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| 00:13.05 | szandor-o | what is with debian-update-6.0.5-i386-DVD-1? |
| 00:13.12 | szandor-o | why "update"? |
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| 00:13.57 | MrNaz` | is arno-iptables-firewall script still a good way to easily configure a firewall or is there something better now? |
| 00:15.09 | dvs | szandor-o: it contains changes since 6.0.0 |
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| 00:15.38 | szandor-o | ok |
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| 00:18.34 | doublehp | hello; I am mounting a servie via sshfs, thus fuse. If mount is performed by root, how to make the volume readable by at least one user ? |
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| 00:19.37 | engla | doublehp: mount options |
| 00:19.49 | doublehp | which one ? |
| 00:20.00 | engla | check the man page |
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| 00:20.16 | doublehp | I know the man page by heart, and I don't see which one can help |
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| 00:20.45 | doublehp | engla: this issue is specific to fuse |
| 00:20.45 | engla | I'm sure there is fuse option for this |
| 00:21.00 | doublehp | yes, maybe, but not in the mount man page |
| 00:21.24 | engla | well then |
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| 00:22.39 | szandor-o | how come that the "update" dvd is not bootable? |
| 00:23.08 | ruli | anyone have any info on 3.4 kernel going into debian? |
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| 00:24.32 | sideup66 | hey is anyone on here |
| 00:24.40 | sideup66 | i tried earlier with a question but had no replies |
| 00:24.54 | dondelelcaro | sideup66: best to just ask |
| 00:25.09 | sideup66 | i did earlier, didnt get a reply but heregoes... |
| 00:25.23 | engla | doublehp: check the fuse man page |
| 00:25.44 | sideup66 | I just recently set up an older desktop I have with debian squeeze to be used as a home server machine in my home network, and all is going well on that front, however Im having a small graphics issue with an nvidia card |
| 00:26.13 | sideup66 | my machine has the nvidia mx400 card and unlike most users im not having a problem of too low resolution, its too high! |
| 00:26.31 | doublehp | engla: which man page ? |
| 00:26.37 | engla | fuse |
| 00:26.46 | sideup66 | and I can change it at logon within debian's gui no problem and it works fine, but anything before that the resolution is too high and im not quite sure where to start in terms of bringing that down |
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| 00:26.50 | doublehp | engla: no such man page |
| 00:26.57 | engla | fuse(8) ? |
| 00:27.01 | doublehp | no |
| 00:27.25 | sideup66 | mainly the headache is that the shell screen before it loads to login is hardly readable and i can see that turning ugly fast if the system ever went south on me |
| 00:27.32 | doublehp | fusermount(1) is just ... a squeleton |
| 00:27.38 | engla | mount.fuse |
| 00:27.39 | engla | ? |
| 00:27.43 | doublehp | non existant |
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| 00:38.03 | engla | ruli: well if wheezy is going to be based on 3.2, then 3.4 won't appear for a long time outside experimental |
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| 00:38.07 | doublehp | engla: did you ever use fuse, or do you just give me basic traditionnal tips ? |
| 00:38.07 | doublehp | engla: I said this issue is specific to fuse; there is no man page to help me on my debian or gentoo workstations ... |
| 00:38.07 | doublehp | engla: general fuse documentation can be found in ... "man sshfs" ... what I need is -o allow_other |
| 00:38.07 | doublehp | that was really counter intuitive :/ |
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| 00:38.50 | engla | doublehp: i have that man page. find it on the web or so |
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| 00:40.10 | doublehp | engla: you have which one ? sshfs, I am reading it, testing stuff now |
| 00:40.11 | engla | the ones I told you about.. |
| 00:40.11 | doublehp | engla: man fuse: google gives many non relevant answers |
| 00:40.11 | doublehp | man sshfs does it |
| 00:40.11 | engla | you need to learn to solve problems yourself. great. |
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| 00:41.12 | doublehp | fuse is a specific case where nothing is intuitive. |
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| 00:45.41 | gnarface | ow |
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| 00:45.46 | sideup66 | ruli: haha :D not really, the system runs like a top its just this display problem |
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| 00:45.46 | sideup66 | somthing just farted... |
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| 00:46.10 | sideup66 | lets start with the boot where we were editing grub and see where I wind up... |
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| 00:47.02 | ruli | sideup66: after that /etc/X11/xorg.conf will manage you gdm presumably |
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| 00:47.25 | danols_work_ | is there a utility out there to check directory sizes ? a fancy version like htop ? |
| 00:47.28 | sideup66 | ruli: the problem was when I looked in the x11 folder there was no xorg.conf |
| 00:47.29 | danols_work_ | dutop ? |
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| 00:47.50 | danols_work_ | or how do you guys check directory sizes easly in console ? |
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| 00:48.07 | sideup66 | so with some googling i found how to force it to make one, which was stopping the server and running xorg -configure |
| 00:48.19 | sideup66 | which made an xorg.conf that I pastebinned |
| 00:48.32 | sideup66 | and I was not able to figure out where to change it |
| 00:48.44 | sideup66 | http://pastebin.com/QYfr100V |
| 00:48.50 | zukalk | danols_work_, like `du -sh <path>`? |
| 00:48.51 | sideup66 | thats the xorg.conf I got ^ |
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| 00:49.34 | danols_work_ | zukalk yes but anything better then that ? think top vs htop |
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| 00:50.01 | zukalk | danols_work_, i've never felt the need for more |
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| 00:50.29 | zukalk | danols_work_, what would you want to do? constantly monitor a dir's size? |
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| 00:50.34 | danols_work_ | zukalk I see, trying to find which directories are taking space |
| 00:50.46 | danols_work_ | zukalk more like explore which onese I can clean up |
| 00:50.50 | zukalk | oh |
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| 00:51.06 | danols_work_ | I have a vps 20gig and that easily fills up |
| 00:51.14 | zukalk | danols_work_, i think there's a GUI tool called Baobab. used to be around a few years ago |
| 00:51.23 | danols_work_ | console only |
| 00:51.27 | zukalk | oh ok |
| 00:51.30 | danols_work_ | hmm anyone else can think of anything ? |
| 00:51.32 | sussudio | FFFUUUU |
| 00:51.34 | danols_work_ | zukalk thank you :) |
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| 00:51.39 | zukalk | danols_work_, np |
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| 00:51.53 | ruli | sideup66: ask in #ubuntu honestly |
| 00:52.17 | sussudio | danols_work_: giant mice fighting spiders. |
| 00:52.30 | sideup66 | ...im guessing they have this problem more? I did read about the recent plauge of issues with nvidia drivers |
| 00:52.43 | danols_work_ | sussudio epic |
| 00:52.52 | sideup66 | im just stumped on that because this isnt any high end card |
| 00:52.57 | sideup66 | or new one for that matter |
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| 00:53.46 | ruli | sideup66: i dunno but there's more ppl willing to help there in any event. you haven't even said what driver you're using anyway |
| 00:54.15 | sideup66 | oh sorry well its nvidia mx400 so its whatever the system decided to use |
| 00:54.23 | sideup66 | that is the card |
| 00:54.54 | sideup66 | does this command tell me which drivers im using? |
| 00:55.06 | sideup66 | grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:55.19 | sideup66 | its essentially what i ran, output is small so i can paste here if ok |
| 00:55.48 | ruli | sideup66: right so ask over there, for the things you're looking for the system acts basically the same |
| 00:56.27 | sideup66 | ok i will...im going to try one thought i have too, its silly but may be what the problem is anyway... |
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| 01:05.08 | danols_work_ | zukalk freaken at last, hard to google it but found it through an indirect link --- http://dev.yorhel.nl/ncdu/man |
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| 01:05.25 | danols_work_ | this is going on my blog as a tip |
| 01:05.49 | zukalk | danols_work_, nice |
| 01:06.26 | danols_work_ | hope it's good, it's analyzing all files |
| 01:06.33 | danols_work_ | anywho take care all |
| 01:06.36 | danols_work_ | thanks zukalk bye |
| 01:06.44 | zukalk | bye |
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| 01:06.58 | danols_work_ | zukalk ohh it's good |
| 01:07.01 | danols_work_ | install it |
| 01:07.05 | danols_work_ | :) |
| 01:07.12 | zukalk | oh, good to know |
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| 01:07.59 | sje46 | Hello. I seem to recall on Ubuntu that you could run gnome twice, on two different "virtual terminals", I guess. Is this possible on debian, and how? |
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| 01:08.27 | sje46 | So effectively be on two gui's at one time controllable by contral alt F-key |
| 01:08.52 | ruli | sje46: eyp. i dunno how gnome works but i bet theres a menu somewhere to log in as another user |
| 01:09.08 | ruli | unless it's gnome shell which i hear doesn't even have a turn off computer menu |
| 01:09.27 | JoeHazzers | ruli: no menu, but you can hold alt or shift or something |
| 01:09.40 | ruli | ah i see |
| 01:09.55 | peterrooney | someone remind me how to make pagers and editors, when exiting, NOT replace what they were showing with what was on the terminal before they were invoked. |
| 01:10.05 | Pnoexz | hey, anybody in charge of the bot (dpkg) online atm? |
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| 01:10.15 | sje46 | Before gnome shell, ruli. I actually want to open up fluxbox in the other gui, not gnome |
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| 01:11.14 | ruli | sje46: ya so i assume you logged in via gdm. you use a menu somewhere to log in as a different user which takes you back to gdm and you log back in with a different session, fluxbox |
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| 01:11.36 | JoeHazzers | peterrooney: why would you want that? |
| 01:11.49 | engla | peterrooney: with less you have less -X, don't know in general |
| 01:12.12 | sje46 | CowboyNeal: neal cassady? |
| 01:12.14 | JoeHazzers | all i know about such issues is that vim is a bitch to get working properly in GNU screen |
| 01:12.28 | engla | JoeHazzers: it shouldn't be hard. |
| 01:12.42 | JoeHazzers | engla: oh, it works. it just leaves... residue |
| 01:12.56 | peterrooney | JoeHazzers: because I was reading a man page, and wanted to type some things that were on it on the command line - and they were NOT all on one line, so I couldn't use mouse selection/paste |
| 01:13.12 | sje46 | ruli: when i do that, it just brings me back to this session |
| 01:13.37 | peterrooney | engla: "shouldn't be" is great in theory. |
| 01:14.04 | ruli | sje46: you mean a new session or the old session that never exited? |
| 01:14.31 | engla | peterrooney: setting LESS=-X will work for less and man I think |
| 01:14.56 | sje46 | CowboyNeal: oh, apparently you're another famous person named pater soething. Never heard of you. I have heard of neal cassady. He's awesome. |
| 01:15.26 | peterrooney | engla: except I use 'most' and 'nano' |
| 01:15.26 | sje46 | ruli: new session. |
| 01:15.45 | sje46 | I' trying to learn fluxbox, but I want gnome open while I do that. |
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| 01:15.53 | jpinx | I have to chop and change between different kbd layouts - US, UK and ES. Is there an easy way to so this? |
| 01:16.08 | peterrooney | ^W really isn't "erase word" in Xchat... |
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| 01:16.51 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 01:16.56 | ruli | sje46: well either you're not selecting fluxbox as your session and you're already in a new xorg terminal you can ctrl+alt to or you're selecting "log out" instead of "switch user" or something from your gnome session |
| 01:17.02 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to compile and add program to pkg-config ? |
| 01:17.58 | sje46 | ruli: Swear to god, I've selected fluxbox every time |
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| 01:18.11 | sje46 | although, perhaps i could just add a new user. I'll try that |
| 01:19.01 | ruli | sje46: have you ever logged in successfully as fluxbox before? |
| 01:19.33 | sje46 | ruli: yes. |
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| 01:19.47 | sje46 | although I couldnt figure it out, but this isn't #fluxbox :P |
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| 01:23.00 | sje46 | ruli: Yeah, had to create another user, but it's working now |
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| 01:23.41 | ruli | sje46: strange. i would assume that worked for gnome. maybe it' s a gnome thing i dunno |
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| 01:26.12 | Pnoexz1 | hey, im trying to get a usb soundcard to work, however, even if lsusb sees the card, it wont start the modules needed. Any tips? |
| 01:26.27 | gnarface | um, did i dream this or is mysql 5.1 (on squeeze) really not capable of binding to more than one ip address? (0.0.0.0 doesn't count as more than one ip address in the context of my question) |
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| 01:28.01 | cedr | gnarface: if it isn't you can always use iptables :P |
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| 01:30.05 | gnarface | cedr: how though, if one of the two ip's i want to specify is the lo (127.0.0.1) device inside the guest? |
| 01:30.56 | gnarface | cedr: guest has a public ip, a private ip, and the local ip. i want to listen on the private ip and the local ip, but not the public ip |
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| 01:34.01 | ktorvalds | Hello. I'm having some trouble with mailx. I'm getting the message "temporary mail file: No space left on device" when I try to send mail, and I'm not receiving either (I've sent test emails from another email address). How might I find out more about the problem? |
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| 01:38.28 | danols_work_ | zukalk fyi another awesome utility, midnight commander, if you ever used dos's norton commander it's exactly like that, -- it has an option to select all and calc directory sizes --- I am one happy dude now |
| 01:38.45 | danols_work_ | console based so perfect for remote servers |
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| 01:53.44 | peterrooney | ktorvalds: df -h | grep ^[F/] |
| 01:54.11 | peterrooney | or just 'df' if you feel like a glutton for punishment |
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| 01:55.33 | ktorvalds | thanks |
| 01:55.42 | ktorvalds | hmm seems their root partition is full |
| 01:56.01 | ktorvalds | and they're in Germany so I guess I'll have to wait a few hours |
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| 02:14.05 | matlock | so basically i'd like an audible alert when i plug in a flash drive, debian squeeze |
| 02:14.39 | matlock | doesn't have to be flash drive specific, can really be for any usb device |
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| 02:29.29 | sideup66 | hello room maybe i can get help, i was sent to the ubuntu page earlier and they were too busy whining that the version of nix i was working on isnt ubuntu |
| 02:29.35 | sideup66 | someone here sent me there |
| 02:29.36 | sideup66 | :/ |
| 02:31.11 | sideup66 | im having a problem with my nvidia mx400 graphics card in debian 6.0 "squeeze" on a gateway monitor, for some reason when booting the resolution is being set too high by the debian system, i have just tried tweaking the grub config to bring it back down which gives me 800x600 goodness on the old monitor then jumps back up to the crazy high resolution again |
| 02:31.33 | sideup66 | the thing is so high text in the shell is hardly readable and it stays that high up to the logon page |
| 02:32.14 | sideup66 | I have debian automatically logging in at which point I changed a user configuration in System>preferences>monitor to a more reasonable resolution (1024x768) and it works just fine |
| 02:32.30 | sideup66 | can anyone help me get the resolution back down, im really stumped and dont know where to go next |
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| 02:35.19 | craigevil | grub resolution and desktop resolution are two different things, grub >https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
| 02:35.27 | craigevil | for X try using xrandr |
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| 02:37.00 | sideup66 | ok how do I use xrandr |
| 02:37.19 | sideup66 | well nevermind stupid question |
| 02:37.28 | sideup66 | haha i ran it and got a boatload of resolutions spat out |
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| 02:38.29 | sideup66 | craigevil: what do i do with those readouts? |
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| 02:38.56 | craigevil | read the man page, its pretty simple |
| 02:39.31 | sideup66 | hmm ok |
| 02:42.32 | sideup66 | ok running xrandr in my tty prompt |
| 02:42.47 | sideup66 | using tty1, it says cant open somthing (text is too small to read :( ) |
| 02:43.04 | sideup66 | i ran xrandr -s 1024x768 |
| 02:43.22 | jpinx | in a vm of debian stable running on a host of XP, I can not seem to get the keyboard layout right. dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration in the vm asks me all the right questions, but does not actually do anything. The hardware is an eeepc with spanish keyboard and XP home pre-installed in spanish. My native language is UK english. |
| 02:43.49 | jpinx | in the vm I added the locales for .es (dpkg-reonfigure locales) successfully |
| 02:44.24 | jpinx | but the kbd remains with what I assume is EN-US :( |
| 02:45.06 | sideup66 | ok the error states cannot open display |
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| 02:46.47 | jpinx | and loadkeys es tells me there is no such file :( |
| 02:48.04 | roboman2444 | hm... #wine is invite only |
| 02:48.14 | roboman2444 | but... i have wine problems |
| 02:48.16 | gnarface | roboman2444: #winehq |
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| 02:48.37 | gnarface | roboman2444: fyi most the time when you get "invite only" it means "wrong channel name, bozo" |
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| 02:48.57 | roboman2444 | heh |
| 02:49.51 | gnarface | roboman2444: they have to make the obvious dupes invite-only or otherwise noobs would pile in there till nobody knew what the real channel was anymore |
| 02:50.27 | dalias | :) |
| 02:50.41 | roboman2444 | yea, i see now |
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| 02:57.28 | gnarface | argh |
| 02:57.40 | gnarface | i'm failing to figure out how to use netcat to tunnel mysql traffic |
| 02:57.54 | gnarface | anyone here got any pointers for me? |
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| 03:04.30 | sideup66 | ok im back, problems is persisting, i played with the commands but they dont do anything |
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| 03:04.56 | sideup66 | mind you the machine runs on an old nvidia card, do I need to load the proprietary nvidia driver to restore sanity to my system? despite the age of the card? |
| 03:05.07 | sideup66 | its not a modern card by any means, its an mx400 |
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| 03:09.38 | ssokolow | How do I force a config file to be reset to the one installed by a package? |
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| 03:11.29 | ssokolow | I've tried things like "dpkg --force-confmiss" but it still says "Not replacing deleted config file ..." |
| 03:12.10 | craigevil | !confmiss |
| 03:12.11 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 03:13.23 | ssokolow | Didn't work. Same as when I used dpkg directly. "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini" |
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| 03:16.13 | ssokolow | Ok. I didn't have time to wait. I just purged and reinstalled the whole package. |
| 03:16.51 | Kaede_ | I have a "stable" (as in doesn't crash or have any major problems) wheezy system. With apt or similar, is there a way to update only packages which have been updated to fix security issues? The security repos seem to be limited to squeeze/stable. |
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| 03:18.40 | Joelito | hi guys, is there a squeeze/stable debian version with kernel bigmem as ISO CD? |
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| 03:19.37 | craigevil | Kaede, install debsecan, then do apt-get update && apt-get install $(debsecan --suite testing --format packages --only-fixed) |
| 03:20.14 | sideup66 | hello again evil |
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| 03:20.38 | Kaede | So it will basically filter out packages which only have fixes applied, rather than being generic version updates? |
| 03:20.46 | craigevil | yep |
| 03:20.55 | sideup66 | craigevil: yeah the randr didnt didnt seem to work |
| 03:21.46 | sideup66 | it gave an error in tty about not being able to grab the monitor and when I booted inrecovery I loaded the shell (which was tiny still) and then the ui which was still tiny, at that point randr worked |
| 03:21.54 | sideup66 | but didnt know where to go from there |
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| 03:22.42 | Kaede | Thanks... nothing irritates me more than getting things stable, then random app XYZ pulling in a bunch of new package versions full of bugs :P |
| 03:23.03 | Vasistha | somehow my icedove config got corrupted ... I guess ... because when I start icedove, it does not show any of my mail folders. the folders area is totally empty. |
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| 03:23.45 | sideup66 | what i didnt understand, when I ran xorg -config it created the file, fine, but looking in it, there are like 4 display entries, i have one monitor...on a hardware kvm, which even so shouldnt read that way |
| 03:24.07 | craigevil | Vasistha, create a new icedove profile, you can also try starting it in safemode to see if the problem is caused by an extension or theme |
| 03:24.57 | sideup66 | when i took that snap actually it was bypassed thinking back |
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| 03:25.44 | sideup66 | ... im lost really |
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| 03:26.57 | Vasistha | craigevil: okay, cool, that's showing my folders and messages, a big step in the right direction |
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| 03:30.31 | sideup66 | craigevil: out of ideas at this point? im just frustrated, I have my entire system ready to go as being a home server and I have this bug |
| 03:31.07 | craigevil | no clue ive never had to mess with resolution its always just worked |
| 03:31.31 | sideup66 | hmm im wondering if the nvidia card has an issue honestly |
| 03:31.47 | sideup66 | never had this either, resolution just works 9x10 |
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| 03:34.52 | koobs` | Anyone know of a way to see current sockets listen queue lengths? |
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| 03:39.24 | gnarface | koobs`: i don't know but did you check netstat? |
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| 03:41.33 | Vasistha | so, icedove starts in safe mode. now I need to get it started in regular mode. What to do? |
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| 03:54.52 | Vasistha | ah - disabled an extension, restarted in regular mode, and it worked! then re-enabled the extension, restarted again, and all is well. |
| 03:55.52 | gnarface | good alternatives to stunnel that aren't encrypted? |
| 03:56.05 | gnarface | good way to make mysql listen on two ip addresses but not all of them? |
| 03:56.15 | gnarface | good way to make netcat not exit after client disconnect... |
| 03:56.22 | gnarface | any of the above would be appreciated |
| 03:58.12 | koobs` | gnarface: ;ive looked but cant find anything listen queue size related (tried -ee) |
| 03:58.23 | dalias | if you're using netcat in a serious deployment, you have bigger problems than how to avoid it exiting... |
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| 03:59.03 | koobs` | gnarface: its only listening sockets im interested (of course) |
| 03:59.09 | koobs` | theyre the only ones who set the socket options |
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| 04:05.20 | stew | I like to move it move it |
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| 04:11.10 | stew | I just dist-upgraded my debian woody install to debian-mint 12 and my binary nvidia drivers stopped working, can someone help me switch from kde to gnome 2.4? i have gnome-2.4.rar but it wont unzip with unrar-free? |
| 04:11.59 | stew | actually nevermind all of that |
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| 04:25.32 | Myke974 | Hi there ! I 'm noob to debian - Am I in the right chan ? :D |
| 04:26.51 | xeon-enouf | !welcome Myke974 |
| 04:27.07 | xeon-enouf | fails |
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| 04:27.30 | xeon-enouf | !tell Myke974 hello |
| 04:27.43 | xeon-enouf | fails miserably |
| 04:28.46 | xeon-enouf | is dpkgbot still alive? (it's been years) |
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| 04:29.32 | xeon-enouf | 00:35:32 <dpkg> No, xeon-enouf, I won't. (target invalid?) # i guess so :-p |
| 04:30.36 | gnarface | dalias: its just one of the dev vservers. the developers are fucking lazy |
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| 04:39.08 | Zeranoe | Does anyone know if evolution can safely be removed? I see a lot of core packages that will be removed if I do so, are they all meta packages? |
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| 05:57.54 | daniel-s__ | hi |
| 05:58.26 | daniel-s__ | is it possible to install openoffice, even if by default debian has swapped over to libreoffice? |
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| 06:06.27 | dizzylizzy | daniel-s, sure |
| 06:06.37 | dizzylizzy | download it from the apache website and install it that way |
| 06:06.38 | dizzylizzy | :P |
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| 06:09.14 | dizzylizzy | oh wow, they've even got a .deb |
| 06:09.17 | dizzylizzy | I'm curious whether it conflicts |
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| 06:20.28 | riadh | Hi, I'm trying to setup a new debian machine with 3 2TB hd in raid 5. |
| 06:20.56 | Snoork | hi. Just wondering if anyone can tell me why the proftpd-mysql package isn't available in the standard repos on 6.0.5? or if there is an equivalent? |
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| 06:21.15 | riadh | durring the installation, when I set up the partitions, I'm not able to set the bootable flag to on, is it normal? |
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| 06:21.27 | riadh | therefore, I'm not able to install grub or lilo... |
| 06:21.57 | sxpert1 | it shouldn't be needed |
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| 06:22.18 | sxpert1 | you should have a separate /boot partition that is NOT in an lvm though |
| 06:23.07 | wolfaba | Hallo. Does anyone use squeeze-backports repo? I got error "Incorrect Signature" for http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release{,.gpg}. I have downloaded both file, apt-key export 473041FA | gpg --import, and then gpg --verify Release.gpg Release and it comes "gpg: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"". |
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| 06:23.39 | wolfaba | Both files have modification time 25-May-2012 05:35. |
| 06:23.49 | sxpert1 | Snoork: it's called proftpd-mod-mysq |
| 06:23.55 | sxpert1 | Snoork: it's called proftpd-mod-mysql even |
| 06:24.32 | Snoork | right. Thanks. Figured that out myself just now, for some reason it didn't occur to me to google squeeze instead of the version number. We'll put that down to a brain fail.. |
| 06:24.34 | Snoork | thanks though. |
| 06:25.10 | sxpert1 | aptitude search proftpd works too |
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| 06:33.35 | sideup66 | hey folks im back again |
| 06:33.36 | sideup66 | -_- |
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| 06:34.11 | sideup66 | does anyone know if when you do a clean install of debian squeeze if any graphics drivers are loaded by the stupid thing |
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| 06:35.23 | sideup66 | because im having the tiny screen problem again, i fixed it earlier but it trashed the appearance of gnome in the process so I just wiped, what I did to clear the issue last time I found somthing up with the nouveau driver (dont know why that loaded) and removed it, I put on one of the older nonfree nvidia drivers |
| 06:35.27 | sideup66 | and it seemed to kinda help |
| 06:35.38 | sideup66 | but after a clean install the problem came back, this time I did NOT load a gui |
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| 07:59.56 | nitzs | which version of wine can be expected to make it's way into wheezy? |
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| 08:03.09 | BotaniCar | is there a way to enable smart monitoring tools on debian that's installed as Hyper-v guest ? |
| 08:03.33 | BotaniCar | *that's S.M.A.R.T. |
| 08:05.19 | nitzs | BotaniCar: does the gnome disk utility work? |
| 08:05.37 | nevyn | BotaniCar: that seems nonsensical |
| 08:05.57 | nevyn | unless you're assigning complete devices from the hypervisor |
| 08:06.34 | BotaniCar | nevyn: i'm in process of troubleshooting a nother problem and enabling virtual smart, however nonlogical, might help me solve the ther one. Otherwise i agree |
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| 08:07.11 | nevyn | I don't think it's possible. the hypervisor should block ioctl's to the physical drive |
| 08:07.25 | BotaniCar | nevyn: thank you |
| 08:08.07 | nevyn | BotaniCar: it violates the principle of vm containment (if you can access smart you can access smart selftest and DOS other VM's) |
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| 08:08.48 | BotaniCar | nevyn: i agree, and i am aware that what i asked is illogical, thanks for answer |
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| 08:11.01 | nitzs | nevyn: if the hypervisor blocks ioctl calls, how are we able to input to the VM via a keyboard? |
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| 08:11.21 | nevyn | huh? |
| 08:11.34 | BotaniCar | nitzs: he simplified it for me, if it was *exactly* like that , i wouldnt be able to get any other disk stat either |
| 08:11.46 | nevyn | right. |
| 08:12.04 | nevyn | BotaniCar: you realise you can't trust stats from a vm right? |
| 08:12.11 | nevyn | like they're mostly lies. |
| 08:12.26 | nitzs | okay. so it blocks specific ioctl calls? |
| 08:12.29 | nevyn | you must get metric data from the host. |
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| 08:13.24 | BotaniCar | nevyn: i'm completely aware of virtualization layer influence. As i said, i need a data input to debug a nother issue. I'll manage otherwise |
| 08:13.35 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 08:15.03 | nevyn | nitzs: a hypervisor can't allow unmediated access to real hardware (with the exception of crack like passthrough access which is special) |
| 08:15.10 | nevyn | and crack |
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| 08:17.29 | rdz | hi all. what is the purpose of the libdevmapper1.02 package? Does one still need it on current stable? If so, does one still need in an OpenVZ container running current stable? |
| 08:17.44 | nitzs | so can one not theretically exploit this crack if one wants to? |
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| 08:19.45 | nevyn | nitzs: this is way ot (certainly hyper-v is. and general virtualisation is only tangentally on topic) |
| 08:20.53 | nitzs | yes. i see. |
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| 09:11.15 | shahab | how to install repo? |
| 09:12.17 | ompaul | shahab: you should have repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list what one are you trying to "install" |
| 09:12.41 | ompaul | shahab: the way to think about repos is to think of them as being added not installed, you install from them |
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| 09:13.20 | shahab | ompaul: thanks |
| 09:13.34 | ompaul | shahab: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 09:30.22 | kripz | what does it mean when a package has {a} on the end? |
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| 09:33.40 | ompaul | kripz: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=23510 |
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| 09:34.41 | kripz | doesnt make sense for me: http://pastebin.com/eGfFfPFK |
| 09:36.31 | ompaul | its going to upgrade that package |
| 09:36.49 | ectospasm | it means that package is automatically added |
| 09:36.57 | ectospasm | well, {a} does |
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| 09:37.19 | jelly | kripz: that's not the complete output of the command, is it |
| 09:37.33 | kripz | jelly, thats everything |
| 09:37.53 | jelly | kripz: what was the command line? |
| 09:38.04 | kripz | sudo apititude upgrade |
| 09:38.29 | kripz | sudo apt-get update holds back that package |
| 09:40.00 | jelly | kripz: your package "debian-multimedia-keyring" gained new dependencies. I'll assume you meant "apt-get upgrade" instead of "apt-get update". This is one of the situations where aptitude and apt-get behaviour differs. |
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| 09:43.24 | jelly | kripz: aptitude's safe-upgrade will happily install new dependencies if they dont interfere with any other installed package. apt-get's upgrade won't |
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| 09:43.56 | jelly | kripz: ("upgrade" is the old name for "safe-upgrade" ... I think aptitude warns you about that, but you say that's the whole output so I'm a bit puzzled.) |
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| 09:59.53 | ggherdov | i all. I just "switched user", logged in with the new user, and I have a blank screen. What can I do? apart from don't panicking, which isn't that easy (reboot is not an option). CTRL+ALT+F{1,2,3,...,12} doesn't do anything. |
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| 10:01.35 | SomeoneWeird | ,version mysql-server |
| 10:01.36 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.1.61-3; sid: 5.1.62-1; sid: 5.5.23-2; sid: 5.5.23+dfsg-1 |
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| 10:02.23 | ggherdov | EDIT: I was wrong. It is just damn slow. It is swapping like crazy (about 1 GB). |
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| 10:03.07 | codekK | hi all, how i can search a string on a multiple files ?? |
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| 10:03.19 | themill | codekK: grep |
| 10:03.27 | codekK | grep string files ? |
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| 10:07.19 | codekK | themill, thx |
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| 10:16.00 | unkn-error | what is the pastebunz / pastie for debian? |
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| 10:17.05 | ompaul | http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:20.39 | unkn-error | so there is not command as lspci | pastebunz? |
| 10:20.45 | unkn-error | anyway, http://paste.debian.net/171120/ |
| 10:21.00 | unkn-error | I am trying to figure out which is my wireless card |
| 10:21.17 | ompaul | !ṭell unkn-error about paste |
| 10:21.41 | ompaul | unkn-error: that will htell you (assuming the bot is here) |
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| 10:22.03 | cedr | !tell unkn-error about paste |
| 10:22.20 | cedr | ompaul: You had ṭ instead of t :) |
| 10:22.21 | ompaul | pastebinit |
| 10:22.35 | ompaul | ahh |
| 10:22.42 | ompaul | !pastebinit |
| 10:22.43 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 10:22.47 | unkn-error | htell did nothing, dpkg said smtg :_ |
| 10:22.48 | unkn-error | :) |
| 10:22.50 | SomeoneWeird | im getting "Package libzip1 is not installed." but i can't find it in apt |
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| 10:23.51 | ompaul | 02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Yamaha Corporation YMF-754 [DS-1E Audio Controller] [1073:0012] |
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| 10:25.24 | nsadmin | pastebinit is a great idea, but it defaults to pastebin.com which I (and maybe others) find annoying for several reasons... if you do too, get nopaste by installing libapp-nopaste-perl (you may notice it wants to install a large handful of -perl packages; they are all tiny) |
| 10:25.57 | ompaul | nsadmin: can we amend the bot to change that |
| 10:26.05 | ompaul | and redirect to the land of sanity |
| 10:26.06 | unkn-error | I saw " wolfy@tiny:~$ less /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api " |
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| 10:27.52 | nsadmin | Id love to ammend the archive to have pastebinit default to a different site, and what, stick that in backports? |
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| 10:30.02 | nsadmin | maybe !pastebinit could be altered to add "see also: <nopaste>" |
| 10:30.40 | nsadmin | also, I think pastebinit doesn't default to pastebin.com in later releases |
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| 10:32.02 | unkn-error | I wish to add some more repros & mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list but from the command line, now I have only this: https://gist.github.com/2787200 |
| 10:32.07 | unkn-error | how do I do that? |
| 10:32.14 | nsadmin | I dunno, I sometimes wonder if the ubuntu guy who's also maintaining pastebinit for debian has some interest in pastebin.com |
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| 10:32.56 | ompaul | at a guess he doesn't want to do paste.ubuntu.com |
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| 10:33.10 | ompaul | one package etc |
| 10:33.13 | nsadmin | unkn-error: I kinda like m4 which is a macro language... and, this would require you to learn some m4 |
| 10:33.16 | ompaul | at a guess |
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| 10:33.46 | nsadmin | I'll back off on that comment for now |
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| 10:35.02 | nsadmin | I just wish he would fix it instead of refusing to do so |
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| 10:38.00 | unkn-error | hm |
| 10:39.00 | nsadmin | unkn-error, in my case I happen to know some of m4 from other things, so it was kinda natural to me |
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| 10:39.23 | unkn-error | nsadmin: you are kidding? |
| 10:39.35 | unkn-error | I am a little bit confused as I know |
| 10:39.51 | unkn-error | that I have to " nano /etc/apt/soruces.list " |
| 10:40.00 | nsadmin | not at all. I can show you my sources.list.m4 and the makefile in /etc/apt |
| 10:40.13 | unkn-error | but I have no Ideea on what the internet will bee |
| 10:40.25 | unkn-error | as I wish to add also there ftp. iasi roedu |
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| 10:40.55 | unkn-error | and I saw that there are others too like something.xservers.ro |
| 10:40.58 | nsadmin | ftp.iasiro.edu? |
| 10:41.24 | nsadmin | or ftp.iasi.ro? |
| 10:41.30 | unkn-error | http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/ |
| 10:41.33 | unkn-error | this one |
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| 10:42.13 | unkn-error | and this one http://mirrors.xservers.ro/ |
| 10:42.14 | nsadmin | ok, and is that an official mirror, or has outside packages you want? |
| 10:42.40 | unkn-error | in case the other ones will not work |
| 10:43.06 | unkn-error | I am wondering also if there is a command like "mirrorsort or reprosort" from the command line |
| 10:43.30 | unkn-error | the machine is here, in my room, I can edit stuff from synaptic |
| 10:43.33 | nsadmin | oh, that's also why I like my sources.list.m4... change the site in one place, run make, and it writes a sources.list that has that site everywhere |
| 10:43.38 | unkn-error | but I wish to do it only by command line |
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| 10:44.59 | nsadmin | in both of these methods (just editing the file, and using my (kinda weird) thing), either way you have to edit something |
| 10:46.03 | nsadmin | ok, let me try to understand exactly what you want... you want to run a command that changes the mirror site? |
| 10:46.29 | nsadmin | and then regenerate sources.list, then run aptitude update, etc etc? |
| 10:46.52 | unkn-error | I wish to add some repros, then to sort them in the order of the fastest one get's priority |
| 10:47.17 | nsadmin | ohh, do you know about apt-spy? |
| 10:47.25 | nsadmin | , v apt-spy |
| 10:47.27 | judd | Package: apt-spy on i386 -- lenny: 3.1-19; squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1 |
| 10:47.34 | unkn-error | nope, this is my first time I use debian |
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| 10:47.45 | nsadmin | it finds the fastest mirror |
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| 10:48.35 | unkn-error | is installing apt-spy |
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| 10:49.03 | nsadmin | takes like 10 mins or maybe a bit longer |
| 10:49.12 | nsadmin | but it finds you a fast mirror |
| 10:49.41 | nsadmin | and "I don't know what the internet will be like", just run apt-spy again |
| 10:49.49 | unkn-error | I guess this one will gonna do it apt-spy -d stable -a Europe update |
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| 10:51.03 | unkn-error | I also added backports few moments ago but after apt-get update && upgrade |
| 10:51.27 | unkn-error | didn't do a upgrade of the kernel from 2 to 3 automatically |
| 10:51.35 | unkn-error | why's that? |
| 10:51.58 | nsadmin | you might have to -t squeeze-backports |
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| 10:57.04 | sh00p | So I'm running squeeze on 300 MHz cpu, 64 MB ram, 2 GB hd. Does anybody have any tips for extra performance tuning that might be needed in order to make it run as smoothly as possible on this ancient machien? |
| 10:57.09 | sh00p | machine* |
| 10:57.25 | unkn-error | I will be back later |
| 10:57.38 | nsadmin | unkn-error, did that stuff work? |
| 10:57.51 | unkn-error | nsadmin: it is working |
| 10:57.52 | sh00p | Not gonna be running any servers except sshd, it's supposed to be a test machine for an application connected to a CAN bus |
| 10:57.59 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 10:58.18 | unkn-error | updating some xorg suuff but I have not saw that kernel 3 in the list, but I have to go now :( |
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| 10:59.01 | nsadmin | ok, good luck and come back if you need debian support |
| 10:59.23 | unkn-error | sh00p: did you followed some tutorials for "sliming" debian to run in 64 mb? I am also curious, if you did please pass me the links, I am currently running in 256 ram |
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| 10:59.52 | nsadmin | 256 mb? that should work |
| 11:00.08 | unkn-error | yep, and 6 g of swap |
| 11:00.09 | nsadmin | 64 is somewhat slim |
| 11:00.13 | sh00p | unkn-error, I've tried googling around but most of them revolve around how to set the installer to low-mem mode which is not what I did, I debootstrapped it straight onto a flash card |
| 11:00.48 | unkn-error | http://gist.github.com/2787308 http://gist.github.com/2787308 |
| 11:00.59 | unkn-error | but I also need to stop services like gdm3 etc |
| 11:01.12 | sh00p | the thing is I won't be compiling things on it (except for now when I'm setting it up), It's only gonna run a console application |
| 11:01.39 | unkn-error | I just installed it this night, into a vmware with Pshyical hdd acces, and the ide drive was attached to an usb adaptor, |
| 11:02.51 | unkn-error | because on the machine, the installer freeze at some point because of the dvdrom and some wierd "enchanced ide" bios setting |
| 11:02.58 | unkn-error | away | out |
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| 11:07.11 | krion | !apt-file sources.list |
| 11:08.06 | nsadmin | krion, usually that file is generated |
| 11:10.02 | nsadmin | krion, also, you could: /msg judd file sources.list |
| 11:10.39 | krion | nsadmin: yeah, i'm looking since when the generated file use release name instead of status (squeeze instead stable etc) |
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| 11:12.03 | nsadmin | the implication for you is different |
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| 11:14.02 | nsadmin | for example, if you were to put stable in your sources.list (stop me if you've heard this already), you could be surprised if (say) wheezy becomes stable... the surprise is you get upgraded |
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| 11:16.28 | nsadmin | but, if you use the releasse name, then you keep that version of debian until you decide to change |
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| 11:18.12 | menace | is there anywhere a list of parameters which take the various dh_* tools can get in rules? i cannot find any documentation :< |
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| 11:18.44 | nsadmin | menace, each of those commands has a man page |
| 11:18.57 | nsadmin | the parameters are detailed there |
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| 11:20.36 | menace | "detailed"? bit overrated comment, i would say... |
| 11:20.59 | menace | man dh_installinit does not say anything about DH_INSTALL(_)INIT Parameters |
| 11:21.29 | nsadmin | is that an env var? |
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| 11:27.35 | menace | yep |
| 11:28.12 | nsadmin | are you familiar with these parameters? |
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| 11:41.46 | jpinx | does anyone know offhand if there is an option in rsync to remove empty dirs at the same time as --remove-source-files is operating ? |
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| 11:42.45 | ectospasm | jpinx: --prune-empty-dirs? |
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| 11:43.25 | jpinx | ectospasm: cool - thanks -- didn't see that in man ;) |
| 11:43.35 | ectospasm | jpinx: I just looked up --help (-; |
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| 11:44.02 | jpinx | heh - I'll clean my glasses ;) |
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| 11:47.58 | ekur_i32 | hey; just installed amd drivers; on reboot (using SLIM) slim starts but fails to display graphics and drops me at TTY1 |
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| 11:48.54 | ekur_i32 | no dmesg error |
| 11:49.10 | ectospasm | X error log? |
| 11:49.18 | ekur_i32 | where to find it? |
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| 11:51.18 | ekur_i32 | yes found it; segementation fault |
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| 11:51.36 | hramrach | Hello |
| 11:51.52 | hramrach | my X server has no input devices |
| 11:51.54 | hramrach | why? |
| 11:52.15 | ekur_i32 | ectospasm; the final error is segmentation fault , earlier it shows (WW) fglrx: No matching device section |
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| 11:52.56 | hramrach | I have evdev installed but it is not loaded |
| 11:55.07 | ectospasm | ekur_i32: is fglrx loaded? (lsmod | grep fglrx) |
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| 11:55.39 | g00se | Anyone using a command line url shortener that actually works please let me know what it is? |
| 11:55.47 | ectospasm | g00se: is.gd |
| 11:56.05 | ectospasm | Oh, cmdline |
| 11:56.07 | ectospasm | dur |
| 11:56.09 | ectospasm | I dunno |
| 11:56.35 | g00se | Yes ;) |
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| 11:56.58 | hramrach | ekur_i32: remove xorg.conf, create one with aticonfig -initial |
| 11:57.15 | glitch31415 | hramrach: thank you! that is awesome |
| 11:57.35 | Woet | g00se: write your own using their API |
| 11:57.42 | Woet | g00se: curl -i "http://is.gd/create.php?format=simple&url=www.example.com" |
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| 11:58.06 | g00se | wants to be able to do xclip -o | working-shortener | xclip |
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| 11:58.14 | Woet | or wget -qO- "http://is.gd/create.php?format=simple&url=www.example.com" |
| 11:58.50 | g00se | curl -s -d "url=${url}" http://goo.gl/api/url | sed -n "s/.*:\"\([^\"]*\).*/\1\n/p" now broken |
| 11:59.24 | Woet | g00se: I gave you the examples you need |
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| 12:00.15 | ekur_i32 | ill try that now hramrach |
| 12:00.27 | ekur_i32 | ectospasm yes fglrx is loaded |
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| 12:00.49 | ekur_i32 | soz was checking out bugtracker mentions of similar crashes / errors |
| 12:01.00 | g00se | Woet: thanks - first one works |
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| 12:03.01 | ekur_i32 | restarting |
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| 12:06.17 | ekur_i32 | could i copy my xorg.conf from another install (also deb based, same kernel, same version of fgrlx) |
| 12:06.28 | suroegin | ? |
| 12:06.48 | ekur_i32 | ectospasm; hrmarach : restarting with new aticonfig -initial xorg.conf didnt help. |
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| 12:07.41 | daniel-s_ | hi, what's a "record" in computer science? |
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| 12:07.54 | daniel-s_ | does it have another name that I might be more familiar with? |
| 12:08.26 | hramrach | daniel-s_: record is nothing without context |
| 12:08.33 | ompaul | pressed audio recording on vinyl? |
| 12:08.49 | ekur_i32 | a record daniel-s |
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| 12:08.52 | ompaul | daniel-s_: I imagine you want to discuss context please call into #debian-offtopic thanks |
| 12:08.53 | nkuttler | daniel-s_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_(computer_science) that was hard.. |
| 12:09.20 | ekur_i32 | try 'log' |
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| 12:09.30 | ekur_i32 | if record is to be a noun |
| 12:09.40 | ekur_i32 | as a verb its self-explanatory |
| 12:09.51 | nkuttler | ekur_i32: try it and see |
| 12:09.52 | hramrach | ekur_i32: did you paste the X log and xorg.conf somewhere? |
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| 12:13.24 | ekur_i32 | eh no; how to do that from a commandlinhe? |
| 12:13.52 | ekur_i32 | (running wheezy x86_64 btw) |
| 12:13.58 | nkuttler | !tell ekur_i32 about nopaste |
| 12:14.29 | hramrach | is there any doc on how the damn udev device detection in Xorg is supposed to work? |
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| 12:15.08 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: udev and xorg really have nothing to do with each other. |
| 12:15.08 | hramrach | all the 'guides' assume it is working but it does not detect any devices for me |
| 12:15.28 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: keep sleeping :> |
| 12:15.57 | ekur_i32 | sec ill go check out nopaste |
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| 12:16.08 | gnumdk | Hello |
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| 12:16.50 | g00se | Woet: Thanks again |
| 12:17.09 | gnumdk | Since Debian Squeeze, we can't run su in a shell script (su must be run from a terminal), is there a way to get the old behaviour ? I have a bash cups backend runned by root and that need su to get non privilege user uid... |
| 12:17.36 | hramrach | gnumdk: sudo |
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| 12:20.38 | hramrach | some frobbing of udev gave me the input back but not sure what exactly :s |
| 12:21.12 | jelly | gnumdk: how exactly are you calling su? |
| 12:21.26 | jelly | gnumdk: it works quite fine for me in init scripts |
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| 12:23.15 | xex | i seem to be having troouble with installing the nvidia driver, tty7 just has a flashing cursor and theres no xorg.log. im rather stumped |
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| 12:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | xex: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:25.33 | xex | i did a basic xorg.conf being as how there wasn't one, nor one that 'find' could locate |
| 12:25.36 | parabyte | i had issues with mesa libs |
| 12:25.42 | parabyte | i updated to testing and issue gone away |
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| 12:25.49 | parabyte | i think it was flaky mesa libs |
| 12:26.01 | jelly | xex: which step in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" are you stuck at? |
| 12:26.17 | seravitae | i want to run some processes that are 'out of the way' so i cant break them while they're running. if i make a new user, and open a terminal, su into the user, run the processes ie `sh mytask.sh &` and then exit out of the user, will those processes on the user be destroyed when i `exit` ? |
| 12:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | xex: xorg.conf has been deprecated for several years now unless you need propietary drivers or special settings. |
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| 12:26.50 | parabyte | SerajewelKS, you need screen software package |
| 12:26.55 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: " the nvidia driver, " has significant correlation with "propietary drivers or special settings" |
| 12:26.57 | parabyte | i mean seravitae |
| 12:27.01 | seravitae | hm, ok |
| 12:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | seravitae: No. You need to background them with & or run them in screen. |
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| 12:27.18 | seravitae | well yeah thats what i said using & on the end of the command |
| 12:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | seravitae: You may also want to look at nohup. |
| 12:27.30 | xex | jhutchins_lt: xorg log yeilds no help |
| 12:27.32 | seravitae | but it still stands that when i `exit` that user, the processes will be destroyed? |
| 12:27.33 | parabyte | jhutchins_lt, what about screen? |
| 12:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | parabyte: An excellent option. |
| 12:28.05 | parabyte | i swear by it keeps irc open for months |
| 12:28.05 | parabyte | lol |
| 12:28.13 | xex | lol that it does |
| 12:28.47 | parabyte | any of you guys wrestled trying to get gl working on stupid emac radeon |
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| 12:29.00 | parabyte | i had it working briefly on squeeze and again does not play ball ! |
| 12:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | xex: I would suggest trying it without the xorg.conf first, seeing what the log says, then following dpkg's advice on how to install/configure the proprietary driver. |
| 12:29.11 | parabyte | im getting a weird xorg error log |
| 12:29.21 | xex | somehow ive managed to lose the gdm session, at least i think |
| 12:29.31 | parabyte | loads up libdri detects my card allocates resources does its thing basically then says unloading dri |
| 12:29.36 | parabyte | with no reason in the error log! |
| 12:29.47 | seravitae | ok im looking into screen |
| 12:29.55 | gnumdk | jelly: your init script have a tty |
| 12:30.11 | parabyte | xex, X is the bane of my life too sometimes |
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| 12:30.11 | gnumdk | hramrach: sudo: no tty present |
| 12:30.15 | xex | i see no EE in my xorg, all II's |
| 12:30.30 | xex | parabyte: just nvidia, it makes my head hurt |
| 12:30.31 | jelly | gnumdk: no, no it does not. |
| 12:30.37 | parabyte | yeah it does that! |
| 12:30.40 | seravitae | if im using an x windows based terminal, ive noticed closing that also kills processes spawned from the terminal. is that the case with screen as well - as in, if i open an xterm, then screen, to the other user, run the process backgrounded, screen out, and close the term, will the screen process (and spawned processes) be killed? |
| 12:30.44 | parabyte | just install the nvidia driver |
| 12:30.49 | xex | i did! |
| 12:30.50 | parabyte | usually just works with no tweaking for me |
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| 12:30.55 | xex | thats the one im having trouble with |
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| 12:31.00 | jelly | gnumdk: can you pastebin the actual script you're using? |
| 12:31.03 | parabyte | bummer is the kernel module built? |
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| 12:31.09 | xex | yes |
| 12:31.14 | parabyte | is it loading? |
| 12:31.15 | gnumdk | jelly: https://linuxfr.org/forums/linuxg%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral/posts/probleme-avec-su--2 |
| 12:31.20 | xex | im not sure how to check |
| 12:31.24 | parabyte | lsmod |
| 12:31.26 | parabyte | or dmesg |
| 12:31.29 | parabyte | usually gives me indications |
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| 12:31.45 | parabyte | xex, i do run my nvidia driver with a custom xorg.conf |
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| 12:31.57 | pullover | hey guys |
| 12:31.58 | xex | lmfao, nothing in lsmod |
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| 12:32.11 | parabyte | try running lsmod as super user |
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| 12:32.16 | xex | ok |
| 12:32.23 | parabyte | same result? |
| 12:32.23 | jhutchins_lt | seravitae: We suggest you have a look at what screen is and what it can do. |
| 12:32.30 | seravitae | yeah im reading the man page now |
| 12:32.32 | parabyte | if there is no modules being listed something is very broken! |
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| 12:32.38 | xex | parabyte: yes, no results |
| 12:32.38 | seravitae | i just asked that because it wasnt clear in the manpage so far |
| 12:32.46 | parabyte | xex, VERY broken lol |
| 12:32.47 | xex | i am greping for nvidia of coourse |
| 12:32.50 | xex | :( |
| 12:32.55 | parabyte | xex, best thing i suggest is to backup /home |
| 12:32.58 | parabyte | and any data you have |
| 12:33.05 | parabyte | and just reinstall debian |
| 12:33.05 | xex | fresh install, nothing important on here |
| 12:33.24 | parabyte | xex if you want the educational exercise so you know how to repair it by all means keep on |
| 12:33.28 | parabyte | otherwise just reinstall |
| 12:33.32 | parabyte | i would at this point personally |
| 12:33.58 | xex | if i wasn't sleep de[rived, id go for the 'hand-in-meat-grinder' learning method |
| 12:33.59 | parabyte | obviously udev not working for some reason |
| 12:34.00 | xex | but ill pass |
| 12:34.12 | xex | deprived |
| 12:34.15 | parabyte | download latest iso |
| 12:34.20 | xex | i did |
| 12:34.25 | parabyte | have a sleep |
| 12:34.28 | parabyte | and reinstall tomorrow |
| 12:34.43 | parabyte | give you a better debian experience :) |
| 12:34.45 | xex | ive been up since 2, its 8am |
| 12:34.48 | xex | lol |
| 12:34.54 | parabyte | xex local time here is 13:34 |
| 12:34.57 | parabyte | i just started again |
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| 12:35.06 | parabyte | trying to work out why my damn xorg does not like my dri |
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| 12:35.10 | parabyte | driving me insane tbh |
| 12:35.24 | xex | also, why was there no xorg.conf in skel/ ? |
| 12:35.31 | xex | find as super didn't see it |
| 12:35.33 | parabyte | i need to use testing really,. cause of the newer libs for my multimedia software |
| 12:35.39 | xex | only two in example folders in /usr |
| 12:35.42 | parabyte | but if i cant get opengl to work i dont get full use |
| 12:35.56 | parabyte | xex, they dont use xorg.conf's so much nowadays |
| 12:35.58 | pullover | i want to grab authenication information when user does failure logins. |
| 12:36.04 | parabyte | xorg usually good at detecting everything |
| 12:36.09 | pullover | ssh & ftp |
| 12:36.11 | parabyte | i dont let it though i prefer manually |
| 12:36.16 | xex | so then the wiki article i read to get this working is out of date? |
| 12:36.28 | parabyte | xex, two example folders in /usr! |
| 12:36.31 | parabyte | its so broken! |
| 12:36.43 | parabyte | xex give up on this install its BROKEN as |
| 12:36.51 | xex | ok noted |
| 12:37.06 | xex | im gonna go get me some food |
| 12:37.08 | xex | thanks |
| 12:37.08 | parabyte | what did you do to break it so bad? |
| 12:37.12 | parabyte | im curious |
| 12:37.19 | xex | i just followed the wiki |
| 12:37.26 | parabyte | !!!!!!! |
| 12:37.27 | dpkg | hmm... !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
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| 12:37.30 | parabyte | whats the url |
| 12:37.31 | xex | the debian way of installing the nvidia driver |
| 12:37.35 | parabyte | ahhhh |
| 12:37.39 | parabyte | xex i usually do it my way! |
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| 12:37.48 | xex | !google debian nvidia |
| 12:37.55 | parabyte | i take debian out of the equation |
| 12:37.59 | xex | lol |
| 12:38.00 | parabyte | i just grab latest nvidia code |
| 12:38.03 | parabyte | from nvidia |
| 12:38.03 | parabyte | ! |
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| 12:38.16 | xex | i mean i know how to use patch and do it the absolute hard way |
| 12:38.17 | parabyte | and make sure i got all the libs and dev code i need |
| 12:38.23 | xex | but i figured im tired, ill make it easy |
| 12:38.29 | xex | guess not |
| 12:38.29 | parabyte | dont need to use patch |
| 12:38.36 | parabyte | your making it more difficult then it needs to be! |
| 12:38.47 | parabyte | just grab nvidia binary run it and it does litraly everything you need |
| 12:38.54 | parabyte | try it on a fresh install though |
| 12:38.55 | xex | oh ok |
| 12:38.59 | xex | alright |
| 12:39.01 | parabyte | this install you got it i cant stress enough |
| 12:39.03 | parabyte | BROKEN! |
| 12:39.04 | parabyte | :) |
| 12:39.08 | xex | kekeke |
| 12:39.12 | xex | alrighty then |
| 12:39.15 | parabyte | okay go eat :) |
| 12:39.16 | seravitae | ok cool, i got screen working nicely. |
| 12:39.18 | parabyte | install software |
| 12:39.18 | seravitae | thanks. |
| 12:39.20 | parabyte | have a good time |
| 12:39.21 | xex | thank you for the advice |
| 12:39.31 | parabyte | seravitae, welcome to the world of screen, take note of the key bindings |
| 12:39.37 | xex | but knowing me, ill be back |
| 12:39.38 | xex | :P |
| 12:39.40 | xex | later |
| 12:39.49 | seravitae | yeah, took a few seconds to get the hang of it |
| 12:39.49 | parabyte | also another pitfull with screen is sometimes keybindings in window manager can be the same! |
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| 12:39.57 | parabyte | so watch out for that if you use it in x |
| 12:39.57 | seravitae | heh |
| 12:40.15 | seravitae | yeah ill watch for that. |
| 12:40.29 | parabyte | im going quiet for abit need to work out why dri fails so bad |
| 12:40.32 | parabyte | have fun |
| 12:40.32 | seravitae | this is mostly a case of me screening, running a process, detatching it so i can not break it accidentally |
| 12:40.34 | jelly | gnumdk: which debian release is this? The only thing I can say is 'su foo -c "/path/to/some/command some arguments"' works for me |
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| 12:40.51 | parabyte | seravitae, everything just keep running aslong as the system stays up |
| 12:41.23 | seravitae | yeah, just figured that out. was wierded out why a fresh term couldnt see the detached process, but remembered i launched the screen from root, a sudo showed and reattached the screen. :) |
| 12:41.28 | parabyte | I got a 486 with screen running samba for last 6 years! prob run it as a daemon but what the hell lol |
| 12:41.32 | parabyte | so screen is viable |
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| 12:42.05 | parabyte | debian 4 install ! |
| 12:42.12 | parabyte | !!! |
| 12:42.12 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 12:56.41 | neutrino | i have Xfce+lxde Squeeze CD ISO on HDD, i am booting the hd-media kernel. i want to install Xfce, does the hd-media kernel accept desktop=xfce parameter? |
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| 13:00.59 | justin | neutrino: the installer should run tasksel and let you chose ... |
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| 13:04.55 | KamZou | hello, i've a problem : i've a postfix mail server (adresses = @domainA ) and a google Pro account with adresses : @domainB. I'd like to redirect from postfix @domainA to @domainB (it's working) and from Google @domainB to @domainA =====> Without sending back a new mail from postfix to google account (LOOP ! ) Is there any way please ? |
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| 13:05.29 | neutrino_ | say again, was disconnected |
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| 13:13.11 | KamZou | anyone ? |
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| 13:14.28 | reavengrey | is reading the debian init scripts and feeling like a unix god |
| 13:14.33 | reavengrey | :| |
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| 13:15.20 | parabyte | hi anyone help me with my DRI issue or take a peek at my xorg.log and just give me a idea why its flaking out |
| 13:15.26 | parabyte | i changed from squeeze to testing and things broke! |
| 13:15.28 | parabyte | :) |
| 13:15.29 | parabyte | http://pastebin.com/peDW7p27 |
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| 13:16.43 | parabyte | all i got is software rendering |
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| 13:17.05 | SupYoshi | Hi |
| 13:17.10 | parabyte | hiya |
| 13:17.13 | SupYoshi | Can you overclock a computer through linux? |
| 13:17.16 | SupYoshi | So not through the bios? |
| 13:17.21 | SupYoshi | I have no access to the bios :) |
| 13:17.23 | parabyte | SupYoshi, no doubt you can |
| 13:17.27 | neutrino | justin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel See *Notes |
| 13:17.31 | SupYoshi | Nice! |
| 13:17.34 | parabyte | SupYoshi, is it your machine!? |
| 13:17.39 | SupYoshi | Yes :) |
| 13:17.46 | parabyte | lol ok |
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| 13:17.53 | SupYoshi | I want to overcloc kmy Intel Core i7-3930K @ 3.20GHz |
| 13:17.56 | parabyte | anyone have any idea's about my dri rendering |
| 13:17.56 | parabyte | ? |
| 13:17.58 | SupYoshi | To 3.40 ghz |
| 13:18.02 | parabyte | why |
| 13:18.07 | parabyte | seems abit pointless |
| 13:18.07 | SupYoshi | Since, I run Minecraft server on it |
| 13:18.13 | parabyte | going to get hotter |
| 13:18.17 | SupYoshi | That only uses 1 core... :P |
| 13:18.25 | neutrino | the desktop=xfce is meant for the installer. can the hd-media kernel interpret the parameter?? |
| 13:18.28 | parabyte | then get better software SupYoshi |
| 13:18.29 | SupYoshi | But the rest of the plugins use more then 1 core... |
| 13:18.37 | SupYoshi | Parabyte there is none so far :) |
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| 13:18.40 | SupYoshi | We need to wait on that :) |
| 13:18.41 | parabyte | is it open source |
| 13:19.07 | SupYoshi | Bukkit only supports 1 core really, and I have a i7 2600, But i can upgrade to a new system with the Intel Core i7-3930K, but since that clockspeed is slower |
| 13:19.23 | SupYoshi | it should be a downgrade, but in benchmarks the i7-3930K outperforms it. :) |
| 13:19.37 | parabyte | do you really need all that cpu to run that |
| 13:19.42 | SupYoshi | And how much warmer would it get for the .20 ghz |
| 13:19.46 | SupYoshi | yes :) |
| 13:19.49 | gnumdk | jelly: it's runned by cups so no tty |
| 13:19.51 | SupYoshi | CUs i run 200+ player servers |
| 13:19.57 | SupYoshi | On it :) |
| 13:20.10 | parabyte | maybe you need to think about getting a real server cpu |
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| 13:20.29 | SupYoshi | To expensive atm :) |
| 13:20.46 | parabyte | im sure slightly out of date xenon out perform what you are using |
| 13:20.59 | SupYoshi | I'm http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html |
| 13:21.09 | parabyte | i highly recommend you dont overclock a server cpu |
| 13:21.11 | parabyte | bad idea |
| 13:21.21 | SupYoshi | Yes but its a desktop used as server |
| 13:21.26 | SupYoshi | and only 0.20 ghz |
| 13:21.28 | SupYoshi | would hurt right? |
| 13:21.36 | sxpert1 | sees smoke |
| 13:21.39 | parabyte | me too |
| 13:21.50 | parabyte | its going to get hotter even .2 overclocked |
| 13:21.56 | parabyte | your pushing it harder with more voltage |
| 13:22.01 | parabyte | more amps |
| 13:22.03 | parabyte | more the works |
| 13:22.05 | parabyte | its just bad |
| 13:22.24 | parabyte | I have never been a fan of overclocking seems dumb to me |
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| 13:22.42 | parabyte | some cpu's are exceptions |
| 13:22.44 | neutrino | or should i pass 'tasksel:tasksel/first xfce-desktop' parameter to the hd-media kernel? |
| 13:22.49 | parabyte | but overall i consider it bad |
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| 13:25.47 | parabyte | please can someone help me with my dri problem on my ppc architecture |
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| 13:27.40 | Burns | Hello |
| 13:27.49 | Burns | How to check of UTF8 is working correctly ? |
| 13:27.53 | Burns | if* |
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| 13:28.44 | nevyn | umm |
| 13:28.47 | nevyn | !zh |
| 13:28.48 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 13:29.04 | nevyn | does that show nice glyphs or square blobs? |
| 13:29.31 | nevyn | Burns: ? |
| 13:29.55 | Burns | square |
| 13:29.59 | Burns | I'm not on the server |
| 13:30.17 | Burns | I mean, im on IRC using a windows computer |
| 13:30.59 | Burns | root@ks393878:/home/xjapan# locale -a |
| 13:30.59 | Burns | C |
| 13:30.59 | Burns | français |
| 13:31.07 | Burns | It's messed up as you see |
| 13:31.10 | Burns | français should be français |
| 13:31.22 | abrotman | on windows ? |
| 13:31.43 | Burns | Putty |
| 13:32.02 | nevyn | putty defaults to a wierd encoding fix it in putty |
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| 13:32.32 | Burns | I have issues only with this server |
| 13:32.47 | Burns | I use putty with another serv, and there is no issues |
| 13:32.55 | Burns | so how to get sure that the utf8 configurations are okay |
| 13:32.59 | nevyn | do you have a saved session? |
| 13:33.04 | Burns | nope |
| 13:33.26 | nevyn | just verify putty is configured for utf8 amuse me. |
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| 13:38.52 | Burns | yes you're right |
| 13:39.11 | nevyn | ? |
| 13:39.23 | nevyn | so it's fixed or it is utf8 and something else is wierd? |
| 13:39.35 | Burns | fixed |
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| 13:39.47 | nevyn | :) |
| 13:39.59 | Burns | ty |
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| 13:44.47 | Bogdar | Hello! |
| 13:45.10 | nevyn | HELLO! |
| 13:45.15 | nevyn | my name is nevyn! |
| 13:45.30 | nevyn | and I would like to share with you the most amazing distribution! |
| 13:45.36 | Bogdar | Does Debian (2.6.32, stable) support NAPI on Intel 82576 Gigabit Network ? |
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| 13:46.58 | Bogdar | I see no 'NAPI' string in kern.log or dmesg |
| 13:47.12 | piezo | nevyn: dont see any?.. http://au.linkedin.com/pub/grant-diffey/2/915/aa8 |
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| 13:48.20 | nevyn | :) |
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| 13:49.22 | piezo | and where is it now? |
| 13:49.36 | piezo | i think we are already here and using it =) |
| 13:49.45 | nevyn | piezo: yes... |
| 13:50.02 | nevyn | Bogdar: definitly maybe yes. ;) |
| 13:50.41 | nevyn | piezo: it was a reference to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmp-xmguqh4 |
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| 13:51.40 | piezo | sry... |
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| 13:59.43 | dokma | this sleeping every day thing is really getting in my way.... |
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| 14:00.07 | jackweb | Hello! How to get driver which is being used by wpa_supplicant? (wext or ... or ..?) |
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| 14:00.41 | tix | any idea why debian is giving errors like this? it's a fresh install. http://107.20.237.221/ |
| 14:01.23 | dokma | tix: you just gave a domain... |
| 14:01.28 | dokma | ip that is |
| 14:01.31 | dokma | no errors there |
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| 14:02.44 | tix | dokma: http://107.20.237.221/debian |
| 14:02.45 | tix | sorry |
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| 14:03.11 | abrotman | tix: 404 |
| 14:03.44 | dokma | tix: it's not debian that gives those, it's wordpress |
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| 14:29.58 | sweb | is any management way for domain and subdomains using bind and any database systems.. for beginners in bind |
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| 14:34.23 | Myke974 | hey there ! |
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| 14:37.46 | sweb | Myke974: i think no body here |
| 14:37.57 | sweb | did you ever setup debian server ? |
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| 14:38.35 | sweb | i need to change my network interface to static ... this is my DHCP config ... http://pastie.org/private/4re903hsjyzunkr77kiosq |
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| 14:39.43 | sh00p | sweb: man interfaces |
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| 14:40.19 | sh00p | auto ethX |
| 14:40.30 | sh00p | iface ethX inet static |
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| 14:41.02 | sh00p | can't remember but its like: network xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx; netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx; gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 14:41.10 | sh00p | its very simple |
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| 14:43.04 | sweb | sh00p: i will try ... i'm newbie |
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| 14:43.25 | sh00p | since i'm such a nice guy i'm gonna give you a pastebin |
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| 14:44.11 | sh00p | http://pastebin.com/em7g2Dmu |
| 14:44.13 | sh00p | something like that |
| 14:44.22 | sh00p | you gotta change the addresses and netmask to whatever is suitable for you |
| 14:44.46 | sh00p | put that instead of whatever entry you have for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:45.08 | sh00p | and then you can do '/etc/init.d/networking restart', or ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
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| 14:45.33 | sweb | sh00p: how can i get my gateway ? |
| 14:45.49 | sh00p | sometimes you don't need it |
| 14:45.59 | sh00p | i'm not sure about the gateway but it should be the ip of your router |
| 14:46.02 | sweb | sh00p: it's for lookup |
| 14:46.20 | sh00p | put your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:46.31 | sweb | sh00p: in this example put the gatway http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-debian-6.0-with-bind-dovecot-and-nginx-ispconfig-3-p3 |
| 14:48.11 | sh00p | you've got a great howto there... follow it. I usually don't put the network entry or the broadcast entry |
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| 14:48.25 | sh00p | and then you put nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and that should do the trick |
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| 14:49.38 | sweb | sh00p: ty |
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| 14:50.33 | superstraw | ls |
| 14:50.37 | superstraw | oops heh |
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| 15:00.59 | sweb | sh00p: is it wrong ? |
| 15:00.59 | sweb | http://bct.site50.net/photos/c49306d97602.png |
| 15:01.29 | sweb | sh00p: ip is 5.9.252.208 |
| 15:01.51 | ompaul | what is the broadcast ip |
| 15:02.01 | ompaul | sorry gateway |
| 15:02.23 | sweb | ompaul: i get i from dhcp config 5.9.252.208 |
| 15:02.31 | sweb | sorry : http://pastie.org/private/4re903hsjyzunkr77kiosq |
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| 15:04.14 | ompaul | sweb: while you are connected to the dhcp what stops anyone else from grabbing that address if your machine is off for a day, also what is your gateway, perhaps a "route" command will help |
| 15:04.44 | ompaul | sweb: /sbin/route in case you didn't know |
| 15:04.46 | sweb | i has dhcp config change to static ... server cant access via network |
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| 15:05.44 | ompaul | sweb: that sounds like putting the cart before the horse, if the machine can't be accessed via some network then the same problem will occur static or not |
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| 15:07.57 | sweb | ompaul: how can i get valid data from DHCP data to change using static |
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| 15:09.21 | ompaul | sweb: firstly can your machine be attached to via dhcp don't be worried about static just yet |
| 15:09.43 | sweb | ompaul: i have server network via dhcp |
| 15:10.01 | sweb | i change to dhcp now ... server is accessible |
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| 15:10.48 | aber | hey, I would like to change the tmpfs size for /tmp, where can I find the config? |
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| 15:11.14 | ompaul | sweb: while it is accessible do the following pastebin all of this information, /sbin/route /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:11.56 | sweb | ompaul: i send that to you ... via DHCP ... ifconfig data ... http://pastie.org/private/4re903hsjyzunkr77kiosq |
| 15:12.14 | ompaul | sweb: and we need /sbin/route |
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| 15:16.31 | ompaul | sweb: if you can't provide that /sbin/route command output you can't really ask for more help tbh |
| 15:17.42 | sweb | ompaul: http://bct.site50.net/photos/9d0a8908fbe6.png |
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| 15:19.09 | ompaul | sweb: ok that last one again we need you to change the command slightly, /sbin/route -n |
| 15:19.29 | ompaul | sweb: in the middle of the bottom row that will give you your gateway |
| 15:20.31 | xex | is it normal for a mass produced, availible damn near everywhere, hard drive to need a driver? |
| 15:20.51 | xex | this might seem like a stupid question but im serious |
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| 15:22.51 | sweb | ompaul: |
| 15:22.52 | sweb | http://pastie.org/private/mgvvbju3na0idkwm94vrfa |
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| 15:23.16 | ompaul | sweb: put this in as your gateway 5.9.252.193 |
| 15:23.26 | sweb | ompaul: ty :D |
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| 15:24.10 | beaver_rrr | good evening. I've tried to install aptitude on fresh rootfs on my netbook, but forgot to change testing (old armel) to unstable (fresh armhf) in sources |
| 15:24.47 | beaver_rrr | now i have problem with glibc6 loop and no aptitude to do full-upgrade |
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| 15:28.53 | ompaul | beaver_rrr: don't know arm but do know dpkg -i some-missing-package |
| 15:29.13 | ompaul | beaver_rrr: else your backups to get back to where you were before you started |
| 15:29.19 | beaver_rrr | wont help |
| 15:29.29 | beaver_rrr | ok, then i just unpack rootfs again |
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| 15:31.43 | xex | is it normal for a seagate hard drive to have a driver that needs to be loaded at boot? |
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| 15:32.37 | po_taka | hello, witch package contains xf86_ansic.h ? |
| 15:32.38 | ompaul | xex: usually not - name the specific drive model number for further research etc |
| 15:32.51 | xex | idk that |
| 15:33.17 | xex | i had to put windows back on cuz any distro i tried couldn't find my hdd |
| 15:33.34 | xex | this might take a minute ompaul |
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| 15:33.41 | imdea | Hi i want to mount a specific volume in one of my users home directory, i added a line to the fstab like this: /dev/sdd1 /home/myuser/external_hd ntfs-3g user,uid=10022 0 0 |
| 15:33.48 | imdea | but it tells me "only root can do that" |
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| 15:37.41 | xex | ompaul ST350063 0AS SCSI - so Device Manager says |
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| 15:37.46 | sweb | is any method to generate zone and reverse zone files for debian ? |
| 15:37.58 | SpComb | vim |
| 15:39.07 | peterrooney | imdea: you have to mention that the mount is user-controllabe, with the 'user' option. |
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| 15:39.39 | imdea | peterrooney, er.. i already did that, it's next to "ntfs-3g" |
| 15:39.50 | ompaul | xex: is it in a raid array? |
| 15:39.57 | xex | no |
| 15:39.59 | xex | only one |
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| 15:40.12 | ompaul | xex: it could be the raid card - what type is that |
| 15:40.19 | xex | i dont have one |
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| 15:40.34 | Advertising | omg, is this true about debian ? VIRUS FREE or NOT !? look here this news http://www.kidsmag.ro |
| 15:40.38 | xex | i get the SRST failed to find root device error |
| 15:40.39 | Advertising | omg, is this true about debian ? VIRUS FREE or NOT !? look here this news http://www.kidsmag.ro\\ |
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| 15:40.42 | Advertising | omg, is this true about debian ? VIRUS FREE or NOT !? look here this news http://www.kidsmag.ro\\ |
| 15:40.45 | Advertising | omg, is this true about debian ? VIRUS FREE or NOT !? look here this news http://www.kidsmag.ro |
| 15:40.48 | jelly | !ops Advertising |
| 15:40.49 | xex | SHOUT UP |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: Advertising |
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| 15:40.51 | Advertising | sorry for repet |
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| 15:41.14 | ompaul | xex: it appears to be ggood |
| 15:41.48 | xex | the thing is, when i tried to install Arch it said the same thing, only distro it works flawlessly under is Ubuntu, but i refuse to run it |
| 15:42.09 | ompaul | xex: you might want to have firmware to hand at the time |
| 15:42.23 | ompaul | but it's a 4 year old disk - a bit long in the tooth methinks |
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| 15:42.53 | xex | im suprised its still kicking myself |
| 15:42.57 | xex | but it may be dying |
| 15:43.02 | ompaul | so why bother with it |
| 15:43.14 | xex | it still works, and its the only one i have |
| 15:43.29 | xex | but i wouldn't think it'd complicate the install |
| 15:43.36 | ompaul | it shouldn't |
| 15:43.57 | xex | when i go to reboot after installing a new kernel or something, it throws that error |
| 15:44.00 | ompaul | get a live cd for debian boot fdisk -l have a look at it |
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| 15:44.07 | xex | ata4: SRST error-=16 |
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| 15:45.25 | Myke974 | Hey ther ! I need some help with motd: MOTD loading: Unable to open /etc/adchpp/motd.txt for reading plz ! I tryed to give all permitions to the user without success |
| 15:45.38 | ompaul | xex: you are trying squeeze? |
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| 15:45.49 | xex | yes |
| 15:45.54 | xex | 6.0.5 |
| 15:46.02 | xex | just burnt it at 5am this morning |
| 15:46.11 | ompaul | xex: get the disk to self test |
| 15:46.23 | xex | ok |
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| 15:51.43 | reavengrey | I'm a little teapot |
| 15:51.46 | reavengrey | short and stour |
| 15:51.49 | reavengrey | *stout |
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| 15:52.16 | ompaul | reavengrey: hardly a debian question |
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| 15:52.34 | reavengrey | My bad, my bad >.< |
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| 15:54.12 | ski | hm, `/dev/dsp' doesn't seem to exist anymore -- not sure how to configure `mikmod' to use anything else |
| 15:54.23 | jelly | reavengrey: get a handle on yourself man |
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| 15:55.07 | ski | . o O ( s/handle/spout/ ) |
| 15:55.13 | jelly | ski: try a modplug-based player instead |
| 15:55.52 | jelly | ski: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:56.04 | ski | (hm, `mikmod' lists ESD and OSS ..) |
| 15:56.08 | ski | i'm on squeeze |
| 15:56.20 | jelly | ,info modplug-tools |
| 15:56.21 | judd | No package named 'modplug-tools' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 15:56.24 | jelly | hmph |
| 15:56.46 | jelly | ,versions xmms2-plugin-modplug |
| 15:56.47 | judd | Package: xmms2-plugin-modplug on i386 -- lenny: 0.5DrLecter-2; squeeze: 0.7DrNo+dfsg-2; sid: 0.8+dfsg-2+b1; wheezy: 0.8+dfsg-2+b1 |
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| 15:57.03 | jelly | ski: so xmms2 with that plugin, for example. |
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| 15:59.13 | jelly | ski: there's the aoss wrapper, but mikmod does not work too well under it, and there's the kernel compatibility snd-pcm-oss module, but that often makes a program hog the whole device for itself |
| 15:59.51 | ski | is `/dev/dsp' considered deprecated ? |
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| 16:00.01 | ski | has no idea about these things |
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| 16:01.50 | ski | tries to figure out which package to install to get `snd-pcm-oss' |
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| 16:03.51 | jelly | yes, it's deprecated; snd-pcm-oss is a kernel module, and you already have it. |
| 16:04.05 | jelly | just modprobe it |
| 16:04.31 | jelly | !devdsp |
| 16:04.32 | dpkg | If you are using <ALSA> and an application complains about /dev/dsp missing, you need to provide the Open Sound System (OSS) compatibility layer. Run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules; the oss-compat package provides a <modprobe> configuration file which loads this module. A proposed Debian release goal is for packaged applications to stop using /dev/dsp: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/NoLinuxDevDsp |
| 16:04.54 | sharp15 | is there a way to create a custom cd with something like jigdo? i.e. debian stable with lxde instead of gnome. |
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| 16:12.31 | ski | (hm, i get "MikMod reset error : Sound device not detected" (after selecting "Open Sound System driver" in `mikmod') -- sorry, i know this isn't much to follow-up on) |
| 16:13.20 | klys | ski: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss |
| 16:14.38 | ski | four lines, see #flood |
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| 16:14.45 | aarkerio | wh |
| 16:15.50 | aarkerio | hi guys!! I am on Debian Testing and after an upgrade apt-get install a new kernel but there is no fglrx-driver (AMD catalyst) package |
| 16:16.11 | aarkerio | so I don't have acceleration |
| 16:16.18 | aarkerio | what can I do? |
| 16:16.21 | bps | check your sources |
| 16:16.22 | sharp15 | aarkerio: try radeon? |
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| 16:17.01 | bps | oh |
| 16:17.02 | klys | ski: does snd_intel8x0 work with your card? |
| 16:17.03 | aarkerio | I checked, and the fglrx-driver package was in unstable but not in wheezy |
| 16:17.05 | bps | its not in wheezy |
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| 16:18.15 | ski | klys : i'm not sure, how would i check ? |
| 16:18.16 | aarkerio | the problem is when I use the open Radeon driver my laptop quickly gets really hot and the fan works all the time |
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| 16:18.35 | klys | ski: mpg321 -o alsa file.mp3 |
| 16:19.14 | aarkerio | what people do when this happened? I read the page: |
| 16:19.15 | aarkerio | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 16:19.20 | bps | aarkerio https://systemsaviour.com/2011/10/23/fglrx-on-debian-wheezy-testing/ |
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| 16:20.03 | ski | . o O ( `apt-get install mpg321' ) |
| 16:20.05 | klys | jelly: to meet that goal you'll need major updates in the splay package |
| 16:21.00 | aarkerio | bps: thanks!! |
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| 16:23.21 | jelly | ski: or mpg123, or mplayer -ao alsa, or almost any media player now does alsa |
| 16:23.59 | jelly | ski: if you have sound in your apps but no /dev/dsp* device, it's alsa. |
| 16:24.32 | ski | jelly : ok, the `mpg321 -o alsa ...' worked |
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| 16:24.48 | klys | snd_synth_oss ? |
| 16:25.14 | ski | `mpg321 -o snd_synth_oss file.mp3' ? |
| 16:25.25 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.45 | klys | lsmod | grep synth (see the line that begins with snd_synth_oss) |
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| 16:26.20 | ski | no such line |
| 16:27.10 | jelly | klys: he doesn't need any synth to get mikmod running, just a simple pcm device |
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| 16:27.56 | jelly | hell, even vlc ought to open mods these days |
| 16:28.01 | jelly | ,file usr/lib/vlc/plugins/demux/libmod_plugin.so |
| 16:28.02 | Lartza | I should be fine to safely delete everything mail related but bsd-mailx? |
| 16:28.07 | judd | Search for usr/lib/vlc/plugins/demux/libmod_plugin.so in squeeze/i386: vlc-nox: usr/lib/vlc/plugins/demux/libmod_plugin.so; vlc-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/vlc/plugins/demux/libmod_plugin.so |
| 16:28.28 | nvz | ski: lsmod | egrep "^snd " |
| 16:28.35 | Lartza | oh no |
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| 16:28.38 | nvz | would show you what alsa modules are loaded |
| 16:28.44 | Lartza | How do I undo in aptitude? :) |
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| 16:29.00 | me-1 | hi...how good is software center of Debian squeeze..? |
| 16:29.05 | jelly | Lartza: there is no undo. Read the output and reinstall stuff. |
| 16:29.09 | ski | snd 34415 18 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device |
| 16:29.20 | Lartza | jelly, Interactive aptitude, I selected for purge |
| 16:29.22 | jelly | me-1: software-center is rather buggy in debian |
| 16:29.27 | nvz | ski: then yes you have alsa and oss emulation |
| 16:29.36 | jelly | Lartza: just + the package, then |
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| 16:29.54 | me-1 | jelly, what should i use |
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| 16:30.29 | Lartza | jelly, That does not work |
| 16:30.29 | jelly | me-1: if you need a GUI, probably synaptic. If you can live with a CLI or an awkward curses-based terminal UI, aptitude |
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| 16:31.07 | jelly | Lartza: dunno, then |
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| 16:31.15 | arisve | is away.. |
| 16:31.16 | me-1 | jelly, what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude..? |
| 16:31.30 | jelly | me-1: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 16:31.35 | Lartza | jelly, Asks for a package tree limit |
| 16:31.37 | jelly | me-1: also: /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 16:31.53 | jelly | Lartza: I have no idea what a package tree limit is |
| 16:32.24 | Lartza | jelly, You and me both :) |
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| 16:32.51 | samuel | Hey all, I'm trying to use a D-Link DWA-160 usb adapter with my debian system. I installed firmware-atheros but when I plug in the usb adapter nothing happens. dmesg shows it's not trying to load any firmware. |
| 16:33.18 | samuel | http://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb says I can do modprobe ar9170usb but that cannot find any module with that name |
| 16:33.24 | justin | samuel: what DOES dmesg show |
| 16:33.31 | ski | (nvz : strange that `mikmod' doesn't seem to recognize it, then ..) |
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| 16:33.55 | samuel | justin: http://pastebin.com/wzhKxC95 |
| 16:33.59 | nvz | ski: what does mikmod have to do with anything? |
| 16:34.02 | me-1 | jelly, thank you for the info |
| 16:34.24 | jelly | nvz: running mikmod is his initial question |
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| 16:38.43 | Myke974 | Hey there ! anybdy could help a noob? =>> motd: MOTD loading: Unable to open /etc/adchpp/motd.txt for reading plz ! I tryed to give all permitions to the user without success |
| 16:38.44 | GapSpark | Shalom chatroom |
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| 16:38.58 | GapSpark | does anyone know a good debian chatroom for Jews? |
| 16:39.11 | ski | you asked this yesterday |
| 16:39.21 | GapSpark | ski and i ask again today |
| 16:39.27 | nkuttler | GapSpark: why would religion be relevant? |
| 16:39.30 | GapSpark | no answer yesterday |
| 16:39.38 | ski | GapSpark : then maybe try #debian.jews again ? |
| 16:39.41 | GapSpark | nkuttler well jews tend to be smarter people |
| 16:39.45 | wave | hi, I'm having problem installing GRUB on debian |
| 16:39.47 | jelly | !ops GapSpark trolling |
| 16:39.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: GapSpark trolling |
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| 16:40.04 | marienz | GapSpark: don't. |
| 16:40.34 | wave | I was following this: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/17/how-to-dual-boot-debian-6-and-windows-7/4/ guide but when I got to part installing GRUB I got fatal error when trying to install grub on dev/sda5 |
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| 16:41.14 | jelly | ski: fwiw, .mod playing works in cvlc for me on testing |
| 16:41.21 | GapSpark | !ops jelly anti semite |
| 16:41.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gapspark complains about: jelly anti semite |
| 16:41.30 | marienz | GapSpark: seriously, cut that out. |
| 16:41.38 | nkuttler | enough warnings already |
| 16:41.49 | GapSpark | !ops marinez anti semite |
| 16:41.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gapspark complains about: marinez anti semite |
| 16:41.50 | wave | can I run out of space? I allocated 250mb for grub and file system type was ext3. Should I use ext2 instead? |
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| 16:42.12 | ski | (ty) |
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| 16:42.14 | nkuttler | wave: 250 for a whole debian install? |
| 16:42.18 | jelly | marienz: you might have klined his ass as well |
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| 16:42.28 | wave | for GRUB |
| 16:42.35 | marienz | jelly: I'm keeping an eye out to see if he's following up elsewhere, don't worry |
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| 16:42.42 | nkuttler | wave: can you be more specific? |
| 16:42.43 | wave | I mean for /boot sector |
| 16:42.55 | ViveElNorte | who is debian? |
| 16:42.57 | nkuttler | wave: well uninstall some kernel |
| 16:43.01 | nkuttler | !tell ViveElNorte about debian |
| 16:43.04 | ViveElNorte | sounds like a gay guy's name |
| 16:43.10 | wave | I allocated 250MB with ext3 for /boot driver |
| 16:43.11 | nkuttler | marienz: ^^ |
| 16:43.16 | ViveElNorte | just kidding |
| 16:43.17 | ViveElNorte | lol |
| 16:43.28 | ViveElNorte | but seriously what is debian? |
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| 16:43.41 | marienz | ViveElNorte: see http://debian.org/ |
| 16:43.41 | jelly | ViveElNorte: google it. |
| 16:43.42 | ViveElNorte | thank you dpkg |
| 16:43.51 | wave | nkuttler: I was following this http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/02/17/how-to-dual-boot-debian-6-and-windows-7/4/ guide |
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| 16:44.03 | ski | jelly : VLC plays modules now ? |
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| 16:44.21 | nkuttler | wave: not sure why other OSes would be relevant to your /boot partition? |
| 16:44.32 | nkuttler | wave: run du -hs /boot/* as root and pastebin the output |
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| 16:44.45 | jelly | ski: modplug library ftw |
| 16:45.03 | wave | nkuttler: can I get to terminal while installing? |
| 16:45.18 | nkuttler | wave: alt-right |
| 16:45.27 | wave | okey, I start again |
| 16:45.37 | nkuttler | 250M isn't enough for /boot during install? that's odd.. |
| 16:45.44 | nkuttler | wave: nobody told you to start again.. |
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| 16:45.57 | Myke974 | Hello ! need some help with adch++ please |
| 16:46.10 | wave | nkuttler: how much space I should allocate then for boot? |
| 16:46.13 | nkuttler | wave: though you might just want use one big / partition instead of messing with paritions |
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| 16:47.10 | wave | nkuttler: should I make boot then part of the LVM partition? |
| 16:47.32 | nkuttler | wave: i don't use LVM |
| 16:47.38 | wave | nkuttler: okey |
| 16:47.54 | nkuttler | 250M should really be enough. check what's in there... |
| 16:48.04 | wave | nkuttler: that should be empty |
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| 16:48.32 | wave | nkuttler: how about file system? I read somewhere that ext2 is more recommend for boot than ext3 |
| 16:48.43 | Dulak | I have 150M /boot and don't remember any issues at install about that being too small |
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| 16:49.20 | wave | I don't know is the size issue, I just got fatal error while I was trying to instal GRUB to /boot |
| 16:49.28 | nkuttler | wave: you should go with the default unless you have a good reason not to |
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| 16:49.43 | nkuttler | wave: and for the third time... du |
| 16:49.54 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 16:49.55 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 16:50.07 | wave | well, I would like to keep windows 7 on another driver, that's why I'm trying to do it |
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| 16:50.36 | Burns | Hey |
| 16:50.43 | Burns | how to run a .pl script in the background ? |
| 16:51.13 | nkuttler | Burns: ./foo.pl & |
| 16:51.15 | Dulak | Burns: put & at the end of the line |
| 16:51.27 | Burns | ah |
| 16:51.32 | Burns | very easy |
| 16:51.33 | Burns | Thanks |
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| 16:59.11 | me-1 | hi...how to install flash player or i should install chromium which has built in flash |
| 16:59.12 | Strogg | Hrmm.. can anyone tell me if there's a source package for msntp? I tried doing apt-get source, and it doesn't turn up, so I looked on the debian.org site under Packages, and it says it doesn't have a source package for it. |
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| 16:59.27 | Strogg | I must be wrong, because not having a source package would be Bad(tm), no ? |
| 16:59.50 | nkuttler | !tell me-1 about flash |
| 16:59.53 | Strogg | Here's where I am. http://packages.debian.org/sid/msntp |
| 17:00.49 | me-1 | nkuttler, I am asking about adobe flash . how toinstall it |
| 17:00.49 | nkuttler | Strogg: are you on sid? |
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| 17:01.06 | nkuttler | me-1: so ask the bot about adobe flash |
| 17:01.38 | Strogg | nkuttler: no. but I don't plan to build it on my system. I just want to use the source in another project |
| 17:02.24 | nkuttler | Strogg: yeah, odd.. |
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| 17:02.36 | Lejda | hey guys. |
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| 17:02.49 | bla | Hello. |
| 17:02.52 | Lejda | i'm trying to start apache2 by another user. |
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| 17:03.07 | bla | I've noticed lack of cdrecord on Debian testing; what substitutes it? |
| 17:03.12 | valdyn | Lejda: to what end? |
| 17:03.13 | Lejda | i change user&group information from /etc/apache2/envars |
| 17:03.27 | bps | Strogg http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/hardy/msntp has a source package |
| 17:03.35 | Lejda | but when i start apache ( or restart ) apache running as root |
| 17:03.47 | valdyn | Lejda: it can only run as root |
| 17:03.55 | nkuttler | Strogg: the package doesn't seem to exist though http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=msntp;dist=unstable |
| 17:04.02 | valdyn | Lejda: only the workers are run as www-data / whatever user you specify |
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| 17:04.07 | nkuttler | Strogg: it will probably be gone soon from sid/your mirror |
| 17:04.22 | Strogg | bummer. ok.. I'll find another source of it. Thanks |
| 17:04.30 | Lejda | i change worker user:group to zimbra |
| 17:04.33 | nkuttler | Strogg: or it's really new and hasn't propated to source repo/bugtracker yet, not sure how that works |
| 17:04.38 | Strogg | I just found it really strange, considering debian's source requirements. hehe |
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| 17:04.48 | Lejda | and zimbra is valid username & zimbra is valid group name |
| 17:05.33 | nkuttler | Strogg: well the source should be listed in the binary package if you have trouble finding it |
| 17:05.50 | nkuttler | Strogg: /usr/share/doc/package/* |
| 17:05.54 | Strogg | Aha. I found my mistake. :) |
| 17:06.05 | me-1 | nkuttler, flashplugin-nonfree is installed but still no youtube videos running |
| 17:06.07 | Strogg | nkuttler: I have a sources line for debian archive in my sources.list. it got the package from there. |
| 17:06.20 | nkuttler | me-1: did you restart your browser? |
| 17:06.28 | nkuttler | Strogg: i see |
| 17:06.34 | Strogg | guesses that packages.debian.org doesn't search archive |
| 17:06.53 | me-1 | nkuttler, yes both browser and computer |
| 17:07.00 | nkuttler | me-1: which browser? |
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| 17:07.13 | me-1 | nkuttler, iceweasal |
| 17:07.25 | nkuttler | me-1: is it listed under about:plugins ? |
| 17:07.43 | me-1 | nkuttler, let me check |
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| 17:08.20 | me-1 | nkuttler, it is not there |
| 17:08.23 | nkuttler | me-1: btw.. when you installed flashplugin-nonfree flash was downloaded from adobe, you confirmed the license etc? |
| 17:08.57 | me-1 | nkuttler, i think it didnt ask me to confirm any license |
| 17:08.59 | nkuttler | me-1: see man update-flashplugin-nonfree and install it again if necessary |
| 17:09.02 | Lejda | any idea ? |
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| 17:11.08 | Lejda | here is my /etc/apache2/envars file content : http://pastebin.com/YJYkLPq3 |
| 17:11.37 | me-1 | nkuttler, still not working. http://paste.debian.net/171161/ |
| 17:12.11 | nkuttler | me-1: yeah. check the Usage section |
| 17:12.17 | nkuttler | or the man page like i suggested earlier |
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| 17:16.32 | Lartza | I don't know how to change my kayboard layout, VPS which I ssh into |
| 17:16.51 | Lartza | I tried dpkb-reconfigure console-data but it didn't work |
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| 17:28.34 | me-1 | how to install chromium browser |
| 17:28.48 | nkuttler | me-1: apt-cache search chromium |
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| 17:29.01 | Lartza | This is weird |
| 17:29.05 | nkuttler | Lartza: the target machine shouldn't really matter |
| 17:29.07 | Lartza | /etc/default/keyboard has the right layout |
| 17:29.34 | Lartza | nkuttler, Yeah well that clears the thing that it's not for X11 maybe :) |
| 17:29.48 | Lartza | And no matter what it won't change :S |
| 17:29.51 | nkuttler | Lartza: hm? |
| 17:29.57 | Lartza | nkuttler, Yes? |
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| 17:30.50 | me-1 | nkuttler, and how to uninstall epiphany |
| 17:31.17 | nkuttler | !tell me-1 about grounding |
| 17:31.25 | nkuttler | me-1: see also man aptitude |
| 17:31.28 | MO_Handes | me-1, apt-get remove epiphany-browser |
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| 17:32.12 | Lartza | I seriously have no idea what else to do to get the kay layout to work... |
| 17:32.18 | me-1 | nkuttler, I am reading alot about debian and Linux in general |
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| 17:33.22 | nkuttler | Lartza: does your keymap work as expected locally? with and without x? |
| 17:33.29 | Mento | ahoy - installing debian with vmbox :) |
| 17:33.33 | Lartza | nkuttler, Windows currently :) |
| 17:33.36 | me-1 | apt-get install chromium install the game so I asked here |
| 17:33.37 | nkuttler | ugh... |
| 17:33.41 | Lartza | nkuttler, With kitty |
| 17:33.59 | Lartza | nkuttler, I'll try ssh from linux |
| 17:34.00 | nkuttler | me-1: i told you how to search for the right package |
| 17:34.12 | me-1 | nkuttler, got it |
| 17:34.16 | Mento | is a long install - just hope it works! |
| 17:34.19 | Lartza | nkuttler, Kitty is using UTF-8 and.. yeah |
| 17:34.35 | Lartza | nkuttler, Oh, how do I see if terminal is using what coding? |
| 17:34.39 | nkuttler | Lartza: well it sounds like you have a kitty support question |
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| 17:34.45 | nkuttler | Lartza: locale |
| 17:35.04 | Lartza | nkuttler, LANG and LANGUAGE empty everything else "POSIX"? |
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| 17:35.28 | nkuttler | Lartza: that doesn't seem right |
| 17:35.33 | Lartza | Yeah :D |
| 17:35.40 | nkuttler | Lartza: you're running that command on the remote (debian) box, right? |
| 17:35.45 | Lartza | Yes |
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| 17:35.58 | Mento | im the post-installation trigger man! |
| 17:35.59 | nkuttler | Lartza: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:36.06 | nkuttler | !tell Lartza about keymap |
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| 17:37.39 | Mento | hope i dont forget my username and pass by the time installation finishes. think i already did |
| 17:39.00 | Lartza | nkuttler, Okay now it works after setting the locale right :) |
| 17:39.08 | Mento | holla' |
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| 17:41.52 | Lartza | are daemons automatically added to boot after installing a package? |
| 17:42.21 | themill | Lartza: usually, unless there's no default configuration that makes sense |
| 17:42.34 | Lartza | Good :) |
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| 17:44.10 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:44.44 | JordiGH | GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA |
| 17:44.51 | JordiGH | Should I worry about that? |
| 17:44.57 | JordiGH | zomg r00ted? |
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| 17:52.07 | azertyuio | hi |
| 17:52.34 | azertyuio | where i can download debian ? |
| 17:53.20 | p3rror | debian.org |
| 17:53.35 | azertyuio | well i m here : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | azertyuio: do you have broadband? use the netinst |
| 17:54.18 | azertyuio | but i can't understand i have to download 55 cd ? |
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| 17:54.30 | azertyuio | why i have to download 55cd"'s ? |
| 17:54.38 | rozie | azertyuio: no. first is enough |
| 17:54.49 | MO_Handes | azertyuio, you are not supposed to download all the packages and repositories |
| 17:55.08 | MO_Handes | azertyuio, downloading CD1 is ok |
| 17:55.12 | rozie | all packages use 55 CDs, but you don't want install all of them |
| 17:55.29 | rozie | if fact, you cannot install all at the same time |
| 17:55.37 | dvs | azertyuio: If you have a wired internet connection, you only need the first CD |
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| 17:56.01 | azertyuio | ok good what is netinst ? |
| 17:56.13 | tensorpudding | it's been a while since i used gnome 2.x |
| 17:56.19 | azertyuio | i would like to install debian on my mac os x lion |
| 17:56.21 | dvs | azertyuio: it's a base system with no extra packages |
| 17:56.22 | tensorpudding | how do i change language settings? |
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| 17:56.34 | MO_Handes | azertyuio, that's a very small file which downloads the needed files in setup |
| 17:56.55 | MO_Handes | azertyuio, I think it was less than 100mb |
| 17:57.36 | tensorpudding | i want to install additional language packs and get all the fonts and junk |
| 17:57.38 | resixian | ffs it takes forever to format LUKS or what? mkfs -t ext4 is like 40+ minutes, that sound right? |
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| 17:57.44 | azertyuio | good but how to install with virtualbox ? |
| 17:57.53 | resixian | and only 1/2 done |
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| 17:59.16 | tensorpudding | anyone? |
| 18:00.15 | tensorpudding | azertyuio, it's not hard |
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| 18:00.47 | azertyuio | ok let me check |
| 18:00.49 | tensorpudding | install virtualbox, then create a new machine, and boot from a debian install cd iso |
| 18:00.49 | resixian | azertyuio: you download the netinst image |
| 18:01.30 | MO_Handes | azertyuio, never been on Mac but there must be some help: https://www.google.com/search?q=installing+debian+with+virual+box+on+mac |
| 18:01.33 | tensorpudding | err, boot the virtual machine with the debian install cd iso in the cdrom |
| 18:01.45 | resixian | azertyuio: make a new vm, add a hd to it, mount the debian iso as removable media and start the vm |
| 18:02.02 | azertyuio | perfect |
| 18:02.14 | azertyuio | i get i have to check |
| 18:02.26 | azertyuio | i got a an other question |
| 18:02.30 | resixian | you don't even have to burn the cd. virtualbox will be happy to mount the .iso |
| 18:02.39 | azertyuio | do you support armel based processor ? |
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| 18:03.21 | tensorpudding | debian supports armel |
| 18:03.44 | resixian | azertyuio: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
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| 18:04.50 | tensorpudding | i thought debian had something that would allow you to install language packs, or at least gnome did |
| 18:05.00 | nvz | !i18l |
| 18:05.12 | dvs | !i18n |
| 18:05.14 | dpkg | somebody said i18n was an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ http://wiki.debian.org/I18n http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ #debian-i18n on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:06.05 | tensorpudding | not what i was looking for |
| 18:07.23 | tensorpudding | maybe i should check gnome's documentation |
| 18:07.30 | tensorpudding | or maybe the functionality i think of was only added in 3.x |
| 18:08.54 | tensorpudding | or maybe it's possible that this convenience was something only in ubuntu? |
| 18:09.05 | tensorpudding | i thought it was under administration -> language, but that option is missing here |
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| 18:11.00 | nkuttler | tensorpudding: you're probably looking for l10n packages |
| 18:11.07 | azertyuio | i would like to install squeeze on it http://www.umpcportal.com/products/Archos/7%20Home%20Tablet/ possible ? |
| 18:11.15 | tensorpudding | nkuttler, that sounds about right |
| 18:11.16 | nkuttler | i18n is enabling multilang in the code, l10n is actually translating it |
| 18:11.20 | bla | Gnome packages have locales for all languages in separate packages. |
| 18:11.26 | wave | nkuttler: du - command not found |
| 18:11.41 | nkuttler | wave: um, you were installing, right? |
| 18:11.46 | tensorpudding | meh, i knew i could find them by looking in synaptic but i wanted to do it the right way |
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| 18:12.17 | wave | nkuttler: yupp, I'm installing |
| 18:12.53 | nkuttler | wave: hm, check if /usr/bin/du exists, maybe it's not in your path |
| 18:13.19 | wave | nope, there isn't du |
| 18:13.24 | nkuttler | wave: if not pastebin ls -lh /boot/ |
| 18:13.28 | wave | is it replaced some other package? |
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| 18:13.58 | tensorpudding | do you know what the names of the language pack packages are? |
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| 18:15.22 | nkuttler | tensorpudding: try #debian-gnome @ oftc |
| 18:15.32 | nvz | shrugs |
| 18:15.47 | nvz | as far as I know debian properly supports i18n, and I said this a long time ago |
| 18:16.10 | nvz | which would mean the only thing to do is change the locale, and anything that has been internationalized with then be localized |
| 18:16.27 | tensorpudding | all i want is a metapackage that installs the required japanese fonts and input methods |
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| 18:19.57 | nvz | ,versions ttf-takao-mincho |
| 18:19.59 | judd | Package: ttf-takao-mincho on i386 -- squeeze: 003.02.01-4; wheezy: 003.02.01-5; sid: 003.02.01-6 |
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| 18:20.40 | tensorpudding | i'm disappointed that gnome 2 doesn't have a language thing like gnome 3 has |
| 18:20.50 | tensorpudding | or maybe i'm disappointed that ubuntu has it and debian doesn't, i'm not sure yet |
| 18:20.55 | nvz | sudo aptitude install ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-sazanami-mincho |
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| 18:21.36 | nvz | its just locales in debian |
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| 18:21.41 | wave | nkuttler: got it work |
| 18:21.43 | nvz | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:21.56 | tensorpudding | having to open a terminal = fail |
| 18:22.58 | azertyuio | hi i just install debian6 on my vbox |
| 18:23.05 | azertyuio | why sudo su - not working ? |
| 18:23.22 | nvz | sounds to me like you're an ubuntu user and should be using ubuntu.. cause you're more concerned about a f'n clicky thingy than proper internationalization and stable software |
| 18:23.31 | tensorpudding | well, it's okay, i'm trying to desktop on my "server" box because my main ubuntu laptop's power adapter died |
| 18:23.58 | nvz | azertyuio: because its not ubuntu |
| 18:24.09 | dvs | azertyuio: Using sudo and su together makes no sense |
| 18:24.14 | azertyuio | what is equivalent ? |
| 18:24.33 | azertyuio | if not making sense why ubuntu hell using that ? |
| 18:24.42 | tensorpudding | sudo su - makes no sense anyway |
| 18:24.47 | tensorpudding | use sudo -i |
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| 18:25.08 | axujen | Is it possible to background daemons in debian similiar to arch linux? |
| 18:25.17 | nvz | azertyuio: ubuntu is avoiding having a root password |
| 18:25.17 | tensorpudding | in debian, which has a root account and doesn't have sudo configured, just use su - |
| 18:25.30 | nkuttler | axujen: hm, example? |
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| 18:25.46 | tensorpudding | i only complain because i think it might inspire people to improve, anyway |
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| 18:26.04 | russfrank | xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/magnet returns deluge.desktop but when I xdg-open magnet:anything it opens FIREFOX. why. |
| 18:26.19 | russfrank | why is xdg-open so bad in every way |
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| 18:26.39 | MO_Handes | is there any packaged named *galaxium* in debian repos?! |
| 18:26.43 | axujen | nkuttler: ok you know how daemons are started at system startup? well they are started one after the other, in archlinux you could flag some daemons to be started in the background without delaying other daemons |
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| 18:27.48 | nvz | MO_Handes: nope |
| 18:27.50 | axujen | nkuttler: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Daemons#Starting_Daemons_in_Background |
| 18:28.02 | aaa801 | Ive just installed debian on a inspiron 1100 laptop, i dont seem to have any network interfaces listed apart from loopback, and no network manager that i can see, Ideas? |
| 18:28.10 | nkuttler | axujen: http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
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| 18:28.22 | axujen | nkuttler: thank you |
| 18:28.44 | nevyn | aaa801: do you know what the network cards are? |
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| 18:28.57 | nevyn | aaa801: check lspci |
| 18:28.59 | aaa801 | nevyn lemme look them up |
| 18:29.10 | nevyn | aaa801: see if they need firmware |
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| 18:29.20 | aaa801 | Broadcom corporation bcm4401 100base-T (rev 01) |
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| 18:29.39 | nkuttler | !bcm4401 |
| 18:29.40 | dpkg | b44 is a driver supporting PCI devices based on Broadcom 44xx/47xx Fast Ethernet (100 Mbit/s) controllers. It is part of the Linux kernel and does not require firmware from userspace. |
| 18:29.50 | aaa801 | then why isnt it working :/ |
| 18:29.51 | nkuttler | looks like that should just work |
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| 18:29.59 | nkuttler | aaa801: check your dmesg output for errors |
| 18:30.09 | nevyn | aaa801: how are you checking? |
| 18:30.13 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
| 18:30.44 | nevyn | aaa801: does ifconfig -a show anything other than loopback? |
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| 18:31.11 | aaa801 | hold on. x just froze |
| 18:31.33 | aaa801 | ye -a shows the eth0 |
| 18:31.49 | aaa801 | doesnt seem that its been configured |
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| 18:32.30 | aaa801 | nevyn: what now =/ |
| 18:32.31 | sweb1 | what is pacakge name of sun java in debian ? no openjdk |
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| 18:33.01 | azertyuio | hi i can' t apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 18:33.17 | azertyuio | it's still 0% |
| 18:33.34 | azertyuio | but i got internet connexion |
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| 18:34.00 | MO_Handes | maybe changing mirrors can do that |
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| 18:34.22 | azertyuio | How ? |
| 18:35.01 | nkuttler | azertyuio: man sources list, apt-spy, netselect |
| 18:36.04 | azertyuio | well it is very simple |
| 18:36.19 | azertyuio | we need to change /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 18:36.21 | JoeHazzers | does anyone have ideas as to why function keys aren't working properly? |
| 18:36.26 | JoeHazzers | (this is a tty) |
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| 18:36.56 | aaa801 | ok so it shows with ifconfig -a, but if i do ifup eth0 it says unknown interface |
| 18:37.00 | nvz | JoeHazzers: you'll need to be more specific |
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| 18:38.03 | MO_Handes | I've installed Eclipse, now where can I find /eclipse/dropins foldeR? |
| 18:38.21 | nvz | JoeHazzers: my machine has some keys that communicate directly with hardware soft switches and others that actually pass codes to the OS.. specific hardware and keys are all different |
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| 18:38.33 | JoeHazzers | nvz: oh, never mind |
| 18:38.51 | JoeHazzers | i added TERM=xterm to my bashrc at some point |
| 18:39.10 | nvz | o.O |
| 18:40.43 | xand | JoeHazzers: ! |
| 18:40.48 | JoeHazzers | xand: ! |
| 18:40.59 | nvz | !! |
| 18:40.59 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 18:41.42 | JoeHazzers | another weird issue... vim in screen leaves "residue" (background color, text color) that has to be reset with the reset command, then Ctrl+L |
| 18:41.45 | JoeHazzers | any ideas? |
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| 18:42.33 | nvz | restart screen now that you fixed your bashrc?! |
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| 18:44.15 | engla | JoeHazzers: http://superuser.com/questions/23144 |
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| 18:45.25 | engla | JoeHazzers: the altscreen on solution seems to work fine here |
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| 18:46.32 | azertyuio | i can't install anything from apt |
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| 18:46.47 | azertyuio | it says no installation candidate |
| 18:47.01 | aaa801 | Anyone know why apt is only listing devices from the cd and not the network, apt-get update only lists cd aswell |
| 18:47.07 | aaa801 | packages* |
| 18:47.30 | xand | your sources.list is wrong? |
| 18:47.38 | azertyuio | how possible ? |
| 18:47.44 | aaa801 | I just installed :/, what should be in there? |
| 18:47.48 | azertyuio | i just done a fresh install |
| 18:48.04 | azertyuio | why debian put wrong sources.list |
| 18:48.06 | themill | !make squeeze sources.list |
| 18:48.06 | dpkg | A suitable sources.list for squeeze would have three lines: "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" and "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Duplicate lines with "deb-src" instead of "deb" if you want to be able to retrieve the source packages; add "contrib non-free" if you want <contrib> and <non-free> package to be available too. |
| 18:48.13 | aaa801 | o nvm it commented out everything |
| 18:48.19 | aaa801 | proberly because it couldnt get network on install or something |
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| 18:49.19 | aaa801 | does debian play well with the 3.3 kernel? |
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| 18:49.44 | Lartza | how do I add a pubkey for a repo? :/ |
| 18:50.05 | aaa801 | apt-repository-add something |
| 18:50.07 | nkuttler | Lartza: apt-cache search archive keyring |
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| 18:50.14 | themill | Lartza: which repo? |
| 18:50.19 | Lartza | nginx repo |
| 18:50.32 | streuner | aaa801: play well? |
| 18:50.36 | nkuttler | Lartza: hm, why don't you use a backport? |
| 18:50.53 | themill | Lartza: nginx is already in debian.... you could save yourself the trouble |
| 18:51.04 | aaa801 | streuner: if i compile and use kernel 3.3 im not gona get any mass issues or something am i? |
| 18:51.20 | streuner | aaa801: who the hell should know? |
| 18:51.23 | aaa801 | i already need to supply kernel params to get the dam display to work on this laptop |
| 18:51.47 | nkuttler | aaa801: well good luck. building kernels is fun. always make sure to have one or more backup kernels |
| 18:51.48 | Lartza | themill, Downloads an ancient release for me |
| 18:51.55 | nkuttler | !tell Lartza about backports |
| 18:52.04 | nkuttler | , versions nginx |
| 18:52.04 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.17-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.19-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.19-1; sid: 1.2.0-1 |
| 18:52.08 | streuner | aaa801: what kind of problem do you wanna solveß |
| 18:52.14 | streuner | aaa801: what kind of problem do you wanna solve? |
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| 18:52.36 | aaa801 | streuner: its a laptop for my grandparents, just intrested in the power control stuff in 3.3, so they dont winge about low battery life |
| 18:52.49 | Lartza | still old it seems |
| 18:52.52 | Lartza | only sid has current one |
| 18:53.07 | nkuttler | Lartza: why do you need something newer? |
| 18:53.20 | Lartza | Don't necessarily need, 1.1.19 is fine |
| 18:53.26 | Lartza | well |
| 18:53.30 | karsten | Is there a way to find the debian maintainer history for a package? E.g.: how it's changed over time? |
| 18:53.36 | Lartza | 1.2.0 is stable, 1.1.19 is development version |
| 18:53.42 | streuner | karsten: chanelog? |
| 18:54.01 | Lartza | nkuttler, So it can be assumed 1.1.19 still has some problems |
| 18:54.23 | nkuttler | Lartza: assume whatever you like. works for me |
| 18:54.23 | streuner | aaa801: most kernel updates just fix some security issues and hardware support.... |
| 18:54.28 | Lartza | mhh seems not really, just opened the changelog |
| 18:54.33 | Lartza | nkuttler, Has three bugs :P |
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| 18:54.43 | Lartza | At least |
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| 18:54.55 | themill | Lartza: I suspect you have your "development" and "stable" versions back to front there |
| 18:54.57 | nkuttler | Lartza: what has three bugs? |
| 18:55.05 | Lartza | nkuttler, nginx 1.1.19 |
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| 18:55.09 | nkuttler | Lartza: says who? |
| 18:55.10 | Lartza | themill, ? |
| 18:55.19 | Lartza | nkuttler, nginx changelog |
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| 18:55.23 | karsten | streuner: aptitude changelog $debian_package | grep '^ --' |
| 18:55.30 | nkuttler | Lartza: yeah, and debian's version is 1.1.19-1~bpo60+1 |
| 18:55.44 | Lartza | nkuttler, Which is a development version with few bugs yeah |
| 18:55.45 | nkuttler | Lartza: anyway. good luck |
| 18:55.49 | streuner | karsten, packages.debian.org/<package>/changelog |
| 18:56.02 | themill | Lartza: you say that as if you believe 1.2.0 to be bug free... |
| 18:56.06 | karsten | streuner: Try what I pasted. |
| 18:56.15 | karsten | streuner: aptitude now fetches changelogs. |
| 18:56.20 | karsten | loves aptitude. |
| 18:56.22 | Lartza | themill, I don't but it is still stable while 1.1.19 is development upstream |
| 18:56.22 | streuner | karsten, nah, i dont use aptitude at all |
| 18:56.27 | karsten | proposes marriage to aptitude. |
| 18:56.31 | karsten | is spurned. |
| 18:56.39 | karsten | streuner: You should. |
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| 18:56.54 | streuner | karsten, why, pdo should be enough, IMO |
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| 18:57.56 | karsten | streuner: I suppose you could curl that, but IMO the aptitude method's cleaner. |
| 18:58.18 | Lartza | how do I get apt-get to show package versions it's installing? |
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| 18:58.44 | streuner | Lartza: "policy" its an option... |
| 18:58.50 | themill | Lartza: apt-cache policy, or use aptitude |
| 18:59.02 | engla | Lartza: man page -> -V |
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| 18:59.40 | Lartza | themill, Aptitude doesn't show them by default either |
| 19:00.02 | themill | Lartza: it has a man page and that man page tells you how... |
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| 19:00.19 | Lartza | Yeah but so does apt-get but I didn't find it there :S |
| 19:00.22 | azertyuio | why sudo not working ? |
| 19:00.23 | themill | (both apt-get and aptitude do show you the version when they are installing...) |
| 19:00.24 | azertyuio | sudo apt-get install build-essentiel |
| 19:00.29 | azertyuio | command not found |
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| 19:00.36 | Lartza | themill, Yeah but too late then ;) |
| 19:00.43 | nvz | azertyuio: build-essential |
| 19:00.45 | themill | azertyuio: did you install sudo? |
| 19:00.50 | streuner | azertyuio: are you using ubuntu? |
| 19:00.52 | Lartza | Gosh it has been ages since I've used a deb-based system... |
| 19:00.54 | azertyuio | yes |
| 19:00.58 | azertyuio | no squeeze |
| 19:01.00 | karsten | streuner: Not that pdo doesn't rawk as well, but it's several levels of indirection. You'd have to go to the specific version of ruby you want: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/ruby-defaults/ruby-defaults_4.8/changelog |
| 19:01.06 | karsten | streuner: aptitude figures that out for you. |
| 19:01.12 | Aprel | how much disk space is required for a desktop-less, console-only install of squeeze? |
| 19:01.22 | azertyuio | debianser@debian:~/dreambo/opendreambox$ sudo apt-get install build-essentiel |
| 19:01.24 | azertyuio | -bash: sudo : commande introuvable |
| 19:01.25 | karsten | Lartza: verbosity gives more details for aptitude. |
| 19:01.27 | azertyuio | debianser@debian:~/dreambo/opendreambox$ |
| 19:01.43 | karsten | Lartza: ... you can also do a dry-run / show-only to see what's going to happen. |
| 19:01.49 | themill | azertyuio: (a) please stop pasting into the channel; (b) please show us the output of "apt-cache policy sudo" in a pastebin. |
| 19:01.52 | themill | dpkg: tell azertyuio about pastebin |
| 19:02.09 | nkuttler | Aprel: should be mentioned in the install guide |
| 19:02.21 | nvz | Aprel: just a base install would only be a few hundred megabytes.. a squeeze desktop (gnome) install from CD1 only took up 1.6gb, about twice that after installing gnome from net mirror (full gnome deps arent on cd1) |
| 19:02.29 | karsten | Aprel: Read the install guide. |
| 19:02.56 | xand | Aprel: depends what you install. |
| 19:02.58 | nvz | I'd guess around 300mb or so |
| 19:03.03 | karsten | Aprel: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 19:03.57 | azertyuio | for policy |
| 19:03.58 | azertyuio | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006933/ |
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| 19:04.01 | karsten | Aprel: Recommended is 256 MB RAM and 1 GB disk for no desktop, 5 GB disk for a desktop install. What resources do you have? |
| 19:04.08 | nvz | the IG says 650MB but thats a bit heafty I think |
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| 19:04.39 | ompaul | azertyuio: you could use paste.debian.com also |
| 19:04.52 | themill | s/com/net/ |
| 19:04.54 | azertyuio | well do you understand my pastebin ? |
| 19:05.02 | valdyn | bad idea to use debian on constrained space anyway |
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| 19:05.08 | karsten | nvz: Aprel: I agree you could probably get by with less, but that's going to take a little engineering. The real question is: how much space does Aprel have available and how flexible are those restrictions. |
| 19:05.10 | themill | azertyuio: yes -- that says that you've not installed sudo.... |
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| 19:05.22 | azertyuio | lol |
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| 19:05.23 | Aprel | Thanks everyone! Yeah, they manual link posted says 650 absolute minimum, 1gb recommended. |
| 19:05.28 | azertyuio | it is not installed by default ? |
| 19:05.29 | ompaul | azertyuio: su - and then apt-get update |
| 19:05.39 | themill | azertyuio: sure -- why would it be? |
| 19:05.57 | azertyuio | why it not should it be ? |
| 19:06.18 | ompaul | azertyuio: you set a root password, you think it wants to guess which user if any should have sudo rights and to what level |
| 19:06.20 | azertyuio | i never installed sudo manually in ubntu |
| 19:06.21 | themill | azertyuio: because forcing lots of useless crap into the default install isn't a great way of making a good operating system |
| 19:06.44 | Aprel | Was about to do a VirtBox install of debian and their recommended 8GBs looked high.... |
| 19:07.01 | ompaul | azertyuio: it is debian, if you want ubuntu that's a different channel and disk |
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| 19:07.08 | nkuttler | Aprel: virtualbox has dynamic images anyway, no need to worry about disk size |
| 19:07.14 | valdyn | Aprel: thats not high, thats sensible |
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| 19:07.31 | nvz | Aprel: I normally set it to 40gb... they have the option of dynamic storage.. so its better in my mind to leave it quite large so it can expand.. |
| 19:07.42 | Aprel | valdyn: well, high for a console install that I'm not going to be storing too much on :) |
| 19:07.46 | nvz | its not going to actually use any more disk space than it needs, but if you set it too low you can't change it |
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| 19:08.33 | valdyn | Aprel: theres quite a bit of space you need thats not the "install" but log files, downloaded packages |
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| 19:08.53 | Aprel | ah, forgot vbox has that dynamic allocation feature |
| 19:08.58 | devhell | hi, since a couple of days I get this message when executing apt-get update: E: Method rred has died unexpectedly! -- I'm on wheezy/sid. |
| 19:09.12 | azertyuio | well tell me how to give temporarly root access for a package installation ? |
| 19:09.30 | valdyn | azertyuio: su<enter> |
| 19:09.31 | nvz | azertyuio: su |
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| 19:09.44 | azertyuio | i don't want to do it in 2 times |
| 19:09.52 | azertyuio | just only in one time |
| 19:09.58 | valdyn | azertyuio: read the su manpage |
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| 19:10.07 | azertyuio | i m looking an equivalent of this command sudo apt-get install build-essentiel |
| 19:10.18 | ompaul | azertyuio: you want to do su - password and then the command on the next line game over |
| 19:10.20 | nvz | azertyuio: if you use a desktop gui you may want to look into gnome-sudo or gksu and gdebi |
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| 19:10.51 | azertyuio | the game still not over till you don't ask my question is correct way |
| 19:11.06 | themill | azertyuio: feel free to install sudo if you want it; you will probably also need to set up your user for permissive use of sudo |
| 19:11.13 | nvz | azertyuio: su -c apt-get install build-essential |
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| 19:12.27 | azertyuio | not working |
| 19:12.38 | azertyuio | Unknown id: install |
| 19:13.09 | justin | nvz: quotes |
| 19:13.15 | nvz | then quote it or stop being a pain and just install sudo |
| 19:13.19 | nvz | or do su |
| 19:13.37 | nvz | or whatever.. your question has been answered about a dozen times by half a dozen people already |
| 19:13.41 | karlpinc | !tell azertyuio about sudoers |
| 19:13.44 | ompaul | azertyuio: easiest way ... su - it asks for password apt-get update && apt-get install foo ctrl d to quit the shell |
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| 19:15.49 | azertyuio | it's okay for me |
| 19:16.43 | streuner | what is ok, that you dont use Debian? |
| 19:17.01 | karlpinc | Is there a way to turn ctrl-d off, just for the shell itself? Just curious. I hit it by accident about once every 5 years. (And I don't think I'd want it off for, say, here documents either....) |
| 19:17.05 | azertyuio | i got my answer |
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| 19:18.07 | ompaul | karlpinc: is that not a built in |
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| 19:18.21 | devhell | hi, since a couple of days I get this message when executing apt-get update: E: Method rred has died unexpectedly! -- I'm on wheezy/sid. |
| 19:18.29 | karlpinc | ompaul: You'd _think_ it'd be shell specific. |
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| 19:18.57 | streuner | devhell: you are using testing or unstable, but not both... |
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| 19:19.20 | ompaul | karlpinc: see I think it works in most of them, a bit like cd |
| 19:19.32 | devhell | streuner: I know. I have apt pinned to testing, but I use selected packages from sid. |
| 19:19.34 | streuner | devhell: please tell us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:19.41 | xeon-enouf | cd is a kernel thing, IINM ompaul |
| 19:19.46 | themill | karlpinc: "set -o ignoreeof" |
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| 19:19.55 | streuner | devhell: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 19:19.57 | karlpinc | Humm. Bash has IGNOREEOF, where dash has "-I ignoreeof". |
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| 19:20.29 | karlpinc | themill: Thanks. "set" is the right way. |
| 19:20.48 | jelly-home | karlpinc: or disable it with stty |
| 19:21.11 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Wouldn't want it disabled entirely. |
| 19:21.32 | devhell | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/171180/ |
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| 19:21.34 | streuner | devhell: pinning is a great idea, but in reality its just sucks... |
| 19:21.36 | jelly-home | karlpinc: the settings apply for that tty only |
| 19:21.59 | azertyuio | just like i try to compile an opensource code |
| 19:22.04 | azertyuio | i got this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006968/ |
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| 19:22.52 | devhell | streuner: You're right, however, I have not had this issue before. |
| 19:23.03 | xeon-enouf | hrm, shouldn't ignoreeof be seen in shopt -p output? ..or is my bash that old |
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| 19:23.11 | MO_Handes | how can I open a GUI file manager with root permissions? |
| 19:23.13 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Yah. But I like ctrl-d on, say, cat - Or is it the shell that sends the signal to cat on ctrl-d and if I used set then I couldn't ctrl-d with cat anyhow? |
| 19:23.37 | devhell | streuner: running apt-get with: apt-get update -o Acquire::PDiffs=false is successful. |
| 19:23.42 | xeon-enouf | MO_Handes: most DEs have su equivs; gksudo, etc |
| 19:23.48 | nvz | azertyuio: apt-get install diffstat texi2html svn gawk chrpath |
| 19:24.00 | jelly-home | azertyuio: you can search for those tools using apt-file, or http://packages.debian.org/, or the judd irc bot, eg. /msg judd file bin/diffstat |
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| 19:24.12 | streuner | devhell: just use one testing repo and nothing else |
| 19:24.30 | streuner | forget pinning |
| 19:24.40 | devhell | streuner: as you can see from my pastebin, I am using only testing atm.. |
| 19:24.42 | jelly-home | nvz: svn package is not called like that |
| 19:24.54 | nvz | jelly-home: well thats the only one I didn't verify.. heh |
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| 19:25.13 | azertyuio | great |
| 19:25.14 | jelly-home | nvz: give the man a fish... |
| 19:25.20 | karlpinc | xeon-enouf: you want setopt, not shopt. |
| 19:25.31 | xeon-enouf | karlpinc: oh.. |
| 19:25.32 | streuner | devhell: true, i saw that before, but you made a change, i dont know whatever that is... |
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| 19:25.35 | xeon-enouf | thanks karlpinc |
| 19:25.45 | devhell | streuner: what do you mean? |
| 19:25.45 | nvz | jelly-home: anything to get em out of my fishing hole.. heh.. |
| 19:26.13 | streuner | devhell: anyway, just correct your sources.list and forget pinning |
| 19:26.14 | xeon-enouf | bash: setopt: command not found #heh |
| 19:26.18 | jelly-home | karlpinc: yeah, that will disable all usage of it. I guess you want the shell options then |
| 19:26.22 | devhell | streuner: correct my sources to what? |
| 19:26.38 | streuner | devhell: to a clear testing sources.list |
| 19:27.12 | streuner | devhell: official sources.list and nothing else |
| 19:27.12 | themill | devhell: disabling pdiffs will fix the rred crash |
| 19:27.27 | themill | dpkg: tell devhell about pdiff |
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| 19:27.33 | devhell | themill: thanks. |
| 19:27.46 | karlpinc | xeon-enouf: Sorry I was looking at the wrong section of the bash man page, at the "complete" built-in. |
| 19:27.51 | devhell | streuner: I'll see about that, thanks so far. |
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| 19:28.14 | xeon-enouf | karlpinc: no worries ;-) |
| 19:28.15 | streuner | devhell: no worries |
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| 19:41.25 | azertyuio | Debian is the best |
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| 19:41.50 | azertyuio | i got lots of trouble with ubuntu for compiling packages |
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| 19:42.58 | azertyuio | there is no error with debian to doing the same thing |
| 19:43.04 | n-iCe | :) |
| 19:44.51 | azertyuio | Great |
| 19:45.31 | xeon-enouf | karsten: just saw your much earlier question about Maintainers/Changes (over life of pkg) .. this isn't exactly that, but might be handy; grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage,Version 'install ok installed' #for example |
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| 19:46.07 | xeon-enouf | grep-status and dctrl-tools pkgs |
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| 19:49.50 | aguitel | how remove xfce4 ? |
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| 19:50.17 | n-iCe | apt-get remove xfce4 |
| 19:50.20 | aaa801 | Anyone help me out here, [drm:i915_handchech_elapsed] error hangcheck timer elapsed... gpu hang |
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| 19:50.53 | sergiufreenode | hi |
| 19:50.54 | n-iCe | aaa801: doing what |
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| 19:51.02 | aaa801 | n-iCe general use |
| 19:51.08 | sergiufreenode | doese linux sucks> |
| 19:51.11 | sergiufreenode | ? |
| 19:51.13 | engla | aaa801: kernel version? |
| 19:51.17 | aaa801 | engla: 2.6 |
| 19:51.25 | engla | aaa801: :-) more specific please |
| 19:51.41 | jelly-home | n-iCe: find the libraries all xfce packages depend on, and remove those. |
| 19:51.46 | aaa801 | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:51.50 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 19:51.56 | jelly-home | aguitel: find the libraries all xfce packages depend on, and remove those. |
| 19:52.01 | n-iCe | aaa801: when it hangs, please login via ssh from another computer; once logged into the hung computer save the contents of "dmesg" plus copies of the files "/var/log/X*" |
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| 19:52.16 | aguitel | jelly-home: ok |
| 19:52.47 | n-iCe | aaa801: edit your sources.list and do and update upgrade dist-upgrade and check if that fixes it |
| 19:52.52 | n-iCe | aaa801: squeeze or wheezy? |
| 19:52.56 | aaa801 | squeeze |
| 19:53.05 | aaa801 | this gpu is a known trouble maker |
| 19:53.21 | n-iCe | aaa801: try the update upgrade thing first |
| 19:53.25 | n-iCe | editing with correct sources.list |
| 19:53.45 | aaa801 | says 0 packages upgraded |
| 19:53.50 | aaa801 | i did edit the sources.list |
| 19:54.02 | aaa801 | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 19:54.04 | n-iCe | aaa801, then move to squeezy |
| 19:54.08 | n-iCe | to wheezy |
| 19:54.09 | n-iCe | lol |
| 19:54.12 | aaa801 | lol |
| 19:54.14 | aaa801 | how do? |
| 19:54.29 | aaa801 | just change the repos? |
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| 19:54.33 | n-iCe | aaa801, well, a clean install would be the best, but I have upgraded changing the sources.list to wheezy and update upgrade |
| 19:54.37 | engla | or you could just try the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 19:54.43 | jelly-home | n-iCe: please don't tell people to "upgrade" to wheezy just because of a bug |
| 19:54.47 | n-iCe | aaa801, what engla says is correct too |
| 19:55.05 | n-iCe | jelly-home: have worked for me :) if you have any other answer give it |
| 19:55.10 | n-iCe | I'm giving ideas, options |
| 19:55.10 | jelly-home | n-iCe: wheezy does not have security updates; it's often buggy and sometimes uninstallable |
| 19:55.20 | n-iCe | jelly-home: I have been using it for a while with no problem |
| 19:55.22 | engla | jelly-home: it might be correct in this case.. sandy bridge is much better supported with newer linux/X/drm etc |
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| 19:55.27 | n-iCe | it is more stable than you think |
| 19:55.31 | aaa801 | how do i grab the kernel from squeeze-backports? |
| 19:55.52 | jelly-home | n-iCe: I know exactly how stable it is, using it, and would not recommend a new user do that |
| 19:56.01 | n-iCe | !backports |
| 19:56.02 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:56.09 | MO_Handes | suppose I remove some package files from /usr/share/... what should I do to repair it?! |
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| 19:56.23 | nvz | MO_Handes: reinstall the package |
| 19:56.25 | jelly-home | !tell aaa801 about bpo |
| 19:56.37 | jelly-home | !tell aaa801 about bdo xorg |
| 19:57.27 | mooglenorph | !tell mooglenorph about bpo xorg |
| 19:57.36 | nvz | MO_Handes: alternatively if you dont know what is missing or w/e use debsums |
| 19:57.59 | aaa801 | ok im not seeing the 3.2 kernel in backports :/ |
| 19:58.10 | aaa801 | i did aptitud e-t squeeze-backports search kernel |
| 19:58.16 | nvz | aaa801: do you have a specific need for the 3.2 kernel? |
| 19:58.19 | MO_Handes | nvz: debsums ?! |
| 19:58.22 | engla | aaa801: did update first? |
| 19:58.24 | aaa801 | ye |
| 19:58.30 | aaa801 | nvz: gpu hangs |
| 19:58.33 | nvz | MO_Handes: yes debsums checksums the files in a package |
| 19:58.38 | nvz | aaa801: Intel? |
| 19:58.45 | aaa801 | the dreded dell inspiron |
| 19:58.46 | aaa801 | yes |
| 19:59.11 | nvz | aaa801: I have the same issue, destroyed my fs when I installed 3.2 from backports.. still havent reinstalled yet, the system wont boot, missing libs to fsck |
| 19:59.20 | aaa801 | eek |
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| 20:00.02 | nvz | aaa801: my issue is further complicated because I have a broadcom wifi and ethernet, and I use wifi primarily for internet.. so I gotta pull in wheezy broadcom-sta stuff each time and build a new driver to get online |
| 20:00.06 | engla | nvz: how was it destroyed? |
| 20:00.12 | karlpinc | aaa801: The kernel packages now say "linux" or "freebsd" insead of "kernel". (You can search for "image".) |
| 20:00.31 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:00.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 20:00.51 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell aaa801 about bdo kernel |
| 20:00.54 | nvz | engla: just started throwing journal errors, forced me into read-only mode and I had to fsck, after the fsck I had to reboot, and it wouldnt boot because fsck tries to run at boot and there were missing libraries |
| 20:01.17 | nvz | happened immediately after booting 3.2 from bpo so I'm fairly sure its the cause |
| 20:01.35 | karlpinc | nvz: That's very strange, because it means it did not do an update-initramfs -u when you installed the new kernel. Which is very strange. |
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| 20:01.59 | nvz | all I'm saying is, I dont know that 3.2 will fix the intel gpu hun issues... but I do believe it'll cause new ones |
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| 20:02.21 | nvz | from what i've read on the intel issues, they could likely be fixed in 2.6.39 or higher |
| 20:02.26 | karlpinc | nvz: I've never had a problem with backported kernels, and the whole point is that they _don't_ cause problems. |
| 20:02.31 | nvz | and they may not even be kernel related |
| 20:02.54 | nvz | idk.. so far for me 3.2 has wreaked havoc on anything I've put it on |
| 20:02.55 | engla | 2.6.32 is too old for newer intel integrated graphics, I'd say |
| 20:02.59 | aaa801 | well ubuntu was fine with the 3.2 kernel |
| 20:03.02 | aaa801 | so il give this a shot |
| 20:03.07 | nvz | it crashed virtualbox completely trying to boot wheezy after install |
| 20:03.08 | aaa801 | ubuntu just runs too slow on this hardware |
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| 20:03.27 | karlpinc | nvz: You're putting backported kernels on wheezy? |
| 20:03.57 | nvz | karlpinc: no, the backport was running on the actual hardware on squeeze.. the wheezy was running on virtualbox and has 3.2 natively |
| 20:04.15 | nvz | in either case it destroyed what it was running on |
| 20:04.22 | cutchyacokov | Hello all. I'm just wondering which directories tend to fill up the fastest on a typical debian system. I only have a 4GB SSD and 16GB SD card to work with. Will probably be running in TTYs only or with a very simple window manager like awesome or dwm with very few GUI apps. Thanks. |
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| 20:05.18 | karlpinc | cutchyacokov: You could use lvm (or even md) to combine them, and have only a single partition for /. |
| 20:05.26 | nvz | cutchyacokov: I'd say just put root on the 4gb SSD, /home on the 16GB SD and perhaps bind mount /tmp somewhere in /home |
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| 20:06.12 | engla | tmpfs /tmp if you can, use no swap if you can |
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| 20:06.40 | cutchyacokov | karlpinc: I could but the SD card is rather slow media and I would prefer to run the more important stuff on the SSD alone. |
| 20:07.09 | nvz | 4gb is plenty for a light desktop system |
| 20:07.12 | karlpinc | cutchyacokov: I'd think 20G would be fine. The big thing would be to turn off apt's cache -- or every time you install something you suck up extra storage. |
| 20:07.54 | cutchyacokov | nvz: If / can live on 4GB without too much trouble I'll definitely do that, I'll probably run /tmp, /var/tmp, etc on tmpfs anyway to avoid unnecessary writes |
| 20:07.57 | nvz | I didnt know you could turn off apts cache.. I always just clean it regularly |
| 20:08.16 | karlpinc | cutchyacokov: The nice thing about lvm is that you don't need to worry about getting partitions right because you can easily change them. The bad thing is that you have to learn to use lvm. :-) |
| 20:08.28 | cutchyacokov | karlpinc: What is apts caching directory? I'll just throw that on tmpfs |
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| 20:08.54 | karlpinc | cutchyacokov: The cache is supposed to stay there between reboots. |
| 20:09.00 | nvz | cutchyacokov: well I know when I did a squeeze install using standard gnome desktop system from cd1 a couple days ago it only took up 1.6gb.. takes up about 3gb after doing apt-get install gnome from mirror |
| 20:09.17 | Michael123 | Hi everyone |
| 20:09.17 | nvz | cutchyacokov: so you could get by with considerably less not using a complete desktop bloat like that |
| 20:09.38 | cutchyacokov | karlpinc: I realize that but wouldn't it be better to have it on tmpfs rather than completely disabled? |
| 20:09.54 | jelly-home | karlpinc: actually, Debian Policy states all files under /var/cache may be safely deleted if the services using them aren't started |
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| 20:10.22 | aaa801 | firing it up with 3.2 |
| 20:10.31 | karlpinc | nvz: I think the way to do it is to turn down the upper limit of the cache size to something really small. |
| 20:10.41 | cutchyacokov | nvz: That's great, thanks. I guess I should be able to get away with just 4gb |
| 20:10.51 | nvz | karlpinc: I wasnt even aware there was a limit.. heh |
| 20:10.58 | Michael123 | Does anyone know if it's possible to create a file/pipe inside a command? I have a utility which needs to read two files, so I can't use a pipe. I'd rather do something like: |
| 20:11.11 | jelly-home | cutchyacokov; karlpinc: note that directories need to be preserved, which makes a tmpfs a suboptimal idea unless you repopulate /var/cache directory tree at boot before anything else tries to use it |
| 20:11.21 | resixian | where are the default udev rules on debian? |
| 20:11.32 | Michael123 | utilty (zcat 1_*.gz) (zcat 2_*.gz) |
| 20:11.56 | jelly-home | Michael123: bash and zsh can do <(command) |
| 20:12.06 | streuner | resixian: i guess usually they live in /etc |
| 20:12.14 | resixian | nah, /usr/lib/udev |
| 20:12.17 | resixian | ty thogh |
| 20:12.21 | karlpinc | jelly-home: That's what I was recalling, that directories need to be preserved. (Which is stupid given that you _should_ be able to empty the cache.) |
| 20:12.23 | jelly-home | Michael123: say, diff -u <(zcat file1.gz) <(zcat file2.gz) |
| 20:12.25 | Michael123 | jelly-home: But could I use that for two different files simultaniously? |
| 20:12.28 | cutchyacokov | jelly-home: Eek, no thanks, I guess I'll just turn the size limit down very low. karlpinc: What config file handles the apt cache size? |
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| 20:13.07 | karlpinc | cutchyacokov: man apt.conf |
| 20:13.08 | Michael123 | aha |
| 20:13.17 | cutchyacokov | karlpinc: thanks |
| 20:13.23 | jelly-home | Michael123: yes. The command will get something like "/proc/self/fd/42" as an argument and be able to open that |
| 20:13.45 | cowned_ekur | hello there, just a thought : would it be possible to run xorg through my onboard nvidia card while still using the pci-express mounted ati card for GPU-cycle stuff like bitcoin mining / pw cracking / video encoding ? |
| 20:13.55 | Michael123 | What do we call those things in the unix world again? |
| 20:14.03 | Michael123 | something more formal than pipes? |
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| 20:15.00 | nvz | Michael123: a FIFO? |
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| 20:16.04 | jelly-home | Michael123: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html#Process-Substitution |
| 20:16.38 | nvz | cutchyacokov: anything is possible.. if you wanna read thousand page GPU manuals and do a lot of coding |
| 20:16.44 | nvz | cowned_ekur: ^ |
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| 20:17.14 | Michael123 | Thanks nvz, jelly-home |
| 20:17.35 | nvz | personally nvidia is the only people I know of that made software available to utililize their chipsets in non-standard ways using cuda, and that even requires that the software be recompiled |
| 20:18.59 | engla | recompilation isn't surprising.. it's not a general-purpose cpu |
| 20:19.20 | aaa801 | well no more gpu hangups |
| 20:19.21 | aaa801 | :D |
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| 20:19.39 | aaa801 | pc seems to be handling flash quite well aswell for a ancient laptop |
| 20:19.46 | nvz | yeah well all I'm getting at is, its more realistic for this to work the other way around.. use the ATI as a graphics card, use the nvidia as a super computer |
| 20:19.48 | engla | aaa801: great |
| 20:19.58 | nvz | but even then, youd have to recompile a crapload of stuff to make it work |
| 20:19.58 | cowned_ekur | alright nvz |
| 20:20.01 | cowned_ekur | ill check out cuda |
| 20:20.03 | aaa801 | Thanks for the help guys, il proberly need more before this dam thing is ready for my grandad |
| 20:20.05 | aaa801 | ;p |
| 20:20.11 | cowned_ekur | i wouldnt mind the extra cycles |
| 20:20.36 | cowned_ekur | installing davinci resolve 8.2.1 (free!!! ) to handle 1080p video |
| 20:21.21 | cowned_ekur | its a phenom 955 cpu with ati 4850 which should be sufficient on its own for this purpose; but since there's a gpu on the board why not put it to work |
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| 20:24.12 | jelly-home | cowned_ekur: if your nvidia card supports vdpau, you can use nvidia's non-free driver and a media player like mplayer that supports vdpau as output |
| 20:24.56 | jelly-home | no idea howor whether it's going to work in presence of ati nonfree driver |
| 20:24.59 | cowned_ekur | hm. there wont be a screen connected to the card - i just want to squeeze cycles out of it |
| 20:25.18 | cowned_ekur | yeh getting those to play along sounds like computer alchemy |
| 20:25.32 | cowned_ekur | might make gold :D |
| 20:25.51 | nvz | I highly doubt it |
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| 20:26.12 | cowned_ekur | vdpau looks interesting too - at least in description |
| 20:26.44 | nvz | there is also things like openCL which are not platform specific like CUDA, but they're also less mature and optimized for that reason |
| 20:27.15 | nvz | pretty much any use of such a platform will require specific libraries and recompilation of any software that would use it |
| 20:27.50 | cowned_ekur | both nvidia and ati provide ' opencl ICD' (installable client driver) which dont exclude eachother as deps |
| 20:28.31 | cowned_ekur | tbh if i can't do it with apt it's not worth the hassle right now |
| 20:28.51 | nvz | should've either bought a board with ati or better yet, an nvidia graphics card instead of an ati |
| 20:29.06 | nvz | there are many boards out there that can do SLI with the onboard card |
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| 20:29.43 | jelly-home | ATIs are apparently better for at least some general-purpose computing on linux |
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| 20:29.55 | resixian | can anyone check, are your luks volumes shown in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
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| 20:30.18 | nvz | I've never had any luck getting them to work any better than the average 8mb vesa card other than the really old ones |
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| 20:30.46 | nvz | not to mention their driver cannot work in a hybrid environment and never seems to work at all actually.. heh.. nvidia's you just install it and it works |
| 20:31.03 | daveo | what program does one use to take an iso image and make a thumb drive bottable? |
| 20:31.13 | nvz | daveo: unetbootin |
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| 20:31.27 | daveo | nvz: thanks! |
| 20:31.31 | resixian | the uuid from `blkid /dev/mapper/tempcontainer` never shows up in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 20:31.37 | xand | daveo: dd |
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| 20:31.58 | xand | (if it's a debian install cd image anyway) |
| 20:32.14 | cowned_ekur | oh ive already had *lots* of trouble installing the ati driver |
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| 20:32.30 | cowned_ekur | but this geforce onboard is just an IGP inside the northbridge |
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| 20:32.55 | nvz | cowned_ekur: yeah its a nightmare.. and a well documented fact that it will not work ona hybrid system with say a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland |
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| 20:34.19 | nvz | I hear windows gamer tards say ATI is the best.. I've seen no evidence to support that they even perform as intended much less any bit exceptionally.. they're just a royal PITA |
| 20:34.22 | cowned_ekur | this is a clean install of crunchbang waldorf (pretty much debian wheezy but with openbox and slim as default x environment) |
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| 20:34.43 | cowned_ekur | ati have significantly more raw power for using gpu for anything but 3d accel |
| 20:34.53 | cowned_ekur | which actually suits me just fine |
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| 20:44.01 | jonny | !list |
| 20:44.01 | dpkg | jonny: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 20:45.02 | nvz | these are not the warez you're looking for |
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| 20:46.11 | reavengrey | Hi, I'm trying to understand runlevels; |
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| 20:46.26 | reavengrey | When the kernel just finishes booting, it passes control to init |
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| 20:46.36 | reavengrey | What runlevel is the system in at this point? |
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| 20:49.37 | nevyn | S |
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| 20:50.14 | reavengrey | Is there a historic reason then, why 'runlevel' outputs "N 2" |
| 20:50.27 | reavengrey | Saying then that the previous runlevel was none |
| 20:50.28 | reavengrey | ? |
| 20:51.24 | nevyn | S isn't really a runlevel per say |
| 20:51.25 | engla | it makes sense to say runlevel is 2. it's 2 because that is the "goal" |
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| 20:51.57 | nevyn | reavengrey: the system booted. to the default runlevel of 2 |
| 20:52.11 | nevyn | reavengrey: as defined in inittab as defaultrunlevel |
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| 20:53.26 | nevyn | I said S as it next runs rc "startup" stuff which are not run when changing between runlevels.. but why do you care? |
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| 20:53.48 | nevyn | there's only runlevel 1 2 and 6 effectivly |
| 20:54.19 | dvs | and 0 |
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| 20:54.28 | azertyuio | hi got this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007111/ |
| 20:54.57 | nevyn | ok yes and 0 |
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| 20:55.25 | jonny | ciao |
| 20:55.28 | nevyn | in what? doing what? |
| 20:55.33 | jonny | !list |
| 20:55.33 | dpkg | jonny: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:55.37 | nevyn | !tell azertyuio about ask |
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| 20:56.10 | nvz | jonny: is there something we can help you with? |
| 20:56.23 | dvs | nvz: he wants wareZ |
| 20:56.43 | azertyuio | when i try to compile from source code |
| 20:56.47 | nvz | dvs: no shit, but he's done this several times by now and apparently doesn't realize what freenode is |
| 20:57.58 | dvs | nvz: I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bot of some sort. |
| 20:59.00 | nevyn | azertyuio: make this easy for me. don't just paste a url and expect people to go there to find out that you've got a problem with soething that's already in the distribution . |
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| 20:59.47 | nevyn | ooh even better dreambox firmware ... yeah no.. |
| 21:00.48 | azertyuio | do you see what is written on the pastebin ? |
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| 21:01.08 | azertyuio | i just to compile from source code of dreambox |
| 21:01.14 | azertyuio | i got that error |
| 21:01.16 | azertyuio | that"s all |
| 21:01.29 | azertyuio | i don't know if i need to install rpm ? |
| 21:01.31 | azertyuio | i m asking |
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| 21:04.05 | n-iCe | rpm on debian? |
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| 21:04.32 | tmg | azertyuio: OperationalError: disk I/O error |
| 21:04.35 | tmg | is your answert |
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| 21:05.06 | azertyuio | what's that it mean ? |
| 21:05.14 | azertyuio | t |
| 21:06.12 | jelly-home | azertyuio: the context suggests an error with that SQL query. |
| 21:06.43 | azertyuio | i got /dev/sda1 ext3 7,6G 7,2G 0 100% / |
| 21:06.49 | azertyuio | is that the problem ? |
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| 21:07.02 | engla | ... |
| 21:07.08 | azertyuio | have i need to resize the partitioN ? |
| 21:07.10 | jelly-home | azertyuio: a full disk can certainly stop a database in its tracks |
| 21:07.20 | azertyuio | ok |
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| 21:08.16 | azertyuio | thanks |
| 21:08.45 | jhutchins | azertyuio: Why are you not installing the debian package? |
| 21:08.50 | jhutchins | ,versions dreambox |
| 21:08.51 | judd | No package named 'dreambox' was found in i386. |
| 21:08.55 | jhutchins | Ah. |
| 21:08.59 | dvs | that's why? |
| 21:09.22 | jhutchins | azertyuio: Ideally you would build a .deb package and install that. |
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| 21:09.57 | azertyuio | how ? |
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| 21:13.19 | r4co0n | hello. I persistently get errors thrown at me for my ssd-card-slot, which is empty. Am running wheezy, last updated 5h ago. This error appears for at least 2 months, approximately every minute. Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d7afd688/ |
| 21:13.34 | r4co0n | i want it to go away... |
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| 21:14.22 | blip2 | r4co0n: disable it in bios? |
| 21:14.26 | blip2 | :P |
| 21:14.30 | engla | r4co0n: it looks like it is detecting a disk :/ |
| 21:14.36 | r4co0n | i might want to use it somewhen |
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| 21:15.27 | r4co0n | yeah, its really strange, brought this up here somewhen, but wasnt realising at this time that it was my ssd-reader, so noone had a clue *facepalm* |
| 21:16.25 | engla | r4co0n: at least some know the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/925760 |
| 21:16.26 | r4co0n | s/ssd/sd/g btw |
| 21:17.09 | r4co0n | i might just put a card in there, gotta see if i can find one |
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| 21:20.09 | r4co0n | engla, i should create this bug after triple-checking its non-existance on bugs.debian.org too, right? |
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| 21:22.17 | engla | sure, include the kernel-bugs link |
| 21:24.13 | Pnoexz | hey, how can i make a partition from block X to block Y? |
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| 21:25.43 | tmg | fdisk ? |
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| 21:26.21 | Pnoexz | tmg: but how exactly? |
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| 21:27.07 | r4co0n | engla, that, right: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43191 |
| 21:27.10 | r4co0n | ? |
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| 21:27.39 | tmg | Pnoexz: you ask me to read manual for you? im pretty sure it is there |
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| 21:28.57 | Pnoexz | tmg: i didnt ask YOU anything, so unless you have something worth saying, dont say anything |
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| 21:29.27 | Aprel | Jusr downloaded oracle's java runtime (I need it over jdk). It has a bin dir and a lib dir but no install script. What's the proper way to manually install binary software from an extracted tar file? |
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| 21:29.55 | gnarface | Pnoexz: there are better partitioning tools than fdisk |
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| 21:30.14 | E144 | Gparted? |
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| 21:30.42 | Pnoexz | gnarface: do you know any off the top of your head which allows you to select a block range? |
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| 21:31.01 | gnarface | Pnoexz: parted/gparted should... also i think uh... cfdisk and sfdisk? |
| 21:31.17 | engla | r4co0n: yes |
| 21:31.19 | Pnoexz | gnarface: will check them out, thanks |
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| 21:32.16 | E144 | Gparted has a livecd too that works nice |
| 21:32.22 | E144 | I use it all the time |
| 21:32.45 | Pnoexz | E144: >implying i have a cd drive |
| 21:33.23 | r4co0n | i consider marking the kernel.org bug as regression as noted here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/925760/comments/7 Sorry if im too careful, i just dont wanna waste dev time.. |
| 21:35.09 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, or some way to get stuff on your system. If u don't, I admire your endurance while copying linux by hand. |
| 21:36.04 | Pnoexz | r4co0n: unrelated, we arent talking about "getting stuff on my system" |
| 21:36.06 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, try it with a thumb drive, thats what I did last time I neeeded gparted-live. |
| 21:36.13 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, we are |
| 21:36.26 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, or try mounting via network |
| 21:36.36 | r4co0n | or via serial bus |
| 21:36.49 | Pnoexz | i never mentioned i needed the modify partitions in use |
| 21:36.51 | r4co0n | or via whatever u used to get ur software on the box |
| 21:37.02 | Pnoexz | its a fresh new partition on free space |
| 21:37.03 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, neither did i |
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| 21:37.41 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, btt, u cant use a usb thumb drive or attach an external cd reader? |
| 21:37.51 | Pnoexz | r4co0n: why would i want to do that? |
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| 21:38.02 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, to run gparted? |
| 21:38.22 | r4co0n | to modify/recreate/whatever your partition |
| 21:38.28 | Pnoexz | r4co0n: i can run it just fine |
| 21:39.06 | r4co0n | so its not the system's partition, Pnoexz , sry, was assuming that |
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| 21:39.41 | Pnoexz | r4co0n: it happens |
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| 21:41.01 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, would you tell me why you want your partition on specific sectors? |
| 21:41.11 | r4co0n | numerology? |
| 21:41.14 | Pnoexz | r4co0n: busted blocks on it |
| 21:41.25 | r4co0n | allright ;) |
| 21:42.25 | Pnoexz | nothing on (g)parted about choosing blocks, i guess ill have to blindly try different values |
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| 21:44.30 | restom | hello |
| 21:44.48 | ksuhku | Pnoexz, where did you get the bad block info from? nothing about sectors? |
| 21:44.49 | Pnoexz | restom: hello |
| 21:44.51 | restom | just found a very old server that was gathering dust today |
| 21:44.59 | restom | i had a few applications running on it |
| 21:45.10 | restom | they are still working it seems |
| 21:45.14 | Pnoexz | ksuhku: SMART told me there is a problem, checked with badblocks |
| 21:45.28 | restom | but very slow |
| 21:45.59 | Pnoexz | restom: i recently installed debian on a 128MB 1.something gHz and it works like a charm |
| 21:46.16 | restom | is there any software in the stable repo that would do a hardware health check ? |
| 21:46.40 | restom | its nothing to do with debian the server was working perfectly a few users ago :) |
| 21:46.50 | restom | i think its something to do with the hardware |
| 21:47.16 | Pnoexz | doesnt grub have a nice memory test? |
| 21:48.29 | restom | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.57 | restom | theres no monitor btw, im connecting to it over ssh and https |
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| 21:49.26 | tmg | Pnoexz: memtest.org |
| 21:49.56 | Pnoexz | restom: ^ |
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| 21:50.01 | restom | apt...." reading package lists..." <--- almost a 1 minute till it got to 100 |
| 21:50.04 | restom | i'll check that |
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| 21:52.55 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, i think you can achieve what u want with cfdisk, telling it the size of the partition in blocks and then choosing a starting block. |
| 21:53.27 | r4co0n | Pnoexz, just a guess though... |
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| 21:53.58 | Pnoexz | r4co0n: i didnt check the manual yet, i will though.. once this mkfs.ext3 -c finishes |
| 21:54.21 | Pnoexz | load average of 4 3 3 |
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| 22:10.43 | restom | so in souces.list i links containing "lenny" on this old server |
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| 22:11.10 | restom | an apt-get update doesnt help |
| 22:11.15 | restom | i still get not found |
| 22:11.17 | nsadmin | restom, what do you want to do? |
| 22:11.24 | restom | should i change all the links to stable? |
| 22:11.33 | nsadmin | lenny is not on the mirrors any more |
| 22:11.33 | restom | nsadmin install a few packages thats all |
| 22:11.46 | nsadmin | ok, look at this: |
| 22:11.55 | nsadmin | !lenny |
| 22:11.55 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 22:12.20 | Pnoexz | restom: oh, i thought it was much older.. 2 years is not really much |
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| 22:12.39 | nsadmin | o, actually you want... |
| 22:12.45 | themill | restom: and you shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list; /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 22:12.50 | restom | the hardware is old Pnoexz |
| 22:13.14 | nsadmin | !lenny sources.list |
| 22:13.15 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 22:14.04 | restom | ok just canceled the apt-get update with "stable" in the links |
| 22:14.06 | nsadmin | restom, there ya go... and, you should consider upgrading to squeeze |
| 22:14.13 | restom | thats a lot |
| 22:14.27 | restom | thanks |
| 22:14.33 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 22:14.33 | restom | damn i need some sleep :P |
| 22:16.33 | nsadmin | restom, you might want to get some sleep before you do any extreme actions |
| 22:16.53 | restom | like rm * ? |
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| 22:17.30 | Pnoexz | once ran rm * |
| 22:17.31 | nsadmin | that;s a simple but extreme action :) |
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| 22:17.43 | nsadmin | whose effect depends on your pwd |
| 22:18.39 | Pnoexz | restom: maybe he meant something like :(){:|:&};: |
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| 22:19.46 | hippocras | i'm trying to use an indepedent window manager inside gnome.. how do I disable all gnome-based keyboard shortcuts? g-conftool2? |
| 22:19.51 | Pnoexz | (which you shouldnt run) |
| 22:19.58 | restom | :D |
| 22:20.10 | restom | i googled it, got nothing :P |
| 22:20.21 | Pnoexz | restom: googled what? |
| 22:20.22 | restom | what does that do? |
| 22:20.27 | restom | :(){:|:&};: |
| 22:20.30 | Pnoexz | restom: http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/7-deadly-linux-commands.html |
| 22:20.52 | Pnoexz | and that doesnt show anything on search engines because they treat some of those characters as syntax |
| 22:21.08 | nsadmin | looks like an overdesigned smiley |
| 22:21.26 | restom | xD |
| 22:21.28 | restom | forkbomb |
| 22:21.51 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: looks like a group of people doing something which i cant mention to keep the PG13 thing.. |
| 22:22.24 | restom | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free ? |
| 22:22.25 | Pnoexz | funniest part is.. |:& |
| 22:22.45 | nsadmin | Pnoexz, sorry, meant no harm |
| 22:22.50 | restom | think im just going to remove that :P |
| 22:22.52 | Pnoexz | nsadmin: me neither |
| 22:23.07 | restom | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free <---- this one still works! |
| 22:23.45 | Pnoexz | restom: didnt somebody tell you to use archive.debian.org? |
| 22:24.11 | restom | yes i replaced those, this is lenny-backports |
| 22:24.17 | nsadmin | well not for multimedia, does archive have that? |
| 22:24.29 | restom | the multimedia link still works |
| 22:24.41 | restom | the backports link doesnt searching for the answer to this atm |
| 22:24.44 | Pnoexz | backports? arent backports a different thing? |
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| 22:25.24 | nsadmin | I never considered backports to lenny |
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| 22:27.37 | nsadmin | let;s see about that... |
| 22:27.48 | nsadmin | , versions iceweasel |
| 22:27.50 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7 |
| 22:27.54 | Pnoexz | well, gtg, have fun |
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| 22:28.07 | restom | bye. |
| 22:28.23 | nsadmin | ok, so there's a package with a lenny backport |
| 22:28.51 | nsadmin | and the question is, where can it be found |
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| 22:28.57 | restom | yap |
| 22:29.06 | restom | for the moment, i just commented it out |
| 22:29.11 | restom | :D |
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| 22:29.43 | restom | i just wana install smartmontools for now to see if this pc is still worth using |
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| 22:31.09 | hippocras | i'm trying to use an indepedent window manager inside gnome.. how do I disable all gnome-based keyboard shortcuts? |
| 22:31.29 | restom | hmm |
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| 22:33.45 | restom | there must be some gui tool that comes with gnome that does that hippocras |
| 22:33.59 | restom | whats the wm that you wanted to run "inside" gnome? |
| 22:34.58 | restom | want* |
| 22:35.30 | hippocras | restom: you mean gconfeditor? i don't want to do it all one by one. i want to wipe them all out |
| 22:36.06 | restom | nsadmin : still Unpacking smartmontools and it has taken almost 5 mins |
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| 22:36.49 | restom | hippocras : i have no idea, was just saying there has to be a way to change them using some gui tool that comes with gnome |
| 22:37.35 | hippocras | restom: i already know several ways to change them with or without the GUI |
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| 22:37.53 | hippocras | restom: like i said, i want to disable them ALL |
| 22:38.00 | restom | one click ! |
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| 22:38.08 | restom | thats what you want |
| 22:38.11 | hippocras | no clicks even restom, one script |
| 22:38.15 | hippocras | not even a script |
| 22:38.17 | hippocras | just a line |
| 22:38.38 | restom | no idea, you should find some gnome users here. |
| 22:38.47 | restom | should. |
| 22:38.48 | hippocras | thats what i'm doing restom |
| 22:38.58 | restom | good luck :) |
| 22:39.10 | hippocras | ty, good luck with linux |
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| 22:40.03 | lyrae | sometimes my computer freezes. For isntance, i just booted, did nothing, and it froze. wher should i start checking for clues |
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| 22:44.44 | simonlnu | overheating? hardware issues? |
| 22:45.03 | lyrae | yeah i suspect its hardware |
| 22:45.45 | Michael123 | Anything in the logs? |
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| 22:48.52 | ksuhku | lyrae, checked memory? |
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| 22:55.55 | mynameisdeleted | does anyone knwo if resize2fs can move a filesystem to align exactly to the physical block size of a device |
| 22:56.10 | mynameisdeleted | I know it can resize or change where the fielsystem ends, but what about where it starts or how it aligns? |
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| 22:57.36 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:57.39 | mynameisdeleted | hi |
| 22:57.57 | mynameisdeleted | bahh.. 1000 mins to finish array resize |
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| 22:58.34 | mynameisdeleted | or 16.7 hours |
| 22:58.47 | mynameisdeleted | after that I can grow to 12TB root |
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| 22:59.02 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.06 | mynameisdeleted | and hopefully 1GB/s read speed |
| 22:59.19 | mynameisdeleted | hmmm |
| 22:59.24 | mynameisdeleted | so it resets every boot? |
| 22:59.26 | bla | mynameisdeleted, you can't alter beginning at all I guess. |
| 22:59.46 | mynameisdeleted | so best way is to copy data onto another array using rsync and make the new array the proper way |
| 23:00.05 | cryptxs | is it a paranoid thing to type who every few minutes on my boxes |
| 23:00.08 | cryptxs | :o |
| 23:00.13 | floogy | is that as expected? Needs it a vfat partition, and otherwise a ext partition labeled casper-rw? |
| 23:00.25 | bla | Although the beginning should be aligned ok, unless you've made something strange at lower level. |
| 23:00.40 | mynameisdeleted | no... I just used parted deaults |
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| 23:00.46 | mynameisdeleted | but it gives warning on non-optimal alignment |
| 23:00.52 | mynameisdeleted | and when I divide the start in bytes |
| 23:00.58 | mynameisdeleted | its not a multiple of the 4k sector size |
| 23:01.02 | mynameisdeleted | only a multiple of 512 bytes |
| 23:01.15 | mynameisdeleted | ideally it shoudl be a multiple of 4k * 4 or 16k |
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| 23:01.32 | mynameisdeleted | I'm not sure if ext4 detects and takes care of that for me or not |
| 23:01.38 | bla | it does this warning during mount? |
| 23:01.42 | mynameisdeleted | no |
| 23:01.53 | bla | fdisk might alter some outdated warnings. |
| 23:01.54 | mynameisdeleted | only parted |
| 23:02.08 | mynameisdeleted | so this is a bogus warning? |
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| 23:02.37 | bla | Hm. I think it might not be important. It might've been important for some older operating systems or so. |
| 23:02.58 | mynameisdeleted | but ext4 aligns to physical blocks no matter waht |
| 23:02.59 | bla | If it is important - that's not really a ext4 thing to care after, rather the partition editor should place the partition correctly - I think. |
| 23:03.16 | mynameisdeleted | yeah .. I made it with gparted |
| 23:03.17 | mynameisdeleted | and gpt |
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| 23:03.30 | mynameisdeleted | you cant resize multi-terabyte partitions with anythign other than gpt |
| 23:03.44 | bla | fdisk won't do? :) |
| 23:03.48 | bla | Maybe it won't. |
| 23:03.54 | mynameisdeleted | I mean for partition table |
| 23:03.59 | mynameisdeleted | fdisk and parted both work |
| 23:04.01 | mynameisdeleted | to make a gpt label |
| 23:04.03 | bla | I tend to use LVM and keep pvs as they are |
| 23:04.05 | mynameisdeleted | but you can thave dos table |
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| 23:04.34 | bla | mhm, right. |
| 23:04.40 | mynameisdeleted | any opinion on 6*3TB baracuda 7200 rpm sata? |
| 23:04.55 | mynameisdeleted | dos doesnt support greater than 2TB |
| 23:05.00 | mynameisdeleted | so for 3TB you need to format as gpt |
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| 23:05.10 | mynameisdeleted | sun and sgi also are limited to 2TB |
| 23:05.13 | mynameisdeleted | as is bsd |
| 23:05.30 | mynameisdeleted | I wonder if gpt also has a volume size limit |
| 23:05.36 | mynameisdeleted | maybbe at 100TB or so |
| 23:05.59 | mynameisdeleted | ahhh 9.4 zetabytes |
| 23:06.00 | ksuhku | that's a one respectable porn collection |
| 23:06.19 | floogy | ok, what might be the appropriate channel to ask for pendrive driven by grub2/ext and casper-rw? |
| 23:06.36 | cheese1756 | floogy: ##linux, maybe? |
| 23:06.49 | floogy | it's developed by live-debian though ... |
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| 23:09.40 | floogy | http://live.debian.net/manual/html/live-manual.en.html |
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| 23:11.17 | anathema_ | hi |
| 23:11.20 | floogy | Ah: an image/archive file located on the root of any readable filesystem (even an NTFS partition of a foreign OS), identified by its file name. In this case the file name must also use the containing filesystem as the file extension, e.g. "<label>.ext4". |
| 23:11.40 | floogy | Will try with a renamed casper-rw.ext4 ;) |
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| 23:12.26 | anathema_ | i have an error during the apt-get update and this is the output: http://pastebin.com/xNVnrRyE |
| 23:12.27 | floogy | http://live.debian.net/manual/html/live-manual.en.html#521 |
| 23:12.30 | anathema_ | any help? |
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| 23:15.21 | anathema_ | i think that is a gpg error but i dont know how to fix it |
| 23:15.32 | floogy | anathema_: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA |
| 23:15.59 | floogy | gpg -a --export BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA|sudo apt-key add - |
| 23:16.15 | tharkun | Gentlemen what would it be a nice forensics url to read? |
| 23:16.36 | anathema_ | thanks floogy but what type of error is this? |
| 23:16.40 | anathema_ | gpg key change? |
| 23:18.01 | floogy | don't know. I think you lost the key. Maybe it changed... |
| 23:18.28 | anathema_ | i must type the 2 of the commands? |
| 23:18.38 | nsadmin | tharkun, you want to learn about dead people?! |
| 23:19.31 | floogy | Maybe it's related to a temporarily server down? |
| 23:19.34 | anathema_ | floogy, i typed the two commands that you said me and after the apt-get update |
| 23:19.42 | anathema_ | still have this... |
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| 23:19.58 | nsadmin | anathema_, one thing that will help you to understand what's going on in more detail, is read the man pages involved and piece it together annotated with your new understanding |
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| 23:20.11 | tharkun | nsadmin: YESSS would you please cut your head off so i can examin your corpse... |
| 23:20.26 | floogy | can you please patebinit on paste.ubuntu.com (less pub) |
| 23:20.41 | anathema_ | nsadmin, i read about the pgp keys but I cant fix that error |
| 23:20.43 | anathema_ | ok |
| 23:21.21 | nsadmin | also pastebinit defaults to a pastebin site that shows ads |
| 23:21.29 | tharkun | floogy: sometimes repos get screwed. Time to go out and feel the fresh air while someone fixes it |
| 23:21.32 | anathema_ | fLoo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007322/ |
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| 23:21.44 | tharkun | floogy: wrong nick ;P |
| 23:22.13 | anathema_ | so maybe the servers have the gpg problem and i have no problem |
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| 23:23.31 | tharkun | anathema_: Feed the requested information so people with deeper knowledge can diagnose it properly |
| 23:23.54 | floogy | tharkun: Hm, I might develop a cough |
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| 23:24.04 | nsadmin | anathema_, maybe. try this: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 23:24.09 | anathema_ | my problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007322 |
| 23:24.13 | anathema_ | during apt-get update :/ |
| 23:24.34 | ksuhku | floogy, as long as you apply a free license to it |
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| 23:25.21 | anathema_ | still getting the errors nsadmin :D |
| 23:25.42 | frikinz_ | what are the shorcuts to type a unicode char given its code? |
| 23:25.42 | anathema_ | If I am the only person that I have these errors so I have a problem with the keys |
| 23:25.52 | nsadmin | anathema_, if you already pasted your sources.list, what's the url? |
| 23:25.57 | anathema_ | but I dont know why because I didnt any change in the repos |
| 23:26.10 | floogy | ksuhku: To get it clear: I'm not a serious cough developer |
| 23:26.14 | nsadmin | if not, please do so :) |
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| 23:26.52 | nsadmin | anathema_, what continent are you on? |
| 23:27.38 | anathema_ | my sources: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007329/ |
| 23:27.45 | frikinz_ | ah shift ctrl u , release, type code |
| 23:28.17 | anathema_ | Im @ Europe pointed in main server |
| 23:28.46 | floogy | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:29.43 | nsadmin | comment out lines 13, 16 and 17 (view your own paste to see line nbrs) and try the update again |
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| 23:30.02 | floogy | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/netselect-apt |
| 23:30.45 | nsadmin | floogy, let's find out which source is the problem |
| 23:31.05 | floogy | the one with gr in it |
| 23:31.30 | floogy | deb http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 23:31.34 | nsadmin | ahh, so I'm having him comment those out and another one which we'll uncomment in a moment |
| 23:32.03 | anathema_ | hmm i dont understand what i must do |
| 23:32.04 | anathema_ | :P |
| 23:32.09 | floogy | He might should try another volatile repo |
| 23:32.09 | tharkun | nsadmin: You haven't chopped off your head yet ;) |
| 23:32.17 | anathema_ | The problem its in the greek server? |
| 23:32.33 | nsadmin | tharkun, I have a headless server... does she count? |
| 23:32.34 | floogy | Yes seems to |
| 23:32.59 | anathema_ | so I comment the greek. |
| 23:33.04 | anathema_ | what server I must replace for this one"? |
| 23:33.11 | tharkun | nsadmin: ok now you begin to get the idea |
| 23:33.14 | nsadmin | anathema_, first, look at your paste (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007329/) |
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| 23:33.26 | anathema_ | ok nsadmin i looked |
| 23:33.41 | floogy | GPG error: http://ftp.gr.debian.org squeeze-updates |
| 23:33.42 | nsadmin | see lines 16 and 17?\ |
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| 23:34.30 | anathema_ | yes i saw them |
| 23:34.59 | mynameisdeleted | is there a version of the df utility which shows gigabytes and terabytes? |
| 23:35.00 | nsadmin | and, notice how lines 3, 5 and 7 have # at start? that's how you comment |
| 23:35.08 | mynameisdeleted | instead of just df -m, df -k, or -df -s |
| 23:35.11 | engla | mynameisdeleted: df -h |
| 23:35.19 | anathema_ | nsadmin thanks I have commented out the 16+17 |
| 23:35.30 | anathema_ | but I must replace them with somethng else? |
| 23:35.35 | nsadmin | ok, save the file and try update them |
| 23:35.36 | floogy | just guessing: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze -updates main |
| 23:35.37 | mynameisdeleted | ahh |
| 23:35.38 | mynameisdeleted | awsome |
| 23:35.40 | nsadmin | not necessarily |
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| 23:35.57 | nsadmin | for now just try updating |
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| 23:36.28 | mynameisdeleted | df -h / /dev/md0p1 5.5T 1.9T 3.4T 37% / |
| 23:36.29 | nsadmin | see if the problem goes away |
| 23:36.32 | floogy | s/squeeze -updates/squeeze-updates( |
| 23:36.40 | floogy | pff |
| 23:36.41 | mynameisdeleted | 3.4TB free out of 5.5TB total |
| 23:36.47 | anathema_ | nsadmin i did it and i also get gpg error |
| 23:36.51 | anathema_ | for the other server |
| 23:36.51 | mynameisdeleted | soon 11TB wil show |
| 23:36.55 | anathema_ | security debian :/ |
| 23:37.01 | nsadmin | ok, comment out line 13 |
| 23:37.06 | mynameisdeleted | or 12*10^12 |
| 23:37.13 | nsadmin | try again (don't replace, this is just a test) |
| 23:37.16 | mynameisdeleted | or 1.2*10^13 |
| 23:37.33 | mynameisdeleted | how do I show bytes? |
| 23:37.54 | nsadmin | mynameisdeleted, man df |
| 23:38.00 | nsadmin | it's all there |
| 23:38.11 | floogy | yeah, he got already security updates in line 12 (13 is for sources only) |
| 23:38.12 | mynameisdeleted | ahh.. -H shows powers of 1000 isntead of 1024 |
| 23:38.20 | anathema_ | done another one error Err http://http.us.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Sources |
| 23:38.20 | anathema_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.20 | anathema_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.32 | mynameisdeleted | df -H / shows 6TB exactly |
| 23:38.53 | nsadmin | floogy, right, and those sources seem unrelated to security |
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| 23:39.13 | nsadmin | anathema_, show your sources.list currently |
| 23:39.14 | floogy | hm |
| 23:39.15 | mynameisdeleted | once geometry resizes in the array and I resize2fs I'l have 12TB root |
| 23:39.52 | nsadmin | mynameisdeleted, that will be a bit hard to back up :) |
| 23:40.06 | anathema_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007345/ ok nsadmin |
| 23:40.17 | engla | mynameisdeleted: which filesystem are you using? |
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| 23:40.50 | nsadmin | ooops, got the number wrong... comment line 11 |
| 23:41.01 | themill | anathema_: you probably don't want to have line 10 commented there. |
| 23:41.05 | floogy | anathema, why not commentout 11 too? |
| 23:41.22 | nsadmin | themill, agreed... this is just a test tho |
| 23:42.02 | floogy | http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 23:42.28 | floogy | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 23:42.30 | anathema_ | nsadmin with commented line 11 all works ok now without them |
| 23:42.31 | floogy | deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
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| 23:42.55 | boycottFB | hi |
| 23:42.57 | nsadmin | anathema_, ok, now we go the other way... uncomment line 10 |
| 23:42.57 | floogy | Replace br with the appropriate country code for a mirror near you. |
| 23:43.27 | floogy | or some country code that works ;) |
| 23:43.27 | nsadmin | and try the update again |
| 23:43.38 | boycottFB | is it possible to shrink an ext3 partition? |
| 23:43.44 | boycottFB | (root partition) |
| 23:43.49 | anathema_ | nsadmin, done all ok |
| 23:43.51 | nsadmin | floogy, so now, we've found one of the problems |
| 23:44.15 | nsadmin | anathema_, now uncomment line 14, try again |
| 23:44.24 | floogy | so it was gr? |
| 23:44.34 | nsadmin | (second to last) |
| 23:44.34 | nsadmin | not sure yet |
| 23:44.47 | anathema_ | nsadmin, done ok too :) |
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| 23:44.58 | nsadmin | that's ok? ok, uncomment last line |
| 23:45.05 | engla | boycottFB: yes but not online |
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| 23:45.37 | boycottFB | engla: what do you mean with offline? unmounted? |
| 23:45.40 | anathema_ | nsadmin, ok too |
| 23:45.41 | nsadmin | boycottFB: so you'd have to boot from like a live cd and do it |
| 23:45.43 | engla | boycottFB: exactly |
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| 23:45.57 | nsadmin | anathema_, ok so we know it's not the greek mirror |
| 23:46.05 | nsadmin | show sources.list one more time pls |
| 23:46.05 | engla | possibly you could do it from an initrd or so.. no idea if possible |
| 23:46.50 | ksuhku | boycottFB, http://gparted.org/screens/gparted_10_big.png |
| 23:47.04 | boycottFB | ksuhku: nsadmin: engla: ok, but how can i be sure that the used sectors are not "mixed in the 2 partitions" ? |
| 23:47.07 | anathema_ | nsadmin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007352/ |
| 23:47.12 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 23:47.48 | nsadmin | ok, I would say you're good to go... install your packages you want |
| 23:48.02 | boycottFB | ksuhku: does qtparted move compact the data (like a sort of "defragmentation" ) ? |
| 23:48.04 | anathema_ | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/updates main but this is commented :D |
| 23:48.06 | nsadmin | and remember how we did this |
| 23:48.13 | anathema_ | is that a problem? thanks for the help |
| 23:48.14 | nsadmin | yes |
| 23:48.21 | nsadmin | no, not a problem |
| 23:48.34 | floogy | Ok I renamed casper-rw to casper-rw.ext4 and reboot now, bye |
| 23:48.48 | nsadmin | do you want to build packages from sources? if "not right now", you're good to go :) |
| 23:48.58 | ksuhku | boycottFB, I think parted will take care of making sure the sectors don't overlap |
| 23:49.07 | anathema_ | nsadmin not now thanks for the help |
| 23:49.16 | boycottFB | ksuhku: ok, thanks! |
| 23:49.22 | anathema_ | nsadmin one last question the problem was from me or server's prob? |
| 23:49.23 | nsadmin | see if you can install stuff now |
| 23:49.59 | nsadmin | anathema_, that one line doesn't have what it asked for |
| 23:50.17 | anathema_ | ok |
| 23:50.25 | nsadmin | the line points to "files not exist" |
| 23:50.28 | anathema_ | but yesterday worked like a charm |
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| 23:50.37 | nsadmin | interesting... |
| 23:50.46 | nsadmin | so someone did something :) |
| 23:50.57 | nsadmin | and that someone is not you |
| 23:50.58 | themill | there is no way that sources.list worked yesterday... |
| 23:51.40 | anathema_ | I have not hacked :P |
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| 23:52.26 | anathema_ | because this server is only for LAN without wifi and not ssh etc |
| 23:52.27 | nsadmin | let's not argue :) he's up again, and unless we want to do forensics, it doesn't matter |
| 23:52.57 | anathema_ | but I just want to know what a kind of error was that thanks |
| 23:53.35 | nsadmin | and did you get that answer? |
| 23:53.54 | nsadmin | also, are you able to install? |
| 23:54.12 | anathema_ | nsadmin all ok about the installation, but i was curious what happened to the repos :) |
| 23:55.15 | anathema_ | no np i just told you that yesterday I made updates without any gpg error |
| 23:55.34 | themill | you'll have had 404 errors though |
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| 23:56.38 | anathema_ | yeah the 404 errors Idk what are these... I supposed down repos but Im not sure |
| 23:56.56 | themill | not down, just completely non-existing. |
| 23:57.07 | anathema_ | kk |
| 23:57.45 | anathema_ | i thought that http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source that failed |
| 23:57.48 | anathema_ | existed yesterday :P |
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| 23:58.02 | nsadmin | I see those two lines (now 8 and 9) have some elements in common; I think line 9 could work if the url was http://security.debian.org/ instead of http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 23:58.05 | anathema_ | anyway no problem now just asking |
| 23:58.31 | floogy | hm, the renaming of the casper-rw files to casper-rw.ext4 didn't helped, I think. |
| 23:58.41 | ksuhku | floogy, what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 23:58.45 | nsadmin | since they're next to each other and they have elements in common, I would say they're both related to security |
| 23:58.55 | floogy | casper/rw should be mounted, right_ |
| 23:59.01 | floogy | ? |
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| 23:59.40 | floogy | ksuhku: I want to make my mint usb pendrive peristent |
