter! |
| 22:54.35 | devmikey | i like butter |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | devmikey: sync, mount -o ro,remount / |
| 22:54.46 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 22:54.56 | abrotman | sync ; mount -o ro,remount / |
| 22:55.13 | nsadmin | right, the , after sync is not going to work |
| 22:55.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: please don't edit me |
| 22:55.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:56.05 | funkadelic | What does this mean, in a sed script? 's@/[^/]+@@' |
| 22:56.42 | nsadmin | funkadelic, the @ are delimeter |
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| 22:56.56 | nsadmin | s means substitute |
| 22:56.58 | devmikey | abrotman: I'm all set, logged in normally as root |
| 22:56.59 | devmikey | thx |
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| 22:57.08 | funkadelic | oh ok |
| 22:57.16 | abrotman | devmikey: enjoy! |
| 22:57.18 | devmikey | You know hat's weird? I logged in via ssh using the same password a half hour ago |
| 22:57.27 | devmikey | logged in as root |
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| 22:57.36 | devmikey | I have no idea wth |
| 22:57.41 | abrotman | as long as it works now |
| 22:57.56 | Andorin | What's the website that helps you get the latest Firefox/Iceweasel on squeeze? Can't find it |
| 22:58.21 | abrotman | Andorin: mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:58.28 | nsadmin | so in total it means: substutute /[^/]+ with nothing (essentialy removing that) |
| 22:58.31 | Andorin | Thanks |
| 22:58.42 | Andorin | I knew it was something simple like that |
| 22:58.46 | abrotman | funkadelic: there is #sed |
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| 22:59.16 | funkadelic | Oh i see nsadmin |
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| 22:59.56 | nsadmin | funkadelic, after that, just need to know what /[^/]+ means |
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| 23:00.34 | nsadmin | for that you can man grep (among others) |
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| 23:00.50 | funkadelic | Here's the full script I'm trying to figure out: find /path/to/root -type f | tee >(egrep '[.](rar|zip|exe)$' | sed -r -e 's@/[^/]+@@' | sort -u > exclusions) >(egrep '[.](flac|mp3|aac)$' | sed -re 's@[^/]+@@' | sort -u > inclusions)) |
| 23:01.09 | funkadelic | this is from an earlier convo in #bash |
| 23:01.40 | funkadelic | I'm trying to wrap my mind around all of it, but I don't get what those @ signs are |
| 23:01.47 | nsadmin | funkadelic, so, take it apart and figure out the pieces |
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| 23:02.07 | funkadelic | Why would I be using @ as a delimiter? |
| 23:02.20 | funkadelic | Here's the full script I'm trying to figure out: find /path/to/root -type f | tee >(egrep '[.](rar|zip|exe)$' | sed -r -e 's@/[^/]+$@@' | sort -u > exclusions) >(egrep '[.](flac|mp3|aac)$' | sed -re 's@[^/]+@@' | sort -u > inclusions)) *fixed |
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| 23:03.28 | nsadmin | funkadelic, ok. s/// can use any char for delimiter,,, sometimes it's more convenient to use / as delimiter (the default), and sometimes (when there are / chars inside) it's convenient to use a different delimiter |
| 23:04.03 | nsadmin | in this case, since there were / inside, they chose a different delimiter, @ |
| 23:04.24 | funkadelic | Oh, so the beginning, s@, means that for the rest of that sed statement, @ will be the delimiter? |
| 23:04.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: perhaps you should explain the 's@/[^/]+@@' substitution logic ? |
| 23:04.36 | abrotman | you know, what it's actually searching and replacing |
| 23:04.53 | funkadelic | I know that ^ means beginning of a line |
| 23:05.12 | nsadmin | funkadelic, yes but not inside [] |
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| 23:05.55 | nsadmin | in fact it would have to be [^ ... ] to have the effect it does inside your example |
| 23:06.07 | nsadmin | that is, the ^ has to be the first char after [ |
| 23:06.34 | funkadelic | What does that mean then? |
| 23:06.38 | nsadmin | do you understand what [] does in a re? |
| 23:06.53 | funkadelic | no |
| 23:07.00 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 23:07.53 | nsadmin | it specifies a pile full of chars which could match |
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| 23:08.40 | nsadmin | for example, l[oi]ve |
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| 23:08.47 | nsadmin | matches love and live |
| 23:09.40 | nsadmin | questions? |
| 23:09.58 | funkadelic | Oooh I remember that |
| 23:10.18 | funkadelic | So what does the ^ do in that instance? |
| 23:10.28 | nsadmin | matches anything ELSE |
| 23:10.45 | funkadelic | Anything except / in this case? |
| 23:11.23 | nsadmin | example, l[^oi]ve matches lave, lbve, lcve, l#ve, l2ve |
| 23:11.36 | nsadmin | correct |
| 23:11.49 | funkadelic | oh i got it |
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| 23:12.15 | nsadmin | in your example, what's before the "anything except /"? |
| 23:12.17 | funkadelic | So in practice, what would that do? |
| 23:12.37 | nsadmin | that's what I'm trying to get you to think about |
| 23:12.41 | funkadelic | I don't know what the +@@ does |
| 23:12.59 | funkadelic | I just see two delimiters |
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| 23:13.14 | nsadmin | the @@ are the delimiters on the s |
| 23:13.33 | nsadmin | we'll talk about the + in a moment |
| 23:13.41 | funkadelic | Does the + mean through to the end? |
| 23:13.55 | funkadelic | Like from the / to the end? |
| 23:14.14 | nsadmin | not necessarily... |
| 23:14.20 | funkadelic | Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else |
| 23:14.47 | nsadmin | stick with me, we'll get this done faster (and no less quality) |
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| 23:15.12 | nsadmin | so the thing that comes before "anything but /"? |
| 23:16.15 | nsadmin | is itself a / |
| 23:16.27 | nsadmin | so this could for example match /a |
| 23:16.59 | funkadelic | How is it itself a /? |
| 23:17.09 | nsadmin | look at the expression |
| 23:17.15 | nsadmin | before the [ |
| 23:17.37 | funkadelic | 's@/[^/]+@@' |
| 23:17.47 | funkadelic | Just putting that there :P |
| 23:17.56 | nsadmin | ok, now taking the s@@@ away |
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| 23:18.13 | funkadelic | Oh, it should be 's@/[^/]+$@@' |
| 23:18.21 | funkadelic | that's what he said |
| 23:18.41 | nsadmin | are you sure about the $? |
| 23:18.45 | funkadelic | no |
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| 23:18.54 | funkadelic | I'm not sure about any of it, this is just what I've been told |
| 23:19.01 | nsadmin | let's continue to work with what we have so we know exactly what it is |
| 23:19.30 | nsadmin | then, we'll put the $ in, to see what that means |
| 23:20.05 | nsadmin | (they could be right, btw, but let;s still work with this) |
| 23:20.15 | funkadelic | ok |
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| 23:21.19 | nsadmin | reminder of what the s@@@ does: s@find this@replace with this@ |
| 23:21.53 | funkadelic | Yeah, that's what I remember about it |
| 23:22.05 | funkadelic | like s/old/new/g for global replace |
| 23:22.33 | nsadmin | ok, so the "find this" in your example, is /[^/]+ |
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| 23:22.47 | funkadelic | Oh, so it's replacing that with nothing, effectively deleting it |
| 23:22.53 | nsadmin | yes! |
| 23:23.15 | funkadelic | Now I just have to figure out what that /[^/]+ means |
| 23:23.20 | nsadmin | right |
| 23:23.31 | funkadelic | I know that [^/] means everything except / |
| 23:23.39 | nsadmin | and the thing before that? |
| 23:23.56 | funkadelic | does it mean root? |
| 23:24.00 | funkadelic | root directory? |
| 23:24.34 | nsadmin | let's pretend no special meaning, we're just playing with chars |
| 23:24.55 | nsadmin | so let's not assume for example this is a path name (even though we know it probably is) |
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| 23:25.24 | nsadmin | if we make that assumption too early, it's too many things to think about at once |
| 23:25.28 | funkadelic | 's@/[^/]+@@' So it means substitute "/(anything-but-/)+" with nothing |
| 23:25.37 | nsadmin | correct |
| 23:25.44 | devmikey | abrotman: It would appear that prior to reboot, the system was in some kind of complicated virtual environment which it lo longer is in and which I highly doubt I could get it back into :( |
| 23:25.56 | nsadmin | only one thing left |
| 23:26.12 | nsadmin | which is enumeration |
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| 23:26.40 | funkadelic | I don't know what that + on the end means |
| 23:26.54 | nsadmin | a{1,4| matches: a aa aaa aaaa |
| 23:27.04 | nsadmin | wait, screwed that up |
| 23:27.05 | abrotman | devmikey: eh what? |
| 23:27.11 | nsadmin | a{1,4} matches: a aa aaa aaaa |
| 23:27.26 | funkadelic | ok |
| 23:27.39 | nsadmin | a{4} matches ONLY aaaa |
| 23:27.59 | funkadelic | then what does a+ mean? |
| 23:28.23 | nsadmin | if you take away one of the numbers, it's left uncertain, so: |
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| 23:28.56 | roue | hola |
| 23:29.11 | nsadmin | a{,4} (note missing first number) matches: "" "a" "aa" "aaa" "aaaa" |
| 23:30.11 | funkadelic | ok i got it |
| 23:30.11 | nsadmin | a{2,} matches a aa aaa aaaa aaaaa aaaaaa aaaaaaa etc etc |
| 23:30.25 | dvs | oops |
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| 23:30.38 | funkadelic | would a{2,} only match aa aaa aaaa etc? |
| 23:30.44 | funkadelic | not a by itself |
| 23:30.55 | roue | I'm trying to help a friend remotely through a lenny -> squeeze upgrade. I don't have access to the box, but they can email me config files and stdout from various commands. The upgrade went smoothly except for the X install. They can startx, but only get a grey screen with no mouse. I've got the Xorg.0.log file and it looks okay (might be missing something) and I asked them to run X -configure and move the xorg.new.conf file to /etc/X11 |
| 23:31.03 | nsadmin | there are two special enumerations that are considered so useful they are abbreviated |
| 23:31.20 | nsadmin | funkadelic, correct. NOT a, but aa, aaa, etc. |
| 23:32.12 | nsadmin | doin ok? questions? |
| 23:32.24 | funkadelic | yeah, I get everything up to now |
| 23:32.29 | abrotman | roue: what video ard? |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | card? |
| 23:32.33 | funkadelic | What are those abbreviations? |
| 23:33.01 | nsadmin | ok, so the two special enumerations are {0,} and {1,} |
| 23:33.48 | nsadmin | {0,} is * and {1,} is + |
| 23:34.02 | funkadelic | Oh I get it now |
| 23:34.05 | dvs | There's also {0,1} |
| 23:34.25 | nsadmin | which is, ? ? |
| 23:34.25 | funkadelic | Is {0,1} the same as {,1} ? |
| 23:34.32 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 23:34.52 | themill | ("bound" is more often used than "enumeration") |
| 23:35.08 | nsadmin | yeah, I forgot the word |
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| 23:35.25 | themill | or "quantifier" for pcre |
| 23:35.51 | nsadmin | that one tells the story |
| 23:35.53 | roue | abrotman it's an S3 Savage. I had them send me the output of lspci ... let me pull that up. |
| 23:36.10 | nsadmin | whoa :) s3 :) |
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| 23:37.11 | nsadmin | roue, see if they're willing to show the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 23:37.18 | abrotman | roue: uhm .. not going to work |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: did you ever actually tell funkadelic what that sed statement does? or just talk around it? |
| 23:37.53 | funkadelic | that's what I was about to ask |
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| 23:38.05 | nsadmin | abrotman, correct, he's coming up with that himself |
| 23:39.13 | nsadmin | so if we try to match the /[^/]+ on the string foo/bar/baz what string does that match? |
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| 23:39.45 | nsadmin | (don't consider the "remove" part that the s@@@ does, yet) |
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| 23:41.27 | nsadmin | abrotman, doing things this way means his ability to evaluate other regexps increases so he can figure out other regexps and to see why the suggestion made to him ($) was suggested and what it does |
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| 23:41.56 | nsadmin | along with a whole class of other regexps |
| 23:42.40 | funkadelic | sorry I was afk for a min |
| 23:42.53 | nsadmin | ok, I'll ask again :) |
| 23:43.08 | abrotman | funkadelic: #sed is probably far more direct |
| 23:43.21 | nsadmin | so if we try to match the /[^/]+ on the string foo/bar/baz what string does that match? (don't think about the effect of s@@@) |
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| 23:43.30 | Rosenzweig | Hey guys, I have a small issue. |
| 23:43.31 | funkadelic | It's ok, I learn better this way for future knowledge |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | skeptical |
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| 23:43.49 | funkadelic | it matches /bar and /baz? |
| 23:44.11 | nsadmin | if it's "not greedy", it just matches /bar |
| 23:44.23 | Rosenzweig | I updated gnome today and of course it broke again. Well basically, it started hanging on bootup so I switched over to a ctrl-alt-f1. |
| 23:44.31 | nsadmin | if we say g at the end, it's greedy |
| 23:44.32 | funkadelic | Oh, if we put a g at the end, would it be greedy and match /baz too? |
| 23:44.38 | Rosenzweig | Anyways, when I tried to update and upgrade every single package, it said that there was an error. |
| 23:44.41 | funkadelic | sweet |
| 23:45.00 | Rosenzweig | sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 23:45.01 | Andorin | Looks like Debian still has the killer bug that pushed me away in the first place... I was loading a page in Iceweasel and my laptop froze. |
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| 23:45.12 | nsadmin | actually "greedy" is subtly different... but we won't go into that |
| 23:45.13 | Rosenzweig | Basically, I can't upgrade because a package refuses to be removed. |
| 23:45.18 | Rosenzweig | fglrx-glx-ia32. |
| 23:45.35 | nsadmin | here's the next part: |
| 23:45.38 | Rosenzweig | I've tried sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx-glx-ia32, aptitude remove fglrx-glx-ia32. |
| 23:45.40 | Rosenzweig | Nothing works. |
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| 23:46.20 | nsadmin | ^ (outside [] and at the beginning) means start of the string, and $ at the end means end of string |
| 23:46.46 | nsadmin | I'll get to those in a moment |
| 23:47.26 | Rosenzweig | If anyone could help me with this odd issue, it would be appreciated. :) |
| 23:47.57 | abrotman | Rosenzweig: we'd need you to pastebin the error |
| 23:48.10 | abrotman | Rosenzweig: all of it |
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| 23:49.14 | nsadmin | if we now apply s@/[^/]+@@ to foo/bar/baz, we know the regex matches /bar. what is the result? |
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| 23:49.46 | Rosenzweig | That'll take a while abrotman. It's not like I can exactly copy and paste it. :( |
| 23:49.59 | funkadelic | Oh, it matches the innermost subdirectory |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | Rosenzweig: you can't ssh in ? |
| 23:50.21 | nsadmin | well if we thought it was a path name :) |
| 23:51.20 | nsadmin | funkadelic, so, what does the s@(that thing@@ remove? |
| 23:51.57 | funkadelic | find /path/to/root -type f | tee >(egrep '[.](rar|zip|exe)$' | sed -r -e 's@/[^/]+@@' | sort -u > exclusions) >(egrep '[.](flac|mp3|aac)$' | sed -re 's@[^/]+$@@' | sort -u > inclusions)) |
| 23:52.29 | funkadelic | so... it removes directories? |
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| 23:52.32 | Rosenzweig | I'm going to try a safe upgrade first. |
| 23:52.34 | Rosenzweig | Maybe that'll fix it. |
| 23:53.02 | nsadmin | funkadelic, yes... and when it removes the thing matched, what's left? |
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| 23:53.47 | jdolan | what's the right way to set environment variables on wheezy? |
| 23:54.00 | funkadelic | hm... the files? |
| 23:54.01 | jdolan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.06 | funkadelic | no |
| 23:54.23 | _KaszpiR_ | /etc/profile.d/ |
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| 23:54.37 | nsadmin | funkadelic, stay with this example, think "it's just a string, no other meaning" |
| 23:54.38 | funkadelic | But wait, why does that match /baz out of foo/bar/baz instead of /bar/baz? |
| 23:55.04 | funkadelic | Shouldn't it match /bar/baz because /bar/baz is the first /-then-non-/-word? |
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| 23:55.34 | nsadmin | this is exactly the difference between the first sed and the second |
| 23:56.11 | devmikey | abrotman: well I wasnt sshing into the main server before |
| 23:56.12 | jdolan | do i have to restart for changes to files in profile.d to be recognized? |
| 23:56.18 | _KaszpiR_ | no |
| 23:56.21 | funkadelic | Oh, there should be a $ sign before the @@ I think |
| 23:56.24 | _KaszpiR_ | it is parsed on user login |
| 23:56.36 | devmikey | and upon reboot, the drives arent mounted at all the same |
| 23:56.37 | _KaszpiR_ | so its super effective ;D |
| 23:56.48 | funkadelic | find /path/to/root -type f | tee >(egrep '[.](rar|zip|exe)$' | sed -r -e 's@/[^/]+$@@' | sort -u > exclusions) >(egrep '[.](flac|mp3|aac)$' | sed -re 's@[^/]+$@@' | sort -u > inclusions)) |
| 23:56.49 | _KaszpiR_ | just relogin via ssh and should be enough |
| 23:57.04 | nsadmin | taking the first one: s@/[^/]+@@ and applying that to "foo/bar/baz", the regex matches /bar |
| 23:57.11 | abrotman | devmikey: how many boxes are involved here? |
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| 23:57.30 | nsadmin | so, the s@@@ removes what's matched, which again is /bar |
| 23:57.41 | nsadmin | so we're left with foo/baz |
| 23:57.47 | abrotman | did you try that? |
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| 23:58.15 | funkadelic | but why doesn't it match /bar/baz? |
| 23:58.23 | funkadelic | because /bar/baz is the first string it matches |
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| 23:58.30 | funkadelic | or is it? |
| 23:58.49 | themill | at this stage, considering the real input it will receive is worthwhile |
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| 23:59.47 | funkadelic | so let's say it matches /path/a/my.exe |
