| 00:00.37 | nsadmin | kingsley2, one thing I'd be curious about, is if you did another (second) reboot, is the device file referring to the same one as after the first reboot? |
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| 00:01.23 | devmikey | abrotman: fyi it was a xen server |
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| 00:05.34 | ski | hm, now i've got a couple of `*.deb's -- i wonder if i should add a `file:///...' line to `sources.list' to install them |
| 00:05.34 | abrotman | devmikey: you just figured this out? |
| 00:05.44 | kingsley | nsadmin: I'm happy to report that I seem to have fixed my mouse by firmly closing its cable connections and rebooting. |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | ski: where did you get them from ? |
| 00:06.17 | nsadmin | kingsley, awesome! so the machine WAS on? |
| 00:06.33 | ski | abrotman : built them with `apt-get -b source packagename' |
| 00:06.35 | kingsley | nsadmin: Indeed |
| 00:06.47 | ski | (backporting) |
| 00:06.48 | nsadmin | congratulatons |
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| 00:09.43 | unkn-error | thx! |
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| 00:12.27 | ski | abrotman : dpkg told me to do this -- the last step now is "4) install the resultant debs." |
| 00:12.49 | abrotman | ski: sure .. 'dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb' |
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| 00:13.32 | nsadmin | did aptitude change the letters displayed after packages, like ardour{p}? |
| 00:13.57 | abrotman | change since when? |
| 00:13.58 | ski | i have 16 `deb' files here -- i was thinking probably some of them depended on some of the others, so i wouldn't have to manually add all of them |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | ski: okay, dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 00:14.22 | nsadmin | dunno exactly... does that mean purge btw? |
| 00:14.47 | nsadmin | I'm running stable so it couldn't have changed since release |
| 00:14.53 | ski | abrotman : and that has the same effect as telling `aptitude' where to find them, and then installing all of them ? |
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| 00:15.08 | abrotman | !tell nsadmin about aptitude suffix |
| 00:15.13 | dvs | ski: There's only one way to find out! |
| 00:15.19 | abrotman | ski: not quite .. but we'll worry about that if you have missing deps |
| 00:15.36 | nsadmin | oh ok, so it didn't change |
| 00:15.47 | dokma | is it possible to start booting /dev/sda1 while running rescue boot? |
| 00:15.49 | ski | dvs : well, i was wanting to find out by figuring out how to tell `aptitude' about them ;) |
| 00:15.54 | dokma | so as to see the kernel messages and stuff |
| 00:16.08 | abrotman | ski: aptitude will know |
| 00:16.36 | ski | (i'm not sure yet i will need/want to install all of the `deb's immediately -- i'd first like to just install the main one, and the ones it requires) |
| 00:17.10 | dokma | abrotman: you know if it's possible to boot /dev/sda1 while in a rescue boot? |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | has the rescue system already booted? |
| 00:17.35 | dokma | abrotman: I've got my dedicated server running rescue |
| 00:17.36 | dokma | yes |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | then you can't "boot" it .. but you can chroot into it |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | maybe you should actually tell us the real problem |
| 00:18.10 | dokma | abrotman: it won't boot and I can't see why since it's over the network |
| 00:18.29 | abrotman | dokma: isn't that why you pay people ? |
| 00:18.48 | dokma | no, this is unmanaged server for a few bucks |
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| 00:19.00 | dokma | I gotta dig my self out of the hole |
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| 00:19.53 | dokma | second option, is there a way to see kernel message buffer from the previous boot attempt from a rescue boot? |
| 00:20.14 | ski | abrotman : yeah, but how do i tell `aptitude' the directory in which to find them ? |
| 00:20.59 | ski | is possibly missing something here |
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| 00:21.35 | boycottFB | nsadmin: hi |
| 00:22.16 | boycottFB | nsadmin: do you know where i can find some other useful bots like dpkg ? |
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| 00:24.00 | abrotman | ski: if you don't believe me, why are you asking? |
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| 00:24.25 | nsadmin | boycottFB, alis and judd can be useful |
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| 00:24.58 | nsadmin | is it that you want to run a bot or use an existing bot? |
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| 00:25.42 | ski | abrotman : believe what ? |
| 00:26.18 | abrotman | ski: i told you how to do it |
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| 00:26.43 | boycottFB | nsadmin: thanks, i know about alis. I was talking about topic-related bots, for example in other channels. :) |
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| 00:26.50 | ski | afaiu, you told me how to install the `deb's |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | boycottFB: oddly, ask those channels |
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| 00:26.58 | abrotman | ski: that's the answer |
| 00:27.13 | ski | i was wondering how to tell `aptitude' where to find the `deb's (without necessarily installing them) |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | it's more work than you want .. use dpkg |
| 00:27.33 | Porto | hi, im trying to install my pen 3g but dono why it's off:( |
| 00:27.36 | Porto | anyone can help? |
| 00:27.54 | boycottFB | abrotman: lol, how can i do that if i dont know what channels ? XD |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | boycottFB: if you don't know what topics you want to know about, how would we possibly know .. go ask #defocus perhaps |
| 00:28.25 | Porto | please |
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| 00:29.10 | Porto | i install the gonme ppp |
| 00:29.49 | Porto | and nothing :( |
| 00:29.51 | dvs | Porto: Oh, a wireless 3G provider's USB device |
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| 00:30.50 | Porto | zte mf627 |
| 00:30.58 | Porto | is the pen hardware |
| 00:31.06 | Porto | yap usb device |
| 00:31.09 | Porto | sorry |
| 00:31.15 | boycottFB | abrotman: ok, no problem. i was not clear. the question was if somebody knows about similar bots on this network. ok, nothing, it doesnt matter |
| 00:31.53 | Porto | the gnome ppp detect the modem |
| 00:31.59 | Rusty1_64 | Porto: google: zte mf627 linux |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | boycottFB: ask #defocus |
| 00:32.19 | boycottFB | Porto: usually that king of hardware has a sort of software switch |
| 00:32.22 | Porto | i did Rustyl_64 |
| 00:32.28 | Porto | yap |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | Porto: which version of linux? |
| 00:32.57 | Porto | debian 6 |
| 00:33.02 | Porto | last kernel backports |
| 00:33.07 | boycottFB | you need a package "usb-switch" (sorry i dont remember the exact name) to switch |
| 00:33.33 | Porto | yap is that |
| 00:34.13 | Rusty1_64 | usb modeswitch |
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| 00:34.40 | GapSpark | shalom friends |
| 00:34.43 | GapSpark | !!!! |
| 00:34.43 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 00:34.58 | GapSpark | how is everyone tonight?????? |
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| 00:35.34 | Rusty1_64 | Porto: es video showing setup with nm-applet |
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| 00:36.24 | Porto | iwwhat video? |
| 00:36.49 | Rusty1_64 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mck71L6Swt8 |
| 00:38.02 | Porto | but is in mint |
| 00:38.04 | Porto | i use debian |
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| 00:38.42 | Porto | and i don't have the usb pen detected in my nautilus |
| 00:39.08 | Porto | i think the problem is ther |
| 00:39.20 | kini | am I correct in thinking that the default shell you get in an xterm or urxvt window under debian is not a login shell? |
| 00:39.21 | Porto | because when i use a external usb hardrive |
| 00:39.29 | Porto | that doesn't appear |
| 00:39.31 | Porto | too |
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| 00:39.52 | GapSpark | can someone direct me to a debian chatroom for Jews? |
| 00:40.13 | GapSpark | ie one which only has jewish people in it |
| 00:40.35 | Porto | i think i dont have autofs |
| 00:40.37 | Porto | installed |
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| 00:42.48 | ski | GapSpark : maybe #debian.jews ? |
| 00:43.57 | Rusty1_64 | Porto: can you open a terminal? |
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| 00:45.18 | GapSpark | ski no one there :-( |
| 00:45.21 | peterrooney | notices that Gapspark the MBR troll is back. whoever removed the ban was mistaken. |
| 00:45.29 | ski | GapSpark : not even you ? |
| 00:46.08 | GapSpark | petergooney what is a MBR troll? |
| 00:46.44 | GapSpark | offer boottime trollage? |
| 00:47.01 | peterrooney | GapSpark: telling someone to dd urandom into various /dev/ files. |
| 00:47.22 | ski | nkuttler,thewanderer1,themill,nsadmin,abrotman : ty for your help |
| 00:47.23 | GapSpark | peterrooney i was offering a solution to his problem |
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| 00:48.22 | kini | hm, guess I can solve this with an xrdb option to urxvt |
| 00:48.24 | ski | now wonders how to build(/get) an `smlnj-doc' package :) |
| 00:48.30 | kini | thanks |
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| 00:49.31 | abrotman | GapSpark: please go somewhere else to play, this channel is for Debian support |
| 00:50.10 | GapSpark | abrotman this is my plan |
| 00:50.19 | peterrooney | GapSpark: you lie like i breathe. If you think that was a solution, you are either dumb, arrogant, or both. |
| 00:50.19 | abrotman | do you need help finding somewhere else? |
| 00:50.20 | GapSpark | I want to go to a jewish debian chatroom |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | GapSpark: why would there be one? |
| 00:50.52 | GapSpark | abrotman so Jewish people can share ideas about debian |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | GapSpark: please go somewhere else |
| 00:51.13 | GapSpark | abrotman yes i want to |
| 00:51.16 | ski | suggests #debian.jews |
| 00:51.21 | GapSpark | to a Jewish debian channel |
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| 00:51.38 | abrotman | GapSpark: There is no such thing, sorry, this channel is for Debian support, please go play somewhere else |
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| 01:16.23 | jair | hello guys, I am noticing something very annoying in one of my debian systems: http://paste.debian.net/170887/ |
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| 01:17.04 | abrotman | !tell jair about fixresolvconf |
| 01:17.04 | dvs | dhcp3? |
| 01:17.05 | jair | there is some kind of cron script running on debian that keep changing the resolv.conf file to the latter in the paste link as you can see |
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| 01:17.32 | mgodzilla | hello. |
| 01:17.35 | jair | dvs: nope this is just a comcast router |
| 01:17.42 | rektide | i did a sudo adduser foo audio |
| 01:17.46 | jair | abrotman: I will take a look |
| 01:18.00 | mgodzilla | tried installing Debian 6.0.5 min. install on a dell poweredge 800. |
| 01:18.15 | rektide | but the /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf is not applied after, as that user, i did a zsh -l (new login shell) |
| 01:18.19 | mgodzilla | video is unreadable durin' setup. |
| 01:18.25 | mgodzilla | and ideas? |
| 01:19.03 | dvs | add "nomodeset" to linux parameter when installing? |
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| 01:20.13 | jair | dvs: you are correct dhcp3 client |
| 01:20.14 | mgodzilla | hmm...I will look into that. thanks much :) |
| 01:20.24 | dvs | !beer me |
| 01:20.25 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dvs |
| 01:20.55 | mgodzilla | lol |
| 01:21.00 | mgodzilla | !beer me |
| 01:21.01 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for mgodzilla |
| 01:21.07 | mgodzilla | lol! |
| 01:21.09 | mgodzilla | nice... |
| 01:21.27 | boycottFB | !beer me |
| 01:21.28 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for boycottfb |
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| 01:21.38 | boycottFB | !vodka me |
| 01:21.39 | dpkg | draws off a shot of Stolichnaya for me |
| 01:21.44 | boycottFB | :) |
| 01:21.48 | mgodzilla | lol |
| 01:21.54 | boycottFB | cin! |
| 01:21.56 | dvs | boycottFB: But dpkg got it |
| 01:22.14 | boycottFB | doh! |
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| 01:22.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:22.30 | mgodzilla | boycottFB lol...best u/n I've seen in awhile :) |
| 01:23.10 | boycottFB | !tell me u/n |
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| 01:23.24 | boycottFB | !tell u/n |
| 01:23.28 | boycottFB | !u/n |
| 01:23.38 | boycottFB | mgodzilla: what is "u/n" ? |
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| 01:23.52 | mgodzilla | username... |
| 01:24.04 | bwulf | :3 |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | boycottFB: play with the bot somewhere else |
| 01:24.19 | rektide | is there any way to create a shell that will indeed make a new login for me? |
| 01:24.25 | rektide | i need my ulimit's updated |
| 01:24.26 | rektide | help |
| 01:24.28 | rektide | please help |
| 01:24.46 | boycottFB | abrotman: i was simply asking the bot what u/n means -_- |
| 01:24.51 | jair | abrotman: so I need to install that tool called "resolvconf" |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | boycottFB: play with the bot somewhere else |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | jair: no |
| 01:25.24 | boycottFB | not playing -_- |
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| 01:25.57 | Lafi | hi |
| 01:26.05 | abrotman | boycottFB: yes, you are .. |
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| 01:26.14 | boycottFB | no, i wasnt |
| 01:26.21 | bwulf | greetings Lafi |
| 01:26.22 | jair | abrotman: I can just edit the dhclient.conf but it is not really easy to understand, I guess I will need to check for examples :( |
| 01:26.27 | Lafi | dono why at my debian i cant detect my usb external drives |
| 01:26.38 | rektide | @audio - rtprio 95 |
| 01:26.38 | rektide | @audio - memlock unlimited |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | jair: that's why there is a man page |
| 01:26.42 | bwulf | Lafi: does it show up in lsusb ? |
| 01:26.45 | Lafi | anyone can help :( |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | boycottFB: i won't tell you again .. |
| 01:26.45 | rektide | @audio - rtprio 95 |
| 01:26.46 | rektide | @audio - memlock unlimited |
| 01:26.49 | rektide | that wasnt it |
| 01:26.55 | Lafi | yap |
| 01:27.05 | Lafi | bwulf yes |
| 01:27.08 | bwulf | Lafi: have you tried mounting it manually to a mount point ? |
| 01:27.12 | boycottFB | abrotman: i AM NOT using the bot! |
| 01:27.14 | rektide | after updating a /etc/security/limits.conf setting, without restarting X, how can i get a shell which will have the new policy applied for a modified user? please? |
| 01:27.21 | dvs | Oh the 3G wifi adapter again? |
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| 01:27.42 | bwulf | boycottFB: why didn't you take the hint ? so much easier for you to PM the bot and say OKAY in channel |
| 01:27.58 | Lafi | i tryed but i think i'm doing some mistake |
| 01:27.58 | Lafi | :S |
| 01:28.06 | abrotman | Lafi: looked in dmesg ? |
| 01:28.11 | bwulf | Lafi: is the USB disk formatted with a partition ? |
| 01:28.22 | Lafi | i think is ntfs |
| 01:28.24 | Lafi | yes |
| 01:28.25 | Lafi | ntfs |
| 01:28.38 | bwulf | you need to mount the partition with the # , not just the device name |
| 01:28.46 | bwulf | /dev/sdc1 perhaps ? |
| 01:28.47 | boycottFB | bwulf: yes, but easier != true |
| 01:29.12 | dvs | It's the ZTE mf627 again |
| 01:29.21 | Lafi | hum gona try |
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| 01:30.12 | jair | abrotman: there is not different from reading a japanese book from reading the dhclient.conf man page きらいです。 |
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| 01:30.52 | unomystEz | kirai!! |
| 01:31.13 | jair | I believe man pages could be more useful if someone translate them to a human readible way... :( |
| 01:31.25 | dalias | :) |
| 01:31.31 | Guest17706 | some examples are enough jair |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | jair: you can participate in translating those |
| 01:31.35 | Guest17706 | also, you have Google :) |
| 01:33.00 | nsadmin | jair, re: your comparison to japanese, you're correct. either way, you nave to learn to read the material |
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| 01:34.23 | jair | I can not translate something if I don't understand it... But I know I know I will probably need to read it and read it again until it makes some kind of sense |
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| 01:35.34 | jair | I can translate spanish to english and viceversa because I understand both, abrotman I would really like to participate in a project like that actually. I am serious. will help more admins |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | jair: not sure what japanese has to do with that... |
| 01:36.07 | jair | anyway, I will continue trying to find examples of how to configure the dhclient.conf file |
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| 01:36.29 | nsadmin | true. if you don't understand things now, (a) you'd have to learn to understand them and (b) until you take the time to learn and understand the subject |
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| 01:36.43 | jair | abrotman: have you ever seen the three alphabeths Japanese people use? (I am currently learning Japanese ;)) |
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| 01:37.44 | nsadmin | treat reading and understanding man pages as learning a language |
| 01:37.55 | nsadmin | becasue that's exactly what you're doing |
| 01:38.07 | jair | nsadmin: :) thank you |
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| 01:38.36 | boycottFB | jair: look at that man page. it has an example , the example is for netBSD but i think it'ok: just replace ep0 with eth0 |
| 01:38.40 | nsadmin | and did I mention this will take time? |
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| 01:40.23 | nsadmin | maybe you can imagine yourself 6 months from now, reading and completely understanding all the man pages you read... and you can then think back to right now as the place you started, decided to understand |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | nsadmin: please try to stay on-topic |
| 01:40.48 | jair | nsadmin: I know but I have understanding of linux and gnu, but learning how dhclient works and how resolvconf works is a complete new deep study... |
| 01:41.16 | nsadmin | jair, glad you recognize that. |
| 01:41.33 | jair | abrotman: sorry for going out of topic |
| 01:41.41 | jair | thank you seriously to both |
| 01:41.53 | boycottFB | jair: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2131.txt <--- start from here |
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| 01:42.17 | nsadmin | what is it you're trying to accomplish? |
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| 01:42.48 | jair | boycottFB: I know but if I follow the example is like try and error I will not understand what I am doing, I know I need to tell dhclient to use specific dns server, I did that editing the file "/etc/resolv.conf" but then there is some kind of rule that change it from time to time |
| 01:42.50 | boycottFB | jair: resolv.conf is the easiest thing: just write "nameserver " followed by the dns ip address |
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| 01:43.07 | abrotman | jair: the bot gave you the answer 20 minutes ago |
| 01:43.35 | nsadmin | jair, so you need to understand how the pieces work (that's what I hear you saying anyway) |
| 01:44.33 | jair | abrotman: I have the answer but I am not sure if I have to write a whole new dhclient file or just comment out that line --> #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; or this one --> # option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 01:44.34 | nsadmin | you should try to get through man dhclient.conf; each paragraph should tell you about at least one thing you can put in the config |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | so dense |
| 01:44.57 | boycottFB | jair: the problem is not that man page. the problem is that you need to understand how DHCP works (lease-time, renewal etc etc ) |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | jair: just that line .. the rest should remain |
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| 01:46.04 | jair | boycottFB: you are not following what the problem is, even if you edit resolv.conf manually debian will change it back to whatever is available example the ip dns of my router, overwritting resolv.conf from my manual entry of my internal dns server. |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | jair: the bot gave you the answer 20 minutes ago .. read wha tthe bot told you |
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| 01:47.04 | boycottFB | jair: as abrotman said you could try by commenting that "domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1" line |
| 01:47.07 | jair | abrotman: I think you just made the answer clear to me, I just need to uncomment one line, but there are two, prepend or option or both? |
| 01:47.24 | boycottFB | try both |
| 01:47.37 | jair | hmm |
| 01:47.48 | jair | is going back to the bot |
| 01:48.10 | boycottFB | i think you need to comment all the dns lines in the dhclient.conf |
| 01:48.33 | boycottFB | , since you are using resolv.conf |
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| 01:49.35 | abrotman | uh no |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | that'd be bad |
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| 01:50.29 | jair | boycottFB: I really appreciate your help, but you don't now what you are talking about. |
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| 01:51.13 | boycottFB | jair: me? lol. just try to _read_ the example in "man dhclient.conf" |
| 01:51.24 | jair | abrotman: I think I found the solution, I ask the bot about overide dns and the answer got clearer prepend, append, |
| 01:51.38 | Lafi | bwulf: thanks! |
| 01:51.48 | Lafi | its done;) |
| 01:51.55 | boycottFB | jair: you have to delete this string "domain-name-servers" in the line that starts with the word "request" |
| 01:52.28 | jair | abrotman: is there a way I can see how often the system will make the change or overide the dns servers if I don't make any changes now? will be in the dhclient.conf? |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | jair: fix the dhclient.conf .. don't play silly games |
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| 01:54.06 | Sanjuro | is there any specific version I should grab to setup a older celeron 1.7 laptop? minimal desktop environment needed, just want it to run quick, need at most a browser and music player |
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| 01:54.10 | boycottFB | jair: and also in the line starting with "require" |
| 01:54.20 | jair | abrotman: no, seriously I am just trying to understand where I can see that information so I can validate that the dns servers from the router will not overide the ones I am asking dhclient to use. |
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| 01:54.57 | abrotman | jair: force a dhcp request, isn't that better than waiting? |
| 01:55.18 | Sanjuro | probably this? debian-6.0.5-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 01:55.33 | boycottFB | Sanjuro: try some of there wm: icewm, fvwm-crystal, twm (<---- very light!!) . Use elinks or "links2 -g" as a web browser (firefox is too heavy!) |
| 01:55.40 | jair | abrotman: as you can see here: http://paste.debian.net/170887 the first dns servers are the ones I added manually about a day ago, and when I check today for the dns servers they were the other ones in the bottom. |
| 01:55.59 | jair | abrotman: ohhhh |
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| 01:56.15 | boycottFB | Sanjuro: install using debian netinstall cd. |
| 01:56.17 | jair | abrotman: I see, so the dns changes each time dhclient runs |
| 01:56.54 | jair | abrotman: alright let me do that test right now, make the change to the dhclient.conf line prepend and see if gets the new dns servers |
| 01:57.13 | boycottFB | Sanjuro: when installing you'll want to _avoid_ gui (aka gnome). you'll need to install xdm and icewm or other wv later via apt-get |
| 01:57.23 | Sanjuro | ah okay |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | on that CD, it's not gnome, it's xfce/lxde |
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| 01:58.52 | jair | abrotman: hold on, I am not using dhcp for this machine, that's why I am so disturbed, this machine does not receive IP from dhcp is actully static |
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| 01:59.26 | jair | abrotman: so somehow is not changing the ip address just the resolv.conf file |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | or you could try it and see what happens |
| 02:00.33 | Leave_This_Place | hi, i'm trying to override the /usr/share/applications/ .desktop files by putting .desktop files in my ./local/share/applications/ directory, but it doesn't seem to be working. Is there some setting I'm overlooking? |
| 02:00.46 | jair | hmmm |
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| 02:02.31 | boycottFB | jair: to try what i just said no, eh? bah |
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| 02:03.40 | Sargun-Work | Where can I get the ubuntu / debian installers source code? |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | Sargun-Work: which do you want? |
| 02:03.56 | engla | Leave_This_Place: ~/.local/share/applications and the same filename and it should work. |
| 02:04.12 | Leave_This_Place | engla: it is the same filename :( |
| 02:04.43 | engla | Leave_This_Place: well, which program does not respect your override? some might do it wrong |
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| 02:05.07 | Leave_This_Place | engla: the awesome window manager, awesome.desktop |
| 02:05.34 | Leave_This_Place | it loads fine when its in /usr/share/applications but not .local |
| 02:05.44 | engla | loaded by whom? |
| 02:06.22 | Leave_This_Place | engla: loaded by ~/.xsession |
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| 02:08.01 | fedora_newb | What should I look into for a gui access to debian (already have ssh access) from windows? |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | vnc |
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| 02:08.18 | engla | nx is great |
| 02:08.30 | fedora_newb | ty abrotman, any particular vnc? |
| 02:08.32 | engla | Leave_This_Place: I don't know then, sounds like you are doing it right |
| 02:08.33 | jair | fedora_newb: take a look at teamviewer |
| 02:08.43 | fedora_newb | ty jair, much appreciated |
| 02:08.51 | abrotman | neither teamviewer or nx are in Debian |
| 02:08.59 | jair | fedora_newb: teamviewer works with windows, linux, mac |
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| 02:09.33 | boycottFB | fedora_newb: tightvnc or you could just type "aptitude search *vnc*" to get a list |
| 02:10.28 | jair | abrotman is correct, but I found it very good for remote control tool -> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx?os=linux |
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| 02:11.15 | jair | fedora_newb: vnc is very slow compared with teamviewer :( and does not use sncryption you need to do an ssh tunneling |
| 02:11.24 | boycottFB | abrotman: are you sure? i can see qtnx is in the repo |
| 02:11.54 | jair | fedora_newb: but if you want to go fully opensource/free software vnc + ssh is the best |
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| 02:12.14 | abrotman | boycottFB: is it actually NX, or a front-end? |
| 02:12.16 | lusers | `versions nvidia-glx |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | lusers: packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx |
| 02:12.56 | boycottFB | abrotman: i dont use it, but aptitude says " qtnx - NX client for QT " |
| 02:13.02 | lusers | abrotman: Thanks... I like jidd(?) though! :) |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | i see |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | boycottFB: client, not server |
| 02:13.58 | boycottFB | fedora_newb: you can use "vncserver -localhost" and then tunnel it via ssh |
| 02:15.42 | Leave_This_Place | engla: thanks anyway :( |
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| 02:20.07 | jair | fedora_newb: if you are accessing froma windows system you can follow this configuration: http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi |
| 02:20.20 | jair | fedora_newb: ignore the smoothwall specifics |
| 02:20.52 | fedora_newb | ty jair, i have putty installed to access the command prompt |
| 02:20.59 | fedora_newb | so this should be fairly ez then :P |
| 02:21.19 | Leave_This_Place | hi, i'm trying to override the /usr/share/applications/ .desktop files by putting .desktop files in my ./local/share/applications/ directory, but it doesn't seem to be working. Is there some setting I'm overlooking? |
| 02:22.06 | Sargun-Work | abrotman: I want to look through the preseed code |
| 02:22.22 | jair | fedora_newb: yes it is actually very simple once you understand it, read carefully the guide is very human readable :) |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | Sargun-Work: for which installer? |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | wasn't a hard question |
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| 02:24.36 | Sargun-Work | abrotman: uh - default installer on sid |
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| 02:25.32 | abrotman | no such thing .. try again |
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| 02:33.04 | Sargun-Work | abrotman: what are my choices |
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| 02:34.51 | abrotman | Sargun-Work: what was your original questoin .. choose one |
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| 02:38.20 | Leave_This_Place | engla: i foudn out why XD.. where do i go to report a problem with a .desktop file |
| 02:38.34 | Leave_This_Place | dpkg: !bug |
| 02:38.35 | dpkg | no idea, Leave_This_Place |
| 02:38.53 | Leave_This_Place | dpkg: !bugreport |
| 02:38.55 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Leave_This_Place |
| 02:39.32 | Leave_This_Place | engla: nevermind, found it |
| 02:40.37 | Sanjuro | there any decent music players available that will allow me to search libraries, etc and are easy to manipulate and control for non linux people? ex: guests using the computer to select music |
| 02:41.05 | Sanjuro | or are they determined by the desktop env. I choose |
| 02:41.16 | jair | how can I get rid of the extra dns servers showing up when I run dhclient eth0 --> http://paste.debian.net/170893/ |
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| 02:42.02 | abrotman | Sanjuro: for which desktop? |
| 02:42.21 | jair | I already edited some of the parameters on dhclient, but if I move to another network (this is a laptop) I will need to replace the dhclient.conf with the original dhclient.conf (which I saved) |
| 02:42.30 | Sanjuro | open to suggestions as this will be one of the main uses for the laptop |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | Sanjuro: which DE do you normally use? |
| 02:43.08 | Sanjuro | well this is a older laptop so looking for more lightweight ones, someone said "icewm, fvwm-crystal, twm" |
| 02:43.24 | Sanjuro | celeron 1.7 with 1.5GB ram |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | uhm .. "old" |
| 02:43.41 | Sanjuro | usually use gnome |
| 02:43.50 | Sanjuro | okay, slightly dated |
| 02:43.52 | Sanjuro | not quite old |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | have you tried banshee or quod libet? |
| 02:44.08 | Sanjuro | first time trying debian or anything besides gnome/kde preiod |
| 02:44.10 | Sanjuro | period* |
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| 02:44.48 | Sanjuro | xfce seems to be a popular choice in this scenario |
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| 02:46.10 | abrotman | or LXDE I suppose |
| 02:46.27 | Sanjuro | either lxde or xfce have a better media player? |
| 02:46.38 | bwulf | Sanjuro: you can install VLC on either |
| 02:46.44 | Sanjuro | yeah that will probably be fine |
| 02:47.12 | Sanjuro | I can install both and switch between them anyways if I want right? |
| 02:47.27 | bwulf | with a decent Login Manager such as GDM yes |
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| 02:47.39 | abrotman | just based on a quick run, i'd prefer quod libet probably .. seems more intuitive |
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| 02:48.08 | JoseC | good night |
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| 03:28.42 | jetscreamer | what program do i use to write a signature on a factory fresh hard drive, as in "Disk identifier: 0xece6fd66" as seen in fdisk -l |
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| 03:30.57 | jetscreamer | also how to write a uuid on a partition |
| 03:31.03 | jetscreamer | cloning to new hd |
| 03:31.08 | jetscreamer | !find uuid |
| 03:31.19 | Sanjuro | mounted a share incorrectly, how do I unmount it? |
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| 03:31.30 | Sanjuro | umount something I assume |
| 03:31.56 | karlpinc | Sanjuro: umount /wherever/you/mounted/it |
| 03:32.15 | jetscreamer | dunno never do shares in linux but i would guess typing mount and then doing umount /what/he/said works |
| 03:32.29 | elvis4526 | Is the rules file in a debian package a bash script? |
| 03:32.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg: uuid |
| 03:32.53 | Sanjuro | /mnt device is busy, odd |
| 03:32.53 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 03:33.26 | bwulf | Sanjuro: close any TTY you have with that mount point as CWD |
| 03:33.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'uuid' (8 of 58): (/usr/bin/uuid) in utils/uuid ;; (/usr/bin/dbus-uuidgen) in admin/dbus ;; (/usr/bin/uuidcdef) in devel/uuidcdef ;; (/usr/bin/k3d-uuidgen) in graphics/k3d ;; (/usr/bin/uuidgen) in libs/uuid-runtime ;; (/sbin/live-new-uuid) in misc/live-boot ;; (/usr/bin/uuidtrip) in ocaml/libuuidm-ocaml-dev ;; (/usr/lib/collectd/uuid.so) in utils/collectd-core. |
| 03:33.38 | jetscreamer | sloooooow |
| 03:33.43 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 03:33.43 | dpkg | jetscreamer: aw, gee |
| 03:34.27 | jetscreamer | !debian rules |
| 03:34.28 | dpkg | jetscreamer, werd up |
| 03:34.34 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 03:34.46 | Sanjuro | mount -t cifs etc... is gone after reboot, how can I make it permanent? |
| 03:34.47 | jetscreamer | !info uuidgen |
| 03:35.09 | jetscreamer | fstab iii would guess, Sanjuro |
| 03:35.14 | Sanjuro | ah yeah duh.. sorry |
| 03:35.20 | Sanjuro | imma start thinking first then asking these questions |
| 03:35.37 | jetscreamer | don't worry ppl in here will rag on you if you forget... :) |
| 03:35.49 | Sanjuro | I'm surprised ive gotten this much help, you hear bad things about this channel! |
| 03:35.55 | Sanjuro | ive only had good experiences |
| 03:36.00 | jetscreamer | liberal lies |
| 03:36.13 | JoseC | lol |
| 03:36.23 | jetscreamer | course we don't have mwilson anymore, or greycat |
| 03:36.40 | jetscreamer | they were more like that.. but very very smart with debian |
| 03:36.53 | jetscreamer | impatient, maybe |
| 03:37.16 | Sanjuro | probably sick of people like me asking instead of reading =D |
| 03:37.32 | Sanjuro | I ask then realize I need to slow down and think first |
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| 03:39.32 | jetscreamer | tiny font :( |
| 03:39.51 | jetscreamer | !info dbus-uuidgen |
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| 03:40.34 | karlpinc | jetscreamer: <kms>? |
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| 03:41.04 | Sanjuro | very happy, this install is going great |
| 03:41.08 | Sanjuro | things just working as they should |
| 03:42.59 | Sanjuro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:45.54 | furrywolf | I just did an update, and now I get "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT can handle." every time I try to do anything involving apt. I'm using apt version "0.7.20.2 for i386 compiled on Feb 8 2009 00:40:41". Googling finds bug reports saying this was fixed in a newer apt, but with no apt, I'm having a bit of a problem trying to get one... |
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| 03:46.13 | jetscreamer | karlpinc: if kms is a packaage dpkg doesn't seem to know about it... i want to write/generate new uuid's on a partition(s), and write a new disk signature.. after i clone with dd |
| 03:46.48 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: try aptitude |
| 03:46.56 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: same thing. |
| 03:47.04 | karlpinc | jetscreamer: <kms> is a dpkg factoid ("/msg dpkg kms" in your irc client). It seems to be what puts tiny fonts on my console. |
| 03:47.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 03:47.30 | furrywolf | the problem is the underlying package manager, not the interface. |
| 03:47.49 | karlpinc | furrywolf: If you're upgrading major releases the only way is to follow the releaes notes. |
| 03:48.01 | jetscreamer | karlpinc: this screen is like 3 time larger than the screen these fonts are sized for... haven't gotten around to changing it yet |
| 03:48.34 | furrywolf | no, I'm not upgrading major releases. I ran into a bug with xpdf, so did an update to see if a newer version had been released lately, and now I can't do anything package-related. |
| 03:48.36 | Sanjuro | goodnight guys, thanks for all the help |
| 03:48.42 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: worst case, you go to pdo and d/l stuff (apt and deps) and dpkg -i * |
| 03:49.58 | furrywolf | seems in the last couple months, if you have both stable and unstable, there's now more than 65536 packages... and even if I remove unstable from sources.list, everything is still too broken to do anything. |
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| 03:50.32 | jetscreamer | got synaptic or something else? |
| 03:50.49 | jetscreamer | does it caveman style with dselect |
| 03:50.50 | furrywolf | synaptic is a pointy-clicky frontend; it won't fix apt. :) |
| 03:51.12 | jetscreamer | if there's an apt update that fixes your problem, it will eh |
| 03:51.16 | furrywolf | heads to pdo and starts downloading debs |
| 03:51.51 | jetscreamer | something that doesn't depend on using apt to update apt |
| 03:52.02 | furrywolf | I suspect I'm going to run into trying to download an unreasonable number of dependencies, and then breaking things, which is why I didn't try this earlier... |
| 03:52.18 | furrywolf | doesn't synaptic depend on using apt? |
| 03:52.23 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 03:52.36 | jetscreamer | don't think it would but i don't use it |
| 03:52.50 | jetscreamer | apt is a front end to dpkg, i THINK |
| 03:53.00 | furrywolf | as far as I know, it's just a front-end, which exec()s all the same tools. |
| 03:53.52 | jetscreamer | dselect > * (but you will only hear me say that, nobody else) |
| 03:54.20 | furrywolf | hrmm, if I delete the unstable stuff from /var/lib/apt/lists, I can get it to work. |
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| 03:54.37 | snowrichard | hi |
| 03:54.40 | furrywolf | presumably I can now update, install new apt, re-add unstable, re-update... |
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| 03:55.43 | Rusty1 | furrywolf: tried using aptitude? |
| 03:55.59 | jetscreamer | [22.46.46] <jetscreamer> furrywolf: try aptitude |
| 03:56.00 | jetscreamer | [22.46.54] <furrywolf> jetscreamer: same thing. |
| 03:56.36 | furrywolf | lol! aptitude's suggestion to upgrading apt is... remove aptitude. |
| 03:56.46 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: what, you have both stable and sid in sources? |
| 03:56.48 | furrywolf | you'd think it would be smart enough to not offer that as a solution, to anything, ever. :) |
| 03:56.54 | furrywolf | jetole: yes |
| 03:56.57 | furrywolf | jetscreamer |
| 03:57.15 | jetscreamer | with pinning, or do you have it all weirded out? |
| 03:58.07 | furrywolf | I've just pulled a few packages from unstable, when I really needed the latest version of them. |
| 03:58.11 | furrywolf | otherwise it's all stable. |
| 03:58.17 | jetscreamer | !ssb |
| 03:58.18 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 03:58.26 | jetscreamer | like that? |
| 03:58.30 | jetscreamer | or what |
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| 03:58.53 | jetscreamer | !pinning |
| 03:58.54 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 03:59.35 | furrywolf | I have unstable at the bottom of the sources.list, so it defaults to stable ones, or at least that's what I decided it does, then I use =whatever if I want to make it get the new version. |
| 04:00.08 | furrywolf | however, that's completely unrelated to this problem. the problem is waaaaay back when, some developer decided 64K packages ought to be enough for anyone. and, as of last month or so, stable+unstable now exceeds that. :) |
| 04:01.17 | jetscreamer | if your object is to be running stable with some updated packages from upstream, you want to use backports is what i was taught |
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| 04:01.31 | dizzylizzy | whoa! tupi is a really cool program |
| 04:01.40 | jetscreamer | but i'm a big big fan of whatever works |
| 04:01.41 | furrywolf | backports has only a small selection of software. |
| 04:01.52 | jetscreamer | hence the ssb |
| 04:01.56 | jetscreamer | !ssb |
| 04:01.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:02.21 | furrywolf | the problem I'm having is the 65535 package limit. but I think deleting the unstable package lists has fixed it. now I just need to get aptitude to stop trying to commit suicide. |
| 04:03.13 | jetscreamer | let it uninstall then reinstall it is what i would do.. i've seen it work fine that way |
| 04:03.40 | jetscreamer | but i only know what i've done maybe somebody else knows more than me which wouldn't be hard |
| 04:03.41 | furrywolf | "# aptitude install apt" ... "The following actions will resolve these dependencies:" "Remove the following packages:" "aptitude" ... "Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]" :) |
| 04:03.58 | furrywolf | aptitude should have a rule that removing aptitude is never a suggestion it should offer. :) |
| 04:04.06 | furrywolf | telling it to also install aptitude seems to work, though. |
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| 04:06.43 | furrywolf | bah, 14MB of packages, will be 20 minutes - 20 hours or so, depending on my connection's mood. |
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| 04:07.49 | Rusty1 | aptitude clean, aptitude update, then aptitude safe-upgrade maybe |
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| 04:08.20 | furrywolf | current estimate is 2h46m. bleh. |
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| 04:10.28 | furrywolf | I had to comment out my sources, so any type of upgrade would be a bad idea. right now I need to only upgrade apt and its deps, and nothing else. then I'll have a newer apt, hopefully with the 64K limit fixed, and can add back in my sources, and worry about updating and upgrading stuff then. |
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| 04:24.58 | raptor67682 | Zertrin: no , in fact, misunderstanding. I meant that anyhow nothing is perfect. that's why then I lost you ... on the topic |
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| 04:51.05 | raptor67682 | is there a #debian or #linux freenode channel jsut onyl for the hardware ? |
| 04:51.27 | furrywolf | #hardware/##hardware? :) |
| 04:51.30 | bazhang | nope |
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| 04:51.45 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.53 | raptor67682 | (using bash) |
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| 04:52.10 | arvind_khadri | bazhang, hello :0 |
| 04:52.11 | furrywolf | you could filter it out of lsusb's output (with some number of -v's) pretty easily. |
| 04:52.12 | arvind_khadri | :) |
| 04:52.13 | raptor67682 | furrywolf: #harware could be too windows. name not ok maybe : #debian-hardware |
| 04:52.27 | raptor67682 | thre is already a #debian-offtopic |
| 04:52.37 | raptor67682 | which is well crowded (relatively) |
| 04:53.09 | furrywolf | be advised the usb chips don't report how much power a device is actually using, just how much it's requested to use. |
| 04:53.22 | furrywolf | most run the power lines straight off a polyfuse. |
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| 04:56.31 | nevyn | sensibly |
| 04:57.05 | raptor67682 | would you know a script that find /sys and list + sum those informatoin somehow, to have a good total overview of USB , devices, power for CLI ? |
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| 04:58.06 | vp18 | how is Solus OS with Cairo Dock? |
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| 05:03.32 | furrywolf | lsusb -v 2>/dev/null | sed -n 's/.*MaxPower[^0-9]*\([0-9]\+\)mA.*/\1+/p' | tr -d '\n' | sed 's/+$/\n/' | bc |
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| 05:03.57 | furrywolf | probably could be done much easier, but I'm tired and lazy. |
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| 05:09.53 | brico1 | i'm looking for a site that explains how the kernel and other pieces of linux (like openbox, etc) fit together. i'm interested in starting with a minimal install, and just adding what i want. anybody know a site like that? |
| 05:10.20 | brico1 | (i've already checked out "linux from scratch" and that looks way too involved for my purposes) |
| 05:10.50 | dizzylizzy | brico1, it's an involved process |
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| 05:11.56 | brico1 | well if i start with, say, debian minimal, and then add like, a window manager... i don't know.. i'm hoping there's a site that might explain that sort of thing- and linux from scratch is way more from scratch than i think i want |
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| 05:12.33 | brico1 | for example- crunchbang is based on debian, with openbox, and other stuff. but maybe i don't want the other stuff... |
| 05:13.29 | brico1 | and i hate the idea of un-installing things. from my experience, things always get left over after an uninstall |
| 05:13.49 | raptor67682 | furrywolf: thatn you so much ... taht s a soo so cool command !!! LOVin it |
| 05:14.17 | brico1 | any suggestions at all, or am i just going to get snide comments like "it's an involved process" |
| 05:14.22 | raptor67682 | it can trace a bit the power of my usb and I can get to understand why my AC burnt out |
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| 05:15.33 | furrywolf | as I said earlier, it DOES NOT report the actual power usage of devices, just what class they asked for. |
| 05:15.46 | dizzylizzy | sections 8 9 10 and 11 of the Debian Policy manual (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/) has some great information on how at least Debian sets up the relationship between some of those things |
| 05:15.55 | dizzylizzy | brico1, see above |
| 05:16.11 | brico1 | thanks |
| 05:16.14 | dizzylizzy | well |
| 05:16.19 | dizzylizzy | that's probably not quite what you're looking for |
| 05:16.26 | furrywolf | a device can ask for 100ma, then try pulling 1000ma. some devices do this. many devices draw power without even asking for it. |
| 05:16.34 | dizzylizzy | brico1, it's not that complex a thing to do; basically you install xorg, install your window manager, and whatever programs you want to use |
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| 05:17.10 | furrywolf | the only way to get actual power measurements would be to rig a multimeter up in the +5 line. |
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| 05:17.34 | furrywolf | the usb chips don't measure actual power. they just have the 5v supply rail ran straight to the connector, with a fuse of some form if you're lucky. |
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| 05:19.27 | raptor67682 | why so much : 500+500+100+2+100+0 = 1202 ... is it a lot ? |
| 05:19.52 | furrywolf | ok, obviously you're not reading what I'm saying, so I'm going to stop bothering to try. |
| 05:19.53 | raptor67682 | and my laptop has only : 0+0+0+100+0+98+0 |
| 05:20.03 | raptor67682 | yearh , you said MAX |
| 05:20.46 | raptor67682 | but well, that's was a bit difference (although not perfect evaluation) |
| 05:21.27 | raptor67682 | I read, but I do not write like maybe I should. communication things ... which can lead to misunderstanding |
| 05:21.48 | furrywolf | that's the maximum the device asked for, which is usually certain values (2,100,500), not how much it uses. a device usually asks for more than it needs. some devices ask for less than they need. it's not an actual measurement. |
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| 05:22.10 | furrywolf | if you want an actual measurement, get a powered hub, stick a multimeter in the power plug, and plug stuff into it. |
| 05:22.51 | raptor67682 | a multimeter really? |
| 05:22.54 | furrywolf | also, keep in mind the #1 cause of failed ac adapters is the word "china" on the label. |
| 05:23.05 | raptor67682 | I never though about it |
| 05:23.33 | raptor67682 | furrywolf: it was made in china indeed. |
| 05:23.38 | raptor67682 | you meant crappy quality |
| 05:24.54 | furrywolf | yes. substandard designs are only the beginning - many ac adapters are found to have fake components, been re-designed after agency approvals, or to have completely faked approvals. (ul, ce, etC) |
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| 05:25.54 | raptor67682 | thats crap indeed |
| 05:26.03 | raptor67682 | well. .. actualyl |
| 05:26.12 | raptor67682 | the very funny thing is that in the future ... |
| 05:26.17 | raptor67682 | China will rule the world |
| 05:26.27 | raptor67682 | JP and China ... devices ... he he |
| 05:26.49 | raptor67682 | my watch is from JP and you cannot avoid asia components nowadays |
| 05:27.02 | raptor67682 | raw materiasl, metals, ... all the same |
| 05:27.24 | raptor67682 | joking but well, they control us ;) you cannot avoid it :) |
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| 05:28.51 | furrywolf | my point is, your ac adapter may well have failed entirely on its own accord, not because a usb device drew too much power. |
| 05:29.28 | furrywolf | generally usb ports have built-in fuses, so devices can't draw too much power, and the devices that tend to melt things are the same ones that don't accurately report their power needs, so you can't tell from software anyway. |
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| 05:33.29 | nsadmin | sometimes fuses don't blow fast enough |
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| 05:34.17 | dizzylizzy | brico1, http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference << that might be of some use too, it has little tutorials/documentation for how to set up all sorts of things |
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| 05:34.45 | benjamindees | this has nothing to do with Debian but is there a GIS channel on here? |
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| 05:35.04 | raptor67682 | do you know if a HIGH speed HUB does consume a lot of USB power (it has a power supply and is independantly thus powered) |
| 05:35.22 | furrywolf | hubs themselves consume close to nothing. |
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| 05:35.34 | benjamindees | yeah should consume very little |
| 05:35.36 | dizzylizzy | benjamindees, is that anything like openstreetmap? |
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| 05:36.05 | benjamindees | yeah but more generic I guess, I can try that |
| 05:36.19 | acu | hey guys I have few questions about resolv.conf - is this updated automatically, somehow I change it and when I reboot it going back o the same stuff |
| 05:36.40 | furrywolf | dhcp clients like changing it. |
| 05:37.09 | acu | I mean old 192.168.0.1 though my router is 192.168.1.1 - that is another problem, what is the command to find all the dhcp in the area |
| 05:37.45 | furrywolf | some "desktop environments" include worse-than-useless tools that edit system files, too. |
| 05:38.07 | benjamindees | *cough* avahi |
| 05:38.15 | acu | maybe if I do it in /etc/network/interfaces will do it ? |
| 05:39.28 | raptor67682 | fury: thanks you made this beautfiful handy power max tester : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LjcZgdEn |
| 05:40.01 | raptor67682 | it is pretty interesting to check what max power requires some usbs ... wiht BASH |
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| 05:40.53 | furrywolf | ... huh? if you add something together, then subtract that from what you added together, isn't it always zero? :P |
| 05:41.12 | furrywolf | oh, or are you trying to show how it changes when you plug something? |
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| 05:42.38 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:45.09 | raptor67682 | furrywolf: you helped really a lot lot with you cmd |
| 05:45.13 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.33 | raptor67682 | yeah |
| 05:45.37 | raptor67682 | I optimize |
| 05:45.42 | raptor67682 | tested lot of usb stuffs |
| 05:45.56 | raptor67682 | to check what gives me less, it is already a cool thing |
| 05:46.07 | furrywolf | the last command I gave tells you what is what... heh. |
| 05:46.15 | raptor67682 | I noticed that some webcams annd big usb devices need max 500 |
| 05:46.33 | raptor67682 | but but there are cool mini stuffs that need only max 90 |
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| 05:47.25 | raptor67682 | thanks a lot |
| 05:47.46 | raptor67682 | does anyone know how to check the event of a keyboard ? dev/input$ cat by-id/usb-05a4_9881-event-kbd |
| 05:47.53 | raptor67682 | to let a bash script get that ? |
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| 05:49.27 | raptor67682 | I have a lirc windows media player remote control of 100mA max, that would be a good thing to pilot my Server |
| 05:49.40 | raptor67682 | I had a gamepad before ;) |
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| 05:50.21 | furrywolf | heh, I just checked, and I have one of those devices that mis-reports its power usage. I have a hard drive in a usb enclosure. it powers itself off the usb bus (laptop drive). it reports itself as using 2ma, when it's likely at least 500ma, probably more. this is why you can't tell much with software. |
| 05:51.26 | raptor67682 | I mean a Hub high speed looks like to consume quite a lot of mA ... I will have to check wiht multimeter tomorww |
| 05:51.53 | raptor67682 | could be cool that linux had a db of that |
| 05:52.16 | furrywolf | a hub reports that it _could_ consume that much power, not because it's using it itself, but because you could plug in a device which does. |
| 05:52.25 | furrywolf | the hub probably consumes 20ma or so. |
| 05:52.26 | raptor67682 | people could measure with the multimeter teh acurate value, post it like reportusbpower ;) , and it debian build a db vs. software check |
| 05:52.45 | sl__ | hi, is it possible to use debootstrap to build root file system with upstart as default rather than sysvinit |
| 05:52.49 | raptor67682 | that could be cool that db exists for debian ... reportdbmynewhardwareinfo ;) |
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| 05:53.30 | raptor67682 | furrywolf: 20mA so little, looks rather ok |
| 05:53.37 | furrywolf | I'm sure reporting 2ma while using several hundred times that is not allowed by the usb spec, but many devices do stuff like that. |
| 05:53.41 | benjamindees | maybe you could use an Arduino for that |
| 05:53.43 | raptor67682 | well, I will take days and weeks to study that |
| 05:53.45 | furrywolf | like this hard drive. |
| 05:54.27 | raptor67682 | (i am so late... must gooooo) (see ya furry. all the best) |
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| 05:56.06 | tynach | Hello. I have a Debian Squeeze virtual machine, which I recently effectively moved from one computer to another. The machine is hosted on an Ubuntu system, using qemu-kvm/libvirt. |
| 05:56.17 | tynach | After the transfer to the new machine, I cannot get networking working. |
| 05:56.51 | tynach | When I try to run "ifup eth0", I get: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 05:56.52 | tynach | and |
| 05:57.06 | tynach | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 05:57.19 | tynach | Those two both go back and forth several times, then at the end: |
| 05:57.24 | tynach | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 05:59.06 | benjamindees | driver issue, perhaps missing firmware, try 'lspci|grep Eth' |
| 05:59.06 | acu | tynach: the virtual machine has another eth 1 or 2 etc - so you need to configure right number in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:59.13 | acu | see ip addr |
| 05:59.14 | amphi | tynach: does ifconfig -a show any ethN addresses? |
| 05:59.24 | acu | or /sbin/ifconfig and you will see |
| 05:59.26 | tynach | amphi, no, it just has lo right now. |
| 05:59.41 | acu | guys how can you find what dhcp servers are in the network |
| 05:59.52 | acu | I used to know this - did it and forgot it |
| 05:59.57 | amphi | tynach: does lspci show the 'card'? |
| 06:00.35 | tynach | Yes. |
| 06:00.53 | acu | amphi: that is anyhow a virtual machine the card is virtual, is just renamed from eth0 to eth1 |
| 06:00.57 | acu | or something like this |
| 06:01.01 | tynach | 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Red Hat, Inc Virtio network device |
| 06:01.12 | acu | exact |
| 06:01.22 | tynach | But to the virtual machine, it should be eth0. |
| 06:01.25 | tynach | It was on the old machine. |
| 06:01.34 | tynach | On the host, it's br0. |
| 06:01.37 | acu | tynach: why don't you follow advise ? |
| 06:01.38 | tynach | Or virt0 or something. |
| 06:01.46 | acu | you make me cry |
| 06:01.51 | amphi | heh |
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| 06:01.52 | tynach | acu, how do I find out the right number? |
| 06:01.53 | acu | or you enjoy |
| 06:01.59 | acu | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:02.05 | acu | or ip addr |
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| 06:02.09 | acu | type those |
| 06:02.09 | tynach | You're saying there's more than one network interface on the guest, but there is not. |
| 06:02.19 | tynach | It's only coming up with lo |
| 06:02.21 | tynach | Loopback. |
| 06:02.21 | acu | no, can you read English ? |
| 06:02.29 | acu | Eth0 is renamed as eth1 |
| 06:02.38 | acu | usually |
| 06:02.40 | tynach | ifconfig is only coming up with the loopback address 127.0.0.1. There is no ethanything. |
| 06:03.03 | acu | I see, ok, now this is another problem, means your bridge is messed |
| 06:03.13 | tynach | I can test by making a new virtual machine. |
| 06:03.18 | tynach | But I don't think the bridge is messed. |
| 06:03.32 | acu | change the virtual machine to a virtual network and see what you have - but I just wantto know if the host can browse |
| 06:03.38 | tynach | This seems to be a guest problem, as lspci shows that there is a network card, but ifconfig cannot see it. |
| 06:03.51 | tynach | That sentence made no sense. |
| 06:04.03 | acu | tynach: you move the virtual machine from one host to another ? |
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| 06:04.51 | tynach | Sort of. Before I had Ubuntu 11.10, but I upgraded to 12.04 with a fresh install. I've copied over the old hard drive image from my backup to the new install (same physical system though). |
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| 06:05.03 | acu | too bad if it makes no sense: if you have your ethernet from guest binding to br0 - you place your virtual machine in a "real" network, if you use a virtual LAN , is different the addresses are 192.168.22 something |
| 06:05.06 | tynach | And created a 'new' virtual machine, using that image. |
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| 06:05.24 | tynach | acu, I don't think there is any problem with br0 on my host. |
| 06:05.32 | tynach | The problem appears to be purely within the guest. |
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| 06:05.46 | acu | OK, then your device was different in previous host |
| 06:06.09 | tynach | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But I can't figure out how. |
| 06:06.09 | acu | anyhow I have to leave now |
| 06:06.22 | acu | you can remove it and add a new one |
| 06:06.36 | tynach | That's sorta what I did that caused the problem? |
| 06:06.38 | acu | you should look at original settings |
| 06:07.00 | acu | I mean original host and original VM - just check the settings there |
| 06:07.16 | acu | anyhow I got to go |
| 06:07.18 | acu | see you |
| 06:07.22 | acu | good luck |
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| 06:08.51 | tynach | Looking at the original config, the only difference is the MAC address of the virtual network card. |
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| 06:09.01 | tynach | Could this make Debian think it's seeing an entirely different card, and cough a hairball? |
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| 06:14.22 | civillian | tynach: have you tried ifconfig -a |
| 06:14.24 | tynach | Changing the MAC address to the original did not help. |
| 06:14.38 | civillian | new interfaces will not come up automatically, -a shows all interfaces |
| 06:14.59 | tynach | Huh, that brought up an eth1. |
| 06:15.10 | civillian | try ifconfig eth1 up |
| 06:15.17 | tynach | Is there a way to make it eth0, to make it forget about the 'original' eth0? |
| 06:15.48 | civillian | yep, I can't remember off the top of my head though |
| 06:16.48 | ChrisH | something with persistent-net below /etc/udev/rules.d should keep the secret |
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| 06:17.06 | tynach | Ok, changed eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:17.12 | tynach | Started it up, works now. |
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| 06:24.58 | Donas` | what up bitches !? |
| 06:25.05 | Donas` | :) |
| 06:25.23 | tynach | The ceiling. |
| 06:25.38 | Donas` | woot woot ? :D |
| 06:26.08 | Donas` | so much ppl and no one talking :D |
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| 06:26.57 | tynach | Well, I was talking before, because I had a question. Though we solved the problem (for the most part), so no need to chat anymore. |
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| 06:27.50 | Donas` | okay :D thank you for useless info :DDD |
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| 06:57.51 | netsrot2 | Hi, I'm trying to install kernel 3.4 on debian testing manually, do I need to add --initrd as an argument to make? |
| 07:00.03 | jelly-home | netsrot2: that sounds more like an argument to make-kpkg, than an argument for upstream's Makefile |
| 07:00.35 | netsrot2 | jelly-home: ok, thanks. |
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| 07:02.03 | netsrot2 | The problem I was having was that pwmconfig didn't work on my M4A78LT-M-LE motherboard. |
| 07:02.39 | netsrot2 | So I was thinking the new kernel might have fixed that problem? |
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| 08:02.46 | Moad^Dib | ok ok Why is debian so fucking awesome? |
| 08:02.53 | Moad^Dib | huh? |
| 08:03.10 | Moad^Dib | kline me or answer! |
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| 08:10.32 | unkn-error | when updating, upgrading and installing packages with apt, synaptic and aptitude |
| 08:10.42 | unkn-error | dose the package manager do a check of |
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| 08:11.10 | unkn-error | if the downloaded archive/packages are saine? |
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| 08:25.22 | jelly-home | Moad^Dib: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 08:38.47 | unkn-error | when updating, upgrading and installing packages with apt, synaptic and aptitude dose the package manager do a check (of hash, md5 or sha etc.) to see if the downloaded archive/packages are saine(healthly)? |
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| 08:39.05 | ompaul | yes |
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| 08:45.03 | Sevet | unwn-error: yes it does |
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| 08:48.57 | bfig | hello, what is the log file for disk errors? i'm getting some weird disk lag and i want to make sure everything is in order |
| 08:49.44 | bfig | i keep hearing a small 'spring' going on and on inside the laptop, and it doesn't come from the speakers |
| 08:49.52 | nsadmin | there;s smart monitoring; look into it. you may have to set something up |
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| 08:50.43 | pjc_ | bfig: disk errors are normally in dmesg or syslog |
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| 08:52.40 | Guest3627 | I have a question that i thought someone here may know about. I have a number of old desktop computers and I'd like to install linux and turn them into servers. but I want to make the file system shared so that people with home folders located in different computers can access them by ssh'ing into one ip address. (as if they are one server) I'm not sure where to start. can anyone suggest me some keywords? |
| 08:53.39 | nsadmin | this is for one house? |
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| 08:53.55 | Guest3627 | my school |
| 08:54.02 | Sevet | NFS or samba |
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| 08:54.46 | Guest3627 | and if I want each user to have a public_html page and make it accessible through domain.tld/~user/, what should I look up? |
| 08:54.52 | jelly | Guest3627: if you want to present all the disk space as one /home, you'll probably want some sort of a distributed filesystem |
| 08:54.54 | Guest3627 | folder* |
| 08:55.08 | Sevet | generally though the home area would be on a central server and you'd access them from the other computers, not the other way around |
| 08:55.08 | liznevada | so i found this old network walkman on my useless stuff box, it have 1gb which surely was impressive back then, but dude now is like a floppy disk, well the little piece of ... supports atrac but you know the sofware used is windowze only, so TL:DR, anyone know an alternative for SonicStage, i mean for transcode to atract and transfer to the device |
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| 08:56.15 | Guest3627 | hmm |
| 08:56.17 | Guest3627 | thanks! |
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| 08:58.25 | liznevada | i would run it using wine, but the d*** software is like it were writed by monkeys and it just fails to work properly |
| 08:58.41 | johnf | If package percona-mysql-common provides mysql-common and then package foo requires mysql-common > 5.0. Will percona-mysql-common satisfy the dependency or do you need to have a real package as soon as a version is specified? |
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| 09:07.52 | themill | johnf: yep, a versioned dependency can only be satisfied by a real package not by a Provides. |
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| 09:08.08 | johnf | themill: that's what I though. Thanks for confirming |
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| 09:16.58 | unkn-error | will be a problem if the swap partition will gonna have more than 4 G on a 32 bit system? |
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| 09:18.53 | themill | unkn-error: that will work fine (I assume you'll be using a -pae or -bigmem kernel with that amount of memory) |
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| 09:23.49 | unkn-error | well, the ram will gonna be very low |
| 09:23.55 | unkn-error | as 256 ram |
| 09:24.14 | unkn-error | this is why I wish to make the swap with the size of 6 gb |
| 09:24.29 | themill | umm... that's really not going to end well |
| 09:26.08 | nicknock | why do you want to make the swap so large? |
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| 09:31.41 | dym | Hey all - im having a problem booting a system with mdraid - gpt partition tables and grub 2. Here some output: http://paste.debian.net/170923/ Grub simply stops at: "GRUB" |
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| 09:33.28 | liznevada | is there a way to enco |
| 09:33.57 | liznevada | *encode atract3 files on *nix? |
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| 09:34.52 | cusco | liznevada: sox |
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| 09:37.24 | ChrisH | dym: is your initramfs aware of the mirrors and stuff? can you install a new kernel while booted from CD? |
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| 09:38.52 | dym | ChrisH: im booted via a rescue system and yes i installed an up2date kernel before rebooting :) |
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| 09:39.11 | dym | as in: yes, in rescue i can do anything |
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| 09:40.20 | ChrisH | dym: just to confirm. 1. setup mirror 2. update grub 3. install kernel? GIven that, my ideas are gone.. |
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| 09:40.56 | dym | ChrisH: yeah. what i was wondering: when using mdraid is it allright to have /boot as a mirrored raid device and boot from it? |
| 09:41.10 | dym | cause oddly i dont see anything on syslog when i reboot into rescue to see the errors.. |
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| 09:44.38 | ChrisH | dym: /dev/md0 183M 57M 117M 33% /boot |
| 09:44.57 | ChrisH | dym: I am running it that way, too on different installations. |
| 09:45.02 | dym | grub2? |
| 09:45.16 | dym | ChrisH: GPT too? |
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| 09:47.15 | ChrisH | dym: just checked.. no to both. |
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| 09:48.25 | bfig | whenever i'm writing in the console (i'm using tilda) i get this weird beep sounds and the console freezes for a second and a half or so. any idea what could be? |
| 09:49.21 | bfig | i'm getting the beeps regardless of whether i'm writing, but when i'm writing they are much more frequent, and the only place where they perceivably alter performance is in the console: this is almost unbearable |
| 09:49.50 | petemc | bfig: so it happens even when you're not using the keyboard? |
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| 09:50.23 | bfig | petemc, that is a good question. i suppose it doesn't, but then nothing happens in the pc |
| 09:50.41 | petemc | !bell |
| 09:50.41 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 09:50.49 | petemc | try that setterm command |
| 09:51.19 | bfig | but this just started to happen right now |
| 09:51.25 | bfig | no update on my part or anything |
| 09:51.41 | bfig | tries |
| 09:51.48 | bfig | but the freezes will still be there i guess |
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| 09:53.05 | ChrisH | bfig: does it freeze on tab.completion attempts? |
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| 09:53.32 | bfig | ChrisH, don't think so |
| 09:53.42 | bfig | petemc, the noise is still happening |
| 09:54.06 | bfig | it sounds like a small very strong spring |
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| 09:55.12 | suborbital | bfig: alsa? |
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| 09:55.35 | bfig | tries muting master |
| 09:55.36 | suborbital | sorry i didnt catch your whole question |
| 09:55.59 | bfig | suborbital, i'm hearing a weird springy clicky sound somewhere below my keyboard |
| 09:56.15 | bfig | i am not completely sure it comes from the speakers (it doesn't come from the bell apparently) |
| 09:56.31 | suborbital | you're keyboard is grounding something out then or computer |
| 09:57.02 | suborbital | that signal noise is comiing from a loose wire |
| 09:57.13 | suborbital | alsa does not make mistakes |
| 09:57.50 | suborbital | possibly you sound driver is not 100% FOSS either |
| 09:57.55 | suborbital | s/you/your |
| 09:59.00 | bfig | what does open source have to do with anything |
| 09:59.10 | suborbital | lol everything |
| 09:59.15 | bfig | also muting master is not making a difference |
| 09:59.28 | bfig | ie, it is a hardware sound |
| 09:59.30 | suborbital | closed hardware means hardwork for porters |
| 09:59.38 | bfig | now i'm getting a bit concerned |
| 09:59.53 | suborbital | yes if you are running closed harware then you should be |
| 09:59.54 | bfig | i feel like my computer is a ticking bomb |
| 10:00.04 | suborbital | then buy new parts? |
| 10:00.07 | bfig | why are you trolling me |
| 10:00.20 | suborbital | me? im trying to help you |
| 10:00.34 | suborbital | if you fail to see that then |
| 10:00.37 | suborbital | ill leave |
| 10:00.39 | suborbital | gn |
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| 10:00.50 | bfig | you're complaining about open source, i'm trying to figure out where the sound is coming from |
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| 10:01.14 | bfig | so what the heck was that |
| 10:01.39 | bfig | petemc, no bell, no speaker, still i can hear the sound |
| 10:02.51 | bfig | it seems to be related to the hdd, whenever i scroll down a file, whenever i :w, and a lot of similar things |
| 10:03.13 | pjc_ | bfig: seems like you have it solved so |
| 10:03.35 | bfig | pjc_, what do you mean? |
| 10:04.18 | pjc_ | bfig: other then a cdrom drive the only other hardware with moving parts is the hdd |
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| 10:04.37 | pjc_ | in a laptop that is |
| 10:04.50 | bfig | think i'm gonna backup asap |
| 10:05.15 | bfig | but i'd like to know what the sound means |
| 10:05.38 | bfig | is there something like a 'weird hdd noise database' ? |
| 10:05.51 | pjc_ | bfig: my guess is the laptop took a knock |
| 10:06.16 | bfig | possibly |
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| 10:06.20 | pjc_ | scratched the disk and the reader head is now knackered |
| 10:06.38 | pjc_ | or will be soon |
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| 10:06.55 | bfig | http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php :) |
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| 10:07.05 | pjc_ | do you own the laptop? |
| 10:07.14 | pjc_ | you should know if it was dropped etc |
| 10:07.20 | pjc_ | anyway this is off topic |
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| 10:08.13 | babilen | bfig: IBM Deathstars had a "click of death" some years ago. It might OTOH just be that your hdd is constantly spinning up and down in order to safe energy. Are you on AC or on battery? Does it happen if you set "hdparm /dev/FOO -S 7200" and "hdparm /dev/foo -B 255" ? |
| 10:08.44 | g3orge | hi, my system is freezing for some time when I'm copying stuff to an external drive. Not the entire system, just the copy process. Gnome 3.2.1. any ideas? |
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| 10:09.16 | babilen | bfig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwadUc5T4V4 (oooh, the memories) |
| 10:09.18 | boudiccas | g3orge: leave it alone and it will complete, sounds perfectly normal |
| 10:09.39 | bfig | how can i check my hdd brand? |
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| 10:10.24 | boudiccas | babilen: didnt the 'click of death' just refer to zip drives? |
| 10:10.26 | ed8 | hi, how do I disable an account without deleting it ? |
| 10:10.27 | g3orge | boudiccas: yes. it eventually completes, but I don't think that's normal. it freezes when the status bar is at the end and it takes *some* time... |
| 10:10.54 | babilen | boudiccas: No, hdds -- Check the video. |
| 10:11.26 | babilen | bfig: "hdparm -i /dev/FOO" (where /dev/FOO is something like /dev/sda (i.e. the device node)) or use hwinfo or .. |
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| 10:12.19 | babilen | g3orge: I guess that it is actually syncing the data to the stick - I can see that quite frequently and is IMHO rather a problem with the way the status bar is implemented than the actual copy process. |
| 10:12.58 | babilen | g3orge: It *might* be a symptom of a real problem, but you would have to check it on different systems and compare the behaviour. |
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| 10:15.13 | vespakoen | Hey guys, just got my Raspberry Pi =D It has the debian image on it, which is perfectly fine, but there is not X tool to configure my network connection, how would i set it up manually? |
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| 10:18.40 | Cottus | usually configuring ethernet only requires some dhcp client, while wireless something like wicd, i don't know if that helps |
| 10:19.55 | bfig | now i connected the power cord and it stopped making the sound |
| 10:21.01 | Woet | vespakoen: nano /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 10:22.44 | Mike1 | hi folks! Why does my keyboard repeat rate reset itself everytime I plug in my external keyboard? |
| 10:22.49 | bfig | babilen, it could be the energy thing coupled with the disk being on the verge of self destruction |
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| 10:24.47 | babilen | bfig: Ok -- I guess that it is merely spinning up and down. Do you use laptop-mode? Could you show me the output of "smartctl -a /dev/FOO" (e.g. /dev/sda) to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:24.51 | babilen | s/to/on |
| 10:24.53 | vespakoen | Woet, will check that, thanks |
| 10:25.11 | bfig | babilen, without the power cord attached? |
| 10:25.42 | bfig | i've got no smartctl |
| 10:26.32 | bfig | should i download smartmontools? |
| 10:26.43 | bfig | is installing |
| 10:27.42 | babilen | bfig: You don't need to disconnect the power cord. And yeah, installing smartmontools is the right thing to do :) |
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| 10:28.34 | bfig | babilen, http://hpaste.org/68948 |
| 10:28.39 | bfig | thanks for helping :) |
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| 10:31.59 | babilen | bfig: That looks fine (all values are within normal parameters) -- You could run a self-test later (read "man smartctl" on "-t" (i.e. TEST)) but lets start with my spinning up/down assumption. Do you use laptop-mode and/or hdparm? |
| 10:32.15 | bfig | i'm reading the manpage as we speak |
| 10:32.31 | bfig | babilen, let's say i have no idea what those commands do |
| 10:32.37 | bfig | and i never fine tuned my hdd performance |
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| 10:34.06 | bfig | well, i feel a lot better knowing the hdd is not about to die |
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| 10:35.09 | jackweb | Hello! How to save `iwconfig wlan0 power off` in /etc/network/interfaces? I've added the entry `wireless-power off` in `iface wlan0 inet dhcp`, but I have to run the command on my own in order to make power off. |
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| 10:36.26 | babilen | bfig: Yeah, don't worry (for now) -- Is laptop-mode or hdparm installed? (dpkg -l laptop-mode hdparm) |
| 10:36.50 | bfig | hdparm yes, laptop-mode no |
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| 10:38.59 | babilen | bfig: Ok -- Could you disconnect your power cord and run "hdparm /dev/sda -S 7200" and "hdparm /dev/sda -B 255" (adjust /dev/sda if necessary) -- does it still happen? |
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| 10:40.20 | shellox | hi, how can i prevent a package from being removed? |
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| 10:40.58 | boudiccas | i'm loading 1729 mp3s to audio disk in k3b and its taken nearly an hour so far and its still not completed. is k3b transcoding it at the same time please? |
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| 10:42.34 | bfig | babilen, it's not making any noises now |
| 10:42.42 | boudiccas | project2501a: morning george |
| 10:42.43 | babilen | bfig: After setting those values? |
| 10:42.44 | bfig | after i connected the power cord (now it is not connected) |
| 10:42.46 | bfig | very weird |
| 10:43.02 | bfig | no no, i wanted to make sure i could still hear the sounds before touching the settings |
| 10:43.07 | bfig | but i can't :| |
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| 10:43.38 | babilen | bfig: Hmm :-/ -- It might take a while for the drive to enter "power safe mode" -- I am not entirely sure what handles power consumption on your box, but I think that your performance and noise issue stems from the drive being a bit too aggressive in trying to safe power. |
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| 10:44.18 | bfig | ok, i'll remember hdparm and try that next time something like this happens |
| 10:44.31 | bfig | also smartctl looks like a cool tool :) |
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| 10:45.08 | bfig | gonna have to learn to use it better. i don't know much about disks though, i should learn a bit more about hardware |
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| 10:45.15 | bfig | thanks for everything :) |
| 10:45.34 | babilen | bfig: Well -- Those commands adjust the power safe settings of your drive, but we should figure out what changes them in the first place. What is the output of "hdparm -B /dev/sda" ? |
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| 10:46.08 | shellox | ah got it |
| 10:46.12 | bfig | /dev/sda: |
| 10:46.13 | bfig | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.13 | bfig | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.15 | shellox | aptitude hold packages |
| 10:46.21 | bfig | (power cord attached) |
| 10:46.32 | bfig | /dev/sda: |
| 10:46.33 | bfig | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.37 | bfig | without power cord |
| 10:46.37 | babilen | bfig: And my commands earlier were broken -- It is "hdparm -S 7200 /dev/sda" and "hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda" or "hdparm -B 255 -S 7200 /dev/sda" (wrong order) |
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| 10:47.32 | bfig | ok, now i can hear the sound again |
| 10:47.38 | babilen | bfig: See how it changes? You can read about the meaning of 127 and 254 in "man hdparm" -- But the interpretation of those values is drive specific and some drives (mine included) interpret 127 a bit too aggressively. Which DE do you use (if at all) ? |
| 10:47.42 | bfig | so you say the problem is spindown |
| 10:47.51 | bfig | yes, i just read. i'll try setting to 128 and see what happens |
| 10:47.56 | bfig | DE? |
| 10:48.21 | babilen | desktop environment |
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| 10:49.08 | bfig | xfce4 |
| 10:49.19 | bfig | i've never heard this kind of noises before |
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| 10:51.11 | babilen | bfig: I know near to nothing about xfce -- but I would play with hdparm when the error/noise occurs. Once you know that it is related to the power management of the drive we can work on that. I don't experience that problem *anymore* (on sid with a much newer kernel and completely different software), but had to adjust "BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=1" in /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf (which *I* use for power management) to "BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=254" |
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| 10:51.43 | nsadmin | btw xfce-4.10 is pretty easy to build in squeeze |
| 10:51.56 | babilen | bfig: "My" noises sounded very much like something spinning up and down -- A short high-pitched "woooOO000" probably describes it well. |
| 10:52.05 | bfig | yes |
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| 10:52.49 | bfig | i haven't heard any more noises with hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda |
| 10:53.02 | bfig | also no more weird console lag :) |
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| 10:53.22 | babilen | bfig: Are you sure that laptop mode is not installed? What does "aptitude search laptop-mode" give you? |
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| 10:53.43 | linduxed | oh |
| 10:53.45 | linduxed | how nice |
| 10:53.48 | linduxed | Current status: 355 updates [+354], 20472 new [+637]. |
| 10:54.04 | bfig | p laptop-mode-tools - Tools for Power Savings based on battery/AC status <- babilen |
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| 10:54.48 | babilen | bfig: Ok -- Can you play with the settings in xfce4-power-manager-setting ? What does "xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/spin-down-on-battery" give you? |
| 10:55.05 | koobs | Hi, how can i get a list of socket queue lengths ? as in, socket_set_opt backlog lengths |
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| 10:55.45 | koobs | On freebsd ive got netstat -aL , output like this: http://codepad.org/WHM8jn5N |
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| 10:58.45 | darsie | hi! Which debian do you recommend for a library for lending to people? 32 or 64 bit? 8 DVD or CDs? |
| 10:59.19 | Mike1 | darsie: 32 and 64bit and only the first CD for the installation ;) |
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| 11:00.48 | babilen | Mike1: The problem with CD1 is that it does not contain all the packages that are needed for a complete Gnome install. (not sure about KDE) -- E.g. network-manager-gnome is missing. I would therefore *either* recommend the netinstall *with* firmware. (/msg dpkg firmware images) or DVD1 (most people have DVD drives these days. |
| 11:01.00 | babilen | darsie: ^^^ |
| 11:01.23 | bfig | babilen, Property "/xfce4-power-manager/spin-down-on-battery" does not exist on channel "xfce4-power-manager". |
| 11:01.38 | bfig | i have xfce4-power-manager installed i think, it is the battery in the system tray right? |
| 11:01.43 | darsie | I thought a more complete set might make sense for ppl w/o internet. |
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| 11:02.11 | babilen | bfig: Ok, I must have followed some old documentation then. I think is is getting quite XFCE specific and we might want to take it to #xfce -- See also http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/preferences |
| 11:03.05 | babilen | bfig: Could you try to run "xfce4-power-manager-setting" and adjust the settings? Is it possible to influence the spin-down behaviour of the hdd? |
| 11:03.17 | bfig | let me try... |
| 11:03.38 | bfig | ok, yes |
| 11:03.42 | bfig | i deactivated spindown |
| 11:03.46 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 11:04.05 | bfig | hdparm seemed to work already though |
| 11:04.06 | bfig | :) |
| 11:04.49 | Mike1 | darsie: where are you from? Here in Austria I can’t imagine anyone not having an internet connection |
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| 11:05.41 | darsie | ok, and what about 32/64 bit? last time I asked someone recommenden 32 bit because there were not so many packages for 64 bit. |
| 11:06.03 | babilen | bfig: Sure, but the hdparm setting will be lost after a reboot or if XFCE decides to adjust it again. I think it is obvious that you will now suffer from higher energy consumption as your drive will *never* spin down. You could play with the "-S" setting of hdparm (which sets the spindown timeout, but I am not sure if the XFCE power manager allows you to control that as well. |
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| 11:06.35 | jelly | good heavens, someone _wants_ to spin disks down? |
| 11:06.53 | babilen | bfig: Typically not - But it probably saves energy. |
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| 11:07.00 | babilen | s/bfig/jelly |
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| 11:07.14 | elmargol | I try to forward X11 over ssh -X markus@debian.lan I get this error messages http://pastebin.com/keM7iqwj can someone give me a hint what is wrong? |
| 11:07.15 | ChrisH | jelly: On a Laptop to save the last quarter Watt of Energy? |
| 11:07.26 | jelly | babilen: it also makes disks die sooner |
| 11:07.29 | babilen | bfig: I would say that we fixed the problem and that you have sensible settings now. |
| 11:07.32 | babilen | jelly: Indeed |
| 11:07.34 | Mike1 | I’ve never managed to keep my HDD in spindown for more than a minute or so |
| 11:07.55 | babilen | likewise ^^ |
| 11:08.50 | babilen | wonders if it makes sense to file a bug against xfce-power-manager to request that the spindown default is changed to "never spin down" |
| 11:09.00 | darsie | Mike1: Austria, yes. you may be right. but if everyone is assumed to have internet, then they could get debian from the net. Well, they might need to burn a CD, and have long download time on slow connections. |
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| 11:10.09 | Mike1 | darsie: for such cases all the CDs/DVDs might indeed make sense |
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| 11:10.27 | babilen | darsie: I would make the full DVD set + firmware netinstall available in a single bundle + printed installation guide. (or just order a set from one of http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/) |
| 11:11.42 | babilen | darsie: Speaking of ordering ... Throw in a copy of http://debian-handbook.info/ and people have everything they need to get started with Debian (and keep going) |
| 11:12.51 | darsie | babilen: I want to suggest to order a set. A self made set would be a security risk (which could be said about ordered sets, too) |
| 11:13.14 | darsie | babilen: shall they order a 32 or 64 bit set? |
| 11:13.16 | babilen | People can always verify the checksums. |
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| 11:14.12 | jelly | babilen: their choice of publisher is unfortunate, on-demand printing from lulu is quite expensive |
| 11:14.14 | babilen | darsie: I would personally prefer the amd64 set (and Debian is currently thinking about making it the default and eventually dropping i386 in many years) -- Throw in a 32bit netinstall or the 32bit/64bit multiarch netinstall and it should be fine. |
| 11:14.23 | bfig | babilen, :). thanks for everything |
| 11:14.35 | babilen | jelly: Oh, I haven't really investigated that. How much would it be? |
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| 11:14.58 | elmargol | problem solved adding AddressFamily inet to to sshd conf |
| 11:14.58 | babilen | bfig: You are most welcome. Enjoy your spin-down-free experience (and stop worrying about the drive) |
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| 11:15.19 | bfig | :) |
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| 11:15.36 | bfig | goes back to programming his opengl 1.1 app >_> |
| 11:15.52 | jelly | babilen: if they went and printed a small run like 2000 books from elsewhere, the price could go 30% down |
| 11:16.30 | babilen | jelly: Uh, thirty quid ... That is quite expensive and it takes a while to be shipped too. The quality is probably also not as high as with other publishers (such as oreilly, ...) |
| 11:16.46 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 11:19.27 | jelly | print and bind it :-| |
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| 11:26.18 | jasox | Did anyone successfully run unity 3d engine in virtual machine on linux ? |
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| 11:44.56 | pav5088 | Is anyone else seeing problems with security.debian.org? |
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| 11:48.54 | MartyMacFly | i have a headless debian server. Now i want to install some GUI-Tools to use them remote. How can i prevent aptitude from installing the x-server on my headless box? |
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| 11:49.11 | ompaul | pav5088: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ |
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| 11:50.36 | nkuttler | MartyMacFly: you don't have to |
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| 11:51.42 | MartyMacFly | nkuttler: but i want to. |
| 11:52.08 | ompaul | MartyMacFly: install the application, but if you install something that depends on X you will get X |
| 11:52.17 | ompaul | else it can't be installed correctly |
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| 11:53.46 | tawtwa | is it possible to 'snapshot' the network configurations? |
| 11:54.02 | tawtwa | like if i run ifconfig eth0 blablabla can i somehow snapshot that into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:54.37 | nkuttler | MartyMacFly: have a look at the deps that get installed when you install your app. |
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| 11:56.14 | pav5088 | ompaul, what's the go? Is that the new security repo? |
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| 11:56.29 | MartyMacFly | nkuttler: gksu was recommended...when i remove this, half of the deps are gone. TY |
| 11:56.48 | ompaul | pav5088: if you stick it into your repo it should work no it's just how you get there using a browser |
| 11:57.07 | ompaul | pav5088: the right repo is security.debian.org |
| 11:57.42 | ompaul | pav5088: the http will work in apt-get world |
| 11:58.14 | pav5088 | ompaul, I'm just having some severe slowness issues ftp.debian.org is fine though... so I guess that means the constriction is probably not at my end. |
| 11:58.28 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.01 | ompaul | pav5088: ahh well it looks ok to me somewhere there's a packet hitting a socket etc |
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| 12:02.40 | pav5088 | ompaul, I can see the website fine... just downloads are CRAWLING |
| 12:03.10 | pav5088 | ompaul, I saw this today at another site on another ISP... very strange. |
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| 12:08.49 | ompaul | pav5088: I have no such difficulties |
| 12:08.51 | ompaul | IcanDivideBy0: no |
| 12:08.54 | devmikey | IcanDivideBy0: it sucks |
| 12:09.01 | IcanDivideBy0 | ah ? |
| 12:09.17 | IcanDivideBy0 | tring to get it works on wine-1.4 |
| 12:09.22 | ompaul | hits IcanDivideBy0 over the head with a / |
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| 12:11.34 | ksk | it does not suck! |
| 12:11.35 | ksk | :p |
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| 12:12.11 | ksk | but freenode seems to be the wrong network for such a serious topic |
| 12:12.32 | devmikey | yes it sucks |
| 12:12.45 | ompaul | #debian on freenode is no place for such trivial messing |
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| 12:13.49 | g00se | Can some kind soul who uses the squeeze package of phpmyadmin please point me in the right direction as it looks like quite a mess. I think it's installed (there was a lot of 'business') but since there appears to be virtually no man pages, i don't know how it's meant to work with Apache or if requires further setup |
| 12:14.08 | ksk | if you want to run it using debian stable and wine, sure it is :> |
| 12:14.29 | ksk | g00se: the package should configure your webserver so you can use it. try "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" |
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| 12:14.41 | devmikey | ksk: I'll explain it to you in #defocus-uncensored |
| 12:15.11 | g00se | ksk: i'll give that a go - is the upshot meant to be obvious? |
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| 12:16.07 | ksk | you should be able to set it up using dpkg-reconfigure it thats what you meant |
| 12:17.21 | g00se | ksk: This time it gave me the option of choosing a webserver - it didn't before. I'm still unsure as to what url it's meant to be using for the UI |
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| 12:19.14 | wave | hmm, #debian-next seems to be invite only |
| 12:19.19 | wave | is it just for developers? |
| 12:19.56 | nkuttler | wave: oftc, different network |
| 12:20.20 | ksk | g00se: should be yourdomain/phpmyadmin |
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| 12:20.28 | wave | nkuttler: oki, thank you |
| 12:20.36 | ksk | you can change this in /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin (if using apache) |
| 12:20.44 | g00se | ksk: http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ seems to work thanks |
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| 12:20.57 | ksk | I suggest you setup a ssl connection if you want to access it via the net |
| 12:21.08 | ksk | s/connection/vhost/ |
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| 12:45.38 | joar | what's the package name for glibc in debian wheezy? |
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| 12:46.34 | jelly | joar: it's been libc6 for the last 15 years, why do you ask? |
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| 12:47.00 | joar | jelly: It's my first time having to look for it. Thank you ;) |
| 12:47.23 | joar | I was distracted by glibc and eglibc along the way, but none of them made sense. |
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| 12:48.18 | gringoire | Heya, quick question, trying to set up a VPN but the add button in network manager is grayed out |
| 12:48.45 | jelly | joar: the source package's called eglibc. http://packages.debian.org/src:eglibc -- now look at the myriad binary debs build from it |
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| 12:49.22 | gringoire | And I have network-manager-pptp installed. Using xfce/awesome, doesn't work in either |
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| 12:50.52 | g00se | ksk: it seems to run but for some reason, phpmyadmin has ignored all the other dbs already installed, i.e. the ones i want to admin |
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| 12:55.38 | andiolsi | hi, is there someone here who would say: "yes, acpi_memhotplug in debian squeeze is working perfectly for me" |
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| 13:04.19 | Woet | andiolsi: are you using 64 bit? |
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| 13:05.34 | recyc | I ve a privat webserver. when i connect with ftp i join my home directory. from that i can join from /home/user/www to => /var/www/website1. i used mount --bind /var/www/website1 /home/user/www as command that has been worked for a half year. however the link didnt work yesterday so i decied to unmount it with unmount /var/www/website1 |
| 13:05.49 | recyc | now all my files are gone. how can i restore it |
| 13:05.59 | Woet | recyc: why are you using mount instead of symlinks? |
| 13:06.00 | recyc | why are thefiles are gone after an unmount? |
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| 13:06.21 | recyc | proftp doesnt work with symlinks if there are more than 1 partitions http://www.proftpd.org/localsite/Userguide/linked/chroot-symlinks.html |
| 13:06.21 | ChrisH | andiolsi,Woet What is acpi_hotmemplug used for? something analog to Solaris Dynamic Reconfiguration for online HW swap? |
| 13:06.52 | Woet | recyc: so you decided that to work around permission issues is to create a mess with mount? |
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| 13:08.06 | recyc | if you connect with an ftp client you wont see a symlink. proftp says you have to use that. however why are all my files gone? |
| 13:08.17 | ChrisH | recyc: can you pastebin df -h; cat /proc/mounts ;ls -ld /var /var/www /var/www/website1 /home/user /home/user/www |
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| 13:09.41 | andiolsi | ChrisH: it allows for adding ram while the system is online |
| 13:09.57 | andiolsi | but the 2.6 kernel ignores the first 128megs |
| 13:10.03 | andiolsi | the wheezy kernel does not |
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| 13:10.34 | ChrisH | andiolsi: OK. Which typically for Linux used HW does allow such an operation? |
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| 13:10.46 | andiolsi | ChrisH: vmware |
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| 13:11.03 | andiolsi | xen, kvm too i guess |
| 13:11.07 | ChrisH | andiolsi: why was I expecting that answer :) |
| 13:11.59 | andiolsi | because "virtualization" is usually the answer for every question along the lines of: "what would that ever be used for?" |
| 13:12.35 | andiolsi | it just bugs the hell out of me |
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| 13:12.51 | pullover | hey guys |
| 13:12.57 | pullover | i've a problem |
| 13:12.58 | andiolsi | and i cant use 3.x kernel because neither the open vm nor the vmware tools are compatible |
| 13:13.18 | pullover | is there any application for digital archiving ? |
| 13:13.22 | ChrisH | andiolsi: I know that feature for years for CPU, PCI Cards and also memoryboards on Sun HW as dynamic configuration. Used to online replace a faulty CPU without shutting down the whole platform. |
| 13:13.24 | andiolsi | at least not with vmmemctl, and that is needed for balooning ... arrrrgh |
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| 13:13.46 | pullover | ? |
| 13:14.13 | fabiobik | hi guys, im getting trouble when i try to use pcscd lite with my omnikey 5321 |
| 13:14.13 | ChrisH | pullover: cp file to external disk ? |
| 13:14.15 | fabiobik | Open Port 200000 Failed (usb:076b/5321:libusb:002) |
| 13:14.18 | andiolsi | ChrisH: meh, decent hardware, i am used to destroying my servers when sticking in memory when they are online :p |
| 13:14.24 | fabiobik | what i can do _ |
| 13:14.51 | pullover | ChrisH: it must be a user support , categories support [ it's commercial purphose] |
| 13:15.21 | andiolsi | pullover: maybe trueimage has a linux agent |
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| 13:16.15 | pullover | No due i dont want to backup system files or etc... |
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| 13:16.36 | fabiobik | Open Port 200000 Failed (usb:076b/5321:libusb:002) whati cand do_ |
| 13:16.37 | andiolsi | "everything is file" |
| 13:16.42 | andiolsi | a file ... |
| 13:16.42 | pullover | i have a 4 diffrent location |
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| 13:17.01 | AndreaITPN | hi everyone |
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| 13:17.23 | recyc | ChrisH: here my pastebin http://pastebin.com/gzZySxmA |
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| 13:18.28 | AndreaITPN | If I "update-rc.d xxxx defaults 30" it put S19 priority instead 30, why? I'm running debian 6 amd64 |
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| 13:22.44 | ChrisH | recyc: I am not sure, but in /proc/mounts sda6 is mounted to both places, /home and /var/www/website1; from your explanation there should only be one mount. But I never used --bind mount before. |
| 13:23.44 | pullover | i am looking this type application. for http://www.midasplatform.org/ |
| 13:23.46 | Sanjuro | anyone know where I would begin looking to enable the function keys on my keyboard (brightness, wifi toggle, etc). I'm using xfce |
| 13:24.52 | Sanjuro | guessing this wouldnt even be debian related since its xfce ill try their chan |
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| 13:26.08 | Azrael | hey folks, i'm trying to use update-rc.d to change the priority for a service. i'd like it to be the last to start on boot and the first to stop on shutdown. |
| 13:26.31 | Azrael | # update-rc.d exabgp defaults 99 01 |
| 13:26.32 | Azrael | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 13:27.12 | Azrael | yet nothing gets changed. exabgp still exists with S17 and K02, which i also have no idea where that was taken from, since thats not defined in the exabgp init script itself. |
| 13:27.26 | fabiobik | unrecognized options: --disable-libhal, --enable-runpid |
| 13:27.32 | fabiobik | what is this |
| 13:27.33 | Azrael | does update-rc.d typically have issues reassigining priorities of start/stop services? |
| 13:28.06 | fabiobik | im trying to compile pcscd-lite with this /configure --disable-libhal --enable-libusb --enable-usbdropdir=/usr/lib/pcsc/drivers/ --enable-ipcdir=/var/run/pcscd/ --prefix=/usr/ --enable-runpid=/var/run/pcscd/pcscd.pid |
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| 13:31.10 | curiousgeorge | hi, is anyone involved with dash development here? |
| 13:31.49 | ksk | curiousgeorge: ask your question? :> |
| 13:32.15 | curiousgeorge | dash doesn't seem to handle echoing over multiple lines correctly. |
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| 13:34.45 | recyc | ChrisH: i remounted the /home/user/www to /var/www/website1 to upload the backup. so you dont have a suggestions what happend to the files after unmount /var/www/website1 |
| 13:34.55 | curiousgeorge | Unless I'm missing something, this is quite a major oversight. I want to make sure I haven't missed something obvious: http://pastebin.com/9tHgch2s |
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| 13:35.35 | parabyte | hi anyone available for a chat about wheezy |
| 13:35.39 | parabyte | im having glx issue |
| 13:35.43 | parabyte | weird issue at that |
| 13:35.45 | parabyte | iv never had before |
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| 13:36.14 | parabyte | from what i can tell the libgl1-mesa-dri libs are not being reconised. im not even getting software mesa opengl |
| 13:36.21 | ksk | curiousgeorge: what happens and what do you expect instead? if i do like your pastebin says the output contains a linebreak(or CR, whatever) |
| 13:36.21 | parabyte | wondering anyone can point me in the right direction |
| 13:36.33 | parabyte | iv tried ldconfig |
| 13:37.07 | parabyte | glxinfo is giving me name of display: :0.0 |
| 13:37.07 | parabyte | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
| 13:37.33 | curiousgeorge | ksk: for me, as the pastebin shows, echo doesn't output anything at all. |
| 13:37.44 | parabyte | so no software rendering aswell. iv never hit this issue before, iv removed and reinstalled the libgl1-mesa-dri package but to no success |
| 13:37.47 | parabyte | am i missing any more libs? |
| 13:37.57 | curiousgeorge | ksk: it should print "roses are red\nviolets are blue" |
| 13:38.07 | curiousgeorge | ksk: with the \n interpreted of course |
| 13:38.08 | ksk | curiousgeorge: works for me in stable and testing |
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| 13:38.58 | curiousgeorge | ksk: I'm not on debian but i'm using 0.5.6.1 compiled with libedit. |
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| 13:44.27 | curiousgeorge | ksk: I'm going to try the latest snapshop |
| 13:45.46 | ChrisH | recyc: short answer: no as I never used bind mounts before |
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| 13:47.27 | fabiobik | what can i do with this 00474810 readerfactory.c:1050:RFInitializeReader() Open Port 200000 Failed (usb:076b/5321:libusb:002) |
| 13:48.47 | ChrisH | fabiobik: check google, tons of matches |
| 13:49.09 | fabiobik | ChrisH: i dont think so |
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| 13:49.27 | ChrisH | fabiobik: readerfactory.c:1050:RFInitializeReader 322 matches found |
| 13:49.57 | fabiobik | ChrisH: yeh ive put all string |
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| 13:50.10 | ksk | which manpage to consult regarding apt-pinning/using apts preferences file? |
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| 13:50.43 | syslq | ksk: I'd say man apt-conf |
| 13:50.47 | syslq | apt.conf |
| 13:50.54 | ksk | thanks |
| 13:51.14 | ksk | "man apt_preferences" |
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| 13:51.36 | syslq | ksk: man -k apt will list you anything remotely relevant |
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| 13:52.16 | ksk | good idea, thanks again |
| 13:52.26 | syslq | ksk: you're welcome |
| 13:52.34 | curiousgeorge | ksk: lastest snapshot is working correctly. I guess my old version had a bug. |
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| 13:52.50 | ksk | nice ;) |
| 13:53.13 | curiousgeorge | ksk: thanks for the help. |
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| 13:54.38 | AllStruck | syslq: I hadn't seen man -k before, looks just like apropos |
| 13:55.03 | syslq | AllStruck: it is |
| 13:55.12 | syslq | AllStruck: they do the same thing, search package descriptions |
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| 13:55.22 | AllStruck | very handy indeed |
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| 13:56.13 | syslq | mhm |
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| 13:59.27 | ptrkmj | i need to split flac album image file into multiple flac files based on cue. what software can do that? |
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| 14:03.05 | sajanek | hello all |
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| 14:03.54 | sajanek | i have question: i've installed debian on my sparc machine. I installed grub2 and it's running but it goes diectly to CLI mode |
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| 14:04.05 | sajanek | how can i switch it to normall run? |
| 14:04.43 | pjc_ | did you install x with gnome/xfce and a login manager? |
| 14:04.43 | ChrisH | sajanek: define "CLI Mode" and "normall run" |
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| 14:05.48 | joar | I guess "normal run" would be the GRUB menu, and "CLI mode" would be the interactive shell. |
| 14:05.49 | sajanek | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B2qCqx88pVk/TiFzeY4fOBI/AAAAAAAAAH4/USyBeWnHZgo/s1600/GRUB.jpg |
| 14:05.51 | sajanek | normall |
| 14:05.57 | sajanek | yeah |
| 14:06.03 | apol | what's the correct way to know what's source repository of the package? |
| 14:06.09 | sajanek | sorry for misunderstood |
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| 14:08.00 | ChrisH | sajanek: I still do not understand. You first talked about Sparc system, the screen shot shows Windows installed. Second the screen shot tels me, you installed ubuntu. I did not know ubuntu does sparc packages. |
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| 14:08.28 | sajanek | ChrisH i have a sparc machine with solaris and debian 6 installed |
| 14:08.34 | sajanek | i want to make an dual boot there |
| 14:08.45 | sajanek | i installed grub2 from packages from debian |
| 14:09.01 | sajanek | but after start it goes to interactive shell |
| 14:09.10 | sajanek | and i want to see a menu |
| 14:09.39 | sajanek | screen was found an google images... |
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| 14:12.14 | _no0b_ | sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub |
| 14:12.19 | _no0b_ | sudo update-grub |
| 14:12.33 | _no0b_ | maybe ... |
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| 14:13.56 | sajanek | hmm, i use grub-ieee1275 not a grub2, srry |
| 14:13.57 | sajanek | sorry |
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| 14:18.26 | g00se | ksk: thanks |
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| 14:44.06 | mgodzilla | hello... |
| 14:44.21 | mgodzilla | trying a minimal debian amd64 install on a dell poweredge 800 |
| 14:44.33 | mgodzilla | boots from USB flash drive fine. choose install. |
| 14:44.43 | mgodzilla | then the menus are unreadable. |
| 14:44.51 | mgodzilla | and ideas on how to correct the display issue during install? |
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| 14:49.11 | ksk | hey. if i wanted to add some ubuntu packages to my debian, and put the repo into sources.list. how to call that repo? (like -t squeeze-backports or something) |
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| 14:50.37 | themill | ksk: don't. Just don't. |
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| 14:50.47 | ompaul | ksk: I think it is called "ive.a.broken.system" |
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| 14:51.28 | ksk | useful answers avaliable too? |
| 14:51.35 | ompaul | ksk: they were very useful |
| 14:51.43 | WinstonSmith | nods |
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| 14:51.50 | ksk | you dont know the usecase so no :> |
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| 14:52.14 | WinstonSmith | (how to wreck my system)tm |
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| 14:53.01 | ompaul | ksk: I do, it's called how to turn a working computer into something that won't upgrade |
| 14:53.06 | ompaul | ksk: or run for that matter |
| 14:53.19 | themill | ksk: can you take a step back from this and tell us what you're really trying to achieve then? |
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| 14:58.56 | ompaul | themill: the null case? |
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| 15:06.22 | mooglenorph | Hi. So, cli or text-based file managers. I've tried dired from emacs and midnight commander. Is there another cli fm that I should take a look at? |
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| 15:06.41 | mooglenorph | (So far I think I like dired-mode better than mc) |
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| 15:07.34 | themill | vidir? |
| 15:08.22 | mooglenorph | themill: cool, I'll take a look... |
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| 15:18.44 | jeddi | I'm running sid i686(pae) on an intel i7 (mosdef 64bit in other words) machine with 16GB RAM .. can I easily dual-boot into an ia64 version, and if so how? otherwise, is there an in-place migration path that's not too painful? |
| 15:19.09 | engla | jeddi: it's amd64 you want, not ia64! |
| 15:19.10 | jeddi | i'm installing the linux-image-*amd64 package - but it doesn't bring in any of the libraries. |
| 15:19.16 | jeddi | engla: sorry - meant amd64. |
| 15:19.23 | jeddi | ia was the itanium mess, wasn't it? |
| 15:19.34 | nkuttler | jeddi: which libraries? |
| 15:19.42 | jeddi | nkuttler: err .. ALL OF THEM :) |
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| 15:19.56 | jeddi | nkuttler: i mean, libc, all the other things that correspond with packages currently installed. |
| 15:20.07 | jeddi | i'm sitting on 2,500 packages installed, you see. |
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| 15:20.39 | jeddi | nkuttler: i guess the question is, though i can guess the answer, if i reboot now, select the amd64 version, it's going to crap itself. |
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| 15:20.43 | nkuttler | jeddi: just using the amd64 kernel won't change your userland to that arch |
| 15:20.54 | nkuttler | jeddi: no |
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| 15:21.21 | jeddi | nkuttler: sure. so is there an easy to ave both arch's supported on the same file system, or should i be looking at building a parallel partition for amd64? |
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| 15:21.31 | jeddi | and/or migrating arch from i686 to amd64. |
| 15:21.56 | nkuttler | jeddi: install amd64 on a different partition, yes |
| 15:21.59 | jeddi | okay - thanks nkuttler |
| 15:22.32 | nkuttler | though i'd just install amd64 and be done with it |
| 15:22.53 | nkuttler | jeddi: why do you want to boot two different archs? |
| 15:22.53 | jeddi | nkuttler: i'm nearly at that place, mentally, now. too many things are biting me with sticking with i686,e ven with pae. |
| 15:23.05 | nkuttler | ok |
| 15:23.17 | jeddi | nkuttler: i need some amd64 features (64bit kvm i think being the first) but am less than keen on doing a full re-install. |
| 15:23.43 | linkedinyou | hello guys i am trying to install mysql on debian and perl it ask for dependence perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-17squeeze3) but 5.10.1-17squeeze2 |
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| 15:23.58 | linkedinyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.21 | untrusted | after each sbuild using aufs union i see a nice popup (it is the kerneloops applet i guess) |
| 15:24.26 | linkedinyou | can anyone please show me how to install dependence |
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| 15:24.56 | jeddi | linkedinyou: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 15:25.04 | jeddi | linkedinyou: and did you re-run apt-get update ? |
| 15:25.12 | linkedinyou | 6 0.1 |
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| 15:25.26 | jeddi | linkedinyou: and command line you're using to install mysql ? |
| 15:25.32 | linkedinyou | i will run the update now |
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| 15:25.49 | linkedinyou | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 15:26.17 | kish | i cannot find libsqlite3-dev with aptitude |
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| 15:26.36 | linkedinyou | Get:57 http://ftp.debian.org experimental/main amd64 2012-05-24-1414.12.pdiff [1,953 B] |
| 15:26.37 | linkedinyou | Fetched 688 kB in 8s (81.7 kB/s) |
| 15:26.37 | linkedinyou | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 15:26.38 | jeddi | linkedinyou: i believe 'aptitude install mysql-server' might try a bit harder to resolve dependencies (though i use apt-get 99% of the time) |
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| 15:27.03 | jeddi | linkedinyou: odd if you're running 6.x to have dependency problems - have you been installing packages from elsewhere? |
| 15:27.09 | linkedinyou | ok i will try the apt- get |
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| 15:27.40 | linkedinyou | no just installed the 6. |
| 15:28.14 | jelly | linkedinyou: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file, the output of "apt-cache policy", and "apt-cache policy perl perl-base webmin libnet-ssleay-perl" |
| 15:28.20 | linkedinyou | how do i check if everything installed apatch and php mysql |
| 15:28.23 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:28.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:28.30 | jelly | !bat |
| 15:28.31 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:28.35 | linkedinyou | ok lemme paste it |
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| 15:28.53 | moquillo | Hi - I'm trying to install testing using ...-netinst.iso but it fails to install the kernel image; anyone seen this? |
| 15:29.08 | jeddi | nkuttler: ahh - just found this link (that redirects to alioth, where i don't have a login) that suggests in-place upgrades is impossible (apparently this means 'insanely messy and likely to break in weird and unpleasant ways). http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ |
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| 15:29.16 | forgotten | anyone use a proxy for their users that actually will flag / stop virus/malware before delivering the request to the client machine? |
| 15:29.17 | kish | oh, nevermind guys |
| 15:29.30 | kish | forgotten, maybe privoxy can do thhat |
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| 15:30.16 | untrusted | forgotten: insert a "known" somewhere |
| 15:30.54 | forgotten | untrusted: huh? |
| 15:31.07 | untrusted | <forgotten> anyone use a proxy for their users that actually will flag / stop |
| 15:31.07 | untrusted | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.07 | untrusted | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.11 | untrusted | ups sorry |
| 15:31.22 | untrusted | there is no such thing |
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| 15:31.53 | forgotten | kish: thanks but no go on privoxy. |
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| 15:33.06 | forgotten | untrusted: well that sucks.. there should be such a thing lol. |
| 15:33.31 | untrusted | forgotten: maybe use /dev/null as proxy ;-) |
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| 15:34.01 | forgotten | untrusted: probably wont work to well for my users windows xp machines. |
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| 15:34.09 | linkedinyou | jelly : sources.list http://pastebin.com/d9Zbcitu |
| 15:35.08 | jelly | linkedinyou: line 9, the experimental repo, works only with debian unstable branch (sid). You'll want to comment out or remove that |
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| 15:35.33 | jelly | this however, is not the cause of your current issue |
| 15:35.35 | forgotten | untrusted: i know you can setup squid to use a malware blacklist and dney access via ACL based on the list. |
| 15:35.38 | linkedinyou | ok i will comment |
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| 15:36.02 | forgotten | but i was hoping for more of a real time like ClamAV solutions or something, that works in conjuction with a proxy like squid. :( |
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| 15:38.18 | linkedinyou | jelly : Depends: perl-base |
| 15:38.25 | linkedinyou | still dependences |
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| 15:39.46 | jelly | that's not the complete information dpkg asked for, linkedinyou |
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| 15:40.20 | jelly | linkedinyou: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". |
| 15:41.18 | untrusted | forgotten: don't know a solution for that and wether it is worth it |
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| 15:42.08 | forgotten | untrusted: what would be your alternative |
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| 15:47.15 | untrusted | forgotten: no real solution - try to make the clients safe / think about the consequences if that fails / somethink like your squid solution maybe using a whitelist ... |
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| 15:50.03 | moquillo | While installing wheezy/testing I get "Unable to install busybox", base-installer/kernel/failed-package-install |
| 15:50.06 | moquillo | anyone seen this? |
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| 15:51.42 | simonlnu | no. and the testing installers are for... testing. you get what you paid for. report any bugs to the bts (bugs.debian.org). you may want to check the log (on vt4) |
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| 15:53.48 | moquillo | simonlnu: the message I posted is from virtual console 4 |
| 15:54.22 | simonlnu | should tell you why - isn't there some dpkg output? |
| 15:55.38 | moquillo | in-target: Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannob be used to add new CD-ROMs |
| 15:56.19 | moquillo | Do I have to modify sources.list before installing the kernel image so that the installer gets it from where it can find it? |
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| 15:57.13 | moquillo | I hadn't had this issue in years.. /-: |
| 15:57.19 | macrobat | moquillo: why use the testing installer? |
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| 15:59.15 | moquillo | macrobat: 'cause it is there available, and yes, I know it is "testing" |
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| 16:02.28 | moquillo | guess I'll try wheezy_d-i. Thanks macrobat and simonlnu for your comments. |
| 16:02.36 | macrobat | I usually install a minimal stable, then, if I should want testing, I modify sources.list and "upgrade" |
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| 16:03.03 | lazialetta | !ciao |
| 16:03.03 | dpkg | hmm... ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
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| 16:03.09 | lazialetta | !list |
| 16:03.09 | dpkg | lazialetta: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:09.20 | mmnicola1 | macrobat: because you're testing the next stable, why not test the next stable installer as well |
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| 16:11.38 | macrobat | that could be fun too |
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| 16:14.37 | babilen | mmnicolas: One good reason is that a working d-i is not really a concern at this point in the release cycle. It is furthermore recommended to start with stable and take it from there. |
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| 16:19.21 | mmnicolas | babilen: really ? I didn't expect that. At which point is it important to test it and report bugs ? Seems like something I wouldn't procrastinate to the last minute |
| 16:21.50 | babilen | mmnicolas: Typically after the freeze -- It would make sense to test the alpha installer and report problems though. Wheezy is currently uninstallable due to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672862#18 IIRC |
| 16:22.33 | mmnicolas | hrm, that makes sense |
| 16:22.38 | babilen | mmnicolas: That might have changed in the meanwhile though -- Furthermore: We have a shiny support channel for testing and unstable called #debian-next over at irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 16:23.11 | moquillo | babilen: too late, I've just gotten bit by it (in wheezy_d-i) /-: what a drag! |
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| 16:24.02 | moquillo | so now, I've got to keep driving in reverse and use the "stable_d-i" sigh* |
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| 16:24.43 | babilen | moquillo: Well, this is not a problem with the d-i, but with the current state from wheezy. (which requires you to pull netbase from sid) -- It is also not that well known that you can use the stable d-i to install testing or unstable and the testing (actually: devel) d-i to install stable and unstable |
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| 16:26.03 | babilen | moquillo: In short: You *will* run into this problem even if you install testing with the stable d-i *or* if you upgrade from stable to testing at the moment. It shouldn't be too hard to fix though and apt-listbugs would warn you about it during the upgrade. I would suggest that we take it to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:27.09 | moquillo | babilen: thanks.. I have to be invited to join #debian-next.. |
| 16:27.30 | babilen | moquillo: The channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:27.44 | babilen | (I think I mentioned that once or twice ;) |
| 16:28.02 | moquillo | the question remains, how can one install successfully (even a minimal) debian testing irrespective -if it applies- of the d-i |
| 16:28.25 | babilen | moquillo: Unfortunately I am leaving now -- You probably want to do something along the lines of "/msg dpkg tum" and pull in netbase from sid for now. |
| 16:28.26 | moquillo | babilen: my bad. Thanks, will catch you in #debian-next |
| 16:28.56 | babilen | moquillo: It is my understanding that you *can not* install testing at the moment. The procedure is to install stable and take it from there. |
| 16:29.08 | babilen | You cannot install it directly that is |
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| 16:45.12 | parabyte | hi anyone know why wheezy glx is broken |
| 16:45.12 | parabyte | ? |
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| 16:49.56 | samael | hi |
| 16:50.13 | craigevil | parabyte, fglrx? because it isnt compatible with the new xorg |
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| 16:55.22 | gringoire | Hi, anyone knows what do to with network manager, I'm trying to use pptp and it's grayed out even after installing network-manager-pptp? |
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| 16:56.37 | samael | scenario: debian squeeze gateway with squid3 configured as transparent proxy; many different flavours of browsers and client devices (mac, win, mobile devices, ...). problem: i need some web pages to be loaded only after a web authentication. |
| 16:57.28 | parabyte | craigevil, iv had it working though! |
| 16:57.29 | parabyte | lol |
| 16:57.41 | parabyte | mesa-utils not compatible with the new xorg? |
| 16:57.55 | samael | now, squid ACLs are great, but the authentication mechanism actually works only if the proxy is manually set in every single browser, which is not doable. i'm playing with proxy autodiscovery methods, but i see not all the browsers support them. any hint? am i missing different approaches to problem? |
| 16:58.19 | craigevil | parabyte, the ati fglrx crap, not mesa |
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| 16:58.29 | valdyn | samael: no, you need to set up several methods to support all browsers, iirc |
| 16:58.41 | valdyn | samael: s/all/most/ |
| 16:58.43 | parabyte | craigevil, thats the xorg ati driver? |
| 16:58.47 | parabyte | from the official debian package? |
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| 16:58.59 | parabyte | the free open source driver you mean? |
| 16:59.13 | valdyn | samael: if you want to force proxy usage its better to set up a transparent proxy |
| 16:59.14 | craigevil | not radeon/ati, the fglrx proprietary crap that is in the repo |
| 16:59.25 | parabyte | craigevil, i dont have that luxury |
| 16:59.30 | parabyte | im using powerpc hardware |
| 16:59.34 | parabyte | i have had glx working |
| 16:59.41 | parabyte | its a issue with wheezy's mesa libs |
| 17:00.01 | samael | valdyn: "most" is the part that worries me. ideally, i'd need "all". |
| 17:00.03 | parabyte | i tried to install dev package for libgl1-mesa and i murdered the glx |
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| 17:00.19 | craigevil | radeon/ati work just fine on amd64 and i686, no clue about powerpc |
| 17:00.26 | valdyn | samael: not possible |
| 17:00.26 | parabyte | craigevil, yeah it does work |
| 17:00.37 | parabyte | craigevil, i have not got software mesa either |
| 17:00.40 | parabyte | software rendering! |
| 17:00.57 | parabyte | something i broken! |
| 17:00.59 | parabyte | is |
| 17:01.12 | parabyte | Wish i stayed with squeeze now |
| 17:01.20 | parabyte | only reason for updating so use latest qt libs |
| 17:01.26 | samael | valdyn: it is a transparent proxy, that's why auth via ACLs is not working. browsers see auth request coming from someone (the proxy) in the middle between them and the server, which they don't trust |
| 17:01.41 | parabyte | anyone here aware of any issues with xorg and mesa on wheezy? |
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| 17:01.59 | valdyn | samael: its not really transparent if it neeeds authentication |
| 17:02.28 | engla | parabyte: not that I know. wheezy has comparatively old 7.11 mesa |
| 17:02.50 | parabyte | engla, like an enviroment variable is missing |
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| 17:02.58 | samael | valdyn: of course. that's why i was wondering if there can be a different solution i didn't think about |
| 17:03.07 | parabyte | i call glxinfo or glxgears from terminal and its like im running it from a non xorg terminal! |
| 17:03.26 | valdyn | samael: what you want is a transparent proxy that redirects the first access to a web interface login screen, I think |
| 17:03.38 | valdyn | samael: i have no experience with that |
| 17:03.41 | parabyte | those packages are spitting out name of display: :0.0 |
| 17:03.41 | parabyte | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
| 17:03.48 | parabyte | and i have no software mesa rendering |
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| 17:04.12 | engla | parabyte: read your Xorg log file and see if it has any clues |
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| 17:04.47 | parabyte | engla, says its loading up mesa libs! |
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| 17:05.46 | parabyte | i installed libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:05.51 | parabyte | do i need to put anything else in here |
| 17:05.53 | parabyte | ? |
| 17:05.55 | samael | valdyn: uhm.. some kind of captive portal. lemme investigate on that, maybe you caught the cat.. |
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| 17:07.07 | ToshyS | @ the install time, |
| 17:07.25 | ToshyS | if installing with the net install cd |
| 17:07.44 | ToshyS | when comes the step to select software as "desktop, server, laptop" |
| 17:08.01 | ToshyS | how can I change the desktop I wish? |
| 17:08.18 | ToshyS | because in the next step it starts to install |
| 17:08.33 | ToshyS | Is not showing up "xfce, lxde, gnome" etc. |
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| 17:08.44 | ToshyS | and it is installing by defalut gnome, and I wish xfce |
| 17:08.48 | simonlnu | because it installs all of them |
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| 17:09.10 | simonlnu | you're better off skipping "desktop" the choosing xfce4 at the next part. |
| 17:09.15 | simonlnu | then* |
| 17:09.40 | ToshyS | after install, with apt-get install xfce4 meta? |
| 17:10.16 | simonlnu | it'll show you something called aptitude. you can do / (search) then type ^xfce4 |
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| 17:10.25 | craigevil | ToshyS, To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install |
| 17:10.38 | simonlnu | aah |
| 17:11.03 | craigevil | or at least that what dpkg has for install xfce |
| 17:11.41 | ToshyS | I am already at the middle, I choosed "grafical expert" at the boot time |
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| 17:11.58 | ToshyS | if I change the debconf priority? |
| 17:12.11 | ToshyS | will I get more options? |
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| 17:13.08 | simonlnu | usually do, yes |
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| 17:13.47 | samael | valdyn: thank you! |
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| 17:16.57 | mooglenorph | Is there a program that lets me look at a directory of pdfs like they are images? |
| 17:17.11 | mooglenorph | like, with hotkeys to go to "next pdf in this directory" |
| 17:17.43 | macrobat | that would be handy to have |
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| 17:18.11 | mooglenorph | Yeah. Something like "feh" but for pdfs. |
| 17:18.44 | mooglenorph | preferebly also with hotkeys for "delete this" and "move this elsewhere", and after those actions it pops you to the next pdf in the current directory in lexicographic order. |
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| 17:19.21 | mooglenorph | I've wanted something like this for ages without realizing it |
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| 17:19.46 | ToshyS | If I am installing the system from a machine which see the hdd as "sda" and then, after the install is finished, I get the hdd out and plug into another machine which see the hdd as hda will the system gonna boot? |
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| 17:20.22 | macrobat | maybe just some plugin to a file manager, so it can show previews? |
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| 17:20.53 | mooglenorph | The only file manager I use, really, is dired in emacs. Or the shell. |
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| 17:22.59 | Mtl_Migration | Hello. Any one knows if the disk performances are decreased while RAID10 Init ? |
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| 17:24.09 | Doobie420 | it shouldn't, as no parity is being calculated |
| 17:24.36 | Mtl_Migration | Ok thx |
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| 17:25.57 | valdyn | Mtl_Migration: "Init" ? |
| 17:27.22 | Mtl_Migration | Current operation : Background Init |
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| 17:27.22 | linduxed | how come /tmp can be accessed by anyone despite being root:root ? |
| 17:27.23 | valdyn | linduxed: how come / can be accessed despite being root:root ? |
| 17:27.28 | valdyn | linduxed: or /etc |
| 17:27.34 | linduxed | valdyn: that's a good question too |
| 17:27.39 | valdyn | linduxed: your most directories on your system |
| 17:27.40 | linduxed | i don't have the answer |
| 17:27.44 | valdyn | linduxed: *or* most directories on your system |
| 17:27.51 | jelly-home | the answer is |
| 17:27.55 | valdyn | linduxed: read the permissions completely, not just the owner |
| 17:27.58 | jelly-home | !PERMISSIONS |
| 17:27.58 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 17:29.24 | linduxed | oh yeah, the last digit in the chmod number |
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| 17:29.42 | jelly-home | (sung to: Tradition, from Fiddler on the Roof) |
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| 17:45.56 | Mtl_Migration | I've a lot of tasks, like 2000 |
| 17:46.08 | Mtl_Migration | I should increase the Scheduler Frequency ? |
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| 17:48.27 | justin | Mtl_Migration: do you know what the scheduler frequency is? |
| 17:48.54 | Mtl_Migration | Yes. It defines the speed of task jumping |
| 17:49.14 | justin | task jumping? |
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| 17:54.57 | jelly-home | task switching presumably |
| 17:55.08 | Mtl_Migration | Yep |
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| 17:55.43 | jelly-home | Mtl_Migration: do you experience any problems with such a modest number number of processes? |
| 17:56.07 | Mtl_Migration | Yep |
| 17:56.19 | jelly-home | Mtl_Migration: what kind of problems? |
| 17:56.24 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 17:56.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:56.49 | Mtl_Migration | I've a 80GHz server. Two Opteron 16 cores (total 32 cores) on Debian 6 |
| 17:57.00 | Mtl_Migration | Cpu Average in TOP : 10% |
| 17:57.10 | justin | Mtl_Migration: you don't have an 80ghz server |
| 17:57.14 | Mtl_Migration | And it seems that tasks take too long |
| 17:57.16 | Mtl_Migration | justin no ? |
| 17:57.32 | justin | Mtl_Migration: do you have any processors that run at 80ghz ? |
| 17:57.46 | Mtl_Migration | 16*2*2.5 |
| 17:57.56 | justin | so you have a 2.5ghz server |
| 17:58.48 | jelly-home | Mtl_Migration: why do you think your tasks are scheduler-bound? |
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| 17:59.13 | Mtl_Migration | Frequency : 2500 MHz (per core) |
| 17:59.32 | Mtl_Migration | Socket G34 |
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| 17:59.54 | jelly-home | Mtl_Migration: you want to figure out what kind of workload you're running, and which resources it uses. Then figure out which resources are scarce, if any. |
| 18:00.00 | justin | Mtl_Migration: having 32 cars that can go 250 miles per hour does not mean that you have a 8,000 mile per hour car |
| 18:00.47 | Mtl_Migration | Come on we don't care. |
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| 18:03.40 | JessicaW | howdy. can you use setgid on a directory for one group and then setgid for another group in a subdirectory of that directory? |
| 18:04.33 | jelly-home | JessicaW: yes. |
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| 18:05.40 | JessicaW | jelly-home: hmmm. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong then. I set top directory to 2755 with group 1 and nested subdirectory to 2755 with group2 yet the root of nested subdirectory still shows the group from the top directory. |
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| 18:11.05 | JessicaW | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1005186/ |
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| 18:14.53 | jelly-home | JessicaW: /mnt/workspace/intern1 is owned by group "intern", can you point out the problem? |
| 18:15.08 | jelly-home | ".." is its PARENT directory |
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| 18:16.04 | JessicaW | when I try to write to it with a user in group intern I get a permission denied error |
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| 18:16.42 | jelly-home | JessicaW: does their running of "id -a" command confirm they're a member of that group? |
| 18:17.02 | jelly-home | JessicaW: also: you did not allow writing by the group. |
| 18:17.03 | JessicaW | yes |
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| 18:17.26 | JessicaW | i chmod'd it to 775 |
| 18:17.35 | jelly-home | 2775, you mean |
| 18:17.38 | JessicaW | jelly-home: thanks for the help by the way |
| 18:17.46 | JessicaW | yes |
| 18:17.47 | jelly-home | don't lose the setgid |
| 18:17.52 | JessicaW | 2775 |
| 18:18.01 | jelly-home | does that help? |
| 18:18.12 | JessicaW | I've never dealt with these before so it's a little confusing. |
| 18:18.21 | JessicaW | I set it to 2775. |
| 18:18.29 | JessicaW | it was after that I started getting the permission error |
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| 18:20.09 | JessicaW | so, workspace is set to 2775 chown'd root:sales. intern1 is under workspace and chowned root:intern |
| 18:20.12 | jelly-home | JessicaW: please pastebin the output of "id -a; ls -la /mnt/workspace/intern1; touch /mnt/workspace/intern1/foo; echo $?" as that user. |
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| 18:22.55 | JessicaW | jelly-home: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1005215/ |
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| 18:23.34 | jelly-home | JessicaW: so, touch succeeded. Is the file /mnt/workspace/intern1/foo there now? |
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| 18:24.00 | JessicaW | yes |
| 18:24.11 | JessicaW | but that was done with the owner of the directory. |
| 18:24.19 | JessicaW | let me try a user that is not the owner but in the group. |
| 18:24.22 | jelly-home | that's not what I asked for |
| 18:24.53 | JessicaW | oO |
| 18:24.59 | JessicaW | did I missread? |
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| 18:25.04 | JessicaW | ahhh |
| 18:25.07 | JessicaW | sorry. |
| 18:25.08 | JessicaW | one sec |
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| 18:28.17 | JessicaW | that didn't work. |
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| 18:28.19 | JessicaW | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1005228/ |
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| 18:29.12 | jelly-home | JessicaW: that user is not a member of intern1 group |
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| 18:29.26 | jelly-home | sorry, the "intern" group |
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| 18:29.54 | multi_io | when I `ssh host command`, neither ~/.bashrc nor ~/.bash_profile nor ~/.profile is sourced. |
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| 18:30.03 | jelly-home | JessicaW: if you just added the user to the group, they need to (log off and) log back on again |
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| 18:30.19 | multi_io | (as they are when I `ssh host`, starting an interactive shell) |
| 18:30.26 | multi_io | why? |
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| 18:30.33 | JessicaW | omfg. I can't believe I forgot that. |
| 18:30.35 | JessicaW | intern:x:1014:intern1,intern2,itadmin |
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| 18:30.39 | JessicaW | sigh. |
| 18:30.41 | JessicaW | yeah. |
| 18:30.43 | jelly-home | multi_io: read the INVOCATION part of bash manual |
| 18:30.43 | JessicaW | thanks for the help |
| 18:30.59 | JessicaW | jelly-home: seriously. thanks. I'm so sorry I wasted your time. |
| 18:31.10 | jelly-home | it's a VERY common error :> |
| 18:31.42 | jelly-home | now you know to use id to verify group memberships |
| 18:32.00 | JessicaW | I totally saved that in my little notes file I have! |
| 18:33.35 | JessicaW | jelly-home: one more question, does this mean I have to close all my gnu screen sessions too? |
| 18:33.53 | jelly-home | JessicaW: only if you want them to access that directory, yes |
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| 18:34.29 | JessicaW | jelly-home: yep. that did it. thanks so much! |
| 18:34.39 | JessicaW | I would totally send you an e-cookie... |
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| 18:34.53 | jelly-home | I do have paypal. <g> |
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| 18:35.59 | JessicaW | send you a e-¢ |
| 18:36.19 | craigevil | invocation? sounds like something used in SourceMage :) |
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| 18:50.43 | oich | Is it possible to build a shared library in a chroot environment without affecting the non-chroot linker/loader? For example, I want to build a different version of X and gnome. |
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| 18:52.27 | siriofaber | ciao |
| 18:52.29 | everythingWorks | hey |
| 18:52.40 | everythingWorks | what does the ending 0's mean here? http://codepad.org/ya4diLTU |
| 18:52.47 | everythingWorks | like (:0) or (:0.0) |
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| 18:57.19 | valdyn | everythingWorks: you can have multiple X screens |
| 18:57.39 | valdyn | everythingWorks: :0 is the tty7 they all are on |
| 18:58.05 | valdyn | everythingWorks: usually people only have one screen though, thats :0.0 |
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| 18:58.44 | everythingWorks | valdyn: thanks! :) |
| 18:59.34 | valdyn | everythingWorks: say you have a dual or more head setup and want independence between them, like running multiple window managers |
| 18:59.42 | valdyn | everythingWorks: then you need 2+ seperate screens |
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| 19:00.50 | LeD | necesito ayuda con xfce |
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| 19:05.37 | jelly-home | !es |
| 19:05.38 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 19:13.57 | everythingWorks | why this won't work? pidof foo | kill |
| 19:14.12 | dkr | everythingWorks: pkill |
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| 19:15.19 | everythingWorks | dkr: Thanks, but i want to know whats wrong with my statement |
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| 19:18.40 | dkr | everythingWorks: kill takes a process to kill as an argument, not as standard input |
| 19:18.59 | dkr | kill `pidof foo` would be the equivalent of pkill foo |
| 19:19.01 | everythingWorks | dkr: But it would also take the process id, and pidof gives the process id |
| 19:19.37 | dkr | yes, but you have to pass it as an argument, i.e. after the word kill |
| 19:20.23 | kesroesweyth | everythingWorks what about PID=`pidof foo` kill $PID |
| 19:20.38 | kesroesweyth | or something of that nature |
| 19:21.06 | everythingWorks | i like kill `pidof foo` ;) |
| 19:21.31 | everythingWorks | I think i misunderstood something there, I thought echo "foo" | bar would be the same as bar foo |
| 19:21.51 | dkr | pkill foo is more sensible, no need to run two procs and a subshell when a single proc will do. :) |
| 19:22.16 | kesroesweyth | in addition to that, i don't even think my method would work in a shell |
| 19:22.23 | kesroesweyth | not the way i typed it, anyhow |
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| 19:23.19 | n-iCe | hi |
| 19:23.40 | kesroesweyth | hi n-iCe |
| 19:23.45 | justin | everythingWorks: no, those two commands are not the same at all |
| 19:23.48 | JessicaW | anyone heard of acronis backup? |
| 19:23.55 | kesroesweyth | JessicaW yes |
| 19:23.58 | everythingWorks | justin: Oh-oh kay :o |
| 19:24.45 | kesroesweyth | everythingWorks the pipe '|' takes standard output from the previous command and provides it to the next command as standard input |
| 19:25.04 | JessicaW | kesroesweyth: my windows guy is all pumped up about it. it says it can do on the fly imaging of linux. I don't see how it's possible. Do you know anything about it? |
| 19:25.22 | everythingWorks | kesroesweyth, Well: then this should work: pidof foo | kill |
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| 19:25.37 | everythingWorks | pidof puts for example 1234 on the stdout, and kill reads it as this, doesent it? |
| 19:25.38 | kesroesweyth | everythingWorks no, for the reason that dkr stated before |
| 19:25.44 | justin | everythingWorks: kill does not read pids from stdin |
| 19:25.51 | everythingWorks | i understand |
| 19:25.51 | glitch31415 | acronis backup will do that, so will VEEAM (if your linux is virtualized) then again any decent SAN will take a snap of a live box |
| 19:26.12 | justin | JessicaW: windows people always seem to like imaging. imaging is terrible technology that needs to die. |
| 19:26.12 | everythingWorks | i thought it would be an arg, but instead its the stdin, okay, thanks! :) |
| 19:26.26 | JessicaW | justin: yup. agreed. |
| 19:26.28 | kesroesweyth | justin yes |
| 19:27.32 | JessicaW | what is the best way to back up linux anyways? I've never done it. |
| 19:27.44 | kesroesweyth | JessicaW "best" is subjective |
| 19:28.03 | JessicaW | I'm assuming block device backup would be best as opposed to filesystem-level backup |
| 19:28.06 | kesroesweyth | JessicaW and depends on your scenario and plenty of other things. what are you trying to do, specifically? |
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| 19:28.56 | JessicaW | kesroesweyth: if somebody were to say... delete a ton of files or ... I don't know. worst case scenario. They made me give all my users sudo rights. :| |
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| 19:29.08 | musca | JessicaW: even more sophisticated: restore on the fly while you continue to work. |
| 19:29.09 | kesroesweyth | JessicaW eek |
| 19:29.40 | JessicaW | kesroesweyth: I was using rdiff-backup but, apparently that wasn't good enough for them. |
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| 19:30.03 | kesroesweyth | musca sounds fancy. im not the best with high-tech backup solutions. my backup methods are pretty archaic for the most part |
| 19:30.38 | JessicaW | kesroesweyth: which is where my argument about acronis comes in. how can any software perform a low level image while the OS is running. just doesn't seem possible. |
| 19:30.44 | superstraw | was the giving-all-users-sudo-rights thing a joke? |
| 19:30.45 | musca | yes, archaic and rock solid |
| 19:30.51 | JessicaW | ..... |
| 19:31.02 | JessicaW | this is my "no it's not" face.... |
| 19:31.10 | superstraw | O_o ftfy |
| 19:31.13 | kesroesweyth | musca i only said archaic, just for the record ;) |
| 19:31.21 | musca | hehe |
| 19:31.22 | dvs | thinks of it as a Marge's grunt |
| 19:31.54 | kesroesweyth | dvs you said that and i though of Patty and Selma instead. |
| 19:31.57 | superstraw | sounds like a good way to play a joke on an admin |
| 19:32.05 | JessicaW | musca: is there software that can restore on the fly while you work? |
| 19:32.16 | dvs | kesroesweyth: not a big difference there. ;-) |
| 19:32.27 | JessicaW | heh |
| 19:32.28 | kesroesweyth | JessicaW giving all users sudo rights might not be the best thing. do they have access to all commands with sudo (as in ALL)? |
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| 19:32.44 | valdyn | JessicaW: acronis would be using facilities built into the operating system to make an image |
| 19:32.49 | superstraw | o_O |
| 19:32.56 | valdyn | JessicaW: so thats hardly "impossible" |
| 19:33.01 | JessicaW | well, I didn't actually give them rights. I added one user (the dept head) to sudoers and he added the entire dept to the sudo group... |
| 19:33.03 | superstraw | afk! |
| 19:33.07 | kesroesweyth | JessicaW rather "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 19:33.13 | kesroesweyth | in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:33.24 | JessicaW | he did it in /etc/group |
| 19:33.31 | JessicaW | didn't even use visudo |
| 19:33.34 | kesroesweyth | but that group is in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:33.36 | kesroesweyth | ? |
| 19:33.49 | kesroesweyth | oh wait, i see. |
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| 19:34.09 | JessicaW | yeah. it's not in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:34.28 | JessicaW | he just added them to the sudo group in /etc/group |
| 19:34.40 | kesroesweyth | i guess i dont know the significance of that. |
| 19:34.43 | JessicaW | and I was told I couldn't take it away |
| 19:35.05 | kesroesweyth | I think, be fault, the sudo group is in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:35.07 | kesroesweyth | but im not sure |
| 19:35.46 | JessicaW | ah, I know this is debian but... I'm using ubuntu. I think it's a little different. (the help here is more knowledgeable usually...) |
| 19:36.01 | kesroesweyth | my ubuntu system's /etc/sudoers has a line %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL" in it. I didn't add that |
| 19:36.17 | JessicaW | I think that's default. |
| 19:36.26 | kesroesweyth | forgot the first ", whoops. |
| 19:36.31 | JessicaW | as mines the same |
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| 19:36.37 | kesroesweyth | yeah, hm. that's scary |
| 19:36.41 | nkuttler | !based on debian |
| 19:36.41 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:36.53 | JessicaW | nkuttler: *nods* :) |
| 19:37.42 | JessicaW | I was referring to one server that is running ubuntu and had sudo rights. it was just a joking comment. most of my systems run debian. which is why I sit here. |
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| 19:38.03 | JessicaW | oh, and one leftover centOS 5.5 that I can't seem to migrate out. |
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| 19:47.23 | devmikey | if your shell is bash, does .bash_profile get run when you scp? |
| 19:47.33 | devmikey | if not, how about .bashrc? |
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| 19:50.33 | karsten | devmikey: No, for .bash_profile. |
| 19:51.37 | karsten | devmikey: Since scp is a non-interactive shell session, generally it's *not* a login shell (hence no ~/.bash_profile), and there's usually a check close to the top of your ~/.bashrc which returns to the shell if it is noninteractive: [ -z "$PS1" ] && return |
| 19:51.52 | jelly-home | devmikey: it should not run .bash_profile, that's only used for an interactive or a login shell. Read the bash man page, INVOCATION section |
| 19:51.57 | karsten | devmikey: ... I set a couple of things, path and locale, prior to that. |
| 19:52.08 | karsten | devmikey: Everything else is for interactive shells only. |
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| 19:52.40 | sussudio | do i really need udisks-daemon if i'm using a colocated server? it seems to freeze up the whole thing for 15 minutes at a time. |
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| 19:53.55 | valerie | My CPU fan is spinning at max and very noisy, the CPU temp within normal range. Any ideas? |
| 19:54.23 | kesroesweyth | valerie are you sure its running at max and not just a noisy fan? |
| 19:54.48 | sussudio | valerie: don't you think the cpu temp would go out of normal range if it were spinning slower? |
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| 19:55.00 | valerie | It is running at 4500-4900 RPMs |
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| 19:55.07 | sussudio | and... |
| 19:55.50 | sussudio | would you rather have a overheated, dying computer? |
| 19:56.05 | mmnicolas | valerie: I would try to disable AMDs cool 'n quiet feature if available, I've had a few of theses kind of issue caused by this, mostly dying system boards |
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| 19:57.15 | valerie | mmnicolas, it is disabled |
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| 19:58.38 | valerie | sussudio, so 4900 RPM is normal for a CPU fan? |
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| 19:59.07 | mmnicolas | valerie: what he means is that may simply be a cooling issue |
| 19:59.10 | BotaniCar_ | valerie: pardon me for asking , when was the PC cleaned last time ? loud fan + normal temp = dirty passive cooler part |
| 19:59.18 | mmnicolas | fans may juste be trying to compensate |
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| 20:00.15 | sussudio | valerie: it depends on what it is rated for |
| 20:00.37 | sussudio | 4900 RPM is not an abnormal speed for CPU fans. |
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| 20:01.43 | Sanjuro | any special way to install conky on debian? not found with aptitude install |
| 20:01.52 | sussudio | i have 1 fan running at 5500 and another at 6000 RPM |
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| 20:02.18 | jelly-home | judd: versions conky |
| 20:02.19 | judd | Package: conky on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2+lenny1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.1-5~bpo60+1; sid: 1.9.0-2; wheezy: 1.9.0-2 |
| 20:02.39 | jelly-home | Sanjuro: something is wrong with your apt settings, then |
| 20:02.46 | Sanjuro | maybe sources list? |
| 20:02.54 | jelly-home | Sanjuro: which debian release? |
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| 20:03.38 | Sanjuro | 6.0.5 |
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| 20:05.30 | jelly-home | !squeeze sources.list |
| 20:05.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:05.31 | valerie | sussudio, how can I find out what the fan's speed is rated for? |
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| 20:06.14 | kesroesweyth | valerie Google the model number of the fan? |
| 20:06.30 | Sanjuro | think I found the right lines to add jelly-home thanks |
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| 20:07.18 | bofh80_ | is there a way to remove the getty entries, and put in ngetty without manually editing the file. any dpkg-reconfigure options i can use or anything else? thanks. |
| 20:07.45 | valerie | mmnicolas, if it is simply a cooling issue what exactly should I do to make it less noisy? |
| 20:08.00 | Sanjuro | got it.. thanks again jelly =D |
| 20:08.05 | jelly-home | np, cheers |
| 20:08.18 | sussudio | valerie: see what fan is in your pc, google for it. |
| 20:09.15 | sussudio | if it's a Delta brand fan, then yes, it's supposed to sound like an airplane taking off. |
| 20:09.27 | bofh80_ | if you turn cool n quiet off the fan will run at full speed all the time, try turning it back on. if it still runs full speed it's cos your cpu is getting to hot, dust in the heatsink wahtever |
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| 20:14.44 | cuser | hi all. which lightweight mta for mutt? thanks :) |
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| 20:15.35 | cuser | ssmtp gives me "broken package" due to "libgnutls26" |
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| 20:16.02 | elik | I seem to be having a hardtime aptitude update-ing. I get 404 on a few of the downloads, notably, security.debian and translations. I know there is a release coming up soon, but could it be the cause of the issue |
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| 20:18.48 | M4d3L1 | why when I do rm -fR it ignore the -f and ask me if I want to delete the file? |
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| 20:18.59 | M4d3L1 | same with CP |
| 20:19.35 | elik | M4d3L1: do you have the write right to the file? |
| 20:19.49 | M4d3L1 | I am on root account |
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| 20:20.16 | elik | M4d3L1: you can still remove the write access |
| 20:20.17 | M4d3L1 | I dont want to say yes to 22345 file lol |
| 20:20.29 | raptor67682 | hi. I am selling mini-home devices for blind people for 300 euros. it does everything, music, irc, internet, health monitoring, audionotes, chat vocal, ... |
| 20:20.49 | elik | M4d3L1: well, verify if that's the issue, not sure if -f would override that |
| 20:20.54 | elik | raptor67682: is that advertisement? |
| 20:21.04 | raptor67682 | if you know anyone in this issue, let me knmow. I developed this for a relative and it is not for mass prod. |
| 20:21.24 | raptor67682 | elik: no no ... to say, that linux can help people |
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| 20:21.39 | raptor67682 | propose great things and change life of some people |
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| 20:22.15 | raptor67682 | festival is the greatest thing |
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| 20:23.11 | raptor67682 | it is thus headless and of about 20cm x 15cm x 15cm, small size to be placed ni specific places & ideally suited for similar needs. |
| 20:23.19 | craigevil | does it have sex with you? if not it sucks |
| 20:23.35 | raptor67682 | doesnt bring coffee |
| 20:23.36 | craigevil | it is also offtopic |
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| 20:23.44 | raptor67682 | you need a woman for that ;) |
| 20:24.04 | raptor67682 | and ... foremost she is speech recognition ;) :) |
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| 20:24.28 | M4d3L1 | offtopic? |
| 20:24.36 | raptor67682 | but well.... actually costs much much more ... and ... like credit cards ;) ha ha |
| 20:25.01 | elik | M4d3L1: so, not the issue? |
| 20:25.09 | elik | raptor67682: ok, stop please |
| 20:25.11 | raptor67682 | my device not :) |
| 20:25.17 | raptor67682 | ha ha |
| 20:25.22 | M4d3L1 | I deleted the dir on ftp lol |
| 20:25.24 | M4d3L1 | it work |
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| 20:41.09 | falcon | hi all. which package do i need to install for divx? thanks :) |
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| 20:42.51 | phogg | falcon: divx what? |
| 20:43.52 | falcon | "the playback of this movie requires a divx mpeg-4 version 5 decoder plugin" |
| 20:44.00 | dimaursu16 | falcon, do you mean the decoders for video? |
| 20:44.14 | falcon | i've just paste the error |
| 20:44.28 | falcon | dimaursu16: well, i think so |
| 20:44.33 | dimaursu16 | I think is gstreamer-plugins *bad* *ugly* |
| 20:44.38 | dimaursu16 | search for gstreamer |
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| 20:44.56 | falcon | let's try bad? :) |
| 20:45.06 | dimaursu16 | there are alot of them, and I dont remerber which exactly does what |
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| 20:46.07 | falcon | gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad? |
| 20:46.22 | dimaursu16 | anyway, feel free to install vlc, it has all of them |
| 20:46.28 | dimaursu16 | yeah, install that one |
| 20:46.44 | falcon | i don't adore vlc :) |
| 20:46.50 | jelly-home | you should! |
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| 20:47.06 | jelly-home | it usually works |
| 20:47.09 | elik | Anyone else having a hard time with his repository? I get 404s from security.debian and translation packages |
| 20:47.09 | dimaursu16 | but afaik there is no reason not to install the other plugins |
| 20:47.12 | falcon | don't i need to reboot, do i? |
| 20:47.22 | dimaursu16 | don't think so |
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| 20:47.31 | dimaursu16 | it should work instantly |
| 20:47.37 | falcon | :( same error |
| 20:47.49 | dimaursu16 | install the ugly one, and the good one |
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| 20:48.00 | dimaursu16 | install them all, you may need them later |
| 20:48.19 | dimaursu16 | for pidgin, for movies |
| 20:48.23 | dimaursu16 | for mp3's |
| 20:48.42 | alfplayer | working mediawiki to html converter? |
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| 20:49.08 | falcon | dimaursu16: bad + ugly, same error |
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| 20:50.57 | dimaursu16 | falcon, gstreamer.i386 gstreamer-ffmpeg.i386 gstreamer-plugins-base.i386 gstreamer-plugins-good.i386 gstreamer-plugins-ugly.i386 |
| 20:51.23 | dimaursu16 | i just saw on a forum that you need those to play divx encoded movies |
| 20:51.39 | dimaursu16 | pull out the i386 part |
| 20:52.04 | dimaursu16 | and maybe you need to add 0.10 after gstreamer |
| 20:52.11 | falcon | "Unable to locate package gstreamer" |
| 20:52.18 | falcon | :) |
| 20:52.24 | falcon | i'll try |
| 20:52.27 | dimaursu16 | skip that one |
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| 20:52.46 | dimaursu16 | the important one is the ffmpeg one |
| 20:53.06 | dimaursu16 | is from a fedora forum, in debian they are packed otherwise |
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| 20:58.31 | Timmy | Is there a way to redirect all network traffic to TOR without setting any proxy or configuration in applications? |
| 20:59.36 | daemon | hey all is there anyway to determine exasctly what distributio0n of linux is running on a machine totally blind |
| 20:59.50 | Sm0ke0ut | lsb_release |
| 20:59.58 | Sm0ke0ut | though it's not installed by default on all distro's |
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| 21:05.39 | devmikey | Timmy: grep for Transparent Proxying |
| 21:05.55 | devmikey | Timmy: You dont wanna do that though in all likelihood |
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| 21:08.12 | falcon | dimaursu16: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg done the job! thanks ;) |
| 21:09.07 | dimaursu16 | you welcome :) |
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| 21:14.17 | WillPittenger | I am really frustrated with the packaging for Gnome. If you pick it via Synaptic, you must install Evolution, Empathy, Epiphany, and a lot more. I intend to use Firefox Beta as the browser. I don't care about IM junk. This is a VM. I put my e-mail client on the host. So why are all those apps considered dependencies of Gnome? |
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| 21:14.45 | WillPittenger | Games are on the host too. Don't care about them on a guest. |
| 21:15.20 | devmikey | your guests need games, duh |
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| 21:15.48 | WillPittenger | What are you talking about? It's a VM where I'm the only user. |
| 21:15.48 | dvs | WillPittenger: There is a gnome-core packages that you can install |
| 21:16.00 | WillPittenger | thinks devmikey is joking. |
| 21:17.17 | WillPittenger | Telling it to uninstall one chess game forces another to be installed. :P |
| 21:17.53 | devmikey | WillPittenger: yep |
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| 21:20.41 | karlpinc | WillPittenger: You could also use aptitude -R to cut down on things, but there's usually a reason not to. Take dvs' suggestion. |
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| 21:22.21 | tharkun | I've lived a long debian live sans youtube. A new user is requesting it. Nails and a piano wire seemed the best option at the begining but i am willing to make a try at it. Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 21:22.36 | WillPittenger | Well, with "gnome" removed, it added "gnome-core". But now when I attempt to uninstall nautilus, it wants to uninstall "gnome-core" and "gnome-desktop-environment". :\ |
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| 21:23.48 | dvs | WillPittenger: Sorry, you have to take nautilus. It's part of the environment. |
| 21:23.52 | macrobat | there are other things than gnome (or kde) |
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| 21:25.17 | ompaul | tharkun: increase the repos to contrib and non-free |
| 21:25.24 | tharkun | done |
| 21:25.51 | WillPittenger | dvs: Yeah. I remember Nautilus now. Looks like the others are going just fine. |
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| 21:26.23 | ompaul | tharkun: I wish I didnt type this flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:26.36 | ompaul | tharkun: that's you tube |
| 21:26.52 | tharkun | ompaul: Thanks. I understand the suffering |
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| 21:27.19 | ompaul | some day we wont need it |
| 21:27.55 | tharkun | I read about html5 I don't think iceweasel on squeeze is capable yet |
| 21:28.05 | ompaul | it won't cut it yet |
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| 21:32.14 | Humanoid | When I apt-get install a package for some server, like apache for example, how do I stop it from starting automatically? Is there some standard way of doing this? |
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| 21:33.28 | sussudio | Humanoid: update-rc.d package remove |
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| 21:35.40 | Humanoid | But I cannot run "update-rc.d apache remove" before I do "apt-get install apache". |
| 21:35.59 | Humanoid | The /etc/init.d links are put in by apt-get install, and then run immediately. |
| 21:36.30 | Humanoid | I'm not trying to stop it from running on boot, I'm trying to stop it from running as soon as it gets installed. |
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| 21:37.09 | superstraw | Humanoid: I use sysv-rc-conf for that |
| 21:37.16 | superstraw | or update-rc.d |
| 21:37.43 | superstraw | ah trying to get it to not run after installation... hmm. |
| 21:38.24 | superstraw | i'm just curious as to why that is an issue |
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| 21:39.21 | Humanoid | I have a server running, and I want to install packages into a chroot without them running. |
| 21:40.01 | Humanoid | It also gets annoying whenever I upgrade packages. |
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| 21:40.21 | Humanoid | There are lots of reasons. I just want to install it, not install+run it. |
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| 21:41.09 | ompaul | Humanoid: you mean debian's core idea, if you install it you want to run it doesn't suit you? |
| 21:41.28 | ompaul | Humanoid: apt-get -d install package |
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| 21:41.36 | ompaul | downloads does not install therefore does not run |
| 21:41.38 | Humanoid | ompaul: I want to run it, but only sometimes. |
| 21:42.02 | engla | you can divert an executable to avoid running services. I don't remember which, but I've done it |
| 21:42.04 | ompaul | Humanoid: you want to research update-rc.d |
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| 21:42.18 | Humanoid | Yeah, but there are other scripts that need to be run on install. |
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| 21:43.52 | engla | Humanoid: override invoke-rc.d with your own script? |
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| 21:46.38 | Humanoid | Hacking invoke-rc.d is something that would work. But I thought there was already some kind of support for not starting servers as soon as they get installed. |
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| 21:49.13 | Humanoid | Isn't the point of invoke-rc.d so that different people can set different policies? |
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| 21:51.20 | engla | well if you read about it, it can hook into /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d but that doesn't exist by default |
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| 21:51.49 | abrotman | Humanoid: you mean update-rc.d ? |
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| 21:52.35 | Humanoid | I found /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz seems to describe doing what I want to do. |
| 21:52.45 | engla | invoke-rc.d is the script that starts servicess, it's the relevant thing |
| 21:53.24 | Humanoid | It seems if I make a script that just returns 101, it should stop servers from running. |
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| 22:00.18 | WillPittenger | Java 7 isn't in Synaptic yet? |
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| 22:01.12 | nkuttler | WillPittenger: stable doesn't get new software |
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| 22:15.28 | ageis | i'm on wheezy using xfce4 but with gnome-terminal. my user terminal is totally blank, but root terminal works fine |
| 22:15.48 | blip2 | *cough* testing *cough* |
| 22:16.00 | ageis | haha, just figured it out... the colors were obscuring it. somehow it was set to black on black. i didnt wanna believe it would be that simple |
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| 22:19.00 | fahad | hi, anyone know how I get wheezy to not start xdm on boot? seems leaving text as a linux param stopped beig the way to do it |
| 22:19.04 | FreeAir | Hey guys, 10 year user of sid/stable, got a curious issue here :-) |
| 22:19.38 | FreeAir | eog, sakura, gitg and some other things, all with gtk deps fail with a malloc.c 3096 assertion error |
| 22:20.08 | FreeAir | I'm using xv to open pictures and gitk for git, situation not good! :-) |
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| 22:28.13 | RustyShackleford | how can I install Java 7 (open source or proprietary) on debian squeeze? |
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| 22:28.56 | RustyShackleford | besides a manual install |
| 22:29.05 | RustyShackleford | ideally a repo of some kind so that it stays updated |
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| 22:29.48 | AimHere | Use your package manager of choice and check out the java packages therein |
| 22:30.01 | ompaul | ,versions java |
| 22:30.03 | judd | No package named 'java' was found in i386. |
| 22:30.08 | ompaul | ,versions jdk |
| 22:30.09 | judd | No package named 'jdk' was found in i386. |
| 22:30.12 | AimHere | I think there's more than one java version |
| 22:30.18 | ompaul | there is |
| 22:30.19 | RustyShackleford | jdk 6 is in the repos |
| 22:30.21 | RustyShackleford | but not 7 |
| 22:30.27 | streuner | dpkg, java |
| 22:30.27 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:32.08 | streuner | RustyShackleford: politics sucks most of the time, and java is often still a PITA, IMO... |
| 22:32.47 | RustyShackleford | I suppose I only use it for school |
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| 22:33.27 | RustyShackleford | trying to branch out with C++ over the summer. |
| 22:33.58 | RustyShackleford | but my ide of choice, Eclipse, runs Java so... |
| 22:34.13 | RustyShackleford | and jre7 is requested/required |
| 22:35.35 | FreeAir | eclipse is a winner |
| 22:35.44 | FreeAir | though the latest version is a bit ****ed up |
| 22:35.49 | FreeAir | in some ways its awesome |
| 22:35.54 | FreeAir | and in other ways its just broken |
| 22:37.09 | RustyShackleford | can I just install openjdk7 from wheezy? |
| 22:37.38 | FreeAir | possibly |
| 22:37.47 | FreeAir | why are you on a particular old version of debian though |
| 22:37.50 | RustyShackleford | only selected packages, and keep tracking stable otherwise |
| 22:37.52 | FreeAir | stable is for servers |
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| 22:38.12 | RustyShackleford | debian wiki said, when in doubt, track stable |
| 22:38.24 | ompaul | RustyShackleford: and it is right |
| 22:38.25 | RustyShackleford | but yes, packages are a little old for my tast |
| 22:38.28 | FreeAir | sure, if you're a noob, it's not a bad idea |
| 22:38.31 | FreeAir | but it has major down sides |
| 22:38.44 | ompaul | !tell RustyShackleford about backports |
| 22:39.03 | RustyShackleford | i don't see jdk7 in backports |
| 22:39.16 | ompaul | RustyShackleford: then /msg dpkg ssb or sns |
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| 22:39.51 | FreeAir | RustyShackleford: you can grab the set of debs required for jdk7 from the closest repo and dpkg -i them |
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| 22:40.08 | FreeAir | i wouldn't add a line to the source list, though, that'll make a mess |
| 22:40.11 | nkuttler | FreeAir: ugh |
| 22:40.25 | FreeAir | grunt! |
| 22:40.36 | FreeAir | (i can grunt too) |
| 22:40.43 | FreeAir | speak, also |
| 22:40.44 | FreeAir | :-) |
| 22:41.00 | nkuttler | FreeAir: yeah, the libc6 deps won't break manually inserting the packages.. |
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| 22:41.38 | FreeAir | like it or not, it's often ok provided the set of deps is localised and doesn't involve a tangled spiderweb |
| 22:41.51 | nkuttler | what? |
| 22:41.58 | FreeAir | who? |
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| 22:42.22 | nkuttler | FreeAir: even if it works randomly it's a bad idea to recommend it, especially for something that complex |
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| 22:43.27 | RustyShackleford | safer to just track a newer release? |
| 22:43.38 | FreeAir | Depends: openjdk-7-jre (= 7~u3-2.1.1~pre1-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 22:43.41 | nkuttler | RustyShackleford: no, backports, as you were told earlier |
| 22:43.44 | FreeAir | ^ not overly complex, no. |
| 22:43.54 | nkuttler | yeah, libc6 is such a trivial package |
| 22:43.59 | FreeAir | :-) |
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| 22:44.17 | nkuttler | *plonk* |
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| 22:44.24 | FreeAir | if it installs without complaint, then the deps were matched, period. |
| 22:44.33 | FreeAir | if not, then it fails, back it out, carry on as you were |
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| 22:44.57 | nkuttler | the "try random stuff without thinking" method |
| 22:45.21 | FreeAir | no, the try exacting things knowing the two possible outcomes from more than a decade of using the OS. |
| 22:45.33 | FreeAir | wha ti want to know, is why gtk is so borked |
| 22:45.45 | FreeAir | (as in the swedish chef) |
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| 22:46.17 | FreeAir | eog: malloc.c:3096: sYSMALLOc: Assertion `(old_top == (((mbinptr) (((char *) &((av)->bins[((1) - 1) * 2])) - __builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd)))) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= (unsigned long)((((__builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd_nextsize))+((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1)) & ~((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1))) && ((old_top)->size & 0x1) && ((unsigned long)old_end & pagemask) == 0)' failed. Aborted |
| 22:47.47 | FreeAir | nkuttler: French? |
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| 22:54.06 | dokma | I'm using VirtualBox to boot from sda2 which is going to eventually replace the system at sda1. However, right now, after grub-reboot 3 grub menu opens at position 0. After grub-reboot 2 it opens at position 2. There are 4 positions in grub menu. I can reproduce this consistently. Any ideas? |
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| 23:06.11 | WillPittenger | :p I can't uninstall evolution either. |
| 23:07.07 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 23:07.08 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 23:07.43 | syslq | WillPittenger: gnome? |
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| 23:08.07 | WillPittenger | Yes. I have "gnome-core" rather than "gnome". |
| 23:08.28 | syslq | WillPittenger: ubuntu or debian? Don't worry, I'm not a fanatic, you can be honest :) |
| 23:08.47 | WillPittenger | Debian that I downloaded this morning. |
| 23:09.15 | WillPittenger | Dinner time. |
| 23:09.30 | WLP|Away | Be back afterwards. |
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| 23:09.40 | themill | dpkg: tell WLP|Away about install gnome |
| 23:09.51 | themill | WLP|Away: if you don't want evolution, you need a smaller metapackage. |
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| 23:10.14 | syslq | Heh :) |
| 23:13.01 | syslq | WLP|Away: they are part of gnome-core at it seems |
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| 23:22.21 | cusco_ | after gnome-core there was gnome-session |
| 23:22.34 | cusco_ | even lighter |
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| 23:26.26 | sideup66 | hello room, i have a small headache with default screen resolution, im working on an old gateway system with an older nvidia gfx card and 1ghz amd processor, its being used as a home server |
| 23:26.41 | sideup66 | and for whatever ungodly reason the system wants to be in the highest resolution possible |
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| 23:27.13 | sideup66 | i have managed to change it in my user account which will be the admin of the system but anything before that is stuck in the high resolution, also the shell will jump to that automatically |
| 23:27.33 | sideup66 | is there any way to specifiy that the system maybe start in a more reasonable resolution regardless what the system wants to do |
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| 23:28.23 | sideup66 | so i guess im asking where to look to change that resolution |
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| 23:35.10 | sideup66 | guess noones around...ah well |
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