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| 00:00.11 | HTT-Bird | pav5088: hrm, I have a laptop with Debian testing on it that is set up for building stuff from source... |
| 00:00.24 | HTT-Bird | what would the best way for me to cross-build a package on that box to work over here? |
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| 00:00.52 | tharkun | HTT-Bird: you can virtualize ;P |
| 00:01.09 | HTT-Bird | tharkun: as in a chrooted build setup? or full VM? |
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| 00:01.30 | HTT-Bird | (the latter is probably a no go, as that box sadly lives up to the current Debian testing codename :P) |
| 00:01.51 | tharkun | HTT-Bird: Either way but I think you allready answered yourself |
| 00:02.10 | HTT-Bird | yeah. I'll have to do the chroot thing if I want to go that route. |
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| 00:04.15 | pav5088 | parcs`: apt-get build-deps packagename (I think) |
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| 00:15.26 | arthurdent | i've noticed a weird error, i haven't found a bug report for it... when i use the login command to log into another user certain keys don't work, like the 'e' key |
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| 00:20.01 | streuner | arthurdent: sounds scrary |
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| 00:20.20 | streuner | arthurdent: what kind of arch do you use in Debian? |
| 00:20.35 | arthurdent | 64 |
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| 00:20.45 | streuner | amd? |
| 00:20.56 | streuner | amd64 |
| 00:21.06 | arthurdent | intel, virtualized, but I really don't see how that could cause the problem |
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| 00:21.20 | roboman2444 | AL lib: alsa_open_playback: Could not open playback device 'default': Invalid argument |
| 00:21.21 | roboman2444 | ^C |
| 00:21.23 | roboman2444 | how do i fix? |
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| 00:21.29 | arthurdent | the farthest i've been able to tell, it's related to a conflict between rxvt and inputrc |
| 00:22.11 | arthurdent | er, i tested it with gnome-terminal, i guess it's a problem with bash and inputrc |
| 00:22.37 | arthurdent | i can type capital Es, and like i said, it only happens with the login command... |
| 00:23.03 | arthurdent | also i can type e in vim, it's only in the terminal where I have the issue |
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| 00:26.50 | arthurdent | streuner: there is a chance it's because i'm using a shitty mac keyboard... |
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| 00:36.27 | trysten | arthurdent: nice name. try xbindkeys -k |
| 00:36.31 | trysten | that's what i use, anyway |
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| 01:03.10 | gnarface | arthurdent: my guess is your ctrl key is stuck on |
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| 01:03.27 | arthurdent | well that's not the problem... |
| 01:03.46 | arthurdent | otherwise other keys would act totally wonky |
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| 01:04.02 | nsadmin | wonkeys |
| 01:04.18 | arthurdent | Plus, capital e works fine... |
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| 01:05.07 | nsadmin | is this consistant across everything you use your keyboard for, including other oses? |
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| 01:05.47 | arthurdent | no, it's only for this user, and only when i use this (domain) user on this machine, and it's only in the bash prompt. any programs like vim, irssi, etc, i can type e just fine. |
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| 01:08.00 | arthurdent | let me try restarting... |
| 01:08.11 | nsadmin | only for the user... could you do: mkdir save-dot-files ; mv ~/.[a-zA-Z]* save-dot-files/ |
| 01:08.12 | simonp | arthurdent: only in bash ? |
| 01:08.31 | nsadmin | then logout/login |
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| 01:10.16 | arthurdent | well obviously not unless I name the folder somethign else... |
| 01:10.29 | arthurdent | :P |
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| 01:11.32 | arthurdent | omg -_- |
| 01:11.53 | arthurdent | somehow there was a .inputrc in my home directory that sayd "et bell off" |
| 01:11.54 | MeeBee | Hi all |
| 01:12.05 | arthurdent | I thought i checked for a .inputrc but apparently not... |
| 01:12.06 | Blackshirt | Hi meebee |
| 01:12.09 | dalias | :) |
| 01:12.14 | arthurdent | thanks for your help guys |
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| 01:12.43 | nsadmin | !next |
| 01:12.44 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 01:17.09 | MeeBee | wow it's quiet in here today... anyone here familiar with mepis |
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| 01:18.43 | craigevil | !mepis |
| 01:18.43 | dpkg | MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian. SimplyMEPIS 11 (based on Squeeze), SimplyMEPIS 8.0/8.5 (based on Lenny) and antiX (based on <testing>) are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:19.41 | MeeBee | thanks for the information but it appears #mepis requires a password to access it |
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| 01:21.05 | MeeBee | which is whyI decided to try the friendly peopel here in debian |
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| 01:23.08 | Blackshirt | MeeBee, many debian-based live cd there |
| 01:24.16 | MeeBee | agreed |
| 01:25.00 | MeeBee | which is why I asked if anyone here had any experience with Mepis, more specifically V11 |
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| 01:26.01 | Blackshirt | I have no play with mepis before, sorry guys...but i think, debian-based was greats |
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| 01:27.17 | MeeBee | ok well I'll keep looking elsewhere for help |
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| 01:31.30 | reston | hello! |
| 01:31.47 | Blackshirt | Hello |
| 01:31.58 | reston | os heres the problem , i need to get some old pc to boot from a usb key |
| 01:32.12 | reston | now i dont have an empty cds or windows installed or anything that can help |
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| 01:32.28 | reston | so no boot.ini tricks or bootloaders on a cd |
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| 01:32.56 | Blackshirt | Your board should have usb support for boot |
| 01:32.56 | reston | but i do have a cd with a bootable debian installer |
| 01:33.20 | edju | A pointer to how to configure things so that user's kmail gets root mail? etc/aliases has root:edj, but that doesn't do it. What else? |
| 01:33.26 | reston | so would i be possible to boot to the usb using the debian cd in any way possible |
| 01:33.41 | reston | or to install grub and boot to usb using grub maybe? |
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| 01:33.51 | mentor | If your BIOS doesn't support USB boot then you can't do it like that |
| 01:33.55 | reston | blackshirt, it doesnt the pc is old |
| 01:34.46 | reston | lots of ways to do it using plop boot manager |
| 01:35.04 | reston | but no empty cds around |
| 01:35.24 | mentor | You could try a netboot maybe? |
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| 01:36.11 | reston | how? |
| 01:36.14 | reston | let me check what that is |
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| 01:36.47 | Blackshirt | Mentor, you should build pxe capable server to serve the client |
| 01:37.15 | reston | reading about that right now |
| 01:37.22 | mentor | reston: Basically, it boots from the network adapter |
| 01:38.42 | reston | like an iso would be on a server that hosts the file |
| 01:38.55 | mentor | Well |
| 01:38.57 | reston | and the old pc would get the file over the network? |
| 01:39.17 | reston | well not the iso , the files i guess |
| 01:39.47 | mentor | In the second stage, files are usually transferred via TFTP |
| 01:40.18 | reston | so now i need a router running dhcp? |
| 01:40.22 | jhutchins_lt | reston: I don't believe that an image that will boot from a CD to a USB currently exists. The target audiance is pretty narrow. |
| 01:40.33 | nezZario | meh |
| 01:40.46 | jhutchins_lt | If you can boot from a CD, what's the problem |
| 01:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 01:40.55 | reston | no empty cds around |
| 01:41.05 | krisfremen | I installed my debian from a usb.. |
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| 01:41.16 | reston | not debian guys |
| 01:41.30 | mentor | reston: Maybe a CDRW? |
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| 01:41.35 | reston | i wanted to check if it was possible to boot to the usb using the debian installer cd |
| 01:41.44 | reston | looking for one |
| 01:41.48 | jhutchins_lt | Well, look for a BIOS update that allows booting from USB then. |
| 01:41.49 | reston | couldnt find so far |
| 01:42.03 | reston | :) |
| 01:42.08 | mentor | It might be possible using GrUB |
| 01:42.09 | reston | no OS installed on the old pc |
| 01:42.11 | jhutchins_lt | reston: No. |
| 01:42.50 | reston | mentor , thats what i was thinking |
| 01:43.21 | jhutchins_lt | There are some things that are better left unpersued. |
| 01:43.28 | reston | :D |
| 01:43.55 | jhutchins_lt | Really, if you have the time to persue this, learn bluegrass banjo or ueleian bagpipes. |
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| 01:46.32 | reston_ | any one came up with some more ideas? |
| 01:46.49 | reston_ | cant think of any more here |
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| 01:49.04 | reston_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=992426 |
| 01:50.33 | philipballew | Where would I find the official way to install a driver for the nVidia Corporation NV34 to replace the driver? |
| 01:51.00 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 01:51.01 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:51.42 | philipballew | high fives craigevil |
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| 02:04.30 | SHELL | HELLO BUDDIES |
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| 02:11.17 | SHELL | what |
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| 02:16.28 | trysten | hi #debian! :D |
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| 02:38.19 | roboman2444 | anyone here know how to disable synaptics-touchpad? i like evdev much better for my laptop |
| 02:40.16 | WinstonSmith | roboman2444: are you using gnome3? |
| 02:40.21 | roboman2444 | nope |
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| 02:41.31 | WinstonSmith | roboman2444: https://launchpad.net/touchpad-indicator |
| 02:41.50 | WinstonSmith | quite nice, disables the touchpad when a mouse is connected |
| 02:42.02 | roboman2444 | no, i mean use evdev as the touchpad driver instead of synaptics |
| 02:42.20 | WinstonSmith | ah, sorry i misunderstood then |
| 02:43.05 | roboman2444 | also i dont think i have an xorg.conf |
| 02:43.37 | WinstonSmith | what does xorg.conf has to do with touchpad-indicator? |
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| 02:48.40 | web1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.57 | roboman2444 | Back |
| 02:49.21 | roboman2444 | Web1 yea, it's something like update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:49.26 | craigevil | !tell web1 about Adobe Flash |
| 02:49.29 | roboman2444 | Run a command like that |
| 02:49.46 | dvs | you have to install it first |
| 02:49.50 | web1 | can u give me the full command plz ? i am a nub .. new to linux n all |
| 02:49.59 | roboman2444 | Tab |
| 02:50.04 | roboman2444 | And tabtab |
| 02:50.22 | web1 | tab ? |
| 02:50.33 | craigevil | make sure you have contrib non-free in your sources.list, apt-get update;apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:50.34 | roboman2444 | So, using evdev instead of synaptics? |
| 02:50.47 | web1 | i am atm connected to my server with ssh. can u tell me the exact command to run ? |
| 02:51.40 | web1 | craigevil: when i do :- apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:51.42 | roboman2444 | Why.. The he'll... Would you... Want flash on a server |
| 02:51.46 | web1 | i get this http://pastie.org/private/16noz3a54g2ycyxewtsg |
| 02:52.10 | web1 | trying to get a speedtest roboman2444 from speedtest.net |
| 02:52.13 | web1 | so.. |
| 02:52.25 | roboman2444 | There are better ways |
| 02:52.59 | web1 | still , i would like to have flash .. may be it will be a useful thing in future.. |
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| 02:53.10 | web1 | annyways , anyone cna give me the exact command no wplz? |
| 02:53.13 | web1 | now plz?* |
| 02:53.34 | roboman2444 | Google is your friend |
| 02:53.46 | web1 | I have already done google |
| 02:53.54 | web1 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/flashplugin-nonfree/download |
| 02:53.55 | roboman2444 | Aaaanywho.... Evdev instead of synaptics touchpad? |
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| 02:53.59 | web1 | didn't help |
| 02:54.14 | roboman2444 | Web1, lemme guess |
| 02:54.19 | roboman2444 | Minecraft server |
| 02:54.20 | web1 | yes? |
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| 02:54.28 | web1 | minecraft server ? |
| 02:54.30 | web1 | nope |
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| 02:54.38 | roboman2444 | What then? |
| 02:54.48 | web1 | ovh-kimsufi2G |
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| 02:55.00 | roboman2444 | K |
| 02:55.30 | web1 | so anyone care to give me the command plz now ? |
| 02:56.10 | roboman2444 | Apt-get update |
| 02:56.23 | roboman2444 | Then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:57.50 | craigevil | !adobe flash |
| 02:57.51 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 02:58.16 | web1 | roboman2444: i did apt-get update , and after that ur next command i.e apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:58.19 | web1 | i get this error |
| 02:58.21 | web1 | http://pastie.org/private/u00jz9pojfwu4a9jdyydtg |
| 02:58.42 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.57 | peterrooney | ,info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:58.59 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree (contrib/web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin. Version: 1:2.8.2; Size: 17.5k; Installed: 132k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:00.13 | web1 | not helping .. :( |
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| 03:00.28 | roboman2444 | Edit your sources.list |
| 03:00.40 | peterrooney | web1: I suspect your sources.list doesn't include contrib software |
| 03:00.42 | web1 | i don't even know what sources list ur saying |
| 03:00.51 | craigevil | because you have to change your sources.list first, if you do not know how to at least do that you need to learn |
| 03:00.55 | roboman2444 | 9$s says he is 12 |
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| 03:01.11 | roboman2444 | No, make that 13 |
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| 03:02.03 | peterrooney | web1: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:02.18 | craigevil | web1, http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 03:13.28 | acu | hey guys is any special rule to name partitions ? I want one /sambasharedpartition one /backupartition - I am wondering whether I should use mount /samba_share_partition or samba-share-partition or one word ? |
| 03:13.53 | roboman2444 | You don't really name partitions.... |
| 03:14.12 | roboman2444 | But I would name it ssp |
| 03:14.19 | roboman2444 | And back |
| 03:15.02 | acu | what about servers and workstations? |
| 03:15.38 | acu | roboman2444, I understand you want to make it cryptic, but is also tough to navigate through things, specially if someone else will do it |
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| 03:15.53 | roboman2444 | Ah |
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| 03:16.01 | roboman2444 | Underscores then |
| 03:16.22 | trysten | can someone help me fix my sshd_config |
| 03:16.41 | trysten | i can't get it to allow passphrase authentication |
| 03:17.41 | trysten | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 03:18.00 | roboman2444 | Do you have access into the machine? |
| 03:18.07 | roboman2444 | Or are you completely locked out? |
| 03:18.14 | trysten | uhuh, terminal on both. |
| 03:18.19 | roboman2444 | Good |
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| 03:19.53 | trysten | i've changed what i thought would be the necessary parameters. still no luck |
| 03:20.20 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 03:20.58 | Harzilein | any hints on "No module named distribute_setup" when trying to build a python-stdeb-generated package? |
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| 03:24.19 | phix | hmmmm I need to ask a samba specific question that is probably an issue with Windows :\ I am guessing I should goto another channel and ask from a Windows point of view, any one here know of a good windows channel on freenode if one exists/ |
| 03:24.42 | Harzilein | i'm not sure ##windows is good ;) |
| 03:24.48 | Harzilein | or was it #windows... |
| 03:24.58 | phix | I doubt it would be official from MS :) |
| 03:25.28 | trysten | i'll bet not. message me, phix. i've been playing around with smbd->windows sharing recently. may be of some help |
| 03:27.42 | trysten | does anyone happen to know the exact lines i need in sshd_config to enable passphrase authentication? |
| 03:27.43 | Harzilein | would like to hear about phix' problem as well, please do not take it to a private chat |
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| 03:27.43 | trysten | another channel then. i won't talk about winduze here |
| 03:27.43 | roboman2444 | trysten: not off the top of my head... But it may be in man sshd |
| 03:27.43 | roboman2444 | Or man ssh |
| 03:27.43 | roboman2444 | Or whatever |
| 03:27.43 | trysten | i've been reading man sshd_config for a while now. just can't get it :( |
| 03:27.43 | Harzilein | trysten, phix: ##windows? |
| 03:28.49 | peterrooney | IIRC PubKeyAuthentication |
| 03:29.45 | peterrooney | trysten: more particularly, "PubKeyAuthentication yes" |
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| 03:41.34 | trysten | dang. i thought that would do it, peterrooney, but i can still only enter with private keys. |
| 03:41.58 | trysten | s/enter/authorize/ |
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| 03:42.30 | acu | if you have a 24 gigabit switch and add 10 computers with Gigabit adapters and 3 with 100 MBPs , does the whole switch drop the speed, or if a gigabit computer comunicate with a agigabit at max speed |
| 03:42.35 | acu | ? |
| 03:42.43 | acu | a 24 port gigabit |
| 03:42.46 | acu | switch |
| 03:43.05 | trysten | i'm pretty sure it's all shared. so if only two computers are using it, it will go at a gigabit between them |
| 03:43.29 | trysten | that's the difference between switch and hub, i think. |
| 03:43.34 | acu | I see, |
| 03:44.09 | acu | because I am networking a LAN with cat6 cable but the switch is 100 MBit |
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| 03:45.42 | peterrooney | trysten: plus transporting keys one server to the other. Not that that has ever bit me. ^_~ |
| 03:45.54 | dondelelcaro | acu: depends on the switch |
| 03:46.28 | trysten | peterrooney: right. but i don't want to have to do that >.> i'd much rather just have passphrase authentication. i'm diffing some configs right meow |
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| 03:48.24 | acu | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0367374 |
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| 03:52.00 | dondelelcaro | acu: 4.8Gbps <-- this is the switch bandwidth |
| 03:52.50 | dondelelcaro | acu: so a switch will do gigabit, but the most it will do is 4.8Gbps across the entire framework. |
| 03:53.05 | acu | dondelelcaro, you are right, I found one for the same price with 48 GBps http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0367374 |
| 03:53.27 | acu | unless it is a typo |
| 03:53.38 | dondelelcaro | that's the same switch. |
| 03:53.59 | dondelelcaro | (you may have found a different switch, but the link is the same) |
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| 03:54.18 | acu | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0373036 |
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| 03:54.58 | acu | dondelelcaro, the above one is the new one, sorry for the confusion, and I was just thinking of a beer |
| 03:56.08 | jpinx | Does .bash_history not contain the currently running commands - or am I missing something? |
| 03:56.17 | roboman2444 | Nope |
| 03:56.29 | dondelelcaro | acu: that's better, yeah. |
| 03:56.33 | roboman2444 | I'm pretty sure that session has to end to make changes to the history file |
| 03:56.55 | jpinx | roboman2444: thanks - that confirms what i'm seeing |
| 03:57.31 | trysten | AUGHHH, why is this so hard. i just want to have passphrase authentication! |
| 03:58.57 | acu | I am setting a file samba server which is backed up with backuppc - however I have two identical boxes, I thought if I could have an exact mirror, and synch the content of the main file server with the "stand by one" every hour, how would I do that ? |
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| 04:04.55 | engla | acu: rsync |
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| 04:12.21 | trysten | acu: start with a small fileset so you can make sure the script does exactly what you want, the sync the whole thing. then put in (ana)cron |
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| 04:14.03 | acu | engla: thanks, rsync is irreplaceable :) trysten, thanks |
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| 04:15.03 | acu | if I want to copy some files (lets say 200k files) from one server to other, and I want to know what could not be copied, what best to use ? |
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| 04:15.19 | roboman2444 | Md5 |
| 04:15.21 | acu | the files on one server are samba shared |
| 04:15.32 | acu | is webdav difficult to setup |
| 04:15.33 | acu | ? |
| 04:16.05 | acu | md5! |
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| 04:22.04 | trysten | acu, try rsync -n |
| 04:23.09 | trysten | acu, armored command unit? |
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| 04:24.08 | lortech | is lubuntu supported here? |
| 04:24.19 | mjmt | lortech: Not even a little bit. |
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| 04:24.39 | trysten | wait, that's not entirely true |
| 04:24.52 | trysten | most of the subsystem is just debian, anyways, right? |
| 04:25.04 | nevyn | !ubuntu |
| 04:25.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 04:25.45 | trysten | psh, fine. i suppose if you have to ask if a distro 'is supported' you're probably not in the right place |
| 04:26.23 | mjmt | Yes it is. Seriously it's like the experiment with monkeys on different islands simultaneously learning when one group is taught. You help one guy out with Ubuntu here, THE REST OF THEM SOMEHOW KNOW. |
| 04:26.46 | roboman2444 | Hah |
| 04:26.48 | roboman2444 | Lol |
| 04:26.49 | mjmt | Tough love, or something. |
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| 04:29.22 | trysten | and yet, you could be using ubuntu, i would never know |
| 04:29.34 | peterrooney | mjmt: that should be the new /topic |
| 04:29.40 | mjmt | My gf does. |
| 04:29.49 | trysten | as long as you only talk about specific programs and don't mention *shudder* unity |
| 04:30.42 | peterrooney | trysten: the subsystem is, as I have discovered recently, different enough to hose a system because I thought they were the same. |
| 04:31.15 | trysten | ugh. i really dislike ubuntu. it's only redeeming aspect is using apt |
| 04:31.20 | trysten | and noobieness |
| 04:31.24 | mjmt | I'm flitting between a Macbook Pro and my Debian desktop, with Synergy. |
| 04:31.54 | trysten | anyways, i don't use ubuntu. i'm trying to get sshd to accept passphrases. |
| 04:32.39 | mjmt | trysten: It seems fairly bloated. I mean that's not to say it isn't great as a cohesive whole. I just prefer minimalism, hence Debian. |
| 04:33.12 | roboman2444 | Same |
| 04:33.30 | trysten | agrees |
| 04:33.34 | mjmt | Anyway, we're spoiled for choice. |
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| 04:33.58 | Harzilein | well, on the one hand it is kind of bloated. on the other hand it is very much restricted because of the default package selection |
| 04:34.24 | engla | I'd love to have unity in the debian archive. why not have the choice |
| 04:34.25 | nevyn | the problem is to do anything useful you've got to enable universe at which point you might as well just run debian |
| 04:34.32 | trysten | it's better than nothing, for giving to noobs. it's more familiar to me than say, SUSE or Mint |
| 04:34.41 | nevyn | engla: integration effort. |
| 04:34.47 | mjmt | So much thought put into Debian packaging, I have a lot of respect for. Then Ubuntu bolts on a global menu. |
| 04:35.03 | nevyn | global menu? |
| 04:35.03 | mjmt | *shuts up* |
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| 04:35.39 | mjmt | nevyn: Yeah I've been using Firefox and Thunderbird from Ubuntu for years. All of a sudden though I can't install thunderbird-gnome-support, because it requires some Ubuntu-only global menu system. |
| 04:35.49 | trysten | the new default for ubuntu sucks so bad |
| 04:37.31 | jwilliams__ | with vim Project plugin, how can i call git from within project plugin scope? |
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| 04:39.10 | mjmt | Otherwise those packages were ideal (FOR ME, note), because they're self contained, apart from needing Gtk but little else. |
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| 04:39.16 | trysten | see, this guy could be using ubuntu. we would have no idea |
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| 04:58.11 | gulzar | Wget help.I was using Scrapbook extension on Firefox to save pages I visit but Scrapbook cannot update those pages nor it can locally link them. I thought of using wget to make a local mirror of the pages I visit on Wikipedia along with local links. Which command to use? I tried [[ wget -p -k <link> ]] it saves the page but it doesn't look like the online-page. Any help. I will use it only for pages I visit. |
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| 05:01.02 | gyaresu_iphone | gulzar: You've tried the wget --mirror option? |
| 05:01.16 | n-iCe | hi |
| 05:03.08 | gulzar | gyaresu_iphone: I tried -m but it downloads more than -p -k . So I stopped it. I want to download only one link... but when any other file which has a link to any previous downloaded page ,, is downloaded... Then the new one should be linked to the old one. I want such option. I will try -m |
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| 05:04.52 | gyaresu_iphone | gulzar: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6145641/wget-how-to-mirror-only-a-section-of-a-website |
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| 05:07.57 | gulzar | gyaresu_iphone: Thank You :) |
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| 05:08.13 | gyaresu_iphone | gulzar: no |
| 05:08.18 | gyaresu_iphone | Problem |
| 05:08.34 | gyaresu_iphone | Stupid iPhone typing |
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| 05:10.28 | jfer | Hi I was recently working with sed and came accross the -E flag which doesn't appear to be documented which allows you to make use of extended regular expressions. I was wondering if this is the same as the -r flag and if there were plans to document -E by adding it to the manual? |
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| 05:12.47 | peterrooney | has a special hate-on for undocumented features |
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| 05:13.50 | jfer | peterrooney: so do I. This is why I am asking. Should I submit a bug report? |
| 05:15.22 | peterrooney | jfer: absolutely. using a flag not mentioned in the docs SHOULD raise an error, preferably with a summary of command line switches. |
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| 05:17.01 | mjmt | -E is the same for BSD sed, -r isn't. |
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| 05:18.35 | jfer | So scripts that use -E are more portable then I guess. Where should I go to submit a bug report? |
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| 05:34.03 | mjmt | jfer: Well spotted. You should add it. |
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| 05:59.56 | zamba | i know lenny has been superseded by squeeze and that not even security updates are available for it, but i need to install a package in lenny.. which mirror can i use? |
| 06:00.35 | nsadmin | try /msg dpkg lenny |
| 06:00.56 | nsadmin | !test |
| 06:00.58 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 06:00.59 | zamba | nsadmin: thanks :) |
| 06:01.13 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 06:02.04 | zamba | now i just need to upgrade to squeeze |
| 06:02.10 | jwilliams__ | is there any way to call git from other vim plugin e.g. Project plugin? |
| 06:02.11 | zamba | but i don't dare doing that remotely :) |
| 06:02.19 | nsadmin | I know the feeling |
| 06:02.28 | g4mbit | zamba, how about using screen? |
| 06:02.33 | zamba | g4mbit: huh? |
| 06:02.43 | jwilliams__ | i setup Project successfully and install fugtive, but calling :GStatus doesn't have effect. |
| 06:02.48 | zamba | g4mbit: i don't dare upgrade, because it'll probably won't reappear after reboot |
| 06:02.49 | g4mbit | remotely sounds like upgrading via ssh |
| 06:03.16 | zamba | g4mbit: from some hundreds miles away, yeah |
| 06:03.17 | g4mbit | ah k got it |
| 06:03.26 | g4mbit | :D |
| 06:03.29 | zamba | it's not like i can just get up from my chair and hook a monitor to it :) |
| 06:03.30 | nsadmin | my remote provider gave me an additional remote running squeeze, and I was able to transfer the service to it (even compiling the stack) |
| 06:03.30 | g4mbit | risky stuff |
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| 06:03.42 | nsadmin | zero risk :) |
| 06:03.48 | g4mbit | zamba thats why i got a DRAC ;) |
| 06:03.55 | zamba | g4mbit: dunno what a DRAC is :) |
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| 06:04.09 | zamba | so i'm blissfully ignorant :) |
| 06:04.20 | g4mbit | it's a PCI card with an own IP you can access via web |
| 06:04.23 | zamba | ah, dell remote access controller |
| 06:04.24 | nsadmin | the ULA style of DRACs are particularly biting and scary |
| 06:04.25 | zamba | got it |
| 06:04.30 | g4mbit | aye |
| 06:04.34 | zamba | i'm looking for an inexpensive ip-kvm |
| 06:04.53 | zamba | just a single port thingy i can have transported from site to site |
| 06:05.00 | zamba | whenever i need it |
| 06:05.28 | zamba | my "servers" are generally refurbished desktops :) |
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| 06:09.30 | ElDiabolo | Is there a way to set a password in a keyring as not modifyable ? |
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| 06:11.46 | wmchris | hi, i have a problem with my courier server - after a normal apt-get upgrade it doesnt work anymore. no errors - imapd just doesnt return anything. even via console => no output. |
| 06:11.51 | wmchris | http://nopaste.info/b4601c9819.html |
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| 06:13.15 | ElDiabolo | I hope there is a special section in hell for those who implement asking for the password as the only login error handling. |
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| 06:15.01 | nsadmin | wmchris, the courier server is imapd? |
| 06:15.09 | wmchris | yes |
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| 06:15.47 | nsadmin | when you say no output, you mean the server does not print to stdout? |
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| 06:15.59 | wmchris | yes |
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| 06:16.05 | wmchris | and im unable to activate any logging |
| 06:16.17 | nsadmin | I was just about to ask :) |
| 06:16.44 | wmchris | mail.log returns an "LOGIN successful", courier-pop3 works without problems |
| 06:17.14 | nsadmin | the imapd also does pop? |
| 06:17.23 | wmchris | nope but i have courier-pop3 installed, too |
| 06:17.34 | wmchris | with the same configuration |
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| 06:18.25 | nsadmin | when you say same configuration, you mean mainly referring to the Maildir? |
| 06:18.34 | nsadmin | what's delivering to it? |
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| 06:18.54 | wmchris | postfix |
| 06:19.06 | wmchris | but it worked before the apt-get upgrade. |
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| 06:19.13 | nsadmin | ok, is this for just you or more users too? |
| 06:19.16 | wmchris | serverwide. |
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| 06:20.37 | nsadmin | so potentially, any user of that machine can contact this machine which is running postfix, the courier-popd and the imapd? |
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| 06:21.10 | nsadmin | is there mail in there? |
| 06:21.25 | wmchris | nope its a virtual user configuration based on a mysql table |
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| 06:21.40 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 06:21.47 | wmchris | and yes there are mails, many mails
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| 06:21.58 | wmchris | as i said, using pop3 it works great |
| 06:22.03 | wmchris | http://nopaste.info/d48a2362f3.html |
| 06:22.11 | wmchris | with a lil bit more informations |
| 06:22.26 | nsadmin | so it's the imapd that's the problem? (and also postfix is working?) |
| 06:23.10 | wmchris | that or sth in direct contact with imapd |
| 06:23.22 | wmchris | for ex saslauth |
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| 06:23.56 | wmchris | (but saslauth returns an auth successful) |
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| 06:26.07 | nsadmin | this tail of mail.log, there were other entries? |
| 06:26.38 | wmchris | 5 times the same |
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| 06:26.53 | wmchris | and some successful mail recieve and sends from postfix |
| 06:26.56 | dclarke | I have a question regarding mystery CPU usage : see http://i.imgur.com/97HQ7.png |
| 06:27.08 | nsadmin | the only thing I can guess (as you must think too) is the imapd is not connected to the mail storage |
| 06:27.21 | dclarke | How do I track down where 50% of my CPU is being used, long term |
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| 06:28.43 | elik_ | I've been getting a lot of 404 in my aptitude updates recently, anybody else got that? |
| 06:28.46 | wmchris | not connected to the mail storage? |
| 06:29.05 | wmchris | but i'm entering the path - if i type a wrong it'll give an error |
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| 06:29.24 | nsadmin | wmchris, or the imapd is started with the old options which don't apply to the new imapd? |
| 06:29.31 | nsadmin | what version of debian is this? |
| 06:29.36 | wmchris | testing. |
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| 06:30.20 | nsadmin | and the upgrade you mentioned, was testing -> testing or stable -> testing? |
| 06:30.29 | wmchris | testing => testing |
| 06:30.33 | dclarke | let me try again : How do I track down where 50% of my CPU is being used, long term . top does not reveal the pids in question |
| 06:31.10 | PunTrbuh | dclarke: if you want graphical representation of long term usage, instal munin / cacti |
| 06:31.23 | PunTrbuh | you'l get nice graphs |
| 06:31.28 | nsadmin | wmchris, I'd say take a look at the imapd diff |
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| 06:31.43 | wmchris | even downgrading doesnt work |
| 06:31.57 | dclarke | okay, let me try again. What I mean is, 50% of my cpu is useds now, has been for days, but no pid's seem to be using more than 5%. What is going on ? |
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| 06:32.04 | wmchris | courier-base and imapd were downgraded - doesnt work either |
| 06:32.19 | nsadmin | so when you downgrade, it's the same results? (that would rule out imapd starting differently) |
| 06:32.36 | PunTrbuh | dclarke: can we get you to install htop and link a screenshot while it runs sorted by CPU ? |
| 06:33.06 | dclarke | sure |
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| 06:33.59 | nsadmin | wmchris, my feeling now is imapd didn't change much... it has to be something about the configuration |
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| 06:34.21 | wmchris | how can i make imapd talk a lil bit more? |
| 06:34.34 | elik | what could be the cause of 404 in aptitude updates? I'm getting it on debian security and translation packages |
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| 06:35.15 | nsadmin | hmm. I'd have to check the man page for that |
| 06:35.23 | nsadmin | I'm assuming you already have? |
| 06:35.38 | wmchris | sure, but i didnt find anything :/ |
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| 06:37.35 | nsadmin | wmchris, is there stuff in /var/mail? and, is this what's being served by the imapd? |
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| 06:38.24 | nsadmin | or more correctly, is it what you want served by the imapd? |
| 06:38.51 | nsadmin | more open-ended, where and in what format is the mail delivered by postfix? |
| 06:39.21 | wmchris | it's in var/spool/mail |
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| 06:39.56 | wmchris | and its in the default maildir format? |
| 06:40.16 | nsadmin | so it's not mbox? |
| 06:40.24 | wmchris | nop |
| 06:40.29 | wmchris | but ill look |
| 06:40.35 | nsadmin | please do :) |
| 06:40.46 | wmchris | nope its maildir |
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| 06:41.07 | nsadmin | so you see /var/spool/mail/(a buncha dirs)? |
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| 06:41.33 | dclarke | I'm back with thta screenshot from htop : http://i.imgur.com/kRM6M.png |
| 06:41.51 | nsadmin | at one point, debian decided to change from /var/spool/mail to /var/mail |
| 06:42.12 | nsadmin | can you check your configs to find any instances of /var/mail |
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| 06:42.53 | wmchris | everything is refering to /var/spool/mail |
| 06:42.57 | dclarke | this shows that the cpu usage graph on the toolbar is wrong. blatantly wrong : http://i.imgur.com/kRM6M.png |
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| 06:46.43 | dclarke | oh crap .. I'm an idiot |
| 06:47.20 | dclarke | the grey area in the toolbar graph is for iowait .. not CPU usage . However when I mouse oer it I see CPU Usage 70% or similar. Thats a bug I think |
| 06:47.24 | nsadmin | wmchris, you're not getting any permission denieds... let's check anyway... could you check a representative sample of /var/spool/mail (and also /var, /var/spool and /var/spool/mail) to make sure the perms allow at least read? |
| 06:47.44 | nsadmin | is taking shots in the black, opaque dark... |
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| 06:48.16 | dclarke | admires people that can take a wag guess |
| 06:48.25 | wmchris | http://nopaste.info/f092f40dfe.html |
| 06:49.18 | cassiel_ | hi there, my debian system can't guess the disk space |
| 06:49.21 | nsadmin | so that;s mail for the vmail user? |
| 06:49.33 | dclarke | thanks for playing folks ... iowait is the culprit ... away I go being thankful to ye debianites |
| 06:49.42 | dclarke | wanders off quietly |
| 06:50.03 | nsadmin | dclarke, have fun :) |
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| 06:50.27 | wmchris | yes |
| 06:51.57 | nsadmin | looks like some of those dirs are u+rwx, g-rwx+s |
| 06:52.52 | wmchris | yes, but i'm running the imapd as vmail |
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| 06:53.24 | nsadmin | and were before the update? |
| 06:53.45 | nsadmin | could you check that with ps? |
| 06:53.57 | wmchris | checked. |
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| 06:54.29 | nsadmin | is taking shots in the black, opaque dark while submerged in tar... |
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| 06:55.15 | gh0stn0te | hi |
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| 06:58.06 | nsadmin | Now let me take a really wild guess... all these things I've suggested to check are things you've checked already... |
| 06:58.29 | wmchris | yup. ^^ |
| 06:58.44 | nsadmin | imapd successfully bound to its port, else outside clients could not connect |
| 06:58.51 | wmchris | its bound |
| 06:59.08 | wmchris | its not a configuration error - it must be something behind it |
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| 07:00.16 | nsadmin | then the question becomes, what things are behind it? |
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| 07:02.08 | nsadmin | kernel and libs? |
| 07:02.16 | wmchris | thats the problem
i already had many big problems with the OS and the mailserver (beginning with errorious sasl packages which didnt work with postfix, up to extreme strange behaviours |
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| 07:02.20 | nsadmin | it's not networking |
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| 07:03.27 | wmchris | and the problem occured after a simple apt-get upgrade. i had a imap connection already while the upgrade, and even after this it worked for a few minutes. |
| 07:03.48 | wmchris | then - after my old imapd process died - nothing worked anymore |
| 07:04.18 | nsadmin | "a few minutes" is before you disconnected? |
| 07:04.39 | nsadmin | had you checked the BTS? |
| 07:04.53 | wmchris | bts? |
| 07:05.40 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:06.13 | wmchris | Display Postscript ? |
| 07:06.15 | nsadmin | err bts |
| 07:06.23 | nsadmin | sorry :) |
| 07:06.34 | wmchris | ah the bugtracker |
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| 07:06.44 | wmchris | nope i havn't |
| 07:06.49 | wmchris | but i'll do. |
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| 07:08.44 | nsadmin | wmchris, do you have backups of earlier config? |
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| 07:10.34 | wmchris | nope, i found that the backup routine has created corrupted backups :( |
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| 07:17.33 | nevyn | yay |
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| 07:33.05 | jvipa5g | I have a 15G NFS filesystem, and I created another local ext3 filesystem. I copied the same data and to launch the du command now observe that there is less space on the partition ext3. How is it possible? |
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| 07:38.32 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Can I set a password in the keyring to readonly? |
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| 07:40.56 | nevyn | jvipa5g: block alignment allocation blah blah handwave. |
| 07:41.38 | nsadmin | ahh... ohysics prof? |
| 07:41.43 | zW | jvipa5g: journaling ? |
| 07:44.38 | pom | I get repeated messages that LC_CTYPE and LC_ALL cannot be set to default, as this: http://pastebin.com/wmTnxCdz |
| 07:45.01 | pom | I guess the problem is that LC_CTYPE and LC_ALL has non-generated locales defined, but where do I edit this? |
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| 07:45.21 | pom | I have run dpkg-reconfigure locale and supplied a default locale but it did not help. |
| 07:45.27 | mjmt | pom: /etc/default/locale |
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| 07:48.19 | pom | mjmt: I only have this in that file: http://pastebin.com/fTXLmZSQ |
| 07:48.23 | mjmt | Mine looks like: LANGUAGE="en_AU:en_GB:en" \n LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 07:48.43 | pom | Yes, like that. :) |
| 07:48.49 | mjmt | Though I had to put that there. The proper method eludes me. |
| 07:50.12 | mjmt | I was getting warned that having those in /etc/environment is deprecated. |
| 07:52.08 | nsadmin | thinks all deprecation messages should refer to complete docs on replacements |
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| 07:52.33 | mjmt | nsadmin: Well it did. I'm not magic. |
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| 07:56.01 | jeka_vs_work | hi to all, i have small question, how i can install latest version wine from aptitude? it need "libasound2" 1.0.25 version, libasound2 need "weezy" release |
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| 07:59.55 | apofis | @jeka_vs_work : if you really need mixed version and package you want is in weezy repo - add weezy to apt config and than apt-get install package/testing or hardcore way apt-get install -t testing package_name |
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| 08:00.30 | nevyn | but pin stuff first. |
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| 08:03.06 | pom | Allright, I solved the locales problem for me. |
| 08:03.28 | pom | It was my OSX computer that forwarded the loclale env's into my Debian shell. |
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| 08:05.57 | jeka_vs_work | apofis, i try to install vmware vsphere, it need framework .net :) .net need latest wine :) |
| 08:06.06 | jeka_vs_work | *client |
| 08:06.43 | apofis | jeka_vs_work: got it :) |
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| 08:21.39 | tango73 | ciao |
| 08:21.43 | tango73 | !list |
| 08:21.44 | dpkg | tango73: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 08:22.17 | codekK | Hello, I have a question, Do I need to install Berkeley DB to use OpenLDAP? |
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| 08:23.08 | nevyn | codekK: the good news is you don't need to think about that. |
| 08:23.24 | nevyn | codekK: install openldap and if it needs berkley db debian will install it |
| 08:24.23 | codekK | nevyn, yeah i know it |
| 08:24.30 | codekK | but im learning to compile packages |
| 08:24.44 | codekK | and i compile succesfull openldap |
| 08:24.46 | nevyn | apt-get build-deps openldap |
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| 08:25.16 | codekK | nevyn, operation invalid |
| 08:25.32 | codekK | without (s) buidl-dep |
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| 08:26.22 | SomeoneWeird | build-dep |
| 08:26.24 | SomeoneWeird | -.- |
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| 08:26.46 | nevyn | I keep doing that. |
| 08:26.48 | nevyn | mybad |
| 08:26.53 | codekK | okoknp thx |
| 08:27.35 | codekK | But my problem is, i have compiled and running openldap but im searching Berkeley DB on my system and i dont find it :S |
| 08:27.48 | codekK | i need the path to add it to init script |
| 08:27.49 | codekK | :S |
| 08:28.03 | nevyn | did you build it using the package source? |
| 08:28.13 | nevyn | it should have installed an init script already. |
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| 08:29.04 | jwilliams__ | anyone use indexer vim plugin? |
| 08:29.24 | codekK | nevyn, no.. i havent it |
| 08:29.42 | codekK | i compiled it and not make a init script |
| 08:29.46 | nevyn | codekK: so you compiled the upstrea tarball? |
| 08:30.12 | codekK | i dont understand u, what is "upstrea tarball"? |
| 08:30.16 | codekK | (sry for my bad english) |
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| 08:31.13 | nevyn | the openldap source from the project website? |
| 08:31.19 | nevyn | not apt-get source openldap? |
| 08:31.28 | codekK | yes |
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| 08:31.34 | codekK | openldap source from the project website |
| 08:31.49 | nevyn | ok. I have no idea how to help then |
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| 08:32.13 | nevyn | !make install |
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| 08:39.27 | philipp_ | guys i have a intel graphic chip... is there any luck to get it working with debian? |
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| 08:40.20 | nevyn | which one? |
| 08:40.47 | nevyn | with the exception of one intel graphics adapter intel are well supported on linux |
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| 08:41.40 | philipp_ | http://paste.debian.net/171695/ |
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| 08:41.52 | philipp_ | nevyn: here you see it http://paste.debian.net/171695/ |
| 08:42.05 | philipp_ | i googled but did not find much |
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| 08:43.34 | nevyn | sigh that's unmeaningful... |
| 08:43.53 | philipp_ | nevyn: what do you need? |
| 08:43.58 | nevyn | pciid |
| 08:44.22 | nevyn | the the text can be anything the integrator (mb manuf) wants to put aiui |
| 08:44.41 | linkedinu | hello anyone from fillipine contact me please |
| 08:44.46 | philipp_ | whats that? |
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| 08:45.54 | philipp_ | nevyn: dont know what u mean... |
| 08:46.50 | philipp_ | nevyn: http://paste.debian.net/171697/ |
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| 08:49.06 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 08:49.22 | nevyn | if you google 8086:0116 |
| 08:49.24 | philipp_ | nevyn: any hope for me? do i need a hammer? |
| 08:49.46 | nsadmin | linkedinu, Hi, welcome to debian support. How can we help you with debian today? |
| 08:49.48 | nevyn | you should find lots of references including this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=74931 |
| 08:50.11 | nevyn | philipp_: so I think from that it won't work with the squeeze stock kernel you need a bdo kernel. |
| 08:50.30 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i still can not open the phpmyadmin |
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| 08:51.25 | nsadmin | I don't personally prefer mysql or php... having said that, I'll try to install it. what web server do you use? |
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| 08:53.32 | nsadmin | brb |
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| 08:54.16 | philipp_ | nevyn: i think u lost me :S |
| 08:54.34 | philipp_ | nevyn: i think my kernel modules are backported |
| 08:54.38 | nevyn | philipp_: it works. but you need to jump through a couple of hoops |
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| 08:55.25 | philipp_ | nevyn: can u give me a link to a wiki what i have to do? (idially without xorg.conf) =) |
| 08:55.40 | nevyn | xorg.conf is not involved. |
| 08:55.43 | SPF | phpmyadmin? usually its instaled outside DocRoot, so usually I use a symlink |
| 08:55.48 | nevyn | !bdo kernel |
| 08:55.48 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 08:56.01 | nevyn | philipp_: ^^ |
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| 08:58.14 | philipp_ | nevyn: i try to do what dpkg says |
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| 09:04.07 | nevyn | philipp_: this might be easier to follow... |
| 09:04.08 | nevyn | https://ticketing.nforce.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/27/0/upgrading-the-kernel-to-2638-in-debian-6-squeeze |
| 09:04.32 | Cyclohexane | what's the best way to limit users to their /home directory? (at the moment they can read but not edit other users files) |
| 09:05.42 | rozie | Cyclohexane: there's "limit users to their home directories" option |
| 09:05.46 | philipp_ | nevyn: im still following dpkg |
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| 09:06.06 | Cyclohexane | the option being where? |
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| 09:07.41 | rozie | Cyclohexane: http://jordanhall.co.uk/ubuntu-linux/home-ubuntu-home-directories-are-world-readable-by-default-3312144/ |
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| 09:08.05 | rozie | the option is avaliable in some package. may be adduser. |
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| 09:09.19 | philipp_ | nevyn: looks good so far. i did know how activate backports anyway... just needed the package |
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| 09:12.35 | Iridos | Cyclohexane, chmod go-rx /home/* if you have sub-directories like public_html that need to be publically accessible, then only chmod go-r /home/* (supposing all your home directories are in /home/*) |
| 09:13.16 | Iridos | are in /home/ |
| 09:14.02 | nsadmin | argh, I'm at the config prompt of phpmyadmin, and it wants the passwd on mysql admin. I never set one... what's the default? |
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| 09:17.13 | nevyn | nsadmin: it's random by default. |
| 09:18.02 | nsadmin | nevyn, what do I do? set a new one? find a reference to the old? in either case, how? |
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| 09:19.10 | nevyn | dpkg-reconfigrure -plow mysql-common should get you going |
| 09:19.44 | nsadmin | thanks :) (still like postgres :P ) |
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| 09:21.16 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i use apache2 |
| 09:21.56 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 09:22.27 | linkedinu | nsadmin, the defualt is the root defualt |
| 09:22.49 | nsadmin | linkedinu, is there any chance I could get you to look into postgres? not necessarily for your present project |
| 09:23.06 | Cyclohexane | Iridos: what does go-r map to in number permissions? |
| 09:24.13 | nsadmin | nevyn, what does that do? |
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| 09:24.50 | Iridos | Cyclohexane, it removes read permission... I supposed everything is rwxrwxrwx |
| 09:24.58 | Iridos | and dunno, I'm too lazy to calculate octal numbers |
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| 09:26.19 | nsadmin | linkedinu, g is group, o is others, ---gggooo |
| 09:26.28 | Cyclohexane | 750 according to the calculator so it's what I used :) |
| 09:26.31 | nevyn | ugo user group owner. |
| 09:26.41 | nevyn | rwx 4 2 1 |
| 09:26.59 | nsadmin | linkedinu, -r does ----gg-oo |
| 09:27.41 | nsadmin | wrong nick maybe |
| 09:27.46 | Iridos | also depends on what you want to do with groups |
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| 09:29.53 | nsadmin | trying to connect to mysql using the client mysql, error thrown: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 09:30.35 | nsadmin | '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' doesn't exist. |
| 09:31.20 | automatical | nsadmin: either mysql isn't running or is using a different socket |
| 09:31.28 | automatical | likely isn't running if it's a fairly default config |
| 09:31.38 | nsadmin | looks uninstalled... |
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| 09:31.58 | automatical | nsadmin: that would explain it then |
| 09:33.09 | nsadmin | oh groovey... it's asking for new pw for mysql root user... |
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| 09:53.33 | nsadmin | ok I think I got it |
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| 09:56.47 | nsadmin | yep, confirmed. I got mysql and phpmyadmin working |
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| 09:59.23 | D[4]ni | (how) can i get the current display refresh rate from a terminal? |
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| 09:59.46 | transistor_ | hey |
| 09:59.53 | transistor_ | hey |
| 10:00.06 | transistor_ | hey |
| 10:00.07 | nkuttler | D[4]ni: xrandr |
| 10:00.13 | transistor_ | thanks |
| 10:00.25 | nkuttler | transistor_: do you have a debian question? |
| 10:00.30 | transistor_ | gentlemen, welcome |
| 10:00.36 | transistor_ | I mean, hello |
| 10:00.47 | D[4]ni | nkuttler: is it just the one with an asterisk behind it? |
| 10:00.48 | nsadmin | transistor_, welcome to debian support |
| 10:00.49 | transistor_ | my box, phil is being a bitch |
| 10:00.58 | nsadmin | bot. |
| 10:01.02 | nsadmin | failed turing. |
| 10:01.08 | transistor_ | i have to set his ass vertically to get his hdd spinnin, he coughs in my face |
| 10:01.18 | Benkinooby | hi, i'm using a laptop and I wonder if it is possible, to turn off the backlight of the monitor while keeping the tft-layer running. user case: with |
| 10:01.30 | transistor_ | yes it is |
| 10:01.34 | transistor_ | it happened to me |
| 10:01.47 | nsadmin | !ops transistor_ chatty bot |
| 10:01.47 | Benkinooby | with stron sunlight the reflection could be used as "background" light |
| 10:01.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin complains about: transistor_ chatty bot |
| 10:01.49 | transistor_ | it was this stupid ass greenish blue color |
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| 10:02.01 | psamathides | hey |
| 10:02.01 | transistor_ | heyh |
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| 10:02.22 | psamathides | transistor, who are u? |
| 10:02.44 | babilen | Lets move one. |
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| 10:03.17 | nsadmin | psamathides, welcome to debian support... help ya with something? |
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| 10:05.01 | psamathides | hey, i want to help :) |
| 10:05.44 | nsadmin | cool :) if you hear something you can help with, go for it |
| 10:06.03 | psamathides | ok, i installed debian 6. |
| 10:06.09 | psamathides | dell vostro 3300 |
| 10:06.24 | nsadmin | linkedinu, got it workin |
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| 10:06.40 | psamathides | but when i unplug adaptor, screens light is off |
| 10:06.53 | psamathides | i push light up key but doesn't work |
| 10:07.11 | psamathides | when i plug adaptor and restart os, light is on |
| 10:07.31 | psamathides | but it isn't enough |
| 10:07.38 | psamathides | i can't see window =] |
| 10:07.42 | nsadmin | which adapter? |
| 10:07.49 | psamathides | dell vostro adapter? |
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| 10:08.06 | psamathides | ac adapter |
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| 10:08.16 | psamathides | sorry my english is really bad =] |
| 10:08.26 | nsadmin | oh ok, maybe the battery is weak? |
| 10:08.52 | psamathides | no, because battery cable is plug and i restart os, it's okey |
| 10:09.02 | psamathides | when i unplug, light is off |
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| 10:11.42 | MrHatter | I have a debian squeeze install with a vnc X desktop environment with gnome. Automount is enabled and mounting the disk each time its plugged in, how do i disable this ? |
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| 10:12.45 | linkedinu | nsadmin, not yet still can not i will remove it and install again |
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| 10:15.15 | psamathides | any idea for my problem? =] |
| 10:15.22 | nsadmin | linkedinu, so, I used only the packages... I didn't compile anything at all, and I got it to work |
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| 10:15.29 | muskatnuss | hello |
| 10:15.56 | muskatnuss | is anyone here working as an sys op in any sort of business ? |
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| 10:16.22 | muskatnuss | just wondering how came to get such an job ... surely the guy you need for this sort of business gotta be a trusted person |
| 10:16.32 | muskatnuss | where to find this trusted person ?!Q |
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| 10:17.10 | babilen | points muskatnuss to #defocus and #debian-offtopic |
| 10:17.20 | jwilliams__ | Setting let g:indexer_lookForProjectDir=1 in .vimrc seems doesn't take effect when pressing ctrl+], how can i get indexer plugin work correctly? |
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| 10:17.56 | nsadmin | linkedinu, after saying that, I'll say that I usually write out sql scripts that create and drop data models, and to define stored procedures that run each transaction |
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| 10:18.42 | nsadmin | err, not usually, always |
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| 10:19.15 | linkedinu | nsadmin, i will re dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
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| 10:20.26 | nsadmin | what I did finally... aptitude purge phpmyadmin mysql-server |
| 10:20.42 | nsadmin | then installed mysql-server and set the root password |
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| 10:21.21 | nsadmin | then installed phpmyadmin, when it ask for password, give the one I made up for mysql-server |
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| 10:43.49 | TMcTrain | hello |
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| 10:44.47 | cybrhuman1 | good day, I seem to have a wrong LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH, I know what it should be, but I am not quite sure where I should set it. |
| 10:46.08 | linkedinu | nsadmin, still can not please see this http://pastebin.com/4wVBCRxy |
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| 10:47.39 | TMcTrain | I have debian 6 squeeze with the cyrus pakets 2.2 ... now I was looking to upgrade to cyrus 2.4.16 before I compile them from source I was looking for a way to install it from the debian repository. but I can't get apt-get to reach other pakets than the cyrus 2.2 |
| 10:47.54 | anigma | you are able to choose to install packages from the net while using a CD? |
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| 10:48.33 | nsadmin | cybrhuman1, how do you mean "a wrong path"? |
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| 10:49.09 | nsadmin | linkedinu, please use something else besides pastebin.com |
| 10:49.26 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: it does not contain the directories containing my 64bits gl-libs |
| 10:49.56 | nsadmin | so it does have a value prior to setting it? |
| 10:50.45 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: yes, LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=/usr///usr/lib32/dri:/usr///usr/lib/dri |
| 10:50.50 | TMcTrain | i found the pakets on ftp.de.debain.org/debian/pool/main/c/cyrus-imapd-2.4 how can I get them installed/upgraded? |
| 10:51.54 | babilen | TMcTrain: Do you need 2.4? |
| 10:51.55 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: I know what I must add to it to make it work, but I would like to fix it for all users of the system. |
| 10:51.55 | nsadmin | cybrhuman1, [ -d /usr/usr ] || echo "no" |
| 10:52.38 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: no output. |
| 10:52.51 | nsadmin | ok, try this: |
| 10:52.57 | TMcTrain | babilen: I need a version higher than 2.2 and as I haven't found a 2.3 the 2.4 has to do |
| 10:53.03 | nsadmin | cybrhuman1, [ -d /usr/usr ] && echo "yes" |
| 10:53.27 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: “yes” |
| 10:53.49 | nsadmin | interesting... you have a usr inside /usr |
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| 10:54.17 | babilen | TMcTrain: You can backport cyrus-imapd-2.4 from sid (/msg dpkg sid) as explained in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- Please note that *you* have to make sure that it is kept up-to-date. Why do you need 2.4? |
| 10:54.33 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: idd, seems strange. might be some part of the site setup |
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| 10:56.50 | TMcTrain | babilen: I'm trying to get SOGo running and it requires cyrus imap server 2.3.X or later |
| 10:57.34 | babilen | TMcTrain: SOgo as in: |
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| 10:58.07 | babilen | TMcTrain: err, sorry. Is it http://www.sogo.nu/ ? |
| 10:58.16 | TMcTrain | babilen: SOGo as in groupware http://www.sogo.nu/english.html |
| 10:58.34 | TMcTrain | babilen: yep |
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| 10:58.48 | nsadmin | cybrhuman1, so apparantly, the path that's there is good... so you should prepend or append the path you want, with a : char |
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| 10:59.16 | babilen | TMcTrain: SOgo is also packaged in Debian, but not in stable. You can probably backport that as well, but you would have to backport (and install) libsope-dev and libsbjson-dev before that. |
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| 10:59.44 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: yes, but where? |
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| 11:00.23 | nsadmin | where which? are you saying that you don't know where the libs you want are? |
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| 11:00.44 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: I know excactly where they are, but where should I configure this? |
| 11:00.49 | nsadmin | I thought you posted your 64b lib path |
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| 11:01.20 | nsadmin | oh, so the question is approximately, "how to make the setting permanent" |
| 11:01.25 | themill | cybrhuman1: btw why are you wanting to set that environment variable? Nothing in debian should require it to be suet |
| 11:01.28 | themill | *set |
| 11:01.34 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: excactly :) |
| 11:01.36 | TMcTrain | babilen: I installed OpenLDAP, Postfix, Cyrus and compiled SOGo from source, servers are running but I can't get SOGo to connect to the imap server, as there are no special settings described I figured the reason might be the older cyrus version |
| 11:01.44 | cybrhuman1 | themill: because it is wrong |
| 11:02.00 | themill | cybrhuman1: well, nothing in debian is setting that environment variable either... |
| 11:02.12 | ictxiangxin | hello |
| 11:02.13 | Benkinooby | hi, does anyone know turn off the backlight of the monitor on a laptop? i'd like to do so in order to use the laptop when there is a lot of sunlight |
| 11:02.22 | ictxiangxin | i have a question |
| 11:02.34 | ictxiangxin | how to remove gnome? |
| 11:02.48 | TMcTrain | babilen: cyrus 2.2 and SOGo are authentication via LDAP, so far its working but no access on the mailboxes |
| 11:02.55 | ictxiangxin | i use "apt-get install gnome" to install it |
| 11:02.55 | nsadmin | try aptitude remove gnome |
| 11:03.09 | cybrhuman1 | themill: still it is set somehow, it might be somehting about the recently removed fglrx drivers. |
| 11:03.17 | babilen | TMcTrain: I would verify that first as maintaining sogo *and* cyrus outside of the packaging system is, well, suboptimal to say the least. It shouldn't be too hard to backport cyrus as all its build-dependencies are satisfied in stable+bdo. Unfortunately I can't really help you with your sogo setup. |
| 11:04.04 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: isn't gnome a virtual package? |
| 11:04.06 | themill | cybrhuman1: how did you install fglrx? |
| 11:04.20 | cybrhuman1 | themill: ati way |
| 11:04.28 | themill | bleh |
| 11:04.35 | cybrhuman1 | themill: yes, I know :( |
| 11:04.50 | ictxiangxin | i removed it, but there r some file in my hdisk |
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| 11:05.14 | nsadmin | cybrhuman1, when we found the (unusual) dir /usr/usr (and the env var pointing in there), I got curious as to how that was set up; do you know? |
| 11:05.17 | ictxiangxin | before i install gnome, hd used 15% |
| 11:05.28 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: unfortunately not |
| 11:05.40 | ictxiangxin | and i removed it, hd used 25% |
| 11:05.49 | nsadmin | ok, so there's another cook involved :) |
| 11:05.55 | blackshirt | what is at command used for? |
| 11:05.58 | babilen | TMcTrain: There is a (very small) #sogo channel that might be able to help as well as a (not so active) mailing list on http://www.sogo.nu/en/support/community.html -- It might be worth trying a newer cyrus version, but this sounds rather like a step in the dark. |
| 11:05.59 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: tried to grep for it where I thought it might be. |
| 11:06.01 | themill | cybrhuman1: do you have a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10fglrx (or similar)? |
| 11:06.24 | cybrhuman1 | nsadmin: oh, not just one, this setup is as old as me and has grown nearly sentient. |
| 11:06.32 | themill | blackshirt: surprisingly, it has a man page. Does that help? |
| 11:06.35 | cybrhuman1 | themill: no |
| 11:06.35 | nsadmin | blackshirt, schedule one-shot jobs (whereas cron is for repeating jobs) |
| 11:06.57 | TMcTrain | babilen: I'm a little confused with the usage of backport cyrus. from 2.2.13-1 to 2.4.16 wouldn't that be a step forward? |
| 11:07.07 | blackshirt | themill : ~$ man at |
| 11:07.11 | blackshirt | No manual entry for at |
| 11:07.26 | nsadmin | ahh. that would be a bug |
| 11:07.28 | themill | cybrhuman1: "rgrep LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH /etc" might turn up something for you then... |
| 11:07.29 | babilen | TMcTrain: Yes, sure. You are porting the package back from sid to squeeze. (unstable to stable) |
| 11:07.35 | blackshirt | nsadmin: thanks, what debian packages name for at command ? |
| 11:07.57 | nsadmin | I thought cron and at were packaged together; I don;'t know the name |
| 11:08.03 | themill | blackshirt: you can take a guess at that too... |
| 11:08.27 | cybrhuman1 | themill: ty! profile.d had some ati entries. |
| 11:08.32 | nsadmin | , names cron |
| 11:08.33 | judd | Search for cron in squeeze/i386: cron 3.0pl1-116 |
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| 11:08.58 | themill | blackshirt: you might want to "/msg dpkg standard task" to see what other standard utilities you're missing from that box. |
| 11:08.59 | TMcTrain | babilen: and short: how do I set up such a backport some special entries in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:09.20 | cybrhuman1 | ictxiangxin: a really harsh solution is "sudo apt-get remove '*gnome*'" if you really need to free the disk space. |
| 11:09.54 | babilen | TMcTrain: Have you read "/msg dpkg ssb" already? |
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| 11:10.11 | blackshirt | themill: my system work out of the box |
| 11:10.17 | TMcTrain | babilen: sry forgot will do it now |
| 11:11.46 | blackshirt | nsadmin: i think cron packages does not contain at command |
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| 11:12.11 | nsadmin | blackshirt, you could be right... take a look at output of dpkg -L cron |
| 11:12.27 | cybrhuman1 | themill, nsadmin: ty, now that I removed ati's script it is working. |
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| 11:12.55 | nsadmin | cybrhuman1, heh :) glad to hear it |
| 11:13.14 | blackshirt | nsadmin: yes, cron not contain at command, just cron and crontab on bin and sbin directory |
| 11:13.31 | nsadmin | ok, try package at |
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| 11:15.25 | blackshirt | nsadmin : at was not installed by debian system by default, was that right ? |
| 11:15.57 | themill | blackshirt: at is part of the standard debian install, that's why I encouraged you to see what other standard tools you may be missing |
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| 11:16.16 | nsadmin | sounds right... the evidence suggests it wasn't installed, but we don't know why (forexample, we don't know what happened "by default") |
| 11:16.28 | TMcTrain | babilen: so the packages are for sid? /debian/pool/main/c/cyrus-imapd-2.4 didn't give me a hint that it isn't squeeze :-) |
| 11:17.05 | blackshirt | themill: yeah, i think so... but not installed by default on my debian system..at was not installed |
| 11:17.10 | nsadmin | blackshirt, if we look between the lines, you could presume this installation started as a base-only install |
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| 11:17.44 | gbqw435 | Get ENDLESS gadgets on www.nycdental.us Come visit! |
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| 11:18.02 | babilen | TMcTrain: Why should it? Poking around on the mirrors is the least thing a user is expected to do. You can see information on cyrus-imapd-2.4 on, say, http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cyrus-imapd-2.4.html |
| 11:18.04 | blackshirt | nsadmin: maybe..i was install it from ground up |
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| 11:18.45 | TMcTrain | babilen: so as there aren't packages for squeeze what would you suggest, doing a backport or compiling cyrus from source? |
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| 11:19.33 | blackshirt | TMcTrain: why you not try testing/sid repository ? |
| 11:19.35 | babilen | TMcTrain: Compiling is part of creating the backport procedure, but you are compiling the Debian package and not the upstream source code. |
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| 11:19.49 | babilen | blackshirt: Please do not advocate testing/sid for production systems. |
| 11:20.03 | blackshirt | babilen: okey |
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| 11:20.53 | gringoire | Hi, I'm trying to install luakit, but get an 'impossible situation', pasting 3 lines: |
| 11:20.53 | gringoire | libglib2.0-0 : Breaks: eog (< 3.2.2-3) but 2.30.2-1 is to be installed |
| 11:20.53 | gringoire | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.53 | gringoire | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.53 | gringoire | Any idea on how to fix this? I'm on debian testing |
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| 11:27.46 | psamathides | help? =] |
| 11:28.03 | psamathides | i can't fix display light problem =[ |
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| 11:29.41 | linkedinu | anyone can assist me with the team viewer to setup phpmyadmin please? |
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| 11:30.07 | linkedinu | anyone use team viewer here? |
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| 11:30.25 | nsadmin | I don't |
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| 11:30.57 | themill | linkedinu: #debian would rather help you do it yourself so that next time, you can just do it yourself. |
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| 11:31.28 | linkedinu | themill, i am for 2 days trying |
| 11:31.40 | nsadmin | themill, he's been here for a long time, trying everything he could. |
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| 11:32.00 | nsadmin | the debian configuration is a bit confusing |
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| 11:32.20 | themill | there's nothing to do |
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| 11:32.31 | cassiel | hi, anybody experiencing problems with nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:32.33 | cassiel | ? |
| 11:32.43 | linkedinu | i can not see the /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin |
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| 11:32.56 | linkedinu | when i install the phpmyadmin |
| 11:32.59 | nsadmin | cassiel, maybe... have you checked the bts? |
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| 11:33.14 | themill | linkedinu: "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" and tell it to configure for apache2 |
| 11:33.24 | cassiel | nsadmin: nope |
| 11:33.32 | linkedinu | themill, i did many times |
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| 11:33.56 | cassiel | nsadmin: debian testing here |
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| 11:34.19 | linkedinu | themill, i even did purge and install again did the process many times and failed |
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| 11:34.52 | themill | linkedinu: does /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf exist? |
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| 11:35.01 | nsadmin | cassiel, you should check bugs.debian.org/nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:35.16 | cassiel | nsadmin: doing now :) |
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| 11:35.42 | nsadmin | for more general info (and sources thereof), /msg dpkg bts |
| 11:35.45 | linkedinu | themill, yes it is exist |
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| 11:36.22 | linkedinu | themill, Alias /phpmyadmin /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 11:37.06 | linkedinu | themill, but the /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf dose not exist |
| 11:37.27 | themill | linkedinu: just make a symlink there |
| 11:37.50 | linkedinu | themill, in where please? |
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| 11:38.00 | themill | ln -s ../../phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf |
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| 11:45.15 | cassiel | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/UidDtPPS any hints? |
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| 11:52.14 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
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| 11:52.51 | nsadmin | cassiel, the error message is confusing to me, having as it does two or three independent subjects in it |
| 11:52.53 | rysiek|pl | I get conflicting info - does tune2fs handle removing sparse_super flag? |
| 11:53.14 | rysiek|pl | and if not, what could I use to remove this option? |
| 11:53.28 | nsadmin | rysiek|pl, dunno, what's the man page say? |
| 11:54.56 | rysiek|pl | it claims it does support it |
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| 11:55.16 | nsadmin | how do you do it, according to that? |
| 11:55.21 | rysiek|pl | but when I do tune2fs -O^sparse_super /dev/sdb1 I get info it's not supported |
| 11:55.27 | cassiel | nsadmin: it's nfs-kernel-server related, the issue is: I can't install |
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| 11:56.39 | rysiek|pl | nsadmin: precisely the way I am trying to do it |
| 11:56.46 | cassiel | nsadmin: apt hangs and when I do press ctrl-z this is the output of ps ax|grep nfs http://pastebin.com/zG7t2e0a |
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| 11:57.54 | nsadmin | rysiek|pl, could it be the binary's version doesn't match the man page's version? |
| 11:58.34 | rysiek|pl | nsadmin: yeah; the manpage turned out *older* than the binary |
| 11:58.36 | rysiek|pl | lolwut |
| 11:59.19 | nsadmin | hmm, that could suggest the man page was inherited from an earlier version and maybe edited |
| 11:59.36 | rysiek|pl | darn |
| 11:59.41 | nsadmin | knit |
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| 12:00.22 | nsadmin | so it's possible the man page came from an earlier version and -not- updated |
| 12:00.33 | rysiek|pl | right |
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| 12:00.53 | nsadmin | either way (edited or not), it's not accurate and this would officially be a filable bug against the package |
| 12:00.53 | rysiek|pl | well, I will probbably just copy the files, mkfs, copy them back |
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| 12:01.03 | rysiek|pl | nsadmin: thanks, I'll prolly file it |
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| 12:05.09 | SpComb | how can I configure apache to run chmod +x .php scripts with #!/usr/bin/php5-cgi as CGI scripts? |
| 12:05.30 | daemonkeeper | Load the CGI module. |
| 12:05.44 | SpComb | php seems to just trip over itself with force-cgi-redirect if I try and do that directly |
| 12:05.47 | daemonkeeper | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html |
| 12:06.12 | nsadmin | rysiek|pl, meanwhile, I would get a copy of the source from upstream (since the debian source cannot be trusted) of the same version as claimed by the binary, and check that man page or its docs |
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| 12:06.16 | SpComb | daemonkeeper: a normal .cgi script with e.g. #!/bin/sh works fine, but #!/usr/bin/php5-cgi complains about force-cgi-redirect in apache's error.log |
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| 12:06.34 | SpComb | daemonkeeper: and #!/usr/bin/php5 doesn't return HTTP headers |
| 12:07.12 | rysiek|pl | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 12:16.23 | mcloy | is there a way to run windows apps in linux. without wine? why wine is not giving good results. how to make windows apps native to linux? why cant we use windows libraries? |
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| 12:16.41 | xand | that's what wine is for |
| 12:16.52 | xand | otherwise get a program that was designed for linux |
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| 12:18.39 | mcloy | xand, why cant all windows apps run on linux without any problem |
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| 12:19.40 | xand | because linux is not windows? |
| 12:19.57 | mcloy | still an os |
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| 12:20.15 | mcloy | is there a restriction from microsoft not to use their libraries? |
| 12:20.25 | xand | windows and linux are COMPLETELY different |
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| 12:20.40 | xand | and yes, it's called copyright :) |
| 12:20.54 | xand | obviously they want you to buy Windows from them |
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| 12:20.59 | babilen | mcloy: The reason is that Windows and linux are quite different operating systems - Developing software that runs on both takes some effort and is hard to do if libraries are used that are specific to one or the other. |
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| 12:21.43 | mcloy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.56 | xand | read my last two lines |
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| 12:22.46 | babilen | mcloy: Do you have a Debian related problem we can actually help you with? Otherwise I would recommend #debian-offtopic, #defocus or (maybe) ##linux for this discussion. |
| 12:22.59 | mcloy | th |
| 12:23.00 | mcloy | x |
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| 12:24.16 | Cyclohexane | if i chmod go-rx /home/* but then chmod o+rx /home/*/public_html will that allow apache access or will it not be able to get into /home/* in the first place? |
| 12:24.16 | Trolltass | ööhöhö |
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| 12:25.29 | xand | Cyclohexane: the latter. |
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| 12:26.08 | xand | Cyclohexane: www-data needs x permission on /home/* |
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| 12:28.12 | Cyclohexane | so change the group to apache-username? |
| 12:28.38 | xand | I wouldn't change the group, I'd use an ACL if possible, otherwise o+x |
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| 12:30.26 | Cyclohexane | how would i use ACL? |
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| 12:32.53 | Cyclohexane | setfacl u:www-data:rx /home/* ?? |
| 12:34.14 | xand | Cyclohexane: something like that, but you don't need "r" and I would advise against giving it |
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| 12:36.22 | Cyclohexane | xand: would this not remove user ownership of /home and give it to www-data? to the same effect as just chown www-data /home/*? |
| 12:36.33 | xand | no |
| 12:36.43 | xand | it gives user www-data access in addition to anything else. |
| 12:37.00 | xand | but without giving all other users access |
| 12:38.00 | Cyclohexane | ah ok thanks |
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| 12:39.04 | nsadmin | why not give r? |
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| 12:40.01 | Cyclohexane | can it execute without being able to read? O_o |
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| 12:40.35 | nsadmin | what if the dir already has o+r |
| 12:41.23 | xand | it doesn't read need access to the user's home directory to access public_html within |
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| 12:41.44 | Cyclohexane | Err http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main acl 2.2.47-2 |
| 12:41.45 | Cyclohexane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.58 | xand | Cyclohexane: because it's lenny, which is no longer supported. |
| 12:43.04 | nkuttler | !tell Cyclohexane about lenny sources.list |
| 12:43.33 | nkuttler | !tell Cyclohexane about lenny->squeeze |
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| 12:44.59 | nsadmin | Cyclohexane, there are two kinds of aptable resources, one made simpler for users who want to share their packages,,, this one would be the other kind, the mirror. a mirror will have a dists/ dir |
| 12:45.27 | nsadmin | if you find dists, you will have found the url to put in your sources.list |
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| 12:46.15 | nsadmin | a lot of mirrors have a debian/ dir... like http://(site)/debian |
| 12:46.24 | nsadmin | you might find a dists in there |
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| 12:49.03 | dokma|2 | what does kernel module button do and do I need it in a dedicated box with network only access? |
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| 12:49.42 | Kroaken | hey all |
| 12:49.43 | Cyclohexane | nsadmin do people submit to an aptable resources repository or something? |
| 12:49.50 | jelly | dokma: manages acpi buttons (think laptops or workstations with power buttons, lids) |
| 12:49.50 | Kroaken | I just installed debian im at my root atm |
| 12:49.58 | Kroaken | how do i jump to x window |
| 12:50.00 | Kroaken | ? |
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| 12:50.04 | Kroaken | startx doesnt work |
| 12:50.19 | nsadmin | Cyclohexane, people can make their own aptable repo to which they can submit |
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| 12:50.28 | dokma | ahhh... I see. so on a dedicated box that is in some data center and probably doesn't even have a power button it's useless... |
| 12:50.33 | dokma | jelly: thanks! |
| 12:50.48 | Cyclohexane | submit to where? |
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| 12:50.57 | Kroaken | Does anyone know how to startX in debian ? |
| 12:51.05 | Kroaken | or simillar |
| 12:51.08 | nkuttler | Kroaken: type startx ? |
| 12:51.12 | nsadmin | Kroaken, what happens when you try? |
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| 12:51.54 | nsadmin | all you've said so far is "startx doesn't work" |
| 12:52.01 | nsadmin | this isn't enough info |
| 12:52.06 | Kroaken | command not found |
| 12:52.08 | Kroaken | startx |
| 12:52.09 | Kroaken | lol |
| 12:52.12 | nkuttler | !tell Kroaken about set up x |
| 12:52.17 | nsadmin | thank you... so you need to install it |
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| 12:53.10 | mcloy | is it possible that someone makes his own distribution but get repository acces from debain repos? |
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| 12:53.51 | nsadmin | mcloy, while anything's possible, I don't know of instances |
| 12:54.32 | Cyclohexane | !tell Cyclohexane commands |
| 12:54.45 | mcloy | nsadmin, debian wont have an objection/ |
| 12:54.48 | mcloy | ? |
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| 12:55.13 | nsadmin | they don't have a choice... the software in main is free software |
| 12:55.31 | mcloy | HM |
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| 12:55.40 | nsadmin | it depends on what you mean by access to debian repos |
| 12:55.52 | mcloy | nsadmin, but they can disallow acces to their repo server ? |
| 12:56.06 | nsadmin | they won't let you write or gain shell access |
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| 12:56.18 | nsadmin | but you can read |
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| 12:56.35 | mcloy | read is enought to download and use their software |
| 12:56.45 | nsadmin | yes it is |
| 12:57.11 | mchristy__ | I'm trying to build a wheezy KVM image, but grub won't install. Are there instructions somewhere on how to work around this? |
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| 12:58.02 | ikonia | mchristy__: explain won't install |
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| 12:58.43 | ikonia | mchristy__: from a grub point of view, it should treat a virtual disk the same as a physical disk |
| 12:58.48 | mchristy__ | ikonia: it asks if I want to install brub2 on the MBR, I say hes, and it pops up a "meter" that doesn't go very far, and then returns to the previous screen |
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| 12:59.42 | mchristy__ | s/hes/yes/ |
| 13:00.43 | Kroaken | How to configure network im not getting the handshake from my wireless router |
| 13:00.49 | ikonia | mchristy__: how many disks do you have assigned to the kvm instance ? |
| 13:00.52 | Kroaken | to downlad gnome |
| 13:01.18 | mchristy__ | ikonia: single virtual disk |
| 13:01.21 | gringoire | ok, this morning the situation was better, but I think that now I broke the package system completely: http://fixee.org/paste/crs7dp0/ |
| 13:01.53 | gringoire | any idea on how to fix this? :P I tried with -f, i'll paste the output in a minute |
| 13:01.56 | mchristy__ | ikonia: I see many people mentioning it, but all of the workarounds look very hack |
| 13:02.01 | mchristy__ | ikonia: http://nidget.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/workaround-the-grub-installation-issue-in-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 13:02.23 | gringoire | http://fixee.org/paste/crs7dp0/#url=v90c2wf that's with -f |
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| 13:02.59 | mchristy__ | ikonia: it says it's fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654695 |
| 13:03.03 | ikonia | mchristy__: one moment |
| 13:03.12 | Kroaken | can someone adivce me a good softare for my 4g dongle to use before i go to gnome i need to download it first lol |
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| 13:06.01 | Kroaken | Does anyone got any clue how to setup my network in debian ? |
| 13:06.26 | gringoire | I guess I'm better off with a clean install at this point. |
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| 13:07.12 | babilen | Kroaken: You can read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration, but I would recommend network-manager (-gnome) for configuration of a 3/4g dongle. |
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| 13:08.12 | babilen | gringoire: You typically don't want to use upgrade/safe-upgrade but dist-upgrade on testing. It also looks as if some other process is still working on the debconf db -- Do you run yet another apt-get/dpkg run somewhere? |
| 13:08.21 | Kroaken | thx |
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| 13:09.47 | mchristy__ | ikonia: maybe I didn't get the installer from the right place. Where should I download the netisnt wheezy image from for amd64 |
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| 13:10.13 | babilen | gringoire: In particular make sure that the mobile-broadband-provider-info is installed, but that should happen automatically when you install network-manager-gnome. |
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| 13:10.40 | ikonia | mchristy__: sorry, I was just on the phone |
| 13:10.43 | gringoire | babilen: I'll try dist-upgrade. And no idea, should be the only apt-get/dpkg running |
| 13:10.44 | ikonia | mchristy__: I didn't mean to ignore you |
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| 13:11.07 | mchristy__ | ikonia: no problem at all, I greatly appreciate you trying to help |
| 13:11.11 | ikonia | mchristy__: the installer should just work fine with virtual disks, I don't think the media is corrupted from your description |
| 13:11.12 | Kroaken | question= How do install .deb files trough terminal ? |
| 13:11.20 | ikonia | mchristy__: if you are concerned, check the md5 sums of the install medai |
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| 13:12.06 | babilen | Kroaken: What are you trying to do? You can install debian packages with "dpkg -i the.deb", but that is most likely not what you want to do. |
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| 13:12.52 | Kroaken | babilen, im trying to install wvdial.deb |
| 13:13.08 | spacedust | hi i need to make a small change in a deb file , i suppose i cant just go and make the change because there are hashes and things like that, so could anyone tell me how to rebuild a new .deb file with the changed information ? |
| 13:13.47 | gringoire | babilen: I have it installed, and also I don't have any processes like that running |
| 13:14.10 | gringoire | is there a way to install all packages from zero, wihout having to reinstall debian? |
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| 13:14.33 | babilen | Kroaken: You can use "dpkg -i" for that, but you have to install dependencies as well. |
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| 13:15.37 | Kroaken | i dont have internet |
| 13:15.43 | babilen | gringoire: You can reinstall all packages, but that will not actually constitute a "fresh installation from zero" - It also won't magically fix inconsistencies in your packaging system. |
| 13:15.44 | Kroaken | in the target computer |
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| 13:15.55 | Kroaken | and i dont have X |
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| 13:15.57 | babilen | !tell Kroaken -about apt-offline |
| 13:16.03 | babilen | !tell Kroaken about apt-walkabout |
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| 13:16.21 | babilen | !tell Kroaken about apt-zip |
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| 13:16.46 | Kroaken | thx |
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| 13:17.04 | spacedust | babilen: any idea how to remake a .deb file ? i unpacked the deb file change things in two files and now id like to repack it |
| 13:17.20 | babilen | Kroaken: I would, however, rather recommend to download a set of DVDs and use that for the initial installation. (Or thereafter if your system will never be connected to the internet) |
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| 13:17.57 | babilen | spacedust: What did you change? Debian packages are actually just ar archives, but that probably won't help you. |
| 13:18.12 | gringoire | babilen: I see. What should I do to fix those inconsistencies, in your opinion? |
| 13:18.22 | cwood | If I'm getting "release file expired, ignoring" from both .us and .ca mirrors, how long does it take to sort itself out? |
| 13:18.22 | babilen | gringoire: What does "apt-get dist-upgrade" give you? |
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| 13:19.04 | spacedust | babilen: ar archives ? hmm babilen i changed two lines in a file that gets installed nothing fancy there ... i just need to repack it so debian will accept it |
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| 13:19.13 | spacedust | babilen: all i need to do is make a deb file :) |
| 13:19.17 | babilen | !tell spacedust -about package recompile |
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| 13:20.12 | babilen | spacedust: The "all I need to make is a deb file" is typically a bit harder, which is also the reason why it takes some time and experience to become a DD/DM |
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| 13:20.36 | spacedust | babilen: its hard to make a deb file ? |
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| 13:20.54 | spacedust | babilen: i unpacked a deb changed something and would like to package it back , tahts it |
| 13:20.56 | gringoire | babilen: http://fixee.org/paste/crs7dp0/#url=5tv4yhk pretty much the same as upgrade only |
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| 13:21.10 | babilen | spacedust: Making changes to already packages software is, however, not that hard. What did you change exactly? There might be a better way to "ship" local configuration changes than to adapt the original Debian package. |
| 13:21.43 | cwood | As to what babilen said, there is a better way. Use a configuration management tool like puppet or chef to install the original package and apply your config modifications. |
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| 13:22.44 | babilen | spacedust: Well, you have to make sure that the checksums are still correct and that they don't clash with the expected ones. The best way to handle that is to make changes to Debian's source package, increase the version (by suffixing it with, say, +local1 (Read "man dch" on the "-l" option)) and rebuilding it as detailed in "/msg dpkg package recompile" |
| 13:23.31 | babilen | spacedust: Yeah, and tools like puppet or chef mentioned by cwood are exactly what I was hinting at earlier. |
| 13:24.00 | Cyclohexane | is there a way you can stop 'find' printing out permission denied when searching? |
| 13:24.06 | spacedust | okay, thank you |
| 13:24.16 | penguin42 | gets surprised by the testing alpha1 netinstall asking him if he wants to configure DECnet |
| 13:24.39 | cwood | Cyclohexane: Possibly redirect stderr, find 2>/dev/null |
| 13:25.15 | dokma | my /etc/default/grub was completely empty so I added GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nousb" |
| 13:25.21 | dokma | but still usb is loaded |
| 13:25.29 | dokma | am I missing something obvious? |
| 13:25.49 | cwood | dokma: did you reboot? |
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| 13:25.53 | dokma | yes |
| 13:26.01 | dokma | do I need to update initrd maybee? |
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| 13:26.32 | Cyclohexane | cheers cwood didn't think of that ;p |
| 13:26.34 | babilen | penguin42: Known bug that has been fixed in sid for a long time. As far as I understand it: This renders testing to be uninstallable at the moment. (Unless you know your way around it) -- Note that this is *not* a bug in d-i, but in testing itself. (cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655740 (and merged ones)) |
| 13:26.39 | bcurtiswx | i'm interested in getting vtk upgraded to 5.10.0 whats the best way to request this? |
| 13:27.12 | jelly | dokma: did you in fact boot with a nousb parameter? /etc/default/grub changes are to be applied with /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 13:27.19 | cwood | dokma: Did you regenerate your grub config? You need to run update-grub. |
| 13:27.32 | penguin42 | babilen: Why uninstallable? It asked me if I wanted to configure it or leave it until later - I told it to leave it |
| 13:28.04 | babilen | penguin42: I thought it breaks networking -- If you can work around it: Even better. |
| 13:28.07 | dokma | arghhh... I know what's up... I'm booting this using an attache grub iso image on a VirutalBox VM |
| 13:28.11 | babilen | penguin42: That being said: The recommended way (if at all!!) to install testing is to install stable (using the stable d-i, but you can try alpha1) first and take it from there. |
| 13:28.16 | dokma | so I would need to update that.... |
| 13:28.37 | babilen | penguin42: You don't actually want decnet to be installed (it is a bug that it is pulled in by default) |
| 13:28.41 | dokma | but it should be fine once I boot it native |
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| 13:28.45 | dokma | thanks a lot guyz! |
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| 13:30.03 | penguin42 | babilen: No, I know I don't want DECnet - I mean I haven't got a VMS install for my Alpha |
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| 13:32.04 | penguin42 | babilen: Installation worked fine though having ignored that configuration |
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| 13:35.42 | babilen | penguin42: Ah, wonderful! |
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| 13:40.22 | technologov | hi ! I'm considering to try the new VIA APC, ARM-based PC and run Debian + X11 + KDE on it. But I heard, that ARM video chips lack standards, such as VGA and VESA, is this true ? |
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| 13:41.01 | technologov | http://apc.io/about/ |
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| 13:41.05 | technologov | this one |
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| 13:42.41 | penguin42 | technologov: It's a bit more complicated than that |
| 13:43.21 | penguin42 | technologov: There are multiple parts to VGA and VESA - some of it was aobut how you programmed the cards, some of it was connectors some of it is stanard scan rates |
| 13:43.25 | technologov | well, assuming there are no Linux / X11 drivers for the APC video chip, on x86 PC I can run in VESA mode |
| 13:43.35 | technologov | mm ok |
| 13:43.37 | penguin42 | technologov: The ARM boards are programmed quite differently but they still can run the same scan rates etc |
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| 13:44.10 | NodeX | Hi guys, anyone familier with postfix on debian |
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| 13:44.29 | technologov | Let's it narrow down: without specific drivers on ARM, can I get X11, like I do with x86 X11/VESA driver ? |
| 13:44.31 | penguin42 | technologov: On a PC, other than boot time, very little actually uses the VESA/VGA programming - most of it is now manufacturer specific |
| 13:44.54 | technologov | VESA is useful if I got a new video chip, without drivers for X11 for it |
| 13:44.59 | penguin42 | technologov: On ARM generically there is no one standard like that - you're right, it needs a chip/board/type specific driver |
| 13:46.02 | technologov | Thanks, so my worries are true. |
| 13:46.40 | Agiofws | hey |
| 13:47.07 | penguin42 | technologov: Now in practice there are 4 or 5 main graphics modules used on ARM chips; I suspect someone will get the APC video drivers going |
| 13:47.36 | penguin42 | (I don't know, I suspect it might already have been done - I don't think the chip on the APC is that unusual) |
| 13:47.39 | Trewas | technologov: that kind of computer would be pretty useless for normal linux desktop, not enough memory and horribly slow processor |
| 13:48.19 | dokma | how do I expand $1 within single quotes in BASH ?? |
| 13:48.32 | technologov | Trewas, I agree about 1st gen model, but there is hope for higher-end model down the road... +$20 bucks or so. |
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| 13:50.43 | penguin42 | technologov: I'm hoping http://www.rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/ will make it into production at some point |
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| 13:51.37 | devmikey | why is it that I deleted a bunch of stuff from a device, umounted and remounted and yet df still reports the same amount of disk free? |
| 13:52.25 | technologov | y, thx |
| 13:52.30 | NodeX | does anyone know how to change the outbound port of postfix from 25 to 465 .. my ISP has started to block port 25 for some unknown reason |
| 13:53.20 | devmikey | NodeX: After you find a workaround, bear in mind that you should not take that kind of cr4p from your ISP |
| 13:53.30 | NodeX | believe me I have tried telling them |
| 13:53.51 | devmikey | Try kicking someone that works there in the nuts |
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| 13:53.53 | NodeX | they allowed me to relay through them, now they stop that too because they want to charge for relaying :( |
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| 13:54.05 | devmikey | who is this ISP? |
| 13:54.08 | NodeX | so I have no choice but to try change the outbound port |
| 13:54.12 | NodeX | redstation internet |
| 13:54.22 | NodeX | they are monkeys! |
| 13:55.55 | devmikey | is this residential inet or webhosting? |
| 13:56.04 | NodeX | dedicated server |
| 13:56.27 | devmikey | um, yeah. time to switch providers |
| 13:57.08 | NodeX | I wish I could but right at this point I cannot |
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| 13:57.13 | devmikey | choices can be limited with residential inet, but there's no excuse for a webhost to act like that |
| 13:57.13 | NodeX | I will be in the next few months |
| 13:57.37 | NodeX | They didn't even warn me |
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| 13:57.52 | NodeX | just shut it off and waited for me to realise my mail wasn't getting sent out |
| 13:58.33 | penguin42 | NodeX: find somewhere you can ssh out to that has decent mail routing - or just use the ISPs mail routers |
| 13:58.49 | NodeX | they want me to PAY for the relay! |
| 13:58.59 | penguin42 | haha bizarre |
| 13:59.06 | NodeX | which I am not prepared to do .. it used to be free |
| 13:59.27 | NodeX | so they cut off my port 25 and said use port 465 for outbound but I cannot get it to work |
| 13:59.43 | penguin42 | NodeX: Changing you're outgoing is only going to work if other stuff accepts the mail in on that port |
| 13:59.58 | NodeX | 465 is smtps so it's better than nothing |
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| 14:01.58 | devmikey | why is it that I deleted a bunch of stuff from a device, umounted and remounted and yet df still reports the same amount of disk free? |
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| 14:08.28 | jhutchin1_lt | devmikey: df is imprecise, and probably you didn't delete enough to change it. You can do an fsck which might make the freed space show up. |
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| 14:09.55 | glitch31415 | nodex: BTW: dyn.com/email/ 19.95/yr for alternate port smtp up to 150 emails per day.. I used them for inbound store-forward years ago (it is dyndns.org) and their customer service was always quick to respond.. but that was years ago, hopefully still good :) |
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| 14:11.41 | jhutchin1_lt | NodeX: you need ssmtp |
| 14:11.42 | Kroaken | Is there any default gui on debian |
| 14:12.14 | dvs | Kroaken: well, gnome is selected by default but that can be easily changed. |
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| 14:12.51 | DammitJim | how do I make this command permanent? nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=0 |
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| 14:13.13 | jhutchin1_lt | NodeX: Standard smtp over 465 won't work, because the remote host will expect an ssl connection. |
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| 14:14.13 | devmikey | Did anyone see my question? My inet died |
| 14:15.17 | bcurtiswx | <jhutchin1_lt> devmikey: df is imprecise, and probably you didn't delete enough to change it. You can do an fsck which might make the freed space show up. |
| 14:15.27 | tawtwa | hello, i have a disk array and i want to use a linux filesystem on it... when i run ext4 on my diskarray i get disk saturation due to journaling: 1223 be/3 root 0.00 B/s 117.90 K/s 0.00 % 99.99 % [jbd2/dm-0-8] |
| 14:15.31 | krisfremen | 150 emails a day? that's nothing.. |
| 14:15.37 | tawtwa | i wish to prevent this from happening.. what filesystem should i use? |
| 14:15.40 | devmikey | I deleted 60GB |
| 14:15.42 | BenNZ | hi , i keep getting this error socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned , when i run netstat -napt|grep 25 , there is nothing running on port25 , anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 14:16.36 | glitch31415 | krisfremen: I was just referencing the cheapest plan and for 20/yr it isn't NOTHING for personal use... and since he didn't explain his intentions it wasn't a worthless answer |
| 14:16.46 | tawtwa | BenNZ: do lsof -i tcp:25 |
| 14:17.09 | BenNZ | tawtwa: nothing |
| 14:17.22 | tawtwa | BenNZ: ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:17.48 | tawtwa | check what its trying to bind to, and check if you have a hosts entry for it |
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| 14:18.10 | BenNZ | tawtwa: ok couldnt ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:18.49 | tawtwa | BenNZ: thats your problem |
| 14:19.08 | tawtwa | you need to bring up lo, or check your hosts file |
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| 14:20.05 | BenNZ | tawtwa: ok what am i looking for in hosts? |
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| 14:20.24 | tawtwa | BenNZ: the definition for your localhost |
| 14:20.29 | tawtwa | if its missing you need to add it |
| 14:20.44 | tawtwa | something like 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 14:20.47 | BenNZ | tawtwa: 127.0.0.1localhost ? |
| 14:20.51 | tawtwa | yeah |
| 14:20.57 | tawtwa | you have that? |
| 14:21.09 | BenNZ | tawtwa: also have 127.0.1.1debian ? do they conflict ? |
| 14:21.56 | tawtwa | no they do not |
| 14:22.08 | tawtwa | ok now then you should be able to type in: ifconfig lo up |
| 14:22.29 | tawtwa | if you are still not able to ping 127.0.0.1 after this, please pastebin the output of ifconfig and /etc/hosts |
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| 14:23.35 | BenNZ | tawtwa: ok i can now , how do i start lo on boot? |
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| 14:24.14 | tawtwa | BenNZ: google debian networking |
| 14:24.26 | tawtwa | BenNZ: are you able to run your service on port 25 now? |
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| 14:24.49 | BenNZ | tawtwa: i have got auto lo & iface lo inet loopback in my /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 14:26.37 | Lartza | Any resources where I could get newer packages from? |
| 14:26.49 | Lartza | Like a large repo with several packages not just a particular program |
| 14:26.57 | babilen | !tell Lartza -about backports |
| 14:27.05 | Lartza | Package is not in backports |
| 14:27.16 | dvs | what package? |
| 14:27.17 | jeka | wine? :)) |
| 14:27.21 | babilen | Lartza: You said "packages" -- What package? |
| 14:27.25 | Lartza | znc |
| 14:27.28 | jeka | :(( |
| 14:27.52 | babilen | !tell Lartza -about znc |
| 14:27.55 | babilen | err |
| 14:27.58 | babilen | !tell Lartza -about ssb |
| 14:28.10 | tawtwa | how can i stresstest the io of a certain disk? |
| 14:28.15 | jeka | !tell jeka -about wine |
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| 14:28.38 | Lartza | babilen, Oh yeah I did that once, thanks! |
| 14:28.41 | babilen | Lartza: Backport it yourself! And please resist the temptation to mix stable with anything but backports (i.e. no third-party repositories or wild stable/testing/unstable experiments) |
| 14:28.59 | babilen | tawtwa: bonnie++ might come in handy |
| 14:29.00 | jeka | !tell jeka -about newer wine |
| 14:29.11 | Lartza | babilen, I don't know how to package deb's :P |
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| 14:29.28 | babilen | Lartza: Would you like to? |
| 14:29.29 | Lartza | babilen, I know how to make PKGBUILD's for Arch so if it's not that much harder... :) |
| 14:29.43 | Lartza | !tell Lartza -about packaging |
| 14:29.56 | Lartza | umm |
| 14:30.03 | Lartza | Probably something else than that? |
| 14:30.11 | jeka | Oo |
| 14:30.17 | jeka | !tell jeka -about about <ssb> |
| 14:30.20 | jeka | !tell jeka -about <ssb> |
| 14:30.23 | jeka | !tell jeka -about ssb |
| 14:30.25 | babilen | Lartza: Err, that documentation looks pretty old and you can just "/msg dpkg nmg" (no need for !tell YOURNICK -about FOO) |
| 14:30.34 | babilen | !tell jeka -about selftell |
| 14:30.37 | Lartza | babilen, Yeah :P |
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| 14:31.38 | Lartza | babilen, For now I will just use sid a second time though but have to look on the packaging docs and maybe start doing that |
| 14:31.47 | babilen | Lartza: All that being said: You don't really know how to package for Debian in order to create a backport. Just follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" and you should be fine -- The package should be pretty easy to backport as all its build-dependencies are satisfied. |
| 14:31.49 | Lartza | Too busy for now in life :/ Next week is better already |
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| 14:32.17 | Lartza | babilen, Yeah already had to get polarssl from sid :) |
| 14:32.22 | babilen | Lartza: No, please *do not* *ever* mix stable with anything but backports. In particular not with testing or unstable (let alone the horror that would be other distributions) |
| 14:32.33 | Lartza | Mhh |
| 14:32.34 | Lartza | What |
| 14:33.01 | Lartza | babilen, I did what ssb is saying with polarssl |
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| 14:33.20 | jeka | who has correctly startup and work with vsphere client? |
| 14:33.24 | babilen | Ah, that is good. I had the impression that you actually installed the packages from sid on squeeze. All is fine in that case. |
| 14:33.30 | Lartza | No ;) |
| 14:33.39 | Lartza | I know that much from Ubuntu that that i bad :P |
| 14:33.53 | babilen | Lartza: It is a valuable lesson to learn, yes :) |
| 14:33.54 | Lartza | And I used Ubuntu so long ago I don't remember much, but that I do :) |
| 14:33.54 | jeka | appdb is empty ( |
| 14:34.27 | babilen | jeka: #vmware might know |
| 14:34.31 | Lartza | babilen, Using Debian makes me see why I love Arch once again, but for VPS Debian is probably a safer bet :P Also no Arch available from my provider |
| 14:34.35 | jeka | :| |
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| 14:36.44 | babilen | Lartza: Just use whatever you feel most comfortable with and whatever is suitable. I very much prefer Debian over Arch (in particular having seen what ARCH calls a "package"), but there is no point in debating that. Let us know if you need help with Debian, but just to satisfy my curiosity: What are the top three things that you like about Arch that are missing in Debian? |
| 14:37.29 | Lartza | babilen, Updated packages, PKGBUILD's(since I don't remember deb packaging, I used to be able to package for Ubuntu years ago) |
| 14:37.32 | Lartza | Third... |
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| 14:38.05 | Lartza | I can't make up three right now :P |
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| 14:38.38 | Lartza | And I've only used Debian on this VPS and Arch as desktop and server so can't really compare desktop stuff |
| 14:39.37 | Lartza | babilen, Well AUR is awesome, maybe that and not PKGBUILD's so still missing a third one :P |
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| 14:40.25 | Lartza | Well the "Arch Way" and KISS, also init/rc management :/ |
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| 14:40.48 | babilen | Lartza: Well, Debian stable releases are prone to aging. (This is the very definition of "stable" (cf. "/msg dpkg stable")) but a lot of people run testing or unstable on their personal boxes. (*not* on production systems!) -- Arch's packaging system is ridiculous in that it is a very thin veneer over the software shipped by upstream. That means that the software is not really that well integrated. I haven't seen that many packages, but at least ... |
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| 14:40.54 | babilen | ... the ones that I maintain in Debian are a joke in Arch (and not endorsed by upstream) -- This certainly makes packaging easier, but there is a reason why Debian has such a detailed policy. |
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| 14:41.54 | babilen | Lartza: init/rc management is certainly an area in which distributions should work closer together and come up with a well supported and maintained system that runs on multiple architectures. (And preferrable other kernels) |
| 14:41.58 | dvs | huh? "not endorsed upstream"? |
| 14:42.02 | Lartza | babilen, Yeah well for some reason many people at first told me Arch was unstable and prone to break often but I've never had problems really |
| 14:42.26 | Lartza | babilen, Well the problem is really that Arch rc.d is easy to set-up I dislike Debian and Gentoo way :) |
| 14:42.30 | babilen | Lartza: Anyway ... I was just curious -- Feel free to join /me in #debian-offtopic for a pint if you want to continue this discussion. |
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| 14:43.46 | babilen | dvs: "[...] and Arch Linux, but both of these packages are unmaintained and have had several bugs reported; it's advised that you avoid them." |
| 14:43.57 | dvs | ah |
| 14:45.20 | BenNZ | having trouble with lo not being bought up on boot , here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/171747/ , not sure what im doing wrong there |
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| 14:47.11 | Lartza | swig2.0 installed I get dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: swig and vice versa... |
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| 14:49.17 | Kroaken | what is the user and passwd nowdays in 4G |
| 14:49.26 | Kroaken | :S |
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| 14:50.42 | Kroaken | Anyone knows |
| 14:50.45 | Kroaken | ? |
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| 14:52.48 | Lartza | babilen, I did build-dep it installed swig and warned that I need to keep swig2.0 not installed |
| 14:52.59 | Lartza | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: swig |
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| 14:53.46 | Lartza | Also totally by the way, how do I create an init script? |
| 14:54.59 | babilen | !tell Lartza -about init script |
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| 14:56.22 | babilen | ,v swig |
| 14:56.23 | judd | Package: swig on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.36-1; squeeze: 1.3.40-3; squeeze-backports: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0.5-1; sid: 2.0.6-1 |
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| 14:57.43 | DammitJim | !tell DammitJim about init script |
| 14:58.06 | babilen | Lartza: You have to install swig (i.e. the build-dependency) from squeeze-backports -- That can be easily done by passing the "-t squeeze-backports" option to aptitude while installing them. You would therefore run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports build-deps znc" |
| 14:58.13 | DammitJim | init scripts aren't used to just run 1 command as root, right? |
| 14:58.14 | babilen | !tell DammitJim -about selftell |
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| 14:58.58 | DammitJim | ty for the tip, babilen |
| 14:59.04 | babilen | np |
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| 14:59.29 | Lartza | babilen, Well it's not doing anything now since all the rependencies are installed I think :/ |
| 14:59.36 | Lartza | *dependencies |
| 14:59.51 | babilen | Lartza: Just run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install swig" in that case. |
| 14:59.57 | Doc_exe|work | so i filled up my drive with a huge log file... i used rm to delete the file... the file was 270Gigs... but my df is still reporting a full hard drive... any thing i can do? |
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| 15:01.16 | biberao2 | hi |
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| 15:01.53 | blackshirt | hi biberao2 |
| 15:02.40 | biberao2 | any of you ever setup openvpn? |
| 15:02.40 | Lartza | And the build fails |
| 15:02.41 | babilen | Doc_exe|work: Running "sync" might help |
| 15:02.58 | babilen | Lartza: Could you show me the error on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 15:03.02 | Doc_exe|work | babilen: I will give that a try |
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| 15:03.28 | Lartza | babilen, And it's the actual make or make install I think so :/ |
| 15:03.36 | Doc_exe|work | babilen: do i just run sync command from cli as root? |
| 15:03.56 | Lartza | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/171750/ |
| 15:04.33 | babilen | Doc_exe|work: Exactly |
| 15:04.38 | SachinDey | Doc_exe|work, try using baobab and scan the disk |
| 15:05.14 | babilen | Lartza: What does "dpkg -l swig|tail -n1" give you? |
| 15:05.41 | Lartza | babilen, ii swig 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1 Generate scripting interfaces to C/C++ code |
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| 15:06.48 | babilen | Lartza: Hmm, did you upgrade swig2.0 as well? |
| 15:07.10 | Lartza | babilen, It's 2.0.5 also |
| 15:07.13 | babilen | Lartza: Or rather: Is swig2.0 installed from squeeze-backports as well? |
| 15:07.25 | Lartza | babilen, ii swig2.0 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1 |
| 15:07.27 | Doc_exe|work | babilen: I ran the command and all it did was give me less available space.... is it possible when I used rm it moved it to a trash? I doubt that... |
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| 15:08.11 | babilen | Doc_exe|work: No, there is no trash that is being used by rm. df if quite frequently off in its measurements, but I would have to dig for a suitable reference. One second please. |
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| 15:08.46 | Sidney__ | Can Debian take advantage of Intels smart response |
| 15:09.08 | Lartza | babilen, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672035 yet there is znc package in sid so somenone has built it succesfully in some point :S |
| 15:09.12 | Doc_exe|work | babilen: thanks |
| 15:09.16 | Lartza | babilen, Maybe with older swig |
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| 15:09.36 | babilen | Doc_exe|work: The file might also still be open -- Could you run "lsof|grep name_of_file" please? |
| 15:09.58 | babilen | Lartza: Let me try to reproduce the issue. One moment please. |
| 15:10.11 | babilen | Lartza: I'll try on sid first and then attempt the backport in a VM. |
| 15:11.08 | Lartza | babilen, Thanks! :) |
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| 15:13.38 | babilen | Lartza: That seems to be a genuine bug :-( -- I guess that the packager was able to compile znc on his/her own machine and uploaded that package. The build must have succeeded for reasons unbeknownst to me, but let me finish reading that bug. |
| 15:14.19 | Sidney__ | Is there any distro that can take advantage of Intel's smart response |
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| 15:15.17 | Some_Person | If I close an ssh session, will it end all programs running in that shell? |
| 15:16.26 | nkuttler | Some_Person: look into screen or tmux to avoid it |
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| 15:16.42 | Some_Person | Argh |
| 15:16.46 | Some_Person | I need to do this quickly |
| 15:17.12 | babilen | Some_Person: "sudo apt-get install tmux ; tmux" and you are done ;) |
| 15:17.13 | tawtwa | yes |
| 15:17.20 | tawtwa | Some_Person: or use screen |
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| 15:17.21 | Some_Person | babilen: Thank you |
| 15:17.41 | nkuttler | Some_Person: what are you really trying to do anyway? |
| 15:17.45 | tawtwa | babilen: tmux is sexy |
| 15:18.04 | babilen | Lartza: It looks like too much work at the moment. I am unsure what really causes this bug (being unfamiliar with znc's packaging), but they seemed to have progressed quite far. |
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| 15:18.11 | Some_Person | babilen: thank you |
| 15:18.17 | babilen | ,v znc |
| 15:18.18 | judd | Package: znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.092-3; sid: 0.206-1; wheezy: 0.206-1 |
| 15:18.28 | Some_Person | nkuttler: downloading a giant file on my vps |
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| 15:19.03 | nkuttler | Some_Person: ok |
| 15:19.07 | notze | hi, i want to execute a sh script by www-data under the permission of another user without using a password, how can I achiev this? |
| 15:19.12 | Doc_exe|work | babilen: you were right... I did a ps aux | grep plex and found something still handing on... killed it and now i got my space back |
| 15:19.15 | tawtwa | Some_Person: i would rsync it |
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| 15:19.31 | Lartza | babilen, Maybe I should ask the VPS provider if they could get Arch for me ;) |
| 15:19.34 | babilen | Doc_exe|work: Wonderful :) |
| 15:19.43 | Some_Person | tawtwa: I'm downloading it on there from a crappy server because the VPS has better internet |
| 15:19.53 | notze | the script does ssh to another server so i will work only with that user (ssh-copy-id ..) |
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| 15:20.15 | Doc_exe|work | babilen: thanks for the help |
| 15:20.16 | babilen | Lartza: That might be a solution - I guess that you have to compile an older version of znc for the time being. (I still don't understand how the initial package was build though) |
| 15:20.31 | Lartza | babilen, Well, how and where do I get an older version? |
| 15:21.41 | Some_Person | So then how do I enter that tmux session again? |
| 15:22.34 | babilen | Lartza: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/znc/0.204-2/ (cf. "/msg dpkg snapshots") |
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| 15:23.38 | babilen | Lartza: I could reproduce the FTBFS for 206 -- I am looking into 204 now. You might also want to consider a different bouncer ;) |
| 15:23.38 | Some_Person | nvm, I'll just rtfm |
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| 15:30.52 | zamn | hey what would be the best way to stop programs from starting up on my server? |
| 15:31.04 | dokma | is it possible to change BIOS settings on a running machine? |
| 15:31.05 | zamn | I'm checking out my /etc/init.d folder and I see a couple of things I want to remove |
| 15:31.15 | dokma | I need to enable VT-x for a remote box |
| 15:31.30 | zamn | I would normally just rm the files but i know that there are the /etc/rc#.d folders that have symlinks to these files |
| 15:31.48 | aber | You could read the README, but better not |
| 15:31.57 | zamn | me? |
| 15:32.09 | stew | zamn: 'update-rc.d foo disable' where foo is the name of the /etc/init.d/foo script |
| 15:32.24 | zamn | the readme directed me to the site which had no information on this |
| 15:32.25 | zamn | :p |
| 15:32.33 | babilen | Lartza: Ok -- I don't get 204 and 202 to compile either. The error must be caused by something else, but I am not entirely sure what. |
| 15:32.52 | Lartza | babilen, Well the bug report seemed to indicate swig? |
| 15:32.52 | stew | zamn: the README should have directed you to the update-rc.d manpage |
| 15:33.15 | zamn | it only referenced that for writing the scripts |
| 15:34.01 | Lartza | babilen, I can't figure out how to get a package from archive |
| 15:34.02 | blackshirt | zamn : you can use #update-rc.d -f program remove, where program is the name of /etc/init.d/program script |
| 15:34.12 | stew | zamn: and the url it referenced says "The program update-rc.d is provided for package maintainers to arrange for the proper creation and removal of /etc/rcn.d symbolic links" |
| 15:34.14 | babilen | Lartza: Yes, but I am not sure what to do about that. You could try backporting older versions of swig, but this started to get messy. Do you actually need the module that can't be build? |
| 15:34.27 | zamn | stew: how does that help the user? |
| 15:34.57 | babilen | Lartza: Do you see the ".dsc file" ? You could do something like "dget http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120107T213702Z/pool/main/z/znc/znc_0.202-2.dsc" to download the source package. That won't help you though. |
| 15:35.06 | stew | zamn: use update-rc.d |
| 15:35.15 | zamn | thats what im doing. thanks for your help stew |
| 15:35.21 | Lartza | babilen, I tried adding it to the sources list |
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| 15:35.31 | Lartza | deb-src of a single date |
| 15:35.32 | zamn | except the program isnt being removed from /etc/init.d :p |
| 15:35.37 | zamn | ill have to dig deeper |
| 15:35.42 | babilen | Lartza: No, don't add it to your sources.list (that is: remove it *now*) |
| 15:36.11 | stew | zamn: update-rc.d disable foo |
| 15:36.31 | babilen | Lartza: Before we pursue this further: Do you need the module that fails to be build? Can't you use the znc version that is in stable? Would you mind using a different bouncer? |
| 15:36.35 | zamn | are you sure it isnt update-rc.d foo disable ? |
| 15:36.47 | stew | i'm not, check the manpage |
| 15:37.08 | zamn | but in theory it shouldnt appear in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 15:37.16 | zamn | i did remove and disable on this program |
| 15:37.16 | stew | ti should |
| 15:37.26 | stew | it shoudln't touch the script in /etc/init.d |
| 15:37.31 | zamn | oh okay |
| 15:37.38 | Lartza | babilen, Isn't it modpython that fails as in the whole Python module support, checking if I need python modules. Stable is 0.092 from 2010 can't use that. I am familiar with ZNC and it's still in development, which is what I can't say for most bouncers :S |
| 15:37.39 | zamn | but it will remove the symlink in /etc/rc#.d ? |
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| 15:38.14 | Lartza | babilen, Okay all default modules are C++ so I don't need modpython support |
| 15:38.22 | aber | zamn, rcconf :) |
| 15:38.36 | zamn | sudo: rcconf: command not found |
| 15:38.37 | zamn | :x |
| 15:39.15 | stew | zamn: it should change the links in rc#.d from S links to K links |
| 15:39.22 | zamn | ah okay |
| 15:39.27 | zamn | so nothing ever deletes :p |
| 15:39.44 | babilen | Lartza: Ok -- One second please. |
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| 15:40.56 | blackshirt | zamn: update-rc.d was recommended way |
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| 15:41.30 | zamn | blackshirt: i know. i'm just curious as to why it doesnt delete anything rather rename things |
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| 15:42.48 | biberao2 | bye |
| 15:44.14 | themill | zamn: how do you tell the difference between a symlink that hasn't been created yet (and so should be created by update-rc.d) and one that has been deleted by the admin? |
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| 15:44.52 | Cyclohexane | how come everytime i do an upgrade it keeps the old version as a dual boot? |
| 15:45.07 | stew | Cyclohexane: in case the upgrade doesn't work |
| 15:45.33 | Cyclohexane | clever ;) |
| 15:46.07 | Cyclohexane | is it an entire image of the old system? e.g. i have x2 the files? |
| 15:46.24 | xand | no, just the kernel/initrd |
| 15:46.25 | babilen | Lartza: Ok, the build error does not occur when you disable Python, but the packaging needs further changes (znc-python complains about missing files now) |
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| 15:47.30 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 15:47.58 | gypsymauro | there is a way to create an usb installer with the xfce wheezy cd? |
| 15:48.10 | pjc_ | gypsymauro: hi hi |
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| 15:49.09 | aaa801 | IS there a way to stop debian from shutting off power to the screen?, i have one of the flaky intel gpu's and whenever it goes into suspend or if i leave it for a hour with the lid closed it doesnt seem to wake up properly, Black screen etc |
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| 15:50.41 | SpComb | aaa801: suspending (putting the entire machine into standy) or powering off only the display? |
| 15:50.51 | xand | aaa801: yes, depends on what software you're using... |
| 15:51.01 | Lartza | Why does shutdown -r -t 120 now reboot immediately? :S |
| 15:51.01 | aaa801 | both, ive already told it to not go into suspend mode in power settings |
| 15:51.17 | aaa801 | xand: what are you refering to? |
| 15:51.34 | hke | aaa801: you need to disable the x-servers dpms |
| 15:51.39 | hke | google it |
| 15:51.59 | aaa801 | display standby ye? |
| 15:52.08 | aaa801 | aha thanks il try that |
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| 15:56.10 | aaa801 | i did that and now x isnt starting :/ |
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| 15:57.32 | babilen | Lartza: Ok -- The package build successfully. Please run "apt-get source znc" in a temporary directory to obtain the source package. Replace znc-0.206/debian/rules with http://pastie.org/3989552 and znc-0.206/debian/control with http://pastie.org/3989554. You need to run "rm znc-0.206/debian/znc-python*" before you can build the package with "cd znc-0.206/ ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" -- Sorry for the hassle. |
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| 15:58.00 | aaa801 | Is there a way to dump the configuration that x is using when its autoconfigured? |
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| 15:59.59 | hke | X -configure |
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| 16:00.17 | aaa801 | just says server already active |
| 16:02.02 | hke | kill it |
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| 16:02.55 | Lartza | babilen, The hassle wasn't your fault no was it? ;) You fixed it(probably, compiling just now) Thanks :D |
| 16:03.03 | Lartza | *now was |
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| 16:08.44 | Lartza | babilen, Error, sec |
| 16:08.51 | babilen | Lartza: *sigh* |
| 16:08.56 | Lartza | ;) |
| 16:09.44 | Lartza | babilen, Actually after compiling I think, http://paste.debian.net/171771/ |
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| 16:11.09 | Lartza | babilen, Ahh yes it's in rules file hmm |
| 16:11.53 | babilen | Lartza: That is after compiling, yes. Lets take a look -- It might be that you need a newer dh_python version (or we just disable dh_python) |
| 16:12.41 | aaa801 | ok ive got the xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but the x server doesnt seem to be using it |
| 16:12.50 | aaa801 | is it a capital X ? |
| 16:12.59 | Lartza | babilen, Well do I need dh_python? |
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| 16:13.14 | babilen | Lartza: Could you remove the dh_python3 call on line 53-57 (i.e. debian/rules == http://paste.debian.net/171773/) |
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| 16:13.35 | babilen | Lartza: No you don't need that (as we do not build the znc-python package) |
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| 16:23.55 | zamn | aaa801: it should be a capital X |
| 16:24.23 | aaa801 | zamn, i just checked the log its a lowercase, the path is correct, anyone see anythign wrong with my config chunk? http://pastie.org/3989690 |
| 16:24.34 | zamn | ah yeah leave it lowercase then |
| 16:25.00 | zamn | your xorg.conf is in ~ right |
| 16:25.11 | aaa801 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:26.10 | Lartza | babilen, znc has not init script? :/ |
| 16:26.19 | babilen | Lartza: No idea |
| 16:26.30 | Lartza | Seems like so, just weird |
| 16:27.43 | babilen | Lartza: Please read /usr/share/doc/znc/README.Debian -- I guess the idea is to run it per-user so that multiple users can use it (but I really have no experience with znc) -- Did the compilation work out? |
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| 16:27.57 | Lartza | babilen, It did, thank you |
| 16:28.08 | babilen | yay \o/ |
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| 16:28.54 | Lartza | babilen, I wonder how server owners handle multiple users with ZNC |
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| 16:44.18 | biberao2 | hi |
| 16:44.26 | nnatomltop | Hi, I am trying to set up a VPN I am running debian Squeeze --- However I seem to be getting this error :: Tue May 29 12:47:36 2012 us=940324 failed to find GID for group nobody |
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| 16:44.55 | nnatomltop | Any suggestions on how to fix the issue |
| 16:44.59 | biberao2 | anyone ever had a problem with this on openvpn --script-security 2 |
| 16:44.59 | biberao2 | ? |
| 16:45.12 | nvz | nnatomltop: grep nobody /etc/group |
| 16:45.16 | stew | nnatomltop: debian doesn't have a nobody group, but instead a nogroup group |
| 16:45.25 | nnatomltop | dosn't exist |
| 16:45.30 | nvz | nnatomltop: though I dont see what that has to do with VPN |
| 16:45.48 | biberao2 | nvz it has |
| 16:45.59 | stew | nnatomltop: figure out what is causing whatever software you are using to look for a nobody group and have it look for a nogroup group instead |
| 16:46.01 | biberao2 | openvpn config advise us to give nobody and nogroup |
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| 16:46.22 | biberao2 | nnatomltop you dont get this error --script-security 2 ? |
| 16:47.42 | nnatomltop | I can't seem to find tap0 ... my ifconfig seems not to have it even though module tun is loaded |
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| 16:51.48 | nn_ | Tue May 29 12:55:07 2012 us=171319 /sbin/ifconfig tap0 10.2.10.6 netmask 10.2.10.5 mtu 1500 broadcast 255.255.255.254 |
| 16:51.48 | nn_ | SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument |
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| 16:54.48 | Sevet | nn_: that's not a valid netmask |
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| 16:55.41 | luke-jr | How do I fix errors on http://security-tracker.debian.org/ pages? |
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| 16:55.45 | passstab | hi |
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| 16:56.16 | passstab | i'm getting this when i try to apt-get update |
| 16:56.32 | stew | luke-jr: did you see: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/data/report |
| 16:56.38 | passstab | http://paste.debian.net/171787/ |
| 16:57.03 | luke-jr | ugh, another IRC network? -.- |
| 16:57.31 | devmikey | i like those |
| 16:58.24 | tremon | passstab: I've seen it across all my testing/sid machines over the past few weeks. Must have been a bad build, because I'm not seeing it anymore. Just re-run the update, eventually it will complete |
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| 16:58.57 | tremon | alternatively, download apt manually |
| 16:59.07 | passstab | ok |
| 16:59.09 | passstab | thanks |
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| 16:59.18 | stew | passstab: what version of apt? |
| 16:59.51 | passstab | 1.5 |
| 16:59.55 | stew | ew, /me looks at http://liveusb.info/ and considers lookikng the other way |
| 16:59.59 | passstab | 386 |
| 17:00.15 | nn_ | Sevet, tap0 dosn't exist |
| 17:00.16 | nn_ | How do I add tun to the modprobe list at boot up |
| 17:00.21 | stew | passstab: did you get that fromthe future somehow? |
| 17:00.34 | stew | passstab: err, were you not talking to me? |
| 17:00.39 | tremon | stew: apt-get -v ;) |
| 17:00.47 | passstab | apt 1.5 for i386 compiled on May 11 2012 17:36:54 |
| 17:00.57 | tremon | passstab: apt-cache policy apt is truer |
| 17:00.59 | stew | judd: versions apt |
| 17:01.00 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.9.3; sid: 0.9.5.1 |
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| 17:01.09 | stew | passstab: what version of the apt package is installed? |
| 17:01.13 | Sevet | nn_: do you mean tun0, and do you have a 'dev tun0' entry in your openvpn config file? i don't have to modprobe anything |
| 17:01.18 | txomon|home | I don't understand what decnet does in the debian installer... |
| 17:01.32 | txomon|home | what the hell is that? |
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| 17:01.47 | txomon|home | I have been searching for info, but didn't understand |
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| 17:02.17 | stew | txomon|home: its useful for connecting REALLY old dec machines |
| 17:02.29 | passstab | how do i check? |
| 17:02.53 | stew | txomon|home: if you don't know what it is, its certainly not useful for you |
| 17:03.09 | txomon|home | stew, dec ? |
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| 17:03.27 | stew | txomon|home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Equipment_Corporation |
| 17:04.11 | tremon | passstab: re-read my previous comment |
| 17:04.20 | txomon|home | stew, ok, so that is just for those machines... ty! |
| 17:04.21 | Cyclohexane | is it possible to pipe /dev/input/event4 to nm? or easier to just use hexdump? |
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| 17:04.44 | stew | passstab: if you don't even know how to check the version of an installed package, you should probably not be messing with debian unstable |
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| 17:05.13 | passstab | i don't use it |
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| 17:05.28 | stew | passstab: are you using pinning? |
| 17:05.34 | passstab | yes |
| 17:05.41 | passstab | is all testing |
| 17:05.50 | stew | what is the point of having unstable in sources.list if you aren't using it? |
| 17:06.30 | passstab | 0.9.3 |
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| 17:09.25 | nnatomltop | I am really stuck ... I am trying to build a simple VPN so I can access my home network from a remote location however the net device tap0 refuses to show up .. even though the module tun has been loaded .. |
| 17:09.28 | nnatomltop | Please help |
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| 17:09.44 | nnatomltop | Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-41squeeze2) |
| 17:10.03 | jiphex | nnatomltop, tap and tun are two different things |
| 17:10.11 | jiphex | you'll be using one or the other |
| 17:10.27 | jiphex | or maybe both, I guess |
| 17:10.45 | nnatomltop | jiphex, well then how do I load tap .. because the onily module is tun |
| 17:11.11 | jiphex | openvpn should do it for you |
| 17:11.58 | aaa801 | Anyone know what couldcause this? [ 2188.712076] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung |
| 17:11.59 | aaa801 | [ 2188.712088] [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in /debug/dri/0/i915_error_state |
| 17:11.59 | aaa801 | [ 2191.200047] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung |
| 17:11.59 | aaa801 | [ 2191.201739] [drm:i915_reset] *ERROR* GPU hanging too fast, declaring wedged! |
| 17:11.59 | aaa801 | [ 2191.201748] [drm:i915_reset] *ERROR* Failed to reset chip. |
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| 17:12.04 | stew | nnatomltop: /var/log/syslog is the place to look to see what is happening with the openvpn connection |
| 17:12.09 | tremon | nnatomltop: man tunctl? |
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| 17:12.19 | aaa801 | opps |
| 17:12.23 | elik | :) |
| 17:12.33 | aaa801 | http://pastie.org/3989948 |
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| 17:13.00 | passstab | stew i wanted IW unstable but i had trouble installing it ,i got rid of that line now |
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| 17:14.48 | nnatomltop | stew, tremon ... -> http://pastebin.com/enuadNgC |
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| 17:15.49 | tremon | aaa801: I think #dri would be a better place for i915 hangs... I doubt that many people here can help you |
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| 17:16.40 | tremon | nnatomltop: you have already been told that your netmask is wrong |
| 17:16.59 | nnatomltop | tremon, how do I fix it |
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| 17:17.12 | stew | nnatomltop: are you specifying ifconfig in the client side conf? if so, why? |
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| 17:19.34 | stew | its unfortunate that in openvpn configs, they confusingly made the second parameter to ifconfig mean something completely different in tun than in tap |
| 17:19.42 | nnatomltop | stew I am not specifying anything .. This is confusing |
| 17:19.56 | nnatomltop | I have been trying to fallow -> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/489 |
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| 17:20.19 | stew | i wonder where "ifconfig 10.2.10.6 10.2.10.5" comes from then |
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| 17:21.32 | tremon | nnatomltop: posting /etc/openvpn/server.conf would help then |
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| 17:21.53 | tremon | ... or /etc/openvpn/client.conf |
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| 17:23.44 | Sevet | nnatomltop: your ifconfig is for a tun device, but the error suggests you're trying to use a tap device |
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| 17:24.39 | nnatomltop | Server is Gentoo -> config .. http://pastebin.com/sFtnDr3c ..... |
| 17:25.03 | nnatomltop | Sevet, I have no idea what I am trying to do .. I am completely new to this ... |
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| 17:25.30 | nnatomltop | Sevet, I am just trying to fallow how to's and hope that hey work |
| 17:25.30 | stew | nnatomltop: this config says tun not tap |
| 17:25.39 | Sevet | ok. you need to device if you want tun or tap |
| 17:25.39 | stew | nnatomltop: does the client side say tun or tap? |
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| 17:26.01 | nnatomltop | YES that fixed it |
| 17:26.04 | nnatomltop | thanks so much |
| 17:26.04 | Sevet | nnatomltop: dev on client must match dev on server |
| 17:26.07 | Sevet | :) |
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| 17:26.20 | Sevet | tap = l2 bridge, tun = l3 routed ip |
| 17:27.01 | Sevet | http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#vpntype |
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| 17:28.15 | biberao2 | Sevet the local variable on the conf must be different from my own local address? |
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| 17:29.52 | Sevet | biberao2: ? |
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| 17:30.46 | biberao2 | Sevet i cant make it work |
| 17:31.04 | Sevet | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:33.01 | tharkun | How do i list the files in a package? |
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| 17:33.32 | dvs | tharkun: dpkg -L <package_name> |
| 17:33.33 | nnatomltop | I have another question ... Alright so I have VPN working .. however I want to mount nfs threw the tunnel .. Although I can't figure out wich Ip I am hitting the local nfs from |
| 17:34.00 | g3orge | is the core utils code available in my system or do I have to download it? |
| 17:34.04 | tharkun | dvs: thanks i got mixed i though it was apt-get :( |
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| 17:34.44 | biberao2 | Sevet i want to make a box running openvpn to give me access to others on the lan |
| 17:34.50 | nnatomltop | where is ssh logged ? |
| 17:35.13 | tharkun | /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:43.45 | PChatUser | hi! does anyone know whether it is possible to run android apps (install .apk files) within or on debian in any kind of way? thanks in advance! |
| 17:44.17 | stew | PChatUser: you can run android in an emulator or in a vm |
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| 17:44.41 | stew | PChatUser: but you can't run them directly in debian in any way that I'm aware of |
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| 17:45.36 | PChatUser | stew hmm, however not natively by installing an api / sdk / lib / XonX ? |
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| 17:46.05 | penguin42 | PChatUser: No |
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| 17:47.03 | PChatUser | i actually could just run some remotely or in a vm, but was wondering about the most direct way out there.. ok my q is answered :) |
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| 17:48.14 | stew | on x86 hardware that supports paravirt, android-x86 can run very fast using kvm |
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| 17:49.58 | PChatUser | stew yeah not really an considerable option for a thin-client netbook |
| 17:50.03 | bartus | hello, when can i find manpages for basic bash tool like if,for etc. |
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| 17:50.39 | Iridos | man bash |
| 17:50.46 | stew | bartus: there run "help if" in bash |
| 17:50.48 | Iridos | or just do help <command> from the shell |
| 17:51.06 | PChatUser | though learned again a new term - paravirt :P |
| 17:51.23 | Iridos | should know how to search through manpages to look at man bash, though... it's kinda extensive |
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| 17:52.53 | alfplayer | I search for titles within man bash using /^TITLE |
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| 17:55.47 | stew | (itym sections not titles) |
| 17:56.17 | bartus | ok, now i see... but help <command> give me only vary basic description, for example in help if there is no explanatory for any "if [ *** ]" statement :/ |
| 17:56.45 | stew | bartus: do you mean the description of what can be in the *** part there? |
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| 17:58.02 | bartus | stew, i mean in 'help' description of if there is no explanatory for in example "if [ -z $variable]" statement. |
| 17:58.25 | stew | bartus: do you mean the -z part? |
| 17:58.27 | bartus | stew, yes |
| 17:58.30 | stew | bartus: then you need to lookup the help for the [ command "help [" which tells you it is an alias for test so "help test" |
| 17:58.52 | stew | [ is just an ordinary command, it is not part of the if itself |
| 17:59.16 | bartus | stew, thank now its seams obvious ;] |
| 17:59.29 | stew | (in other shells without a [ built-in command, it actually calls /usr/bin/[ which is documented in the [ manpage "man [") |
| 18:01.09 | dvs | thought it was a mistake too |
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| 18:03.05 | alfplayer | stew: yes, I really meant section headings |
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| 18:24.46 | unkmar | so, I have several users on a desktop system. I wish to use the handy, Click your username, type your password. And, I want some users to not show, similar to how the daemons aren't visible. |
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| 18:26.58 | stew | unkmar: are the other users that you don't want to show actual users? or are the other system or daemon users? |
| 18:27.14 | unkmar | stew: samba. |
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| 18:27.29 | stew | unkmar: what is the uid? is it actaully > 1000? |
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| 18:28.38 | unkmar | stew: no. I was creating users for use with samba for file sharing. Not the actual samba user. So, yeah they by default are > 1000. Is that the trigger? |
| 18:28.58 | stew | yes, that should be the trigger, see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 18:29.08 | stew | unkmar: create these users with adduser --system |
| 18:29.31 | unkmar | stew: Thank you |
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| 18:44.17 | corpus | hello to all |
| 18:44.30 | corpus | does anyone got the resberry pi |
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| 18:44.32 | corpus | ? |
| 18:44.48 | corpus | any comments ? does it worth it ? |
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| 18:47.08 | Talon_ | I want to download debian testing, I've got slow internet so I plan on getting an ISO image of it.. Which should I chose? I'd like to get as much as possible without having to connect to the internet, so would it be wiser to get the larger dvd iso or the smaller cd iso? |
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| 18:48.14 | nkuttler | Talon_: what kind of desktop do you want? |
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| 18:48.52 | Talon_ | I guess i'll stick with gnome, I'm not a huge fan of gnome-shell but I hear fallback mode is classic gnome with some slight changes |
| 18:49.30 | penguin42 | Talon_: Have you checked to see if there is a Linux user group in your area that may have an image? |
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| 18:51.01 | Talon_ | no, I don't know any user groups... I'm okay with downloading, I just know it'll take me all day lol.. im fine with that, I'd just like to have most of what I need without having to net-install... is there any readme files or descriptions of what packages are included with the cd images? |
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| 18:53.12 | happyhessian | could someone point me in the right direction for a problem with hdmi audio? pulse shows the option and gives the appearance of working in pavucontrol but no sound comes out |
| 18:53.17 | corpus | Talon_, download a stable netinst and upgrade to testing |
| 18:53.37 | happyhessian | it's on an off-mobo graphics card |
| 18:53.45 | corpus | after installation ofcourse |
| 18:54.15 | Talon_ | Im on 1.5 DSL, netinstall is kinda not a good option |
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| 18:57.28 | penguin42 | Talon_: Are you going to do *one* install or multiple? If you're doing one install I'd get the business card cd and then install everything on top from the net; if you plan to do multiple installs then I agree getting a CD with everything on would be better |
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| 19:05.05 | abrotman | penguin42: he should really use the netinst .. at least that way he can get a base system even if the network fails |
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| 19:08.00 | penguin42 | abrotman: But if he breaks it and does it again then he's in for another long download unless he sets up a tame squid (which would be a good idea) |
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| 19:08.53 | stew | i don't believe it is ever advantageous to use the business card cd unless you happen to only have a 50mb blank cd |
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| 19:17.37 | abrotman | penguin42: the same issue would exist with teh buesiness card |
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| 19:20.54 | penguin42 | abrotman: Which is why I said if he was doing one install to use the business card, else to get the full one (I tend to prefer business card over the bare netinstall because it's not quite as bare bones but I was really saying don't get the big CD if you're just planning on one install) |
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| 19:23.12 | stew | penguin42: for doing just one install, the business card installer provides no advantage over the netinst |
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| 19:23.54 | stew | penguin42: "its not quite as bare-bones"? I think you must have a misunderstanding |
| 19:24.12 | penguin42 | stew: Feel free to correct my understanding! |
| 19:24.28 | stew | its more bare-bones in the sense that after booting the business card, you have to download everything that is on the netinst that isn't on the businesscard |
| 19:24.35 | stew | everytime |
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| 19:25.07 | stew | so there is no reason to not just download the entire netinst once, unless, quite strangely, you only have a 50 mb blank cd |
| 19:25.16 | jelly-hme | it's so bare, the bones are ashamed |
| 19:25.28 | daemonkeeper | Having that said, it's about 100M worth of essential packages. |
| 19:25.36 | daemonkeeper | Not so much of a deal. |
| 19:25.54 | penguin42 | stew: You're right - I got the two flipped in my mind! |
| 19:26.40 | stew | we really should just ditch the business card images and no longer offer them |
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| 19:27.04 | daemonkeeper | misses business card firmware images. badly. |
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| 19:29.57 | nkuttler | i've used the business card installer recently because i had to... |
| 19:30.21 | stew | nkuttler: why couldn't you use a netinst? |
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| 19:31.11 | nkuttler | stew: because all i had was an ancient usb stick |
| 19:31.16 | zmui | just uses a usb stick |
| 19:31.18 | nkuttler | something like 100M |
| 19:31.28 | stew | that is valid |
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| 19:32.27 | stew | though only barely since a <something> GB usb stick costs <small amount of> <currency> |
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| 19:33.25 | nkuttler | stew: you assume i had time |
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| 19:34.48 | peterrooney | stew: not everyone lives within an hour's drive of a Circuit City store. |
| 19:35.12 | stew | that's good |
| 19:36.25 | daemonkeeper | guesses a USB pendrive is easier to get than broadband Internet access. Typically cheaper as well. |
| 19:37.15 | stew | the amount of money spent on bandwidth caused by people wrongly using the business card cd is probably less than the cost of sending usb sticks to everyone that might need an upgrade. not that this is a feasible solution |
| 19:37.45 | penguin42 | and the usb sticks are probably easier for pidgeons to carry |
| 19:38.14 | daemonkeeper | RFC 1149! |
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| 19:38.19 | nkuttler | stew: wrongly using? |
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| 19:38.52 | wiiguy | how can do apt-get install with conferming it each time ? |
| 19:38.57 | wiiguy | confirming* |
| 19:39.07 | nkuttler | wiiguy: confirm each package? |
| 19:39.24 | stew | nkuttler: wrongly in the sense that when they used it, they ended up downloading more than they would have downloaded if they had used a netinst |
| 19:39.25 | penguin42 | daemonkeeper: I suspect you hit window size problems with the current capacity of USB sticks |
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| 19:39.43 | wiiguy | whenever install a package i need to type "y" |
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| 19:39.52 | wiiguy | how can i do it so i dont have to do that |
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| 19:40.04 | penguin42 | wiiguy: pass the -y option! |
| 19:40.16 | daemonkeeper | penguin42: No problem. TCP scales very good, between almost any window size. |
| 19:40.27 | nkuttler | wiiguy: and probably not a very good idea |
| 19:40.50 | penguin42 | daemonkeeper: Even say 8GB? |
| 19:40.57 | daemonkeeper | penguin42: Integer overflow. |
| 19:41.08 | wiiguy | nkuttler i only doing -y because i know exactly wich page to install |
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| 19:41.48 | stew | whereas you have problems with rfc1149 and small windows when the bird no longer fits through the window |
| 19:42.53 | jelly-hme | extend the procotol with a segmentation feature, then |
| 19:43.07 | daemonkeeper | penguin42: The window size (and MSS) is a 16 bit header. 8G can be a problem :> |
| 19:43.17 | daemonkeeper | header field |
| 19:43.19 | penguin42 | nod |
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| 19:46.41 | abrotman | penguin42: netinst is 180MB, biscard is 50MB .. if his network fails, he's f'ed |
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| 19:47.27 | sandieg | hello all |
| 19:47.27 | n-iCe | pokes abrotman |
| 19:47.52 | abrotman | squeals |
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| 19:48.00 | sandieg | Does anyone got a clue how to dial with a 3g dongle under debian ? |
| 19:48.11 | sandieg | terminal mode |
| 19:48.19 | DotHack | sandieg, what kind of 3g dongle? |
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| 19:48.28 | farkerhaiku | I'm attempting to write my first debian package and I've got several dependencies defined in my debian/control file that require 'apt-get update' to fulfill. I've tried using the preinst script to force apt-get update before hand, however, that is returning a 100 error because the dpkg lock file is in use. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to solve this problem? |
| 19:48.47 | sandieg | Huwaii 392u-12 |
| 19:48.53 | sandieg | DotHack: Huwaii 392u-12 |
| 19:49.08 | DotHack | sandieg, you should loog as the package usb-modeswitch |
| 19:49.23 | wiiguy | whenever i create a new user on my system with useradd name > it does not create a folder for it in the home folder |
| 19:49.25 | dondelelcaro | farkerhaiku: you don't use the preinst to do that. People should apt-get update; before trying to install the package |
| 19:49.26 | sandieg | i will download it right know thx so much DotHack |
| 19:49.38 | dvs | wiiguy: use adduser |
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| 19:50.04 | wiiguy | k ty :) |
| 19:50.06 | DotHack | sandieg, it will try to switch you dongle from being a mass storage device to a modem device |
| 19:50.15 | sandieg | sure |
| 19:50.44 | dondelelcaro | farkerhaiku: specifically, the Depends: in debian/control should specify the appropriate version so that apt-get et al. will know that in order to install your package, newer versions of other packages are required |
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| 19:50.59 | sandieg | DotHack: im download that , i will figure out a way of making it work :P |
| 19:51.13 | sandieg | i've* |
| 19:51.15 | babilen | !tell sandieg -about wvdial |
| 19:51.44 | sandieg | ohh tks m8 :))) |
| 19:51.58 | sandieg | im trying to switch my dongle with it |
| 19:51.59 | m8 | sandieg, :-))) |
| 19:52.00 | babilen | sandieg: See also http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G (I only ever used 3G modems with network-manager (and the profiles in mobile-broadband-provider-info though |
| 19:52.19 | babilen | )) |
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| 19:55.02 | PerfDave2 | Evening all. Where's a good place to troubleshoot network-manager connections with a 3G USB stick? |
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| 19:57.24 | PerfDave | Cor, quieter here than I remember :) |
| 19:58.16 | farkerhaiku | dondelelcard: We are trying for an end-user experience that doesn't require the user to open a console, is that possible? |
| 19:58.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: what have oyu startdd with so far ? |
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| 20:00.15 | PerfDave | abrotman: I've got a Debian stable system. I had to install an updated usb-modeswitch-data from squeeze-backports to get it to recognise the stick. It shows up in nm-applet as a mobile broadband device and I've configured it through that. But when I select it, http://paste.debian.net/171816/ happens |
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| 20:02.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: Just updated with extra bit from /var/log/messages I just spotted, which suggests that pppd is happy: http://paste.debian.net/171817/ |
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| 20:06.14 | abrotman | does n-m have a debug mode ? that desont' seem like a useful pile of info |
| 20:06.49 | PerfDave | I'll look, but that's about as verbose as it usually is. |
| 20:08.27 | beardy | waves to PerfDave |
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| 20:09.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | good afternoon :-D |
| 20:09.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | anyone here ever install debian on a thin client |
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| 20:10.19 | dvs | misplaces his crystal ball |
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| 20:11.52 | TehRabbitt-Work | basically I have a WYSE thin client that I want to get debian installed onto, but i'm not sure if it's even possible... WYSE Model VXO |
| 20:11.53 | PerfDave | Hey beardy |
| 20:12.30 | PerfDave | TehRabbitt-Work: It wouldn't be very fast if you did :) |
| 20:12.45 | PerfDave | TehRabbitt-Work: Maybe talk to the LTSP people about using a WYSE client to access an LTSP server? |
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| 20:13.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | PerfDave: it only needs to run iceweasel so I can display my splunk + opennms + cacti graphs on a 42" screen |
| 20:13.50 | kroaken | DotHack: Do you know the command to switch my usb dongle 3G trough usb_modeswitch ? |
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| 20:14.32 | kroaken | DotHack: I want it to work like a charm :P but with 3G not with pen :D |
| 20:15.21 | PerfDave | TehRabbitt-Work: iceweasel's not an "only", it's a huge bloaty pile :) But seriously, if you can't find instructions to install Debian on that hardware, I'd look at using it as a thin X terminal onto a server. |
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| 20:15.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm |
| 20:16.03 | PerfDave | abrotman: Network-Manager does have a debug mode, mostly seems useful for wifi though - need to disable the wifi-related crap |
| 20:16.39 | penguin42 | I'm confused by the bug search; http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&merged=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc shows bug 667151 in the RC list, but looking at that bug it shows it being fixed over 2 weeks ago - why? |
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| 20:17.51 | kroaken | Does anyone got a clue how to work with usbmodeswitch ? |
| 20:18.01 | kroaken | im using it as a regular pen i wanna use it as a gongle |
| 20:18.05 | kroaken | dongle 3g |
| 20:18.06 | kroaken | :P |
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| 20:18.16 | stew | penguin42: its fixed in sid but not in wheezy? |
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| 20:18.50 | PerfDave | kroaken: What's the 3G dongle called? usb_modeswitch should work by default when you plug the device in - see /var/log/messages for details. |
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| 20:19.28 | kroaken | PerfDave: i just have to type # usb_modeswitch ?! |
| 20:19.29 | stew | penguin42: note that it goes away when you tell it to ignore bugs marked as done |
| 20:21.00 | dondelelcaro | farkerhaiku: the end user doesn't need to use a console if they're using synaptic or similar |
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| 20:21.44 | kroaken | hey im having problems installing my 3G dongle any help would be apreciated thx !!! |
| 20:21.54 | kroaken | usb_modeswitch doesnt work |
| 20:22.55 | kroaken | Can someone give me a example of using the usb_modeswitch ? |
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| 20:23.04 | PerfDave | kroaken: You shouldn't have to type anything |
| 20:23.17 | PerfDave | kroaken: What does /var/log/messages say when you plug your USB 3G dongle in? |
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| 20:23.42 | PerfDave | kroaken: Also, what is your 3G dongle, what version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:24.02 | kroaken | attached scsi |
| 20:24.06 | kroaken | blablabla |
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| 20:24.28 | kroaken | my 3G dongle is Huwaii |
| 20:24.41 | kroaken | im running debian 2.6.32 |
| 20:24.52 | PerfDave | kroaken: OK, if you're not going to help me, I'm not going to help you. If you want help, paste the linees that appear in /var/log/messages using http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:24.59 | stew | the current version of debian is 6.0.5 |
| 20:25.05 | kroaken | ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:25.10 | kroaken | im on it |
| 20:25.12 | kroaken | wait a sec |
| 20:25.16 | stew | and I doubt that your /var/log/messages actaually says "blablabla" |
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| 20:28.16 | kroaken | is there any way of enabling mouse in debian console ? |
| 20:28.27 | dvs | gpm |
| 20:28.41 | PerfDave | Depends what you mean by "console" |
| 20:28.48 | jjjj_ | Tried installing debian from a netinstall cd. Failed because it cant get a file from CD. CD integrity is good. Logs : http://paste.debian.net/171822/ |
| 20:29.00 | kroaken | danke |
| 20:29.09 | PerfDave | If you mean the text-mode consoles on tty1-tty6, gpm might work, or screen will emulate copy and paste functionality |
| 20:29.36 | superstraw | jjjj_: remove the cdrom listing from apt's sources.list? |
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| 20:31.22 | jjjj_ | superstraw: It fails before installing base system. there is no sources.list ! |
| 20:31.48 | kroaken | DotHack: Do you mind i copy 3 lines in the channel ? |
| 20:31.54 | penguin42 | stew: Ah OK, I'll try a new search with ignore-done |
| 20:32.02 | kroaken | my mouse run out of batteries |
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| 20:32.19 | kroaken | May 29 16:29:44 sandieg-host kernel: [ 1464.195798] sr1: scsi-1 drive |
| 20:32.19 | kroaken | May 29 16:29:44 sandieg-host kernel: [ 1464.196145] sr 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 5 |
| 20:32.30 | stew | kroaken: use a pastebin |
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| 20:32.51 | jjjj_ | kroaken: paste.debian.net |
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| 20:33.26 | marke | any real difference between rsync over ssh vs rsync through ssh tunnel (via localhost) ? |
| 20:33.34 | superstraw | jjjj_: /etc/apt/sources.list has the cdrom entry, put a # in front of it. |
| 20:33.38 | penguin42 | stew: Thanks - that's a lot happier |
| 20:34.19 | jjjj_ | superstraw: There is no sources.list *while* you are installing the base machine. |
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| 20:34.42 | jjjj_ | superstraw: The step "installing the base machine" failed. There was nothing there. |
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| 20:35.42 | jjjj_ | It feels quite stupid that CD wont install without bugs. Why is the installer not trying to fetch a file from the internet if it cant from the CD instead of failing bigtime? The funny thing is that the files are there. I needed to install from a netinstall because debian normal cd comes with an insane number of packages which i never use. |
| 20:35.45 | jexmex | how can I kill a app that will not close? |
| 20:36.01 | PerfDave | jexmex: kill? |
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| 20:36.04 | stew | jjjj_: the bug you are experiening is expected |
| 20:36.09 | jjjj_ | jexmex: pkill -9 foo |
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| 20:36.19 | jjjj_ | stew: How do i fix it ? |
| 20:36.27 | kroaken | How do i copy paste from window to window ? |
| 20:36.30 | stew | jjjj_: the download page says "Before you download the daily built images, we suggest you check for known issues.", referring to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 20:36.38 | jexmex | ok, I guess my next question is, how can I tell what 'foo' is for this application? |
| 20:36.38 | stew | jjjj_: there is a bug listed there |
| 20:37.00 | jjjj_ | jexmex: ps -e | grep appName should say something sensible |
| 20:37.10 | jexmex | ok will try that |
| 20:37.11 | jexmex | thanks |
| 20:37.18 | jjjj_ | stew: Any idea when its gonna be fixed ? |
| 20:37.52 | stew | jjjj_: did you check the bug? I didn't |
| 20:38.01 | PerfDave | jjjj_: This is the fun you get when you don't instal stable. |
| 20:38.05 | devmikey | kitten* devmikey, well... i don't remember seeing [mypenis] :\ |
| 20:38.14 | devmikey | oops, wrong channel |
| 20:38.15 | DotHack | kroaken, sorry wasnt paying attention to my irc screen... |
| 20:38.33 | jjjj_ | stew: I am sort of fed up with the insane dependencies while upgrading to sid. It needs GB sized downloads so i needed to start with a simpler base machine |
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| 20:38.41 | stew | jjjj_: what is your goal in testing this installer in the first place? |
| 20:39.01 | PerfDave | jjjj_: You seem to be mistakenly thinking that sid is an upgrade :) |
| 20:39.05 | stew | jjjj_: which dependencies are insane? |
| 20:39.05 | jjjj_ | stew: I dont want a machine with a million packages i never use. So i needed sid with only stuff i needed |
| 20:39.16 | stew | jjjj_: which packages are installed that you will never use? |
| 20:39.27 | stew | jjjj_: and how does sid help? |
| 20:39.27 | jjjj_ | stew: Hmm, i will comeback with a list in a while :P |
| 20:39.45 | jjjj_ | stew: I love sid. i mean gnome3 classic is not so bad |
| 20:39.58 | jjjj_ | Please have a look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10805362/how-to-use-a-file-path-in-sources-list |
| 20:40.00 | Iridos | you'll be in trouble bigtime if that list doesn't add up to a million |
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| 20:40.52 | jjjj_ | 1: http://paste.debian.net/171823/ |
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| 20:41.49 | jjjj_ | There are *too many* unwanted packages by default. Leads to too many dependencies. Upgrading to gnome-shell needs an upgrade of openoffice, which is like couple of 100Mb |
| 20:41.53 | jjjj_ | *MB |
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| 20:43.25 | jjjj_ | So here is the deal guys, I need a bloody minimal machine. I prefer sid. I installed 6.0.0 because 1. netinstaller failed, 2. I cant download a new ISO. Now what should i do? |
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| 20:44.03 | stew | jjjj_: why would you install 6.0.0 instead of the current 6.0.5 release? |
| 20:44.27 | technologov | jjjj_, you can upgrade 6.0.0 to either 6.0.5 or to "unstable" |
| 20:44.31 | jjjj_ | stew: Its a bit horrible to wait for a uge ISO to download with lot of unwanted stuff, then dig into synaptic and remove all of it. |
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| 20:44.46 | penguin42 | jjjj_: Have you tried debootstrap to build a minimal install - it's pretty good for when you need a weird setup |
| 20:44.53 | stew | jjjj_: what on it is unwanted? |
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| 20:45.12 | jjjj_ | stew: Office, epiphany |
| 20:45.14 | stew | jjjj_: download the netinsta which is < 200mb and only contains required packages |
| 20:45.18 | archetech | whats the eqiv of chkconfig --list in debian? |
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| 20:45.26 | stew | archetech: what does chkconfig --list do? |
| 20:45.35 | jjjj_ | stew: I just reported that it wont work now! |
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| 20:45.45 | stew | jjjj_: why does it not work? |
| 20:45.48 | stew | jjjj_: do you get an error? |
| 20:46.00 | stew | jjjj_: have you tried a current version? |
| 20:46.02 | jjjj_ | stew: Any man debootstrap ?? |
| 20:46.14 | stew | jjjj_: what? i don't understand the question |
| 20:46.18 | jjjj_ | stew: Tried installing debian from a netinstall cd. Failed because it cant get a file from CD. CD integrity is good. Logs : http://paste.debian.net/171822/ |
| 20:46.31 | stew | jjjj_: you are trying a cd which is DOCUMENTED TO BE BROKEN |
| 20:46.43 | archetech | OR is there a services app for xfce4? |
| 20:46.51 | jjjj_ | stew: You said check debootstrap. Any manual on that ? |
| 20:47.00 | stew | you are downloading one where they took one called ALPHA and started changing things saying "we're probably going to break more stuff while we develop it" |
| 20:47.12 | stew | jjjj_: i didn't, and yes, it comes with a manpage |
| 20:47.37 | jjjj_ | oh, penguin42 said so |
| 20:47.44 | stew | i would not recommend that |
| 20:47.56 | jjjj_ | !Expected *DOCUMENTED TO BE BROKEN* to finish installation somehow. My bad |
| 20:47.57 | stew | i would recommend taking the currently released netinst and then upgrade if you must |
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| 20:48.43 | jjjj_ | stew: I got it 2 days back. its 180MB. Bad internet. I would have loved a *diff* download. |
| 20:48.50 | stew | you went to the installer development page and downloaded a daily image which is generated everyday even if it is known to be broken, right next to the link was a link sayin "check here to see what is broken before downloading" |
| 20:48.57 | penguin42 | jjjj_: It can make a very small install but it does tend to take a bit of patience to fix |
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| 20:49.13 | stew | penguin42: what needs to be fixed? |
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| 20:49.31 | jjjj_ | REPEAT, !Expected *DOCUMENTED TO BE BROKEN* to finish installation somehow. My bad |
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| 20:49.47 | penguin42 | stew: My experience is debootstrap'd setups normally have broken/no boot loader and are often missing all the really basics |
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| 20:50.02 | stew | penguin42: why on earth would he use debootstrap instead of a netinst? |
| 20:50.19 | jjjj_ | Why not setup a git repo of daily ISOs? People will be able to download *diffs* if they have any old version :) |
| 20:50.24 | stew | penguin42: what is a debootstrap missing? |
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| 20:50.46 | stew | jjjj_: doesn't jigdo solve that problem? |
| 20:50.59 | stew | (long before git even was conceived) |
| 20:51.02 | penguin42 | stew: I've done very small installs with debootstrap and it's great - it's just I normally find there are always some basics I need to fix up after I'm done with debootstrap |
| 20:51.18 | stew | penguin42: is this somehow different from netinst? |
| 20:51.25 | stew | penguin42: isn't it the exact same package list? |
| 20:51.51 | penguin42 | stew: I don't think the base set that a debootstrap pulls in is smaller |
| 20:52.00 | jjjj_ | stew: Oh, really? Never knew that it can use an old ISO. Means i can download a *diff* to today's ISO with jigdo and 2 days old ISO? I got that with wget by the way |
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| 20:53.04 | stew | no that's not what it means |
| 20:53.43 | dokma | what is s in drwxr-sr-x and how to remove it? |
| 20:54.12 | stew | dokma: "group sticky" means that new files will inherit the group ownership from the directory. remove it with "chmod g-s" |
| 20:54.25 | dokma | thanks a bunch |
| 20:54.32 | jjjj_ | Any way to fix http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10805362/how-to-use-a-file-path-in-sources-list by the way? |
| 20:54.45 | stew | penguin42: it looks like debootstrap by default does ~prequired ~pimportant |
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| 20:55.29 | jjjj_ | What is the cli version of synaptic's "Add downloaded packages" ?? It pulls local debs to /var/cache/apt/archives *if they are of the right version* |
| 20:55.36 | penguin42 | stew: I've used it to make tiny roots in the past - but as I say it always leaves something messy to fix for me |
| 20:55.44 | stew | jjjj_: does file:/home/Jaseem/Archives/Debian/dists exist? |
| 20:56.04 | stew | (and .../dists/sid) |
| 20:56.23 | jjjj_ | stew: Yes! I have a bunch of local debs not a local debian mirror. Hence its pointless to look for Release.gz |
| 20:56.24 | stew | penguin42: so why does he want to use this instead of a netinst? |
| 20:56.44 | stew | jjjj_: yeah, that's why its telling you there is no problem with the missing Release.gpg |
| 20:57.06 | stew | the error is not about the Release.gpg, its about the missing main/contrib/non-free Packages.gz |
| 20:57.06 | penguin42 | stew: Well he was after a tiny install and he couldn't get the standard install to work for testing, but he did have a working sid install |
| 20:57.33 | stew | penguin42: he was trying an installer which is known to be broken instead of the standard installer |
| 20:57.36 | jjjj_ | stew: Such a file will exist if its a local mirror. I dont have a local mirror in my laptop |
| 20:57.46 | stew | penguin42: he should be trying the known to be working installer instead of the known to be broken installer |
| 20:58.06 | stew | jjjj_: which file will exist? |
| 20:58.17 | penguin42 | stew: Sorry, didn't know it was a known to be broken |
| 20:58.18 | jjjj_ | stew: "known to be working installer" is having too many unwanted stuff |
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| 20:58.41 | stew | jjjj_: give me an example of something unwanted |
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| 20:58.55 | stew | penguin42: i've mentioned this 3 or 4 times now, and provided the link and bugnumber |
| 20:59.05 | jjjj_ | stew: Epiphany browser. There is iceweasel aready. Why ship 2? |
| 20:59.10 | stew | jjjj_: that is not ont he netinst |
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| 20:59.19 | penguin42 | stew: Sorry, I hadn't noticed it at the time |
| 20:59.23 | stew | jjjj_: neither are, the netinst is ONLY required packages |
| 20:59.45 | jjjj_ | stew: I was talking about normal ones. Thats why i went for a netinstall. But, its broken :( |
| 20:59.57 | stew | ... |
| 21:00.00 | stew | i give up |
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| 21:00.16 | jjjj_ | stew: Cheer up :) |
| 21:00.18 | stew | you went for a known broken netinst and confirmed that it was borken in exactly the expected way |
| 21:00.35 | stew | there are non-broken netinst cds |
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| 21:01.26 | craigevil | stable netinstall works |
| 21:01.58 | jjjj_ | stew: Forget that. My problem is the SO question. How can i add a bunch of debs to /var/cache/apt/archives if they are the ones to be installed? Synaptic gives an option but hangs when there are a lot of files |
| 21:02.04 | dvs | likes calling on Kenshi |
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| 21:03.08 | stew | jjjj_: you have to generate a pacakges.gz file, you can use dpkg-scanpackages for this or something more heavyweight like reprepro |
| 21:03.11 | robin_sz | so, any clues how to get tomcat6 to bind to port 443 on debian squeeze? I set "authbind=yes" in etc/default.tomcat6 already |
| 21:03.40 | stew | jjjj_: you are unlikely to actually be manually spllitting those packatges back into main/contrib/non-free componnets |
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| 21:03.45 | davidgul | hi |
| 21:03.55 | dvs | goodbye! |
| 21:04.35 | jjjj_ | stew: dpkg-scanpackages dont exist! |
| 21:04.37 | stew | jjjj_: the repository HOWTO (even though it claims to be out-dated documentation) is actually a good reference about how your resulting might be setup, as either a "trivial" repository or a "automatic" repository. |
| 21:04.54 | stew | jjjj_: yes, it does |
| 21:05.14 | davidgul | So i have two monitors and two kyebords and mouses. what i would like to do is to configure each monitor as a difrent desktop that difrent kyebord control it . |
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| 21:05.26 | stew | i'm guessing you'll want to just use dpkg-scanpacakges to create a trivial repository, which you can do by reading the repository howto |
| 21:05.29 | jjjj_ | stew: I meant bash: dpkg-scanpackages: command not found |
| 21:05.31 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 21:05.36 | jelly-hme | jjjj_: /msg judd file bin/dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 21:05.43 | jiijo | hi |
| 21:05.44 | robin_sz | this should not be so hard |
| 21:06.57 | jiijo | i've installed debian squeeze on a notebook. Is there a way to avoid it to suspend/hibernate when i close the lid? (i'm _not_ using a desktop manager, just plain console) |
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| 21:07.16 | jjjj_ | jelly-hme: Thats not working |
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| 21:07.58 | jelly-hme | jjjj_: you're not getting a response from the bot? |
| 21:08.07 | jjjj_ | There is no file like that in the machine. |
| 21:08.27 | jjjj_ | jelly-hme: locate dpkg-scanpackages returns nothing |
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| 21:08.36 | jelly-hme | jjjj_: "/msg judd file bin/dpkg-scanpackages" is an irc command to ask a bot about which package the file is in |
| 21:08.51 | stew | jjjj_: did you try searching for what packages might provide this binary? |
| 21:09.14 | jelly-hme | jjjj_: run it in your irc client, look at the private message you receive, and verify said package is installed |
| 21:09.20 | jjjj_ | stew: dpkg-dev ? works like an alias ? |
| 21:09.35 | stew | jjjj_: yes, dpkg-dev. what do you mean by "works like an alias"? |
| 21:09.50 | jjjj_ | stew: dpkg-dev works like an alias to dpkg-scanpackages ? |
| 21:09.57 | stew | no |
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| 21:10.12 | stew | jjjj_: one is a package name, the other is a file contained in that package |
| 21:10.18 | jelly-hme | jjjj_: package names and tool names can differ |
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| 21:11.06 | jjjj_ | stew: again, broken dependencies, i cant install dpkg-dev :( |
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| 21:11.13 | stew | jjjj_: what is the error you get? |
| 21:11.13 | davidgul | some one ? |
| 21:11.51 | jjjj_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/57YUJLgf |
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| 21:13.04 | stew | jjjj_: you are trying to install the sid version onto something which is still running stable (or at least parts of stable) |
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| 21:13.29 | stew | jjjj_: all the "to be installed" things are referencing the already installed versions of stable pacakges |
| 21:14.13 | jjjj_ | stew: Yes, it never reaches sid 100% for me. Always get stuck with dependencies. Something or the other wont work. anyways, its *unstable* |
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| 21:14.31 | stew | jjjj_: you should not try to mix stable and unstable, run one or the other |
| 21:14.32 | archetech | installed nvidia driver via synaptic reboot leaves blinking cursor |
| 21:14.43 | stew | jjjj_: don't try to just start mixing sid into a stable install |
| 21:14.57 | stew | jjjj_: and it seems like the right thing for you is probably just to run stable and ignore sid completely for now |
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| 21:16.47 | jjjj_ | stew: Removing a lot of packages from stable. Will upgrade after that. Office, epiphany, xsane, games, gimp, inkscape, iceweasel, evolution, ekiga, liferea, evolution, all accesibility stuff etc. They add upto a major share of the upgrade |
| 21:17.40 | stew | why "upgrade" at all? |
| 21:18.02 | stew | stuff not broken enough for you yet? |
| 21:18.25 | jjjj_ | stew: lol |
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| 21:18.51 | stew | seriously. sid is meant for experienced devlopers which are debugging pacakges, you are failing at basic tasks like isntalling packages |
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| 21:19.05 | JonEdney | Hey, so when I browse the Debian downloads, there are like 53 iso files. Why so many? What do I download? |
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| 21:19.37 | daemonkeeper | Because that's how large Debian is. That said, you won't need them all. |
| 21:19.38 | stew | JonEdney: use the ~200mb netinst if you are installing onto a networked machine. the other isos are for delivering packages to machines which cannot download them via a network |
| 21:19.58 | jjjj_ | JonEdney: Not today's netinstall one please. Thats broken. |
| 21:20.07 | JonEdney | Alright, thanks |
| 21:20.14 | stew | JonEdney: ignore him |
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| 21:20.40 | stew | JonEdney: the broken one he is talking about is a developer image for a not yet released version of debian. the released version is not broken |
| 21:20.55 | jjjj_ | stew: lol. Ill figure out a way. Thanks. GN |
| 21:21.08 | JonEdney | Thanks stew |
| 21:21.19 | craigevil | stable installer works, the testing installer is clearly labeled alpha |
| 21:21.31 | stew | no, he didn't use the alpha, he used the daily |
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| 21:21.37 | stew | the alpha would probably have worked |
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| 21:22.52 | aaa801 | How do i get the battery widget to display if i did a dist upgrade to sid? |
| 21:22.55 | aaa801 | gnome3 |
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| 21:23.40 | craigevil | ah only reason to mess with the daily is to work on the bugs it has |
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| 21:24.13 | aaa801 | i needed it for the new xorg drivers etc :/ |
| 21:24.21 | aaa801 | i915 is a !@##!" |
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| 21:25.35 | dvs | aaa801: actually intel is pretty well supported |
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| 21:25.56 | aaa801 | well with stable i was getting a gpu hang every hour or so |
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| 21:26.05 | aaa801 | i have one of the plagued dell inspirons |
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| 21:28.05 | g4mbit | rly great.... my vpn host has been banned o.O d'oh... |
| 21:28.45 | Cyclohexane | which host? |
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| 21:29.35 | g4mbit | seems they banned *.vpntunnel.se |
| 21:29.38 | g4mbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.38 | g4mbit | * Closing Link: 178.73.212.230 (*** Banned ) |
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| 21:31.34 | superstraw | argh mateys in se! |
| 21:31.46 | valerie | I am trying to download audio file from computer to my Digital voice recorder via USB. The file shows up in the recorder, but it labels it unknown and doesn't play it. Does it mean that my Recorder is not compatible with Linux? |
| 21:31.46 | dvs | arrrrrrrrrrrrgh |
| 21:32.31 | aaa801 | chmod -x chmod ;) |
| 21:32.56 | aaa801 | valerie: make and model? |
| 21:33.23 | superstraw | format of audio file? |
| 21:33.35 | valerie | aaa801, SanDisk Sansa c250 vi |
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| 21:34.54 | alex- | Are there Trojans / keyloggers for debian? |
| 21:34.59 | aaa801 | sigh.. |
| 21:35.24 | aaa801 | valerie: Can you pastie.org your dmesg output after inserting the device? |
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| 21:35.32 | robin_sz | alex-, you mean are their key loggers for linux? |
| 21:35.39 | valerie | superstraw, I downloaded Youtube mp4 and converted it into mp3 using WinFF |
| 21:35.56 | davidgul | So i have two monitors and two kyebords and mouses. what i would like to do is to configure each monitor as a difrent desktop that difrent kyebord control it . |
| 21:36.02 | daemonkeeper | robin_sz: You mean "Are there key loggers for Linux and/or kFreeBSD" |
| 21:36.07 | alex- | robin_sz: yes |
| 21:36.13 | daemonkeeper | If you're nitpicking anyway, you know :p |
| 21:36.18 | technologov | alex-, developing a key-logger for Debian is doable.... provided users will install dependencies, and compile the stuff, and give it root access (@_@) |
| 21:36.32 | alex- | doable? |
| 21:36.32 | robin_sz | alex-, the answer is almost certainly yes, but you would need to be root to install it |
| 21:36.44 | aaa801 | valerie:? |
| 21:36.57 | robin_sz | angela! |
| 21:37.14 | technologov | alex-, it might exist, I just dunno. Google might help |
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| 21:37.48 | alex- | technologov: Does this also means I can find all trojans/keyloggers for Windows on google? |
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| 21:37.59 | robin_sz | alex-, yes |
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| 21:38.12 | valerie | aaa801, not sure how to do that |
| 21:38.14 | alex- | Then why can't antivirus companies just prevent them? |
| 21:38.37 | robin_sz | on linux? I dont know of any that try to prevent them on linux |
| 21:38.41 | aaa801 | valerie: open up a terminal, type dmesg > log.txt , then put the contents of that file onto pastie.org |
| 21:39.06 | robin_sz | they happen so rarely, its not a problem worth solving |
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| 21:39.22 | technologov | alex-, some key-loggers are for legal use. For example if a company is spying on their own workers... it would be 'OK'. |
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| 21:39.40 | robin_sz | nods |
| 21:39.52 | robin_sz | or if you are trying to get into your sisters email account |
| 21:40.01 | technologov | ha ha ^^ |
| 21:40.06 | robin_sz | or the hot chick next door .. those are legal ... |
| 21:40.08 | robin_sz | i think? |
| 21:40.33 | technologov | that would classify as "barely legal" :P |
| 21:40.37 | balancer | can anyone help me? i have booted my dockstar over nfs, but cant login as root on the seriel terminal |
| 21:40.38 | robin_sz | ah yes |
| 21:40.45 | balancer | just nothing happens when i want to use root |
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| 21:41.00 | aaa801 | balancer: can you login to other accs? |
| 21:41.02 | balancer | i get login incorrect |
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| 21:41.11 | balancer | aaa801 dont have any other accs |
| 21:41.29 | aaa801 | maybe you have logins to root blocked over network ? |
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| 21:42.58 | aaa801 | Whats the command that launchs the widget editor for gnome? |
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| 21:59.45 | valerie | aaa801, I pasted it to pastie.org. http://pastie.org/3991519 |
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| 22:00.34 | aaa801 | valerie: you say it doesnt appear as mounted? |
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| 22:01.06 | aaa801 | looks like it detected just fine :/ |
| 22:01.08 | DotHack | anyonw knows some file copy queuing program.. |
| 22:01.54 | DotHack | for examply i want to queue files for copying to a remote system but i want the remote system to periocally process the queue |
| 22:02.31 | valerie | aaa801, the audio file appears in the recorder, but i can not play. It actually freezes the recorder and I have to take the battery in and out to unfreeze it |
| 22:02.40 | aaa801 | :s |
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| 22:03.00 | aaa801 | so the file appears on the debian system, but crashs the guest device, correct? |
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| 22:06.27 | valerie | aaa801, I downloaded video from youtube as mp4 file and converted it to mp3 file using WinFF and both files play fine on the computer, but when I transfer the mp3 file to the recorder, it doesn't play it |
| 22:06.49 | aaa801 | O, What bitrate did you use? |
| 22:06.55 | aaa801 | it might be a unsupported codec |
| 22:07.14 | aaa801 | theres a rockbox distribution avilable for it that might help you out |
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| 22:07.25 | vlt | Are there different MP3 codecs? |
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| 22:08.47 | aaa801 | not as such, but if its converted with quite a high quality it might murder the software on the recorder |
| 22:09.05 | vlt | Ok |
| 22:09.11 | aaa801 | valerie: if your feeling brave --> http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-c200-series/Sansa-c250-rockbox-installation/td-p/87563 |
| 22:09.55 | valerie | aaa801, thanks |
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| 22:10.06 | aaa801 | np |
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| 22:13.28 | parabyte | okay i got a interesting question |
| 22:14.00 | parabyte | If for some reason you could not use debian any more! what other os other then Linux would Debian people use? |
| 22:14.10 | ompaul | Debian |
| 22:14.50 | parabyte | ;) |
| 22:14.53 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:15.05 | parabyte | themill, :) okay |
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| 22:21.11 | ax25 | hi |
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| 22:22.12 | themill | renames ax25 node.js |
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| 22:24.08 | ax25 | j |
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| 22:26.40 | txomon|home | If I have stable in the sources, will it automatically upgrade all the packages he needs when there is a change of version? |
| 22:27.01 | txomon|home | (I mean, doing apt-get upgrade -y) |
| 22:27.14 | themill | txomon|home: using "stable" in your sources.list is not recommended. You'll get nasty surprises if you do that. |
| 22:27.25 | themill | dpkg: tell txomon|home about stable sources.list |
| 22:28.04 | engla | txomon|home: it's a bad idea because each new stable release might have instructions for the upgrade which are given with the release |
| 22:28.09 | txomon|home | themill, but which sort of things can I encounter? |
| 22:28.35 | txomon|home | engla, so I might use dist-upgrade? |
| 22:28.49 | themill | dpkg: tell txomon|home about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:29.09 | themill | txomon|home: have a look at the complexity of those instructions... you need to do this manually, not hope that it will automatically solve itself |
| 22:29.11 | engla | txomon|home: these things might come up http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
| 22:29.45 | themill | txomon|home: You could feasibly end up with a machine that doesn't boot if you didn't pay attention to this. |
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| 22:30.21 | peterrooney | txomon|home: it should be interesting to note that the squeeze->wheezy process differs from the lenny->squeeze process. Putting "stable" in your sources is sending a formal invitation to trouble. |
| 22:30.47 | txomon|home | ok, but having "testing" doesn't, does it? |
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| 22:31.23 | themill | txomon|home: well, you *always* have to pay attention to what is going to be upgraded/removed etc in testing, and there are no release notes to help you |
| 22:31.33 | txomon|home | oki |
| 22:32.23 | peterrooney | txomon|home: the "testing" branch is just that - a branch that is undergoing testing. As in, not tested. |
| 22:32.24 | txomon|home | btw, is there any preseeding creator? |
| 22:33.12 | peterrooney | dpkg: preseed |
| 22:33.13 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 22:33.51 | txomon|home | peterrooney, but testing will be all the time changing, won't it? I mean, it is always updated, so no upgrade problems should exist (as they are little by little upgrades) |
| 22:34.50 | paerca | hi somebody know why when i shut down my debian it restarts instead? |
| 22:34.51 | themill | well... upgrade problems exist every day instead... |
| 22:35.21 | txomon|home | peterrooney, I already read all that. I mean a creator, something that answering questions makes the work instead of doing it yourself little by little |
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| 22:36.19 | peterrooney | txomon|home: I don't run testing. That's a different channel. |
| 22:36.42 | txomon|home | peterrooney, ? I don't understand that |
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| 22:37.21 | txomon|home | I wanted to know if anyone knew about any tool to help you creating those preseed.cfg |
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| 22:39.38 | txomon|home | something like system-config-kickstart |
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| 22:40.49 | peterrooney | txomon|home: as near as I can tell, no such tool is known. it's manual only or the problematic debconf-get-selections method |
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| 22:41.21 | txomon|home | peterrooney, ok. Thank you very much |
| 22:42.10 | peterrooney | I suppose the caveat about it is there because some critical debconf answers are absolutely host-specific |
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| 22:44.40 | txomon|home | peterrooney, not really, all can be configured, as you can create them on hand, but it doesn't exist yet a graphical tool... |
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| 22:55.08 | snL20 | das952: hello |
| 22:55.19 | das952 | hey :) |
| 22:55.35 | snL20 | das952: det er 1163 nicks her btw |
| 22:55.47 | das952 | ser det, men jeg gikk inn på en annen en :P |
| 22:55.54 | snL20 | das952: ok ;) |
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| 22:56.08 | snL20 | das952: stick to english though.. channel rule usuallly |
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| 22:57.00 | das952 | ohh, okay, will try my best :P |
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| 22:57.51 | das952 | I have installed a light version of debian and when I boot the screen goes black |
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| 23:03.14 | txomon|home | das952, and what? |
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| 23:05.25 | das952 | nothing happens, I select normal boot, and then all the text runs across the screen and after that the screen goes black, nothing else happens |
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| 23:07.06 | txomon|home | das952, you know what means a basic installation? |
| 23:07.12 | abrotman | das952: what is your video card? |
| 23:07.45 | txomon|home | abrotman, I think he doesn't have any graphical environment installed |
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| 23:08.08 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
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| 23:08.20 | txomon|home | das952, making Ctrl+alt+f1 shows something? |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | that wasn't why i asked .. nevermind .. |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | i'll let you do this |
| 23:09.08 | txomon|home | abrotman, no, I just want to check that he gets up to login screen, if he doesn't, all yours |
| 23:09.10 | das952 | it is integreated: http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=627020 |
| 23:09.14 | das952 | sorry for bad english |
| 23:09.54 | das952 | pressed ctrl+alt+f1, then i got login |
| 23:10.06 | das952 | I thought I had installed with grapichs :P |
| 23:10.58 | txomon|home | das952, so, if you do crtl alt f7 it shows anything? or just plain output? |
| 23:11.27 | abrotman | is pretty sure his norwegian sucks |
| 23:11.56 | trysten | is laughing |
| 23:11.56 | das952 | if I press with F7 the screen goes black again |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | das952: login at the terminal, type "lspci -nn | grep VGA" |
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| 23:12.44 | marco_69 | ciao |
| 23:12.50 | WinstonSmith | hugs hwinfo |
| 23:13.02 | marco_69 | !list |
| 23:13.03 | dpkg | marco_69: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 23:13.53 | txomon|home | das952, f1 to f6 are terminals, the f7 is the graphical "terminal", so your system is booting all right but the graphical env |
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| 23:15.13 | das952 | hehe, ok. I tought I had installed the grapich env. but then I can try out the terminal, that can be interesting :P |
| 23:15.26 | rauf | aptitude |
| 23:15.27 | txomon|home | in theory, when you install all the needed packages, you will get it booted automatically, if you do it on hand, or not an entire installation or something strange, you will have to startx it |
| 23:16.11 | txomon|home | das952, I usually have no desktop env in the servers I use, just xserver, and then ssh -Y it |
| 23:16.48 | das952 | I thougt I chose with grapics |
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| 23:17.38 | txomon|home | I dont know the package in debian (I installed my first debian today ;) ) but sure abrotman will know it |
| 23:18.50 | txomon|home | das952, try gnome-desktop |
| 23:18.56 | txomon|home | I think that is the one in debian |
| 23:19.34 | abrotman | know what? |
| 23:19.37 | abrotman | oh .. "xorg" |
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| 23:19.44 | abrotman | das952: aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 23:19.48 | abrotman | das952: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3 |
| 23:20.02 | txomon|home | debian doesn't use lightdm? |
| 23:20.19 | somiaj | debian gives you the freedom to choose the dm you want |
| 23:20.28 | abrotman | txomon|home: it can .. |
| 23:20.32 | ||DM|| | choose me! |
| 23:20.36 | abrotman | no |
| 23:20.41 | abrotman | silly pokemon |
| 23:20.44 | txomon|home | xDD |
| 23:20.49 | ||DM|| | but I'm a good DM :V |
| 23:22.14 | txomon|home | what stands for dm? desktop manager? |
| 23:22.29 | nevyn | display manager |
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| 23:22.42 | ||DM|| | If I told you, I'd be kicked out of the channel. But in the linux world it's display manager. |
| 23:23.36 | trysten | i don't understand |
| 23:24.16 | txomon|home | das952, anyway, for having a graphical env, you need a x server in the host machine, and a graphical desktop enviroment for having the windows, you can also have a different window manager (anyone correct me if I am wrong) and finally it is usual to have a dm to have a graphical login menu |
| 23:24.26 | txomon|home | trysten, what? |
| 23:24.47 | trysten | i don't understand what ||DM|| said |
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| 23:24.58 | txomon|home | trysten, that his nick is DM |
| 23:25.00 | nkuttler | trysten: ignore it |
| 23:25.06 | trysten | ignores it |
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| 23:27.36 | somiaj | txomon|home: yes you can use a window manager as opposed to a full desktop envoirment. |
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| 23:31.54 | gnarface | is there a hbase/hadoop database package in debian somewhere? or an apache package containing it or something like that? |
| 23:32.19 | abrotman | gnarface: you did try this "apt-cache search hadoop" thing .. right ? |
| 23:32.33 | gnarface | abrotman: yea and i'm assuming you didn't |
| 23:32.42 | abrotman | gnarface: i have before |
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| 23:33.10 | abrotman | gnarface: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:33.12 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 23:33.14 | gnarface | abrotman: judd doesn't seem to know anything about anything named hbase or hadoop either. my apt-cache searches turn up a couple false positives but nothing else |
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| 23:33.28 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm aware of backports but its not in sid either |
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| 23:35.14 | das952 | was away for a while here, ok. gonna try it without the grapics, more fun that way and then I learn more! |
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| 23:36.43 | abrotman | judd: versions hadoop-bin |
| 23:36.44 | judd | No package named 'hadoop-bin' was found in i386. |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | judd: versions hadoop-bin --arch all |
| 23:36.58 | judd | No package named 'hadoop-bin' was found in all. |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | oh nonsense! |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | gnarface: http://packages.debian.org/sid/hadoop-bin |
| 23:37.43 | themill | !dbugs 630820 |
| 23:37.47 | dpkg | DONE:#630820:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: hadoop -- NPOASR; orphaning all hadoop related packages (); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:33:01 UTC [] |
| 23:37.48 | gnarface | abramart: ?? |
| 23:38.00 | gnarface | i mean abrotman ?? |
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| 23:38.36 | abrotman | wonders if his browser has something dirty cached |
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| 23:40.49 | abrotman | themill: but uh .. they're still there, right ? |
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| 23:41.03 | themill | abrotman: I suspect packages.d.o has stale content. It's not on the mirrors. |
| 23:41.21 | paulfm | hey everyone, can some kind soul please tell me how I can get a list of packages Ive installed… not all installed packages on the system… is this possible? |
| 23:41.30 | gnarface | abrotman, themill just so i'm clear here... its being removed? |
| 23:41.37 | themill | paulfm: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 23:41.41 | themill | gnarface: past tense |
| 23:41.46 | abrotman | gnarface: if it hasn't been already, yes |
| 23:41.53 | paulfm | themill: thanks - taking a look |
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| 23:42.57 | themill | gnarface: the packaging is still available in git and there are notes on the wiki. i doubt the packaging was in particularly good shape though if it was removed. |
| 23:43.26 | abrotman | gnarface: i must have been looking for it a few weeks ago |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | gnarface: that's why i knew it had been there |
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| 23:44.04 | LittleFoot | ok gaize |
| 23:44.08 | LittleFoot | got ffmpeg to work |
| 23:44.12 | LittleFoot | w x264 |
| 23:44.39 | paulfm | themill: I followed the instructions… but aptitude says I need to provide a search term… .not sure where/how |
| 23:44.46 | LittleFoot | here is the link http://garrettreid.com/2010/ffmpeg-x264-libavfilter-debian-squeeze/ |
| 23:44.47 | gnarface | abrotman, themill thanks for the info. i'm trying to talk them out of using it. |
| 23:45.08 | abrotman | gnarface: why? what's the use case? what's the alternative? |
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| 23:45.41 | themill | paulfm: the command dpkg gave you had a search term |
| 23:45.55 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm still trying to figure that stuff out. they pretty much pull requirements like this out of their asses. |
| 23:46.09 | paulfm | themill: yes - I used that… the -F '%100p' |
| 23:46.20 | themill | that's not the search term |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | gnarface: we use it at work, it does have its uses |
| 23:46.50 | LittleFoot | sweet jesus |
| 23:46.51 | paulfm | themill: looks like that was a flag |
| 23:47.05 | LittleFoot | debian RULES! |
| 23:47.51 | abrotman | gnarface: as a side note, it's not an awful thing for an admin/consultant to learn .. seems very popular these days |
| 23:47.55 | paulfm | themill: if I add something like php for example… I get every php package in the repo… but Im after just the php packages over my debian base install that I have actually installed |
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| 23:48.48 | gnarface | abrotman: noted. is it even sane to try to backport this to squeeze do you think? or should i run it from sid? (i am aware of the normal dangers of using sid and have thus far avoided putting it into this production system) |
| 23:48.49 | paulfm | I guess I can maybe look at my apt history… |
| 23:48.59 | themill | paulfm: so the command that dpkg said of «aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list» would be quite handy then... you could add ~nphp to that to only get php packages |
| 23:50.07 | paulfm | themill: Im trying… I just added php (not ~nphp) and got all the packages in the reop |
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| 23:50.10 | paulfm | repo |
| 23:50.11 | abrotman | gnarface: I'm about to go OT :) |
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| 23:51.10 | themill | paulfm: I suspect that you didn't give the right command at all, given what you've said |
| 23:51.17 | paulfm | themill: I still get all packages in the repo continuing 'php' in the name… |
| 23:51.36 | LittleFoot | deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebian :DDDDDDDDDDD |
| 23:51.37 | themill | paulfm: how about you put the command you gave in a pastebin? |
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| 23:51.53 | paulfm | themill: Im typing this: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' ~nphp > package_list; |
| 23:52.02 | paulfm | oh sorry |
| 23:52.17 | themill | paulfm: get rid of the space between the two search terms |
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| 23:53.16 | paulfm | themill: I assumed the items between the single quotes were flags, and the search term was the '~nphp'.. what are the 2 terms? |
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| 23:53.33 | themill | dpkg: tell paulfm about aptitude search |
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| 23:54.04 | paulfm | themill: if I remove the space before the ~nphp I get an error saying there must be 1 search term |
| 23:54.23 | themill | paulfm: ~i is installed packages; !~M is manually installed packages; ~nphp is packages that have php in their name; add them together with no spaces and that's a boolean and. |
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| 23:56.17 | paulfm | themill: ok… thanks for the help… what if I want no name, I want all packages… then just use a '.*' regex? |
| 23:56.21 | alex- | Sorry, anyone said something to me for the last 2 hours? My client crashed.. :\ |
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| 23:58.40 | themill | paulfm: leave off that part just as dpkg described originally. |
| 23:59.33 | alex- | I was talking about that keylogger |
