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| 00:01.41 | paulfm | themill: what I don't get is that using the i!~M, or leaving it out gets me the same result? |
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| 00:02.20 | themill | paulfm: please put exact commands and output in a pastebin. It's too hard to find syntax errors in your commands when I can't see them |
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| 00:03.01 | paulfm | ok |
| 00:04.21 | themill | paulfm: if you remove the format string (-F '%100p') then you'll get more information about the list, including the installed status and the auto status |
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| 00:05.58 | paulfm | themill: http://pastebin.com/VtEJXDey |
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| 00:06.22 | paulfm | themill: that is what Im getting from pastebin |
| 00:06.34 | paulfm | themill: I mean on paste bin :-) |
| 00:06.50 | themill | paulfm: you need a space between your output formatting and the search term |
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| 00:07.18 | stew | does he want a space before the last search term? |
| 00:07.26 | paulfm | themill: ok… I thought there wasn't supposed to be one but I see you're right |
| 00:07.28 | themill | no, that's a separate problem |
| 00:07.40 | themill | paulfm: you're also missing the ~ in ~i |
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| 00:09.05 | themill | paulfm: if you look at «man aptitude» you'll see that «-F '%100p'» is one thing and not related to the search terms you're using. |
| 00:09.19 | paulfm | themill: yes I read about the format string |
| 00:09.48 | paulfm | themill: so I get better results… but those still look like default lenny packages… i.e. I never installed tasksel manually |
| 00:09.56 | Blackshirt | Good morning |
| 00:10.46 | themill | paulfm: packages installed by the installer will be marked as "manually installed" too. |
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| 00:11.21 | paulfm | themill: so how do I keep the list limited to what I chose to install via aptitude/apt? |
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| 00:11.46 | Blackshirt | What best feature the nex release debian wheezy |
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| 00:12.17 | stew | paulfm: i'm joining late, but !~prequired!~pimportant perhaps |
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| 00:12.30 | stew | Blackshirt: how would one measure one for "best"? |
| 00:12.33 | themill | I was going to go with «?or(~poptional,~pextra)» |
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| 00:12.43 | paulfm | stew: thanks… will try adding |
| 00:13.05 | Blackshirt | Stew, i mean spesific to debian improvement... |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | Blackshirt: have you seen release.debian.org ? |
| 00:13.28 | stew | Blackshirt: so lets say i had a list of features. how would I know which one was best? |
| 00:13.44 | abrotman | stew: the one that has the most +1s ? |
| 00:13.45 | dvs | abrotman: you're away! |
| 00:13.50 | abrotman | dvs: i am not! |
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| 00:14.17 | stew | abrotman: of course! |
| 00:14.28 | stew | which excludes me from answering! |
| 00:14.45 | paulfm | themill: I have a fresh squeeze 6.0.5 install and have only installed alsa-utils so theoretically I should only see that in my results… or ideally thats what I want to see |
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| 00:15.32 | peterrooney | paulfm: you could always dig through /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:15.34 | Blackshirt | Abrotman, not yet..but i would visit |
| 00:15.46 | themill | paulfm: yeah, that should work. The difference between what I suggested and what stew suggested is whether you picked the "standard" task in the installer |
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| 00:16.24 | paulfm | peterrooney: thanks - I just figured apt may have a command |
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| 00:16.46 | peterrooney | paulfm: it's brute force, to be sure, but in combination with aptitude search ~M it might work |
| 00:17.07 | stew | paulfm: right, what he said. there are 5 priorities, required, important, standard, optional, extra. the installer always install required and important, and installs standard if you check "standard install" which might be checked by default, i don't know. |
| 00:17.18 | Blackshirt | Stew, like apt was a big improvement on debian system that making a killer feature for other |
| 00:17.19 | paulfm | themill: Im still struggling… would I just add !~pimportant to the current search.. i.e. '~i!~M!~pimportant' |
| 00:17.33 | themill | aptitude can do this for you -- you just need to be able to tell the difference between line noise and aptitude search syntax |
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| 00:18.19 | themill | paulfm: assuming you install the standard task at the installer (you should!), then «aptitude search '~i!~M?or(~poptional,~pextra)'» should be enough. |
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| 00:18.43 | paulfm | themill: that looks good…. ill try it |
| 00:18.50 | paulfm | I found a term.log .. looks promising |
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| 00:22.54 | Malsasa | Hello, TAB button used for jump forward from one item to next item in GUI, e.g. Wordpress Login Page. Now how if i wanna jump backward? What button should I tap? |
| 00:23.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Malsasa about cross-post |
| 00:23.49 | paulfm | themill: looks like aptitude search '~i!~M?or(~poptional)' is as close as I can't get.. but there are a bunch of packages returned that I didn't manually install |
| 00:23.57 | paulfm | themill: thanks for all the help... |
| 00:24.12 | paulfm | themill: Ill go an see if I can get some aptitude seach chops |
| 00:24.21 | themill | have fun! |
| 00:24.24 | paulfm | heh |
| 00:24.45 | paulfm | themill: yeah…. I was thinking more about having a beer or something :-) |
| 00:25.01 | Malsasa | themill: Thank you... |
| 00:25.09 | Malsasa | dpkg: thank you. |
| 00:25.10 | dpkg | bitte, Malsasa |
| 00:25.20 | paulfm | k… off to dig in the man.. thanks themill (& stew ) |
| 00:25.48 | paulfm | very kind of you to educate me in the ways of the search |
| 00:26.02 | themill | yeah, it's very powerful and very weird. |
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| 00:26.41 | paulfm | themill: yes!.. Im glad you said it… rather cryptic and not very intuitive… but then again.. thats linux power… |
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| 00:28.28 | Blackshirt | Wah malsasa berkunjung kesini juga |
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| 00:29.43 | Malsasa | blackshirt: saya hanya tanya-tanya, Kang... |
| 00:30.03 | karlpinc | Blackshirt: This is an english speaking channel. If you do not speak english tell us your language and we may be able to direct you to debian support in your language. |
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| 00:31.20 | Blackshirt | Thanks karlpinc |
| 00:34.45 | Malsasa | karlpinc: thank you. |
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| 00:36.15 | karlpinc | Malsasa: dpkg is a bot. |
| 00:36.23 | karlpinc | !tell Malsasa about dpkgbot |
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| 00:37.59 | Malsasa | karlpinc: thank you. |
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| 00:41.33 | grom358 | should sure where to ask this.. reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#European_Union . So does that mean Samba is not legal in EU cause Samba server is competing product to Microsoft Windows File Server |
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| 01:01.23 | tintin | hi, how can i check if the grub2 is installed in /dev/sda or in /dev/sdb, i have two hard disks, the first one IDE and the second one is SATA |
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| 01:03.56 | tintin | hi, how can i check if the grub2 is installed in /dev/sda or in /dev/sdb, i have two hard disks, the first one IDE and the second one is SATA |
| 01:04.18 | dvs | tintin: Why not install it on both? |
| 01:05.03 | tintin | how can i check where is MBR? |
| 01:05.18 | tintin | installing on both is ambiguous |
| 01:05.37 | dvs | ambiguous? |
| 01:06.22 | tintin | if it's installed in /dev/sdb then how can i find that grub.cfg? |
| 01:07.40 | dvs | tintin: I have my grub installed on sda and sdb and booting from either drive find the grub config |
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| 01:09.05 | tintin | but if i installe grub2, it has a default grub.cfg, but i have have add menuentry manually |
| 01:09.22 | abrotman | which menu entry? |
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| 01:10.24 | tintin | menuentry or title for other linux systems |
| 01:10.29 | tintin | i have other linux systems |
| 01:10.51 | tintin | but aptitude install grub2 only installs the default grub.cfg containing the current debian here |
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| 01:11.05 | abrotman | tintin: so, go into /etc/grub.d/, and put yours there |
| 01:11.51 | dvs | tintin: that's what /etc/grub.d/40_custom is for |
| 01:13.43 | tintin | what about adding menuentry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 01:13.52 | dvs | tintin: that's what /etc/grub.d/40_custom is for |
| 01:13.56 | tintin | i normally add menuentry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 01:14.06 | dvs | tintin: You've been doing it wrong! |
| 01:14.07 | tintin | what's wrong adding menuentry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 01:14.17 | dvs | tintin: read the top of that file |
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| 01:15.30 | tintin | top of which file? |
| 01:15.39 | dvs | /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 01:21.19 | tintin | ok i added menuentry there in 40_custom, so will it override the /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | tintin: if you run 'update-grub', it hsould regenerate that file |
| 01:23.04 | tintin | update-grub or update-grub2 ? |
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| 01:23.52 | abrotman | tintin: point to the same place |
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| 01:28.45 | robotdevil | I only need cd 1 .iso correct to install with gui |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:29.30 | robotdevil | ok |
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| 01:30.14 | nsadmin | the netinst has gui or nongui |
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| 01:30.28 | robotdevil | is there a tool like in ubuntu for restricted drivers or do you still get hands dirty |
| 01:31.17 | nsadmin | it's different since debian views the non-free stuff differently than ubuntu does |
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| 01:31.54 | robotdevil | right I understand just been so long since I had to do it might forget lol |
| 01:32.02 | nsadmin | for known drivers it's not too dirty... |
| 01:32.15 | robotdevil | k |
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| 01:33.53 | robotdevil | so netinst is small like business card or a little bigger, you dodnt have to chroot and that with netinst |
| 01:34.07 | robotdevil | do you? |
| 01:34.08 | nsadmin | business card is really small |
| 01:34.28 | nsadmin | netinst has a copy of the installer and the base |
| 01:34.36 | dvs | robotdevil: netinst has a base system, business car does not |
| 01:34.42 | robotdevil | ok |
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| 01:35.14 | robotdevil | oh I see netinst probably has the ncurses gui or whatever |
| 01:35.15 | nsadmin | so with business card, you must have networking hardware and protocol that's supported |
| 01:35.24 | robotdevil | ok |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | the netinst does NOT have a GUI on the CD |
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| 01:35.41 | robotdevil | oh |
| 01:36.03 | nsadmin | oh, so when you choose gui, it goes to the net to get that? |
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| 01:36.45 | dvs | nsadmin: yes |
| 01:36.50 | robotdevil | this is the one I picked http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: are you serious? |
| 01:37.17 | nsadmin | robotdevil, that should work |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | robotdevil: that has a GUI or two on the CD, and some other basic tools .. You will want net access |
| 01:37.27 | dvs | robotdevil: That'll work but the netinst is better if you have a WIRED internet connection |
| 01:37.35 | robotdevil | yep always |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | you'll want net access regardless |
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| 01:38.09 | sideup66 | hello |
| 01:38.13 | nsadmin | that should also be true of buscard |
| 01:38.28 | sideup66 | im back and the build went well except now windows 7 is having woes with samba :/ |
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| 01:38.52 | nsadmin | abrotman, I was referring to the gui installer. what were you talking about? |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | nsadmin: no ... the bizcard *requires* the internet to install a base system |
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| 01:39.07 | sideup66 | the problem is that the debian squeeze box running samba wont accept passwords/usernames sent to it from windows 7, windows xp however, the lights are on and everybodys home without an issue |
| 01:39.19 | sideup66 | anyone ever have this happen, im using samba 3.5.6 |
| 01:39.36 | robotdevil | also what version of kde on stable? |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | nsadmin: I think he wants to install a GUI from the CD .. not use a GUI to do the install |
| 01:39.40 | dvs | use smbpasswd |
| 01:39.42 | abrotman | robotdevil: kde3 |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | wait, 4 |
| 01:39.48 | robotdevil | what |
| 01:40.01 | sideup66 | dvs what do i do with that command? |
| 01:40.12 | robotdevil | ok a little more specific |
| 01:40.26 | dvs | use it? I forget the format |
| 01:40.43 | robotdevil | for example I am using kde 4.8.2 |
| 01:41.11 | sideup66 | hmm ok, i read about the encryption issue with vista boxes but it was my understanding samba 3 caught up with the times... |
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| 01:41.34 | abrotman | robotdevil: packages.debian.org/kdelibs |
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| 01:43.02 | robotdevil | abrotman: about 4.4-4.5 ok thanks |
| 01:43.03 | nsadmin | abrotman, sure, that's what most people want (who wants to deal with this -unix- thing?! yuck!) and the way it was worded suggested he wanted to use the gui installer. |
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| 01:43.27 | sideup66 | could it be that the issue still exists somehow |
| 01:43.31 | craigevil | robotdevil, stable has kde 4.4.5 , only way to get kde 4.8.3 is the qt-kde repo or experimental |
| 01:43.39 | sideup66 | i double, triple, and quadruple checked my passwords and their right |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | wonders why he even pretends to have conversations with nsadmin |
| 01:44.37 | nsadmin | craigevil, or build it... is it so frowned upon to build that it's not even mentioned as a possibility? |
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| 01:45.21 | craigevil | ugh or mess with spending hours trying to build it |
| 01:45.41 | robotdevil | one more question, is anybody using the noveau driver with some sort of tvout successfully eg. hdmi to a plasma or dfp of some type |
| 01:45.41 | sideup66 | is there a way to disable authentication encryption in samba (i am on a home network and use the grc passwords, which are strong so the passwords are safe) |
| 01:46.09 | sideup66 | i see the encryption option in my smb.conf, will that send EVERYTHING in the clear or just login? |
| 01:49.06 | nsadmin | craigevil, that;s true... xfce-4.10 was a little messy to build in stable... took me two whole hours |
| 01:49.48 | craigevil | xfce has a lot less depends and a lot fewer packages than kde does |
| 01:50.13 | nsadmin | would you say it operates more cleanly? |
| 01:51.12 | craigevil | last time i messed with xfce was when etch was stable, im a kde nut |
| 01:51.17 | sideup66 | hmm just disabled password encryption (home network and access is all local) |
| 01:52.21 | nsadmin | sideup66, is that what you want, for all authentication to happen in the clear? |
| 01:52.57 | nsadmin | so you trust the inside of your net implicitly; not sure how you consider the outside |
| 01:54.28 | sideup66 | nsadmin: in the ideal world no |
| 01:54.46 | sideup66 | nsadmin: but windows 7 cant authenticate with this thing hardly at all, but xp has no problem |
| 01:55.12 | sideup66 | nsadmin: im thinking the disconnect is the ntlvm issue but its samba 3.5 which i believe the changelong lists that issue as fixed |
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| 01:55.27 | abrotman | sideup66: which version of Samba ? |
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| 01:55.30 | nsadmin | what's ntlvm? |
| 01:55.45 | sideup66 | abrotman: 3.5.6 |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | sideup66: in squeeze? |
| 01:55.56 | sideup66 | nsadmin: its the windows encryption protocol |
| 01:56.00 | sideup66 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:56.15 | craigevil | #1 reason to use kde , kteatime :) |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | sideup66: when i was using samba with Win7, I had to alter the Win7 security model to let it work with Samba |
| 01:56.43 | nsadmin | #0.9 reason, kbreakout |
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| 01:57.06 | abrotman | sideup66: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/windows/article.php/3849061/Use-Samba-With-Windows-7-Clients.htm |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | sideup66: roughly like that |
| 01:57.11 | sideup66 | abrotman: i know, but i find it strange because i couldve sworn it said that issue with 7 and vista was fixed in changelog, essentially 7 beefs up security |
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| 01:57.20 | oops | hi |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | sideup66: okay, well, i used it with squeeze, still had to do that .. |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | sideup66: worth a try .. make note of what you change in case you want to change it back |
| 01:58.24 | sideup66 | abrotman: nothing serverside can be done? |
| 01:58.40 | oops | 2 questions from a novice...1) What should the default auth.log permissions be? I deleted it then recreated it (as root), it's stuck at zero bytes. 2) even though I have SSH on a non-standard port, I'm getting connection attempts from China. Is there a package that will block/ignore all incoming packets from a specific country? (There are lists of which countries an IP belongs to, I want to |
| 01:58.40 | oops | block all of Asia) |
| 01:58.42 | abrotman | sideup66: not that i recall .. but i think we were able to do it with poliy stuff |
| 01:58.44 | nsadmin | , file usr/bin/mysql |
| 01:58.47 | sideup66 | i know im about to test w/ no auth from smb.conf as a test |
| 01:58.49 | judd | Search for usr/bin/mysql in squeeze/i386: mysql-client-5.1: usr/bin/mysql |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | oops: 2) fail2ban |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | oops: 1) i'd guess root:staff or root:adm |
| 01:59.23 | sideup66 | abrot: you are its just cleaner to change server than chase windows machines around |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | sideup66: abrot<tab> |
| 01:59.33 | simonlnu | ntlm, not ntlvm |
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| 01:59.42 | abrotman | sideup66: i'm aware .. it's a PITA, i know |
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| 02:00.25 | oops | abrotman: I want to alltogether ignore all of Asia. Like, as an IP range. |
| 02:00.30 | oops | not scan log files or any other niceties. |
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| 02:00.54 | oops | this is a personal server, no reason why someone in Asia would ever legitimately want to access it |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | oops: you can use iptables for that if oyu know the IP range |
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| 02:01.12 | abrotman | oops: perhaps something like port knocking might be better? |
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| 02:01.20 | nsadmin | oops, what are the ip ranges that asia has (even -thailand-?!) |
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| 02:02.05 | sideup66 | abrotman: its just weird, i have a mybook nas running that never had problems...not sure what version of samba is on that, id have to remote it to check |
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| 02:02.29 | oops | nsadmin: http://services.ce3c.be/ciprg/?countrys=THAILAND%2C&format=peerguardian&format2=Country+%3A%3A+{country}%0D%0AStart+IP+of+range+%3A%3A+{startip}%0D%0AEnd+IP+of+range+%3A%3A+{endip}%0D%0ANetmask+%3A%3A+{netmask}%0D%0A |
| 02:02.39 | oops | that's Thailand |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | nice URL ... |
| 02:02.57 | oops | sorry :) |
| 02:03.03 | oops | just go to http://services.ce3c.be/ciprg/ and select Thailand |
| 02:03.43 | sideup66 | abrotman: yup, doesnt let you do it over no encryption i think, i may have to do it that way ugh |
| 02:04.18 | sideup66 | nice part is when i built the system for backup i built into it an update system where i may be able to slip a script in and let everyone suck it down on the next reboot to do it automagically |
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| 02:04.28 | nsadmin | oops, it's allowed as a one-line paste (the limit is either 2 or 4 lines depending on who you ask)( |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | it is 4 lines .. it's not a question |
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| 02:05.27 | nsadmin | oh really? then fix the factoids on the bot |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | i didn't break it |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | the bot has a paste guideline .. the other bot kicks at 4 |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | not rocket science |
| 02:06.19 | nsadmin | your claim was that it's not a question... as long as the bot says 2 lines, the question is open |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | whatever works in your head .. |
| 02:06.48 | Devastator | and here we go.. |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | 22:06 < Devastator > and here we go.. |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | oh dear, i pasted two lines .. |
| 02:07.05 | peterrooney | it's a simple matter of incorrect documentation |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | no, it's netiquette |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | the bot will not kick you for two lines, but it is impolite |
| 02:07.48 | peterrooney | abrotman: sez you. |
| 02:07.58 | nsadmin | and politeness is the norm here. mmhmm. |
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| 02:08.43 | gnarface | abrotman: there's a problem where some of the etiquette guidelines here (since its a fairly high-traffic channel) conflict with etiquette guidelines in even other #debian-* channels |
| 02:08.49 | peterrooney | I think of like soft and hard quotas |
| 02:09.09 | robotdevil | actually all debian based channels are quite pc/friendly and not overly offensive |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | gnarface: i can't help his dementia :) |
| 02:09.25 | gnarface | i know, but i have been lambasted for prefixing replies to people's nicks in #debian-arm for example |
| 02:09.27 | nsadmin | the factoid saying 2 lines states so in a hard-limit manner |
| 02:09.43 | robotdevil | its hard to keep it that way when having a bad time with something thou :) |
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| 02:10.00 | abrotman | nsadmin: does dpkg say that you will be kicked for pasting more than two lines? |
| 02:10.44 | nsadmin | abrotman, doesn't matter. consistant documentation is what is needed, so (again) fix it |
| 02:11.04 | nsadmin | and, yes it does, in one of the factoids |
| 02:11.13 | abrotman | it does? |
| 02:11.20 | nsadmin | absolutely. |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | find it |
| 02:11.37 | nsadmin | not my responsibility |
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| 02:11.38 | abrotman | then quit whining |
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| 02:12.11 | Devastator | this will not end well, as all pointless discussions |
| 02:12.13 | robotdevil | also that is hard to tell depending on client, screen resolution, etc... I think as long as it isnt enough to fill someone with 1024x760 whole screen it should be allowed |
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| 02:12.28 | abrotman | robotdevil: your font could be 3pt :) |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | or 48pt! |
| 02:12.43 | robotdevil | lol |
| 02:13.48 | nsadmin | no, it won't. both abrotman and themill have a very strong tendency to use sarcasm (defd: use of irony to convey contempt). I'm not appreciating it; I'm working on a written response. |
| 02:13.48 | robotdevil | 768* |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | nsadmin: you're telling me the bot says it, i'm asking you to find it .. you're not willing to do so |
| 02:14.30 | peterrooney | dpkg, paste |
| 02:14.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | peterrooney: that does NOT say we will kick you for pasting more than two lines |
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| 02:15.21 | nsadmin | shows inconsistancy. |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | if you say so .. you're always right |
| 02:16.32 | peterrooney | abrotman: no, it does not. BUT, if someone is kicked by debhelper, they're explicitly told "use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste" |
| 02:17.00 | nsadmin | that form of kick is not necessarily hurtful |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | but they're not kicked til they reach four lines .. |
| 02:17.15 | robotdevil | yea, torrent finished,vm here I come. thanks to who all helped me |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | so if they look at the bot, which says 2, they've already exceeded that |
| 02:17.30 | peterrooney | so, say they've posted six lines. IF they dilligently research the question, they will now think the limit is three lines |
| 02:17.30 | nsadmin | robotdevil, have a good time! |
| 02:17.46 | robotdevil | thanks |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | peterrooney: and in which case, they won't be kicked again .. yay |
| 02:18.02 | nsadmin | that would be more diligence than the oresentation |
| 02:18.16 | peterrooney | hence why I say (and nsadmin concurs) that the documentation is incorrect. |
| 02:18.54 | abrotman | netiquette is no more than two lines .. the bot kicks at four lines .. i don't see why it's difficult |
| 02:18.56 | nsadmin | 3 lines? the average? |
| 02:19.10 | abrotman | well, bot kicks > 4 lines |
| 02:19.38 | peterrooney | abrotman: I'm not saying you're wrong about the netiquette, but it's a convention I have never encountered before this channel. |
| 02:19.51 | nsadmin | netiquette is also inconsistant and vague... many channels create specific, clear rules |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:20.03 | nsadmin | else the ops do what thefuck they waht |
| 02:20.13 | abrotman | cause you never do ... |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | prefers if it's more than one line, they paste it .. but to each their own |
| 02:21.05 | nsadmin | me never create specific, clear rules? I'm not in any way in charge here |
| 02:21.08 | robotdevil | ext3 by default still... |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | nsadmin: you believe you are |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | robotdevil: on squeeze, yes |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | robotdevil: would you prefer ext4 ? |
| 02:21.39 | robotdevil | ok |
| 02:21.52 | robotdevil | doesnt matter just surprised |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | robotdevil: if it's for a basic workstation, ext3 will be fine |
| 02:21.59 | peterrooney | has been asked to rescue ext4 systems |
| 02:22.03 | nsadmin | abrotman, oh? now you can read minds? |
| 02:22.06 | robotdevil | right |
| 02:22.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: now who is being sarcastic? :) |
| 02:22.36 | nsadmin | it's not sarcasm since it's not meant to convey contempt |
| 02:22.49 | abrotman | haha .. |
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| 02:23.06 | abrotman | robotdevil: you also have to remember that squeeze froze about two years ago |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | robotdevil: maybe 20 months |
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| 02:24.48 | robotdevil | abrotman: so what is the name of newest? |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | nsadmin: you have nothing but contempt for themill and myself .. you've made it very clear how much you dislike us |
| 02:25.19 | nsadmin | comments like: "* abrotman wonders why he even pretends to have conversations with nsadmin" are. |
| 02:25.20 | abrotman | robotdevil: squeeze is the newest stable release .. if you want stable, that's what you use |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: that was 100% serious .. |
| 02:25.44 | robotdevil | abrotman: and if I wanna check out latest and greatest |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | no sarcasm, no contempt .. i just don't understand why i try anymore |
| 02:26.00 | robotdevil | abrotman: or latest....lol |
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| 02:26.10 | abrotman | robotdevil: well, you'd start with wheezy, which has its lumps and warts |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | robotdevil: and if that's not awful enough for you, we have unstable .. which can eat your data |
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| 02:27.53 | nsadmin | and can otherwise be intensely unstable, both performancewise and in terms of your packaging database |
| 02:28.05 | robotdevil | ok, so wheezy has been in dev for 15 months or so, I just wanna check in vm for now anyway. |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | thinks Justin Bieber has better things to do than troll IRC .. |
| 02:28.23 | nsadmin | but it's true... it's openly available |
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| 02:28.32 | abrotman | robotdevil: sure, give it a whirl |
| 02:29.57 | robotdevil | what would I dl if I dont wanna put stress or mirrors or any http servers and get graphical desktop and stand utilities, since I dl from torrent |
| 02:30.03 | robotdevil | on* |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | robotdevil: to what? try wheezy? or for your main system ? |
| 02:31.37 | robotdevil | try wheezy, because I am doing the stable disk one and it is about 20 mins worth of dl updates/packages that I could just get off a torrent disc download |
| 02:31.44 | sideup66 | made the change....nope.jpgt |
| 02:31.51 | sideup66 | didnt work |
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| 02:32.20 | abrotman | robotdevil: if you have a stable installer, you can use that to install it, then do the dist-upgrade to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 02:32.29 | nsadmin | robotdevil, you may be better off installing a clean base-only squeeze, back it up to an image then upgrade |
| 02:32.51 | nsadmin | the wheezy netinstalls tend to be somewhat buggy |
| 02:32.57 | sideup66 | abrotman: still gives me the error |
| 02:33.09 | robotdevil | well I wanted to keep separate to compare |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | sideup66: did you restart win7? |
| 02:33.27 | sideup66 | abrotman: yes i did |
| 02:33.47 | nsadmin | robotdevil, compare how? |
| 02:33.47 | robotdevil | also I can I install two systems at once in vbox? |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | sideup66: that document was pretty much what I did .. |
| 02:33.54 | abrotman | robotdevil: yes .. |
| 02:34.02 | nsadmin | sure, maybe even at the same time |
| 02:34.04 | robotdevil | login to one and then log other lol |
| 02:34.10 | abrotman | sideup66: i did the secpol change, the registry change .. rebooted, it would work |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | sideup66: what is the error in your samba logs? |
| 02:34.28 | robotdevil | nsadmin: yes I mean similantiously |
| 02:34.29 | sideup66 | abrotman: let me reboot and secpol change? and registry change? |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | robotdevil: you can run both at the same time |
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| 02:34.45 | abrotman | sideup66: in the URL I gave you about an hour ago ? |
| 02:34.49 | sideup66 | the security thing is listed in your article but not registry changes... |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | checks agian |
| 02:35.08 | sideup66 | wait nevermind |
| 02:35.09 | nsadmin | robotdevil, yes, I understood that, I'm saying it's possible to install them simultaneously |
| 02:35.13 | sideup66 | doh i overlooked the bottom :3 |
| 02:35.27 | sideup66 | *sideup66 pounds head on keyboard |
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| 02:35.35 | nsadmin | jklsfaljsaf |
| 02:35.37 | robotdevil | so if I downloaded the dvd via torrent it would be overkill but wouldnt bog down servers? |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | sideup66: yeah .. that's kind of the important part :) |
| 02:35.54 | robotdevil | lok |
| 02:35.58 | sideup66 | oops |
| 02:36.10 | iateadonut | i've got a debian VPS - mysql won't start on it, but it's not giving me an error message, just Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 02:36.10 | abrotman | robotdevil: not really, it bogs down people who are seeding it |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | robotdevil: but if you're using vbox .. you could probably use the netinst |
| 02:36.20 | sideup66 | applying, normally i wrangle windows well i just dont understand why they couldnt put a simple if statment to allow it to work the old way when needed |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | sideup66: well, for all the flak they get for ignoring security ... |
| 02:37.04 | sideup66 | abrotman: true they did step up to the plate since vista |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | iateadonut: nothing in the logs? |
| 02:37.14 | sideup66 | that is one thing they actually did right |
| 02:37.25 | robotdevil | abrotman: ok |
| 02:37.30 | sideup66 | actually 7 in general is well done, 8 right back to atrositices |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | just like star trek, avoid every other one :) |
| 02:38.08 | sideup66 | good point |
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| 02:39.45 | sideup66 | doesnt say what to make the new key tho abrotman |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | sideup66: let me look |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | sideup66: sure it does |
| 02:40.15 | sideup66 | abrotman: ok it tells me but i mean the key type |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | sideup66: you mean which type? DWORD IIRC |
| 02:40.26 | sideup66 | yup |
| 02:40.29 | sideup66 | oh that works |
| 02:40.39 | abrotman | see, i'm useful sometimes! |
| 02:41.02 | sideup66 | abrotman: thats the key word [I]somtimes[/i] |
| 02:41.07 | sideup66 | :p |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | apparently |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | I'm a horrible person. |
| 02:41.23 | iateadonut | /var/log/mysql.err - nothing here |
| 02:41.47 | iateadonut | should it be somewhere else? |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | iateadonut: put a "set -x" on the second line of the mysql-server init script, try again |
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| 02:43.13 | nsadmin | abrotman, maybe not... you just don't relent which makes it very difficult to relate to you |
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| 02:43.36 | abrotman | wants nsadmin as his long lost brother, to relate :) |
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| 02:44.04 | abrotman | iateadonut: get more info ? |
| 02:44.16 | nsadmin | I'll buy THAT for a dollar... |
| 02:44.51 | sideup66 | reboot time, cross your fingers |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | iateadonut: you can also look in /var/log/messages and possibly syslog |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | sideup66: yeah, cause if oyu messed up, no more win7 :) |
| 02:45.29 | sideup66 | abrotman: its gotta be my daily driver, im in school and i kinda need my box working :p |
| 02:45.44 | sideup66 | abrotman: it does make me happy for a server, no more babysitting it :D |
| 02:45.46 | abrotman | sideup66: well, i hope you followed those instructions well |
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| 02:45.53 | HellTiger | hi |
| 02:46.04 | sideup66 | abrotman: im testing in a vm anyways to see if i bloked it i dont have to worry |
| 02:46.06 | HellTiger | what was the reason to take webmin out of repo? |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | sideup66: you know, it always says to backup that stuff because one wrong keystroke makes it go BAM |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | HellTiger: it was removed a very long time ago |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | HellTiger: insecure, and poor practice |
| 02:46.34 | sideup66 | abrotman: 7 loaded :p |
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| 02:46.39 | abrotman | drat! |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | htought we might have another linux install coming |
| 02:46.46 | HellTiger | any special reasons? i wana install webmin and froxlor to speed things up |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | HellTiger: i just told you why ... |
| 02:47.00 | HellTiger | ah |
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| 02:47.30 | abrotman | HellTiger: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-1937 .. that's not so awesome when your server runs that and it can have root access |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | HellTiger: that's one CVE .. there are others too |
| 02:48.49 | HellTiger | just found SysCP, but its www related |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | sideup66: any luck? |
| 02:49.01 | HellTiger | thanks |
| 02:49.09 | sideup66 | abrotman: nope |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | iateadonut: more info? nothing? eggs? |
| 02:49.15 | abrotman | sideup66: same error? |
| 02:49.24 | sideup66 | yup username/password incorrect... |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | HellTiger: there is a package called DTC in Debian, not quite the same |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | sideup66: same error ? |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | sideup66: in the logs i mean |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | sideup66: i used that same method in that URl numerous times .. |
| 02:50.42 | sideup66 | abrotman: i know, nomally that cracks it |
| 02:50.53 | sideup66 | i can pull samba logs, in var/logs/samba right |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | sideup66: oh wait, i only made the first set of registry entries, not the second |
| 02:51.08 | iateadonut | thanks. got side tracked for a second. looking now. |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | sideup66: but they do say it should help make it work |
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| 02:51.27 | sideup66 | abrotman: let me look i think the log was different |
| 02:51.33 | sideup66 | in samba i mean |
| 02:51.35 | sideup66 | not the machine |
| 02:51.44 | abrotman | it's big, it's heavy, it's wood |
| 02:52.33 | sideup66 | a big stick? |
| 02:52.35 | sideup66 | a gun? |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | it's from a cartoon from the 90s |
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| 02:54.06 | sideup66 | abrotman: should i post the log for that machine in the pastebin thingy? |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | you can try .. samba logs aren't always that helpful to the casual samba admin |
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| 02:55.09 | iateadonut | i never dreamed i'd see the day... |
| 02:55.14 | sideup66 | hmm ok |
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| 02:55.30 | abrotman | iateadonut: you found eggs? |
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| 02:56.38 | iateadonut | the day that someone didn't get the reference "it's big, it's heavy, it's wood" |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | yeah well .. |
| 02:58.15 | sideup66 | abrotman: going through guide again trying to see if i missed a step |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:59.11 | iateadonut | and to explain it, you'd say "a 90's cartoon" |
| 02:59.19 | iateadonut | it says can't connect to socket. |
| 02:59.31 | iateadonut | strange, someone was in #mysql with the same problem today. |
| 03:00.09 | iateadonut | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '\''/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'\'' exists!\n' |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | iateadonut: if i say Ren&Stimpy, a cartoona bout a cat and and chiauaua .. it still won't make sense :) |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | iateadonut: check the directory permissions |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | iateadonut: make sure mysql isn't running, remove that file ? |
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| 03:01.59 | abrotman | retires, leaves nsadmin to run the joint :) |
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| 03:03.06 | sideup66 | abrotman: if by some chance the smbusers file is corrupt would noone be able to connect |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | sideup66: sonuds reasonable |
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| 03:03.40 | sideup66 | abrotman: that doesnt sound right when xp can connect tho |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | sideup66: good luck ... |
| 03:03.50 | iateadonut | ok. i'm running security updates now. strange that i would see that same issue today in #mysql |
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| 03:04.02 | abrotman | sideup66: double check those steps .. especially the secpol |
| 03:04.04 | iateadonut | wish i had paid attentionn to how it wrapped up |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | really goes |
| 03:04.09 | iateadonut | bye |
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| 03:05.21 | spacedust | where does cron log output if i dont have a MAILTO set ? |
| 03:06.01 | phorce1 | spacedust: generally to your syslogd |
| 03:06.09 | HellTiger | can some one suggest a multiply cloud storage tool without gui? |
| 03:06.13 | sideup66 | abrotman: nope |
| 03:06.40 | sideup66 | abrotman: doesnt seem to work |
| 03:06.56 | robotdevil | sob I wanted kde not gnome 3 |
| 03:06.56 | jwilliams | anyone uses indexer.vim plugin? |
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| 03:07.13 | robotdevil | soab* |
| 03:07.20 | spacedust | phorce1: and if it doesnt logs it there ? |
| 03:07.39 | spacedust | phorce1: i have a script running in cron which echos something but i dont see it anywhere |
| 03:07.48 | phorce1 | spacedust: /dev/nul probably |
| 03:09.24 | spacedust | phorce1: and how do i tell it to log somewhere , with >> ? |
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| 03:11.07 | robotdevil | if I install kde on a gnome already system, does it add all the binaries in both WM menus? |
| 03:12.04 | phorce1 | spacedust: either have your script create it's own log file when it does something or set up syslog.conf to capture more info from cron (BTW, 'echo' inside a cron script will have no tty assigned so you'll never see it) |
| 03:12.34 | hemimaniac | spacedust 'command' > /path/to/output.file |
| 03:12.46 | hemimaniac | less quotes sorry |
| 03:13.31 | hemimaniac | or >> if ya want to append it instead of make a new one each time |
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| 03:24.00 | LittleFoot | hi |
| 03:24.08 | LittleFoot | how do i restart debian to the bios |
| 03:24.23 | LittleFoot | y does debian restart the os only |
| 03:24.43 | nsadmin | actually that is what it does |
| 03:25.01 | nsadmin | do you get to grub? |
| 03:25.09 | LittleFoot | everytime i press restart i never see grub |
| 03:25.35 | nsadmin | hmm. ok, are you using a gui? |
| 03:25.46 | LittleFoot | yes |
| 03:25.55 | LittleFoot | u mean gdm3 |
| 03:26.19 | nsadmin | so you see a graphical login right now? |
| 03:26.30 | LittleFoot | yes |
| 03:26.34 | nsadmin | where you would put your name n pw? |
| 03:26.39 | LittleFoot | yes |
| 03:27.32 | nsadmin | ok, you can do ctrl-alt-F1, and you'll get to one of the text consoles... from there, ctrl-alt-del should reboot |
| 03:27.51 | nsadmin | that's what you want right? |
| 03:28.16 | nsadmin | reboot once, this time? |
| 03:29.01 | LittleFoot | how do i set my restart button to do hard restart |
| 03:29.33 | nsadmin | ok, so you want the previous behavior, which I presently don't know how to get |
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| 03:31.23 | LittleFoot | same thing |
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| 03:31.30 | LittleFoot | it doesnt do hard restart |
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| 03:36.34 | supsec | i have a linux vmdk truecrypted drive, how can i see the data in the windows host (i have the password of course) |
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| 03:38.24 | hemimaniac | nsadmin if he comes back and is interested Click on the top right corner (user name) and press Alt. Now you can see that Suspend option has been changed to Power Off
When you click on this Power Off, it gives you the option of Cancel, Restart and Power Off. |
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| 03:45.53 | sideup66 | welll update if anyone is still here |
| 03:46.18 | sideup66 | it looks like if i type the password into the win7 password field the system is suddenly happy but copy/paste fails? :/ how does that work |
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| 03:59.41 | supsec | i tried to install squeeze on vmware enabling the GUI option, but after installation and when i tried to reboot, it goes into a loop of resizing the vmware window between two sizes |
| 03:59.43 | supsec | any tip s? |
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| 04:18.36 | nsadmin | iateadonut, just ran into that yesterday... I installed mysql, it installed... stuff... turned out... didn't install mysql-server |
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| 04:22.14 | iateadonut | i saw someone run into that earlier today, too. |
| 04:22.20 | iateadonut | was it you? did you ask in #mysql at first? |
| 04:22.29 | iateadonut | i don't understand why it all of a sudden doesn't work. |
| 04:25.03 | nsadmin | no, just here |
| 04:25.14 | iateadonut | (it's been working for at least a year. |
| 04:25.18 | iateadonut | just all of a sudden stopped |
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| 04:25.29 | iateadonut | so you're the third person to encounter the problem in 2 days. |
| 04:25.32 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure that in my case it was operator error: I juat hadn't installed the server yet |
| 04:25.36 | iateadonut | oh |
| 04:26.00 | nsadmin | and until I looked into it, I didn't realize that |
| 04:26.52 | nsadmin | and I kept going, "oh man, mysql is full of shit, blah blah" (mostly to myself) until I realized... |
| 04:28.14 | nsadmin | mainly I installed mysql (and, later, its server) as well as phpmyadmin to try and help this one guy who's been having trouble with it for like 3 days |
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| 04:31.02 | nsadmin | more of the story... when I installed phpmyadmin, it pulled in also mysql client libs and maybe the simple clients (like mysql itself) |
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| 04:34.10 | nsadmin | and phpmyadmin kept asking for the root mysql password, and I kept scratching my head, and going "wait, what's the password? what's the default?". I kept trying to connect, it kept saying it couldn't (and I didn't understand why it was not saying "bad password") |
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| 04:35.00 | nsadmin | I looked more closely, it said the socket was not present... why would the socket not be there? answer: server not installed. |
| 04:35.41 | nsadmin | that's my story... what I hear YOU saying is you could connect to mysql but then the socket disappeared |
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| 04:39.13 | finch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:39.54 | finch | pardon |
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| 04:40.41 | nsadmin | iateadonut, did I get that part right? |
| 04:40.52 | nsadmin | finch, no worries |
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| 04:42.23 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 04:42.34 | thepro4ever | anyone know a multiplayer chess game i can install? |
| 04:42.40 | iateadonut | mysql-server is definitely installed |
| 04:42.43 | nsadmin | xboard? |
| 04:43.05 | nsadmin | wait, you only need two-player chess :) |
| 04:43.34 | nsadmin | there is a chess net |
| 04:43.36 | thepro4ever | nsadmin: i want to be able to start it up and get matches with other people |
| 04:43.55 | nsadmin | thereis (or was) a net for that |
| 04:45.17 | nsadmin | there's gnu chess which is a backend opponent which learns, there's xboard which is an X app that can connect to this net and can be a front end for gnu chess |
| 04:45.39 | nsadmin | , versions xboard |
| 04:45.40 | judd | Package: xboard on i386 -- lenny: 4.2.7-7.1; squeeze: 4.4.3-1; sid: 4.6.2-1; wheezy: 4.6.2-1 |
| 04:46.09 | nsadmin | , versions gmu-chess |
| 04:46.10 | judd | No package named 'gmu-chess' was found in i386. |
| 04:46.16 | nsadmin | , versions gnu-chess |
| 04:46.17 | judd | No package named 'gnu-chess' was found in i386. |
| 04:46.20 | nsadmin | , versions gnuchess |
| 04:46.21 | judd | Package: gnuchess on i386 -- lenny: 5.07-4.1; squeeze: 5.07-7; sid: 6.0.2-1; wheezy: 6.0.2-1 |
| 04:46.47 | nsadmin | start with one or both of those... |
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| 04:48.08 | nsadmin | xboard. NAME . xboard - X user interface for GNU Chess, Crafty, the Internet Chess Server (ICS), and electronic mail correspondence chess. SYNOPSIS www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/xboard/xboard.man.html - Cached |
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| 04:48.32 | nsadmin | from searching web with terms: xboard chess net |
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| 04:52.09 | nsadmin | thepro4ever, check some of that stuff out... you might want to use xboard to connect to ICS |
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| 04:53.30 | thepro4ever | i installed xboard and not i'm trying to figure out how to connect to some kind of chess server |
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| 04:54.22 | engla | something like xboard -ics -icshost freechess.org |
| 04:54.22 | nsadmin | http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/xboard/xboard.man.html |
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| 04:56.47 | iateadonut | ok got it. |
| 04:56.49 | iateadonut | good night |
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| 05:34.22 | g4mbit | good morning. maybe i'm kinda blind, but how to add another email-acount in evolution? |
| 05:34.40 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 05:35.08 | g4mbit | :P |
| 05:35.12 | nsadmin | is your present email acct associated with a user on the system? |
| 05:35.16 | g4mbit | no |
| 05:35.44 | nsadmin | ok, how did you add that one? |
| 05:35.51 | cobra-the-joker | i dont use evolution myself ... thunderbird does it for me |
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| 05:36.07 | cobra-the-joker | nsadmin, theres a wizard at the start of the first run |
| 05:36.08 | g4mbit | nsadmin i just used the assistant at the first launch :D |
| 05:36.14 | g4mbit | *wizard |
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| 05:36.50 | nsadmin | so this wizard can only be invoked the first time? |
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| 05:37.17 | g4mbit | yea |
| 05:37.25 | nsadmin | and if that's the case, good chance it won't add, it would replace |
| 05:38.22 | nsadmin | so one way you could do it, is make a new user, log in and run evolution... for the first time... again... |
| 05:38.43 | g4mbit | hmpf... |
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| 05:39.33 | nsadmin | it's the only I can think of that would definitely work. and like you I do suspect there's another way |
| 05:40.33 | g4mbit | hmm allright, i'll try t figure it out, otherwaya |
| 05:40.39 | g4mbit | i just install thunderbird |
| 05:41.10 | nsadmin | I was thinking of installing evolution |
| 05:41.16 | nsadmin | 83 mb |
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| 05:42.44 | g4mbit | hm.. maybe i try mutt |
| 05:42.54 | cedr | mutt's nice |
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| 05:43.29 | g4mbit | i like the idea having mutt on my netbook on ALT-F4 :> |
| 05:43.58 | g4mbit | holy damn thats what i call configfile |
| 05:44.22 | Blue1 | ha |
| 05:44.51 | Blue1 | what is the successor to pine? alpine? mutt was too hard for me. |
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| 05:47.59 | g4mbit | lol |
| 05:48.02 | g4mbit | i found it |
| 05:48.10 | jelly | Blue1: yes |
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| 05:48.13 | g4mbit | "Edit > Settings" |
| 05:48.18 | g4mbit | "Add account" |
| 05:48.20 | g4mbit | lool |
| 05:48.24 | g4mbit | i need coffee |
| 05:48.36 | Blue1 | g4mbit: add donuts and you could be a cop |
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| 05:49.45 | g4mbit | hrhr |
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| 06:09.07 | gyaresu_iphone | A little help on sftp permission problem? http://serverfault.com/questions/393826/is-there-no-way-to-preserve-permissions-on-sftp |
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| 06:18.50 | nsadmin | gyaresu_iphone, transfer in a tarball |
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| 06:20.42 | gyaresu_iphone | nsadmin: Yep, i'm trying to not have to give instructions to the person with access. I know I could just run a chmod'ing cron script but getting openssh to do it would be optimal |
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| 06:22.48 | cantido | gyaresu_iphone: if you have ssh access.. change the permissions yourself? |
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| 06:23.54 | gyaresu_iphone | cantido: This is the apache files directly. I have a user that will edit files in that directory but they need to stay group writable. This cant be a manual option |
| 06:25.00 | gyaresu_iphone | The web dev user has phpmyadmin and sftp that way and I don't need to give him shell. |
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| 06:29.13 | cantido | you could use ACL's to override the normal unix permissions so that they dont matter .. |
| 06:29.35 | gnarface | yea or you could just use setguid the way it was meant to be used... |
| 06:29.47 | gnarface | instead of vastly overcomplicating it in one of 1000 ways |
| 06:29.52 | gnarface | wtf is wrong with you people? |
| 06:29.53 | gnarface | cron job |
| 06:29.54 | gnarface | fuck |
| 06:30.08 | gnarface | read the chmod man page |
| 06:30.30 | gnarface | don't even get me started on acl's |
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| 06:30.49 | cantido | no need to be rude :p |
| 06:30.56 | gnarface | *sigh* you're right sorry |
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| 06:32.26 | gnarface | basic idea is you set guid (chmod g+s on the parent directory) then add that user to the group in question and change their umask to a relevant looseness and bam, everything just magically works, even if that's not the user's primary group |
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| 06:32.51 | gnarface | downside: requires per-user umask config |
| 06:32.59 | gyaresu_iphone | gnarface: Wow it must be amazing being as awesome as you. I mean, I might read all the documentation and research online to still not find the correct way of doing it but it's still not enough to win your love |
| 06:33.00 | gnarface | upside: requires no non-stock bullshit |
| 06:33.14 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: well you and my mother both |
| 06:33.34 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: so read specifically on 1) umask, 2) "chmod g+s" |
| 06:33.42 | cantido | has never needed to use this guid thing.. :) |
| 06:33.53 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: do you at least understand how users and groups work normally? you'll need to know that too |
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| 06:34.07 | gyaresu_iphone | Cant set users umask via sftp |
| 06:34.33 | gyaresu_iphone | gnarface: Yeah, I've been doing this a while |
| 06:34.35 | gnarface | hmm. you're using openssh's native chrooted sftp only setup? |
| 06:34.40 | gyaresu_iphone | Yep |
| 06:35.07 | gyaresu_iphone | And for a chroot the owner group needs to be root |
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| 06:35.40 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: well, by adding the user to the root group you're ... pretty much giving them too much acess |
| 06:35.49 | gnarface | but as for not being able to set umask for sftp |
| 06:35.56 | gnarface | what about like "Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server -u 022" |
| 06:36.01 | gnarface | or 0002 or whatever |
| 06:36.01 | gnarface | > |
| 06:36.02 | gyaresu_iphone | So all the sub domains of that can be as you say with g+s but sftp doesn't frigging adhere to copied files/folders |
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| 06:36.20 | gnarface | well sftp may not adhere to ~/.bashrc ... but you can still give it a default umask |
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| 06:36.46 | gyaresu_iphone | gnarface: How about you read the stack exchange question I posted before going off like an ADD teenager? |
| 06:37.04 | gyaresu_iphone | Yes I changed the subsystem |
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| 06:37.49 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: debian version please? |
| 06:38.02 | gyaresu_iphone | 6.05 |
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| 06:40.57 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: read this? http://serverfault.com/questions/271833/set-default-umask-for-everything-in-debian-squeese-included-sftp |
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| 06:42.25 | dmwit | Just installed Debian Sid. It is officially amazing. |
| 06:43.07 | jelly | dmwit: just wait until the packaging system breaks under your feet for the first time |
| 06:43.24 | gyaresu_iphone | gnarface: Awesome. That might work. Thank you for your kind assistance. |
| 06:43.44 | gnarface | gyaresu_iphone: good luck |
| 06:44.10 | dmwit | Only one real question: how do I configure what actions happen when I slam my mouse into the corners? |
| 06:44.25 | dmwit | (I think I'm using Gnome Shell, but I can't find any knobs for it anywhere.) |
| 06:44.43 | peterrooney | dmwit: #debian-next on oftc, IIRC |
| 06:45.13 | dmwit | Oh, is this channel for squeeze only? |
| 06:45.15 | peterrooney | irc.oftc.net, i mean |
| 06:45.21 | balancer | hi |
| 06:45.29 | dmwit | Okay, sorry. |
| 06:45.31 | peterrooney | dpkg, debian-next |
| 06:45.32 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 06:45.33 | balancer | i have here a box, where i bootet the rootfs over nfs |
| 06:45.51 | peterrooney | dmwit: it's ok. you'll probably get better help there |
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| 06:46.02 | balancer | but i cant install anything, cause i allways get tar: ./md5sums: Cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: Operation not permitted |
| 06:46.04 | balancer | any idea? |
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| 06:46.54 | peterrooney | balancer: rootsquash |
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| 06:47.22 | balancer | i did chown -R nobody:nogroup to the nfs share |
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| 06:49.16 | peterrooney | balancer: the most common setup for nfs is, root gets mapped to nobody |
| 06:50.01 | balancer | drwxrwxrwx 21 nobody nogroup 4096 Mai 29 22:38 nfs |
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| 06:52.47 | peterrooney | balancer: you'd have to set `no_root_squash' option on the nfs server - but don't do this. It is a giant security hole if set. |
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| 06:53.28 | balancer | in the share or is it global? |
| 06:54.21 | balancer | where to enable this? |
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| 06:58.11 | balancer | thx now it seems to work |
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| 07:04.06 | ratatata | nu |
| 07:04.13 | peterrooney | worries he may have done something evil there |
| 07:04.33 | balancer | peterrooney it is just a temporary solution |
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| 07:17.00 | at0m | hi, aptitude fails to upgrade mysql-server from 5.1 to 5.5. aptitude output at http://pastebin.com/YVi23A1y |
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| 07:17.55 | at0m | iirc the first error it gave was (/usr/bin/?)mysql not found. i assume that's cos 5.1 has been removed and 5.5 isnt there yet |
| 07:18.25 | at0m | output pasted is from aptitude -f install |
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| 07:19.04 | at0m | anyone have an idea on how to fix that? |
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| 07:42.18 | jelly-hme | at0m: can you show the complete output and the command line? Also, |
| 07:42.20 | jelly-hme | !bat |
| 07:42.20 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 08:07.29 | kelkoobenoitr | hello i have debian squeeze server, where i connect via ssh -X |
| 08:07.45 | kelkoobenoitr | running glxinfo gives: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
| 08:07.57 | at0m | jelly-hme: http://paste.debian.net/171879/ |
| 08:08.21 | kelkoobenoitr | i also have the same hardware server running another distrib (centos 5) where glxinfo works |
| 08:08.40 | kelkoobenoitr | what am i supposed to do on squeeze to have glx works ? |
| 08:08.47 | lapsusbrutus | kelkoobenoitr: you connect like this: ssh -X user@serversipaddress |
| 08:08.49 | kelkoobenoitr | when doing ssh -X |
| 08:08.51 | kelkoobenoitr | yep |
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| 08:10.44 | kelkoobenoitr | i have installed libgl1-mesa-glx and some others mesa drivers, but if i got it right, this is only used when i try to use glx locally (like via vnc) |
| 08:12.16 | kelkoobenoitr | or xdmcp |
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| 08:14.18 | kelkoobenoitr | by the way if i connect to the machine via xdmcp glxinfo does work |
| 08:14.29 | kelkoobenoitr | it is only via ssh -X that it fails |
| 08:14.50 | jelly-hme | at0m: grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log might reveal a reason why starting mysqld failed |
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| 08:18.43 | kelkoobenoitr | ah using LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=yes seems to make it work |
| 08:19.18 | kelkoobenoitr | does someone know why we need to use this ? |
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| 08:31.09 | __gilles | hi |
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| 08:33.13 | at0m | jelly-hme: grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log > err.log resulted in 1.5MB err.log, complaining about innodb. tried solution adapted from http://help-php.com/mysql-error-innodb, moving and copying back innodb files. then saw mysqld was still running, killed the process and aptitude -f install completed ok now. glad this is sorted. not 100% sure on what did it though |
| 08:34.03 | at0m | jelly-hme: thanks for the help and heads-up. much depends on that mysqld :) |
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| 08:36.41 | jelly-hme | at0m: it's likely the stop action of the init script did not stop the old version running |
| 08:36.50 | jelly-hme | many init scripts are buggy that way |
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| 08:39.23 | at0m | jelly-hme: yes, that would reflect the first error the upgrade returned. i suspect the mysql binary was removed then the script failed to stop the old version cos it wasnt found |
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| 08:39.50 | at0m | *cos the binary wasnt found |
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| 08:52.46 | hepper | anyone using vuurmuur on squeeze? |
| 08:53.18 | at0m | hepper: probably. what's your question? |
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| 08:53.52 | hepper | I cant't get logging to work in the vuurmuur_conf screen |
| 08:54.24 | hepper | I don't see any rules but vuurmuur is started and is actually applying the rules I entered |
| 08:54.35 | hepper | I don't see any logs* |
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| 08:56.24 | se7en1 | morning |
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| 09:03.28 | yang_ | there is no recaptcha package for apache ? |
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| 09:09.44 | Iridos | now wmctrl still shows it but can't bring it up and focus it... instead a different window appears |
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| 09:29.50 | A-B | hello? Can somebody give me some advise - I have some problem with package management |
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| 09:30.05 | ksk | ask a question? |
| 09:30.21 | babilen | A-B: Sure -- Please ask a question and see "/msg dpkg bat" for an overview of the information we might need to help you. |
| 09:30.50 | A-B | ok will look into then provide details |
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| 09:38.20 | A-B | ok, stuff's ready, paste 56 lines (shell dialog, dselect output)? |
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| 09:39.49 | A-B | My problem is, apt-get seems to assume all configuration files as changed and won't remove them: |
| 09:40.12 | A-B | root@rts24e:~# apt-get remove php5-curl |
| 09:40.14 | A-B | Reading package lists... Done |
| 09:40.15 | A-B | Building dependency tree |
| 09:40.16 | A-B | Reading state information... Done |
| 09:40.18 | A-B | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 09:40.19 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.21 | A-B | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 09:40.22 | A-B | After this operation, 123 kB disk space will be freed. |
| 09:40.24 | A-B | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
| 09:40.25 | A-B | (Reading database ... 20311 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 09:40.27 | A-B | Removing php5-curl ... |
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| 09:40.30 | A-B | Processing triggers for libapache2-mod-php5 ... |
| 09:40.31 | A-B | Reloading web server config: apache2. |
| 09:40.32 | A-B | root@rts24e:~# apt-cache policy php5-curl |
| 09:40.33 | A-B | php5-curl: |
| 09:40.34 | sevenfourk | :-) |
| 09:40.36 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.37 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.38 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.40 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.41 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.42 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.43 | Sm0ke0ut | pastebin.... |
| 09:40.44 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.45 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.47 | A-B | root@rts24e:~# ls -al /etc/php5/conf.d/curl.ini |
| 09:40.48 | A-B | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 54 May 8 12:56 conf.d/curl.ini |
| 09:40.50 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.51 | A-B | DSELECT: "--- Opt php php5-curl 5.3.3-7+squ 5.3.3-7+squ CURL module for php5" |
| 09:40.53 | A-B | *and* |
| 09:40.54 | Sm0ke0ut | seriously :-/ |
| 09:40.55 | A-B | php5-curl removed (configs remain) ; remove (was: remove). Optional |
| 09:40.56 | xand | A-B: /part immediately |
| 09:40.56 | A-B | Package: php5-curl |
| 09:40.57 | A-B | Status: deinstall ok config-files |
| 09:40.59 | A-B | Priority: optional |
| 09:41.00 | xand | idiot |
| 09:41.01 | A-B | Section: php |
| 09:41.02 | A-B | Installed-Size: 120 |
| 09:41.03 | A-B | Maintainer: Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 09:41.06 | A-B | Architecture: amd64 |
| 09:41.07 | A-B | Source: php5 |
| 09:41.09 | A-B | Version: 5.3.3-7+squeeze9 |
| 09:41.10 | A-B | Config-Version: 5.3.3-7+squeeze9 |
| 09:41.11 | A-B | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), phpapi-20090626, php5-common (= 5.3.3-7+squeeze9) |
| 09:41.12 | A-B | Conffiles: |
| 09:41.14 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.15 | A-B | Description: CURL module for php5 |
| 09:41.17 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.18 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:41.21 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.22 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.22 | xand | where's that stupid bot |
| 09:41.24 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.25 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.26 | A-B | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.27 | A-B | Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 09:41.29 | A-B | That seems to be true for every package |
| 09:41.30 | A-B | oops I see |
| 09:41.32 | A-B | sorry guys. I've asked, whether it's ok to paste 56 lines |
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| 09:41.57 | Sm0ke0ut | no one said yes |
| 09:41.59 | krux | and nobody answered but you still paste |
| 09:42.03 | krux | LOL |
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| 09:42.22 | Sm0ke0ut | also the topic states that you may not do that |
| 09:42.25 | Sevet | A-B: on irc it is NEVER ok to to paste 56 lines |
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| 09:42.49 | Sevet | add this to your bookmarks http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 09:42.53 | babilen | A-B: Did you read "/msg dpkg bat" ? Did you read the /topic? Please use http://paste.debian.net if you want to paste, say, more than 2 lines. |
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| 09:47.33 | A-B | again, sorry for overreading that sentence, here's the pastebin. Any technical comment on that would be appreciated - http://paste.debian.net/171892/ |
| 09:48.38 | themill | A-B: what's the actual problem? |
| 09:48.45 | Sm0ke0ut | what's the problem? because it states that the package is removed (in all methods) |
| 09:48.55 | babilen | A-B: I don't quite understand what you are asking. What is the actual problem? Are you surprised that the configuration haven't been removed as well? |
| 09:49.07 | A-B | All kinds of configuration files are always left behind, even if I haven't modified them |
| 09:49.07 | babilen | *configuration files |
| 09:49.18 | Sm0ke0ut | add --purge as paramenter |
| 09:49.47 | babilen | A-B: You want to purge packages and not remove them -- You can purge *all* removed packages by running "aptitude purge ~c" -- Please make sure that this is what you want. |
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| 09:51.32 | themill | A-B: you may want to read about the difference between purge and remove in dpkg(1) or apt-get(1) or /msg dpkg purge |
| 09:51.41 | babilen | A-B: I recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html#idp3873184 (or rather the complete chapter/book) and aptitude's and apt-get's manpages. |
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| 09:52.03 | A-B | Using purge does indeed remove them, right. The weirdness is, it seems to assume unchanged files are changed, which is very different from all my other systems. |
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| 09:53.23 | babilen | A-B: What exactly assumes that and how did you arrive at that conclusion? |
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| 09:56.07 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 09:56.13 | A-B | hmm, how did I get there... after testing a lot. As in the pasted shell session, I do "apt-get remove", and default, unchanged package provided config files are left behind, as to see in the "ls -al" line |
| 09:56.45 | A-B | line 24 is "ls -al" |
| 09:56.54 | babilen | A-B: If you remove a package its configuration files are *not* removed as well. |
| 09:57.37 | babilen | A-B: That is the how "remove" behaves and this is exactly the difference between "remove" and "purge" |
| 09:58.20 | A-B | am I chasing a phantom? I'm remembereing that a bit different, like removing a PHP module with apt-get remove does not leave me with warning ferom apache or the CLI |
| 09:58.41 | themill | "warning"? |
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| 09:59.42 | A-B | yes. The ini file contains some "include [file]" - where file is a shared object, which doesn't exist anymore, and so you a warning from the cli binary when you call php |
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| 10:00.39 | wuffi600 | is there support for reiserfs4 in squeeze oder wheezy? |
| 10:00.44 | A-B | (or somewhere in the apache context as well, I think on starting the service) |
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| 10:05.47 | jelly | wuffi600: Reiser4 seems to be quite orphaned. |
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| 10:07.37 | xand | wuffi600: you probably want to be using something like ext4 these days. |
| 10:07.48 | sunscreeen | hey i need a progy to mirror a site |
| 10:07.53 | sunscreeen | do not say WGET |
| 10:08.00 | nkuttler | sunscreeen: wget |
| 10:08.01 | sunscreeen | i need to be able to login |
| 10:08.07 | sunscreeen | :) |
| 10:08.08 | nkuttler | sunscreeen: wget can do that |
| 10:08.09 | xand | you can login with wget |
| 10:08.15 | sunscreeen | it will not it gets 503 |
| 10:08.30 | A-B | ok, thanks for checking back on my shell output. I've / you have convinced myself / me that this is usual/expected behavior |
| 10:08.37 | xand | I guess it depends how the website authenticates. |
| 10:08.44 | sunscreeen | its a form |
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| 10:08.45 | Sevet | A-B: the apache php module package would place a config file in /etc/apache2/mod-available and a symlink /etc/apache2/mod-enabled |
| 10:09.06 | ksk | if its "basic auth" wget can dew |
| 10:09.24 | nkuttler | wget can also login with cookies |
| 10:09.26 | Sevet | A-B: nevermind, was misreading what you were saying |
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| 10:09.38 | themill | sunscreeen: curl can submit stuff to forms and deal with complex cookies too. |
| 10:09.43 | Sevet | A-B: php modules have a similar under /etc/php/ |
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| 10:10.00 | sunscreeen | well i took the POST request and put it into post_file wget -m --post-file=post_file www.thesite.com |
| 10:10.36 | sunscreeen | hmm yes forgot about curl let me have a shot with that |
| 10:11.02 | A-B | Sevet, yes |
| 10:11.45 | A-B | sunscreen, you might want to have a look at httrack, perhaps |
| 10:12.01 | gnarface | sunscreeen: neither will parse javascript. its possible to hose your pirate ass with trivial javascript, however its more likely the issue has to do with the default browser ident string wget reports (which can be overridden, i'm pretty sure) |
| 10:12.26 | sunscreeen | kinda anoying that there is not just a software that knows how to login to a form and mirror the site for back up purposes what on earth is going on lol |
| 10:12.40 | themill | sunscreeen: I've found silly asp things in the past where you needed to set the user agent too because of braindead checks in the code and also feed curl some very large and hideous cookies. Exporting the cookies out of the iceweasel cookie jar and telling curl to use that export was the easiest approach |
| 10:12.49 | A-B | I've had issues with SSL and HTTP/1.0 cs. 1.1 protocol details using wget but that's a long time ago |
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| 10:12.53 | gnarface | sunscreeen: cookies are also likely to be a speedbump, but if i recall wget can be configured to report cookies manually... |
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| 10:13.00 | ksk | sunscreeen: do try httrack for mirroring a website |
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| 10:13.12 | sunscreeen | yeah i got httrack |
| 10:13.17 | themill | sunscreeen: when every single login form is different, it's impossible to make a generic application to login to a site. |
| 10:13.17 | sunscreeen | for windows |
| 10:13.49 | gnarface | sunscreeen: for whatever its worth (or probably not worth) in this type of scenario i usually just write some horrible javascript trash to do it in-browser |
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| 10:14.13 | nkuttler | sunscreeen: http://dpaste.com/753289/ |
| 10:15.01 | sunscreeen | hm let me have a go using that approach nkuttler |
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| 10:24.58 | sunscreeen | hm no joy ... well i guess Ill have to do it using some sort of firefox extention |
| 10:25.08 | sunscreeen | on windows ;( |
| 10:25.16 | sunscreeen | just trying to get it done on my server |
| 10:25.17 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to have ip-address based conditionals in PAM configuration files "/etc/pam.d/*"? |
| 10:25.39 | JyZyXEL | so that different ip-address ranges have different auth requirements |
| 10:26.48 | sunscreeen | thats sounds a little like radius's department |
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| 10:28.56 | vtts | JyZyXEL, for ssh? |
| 10:29.01 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 10:29.10 | vtts | you can do that in sshd.conf |
| 10:29.15 | vtts | not sure about pam |
| 10:29.29 | JyZyXEL | not with pam you can't |
| 10:30.05 | sunscreeen | im sure radius has pam stuff for authing |
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| 10:31.08 | vtts | JyZyXEL, e.g. Match Address a.b.c.d |
| 10:31.20 | vtts | in sshd_config |
| 10:31.28 | JyZyXEL | yeah but the match blocks don't handle PAM |
| 10:31.57 | vtts | what conditions are you talking about? |
| 10:32.18 | vtts | maybe you could give an example? |
| 10:32.21 | wuffi600 | xand: i noticed that there are packages about reiser4 in squeeze. i would like to use reiserfs4's transparent compression. |
| 10:32.32 | JyZyXEL | just Address condition |
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| 10:32.51 | JyZyXEL | but inside the block you cannot use UsePAM for example |
| 10:32.53 | wuffi600 | xand: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=reiser&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 10:34.41 | JyZyXEL | so theres no way to affect the PAM authentication with a Match block |
| 10:34.52 | vtts | JyZyXEL, understood |
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| 10:37.03 | JyZyXEL | there must be some way of doing ip-range based pam authentication |
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| 10:45.42 | JyZyXEL | i think the pam_access.so allows to define denied/allowed kind of permissions based on ip-address for SSH authentications |
| 10:47.24 | JyZyXEL | maybe if i set it to accept only local ip-addresses and then set it as "sufficient" with the other authentication stuff |
| 10:48.00 | xand | hmmm |
| 10:48.44 | JyZyXEL | so just having a local ip-address is suffiecent with the harder authentication module |
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| 10:50.40 | JyZyXEL | but then local ip-addresses didn't have any authentication |
| 10:51.54 | JyZyXEL | because i'd need a conditional to require standard unix auth from only local ip-addresses |
| 10:52.49 | JyZyXEL | and it shouldn't be asked from the other ip-addresses because they already would need to much more stronger authentication module |
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| 10:57.30 | Iridos | dammit, still can't get my window back |
| 10:57.40 | Iridos | perhaps if I restart the WM... risking to get logged out |
| 10:59.09 | Iridos | haha, that made me see it for a moment |
| 10:59.39 | Iridos | and I got a warning about exactly that window Window manager warning: Treating resize request of legacy application 0x4456766 (Cal) as a fullscreen request |
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| 11:00.53 | ddbb | hello |
| 11:01.29 | ddbb | how can I compile a vanilla kernel in squezze? it is 3.40 |
| 11:01.47 | ddbb | I tried before but I couldn t |
| 11:02.47 | Iridos | ha, \o/. It's a metacity problem, switching to another WM revealed a freakin huge window filling both monitors in fullscreen mode |
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| 11:03.13 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 11:03.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.17-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.15-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 11:04.12 | ddbb | I wanted compile 3.40 and optimice for my netbook |
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| 11:06.03 | Iridos | Why do that? There's 3.2 in backports |
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| 11:07.15 | ddbb | because I need 3.2.5 or upper |
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| 11:08.53 | AL13N_work | i have weird trouble with performance on KVM. it seems that allthough TOP reports constantly 25% usage, the virt-manager shows quite some spikes with 100% CPU usage |
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| 11:11.13 | Sevet | !tell ddbb about kernel-package |
| 11:11.21 | Iridos | too late |
| 11:11.27 | Sevet | damn :) |
| 11:12.11 | Iridos | anyway, as far as I see that's also to recompile the already packaged ones |
| 11:13.42 | ksk | theres a faq for about hot to read data line by line from file, and then awk yes, would do |
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| 11:20.03 | babilen | ,v linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 11:20.05 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2.15-1~bpo60+1 |
| 11:20.21 | jelly | old backport is old |
| 11:20.29 | Agiofws | hello |
| 11:20.41 | Agiofws | because is chrome is giving me a pain in th a... |
| 11:20.51 | Agiofws | i am getting this message in synaptic |
| 11:20.52 | babilen | jelly: Yeah, but 15 > 5 :) -- People seem to misunderstand the kernel naming scheme. |
| 11:20.55 | Agiofws | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-unstable/google-chrome-unstable_21.0.1145.0-r138079_i386.deb |
| 11:21.00 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.08 | Agiofws | what do i have to change ? |
| 11:21.11 | jelly | AL13N_work: would that be 25% of 4 cores, ie. 100% of a single core? |
| 11:21.16 | Agiofws | in aptsources ? |
| 11:21.47 | jelly | babilen: but 18 > 15, and 3.2.18 has fixes for... things |
| 11:21.51 | Iridos | actually that got me confused myself... I thought it's 3.2.0, patchlevel 15? |
| 11:22.18 | Iridos | or, what? |
| 11:22.29 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.45 | jelly | the maintainer for 3.2 longterm series is a familiar fellow |
| 11:22.50 | Iridos | why is it named 3.2.0-0 |
| 11:23.06 | Iridos | with version 3.2.15-1 |
| 11:23.07 | babilen | Agiofws: That are google mirrors which have *nothing* to do with Debian. I am not sure if chrome has an irc channel. |
| 11:23.07 | jelly | Iridos: the whole "3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae" thing is the ABI |
| 11:23.25 | jelly | Iridos: ask dpkg about kernel abi |
| 11:24.00 | Agiofws | babilen, all of the sudden chrome is giving me a hard time in copy pasting ... text ... very frustrating |
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| 11:24.30 | Iridos | hmp |
| 11:24.30 | vtts | JyZyXEL, if i understand correctly, you only want to enable passwords for users from specific networks and only allow public key auth. for others. And there is no PAM specific restrictions? |
| 11:24.59 | jelly | dpkg, why is linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 not in testing |
| 11:25.01 | dpkg | linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 11:25.02 | Iridos | jelly, thanks |
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| 11:28.41 | wuffi600 | I found packages reiser4progs. Is there full support for reiser4 in kernels distributed with squeeze or wheezy? |
| 11:30.58 | AL13N_work | jelly: no, this vm only has 1 core |
| 11:31.00 | themill | Iridos: I think the plan is to go to an x.y numbering scheme instead of x.y.z for the package name, once wheezy is released. |
| 11:31.04 | babilen | wuffi600: No -- Please also see "/msg dpkg reiser4" and various articles on the internet. I wouldn't recommend to use reiserfs |
| 11:31.06 | JyZyXEL | vtts: connections from the local ip-range should only require the typical unix auth with password input and all the rest ip-ranges should require pam_otpw.so |
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| 11:31.51 | jelly | wuffi600: there is no support in kernels. |
| 11:31.56 | vtts | JyZyXEL, what if you disable passwordauthentication globaly and allow it only in Match blocks? |
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| 11:32.21 | vtts | and allow OTPW from all |
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| 11:33.53 | Iridos | themill, I see |
| 11:34.33 | JyZyXEL | but PAM is gonna be always enabled |
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| 11:35.55 | vtts | JyZyXEL, yes |
| 11:36.09 | vtts | do you want to deny OTPW from specific networks? |
| 11:36.28 | vtts | or allow passwords for specific networks? |
| 11:36.33 | vtts | or both? |
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| 11:36.53 | JyZyXEL | well i don't want otpw auth for local ip-addresses |
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| 11:40.17 | JyZyXEL | unix auth for 192.168.0.0/24 and OTPW for all the rest |
| 11:41.26 | vtts | if OTPW would be allowed from all, it would be easily done in sshd_config, otherwise I am not sure |
| 11:42.42 | vtts | maybe tcp wrappers could be of use, if you could specify PAM as service (not sure if it is possible) |
| 11:43.08 | D4rKr0W | does anyone know why a network card with a realtek r8139D chips listed as r8169 in lspci? |
| 11:43.27 | D4rKr0W | *would get listed |
| 11:43.42 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean allowed? |
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| 11:44.08 | swi | Hello. Is emacs in debian builded only with gtk x11 ui ? |
| 11:44.14 | vtts | JyZyXEL, i mean do not limit OTPW by addres, only allow passwords from some nets |
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| 11:44.45 | JyZyXEL | well im not sure if there is a distinction between allowing and using |
| 11:44.52 | yalu | quick Q: is it possible to prioretize one mirror in sources.list over another? |
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| 11:45.24 | JyZyXEL | of course it doesn't matter if 192.168.0.0/24 is ALLOWED to use OTPW |
| 11:45.31 | JyZyXEL | it just doesn't have to use it |
| 11:45.34 | vtts | yes |
| 11:45.49 | lasers` | Anybody here use Wheezy and Empathy? I don't see AIM as one of the options and wanted to know if that's "normal" |
| 11:46.01 | lasers` | (Er, no need for air quotes). |
| 11:46.10 | JyZyXEL | connections from 192.168.0.0/24 should be able to log in just with the unix password |
| 11:46.14 | JyZyXEL | and nothing else |
| 11:46.48 | vtts | it would work |
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| 11:46.49 | JyZyXEL | and connections from anywhere else would need to authenticate using OTPW and nothing else |
| 11:46.52 | themill | yalu: you can pin on "origin", but then you will only use that one mirror. What are you really trying to do here? |
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| 11:47.39 | vtts | JyZyXEL, if you could live with possibility to login with OTPW from local net (not necessary used) then its easy |
| 11:48.00 | JyZyXEL | sure |
| 11:48.11 | vtts | but if you want ONLY PASSWD, i do not have more ideas |
| 11:48.16 | JyZyXEL | i just don't want to HAVE TO use OTPW for local logins |
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| 11:49.04 | vtts | JyZyXEL, so try Match Address ... PasswordAuthentication yes in sshd_config |
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| 11:49.18 | vtts | and set it globaly to "no" |
| 11:49.50 | yalu | themill: get most packages from belnet (country wide fiber network) and some extra packages from the chicago uni |
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| 11:50.08 | yalu | but apt always download everything from across the globe now |
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| 11:50.28 | themill | yalu: in what way are these two mirrors different? |
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| 11:51.06 | themill | yalu: if your mirror carries the architecture and component, then it should be the same as every other one. |
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| 11:55.47 | wuffi600 | babilen: thanx |
| 11:55.48 | yalu | themill: a few extra packages on the latter. or so I though. but it turns out they are "official" debian packages after all. |
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| 11:56.24 | yalu | in any case if a package is found on 2 mirrors, it seems apt takes the alphabetically first. it doesn't loadbalance or anything. |
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| 11:56.43 | themill | yalu: yeah, all mirrors should be the same. There are also 3rd party repos like deb-multimedia.org that are nothing to do with debian that you might like to pin. |
| 11:57.07 | themill | yalu: any mirror should be able to saturate your local connection anyway, no need to load balance that when the narrowest bit of the pipe is your end. |
| 11:57.22 | JyZyXEL | vtts: i will try it |
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| 11:58.44 | yalu | that last one is a dangerous assumption ;) |
| 11:59.10 | jelly | themill: my mirror can barely give me 3MB/s! |
| 11:59.57 | themill | and once you hit those sorts of speeds, it's all irrelevant anyway |
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| 12:01.37 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't seem like this is gonna work |
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| 12:01.45 | JyZyXEL | your always gonna have the same PAM config |
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| 12:02.48 | JyZyXEL | how does PasswordAuthentication affect the UsePAM? |
| 12:03.31 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't tell in the manual |
| 12:03.39 | JyZyXEL | i can't make a pam config unless i know what it does |
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| 12:06.12 | JyZyXEL | vtts: how should i do my sshd PAM config? |
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| 12:12.02 | vtts | JyZyXEL, enable pam_unix |
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| 12:12.24 | JyZyXEL | you can login with pam_unix even if PasswordAuthentication is no |
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| 12:12.55 | stew | UsePam is required for PasswordAuthentication |
| 12:13.17 | vtts | JyZyXEL, well i am not able to do that |
| 12:13.26 | vtts | but i don't use OTPW |
| 12:13.29 | JyZyXEL | i will double check |
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| 12:15.55 | JyZyXEL | auth sufficient pam_unix.so |
| 12:16.06 | JyZyXEL | im able to auth with that even when PasswordAuthentication is no |
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| 12:20.58 | JyZyXEL | i don't think it really has any effect |
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| 12:21.52 | dgeary2 | is there a debian installer preseed guide anywhere (thinking similar to the anaconda kickstart guide)? |
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| 12:22.39 | Sevet | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 12:22.48 | themill | !preseed |
| 12:22.49 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 12:23.31 | JyZyXEL | the auth seems to go completely like the pam config says |
| 12:23.45 | JyZyXEL | and PasswordAuthentication doesn't affect it in any way |
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| 12:24.25 | dgeary2 | Sevet, themill, brilliant thanks |
| 12:25.18 | vtts | JyZyXEL, i have UsePAM yes, and PasswordAuthentication no, and i am unable to login with passwords |
| 12:26.27 | JyZyXEL | it works for me fine |
| 12:26.37 | vtts | sshd version? |
| 12:26.52 | JyZyXEL | how do you find that out? |
| 12:27.06 | JyZyXEL | openssh-server 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2 |
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| 12:27.29 | vtts | the same :/ |
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| 12:28.09 | vtts | when you set PasswordAuth... no, try ssh'ing into the system with "ssh -v ...." |
| 12:28.48 | vtts | and search for "Authentications that can continue:" |
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| 12:36.58 | nkuttler | vtts: you should show us the output you get, your sshd_config and tell us what you'd expect instead |
| 12:38.34 | vtts | well, for me it works as i am expecting it to do |
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| 12:39.27 | vtts | but JyZyXEL's setup is more complicated than mine |
| 12:39.43 | nkuttler | oh, i see |
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| 12:39.44 | vtts | so my ideas might not apply for him |
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| 12:42.49 | JyZyXEL | i don't think its too much to ask to use different auth methods for different ip-address ranges |
| 12:43.02 | vtts | it is not |
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| 12:44.00 | vtts | it's quite easy to achieve with passwords and pubkeys, unfortunately i have not tried to do that with OTWP |
| 12:44.10 | vtts | *OTPW |
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| 12:56.14 | sandieg | strangers in the night exaching glansses and mirrows and more... |
| 12:56.25 | sandieg | lalal ti tutututut |
| 12:56.30 | sandieg | :P |
| 12:56.35 | sandieg | good afternoon |
| 12:56.37 | sandieg | :D |
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| 12:57.49 | sandieg | so so |
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| 12:57.56 | sandieg | everything ok around |
| 12:57.58 | sandieg | ?! |
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| 12:58.21 | sandieg | every time i try to install x i got kicked by a blank window |
| 12:58.23 | sandieg | cry |
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| 12:58.39 | sandieg | huhuhuh |
| 12:58.53 | sandieg | any know the soluction ? |
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| 12:59.53 | stew | sandieg: can you try to improve the signal to noise ratio? |
| 13:00.00 | vtts | :P |
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| 13:00.03 | vtts | :) |
| 13:00.05 | sandieg | ffs |
| 13:00.06 | sandieg | :P |
| 13:00.08 | stew | sandieg: what comand are you running and what do you mean by "kicked by a blank window" ? |
| 13:00.17 | sandieg | signal no noise |
| 13:00.18 | sandieg | sucks |
| 13:00.21 | sandieg | either |
| 13:00.22 | sandieg | :P |
| 13:00.22 | vtts | sandieg, are you installing x with desktop manager? |
| 13:00.27 | vtts | or just x ? |
| 13:00.28 | sandieg | i am |
| 13:00.31 | stew | sandieg: stop using enter in place of punctuation |
| 13:00.34 | sandieg | im going to try |
| 13:00.39 | sandieg | mesa-utils |
| 13:00.45 | sandieg | are they good |
| 13:00.48 | sandieg | ? |
| 13:00.50 | sandieg | i like more xvesa |
| 13:00.56 | sandieg | but i dont find them |
| 13:00.57 | stew | sandieg: stop hitting enter so often |
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| 13:02.00 | faber88 | ciao |
| 13:02.01 | faber88 | !list |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | faber88: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 13:02.28 | sandieg | :D |
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| 13:03.14 | TMcTrain | hello |
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| 13:10.45 | chao | Where can I view the list of packages that are new to Debian that entered sid recently? |
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| 13:13.16 | stew | chao: there is an rss feed here: http://ftp-master.debian.org/rss/NEW_out.rss |
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| 13:14.06 | sandieg | i just discovered that vesa-utils dont give be x by default so i m going to install xorg am i proceding well |
| 13:14.09 | sandieg | ? |
| 13:14.17 | dvs | no |
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| 13:15.48 | sandieg | dvs explain better please |
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| 13:16.04 | dvs | sandieg: you need a desktop environment like gnome or kde |
| 13:16.06 | Jeena | Hi, I just upgraded to squeeze and now my ImageMagick won't work anymore and I have no idea how to fix it, when I use convert I get this error: |
| 13:16.08 | Jeena | convert: error while loading shared libraries: libgvc.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:16.10 | Jeena | any ideas? |
| 13:16.16 | sandieg | i have openboxz |
| 13:17.01 | dvs | never used it |
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| 13:19.57 | joar | which package provide /etc/hostname? |
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| 13:20.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | Just wanted to say, I successfully installed debian on this thin client and it's pretty fast :3 |
| 13:20.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | had to use an external HDD though |
| 13:20.30 | dvs | no usb? |
| 13:20.37 | sandieg | joar take a look at google (4) |
| 13:20.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | how safe is it to install debian onto a USB flash drive? |
| 13:20.41 | themill | joar: it's not owned by any package |
| 13:20.44 | echo083 | hello the command dmidecode --type memory returns "Physical Memory Array Maximum Capacity: 4 GB Number Of Devices: 2" is it 4 GB by slot or for both ? |
| 13:20.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | will it wear out too fast? |
| 13:22.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | i mean is there any way for debian to handle wear-leveling or such? or is it dependant on the media? |
| 13:22.18 | joar | themill: Would you know why it would disappear? Have you had that happen to you? |
| 13:22.32 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: Depends on the media |
| 13:22.43 | themill | joar: deleting the file or filesystem corruption are the only ways I can imagine it disappearing... |
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| 13:25.30 | JyZyXEL | basically if i could use the success of pam_access.so as a conditional in the pam configuration id be good |
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| 13:25.43 | VanDerSpar | Greetings guys |
| 13:25.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: best media to use? |
| 13:25.52 | JyZyXEL | if i could say stuff like: if pam_access.so succeeds, require pam_otpw.so |
| 13:25.54 | VanDerSpar | Anyone here who's /dev/random experts? |
| 13:26.05 | VanDerSpar | Or just got a little knowledge of it? |
| 13:26.15 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: meh. Stick with the hard drive. |
| 13:26.16 | JyZyXEL | i mean if pam_access.so then require pam_unix.so |
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| 13:26.24 | JyZyXEL | but if it fails then require pam_otpw.so |
| 13:26.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: aight. |
| 13:26.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol i'll just velcro it to the back of the thinclient xD |
| 13:26.37 | ChrisH_ | !tel VanDerSpar about ask |
| 13:26.40 | VanDerSpar | I'd like to know what 'tr' and '-dc' does |
| 13:26.49 | JyZyXEL | there is this notion of substacks in PAM that i think could possibly do this |
| 13:26.56 | JyZyXEL | but it looks extremely complicated |
| 13:26.59 | VanDerSpar | Yeah, orry ChrisH. I'll ask anyway |
| 13:27.00 | JyZyXEL | and un user friendly |
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| 13:27.24 | VanDerSpar | Sorry* |
| 13:27.38 | JyZyXEL | where the heck am i gonna find someone who knows PAM |
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| 13:28.03 | Jeena | ok never mind, someone installed imagemagick manually, so after a deinstall of that and a install with apt-get everything works |
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| 13:29.33 | VanDerSpar | !tell VanDerSpar about ask |
| 13:30.47 | VanDerSpar | !tell VanDerSpar about urandom |
| 13:30.53 | TehRabbitt-Work | whats the best way to enable the framebuffer for boot? |
| 13:30.59 | themill | VanDerSpar: you can just /msg dpkg |
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| 13:31.10 | VanDerSpar | Oh, well |
| 13:31.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | make menuconfig right? |
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| 13:31.49 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: debian kernels already have that enabled |
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| 13:32.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: :-| then how do I enable it, because it's not lol |
| 13:32.12 | chao | Wow x264 is in Debian now? |
| 13:32.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | or at least it doesn't seem like it |
| 13:32.27 | chao | No worried about MPEG-LA patents? |
| 13:32.30 | dvs | should be |
| 13:32.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | i'm getting the default white + black big text console on bot |
| 13:32.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | boot* |
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| 13:33.14 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: That's what framebuffer is. |
| 13:33.41 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: If the screen clears while booting then it's in framebuffer mode |
| 13:33.46 | stew | chao: we will worry about them when we are informed by someone claiming to own IP that we are infringing |
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| 13:34.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: thats what I mean, it doesn't clear, it just keeps scrolling |
| 13:34.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | usually I see it clear, and the text shrinks down a bit / cleaner and easier to read |
| 13:34.28 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: so it doesn't scroll, then clear, then scroll again? |
| 13:34.34 | TehRabbitt-Work | nope |
| 13:35.12 | chao | stew: I prefer this mindset, but where there specific debian-legal discussions that caused the ftp-masters to include it finally when they didn't for many years before now? |
| 13:35.37 | stew | chao: we (the ftp-team, of which I am a member) do not pay attention to debian-legal |
| 13:35.52 | stew | chao: we consulted lawyers from the sflc, let me see if I can find a link |
| 13:36.25 | chao | Ah okay, interesting. Then debian-legal is simply a place for non-essential discussion/postulation |
| 13:36.32 | themill | http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq |
| 13:36.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: yeah, ive rebooted, it just keeps scrolling |
| 13:36.51 | stew | chao: themill has the good link |
| 13:36.51 | themill | chao: debian-legal is an echo chamber of arm-chair lawyers pretending they know what is happening. |
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| 13:36.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | "setting console screen modes" and then the text goes all blurry / regular console (no FB) |
| 13:37.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | I can scroll up and see the grub text etc |
| 13:37.15 | chao | haha ok |
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| 13:37.56 | g0dfrey | Does anyone know how to add ipv6 support to debian installer? |
| 13:38.04 | Gringoire | Hi trying to get wireless working on wheezy. I have a "Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN", followed the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy but no luck, any ideas? |
| 13:38.06 | sandieg | Does anyone know how to use debian squeeze NetworkManager? |
| 13:38.18 | sandieg | for 3G dongle |
| 13:38.19 | sandieg | ? |
| 13:38.46 | chao | stew: So I checked the RSS feed you sent, and I also am looking at http://incoming.debian.org/ but this isn't 100% what I am looking for, although it's nice to know how to find this info |
| 13:38.59 | stew | chao: what are you looking for that isn't there? |
| 13:39.24 | chao | Well, the info I am looking for is there probably, it's just that there's a lot of info that's there that I don't want |
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| 13:39.33 | chao | I am not looking for NEW versions of packages that are already IN Debian |
| 13:39.41 | chao | I am looking for packages that never existed before |
| 13:39.51 | stew | chao: https://lists.debian.org/debian-changes/ |
| 13:39.52 | jtac | I have a USB drive (which contain 1 iamge) how can i take that image to my local pc? |
| 13:39.57 | stew | chao: oh |
| 13:40.05 | stew | chao: yes, then the first one I sent you is correct |
| 13:40.11 | stew | chao: the rss feed is that |
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| 13:40.20 | chao | For example, in Synaptic, the packages with the empty white box with the star in it |
| 13:40.29 | stew | chao: its a list of all packages that exit the NEW queue. the NEW queue is where packages go which are adding packages to the archive |
| 13:40.46 | chao | And I wish I knew how to view the same in aptitude as well, otherwise I'd never use Synaptic again |
| 13:40.54 | chao | Okay |
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| 13:41.45 | dvs | Gringoire: Isn't it suppose to be http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi ? |
| 13:42.10 | stew | chao: one thing that might be throwing you off is that when old source pacakge add a new binary package (which happens when a library introduces a new SONAME (like libfoo1 changes to libfoo2)) they enter the NEW queue again |
| 13:42.22 | dvs | oops! maybe not |
| 13:42.36 | chao | Is there any place to see a longer list dating back a couple of weeks? I've been travelling and haven't updated recently and screwed up my local package manager by switching sources so ALL uninstalled packages are marked as NEW |
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| 13:43.13 | chao | Ah okay, well then this RSS feed is great for future use then, thanks |
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| 13:45.17 | stew | chao: aptitude search '~N' |
| 13:45.19 | stew | perhaps? |
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| 13:46.00 | Gringoire | dvs: let me check |
| 13:46.33 | sandieg | guys in matter of dependecies |
| 13:46.52 | sandieg | is it possible to to a sum check of the missing dependecies before installing a .deb file |
| 13:46.55 | sandieg | ? |
| 13:47.19 | chao | Ah nice, how far back is this showing me the new packages for? |
| 13:47.27 | sandieg | lol chaos |
| 13:47.35 | stew | sandieg: dpkg --dry-run -i foo.deb |
| 13:47.41 | sandieg | danke |
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| 13:47.46 | [TheFlash] | hi |
| 13:47.56 | ChrisH_ | sandieg: attach the dongle an duse Network Manager. |
| 13:48.01 | Gringoire | dvs: I might be wrong, but the commands in both are the same? |
| 13:48.04 | [TheFlash] | i'm a fedora user and i'd like to switch to debian |
| 13:48.17 | Gringoire | Anyway I've repeated the steps from /iwlwifi, still no luck |
| 13:48.22 | [TheFlash] | but i need to keep my /home partition, which is a LVM |
| 13:48.35 | sandieg | brb |
| 13:48.44 | [TheFlash] | i mean, / and /home are in a logical volume |
| 13:48.52 | dvs | Gringoire: Well, they say iwlegacy is for wheezy while iwlwifi is for squeeze |
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| 13:49.29 | [TheFlash] | can i install debian to / and keep /home? |
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| 13:50.06 | FGH` | how can i search true the whole system for a file named ban.txt ? |
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| 13:50.25 | [TheFlash] | also, UIDs on fedora start from 500, and on debian they start from 1000, would that be a problem? |
| 13:50.38 | stew | [TheFlash]: sure, you'll just have to choose the "manual partitioning" option at install, during which, you can partition/play with lvm/create filesystems, then assign filesystems to mount points before the installer proceeds |
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| 13:51.20 | ChrisH | [TheFlash]: I would install the system from scratch and mark the /home as do not use in manuall installer. Then afterwards fix the fstab. |
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| 13:51.51 | stew | ChrisH: why not just let the installer setup fstab? |
| 13:51.54 | nadley | hi all I'm trying to use simple-cdd to build a lenny image when I specified debian_mirror to http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian but it does not work |
| 13:52.05 | nadley | is there something special to do ? |
| 13:52.24 | PerfDave | FGH`: "find" or "locate" |
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| 13:52.33 | stew | [TheFlash]: if you are planning on using a display manager, you might have some tweaking to do to tell the display manager which users are non-system users |
| 13:52.34 | sandieg | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.36 | sandieg | \/quit brb in 30 min |
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| 13:52.45 | stew | [TheFlash]: debian is going to start using the 500-1000 uid range for system users |
| 13:52.49 | ChrisH | stew: I cannot give an argument on that... its just my feeling on how I would do it. |
| 13:53.08 | [TheFlash] | stew: i was planning on creating a new user with UID=1000, and i'm wondering if that would prevent me from accessing my files |
| 13:53.47 | ChrisH | [TheFlash]: I assume you do not have any backup of your data. |
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| 13:54.14 | [TheFlash] | ChrisH: is backing up the only way? |
| 13:54.19 | stew | [TheFlash]: you'd have to chown the files |
| 13:54.29 | ChrisH | [TheFlash]: You can use find | xargs to fix the permissions/ownership. |
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| 13:54.47 | stew | [TheFlash]: with something like find -uid 501 -exec chown 1000 {} + |
| 13:54.53 | PerfDave | ChrisH: Nooo, use find -exec |
| 13:55.06 | ChrisH | [TheFlash]: having a backup is not the only way, but it calms down :) |
| 13:55.17 | stew | having a backup is a good idea no matter what you are doing |
| 13:55.27 | stew | including doing nothing waiting for hardware to eventually fail |
| 13:55.38 | PerfDave | No reason why [TheFlash] can't keep an existing user account with UID500, is there? |
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| 13:56.00 | ChrisH | PerfDave: I hate the --exec {} syntax. Therfore I use xargs |
| 13:56.01 | Gringoire | dvs: somehow, a quick reboot solved everything, not sure why. Thanks for your help :) |
| 13:56.01 | [TheFlash] | stew: i have a backup of my most important files, but not, let's say, xfce configuration files and such |
| 13:56.07 | stew | PerfDave: the only one I could think of is the one I stated about display managers, i'll be there are other which will also be minor |
| 13:56.16 | dvs | Gringoire: no prob? |
| 13:56.40 | PerfDave | ChrisH: But it's wrong. If you insist on it, use find -print0 | xargs -0 |
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| 13:57.00 | [TheFlash] | stew: i'm assuming i can keep my configuration files, i'll be using the same programs I use now |
| 13:57.54 | [TheFlash] | stew: i'm switching to debian because fedora's updates are too frequent and compiz is no longer in the repositories |
| 13:57.56 | stew | [TheFlash]: that should be a safe assumption, there can always be minor conflicts if lets say, you end up on a different major version of $something which expects slightly different configuration, but in general, that's meant to work |
| 13:58.25 | [TheFlash] | stew: debian does have compiz, right? |
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| 13:58.39 | stew | judd: versions compiz |
| 13:58.40 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.1; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 13:58.46 | stew | (that's a yes) |
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| 13:59.18 | [TheFlash] | stew: also, does debian have gnome 2? |
| 13:59.26 | stew | oh, but not in wheezy _currently_, which might indicate that there is a question about whehter or not it will be part of the next debian release |
| 13:59.37 | stew | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 13:59.38 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; sid: 3.4.2-1; wheezy: 3.4.2-1 |
| 13:59.49 | stew | [TheFlash]: 2.30 in stable, 3.4 in testing |
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| 14:00.05 | stew | (testing will become stable in $place_your_bet_here number of months |
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| 14:00.41 | [TheFlash] | stew: too bad, compiz is a really good window manager |
| 14:00.49 | [TheFlash] | stew: i personally hate gnome 3 |
| 14:00.51 | ChrisH | PerfDave: Thats a GNU extension, on the Solaris boxes I need to work with I have SystemV find and xargs. Therefore I avoid blanks in Filenames :) But you are right with debian! |
| 14:00.52 | stew | !why is compiz not in testing |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | compiz is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=compiz |
| 14:01.19 | stew | looking at that, my guess is that it will be in the next release |
| 14:01.22 | karlpinc | [TheFlash]: There's a gnome 2 fork.... |
| 14:01.25 | g0dfrey | judd: versions vlc |
| 14:01.27 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 2.0.1-4+b2; wheezy: 2.0.1-4+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-dmo1 |
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| 14:01.52 | [TheFlash] | karlpinc: i'm using xfce currently |
| 14:01.58 | PerfDave | ChrisH: You don't install GNU tools on Solaris ASAP? :) |
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| 14:02.52 | ChrisH | PerfDave: I cannot. Customer decides which tools are installed. If I install them _I_ need to take are about security updates. |
| 14:03.14 | [TheFlash] | does the debian installer have package selection? |
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| 14:03.21 | PerfDave | ChrisH: Fair enough. I used to write nawk on pre-Solaris SunOS :) |
| 14:03.36 | PerfDave | [TheFlash]: It uses task selection rather than package selction last time I checked. |
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| 14:04.06 | [TheFlash] | PerfDave: what does that mean? can i choose which packages to install? |
| 14:04.07 | karlpinc | [TheFlash]: I think there's an advanced option. But I always install the bare minimum and then add packages. |
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| 14:04.33 | karlpinc | !tell [TheFlash] about tasksel |
| 14:04.54 | stew | [TheFlash]: it will give you choices liek "Standard System" "Web Server" "Desktop System" "Laptop", and you can chose any or all of those. after the install you can, of course, add whatever other packages you wish |
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| 14:06.01 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions gnome-panel |
| 14:06.02 | judd | Package: gnome-panel on i386 -- lenny: 2.20.3-5; squeeze: 2.30.2-2; wheezy: 3.4.1-1; sid: 3.4.2.1-2 |
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| 14:07.13 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions xfce4-panel |
| 14:07.14 | judd | Package: xfce4-panel on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-6; lenny-backports: 4.6.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.4-1; sid: 4.8.6-3; wheezy: 4.8.6-3; experimental: 4.10.0-1 |
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| 14:07.42 | [TheFlash] | squeeze is release 6, right? |
| 14:07.46 | stew | [TheFlash]: yes |
| 14:07.57 | stew | [TheFlash]: if you are going to do a lot of this, you can either use http://packages.debian.org/package-name or /msg judd versions packagename |
| 14:07.58 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions tmux |
| 14:08.00 | judd | Package: tmux on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3-2+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.6-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6-2; wheezy: 1.6-2; experimental: 1.7~svn2788-1 |
| 14:08.33 | karlpinc | [TheFlash]: You will also want to read the <overview> and <introduction> factoids. ("/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client.) |
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| 14:09.04 | g0dfrey | judd: versions kdebase-runtime |
| 14:09.05 | judd | Package: kdebase-runtime on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.4-2; wheezy: 4:4.7.4-2; experimental: 4:4.8.3-1 |
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| 14:11.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm how can I enable the FB |
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| 14:12.00 | pav5088 | I've been having some virtualbox crashes that sometimes corrupt the host filesystem. I'm using the Debian Wheeze packaged version (4.1.14-DFSG1). Sometimes virtualmachines can appear as "inaccessible" after a crash in VBox manager. |
| 14:12.08 | pav5088 | Is there any information I can gather up that would be useful to anyone? |
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| 14:13.26 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: Isn't it enabled by default? (See also the <fb> factoid.) |
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| 14:14.18 | karlpinc | pav5088: You can file a bug report against the virtualbox package and see if you get a request for more info by the maintainers. That's what the bug reporting system is for. |
| 14:14.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: Yep it's not enabled :-\... hw can I see the factoid? |
| 14:15.07 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: "/msg dpkg fb" in your irc client. |
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| 14:15.59 | g0dfrey | pav5088: Have you installed the Extension Pack? |
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| 14:17.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: no idea why it's not enabled :C |
| 14:17.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | and grub doesn't have a menu.lst |
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| 14:18.25 | g0dfrey | TehRabbitt-Work: Grub's menu in grub.cfg |
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| 14:19.52 | gulzar | which is the best lightweight pdf viewer, having atleast these two functions: continuous page scrolling and find option and IF possible remember the last page location after closing document? |
| 14:22.04 | DragonDon | Greetings all, having some video/xorg issues, somehow fixed it (as in following some instructiosn but before I was done, the GUI started working....<shrug>. So I wanted to check to see which video driver is in use and can't figure it out from the lsmod output. http://paste.debian.net/171932/ |
| 14:23.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | hmmm is it GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 the problem? |
| 14:23.29 | unkmar | gulzar: I've been using evince, but I don't know if it has those features. |
| 14:23.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | or GRUB_TERMINAL=CONSOLE |
| 14:24.10 | gulzar | DragonDon: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 14:25.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | I feel lost :-\ i've never had an issue with debian *not* using the framebuffer before |
| 14:25.31 | babilen | DragonDon: Really, don't cross-post. Most regulars are in every single you asked this question. |
| 14:25.33 | gulzar | unkmar: Evince has those features. But its big . I was thinking of something like zathura and llpp. People says llpp is better then zathura. And both are very lightweight. I want the opinion of Debian community :) |
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| 14:26.16 | ode89 | Hi, I was trying to install testing but there is a bug in the installer that that breaks when trying to install Busybox. Does anyone know where I can get a testing CD image before this bug was introduced? Thx |
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| 14:26.32 | sephii | gulzar: i'm not sure zathura has continuous page scrolling |
| 14:26.36 | karlpinc | ode89: The recommended way is to install stable and upgrade. |
| 14:27.02 | gulzar | sephii: right... so llpp? |
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| 14:27.28 | karlpinc | ode89: (And you might tell us why you want testing, because it can have problems -- it's in testing. :-) |
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| 14:27.58 | sephii | gulzar: don't know, i only used zathura :) just try llpp. also maybe xpdf has the features you're looking for |
| 14:28.03 | ode89 | Because stable is too old |
| 14:28.07 | gulzar | sephii: I have mupdf.. have to get this llpp to check it. |
| 14:28.13 | gulzar | sephii: xpdf .. OK let's try |
| 14:28.28 | ode89 | I have been running testing for a year with no serious problems, but then my HDD failed |
| 14:28.32 | karlpinc | ode89: What new features do you need? (And you know there's no security support for testing, right?) |
| 14:28.53 | karlpinc | ode89: If you're happy, then it's the right choice for you. |
| 14:29.04 | PerfDave | If you can't install (testing, unstable) then you shouldn't be using it, IMHO :) |
| 14:29.13 | dvs | karlpinc: but he'll bug us with bugs! |
| 14:29.13 | ode89 | Unstable is a better option? |
| 14:29.22 | karlpinc | ode89: But you may also want to see the <overview> factoid for ways to get newer stuff on stable. |
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| 14:29.47 | DragonDon | thanks gulzar , helps get me some of the way to more understanding of LInux :) |
| 14:29.54 | TehRabbitt-Work | yup something here is broken... I installed the package "patch-linux-debianlogo" which is supposed to show the debian logo in FB at boot etc... and nothing, nothing at all... |
| 14:30.38 | gulzar | DragonDon: yw :D |
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| 14:31.19 | gulzar | TehRabbitt-Work: FB? |
| 14:31.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | gulzar: framebuffer |
| 14:31.32 | whistler_ | so folks, I am trying to determine the free space in a scipt of a particular directory with a metric $hit ton of subdirectories. Is there a more efficient way to do so than du /directory | tail -n1 | cut -d " " -f1 |
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| 14:31.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | it's dropping me into a lovely 640x480 on my high res display every time during boot |
| 14:31.45 | titleless | how do I underclock the CPU in order to keep the laptop's CPU's fan from spinning? |
| 14:31.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | and it's driving me nuts... |
| 14:31.52 | gulzar | TehRabbitt-Work: adjust resolution |
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| 14:32.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | gulzar: the thing is, eveyr other system i've ever used, it clears the screen / resolution changes and I get a nice lil framebuffer |
| 14:32.18 | whistler_ | errr… not free space, total disk space used |
| 14:32.31 | ode89 | Roughly when will Wheezy be released? |
| 14:32.32 | TehRabbitt-Work | this time, I install debian just like I usually do, and *nothing*.. just console |
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| 14:32.42 | karlpinc | jelly: [08:36:51]<themill> chao: debian-legal is an echo chamber of arm-chair lawyers pretending they know what is happening. |
| 14:32.46 | gulzar | TehRabbitt-Work: GRUB2 can set the framebuffer for both GRUB2 itself and the kernel. The old vga= way is deprecated. The preferred method is editing /etc/default/grub as the following sample: GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep . To generate the changes, run: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 14:32.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm |
| 14:33.01 | gulzar | whistler_: use bleachbit |
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| 14:34.53 | gulzar | time to go :) |
| 14:35.01 | whistler_ | i am scripting a backup of a particular directory and want to quickly and most efficiently determine the size of the particular directory recursively, not looking to free up disk space. Just want to know if there is a less cpu/disk intensive method than du /directory | tail -n1 | cut -d " " -f1 |
| 14:35.10 | karlpinc | !tell ode89 about guess the release date |
| 14:35.21 | PerfDave | whistler_: du -s? |
| 14:35.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | grrr i set the GFXMODE settings above and it's *still* not having an effect :-\ |
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| 14:36.12 | jelly | karlpinc: done |
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| 14:36.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey jelly |
| 14:36.38 | steve456465 | Does anyone know where I can find md5sums for the 'wheezy' .iso's? |
| 14:36.53 | steve456465 | The 'torrent' directories are all 404'ing for me |
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| 14:37.00 | jelly | hello there TehRabbitt-Work |
| 14:37.19 | jelly | steve456465: what do you need wheezy isos for? |
| 14:37.37 | [TheFlash] | so, I need to use the "manual installation" option to keep /home? |
| 14:37.38 | steve456465 | jelly, want to try out 'testing' on my netbook |
| 14:38.15 | jelly | steve456465: use the stable installer, install the base system, then upgrade to wheezy and install the rest of the system |
| 14:38.32 | jelly | dpkg, tell steve456465 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:38.34 | karlpinc | [TheFlash]: IIRC, "manual paritioning" is the way to keep it from automatically just wiping the disk. Could be wrong. (you could always read the install guide.) |
| 14:39.07 | ode89 | dpkg, tell ode89 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:39.21 | karlpinc | !tell ode89 about selftell |
| 14:39.29 | karlpinc | ode89: (No worries.) |
| 14:39.43 | steve456465 | do i just need to update the sources.list to point to the testing repositories? |
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| 14:41.10 | stew | steve456465: no, it would be a similar process as you would use for moving from, say, lenny to squeeze |
| 14:41.26 | stew | steve456465: (which is documented in chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes) |
| 14:41.33 | steve456465 | stew, haven't ever done an upgrade like that before, but i will look at the documentation |
| 14:41.38 | steve456465 | awesome, thanks |
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| 14:42.09 | stew | steve456465: but, of course, this is far less tested, and is known to have problems, and expect testing to be sometimes broken |
| 14:42.18 | karlpinc | steve456465: You might also be interested in the <overview> factoid, unless you've got some special reason for running testing. |
| 14:42.22 | steve456465 | My last question, if I go go ahead and get a running Wheezy system, and keep it upgraded, will that be the same as when Wheezy becomes a final release? |
| 14:42.26 | steve456465 | if that makes sense |
| 14:42.55 | [TheFlash] | steve456465: if you want an unstable distribution, use fedora... |
| 14:42.58 | steve456465 | I don't karl, I just like the process of not having to do a full upgrade once Wheezy becomes a release |
| 14:43.02 | stew | steve456465: if you use "wheezy" in sources.list you stay with wheezy when it releases. if you use "testing" you stay with the new testing |
| 14:43.19 | steve456465 | AH, good point stew |
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| 14:43.39 | karlpinc | steve456465: There's reasons not to run testing, like it does not have security support. And you'll eventually do an upgrade anyway. Releases don't last forever. |
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| 14:44.37 | karlpinc | steve456465: And nobody knows when wheezy will release. (My bet is it will take a year.) And after that you've still another year before you have to upgrade. So it's not like you'll have to upgrade soon. |
| 14:44.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay, i'm convinced it's trolling me now... |
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| 14:44.55 | steve456465 | good points karl |
| 14:44.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | no matter what I set the resolution to in grub.cfg it's refusing to change. |
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| 14:45.03 | steve456465 | Thanks a lot guys |
| 14:45.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | it stays at 640x480 |
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| 14:45.09 | steve456465 | TehRabbit did you update grub |
| 14:45.12 | TehRabbitt-Work | yep |
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| 14:45.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.20 | stew | steve456465: you shouldn't run testing if security is important |
| 14:45.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | and still nothing |
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| 14:45.33 | stew | (unless you are prepared to do the extra work) |
| 14:45.40 | steve456465 | haha I'm not, stew |
| 14:45.47 | steve456465 | This is just a cheeze-whiz netbook |
| 14:45.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | even better, when it says "Setting console screen modes" it goes from at least readable, to blurry >_< |
| 14:45.52 | steve456465 | Nothing super critical |
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| 14:46.09 | stew | some people put differing values into cheeze-whiz` |
| 14:46.13 | karlpinc | steve456465: Then definately see the overview factoid. (Type "/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client.) |
| 14:46.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | mind you the monitor supports 1080i... so 640x480 is barely legible |
| 14:46.20 | steve456465 | TehRabbit, maybe just a fresh install of grub? |
| 14:46.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | steve456465: Tried that too x_x lol |
| 14:46.36 | steve456465 | aww drag |
| 14:46.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | I swear, it's gotta be a setting somewhere i'm missing |
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| 14:46.46 | steve456465 | right stew |
| 14:46.49 | stew | "setting console screen mode" is /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh, nothing to do with grub |
| 14:46.57 | steve456465 | and i'll check out the overview |
| 14:46.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | like usually, at one point, the screen clears / you see things go from 640x480 to a "better" resolution |
| 14:47.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | it's just not doing it lol |
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| 14:47.12 | stew | err, that might be /etc/init.d/console-setup now |
| 14:47.19 | steve456465 | karl, i'm not sure what that command did |
| 14:47.23 | whistler_ | thanks PerfDave |
| 14:48.04 | [TheFlash] | karlpinc: why do i need to repartition my drive at all? can't i just re-use the fedora root partition? |
| 14:48.06 | steve456465 | AHHH TehRabbit have you already booted? |
| 14:48.24 | steve456465 | You're wanting to change the resolution when you're actually viewing the terdminal? |
| 14:49.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | steve456465: yes... |
| 14:49.05 | TehRabbitt-Work | I turn the system on |
| 14:49.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | and it stays at 640x480 all the way to the login: promopt |
| 14:49.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | prompt* |
| 14:49.19 | steve456465 | Yeah, that won't have to do with grub, grub just gets you in |
| 14:49.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
| 14:49.59 | steve456465 | TehRabbitt-Work, when did it change? |
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| 14:50.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | usually after it boots the kernel up, I see the text shrink down / it fixes the resolution, some systems even have Tux / debian logo load up with the FB |
| 14:50.07 | stew | no, I don't believe it has to do with grub, if it is changing AFTER boot by the console-tools init script |
| 14:50.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | this has *no* fb Heh. |
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| 14:51.25 | steve456465 | TehRabbitt-Work, does this machine not use a Desktop Environment? |
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| 14:51.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | steve456465: not yet... it will though |
| 14:51.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | does it require it for FB to work? |
| 14:51.54 | steve456465 | what's FB? |
| 14:52.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | Framebuffer |
| 14:52.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | I should say console framebuffer technically |
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| 14:53.00 | steve456465 | TehRabbitt-Work, I mean, my guess would be that it's a driver thing |
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| 14:54.20 | steve456465 | TehRabbitt-Work, if you're eventually going to put a desktop on it, I'd try that first |
| 14:54.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | steve456465: alright. |
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| 14:54.56 | steve456465 | I've never done *debian* without a desktop, and I know that when mine boot up they start in a crappy resolution and then it kicks in maybe 1/4 the way through boot up |
| 14:55.12 | steve456465 | I'm guessing it's a module that's activated and not something that's part of the kernel |
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| 14:59.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | this thin client is actually pretty fast |
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| 14:59.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | 1GB ram and 1.2GHz "Eden" processor |
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| 15:00.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | something like that |
| 15:00.53 | TehRabbitt-Work | awesome... /dev/fb0: no such file or directory when trying to "startx" |
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| 15:01.17 | g0dfrey | judd: versions recordmydesktop |
| 15:01.18 | judd | Package: recordmydesktop on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.7.3-1; sid: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; squeeze: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; wheezy: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1 |
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| 15:03.47 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? can you show us the xorg logs? |
| 15:03.58 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: what graphics card do you have? |
| 15:04.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | just realized I didn't have *any* xorg-xserver-video modules installed |
| 15:04.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | erm xserver-xorg-video |
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| 15:05.02 | LittleFoot | hi |
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| 15:05.39 | LittleFoot | i installed some stuff and now its asking me to re accept ssl certificates for aim and mail |
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| 15:05.50 | LittleFoot | what and why would cause that? |
| 15:05.54 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: i'd recommend "aptitude install xorg" then |
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| 15:07.17 | nkuttler | LittleFoot: please use a pastebin. "some stuff" and a vague error description aren't helpful |
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| 15:08.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | sweet, now when i do startx, I get a blue desktop, like I should for icewm... but now i've got a nice staticy / noisy white bar scrolling up my screen |
| 15:09.06 | g0dfrey | judd: versions wireshark |
| 15:09.07 | judd | Package: wireshark on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.2-3+lenny16; lenny-security: 1.0.2-3+lenny16; squeeze: 1.2.11-6+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.2.11-6+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.2.11-6+squeeze7; sid: 1.6.8-1; wheezy: 1.6.8-1 |
| 15:09.12 | ItalSpliff | http://debbydasilvianygren.blogspot.se/ My blog, you Sexy girl!!! |
| 15:09.13 | ItalSpliff | http://debbydasilvianygren.blogspot.se/ My blog, you Sexy girl!!! |
| 15:09.24 | nkuttler | !ops ItalSpliff spam |
| 15:09.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: ItalSpliff spam |
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| 15:09.31 | g0dfrey | judd: versions nmap |
| 15:09.32 | judd | Package: nmap on i386 -- lenny: 4.62-1; lenny-backports: 5.00-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.00-3; wheezy: 5.21-1.1; sid: 5.51.6-0.2 |
| 15:09.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | I can't even start GPM >_< |
| 15:09.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | wtf is wrong with this install |
| 15:09.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
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| 15:10.34 | peterS | TehRabbitt-Work: with kernel 3.x? I still need to upload that fix. Dang it. |
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| 15:11.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | 2.6.32-5 |
| 15:11.42 | peterS | ah, different problem then |
| 15:12.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | yea, this install is a piece of crap apparently :C |
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| 15:12.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | this is what I get for trying to do things from a "base install" and not bloating it up with gnome |
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| 15:13.43 | soul-d | good afthernoon, im trying to set up dual screen on but so far it doesn't turn on with any xrandr command nor with the system monitor application it is visable and according to xrandr -q connected |
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| 15:15.14 | ska | I had a junior admin guy tell me that another particular distribution was more "commercially" accepted in the hosting industry. How should one respond to a statement like that? |
| 15:15.41 | krisfremen | which distro? |
| 15:16.13 | themill | ska: ask about the ability to upgrade from one release to another or the size of the archive that is supported for you by debian. |
| 15:16.27 | ska | krisfremen: I'd rather not say, but if you add it's IRC groups together you don't exceed the #debian channel. |
| 15:16.35 | ska | s/groups/users |
| 15:16.49 | krisfremen | if it was red hat, he's correct.. if not, he's not correct.. |
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| 15:17.50 | stew | ska: by that sentiment, is windows an even better alternative? |
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| 15:17.58 | PerfDave | Depends on your definition of "commercially accepted". RedHat and SuSE have more obvious support contracts from big companies and more support from big proprietary software houses, but that's not got much to do with hosting. |
| 15:17.59 | stew | and is McDonalds good food? |
| 15:18.15 | petemc | big macs are tasty |
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| 15:18.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | ska: centos? lol |
| 15:18.21 | ska | themill: which archive, the DL/isos and apt archives? |
| 15:18.56 | ska | TehRabbitt-Work: that plus rhel |
| 15:18.56 | themill | ska: the apt archives. Having so much stuff a simple apt-get away compared to something like rhel or centos is quite lovely. |
| 15:19.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | ska: CentOS == crap nowadays but that's my opinion |
| 15:19.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | at one time it *was* decent for hosting |
| 15:19.59 | ska | TehRabbitt-Work: but don't start a flame here. |
| 15:20.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | no no |
| 15:20.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | i'm just saying from my experience |
| 15:20.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | Every distro has it's niche :3 |
| 15:20.26 | themill | ska: On more than one occasion, I've turned a rhel box into a debian box because it was faster to do that and apt-get install several packages than it was to try to get them to work under rhel. When it comes to centos, you may also want to check the availability (or otherwise) of security support. |
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| 15:20.35 | ska | I did have problems upgrading on other distros. |
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| 15:21.14 | ska | themill: good point. What type of security support are you referring to, security packages? |
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| 15:22.56 | themill | ska: centos managed to go several months without releasing any packages that addressed CVEs found in kernel and various network-facing daemons. They may or may not have fixed the structural problems in the project that led to that unwelcome pause in procedings, I don't know. |
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| 15:23.12 | soul-d | acording to xrandr it thinks my vga screen is my DVI-I-1 |
| 15:23.20 | whistler_ | scientific linux is pretty jam |
| 15:24.08 | stew | ska: with other distros with a smaller package set which forces you outside the core distro for other software, might force you into managing the security updates yourself. you may find with debian you can stick to only packages in debian, so the debian seucrity team is managing security patches for you |
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| 15:24.41 | beardy | soul-d: xrandr does that for me too. Thinks my monitor is my tv, and other way around. Just pretend it's correct and do what you want to do on the "wrong" one, and it'll do it "right". |
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| 15:25.10 | soul-d | well my second screen doesnt turn on at all |
| 15:25.18 | soul-d | i do get virtual space |
| 15:25.35 | soul-d | mirror screen doesnt work and locks the one screen to wrong modes |
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| 15:29.48 | rmacd | Assuming I've already installed a package (custom compile job), apt still thinks the dependency is unavailable, so tries installing it. Surely it must be possible to tell dpkg I've already installed something? |
| 15:30.00 | PerfDave | How did you install it? |
| 15:30.23 | rmacd | checkinstall, own .deb file. |
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| 15:30.53 | PerfDave | So you've installed the dependency package, and when you go to install this other package, it tries to replace your package with the Debian one? |
| 15:30.53 | rmacd | Course, I probably forgot the 'provides' or something |
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| 15:32.22 | rmacd | PerfDave: Yes - I'll be specific - I churned out my own Dovecot .deb, as I needed an extra plugin. Now, trying to install the headers, apt's trying to install dovecot as well, but I've already got it up and running :) |
| 15:32.38 | PerfDave | rmacd: apt-cache policy dovecot |
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| 15:32.58 | stew | rmacd: what plugin? |
| 15:33.00 | PerfDave | rmacd: Probaby you need to add an extraversion or something |
| 15:33.18 | rmacd | PerfDave: That looks familiar! I'll have a look at that - thanks! |
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| 15:33.31 | stew | rmacd: what do you mean by "headers" ? how are you trying to install them? |
| 15:33.32 | rmacd | stew: SOLR, Dovecot 3.x |
| 15:33.53 | stew | oh, 3.x |
| 15:34.08 | stew | I wonder if uupdate would have worked |
| 15:34.31 | rmacd | stew: Just the development headers - I could just grab it myself, but it's useful to know how to override apt in principle :) |
| 15:34.47 | stew | rmacd: how are you trying to install them? |
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| 15:35.00 | stew | dovecot-dev package? |
| 15:35.12 | a7x | may someone confirm me a kernel panic on sid? just boot in single usere mode + init=/bin/bash, mount -o remount,rw /; exit |
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| 15:35.21 | a7x | the kernel should panic |
| 15:35.25 | rmacd | stew: Install them? Yeah - that - OH! Hold on - that'll be 2.x as well. Silly me. |
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| 15:35.56 | horse | afternoon gents |
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| 15:36.10 | stew | rmacd: what might work is to use uupdate to update the debian source pacakge to 3.x, then try rebuilding that which will build all the packages the debian source package builds, like -core, -dev, -solr, etc |
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| 15:36.33 | stew | rmacd: but with a major version upgrade like that there is bound to be some needed twiddling |
| 15:36.59 | horse | i have a question, im trying to upgrade a machine from etch to lenny and then on to sqeese but lenny repositorys seem to be missing. is this still possible? |
| 15:37.33 | themill | dpkg: tell horse about lenny sources.list |
| 15:37.39 | themill | no time like the present... |
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| 15:38.25 | rmacd | stew: Never tried the uupdate route before - it'd probably be much cleaner,as it'd stick binaries etc. in Deb-friendly places, right? uupdate preserves downstream changes to conf file locations etc made by debian maintainers? |
| 15:38.26 | horse | themill - i change my sources list from etct > lenny but got 404's when trying to update |
| 15:39.17 | stew | rmacd: yes, it just sticks a new source into the debian maintainer's packaging |
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| 15:39.43 | stew | rmacd: you'll have to tend to whatever patches might exist in debian/patches, and who knows what else until you try |
| 15:39.45 | engla | horse: lenny has been archived, check debian.org |
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| 15:40.41 | stew | rmacd: you can also get the debian maintainers packaging from git: git://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/dovecot.git and use git-buildpackage to update the source |
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| 15:42.17 | rmacd | stew: That sounds quite sensible, I've pasted that into my todo for when I'll have to upgrade Dovecot again. Is that what you'd always do in that situation? |
| 15:42.27 | noecc | Am building komport2 from source on Squeeze w/KDE. Readme instructions are qmake-qt4; make; sudo make install. Make is failing with make: g++: command not found. gcc is installed. What am I missing? |
| 15:43.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay, how do I change the resolution for xorg since it seems that it's off because I just see a white stripe going vertically up when I startx |
| 15:43.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | on a blue background |
| 15:43.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | i just did a distupgrade to wheezy and it fixed the FB issue apparently Heh |
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| 15:44.48 | stew | rmacd: I'd push back on having to use something not in debian stable quite strongly first. If I really had to be building my own, I'd certainly be using debian packaging if it were available |
| 15:45.14 | stew | noecc: build-essential |
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| 15:46.18 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: xrandr is a tool to query/change resolution at runtime "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" should report what resolution it is currently using and what is availalbe. do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 15:47.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | can't open display:0 |
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| 15:47.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | and there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 15:48.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | apparently it's in /usr/share/X11 |
| 15:49.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | maybe not |
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| 15:50.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | Number of created screens does not match number of detected screens, configuration failed Error (2) |
| 15:51.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" |
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| 15:51.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | any idea why this is happening to me? :C |
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| 15:52.23 | Iridos | TehRabbitt-Work, xorg is supposed to autoconfigure you don't need an xorg.conf if it does that correctly |
| 15:52.29 | Iridos | dpkg, tell TehRabbitt-Work -about xorg.conf |
| 15:53.02 | Iridos | <-- gone |
| 15:53.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | :-| |
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| 15:53.28 | ivo888 | hi |
| 15:53.30 | ivo888 | how can i check version of Qt required for skype? |
| 15:53.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | :-| so basically i'm screwed because the gfx card is not workign right? |
| 15:54.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | it's a VIA chrome9 HC3 VX800/VX820 Integrated Graphics |
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| 15:55.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | "VIA Technologies, Inc. VX800/VX820 Chrome 9 HC3 Integrated Graphics" |
| 15:55.52 | gasull | So debian doesn't support adduser --encrypt-home <user>, even if ecryptfs-utils is installed? |
| 15:56.36 | engla | --encrypt-home doesn't sound like it belongs in adduser |
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| 15:57.08 | ska | themill and stew: ty for the security info. |
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| 15:58.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | this is what I get when I "startx":http://imgur.com/AtzS0 |
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| 16:01.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | anyone? |
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| 16:06.59 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: none of "xrandr -d :0" "xrandr -d :1" work? you have to run xrandr as the same user that ran startx, while x is still running? |
| 16:07.09 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin? |
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| 16:10.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | one sec. |
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| 16:11.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | it won't let me swtich to a 2nd console |
| 16:11.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | oh wait |
| 16:11.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | stuipid |
| 16:11.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | *stupid |
| 16:12.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | (singleuser mode) rebooting |
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| 16:21.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: xrandr failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 16:21.35 | TehRabbitt-Work | default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
| 16:21.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | 1024x768 60.0 * |
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| 16:22.26 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: that's the entire output? |
| 16:22.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | it also shows 640x480 and 800x600 |
| 16:22.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | but yes. |
| 16:23.03 | stew | I'd guess that means edid failed |
| 16:23.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | screen 0: minimum 640x480 current 1024 x 768 maximum 1024 x 768 |
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| 16:23.42 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: what did you di differently to get that output? |
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| 16:24.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | rebooted *not* in single-user mode and ran xrandr -d :0 |
| 16:24.16 | stew | wait |
| 16:24.24 | stew | no, i mean from 1 minute ago |
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| 16:24.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: no no it's the same result |
| 16:24.46 | stew | uh |
| 16:24.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | sorry :-\ can't copy paste from it |
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| 16:25.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | I was typing what the output is |
| 16:25.08 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 16:25.09 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 16:25.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | GPM doesn't work. |
| 16:25.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | it fails to start.... |
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| 16:25.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | well it starts |
| 16:25.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | but no mouse |
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| 16:25.38 | iateadonut | i'm creating some indices on a mysql database. it has slowed the entire server down to a crawl, so i stopped the query. |
| 16:25.53 | iateadonut | i have iostat running and logging, and during the query, i'm getting up to 65% io wait |
| 16:26.11 | iateadonut | are there server variables i need to change to avoid this? |
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| 16:27.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: http://paste.debian.net/171955/ |
| 16:28.04 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: is that a valid mode for your monitor? |
| 16:28.13 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: can we see the x logs? |
| 16:28.29 | stew | i'd guess that edid failed for whatever reason, dunno what there is to do about that |
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| 16:28.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | yes this monitor is native 1024x768 |
| 16:28.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | and sure, which xlogs |
| 16:29.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: http://paste.debian.net/171957/ |
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| 16:31.12 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: http://paste.debian.net/171958/ <-- Xorg log |
| 16:32.14 | noecc | stew: Bingo. Thanks |
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| 16:33.41 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: what graphics card do you have? |
| 16:33.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | ok this is weird.. |
| 16:33.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | it works using the VGA port, but not the HDMI port? |
| 16:34.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | erm |
| 16:34.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | DVI* |
| 16:34.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | sorry |
| 16:34.05 | TehRabbitt-Work | DVI doesn't work |
| 16:34.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | VGA works |
| 16:34.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | but no mouse |
| 16:34.22 | stew | I'm not surpised since you are using the VESA driver |
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| 16:34.33 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: have you run "aptitude install xorg" |
| 16:34.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | yup |
| 16:35.00 | stew | what graphics card do you have? |
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| 16:35.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | "VIA Technologies, Inc. VX800/VX820 Chrome 9 HC3 Integrated Graphics" |
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| 16:36.16 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: is that the output from lspci? |
| 16:36.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | yes |
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| 16:36.43 | stew | what is the corresponding vendorId:deviceId from "lspci -n"? |
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| 16:37.34 | TehRabbitt-Work | one sec. |
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| 16:39.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | 00:01.0 0 |
| 16:39.10 | stew | no, that's the pci bus id |
| 16:39.16 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:39.17 | stew | nevermind, i can find it |
| 16:39.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | 00:01.0 0300: 1106:1122 (rev 11) |
| 16:39.23 | stew | judd: pciname VX800/VX820 |
| 16:39.24 | judd | 'VX800/VX820' matched: [1106:1122] 'VX800/VX820 Chrome 9 HC3 Integrated Graphics' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:1353] 'VX800/VX820 Error Reporting' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:2353] 'VX800/VX820 Host Bus Control' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:4353] 'VX800/VX820 Power Management Control' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:5353] 'VX800/VX820 APIC and Central Traffic |
| 16:39.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | sorry i was typing it |
| 16:39.25 | judd | Control' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:6353] 'VX800/VX820 Scratch Registers' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:7353] 'VX800/VX820 North-South Module Interface Control' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:8353] 'VX800/VX820 Bus Control and Power Management' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:c353] 'VX800/VX820 PCI Express Root Port' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.', [1106:e353] (1 more message) |
| 16:39.36 | jelly-hme | judd: more stew |
| 16:39.37 | judd | 'VX800/VX8 |
| 16:39.49 | themill | .o0( stupid bot ) |
| 16:39.50 | LittleFoot | http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0070/7032/files/wat_grande.jpg?113123 |
| 16:39.52 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
| 16:39.53 | jelly-hme | grabs a spoon |
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| 16:40.03 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: what version of xserver-xorg-video-openchrome is installed? |
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| 16:40.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | whatever version comes with wheezy |
| 16:40.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | Heh |
| 16:40.21 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: how did you check that? |
| 16:40.35 | stew | is the viafb kernel module loaded? |
| 16:41.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: idk what version it is... I just did a dist-upgrade after installing / installed xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 16:41.10 | stew | so check what version it is |
| 16:41.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | 0_o stew.... you just fixed my FB issue I was having earlier |
| 16:41.34 | TehRabbitt-Work | x3 |
| 16:41.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | modprobe viafb fixed it.... |
| 16:41.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | wonders why it's not loading on boot |
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| 16:45.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | grr now this is weird.. |
| 16:45.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | i added viafb to /etc/modules... and now my prompt looks retarted |
| 16:46.17 | stew | if you want help with that, be more descriptive than "retarded" |
| 16:46.52 | stew | when you edit /etc/modules, consider rebuilding your initrd |
| 16:47.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: http://i.imgur.com/V5eQS.jpg |
| 16:47.54 | TehRabbitt-Work | thats as descriptive as I can get :-| lol |
| 16:48.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | that white line is the cursor |
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| 16:48.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | well, as I type it's not a small lil line, or box... it's that huge thing |
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| 16:53.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: why would the cursor do that? |
| 16:53.54 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: I don't know |
| 16:53.59 | TheWarden | How can I view all characters in a given file from the command line? I'm meaning such characters as CR (carriage return) and LF (line feed). |
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| 16:54.08 | TehRabbitt-Work | when I load it using modprobe, the cursor / screen is fine |
| 16:54.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | resolution maybe? |
| 16:54.24 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: not knowing what else to try, i'd try a different console font |
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| 16:54.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: not to be a complete idiot, but where would I change that |
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| 16:55.09 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: i don't know, but i'd check /etc/console-setup and the console-setup init script |
| 16:55.18 | stew | that stuff changes completely more often than I have to touch it |
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| 16:55.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | alrighty |
| 16:56.00 | stew | looks like /etc/default/console-setup |
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| 16:56.45 | jelly-hme | what is the recommended way to have encrypted root and swap (or a whole disk) on a modern pc with plenty of cpu and Debian testing? |
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| 16:57.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | jelly-hme: aren't you supposed to put it all inside an encrypted lvm? |
| 16:58.42 | jelly-hme | TehRabbitt-Work: I have no idea, that's why I'm asking. What does encrypted lvm mean? Encrypted PV? Separate encrypted LVs? |
| 16:59.37 | jelly-hme | how does resizing work in both cases? I'm temporarily installing on a smaller disk |
| 17:00.10 | engla | jelly-hme: I'm using a simple setup of / encrypted with dm-crypt+LUKS (cryptsetup), /boot unencrypted and no swap. I like simplicity though. |
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| 17:00.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | how i've done it in the past is i've set up one large encrypted volume size of the entire disk minus 200MB for /boot... and then inside that encrypted volume i've set up the lvm |
| 17:00.32 | engla | and no lvm |
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| 17:00.54 | jelly-hme | also: does TRIM pass thru dm-crypt |
| 17:02.56 | engla | jelly-hme: it does, with new enough versions. crypsetup 1.4 at least and then I don't know |
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| 17:04.29 | jelly-hme | now that my old disk died and it's still under warranty, I realize I'm going to send all my passwords to some low paid worker to fix and refurb it or junk it... it does not inspire confidence |
| 17:04.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: hm okay, so if I let it load viafb on boot, it screws everything all up, but if I modprobe it after boot, it seems to be *perfect* |
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| 17:05.03 | engla | ah. "Since kernel 3.1, dm-crypt devices optionally (not by default) support block discards (TRIM) commands. " |
| 17:05.10 | jelly-hme | so the replacement gets full-disk encryption or as close to that |
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| 17:06.35 | oal | Any ideas why this happens? 404 on debian security/main/contrib http://hastebin.com/hosikogacu |
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| 17:07.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay, this is what I get when I run modprobe viafb: http://paste.debian.net/171965/ |
| 17:07.21 | [TheFlash] | i installed debian |
| 17:07.26 | [TheFlash] | it's working |
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| 17:08.39 | [TheFlash] | although some of these gnome dependencies are crazy |
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| 17:08.49 | [TheFlash] | why can't I use gnome without epiphany? |
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| 17:08.56 | themill | oal: that's not the correct URL for the security updates repo |
| 17:09.01 | themill | dpkg: tell oal about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 17:10.48 | nkuttler | !tell [TheFlash] about install gnome |
| 17:10.55 | peterrooney | [TheFlash]: better question is , why can't you use epiphany without gnome? |
| 17:11.04 | oal | themill: hmm, so it's my image that comes with the wrong sources.list? Is this an old sources.list? |
| 17:11.37 | themill | oal: the installer doesn't create a sources.list like that; I have no idea who edited your sources.list to include an incorrect url. |
| 17:11.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | peterrooney: now there's an epiphany lol |
| 17:12.18 | [TheFlash] | ok, i get it now |
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| 17:12.25 | oal | Ok, themill. Hmm |
| 17:12.36 | [TheFlash] | i'm new to apt and debian packages |
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| 17:13.18 | TheWarden | Using vi editor can I some how show hidden character such as tabs, carriage returns, line feeds, etc. So far all I've found is :set list which just shows tabs and end of lines. I need to see if there is carriage returns and line feeds. |
| 17:14.02 | [TheFlash] | apparently, gnome-core requires evolution |
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| 17:15.36 | TheWarden | [TheFlash]: yes it does, I tried to remove it. |
| 17:15.47 | peterrooney | [TheFlash]: sometimes i think package maintainers group things together for the heck of it. |
| 17:15.56 | TheWarden | mmm searching online on how to view hidden characters from the command line isn't easy. |
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| 17:16.53 | [TheFlash] | lol, epiphany is still there after i removed it |
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| 17:24.34 | [TheFlash] | /usr/bin/epiphany is still present |
| 17:24.39 | [TheFlash] | even after i removed it |
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| 17:26.48 | [TheFlash] | maybe if i remove gnome entirely |
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| 17:28.13 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: is that wheezy? |
| 17:28.35 | [TheFlash] | no, squeeze |
| 17:29.01 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions conky |
| 17:29.02 | judd | Package: conky on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2+lenny1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.1-5~bpo60+1; sid: 1.9.0-2; wheezy: 1.9.0-2 |
| 17:29.15 | [TheFlash] | no conky for amd64? |
| 17:29.18 | craigevil | aptitude purge epiphany;aptitude purge ~c |
| 17:29.18 | [TheFlash] | :( |
| 17:29.58 | craigevil | then run updatedb as root, it is probably still showing it because the locate db hasnt been updated |
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| 17:30.06 | [TheFlash] | craigevil: that commands wants to remove everything |
| 17:30.14 | [TheFlash] | i can still run epiphany |
| 17:30.39 | themill | /usr/bin/epiphany is not in the "epiphany" package. |
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| 17:30.55 | ompaul | epiphany-browser |
| 17:31.04 | ompaul | epiphany-browser is the package |
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| 17:31.37 | [TheFlash] | ompaul: that did it, thanks |
| 17:31.44 | craigevil | ah right epiphany is a game |
| 17:32.33 | [TheFlash] | i'm curious why conky isn't in the repositories |
| 17:32.48 | themill | [TheFlash]: it is |
| 17:32.56 | [TheFlash] | themill: not for amd64 |
| 17:33.09 | themill | ,v conky --arch amd64 |
| 17:33.10 | judd | Package: conky on amd64 -- lenny: 1.6.0-2+lenny1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.1-5~bpo60+1; sid: 1.9.0-2; wheezy: 1.9.0-2 |
| 17:33.32 | [TheFlash] | i'm getting "E: Unable to locate package conky" |
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| 17:33.55 | themill | dpkg: tell [TheFlash] about bdo |
| 17:34.32 | tapout | dpkg: tell tapout about bdo |
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| 17:35.42 | [TheFlash] | themill: still no conky |
| 17:36.08 | themill | umm... then whatever you just did you didn't do correctly. What did you just do? |
| 17:36.31 | [TheFlash] | themill: i added the backports line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:36.48 | [TheFlash] | themill: and i used -t squeeze-backports |
| 17:36.50 | themill | and ran "aptitude update"? |
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| 17:37.17 | [TheFlash] | themill: no, hmm... |
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| 17:37.25 | [TheFlash] | themill: is there any manual for using apt? |
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| 17:37.46 | themill | [TheFlash]: sure, apt-get and aptitude both have man pages. The backports instructions page also told you to do that. |
| 17:37.49 | nsadmin | you have to do that after altering sources.list for the changes you make there to take effect |
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| 17:51.45 | GeneralStupid | Hi, ive got an Asus EEEPC and the LAN is not working, its an atheros 8121/8113/8114 and the ath5k didnt work |
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| 17:52.28 | nsadmin | GeneralStupid, got the firmware? |
| 17:52.33 | dvs | GeneralStupid: Get a backported kernel |
| 17:52.42 | dvs | atheros doesnt need firmware |
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| 17:53.33 | s70rm | how many people are using versuin 6 |
| 17:54.03 | nsadmin | 98273492749723846273564872634973450893495. |
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| 17:54.12 | nkuttler | what's versuin? |
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| 17:54.22 | cedr | isn't that more than the people on earth |
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| 17:55.17 | craigevil | debian is the Universal OS, it is used on other planets and other dimensions :) |
| 17:55.29 | nsadmin | ok, you got me... I don't actually know |
| 17:55.41 | dvs | goes to planet Mongo and checks |
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| 17:57.33 | nsadmin | s70rm, if you are, at least 1. |
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| 17:58.21 | nsadmin | what is it you really want to know? |
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| 18:04.20 | igel | I'm looking for a backup program for lenny that can backup the entire system. It should not be mondo (hard to install). The idea is that if I screw up an update, I can just copy everything right back. |
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| 18:07.41 | nsadmin | igel, how many partitions? are you dual (or more) booting? |
| 18:08.42 | nsadmin | what media do you want to back up onto? |
| 18:08.49 | igel | I'm not dual booting. There's only oe partition: / |
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| 18:08.58 | craigevil | igel, any particular reason you are still running lenny? |
| 18:08.58 | igel | I have a backup drive mounted, I'd like to copy to it. |
| 18:09.21 | nsadmin | you can use tar |
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| 18:09.26 | GeneralStupid | dvs: i use testing |
| 18:09.28 | igel | craigevil: Nah. We installed the server when Lenny came out. Now it's time to update :) |
| 18:09.35 | GeneralStupid | nsadmin: how to get the firmware ? |
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| 18:09.57 | nsadmin | GeneralStupid, dvs said atheros doesn't need firmware |
| 18:10.10 | dvs | nope |
| 18:10.14 | GeneralStupid | ok |
| 18:10.24 | GeneralStupid | but whats wrong, the ath5k is loaded |
| 18:10.29 | igel | nsadmin: Meh. tar doesn't know which directories are magic. A proper backup tool should exclude /proc by itself. |
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| 18:10.38 | dvs | checks to make doubly sure |
| 18:10.41 | craigevil | install a newer kernel from backports, then reboot |
| 18:10.56 | nsadmin | igel, true. --one-file-system |
| 18:11.19 | GeneralStupid | im using 3.2.0 |
| 18:11.46 | dvs | oh, there is firmware but not for the ath5k |
| 18:11.46 | stew | GeneralStupid: unload the module, reload it, and check dmesg for errors? |
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| 18:11.58 | GeneralStupid | stew: wait a mom |
| 18:11.59 | nsadmin | GeneralStupid, show uname -r |
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| 18:12.49 | GeneralStupid | nothing in dmesg |
| 18:12.59 | nsadmin | ok, ifconfig -a |
| 18:13.04 | stew | nothing? or no obvious errors? |
| 18:13.10 | GeneralStupid | uname -r is exactly 3.2.0-2-486 |
| 18:13.15 | GeneralStupid | stew: nothinf |
| 18:13.20 | GeneralStupid | no ifconfig, its the install cd |
| 18:13.29 | nsadmin | hmm. what's your cpu? |
| 18:13.34 | GeneralStupid | cant install without network ... |
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| 18:13.43 | craigevil | GeneralStupid, http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and/or http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 18:13.55 | schultza | how do i install freepbx on debian? |
| 18:13.59 | GeneralStupid | Intel Celeron 900 Mhz |
| 18:14.37 | gohkesh | Schultza: pay me and ill do that for u |
| 18:14.38 | dvs | ath9k is a wireless adapter |
| 18:14.43 | GeneralStupid | Ok, the ath5k is wireless too ? |
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| 18:14.55 | schultza | i need to learn.. sorry |
| 18:15.10 | GeneralStupid | I also tried to get the rtl8187 working, but didnt work too |
| 18:15.11 | gohkesh | Dont l |
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| 18:15.23 | nsadmin | you might be able to install a 686 kernel |
| 18:15.35 | gohkesh | Atheros drivers are hard to work on debian |
| 18:15.51 | dvs | ath5k is wireless too |
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| 18:16.49 | GeneralStupid | lspci said, 1 Ethernet Controller (Atheros) and 1 Network Controller (RTL8187SE) |
| 18:17.14 | GeneralStupid | The Atheros i have is LAN , its AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 |
| 18:17.16 | nsadmin | do you want the wired or wireless? |
| 18:17.17 | dvs | that's neither a 5 or a 9 |
| 18:17.55 | dvs | that's a realtek! |
| 18:18.09 | GeneralStupid | nsadmin: for installation, wired first |
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| 18:18.44 | nsadmin | could you show the same thing with lspci -nn? |
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| 18:19.32 | GeneralStupid | nsadmin: do you need something exactly? i dont know how to copy it , :) now its on the eeepc, but its like i sait |
| 18:19.35 | GeneralStupid | said |
| 18:19.56 | nsadmin | the thing that looks like [1234:abcd] |
| 18:19.57 | stew | GeneralStupid: the vendorid:deviceid string which is somehting like 1234:A1A3 |
| 18:19.58 | craigevil | schultza, http://www.freepbx.org/support/documentation/installation/install-process-for-debian |
| 18:19.58 | dvs | GeneralStupid: yes, you need that ####:#### exactly |
| 18:19.59 | gohkesh | (gohkesh) I've got to pee, I'll be back in a minute |
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| 18:20.24 | stew | !tell gohkesh about away |
| 18:20.32 | dvs | ew |
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| 18:21.16 | wm4 | what firefox version does iceweasel 10.0.4 correspond to? |
| 18:21.23 | stew | wm4: 10.0.4 |
| 18:21.37 | GeneralStupid | dvs: 1961:1026 |
| 18:21.41 | wm4 | ok, where is the newest firefox version packaged (possibly rebranded as iceweasel)? |
| 18:21.45 | stew | judd pciid 1961:1026 |
| 18:21.46 | judd | [1961:1026] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1961:1026 |
| 18:21.50 | stew | wm4: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:22.10 | gohkesh | Is iceweasel 12 availabe at testing or unstable or other fuckin repos? |
| 18:22.11 | wm4 | stew: thank you |
| 18:22.30 | GeneralStupid | judd pciid 1969:1026 |
| 18:22.31 | judd | [1969:1026] is 'AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'atl1e' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1026 |
| 18:22.42 | wm4 | oh well, it wants me to use debian experimental |
| 18:22.44 | GeneralStupid | i typed the wrong thing ... im sorry |
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| 18:22.51 | stew | wm4: no, it doens't |
| 18:22.59 | craigevil | ,versions iceweasel |
| 18:23.00 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.4esr-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.4esr-2; sid: 10.0.4esr-3; experimental: 12.0-7 |
| 18:23.02 | wm4 | stew: I'm on unstable |
| 18:23.03 | SilverWolfXIII | ok new to debian and linux here |
| 18:23.06 | dvs | after we said exact? |
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| 18:23.22 | stew | wm4: oh, then yeah that's not surprising |
| 18:23.25 | GeneralStupid | dvs: sorry ... |
| 18:23.35 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, what do you want to do? |
| 18:23.36 | craigevil | wm4, if you are running sid, then yes use exp to install iw 23 |
| 18:23.45 | craigevil | whoops iw 12 |
| 18:23.53 | SilverWolfXIII | managed to wipe my win 7 install like a tard setting up my partition for debian install |
| 18:24.06 | SilverWolfXIII | i dont really know what i want to do just learning |
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| 18:24.13 | stew | SilverWolfXIII: you mean "like a winner!" |
| 18:24.16 | nsadmin | ok, do you still want win 7? |
| 18:24.24 | SilverWolfXIII | lol sure |
| 18:24.28 | gohkesh | Like a retard, lol |
| 18:24.34 | SilverWolfXIII | cept this install is on my gaming pc |
| 18:24.47 | GeneralStupid | nsadmin: so i need to use atl1e Module ? |
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| 18:24.51 | LittleFoot | hay trolls |
| 18:25.03 | nsadmin | GeneralStupid, give it a shot |
| 18:25.08 | gohkesh | Loser, u cant play games with debian |
| 18:25.13 | SilverWolfXIII | and well linux dont support those games and i wanted to see what debian 64bit looked like on my pc |
| 18:25.17 | LittleFoot | ya u can |
| 18:25.19 | LittleFoot | stupido |
| 18:25.23 | craigevil | !ops trolls gohkesh |
| 18:25.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: craigevil complains about: trolls gohkesh |
| 18:25.29 | SilverWolfXIII | not the fps games i play |
| 18:25.43 | stew | gohkesh: i'm not sure who you are calling Loser, but you should stop that |
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| 18:26.16 | stew | gohkesh: and yes, saying stuff which is obviously wrong like "you can't play games on debian" is going to quickly get you labelled as a troll as we are already seeing |
| 18:26.32 | SilverWolfXIII | point is i am curious on how the debian64bit will run on a gtx 550ti with 8gb 1333 ram and a 3.2ghz quad core |
| 18:26.42 | GeneralStupid | nsadmin: i did, nothing happens, no dmesg no ip address show (lo is there but no eth) |
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| 18:27.04 | craigevil | stew, it was the "retard" followed by "loser" , neither one of which served any purpose |
| 18:27.06 | gohkesh | Stew famous companies dont release their games for linux |
| 18:27.12 | nsadmin | GeneralStupid, that part sounds good... now run ifconfig -a |
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| 18:27.24 | nsadmin | you'll see paragraphs and labels |
| 18:27.26 | stew | gohkesh: ok, in any case, lets keep the conversation constructive please |
| 18:27.32 | nsadmin | what are all the labels? |
| 18:27.34 | stew | GeneralStupid: is there an eth0 listed when you run "/sbin/ifconfig -a" |
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| 18:28.31 | nsadmin | gohkesh, id software famous enough? |
| 18:29.04 | GeneralStupid | stew: there is no ifconfig in sbin |
| 18:29.14 | stew | GeneralStupid: how about "ip link" |
| 18:29.17 | mjt | but there's /bin/ip link |
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| 18:29.33 | schultza | n |
| 18:29.52 | schultza | id software does release their games for linux.. you still need to buy the disk for the data, and then download the installer for linux |
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| 18:30.02 | GeneralStupid | same as ip address show , only lo |
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| 18:30.33 | wm4 | haha, like always, I'll have to find out how to revert certain new "features" in a new firefox version |
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| 18:30.35 | gohkesh | Does one simply walk into Mordor? |
| 18:30.55 | stew | gohkesh: let's keep it on-topic please |
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| 18:31.11 | gohkesh | Ok. Sorry. |
| 18:31.16 | mjt | guys, how to stop all the desktop environment from displaying windows partitions on the desktop? |
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| 18:32.12 | GNU\colossus | mjt, I think that depends on the DE installed. with XFCE, you can do that in Settings -> Desktop -> Icons |
| 18:32.34 | GNU\colossus | I don't know how you'd do with other DEs, but iirc, KDE can do that in a similar fashion |
| 18:32.36 | mjt | i can hide the corresponding partitions, but in that case windows is unable to boot. |
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| 18:33.05 | GNU\colossus | mjt, ah, so you want to remove inidivdual icons/entries only? |
| 18:33.06 | mjt | it should be some system policy, no? |
| 18:33.09 | mjt | yes |
| 18:33.14 | GNU\colossus | have you tried removing them from fstab? |
| 18:33.20 | mjt | they're not in fstab |
| 18:33.24 | GNU\colossus | hm, strange |
| 18:33.34 | mjt | it is udisks discovering all partitions |
| 18:33.41 | mjt | and making the info available over dbus |
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| 18:34.24 | nsadmin | so then it's udisks, as the source of the info, that you could look at |
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| 18:35.24 | mjt | the thing is that all this stuff -- udisks, dbus, consolekit, ... - is a large black box for me. No matter how I tried I weren't able to understand it. |
| 18:36.08 | wm4 | mjt: but you showed some understanding of them further up |
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| 18:36.24 | mjt | heh. lots of questions of that sort found by google, but no answwers :) |
| 18:36.41 | nsadmin | hmm, which doesn't look like it can filter based on partition type |
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| 18:36.50 | Guest59862 | hello |
| 18:37.17 | mjt | nsadmin: it shouldn't, since most usb flash sticks uses the same partition type ;) |
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| 18:38.15 | mjt | the main thing is /lib/udev/rules.d/80-udisks.rules, apparently |
| 18:38.36 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, it will probably run pretty well.... you could try a live cd |
| 18:38.52 | nsadmin | GeneralStupid, hmm, let's see |
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| 18:40.26 | SilverWolfXIII | i did and it performed well |
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| 18:40.41 | SilverWolfXIII | just slower i would think than actuall install |
| 18:41.05 | nsadmin | accessing the CD a lot? |
| 18:41.11 | SilverWolfXIII | i chose the graphical desktop for the install to start |
| 18:41.15 | SilverWolfXIII | yea |
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| 18:41.34 | n-iCe | 's back |
| 18:41.47 | dvs | hides |
| 18:41.58 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, does that answer your original question? |
| 18:42.27 | SilverWolfXIII | yea for the most part i just want to get the most out of this new experience as poss |
| 18:42.58 | SilverWolfXIII | does the install always take over an hour? |
| 18:43.05 | nsadmin | you handy with commandline stuff? |
| 18:43.19 | SilverWolfXIII | learning command |
| 18:43.31 | SilverWolfXIII | my friend is bringing me into this world |
| 18:43.37 | mjt | hm. So, 80-udisks.rules expots/presents all partitions (except of things like windows recovery partitions), so this includes all linux native partitions/filesystems too. Yet desktop environments don't display these, they only display windows partitions here. I wonder how that decisison is made and by whom... |
| 18:43.42 | SilverWolfXIII | 3days new to xchat |
| 18:44.15 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, hi to friend. having said that, do you want to be in this world? |
| 18:44.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay, so the 1,000,000 dollar question.... how do I prevent my system from turning off the screen using IceWM? |
| 18:44.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | after 10 min of idle it shuts off |
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| 18:44.31 | SilverWolfXIII | i want to learn everything that i can |
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| 18:45.13 | SilverWolfXIII | i built an old pentium 4 for UBUNTU 11.04 yesterday to get started |
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| 18:45.41 | nsadmin | ok, how was that? |
| 18:45.42 | SilverWolfXIII | i know windows, but i really want to know linux |
| 18:45.59 | SilverWolfXIII | good so far its what im using right now and i like it so far |
| 18:46.01 | nsadmin | you do? ok, good enuf |
| 18:46.19 | nsadmin | what has you thinking about debian? |
| 18:46.43 | SilverWolfXIII | my buddie and its the only distro so far that will load on my gaming pc |
| 18:47.16 | SilverWolfXIII | rather it be 32bit or 64 its the only one..... |
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| 18:51.52 | nsadmin | ok... so, there's a lot of new hardware there? |
| 18:52.22 | SilverWolfXIII | yea all but the hard drives is fairly new |
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| 18:53.02 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: There must be a setting for that in IceWM |
| 18:53.05 | nsadmin | about new hardware... |
| 18:53.18 | SilverWolfXIII | the UBUNTU 11.04 and 12.01 was locking up on live cd boot and then my vid card was getting really hot |
| 18:53.44 | nsadmin | if (say) a chipset is really really new, it's possible that no one in linux has written a driver for it |
| 18:54.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: I can't find icewm settings |
| 18:54.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
| 18:54.08 | SilverWolfXIII | its a amd phenom ii x4 840 |
| 18:54.26 | SilverWolfXIII | socket am3 |
| 18:54.30 | nsadmin | video card getting hot? does that happen under win? |
| 18:54.32 | stew | TehRabbitt-Work: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 18:54.46 | SilverWolfXIII | no 50 to 60c under high load |
| 18:54.55 | SilverWolfXIII | max at 100c |
| 18:55.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | stew: (12:26:12 PM) dpkg: i haven't a clue |
| 18:55.08 | SilverWolfXIII | it never goes far over 60c though |
| 18:55.17 | nsadmin | and how hot when under ubuntu? |
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| 18:55.30 | SilverWolfXIII | dunno never booted all the way on live |
| 18:55.37 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 18:55.45 | nsadmin | but you did try a debian live? |
| 18:55.54 | SilverWolfXIII | i would just freeze up and my vid card would start winding the fan up |
| 18:55.55 | stew | dpkg: tell TehRabbitt-Work about screen blanking |
| 18:56.03 | SilverWolfXIII | yea and it loaded fine |
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| 18:56.15 | nsadmin | and the vid card fan? |
| 18:56.17 | SilverWolfXIII | the UBUNTU 10.10 loads fin too |
| 18:56.31 | SilverWolfXIII | no overheat |
| 18:57.01 | nsadmin | ok... so if I understand you correctly, your purpose right now is to learn something new |
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| 18:57.08 | SilverWolfXIII | yes |
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| 18:57.40 | nsadmin | were you the one who said you screwed up your win7? |
| 18:57.44 | SilverWolfXIII | i want something graphic oriented for my pwoerful desktop for graphic dev and the older pc ima use for command |
| 18:57.50 | SilverWolfXIII | yea |
| 18:58.01 | SilverWolfXIII | i erased my hd somehow with partition |
| 18:58.14 | nsadmin | ok, I would suggest, that if you want win, you install that back first |
| 18:58.16 | SilverWolfXIII | no biggie just have to reinstall win 7 |
| 18:58.28 | nsadmin | so, install win first |
| 18:58.32 | SilverWolfXIII | ok |
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| 18:58.51 | SilverWolfXIII | prob should make my partitions then huh? |
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| 18:59.17 | nsadmin | yeah, so you're really sure they're totally screwed? |
| 18:59.24 | SilverWolfXIII | yea |
| 18:59.41 | SilverWolfXIII | no biggie i had nothing but os installed so thats easy to redo |
| 18:59.56 | nsadmin | and, I suppose savegames? |
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| 19:00.21 | SilverWolfXIII | no saved on another drive :D |
| 19:00.31 | nsadmin | oh, good... |
| 19:00.39 | SilverWolfXIII | i use a backup drive for my docs and what not |
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| 19:00.51 | nkuttler | what's a backup drive? |
| 19:00.53 | nsadmin | ok, well, I'd say go for it |
| 19:00.57 | SilverWolfXIII | so i never loose them i like to play with things too much to risk that |
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| 19:01.43 | SilverWolfXIII | am i good to stop the debian install and start over |
| 19:01.56 | SilverWolfXIII | or is that gonna screw something |
| 19:02.07 | nsadmin | what was the last thing you did? |
| 19:02.27 | SilverWolfXIII | its installing right now at 19% |
| 19:02.42 | SilverWolfXIII | the select and install software stage |
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| 19:03.41 | peterrooney | SilverWolfXIII: Windows installers will not respect any decisions you make about your bootloader, thus, you must install Windows first. |
| 19:03.48 | SilverWolfXIII | i know if i hard kill a win os install it resumes from where it was interupted |
| 19:04.06 | SilverWolfXIII | i know that but can i hard kill the debian install to start over |
| 19:04.20 | SilverWolfXIII | is that safe |
| 19:04.25 | stew | not "must" but it certainly is easier to isntall windows first |
| 19:04.33 | nsadmin | btw, here's why I suggest win first: win is going to establish its bootup setup, and won't look for or honor other operating systems it finds... when debian establishes its boot, it -will- look for other oses, and I can tell you it works since I run win7 on my laptop |
| 19:04.36 | stew | SilverWolfXIII: the debian installer will not attempt to resume from where it was intererupted |
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| 19:05.13 | SilverWolfXIII | ok but it will hurt nothing to shut it dow hard |
| 19:05.35 | nsadmin | no, you would just start over after installing win |
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| 19:05.52 | SilverWolfXIII | ok cool thanks so much guys |
| 19:06.17 | nsadmin | welcome. now, here's some other stuff you should eventually get into... |
| 19:06.22 | peterrooney | SilverWolfXIII: no problem. I don't enjoy watching people lose their own time. |
| 19:06.28 | SilverWolfXIII | lol |
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| 19:06.40 | SilverWolfXIII | whats that nsadmin |
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| 19:07.15 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.27 | SilverWolfXIII | ok |
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| 19:07.53 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.16 | SilverWolfXIII | python is one of the areas my buddie is starting me in |
| 19:08.56 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.43 | SilverWolfXIII | oh cool |
| 19:09.50 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.32 | SilverWolfXIII | lol |
| 19:10.46 | SilverWolfXIII | whats this outside thing you speak of |
| 19:11.00 | SilverWolfXIII | is that that bright place |
| 19:11.19 | nsadmin | yeah, the place where girls are |
| 19:11.35 | SilverWolfXIII | but i have a hot massage therapist one in here |
| 19:12.02 | SilverWolfXIII | so everything i need is in my batcave |
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| 19:12.19 | nsadmin | well good enuf then! |
| 19:12.22 | SilverWolfXIII | lol |
| 19:12.26 | nvz | can I interest you two in a room? perhaps with a vibrating bed? |
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| 19:12.36 | absentia | used apt-get install git -- but it's not in my path |
| 19:12.39 | absentia | where did it get installed to? |
| 19:12.40 | SilverWolfXIII | and the delivery dragons bring offerings of pizza and soda |
| 19:12.45 | absentia | how can I ask apt-get where packages are? |
| 19:12.46 | absentia | thanks |
| 19:12.55 | dondelelcaro | SilverWolfXIII: #debian-offtopic is that way, please. |
| 19:12.57 | stew | absentia: what do you mean by "where"? |
| 19:13.03 | absentia | jesus |
| 19:13.03 | nvz | absentia: dpkg -L package |
| 19:13.04 | dondelelcaro | absentia: dpkg -L foopkg; will show what got installed |
| 19:13.09 | absentia | git |
| 19:13.09 | absentia | git: Command not found. |
| 19:13.13 | SilverWolfXIII | srry about that |
| 19:13.14 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, you may wish to read the lable on the sodas |
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| 19:13.30 | nsadmin | suprisingly intense amounts of sugar |
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| 19:13.46 | SilverWolfXIII | yea |
| 19:14.00 | stew | absentia: if you are meaning to ask "which package could I install to get $somefile": /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:14.04 | Kostic | Greetings, I am using Debian 7 and I forgot the name of the package which I need to install to be able to use my intex yamaha something sound card... What is the name? Alsa something... |
| 19:14.09 | stew | absentia: or more general: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:14.14 | nsadmin | so... stick around if you want, people will be around to help with the install |
| 19:14.17 | absentia | -L doesn't tell me where the bin is |
| 19:14.25 | absentia | it tells me a bunch of crap like /share and /share/bug |
| 19:14.28 | SilverWolfXIII | so i have the partitions im gonna need for debian install set aside now all i have to do is set a write casch to one and install on the other right |
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| 19:14.43 | stew | absentia: "dpkg -L packagename | grep bin" if the package is already installed |
| 19:14.44 | absentia | I tested it on apache2 and it didn't tell me /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 19:15.05 | stew | absentia: becauase /usr/sbin/apache2 is in a different pacakge |
| 19:15.08 | emerson_1 | how can I switch on the wireless ? |
| 19:15.08 | nvz | absentia: it tells you exactly what the package installed |
| 19:15.20 | absentia | dpkg -L git | grep bin |
| 19:15.21 | dpkg | ii git | grep bin 2.6-14 absentia's private porn collection |
| 19:15.30 | absentia | apt-get install git |
| 19:15.30 | absentia | git is already the newest version. |
| 19:15.43 | emerson_1 | my laptop is core i5 |
| 19:15.48 | nsadmin | stew, is that actually what the binary is called? not, for example, httpd? |
| 19:15.51 | absentia | just trying to install git on a debian system |
| 19:15.51 | absentia | people |
| 19:15.58 | absentia | what command/magic do I do to get git on my system? |
| 19:16.00 | stew | nsadmin: yes, it is called /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 19:16.06 | dondelelcaro | absentia: then what does ls -l /usr/bin/git; output? |
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| 19:16.15 | nsadmin | absentia, so git is got |
| 19:16.29 | stew | absentia: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:16.33 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.40 | absentia | 5.0.6 ? |
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| 19:16.56 | absentia | how can you tell what version? |
| 19:16.57 | emerson_1 | how can I turn on the wireless... |
| 19:17.08 | absentia | that's one of those things that's never been standardized across unix, right ? |
| 19:17.15 | emerson_1 | I don't have the right drivers... |
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| 19:17.22 | dondelelcaro | absentia: apt-get --reinstall install git; lsb_release -a; |
| 19:17.25 | stew | absentia: in that old, and no longer supported version of debian, the package you want might be git-core, not git |
| 19:17.36 | nsadmin | emerson_1, you don't? so first you would find which driver you need |
| 19:17.39 | absentia | debian_version says 5.0.10 |
| 19:17.49 | nvz | emerson_1: how about being more specific instead of repeating useless information. What wireless card are you using? |
| 19:17.50 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, it probably is git-core |
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| 19:18.14 | nvz | emerson_1: paste output of lspci and/or dmesg to paste.debian.net |
| 19:18.25 | stew | absentia: it would be recommended that you consider upgrading to the current version of debian by following chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 19:18.33 | emerson_1 | realtek RTL8188CE |
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| 19:18.37 | nsadmin | and use lapci -nn |
| 19:18.45 | nsadmin | lspci -nn |
| 19:18.55 | absentia | http://pastebin.com/H7FkHetq |
| 19:19.17 | peterrooney | absentia: apt-file is useful for this - atp-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search git ; # followed by apt-file search bin/git when you realize that's more than you wanted right away |
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| 19:19.37 | absentia | stew: ya, I get that alot... every time I want to install 1 package -- I'm told to upgrade to the latest system. makes you wonder how any of these old systems are released... when you always have to upgrade to the latest to get anything to work, eh? |
| 19:19.41 | Kostic | Hey guys, do you know the name of the package or_ |
| 19:19.44 | nvz | emerson_1: you will need to enable non-free sources and install firmware-realtek |
| 19:19.44 | Kostic | *? |
| 19:19.52 | absentia | whih git still can't find git |
| 19:19.57 | absentia | is there another name for git? |
| 19:20.05 | stew | absentia: git-core is the pacakge you want |
| 19:20.10 | nsadmin | we're thinking git-core |
| 19:20.15 | Doobie-420 | git-core |
| 19:20.16 | emerson_1 | nvz: how can I do that...? |
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| 19:20.52 | nsadmin | emerson_1, try lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 19:21.09 | absentia | so frustrating -- http://pastebin.com/9LPMgf7k |
| 19:21.11 | stew | absentia: the major version you are running was released in 2009 |
| 19:21.15 | nvz | emerson_1: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib non-free" after your main deb http//ftp.us.debian.org/ squeeze main line then apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 19:21.15 | absentia | stew: THANK YOU! |
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| 19:21.37 | absentia | stew: yes, I upgraded from ... o god.. what was the name.. |
| 19:21.50 | nsadmin | absentia, you'll want to think about upgrading again :) |
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| 19:22.03 | nsadmin | , codenames |
| 19:22.05 | nvz | emerson_1: you would also need wireless-tools if not already installed |
| 19:22.05 | absentia | from redhate enigma :-) |
| 19:22.09 | absentia | er, rehat |
| 19:22.13 | absentia | redhat |
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| 19:22.21 | emerson_1 | nvz: like ...? |
| 19:22.31 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.33 | absentia | nsadmin and rest of the channel -- it's not my machine... it's a colocated machine and I get the OS that the provider provides, ya know? |
| 19:22.50 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 19:22.58 | absentia | at least they upgraded me from redhat 7.2 (that wa a REALLY compatible OS, let me tell you) ... to this os... I couldn't even compile the latest GCC suite on enigma |
| 19:23.00 | nvz | emerson_1: are you using a desktop environment? |
| 19:23.00 | peterrooney | sheds a tear for absentia |
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| 19:23.28 | nsadmin | nvz, on his remote? |
| 19:23.37 | TheWarden | How can I insert a carriage return in Vi editor or using GHex? I've noticed my line endings in a file are LF and I need to add a CR (0d) before LF (0a). |
| 19:23.58 | nvz | nsadmin: idk what you're talking about |
| 19:24.03 | absentia | dpkg -l | egrep -i hg |
| 19:24.04 | dpkg | ii | egrep -i hg 1.2-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:24.09 | absentia | dpkg -l | egrep -i mercurial |
| 19:24.09 | dpkg | ii | egrep -i mercurial 1.2-15 absentia's private gamp collection |
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| 19:24.12 | absentia | no hg-core |
| 19:24.12 | absentia | :-< |
| 19:24.14 | nsadmin | TheWarden, so you need msdos text file? you can postprocess |
| 19:24.16 | absentia | thought I had this figured out. |
| 19:24.28 | themill | absentia: dpkg -l is not a way to search for packages |
| 19:24.31 | themill | dpkg: tell absentia about search |
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| 19:24.35 | stew | absentia: its called mercurial |
| 19:24.46 | absentia | thanks |
| 19:24.51 | absentia | guess this ain't google :-) |
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| 19:25.13 | stew | absentia: it being called git-core in the version you are running its just an artifact that there was already a git package which long predated the conception of the VCS of the same name. they have since been renamed |
| 19:25.14 | TheWarden | nsadmin: well yeah basically.... I have the file already I just need to add the CR character before LF |
| 19:25.16 | nsadmin | nvz, oh, ENICK, nm |
| 19:25.21 | aezoc | Anyone know why the libboost-timer-dev package isn't included in the squeeze suite? It's in wheezy and sid. |
| 19:25.38 | nsadmin | TheWarden, on all lines in the file? |
| 19:25.49 | absentia | I had to do apache2-core too, I think... and a bunch of -dev packages |
| 19:25.58 | TheWarden | nsadmin: how are you suggesting I do this? yes all lines |
| 19:25.59 | absentia | just to get standard stuff... it's like a f'n easter egg hunt |
| 19:26.03 | stew | absentia: if this is a colocated server that implies that it is likely to be publicly networked, which means there is all the more reason to upgrade, as the number of known, unpatched vulnerabilities for that system is monotonically increasing |
| 19:26.08 | themill | TheWarden: perhaps you want something like unix2dos; /msg dpkg unix2dos |
| 19:26.21 | TheWarden | you would think one could input this via Vi editor or GHex (a hex editor). |
| 19:26.28 | absentia | stew: I was running an 11 yr old os prior to this... I think this is a huge upgrade. |
| 19:26.34 | absentia | you're welcome to scan my box, if you want. |
| 19:26.42 | absentia | 14:24 < stew> absentia: its called mercurial |
| 19:26.45 | absentia | still no match.. |
| 19:26.49 | themill | TheWarden: you can, Ctrl+V in insert mode, followed by Ctrl+M or Ctrl+J |
| 19:27.24 | stew | absentia: it is called mercurial, I can assure you of that, if you are having trouble installing it, tell us what command you are running and what error you are getting |
| 19:27.25 | absentia | ok, apt-cache found it |
| 19:27.28 | themill | absentia: "dpkg -l" is still not the right way to search for packages. |
| 19:27.59 | absentia | apt-cache found it. |
| 19:28.07 | nsadmin | TheWarden, you can cat thisFile | unix2dos > theNewFile && mv theNewFile thisFile |
| 19:28.15 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.18 | themill | hands nsadmin a uuoc award |
| 19:28.24 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.25 | stew | absentia: the upgrade procedure is very well tested and very thoroughly documented, it should not be worse than dealing with the aftermath of having the box rooted |
| 19:28.28 | absentia | hahah... LOVE that path. |
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| 19:28.58 | stew | absentia: note that /usr/X11R6 is just a symlink to /usr |
| 19:28.58 | themill | absentia: you should clean up your PATH settings while you're doing the upgrade. |
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| 19:29.11 | absentia | stew: maybe... luckily, I don't have to deal with internet security crap anymore. got tired of that game years ago. |
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| 19:29.16 | nsadmin | themill, easier to read, easier to understand, easier to teach |
| 19:29.26 | absentia | stew: that's messed up. |
| 19:30.03 | DuxB | I overclocked my processor in bios, but debian isn't utilizing the faster available speed, how do I fix this? |
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| 19:30.06 | absentia | path's fairly clean... been working just fine for 18 years... no need to change now. |
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| 19:30.27 | TheWarden | themill: can't located unix2dos but I found tofrodos. |
| 19:30.29 | themill | absentia: well, the path you are laughing at is as a result of your local settings. |
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| 19:30.55 | SLot | /clear |
| 19:30.56 | themill | TheWarden: sure, that's what dpkg said. |
| 19:31.13 | TheWarden | themill: so what does CTRL+V do? CTRL+M inserts CR and CTRL+J inserts LF |
| 19:31.26 | TheWarden | nsadmin: interesting, thanks. |
| 19:31.42 | absentia | is unix2dos anything more than a wrapper around a single tr statement? \015 to \012 ? |
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| 19:32.05 | absentia | (dos2unix) |
| 19:32.22 | stew | absentia: that sounds like mac2unix |
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| 19:32.39 | absentia | mac is even worse |
| 19:32.43 | nsadmin | absentia, right, but it's one char -> two chars |
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| 19:33.24 | absentia | ah. whatever. I do it all in emacs :-) |
| 19:33.46 | nsadmin | that could literally be true... |
| 19:34.07 | DuxB | does anybody else overclock? |
| 19:34.20 | stew | DuxB: I'm sure a lot of people do |
| 19:34.53 | absentia | honestly, 200Mhz and 640KB was enough for me. wait... what? |
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| 19:35.13 | DuxB | stew: can anybody tell me why my bios says I'm running at 3.20ghz and debian says my max is 2.66? |
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| 19:35.38 | DuxB | and by debian, I mean cpufreq |
| 19:35.43 | themill | absentia: dos2unix can always be persuaded to deal with encoding issues. |
| 19:36.01 | emerson_1 | nvz: can I do that without use internet...because I don't have access to any cable... |
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| 19:37.03 | emerson_1 | nvz: can I go straight to the repository and download...and install using dpkg |
| 19:37.53 | themill | nsadmin: so you really claim that "cat thisFile | unix2dos > theNewFile && mv theNewFile thisfile" is easier than "unix2dos thisfile"? You have a very very interesting view of "easier to understand". |
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| 19:38.38 | DuxB | anybody know anything about cpufreq? |
| 19:38.47 | mdhopkins | newbie here. my lack of linux server expertise has really been hurting me lately. would someone please recommend a very thorough, difficult trial by fire that will result in me being much better prepared to work with it? |
| 19:38.51 | nvz | emerson_1: sure I suppose.. I doubt the firmware package has any dependencies |
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| 19:39.53 | absentia | how many bogomips do you get? |
| 19:40.01 | nsadmin | themill, I didn't know it could be used like that, and the way I showed, reveals more about the shell and about unix |
| 19:40.21 | nsadmin | how long did it take you to come up with that btw? |
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| 19:40.33 | themill | nsadmin: umm... about 0s. |
| 19:40.40 | stew | sounds about right |
| 19:40.46 | themill | I, unlike you, actually know what I'm talking about sometimes. |
| 19:40.48 | DuxB | mdhopkins: do you have a virtual machine with linux installed that you can break until it works right? |
| 19:40.49 | nsadmin | not according to your response time |
| 19:40.51 | dondelelcaro | points out the utility of sponge |
| 19:41.09 | themill | nsadmin: who'd have thought that I was busy with other things at the same time... seriously. Grow up. |
| 19:41.26 | mdhopkins | DuxB: not a vm but i have an old pc for that. I also have a backspace account and can spin stuff up and down all day if that would be a good way to go. |
| 19:42.05 | nsadmin | why do you have to be mean and pick on people the way you do? the last two times you joined the channel, you just started right in |
| 19:42.19 | mdhopkins | DuxB: Actually, I have avoided VMs because of speed but I imagine a linux VM might run faster than windows if it's headless, right? |
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| 19:42.59 | nsadmin | I think this is a serious issue which I've already decided to make a written response to. |
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| 19:43.51 | karlpinc | mdhopkins: What are you really trying to learn? You need a goal. "server" is pretty broad. |
| 19:44.03 | stew | mdhopkins: the real differential to fast vs. non-fast VMs is whether or not they can run with hardware virtualization |
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| 19:45.13 | mdhopkins | karlpinc: I want to learn how to do whatever I want in linux. this was prompted by my confusion about how to set up a secure Redis server, but that is just one example of the various things I want to do from day to day that I can't, or at least I can't easily. |
| 19:45.17 | DuxB | mdhopkins: that would work with the old pc, anything that you can fiddle with until it breaks, if you need a good cli/basic linux tutorial, try http://www.linux.org/tutorial/view/beginners-level-course |
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| 19:46.42 | nsadmin | mdhopkins, so you want general knowledge... start by learning the shell |
| 19:47.10 | DuxB | mdhopkins: also, karlpinc makes an excellent point. If you can briefly describe what you know and what do need to know, we can point you in the right direction |
| 19:47.33 | nsadmin | and then picking one scripting language, tcl, perl, python, scheme, so many others |
| 19:48.07 | DuxB | anybody, please, any knowledge of cpufreq or any ideas why debian isn't reading my new overclocked cpu speeds would be ever so welcome |
| 19:48.09 | karlpinc | mdhopkins: You need some general infrastrcture. Learn to use an editor (emacs or vi). Learn "less", "man" and "info" so you can at least search the docs for what you need to know. Learn some shell features (| > < () and so forth). Learn the basic commands (mv, cp, rm, etc). Learn the package manager (aptitude/apt-get/apt-file/apt-cache/dpkg). And then take your server and _do_ something. |
| 19:48.28 | nsadmin | it seems you have interest around system and server administration |
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| 19:48.56 | mdhopkins | DuxB karlpinc nsadmin: thanks. I have a feeling you all will laugh at me, but I'm an intermediate developer in html/css/php/ruby. right now i use heroku for a lot. I use terminal and can do basic bash in osx, but not much more. i'm very good at css but i've been needing to do a lot more than that lately. |
| 19:49.05 | karlpinc | mdhopkins: Or just start by trying to make something happen and learn as you go. (And don't forget to read the RFCs so you understand your protocols.) |
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| 19:49.42 | nsadmin | mdhopkins, ok, so you must have some specific ideas as to where you want to go next |
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| 19:50.47 | karlpinc | mdhopkins: We're here for debian support, to answer specific questions. If you want to chat generally about learning administration, or anything else, #debian-offtopic would be appropriate. |
| 19:50.49 | nsadmin | you could look into openacs which is a web dev framework with a plugin architecture |
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| 19:51.33 | SilverWolfXIII | im at the how to use this partition part of the debian install |
| 19:51.44 | SilverWolfXIII | what should i chose for my main partition |
| 19:51.56 | mdhopkins | karlpinc: sorry, didn't mean to derail things. I think i've got some good suggestions here from you all. thanks. |
| 19:52.22 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, do you see a "use as" button? |
| 19:52.41 | SilverWolfXIII | no just a bunch of other listings |
| 19:52.53 | nsadmin | name one or two |
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| 19:53.11 | SilverWolfXIII | oh yea i see that im in there now trying to decide sorry |
| 19:53.32 | SilverWolfXIII | i clicked the use as button and these pop up |
| 19:53.54 | nsadmin | want to make a smaller throwaway install? |
| 19:53.54 | SilverWolfXIII | Ext3, 2 and 4 journaling filesystem |
| 19:54.18 | nsadmin | I'd say ext4 |
| 19:54.23 | SilverWolfXIII | no i want a perm install here the full deal |
| 19:55.04 | nsadmin | can grub2 find kernels and initrds on ext4? |
| 19:55.15 | karlpinc | SilverWolfXIII: ext3 is the default, because it's _well_ tested. There are reasons for using ext4 but if you don't know what they are then best to use the default. |
| 19:55.20 | SilverWolfXIII | it also shows btrfs, fat16, fat32, swap area, phys volume for encrypt, phys volume for raid, and phys volume for lvm |
| 19:55.45 | SilverWolfXIII | i already have my swap area set so |
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| 19:55.56 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, ok, use as ext3 |
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| 19:56.04 | SilverWolfXIII | ok cool thanks again |
| 19:56.15 | nsadmin | set mount point to / |
| 19:56.36 | SilverWolfXIII | it says i need a root system |
| 19:56.50 | nsadmin | right, so... |
| 19:56.52 | nsadmin | set mount point to / |
| 19:57.12 | nsadmin | on what you're caling the main partition |
| 19:57.17 | SilverWolfXIII | ah i see |
| 19:57.55 | SilverWolfXIII | on my way to a dual boot win 7 and debian thanks guys |
| 19:58.04 | nsadmin | in windows, each drive is its own directory tree, in linux it's one single tree, and the root of that tree is / |
| 19:58.41 | SilverWolfXIII | ah i see so hence the need for / to navigate the system |
| 19:58.50 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 19:59.14 | SilverWolfXIII | makes way better sense than windows file system |
| 19:59.24 | SilverWolfXIII | its a jump around mess |
| 19:59.58 | nsadmin | well their first problem came about when someone asked for a second floppy drive |
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| 20:00.25 | SilverWolfXIII | lol |
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| 20:00.32 | nsadmin | they both have their issues |
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| 20:01.11 | SilverWolfXIII | true but this is much more fun learning and something really new for me |
| 20:01.38 | nsadmin | you'll also find the command line stuff is smarter and more powerful |
| 20:01.50 | SilverWolfXIII | thats what i hear |
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| 20:02.01 | SilverWolfXIII | cant wait to start learning the command line |
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| 20:02.39 | SilverWolfXIII | since i set up the partitions properly the install has gone way smother |
| 20:02.49 | nsadmin | if you ran ubuntu you already have |
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| 20:03.19 | SilverWolfXIII | true but i mean the real depths pf commans line, and programming |
| 20:03.51 | tgs3 | hi, debian stable ssh server disconnects session that are not active (nothing is done in shell) often. the connection is just broken, it is not bash TMOUT. what can be the problem? |
| 20:03.59 | SilverWolfXIII | wow i cant type today srry for the typos |
| 20:04.22 | stew | tgs3: its not likely to be the ssh server but some router in between the client and server |
| 20:04.49 | nsadmin | SilverWolfXIII, there's a coupla typing tutors... |
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| 20:05.01 | nsadmin | there;s typist and gtypist |
| 20:05.05 | tgs3 | stew how would you debug it more? |
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| 20:05.20 | tgs3 | stew: also, shouldn't ssh auto-reconnect to cover for underlying network problem? |
| 20:05.20 | stew | tgs3: you mean figure out which router? |
| 20:05.33 | stew | I don't know what ssh auto-reconnect is |
| 20:05.35 | SilverWolfXIII | lmao i hope i dont need a typing tutor |
| 20:05.48 | craigevil | likes tuxtype |
| 20:05.58 | nsadmin | they're good tho... make you really fast |
| 20:06.02 | stew | irc is a good typing tutor |
| 20:06.18 | SilverWolfXIII | no why is it the debian install takes over an hour if it is so small? |
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| 20:06.28 | SilverWolfXIII | or rpg games |
| 20:06.40 | nsadmin | it doesn't always take that long |
| 20:06.59 | nsadmin | maybe it's downloading stuff |
| 20:07.02 | SilverWolfXIII | ok because the install bar is telling me an hour and a half is remaining |
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| 20:07.15 | cristian | ciao |
| 20:07.18 | SilverWolfXIII | it downloaded the files it needed first |
| 20:07.20 | cristian | !list |
| 20:07.20 | dpkg | cristian: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 20:07.45 | craigevil | it downloads all of the updates as part of the install, along with any other packages you chose to be installed |
| 20:07.56 | SilverWolfXIII | ah i gotcha |
| 20:08.36 | nsadmin | you must have chose a LOT |
| 20:08.36 | stew | SilverWolfXIII: did you choose a "deesktop" install? |
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| 20:08.41 | antiisolo | should i have a opt folder? even through root, i can't find opt.. |
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| 20:09.01 | SilverWolfXIII | stew: yea i chose the graphical desktop install |
| 20:09.02 | stew | antiisolo: you would typically have an /opt; if its not there, someone removed it |
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| 20:09.07 | fasta | How can I restrict outbound traffic of one application without getting a Phd. in traffic shaping? |
| 20:09.16 | stew | SilverWolfXIII: then you are asking it to install somehting like a gigabyte of software |
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| 20:09.33 | stew | fasta: with trickle |
| 20:09.34 | fasta | antiisolo: no |
| 20:09.42 | SilverWolfXIII | ok cool i have fast internet so no problem just wondering why |
| 20:09.49 | fasta | stew: does that also work for ssh? |
| 20:10.26 | stew | fasta: its a LD_PRELOAD wrapper, so it should work for anything for which you can wrap the command |
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| 20:11.01 | fasta | stew: the command is started from another machine; all I can do is squeeze the connection at the point. |
| 20:11.10 | fasta | stew: which is what I am interested in. |
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| 20:11.21 | fasta | this point* |
| 20:11.30 | stew | fasta: its cooperative. its not forcing anything on anyone. its a way to say "when I launch this program i'm going to launch it in a way that I'll voluntarily not use much bandwidth" |
| 20:11.39 | stew | then no, this isn't what you want |
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| 20:11.55 | stew | what is "this point", a router? |
| 20:11.59 | stew | a server? |
| 20:12.03 | fasta | stew: this point in time. |
| 20:12.41 | stew | you are in control of a router and you want to limit one of the connections being routed through? |
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| 20:13.02 | fasta | stew: it's just two real *nix machines. |
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| 20:13.11 | fasta | stew: I am in control of one of them. |
| 20:13.18 | stew | fasta: is this one the ssh server? |
| 20:13.21 | fasta | stew: I am the 'server'. |
| 20:13.24 | fasta | stew: yes |
| 20:14.08 | stew | what is your goal? to limit their bandwidth? to not let their bandwidth affect other bandwidth? |
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| 20:15.30 | stew | perhaps, "what is your motivation" is a better question |
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| 20:17.30 | fasta | stew: I want to get some service myself :) |
| 20:17.47 | stew | via ssh? |
| 20:17.54 | fasta | stew: yes |
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| 20:18.20 | stew | is your traffic going to be bulk or interactive? |
| 20:18.26 | fasta | stew: interactive |
| 20:18.55 | stew | then I'll try to propose some traffic shaping which is simple so that maybe you don't have to wade through all the options? |
| 20:18.57 | fasta | I don't really get why Linux doesn't ship with such defaults out of the box. |
| 20:19.55 | stew | you need two things, a classifier and a queing discipline. the classifier says "which packets go to which queue", the queueing discipline says "how do I know which queue to service when" |
| 20:20.24 | fasta | stew: I know the theory, I just forget the commands every time and I find the syntax terrible. |
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| 20:21.07 | fasta | It's just one of those applications that's begging for a front-end with actual buckets ;) |
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| 20:21.23 | fasta | I am pretty sure I could make something a child could even configure. |
| 20:21.26 | g4mbit | vpntunnel.se has been unbanned from freenode |
| 20:21.33 | stew | for the queueing discipline, the simplist way to go is to just use prio, create a high priority queue and a low priority queue, he goes to the low priority queue, everything else to the high priority queue, then his outbound packets only go if there is no other traffic |
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| 20:21.48 | stew | fasta: uh, then what are you waiting for? |
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| 20:22.45 | fasta | stew: something like that takes a month or two or so and I don't think anybody is willing to pony up the money. |
| 20:23.53 | fasta | And likely such tools already exist in Enterprise Land, anyway. |
| 20:24.18 | fasta | Or those enterprisey people already can dream tc. |
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| 20:24.44 | fasta | Well, perhaps those enterprises would prefer to hire monkeys (they are cheaper). |
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| 20:24.49 | stew | i'm not sure what "enterprise land" is, but if those tools exist, why not use them? |
| 20:25.13 | fasta | stew: I can imagine it involves calling an IBM representative. |
| 20:25.16 | stew | fasta: if you already know the thery, i'm confused about what you are looking for? just too lazy to look up the syntax yourself? |
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| 20:26.06 | fasta | stew: it's more like my brain protesting to do such things which it really shouldn't be doing. I.e. tc could be vastly simplified. |
| 20:26.14 | fasta | stew: you could call it laziness. |
| 20:26.17 | stew | is this just all a round about way of airing a complaint that nobody has volunteered to write the software which you claim you could write but don't want to without being paid? |
| 20:26.21 | stew | ok |
| 20:26.33 | stew | i think i'll join you then |
| 20:26.47 | alex_____ | I want build from source any feedback on my sources.list http://pastebin.com/xeWZcDbH |
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| 20:27.22 | stew | alex_____: I don't see any problems with that |
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| 20:27.57 | alex_____ | stew: ok thats fine |
| 20:28.09 | alex_____ | thanks |
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| 20:46.51 | TMcTrain | I have set up a small server with openldap, cyrus, postfix and samba. the goal is now to grab emails from drop-mailbox at ISP and sort them into user mailboxes depending alias settings in ldap. as no user is logged in how and with what can I set up the mail retreival from ISP? |
| 20:48.17 | confusid | is scp and rcp the same? Looks like the same man page.. |
| 20:49.00 | confusid | same man page without question.. rcp man page say's scp not rcp.. |
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| 20:51.12 | confusid | could someone else verify if they have the same man page for man rcp, and man scp. |
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| 20:51.41 | Trewas | confusid: rcp was a program for similar purpose as scp in the days before scp, and non-encrypted, rcp has been probably symlinked to scp for last fifteen or so years |
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| 20:52.04 | confusid | Trewas: Thank you |
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| 20:57.32 | cipher__ | i was just running optirun (bumblebee, xps15z, geforce gpu) without issue, until a bad aptitude package removed a bunch of my packages D:. I am now without a gpu, and was wondering if i can get some help, from where i got it working in the first place :) |
| 20:57.55 | vedant | why is configuring /etc/network/interfaces directly referred to as legacy in the debian manual ( http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html ) ? |
| 20:58.15 | vedant | debian reference* |
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| 20:59.10 | dvs | vedant: I guess they're refering to wicd and network manager as current. |
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| 21:00.02 | Kaede | Since wicd has a curses interface, its probably considered the modern way, even in console. |
| 21:00.33 | dvs | Kaede: Too bad they don't support it anymore |
| 21:01.08 | Kaede | True but its featured enough where it will get you on 90% of networks, and for GUI environments Network manager has replaced direct configuration. |
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| 21:01.46 | ha1dfo | hi, i'm trying to compile a package for myself, and I wonder if you know how to ask debuild to create debs for other arches? -- actually no cross-compile is needed since the content is just scripts files |
| 21:02.14 | Kaede | I think the main reason editing the interfaces file is cosidered leagcy is it requires root and thus has some security issues associated with it. Not bad for a home network or something permanent but you don't want to be doing it at every hotspot. |
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| 21:02.47 | fasta | How do you define bridge networking then in network manager/wicd? |
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| 21:03.12 | vedant | funny then that both Network Manager and wicd aren't installed by default in squeeze (desktop environment not selected). |
| 21:03.33 | stew | vedant: no, it makes sense |
| 21:03.35 | fasta | vedant: perhaps the guy who wrote it had a bad day? |
| 21:03.47 | stew | vedant: the legacy methods are what is advised to beused on servers, wicd or nm on desktops |
| 21:03.59 | stew | be used* |
| 21:04.28 | stew | vedant: since you didn't define either, you are getting the minimal configuration which should have the lagacy ifupdown |
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| 21:04.36 | fasta | stew: but they aren't as expressive, are they? |
| 21:04.47 | stew | fasta: what is "they"? |
| 21:04.53 | Kaede | vedant: The default interface (usually eth0) will be defined, so you can still use ifupdown with DHCP to get a connection on a LAN, which is better than nothing. |
| 21:04.53 | fasta | stew: wicd and nm. |
| 21:05.03 | stew | fasta: i'm not sure what it means for a network manager to be expressive |
| 21:05.05 | Kaede | Without configuring interfaces manaully, I mean. |
| 21:05.13 | fasta | stew: can express e.g. bridge networking. |
| 21:05.45 | stew | fasta: then no, i suppose. I don't think that is a common task for a desktop user. that is something a server would be doing |
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| 21:06.35 | vedant | stew: the installer didn't have an option for server; it only had an option for web server but I didn't want apache2 at that point in time |
| 21:06.39 | fasta | stew: I don't think there is such a thing as a common task other than some very small set like 'runs a terminal, clicks icons, runs web-browser'. |
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| 21:07.05 | fasta | stew: the notion of desktop vs server systems is also one that I reject. |
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| 21:07.16 | fasta | Both should be rock solid. |
| 21:07.17 | stew | fasta: then there is no point in us discussing this documentation further |
| 21:07.28 | stew | vedant: yes, that sounds correct |
| 21:07.44 | stew | fasta: wait, is one not rock solid? |
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| 21:08.28 | fasta | stew: I wouldn't call the desktop rock solid. |
| 21:08.40 | stew | fasta: what do you mean by "the desktop"? |
| 21:08.42 | fasta | stew: but hey, I am happy now. |
| 21:08.56 | fasta | stew: let's celebrate that instead and stop arguing. |
| 21:09.01 | stew | fasta: is this going to go anywhere, or is this going to be another roundabout way of you airing veiled complaints? |
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| 21:09.53 | fasta | stew: (oh, and I also use scripts which run depending on when people plugin certain devices, which is also a feature I haven't seen in nm. ) |
| 21:10.06 | stew | fasta: i'm not sure what your point is |
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| 21:10.24 | fasta | stew: the point is that deprecating something which doesn't have a replacement is silly. |
| 21:10.37 | nkuttler | didn't it say legacy? |
| 21:10.57 | stew | there is certainly a point in deprecating a set of tools for a set of users for which there is a much easier set of tools |
| 21:11.17 | fasta | Sure, if you put it that way. |
| 21:11.22 | stew | fasta: weren't you the one just complaining about the lack of easy clicky interfaces for some other low level network thing? |
| 21:11.40 | stew | fasta: is that not exactly the way the reference is describing the situation? |
| 21:11.41 | fasta | stew: yeah, but I wouldn't decapitate it. |
| 21:12.37 | stew | fasta: you would not discourage mobile laptop users from using ifupdown instead of network-manager/wicd? |
| 21:13.17 | vedant | can Network Manager connect to two wired interfaces at the same time now? it's been a long time since I last used it. |
| 21:13.32 | fasta | stew: I have concluded that it is not wise to continue this discussion, because I didn't read the whole document he referred to. |
| 21:13.41 | stew | seems like network-manager and wicd are far more simple for the average desktop user, i see no problem with encouraging them to use one of those tools and discouraging them from using ifupdown |
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| 21:23.50 | yazdmich|debian | i'm trying to update xfce to 4.10, my repository has the file, but apt says i already have the newset version when i actually don't |
| 21:24.11 | yazdmich|debian | anyone able to help me on this? |
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| 21:26.32 | n-iCe | yazdmich|debian: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:26.36 | n-iCe | maybe are being kept |
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| 21:27.33 | tuvwx_ | is anyone else experiencing extremely slow scrolling in iceweasel? window drawing is slow too when switching desktops |
| 21:28.05 | yazdmich|debian | i don't want to upgrade my system, im on squeeze anyways, i just want to update xfce from 4.6 to 4.10 |
| 21:28.37 | yazdmich|debian | let me pull up the repository's xfce4 folder |
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| 21:29.53 | aber | yazdmich|debian, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Installing_from_unstable |
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| 21:30.39 | yazdmich|debian | debian.yorku.ca/debian/pool/main/x/xfce4/ |
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| 21:32.18 | yazdmich|debian | (its http) |
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| 21:34.11 | roflmaoYd | hi, i need help with debian |
| 21:34.31 | roflmaoYd | i tried dpkg -i install niggers-pack but doesn't work |
| 21:34.42 | WinstonSmith | yawns |
| 21:35.13 | Lartza | roflmaoYd, apt-get install niggers-pack or dpkg -i niggers-pack.deb (if .deb in same folder) |
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| 21:35.40 | roflmaoYd | lol |
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| 21:36.04 | Lartza | roflmaoYd, Also why the hell do you have a package with that name? |
| 21:36.06 | Lartza | :D |
| 21:36.23 | roflmaoYd | well, I tried to troll but you owned me Lartza |
| 21:37.07 | Lartza | roflmaoYd, ;) |
| 21:37.23 | Lartza | Don't feed the troll, beat him |
| 21:38.13 | roflmaoYd | well im gonna troll to bubunters |
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| 21:48.47 | mdhopkins | karlpinc: nsadmin: thanks for your help earlier. i've made a lot of good progress with debian…wrote some scripts that worked just fine even. :) |
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| 21:51.11 | SilverWolfXIII | so i installed debian and all i have on boot is a command line screen |
| 21:51.39 | SilverWolfXIII | it prompts me to type in user name and then pass |
| 21:51.48 | nacimep | do it |
| 21:52.07 | SilverWolfXIII | i did then i get a new command script instead of desktop |
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| 21:52.11 | nacimep | what did you want a desktop or something? |
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| 21:52.25 | SilverWolfXIII | i was under the impression that it had one |
| 21:52.27 | nacimep | might need to install gnome-desktop or something pseudo package |
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| 21:52.37 | SilverWolfXIII | i installed the graphical desktop install |
| 21:53.20 | nacimep | strange |
| 21:53.31 | nacimep | /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 21:53.34 | SilverWolfXIII | yea im at a loss |
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| 21:53.58 | SilverWolfXIII | took over 1 1/2 hours to download and install this and i get notta outta it |
| 21:54.11 | nacimep | chill man |
| 21:54.25 | SilverWolfXIII | i might wipe it and try UBUNTU 11.04 |
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| 21:54.32 | SilverWolfXIII | ok one sec ill try that |
| 21:55.01 | nacimep | god not ubuntu |
| 21:55.10 | SilverWolfXIII | lol |
| 21:55.24 | nacimep | sure you selected desktop stuff? and not a base install |
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| 21:55.44 | nacimep | see if /etc/init.d/gdm3 exists |
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| 21:55.55 | SilverWolfXIII | i selected graphical desktop installation option |
| 21:56.13 | SilverWolfXIII | i did it says no such file directory |
| 21:56.21 | abrotman | when you do what? |
| 21:56.31 | nacimep | tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install maybe |
| 21:56.38 | SilverWolfXIII | type it into the command line |
| 21:56.49 | SilverWolfXIII | im new to command so please bare with me on this |
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| 21:57.04 | abrotman | how about "aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3" ? |
| 21:57.15 | SilverWolfXIII | one sec |
| 21:57.42 | nacimep | http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 21:58.02 | nacimep | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:58.10 | abrotman | how about "aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3" ? |
| 21:58.12 | nacimep | for the "official upstream setup" |
| 21:58.29 | SilverWolfXIII | that command is working on something |
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| 21:58.53 | nacimep | i should hope so since somehow youre missing all that |
| 21:58.59 | mo1991 | Can someone help me in packaging compiz 0.9 for wheezy? There is an article here which says he packaged the 6 packages to a git hub, but they appear to be sources rather than actual .deb packages. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2012/03/msg00138.html |
| 21:59.19 | mo1991 | not sure exactly what to do with these files |
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| 21:59.32 | SilverWolfXIII | it says E: Could not openlock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 21:59.39 | nacimep | sudo |
| 21:59.57 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: are you root? |
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| 22:00.09 | SilverWolfXIII | no give me a sec |
| 22:00.17 | kamals | Anygirls please chat |
| 22:00.23 | abrotman | kamals: please try #defocus |
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| 22:01.48 | SilverWolfXIII | its building now |
| 22:01.54 | kamals | Im new here so i need to help please anyone help me |
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| 22:02.39 | abrotman | kamals: help you with Debian ? |
| 22:03.19 | kamals | Ur m/f |
| 22:03.52 | SilverWolfXIII | wow kamals |
| 22:04.03 | SilverWolfXIII | not the server for that |
| 22:04.11 | kamals | Aha |
| 22:04.30 | kamals | My nane is david im 20 year |
| 22:04.41 | superstraw | haven't seen irc stuff like m/f asl in forever! |
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| 22:04.56 | abrotman | kamals: help you with Debian ? |
| 22:06.36 | SilverWolfXIII | abrotman: how long does this taake to build on avg |
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| 22:07.23 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: how fast is your machine ? |
| 22:07.49 | SilverWolfXIII | 3.2ghz quad with 8gb ram and a gtx 550 ti fpb edition |
| 22:07.57 | SilverWolfXIII | so ok fast |
| 22:08.47 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: which command did you use? |
| 22:08.54 | abrotman | the "aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3" ? |
| 22:09.04 | SilverWolfXIII | aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3 |
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| 22:09.37 | SilverWolfXIII | yea that one |
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| 22:10.26 | SilverWolfXIII | just exit and restart when its back to root? |
| 22:10.28 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: it should have started downloading already |
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| 22:10.34 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: uh what? |
| 22:10.36 | SilverWolfXIII | its back to root now |
| 22:10.43 | SilverWolfXIII | it finnished |
| 22:10.44 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: did it download and install stuff? |
| 22:11.08 | SilverWolfXIII | it looks like it did |
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| 22:12.24 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: so what's going on now ? |
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| 22:12.48 | SilverWolfXIII | abrotman: restarted it and its back to command line after log in |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | restarted what? |
| 22:13.15 | abrotman | the whole system ? |
| 22:13.16 | SilverWolfXIII | the pc |
| 22:13.20 | SilverWolfXIII | yea |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: oh, you have an nvidia card don't you ? |
| 22:13.37 | SilverWolfXIII | yea |
| 22:13.45 | SilverWolfXIII | will that not work? |
| 22:13.51 | abrotman | not sure, i do'nt have one |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: /msg dpkg nvidia .. see the URL in the factoid |
| 22:14.27 | SilverWolfXIII | use that in command or go the the web for that |
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| 22:14.59 | abrotman | SilverWolfXIII: tha'ts an IRC command |
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| 22:16.25 | SilverWolfXIII | ok got it |
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| 22:17.21 | SilverWolfXIII | ahhhh curse this gaming computer |
| 22:17.32 | abrotman | well, really curse nvidia |
| 22:17.37 | SilverWolfXIII | lol |
| 22:18.14 | SilverWolfXIII | best i could get for my money at the time i was at microcenter so i got it |
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| 22:26.19 | mo1991 | Can someone point me in the right direction packaging the compiz files found here for debian wheezy? https://github.com/micove |
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| 22:26.37 | abrotman | what's wrong with the compiz already in wheezy? |
| 22:27.32 | babilen | abrotman: The fact that it is not in wheezy? ;) |
| 22:27.35 | babilen | ,v compiz |
| 22:27.36 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.1; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 22:27.37 | mo1991 | abrotman - one it seems that compiz is currently not included in wheezy - 2) my nvidia card appears to have some tearing issues which are fixed with newer versions of compiz |
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| 22:28.02 | jelly-home | babilen: both the sid one and the experimental one seem outdated |
| 22:28.06 | babilen | mo1991: You can easily pull that package from sid -- /msg dpkg tum for that approach. |
| 22:28.11 | TheLegace | hi guys im trying to get a backported version of a kernel installed |
| 22:28.16 | babilen | does not care about compiz |
| 22:28.22 | mo1991 | abrotman - btw the compiz being exluded in wheezy seems very new - also doesn't seem to be installable from sid due to a dependancey |
| 22:28.25 | streuner | some does |
| 22:28.35 | nevyn | TheLegace: ok whats the problem? |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | exluded ? |
| 22:28.59 | TheLegace | but i keep getting this message linux-base (3) unstable; urgency=low |
| 22:29.05 | TheLegace | and it continues with a some message about |
| 22:29.13 | abrotman | mo1991: /msg dpkg ssb ? or tum .. it's not unworkable |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | and certainly better than what you're trying to do |
| 22:29.22 | mo1991 | babilen - until recently, compiz was the same version for both wheezy and sid - regardless, I am trying to package a newer version which someone has already gotten working with debian. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2012/03/msg00138.html |
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| 22:30.03 | themill | TheLegace: that's less showing you the notes from the maintainer about the new package. Space bar to go down a page, q to quit. |
| 22:30.18 | TheLegace | OMG |
| 22:30.26 | TheLegace | i was trying to find the key that would make it work |
| 22:30.35 | TheLegace | only new ctrl-c and nano commands |
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| 22:30.58 | mo1991 | abrotman - I guess I'm not sure what to do with the files in this git directory. -> https://github.com/micove do I just git clone the files and then dpkg them? Like they are already setup with the control files etc for packaging |
| 22:31.04 | boudiccas | TheLegace: what happened to the old CTRL c commands? |
| 22:31.15 | abrotman | mo1991: don't they have instructions ? |
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| 22:32.35 | mo1991 | abrotman - checkout this debian list page -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2012/03/msg00138.html - Not really instructions ?? |
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| 22:33.21 | abrotman | wtf routing! |
| 22:33.37 | TheLegace | boudiccas, it would cancel the whole apt install |
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| 22:34.13 | abrotman | mo1991: i'd guess you'd clone |
| 22:34.37 | AK|laptop | So once again, #debian, my desktop has frozen up while trying to load an image in my web browser. I'm on my laptop with the frozen machine right in front of me. How do I diagnose and treat this recurring problem? |
| 22:34.46 | mo1991 | and then package with dpkg? |
| 22:35.11 | abrotman | mo1991: then you read the New Maintainer Guide and learn how to do it so we don't get to keep spoon feeding you :) |
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| 22:35.26 | abrotman | AK|laptop: a) can you ssh into the laptop from another box? |
| 22:35.36 | AK|laptop | Into the laptop? |
| 22:35.57 | abrotman | oh, sorry, into the frozen desktop |
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| 22:37.06 | AK|laptop | Erm, I haven't used ssh in a while, so I'm trying to remember how to do it. |
| 22:37.28 | AK|laptop | Also, both of these systems (desktop and laptop) are using relatively new squeeze installations |
| 22:37.32 | abrotman | ssh IPOfDesktop |
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| 22:37.44 | abrotman | or user@ip |
| 22:37.54 | AK|laptop | Keeps saying connection refused |
| 22:38.14 | AK|laptop | I can't remember the IP so I'm trying different 192.168.1.* IPs |
| 22:38.16 | streuner | !connection refused |
| 22:38.17 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 22:38.29 | abrotman | so helpful |
| 22:38.39 | AK|laptop | Don't you have to set up ssh on a system? |
| 22:38.41 | abrotman | AK|laptop: maybe log into your router and see which machines have a lease? |
| 22:38.42 | streuner | true :-( |
| 22:38.43 | AK|laptop | Or enable it somehow |
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| 22:38.54 | abrotman | AK|laptop: why wouldn't you do that?! :) |
| 22:39.12 | TheLegace | ok guys, i managed to install 3.2 kernel from backports, but my computer keeps looping at boot once it tries to load the ramdisk |
| 22:39.13 | abrotman | AK|laptop: if you can't ssh, we won't be able to do much til you reboot the box, at which point the state is lost |
| 22:39.19 | TheLegace | the old kernel seems to work fine |
| 22:39.25 | AK|laptop | Right |
| 22:39.38 | ageis | QUESTION: would an `aptitude remove --purge mysql-server` lose my databases too? |
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| 22:39.53 | streuner | TheLegace: everyhing works? |
| 22:39.55 | abrotman | ageis: ideally, no .. of course, you sohuld backup first |
| 22:40.00 | abrotman | AK|laptop: can you switch to the terminal? |
| 22:40.03 | ageis | ok |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | on the broken box |
| 22:40.13 | AK|laptop | Ctrl+Alt+F1 does nothing |
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| 22:40.41 | AK|laptop | And I logged into my router, and I suppose I found my desktop's IP |
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| 22:41.01 | TheLegace | streuner, in the older kernel, but newer kernel doesnt boot after ramdisk, im trying to run an upgrade in -t squeeze-backports upgrade to see if anything needs to be upgraded |
| 22:41.33 | roboman2444 | so, how do i disable synaptics-touchpad? i like the old evdev driver for my touchpad much better than synaptics |
| 22:41.42 | AK|laptop | I can ping the machine just fine |
| 22:41.59 | abrotman | AK|laptop: is your laptop windows or linux ? |
| 22:42.06 | AK|laptop | Both are running squeeze |
| 22:42.16 | abrotman | AK|laptop: can you "telnet IPofDesktop 22" ? |
| 22:42.29 | AK|laptop | Connection refused |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | so sshd, or machine unresponsive .. reboot time |
| 22:42.53 | abrotman | erm .. no sshd |
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| 22:43.10 | abrotman | AK|laptop: i assume you've tried to switch to the console on the destkop with alt-f1 ? |
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| 22:44.15 | AK|laptop | I did ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 22:44.20 | AK|laptop | It never works though |
| 22:44.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:44.42 | AK|laptop | So I guess I have to just reboot it? |
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| 22:46.00 | abrotman | seems so |
| 22:46.30 | AK|laptop | Rebooting, then |
| 22:46.57 | AK|laptop | So I need to enable ssh I guess |
| 22:47.52 | AK|laptop | Will simply installing openssh do it? |
| 22:48.27 | TheLegace | hmm so any suggestions anyone? |
| 22:48.36 | xispirito | what you say if i say that have a machine that freeze, and before somepunches, thats work again? |
| 22:49.16 | AK|laptop | Or the ssh package |
| 22:50.05 | AK|laptop | Okay, yes, after I install that package I can ssh into my desktop |
| 22:50.10 | AK|laptop | installs it on his laptop as well |
| 22:50.17 | streuner | TheLegace: if a kernel doesnt work, you have a problem.... |
| 22:50.48 | streuner | TheLegace: (just use an kernel which works...) |
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| 22:51.09 | AK|laptop | hm |
| 22:51.25 | Andorin | abrotman: I'm going to try and reproduce the crash |
| 22:51.28 | abrotman | AK|laptop: openssh-server |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | how many people have crashes! |
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| 22:53.46 | Andorin | Watch, it will take me forever to freeze my laptop when I actually want it to freeze -.- |
| 22:53.54 | Andorin | It happens randomly as I load images in Firefox |
| 22:53.55 | TheLegace | streuner, the problem im trying to compile latest uvcdrivers |
| 22:54.56 | streuner | TheLegace: hm, i have no idea about uvcdrivers |
| 22:55.45 | streuner | TheLegace: maybe #kernelnewbies is the right channel for that (OFTC) |
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| 22:55.56 | nevyn | Andorin: what video card? |
| 22:56.37 | Andorin | Intel GMA I believe |
| 22:56.45 | Andorin | But the freezes happen on both desktop and laptop |
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| 22:57.32 | nevyn | are both using intel GMA? |
| 22:57.37 | syslq | I need a script that would allow me to convert vcf to ldif? |
| 22:58.06 | Andorin | I honestly don't remember |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | Andorin: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 22:58.39 | Andorin | Oh |
| 22:59.06 | Andorin | Desktop is an Intel GMA 3100, laptop is Mobile Intel 945GM Express |
| 22:59.32 | streuner | TheLegace: if that doesnt work in a bpo kernel, you have a problem, IMO |
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| 23:00.24 | karsten | syslq: ldif is the LDAP format, correct? |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | Andorin: how did you install X and your browser? |
| 23:01.17 | syslq | karsten: yeah, it's a plain text format for ldap |
| 23:01.25 | Andorin | abrotman: X was installed with the system and I got my browser from mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:01.29 | karsten | syslq: I think I'd script that up in awk, Perl, Ruby, or other $LANGUAGE_OF_CHOICE |
| 23:01.34 | Andorin | Or from the instructions there |
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| 23:01.46 | syslq | karsten: CPAN to the rescue :) |
| 23:02.08 | syslq | karsten: it's just I rather watch eureka, they are stuck in 1947 now etc... |
| 23:02.09 | syslq | :) |
| 23:02.17 | abrotman | Andorin: and you've been keeping your systems up to datE? |
| 23:02.24 | karsten | syslq: Is that show still on? |
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| 23:02.40 | syslq | karsten: it is at my place |
| 23:02.40 | Andorin | I installed them last week, but yes. Also, I had this problem about a year ago as well. |
| 23:02.41 | karsten | syslq: Cool. I was just going to post this, but I think it goes the wrong way: http://www.barninger.com/ldif_to_vcard/ |
| 23:03.22 | syslq | karsten: although yes they are still making it. Too bad the science behind it is so plain messed up |
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| 23:03.54 | karsten | syslq: What is this "science" of which you speak? |
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| 23:06.04 | syslq | karsten: well most of the show's at least try to keep in line with scientific theory and in eureka are plain wrong. From physics nonsense to mobile phones (ordinary) that use 40ghz frequencies etc... it's sad really but now with time travel, which is also fscked up it got interesting content wise |
| 23:07.05 | streuner | its become boring every day, how to prevent pkill deb_checkmd5sum and pkill plugin-containe? :-) |
| 23:07.19 | streuner | its a PITA ... |
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| 23:13.57 | BenNZ | hi , having trouble with lo not being brought up at boot here is my /etc/network/interfaces , http://paste.debian.net/172020/ , i can bring it up manually without error with sudo ifconfig lo up anyone know what might be wrong ? |
| 23:15.55 | abrotman | there are no errors in dmesg or syslog or messages? |
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| 23:17.07 | BenNZ | abrotman: the only one i have noticed was exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog on debian has non-zero size, mail system might be broken. The last 10 lines are quoted below. and /var/log/exim4/paniclog has 10 lines of 2012-05-30 03:00:53 socket bind() to port 25 for address ::1 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned |
| 23:17.07 | dondelelcaro | BenNZ: that looks fine. Does it come up when you run ifup -a? what does ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*networking; output? |
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| 23:17.39 | dondelelcaro | BenNZ: are you running a Debian kernel? |
| 23:18.02 | BenNZ | dondelelcaro: not at the moment , but it does it with a generic one aswell |
| 23:19.32 | BenNZ | dondelelcaro: output of ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*networking http://paste.debian.net/172021/ , command not found from ifup -a |
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| 23:20.54 | abrotman | you dn't have the ifup command ? |
| 23:20.55 | dondelelcaro | BenNZ: ifup -a; as root... assuming ls -l /sbin/ifup; exists, anyway |
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| 23:21.21 | BenNZ | i ran su -c 'ifup -a' and command not found |
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| 23:22.56 | Andorin | abrotman: I'll just come back next time one of my computers freezes, now that I can ssh |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:23.05 | Andorin | I've been browsing images for about half an hour and it hasn't frozen |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | Andorin: did you make sure ssh works? |
| 23:23.08 | Andorin | Yup |
| 23:23.13 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:23.58 | dondelelcaro | BenNZ: if /sbin/ifup doesn't exist, lo won't come up... |
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| 23:24.12 | trysten | can somone tell me what /dev/dm-3 is? |
| 23:24.32 | mo1991 | abrotman - compiling compiz .92 from experimental repository from source. Keeping my fingers crossed |
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| 23:26.05 | BenNZ | dondelelcaro: ok , not sure how that was removed , thats the problem then |
| 23:26.27 | BenNZ | dondelelcaro: abrotman thanks for helping |
| 23:26.29 | trysten | does dm stand for device mapper? |
| 23:26.34 | trysten | in /dev/dm-3 |
| 23:26.45 | dondelelcaro | trysten: it's the 4th device that device mapper knows about |
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| 23:27.03 | dondelelcaro | trysten: ls -l /dev/mapper/; will tell you what that actually is |
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| 23:27.56 | trysten | dondelelcaro: a little more help? i can't get rid of /dev/mapper/loopsomething because /dev/dm-3 is using. that does not make sense to me. i don't know about 'device mapping' how can i learn more? |
| 23:28.12 | dondelelcaro | trysten: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:28.54 | trysten | kpartx -d , which should erase the device mappings i made with it earlier. but the one i was using won't go away |
| 23:29.08 | trysten | fuser dm-3 = nothing |
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| 23:29.52 | dondelelcaro | trysten: lets back up; what precisely have you done? what would you like to happen? what are the commands that you've run? what is the output? |
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| 23:30.18 | trysten | first i kpartx -a image.img, this created a mapping to all the partitions inside a disk image |
| 23:30.47 | trysten | dondelelcaro: then i mounted on of the maps, did stuff, unmounted it, now i'm trying to kpartx -d to get rid of the mappings |
| 23:31.39 | dondelelcaro | trysten: ok; and what is kpartx -dv foodisk; outputing? |
| 23:32.47 | trysten | 3 line.shttp://pastebin.com/S1nx4kvS |
| 23:32.52 | trysten | >.> |
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| 23:33.27 | trysten | there are two device maps in /dev/mapper. i guess it's failing on both, but sudo fuser says nothing |
| 23:34.05 | dondelelcaro | trysten: ok; what does lsof /dev/loop0; output? what does mount; output? what does ls -l /dev/mapper; output? |
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| 23:34.50 | dondelelcaro | (or losetup -a) |
| 23:34.50 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 23:35.05 | zmitya | I installed a linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 on a squeeze from backports |
| 23:35.35 | zmitya | now I missing /lib/firmware/bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-6.2.1a.fw for my bnx2 module |
| 23:35.45 | zmitya | what can I do now ? |
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| 23:35.57 | trysten | losetup -a lists /dev/loop0 as the image in question! but no other relevant information. even lsof /dev/loop0 |
| 23:36.38 | trysten | says nothing. should i losetup -d loop0? |
| 23:37.00 | dondelelcaro | trysten: no, because one or both of the device mappers is still in use |
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| 23:37.31 | dondelelcaro | trysten: are you sure that the filesystem has actually been unmounted that was mounted through it? has the device been synched? |
| 23:38.32 | trysten | sync works. there is definitely nothing relevant in mount |
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| 23:38.51 | trysten | except the disk drive that the image is on, that's only slightly relevant. |
| 23:39.17 | dondelelcaro | trysten: and nothing in /proc/mounts? |
| 23:39.44 | trysten | nope, that's almost exactly the same as mount |
| 23:39.47 | trysten | nothing. |
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| 23:42.02 | trysten | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/2Rf21dyw |
| 23:42.59 | dondelelcaro | trysten: that looks like whatever process 4838 is is running on loop0 |
| 23:43.19 | dondelelcaro | trysten: you can also see what is going on with the device mapper stuff with dmsetup info dm-3; for example. |
| 23:44.16 | trysten | cat /proc/4838/cmdline is blank |
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| 23:44.32 | dondelelcaro | that doesn't really matter; ps will tell you what it is. |
| 23:45.27 | trysten | it's "loop0" |
| 23:45.33 | trysten | what does that mean? |
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| 23:45.43 | zmitya | apt-get install --download-only -t squeeze-backports firmware-bnx2 solves the issue |
| 23:46.17 | dondelelcaro | trysten: oh, that's probably the kernel's loop process. |
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| 23:46.30 | nsadmin | zmitya, so then you would install the firmware? |
| 23:46.49 | trysten | i'm still unsure of how to free up the device mappings |
| 23:47.04 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro, could it be a loop mount? |
| 23:47.05 | zmitya | nsadmin: I beleive yes |
| 23:47.20 | dondelelcaro | trysten: anyway, what does dmsetup info /dev/dm-3; output? |
| 23:47.33 | zmitya | nsadmin: just rebooting |
| 23:47.39 | dondelelcaro | trysten: (and the same output for the other dm that you want to get rid of?) |
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| 23:49.06 | trysten | 's loop process. |
| 23:49.23 | trysten | >.> http://paste.debian.net/172022/ |
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| 23:50.11 | trysten | those are the offending loops, the one that kpartx is having trouble with. they are the only ones i used, too. but they can't be in use anymore! i've fuser'd the f out of them |
| 23:50.23 | dondelelcaro | trysten: hrm. the kernel things that there is at least 1 open file on p3, and 2 on p5 |
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| 23:51.47 | Bluefoxicy | Hey, is there a place to look for building debian from scratch? |
| 23:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Bluefoxicy: there's no point |
| 23:52.24 | Bluefoxicy | dondelelcaro: howso? |
| 23:52.28 | dondelelcaro | trysten: fuser -m /dev/dm-3; doesn't output anything useful? |
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| 23:52.47 | Bluefoxicy | I don't think debootstrap is going to work from my particular starting point. |
| 23:53.01 | nsadmin | which is? |
| 23:53.13 | Bluefoxicy | minix 3.2.0r3 |
| 23:53.17 | dondelelcaro | Bluefoxicy: well, generally speaking, debootstrap is almost always what you use. And in the rare cases where it isn't, you get yourself into a position where you can |
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| 23:53.30 | Bluefoxicy | obviously, this is going to require some legwork :P |
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| 23:53.50 | nsadmin | it could, yes |
| 23:54.06 | nsadmin | what do you propose to compile with, should you choose that direction? |
| 23:54.25 | abrotman | Bluefoxicy: why would you wan tto do such a thing? |
| 23:54.36 | dondelelcaro | Bluefoxicy: http://www.braincells.com/debian/index.cgi/search/item=126 |
| 23:54.50 | nsadmin | abrotman, I think he's having problems with installing debian |
| 23:54.58 | Bluefoxicy | I have no idea. It does come with gcc. I was more worried about the kernel not even supplying things like udev or kevent or whatnot, and various breakages that come from a completely different kernel expecting different management to i.e. build ramdisks, load drivers |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | is skeptical |
| 23:55.20 | abrotman | Bluefoxicy: have you tried to install Debian yet? |
| 23:55.21 | trysten | dondelelcaro: crap! i didn't know about -m! >.> thank you. |
| 23:55.30 | Bluefoxicy | oh |
| 23:55.33 | Bluefoxicy | somebody has already done this |
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| 23:56.05 | gcmalloc | se gratte les boules |
| 23:56.08 | Bluefoxicy | abrotman I'm already running Ubuntu, VirtualBox, WinXP, ... I've played with Nexenta some in my day too. Debian FreeBSD I've never tried out, but I've had Debian/Linux |
| 23:56.10 | nsadmin | Bluefoxicy, if you were to compile anything, you might start with debootstrap |
| 23:57.35 | nsadmin | or, if deboostrap won't run under minix, try under ubuntu |
| 23:57.57 | dudley | Hi, all. |
| 23:57.59 | dondelelcaro | debootstrap is written in shell. You'd first need to deal with getting gcc and eglibc ported. |
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| 23:58.25 | dondelelcaro | but if you have time to waste on that, we've got lots of other work which would be far more useful |
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| 23:58.45 | nsadmin | so debootstrap could run under minix or ubuntu now |
| 23:59.15 | Bluefoxicy | cool |
| 23:59.16 | trysten | thanks alot dondelelcaro. you gave me exactly the knowledge i needed, but only after i wasted a bunch of your time. i wish i could have wasted less. nonetheless, i am very greatful |
| 23:59.26 | nsadmin | I'm still not understanding why you can't just use a netinst |
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