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| 00:14.20 | r3m | hi i dont remember the command to see in which resolution i am currently |
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| 00:15.12 | LtL | r3m: xrandr |
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| 00:16.19 | r3m | thanks |
| 00:16.28 | LtL | r3m: welcome |
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| 00:33.18 | itsrachelfish | Is there any way to monitor the bandwidth being used by USB devices? |
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| 00:36.52 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: iotop maybe |
| 00:39.42 | LtL | itsrachelfish: vnstat -i <interface> possibly |
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| 00:40.55 | itsrachelfish | gnarface: iotop appears to only be for disk IO |
| 00:41.07 | itsrachelfish | and LtL thanks-- I was thinking about that. |
| 00:41.11 | itsrachelfish | trying |
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| 00:43.35 | itsrachelfish | Hmm |
| 00:43.46 | itsrachelfish | Looks like vnstat only works on network interfaces |
| 00:43.49 | itsrachelfish | not specific devices |
| 00:44.11 | LtL | itsrachelfish: i was afraid of that, never tried it. |
| 00:44.37 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: can't you use iotop to measure the bandwidth used by whatever process is accessing your usb device though? |
| 00:45.35 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: i thought iotop listed bandwidth by *process*, regardless of device |
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| 00:47.58 | itsrachelfish | gnarface: I tried running iotop -p [process ID] but it says 0.00 B/s disk read / disk write |
| 00:48.08 | itsrachelfish | And swap IO is ?unavailable? |
| 00:48.25 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: so i think you have your answer |
| 00:48.58 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: you ran it as root, right? |
| 00:49.17 | itsrachelfish | Oh. OH. |
| 00:49.21 | itsrachelfish | I'm dumb is the reason. |
| 00:49.37 | dvs | well... |
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| 00:50.37 | itsrachelfish | Well, I thought so. |
| 00:50.46 | itsrachelfish | The first program I was running was getting input from an IP camera |
| 00:50.53 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: that's the feeling of getting smarter :) |
| 00:50.59 | itsrachelfish | So I ran the one which actually uses USB but the result is the same. |
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| 00:53.17 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: tried -P ? |
| 00:53.27 | gnarface | (instead of -p) |
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| 00:54.15 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: it may also be useful to try setting -d to something less than 1 second, though i've never tried that myself |
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| 00:55.25 | itsrachelfish | gnarface: Yeah, both |
| 00:55.33 | itsrachelfish | ##linux says I should look into usbmon |
| 00:56.01 | gnarface | hmm. good tip, i've never tried that one |
| 00:56.34 | gnarface | although if you need something like that, i have to wonder if maybe iotop would show the same value on the process id of the usb driver or something... |
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| 01:22.39 | cads | should I take some backup steps before updating to wheezy? |
| 01:23.06 | dvs | cads: Absolutely |
| 01:23.21 | cads | what are appropriate steps? |
| 01:23.45 | dvs | cads: Whatever you do normally |
| 01:23.51 | cads | I'm considering making a clonezilla image of my whole system |
| 01:24.41 | dvs | Sounds good to me. |
| 01:24.48 | cads | normally I backup my data, and when my system gets corrupted I piss and moan for a few days and reinstall, though :D |
| 01:25.10 | cads | ie, I don't do anything to keep my system configuration safe |
| 01:26.27 | dvs | Well, if you don't mind setting everything up again, that's up to you. |
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| 01:27.29 | cads | I do mind it very very much :D |
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| 01:27.49 | cads | anyways, I'll see how the imaging process goes |
| 01:28.22 | cads | I worry it'll take a long time |
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| 01:28.39 | dvs | Depends what you image to |
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| 02:01.55 | stew | !flw |
| 02:01.56 | dpkg | <graytron> markit: i don't make mistakes |
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| 02:15.29 | bdfoster | anyone know of a tool that you can create a debian distro (remix)? basically i want to make an iso that's a lighter set of default packages and is geared towards a specific application |
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| 03:04.06 | stew | bdfoster: why not just use debian and create a new task for tasksel |
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| 03:11.18 | squarepeg | hello |
| 03:11.34 | squarepeg | I'm trying to get my intel centrino wireless online |
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| 03:12.25 | squarepeg | I just installed debian-6.0.4 |
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| 03:15.13 | amphi | squarepeg: you have the firmware installed? |
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| 03:16.48 | squarepeg | amphi, I think I do |
| 03:17.07 | bdfoster | it's gonna be a little more integrated than that |
| 03:17.14 | squarepeg | I downloaded the .deb on my other computer, loaded it via usb and dpkg -i .deb |
| 03:17.14 | bdfoster | stew, ^^ |
| 03:17.28 | squarepeg | amphi: how can I verify that? |
| 03:17.41 | amphi | do you see any useful messages in syslog when you modprobe the module? |
| 03:17.51 | squarepeg | I did dmesg already and it correctly identified my intel centrino chipset |
| 03:18.08 | amphi | squarepeg: which card is it? |
| 03:18.52 | squarepeg | intel 6050 |
| 03:19.06 | squarepeg | AGN |
| 03:19.18 | amphi | that'll be the firmware-iwlwifi package I think |
| 03:19.29 | amphi | which is in non-free by the way |
| 03:19.31 | squarepeg | yeah, and that's the one I've installed |
| 03:19.49 | squarepeg | (why doesn't intel wise up on the driver source code?) |
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| 03:21.27 | squarepeg | amphi: maybe I'm missing something else |
| 03:21.37 | squarepeg | I didn't even have sudo installed when my installation was done |
| 03:21.43 | amphi | squarepeg: how are you trying to connect? I find wicd works well |
| 03:21.55 | amphi | no, you don't need sudo |
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| 03:22.07 | squarepeg | right, but I got accustomed to having it |
| 03:22.17 | squarepeg | okay, I'll get wicd and see what happens |
| 03:22.20 | squarepeg | thanks amphi |
| 03:22.58 | amphi | good luck |
| 03:24.07 | roundhole | sorry, i had to do it... |
| 03:26.34 | squarepeg | ha ha |
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| 03:27.32 | squarepeg | amphi: wicd has a bunch of dependencies I don't want to install manually |
| 03:27.44 | squarepeg | maybe there's something else without any dependencies |
| 03:28.07 | squarepeg | wait, I've got a better question |
| 03:28.28 | squarepeg | how can I get my USB key with my installation disk into my sources.list ? |
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| 03:32.13 | peterrooney | squarepeg: what I usually do is, find /cdrom/pool -name *.deb -exec cp {} /var/cache/apt/archives \; |
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| 03:33.14 | peterrooney | squarepeg: I'm lazy, I usually do it when waiting for a fresh install to finish. |
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| 03:35.26 | squarepeg | peterrooney: you have a terminal open while it's installing? |
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| 03:36.56 | peterrooney | squarepeg: there's four during install, but vt4 is used to show progress and error messages |
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| 03:38.17 | peterrooney | squarepeg: so, there's two terminals free during an install |
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| 03:39.07 | squarepeg | so you switch with ctrl+alt+1 ? |
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| 03:39.24 | squarepeg | so you switch with ctrl+alt+f1 ? |
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| 03:46.13 | peterrooney | squarepeg: ctrl alt {f2,f3,f4,f1} |
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| 04:08.21 | Cloud | hey guys. |
| 04:08.40 | funkadelic | My SMB server is behind a wifi router, and I've forwarded ports 445, and 137 to 139, both tcp and udp. When I try connecting to \\SMB-server's-external-IP-address, it doesn't connect, it just sits there forever after I press enter. How can I fix this? |
| 04:08.44 | Cloud | why can't I get mingw-w64-i686 on squeeze? |
| 04:08.55 | funkadelic | the server runs debian |
| 04:09.00 | Cloud | do i need to make changes to sources.list somewhere? |
| 04:09.39 | peterrooney | ,versions mingw-w64-i686 |
| 04:09.40 | judd | No package named 'mingw-w64-i686' was found in i386. |
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| 04:09.57 | Guest64240 | hi, anyone using snort? |
| 04:10.02 | stew | judd: versions mingw-w64-i686-dev |
| 04:10.03 | judd | Package: mingw-w64-i686-dev on i386 -- sid: 2.0.3-1; wheezy: 2.0.3-1 |
| 04:10.51 | stew | Guest64240: just assume yes, and ask your real question |
| 04:11.03 | Guest64240 | ok |
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| 04:11.19 | Guest64240 | I need help configuring oinkmaster to download ruleset |
| 04:11.28 | Guest64240 | Ive tried every combination and nothing |
| 04:11.32 | stew | bdfoster: what do you mean by integrated? |
| 04:11.33 | Cloud | wheezy's mingw doesn't cut it for squeeze -- it complains about libc6-dec, libgccl, etc. breaking gcc-4.4 |
| 04:11.52 | Cloud | (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed |
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| 04:13.23 | stew | Cloud: you should not be trying to install wheezy packages on squeeze without recompiling them |
| 04:13.26 | Cloud | mingw-w64 did the trick |
| 04:13.32 | stew | Cloud: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 04:18.50 | stew | bdfoster: anyway, have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends |
| 04:18.53 | stew | i hate that name |
| 04:20.50 | funkadelic | Where is a good place to get help connecting to my SMB server? |
| 04:22.01 | funkadelic | It works wonderfully; much better than NFS; when I'm within the LAN, but I can't connect from the internet, even though I've forwarded the right ports. |
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| 04:23.23 | bdfoster | stew, interesting... |
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| 04:39.43 | sideup66 | evening room! |
| 04:40.55 | sideup66 | well im setting up a small shell script right now and im curious if anyone has a simple, easy way to setup cron, thing is im a bit of a noob to it so id like to learn the basics if you will and what I really need is a task that that I can schedule to be run as root once a month |
| 04:41.17 | sideup66 | !cron |
| 04:41.18 | dpkg | somebody said cron was a daemon allowing programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab>, <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>. |
| 04:43.33 | sideup66 | !cron tutorial |
| 04:43.34 | dpkg | methinks cron tutorial is http://clickmojo.com/code/cron-tutorial.html or just read "man 5 crontab" locally |
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| 04:45.13 | lduros | iceweasel creates user profiles in ~/.mozilla/iceweasel correct? |
| 04:45.21 | lduros | I'm not using debian right now |
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| 04:46.04 | sideup66 | ldruros: what distro? |
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| 04:46.25 | lduros | i'm using ubuntu right now |
| 04:46.43 | lduros | so my question is, do you see a folder .mozilla/iceweasel? in your home directory? |
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| 04:46.57 | lduros | I'm just trying to figure out where Debian puts the user profiles |
| 04:47.30 | sideup66 | i would check .iceweasel in home |
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| 04:47.44 | sideup66 | if you can pop open a nautilius window and enable the showing of hidden files |
| 04:47.50 | sideup66 | give you a birds-eye view of things |
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| 04:49.22 | lduros | sideup66: I'm asking you |
| 04:49.31 | lduros | sideup66: I'm not using debian, so I can't tell |
| 04:49.35 | lduros | because I'm not using debian |
| 04:49.37 | lduros | :-) |
| 04:50.17 | lduros | are you running debian right now? Do you happen to use Iceweasel for your browsing? If so, I need to know where that profile folder of yours is located. I think it's ./mozilla/iceweasel :-) |
| 04:50.20 | lduros | but I can't say for sure |
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| 04:50.33 | sideup66 | lduros: i know your asking, i run debian 6 right now |
| 04:50.40 | lduros | hehe ok |
| 04:50.41 | lduros | :-) |
| 04:50.47 | lduros | you use iceweasel right? |
| 04:50.50 | sideup66 | as I recall iceweasel stores in .iceweasel...im guessing your on unity? |
| 04:51.04 | sideup66 | no, i swapped mine for plain jane firefox |
| 04:51.11 | lduros | ah ok |
| 04:51.20 | lduros | anybody here uses iceweasel? |
| 04:51.28 | sideup66 | though when i switched the home directory was saved the same way firefox is |
| 04:51.31 | sideup66 | so shouldnt be a difference |
| 04:51.47 | sideup66 | do you have nautilus for browsing files in your nix or did they ditch that in the unity swap? |
| 04:52.36 | sideup66 | either way no reason that file shouldnt be in your home directory |
| 04:52.36 | dizzylizzy | can someone point me to a program I could use with a friend to directly send a file too large for email? I'm thinking perhaps one user runs the program waiting for a connection, and the other runs the program pointing to their IP...? Serverless if possible |
| 04:52.42 | JoeHazzers | oh wow |
| 04:52.48 | JoeHazzers | #debian != #ubuntu |
| 04:53.11 | sideup66 | joe....i know this, but their backbones are identical. |
| 04:53.39 | sideup66 | bangs head against wall |
| 04:54.20 | JoeHazzers | sideup66: oh okay, then |
| 04:54.22 | Guest64240 | I need help configuring oinkmaster to download ruleset |
| 04:54.29 | JoeHazzers | let's just support anything under the debian tree |
| 04:54.31 | JoeHazzers | as seen here |
| 04:54.32 | JoeHazzers | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg |
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| 04:55.37 | sideup66 | wow debian and ubuntu gave birth to ALOT of spinoffs |
| 04:56.00 | allejo | what makes a .deb file specifically different from an ar file? how would i got about creating a valid .deb file by just using tar, gzip, and ar? I wouldn't be using this .deb file for a debian repository |
| 04:57.07 | peterrooney | sideup66: their backbones are distinctly *not* identical. |
| 04:57.42 | JoeHazzers | if they had the same backbones they could work off the same repositories without issue |
| 04:57.52 | sideup66 | peterrooney: can you elaborate why that is? |
| 04:58.21 | sideup66 | ive done a couple crosses of applications for my server build and they went smoothly, one of which is going to be officially supported in the next release |
| 04:58.43 | sideup66 | the other is just a balled up firefox that is made a deb instead of a file dump |
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| 05:01.10 | peterrooney | sideup66: all kinds of changes to base configuration, different package contents, additional package contents, and thus differing dependencies. it's totally burned me the past two weeks trying to get a ubuntu system up (parttime effort, to be fair) because some things are not where I expect them. |
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| 05:01.58 | peterrooney | I dont' think many people would want to keep track of the differences without being paid by canonical. |
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| 05:02.58 | sideup66 | peterrooney: that is true but im looking at the understructure of the two |
| 05:03.26 | sideup66 | that they are similar, kind of like 2 GM make cars....top levels may be different but the understructure is identical, in some cases the engine, transmission, etc |
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| 05:04.09 | sideup66 | some save locations being shuffled around id see as the upper level honestly... |
| 05:04.09 | JoeHazzers | you mean they're bot linux? |
| 05:04.14 | JoeHazzers | *both |
| 05:05.07 | sideup66 | well they all stem from the same core, but my point is that some top level things such as library packages, etc may be different but lets remember, libraries are ALOT less catastrophic to a linux machine than windoze, of course they must have them but they are alot easier to customize |
| 05:05.18 | sideup66 | so id say thats top |
| 05:05.28 | sideup66 | yes you pull say C out of the kernel your system wont start |
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| 05:06.41 | sideup66 | but upper level things like python, etc wont stop your system from running and id find easily adaptable |
| 05:06.51 | peterrooney | sideup66: here's the thought experiment: say out loud, "Canonical has made no changes to any of the dpkg, aptitude, or apt-* packages" |
| 05:07.13 | sideup66 | lol |
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| 05:07.48 | peterrooney | sideup66: then see if your face is still straight. |
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| 05:08.06 | sideup66 | in the words of the engineer: nope. |
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| 05:10.30 | sideup66 | anyone know a beginners way to configure anacron in any event |
| 05:10.35 | sideup66 | it looks a little prettier than cron |
| 05:10.43 | sideup66 | as it claims on the manpage |
| 05:11.04 | sideup66 | to not depend on an always running system |
| 05:11.25 | sideup66 | which soundds alot smarter as it makes it sound as if cron gets hosed whenever the machine goes down for a period of time... |
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| 05:17.34 | sideup66 | incase anyone is interested i found an awesome simple to understand article on setting up anacron |
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| 05:18.25 | sideup66 | if anyone knows if i set a job in there, and I want it to be root (file permission issues, just easier to bypass em in root) do I have to edit the file as root or can I do it as anyone and the anacron daemon will execute as rot |
| 05:18.28 | sideup66 | root i mean |
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| 05:22.51 | sideup66 | heres the article btw |
| 05:23.25 | sideup66 | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/05/anacron-examples/ |
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| 05:28.49 | tommyfun | is this for a laptop? |
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| 05:30.17 | tommyfun | I would think that any script you run in anacron would execute as root |
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| 05:33.55 | sideup66 | tommyfun: no desktop, its a home server |
| 05:34.19 | sideup66 | and i surmised that reading the information, as it is a daemon that runs as root |
| 05:34.31 | sideup66 | so any child spawning off would be root in an ideal world |
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| 05:35.27 | sideup66 | tommyfun: its just a little script i wrote to cleanup log files once a month from local backups i do from my windows machines |
| 05:35.37 | sideup66 | reasoning for root is file permission, at least root doesnt have to care |
| 05:37.17 | sideup66 | anacron just sounds like a user-friendly version of cron to me |
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| 05:38.27 | tommyfun | the random delay feature is cool |
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| 05:40.51 | sideup66 | i know, reason i settled in my head for that so far was because of its delay feature, its not mission critical the nanny run but it would be nice for the stupid thing to run when the machine reboots over waiting another month for the script to execute |
| 05:41.12 | sideup66 | like if it power cycled from a shortage or similar |
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| 05:42.03 | tommyfun | hmmm, maybe, i don't think I would worry about that |
| 05:42.41 | sideup66 | true, its only a nanny script...the windows machines log and just append a master which is what my cron job will deal with |
| 05:42.50 | sideup66 | or anacron |
| 05:43.04 | sideup66 | just blast em once a month to keep them from being abnoxiously big |
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| 05:43.56 | tommyfun | doesn't the log rotate scripts take the size of the file into account? |
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| 05:44.40 | tommyfun | I thought that was the new way of rotating |
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| 05:45.03 | sideup66 | no it just dumbly appends, i figured id just have it do a cleanup once a month, a month of data is good enough to know whether a system is not doing what it should be, and their my own batch scripts for the record ;) |
| 05:45.08 | JoeHazzers | tommyfun: yeah, logrotate even by default configuration takes care of it |
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| 05:45.12 | sideup66 | the windows shell is dumb in comparisonto linux ;) |
| 05:45.13 | JoeHazzers | something like a month limit |
| 05:46.27 | sideup66 | their only batch files doing it on the windows boxes |
| 05:46.30 | sideup66 | nothing fancy |
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| 05:48.12 | sideup66 | if i understand anacron correctly it inherits cron to begin with |
| 05:48.14 | tommyfun | windoze 2008 and 7 does a better job with logs, I'm surprised it took them this long |
| 05:48.29 | sideup66 | so no point in having bothhm |
| 05:48.35 | sideup66 | im actually ok with 7 |
| 05:48.44 | sideup66 | it doesnt run half bad |
| 05:49.14 | sideup66 | i still have computer illiterate family who kill 7...i still dont get how...its actually a solid os |
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| 05:50.22 | tommyfun | what the heck are you doing on this home server of yours that you generate that much logging? |
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| 05:51.12 | sideup66 | its not alot |
| 05:51.26 | sideup66 | just small logs created by each user who does a backup |
| 05:51.29 | sideup66 | that are appended to |
| 05:51.46 | sideup66 | so its just a nanny...this is being made to be more than what it is |
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| 05:51.55 | tommyfun | configure logrotate to deal with those logs |
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| 05:52.47 | sideup66 | theirs a package for that? :D |
| 05:53.00 | sideup66 | if so you just made my freakin day :D |
| 05:53.36 | tommyfun | you probably have it installed already and it should be dealing with the default logs |
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| 05:54.05 | sideup66 | its there |
| 05:54.13 | sideup66 | !logrotate |
| 05:54.14 | dpkg | logrotate is, like, a log rotation program that sings |
| 05:54.27 | sideup66 | erm i think dpkg summed it up? :p |
| 05:54.41 | tommyfun | you can add any other log file it doesn't know about easily in the /etc/logrotate.d directory, or something like that |
| 05:55.29 | sideup66 | looks like it lives with a .conf file too where it may take new files... |
| 05:56.01 | petemc | logrotate is a bollocks to configure |
| 05:56.10 | petemc | ime |
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| 05:56.51 | sideup66 | not familiar with that term haha |
| 05:57.07 | sideup66 | so its easier to use cron then pete |
| 05:57.20 | petemc | not quite |
| 05:57.20 | tommyfun | well, it still uses cron |
| 05:57.44 | sideup66 | i was gonna say i think that actually lives in its own daemon |
| 05:58.00 | tommyfun | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/07/logrotate-examples/ |
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| 06:02.01 | sideup66 | either way i found a pretty way to set up cron |
| 06:02.03 | sideup66 | with a gui |
| 06:02.52 | sideup66 | gnome-schedule seems to do it |
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| 06:05.28 | tommyfun | I guess, editing your crontab in vi isn't exactly that difficult though |
| 06:05.50 | petemc | because vi is so intuitive |
| 06:06.33 | tommyfun | regardless, keep in mind you'll have to use absolute pathnames and define and shell variables if you need them |
| 06:06.44 | sideup66 | i know |
| 06:06.46 | sideup66 | im still torn though |
| 06:06.55 | sideup66 | whether i should use cron or anacron |
| 06:07.05 | sideup66 | i feel like anacron be nicer to use because it accounts for things like downtime |
| 06:07.19 | tommyfun | forget that stuff, just use logrotate |
| 06:07.42 | tommyfun | did you look at the tutorial page? |
| 06:07.46 | sideup66 | those entries look WAY messier than cron...which is just a daemon |
| 06:08.04 | tommyfun | you're talking about two different things |
| 06:09.06 | tommyfun | logrotate should already be configured and is using cron, so you don;t have to touch any of that stuff |
| 06:09.24 | sideup66 | logrotate has its own daemon...unless im mistaken |
| 06:09.28 | sideup66 | so it runs based on that |
| 06:09.53 | tommyfun | no, it doesn't have it's own daemon |
| 06:09.55 | petemc | it does not |
| 06:10.16 | sideup66 | oh...i thought i read somewhere it did |
| 06:10.20 | sideup66 | ok i stand corrected |
| 06:12.32 | sideup66 | petemc whats the problemwith log rotate |
| 06:12.39 | sideup66 | your saying it is difficult to configure? |
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| 06:14.22 | petemc | sideup66: i struggled with it in the past, but i had specific requirements |
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| 06:14.40 | petemc | i did eventually cajole it to do what i needed |
| 06:14.46 | peterrooney | is proud to have spotted errors in the logrotate docs |
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| 06:15.11 | sideup66 | well that sounds fun |
| 06:15.12 | sideup66 | :/ |
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| 06:19.01 | sideup66 | lol gnome-schedule looks for a crontab all the time :p |
| 06:19.08 | sideup66 | and keeps complaining in stdout about it :P |
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| 06:20.33 | linkedinu | linkedinu> how can i mysqldump please version are mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.61, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 6.1 |
| 06:20.33 | linkedinu | <linkedinu> i want to mysqldump dboldserver.sql |
| 06:20.34 | linkedinu | <linkedinu> dboldserver.sql is 1 gigabyte size |
| 06:23.28 | petemc | linkedinu: did you try it and it didnt work? |
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| 06:25.41 | linkedinu | petemc, yes it gave me error |
| 06:25.51 | colun | Hello, I would like to know if it is possible to @domain.com have no restriction for sending or receiving mail and thant @cust.domain.com can send and receive only from @domain.com domain.com being the same and on the same server. I prefer postfix but other possibility is possible. For users, I would use a mysql database. Thank you |
| 06:26.23 | linkedinu | petemc, http://pastebin.com/4SFNT1JD |
| 06:27.26 | petemc | linkedinu: stick that error into google |
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| 06:28.06 | linkedinu | petemc, i did but no success :( |
| 06:28.15 | petemc | colun: generally, you dont restrict on the from address like @cust.domain, you specify hosts or use smtp auth |
| 06:28.40 | petemc | linkedinu: pastebin the command you ran |
| 06:29.07 | petemc | without the password, if you passed it on the commandline, which you shouldnt have |
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| 06:31.21 | colun | petemc : ok |
| 06:32.05 | petemc | from address is trvially forged |
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| 06:39.12 | itsrachelfish | Dearest #debian, why does running two webcams do this? libv4l2: error turning on stream: no space left on device |
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| 06:42.38 | peterrooney | itsrachelfish: what does df tell you about free space? |
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| 06:47.10 | itsrachelfish | peterrooney: df says my usage is 19% for /, 0% for /lib/init/rw, 1% for /dev and and 1% for /dev/shm |
| 06:47.38 | itsrachelfish | Running df before and after starting the camera produces the same results |
| 06:48.11 | itsrachelfish | People on Google say it's a USB bandwidth issue, but after running wireshark neither webcam uses anywhere near the maximum USB bandwidth. |
| 06:49.24 | petemc | not useful but usb bandwidth is fairly shit |
| 06:50.36 | itsrachelfish | The maximum USB 2.0 bandwidth is suposedly 480 mbit/s |
| 06:50.48 | itsrachelfish | Each webcam uses about 14 mbit/s |
| 06:51.07 | itsrachelfish | lsusb -t confirms my usb drivers support 480m |
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| 06:57.13 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: i've noticed that USB webcams in particular seem to generally fail (at least in linux) to support their specified max framerates at anything other than the minimum resolution/color depth, and its common for lots of "USB 2.0 compatible" hardware to still run at effectively USB 1.0 speeds |
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| 06:57.41 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: that doesn't mean that's the problem you're having, but i've seen that behavior on lots of webcams |
| 06:58.24 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: oh sorry, didn't notice the "no space left" error. are these two webcams using the same driver? |
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| 06:59.05 | itsrachelfish | gnarface: How would I check? |
| 06:59.11 | itsrachelfish | They're two totally different webcams |
| 06:59.22 | itsrachelfish | Different resolutions, manufacturer |
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| 06:59.37 | itsrachelfish | Interestingly running both webcams at 320x240 works |
| 06:59.46 | itsrachelfish | But both at 640x480 says there's not enough space |
| 06:59.58 | itsrachelfish | So you might be right-- they might be running at usb 1.0 speeds |
| 07:01.15 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: there's a list out there (sorry i don't have the link on hand) of usb webcam support in linux... should list driver name by make&model numbers |
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| 07:03.15 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/#devices also last time i was messing around with this stuff i think the whole uvc driver thing was still experimental, and now it may be the standard/only driver setup for webcams, but i don't honestly know |
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| 07:03.51 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: if you use the v4l2 controls you should be able to manually set resolution, framerate, and color depth. you may want to experiment with those to see what each camera alone even obeys |
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| 07:05.13 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: for example it may be informative if you can get one camera running at 24 or even higher FPS at 320x240, 16bpp color, but barely get even 1FPS at higher resolutions/color depths... you might even see bandwith usage go UP concievably, at lower resolutions with higher framerates... suggesting a throughput bottleneck in the optical hardware itself |
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| 07:05.22 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: but i'm just hypothesizing here |
| 07:05.54 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: using v4l1 vs v4l2 could even matter |
| 07:06.03 | itsrachelfish | gnarface: I used v4lctl to list the available commands supported by the webcams and FPS isn't one of them |
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| 07:06.20 | itsrachelfish | But neither is resolution so I'm not sure if list works the way I think it does |
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| 07:23.45 | cedr | !test |
| 07:23.46 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 07:23.50 | cedr | ok |
| 07:23.59 | liable | !dance |
| 07:23.59 | dpkg | gets jiggy wit it |
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| 07:27.52 | SNow | hi , how can I deal with ext4 and directory index is full, I have a dir with only 54k images. |
| 07:27.59 | peterrooney | thinks dpkg should reel instead |
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| 07:35.26 | peterrooney | SNow: I'd check for hidden files |
| 07:36.42 | SNow | peterrooney: maybe nginx? |
| 07:36.50 | petemc | SNow: what does df -i say? |
| 07:37.53 | SNow | 56% used |
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| 07:38.22 | SNow | petemc: tried fsck as well, tried tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/md2, tried removing journal |
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| 07:39.22 | Kapil | I'm using Dabina linux. my svn, MySQL stop working. MySQL giving error 80 which is problem with /tmp dir. /tmp dir permissions are rwxrwxrwt. how can I remove 't' |
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| 07:40.42 | petemc | SNow: it was just a hunch, i know less thsan nothing about ext4 |
| 07:41.46 | peterrooney | Kapil: /msg dpkg xy |
| 07:42.08 | Kapil | Thanks. should i run that command? |
| 07:42.58 | Kapil | dpkg: need an action option |
| 07:42.58 | dpkg | Kapil: bugger all, i dunno |
| 07:44.14 | peterrooney | dpkg: xy |
| 07:44.14 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
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| 07:44.40 | peterrooney | Kapil: you do NOT want to remove the sticky bit on /tmp |
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| 07:45.41 | Kapil | Yes but it is not allowing MySQL to create tmp file. Error I"m getting is 'Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_5c1_36.MYI' (Errcode: 30)' |
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| 07:49.57 | tintin | hi, i have installed ntfs-3g, ntpsprogs |
| 07:50.11 | tintin | but when i click the ntfs disk, it's mounted from nautilus |
| 07:50.21 | tintin | but nothing can be made executable there, why? |
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| 07:56.50 | peterrooney | Kapil: not being able to write to /tmp is not related to the sticky bit. Check filesystem mount options (read-only? noexec?) |
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| 08:08.14 | SNow | peterrooney: any ideas? |
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| 08:13.26 | Kapil | peterrooney: please check http://pastie.org/4012614 mount and few other commands executed |
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| 08:14.42 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: try v4l2-ctl maybe? also, vlc has a bunch of menu settings but i'm not sure how well they're obeyed |
| 08:14.56 | gnarface | itsrachelfish: you may have better luck if you can use something like ffmpeg |
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| 08:32.55 | kba | I just did apt-get update,upgrade and saw that sudo was updated to 1.7.4p4, but it seems 1.8.5.p2 is the latest stable release, so I was wondering why this isn't considered as stable or why my Debian didn't upgrade to that? |
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| 08:33.18 | kba | I'm using 'stable main contrib' and 'squeeze-updates main contrib' |
| 08:33.48 | kba | how dangerous is 'unstable'? |
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| 08:35.45 | nkuttler | kba: pastebin output of apt-cache policy sudo |
| 08:36.08 | nkuttler | , v sudo |
| 08:36.09 | judd | Package: sudo on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.9p17-3; lenny-security: 1.6.9p17-3; squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.3; squeeze-security: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.3; sid: 1.8.3p2-1.1; wheezy: 1.8.3p2-1.1 |
| 08:36.43 | kba | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/08bc1c0a/ |
| 08:37.19 | nkuttler | kba: er.. what makes you think 1.8.5.p2 is the lastest stable? |
| 08:37.33 | nkuttler | is that upstream or? |
| 08:37.52 | kba | According to sudo.ws, it is the lastest stable |
| 08:38.03 | kba | but I'm guessing the Debian security officers don't trust stuff like that? |
| 08:38.04 | nkuttler | kba: that's not how debian stable works |
| 08:38.10 | nkuttler | !stable |
| 08:38.11 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 08:38.41 | kba | !unstable |
| 08:38.42 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 08:38.53 | nkuttler | !tell kba about msg the bot |
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| 08:41.15 | kba | nkuttler: thank you, I can see that it tells me I shouldn't, so say I wanted to use PHP 5.4 instead of just 5.3.3.7 which is in Squeeze, what should I do? "sudo apt-get install php5/unstable" tells me that release doesn't exist in unstable, so I'm guessign that's not how |
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| 08:41.59 | kba | because changing everything to unstable in sources.list sounds like a bad idea |
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| 08:44.37 | nsadmin | kba, if worst comes to worst and you can't get the php you want in the debian you have because the appropriate libs are not present, you can always build the entire stack |
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| 08:45.25 | awdeb | Hello. I have upgraded to debian testing, but here I dont fint any GUI to manage services |
| 08:45.50 | awdeb | Squeeze have a nice one, but testing I couldnt find it |
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| 08:47.04 | awdeb | Do you know a GUI for that in Debian? |
| 08:47.10 | nsadmin | guis to manage services are not recommended over the text config files and shell tools originally used to manage services. |
| 08:47.55 | kba | nsadmin: what do you mean, "build the stack"? |
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| 08:47.59 | awdeb | I don t know how to do it without a GUI |
| 08:48.07 | kba | nsadmin: Recompile Debian and everything? |
| 08:48.19 | nsadmin | compile apache, compile its modules, compile php |
| 08:48.37 | nsadmin | no, not all of debian (btw, you just invented gentoo) |
| 08:48.39 | kba | Ah, I see |
| 08:48.42 | nsadmin | just the web stack |
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| 08:49.29 | kba | but I found a repo that had php5.4, so it's no problem |
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| 08:50.02 | nsadmin | ok, if you know it works with your existing stack |
| 08:50.03 | awdeb | nsadmin : Can I use the GUI of Squeeze for manage servicces? |
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| 08:51.27 | sharky2 | hi guys, when is debian 7 stable expected to be released? |
| 08:51.43 | xand | ?wwwr |
| 08:51.48 | xand | !wwwr |
| 08:51.48 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
| 08:52.30 | sharky2 | thanks |
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| 08:57.10 | nsadmin | I haven[t explored the gui stuff, mainly because I already know how to do things using NOT gui |
| 08:57.26 | nsadmin | I have never ever needed it, perios |
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| 08:58.24 | nsadmin | sharky2, someone knows when that's going to be? |
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| 08:59.06 | nsadmin | it's been said the freeze is very soon |
| 08:59.16 | sharky2 | nsadmin, as i understood it is going to be freezed and tested in june |
| 08:59.42 | nsadmin | small correction... |
| 08:59.49 | JoeHazzers | big correction! |
| 08:59.58 | JoeHazzers | changes nsadmin into nsupdate |
| 09:00.30 | nsadmin | they say the freeze is going to happen in june... that is when the testing STARTS |
| 09:00.31 | xand | sharky2: it is june |
| 09:00.45 | nsadmin | and it will continue likely for several months |
| 09:00.49 | sharky2 | xand, hah nice right :D |
| 09:01.06 | JoeHazzers | stares at xand |
| 09:01.16 | sharky2 | nsadmin, yes i guess also several months |
| 09:01.39 | sharky2 | and stable realease before 2013 |
| 09:01.40 | nsadmin | then once it's considered ready... the gates open |
| 09:02.22 | xand | blushes |
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| 09:08.47 | nsadmin | but WAIT just a moment... the gates are already open |
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| 09:12.36 | D-Boy | when uploading files from home to a server i end up with files with those permissions : -rwxr-Sr-x what the S stands for and how to remove it (the files @home are on a windows machine) |
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| 09:18.04 | nsadmin | it's really rwxr--r-x with setgid |
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| 09:20.13 | itsrachelfish | Hi #debian I wrote some words on a website instead of flooding the channel |
| 09:20.21 | itsrachelfish | maybe one of you is smart enough to help :) |
| 09:20.24 | itsrachelfish | http://superuser.com/questions/431759/running-multiple-usb-webcams-in-linux |
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| 09:20.54 | nsadmin | itsrachelfish, fun way to ask for help! alas, my turtle needs walking |
| 09:21.19 | itsrachelfish | It's okay I'm very patient |
| 09:21.33 | itsrachelfish | You're welcome to race with my pet rabbit though |
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| 09:26.41 | nsadmin | your pet rabbit already lost because the finish line was already comfortably under my turtle... all it had to do is walk a 1/4th inch... |
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| 09:30.15 | nsadmin | and an hour later, it did! |
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| 09:32.21 | itsrachelfish | :P |
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| 09:35.03 | jonaskoelker | how do I tell which installed package (if any) owns $SOMEFILE (in my case /etc/emacs/site-start.d/51speedbar.el)? |
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| 09:38.48 | nsadmin | itsrachelfish, what device ran out of disk space? |
| 09:39.20 | jonaskoelker | answer to my own question: grep -C100 $SOMEFILE /var/lib/dpkg/status. Yay for text files :-) |
| 09:39.44 | jonaskoelker | have a good $RELATIVE_PLACEMENT_OF_SUN_IN_YOUR_TIMEZONE, everybody |
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| 09:53.55 | itsrachelfish | Woah! |
| 09:54.03 | itsrachelfish | nsadmin: are you being a troll |
| 09:54.40 | nsadmin | what makes you ask that? |
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| 09:58.18 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 09:58.44 | itsrachelfish | nsadmin: You asked what disk ran out of space :p |
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| 09:59.23 | nsadmin | yeah, I looked at the top of your paste and it shows "No space left on device" |
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| 10:00.56 | wuffi600 | In 4.2.1 on http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html ; what directiry should i use for the cd-command? |
| 10:01.32 | itsrachelfish | nsadmin: The space being used up is the USB bandwidth. |
| 10:01.45 | xand | wuffi600: apt-get source puts things in the current directory |
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| 10:05.11 | multiscreen | hi |
| 10:06.00 | wuffi600 | xand: oh thank you |
| 10:06.10 | multiscreen | i'm trying to use an external monitor with fvwm-crystal + gdm but i can only use it on console (Crtl+alt+F1) . |
| 10:06.32 | multiscreen | whenever i press the Fn+swithmonitor button nothing happens ... |
| 10:07.23 | multiscreen | i also tried evtest to see if that button works and it's ok. Is there a module or an xorg-* package i need to install to be able to use an external monitor on X ? |
| 10:08.55 | raptor67682 | do I need SPEEX audio codec to do VOIP (linphone)? |
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| 10:10.40 | kyperf | hi |
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| 10:14.44 | nsadmin | itsrachelfish, ok, so bandwidth is a max time rate of change of bit transfer,,, you're saying that if something is pulling all the available bandwidth constantly, the driver will report "no space left on device"? |
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| 10:19.31 | [TheFlash] | hi |
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| 10:23.32 | multiscreen | hi |
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| 10:24.51 | multiscreen | is there a needed xorg-* packet to connect an external monitor (via VGA) on a notebook ? i'm trying by using Fn+switchscreen_button but it doesnt work .. |
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| 10:28.35 | [TheFlash] | i'm still having the direct rendering problem |
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| 10:28.53 | [TheFlash] | fglrx is loaded correctly, reports no errors, but direct rendering is disabled |
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| 10:30.14 | [TheFlash] | strangely enough, compiz works |
| 10:31.04 | [TheFlash] | although the effects use 100% CPU |
| 10:31.13 | [TheFlash] | glxgears also uses 100% CPU |
| 10:31.20 | nsadmin | could it be you have two videi chipsets and things are aorking for the other one? |
| 10:31.41 | [TheFlash] | i have one integrated video chipset |
| 10:31.50 | [TheFlash] | ATI Radeon HD 4250 |
| 10:32.00 | [TheFlash] | which is in the supported list for fglrx |
| 10:32.19 | nsadmin | maybe it's the cpu goin that fase |
| 10:32.22 | nsadmin | fast |
| 10:32.35 | [TheFlash] | direct rendering was working fine on fedora with the gallium driver |
| 10:33.03 | [TheFlash] | but not with debian's version of mesa |
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| 10:33.27 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: what do you mean? |
| 10:33.39 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: so, direct rendering doesn't work if the CPU can do faster? |
| 10:34.31 | nsadmin | if direct rendering is off and the cpu is at 100% usage, maybe the cpu is doing the work |
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| 10:34.39 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: well it is |
| 10:34.47 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: but my question is: why? |
| 10:34.56 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: i want my video card to work instead |
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| 10:38.53 | xingu | itsrachelfish: are you sure that the quirks= modparm took effect? |
| 10:39.16 | itsrachelfish | xingu: How would I check? |
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| 10:40.07 | xingu | itsrachelfish: at a guess, /sys/module/uvcvideo/parameters or similar |
| 10:40.19 | xingu | itsrachelfish: as in - cat it |
| 10:40.42 | xingu | itsrachelfish: it may not necessarily be uvcvideo that is overcommitting your usb bus on that port either |
| 10:40.54 | itsrachelfish | parameters is a directory, and quirks is set to 128 |
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| 10:41.25 | itsrachelfish | there's a quirks file inside parameters yep yep |
| 10:41.34 | xingu | cool. |
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| 10:41.54 | itsrachelfish | xingu: How would I check total USB usage? |
| 10:42.24 | itsrachelfish | I tried iotop, vnstat, but wireshark was the only thing which produced anything of substance |
| 10:43.21 | [TheFlash] | for some unknown reason, direct rendering is now working |
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| 10:44.41 | xingu | itsrachelfish: initial guess is in theory some attribute will show in lsusb -vvv |
| 10:44.54 | xingu | itsrachelfish: maybe try this; before opening the device, lsusb -vvv >somefile |
| 10:45.02 | xingu | itsrachelfish: then open; then lsusb -vvv >someotherfile |
| 10:45.09 | xingu | itsrachelfish: then diff -u somefile someotherfile |
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| 10:46.00 | xingu | itsrachelfish: there's also bandwidth values in lsusb -t but it's unclear to me if these are requested, or, max values. |
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| 10:47.42 | xingu | itsrachelfish: one pragmatic suggestion; balance the webcams across multiple controllers if you can |
| 10:47.54 | xingu | itsrachelfish: again you can see the topology in lsusb -t |
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| 10:49.56 | itsrachelfish | Hmm |
| 10:50.20 | itsrachelfish | xingu: Changing the port the USB is plugged into doesn't change anything in lsusb -t besides the device ID |
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| 10:50.59 | xingu | itsrachelfish: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg51388.html ... (the whole thread is interesting but...) david brownell makes the interesting point that coding usb means that you must assume that every poll for any peripheral *might* return the max claimed bandwidth |
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| 10:51.36 | xingu | itsrachelfish: so even if the device is not using its full quantum you must assume it *might* in the very next poll for as long as its open as a device. |
| 10:51.56 | xingu | itsrachelfish: if lsusb -t reports more than one bus you need to work out which physical ports are on a different bus |
| 10:52.18 | xingu | itsrachelfish: the goal is - move your LS/FS devices to a FS bus; and your HS devices to a HS bus |
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| 10:53.08 | xingu | itsrachelfish: did I mention I have hated USB since its inception and that I always thought it was a badly engineered solution to a poorly understood problem space? |
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| 10:55.33 | ramspandu | hai all, how can i get wireless adapter work ion debian |
| 10:55.33 | ramspandu | ? |
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| 10:56.06 | ompaul | !tell ramspandu about wireless |
| 10:56.36 | ramspandu | !tell |
| 10:57.04 | ramspandu | ompaul: I didn't get you |
| 10:57.12 | itsrachelfish | xingu: lsusb -vvv seems to have some interesting results |
| 10:57.19 | ompaul | ramspandu: read the message from dpkg and then where you see <instruction> just do >>>>>> /msg dpkg instruction <<<<< |
| 10:57.23 | itsrachelfish | it might be possible to make it use mjpeg after all |
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| 10:59.00 | ramspandu | dpkg |
| 10:59.40 | ramspandu | ompaul: can you be a bit more elaborative please? |
| 10:59.41 | ompaul | ramspandu: it is the channel robot / bot your irc client will have a message from it |
| 10:59.55 | ompaul | ramspandu: what are you using to connect to irc? |
| 11:00.10 | abrotman | ramspandu: which wifi adapter? |
| 11:00.36 | ramspandu | ompaul: epiphany browser |
| 11:00.59 | ompaul | ramspandu: so you use that to connect to a web page |
| 11:01.07 | ompaul | ramspandu: what web page is it? |
| 11:01.29 | ramspandu | abrotman: it is a i ball baton 150M wireless-N USB adapter |
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| 11:01.39 | abrotman | ramspandu: do you know the chipset that drives it ? |
| 11:01.51 | ramspandu | ompaul: http://webchat.freenode.net/ this is the web page |
| 11:02.16 | ramspandu | abrotman: no, i do not know about the chip set details |
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| 11:03.50 | ompaul | ramspandu: at the top of your web page under webchat.freenode.net it will have a dpg tab that is the message from the bot |
| 11:04.10 | abrotman | and how would this help if they don't know the chipset ? |
| 11:04.49 | ompaul | abrotman: it will tell them how to find the chipset won't it? or do I overestimate the message from the boty |
| 11:04.54 | ompaul | *bot |
| 11:05.21 | abrotman | probably better to have them point us at the product page? |
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| 11:06.18 | ompaul | abrotman: ah, in my history I have found product X having many different cores even with model numbers being 99.9% equal and thus feel yuk for that :) |
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| 11:16.27 | efyx_ | Hi, i have an issue with my multimedia key on my lenovo x220 |
| 11:16.43 | efyx_ | the volume up/down key trigget an event in xev but without keycode |
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| 11:17.00 | efyx_ | to get the keycode i have to also push the "windows" key |
| 11:17.14 | efyx_ | and then xev report keycode 114 and 115 |
| 11:17.30 | efyx_ | but showkey detect keycode 114 and 115 without having to push the windows key |
| 11:17.41 | efyx_ | do anybody know why? |
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| 11:22.55 | [TheFlash] | i installed the new fglrx from the backports repository |
| 11:23.02 | [TheFlash] | 2D acceleration is working |
| 11:23.12 | [TheFlash] | but 3D acceleration periodically stops works |
| 11:23.14 | [TheFlash] | *working |
| 11:23.41 | [TheFlash] | is anyone else having this problem? |
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| 11:24.23 | mjt | you may ask in #ati. Except of "me too" sort of replies debian can't realistically support fglrx because it is closed source. |
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| 11:24.39 | mjt | ie, no one but the vendor knows what's inside |
| 11:24.49 | ompaul | Fglrx is a proprietary, Linux binary-only driver for ATI graphic chips with support for 3D acceleration. |
| 11:24.52 | abrotman | thinks periodically is weird |
| 11:25.01 | stew | no u |
| 11:25.23 | ompaul | therefore Fglrx is not from or of debian |
| 11:25.47 | abrotman | looks at stew |
| 11:25.50 | [TheFlash] | is the source really unavailable or does it just use a restrictive license? |
| 11:26.04 | [TheFlash] | there's a package called fglrx-source |
| 11:26.04 | mjt | "binary-only" |
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| 11:26.10 | abrotman | really unavailable to people outside AMD |
| 11:26.25 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: that's part of it, there's a huge binary chunk |
| 11:26.26 | mjt | it is a blob with source wrappers |
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| 11:26.53 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: please write a letter to ATI explaining a little is not enough. |
| 11:27.02 | mjt | and it is _kernel_ driver, too |
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| 11:27.08 | ompaul | [TheFlash]: include the following, you really want all the source |
| 11:27.23 | ompaul | under a copyleft licence |
| 11:27.37 | [TheFlash] | from what i've heard ATI is slowly releasing the sources for fglrx |
| 11:27.40 | mjt | heh. somehow i doubt even with source available it will be possible to support fglrx :0 |
| 11:27.51 | stew | and then send one to intel saying "please put your graphics chips on add-in cards as well" |
| 11:27.51 | [TheFlash] | by slowly i mean one line per year :) |
| 11:28.01 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: can you figure out why it works tometimes, and fails others? |
| 11:28.14 | abrotman | stew: supposedly they were working on that at one time .. project dead now :( |
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| 11:28.38 | edakiri | For an ATA disk with 4KB sector size and 512B logical sector size, how can one change the logical sector size to match the physical? |
| 11:28.38 | [TheFlash] | maybe I should try to resolve my issue with the open source drivers and use them instead... |
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| 11:28.52 | txomon|home | I am having a problem with the business card installer in an old computer, the screen displays totally uncentered, I can see part of the bottom in the top of the screen and part of the right in the left |
| 11:28.54 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: what is your video card ? |
| 11:29.03 | [TheFlash] | abrotman: ATI Radeon HD 4250 |
| 11:29.03 | mjt | edakiri: it is physical drive property |
| 11:29.30 | mjt | edakiri: you change it by changing drive firmware |
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| 11:29.46 | [TheFlash] | the open source drivers say direct rendering is working, but compiz insists it doesn't and won't load |
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| 11:30.08 | mjt | well, compiz works with radeon driver for a very long time already |
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| 11:30.17 | mjt | but probably not on squeeze |
| 11:30.22 | ramspandu | abrotman: the chip set belongs to atheros |
| 11:30.35 | [TheFlash] | mjt: yes, the one in squeeze is too old |
| 11:30.38 | abrotman | ramspandu: so it's ath5k or ath9k likely |
| 11:30.57 | ramspandu | do i have a way to find it out? |
| 11:30.59 | [TheFlash] | mjt: if i try to install the one from backports it tries to install the entire xorg server from backports |
| 11:31.12 | mjt | [TheFlash]: that isn't bad at all |
| 11:31.14 | abrotman | ramspandu: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 11:31.26 | mjt | [TheFlash]: xorg in backports is in quite good shape |
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| 11:31.56 | ramspandu | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 11:32.57 | abrotman | ramspandu: if you "lspci -k" is there a driver for your wifi card? |
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| 11:35.20 | ramspandu | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge DRAM Controller (rev 09) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2017 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2017 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Cougar Point HECI Controller #1 (rev 04) Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2017 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Int |
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| 11:35.46 | ramspandu | abrotman: there is no such wifi driver |
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| 11:36.04 | ramspandu | I have pasted the output in #flood |
| 11:36.16 | ramspandu | abrotman: I have pasted the output in #flood |
| 11:37.11 | ompaul | ramspandu: you can't use #flood and tell people after - you should use http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:37.20 | ompaul | ramspandu: what's done is done in #flood |
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| 11:37.42 | abrotman | ramspandu: you have to tell us before you use #flood :) |
| 11:38.12 | ramspandu | ok, sorry for the mistake |
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| 11:38.18 | abrotman | ramspandu: i'm there now if you want to paste again |
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| 11:38.50 | ramspandu | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/172516/ this is the link for the output |
| 11:39.43 | txomon|home | so anyone any idea? |
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| 11:40.14 | abrotman | txomon|home: are you in the installer or the actual OS ? |
| 11:40.22 | txomon|home | nope |
| 11:40.34 | ksuhku | lol |
| 11:40.45 | txomon|home | I am in front of a grub rescue terminal |
| 11:40.57 | wuffi600 | xand: i have applied my patches to debian/build/source-* |
| 11:41.07 | wuffi600 | xand: i have applied my patches to debian/build/source-*-none. |
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| 11:41.22 | abrotman | txomon|home: what kind of monitor? |
| 11:41.28 | ramspandu | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/172516/ this is the link for the output |
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| 11:41.30 | abrotman | ramspandu: so the device is USB? |
| 11:41.31 | wuffi600 | xand: how can i make changes to the config? make menuconfig and create a -config? |
| 11:41.41 | wuffi600 | xand: how can i make changes to the config? make menuconfig and create a ".config" file? |
| 11:41.50 | ramspandu | abrotman: yes. it is a usb device |
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| 11:41.56 | abrotman | ramspandu: sorry, missed that above ... |
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| 11:42.51 | abrotman | ramspandu: /msg dpkg bpo .. install a backport kernel .. read the instructions there |
| 11:42.54 | txomon|home | abrotman, is a laptop |
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| 11:43.13 | abrotman | txomon|home: and you can't continue without fixing it ? |
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| 11:45.06 | txomon|home | abrotman, I can't see the options the installer gave me http://retrohard.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/uniwill-asus-n340s8.jpg |
| 11:45.11 | txomon|home | that is the laptop |
| 11:46.43 | abrotman | that's not a helpful picture :) |
| 11:46.57 | abrotman | txomon|home: generally, hit enter til it asks you a question |
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| 11:47.25 | txomon|home | I am going to try to install once more |
| 11:47.43 | txomon|home | but I need to see the screen ok (I am using curses install, not graphical one) |
| 11:47.56 | ramspandu | abrotman: i missed the last message from yopu |
| 11:48.03 | abrotman | ramspandu: /msg dpkg bpo .. install a backport kernel .. read the instructions there |
| 11:48.26 | ramspandu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.33 | ramspandu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.36 | ramspandu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:49.06 | r4co0n | Hello. Apparently I cant get exim4 to work on my own. Installing on a squeeze vserver with exim4-daemon-heavy, since I plan on clamav and spamassassin integration. I had exim4 already running in a similir config, but now I cant manage to connect to port 25 SMTP from remote hosts, Connection closed by remote host immediately. I flushed iptables and double-checked I accept mail from everywhere to exim4. Any idea what could cause this? Other remote conne |
| 11:49.06 | r4co0n | ctions to the server are working. |
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| 11:49.15 | babilen | ramspandu: Now do it without a space in at the beginning |
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| 11:50.47 | abrotman | ramspandu: got it ? |
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| 11:51.04 | colun | Hello, I am looking for some information to set up a public domain (@domain.com) and a subdomain "private" (@cst.domain@com) with a restriction so he can send emails to addresses the public domain. This subdomain should also receive email addresses from the public domain. If possible all on the same installation of postfix. Thank you |
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| 11:53.38 | colun | it's (@cst.domain.com) not (@cst.domain@com) |
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| 11:55.13 | ramspandu | abrotman: i am new to debian. i did not inderstand what to install |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | ramspandu: there are instructions at backports.debian.org |
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| 12:00.37 | jmd | How do I change mz kezboard lazout_ |
| 12:01.03 | jmd | I want a US kezboard. |
| 12:01.33 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 12:01.33 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 12:02.09 | jmd | I dont want it permanantlz changed. Onlz for this session. |
| 12:02.16 | stew | i'm going to guess he's using azerty |
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| 12:02.36 | stew | jmd: setxkbmap us |
| 12:02.38 | jmd | Also, I want it to work for the console. Not onlz for X. |
| 12:03.11 | tremon | stew: qwertz seems more likely :) |
| 12:03.20 | stew | oh, right |
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| 12:04.46 | jmd | T |
| 12:04.57 | jmd | stew: Thanks. |
| 12:04.58 | stew | i don't even know where the console keymaps are anymore |
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| 12:05.29 | abrotman | i don't think they've moved |
| 12:05.40 | jmd | setxkbmap seems to have done the job, but crashed my window manager. |
| 12:05.43 | jmd | T |
| 12:05.51 | abrotman | T |
| 12:06.01 | stew | jmd: file a bug! T |
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| 12:06.27 | jmd | If I can reproduce it, I will. |
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| 12:32.20 | jjeixe | hello. Do you know in what pakage is cc1objplus ? |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | !tell jjeixe about apt-file |
| 12:32.36 | nsadmin | objectivec compiler? |
| 12:33.06 | nsadmin | , file cc1objplus |
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| 12:33.10 | judd | Search for cc1objplus in squeeze/i386: gobjc++-4.3: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/cc1objplus; gobjc++-4.4: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4/cc1objplus |
| 12:33.32 | jjeixe | and in testing? |
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| 12:33.39 | abrotman | jjeixe: use apt-file and find out |
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| 12:34.40 | jjeixe | ok, I will try |
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| 12:40.18 | jjeixe | Thanks, worked. One last question, how can I install intel gma 950 drivers? |
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| 12:40.41 | abrotman | jjeixe: aptitude install xorg |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | jjeixe: should be pulled in as part of that metapackage |
| 12:41.23 | jjeixe | only with that? |
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| 12:42.10 | nsadmin | yeah, the drivers are depended upon by that pkg |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | jjeixe: you might want to add a Display Manager or Window Manager .. but yes, that will pull those drivers |
| 12:42.48 | abrotman | jjeixe: DM is something like xdm/gdm/kdm .. WM (or DE) is like gnome/kde/openbox/ratpoison .. etc |
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| 12:43.15 | jjeixe | ok, thanks for help. goodbye :D |
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| 12:49.40 | buckfast | Guten tag! |
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| 12:50.17 | buckfast | Can you tell me if radeonhd driver supports fan control of a R700 graphics card under Debian squeeze? |
| 12:51.19 | tremon | buckfast: radeonhd? |
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| 12:51.37 | [TheFlash] | i solved the problem |
| 12:51.41 | tremon | and reason why you're using that instead of radeon? |
| 12:51.46 | tremon | s/and/any/ |
| 12:51.53 | [TheFlash] | there was nothing wrong with fglrx |
| 12:51.59 | [TheFlash] | LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT was set by compiz |
| 12:52.13 | nsadmin | what did that cause? |
| 12:52.23 | tremon | muses that there are many things wrong with fglrx |
| 12:52.25 | LaptopBrain | im having a bit of trouble migrating exim4 from freebsd to debian |
| 12:52.33 | [TheFlash] | well, opengl programs used indirect rendering instead |
| 12:52.42 | buckfast | tremon: I'm not using neither of them atm, but I mean the default graphics drivers that come with squeeze for the radeon hd4870 |
| 12:52.46 | LaptopBrain | i have a working config in freebsd that i dont really want to change, that is just one file. debian has many files in a conf.d that dont look much like exim config |
| 12:52.48 | nsadmin | LaptopBrain, exim4 is already in debian |
| 12:53.03 | LaptopBrain | nsadmin: i dont mean the program, im having trouble translating my config |
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| 12:53.25 | LaptopBrain | isnt there some way i can just have it use my existing config, that is for the same version? |
| 12:53.31 | [TheFlash] | i added "unset LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT" to my .bashrc |
| 12:53.31 | nsadmin | isn't your config just a text file? |
| 12:53.39 | [TheFlash] | it's working fine now |
| 12:53.58 | wook | hello, i am new to under core linux...and i want to track some events on /dev/input/pwrbutton via cat, so how to get this events in hex? |
| 12:54.00 | nsadmin | [TheFlash], great! how did you find that that was the problem? |
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| 12:54.45 | tremon | buckfast: ok, that should be the radeon driver, and there appears to be no way to control the fan speed (a fan profile is loaded by the card's bios) |
| 12:55.27 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: someone from #ati helped me |
| 12:55.36 | nsadmin | oh, cool :) |
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| 12:56.06 | tremon | buckfast: you might be able to get a more definitive answer on #radeon (oss driver channel) |
| 12:56.25 | [TheFlash] | the open source driver doesn't support xvba :( |
| 12:56.30 | buckfast | tremon: thanks, I'll ask there then |
| 12:56.41 | raptor67682 | do we need to open all those ports to do outbound voip ? http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Enable_port_forwarding_manually |
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| 12:57.08 | themill | [TheFlash]: in what way was compiz setting that variable? (fglrx is known to set it incorrectly) |
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| 12:57.54 | [TheFlash] | themill: really? |
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| 12:58.02 | [TheFlash] | themill: is there any way to fix that? |
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| 13:01.05 | themill | [TheFlash]: fglrx drops crap in /etc/profile.d that has caused issues in the past. (Not that specific variable though) |
| 13:01.44 | [TheFlash] | themill: i checked /proc/<pid>/environ for some processes, only compiz and gnome-terminal have LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT |
| 13:01.57 | [TheFlash] | and bash |
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| 13:02.25 | vvcoder | /c/bufcle |
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| 13:03.12 | wook | ok, thanx :| :S |
| 13:03.24 | tremon | [TheFlash]: isn't that normal? I mean, if you use compiz as WM, then naturally all opengl will be re-rendered through compiz (hence, indirect rendering) |
| 13:03.48 | [TheFlash] | tremon: it's causing A LOT of problems |
| 13:04.05 | tremon | that doesn't preclude the "it's normal" case... |
| 13:04.06 | [TheFlash] | tremon: with indirect rendering, opengl programs are completely unusable on my machine |
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| 13:06.42 | [TheFlash] | hmm... looks like this happens ONLY to gnome-terminal |
| 13:06.55 | [TheFlash] | when i start xterm from compiz it uses direct rendering |
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| 13:07.21 | tremon | [TheFlash]: same shell in g-t and xterm? |
| 13:07.26 | [TheFlash] | tremon: yes |
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| 13:07.49 | tremon | weird... |
| 13:08.10 | [TheFlash] | tremon: the enviornment variable gets set in the terminal emulator, not in the shell |
| 13:08.21 | valerie | I am using Brasero to burn debian-live .iso image about 600MB to a blank CD 700MB. Brasero says to replace the disk with a supported CD. Do I need to use any particular CD? |
| 13:08.25 | tremon | so it seems... |
| 13:08.34 | [TheFlash] | /proc/`pidof gnome-terminal`/environ has LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT |
| 13:09.52 | [TheFlash] | tremon: maybe it's because of the transparent background? |
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| 13:10.49 | tremon | that would be very weird, because g-t's transparent background should have no effect on other windowed apps, even if started from g-t. But it couldn't hurt to turn it off and see what happens |
| 13:11.11 | nsadmin | I have a laptop that's a little unusual, in that it has a sata internal drive and possibly a sata cdrom... the existing udev rules don't seem to detect it, and so the group for it is floppy... |
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| 13:11.55 | [TheFlash] | tremon: disabling transparency also removed LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT |
| 13:12.00 | [TheFlash] | mystery solved |
| 13:12.46 | [TheFlash] | tremon: no wait a sec, i forgot to remove the unset line from my .bashrc |
| 13:13.00 | ratatata | nu |
| 13:13.05 | tremon | [TheFlash]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktop-effects/+bug/137388/comments/4 ? |
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| 13:14.56 | [TheFlash] | tremon: well, at least that means fglrx is working fine |
| 13:16.36 | [TheFlash] | thanks for the help, everyone |
| 13:16.42 | [TheFlash] | bye |
| 13:16.47 | nsadmin | [TheFlash], when you removed that and started x again after removing it (the unset line), does your ... |
| 13:17.06 | nsadmin | fglrx still not set the var? |
| 13:17.30 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: i didn't remove the unset line |
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| 13:17.58 | [TheFlash] | however, now that LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT will always be unset, there should be no problems |
| 13:19.16 | tremon | [TheFlash]: note that it will only be unset for things you start via a terminal. If you start if through a compiz keybinding, it will still have it set |
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| 13:19.37 | [TheFlash] | tremon: the only thing i start with the compiz keybinding is the terminal |
| 13:19.41 | tremon | ) |
| 13:19.44 | tremon | :) |
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| 13:20.01 | kaneda^ | hello all, i have a dpkg --get-selections saved, but i just realized it includes all the gnome and xserver stuff |
| 13:20.11 | kaneda^ | is there any way to safely prune this list of the graphical stuffs? |
| 13:20.37 | nsadmin | if you take the unset out (or just uncomment it) and log out/log in and check for the var and find it still not set, the result follows |
| 13:20.40 | kaneda^ | (obviously aside from manually) |
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| 13:21.07 | themill | kaneda^: I've run that output through grep -v in the past ... |
| 13:21.35 | kaneda^ | themill, and is that safe? just to do a clear and then set | grep -vi xserver | grep vi gnome |
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| 13:22.00 | tremon | kaneda^: grep or sed //d will work, but it's not safe in the sense that other programs might have broken dependencies |
| 13:22.20 | kaneda^ | yah but if they're broken will apt give me the choice not to install them? |
| 13:22.31 | themill | kaneda^: apt will sort out the broken dependencies for you |
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| 13:22.39 | kaneda^ | i <3 apt |
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| 13:23.23 | kaneda^ | ok, so in that case, is xserver and gnome enough? |
| 13:24.36 | kaneda^ | i'll just give it a shot ;) thanks guys |
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| 13:52.29 | curiousgeorge | what is the proper method to provide feedback? |
| 13:52.47 | curiousgeorge | specifically about the installation process |
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| 13:53.33 | tremon | curiousgeorge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas04.html.en |
| 13:54.12 | curiousgeorge | tremon: thanks! |
| 13:54.22 | nsadmin | curiousgeorge, curious to know what you think about the install |
| 13:54.51 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: I had a really rough time, in the end I didn't succeed |
| 13:55.36 | nsadmin | sorrry to hear that... did you want support? |
| 13:56.04 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: Thanks, but I had so many issues I think I'll give it a rest for awhile :/ |
| 13:56.21 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: I tried playing around in the live environment but it suddenly hard shut-off my computer. |
| 13:56.26 | tremon | curiousgeorge: if you simply need to vent, there's always #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 13:57.04 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: So then I figured 'meh', I'll just go straight to install. But it said it couldn't find a mirror even though configuring dhcpc got configured right. |
| 13:57.24 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: When it came to install a boot loader it failed installing GRUB and LILO |
| 13:57.49 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: So then rather than the live CD I tried installing using the iso from the CD set |
| 13:58.16 | nsadmin | ok, thanks for letting me know... |
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| 13:58.41 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: That install actually finished but I couldn't boot Gnome. When I entered my password the screen went black then brought me back to the login screen in a loop. |
| 13:59.28 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: I killed gnome-settings-daemon and tried startx myself but that didn't work either, but maybe it's not supposed to. |
| 14:00.21 | nsadmin | I don't have resources right now for trying to figure out what's going on... inasmuch as you want to give it a rest, would you want to come back here to see what could be done in (say) a few days? |
| 14:00.24 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: I know my password was correct since I could log in from console. That was everything, thanks. |
| 14:00.43 | buckfast | that reminds me, would you recommend installing debian with kde desktop by using the 1st DVD, the live disc or some other method? |
| 14:00.51 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: Sure, I'd especially like to give the live environment a good run through. |
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| 14:01.25 | tremon | buckfast: I always use netinst (but with adequate pipe and local cacher) |
| 14:01.27 | buckfast | curiousgeorge: Have you tryed opensuse? |
| 14:01.27 | okcx_ | buckfast, I'd recommend you to use netinstall |
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| 14:01.57 | buckfast | netinstall installs gnome by default |
| 14:01.58 | curiousgeorge | buckfast: No, not yet. |
| 14:02.02 | nsadmin | curiousgeorge, you had so much problems with the live env that if it were me helping, I'd want to go another direction |
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| 14:02.29 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: ok, that's fair. |
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| 14:03.11 | nsadmin | so maybe when you're rested, and have ruled out hardware problems as the cause |
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| 14:03.53 | nsadmin | for example I would want you to run memtest86 for an hour or tw |
| 14:04.15 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: That I can do. If you give me some things to try I can come back and report. |
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| 14:05.44 | nsadmin | one thing, if you are able to boot a live cd, the output of lspci -nn would be handy |
| 14:06.03 | tremon | I'd also recommend trying the installer/system with noapic noacpi on the kernel command line |
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| 14:06.33 | nsadmin | if you get your network set up, you could paste it to somewhere like maste.debian.net |
| 14:06.39 | nsadmin | paste |
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| 14:06.41 | buckfast | the graphical netinstall doesn't seem to offer kde desktop |
| 14:06.43 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: I'll do that for you now. |
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| 14:06.52 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: I'm running another distro atm |
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| 14:07.34 | curiousgeorge | tremon: ok, thanks. |
| 14:07.35 | nsadmin | buckfast, install the base, reboot, make sure net (ping yahoo.com or something), install kde |
| 14:08.05 | jensp | hey there, I installed Debian 6.0.5 i386 with a luks-encrypted root partition and lvm setup on top of that. However when I boot the system it doesn't ask for my luks password but tries to activate the lvm volumes |
| 14:08.22 | jensp | those obviously aren't there yet and boot fails - any ideas what I could have missed? |
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| 14:09.23 | buckfast | nsadmin: would you recommend stable or testing for an every-day desktop computer? |
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| 14:09.34 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/5aj4ryFN |
| 14:09.56 | tremon | jensp: sounds like the initramfs didn't get the cryptsetup part. Your setup should be correct, although I haven't run that on squeeze myself. Can you try a rescue environment (e.g. your install disc) and run update-initramfs from there? |
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| 14:10.41 | nsadmin | buckfast, if you're new to debian, stick with stable (so that other issues don't hit you in the face so much) |
| 14:11.38 | nsadmin | if you're ok with finding and solving problems that come up, then you could try something else if what you want is newer software |
| 14:11.56 | jensp | tremon: when the boot fails I get to a initramfs shell in which I can run cryptsetup and lvchange, after exiting the shell the systems boots. Shall I simply run "update-initramfs -u"? |
| 14:13.00 | tremon | jensp: yes, that's also a solution. But if you can run cryptsetup from the initramfs prompt, there's obviously nothing wrong with the initramfs... |
| 14:13.12 | valerie | I am trying to get Linux work on laptop that has windows. I have debian-live-rescue.iso on CD. Can I use it to solve the booting problem with Linux? |
| 14:13.30 | jensp | tremon: yeah I assume it's missing some boot parameter or something like that? |
| 14:13.55 | tremon | probably. check out /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz for starters |
| 14:14.10 | tremon | (hoping it's not a wheezy-only file) |
| 14:14.30 | tremon | valerie: that depends on what kind of booting problem, but generally, yes |
| 14:14.46 | nsadmin | valerie, I know stew helped you out before... probably the two of you have the biggest knowedge base built ujp |
| 14:15.00 | jensp | tremon: ah that looks helpful, thanks a lot! |
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| 14:16.57 | tremon | jensp: check your kernel command line, if it says root=UUID= then the cryptsetup part of the initramfs won't trigger (iirc) |
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| 14:18.10 | valerie | tremon, the installed linux starts booting saying "loading please wait and then screen turns black and white . Now I booted from live CD and have choicessuch as Live, LIve failsafe, Text install, text expert and so on . What should I choose? |
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| 14:19.17 | tremon | valerie: use live |
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| 14:20.51 | jensp | tremon: hmm apparently my /etc/crypttab was empty. I just added "cryptroot /dev/sda5 none luks" but when I run update-initramfs -u I get warning about crypttab being invalid |
| 14:20.57 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: was the psate of any use? |
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| 14:23.56 | jelly-home | jensp: can you pastebin the output of "hexdump -C /etc/crypttab"? Did you use tabs or spaces for delimiters? |
| 14:24.03 | tremon | jensp: odd, that line should be correct. No weird markers? is it in the system encoding? |
| 14:24.09 | buckfast | is qtcurve the nicest gtk frontend available for squeeze right now? |
| 14:24.26 | tremon | jelly-home: cool, reading hexdumps :) |
| 14:24.29 | valerie | tremon, I am at user@debian, I am not exactly sure which way to go about . Maybe find /boot/grub/stage1 ? |
| 14:24.54 | jelly-home | jensp: bsdmainutils package needs to be installed for hexdump |
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| 14:26.25 | tremon | valerie: you need to mount your original linux system (all partitions), e.g. on /mnt, then chroot into it. Have you done that before? |
| 14:27.05 | pats_Toms | I got libncursesw.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Any ideas why? |
| 14:27.08 | valerie | tremon, no , I have not |
| 14:27.21 | tremon | valerie: also, re your original problem: did it freeze? Did the bootloader menu show up correctly? Have you tried running the fallback mode? how far did the system go if you removed "quiet" from the command line? |
| 14:27.55 | jelly-home | jensp: fwiw, single spaces as delimiters work here. Tabs ought to work given the /etc/*tab convention, but who knows |
| 14:28.01 | tremon | valerie: ok, do you know on which partition linux is installed? (e.g. /dev/sda1) |
| 14:28.36 | jensp | jelly-home: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?50662&download |
| 14:29.24 | jensp | I just tried with cryptopts=target=root,source=/dev/sda5 as a kernel argument, the partition is opened by cryptsetup, but only *after* lvm is run, so boot still fails |
| 14:29.38 | jelly-home | jensp: you have two tabs between "/dev/sda5" and "none", try with exactly one |
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| 14:30.12 | jelly-home | also between "none" and "luks" |
| 14:31.04 | valerie | tremon, I couldn't use recovery mode of linux. I remember that /dev/sda1,sda2 and sda3 had ntfs and I think linux was installed on /dev/sda5 |
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| 14:31.51 | jensp | jelly-home: I still get cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab - |
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| 14:32.21 | tremon | valerie: can you paste the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda on paste.debian.net? use sudo if necessary |
| 14:32.30 | tremon | jensp: does /dev/sda5 exist? |
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| 14:33.15 | jensp | tremon: yep |
| 14:33.35 | tremon | weird... |
| 14:33.54 | fasta | Is there some document which explains how to upgrade PostgreSQL on Debian Stable to some version 9? |
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| 14:34.11 | fasta | And by that I don't mean some half-assed instructions, but something which is rock solid. |
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| 14:35.01 | jelly-home | fasta: how much are you prepared to pay for such instructions? |
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| 14:35.28 | xand | install it from backports? |
| 14:35.31 | fasta | jelly-home: how much do you want? |
| 14:36.22 | jelly-home | fasta: I don't deal with Pg, but a friend does. I suspect not less than $100/hr |
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| 14:36.39 | jelly-home | ,versions postgresql |
| 14:36.40 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+130~bpo60+2; sid: 9.1+130; wheezy: 9.1+130 |
| 14:36.43 | tremon | faste: what's half-assed about /usr/share/doc/postgresql-*/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:36.55 | jelly-home | and oh look, 9.1 in squeeze-backports |
| 14:37.04 | themill | rattles the #debian tip jar |
| 14:37.18 | valerie | tremon, I have windows on /dev/sda1,2 and 3, Linux on on sda5 and swap on sda6. sda4 is extended |
| 14:37.22 | jelly-home | themill: where's the link! <g> |
| 14:37.25 | fasta | jelly-home: that doesn't mean that it automatically upgrades all existing databases. |
| 14:37.36 | fasta | jelly-home: perhaps it does, perhaps it doesn't. |
| 14:37.57 | fasta | tremon: also, which readme is that? For 8.4 or 9? |
| 14:38.21 | themill | fasta: perhaps you could try it and see. |
| 14:38.21 | fasta | jelly-home: if it takes hours to fix this, then it means 'your friend' is not worthy the money. |
| 14:38.26 | tremon | tremon: either, look for the section "Default clusters and upgrading" |
| 14:38.33 | fasta | worth* |
| 14:38.57 | jelly-home | fasta: have you even done a minor or major upgrade of Pg packaging in Debian? There's a fairly nontrivial procedure that sets up a copy of old binaries and does the upgrade of data. |
| 14:39.16 | fasta | jelly-home: I have seen the instructions once. |
| 14:39.30 | jelly-home | hah |
| 14:39.41 | valerie | tremon, do you still want me to do the paste? |
| 14:39.53 | tremon | valerie: mount /dev/sda5 /mnt ; for mp in /dev /sys /proc ; do mount --bind $mp /mnt$mp ; done |
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| 14:39.59 | fasta | jelly-home: I would say if it involves more than pressing one command named 'upgrade' that someone didn't do his job. |
| 14:40.07 | jensp | yay, I got it to work :) |
| 14:40.07 | tremon | valerie: if you're sure about sda5, paste isn't necessary |
| 14:40.27 | tremon | jensp: I'm curious, what was it? |
| 14:40.27 | themill | fasta: we look forward to you providing us with the necessary upgrade script. kthxbye |
| 14:40.43 | jensp | tremon: cryptopts=target=root,source=/dev/sda5,lvm=vg-root |
| 14:41.02 | jensp | the lvm parameter apparently makes it run lvm *after* decrypting the partition |
| 14:41.29 | curiousgeorge | nsadmin: was that paste at all useful? |
| 14:42.05 | tremon | jensp: meh, it's not the recommended approach but if it works I'm not complaining :) |
| 14:42.22 | tremon | curious why you'd need a volume group for the root fs though... |
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| 14:42.47 | tremon | valerie: if that command succeeded, you should now have your complete linux system mounted on /mnt |
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| 14:42.57 | jelly-home | fasta: so I gather you don't want an expert to write that command for you? It's not present by default. |
| 14:43.00 | tremon | tremon: change into it by using chroot /mnt |
| 14:43.32 | tremon | jelly-home: whatever you do, don't mention pg_upgradecluster :) |
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| 14:43.38 | fasta | jelly-home: I would say it's economical insanity to not provide such a command. |
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| 14:43.47 | jelly-home | tremon: you've already mentioned it |
| 14:43.56 | valerie | tremon, I did the first command and do not quite understand the 2nd one . Do I start with "for" ? |
| 14:44.15 | fasta | tremon: that document doesn't even define what a cluster is. |
| 14:44.38 | fasta | tremon: postgresql is just a program, there is no need to invent all kinds of terminology. |
| 14:44.40 | themill | fasta: it would be a shame to read the postgres documentation, wouldn't it |
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| 14:44.51 | tremon | valerie: it's just shorthand, you can paste the entire line in your terminal, or do it manually: mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev , repeat for /sys and /proc |
| 14:45.00 | fasta | themill: proper documentation would be hyperlinked or have references. |
| 14:45.13 | fasta | themill: it's a thing you learn at secondary school. |
| 14:45.46 | fasta | themill: and yes, I can read the documentation; doesn't mean they are still doing it wrong. |
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| 14:46.02 | fasta | still not doing it wrong* |
| 14:46.04 | tremon | fasta: try man initdb for what a cluster is |
| 14:46.10 | themill | fasta: and I still look forward to (a) less ranting from you and (b) your patches. |
| 14:46.18 | tremon | fasta: or buy the postgres manual |
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| 14:48.31 | valerie | tremon, I am somewhat confused. After sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt, I should type sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev ? |
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| 14:49.55 | jelly-home | fasta: I'm getting mixed messages. Do you want an "upgrade" tool, should I get a quote or not? It's going to be a really fancy wrapper around pg_upgradecluster, but worth the price if you can't make it on your own. |
| 14:50.01 | tremon | valerie: yes, and do the same for /proc and /sys. These directories must contain valid data, otherwise the rest of the process won't work correctly |
| 14:51.19 | fasta | jelly-home: I will be able to make it on my own just fine. It's just that I would like to have some more information on the kind of properties that the pg*upgrade tool provides. |
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| 14:52.36 | lynks | why would "modprobe fglrx" be returning "module fglrx not found" after a successful "apt-get install fglrx" ? |
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| 14:54.04 | jelly-home | lynks: uh, there's no package named just "fglrx" in Debian, are you sure that's the command you ran? Can you provide the exact command its full output perhaps? |
| 14:54.14 | valerie | tremon, the third command is sudo mount --bind /dev /proc/dev ? |
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| 14:54.40 | lynks | jelly-home: sorry, i ran "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver" |
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| 14:54.54 | tremon | valerie: ah, I understand the confusion. no, it's mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc |
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| 14:55.42 | lynks | jelly-home: it appears to go through fine, but "find | grep fglrx" returns nothing when run in /lib/modules |
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| 14:56.16 | jelly-home | lynks: can you provide the output? |
| 14:56.29 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lynks about fglrx dkms |
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| 14:56.36 | lynks | jelly-home: from the apt-get install? |
| 14:56.42 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 14:57.28 | jelly-home | lynks: linux-headers-$(uname -r) package needs to be installed for the kernel module part to be built |
| 14:58.06 | jelly-home | build-essential too, I guess |
| 14:58.10 | valerie | tremon, I typed the four commands and after each command I am back to user@debian |
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| 14:58.42 | tremon | valerie: good, then sudo chroot /mnt |
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| 14:59.18 | tremon | valerie: inside the system, run update-grub and update-initramfs -u |
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| 14:59.25 | lynks | jelly-home: yeah i may have done things in a slightly odd order, i have a different debian install that works fine on this same machine with fglrx. from building that system i discovered that i needed the backports fglrx (the squeeze-main one wasnt working) i am also running a backports kernel (3.2) because i have an sata ssd hdd, which wasnt being detected on the normal installers |
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| 15:01.16 | lynks | jelly-home: output after doing an apt-get remove, apt-get install of fglrx-driver: http://pastebin.com/aDVcSX68 |
| 15:02.24 | lynks | jelly-home: weirdly, i have fglrx set in my xorg.conf, and gdm starts up without complaining, but it flickers and runs slow (it does neither of these on the other install) |
| 15:03.11 | jelly-home | lynks: are build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 15:03.48 | tremon | lynks: dpkg -L fglrx-driver |
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| 15:04.16 | valerie | tremon, I did all commands. After the last command the message possible missing firmware /lib/firmwarertl_nic/rt........, and I am at root |
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| 15:04.34 | lynks | jelly-home: yes, both are installed |
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| 15:05.23 | lynks | tremon: cant find -L in the dpkg man page, whats it do? |
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| 15:06.18 | themill | lynks: -L, --listfiles package-name... List files installed to your system from package-name. |
| 15:06.30 | lynks | themill: ahh thanks |
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| 15:07.09 | jelly-home | wonders why there's only a backport in amd64 and not i386 |
| 15:07.10 | tremon | missing firmware for your network card will be an issue later on, but it should not cause your system not to boot. If that was the only message, and your bootloader did load correctly, you're done. reboot and try again |
| 15:07.48 | tremon | valerie: ^^ |
| 15:07.59 | jelly-home | lynks: huh. What does "dkms status" say? |
| 15:08.33 | lynks | fglrx, 12-3: added |
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| 15:09.43 | lynks | perhaps i should start again, making sure i do everything in the right order. like i say, i have a working install on this kernel+hardware...i must have done something stupid |
| 15:09.54 | pats_Toms | hi, anyone know something about libncursesw.so.5 ? I got error that I need him, but I realy don´t know where is the problem... |
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| 15:10.22 | mjt | error from where/what? |
| 15:10.26 | jelly-home | lynks: and what happens if you "dkms install -m fglrx -v 12-3 -k $(uname -r)"? |
| 15:10.29 | tremon | valerie: you probably need the firmware-realtek package for your network card |
| 15:11.06 | pats_Toms | mjt, I got that error when started mtasa server... |
| 15:11.25 | mjt | i've no idea what it is |
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| 15:11.42 | lynks | jelly-home: about 20 lines of output, building module, build completed...and now "modprobe fglrx" doesnt complain! |
| 15:11.46 | valerie | tremon, I am trying to shutdown or reboot. I am using shutdown -r and doesn't seem to work |
| 15:12.08 | lynks | attempts to restart gdm |
| 15:12.14 | tremon | valerie: are you still chroot'ed in your real system? exit it first |
| 15:12.15 | jhutchins | valerie: shutdown -r now |
| 15:12.15 | craigevil | valerie, reboot |
| 15:12.26 | pats_Toms | mjt, it´s ok ;D |
| 15:13.00 | tremon | valerie: alternatively, use the shutdown command of your livecd |
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| 15:14.40 | lynks | jelly-home: that appears to have worked, many thanks :) |
| 15:14.57 | valerie | tremon, I still have live CD in and at root. i used "reboot, shutdown-r now and I am getting 'no such file or directory |
| 15:15.09 | lynks | i had to do a reboot, as i previously wasnt able to change video modes (so restarting gdm just killed all monitor output) |
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| 15:16.11 | tremon | valerie: which livecd are you using? Doesn't the graphical environment have a logout/shutdown button? |
| 15:16.31 | lynks | fglrx loaded, no flickering, fast window moving, and ability to access the ttys. excellent. so the module hadnt been built? |
| 15:16.57 | tremon | lynks: it might have been built for the wrong kernel |
| 15:17.51 | valerie | tremon, there is no graphical environment. I am using debian-live-6.0.4-amd64-rescue.iso |
| 15:17.53 | lynks | tremon: you might be right, i do have some suspicious entries in /lib/modules, 4 folders, all with the same kernel version, with slightly different postfixes |
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| 15:19.12 | jelly-home | lynks: I'm not sure why the package does not do it on its own. dpkg's instructions suggest X has to be stopped first, perhaps the package intentionally skips the dkms rebuild bit when X is running. Perhaps the backport is just a bit buggy |
| 15:19.23 | tremon | valerie: ok, if you really can't get it to reboot properly, then umount /mnt{/proc,/dev,/sys,} . Then it should be safe to just pull the plug (it's a live-cd after all) |
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| 15:20.15 | lynks | jelly-home: thanks for your help, im still getting to grips with modules, headers, builds and so forth. its mostly the last remaining thing that regularly stumps me |
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| 15:22.29 | valerie | tremon, I am getting /mnt/proc: not found |
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| 15:22.59 | tremon | valerie: are you still in the chroot then? try exiting first |
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| 15:27.56 | valerie | tremon, I exited and did sudo umount /mnt/proc and /dev and/sys . i am at user@debian |
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| 15:28.51 | tremon | valerie: try reboot again, otherwise umount /mnt and pull the plug |
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| 15:29.13 | lynks | thanks all, this channel is always a godsend |
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| 15:29.57 | yazdmich | im reinstalling debian |
| 15:30.17 | yazdmich | i want to keep the partitioning scheme |
| 15:30.23 | yazdmich | manual? |
| 15:31.12 | valerie | tremon, for 'reboot' I get command not found and for sudo umount /mnt , I get device is busy. Do I unplug? |
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| 15:32.07 | tremon | valerie: no, if you unplug while /mnt is still mounted you will damage the filesystem (however minimal). paste the output of grep mnt /proc/mounts |
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| 15:33.31 | xand | yazdmich: yes. |
| 15:33.45 | xand | but you probably want it to tell it to format at least / ... |
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| 15:36.25 | valerie | tremon, /dev/sda5 /mnt ext4 rw, relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 none /mnt/dev devtmpfs rw, relatime, size=1755288k,nr_inodes=438822,mode+755 0 0 |
| 15:37.04 | yazdmich | it will still reformat, but keep what file system was there |
| 15:37.08 | yazdmich | correct? |
| 15:37.10 | tremon | valerie: umount /mnt/dev before unmounting /mnt again |
| 15:37.16 | yazdmich | oh |
| 15:37.20 | yazdmich | it won't format |
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| 15:38.02 | pats_Toms | I need libncursesw.so.5, anyone know where I can get it? I think it is somewhere in debian usr/lib32 directory |
| 15:38.40 | yazdmich | ok |
| 15:39.15 | nvz | pats_Toms: what is your dpkg arch? |
| 15:39.33 | yazdmich | it says for / that it will keep the existing data, i go to edit that, it says it will reformat it, but then i go back and it sways it will keep what is there |
| 15:39.43 | yazdmich | same with everything else |
| 15:39.45 | tremon | pats_Toms: have you tried apt-cache search libncursesw ? |
| 15:39.49 | valerie | tremon, I did both commands. No message after 'umount /mnt' |
| 15:39.58 | pats_Toms | tremon, emm, no |
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| 15:40.10 | pats_Toms | tremon, how to do that? |
| 15:40.12 | tremon | valerie: good. then reboot or unplug |
| 15:40.15 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: what's your actual goal? |
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| 15:40.33 | nvz | if you answer my question I'd tell you.. duh.. however the package varies depending on architecture.. and is different even on different 64bit archs |
| 15:40.50 | pats_Toms | ou, I need 32 |
| 15:41.03 | nvz | pats_Toms: so dpkg-architecture says i386? |
| 15:41.05 | pats_Toms | i386 |
| 15:41.16 | yazdmich | erase data on this partition? |
| 15:41.21 | nvz | pats_Toms: apt-get install libncursesw5 |
| 15:41.42 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: even if it's "I need to run this Debian binary on some different distro", please state so as it will make it easier to provide help |
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| 15:43.23 | valerie | tremon, I did , but unfortunately I am getting black screen again with linux |
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| 15:43.32 | pats_Toms | My goal is to run 32bit soft on 64bit ubuntu server... To this I need that libreadline.so.5. |
| 15:43.49 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: which 32bit soft? |
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| 15:44.06 | pats_Toms | some server which have only 32bit version |
| 15:44.14 | tremon | valerie: same with recovery mode? |
| 15:44.22 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: dude, which software EXACTLY? |
| 15:44.41 | pats_Toms | mtasa |
| 15:44.55 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: can you provide the output of ldd /path/to/nonworking/binary? |
| 15:45.00 | valerie | tremon, yes same with recovery mode |
| 15:45.03 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 15:45.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:45.29 | pats_Toms | libncursesw.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:45.29 | pats_Toms | ERROR: Could not load ./core.so |
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| 15:46.06 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: that's not output of a ldd command. |
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| 15:46.21 | pats_Toms | ou, sry |
| 15:46.23 | themill | pats_Toms: your answers about which architecture you're talking about here have been quite inconsistent. |
| 15:46.34 | themill | pats_Toms: are you sure you don't want #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server? |
| 15:46.35 | nvz | indeed |
| 15:46.48 | pats_Toms | ok, I will go to #ubuntu-server :D |
| 15:46.51 | pats_Toms | it´s not problem |
| 15:46.57 | jelly-home | pats_Toms: you probably want to install ia32-libs-multiarch or ia32-libs, and ask in an appropriate channel |
| 15:48.08 | tremon | valerie: when black, does the system still respond to ctrl-alt-del or alt-sysrq-b ? |
| 15:49.21 | pats_Toms | yes, thanks jelly-home |
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| 15:51.08 | User_007 | Hello guys, i got some problems with my wireless card, and i need to change it from n to g mode in order to get it working with my router. |
| 15:51.21 | User_007 | how do i do that? |
| 15:52.45 | valerie | tremon, no. It responded once to ALT+s |
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| 15:55.16 | tremon | valerie: there's not much I can do from here then. a system freeze without output is impossible to debug across the 'net |
| 15:55.54 | valerie | tremon, thanks |
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| 15:57.17 | KerrickLong | Would I be able to get some assistance troubleshooting my debian squeeze installation, or is this the wrong place to ask? |
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| 16:01.43 | KerrickLong | Hello? |
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| 16:02.14 | themill | just ask |
| 16:02.42 | Delf | Trying to install Wheezy. I boot the dvd and choose graphical install and screen goes black computer freezes |
| 16:03.27 | tremon | Delf: then use the squeeze installer or try text mode |
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| 16:03.51 | User_007 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.21 | Delf | tremon: I've tried text mode, its the same. Squeeze works |
| 16:05.28 | LtL | User_007: it may be easier to login to your router and set it to mixed-mode or 802.11G. The router should be backwards compatible. |
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| 16:06.55 | tremon | Delf: the testing installer is really for development only, try #debian-next on oftc |
| 16:07.44 | User_007 | LtL, i don't have access to the router adm, and because some weird bug, if i connect in n-mode i get only 20kB/s on internet |
| 16:07.44 | Delf | tremon: I has to be invited to #debian-next |
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| 16:08.06 | tremon | not on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 16:08.07 | themill | Delf: wrong network |
| 16:08.24 | Delf | Oh, such a idiot :D |
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| 16:08.45 | tremon | btw there should be a #debian-boot channel there as well |
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| 16:09.43 | LtL | User_007: you may be missing a firmware package, personally I don't know how to change the device from n to g. |
| 16:09.55 | jhutchins_wk | We should set debian-next on freenode to that points to oftc.net do a motd and not allow posting. |
| 16:10.08 | User_007 | LtL, i already installed the firmware |
| 16:10.30 | jhutchins_wk | irssi in screen can have some odd effects... |
| 16:10.50 | LtL | User_007: check dmesg for information loading that device. |
| 16:10.55 | xispirito | works well in tmux |
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| 16:11.41 | themill | jhutchins_wk: that's already what it has |
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| 16:15.16 | tremon | User_007: there doesn't appear to be a way to force a specific 802.11 revision. But maybe iw set bitrates will help |
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| 16:18.36 | User_007 | tremon, thx |
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| 16:30.46 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Yeah, but nobody can see it because they can't join. |
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| 16:31.51 | themill | jhutchins_wk: orly... /topic #debian-next. |
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| 16:32.46 | themill | and muted channels just become a collection of spam bots and people /msg-ing each other. That is not a useful solution. |
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| 16:37.03 | jhutchins_wk | autokick. |
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| 16:38.25 | themill | all you have done is changed the problem from "I need an invite" into "zomg those buggers just kicked me straight away". Nice plan. |
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| 16:40.05 | themill | do you *really* think we haven't already spent time thinking about what the best way of doing this is? |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | we're stupid :( |
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| 16:41.53 | nevyn | irc needs a 302 redirect |
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| 16:46.43 | tharkun | Gentlemen I've setted up a cacher that is beeing used by quite some people. What would be a trip point on one arquitecture to take the step from cacher to mirror. And is it possible to be a mirror on some arquitectures and a cacher on others? |
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| 16:49.29 | tremon | anyone here have experience with systemd and nfs? I want to know why systemd doesn't mount rpc_pipefs while sysvinit does |
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| 16:51.47 | Oglarun | Hello @ all |
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| 16:53.47 | nevyn | tharkun: mirror almost never makes sense. |
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| 16:55.11 | nevyn | tharkun: mirror requires you keep up to date packages that no client has installed. |
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| 16:55.40 | tharkun | nevyn: I belive that if "download from debian server < upload to clients" then it is worth the effort. Actually at the momment I'm a bit low on the most populars, therefore my question |
| 16:56.14 | happydesign2 | good evening |
| 16:56.40 | happydesign2 | how can i start automatically xampp on debian?? |
| 16:56.53 | nevyn | tharkun: xampp? |
| 16:56.58 | nevyn | happydesign2: ^^ |
| 16:57.12 | happydesign2 | ehemm i meant lampp |
| 16:57.16 | happydesign2 | ^^ |
| 16:57.48 | nevyn | install the requisite components |
| 16:57.49 | Delf | Is it possible to have a server that will download updates and then my machines on the network download from that server? |
| 16:57.59 | nevyn | Delf: yes |
| 16:58.16 | Delf | So I don't have to download same thing over and over again for each machine |
| 16:58.25 | nevyn | !apt-cacher |
| 16:58.26 | dpkg | from memory, apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by <apt>. http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/ See also <apt-cacher-ng>, <approx>. |
| 16:59.12 | Delf | can this be used by aptitude too? |
| 16:59.18 | tharkun | yes |
| 16:59.24 | tremon | contrary to dpkg's assertion. apt-cacher prefers a disk-based cache over a ram-based one ;) |
| 16:59.46 | sacredchao | When I try and download a file with Chromium, nothing happens in the foreground, but a kdialog (I run KDE) process pops up in the background and nothing happens |
| 17:00.12 | tharkun | Delf: If the number of machines is beyond 10 then apt-cacher-ng is sensibly faster. |
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| 17:00.50 | Delf | tharkun: apt-cacher-ng is faster than apt-cacher if thhe number of machines is beyond 10? |
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| 17:01.44 | jennie | *is output please help in installing driver* |
| 17:01.46 | jennie | root@debian:~# apt-cache search fglrx |
| 17:01.48 | jennie | glx-alternative-fglrx - allows the selection of FGLRX as GLX provider |
| 17:01.51 | jennie | xserver-xorg-video-radeon - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver |
| 17:01.52 | tharkun | Delf: I feel it works faster. apt-cacher is perl apt-cacher-ng is C afaik |
| 17:02.39 | Delf | I see.. but C is faster than perl, if I'm not wrong but then again it deppends on how it's coded too. |
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| 17:03.17 | nevyn | a bad solution in C is slower than a good solution in perl |
| 17:03.30 | tharkun | Delf: apt-cache show apt-cacher and then apt-cache show apt-cacher-ng |
| 17:03.51 | nevyn | and for something that's mostly shuffling enormous blobs around it hardly matters |
| 17:03.55 | tharkun | seconds nevyn's corolary |
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| 17:05.04 | tharkun | Apt-Cacher NG has been designed from scratch as a replacement for apt-cacher, but with a focus on maximizing throughput with low system resource requirements. |
| 17:05.52 | tharkun | Maybe because my caching server is small i can feel the difference |
| 17:06.04 | nevyn | debian-keyring has gotten chubby |
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| 17:08.10 | nevyn | jennie: please describe the problem. |
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| 17:09.05 | Delf | tharkun: I work with slow machines, code using exessive resources is frustrating |
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| 17:11.41 | jennie | nevyn i am noob and installed Linux debian 3.2.0-2-686 and want to install display driver |
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| 17:14.04 | AptGetter | How do I do an "apt-get upgrade" but exclude certain packages? |
| 17:14.48 | tremon | AptGetter: once, or permanently? |
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| 17:15.04 | AptGetter | permanently |
| 17:15.15 | tremon | the magic word is apt pinning |
| 17:15.20 | AptGetter | thank you |
| 17:15.42 | nevyn | jennie: what video hardware do you have? |
| 17:15.46 | tremon | man apt_preferences will give you a start |
| 17:15.55 | AptGetter | tremon, yeah, on it :) |
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| 17:16.30 | jennie | ati radeon hd 6570 |
| 17:16.40 | AptGetter | tremon, beautiful. done and done. Thanks again |
| 17:16.42 | txomon|home | I am having a problem with the business card iso, the screen is not displaying correctly, can anyone help me? |
| 17:16.53 | jennie | http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx |
| 17:17.05 | jennie | will this work ? |
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| 17:17.45 | nevyn | jennie: so install radeon |
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| 17:18.36 | jennie | is that right for debian ? |
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| 17:18.38 | tremon | jennie: if you are on stable (6.0, squeeze) it will work, for testing you'd better stick to the open driver |
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| 17:19.16 | tremon | jennie: but the hd6570 should work with the open driver too, just make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed from backports |
| 17:19.18 | nevyn | jennie: I'd generally reccomend getting the free driver working first |
| 17:19.37 | nevyn | it needs firmware!?!?!?!? sigh |
| 17:20.07 | tremon | nevyn: it gets worse, for anything newer (ie hd7000 and apu's) it needs firmware for non-3d too |
| 17:20.24 | nevyn | wow |
| 17:20.54 | nevyn | I don't hate firmware.. but videocards kinda crosses a line for me |
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| 17:21.45 | tremon | jennie: even if you choose to go with the proprietary driver, I'd suggest trying the debian-provided fglrx-driver first, at least that version has received some testing |
| 17:22.10 | jennie | ok |
| 17:22.34 | nevyn | so radeon then fglrx-driver then crazy amd installer |
| 17:22.47 | nevyn | depending on where it works enough for you. |
| 17:23.14 | nevyn | tremon: do you know which core the 6570 is? |
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| 17:24.00 | tremon | you mean codename? nope, but I'm sure it's on the driver's freedesktop page |
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| 17:25.04 | nevyn | the freedesktop page lists feature support by core/engine |
| 17:25.44 | nevyn | ie R200 R300 --- S.Islands |
| 17:26.45 | tremon | hd6000 is either s.i. or the one before that |
| 17:27.09 | nevyn | n.i |
| 17:27.23 | nevyn | evergreen |
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| 17:29.21 | tremon | this is getting OT, but according to wikipedia SI is the hd7000 series, NI is hd6000 and evergreen is hd5000 |
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| 17:33.15 | nevyn | uh-huh. |
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| 17:39.58 | jennie | why it is always in linux to find drivers ? |
| 17:40.27 | jennie | when linux will be ahead in this drive stuff |
| 17:40.31 | tremon | jennie: you mean you've never installed windows? |
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| 17:43.07 | jhutchins_wk | jennie: USB to serial adapter? Just plug it in on Linux. Gotta find & install drivers for Mac & Win. |
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| 17:43.26 | jhutchins_wk | jennie: So it depends on the hardware. |
| 17:43.32 | dvs | jennie: Driver for what? An ATI card? I just use the firmware-linux-nonfree package for my Radeon HD 4200 chip. |
| 17:43.38 | jennie | i was on windows since using pc |
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| 17:54.05 | aussa | hi, my hdmi port does not work, it doesn't even appear when I run xrandr, how do I solve that? is that normal? I have an ASUS N53jf (xrandr output http://paste.debian.net/172548/) |
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| 17:55.09 | tremon | aussa: what gfx card? |
| 17:56.01 | aussa | nvidia gt 425m, I have bumblebee installed http://suwako.nomanga.net/ |
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| 17:57.23 | tremon | aussa: if using the open driver, you may get better help on #nouveau |
| 17:57.35 | aussa | ok thnx |
| 17:59.00 | mjt | well. on you either get driver out of the box or don't get it at all. On windows, most drivers are available from OEMs. |
| 17:59.13 | mjt | on linux* |
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| 18:01.24 | jennie | friends please tell me how do i change view to list like we do in windows ? |
| 18:01.45 | abrotman | the view in what? |
| 18:01.47 | mjt | heh. excellent question :) |
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| 18:02.26 | abrotman | jennie: view in what? |
| 18:03.01 | jennie | view of explorer folder's view |
| 18:03.21 | abrotman | yes .. in WHAT? kde? gnome? lxde? xfce? |
| 18:03.33 | jennie | gnome |
| 18:03.36 | jennie | sorry |
| 18:03.49 | abrotman | jennie: in nautilus? View->List IIRC .. i don't have a gnome2 box handy |
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| 18:04.01 | abrotman | did you try right clicking in the file side panel ? |
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| 18:04.22 | jennie | right click aint showing any options |
| 18:05.00 | jennie | for list view |
| 18:05.05 | jennie | just zoomin and zoom out |
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| 18:09.24 | abrotman | jennie: what are the menus across the top ? |
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| 18:09.52 | abrotman | jennie: http://askubuntu.com/questions/21724/how-do-i-make-33-list-view-in-nautilus-be-the-default-view-for-the-system |
| 18:10.03 | abrotman | jennie: see if that gets you going in the right direction |
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| 18:10.43 | tensorpudding | does debian still have backports? |
| 18:10.49 | dvs | yes |
| 18:10.52 | abrotman | yes, backports.debian.org |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | tensorpudding: but a backport for what? |
| 18:11.08 | WaitiGer_ | hello I'd like to change a partition "sda3" which is a Linux Partition "83" to a LVM partition "8e" what is the best way to do it with remote cli? thx |
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| 18:12.48 | tensorpudding | meh, they don't have a backport of vlc 2 |
| 18:13.18 | abrotman | you could try to make your own |
| 18:13.56 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport vlc |
| 18:13.58 | judd | Backporting package vlc in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libschroedinger-dev (>= 1.0.10). |
| 18:14.01 | abrotman | boo |
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| 18:15.01 | tensorpudding | using vlc isn't that important, i just want a video player with support for ordered chapters |
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| 18:16.37 | txomon|home | I think it can be done, as you just have to satisfy 3 dependencies |
| 18:16.45 | txomon|home | judd checkbackport libschroedinger-dev |
| 18:16.46 | judd | Backporting package libschroedinger-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.93~), liborc-0.4-dev (>= 1:0.4.16). |
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| 18:17.03 | txomon|home | judd checkbackport sdbs liborc-0.4-dev |
| 18:17.04 | judd | No package named 'sdbs' was found in sid/i386. |
| 18:17.12 | txomon|home | judd checkbackport liborc-0.4-dev |
| 18:17.13 | judd | Backporting package liborc-0.4-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.93~). |
| 18:17.18 | txomon|home | judd checkbackport cdbs |
| 18:17.19 | judd | Backporting package cdbs in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 18:18.31 | robokop | WaitiGer_: before you start doing anything with partitions make sure you have a backup |
| 18:19.31 | WaitiGer_ | robokop: doesn't matter its a testinstallation of squeeze alpha1 with xcp-xapi |
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| 18:20.05 | robokop | WaitiGer_: also changing a type of a partition and making lvm you'll effectively need to remove the old partition and make a new one |
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| 18:21.25 | WaitiGer_ | robokop: that's what i did -> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda3 bs=1k count=1 |
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| 18:23.01 | robokop | WaitiGer_: use parted to change partition type and then use pvcreate to make it a physical volume, vgcreate to make a volume group and lvcreate to make it a logical volume (lvm partition) |
| 18:23.14 | WaitiGer_ | kk |
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| 18:23.26 | WaitiGer_ | tryed it with fdisc |
| 18:23.29 | WaitiGer_ | fdisk |
| 18:23.49 | robokop | works too |
| 18:24.32 | mjt | what partition type shuld it be? |
| 18:24.44 | WaitiGer_ | 8e |
| 18:24.51 | mjt | why? |
| 18:25.13 | WaitiGer_ | i don't have LVM |
| 18:25.36 | mjt | so? |
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| 18:26.23 | mjt | linux does not care AT ALL about partition types. |
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| 18:26.50 | mjt | except of a single case which is deprecated for over 10 years (software raid devices autoassemble) |
| 18:27.15 | cbmuser | hey, I have the problem that debmirror does not sync the translation files for contrib and non-free |
| 18:27.16 | WaitiGer_ | but 8e is LVM correct? |
| 18:27.22 | cbmuser | the whole directory i18n is missing |
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| 18:27.27 | cbmuser | for main, it's synced |
| 18:27.32 | cbmuser | anyone knows why? |
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| 18:29.47 | robokop | WaitiGer_: yes, iirc it is, 3g in train is horribly slow, so responding slow |
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| 18:30.32 | WaitiGer_ | robokop: no Prob. |
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| 18:32.01 | cbmuser | hmm, contrib/i18n and non-free/i18n don't have Index files ... |
| 18:32.06 | cbmuser | unlike main/i18n |
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| 18:36.27 | MO_Handes | I have installed the package `kde-full` and it have installed lots of packages (games, etc...) with it. if I do a simple `apt-get remove kde-full` will all those packages get removed too?! |
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| 18:37.27 | dvs | !remove kde |
| 18:37.28 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 18:42.30 | MO_Handes | after removing a package with apt-get, will the install files (binaries, tarballs, etc...) remain so if I want to install them again I don't need to download them?! |
| 18:42.50 | burhan | this is a strange problem, I created a new user with adduser, logged in with this user, and now this new user cannot write to /tmp when other users can? |
| 18:43.55 | nkuttler | MO_Handes: with apt-get you have to run apt-get autoremove afaict |
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| 18:44.07 | nkuttler | burhan: ls -ld /tmp/ ? |
| 18:44.19 | burhan | root root |
| 18:44.20 | terpri | MO_Handes: the package will still be at: /var/cache/apt/archives, unless you do: apt-get clean |
| 18:44.48 | terpri | So in case you want to install it again, there won't be a need to download it if it's the same in the cache. |
| 18:44.56 | nkuttler | burhan: ls -ld /tmp/ ? |
| 18:45.01 | burhan | its 777 |
| 18:45.04 | nkuttler | wtf.. |
| 18:45.32 | nkuttler | burhan: 777 is wrong anyway. make it drwxrwxrwt |
| 18:45.40 | burhan | sorry, that's what it is. |
| 18:45.44 | nkuttler | man chmod |
| 18:45.45 | burhan | I didn't change it :) |
| 18:45.53 | burhan | its been a long day |
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| 18:46.39 | MO_Handes | does `dpkg-reconfigure foo` configures foo for the user running it or all users?~ |
| 18:46.48 | burhan | dpaste.org/cOXww/ |
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| 18:47.04 | nkuttler | MO_Handes: all users |
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| 18:47.14 | burhan | nkuttler: dpaste.org/cOXww/ |
| 18:47.16 | nkuttler | MO_Handes: though you might need to restart the service |
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| 18:47.53 | nkuttler | burhan: odd. touch /tmp/foo |
| 18:48.08 | burhan | works |
| 18:48.18 | nkuttler | burhan: ls -l /tmp/distribute-0.6.8.tar.gz |
| 18:48.34 | burhan | ah :/ some other user has it there as well |
| 18:48.51 | nkuttler | burhan: you probably want to configure virtualenv to use some dir in ~/ for installs, building etc |
| 18:48.55 | ompaul | the dangers of a shared /tmp |
| 18:49.08 | nkuttler | burhan: and probably file a bug against virtualbox |
| 18:49.12 | ompaul | mal ware mutually assured locking ware |
| 18:49.15 | nkuttler | safe tmp file creation etc |
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| 18:49.24 | nkuttler | virtualenv |
| 18:49.50 | nkuttler | it's probably possible to place a file in /tmp that would infect a user account |
| 18:50.02 | nkuttler | as virtualenv executes python code :| |
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| 18:54.12 | MO_Handes | I have Iceweasel 3.5.16 installed?! is this the latest version?! |
| 18:54.23 | raptor67682 | question. how to install for debian stable squeeze teh flash player for chromium google browser? |
| 18:54.32 | dvs | !tell MO_Handes about mdo |
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| 18:54.49 | dvs | !tell MO_Handes about mdn |
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| 18:55.33 | MO_Handes | what version of firefox is Iceweasel 3.5.16 identical to?! |
| 18:56.25 | Trewas | MO_Handes: take a wild guess?! |
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| 18:56.54 | MO_Handes | !tell MO_Handes about backports |
| 18:57.27 | dvs | !tell MO_Handes about selftell |
| 18:57.52 | nkuttler | burhan: btw.. are you on stable? according to bug #652653 this should be fixed by now |
| 18:58.04 | raptor67682 | the old firefox one delivered with squeez |
| 18:58.19 | nkuttler | !tell raptor67682 about flash plugin |
| 18:58.30 | nkuttler | raptor67682: oh, chromium should have flash out of the box |
| 18:58.32 | raptor67682 | nkuttler: for chromium ? |
| 18:58.38 | raptor67682 | I would liek to try google video |
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| 18:58.51 | burhan | nkuttler: stable debian? yes. |
| 18:58.53 | nkuttler | it does at least for me.. maybe still need to install the iceweasel one.. |
| 18:58.58 | Mosterd | What is the normal time for a live cd to start? |
| 18:59.14 | nkuttler | burhan: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy python-virtualenv |
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| 18:59.44 | NickName3 | Has anyone tried installing Tribler on Debian? I'm getting a dependency error. |
| 18:59.44 | nkuttler | MO_Handes: depends on your box.. probably less than a minute |
| 18:59.47 | MO_Handes | how to add backports to my sources.list?? |
| 18:59.54 | nkuttler | !tell NickName3 about errors |
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| 18:59.58 | nkuttler | !tell MO_Handes about backports |
| 19:00.12 | burhan | nkuttler: dpaste.org/4sGO3 |
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| 19:00.28 | MO_Handes | nkuttler, you mentioned the wrong one |
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| 19:01.11 | NickName3 | Thanks nkuttler . I downloaded the .deb file from their page, and when I double click to install, I get the following error: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: tribler-swift (>= 5.9.9) |
| 19:01.12 | nkuttler | burhan: hm... that should have a Candidate: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.3 |
| 19:01.34 | nkuttler | NickName3: oh, no idea what tribler is.. ask their support |
| 19:01.41 | NickName3 | Can I do dpkg -i --force-depends .deb ? |
| 19:02.17 | nkuttler | NickName3: bad idea |
| 19:02.17 | mjt | sure but WHY? The result will unlikely be a working install.. |
| 19:02.38 | burhan | nkuttler: hrmm, let me update this box and see if there is anything that can be upgraded. |
| 19:02.42 | nkuttler | burhan: do you have security sources? |
| 19:02.46 | MO_Handes | how to change the default browser from firefox (manually installed at /opt/firefox) to Iceweasel? |
| 19:02.47 | nkuttler | burhan: yes, try that |
| 19:02.50 | NickName3 | OK I'll try to look for the sources and build it then. I guess the problem is because the package they have is for Ubuntu |
| 19:02.58 | burhan | yes, they are mirrored as well (box is not connected to the Internet) |
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| 19:04.35 | MO_Handes | I added squeeze-backports and tried `apt-get install iceweasel` but it already says that I have the last version installed!!! the how can I have the newer version?! |
| 19:04.46 | nkuttler | burhan: ok. well the security update should fix this issue i guess. or like i said use some dir in ~/ |
| 19:04.50 | raptor67682 | I had to install Downloads/google-talkplugin_current_i386.deb |
| 19:04.56 | raptor67682 | to make it work . |
| 19:04.59 | tharkun | Is there a manual way to override when the fan kicks in? |
| 19:05.20 | dvs | MO_Handes: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 19:05.21 | nkuttler | tharkun: i think lmsensors can do that, or fancontrol |
| 19:05.33 | nkuttler | tharkun: there are also some specialized apps for some notebooks |
| 19:05.35 | burhan | nkuttler: I did a quick browse at the docs for virtualenv but didn't see an option that changes the default build directory - although usually for editable packages its env/build ... I'll search for it in the morning. |
| 19:06.41 | MO_Handes | dvs?! do I have to use it this way all the time? shouldn't `apt-get update; apt-get install foo` work?! |
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| 19:06.58 | nkuttler | burhan: hm, i'm pretty sure there is a setting... to set the download/cache dir at least |
| 19:07.07 | tharkun | nkuttler: the Warning on man fancontrol is one piece of nice advice |
| 19:07.12 | dvs | MO_Handes: Not if there is the same package name in backports |
| 19:07.43 | dvs | MO_Handes: apt-cache policy iceweasel will show you why. |
| 19:07.58 | MO_Handes | dvs, huh, so it tries to get it from debian main repositories by default and because it is there it says it's up to date?! |
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| 19:08.15 | dvs | MO_Handes: "apt-cache policy iceweasel" will show you why. |
| 19:08.32 | nkuttler | burhan: actually.. pip |
| 19:09.01 | MO_Handes | dvs, the how can I upgrade with backports in high priority? |
| 19:09.55 | dvs | MO_Handes: You'll have to change the priorities of the repos which I've never done myself. |
| 19:10.09 | MO_Handes | oh tnx |
| 19:10.20 | dvs | np |
| 19:11.13 | MO_Handes | after installing iceweasel from backports what is the way to downgrade it? using the version at main repositories? |
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| 19:12.19 | abrotman | -t |
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| 19:17.34 | tintin | how can i do automatica login , it's gdm3 |
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| 19:17.58 | tintin | which gnome package to install to set automatic login? |
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| 19:21.04 | MO_Handes | how to know the exact location of the executable that a command executes? |
| 19:21.21 | dvs | where? |
| 19:22.00 | MO_Handes | for example when I enter firefox in terminal, what file executes? |
| 19:22.05 | Daviey | MO_Handes: "which command" .. as in which firefox |
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| 19:22.57 | Somelauw | whereis firefox |
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| 19:23.11 | Somelauw | MO_Handes: ^^ |
| 19:24.15 | xand | I tend to use `type` |
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| 19:25.02 | Daviey | type is good, because it will also tell you if the command is a shell builtin command. |
| 19:25.07 | tintin | which gnome package to install to set automatic login? |
| 19:26.04 | abrotman | tintin: did you google "gdm3 autologin" ? |
| 19:26.06 | xand | tintin: that's not a package, it's a config option |
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| 19:34.41 | txomon|home | someone knows why I could not be authorized to mount a cd in debian, using lxde, if I am sudoer? |
| 19:35.20 | ompaul | txomon|home: does anyone know the exact error message that you are getting? |
| 19:35.39 | txomon|home | ompaul, "Error: Not authorized" ;D |
| 19:36.00 | ompaul | ehhhhhhhh is that with a gui tool? |
| 19:36.07 | txomon|home | yes |
| 19:36.10 | txomon|home | lxde |
| 19:36.49 | txomon|home | I just inserted the CD in the VM and told me that, later I tried to mount it by right clicking on it, and same thing |
| 19:36.56 | ompaul | lxde is lightweight X desktop environment not the name of an application |
| 19:36.56 | Somelauw | is the gui tool started with gksudo? (maybe a stupid question) |
| 19:37.24 | txomon|home | ompaul, well, the app is the enviroment |
| 19:37.44 | MO_Handes | what is the difference between gksudo and sudo?! |
| 19:37.44 | txomon|home | and I am in cdrom group |
| 19:37.56 | Somelauw | MO_Handes: one is for gnome |
| 19:38.21 | ompaul | ok so you are using a vm, I have no idea how that abstracts the conversation, nor do I know the application, and try su - as root and try to mount it - maybe virtual box or whatever you are using does not have authority to touch the cdrom |
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| 19:38.40 | txomon|home | ompaul, ? |
| 19:38.47 | txomon|home | that doesn't make sense |
| 19:39.01 | txomon|home | the computer is a virtual machine |
| 19:39.09 | txomon|home | just that |
| 19:39.39 | txomon|home | I am testing debian enviroments and configs over ubuntu |
| 19:39.50 | ompaul | txomon|home: it still might not have rights |
| 19:40.19 | ompaul | txomon|home: sudo -i in a terminal and see if you can get mount it? |
| 19:40.48 | ompaul | txomon|home: and I only know a tiny amount about vms I have no use for them |
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| 19:41.10 | txomon|home | ompaul, yes, I can mount it |
| 19:41.28 | txomon|home | what I don't still understand is why lxde doesnt allow me to |
| 19:41.43 | ompaul | txomon|home: you can mount it --- in ubuntu or in debian? |
| 19:41.49 | txomon|home | ompaul, debian |
| 19:42.31 | ompaul | now can you click on it? |
| 19:43.23 | txomon|home | ompaul, yes, I can. It is mounted by me |
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| 19:43.42 | txomon|home | the thing is that lxde doesn't allow me to mount it |
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| 19:44.00 | txomon|home | I am using sudo user, not root |
| 19:44.18 | ompaul | sudo user is root permissions i.e. user id 0 |
| 19:44.42 | txomon|home | ompaul, I meant a sudoer user |
| 19:44.52 | ompaul | that is not interesting |
| 19:44.58 | ompaul | what is interesting is |
| 19:45.17 | ompaul | your gui had not got permission to automount, can you work out why? |
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| 19:45.50 | txomon|home | ompaul, because I am not in the relevant group? |
| 19:46.15 | ompaul | no, look in fstab have you user in there beside the cdrom? |
| 19:46.18 | txomon|home | I suppose that If I unmount it, and try to mount it with my user without sudo, will get the same problem |
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| 19:46.47 | ompaul | well now |
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| 19:47.25 | MO_Handes | in what file PATH variable is set? |
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| 19:48.40 | ompaul | MO_Handes: usually it starts out in /etc/profile for a global setting then in .profile for local users |
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| 19:49.25 | txomon|home | ompaul, what comes now? |
| 19:50.06 | ompaul | txomon|home: a bus with a man, he will stop the bus, dismount and go for a walk :) no seriously, I already told you, your fstab needs to allow you to automount |
| 19:50.38 | txomon|home | humm oki |
| 19:50.48 | MO_Handes | how to find out what is the local user configuration files for a certain application stored? |
| 19:51.27 | ompaul | MO_Handes: different files for different applications, look in the users home directory for files that are prefixed with a . >> ls -al | less |
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| 19:52.59 | MO_Handes | is ~/.mozilla associated with Iceweasel?! |
| 19:53.14 | MO_Handes | (I have also firefox installed) |
| 19:53.15 | ompaul | MO_Handes: yes, before you break it, what do you want to change? |
| 19:53.17 | txomon|home | ompaul, now the problem comes, I am already allowed in fstab |
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| 19:53.33 | ompaul | txomon|home: pastebin it please in http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:54.09 | ompaul | txomon|home: include ls -al /dev/scd0 or whatever it is called in there |
| 19:54.18 | MO_Handes | I just want to know if firefox (which I manually installed) and Iceweasel are sharing the same configuration directory, because I have the bookmarks, plugins, etc. in the both. are all the plugins located in that location? |
| 19:54.21 | txomon|home | fstab: /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto ... |
| 19:54.27 | ompaul | MO_Handes: they do |
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| 19:54.46 | ompaul | MO_Handes: no the plugins could be elsewhere but usually are |
| 19:55.02 | txomon|home | ompaul, it doesnt exist scd0 |
| 19:55.16 | ompaul | txomon|home: as I said "whatever it is called in there"3 |
| 19:55.26 | txomon|home | so I suppose there is the bug. Debian has an entry in fstab that doesn't exist? |
| 19:55.27 | ompaul | txomon|home: so /media/cdrom0 |
| 19:55.55 | txomon|home | ompaul, /dev/scd0 is specified in the fstab file, but doesn't exist |
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| 19:56.02 | txomon|home | that is a very ugly bug,.... |
| 19:56.12 | ompaul | txomon|home: you are using a virtual machine |
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| 19:56.20 | txomon|home | ompaul, and what? |
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| 19:56.30 | txomon|home | I didn't change the config |
| 19:56.50 | ompaul | txomon|home: all bets are off, information has to be handed off correctly I don't know virtual boxes that well and frankly I don't have that issue on my 40 odd machines |
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| 19:57.27 | ompaul | txomon|home: so I think your problem is with the virtual tool - which one is it>? |
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| 19:57.42 | txomon|home | ompaul, oki, so it is problem of the installer, that at install time doesn't recognise correctly the system (as it recognises that it is in a vm) |
| 19:58.14 | txomon|home | ompaul, I haven't installed anyone yet... well, it offered me installing a module during the installation |
| 19:58.24 | itsrachelfish | Does anyone know why running multiple webcams at 640x480 gives me this error? libv4l2: error turning on stream: No space left on device |
| 19:58.32 | ompaul | txomon|home: this is a virtual machine? |
| 19:58.39 | ompaul | txomon|home: live cd or something? |
| 19:58.58 | ompaul | itsrachelfish: df -h and look for a full partition |
| 19:59.00 | txomon|home | ompaul, you mean a virtual machine inside a vm ? no |
| 19:59.04 | ompaul | txomon|home: no |
| 19:59.06 | txomon|home | live cd or sth no |
| 19:59.10 | ompaul | txomon|home: ok |
| 19:59.13 | itsrachelfish | ompaul: It's not a disk space issue but thank you |
| 19:59.23 | itsrachelfish | I actually wrote a big long thing about all the things I tried |
| 19:59.25 | itsrachelfish | http://superuser.com/questions/431759/using-multiple-usb-webcams-in-linux |
| 19:59.26 | txomon|home | just netboot install and at boot time I encountered that |
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| 20:00.10 | txomon|home | itsrachelfish, it can be problem of virtual space |
| 20:00.24 | txomon|home | diskram and so |
| 20:00.30 | txomon|home | (or was it ramdisk?) |
| 20:00.44 | itsrachelfish | How would I check that? |
| 20:01.03 | itsrachelfish | This computer suposedly has 2 GB of ram and a 640x480 webcam only uses 14 megabits |
| 20:01.07 | ompaul | I'm off |
| 20:01.38 | txomon|home | no idea, I just suggested what could be... I suppose that what ompaul would work, as df also shows those partitions |
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| 20:02.16 | itsrachelfish | In which case running the webcams changes nothing in the output of df |
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| 20:02.51 | txomon|home | ok, so it is not a space problem |
| 20:02.58 | itsrachelfish | Unless there's something besides df -h which is more verbose |
| 20:03.01 | txomon|home | at least of that |
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| 20:04.33 | txomon|home | itsrachelfish, I am almost sure it is a driver problem |
| 20:04.45 | txomon|home | well, not driver itself |
| 20:04.53 | txomon|home | it can be what is over the driver |
| 20:05.22 | itsrachelfish | Interestingly, the same problem occurs on two different computers running different versions of debian |
| 20:05.24 | txomon|home | I am just speculating |
| 20:06.15 | txomon|home | itsrachelfish, in extreme solution, you can install multiple vms and connect 4 to each machine :D |
| 20:06.23 | txomon|home | (that is not a good idea though) |
| 20:06.47 | itsrachelfish | hahaha |
| 20:07.21 | tremon | itsrachelfish: I'd ask that question on the v4l mailing list. It appears to me to be a bogus error message, even if the problem would be transfer speed then the error message is still wrong |
| 20:08.08 | itsrachelfish | Good idea |
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| 20:08.19 | itsrachelfish | There's also a #v4l I'll bug them in there too |
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| 20:08.49 | txomon|home | itsrachelfish, what about your graphical memory? |
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| 20:09.43 | txomon|home | 14MB x 16 is a good chop of graphical memory |
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| 20:11.41 | itsrachelfish | txomon|home: How would I check? And where did you get x 16 from? |
| 20:12.12 | itsrachelfish | All my tests have been done on laptops without any particularly beefy graphics cards |
| 20:12.27 | txomon|home | itsrachelfish, no idea, just wondered how many webcams you have to get to have graphical memory full |
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| 20:12.54 | itsrachelfish | Any more than one running at 640 x 480 returns that error |
| 20:12.54 | txomon|home | it can also be due to having a weighty desktop env, that eats part of that memory |
| 20:13.02 | txomon|home | haha |
| 20:13.08 | txomon|home | so no idea then :D |
| 20:13.32 | txomon|home | I just make suggestions |
| 20:14.16 | tremon | the only "device" I can think of that would be consumed by v4l would be a kernel-internal memory buffer |
| 20:14.23 | MO_Handes | how to set Iceweasel as the default browser? |
| 20:14.50 | txomon|home | MO_Handes, that is a good google search |
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| 20:15.22 | tremon | MO_Handes: update-alternatives x-www-browser iirc |
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| 20:16.04 | dvs | update-alternatives set x-www-browser |
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| 20:17.00 | MO_Handes | should this file exist in a fresh debian install? /usr/bin/firefox |
| 20:17.01 | MO_Handes | ? |
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| 20:17.51 | itsrachelfish | tremon: How would I find which buffer it's using? Digging through the source? |
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| 20:18.35 | tremon | itsrachelfish: I wouldn't. I'd just ask the developers what the error message means or where it comes from |
| 20:19.11 | txomon|home | MO_Handes, I suppose depending on what you consider fresh install |
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| 20:20.07 | MO_Handes | I know if I run firefox in terminal Iceweasel must be opened. but now it opens /usr/bin/firefox which opens firefox (not iceweasel) |
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| 20:22.13 | txomon|home | MO_Handes, have you have a look into the update-alternatives command? there you specify the desired option when you have more than one |
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| 20:24.10 | MO_Handes | what is the meaning of this when I run `type firefox` ? firefox is hashed (/opt/firefox/firefox) |
| 20:24.56 | txomon|home | MO_Handes, I think it is a which-like command |
| 20:25.08 | txomon|home | he tells you what is run when you type firefox |
| 20:26.22 | tremon | MO_Handes: type is a bash-builtin, tells you if it is an alias, internal bash command or a binary |
| 20:26.34 | txomon|home | try this sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 20:27.14 | txomon|home | tremon, do you know where the media players are specified, I haven't been able to find them in the alternatives |
| 20:27.18 | MO_Handes | tnx |
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| 20:27.42 | txomon|home | and it is horrible to specify type by type of media that I want vlc |
| 20:27.45 | tremon | txomon|home: which media players? |
| 20:27.58 | txomon|home | I have the gnome player and vlc |
| 20:28.04 | txomon|home | and I want it all with vlc |
| 20:28.37 | txomon|home | each time I open a new format, it tries to open it with gnome player |
| 20:29.06 | txomon|home | although I have it configured in the gnome-settings that I want VLC |
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| 20:31.29 | tremon | not sure if there is a configurable alternative for that... try looking in /etc/alternatives |
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| 20:33.30 | txomon|home | those are the alternatives configurable with update-alternatives |
| 20:33.34 | txomon|home | not in there |
| 20:33.40 | txomon|home | that is the problem |
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| 20:34.18 | tremon | well, you can try asking in #gnome |
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| 20:49.25 | haildeb | hello. I have a big problem with debian testing. It gets freeze sometimes when I open synaptic or gdebi |
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| 20:56.55 | pasky | Hi! I have ii adobeair 1:2.6.0.19170 but any apt-get operation complains that The following packages have unmet dependencies: asdf : PreDepends: adobeair (>= 1:2.6.0.0) but it is not installable |
| 20:57.13 | pasky | How can this happen, and how would one fix this? |
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| 21:02.41 | tremon | pasky: it doesn't seem like adobeair is a debian package. If apt-get install -f doesn't fix it, try asking where you got that package |
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| 21:05.38 | pasky | tremon: i got it from a shady company called Adobe that doesn't support it anymore |
| 21:05.48 | pasky | tremon: but this is debian tool weirdness |
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| 21:06.30 | tremon | adobe provided debian packages? that's new, didn't know that |
| 21:06.44 | rm-rf | i'm trying to create a usb bootable "live cd". i downloaded 'debian-live-6.0.4-i386-standard.img' and wrote it to my usb thumb drive using 'dd', but it isn't being recognized as a bootable device |
| 21:06.47 | tremon | did you try apt-get install -f? |
| 21:07.07 | rm-rf | the same system boots fine with the same exact drive, but with gentoo |
| 21:07.17 | rm-rf | any thoughts? |
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| 21:08.07 | tintin | anyone? |
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| 21:08.21 | tintin | anyone?ntldr missing, Disk boot failure, Enter disk and press Enter |
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| 21:08.29 | pasky | tremon: that just wants to remove asdf |
| 21:08.32 | tintin | but if i press enter, it boots windows though |
| 21:08.42 | tintin | i used drivemap (hd1) ${root} ; chainloader +1 |
| 21:08.55 | tintin | what's wrong in grub.cfg |
| 21:09.17 | tremon | pasky: and asdf is also an adobe package? |
| 21:09.34 | tintin | set root='(hd1,1); drivemap (hd1) ${root}; chainloader +1 |
| 21:09.50 | rm-rf | also, i should note that i have a toshiba netbook that boots just fine from the debian usb disk. are there some special bits i need to write to the beginning of the thumb drive or somethin? |
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| 21:15.10 | bardzusny | rm-rf: I like unetbootin |
| 21:15.39 | bardzusny | or: copy contents of .iso to thumb drive, rename isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg, install syslinux to thumb drive |
| 21:15.42 | bardzusny | that often works |
| 21:15.55 | tintin | i was successsful with unetbootin |
| 21:15.58 | tintin | for linux |
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| 21:18.32 | bardzusny | "or: copy contents of .iso to thumb drive, rename isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg, install syslinux to thumb drive" - this I succesfully used over and over to 'convert' debian mini.iso to thumb drive |
| 21:18.35 | bardzusny | rm-rf: ^ |
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| 21:21.27 | pasky | tremon: no, asdf is of even more obscure origin |
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| 21:24.27 | pavlz | hi |
| 21:24.38 | pavlz | the hdd of my laptop crashed |
| 21:25.09 | pavlz | now i am working on a laptop with windows xp |
| 21:25.42 | pavlz | i got as programs sonic or easy cd to prepare a new live cd |
| 21:25.51 | pavlz | can you help me ? |
| 21:25.53 | rm-rf | bardzusny: i'm giving unetbootin a try |
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| 21:26.40 | abrotman | unetbootin rarely works |
| 21:26.43 | pavlz | laptop it's not mine, i can't install on it, i am using only to download the image *.iso tu put on the cd |
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| 21:27.20 | pavlz | i got one little problem, i don't find the way to assign the label *.iso to the cd |
| 21:27.45 | pavlz | can anyone help me ? |
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| 21:31.15 | babilen | !tell rm-rf -about usb install |
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| 21:31.20 | babilen | !tell rm-rf -about hybrid image |
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| 21:35.26 | rm-rf | babilen: thanks! 4.3.1 worked for me |
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| 21:36.25 | babilen | rm-rf: Wonderful, enjoy! |
| 21:37.06 | rm-rf | is it possible to customize items of the live system on boot, such as the hostname? |
| 21:37.06 | bardzusny | !tell bardzusny -about usb install |
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| 21:37.14 | bardzusny | !tell bardzusny -about hybrid image |
| 21:37.30 | bardzusny | rm-rf: debian-live |
| 21:38.04 | abrotman | !tell bardzusny about selftell |
| 21:38.21 | rm-rf | bardzusny: is that a command i would run? |
| 21:38.45 | abrotman | no, you' dhave to learn how to create your own custom debian-live image |
| 21:38.50 | bardzusny | abrotman: yes, sorry |
| 21:39.45 | pasky | doesn't like dpkg :( |
| 21:39.55 | abrotman | so don't use it |
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| 21:41.51 | pasky | i don't know about any real alternatives, sadly :) |
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| 21:42.41 | akpk | How can I install this ? http://j2a.github.com/onda.ko/ |
| 21:43.22 | abrotman | akpk: seems to tell you right there |
| 21:43.40 | pasky | akpk: are you sure you need to? even debian stable should carry a new enough kernel |
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| 21:45.31 | akpk | <pasky> my 3g modem is not working, |
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| 21:45.59 | akpk | <abrotman> i don know how to work on make & make modules_install |
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| 21:46.31 | abrotman | akpk: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 21:51.29 | akpk1 | <abrotman> 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:52.14 | akpk1 | <pasky> do u know hoe to install it ? |
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| 21:53.12 | akpk1 | <abrotman> 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:53.45 | streuner_ | we regonized that already... |
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| 21:54.14 | abrotman | akpk1: the website says you don't need it .. maybe see if there's another problem |
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| 21:54.40 | akpk1 | website says that,but my modem wants it. |
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| 21:55.19 | akpk1 | <abrotman> modem showing an error related to that. |
| 21:55.25 | abrotman | okay, so follow the install instructions that are on the website |
| 21:56.10 | akpk1 | <abrotman> i tried ./insatall.sh,but that not worked. |
| 21:56.39 | akpk1 | <abrotman> and i don't know how to deal with make,make modules_install |
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| 21:57.54 | akpk1 | <abrotman> i download and copy that tar file into desktop,then unzip,and then i cd to unziped folder. |
| 21:58.06 | akpk1 | then i try make... |
| 21:58.18 | akpk1 | <abrotman> but that end with an error. |
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| 21:59.00 | BrainBug[BE] | akpkl, did you chmod +x the install.sh before executing it? |
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| 21:59.39 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> No |
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| 22:00.32 | pasky | In the end, I just deleted the Pre-depends line from /var/lib/dpkg/status ... still no clue why it was problematic though |
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| 22:02.05 | rm-rf | is it possible to mount the usb drive and edit items after the fact, or can the drive only be created from an ISO? |
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| 22:02.52 | akpk1 | <abrotman> are you there ?? |
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| 22:03.03 | BrainBug[BE] | akpkl, try installing build essentials, go in the directory do: ./configure make and as root: make install |
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| 22:03.59 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> I'm not an expert,Can U give me step by step instructions ?? |
| 22:04.26 | abrotman | akpk1: i've never installed that module .. the website gives you instructions, if they don't work, doubt i'd be any help |
| 22:05.35 | BrainBug[BE] | akpk1, open terminal as root type: aptitude install build-essential ; then do the command i said above in the directory you have downloaded (unpacked of course) |
| 22:06.04 | streuner_ | akpk1: if that hardware doesnt work, just buy something which works |
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| 22:07.52 | akpk1 | <streuner_> that hardware working well with Ubuntu 11.10 and Fedora Security Lab Spin. |
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| 22:08.04 | akpk1 | <streuner_> Problem only with Debian 6 |
| 22:08.22 | streuner_ | akpk1: ok, then it should work in Debian as well |
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| 22:09.20 | akpk1 | <streuner_> :-) |
| 22:09.35 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> Let me try. |
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| 22:10.25 | streuner_ | akpk1: if there is a *bunt* package it should be easy to use that in Debian, IMO |
| 22:10.32 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 22:10.59 | streuner_ | akpk1: via config file |
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| 22:11.18 | akpk1 | <streuner_> I didn't get u well,Can U explain ?? |
| 22:12.11 | itsrachelfish | Is there any way to restrict how much bandwidth is available to a specific USB device? |
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| 22:12.46 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> Not worked !! |
| 22:13.16 | BrainBug[BE] | do this from command line as root: chmod +x install.sh in the directory then ; ./install.sh |
| 22:13.24 | akpk1 | <streuner_> do u know how to do this ?? http://j2a.github.com/onda.ko/ |
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| 22:13.48 | wuffi600 | are all applied patches in binary package "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" included in package "linux-source-2.6.32"? What does '5' in the name of the first package exactly mean? |
| 22:13.51 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> I tried that just now. |
| 22:14.02 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> Not worked. |
| 22:14.22 | abrotman | wuffi600: -5- is the kernel ABI version |
| 22:14.25 | akpk1 | <BrainBug[BE]> do u know how to do this ?? http://j2a.github.com/onda.ko/ |
| 22:14.31 | abrotman | wuffi600: and the patches should be in there |
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| 22:16.06 | wuffi600 | abrotman: thnx |
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| 22:16.49 | akpk1 | <abrotman> How these commanda work ?? |
| 22:16.52 | akpk1 | $ make |
| 22:16.53 | akpk1 | # make modules_install |
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| 22:17.14 | abrotman | oh .. errors might help |
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| 22:18.21 | wuffi600 | when modifying building the sources of Package "linux-source-2.6.32" and then building a new Kernelpackage via "make KDEB_PKGVERSION=mycustomkernel deb-pkg" |
| 22:18.38 | wuffi600 | can i add options for feature identifier? |
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| 22:18.51 | abrotman | you can add whatever you'd like |
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| 22:20.44 | g3orge | which manual page should I start with to learn about Linux memory management? |
| 22:20.58 | wuffi600 | abrotman: how would i set "-featureset" and "-flavour" in this make-commandline? |
| 22:21.07 | abrotman | !tell wuffi600 about kp mantra |
| 22:21.56 | wuffi600 | abrotman: oh, cool |
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| 22:24.50 | Innocentus | how can I gracefully restart apache2 on a debian? |
| 22:25.10 | Innocentus | I heard there is a kind of universal command for gracefully restarting a service in debian like those init.d scripts |
| 22:25.31 | abrotman | Innocentus: invoke-rc.d ? |
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| 22:26.07 | Innocentus | abrotman: invoke-rc.d graceful? |
| 22:26.23 | abrotman | as graceful as can be i suppose |
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| 22:26.45 | silverghost | hi |
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| 22:26.56 | silverghost | olaaa |
| 22:27.03 | silverghost | ny 1 here |
| 22:27.17 | abrotman | lots of people |
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| 22:27.46 | jelly-home | Innocentus: name the service as well: "invoke-rc.d apache2 graceful" |
| 22:27.52 | jelly-home | or use apache2ctl |
| 22:28.41 | jelly-home | Innocentus: other services, however, have a "reload" action, graceful is apache specific |
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| 22:30.00 | Innocentus | what nicer? apache2ctl or invoke-rc.d - or does the rc script call apache2ctl? |
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| 22:30.29 | jelly-home | the other way round |
| 22:30.39 | jelly-home | er, sorry |
| 22:30.52 | jelly-home | I misread. |
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| 22:34.29 | jelly-home | Innocentus: it's pretty much the same. If you read the init script, you'll see it just runs a configtest before doing apache2ctl graceful |
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| 22:35.20 | Innocentus | this is good, so it prevents that the server breaks if the config has been changed to wrong |
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| 22:36.50 | hammuda | !help |
| 22:37.06 | Somelauw | zen is healthy |
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| 22:38.10 | abrotman | hammuda: just ask |
| 22:38.16 | abrotman | !help |
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| 22:42.12 | The_Eccentric | having issue eject doesn't respond at all |
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| 22:43.07 | The_Eccentric | http://dpaste.com/754679/ |
| 22:44.04 | abrotman | is that the right device ? |
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| 22:45.36 | The_Eccentric | abrotman: yes it is |
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| 22:45.42 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 22:45.46 | The_Eccentric | there no other device |
| 22:45.50 | The_Eccentric | for the cdrom |
| 22:45.57 | Innocentus | apachectl -k graceful |
| 22:46.13 | Innocentus | For what is -k thought ? |
| 22:46.32 | Innocentus | I already looked at the manpage, but they didn't mentioned it there (or do they) |
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| 22:50.10 | themill | Innocentus: it's covered by the "[httpd-argument]" bit of the synopsis, which is telling you to go and look at apache2(8) for what those options are. |
| 22:51.35 | abrotman | The_Eccentric: is there a CD in the drive? Does it work if you press the button? |
| 22:52.17 | The_Eccentric | abrotman: yes and no |
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| 22:53.59 | Innocentus | man man :) |
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| 22:55.30 | abrotman | The_Eccentric: so the drive is locked? |
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| 22:58.07 | Innocentus | how can I go to another page with man? |
| 22:58.22 | Innocentus | when I use man, the help text file is opened in vim |
| 23:00.53 | ompaul | Innocentus: I guess you changed pager to an editor ... |
| 23:01.07 | Innocentus | pager? |
| 23:01.12 | Innocentus | how can I switch the page with pager? |
| 23:01.13 | tommyfun | echo $PAGER to see what it's set to |
| 23:01.26 | ompaul | Innocentus: as tommyfun said |
| 23:01.30 | Innocentus | it is empty |
| 23:01.51 | tommyfun | export PAGER='less' |
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| 23:01.54 | ompaul | Innocentus: type man man |
| 23:02.01 | Innocentus | meta :) |
| 23:02.08 | ompaul | no |
| 23:02.12 | ompaul | please do it |
| 23:02.19 | Innocentus | yes |
| 23:02.28 | ompaul | and it still opened in vim? |
| 23:02.35 | Innocentus | no |
| 23:02.36 | Innocentus | I think it is ok now |
| 23:02.40 | ompaul | so it works correctly |
| 23:02.45 | tommyfun | actually it's supposed to be empty I think, export $PAGER='' |
| 23:02.45 | Innocentus | how can I switch the page with pager? |
| 23:03.02 | Innocentus | ok |
| 23:03.03 | Innocentus | did it |
| 23:03.05 | ompaul | Innocentus: it was a guess, and as he said it is not set |
| 23:03.21 | ompaul | you press space and enjoy |
| 23:03.35 | Innocentus | space? |
| 23:03.42 | ompaul | space bar |
| 23:03.46 | Innocentus | yes |
| 23:03.49 | Innocentus | it scrolls down |
| 23:03.54 | Innocentus | but it doesn't go to next page |
| 23:04.01 | Innocentus | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.32 | ompaul | now press page use page up |
| 23:04.58 | ompaul | Innocentus: it should say H for help at the foot of the screen |
| 23:05.00 | tommyfun | it should use less as default, type `which less` to see if it's installed and in your path |
| 23:05.20 | ompaul | tommyfun: less is not there by default these days (or else I am confused) |
| 23:05.28 | abrotman | he can still use more |
| 23:05.37 | ompaul | that is true |
| 23:05.46 | Innocentus | ok |
| 23:05.46 | ompaul | however he can use page up and page down within a man page |
| 23:05.58 | Innocentus | what happens if I accidentally write 'nano > textfile' ? |
| 23:06.09 | Innocentus | will this simply freeze the shell or does it something horrible? |
| 23:06.17 | RBV | Innocentus: try it |
| 23:06.42 | Innocentus | RBV: I did it accidentally, the shell freezed, I had to connect a new shell |
| 23:06.51 | Innocentus | RBV: what happens? does it write files now? |
| 23:07.21 | RBV | Do it again and then from another shell cat 'textfile' |
| 23:07.33 | RBV | Then kill the process you started in the first place |
| 23:07.43 | ompaul | Innocentus: type CTRL X and it will close |
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| 23:08.46 | Innocentus | aha, nano > textfile will write the welcome text of nano to the textfile |
| 23:08.47 | Innocentus | strange |
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| 23:08.53 | Innocentus | will it do more? |
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| 23:09.25 | KriP | What did you expect it to do? |
| 23:09.32 | ompaul | what do you want it to do? |
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| 23:09.57 | Innocentus | I wanted to execute echo > file to quickly empty a textfile |
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| 23:10.18 | ompaul | cat > foo CTRL C |
| 23:10.31 | ompaul | cat /dev/null > textfile |
| 23:10.36 | ompaul | both of those |
| 23:11.07 | KriP | echo -n > file (otherwise you end up with a linebreak in the file) |
| 23:11.41 | NickName3 | How do I change the laptop up and down volume buttons to use Pulseaudio instead of Alsa? |
| 23:11.42 | RBV | Innocentus: For fun you can type 'nano > foo' in one shell, then in another shell type 'tail -f foo', then go back to the other shell and type keyboard commands and you can use nano in the other shell window |
| 23:11.50 | JoeHazzers | couldn't you just touch it? |
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| 23:12.14 | RBV | JoeHazzers: rm it first |
| 23:12.21 | NickName3 | I mean, it's not working. The indicator shows it's increasing or decreasing, but nothing is happening. |
| 23:12.28 | KriP | Touch does not change content of a file. It created an empty file if no file is there, otherwise it just changes the timestamp |
| 23:12.36 | JoeHazzers | oh you want to blank the file |
| 23:12.38 | JoeHazzers | okay |
| 23:12.41 | thepro4ever | anyone got a favorite music streamer app that also lets you save music and gives you the names of the songs on debian OS?? |
| 23:12.54 | Innocentus | RBV: ok |
| 23:13.16 | NickName3 | Grooveshark |
| 23:14.03 | ompaul | JoeHazzers: touch updates the time on the file or crates a file if it didn't exist before - useful also for spoofing the creation date of a file |
| 23:14.41 | thepro4ever | NickName3: i can't find that in any of my repos |
| 23:14.42 | JoeHazzers | ompaul: i was just under the impression of wanting to create an empty file, not necessarily(?) erasing the contents of an existing file |
| 23:14.43 | NickName3 | Anyone? |
| 23:15.00 | NickName3 | thepro4ever: It's not an application. It's a web client. |
| 23:15.15 | ompaul | JoeHazzers: ah it has many uses, but removing content is not one ;-) |
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| 23:15.23 | JoeHazzers | ompaul: :3 |
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| 23:15.38 | Innocentus | RBV: ah nice - some kind of primitive chat :) |
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| 23:17.33 | NickName3 | The volume button thing -- anyone? |
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| 23:20.22 | Dillithamir | Anyone have any recommendations for making debian mmo-game friendly? |
| 23:23.09 | oo_miguel | for the first time i checked the logs of my firewall, and I have lots of ips sending me something to different ports and getting rejected |
| 23:23.16 | oo_miguel | is this normal? |
| 23:23.48 | ompaul | oo_miguel: yes |
| 23:23.56 | ompaul | oo_miguel: welcome to the internet |
| 23:24.17 | Dillithamir | lol ompaul |
| 23:24.20 | oo_miguel | hhehe |
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| 23:28.43 | MrJrSr | i have tried connecting using other OS, and after i disabled mode-n it just worked. but it don't seems to work on Linux |
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| 23:28.47 | MrJrSr | or at least not on a good speed |
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| 23:32.45 | ompaul | MrJrSr: your chip may need firmware |
| 23:32.52 | ompaul | !tell MrJrSr about wireless |
| 23:34.46 | The_Eccentric | abrotman: says theres nothign there |
| 23:34.50 | The_Eccentric | even with cd in there |
| 23:35.07 | Dillithamir | bad drive? |
| 23:36.24 | The_Eccentric | I was just using it 30 mins ago |
| 23:36.33 | The_Eccentric | my system crashed when trying to eject |
| 23:36.43 | The_Eccentric | the rebooted now cdrom is unresponsive |
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| 23:57.23 | Dillithamir | Prolly went bad then |
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