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| 00:00.15 | dokma | I've got main Debian installation on /dev/sda1 and a new installation on /dev/sda2. All on a remote dedicated box. When I try to boot the /dev/sda2 instance with grub-reboot 2 and reboot I cannot ssh into it after it goes up. |
| 00:00.22 | devmikey | abrotman: one |
| 00:00.30 | dokma | what to do to find out blindly what happens? |
| 00:00.38 | slimcharles | anybody know a good image server program? |
| 00:01.01 | funkadelic | what would it remove then? /path/a/ ? |
| 00:01.25 | funkadelic | but it would leave /path/b/hello.mp3 ? |
| 00:01.40 | nsadmin | sec. |
| 00:02.03 | GRMrGecko | I'm seeing this, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Nouveau#.28EE.29_.5Bdrm.5D_No_DRICreatePCIBusID_symbol, yet I do not know how I might fix this as I have no Xorg.conf. |
| 00:02.18 | GRMrGecko | I'm trying to make it with Xorg -configure |
| 00:02.32 | dokma | abrotman: got any good idea? |
| 00:03.07 | abrotman | devmikey: i don't think i quite understand |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | dokma: /msg dpkg z70 |
| 00:03.57 | nsadmin | hmm. something's wrong |
| 00:04.10 | dokma | abrotman: arghhh....forgot about that |
| 00:06.39 | Rosenzweig | Okay. |
| 00:06.48 | Rosenzweig | So apparently, the package it is complaining about does not exist. |
| 00:06.51 | Rosenzweig | That's why it can't remove it. |
| 00:06.54 | Rosenzweig | Because ti doesn't exist. |
| 00:06.56 | Rosenzweig | it* |
| 00:06.56 | nsadmin | sed doesn't understand quantifiers?! |
| 00:07.08 | Rosenzweig | So I need to create a package by the name of "fglrx-glx-ia32" and remove it. |
| 00:07.08 | themill | eh? |
| 00:08.23 | nsadmin | themill: that was to me? |
| 00:08.32 | themill | nsadmin: indeed. |
| 00:08.47 | funkadelic | I g2g, but I've learned a lot and I'll figure the rest out later |
| 00:09.15 | nsadmin | funkadelic, glad to hear it :) btw, sed is misbehaving... anyway, seeya :) |
| 00:09.41 | nsadmin | themill, so here's what I'm getting: |
| 00:09.59 | devmikey | abrotman: I dont totally either |
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| 00:10.45 | devmikey | but basically, after I rebooted this server and logged in as root, the devices werent mapped the same anymore |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | devmikey: what is the underlying structure? |
| 00:11.21 | nsadmin | using sed -e 's@/[^/]+@@': a/a -> a/a; a/aa -> a/aa; a/a+ -> a |
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| 00:12.03 | nsadmin | using sed -e 's@/[^/]@@' (no +): a/a -> a |
| 00:12.39 | themill | nsadmin: you forgot the -r |
| 00:12.41 | nsadmin | it looks like it considers quantifiers literally |
| 00:12.48 | nsadmin | oh |
| 00:12.54 | nsadmin | checking man |
| 00:13.21 | themill | (cf. the commands funkadelic pasted in here a dozen times) |
| 00:13.49 | nsadmin | quantifiers are "extended"? |
| 00:15.26 | nsadmin | it just goes to show how different authors take different subsets of regexp definition |
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| 00:16.26 | themill | regex(7) discusses this in detail |
| 00:16.26 | devmikey | abrotman: I have no idea |
| 00:16.39 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:16.44 | devmikey | gotta go |
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| 00:17.05 | nsadmin | is that also the difference between grep and egrep? |
| 00:17.44 | abrotman | where'd he go ... |
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| 00:18.11 | nsadmin | <devmikey> gotta go |
| 00:18.11 | nsadmin | * devmikey (~irc@unaffiliated/devmikey) has left #debian |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | i see that .. thanks .. |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | that doesn't tell me *where* he went |
| 00:18.51 | nsadmin | the "where" is off channel... maybe he's still on the net |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | don't you have sed to pretend to know? :) |
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| 00:20.26 | nsadmin | abrotman, as you asked the question, perhaps you have more interest than I |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 00:22.28 | famicom | lo room |
| 00:22.49 | dvs | hi |
| 00:22.54 | famicom | I got an atheros 8151 ethernet nic, it works fine Centos |
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| 00:23.01 | famicom | which is a terrible distro |
| 00:23.15 | famicom | But somehow I cannot get the driver to work on debian |
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| 00:23.35 | famicom | I've tried several ways to fix it, including using a backported kernel, but no dice |
| 00:23.39 | dvs | famicom: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 00:24.34 | famicom | give me a moment, something just panicked |
| 00:25.20 | abrotman | something? |
| 00:25.58 | famicom | something unrelatd |
| 00:26.33 | nsadmin | BUGS: Having twon kinds of REs is a botch. (from regex(7)) |
| 00:27.13 | famicom | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet [1969:1063] (rev c0) |
| 00:27.31 | dvs | ,pciid 1969:1063 |
| 00:27.32 | judd | [1969:1063] is 'AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'atl1c' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1063 |
| 00:28.25 | famicom | is there any difference between the atl1e and atl1c modules |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | they have different names? |
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| 00:51.31 | boycottF1 | hi |
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| 00:52.09 | boycottF1 | is there a way i can find out if my notebook contains an accelerometer sensor? |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | shake it? :) |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | !tell boycottF1 about whats my hardware |
| 00:52.40 | boycottF1 | well, and then? how can i read the value? :) |
| 00:53.01 | gnarface | you can probably read it with cat |
| 00:53.09 | David-A | How to make a .deb? I've "apt-get source libsane", "dpatch apply-all", edit source, "./configure", and "make", but what to do instead of "sudo make install" to get a .deb? |
| 00:53.11 | gnarface | but doing something useful with it is another story... |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | !tell David-A about nmg |
| 00:53.46 | gnarface | you can read mouse input with cat too but it just comes out like $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$4 $$$$$#423294329483284 ,,f,dsahufy8e832 $$$$$$$$$$44 |
| 00:54.17 | gnarface | hmm. or maybe that's joystick input |
| 00:54.27 | boycottF1 | abrotman: thanks, i'm going to try those programs. |
| 00:54.29 | nsadmin | boycottF1, you can get additional information by googling linux accelerometer support |
| 00:56.32 | David-A | (Aha, New Maintainers Guide, not Nepean Motor Group) |
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| 00:57.09 | abrotman | David-A: the bot shuld have given you a link or two? |
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| 00:57.58 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: thanks ! |
| 00:58.13 | David-A | abrotman: didnt see a bot. does (exclamation)tell work? I got two links now anyways. |
| 00:58.38 | abrotman | David-A: yes, look for a message from 'dpkg' .. might be in your server status window depending on your client |
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| 00:59.37 | David-A | abrotman: got it |
| 00:59.44 | David-A | thanks |
| 00:59.47 | DammitJim | does anyone use sharepod? |
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| 01:00.25 | nsadmin | DammitJim! I'm a doctor not an anyone! |
| 01:01.25 | boycottF1 | gnarface: i tried joystick input, joystick use /dev/event* and i cant find any accelerometer there :( |
| 01:01.29 | nsadmin | boycottF1, hope it |
| 01:01.33 | nsadmin | is of use |
| 01:01.50 | nsadmin | , v sharepod |
| 01:01.51 | judd | No package named 'sharepod' was found in i386. |
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| 01:02.09 | nsadmin | DammitJim, any idea of the package name? |
| 01:02.21 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: do you know if it is a really new thing ? i bought my notebook in the last months of 2010... |
| 01:02.54 | abrotman | boycottF1: did you try google yet? |
| 01:02.55 | nsadmin | accelerometers are used with what? gps? |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | OMG ... |
| 01:03.24 | gnarface | boycottF1: well even if the device shows up in lspci or whatever you'd still need the right driver loaded to expect any relevant /dev nodes to be present ... not that i've ever done this or have one |
| 01:03.49 | gnarface | boycottF1: abrotman is about to lose his shit. just do what he says and both of you will be happier |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | has nothing to do with boycottF1 |
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| 01:04.16 | abrotman | boycottF1: even if the system has one somewhere, may not be OS-accessible |
| 01:04.18 | gnarface | oh |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | boycottF1: what kind of laptop is it? |
| 01:04.58 | nsadmin | yeah, abrotman was probably OMGing because I try to learn new stuff, even while helping |
| 01:05.08 | boycottF1 | abrotman: an asus |
| 01:05.23 | gnarface | nsadmin: accelerometers were popularized by the nintendo Wii remote (generation 1) later added to smartphones such as the iPhone and the openMoko Freerunner |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | nsadmin: as you suggested to him earlier, use google |
| 01:06.05 | nsadmin | gnarface, oh, to determine its orientation so it can do things like rotate the screen |
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| 01:06.13 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: accelerometer is used as an antishock protection , to lock the hard disk heads. I know it can be used as seimic sensor |
| 01:06.14 | gnarface | nsadmin: they're primarily used for gaming but i've heard word they could theoretically (and may actually now be) used for stuff like ... drop sensing - to park the harddrive before it hits the ground |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | boycottF1: i know that some of the thinkpads have them .. they use them to detect if the laptop has been dropped and then do something like pulling the heads away from the disk |
| 01:06.26 | gnarface | nsadmin: yea, androids use accelerometers for that |
| 01:06.35 | boycottF1 | (and i NEED it , 'cause of recent local earthquakes) |
| 01:06.38 | boycottF1 | :) |
| 01:06.57 | nsadmin | boycottF1, oh, that's an application I didn 't know about |
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| 01:07.15 | nsadmin | boycottF1, where are you located? |
| 01:07.16 | abrotman | those must be some huge earthquakes |
| 01:07.18 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: google qcn seismic |
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| 01:07.47 | gnarface | nsadmin: screen orientation is one thing ... what you can do with them though is dependent on how many axies you got... one accelerometer only works on one axis typically... so to sense acceleration in 3 dimensions you need at least 2 accelerometers (i think) |
| 01:08.10 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: http://qcn.stanford.edu/ << just an example |
| 01:08.13 | nsadmin | so you need 3 for a complete idea |
| 01:08.20 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: North Italy |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | three what? |
| 01:08.50 | abrotman | would tihnk they're contained within one unit .. |
| 01:08.54 | gnarface | abrotman: 3 shots of brandy |
| 01:08.59 | gnarface | abrotman: for great justice |
| 01:09.03 | abrotman | mmm |
| 01:09.32 | nsadmin | how small are they? |
| 01:09.36 | gnarface | tiny |
| 01:09.37 | gnarface | miniscule |
| 01:09.41 | jasox | Can someone help me with this problem? http://pastie.org/3953090 |
| 01:09.43 | gnarface | they're micro-gyroscopes, essentially |
| 01:09.58 | boycottF1 | gnarface: you're right, there're different kind of earthquake, but i think 1 accelerometer is better than none :) |
| 01:09.59 | gnarface | the original iphone had 1 |
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| 01:10.29 | gnarface | the generation 1 wii remotes had 2 or 3 (i forget) and there are linux drivers for those |
| 01:10.39 | gnarface | the openmoko freerunner had 2 |
| 01:10.43 | gnarface | if i recall |
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| 01:11.16 | gnarface | newer generation wii remotes have something better in addition though that can sense position without movement, which you can't do with just accelerometers |
| 01:11.22 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: look on wikipedia to get an idea. It's like a 'button' with many pins that close a circuits. different pin == different pression. |
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| 01:13.14 | jair | hello guys I am getting a message "cannot send to the channel" in #mysql do you know what that is? |
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| 01:14.09 | abrotman | jair: you may be registered, but you haven't identified .. /msg nickserv help |
| 01:14.14 | boycottF1 | gnarface: yes, that wii thing seems interesting. maybe it could be possible to build an accelerometer using mercury (?!?) |
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| 01:14.28 | jair | abrotman: interesting I thought I did... |
| 01:14.36 | jair | abrotman: thank you will do that right now |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | jair: /whois says you have not |
| 01:14.56 | jair | abrotman: thank you so much my friend I will take care of that right away |
| 01:15.00 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 01:15.10 | jair | abrotman: ;) |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | has smapi drivers in source packages, but not built as .ko .. oh well |
| 01:15.33 | jasox | Can someone help me with this problem? http://pastie.org/3953090 |
| 01:15.50 | abrotman | oh .. it's dkms stuff now |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | jasox: in testing? |
| 01:16.11 | gnarface | boycottF1: seems plausible but its above my head on the hardware end. if your end goal is just getting a forewarning when that supervolcano near you errupts cause those idiots are drilling a hole into it to see if it will wake up though, then you might really want to consider just buying a wii remote and loading some linux drivers for it and leaving it on your coffee table logging data |
| 01:16.41 | jasox | abrotman: yes |
| 01:16.59 | abrotman | jasox: AMD fglrx is not compatible with Xorg 1.12 |
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| 01:17.07 | gnarface | boycottF1: i doubt you'll find a any accelerometers in consumer-grade hardware more sensetive and cost-effective than a wii remote |
| 01:17.12 | nsadmin | or move away from volcano :) |
| 01:17.31 | jasox | damn |
| 01:18.05 | boycottF1 | gnarface: lol, maybe i'll need to look the price on ebay :) |
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| 01:18.11 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: i cant :( |
| 01:19.28 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: btw there're _no_ vulcanos here. Just plain earthquake. Appennini (mountains) are pressing against Alpi (other mountains) and i just live in the middle XD |
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| 01:20.21 | boycottF1 | hey what doesn "netsplit" means? O.o |
| 01:20.40 | nsadmin | two normally connected irc servers disconnecting |
| 01:20.53 | boycottF1 | is it arriving also a "netmerge" then? |
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| 01:21.03 | nsadmin | yes, supposedly :) |
| 01:21.04 | dvs | boycottF1: That'll come soon |
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| 01:21.44 | boycottF1 | dvs: is netsplit accidental or programmed? |
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| 01:22.03 | nsadmin | most times it's done by an irc operator |
| 01:22.22 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: but why? technical problems? |
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| 01:23.05 | nsadmin | they might have a misbehaving server they want to restart, or might want to upgrade all servers (but there's be notice of that last) |
| 01:23.20 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: ah, ok |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | OMG ... |
| 01:23.43 | nsadmin | or just want to adjust the route of a connection between servers |
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| 01:24.42 | boycottF1 | gnarface: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/?_nkw=wii%20remote&clk_rvr_id=345692455157 << is this what you're talking about? |
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| 01:25.29 | dvs | get outta here! |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | OMG, they're restarting servers like crazy! |
| 01:26.10 | dvs | upgrading to 6.0.5 |
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| 01:26.41 | boycottF1 | nsadmin: do you mean that i can use this server to connect to other networks ? |
| 01:26.47 | boycottF1 | is that possible? |
| 01:26.48 | gnarface | boycottF1: yep, that's the one. although those mostly seem to also come with the joystick (aka nunchaku) extension which is probably unnecessary for your purposes, (i don't even know if there's linux drivers for that part or not) but does contain another accelerometer |
| 01:27.25 | boycottF1 | gnarface: but i cant see any usb ?! |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | boycottF1: a netsplit typically happens when a node loses connection with the network, generally not intentionally done .. could be OS related, network related, ISP related .. |
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| 01:27.49 | abrotman | has no idea where nsadmin gets his information |
| 01:27.57 | nsadmin | boycottF1, you could if you operated the server |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | boycottF1: when the node is split intentionally, the staff usually tells us before hand |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | boycottF1: but they try to do that sparingly, users don't tend to like that :) |
| 01:29.00 | gnarface | boycottF1: dude, its BLUETOOTH (they do sell usb->bluetooth adapters if your netbok doens't already have one) |
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| 01:29.35 | gnarface | boycottF1: aka fucking wireless |
| 01:29.52 | gnarface | boycottF1: adds to the "wow" factor |
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| 01:30.41 | dvs | !wb |
| 01:30.41 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
| 01:30.47 | boycottF1 | just a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZVgKu6v808 << into an accelerometer |
| 01:31.00 | gnarface | boycottF1: incidentally, they also have some internal flash storage that you can access with the linux drivers directly if you so choose |
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| 01:32.38 | gnarface | boycottF1: educational! thanks |
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| 01:33.20 | boycottF1 | gnarface: goood, i've blootooth. and what about flash storage, how much? can i also use it to play games on linux? |
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| 01:36.33 | gnarface | boycottF1: well its got an IR camera on its nose so, while i don't know anything at all about the current state of the linux drivers, i do know that at least in theory it could operate as a wireless mouse... all you need is two IR light sources |
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| 01:38.11 | gnarface | boycottF1: in fact on the Wii software the IR camera, with the standard 2-IR-light-source, can tell up from down... as in, if you rotate the wii remote while keeping its nose pointed at the screen, the mouse cursor's "up" stays oriented with the wii remote... i doubt X has support for that even yet but i wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't still use it as a normal mouse |
| 01:38.20 | gnarface | er, *could* still use it as a normal mouse |
| 01:38.29 | gnarface | man it was hard to filter that sentence for double-negatives |
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| 01:39.39 | gnarface | boycottF1: unless that 9$ price on Ebay is pocket change to you, i wouldn't recommend buying one seriously without doing your research first. its unlikely anyone here even knows how to help you if you run into trouble. i'm just giving you this information because it seemed like you were genuinely interested in tracing local seismic activity on the cheap, and were willing to spend some time on it |
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| 01:40.32 | gnarface | boycottF1: and people HAVE done some amazing shit with these wiimotes and custom drivers (both on linux and windows) -- i'm sure some searches on youtube as well as slashdot will come up with some good records of proofs-of-concept |
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| 01:41.36 | gnarface | boycottF1: as for the flash storage... i have no idea but i don't think its very much. the number "15K" came to mind |
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| 01:42.16 | gnarface | boycottF1: there's actually a wikipedia page will full specs and external links to open-source driver projects and such... all from reverse engineering (nintendo won't admit there's anything in there but magic and dreams) |
| 01:43.02 | gnarface | boycottF1: and of course, if you get it working on debian, we'd love to hear about it :) |
| 01:43.46 | gnarface | and by "we" i mean "me" because i don't speak for debian in any context whatsoever |
| 01:44.00 | gnarface | i'm not sure anyone does actually |
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| 01:44.09 | gnarface | its a thing unto its own |
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| 01:47.00 | boycottF1 | yeah thanks for the info gnarface ! :) |
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| 01:48.26 | gnarface | boycottF1: just do us all a favor and don't go out like those poor S.O.B.s that stayed behind in Pompeii |
| 01:48.52 | gnarface | boycottF1: the gas cloud is invisible and usually actually far more deadly than the lava |
| 01:49.04 | boycottF1 | gnarface: LOL. second time: I DONT LIVE NEAR A VULCANO! |
| 01:49.11 | gnarface | haha |
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| 01:49.32 | gnarface | ok |
| 01:49.36 | boycottF1 | Pompei is near Naples, i'm near Milan (1K Km away) :) |
| 01:49.45 | gnarface | hah |
| 01:49.47 | gnarface | riiight |
| 01:49.59 | gnarface | well as long as its downwind |
| 01:50.08 | boycottF1 | wait, .. |
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| 01:51.17 | boycottF1 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombardy , Milano: http://maps.google.com/maps?&q=45.464167,9.190278&spn=0.1,0.1&output=kml |
| 01:51.34 | boycottF1 | we 've got no sea here, we got snow |
| 01:51.45 | boycottF1 | (and no vulcanos) |
| 01:51.56 | boycottF1 | gnarface: where are you from? |
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| 01:52.40 | gnarface | boycottF1: oh i'm in southern california. the wrath of god will sink my shit into the sea any day now. |
| 01:52.53 | gnarface | boycottF1: or so they've been saying for the last 50 years |
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| 01:53.16 | boycottF1 | nice! isnt ganja legal there ? :) |
| 01:53.26 | gnarface | boycottF1: only with a prescription |
| 01:54.31 | boycottF1 | (lol, btw the "nice" was about California, _not_ about the sinking part of you message ) |
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| 01:55.05 | gnarface | boycottF1: but they just barely narrowly failed to make it legal for anyone 21+ (the current law for alcohol in the US) in the last major election, so its only a matter of time... |
| 01:55.09 | gnarface | btw, we're off-topic for #d |
| 01:55.18 | gnarface | this type of conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic |
| 01:55.19 | gnarface | fyi |
| 01:55.31 | roue | and now I'm back. abrotman, are you still here? |
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| 01:56.54 | boycottF1 | gnarface: i read about it: it was also because of Facebook censoring pro-cannabis propaganda (fb == s*it) |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | roue: a wee bit, yes |
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| 01:57.59 | boycottF1 | gnarface: ah, ok. just a bit offtopic :) |
| 01:58.46 | boycottF1 | ok i'm going to look for more accelerometer infos, bye :) |
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| 02:00.41 | roue | you mentioned that the savage s3 wasn't going to work (or maybe not). I was asking for a friend before my house caught on fire and I had run away (hour or two ago). |
| 02:01.05 | roue | what did you mean by that? |
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| 02:01.47 | roue | lspci says "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])" |
| 02:02.06 | abrotman | roue: say what? |
| 02:02.08 | roue | startx generates a grey screen with no mouse. |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | roue: S3 has awful support |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | roue: make sure the 'xorg' package is fully installed |
| 02:02.24 | roue | this is post lenny->squeeze upgrade. |
| 02:02.48 | roue | abrotman what should I have them apt-get install? xorg-server, xorg-server-s3 ? |
| 02:03.04 | nsadmin | roue, what says lspci -nn about the same card |
| 02:03.38 | roue | just what I posted above (I think ) |
| 02:03.54 | roue | that's the first line from lspci -vv. I have the full output. I can pastebin it. |
| 02:04.00 | roue | I also have the Xorg.0.log |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | roue: i just told you |
| 02:04.18 | roue | ah so just apt-get xorg? |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | with a verb, yes |
| 02:04.32 | roue | apt-get install xorg. |
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| 02:04.45 | jasox | How can I easily downgrade to xorg 1.11 ? |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | easily? you can't |
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| 02:05.31 | jasox | what is other way |
| 02:05.41 | jasox | I mean hard way :D |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | !tell jasox about sdn |
| 02:06.34 | jasox | Thanks |
| 02:07.07 | nsadmin | jasox, and medium way would be to pick up a supported card that does everything you want |
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| 02:13.04 | abrotman | roue: how's it going ? |
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| 02:13.55 | abrotman | roue: honestly, S3 cards are poorly supported, they're pretty buggy pieces of hardware .. I used to have a pile of them, they all ended up in CLI-only boxes |
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| 02:24.31 | roue | abrotman dunno. I sent off your suggestion and we'll see how it goes. |
| 02:24.32 | kempo | hi all |
| 02:24.33 | roue | thanks though. |
| 02:24.38 | roue | hi kempo |
| 02:25.03 | kempo | how can i echo random numbers with a specific length of characters? |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | roue: no chance for a new video card? |
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| 03:32.19 | Tekk_ | I've moved a freshly installed squeeze system to wheezy, and once that was done I tried adding the mozilla.debian.net repo. but after I added the key I'm getting warnings when I do update, a gpg error for each repo saying that there was an unknown error executing gpgv |
| 03:32.37 | Tekk_ | I did some searching and it looks like there used to be something similar if the clock was way off, but mine is perfectly on time |
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| 03:37.54 | sajjadg | hi. i get an error when i define a class c range in dhcp server.[/etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf] but i can define a subnet in class a ip range.this is the code i used "subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.1.40 192.168.1.50;} " is there something i missed ? |
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| 03:44.13 | Tekk_ | I think I may have found the problem |
| 03:44.40 | Tekk_ | the debian-archive-keyring in wheezy contains debian-archive-squeeze-automatic and debian-archive-stable |
| 03:44.47 | Tekk_ | both .gpg, in the trusted keys dir |
| 03:44.50 | Tekk_ | do I need to rename them? |
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| 03:47.20 | craigevil | try reinstalling the keys |
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| 03:48.23 | Tekk_ | craigevil: I ahve |
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| 03:48.25 | Tekk_ | have* |
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| 03:51.33 | Tekk_ | running gpgv itself doesn't have any errors |
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| 03:53.52 | Tekk_ | craigevil: that is, I did an aptitude reinstall |
| 03:54.06 | Tekk_ | of the keyring |
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| 03:56.09 | craigevil | looking at apt-key update I have 4 keyrings listed |
| 03:56.23 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 03:56.33 | Tekk_ | hold on, found some instructions that worked |
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| 03:56.49 | craigevil | http://paste.debian.net/170713/ |
| 03:56.59 | Tekk_ | force a reload of /var/lib/apt/lists worked |
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| 05:05.51 | raptor67782 | nevyn: not so much, I havent scankey installed just scanimage. I would like to use sudo and cat something to ouptut this event (I have no console tty nor x11 on this machine) just ssh and a keyboard |
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| 05:10.36 | nsadmin | I'm trying to figure out what udev is doing with my cdrom drive... the problem is when I use k3b, it starts the burn attempt then says permission denied. Then, when I try to use the configurattoin dialog of k3b which offers to change permissions, it does, as evidenced by checking the dialog again which confirms the permissions are changed. Then, trying the burn again is the same, and the configuration dialog shows the permissions have reverted to t |
| 05:10.36 | nsadmin | heir previous state |
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| 05:12.12 | nsadmin | when I find /etc/udev -type f | xargs grep sr0, there is no output (so, no rule that mentions sr0?) |
| 05:13.52 | nsadmin | additionally, sr0 is in floppy group and so is my user |
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| 05:14.15 | nsadmin | the perms are 660 |
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| 05:24.46 | valdyn | nsadmin: it should be in the cdrom group |
| 05:25.32 | nsadmin | heya valdyn... I was just getting ready to collect all that stuff into a file :) |
| 05:25.55 | nsadmin | what influence would cause it to go into that group? |
| 05:26.25 | nsadmin | oh, and here's something: the perms in ls -l has a + at the end |
| 05:26.48 | valdyn | nsadmin: brw-rw---T+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Mai 22 21:57 /dev/sr0 |
| 05:26.49 | nsadmin | brw-rw----+ 1 root floppy 11, 0 May 22 20:36 /dev/sr0 |
| 05:27.03 | nsadmin | no T |
| 05:28.34 | nsadmin | valdyn, does this output: grep -r sr0 /etc/udev |
| 05:28.52 | valdyn | nsadmin: default config is in /lib/udev/ |
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| 05:29.56 | valdyn | nsadmin: i dont know why theres a T, this is on sid, i cant see on squeeze |
| 05:30.44 | nsadmin | no mention of sr0 in lib either... so, would I make my own rule? |
| 05:30.58 | valdyn | nsadmin: the + should be irrelevant for you |
| 05:31.14 | nsadmin | ok, what's it mean tho? |
| 05:31.16 | valdyn | nsadmin: no you should find out why its floppy not cdrom |
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| 05:31.32 | valdyn | nsadmin: i have to guess that one: udev modifies those permissions on the fly |
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| 05:32.07 | valdyn | nsadmin: the reason for that is that policykit et. al. need to allow things depending on *how* a user is logged in |
| 05:32.16 | valdyn | nsadmin: like "allow burning only to local users" |
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| 05:32.41 | nsadmin | that would be my guess too... and, it could be that sr0 is intermittantly present, perhaps disappearing when the tray is open |
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| 05:33.10 | valdyn | nsadmin: so if I logged out that + should go away, anyway its just indicating the acl entry that allow me specicically to use it, it does not matter to your case |
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| 05:33.45 | nsadmin | oh, there are acls on the filesystem (which should be ext4)? |
| 05:33.50 | nsadmin | checking that |
| 05:33.55 | valdyn | nsadmin: it should be tmpfs |
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| 05:34.32 | nsadmin | oh right |
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| 05:34.55 | nsadmin | actually it's udev not tmpfs |
| 05:35.09 | valdyn | nsadmin: udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=4091796k,nr_inodes=1022949,mode=755) |
| 05:35.57 | nsadmin | yes, that's right |
| 05:36.20 | rryoumaa | i want to make rsync like cp -a except with piped in files. how do i do "find source | rsync --files-from=- ... dest" to achieve that? (i.e. what do i put in the ...) |
| 05:36.22 | nsadmin | it just has the mode= |
| 05:36.36 | valdyn | rryoumaa: you dont do that |
| 05:37.02 | valdyn | rryoumaa: you use fine -exec or xargs |
| 05:37.13 | rryoumaa | no combination of arguments will work? |
| 05:37.34 | valdyn | rryoumaa: piping a file list makes no sense |
| 05:37.52 | rryoumaa | it works perfectly if i have the source dir be / |
| 05:37.57 | rryoumaa | i want it to be rsync so that i can use file lists at will and make it idempotent; using -exec or xargs cannot do that. |
| 05:38.28 | nsadmin | someone running squeeze and having a cdrom device, can you show ls -l /dev/sr0 |
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| 05:38.38 | rryoumaa | it also works perfectly if i want source underneath dest |
| 05:39.05 | rryoumaa | but i want dest to be the same as source, not to be the parent of source |
| 05:39.32 | rryoumaa | so i effectively want to remove the first component of each path in the file list, in rsync |
| 05:39.53 | peterrooney | nsadmin: DVD writer close enough? |
| 05:40.06 | nsadmin | sure :) |
| 05:40.11 | peterrooney | brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 22 00:16 /dev/sr0 |
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| 05:40.26 | nsadmin | almost the same except the group |
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| 05:47.40 | nsadmin | peterrooney, do you have any idea why your device was placed in cdrom group? |
| 05:47.59 | nsadmin | err, less interested in "why", more in "how" |
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| 05:49.06 | nsadmin | peterrooney, could you run... grep -r sr0 /etc/udev /lib/udev |
| 05:49.20 | nsadmin | for me, that's empty |
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| 06:05.59 | valdyn | nsadmin: try "grep -R cdrom /etc/udev /lib/udev instead |
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| 06:07.39 | nsadmin | that produced some results |
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| 06:08.40 | nsadmin | /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules:ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", GROUP="cdrom" |
| 06:08.53 | nsadmin | looks to be the most interesting |
| 06:09.53 | valdyn | nsadmin: you should hotplug it and look at udevmonitor |
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| 06:10.06 | cads | hi all |
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| 06:10.23 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002415/ |
| 06:10.36 | valdyn | nsadmin: or do a udev reload or restart while watching udevmonitor |
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| 06:10.46 | valdyn | nsadmin: or thats udevadm --monitor maybe |
| 06:11.36 | valdyn | mah454: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=200155 |
| 06:11.39 | cads | I have debian squeeze with kernel 2.6.32-5-686, running on a core i3 machine. I'd like to upgrade to 8 gigs of memory, and also to run 64 bit versions of some scientific computing software |
| 06:11.59 | cads | is it very difficult to upgrade my system and its packages to 64 bit versions? |
| 06:12.21 | valdyn | cads: do you really need 64-bit userspace? |
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| 06:12.48 | cads | for some numerics and rendering software |
| 06:12.58 | cads | not necessarily for other things |
| 06:13.11 | cads | oh, also for virtual machines |
| 06:13.16 | valdyn | cads: "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" |
| 06:13.45 | valdyn | cads: 64-bit vms will not be supported then by debian, but maybe youre already using somethign that is not in debian |
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| 06:14.42 | valdyn | cads: if that doesnt suffice you need to reinstall |
| 06:14.46 | mah454 | valdyn, I make new alias and try again ! but message not received ! /var/spool/mail/fax is empty ! |
| 06:15.01 | nsadmin | valdyn, the thing is, it looks like all the rules found by your latest grep shows the purpose of all the rules is to put cdrom devnodes into group cdrom |
| 06:15.29 | nsadmin | valdyn, I'll see what it is... |
| 06:15.30 | cads | valdyn, cool |
| 06:15.32 | valdyn | mah454: theres no delivery error |
| 06:15.40 | cads | I'll find a reinstallation faq just in case |
| 06:15.55 | valdyn | nsadmin: sure, but we searched for the word cdrom and that group |
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| 06:16.09 | nsadmin | valdyn, want me to pastebin the last thing? |
| 06:16.15 | valdyn | nsadmin: we dont know anything about floppy from that |
| 06:16.18 | valdyn | nsadmin: no |
| 06:16.31 | cads | I have quite a few non-standard packages, which I do not wish to remember :D |
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| 06:16.36 | valdyn | nsadmin: you need to monitor this as i said to see which rules are used |
| 06:17.01 | nsadmin | the thing is, I believe that since it got "floppy", none of those rules matched |
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| 06:17.29 | valdyn | nsadmin: or a floppy rule was matched *additionally* |
| 06:17.40 | nsadmin | you mean after the fact |
| 06:17.55 | nsadmin | well let's see... |
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| 06:18.47 | nsadmin | I'll try monitoring and start/stopping udev... can't read the rules quickly |
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| 06:19.31 | nsadmin | valdyn, btw, you (and sid) using insserv? |
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| 06:20.12 | valdyn | nsadmin: im using systemd here |
| 06:20.18 | valdyn | nsadmin: doesnt make a difference |
| 06:20.43 | nsadmin | I have a completely separate issue, I'll get to it after this |
| 06:20.43 | valdyn | nsadmin: sid is still on insserv iirc |
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| 06:21.27 | nsadmin | is systemd an alternative available in sid? |
| 06:21.48 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
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| 06:26.54 | mah454 | valdyn, messages for fax user store in /var/spool/mail/root ! |
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| 06:30.55 | omid8bimo | hi, i need to increase the open file max, so i put "fs.file-max = 100000" in sysctl.conf and after reboot, i see the value by "cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max" but in ulimit -a i still see "open files (-n) 4096" and my application is stuck at 4096 limit. why? |
| 06:30.59 | omid8bimo | and as far as i know, since open file limitation is user based, im sure my app is using root user, but i set the max system wide! |
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| 06:34.24 | valdyn | !limits |
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| 06:37.14 | valdyn | omid8bimo: /etc/securetty/limits* |
| 06:37.38 | valdyn | omid8bimo: ops, thats /etc/security/limits* |
| 06:37.40 | nsadmin | got a whole shitload of stuff when I started udev |
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| 06:38.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps need some help. How do i get an accurate memory usage for a linux system would that be free -m? |
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| 06:39.53 | nsadmin | Eryn_1983_FL, well free will give you a one-time snapshot of the total... |
| 06:39.53 | nsadmin | try it |
| 06:40.09 | nsadmin | oh, -m? dunno what that does |
| 06:40.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | its in MB |
| 06:40.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | so whats the diff between rows? |
| 06:40.41 | nsadmin | brb |
| 06:40.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | the second one seems more correct to what my gui in xmobar says |
| 06:41.01 | truemove | my new desktop with debian/crunchbang/openbox |
| 06:41.02 | truemove | http://f.imgtmp.com/DPWl5.png |
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| 06:41.35 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: start reading man vmstat and be warned, memory management under unix is complex :) |
| 06:41.56 | omid8bimo | valdyn: there is noc onfigure on /etc/security/limits.conf or .d |
| 06:41.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i just want an output so i can use it in nagios |
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| 06:42.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i gont get runn away processes on like xbmc.. |
| 06:42.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | or gnome guh |
| 06:42.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | yucky |
| 06:42.43 | omid8bimo | im kinda confused! which fd limit has priority over others? limits* or sysctl.conf or ulimit -n? |
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| 06:43.40 | jagginess | omid8bimo, everything starts from superuser and kernel settings.. you should test with the superuser account first |
| 06:44.15 | omid8bimo | you mean root? |
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| 06:45.06 | omid8bimo | well i get 300000 from cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max but ulimit -n for root says 1024 |
| 06:45.50 | omid8bimo | and my application is using root user and it stuck at 1024 open file limit. so i dont know why kernel setting of 300000 wont apply to it |
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| 06:47.31 | jagginess | omid8bimo, you should ensure your kernel build options allows you to (to be sure you can start from there, there must be some guide online to verify if one or two variables needed are set to Y for the .config) |
| 06:47.38 | mah454 | mail box for $USER is /var/spool/mail/$USER . but all mail of this user stored in /var/spool/mail/root ! |
| 06:47.44 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
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| 06:48.02 | mah454 | I use postfix |
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| 06:48.34 | jagginess | mah454, you can try to use an alias.. there are alias rules.. you'll have to dig where you can set it |
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| 06:48.43 | superlinux-hp | i want to use imagemaigick's -subimage-search option in the compare command but it has not it. so what do you think i must do? |
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| 06:49.55 | jagginess | mah454, i mean there's an alias rule set for that userto receive root mail..you'll have to edit that rule wherever it is |
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| 06:52.26 | mah454 | jagginess, please view this aliases : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002481/ |
| 06:52.44 | mah454 | jagginess, I need store $USER mail in /var/spool/mail/$USER |
| 06:53.51 | nsadmin | mah454, that could break a buncha stuff... what specifically needs that place |
| 06:54.52 | nsadmin | specifically they changed the policy so mail is dropped in /var/mail/%USER |
| 06:55.05 | Cottus | after i boot, if there was no network, i don't have ip, however shouldn't there be a dhcp client running on the background? |
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| 06:55.39 | nsadmin | Cottus, you would configure it so |
| 06:55.46 | nsadmin | it shouldn't be hard |
| 06:55.52 | nsadmin | this is wired? |
| 06:55.56 | Cottus | yes |
| 06:56.09 | nsadmin | and you don't use wireless? |
| 06:56.42 | Cottus | another pc transmittes internet from my router to my pc |
| 06:56.46 | nsadmin | if so, all your net config should be in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:56.58 | nsadmin | we'll get to that :) |
| 06:56.59 | Cottus | no, they are correct |
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| 06:57.26 | mah454 | fixed ... ! |
| 06:57.34 | nsadmin | yay! |
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| 06:57.54 | Cottus | but if at the time of booting network is down, it doesn't later ( when i open the other pc_) get up |
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| 06:58.23 | Cottus | i did service networking restart |
| 06:58.36 | nsadmin | did that work? |
| 06:58.39 | Cottus | yes |
| 06:58.58 | Cottus | i don't use network manager or wicd |
| 06:59.11 | nsadmin | and also not wireless? |
| 06:59.16 | Cottus | yes |
| 06:59.45 | nsadmin | I better rephrase, since I confused myself |
| 06:59.59 | nsadmin | do you use wireless? :) |
| 07:00.06 | Cottus | lets say no |
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| 07:00.11 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:00.43 | nsadmin | so you must have some dhcp lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:00.52 | nsadmin | or at least one that's uncommented |
| 07:01.07 | Cottus | auto eth0 /n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:01.24 | Cottus | \n |
| 07:01.35 | nsadmin | hmm, the auto eth0 didn't work |
| 07:01.59 | nsadmin | if you do ifconfig eth0 |
| 07:02.18 | nsadmin | does it show you a paragraph and a title "eth0"? |
| 07:02.25 | Cottus | yes |
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| 07:03.27 | nsadmin | ok, say we don't resolve this problem here/now... you already found that restarting networkng works for you |
| 07:04.22 | Cottus | yes , also i found on the wiki/NetworkConfiguration "auto eth0 \n allow-hotplug eth0" :D |
| 07:04.41 | Cottus | i'll try |
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| 07:05.27 | nsadmin | thing is, this seems like a simple case... things it could be: driver loaded late, firmware loaded late, |
| 07:05.55 | nsadmin | Cottus, I was thinking of that |
| 07:06.11 | Cottus | ok, |
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| 07:07.54 | peterrooney | Cottus: interesting that auto lo gets such short shrift on that page |
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| 07:08.23 | Cottus | what's a shrift? |
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| 07:08.44 | nsadmin | kinda like a shlingle |
| 07:08.54 | nsadmin | I dunno :) |
| 07:09.02 | Cottus | :D |
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| 07:10.00 | Cottus | maybe it doesn't get documented enough |
| 07:10.30 | Cottus | yeah,probably that |
| 07:11.16 | r3v0-sick | what is debians default Window manager and desktop ui? |
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| 07:12.02 | Cottus | actually, it doesn't get documented at all |
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| 07:12.30 | Cottus | will reboot now |
| 07:12.49 | jagginess | r3v0-sick, i dont even remember..lol..i'm betting it's GNOME! |
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| 07:13.08 | r3v0-sick | im gonna die if its gnome 3 |
| 07:13.16 | jagginess | r3v0-sick, gdm (login manager i think) |
| 07:14.21 | r3v0-sick | i know there is google but i cbf |
| 07:14.54 | r3v0-sick | and where do i find the testing releases |
| 07:15.20 | jagginess | !testing |
| 07:15.20 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 07:18.34 | r3v0-sick | i know all that its a matter of finding the release lol |
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| 07:19.36 | jagginess | it's always a dynamically change release.. if you can use reportbug that would be awesome.. (i do) |
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| 07:20.16 | r3v0-sick | i can and good at it |
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| 07:32.07 | bricooooooo | long live the terrorist |
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| 07:32.36 | lost1_ | you are |
| 07:32.43 | lost1_ | terrorizing #debian |
| 07:32.51 | lost1_ | please go to #offtopic |
| 07:33.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lost1_ about enter |
| 07:33.45 | lost1_ | toterrorizejelly-homeiwillnowspeaklikeromansBUTACTUALLYISHOULDDOITINALLCAPSLIKETHEYWOULD |
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| 07:44.37 | headyadmin | fifer |
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| 07:46.31 | bricooooooo | the stuff i have to say isn't off topic |
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| 07:46.55 | bricooooooo | that's why i don't go to "offtopic" |
| 07:47.12 | lost1_ | oh ask your question then and we will help you |
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| 07:49.44 | Cottus | actually it didn't work for me |
| 07:51.34 | bricooooooo | why is debian retarded? |
| 07:52.44 | Cottus | exiting |
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| 07:53.59 | nevyn | bricooooooo: seriously? |
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| 07:54.09 | jelly-home | nevyn: do not feed the. |
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| 07:56.48 | amgarching | Hi! Are the Lenny repos gone? Have they been moved somewhere? I get this: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/darcs-monitor/darcs-monitor_0.3.4-2+b1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 07:57.02 | Cottus | i will add 'dhcpcd eth0' somewhere |
| 07:57.17 | nevyn | amgarching: see /topic |
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| 07:57.36 | nevyn | !tell amgarching about lenny->squeeze |
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| 07:58.29 | jelly-home | amgarching: also, /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 08:02.06 | peterrooney | amgarching: lenny has successfully reached end of life. Graveyard is open dawn to dusk. |
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| 08:02.43 | amgarching | Ok, thanks everyone! Found them again. |
| 08:03.16 | nevyn | found what? |
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| 08:03.26 | amgarching | Lenny repos. |
| 08:03.50 | nevyn | yeah... that's not really solving the problem. |
| 08:04.12 | jelly-home | it solves the immediate issue |
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| 08:04.22 | nevyn | kinda. |
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| 08:04.35 | nevyn | except you're still on a deadend with no security updates. |
| 08:05.03 | jelly-home | you don't have to repeat that three times, I'm sure the user has realized that by now |
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| 08:07.35 | bricooooooo | yes, why is debian retarded? |
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| 08:07.40 | jelly-home | !ops bricooooooo |
| 08:07.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: bricooooooo |
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| 08:07.52 | Quibus | hi all |
| 08:08.02 | Quibus | Does someone how to use sensors-applet with GNOME 3? |
| 08:08.12 | tdubellz | bricooooooo: please stop |
| 08:08.19 | gheraint | bricooooooo: do you have nothing better to do? |
| 08:09.20 | bricooooooo | maybe the debian forum is full of haters. and maybe that's why it's retarded. maybe i've solved my own question. maybe i'm sick of people thinking they own, like it matters that they can "kick and ban" people based on a whim |
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| 08:09.48 | jelly-home | thanks |
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| 08:15.52 | sevenfourk | Hello you guys! Is there been 'rm -rf /' execution deprecated somehow recently or I just heard rumors ? |
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| 08:16.10 | sevenfourk | s/Is/Have/ |
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| 08:17.10 | krion | how's that can be deprecated ? |
| 08:17.26 | krion | it can be warned by your shell, but that's it |
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| 08:17.50 | sevenfourk | that's what I'm thinking too.. |
| 08:17.53 | d_arcy | hi |
| 08:18.29 | d_arcy | i have tried to connect my debian (squeeze) laptop to a monitor |
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| 08:18.51 | d_arcy | there is an image, but the colors are all wrongs and it pixellises |
| 08:19.03 | d_arcy | tried that on xfce and gnome |
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| 08:23.51 | sevenfourk | d_arcy: that definitely doesn't depend on DE/WM you're using.. |
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| 08:27.22 | jelly-home | sevenfourk: GNU rm has code to stop you from doing that, now |
| 08:27.42 | jelly-home | rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' |
| 08:27.53 | sevenfourk | krion: that's what I was trying ho here ^ |
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| 08:28.05 | sevenfourk | so that's not rumor, great |
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| 08:28.25 | jelly-home | sevenfourk: and it tells you how to override it in the next line, that I did not paste |
| 08:28.30 | sevenfourk | jelly-home: recent coreutils? |
| 08:28.38 | jelly-home | 1-2 years now |
| 08:28.43 | sevenfourk | Oo |
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| 08:29.14 | cedr | You can always add a * to / :) |
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| 08:31.26 | d_arcy | sevenfourk: i can see that. It works on windows though |
| 08:31.42 | d_arcy | what can i do to make it work ? :( |
| 08:32.23 | sevenfourk | you haven't specified any info, how anyone can help you? |
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| 08:33.38 | d_arcy | because i do not what information to give |
| 08:33.45 | d_arcy | i don't know= |
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| 08:34.49 | fasta | d_arcy: does the image resemble what you expect to see? |
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| 08:36.06 | d_arcy | i can see the window for the terminal and brower for example |
| 08:36.38 | d_arcy | but colors are all wrong and the font is pixellised (is that a verb ?) |
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| 08:37.41 | d_arcy | the output is recognised by xrandr as VGA-0 so i did : xrandr --output VGA-0 |
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| 08:39.33 | sevenfourk1 | see, and you're saying you don't know what info to give, we all lie a bit, everytime |
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| 08:41.14 | d_arcy | i did not want to barge in and write 10 lines for my issue :) |
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| 08:44.58 | Leave_This_Place | how do I request a backport from dpkg? |
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| 08:55.46 | badee | fuuuuuuck |
| 08:57.22 | nevyn | !backports |
| 08:57.23 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 08:58.05 | roundyz | Hello |
| 08:58.40 | d_arcy | another question then : does xrandr has a log somewhere ? |
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| 08:59.47 | roundyz | I have come here to ask for some advise. We are overhauling our systems and are looking at ways to centrally authenticate users across delopement, staging and production servers. Does any one have any advise or software recommendations? |
| 08:59.57 | pjc_ | d_arcy: did you check the Xorg log? |
| 09:00.42 | d_arcy | nope, going to test that, thanks |
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| 09:04.43 | nevyn | roundyz: a directory? |
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| 09:10.16 | d_arcy | pjc_: (WW) RADEON(0): Color tiling is not yet supported on R600/R700 |
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| 09:10.27 | d_arcy | (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled |
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| 09:11.10 | dizzylizzy | i freaking love debian |
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| 09:11.45 | pjc_ | hmmm |
| 09:11.47 | huwenfeng | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.22 | pjc_ | time "command | grep whatever" |
| 09:13.00 | nevyn | huwenfeng: so you don't want to time the whole pipeline just the first element? |
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| 09:14.09 | pjc_ | huwenfeng: that works without the quotes |
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| 09:16.14 | d_arcy | pjc_: if i install the proprietary drivers, will it work then ? |
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| 09:18.45 | pjc_ | d_arcy: Yes, I am using fglrx with my Radeon |
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| 09:19.27 | d_arcy | so, apt-get install fglrx ? |
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| 09:20.22 | d_arcy | just saw the debian wiki about that :p |
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| 09:22.34 | badee | as |
| 09:22.39 | badee | fukkkkkk |
| 09:22.41 | badee | akjaanaa |
| 09:22.42 | badee | malaka |
| 09:22.48 | badee | aasaaMaAamalAama.Amsms |
| 09:22.52 | badee | sssksaanans s s |
| 09:22.53 | badee | smss |
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| 09:23.31 | pjc_ | d_arcy: should do, have a look into aticonfig also |
| 09:23.49 | pjc_ | this will help reconfigure your xorg.conf etc |
| 09:24.03 | badee | shiiiiiiiiiiiiit |
| 09:24.06 | pjc_ | normally something like aticonfig --initial |
| 09:24.10 | nevyn | !ops badee |
| 09:24.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nevyn complains about: badee |
| 09:24.14 | badee | hi |
| 09:24.41 | badee | M |
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| 09:24.45 | badee | l? |
| 09:24.47 | badee | l |
| 09:24.48 | badee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.49 | badee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.50 | badee | m |
| 09:24.53 | badee | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.59 | CrypticSquared | sush you |
| 09:25.01 | pjc_ | someone kick this fool |
| 09:25.15 | jelly | CrypticSquared: what kind of shell is sush |
| 09:25.23 | jelly | a seashell? |
| 09:25.27 | badee | sorry sorry |
| 09:25.33 | badee | virus |
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| 09:26.12 | badee | bloke |
| 09:26.20 | nsadmin | badee, virus? no... and, welcome to debian support... got a question? :) |
| 09:26.28 | niko | badee: please do not use enter as punctuation |
| 09:27.01 | badee | yes |
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| 09:27.39 | badee | how do i enter starbound channel from irc chat app |
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| 09:28.06 | themill | badee: /join #starbound |
| 09:28.10 | nsadmin | you would /join (that channel) |
| 09:28.46 | badee | /join #starbound |
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| 09:29.00 | badee | where do i type it |
| 09:29.12 | nsadmin | right where you did... |
| 09:29.19 | nsadmin | just like that too |
| 09:29.33 | nsadmin | what irc client you running? |
| 09:29.48 | nevyn | nsadmin: / /join #starbound would give the result above. |
| 09:29.51 | badee | irc chat on my ipad |
| 09:30.29 | badee | where do i type that |
| 09:31.07 | fasta | Is the number of VTs bounded? If so, by which number? |
| 09:31.13 | nsadmin | I'm actually not familiar with that client; does it have a popup menu? also, how did you get here? |
| 09:31.20 | DustyDingo | hm, i am running squeez on an arm platform with an usb hdd (sata) connected |
| 09:31.48 | badee | its kinda a long story |
| 09:31.56 | DustyDingo | i can list the device in lsusb and also the according scsi device is there |
| 09:32.10 | DustyDingo | usb_masstorage is loaded etc. |
| 09:32.27 | DustyDingo | but i don't have an /dev/sd* block device |
| 09:32.37 | badee | ok.......wat do ido? |
| 09:32.39 | DustyDingo | tho i had this one before |
| 09:32.53 | badee | hm? |
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| 09:32.59 | rizlah | Testing or unstable? |
| 09:33.25 | nsadmin | Beaches or forests? |
| 09:33.33 | badee | im gonna have to leave right ?? |
| 09:33.56 | rizlah | From what I see, if testing breaks it takes longer to fix than unstable. |
| 09:34.14 | badee | .... |
| 09:34.23 | badee | arwe |
| 09:34.27 | nsadmin | rizlah, could you ask your question in a complete sentence? |
| 09:34.38 | badee | yes |
| 09:35.15 | RichiH | looks at badee |
| 09:35.25 | RichiH | nevyn: thanks, looking |
| 09:35.37 | rizlah | Which version of the distribution should I install, assuming I do not want stable due to the ridiculously old packages it contains? Testing seems to take a long time to fix if it breaks, and the debian FAQ says the order of preferance should be stable -> unstable -> testing |
| 09:36.05 | nsadmin | rizlah, my question, is why debian at all? |
| 09:36.31 | nevyn | RichiH: where does the debian FAQ say that? |
| 09:36.31 | D-Boy | How to install the same packages from the old server to my new one ? |
| 09:36.34 | nsadmin | you don't seem to want the very thing it's famous for: stability |
| 09:36.43 | badee | i want to join a chat in a website called playstarbound.com they have an irc channel called #starbound on freenode server |
| 09:36.48 | nevyn | D-Boy: dpkg --get-selections should help with that. |
| 09:36.49 | D-Boy | (both are squeeze) |
| 09:36.54 | rizlah | Because I want something that I don't have to tinker with too much unless I want to, and debian seems like the overall best candidate. |
| 09:37.11 | D-Boy | nevyn : ok thx for the hint |
| 09:37.19 | nevyn | !get-selections |
| 09:37.31 | badee | can anybody HELP |
| 09:37.39 | nsadmin | badee, confirmed... the channel is here |
| 09:37.55 | badee | how do i get there |
| 09:38.02 | badee | ?? |
| 09:38.15 | nsadmin | badee, all we know to say, is /join #starbound |
| 09:38.44 | nsadmin | that's the underlying command that should be understood by all irc clients |
| 09:38.59 | badee | where do i type it im kinda confused |
| 09:39.12 | badee | this is my first time |
| 09:39.12 | nsadmin | right where you talk |
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| 09:39.33 | badee | u mean in here |
| 09:39.44 | tdammers | rizlah: I'd go with stable with backports |
| 09:39.50 | nsadmin | badee, exactly |
| 09:39.59 | badee | there is a channels tab |
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| 09:40.01 | tdammers | best of both worlds |
| 09:40.14 | rizlah | Alright |
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| 09:40.31 | tdammers | testing has newer packages, but sometimes it does break in uncomfortable ways |
| 09:40.37 | badee | /join #starbound |
| 09:40.38 | nsadmin | badee, look at that :) (sheesh, I dunno...) |
| 09:40.40 | tdammers | which means, more fiddling |
| 09:41.10 | badee | ok.....nothing happened |
| 09:41.27 | nsadmin | so I see |
| 09:41.33 | nsadmin | what about the channels tab? |
| 09:41.44 | RichiH | nevyn: say what? |
| 09:42.01 | badee | wait i ll check |
| 09:42.27 | tdammers | speaking of which, some TTF fonts stopped working in wheezy, most notably webdings and a few musical symbol fonts (MusicalSymbols, Toccata, Fughetta) - anyone know anything about that? |
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| 09:43.00 | tdammers | any program I throw at them just renders placeholders, while 'normal' fonts all render correctly |
| 09:43.25 | badee | nothing |
| 09:43.28 | nsadmin | badee, note that I got curious and joined that channel... there is not much going on at this moment |
| 09:43.31 | nevyn | RichiH: http://paste.debian.net/170740/ |
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| 09:44.12 | nevyn | RichiH: seems to have improved tho. |
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| 09:44.29 | badee | yeah... well.. |
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| 09:46.17 | badee | nsadmin , thanks for all help and sorry if made any trouble :) |
| 09:46.20 | d_arcy | pjc_: it works for root only |
| 09:46.22 | nsadmin | I stand corrected, there is someone there :) |
| 09:46.49 | badee | farewell |
| 09:47.00 | pjc_ | d_arcy: wat? root only? |
| 09:47.14 | d_arcy | pjc_: with another user, i got a black screen and while switching back to console, a loop with "no protocol specified" |
| 09:47.39 | nsadmin | badee try tomorrow |
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| 09:47.57 | d_arcy | and i followed exactly the wiki |
| 09:48.01 | nsadmin | like in about 8 hours or so |
| 09:48.34 | pjc_ | d_arcy: and what is in the xorg log this time? |
| 09:48.57 | badee | one more thing in that channel there are devs who are working on a game called starbound check it out on their website its super cool!! |
| 09:49.06 | D-Boy | nevyn : so i did dpkg --get-selections >packages on the old one, and dpkg --set-selections <pakages on the new one, and now what ? aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade would install those packages ? |
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| 09:49.34 | badee | if u have the time that is |
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| 09:49.47 | nevyn | D-Boy: aptitude install should do it |
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| 09:50.21 | badee | مع السلامة |
| 09:50.39 | badee | that was arabic |
| 09:51.37 | nsadmin | badee, they say they noticed someone trying to connect from an ipad client awhile ago |
| 09:52.43 | badee | noo WAY rEally? |
| 09:53.14 | badee | how? |
| 09:53.31 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 09:53.54 | nsadmin | did you try to connect earlier? |
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| 09:55.28 | d_arcy | pjc_: it is the same log for the normal user than the root :/ |
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| 09:56.12 | badee | kind |
| 09:56.18 | badee | kinda |
| 09:56.18 | D-Boy | nevyn : it does ^^, thx |
| 09:56.54 | d_arcy | i start xfce with /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
| 09:57.57 | pjc_ | d_arcy: and you ran an aticonfig --initial to generate a new xorg.conf? |
| 09:58.04 | d_arcy | yes |
| 09:58.10 | pjc_ | before rebooting of course |
| 09:58.15 | pjc_ | hmm |
| 09:58.17 | d_arcy | i think it is an issue with starting xfce |
| 09:58.41 | pjc_ | ok I happen to run xfce also |
| 09:58.59 | d_arcy | the permissions on .xinitrc are OK |
| 09:59.09 | d_arcy | i even removed .xinitr :( |
| 09:59.46 | pjc_ | d_arcy: in ~/.xinitrc all you really need is something like exec startxfce4 |
| 09:59.59 | d_arcy | yeah |
| 10:00.20 | d_arcy | i installed gnome for testing this morning and uninstall it |
| 10:00.31 | d_arcy | maybe it screwed up something |
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| 10:02.21 | nsadmin | badee, so got some addtional info on this thing... the game is not ready yet, but they say they're getting kinda close |
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| 10:03.20 | d_arcy | how can i kill the x server after switching back to the console ? |
| 10:03.24 | badee | yeah i already know a lot about that but thanks for tellin me really |
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| 10:03.50 | babilen | pjc_: It is typically neither recommended nor necessary to generate a complete xorg.conf with nvidia-config or aticonfig. Which driver do you use and how did you install it? (See also "/msg dpkg radeon" and "/msg dpkg fglrx") I typically recommend to use the free radeon driver if fglrx is not absolutely required. |
| 10:04.16 | badee | are u interested in the subject ,nsadmin ? |
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| 10:05.01 | nsadmin | at present, only a little. I have other things I need to do |
| 10:05.35 | badee | yeah thought so |
| 10:05.38 | Quibus | Trying again: does someone how to use sensors-applet with GNOME 3? |
| 10:07.50 | badee | ok i seriously have to leave know we shall meet again someday bye and thanks for the help. BTW im arabian so excuse my vocabulary ;) |
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| 10:08.41 | rizlah | Why does Debian have the kFreeBSD version? |
| 10:08.51 | nsadmin | badee, so you know I could understand you well |
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| 10:09.19 | d_arcy | pjc_: i reinstalled xfce4 and it works now :p |
| 10:09.33 | pjc_ | d_arcy: excellent |
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| 10:10.07 | pjc_ | babilen: I don't have the xorg issue |
| 10:10.24 | babilen | pjc_: Uh, sorry. ENICK :-/ |
| 10:10.36 | pjc_ | :) |
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| 10:11.15 | babilen | d_arcy: It is typically neither recommended nor necessary to generate a complete xorg.conf with nvidia-config or aticonfig. Which driver do you use and how did you install it? (See also "/msg dpkg radeon" and "/msg dpkg fglrx") I typically recommend to use the free radeon driver if fglrx is not absolutely required. |
| 10:11.20 | babilen | :) |
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| 10:13.49 | willbradley | hey i can't install php5-cli for some reason, though i'm used to ubuntu so i might be doing it wrong. this is debian lenny (5.0.7) |
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| 10:13.52 | willbradley | http://pastebin.com/ViuLK8p5 |
| 10:14.10 | willbradley | specifically, Err http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main php5-cli 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 10:14.23 | willbradley | any ideas? |
| 10:14.47 | oliva | anybody is experiencing problem with skype lately? It gets aborted after few minutes |
| 10:15.01 | michiwend | hi there, i upgraded my vserver from lenny to squeeze and now dovecot doesen´t accept any connection via imap http://pastebin.com/TJGAz4Nm |
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| 10:15.20 | michiwend | any idea why? |
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| 10:15.52 | babilen | willbradley: lenny has been EOLed and you have to upgrade to squeeze *now* -- lenny is no longer on the mirrors (it has been moved to the archive) and hasn't received security support for a couple of months already. See "/msg dpkg release notes" for a detailed discussion of the upgrade process. |
| 10:16.17 | rizlah | Why does the debian installer not allow XTS mode for encryption? |
| 10:16.33 | babilen | wishes that people stop using pastebin.com and refuses to look at pastes there. (Use http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com or ...) |
| 10:16.58 | fasta | babilen: why refheap.com? |
| 10:17.05 | fasta | babilen: are you affiliated to that? |
| 10:17.12 | pjc_ | babilen: pastebin is referenced in the topic! |
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| 10:18.12 | babilen | fasta: No, not really. It is a common pastebin in the clojure community though and I like its simplicity. I should probably only endorse http://paste.debian.net in here though. |
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| 10:19.14 | d_arcy | pjc_: arg, i was root, so it still does not work |
| 10:19.23 | babilen | pjc_: No it is not. You are referring to "/msg dpkg pastebin" which sends a private message to our bot (dpkg) and causes it to tell the sender: "Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or …" |
| 10:19.37 | willbradley | babilen: thanks; i hunted around and discovered that it's been moved to archive. i can't move *now* but will move soon. |
| 10:19.47 | babilen | !tell willbradley -about lenny sources.list |
| 10:19.51 | d_arcy | pjc_: i was root, so it still does not work :// |
| 10:20.13 | willbradley | babilen: i'll use gist.github.com just for you <3 |
| 10:20.23 | d_arcy | babilen: i now use fglrx in order to use a VGA projector |
| 10:20.34 | babilen | willbradley: But *please* upgrade ASAP -- You have more than a year for this upgrade and it is overdue. You are running a vulnerable system with no security support whatsoever right now. |
| 10:20.47 | babilen | !tell d_arcy about fglrx dkms |
| 10:21.20 | fasta | willbradley: I think what babilen is saying that you could be hacked within the hour. |
| 10:21.31 | willbradley | indeed. are there LTS versions of debian like ubuntu? |
| 10:21.34 | babilen | d_arcy: You typically only need a short snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to configure the X server to use fglrx. Refer to the factoid (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms) out bot just told you about. |
| 10:22.19 | d_arcy | babilen: thanks, will try that |
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| 10:22.39 | fasta | willbradley: do you want a maintainance free server? |
| 10:23.15 | babilen | willbradley: No - There are no LTS releases. But Debian's release schedule is much slower than Ubuntu's in the first place. There were some discussions about longer security support but providing that is AFAIUI currently impossible due to a number of factors. (lack of manpower being the most important) |
| 10:23.20 | fasta | maintenance* |
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| 10:24.12 | tdammers | the transition from oldstable to stable tends to be very reliable with debian, much more so than a ubuntu dist-upgrade |
| 10:24.22 | willbradley | fasta: no, it's just that this server was installed a few months ago, angry that they used lenny |
| 10:24.44 | fasta | willbradley: find another vendor. |
| 10:25.08 | nsadmin | fasta, a maintainance free server == a server that has a really smart admin tending it |
| 10:25.42 | fasta | nsadmin: it's mostly a tools thing. |
| 10:25.49 | willbradley | fasta: i like how you assume this is some kind of enterprise system, it's cute :) |
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| 10:26.01 | fasta | nsadmin: I wouldn't know how to do it on Debian for example. |
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| 10:26.47 | fasta | nsadmin: some people fake it with Puppet. |
| 10:26.59 | d_arcy | babilen: i removed the old xorg.conf, but same result : "no protocol specified" |
| 10:27.16 | nsadmin | uses seriously different stuff than most |
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| 10:27.26 | fasta | nsadmin: what do you use? |
| 10:27.45 | nsadmin | aolserver, tcl, postgres, openacs |
| 10:28.08 | fasta | nsadmin: aolserver? |
| 10:28.16 | fasta | nsadmin: tcl isn't that just a programming language. |
| 10:28.18 | d_arcy | babilen: be back after lunch, can you pm me if you have some ideas ? thanks |
| 10:28.23 | fasta | !openacs |
| 10:28.37 | nsadmin | true. tcl is a language |
| 10:28.41 | babilen | d_arcy: What gives you that error message? Please note that I have (as of now) no idea what you have done so far, what your problem is and what you are trying to achieve. I merely wanted to point out that a complete xorg.conf is typically neither wanted nor needed nowadays. (cf. "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf") |
| 10:28.53 | nsadmin | fasta, openacs.org |
| 10:28.56 | nsadmin | also... |
| 10:29.01 | nsadmin | , info openacs |
| 10:29.02 | judd | Package openacs (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: toolkit for building community-oriented web applications. Version: 5.5.1+dfsg-2; Size: 9828.2k; Installed: 53276k; Homepage: http://www.openacs.org/ |
| 10:29.18 | babilen | d_arcy: Sure -- Just let me know what the problem is and I can try to help you later. I'll forage for lunch soon as well though ;) |
| 10:30.42 | nsadmin | fasta, people who come from apache type stuff would face a fairly steep learning curve |
| 10:31.26 | fasta | nsadmin: what is it? I momentarily don't have a web browser. |
| 10:31.45 | nsadmin | it's a web applicaton server |
| 10:31.48 | fasta | nsadmin: In which language is it written. |
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| 10:32.01 | nsadmin | tcl and plpgsql |
| 10:32.19 | nsadmin | even the web server config file is a tcl script |
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| 10:32.25 | fasta | and... WHY? |
| 10:32.45 | nsadmin | I like the api, the object system and the templating system |
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| 10:33.43 | huwenfeng | pjc_: but I got redirects too |
| 10:34.05 | huwenfeng | pjc_: that won't work with time, because i want to redirect the output of time, not the command |
| 10:34.15 | huwenfeng | nevyn: yes, |
| 10:34.46 | fasta | nsadmin: how many pages can it serve per second? |
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| 10:35.53 | nsadmin | depending on how the pages are coded, I'm guessing 1 - 5 or so on a fairly ad hoc throw-together system... and, aolserver is massively scalable |
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| 10:36.27 | Azrael | hi folks. i'd like to make use of http://packages.debian.org/testing/main/exabgp on debian squeeze. i set an apt preferences file to allow for that package from testing, but upon apt-get i get "exabgp : Depends: python (>= 2.6.6-7~) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze7 is to be installed"... i dont think there's a problem with exabgp using python 2.6.6-3 instead of 2.6.6-7. do you have any tips/suggestions to how i can work around this dependency? |
| 10:36.38 | nsadmin | which basically means if you throw lots of money at it, you can get a very fast, highly available system |
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| 10:38.47 | fasta | nsadmin: 1-5? Ok, you do know that you can also get between 2,000 and 40,000 on a not so state of the art server, right? |
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| 10:39.57 | babilen | judd: checkbackport exabgp |
| 10:39.58 | judd | Backporting package exabgp in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
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| 10:40.43 | Azrael | whats that mean |
| 10:41.08 | Azrael | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 10:41.15 | Azrael | i have that in sources.list |
| 10:41.29 | ksk | !tell Azrael about backports |
| 10:41.35 | nsadmin | fasta, that also depends on what each page load does (or does it? say each page load does 20 db hits, then what?) |
| 10:41.47 | babilen | Azrael: It is typically a very bad idea to mix stable with anything but backports. You can, however, backport exabgp quite easily yourself. See "/msg dpkg bdo" and http://static.debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html#idp12866472 for a description of backports and "/msg dpkg ssb" for a recipe to create your own backport. |
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| 10:42.02 | Azrael | babilen: right |
| 10:42.14 | Azrael | babilen: the exabgp package actually comes with debian build files, and i was able to build it like so |
| 10:42.22 | babilen | !ssb |
| 10:42.22 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 10:42.25 | Azrael | babilen: i'd just prefer to make use of the package maintained elsewhere |
| 10:42.53 | nsadmin | fasta, I've never needed to scale up |
| 10:43.00 | D-Boy | after moving files lastnight to a server its harddisk was full, after that i kept receiving cron messages on the root mail instead of /var/syslog |
| 10:43.04 | babilen | Azrael: That is, unfortunately, not possible. I strongly recommend to *not* mix stable with testing as this will most likely break your system beyond all recognition. |
| 10:43.05 | D-Boy | how to undo that ? |
| 10:43.23 | Azrael | ok |
| 10:43.38 | Azrael | babilen: so it sounds like y'all were saying exabgp exists in debian squeeze backports |
| 10:43.43 | Azrael | babilen: but i don't see it |
| 10:43.50 | Azrael | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install exabgp |
| 10:43.53 | Azrael | E: Unable to locate package exabgp |
| 10:44.15 | babilen | Azrael: I never said that and it does, in fact, not exist in backports. You can, however, backport it yourself from sid by following the recipe in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 10:44.31 | Azrael | ok thanks babilen |
| 10:45.24 | babilen | Azrael: That means that *you* have to repeat that procedure every time a new version is uploaded to sid though and that you will not receive updates automagically. |
| 10:46.04 | Azrael | babilen: roger. i understand. |
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| 10:46.34 | fasta | nsadmin: then it should still be possible to get several 1000. |
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| 10:48.27 | nsadmin | fasta, absolutely, especially on today's hw |
| 10:48.32 | fasta | Which package in unstable contains crti.o? |
| 10:49.02 | nsadmin | isn't that the c startup? |
| 10:49.09 | fasta | apt-file search returns libc6-dev. |
| 10:49.17 | nsadmin | that might be libc6-dev |
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| 10:49.32 | fasta | nsadmin: yes, but it's not actually there when I install it. |
| 10:49.53 | nsadmin | that's weird |
| 10:50.05 | babilen | ,file crti.o |
| 10:50.12 | judd | Search for crti.o in squeeze/i386: libc6-dev: usr/lib/crti.o; libc6-dev-amd64: usr/lib64/crti.o; libc6-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/crti.o, usr/lib/debug/usr/lib64/crti.o |
| 10:50.19 | Alam_Squeeze | pkg -L libc6-dev | grep crti.o |
| 10:50.23 | Alam_Squeeze | *dpkg |
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| 10:50.36 | superdmp | I have a filesystem on my machine: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 253, 25 May 23 02:00 /dev/dm-25 |
| 10:50.36 | superdmp | I can see various bits of information about it with dumpe2fs, though I don't know what it all means |
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| 10:51.12 | superdmp | how do I reset the filesystem? as in, make it the equivalent of a blank disk, so that I can use debootstrap to reinstall a virtual machine's OS on it? |
| 10:51.54 | Alam_Squeeze | superdmp: mkfs? |
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| 10:52.42 | superdmp | Alam_Squeeze: well, I thought it might involve mkfs, but I am not sure how to use it for this purpose |
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| 10:53.03 | superdmp | I don't wnat to create a filesystem but reset it |
| 10:53.39 | Alam_Squeeze | reset it all to 0x00? |
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| 10:54.07 | Alam_Squeeze | 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/dm-25'? |
| 10:55.23 | superdmp | Alam_Squeeze: so that will leave it as whatever kind of filesystem it was, but wipe it clean - thanks! |
| 10:55.30 | Alam_Squeeze | no |
| 10:55.46 | superdmp | oh |
| 10:56.20 | Alam_Squeeze | it wipes the block clean, filled with zero |
| 10:57.03 | superdmp | but it will remain ext3 or whatever it was, the same size, and so on |
| 10:57.52 | Alam_Squeeze | if you want to wipe a filesystem clean of files and xattrs (if any), the mkfs.ext3 is the only way to go |
| 10:58.01 | fasta | superdmp: creating a new fs is going to be faster than deleting all the files one by one. |
| 10:58.17 | Alam_Squeeze | you can pass mkfs.ext3 to have the same options and UUID as the old filesystem |
| 10:58.18 | fasta | superdmp: rm -rf /mountpoint is the alternatve |
| 10:59.24 | superdmp | fasta: that would be enough? no traces would be left? |
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| 10:59.35 | fasta | superdmp: define traces. |
| 10:59.44 | fasta | superdmp: forensic traces? |
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| 11:00.04 | fasta | superdmp: according to some physical theories, deletion is even impossible. |
| 11:00.16 | superdmp | fasta: no, just *stuff* - hidden files, perhaps, or something else I don't know about, that would muck up the new installation |
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| 11:00.36 | Alam_Squeeze | hmm, wipe2fs package? |
| 11:00.37 | fasta | superdmp: sure, that would work; but it would be a bad idea if there are a lot of files. |
| 11:00.56 | superdmp | I have nothing to hide except my incompetence, and that's not exactly a secret |
| 11:01.24 | fasta | superdmp: the command 'rm' deletes something from the file system. |
| 11:01.44 | fasta | superdmp: but it needs about 2ms on average or so to delete one file. |
| 11:02.00 | fasta | superdmp: now, if you have 1000000 files, that could take a file. |
| 11:02.03 | superdmp | fasta: there shouldn't be too many files |
| 11:02.04 | fasta | superdmp: a while |
| 11:02.15 | superdmp | it's a half-completed new installation that I want to get rid of |
| 11:03.30 | fasta | superdmp: just do rm -rf <wherever you mounted it> |
| 11:03.37 | fasta | superdmp: (as root) |
| 11:03.43 | superdmp | <fear> |
| 11:03.56 | superdmp | ok, many thanks for all the tips |
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| 11:04.46 | fasta | It would be nice if there was a command to 'reset' a file system. |
| 11:05.03 | fasta | Then you wouldn't have to think about which method to use. |
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| 11:05.18 | vlt | fasta: It’s called mkfs ;-) |
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| 11:05.41 | fasta | vlt: are you saying that mkfs under the hood can consider to just do rm on the files? |
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| 11:06.00 | fasta | vlt: or is mkfs faster in every case? |
| 11:06.05 | tdammers | fasta: mkfs creates a new file system |
| 11:06.12 | fasta | tdammers: yes, I know that. |
| 11:06.26 | tdammers | the files are still there, physically speaking, but there is a fresh filesystem, so nothing points to the old files anymore |
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| 11:06.49 | fasta | Ok, the question is: does mkfs take less than 10 milliseconds? |
| 11:06.50 | tdammers | the space they used to occupy still holds the data, but the new filesystem considers it unused and will overwrite it when it needs the space |
| 11:06.59 | cardamon | fasta: tdammers is correct |
| 11:07.13 | fasta | cardamon: I am also correct. |
| 11:07.16 | fasta | cardamon: your point? |
| 11:07.43 | cardamon | fasta: And now I have suddenly lost interest. Funny how that works. |
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| 11:07.56 | fasta | cardamon: I don't think you ever had interest. |
| 11:08.02 | ptrkmj | is there a command to check if a given package is marked as "automatically installed"? |
| 11:08.04 | fasta | cardamon: nor that you contributed anything. |
| 11:08.13 | fasta | tdammers: yes? |
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| 11:09.42 | fasta | In fact, I would argue that I am right, because I could write a file system where mkfs is really slow. |
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| 11:10.25 | fasta | Where is everyone to lecture me now? |
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| 11:13.28 | nkuttler | ptrkmj: iirc aptitude keeps track of that |
| 11:13.53 | nkuttler | ptrkmj: see also deborphan |
| 11:14.08 | ptrkmj | nkuttler: isn't that possible without aptitude? |
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| 11:14.45 | nkuttler | ptrkmj: i don't think so |
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| 11:15.20 | ptrkmj | doesn't dpkg know something about it? |
| 11:15.28 | cardamon | ptrkmj: aptitude will show an A next to the package listing if it's automatically installed. |
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| 11:16.18 | themill | ptrkmj: apt-mark showauto |
| 11:16.19 | cardamon | You can check a package individually with aptitude search <package> |
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| 11:19.57 | ptrkmj | themill: that's exactly what i was looking for |
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| 11:24.22 | DiamondSword | waves to channel log. |
| 11:24.35 | DiamondSword | good day! |
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| 11:32.11 | d_arcy | babilen: thanks :) I want to use a projector with my debian laptop and the open source radeon driver does not work with it |
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| 11:33.16 | d_arcy | babilen: i installed fglrx and the desktop only works for root. As a normal user, I have a black screen and in the console a loop with "no protocol specified" |
| 11:33.25 | d_arcy | if you have any idea, you are welcome |
| 11:33.54 | woshty | i am using bpo on my testing box and am trying to upgrade iceweasel from bpo. there is a libhunspell-1.2-0 that bpo iceweasel wants but only a 1.3-0 that is in testing. aptitude lists a 1.2.14-4 with status c. what does that mean? |
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| 11:36.50 | Flynsarmy | i've done an apt-get remove apache2 but the service is still there...why? |
| 11:36.55 | Flynsarmy | debian squeeze |
| 11:37.38 | krion | Flynsarmy: dpkg l|grep -i apache |
| 11:37.50 | krion | dpkg -l|grep -i apache sorry |
| 11:37.56 | dpkg | krion: are you using Windows? |
| 11:37.59 | krion | dpkg: are you a bot ? |
| 11:37.59 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 11:39.11 | Flynsarmy | krion: aha, awesome. thanks |
| 11:39.14 | tdammers | fasta: at lunch. and not intending to lecture anyone. |
| 11:39.43 | d_arcy | babilen: removing the .Xauthority did the trick :) |
| 11:39.49 | d_arcy | pjc_: thanks |
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| 11:42.01 | woshty | nvm, switched to experimental |
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| 11:45.41 | andiolsi | hi, im hot-adding 1gB of memory to my debian (6.0.5, shipped kernel) virtualized server (it has 1gB before adding 1 more). i get an acpi error (driver data not found) http://pastebin.com/3MxrTwz6 if i manually "online" the memory slots, 7 out of the 8 additional memory become available totaling 1940580 kB of ram. after a reboot the total amount available is 2057312 kB |
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| 11:46.55 | andiolsi | is this likely to be a "client sided" problem or in the method that vmware host adds the memory? |
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| 11:47.42 | nander1 | I'm doing a fresh reinstall (I failed bigtime), but with both my tried disks my screen stays black |
| 11:47.55 | nander1 | It first asks for my hard disk password and then it doesn't boot from CD |
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| 11:48.46 | nander1 | When no disk is entered it starts up |
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| 11:51.27 | superdmp | not sure if this is a debian or a xen issue, but this is what I've done: |
| 11:51.37 | superdmp | sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/rootvg/besselrootlv /mnt/bessel # mounted my filesystem |
| 11:51.52 | superdmp | sudo debootstrap squeeze /mnt/bessel # installed squeeze |
| 11:52.05 | superdmp | sudo umount /dev/rootvg/besselrootlv # unmounted the filesystem |
| 11:52.16 | superdmp | sudo xm create /etc/xen/domains/bessel # started the xen machine |
| 11:52.29 | superdmp | sudo xm console bessel # fired up the console |
| 11:52.45 | superdmp | but now, it appears to be stuck at: Starting periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 11:52.55 | superdmp | http://dpaste.com/751456/ |
| 11:52.58 | superdmp | any suggestions? |
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| 11:53.47 | gisli | anyone here familiar with C* (cmus) |
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| 11:55.01 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. My mouse pointer jumps from time to time... especially when I play xonotic :) ... Is there any hint/help? Or it is just bad mouse/mousepad? |
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| 11:57.58 | berzerka | hi guys. i am on testing and today, when doing update && dist-upgrade, two packages (namely gnuplot-nox and gnuplot-x11) are kept back. where can i find out why this is the case or read about this behavior in general? |
| 11:58.22 | Woet | berzerka: wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 11:58.43 | berzerka | Woet: thanks |
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| 11:59.39 | berzerka | Woet: does your answer imply that apt only holds back packages if using something different from stable? |
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| 12:00.03 | Woet | berzerka: no, my answer is just a copy/paste from the channel topic |
| 12:00.19 | Woet | but that channel has more people who know about sid/wheezy |
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| 12:00.53 | berzerka | Woet: ok get it. |
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| 12:01.13 | abrotman | berzerka: did you do a full-upgrade or safe-upgrade ? |
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| 12:01.41 | berzerka | abrotman: i am using apt-get and did a dist-upgrade |
| 12:01.54 | abrotman | berzerka: and if you *install* those packages, what does it say? |
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| 12:02.37 | berzerka | abrotman: well actually they are installed already, i think the upgrade is just delayed/kept back, for a reason i want to understand. |
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| 12:03.04 | abrotman | and if you *install* them ? |
| 12:03.22 | berzerka | abrotman: ah i see, apt-get install both gives me the answer. they are conflicting and i have to choose either one. thanks for the tip! |
| 12:03.56 | codertux | Hi, I have a debian 6.0.5 server and I need to update one package to a newer version (I need a feature in libvirtd that has been added in 0.9.11 - which is not available in backports, but is available in wheezy). being a production system, I don't really want to update to wheezy. is there another way of getting that package without breaking anything? |
| 12:03.58 | abrotman | thank you! |
| 12:04.12 | abrotman | !tell codertux about ssb |
| 12:04.17 | abrotman | codertux: that may or may not work .. |
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| 12:04.39 | berzerka | abrotman: yup, if i install one of them the other one gets removed. obviously they were allowed to co-exist until now. |
| 12:05.26 | abrotman | berzerka: or they depend on different libraries .. apt-cache show foo might tell you more |
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| 12:05.57 | berzerka | abrotman: is this the preferred way of finding out why packages are being kept back? or would you advice looking at each package's dependencies manually? |
| 12:06.17 | berzerka | abrotman: no its actually gnuplot-nox : Conflicts: gnuplot-x11 and the other way around, no libraries involved. |
| 12:06.21 | codertux | abrotman: there's 0.9.8 in backports, which we are using now. the version in sid is 0.9.12-rc2 iirc. can I use those instructions with wheezy? |
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| 12:07.01 | abrotman | codertux: sure |
| 12:07.06 | abrotman | berzerka: apttiude whynot foo |
| 12:07.17 | codertux | abrotman: thanks for the tip, I'll give it a shot |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | berzerka: sorry, why-not |
| 12:07.41 | berzerka | abrotman: of course. will try that next time. thanks! |
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| 12:21.41 | _Sam-- | if im using incrontab, and want to execute a script when an event occurs, how do i know what incron will pass to my bash script? will it be $1 $2 etc? or something else? and how would i know? |
| 12:22.00 | ptrkmj | some dependecies printed by `apt-cache rdpends package' have `|' prepended to their names. what does it mean? |
| 12:22.33 | SAQ_Sam | . |
| 12:22.47 | SAQ_Sam | . |
| 12:23.10 | amphorion | ptrkmj: it depends on one of those.... |
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| 12:23.42 | fasta | ptrkmj: | is a fairly universal or symbol. |
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| 12:23.58 | themill | _Sam--: incrontab(5) describes how you can control this |
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| 12:24.56 | abrotman | ptrkmj: it's an OR |
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| 12:25.59 | _Sam-- | nope. that describes how to use incrontab crontab -- which im doing fine. |
| 12:26.09 | ptrkmj | abrotman: okay then, but there's only single package name after `|'. so what exactly is ORed? |
| 12:26.22 | abrotman | ptrkmj: the one .. before it ? |
| 12:26.40 | _Sam-- | but i need to get the variables from incrontab's output -- filename and path -- $$ $% out of it and into my bash script |
| 12:26.49 | _Sam-- | er nm, duh |
| 12:26.56 | _Sam-- | i can just appened them myself as $1 $2 |
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| 12:26.58 | ptrkmj | abrotman: the one above it? |
| 12:27.00 | abrotman | ptrkmj: generally like pkg1, pkg2 | pkg3, pkg4" |
| 12:27.16 | abrotman | ptrkmj: oh, yes .. sorry, rdepends is different syntax than show |
| 12:27.18 | abrotman | output |
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| 12:32.01 | owp | where is the vlan package? i just installed the netcd and its missing the vlan package...... |
| 12:32.07 | owp | kinda retarded |
| 12:32.42 | Woet | owp: how do you mean, where is the package? it's in apt-get |
| 12:32.43 | Woet | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/vlan |
| 12:33.01 | themill | !show sources.list owp |
| 12:33.02 | dpkg | owp: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 12:33.10 | owp | Woet: well its not on the CD, and since i need the cd to get to my network.... i find it strange |
| 12:33.22 | Woet | owp: not every package is on CD1, only the most popular ones |
| 12:33.30 | owp | Woet: im talking about the netcd |
| 12:33.53 | Woet | owp: netinstall you mean? it downloads the packages from the mirror |
| 12:33.55 | owp | which Ia assumed would have what i need to get online so i can get the rest of the packages but without the vlan package i cannot setup my network : / |
| 12:34.07 | owp | i need vlan to get network running :) |
| 12:34.13 | themill | owp: umm... you've got a pretty unusual network if you need vlan to get it running |
| 12:34.18 | Woet | why isn't it untagged? |
| 12:34.25 | themill | (very very few people have the vlan package installed) |
| 12:34.26 | Woet | thinks the same as themill |
| 12:34.46 | Woet | that you have tagged VLANs I understand, but requiring them even for basic network connection is odd. |
| 12:34.55 | bolt | what is the proper way of making ntpd ignore settings received by dhclient for ntp-servers? i tried removing "ntp-servers" from the request in dhclient.conf, but the server still sends ntp-servers and so dhclient still generates /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp and ntpd still uses it. I can't change the dhcp server sending this. How can I ignore it? |
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| 12:36.22 | Alam_Squeeze | bolt: modify /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/* ? |
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| 12:37.15 | nkuttler | owp: if you just need that package just download and insert it. if necessary the few necessary deps as well |
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| 12:39.23 | ptrkmj | do you know why there are duplicates in apt-cache rdepends output? e.g. try `apt-cache rdepends cups-bsd' and you'll see that imagemagick appears two times. |
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| 12:41.34 | devmikey | Question: I can use a usbkeyboard but a usb external hdd doesnt appear to show up. I've tried modprobe usb-storage but still no. what else? |
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| 12:41.43 | abrotman | he's back! |
| 12:41.49 | devmikey | hi |
| 12:41.52 | abrotman | devmikey: does it work in another box ? |
| 12:42.04 | devmikey | abrotman: but this time lsusb show my keyboard |
| 12:42.24 | abrotman | right .. but does teh HDD work ? |
| 12:42.29 | devmikey | so i'm more confident that I'm actually dealing with a real box |
| 12:42.35 | devmikey | abrotman: yes it works |
| 12:42.45 | devmikey | abrotman: in windows |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | devmikey: anything in 'dmesg' when you plug it in ? |
| 12:43.29 | devmikey | no |
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| 12:46.50 | abrotman | devmikey: nothing at all?! tried another port? |
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| 12:49.15 | devmikey | I just tried another USB port and it all works |
| 12:49.17 | devmikey | thx anyway |
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| 12:50.33 | Maghoole | any girls here? |
| 12:50.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:50.37 | abrotman | Maghoole: wrong channel |
| 12:51.07 | Maghoole | objection: abrotman is gay. he believes wanting girls in here is wrong. |
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| 12:51.18 | abrotman | and we're done with that |
| 12:51.35 | devmikey | Is there any way to see how much free disk is avail on a device without mounting it? |
| 12:51.52 | abrotman | electron microscope ? |
| 12:52.10 | superdmp | if /etc/shadow shows: root:*:15483:0:99999:7::: |
| 12:52.10 | superdmp | what does tell me about the password? |
| 12:52.14 | superdmp | is there one? |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | devmikey: you'd have to mount it to be able to access the file system .. |
| 12:52.29 | devmikey | Reason being, I have no idea how they partitioned this drive and by default the system doesnt even appear to mount the raid array |
| 12:52.34 | devmikey | abrotman: ok |
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| 12:52.44 | abrotman | superdmp: man shadow |
| 12:52.47 | devmikey | is there a way to get a list of mountable drives? |
| 12:53.02 | superdmp | abrotman: not true - digital ones are very slightly heavier than digital zeroes |
| 12:53.16 | superdmp | with a very accurate balance you could measure how full it is |
| 12:53.28 | devmikey | Or maybe I should just blow the whole OS install away and let the Debain Install Disk tell me |
| 12:53.33 | bolt | devmikey: if you assume the disk has only ever been written to once and the rest is zeroed out... |
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| 12:53.42 | devmikey | superdmp: I'm not amused |
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| 12:56.49 | abrotman | superdmp: that doesn't tell you where they are on the physical disk |
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| 12:57.15 | abrotman | devmikey: fdisk -l /dev/sda for example |
| 12:57.36 | superdmp | true, but he only wanted to know how much was used up. However: |
| 12:58.18 | superdmp | if you get the disk spinning you could measure the vibrations to work out how they were distributed |
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| 12:59.46 | devmikey | any hdds would be sd* ? |
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| 13:01.29 | abrotman | devmikey: depends on your setup |
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| 13:01.49 | abrotman | superdmp: which doesn't tell you much either unless you can find the beginning/end of the partitions on the platter |
| 13:02.27 | Alver | Hello. Can anyone assist with a crypttab entry? I have a md1 device that was encrypted using "cryptsetup create md1_crypt /dev/md1 --key-file /etc/keys/foo.key". It's not luks formatted. |
| 13:02.52 | Alver | I can manually unlock it (using the same command again), but I can't figure out how to make crypttab do it at boottime. |
| 13:03.04 | devmikey | well they're almost certainly not SAS drives :D |
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| 13:04.01 | Alver | dmesg shows this during boot: [ 28.507472] device-mapper: table: 253:12: crypt: Digest algorithm missing for ESSIV mode |
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| 13:04.17 | Alver | ... but that line doesn't show much in google, except the sourcecode that prints it |
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| 13:05.55 | fasta | How can I merge two directories? I.e. copy the contents of one into the other where one takes priority over the other? |
| 13:06.17 | fasta | Or does mv already do that by default? |
| 13:06.35 | Alver | fasta: it will overwrite a target file of the same name by default |
| 13:06.50 | fasta | Alver: but for common directories it will merge? |
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| 13:07.43 | devmikey | Alver: what are device mappers all about? The machine I have uses that |
| 13:08.09 | devmikey | Can it be a method of doing software RAID |
| 13:08.24 | Alver | devmikey: it does what it says... it maps devices. |
| 13:08.35 | devmikey | to what? |
| 13:08.39 | fasta | Alver: it seems mv cannot even do that. |
| 13:08.49 | fasta | Is there something else which can? |
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| 13:09.01 | fasta | Some CLI tool. |
| 13:09.03 | Alver | fasta: what doesn't work about mv -v * /some/target ? |
| 13:09.48 | fasta | Alver: it says 'folder is not empty' |
| 13:09.57 | trifler | fasta: You're being a bit vauge. Two directory with the same name can co-exist under the same path. Moving a folder e.g. one step "lower" megers it with the folder above in the hierchy. |
| 13:09.59 | fasta | Alver: for all the folders that I want merged. |
| 13:10.03 | trifler | can't! |
| 13:10.04 | DammitJim | I'm on wheezy and on chrome I keep getting this alert about flash after an update |
| 13:10.09 | DammitJim | does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 13:10.15 | trifler | s,can,can't |
| 13:10.21 | DammitJim | it says adobe flash was blocked because it is out of date |
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| 13:11.08 | WormFood | did deluge break for anyone else on debian stable? |
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| 13:12.21 | Alver | fasta: you have to move the contents, not the upper level dir, I suppose. |
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| 13:13.36 | WormFood | fasta, use cp, then delete the source files. |
| 13:13.55 | Alver | Ugh, silly me. Leaving out a part of the cipher obviously won't help. |
| 13:13.59 | devmikey | How could I tell if my device mapper is doing software RAID |
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| 13:14.19 | Alver | devmikey: dm doesn't "do" software raid |
| 13:14.28 | WormFood | or perhaps the -u option on mv will do the trick...did you try that fasta? |
| 13:14.36 | Alver | it might do some device mapping for the softraid you created, but that's something else |
| 13:14.37 | devmikey | being used to help do ... |
| 13:15.29 | devmikey | Or more importantly, if I blow away a current install and do a new one, how hard is a software raid to recreate if necessary? |
| 13:15.57 | Alver | Not hard at all |
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| 13:16.14 | devmikey | Alver: bear in mind that I'ma moron |
| 13:16.19 | fasta | WormFood: I used Dolphin. |
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| 13:16.23 | |DM| | Alver: huh? |
| 13:16.24 | fasta | WormFood: problem solved. |
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| 13:16.33 | fasta | WormFood: your solution was also OK, likely. |
| 13:16.44 | Alver | |DM|: what? :) |
| 13:16.53 | |DM| | " dm doesn't "do" software raid" |
| 13:17.07 | |DM| | Of course I don't do software raids, I'm not the FBI or CIA ! |
| 13:17.11 | Alver | Oh. |
| 13:17.13 | Alver | :P |
| 13:17.20 | |DM| | :D |
| 13:17.46 | Alver | Well, if that software raid would happen to have a cute ass and a nice rack, I bet you would do it |
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| 13:17.47 | Alver | But we're diverging |
| 13:18.10 | passstab | is there anything wrong with the one line sources.lst file "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib universe" ? |
| 13:18.44 | Alver | passstab: isn't "universe" something ubuntu? |
| 13:18.45 | passstab | cause i'm getting "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/InRelease Unable to find expected entry 'universe/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)" |
| 13:18.45 | dvs | WTF is universe? |
| 13:18.59 | passstab | oh right thanks |
| 13:19.07 | Alver | main, contrib and non-free are all you need |
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| 13:20.22 | |DM| | yeah, universe is something to do with ubuntus software catagorizing. |
| 13:20.27 | |DM| | also, Alver , I would. |
| 13:20.41 | passstab | i installed the program multisystem |
| 13:21.03 | passstab | which insists on messing with that |
| 13:22.02 | Alver | devmikey: if you want to play with softraid, read up on md, mdadm, and try it out with loop-devices or so. |
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| 13:23.36 | ChrisH | Alver: is mdadm capable of running on loop-devices or files? |
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| 13:30.18 | Pouet | Hi :) |
| 13:30.32 | devmikey | Alver: I only want to if its actually the way this machine acheives raid |
| 13:31.11 | Alver | devmikey: if you don't have a hardware raid controller and you haven't configured md or LVM softraid, you don't have raid at all |
| 13:31.45 | Alver | ChrisH: it is capable of running on anything that is a blockdevice, so yes, also on loop devices |
| 13:32.14 | abrotman | LVM isn't really RAID so much |
| 13:32.18 | devmikey | Apparently I may need to check out dmraid |
| 13:32.31 | abrotman | i guess in the same sense RAID0 is RAID .. |
| 13:32.45 | Alver | abrotman: you can do striping and mirroring in LVM. |
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| 13:33.49 | abrotman | oh, i forgot about the mirroring part .. thanks |
| 13:33.55 | Pouet | I have .deb package which contains a post install bash script. There is a $D var which is tested in the first lines of the script, does anyone knows if its set by dpkg or something else ? |
| 13:33.59 | devmikey | i believe the bios makes comments about raid5 |
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| 13:34.27 | devmikey | and this a server box, so I would have guessed hardware at the outset |
| 13:34.27 | sakal | hi, is it normal, that aptitude safe-upgrade want remove linux-sound-base ? |
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| 13:35.08 | devmikey | i suspect that they just used device mapper for no good reason at all |
| 13:35.26 | Alver | devmikey: devicemapper is always being used |
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| 13:36.28 | abrotman | sakal: aptitude why-not linux-sound-base |
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| 13:36.50 | soon | Hi folks. Currently running Mint 12. I want to try out Debian. My CPU is Intel core i7. That means I should get the ia64 install version, correct? |
| 13:36.50 | diverdude | Hello, anybody knows if this guy is compatible with debian distro? http://www.neousys-tech.com/PCIe-PoE_2+.html |
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| 13:37.06 | devmikey | but they created little pseudodevices of like 20GB for a whole bunch of crap. I think it's for some kind of virtual environment |
| 13:37.20 | devmikey | I think this used to be used as a web server before |
| 13:37.30 | devmikey | I dont need it to do that now |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | diverdude: google the model, see if you can get a device ID |
| 13:37.53 | babilen | soon: You want either amd64 or i386 (ia64 is itanium) |
| 13:38.06 | sakal | abramart, alsa-base Breaks linux-sound-base, so, I can think, that alsa doen't need it any more? |
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| 13:38.17 | soon | babilen - ok, thx. |
| 13:39.20 | aguitel | there is anyway to install xfce 4.10 in debian ? |
| 13:39.21 | babilen | soon: I would furthermore recommend to use the kmuto installer with a newer kernel (/msg dpkg kmuto) and to upgrade the kernel and Xorg to the versions in backports directly after the installation. (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel ; /msg dpkg bdo xorg) -- Another option would be to run testing or unstable, but that isn't really recommended. |
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| 13:39.57 | babilen | aguitel: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 13:40.09 | aguitel | babilen, testing |
| 13:40.16 | devmikey | is there a cmd that would let you see system info such as the existence of a hardware raid controller? |
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| 13:41.21 | nevyn | devmikey: lspci |
| 13:41.29 | babilen | aguitel: It is in experimental, but I wouldn't recommend to pull it from there. Just wait until it has been uploaded to unstable and then see "/msg dpkg tum". You could also backup your system, pull it from experimental, marvel at the shambles that remotely resemble your old system and restore from backup. ;) |
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| 13:41.59 | aguitel | babilen, ok thanks |
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| 13:43.19 | devmikey | nevyn: So if I see RAID Bus controller in the output, I assume that means I have hardware raid |
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| 13:45.50 | nevyn | devmikey: what exactly is the line in the output? |
| 13:46.51 | nevyn | just paste the one line in here. |
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| 13:47.42 | devmikey | 01:00.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc. Unknown device 1004 (rev 01) |
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| 13:49.05 | dvs | devmikey: Try "update-pciids" and then run "lspci" again. |
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| 13:51.19 | devmikey | 01:00.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc. SATA II RAID PCIe (rev 01) |
| 13:51.30 | devmikey | excuse me |
| 13:51.41 | devmikey | 01:00.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc. 9650SE SATA II RAID PCIe (rev 01) |
| 13:51.59 | devmikey | looks promising |
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| 13:52.13 | nevyn | ok that's a real raid controller |
| 13:52.35 | nevyn | so now you need to be able to monitor and manage it. |
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| 13:53.20 | devmikey | nevyn: That makes me feel better about blowing everything away since I wont even have to create a software raid |
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| 13:56.32 | Alver | devmikey: a raidcontroller won't protect you against human error |
| 13:57.13 | nevyn | and raid controllers are harder to manage monitor and maintain than software raid |
| 13:57.17 | nevyn | imho |
| 13:57.24 | nevyn | unless your at the really high end |
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| 14:00.29 | devmikey | But that doesn't affect my ability to install an OS to make this machine usable |
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| 14:01.01 | pengol | hi there ... is there any default password for the openldap server? |
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| 14:02.11 | Days` | Hello guys, how can i reconfigure my keyboard layout on debian wheezy (no xorg) without rebooting ? |
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| 14:02.56 | pengol | Days`: loadkeys ? |
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| 14:03.04 | moty66 | seems that ftp.it.debian.org is dead http://paste.debian.net/170785/ |
| 14:03.44 | Days` | pengol: loadkeys does not work on my system, i don'y have any keymaps :/ |
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| 14:04.00 | pengol | moty66: works like a charm here |
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| 14:04.27 | moty66 | pengol: so it is a problem on my network ? |
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| 14:05.42 | pengol | Days`: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 14:06.16 | pengol | moty66: did you try another mirror? |
| 14:06.25 | Days` | pengol: that works, but i need to reboot to make it effective |
| 14:06.26 | superdmp | I'm using chroot, to set up a filesystem into which I installed squeeze using debootstrap - i'm following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en#id602342 |
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| 14:06.36 | superdmp | I've set up fstab in the right way I think |
| 14:06.39 | moty66 | pengol: .de works fine for now |
| 14:06.45 | Days` | pengol: is there a way to apply the changes without rebooting ? |
| 14:06.46 | superdmp | but mount -a doesn't mount proc |
| 14:06.59 | superdmp | though mount -t proc proc /proc does work |
| 14:07.18 | superdmp | what should I be looking at to see where the issue is? |
| 14:07.41 | pengol | moty66: have you tried loggin out and back in? |
| 14:08.00 | moty66 | pengol: why? |
| 14:08.20 | pengol | Days`: have you tried loggin out and back in? |
| 14:08.34 | pengol | moty66: sorry, it wasn't for you |
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| 14:09.32 | superdmp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.53 | superdmp | sound mount -a should do the same as mount -t proc proc /proc, shouldn't it |
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| 14:10.39 | fasta | What do I need for lib64z1-dev to be installable via apt-get install -t unstable lib64z1-dev ? |
| 14:13.26 | ksk | fasta: apt doest not tell you? |
| 14:13.35 | ksk | *does not |
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| 14:15.03 | fasta | ksk: it says something else points at it, but it's not available. |
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| 14:15.44 | ksk | than its "not a real package" probably... |
| 14:15.55 | ksk | ,versions lib64z1-dev |
| 14:15.56 | judd | Package: lib64z1-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12; squeeze: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; wheezy: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-1; sid: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-11 |
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| 14:16.19 | ksk | mhhhm, dunno :> |
| 14:16.43 | fasta | ksk: I want it on amd64 |
| 14:17.06 | fasta | ksk: basically I just want to have zlib development files. |
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| 14:17.55 | WormFood | does deluge actually work on debian stable for anyone? It stopped working for me. |
| 14:18.17 | jelly | fasta: amd64 already has 64bit devel files in zlib1g-dev |
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| 14:18.57 | fasta | jelly: some package doesn't detect it, though, but I suppose that's outside of the scope of this channel. |
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| 14:19.24 | fasta | jelly: So, I have devel files; they are just not being detected. |
| 14:19.25 | jelly | fasta: "some package" might need fixing, then |
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| 14:21.30 | devmikey | Question: It wont let me mount my external usb as rw, even if I specify as such in the options. How do I fix it? |
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| 14:22.37 | jelly | fasta: zlib.h is directly in /usr/include in sid, so #include <zlib.h> works as-is. There's even pkg-config support, so "pkg-config --libs zlib" or "pkg-config --cflags zlib" gives out correct output |
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| 14:23.32 | mmnicolas | devmikey: is this a normal installation with the default desktop environment ? |
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| 14:23.41 | fasta | jelly: yes, I don't think this is a Debian problem. |
| 14:24.09 | devmikey | not reeally, its a weird server |
| 14:24.29 | devmikey | all i want to do at this point is copy some files off, then blow it away |
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| 14:24.45 | devmikey | gotta mount my usb hdd as writable |
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| 14:25.17 | WormFood | why is deluge terminating with "glib.GError: Unrecognized image file format", on debian stable? I thought it was supposed to be stable. Does deluge actually work anymore for anyone else on debian stable (with most recent updates)? |
| 14:25.24 | mmnicolas | devmikey: then just mount it as root, mount /dev/somedev /mnt/somemountpoint |
| 14:25.37 | devmikey | that's what I did |
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| 14:25.49 | devmikey | only the last cmd only mounts as readonly |
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| 14:27.08 | mmnicolas | that's weird, is it ntfs ? try adding "-o rw" right after "mount" in the mount command |
| 14:27.21 | mmnicolas | make sure to unmount first |
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| 14:28.34 | WormFood | mount -o remount,ro /mnt/whatever <-- will make a mounted file system read-only |
| 14:28.42 | WormFood | without unmounting it |
| 14:29.24 | WormFood | of course, you can't have open files for writing on it, but if you're only reading, you can make it read-only without unmounting it first. |
| 14:29.26 | mmnicolas | WormFood: we want the opposite but yes, -o remount,rw |
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| 14:30.09 | WormFood | oh, yeah, I misread that...but you get the idea, just change the "ro" in what I said to "rw" |
| 14:30.29 | WormFood | that is even easier to go from ro to rw |
| 14:30.57 | devmikey | i cant rujn fsck on the drive |
| 14:31.03 | devmikey | that seems bad to me |
| 14:31.09 | devmikey | i suspect it's ntfs |
| 14:31.51 | devmikey | I tried specing rw explicitly but no dice |
| 14:32.00 | WormFood | if you suspect logical problems with your ntfs file system, then I suggest you "fix" it under windows. (of course, my "fix" would be to erase it and format it as ext2/3) |
| 14:32.02 | devmikey | usually when this happens, fsck can be in order |
| 14:32.36 | WormFood | virtual computers are handy for that kinda stuff, sometimes. |
| 14:32.45 | devmikey | this is the only reason I might suspect logical problems |
| 14:32.49 | devmikey | works fine in win |
| 14:33.06 | WormFood | sometimes it will work fine in winblows, even tho it has logical problems |
| 14:34.19 | WormFood | it is not uncommon for partition manager or parted magic to refuse to touch an ntfs partition, until I repair it under windows (doing it under Linux won't work most of the time)....Winblows can fix some of the more complex problems (or at least, they have the info needed to make it consistent.) |
| 14:35.24 | nevyn | yeah.. consistant.. |
| 14:35.33 | nevyn | microsoft care about your data... |
| 14:35.38 | nevyn | don't worry |
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| 14:36.49 | devmikey | WormFood: how to fix in windows? PM me if offtopic |
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| 14:46.10 | devmikey | is it possible the old linux box just sucks at ntfs? |
| 14:46.14 | sammy | apt picks the source listed first in sources.list if they have same version, but I'm not sure the order the files in sources.list.d are being loaded. alphabetically? is there a way apt-cache policy or apt-cache madison shows the order in which it would choose packages from sources with identical priorities? |
| 14:46.15 | apt | sammy: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 14:46.23 | sammy | whoops. *pets the bot |
| 14:46.58 | dvs | sammy: Order of appearance shouldn't matter. |
| 14:47.52 | sammy | dvs: how do you mean? |
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| 14:50.31 | sammy | I'm assuming if I have a source in sources.list and then another source listed in sources.list.d/something.list with the same priority that the one listed in sources.list will be used. I'm just not sure how I can tell which version of a package it would want to choose if both of the sources were in lists located in sources.list.d/ |
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| 14:52.41 | engla | sammy: man apt_preferences |
| 14:53.23 | wwd | I am having some trouble creating a write-intent bitmap using mdadm on a raid6 array, is there anyone here who could assist me on this topic? |
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| 14:54.02 | devmikey | if ntfsprogs isnt installed, would that cause this issue? |
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| 15:03.20 | gringoire | /window right |
| 15:03.26 | gringoire | ignore that, sorry. |
| 15:03.28 | superdmp | at section D.3.4.1. Create device files of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en it says to use MAKEDEV generic |
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| 15:03.54 | superdmp | this command isn't found |
| 15:04.10 | superdmp | I am not sure where to go from here |
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| 15:04.58 | devmikey | someone is using irssi |
| 15:05.32 | devmikey | how do you force sshd to use the users in /etc/password? |
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| 15:05.44 | gringoire | devmikey: weechat :P |
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| 15:08.29 | SAQ_Sam | >/dev/null 2>&1 ? |
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| 15:09.25 | D-Boy | SAQ_Sam : okey, where ? for starter i didn't tell it to do that, but the server was out of space this morning, and this behavior started after that |
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| 15:10.52 | SAQ_Sam | append it to the end of the command, in crontab |
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| 15:21.28 | oo_miguel | when i try "aptitude update" many of the sources are reporting Err 301 moved permanently, or Failed to open file, or 404 Not Found |
| 15:21.46 | oo_miguel | when i try to "aptitude install" something i get a Warning: untrusted versions of the packages will be installed!... |
| 15:22.03 | oo_miguel | any ideas what happened to my systme? |
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| 15:22.25 | untrusted | oo_miguel: maybe some mirror down at the moment? |
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| 15:22.46 | themill | oo_miguel: the full output of "aptitude update" in a pastebin would be interesting to see. |
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| 15:23.52 | oo_miguel | http://pastebin.com/L6xKn2Gj |
| 15:23.56 | oo_miguel | this is the output :( |
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| 15:24.19 | themill | oo_miguel: /topic |
| 15:24.21 | abrotman | !tell oo_miguel about lenny sources.list |
| 15:24.28 | abrotman | !tell oo_miguel about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:24.41 | addaddrx | any uses deb on arm ? |
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| 15:26.39 | themill | addaddrx: many people do -- just ask your real question |
| 15:27.57 | oo_miguel | thx a lot |
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| 15:52.28 | petr_ | hi, I have a problem with installing procps - described here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79929 |
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| 15:54.34 | devmikey | question: why cant I ssh as root when the sshd_config allows root logins? |
| 15:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | devmikey: password based? Are you using the default config? |
| 15:55.59 | themill | petr_: what's the output of "mount" on that machine? |
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| 15:57.05 | devmikey | jhutchins: i think its using pam but if turning that off = /etc/password based I tried that and it still didnt work |
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| 15:58.18 | sammy | engla: didn't see anything helpful in that manpage unfortunately |
| 15:58.23 | themill | petr_: please use a pastebin |
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| 16:00.24 | devmikey | AllowedUsers fixed it |
| 16:00.26 | devmikey | nevermind |
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| 16:02.36 | ChibaPet | Hey, can someone point me to a sane example of configuring ipsec where the tunnelled subnet is hooked onto an lo alias? Evidently this is how various things do it but I'm having a hellish time getting it to work. I can get everything to work if I point at a real physical network interface, but then I have to worry about other things on that wire. |
| 16:03.04 | themill | petr_: also, what does "lsattr /bin/ps" say? |
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| 16:03.51 | themill | petr_: please answer in the channel not in /msg so that others can help |
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| 16:04.34 | petr_ | themill: sudo: lsattr: command not found |
| 16:04.49 | themill | petr_: is the e2fsprogs package not installed? (why not? it's part of the standard install) |
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| 16:06.49 | moty66 | is it possible to moun an afp network share ? |
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| 16:06.55 | moty66 | mount* |
| 16:06.56 | petr_ | themill: i don't have installed that package (but i don't know why) |
| 16:07.15 | TheWarden | Hi, how can I run a command as another user (not su or sudo)? |
| 16:07.27 | themill | TheWarden: log in as that user. |
| 16:07.57 | TheWarden | themill: I have no idea what the user password is and I don't believe that user can login. |
| 16:08.11 | TheWarden | I want to run a command as the user www-data |
| 16:08.24 | vlt | TheWarden: Why not sudo? |
| 16:08.27 | themill | TheWarden: so what's wrong with using either su or sudo? |
| 16:09.14 | TheWarden | well maybe I should have ran the man pages first for su or sudo. I just thought you couldn't specific what user to run as. |
| 16:09.25 | themill | you can do so with both tools |
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| 16:10.06 | petr_ | themill: I know that e2fsprogs could solve my problem but it gives me this error: http://pastebin.com/G53RKvtu |
| 16:10.42 | themill | petr_: you could download the package and then install it with dpkg -i but you'd also need to manually download its dependencies. |
| 16:11.09 | TheWarden | okay well I guess I just need to figure out then how to specify what user to run the command as. |
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| 16:11.44 | themill | petr_: btw I can only think of two reasons that you've got his problem -- unhappy filesystem or you've had visitors who have messed with files. In either case, I hope you've got recent backups. |
| 16:13.57 | devmikey | Big question: Why is it that when I try to copy *from* the server to local via ssh, it complains that the source is read-only? |
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| 16:20.40 | petr_ | themill: thanks for help, manually install of some dependeces helped |
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| 16:25.29 | cusco | hi~ |
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| 16:25.55 | cusco | I'm right now on a server, that has two network cards, but only eth0 is shown |
| 16:25.55 | fabiobik | i cant boot from my usb disk gives me missing sysytem operative |
| 16:25.59 | fabiobik | any tip to solve this? |
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| 16:26.37 | cusco | err scratch that, thought lspci detected both but its the same line |
| 16:26.59 | cusco | fabiobik: I had that not long ago, in one computer |
| 16:27.09 | cusco | the usb drive would work everywhere else |
| 16:27.47 | fabiobik | cusco, and how did you solved? |
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| 16:34.24 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 16:35.32 | Harzilein | dbconfig-common states in its docs that it will "work for local admins with little effort on their part" |
| 16:35.56 | Harzilein | does that include situations where i want to abuse it for non-packaging related db-independet setup of databases? |
| 16:37.06 | Harzilein | independent* |
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| 16:38.45 | themill | I wouldn't be surprised if the dbc shell functions to expect to be called from within maintainer scripts, but you might be lucky |
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| 16:48.47 | Quibus | Trying again: does someone how to use sensors-applet with GNOME 3? |
| 16:48.53 | Quibus | hmm |
| 16:48.58 | Quibus | Trying again: does someone know how to use sensors-applet with GNOME 3? |
| 16:49.13 | fasta | Quibus: if you try again, I will try ops. |
| 16:49.26 | Quibus | fasta: why? |
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| 16:49.49 | Quibus | fasta: what sensitive spot did I hit there? |
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| 16:51.44 | fasta | Quibus: never mind, but you did ask it 3 times already. |
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| 16:52.02 | fasta | Quibus: Gnome 3 doesn't even work in Debian Stable. |
| 16:52.12 | Quibus | fasta: this is the 3rd time in 10 hours. I hoped that other people were here that would give me an answer now |
| 16:52.35 | fasta | Quibus: irc.gnome.org #gnome-shell |
| 16:52.52 | Quibus | GNOME points to Debian, Debian points to GNOME |
| 16:52.57 | Quibus | Is this channel only for stable? |
| 16:53.08 | fasta | Quibus: #debian-next |
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| 16:53.15 | fasta | Quibus: some say it is, some say it isn't. |
| 16:53.29 | Quibus | if it is, name it #debian-stable or something :P |
| 16:53.42 | themill | Quibus: you'll often get better help for wheezy/sid in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:54.10 | Quibus | pff, yet another channel and server. But OK, thanks for the hint. |
| 16:54.29 | engla | it's not only for stable |
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| 16:56.32 | themill | Quibus: it's more that you've got a higher density of testing/unstable users and helpers there which is an advantage for you. |
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| 16:58.16 | burhan | I'm running debian in a virtual machine (debian is guest OS). It was setup with LVM. Now I would like to extend the hard disk, which I have done in the VM; as expected the hard drive doesn't expand in the OS since there is unpartitioned space. Is there a way that I can add this extra space to the existing partition, or should I create a new partition and mount the unused space there? |
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| 16:58.28 | burhan | ah, it was setup *without* LVM |
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| 17:01.26 | Quibus | OK thanks. I'll give up here, then. |
| 17:01.30 | Quibus | see you |
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| 17:17.40 | _gcr | Hey there! Is there any way for me to get the output from mkfs.ext4 from debian-installer? It's going slow and I just want to make sure it hasn't crashed or something |
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| 17:18.31 | superdmp | can anyone explain what this means? |
| 17:18.33 | superdmp | MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:18.33 | superdmp | .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
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| 17:19.18 | _gcr | Whoop, nevermind, it finished |
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| 17:20.17 | aso001 | I have to prove that apache2 v 2.2.16 has been backported for all avialable security updates. Does anyone the command I give to do this? |
| 17:20.19 | aso001 | apache2 -v ----- just gives me |
| 17:20.20 | aso001 | Server version: Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) |
| 17:20.22 | aso001 | Server built: Apr 1 2012 07:14:38 |
| 17:21.08 | aso001 | I need this for a PCI compliance audit |
| 17:21.17 | themill | !tracker of doom |
| 17:21.18 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 17:21.38 | nechayev | quick question.....I am hoping to install and provide support of debian as a business venture, and wondered about installing all appropriately 'free' software, and if i could then have a script that the customer would run, to install needed extras such as flash....would this be ok? alternatively, could i just set up the multimedia repos, and provide them with a list of packages to install from software center? |
| 17:21.50 | themill | aso001: the changelog will also list CVEs that are fixed. |
| 17:22.38 | aso001 | thank you! |
| 17:24.36 | rootant | guys, i have a wierd problem, i've ulocked 111 and 2049 tcp and upd ports on my debian machine and i cannot do nfs with the firewall working |
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| 17:25.07 | Ryccardo|XFCE | I lost my XFCE 4 taskbar... running `nohup xfce4-panel &` correctly runs it as long as I keep xterm open, though |
| 17:25.25 | craigevil | nechayev, take a look at exoodles at linuxquestions.org |
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| 17:26.54 | rootant | i'm getting mount.nfs: portmap query failed: RPC: Remote system error - Connection timed out |
| 17:27.18 | rootant | i've scanned the ports with nmap and they're open, both tcp and udp |
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| 17:35.12 | superdmp | do I need to worry about: mount -a |
| 17:35.13 | superdmp | warning: can't open /etc/mtab: No such file or directory |
| 17:35.40 | superdmp | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en - I get that at section D.3.4.2. Mount Partitions |
| 17:36.58 | rootant | ok, i see that i had to unlock 2 additional ports, how would expect |
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| 17:37.35 | heimann | hi, does somebody know a 3d plotting tool where i can mark each point and view the coordinates? I found many tools already, but i don't know if they have this feature. |
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| 17:38.29 | devmikey | is there any way to tar and zip while scping? |
| 17:38.39 | devmikey | or rsyncing for that matter |
| 17:39.05 | bps | scp -C? |
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| 17:41.34 | devmikey | no, but thx anyway :D |
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| 17:44.23 | valdyn | devmikey: if you want to rsync, use rsync, not scp |
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| 17:44.28 | engla | devmikey: sending a tar over a pipe like tar cfvz - ./files | ssh .. "cat > out.tar.gz" ? or similar. |
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| 17:47.24 | netsrot | Hi, I'm running debian testing and when I run pwmconfig I get: /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed. How do I install them? |
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| 17:48.08 | devmikey | valdyn: i dont care which |
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| 17:49.33 | unferth | did you install laptop tools and all that? |
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| 17:52.53 | superdmp | does it matter if I don't have an /etc/mtab file? |
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| 17:55.00 | jelly-home | superdmp: which debian release are you using? |
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| 17:55.28 | superdmp | jelly-home: sudo debootstrap squeeze |
| 17:55.44 | superdmp | i don't know if it makes a difference that I used debootstrap |
| 17:56.08 | jelly-home | superdmp: it's normal for a fresh debootstrap not to have a mtab, yes. |
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| 17:56.48 | superdmp | jelly-home: so am I expected to create one myself? or is it not required? |
| 17:56.59 | jelly-home | it will be generated at first boot |
| 17:57.01 | fasta | Does a chroot also have associated services, etc. ? And do these start if you have configured inittab? |
| 17:58.20 | superdmp | jelly-home: OK, thanks |
| 17:58.42 | unferth | netsrot: beyond suggesting you have fancontrol and lm-sensors installed, i don't know about the modules. |
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| 18:02.05 | korkman | I see there's a Request For Packaging for flashcache http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635504 |
| 18:02.31 | korkman | that's a really interesting project (flashcache) and the package is just about done |
| 18:02.58 | korkman | any way to promote it so it gets some maintainer's attention? |
| 18:03.12 | dalias | does debian have gcc cross compiler packages for major targets? |
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| 18:03.42 | korkman | (like, voting?) |
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| 18:05.44 | ompaul | korkman: go to #mentors on irc.oftc.net and you will find people who will help you package it |
| 18:06.07 | devmikey | engla: might work |
| 18:06.58 | jelly-home | korkman: what about bcache! |
| 18:07.34 | korkman | jelly-home: does it perform writeback, too? |
| 18:07.41 | jelly-home | of course |
| 18:07.49 | korkman | visits http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ |
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| 18:08.57 | jelly-home | korkman: https://lwn.net/Articles/497024/ |
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| 18:10.02 | korkman | jelly-home: paywalled :-/ but i see no bcache package either in unstable |
| 18:10.17 | jelly-home | korkman: you don't have a lwn subscription? |
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| 18:10.32 | korkman | it may come as a shock to you, but no |
| 18:10.58 | jelly-home | wth not |
| 18:11.00 | korkman | does bcache attempt going mainline? |
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| 18:11.20 | jelly-home | read the article (link sent in private) |
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| 18:13.35 | nnatomltop | Linux -> debian is working great on my net book. However I can't get my SD card slot to work ... It almost seems as though the SD is a hot plugged SATA drive or something .. The HD led seems tied to the SD card anyway. |
| 18:13.41 | nnatomltop | Any help ? |
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| 18:14.23 | jelly-home | nnatomltop: does ti work coldplugged? |
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| 18:15.26 | nnatomltop | jelly-home, Idk .. never tried it |
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| 18:16.03 | nnatomltop | jelly-home, It dosn't show up in lspci or lsusb |
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| 18:16.50 | nnatomltop | jelly-home, onily guess under lspci would be "00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 02)" and that is some what of a stretch |
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| 18:23.11 | sweb | is any link for last stable version of debian ? .iso file |
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| 18:23.55 | korkman | sweb: how about hitting debian.org > getting debian > iso images? |
| 18:24.17 | jelly-home | sweb: www.debian.org, the green link on the right |
| 18:24.18 | cusco | seems fair :) |
| 18:24.33 | jelly-home | it's literally on the FRONT PAGE |
| 18:24.40 | sweb | korkman: i want to send a url that last last .iso file ... all .iso files have version ... i cant change my url any time ... |
| 18:25.09 | sweb | for example http://example.org/debian/latest.iso // by now debian 6.0.5 |
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| 18:26.26 | superdmp | how is it possible that aptitude install locales can't find anything to install? |
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| 18:26.50 | korkman | sweb: hum ... seems there's no such link |
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| 18:27.02 | sweb | korkman: y :( |
| 18:27.03 | valdyn | superdmp: easy, have a broken /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:27.04 | jelly-home | sweb: I'd point the users to the front page. |
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| 18:27.17 | g0to | hi there! |
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| 18:27.58 | superdmp | valdyn: yes - but there's nothing broken in here: http://dpaste.com/751568/ is there? |
| 18:28.00 | korkman | sweb: closest thing is to link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:28.23 | jelly-home | sweb: but what if you want 32bit instead of 64bit |
| 18:28.32 | sweb | korkman: problem is file anme |
| 18:28.38 | valdyn | superdmp: yes, thats broken, the debian repository is not in there, only source and security updates |
| 18:28.43 | superdmp | oh hell |
| 18:28.51 | sweb | jelly-home: i always use 64 |
| 18:29.00 | korkman | sweb: yeah that's why i said "closest". along with a comment "take business iso" is possibly best you can do |
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| 18:29.26 | korkman | or netinst |
| 18:29.37 | korkman | but businesscard works fine |
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| 18:30.46 | korkman | notices multi-arch isos |
| 18:31.10 | korkman | i think i recently told someone that wouldn't exists |
| 18:31.35 | superdmp | thanks valdyn |
| 18:31.55 | jelly-home | korkman: little did you know that squeeze released with one of those linked on the front page |
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| 18:34.29 | superdmp | which linux-image to install? linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-amd64? |
| 18:35.14 | jelly-home | superdmp: the former. |
| 18:35.39 | superdmp | thanks jelly-home - what's the difference? |
| 18:35.46 | korkman | superdmp: both are metapackages, the former will install the latter and that will depend on the actual image |
| 18:35.50 | jelly-home | superdmp: practically none |
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| 18:36.49 | korkman | well linux-image-amd64 should sooner or later depend on ... linux-image-3-amd64? |
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| 18:37.47 | superdmp | there is a weird bit in these instructions: "If you intend to boot this system…." - why would one ever not intend that? |
| 18:38.02 | superdmp | sorry, full sentence: If you intend to boot this system, you probably want a Linux kernel and a boot loader. |
| 18:38.02 | devmikey | paperweight |
| 18:38.08 | korkman | superdmp: virtual chroots are not booted |
| 18:38.13 | devmikey | doorstop |
| 18:38.17 | korkman | superdmp: like linux-vserver or lxc |
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| 18:38.34 | superdmp | korkman: oh right |
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| 18:38.43 | superdmp | so what about xen? is that similar korkman |
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| 18:39.06 | devmikey | My server has xen |
| 18:39.15 | korkman | superdmp: iirc xen boots guest kernels |
| 18:39.29 | superdmp | korkman: thanks |
| 18:39.51 | devmikey | I bet abortman should know about that |
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| 18:40.16 | superdmp | I presume it needs a boot loader too then |
| 18:40.31 | korkman | superdmp: yes :-) grub2, lilo, syslinux |
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| 18:40.37 | devmikey | my xen server has a grub bootloader |
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| 18:40.55 | devmikey | im gonna get rid of xen shortly though |
| 18:41.05 | korkman | installing kvm? |
| 18:41.10 | g0to | I'm writing an init script based on the skeleton example but I don't where variables in Required-Start/Required-stop come from (example: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named) |
| 18:41.20 | devmikey | it will merely be used as a backup server if anything |
| 18:41.24 | devmikey | why do I need xen? |
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| 18:41.40 | g0to | *I don't know |
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| 18:41.54 | devmikey | neither do I |
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| 18:42.22 | superdmp | aptitude install grub: The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary |
| 18:42.24 | korkman | g0to: i think these are standardized by LSB |
| 18:42.26 | superdmp | well, it's blank |
| 18:42.35 | superdmp | I have no idea whether that is correct |
| 18:42.47 | g0to | korkman, any man page to read about? |
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| 18:44.11 | korkman | g0to: http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_4.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/facilname.html |
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| 18:45.32 | Skowron | Hi guys, I need help with setting up one rule in iptables. I have to allow outgoing connections to smtp.google.com on port 465. I tied google for it but can't find anything. Can anybody help me? |
| 18:45.55 | g0to | korkman, thanks! ;) |
| 18:46.14 | untrusted | !ferm |
| 18:46.15 | dpkg | ferm (For Easy Rule Making) is a frontend for <iptables> to maintain and set up complicated firewall rules. http://wiki.debian.org/ferm http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ #ferm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:46.36 | txomon|home | If I install a debian testing, will I have it always updated? |
| 18:47.15 | dvs | misses ipmasq |
| 18:47.17 | streuner | txomon|home: yes, if you use only testing in your sources.list |
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| 18:47.55 | frikinz_ | g0to: and this: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 18:52.10 | txomon|home | streuner, the idea was, if new release is done (testing -> stable), will I still remain in testing ? or I have to change my sources? (I am accustomed to ubuntu) |
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| 18:52.22 | g0to | frikinz_, thank you too. The $ before names confused me |
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| 18:52.54 | burhan | I have a package installed (mercurial), but would like to update it to the version from backports (backports repo is already installed). How do I do that? |
| 18:53.58 | korkman | burhan: launch aptitude, update package lists (u), search package (/), enter, select version from backports |
| 18:54.11 | burhan | is there a way to do that from apt? |
| 18:54.17 | burhan | aptitude isn't installed |
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| 18:54.33 | korkman | burhan: apt-get install package/backports i guess |
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| 18:55.34 | frikinz_ | txomon|home: depends if in your list you reference "testing" or "wheezy". first will track always testing , second will track wheezy ie testing now, stable in the future |
| 18:55.36 | superdmp | when installing grub, I'm getting errors like: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
| 18:55.40 | superdmp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.59 | burhan | hrmm, it doesn't show the one from backports |
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| 18:57.59 | txomon|home | frikinz_, just got to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting thank you anyway. At install time, can you choose? |
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| 18:58.31 | cek | guys, want a funny joke? "Debian is easy to keep up to date. Thats because they don't update it." |
| 18:58.35 | fanderal | burhan: apt-get install aptitude, then find backpports version in aptitude to update |
| 18:58.57 | valeriusN | hi ppl |
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| 18:59.19 | frikinz_ | txomon|home: don't know. its been a while I didn't install debian. I dist-upgrade since years and never reinstalled |
| 18:59.30 | valeriusN | could anybody help with GCC+libc? |
| 18:59.31 | cek | joke from 2004 |
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| 18:59.42 | dvs | bye! |
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| 18:59.46 | txomon|home | and is there any way to get certain packages from unstable and the rest from testing? |
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| 18:59.59 | burhan | some help please, what does p mean next to a package in aptitude? |
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| 19:00.09 | txomon|home | burhan, press h |
| 19:00.24 | burhan | txomon|home: nothing happens? |
| 19:00.33 | txomon|home | burhan, help displays |
| 19:00.45 | burhan | err |
| 19:00.52 | burhan | maybe I should quit it and start over |
| 19:00.58 | txomon|home | sry |
| 19:00.59 | txomon|home | ? |
| 19:01.04 | txomon|home | press ? |
| 19:01.05 | burhan | cause it didn't display anything. |
| 19:01.24 | valeriusN | how can I modify include paths for GCC for /usr/include/limits.h to include limits.h from gcc (I built a special version of gcc, which is in /usr/local/genode-gcc) |
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| 19:02.08 | frikinz_ | burhan: purged? meaning not installed and no config file present |
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| 19:03.21 | burhan | here is the thing, when I hit / and type mercurial, it shows me the version that is installed, when I select it and hit enter - it shows me at the bottom of the info page the version I want with a p next to it, but nothing happens when I hit enter or anything. |
| 19:03.43 | txomon|home | burhan, if you press C - T and got to manual |
| 19:03.46 | valeriusN | I suspect that the prefix /usr/local/genode-gcc is a non-standard, but how cuold I tell gcc to search headers in /usr/local/genode-gcc/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/include-fixed |
| 19:03.52 | korkman | burhan: press + |
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| 19:04.11 | korkman | and btw the help is not h but ? |
| 19:04.15 | txomon|home | you will find that p means never installed / purged |
| 19:04.15 | frikinz_ | mouse works too in aptitude |
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| 19:04.30 | frikinz_ | siri not yet |
| 19:04.41 | txomon|home | korkman, yes, I said that later |
| 19:04.49 | valeriusN | Or, must I use just "-I" switch? |
| 19:04.53 | txomon|home | burhan, why don't you sue apt-get ? |
| 19:04.59 | txomon|home | s/sue/use/ |
| 19:05.56 | frikinz_ | valeriusN: probably yes |
| 19:06.02 | burhan | txomon|home: because when I do apt-get install mercurial/backports "release backports for mercurial not found" |
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| 19:06.44 | simonlnu | try -t backports |
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| 19:07.26 | valeriusN | frikinz_: so, just use -Ir/local/genode-gcc/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/include-fixed ? -- I thought that it is written somewhere in config files of gcc... |
| 19:07.57 | burhan | simonlnu: that tells me no new version :/ |
| 19:07.58 | valeriusN | -I/usr/local/genode-gcc/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/include-fixed, I mean |
| 19:08.16 | burhan | simonlnu: "mercurial is already at the newest version" |
| 19:08.53 | frikinz_ | valeriusN: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/gccintro_21.html |
| 19:08.55 | korkman | burhan: i prefer the aptitude approach. you were almost done, only needed + |
| 19:09.07 | korkman | burhan: then g to download |
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| 19:10.58 | simonlnu | burhan: so use aptitude and do / then type mercurial . press enter, end, and select the version you want (press + ) - once that's done, you'll need to get the dep, which is mercurial-common. scroll up a bit, you'll see a red highlighted package. press ]. go on the same version for that package, and press + |
| 19:10.59 | frikinz_ | korkman: yes I prefer that too and during conflict solving it is quite handy with accept/reject per line |
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| 19:11.32 | valeriusN | frikinz_: thanks... but I've seen 'specs' file somewhere, with defaults -- I thought, I can change the defaults there... |
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| 19:11.47 | korkman | it's just that the keystrokes scare away ppl :-) all of that is available in menu btw burhan |
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| 19:12.04 | simonlnu | korkman: ;) |
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| 19:12.44 | simonlnu | i've been using aptitude for years. pretty much only thing i use; i very rarely use apt-get. |
| 19:13.04 | korkman | even when in strict cli mode i use "aptitude install" etc |
| 19:13.34 | burhan | I saved myself some headaches and removed the old version :) |
| 19:13.39 | burhan | really need to learn aptitude :/ |
| 19:13.58 | txomon|home | burhan, you should really learn apt-get |
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| 19:14.10 | Silent | Hello |
| 19:14.23 | frikinz_ | txomon|home: why apt-get rather than aptitude? |
| 19:14.25 | Silent | How well do Debian 5/6 get along with 256MB RAM? |
| 19:14.30 | korkman | burhan: don't listen to the apt-get people, it's all lies, there's only aptitude now, cli or curses |
| 19:14.40 | ruli | any 3.4 kernel in a repo? |
| 19:15.05 | burhan | txomon|home: I thought I knew it pretty well, but apparently not. |
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| 19:15.26 | burhan | I also assumed it would fetch the version from backports since its newer :/ |
| 19:15.26 | korkman | burhan: if you want to see really arcane arts, dig into apt pinning |
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| 19:15.31 | txomon|home | where can I get the mini iso for debian testing? I think it is called bussinescard or so |
| 19:15.51 | korkman | burhan: it doesn't since that would update your whole system to backports on next update |
| 19:15.57 | burhan | txomon|home: I think those are only made for releases, not testing. |
| 19:15.58 | frikinz_ | ruli: doesn't look like. I have 3.3 |
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| 19:16.05 | txomon|home | fuuu |
| 19:16.19 | burhan | korkman: what's wrong with that? :) |
| 19:16.20 | txomon|home | burhan, so how do I install debian testing? |
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| 19:16.36 | Silent | Does Deb 6 consume more RAM than Deb 5? |
| 19:16.59 | ruli | aw. i looked on kernel mailing list and didnt see any 3.4 mentions either. ubuntu has one in its precise though :/ |
| 19:17.00 | tdammers | Silent: Can't make blank statements on that. Depends on your configuration. |
| 19:17.09 | txomon|home | Silent, I suppose it is related to what you have installed |
| 19:17.14 | korkman | burhan: backports is meant to allow upgrades on specific packages and keeping an otherwise stable system. the other thing would be upgrading to testing. |
| 19:17.16 | Silent | Well I'm trying to go as little as I can |
| 19:17.36 | GNU\colossus | there is no Debian 5 - not any more. |
| 19:17.36 | Silent | What I have installed... SSH server, LAMP, FTP |
| 19:17.37 | burhan | txomon|home: try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 19:17.39 | txomon|home | korkman, ahhh that was what I wanted to know before |
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| 19:17.51 | Silent | And that's about it, hopefully. |
| 19:18.22 | Silent | Oh and Webmin. |
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| 19:18.32 | tdammers | What kind of system are you running on for this to matter? |
| 19:18.33 | juniorsa | Hi, can anyone give me a hint as to which package in squeeze would help me meet the requirement shown here http://www.adamin.com/install.php |
| 19:18.34 | Diranged | Can anyone help me with dh-shlibdeps? I'm building a package that creates a few libraries. One library in it relies on another library that it created.. but dh-shlibdeps is complaining that it cant find the 'required' library.. |
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| 19:18.53 | burhan | ermm, okay |
| 19:18.57 | Silent | I consider getting a 256MB VPS |
| 19:19.00 | txomon|home | 70 CDs !!! |
| 19:19.04 | burhan | I just installed mercurial from backports using aptitude |
| 19:19.05 | txomon|home | dafuq is that? |
| 19:19.08 | burhan | and now I don't have hg anymore. |
| 19:19.10 | Silent | And I wanna make sure it's enough before I buy it. |
| 19:19.12 | txomon|home | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:19.24 | jelly-home | txomon|home: a useless set |
| 19:19.36 | txomon|home | jelly-home, that scared me! |
| 19:19.37 | fasta | How do I start kdm? |
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| 19:20.09 | Mtl_Harmony | Hello. I've a question with RSYNC |
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| 19:20.50 | txomon|home | isn't there any mini iso or at least something rapidly downloadable (I am using a home apt mirror) |
| 19:20.56 | Silent | Either way |
| 19:20.57 | korkman | txomon|home: the businesscard image is there |
| 19:21.03 | Mtl_Harmony | I want to sync a large amount of file (an OS) |
| 19:21.10 | Silent | How can I reduce RAM usage to the very minimum? |
| 19:21.10 | txomon|home | korkman, didn't see it |
| 19:21.12 | Mtl_Harmony | with Rsync on Internet |
| 19:21.30 | korkman | txomon|home: i stand corrected, it's not available for testing. |
| 19:21.36 | korkman | txomon|home: then download cd 1 |
| 19:21.38 | Mtl_Harmony | But I want to rsync again in some times |
| 19:21.47 | Mtl_Harmony | I dont want all the files to be uploaded again |
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| 19:22.29 | Mtl_Harmony | And It's an OS so I want to keep the links etc |
| 19:22.32 | juniorsa | Should I go to the php channel for this error http://www.bca-structures.com/t.php - I thought debian was more appropriate as I like to use packages |
| 19:23.23 | korkman | Silent: install no gui desktop and that's about it. for more, you'd need to recompile kernel with less bloat. if you're misguided by ram usage in top, linux always uses unused ram as cache. |
| 19:23.34 | raptor67782 | a quick equstion. how to know whihc input is my : Bus 001 Device 006: ID ? |
| 19:23.40 | txomon|home | korkman, cd 1 is able to install all the system with no extra CDs? and is there any way to report the business card iso as a request to create it in testing branch? |
| 19:23.42 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.53 | Silent | Well re-building the kernel shouldn't be a problem. |
| 19:23.58 | txomon|home | meant bug or sth |
| 19:23.59 | burhan | *sigh* can someone, now I have broken packages. |
| 19:24.04 | frikinz_ | Silent: remove some tty in /etc/inittab, remove exim, use ramzswap |
| 19:24.05 | Silent | That can be done remotely can't it? |
| 19:24.11 | korkman | txomon|home: yes cd1 is all you need |
| 19:24.13 | burhan | mercurial : Depends: mercurial-common (= 1.6.4-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:24.16 | txomon|home | ah oki |
| 19:24.41 | burhan | I need to install mercurial from the backport repo, according to aptitude its there already (it installed mercurial-common from backports) |
| 19:24.49 | txomon|home | but, korkman is it posible to fill a bug against having a mini iso for that ? |
| 19:24.49 | fasta | dpkg -L kdm says it comes with /etc/init.d/kdm , but apt-get install --reinstall kdm doesn't install it. |
| 19:24.49 | dpkg | ii kdm says it comes with /etc/init.d/kdm , but apt-get install --reinstall kdm doesn't install it. 3.9-11 fasta's private gamp collection |
| 19:25.12 | tdammers | burhan: you could also build mercurial yourself - it's fairly straightforward |
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| 19:25.44 | fasta | botignore dpkg -L kdm says it comes with /etc/init.d/kdm , but apt-get install --reinstall kdm doesn't install it. |
| 19:25.51 | wwd | does anyone know how to create an internal write-intent bitmap at creation time of an mdadm array |
| 19:26.35 | craigevil | !tell fasta about confmiss |
| 19:26.36 | korkman | txomon|home: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ lists netinst and businesscard images as well |
| 19:26.36 | Mtl_Harmony | Is -a and --update compatible in rsync please ? |
| 19:27.12 | raptor67782 | I have nothing into /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 19:27.15 | raptor67782 | is it normal? |
| 19:27.25 | korkman | txomon|home: and daily builds the opposite: buisness and netinst only: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:27.36 | frikinz_ | raptor67782: probably better look in /sys |
| 19:27.49 | frikinz_ | raptor67782: anything in /proc/bus/usb? |
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| 19:27.56 | korkman | txomon|home: that's probably the reason they're not included in weekly, they're small enough to be built daily |
| 19:28.09 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.16 | raptor67782 | nothing either into proc bus usb |
| 19:28.25 | simonlnu | burhan: you switched to apt-get ? |
| 19:28.41 | raptor67782 | it is crazy that it s not there... where are my usb devices? gone? |
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| 19:29.08 | simonlnu | check dmesg or syslog |
| 19:29.16 | txomon|home | korkman, ty!!! |
| 19:29.20 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.32 | raptor67782 | sorry . got nothing into : cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 19:29.35 | raptor67782 | empty |
| 19:29.44 | raptor67782 | but lsusb gives some usb ... though |
| 19:29.51 | txomon|home | what is jigido or that? |
| 19:30.05 | simonlnu | !jigdo |
| 19:30.06 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
| 19:30.29 | burhan | got it sorted finally :) |
| 19:30.42 | burhan | thanks all |
| 19:30.43 | simonlnu | ok |
| 19:30.53 | burhan | need to hit the books/man page of aptitude |
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| 19:31.07 | simonlnu | cool |
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| 19:31.30 | raptor67782 | cant find seomthg understsandble into systlog /var/log/syslog and dmesg too :( |
| 19:31.59 | raptor67782 | but why I cant find anything into /proc/bus/input/devices ? |
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| 19:34.08 | g3orge | what it means when there are red letters in the application uptime in htop?? |
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| 19:34.56 | dawud | g3orge: it refers to accumulated cpu time consumed |
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| 19:36.41 | g3orge | raptor67782: dawud not the priority or nice value. the uptime. it's 2h and somehting and 2h is red. is that bad? |
| 19:37.08 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.43 | raptor67782 | (i.e. nothing) |
| 19:37.51 | dawud | g3orge: you're refering to UTIME, right? man struct_task_cputime might help understanding |
| 19:37.55 | raptor67782 | g3orge: which process is red? |
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| 19:39.30 | g3orge | raptor67782: compiz |
| 19:39.31 | raptor67782 | ok, now I knonw |
| 19:39.50 | g3orge | dawud: the collumn name is TIME+ |
| 19:39.53 | raptor67782 | I have tried on anothter pc, and it seems that HOTPLUG does not put into /dev/input/by-id my new usb devide |
| 19:39.57 | raptor67782 | device |
| 19:40.13 | raptor67782 | so there is some progress, now, how to fix this hotplug and make it detect my usb device |
| 19:41.51 | dawud | g3orge: in htop: <f2> -> columns -> Available Columns ; look for UTIME, STIME, TIME, the three values described in manpage I refered you to |
| 19:42.13 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.17 | raptor67782 | so it looks normal |
| 19:42.43 | raptor67782 | g3orge: you could for instnace paste2bin the issue of your htop |
| 19:42.46 | dawud | g3orge: so TIME is sum_exec_runtime: total time spent on the CPU |
| 19:43.05 | dawud | raptor67782: there's no issue there |
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| 19:43.28 | dawud | raptor67782: unless the box has been uptime a short period and show excessive CPU consumption |
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| 19:43.32 | dawud | shows* |
| 19:43.54 | g3orge | dawud: it's been up for about 3 days now. |
| 19:44.16 | roboman2444 | hm... you guys might be able to help me with this... |
| 19:44.37 | dawud | g3orge: compiz is a hungry process, there's nothing weird in what you see, IMHO |
| 19:45.03 | dawud | g3orge: what cpu/ram/vga are we talking about? |
| 19:45.14 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.18 | roboman2444 | http://pastebin.com/240Ftx5X it started doing this on boot recently... idk why |
| 19:45.37 | dawud | raptor67782: man hdparm |
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| 19:46.31 | g3orge | dawud: it's a Macbook pro i5 2.3GHZ 4GB RAM intel |
| 19:48.00 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.17 | dawud | g3orge: a graphic card with a powerful GPU would make your CPU handle over the heavy lifting of compiz nonsense...err graphic eyecandy |
| 19:48.32 | dawud | raptor67782: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:48.36 | roboman2444 | its odd, since it started doing it only after i did a temporary mac change for wlan0... not eth0 |
| 19:48.45 | valdyn | roboman2444: the text you pasted is very explicit plain english |
| 19:48.53 | valdyn | roboman2444: which part is not understandableß |
| 19:49.14 | roboman2444 | how do i make it not do that |
| 19:49.17 | roboman2444 | i use wlan0 only |
| 19:49.20 | g3orge | dawud: you mean a low power GPU would load the CPU |
| 19:49.27 | roboman2444 | and it started doing that recently at boot |
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| 19:49.38 | dawud | g3orge: yes |
| 19:49.57 | dawud | g3orge: somebody has to do all that funny stuff compiz does |
| 19:49.58 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.03 | valdyn | roboman2444: read "man interfaces" |
| 19:50.14 | g3orge | dawud: yeah my GPU is not that strong. |
| 19:50.17 | raptor67782 | ( I have selected "none" for second step) |
| 19:50.23 | roboman2444 | hm |
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| 19:50.32 | roboman2444 | but any reason why it would start doign this all ofn a sudden? |
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| 19:50.54 | valdyn | roboman2444: because you changed something that did this |
| 19:50.59 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 19:51.07 | valdyn | roboman2444: it is quite pointless to figure out what exactly that was |
| 19:51.20 | dawud | roboman2444: that log just says eth0 is looking for a DHCP lease and doesn't find it, how can we know? |
| 19:51.25 | roboman2444 | # The primary network interface |
| 19:51.26 | roboman2444 | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 19:51.26 | roboman2444 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:51.36 | roboman2444 | thats all that my interfaces file has with anything eth0 in it |
| 19:51.56 | dawud | roboman2444: does your LAN provide DHCP server somewhere? |
| 19:52.04 | valdyn | dawud: he has no lan |
| 19:52.12 | dawud | roboman2444: ouch... |
| 19:52.15 | valdyn | roboman2444: put a "#" in front of those 2 lines |
| 19:52.20 | valdyn | dawud: just wlan |
| 19:52.30 | roboman2444 | i have lan, but i dont use it really |
| 19:52.34 | roboman2444 | alright, ill try |
| 19:53.13 | roboman2444 | algith, thabks |
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| 19:53.33 | roboman2444 | now it doesnt do that when i /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:53.43 | valdyn | roboman2444: alright then |
| 19:54.03 | roboman2444 | now... i have a different problem |
| 19:54.09 | roboman2444 | a different compy i have does this... |
| 19:54.17 | roboman2444 | comreset error = -16 |
| 19:55.15 | valdyn | roboman2444: are you using debian? |
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| 19:55.24 | roboman2444 | yes, for that box |
| 19:55.39 | roboman2444 | i think the sata controller is messed |
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| 19:56.18 | valdyn | roboman2444: did you just upgrade your kernel? |
| 19:56.29 | roboman2444 | no, its a new motherboard |
| 19:56.34 | roboman2444 | it does it on all kernels |
| 19:56.40 | roboman2444 | 3.1, 3.2, and 2.6 |
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| 19:56.42 | valdyn | roboman2444: fix the cable |
| 19:56.54 | valdyn | roboman2444: or at least check that cables are ok |
| 19:57.01 | roboman2444 | they are, its the motherboard |
| 19:57.10 | roboman2444 | it works on 2 other motherboards |
| 19:57.31 | jelly-home | roboman2444: there's 3.3 and 3.4 to try, then |
| 19:57.36 | roboman2444 | heh |
| 19:57.42 | roboman2444 | thats not in testing |
| 19:57.46 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 19:57.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:58.00 | jelly-home | well there's 3.3 in exp. |
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| 19:58.16 | roboman2444 | i might just compile 3.4 myself eventually |
| 19:58.30 | jelly-home | and 3.2.18 in unstable's going to slip to testing any week now |
| 19:58.47 | dvs | and 3.3 won't make it to wheezy |
| 19:59.15 | roboman2444 | and another problem i have... |
| 19:59.17 | jelly-home | that's fine |
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| 19:59.21 | roboman2444 | synaptics-touchpad |
| 19:59.25 | roboman2444 | how do i get rid of it? |
| 19:59.52 | roboman2444 | evdev works so much better for my laptop |
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| 20:01.57 | klys | goodness Pandora advertising alcohol. |
| 20:02.15 | tharkun | Gentlemen i fubar and i told a machine to upgrade stuff via aptitude. I killed the download process and all is stable now. How do i tell aptitude to forget about downloading and installing those programs? |
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| 20:02.47 | korkman | tharkun: it has an option in menu to forget about unfinished operations |
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| 20:02.53 | ikla | is the lsi 9265 supported by deb 6.0.5? |
| 20:02.56 | roboman2444 | tharkun, its usually better to use apt in that case |
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| 20:03.18 | Zyf_Lappy | obably not for scans |
| 20:03.26 | tharkun | korkman: thanks that did the trickc |
| 20:03.35 | superdmp | if sudo umount /mnt/bessel fails because the device is busy, how come lsof +f -- /mnt/bessel doesn't list any open files? |
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| 20:04.34 | tharkun | roboman2444: I'm usually very carefull not to do this kind of stupid mistakes, but i am unsure what is the difference between aptitude from cli and apt-get |
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| 20:05.13 | korkman | (i think aptitude just supercedes apt-get for all tasks nowadays) |
| 20:05.15 | roboman2444 | for a simple upgrading, apt-get is usually a bit easier and faster |
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| 20:05.20 | thewanderer1 | uh, I tried sending a mail in Evolution. it was going OK, then I switched to another workspace, then back to Evolution, the mail is still in the queue but there is no visible mark nor log of a send attempt... |
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| 20:05.29 | thewanderer1 | anyone seen symptoms like that? |
| 20:05.41 | thewanderer1 | (okay, the mail is heavy-ish) |
| 20:05.51 | ikla | is the lsi 9265 supported by deb 6.0.5? |
| 20:06.29 | tharkun | thewanderer1: how heavish is the mail :) ? |
| 20:06.31 | korkman | roboman2444: as in aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? the aptitude CLI is on par with apt-get |
| 20:06.45 | roboman2444 | ah |
| 20:06.59 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: 50MB |
| 20:07.19 | thewanderer1 | I am observing the progress bar, it's near 50% now |
| 20:07.22 | tharkun | thewanderer1: My mail server will not accept it due to size. |
| 20:07.33 | dawud | superdmp: what's your PWD? is it an NFS mount? |
| 20:07.35 | thewanderer1 | what bothers me, it fails to send it without any clue why and I have to guess |
| 20:07.39 | tharkun | use a fileshare service. Don't abusee your mail server |
| 20:08.02 | superdmp | dawud: i don't believe it is |
| 20:08.08 | ompaul | thewanderer1: is it still in draft / outbox? |
| 20:08.32 | dawud | superdmp: you don't believe? go check it! :) |
| 20:08.34 | ompaul | thewanderer1: are you running your own mail server? |
| 20:08.47 | superdmp | dawud: well, how do I find out? |
| 20:09.01 | superdmp | it's my home directory |
| 20:09.05 | dawud | superdmp: mount output should tell you |
| 20:09.10 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: yeah, but I'd be damned if I have to check the logs on the server to know why Evolution didn't send something |
| 20:09.17 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: yes to both |
| 20:09.27 | dawud | superdmp: you want to umount your $HOME while logged in? |
| 20:09.36 | ompaul | thewanderer1: check the logs this time, if it is a size error file a bug? |
| 20:10.03 | superdmp | dawud: no, i want to unmount something else; I am in my home directory |
| 20:10.05 | ompaul | thewanderer1: care to stay on the window for a test, but seriously looks like file a bug one way or the other |
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| 20:10.35 | dawud | superdmp: ok. how is tht something listed in your fstab? |
| 20:11.24 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: mail server says: disconnect from my IP. nothing else. |
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| 20:11.38 | dawud | superdmp: ...or 'mount | grep bessel' |
| 20:11.44 | superdmp | dawud: the one I want to unmount is not listed in /etc/fstab |
| 20:11.49 | dawud | superdmp: ...or 'mount | grep bessel' |
| 20:11.59 | superdmp | it is however a filesystem of its own that I was previously chrooted into |
| 20:12.06 | ompaul | thewanderer1: if it was size it would be in there (at least with postfix and I imagine any half decent mail server), try it again and leave that window in focus |
| 20:12.24 | dawud | superdmp: what does 'mount | grep bessel' output? |
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| 20:12.31 | superdmp | dawud: output is /dev/mapper/rootvg-besselrootlv on /mnt/bessel type ext3 (rw) |
| 20:12.33 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: it was in focus. the modal window with the bar just disappeared. |
| 20:12.47 | dawud | superdmp: now we're talking :) |
| 20:12.49 | superdmp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.50 | ompaul | thewanderer1: ooch leakies |
| 20:13.02 | tharkun | thewanderer1: be a man use mutt ;P |
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| 20:13.38 | ompaul | superdmp: paste in http://paste.debian.org the result of mount and of the umount /mnt/bessel command |
| 20:13.52 | ompaul | superdmp: mount << is a command on it's own |
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| 20:13.59 | superdmp | yes |
| 20:14.14 | tharkun | anyway there must be something on either machine. Check syslog for a clue. I suspect you reached either a limit on your mua or a bug on your mta |
| 20:14.33 | ompaul | superdmp: and you might consider that I typoed and that should be http://paste.debian.nety |
| 20:14.36 | ompaul | superdmp: and you might consider that I typoed and that should be http://paste.debian.net even |
| 20:14.39 | superdmp | ompaul: http://dpaste.com/751604/ |
| 20:14.41 | superdmp | oh well |
| 20:14.51 | superdmp | I assumed it was having a lie-down |
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| 20:14.54 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: frankly, it'd be strange that the mail server stops after 100% of the message... so I blame Evolution |
| 20:15.10 | SmashingX|2 | Do you guys know what command was ran here http://pastebin.com/d8T9fWHW |
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| 20:15.41 | tharkun | thewanderer1: I also think evolution has the bug. But it certainly would be nice to confirm it by ruling out the MTA |
| 20:15.57 | raptor67782 | can I `cat` to check the event on my input at :/sys/bus/usb/devices# cat 1-1.4.2 ? |
| 20:16.02 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: which I don't know how to do... |
| 20:16.03 | ompaul | superdmp: so it is a case of you or someone having a shell or program using /mnt/bessel when that process is stopped you can umount /mnt/bessel |
| 20:16.21 | tharkun | thewanderer1: postfix or exim? |
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| 20:16.28 | dawud | ompaul: he used it to set a chroot |
| 20:16.41 | dawud | ompaul: I mean, the mount point |
| 20:16.55 | superdmp | basically I was following the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 20:17.50 | dawud | superdmp: does fuser /mnt/bessel outputs something? |
| 20:17.57 | dawud | output* |
| 20:18.01 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.13 | superdmp | dawud: nothing |
| 20:18.28 | dawud | superdmp: can you still chroot into it again? |
| 20:18.33 | raptor67782 | it told me that there is : DEVICE=/proc/bus/usb/001/009 but the bus/usb/001/009 is not there ... maybe hotplug |
| 20:18.37 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: postfix |
| 20:19.11 | superdmp | basically what I have done: mounted a filesystem, used debootstrap to install into it, followed steps at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en (I failed at the grub bootloader section), exited, and then failed to unmount |
| 20:19.20 | tharkun | thewanderer1: Blame the MUA I've raised the size limit of postfix on several ocasions way above that and it hasn't failed |
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| 20:19.32 | superdmp | dawud: yes, with sudo LANG=C chroot /mnt/bessel/ /bin/bash |
| 20:19.54 | tpo | is there an automatic way to restart services affected by security updates of their dependencies? Example: if libssl gets updated -> restart exim4 |
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| 20:20.07 | tharkun | thewanderer1: There is a full array of MUAs on the office so i can confidently tell you that. |
| 20:20.30 | thewanderer1 | huh, I wonder if any MUA has sane error reporting |
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| 20:20.45 | tharkun | The only one i know is mutt |
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| 20:21.10 | abrotman | tharkun: what's the message in teh postfix logs ? |
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| 20:21.31 | Ryccardo | hey, just wanted to announce there's a typo in the "kill" (1) manpage |
| 20:21.35 | tharkun | abrotman: ?? |
| 20:21.46 | abrotman | tharkun: !! |
| 20:22.02 | jelly-home | Ryccardo: have you sent a bug report with a patch yet?!?!?! |
| 20:22.06 | abrotman | jumpsin .. misreads .. |
| 20:22.26 | tragasmegma | feces |
| 20:22.27 | tragasmegma | shit |
| 20:22.28 | tragasmegma | poop |
| 20:22.29 | tragasmegma | poopoo |
| 20:22.31 | tragasmegma | crap |
| 20:22.36 | Ryccardo | jelly-home: nope, not on Debian atm and they recommend to always use `reportbug` |
| 20:22.51 | rysiek|pl | wow, this was an informed and interesting debate |
| 20:22.55 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: it was "disconnect from $my_home_ip" |
| 20:22.57 | abrotman | brilliant |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | not you |
| 20:23.15 | tpo | Ryccardo, by reporting the bug you can get it fixed |
| 20:23.20 | jelly-home | Ryccardo: sure, however recommend != must |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | and including a patch |
| 20:23.41 | jelly-home | any ole mail client can do in a pinch |
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| 20:23.48 | tharkun | thewanderer1: What version of postfix? |
| 20:24.02 | Ryccardo | "patch"… it's a single letter incorrectly in uppercase :) |
| 20:24.18 | Ryccardo | will try though, thanks for the tips |
| 20:24.31 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: 2.7.1-1 |
| 20:25.01 | abrotman | tharkun: i thnik i got you and thewanderer1 crossed :) |
| 20:25.18 | SmashingX | Do you guys know what command was ran here http://pastebin.com/d8T9fWHW |
| 20:25.21 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.31 | thewanderer1 | frowns as he imagines himself crossed... |
| 20:25.34 | tpo | Ryccardo, if you have problems reporting the bug, come back and we might help |
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| 20:25.51 | Ryccardo | well, what's the current version of `kill`? |
| 20:26.03 | tharkun | thewanderer1: current is 2.9 but I don't recall any bugs on 2.7 regarding this version |
| 20:26.04 | jelly-home | judd: find bin/kill |
| 20:26.21 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/kill |
| 20:26.25 | judd | Search for bin/kill in squeeze/i386: procps: bin/kill; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/kill |
| 20:26.30 | jelly-home | ,versions procps |
| 20:26.31 | judd | Package: procps on i386 -- lenny: 1:3.2.7-11; squeeze: 1:3.2.8-9squeeze1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-3; sid: 1:3.3.3-1 |
| 20:26.31 | superdmp | dawud: if I try to sudo rm -rf /mnt/bessel, that will show me which files are still in use |
| 20:26.50 | jelly-home | Ryccardo: you'll want to file a bug on the procps package, then |
| 20:26.51 | superdmp | I can do that because I am only using it to learn how to install, so I can sacrifice it |
| 20:26.51 | Ryccardo | thanks :) |
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| 20:27.13 | tharkun | thewanderer1: postconf mailbox_size_limit on your server? |
| 20:27.26 | tpo | Ryccardo, or if you need to do it yourself: $ which kill -> /bin/kill |
| 20:27.41 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: 0 |
| 20:27.45 | jelly-home | tpo: itym message_size |
| 20:27.52 | jelly-home | meh. |
| 20:27.57 | jelly-home | tharkun: itym message_size |
| 20:27.57 | tpo | Ryccardo, dpkg -S /bin/kill -> procps |
| 20:28.01 | tharkun | thewanderer1: blame the MUA |
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| 20:28.21 | tpo | Ryccardo, http://packages.debian.org/procps |
| 20:28.25 | jelly-home | message_size_limit, that is |
| 20:28.34 | tharkun | thewanderer1: ahem it is postconf message_size |
| 20:28.39 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: 50000000 is the max message size... I am not sure how base64 inflates the attachment |
| 20:28.41 | jelly-home | sorry |
| 20:28.51 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: by 8/6 = 33% |
| 20:28.54 | tharkun | hands jelly-home some coffee |
| 20:28.57 | raptor67782 | do you think that I can cat a file of teh /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-1.4.2:1.3# to check the EVENTS? |
| 20:29.17 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, jelly-home: so I'm hitting the message size, but why no indication is present, I don't know |
| 20:29.31 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: read the mail.log |
| 20:29.46 | dawud | superdmp: brutal, but true :) |
| 20:29.53 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I have :P |
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| 20:30.18 | jelly-home | enable debugging for client 127.0.0.1, then, send again, read some more |
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| 20:31.14 | pmo_ | what sort of tool is used to setup keyboard/console on debian squeeze ? |
| 20:31.39 | jelly-home | !keymap |
| 20:31.39 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 20:31.40 | raptor67782 | under x11: xsetkeybmap sthg |
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| 20:31.55 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: ok, here is what I see: connect, message is OK and queued, then the message is removed from the queue (WTF?) and disconnect |
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| 20:32.21 | tharkun | thewanderer1: feel free to paste some logs on a pastebin |
| 20:32.22 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: pastebin your log and "postconf -n" |
| 20:33.15 | pmo_ | thanks jelly-home i gonna look further |
| 20:33.21 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: preferably limit the log to all the relevant lines for a single message exhibiting the problem |
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| 20:34.52 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: got it, sanitizing... |
| 20:35.05 | jelly-home | please do not munge. |
| 20:35.38 | pmo_ | jelly-home, in fact, the curious thing, is that i have Ctrl on rigth side, working, and not the one on the left.. (console and X), otherwise, everything look fine, sounds odd to me |
| 20:35.41 | jelly-home | does not read munged MTA logs for free |
| 20:37.07 | tpo | pmo_, but you are sure the CTRL key per se is working. I.e. it's not a piece of bread under the key... ? |
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| 20:37.16 | tharkun | thewanderer1: please be consistent if you actually absolutely need to munge |
| 20:37.32 | tharkun | remember we all know where you live and what you did last night |
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| 20:37.46 | pmo_ | tpo no .. not a piece of bread :) |
| 20:38.11 | SmashingX | Do you guys know what command was ran here http://pastebin.com/d8T9fWHW |
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| 20:39.20 | jelly-home | SmashingX: lsof |
| 20:39.32 | SmashingX | jelly-home: thanks |
| 20:39.37 | jelly-home | or maybe not |
| 20:39.43 | jelly-home | something similar |
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| 20:40.07 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2ff75316/ -- I have replaced mail domains with HAHAHA, the rest is untouched |
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| 20:40.54 | SmashingX | jelly-home: thanks I think it was |
| 20:41.00 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: qmail on relay=mx.wp.pl[212.77.101.4]:25 accepted your message. |
| 20:41.35 | jelly-home | inspect the logs there, if it's under your control |
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| 20:41.39 | tharkun | t |
| 20:41.40 | thewanderer1 | haha, hell no |
| 20:41.41 | tharkun | atus=sent (250 ok |
| 20:41.42 | tpo | pmo_, there should be a way to display the key-codes when you press a key |
| 20:42.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: nothing more to do at your end |
| 20:42.21 | tpo | pmo_, maybe that'd be a way forward to find out what's happening - i.e. maybe for some reason your CTRL-key is "weird" |
| 20:42.37 | tharkun | thewanderer1: and you are a spammer with 50 MB mails huhuhuhu |
| 20:43.09 | tpo | pmo_, or you could try changing your keyboard setup to something "normal" (i.e. US) in case you haven't done so yet and see whether the CTRL-key works there... |
| 20:43.18 | jelly-home | tharkun: size=1214 dude |
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| 20:43.31 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, tharkun: oh wait, that might have been a working mail... warning: 80C3E1D4255: queue file size limit exceeded -- this is a different mail |
| 20:44.05 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you already have the answer there as well, it seems |
| 20:44.07 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, tharkun: that is also the last log entry with that message ID |
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| 20:44.37 | thewanderer1 | but how does it stay in Evolution's queue? |
| 20:44.58 | jelly-home | why would it not stay? MUA failed to send it and it's going to try again |
| 20:45.37 | pmo_ | tpo, Ctrl key on the left side, gives nothing from xev.. but there is this odd/menu windows keys, i choosed a 105 keyboard, maybe i should looke for a 106 or something closer to the sort of keyboard i have, i am looking forward to find a equivalent |
| 20:45.45 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: why are you not using thunderbird, anyway |
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| 20:46.37 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: eh, I don't know - Evolution was there and it stuck to me |
| 20:46.53 | mah454 | I install XEN in debian and use virt-manager for create new domain . but receive this error : http://pastebin.com/QaXXtDfs |
| 20:47.04 | mah454 | Debian wheezy (64bit) |
| 20:47.33 | tharkun | !msg dpkg thunderbird |
| 20:47.54 | ksk | mah454: for nonstable you better go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 20:48.05 | ksk | !tell mah454 about #debian-next |
| 20:48.14 | tpo | pmo_, do you know on what layer xev is reading its key code? Just possibly it could be the layer below (the kernel keyboard driver) that "has a problem" and so xev is not seeing anything |
| 20:48.16 | ksk | arr :/ |
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| 20:48.37 | mah454 | ksk ; ok |
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| 20:49.17 | pmo_ | tpo it surely is the leayer below xev, since i have the same issue on console |
| 20:50.15 | superdmp | what is a read-only filesystem, or rather, what makes a filesystem read-only? |
| 20:50.36 | tharkun | thewanderer1: extrapolating your problem. do a mailq on your mailserver. you might have quite a few copies of the mail you sent still on queue waiting to be delivered |
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| 20:51.32 | superdmp | i think this is a filesystem that has *become* read-only |
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| 20:53.31 | raptor67782 | mess with kernel, so I miss one .ko file into my kernel |
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| 20:53.45 | tharkun | jelly-home: Do you know the guy that needs to be bug to have postfix-sqlite on wheezy? |
| 20:53.49 | raptor67782 | can I use a .ko file found on another pc with my running kernel? /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/input/misc/ |
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| 20:54.22 | jelly-home | tharkun: huh? |
| 20:54.26 | raptor67782 | to brutally copy the *.ko fiel into my newer pc /lib/modules/2.6.36/ .... ? |
| 20:54.41 | tharkun | ,versions postfix-sqlite |
| 20:54.42 | judd | No package named 'postfix-sqlite' was found in i386. |
| 20:54.43 | dvs | raptor67782: No |
| 20:55.03 | glitch31415_ | math |
| 20:55.31 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: nah, just postfix I think... and this one is, err, SQL I think? :P |
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| 20:55.44 | raptor67782 | dvs: I must recompile obligatory my kernel? |
| 20:55.44 | thewanderer1 | mysql maybe, but that wouldn't matter |
| 20:55.58 | dvs | raptor67782: yes |
| 20:56.12 | raptor67782 | dvs: really... pffff ... thats terribel |
| 20:56.17 | jelly-home | tharkun: if upstream supports a sqlite map, just look at and possibly file a bug on src:postfix |
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| 20:56.27 | jelly-home | tharkun: patches welcome etc etc |
| 20:56.31 | dvs | raptor67782: modules store the version number |
| 20:56.41 | raptor67782 | I cannot do like in windows, to copy a DLL into the /windows folder and here we go , it works |
| 20:56.51 | jelly-home | ,versions postfix-mysql |
| 20:56.52 | judd | Package: postfix-mysql on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.1-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2.9.1-5; wheezy: 2.9.1-5 |
| 20:56.54 | raptor67782 | to recompile the whoole kernel just for a driver come on |
| 20:56.58 | raptor67782 | linuxis not flexible |
| 20:57.00 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that one's present |
| 20:57.07 | raptor67782 | :( |
| 20:57.31 | tharkun | jelly-home: Any url for the standard diff file debian devels use? |
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| 20:58.04 | dvs | raptor67782: If it's a module that comes with the kernel, yes. |
| 20:58.08 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: and it's not in the mail queue, it got dropped it seems :P |
| 20:58.17 | jelly-home | tharkun: url? A unified diff of two source trees would probably be fine |
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| 20:58.40 | tharkun | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 20:58.41 | mah454 | I install XEN in debian and use virt-manager for create new domain . but receive this error : http://pastebin.com/QaXXtDfs |
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| 20:58.50 | tharkun | thewanderer1: you 50MB spammer ;P |
| 20:59.04 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: not my fault I needed to transmit some PDFs... |
| 20:59.16 | jelly-home | mah454: you don't have to repeat that often. Have you checked bugs.debian.org for virt-manager bug reports? |
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| 20:59.31 | dvs | thewanderer1: elaborate spam! |
| 20:59.35 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: use a file sharing service. |
| 20:59.44 | jelly-home | and send download URLs |
| 20:59.46 | mah454 | jelly-home, sorry !!!! |
| 20:59.47 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I did. it's called apache2-mpm-itk. |
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| 20:59.58 | jelly-home | problem solved |
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| 21:00.08 | jelly-home | !next |
| 21:00.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 21:00.11 | thewanderer1 | hehe |
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| 21:00.29 | tharkun | !lolipop |
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| 21:00.41 | jelly-home | no loli for you, perv |
| 21:00.53 | Ryccardo | :w |
| 21:01.10 | raptor67782 | dvs: normally lsmod shall like it ... so it is a module right? |
| 21:01.28 | raptor67782 | I thought that I could find a driver tar.gz and compile only this thing on the top of the kernel |
| 21:01.29 | dvs | raptor67782: "shall like it"? |
| 21:01.31 | Ryccardo | well, bug filed. I still haven't got any mail back nor it's on the website, but I'll allow for some time :) |
| 21:01.54 | jelly-home | Ryccardo: give it a day or so |
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| 21:02.01 | dvs | raptor67782: Yeah, you can do that because it doesn't come with the kernel. |
| 21:02.09 | raptor67782 | visibgly there is not this driver file into the /lib/modules/2.6... stuffs , so it doenst look taht bad |
| 21:02.16 | raptor67782 | it looks simply a little module |
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| 21:02.33 | raptor67782 | dvs: uff uff so great !! merci |
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| 21:03.03 | jelly-home | Ryccardo: the automated response happens soon to a couple hours; a maintainer might take their sweet time (minutes to... never) |
| 21:03.07 | dvs | np |
| 21:03.36 | raptor67782 | do you know if I can monitor the keypress of a keyboard only by watching what is going on into /sys/ .... ? |
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| 21:15.17 | jelly-home | raptor67782: /dev/input/ is probably what you're looking for |
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| 21:21.17 | zophy | how can i create a M$ word document with linux that work perfectly with M$ Word ? |
| 21:21.37 | Sm0ke0ut | probably not. your best shot is openoffice |
| 21:21.37 | dizzylizzy | zophy, libreoffice can export to Word |
| 21:21.39 | tpo | superdmp, a filesystem becomes readonly if the kernel thinks it broke (f.ex. due to the disc failing...) |
| 21:21.40 | zophy | simple text |
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| 21:21.56 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: well, it looks like my hotplugs arent so happy, I could anyhow fetch it into /sys, no ? if nothing appear into /dev/input ? |
| 21:22.10 | superdmp | tpo: yes, that's what google said. so I got scared and stopped reading…. |
| 21:22.16 | raptor67782 | zophy: forget MS workd wiht linux |
| 21:22.21 | dizzylizzy | is it a good or bad idea do you think to add the public keys (untrusted of course) of people whose messages I read on the debian mailing lists? |
| 21:22.30 | jelly-home | raptor67782: I'd say "fix or write device drivers" |
| 21:22.30 | raptor67782 | zophy: I may advice you WINE + msoffice 98 |
| 21:22.33 | tpo | superdmp, issue 'dmesg' and you should see how the kernel is currently feeling |
| 21:22.37 | superdmp | tpo: we had some odd issues with this machine in the past |
| 21:22.44 | streuner | raptor67782: evil |
| 21:22.44 | Ryccardo | dizzylizzy: never a bad thing |
| 21:22.47 | raptor67782 | zophy: this is the only way to have something working ... it is crap ... I know |
| 21:22.57 | zophy | raptor67782, i just need a .doc for my resume |
| 21:22.58 | streuner | its crap |
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| 21:23.03 | superdmp | tpo: well, there is a lot of [8215222.929609] physdev match: using --physdev-out in the OUTPUT, FORWARD and POSTROUTING chains for non-bridged traffic is not supported anymore. in there |
| 21:23.09 | tpo | superdmp, if there's lot of stuff in the log then you should be also able to see /var/log/kern.log ... unless of course the FS is readonly |
| 21:23.22 | jelly-home | raptor67782: or go libusb and /sys/bus/usb/devices, userspace route |
| 21:23.33 | zophy | oh wait, i have windows on this laptop |
| 21:23.38 | streuner | using wine is always a PITA, IMO |
| 21:23.38 | tpo | superdmp, that's some iptables stuff I'm guessing |
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| 21:23.51 | trysten | hi #debian! |
| 21:23.52 | raptor67782 | zophy: wiht office 98 wine get fine |
| 21:23.55 | jelly-home | raptor67782: sorry, /dev/bus/usb/ |
| 21:23.57 | zophy | screw linux if i can get win7 to boote |
| 21:24.05 | ivo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.06 | raptor67782 | zophy: if you do wine and 2000 office it will not work |
| 21:24.09 | ivo_ | wtf??? |
| 21:24.11 | pool | screw win7 with win8 coming out |
| 21:24.12 | trysten | i'm trying to mount a disk image like this: # mount ~/image.img /mnt/img -o loop |
| 21:24.13 | tpo | superdmp, probably shouldn't have to do anything with the FS problem |
| 21:24.23 | trysten | and it says you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:24.29 | ivo_ | If you want MS Office use windows |
| 21:24.29 | raptor67782 | ivo_: office 98 works with all debian versions |
| 21:24.30 | zophy | what about wine9? |
| 21:24.34 | trysten | but.. it's the image of an entire disk, so what type do i use? |
| 21:24.37 | pool | youre livin in the past man |
| 21:24.39 | raptor67782 | office 2000 does not work with all debian versions |
| 21:24.43 | trysten | auto does not work. |
| 21:24.44 | ivo_ | why would one use office 98 |
| 21:24.50 | raptor67782 | (stable , kinda old wine ... ultra outdated) |
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| 21:25.11 | raptor67782 | ivo_: because debian stable has ultra old wine |
| 21:25.23 | zophy | i don't trust people to handle a text document |
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| 21:25.30 | streuner | who cares about wine... |
| 21:25.32 | raptor67782 | ivo_: and reg office 200 is not well handle in old wine |
| 21:25.33 | zophy | gotta be doc |
| 21:25.41 | superdmp | tpo: no, but earlier (I don't know how much earlier) some remarks about EXT3-fs issues, ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 1065152, tat sort of thing |
| 21:25.42 | ivo_ | run VM with windows 7 |
| 21:25.46 | ivo_ | and run office 2010 |
| 21:25.49 | glitch31415 | use google docs and export, DONE |
| 21:25.53 | raptor67782 | abiword ... openoffice , ... he will never get 100 percent compabitlibly |
| 21:26.00 | ivo_ | much easier |
| 21:26.06 | tharkun | Is there any type of support for polar heart monitors on debian? |
| 21:26.26 | raptor67782 | glitch31415: not 100 percent compatible :( I tried all those .... not perfect |
| 21:26.33 | zophy | tharkun, do you need medical attention ? |
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| 21:26.45 | tpo | superdmp, yes, that's a sign of something not being OK on the FS |
| 21:26.51 | raptor67782 | tharkun: I tried too. I might be possible... I remember that it depends on the models |
| 21:26.57 | raptor67782 | tharkun: thre is a driver |
| 21:26.59 | ivo_ | the goal of those is not 100% compatibility |
| 21:27.04 | glitch31415 | raptor67782: if you want 100% then you want Microsoft OFfice... otherwise please itemize what you need that isn't working (EXACTLY) |
| 21:27.06 | ivo_ | use windows in VM |
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| 21:27.15 | ivo_ | and run the new office |
| 21:27.19 | raptor67782 | tharkun: for the most expensive polar, you will be out of luck ... no driver available . i brought it back |
| 21:27.26 | zophy | there are peebles of water falling from my sky |
| 21:27.30 | tpo | superdmp, normally the FS will scream into the log -> i.e. it will say remounting FS so and so readonly because of this and that |
| 21:27.31 | zophy | pebbles |
| 21:27.33 | zophy | heh |
| 21:27.45 | tpo | superdmp, so you /should/ be able to find more info |
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| 21:28.00 | ivo_ | I even run VS2010 in a VM |
| 21:28.07 | raptor67782 | glitch31415: fonts issues and formating out of order . was for a huge doc / docs ... for phd |
| 21:28.08 | superdmp | tpo: I am going to leave it for someone who knows what they are doing, but this definitely looks like an issue we need to deal with |
| 21:28.08 | ivo_ | and everything is fine |
| 21:28.47 | tpo | superdmp, and if it's the disk failing, then checkout smartmontools |
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| 21:28.55 | superdmp | tpo: thanks |
| 21:29.08 | MrKeuner | hello, I'd like to install debian using a usb stick, what is the easiest way? |
| 21:29.09 | zophy | there are numerous pebbles of water falling from my sky |
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| 21:29.22 | Mtl_Harmony | Try Unetbooting MrKeuner |
| 21:29.22 | tpo | superdmp, if you've got a disk that is failing then make sure you get to rescue it fast |
| 21:29.36 | superdmp | tpo: yeah we know |
| 21:29.53 | MrKeuner | Mtl_Harmony, use a debian cd image + unetbooting right? |
| 21:29.53 | tpo | superdmp, :-) ... good luck! |
| 21:29.55 | glitch31415 | raptor67782: native office is your only answer.. you could do hosted Office online.. you could join the evil hotmail world and use online word creation... but nobody here including me likes that idea I'm guessing, but it would accomplish your goal |
| 21:30.14 | Mtl_Harmony | MrKeuner Yes or just Unetbootin because it can download image for you |
| 21:30.17 | superdmp | tpo: thaks, we've got new disks and backups |
| 21:30.24 | craigevil | MrKeuner, read the install guide, unetbooting sucks |
| 21:30.31 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.45 | Mtl_Harmony | craigevil lawl why ? It just works like a charm |
| 21:31.07 | craigevil | Mtl_Harmony, then you were lucky |
| 21:31.10 | raptor67782 | glitch31415: I neveer tried but too slow if you have lot of data (large pics for hgih resolution print) |
| 21:31.30 | Mtl_Harmony | craigevil Always used that since I use Linux =P |
| 21:31.35 | Mtl_Harmony | Always a success ^^ |
| 21:31.41 | raptor67782 | glitch31415: out of luck if you do publishin (profess.) |
| 21:32.05 | glitch31415 | raptor67782: then you question is still answered.. you have to go native :( |
| 21:32.07 | craigevil | !tell MrKeuner about usb install |
| 21:32.13 | tharkun | raptor67782: I have the ir dingy that is connected to the usb any google search term you can muster I haven't got any luck so far |
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| 21:32.41 | raptor67782 | glitch31415: it is always tricky... lot of trying first to find an optimum solution ... nothing is really perfect |
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| 21:34.18 | raptor67782 | could we get keyevent one day into our distro? |
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| 21:35.20 | glitch31415 | raptor67782: please see your original request of "works perfectly".. you are contradicting your own request :( |
| 21:36.13 | bwulf | I used iptables-save but the rules did not load after a reboot. What am I missing ? |
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| 21:41.37 | dokma | I get no eth0 with ifconfig but I get ifup: interface eth0 already configured on ifup eth0 |
| 21:41.44 | dokma | any idea how to hack this? |
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| 21:42.42 | thewanderer1 | dokma: ifdown eth0 ? |
| 21:43.09 | dokma | thewanderer1: silent... no errors |
| 21:43.10 | craigevil | hack it with a big axe that will teach it |
| 21:43.18 | jelly-home | dokma: and now back ifup |
| 21:43.18 | thewanderer1 | dokma: now, ifup! :P |
| 21:43.19 | dokma | and after that ifup eth0 again silent |
| 21:43.27 | jelly-home | dokma: exit status? |
| 21:43.31 | thewanderer1 | maybe it just worked? |
| 21:43.36 | dokma | and nothing in ifconfig |
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| 21:43.50 | dokma | jelly-home: how do I read exit status? |
| 21:44.06 | dokma | ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 21:44.06 | jelly-home | echo $?, immediately after running a command |
| 21:44.09 | jelly-home | (not later) |
| 21:44.11 | dokma | network unreachable |
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| 21:44.46 | MrKeuner | Mtl_Harmony, craigevil, thank you |
| 21:44.51 | dokma | jelly-home: 0 for both ifup and down |
| 21:45.11 | jelly-home | so, they thought they were successful |
| 21:45.11 | dokma | jelly-home: and ifconfig |
| 21:45.16 | dokma | exactly |
| 21:45.34 | dokma | forgot to mention this is VirtualBox VM with Debian |
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| 21:45.56 | dokma | that had network access before |
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| 21:47.50 | jelly-home | dokma: which debian? pastebin your interfaces file, and output of "ifconfig -a" and "route -n" after ifup |
| 21:48.32 | Zertrin | Hi! |
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| 21:48.41 | dokma | 6.0.3 |
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| 21:49.03 | Zertrin | I've got a problem with my current configuration of ALSA and an little USB card: even when the volume is set at the lowest (0%) the gain set for PCM playback is waaay too high (10 dB), at 100% it reaches 63 dB !! |
| 21:49.09 | dokma | my interfaces has only this: auto eth0 |
| 21:49.09 | Zertrin | I've crawled the internet in hope for the same problem or clues on how to set the gain at a more reasonable level, without success until now. |
| 21:49.15 | dokma | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:49.22 | dokma | along with lo loopback |
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| 21:49.46 | Zertrin | Here is the output of the alsa-info script : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=45f77f95ca8d10afb7330966c1d9f00b283357a3 |
| 21:49.54 | Zertrin | And here the question I asked on superuser one week ago, without any response for now, but where I explain the context : http://superuser.com/questions/424982/volume-gain-too-high-with-alsa-under-debian-for-an-usb-sound-card |
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| 21:50.25 | dokma | jelly-home: interesting! ifconfig -a shows eth0 |
| 21:50.32 | dokma | just ifconfig does not |
| 21:50.34 | raptor67782 | Zertrin: sounds strange |
| 21:50.38 | jelly-home | dokma: oh, you're using dhcp. Fix your vbox network setup, then |
| 21:50.44 | raptor67782 | you could set up with aumix and some % |
| 21:50.44 | Zertrin | raptor67782: indeed... |
| 21:51.10 | Zertrin | my install is a bare one, console only |
| 21:51.12 | raptor67782 | wiht percentage you can sometimes setup better your sound volume |
| 21:51.18 | tharkun | jelly-home: If i install postfix on a system and i do postconf -m i get the usual ones except for the sql backends. If i add postfix-pgsql to the mix i get from postconf -m all the previous ones plus pgsql. If i uninstall postfix-pgsql i still get from postconf -m pgsql Is that a bug ? |
| 21:51.18 | dokma | jelly-home: I'll try with a static setup |
| 21:51.26 | dokma | dhcp is a waste of time for this VM |
| 21:51.38 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:51.44 | Zertrin | it's not a problem of volume, but of which gain level is the lowest |
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| 21:52.00 | Zertrin | at 0% I'm already at 10 dB |
| 21:52.18 | Zertrin | althought it should be -50 db or so |
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| 21:57.49 | Zertrin | It doesn't seems to be a "volume" problem, the volume works great but the output of the card varies between 10 dB and 63 dB and this is way too much, It souldn't even trespass 0dB... |
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| 21:59.38 | Zertrin | For the context, I did a bare install of squeeze on my dockstar, installed "alsa-base" "alsa-utils" "alsaplayer" "alsaplayer-text" and I know it worked before (I mean 1 year ago, before I forgot this system and decided to reinstall it from scratch last week). |
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| 22:00.14 | Zertrin | I don't have anymore the previous config unfortunately... |
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| 22:02.02 | trysten | haha |
| 22:03.31 | dokma | jelly-home: thanks man! I've got it to work by copying some numbers from a working VM that used DHCP to setup it self up. |
| 22:03.58 | dokma | jelly-home: I still don't understand the difference between 192.168... style adresses and 10.0.... style ones |
| 22:04.07 | dokma | is that somehow fundamentally different? |
| 22:04.19 | thewanderer1 | dokma: in the future, you may find that iproute2 tools (ip link, ip address) are more informative than ifconfig |
| 22:04.41 | dokma | thewanderer1: I'll dig into that too |
| 22:04.45 | dokma | my networking is lowsy |
| 22:04.50 | dokma | ip link |
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| 22:05.28 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 22:07.48 | jackweb | Hello! Is it a good idea to use ndiswrapper instead of ath9k when the later is working unstable? |
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| 22:08.12 | tharkun | Is there something wrong with debian mirrors. 1.- trought out the day there has been lots of key failures. 2.- They are extremely slow. to say the least. |
| 22:08.16 | jelly-home | dokma: no. Both are defined as private use in RFC1918 |
| 22:08.19 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: try a newer kernel, use ndis as a last resort (it's fugly) |
| 22:08.48 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: which mirror? |
| 22:08.57 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: we have a few hundred, and they're all slightly different |
| 22:09.00 | tharkun | http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 22:09.13 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
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| 22:09.45 | jelly-home | wonders where cdn.d.n points to in US |
| 22:09.46 | jackweb | thewanderer1: 3.2.0-2-686-pae -- my kernel |
| 22:09.50 | dokma | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:10.02 | ruli | when testing freezes, does that mean only unstable/experimental get any updates at all? |
| 22:10.06 | jackweb | thewanderer1: I compiled the latest ath9k and latest wpa_supplicant |
| 22:10.15 | tharkun | I don't think that doing an mtr to any mirror will actually help fixing it. Unless asked for |
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| 22:10.35 | ruli | *for as long as the freeze period |
| 22:10.37 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: were the current ath9k and wpasupplicant not enough? |
| 22:10.44 | jackweb | (latest stable) |
| 22:11.11 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: try using a different mirror. You normally shouldn't be using ftp.us.debian.org anyway. |
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| 22:12.27 | jackweb | thewanderer1: I have lags on IRC, the speed is not good like on Windows etc.. |
| 22:12.41 | tharkun | What is the package that tells you how to find the nearest mirror? |
| 22:12.56 | nkuttler | tharkun: apt-spy? or something with netselect |
| 22:13.07 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: maybe try setting power saving paramerers via iwconfig? |
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| 22:13.23 | thewanderer1 | the card could enter sleep modes, delaying traffic |
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| 22:14.01 | tharkun | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 22:14.28 | ski | if i want to build and install a program, would it be more appropriate to put it in `/usr/local' or in `/usr/share' ? |
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| 22:14.52 | ski | (or would any other location be better ?) |
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| 22:15.08 | nkuttler | ski: for an executable? or as install PREFIX ? |
| 22:15.18 | ski | the latter |
| 22:15.26 | jackweb | thewanderer1: iwconfig wlan0 power off or all? |
| 22:15.34 | nkuttler | ski: /usr/local/ or /opt/local or ~/local |
| 22:15.38 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: 'power off' should disable saving |
| 22:15.39 | nkuttler | er, /opt |
| 22:15.53 | thewanderer1 | ski: or you could, you know, make an actual Debian package |
| 22:16.02 | nkuttler | indeed |
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| 22:16.20 | ski | thewanderer1 : well, there's one in wheezy, but i'm on squeeze here |
| 22:16.23 | themill | tharkun: or use cdn.debian.net |
| 22:16.35 | thewanderer1 | ski: tried backporting? |
| 22:16.48 | thewanderer1 | !tell ski about ssb |
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| 22:17.19 | ski | thewanderer1 : i'm not sure how that works |
| 22:17.26 | tharkun | themill: please a proper debian mirror. that one is extremely slow. I get better results downloading from australia |
| 22:17.42 | tharkun | themill: you've been cctp my client right ;P |
| 22:17.54 | ski | nkuttler : is there any difference in intension between `/usr/local' and `/opt' ? |
| 22:17.58 | thewanderer1 | ski: you could ask judd about "checkbackport $packagename" and see if it's viable to build from wheezy/sid sources |
| 22:18.00 | themill | tharkun: eh? |
| 22:18.12 | thewanderer1 | ski: installing from upstream sources is a last resort :P |
| 22:18.13 | tharkun | themill: forget about that last coment |
| 22:18.33 | nkuttler | ski: i don't think so, but see the FHS |
| 22:19.04 | jelly-home | nothing wrong with a little ctcp between friends |
| 22:19.05 | nkuttler | ski: but really, just build a backport, the bot told you how to do it |
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| 22:20.19 | jackweb | thewanderer1: at the moment it works great; thanks!!! :) |
| 22:20.33 | jackweb | thewanderer1: probably you solved my problem since one 1 year :) |
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| 22:22.45 | ski | nkuttler : "FHS" ? |
| 22:23.14 | tuvwx | how can i install nvidia's 295.33 drivers now? anyone got a snapshots apt url handy? |
| 22:23.17 | ski | judd: checkbackport smlnj |
| 22:23.18 | judd | Backporting package smlnj in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore. |
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| 22:23.32 | nkuttler | !tell ski about fhs |
| 22:23.49 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: see the manpage for saner settings - 500ms or similar might work, killing power saving is unpleasant :P |
| 22:24.27 | jelly-home | tuvwx: /msg dpkg snapshots |
| 22:24.50 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: in particular, avoid setting it to a value that coincides with your access point's beacon interval period - you could end up with a funky phase sync situation :P |
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| 22:26.42 | jelly-home | tuvwx: note that 295.33 has security issues. If you need exactly that version, consider applying ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/patches/security/CVE-2012-0946/ |
| 22:27.54 | tuvwx | jelly-home: 295.40 and 295.49 are killing me! all window updates take a few seconds during which xorg cpu usage spikes. iceweasel is unusable |
| 22:28.04 | jackweb | thewanderer1: what are the consequences of killing power saving? Only the fact that the battery is faster 'exhausted'? |
| 22:28.13 | tuvwx | switching browser tabs is a 5-second process |
| 22:28.13 | jelly-home | tuvwx: tried 302.07? :-) |
| 22:28.21 | thewanderer1 | jackweb: nothing apart from that |
| 22:28.30 | jackweb | ok |
| 22:28.33 | tuvwx | jelly-home: are they packaged in debian? |
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| 22:28.39 | jackweb | thanks once again :) |
| 22:28.44 | jelly-home | tuvwx: present in experimental, yes |
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| 22:29.18 | tuvwx | jelly-home: good to know. oh. just found out there is 295.53 in sid |
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| 22:30.41 | tharkun | themill: even today when ftp.us.debian.org is slow it is even faster than ftp.mx.debian.org :( |
| 22:30.53 | tuvwx | does anyone know if 295.53 fixes the slow window updates? |
| 22:31.28 | themill | tharkun: ftp.us.d.o is a dns round robin so it doesn't make sense to talk about its speed |
| 22:32.50 | tharkun | themill: just did dig and found the 6 servers behind it. Now i get what it is going on. Thanks for the information |
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| 22:36.48 | thewanderer1 | uh, what time/date format am I supposed to give to "at", again? I can never get that right... |
| 22:37.03 | thewanderer1 | I am trying 13:00:00 27.05.2012 but it has no idea what I mean |
| 22:37.10 | abrotman | is that today? |
| 22:37.15 | abrotman | hasn't looked at a calendar in days |
| 22:37.16 | thewanderer1 | nope |
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| 22:37.40 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: would "2012-05-27 13:00" work? |
| 22:37.51 | peterrooney | abrotman: man 1 cal # for great justi^Wtimekeeping |
| 22:37.53 | abrotman | thewanderer1: at 20120527 1300 |
| 22:38.12 | ski | hm, after (adding a `deb ... squeeze-backports ...' line to `sources.list' and) updating, `apt-get -t squeeze-backports install smlnj' gives me `E: Unable to locate package smlnj' -- presumably i'm doing something stupid |
| 22:38.15 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: man at; for details... it has a big section on timespec |
| 22:38.15 | tuvwx | ok. 295.53 is no good |
| 22:38.52 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: uh oh. couldn't it just use strtotime() ? :/ |
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| 22:39.45 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: that wouldn't be particularly flexible, since most of the time you want at to do something like run tomorrow, or in three hours, or similar |
| 22:40.07 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: strtotime supports that, no? |
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| 22:41.17 | ski | hm, and apparently <http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=smlnj&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports> turns a blank -- not sure why judd seemed to find a package |
| 22:43.08 | themill | ski: judd told you that you could make your own backported package easily, not that someone had already done so |
| 22:43.18 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: does strtotime even exist outside of php? |
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| 22:43.32 | ski | themill : oh, then i misinterpreted it |
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| 22:43.42 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: I sure hope there's a libc equivalent |
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| 22:44.01 | thewanderer1 | or otherwise, "shutdown" rolling its own implementation is a horrid vision |
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| 22:44.31 | nsadmin | on the packages.debian.org, results are returned from the link contained in "Some results have not been displayed due to the search parameters." |
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| 22:45.11 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: shutdown's timespec is really simple |
| 22:45.24 | nsadmin | ski, just so you know :) |
| 22:45.34 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it only supports a time or an offset in minutes |
| 22:45.46 | thewanderer1 | or "now"? |
| 22:46.07 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: right. |
| 22:46.16 | thewanderer1 | huh :P |
| 22:46.25 | thewanderer1 | okay, I'll read the pseudo BNF... |
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| 22:47.03 | ski | nsadmin : yeah, was looking for a backport to squeeze .. |
| 22:47.16 | thewanderer1 | a-ha! so it doesn't support seconds :P |
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| 22:48.17 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: right. at doesn't. If you want something to run with that fine of granularity, you want a timer |
| 22:48.21 | nsadmin | hmm, I never knew packages.d.o did backports |
| 22:48.37 | thewanderer1 | dondelelcaro: nah, I just discovered why my timespec was wrong, though |
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| 22:50.01 | tuvwx | am i the only one here whohaving |
| 22:50.13 | tuvwx | am i the only one here who's having trouble with nvidia drivers? |
| 22:50.41 | tuvwx | (xorg high cpu usage on any gtk window activity) |
| 22:51.12 | tharkun | Reviewing some bugs on package postfix, i found #303523 from version number 2.2 year 2005 Is it still relevant when stable is version 2.7 ? |
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| 22:52.26 | nsadmin | tharkun, wasn't closed? |
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| 22:53.01 | tuvwx | 302.11 doesn't seem to fix things either :( |
| 22:53.13 | tharkun | nsadmin: I don't think so but check for yourself i might be missing something http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303523 |
| 22:53.29 | tharkun | Last modified: Wed May 23 22:48:57 2012; |
| 22:54.03 | nsadmin | so there is some current attention to it... I'd say read the report |
| 22:54.28 | tharkun | nsadmin: latest report is from Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 |
| 22:54.47 | themill | tharkun: that doesn't mean it has magically fixed itself |
| 22:55.29 | nsadmin | if it was last modified today, you might want to find out what was modified |
| 22:55.44 | tharkun | themill: correct but the isue of the tls set up was something only present on version 2.1 and 2.2 then upstream cought with it and got it right |
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| 22:56.08 | themill | tharkun: but this bug isn't to do with tls |
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| 22:57.41 | ikla | why is the netinst cd asking me for netinst cd binary-1 ? |
| 22:57.49 | ikla | where is that cd/iso located |
| 22:57.49 | tuvwx | interesting. this tip seems to make things a lot more bearable: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Bad_performance.2C_e.g._slow_repaints_when_switching_tabs_in_Chrome |
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| 23:00.49 | abrotman | ikla: how did you create it? |
| 23:01.00 | ikla | ? |
| 23:01.29 | tuvwx | i must say. arch's wiki continues to impress |
| 23:01.35 | tharkun | themill: Is there a url where bug policies are stated. I don't understand why a bug on a no longer maintained version is still on the bug list of a package? |
| 23:02.29 | themill | tharkun: it's fairly simple -- the bug is open until it's fixed. It is fixed either by a maintainer patch or a new upstream version that fixes it. |
| 23:03.38 | tharkun | themill: postfix-tls was only debian and it disappeared some time ago. and tls in postfix i believe is quite stable. |
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| 23:04.06 | themill | tharkun: but we've already established that tls is irrelevant to this sasl bug |
| 23:05.02 | tharkun | themill: ok, you are right. I'll write it down and take a look at it again after a few hours sleep, Sorry to run around in circles chasing my own tail |
| 23:07.14 | dshep | does apt let you install the previous version of a package? |
| 23:07.36 | khem_ | how do I create a database of all installed packages, and then import those on a new server to run upgrade to get all the packages that were installed on the other server? I want this for backup / recovery reasons. |
| 23:08.07 | themill | khem_: /msg dpkg aptitude clone, or /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 23:08.14 | thewanderer1 | dshep: apt-get install foobar=1.0.3 |
| 23:08.32 | ski | idly wonders why `build-essential' wants `clisp' |
| 23:08.42 | themill | dshep: downgrading isn't always possible |
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| 23:09.07 | dshep | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 23:09.18 | themill | ski: there's no link between the two that I can find |
| 23:09.37 | dshep | hm is there a way to list the available versions? :) |
| 23:10.00 | peterrooney | dshep: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 23:11.21 | nsadmin | dshep, sure, /msg judd versions <package> |
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| 23:11.48 | dshep | judd, who is judd? :) |
| 23:12.22 | nsadmin | judd, versions foo |
| 23:12.23 | judd | No package named 'foo' was found in i386. |
| 23:12.48 | nsadmin | dshep, -and- you can msg it |
| 23:12.53 | judd | slap nsadmin |
| 23:13.16 | nsadmin | themill: :P |
| 23:13.35 | abrotman | slap nsadmin |
| 23:13.45 | dshep | i guess i should say i was hoping i could do this for a nonoffical source.. installed a new emacs-snapshot that is causing me problems.. wishful thinking maybe :) |
| 23:13.54 | abrotman | looks at themill |
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| 23:14.01 | dshep | judd, versions emacs |
| 23:14.02 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- lenny: 22.2+2-5; lenny-backports: 23.1+1-4~bpo50+1; sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7; sid: 23.4+1-3; wheezy: 23.4+1-3 |
| 23:14.03 | nutron | I've been using atftpd for ages, I wonder... are there risks in doing so? Do any of the other servers do a better job? |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | dshep: we *just* said, please msg the bot |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | nutron: using it for .. tftp on your LAN ? |
| 23:14.39 | nutron | abrotman: yes absolutely |
| 23:14.52 | nsadmin | I tried :P |
| 23:15.08 | abrotman | nutron: does it work for you? ISTR, there are only two main tftp servers in Debian? |
| 23:15.24 | dshep | sorry for the clutter |
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| 23:16.50 | nutron | abrotman: atftpd, tftpd, tftpd-hpa |
| 23:17.15 | dshep | is '23.2+1-7' the complete version or does that tell me something about older versions? |
| 23:18.10 | khem_ | what is the default MySQL database path in Debian? |
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| 23:19.37 | gnarface | khem_: i believe its /var/lib/mysql |
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| 23:22.47 | unomystEz | I built a custom kernel and installed it via dpkg, I want to deinstall it now but I couldn't find it listed in `dpkg --get-selections` |
| 23:23.03 | pikaro | hi! my laptop is going down the drain, and recently, my sound card has stopped working. (checked every howto i found, conclusion: hardware broken.) as I can't afford a usb sound card or even a new latop, i'd like to stream my audio to an old android device in some way, so I can connect my speakers there. unfortunately, as the sound card is broken, /dev/dsp or similar isn't even created. is it even possible to catch what _would_ be audio if it w |
| 23:23.03 | pikaro | ere to be send to the sound card? if so, how? |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | unomystEz: can you find it wiht 'dpkg -l' ? |
| 23:24.29 | nsadmin | dshep, so there are two ways of helping someone else to see a package availability (as judd can provide)... one, you can just "judd, versions foopkg" which might also help other folks in the channel... and if you know there are a bunch of folks who want to know, that might be the most efficient way to go. two, you can ask them to also msg the bot, by saying "/msg judd versions foopkg", and everyone on the channel will see that and choose whether th |
| 23:24.29 | nsadmin | ey will do that |
| 23:24.48 | unomystEz | abrotman: aha, yes I did! =) |
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| 23:25.52 | unomystEz | abrotman: I have 2 installed 3.2.9 and 3.2.0, I assume removing the offending 3.2.9 won't remove "shared" objects from 3.2.0 and I'll still be able to boot my system right? =) |
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| 23:27.47 | dshep | ah lovely i can install the old version i had from /var/cache/apt/archives .. |
| 23:27.51 | abrotman | unomystEz: only time will tell ... |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | !tell dshep about sdn |
| 23:28.05 | unomystEz | abrotman: aha, rebooting now! |
| 23:28.52 | dshep | pkg in question is not from debian, in case anyone cares |
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| 23:29.29 | unomystEz | abrotman: worked out okay |
| 23:29.32 | unomystEz | thanks for the help |
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| 23:31.04 | ikla | why is the netinst cd asking me for netinst cd binary-1 ? |
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| 23:31.39 | NuclearMeltdown | Wake on lan from S3 doesn't work. I did ethtool eth6 wol g |
| 23:31.43 | themill | ikla: some more context would help |
| 23:31.48 | NuclearMeltdown | and sending a magic packet did nothing |
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| 23:37.53 | unkn-error | hello |
| 23:38.02 | unkn-error | what is the difference in synaptic |
| 23:38.10 | unkn-error | when I select a package |
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| 23:39.20 | unkn-error | and I can choose between "Mark for removal" or "Mark for complete removal" |
| 23:39.20 | unkn-error | are they the same thing? |
| 23:39.24 | themill | !purge |
| 23:39.25 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 23:39.59 | jagginess | unkn-error, mark for complete removal means itll delete any /etc path text configurations it made. Mark for removal means it won't. (eg: cron files and other .conf files it makes) |
| 23:40.02 | unkn-error | aha, so complete will remove also the configs |
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| 23:41.48 | unkn-error | I have installed debian stable from live cd, now I removed "debian installer", but |
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| 23:42.13 | unkn-error | the kernel is a little bit old, and I would go with a 3 version, |
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| 23:42.22 | unkn-error | should I add backport's for this? |
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| 23:43.24 | jagginess | unkn-error, bpo is official. you can use it |
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| 23:46.02 | nsadmin | unkn-error, is there a package you want in backports? |
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| 23:46.59 | unkn-error | nsadmin: a kernel wit 3.x currently is a 2.6 |
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| 23:47.33 | nsadmin | unkn-error, true enough... I'm running that kernel now |
| 23:48.28 | unkn-error | nsadmin: on stable? |
| 23:48.39 | nsadmin | yep |
| 23:48.51 | nsadmin | the kernel from backports is 3.2.something |
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| 23:50.14 | unkn-error | do I need to add something for wifi or is supported out of the box? currently I am looking how things work in vmware but the next step will be an install to a laptop |
| 23:50.38 | nsadmin | you might need firmware, which is normally non-free |
| 23:50.40 | unkn-error | and in vmware I don't have wifi... |
| 23:51.14 | nsadmin | wait a sec, do you want wofi or no? |
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| 23:51.52 | NuclearMeltdown | Where can I get the p4_clockmod kernel driver? |
| 23:52.21 | nsadmin | is it in the kernel source tree? |
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| 23:52.32 | kingsley2 | Why would serial mice connected stop working after shutting down, disconnecting a seemingly unrelated and unused serial device and rebooting? /var/log/messages and dmesg both report a mouse. |
| 23:52.47 | kingsley2 | s/connected// |
| 23:52.51 | NuclearMeltdown | nsadmin, it's part of the kernel |
| 23:52.57 | NuclearMeltdown | but it isn't in /lib/modules |
| 23:53.08 | nsadmin | kingsley2, supposedly after you shut down, the machine is off :) |
| 23:53.40 | unkn-error | where is the config file for the things that are starting up automatically? like gdm, apache, ssh |
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| 23:54.13 | kingsley2 | nsadmin, I must refer you to the Latin: Proximo, sed nolo fumigare (close, but no cigar). |
| 23:54.42 | kingsley2 | suspects udev... |
| 23:54.46 | nsadmin | unkn-error, each service has a script in /etc/init.d |
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| 23:55.13 | NuclearMeltdown | Can I get a different kernel or something |
| 23:56.58 | nsadmin | kingsley2, it may be that the device appears at first, and then when you reboot, udev decided on another serial device |
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