| 00:00.06 | tharkun | codertux: I think civillian allready hit the nail. there are lots of retransmitted packets shrinking the actual payload you can deliver |
| 00:00.13 | valerie | dvs, even if linux is not the only OS on the computer? |
| 00:00.35 | dvs | valerie: Yes, I have Win 7 installed on this machine too |
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| 00:00.37 | codertux | tharkun: but what causes those retransmissions? |
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| 00:01.37 | tharkun | codertux: hard to tell. you might want to try testing transfer speeds among your two servers on that datacenter. and go on from there |
| 00:02.01 | tharkun | You might need to file a service ticket with your provider |
| 00:02.16 | valerie | dvs, would it be safer to choose /dev/sda2 |
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| 00:02.44 | dvs | valerie: then how would you get your computer to boot from sda2? |
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| 00:03.33 | codertux | tharkun: i've filed a ticker, they replied with: We've checked the speeds in rescue system now and could find any problem. |
| 00:03.55 | codertux | so I don't expect much help from them... |
| 00:03.59 | valerie | dvs, I reeally do not know much about it. So, you think I should just choose /dev/sda? |
| 00:04.03 | tharkun | codertux: did you check the speed among your two servers? |
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| 00:04.38 | dvs | valerie: Yes, but I'm beginning to suspect that the partitioning is not correct. |
| 00:04.41 | codertux | tharkun: It was ~20mbit/s a few days ago, testing again now |
| 00:05.09 | dvs | valerie: The root partition must be in a primary partition |
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| 00:06.02 | valerie | dvs, it is logical. What can I do now? |
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| 00:07.20 | civillian | Samwan: once you have the password hash you can just overwrite any user you like in /etc/shadow with that hash |
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| 00:07.37 | civillian | assuming you're on local auth |
| 00:08.03 | dvs | valerie: Well, you have to find a primary partition to put the install on. I'm not sure if the Windows partition tool can rearrange things right. I typically use partimage from Knoppix to do it. |
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| 00:11.31 | codertux | either my wireless is acting out or the other server is down. can't log in |
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| 00:14.14 | codertux | nope, just my paranoid friend and his firewall. |
| 00:14.30 | spongetims | Hello, I try to install a Dell 1720dn printer on debian testing. CUPS doesn't support this printer. On the Dell webpage only 32 bit drivers for linux, however I need 64 bit driver. Has somebody a hint for me? |
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| 00:15.14 | divbell | virtualbox? |
| 00:15.31 | valerie | dvs, there only 3 other partitions that are primary. Can't I just choose primary for ext4 for linux? |
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| 00:16.44 | dvs | valerie: I don't understand the question. You can't use one of the three already existing partitions for linux? |
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| 00:19.07 | civillian | spongetims: try ia-32 |
| 00:19.10 | codertux | tharkun: ok, the second server is a friends server and he seems to have a pretty funky firewall config I don't really understand (and he's asleep, not answering his phone). |
| 00:19.24 | valerie | dvs, the three existing primary partitions have ntfs on them. So my question then, If Ido the install again, can I just name the partition for linux primary |
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| 00:20.02 | dvs | valerie: Rename one of the ntfs partitions? |
| 00:20.18 | spongetims | civillian: what do you mean by ia-32. Where can I try it? Sorry I'm very new to linux |
| 00:20.38 | codertux | tharkun: so it'll have to wait until the morning :/ I have access to another server but it's pretty far away, will that do? |
| 00:20.42 | valerie | dvs, no just rename ext4 partition |
| 00:20.55 | laidback_01 | spongetims, Personally since that's just a business class printer, I'd try a PCL driver for it. |
| 00:22.14 | dvs | valerie: So you want to change one of the ntfs partitions to an ext4 partition? |
| 00:22.17 | spongetims | Where can I get a PCL driver? |
| 00:22.19 | laidback_01 | yeah, I just checked, my install of CUPS includes HP PCL 4/5 drivers by default, that should work fine. If it's not a PCL printer, try a generic Postscript driver. |
| 00:22.24 | laidback_01 | they come with CUPs |
| 00:22.35 | laidback_01 | CUPS = Common Unix Printing System, it's very good. |
| 00:22.59 | stew | hah |
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| 00:23.17 | valerie | dvs, how many primary partitions can I have on one hard drive, 4? |
| 00:23.27 | codertux | tharkun: 1st try: http://paste.opensuse.org/85130770 and http://paste.opensuse.org/18860877 |
| 00:23.31 | codertux | valerie: yes |
| 00:23.43 | spongetims | In the list there are a lot of postscript driver but no one matches my model |
| 00:23.52 | valerie | codertux, thanks |
| 00:24.03 | codertux | valerie: extended partitions also use 1 primary partition |
| 00:24.04 | dvs | valerie: Yes. But if you have logical partitions, then one of those primary partitions have to be converted to hold them. |
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| 00:25.21 | laidback_01 | ... yeah, that was the reason I chose 'generic' as my word. there's a Generic PCL and Generic Postscript printer - they'll at least get you in the right dir if need be. |
| 00:25.43 | laidback_01 | If you are not using CUPs, I'm probably sending you down a wild goose chase. |
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| 00:26.21 | maylow | hello |
| 00:26.26 | maylow | i need help! |
| 00:26.37 | laidback_01 | one way to make sure you are using cups directly.... bring up a browser, point to http://localhost:631 |
| 00:26.39 | dvs | really? |
| 00:26.53 | laidback_01 | yep, really, that actually works |
| 00:27.08 | laidback_01 | :P |
| 00:27.12 | maylow | copied a debian distribution to a new pc with different video adapter |
| 00:27.15 | valerie | codertux, dvs, I think I am just going to delete my ext4 logical partition and call it primary instead. |
| 00:27.34 | spongetims | laidback_01: I'm unsing cups. Sorry but there is defenitly no generic thing |
| 00:27.40 | maylow | after playing around with xorg.conf got x to start |
| 00:27.40 | codertux | valerie: why would you do that? |
| 00:27.47 | maylow | but all text is pure squares |
| 00:27.54 | dvs | valerie: That'll work but you won't be able to add any more partition, including a swap partition. |
| 00:28.10 | laidback_01 | you will want to check for the driver package. I don't recall what it's called in debian. I'm just here as a tourist - I use freebsd ;) |
| 00:28.10 | maylow | have absolutely no idea why |
| 00:28.38 | laidback_01 | iirc it's apt-cache search cups | grep driver to find the driver package for cups |
| 00:28.48 | laidback_01 | or something similar |
| 00:28.56 | maylow | laidback_01: r u talking to me? :) |
| 00:28.57 | valerie | dvs, my swap partition is logical, isn't it OK? |
| 00:28.58 | codertux | tharkun: other way round: http://paste.opensuse.org/76840062 and http://paste.opensuse.org/88570952 |
| 00:29.06 | laidback_01 | no |
| 00:29.16 | stew | maylow: sounds like you need more/different fonts |
| 00:29.29 | stew | maylow: why are you using an xorg.conf at all? |
| 00:29.55 | maylow | stew: same distro is ok on another machine nearby |
| 00:30.00 | laidback_01 | was going to ask about that... I'd just move the xorg.conf to xorg.off just to see. |
| 00:30.13 | laidback_01 | restart X and see if the automagic works. |
| 00:30.32 | codertux | laidback_01: the xorg automagic works for me for quite some years now :) |
| 00:30.45 | maylow | sec to test it |
| 00:30.52 | stew | maylow: ok. but why do you have an xorg.conf? does x work (better?) without one? |
| 00:30.56 | laidback_01 | yeah same here, save that I like nvidia cards, so I always have to fsck with that. |
| 00:31.11 | codertux | laidback_01: < nouveau user here |
| 00:31.14 | dvs | valerie: A logical swap partition is ok |
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| 00:32.00 | laidback_01 | yeah, I'm not politically correct and really don't care if the drivers are open source or not ;) |
| 00:32.44 | valerie | dvs, thanks |
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| 00:32.54 | dvs | valerie: no prob |
| 00:33.30 | maylow | laidback_01: how do i restart X? should ctrl-alt-backspace do the trick |
| 00:33.38 | maylow | laidback_01: or i have to reboot |
| 00:33.58 | stew | maylow: exit your window manager |
| 00:34.04 | stew | or desktop session |
| 00:34.29 | spongetims | laidback_01: no generic package |
| 00:34.30 | maylow | ctrl-alt-backspace let me relogin |
| 00:34.36 | maylow | the login screen was ok |
| 00:34.39 | laidback_01 | yep, what he said. I just /usr/local/etc/rc.d/gdm restart it's something similar in debian. |
| 00:34.42 | maylow | inside - it's still a mess |
| 00:34.50 | maylow | i c |
| 00:34.53 | maylow | let me try |
| 00:35.02 | laidback_01 | well, ctrl-alt numpad + and - |
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| 00:35.13 | laidback_01 | that should jump around the various resolutions |
| 00:35.25 | laidback_01 | what does lspci show about your vid card anyway? |
| 00:35.34 | codertux | laidback_01: lack of support for xrandr in the blob is a deal breaker for me. I hate twinview |
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| 00:36.07 | nsadmin | laidback_01, whatever;s in its db |
| 00:36.42 | codertux | tharkun: are you still there? |
| 00:36.51 | maylow | stew: i have a xorg.conf, because the other pc is nvidia, which creates xorg.conf |
| 00:37.18 | laidback_01 | spongetims, have you: apt-get update; apt-get install cups cups-client yet? |
| 00:37.20 | stew | maylow: does this machine work wihtout an xorg.conf? |
| 00:37.41 | maylow | stew: i have x, same font mess |
| 00:37.59 | stew | maylow: have you tried it without a xorg.conf? |
| 00:38.03 | laidback_01 | stew, that's what he just tried I think - without xorg.conf |
| 00:38.14 | maylow | stew: yes, no xorg.conf |
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| 00:38.52 | stew | maylow: which driver are you using? |
| 00:38.55 | spongetims | laidback_01: yep |
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| 00:40.10 | maylow | stew: i just made it work by half-blindly changing the os fonts all to ubuntu |
| 00:40.27 | maylow | stew: obviously the failing font was ms sans serif |
| 00:40.52 | laidback_01 | and so when you are using http://localhost:631 what MAKEs of printers do you have? I have Dymo, Epson, ESP, Generic, HP, Intellitech, Oki, Raw, Zebra |
| 00:41.02 | maylow | stew: i'm curious why font rendering depends on video driver? |
| 00:41.03 | codertux | civillian: ping? |
| 00:41.16 | civillian | codertux: huh? |
| 00:41.43 | stew | maylow: i don't know if they do or not. if you are using a cloased source driver, then who knows what is going on and I'm not interested in trying to figure out |
| 00:41.49 | laidback_01 | spongetims, also, what happens when you apt-get update; apt-cache search cups ? can you post that to pastebin? |
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| 00:42.34 | maylow | stew: actually i don't know if it's closed source |
| 00:42.43 | stew | i can tell you |
| 00:43.00 | codertux | civillian: can I pm you? it's getting chatty around here |
| 00:43.03 | maylow | stew: how do i check? |
| 00:43.56 | stew | maylow: /var/log/Xorg.0.log which is a good place to look for font problems as well |
| 00:44.25 | MouseTheLuckyDog | How do I generate a list of packages that I need to install to build a package in an apt-get system? |
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| 00:45.36 | stew | MouseTheLuckyDog: you want to actualy install them or just generate a list? |
| 00:45.54 | MouseTheLuckyDog | stew: I want to generate a list. |
| 00:46.31 | maylow | stew: (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist |
| 00:46.38 | maylow | stew: (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75" does not exist |
| 00:47.09 | stew | MouseTheLuckyDog: apt-get --print-uris install build-depends ; apt-get --print-uris build-dep packagename |
| 00:47.13 | maylow | stew: (==) FontPath set to: ... and here comes a list of folders |
| 00:47.19 | stew | maylow: use a pastebin |
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| 00:47.25 | valerie | dvs, I am trying to change ext4 from logical to primary, but it doesn't even give that choice. I have #1 primary 209 MB B ntfs, #2 primary 255 GB ntfs, #6 logical 217 GB ext4 /, #5 logical 8 GB swap, and unusable 4 GB. If I can 4 primary partitions, why I do not have that choice for for ext4 / ? |
| 00:47.26 | stew | maylow: you can put the whole log into a pastebin |
| 00:47.40 | maylow | i suspect this is part of the problem |
| 00:47.56 | maylow | stew: ok, let me switch to irc on the affected machine :) |
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| 00:48.52 | daniel___ | re |
| 00:48.58 | dvs | valerie: Because in order to have four primary partitions, you can't have ANY logical partitions. |
| 00:49.03 | maylow2 | re |
| 00:50.00 | spongetims | laidback_01: For sure I will copy you the output. At the moment the system made a upgrade. After the I will post it :) Thanks for your help |
| 00:50.07 | maylow2 | http://pastebin.com/zSQ9KN3v |
| 00:50.39 | maylow2 | stew |
| 00:51.01 | valerie | dvs, so I need to delete #6 ext4 and #5 swap and then make primary for ext4? |
| 00:51.43 | dvs | valerie: Yes, and if you do that you cannot make any more partitions. |
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| 00:52.21 | stew | valerie: why do you care if partitions are primary or logical? |
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| 00:52.56 | dvs | stew: Need to make a linux partition to boot from and there are already three primary ntfs partitions |
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| 00:53.24 | valerie | dvs, so I can not make swap ? |
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| 00:53.37 | dvs | valerie: Nope |
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| 00:54.01 | nsadmin | one of your four primaries has to be swap if you want a swap |
| 00:54.09 | dvs | At least not a swap parition but you can make a swap file which is a lot slower |
| 00:54.26 | nsadmin | you could do lvm |
| 00:54.32 | valerie | dvs, how can I have linux then? |
| 00:54.34 | stew | dvs: ok, so why not use one of the logical partitions? |
| 00:54.36 | dvs | nsadmin: No, my swap parition is on a logical partition |
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| 00:54.59 | maylow2 | stew: http://pastebin.com/zSQ9KN3v |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | nsadmin: i think that was the rule in 2001 |
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| 00:55.18 | valerie | stew, because / should be on primary partition. am I not right? |
| 00:55.29 | dvs | valerie: I had to change one of my ntfs partitions to a linux partition |
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| 00:55.51 | stew | valerie: you are not right, it doesn't matter |
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| 00:56.12 | stew | nsadmin: why does it have to be one of the primaries? |
| 00:56.21 | nsadmin | abrotman, right now he has no extended (or that's what he's considering) |
| 00:56.24 | stew | abrotman: wait, what? |
| 00:56.34 | stew | abrotman: i do not believe at all that was a rule in 2001 |
| 00:56.36 | valerie | dvs, but somehow linux was there together with all the partitions for ntfs |
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| 00:57.19 | stew | nsadmin: is he telling you stuff in private that he isn't saying here? |
| 00:57.34 | abrotman | stew: i said think! |
| 00:57.34 | valerie | stew, you mean I can have linux installed on logical partition? |
| 00:57.41 | stew | valerie: absolutely |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | not a big deal either way, it's certainly not the case today |
| 00:58.23 | dvs | stew: And boot to it using GRUB? |
| 00:58.26 | stew | dvs: yes |
| 00:58.42 | valerie | stew, I had linux on logical partition and it would not boot |
| 00:58.43 | nsadmin | stew: nope, it's in your scrollback |
| 00:58.52 | maylow2 | ok, 10x for the assistance |
| 00:58.54 | dvs | stew: That never worked for me but alright. |
| 00:58.55 | stew | nsadmin: no, its not |
| 00:58.59 | stew | dvs: it works for me right now |
| 00:59.03 | maylow2 | good luck |
| 00:59.04 | nsadmin | it's in mine :P |
| 00:59.04 | maylow2 | farewell |
| 00:59.08 | maylow2 | goodbye |
| 00:59.13 | maylow2 | ciao |
| 00:59.21 | maylow2 | aufwiedersehen |
| 00:59.27 | stew | valerie: if your linux wouldn't boo, it is not becaus of the fact that it was on a logical partition, it was some other problem |
| 00:59.30 | maylow2 | досвидания |
| 00:59.31 | maylow2 | etc :) |
| 00:59.57 | stew | maylow2: you have a font problem, install more fonts or use differnet fonts |
| 01:00.50 | maylow2 | quit |
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| 01:03.03 | valerie | stew, maybe so, but I would like to know how I can now finish the disk partitioning. I have four primary partitions on it now and no swap. Do I need to change one of the partitions to logical in order to make swap? |
| 01:04.29 | stew | valerie: how many of those 4 partitions can you use? you probably want 2 for linux. |
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| 01:04.40 | stew | valerie: if you can't use two of those for linux, you need extended partitions |
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| 01:04.55 | stew | well instead of two, two or more |
| 01:05.38 | dvs | stew: There are three primary partitions that valerie doesn't want to change. |
| 01:07.24 | valerie | stew, I have #1 primary 209 MB B ntfs, #2 primary 255 GB ntfs , #4 primary 217 GB ext4 / ,unusable 8 GB, #3 primary 15 GB ntfs unusable 4 GB |
| 01:07.38 | g0dfrey | Nobody in #debian-next response so could i ask a question here? |
| 01:07.58 | laidback_01 | don't ask to ask... just ask. |
| 01:08.03 | stew | g0dfrey: yes |
| 01:08.08 | g0dfrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.17 | g0dfrey | The same configure work with squeeze |
| 01:09.42 | nsadmin | valerie, one question, do you have spare drives? |
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| 01:10.24 | maher | how do i find the remaining time on my dhcp-client lease - prefereably from the command line? |
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| 01:11.29 | valerie | nsadmin, no and it is not my laptop, so I would rather not touch the ntfs files |
| 01:11.50 | nsadmin | hmm. good point |
| 01:12.18 | nsadmin | so... the laptop owner wants linux? |
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| 01:13.33 | valerie | nsadmin, yes |
| 01:13.34 | stew | valerie: so put everythin on the existing partition that has ext4 now |
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| 01:14.43 | nsadmin | does the laptop have an esata port? |
| 01:14.57 | dvs | nsadmin: There is no extra drive to use. |
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| 01:15.03 | valerie | stew, everything??? ntfs? swap? |
| 01:15.21 | stew | valerie: are ANY of these partitions disposable? |
| 01:15.38 | stew | valerie: i thought you only wanted to save the ntfs partitions, not the partition with ext4 |
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| 01:15.44 | nsadmin | remember you don't want to touch the ntfs partitions |
| 01:16.03 | nsadmin | stew, maybe the one that originally had the ext partition |
| 01:16.29 | dvs | stew: Yeah, the ext4 can be changed. |
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| 01:17.49 | nsadmin | if valerie can boot from a logical partition and you can help make that happen, then the easiest way would be to make it an ext again, and make / and swap logical partitions (which is the way it was, which valerie was having trouble booting) |
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| 01:18.08 | spongetims | laidback_01: tata http://paste.debian.net/172281/ |
| 01:18.38 | dvs | nsadmin: But GRUB2 wouldn't boot that / partition |
| 01:18.43 | stew | /boot swap /usr whatever they can all be logical or primary or bootoable or not or whatever, grub doesn't really care |
| 01:19.07 | valerie | stew, yes, but I was told that ext mounted on root should be a primary partition |
| 01:19.10 | nsadmin | dvs, stew seems to have a resource |
| 01:19.17 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.22 | stew | nsadmin: what resource? |
| 01:19.25 | dvs | nsadmin: Guess so. |
| 01:19.33 | stew | valerie: you were mislead |
| 01:19.42 | paw | query, aside from installing scim, what other methods are there for someone to change the keyboard input language? |
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| 01:22.17 | valerie | stew, what about dvs comment that GRUB2 wouldn't boot that logical root partition. Is it not right? |
| 01:22.34 | stew | paw: running "setxkbmap _something_"? |
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| 01:22.41 | stew | valerie: that is incorrect. grub doesn't care |
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| 01:22.45 | stew | valerie: this is how I boot |
| 01:23.29 | nsadmin | interesting... can grub2 boot a system all in lvm? |
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| 01:26.00 | nsadmin | more specifically... say grub2 is already installed, and is booting host A... if the debian installer were used to install a host B where there is not / or /boot or any other partition outside the lvm, can the grub2 be made to boot it? say, from the grub shell |
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| 01:26.50 | valerie | stew, do you recommend to make ext4 / logical and continue with installation? |
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| 01:31.51 | nsadmin | valerie, I'd say give it a shot... if what he says is true, it will just boot that way... if not, it's easy to start over |
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| 01:33.55 | nsadmin | this is a laptop? so, make the swap be about 2x the ram, then you'll have the chance hibernate will work |
| 01:35.36 | valerie | nsadmin, thanks. I also know that 15 GB ntfs file is for recovery for windows. Maybe I can delete it. So , when there are 4 primary partitions, I can not make any extended/logical partitions? |
| 01:36.13 | dvs | ... |
| 01:36.14 | nsadmin | valerie, is that one of the three primaries? |
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| 01:36.31 | valerie | nsadmin, yes |
| 01:36.40 | nsadmin | nono, don't delete it |
| 01:36.49 | nsadmin | I like your original idea |
| 01:36.55 | nsadmin | don't touch any of them |
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| 01:38.02 | valerie | nsadmin, OK, what was my original idea? to have ext4 / logical and not being able to boot it? |
| 01:38.44 | nsadmin | your original idea was: no touching any of the three ntfs partitions :) |
| 01:38.50 | valerie | nsadmin, thanks anyway |
| 01:38.58 | valerie | stew, thanks |
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| 01:40.02 | nsadmin | valerie, stew thinks it will boot... and, I don't know how he accomplished it; he seems to have disappeared before finishing working with you |
| 01:40.29 | dvs | me neither. |
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| 01:41.41 | nsadmin | valerie, when you installed before and tried to boot, what exactly happened? |
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| 01:43.27 | valerie | nsadmin, I would have a screen with both operating systems and if I chose linux, it would say loading, please wait and than black or garbled screen would appear and stay that way |
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| 01:44.01 | nsadmin | valerie, ok, so then we know grub did boot |
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| 01:44.39 | nsadmin | if you choose windows from that screen, does windows boot? |
| 01:45.28 | acidchild | Hello, after i upgraded to wheezy i am no longer able to suspend. When i attempt to suspend it says "failed to suspend session" "not authorized". i am using xfce4 and started using 'startx' xinitrc using startxfce4. I see people having other issues but none related to debian (some ubuntu) and one person fixed it by reinstall polkit. Any suggestions? |
| 01:45.32 | nsadmin | could you tell us the filename of the iso image you used to install? |
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| 01:48.27 | nsadmin | acidchild, so you need to find out why you're not authorized, and what component has decided so, and what component is enforcing this |
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| 01:52.34 | Jaggz- | when I setup powerdns's recursor (pdns-recursor) -- where do I configure the nameservers it will use for lookups itself, or does everything come from the root ns list? |
| 01:52.34 | acidchild | nsadmin: would there be a log file that would detail these kinds of errors? i have checked messages, nothing there. |
| 01:52.56 | nsadmin | you could try /var/log/auth.log |
| 01:53.13 | acidchild | nothing. |
| 01:53.45 | Jaggz- | I'm having a problem because I set up pdns as authoritive, and pdns-recursor for all local lookups of everything, but even authoritive lookups are taking a long time (5 to 10 seconds to return an answer) |
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| 01:54.08 | nsadmin | ok, so maybe it's something (a) in xfce (b) which does not log |
| 01:54.15 | acidchild | Jaggz-: do a dig +trace and see what is happening. |
| 01:54.30 | acidchild | i checked ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:54.48 | acidchild | i don't know, i will look more indepth later, just wondered if others had experienced the issue and had a quick fix. |
| 01:54.54 | nsadmin | Jaggz-, heya... |
| 01:55.00 | acidchild | Jaggz-: dig 4.2.2.2 +trace @localhost |
| 01:55.13 | acidchild | what does your /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 01:55.17 | Jaggz- | hi nsadmin :) |
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| 01:55.37 | Jaggz- | resolv.conf I set to the local recursive IP (192.168...) so local lookups will utilize the recursive server |
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| 01:56.12 | acidchild | run a trace and see where the hickup is. |
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| 01:56.18 | nsadmin | is the recursive server (or one of them) in that subnet? |
| 01:56.22 | swerve | anyone know what pkg gives libicuil8n.so.48? I searched all deb pkg names & descriptions for libicuil8n but it said no results |
| 01:56.22 | lars_g | whines |
| 01:56.23 | lars_g | :) |
| 01:56.37 | Jaggz- | subsequent to that line I have several other IPs.. |
| 01:56.41 | acidchild | gets whine glass out |
| 01:56.46 | Jaggz- | (isp's dns.. etc.) |
| 01:57.00 | Jaggz- | yes, my recursive and authoritive are together |
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| 01:57.07 | Jaggz- | but not on the same host/ip |
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| 01:58.08 | nsadmin | , names libicuil8n.so* |
| 01:58.10 | judd | Search for libicuil8n.so* in squeeze/i386: |
| 01:58.29 | nsadmin | , names libicuil8n* |
| 01:58.31 | judd | Search for libicuil8n* in squeeze/i386: |
| 01:59.08 | nsadmin | swerve, what version of debian? |
| 02:00.46 | Jaggz- | I wonder if this could be with transfering an IP from one machine to the other |
| 02:01.10 | Jaggz- | I had two default routes.. hm |
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| 02:01.14 | Jaggz- | that was slowing things down |
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| 02:02.03 | nsadmin | how are things workin now? |
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| 02:04.32 | Jaggz- | that seemed to be the main problem with that strange slowdown.. still testing things though. |
| 02:04.51 | Jaggz- | should a dig +trace of a domain which we auth for go to the root servers? |
| 02:05.56 | gnarface | Jaggz-: uh... depends on the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf i would think |
| 02:06.21 | gnarface | Jaggz-: perhaps yours doesn't contain your own nameservers? or contains others in addition ? |
| 02:06.35 | Jaggz- | it has search my_tld.com and the first line is my local DNS |
| 02:06.41 | Jaggz- | yeah it has others in addition |
| 02:07.05 | Jaggz- | when I remove those others dig still shows the full screen of root servers though |
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| 02:07.22 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 02:07.36 | Jaggz- | but, then again, there were some differences between how dig, nslookup, host, etc. process things |
| 02:07.47 | gnarface | what dig command? |
| 02:08.40 | Jaggz- | dig www.myhost.com +trace |
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| 02:09.03 | gnarface | same as dig @www.myhost.com +trace? |
| 02:09.04 | Jaggz- | dig @localdnsip www.myhost.com looks up without going through root servers |
| 02:09.10 | gnarface | ah |
| 02:09.28 | Jaggz- | trying that now.. not sure what @ will do in this context.. |
| 02:09.32 | Jaggz- | no servers could be reached |
| 02:09.40 | Jaggz- | what's dig @something +trace do? |
| 02:09.50 | gnarface | not sure dig is kinda new to me |
| 02:09.57 | gnarface | didn't know about +trace |
| 02:10.19 | nsadmin | meetoo! |
| 02:10.21 | gnarface | but i can guess that if its trying to do reverse lookups on the ips between you and your nameserver, if your nameserver doesn't have entries, it might ask the root servers |
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| 02:11.02 | gnarface | i tend to always add reverse lookups to my bind config for local ips just so that its complete (even if technically i'm not authoritative for their arpa lookups) |
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| 02:11.30 | gnarface | bind won't care if you lie about that and nothing else will either if your only reverse lookups come from your own ips |
| 02:11.31 | Jaggz- | hmm.. I put reverses there too |
| 02:11.37 | Jaggz- | although I'm using powerdns right now |
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| 02:12.56 | Jaggz- | I think it's all working now.. so the only thing is wondering about dig outputting all the root ns's and the primary/secondary ns (whois) records.. THEN getting the IP |
| 02:13.00 | Jaggz- | for what I'd think would be a local lookup |
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| 02:13.23 | Jaggz- | (also I suspect a security issue) |
| 02:13.52 | gnarface | yea ... sounds strange |
| 02:14.20 | gnarface | but i don't know much about powerdns so i can't tell you where to check there |
| 02:14.58 | gnarface | when you do a normal traceroute to your dns server are the only ip addresses in the chain local ip addresses, or are some of them public? |
| 02:15.18 | gnarface | also, does the traceroute change between runs? |
| 02:15.32 | gnarface | (i'd suspect not if you solved the routing issue already) |
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| 02:16.20 | Jaggz- | I'm doing it from localhost |
| 02:16.30 | gnarface | oh, ON the dns server? |
| 02:17.15 | Jaggz- | yeah.. trying that and from another server |
| 02:17.19 | gnarface | something is on the tip of my brain here about this but i've clearly been awake too long because i'm failing at digging it up |
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| 02:17.42 | dvs | !tea gnarface |
| 02:17.42 | dpkg | hands gnarface a nice iced bone china cup of mint tea. |
| 02:17.52 | gnarface | hah nice |
| 02:18.02 | Jaggz- | !btea jaggz- |
| 02:18.15 | Jaggz- | I woke up earlier and went right to work |
| 02:18.25 | Jaggz- | need a bit of nourishment :/ |
| 02:18.29 | iateadonut | i've got my ip in hosts.allow, but it keeps showing up in hosts.deny and blocking sftp requests. |
| 02:19.53 | gnarface | Jaggz-: the ip addresses you have reverses for in your powerdns config; does it claim to be authoritative for them too? |
| 02:21.04 | gnarface | i know in bind with views you can configure it to only claim authoritative status to certain clients |
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| 02:21.53 | gnarface | i had a hell of a time with multi-homed dns servers and multi-homed clients not being predictable about which ip sent the request |
| 02:23.38 | Jaggz- | authority flag is 0 |
| 02:24.13 | Jaggz- | dig @auth_dns_ip -x auth_dns_ip (using the same IP because we reverse it.. why not) |
| 02:24.37 | Jaggz- | same if I replace with -x other_local_ips |
| 02:24.51 | Jaggz- | actually I don't get an autho flag on any lookups |
| 02:24.58 | Jaggz- | oh wait, aa flag is set though |
| 02:25.06 | Jaggz- | I believe the aa flag is the important one |
| 02:25.34 | Jaggz- | question 3 here: http://wiki.powerdns.com/trac/wiki/PowerDNSFaq |
| 02:26.04 | Jaggz- | excuse me.. the question has moved :) it's down here at "PowerDNS does not give authoritative answers, how come?" |
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| 02:29.00 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 02:29.15 | gnarface | Jaggz-: so the answer is because "you don't deserve it?" ? |
| 02:29.56 | gnarface | or is it just more of an output data thing? |
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| 02:31.52 | gnarface | i got nothing |
| 02:32.21 | gnarface | but my question at this point is whether its actually querying the root servers for local lookups or if its just outputting its cached list as ancillary data to your query? |
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| 02:33.40 | Jaggz- | lol, what? |
| 02:34.03 | Jaggz- | regarding your last question.. I don't know. |
| 02:34.46 | gnarface | Jaggz-: yea.. uh sorry. i don't either. here's what i *do* know... the bind config i get default with debian squeeze even has authoritative records for localhost forward and reverse zones and for broadcast zones (as per RFC 1912 it says) |
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| 02:37.09 | Jaggz- | mine's showing auth on those.. just the path it's taking.. it shows the root servers, says it received 400-something bytes.. same as when I do an outside lookup of someone else's host.. then it shows "com." and the root servers again, says it received 400 something other bytes |
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| 02:38.52 | gnarface | Jaggz-: and that's with the command "dig @dnsip -x dnsip", where dnsip is your public ip of the dns server? |
| 02:39.29 | PAMPAM | ciao |
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| 02:39.41 | PAMPAM | !list |
| 02:39.41 | dpkg | pampam: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 02:40.21 | dvs | luv those warez! |
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| 02:40.55 | gnarface | beneath a steel sky = best game evar |
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| 02:45.31 | Fidelix | Hello. I'm having a serious problem here on my server. My USB drive is not appearing, and dmesg has this: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device number 5 using ohci_hcd |
| 02:45.38 | Jaggz- | gnarface, yes.. both forward and reverse -x |
| 02:45.39 | Fidelix | Then: usb 3-1: device descriptor read/8, error -110 |
| 02:46.07 | Fidelix | Can someone, PLEASE, help me fix this? I tried to reboot the server twice. One with "init 6" and another one with shutdown -r now |
| 02:46.39 | gnarface | Jaggz-: maybe i'm reading the output wrong but it doesn't appear that i'm getting the same behavior with bind here. i see no root servers mentioned in the output |
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| 02:52.28 | Fidelix | help? |
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| 02:54.18 | gnarface | Fidelix: i got nothing for you other than a random guess that maybe you're using a really out-dated kernel, or a custom one that is incomplete? |
| 02:55.11 | gnarface | Fidelix: hardware failure is always possible as well.. does this device work in other machines? |
| 02:56.19 | gnarface | Fidelix: your debian version could be useful information as well |
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| 03:01.32 | wajasu | i've got my net install iso, using a preseed.cfg file to answer question. is there a way to configure it in the iso so the initial graphical menu (Install, Graphic ...) doesn't come up and just begins the debian-installer? is some auto related parameter available? |
| 03:02.41 | gnarface | wajasu: uh, i'm pretty sure the answer is yes. and i'm pretty sure i read it in the preseeding docs, somewhere but i never got around to testing it and i forget the exact line |
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| 03:03.18 | gnarface | wajasu: it may have changed as of squeeze |
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| 03:06.19 | iateadonut | i'm using keys to login to a server through ssh |
| 03:06.39 | iateadonut | from my computer, i can log in fine, but from my wife's computer, the ip address gets put on hosts.deny and then the connection times out. |
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| 03:07.58 | iateadonut | i just can't figure it out. where should i look first to figure this out? |
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| 03:09.47 | gnarface | iateadonut: the verbose output of ssh might be helpful... |
| 03:12.20 | iateadonut | d'oh! |
| 03:12.21 | iateadonut | thanks |
| 03:12.28 | gnarface | np |
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| 03:14.18 | iateadonut | well, still can't connect with dolphin, though. |
| 03:15.29 | gnarface | not sure what dolphin even is |
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| 03:15.49 | gnarface | also i got nothing on that hosts.deny thing |
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| 03:16.53 | gnarface | full disclosure: its been more than a decade since i turned my back on all ssh clients and servers except openssh |
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| 03:18.00 | iateadonut | what do you use now? |
| 03:18.05 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 03:18.11 | iateadonut | yeah, the command line. |
| 03:18.19 | iateadonut | dolphin is a gui for kde |
| 03:18.23 | gnarface | ah i see |
| 03:18.35 | gnarface | does it have verbose output? |
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| 03:18.51 | gnarface | maybe its blocking some important info from your view (gui interfaces tend to do that) |
| 03:19.48 | simonlnu | in .xsession-errors probably ;) |
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| 03:20.24 | gnarface | sometimes its as simple as an out-dated entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts that needs to be manually purged. even simple bash scripts might block the relevant error output from ssh |
| 03:20.54 | gnarface | with a frontend ... if its too old... could be other more bizarre stuff like trying ssh v1 by default or something |
| 03:21.08 | gnarface | again, i don't know shit about dolphin, and probably even less about kde |
| 03:21.35 | gnarface | i would expect google to know |
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| 03:35.40 | Jaggz- | why in the world would 4.2.2.2 not look up my domain name, but google and others do?? |
| 03:36.33 | Jaggz- | and it works if I do +trace, but if I do dig @4.2.2.2 myhost.com it says "no servers could be reached"... again, add +trace and it shows the root servers, the primary and secondary, and the final IP |
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| 03:45.29 | gnarface | Jaggz-: uh... maybe something about recursion? |
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| 03:45.52 | gnarface | Jaggz-: probably not though... not sure really |
| 03:46.03 | Jaggz- | :/ |
| 03:46.21 | Jaggz- | not good for one of the long-time popular public dns's to not be able to look up my host |
| 03:47.30 | gnarface | Jaggz-: well... it could be due to lack of or still pending propogation, and it could be because your registrar still doesn't recognize your own nameserver as authoritative for your domain, but 4.2.2.2 *does* look up my domains... adding +trace however also does give me that dump of the root servers i suspect you've been seeing everywhere |
| 03:48.20 | Jaggz- | no it's been the same ns for years |
| 03:48.30 | Jaggz- | although I moved the IP to another computer.. |
| 03:48.41 | Jaggz- | oh! I didn't update the serials.. that might matter |
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| 03:51.32 | gnarface | Jaggz-: doh! |
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| 03:51.42 | Jaggz- | when I do it on this remote system it works.. when I do it locally it doesn't.. |
| 03:51.52 | Jaggz- | host mysite.com 4.2.2.2 |
| 03:51.55 | Jaggz- | want to try? |
| 03:52.24 | gnarface | Jaggz-: try what? querying 4.2.2.2 for my own domains? confirmed present |
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| 03:53.20 | Jaggz- | no mine |
| 03:53.58 | gnarface | sure, what is it? |
| 03:55.10 | Jaggz- | pmsg |
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| 04:05.40 | Viking667 | quick question. What program handles the :5900 service? I can't seem to get it started. |
| 04:05.59 | Viking667 | I thought it was vino |
| 04:06.55 | civillian | Viking667: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=port+5900 |
| 04:07.43 | Viking667 | I know it's vnc. that's not quite the question 'm asking. I'm asking what handles that on a standard Debian distribution? Is it vino-server? |
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| 04:09.13 | gnarface | Viking667: its not gonna profit you a lot to ask what VNC server you're *probably* running because there are many and its unlikely anyone here will guess for you anyway. what you *should* be asking is how do you find out what process owns a port currently |
| 04:09.22 | gnarface | Viking667: fuser and lsof are popular tools for finding that out |
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| 04:09.49 | gnarface | Viking667: i'm assuming you have port 5900 open on a machine of yours right now and you're trying to figure out which vnc server holds it, right? |
| 04:10.23 | gnarface | Viking667: or am i wrong and you're just trying to figure out which vnc server to install? in that case... take your pick |
| 04:10.37 | Viking667 | Well actually, I'm trying to figure out why an installed vino-server isn't even running. |
| 04:10.48 | Viking667 | sorry, I guess I've got irc-itis |
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| 04:11.17 | Viking667 | may I walk you through what I'm doing, maybe you can help. |
| 04:11.24 | Viking667 | I've got a Gnome Classic desktop. |
| 04:11.28 | gnarface | Viking667: well ... since you know that part then you should check the vino-server docs for wherever it logs (maybe /var/log/daemon.log if you're lucky) and check that log for startup errors |
| 04:11.53 | Viking667 | I'll look that up, thank you. That's more useful to me. |
| 04:12.03 | gnarface | Viking667: that's the most specific information i can give you without myself knowing vino-server |
| 04:14.39 | gnarface | Viking667: also in case you didn't now... every real debian package *usually* has some good docs at least as far as a starting location for reading in /usr/share/doc/[package name] |
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| 04:15.12 | gnarface | Viking667: the man pages aren't always named as obviously, but they're a great place to read too |
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| 04:17.58 | Viking667 | There aren't any man pages. There's no significant documentation. |
| 04:18.11 | Viking667 | ... at least, not as delivered with the "vino" deb. |
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| 04:18.41 | Viking667 | And all I get from running the server is: the desktop sharing service is not enabled, so it should not be run. |
| 04:19.04 | gnarface | Viking667: sometimes bigger projects have them in a separate -doc package. like i said i've got no experience with vino but there's always other vnc servers... |
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| 04:19.36 | gnarface | Viking667: copy+pasting log entries like that into google has a high rate of success too |
| 04:19.49 | Viking667 | hm. seems that running it as the logged-on user is better. |
| 04:20.02 | gnarface | ah! narrowing down on the problem |
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| 04:20.26 | gnarface | i wonder if its related to the whole xhost thing |
| 04:20.40 | gnarface | i usually just ssh forward... way less of a pain in the ass |
| 04:20.49 | gnarface | er, X11 forward over ssh, i mean |
| 04:20.51 | gnarface | you know |
| 04:20.52 | Viking667 | I seem to have it working, at least. |
| 04:20.58 | gnarface | hooraaay! |
| 04:21.09 | Viking667 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.20 | Viking667 | ouch. Seems I just killed it. |
| 04:21.24 | gnarface | hah |
| 04:21.34 | gnarface | well, good luck, you're in deeper than i can help, sorry |
| 04:21.36 | Viking667 | whoops, no I didn't. lol. |
| 04:23.34 | gnarface | i setup vnc once or twice then largely abandoned the concept when i realized you don't have to share the whole workspace to run graphical programs on a remote server |
| 04:23.50 | gnarface | most people put a lot more value in workspaces than i do though |
| 04:24.05 | gnarface | to me a window manager is something you use to open more terminals |
| 04:24.15 | Viking667 | I find that separating tasks into distinct workspaces helps me focus |
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| 04:24.24 | gnarface | to each their own |
| 04:24.45 | Viking667 | ... for my wife, workspaces just confuse her, so she never uses them. |
| 04:25.22 | gnarface | i use virtual desktops in e16 |
| 04:25.22 | Dulak | Hah, my wife pitches a fit when she accidentally switches desktops. |
| 04:26.04 | dalias | i don't understand the usefulness or workspaces... |
| 04:26.11 | gnarface | yea my favorite thing about being able to turn off edge-flip sensitivity in e16 is how mad it makes windows users |
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| 04:26.26 | gnarface | especially when you got a 5600dpi mouse and nobody has skillz anymore |
| 04:27.15 | Viking667 | hm? |
| 04:27.26 | peterrooney | has used enlightenment for about a decade. until someone comes up with something demonstrably better |
| 04:27.26 | Viking667 | But... but.... but... Windows doesn't HAVE workspaces. |
| 04:27.57 | gnarface | Viking667: exactly |
| 04:28.11 | gnarface | Viking667: it doesn't have virtual desktop space either |
| 04:28.27 | Viking667 | you can ADD that, but it's third-party. |
| 04:28.31 | peterrooney | dalias: it lets me have dozens of windows open, but alt-tab only shows a select three or four at a time. |
| 04:28.37 | Viking667 | For ATI you get it as part of the video driver. |
| 04:28.47 | Viking667 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.48 | gnarface | good for them |
| 04:28.49 | Dulak | I really only use workspaces as a way to make groups for alt-tabbing. I like not having to tab through 20 windows everytime I want to get at something. |
| 04:29.05 | gnarface | i did really like the way compiz does window groups |
| 04:29.16 | gnarface | i didn't like the way how it does everything else incredibly badly |
| 04:30.29 | Viking667 | mmm. I _could_ group multiple full-screened applications of the same type onto the same workspace, but that just gets confusing if the app grabs the keyboard and doesn't want to let go |
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| 04:30.58 | gnarface | yea, i don't allow that shit |
| 04:30.59 | peterrooney | Viking667: what kind of misconfigured app does that? |
| 04:31.12 | gnarface | peterrooney: Rage running in Wine |
| 04:31.19 | Viking667 | try that new piece of shit called unity |
| 04:32.15 | Viking667 | hence why I use metacity rather than having to put up with all the grief that e17 gives me. |
| 04:32.19 | Viking667 | e16 was nice.... |
| 04:32.24 | Dulak | Anyone see the ubuntu circlejerk on reddit today when someone realized the HIB is available through the ubuntu software center? |
| 04:32.34 | Viking667 | blinks |
| 04:32.42 | Viking667 | nope? |
| 04:33.02 | gnarface | e17 tries too hard to be mac os x's Aqua but isn't nearly as useful and it was a huge mistake for them to ditch the e16 pager and virtual desktop behavior |
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| 04:33.27 | gnarface | but you can't expect every step to be a step forward |
| 04:33.37 | Dulak | A dev got in there and started thanking everyone for all the good wishes, and how they don't get enough thanks. All I could think was 'you got 1 thing right and a thank-you, doesn't mean you didn't fuck up everything else.' |
| 04:34.44 | peterrooney | gnarface, is that's the plan for e17? I'll stick to e16 if true. |
| 04:35.07 | gnarface | peterrooney: its the behavior i've *seen* for e17. i wasn't aware there was ever a plan |
| 04:35.41 | gnarface | someone needs to put e16 back into debian |
| 04:36.14 | gnarface | is still using the abandoned copy someone forked off years ago then pulled out |
| 04:36.42 | Dulak | ,version e16 |
| 04:36.44 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
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| 04:36.51 | Dulak | It's in squeeze |
| 04:37.01 | gnarface | yea... just barely |
| 04:37.52 | gnarface | i still maintain that 90% of the problem with e16's public perception is that only about 3-5 of the hundreds of available themes for it ever passed alpha status |
| 04:37.54 | Viking667 | ummm, regarding the HIB, I only see three of the apps, not Braid or the other game |
| 04:38.45 | Dulak | Yeah some is better than none, getting them into the software center is a pretty big step, and all the games have pledged to get into the software center in the near future. |
| 04:38.48 | gnarface | hmm just so we're clear here, HIB == humble indie bundle? |
| 04:38.55 | Viking667 | yup. |
| 04:39.01 | Dulak | Gaming is the only reason I still have a windows box. |
| 04:39.32 | gnarface | eh, i just go into #winehq and yell at kevlarman until he gets bored of me enough to tell me how to make wine work |
| 04:39.43 | gnarface | windows be damned |
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| 04:39.50 | gnarface | i've got a nintendo |
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| 04:40.23 | peterrooney | ,version e17 |
| 04:40.25 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- wheezy: 0.16.999.55225-1; sid: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
| 04:40.46 | gnarface | its been a good year since i've tried e17 |
| 04:41.00 | gnarface | but e16 was around longer before it stopped being a pain in the ass |
| 04:41.23 | gnarface | the state of e17 themes is far worse |
| 04:41.38 | gnarface | shit segfaulting xorg all over the place |
| 04:41.55 | gnarface | don't even bother on debian-ppc |
| 04:42.24 | Dulak | sounds like when enlightenment first came out. We'd load it up to show off the eye-candy to the windows dicks, but if you tried to do anything with it, crash and burn. |
| 04:42.34 | Viking667 | mrm. |
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| 04:42.58 | Viking667 | I used to loathe Metacity, because it wouldn't let me fullscreen an app, period. |
| 04:43.07 | Viking667 | now I just dislike it. |
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| 04:43.22 | gnarface | ah yes the glorious alt-enter |
| 04:43.25 | Viking667 | ... but I put up with it because it's what got supplied as default WM for gnome. |
| 04:43.39 | Joelito | hello, is there a way to have backported gtk+3.0 in squeeze? |
| 04:43.43 | Viking667 | I didn't care WHAT key I used, as long as I gained the ability. |
| 04:43.55 | gnarface | Joelito: probably. god help you though. |
| 04:43.56 | Viking667 | shrugs. Using wheezy, don't care |
| 04:44.03 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Joelito about backports |
| 04:44.14 | Viking667 | last time I used debian was back in potato days |
| 04:44.33 | gnarface | i really tried metacity but i failed to figure out how to even get it to start as the default WM without gnome |
| 04:44.48 | gnarface | probably user error (also a good year or two ago) |
| 04:45.45 | Viking667 | anyhow. I'm out of here fro the moment. |
| 04:45.56 | Viking667 | Seems that VNC conflicts with the use of synergy. Sigh. |
| 04:47.31 | gnarface | peace |
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| 04:52.37 | Viking667 | and synergy conflicts with edge-flipping. |
| 04:55.40 | ruli | synergy can be configured for use without edge fipping |
| 04:56.04 | Viking667 | so. multiple workspaces, with no edge-flipping. Synergy, with edge-flipping set to five seconds to change between hosts. |
| 04:56.06 | ruli | anyone know what's up with Linux 3.4 kernel in debian? |
| 04:56.50 | Viking667 | That way I have to manually change workspaces (Ctl-Alt-Left/right/up/down), but I get to change hosts with a simple mouse move-and-leave |
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| 04:57.34 | ruli | pretty much all major distributions have 3.4 packaged already but it's not even in sid |
| 04:58.08 | ruli | don't forget synergy can use shortcuts as well |
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| 04:59.52 | Viking667 | mmm, I wasn't aware of that, and I've got enough assigned shortcuts now |
| 05:00.33 | ruli | it also has some edge options, like timeouts. and shortcuts include <mod>+mouse button i think |
| 05:00.47 | Oak | if i have Squeeze 6.0.4 cd, and i don't want to download 6.0.5, but want my system updated, how do i do that? do i add deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main and do ap-tget update? |
| 05:01.25 | ruli | then setup with easystroke or something and switch back and forth between hosts with gestures |
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| 05:02.00 | kryptoz | Oak, `apt-get update` and then `apt-get safe-upgrade`. |
| 05:02.25 | Oak | ah i see. doing that will update everything in 6.0.4 that was updated in 6.0.5? |
| 05:02.57 | Oak | like, even the kernel? *if* that was updated in 6.0.5? |
| 05:03.16 | kryptoz | I believe it should |
| 05:03.22 | Oak | okay good. |
| 05:03.38 | Oak | thank you! |
| 05:03.49 | Oak | i'll go and install now... so later. |
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| 05:11.55 | BuisSse | Is VLAN support enabled in debian? |
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| 05:13.36 | BuisSse | I have a trunk port which is connected to my debian gateway...How would i untag the traffic to send the data on the internet? |
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| 05:14.07 | civillian | BuisSse: the kernel comes pre-compiled with 802.1Q support. you need to install the user tools. |
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| 05:16.00 | BuisSse | thanks |
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| 05:20.44 | Viking667 | I've never used "easystroke"... come to think of it, I've never used gestures. |
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| 05:22.48 | Viking667 | incidentally, there's absolutely nothing in the man pages or the config files about shortcuts or even edge-dwell timings. |
| 05:22.56 | reenignEesreveR | does debian officially support kernel 3.0 yet? |
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| 05:26.44 | BuisSse | not officially...but Ive installed v3.2 |
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| 05:35.39 | g4mbit | awww you're the best mommy |
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| 06:04.39 | daniel-s | cries |
| 06:04.46 | daniel-s | !localbin |
| 06:04.55 | daniel-s | !userbin |
| 06:05.07 | daniel-s | cries for real this time |
| 06:05.30 | daniel-s | !userlocal |
| 06:05.40 | daniel-s | !usrlocal |
| 06:05.41 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb> |
| 06:05.46 | daniel-s | :) |
| 06:06.12 | daniel-s | !opt |
| 06:06.18 | daniel-s | !/opt |
| 06:06.19 | dpkg | /opt is probably for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See <usrlocal>, <FHS> |
| 06:06.30 | daniel-s | !FHS |
| 06:06.31 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
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| 06:45.40 | Cogito | Hi everyone. I have two ISPs that provide fast debian mirrors, one at home and one at work. I would like to configure apt so that the 'correct' one is used whenever possible, that is when at work use the work mirror, when at home use the home mirror. Any ideas on how this can be achieved? |
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| 06:47.37 | jrgp | Cogito: you can have private instances of named running at owrk and at home, and have both have zones for your domain name for the mirrors and have A records pointing to the lcoal IP for the mirror |
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| 06:49.34 | xand | if they use http though that wouldn't work because the hostnames wouldn't match |
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| 06:49.58 | xand | would have a script that changes/replaces sources.list based on location :) |
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| 06:52.00 | blackshirt | xand: that's greats |
| 06:52.15 | blackshirt | xand: can you share with others ? |
| 06:52.36 | xand | I said would have... I haven't written one |
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| 07:11.06 | BuisSse | My Debian gateway is configured as a trunk port |
| 07:11.10 | BuisSse | with another switch |
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| 07:11.32 | BuisSse | I need to send all the traffic on the internet which hits the trunk port on the debian gateway |
| 07:11.40 | BuisSse | anyway i can untag the 802.1q traffic? |
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| 07:11.55 | destrudo | I must be crazy because I was looking at this terminal w/ my peripheral vision and it looked like you said some very mean things |
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| 07:15.42 | Cogito | I was thinking I would need to write a script that updated source.list |
| 07:16.13 | destrudo | some day I'll have enough time, or perhaps a job |
| 07:16.25 | destrudo | that allows me to be able to contribute |
| 07:16.34 | destrudo | *sniff* |
| 07:16.36 | Cogito | is there a way to say "don't use file x in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/"? |
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| 07:16.44 | destrudo | comment it out :P |
| 07:16.51 | DugiNos | [09:16] <destrudo> comment it out |
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| 07:17.02 | Cogito | I was thinking maybe moving it to a different folder |
| 07:17.07 | destrudo | or that |
| 07:17.10 | destrudo | or delete it |
| 07:17.21 | Cogito | I want to switch between two |
| 07:17.22 | destrudo | DD the file with 0's |
| 07:17.32 | destrudo | host it in var |
| 07:17.35 | destrudo | and symlink |
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| 07:17.43 | Cogito | so maybe store them in an 'available' folder and use links to activate it |
| 07:17.44 | destrudo | or host it in etc |
| 07:17.48 | destrudo | and change the symlink |
| 07:17.49 | Cogito | yeah |
| 07:18.05 | Cogito | similar to how apache does it |
| 07:18.10 | Cogito | apache? I think that is right |
| 07:18.14 | destrudo | well, how deb does apache. |
| 07:18.22 | destrudo | It's very different elsewhere :P |
| 07:18.25 | Cogito | yeah, that is what I meant :) |
| 07:18.40 | Cogito | how it is done for apache* |
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| 07:19.47 | Cogito | any quick pointers on how I can find out my current location? Should I be looking somewhere to see which network I have joined?? |
| 07:20.01 | destrudo | current location?? |
| 07:20.15 | Cogito | as in, when I am connected to work network vs home network |
| 07:20.35 | destrudo | subnet will probably be different |
| 07:20.37 | Cogito | I could run it manually, but the preference would be to automate |
| 07:20.57 | Cogito | hmm, subnet is different I think, but that seems to arbitrary |
| 07:21.05 | Cogito | too* |
| 07:21.13 | destrudo | network manager allows for lots of interesting scripting based on what happens when X value is true |
| 07:21.29 | Cogito | ohh cool |
| 07:21.33 | Cogito | I will look into that |
| 07:21.46 | destrudo | I actually think that's why people use it at all |
| 07:22.13 | Cogito | it does a decent job of managing my VPNs |
| 07:22.18 | destrudo | personally, causes too many problems unless you're running a whole lot of things to make sure it doesn't kick off |
| 07:22.25 | destrudo | I can't STAND it for handling vpns |
| 07:22.31 | destrudo | well, pptp is fine |
| 07:22.36 | Cogito | sometimes has issues connecting to a tethered phone |
| 07:22.38 | destrudo | because pptp is a poc anyways |
| 07:22.43 | Cogito | as in it takes ages to discover it |
| 07:22.44 | destrudo | but openvpn... blegh |
| 07:23.14 | Oak | kryptoz, i have installed Debian. can you guide how can i install firefox? i understnad it's not included in Debian's repositories for some reason |
| 07:23.28 | Cogito | the only issue I have had with VPNs is when using the version of vpnc bundled with it, DNS entries aren't added correctly |
| 07:23.31 | Cogito | or something |
| 07:23.36 | Cogito | I haven't troubleshooted enough |
| 07:23.45 | destrudo | Oak: iceweasel |
| 07:23.48 | destrudo | it is included |
| 07:23.55 | destrudo | aptitude install iceweasel |
| 07:23.58 | destrudo | ta-daaaaaaaaaah. |
| 07:24.00 | destrudo | Now |
| 07:24.06 | Oak | i'd prefer firefox |
| 07:24.15 | destrudo | It's the same thing. |
| 07:24.31 | Oak | then why do the both exist with different names? |
| 07:24.34 | Oak | never mind that |
| 07:24.37 | destrudo | if you really need firefox-labeled packages |
| 07:24.43 | Cogito | Oak: if you want the firefox branded firefox (the only difference is logos etc) you need to go to non-free |
| 07:24.50 | destrudo | have fun using ubuntu repos |
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| 07:24.53 | destrudo | or non-free |
| 07:25.03 | destrudo | Actually, does non-free have it? |
| 07:25.10 | Oak | what line do i have to add in source.list? |
| 07:25.20 | destrudo | format c:\ |
| 07:25.21 | destrudo | lol |
| 07:25.23 | destrudo | uh |
| 07:25.26 | destrudo | after main |
| 07:25.32 | destrudo | " non-free" |
| 07:25.36 | destrudo | on all of them |
| 07:25.43 | destrudo | doop doop doop |
| 07:25.46 | destrudo | boo boo boo |
| 07:25.53 | destrudo | I don't think all of them need it |
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| 07:26.02 | destrudo | it's just it doesn't really matter |
| 07:26.28 | Oak | this is my current sources.list, please have a look: http://pastie.org/4006485 |
| 07:26.54 | balancer| | update u ve done? |
| 07:26.59 | destrudo | am I really not being that clear? |
| 07:27.09 | destrudo | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 07:27.12 | destrudo | into |
| 07:27.15 | destrudo | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main non-free |
| 07:27.26 | balancer| | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main there is missing the non-free |
| 07:27.36 | Oak | okay got it |
| 07:27.56 | Oak | what does contrib mean by the way? |
| 07:28.44 | destrudo | user contributed packages |
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| 07:29.08 | destrudo | can you tell me something? |
| 07:29.17 | destrudo | What's the square root of 413? |
| 07:29.33 | balancer| | why u have every entry twice? once for http and once for ftp? |
| 07:29.38 | Viking667 | 13 point something |
| 07:30.22 | Oak | let me fix that... thank you balancer|, i just copied from different forums |
| 07:30.27 | destrudo | can u be more precise |
| 07:30.31 | Viking667 | ugh. I was wrong. |
| 07:30.32 | Dulak | 20.3224 actually |
| 07:30.37 | destrudo | oh |
| 07:30.37 | destrudo | ty |
| 07:30.38 | Viking667 | yeah, to four decimal places |
| 07:30.41 | destrudo | Heyt |
| 07:30.44 | destrudo | I have another question |
| 07:30.52 | Cogito | I was thinking, 13???? |
| 07:30.52 | Viking667 | no I'm not doing your homework |
| 07:30.53 | Cogito | haha |
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| 07:30.54 | destrudo | what's the square root of 414? |
| 07:31.07 | Viking667 | destrudo: do you have a calculator? |
| 07:31.23 | destrudo | apparently my joke is not reaching you |
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| 07:31.45 | destrudo | this channel has killed you |
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| 07:32.00 | Viking667 | huh? You were having a joke? |
| 07:32.01 | DugiNos | i aint getting it neither :( someone stole my sense of humor :( |
| 07:32.14 | Viking667 | I've GOT a sense of humour... you have to, to live with me. |
| 07:32.16 | Oak | one more question on this: there are 'squeeze/updates' and 'squeeze-updates' are they both correct syntax wise? |
| 07:32.21 | balancer| | destrudo take a calc |
| 07:32.37 | Viking667 | balancer|: he was yanking our chains, I think. |
| 07:32.37 | destrudo | It's a matter of asking questions that could be easily found |
| 07:32.42 | Viking667 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.49 | destrudo | in moments, moments... |
| 07:33.01 | Viking667 | looks blankly |
| 07:33.10 | destrudo | But instead, asking |
| 07:33.27 | Viking667 | here I am, I'm sitting in front of two computers, three screens, one keyboard and mouse, and making them all sing. |
| 07:33.34 | destrudo | Cool |
| 07:33.39 | Viking667 | and you're asking about square roots. |
| 07:33.42 | GeneralStupid | Hi, did anyone know how i have to configure the snd_intel_hda module if i have a conexant cx20561 ? |
| 07:33.45 | destrudo | yep |
| 07:33.48 | Cogito | he was saying, it seems, RTM - or google it |
| 07:33.51 | destrudo | yeah |
| 07:33.53 | Dulak | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 07:33.54 | destrudo | google it |
| 07:33.58 | destrudo | 15 seconds |
| 07:34.05 | Dulak | that's the correct current syntax |
| 07:34.08 | destrudo | every answer you ever wanted to know |
| 07:34.18 | destrudo | I also just insuffilated a moth |
| 07:34.22 | jelly-home | destrudo: don't be a douche, keep to technical issues instead of berating people for not googling |
| 07:34.49 | Viking667 | weird. I don't have a snd_intel_hda |
| 07:34.54 | Oak | thank you Dulak ! |
| 07:35.00 | Viking667 | oh. |
| 07:35.04 | destrudo | There was a reason for the subtle nature; but then I had to elaborate. |
| 07:35.05 | Viking667 | snd_hda_intel |
| 07:35.17 | GeneralStupid | Viking667: but the codec is different mostly |
| 07:35.28 | Cogito | The other thing I need to get working is my dual graphics cards - Intel HD3000 and Nvidia something |
| 07:35.42 | destrudo | I'm just burned out after perpetual classes, perpetual work. |
| 07:35.52 | Cogito | I don't have hardware acceleration without the Nvidia, but it's a pain to set up |
| 07:36.07 | destrudo | Oh god, it's not the laptop one Cogito? |
| 07:36.10 | Cogito | yeah |
| 07:36.14 | Viking667 | ugh. |
| 07:36.15 | destrudo | where it can actively switch? |
| 07:36.26 | Cogito | yeah |
| 07:36.36 | Cogito | I have no idea how to do that |
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| 07:36.42 | destrudo | I saw something on /. about |
| 07:36.47 | destrudo | 3 weeks ago, regarding it |
| 07:36.50 | destrudo | I'll seek |
| 07:36.54 | Viking667 | sigh. I'm glad I have an ATI in my computer, cos the NVidia is a couple of generations older. |
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| 07:39.44 | destrudo | http://hothardware.com/Articles/NVIDIA-Optimus-Mobile-Technology-Preview/ |
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| 07:39.59 | destrudo | er |
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| 07:40.02 | destrudo | wrong one |
| 07:40.05 | ratatata | nu |
| 07:41.05 | destrudo | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQxNg |
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| 07:41.43 | destrudo | good luck |
| 07:41.57 | Cogito | looks fun! |
| 07:41.59 | Cogito | haha |
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| 07:42.01 | destrudo | that's the kind of thing I'd write if I had hardware that supported it |
| 07:42.04 | Cogito | thanks for the link |
| 07:42.15 | destrudo | er |
| 07:42.22 | destrudo | continue working on |
| 07:42.31 | destrudo | I'm a picky mofo |
| 07:42.47 | destrudo | if my hardware supports it, I should have it |
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| 07:45.27 | Cogito | Yeah, the only thing Ihave done so far is be able to switch between either one, but it requires a restart of xserver, and can't really run both |
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| 07:46.04 | Cogito | I was able to have multiple screens active, each using different GPU, but only one of them was able to have any applications on it |
| 07:46.07 | Cogito | for some odd reason |
| 07:46.54 | Cogito | but I didn't sink too much more time into it since then |
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| 08:18.08 | altin_ | anyone knows a good documentation for connecting to cisco vpn server ? |
| 08:18.19 | altin_ | with debian squeeze |
| 08:18.38 | altin_ | I think I have to use vpnc |
| 08:18.52 | altin_ | but I cant seem to find a good conf file example |
| 08:18.57 | altin_ | that can guide me... |
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| 08:23.04 | grepper | ok nvidia working fine. Still no sensors though with 3.2 kernel |
| 08:23.54 | grepper | also, was a bit confused that 'reboot' didn't actually get my back to the grub prompt, just tried to reload the new kernel and nvidia failed at that point |
| 08:24.15 | grepper | anyway, very late, have to check it later |
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| 08:24.36 | Cogito | altin_: vpnc is the best bet, what are your issues? |
| 08:25.02 | Cogito | a decent option is to use network manager and import the pcf |
| 08:25.13 | Cogito | that will generate a config file for you |
| 08:25.59 | altin_ | Cogito, I just have a paper here giving me some parameters to connect to the server |
| 08:26.10 | altin_ | and it doesnt write anything |
| 08:26.17 | Cogito | ok |
| 08:26.20 | altin_ | I had to find myself that it uses cisco technology |
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| 08:26.40 | Cogito | so you need to know what to configure with vpnc? |
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| 08:26.57 | altin_ | and btw I dont have networ-manager |
| 08:26.58 | altin_ | and no gui either |
| 08:27.02 | Cogito | check man vpnc |
| 08:27.12 | Cogito | most of it is straightforward |
| 08:27.13 | mmc | how can I see the last changelog entry of a .... installed package ? |
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| 08:27.21 | __gilles | hi |
| 08:27.26 | Cogito | anything which doesn't make sense I can help with :) |
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| 08:27.54 | altin_ | yes Cogito |
| 08:27.54 | altin_ | because I have no clue on the cisco thing |
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| 08:28.19 | Cogito | what cisco thing? |
| 08:28.31 | Cogito | you just need to do $ vpnc |
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| 08:28.40 | Cogito | it will prompt you for everything it needs |
| 08:28.50 | altin_ | I think I need racoon ipsec daemon which shows up as not installed for some reason |
| 08:28.52 | altin_ | Cogito, is there any way I can work on a conf file |
| 08:28.54 | Cogito | or youcan set up a config file with the values it prompts for |
| 08:29.06 | Cogito | sure there is |
| 08:29.07 | altin_ | yes I was looking for that option |
| 08:29.14 | Cogito | so just create a file |
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| 08:29.36 | Cogito | to use the config file use $ vpnc file |
| 08:29.47 | Cogito | anything which you don't provide in the file will be prompted for |
| 08:29.57 | Cogito | look at man vpnc for a list of config option |
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| 08:30.48 | altin_ | aha ok Ill take a look at that then |
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| 08:31.49 | Cogito | I can't remember, what is the way to refresh my group memberships? do I have to log out, or is there another way?? |
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| 08:35.51 | babilen | Cogito: A relogin is the easiest way -- You can also play with newgrp, but make sure that you switch back to the original primary group. |
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| 08:36.36 | tpnsvo | Hi guys. I have a question concerning upgrade of wheezy. It seems that there is some problem with libupnp3 and libupnp6. Aptitude propose me uninstaling all KDE. What if I manually remove libupnp3 and install libupnp6? Could it work? |
| 08:38.06 | babilen | tpnsvo: Try it and see. You might also have to wait -- IIRC the KDE removal is proposed due to a dependency problem with mysql -> ??? -> akonadi -> rest of kde |
| 08:38.33 | babilen | tpnsvo: Please also note that testing/unstable is specifically support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:39.21 | Cogito | babilen: i will probablt just relog then |
| 08:39.31 | Cogito | couldn't be bothered dealing with issues :) |
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| 08:40.13 | tpnsvo | babilen: Okay then. So you say the worst could happen is KDE not working? Okay, thnx for the other chanel. |
| 08:41.14 | nsadmin | tpnsvo, one thing you could do is let it remove kde, and then install it again |
| 08:41.26 | babilen | tpnsvo: I would say that it is quite likely that KDE doesn't work if you remove it. All that being said: We can't really help without seeing the actual output and other information about your system. See "/msg dpkg bat" for a list |
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| 08:53.47 | Cogito | thanks for the help all, see you round :) |
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| 09:21.48 | ekur | Hey; anyone know of a distro with lowlatency and jack pre-installed ? |
| 09:21.54 | ekur | (except ubuntustudio) |
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| 09:22.17 | nevyn | ekur: debian has -rt kernels and jack |
| 09:22.40 | ekur | aye but im having trouble setting up jack |
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| 09:26.42 | nsadmin | ekur, I installed jack1 and it came right up when started by qjackctl (which is a qt app) |
| 09:27.11 | nsadmin | ekur, hence ardour and other stuff came up fine |
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| 09:27.43 | nsadmin | I'm not presently doing rt |
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| 09:31.38 | ekur | ok sounds good |
| 09:31.56 | ekur | do you project any trouble switching to -rt kernel? |
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| 09:32.38 | ekur | and which -rt version is most adviseable? i want soft realtime for audio production |
| 09:32.41 | nsadmin | well anecdotally, rt kernels tend to crash much more often |
| 09:32.57 | ekur | yes that's a gripe for me |
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| 09:33.14 | nsadmin | but instead of looking into it, I gave up and stopped dealing with rt |
| 09:33.16 | ekur | im wondering if theres a latency monitor so i can see how much ms of latency i'm experiencing now |
| 09:33.31 | ekur | if its only 10ms or so - the gain isnt worth the amount of crashes |
| 09:33.40 | ekur | at 100-200ms that starts to change obviously |
| 09:34.07 | ekur | is there a way to tell how much latency the system is under now? |
| 09:34.13 | nsadmin | consequently, I don't know much if at all about them... in the past, I've built rt kernels, and got jack to turn on its rt |
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| 09:35.00 | ekur | do you currently use jack and ardour on a non-realtime kernel? |
| 09:35.18 | nsadmin | here's the thing... (may make me less useful to you) you have wayyyy more needs around audio, whereas I'm mostly making midi sequences to mess around over |
| 09:35.25 | nsadmin | yes I do |
| 09:35.45 | nsadmin | on this laptop which is an amd64x3 w/ 4g ram |
| 09:36.02 | ekur | similar setup: amd6x4 8gb desktop |
| 09:36.22 | ekur | but i will be inputting 'live instruments' through line in |
| 09:36.30 | ekur | and playing along in realtime with generated beats |
| 09:36.34 | nsadmin | have you considered RME? |
| 09:36.45 | ekur | no; havent heard of it :) |
| 09:36.49 | nsadmin | so, you do dj stuff? |
| 09:36.59 | ekur | i'm downloading and considering ubuntu studio |
| 09:37.08 | ekur | sortof |
| 09:37.08 | nsadmin | RME has very high quality computer interfaces |
| 09:37.28 | ekur | RME is hardware? |
| 09:37.35 | nsadmin | the guy that's writing the driver, his name is faberman |
| 09:37.37 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:37.47 | _Christophe_ | Does someone here use Ultra VNC Simple Click? |
| 09:37.55 | nsadmin | RME has something called hdsp |
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| 09:38.56 | nsadmin | faberman's driver is unusual as it's jack-only and consequently he wrote his own mixer |
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| 09:43.35 | nsadmin | ekur, so earlier you said "except ubuntu studio", and that's because you're already looking into it? |
| 09:43.54 | ekur | yes :) and i would prefer a debian base |
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| 09:44.50 | nsadmin | of course you're already doing the best approach to things, which is to try things to see how they work |
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| 09:45.56 | ekur | :) |
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| 09:47.11 | nsadmin | if the rt stuff is inside the kernel source tree, presumably they're better tested than they would be if it's still in the form of patches you'd apply to the kernel source of a specific version as indicated by the patch and what version it patches to cleanly |
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| 09:49.50 | ekur | so build own kernel |
| 09:50.24 | ekur | then again i do want to use apt- to get my kernel modules |
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| 09:52.29 | nsadmin | ekur, not necessarily do you have to build your own... debian was said earlier in this conversation to have prebuilt rt kernels |
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| 09:53.58 | nsadmin | but you certainly can, and there is kernel-package which has kernel build scripts which does the normal build then packages the result |
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| 10:03.44 | alex____ | Hi runnina cmmand that seems to be incorrect adduser -M -d /etc/mixmaster -s /bin/bash mix |
| 10:04.12 | alex____ | Unknown option: m |
| 10:04.13 | alex____ | Option d is ambiguous (debug, disabled-login, disabled-password) |
| 10:04.15 | alex____ | Option s is ambiguous (shell, system) |
| 10:05.06 | nkuttler | !tell alex____ about paste |
| 10:05.33 | kryptoz | alex____, see `man adduser` |
| 10:05.50 | kryptoz | alex____, its --home and --shell |
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| 10:07.55 | Aprendiz | hi all |
| 10:08.09 | Aprendiz | I have problems with perl next upgrade to debian squeeze |
| 10:08.27 | Aprendiz | Can't locate Registry.pm |
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| 10:08.29 | alex____ | kryptoz: my fault should use a pastebin |
| 10:08.34 | Aprendiz | but I did no changes |
| 10:08.39 | Aprendiz | any idea? |
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| 10:09.35 | nkuttler | !tell Aprendiz about errors |
| 10:10.05 | happyguy | I need a maillist supplier |
| 10:10.34 | nkuttler | happyguy: do you mean you want to host mailing lists? |
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| 10:10.58 | alex____ | kryptoz ok yes i look at man adduser its --home instead of -M and --shell instread of -s what about -d? |
| 10:11.24 | happyguy | I mean a db |
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| 10:11.34 | Aprendiz | nkuttler: the error is in apache log: http://pastebin.com/UX0LPXEU |
| 10:13.02 | nkuttler | happyguy: please keep it in the channel |
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| 10:13.49 | nkuttler | Aprendiz: there's one in ocsinventory-server .. are you using that? |
| 10:14.05 | happyguy | i need email address supplier |
| 10:14.22 | happyguy | Or SMTP supplier |
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| 10:14.55 | nkuttler | happyguy: you want to buy email addresses? |
| 10:15.01 | ekur | ok thanks nsadmin |
| 10:15.03 | happyguy | Yes |
| 10:15.10 | ekur | ill try that; getting rt kernel from debian repo |
| 10:15.19 | nkuttler | happyguy: this is a debian support channel, not spamming 101 |
| 10:15.24 | Aprendiz | nkuttler: I don't know, I have upgraded the package with the new one in squeeze and appear the error suddenly |
| 10:15.36 | stew | happyguy: this is the wrong irc network for such a thing. I don't know where te right one would be if one exists. this channel is for end user support of debian only |
| 10:15.48 | nkuttler | Aprendiz: the package? |
| 10:16.07 | happyguy | Oh, am so sorry |
| 10:16.24 | Aprendiz | nkuttler: ocsinventory packages, and when I try to restart apache appear that error in the log |
| 10:16.31 | happyguy | But do you have any idea on how to get a good sender? |
| 10:16.48 | nkuttler | happyguy: sender? |
| 10:16.52 | stew | happyguy: you must stay on topic on this channel |
| 10:17.07 | nkuttler | Aprendiz: well check the Registry.pm of that package is installed and in your include path |
| 10:17.36 | nkuttler | happyguy: do *not* msg me |
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| 10:18.43 | alex____ | is this line correct please if not please let me know adduser --home -d /etc/mixmaster --shell /bin/bash mix |
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| 10:19.14 | nkuttler | Aprendiz: btw, if you don't use this ocsinventory thing you probably have some old config file around |
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| 10:20.28 | Aprendiz | nkuttler: I am using the new .conf file |
| 10:21.14 | mjt | is there a way to automatically configure all network interfaces (ifplugd?) without resorting to networkmanager? |
| 10:21.50 | mjt | ifplugd is nice, but it uses ifup/ifdown which means the interface must be listed in /etc/network/interfaces, but what about dynamically plugged ifaces? |
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| 10:22.20 | mjt | (i've an usb to ethernet adaptor for example) |
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| 10:22.47 | alex____ | now i get what is a absolute path adduser: The home dir must be an absolute path. |
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| 10:26.03 | kryptoz | alex____, what are you trying to achieve with the |
| 10:26.08 | Aprendiz | nkuttler: I have found the problem but I don't know how to solve it. The righ path is Apache::Ocsinventory::Server::Capacities::Registry and appear fine in .conf but in the error appear the path Apache/Ocsinventory/Server/Option/Registry.pm |
| 10:26.13 | kryptoz | ..-d option ? |
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| 10:27.02 | alex____ | kryptoz: ok here are the three lines what please should the adduser line be-thanks http://pastebin.com/r5sybvdU |
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| 10:28.20 | cuit | Hi, this is probably a common question but can I change my box from stable to testing just by changing the apt repos in /etc/apt/sources.list from squeeze to wheezey or testing? |
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| 10:28.41 | kryptoz | alex____, adduser --home <home directory> --shell <default shell> <new user> will work. What are you trying to achieve with "-d", "-M" and "-s" option ? |
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| 10:29.53 | kryptoz | alex____, I think its worth spending 5-10 minutes trying to understand `man adduser`. You do not need to create the home directory, adduser will do it for you. You do not need to change ownership, adduser will do it for you. |
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| 10:31.45 | alex____ | kryptoz: mixmaster requires a user other than root to run. The commands create the user mix and its associated home directory, /etc/mixmaster. |
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| 10:33.38 | nkuttler | alex____: start with /usr/share/doc/mixmaster/ |
| 10:33.51 | nkuttler | alex____: and if a package needs a user and don't create it that sounds like a bug you should report |
| 10:36.15 | Iridos | dpkg, tell cuit -about testing |
| 10:36.25 | Iridos | dpkg, tell cuit about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 10:40.08 | cuit | Is it possible to do things like install packages like KDE Plasma and Iceweasel and similar from testing with the OS-files staying in stable? (I know of backports) |
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| 10:42.23 | Iridos | it's possible but problematic... don't do it, you can backport packages yourself if they're not at backports for instructions /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:42.44 | cuit | backport packages update like normal when I apt-get upgrade right? |
| 10:43.25 | cuit | they do :P (just did it) |
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| 10:43.31 | Iridos | well, everything upgrades the way you configure it :) |
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| 10:45.50 | apjaevel | im trying to connect from the command line without using dhcp, but cant get it to work. any feedback and/or pointers much appreciated. "nameserver 192.168.2.1" is in /etc/resolv.conf and I issue commands: ifconfig wlan0 192.168.2.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 up | route add default gateway 192.168.2.1 |
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| 10:46.02 | Iridos | runtime libraries aren't as backward/forward compatible as they should... so if you just install a single program/package from testing, all that can happen is that that one crashes... but the program needs a newer library also from testing, you suddenly have a whole bunch of programs from stable using the new library... |
| 10:46.19 | Iridos | and then you have what we technically call "a mess" |
| 10:46.48 | cuit | So a package installed from testing won't pull down it's dependencies from testing? Or it does but that's messy? :P |
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| 10:46.57 | apjaevel | can't even ping the gateway. obviously missing out on something important. |
| 10:47.17 | Iridos | it does and then you suddenly have programs from stable using libraries from testing |
| 10:47.27 | Iridos | apjaevel, is that a pipe between the two commands? |
| 10:47.39 | Iridos | if yes, why? |
| 10:47.50 | apjaevel | Iridos: wrote it like that now, yes. when I issue them it's two separate commands. |
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| 10:48.05 | cuit | Am I evil for using backports.debian.org (like using just ftp.debian.org instead of a local mirror)? |
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| 10:50.11 | Iridos | apjaevel, generally you shouldn't really configure network like that but edit /etc/network/interfaces and a) say when it should come up automatically or b) run ifup wlan0 .... that said, looks fine for me what you have... any errors/what's working what's not |
| 10:51.16 | Iridos | apjaevel, try pinging the router IP first, then ping e.g. 8.8.8.8 |
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| 10:53.15 | apjaevel | Iridos: ok, maybe I'm trying to overwork it a little. ifup wlan0 works fine with dhcp, but thought I just figure out how to set it manually as well. no errors after issuing the commands. I'll keep reading and trying. have to disconnect first. thanks, and have a good day. |
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| 11:02.08 | Iridos | well, that was quick |
| 11:02.09 | Iridos | !next |
| 11:02.10 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 11:06.18 | nsadmin | , v git-core |
| 11:06.19 | judd | Package: git-core on i386 -- lenny-volatile: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.1+b1~volatile1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.3; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.9-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.7.9.1-1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.7.10-1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10-1 |
| 11:07.20 | nsadmin | so there are two gits in squeeze-backports... how would I choose whic one? |
| 11:08.10 | nsadmin | I'll try the latest, seems reasonable |
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| 11:12.49 | Iridos | huh? you cannot have two different versions of the same package in one repo |
| 11:13.06 | Iridos | only via different package names |
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| 11:13.35 | nsadmin | Iridos, see above... it's there |
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| 11:14.10 | Iridos | yes and I'd say that's some problem judd has |
| 11:15.03 | Iridos | git-core | 1:1.7.10-1 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main i386 Packages git-core | 1:1.7.10-1 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages git-core | 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1 | http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports/main i386 Packages git-core | 1:1.7.2.5-3 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main i386 Packages |
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| 11:18.57 | nsadmin | yeah,it's definitely getting the later of the two |
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| 11:21.15 | nsadmin | hmm, aptitude likes to pause for some fraction of a minute |
| 11:22.33 | nsadmin | after fetching stuff (both update and install) |
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| 11:24.35 | phaidros | anyone has troubles with perl&ssl after latest ssl upgrade in wheezy ? |
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| 11:24.53 | phaidros | things like this: http://codepad.org/ugrfvsS6 |
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| 11:28.24 | nsadmin | phaidros "any troubles with X" is on bts |
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| 11:28.54 | phaidros | nsadmin: http://codepad.org/ugrfvsS6 (no clue what bts is, tho ... ) |
| 11:29.20 | nsadmin | ok, check out /msg dpkg bts |
| 11:29.23 | tziOm | I have no sound on debian, snd-hda-intel and a nVidia Corporation GF104 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) (only driver loaded for intel card, dont know how to get driver loaded for GF104) |
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| 11:31.18 | nsadmin | tziOm, I think you could benefit from /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 11:31.24 | nsadmin | if you want alsa that is |
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| 11:32.13 | tziOm | yeha |
| 11:32.37 | Iridos | so you have two audio cards? |
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| 11:32.46 | Iridos | and you think one of them hasn't got its driver loaded |
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| 11:33.24 | VanDerSp3r | Greetings. How do I copy all lines of a file via either nano or vi? |
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| 11:33.32 | nsadmin | so check it out, stick around, tell us what you learn as new info if you want more help |
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| 11:33.48 | Oak | I have installed Firefox on Debian squeeze using LinuxMint's repository... but it's in French (I think). How do I make it's menus / language English? |
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| 11:34.19 | Oak | jelly-home around? |
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| 11:34.22 | Iridos | VanDerSp3r, copy where? |
| 11:34.54 | allorder_ | Oak: why not http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
| 11:35.04 | tziOm | nsadmin, I have tried most, also this |
| 11:35.12 | Oak | it jsut gives option to isntall iceweasel ... |
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| 11:35.36 | Iridos | Oak, you're aware that iceweasel is fireforx in anything but the name? |
| 11:36.01 | nsadmin | tziOm, how many cards does /proc/asound/cards show you have? |
| 11:36.06 | nsadmin | if any |
| 11:36.09 | VanDerSp3r | To a clipboard. I need to copy all the stuff to another file, without doing a regular copy, as I wanna edit it in bash |
| 11:36.33 | Oak | then why my old plugins did not work with iceweasel when it picked the plugins from the home directory? FireFTP and Firebug versions were incompatible.. |
| 11:36.33 | VanDerSp3r | So a copy+paste is what I want |
| 11:36.36 | tziOm | nsadmin, one |
| 11:36.47 | tziOm | nsadmin, HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH |
| 11:36.52 | Oak | i was using Firefox 12 on slackware |
| 11:36.59 | Oak | just switched to Debian today |
| 11:37.05 | Iridos | also, if you install stuff from the mint repository, questions about it aren't on-topic here.... well, we might yell at you a bit if you like |
| 11:37.17 | Oak | yell, but help also |
| 11:37.21 | Oak | :) |
| 11:37.30 | allorder | Oak: http://mozilla.debian.net/ is version 12 |
| 11:37.42 | Oak | the 'aurora' one? |
| 11:37.46 | allorder | release |
| 11:37.47 | VanDerSp3r | Slackware. Wouldn't that be one of the distributions where you have to basically install every package yourself? |
| 11:37.54 | Oak | yes |
| 11:37.57 | nsadmin | tziOm, ok, so take a look at what you get when you run alsamixer |
| 11:38.00 | Oak | and every dependency as well |
| 11:38.06 | Iridos | "Linux Mint Debian Edition" != Debian |
| 11:38.11 | Oak | *sigh* |
| 11:38.36 | amphi | !comfort Oak |
| 11:38.37 | dpkg | There, there, Oak. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:38.51 | tziOm | nsadmin, I get just master, pcm and mic |
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| 11:39.06 | Oak | thank you! well okay, i'll remove firefox and try http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 11:39.14 | Oak | bbiab |
| 11:39.15 | Iridos | ha... that sounds just like rpm last time I tried it |
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| 11:40.37 | VanDerSp3r | Seems like yG does it |
| 11:40.41 | tziOm | nsadmin, I think maby the nvidia card should also use the hda-intel driver, but I can not get it to load.. |
| 11:40.55 | ksk | #0x10c-dev,#0x10cforu |
| 11:40.57 | ksk | sry.. |
| 11:41.19 | tawtaw | hi, i have a couple of servers that are hooked up to a disk array, and it works fine most of the time, unless im running backups and for example running mkfs at the same time. then i get HUGE spikes and slowdowns... i was wondering why this is and how i can create a workaround |
| 11:41.57 | nsadmin | tziOm, first off, what happened when you tried alsamixer? |
| 11:42.18 | nsadmin | oh, I see |
| 11:42.30 | nsadmin | familiar with alsamiser? |
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| 11:42.34 | nsadmin | x |
| 11:42.57 | ChrisH | tawtaw: All servers attaches to the SAME Disk Array? Slowdowns seen on all servers if mkfs runs on ONE server only? |
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| 11:44.03 | tziOm | nsadmin, it works just fine, just no sounmd |
| 11:44.27 | tziOm | everything seem to work just fine |
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| 11:44.58 | nsadmin | ok, do you see MM at the bottom anywhere? |
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| 11:47.51 | Oak | i got this after adding http://mozilla.debian.net's lines in sources.list: W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 11:48.25 | tziOm | no-no, I am not stupid |
| 11:48.26 | Oak | never mind |
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| 11:49.12 | nsadmin | Oak, you can install the key or ignore the warning (at least for the moment) |
| 11:49.28 | Oak | okay good. thanks! |
| 11:49.38 | tawtaw | ChrisH: exactly |
| 11:49.49 | tawtaw | ChrisH: same disk array , but different luns |
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| 11:50.10 | tawtaw | ChrisH: slowdowns are like 2000 - 4000 % o_O |
| 11:50.18 | nsadmin | Oak, also the key is in a package, you can look into it when you want to |
| 11:50.25 | Flexman | hi |
| 11:50.46 | Flexman | one question: i used a debian usb boot stick to copy files from a broken hard disk with ntfs |
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| 11:51.19 | Oak | :) hmm cool. now i'll google to stop that annoying beep sound coming from laptop when my nick is mentioned in irc... |
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| 11:51.42 | ksuhku | Oak, I just wanted to beep you |
| 11:51.44 | nsadmin | that does sound anoying |
| 11:51.45 | Flexman | this takes a long time since cp is trying for ages on any corrupted file. is there any copy command that will just skip broken files after a short try to save time? |
| 11:51.58 | Oak | oho. funny. |
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| 11:52.36 | tawtaw | ChrisH: any idea? |
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| 11:53.15 | tawtaw | ChrisH: sdc1 0.00 14.00 14.00 209.00 208.00 7438.00 34.29 225.39 2157.29 4.48 100.00 , the await goes from 0.7 to 4000+ at times |
| 11:53.29 | tawtaw | 7000 even : / |
| 11:53.32 | Oak | hm. chromium crashed. |
| 11:53.45 | tawtaw | ChrisH: same can happen when backups run |
| 11:53.54 | Iridos | oooh, Oak doesn't like the beep! |
| 11:54.05 | Iridos | what client is it anyway |
| 11:54.13 | Flexman | is there any copy command that doesn't mess around too long with corrupted files?? |
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| 11:54.25 | meyerm | Hi, how can I pin the kernel(-threads) to certain cores? I know how to do that with my applications, I am really asking about the operating system. |
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| 11:54.47 | Iridos | Flexman, should be all the same... the kernel does the reading-from-disk bit anyway |
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| 11:55.16 | Oak | did rmmod pcspkr |
| 11:55.34 | Oak | now try Iridos |
| 11:55.41 | Flexman | Iridos: ok so no chance to quickly skip broken files |
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| 11:55.56 | ksuhku | Oak, I just wanted to beep you |
| 11:56.05 | Oak | cool. no beep. |
| 11:56.40 | Iridos | nah, now I don't wanna :P |
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| 11:58.03 | Iridos | Flexman, I don't think "broken files" are the problem... usually reading from disk stalls because of disk errors... doesn't matter if the data is in a file or if you read the raw device or anything. Look in the output of "dmesg" for error messages |
| 11:58.19 | znull | hello any others mirros i could use? http://paste.debian.net/172348/ I don't understand german but i seems connection refused |
| 11:58.42 | nkuttler | !tell znull about localized errors |
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| 11:59.07 | nsadmin | znull, there's a mirror list somewhere off of www.debian.org |
| 11:59.26 | nkuttler | znull: btw.. the server works for me |
| 11:59.41 | znull | nkuttle : wierd, Unable to connect to ftp.de.debian.org:http: hmm |
| 11:59.44 | Iridos | znull, you can just export LANG=C and hopefully get english messages... and the problem isn't the mirror, it's that there is no "squeeze/main" |
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| 12:00.09 | Iridos | there's squeeze, squeeze/updates (on security.debian.org) and there's squeeze-updates |
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| 12:00.30 | tziOm | is there any new alsa packages for debian in some repo? |
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| 12:00.48 | znull | tziOm : http://paste.debian.net/172349/ |
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| 12:01.36 | tziOm | znull, ? |
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| 12:01.51 | znull | tziOm : ups sorry wrong autocomplete |
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| 12:02.00 | znull | Iridos : http://paste.debian.net/172349/ |
| 12:02.03 | nsadmin | you don't need line 1 |
| 12:02.15 | Iridos | znull, you edited that now? |
| 12:02.30 | znull | Iridos: yes, and tried apt-et update |
| 12:02.36 | Iridos | nsadmin, that's line 2 in the pastebin :) |
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| 12:03.26 | znull | nsadmin : i've deleted line2, same |
| 12:03.49 | Flexman | Iridos: ok thank you |
| 12:03.54 | FreeHero | Your country need you http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/FreeHero |
| 12:04.08 | Iridos | znull, line 2 and 3 of the pastebin now say the same, only line three also has contrib and non-free ......ok you already delted that |
| 12:04.22 | Iridos | znull, what do you mean "same" |
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| 12:05.02 | znull | Iridos : http://paste.debian.net/172350/ |
| 12:05.06 | x4rlos | FreeHero: looks good. |
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| 12:05.57 | Iridos | ooh, right... unable to connect means it never gets to fetch anything, so the other error I saw doesn'T matter |
| 12:06.31 | Iridos | but I have no problem accessing http://ftp.de.debian.org/ even in a browser |
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| 12:07.10 | nsadmin | x4rlos, it;s off topic like all other spam ads |
| 12:07.37 | znull | Iridos : i tried wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/ Connecting to ftp.de.debian.org|141.76.2.4|:80... failed: Connection refused. thats weird |
| 12:08.23 | Iridos | znull, security.debian.org has no mirrors, you ust use deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:09.00 | znull | Iridos : Connecting to ftp.debian.org|2001:610:1908:b000::148:12|:80... failed: Network is unreachable not even ftp.debian.org |
| 12:09.29 | nsadmin | znull, maybe you should traceroute ftp.debian.org |
| 12:09.33 | znull | when i ping 130.89.148.12 it works (which ftp.debian.org) |
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| 12:09.52 | nsadmin | so then traceroute should work as well |
| 12:09.57 | znull | nsadmin : hwo do i put default lang, english? |
| 12:10.31 | nsadmin | just after booting the installer? |
| 12:10.43 | znull | nsadmin : reconfigure it I mean:) |
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| 12:11.04 | nsadmin | oh, right, you could try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:11.08 | Iridos | znull, well, you can switch the .de. part to .us. (.fr. , .uk. ) for testing |
| 12:11.57 | nsadmin | znull, and, ftp.debian.org has special purpose, try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 12:12.52 | znull | nsadmin : http://paste.debian.net/172351/ |
| 12:13.15 | znull | Iridos : traceroute traceroute to ftp.us.debian.org (64.50.236.52), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets send: Operation not permitted |
| 12:13.21 | nsadmin | what city are you located in? |
| 12:13.39 | nsadmin | do you have a firewall? |
| 12:13.42 | znull | nsadmin: no ideea, the server is in europe germany |
| 12:13.46 | znull | nsadmin; right let me look |
| 12:13.50 | znull | nsadmin: forgot about that |
| 12:14.02 | Iridos | Operation not permitted? |
| 12:14.21 | Iridos | that doesnt look like a normal debian installation to me at all... |
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| 12:14.36 | Iridos | that's a vps? |
| 12:14.40 | znull | vds |
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| 12:15.23 | Iridos | kinda looks like a firewall... but beats me why |
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| 12:15.44 | saban | hi. should reverse dns for mail server be for mail.server.com or to server.com ? |
| 12:15.47 | Iridos | what provider is it? perhaps worth to google it or complain to them |
| 12:15.54 | nsadmin | Iridos, looks like an iptables block maybe? |
| 12:16.06 | BCMM | hello. i'm sort of a newbie to dpkg and different debian versions. I have here a Debian Squeeze machine suffering from a (well-known) bug in LXpanel. is it possible for me to install a newer version of lxpanel, perhaps one from debian unstable? if so, how? |
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| 12:16.32 | znull | nsadmin: got some weird iptables rules |
| 12:16.47 | stew | saban: ideally all ips have a valid reverse dns entry |
| 12:16.58 | nsadmin | BCMM, you would backport in order to have the depends of the resulting package be within squeeze |
| 12:17.16 | BCMM | i do not know what backport means in this context |
| 12:17.17 | stew | saban: and typically it doesn't matter what the reverse resolves to, as long as it resolves to a name that forward maps back to the same ip |
| 12:17.26 | nsadmin | znull, that could be what's up |
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| 12:17.55 | saban | stew: so if i send mail from mail.example.com then reverse dns should resolve beck to mail.example.com and not to example.com |
| 12:18.03 | stew | saban: if mail.server.com and server.com are both the same machine and resolve to the same ip address, it shouldn't matter which one that ip address reverse maps to |
| 12:18.45 | nsadmin | saban, for example you wouldn't need MX records... you could try: dig yourdomain.com mx |
| 12:18.50 | nsadmin | to see if there are any |
| 12:19.02 | znull | nsadmin : not sure how should I stop the firewall, debian does not have a init.d/iptables like centos? |
| 12:19.21 | nsadmin | look in init.d to see what it does have |
| 12:19.23 | jhutchins_wk | znull: It can. |
| 12:19.29 | saban | some mail providers like aol yahoo reject our mailes.. so i need to reverse dns (from ip to domain) |
| 12:19.56 | znull | nsadmin : ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/ip*: No such file or directory |
| 12:20.15 | jhutchins_wk | znull: That would suggest that whoever built the machine didn't use iptables. |
| 12:20.20 | nsadmin | znull, well for example I'm not expecting ipmasq |
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| 12:20.50 | znull | hutchins_wk: well i have some rules on iptables.. |
| 12:21.06 | nsadmin | but just look at /etc/init.d |
| 12:21.12 | nsadmin | see what's there |
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| 12:21.31 | nsadmin | is this your server? are you adminning with another person? |
| 12:21.42 | znull | nsadmin : friend server, |
| 12:21.45 | znull | nsadmin : http://paste.debian.net/172356/ |
| 12:22.30 | stew | znull: have you actually verified with "iptables -L -n" or similar that it is local firewall rules which block the connection? or are we just guessing? |
| 12:22.37 | nsadmin | any rule defs in say rc.local? |
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| 12:23.35 | znull | nsadmin : http://paste.debian.net/172358/ |
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| 12:23.44 | znull | stew : yeah I checked http://paste.debian.net/172358/ |
| 12:23.47 | jhutchins_wk | I think there's a package that establishes save-on-shutdown restore-on-startup. |
| 12:23.55 | ePax | Im trying to use sony ericsson vivaz to send sms from debian... its connected to ttyACM0 the problem is that it only can send one sms after i connect the mobile then it hangs |
| 12:24.08 | jhutchins_wk | znull: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 12:24.15 | stew | znull: and what is your goal? to kill your friends firewall off completely? |
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| 12:24.37 | znull | stew : for 10minutes.. i need to install some packages |
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| 12:25.12 | jhutchins_wk | Package installation usually isn't affected by firewall settings. |
| 12:25.25 | __zero | could there be any reason why a process is trying to listen on the same port twice? im trying to set up strongswan but its trying to listen on port 500 twice |
| 12:25.30 | znull | jhutchins_wk : it is now;) |
| 12:25.48 | stew | znull: look in /etc/network/interfaces for an up rule |
| 12:25.49 | jhutchins_wk | znull: I doubt that. |
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| 12:25.58 | jhutchins_wk | __zero: Usually tcp+udp |
| 12:26.16 | __zero | jhutchins_wk: they're both on udp.. |
| 12:26.50 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, there are a lot of LOG_DROP all 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
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| 12:28.47 | znull | nsadmin: fixed, |
| 12:28.54 | znull | nsadmin: i forgot about iptables-save |
| 12:29.58 | BCMM | how do different debian versions work? Wheezy will become Debian Stable at some point, replacing Squeeze, right? |
| 12:30.03 | g0dfrey | How to have software work if traffic go out via eth0 and in via eth1? |
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| 12:30.18 | nsadmin | znull, so you'll -quickly- need to talk to your friend to see how to bring that firewall back up, and maybe also about altering the firewall so you can install stuff |
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| 12:30.22 | BCMM | g0dfrey: trying to bridge networks for another machine? |
| 12:30.55 | znull | stew : iptables -X throws iptables: Too many links. |
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| 12:31.43 | nsadmin | znull, one thing I notice in the rules are a -lot- of rules involving specific IPs |
| 12:31.57 | jhutchins_wk | Seriously, why would a firewall affect software installation? |
| 12:32.14 | nsadmin | blocking port 80 would be my guess |
| 12:32.53 | jhutchins_wk | It could affect operation, but unless the software needs to connect to an external source for some essential component of installation it just doesn't make sense. |
| 12:33.21 | nsadmin | agreed... and, the friend isn't here to answer that |
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| 12:33.32 | Sevet | BCMM: right, squeeze would become oldstable, testing become stable, and there'll be a new testing |
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| 12:33.55 | BCMM | Sevet: thanks! am i right in saying that the change is happening soon? |
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| 12:34.57 | Sevet | feature freeze later in the month, but that version change won't be until the actual release |
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| 12:35.58 | BCMM | Sevet: ah, so a "no new stuff" policy like stable has is adopted a bit before it actually becomes the new stable, to allow bugfixes to happen? |
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| 12:36.49 | g0dfrey | BCMM: No methods for just one box? |
| 12:37.07 | BCMM | g0dfrey: i mean, i don't know exactly what you're trying to do |
| 12:37.43 | BCMM | g0dfrey: i suspect wireshark can give you the information you want, since it can basically watch all your networks connections, but there may be a simpler and lighter way |
| 12:38.12 | g0dfrey | BCMM: For example,i "ping 8.8.8.8" and the default route is eth0 but i will receive the ping-reply from eth1 |
| 12:38.25 | Sevet | BCMM: exactly |
| 12:38.26 | Sevet | BCMM: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/05/msg00004.html |
| 12:38.27 | g0dfrey | BCMM: So ping doesn't work |
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| 12:38.40 | BCMM | g0dfrey: ah, i see. what are eth1 and eth0 physically connected to? |
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| 12:39.32 | g0dfrey | May be different networks...that's not important and i have nothingto do with that |
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| 12:40.20 | BCMM | Sevet: ah, i see. i was wondering what was happening this month when a two-year cycle would put hte next release in feb '13 |
| 12:40.48 | BCMM | g0dfrey: i mean, are they both networks that have a connection to the internet? |
| 12:40.50 | Sm0ke0ut | not sure where to go with this, but perhaps someone knows; If you send a mail to user@example.com (let's say mx.example.com - 127.0.0.1). after being sent (but not delivered due to failure) and you change the MX record in the mainwhile, will it do an aditional MX lookup as soon it will try to deliver it again? |
| 12:40.56 | g0dfrey | yes |
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| 12:41.00 | g0dfrey | BCMM: yes |
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| 12:44.27 | nsadmin | if mx.example.com is 127.0.0.1, things won't work |
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| 12:44.51 | nsadmin | except in the most degenerate of cases |
| 12:44.52 | x4rlos | nsadmin: maybe thats why he changed it :-) |
| 12:45.01 | g0dfrey | BCMM:how about setting up a virtual interface that all the traffic out will be route via eth0 and when traffic in via eth1,it will look like they come in via the virtual interface? |
| 12:45.42 | nsadmin | x4rlos, hadn't seen any indication of that... you? |
| 12:45.46 | g0dfrey | BCMM: And so software will work with the virtual interface |
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| 12:50.45 | stew | znull: you likely don't want to just blow away all the rules, just insert a new rule at the top to allow what you need, then remove itwhen you are done |
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| 12:51.43 | jhutchins_wk | BCMM: Debian's releases are not schedule driven, they depend on problem resolution. |
| 12:52.08 | Sm0ke0ut | nsadmin: I know that. I'm just wondering if a MTA will do a new MX lookup every time it's trying to deliver the mail |
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| 12:52.24 | zawapete | hi all |
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| 12:53.13 | zawapete | i've set up an ipsec vpn on squeeze |
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| 12:53.28 | jhutchins_wk | Sm0ke0ut: TIAS |
| 12:53.31 | zawapete | all fine, but i don't have a clue about routing :| |
| 12:54.15 | zawapete | right place for this kind of "support"? |
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| 12:54.42 | x4rlos | #iptables? |
| 12:55.03 | Sevet_ | #networking might be better, or #strongswan etc |
| 12:55.12 | zawapete | Sevet_: thanks |
| 12:55.30 | zawapete | x4rlos: iptables seems to be ok |
| 12:55.52 | zawapete | i mean: it doesn't block the traffic |
| 12:56.02 | zawapete | so it should be a pure routing issue |
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| 12:57.53 | zawapete | lol |
| 12:58.06 | zawapete | it was the channel #iptables |
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| 12:59.55 | RainbowDashh | OK, what package set my default shell to dash? |
| 13:00.04 | abrotman | RainbowDashh: dash |
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| 13:00.09 | RainbowDashh | ... |
| 13:00.16 | RainbowDashh | I'm serious, what set it to dash. |
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| 13:00.27 | abrotman | and it didn't set your default shell to dash, it set /bin/sh to dash |
| 13:00.28 | RainbowDashh | Unless you literally mean dash. |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | RainbowDashh: *dash* |
| 13:00.53 | RainbowDashh | Oh. |
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| 13:01.06 | RainbowDashh | I guess I have to apt-get purge dash |
| 13:01.14 | themill | umm... no. |
| 13:01.18 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 13:01.23 | abrotman | SLEDGEHAMMER! |
| 13:01.25 | themill | RainbowDashh: what's the real problem that you're trying to fix her? |
| 13:01.26 | jhutchins_wk | RainbowDashh: usermod -s <shell of your choice> |
| 13:01.29 | themill | here |
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| 13:03.37 | Glarbex | Hello, it seems that my sound card is not being detected in my new Debian squeeze installation. alsactl init gives "alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found...". In lspci it shows up just as "00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1e20] (rev 04)". Kernel version is 2.6.32-5-amd64. |
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| 13:04.18 | abrotman | RainbowDashh: did you try 'dpkg-reconfigure dash' ? |
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| 13:04.38 | themill | fixing the broken scripts would be even better than doing that |
| 13:04.49 | altin | can anyone tell me why when I run racoon |
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| 13:05.02 | altin | apache stops |
| 13:05.03 | altin | and even I get disconnected from internet |
| 13:05.07 | abrotman | themill: didn't seem like an option .. |
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| 13:06.21 | pseudoprime | haskell just broke apt-get on my webserver :/ |
| 13:06.29 | pseudoprime | could someone help me figure out how to fix it? |
| 13:07.23 | pseudoprime | http://hpaste.org/69371 |
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| 13:08.16 | pseudoprime | http://hpaste.org/69372 |
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| 13:08.58 | RainbowDashh | I just did it. |
| 13:09.11 | RainbowDashh | I wonder why it does dash by default... |
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| 13:09.28 | themill | RainbowDashh: "it" meaning what in this context? dash is not the default interactive shell. |
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| 13:09.41 | sje46 | Is there a way to "restart" my touchpad without restarting my computer? |
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| 13:10.07 | abrotman | RainbowDashh: i already explained it wasn't the default ... |
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| 13:10.44 | Blackshirt | Abrotman, what that mean? |
| 13:11.47 | pseudoprime | nobody knows how to fix aptitude? |
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| 13:12.29 | Blackshirt | Pseudoprime, what happen with aptitude? |
| 13:12.39 | pseudoprime | http://hpaste.org/69371 |
| 13:12.41 | Glarbex | A monad ate it! |
| 13:12.46 | pseudoprime | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.10 | pseudoprime | I get that when I try to do anything apt-related |
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| 13:13.35 | pseudoprime | this happened to me once before on ubuntu abot 4 years ago, i dont remember how i fixed it though |
| 13:13.58 | krisfremen | always keep notes |
| 13:14.02 | themill | pseudoprime: I don't like the look of there being a /root/.ghc/ (but I also don't do haskell...). |
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| 13:16.52 | pseudoprime | moving .ghc fixed it, thx themill :) |
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| 13:18.36 | Blackshirt | Was dual core 32 bit or 64 bit procesor? |
| 13:20.00 | krisfremen | Blackshirt: both? |
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| 13:20.37 | krisfremen | dual core is how many cores the processor has, not the size of its registers |
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| 13:20.52 | x4rlos | pseudoprime: Think you need to do a --fix or sdomething. |
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| 13:21.54 | x4rlos | is it apt-get install --fix or --force or something. Dang. |
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| 13:22.11 | pjc_ | x4rlos: apt-get -f install |
| 13:22.20 | stew | which is short for --fix-missing |
| 13:22.51 | Blackshirt | Kristefemen, what do you know if intel dual core procie was 32 or 64 bit,?can you tell me? |
| 13:22.54 | x4rlos | ah, there ya go :-) |
| 13:23.14 | die7 | kquemu is not in squeeze? |
| 13:23.21 | colo-work | Blackshirt, fgrep " lm " /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:24.52 | stew | die7: removed a couple of years ago: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594624 |
| 13:25.15 | die7 | stew: ok, tnx |
| 13:25.44 | valerie | stew, I talked to you yesterday. I have windows on laptop and installed linux on logical partition. Now, when I start Linux, it doesn't go beyond "loading , please wait" Any ideas on how to get linux worling? |
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| 13:27.07 | Blackshirt | Colo-work, i have no linux installed, i want to know suite debian arch for my procie |
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| 13:28.13 | bolt | how do I safely disconnect my android phone from its usb connection from the command line? on windows I can use the "safely remove" feature, but on my console based debian box I have no idea what to do. I unmount the drive, but the phone still goes nuts if I pull the cable. I need to "disconnect" it more than that first, it seems. |
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| 13:28.39 | chemistrydioxide | Hi, can someone help me with my FTP server? I'm tunneling the FTP connection through SSH and I have forwarded a range of ports for data connections. However, some clients are still unable to open data connections |
| 13:28.52 | stew | Blackshirt: what is a "procie"? |
| 13:29.17 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: the ftp server will send its local ip for remote machines to connect to in the data command |
| 13:29.24 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: ftp is not designed for ssh tunneling |
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| 13:29.39 | chemistrydioxide | Yeah, I know and I already got that covered |
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| 13:29.51 | chemistrydioxide | I configured the FTP server to send the correct IP |
| 13:29.56 | Blackshirt | stew, i mean processor |
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| 13:30.13 | chemistrydioxide | and I looked at the traffic with a packet sniffer |
| 13:30.26 | stew | Blackshirt: which processor do you have? |
| 13:30.38 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: why can't you just use sftp or similar? |
| 13:30.50 | stew | valerie: can you get into rescue mode? |
| 13:30.52 | chemistrydioxide | It's the right IP that goes over the wire |
| 13:30.56 | stew | valerie: i mean with an installer, perhaps? |
| 13:31.08 | chemistrydioxide | bolt: user stupidity |
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| 13:31.18 | krisfremen | Blackshirt: just download the netinst and try |
| 13:31.43 | krisfremen | Blackshirt: if you're on windows, right click on my computer and properties, look for 64or 32bit |
| 13:31.50 | valerie | stew, by using ALT+F2? |
| 13:32.00 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: and you can't just set up proper port forwards with iptables or similar? |
| 13:32.03 | stew | valerie: no, by typing "rescue" at the boot prompt, iirc |
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| 13:32.29 | stew | Blackshirt: i'm not sure if you were tryihng to say you had a dual core processor, but if you do, then you likely definitely want the amd64 image |
| 13:32.44 | chemistrydioxide | Problem is, I'm behind a NAT that is not under my control |
| 13:33.01 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: then why are you running a server on it? |
| 13:33.35 | bolt | you're running an ftp server without permission? |
| 13:33.40 | stew | chemistrydioxide: all the clients will have to use passive mode |
| 13:33.54 | Blackshirt | Stew, yes, i have intel dual core processor...not core 2 duo |
| 13:34.18 | chemistrydioxide | Problem is, the whole thing works with some clients and with some clients, it doesn't. |
| 13:34.26 | chemistrydioxide | And yes, I am using passive mode |
| 13:34.31 | Blackshirt | Stew, are you sure? |
| 13:34.41 | chemistrydioxide | bolt: I don't need permission to run an ftp server |
| 13:35.09 | stew | Blackshirt: how much memory do you have? |
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| 13:35.34 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: so you're allowed to do so, but not allowed to do so properly? |
| 13:35.53 | chemistrydioxide | bolt: And the reason why I am running the FTP server behind the NAT is that my files are here, not on some other server |
| 13:35.54 | stew | Blackshirt: if you have a 64 bit processor, and64 or i386 will work. if you have a 32 bit processor you must use i386 |
| 13:35.55 | chemistrydioxide | bolt: yes |
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| 13:36.15 | stew | Blackshirt: if you have < 4gb of ram, i386 is probably a good choice either way |
| 13:36.23 | valerie | stew, I got to minimal BASH-like line editing, grub> |
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| 13:37.23 | chemistrydioxide | bolt: I am root on my server but I'm not controlling that router |
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| 13:38.13 | chemistrydioxide | And another problem is that even a port forwarding for FTP on the router could be a pain to set up |
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| 13:39.38 | BuisSse | How do i route within vlans? |
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| 13:41.44 | stew | valerie: from a grub prompt, you could use the built-in tab completion to see if the kernel you are trying to boot is located where you think it is |
| 13:42.12 | stew | valerie: my tendency would probably be just to get into a rescue shell and setup grub again |
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| 13:42.34 | chemistrydioxide | So noone got an idea? |
| 13:43.01 | valerie | stew, how would I get into rescue shell? |
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| 13:43.25 | pratz | hey guys how can i installed screen terminal emulator in debian 6 |
| 13:43.29 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: without looking at the network dump i don't know where it goes wrong, but i know you're doing this in a very wrong way |
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| 13:43.51 | pratz | i did apt-get install screen, but debian said it did not find the package |
| 13:44.07 | bolt | chemistrydioxide: the sane thing to do would be to ditch ftp alltogether or at least set up proper port forwarding. or just host the files elsewhere if the network you're in is so difficult |
| 13:44.16 | nkuttler | pratz: pastebin command + error |
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| 13:44.34 | pratz | nkuttler: it's not an error , i guess |
| 13:44.38 | bolt | !ftp |
| 13:44.39 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 13:44.41 | tziOm | Is there any pam module to make passwd unreadable to users? |
| 13:44.47 | pratz | i have to add some lines in sources.list |
| 13:44.49 | pratz | i guess |
| 13:44.54 | nkuttler | !tell pratz about sources.list |
| 13:44.58 | pratz | the non-free once |
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| 13:45.12 | nkuttler | pratz: certainly not |
| 13:45.24 | x4rlos | screen - terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation |
| 13:45.26 | x4rlos | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main amd64 Packages |
| 13:45.39 | valerie | stew, what should I type at grub prompt to see where kernel is located? |
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| 13:46.22 | dizzylizzy | what's the best way to find out my local IP from the terminal, the 192.168.*.* ? |
| 13:46.28 | dizzylizzy | without logging in as root to use ifconfig |
| 13:46.53 | nkuttler | dizzylizzy: use ifconfig as normal user? |
| 13:46.58 | bolt | dizzylizzy: you don't need root for that |
| 13:47.02 | bolt | dizzylizzy: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:47.29 | nkuttler | dizzylizzy: also /msg dpkg path |
| 13:47.30 | stew | dizzylizzy: or `ip a` |
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| 13:48.52 | stew | valerie: you should be able to do something like (hd0,1)/<tab> to tab complete files on that partition. I don't know what the right (hd0,1) thing would be in your case, but the 0 in (hd0,1) refers the first mapped drive and 1 refers to a particular partition on that drive |
| 13:48.54 | pratz | nkuttler: here http://pastebin.com/TVyg5vVi |
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| 13:49.25 | stew | valerie: you can abuse this tab completion to see which partition is which until you figure out which the right (hdx,y) is the right one for boot and the right one for root |
| 13:49.26 | pratz | x4rlos: yes, how do i install it |
| 13:49.54 | nkuttler | pratz: run apt-get update first |
| 13:49.56 | caracal | can anyone tell me which package contains the file (or more likely it's a directory) called "/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/linux", or at least how i can find out? |
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| 13:50.05 | dizzylizzy | oh wow, thanks nkuttler and bolt |
| 13:50.07 | caracal | currently that modules dir contains one subdir named "dri" |
| 13:50.10 | pratz | nkuttler: already done that |
| 13:50.15 | stew | valerie: then make sure grub has the right root specified on the linux command line and make sure its looking on the right partition for the kernel |
| 13:50.20 | nkuttler | pratz: ok, paste your sources.list then |
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| 13:50.33 | caracal | which this script (ati driver installer) also checks for, and finds |
| 13:50.59 | nkuttler | caracal: er, what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:51.22 | caracal | i'm trying to get the ati driver installer to build a .deb, like it says it knows how to do |
| 13:51.51 | nkuttler | !tell caracal about fglrx |
| 13:51.52 | caracal | more broadly, i'm trying to test fglrx on my new box, since the foss driver has some, um, inadequacies |
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| 13:52.35 | pratz | nkuttler: here http://pastebin.com/GhdHrDvq |
| 13:52.35 | nkuttler | !tell caracal about fglrx dkms |
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| 13:53.00 | nkuttler | pratz: oh well you only have security sources, that won't do. /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 13:53.00 | caracal | heh, yeah, that ATIProprietary wiki page says "On wheezy, now it works perfectly well, at least now. 2012-05-08" ... not true as of jun 1 |
| 13:53.12 | nkuttler | caracal: yeah, not in testing atm |
| 13:53.23 | caracal | found that out about three hours ago |
| 13:53.36 | caracal | an incompatibility with the new xorg, apparently |
| 13:53.40 | caracal | been waiting 33 days |
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| 13:54.04 | nkuttler | caracal: there's a bug report.. you can probably just get an older xorg from the archives if you care |
| 13:54.04 | caracal | so i tried getting it directly from amd |
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| 13:54.16 | pratz | nkuttler: what is that now ? |
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| 13:54.21 | nkuttler | caracal: anyway, /msg dpkg apt-file to find files |
| 13:54.30 | nkuttler | pratz: did you read what the bot told you? |
| 13:54.39 | nkuttler | pratz: or, did you msg it? |
| 13:54.43 | caraconan | Good evening. How to ask about <deb-src sid> in this chat? Thanks |
| 13:55.07 | caraconan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.11 | nkuttler | caraconan: by typing a question on your keyboard |
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| 13:55.32 | caraconan | Ok, now I see that a new window opened. Many thanks |
| 13:55.33 | pratz | nkuttler: but what are the lines i should add ? |
| 13:55.35 | stew | caraconan: if you just type your actaul question here, i'm sure we'll be able to answer it |
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| 13:55.47 | caracal | <dpkg> wish i knew |
| 13:55.57 | x4rlos | pratz: apt-get update && apt-get installs creen |
| 13:55.58 | caraconan | Well, it's already documented, so I do prefer to try first. Thanks ! |
| 13:55.58 | caracal | i've been getting results like that all day :P |
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| 13:56.08 | jtac | how can i make a user so he can make sudo ? |
| 13:56.08 | stew | pratz: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 13:56.09 | nkuttler | pratz: but the bot told you |
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| 13:56.17 | caraconan | x4rlos: probably you want screen |
| 13:56.18 | caracal | but thanks for the tip, for future reference |
| 13:56.25 | nkuttler | jtac: install and configure sudo |
| 13:56.31 | stew | jtac: is sudo installed? |
| 13:56.42 | x4rlos | caraconan: yeah, spelled it wrong, but he no listen :-) |
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| 13:56.52 | stew | jtac: do you want to give them sudo access to do *anything they want*, or some subset? |
| 13:57.02 | jtac | everything |
| 13:57.09 | jtac | with usermod i think |
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| 13:57.24 | stew | jtac: "adduser username sudo" |
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| 13:57.44 | caracal | btw, that "fglrx dkms" factoid starts out "For Squeeze users..." ... very funny :) |
| 13:57.52 | caraconan | Ok, my question: how to backport a package which is not yet backported? I copy/pasted some lines, but I don't know how to ask the bot |
| 13:58.00 | stew | caraconan: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:58.53 | caraconan | Thanks |
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| 13:59.59 | valerie | stew, when I type hd0/1 and press tab, I get nothing and if I pree enter I get unknown command hd0,1 |
| 14:00.11 | caracal | wait, am i spelling it wrong? dpkg is saying "Huh?" to every apt-file command i give it |
| 14:00.23 | Sevet | caraconan: http://backports-master.debian.org/Contribute/ |
| 14:00.35 | caraconan | Sevet: thanks |
| 14:00.42 | caracal | /msg dpkg apt-file ls <-- you'd think this would work, at least, no? |
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| 14:01.30 | stew | caracal: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:02.09 | caracal | stew: trying to find out which (if any) package might give me the file (or more likely it's a directory) called "/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/linux" |
| 14:02.11 | jeka | 'Virtio Disk' value is not exist in 'Device type' tab, why? i mean its result of upgrading of kernel |
| 14:02.25 | jeka | in virt-manager* |
| 14:02.30 | stew | caracal: perhaps you are meaning to do "/msg dpkg find lib64/modules/linux" |
| 14:02.43 | caracal | was doing what nkuttler suggested |
| 14:02.47 | stew | caracal: X11R6 went away years ago, you shouldn't need that path to exist at all |
| 14:03.01 | caracal | and yet, the ati driver installer insists on it |
| 14:03.18 | caracal | and i do have it, but it contains only a "dri" subdir |
| 14:03.19 | nkuttler | !apt-file |
| 14:03.19 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 14:03.34 | caracal | ahhh |
| 14:03.35 | caracal | duh |
| 14:03.43 | stew | its not surprising that the ati installer is broken |
| 14:03.47 | caracal | thanks for the clarification |
| 14:04.03 | caracal | yeah, i'd prefer to use the foss driver, but it's ... old |
| 14:04.14 | caracal | and doesn't support a lot of stuff, it seems |
| 14:04.23 | Sevet | caracal: apt-file doesn't find any package that'll give you that path |
| 14:04.30 | nsadmin | whats less important than its age is whether it works |
| 14:04.31 | Sevet | manually create a symlink to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux perhaps? |
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| 14:04.46 | caracal | worth a try, i suppose |
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| 14:05.11 | stew | valerie: sorry its been years since I've tried to do what you are doing, and again, i'd use a rescue shell, but anyway, note that it is (hd0,1) not hd0/1 or hd0,1, you probably have to preface this with something that would actually make it look for a file, like "kernel" or "initrd" |
| 14:05.41 | stew | caracal: why are you using and ati installer? |
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| 14:06.10 | caracal | because i wanted to compare it to the foss driver, which has fallen short in a few areas |
| 14:06.24 | wwd | hi folks i am trying to initiate a iscsi connection with a target i setup (i am exporting an md device using iscsitarget). On the initiator I have discovered the target and iscsi -m session shows the target, however frisk doesn't seem to be able to find it… what am i missing… thanks |
| 14:06.26 | arietis | how can i allow full access to some directory? |
| 14:06.29 | caracal | and because fglrx-driver is out of testing at the moment |
| 14:06.42 | caracal | "at the moment" = "for the past 33 days" |
| 14:06.44 | wwd | fdisk |
| 14:07.09 | stew | caracal: so use one that is not in testing? |
| 14:07.11 | stew | whatever |
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| 14:07.52 | caracal | yeah, sure |
| 14:07.53 | Sevet | arietis: do you mean all users read/write? chmod 777 |
| 14:08.20 | arietis | Sevet: yeah, i have partition which i wanna share via network |
| 14:08.21 | stew | if you are doing chmod 777, you are almost deinitely doing the wrong thing |
| 14:08.33 | Sevet | stew: yea was going to say |
| 14:08.37 | valerie | stew, I tried kernel(hd0,1) and initrd(hd0,1) and get the same message. Maybe the problem is rather VGA? |
| 14:08.48 | stew | VGA? |
| 14:08.50 | caracal | okay, softlink didn't work, sigh |
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| 14:09.00 | Sevet | arietis: you more probably want something like 775 and control access via a group |
| 14:09.22 | caracal | so i'm guessing the answer to my original question is, "no debian package provides that file/dir, you idiot!" :) |
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| 14:09.28 | nsadmin | valerie, they may be contained in those storage volumes, and you need to specify the files |
| 14:09.35 | arietis | Sevet: i want full access cause nobody except me can use it anyway |
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| 14:09.45 | valerie | stew, well, I mean there is no normal image |
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| 14:10.09 | nsadmin | are you in the grub shell now? |
| 14:10.18 | arietis | Sevet: i'm connecting to this partition via LAN |
| 14:10.27 | Sevet | how? nfs? samba? |
| 14:10.28 | valerie | nsadmin, what is 'they' referring to? |
| 14:10.39 | arietis | Sevet: afp |
| 14:10.50 | stew | valerie: try appending "vga=normal" to the kernel command line |
| 14:10.51 | nsadmin | valerie, the initrd and the vmlinuz |
| 14:11.42 | arietis | at the moment i can't write to disk as guest, i wanna be able to do it |
| 14:12.18 | arietis | cause i wanna itunes to save data on this partition |
| 14:12.21 | caracal | well thanks for the help, nkuttler and stew, sorry there's no good answer |
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| 14:12.35 | stew | valerie: if you can watch the disk activity, it should be pretty obvious after "Loading..." if it is actually booting but you can't see, or if it is just sitting there doing nothing |
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| 14:14.08 | arietis | Sevet: i tried chmod 755 but it still says no permittion |
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| 14:15.01 | arietis | permission* |
| 14:15.03 | nacimep | whats the disk filesystem? |
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| 14:15.10 | nsadmin | arietis, what dir do you want to access as what user? |
| 14:15.11 | stew | caracal: i can tell you that, generally /usr/X11R6 should be just /usr. /usr/lib64 should probably just be /usr/lib. /usr/lib/modules/linux I don't believe should exist, but perhaps its extremely broken when trying to find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) or something |
| 14:15.29 | stew | caracal: or perhaps /usr/lib64 should be /lib64 |
| 14:15.43 | arietis | nsadmin: the one i'm sharing, i reformatted it from xfs to ext4 |
| 14:15.47 | stew | caracal: but i'd still not expect /lib64/modules/linux to exist |
| 14:15.54 | caracal | i wouldn't have worried about it so much, but i just d/l'd a new beta driver file from ati, and it has the same problem |
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| 14:16.10 | valerie | stew, the hd light is on until that little sound that you can here when it prompts you to log in , then the light disappears |
| 14:16.14 | stew | arietis: what user does this daemon run as? |
| 14:16.22 | stew | valerie: try vga=normal then |
| 14:16.23 | caracal | it's not a huge issue, building a debian package is only one of the modes it can run in (the other is to install directly, which does work) |
| 14:17.02 | caracal | i'm just disappointed because the binary blob from nvidia works smoothly, and i had higher hopes for the ati/amd product |
| 14:17.04 | Sevet | stew: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux exists and seems the closest match, it's used by xserver-xorg-core & fglrx-driver... but caracal said it doesn't work. likely because the installer still expects x11r6 not xorg |
| 14:17.12 | arietis | stew: how do i check it? |
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| 14:17.29 | caracal | sevenfourk: yes, i tried a softlink, but it still fails, same error |
| 14:17.31 | stew | arietis: with ps? |
| 14:17.35 | Sevet | caracal: can you use the fglrx-driver? |
| 14:17.44 | caracal | i could if it were in testing |
| 14:17.51 | caracal | but it has been out for 33 days and counting |
| 14:18.23 | caracal | see, i just bought this new computer, and am having the normal fun getting it set up |
| 14:18.33 | Sevet | ah right |
| 14:18.42 | caracal | at least the standard debian radeon driver works, but not as well as i'd hoped |
| 14:18.55 | caracal | but well enough to tide me over until some of these issues get resolved |
| 14:19.04 | arietis | stew: yeah but i don't know pid |
| 14:19.16 | arietis | and top list is too big for my window |
| 14:19.20 | Sevet | well, obviously you could just not use testing ;) but i expect you're deliberately wanting to |
| 14:19.31 | stew | arietis: ps -o user $pid |
| 14:19.42 | stew | arietis: you you DON'T know pid |
| 14:19.48 | caracal | yeah, been using testing for, gosh, over a decade and it's been very good to me |
| 14:20.02 | stew | arietis: then search for it with "ps ax" |
| 14:20.33 | caracal | honestly, i couldn't give a rat's mass about any linux subdir under any X11R6 dir, but this stupid script fails because it isn't there |
| 14:20.46 | stew | i've been avoiding closed source video drivers for a decade and its even better! :) |
| 14:20.53 | caracal | and it only fails when i try to use it in its "build a debian package" mode |
| 14:21.15 | caracal | stew: yes, but i bet you don't do a lot of opengl development, eh? |
| 14:21.33 | stew | none, but afaik opengl works fine |
| 14:21.41 | caracal | at least the radeon foss driver is a lot better in that area than the nvidia one |
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| 14:21.53 | caracal | welllll well, heh, that's where you're mistaken :) |
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| 14:22.09 | arietis | stew: it says user root |
| 14:22.10 | caracal | it does not work "fine", unless you have a very liberal definition of "fine" |
| 14:22.13 | valerie | stew, i used iirc again when booting from CD and got a bunch of lines. On of them: set root= '(hd0,msdos5)', also root=UUID...and press F2 for a command line |
| 14:22.36 | caracal | anyway, i was hoping there was a simple answer to my question; i now see that there is not, so i'm satisfied |
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| 14:22.55 | stew | valerie: after root=UUID, add vga=normal |
| 14:23.01 | caracal | still love debian, still love wheezy, still hate nvidia, jury is out on radeons :P |
| 14:23.08 | Sevet | caracal: have you tried getting the fglrx-driver source package from sid (http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-driver) and building it? |
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| 14:23.18 | stew | i've deliberately only bought mahcines with intel graphics for many years |
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| 14:23.34 | caracal | Sevet: i have not ... supposedly it doesn't work with wheezy's version of xorg |
| 14:23.48 | caracal | which is why it's been barred from testing for now |
| 14:23.52 | Sevet | right |
| 14:24.03 | caracal | things usually aren't left out "just because" |
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| 14:24.42 | caracal | stew: my criterion for this box was "NOT nvidia" ... and a friend recommended ati, so i went with it |
| 14:24.47 | valerie | stew, you mean I should press F2 to go to command line and type root=UUID vga=normal? |
| 14:24.58 | caracal | a friend who knew i would be using linux on it, i hasten to add |
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| 14:25.17 | Sevet | caracal: yea, seems xorg was bumped to 1.12.1 which the driver doesn't support yet http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320 so it's pending on amd to update the driver |
| 14:25.29 | caracal | right, part of what makes this problem bearable is that it's temporary |
| 14:25.37 | caracal | but i want driver NOW! ;P |
| 14:25.50 | caracal | does his cave-child act |
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| 14:26.19 | jelly | !tell caracal about snapshot |
| 14:27.05 | caracal | somebody on the #ati channel said that the 12.4 driver was known not to work with wheezy, but pointed me to the beta 12.6 driver, which is the next thing i'll be trying |
| 14:27.06 | jelly | caracal: now you "merely" have to downgrade xorg to 1.11 from snapshots and install the driver |
| 14:27.12 | caracal | jelly: pffff |
| 14:27.14 | caracal | no thanks |
| 14:27.22 | caracal | but i appreciate the suggestion |
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| 14:27.46 | caracal | if this were keeping me from having any x at all, i'd consider it |
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| 14:28.11 | caracal | but it's more a matter of "got a new box, want bells'n'whistles" syndrome |
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| 14:28.47 | caracal | so okay, none of yesterday's humble bundle games will run, but i've only tried two of them so far :) |
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| 14:29.16 | caracal | leaving three others that *might* |
| 14:29.17 | raden | when the command su -c is used I understand by reading the man page that it is used to pass a single COMMAND to the shell. What exactly does that mean ? |
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| 14:30.24 | Sm0ke0ut | su -c 'apt-get update' |
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| 14:30.59 | Sm0ke0ut | not sure what to tell about it. The description is quite clear |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | and he's gone |
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| 14:32.21 | Sm0ke0ut | Ah right |
| 14:32.43 | caracal | okay guys, thanks for the help ... i'm gonna drop x and try ati's beta, so wish me luck! |
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| 14:33.18 | valerie | stew, those commands do not give any result. Is there a command to find out what kind of VGA is in the computer. I used lspci, but that gave me a bunch of numbers with VGA Controller |
| 14:33.35 | stew | valerie: what commands? |
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| 14:33.57 | stew | yes, "lspci" is a good commoand for finding out what kind of VGA is in the computer |
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| 14:35.29 | valerie | stew, i am just thinking that maybe I am missing some firmware or drivers for VGA? |
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| 14:36.18 | stew | valerie: i'm trying to get you to try "vga=normal" which should always work |
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| 14:37.22 | stew | since that should just be 80x25 text mode (which is probably the mode being used when you see "Loading linux...", and should work on ANY vga compatible card/monitor going back to the 80s |
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| 14:38.11 | valerie | stew, after grub> I type vga=normal and get nothing, just grub> Am I not doing it right? |
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| 14:39.34 | stew | valerie: no. this isn't a grub command. its a kernel parameter. edit the boot entry and change the kernel= line which has "root=UUID" to appeand "vga=normal" to that line, and try booting |
| 14:39.40 | Sevet | valerie: it's an option to the kernel, eg "linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 vga=normal ro" |
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| 14:43.14 | arietis | how come i don't have access to create new folder even with 755 rights? |
| 14:43.34 | Sevet | all parent folders have o+rx too? |
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| 14:43.46 | superstraw | you don't have permission to create the folder in the folder you are trying to create it in? |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | /win 1 |
| 14:44.09 | Sevet | there may be something in nettalk that limits user permissions there too (samba for example does) but i've never used afp |
| 14:45.32 | arietis | Sevet: but i did it before and the only thing i chqnged is filesystem type |
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| 14:47.11 | arietis | is there any difference related to network access between xfs and ext4? |
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| 14:50.12 | valerie | stew, I added vga=normal to the line with root=UUID and tried booting . Got the same screen |
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| 15:06.20 | grepper | Hi. New squeeze install with xfce4. I'm having trouble getting emacs key bindings working with xchat and iceweasel - had it working before on sid. /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme is set to "Emacs" but no go. Its also in my ~/.gtkrc-2.0. Any ideas ? |
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| 15:11.47 | g3orge | which utility's code would you suggest me to study, so I'd learn the coding style and methods of GNU and linux??? |
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| 15:12.06 | nsadmin | g3orge, gnu hello? |
| 15:12.23 | g3orge | what's that? |
| 15:12.33 | nsadmin | says hi or something :) |
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| 15:12.48 | nsadmin | gots a man page and everything |
| 15:13.39 | g3orge | seriously?? ha. apt-get source hello it is then. thx |
| 15:13.42 | nsadmin | you'll learn a few different things... it's short enough you can read every file in less than 15 mins |
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| 15:14.40 | valerie | stew, when I boot from CD and use tab to edit menu, I get " /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 initrd=/install.amd/initrd.gz --quiet" Should i erase 788 and write "normal" instead |
| 15:15.05 | nsadmin | g3orge, maints who want to demo different styles of packaging or build systems might make a hello-that package |
| 15:15.25 | stew | valerie: yes |
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| 15:17.06 | arietis | Sevet: chmod -R 777 /path solved problem |
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| 15:17.54 | nsadmin | arietis, be cautious with -R |
| 15:18.23 | arietis | nsadmin: why? |
| 15:18.29 | justin | arietis: if you had a permisions problem and you used chmod -R 777, now you have two problems |
| 15:19.17 | arietis | justin: it just means i have directory shared with entire world |
| 15:19.34 | Sevet | and writable by the entire world |
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| 15:19.59 | stew | arietis: you makde every file in that directory both executable and modifyable by anyone |
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| 15:20.03 | arietis | i'm ok with that cause nobody can access my LAN |
| 15:20.09 | valerie | stew, thanks, now I will through this new installation |
| 15:20.11 | stew | arietis: 777 is pretty much never the right solution, 1777 is probably better |
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| 15:20.28 | stew | arietis: when you create files there now, who is the user that owns the new files? |
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| 15:21.47 | Cyclohexane | what would be the best permissions for /home/*? i have some programs that need access to configs inside user directories perhaps 755 on /home/users/ but everything but the configs inside should be 700? |
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| 15:22.20 | x4rlos | Cyclohexane: you need to add x to directories. |
| 15:22.53 | Cyclohexane | what 701? |
| 15:23.27 | arietis | stew: 775 sounds better cause i don't need to run anything from it |
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| 15:24.50 | Sevet | arietis: do you understand what 775 means? |
| 15:24.51 | Cyclohexane | x4rlos: 701? |
| 15:25.01 | x4rlos | 711 probably. Give it a try. then make stuff in them directories in your home readable or whatever. |
| 15:25.07 | x4rlos | less i misunderstand you :-) |
| 15:25.49 | x4rlos | do it in a test folder first |
| 15:26.54 | arietis | Sevet: i do now |
| 15:27.03 | arietis | Sevet: i ment 776 |
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| 15:27.45 | stew | arietis: I'd recommend going through http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 15:28.19 | stew | arietis: and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions |
| 15:28.38 | Sevet | arietis: for file or directory? cause the +x isn't execute on directories, it's search |
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| 15:28.59 | nacimep | i like using chown |
| 15:29.05 | Cyclohexane | x4rlos: seems to work (well the programs can read the config) not sure about other users seeing each users directory? |
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| 15:29.38 | Sevet | and world-writable is almost never a good thing though. /tmp is just about the only place you'd normally see it. find the user that creates the files. give ownership to their user or one of their groups. you can then use something like 770,750 for directories and 660/640 on files |
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| 15:30.10 | stew | and in /tmp the permission is not 0777 but 1777 |
| 15:30.51 | x4rlos | Cyclohexane: Yeah, i dont really like the whole idea tbh :-) |
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| 15:31.33 | arietis | i don't get what's wrong with 777 if nobody can access my drive |
| 15:31.35 | Sevet | stew: true, because you don't want another user deleting your files |
| 15:31.37 | x4rlos | Cyclohexane: Maybe each user should have a Config folder outside the home, and then symlink it ? |
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| 15:32.25 | arietis | it's shared in LAN only and there is no port forwarding to it on router |
| 15:32.57 | arietis | not to mention i'm gonna use it as media storage only |
| 15:34.00 | Cyclohexane | x4rlos: Hmm.. I see what you mean. They would have to know the filename/location to be able to execute anything though I guess. |
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| 15:37.13 | x4rlos | yeah, but put say the folder in /opt/myprog/Configs/$USER and then give /opt/myprog/Configs/$USER 711 access and ln -s $HOME/Config to /opt/myprog/Configs/$USER |
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| 16:03.35 | Sidney__ | why would Debian mount my HD at times and give an error at others |
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| 16:05.35 | valdyn | Sidney__: because the circumstances are different |
| 16:06.35 | Sidney__ | How could the circumstances change when I only turned the system off and back on |
| 16:06.50 | valdyn | Sidney__: i cant know, youre not telling me |
| 16:06.57 | valdyn | Sidney__: but rest assured they are |
| 16:07.20 | Sevet | it would help if you told us what the errors were |
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| 16:08.07 | Sevet | also make sure you're shutting down not just turning the system off ;) |
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| 16:08.24 | Sidney__ | http://paste.debian.net/172393/ |
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| 16:09.07 | Sidney__ | I use system- shutdown -shutdown |
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| 16:17.30 | Sidney__ | If I reinstall the OS all of my drives get new id's eg. sdb1 sdb2 right |
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| 16:22.03 | stew | JeffJohnson: you're more likely to get answers to packaging questions in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 16:22.56 | JeffJohnson | stew: thx |
| 16:23.13 | stew | (and itym cdbs) |
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| 16:24.47 | Sidney__ | are config files and program settings the same |
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| 16:25.57 | nsadmin | Sidney__, conceptually yes, and config files are a specific way of doing settings |
| 16:26.07 | Sidney__ | I want to save a programs configration and settings |
| 16:26.15 | nsadmin | which one? |
| 16:26.27 | Sidney__ | compig |
| 16:26.31 | Sidney__ | z |
| 16:26.50 | nsadmin | compigz... |
| 16:27.00 | Sidney__ | compiz |
| 16:27.37 | nsadmin | ok, so one way to find its configs is to check the man page... lots of times, you'll see the locations in the FILES section |
| 16:28.07 | Sidney__ | so type compiz man |
| 16:28.40 | nsadmin | well the opposite. man compiz; man is the command and compiz is what you're feeding to man |
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| 16:38.48 | wajasu | whats a good apt repo proxy to us? i am making virtual machines from cd net installs and want to speed up things. |
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| 16:39.00 | stew | wajasu: approx |
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| 16:40.42 | wajasu | stew: thx |
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| 16:44.15 | JordiGH | When's the freeze? |
| 16:44.47 | JordiGH | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/05/msg00004.html |
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| 16:44.56 | JordiGH | Hm, not yet announced... |
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| 16:48.47 | Guest88650 | JordiGH: ETA 15d |
| 16:48.54 | JordiGH | D: |
| 16:49.00 | JordiGH | omg omg omg omg |
| 16:49.06 | JordiGH | Bugzilla won't be in wheezy. |
| 16:49.23 | Guest88650 | "we are now targeting a freeze in the *second half of |
| 16:49.25 | Guest88650 | June*." |
| 16:49.34 | x4rlos | anyone any quick adeas to get a few more random bytes for gpg? |
| 16:49.37 | Guest88650 | JordiGH: why not? |
| 16:49.43 | x4rlos | (ssh'd in from work to my home machine) |
| 16:49.55 | Guest88650 | x4rlos: get a entropy key? |
| 16:49.57 | JordiGH | Guest88650: #638705 |
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| 16:50.36 | x4rlos | Guest88650: Hmmm. |
| 16:50.43 | x4rlos | better idea. |
| 16:50.49 | stew | x4rlos: "find /" to cause some disk activity. I've also done stuff like shipped entropy from a remote machine via ssh, EGD can be useful for this |
| 16:51.15 | Guest88650 | JordiGH: Bugzilla should only reenter the archive if >= two maintainers commit |
| 16:51.16 | Guest88650 | to its maintenance. |
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| 16:51.32 | JordiGH | Guest88650: hence, "omg omg omg omg omg" |
| 16:51.51 | Guest88650 | well, you can use upstream tarball |
| 16:51.56 | x4rlos | stew: iyeah, i did this for abc.txt. grrr! |
| 16:52.01 | JordiGH | Yeah, you can also use Linux from scratch. |
| 16:52.05 | x4rlos | Now its indexed, i guess it wont do much. |
| 16:52.12 | JordiGH | Whenever I have to compile upstream tarballs, Debian has failed me. |
| 16:52.15 | Guest88650 | JordiGH: hehe.. |
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| 16:53.05 | themill | JordiGH: as the bug said, volunteers needed. It's not like bugzilla hasn't been in that state for quite a while or that people haven't known that the freeze was going to be this month. |
| 16:53.09 | x4rlos | oh no, its doing i for a.txt and b.txt, find / -name [a-z] work? |
| 16:53.58 | x4rlos | no, gr. |
| 16:54.01 | zumbi | JordiGH: plus you also have backports.. I doubt getting BZ in wheezy would make security team happy |
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| 16:54.10 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, I don't care about Bugzilla, but it's a pretty important project to not make it into wheezy. |
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| 16:54.28 | stew | looks like its been unmaintianed for while |
| 16:54.31 | themill | JordiGH: is it really? If no-one offers to maintain it, it can't be that important. |
| 16:54.43 | zumbi | we got debbugs! |
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| 16:55.13 | zumbi | uses BZ too for some work projects.. but does not admin it |
| 16:55.29 | stew | a non-exhaustive look makes me thing the current maintainer is mia and perhaps it should be orphaned |
| 16:55.35 | stew | or just RMed |
| 16:55.57 | JordiGH | It's already RMed. |
| 16:56.02 | JordiGH | Er, rm(1)'ed. |
| 16:56.16 | stew | judd: versions bugzilla3 |
| 16:56.17 | judd | Package: bugzilla3 on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.4.1-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.0.4.1-2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 3.6.2.0-4.4; squeeze: 3.6.2.0-4.5 |
| 16:56.22 | themill | !dbugs 638705 |
| 16:56.27 | dpkg | DONE:#638705:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: bugzilla -- RoST; open security issues, unmaintained (); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:18:02 UTC [] |
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| 16:56.47 | x4rlos | oh well, hometime. |
| 16:56.50 | Silent | Yo guys |
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| 16:57.02 | [TheFlash] | hi |
| 16:57.03 | Silent | I'm having a bit of trouble with Intel Graphics 3k on Debian |
| 16:57.14 | stew | hmm: http://packages.debian.org/sid/bugzilla3 |
| 16:57.17 | nsadmin | wait, bugzilla3 is another package? or what"s going on? |
| 16:57.20 | Silent | I have 2 monitors but it only sees 1 and calls it unknown |
| 16:57.20 | colo-work | Silent, squeeze? |
| 16:57.21 | [TheFlash] | glxinfo on my system says i don't have direct rendering |
| 16:57.31 | Silent | Yeah |
| 16:57.34 | [TheFlash] | i have the non-free fglrx driver installed and working |
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| 16:57.46 | colo-work | Silent, xorg and kernel from backports? |
| 16:57.47 | [TheFlash] | there's no error message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:57.57 | Silent | Sorry, not sure what that means |
| 16:58.08 | themill | stew: packages.d.o is still on crack. Try following the "download" link to your favourite mirror |
| 16:58.15 | colo-work | Silent, http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html |
| 16:58.19 | Silent | I just downloaded the ISO and installed as you normally would |
| 16:58.26 | [TheFlash] | Silent: add the backports repository |
| 16:58.26 | colo-work | do that that guide says, and you should be fine |
| 16:58.36 | Silent | Will do |
| 16:58.38 | Silent | Thanks |
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| 16:58.40 | colo-work | Silent, you want the "whole stack" option |
| 16:58.42 | colo-work | best of luck! :) |
| 16:58.50 | Silent | Thanks :) |
| 16:58.56 | [TheFlash] | does anyone know why i don't have direct rendering? |
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| 16:59.04 | stew | someone really needs to write a pdo that works directly off projectb |
| 16:59.06 | colo-work | Silent, and also get the latest kernel from backports |
| 16:59.17 | colo-work | gtg, bye! |
| 16:59.42 | themill | stew: it's the desire to have something static not dynamic that is the issue, I gather. |
| 16:59.50 | [TheFlash] | i installed fglrx from the backports repository |
| 17:00.01 | JordiGH | stew: Apparently bugzilla 3 is "catastrophically old". |
| 17:00.13 | [TheFlash] | there's no error in the dmesg log |
| 17:00.18 | stew | themill: what issue? |
| 17:00.31 | stew | themill: the issue that we don't have one working off projectb? |
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| 17:00.32 | nsadmin | JordiGH, is there another bug tracker that would work? |
| 17:00.33 | zumbi | JordiGH: it is listed as removed in your removal bug |
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| 17:00.57 | zumbi | and maintainer I think is mia for ages |
| 17:01.02 | wwd | guys i am trying to test read speed from my system.. i was thinking rsync'ing large files to /dev/null but rysnc says i can't use more than one file to a non-directory…. how would you test read speed on your system? |
| 17:01.09 | themill | stew: all the brokenness on packages.d.o is related to layers of cruft trying to generate static pages from a pile of Packages and Sources files. |
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| 17:01.25 | themill | stew: (at least, that's what I've gathered from #d-www) |
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| 17:02.14 | stew | themill: yeah. and things have changed since pdo was originally authored. now we have Packages.gz and Contentx.gz in projectb, and we have postgres repolication so that we could theoretically run it on a not actually talking to the real projectb |
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| 17:02.45 | themill | stew: I suspect DSA might have something to say about that... |
| 17:04.35 | valdyn | wwd: what is read speed? |
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| 17:04.53 | valdyn | wwd: youre just trying to measure rsync speed |
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| 17:05.30 | wwd | mmm, I'm really trying to measure speeds of an iscsi setup i just made |
| 17:05.42 | wwd | but i don't want the write speeds of the initiator to factor in |
| 17:06.05 | valdyn | wwd: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null |
| 17:06.07 | wwd | so i want to simply test how fast i can pull data off of an iscsi targot |
| 17:06.42 | stew | maybe: pv < /dev/sda > /dev/null |
| 17:07.44 | wwd | valdyn: okay will check that out, i should attempt with the entire block device? not just a large file? |
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| 17:13.29 | Silent | Guys |
| 17:13.33 | Silent | I'm a bit confused |
| 17:13.45 | Silent | How do I install a newer kernel from backports? |
| 17:13.50 | stew | !confuse Silent |
| 17:13.51 | dpkg | No, who are my weasel tomorrow, Silent? Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra anchovies. |
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| 17:14.01 | Silent | I'm following this https://ticketing.nforce.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/27 |
| 17:14.18 | Silent | Thanks stew lol |
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| 17:14.25 | nsadmin | Silent, you would just add the source and then use aptitude |
| 17:14.26 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 17:14.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.17-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 17:14.41 | Silent | What package should I look for |
| 17:14.45 | JordiGH | Silent: I've had bad luck with all the backported kernels. |
| 17:14.54 | stew | Silent: those instructions were written when 2.6.38 was in backports, the current kernel in backports is 3.2.0 |
| 17:15.02 | Silent | Well I don't have a choice, I need it to get my GPU working |
| 17:15.16 | Silent | I see |
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| 17:15.29 | JordiGH | People have a lot more choices than they think they do. |
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| 17:15.41 | Silent | Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT |
| 17:15.46 | Silent | ^ This? |
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| 17:16.06 | nsadmin | Silent, no guarantees on getting anything in particular working... but installing the 3.2 is easy |
| 17:16.15 | Silent | doesn't feel like compiling a Kernel himself |
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| 17:16.27 | stew | Silent: "apt-cache search -n linux-image-3.2" should generate a list of possiblities |
| 17:16.27 | Silent | Well it's ok |
| 17:16.33 | Silent | At least you're trying :) |
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| 17:18.10 | Silent | How about linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 ? |
| 17:18.19 | stew | Silent: sounds good |
| 17:18.23 | Silent | :) |
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| 17:18.46 | nsadmin | if you have ati, I don't even know what driver you should use... fglrx is for pretty old cards |
| 17:19.10 | Silent | Cool, it's installing |
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| 17:21.36 | Silent | Alright |
| 17:21.42 | nsadmin | Silent, don't remove the old kernel yet... they;'ll both be in the grub list |
| 17:21.50 | Silent | Other than some "possible missing frimware files" it installed fine |
| 17:21.59 | Silent | Reboot? |
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| 17:22.17 | Silent | Yeah I figured I might wanna have something to fall back to |
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| 17:22.40 | Silent | So is there anything left to be done? |
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| 17:22.53 | nsadmin | well maybe the firmware stuff |
| 17:23.04 | Silent | Hmm |
| 17:23.05 | nsadmin | but, you can try it now if you want |
| 17:23.13 | Silent | I do |
| 17:23.24 | Silent | Be right back, with a bit of luck :) |
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| 17:24.59 | [TheFlash] | i just rebooted |
| 17:25.11 | nsadmin | and? |
| 17:25.16 | [TheFlash] | it still doesn't work |
| 17:25.28 | [TheFlash] | direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT) |
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| 17:27.11 | [TheFlash] | maybe reinstalling fglrx would fix it? |
| 17:27.51 | nsadmin | do the docs/description/website claim it will work with your card? |
| 17:28.03 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: yes |
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| 17:28.40 | nsadmin | well, you can try it, and I believe there are other things to do, like install the opengl implementation that goes with that driver |
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| 17:29.06 | nsadmin | valerie, how's it workin? |
| 17:29.16 | valerie | nsadmin, |
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| 17:30.27 | valerie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.51 | nsadmin | valerie, are you the one who's working with a friend's laptop? |
| 17:31.40 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: MBR. |
| 17:32.00 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: That's what you should do except in cases where you already know you should do something else. |
| 17:32.27 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Install it to the drive (/dev/sd?), not to a partition (/dev/sd??) |
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| 17:32.40 | valerie | nsadmin, yes, and I talked to stew today, so maybe I should direct this question to stew. |
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| 17:33.07 | stew | yes, mbr |
| 17:33.09 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: It's usually best to just address the channel as a whole. Individuals come and go, and their focus comes and goes. |
| 17:33.13 | ac_slater | hey everyone, whats the best way to host a .deb on my network (I want other machines to pull it via apt to retrieve the deps) |
| 17:34.01 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, I have another OS on the computer. It is still OK to install to MBR? |
| 17:34.28 | nsadmin | valerie, if I recall correctly, you did say your friend wants linux |
| 17:34.37 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Yes. grub will detect and add an entry for the other OS. |
| 17:34.43 | stew | ac_slater: for the super simple way of hosting a single .deb use dpkg-scanpacakges as docuemneted in the (self-deprecating but still useful) repository HOWTO. for anything more complicated, I'd look at reprepro |
| 17:35.14 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: In squeeze it usually doesn't do that until you reboot and run update-grub |
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| 17:35.21 | ac_slater | stew, thanks bud. I'll look into it. I tried using apt-cacher and creating a repo... it was insane and didnt work |
| 17:35.31 | [TheFlash] | it's still not working |
| 17:35.40 | valerie | Yes, I have windows and installing Debian Wheezy |
| 17:35.50 | jhutchins_wk | There is a way to get the bootloader of recent versions of windows to chain-load the disk stage of grub, but it's complex. |
| 17:36.18 | stew | ac_slater: if you want your repostiory signed (so that apt doesn't complain about untrusted packages froma n unsigned archive), go directly to reprepro |
| 17:36.27 | nsadmin | that and other things would make it much easier to install grub to the mbr |
| 17:36.35 | [TheFlash] | i just disabled AMD TearFree |
| 17:36.38 | noecc | Debian squeeze, running 2 occurrences of gtkterm to spool .dnc files to 2 bedmills @ ttyS0 and ttyS1. If 1 app is canceled and closed the port cannot be used again w/o a reboot. Would this be an issue with gtkterm or that I am running 2 ? |
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| 17:36.44 | [TheFlash] | and suddenly glxinfo reports |
| 17:36.49 | [TheFlash] | direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:36.59 | stew | bring the tears |
| 17:37.13 | [TheFlash] | maybe my video card doesn't support tearfree |
| 17:37.23 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Linux installers and bootloaders have been built to deal with that situation for as long as I know about. |
| 17:37.39 | [TheFlash] | oops, that didn't last long... |
| 17:37.46 | [TheFlash] | it's disabled again |
| 17:38.34 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Do you have a windows rescue disk? |
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| 17:42.26 | paulera | Hi everybody! I have an issue with old packages, would like to know if someone could help me... |
| 17:42.29 | paulera | I am unsing squeeze and i need to install an old application which uses libgfortran.so.1, and the ldd command says it is missing (not found). |
| 17:42.32 | paulera | I have installed gfortran using apt-get, but the .so.3 was installed, and the app still does not run... |
| 17:42.35 | paulera | Any ideia about how to get this lib? Tks! |
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| 17:43.02 | n-iCe | libgfortran.so.1 |
| 17:43.18 | nsadmin | paulera, got the source? |
| 17:43.22 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions libgfortran |
| 17:43.23 | judd | No package named 'libgfortran' was found in i386. |
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| 17:43.42 | arietis | what's the purpose of lost+found directory? |
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| 17:43.52 | nsadmin | , names libgfortran* |
| 17:43.54 | judd | Search for libgfortran* in squeeze/i386: libgfortran3 4.4.5-8; libgfortran3-dbg 4.4.5-8 |
| 17:43.59 | paulera | nsadmin: do not have the src, only the bins |
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| 17:44.32 | amphi | paulera: you could _try_ making a symlink libgfortran.so.1 pointing to .3 - such hackery has occasionally worked for me in the past |
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| 17:45.12 | paulera | amphi: good idea, gonna try this! |
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| 17:45.14 | Silent | Hey all |
| 17:45.21 | Silent | Kernel 3.2 works like a charm |
| 17:45.24 | amphi | paulera: heh, good luck |
| 17:45.30 | Silent | Although I'm having other issues |
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| 17:45.36 | nsadmin | Silent, cool :) what issues? |
| 17:45.41 | jhutchins_wk | In RH they use -compat packages to provide compatibilty with older libs - don't know what Debian does. |
| 17:45.42 | [TheFlash] | i use 2.6.32 |
| 17:45.49 | Silent | Umm let me pastebin |
| 17:46.02 | nsadmin | debian used to have compat stuff |
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| 17:46.45 | Sidney__ | has Debian changed Ntfs to Ntfs 3g in a recent update? |
| 17:47.09 | valerie | stew, the installation is completed. The problem remains. Do you think adding grub to MBR while there is another OS can cause the problem? |
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| 17:47.48 | paulera | amphi: didi not worked. got an "undefined symbol: _gfortran_set_std" |
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| 17:48.09 | stew | valerie: if your problem is with the VGA mode then certainly not |
| 17:48.14 | Silent | There |
| 17:48.15 | Silent | http://pastebin.com/UD2FbhkJ |
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| 17:48.37 | Silent | "The package automseat should be rebuilt with new debhelper to get trigger support" |
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| 17:49.01 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:49.04 | nsadmin | Silent, want trigger support? |
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| 17:49.39 | Silent | Kinda |
| 17:49.44 | Silent | Would that help me? |
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| 17:49.55 | valerie | I don't really know what the problem is with. Any ideas on what else I can do to get linux working? |
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| 17:50.05 | paulera | judd: sorry, did not understood your suggestion. |
| 17:50.10 | MO_Handes | there's the Pidgin 2.10.4 available at their site (http://pidgin.im) but I have version 2.7.3 installed and when I try `apt-get install pidgin` it says 'you're already the newest version' what's the problem? isn't the repositories up to date?! |
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| 17:50.52 | Silent | What's the problem with my package, anyway? |
| 17:50.56 | themill | dpkg: tell MO_Handes about stable |
| 17:51.53 | themill | Silent: where's this "automseat" package from? |
| 17:51.59 | MO_Handes | themill: in what repository is the last version available? and can I downgrade later if I want?! |
| 17:52.03 | Silent | http://automseat.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:52.11 | nsadmin | I dunno, since I don't know what automseat does |
| 17:52.29 | Silent | AUTOMSEAT(automated multi-terminal configuration utility) is a standard Linux software package that extend the X Window System to support up to 4 (tested only for four but, it should be working for more) fully independent and concurrent workstations using a single computer box. |
| 17:52.32 | themill | MO_Handes: there are no packages for pidgin suitable for squeeze |
| 17:52.39 | amphi_ | paulera: did the symlink work? |
| 17:52.56 | Silent | I wanna do just that |
| 17:53.59 | MO_Handes | themill, what about other packages? for example if I use testing, etc... repositories to update to gnome3 can I fall back to gnome 2 later? |
| 17:54.09 | nsadmin | I'd say try it the way it is, figure out what exactly trigger support does, decide if you want that, try to get the newer debhelper and rebuild if it turns out you do want it |
| 17:54.10 | paulera | amphi_: nope |
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| 17:54.31 | stew | MO_Handes: no, testing doesn't have gnome2, and once you upgrade to testing, you can't go back to stable without a fresh reinstall |
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| 17:55.08 | stew | Silent: what dh compat level do you build your package at? |
| 17:55.17 | paulera_ | amphi_: i trying the following: changed my sources.list to search hardy packages... gonna search libgfortran1 there |
| 17:55.23 | themill | stew: that's a crappy old package from upstream |
| 17:55.27 | Silent | I have no idea. |
| 17:55.52 | themill | Silent: that package looks like a pretty poor package. That said, there aren't really any errors in there -- but you might like to "/msg dpkg missing lsb tags" and fix the init script yourself |
| 17:56.02 | paulera_ | amphi_: still nothing... |
| 17:56.05 | stew | Silent: what is the calculated debhelper dependency version after building the package? |
| 17:57.19 | stew | Silent: trigger support is so that when a bunch of package are being installed at once, actions can be triggered to be run at the end of the whole thing, so, for example, instead of having every single package which installs a manpage cause yet another mandb rebuild, one can be done at the end of the entire transaction |
| 17:57.25 | valerie | Problem: I just installed Linux on laptop with Windows in it. When I start Linux, it goes until "loading, please wait " and few other lines and goes to black screen. |
| 17:57.39 | Silent | Hmm |
| 17:58.00 | stew | Silent: who is the audience of the package you are building? just you? or others too? |
| 17:58.15 | nsadmin | valerie, did the grub install find the windows install? and did you try that? and did it work? |
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| 17:58.29 | n-iCe | hi, anyone with a mac product? iphone ipod ipaD? wondering is there is a way to upgrade ios on those decives using linux |
| 17:58.29 | Silent | For now just me. If I like it, I will set it up for others |
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| 17:58.54 | Silent | So I need to re-write the script? |
| 17:59.02 | stew | Silent: what script? |
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| 17:59.29 | valerie | nsadmin, how do I have grub install find windows install? |
| 17:59.29 | Silent | "insserv: warning: script 'automseat' missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 17:59.43 | Silent | "insserv: warning: script 'K01automseat' missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 17:59.47 | stew | Silent: you have to at least add a LSB header to it |
| 17:59.49 | nsadmin | valerie, it should have found it automatically |
| 18:00.09 | Silent | I see |
| 18:00.14 | Silent | Well I'll read about it |
| 18:00.20 | valerie | nsadmin, then it didn't happen |
| 18:00.30 | stew | Silent: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 18:00.35 | nsadmin | ugh... could you make sure by trying to boot again? |
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| 18:01.08 | Silent | Yeah I saw that |
| 18:01.14 | stew | valerie: you tried vga=normal after getting rid of the other vga= parameter? |
| 18:01.38 | valerie | stew,yes |
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| 18:02.09 | stew | quite odd |
| 18:02.18 | stew | valerie: can you try vga=ask? |
| 18:03.07 | valerie | stew, do I have then to go through the whole installation again? |
| 18:03.11 | stew | valerie: no |
| 18:03.15 | stew | did you last time? |
| 18:03.26 | nsadmin | valerie, sorry this is happening to you... I know it must not be the greatest experience in the world... |
| 18:04.09 | Spydemon | Hey everybody ;-) My microphone doesn't work on Debian. I went two years on Arch and I didn't have any problem
Everything is fine in alsamixer. Do someone have an idea about what my problem could be? |
| 18:04.25 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Like I said, once you've rebooted to the installation itself, run update-grub and it should find it. |
| 18:05.13 | stew | he should probably get it to the point where he can actually see what he types before worrying about getting more OSes into his boot menu |
| 18:05.14 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Which is obviously difficult if you can't boot all the way... |
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| 18:05.30 | jhutchins_wk | Do you get the grub menu? |
| 18:05.32 | stew | he can boot all the way, just not see anything on the monitor when it boots |
| 18:05.46 | stew | he is editing the linux command line in grub |
| 18:06.36 | jhutchins_wk | stew: How about booting to single-user? |
| 18:06.59 | stew | jhutchins_wk: i don't think he has tried, might be worth a try |
| 18:07.35 | stew | jhutchins_wk: though he doesn't see ANYTHING after loading linux... or whatever (afaik), so i don't think its a problem with the console-setup init script or anything |
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| 18:07.48 | stew | unless perhaps the single user mode skips framebuffer tty |
| 18:07.57 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: If you add the word single after the default kernel paramater you may be able to boot to a console. |
| 18:08.13 | nsadmin | Spydemon, get the alsa-info script from http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug |
| 18:08.47 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, do you mean I need to reboot from internal CD? |
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| 18:09.18 | nsadmin | valerie, I think he means from your hd |
| 18:09.23 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: No, you just need to reboot to the grub menu and hit "e". |
| 18:09.35 | jhutchins_wk | !nofb |
| 18:09.36 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition (search linux16) |
| 18:09.45 | jhutchins_wk | You could try those options as well. |
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| 18:11.23 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, grub menu is that screen where you can choose the operating system to boot? |
| 18:11.56 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Right. |
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| 18:13.03 | nsadmin | valerie, you'll only have about 3 seconds from when you see it to hit e |
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| 18:13.53 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: You can also try adding noapic |
| 18:14.02 | jhutchins_wk | Didn't there use to be a noacpi as well? |
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| 18:14.55 | stew | acpi=off |
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| 18:15.48 | stew | though I don't think either would help |
| 18:15.53 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Those options sometimes help on laptops where the BIOS doesn't fully comply with standards. |
| 18:16.00 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, where do I add noapic, after the line "initrd /boot/initrd.img_3.2.0-2-amd64" ? |
| 18:16.27 | jelly-home | valerie: append it in the vmlinuz line |
| 18:16.29 | nsadmin | on the linux line |
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| 18:17.01 | Spydemon | nsadmin, http://paste.org/49974 |
| 18:17.10 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Look for a line like linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-17-generic root=UUID=55ae5832-2830-4981-bc80-1bc035f6576d ro recovery nomodeset |
| 18:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | (Sorry, that's not from a Debian machine). |
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| 18:18.29 | jhutchins_wk | That's recovery mode, the main one is probably more like inux /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-17-generic root=UUID=55ae5832-2830-4981-bc80-1bc035f6576d ro quiet splash |
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| 18:19.58 | nsadmin | Spydemon, could you also crosspost that url to #alsa? that's where I go the url with the test script |
| 18:20.20 | jhutchins_wk | So at least in this non-Debian distro, choosing recovery mode from the grub menu does disable modeset/framebuffer. |
| 18:20.52 | valerie | jhutchins, I added noapic to the vmlinuz line and again have black screen. Before it went black I could read "BIOS bug" |
| 18:21.08 | Spydemon | nsadmin, Ok, it can be a good idea, it's true :p |
| 18:21.26 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Isn't that nice? how about both nomodeset and npapic? |
| 18:21.43 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: It might be worth your time to track down a BIOS update for your machine. |
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| 18:22.10 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: A lot of them post an updated bios not too long after the hardware hits the users. |
| 18:24.10 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Since the installer was able to run in graphical mode, we know you can get at least basic vesa graphics working, it's just a question of how. |
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| 18:35.04 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, I tried to add all the words you suggested, no luck |
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| 18:35.45 | nsadmin | valerie, when you ran the installer, everything did show up on the screen? |
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| 18:37.59 | valerie | nsadmin, when I was installing from CD, everything went fine except a message at the beginning of installation which said "missing firmware files brcm" |
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| 18:39.39 | nsadmin | sounds like some sort of broadcom device... in any case, that shows it's possible to get the display on the laptop |
| 18:40.22 | dvs | valerie: GRUB works now? |
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| 18:41.32 | valerie | dvs, I get the initial screen GNU GRUB and that's about it |
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| 18:41.40 | dvs | ok |
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| 18:46.54 | valerie | anything else I can do from the setparams editing screen? |
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| 18:48.58 | valerie | or from grub prompt? |
| 18:50.58 | nsadmin | can you say more about what happens right after you start booting off the (possibly edited) grub text? one helpful thing, is do you see the initrd load and hte kernel load? what's the last thing you see? |
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| 18:52.13 | nsadmin | I know you may have done this in annoying detail, and I want to make sure I catch it all as much as possible |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | dvs: did you have valerie try disabling kms? what video card is in the box? |
| 18:53.25 | dvs | abrotman: stew was working with valerie most of the time recently so I'm not sure. |
| 18:53.32 | stew | i don't know what kms is |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | !kms |
| 18:53.49 | stew | the only thing i've had him try with is vga=normal which didn't seem to work |
| 18:53.50 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 18:54.00 | abrotman | the nomodeset thing is probably the most relevant |
| 18:54.17 | jhutchins_wk | nomodeset or video=vga16:off |
| 18:54.19 | abrotman | and i thought it was like vga16:off now |
| 18:54.24 | valerie | nsadmin, when I hit e during booting, the last line on the screen is initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2..0-2-amd64 |
| 18:54.39 | jhutchins_wk | used to be vga=<mode> |
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| 18:55.03 | stew | oh, oops |
| 18:55.11 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: That's not where you modify it. |
| 18:55.23 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: Try the line above, should congain vmlinuz |
| 18:55.48 | jhutchins_wk | contain that is. |
| 18:55.57 | stew | i believe he starts with vga=788 in the line before he edits |
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| 18:56.12 | stew | which is 800x600 16 color |
| 18:56.16 | valerie | jhutchins, when I did modifications I did write it after vmlinuz line |
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| 18:57.02 | stew | valerie: get rid of "vga=788" and add "nomodeset" |
| 18:57.04 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, just append it to that line... |
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| 18:57.43 | jhutchins_wk | stew: vga= vs. video= (the latter from dpkg). |
| 18:57.55 | stew | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean? |
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| 18:58.52 | valerie | stew, nomodeset didn't help |
| 18:58.55 | jhutchins_wk | stew: Which is correct, or are both? |
| 18:58.57 | stew | i thought that he told me that vga=788 was already there |
| 18:59.21 | stew | valerie: can you tell us what the actual kernel command line is? |
| 18:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: We're trying to figure out the correct format for the options is. Seems like it's been changing from kernel to kernel lately. |
| 18:59.58 | stew | jhutchins_wk: I don't know what is correct, it's been too long for me, my only intention is that if he has a video related parameter there already he should ditch it for nomodeset |
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| 19:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | stew: Agreed. |
| 19:00.58 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: We know you can't cut and paste it, but it would help us if you typed out the current line. |
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| 19:01.02 | nsadmin | valerie, after you finish editing and you hit b to boot, do you see where the kernel loads and the initrd loads? what is the text you see before the bios bug thing right before the display goes away? |
| 19:01.30 | stew | and note the the fact that anything booting is us guessing that he is accurrately assessing when he says something along the lines that "the hard disk keeps working away until I hear that sound that it makes when it is prompting me to login" |
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| 19:02.48 | Silent | Hello |
| 19:03.03 | Silent | Guys, please take a look at this. http://wpkg.org/Configuring_multiseat_X_workstation |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | and do what with it? |
| 19:03.36 | Silent | Do I need 2 video cards for 2 stations, or can I create 2 stations with 1 video cards and 2 outputs? |
| 19:04.03 | Silent | I'm trying to configure a multiseat PC. |
| 19:04.08 | valerie | stew, vga =788 was there when I was installing from CD . the line is : linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-2-amd64 root=UUID=a number ro quiet Is this the kernel command line? |
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| 19:04.51 | nsadmin | yes, it is |
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| 19:05.09 | stew | Silent: I would guess that 1 card would work, as each output would have its own Device section |
| 19:05.10 | gohkesh | nsadmin: no, it is not |
| 19:05.29 | stew | valerie: yes, it is |
| 19:05.31 | Silent | Well I'm able to work on 2 monitors |
| 19:05.47 | Silent | It sees each seperately |
| 19:05.54 | gohkesh | Valerie: no it is not |
| 19:05.56 | Silent | It's just only 1 of them is recognized |
| 19:06.00 | nsadmin | notice when gohkesh joined |
| 19:06.02 | valerie | nsadmin, ... fully populated |
| 19:06.09 | Silent | One is called "unknown" but still works. |
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| 19:06.10 | stew | gohkesh: are you just here to troll? or do you have anything constructive to add? |
| 19:06.16 | nsadmin | the /dev dir |
| 19:06.17 | davidgul | hi guys |
| 19:06.26 | davidgul | i have doual monitor |
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| 19:06.31 | Silent | :P |
| 19:06.36 | Silent | David shhhh |
| 19:06.39 | gohkesh | stew: only troll |
| 19:06.42 | Silent | Go make me some coffee |
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| 19:06.46 | davidgul | and i wont to control each monitor with difrent mouse and kybord |
| 19:06.52 | davidgul | is it posibol ?? |
| 19:06.55 | stew | gohkesh: PM me if you change your mind |
| 19:07.06 | Silent | davidgul Coffee. Now. |
| 19:07.06 | nsadmin | at least he was honest |
| 19:07.19 | dvs | heh |
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| 19:08.46 | stew | Silent: I belive that having the monitors configured on different screens is important. and I do not mean physical screens, but the X concept of a partition of clients, like one monitor will be on :0.0 and the other on :0.1 |
| 19:08.52 | jhutchins_wk | valerie: You know, you could try vga=788 - it might work. |
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| 19:09.27 | Silent | How do I check what X thinks about my monitors? |
| 19:09.34 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, on the kernel command line? |
| 19:09.43 | stew | Silent: xrandr |
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| 19:10.02 | Silent | Hold on please |
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| 19:10.45 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, notice the display goes south right after /dev is populated; that might be the time when things like framebuffer modules are loaded |
| 19:11.03 | Silent | Well I have VGA1 and HDMI1 |
| 19:11.22 | stew | Silent: are they on different screens? or both listed under Screen0 ? |
| 19:11.47 | stew | Silent: in order to be similar to this config, one would be listed under Screen 0 and the other under Screen 1 |
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| 19:12.22 | valerie | jhutchins_wk, it doesn't work |
| 19:12.41 | stew | hmm, i wonder if you can move an output from one screen to another with xrandr |
| 19:12.43 | Silent | Both are Screen 0 |
| 19:12.48 | Silent | Nope |
| 19:12.52 | stew | probably not |
| 19:12.57 | stew | tries |
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| 19:13.26 | Silent | <.< |
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| 19:13.45 | Silent | Nope an in no, there is no Screen 1. Both are screen 0. |
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| 19:13.51 | stew | nope, "Invalid screen number 1 (display has 1)" |
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| 19:14.18 | davidgul | http://pastebin.com/ezYLQHa2 |
| 19:14.19 | stew | Silent: do you currently have an xorg.conf? |
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| 19:15.14 | Silent | I do not |
| 19:15.26 | Silent | davidgul just pasted the output we had |
| 19:15.35 | stew | Silent: i do believe you will need one so that you can convigure the second ServerLayout |
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| 19:15.55 | stew | Silent: "X -configure" should be able to generate a starting point |
| 19:16.15 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: At this pont you probably need to start scouring the web for people with your specific hardware. Go for the video chipset as well as the laptop with exact model info. |
| 19:16.24 | nsadmin | should end up in the home dir of the user you run X -configure as |
| 19:16.27 | stew | tabfail |
| 19:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Ah, valerie gave up. |
| 19:16.31 | samantha-e- | looking for a suggestion: need a torrent downloader that can read an rss feed, drop files into an arbitrary directory, will remember the last file downloaded so there are no dupes, and either runs console or runs as a cron job. anyone? |
| 19:16.39 | Silent | I see |
| 19:16.40 | Silent | Thanks |
| 19:16.43 | Silent | stew |
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| 19:18.02 | Silent | brb |
| 19:18.16 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: How about bittorrent? |
| 19:18.27 | jhutchins_wk | Dunno about the rss integration. |
| 19:18.41 | samantha-e- | jhutchins_wk: what i need is the rss automation. i'm using rtorrent, and i want to dump torrents into a watch directory. |
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| 19:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: This list unfortunately doesn't break out by OS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_clients#Features_II |
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| 19:22.51 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: looks like ktorrent would do it. |
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| 19:24.01 | samantha-e- | jhutchins_wk: part of my issue is that i'm limited by tracker rules to certain approved client versions. unapproved clients can get me kicked off the tracker, which is a suboptimal outcome. thus, just a plain RSS reader that can operate on a cron job is really what i'm looking for. |
| 19:24.18 | jhutchins_wk | transmission |
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| 19:25.01 | nsadmin | samantha-e-, perhaps it would be helpful to provide the list of approved clients |
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| 19:28.53 | jhutchins_wk | I can't imagine ktorrent isn't approved. |
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| 19:30.56 | jhutchins_wk | There doesn't seem to be a lot of support for this in Linux yet, but I'd check the mythtv forums and see what they're doing. It wouldn't be very hard to script it. |
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| 19:31.41 | samantha-e- | http://paste.debian.net/172420/ ktorrent is approved, but it's kde-only. this is on a remote seedbox that doesn't run kde for crap. that's why i chose rtorrent -- it's simple and small and runs well given the environment. |
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| 19:32.56 | Kobaz | so my dhcp server stopped working yesterday. the weird thing is i tcpdump for bootps and bootpc and i don't see any dhcp traffic on my router box. Yet I can tcpdump any other box on the network and see the dhcp traffic |
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| 19:33.19 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: I would say look into some simple scripting then. |
| 19:33.26 | Kobaz | So why would all of a suddon the kernel stop passing dhcp traffic to userspace? |
| 19:33.56 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: What makes you think that has happened? |
| 19:34.27 | Kobaz | jhutchins: because every single other box can sniff the dhcp traffic except for this one |
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| 19:34.39 | Kobaz | so i'm figuring it's a local software issue |
| 19:34.47 | stew | Kobaz: reboot the switch? |
| 19:34.48 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: wget or curl for the rss feed, or there's probably already a console rss app. |
| 19:35.04 | jhutchins_wk | Kobaz: Card not listening to broadcast address? |
| 19:35.54 | Kobaz | network settings haven't changed... but the eth definitely has a proper broadcast address |
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| 19:36.23 | Kobaz | stew: i was thinking that too, but why would an unmanaged switch decide to randomly passing a very specific type of packet |
| 19:36.40 | stew | Kobaz: i dunno, my cheap residential switches do this from time to time |
| 19:36.44 | Kobaz | er, decide to randomly stop passing.. |
| 19:36.48 | Kobaz | oh weird |
| 19:37.07 | Kobaz | i have a managed gigabit up here but the main switch is this dinky little thing |
| 19:37.39 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: This looks like EXACTLY what you're looking for: http://tvtrss.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:38.50 | Kobaz | the weird thing is i can netcat to port 67/68 and i see the packets |
| 19:39.00 | Kobaz | oh |
| 19:39.01 | Kobaz | haha |
| 19:39.16 | Kobaz | stew: i power cycled the switch and the wireless ap and now it's working |
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| 19:40.58 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: Your google fu is weak - there's an rss plugin for rtorrent. |
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| 19:42.22 | jhutchins_wk | samantha-e-: Thanks for asking about it though, I'll probably end up using it myself. |
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| 20:15.38 | samantha-e- | is there a log somewhere (that i can turn on, if necessary) that will show me that my user-based cron jobs are actually running? |
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| 20:20.49 | GNU\colossus | samantha-e-, cron logs to the "cron" syslog facility. check your syslog daemon's config for where that goes to. |
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| 20:27.41 | prsn | How can I tell what a dpkg -i <somefile>.deb did? I don't know the name of the command that runs the program I just installed... |
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| 20:28.44 | prsn | dpkg -l shows me the name of the package, but that isn't it |
| 20:28.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows me the name of the package, but that isn't it |
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| 20:30.54 | stew | prsn: "dpkg -L packagename" lists the installed files |
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| 20:31.30 | stew | prsn: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{pre,post}{inst,remove} are scripts that were run during the installation |
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| 20:32.07 | stew | err s/remove/rm/ |
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| 20:36.05 | antgel | hi people. have an old htpc (mythtv) that i'm reviving. had to replace the motherboard. kernel 2.6-2-686 hangs with "waiting for root filesystem". ls /dev/sd* shows nothing (it should be sda1). any clues? |
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| 20:36.49 | antgel | mobo is http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?model=n68c-s%20ucc, with nvidia chipset, thought these were well-supported even in older kernels |
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| 20:37.59 | dvs | antgel: that's the new motherboard? |
| 20:38.23 | antgel | dvs: yep. needed something backward compatible with my sempron and ddr2 |
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| 20:38.59 | antgel | on boot, i get a message about the hard disk not responding, then it sets sata to 1.5gbps and gets on with it. i can reboot and get the message if it's useful |
| 20:39.11 | tharkun | Gentlemen I've been idiotic enough to loose the red book of a not so often used server. How can I regain root access. It is a vps on some datacenter and i have no phisical access to it |
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| 20:39.20 | antgel | but if there was a probelm i don't understand how the kernel even loads |
| 20:39.41 | ompaul | tharkun: ring the nice people in the data center and ask them to compromise it :) |
| 20:39.56 | ompaul | I offer you low odds of that without some song and dance |
| 20:40.20 | dvs | antgel: I'd get a live CD boot and look at the device names |
| 20:40.47 | tharkun | ompaul: :) Do you think that I should offer them cookies and coffee so i can get it done faster ;P |
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| 20:41.11 | antgel | dvs: okay, i have a live usb around here somewhere. i'm just confused, the kernel is relatively old but so is the board |
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| 20:41.46 | dvs | antgel: That would be my second suggestion ;-) |
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| 20:44.38 | Iridos | tharkun, go to the webby site of the provider and look if that lets you boot into a rescue system? That's what I saw a provider do... then can mount your usually root filesystem and set password to whatever you like |
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| 20:46.02 | tharkun | Iridos: I'm at the phone with a nice pragmatic girl. She is asking me some questions. I'm having quite some fun :) |
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| 20:47.18 | stew | antgel: wait, if it doesn't boot, how are you running ls? |
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| 20:51.05 | tharkun | ompaul, Iridos: Thanks 2 questions where asked 1.- Is your server broke in any way you can identify? 2.- Do you have a true and tested backup of data and configs? I had the correct answers so i get to generate a new image and replace it over the weekend :) Although i will see if they have a working rescue image to boot from there |
| 20:51.07 | antgel | stew: hi! i get grub, i get the kernel loading, the kernel reports some stuff about "link is slow to respond please be patient (ready=0) COMRESET ... giving up", then it waits for root file system. either it's a kernel issue or my HD is failing (but it loads grub and kernel!) |
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| 20:52.50 | stew | antgel: but how do you run ls? |
| 20:52.53 | stew | antgel: HI |
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| 20:53.37 | antgel | stew: kernel then drops me in initramfs shell with some commands |
| 20:53.48 | stew | antgel: so probably the root= parameter is wrong. if you can get somewhere to label the root filesystem or to determine its uuid you can switch to root=LABEL=yourlabel or root=UUID=whatever |
| 20:53.51 | macthezazou | Hello, I need help... I have a minecraft server on my debien 6.0 and I have some erros with the "?"... But i don't have this errors in my windows server... Can you help me |
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| 20:54.05 | macthezazou | pasteBIn errors: |
| 20:54.06 | macthezazou | http://pastebin.com/V2PzKDnT |
| 20:54.20 | stew | antgel: perhaps the needed scsi/sata/ide/whatever driver isn't in the initramfs |
| 20:54.28 | antgel | it would appear that the ubuntu 2.6.32 kernel works fine. i'm going to chroot in and upgrade the kernel |
| 20:54.49 | stew | antgel: rebuilding the initramfs might be all you need |
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| 20:54.55 | antgel | stew: it's not root=, see my comment three mins ago - there are sata errors |
| 20:55.11 | antgel | stew: quicker to install a newer kernel |
| 20:59.28 | antgel | hmm, this is lenny, wonder if i can go direct to wheezy ;) |
| 20:59.40 | dvs | ha! |
| 21:00.33 | antgel | dvs: it wouldn't be the craziest thing i've ever done with debian ;) |
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| 21:00.58 | antgel | it's nice to see that even though this is a bit annoying, the basics haven't changed. don't remember last time i chrooted from a live usb |
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| 21:05.04 | macthezazou | Hello, I need help... I have a minecraft server on my debien 6.0 and I have some erros with the "?"... But i don't have this errors in my windows server... Can you help me |
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| 21:06.16 | nkuttler | macthezazou: minecraft is not in debian. "?"? |
| 21:06.26 | macthezazou | ? |
| 21:06.35 | macthezazou | A minecraft server |
| 21:06.48 | nkuttler | macthezazou: minecraft is not in debian. talk to minecraft support |
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| 21:06.58 | nkuttler | macthezazou: or define "?" |
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| 21:07.16 | macthezazou | I have a config file |
| 21:07.27 | macthezazou | And in the file config, there is some ? |
| 21:07.30 | macthezazou | "?" |
| 21:07.41 | nkuttler | macthezazou: ask minecraft support |
| 21:07.47 | macthezazou | In my locl windows server th'ats not make any errors |
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| 21:07.50 | macthezazou | local* |
| 21:07.56 | nkuttler | macthezazou: oh wait.. you could be using a broken editor? which one are you using |
| 21:08.07 | macthezazou | I use notepadd++ |
| 21:08.21 | nkuttler | on debian? |
| 21:08.25 | macthezazou | No |
| 21:08.56 | nkuttler | macthezazou: so you're running a non-debian program and try to configure on a non-debian system... why are you in #debian? |
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| 21:09.15 | macthezazou | I have a debian server |
| 21:09.46 | macthezazou | And this debian server don't recognise the "'" |
| 21:09.49 | macthezazou | "'?"" |
| 21:10.02 | macthezazou | But my windows local server work fine |
| 21:10.11 | macthezazou | It's a debian probleme |
| 21:10.17 | macthezazou | Not a minecraft probleme |
| 21:10.25 | nkuttler | macthezazou: ssh into your server and use an editor like nano if you want help |
| 21:10.37 | macthezazou | Okay |
| 21:10.57 | macthezazou | And I make the *?* with nano? |
| 21:11.03 | nkuttler | what? |
| 21:11.19 | antgel | looks like lenny -> wheezy is going to go pretty well, there will be a few bits to tidy up but overall a win |
| 21:11.27 | macthezazou | I must remake all the *?* with nano? |
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| 21:11.35 | nkuttler | macthezazou: no idea what that means.. |
| 21:11.43 | macthezazou | ah |
| 21:11.46 | macthezazou | ... |
| 21:11.49 | dvs | antgel: And it boots ok? |
| 21:12.12 | macthezazou | I will test to make my config with nano... |
| 21:12.32 | macthezazou | The ? on windows is not a ? in debian? |
| 21:12.38 | antgel | dvs: i reckon it will with the new kernel. have about 10 mins to download 1GB of wheezy packages, then install. has kernel 3.2 so i'm hopeful |
| 21:12.51 | antgel | now to update my 3-year-old mythtv svn tree ;) |
| 21:13.05 | antgel | kills a mosquito --> win |
| 21:13.10 | dvs | antgel: You should install the kernel and udev first before downloading everything else. |
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| 21:13.31 | antgel | dvs: why, some change in device ids etc? |
| 21:13.58 | dvs | antgel: Yes, you need to have the new kernel running before installing the new packages. |
| 21:14.07 | antgel | dvs: or what? |
| 21:14.33 | dvs | antgel: You won't be able to install the new packages. |
| 21:14.45 | antgel | dvs: why not? |
| 21:15.06 | dvs | antgel: Because of the changes in udev |
| 21:15.12 | antgel | okay, thanks |
| 21:15.17 | dvs | np |
| 21:17.45 | antgel | i'm also going to remove gnome from this box. it's only really used for mythtv / mame - xfce will do |
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| 21:28.21 | dvs | multi BOOT! |
| 21:28.56 | kbar | rofl |
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| 21:29.18 | macthezazou | nkuttler is there an utf-8 package for debian? |
| 21:29.25 | dondelelcaro | macthezazou: Debian is by default utf8 |
| 21:29.44 | macthezazou | Yes but there is some errors with é and è and à |
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| 21:29.55 | dondelelcaro | macthezazou: though not every fontset has all of the utf8 characters; what's the error with them? |
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| 21:30.26 | macthezazou | org.bukkit.configuration.InvalidConfigurationException: unacceptable character '?' (0xFFFD) special characters are not allowed |
| 21:30.50 | macthezazou | The ? is a é |
| 21:31.05 | dondelelcaro | I don't know what org.bukkit is. |
| 21:31.19 | macthezazou | It's not a problem ^^ |
| 21:31.36 | macthezazou | Debian don't recognise the é |
| 21:31.54 | macthezazou | or it's the java of debian... |
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| 21:32.11 | macthezazou | When i writte é i see "?" |
| 21:32.37 | macthezazou | But th'ats don't make that's if i run my server in windows |
| 21:32.42 | dondelelcaro | macthezazou: where are you writing it into? what java program is that? what does locale; output? |
| 21:32.58 | macthezazou | It's a minecraft server |
| 21:33.42 | dondelelcaro | macthezazou: anyway, just guessing, you probably don't have LANG set to a UTF-8 locale, so by default things are in C or iso8859-1 encoding |
| 21:33.57 | dondelelcaro | macthezazou: but with regards to what java is doing, that's dependant on the program you're running |
| 21:34.10 | macthezazou | What i must to do? |
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| 21:35.10 | dondelelcaro | macthezazou: what does locale; output? what are you writing é into? |
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| 21:35.42 | macthezazou | In the chat of the game ^^ |
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| 21:36.51 | macthezazou | When i writte é in the chat |
| 21:36.55 | macthezazou | i see ? |
| 21:36.59 | macthezazou | in the console |
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| 21:37.46 | nkuttler | macthezazou: you should really talk to minecraft support. this sounds like a faq issue |
| 21:38.03 | macthezazou | But it's not a minecraft problem... |
| 21:38.14 | nkuttler | macthezazou: yet it happens when you use minecraft |
| 21:38.34 | nkuttler | anyway.. have fun |
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| 21:42.03 | oznt | hi everyone, does someone here has experience with github personal pages? |
| 21:42.13 | dondelelcaro | oznt: that's not really on topic here. |
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| 21:42.52 | ska | IS LMDE a good HTPC distro? |
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| 21:44.59 | dondelelcaro | ska: LMDE isn't Debian, so it's not on topic here. We think Debian is a good distribution for everything, if that helps any... |
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| 21:47.39 | Rodrigo_ | can someone help me on a little problem isntalling debian |
| 21:47.50 | Rodrigo_ | installing* |
| 21:48.09 | dvs | !ask |
| 21:48.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:48.32 | Rodrigo_ | !ask |
| 21:48.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:48.45 | Rodrigo_ | ha |
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| 21:48.59 | Rodrigo_ | I have a problem while installing Debian 6.0.5 DVD |
| 21:49.07 | Rodrigo_ | this is the first time i use debian |
| 21:49.14 | Rodrigo_ | first i tried to install using graphical installlation |
| 21:49.22 | Rodrigo_ | it said it was a package missing |
| 21:49.27 | Rodrigo_ | then i tried text mdoe and worked fine |
| 21:49.41 | Rodrigo_ | except when it boot alli cons were |
| 21:49.43 | Rodrigo_ | icons{ |
| 21:49.46 | Rodrigo_ | were weird |
| 21:49.53 | Rodrigo_ | for example they had a big X like they were missing |
| 21:50.03 | Rodrigo_ | so i tryed to open the browser and some other stuff |
| 21:50.09 | Rodrigo_ | and allways an error |
| 21:50.25 | Rodrigo_ | i dont think it was a dvd burn failure because i burnt x8 and i did a md5sum check |
| 21:50.51 | Rodrigo_ | someone knows what is going on_ |
| 21:51.15 | Rodrigo_ | ? |
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| 21:56.24 | Rodrigo_ | anyone ther_ |
| 21:56.26 | Rodrigo_ | ? |
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| 21:59.17 | vvcoder | how can i use different font to how english and chinese? |
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| 22:01.35 | nkuttler | vvcoder: i think tools like mlterm can do that.. you might have more luck asking in the chinese channel though |
| 22:01.39 | nkuttler | !zh |
| 22:01.40 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
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| 22:02.07 | vvcoder | nkuttler: thanks |
| 22:02.12 | vvcoder | joar: debian-zh |
| 22:02.35 | nkuttler | vvcoder: #debian-zh on the oftc irc network |
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| 22:05.14 | babilen | vvcoder: urxvt works fine with chinese fonts -- See, for example, http://paste.debian.net/172454/ for a suitable ~/.Xresources that uses the wonderful ttf-wqy-zenhei font for Chinese characters. |
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| 22:06.07 | vvcoder | babilen: ok |
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| 22:06.15 | vvcoder | babilen: thanks |
| 22:06.22 | vvcoder | nkuttler: let me try |
| 22:06.24 | nkuttler | oh that's all you wanted :) |
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| 22:12.56 | matlock | so debian squeeze, right clicks sometimes automatically select the top option then close |
| 22:13.03 | matlock | happens a LOT |
| 22:13.12 | matlock | anyone else experience this? |
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| 22:15.55 | jagginess | sounds like there's a left clicking going on (probably an evdev bug with an exotic mouse) |
| 22:16.06 | jagginess | matlock, g500 by any chance? |
| 22:16.19 | matlock | logitech nano |
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| 22:16.50 | matlock | v450 |
| 22:17.04 | jagginess | matlock, the way i fixed by g500 is to set a 'default' profile and burn it under a windows platform.. (though there's a package under linux with 'experimental' features, i didn't want to take the risk) |
| 22:18.01 | matlock | i don't understand |
| 22:18.30 | matlock | you mean with the logitech app? |
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| 22:19.55 | jagginess | matlock, ya.. setpoint i think.. (u can probably use vmware or virtual box to connect to a 'usb' physical, if you don't have windows natively) |
| 22:20.22 | SNow | guys, i have some serious problem |
| 22:20.28 | matlock | then how do i transfer that to debian? |
| 22:20.29 | jagginess | !ask |
| 22:20.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:20.32 | SNow | EXT4-fs warning (device md2): ext4_dx_add_entry:1548: Directory index full! |
| 22:20.39 | SNow | What can i do? |
| 22:20.41 | jagginess | matlock, you dont.. |
| 22:20.43 | SNow | nginx + apache + mysql |
| 22:20.56 | SNow | img hosting website |
| 22:21.07 | jagginess | matlock, you may have (or it may automatically), "burn" your dpi defaults into the "mouse".. |
| 22:21.15 | matlock | heh |
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| 22:21.27 | matlock | i don't thnk my mouse is that intelligent |
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| 22:23.18 | jagginess | matlock, i checked the download for that mouse, it uses setpoint. Give it a shot. |
| 22:23.21 | jagginess | good luck |
| 22:25.01 | jagginess | matlock, you use mswindows only to "burn". after that you shutdown windows, and can have that mouse replugged into a linux system. (as I said this works across two mice i use-- a G500 and a g9x) |
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| 22:25.25 | inthl | assuming I destroyed a partition table and have a backup of the partition table created with gdisk --backup |
| 22:25.53 | inthl | when I restore it, using gdisk, then using 'r' and 'l' to load the table again |
| 22:26.09 | jagginess | SNow, ya that is a serious problem.. |
| 22:26.10 | inthl | can I assume to have access to the data again or would this erase all the data on the hard disk? |
| 22:26.40 | jagginess | SNow, i don't know if you can increase an inode count for ext4, but probably you can.. (see if you can with tune2fs or a similar tool for ext4) |
| 22:27.31 | teratorn | inthl: it should only be dealing with the partition table, so your data should be OK, assuming you haven't changed the partitioning scheme |
| 22:27.45 | matlock | no see it happens with my built in mouse too |
| 22:27.48 | matlock | the touch pad one |
| 22:28.02 | eoliva | does anybody knows if there is an implementation of TAR using threads? or parallel? |
| 22:28.11 | jagginess | inthl, it would be safer to use testdisk to scan "magic numbers" to have it remake the partition table for you.. (if you have an "exact" partition table backup that would be better -- but make sure you don't "recover" partitions, but only the partition table itself) |
| 22:28.44 | jagginess | inthl, ( i mean safer as you don't mess around with the actual content on the partitions, but only the "partition table" ) |
| 22:28.50 | SNow | jagginess: inode is not full |
| 22:29.08 | SNow | I have a folder with 54k of files, that's it, inode is 54% used |
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| 22:29.46 | SNow | jagginess: 56% used |
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| 22:30.37 | jagginess | SNow, you looked into "tune2fs -O dir_index" ? |
| 22:31.23 | jagginess | (df -i , i think may show inode related info ) |
| 22:32.19 | jagginess | SNow, there's a solution here (according to one post)(3rd to last- he used tune2fs, but i think it was ext3) |
| 22:32.24 | jagginess | SNow, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/ext3_dx_add_entry-directory-index-full-719297/ |
| 22:32.31 | SNow | jagginess: dir_index doesnt work, replies with help, df -i replies iwth 56% of used inodes |
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| 22:33.19 | cads | I've got a debian squeeze laptop running gnome, and I'd like to share its wireless connection to a desktop PC wired to the laptop through ethernet |
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| 22:33.33 | SNow | jagginess: http://p.defau.lt/?lSd9s3AnWAPb7WwSPKc4Tg |
| 22:33.51 | cads | I'm currently able to share NFS mounts between the computers |
| 22:34.07 | cads | but the masquerading guides I've found have been a bit confusing |
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| 22:34.27 | cads | I'd like to do it using the network manager applet if possible |
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| 22:34.54 | cads | can anyone suggest a guide or lemme know if I'm barking up the wrong tree? |
| 22:34.58 | SNow | jagginess: talking about tune2fs -f ? |
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| 22:35.35 | jagginess | SNow, did you try removing the journal, then re-apply a journal? (that's what is mentioned, but that url talks about ext3, i don't know if ext4 can apply) |
| 22:36.18 | babilen | SNow: fwiw (without looking further into this) tune2fs requires the device as last argument |
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| 22:37.20 | SNow | jagginess: not sure how to do that... |
| 22:37.26 | SNow | babilen: thanks |
| 22:37.56 | SNow | babilen: http://p.defau.lt/?pAguu_riUqpD_49R_50u_w |
| 22:37.59 | jagginess | SNow, try fsck first of course.. |
| 22:38.07 | jagginess | (which i'm sure you probably already did) |
| 22:38.09 | SNow | jagginess: i don't have remote kvm.. |
| 22:38.21 | SNow | and / is /dev/md2 ... |
| 22:38.22 | SNow | ... |
| 22:38.56 | jagginess | oh.. that then.. um.. i wouldn't know.. but if you got a power outage i'd blame the host provider |
| 22:39.19 | jagginess | that is a tricky situation.. |
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| 22:39.25 | SNow | jagginess: could I do fsck on mounted? |
| 22:39.55 | jagginess | i dunno, if the array has to be check or something.. you seeing good output with---> cat /proc/mdstat ? |
| 22:40.10 | SNow | yeah, all good |
| 22:40.17 | SNow | UU |
| 22:40.31 | jagginess | i think you can do a re-mount ro" |
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| 22:40.44 | jagginess | then try fsck.. |
| 22:41.13 | SNow | jagginess: i'll boot a rescue cd, i can do that |
| 22:41.26 | SNow | but what should i check? if the md drivers are not up? sda or sdb ? |
| 22:41.30 | jagginess | (i'd try it at the lowest level possible with network access if possible).. |
| 22:41.39 | jagginess | SNow, thought you said you have no remote kvm |
| 22:42.09 | Quantum | I am trying to compile a custom kernel (Debian way), but it panics on boot. |
| 22:42.16 | jagginess | SNow, i believe md gets re-assembled automatically with the cd-installer |
| 22:42.18 | SNow | jagginess: rescue cd is no remote kvm :) I can boot from rescue... |
| 22:42.20 | Quantum | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) |
| 22:42.27 | SNow | jagginess: oh really, then it's cool.. |
| 22:42.54 | Quantum | I thought it was because my root fs is jfs, so I compiled JFS into the kernel. Same problem. |
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| 22:43.16 | jagginess | Quantum, sounds like there's a filesystem as root it doesnt understand |
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| 22:43.51 | Quantum | Y, but I have ext2 & 3 (/boot) and JFS (/) compiled in. |
| 22:44.51 | SNow | jagginess: http://p.defau.lt/?D86m_qUgFZnecdSiM29ShA |
| 22:44.54 | mjt | much more likely missing controller driver |
| 22:46.12 | Quantum | Yikes. Haven't changed those modules. Mainly only changed preemption. |
| 22:46.30 | mjt | changed from what? |
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| 22:46.44 | mjt | if that's modules, how about proper initramfs? |
| 22:46.47 | Quantum | Turned off preemption. ZFS can't handle it. |
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| 22:47.06 | SNow | jagginess: fsck did not help... |
| 22:47.47 | Quantum | Hm, I thought the Debian Way (make-kpkg kernel_image) took care of initramfs if needed. |
| 22:48.08 | mjt | you need to call update-initramfs |
| 22:48.31 | mjt | does it boot with initramfs to start with? |
| 22:48.33 | SNow | jagginess: how can I remove journal? |
| 22:48.44 | mjt | SNow: remove? |
| 22:49.35 | SNow | mjt: i mean i have some issues with directofy index full |
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| 22:50.21 | mjt | and removing journal helps how? |
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| 22:51.26 | mjt | => away |
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| 22:52.39 | Quantum | mjt: After update-initramfs on the new kernel, still panicing on boot. |
| 22:53.03 | Quantum | I don't know if it boots with initramfs to start with. |
| 22:55.08 | Quantum | Shit. |
| 22:55.19 | jagginess | happens... |
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| 22:56.00 | jagginess | Quantum, do you have the initrd for that new kernel? |
| 22:56.18 | jagginess | Quantum, (you should also have it included on the bootline) |
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| 22:56.36 | Quantum | Y made that. |
| 22:56.44 | scwizard | how can I see what program is binded to a particular port? |
| 22:56.59 | jagginess | scwizard, netstat |
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| 22:57.49 | scwizard | jagginess, well netstat gave me this: tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN |
| 22:58.11 | scwizard | how do I get it to include the program along with the "LISTEN" |
| 22:58.21 | nkuttler | !tell scwizard about open ports |
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| 22:58.43 | jagginess | scwizard, i juse use netstat -plutn |
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| 22:59.13 | SNow | mjt: it should help somehow, but does not |
| 22:59.15 | inthl | okay I think I got the partition tables back again |
| 22:59.22 | inthl | but now grub-update and grub-install seem to fail |
| 22:59.23 | scwizard | nkuttler, netstat -plunt gives me tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 22:59.29 | scwizard | so a dash under "PID/program name" |
| 22:59.30 | inthl | I would like to refresh these, they fail because of: |
| 22:59.35 | inthl | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 22:59.43 | LtL | scwizard: netstat -tuap |
| 22:59.45 | scwizard | oh ahd to be root |
| 22:59.50 | inthl | I think this happens because I used sgdisk -G to create a new UUID |
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| 22:59.51 | scwizard | kk |
| 23:00.03 | inthl | how to fix this in this case - if the UUID is the fault for this error ...? |
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| 23:01.02 | jagginess | scwizard, try EXPORT COLUMNS=200 |
| 23:01.09 | jagginess | scwizard, -p should show program |
| 23:01.11 | scwizard | jagginess, I figured it out |
| 23:01.19 | scwizard | jagginess, it only shows programs if your root, just had to say sudo |
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| 23:02.14 | jagginess | inthl, probably you meant, update-grub2<enter> after you do a proper chroot |
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| 23:02.41 | inthl | yes, there are error messages like |
| 23:02.42 | inthl | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 23:03.01 | inthl | chrooted, update-grub2 executed, leading to these errors |
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| 23:03.33 | jagginess | inthl, maybe you'd like to give this a shot, tell me if it works.. http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/ |
| 23:04.05 | inthl | there is no GUI |
| 23:04.07 | inthl | SSH only |
| 23:04.55 | jagginess | ssh? |
| 23:05.14 | jagginess | you trying to fix grub from ssh? |
| 23:05.45 | inthl | yes |
| 23:06.20 | scwizard | >:( |
| 23:06.27 | jagginess | inthl, read what i said.. do a proper chroot first |
| 23:06.33 | scwizard | I hate it when man program_I_just_installed doesn't work |
| 23:06.34 | inthl | I did |
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| 23:08.31 | cads | is it difficult to bridge a wireless and ethnet connection? |
| 23:08.35 | cads | ethernet* |
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| 23:08.55 | jagginess | inthl, http://allurgroceries.com/rescuegrub2.html |
| 23:08.57 | scwizard | cads: I had no problems doing so with an apple airport, I'm not sure how I'd do it with debian though |
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| 23:09.25 | inthl | I just did that, lets give it an init 6 |
| 23:09.26 | scwizard | but it's probably be diffuclt |
| 23:09.32 | cads | scwizard, I know that windows and OSX simplify the process |
| 23:10.25 | inthl | thank you, it worked, --recheck did it :> |
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| 23:12.22 | garo | Why is honeyd not in wheezy ? |
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| 23:13.26 | jagginess | cads, yes.. however it's possible that easy GUI setups may exists.. here's the problem-> your laptop may go to sleep when you close the lid |
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| 23:16.56 | babilen | !why is honeyd not in wheezy |
| 23:16.56 | dpkg | honeyd is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=honeyd |
| 23:17.00 | babilen | garo: ^^^^ |
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| 23:19.22 | babilen | garo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651463 + look yourself |
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| 23:21.30 | garo | a build failure seems a good reason, but why not just include the previous version that builds without problems |
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| 23:23.48 | sacredchao | Hi, I am having a weird situation where even after aptitude update, in Synaptic most of my packages are marked as new (empty white box with star in it) |
| 23:23.58 | sacredchao | This was recent after switching repositories in sources.list |
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| 23:24.31 | babilen | garo: Probably the two other RC bugs. But look yourself. I know as much as you do now. |
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| 23:35.37 | hell_razer | wheris samba in debiab store passwords? i can not find it |
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| 23:40.15 | Guest27022 | hi there |
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| 23:40.53 | Guest27022 | anyone with snort experience? nobody answers in #snort |
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| 23:43.49 | funkadelic | what's the wins support option in the samba configuration file? |
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| 23:49.55 | Guest27022 | Ive tried every combination and nothing seems to work |
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