| 00:00.08 | dudley | mjmt: Thanks. I'll look into those two |
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| 00:02.18 | dudley | Also, does anyone know of a script I can run in a terminal that will display system stats, similar top, but which includes drive space, network in and out activity |
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| 00:03.10 | nezZario | wow, it doesn't seem to be a single flippnig way to reliably do backups across multiple OS's |
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| 00:03.25 | nezZario | except by letting each target server login to the backup server |
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| 00:03.32 | nezZario | which opens up more issues it seems |
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| 00:04.01 | dudley | Are you looking for an app that works across OS? |
| 00:04.20 | nezZario | just something simple to work across all *nix |
| 00:04.34 | nezZario | i use netbsd and centos and mainly debian |
| 00:04.39 | nezZario | but, i can't neglect the others |
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| 00:05.12 | gnarface | nezZario: amanda, and bacula are popular... but fuck man if you don't even need to back up windows boxes you can write a 20 line bash script using ssh and tar that works better than any 120,000$ site license commercial software (even on mac os x) |
| 00:05.32 | nezZario | yeah i looked at those two but they seem excessive |
| 00:06.04 | gnarface | nezZario: well that was my opinion as well, so i'd recommend you do what i did = learn cron, bash ssh and tar at least well enough for *basic* use and you have everything you need to know |
| 00:06.05 | nezZario | just, in amount of effort required |
| 00:06.12 | kba | rsync beats everything for backup |
| 00:06.14 | nezZario | well, i have a pretty nifty script |
| 00:06.16 | nezZario | one sec |
| 00:06.27 | gnarface | don't paste in channel.... |
| 00:06.45 | nezZario | http://pastebin.com/jGCVCz23 .. it sits ON the backup server, then a script on each server just rsync's it over each run and then ". /runs" with variables set like $server_name |
| 00:06.46 | mjmt | Agreed, rsync |
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| 00:07.01 | gnarface | kba: rsync is alright but if you want to archive say, the last months' worth of backups, you kinda need some bash and tar skills |
| 00:07.10 | nezZario | it works, but i'm very torn on push vs. pull and it does not do incremental backups (yet..) |
| 00:07.35 | kba | gnarface: rsync allows you to make incremental backups, so you can have backup of the last month, but every day's only a few megs |
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| 00:07.46 | kba | like OS X's time machine |
| 00:07.53 | nezZario | yeah it seems like --backup --backup-dir works better than I assumed |
| 00:08.03 | nezZario | i had the functionality backwards |
| 00:08.13 | gnarface | kba: oh? hmm. |
| 00:08.21 | mjmt | Depends where what's being backed up is going, I guess. kba: tar can refresh existing archives. |
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| 00:08.47 | gnarface | nezZario: pull from backup server if your servers are touched by lower-competence users than you. push othersise |
| 00:08.53 | gnarface | nezZario: *otherwise* |
| 00:08.58 | nezZario | tar isn't a great option for me because it seems it's a bunch of waste cpu/disk space/disk io to create the .tar when you can just store the flat files |
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| 00:09.21 | nezZario | IMHO .. i'm just storing these in a remote filesystem.. not using tapes or disks or anything phuysical |
| 00:09.32 | nezZario | not saying .tar's are bad/wrong/incorrect for other purposes |
| 00:09.37 | gnarface | nezZario: well kba's idea of doing incrementals with rsync seems pretty slick actually. as for a cronned bash script and ssh keys though... that part i think you're on the right track with |
| 00:09.41 | dudley | What are you backing up specifically? |
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| 00:09.57 | nezZario | entire servers |
| 00:10.00 | dudley | Sometimes saving flat files is not ideal when you're dealing with 20mb files and such. |
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| 00:10.07 | gnarface | nezZario: i usually operate in environments where disk space is not an issue |
| 00:10.16 | dudley | Tar those. |
| 00:10.27 | gnarface | nezZario: ^^^^ |
| 00:10.35 | dudley | No reason to have flat file names available for anyone to see. |
| 00:11.12 | dudley | Tar because it's neater, and less liability on your part. If a file is missing, you know it wasn't there when you compacted |
| 00:11.25 | dudley | Where as, flat files can be cherry picked. |
| 00:11.29 | nezZario | to tar up a 150GB disk every night is just excessive |
| 00:11.31 | gnarface | nezZario: see, the question at hand is overhead of restoration - if restoring from failure is of high importance, waste a bit of disk space to make it easier to automate fully... if not, eh. feel free to convolute the shit out of it with incremental rsyncing |
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| 00:11.54 | nezZario | well i think rsync is perfect now that I realize how --backup works |
| 00:12.06 | nezZario | since i always have a full, up to date backup available |
| 00:12.19 | nezZario | but, .. if i want to use it because I deleted a file or messed it up, i have incrementals to pull from |
| 00:12.33 | gnarface | nezZario: if 150GB is a lot of data in your environment then... well you already know what to do |
| 00:12.42 | dudley | Hell. Why not do both? |
| 00:12.52 | dudley | Rsync for daily and tar weeks. |
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| 00:13.03 | dudley | or months, or whatever time period you feel? |
| 00:13.15 | zyxelf | hi |
| 00:13.17 | gnarface | scoffs at 150GB |
| 00:13.22 | nezZario | i'm just torn on push/pull really |
| 00:13.47 | gnarface | actually doesn't, but has employers who do and will just buy more disks rather than let me bill for writing more complex backup scripts |
| 00:14.10 | nezZario | i'd prefer the backup server logs into each server but i'm not really OK with one single backup server having _write_ access to 12-15 servers entire fs |
| 00:14.21 | dudley | Well, why are you? Talk it out. |
| 00:14.26 | gnarface | ok so ... push == backup clients log into the backup server to upload backups....and pull == backup server logs into clients |
| 00:14.29 | gnarface | so we're clear |
| 00:14.31 | gnarface | right? |
| 00:14.42 | nezZario | ah well I had those reversed =) |
| 00:14.51 | nezZario | so i'm push'ing right now |
| 00:14.56 | gnarface | in the context of my definition, i favor pull |
| 00:15.04 | zyxelf | has anyone a tv samsung smart? |
| 00:15.06 | nezZario | i do too, sorta |
| 00:15.47 | dudley | Well, why not give the pull server a user that can only write to a temporary folder? |
| 00:15.58 | dudley | Write access does not have to exist on the *entire* fs |
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| 00:16.09 | nezZario | with pull there is no risk of a target server destroying it's own backups (say, a compromised server that was compromised by a angry person who just wants to do harm.. destroys backups then destoys system) .. so +1 on pull there |
| 00:16.14 | gnarface | the only reasons i would see a need to do push are 1) clients may not always be connected at backup time (sales people's laptops) but backing them up ASAP is imperative, or 2) clients are run by equally competent developers/sysadmin staff .... in all other cases i'd ssh key them all and pull |
| 00:16.54 | gnarface | because its less of a security hole that ay |
| 00:16.55 | gnarface | that way |
| 00:17.08 | gnarface | (for the backup server, which is really where all the most sensetive company data goes) |
| 00:17.20 | dudley | Pull would be best, in my eyes. |
| 00:17.28 | nezZario | yes, but like i said i'm not comfortbale with giving the backup server rw access to everything.. what do you mean by a temporary directory? |
| 00:17.34 | nezZario | copy the whole fs tree into /tmp first? |
| 00:18.05 | dudley | Just because you're reading the entire FS does not mean you need write access to the entire FS |
| 00:18.13 | dudley | Read access on /* |
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| 00:18.19 | dudley | Write access ONLY on /tmp |
| 00:18.47 | dudley | Create a user name Maintenance or something of that sort, and give it access to write only the /tmp folder |
| 00:18.58 | nezZario | yes, .. agreed .. but how can I get read access on / and below (100% of data) without complicated setups (someone mentioned something called grsecurity's RBAC) |
| 00:19.19 | nezZario | but i don't want to even begin setting that up on over a dozen servers and it's constantly more servers to be added |
| 00:19.47 | dudley | It's not that hard to provide a user read access on a full file system |
| 00:20.07 | nezZario | do you have anything specific or a specific method? |
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| 00:20.18 | nezZario | I do notice in debian /dev/hddevice is owned by root:disk |
| 00:20.42 | nezZario | not sure if that's helpful on a live system... iirc linux doesn't allow you to double mount things (or is it the other way around?) |
| 00:21.11 | dudley | Write a deployment script that creates a /tmp/maintenance folder, changes owner to maintenance user for read and write permission |
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| 00:21.34 | dudley | Then give the maintenance user read permission on whatever folders you need to pull from. |
| 00:21.46 | dudley | Get that done, and after that you have a nice script to bring all the systems up to speed. |
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| 00:22.01 | gnarface | just uses sudo and pipes tar to stdout over an ssl tunnel |
| 00:22.03 | nezZario | i need to pull from _everything_! |
| 00:22.21 | dudley | Then give that user read on /* |
| 00:22.25 | gnarface | *ssh* tunnel i mean |
| 00:22.41 | nezZario | that would be a bit of a nightmare chmod'ing / and then changing it back.. |
| 00:22.49 | nezZario | or am I missing something? |
| 00:23.12 | dudley | Change Mode and Change Owner are two different things. |
| 00:23.14 | engla | seems to defy the purpose of backup, permissions is one thing you need to restore |
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| 00:23.37 | gnarface | yea uh |
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| 00:23.47 | nezZario | sorry, owner |
| 00:23.55 | dudley | You could do what gnarface suggested |
| 00:24.20 | dudley | To me, that's risky, if the connection is cut, you have an unpackaged system that can still die. |
| 00:24.28 | dudley | It's better to tar, then package. |
| 00:24.41 | dudley | Not tar while the data is on the truck heading to the market. You know? |
| 00:24.58 | gnarface | yea i uh... never rolled this out over a public network |
| 00:25.22 | dudley | Definitely works for home, though. I wrote it down to try out. |
| 00:25.26 | raptor67682 | do you know the command line that teells the CPU use ? |
| 00:25.29 | engla | dudley: what's the difference? there is no complete backup until the whole thing is done regardless |
| 00:25.37 | nezZario | hmm |
| 00:25.45 | gnarface | my script has never been used even on un-certified LANs... uptime in general of the LAN is just assumed |
| 00:25.47 | dudley | engla: At least the data is packaged and ready to be sent |
| 00:25.55 | dudley | raptor67682: use the command "top" |
| 00:26.11 | nezZario | 's head hurts |
| 00:26.18 | nezZario | i've been looking at this too long |
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| 00:26.25 | raptor67682 | dudley: ok. thx |
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| 00:26.33 | gnarface | dudley has a good point... you tar it on the backup target and you got a valid backup even if the connection dies while its happening, you know where to get it |
| 00:26.48 | gnarface | dudley's solution requires /tmp to at least have 100% of the free space of the rest of the disk available though too |
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| 00:26.53 | gnarface | so it falls apart at full servers |
| 00:26.58 | nezZario | i'm gonna just leave it as a push method for now.. if I get time, I can come back to it |
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| 00:27.06 | dudley | nezZario: Take a break, then. I find it's easier to just write out the steps. |
| 00:27.11 | gnarface | nezZario: wanna see a script? |
| 00:27.16 | nezZario | i really do not like it with the push method |
| 00:27.18 | nezZario | sure |
| 00:27.22 | gnarface | stand by |
| 00:27.27 | dudley | Once it's logically sound, then you can move into production. |
| 00:29.16 | gnarface | nezZario: http://paste.debian.net/171474/ |
| 00:29.20 | engla | maybe something like `bup` is better |
| 00:29.22 | nezZario | wish all these systems had LVM |
| 00:29.23 | gnarface | nezZario: config file example coming up |
| 00:29.34 | engla | instead of developing your own backup system, use bup |
| 00:29.57 | gnarface | nezZario: http://paste.debian.net/171475/ (config file example) |
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| 00:30.16 | thewanderer1 | nezZario: just use NFS |
| 00:30.32 | dvs | What's bup, folks? |
| 00:30.38 | dvs | hides |
| 00:30.41 | gnarface | nezZario: that's an older version but i'm too lazy to log into prod to get the updated one. you get the picture though |
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| 00:30.59 | gnarface | nezZario: sorry its not very clean and has really long lines; i use emacs |
| 00:33.23 | nezZario | long lines are fine |
| 00:33.25 | nezZario | & looks cleaner than my mess |
| 00:33.25 | nezZario | :) |
| 00:33.25 | gnarface | nezZario: it requires specifically some implied existence of a backup user with customized sudoer lines which i didn't save |
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| 00:33.25 | jagginess | well this looks interesting for backups http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10things/10-outstanding-linux-backup-utilities/895 |
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| 00:33.25 | nezZario | excuse me if I'm wrong, .. but the backup server would still have rw permission to each backup server though, correct? |
| 00:33.25 | gnarface | nezZario: well that depends largely on the settings in the sudoers file |
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| 00:34.06 | nezZario | it's kind of annoying that there is no built-in ro user |
| 00:34.28 | nezZario | like i tested to see if 'operator' group or any of the special ones just happened to have magic ro access to / and below by default |
| 00:34.34 | gnarface | nezZario: not nearly as annoying as reading the sudoers manpage over and over again until you figure out how to do it safely is |
| 00:34.41 | Jaggz- | sendmsg(9, {msg_name(16)={sin_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr(" attacker's ip here! ")}}, msg_iov(1)=[{"\3\270\201\200\0\1\0\1\0\r\0\1\4ripe\3net\0\0\377\0\1\300"..., 274}], msg_controll |
| 00:34.59 | Jaggz- | what is the "ripe\3net" thing in the dns request? someone was dos attacking us |
| 00:35.28 | gnarface | nezZario: fyi though it can be done with selinux and access groups i think, but my solution never got that complex... it may some day but you know... getting the backups is most important in a production environment... planning for sabotage from employees is a bit more complex |
| 00:35.45 | nezZario | gnarface if you happen to have time to pull a sudero's for me, let me know |
| 00:35.55 | daivdfn | ? |
| 00:36.11 | gnarface | nezZario: yea sorry i only gave you part of the info |
| 00:36.32 | nezZario | also that has the issue that I mentioned before.. a few servers are netbsd which does not have linux acl's or selinux (obviously).. possibly 1:0.99 equiv's but not the same.. |
| 00:36.42 | nezZario | hmm |
| 00:36.51 | nezZario | definately got many new ideas and stuff to play with for the rest of the night |
| 00:37.13 | gnarface | nezZario: and it should go without saying there are also probably better ways to do this... but i was hoping primarily the part where i was piping tar to stdout, over an ssh tunnel, to a waiting tar stdin on the other end, would give you some ideas that may help your script |
| 00:37.36 | nezZario | yeah i think tar might help |
| 00:38.06 | nezZario | if I can force the backup server's user to ONLY have permission to run tar in a way it can not modify files (e.g. run it through a script) .. that might be my key |
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| 00:38.19 | gnarface | nezZario: and the idea here was the tar files would be labeled/named by day, so that in an emergency someone less competent than me (like my bosses) could just grab the right tar file and restore the important data just by extracting it on / |
| 00:38.59 | nezZario | e.g. cmd="/backup/only_tar.sh" in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 00:39.14 | gnarface | nezZario: yea you can basically in sudoers set a command prefix that's only usable by a given user that says something like tar -c [whatever options]* |
| 00:39.16 | gnarface | nezZario: where * is the files |
| 00:39.35 | nezZario | or yeah, sudoers woudl work as well |
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| 00:39.36 | gnarface | nezZario: the tar man page isn't pretty though. i'd recommend reading it carefully *3* times |
| 00:39.37 | nezZario | maybe both |
| 00:39.45 | gnarface | er, i meant sudoers man page |
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| 00:39.49 | gnarface | the tar man page is ... pathetic. |
| 00:39.56 | gnarface | you just have to google that shit |
| 00:40.37 | gnarface | but in sudoers (which you should read 3 times) you can give specific command allowed, and even give those commands specific *options* allowed, and just use wildcard matching to allow different files |
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| 00:40.50 | gnarface | it ain't pretty |
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| 00:41.35 | gnarface | but it has the benefit of having a syntax style where you can define hostnames *and* usernames, so you can theoretically apply the same sudoers to every host even if they have different access restriction requirements |
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| 00:43.59 | raptor67682 | a question. how to fix the locales to have nice view into lfm ? I selected US : en_US |
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| 00:44.28 | raptor67682 | âââââââââââââââââ would have to be sthg nicer |
| 00:44.57 | raptor67682 | same thing for dialog, looking ugly |
| 00:46.52 | themill | that sounds like a font problem not a locales problem |
| 00:47.33 | engla | raptor67682: use a utf-8 locale? |
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| 00:50.23 | raptor67682 | engla: really? utf-8 will display better |
| 00:50.51 | raptor67682 | engla: if I change the local, do I have to restart screen? |
| 00:50.54 | Ugly_Duck | anyone able to help me, http://pastebin.com/rZe2rtk4 i get this error while performing an upgrade |
| 00:51.47 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.59 | dudley | How is the backup solution coming? |
| 00:52.46 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: we need more details, can you pastebin your source.list too? |
| 00:52.57 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: sure |
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| 00:54.17 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: http://pastebin.com/A4cmVAeQ |
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| 00:54.54 | dudley | Jeeze. How can I copy and paste in the console environment? |
| 00:55.14 | nsadmin | dudley, aptitude install gpm |
| 00:55.21 | dudley | I have gpm installed |
| 00:55.28 | raptor67682 | still ugly lfm |
| 00:55.36 | nsadmin | when you move the mouse, do you see movement? |
| 00:55.38 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: just use official mirrors and comment any other out |
| 00:55.42 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.43 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: sure |
| 00:55.49 | dudley | Yes. A block moves as my cursor. |
| 00:56.09 | raptor67682 | I have even restarted screen with ctrl+A :source ~/.screenrc |
| 00:56.17 | nsadmin | dudley, who are you presently logged in as on that console? |
| 00:56.34 | dudley | my normal user: dudley |
| 00:56.55 | nsadmin | (because you don't want to experiment if it's an importan user or has important data) |
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| 00:57.24 | dudley | Just a simple debian minimal install |
| 00:57.25 | nsadmin | try left drag to select and right click to paste |
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| 00:57.37 | dudley | Nothing I can't fix or am afraid to break. |
| 00:57.41 | nsadmin | ok, so you should be safe |
| 00:57.43 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: downloading updates again |
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| 00:58.19 | dudley | Okay, that works. |
| 00:58.28 | nsadmin | there ya go :) |
| 00:58.35 | dudley | nsadmin: Do you know how to copy and paste from irssi to links? |
| 00:59.13 | nsadmin | same way... altho, I have seen cases where you can't select |
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| 00:59.32 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: same error |
| 00:59.52 | Ugly_Duck | http://pastebin.com/ikU02tqH |
| 01:00.02 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: production server? |
| 01:00.07 | dudley | Still giving me a problem. Oh, well. |
| 01:00.08 | nsadmin | dudley, does the same way work for that? |
| 01:00.19 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: yes |
| 01:00.22 | nsadmin | what problem? |
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| 01:03.27 | dudley | nsadmin: No. |
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| 01:04.06 | nsadmin | ok, good enough... so you know, I cannot comment on a problem you don't describe... |
| 01:04.27 | nvz | sure you can, I'll allow it ;) |
| 01:05.16 | nsadmin | If I had a problem.... I'd problem in the mooooorning... |
| 01:05.23 | streuner | that isnt helpful... |
| 01:05.32 | nsadmin | of course not |
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| 01:05.55 | streuner | (the comment from nvz) |
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| 01:08.18 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: to tell yo the truth, thats a PITA, you have to just install what is in squeeze... |
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| 01:09.40 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
| 01:10.01 | Ugly_Duck | once i fixed that, seems to install ok, but i thought it was something to do with the script stopping mysql, but i was wrong |
| 01:10.35 | nsadmin | dudley, if you want to, you could describe the behavior you're getting... one thing, if you paste into irssi something that has newlines, it will "flood" it... you may wish to install libapp-nopaste-perl and pipe stuff to nopaste instead |
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| 01:16.12 | dudley | Can you try it out on your system? |
| 01:16.44 | dudley | On links, I cannot even select text on a page to begin with to copy and paste |
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| 01:26.16 | raptor67682 | by the way, pastebinit does not work any longer into debian stable |
| 01:26.17 | raptor67682 | THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
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| 01:29.04 | nutron | is rsyslog still the new "cool" way to handle syslog? |
| 01:29.18 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 01:29.32 | nutron | or is there another replacement? I vaguely remember reading that something new is better at handling remote and local logging |
| 01:30.49 | thewanderer1 | no :P |
| 01:31.32 | thewanderer1 | systemd has a new logger replacement, but it is very likely not to be feature complete, and it doesn't use the syslog protocol (breaking compatibility has been fashionable as of late) |
| 01:34.01 | mjmt | Is it true systemd or similar is going to have a binary log format? |
| 01:34.33 | thewanderer1 | ask #systemd :P |
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| 01:35.07 | mjmt | You join #systemd. |
| 01:35.17 | mjmt | Oh hey while you're there, ask my question. |
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| 01:39.20 | SirCmpwn | I'm trying to enable mod_rewrite in apache2 on ubuntu server |
| 01:39.28 | SirCmpwn | apache 2.2 |
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| 01:41.04 | SirCmpwn | I found rewrite.load, but running it give me permission denied (even as root) |
| 01:41.14 | jetscreamer | #ubuntu |
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| 01:45.48 | mhall119 | SirCmpwn: if you don't mind me asking, how did you end up in #debian asking about ubuntu? |
| 01:46.04 | SirCmpwn | ubuntu == debian + frills |
| 01:46.16 | SirCmpwn | and the apache2 configuration is the same on both |
| 01:46.30 | mhall119 | it's more than just frills |
| 01:46.46 | SirCmpwn | well, more important than frills, apache2 is configured the same way |
| 01:47.01 | mhall119 | there's enough of a divergence in some packages that advice that works on debian isn't guaranteed to work on ubuntu |
| 01:47.12 | SirCmpwn | mk |
| 01:47.18 | mhall119 | but, why did you ask here and not #ubuntu? |
| 01:47.32 | SirCmpwn | was sent here from #httpd |
| 01:47.42 | mhall119 | ah, ok |
| 01:47.47 | SirCmpwn | seems reasonable to ask here, so I did |
| 01:47.47 | mhall119 | and they knew you were running ubuntu? |
| 01:47.51 | SirCmpwn | yep |
| 01:48.26 | mhall119 | well #ubuntu or even #ubuntu-server will be able to give you the most reliable advice |
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| 01:48.45 | SirCmpwn | yep, I talked to them |
| 01:49.42 | mhall119 | cool |
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| 01:58.46 | r3m | Hi, im reading a book for a certification, i note some command in a file, i would like to provide this list to a program that will ask me those question, of course i would adapt the questions.txt to make it work with the program. Anybody know a program that do that? |
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| 02:01.02 | parcs` | is there a package that provides the latest version of adobe flash player |
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| 02:02.52 | linkedinyou | hello i am trying to add a port to the iptable and did not find the /var/lib/iptables. can anyone please guide me to the iptable file |
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| 02:03.12 | mjmt | parcs`: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:03.30 | parcs` | mjmt: is that the latest version? the package hasn't been updated since 2008 it seems |
| 02:03.54 | parcs` | well since 2010 |
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| 02:04.46 | Dr_GIM | I read an article on CNET that was saying that adobe has dropped linux... so that might explain that? |
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| 02:05.00 | parcs` | yeah linux was dropped this year |
| 02:05.18 | Dr_GIM | too bad really, linux is the future |
| 02:05.41 | mjmt | parcs`: No idea. You can trick it to install the latest though, it asks if it's already downloaded IIRC. |
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| 02:05.57 | mjmt | ("It" being the debian package.) |
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| 02:06.12 | RBV | Isn't there a player built into Chromium or is that only Chrome? |
| 02:06.34 | mazzanet | speaking of chromium |
| 02:06.44 | parcs` | mjmt: hmm i guess it's worth a try |
| 02:06.59 | dudley | Flash is not an issue for most people on Linux |
| 02:07.10 | mazzanet | why is there only an armhf port of chromium in testing? |
| 02:07.34 | dudley | Browsers are adopting HTML5 with built in video decoders, and Javascript and CSS3 is providing the tools needed to move SVG graphics |
| 02:07.56 | linkedinyou | hello i am trying to add a port to the iptable and did not find the /var/lib/iptables. can anyone please guide me to the iptable file |
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| 02:08.08 | parcs` | yeah but i like watching illegally-streamed things in the entertainment section of justin.tv :) |
| 02:08.36 | engla | dudley: unfortunately youtube forces flash for ads on lots and lots of videos |
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| 02:10.50 | parcs` | flashplugin-nonfree indeed downloads the latest version of the flash player |
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| 02:12.10 | mjmt | Adobe Issues Final Linux Flash Player Release: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4MDQ |
| 02:12.58 | mjmt | I'm confused whether other browsers can implement "Pepper API". |
| 02:13.03 | mjmt | Not really the channel for it though, sorry. |
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| 02:22.56 | koobs` | hmm, anyone know where i can find the current listen backlog value for listening sockets? |
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| 02:27.10 | [HaldriK] | Hi |
| 02:27.11 | [HaldriK] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:32.08 | zyxelf | hi |
| 02:32.18 | zyxelf | can you help me with terminal? |
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| 02:38.14 | linkedinyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.15 | linkedinyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.15 | linkedinyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.15 | dpkg | linkedinyou: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:38.26 | linkedinyou | what that mean |
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| 02:39.18 | nacimep | whoah what happened to my debian desktop now its all like goofy |
| 02:39.44 | nacimep | gnome update or somthing |
| 02:39.58 | nacimep | its strange and foriegn |
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| 02:42.51 | zyxelf | can you help? |
| 02:44.16 | anlarye | zyxelf: just ask your question, if someone is able to help they will ... dont ask if you can ask a question .... just ask the question |
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| 02:44.59 | zyxelf | i need help to access directory |
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| 02:45.14 | zyxelf | i tried chmod 777 |
| 02:45.31 | zyxelf | but don't works |
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| 02:45.51 | nacimep | hm |
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| 02:46.36 | nacimep | -R for recursive? |
| 02:46.45 | RBV | zyxelf: what is 'don't works' |
| 02:46.46 | zyxelf | ok |
| 02:46.53 | zyxelf | it wroks |
| 02:46.57 | zyxelf | :D |
| 02:47.01 | nacimep | yeah "dont work" is kind of generic |
| 02:47.18 | nacimep | need to be as speciffic as posible |
| 02:47.30 | zyxelf | done! |
| 02:47.32 | zyxelf | thanks |
| 02:47.39 | nacimep | 777 isnt the best permission scheme |
| 02:47.44 | zyxelf | chmod 777 /.. |
| 02:47.54 | nacimep | i like to chown |
| 02:48.12 | nacimep | change ownership from say root to my user |
| 02:49.03 | nacimep | lul |
| 02:49.47 | nacimep | been here 10 min and already helped somone (successfully i might add) i deserve a cookie |
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| 02:50.12 | dvs | nope |
| 02:50.15 | dvs | !nacimep |
| 02:50.22 | dvs | !beer nacimep |
| 02:50.22 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for nacimep |
| 02:50.53 | nacimep | back to cleaning my room |
| 02:51.12 | nacimep | i can actually see my desk now |
| 02:51.43 | mazzanet | is there was way to list all the packages in armel and armhf? |
| 02:52.11 | nsadmin | probably you can parse the file of them |
| 02:52.32 | nacimep | smells a raspberry pi |
| 02:53.00 | mazzanet | beagle xm actually :P |
| 02:53.16 | nacimep | heh |
| 02:53.18 | mazzanet | currently running testing armel |
| 02:53.29 | mazzanet | but the packages seem a little outdated? |
| 02:53.34 | nsadmin | zyxelf, careful with that kinda stuff... you can hurt your systen :) |
| 02:54.02 | nsadmin | you mean wheezy? |
| 02:54.37 | mazzanet | wheezy/testing whatever |
| 02:54.51 | nsadmin | mazzanet, new software can have bugs... and, can be tested, fixed etc... old software can alos have bugs, be tested, fixed, etc |
| 02:54.53 | nacimep | too old to be playing with toys |
| 02:55.32 | mazzanet | armhf on the other hand seems to have more recent versions |
| 02:55.45 | mazzanet | but at the same time completely missing others |
| 02:56.02 | nsadmin | this gorgeous brunette singer just told me she plays video games... and I OMG let's play |
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| 02:58.04 | nsadmin | mazzanet, for spot curiousities, you can aptitude why pkg (or why not) |
| 02:58.50 | nsadmin | mazzanet, if the two archs are pretty far apart, it could mean some package can't be built? |
| 02:58.59 | nsadmin | packages |
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| 03:02.08 | mazzanet | nsadmin: i want to straight up list all the available packages in each? |
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| 03:03.42 | joobie | hey guys.. can anyone suggest a good way to get a file from siteA to siteB securely? I don't want to go to the extent of establishing a VPN between both sites - trying to do this with minimal effort but retaining security |
| 03:04.11 | joobie | i was thinking about GPG'ing the file and then sending it over email.. not sure if GPG is still considered secure and if so, if it's a good way |
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| 03:04.40 | mazzanet | what's wrong with ssh? |
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| 03:04.44 | LtL | joobie: scp |
| 03:05.23 | LtL | joobie: gpg is secure as your passphrase |
| 03:05.46 | joobie | LtL, trying to avoid SCP as tehre is no SSHD at either site.. |
| 03:06.00 | nsadmin | well, secure as passphrase+privKey |
| 03:06.09 | mazzanet | ... |
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| 03:06.26 | joobie | is GPG a good option? I mean the level of security is equivilent to SCP right? |
| 03:06.34 | engla | joobie: sure, gpg is secure. it can encrypt symmetrically as well |
| 03:06.38 | LtL | joobie: is the remote machine within physical reach? use pscp.exe from the remote |
| 03:06.46 | nsadmin | sure, why not.. but how will you get the file to the machine? |
| 03:07.44 | nsadmin | if not sshd, then what is running on the remote to let you transfer files? and if sshd is not running on the local, is the local your machine? care to put it on there? |
| 03:07.57 | joobie | nsadmin, was thinking of just GPG'ing the file and then emailing it over |
| 03:08.04 | joobie | as an attachmnet |
| 03:08.11 | nsadmin | oh, so there's an email server |
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| 03:08.24 | nsadmin | well... sure, why not :) |
| 03:08.31 | nsadmin | it's a way to do it |
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| 03:08.40 | joobie | yes, but if it's GPG encrypted (the attachment) there's no lowering of security given it goes via email still, right? |
| 03:09.03 | LtL | joobie: gpg is bulletproof, email it |
| 03:09.17 | nsadmin | joobie, perhaps you're exposing the encrypted file to the world, yes... |
| 03:09.18 | joobie | GPG just the attachment |
| 03:09.21 | joobie | or the entire email message? |
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| 03:09.32 | nsadmin | either is fine |
| 03:09.59 | joobie | but if the encrypted file is exposed to the world.. i guess worst case, it would take multiple computers 10's of years to decrypt it yes? |
| 03:10.00 | nsadmin | gpg the file you want to send, and then attach it |
| 03:10.03 | joobie | much like a snapshot of a single SSH stream |
| 03:10.17 | nsadmin | joobie, yes |
| 03:10.36 | nsadmin | is the remote yours? |
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| 03:11.28 | RBV | nsadmin: Windows systems is what he said in #centos |
| 03:12.17 | nsadmin | once you do this, and once you send more files, you might decide, "oh, ok, this is easy/convenient" or, not |
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| 03:12.39 | joobie | nsadmin, yes |
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| 03:13.15 | nsadmin | I'm assuming it's debian since you're here... you can always aptitude nstall openssh-server |
| 03:13.23 | nsadmin | RBV, thanks |
| 03:13.42 | joobie | nsadmin, it's not debian |
| 03:13.47 | joobie | it's windows to windows |
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| 03:13.56 | sinorev | sup all |
| 03:14.14 | nsadmin | hmm, ok. so, I'll add to your list of information sources by mentioning #windows |
| 03:14.19 | sinorev | I figured out the custom kernel issue I had last night |
| 03:14.37 | nsadmin | good :) |
| 03:15.11 | sinorev | for some strange reason, creating a new initramfs for said kernel got debian to boot with it. It makes no sense, as my raid metadata is set to 0.90, and all essential drivers (filesystem, SATA, RAID) are compiled into the kernel |
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| 03:15.58 | sinorev | i.e. this same kernel config worked with no initramfs in Arch Linux -- strange thing is, I was just experimenting, so I created the initramfs with no config, ran update-initramfs -u, then rebooted just to see what would happen. Sure enough, everything worked :S |
| 03:16.12 | sinorev | might be due to the messaging hooks in Squeeze? I dunno. |
| 03:17.17 | nsadmin | joobie, and, thanks for being open/honest |
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| 03:17.54 | joobie | nsadmin, no worries |
| 03:17.56 | joobie | thanks for the help |
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| 03:18.50 | nsadmin | sinorev, are you trying to accomplish something that's not possible with the available kernel(s)? |
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| 03:19.55 | linkedinyou | hello i am trying to add a port to the iptable and did not find the /var/lib/iptables. can anyone please guide me to the iptable file |
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| 03:20.16 | sinorev | well, for one, I wanted the latest version of the RaLink wifi drivers, and I also wanted the latest i915 supported framebuffer code |
| 03:20.48 | sinorev | last but not least, I set my kernels up lean, so they have most of the stuff that my system needs compiled in or as a module (when applicable) |
| 03:21.54 | nsadmin | sinorev, if you like you can do the actual build using make-kpkg or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 03:22.12 | nsadmin | you get a nice package you can install |
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| 03:22.44 | sinorev | nsadmin: is this with the stock kernel, or with any kernel source? |
| 03:23.08 | nsadmin | so far when I've used it on outside source, worked fine |
| 03:23.14 | sinorev | O___o |
| 03:23.16 | sinorev | impressive. |
| 03:23.29 | nsadmin | I was impressed as well |
| 03:23.40 | sinorev | now I will have to try that |
| 03:24.10 | nsadmin | one thing I found, is there was some kind of version problem until I got rid of the debian dir (which make-kpkg generates) |
| 03:25.01 | nsadmin | if you leave it in, then things in certain files have to match, and I never looked into that |
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| 03:38.11 | Cogito | Hi everyone. Having a weird issue with Network Manager in KDE on latest Testing. When I connect using the Network Manager to a VPN it seems like DNS isn't set up correctly. using vpnc from the command line seems to work fine. Any ideas for further investigation? |
| 03:39.11 | Cogito | This has happened on two seperate vpns now, so I figure something is up. One was configured automatically from an imported pcf, the other was set up semi-manually. |
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| 04:16.08 | dudley | Cogito: File a bug with instructions to reproduce the issue |
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| 04:17.26 | gulzar | anyone using httrack? I want download different-link pages in the same folder. But when 2nd page is downloaded it removes the first.. and 3rd removes 1st and 2nd. Any way to have all the downloaded pages in one folder? |
| 04:21.40 | Cogito | dudley: I can see what I can do, however not sure how dependent it is on having a similar vpn to connect to - will investigate |
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| 04:38.06 | Vasistha | my .xsession-errors file is getting huge and eating up hard drive space. There are zillions have calls to open: No such file or directory |
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| 04:46.31 | simonlnu | it should get zeroed out every time you restart your session. as for the NSFoD, *what* is doing that? `touch` a file or something. |
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| 04:58.13 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... how can i manage services in debian ( like inittab in fedora/redhat ) ? |
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| 05:00.22 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: /etc/rcN.d/ where N is the runlevel (usually 3), contains links to scripts under /etc/init.d/. They're usually modified with the update-rc.d command. |
| 05:01.31 | cobra-the-joker | mjmt, confused .. |
| 05:02.37 | zophy | cobra-the-joker, there's a nice little description --> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-manage-services-with-update-rc.d |
| 05:02.44 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: man update-rc.d |
| 05:02.58 | cobra-the-joker | aha thats more like ...ty |
| 05:03.00 | mjmt | If that's too confusing, you possibly shouldn't be using it. |
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| 05:03.31 | Vasistha | simonlnu: it looks like there are almost 100 of theses 'open: No such file or directory' every second |
| 05:03.40 | zophy | mjmt, my mom said that about my junk |
| 05:03.45 | Vasistha | simonlnu: I'm not sure how to trace it |
| 05:04.05 | mjmt | zophy: Being a hermaphrodite has gotta be confusing. |
| 05:04.07 | Vasistha | simonlnu: maybe some gui component, window decoration, something? |
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| 05:13.41 | mjmt | Hmm, have I been in runlevel 2 for years and not even noticed? I must be confusing Debian with Redhat. |
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| 05:15.42 | cobra-the-joker | mjmt, K01 .. means first kernel module ? |
| 05:16.39 | mjmt | cobra-the-joker: No that means kill that service upon entering the runlevel. 01 is for ordering, so that'd be killed before say K20foo. |
| 05:17.06 | cobra-the-joker | hmmm ok |
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| 05:22.55 | Vasistha | mjmt: debian doesn't really use runlevels in any meaningful way. By default, 2,3,4,5 are all configured identically. |
| 05:23.23 | Vasistha | mjmt: it's kind of a shame, I think redhat's use of them is nifty and worth imitating |
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| 05:30.37 | mjmt | Vasistha: Thanks. (Can't believe I never noticed.) Redhat's is/was 2 only runs unattended services, 3, those plus an X display. Kind of antiquated now though. |
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| 05:31.31 | phogg | mjmt: if you like it you can customize yours to be like that |
| 05:31.44 | mjmt | I mean plenty of people spawn new X displays for gaming, some only startx as needed. I have :1 for our TV. |
| 05:32.04 | phogg | I normally boot to 2, which is everything, but I keep 3 for a "minimal" system in case I ever want just the essentials |
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| 05:32.16 | dudley | I only startx if I need to do something with a GUI |
| 05:32.19 | mjmt | phogg: Hmm, worth thinking about. |
| 05:32.22 | RupertPupkin | Hi. I have a couple of questions about migrating to Debian from CentOS. Could someone help me out please? |
| 05:32.35 | dudley | RupertPupkin: What are you asking specifically. |
| 05:33.13 | phogg | mjmt: sometimes it's convenient to be able to say "I need to maximize resources to make gameplay smooth! Let me telinit 4, then when I'm done I'll telinit 2 to bring my apache and postgres back so I can get back to coding" |
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| 05:33.32 | mjmt | "maintenance mode"'s usually good enough for me for that though, for the odd fsck and such. |
| 05:33.35 | RupertPupkin | dudley, I am going to use the netinst installer to install Debian Stable. But my usb sound card is likely to not work (from past experience). Is it possible to upgrade to a newer kernel? |
| 05:34.09 | RupertPupkin | Hopefully the newer kernel would have the drivers to support the usb sound card. |
| 05:34.20 | dudley | Well, what USB soundcard do you have? |
| 05:34.28 | RupertPupkin | C-Media |
| 05:34.36 | dudley | And what did you do in CentOS to get it to work? Furthermore, why the switch to Debian? |
| 05:34.50 | RupertPupkin | It works out of the box in CentOs. |
| 05:35.14 | phogg | RupertPupkin: is the kernel you want to switch to available in Debian? Is the sound card supported by adding firmware or something from non-free? |
| 05:35.22 | RupertPupkin | I want to switch to Debian because of the easier availability of packages. CentOS has lots of dependency issues in trying to get newer packages to work. |
| 05:35.59 | dudley | What is your specific sound card's model number? |
| 05:36.09 | RupertPupkin | phogg, That's what I am hoping. I'm not entirely sure though. My current CentOS kernel is 2.6.32-220.17.1.el6.i686 |
| 05:36.09 | dudley | Is it for music production or something of that sort? |
| 05:36.23 | somiaj | RupertPupkin: you do understand how debian stable is a frozen system. To ensure you have a stable core system make sure you are careful how you install 'newer' packages. But yes you can get a new kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 05:36.27 | somiaj | !backports |
| 05:36.28 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:36.35 | RupertPupkin | Hmm. I'm going to have to look it up on Amazon for the exact model number. |
| 05:36.59 | phogg | RupertPupkin: rhat has a lot of backports, but they also are less strict about non-free firmware/drivers. You might try checking non-free first and see if it has something for that card, then upgrade if necessary. |
| 05:37.06 | somiaj | but if you konw it works with a newer kernel, installing a 3.2 kernel from backports isn't hard (you just won't have the security team fixing it if a known exploit is found) |
| 05:37.22 | peterrooney | RupertPupkin: make-kpkg makes it easy to compile newer kernels and present them in bog-standard debian packages |
| 05:37.24 | RupertPupkin | So I can change to debian testing from stable without reinstalling? |
| 05:37.44 | phogg | RupertPupkin: yes, but it's not recommended for production systems |
| 05:37.45 | somiaj | you can upgrade to testing, but I would strong recomend not doing that until you get familar with debian first |
| 05:37.53 | peterrooney | RupertPupkin: yes, but why would you want to? |
| 05:37.58 | somiaj | testing can be a bit buggy to get working. Use backports |
| 05:38.04 | RupertPupkin | I'd love to try it phogg but is there a Debian LiveCD with non-free firmware ? |
| 05:38.08 | phogg | RupertPupkin: I have some boxes which were installed with debian potato over a decade ago... still tracking stable. |
| 05:38.09 | RupertPupkin | I couldn't find it. |
| 05:38.22 | RupertPupkin | peterrooney, Mainly for newer packages. |
| 05:38.35 | phogg | RupertPupkin: I believe so, but I don't have the link. Is it necessary to have the sound card working from the livecd? |
| 05:39.06 | RupertPupkin | Well, if it works with the LiveCD , then I can be reasonably sure of it working with the installed system too, right? |
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| 05:39.36 | Cultist | yeah |
| 05:39.45 | phogg | RupertPupkin: the livecd is not sure to have everything installed. Better to get any old livecd and modify the sources.list, then install whatever you want to try. |
| 05:40.28 | RupertPupkin | Another reason for switching is that CentOS is giving me a few issues now. I installed a lot of files manually from pkgs dot org and now it takes ages to boot up after I click the login screen. |
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| 05:40.59 | RupertPupkin | phogg, That sounds pretty cool. Can I find links to download the old livecd from debian dot org? |
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| 05:41.10 | gohkesh | No |
| 05:41.14 | Vasistha | mjmt: there are situations where I would like to boot up a computer quickly for a specific task, and being able to manually input an appropriate runlevel based on the present desired task(s) is great |
| 05:43.07 | RupertPupkin | So is it possible to upgrade to Debian 6 by installing Debian 5 from the LiveCD on my system, without having to reinstall? |
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| 05:44.16 | gohkesh | No u have to download and reinstall the whole shit again |
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| 05:44.52 | RupertPupkin | Damn. |
| 05:45.53 | RupertPupkin | But phogg you said that I can install the old stable , edit the sources , and upgrade to the newer stable right? |
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| 05:48.30 | gohkesh | Phogg trolled you |
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| 05:53.48 | RupertPupkin | Right thanks gohkesh <Added to IGNORE list> Do something fruitful to improve conditions in your country instead of getting cheap kicks like this. Irresponsible douche. |
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| 06:06.53 | gohkesh | Wb tralala |
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| 06:07.06 | dudley | RupertPupkin: I stepped away. What was the plan so far for you? |
| 06:07.40 | tralala | gohkesh, why thank you |
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| 06:08.34 | RupertPupkin | Hi dudley I am wondering if Debian 5 stable LiveCD comes preinstalled with nonfree firmware |
| 06:09.00 | dudley | It does not. |
| 06:09.09 | dudley | You have to enable the repository, and then install the firmware. |
| 06:09.34 | dudley | Run the LiveCD and check it out. |
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| 06:09.57 | dudley | It will let you know what it needs if it's in the nonfree repo. It's a simple couple of clicks and it's installed and running. |
| 06:10.31 | gohkesh | Lem if u didnt find it tell me to google it for u |
| 06:10.46 | somiaj | RupertPupkin: do you mean debian 6, debian 5 (lenny) is no longer supported or has security fixes |
| 06:10.55 | somiaj | also debian 5 I dont' think had the firmware seperarated as it does in 6 |
| 06:11.02 | gohkesh | Oh i got the wrong chan |
| 06:12.11 | dudley | somiaj is right. Don't install lenny. Go with the latest. Is there a reason why you would choose lenny over squeeze? |
| 06:12.14 | emss | hello |
| 06:12.22 | RupertPupkin | Right yeah. That's my concern. Debian 6 LiveCD doesn't come with nonfree firmware, but 5 does. |
| 06:12.38 | emss | anyone know why du -h * and ls -lh * would print two different sizes for the same files? |
| 06:12.49 | somiaj | that is because the kernels were 'liberated' in the versions, but non-free repos are easy to use, they just require a small extra step to add |
| 06:12.57 | RupertPupkin | And my system needs nonfree firmware for wireless and stuff. So the only reason for choosing 5 is for the nonfree in LiveCD. |
| 06:13.36 | somiaj | RupertPupkin: that is an issue I hope they make smoother in wheezy with so many wifi requrining non-free firmware. My suggestion is grab a copy of the deb from packages.debian.org and just copy it over and install it on the live system |
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| 06:13.48 | RupertPupkin | But this is a laptop and I don't have physical access to a wired network. So how do I add the repo when I don't have internet? |
| 06:14.20 | emss | you don't? |
| 06:14.34 | somiaj | you will have to copy over the the deb to the system somehow. my live usb stick has a second partition on it I put a copy of the firwmare I need |
| 06:14.40 | emss | connect to a wired network ... or download the packages on another machine and transfer them ... |
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| 06:14.47 | RupertPupkin | It's weird but I tried that somiaj . I put the nonfree in a usb and tried pointing it but it wasn't recognizing. |
| 06:15.01 | dudley | Rupert, you don't point to the dbe |
| 06:15.02 | dudley | deb* |
| 06:15.08 | dudley | you can run the deb, and it will install |
| 06:15.14 | somiaj | RupertPupkin: the non free what? you just install the deb with dpkg -i firmare-foo.deb |
| 06:15.16 | RupertPupkin | I mean the folder where it is .. |
| 06:15.27 | dudley | or you and unpack the deb, since it's a zip basically and copy the firmware to /lib/firmware |
| 06:15.44 | somiaj | you will have to modprobe -r foo && modprobe foo |
| 06:15.56 | somiaj | where foo is the module that requires to the firmware to see it after you install it |
| 06:16.14 | somiaj | (yes it is a slight pain and I really hope they clean this up with wheezy, but I haven't seen anything on this subject) |
| 06:16.46 | RupertPupkin | The only alternative to this that I found was the unofficial netinst images that come preinstalled with nonfree. |
| 06:16.59 | somiaj | correct |
| 06:17.26 | dudley | I wouldn't use an unofficial ISO ever |
| 06:17.47 | RupertPupkin | Hmm good point |
| 06:18.06 | dudley | Wait. |
| 06:18.26 | dudley | If you're using a netinst installer... aren't you going to have access to the internet in someway? |
| 06:18.31 | dudley | Or are you just aiming for a minimal base? |
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| 06:19.02 | somiaj | I thought he was talking about a livecd |
| 06:19.29 | dudley | We suggested the LiveCD to prove that debian can utilize his USB sound device. |
| 06:19.42 | somiaj | but yes with a netinstaller my suggestion is 1) install the minimial base system (Skip the network part), 2) copy over the firmware debs (and possibally wpasupplicant deb) and get your network up, 3) finish the install by rerunning taskel or installing the packages you want |
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| 06:20.00 | RupertPupkin | Yeah. I can use my wireless card with the netinst. |
| 06:20.05 | dudley | But since he's picking the netinst, he can just enable the nonfree repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:20.14 | dudley | And do everything all at once. |
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| 06:20.34 | dudley | Which desktop evironment are you shooting for, pre tell? |
| 06:20.37 | RupertPupkin | So .. don't use the nonfree-firmware included unofficial netinst images? |
| 06:20.38 | somiaj | he'll stll have to copy over the firmware |
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| 06:20.42 | RupertPupkin | Gnome 2 |
| 06:20.45 | somiaj | !kmuto |
| 06:20.46 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 06:20.57 | somiaj | RupertPupkin: ^^ I don't ues those, but I hear people use them just fine, use them if you want. |
| 06:21.39 | somiaj | I just told you the method I used on all the laptops I installed deban on with non-free firmware on wifi |
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| 06:22.51 | RupertPupkin | Thanks somiaj I'll check it out |
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| 06:25.30 | RupertPupkin | Is there a way to check if the latest kernel (3.2~) in debian has support for C-Media usb sound cards? |
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| 06:27.50 | nvz | RupertPupkin: i never tried doing it for a usb device, but Kenshi Muto has a debian hardware compatibilty thing you put PCIIDs into and look em up.. there are also USB ids on USB devices.. |
| 06:29.15 | RupertPupkin | Thanks nvz I'm checking it out now |
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| 06:30.14 | emss | lspci, lsusb |
| 06:30.43 | RupertPupkin | I feel exhausted when trying to sort out all issues and install Debian and get everything working :( |
| 06:32.40 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is Apache 2.4 already available in testing? |
| 06:32.46 | peterrooney | !hcl |
| 06:32.47 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 06:33.15 | RupertPupkin | Hmm. lspci -n doesn't list the usb sound card .. |
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| 06:33.38 | nvz | RupertPupkin: because its not on the pci bus.. use lsusb |
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| 06:34.24 | nvz | RupertPupkin: according to the factoid peterrooney called up the hcl only does pci stuff anyhow.. but you can still google the lsusb info with the word linux |
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| 06:34.46 | nvz | which is how I've checked compatibility long before the hcl |
| 06:34.53 | RupertPupkin | But Kenshi Muto's hardware compatibility page wants me to enter lspci -n .. |
| 06:34.55 | RupertPupkin | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 06:35.18 | nvz | RupertPupkin: it was just a thought.. I wasnt sure if it could also handle USB ids or not |
| 06:35.40 | RupertPupkin | ah |
| 06:35.54 | nvz | RupertPupkin: another thought would be to check the alsa project website as they maintain a compatibility list |
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| 06:36.27 | nvz | since thats the sound framework in the linux kernel, if alsa supports it, then linux supports it |
| 06:36.57 | RupertPupkin | hmm. it works fine on alsa on almost every other distro except debian :( |
| 06:37.13 | nvz | RupertPupkin: might just need a newer version of ALSA then |
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| 06:37.39 | nvz | there are also other sound frameworks aside from ALSA |
| 06:37.58 | seravitae | hi, im a little confused here. trying to setup sshd on my server at home to be key-only access, and get keys for my work machine. |
| 06:38.21 | seravitae | im on the client/work machine now, and run ssh-keygen, got my RSA key on the client machine |
| 06:38.29 | nvz | seravitae: you turn off the use pam stuff in the config to prevent use of password logins |
| 06:38.36 | seravitae | yeah i've modified the sshd config |
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| 06:38.55 | seravitae | what exactly do I do with this key i generated on the work/client box? can i put it on a memory stick, take it home, stuff it into sshd key file and that's it? |
| 06:39.11 | nvz | seravitae: as for the keys, you generate on the client side, copy the pub key to the server then cat key.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys where ~/ is the home of the user you want to be able to use that key |
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| 06:39.42 | g0dfrey | I have trouble with GRE Tunnel and can anyone help me? |
| 06:39.46 | nvz | seravitae: after its in the authorized_keys file, that user will login automatically using the key |
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| 06:40.02 | g0dfrey | The problem is similar to this one:http://www.linuxforums.org.sixxs.org/forum/networking/177353-cant-ping-through-gre-tunnel.html |
| 06:40.06 | RupertPupkin | yeah , possibly. would installing a newer kernel or upgrading stable to testing automatically install a newer alsa? |
| 06:40.18 | seravitae | nvz - ah, great, okay, ill run home now with the keyfile. also the server might have dynamic IP address, there's no linking in the key to the hostname is there? |
| 06:40.59 | nvz | RupertPupkin: well ALSA is one part kernel one part userland.. so no.. not really.. but then again it all depends on what exactly is snagging the compatibility.. could be something as simple as a kernel driver not listing the ID for that card to be claimed by a driver |
| 06:41.39 | nvz | RupertPupkin: again, the alsa project website would likely clue you in further, and once you know either by that or by examining a distro its known to work on and what kernel/alsa version that uses, then maybe we could help you get a backport or something |
| 06:42.07 | nvz | seravitae: no, the dynamic IP will not affect it |
| 06:42.18 | g0dfrey | the traffic is coming back to the GRE interface but not to the ping program,so can anyone help? |
| 06:42.58 | seravitae | nvz: okay great.looks like im on my way home then.. thanks. |
| 06:43.10 | dudley | RupertPupkin: What's the issue now? |
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| 06:43.44 | nvz | dudley: seems the same as last you commented on it, trying to determine how to get this USB sound card to work in debian or find out if it will work |
| 06:43.57 | RupertPupkin | nvz, dudley I was asking whether installing a newer kernel / upgrading stable to testing would automatically install a newer version of alsa and nvz was helping me out with that |
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| 06:44.40 | RupertPupkin | What do you guys think about Linux Mint Debian? Everything works out of the box for me and I'm thinking .. for convenience sake why not install it |
| 06:44.44 | nvz | ,versions alsa-base |
| 06:44.45 | judd | Package: alsa-base on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1.0.23+dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.25+2 |
| 06:45.07 | dudley | Mint pulls from Ubuntu, which pulls from Debian |
| 06:45.18 | dudley | That's a lot of middle man to get the same product. |
| 06:45.35 | tensorpudding | i think the mint debian edition takes a different route, but that's not on-topic here |
| 06:45.38 | RupertPupkin | No .. I meant Linux Mint Debian |
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| 06:45.48 | RupertPupkin | Which is based on Debian Testing |
| 06:46.04 | tralala | there's no such thing |
| 06:46.07 | dudley | Wait. Why do you need the sound working out of the box? |
| 06:46.21 | dudley | Why not install it later as if it were a driver, akin to Windows? |
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| 06:46.46 | RupertPupkin | I haven't found a c-media driver for linux |
| 06:47.00 | dudley | What's your particular model number for that device? |
| 06:47.10 | RupertPupkin | 1 sex |
| 06:47.13 | RupertPupkin | *sec |
| 06:47.30 | nvz | ah.. I was about to say, if we're going for sex, I'll take two.. heh |
| 06:47.41 | gohkesh | Join #sex |
| 06:48.00 | RupertPupkin | hehe |
| 06:48.01 | nvz | not sure I even want to know if that channel exists |
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| 06:49.01 | RupertPupkin | it's the "Syba SD-CM-UAUD USB Stereo Audio Adapter, C-Media Chipset, RoHS" |
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| 06:49.48 | truemove | RupertPupkin: i tested mint debian and i think it a nice distro. But for me it include to mutch stuff that i dont use. but overall i would recomend it to new linux user. :D |
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| 06:50.29 | truemove | and cinnamon is mutch better then gnome 3, unity or kde |
| 06:51.10 | nvz | isn't cinnamon that dumbed down kiddy interface they made for the OLPC XO? |
| 06:51.25 | RupertPupkin | thanks truemove i've tried it out on a VM and liked it. it lacks disk encryption that debian installer has .. |
| 06:51.26 | nvz | no wait, that was called sugar I think |
| 06:51.48 | truemove | its a fork of gnome 3.. its like an updated gnome 2 |
| 06:52.01 | nvz | yeah, can't be storing your GAMP collection on an unencrypted volume |
| 06:52.07 | RupertPupkin | They have Mate and Cinnamon. I think Mate is a fork of Gnome 2, Cinnamon is Gnome 3 made more usable. |
| 06:52.15 | dudley | RupertPupkin: sybausa.com lists your sound card as being supported by Linux |
| 06:52.31 | dudley | Linux refers to the kernel. Just boot into a Debian LiveCD and test it out |
| 06:52.46 | dudley | It's better than asking what if questions like this for hours on end. |
| 06:52.57 | truemove | and they have a xfce release to i think |
| 06:53.04 | nvz | he seemed like he indicated its known to work on linux from personal experience but not on debian |
| 06:53.19 | truemove | but ints verry easy to install what ever windows manager you want |
| 06:53.30 | dudley | If it works on one distro, it will work on another. |
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| 06:53.39 | tensorpudding | are they going to try to put mate into debian now? |
| 06:53.55 | dudley | It's just a firmware.fw file, not some special rocket science magic voodoo |
| 06:54.09 | truemove | mint allready have have mate |
| 06:54.13 | dudley | Every distro runs the same kind of kernel, save version number. |
| 06:54.14 | nvz | dudley: ah, this device requires firmware? |
| 06:54.19 | tensorpudding | mint's doing something stupid, though |
| 06:54.21 | RupertPupkin | From experience, it works on Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, Chakra, CentOS .. except Debian. Anyhow, I will download the stable LiveCD and test it out now. |
| 06:54.35 | dudley | Yeah, that's what he is hesitant about, is that it doesn |
| 06:54.56 | dudley | doesn't work RIGHT out of the box, even though the firmware exists on a nonfree repo that he has to enable. |
| 06:55.07 | nvz | well then thats likely what is missing from debian.. the firmware |
| 06:55.32 | tensorpudding | their gnome 3 is by default the forked one, not the upstream, and i don't know if it's possible to get the real one |
| 06:55.39 | nvz | and for the record here, lemme tell you guys what mint doesn't have.. support on #debian.. heh |
| 06:55.45 | dudley | Put it like this: If the firmware doesn't exist on the Debian repo (unlikely), he can easily pull from the Ubuntu repo and still have it work. |
| 06:56.15 | nvz | so take a good hard look around at the sheer number of volunteers and their collective experience, and ask yourself whats more important |
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| 06:56.49 | nvz | dudley: right.. I was just trying to push him in the direction to investigate WHY it doesnt work on debian so we could move on to resolving the issue, rather than talking about it all night |
| 06:56.54 | RupertPupkin | I'm absolutely convinced that the quality of technical knowledge in the #debian channel far surpasses most other Linux distro channels. There's no doubt about that. :) |
| 06:57.17 | gnarface | know what i learned? once you know what you're doing its *better* to have to install/configure/enable everything manually. when you're trying to get real work done the *last* thing you want your system doing is shit without asking you |
| 06:57.37 | dudley | nvz: I understand, I want to figure that out as well. All I'm saving is that we will not figure that out if he doesn't move to run the LiveCD, and keeps looking for alternatives. |
| 06:57.51 | gnarface | sometimes it takes a training distro (ubuntu, gentoo) to get there though |
| 06:58.01 | RupertPupkin | So yeah, I'll stop talking about the same thing again and again and try out the LiveCD and see if it works. If it doesn't, I'll connect to this channel and get back to you guys. |
| 06:58.18 | dudley | Are you on the system that you want to install Debian on right now? |
| 06:58.19 | nvz | gnarface: yeah automagic is annoying.. cause its all cool when it works.. but murphys law shows us that anything that can happen, will.. and when it does that automagic stuff leaves you clueless |
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| 06:58.30 | RupertPupkin | Yep dudley |
| 06:58.55 | dudley | Okay, boot into the LiveCD and report back from within it so we can help you figure what's not working and why |
| 06:59.07 | dudley | Don't boot back into CentOS, because we can't troubleshoot from that angle. |
| 06:59.50 | nvz | well you guys can.. I've been up WAY too long.. personally I'd like to stay up all night.. but its gonna be far too hot to support my life in here in about 7-8hrs so I had better get some sleep while I can |
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| 07:00.34 | dudley | I'll be around. I'm just playing Arma II on my Windows machine. |
| 07:00.43 | RupertPupkin | OK will do. I should be back in around 7-8 hours too. Thanks dudley somiaj and nvz for your advice .. I'll catch you once I'm on the LiveCD |
| 07:01.08 | RupertPupkin | ciao |
| 07:01.12 | dudley | Later. |
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| 07:03.13 | nvz | oddly enough though on the automagic front I just sat here for the last 3 hours with my brother toying with ubuntu and debian in virtualbox on his machine before he left... |
| 07:03.52 | phogg | what part of that is interesting in an automatic sort of way? |
| 07:03.58 | nvz | and I was telling him how debian would automatically install the guest additions which ubuntu 12.whatever it is, did not.. well I then installed the more recent additions that came with VB and the scrolling stopped working |
| 07:04.20 | cantido | Doesnt debian install "open" versions of the extensions? |
| 07:04.26 | nvz | so in that case, the manual method broke something. heh |
| 07:04.45 | nvz | yeah the old 3.2 (i think) OSE guest additions |
| 07:05.03 | nvz | he's of course using the latest windows version of oracle VB the regular version.. |
| 07:05.28 | cantido | the open version still doesnt have usb right? |
| 07:05.37 | nvz | main reason I tried installing the new additions is cause in seemless mode the show desktop thing wasnt showing the linux desktop.. think now though it may have been due to win7's aero or something |
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| 07:06.03 | nvz | cantido: its lacking as I understand not only USB but also some remote features as well |
| 07:06.27 | nvz | the feature difference is rather minimal |
| 07:06.37 | g0dfrey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:07.10 | cantido | nvz: its not too hard to install the closed version.. so I just use that :) |
| 07:07.16 | cantido | needs USB |
| 07:07.30 | nvz | g0dfrey: networking isn't my cup of tea.. you could also try #d on irc.debian.org (OFTC) as well as general linux/networking channels I suppose |
| 07:08.16 | nvz | cantido: I use the latest CS version too just cause I figure its one of those things best kept up to date.. especially considering the VB community will not support anything but the latest |
| 07:09.54 | nvz | there are enough issues that arise inside a VM without having to guess at if they are issues that could be avoided by upgrades |
| 07:10.17 | nvz | its one of the rare cases I don't consider it to be a case of SNS syndrome |
| 07:10.40 | cantido | Since I got a decent enough machine that I can run xp vms without worrying about it I've never needed to use wine or spend hours trying to get shit working with it |
| 07:10.43 | cantido | :) |
| 07:11.16 | dudley | What do you run in the XP virtual machine? |
| 07:11.25 | cantido | nvz: I havent had many issues aside from XP trying to use 100% cpu and causing the host machine to overheat |
| 07:11.27 | nvz | yeah well there are things that are (virtually) impossible to accomplish in an XP vm.. like synching and iphone/itouch/ipad with itunes |
| 07:11.44 | cantido | dudley: Xilinx ISE, Renesas HEW .. |
| 07:12.00 | cantido | dudley: ISE is available for linux but its a pain to get working and it only half works then |
| 07:12.19 | dudley | I have no clue what all of those are. |
| 07:12.28 | cantido | dudley: eletronics stuff :) |
| 07:12.47 | dudley | Care to elaborate? |
| 07:13.50 | nvz | cantido: ah this might interest you if you're into electronics.. this guy Paul Falstad wrote a really nice little java circuit simulator.. its fun to play with http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ |
| 07:13.53 | cantido | there's not a great amount to explain.. they are basically vendor tools you can't really replace with free stuff |
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| 07:15.01 | nvz | can easily be downloaded and ran on linux, I've made many different inverters, recitifiers, little dodads that generate electricity from radio waves..etc with it |
| 07:15.37 | cantido | nvz: that's cool.. I try not to touch analogue or RF stuff because my math sucks heh |
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| 07:17.19 | nvz | ah well its rather native stuff to me, aside from my father having worked as a tv/vcr repair man and owned a shop when I was a kid and had me fetching vaccume tubes since I could walk and taking things apart since I could work a screwdriver.. I also tended to rip apart everything electronic I owned, gut it, and make other stuff out of it.. heh |
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| 07:18.47 | truemove | time for breakfast. one toast with extra arp sallad, one big ping jucie. and with some root on top. |
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| 07:22.04 | nvz | oh well, gonna attempt sleep.. as you were #debian... heh.. will likely be chiming in again in a few hours when I wake up cause its too hot to breathe.. :-x |
| 07:23.04 | cantido | sorry, was disposing of roadkill :/ |
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| 07:34.46 | thomaschaaf | Hey, after years I have to copy a folder recursivly which is only accessible via ftp to a local folder. What is the best tool for doing this? |
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| 07:35.21 | mjmt | thomaschaaf: wget or curl. |
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| 07:36.08 | thomaschaaf | mjmt: thank you |
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| 07:53.45 | xwalk | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is blowing my mind right about now. |
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| 07:54.05 | xwalk | I never once caught on to the fact that release code names were the names of characters from Toy Story. |
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| 07:54.43 | pithagorians | hi all. i have such a situation on server - it's a web dev server with big projects made on drupal, magento, zend, opencart. there are about 10 simultaneous devs working on that by using databases and copying scripts from svn. the input load to the disk goes up to 102 %. it's a 7200 RPM, 2 disks in raid 1 mirror. OS is Debian 6. File system is ext3. Uptime is 109 days. The disks was checked with smartctl - no errors. For me looks like the problem c |
| 07:54.43 | pithagorians | omes because of big amount of small files plus operations on web server with scripts that are not cached plus reading from db. Any other idea on this issue? |
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| 08:09.52 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: what does htop give you? |
| 08:10.15 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: maybe you're swapping out |
| 08:11.06 | thisillusion | hey guys. please help me out with the following: in my debian vm bash shell, all my keys work fine. in shells like mysql, psql, python some keys don't work, like "a","b","c","f","g". "d" and "e" work! what gives? |
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| 08:11.32 | thomaschaaf | thisillusion: what keys do work? |
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| 08:12.03 | pithagorians | thomaschaaf:swap is only 99 MB out of 2 GB |
| 08:12.04 | thisillusion | thomaschaaf: deklrsyz, no numbers |
| 08:12.24 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: what does free -m give you? |
| 08:12.30 | thomaschaaf | everythink not just a bit |
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| 08:12.44 | thomaschaaf | thisillusion: what keyboard type us? |
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| 08:13.09 | thisillusion | thomaschaaf: yes |
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| 08:13.25 | pithagorians | thomaschaaf: the same - Swap: 2053 99 1954 |
| 08:13.37 | thisillusion | thomaschaaf: tried locales en_US and en_ZA, encoding is utf-8 |
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| 08:13.48 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: paste everything that command gives you |
| 08:14.01 | pithagorians | free -m |
| 08:14.02 | pithagorians | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.02 | pithagorians | Mem: 24158 19609 4548 0 5250 9710 |
| 08:14.02 | pithagorians | -/+ buffers/cache: 4649 19509 |
| 08:14.02 | pithagorians | Swap: 2053 99 1954 |
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| 08:14.05 | thomaschaaf | -.- |
| 08:14.06 | thomaschaaf | #FUU |
| 08:14.11 | thomaschaaf | read the FAQ |
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| 08:14.58 | pithagorians | thomaschaaf: http://pastebin.com/7cTtX39p |
| 08:15.34 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: what is your cpu usage like? |
| 08:15.51 | thomaschaaf | and your disk io |
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| 08:17.02 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: is dma activated in the bios? |
| 08:17.49 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/how-to-enable-dma-in-linux/ |
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| 08:23.15 | pithagorians | <thomaschaaf> when such a 100 % busy comes i have 100 % wait on only one core and all other 7 cores on idle |
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| 08:24.19 | wave | hmm, while installing packets, should I use aptitude or atp-get? |
| 08:24.26 | wave | is there any recommendation? |
| 08:25.04 | xy | wave: aptitude is better in resolving dependencies as far as I know. |
| 08:25.26 | wave | okey, thanks |
| 08:25.57 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: sounds like dma is off? |
| 08:26.21 | pithagorians | i get such an output |
| 08:26.21 | pithagorians | http://pastebin.com/4BctreKW |
| 08:26.33 | balancer | why i cant create an ubifs.img? here is the error http://nopaste.info/1012ca847e.html |
| 08:26.36 | pithagorians | for both disks |
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| 08:27.08 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: what process is taking up all the power? |
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| 08:27.18 | thomaschaaf | Check with htop and sort by cpu or something |
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| 08:31.36 | balancer | any idea, what i did wrong? |
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| 08:32.16 | pithagorians | <thomaschaaf> at the moment of 100 busy there is no cpu loading process. i see like 0.0 % for all of them. i'm testing in parallel with htop sort by cpu and nmon |
| 08:34.54 | thomaschaaf | pithagorians: http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2009/08/23/how-to-find-per-process-io-statistics-on-linux/ |
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| 08:41.16 | pithagorians | <thomaschaaf> this is the output of commands http://pastebin.com/6shti2BV |
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| 08:43.54 | a-l-e | hi, does anybody know of a way to take a screenshot of a specific parts of the desktop (i have thee coordinates)... something i can launch from the terminal? |
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| 08:44.22 | a-l-e | imagemagick's import seems only to be useful with a window id.... |
| 08:46.40 | thomaschaaf | a-l-e: import -window root -crop ... img.png |
| 08:47.49 | a-l-e | thomaschaaf: ... let me try it... |
| 08:48.10 | thomaschaaf | or -region |
| 08:48.22 | thomaschaaf | but -window root takes a picture of everything |
| 08:48.31 | thomaschaaf | then you can cut out the pixels you want |
| 08:48.32 | a-l-e | yep, it works! |
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| 08:53.10 | a-l-e | thanks |
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| 09:06.01 | gyaresu | mpt-statusd shouldn't be needed on a vps debian squeeze install right? It's not running raid... so... $ update-rc.d-insserv -f mpt-statusd remove |
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| 09:16.34 | gyaresu | And does Debian 6 usually come with a (commented out but still...) /etc/cron.d/john file? Man this VPS has some wacky stuff on it for self managed install... |
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| 09:17.47 | zoid | when release wheezy? |
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| 09:18.04 | jelly | gyaresu: dpkg -S /etc/cron.d/john should tell you which package is comes from |
| 09:18.17 | Lartza | How do I make an init script? Can't really find a good guide on that or an example even |
| 09:19.07 | jelly | dpkg, tell zoid about wwwr |
| 09:19.10 | gyaresu | Yeah, it comes from john. But it's just wacky that it's even installed. |
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| 09:19.59 | gyaresu | I don't suppose anyone knows if I can nuke the mpt-statusd . I'm getting 2000 emails a day for logging. Just trying to whittle that down. |
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| 09:20.56 | jelly | gyaresu: Re: mpt-status, debian installer installs it if it finds a compatible controller is present. If you have a VM with an emulated LSIlogic, there's no benefit in having it installed |
| 09:21.21 | gyaresu | jelly: cheers. Away it goes. |
| 09:21.30 | jelly | (also it should not send thousands of mails when set up properly) |
| 09:21.59 | gyaresu | is the command i posted above correct? I found it from a search. I know update-rc.d but not the variant with -insserv I have to go read up. |
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| 09:23.21 | jelly | gyaresu: I'd just purge the package |
| 09:23.29 | gyaresu | jelly: Yeah, it came with Sophos and http://www.configserver.com/ installed as well. But not setup correctly. So I'm trying to remove a lot of crap. |
| 09:23.39 | gyaresu | jelly: sweet. Thanks. |
| 09:23.46 | jelly | gyaresu: which sophos |
| 09:24.08 | gyaresu | /opt/sophos-av |
| 09:24.53 | gyaresu | Sophos Anti-Virus : 7.5.5 |
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| 09:25.58 | pithagorians | <thomaschaaf> i'm using the iotop tool. md2_raid1 command takes 99 % of IO on disk when disk is busy |
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| 09:27.40 | pithagorians | <thomaschaaf> and disk write is 0 B/s |
| 09:27.41 | pithagorians | :) |
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| 09:55.06 | Viking667 | hm. Seems I'm on the wrong channel. |
| 09:55.27 | Viking667 | ... in fact, it seems I'm on the wrong server.... hehehehe. Sorry, folks. |
| 09:55.42 | gyaresu | I've got SFTP working through the built in openssh with Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -u 0002 and ForceCommand internal-sftp -u 0002 but I can log in with an sftp client and overide file creation to 644 -rw-r--r-- instead of 664 -rw-rw-r-- The parent folder is drwxrwsr-x |
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| 09:56.43 | gyaresu | How do I force file and folder permissions then? |
| 09:57.34 | jwilliams__ | i am learning project plugin for vim. anyway to show more than 2 files at the meantime at the right hand panel? |
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| 09:59.23 | gyaresu | jwilliams__: so you want to split vertically first and then the right panel horizontal? |
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| 10:00.50 | jwilliams__ | yes how can i do that? |
| 10:01.17 | gyaresu | https://technotales.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/vim-splits-a-guide-to-doing-exactly-what-you-want/ |
| 10:01.25 | jwilliams__ | and if possible, between different version like diff? |
| 10:01.41 | gyaresu | jwilliams__: You can also do it using tmux or screen |
| 10:02.11 | jwilliams__ | within project plugin? or i need to call external programe like screen? |
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| 10:03.44 | gyaresu | jwilliams__: You can just split using straight vim |
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| 10:04.17 | jwilliams__ | gyaresu: thank you. |
| 10:04.26 | gyaresu | jwilliams__: It's just that if you use tmux or screen there's different commands. I don't use it myself other than :vsplit for vertical splits |
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| 10:04.30 | gyaresu | np |
| 10:05.14 | pom | If I left root password blank in debian setup, can I set it later? |
| 10:05.27 | pom | I'm currently incapable of su:ing. :) |
| 10:06.10 | gyaresu | pom: so you login as root with a blank passwd? |
| 10:06.22 | pom | gyaresu: It doesn't seem to let me. |
| 10:06.33 | gyaresu | pom: So how do you log in? |
| 10:06.48 | pom | With my default user, that I did supply a password for. |
| 10:07.07 | gyaresu | pom: so can you $ su root |
| 10:07.23 | pom | Yes, but blank password does not log me in as root. I get rejected. |
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| 10:07.54 | gyaresu | pom: dunno about that then. If it let you have blank password then it should. |
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| 10:08.15 | pom | My reasoning. :) |
| 10:08.28 | gyaresu | pom: If it's a local box you should be able to either get in via safe mode or you actually did set a password. |
| 10:08.34 | gyaresu | pom: remote or local? |
| 10:08.50 | pom | Local VM. |
| 10:09.08 | gyaresu | pom: then just run to safe mode |
| 10:09.11 | gyaresu | set passwd |
| 10:09.28 | poisoned | hello |
| 10:09.32 | gyaresu | yes |
| 10:10.43 | gyaresu | pom: You know how to get to single user mode? |
| 10:10.45 | poisoned | opencubic player from repository has one annoying problem - when the track starts i hear click sounds like switcher clicks |
| 10:10.55 | poisoned | who knows is there a way to fix it? |
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| 10:11.26 | gyaresu | poisoned: sorry, nope. Does it happen with other players? Might be sound driver related? |
| 10:12.00 | poisoned | nope |
| 10:12.08 | poisoned | only this port of dos player |
| 10:12.26 | poisoned | in alsaplayer everything works fine |
| 10:12.41 | gyaresu | poisoned: Is there a more recent source version you could build? Have you checked their bug tracker? |
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| 10:13.17 | poisoned | gyaresu, where can i check? |
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| 10:14.11 | gyaresu | poisoned: poisoned The internet. http://www.cubic.org/player/ 2009? Why do you want to use this? |
| 10:14.36 | poisoned | gyaresu, it looks great |
| 10:14.51 | poisoned | and i have question about gdm theme changing |
| 10:15.18 | gyaresu | poisoned: Do you just want to use it because it's commandline? |
| 10:15.45 | dizzylizzy | the new gdm can't be themed AFAIK |
| 10:15.50 | gyaresu | poisoned: Have you tried mpd and all the many ways you can control mpd ncmpd & browser plugins etc. |
| 10:16.05 | poisoned | gyaresu, because it is like mpd+ncmcpp+fifo visualisation |
| 10:16.38 | gyaresu | poisoned: Looks old and unsupported to me. Maybe there's something that's filling its boots. |
| 10:16.55 | poisoned | gyaresu, yeah let it die in piece... ^( |
| 10:17.32 | poisoned | how to change gdm theme to simple one with black background? |
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| 10:17.56 | poisoned | i cant find gdm appearances |
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| 10:19.27 | gyaresu | I've got SFTP working through the built in openssh with Subsystem sftp internal-sftp -u 0002 and ForceCommand internal-sftp -u 0002 but I can log in with an sftp client and overide file creation to 644 -rw-r--r-- instead of 664 -rw-rw-r-- The parent folder is drwxrwsr-x |
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| 10:19.48 | vk01__ | I've checked the wiki and docs and there seems to be no mention of installation on "advanced format" (4K) drives. Does this mean we always have to pre-partition the drives just to ensure they're properly aligned? (Debian installer doesn't properly align partitions on 2TB drives using 4K sectors) |
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| 10:20.19 | dizzylizzy | poisoned, are you using GNOME, or a window manager? have you considered a different display manager? |
| 10:20.36 | poisoned | dizzylizzy, it is GNOME 2.30 |
| 10:22.43 | dizzylizzy | http://wiki.debian.org/GDM << you might want to see that list to see whether the advantages of GDM really are worth using it :P I used to use SLIM as a DM and it was wonderful |
| 10:23.34 | dizzylizzy | it also has some info on customization but I think you'd need gdm3 ... not sure which version of gdm gnome2 used later one |
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| 10:25.12 | nsadmin | how can I get a cups running on a machine to pay attention to other machines? |
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| 10:27.13 | dizzylizzy | what do you mean by "pay attention to" -- be a shared printer? |
| 10:27.22 | blackshirt1 | http://postimage.org/image/y0ppjfggl/ |
| 10:27.33 | Joshy- | i eat debians in my cereal |
| 10:27.37 | Joshy- | omnomnom |
| 10:27.44 | xand | o.o |
| 10:27.51 | nsadmin | you eat pairs of people?! |
| 10:27.52 | nsadmin | wow!! |
| 10:28.03 | nsadmin | dizzylizzy, two things... |
| 10:29.03 | nsadmin | one, when trying to contact the web interface of the machine that has the cups tending the printer, I get bad request |
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| 10:29.38 | mjmt | nsadmin: It's very similar to Apache, there's a Listen directive someplace... needs to be uncommented or changed to not bind only to localhost. |
| 10:29.41 | nsadmin | two, I can't actually see that printer as represented by that cups on other machines |
| 10:30.12 | nsadmin | I saw that... would I use multiple listens? (and hold that thought a moment) |
| 10:30.51 | dizzylizzy | this reminds me I should get my printer out of my closet now that i've set up my new computer |
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| 10:32.21 | nsadmin | mjmt et al, I'm back and I'll pull up the config of the cups directly talking to the printer |
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| 10:33.13 | dizzylizzy | blackshirt1, that's insane |
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| 10:33.31 | dizzylizzy | blackshirt1, is /home mounted read-only or something? |
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| 10:33.55 | blackshirt1 | dizzylizzy : no... i can rmdir on them |
| 10:35.20 | dizzylizzy | blackshirt1, this may be worth mailing the debian-user mailing list about |
| 10:35.31 | dizzylizzy | at least I'd be interested in seeing how they troubleshoot it :P |
| 10:35.41 | blackshirt1 | :P |
| 10:35.56 | nsadmin | Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock (\n) Listen 172.18.0.0/16 |
| 10:36.28 | nsadmin | the first Listen was there, the second one I added |
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| 10:36.53 | nsadmin | I figured I should listen at the subnet |
| 10:37.11 | nsadmin | and I additionally figured one listen per Listen |
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| 10:40.42 | dizzylizzy | on power switches O is off and | is on, right? |
| 10:40.45 | dizzylizzy | like 0 and 1 binary |
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| 10:41.02 | HAAMED | Arch of Core I7 is ia64 ? |
| 10:41.05 | mjmt | nsadmin: Some of these might help if that didn't do it: Browsing on\nBrowseOrder allow,deny\nBrowseAllow all |
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| 10:41.12 | dizzylizzy | HAAMED, i7 is amd64 |
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| 10:41.32 | HAAMED | dizzylizzy, Ok tnx |
| 10:41.59 | mjmt | nsadmin: ... How about I just DCC you my Mac's /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 10:42.29 | dizzylizzy | HAAMED, I was confused about that too... it's misleading. But no, they are not Itanium, they are just what comes after the Intel Core 2's |
| 10:42.53 | dizzylizzy | i was thinking about setting up CUPS just to look at the config file yeah |
| 10:43.30 | mjmt | I've never had a problem just using the web interface. |
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| 10:44.00 | mjmt | But I guess that doesn't help if you can't get to it. :) |
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| 10:45.49 | nsadmin | mjmt, do you have any Listen directives that go to other than sockets? |
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| 10:46.49 | dizzylizzy | 1. plug in printer; 2. connect to usb; 3. "configuring new printer"; 4. hp lasterjet 1012 ready for printing |
| 10:46.51 | dizzylizzy | o_o |
| 10:47.14 | RotesOHM | anyone can tell me how to disable mounting of encrypted partitions on boot ? |
| 10:47.27 | mjmt | nsadmin: Yep. Did you put :631 ? |
| 10:47.36 | mjmt | (ipp)a |
| 10:47.39 | mjmt | (ipp) |
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| 10:48.29 | dizzylizzy | RotesOHM, man crypttab |
| 10:48.32 | themill | wonders if nsadmin has found cupsd.conf(5) yet |
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| 10:48.34 | dizzylizzy | RotesOHM, you want to put in an option noauto |
| 10:48.50 | mjmt | themill: Heh *facepalm* |
| 10:49.32 | nsadmin | no, there is a "Port 631" |
| 10:49.41 | RotesOHM | dizzy: i dont want to disable a specific partition, i want to disable it completly, its a headless system |
| 10:50.28 | nsadmin | also, these Listens, they specify what to listen ON or listen TO? |
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| 10:50.44 | mjmt | nsadmin: Listen on. |
| 10:51.10 | nsadmin | ohh, so: I would listen on my own address, not the subnet |
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| 10:55.37 | mjmt | nsadmin: Perhaps: BrowseOrder allow,deny \n BrowseAllow 172.18.0.0/16 |
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| 11:02.33 | nsadmin | mjmt, " ... Browsing On \n BrowseOrder allow,deny \n BrowseAllow all ... " |
| 11:02.44 | dokma|2 | got Debian on sda1 and sda2. sda1 is booted native and sda2 virtualize and now I'm transferring stuff from sda1 to sda2. when I'm done I'll nuke sda1 and then I want to move sda2 to the begining of the disk and resize it to fill all available space. |
| 11:03.21 | dokma | I'd like to know what is the best way to move a partition to the begining of the disk and if there will be some changes that I need to know in advance... |
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| 11:04.47 | nsadmin | dokma, if there's overlap you'd have some problems to work thru... in that case I'd use a separate drive to hold the partition data |
| 11:05.04 | dokma | there is overlap |
| 11:05.11 | dokma | sda1 is smaller than sda2 |
| 11:05.18 | dizzylizzy | RotesOHM, sorry wasn't pinged with just dizzy. I'm confused then, you mean you have, like, USB drives that you plug in sometimes that you don't want to have to unplug between remote reboots? |
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| 11:05.26 | dokma | and I don't have a spare disk, it's a remote dedicated box in a data center |
| 11:05.34 | dokma | all I've got is net access |
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| 11:06.17 | nsadmin | can you ask the data center for some temp storage? |
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| 11:07.41 | RotesOHM | dizzylizzy: i have updated from lenny to squeeze, it was no problem before |
| 11:07.46 | nsadmin | how much free space? |
| 11:07.57 | dokma | nsadmin: there's another option I'd like to consider. amount of data in sda2 can fit into sda1. is it safe to re mkfs.ext3 sda1 and just rsync from sda2 to sda1 ??? |
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| 11:08.41 | dokma | then I would delete sda2 and resize2fs sda1 |
| 11:08.51 | dokma | nsadmin: do you see any issues with this? |
| 11:08.53 | RotesOHM | dizzylizzy: the encrypted disk is used as root for a virtual machine, and since the update it tries to decrypt the partition on boot |
| 11:09.10 | nsadmin | well you'd have to be careful, you may only have one shot |
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| 11:10.15 | RotesOHM | i tried CRYPTDISK_ENABLE=no in /etc/defauts/cryptdisks |
| 11:10.17 | RotesOHM | but does not work |
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| 11:10.56 | nsadmin | dokma, a -lot- easier to get some storage for a day |
| 11:12.01 | nkuttler | dokma: you should make a full backup before messing with partitions and stuff anyway |
| 11:12.11 | dizzylizzy | RotesOHM, Sorry I'm not sure I can immediately help; now I'm curious as to what mechanism or hook mounts available filesystems at startup |
| 11:12.15 | dizzylizzy | looking into that now |
| 11:12.26 | dokma | nkuttler: backup is done every day automatically |
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| 11:24.46 | biberao2 | hi |
| 11:25.01 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 11:25.06 | biberao2 | any of you guys know how can i enable auth_digest on nginx? |
| 11:25.27 | Jaggz- | hey nsadmin :) |
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| 11:26.10 | Jaggz- | anyone know how to see your IP ? w and who are doing hostname lookups, and truncating it, and while the manpage says who accepts --ips, the command who --help disagrees |
| 11:26.23 | Jaggz- | (I want to see IPs of users logged into shell) |
| 11:26.24 | nsadmin | heya |
| 11:26.59 | nsadmin | biberao2, that info would be in nginx docs... when you checked those, what did you find out? |
| 11:27.31 | biberao2 | nsadmin some modules are enabled by default |
| 11:27.36 | biberao2 | i found what i needed |
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| 11:27.45 | apofis | hi guys |
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| 11:28.09 | apofis | quick question - how tocheck if file whcih belongs to some packages contains some differences (mannual changes ect) |
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| 11:29.47 | apofis | in other words - diff between files in package and files installed in the system |
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| 11:30.11 | nsadmin | biberao2, great :) |
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| 11:33.48 | nsadmin | apofis, it's easy to check the files that came from the tarball... any others may have been generated |
| 11:34.31 | nsadmin | said others may or may not be associated with any package such that said association can be easily read |
| 11:35.01 | apofis | @nsadmin: I was thinking about debsum or something similar |
| 11:35.47 | nsadmin | wasn't aware of debsum... the foregoing is all I have |
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| 11:36.27 | biberao2 | tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory <- |
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| 11:40.28 | biberao2 | i added something to the changelog |
| 11:40.31 | biberao2 | and still says that |
| 11:41.11 | nsadmin | any idea what cups logs to? |
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| 11:42.18 | Black_Prince | /var/log/cups/{access,error}_log |
| 11:42.59 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
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| 11:44.37 | nsadmin | E [28/May/2012:04:40:18 -0700] Request from "172.18.100.203" using invalid Host: field "jlgw:631" |
| 11:45.20 | nsadmin | ok, isn't there some kind of debianized way to change the hostname? |
| 11:45.34 | nsadmin | on the whole machine that is |
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| 11:46.11 | g0dfrey | I have a GRE tunnel connected via eth0 and if i send packets out through the tunnel,i will receive response from eth0,and applications can't get that...So how to make the traffic comming in from eth0 look like they are coming in through the tunnel? |
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| 11:46.45 | kryptoz | nsadmin, will modifying the "/etc/hostname" do ? |
| 11:48.24 | nsadmin | maybe that and alter the /etc/hosts and a coupla other things |
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| 11:49.26 | kryptoz | i usually do edit the "/etc/hostname" and then add appropriate details to "/etc/hosts" thats all. and then either restart the server or "hostname -v <new hostname>" |
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| 11:51.51 | nsadmin | kryptoz, yeah, about to reboot that machine now... |
| 11:52.01 | nsadmin | after having done all that |
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| 11:53.06 | RotesOHM | dizzylizzy: are you there ? |
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| 11:56.40 | nsadmin | the reboot did it... and, solved the cups problem |
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| 12:01.59 | latenite | Hi folks, why is gdisk using 512 bytes of sector size when it actually are 4069? https://gist.github.com/2818775 |
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| 12:03.33 | Peaker_ | I'm having some serious trouble with xorg taking lots of CPU and stuff like tab switching being super-slow. I find some debian bug reports with similar symptoms but no solution mentioned |
| 12:04.31 | vk01__ | @latenite, WD20EARS? Some of the drives report differing sizes for logical and physical partitions |
| 12:04.48 | vk01__ | (some drives, like the WD20EARS, is what I meant to say) |
| 12:05.43 | latenite | vk01__, no its Model Number: ST3000DM001-9YN166 drives |
| 12:06.41 | vk01__ | that one also reports differing sizes: Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes |
| 12:07.20 | vk01__ | I've got a bunch of ST2000DM001s. I had to partition them manually before installing Debian |
| 12:08.08 | latenite | I found this issue when I was using cryptsetup and I only got small devices. |
| 12:08.11 | nsadmin | mjmt, so here's what happened... I replaced my gateway just under 2 wks ago... forgot to set the printer up to it. while both machines (old gw, new gw) were on the net, I called the new gw newgw but the dns called it gw... |
| 12:08.19 | latenite | would you know a way around all that? |
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| 12:08.32 | nsadmin | when I fixed that, cups suddenly started working |
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| 12:09.03 | vk01__ | Unfortunately no. I've asked the question here and I've been searching the Debian docs and wiki.debian.org but so far no dice. |
| 12:09.21 | vk01__ | In your case though, your partitions seem to be aligned |
| 12:10.03 | latenite | vk01__, how can you tell they are aligned? I cant since I dont know what to look for |
| 12:10.09 | mjmt | nsadmin: Hah, can almost hear the packets dropping... |
| 12:10.53 | vk01__ | @latenite, have you got parted installed? If not, run "apt-get install parted" then do "parted /dev/sda" |
| 12:11.02 | nsadmin | wow, you're hearing into the past, dunno why... a reboot made it all fly |
| 12:11.19 | vk01__ | @latenite, was going on your first partition which starts at 2048, that aligns properly |
| 12:11.57 | latenite | thats a biosboot partition for GPT with label ef02 |
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| 12:12.22 | nsadmin | so all flying means mainly the cups on the gw where the printer is and where the actual printer def is, is now talking to the cups on my desklaptop |
| 12:12.44 | vk01__ | 2050048 is also divisible by 8 (partition #2) and 2052096 (partition #3) -- run parted on that disk and you can do an align-check |
| 12:13.17 | nsadmin | so I got rid of the def for that printer from the desktop, and made sure that printing went to the server on the laptop |
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| 12:13.49 | vk01__ | @latenite, once you've run "parted /dev/sda", run "align-check opt 2" and "align-check opt 3" to check if partitions 2 and 3 are aligned -- pretty sure they are |
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| 12:15.05 | latenite | vk01__, https://gist.github.com/2818833 like that? |
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| 12:15.30 | nsadmin | thanks for using gist :) |
| 12:15.37 | vk01__ | @latenite, yep, your partitions are aligned |
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| 12:16.23 | latenite | vk01__, nice way of checking :D love that |
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| 12:16.52 | latenite | vk01__, so how do I get cryptsetup to use the right sector size? |
| 12:17.02 | vk01__ | shortcut is to just divide starting sectors by 8 ;P |
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| 12:18.03 | vk01__ | @latenite --- you want to setup a crypted partition on /dev/sda3? |
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| 12:18.45 | latenite | vk01__, yes |
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| 12:19.06 | latenite | I did "cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 create sda3-crypt /dev/sda3 --key-file /key.gpg" |
| 12:19.13 | biberao2 | help please |
| 12:19.14 | biberao2 | tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 12:19.14 | biberao2 | dpkg-buildpackage: error: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 |
| 12:19.27 | latenite | vk01__, but only got 97GB out of my 2.7TB /dev/sda3 |
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| 12:20.00 | biberao2 | fixed it |
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| 12:20.17 | joar | ,version fglrx-driver |
| 12:20.18 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-4-1 |
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| 12:21.03 | joar | Where has fglrx-driver gone for testing? |
| 12:21.20 | joar | http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver.html |
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| 12:23.12 | latenite | vk01__, is there a way to define block size with "cryptsetup"? |
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| 12:25.50 | vk01__ | @latenite, you can specify an offset if that's what you meant, but your command should have created a drive matching the size of the sda3 |
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| 12:27.23 | latenite | vk01__, I did not meen ofset. What I meant was it did not create adrive of size of /dev/sda3 (which is 2.7TB) but only a drive of 97GB |
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| 12:32.53 | vk01__ | @latenite, you can try doing this instead: cryptsetup --verbose -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 luksFormat --key-file /key.gpg /dev/sda3 |
| 12:34.11 | vk01__ | wait |
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| 12:34.22 | dizzylizzy | RotesOHM, sorry i was in a video chat |
| 12:34.25 | vk01__ | @latenite, there's no data in /dev/sda3 right? |
| 12:34.33 | dizzylizzy | did you find what you needed ROtes? |
| 12:34.37 | latenite | vk01__, none yet |
| 12:34.45 | RotesOHM | no |
| 12:34.49 | vk01__ | @latenite, okay. luksFormat is fine then |
| 12:34.56 | RotesOHM | it seems to be a problem in the initramfs |
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| 12:35.17 | dizzylizzy | RotesOHM, i'm afraid I didn't have the opportunity to look up the info I do recommend sending the problem to the debian-user mailing list |
| 12:35.21 | latenite | vk01__, see line 22 and 71 https://gist.github.com/2818932 how sector counts differ |
| 12:35.40 | latenite | vk01__, that almost seems like a bug in gdisk |
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| 12:36.55 | biberao2 | byebye |
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| 12:37.25 | liknn | Can someone recognize what is font on this pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/roland/7277577916/in/set-72157629913770228/ |
| 12:38.44 | vk01__ | @latenite, yep, it does. what does parted report when you run "parted /dev/sda"? does it report sda3 as 97GiB or 2.7TiB? |
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| 12:39.33 | latenite | vk01__, https://gist.github.com/2818970 |
| 12:39.48 | latenite | vk01__, parted does not show sectors here though |
| 12:41.00 | vk01__ | @latenite, you can type "unit s" if you want to see sectors in parted |
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| 12:43.06 | latenite | vk01__, is there a way to run "parted -l --unit s /dev/sda" ? |
| 12:43.16 | latenite | so it is non-interactive |
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| 12:44.40 | nsadmin | latenite, are those parameters correct for a different partitioner? is that why you're asking? |
| 12:45.05 | mjmt | liknn: Looks to me like Monaco, scaled up (so pixelated) after being rendered. |
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| 12:45.40 | vk01__ | @latenite, just type "parted -l unit s /dev/sda" |
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| 12:46.34 | latenite | vk01__, that does not show the sectors https://gist.github.com/2819014 |
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| 12:48.56 | latenite | vk01__, I get in bad trouble here. I can not set the ACTUAL sector count when using cryptsetup https://gist.github.com/2819020 |
| 12:49.29 | RotesOHM | dizzylizzy: found it. there was a file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot with some wrong default values. its working now, thx for you time |
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| 12:53.55 | nsadmin | I need to start a service after networking has been completely established (in my case that's three interfaces configured) before starting mine... it seems that "starting after" really means "starting at the same time as" starting networking |
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| 12:54.18 | dizzylizzy | oh awesome :) |
| 12:54.20 | nsadmin | I had to put the innserv stuff in the init.d file |
| 12:54.51 | dizzylizzy | ah and couldn't do it within /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 12:55.09 | nsadmin | well that part is supposed to be automatic |
| 12:55.35 | dizzylizzy | oh you want it done every time networking is set up |
| 12:55.39 | dizzylizzy | not just at boot, okay |
| 12:56.03 | nsadmin | actually... |
| 12:56.06 | joar | hi guys, it seems like fglrx-driver was removed from wheezy the 14th of May. Are there any additional resources on this except this page? http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver.html |
| 12:56.50 | nsadmin | there is one interface that uses dhcp... if that interface were to ever return a different IP, then my service needs to be restarted |
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| 12:58.04 | nsadmin | other than that, my service actually reads all the interfaces and probably the routing table, and builds up some stuff based on what it found |
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| 12:58.13 | joar | nsadmin: there are some hooks for networking that you cound utilize |
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| 12:58.24 | btorch | is this the right channel to aks about pdebuild and pbuilder stuff ? |
| 12:58.49 | joar | nsadmin: check out /etc/network/if-up.d/ and it's siblings |
| 12:59.12 | Sevet | nsadmin: see the /etc/network/if-*.d/ directories |
| 12:59.18 | Sevet | joar: snap :) |
| 12:59.26 | joar | :) |
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| 13:02.02 | joar | here's the information on why fglrx-driver is removed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 |
| 13:02.59 | vk01__ | @latenite, the "--size" parameter in "cryptsetup" is expecting a size in MB, GB or TB, I don't think you can type in sectors there |
| 13:03.00 | dizzylizzy | joar, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/glx-alternative-fglrx |
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| 13:03.43 | vk01__ | use luksFormat instead of create if you want all of /dev/sda3 to be crypted |
| 13:04.04 | latenite | vk01__, actually you can when you ommit the "M,K, etc" |
| 13:04.11 | joar | dizzylizzy: I have it installed, but I haven't restarted yet. I don't know what I'm running on right now, but I have GNOME3 in fallback mode. |
| 13:04.27 | latenite | but the problem ist that blockdev --getsz /dev/sda3 reposts the wring amount of sectors |
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| 13:04.45 | dizzylizzy | ah I see that's odd |
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| 13:05.56 | dizzylizzy | ah okay joar, my bad -- you solved it already :P |
| 13:06.16 | dizzylizzy | I got that info from a 2011 bug report on fglrx and didn't read the backlog before pasting |
| 13:06.37 | joar | dizzylizzy: Your input was welcome, wasn't sure glx-alternative-fglrx was the right thing, just a shot in the dark for me at time of installation :) |
| 13:07.56 | vk01__ | @latenite, have you run luksFormat at any point to create an encrypted partition in sda3? |
| 13:08.07 | dizzylizzy | Looks as though glx-alternative-fglrx won't pull it in as it doesn't exist because of being incompatible with current version of X, i'm glad i got a new computer when I did :P |
| 13:08.30 | dizzylizzy | although admittedly i wasn't using the proprietary driver |
| 13:08.49 | joar | fglrx support has been a bit spotty in wheezy, I remember having an xv-related bug for at least a month |
| 13:08.57 | latenite | vk01__, no not at all. I do not intend to use luks at all |
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| 13:10.06 | vk01__ | latenite, ah, okay, was wondering why you were using "create" |
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| 13:11.10 | latenite | vk01__, create -> to set up a crypt device. but without the luks feature |
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| 13:13.39 | truemove | what is the problem with my debian install, when i install the amd driver i get this error |
| 13:13.45 | truemove | Fatal server error: |
| 13:14.02 | truemove | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1011230/ |
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| 13:14.11 | truemove | there is the .log |
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| 13:14.40 | abrotman | fglrx is not compatible with the Xorg in testing/unstable |
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| 13:15.23 | g3orge | why is sh a symlink to dash? which is a BSD tool? |
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| 13:15.53 | abrotman | g3orge: you can change that .. but dash is POSIX compliant IIRC, and considered much faster |
| 13:16.03 | abrotman | g3orge: dpkg-reconfigure dash .. i think |
| 13:16.27 | engla | g3orge: boot is faster, since that runs a load of sh scripts |
| 13:16.45 | vk01__ | latenite, "parted -s /dev/sda unit s print" should get your partition size in sectors, then you can try running that in cryptsetup |
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| 13:17.58 | g3orge | so Debian has by default a BSD tool because it's faster? interesting... any other stuff like that? |
| 13:18.12 | engla | g3orge: bsd tool? |
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| 13:18.23 | latenite | vk01__, it seems that kernel still has a old invalid partition table taht I can not update. |
| 13:18.25 | truemove | abrotman: so ther is nothing to do then? |
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| 13:18.34 | latenite | vk01__, that seems to be the cause of all that |
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| 13:19.24 | abrotman | truemove: which card is it ? |
| 13:19.35 | abrotman | g3orge: why is dash a BSD tool ? |
| 13:19.50 | abrotman | g3orge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Almquist_shell |
| 13:19.50 | truemove | radeonHD 6310 |
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| 13:20.01 | abrotman | eyah, don't think radeonhd supports that |
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| 13:20.30 | g3orge | abt |
| 13:20.32 | g3orge | rvchangue_: |
| 13:20.50 | g3orge | sorry I was going to say `man dash` |
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| 13:20.58 | vk01__ | latenite, you have the option of recreating the partition tables if you don't have any data on the disk |
| 13:21.10 | abrotman | g3orge: to me? or on your box ? |
| 13:21.31 | g3orge | to you abrotman :) |
| 13:21.40 | truemove | i have used this driver on debian, and ubuntu before. worked fine. but not in testing :( |
| 13:21.53 | abrotman | g3orge: does it actually say BSD? I wouldn't be surprised, it's based on a BSD shell, but was written for Linux |
| 13:22.18 | abrotman | g3orge: look at the HISTORY section |
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| 13:22.55 | g3orge | it does. and it's part of the BSD manual pages. (First line on the top of the screen) |
| 13:23.34 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:23.44 | abrotman | wonders if g3orge has a different man page |
| 13:23.50 | nkuttler | g3orge: it's been forked from the BSD code in the nineties.. hardly makes it a 'BSD tool' |
| 13:24.00 | abrotman | anyway .. it's not a *BSD* tool, it's derived from the BSD tool .. ported 15 years ago |
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| 13:24.21 | latenite | vk01__, nice now all is fine again https://gist.github.com/2819159 thank you tons :D |
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| 13:25.34 | vk01__ | latenite, np, glad to help -- was it recreating the partition table that fixed it? |
| 13:26.11 | latenite | yes by simply doing "partprobe" |
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| 13:34.29 | latenite | vk01__, now I only have to wait 689 minutes until my raid is build |
| 13:34.40 | latenite | vk01__, crazy :/ |
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| 13:35.29 | jelly | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 13:35.30 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on i386 -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-3; sid: 1:6.14.4-4 |
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| 13:35.36 | Thor | hi everyone |
| 13:35.42 | Thor | I'm using last debian (stable) |
| 13:35.50 | jelly | Black_Prince: tried the squeeze-backports driver and xorg? |
| 13:35.51 | Thor | and I have problems accessing a USB 3 drive |
| 13:36.12 | Thor | so far, it doesn't even appear in /dev |
| 13:36.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell Black_Prince about bdo xorg |
| 13:36.49 | Thor | the disk detects the usb3 port, since its LED has two colors, white for USB1/2 and blue for USB3. |
| 13:36.52 | Thor | It's currently blue. |
| 13:36.57 | Thor | any clue ? |
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| 13:37.36 | abrotman | checked dmesg? |
| 13:37.51 | Thor | me ? |
| 13:38.01 | Thor | no. |
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| 13:38.06 | Thor | I'll do right now. |
| 13:38.10 | Thor | do it* |
| 13:38.28 | Thor | oh |
| 13:38.33 | Thor | well, thanks :) |
| 13:39.05 | sevenfourk | guys..anyone using mpg123? |
| 13:39.12 | Thor | it cycle on this : |
| 13:39.14 | Thor | [69301.448018] usb 1-2: device not accepting address 0, error -71 |
| 13:39.15 | Thor | [69301.448071] hub 1-0:1.0: cannot disable port 2 (err = -32) |
| 13:39.15 | Thor | [69301.448119] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 |
| 13:39.15 | Thor | [69301.448161] hub 1-0:1.0: cannot disable port 2 (err = -32) |
| 13:39.15 | *** kick/#debian [Thor!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste) |
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| 13:39.20 | abrotman | saw that coming |
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| 13:39.25 | Thor | comeon... |
| 13:39.27 | abrotman | Thor: paste.debian.net |
| 13:39.30 | Thor | that's 5 lines |
| 13:39.33 | abrotman | Thor: and what's uname -r ? |
| 13:39.37 | Thor | yes I know pastebins. |
| 13:39.53 | Thor | I just thought that for 5 lines I could paste here. |
| 13:39.55 | Thor | anyway |
| 13:40.03 | Thor | do it again and I'll talk using pastebin |
| 13:40.09 | Thor | (yeay I know it's a bot) |
| 13:40.09 | dvs | !tell Thor about paste |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | Thor: uname -r |
| 13:40.32 | Thor | abrotman: 2.6 amd64 |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | Thor: that's not what it says ... |
| 13:40.41 | Thor | like I said |
| 13:40.43 | Thor | last debian |
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| 13:40.48 | great4free | http://www.reddit.com/r/nsfwhot/comments/u7tbd/german_blondebig_boobs_girl_likes_quickie_sex_on/ GERMAN GIRLS GONE WILD AND FUCKED IN TRAIN BY TRAVELER HOT AMATEUR PORN MOVIE |
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| 13:41.09 | Thor | no, it also says 32-5 |
| 13:41.12 | abrotman | !tell Thor about bdo |
| 13:41.12 | Thor | but well |
| 13:41.30 | abrotman | Thor: try the linux-image-amd64 package from backports.debian.org .. see what the bot told you, see instructions on their site |
| 13:41.43 | Thor | oh |
| 13:41.43 | joar | abrotman: that took you approx 5 seconds. Impressive! |
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| 13:41.52 | Thor | the bot, on my 60th buffer. |
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| 13:41.54 | Thor | of course! |
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| 13:42.11 | abrotman | joar: be better if the network spam bot had killed it |
| 13:42.29 | Thor | abrotman: what's with backport ? |
| 13:43.03 | abrotman | Thor: backports.debian.org has some newer packages that are shoehorned to work on stable .. some of them are pretty useful, such as having a new kernel for newer hardware support |
| 13:43.06 | Thor | abrotman: does USB3 only work with linux 0.8 ? |
| 13:43.11 | Thor | </troll> |
| 13:43.25 | Thor | oh that's logical. Back = new. |
| 13:43.31 | Thor | I should have guessed it |
| 13:43.37 | nsadmin | Thor, act like you want answers (by volunteering complete information) and not like you're here to waste time (by keeping part of the info to yourself and not saying what part is what) |
| 13:43.39 | abrotman | they're backporting from testing/unstable |
| 13:43.52 | __name__ | It ports BACK new packages to OLD versions of Debian |
| 13:43.59 | abrotman | oh, i was hoping nsadmin took the holiday off .. |
| 13:43.59 | Thor | nsadmin: I'm sorry, but well, I didn't thought the paste limit was said on 2. |
| 13:44.05 | Thor | nsadmin: it's a bit harsh, you know. |
| 13:44.05 | __name__ | It makes perfect sense unless you're intentionally misread it. |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | Thor: please ignore nsadmin .. he's a bit stuffed |
| 13:44.31 | nsadmin | Thor, then use a pastebin |
| 13:44.31 | __name__ | *you |
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| 13:45.03 | Thor | http://paste.debian.net/171546/ |
| 13:45.16 | Thor | http://paste.debian.net/171547/ |
| 13:45.25 | abrotman | Thor: the bot already gave you the answer |
| 13:45.32 | Thor | http://paste.debian.net/171548/ |
| 13:45.39 | nsadmin | Thor, there are a lot of folks here... anyway, thaanks for pastbinning the stuff |
| 13:45.49 | Thor | http://paste.debian.net/171549/ |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | oh dear god |
| 13:45.57 | Thor | no problems. |
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| 13:46.34 | engla | what a jerk |
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| 13:46.41 | abrotman | which one? |
| 13:46.45 | Thor | me. of course. |
| 13:46.46 | engla | Thor: |
| 13:47.02 | Thor | The funny stuff in that is that you have to pastebin at least 3 lines of code. |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | maybe nsadmin shouldn't have said anything .. but hey, why would common sense stop him |
| 13:47.09 | Thor | and here, you can't paste more than 2. |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | Thor: the limit is four |
| 13:47.21 | Thor | the bot says 2 |
| 13:47.26 | abrotman | nope |
| 13:47.28 | Thor | but maybe |
| 13:47.38 | Thor | 15:40 <dpkg> dvs wants you to know: Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. |
| 13:47.39 | nsadmin | Thor, where? |
| 13:47.40 | abrotman | it may say that it's considered rude to paste more than two .. but the kick limit is four |
| 13:47.41 | cedr | lol, a little hurt are we? |
| 13:47.52 | Thor | nsadmin: in private, so I pasted it back. |
| 13:47.59 | Thor | Sorry, I didn't pastebin-ed it |
| 13:48.06 | Thor | but it takes a lot of time for simple sentences. |
| 13:48.19 | cedr | you could use a script |
| 13:48.20 | Thor | abrotman: ah okay |
| 13:48.27 | abrotman | Thor: are you making out with the instructions on the webpage? |
| 13:48.33 | nsadmin | Thor, no worries, you're really trying to be cooperative |
| 13:48.34 | Sm0ke0ut | does it really have to be that melodramatic ? :-/ |
| 13:48.48 | Thor | cedr: the only useful script would be to automatically pastebin on paste.debian.net if I'm trying to paste more than 2 lines here. |
| 13:49.04 | cedr | well, irssi has a large-paste catcher |
| 13:49.05 | Thor | cedr: and then to write down the paste.debian.net url instead of the paste content. |
| 13:49.17 | Thor | cedr: I pressed ^K |
| 13:49.18 | cedr | couldn't be tooo hard to re-code that to work with a paste service |
| 13:49.23 | Thor | cedr: if that's what you mean |
| 13:49.31 | Thor | ah yes |
| 13:49.33 | Thor | indeed. |
| 13:49.34 | abrotman | oh jesus .. just drop it and move on |
| 13:49.47 | abrotman | get back to actually helping the fellow |
| 13:49.57 | Thor | abrotman: the thing is: I sometimes type very fast |
| 13:49.59 | joar | Thor: has your problem been solved? |
| 13:50.10 | Thor | abrotman: and it could happen that I would be kicked by just "talking" |
| 13:50.16 | engla | why help someone who acts like he/she's a hotshot that doesn't care to be here? |
| 13:50.20 | Thor | abrotman: if I type 4 sentences in a few seconds |
| 13:50.25 | Thor | joar: more or less. |
| 13:50.39 | nsadmin | cedr, there's two or three (two packaged, the good one is libapp-nopaste-perl) |
| 13:50.40 | Thor | joar: I have to try the solutions which have been given here before saying so |
| 13:50.55 | cedr | ah nice |
| 13:51.03 | cedr | i run my own service, but shouldn't be too hard to modify |
| 13:51.08 | abrotman | Thor: so put more stuff on a line |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:51.11 | cedr | (since it's just a perl script) |
| 13:51.13 | joar | Thor: chop chop ;) |
| 13:51.22 | abrotman | Thor: how's your kernel upgrade going ? |
| 13:51.23 | Thor | engla: 'cause I got a debian mug and once thought that Debian was the best distro ever ? |
| 13:51.35 | Thor | (that said, some packages can get very old) |
| 13:51.38 | abrotman | engla: you're welcome to use /ignore ;) |
| 13:52.15 | Thor | abrotman: I try to, but I can't help... Sometimes I just press enter before I actually see it |
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| 13:52.30 | Thor | true, if you don't want to read me, just ignore me. |
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| 13:52.37 | Thor | I won't bite. |
| 13:52.44 | ratatata | nu |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | Thor: instructions on the website? |
| 13:52.53 | Thor | abrotman: what website ? |
| 13:53.07 | abrotman | the one the bot told you about, for backports.debian.org |
| 13:53.07 | Thor | oh yes |
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| 13:53.07 | Thor | sorry |
| 13:53.20 | Thor | Yes I'm trying this asap. |
| 13:53.33 | Thor | thanks for the help btw. |
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| 13:59.44 | Thor | abrotman: would Debian automatically boot on Linux 3.2 if I just restart it ? |
| 13:59.54 | Thor | abrotman: or would I have to manually update grub ? |
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| 14:00.27 | nsadmin | installing the package should update grub |
| 14:00.37 | joar | Thor: usually when I get kernel upgrades, it adds two entries at the top of my grub menu. |
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| 14:00.46 | Thor | joar: fine :) |
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| 14:00.53 | Thor | nsadmin: thanks :) |
| 14:01.01 | joar | although I'm on wheezy. |
| 14:01.21 | joar | afaik you're on squeeze. |
| 14:01.39 | Thor | oh btw |
| 14:01.42 | mjmt | Debian mug! Sold! |
| 14:01.47 | Thor | I have a realtek iface |
| 14:01.49 | nsadmin | Thor, if you're on stable, the 3.2 kernel is in backports... the one not in backports is the official release kerne; |
| 14:01.50 | Thor | eth0 |
| 14:02.00 | Thor | will it still work with Linux 3.2 ? |
| 14:02.20 | Thor | nsadmin: I have it installed already :) |
| 14:02.28 | nsadmin | wait, is there a specific reason to upgrade your kernel? |
| 14:02.47 | Thor | USB3 not working ? |
| 14:03.07 | nsadmin | oh, ok, and that's supported in 3.2.x I guess? |
| 14:03.12 | Thor | I dunno |
| 14:03.25 | Thor | I'm not a big fan of usb stuff and all :) |
| 14:03.56 | Thor | but well, if it doesn't work with 2.6 (I can understand why, considering how 2.6 is old now), it might work better with 3.2 |
| 14:03.56 | nsadmin | ok, you should find out first... and, if you didn't remove the older kernel, you still have it and they should both appear in the boot menu |
| 14:03.59 | Thor | The thing is... |
| 14:04.21 | Thor | I don't have the boot menu since the system runs on a distant server... |
| 14:04.29 | Thor | it would need a KVM or something |
| 14:04.36 | Thor | but well |
| 14:04.43 | Thor | let's pray ;P |
| 14:04.54 | Thor | afterall usb is plug and pray, isn't it ? |
| 14:05.14 | Thor | let's test a reboot. |
| 14:05.33 | nsadmin | what would happen if the reboot didn't work? |
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| 14:05.47 | nsadmin | is there nothing on it yet? |
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| 14:06.08 | abrotman | Thor: did you install it already? |
| 14:06.16 | Thor | abrotman: yes :) |
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| 14:06.20 | abrotman | Thor: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 ? |
| 14:06.26 | Thor | hmm, according to what I've found... the old kernel I had supported USB3 too |
| 14:06.38 | abrotman | Thor: but it may not have supported your device |
| 14:06.46 | nsadmin | then, what was the purpose? |
| 14:06.55 | Thor | abrotman: with linux-image-3.2 something amd64 instead of the package you just mentionned, but yes |
| 14:07.12 | abrotman | Thor: okay, then grub should be set to boot it |
| 14:07.18 | Thor | let's try a ssh connect to see if the ethernet driver is okay |
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| 14:07.29 | Thor | it seems to work fine :D |
| 14:07.31 | Thor | \o/ |
| 14:07.42 | Thor | and the kernel is 3.2 |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | Thor: and your device? |
| 14:07.51 | Thor | let's see if /dev is fully populated. |
| 14:08.02 | Thor | it shows |
| 14:08.08 | Thor | Thanks a LOT dudes. |
| 14:08.09 | nsadmin | Thor, congratulations. and, you shouldn't do things in this order when this server is in production |
| 14:08.23 | Thor | Sorry for having pissed off just before. |
| 14:08.38 | Thor | nsadmin: the server is more or less in production but |
| 14:08.50 | Thor | nsadmin: I can re-install it if something goes wrong |
| 14:09.03 | Thor | nsadmin: so no worries :P but thanks for the advice anyway. |
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| 14:09.13 | Thor | having been* |
| 14:09.21 | Thor | wow, I should re-read myself before posting. |
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| 14:09.43 | abrotman | Thor: does the device work ? |
| 14:10.12 | Thor | perfectly. |
| 14:10.15 | Thor | great |
| 14:10.17 | Thor | thanks again. |
| 14:10.26 | nsadmin | so you're saying (things like) the database is loaded and active, the web server connects to it and has all its pages, and (most indicatively) people are using it now? |
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| 14:10.34 | Thor | it is shown in lsusb and all, too. |
| 14:10.45 | Thor | so, it behaves just fine. |
| 14:10.46 | abrotman | Thor: enjoy, have a good day |
| 14:10.50 | nsadmin | (when you say "it's sorta in production") |
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| 14:11.04 | Thor | nsadmin: the server has no users for the moment. |
| 14:11.11 | Thor | nsadmin: excepted me of course. |
| 14:11.23 | Thor | else I wouldn't have tried such a thing |
| 14:11.30 | Thor | abrotman: thanks, you too! |
| 14:11.39 | Thor | nsadmin: it was in production |
| 14:11.42 | Thor | nsadmin: it will be again |
| 14:11.59 | Thor | nsadmin: but for this week end, it's kinda "in maintenance" |
| 14:12.04 | Thor | and the data is backuped of course. |
| 14:12.20 | nsadmin | good, and that should include the site files |
| 14:12.44 | Thor | tar -cf / |
| 14:12.55 | Thor | so I take that EVERYTHING has been backed up. |
| 14:13.04 | Thor | even meaningless links. |
| 14:13.11 | Thor | and such. |
| 14:13.55 | Thor | the whole backup is compressed in bz2 and is several GB. |
| 14:14.06 | Thor | but I can mount it if I need some files in it. |
| 14:14.29 | Thor | anyway, thanks again, and please accept my apologies about the paste-thing. |
| 14:14.39 | Thor | have a nice day everyone. |
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| 14:17.36 | dizzylizzy | yay problemsolving |
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| 14:23.22 | Lejda | hey guys |
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| 14:24.55 | nsadmin | Lejda, heya. welcome to debian support |
| 14:26.30 | Lejda | i'm just looking for a whats up. |
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| 14:27.26 | nsadmin | oh, that's not support... you'll want to join #debian-offtopic for stuff like that |
| 14:28.30 | nsadmin | others will want that worded stronger, I refuse because I will not pull cop duties |
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| 14:34.20 | debint | hello, I have a big problem with debian |
| 14:34.32 | dvs | uh oh |
| 14:34.41 | debint | when I copy something to a flash drive |
| 14:34.55 | thomaschaaf | debint: your computer explodes? |
| 14:34.56 | dvs | !tell debint about enter |
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| 14:35.10 | debint | no |
| 14:35.21 | thomaschaaf | debint: oh well it was a guess |
| 14:35.22 | debint | when I copy anything to the flash drive |
| 14:35.23 | mjmt | !tell mjmt about enter |
| 14:35.31 | debint | it says deneid |
| 14:35.40 | thomaschaaf | !tell thomaschaaf about enter |
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| 14:36.19 | debint | And I cant copy anything to any flash drive |
| 14:36.26 | mjmt | debint: How did you mount the drive? |
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| 14:36.42 | debint | auto |
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| 14:36.52 | thomaschaaf | any syslogs? |
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| 14:37.06 | debint | syslogs? |
| 14:37.21 | thomaschaaf | is this a server or desktop? |
| 14:37.33 | thomaschaaf | open a terminal with tailf /var/log/syslog |
| 14:37.39 | debint | desktop |
| 14:37.40 | thomaschaaf | and then unplug and replug the drive |
| 14:38.41 | debint | sorry, how can I do syslog? |
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| 14:39.08 | thomaschaaf | First open up a terminal. |
| 14:39.13 | RBV | debint: Use the tail command to watch the end or 'tail' the file |
| 14:39.27 | nsadmin | debint, you'd need to be more careful, but you can do the copy as root |
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| 14:39.51 | thomaschaaf | Then the next thing you want to do is type into it "tailf /var/log/syslog" and hit enter. This will output any changes that happen |
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| 14:40.14 | debint | I have read it but it dont say nothing about flashdrive |
| 14:40.25 | Tyris | I've having a problem with permissions in /dev - non-root users can't even 'ls /dev' despite everything being 664 or similar |
| 14:40.58 | nsadmin | Tyris, this is on an installation of debian? |
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| 14:41.07 | RBV | Tyris: Is this a VPS? |
| 14:41.08 | Tyris | I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze |
| 14:41.12 | Tyris | yes it is a VPS |
| 14:41.16 | RBV | heh |
| 14:41.21 | Tyris | kernal issue...? |
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| 14:41.42 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe that;s a good thing (for security reasons) |
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| 14:41.54 | Tyris | I found a slicehost bug report saying a particular kernal seemed to have this issue; but I'm not on that kernal |
| 14:42.05 | Tyris | Well; the main issue currently is that I'm getting perm denied for /dev/null |
| 14:42.10 | joar | Tyris: RBV: I've had the same problem, I hacked it with chmod. |
| 14:42.21 | RBV | Tyris: What are you actually trying to do that you ecounter that problem? run screen? |
| 14:42.30 | Tyris | chmod 777 -R /dev doesn't help (nor the saner 664) |
| 14:42.31 | nsadmin | Tyris, ls -ld / /dev |
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| 14:42.54 | joar | Tyris: I believe running `screen` will fail with a something something PTY error? |
| 14:42.57 | Tyris | drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 May 28 12:43 / |
| 14:42.57 | Tyris | drw-rw-r-- 10 root root 13880 May 28 14:21 /dev |
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| 14:43.10 | Tyris | particular thing I'm trying to do is run ssh |
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| 14:43.32 | nsadmin | the lack of +x is what's preventing ls on that dir |
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| 14:43.50 | Tyris | really |
| 14:43.53 | nsadmin | but / looks ok |
| 14:43.55 | RBV | Same problem I have had in the past, you acn't run ssh now because you goofed up the perms on ssh file |
| 14:43.58 | cyanboy | Hi, I just wodered, but how do you upgrade to Wheezy? |
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| 14:45.01 | Tyris | everything was fine before upgrade to squeeze... then all the /dev perms seemed to go strange... random and urandom too |
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| 14:45.33 | RBV | does sshd not even run or you just can't get a shell with it? |
| 14:45.35 | nsadmin | Tyris, just chmod +x /dev should do what you need |
| 14:45.54 | Tyris | yeah, did that thx nsadmin , can do an ls now |
| 14:46.02 | Tyris | now I'm getting permission denied on /dev/tty |
| 14:46.06 | Tyris | what should perms be there? |
| 14:46.14 | nsadmin | now the perms should be like / |
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| 14:46.56 | Tyris | hangon, pasting |
| 14:47.03 | RBV | Tyris: the idea is you don't want people to be able to view tty's if they aren't their own |
| 14:47.06 | Tyris | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/083de820/ |
| 14:47.16 | Tyris | urh, cmd was: ssh -f -N -D 0.0.0.0:1080 localhost -v |
| 14:48.19 | cyanboy | Hi, how do you upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy? Do you just change the sources list? |
| 14:48.43 | Kaede | You can use pinning or you can dist-upgrade |
| 14:48.50 | nsadmin | !squeeze>wheezy |
| 14:48.55 | dvs | !iyhtays Kaede |
| 14:48.55 | dpkg | Kaede: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 14:49.16 | zlude | Hello, i have a one user that just can access one folder! but this is a subdirectory. So use chown -R user:user to this subdir. then i put all another users in this group of new user! So, when i go to dir with root and run "su newuser"Hello, i have a one user that just can access one folder! but this is a subdirectory. So use chown -R newuser:newuser to this subdir. then i put all another users in this group of new user! So, when i go to dir with root and r |
| 14:49.17 | zlude | un "su newuser" i can create and edit all files! NICE! but when i login with this newuser in SSH and type cd /home/site/edit/category/NEWUSERFOLDER all dir are from GROUP called SITE the SUBDIR called NEWUSERDIR is from group NEWUSER. i get PERMISSION DENIED! how to to this user to access this subdir? |
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| 14:49.31 | gnugr | !tell cyanboy -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:50.11 | Loonatic | Hi, is there a way to force the update of sendmail on a Debian machine apt-get install sendmail tell me i am at the latest...but i am still running 8.14.3-9.4 |
| 14:50.17 | nsadmin | looks like it's not called that |
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| 14:50.47 | Tyris | RBV, don't really know what that means with regards to my problem |
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| 14:50.58 | joar | Loonatic: where do you get the information about what version you are running from? |
| 14:51.36 | allanozzolo | cat /etc/issue |
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| 14:51.51 | allanozzolo | XD |
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| 14:52.33 | joar | Loonatic: did you run sendmail -v or similar or did you check through your package manager? |
| 14:52.35 | RBV | Tyris: chgrp tty /dev/tty && chmod 666 /dev/tty |
| 14:52.36 | zlude | Someone can help me? http://pastebin.com/7D9Se3NV |
| 14:53.23 | Tyris | does that mean all the ownership of files in my /dev/ have been broken? |
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| 14:53.46 | RBV | Sounds like it - but a lot of VPS will set it up funny and it can be hard to use somethings like screen etc |
| 14:53.52 | Loonatic | joar: dpkg -l | grep sendmail | sendmail 8.14.3-9.4 |
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| 14:53.59 | joar | Tyris: it's what it meant for me, and IIRC it happened after an upgrade |
| 14:54.07 | Tyris | I've never had an issue since originally installing lenny about 18 months ago |
| 14:54.23 | joar | Loonatic: and what about apt-cache show sendmail? |
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| 14:54.44 | joar | Tyris: I hadn't either. |
| 14:54.48 | joar | then I had it twice. |
| 14:54.49 | RBV | Tyris: I've done similar things on accident, probably the same as you |
| 14:54.56 | joar | on two different machines |
| 14:55.00 | Tyris | RBV, now I'm getting : debug1: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: Input/output error |
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| 14:55.24 | Loonatic | joar: same version on the apt-cache show sendmail |
| 14:55.50 | joar | zlude: wall of text, please structure your document |
| 14:56.18 | joar | Loonatic: what version were you expecting? |
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| 14:56.26 | joar | and where did you get that version number from? |
| 14:56.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Loonatic about stable |
| 14:56.47 | Loonatic | joar: need to update to 8.14.4 minimum |
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| 14:57.30 | Haris | Hello folks, guys, all |
| 14:57.32 | Haris | Is lenny dead ? |
| 14:57.34 | joar | ,version sendmail |
| 14:57.35 | judd | Package: sendmail on i386 -- lenny: 8.14.3-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 8.14.3-5+lenny1; squeeze: 8.14.3-9.4; sid: 8.14.4-2.1; wheezy: 8.14.4-2.1 |
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| 14:57.48 | Haris | or do debian mirrors still have it somewhere ? |
| 14:57.57 | joar | Loonatic: You are running stable/squeeze, is that correct? |
| 14:58.00 | Haris | I checked US, UK, CA, SE mirrors. They don't have it |
| 14:58.23 | nkuttler | !tell Haris about archive |
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| 14:58.48 | Haris | what does archive tools have to do with debian mirrors ? |
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| 14:59.01 | Haris | ah that |
| 14:59.35 | Haris | i686 is not 64 bit, correct ? |
| 14:59.36 | joar | ;) |
| 14:59.41 | dalias | right |
| 14:59.56 | themill | Loonatic: why? |
| 14:59.58 | joar | then what is i386? |
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| 15:00.44 | Haris | I'm at http://www.debian.org/ports/i386/ |
| 15:00.48 | themill | Haris: I guess you're just playing with lenny so you can belatedly do your lenny->squeeze testing... |
| 15:00.52 | Haris | it has no info on mirrors for lenny |
| 15:01.00 | joar | Loonatic: If you are running stable, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get sendmail won't get you anything higher than 1.4.3-9.4 |
| 15:01.04 | Haris | na, this is a production box I need tcpdump on |
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| 15:01.25 | Haris | I can't find a mirror for lenny that it can get build-essential from |
| 15:01.29 | themill | Haris: that's not a good situation to be in |
| 15:01.44 | Loonatic | joar: sorry miss the last post, yes running 6.0.5 |
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| 15:01.53 | Haris | I'm having attacks on dns server. I need tcpdump |
| 15:02.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Haris about lenny sources.list |
| 15:02.02 | Loonatic | joar: so then i need to force it with something like dpkg ? right ? |
| 15:02.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Haris about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:02.29 | joar | Loonatic: Yeah, I guess it would be possible to fetch the testing package and try to install it. |
| 15:02.30 | Haris | got it. Thank yolu |
| 15:02.33 | Haris | you+ |
| 15:02.40 | joar | as long as you have the deps it'd be safe. |
| 15:02.40 | themill | Haris: so running a publicly-facing server that is under attack with a software stack that doesn't have security support. nice work. |
| 15:02.55 | joar | \o/ |
| 15:03.04 | Loonatic | joar: thanks you put me in the right track i will go read a bit cheers |
| 15:03.20 | Haris | Well, having debian on it was surely not my idea |
| 15:03.31 | joar | Loonatic: Good luch :) |
| 15:03.31 | allanozzolo | guys, do u know some debian repositories for cinnamon? and for E17? |
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| 15:03.49 | themill | Haris: umm... debian isn't the problem. Not looking after the installation is the problem. |
| 15:03.56 | Haris | ah |
| 15:04.24 | Haris | is a straight forward update or upgrade possible on lenny without borking the box ? |
| 15:04.32 | Haris | via apt-get or aptitute |
| 15:04.35 | Haris | aptitude+ |
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| 15:04.54 | joar | I heard it's better to not do dist-upgrade via aptitude. |
| 15:05.11 | themill | Haris: it's normally straight forward, but it's never a good idea to be doing these things in a rush under that sort of pressure. Do follow the procedure in the release notes. |
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| 15:06.04 | joar | the reason stated was that it was "too smart" in that it'd try to find solutions that were undesirable, and that the chance is higher that aptitude screws it up if there are a lot of nodes involved (i.e. packages). |
| 15:06.31 | Haris | that is how I see it as well |
| 15:06.41 | Haris | I'v tried it and resented it |
| 15:06.53 | joar | Then we're two. |
| 15:07.03 | cassiel | Hi there, I can't boot my debian box since friday, the system hangs at boot because it can't find my lvm partitions |
| 15:07.35 | cassiel | I was downgrading some packages, after a lack of energy I can't boot |
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| 15:08.45 | cassiel | any hints? I can't set a valid root fs in grub2 shell... |
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| 15:09.22 | cassiel | debian rescue disk also can't mount rootfs as specified |
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| 15:11.44 | boudiccas | cassiel: have you got good backups? it might need a reinstall |
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| 15:12.30 | cassiel | boudiccas: I have got backups of my sites and db |
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| 15:12.41 | cassiel | boudiccas: I should backup /etc |
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| 15:13.15 | doublehp | hello. 2d ago, I had been playing a log with NFS; I thought I could not make it work. Today, "mount" says this "192.168.0.5:/mnt/big on /mnt/big type nfs (rw,vers=4,addr=192.168.0.5,clientaddr=192.168.0.16)"; after umount, I try to re-mount it => mount.nfs: No such device . Anyclue how I can do it again ? |
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| 15:14.07 | cassiel | boudiccas: my guess is that initrd is incorrect |
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| 15:22.05 | sussudio | doublehp: i think i fixed the freezing up on the server... was caused by udev trying to mount something bluetooth. why bluetooth is even present on a server is a mystery to me. |
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| 15:22.39 | sussudio | or why udev is allowed to freeze up the entire computer for 15 minutes at a time... |
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| 15:23.22 | doublehp | sussudio: does this BT mount use fuse ? |
| 15:23.47 | sussudio | doublehp: i already stopped fuse, didn't make a different. just rmmod'ed everything bluetooth and it stopped. |
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| 15:24.23 | doublehp | makes sens: nothing in logs, can not be seen un df -h ... |
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| 15:25.23 | doublehp | sussudio: still, you should look why it was trying to mount it |
| 15:25.27 | sussudio | still wonder what it was even trying to mount. bluetooth still has security, right? |
| 15:25.32 | ronny | hi |
| 15:25.49 | sussudio | there was nothing in the logs |
| 15:26.00 | doublehp | sussudio: BT is just a hardware link, just like sata or USB; you gotta find why it tries to mount it |
| 15:26.10 | ronny | somehow muting my soundcard will mute 2 mixers while unmuting will only unmute one of the 2 (thus leaving it silent) |
| 15:26.11 | sussudio | it wouldn't be trying to mount something stupid like someone's phone, would it |
| 15:26.19 | ronny | is there a way to figure why that is? |
| 15:26.19 | doublehp | sussudio: plus, all BT layers are usually hotplug, so, they include short timeouts ... usually |
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| 15:27.15 | doublehp | sussudio: you still need to track the source of the issue: udev, hotplug, bluedaemons ... |
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| 15:28.22 | sussudio | doublehp: well, i removed the bluetooth modules and it stopped. it's a colocated server, so i have no physical access to it. |
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| 15:28.50 | doublehp | sussudio: does it have bluetooth hardware ? |
| 15:29.08 | doublehp | sussudio: you may see it in lsusb |
| 15:29.09 | zlude | Please! someone can help me? http://pastebin.com/n09iW1uH |
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| 15:29.53 | doublehp | zlude: we need "ls -lha" on both folders, and also "id" from all users" |
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| 15:31.22 | doublehp | sussudio: my desktop has Bus 005 Device 002: ID 1131:1004 Integrated System Solution Corp. Bluetooth Device ; but it's really an external usb one |
| 15:31.30 | sussudio | doublehp: Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub | Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub | Avocent Corp. Dell 03R874 KVM dongle | Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub | Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
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| 15:32.33 | doublehp | sussudio: how to know which package lsusb belongs to ? |
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| 15:32.52 | sussudio | ? |
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| 15:33.05 | mjmt | doublehp: dpkg -S `which lsusb` |
| 15:33.38 | doublehp | installing it on my phone, to see how it looks like in a mobile phone |
| 15:34.13 | doublehp | sussudio: try lshm ; if you don't find any bluetoot, then, look if you have any bluetooth package, and remove them |
| 15:34.27 | doublehp | sussudio: rmmod will be forgotten over reboot |
| 15:34.48 | doublehp | zlude: still waiting your pastes |
| 15:34.58 | sussudio | doublehp: no, i disabled it somewhere |
| 15:35.17 | doublehp | sussudio: if you don't have hardware, you wan remove software |
| 15:35.39 | sussudio | pf-31 off |
| 15:35.43 | mjmt | Or if you don't have it: apt-file update; apt-file search bin/lsusb |
| 15:35.44 | sussudio | something like that... |
| 15:36.18 | zlude | doublehp: http://pastebin.com/bCu0zFcM |
| 15:36.25 | doublehp | mjmt: I have one laptop with everything; -S is fine, if I remember it |
| 15:36.35 | sussudio | doublehp: also, it won't let me remove the bluetooth package without half of the installed other packages, for some reason. |
| 15:36.48 | sussudio | dependencies are fucked up. |
| 15:36.53 | zlude | doublehp: forget the "SMnet/" |
| 15:37.10 | joar | zlude: please include any output of `ls -l` for those directories, include step for step which commands you've run. |
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| 15:37.34 | joar | zlude: Oh, nevermind. You've already done that :) |
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| 15:38.01 | doublehp | sussudio: hmmm ... you may have a virtual package depending on it; remove the virtual package, querry to install all deps (so that they are not removed with the virtual), and then you can remove the useless dep |
| 15:38.02 | zlude | joar: :) please, i need help :( |
| 15:38.11 | joar | zlude: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc#Beprecise for future reference |
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| 15:38.38 | sussudio | doublehp: since it's not my server, i won't mess around with it too much. |
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| 15:39.04 | biberao2 | hi |
| 15:39.15 | zlude | joar: thanks! |
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| 15:39.24 | doublehp | zlude: /home/sites/my.com lacks world execuriont : chmod +x .... |
| 15:39.28 | doublehp | a+x |
| 15:39.31 | biberao2 | is it possible to prevent apache2 to start i just needed htdigest and htpasswd |
| 15:39.40 | biberao2 | ? |
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| 15:39.56 | doublehp | biberao2: can remove it, or remove link from /etc/rc2.d |
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| 15:40.09 | abrotman | biberao2: update-rc.d |
| 15:40.20 | biberao2 | ok will do thanks |
| 15:40.31 | zlude | doublehp, i need chmod a+x in /home/sites/my.com? |
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| 15:41.00 | doublehp | y |
| 15:41.24 | themill | biberao2: since those tools are in the apache2.2-utils package, you should be able to install them without installing the apache daemon anyway |
| 15:41.27 | biberao2 | i installed the tools |
| 15:41.29 | biberao2 | ya TheAvatar |
| 15:41.35 | biberao2 | themill ya |
| 15:41.41 | biberao2 | i figured that out :X |
| 15:42.03 | biberao2 | what could be the permissions for the password file? |
| 15:42.43 | doublehp | zlude: execution for a file means run it; read means read; on a folder, x means cd (enter), and read means list. You don't need read to run a file, but you always need x to list a folder; if you have x but not r on a folder, you can cd to it, but not list it. if you are going in a subfolder, x is usually enough, for security reasons |
| 15:43.14 | doublehp | biberao2: could: any ; should: 644 |
| 15:43.49 | zlude | doublehp: i need use -R? |
| 15:43.54 | doublehp | n |
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| 15:45.01 | zlude | doublehp: Thank you very much! it works! :D weeeee |
| 15:45.02 | biberao2 | doublehp damn it doesnt seem to accept it hehe |
| 15:45.57 | doublehp | zlude: in 644 , first is user, second is group, 3rd is world; in Linux, a user is only "one user" (in other systems, a user can have several UIDs at a time); |
| 15:46.14 | doublehp | zlude: the good solution would be to make every single user of group 2 also belong to group 1 |
| 15:46.24 | doublehp | zlude: this would avoid to have to open your folder to the world |
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| 15:46.33 | doublehp | biberao2: RO FS ? |
| 15:46.38 | biberao2 | ah? |
| 15:46.42 | biberao2 | what do you mean? |
| 15:46.47 | doublehp | read only / ? |
| 15:46.56 | biberao2 | i believe nginx has broken digest |
| 15:46.56 | biberao2 | stuff |
| 15:47.59 | doublehp | zlude: UNIX file properties are a very basic and important concept; it's radically different from Microsoft NT concepts (where a user can be several users; like in GNU Hurd to speak about open systems= |
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| 15:48.37 | zlude | doublehp: thanks again for explaining!! |
| 15:48.45 | doublehp | zlude: but a user can be in several groups; so, on Linux, you have to choose to either make the user belong to more groups, OR, open the folder to the world. |
| 15:48.50 | doublehp | zlude: read man chmod |
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| 15:49.04 | zlude | doublehp: ok! i will read! thanks again! |
| 15:49.38 | doublehp | zlude: it's very important, because, listing folders is usually forbidden, especially on webservers, for security reasons; will not prevent people doing bad stuff, but will slow them down a lot |
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| 16:01.37 | RupertPupkin | Hi. Once I burn the Debian livecd iso onto my usb drive, how do I add the nonfree firmware to it? |
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| 16:03.57 | Freeaqingme | Hi. I have an adapter eth0. On top of that there are two vlans configured eth0.1 & eth0.2. I want to call these myDsl1 & myDsl2. How could I achieve this naming best? |
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| 16:06.48 | doublehp | found a bug in top :(((((( |
| 16:06.57 | doublehp | NO I DON'T WANT TO REPORT ANY MORE BUG |
| 16:07.34 | doublehp | any one wish to report it for me ? |
| 16:07.41 | themill | dpkg: tell doublehp about reportbug |
| 16:08.19 | doublehp | themill I know how to do it; i just don't want to spend time on it |
| 16:08.43 | Freeaqingme | doublehp, if I report it, will you fix it? ;) |
| 16:08.43 | doublehp | but, it's top !!! so it's very important :/ stopped reporting debian bugs in 2006 |
| 16:08.46 | themill | the time you've already spent yelling in here about it is approximately the time required to run reportbug |
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| 16:09.39 | doublehp | themill you forget about the time i will spend when reporters will want my contribution to test the fix ... |
| 16:09.40 | RupertPupkin | The Debian wiki says "Just download the tarball for the correct release and unpack it to the file system on the medium." |
| 16:09.43 | Bytes | hello |
| 16:09.59 | RupertPupkin | But how do I unpack it onto the usb containing the livecd iso? |
| 16:10.09 | doublehp | themill does reportbug use curl, or mail to send reports ? |
| 16:10.14 | Bytes | i've been using xubuntu for a while now, and am thinking of switching to debian, should i go with testing or stable? |
| 16:10.32 | Bytes | i mainly use my computer for surfing the web and programming |
| 16:10.38 | themill | Bytes: stable |
| 16:10.49 | themill | doublehp: and here were you saying you already knew that |
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| 16:10.59 | Bytes | that's what i was thinking of going with as well themill |
| 16:11.13 | Bytes | themill: could curcnhbang also be a viable option? |
| 16:11.16 | Vasistha | my .xsession-errors is logging almost 100 of theses 'open: No such file or directory' messages every second. How to trace the cause? |
| 16:11.18 | Bytes | crunchbang* |
| 16:11.19 | doublehp | themill the computer where I have the bug is minimalistic, and does not have mail; thus asking |
| 16:11.26 | themill | Bytes: you'd have to ask them |
| 16:11.35 | themill | doublehp: but you have an email client elsewhere... |
| 16:12.24 | doublehp | see what u mean |
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| 16:12.47 | doublehp | gonna be ... time consuming, to move the report: i am already unable to mount nfs ... |
| 16:12.50 | Bytes | will debian testing may even cause my computer to become completely unusuable? |
| 16:13.44 | themill | doublehp: can the machine connect to reportbug.debian.org:587? |
| 16:14.31 | doublehp | nope :D ... but, by the way, it should :/ ... |
| 16:14.43 | doublehp | ah yes |
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| 16:15.20 | rublind | is it possible to have aptitude run a specific patch for a specific package arbitrarily ? |
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| 16:18.41 | Bytes | does debian stable come with support for mp3 codecs? |
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| 16:19.37 | metaphysician | Bytes: support? Absolutely yes. |
| 16:19.42 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.21 | Bytes | is it possible to check if the fn keys on my laptop will work on debian? or will i just have to download, install, and check for myself? |
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| 16:20.31 | Bytes | i have a sony vaio vgn-nw240f |
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| 16:21.42 | metaphysician | Bytes: read http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 16:21.57 | doublehp | Bytes: many computing features are available in Linux a few years before Windows; Debian stable is a bit late, so, they may come there at most 6 months after Windows |
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| 16:22.14 | Bytes | okay thank you |
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| 16:22.21 | swerve | wth is "fonts-droid" and why should i need that for mythtv-common? |
| 16:22.53 | mjmt | swerve: Android font set. |
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| 16:23.15 | swerve | i gathered, but why is it necessary if I don't have a droid? and why won't it install? |
| 16:23.22 | swerve | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.30 | swerve | Lol - great! |
| 16:23.33 | dalias | what is "a droid" ? |
| 16:23.34 | mjmt | Might be in contrib? |
| 16:23.38 | dalias | "droid" is the name of the font |
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| 16:23.56 | doublehp | themill you lied me: http://pastebin.com/3pEnmzBc do i have to start over and say iu don't have internet at all ? |
| 16:23.56 | mjmt | No, main. |
| 16:23.56 | dalias | and mythtv uses that font or something |
| 16:24.36 | doublehp | themill right, i ll still try |
| 16:24.37 | swerve | droid is also a name of a phone, btw |
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| 16:24.52 | themill | doublehp: and did you answer "no" to that question? |
| 16:25.02 | swerve | and OS |
| 16:25.04 | doublehp | i m trying it |
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| 16:25.25 | themill | doublehp: please learn what "you lied" means, btw. |
| 16:25.28 | metaphysician | http://w3techs.com/technologies/breakdown/os-debian/top_level_domain "Usage of Debian (on webservers) broken down by top level domains" |
| 16:25.33 | doublehp | y, sorry |
| 16:25.33 | swerve | so how can I install mythtv on debian if this "droid" font isn't available? |
| 16:25.36 | Bytes | when i'm trying to make a live usb for debian netinstall, it won't let me through startup disk creator on xubuntu, it is giving me the error "An uncaught exception was raised invalid version string 'gnu linux' " |
| 16:25.36 | Vasistha | doublehp: I use reportbug to get the template, and then I copy the template and put it into my regular email client |
| 16:26.10 | rublind | anyone know the easiest way to have a patch auto-applied to a package? or do I have to submit the patch to the maintainers ? |
| 16:26.37 | swerve | never heard of anything so crazy. arch has like 1 myth package - you install it, and it's done. debian has like a zillion weird packages, not even in the main repos |
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| 16:27.22 | mjmt | swerve: FTP to your debian mirror, find it manually. Under /debian/pool/main/f/fonts-droid/ |
| 16:27.54 | themill | swerve: "not in the main repos" may well be an indicator of the problems with those packages, too |
| 16:28.02 | swerve | apt says it's not available - 'referred to by another pkg but not available," etc. |
| 16:28.04 | mjmt | Probably trying to avoid bundled themes looking crappy. |
| 16:28.35 | swerve | themill: I don't follow. it's in the main arch repos, and they don't really allow anything too wonky in there |
| 16:28.40 | themill | ,v fonts-droid |
| 16:28.42 | judd | Package: fonts-droid on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 20101110+git-3~bpo60+1; sid: 20111207+git-1; wheezy: 20111207+git-1 |
| 16:28.55 | themill | swerve: you need that package from backports. |
| 16:29.00 | themill | dpkg: tell swerve about bdo |
| 16:29.19 | swerve | ok - i have to change my sources.list to add backports? |
| 16:29.29 | themill | swerve: there's a big difference between throwing a random tarball up and making good, extensible packages. |
| 16:29.33 | Vasistha | rublind: auto-applied... to the one you are compiling yourself? Or to the official package debian distributes? Either way I don't know of a way to make it automatic; for the latter, it definitely has to go through the package maintainer |
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| 16:30.13 | rublind | Vasistha: okay, thank you |
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| 16:31.54 | swerve | so, knowing nothing yet about it, it seems odd to me that a font pkg would be held back or put in 'backports.' is a font pkg really going to become unstable? doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. why not just advance it along with whatever apparently needs it? |
| 16:32.28 | themill | swerve: that package didn't exist when squeeze was created |
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| 16:32.59 | themill | (also, font handling *does* change over time, so the font package needs to be built for the right release) |
| 16:33.27 | swerve | ok, so then why isn't it in unstable, or testing? |
| 16:33.39 | swerve | or just testing, I guess |
| 16:33.44 | themill | it is, that's what judd said |
| 16:34.17 | swerve | ok, that's installed, now let's see if myth installs. |
| 16:34.44 | swerve | now it's adding more fonts, lol..... |
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| 16:36.53 | swerve | now it won't install b/c not smart enough to know to pull in mythtv-front & -backend |
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| 16:37.54 | swerve | lol, so weird. like you can run myth w/out the backend? |
| 16:37.55 | themill | swerve: how are you actually installing this thing? |
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| 16:38.06 | swerve | i don't really get the debian way, tbh |
| 16:38.11 | swerve | thru apt-get |
| 16:38.11 | themill | swerve: sure. that's the point of having a "frontend" and a "backend" |
| 16:38.18 | themill | swerve: that tells me nothing... |
| 16:38.26 | swerve | apt-get install mythtv |
| 16:38.30 | themill | !pastebin |
| 16:38.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:38.42 | swerve | apt-get install mythtv-backend mythtv-frontend |
| 16:38.53 | themill | My ESP-over-IRC isn't going that well today. |
| 16:39.08 | swerve | then all kinds of dependency errors |
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| 16:39.45 | swerve | Depends: libmyth. apt-get install libmyth: "unable to locate package libmyth" LOL wtf? |
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| 16:40.24 | themill | dpkg: tell swerve about bat |
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| 16:40.48 | themill | swerve: full output not pre-digested gibberish... plus the information that dpkg just asked you for → paste.debian.net |
| 16:40.55 | swerve | man bat: no entry for bat, lol ;-) |
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| 16:41.09 | Trewas | swerve: mythtv is not in debian, whatever random site you are installing from maybe has broken packages or packages meant for another debian distro version |
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| 16:41.43 | swerve | installing from www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:41.46 | themill | and I'm just about to give up trying to do this with no information |
| 16:42.09 | swerve | using unstable - should I switch to multimedia testing? |
| 16:42.24 | swerve | thought I should keep that w/ debian version |
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| 16:43.33 | doublehp | themill 35mn to install reportbug and write the report. |
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| 16:44.45 | swerve | here's an example: http://paste.debian.net/171573/ |
| 16:45.10 | themill | swerve: why are you mixing squeeze with sid? |
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| 16:45.49 | swerve | not up on all these names, tbh. using unstable on the server |
| 16:45.59 | swerve | 'squeeze' is stable? |
| 16:46.00 | themill | *sigh* |
| 16:46.24 | jelly | swerve: welcome to 2011! |
| 16:46.26 | themill | "unstable" and "server" in the same sentence. Where can it go wrong? And why are you using unstable at all if you don't know how to unbreak dependencies in debian? |
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| 16:46.33 | swerve | i use stable, unstable & testing, try not to complicate things with arbitrary name |
| 16:46.57 | themill | don't mix |
| 16:47.04 | doublehp | themill found a bug in debian bug tracker ... just received an email telling me that 674922: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674922 ... but I get There is no record of Bug #674922. Try the search page instead. |
| 16:47.19 | themill | wfm |
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| 16:47.37 | swerve | what's mixed? server and multimedia are unstable |
| 16:47.42 | themill | swerve: no they are not |
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| 16:54.59 | tharkun | themill: remember the backports key failure. It got fixed by itself |
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| 16:57.01 | cantido | Is there a nice simple way to redirect alsa's output to a file? |
| 16:57.25 | tharkun | cantido: vlc can do that if you are streaming from the internet |
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| 16:58.08 | cantido | tharkun: I want to check the frequency of the audio I'm generating (PWM) and I don't have a scope.. |
| 16:58.19 | tharkun | FFT |
| 16:58.45 | cantido | tharkun: yeah, i need some way of capturing the output, I dont really want to write code to output to wav for this :) |
| 17:00.13 | tharkun | cantido: vlc is extremely powerfull some quality time with it can make your life easier |
| 17:01.22 | cantido | if it can record what another app is outputting I'm sold.. |
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| 17:04.19 | swerve | themill: updating sources.list. what do I need for security updates? just security-debian.org instead of ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 17:04.41 | swerve | *security.debian.org |
| 17:05.21 | simonlnu | !security |
| 17:05.22 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 17:05.33 | swerve | yes - b/c of name change, i accidentally had wrong repo still active - my mistake! |
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| 17:05.55 | tharkun | cantido: take a look to shell redirection and socat if you are streaming over tcp |
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| 17:06.54 | Lejda | hey guys. |
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| 17:07.36 | swerve | btw, when i said unstable on a server, i meant testing. got the two backward |
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| 17:07.49 | Lejda | why xrdp is so slow ? |
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| 17:08.03 | Lejda | windows mstsc is faster than xrdp |
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| 17:08.45 | Jayflux | What is the standard way for removing a package? |
| 17:09.02 | Lejda | apt-get remove package_name |
| 17:09.03 | nimei | Jayflux: apt-get remove package |
| 17:09.14 | Jayflux | thanks guys |
| 17:09.24 | Jayflux | Why do some people recommened dpkg -p package name? |
| 17:09.29 | dvs | dpkg -r package_name |
| 17:09.29 | dpkg | removes package_name along with a pound of flesh from dvs's body, then staples dvs back up with a staple gun. |
| 17:09.33 | nimei | Note that you can use '--purge' to also delete its configuration files. |
| 17:09.34 | dvs | doh! |
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| 17:11.47 | Lejda | hey anyone using vnc4 ? |
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| 17:17.44 | Jayflux | nimei so apt-get remove doesn't remove the config files, is that the difference? |
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| 17:18.21 | nimei | Jayflux: apt-get remove just removes just the package. |
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| 17:19.35 | martin8686 | One can show package info with "apt-cache show ls", but I guess this requires internet connection? Is it possible to do this with dpkg as well? |
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| 17:21.17 | nimei | martin8686: apt-cache show package probably doesn't require internet connection. |
| 17:21.25 | nimei | (since it's from the cache) |
| 17:21.40 | nimei | Don't take my word for granted though, just a guess. |
| 17:21.45 | ironm | Hello. Please allow me one question. I have created MariaDB 5.5.23 debian packages for sid (http://paste.debian.net/171579/ ) How can I create a local repository for apt-get installations? Thank you in advance for any hints. BTW. aptoncd doesnt work (gives me some error messages) .. I hope there is another tool for debian sid |
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| 17:22.00 | martin8686 | nimei, ok, you are correct. I just tested this. Thanks! |
| 17:22.08 | daemonkeeper | !reprepro |
| 17:22.09 | dpkg | reprepro is, like, a tool for managing a repository. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages. http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>. |
| 17:22.15 | daemonkeeper | ironm: -^ |
| 17:22.40 | ironm | thanks a lot daemonkeeper :) .. I will check reprepro |
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| 17:23.35 | daemonkeeper | ironm: There are some more tools available, including mini-dinstall, debarchiver and others |
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| 17:23.59 | daemonkeeper | Just in case you feel lost with reprepro (some people do) |
| 17:24.24 | ironm | daemonkeeper, I will first check reprepro |
| 17:24.45 | ironm | I see .. |
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| 17:26.38 | no_al_nonnismo | hi |
| 17:26.50 | no_al_nonnismo | i installed debian kfreebsd on a vm. Everything's ok but i cant set a better screen resolution. |
| 17:27.14 | no_al_nonnismo | Usually (with debian linux) i solve this by using virtualbox addictions but on kfreebsd it's not possible. how can i do? |
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| 17:29.01 | daemonkeeper | Well, the "virtualbox additions" are essentially a Linux kernel module. Without these you're limited to what you get by using standard drivers. |
| 17:30.00 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: yes, i know. but in the name of Virtualbox.Add. executable file there is the string "linux" |
| 17:30.17 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: so how can i use that with debian _kfreebsd_ ? |
| 17:30.23 | daemonkeeper | You can't. |
| 17:30.37 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: i know. |
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| 17:30.42 | daemonkeeper | Why do you ask then? |
| 17:30.50 | nimei | no_al_nonnismo: have you tried to install the freebsd additions? |
| 17:30.52 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: how can i adjust the resolution so? |
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| 17:31.22 | no_al_nonnismo | nimei: no. do they exists ? |
| 17:31.47 | nimei | http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox |
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| 17:33.28 | ski | hm, the pixel-format libary `hermes1' doesn't seem to be available in Debian anymore .. |
| 17:33.45 | ski | .. <https://launchpad.net/debian/lenny/+source/hermes1> seems to suggest it was present in `lenny', but neither <http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny&keywords=hermes1> nor <http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=hermes1> turns up anything (nor with s/lenny/oldstable/) |
| 17:34.04 | no_al_nonnismo | nimei: it's not that. I use debian linux to run virtualbox. Then, inside virtualbox i have a debian kfreebsd VM . |
| 17:34.19 | Hans_Henrik | the standard debian squeeze 6.0 700mb cd distro, does it come with sudo installed by default? |
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| 17:34.51 | no_al_nonnismo | nimei: that link is for freebsd users to install the virtualbox program. |
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| 17:35.09 | nimei | no_al_nonnismo: please, read the entire page. |
| 17:35.38 | daemonkeeper | Having that said, kfreebsd does not play well together with ports. It needs a substantial amount of work to get these running. |
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| 17:35.51 | nimei | In any case it will probably not work. |
| 17:36.00 | acu | how can I find all the used IP addresses in a LAN (some dhcp some static) ? |
| 17:36.08 | daemonkeeper | !nmap |
| 17:36.09 | dpkg | Nmap ("Network Mapper") is a free software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. Don't use it to do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. Popular by the clueless to audit computers they could and should just run 'netstat -plunt' on (ask me about <open ports>). http://nmap.org/ ##nmap on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:36.34 | mmnicolas | In a home environment, family-type sysadminning, what would you use to manage your ssh connections ? (like bookmarking them), I had a look at remmina, it does what I want but lacks some features I want from gnome-terminal, I've used gnome-profiles, does what I want but is a PITA to launch from CLI (gnome-terminal --profile=blablala), I ended up using a bash script: http://paste.debian.net/171582/ any better idea ? |
| 17:37.15 | no_al_nonnismo | nimei: it cant work because it is for Freebsd, and _not_ *kfreebsd*. In fact the rc.conf file doesnt exists on my vm.. |
| 17:37.25 | daemonkeeper | That's what nimei already said |
| 17:37.26 | jeka | фёдор :) матроскин и шарик |
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| 17:37.32 | jeka | sorry |
| 17:37.47 | daemonkeeper | There is no technical reason why it wouldn't work on kfreebsd, but someone needs to port it. |
| 17:38.05 | bps | mmnicolas i just use the hostname |
| 17:38.42 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: so pratically i own the only kfreebsd VM at worldwide level :) |
| 17:38.57 | daemonkeeper | I run it in Virtualbox, too. |
| 17:38.57 | acu | daemonkeeper, thanks |
| 17:39.12 | daemonkeeper | But I never installed a graphical user interface. |
| 17:39.19 | mmnicolas | bps: so you alias the hostname to "ssh user@hostname" ? |
| 17:39.20 | daemonkeeper | Nobody needs a GUI anyway. |
| 17:39.40 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: i need :) |
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| 17:40.02 | bps | mmnicolas no i just use 'ssh hostname' because i use the same account |
| 17:40.05 | daemonkeeper | Why do you need a graphical user interface in a kfreebsd virtual machine? |
| 17:40.21 | ski | so, i'm wondering where to look for information about `hermes1' in Debian (like why i can't find it, was it removed ?) (the only reference i can find atm is <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=143651>) |
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| 17:40.49 | ski | (any suggestion for where to get source or binary package from would also be appreciated) |
| 17:41.01 | ironm | daemonkeeper, do you know what should be the name of the config file? ... "The configuration file will specify which releases the repository will contain (sid, stable, etc) as well as the architectures. A sample configuration file will look like this:" |
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| 17:41.29 | daemonkeeper | ironm: You need conf/distributions and conf/incoming at least. |
| 17:42.16 | ironm | are both files? .. or dirs ? @ daemonkeeper |
| 17:42.49 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have just upgraded to Wheezy/testing but after the upgrade I realized the websites which are being hosted do not run well with PHP 5.4. Is there any way to downgrade particulary PHP5 package to 5.3.3 (the Squeeze version)? |
| 17:42.57 | daemonkeeper | Files. That's documented in the man page. |
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| 17:43.25 | ironm | I try to follow the link: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 17:43.36 | ironm | thank you daemonkeeper :) |
| 17:43.51 | Vasistha | hid3: I don't think that's going to be easy. It's going to be better in the long run to upgrade those web sites so they work. |
| 17:44.09 | daemonkeeper | ironm: Even there it is noted: "First of all create the directory, a subdirectory conf/ to contain the configuration file, and a directory incoming/ to which we'll later setup automatic upload processing:" |
| 17:44.18 | no_al_nonnismo | daemonkeeper: to use irc and firefox |
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| 17:44.39 | ironm | daemonkeeper, I did already |
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| 17:44.52 | hid3 | Vasistha: the websites are down. I'm not the owner of them. I don;t know the technology which tey are made on. I need a quick solution for what I have just broken... |
| 17:44.53 | no_al_nonnismo | ok, i'll use irc and elinks :( |
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| 17:45.12 | ironm | daemonkeeper, there is no further info about file names |
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| 17:47.13 | ironm | daemonkeeper, maybe I should another tool .. as I need "only" a local repo with the following entry in /etc/apt/sources.list like: "deb file:///live/image sid main" |
| 17:47.33 | daemonkeeper | ironm: reprepro is fine for that. |
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| 17:48.05 | ironm | well .. I have some difficulties with it's descritpion |
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| 17:49.19 | hko | Hello, I am looking for information on a netinstall which would integrate the AES-XTS encryption for LVM. I already found http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm but as mentioned "This procedure might be a time consuming one, for what is worth, and is not intended to be used for installing on a remote system.". Thank you. |
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| 17:57.30 | ix_ | should I use the pae kernel or the 486 kernel on a 32 bit system with 1 GB of RAM? |
| 17:57.45 | ix_ | on wheezy, of course |
| 17:58.02 | ix_ | there is no 686 non-pae kernel available |
| 17:58.19 | daemonkeeper | Yes, use the 486 kernel |
| 17:58.34 | daemonkeeper | You don't want PAE. Especially not on systems with less than 4G RAM |
| 17:58.50 | ix_ | I see, thank you |
| 17:58.55 | ix_ | does it dlow it down? |
| 17:58.57 | ix_ | slow |
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| 17:59.01 | daemonkeeper | It does. |
| 17:59.01 | peterS | yeah, a little |
| 17:59.27 | ix_ | thanks |
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| 18:04.17 | djanatyn | Hmm. Yesterday, I installed linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae for wifi support. |
| 18:04.51 | djanatyn | I was using linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem before that, which didn't support my wifi drivers. |
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| 18:05.25 | WinstonSmith | there is always compat-wireless |
| 18:05.27 | djanatyn | Unfortunately, while linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae does wireless internet perfectly, it seems really...laggy. Like, even when gdm loads up, sometimes it will just freeze. |
| 18:05.44 | djanatyn | I'm unfamiliar with compat-wireless. How does that work? |
| 18:06.00 | WinstonSmith | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable/#compat-wireless_3.3_stable_releases |
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| 18:06.18 | balancer | anyone an idea, what im doing wrong? http://nopaste.info/900e8c932f.html |
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| 18:06.43 | abrotman | balancer: what ubinize? |
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| 18:06.45 | WinstonSmith | djanatyn: download, unpack, make && make install. it's the wireless drivers from the new kernels |
| 18:07.06 | balancer | abrotman should create an ubifs image |
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| 18:07.26 | djanatyn | Oh, nice. Thanks! |
| 18:07.37 | abrotman | balancer: tried a smaller size? |
| 18:07.48 | WinstonSmith | djanatyn: you're welcome |
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| 18:08.10 | rypervenche | I have a question about ALSA. It is possible to capture the audio that my computer makes without needing to use pulseaudio? As of now I know how to capture audio from the computer's mic, but not the audio that I hear from my computer. Any ideas? (using ffmpeg) |
| 18:08.25 | balancer | http://paste.debian.net/171594/ |
| 18:08.25 | balancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.28 | djanatyn | WinstonSmith: Do I need to get compat-wireless-2.6.32.16.tar.bz2? |
| 18:08.40 | djanatyn | or can I get a newer version that will still work with my older kernel? |
| 18:08.55 | WinstonSmith | djanatyn: no you can get the latest stable |
| 18:08.59 | acu | rypervenche, for me the easiest is Audacity - go to prefferences source |
| 18:09.14 | acu | !Audacity |
| 18:09.14 | dpkg | Audacity is a multi-track audio editor, designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. The suggested libmp3lame0 package is required for encoding to MP3, ask me about <lame>. http://audacity.sf.net/help/faq http://audacity.sf.net/ #audacity on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:11.12 | ironm | daemonkeeper, for i in `ls -1 /home/ironm/buildbot/debs/binary/*.deb`; do reprepro -Vb . includedeb sid $i; done |
| 18:11.15 | balancer | abrotman the syntax i have seen here: http://skorfulose.de/?p=186 |
| 18:11.54 | djanatyn | Aww man, just running make immediately throws up an error. :\ |
| 18:11.54 | WinstonSmith | djanatyn: so http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-3-stable/v3.3/compat-wireless-3.3-2-n.tar.bz2 should work. bear in mind that you may need firmware files. look at dmesg for that |
| 18:12.12 | daemonkeeper | ironm: This howto wasn't update for years. Use reprepro -V -b /your/repo processincoming <incoming policy> |
| 18:12.38 | ironm | *_* |
| 18:12.45 | WinstonSmith | ^_^ |
| 18:13.14 | abrotman | balancer: did you ask the arm channel, #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:13.27 | balancer | no i dident |
| 18:13.45 | djanatyn | WinstonSmith: do I need to compile it with the kernel I want it for? |
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| 18:13.47 | abrotman | it is an arm device? |
| 18:13.54 | ironm | good question what is <incoming policy> ... probably like includedeb or includesrc |
| 18:13.57 | balancer | yes |
| 18:13.58 | WinstonSmith | djanatyn: of course. |
| 18:14.07 | djanatyn | ah, that makes sense :) thanks. |
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| 18:21.01 | ironm | daemonkeeper, do you have maybe an example incoming file? ... No definition for 'includedeb' found in '/apt/conf/incoming'! |
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| 18:22.09 | daemonkeeper | ironm: <incoming policy> is a stanza within your incoming file. See the man page. |
| 18:22.19 | ironm | I did |
| 18:22.39 | daemonkeeper | There you specify a Name. That's the name to supply there. |
| 18:22.43 | ironm | reprepro -V -b /apt processincoming includedeb |
| 18:23.07 | daemonkeeper | I don't understand you want to call it includedeb but whatever ... |
| 18:23.10 | ironm | I guess it is not enough to specify there only a name .. |
| 18:23.18 | ArthurB | hi there, I'm trying to use fglrx drivers with wheezy. After using the installer from ati's website, I succeeded. However, after I did an upgrade of the system, it's now broken. X just freezes into a blank screen... keyboard and mouse are disabled, a hard reboot is the only way out. |
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| 18:23.36 | ironm | what is the syntax of entries in conf/incoming ? |
| 18:23.49 | daemonkeeper | *sigh* I told you twice to read the manual. |
| 18:24.09 | ironm | I do .. I will do again .. thank you daemonkeeper :) |
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| 18:25.34 | fr0ggie | Using wheezy with Xen-- how do i set grub to use dom0_max_vcpus=1 dom0_vcpus_pin for my Xen? |
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| 18:26.37 | nezZario | uhh |
| 18:26.58 | nezZario | can anyone su normally? |
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| 18:28.50 | alfplayer | nezZario: why not? |
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| 18:29.30 | nezZario | you guys don't use the wheel group? |
| 18:29.41 | abrotman | you can use it |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | !tell nezZario about wheel |
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| 18:30.41 | ski | if i have source `hermes1_1.3.3%2Breally1.3.2.orig.tar.gz',`hermes1_1.3.3%2Breally1.3.2-5.1.dsc',`hermes1_1.3.3%2Breally1.3.2-5.1.diff.gz' in a directory, can i tell APT (or is it DPKG ?) to try to build and install this ? |
| 18:30.49 | nezZario | hmmm |
| 18:30.56 | ski | (or would some more meta-data be needed ?) |
| 18:32.10 | abrotman | ski: that's all you need |
| 18:32.23 | abrotman | ski: where did you get those? |
| 18:33.25 | slonopotamus | ski: dpkg-source -x hermes*.dsc && cd <created dir> && dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 18:33.49 | e_ | hermes? |
| 18:33.52 | ski | abrotman : i got them from <https://launchpad.net/debian/lenny/+source/hermes1/1.3.3+really1.3.2-5.1/> |
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| 18:34.15 | ski | i looked around but couldn't find them in debian repositories (see a bit above) |
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| 18:35.02 | ski | slonopotamus : do i need root for building or only for installing ? |
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| 18:35.30 | slonopotamus | ski: only for installing (though youmay need "fakeroot" package for building) |
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| 18:35.44 | slonopotamus | ski: you'll also need to install build-deps |
| 18:35.56 | ski | hm, iirc, i already did |
| 18:36.23 | ski | hm, i installed `build-essential' before |
| 18:36.29 | abrotman | ski: those are for lenny .. not squeeze .. what problem are you rtying to solve ? |
| 18:37.01 | balancer | noone here, who knows about ubifs? |
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| 18:37.13 | ski | abrotman : trying to install <http://debian.frodo.looijaard.name/csb/> |
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| 18:37.32 | ski | (i had it installed previously in debian) |
| 18:37.54 | dudley | What is ubifs? |
| 18:37.55 | abrotman | ski: uhm, okay, have fun with that :) |
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| 18:38.53 | ski | slonopotamus : hm, i can see no `build-deps' package in `aptitude' |
| 18:39.11 | abrotman | !tell ski about source |
| 18:39.20 | ski | danke |
| 18:39.26 | abrotman | ski: should give you a few hints to get you moving along |
| 18:39.35 | slonopotamus | ski: err... by build-deps i meant "all packages that your package requires as build dependencies" |
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| 18:40.21 | ski | i was wondering if i could point `sources.list' to the source with a `deb-src file:/path/to/src ...' line .. |
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| 18:40.37 | ski | slonopotamus : oh, right |
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| 18:41.03 | kuwrefem | question on the install: if there is no windows os on my computer is an installation of grub to sda legitimate or should i make a boot partition or to sda1? two installs have rebooted to nothing but a cursor. |
| 18:41.20 | slonopotamus | ski: i guess you can get their list from debian/control from unpacked dir with your package contents |
| 18:42.09 | ski | slonopotamus : how do you mean ? |
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| 18:43.02 | slonopotamus | ski: "debian/control" is a file inside a dir you'll get with "dpkg-source -x hermes*.dsc" |
| 18:43.15 | dudley | kuwrefem: Put grub on the first parition. Always keep the /boot and / paritition seperate |
| 18:43.20 | ski | (deps are `debhelper (>= 4)', which is ok, and `nasm [i386]', which i'd need to install -- though i'd prefer it if i could mark that one as only installed because it was depended on by `hermes1') |
| 18:43.51 | kuwrefem | thanks dudley. |
| 18:44.34 | ski | i see, will try |
| 18:44.44 | Vasistha | hid3: I have a feeling your quickest solution is going to be to reinstall squeeze. Dunno if you have an extra box you could use... two computers running squeeze and wheezy respectively, so you can migrate sites one by one |
| 18:45.28 | Vasistha | hid3: oh, you can also try to install the squeeze php packages but that may cause problems |
| 18:45.43 | dudley | Vasistha: What is hid3's problem? |
| 18:46.07 | ArthurB | anyone has some experience with installing proprietary ati drivers? I've been hitting a wall... X freezes on start, which makes troubleshooting incredebly painful |
| 18:46.16 | jackweb | I am compiling gcc-code-assist and encountered a problem: crti.o not found. I have it in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ but it cannot be found by internal programs using by `make'... How to solve this problem? |
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| 18:46.21 | Vasistha | dudley: he upgraded a webhost box to wheezy, and a bunch of the web sites are down, either due to php 5.3 -> 5.4 compatibility, or perhaps there is another problem - actually it would be good to look for that other problem |
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| 18:46.45 | dudley | Well. Why did he update production boxes to unstable to begin with? |
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| 18:46.54 | WinstonSmith | heh |
| 18:46.55 | Vasistha | ArthurB: do you get a /var/log/Xorg.0.log you can look at? |
| 18:47.03 | ArthurB | I do after I reboot |
| 18:47.03 | WinstonSmith | never change a running etc.... |
| 18:47.06 | ArthurB | but not much there |
| 18:47.10 | Vasistha | dudley: not unstable, testing ... but yeah that was unwise indeed |
| 18:47.17 | jelly-hme | dudley: because he wants to give money to consultants to fix it! |
| 18:47.28 | ArthurB | WinstonSmith, I only get warnings |
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| 18:47.37 | dudley | If it ain't broke, don't fix it! |
| 18:47.40 | WinstonSmith | hands jelly-hme an "o" ;) |
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| 18:47.56 | ArthurB | WinstonSmith, "falling back to olf probe method for fglrx" and "fglrx: no matching device section for instance ... " |
| 18:48.09 | jelly-hme | WinstonSmith: the machine connecting to 'o' died, I'm running on secondary backup |
| 18:48.27 | dudley | ArthurB: You have to add a "Section Device" to your xorg config |
| 18:48.42 | dudley | ArthurB: Try to run dpkg-reconfigure xorg as root |
| 18:48.46 | ArthurB | dudley, I have one |
| 18:48.48 | WinstonSmith | ArthurB: sorry there must've been a misunderstanding. i can't help you with fglrx. i have an ATI card but i use the radeon driver |
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| 18:49.07 | WinstonSmith | jelly-hme: my condolences! |
| 18:49.12 | dudley | or aticonfig, if I recall that as the ati config tool |
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| 18:49.20 | ArthurB | dudley, yeah I did that |
| 18:49.24 | ArthurB | the xorg.conf looks finee |
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| 18:49.27 | slonopotamus | suppose i have repo A and installed some packages from it. after that, i enable repo B that has newer paclages than repo A and do "apt-get upgrade". then, i change my mind and what to revert packages to latest versions from repo A, effectively pretending as if repo B never touched my system. what steps are required besides removing repo B? |
| 18:49.31 | ArthurB | I was using it before and everything was working |
| 18:49.33 | dudley | ArthurB: Is there a reason why you want to use the proprietary over the free driver? |
| 18:49.40 | ArthurB | dudley, performance |
| 18:49.47 | dudley | Performance for what? |
| 18:50.04 | ArthurB | desktop compositing |
| 18:50.05 | WinstonSmith | ArthurB: did you ran Xorg --configure to create a xorg.conf? |
| 18:50.10 | ArthurB | also I want to play with opencl |
| 18:50.22 | ArthurB | I have an xorg.conf and I'm pretty sure it's fine |
| 18:50.31 | dudley | ArthurB: Your xorg.conf is not fine. |
| 18:50.41 | ArthurB | I had the prop drivers working until I upgraded xerver-xorg |
| 18:50.44 | WinstonSmith | otherwise it would work! |
| 18:50.45 | dudley | ArthurB: It's shown that by hanging and not booting all the way. |
| 18:50.59 | dudley | So, make a new xorg! |
| 18:51.04 | ArthurB | I did |
| 18:51.06 | ArthurB | same problem |
| 18:51.20 | ArthurB | I think these warnings are just related to multiple screens |
| 18:51.25 | ski | slonopotamus : should i put that `debian/control' file in the same dir as the `.dsc',`.tar.gz',`.diff' files, and then write a `deb-src' line in `sources.list' ? |
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| 18:51.38 | dudley | Start from one device on one screen |
| 18:51.41 | dudley | and work your way up. |
| 18:51.53 | ski | isn't quite sure what format `deb-src' wants in the directory you point it to |
| 18:51.55 | dudley | You want the device to not warn or error. |
| 18:52.32 | slonopotamus | ski: you don' want to put it anywhere. you can just use a list of build dependencies from it in order to apt-get install whatever is needed to build your package. |
| 18:52.53 | ski | slonopotamus : ok |
| 18:52.55 | ArthurB | how do you suggest fixing that warning then? |
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| 18:53.15 | dudley | Clearing everything and starting over |
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| 18:53.26 | ski | slonopotamus : what i was pondering was whether i could get e.g. `aptitude' to list the `hermes1' package, after pointing `sources.list' to where it's located in the file system |
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| 18:53.40 | dudley | What DE do you have? |
| 18:53.46 | slonopotamus | ski: it doesn't work that way |
| 18:53.50 | ski | slonopotamus : but if i can't figure out how to do that, i'll try installing it manually |
| 18:53.54 | ski | ok |
| 18:54.15 | slonopotamus | ski: dpkg-buildpackage is the thing to build a .deb out of .orig.tar.gz/.dsc/.diff.gz |
| 18:54.26 | ski | oh, i see |
| 18:54.28 | ArthurB | dudley, DE? |
| 18:54.38 | dudley | ArthurB: Post up your xorg.conf, and the error log file into pastebin |
| 18:54.45 | dudley | Desktop Environment, ArthurB |
| 18:54.49 | ArthurB | dudley, hard without X |
| 18:55.10 | dudley | Well! Which one did you have before the errors start, smarty pants? |
| 18:55.21 | ski | (i didn't know that `dpkg-buildpackage' would build a `.deb' file) |
| 18:55.30 | ArthurB | dudley, KDE. What's hard is posting the error log |
| 18:55.47 | fr0ggie | What's the Debian Way (TM) to set options for the grub entry for Xen? I need to add dom0_max_vcpus=1 dom0_vcpus_pin to the xen.tgz options |
| 18:56.28 | dudley | Well, either you post it up for debugging, or you uninstall xorg and fglrx and reinstall. |
| 18:56.32 | Kaede | I'm trying to get 3D acceleration working on the Radeon open source drivers. Debian places the DRI .so file in /usr/lib/dri, but a debug output of glxinfo reveals that its trying to load it from /usr/lib64/dri, which does not exist on deb systems. Is there any way to fix this? |
| 18:56.35 | dudley | I suggest you do the latter solution. |
| 18:56.58 | dudley | Kaede, are you on a 64bit version of Debian? |
| 18:57.01 | Kaede | Yes |
| 18:57.16 | Kaede | But I don't have lib64, just lib and lib32 |
| 18:57.34 | dudley | Create a copy of the file into the lib64/dri directory |
| 18:57.40 | krisfremen | lib is the 64bits |
| 18:57.41 | Kaede | Would a symlink be sufficient? (Although it seems more like a package bug.) |
| 18:57.56 | ArthurB | dudley, I'm not sure how to revert to the free driver unfortunately |
| 18:57.57 | dudley | see if that works, if so, then log a bug with your setup and versions you used. |
| 18:58.18 | dudley | ArthurB: Okay. After the error, does it drop you back to a command prompt? |
| 18:58.42 | ArthurB | dudley, no, it shows a black screen and freezes. Keyboard and mouse become unresponsive. |
| 18:58.49 | dudley | Okay, try this: |
| 18:58.56 | dudley | CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE |
| 18:59.02 | ArthurB | as I said |
| 18:59.09 | ArthurB | Keyboard is unresponsive |
| 18:59.28 | ArthurB | (background: I've been using linux for about 10 years) |
| 18:59.45 | dudley | Okay, then boot into single user mode. |
| 18:59.56 | ArthurB | I did that yes |
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| 19:00.15 | dudley | Bring up the console from SU mode |
| 19:00.19 | ArthurB | yes yes |
| 19:00.34 | dudley | Okay, are you connected to the internet? |
| 19:00.38 | ArthurB | nah |
| 19:00.46 | ArthurB | when I run in this mode, no net |
| 19:00.46 | dudley | Wifi? |
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| 19:01.09 | dudley | uname -a gives you what response? |
| 19:01.11 | ArthurB | no |
| 19:01.19 | ArthurB | well yes it does |
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| 19:01.32 | dudley | Okay. do this |
| 19:01.35 | ArthurB | I think it's the recovery mode, it's missing network... doesn't bring up eth0 |
| 19:01.37 | dudley | ifconfig and tell me what devices show up. |
| 19:01.41 | ArthurB | just lo |
| 19:01.43 | dudley | Damn |
| 19:01.58 | ArthurB | I know |
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| 19:02.22 | dudley | We'll have to tear down KDE, X, and fglrx |
| 19:02.43 | ArthurB | ok good news |
| 19:02.50 | dudley | What is good news? |
| 19:02.51 | ArthurB | removing xorg.conf allows me to log in |
| 19:02.58 | ArthurB | that's a new development |
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| 19:03.02 | dudley | So much for your xorg.conf being good. |
| 19:03.07 | dudley | It reverted back to the default. |
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| 19:03.14 | ArthurB | I think it's good |
| 19:03.18 | dudley | So, reboot out of SU mode |
| 19:03.22 | ArthurB | removing it just meands it's not loading fglrx |
| 19:03.24 | ArthurB | I'll try that |
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| 19:04.58 | dudley | How is normal fairing for you ArthurB |
| 19:05.16 | ArthurB | dudley, ok I have networking, huzzah |
| 19:05.33 | dudley | Cool. |
| 19:05.42 | dudley | Autoremove fglrx |
| 19:05.46 | ArthurB | ah |
| 19:05.48 | dudley | And reinstall |
| 19:05.51 | ArthurB | I didn't add it as a package |
| 19:06.05 | ArthurB | for there is no flgrx package in wheezy |
| 19:06.15 | dudley | Ah okay. |
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| 19:06.35 | dudley | You're right. |
| 19:06.42 | dudley | Which version did you grab to compile? |
| 19:07.13 | ArthurB | I got a binary from amd |
| 19:07.17 | ArthurB | 8.911.3.3 |
| 19:07.47 | dudley | Followed the instructions to the t or you winged it? |
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| 19:08.02 | ArthurB | not much leaway |
| 19:08.09 | ArthurB | you run it, click continue... finish |
| 19:08.15 | dudley | Ah. |
| 19:08.20 | dudley | Try to compile from source? |
| 19:08.27 | ArthurB | source? |
| 19:08.46 | ArthurB | I don't think it's available... (?) |
| 19:08.48 | dudley | Yes. AMD provides the source files for your drivers. |
| 19:08.57 | dudley | They have to, not every linux distro accepts a binary. |
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| 19:09.09 | dudley | Take a look, I'm sans Xorg at the moment. |
| 19:09.29 | ArthurB | I see |
| 19:09.59 | ArthurB | I wonder if it's something to do with the diver mechanism in apt |
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| 19:10.24 | ArthurB | glx-alternative-fglrx package for instance |
| 19:10.30 | ArthurB | or glx-diversions |
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| 19:12.52 | ArthurB | isn't there a package that allows one to run an xersever in a windo on another x-server? |
| 19:13.16 | ArthurB | xephyr... found it |
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| 19:14.49 | dudley | ArthurB: Sorry. I'm on a phone call. Still need assistance? |
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| 19:15.04 | dudley | ArthurB: I have a X300 on my T43 that I'm sure I've not installed. |
| 19:15.10 | ArthurB | dudley, I'd love that, but I can try on my own for a while |
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| 19:22.19 | acu | anyhting wrong with debian wheezy repositories - I am trying to do a netinstall and it does not regocngizing the repositories |
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| 19:22.44 | nkuttler | acu: are you using the testing installer? |
| 19:22.53 | acu | yes |
| 19:23.04 | nkuttler | acu: it's for testing the installer, not installing testing.. |
| 19:23.13 | nkuttler | acu: anyway, what kind of error do you get? |
| 19:24.12 | acu | bad archive mirror - possible reasons for the eroor are: incoreect miror specivied, mirron is not available mirror is broken |
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| 19:27.33 | nkuttler | acu: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:33.23 | lduros | the location of the profile directory for iceweasel is in .mozilla/iceweasel |
| 19:33.25 | lduros | correct? |
| 19:33.53 | dudley | ArthurB: What's the situation? Better? |
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| 19:34.13 | dudley | acu: Which mirror have you selected? |
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| 19:35.44 | ArthurB | dudley, no, if I switch back to fglrx I still get the freezes |
| 19:36.09 | ArthurB | dudley, I'm going to try to add sid repositories |
| 19:36.14 | ArthurB | and install the fglrx drivers from there |
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| 19:36.49 | LittleFoot | helo |
| 19:37.13 | LittleFoot | anyone have the latest ffmpeg w x264 on debian6 |
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| 19:38.14 | acu | I tried first three - ftp:us debian the kernel one and aonother |
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| 19:38.35 | LittleFoot | acu im using 3.0 kernil |
| 19:38.40 | LittleFoot | and nvidia drivers |
| 19:38.46 | dudley | ArthurB: Could not find the proprietary source for AMD? |
| 19:39.00 | ArthurB | dudley, didn't really look? |
| 19:39.06 | LittleFoot | NVIDIA Driver Version 275.36 |
| 19:39.14 | LittleFoot | works awesome |
| 19:39.24 | ArthurB | ah I see the problem I think |
| 19:39.32 | LittleFoot | finaly have debian w native gtx560 |
| 19:39.43 | ArthurB | fglrx driver require xserver-xorg-cor < 2:1.11.99 |
| 19:39.52 | ArthurB | when I upgraded to 2:1.12.1.902-1 |
| 19:39.54 | ArthurB | it broke |
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| 19:40.03 | ArthurB | my only option is to downgrade xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:40.07 | LittleFoot | can some 1 halp |
| 19:40.07 | LittleFoot | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:40.08 | LittleFoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.08 | LittleFoot | E: Broken packages |
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| 19:40.56 | LittleFoot | how do i install a specific version number lob |
| 19:40.57 | LittleFoot | lib |
| 19:41.04 | dizzylizzy | what does {b} mean from aptitude? |
| 19:41.07 | trysten | hi #Debian! |
| 19:41.09 | trysten | broken? |
| 19:41.12 | LittleFoot | hi |
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| 19:42.34 | trysten | i need help with something. i'm trying to mount a partition right, except the partition is inside an image of an entire harddisk. qemu boots it. i've tried getting the offset in fdisk several times but i must not be getting it right. can someone help me? |
| 19:42.52 | trysten | i must not understand cylinders and sectors enough to calculate the offset correctly |
| 19:42.53 | ArthurB | dudley, do you know how I can downgrade my xsever-xorg-core package? |
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| 19:43.26 | ArthurB | this is the issue http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65667 |
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| 19:43.41 | ArthurB | wait wrong link |
| 19:43.45 | LittleFoot | dont u guys hate it wen debian repos dont have the latest versions |
| 19:43.48 | ArthurB | but same idea |
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| 19:44.16 | LittleFoot | wher do i get Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.6) but 4.4.5-8 |
| 19:44.41 | krion | LittleFoot: if you wantest latest version you got wrong distro |
| 19:44.45 | craigevil | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 19:44.46 | judd | Package: libstdc++6 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.7.0-8; sid: 4.7.0-9 |
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| 19:45.16 | rauf | an iso image? |
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| 19:46.27 | craigevil | ArthurB, you can try downloading the version you need from snapshots, or just use radeon/ati until a new version of fglrx works |
| 19:47.14 | Vasistha | trysten: so you have a file, which is an image of an entire hard disk, including boot sector and partition table, etc? |
| 19:47.24 | xand | LittleFoot: I like having stable software :p |
| 19:47.33 | LittleFoot | ? |
| 19:47.35 | trysten | Vasistha: correct. |
| 19:47.48 | hid3 | I managed to downgrade apache2 and php5 to the versions I need. Is there any way to prevent APT, APTITUDE strictly from touching these packages? E.g. some blacklist system or...? I really need this |
| 19:48.05 | trysten | Vasistha: created by dd if=/dev/harddrive of=/file/somehwere |
| 19:48.10 | craigevil | hid3, apt-pinning |
| 19:48.13 | Vasistha | trysten: can you run fdisk -l on it? :-) |
| 19:48.14 | ArthurB | craigevil, do you know how I can show the versions I can install? I added an old DVD set to my sources that has a version that works |
| 19:48.30 | trysten | Vasistha, yes. it works. tells me the partition boundries and all |
| 19:48.36 | Vasistha | ArthurB: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 19:49.30 | craigevil | ArthurB, whatever the last version was that worked, havent a clue what that was |
| 19:49.32 | Vasistha | trysten: neato. hmm I have never done this but I wonder if there is a way to create a mapping so that the disk image can be treated as a device in the /dev tree |
| 19:49.58 | ArthurB | hum, I only see the newest version if I do that |
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| 19:50.14 | ArthurB | need I remove some sources to get the old one? |
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| 19:50.34 | trysten | Vasistha: that's what i was thinking. so far all i've done is dd if=image skip=someoffset of=newimage |
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| 19:50.49 | trysten | Vasistha: perhaps a FIFO? i don't know about them. |
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| 19:51.58 | Vasistha | trysten: no, you don't want a fifo (pipe). I've put a file system in a file, but never a multi-partition hard drive image in a file |
| 19:52.03 | hid3 | craigevil: I don't have that stuff in my system. Any ideas what package contains it? |
| 19:52.50 | nkuttler | !tell hid3 about hold |
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| 19:53.02 | Vasistha | trysten: http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux |
| 19:53.13 | trysten | Vasistha: from what i understand, using the dd skip trick would work if i did it right. |
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| 19:53.18 | verwilst | hello |
| 19:53.28 | verwilst | i would like to upload a debdiff to the zabbix package |
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| 19:53.40 | verwilst | is there a non-90s way to do this? |
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| 19:54.14 | trysten | Vasistha: i've read this actually. but i'll try again before i come back. thank you. |
| 19:54.35 | Vasistha | trysten: here's another one: http://tinyapps.org/docs/mount_partitions_from_disk_images.html |
| 19:55.42 | Vasistha | trysten: looks like kpartx is available in debian |
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| 19:56.17 | LittleFoot | umm how do computers work? |
| 19:56.32 | WinstonSmith | and magnets? |
| 19:57.13 | ompaul | LittleFoot: by not being upset with the level of packages in repos |
| 19:57.32 | Vasistha | trysten: oh yeah, that latter link is much better, it gives much better debugging for the problem encountered in that first link |
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| 19:57.35 | nkuttler | LittleFoot: try #hardware or somesuch |
| 19:58.06 | LittleFoot | anyone have ffmpeg 0.9 |
| 19:58.11 | ski | slonopotamus,abrotman : ty, it appears to work fine :) |
| 19:58.14 | Vasistha | LittleFoot: the cpu accesses the memory where instructions are stored, and follows those instructions, which instruct it to access memory and other i/o devices |
| 19:58.39 | craigevil | !tell LittleFoot about search |
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| 19:59.20 | krion | !tell hide about hold |
| 20:00.32 | Vasistha | verwilst: well, if you're an official contributor to the package then probably, but if not, then probably just use the 90's method (email) |
| 20:00.50 | verwilst | Vasistha, did it through email now idd :) |
| 20:00.53 | krion | !tell hid3 about hold |
| 20:01.02 | nkuttler | krion: i already did that |
| 20:01.02 | verwilst | the bugreporting really needs an overhaul |
| 20:01.11 | nkuttler | !tell verwilst about reportbug |
| 20:01.23 | verwilst | when you're used to bugreporting on ubuntu, it's quite the major leap backwards :) |
| 20:01.31 | LittleFoot | !tell everyone stfu |
| 20:01.42 | nkuttler | LittleFoot: please don't abuse the bots |
| 20:02.08 | craigevil | verwilst, use reportbug-ng |
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| 20:12.26 | Caterpillar | what is the way to check temperature of a Pentium 4 socket 478? There is not /proc/acpi/thermal_zone |
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| 20:16.47 | ArthurB | where can I find a snapshot of wheezy as a rep? |
| 20:17.10 | craigevil | !snapshots |
| 20:17.11 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:17.25 | ironm | After testing I have wrote short howto for reprepro on debian sid: reprepro-howto.txt |
| 20:17.25 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/171631/ |
| 20:17.39 | ArthurB | craigevil, thanks but that doesn't particuarly help |
| 20:17.49 | ArthurB | I'm trying to downgrade my xserver |
| 20:18.48 | craigevil | sure it does search snapshot for the version you had before the upgrade, download and use dpkg -i .deb to install |
| 20:19.07 | ArthurB | this thing has massive dependencies |
| 20:19.15 | ArthurB | can't I use apt-get to downgrade? |
| 20:19.22 | ArthurB | I can't dpkg -i every single xorg dep |
| 20:20.25 | craigevil | nope, you should only need a few of the xserver packages |
| 20:20.28 | craigevil | !downgrade |
| 20:20.29 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 20:20.40 | ArthurB | huum |
| 20:20.42 | ArthurB | ok |
| 20:20.50 | LittleFoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.54 | LittleFoot | what do i do |
| 20:21.02 | LittleFoot | halp! |
| 20:21.19 | jelly-hme | !bat |
| 20:21.20 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 20:21.28 | craigevil | LittleFoot, stop trying to install packages that aren't in stable when you are running stable |
| 20:21.30 | jelly-hme | LittleFoot: follow the above. |
| 20:21.44 | LittleFoot | so how do i do ffmpeg |
| 20:21.52 | LittleFoot | and x264 |
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| 20:22.10 | jelly-hme | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 20:22.11 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4:0.5.8-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.8-1; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.12-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.3; sid: 6:0.8.2-2; wheezy: 6:0.8.2-2; sid- |
| 20:22.13 | judd | multimedia: 7:0.10.3-dmo1 |
| 20:22.25 | craigevil | get rid of any repos in your sources.list that do not point to stable, apt-get update;apt-get install ffmpeg |
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| 20:25.18 | LittleFoot | ya but i have 3.0 kurnil |
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| 20:27.46 | ompaul | !ops adam- |
| 20:27.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: adam- |
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| 20:28.05 | ompaul | if there are any staff in channel? |
| 20:28.11 | mrmist | adam-: don't do that please. |
| 20:28.32 | ompaul | that should get him banned from the network |
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| 20:29.08 | jelly-hme | slow mentor is slow! |
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| 20:29.25 | mentor | 11 seconds! |
| 20:29.27 | ompaul | jelly-hme: profound statement is profound :) |
| 20:29.35 | jelly-hme | (and I don't have anything nice to say about mrmist) |
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| 20:30.23 | jelly-hme | better luck next time I guess |
| 20:31.11 | roboman2444 | ALSA lib conf.c:3406:(config_file_open) /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf may be old or corrupted: consider to remove or fix it |
| 20:31.16 | roboman2444 | how do i ffix? |
| 20:31.23 | roboman2444 | pulse and alsa now conflict eachother |
| 20:31.41 | roboman2444 | so i cant do stuff that uses alsa while doing stuff that uses pulse |
| 20:31.45 | roboman2444 | one will just mute the other |
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| 20:32.49 | zykotick9 | roboman2444: pulse requires alsa - so do they really conflict? |
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| 20:33.31 | roboman2444 | well say im playing trackmania through wine |
| 20:33.44 | roboman2444 | and then i want to play some music with mplayer at the same time |
| 20:33.48 | roboman2444 | trackmania gets muted |
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| 20:35.55 | jelly-hme | roboman2444: can you not just use pulse for everything? |
| 20:36.01 | roboman2444 | no... sadly |
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| 20:36.09 | roboman2444 | my other machine does both just fine |
| 20:36.16 | mentor | ALSA is a hardware interface |
| 20:36.16 | jelly-hme | because libwine-pulse not there yet? |
| 20:36.20 | roboman2444 | but somehow something went wrong on this |
| 20:36.33 | mentor | It never did mixing, so it always had a use llimit |
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| 20:38.05 | mentor | gene_, lx00, ricardopontes, LDungeon: Fix your clients |
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| 20:38.22 | lx00 | ? |
| 20:38.33 | redShadow | hello everybody! I have a very strange behavior here.. http://paste.pound-python.org/show/22574/ |
| 20:38.34 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 20:38.43 | mentor | See boring DCC SEND exploit above |
| 20:40.00 | jelly-hme | I'm not sure they see it when it happens |
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| 20:40.40 | ski | hm, can i `scp' files, preserving the user and group ownership ? |
| 20:40.40 | mentor | lx00: There was a boring DCC SEND exploit above |
| 20:40.58 | roboman2444 | heh |
| 20:41.01 | redShadow | anybody has an idea on why nothing inside the chroot seems to be able to run that executable -- although I perfectly see it? |
| 20:41.04 | roboman2444 | there used to be a ton of dcc exploits |
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| 20:41.09 | roboman2444 | cough mirc cough |
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| 20:42.34 | ski | (or can i `chown' (e.g. recursively), preserving modification and access time ?) |
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| 20:49.36 | roboman2444 | so any help with my audio problemos |
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| 20:53.19 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, I had exported my /var/lib/mysql into a tar when doing a backup of my server. I'm scared to overwrite stuff, is there any chance that happening or do I have to be careful of the specific directories I put back on the newly reinstalled server ? |
| 20:55.24 | ompaul | _DomY-Dom: make a "safe haven" somewhere on the machine perhaps a /old-machine in there drop your etc.tar www.tar.bz2 mysql.tar into there open them up in a specific place so you can test if or how to drop them into places |
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| 20:55.36 | ArthurB | dudley, still around? |
| 20:55.38 | bardzusny | _DomY-Dom: mysqldump? |
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| 20:56.11 | ompaul | bardzusny: he was unable to do that as mysql was off - so all he could do was tar up /var/lib/mysql or some such |
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| 20:57.06 | ompaul | bardzusny: and for reasons that are far too complex to go into I point to an impossible situation that mysqldump was not useful |
| 20:57.19 | ompaul | it would have been useful 5 hours earlier but ehy |
| 20:57.21 | ompaul | hey |
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| 21:00.07 | _DomY-Dom | ompaul bardzusny: So what do you recommend ? |
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| 21:00.21 | ArthurB | oh joy, the xorg update doesn't just break fglrx, it breaks 3d acceleration |
| 21:00.29 | ArthurB | even with the free driver |
| 21:00.49 | ompaul | _DomY-Dom: as I said the other day, install mysql, and drop the data back, then ask mysql to open up these old dbs |
| 21:00.52 | ompaul | hopefully they do |
| 21:00.56 | ompaul | but put www in there |
| 21:01.00 | ompaul | first |
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| 21:01.48 | ompaul | also go read the data in /etc/apache/ so you can see what your setup for web was - also check out your /etc/networking and /etc/named stuff |
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| 21:02.07 | _DomY-Dom | ompaul: yes that's what i'm doing, yes i'll get the vhosts from etc back |
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| 21:02.45 | ompaul | _DomY-Dom: so go do this, when you have it done, write a short essay explaining exactly what you did on paste.debian.net |
| 21:02.52 | ompaul | then you can ask in channel for help |
| 21:03.17 | ompaul | I need to sleep |
| 21:03.20 | _DomY-Dom | ompaul: np thanks ;) good night |
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| 21:03.25 | bardzusny | ompaul: mysqld off is a good reason, I must've missed it |
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| 21:03.49 | ompaul | bardzusny: broken upgrade reboot |
| 21:03.54 | ompaul | no idea about status of db |
| 21:04.00 | ompaul | I wasn't there for that part |
| 21:04.15 | ompaul | bardzusny: basically he has backups of var/www the mysql dbs and /etc |
| 21:04.27 | ompaul | his vps was nuked from space |
| 21:04.36 | ompaul | _DomY-Dom: what version did they install? |
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| 21:07.10 | _DomY-Dom | ompaul: Debian 6 |
| 21:07.41 | ompaul | _DomY-Dom: please stay with the channel, take your time answering peoples questions, get it right first time :) |
| 21:07.47 | ompaul | _DomY-Dom: good luck |
| 21:07.57 | _DomY-Dom | ompaul: Thanks :) |
| 21:09.04 | ompaul | night n good luck |
| 21:09.38 | _DomY-Dom | ompaul: to you too ;) |
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| 21:16.42 | trysten | hello #debian! |
| 21:16.42 | trysten | :D |
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| 21:19.41 | kingsley | Which command reveals a package's copyright or license? |
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| 21:21.42 | roboman2444 | argh |
| 21:21.52 | roboman2444 | this alsa and pulse being mean to eachother it getting annoying |
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| 21:23.08 | nkuttler | kingsley: pager /usr/share/doc/package/copyright |
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| 21:27.12 | kuwrefem | hey, i asked about this about an hour ago and then did the process again. i'm not really sure what the problem is, surprised there is a problem. third in a row install of debian 6.05 32 bit doesn't boot. no other os on the system, freshly formatted |
| 21:28.10 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: do you get to grub? |
| 21:28.11 | kuwrefem | made separate attempts with grub to sda and to its own partition... |
| 21:28.12 | mjmt | kuwrefem: How far do you get, BIOS copping out, grub menu, ...? |
| 21:28.15 | kuwrefem | yes |
| 21:28.28 | kuwrefem | grub installed successfully |
| 21:28.35 | kuwrefem | i get to a cursor prompt, black screen |
| 21:28.54 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: what mjmt asked |
| 21:29.19 | kuwrefem | on boot, i get to a cursor prompt that's all |
| 21:29.40 | nkuttler | sounds to me like your bios is broken |
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| 21:29.55 | kuwrefem | computer was working fine 24 hrs ago |
| 21:30.00 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: did you read the install manual and follow all steps? as in grub was installed etc |
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| 21:30.22 | kuwrefem | yes to all. i could have missed something but i have done this before |
| 21:30.26 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: and what do you see before the "cursor prompt"? |
| 21:30.51 | kuwrefem | i see the bios screen |
| 21:30.57 | mjmt | kuwrefem: Could it be you've reenabled onboard graphics, or your graphics card's borked or slipped out of place? |
| 21:31.57 | kuwrefem | i really don't think so anything has slipped out of place. not sure about reenabled onboard graphics i don't recall any decisions inthe installer on that front |
| 21:32.09 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: yeah, it could be some hardware incompatibility |
| 21:32.13 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: what kind of machine is it? |
| 21:32.22 | kuwrefem | old laptop. acer 9410z |
| 21:32.24 | mjmt | Nah that's BIOS controls that. |
| 21:33.33 | kuwrefem | i can get to a shell in rescue mode... |
| 21:33.35 | nkuttler | i've seen systems not boot with the post-install kernel |
| 21:33.51 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: oh well that's wonderful... |
| 21:34.03 | kuwrefem | i did have ubuntu 10.04 on it before, no problems.. |
| 21:34.04 | nkuttler | is that the "cursor prompt" you were referring to? that's called single user mode |
| 21:34.05 | mjmt | Fun. |
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| 21:34.43 | kuwrefem | no, that's not wha ti meant by cursor prompt. blackscreen with a blinking cursor that doesn't respond to typing |
| 21:34.44 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: or is your problem only that xorg doesn't start? |
| 21:35.01 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: so how did you get into rescue mode? |
| 21:35.10 | kuwrefem | even if xorg didn't start wouldn't i go into run level... 3 is it? |
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| 21:35.43 | kuwrefem | i got into rescue mode via the install cd |
| 21:36.48 | nkuttler | kuwrefem: there's an installer support channel #debian-boot on the oftc irc network |
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| 21:37.52 | kuwrefem | okay. will try there as well. call out if any good ideas come up |
| 21:37.56 | kuwrefem | thanks all |
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| 21:39.28 | kuwrefem | well that room is all but empty |
| 21:40.02 | craigevil | 101 people there, its on oftc not freendoe |
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| 21:40.20 | nkuttler | !tell kuwrefem about oftc |
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| 21:42.19 | NASDAQEnema | when is lighttpd 1.5 coming out? |
| 21:42.50 | nkuttler | NASDAQEnema: try #lighttpd |
| 21:43.06 | Corey | nkuttler: Ask upstream. :-) |
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| 21:43.38 | nkuttler | Corey: bother the devs with such questions when there's a support channel? ... |
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| 21:44.21 | Corey | nkuttler: The upstream project, specifically. So yeah, the channel counts as "upstream." |
| 21:47.39 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, I really need help here, I have a database of my website right called let's say "abcdef" and I had exported it from a dedicated server with a broken web server. ompaul (from this channel) had made me export it as a .tar onto my computer. I have now restored it in /var/lib/mysql. However, on phpmyadmin, the database "abcdef" is said to have no tables and I do not how to get it to load them |
| 21:48.10 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: you used the binary mysql files to transfer the data!? |
| 21:48.33 | _DomY-Dom | I exported /var/lib/mysql to mysql.tar |
| 21:48.33 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: that's a very bad idea. use mysqldump |
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| 21:48.37 | Porto | hi |
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| 21:49.10 | Porto | anyone can help i need to make a install debian from usb pen drive |
| 21:49.12 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: anyway.. you need to restore the mysql db as well... the one that contains infos about existing databases, users, etc. this will only work on binary compatible mysql versions |
| 21:49.19 | Porto | how can i create usb boot with debian |
| 21:49.20 | Porto | ? |
| 21:49.21 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: bardzusny |
| 21:49.21 | _DomY-Dom | _DomY-Dom: mysqldump? |
| 21:49.21 | nkuttler | !tell Porto about ig |
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| 21:49.51 | _DomY-Dom | Dammit sorry for that |
| 21:49.53 | nkuttler | Porto: basically cat installer.img > /dev/usbdrive and boot from usb |
| 21:49.57 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: yes |
| 21:50.05 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/171647/ |
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| 21:50.21 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: huh? |
| 21:50.57 | WinstonSmith | nkuttler: better use dd. |
| 21:51.05 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: earlier on this channel someone said to use mysqldump and ompaul said it wasn't a good idea |
| 21:51.22 | _DomY-Dom | that was bardzusny* |
| 21:51.23 | nkuttler | WinstonSmith: oh is dd recommended? always seem to forget |
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| 21:51.40 | dvs | nkuttler: That's not in the install guide |
| 21:51.59 | nkuttler | anyway |
| 21:52.12 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: mysqldump is the only safe way to export/transfer data |
| 21:52.14 | WinstonSmith | nkuttler: i don't remember the exact reason TBH. had something to do with reading/writing the last sectors i think |
| 21:52.29 | nkuttler | well i pointed to the ig first |
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| 21:52.55 | WinstonSmith | :) |
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| 21:53.24 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: if you have binary compatible mysql releases... like i already said.. you need to restore the mysql admin tables as well. just restore everything |
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| 21:53.27 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: 1) dd ? 2) in the my backed up /var/lib/mysql i have the databases and this http://cl.ly/1V2I0n3R0h3p1Q2e0f09 what do i have to restore ? and how using mysqldump ? ompaul said not to use that... |
| 21:53.49 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: I had only backed-up /var/www, /var/lib/mysql and /etc |
| 21:54.00 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: go back to the db server and create proper db dmps |
| 21:54.02 | nkuttler | dumps |
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| 21:54.17 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: how do I do that ? |
| 21:54.22 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: what? |
| 21:54.38 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: how do I do what you just told me to ? I have never used mysqldumps |
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| 21:55.08 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: man mysqldump.. mysqldump -u whatever -p > dump.sql or somesuch |
| 21:55.23 | nkuttler | oh, forgot the db... see the man page |
| 21:55.24 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: dude…. I DON'T HAVE THE .sqls ! |
| 21:55.35 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: dude... that would create them |
| 21:55.36 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: I have nothing in .sql format |
| 21:55.44 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: right |
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| 21:57.07 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: also what was that about backing up all the otherstuff ? did you see the link I sent you what else do I need to back up ? the stuff from /var/lib/mysql/mysql (as in the sub directory mysql in mysql ?) what about overwrites ? i'm trying to be careful |
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| 21:57.34 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: i never touch the binary mysql files. i consider them useless |
| 21:57.46 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: all my backups are of proper dumps |
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| 21:58.01 | nezZario | actually, most poeple have no idea how to backup mysql properly |
| 21:58.04 | nezZario | binary files work fine |
| 21:58.09 | nkuttler | no they don't |
| 21:58.20 | nezZario | as long as the tables were locked during copy |
| 21:58.30 | nezZario | yeah, .. you never used mysqlhotcopy? |
| 21:59.04 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler / nezZario: ok so just to check i've got this right, i have the directory right, db_name on my computer and i can do this thing with mysqldump and generate a db_name.sql and then just import it through like phpmyadmin n stuff ? |
| 21:59.08 | nezZario | _DomY-Dom: just move the files from /var/lib/mysql back to /var/lib/mysql .. if you have problems you might need to run REPAIR TABLE.. works |
| 21:59.12 | nezZario | no man, just move the files |
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| 21:59.21 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: all of them ? |
| 21:59.29 | nezZario | yes it should be 3 files per table (myISAM) |
| 21:59.52 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: and like i said.. you need the mysql tables |
| 21:59.52 | nezZario | if you had innodb tables you might be screwed, though |
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| 22:00.09 | masmovale | @ciao |
| 22:00.14 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: this is what i had from /var/lib/mysql http://cl.ly/1V2I0n3R0h3p1Q2e0f09 that and the database directory "db_name" let's say it's called that |
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| 22:00.32 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: I just move all of that to the new /var/lib/mysql and overwrite the files….. ? |
| 22:00.44 | nezZario | yes....... |
| 22:00.50 | nezZario | how is that hard to fathom? |
| 22:00.51 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: do you have any databases on the new server you want to keep? |
| 22:01.00 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: no |
| 22:01.03 | nezZario | if you're really worried, cp -R /var/lib/mysql/ /var/lib/mysql.newbackup |
| 22:01.07 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: just making sure nothing will get messed up |
| 22:01.08 | nkuttler | well then go ahead.. |
| 22:01.14 | masmovale | i wont the film |
| 22:01.14 | nkuttler | after creating a backup |
| 22:01.28 | masmovale | download film |
| 22:01.30 | _DomY-Dom | ok |
| 22:01.39 | nezZario | 'BB', 'HLX', 'mysql', 'SB' are all databases |
| 22:01.48 | nezZario | inside, you will find about 3 files per table (maybe more, if you had more indexes) |
| 22:02.08 | nezZario | next time, test your restore procedure before relying on a backup system |
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| 22:02.48 | masmovale | come si scaricano film? |
| 22:03.07 | nkuttler | !it |
| 22:03.08 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:03.23 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: and then what do i use with mysqldump to generate the .sql file ? |
| 22:03.24 | masmovale | grazie |
| 22:03.36 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: just the directory of my database or all of that… ? |
| 22:03.41 | nezZario | NO |
| 22:03.44 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: you don't need mysqldump if you use the files |
| 22:04.00 | nezZario | mv /var/backup/var/lib/mysql /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:04.01 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: sure… ? so then when i restart mysql the tables should all be there ? |
| 22:04.05 | nezZario | service mysql start |
| 22:04.14 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: that's nezZario's territory |
| 22:04.20 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: riiight hopefully it will work, let's see |
| 22:04.30 | nezZario | that's why I use mysqlhotcopy instead of mysqldump when using myISAM only tables |
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| 22:04.42 | nezZario | it's a faster backup, less lock time, faster restore |
| 22:05.04 | nkuttler | well.. fortunately i don't have to run big mysql dbs :) |
| 22:05.13 | nezZario | and don't have to worry about anything being lost in translation from binary->sql->binary |
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| 22:08.33 | Jayflux | is sysvconfig obselete? |
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| 22:09.02 | timini | what user does apache run as? |
| 22:10.05 | nkuttler | timini: man ps. default www-data |
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| 22:10.39 | nkuttler | , versions sysvconfig |
| 22:10.41 | judd | Package: sysvconfig on i386 -- lenny: 0.81 |
| 22:10.57 | nkuttler | Jayflux: yes |
| 22:11.07 | Jayflux | nkuttler whats used now? |
| 22:11.16 | nkuttler | Jayflux: try rcconf if you don't like update-rc.d |
| 22:12.03 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 22:12.11 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: what was that repair table thing again ? |
| 22:12.31 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: you're doing nezZario's suggestion, ask him |
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| 22:12.47 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: !!!! |
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| 22:15.13 | Jayflux | nkuttler i could used to do services [name] start for example. Whats the package that let you do that? |
| 22:15.13 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! what was the thing to repair again ? |
| 22:15.31 | nkuttler | Jayflux: no idea. /etc/init.d/name start works for me |
| 22:15.37 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: nezZario's suggestion doesn't seem to have worked. What would I have had to export to .sql with mysql dump ? the directory itself ? |
| 22:15.40 | Jayflux | ok thanks anyway |
| 22:16.12 | nezZario | _DomY-Dom, i'm actually in the midle of doing backups right now |
| 22:16.27 | nkuttler | ew, manual backups :p |
| 22:16.32 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: I have a very important site to restore before tomorrow midnight |
| 22:16.39 | nezZario | the way I'm doing it is running mysqlhotcopy to get the binary files an then also running mysqldump to get innodb backups as well as another "layer" for myisam |
| 22:16.44 | nezZario | no man, like writing a new solution |
| 22:16.47 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: it's 11:16 where I am personnally. Your suggestion does not seem to have worked.. |
| 22:16.53 | nkuttler | nezZario: glad to hear it |
| 22:17.01 | nezZario | _DomY-Dom, whta's the issue? |
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| 22:17.14 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: I copied everything + the database but mysql want start |
| 22:17.18 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: it just fails |
| 22:17.24 | nezZario | you probably have corrupted them, then |
| 22:17.33 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: how do I fix that ? |
| 22:17.34 | nezZario | one sec, |
| 22:17.40 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: Ok, thanks |
| 22:17.57 | nezZario | _DomY-Dom, for future reference, binary files work fine *as long as they aren't being written to when you make the copy* |
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| 22:18.16 | nezZario | the only way you can do that (guarantee they aren't being written to) is locking them with LOCK TABLE.. |
| 22:18.23 | nezZario | you could of also ran mysqlhotcopy which does locking for you |
| 22:18.31 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: ok wait so you're saying I should start the whole operation again |
| 22:18.43 | nezZario | no |
| 22:18.44 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: so get that thing from /var/lib/mysql.newbackup, put it back and do the copy again |
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| 22:18.51 | nezZario | no ... |
| 22:18.52 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: ok so what then ? |
| 22:19.00 | nezZario | i'm telling you that you mgiht have worthless binary files |
| 22:19.08 | nezZario | but, let me find that command to run offline repairs |
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| 22:19.37 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: ok |
| 22:19.49 | nkuttler | !ops join flood |
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| 22:20.21 | nezZario | myisamchck |
| 22:20.51 | nezZario | try running myisamchk mysql for starters |
| 22:21.48 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: riiiight how do I run that ? |
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| 22:22.25 | nezZario | unbelieveably, by typing myisamchk mysql |
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| 22:22.54 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: nope ;) |
| 22:22.55 | nezZario | or, try |
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| 22:23.19 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: yes ? |
| 22:23.36 | nezZario | something like myisamchk /var/lib/mysql/mysql/*.MYD |
| 22:23.37 | nezZario | maybe |
| 22:23.44 | nezZario | i forget off the top of my head |
| 22:24.01 | nezZario | or better yet |
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| 22:24.10 | trysten | #debian! help! |
| 22:24.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell trysten -about ask |
| 22:24.23 | trysten | i have a process that i can't get rid of! i've tried everything (that i can think of) |
| 22:24.42 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: can you give me a command that won't go wrong please ? so it will fix it and i will be able to restart mysql and the database will be restored, and everything will work! |
| 22:24.43 | trysten | how can i exterminate processes |
| 22:24.44 | nezZario | _DomY-Dom: straight from the manpage says You can even check all tables in all databases by specifying a wildcard with the path to the MySQL data directory:: shell> myisamchk /path/to/datadir/*/*.MYI |
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| 22:25.15 | dondelelcaro | trysten: kill -9 pid; |
| 22:25.41 | trysten | still alive |
| 22:25.46 | trysten | o.O |
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| 22:26.42 | dondelelcaro | trysten: what does ps pid; say? |
| 22:26.55 | trysten | defunct |
| 22:26.59 | trysten | >:| |
| 22:27.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell trysten -about zombies |
| 22:27.22 | mentor | The process is dead |
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| 22:29.13 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: still failed startiing mysql server : http://paste.debian.net/171649/ |
| 22:30.13 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: you're really nice and all, but you realise my frustration after two days, this thing isn't working, all the files are there I assure you, all of them and the db of the specific website, then mysql wouldn't start, just did this repair thing you told me to do, and then tried starting again, it didn't work |
| 22:30.22 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: do you think your suggestion would have worked better ? |
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| 22:30.33 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: what is the output of /var/log/daemon.log or similar? |
| 22:30.39 | nezZario | if you'd read the man page instead of expecting me to fix it for you, you would of fixed it |
| 22:31.16 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: something atrociously long, give me asec |
| 22:31.37 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: time efficient wise, the channel is supposed to be the place to help... |
| 22:32.20 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: that's fine; put it in a paste site. |
| 22:32.45 | p3rror | any one use sticky notes ? |
| 22:33.15 | nezZario | i never said the last thing I told you to try would even fix it, and, once again, "time wise" it would be a lot easier if you understood 1% of what i'm telling you |
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| 22:33.41 | nezZario | 'tis all I ask. |
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| 22:33.47 | Danielss89 | hmm i'm trying to change user from root.. |
| 22:33.52 | Danielss89 | isn't that with "su" ? |
| 22:34.02 | WinstonSmith | su username |
| 22:34.07 | Andorin | Sometimes when I open a large image in my browser, my entire computer freezes. I just had to do a hard-shutdown to get around it. What's going on? |
| 22:34.38 | nkuttler | Andorin: check your logs and tell us. you should try to ssh in when it freezes |
| 22:34.45 | streuner | please tell us more details, maybe we are able to help then... |
| 22:34.50 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: paste.debian wouldn't even take it, used this: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/22587/, note sperecfr_maintool thingy is the name of the directory of the website's database |
| 22:34.51 | Danielss89 | WinstonSmith: it doesn't change :S |
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| 22:35.03 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: what will fix it exactly? can I have the link to the manpage please ? |
| 22:35.09 | Danielss89 | zehntech:~# su danielss89 |
| 22:35.09 | Danielss89 | zehntech:~# whoami |
| 22:35.10 | Danielss89 | root |
| 22:35.23 | Andorin | Okay. I've had this bug before on Debian, and I was told to try to ssh into it. I remember being able to, so I think it's just my GUI that freezes instead of my whole system. |
| 22:35.29 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: dunno if you've been following but, do you think I should try your mysqldump method at this stage ? How would I do that anyways ? |
| 22:35.34 | Andorin | And I don't remember logs being any help. |
| 22:35.48 | WinstonSmith | Danielss89: and does that user exist? can you log in with it normally? |
| 22:36.00 | Danielss89 | if i do user add danielss89 it says it exists |
| 22:36.01 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: i told you several times... go to old db server, dump files, man mysqldump, to import mysql -u whatever -p < foo.sql. good luck |
| 22:36.12 | WinstonSmith | can you log in with it normally? |
| 22:36.17 | nkuttler | so much for binary backups work.. |
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| 22:36.33 | Danielss89 | WinstonSmith: havent tried |
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| 22:36.48 | WinstonSmith | Danielss89: well go for it then |
| 22:37.29 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: don't know if it's me or you who haven't understood each other. There is a DIRECTORY called mydatabase which is the only thing I HAVE LEFT of the database. You mean to say I can export that into a .sql ? I don't know what "old db server" you're talking about, there isn't one ! |
| 22:37.44 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: if you look at the error log, you'll see #007/usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/plugin.frm' (errno: 13) 20528 18:27:38 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
| 22:37.47 | tharkun | _DomY-Dom: Breathe, you are one with your computer. Draw ( I mean literally draw) what you want out of your server and begin to fix it part by part. Get all parts running independently then start to make them work together. |
| 22:37.51 | nkuttler | _DomY-Dom: well good luck then |
| 22:37.55 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: seems to be missing some .frm extensions, not sure what those are, I don't have anyting of that sort in my /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:37.56 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: if you look at the error log, you'll see #007/usr/sbin/mysqld: Can't find file: './mysql/plugin.frm' (errno: 13) 20528 18:27:38 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
| 22:37.57 | _DomY-Dom | nkuttler: ?? |
| 22:38.20 | dondelelcaro | _DomY-Dom: which looks like you need to run mysql_upgrade at some point in time |
| 22:38.22 | Danielss89 | dondelelcaro: umm what? |
| 22:38.28 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: sorry, that wasn't to you |
| 22:38.32 | Danielss89 | ahh |
| 22:38.46 | nezZario | wait |
| 22:39.16 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/22588/ |
| 22:39.19 | _DomY-Dom | nezZario: yes ? |
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| 22:41.13 | _DomY-Dom | dondelelcaro: ?? |
| 22:41.52 | Danielss89 | WinstonSmith: hmm i can't login with ssh with it. it just closes the connection |
| 22:42.37 | WinstonSmith | Danielss89: did you create a homedir for the user as you created it? |
| 22:42.55 | Danielss89 | WinstonSmith: probably not.. just "useradd danielss89" |
| 22:43.21 | tharkun | Danielss89: adduser != useradd |
| 22:43.26 | WinstonSmith | Danielss89: useradd -m username |
| 22:43.43 | Danielss89 | WinstonSmith: useradd: user 'danielss89' already exists |
| 22:43.47 | WinstonSmith | and what tharkun said |
| 22:43.49 | Danielss89 | i did user add sorry |
| 22:43.55 | Danielss89 | no space |
| 22:44.00 | WinstonSmith | Danielss89: delete it first |
| 22:44.07 | Danielss89 | userremove :D |
| 22:44.33 | tharkun | Danielss89: "useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead." |
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| 22:45.11 | offnod | my synaptic package manager freezes upon launch of the program (ditto for update manager and even software sources) how would I go about troubleshooting my problem? I've experienced this after I installed pidgin, I have removed it already, no change. |
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| 22:47.21 | offnod | the worst is synaptic package manager, because shortly after i force quit, my computer screen freezes, except my mouse, and any movie or music i had playing would continue to come through my speakers. |
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| 22:58.54 | tashbear | ,versions tvtimr |
| 22:58.55 | judd | No package named 'tvtimr' was found in i386. |
| 22:58.58 | tashbear | ,versions tvtime |
| 22:58.59 | judd | Package: tvtime on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.2-1; squeeze: 1.0.2-6.1; wheezy: 1.0.2-8; sid: 1.0.2-9 |
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| 23:09.38 | _DomY-Dom | GOT IT TO WORK, many thanks to nezZario, will make a tutorial later, nezZario's method works :) ! night #debian :) |
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| 23:34.26 | tharkun | Good $TIME. What would be a hazzle free easy to configure VPN for debian as a server and MAC OSX as a client? |
| 23:35.37 | WinstonSmith | tharkun: openvpn? |
| 23:35.43 | nezZario | well ok |
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| 23:35.54 | WinstonSmith | don't know about hassle-free though |
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| 23:36.22 | nezZario | how exactly will sudo work when it runs a script? |
| 23:36.36 | nezZario | does X user have to have permissions/rights to run everything within that script as well? |
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| 23:37.11 | tharkun | WinstonSmith: The debian end doesn't bother me at all but the MAC OSX client. I haven't got a clue about them at all |
| 23:37.42 | WinstonSmith | tharkun: heh me neither. i never used MacOS |
| 23:37.59 | WinstonSmith | but there is a openvpn client for OSX IIRC |
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| 23:38.27 | tharkun | WinstonSmith: let me get my hands on some mac to see how stuff is made there. Thanks for the tip |
| 23:38.49 | WinstonSmith | bows to tharkun |
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| 23:40.12 | HTT-Bird | what is the deal with the libncurses->libtinfo dependency transition in chktex from 1.6.3-2 to 1.6.4-3, and when was this change made? |
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| 23:43.36 | streuner | HTT-Bird: packages.debian.org/<package>/changelog ? :-) |
| 23:43.44 | pav5088 | = refugee from Gnome3 (wheezy)... what desktop environments on Debian are worth trying? I've tried KDE, lxde (current) and xfce thus far... (My problem with the new environments is they don't support my way of working well ie. multiple visible instances of the same application eg. browsers, terminals |
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| 23:44.12 | HTT-Bird | streuner: I've tried looking in the changelog, but it doesn't say a thing about the change |
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| 23:44.40 | streuner | bad luck |
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| 23:45.34 | HTT-Bird | streuner: what does that change do? |
| 23:46.08 | HTT-Bird | I need to grab a newer version of that package (>=1.6.4-2) for the system I'm on as 1.6.4-2 fixes a rather aggravating bug in chktex proper |
| 23:46.15 | pav5088 | HTT-Bird, is there a timestamp on the Sid mirror or something? |
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| 23:46.36 | HTT-Bird | pav5088: there's probably a timestamp in PTS, but how would that help me? |
| 23:46.38 | pav5088 | ...might give an upper bound |
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| 23:47.01 | aussa | hi, does the hdmi port depends on the nvidia drivers? mine is not working and it doesn't even appear when I run 'xrandr' |
| 23:47.15 | HTT-Bird | 2010-11-23 <-- that was when 1.6.4-1 was accepted into Sid |
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| 23:48.37 | gatekiller | Good Evening from the UK |
| 23:48.39 | pav5088 | HTT-Bird, you could try submitting a bug report (and mentioning that the bug is fixed upstream). Perhaps you'll get feedback direct from the maintainers. |
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| 23:49.15 | HTT-Bird | pav5088: it's not just fixed upstream, it's fixed in newer distros than the one I'm on right now :P |
| 23:49.32 | HTT-Bird | which is why this issue with the dependency change is so gosh darn annoying |
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| 23:50.19 | pav5088 | HTT-Bird, are you talking about Squeeze? If so have you checked for a backport of the package? |
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| 23:50.30 | edju | A pointer to how to configure things so that user's kmail gets root mail? etc/aliases has root:edj, but that doesn't do it. What else? |
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| 23:51.38 | HTT-Bird | pav5088: (it's actually Mint 9 LTS, :o, but I figured I'd ask here since this dependency change is shared between Mint, Ubuntu, and Debian) |
| 23:51.42 | pav5088 | HTT-Bird, actually scratch that... it's not even in Sid? |
| 23:51.59 | HTT-Bird | Sid uses 1.6.4-4, Wheezy uses 1.6.4-3 |
| 23:52.05 | HTT-Bird | Squeeze uses 1.6.3-2 |
| 23:52.19 | HTT-Bird | Ubuntu didn't pull 1.6.4-x versions until Pangolin |
| 23:52.20 | streuner | !tell HTT-Bird about mint |
| 23:52.54 | HTT-Bird | streuner: like I said, the issue here is the un-logged dep change from 1.6.3-x to 1.6.4-x |
| 23:53.03 | HTT-Bird | and it's COMMON to Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint |
| 23:53.17 | streuner | you are using mint and NOT Debian... |
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| 23:53.41 | HTT-Bird | what part of the word 'common' do you not understand? |
| 23:54.01 | HTT-Bird | trouts streuner |
| 23:54.09 | streuner | HTT-Bird: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 23:54.59 | simonlnu | HTT-Bird: dude, just go to the mint channel. let it go. |
| 23:55.03 | streuner | HTT-Bird: we support Debian and not any other distro, please keep that in mind |
| 23:55.33 | HTT-Bird | hrm, will try there, but I wouldn't be surprised if they send me back here or point me at #ubuntu |
| 23:55.40 | HTT-Bird | o.O |
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| 23:56.49 | simonlnu | um, you're using mint, it wouldn't be right if they did redirect you. |
| 23:56.49 | pav5088 | HTT-Bird, is it possible to build from a source package? |
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| 23:57.11 | HTT-Bird | pav5088: I could, theoretically. this box isn't set up for that work though. |
| 23:59.28 | parcs` | how does one download all the packages built from a source package? |
| 23:59.32 | pav5088 | HTT-Bird, it doesn't look like there's a backport unfortunately... perhaps your best bet is using the tools to cook up your own binary package. It's been a loooong time since I had to do that kind of thing, but I think there are scripts that automagically download your dependencies, build etc... |
| 23:59.58 | parcs` | or rather all the packages built from a source package that are already installed |