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| 00:43.49 | Dursto | Is linux mint debian base a good choice for starting out with Debian? |
| 00:44.29 | jagginess | Dursto, what's mint? |
| 00:44.37 | Dillithamir | linux mint is decent... and good if you're not familiar with setting some software up |
| 00:45.03 | blip2 | vanilla debian doesn't do a bad job |
| 00:45.04 | Dillithamir | I perfer the clean install of debian though |
| 00:45.18 | blip2 | I use crunchbang myself |
| 00:45.20 | jagginess | ehhehe clean install of debian means commands only :) |
| 00:45.26 | Dillithamir | yup :D |
| 00:45.38 | blip2 | best thing for servers ;) |
| 00:45.46 | Dillithamir | Yup. |
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| 00:45.56 | Dursto | I have difficulties with setting up wireless adapters within a terminal |
| 00:46.05 | Dillithamir | Ugh... me too |
| 00:46.09 | blip2 | wicd <3 |
| 00:46.19 | Dillithamir | So I don't... I install gnome and work from there |
| 00:46.25 | blip2 | specifically wicd-curses |
| 00:46.31 | blip2 | best thing in the world |
| 00:47.13 | Dillithamir | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.36 | Dursto | I tried OpenSuse and Ubuntu, but I didn't like Ubuntu and OpenSuse didn't function properly |
| 00:47.45 | Dursto | So, I think I will try Debian |
| 00:48.04 | Dillithamir | I haven't touched ubuntu since they brought out that Unity thing |
| 00:48.11 | Dursto | That's why I left |
| 00:48.42 | Dillithamir | I went to linux mint at first.... but then I just learned more of how to work linux and decided I liked just plain Debian without someone else's mods |
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| 00:49.21 | Dursto | Should I get stable or squeeze? |
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| 00:50.09 | amphi | squeeze is the stable release |
| 00:50.14 | Dillithamir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:50.44 | Dursto | Oops, I meant testing |
| 00:51.29 | amphi | testing can break, so if you are not very familiar with debian, it is not recommended |
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| 00:51.53 | Dillithamir | That's up to you really.... depends on how new you are to it and.... yeah |
| 00:52.20 | Dursto | Ok, also does it use the same partition layout as Ubuntu, an ext4 mounted at / and then swap? |
| 00:52.24 | amphi | !tell Dursto -about testing |
| 00:52.56 | Dillithamir | I think by default it uses ext3, but you can partition it manually |
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| 00:55.04 | jagginess | Dursto, any linux can be installed with 2 partitions (minimum is always 2), "/" and swap ( "/" can be ext4 ) |
| 00:55.39 | Dursto | Even Fedora? It uses a separate home partiton. |
| 00:55.53 | Dillithamir | Or you can go pro and make a different partition for all the different root dir's |
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| 00:56.11 | Dillithamir | Yeah... you can tell debian to make a guided separate /home partition |
| 00:56.23 | Dursto | Cool |
| 00:56.42 | jagginess | Dursto, Fedora can be installed with 2 partitions too. So it makes sense to say any linux can have a separate partition for "/home" as well.. |
| 00:56.57 | jagginess | Dursto, (i'm on #linux) |
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| 00:57.02 | Dursto | Thanks guys |
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| 00:57.12 | Dillithamir | If you just go for the straight defaults, the debian installer will keep everything in one partition |
| 00:57.34 | Dillithamir | Which I kinda like, 'cause then I don't have to worry about partition sizes |
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| 01:07.46 | somiaj | trying to figure out why my friends lxde automounter isn't working for his thumb drive, I get an 'bad fs header error, but if I just run mount manually it works just fine. Any suggestions on where to look for what is causing this issue (not use to automounters) |
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| 01:10.30 | Dillithamir | somiaj: sorry can't help you there... over my head :S |
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| 01:11.52 | laidback_01 | hey, not sure where to look... will the ATI 6670 work under debian with their proprietary driver? |
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| 01:12.47 | somiaj | Dillithamir: I just don't know anything about automountesrs, it just sounds easier than teaching my friend how to use the mount command |
| 01:13.10 | somiaj | laidback_01: that card may be a bit new foer the driver in squeeze, you may have to get one from backports |
| 01:13.53 | somiaj | but you can get a new xorg and kernal/drivers from squeeze-backports. It should work but I'm unsure what versinos do (I don't keep up with ati) |
| 01:13.57 | Dillithamir | Here's a page that might help you laidback_01 -- if you haven't seen it already: http://26maret1991.blogspot.com/2011/11/install-ati-radeon-hd-driver-in-debian.html |
| 01:14.05 | somiaj | but both the non-free or free drivers are available though dbian |
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| 01:15.16 | laidback_01 | okay, good, glad to know it's likely to have support. I was running an nvidia originally, but the card failed - fan burnout. ati cost $90 and nvidia $150, so i chose the ATI this time. My desktop *was* freebsd... looks like I'm going to be using linux again. |
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| 01:16.02 | somiaj | I like the nvidia non-re drivers better in linux if you want full 3d support for gaming |
| 01:16.03 | Dillithamir | I never tried freeBSD but have heard its supposed to be better.... you didn't like it? |
| 01:16.34 | somiaj | but if you just want a powerful card on a 2d desktop, the radeon free drivers are far better than neaouveau in my expereince |
| 01:17.16 | somiaj | Dillithamir: s/better/different/ |
| 01:18.07 | somiaj | Dillithamir: It will do somethings nicer but otherthigns can be more painful. To me depends on what the user likes |
| 01:18.29 | somiaj | laidback_01: debian has a kfreebsd port if you want a bsd kernel (: |
| 01:18.31 | Dillithamir | I just find there's generally more support/information out there for debian so I never bothered to try it heh |
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| 01:18.46 | laidback_01 | I really like freebsd |
| 01:19.01 | laidback_01 | just I bought a vid card that's not supported by freebsd |
| 01:19.10 | laidback_01 | I think I might just take it back and get an nvidia instead. |
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| 01:19.41 | laidback_01 | after reading the articles, it looks like the ati sucks for linux too. it works, just not that well. |
| 01:19.53 | Dillithamir | Figures lol |
| 01:20.07 | somiaj | laidback_01: my experince is it really depends on what you want |
| 01:20.22 | Dillithamir | I bought an ATI card not too long ago.... waiting for an Nvidia one to come in the mail and I can't wait to switch it out heh |
| 01:20.22 | laidback_01 | I want my triple monitors back |
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| 01:20.41 | laidback_01 | nvidia gave that to me... ati just can't do it unless it's windows I think |
| 01:20.42 | somiaj | laidback_01: do you want to do any gaming? |
| 01:20.48 | laidback_01 | and I'll *not* use windows |
| 01:20.51 | laidback_01 | no, I'm a coder |
| 01:21.01 | laidback_01 | I write software... don't care about games |
| 01:21.01 | somiaj | laidback_01: if all you want is multiple monintor support the free radeon drivers work great with ati |
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| 01:21.50 | somiaj | laidback_01: I really think they are much better than nvidia drivers. The only thing I think nvidia does better (which isn't that much these days) is 3d gaming support. |
| 01:21.52 | Dillithamir | somiaj, I'm curious now -- what would you say in terms of gaming? |
| 01:22.27 | somiaj | Dillithamir: I game with wine and historycially the nvidia cards had better results. I use a 460gtx these days |
| 01:22.49 | somiaj | Dillithamir: but I hear that the difference between the two isn't as big as it use to be 5-7 years ago when I last researched it |
| 01:23.27 | Dillithamir | The cards I get might be that old lol... I tend to get whatever goes for $25 or less from newegg |
| 01:23.48 | somiaj | yea for a gaming card expect to pay $100 for a lower end one. |
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| 01:24.14 | Dillithamir | Have any suggestions on setting up wine? last I tried I couldn't get 3d objects to work under debian but linux mint worked on the same hardware |
| 01:24.46 | somiaj | I compile my own wine packages. My usggestion with wine is to compile it from source and not use the debian wine packages |
| 01:25.05 | Dillithamir | Ok, thanks |
| 01:25.15 | somiaj | but as for 3d, that isn't part of wine. It coudl be debian doesn't use the non-free nvidia drivers by default and mint does |
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| 01:25.52 | laidback_01 | and if you like linux mint - the way it works, looks, etc, you can use LMDE - Linux Mint Debian Edition.... it's what I use on my laptops. not an ubuntu fan, LMDE is very nice though. |
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| 01:25.56 | somiaj | !tell Dillithamir about nvidia dkms |
| 01:26.06 | nevyn | !mint |
| 01:26.07 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 01:26.33 | somiaj | laidback_01: just use debian, it has better support. |
| 01:26.43 | Dillithamir | I'll have to check that... I have it set for all non-free but never checked to see if it followed through |
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| 01:26.57 | somiaj | (it just doesn't have the defaults most like since debian gievs way more choices) |
| 01:26.59 | nevyn | if it followed through? |
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| 01:27.19 | somiaj | just enabiling non-free repos will not install the nvidia non-free drivers |
| 01:27.51 | Dillithamir | Yeah... I never checked to see if it did or not |
| 01:28.33 | nevyn | iif it did WHAT? |
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| 01:29.03 | Dillithamir | If it installed the non-free drivers when I ran updates |
| 01:29.42 | somiaj | Dillithamir: dpkg -l | grep nvidida (you sould see a list of packages) |
| 01:30.01 | somiaj | glxinfo should also help ya to see if you have 3d support enabled |
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| 01:46.58 | Bunie | hey guys! how noob-friendly is debian, in comparison to other distros such as Ubuntu |
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| 01:47.52 | nvz | Bunie: we have a larger, more experienced support community, and the installer is WIDHE compliant |
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| 01:48.10 | nvz | Bunie: however Ubuntu and some others focus more on user interface and stuff |
| 01:48.54 | somiaj | Bunie: the defaults are less configured and debian provides way more choice than the other places (so it seems harder at first). But there is a far bigger and better support comunity and lots of good documentation if you are willing to read |
| 01:49.21 | nvz | Bunie: debian's priorities are essentially freedom, stability, and having all that on as many architectures as possible |
| 01:49.46 | Bunie | yeah i read on the About page that you guys are friendly and help out even the newest linux users? :o |
| 01:50.15 | Bunie | the thing about other distros is (in my opinion) they come pre-loaded with a ton of software i'll never use. lol |
| 01:50.16 | nvz | on that note debian has been well known for their documentation, and has contributed documentation to things that would otherwise be undocumented upstream or in other distros |
| 01:50.19 | Bunie | does Debian? |
| 01:50.45 | somiaj | you can install a minimal base system (sueezes base system is like 200-300megs) |
| 01:50.57 | Bunie | does it have an interface? |
| 01:51.13 | nvz | Bunie: debian by default does a base install which is very minimal and small, essentials to boot to console with package management. at one point you have a task selector where you can choose categories such as web server, desktop system, laptop.etc |
| 01:51.19 | somiaj | from there you can only intsall the packages you want and apt will figure out the dependencies for you. And if you run debian sueeze thigns work well |
| 01:51.45 | Bunie | that would be nice, nvz, but even with a GUI my wireless gives me trouble. im afraid of trying to fix it with a console (terminal is the proper term? lol) |
| 01:51.51 | nvz | Bunie: as for the desktop interface the default is GNOME, however there are alternate install disks for LXDE, KDE, and XFCE which are 3 other complete environments in debian. |
| 01:52.00 | somiaj | Bunie: the default interface is just a simple shell in a console mode. It won't be graphial. You can also goto live.debian.net and check out the precofnigured desktops, I like lxde myself, but there are other images there |
| 01:52.23 | Bunie | KDE is the best to switch from Windows with, yes? |
| 01:52.31 | Bunie | For a windows user to be the most "comfortable" |
| 01:52.56 | Bunie | thing about KDE is it has a bunch of software i dont want, like that browser and such |
| 01:52.59 | nvz | Bunie: not necessarily.. gnome even has an XP theme you can get online.. its a simple shell script that makes it look nearly identical to windows XP |
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| 01:53.31 | Bunie | I tried Ubuntu's gnome, when it maximizes theres no minimize or unmaximize button, etc, it drives me nuts. |
| 01:53.50 | Bunie | i used to love gnome before, Gnome2 or whatever, i cant remember |
| 01:53.53 | nvz | Bunie: you can always pull the whole desktop environment with metapackages like kde or gnome, then remove individual components or just install a more minimal metapackage like kde-core or such and then install the additional things you want |
| 01:54.12 | Bunie | that could work! ^^ Like i said, im 99% new |
| 01:54.16 | somiaj | Bunie: debian squeeze (Stable) uses gnome 2.2. though gnome 3 will come out with wheezy, but that is still a year or more away |
| 01:54.30 | nvz | Bunie: thats unity, which is different than gnome 3 but yes, gnome 3 is weird compared to gnome 2 |
| 01:54.33 | Bunie | im hoping you guys can recommend a build for me |
| 01:55.03 | Bunie | i want something not weighted down, but user friendly. |
| 01:55.13 | Bunie | no chance theres a kde-core debian iso? lol |
| 01:55.28 | Bunie | i suppose i can install kde-core over eathernet, and then set up my wireless |
| 01:55.32 | Bunie | would that work? |
| 01:55.44 | Bunie | with that small terminal package that was mentioned? |
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| 01:56.04 | nvz | Bunie: no, but if you were to just not select a desktop environment in the task selector then login via console (base install would be really quick and you can reboot) then you can apt-get install kde-core or such |
| 01:56.13 | nvz | !depends kde-core |
| 01:56.39 | Bunie | well what about that uhm, 200-300MB image you guys mentioned? |
| 01:56.45 | Bunie | i cant apt-get kde-core ? |
| 01:56.49 | nevyn | sure. |
| 01:57.00 | Bunie | then use kde to fix my wireless? |
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| 01:57.03 | nvz | Bunie: not from the disk itself, but from a network mirror |
| 01:57.07 | Bunie | it'll have all that "additional drivers" stuff? |
| 01:57.17 | nvz | Bunie: to get kde from a disk you would need the KDE flavor of CD1 |
| 01:57.18 | Bunie | i know, ill connect via eathernet |
| 01:57.24 | nevyn | Bunie: find a wired network point for an hr and do the install |
| 01:57.40 | Bunie | thats the plan. =] but i wanna be sure that stuff like "additional drivers" is there. |
| 01:57.53 | nvz | apparently 'kde-core' isnt a valid package name..but typically the main metapackages of a DE depend on smaller specific metapackages |
| 01:58.29 | Bunie | 6.0.5 is stable? |
| 01:58.41 | nvz | Bunie: the "additional drivers" gui thing ubuntu has, isnt in debian.. you may want to consult with someone about your wifi now.. |
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| 01:58.53 | nvz | what kind it is, and someone could tell you what you'll need to make it work |
| 01:59.14 | nvz | personally I'm wandering off now.. you're in more than capable hands here.. :-P |
| 01:59.22 | Bunie | Broadcom, the package ubuntu offers mentions tons of wireless models so i assume its a generic driver |
| 01:59.32 | nevyn | kde-standard |
| 01:59.46 | nevyn | Bunie: what wireless nic do you have? |
| 01:59.58 | nvz | Bunie: well I also have a broadcom and use the broadcom-sta driver, but for my particular version I need to use the source from wheezy cause that in squeeze isnt new enough |
| 01:59.59 | Bunie | lol over my head now :P no idea. i dont even know the model. |
| 02:00.06 | Bunie | yeah, broadcom-sta i believe |
| 02:00.07 | nevyn | Bunie: and what wired nic |
| 02:00.18 | Bunie | i dunno what nic even is, sorry =[ |
| 02:00.19 | nvz | Bunie: are you on the system now? what OS is it using? |
| 02:00.34 | nvz | to tell you how to identify the card |
| 02:00.36 | Bunie | im not on it right now, still hunting for this 300MB ISO that was mentioned |
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| 02:01.11 | Bunie | im seeing images named like CD-53 and so on, im so lost lol |
| 02:01.25 | nevyn | !netinst |
| 02:01.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 02:01.34 | nevyn | Bunie: ^^ |
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| 02:01.49 | Bunie | oh i see one named netinst.iso |
| 02:02.03 | Bunie | it's 169MB lol |
| 02:02.07 | nvz | Bunie: yes, the whole entire stable distro on CD is like 53 discs |
| 02:02.11 | nevyn | but this will require some more fudging IF your wired ethernet needs firmware |
| 02:02.28 | nvz | Bunie: thats for complete offline access to the entire repository of about 30,000 packages |
| 02:02.30 | Bunie | So, recommendation? go with normal Debian? |
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| 02:03.00 | Bunie | or kde debian? since thats my plan anyway |
| 02:03.22 | nevyn | there's no such thing as gnome debian or kde debian really.. |
| 02:03.25 | nevyn | just debian |
| 02:03.31 | nevyn | there's a gnome debian team |
| 02:03.33 | nvz | Bunie: I will tell you this if you have no real preference to KDE, using gnome will be more familiar to more people as far as support goes.. KDE questions are often redirected to #debian-kde or #kde cause its not as widely supported by the regulars here |
| 02:03.36 | nevyn | and a debian kde team |
| 02:03.47 | nevyn | gnome is a nightmare |
| 02:03.49 | nevyn | use kde :) |
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| 02:04.03 | nvz | heh.. well we differ on that matter |
| 02:04.18 | nvz | I always thought KDE was way slower and uglier |
| 02:04.23 | Bunie | lol nvz, you help me get gnome to feel like Windows, and then ill go with it? :D |
| 02:04.26 | Blackshirt | What iscsi on linux? |
| 02:04.31 | nevyn | 4.0 was a disaster. 4.5 is very very pretty and functional |
| 02:04.33 | Bunie | KDE is slower then gnome |
| 02:04.38 | Bunie | in my experience |
| 02:04.40 | somiaj | ok so it seems lxde is trying to mount the usb driver as a udf (cdrom format) and not a vfat format...any clue what could be causing this...(grumbles at auto tools) |
| 02:04.41 | Bunie | but my experience is very little lol |
| 02:04.54 | nevyn | Blackshirt: yes? |
| 02:05.25 | Blackshirt | I mean what is iscsi? |
| 02:05.49 | nevyn | iscsi is a network block storage protocol |
| 02:05.57 | nevyn | like FCOE |
| 02:06.06 | Bunie | Okay so what do i download, CD-1? |
| 02:06.08 | nevyn | except not horrible like FCOE |
| 02:06.25 | nvz | Bunie: basically you just dowload and extract this and run the script and it does it for you http://ubuntu.online02.com/files/XP_Gnome.tar.gz |
| 02:06.39 | Bunie | bad link, nvz |
| 02:06.41 | nvz | Bunie: it even gives you a shell script to automatically change it back |
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| 02:07.34 | Bunie | nvz: noobiest question ever lol, can you link me to the CD image i need to install Debian with? |
| 02:07.41 | Bunie | is it CD-1 or what? |
| 02:08.20 | LtL | Bunie: cd1 yes |
| 02:08.26 | nevyn | Bunie: you can install debian with any of CD-1 DVD-1 or the netinst cd |
| 02:08.31 | nevyn | it doesn't really matter |
| 02:08.37 | Bunie | was making sure that was it lol |
| 02:08.38 | nvz | ah indeed, sure you could still find it somewhere, but thats where I tested it from |
| 02:08.43 | nvz | wanders off |
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| 02:10.35 | PigDude | hi, I get very poor dns response times from my debian laptop |
| 02:10.59 | PigDude | i am using the same servers however as on my work mac laptop which has good, predictable behavior |
| 02:11.10 | PigDude | (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4) |
| 02:11.20 | PigDude | how might i go about troubleshooting this? |
| 02:12.53 | nevyn | use you isp's nameservers? |
| 02:13.05 | daniel-s_ | hi |
| 02:13.14 | daniel-s_ | I have some packages form backports |
| 02:13.15 | nevyn | rather than random available to everyone on the internet ones? |
| 02:13.29 | PigDude | nevyn, my isps are far slower |
| 02:13.41 | daniel-s_ | but they require dependencies that are in backports, but the stable versions of which are being installed by default |
| 02:13.49 | Bunie | Google DNS isnt too bad, i use it on my xbox |
| 02:14.02 | daniel-s_ | how do it tell apt-get to install dependencies from backports rather than refusing to install packages? |
| 02:14.03 | PigDude | nevyn, i could run my own of course but the point is that i have noticably poor network performance in this way on my debian machine |
| 02:14.13 | PigDude | which is really weird because i get great performance from my debian server |
| 02:14.18 | PigDude | network-wise etc |
| 02:14.25 | somiaj | arg, damn fstab entry messing everythign up |
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| 02:17.31 | Bunie | Gnite Guys! spam you with questions tomorrow =D |
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| 02:19.46 | daniel-s_ | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch <--- why does this always happen? |
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| 02:20.49 | abrotman | daniel-s_: a) you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org b) a bad sync |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | daniel-s_: there are at least 10 .au mirrors .. use one of those |
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| 02:25.50 | nevyn | this is happening for me on mirrors as well |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | cause you're all in australia and telestra hates you all equally |
| 02:26.29 | abrotman | or whatever that ISP is |
| 02:26.56 | daniel-s_ | oh yea, telstra sucks dick |
| 02:27.13 | daniel-s_ | curses his housemates who choose the stupid internet plans |
| 02:27.15 | Blackshirt | What is iscsi? |
| 02:27.30 | nevyn | Blackshirt: I told you already. |
| 02:28.17 | nevyn | iscsi is a network block storage protocol |
| 02:28.25 | Blackshirt | Thanks nevyn...but sory, i have lost my connection |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | google could have told you |
| 02:29.05 | Blackshirt | Nevyn, that's not related ti hardware? |
| 02:29.19 | Blackshirt | To |
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| 02:30.22 | nsadmin | there is hardware that talks iscsi protocol |
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| 02:31.08 | nevyn | there is. |
| 02:31.12 | abrotman | Blackshirt: have you tried google or wikipedia ? |
| 02:31.14 | nevyn | but it's not REQUIRED |
| 02:32.03 | Blackshirt | Abrotman, yes, i have |
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| 02:33.33 | abrotman | boggles |
| 02:33.37 | Blackshirt | One more, i have try to install tomoyo -tools from stables repo, but look very long to configure it...and stuck on post configure,,take a hour and more |
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| 03:05.58 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 03:05.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 03:08.23 | Blue1 | what is wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces? http://paste.debian.net/172595/ this worked in ubuntu. |
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| 03:09.46 | nsadmin | Blue1, first take a look at the output of ifconfig -a |
| 03:10.44 | nsadmin | (you'll see paragraphs and labels) does every label in your interfaces file match one in the ifconfig output? |
| 03:11.19 | Blue1 | nsadmin: yes -- etho |
| 03:11.26 | Blue1 | nsadmin: eth0 |
| 03:11.47 | nsadmin | Blue1, then, "doesn't work" has no information, what exactly is happening, and when you do what? |
| 03:12.10 | Blue1 | nsadmin: the error message is below - it says too many parameters |
| 03:12.40 | Blue1 | nsadmin: /etc/network/interfaces:1: too many parameters for iface line |
| 03:13.34 | nsadmin | it looks like it doesn't like inline comments |
| 03:13.48 | Blue1 | okay I will nuke the comments |
| 03:14.02 | nsadmin | or move them |
| 03:14.12 | Blue1 | nsadmin: i can move them |
| 03:14.29 | epsilon | and tab the lines after iface |
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| 03:15.46 | Blue1 | nsadmin: who knew? that fixed the problem |
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| 03:16.35 | nsadmin | so ubuntu must have changed the parser to allow inline comments |
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| 03:17.45 | Blue1 | nsadmin: i guess so. i have always used inline comments -- who knew? |
| 03:17.55 | nsadmin | Blue1, gud enuf :) |
| 03:18.06 | Blue1 | nsadmin: thank you |
| 03:18.07 | epsilon | Blue1: man interfaces, 2nd scentence in Description |
| 03:18.26 | nsadmin | smelly scentence! |
| 03:18.53 | Blue1 | epsilon: indeed -- i just figured it worked in ubuntu should work in debian -- NOT! |
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| 03:19.15 | nsadmin | that would make ubuntu what? |
| 03:19.17 | nsadmin | different. |
| 03:19.32 | Blue1 | nsadmin: yup. I will post this on pkill-9.com |
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| 03:19.48 | Silversong | Question :| what's Arch/ |
| 03:19.51 | Silversong | ?* |
| 03:20.10 | nsadmin | arch is approximately your cpu |
| 03:20.39 | Silversong | it's the processor unit for linux/ |
| 03:20.39 | nsadmin | like, armel, amd64, i386 and mips are arches |
| 03:20.41 | Silversong | ?* |
| 03:20.43 | Silversong | oh |
| 03:20.51 | Silversong | i see |
| 03:21.21 | Silversong | architecture :| |
| 03:21.25 | nsadmin | yep |
| 03:21.40 | Silversong | new to this stuff. xD Thanks :) |
| 03:21.50 | nsadmin | and what Kelly Bundy does when the arrow hits the target |
| 03:22.06 | Silversong | O__O |
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| 03:24.41 | alfplayer | or Arch Linux the distro |
| 03:26.28 | nsadmin | or arch the source code version control system |
| 03:28.34 | peterrooney | it's things like that that make me wonder how folk at canonical ties their own shoes. |
| 03:30.14 | Dillithamir | Peterrooney: because we live in an imperfect world where lousy stuff with a good face gets the attention |
| 03:30.26 | nsadmin | there are two possible "that"s that that could be |
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| 03:32.26 | nsadmin | hmm, that's interesting... my cdrom isn't owned by floppy group any more |
| 03:32.44 | peterrooney | scrapping inittab was the epitome of hubris. |
| 03:33.30 | Dillithamir | So was UnityOne |
| 03:34.18 | dalias | inittab is not useful |
| 03:34.27 | dalias | it's legacy crap |
| 03:34.41 | dalias | just like utmp, lastlog, finger, and a bunch of other junk |
| 03:35.09 | dalias | there's no actual modern problem it solves, much less one that would require it to be a core system component |
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| 03:44.55 | peterrooney | dalias: I think it handles vc logins quite neatly, and the second thing I do to an install is tack "blablablah....top>/dev/tty12" on to the end of it. |
| 03:45.37 | parcs` | is there a mailing list i should subscrube to as a debian testing/sid user? |
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| 03:46.11 | dalias | peterrooney, but why does this belong in init? |
| 03:46.57 | dalias | and the answer is "because someone 20-some years ago did it that way for no good reason" |
| 03:47.03 | dalias | not "because it makes sense to do it that way" |
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| 03:51.23 | nsadmin | parcs`, you could subscribe to debian-devel and when you encounter problems, you could look at bugs.debian.org (where they're reported) |
| 03:52.56 | darkelfjuggalo | I reformatted a computer to squeeze... I'm trying to update the sources, but I can't find the source list |
| 03:53.30 | nsadmin | well yours should be in /etc/apt |
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| 03:54.54 | nsadmin | is it that you want squeeze and you have something earlier now? |
| 03:55.08 | nsadmin | or have squeeze, want later? |
| 03:55.09 | peterrooney | dalias: because init (which I doubt could realisticly be done away with) needs a configuration file, and back then they called them tab for tables instead of rc for run control |
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| 03:56.31 | darkelfjuggalo | I have squeeze, fresh install, trying to make sure contrib is a source and add Non-Free |
| 03:56.52 | parcs` | nsadmin: okay, thanks |
| 03:56.57 | ultimedia | is the clicky buntu unity crap coming into debian ? |
| 03:57.09 | darkelfjuggalo | i usually do this in nano but nano is opening a blank document for sources.list |
| 03:57.11 | nsadmin | ok, could you aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 03:58.29 | nsadmin | and then try cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
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| 03:58.55 | nsadmin | once you do that, at the very end will be a web url... could you show that |
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| 04:01.45 | darkelfjuggalo | terminal does not recognize nopaste |
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| 04:02.04 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, and then, if it turns out your sources.list is actually emoty or nonexistant, we'll make you a new one... approximately where are you? |
| 04:02.55 | nsadmin | hmm. you can't install without sources... |
| 04:03.15 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, take a look at cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:03.22 | darkelfjuggalo | i did find the sources.list through the File System in GNOME at etc/apt |
| 04:03.41 | nsadmin | and it's got stuff in it? |
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| 04:04.47 | darkelfjuggalo | yes it had stuff in it i see main contrib non-free but non-free usually isn't added on install |
| 04:05.14 | nsadmin | true... but, seems like you're already set |
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| 04:05.44 | darkelfjuggalo | I have set the accoutn as an admin, but Aptitude isn't recognized to update |
| 04:06.24 | nsadmin | how many lines in /etc/apt/sources.list start with deb (and not deb-src)? |
| 04:06.41 | darkelfjuggalo | 2 deb lines |
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| 04:06.56 | darkelfjuggalo | squeeze-updats and squeeze-proposed-updates |
| 04:06.57 | nsadmin | could you show those one at a time? |
| 04:07.38 | darkelfjuggalo | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:08.25 | darkelfjuggalo | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates contrib non-free main |
| 04:08.27 | nsadmin | ok, where are you located? you are missing some sources I think |
| 04:08.43 | darkelfjuggalo | this is from the cat |
| 04:08.44 | nsadmin | the where part is for picking a close mirror |
| 04:09.07 | nsadmin | are you in US somewhere? |
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| 04:10.27 | darkelfjuggalo | US |
| 04:10.32 | nsadmin | ok, cool. |
| 04:11.02 | nsadmin | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 04:11.18 | nsadmin | and a security updates line, one sec |
| 04:11.55 | darkelfjuggalo | wow i was scanning and typing the ftp.us. is in them |
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| 04:12.11 | darkelfjuggalo | the cat showed two sections |
| 04:12.24 | nsadmin | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:12.33 | darkelfjuggalo | I'm going to pastebin the whole cate |
| 04:12.35 | darkelfjuggalo | cat^ |
| 04:12.43 | nsadmin | ok cool :) |
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| 04:13.43 | darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/172605 |
| 04:14.39 | nsadmin | ok, forget those lines I gave, you already have them... |
| 04:14.40 | darkelfjuggalo | for the deb cdrom, i didn't actually use the dvd i loaded the dvd to a flashdrive and ran it |
| 04:15.08 | nsadmin | you -could- comment those cdrom lines out... |
| 04:15.17 | darkelfjuggalo | should I restart to confirm the admin upgrade on the main user account? |
| 04:15.21 | nsadmin | if you want everything to come from the net |
| 04:15.43 | dvs | darkelfjuggalo: delete the cd rom lines if you have a working internet connection |
| 04:15.52 | darkelfjuggalo | comment # right |
| 04:15.52 | dvs | or comment |
| 04:16.09 | nsadmin | that part I'm unfamiliar with... my pov is that root is the admin acct |
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| 04:17.05 | nsadmin | any time you alter sources.list... you would run aptitude update so that aptitude takes into account the changes you made |
| 04:17.09 | darkelfjuggalo | in GNOME you can make an account an administrator w/o requireing su or sudo all the time |
| 04:17.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:17.30 | darkelfjuggalo | i tried to run the aptitude update and it wouldn't let me |
| 04:17.35 | nsadmin | didn't know that |
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| 04:18.00 | nsadmin | ok, try su - |
| 04:18.04 | nsadmin | and then run it |
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| 04:18.37 | nsadmin | so far not sure about the effect of the gnome/admin thing |
| 04:18.57 | darkelfjuggalo | ok it's running now, thanks nsadmin and dvs |
| 04:19.03 | dvs | np |
| 04:19.34 | nsadmin | as long as you have those cdrom lines commented it will only pull from the net |
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| 04:31.42 | nsadmin | darkelfjuggalo, welcome. I guess the gnome/admin thing needs to be fixed |
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| 05:01.00 | Blue1 | epsilon: http://pkill-9.com/fix-parameters-iface-line-linux/ (thanks) |
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| 05:03.54 | CaneToad | hi....does anybody know how to get English spell checking to work in openoffice or libreoffice on debian squeeze? I've tried a few things without success |
| 05:05.07 | Blue1 | CaneToad: us english? uk english? canadian english? australian english? |
| 05:06.20 | CaneToad | Blue1: Australian english here |
| 05:07.13 | Blue1 | CaneToad: i use british english let me see if I remember |
| 05:09.05 | CaneToad | I've installed libreoffice-l10n-en-gb, but there's no en-au package |
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| 05:09.34 | Blue1 | CaneToad: tools/options/language settings/languages/locale setting |
| 05:10.02 | CaneToad | Blue1 presently shows Default - English (Australia) |
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| 05:11.34 | CaneToad | Blue1: whether I change it to English (UK) or not, spell checks find no problems even when there are garbage characters in the document. |
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| 05:11.52 | Blue1 | CaneToad: you may need to set the default language |
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| 05:13.13 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 05:13.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:13.29 | CaneToad | Blue1: If I pull down the Western field under "Default languages", only English (USA) has a little green tick to the left of it |
| 05:14.40 | Blue1 | CaneToad: http://picpaste.com/language-DmxQuqsC.jpg |
| 05:15.01 | chalcedony | under "install a different version of Adobe Flash Player" it offers a tar.gz and an apt version . do i want the tar.gz ? for iceweasel - it says firefox |
| 05:15.06 | chalcedony | ? |
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| 05:15.34 | Blue1 | chalcedony: you are aware of the v11 bug, yes? |
| 05:15.58 | chalcedony | blue1 um no? |
| 05:16.26 | Blue1 | chalcedony: http://pkill-9.com/de-smurfing-youtube-or-people-youtube-blue/ |
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| 05:17.38 | CaneToad | Blue1: mine now looks the same as yours, but it doesn't work |
| 05:17.40 | Blue1 | chalcedony: either case this shows where to put it. |
| 05:17.49 | Blue1 | CaneToad: :-=( |
| 05:18.06 | CaneToad | Blue1: maybe there are packages to install??? I've installed libreoffice-l10n-en-gb |
| 05:18.27 | Blue1 | CaneToad: nope mine works with british english fine - iow colour instead of color |
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| 05:18.42 | chalcedony | blue1 i have 32 bit debian (an error but i can live with it), the article says the 64 bit is buggy? |
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| 05:19.58 | Blue1 | chalcedony: yeah = I have not tried the 32 bit verson, but if end up with smurf vision, that's wy. |
| 05:20.19 | chalcedony | i wish my sound worked |
| 05:20.24 | Blue1 | CaneToad: you would choose australian english instead of british english |
| 05:20.32 | chalcedony | youtube is nothing without sound too |
| 05:20.50 | Blue1 | chalcedony: what kind of sound card? |
| 05:20.57 | chalcedony | sec |
| 05:21.43 | Blue1 | chalcedony: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 05:21.58 | chalcedony | thanks |
| 05:22.13 | Blue1 | I need an invisible cat |
| 05:22.25 | chalcedony | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) |
| 05:23.04 | Blue1 | do you have alsa installed? |
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| 05:23.29 | chalcedony | i think so |
| 05:23.40 | chalcedony | ~$ alsa |
| 05:23.42 | chalcedony | bash: alsa: command not found |
| 05:23.58 | Blue1 | chalcedony: priv. message ok? |
| 05:24.08 | chalcedony | sure |
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| 05:26.58 | CaneToad | Blue1: got it working by downloading and installing an extension from http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/american-british-canadian-spelling-hyphen-thesaurus-dictionaries |
| 05:27.33 | Blue1 | CaneToad: right you are - I'd forgotten I did that step! |
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| 05:27.54 | CaneToad | Blue1: thanks for your assistance |
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| 05:28.13 | Blue1 | CaneToad: apologies |
| 05:28.21 | CaneToad | Blue1: no worries :) |
| 05:29.06 | Blue1 | CaneToad: this is how to fix abiword, fwiw -- http://pkill-9.com/changing-default-language-for-abiword/ |
| 05:29.10 | darkelfjuggalo | ok so I installed Google Chrome to squeeze, but I can't find the launcher in my file system...it didn't go to Applications>Internet in my GNOME |
| 05:29.45 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 05:29.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:30.38 | Blue1 | darkelfjuggalo: how did you install it? tar? |
| 05:30.54 | darkelfjuggalo | .deb Gdebi Package Installer |
| 05:31.35 | Blue1 | if you do: dpkg -l | grep chrome |
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| 05:31.39 | Blue1 | what does it show? |
| 05:33.04 | darkelfjuggalo | it gave me a list of dpkg commands |
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| 05:33.46 | Blue1 | darkelfjuggalo: hmm |
| 05:34.44 | darkelfjuggalo | i did grep chrome and it's still processing |
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| 05:35.47 | Blue1 | should return something like: |
| 05:35.49 | Blue1 | dpkg -l | grep chrome |
| 05:35.50 | Blue1 | ii google-chrome-stable 19.0.1084.52-r138391 The web browser from Google |
| 05:35.50 | Blue1 | ii xserver-xorg-video-openchrome 1:0.2.904+svn842-2 X.Org X server -- VIA display driver |
| 05:35.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep chrome |
| 05:36.56 | darkelfjuggalo | ok -l | you misses something above |
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| 05:37.05 | Blue1 | then it's not installed |
| 05:37.16 | Blue1 | Blue1: might be better to get the tar |
| 05:37.46 | darkelfjuggalo | nvm I misread the above and mis typed the command |
| 05:37.59 | Blue1 | ahh |
| 05:39.11 | Blue1 | darkelfjuggalo: this shows how to install firefox http://pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/ but the processis similar for chrome from a tar image |
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| 05:39.54 | darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/172614 |
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| 05:41.27 | Blue1 | darkelfjuggalo: is that in your path? it defaults to /opt iirc |
| 05:42.54 | darkelfjuggalo | ok, found it, there now to figure out the launcher bc it's labeled differently than I'm used to |
| 05:43.21 | Blue1 | let me see what I have for launcher code brb |
| 05:43.40 | Blue1 | darkelfjuggalo: /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome %U |
| 05:43.49 | darkelfjuggalo | found it, i was mixing up GNOME's program icons |
| 05:44.22 | darkelfjuggalo | in the file system it wont show the chrome icon but when I move it to the panel it will |
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| 05:51.05 | burhan | does rsync monitor for changes, or do I have to stick it on cron? |
| 05:53.01 | Blue1 | burhan: will depends on when you want to run it - it does not run by itself |
| 05:53.53 | burhan | hmm I need it to monitor changes to a directory and synchronize a remote host with them. |
| 05:54.15 | burhan | is there a way I can know if a file has been modified so I can run the rsync command? |
| 05:54.25 | Blue1 | burhan: i have a script for that hang on. |
| 05:55.23 | Blue1 | burhan: http://pkill-9.com/scheduling-a-backup-script-with-crontab-for-ubuntudebian/ cron schedule and if you hit previous post - that's the backup script |
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| 05:57.40 | peterrooney | burhan: rsync is desinged to find those modified files. |
| 05:58.09 | burhan | peterrooney: how quick is it? |
| 05:58.36 | burhan | I mean, if I touch foo.txt will it pick that up, or do I have to wait a few minutes? |
| 05:58.59 | peterrooney | burhan: very. |
| 05:59.18 | peterrooney | burhan: that's no how rsync works. |
| 05:59.44 | burhan | oh |
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| 06:01.06 | Blue1 | burhan: its immediate |
| 06:01.08 | peterrooney | burhan: when you invoke rsync (either manually, or as part of a cron job) it locates changed files and transfers over only the changed parts. If you wnat, you can exclude files and directories. |
| 06:01.51 | Blue1 | burhan: thaty's all in my script |
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| 06:07.37 | burhan | why is it that my systems never have their locale setup correctly, I always have to manually dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 06:07.51 | jasres | hello |
| 06:08.11 | dalias | burhan, i suspect you have a very backwards idea of what "correctly" means |
| 06:08.16 | jasres | I have a problem with debian testing. Sometimes it gets freeze |
| 06:08.36 | dalias | last i checked debian's locales have been setup correctly out of the box for the past 5+ years |
| 06:09.11 | jasres | And I cant do anything and I have to force shutdown |
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| 06:10.53 | peterrooney | dalias: there is no "correct" setup of locales, just like there is no correct setup of a machine's host name. |
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| 06:11.42 | burhan | dalias: actually, what I mean is - when I am installing my system and I need to set it to use en_US.UTF-8, I don't know what to set in the installer so it does that. |
| 06:11.56 | burhan | dalias: I always choose C, and then English - but apparently this is wrong :/ |
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| 06:19.23 | dalias | peterrooney, well any non-utf-8 locale is definitely incorrect |
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| 06:48.27 | squarepeg | hello |
| 06:48.37 | squarepeg | I have a new installation of debian |
| 06:48.49 | squarepeg | my wifi chip is intel 6050 |
| 06:49.16 | squarepeg | I've installed firmware-iwlwfif 0.28+squeeze |
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| 06:49.41 | squarepeg | and I've tested it with wicd, and I don't see any connections |
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| 06:50.14 | squarepeg | I can see my wifi chip named in the output of dmesg |
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| 07:06.17 | HurricaneHarry | squarepeg: google has a lot of mentions using backports.org with 6050 intel chipset. |
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| 07:08.51 | nsadmin | squarepeg, lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l |
| 07:09.34 | HurricaneHarry | squarepeg: backports.org has: firmware-iwlwifi (0.35~bpo60+1) |
| 07:10.24 | squarepeg | HurricaneHarry: thanks |
| 07:10.31 | squarepeg | lemme try that... |
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| 07:11.38 | squarepeg | nsadmin: 2 |
| 07:13.16 | nsadmin | ok, (directly) means wc found two lines, so the grep returned two lines, which means there are two lines in your lspci that have "net" in them |
| 07:13.29 | nsadmin | take away the | wc -l |
| 07:13.37 | nsadmin | and show one of the lines |
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| 07:14.58 | squarepeg | ok |
| 07:15.41 | nsadmin | btw, wc -l means "count lines" |
| 07:15.47 | squarepeg | yep |
| 07:15.56 | squarepeg | thanks for the reminder. |
| 07:16.24 | nsadmin | bumps level |
| 07:16.25 | squarepeg | so the output mentions my centrino chip and a fast ethernet controller from realtek |
| 07:16.43 | nsadmin | which one would you like to work with now? |
| 07:16.45 | squarepeg | but I can't copy paste it unfortunately |
| 07:17.07 | nsadmin | do you have wired net? |
| 07:17.08 | squarepeg | centrino |
| 07:17.12 | squarepeg | no wires |
| 07:17.27 | squarepeg | I'm about to install this backports firmware package |
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| 07:18.01 | nsadmin | ok, curious, how are you getting stuff in/out of that machine? |
| 07:18.13 | squarepeg | sneaker net |
| 07:18.25 | squarepeg | usb |
| 07:18.25 | nsadmin | can it do files? |
| 07:18.42 | squarepeg | yep, just about to transfer one |
| 07:19.02 | nsadmin | cool... when you're done with that... |
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| 07:19.27 | squarepeg | here goes nothing... |
| 07:20.04 | nsadmin | squarepeg, lspci -nn | grep -i net > ~/pci.txt |
| 07:20.16 | squarepeg | okay, that's the first thing I'm going to do after this reboots |
| 07:20.32 | squarepeg | I'm embarrassed to say I still use those old windows habits |
| 07:20.40 | nsadmin | then transfer ~/pci.txt out, then pastebin |
| 07:20.54 | squarepeg | okay |
| 07:20.59 | squarepeg | will do |
| 07:21.03 | nsadmin | the nuns that use those habits concur... |
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| 07:21.46 | zawapete | hi all |
| 07:22.05 | squarepeg | okay, no dice after the backports package installation |
| 07:22.06 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 07:22.56 | zawapete | what's the "default" solution for service supervision on debian? |
| 07:23.08 | zawapete | restard/deamontools/etc |
| 07:23.24 | zawapete | (the first, i guess) |
| 07:23.36 | nsadmin | I like daemontools, but I don't believe that's the default |
| 07:24.03 | nevyn | sysvinit |
| 07:24.10 | zawapete | i'd like a solution that doesn't need any change/suits to init.d/rc.d default |
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| 07:24.28 | nevyn | with start-stop-daemon |
| 07:25.21 | zawapete | nevyn: does it handle when daemon stop and must be restarted automatically? |
| 07:25.33 | nvz | random curiousty.. just plugged in an hdmi cable for the first time, and it auto detected the display and enabled the tv as an extended desktop on the laptop.. but the sound just has a slow pulsing click noise through the tv |
| 07:25.35 | nevyn | nope |
| 07:25.48 | nvz | anyone know anything special about hdmi audio out in debian? |
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| 07:26.19 | zawapete | nevyn: i need a tool to restart dovect that time moves backwards |
| 07:26.24 | nsadmin | squarepeg, ok, show the line from pci.txt |
| 07:26.49 | zawapete | i already use sysvinit for daemon lanunching |
| 07:27.07 | squarepeg | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 [8086:0087] (rev 5f) |
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| 07:27.20 | squarepeg | nsadmin: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) |
| 07:27.35 | nsadmin | and that's the other one? |
| 07:27.38 | zawapete | s/that time/when time/ |
| 07:27.42 | squarepeg | those are the two lines |
| 07:27.52 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:0087] |
| 07:27.53 | judd | [8086:0087] is 'Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0087 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 07:28.24 | nsadmin | ok, try modprobe iwlagn |
| 07:28.30 | zawapete | but deamontools is a solution on its own, non-compliant with sysvinit, as far as i know |
| 07:28.45 | nsadmin | zawapete, true |
| 07:29.12 | squarepeg | nsadmin: that's a useful irc bot |
| 07:29.25 | squarepeg | thanks for the info |
| 07:29.39 | nsadmin | did that work? |
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| 07:30.22 | squarepeg | I haven't made it work yet |
| 07:30.36 | squarepeg | iwconfig isn't installed |
| 07:31.00 | nsadmin | , file bin/iwconfig |
| 07:31.04 | judd | Search for bin/iwconfig in squeeze/i386: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig |
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| 07:31.50 | squarepeg | that worked |
| 07:32.24 | nsadmin | so you should have iwconfig now |
| 07:32.57 | squarepeg | yeah, it's just not in my path |
| 07:33.23 | nsadmin | it's not? so your root path isn't established |
| 07:33.37 | squarepeg | I suppose |
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| 07:34.05 | nsadmin | try /sbin/iwlist scan |
| 07:34.38 | squarepeg | wlan0 failed to read scan data : network is down |
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| 07:35.02 | nsadmin | ok, try ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 07:35.07 | squarepeg | right |
| 07:35.08 | nsadmin | then try the scan agan |
| 07:36.02 | squarepeg | got it |
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| 07:36.17 | nsadmin | the scan succeded? |
| 07:36.25 | squarepeg | yeah, I see my WAP |
| 07:37.32 | cads | Hi, I'm performing a dist-ugrade from squeeze to wheezy, and I've got a disk space question. There will be 2.5 GB of packaged downloaded, and 1 gb of space required after - my root partition only has 3.3 gb available: Will I have to stop mid way? |
| 07:37.43 | squarepeg | but now I must connect to it |
| 07:37.51 | squarepeg | wicd wasn't working for some reason... |
| 07:37.59 | nsadmin | in your /etc/network/interfaces... put this: |
| 07:38.08 | cads | or has apt-get decide "yeah, looks like we have enough space" |
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| 07:38.16 | cads | decided* |
| 07:38.39 | amphorion | cads: apt-get clean ?? |
| 07:38.44 | nsadmin | # iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 07:38.44 | nsadmin | # wireless-essid linksys |
| 07:38.44 | nsadmin | # # wireless-key foooooo |
| 07:39.03 | nsadmin | uncomment, and uncomment the key |
| 07:39.06 | cads | amphorion, there's actually very little space in the apt cache directories |
| 07:39.38 | cads | rather, they seem to be clean already |
| 07:39.50 | cads | most of the space use comes from /usr/share |
| 07:39.51 | nsadmin | then edit the ssid and key |
| 07:39.55 | amphorion | cads: mhhh... |
| 07:39.58 | nsadmin | then try ifup wlan0 |
| 07:40.06 | squarepeg | yep |
| 07:40.25 | nsadmin | this is a laptop? |
| 07:41.40 | squarepeg | yeah, a dell mini |
| 07:41.50 | squarepeg | which I'm not crazy about, due to the keyboard layout |
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| 07:43.29 | squarepeg | alright, my essid has spaces in it, so I suppose it needs to be inside quotes? |
| 07:43.48 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 07:43.52 | squarepeg | (I've replaced the network card in this dell mini) |
| 07:44.12 | amphorion | cads: i don't know how much space is reserved for root on your partition... it could work or fail... |
| 07:44.39 | squarepeg | okay, I've made those edits to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:51.41 | nsadmin | ok, ifdown wlan0 then ifup wlan0 |
| 07:53.35 | squarepeg | nsadmin: i'm online |
| 07:53.37 | nsadmin | after that, you;ll need an "allow-hotplug wlan0" before the stanza |
| 07:53.42 | nsadmin | nice :) |
| 07:53.50 | squarepeg | thank you |
| 07:54.24 | squarepeg | right on brother |
| 07:55.14 | squarepeg | I switched my notebook from ubuntu to debian |
| 07:55.29 | nacimmep | congrats |
| 07:55.29 | nsadmin | so, that's the /etc/network/interfaces way,,, if you have gnome or kde you might want to install one of those network manager thingys |
| 07:55.45 | squarepeg | all so I don't have to hear that little hand-drum riff when I login |
| 07:56.12 | aidalgol | Plus, your system won't break every six months when you upgrade. |
| 07:57.00 | nacimmep | mine still breaks sometimes from my odd apt sources but sooner or later an upgrade makes it work again |
| 07:57.15 | squarepeg | I'll still use unoobtu, but I got a bit uncomfortable how little you hear about debian nowadays |
| 07:57.28 | squarepeg | so I wanted to make it my default again |
| 07:57.40 | nacimmep | im about to do a clean install someday i have messed up my system with junk build environments |
| 07:57.52 | nacimmep | and goofy configs all over the place |
| 07:58.19 | nacimmep | but its been running for like 2 years ;) |
| 07:58.31 | squarepeg | nsadmin, I'd like to be able to get along without gnome or kde |
| 07:58.39 | nsadmin | you can |
| 07:58.53 | squarepeg | but I haven't had any luck installing clfswm |
| 07:58.56 | nacimmep | i think i really just need a new computer |
| 07:59.11 | squarepeg | dwm is easy to use |
| 07:59.20 | squarepeg | stumpwm crashes now and then |
| 07:59.29 | nacimmep | my setup has a max res of 1024 |
| 07:59.30 | nsadmin | so, when you're out and about with your laptop, if you get another ssid/key from like a coffee house... |
| 07:59.50 | squarepeg | I'm using xfce |
| 07:59.57 | aidalgol | Pfft, real nerds use GNU screen in a virtual console. |
| 07:59.59 | nsadmin | you just ifdown wlan0, edit /etc/network/interfaces, ifup wlan0 |
| 08:00.04 | aidalgol | :P |
| 08:00.11 | squarepeg | nsadmin: right |
| 08:00.32 | nacimmep | cant watch youtube in screen terminal |
| 08:00.47 | nacimmep | :P |
| 08:00.47 | nsadmin | or, maybe xfce or generic X has a network manager-like app |
| 08:00.54 | squarepeg | nsadmin, that's how I ought to do it, so that I'm not depending on a gui-based connection manager |
| 08:01.02 | aidalgol | nsadmin: Yeah, Wicd. |
| 08:01.07 | nacimmep | wpa supplicant |
| 08:01.35 | aidalgol | squarepeg: Wicd has a curses interface. |
| 08:01.47 | nsadmin | aidalgol, that's what I'm using too |
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| 08:02.09 | aidalgol | nacimmep: mplayer -vo aa |
| 08:02.10 | aidalgol | :P |
| 08:02.14 | squarepeg | aidalgol: I'll try it, thanks |
| 08:02.48 | nacimmep | libcaca>libaa |
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| 08:03.32 | nsadmin | squarepeg, anyway, you have one way, and probably the ability to set up more |
| 08:03.39 | tintin | i knew there was a plugin for totem so that if i enter into a folder with movie from nautilus, it shows the images from that file which plugin is that? |
| 08:05.15 | squarepeg | nsadmin, with great power comes great respect |
| 08:06.15 | tintin | i knew there was a plugin for totem so that if i enter into a folder with movie from nautilus, it shows the images from that file which plugin is that? |
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| 08:19.01 | burhan | hrmm, debian-administration.org "Server on Fire! The load upon this server is currently too high to service your request, so it hass been denied in the interests of security. Please retry your request again later." |
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| 08:20.17 | aidalgol | "Server on fire!" "[...] denied in thee interests of security." Make up your mind. |
| 08:20.31 | aidalgol | Is it on fire, or are you paranoid? :P |
| 08:20.36 | burhan | lol |
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| 08:20.50 | tintin | for totem to run .avi files, The playback of this movie requires a MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3) decoder plugin which is not installed. |
| 08:20.52 | tintin | what to do? |
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| 08:22.05 | aidalgol | tintin: You're probably missing one or more of the gstreamer0.x-plugins-* packages. |
| 08:22.52 | mjt | heh. i asked this question several times here, but even on testing/wheezy weren't able to get it to work. Gave up, switched to vlc. |
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| 08:23.31 | mjt | (the next question was how to made vlc the default player, so nautilus et al don't try to run totem on every next video file -- which is still unanswered) |
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| 08:24.00 | aidalgol | gstreamer's modularity makes it hard to find the right packages for codecs. |
| 08:24.18 | mjt | i had all of them installed |
| 08:24.23 | tintin | then what to install instead of gstreamer ? |
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| 08:24.30 | mjt | (gstreamer-plugins-good, -bad, -extra) |
| 08:24.32 | burhan | I already have a key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but ssh is still asking for a password. |
| 08:24.40 | tintin | which packages makes thumbnailer in nautilus for video files |
| 08:24.57 | aidalgol | mjt: In the properties for any file, you can change the default applications for all files of that type. |
| 08:24.59 | tintin | i'm installing gstreamer-good/bad/ugly now. |
| 08:25.21 | mjt | aidalgol: yes, i know that; the question was how to make it the default for all video files at once and for all users. |
| 08:25.22 | nkuttler | burhan: start with ssh -v and watch /var/log/auth.log on the server |
| 08:25.33 | aidalgol | mjt: Oh, for all users, I have no idea. |
| 08:25.50 | burhan | hrmm, maybe I need the public key |
| 08:26.10 | mjt | aidalgol: even for one user, i just want to switch it like /etc/alternatives/www-browser, once for _all_ file types. |
| 08:26.40 | aidalgol | burhan: You're supposed to put your public key in authorized_keys. |
| 08:26.49 | aidalgol | You didn't put your private key on the server, did you? |
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| 08:29.24 | burhan | aidalgol: no, just the public key |
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| 08:29.47 | aidalgol | OK, good. And that should work, too. Odd. |
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| 08:30.05 | burhan | hrmm, I'll delete ~/.ssh and start over. |
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| 08:31.29 | Borillion | how does kernel/drivers/net/usb/hso.c relate to the menuconfig ? |
| 08:31.33 | Borillion | I cant seem to find it |
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| 08:34.29 | burhan | okay, this is what I did. Users are msv@sapp1, msv@sweb1 - the goal is to login to sweb1 from sapp1. On both servers I removed .ssh; on sweb1 ssh-keygen -t dsa, then scp id_dsa.pub to msv@sapp1:~/.ssh/pub-key.pub; then login to sapp1 and cat pub-key.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and chmod 600 authorized_keys; now when I try to ssh msv@sweb1, I get asked for the password |
| 08:37.56 | aidalgol | burhan: That should work. It's possible that the server has disabled key authentication. |
| 08:38.30 | aidalgol | Are you sure it's not asking you for the password to unlock your private key, and not the password on your server account? |
| 08:38.50 | burhan | lol yes, I may be green but not that green |
| 08:39.15 | aidalgol | Just checking. :) |
| 08:40.05 | burhan | on the target server, RSAAuthentication is yes, and PubkeyAuthentication is also yes |
| 08:40.21 | aidalgol | burhan: Try changing the permissions on authorized_keys to 644 |
| 08:40.48 | aidalgol | (It's a public key, so it doesn't need to be hidden from anyone.) |
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| 08:41.32 | aidalgol | I just realised that the ssh daemon needs to be able to read that file. |
| 08:41.33 | burhan | that didn't help |
| 08:41.39 | aidalgol | or not... |
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| 08:43.38 | burhan | any clues? |
| 08:43.52 | aidalgol | burhan: What's in your client-side ~/.ssh ? |
| 08:44.00 | aidalgol | And what are the permissions? |
| 08:44.58 | burhan | aidalgol: http://dpaste.org/VkGB2/ (this is the client) |
| 08:45.29 | aidalgol | Well there's your problem: your private key needs to be in there. |
| 08:45.47 | aidalgol | And, for security, mode 600 |
| 08:46.28 | burhan | the private key on the _client_? |
| 08:46.34 | aidalgol | Yes. |
| 08:46.55 | burhan | I thought private/pub was on the server, and you moved the pub key to the client from where you want to login without password. |
| 08:47.13 | aidalgol | Nope, other way 'round. |
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| 08:47.36 | burhan | oh |
| 08:47.41 | nsadmin | normally when telnet used to be the norm, the client (telnet) would conenct to the server, which would ask for and receive the passwd... |
| 08:48.39 | nsadmin | now, using ssh, the client user would make a new key pair |
| 08:49.07 | cads | Hi, I'm performing a dist-upgrade to wheezy. After the package download process, I'm catching an "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" error |
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| 08:49.44 | nsadmin | this key pair would be created using ssh-keygen and the default place is in the client user's .ssh/id_dsa |
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| 08:49.55 | globalbot | question. |
| 08:50.07 | nsadmin | and, you'd get that file and id_dsa.pub |
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| 08:50.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell cads about immediate configuration |
| 08:51.31 | globalbot | exit |
| 08:51.55 | cads | thanks jelly, I'll see what I can do |
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| 08:58.41 | zawapete | echo `date "+%b-%e %H:%M:%S"` |
| 08:58.49 | zawapete | echo `date "+%b %e %H:%M:%S" |
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| 08:59.14 | zawapete | it doesn't pad when space as delimiter between %b and %e |
| 08:59.24 | zawapete | how can i escape a liter space? |
| 09:00.09 | GNU\colossus | what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 09:00.57 | zawapete | Jun 3 10:58:48 (three two char between Jun and 3, as in Jun- 3 10:58:48) |
| 09:01.12 | zawapete | it woks with every char i put but for space and tab |
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| 09:01.57 | zawapete | with them it's "greedy" and it doesn't print the leading space/tab before padded day of the month |
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| 09:04.29 | billosk | hi, has anyone been able to get good stability out of a wheezy/gnome-shell system? |
| 09:06.56 | fasta | What is the purpose of having both numeric and human readable group representations in /etc/group? |
| 09:07.20 | nsadmin | to associate them |
| 09:07.28 | fasta | nsadmin: but why would you want to do that? |
| 09:08.02 | fasta | nsadmin: it could also just use the human readable version and map it under the hood to some number. |
| 09:08.20 | GNU\colossus | and what would be the benefit of that? |
| 09:08.21 | billosk | fasta, /etc/group is under the hood |
| 09:08.23 | fasta | nsadmin: that's what all other authentication systems in the world do. |
| 09:08.45 | fasta | billosk: I am fairly sure that it's intended to be edited by humans too. |
| 09:09.13 | nsadmin | so that linux can display the group in human readable form, and the user can input the group in human readable form, and you don't have to store the human readable form in the file/dir/whatever for group ownership... turtle needs walkin and I need stuff from store... |
| 09:09.27 | billosk | fasta, that just means you have more choice in how your machine is setup |
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| 09:09.55 | nsadmin | let the programs that were designed to work with /etc/group and friends... |
| 09:09.58 | fasta | billosk: ok, the real 'problem' I have was changing a groups numeric id. |
| 09:10.10 | fasta | billosk: is there some high-level tool for that which also changes all files? |
| 09:10.23 | mjt | on all removable media too? :) |
| 09:10.24 | fasta | billosk: that is, I assume that the files store the numeric representation. |
| 09:10.52 | fasta | (which is the reason for why I believe that having numeric ids is a bad idea) |
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| 09:11.40 | fasta | It's really unneeded flexibility. |
| 09:11.59 | mjt | heh. all filesystem and interface designers in the world disagree... ;) |
| 09:12.07 | mjt | (interface = API) |
| 09:12.10 | fasta | It's like having the perfect knife to slice up food and then add the feature to kill yourself. |
| 09:12.11 | p_quarles | fasta: you actually have not anywhere explained why numeric ids are a bad idea; you have simply asserted it and then repeated the assertion |
| 09:12.13 | billosk | fasta: according to the man page it has to be done manually |
| 09:12.36 | fasta | p_quarles: I said that the first time already. |
| 09:13.02 | fasta | p_quarles: the problem is that the number itself is of no concern to me as a user. |
| 09:13.04 | mjt | "having numeric IDs is bad because if you change the number in one place it wont change in another" |
| 09:13.10 | mjt | that's not an argumment at all |
| 09:13.11 | fasta | p_quarles: yet, the system takes it as input. |
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| 09:13.36 | mjt | and the name is of no concern to the kernel |
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| 09:13.44 | mjt | just don't use numbers and you're all set. |
| 09:13.49 | mjt | and change |
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| 09:13.53 | fasta | mjt: yes, it is. If you would just have human readable ones, there wouldn't be a place to change a number and hence the problem wouldn't exist. |
| 09:14.00 | p_quarles | fasta: bs; you're simply saying that you don't want to understand something, therefore it's irrelevant; you should get outside and breathe some air or something |
| 09:14.13 | fasta | p_quarles: huh? I understand it perfectly. |
| 09:14.13 | mjt | just don't change numbers, and problem don't exist. |
| 09:14.22 | p_quarles | good for you then |
| 09:14.29 | fasta | mjt: but there are uses for changing the numbers. |
| 09:14.33 | mjt | anyway, this is pointless |
| 09:14.37 | mjt | ..discussion |
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| 09:14.52 | fasta | mjt: pointless? I think you just don't understand me. |
| 09:15.10 | mjt | go ask any database user why they use numeric primary keys |
| 09:15.15 | fasta | mjt: please give me one good reason for the existence of a separate numeric representation which is exposed to the administrator. |
| 09:15.28 | mjt | heh |
| 09:15.34 | fasta | mjt: this again shows you have no clue. |
| 09:15.43 | helsat | hello. Debian freezes sometimes. especially when using synaptic . I am in testing |
| 09:15.44 | mjt | n/p |
| 09:16.41 | fasta | mjt: adding numeric fields manually to a database (so called surrogate keys) is considered bad practice. |
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| 09:17.05 | drecute | when a user is created, what group can he be added to in order to make a directory? |
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| 09:17.10 | bardzusny | helsat: you want to look at the logs |
| 09:17.25 | helsat | bardzusny : how can I do it? |
| 09:17.32 | fasta | Why is it always the rather uninformed people that respond in this channel? |
| 09:17.45 | bardzusny | they are in /var/log/ directory, "dmesg" and "syslog" files should be of use to you |
| 09:17.54 | mjt | fasta: don't tell me, i've no clue anyway |
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| 09:18.06 | Trewas | fasta: UIDs are the primary keys in this case |
| 09:18.14 | Trewas | the numeric ones I mean |
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| 09:18.23 | fasta | Trewas: I know, and I think that's a bad idea. |
| 09:18.29 | drecute | when a user is created, what group can he be added to in order to make a directory? |
| 09:18.37 | Milos | Is udev taking over openrc? |
| 09:18.43 | fasta | Trewas: because I, as a user, don't care about numeric ids; I care about human readable things. |
| 09:18.55 | fasta | Trewas: as such, it shouldn't even be apparent to me. |
| 09:19.00 | Milos | oops wrong channel |
| 09:19.37 | mjt | the point fasta can't get is that he's not _supposed_ to use numeric ids, /etc/group etc is the only place when they're stored. the rest of the "human" system interface operates in names. |
| 09:19.45 | drecute | when a user is created, what group can he be added to in order to make a directory? |
| 09:19.45 | helsat | bardzusny : all information of syslog is of yesterday |
| 09:19.58 | mjt | drecute: this is wrong question. |
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| 09:20.07 | xand | drecute: stop repeating yourself. and that doesn't even make sense. |
| 09:20.14 | Trewas | fasta: well yeah, but it would be way too complicated to use non-numeric keys in the filesystem level and converting them in the kernel (so tthey wouldn't be exposed to user space) would be also complicated and could break easily |
| 09:20.16 | mjt | drecute: each place where you want to create anything has its own permissions. |
| 09:20.19 | fasta | mjt: I am migrating users from a different system. So, how should that be done then? |
| 09:20.37 | mjt | stop talking to me, i've no clue. |
| 09:20.57 | fasta | mjt: yes, I have noticed. |
| 09:21.02 | mjt | thank you |
| 09:21.06 | fasta | mjt: you have contributed zero here. |
| 09:21.19 | fasta | Trewas: way too complicated? |
| 09:21.33 | fasta | Trewas: it would only be slower. |
| 09:21.47 | fasta | Trewas: and it likely wouldn't even be noticable. |
| 09:21.50 | p_quarles | fasta: all right; we should eliminate numeric PIDs, too, while we're at it. The fact is, computers work with numbers, and "human readable" often means vague and imprecise; in cases where you have hundreds of something in the same category, it's more sane to use the more basic system of taxonomy |
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| 09:22.13 | fasta | p_quarles: numeric PIDs have a use. |
| 09:22.25 | fasta | p_quarles: I wonder what's wrong with you. |
| 09:22.40 | fasta | Clearly you cannot stick to the subject at hand. |
| 09:22.41 | p_quarles | fasta: what's their use? |
| 09:22.42 | babilen | fasta: Please try not to insult helpers in this channel and be grateful if people are trying to help. |
| 09:22.43 | helsat | bardzusny : maybe I need reinstall debian... |
| 09:22.49 | mjt | if you asked a real question - eg, for help converting from one system to another - that'd be more productive, and many people can help you with that, me included. If you just say "that thing is bad" - well, you're free to design your own system. Maybe after doing so you'll finally understand why numeric IDs is good... |
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| 09:23.24 | cads | oh god, apt-get dist-upgrade is installing things onto a drive with no space left over |
| 09:23.24 | Trewas | fasta: instead of a single 16/32 bit value there would be a variable length string field or some constant length one, which then would sometimes be too short, also the system calls would have to throw strings around instead of numeric Ids |
| 09:23.30 | mjt | now, i'm not continuing this discussion anymore. |
| 09:23.36 | cads | how do I stop this process? |
| 09:23.46 | fasta | Trewas: also, that's not true btw. |
| 09:23.55 | nkuttler | cads: ctrl-c ? |
| 09:24.03 | cads | neither ctrl-c nor ctr-d were workding |
| 09:24.03 | mjt | apt-get ignores Ctrl+C |
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| 09:24.09 | fasta | Trewas: it could also simply not expose /etc/groups and only provide other interfaces. |
| 09:24.12 | babilen | fasta: And I agree with mjt that it is about time to drop this metadiscussion. You have been warned multiple times and I would expect you to change your behaviour eventually. |
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| 09:24.23 | nkuttler | cads: then kill the process |
| 09:24.24 | cads | it stopped |
| 09:24.32 | cads | man that was scary |
| 09:24.43 | cads | I hope it will be okay once I've made some space |
| 09:24.46 | fasta | babilen: do you share a room or something? |
| 09:25.05 | babilen | fasta: What is that supposed to mean? |
| 09:25.09 | cads | I'm going to move the /var/cache/apt directory to another drive, and then link it back |
| 09:25.45 | Trewas | fasta: there could be a user space abstraction layer which every program could use, and there kind of is, but that doesn't cover every use case |
| 09:25.53 | p_quarles | is still hoping to know why numeric PIDs are userful but numeric GIDs are not :| |
| 09:26.08 | babilen | p_quarles: AFAICT there is no reason |
| 09:26.50 | p_quarles | that's my assumption, but science is all about falsifying assumptions :P |
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| 09:27.12 | xand | laughs at the irony of fasta's statement about the people responding in here |
| 09:27.38 | babilen | Lets move on. |
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| 09:29.18 | mjt | are there any downsides of using UDF in non-optical storage, except of real bad situation with tools on linux? |
| 09:29.34 | mjt | like, on a flash drive |
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| 09:30.26 | mjt | (hopefully the kernel udf implementation is a bit better than userpace tools ;) |
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| 09:36.18 | billosk | hi, has anyone been able to get good stability out of a wheezy/gnome-shell system? |
| 09:36.48 | mjt | why do you think gnome-shell has some instability? |
| 09:36.58 | mjt | it works for lots of people |
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| 09:37.58 | mjt | but it explores stuff which previous gnome didnt' touch -- namely, it heavily uses 3d features of your video card, just like compiz does. |
| 09:38.28 | billosk | just the fact that across the 3 machines I have it on now one being a server that gets occasional desktop use I get poor uptime |
| 09:39.06 | billosk | mjt: i think thats the major problem in the instability of the 3d that is bringing the rest of the system down |
| 09:39.08 | mjt | that's not saying much billosk. the question is _why_, and it unlikely is gnome-shell itself. |
| 09:39.15 | mjt | might be |
| 09:39.41 | mjt | anyway, maybe you can describe the problem(s) you're facing in a bit more details? |
| 09:40.21 | billosk | mjt: these same machines have had months/years uptime running squeeze and earlier without a crash and now the crash is a weekly thing |
| 09:40.29 | cads | alright, I've run out of space while doing a dist-upgrade to wheezy. I've cleared enough space to proceed, however my system now seems to be quite broken. |
| 09:40.41 | cads | what should I do? |
| 09:40.57 | mjt | billosk: gnome-shell definitely works. Here I've some 90 days uptime on my desktop machine -- and twp of my family members (we use single machine) uses gnome-shell. I rebooted just because it had enough updates so that most running software has been updated. |
| 09:41.12 | mjt | cads: broken how? |
| 09:41.18 | mjt | cads: try dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:41.48 | cads | lots of dependency problems |
| 09:41.59 | mjt | apt-get install -f |
| 09:42.12 | billosk | mjt: just random lock ups when doing any normal tasks that I can only get out of by sysrq or hard power off. which video card/driver are u using? |
| 09:42.14 | Jaggz- | if at least 60 out of 200 domain packets (port 53) are received from a host.. can I safely assume they're either attacking us, trying to do a reflection [d]dos attack, or that they're really screwed up.. and therefore block them? |
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| 09:42.52 | mjt | billosk: i've different video cards on different machines (intel, radeon, nvidia) - all works fine. |
| 09:43.13 | no_al_nonnismo | hi |
| 09:43.35 | mjt | billosk: i'm not sure asking for success stories at this point helps, really ;) It does not help you to know it works for me :) |
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| 09:44.05 | cads | mjt, dpkg --configure -a fails after 'too many errors', apt-get install -f lists a whole mess of packages that depend on uninstalled packages |
| 09:44.13 | mjt | cads: it installed half of stuff it planned to install, so dependency problems is quite expected. |
| 09:44.21 | cads | then bails out with "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies" |
| 09:44.22 | mjt | cads: aha, so let's start with configure -a |
| 09:44.52 | mjt | cads: you must first complete the install of half-installed pkgs, this is dpkg task. only after that you can use apt-get to install the rest. |
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| 09:45.14 | mjt | cads: please paste output of dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:45.55 | billosk | mjt: well it kind of does help knowing that it isnt this bad for everyone, and I can look into my issues further. I'd already abandoned it on one of the desktops to test out some new options. Only problem with switching is I enjoy GS when its being stable |
| 09:46.06 | cads | mjt, coming right uo |
| 09:46.08 | cads | up* |
| 09:46.42 | cads | mjt: http://pastie.org/4018420 |
| 09:46.55 | cads | I like how it throws in 200 empty lines for good measure :D |
| 09:47.15 | cads | (this is actually terrifying) |
| 09:47.21 | mjt | ow. |
| 09:47.25 | mjt | well, not really. |
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| 09:48.05 | cads | an opportunity to learn about apt/dpkg, methinks :) |
| 09:48.39 | mjt | cads: at least it did something. but this is indeed not exactly a trivial case. |
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| 09:48.57 | mjt | cads: it sat up (ie, completed configuration of) several packages |
| 09:49.40 | mjt | cads: it looks like you can have luck in trying dpkg and apt-get |
| 09:50.02 | cads | I see, there are a few that it did configure |
| 09:50.12 | mjt | cads: try dpkg --configure a few times till it stops doing anything |
| 09:50.22 | mjt | at a start |
| 09:50.34 | mjt | and next lets throw apt-get install -f into the mix |
| 09:50.45 | mjt | and see what it complains about most |
| 09:51.00 | mjt | one of more important packages it configured now is python-minimal |
| 09:51.13 | mjt | lots of stuff depends on python |
| 09:51.32 | cads | ah, yeah, lots of things are failing due to python |
| 09:51.44 | mjt | if apt-get -f wont work, we may try installing python manually |
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| 09:51.56 | cads | http://pastie.org/4018438 |
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| 09:52.21 | mjt | note: apt downloaded all needed packages already (into /var/cache/apt/archives), so you may use just dpkg to install them. |
| 09:53.03 | mjt | apt-get install -f -t wheezy |
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| 09:53.13 | mjt | (assuming that's how you tried to upgrade) |
| 09:53.21 | mjt | did you use -t wheezy? |
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| 09:53.45 | cads | no, I switched my sources.list to wheezy repos, then used apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:54.29 | mjt | interesting. |
| 09:55.11 | mjt | well, at least install python 2.7 from /var/cache/apt/archives, i guess |
| 09:55.15 | cads | let me see if I can dpkg -i the python packages manually from /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 09:55.19 | mjt | yeah |
| 09:56.08 | cads | it would be a interesting thing indeed to see a visualization of my broken dependency tree at this stage :D |
| 09:56.10 | mjt | i havent' seen such a bad situation so far (in 10+ years :), it is definitely solvable but might require some iterations. |
| 09:56.26 | mjt | yeah :) |
| 09:56.34 | mjt | maybe aptitude will help here, too |
| 09:57.07 | mjt | apt-get normally calls dpkg -i with --force-depends, to upgrade lots of packages with inter-dependencies at once |
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| 09:57.56 | cads | neither apt-get -f install nor dpkg --configure -a are doing anything |
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| 09:58.17 | cads | the latter runs into too many errors and bails before it can do any more work |
| 09:58.36 | nsadmin | cads, those are good things |
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| 09:59.04 | mjt | i'll be back in a few mins |
| 09:59.09 | mjt | nsadmin: he's all yours :) |
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| 10:01.29 | nsadmin | mjt, enjoy |
| 10:01.50 | nsadmin | looks like your tree is not broke |
| 10:02.23 | mjt | cads: you may also try dpkg --skip-same-version --refuse-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 10:02.51 | mjt | a few times anyway |
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| 10:03.43 | mjt | this will try installing all downloaded packages which has more recent version than the installed package, or not installed at all. |
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| 10:03.49 | cads | here is the current result of apt-get install -f: http://pastie.org/4018477 ... interesting to not that the python dependency is seen as unmet, even though I installed 2.7: http://pastie.org/4018481 |
| 10:04.02 | cads | s/not/note |
| 10:04.43 | mjt | um. |
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| 10:04.54 | mjt | you installed python-2.7, but you also need python |
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| 10:05.07 | mjt | and pyton-minimal |
| 10:05.24 | mjt | (minimal is installed, but python is not) |
| 10:05.38 | mjt | oh. i missed the 200+ empty lines :) |
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| 10:06.04 | cads | let me open a new terminal.. |
| 10:06.33 | mjt | so you can install all base python packages (python-2.7, python-minimal (appears to be here) and python), and also I suggest installing the libc-related thinsg |
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| 10:06.46 | mjt | like, libstdc++6 |
| 10:07.00 | mjt | that will dramatically reduce dependency hell |
| 10:07.02 | cads | hah, gnome terminal is currently not installed... time to drop down to vt1 :) |
| 10:07.20 | mjt | xterm ? |
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| 10:07.30 | cads | hmm, dependency hell is the right term for where I'm at |
| 10:07.34 | mjt | on vt1 you can't cut/n/paste |
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| 10:07.41 | drecute | I setup autohome(/etc/auto.home) to an nfs filesystem like this: *-fstype=nfs,rw,nosuid,softfsserver:/users/&. when the user logs in he can't make a directory. I'm getting permission denied. how do I ensure the user gets full access to the home dir when he authenticated |
| 10:07.45 | cads | oh, good save |
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| 10:08.53 | mjt | cads: so, python, python-2.7, libstdc++6, ibgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 -- that's the main things holding you right now |
| 10:09.12 | mjt | libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 even |
| 10:10.02 | mjt | drecute: why do you use home on nfs? |
| 10:10.32 | cads | mjt, your dpkg --skip-same-version --refuse-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb suggestion is doing some serious work |
| 10:10.39 | mjt | heh |
| 10:10.49 | drecute | mjt: because i'm using central authentication and I want user files to be stored on the file server not locally |
| 10:11.04 | mjt | drecute: how many machines like that do you have? |
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| 10:11.21 | mjt | drecute: maybe it is easier to mount whole /home ? |
| 10:11.34 | drecute | i have 4 |
| 10:11.43 | drecute | are you saying it is not possible? |
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| 10:11.51 | mjt | it is possible for sure |
| 10:12.02 | cads | mjt, I'll keep you posted on the results, I'll be back in a bit |
| 10:12.13 | drecute | but I need to write custom script right? |
| 10:12.17 | cads | I need a shower - I've been sweating bullets |
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| 10:12.37 | mjt | drecute: but you've several layers acting together, and it isn't really clear at what layer the problem is. |
| 10:12.40 | mjt | cads: thank you! |
| 10:12.41 | mjt | cads: :) |
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| 10:13.04 | mjt | drecute: for a start, it might be the server exporting stuff read-only |
| 10:13.15 | mjt | drecute: it might be automount doing it wrong |
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| 10:13.48 | drecute | mjt: the nfs server is on a solaris and I can test very well that it has got rw access |
| 10:13.50 | mjt | drecute: so i suggest you to mount the remote dir to some other local directory - say, /mnt, manually, and check if the permissions are right |
| 10:14.07 | mjt | and check if the user is able to write to it there |
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| 10:14.28 | drecute | ok |
| 10:14.32 | mjt | automount on linux has its own shitload of issues already |
| 10:15.05 | mjt | don't forget about user IDs which should match |
| 10:15.19 | mjt | or you should use nfs4 |
| 10:15.32 | drecute | mjt: well, i don't have those users locally on the ubuntu client |
| 10:15.36 | drecute | yeah nfs4 |
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| 10:15.46 | mjt | so other services should be running to |
| 10:15.48 | drecute | the users are on ldap server |
| 10:15.48 | mjt | too |
| 10:16.27 | nsadmin | cads, that's because it's working on all the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 10:16.29 | mjt | client view on the dir in question should match the one on the server -- for one, the owner of the files should be shown the same |
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| 10:17.25 | mjt | ...before doing large upgrade i usually clear the apt cache, if not just to free space for lots of new packages... |
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| 10:18.15 | mjt | that dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/* might be dangerous at times, since there may be old packages which are obsolete long ago... |
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| 10:18.26 | drecute | mjt: the parent dir is mounted like this in /etc/auto.nfs: users -fstype=nfs4 fsserver:/users |
| 10:18.45 | mjt | drecute: sure this is the right usage? |
| 10:19.00 | drecute | mjt: does entries in /etc/auto.nfs take a rw argument? |
| 10:19.14 | mjt | you can use rw there for sure |
| 10:19.23 | mjt | that's one of mount option |
| 10:19.26 | mjt | +s |
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| 10:19.47 | drecute | +s? |
| 10:19.50 | mjt | everything in there except -fstype which is handled by automountd internally |
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| 10:20.28 | mjt | but i questioned different part: why do you mount the parent dir too? |
| 10:21.10 | mjt | you should mount EITHER the whole /home (or /users, whatever), OR every individual /home/$user, but not BOTH. |
| 10:21.23 | drecute | ok |
| 10:21.28 | drecute | looking into this |
| 10:21.47 | mjt | and mounting whole /home appears to be more correct in this case |
| 10:22.11 | mjt | at least i'd try to keep it this, simpler, way. |
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| 10:22.47 | drecute | but wait |
| 10:23.43 | drecute | I think automount expects the parent dir to exist initially before a /users/& can work. isn't it? |
| 10:23.54 | mjt | no |
| 10:24.29 | mjt | in regular/usual case, it mounts special filesystem over the parent dir (to watch for access to files in there) |
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| 10:24.51 | mjt | and it will create directories in that special filesystem for the submounts. |
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| 10:25.18 | mjt | it can act as single mountpoint too, but this is less widely used mode. |
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| 10:25.40 | drecute | but you know it is automount |
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| 10:25.56 | drecute | meaning that if the user is not logged in the subdirectory is not created |
| 10:26.08 | mjt | yes |
| 10:26.19 | mjt | it does not exist till someone tries to access it |
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| 10:26.40 | mjt | it gets created on first access, not necessary when your user logs in |
| 10:27.02 | drecute | so its there, but invisible? |
| 10:27.08 | mjt | it is not there |
| 10:27.47 | mjt | the special automount filesystem driver intercepts all accesses to non-existing files/dirs and passes that info to automountd, which tries to find what to mount over there. |
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| 10:29.49 | Porto | hi |
| 10:30.00 | tulimaq | hi, i have a problem with installing wheezy... weekly build fails to install busybox and alpha1 gives error that mirror is not supprting the release |
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| 10:30.04 | Porto | how can i detect my rpm fan of my laptop? |
| 10:30.08 | Porto | anyone can help? |
| 10:30.23 | mjt | tulimaq: known issue, it is apt bug, try the businesscard image |
| 10:30.51 | mjt | tulimaq: at least the busybox issue that is |
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| 10:31.06 | abrotman | tulimaq: use the squeeze installer, dist-upgrade |
| 10:31.07 | tulimaq | mjt, thanks will try that |
| 10:31.07 | nkuttler | tulimaq: or just use the stable installer like everybody else |
| 10:31.27 | mjt | tulimaq: i tried weekly build (businesscard) just yesterday (installing kfreebsd) and it worked just fine |
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| 10:31.53 | mjt | heh |
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| 10:32.10 | mjt | contrading sugestions :) |
| 10:32.15 | mjt | contradicting even |
| 10:33.11 | abrotman | contrading sounds like something politicians do |
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| 10:34.20 | mjt | as for this "busybox issue"... someone please remove the useless cd images .... |
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| 10:35.02 | mjt | as a busybox maintainer I've got a ton of questions about this already. |
| 10:35.30 | mjt | after some point i stopped replying |
| 10:35.51 | abrotman | mjt: talk to -boot ? |
| 10:36.00 | Porto | fan1: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 128) ALARM |
| 10:36.00 | Porto | fan2: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 128) ALARM |
| 10:36.00 | Porto | fan3: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM, div = 128) ALARM |
| 10:36.08 | Porto | :( can't detect the fan |
| 10:36.08 | abrotman | they've stopped! |
| 10:36.10 | Porto | rpm :( |
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| 10:50.53 | caraconan | Good morning. I just installed cups and I can't connect to cups. Keeps trying with telnet localhost 631. Any help? Thanks |
| 10:51.33 | caraconan | Oh, I see that in the logs: Unable to bind socket for address 127.0.0.1:631 - Cannot assign requested address. |
| 10:51.36 | caraconan | I will dig more. |
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| 11:08.47 | oo_miguel | i followed the steps, for lenny->squeeze, and ive been told to run liloconfig and lilo ? i have only ssh access to my server, so do I really need to do that or is there some other way to boot into the new kernel? |
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| 11:09.43 | cwillu_at_work | oo_miguel, the boot loader is responsible for deciding which kernel to boot |
| 11:10.18 | oo_miguel | Is there some way to find out which boot loader is used by now? |
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| 11:12.40 | biggi_mat | oo_miguel, I'm fairly certain you use grub |
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| 11:12.49 | biggi_mat | But you can check what the contents of /boot are |
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| 11:14.11 | oo_miguel | my /boot directory is empty! |
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| 11:14.27 | cwillu_at_work | oo_miguel, perhaps you have a separate /boot mount, and it's not mounted? |
| 11:14.34 | biggi_mat | oo_miguel, check fstab |
| 11:14.35 | oo_miguel | ah sorry |
| 11:14.37 | biggi_mat | Yeah, that |
| 11:16.08 | oo_miguel | there are some config. initrd. Systyem.map vmlinuz.files, and also some .bmp files, a mmao, and a boot.0800 file |
| 11:16.10 | oo_miguel | beside that |
| 11:16.17 | oo_miguel | i have a grub and lost+found dir |
| 11:16.29 | biggi_mat | So you use grub - you don't need liloconf! |
| 11:17.02 | txomon|home | judd, checkbackport cobbler |
| 11:17.03 | judd | No package named 'cobbler' was found in sid/i386. |
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| 11:17.43 | oo_miguel | so i need to tell grub to use my new kernel now by default right? |
| 11:17.55 | oo_miguel | since I will not be able to see a interactive menu on startup |
| 11:19.17 | txomon|home | oo_miguel, if you want to see the grub menu, press shift |
| 11:19.25 | txomon|home | on boot |
| 11:19.29 | oo_miguel | i have only ssh access |
| 11:19.33 | oo_miguel | it is a remote server |
| 11:19.44 | txomon|home | so nothing then ;) |
| 11:19.50 | biggi_mat | oo_miguel, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:19.52 | txomon|home | edit /etc/default |
| 11:20.00 | biggi_mat | Or grub.conf instead of menu.lst for that matter |
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| 11:20.28 | txomon|home | /etc/default/grub |
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| 11:21.11 | biggi_mat | Right |
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| 11:21.32 | oo_miguel | ah, I have no grub.conf and no default/grub :( |
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| 11:21.52 | oo_miguel | ane the menu.lst only mentions my old kernel |
| 11:22.11 | txomon|home | update-grub |
| 11:22.19 | txomon|home | and then there should appear if you installed... |
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| 11:23.33 | oo_miguel | hooray |
| 11:23.35 | oo_miguel | this worked |
| 11:23.44 | oo_miguel | and the default is set correctly too |
| 11:23.50 | txomon|home | :D |
| 11:24.01 | oo_miguel | do i need to do some grub-install now and then restart? |
| 11:24.08 | txomon|home | not in theory |
| 11:24.20 | txomon|home | if it said that it is correctly setup... |
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| 11:25.09 | oo_miguel | so what is the next step? |
| 11:25.32 | oo_miguel | just restart? |
| 11:25.35 | txomon|home | ping biggi_mat , I have not touched a debian but yesterday |
| 11:26.28 | cwillu_at_work | oo_miguel, what happens if it doesn't boot? |
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| 11:27.04 | cwillu_at_work | if it's remotely important that it work, I suggest putting it off until you (or somebody at least) is around to poke the console if necessary |
| 11:27.07 | oo_miguel | no idea, thats the thing that im most afraid off |
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| 11:27.21 | cwillu_at_work | oo_miguel, that's not what I was asking |
| 11:27.33 | cwillu_at_work | I don't mean "will it work", but rather "what's at stake assuming it doesn't"? |
| 11:27.50 | txomon|home | haha, I think he wants to know how a big problem will it be |
| 11:28.11 | cwillu_at_work | one typically shouldn't plan on getting this sort of thing right the first time one tries it |
| 11:28.16 | txomon|home | s/a //g |
| 11:28.33 | cwillu_at_work | txomon|home, that's even worse :p |
| 11:28.33 | oo_miguel | i can get up some kind of recovery-console over ssh than too |
| 11:28.37 | cwillu_at_work | "how big of a problem..." |
| 11:28.45 | cwillu_at_work | oo_miguel, are you asking, or are you telling me? |
| 11:29.04 | oo_miguel | and if it does not work. i can set up a brand new debian image |
| 11:29.09 | oo_miguel | and reinstall EVERYTHING |
| 11:29.15 | cwillu_at_work | i.e., if this is a virtual server, you probably have a terminal console you can log into |
| 11:29.34 | cwillu_at_work | confiscates oo_miguel's shift key |
| 11:29.41 | oo_miguel | sorry |
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| 11:29.51 | oo_miguel | just wanted to emphesize, that it would be a lot of work ;) |
| 11:30.00 | oo_miguel | so i can bring up some recovery-console |
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| 11:30.18 | oo_miguel | and I can also reset everything to a clean debian installation |
| 11:30.22 | oo_miguel | remotely |
| 11:30.33 | txomon|home | well we hope you don't have to (at least I do) |
| 11:30.41 | BenNZ | oo_miguel: have you done the update? did it install grub2 instead of grub? |
| 11:30.42 | oo_miguel | that are the tools given to me |
| 11:31.23 | oo_miguel | just grub and grub-common are installed |
| 11:31.40 | BenNZ | oo_miguel: which version of grub? |
| 11:31.43 | oo_miguel | i have just followed the steps /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze told me |
| 11:32.02 | oo_miguel | GNU GRUB 0.97 |
| 11:32.32 | BenNZ | oo_miguel: ok so grub legacy then , just thought it would be good info to know before you reboot |
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| 11:32.52 | oo_miguel | thanks |
| 11:33.36 | BenNZ | oo_miguel: well most quides about squeeze's bootloader would be about grub2 |
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| 11:35.26 | oo_miguel | i just checked on my other server, and there is no grub or lilo at all and the /boot directory is empty |
| 11:35.44 | oo_miguel | however it runs the 2.6.32 kernel and squeeze |
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| 11:36.05 | oo_miguel | I suppose it might use some sort of network booting |
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| 11:36.07 | obiwahn | hi i have trouble compiling firefox! I get the following error: |
| 11:36.13 | obiwahn | configure: error: Can't find header GL/glx.h for WebGL (install mesa-common-dev |
| 11:36.21 | obiwahn | i have the package installed |
| 11:36.29 | BenNZ | oo_miguel: on the other server is there a seperate /boot or another os with its bootloader in the mbr? |
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| 11:36.55 | abrotman | obiwahn: Debian has Iceweasel .. if oyu're having trouble with Firefox, ask Mozilla |
| 11:37.08 | obiwahn | and up to now it always worked - i am just using the nvidia driver via apt lately instead using nvidia's installer |
| 11:37.23 | obiwahn | i ask about compiling |
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| 11:37.41 | oo_miguel | BenNZ the other server is running in some kind of a virtual machine |
| 11:37.50 | obiwahn | it could be wine or mplayer or i need to be able to compile stuff on my pc |
| 11:37.52 | abrotman | obiwahn: what's wrong with using Iceweasel ? |
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| 11:38.00 | BenNZ | oo_miguel: ok |
| 11:38.03 | zawapete | obiwahn: Can't find header GL/glx.h - i have the package installed |
| 11:38.11 | zawapete | do you have the file also? :1 |
| 11:38.21 | obiwahn | sure |
| 11:38.35 | zawapete | then should be a include path issue |
| 11:38.37 | obiwahn | 20K -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 17K Dec 29 2009 /usr/include/GL/glx.h |
| 11:39.26 | zawapete | try to force that include path in configure |
| 11:39.32 | obiwahn | i wonder a bit because i was able to compile the same version some weeks ago - before i switched to nvidia driver via apt:( |
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| 11:39.57 | abrotman | obiwahn: what's wrong with Iceweasel? |
| 11:39.58 | cwillu_at_work | obiwahn, nvidia's driver mucks with all things gl; it's not apt's fault though |
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| 11:40.15 | zawapete | obiwahn: you need to know which source fail that include |
| 11:40.26 | obiwahn | abrotman: nothing is wrong with iceweasel - what is wrong with compiling stuff yourself? |
| 11:40.49 | abrotman | obiwahn: Firefox is a PITA to compile, nvidia messes with GL stuff .. you're asking for trouble :) |
| 11:41.09 | zawapete | if it worked with non-nvidia driver, something there must have strange includes |
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| 11:41.32 | obiwahn | other way round:P |
| 11:41.59 | obiwahn | it worked with nvidia's installer |
| 11:42.07 | cwillu_at_work | obiwahn, same diff |
| 11:42.09 | obiwahn | and now that i got rid of it it fails me:P |
| 11:42.14 | zawapete | ok, then the contrary :) |
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| 11:42.25 | cwillu_at_work | obiwahn, nvidia's installer mucks with all sorts of things, and doesn't necessarily leave things in a sane state |
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| 11:42.28 | abrotman | it's not the contrary, it's a different installation method |
| 11:42.33 | zawapete | check what's the file that can't find the include |
| 11:42.48 | zawapete | see if there's a wrong include in the source |
| 11:42.59 | babilen | obiwahn: fwiw, you could just install iceweasel. grab it from http://mozilla.debian.net if you want a newer version. (or continue trying to get it to compile) |
| 11:43.01 | abrotman | or look to see where it's looking for that file |
| 11:43.02 | zawapete | if not, check the include path/configure prefix |
| 11:43.09 | obiwahn | it the confirue script i - atm i look vor some switch to make it more verbose:) |
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| 11:44.33 | zawapete | obiwahn: check the file make tried to compile before that error |
| 11:44.57 | zawapete | if it prints the error it prints that info also |
| 11:45.13 | zawapete | usually |
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| 11:49.04 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/172637/ |
| 11:49.54 | abrotman | it's not that glx.h is missing, it's broken |
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| 11:55.03 | dokma | bash complains 'dircolors: command not found' |
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| 11:55.14 | dokma | in ISPConfig made shell that is the same like all the rest of them |
| 11:55.18 | dokma | only this one complains |
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| 11:55.39 | abrotman | dokma: what is $PATH for that user? |
| 11:56.13 | dokma | abrotman: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 11:57.02 | dokma | abrotman: it's a jailshell |
| 11:57.25 | dokma | abrotman: dircolors is not within the jailshell itself |
| 11:57.31 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 11:57.32 | obiwahn | dokma: uhm coreutils hsould be installed:P ?! |
| 11:57.38 | dokma | it is |
| 11:57.52 | dokma | but dircolors itself is not copied into the jailshell |
| 11:58.02 | dokma | so I do not understand where does bash find it in other accounts |
| 11:58.07 | dokma | or if it even looks for it |
| 11:58.18 | obiwahn | type |
| 11:58.20 | dokma | these accounts don't have .bashrc |
| 11:58.23 | obiwahn | should show you |
| 11:58.33 | dokma | type? |
| 11:58.36 | dokma | what is that |
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| 11:58.41 | txomon|home | type command |
| 11:58.42 | obiwahn | a command |
| 11:58.53 | dokma | never heard of that |
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| 11:59.01 | obiwahn | its a bash builtin |
| 11:59.09 | dokma | what does it do? |
| 11:59.19 | obiwahn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.20 | obiwahn | dircolors is /usr/bin/dircolors |
| 11:59.24 | txomon|home | dokma, is somehow like which command but it tells you what type of thing you are calling |
| 11:59.41 | obiwahn | type type |
| 11:59.42 | obiwahn | type is a shell builtin |
| 12:00.23 | dokma | hmmm... I found the difference |
| 12:00.43 | dokma | the account that displays the error does not have dircolors in it's /usr/bin |
| 12:00.49 | dokma | I'll recreate it |
| 12:02.04 | obiwahn | abrotman: right it was the file - strange i did not notice with debsums .... |
| 12:02.13 | obiwahn | thanks! |
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| 12:06.05 | dokma | strange... I recreated the user but the jailkit still lacked a bunch of fundamental binaries |
| 12:06.11 | bartus | hello, have problem with my tablet. When upgrading from xserver-xorg-input-wacom from 0.12 > 0.15 my "touch ring" stop working. "xinput test" show proper output when using touch ring, but system and applications seams to not recognize it. |
| 12:06.16 | dokma | I've copied them now so we will see if it goes ok |
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| 12:09.23 | cads | mjt - that was the most hair-raising experience I've ever had short of accidentally performing rm -rf /lib |
| 12:10.00 | cads | mjt, I just key doing dpkg -i on unmet dependencies |
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| 12:11.55 | cads | mjt, at some point after the dpkg --skip-same-version --refuse-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb operation X11 failed - apt-get stopped working as well - somehow _libstdc++_ had gotten wiped clean! |
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| 12:13.46 | mjt | cads: um, are you saying it removed libstdc++ from the system? |
| 12:14.02 | cads | mjt, after geting apt-get back up, I just kept installing the next broken package with dpkg, running apt-get install -f to tell me what was broken (I'd get these gnarly 'file does not exist' errors) |
| 12:14.06 | cads | mjt, yes! |
| 12:14.09 | cads | it was surreal |
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| 12:15.15 | mjt | maybe you had some older version there in archives and new libstdc conflicts with it? |
| 12:15.38 | cads | mjt, after installing about 50 packages by trial and error, apt-get install -f picked up and finished the rest |
| 12:15.43 | mjt | i shouldn't have been suggseting to do this dpkg -i * without asking what do you actually have in there |
| 12:16.08 | mjt | but the end result should be good anyway :) |
| 12:16.14 | cads | now I'm here in wheezy |
| 12:16.20 | cads | thanks, man! |
| 12:16.59 | mjt | now, once you got somewhere, and if you actually have old cruft in /var/cache/apt/archives, download apt-listrepository and watch for packages from unknown repositories |
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| 12:17.54 | mjt | it is a perl script on someone's site.. (googling...) http://stateful.de/~carsten/bin/apt-listrepository |
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| 12:23.51 | cvr | will squeeze still be supported for a good few more years to come? |
| 12:24.05 | jimcooncat | confused by hardware: in US, need AGP 4x video card, don't know what to get |
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| 12:24.38 | nsadmin | you have an agp video card? |
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| 12:25.07 | jimcooncat | Yes, but it's getting hard to install needed drivers |
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| 12:25.27 | abrotman | jimcooncat: you dno't have many choices .. but if you get an older radeon, you might be able to use the radeon driver |
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| 12:32.29 | jimcooncat | NVIDIA Quadro4 200 NVS Graphics Card ? Should I be asking this is #nvidia or #nouveau? |
| 12:32.45 | abrotman | is that what you ave currently or want to buy? |
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| 12:33.25 | jimcooncat | that's what I'm looking at to buy. I guess. |
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| 12:35.53 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i'd really consider an older ATI card before an nvidia card |
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| 12:36.34 | jimcooncat | thanks abrotman, that's the kind of advice I need |
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| 12:37.03 | nsadmin | I'd say get a card that is supported |
| 12:37.07 | abrotman | jimcooncat: ATI has been cooperative with creating OSS drivers for older cards .. nvidia doesn't give a crap |
| 12:37.33 | nsadmin | not a brand, a card that is well supported now and will continue to be |
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| 12:37.40 | abrotman | so find him one |
| 12:38.35 | nsadmin | that would be debian's job... if they fail, perhaps he should go to slashdot |
| 12:38.43 | abrotman | you're so helpful |
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| 12:39.45 | nsadmin | jimcooncat, someone said something about intel being easier |
| 12:39.59 | abrotman | jimcooncat: In general, AMD/ATI has been more friendly toward Linux as of late. The nouveau project is intended to create OSS drivers for nvidia cards, but they're not helping with that effort |
| 12:40.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: seriously .. just be quiet, you're not helping at all |
| 12:40.15 | nsadmin | not trying to be |
| 12:40.19 | abrotman | you're actually making it worse by talking |
| 12:40.36 | abrotman | you're showing again and again that you haven't a clue |
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| 12:42.15 | nsadmin | and debian is showing again and again that their hardware support is getting worse as time goes on. if you or anyone can show there is a card that will work in debian for at least 10 years, I'll back off |
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| 12:42.36 | jimcooncat | i don't see any intel agp 4x cards for sale just motherboards |
| 12:43.00 | jimcooncat | on |
| 12:43.01 | abrotman | jimcooncat: that's because nsadmin doesn't know what he's talking about, intel hasn't made a discrete video card in probably 10 years |
| 12:43.01 | jimcooncat | oh |
| 12:43.33 | abrotman | last one i remember was the i740 or so .. I may be mistaken, but that is old |
| 12:43.50 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you can't be helpful, just don't say anything at all, not every question requires your comment |
| 12:44.00 | abrotman | nsadmin: take a timeout, enjoy your day! |
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| 12:44.26 | abrotman | and for the record, i have a video card from 1994 that still works in X |
| 12:45.08 | abrotman | jimcooncat: so ATI/AMD has been helping with F/OSS drivers, called 'radeon' in general. If you can find a 4x AGP card from them, give us the model number, see if there is a concensus about how well it works |
| 12:45.42 | jimcooncat | Refurbished ATI Technologies 88P6084 ATI Technologies.Video Card AGP 4x - Mobility Radeon 9600 PRO 128 MB Video Memory DDR SDRAM |
| 12:46.16 | jimcooncat | I can't find anything from my normal suppliers like pcconnection, newegg, etc. |
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| 12:50.33 | abrotman | jimcooncat: that's a pretty old card, but should be supported |
| 12:50.53 | abrotman | jimcooncat: do you actually need super powerful 3d ? |
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| 12:52.07 | Glarbex | Where is a standard/normal place to mount the filesystem for a Windows system under Debian? |
| 12:52.20 | abrotman | Glarbex: is it for all users, or just yourself? |
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| 12:52.28 | Glarbex | I am undecided between a subdirectory of /media, a subdirectory of /mnt or just a subdirectory of /. |
| 12:52.41 | Glarbex | Hmm, interesting conceptual question... |
| 12:52.46 | KriP | Speaking of AMD/ATI graphic drivers .. it would be nice with > 2 channel audio through hdmi on the newer amd's :/ |
| 12:52.49 | Nik05 | /mnt/windows or something? |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i see some 4x AGP on newegg |
| 12:53.13 | abrotman | KriP: isn't that using the fglrx driver? |
| 12:53.18 | Glarbex | Probably just for me. |
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| 12:53.39 | abrotman | Glarbex: so you can mount it in your own $HOME if you want |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | Glarbex: otherwise, under /mnt or /media would be fine |
| 12:54.06 | KriP | abrotman, its not supported for either driver (according to xbmc anyway, they're working hard to introduce HD bitstreamed audio) |
| 12:54.13 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 12:54.58 | KriP | abrotman, it seems AMD/ATI wont/cant release information needed to fix it |
| 12:55.47 | abrotman | KriP: but fglrx is their own driver |
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| 12:56.25 | tremon | Glarbex: a subdirectory of /media is preferred, /mnt is intended to be a direct mountpoint for one-off mounts |
| 12:56.29 | stew | Glarbex: /mnt /media are typically for temporary mounts. |
| 12:56.30 | KriP | abrotman, yes, but neither fglrs or radeon supports more than 2 channels |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 12:57.51 | jimcooncat | only one on newegg compatible with mb has only two dvi connectors :-( |
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| 12:58.29 | abrotman | jimcooncat: ah, you left out that requirement |
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| 12:58.38 | abrotman | jimcooncat: it may come with adapters, check box contents |
| 12:58.48 | tremon | would have killed to find a gfx card with two dvi connectors... |
| 12:58.53 | Bunie | hey guys, im back. im not sure debian is for me, i cant even manage to get it installed :P |
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| 13:00.02 | jimcooncat | ok. Maybe I'll take up my buddy's offer for a whole new box for $175, between this card and a memory upgrade this may be too frustrating. |
| 13:00.07 | jimcooncat | thanks abrotman |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | jimcooncat: well, a card + memory is going to be $75-ish anyway |
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| 13:22.48 | WormFood | what command line tool for debian will generate random passwords for me? |
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| 13:24.22 | abrotman | WormFood: pwgen |
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| 13:27.22 | WormFood | abrotman, what package contains that? |
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| 13:28.22 | tremon | WormFood: pwgen |
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| 13:28.59 | WormFood | yeah tremon, I just found it...probably at the exact same time you said it |
| 13:29.20 | WormFood | thanks guys |
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| 13:39.46 | Borillion | I have a module that I want to build thats offered also as an option in kernelconfig, if you use if from there it forces you to disable rfkill |
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| 13:40.51 | Borillion | do I have to still disable rfkill even though its outside the kernel with these sources? |
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| 13:47.09 | bitHipy | warning on the latest squeeze update: causes kernel failure! |
| 13:47.31 | abrotman | vagueness kills! |
| 13:47.32 | Dillithamir | bitHipy: how so? |
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| 13:48.05 | bitHipy | "[UPGRADE] libgdata-common 0.6.4-2 -> 0.6.4-2+squeeze1" and "[UPGRADE] libgdata7 0.6.4-2 -> 0.6.4-2+squeeze1" |
| 13:48.51 | bitHipy | Dillithamir: i'm just looking into it. I simply upgraded libgdata, and rebooted.. got a popup about a kernel failure |
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| 13:52.47 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 13:53.00 | lenswipe | i have debian squeeze and i cant play two sounds at once |
| 13:53.10 | lenswipe | if i watch youtube and then put a DVD on i have to exit one before the other will work |
| 13:53.19 | lenswipe | anyone know whats up with this? |
| 13:53.48 | Dillithamir | what sound driver are you using, and what browser and player? |
| 13:54.18 | lenswipe | dont know, chrome and movie player |
| 13:54.29 | lenswipe | i dont know what sound driver im using but im happy to fin dout |
| 13:54.31 | lenswipe | find out* |
| 13:54.39 | abrotman | you need a mixer of some sort |
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| 13:54.48 | lenswipe | abrotman, ive got one :) |
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| 13:55.02 | lenswipe | http://www.allen-heath.com/Assets/Images/Products/ZED-22FX/L_Gal_2_ZED_FX_22_Front.jpg |
| 13:55.03 | Dillithamir | Software mixer, not audio mixer :P |
| 13:55.04 | abrotman | which is ? |
| 13:55.07 | lenswipe | it plugs into the computer over USB |
| 13:55.15 | abrotman | lenswipe: wasn't really what i meant |
| 13:55.18 | lenswipe | Dillithamir, i knew what he meant but i felt this was a good time to mention that |
| 13:55.21 | lenswipe | abramart, ^ |
| 13:55.33 | lenswipe | im mentioning it because it might complicate matters |
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| 13:56.03 | lenswipe | but since you ask i think i have alsa mixer installed |
| 13:56.04 | Dillithamir | Nice machine... mine is a mackie 1642 |
| 13:56.17 | lenswipe | Dillithamir, i got it really cheap too :D about £539 |
| 13:56.18 | abrotman | lenswipe: i meant more like dmix or pulse |
| 13:56.34 | lenswipe | abrotman, okay, how do i install them? just apt-get? |
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| 13:56.44 | lenswipe | ive got pulseaudio installed |
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| 13:57.51 | redsoup | do you have pavucontrol also? |
| 13:58.27 | lenswipe | no...? |
| 13:59.00 | lenswipe | redsoup, wait, aparently i do |
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| 13:59.05 | lenswipe | pavucontrol is already the newest version. |
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| 14:01.09 | abrotman | is it actually configured? |
| 14:01.14 | redsoup | lenswipe: ok, well. I would start looking there, just run pavucontrol :) |
| 14:01.47 | Borillion | abrotman Does hso.ko need to have rfkill off if that is the requirement if you where to use menuconfig, I want to build it separate as module. Hope its specific ehough now |
| 14:02.10 | abrotman | Borillion: i have no idea what that is ? |
| 14:02.17 | lenswipe | redsoup, what am i looking for? |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | Borillion: the vagueness comment was about the guy that said the update broke his box |
| 14:02.49 | Borillion | oh lol |
| 14:03.15 | redsoup | lenswipe: try replicating your error and see what happends. |
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| 14:03.41 | lenswipe | ...nothing happens |
| 14:03.49 | lenswipe | i only hear the sounds from mplayer |
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| 14:05.42 | redsoup | lenswipe: ok, well.. I don't think I'm the right guy to help you with this tbh. Just thought you might find something to go on there. |
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| 14:06.03 | lenswipe | redsoup, im not seeing any error |
| 14:06.07 | lenswipe | errors* |
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| 14:06.32 | redsoup | lenswipe: no but does any other soundchannel show up in the list at all? |
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| 14:07.22 | redsoup | lenswipe: and is it the right card set as default output? |
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| 14:08.22 | lenswipe | no just totem |
| 14:08.28 | lenswipe | chrome isnt showing up in the list of outputs |
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| 14:25.52 | dangar4l | I have a problem loading certain images with iceweasel 12 |
| 14:25.53 | dangar4l | the colors are distorted |
| 14:25.53 | dangar4l | example --> http://i.imgur.com/2bb75.png |
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| 14:41.00 | Serious_Sam | Hi there! How can I view image made by dd in Windows? |
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| 14:43.13 | abrotman | Serious_Sam: the image is of windows, or made in windows ? |
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| 14:44.44 | Serious_Sam | I don't know where images was made. Is it possible to use dd under Windows to view content of this file? |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | what is it an image of ? |
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| 14:46.22 | Serious_Sam | It is an image of partition of disk |
| 14:46.46 | abrotman | i have no idea if windows can view that .. maybe ask ##windows |
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| 14:48.17 | Serious_Sam | abrotman: ok, thanks for answers |
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| 14:49.49 | fra | hello |
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| 14:50.00 | fra | ! |
| 14:50.07 | fra | !list |
| 14:50.07 | dpkg | fra: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 15:08.38 | joschi | hi! I have a strange problem with custom APT sources. I've setup a custom repo (using reprepro, served via HTTP), added it to /etc/apt/sources.list, ran `apt-get update` and installed one of the custom packages |
| 15:08.38 | joschi | running `apt-get upgrade` it still tries to install the same package, but according to `dpkg -l $package_name` it's already installed in the respective version. any ideas on why apt-get doesn't recognize the package is already installed? |
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| 15:11.02 | abrotman | what is the status in /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
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| 15:13.35 | joschi | abrotman: "Status: install ok installed" |
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| 15:19.36 | medeman | Hello, I'm installing Debian (6.0.5, AMD64). I only used CD 1. I said yes to the question about using network mirrors. But wow, now it downloads a lot of data (4 hours, slow connection here). Can I reduce this time (and if I can, how much?) by also using CD 2 for installation (it asked me if I want to use another CD)? |
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| 15:20.34 | joschi | abrotman: the Status line in /var/lib/dpkg/status looks good. any other idea? |
| 15:20.38 | sturles | You can by installing fewer packages or dy using the DVD. |
| 15:22.23 | medeman | sturles: So the DVD contains (almost) all packages necessary for installation? I only installed graphical desktop and the default thing |
| 15:23.25 | abrotman | joschi: what happens if you let it isntall again ? |
| 15:23.35 | joschi | abrotman: it installs the package again ;) |
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| 15:23.48 | abrotman | joschi: and again and again? |
| 15:23.56 | joschi | abrotman: yes. |
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| 15:24.52 | sturles | medeman: I don't think the CD contains many typical desktop packages. It contains most of the packages you need for a standard server install. Don't know about CD2. |
| 15:25.53 | medeman | sturles: Ah okay, thank you! |
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| 15:28.37 | raptor67682 | I would like to make the /usr/bin/lp working with a PPD without installing cups, i.e. just restrinting to the minimum. How could I do ? |
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| 15:48.16 | jewel | I used to use a window manager called ion3 in lenny. Does anyone know where I can it get it now? It seems to have been removed. |
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| 15:49.45 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 15:50.00 | wide_awake | how can I run a specified command when a CD is inserted? |
| 15:51.27 | nkuttler | !tell jwayne jewel about ion3 |
| 15:51.42 | nkuttler | !tell jewel about ion3 |
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| 15:54.22 | jewel | nkuttler, thanks, I guess there is no new package yet |
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| 16:01.07 | abrotman | jewel: why are you still using lenny? and why not use something similar? |
| 16:01.19 | abrotman | !tell jewel about ion3 |
| 16:01.37 | abrotman | jewel: oh, misread .. ion3 was removed because the author was being difficult |
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| 16:04.20 | MO_Handes | !remove kde |
| 16:04.20 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 16:05.59 | MO_Handes | is there any way to disable a package? hide it from menus, prevent it from running (until activating it again) and hide all of it's effects? |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | that depends on the pcakage |
| 16:06.41 | MO_Handes | it's kde-full |
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| 16:10.22 | abrotman | MO_Handes: that doesn't really make sene .. you want to disable KDE ? |
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| 16:12.01 | MO_Handes | yes, I want all packages included in kde-full (about 420 packages) be disabled. I don't want to see their effects but when I need them I want to activate them easily, not having to remove now and download all that package again later. |
| 16:12.33 | abrotman | why not uh .. just not use KDE ? |
| 16:12.35 | ompaul | MO_Handes: don't confuse a package with a menu listing |
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| 16:13.24 | MO_Handes | no, I'm not, it's not only the menu listing. by the way. I just autoremoved the whole kde-full :( |
| 16:14.10 | ompaul | MO_Handes: it's still in your /var/cache/apt so you can reinstall it by going for a short walk (depending on your disk space / ram / cpu combo) without having to download again |
| 16:14.51 | MO_Handes | ompaul, will the files be removed after a while or I have to get a backup of that folder to have them? |
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| 16:15.43 | ompaul | MO_Handes: unless you clear out the cache they stay there |
| 16:16.16 | ompaul | MO_Handes: however if you are running sid / testing you will have to get all the patches etc between where you are now and the version where you want to use them again |
| 16:17.07 | ompaul | MO_Handes: you seem to have no specific objective here - unless you want to tell us about it, if it is complex type it up in http://paste.debian.net and maybe someone here can help you achieve your goal |
| 16:17.08 | peterrooney | MO_Handes: /var/cache/apt/archives holds all downloaded debs. apt-get can be set or not set to purge configuration files, so that when you re-install, it becomes as it was before. |
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| 16:17.45 | ompaul | MO_Handes: as peterrooney suggests, the previous .kde in your home directory which contains your configs live on |
| 16:18.11 | MO_Handes | does "purge" also remove cache files? |
| 16:18.21 | ompaul | no |
| 16:18.41 | ompaul | MO_Handes: you really should read the apt detailed information |
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| 16:19.01 | peterrooney | MO_Handes: no. it removes configuration files, namely files you changed with answers to questions during package install. |
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| 16:19.18 | ompaul | MO_Handes: apt-get remove -purge kde-full removes the binaries and global settings not a specific users |
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| 16:19.44 | ompaul | MO_Handes: however cache stays intact |
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| 16:20.02 | peterrooney | MO_Handes: I'm with ompaul here - what are you really trying to do that you're not saying? |
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| 16:20.23 | ompaul | MO_Handes: so would you like to document your use case, because we seem to be going somewhere, but it does not look familiar to me, and I've been using computers since the 70s |
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| 16:20.44 | tintin | i A libffmpegthumbnailer4 - the ffmpegthumbnailer library |
| 16:20.45 | ompaul | linux since the 90s and freebsd for most of the 90s :) |
| 16:20.47 | tintin | i A libffmpegthumbnailer4 - the ffmpegthumbnailer library |
| 16:20.51 | tintin | what is A here? |
| 16:21.33 | ompaul | tintin: what is the command you ran to get that answer? |
| 16:21.52 | tintin | aptitude search ffmpeg |
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| 16:23.29 | MO_Handes | where is the file 50-synaptics located? |
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| 16:24.05 | tremon | MO_Handes: man find |
| 16:24.28 | peterrooney | tintin: it means it was automatically installed. |
| 16:25.01 | tintin | which package should i install to get thumbnailer on nautilus for .avi video files? |
| 16:25.08 | ompaul | tintin: look here: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ and: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html |
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| 16:25.47 | peterrooney | wonders if there's a way to say "that's covered on page two of the man page" without sounding snippy |
| 16:26.15 | ompaul | peterrooney: find the handbook page ;-) |
| 16:26.28 | tremon | wonders what's wrong with snippy |
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| 16:26.45 | MO_Handes | tapping works in my gnome but not in the login screen. how to enable it in login screen? (I think there was a line like `Tapbutton "1" 1` to add in that file?) |
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| 16:27.23 | ompaul | tintin: are you aware that there is a command called >>man<< and there is an argument you can hand it like this: >> man aptitude |
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| 16:33.02 | sharky2 | does anyone here use kde 4.4.5 |
| 16:33.16 | Mortvert | Hi, a quick question. How can i install lilo from installer without reinstalling the entire OS? |
| 16:33.33 | Mortvert | because GRUB refuses to run on anything :v |
| 16:34.05 | cire | Hi, I want to make a movie out of (~100.000) jpg images. I was using ffmpeg/avconv and mencoder, but mencoder just quits (Video stream: -nan kbit/s (-2147483648 B/s) size: 0 bytes 0.000 secs...) and ffmpeg says my argument list is too long (because of expanding *.jpg). How would you do that? |
| 16:34.43 | ompaul | sharky2: not at this moment, I have done, can you be detailed in your question please, I know for a fact the sun was out the day we all went to learn telepathy and nobody went to class. ;-) |
| 16:35.28 | ompaul | Mortvert: grub runs well on the 80 machines desktops and servers I have ... so how about what version are you talking about, what arch etc |
| 16:35.37 | themill | sharky2: assume yes and ask your real question... |
| 16:35.44 | Mortvert | ompaul - well, the thing is that i want it run on thinclient. |
| 16:35.54 | Mortvert | but the /boot partition is on machine while / is on a usb stick |
| 16:36.05 | Mortvert | and the usb stick is beign assigned as fd0 on boot by the machine.. |
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| 16:36.14 | Mortvert | And no idea what to do. |
| 16:36.34 | format_c | cire, I think this is a limit of bash. I'd do something like `find -name '*.jpg' -print0 | xargs -0 ffmpeg <options> |
| 16:36.42 | ompaul | Mortvert: ime you need the stick to have grub on it |
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| 16:36.57 | Mortvert | ompaul - grub doesn't even run from the stick. |
| 16:37.02 | Mortvert | hence why /boot is on machine |
| 16:37.07 | cire | format_c: I mwill try that, thanks |
| 16:37.44 | jhutchins | Mortvert: Is this an EFI machine by any chance? |
| 16:37.50 | Mortvert | EFI? |
| 16:38.06 | sharky2 | themill, it is simple maybe, but could not resolve it, i asked already in #kde but no answer, by default on kde 4.4.5 all tabs on the active bar are visible in all virtual desktops, so how do i configure them to stay local |
| 16:38.10 | Mortvert | no idea what that means so chances are that it isn't. |
| 16:38.11 | jhutchins | Tell us what kind of system you're working with. |
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| 16:38.17 | ompaul | Mortvert: I have grub on sticks - do this get the live cd and cat some-live-debian-coolness.iso > /dev/sdb or whatever letter the stick is BUT do not try to install it to a partition i.e. in this example sdb1 |
| 16:38.21 | Mortvert | netvoyager lx1010 |
| 16:38.22 | sharky2 | themill, in kde 3.5 they are local |
| 16:38.42 | Mortvert | ompaul - the problem is - GRUB freezez when i try to boot it from stick. |
| 16:38.48 | themill | sharky2: "tabs on the active bar"? do you mean the windows along the taskbar on the bottom? |
| 16:39.06 | sharky2 | themill, yes |
| 16:39.24 | ompaul | Mortvert: ahh the netvoyager I know this one --- you need to tftp boot that box with a full image sitting on a server and serve it over pxe |
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| 16:39.40 | themill | sharky2: right click on an empty bit of the task bar → Task manager settings → General → Filters → Only show tasks from the current desktop |
| 16:39.41 | Mortvert | lolno, i ain't doing whole PXE server for this thing. |
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| 16:40.13 | sharky2 | themill, let me check |
| 16:40.34 | jhutchins | Mortvert: What are the boot settings in the BIOS? |
| 16:40.41 | themill | sharky2: you may need to close some applications to get to that dialogue box... sadly. |
| 16:41.00 | Mortvert | jhutchins - USB Floppy disk (the usb stick) and internal HD |
| 16:41.07 | ompaul | jhutchins: the netvoyger is a tiny box which allows only pxe boot it - I used to use it with tftp a few years ago |
| 16:41.31 | jhutchins | Mortvert: ltsp makes pxe pretty plug-and-play. |
| 16:41.32 | ompaul | Mortvert: which model is that? |
| 16:41.41 | Mortvert | ompaul - lx1010 |
| 16:41.43 | ompaul | never came across one with a disk |
| 16:41.53 | Mortvert | 128mb internal one |
| 16:42.05 | ompaul | Mortvert: are you sure that is not the ram |
| 16:42.06 | Mortvert | jhutchins - do i look like i have a machine to spare to set up PXE server? :v |
| 16:42.22 | Mortvert | ompaul - no, because i removed the goddamned thing from inside of the machine few times |
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| 16:42.38 | sharky2 | themill, thanks a lot man, you are the man |
| 16:42.46 | jhutchins | Mortvert: By definition a "thin client" runs off of a server. |
| 16:43.09 | ompaul | Mortvert: you are not going to have a fast box there - 256megs of ram all in |
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| 16:43.20 | jhutchins | Mortvert: Be that as it may... how did you set up the stick? |
| 16:43.21 | Mortvert | ompaul - never needed fast box |
| 16:43.26 | sharky2 | themill, can i copy your answer to kde,because i asked there too and noone answered so i will put you answer |
| 16:43.37 | Mortvert | jhutchins - what do you mean by how? |
| 16:43.41 | Mortvert | ext2 and / as mount point |
| 16:43.44 | Guthur | is fglrx not available for wheezy? |
| 16:43.51 | jhutchins | Mortvert: What source did you use, what steps did you take. |
| 16:44.03 | Guthur | i get no candidate found errors |
| 16:44.14 | Mortvert | Everything like in normal install. |
| 16:44.19 | Mortvert | Netinstall. |
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| 16:44.44 | jelly-home | Guthur: correct, it's unavailable at present time, Wait until the 12-6 beta migrates to wheezy |
| 16:45.19 | Guthur | jelly-home: is there a timeframe on that, broadly speaking |
| 16:45.35 | jelly-home | Guthur: /msg dpkg why is fglrx-driver not in testing |
| 16:45.42 | jhutchins | Mortvert: That's not the right way to prep a bootable stick. |
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| 16:46.04 | Mortvert | jhutchins - because the stick isn't meant to be bootable |
| 16:46.08 | jhutchins | Mortvert: Get a live image and cat it to the stick. If that works, you can refine the system from there. |
| 16:46.09 | Mortvert | it's meant to hold only / |
| 16:46.15 | Mortvert | the entire /boot is on the machine |
| 16:46.23 | Guthur | jelly-home: dpkg's link is a 404 |
| 16:46.28 | jhutchins | Mortvert: Which isn't working, so try something else. |
| 16:47.17 | jhutchins | Mortvert: What did you boot from to begin the install? |
| 16:47.34 | Mortvert | other USB stick |
| 16:48.03 | Mortvert | unetbootin |
| 16:48.17 | jelly-home | Guthur: oh well, probably not updated yet. Takes around 10 days, barring serious bugs or other dependencies missing |
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| 16:50.40 | tremon | Guthur: http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=fglrx-driver still works |
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| 16:51.02 | tremon | in short, there is no catalyst driver yet for xserver 1.12 |
| 16:51.45 | jelly-home | tremon: there's a beta, it's in sid, but still buggy |
| 16:52.12 | jelly-home | http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver/news/20120602T214858Z.html according to the upload |
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| 16:52.56 | jhutchins | Mortvert: Obviously there's something about how the internal disk is formatted or how grub is installed on it - nothing wrong with grub. You know you can boot to USB, and in order to investigate what's up with the internal drive you need a live drive anyway, so as I said, get a live image and look at how that works. |
| 16:53.16 | tremon | ah yes, I forgot about that. Sad part is that driver doesn't support anything older than hd6000 |
| 16:53.26 | jhutchins | Mortvert: You want a live USB image anyway, because that's optimized for flash read/write as opposed to physical drive R/W which is what you built. |
| 16:53.37 | tremon | correction, older than hd5000 |
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| 16:59.27 | bartus | Have a problem with xserver-xorg-input-wacom package. My tablet does not work properly with version 0.15. Try to rollback update to previous working version 0.14, but can't find if. Apparently version 0.15 was accepted as testing an replace 0.14. |
| 16:59.51 | jhutchins | !snapshots |
| 16:59.52 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 16:59.52 | cire | format_c: Your hint was good, but now I have the problöem that output file is not specified with a switch. So invoking "find.... | xargs cmd -i" works, but does not specify an output filename, which should be last argument. (cmd -i [INPUTFILES_HERE] output.avi) |
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| 17:01.38 | jhutchins | I need to go back to a more broken distribution, this channel's way to quiet. |
| 17:01.46 | tremon | cire: find -exec cmd -i INPUTFILES_HERE '{}' \; ? |
| 17:02.18 | tremon | it's really more of a shell question (-> #bash), but since jh thinks it's too quiet here... |
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| 17:04.45 | cire | tremon: INPUTFILES_HERE should be the result of find. I expewct {} to be the replacerment? |
| 17:05.47 | tremon | ah yes, but reading back, you'll still be bound by the maximum command line length. That's ridiculously high on Linux, but maybe not high enough for what you're trying to do |
| 17:06.24 | tremon | in that case, it would be find -exec cmd -i '{}' OUTPUTFILE_HERE \+ |
| 17:06.41 | tremon | but that still won't work if you need a -i for every input file |
| 17:06.50 | cire | tremon: Is it correct, that file -exec executes cmd for every line it finds? This is not what I want... |
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| 17:07.13 | cire | The command shall be invoked onwe time with all the files as arguments |
| 17:07.37 | cire | I trhink xargs is the way to go, but limited to asppending it at the end of the commandline |
| 17:07.40 | tremon | man find should tell you that if you terminate -exec with a ; it will be invoked for every match, if you terminate with + it will be invoked once with all matches expanded |
| 17:08.03 | cire | tremon: sorry, I am just reading find's manpage, but not close enough as it seems |
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| 17:08.28 | tremon | yeah it's not the easiest tool to use, nor the easiest manpage to browse |
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| 17:10.01 | tremon | another option to consider is a scatter/gather approach, you can build intermediate sequences of a few thousand frames and then concatenate them into one large sequence |
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| 17:10.46 | cire | tremon: thought nabout that. Perhaps I will have to do that, since I get too many memory used... |
| 17:11.23 | cire | I did hope that avconv would do memory managing, e.g. processing, writing to file, freeing memory, reading, processing, ... |
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| 17:11.34 | cire | but it seems it just tries to read in everything at once |
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| 17:12.23 | tremon | there is also a #libav channel, btw |
| 17:13.21 | cire | tremon: thanks, I will ask there |
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| 17:17.35 | format_c | cire, find -name '*.jpg' | xargs -I '{}' ffmpeg <option> {} outfile |
| 17:17.55 | abrotman | why not use the -exec with find ? |
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| 17:18.19 | tremon | cool, looks like xargs isn't as dumb as it appears to be :) |
| 17:18.21 | lora_ | hello |
| 17:18.28 | lora_ | i connected a ir device |
| 17:18.34 | lora_ | but i cant find it in dev |
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| 17:19.01 | Guest68198 | lora_: dmesg | tail, tail /var/log/syslog, udevadm monitor, etc |
| 17:19.29 | format_c | abrotman, I think to remember that -exec of find execs cmd for every found file separately. |
| 17:19.35 | format_c | but I might be wrong |
| 17:19.45 | format_c | is reading find's manpage |
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| 17:20.08 | Diopter | format_c: Yes it does. Are you trying to execute a single command for multiple arguments, or parallelize? |
| 17:20.17 | Diopter | xargs is the win for that |
| 17:20.29 | format_c | first one |
| 17:20.38 | abrotman | format_c: ah, yes |
| 17:20.40 | tremon | muses about find -exec + |
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| 17:20.55 | format_c | thatswhy I suggested it to cire |
| 17:21.13 | format_c | is seeking for -exec + |
| 17:21.21 | Diopter | cire, format_c: The main issue with your suggestion is if there are spaces in the .jpg filenames |
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| 17:21.44 | cire | Diopter: thjere are no spaces |
| 17:21.49 | format_c | At first I included -print0 and xargs -0 to fix that |
| 17:21.51 | Diopter | Cool. Easy then. |
| 17:21.51 | lora_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.00 | format_c | but with the second suggestion I became lazy |
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| 17:22.19 | Diopter | format_c: Right. And that's a quite handy alternative to trying to store and modify IFS |
| 17:23.16 | format_c | tremon, I don't find anything about -exec + in the find manpage. Where to find info about that? |
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| 17:24.03 | tremon | format_c: directly below -exec ; |
| 17:24.20 | tremon | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=find , sections ACTIONS, third item |
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| 17:25.01 | format_c | interessting. Not in my local manpage of find |
| 17:25.07 | format_c | Running Squeeze |
| 17:25.10 | Diopter | lora_: Looks like udev isn't applying a rule to create a simpler device path, and thus isn't setting the user/group appropriately |
| 17:25.13 | abrotman | wtf find man page do you have? from 1997? :) |
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| 17:25.23 | Diopter | lora_: Try running irrecord with root privileges |
| 17:25.50 | grobda24 | I need to make a backup image of an entire production system. Is it recommended to dump the filesystem rather than backing up an entire partition image ? |
| 17:25.58 | abrotman | format_c: i'm on squeeze, it has it |
| 17:25.59 | lora_ | im running commands as root |
| 17:26.00 | tremon | format_c: that's odd... because the manpage claims to be from squeeze too. Maybe non-gnu find? |
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| 17:28.10 | Diopter | lora_: Not sure then. |
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| 17:28.28 | tremon | grobda24: depends on your recovery requirements |
| 17:28.54 | grobda24 | tremon: can you give an example ? |
| 17:28.59 | format_c | find -version |
| 17:28.59 | format_c | find (GNU findutils) 4.4.2 |
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| 17:29.42 | grobda24 | Just now looking at Mondo Rescue which could be for me. |
| 17:30.07 | Diopter | grobda24: rsync is an excellent place to start. Adding that into some kind of snapshotting to ensure the system is consistent without having rsync lock things that are active |
| 17:30.31 | Diopter | Unless you're looking for some kind of turnkey drop-in solution |
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| 17:31.21 | tremon | grobda24: if your goal is to be able to do file-based restore, you should do a file-based backup. If you need to do bare-metal recovery like rebuild the system on a different machine, fs image will be faster. If you need to do forensics, you need a raw disk dump |
| 17:31.54 | grobda24 | Diopter: it's not really for general backup of user files. This is for insuring there is a working entire Debian system to return to in case of failure. |
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| 17:33.18 | Diopter | grobda24: I'm aware, you said as much. |
| 17:33.34 | Diopter | grobda24: I have successfully backed up entire Debian systems with rsync, and restored them, dozens of times. |
| 17:34.05 | Diopter | You just have to make sure you capture all relevant information, including possible hard links, xattrs and ACLs. |
| 17:34.15 | grobda24 | Diopter: so I would boot a live CD ... then run rsync to mirror Debian to another harddrove. |
| 17:34.28 | Diopter | grobda24: Correct. In fact I did that to this laptop last night. |
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| 17:35.08 | grobda24 | For restore it's a case of formatting a new harddrive with ext3/4, then writing the MBR and grub2, then boot on the live CD and use rsync to restore all the Debian files from the backup harddrive ? |
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| 17:36.44 | grobda24 | What restoring the more unusual parts of Linux like /dev, /proc, etc ? I guess those are just created again when the Kernerl boots ? |
| 17:37.18 | Diopter | grobda24: Actually, what I do is boot the livecd, format the drives, mount them, mount the backup media, rsync, bind-mount /dev, /proc, /sys, chroot, grub-install, reboot. |
| 17:37.28 | grobda24 | at least rsync sounds saner than using a full harddrive image as I've had problems restoring those to a new harddrive before. |
| 17:37.37 | Diopter | grobda24: /dev, /proc and /sys are all virtual, you don't back them up |
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| 17:38.02 | Diopter | grobda24: I use simple rsync flags that will end up ignoring them. It's handy |
| 17:39.10 | grobda24 | Diopter: could I see your command line ? |
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| 17:40.05 | Diopter | grobda24: -phaxPHAX --del. -p is a little redundant if you're also using -P, but it makes it an easy to remember mnemonic. |
| 17:40.36 | Diopter | grobda24: Er, I mean, -p is redundant if you're using -a |
| 17:40.57 | grobda24 | Diopter: ok, cheers :D .. I'll investigate that. |
| 17:41.11 | grobda24 | Not sure I understand the bind-mount part but guess I'll find out :) |
| 17:41.30 | grobda24 | Thanks to others for help as well. |
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| 17:41.42 | Diopter | grobda24: -h is human-readable progress, -a is archive (which grabs most everything), -x is "one filesystem" and is the most useful part. It means it won't descend into any mounted filesystems under the mounts you say to start at. |
| 17:42.26 | Diopter | grobda24: Meaning if you give "/ /home /boot" as sources, it will skip /dev, /proc, /sys, /tmp, /run under /, etc |
| 17:43.11 | grobda24 | Diopter: sounds good |
| 17:43.19 | azertyu | helllo |
| 17:43.20 | azertyu | can anyone tell me about what is the password for admin using this information from /etc/shadow : admin:$1$Zxj1lT/7$uiFhhQUh40T7UFGpIZo4K.:13367:0:99999:7::: |
| 17:44.34 | Diopter | grobda24: PHAX is just progress+partial, hard links, ACLs and xattrs. --del is required if you keep running new backups to the same backup location |
| 17:44.47 | Diopter | azertyu: ...... lol? |
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| 18:05.51 | peterrooney | what search terms should I look for, given that in a gtk application, the scroll box does not stay where I put it? It seems to jump to a random location after a few seconds, or even in the middle of scrolling. |
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| 18:07.28 | niklaswe | hello, how can i install gnome3 in debian (using stable) ? |
| 18:07.39 | abrotman | niklaswe: you really can't .. |
| 18:08.12 | niklaswe | abrotman: mm okey, isnt it in the repo yet or must i use testing/unstable ? |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | niklaswe: squeeze will never get gnome3 |
| 18:08.44 | abrotman | niklaswe: you can use wheezy if you want gnome3 |
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| 18:09.10 | niklaswe | abrotman: okey, and then it just apt-get install gnome3 ? |
| 18:09.36 | abrotman | besides the whole upgrading to wheezy bit ? |
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| 18:10.20 | niklaswe | abrotman: yeah. |
| 18:10.26 | niklaswe | :P |
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| 18:12.59 | roboman2444 | ARGH |
| 18:13.05 | roboman2444 | synaptics-touchpad! |
| 18:13.08 | roboman2444 | ARRRRGH |
| 18:13.13 | Diopter | orly |
| 18:13.20 | roboman2444 | i have tried everything to get rid of it |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | disabled his in the BIOS |
| 18:13.32 | roboman2444 | even gone to copying evdev over it |
| 18:13.50 | roboman2444 | because my mousepad works much better on evdev |
| 18:13.57 | roboman2444 | and i hate synaptics |
| 18:14.01 | roboman2444 | but i cant disable it |
| 18:14.09 | roboman2444 | even after loads of xorg.conf.d stuff |
| 18:14.11 | engla | uninstall it |
| 18:14.13 | roboman2444 | cant |
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| 18:14.22 | abrotman | disabled it in the BIOS .. no more stupid touchpad |
| 18:14.29 | roboman2444 | no i want my touchpad |
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| 18:14.34 | roboman2444 | on the evdev driver |
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| 18:15.15 | roboman2444 | root@robofox-laptop:/home/roboman2444# apt-get remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 18:15.16 | roboman2444 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:15.16 | roboman2444 | Building dependency tree |
| 18:15.16 | roboman2444 | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:15.16 | roboman2444 | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 18:15.23 | peterrooney | Who was it that first thought touchpads on laptops were a good idea? |
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| 18:15.32 | roboman2444 | oops |
| 18:15.34 | roboman2444 | but yea |
| 18:15.55 | roboman2444 | input-all depends on it |
| 18:16.28 | roboman2444 | ill try removing it anyway |
| 18:16.30 | tremon | so? why do you need input-all? |
| 18:16.38 | roboman2444 | do i? |
| 18:16.56 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.40 | roboman2444 | also my pulse is kinda messed up |
| 18:17.44 | roboman2444 | ill figure that out later |
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| 18:18.44 | MarconM | someone use debian kfree |
| 18:18.58 | roboman2444 | kfree? |
| 18:19.05 | abrotman | !tell MarconM about kfreebsd |
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| 18:19.08 | mgodzilla | hmm?any ideas on how to get my adaptec 2940sa raid card recognized in debian squeeze? |
| 18:19.29 | MarconM | abrotman: is there ports for debian kfree |
| 18:19.55 | MarconM | roboman2444: kfree its debian but with freebsd kernel |
| 18:20.03 | roboman2444 | ah |
| 18:20.06 | MarconM | =) |
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| 18:20.17 | roboman2444 | pros/cons? |
| 18:20.42 | abrotman | MarconM: see wha tthe bot told you, ask them |
| 18:20.57 | MarconM | my question its about grub |
| 18:21.11 | MarconM | i have windows and debian kfree .. but when i install lost the boot for windows |
| 18:21.31 | roboman2444 | seperate partitions, right? |
| 18:21.45 | MarconM | yes |
| 18:21.47 | roboman2444 | (just checking) |
| 18:21.52 | MarconM | of course =) |
| 18:21.54 | roboman2444 | you could try manually adding it |
| 18:21.58 | MarconM | uhnm |
| 18:22.00 | roboman2444 | to grub |
| 18:22.07 | MarconM | yes |
| 18:22.15 | MarconM | i am looking for it |
| 18:22.42 | tremon | alternatively, install os-prober |
| 18:22.50 | MarconM | hunm |
| 18:22.51 | MarconM | ok |
| 18:22.55 | MarconM | i ll try now |
| 18:22.58 | MarconM | bb |
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| 18:23.31 | roboman2444 | yea, that should be able to find it |
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| 18:25.36 | mariok | hi folks |
| 18:26.04 | mariok | I have a huge problem. After a "aptitude upgrade" of a wheezy installation the X does not detect my very old ATI graphic card anymore. |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | very old? |
| 18:26.56 | tremon | mariok: define "very old", and do you still have the video-radeon driver installed? |
| 18:26.57 | abrotman | mariok: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 18:27.04 | mariok | /var/log/aptitude says |
| 18:27.06 | mariok | [UPGRADE] xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.14.3-2 -> 1:6.14.4-4 |
| 18:27.24 | abrotman | mariok: what's the changelog ? |
| 18:27.27 | mariok | abrotman: yes I have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:27.35 | abrotman | mariok: tried moving it aside ? |
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| 18:28.03 | mariok | first I tried it without the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:28.13 | nkuttler | mariok: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:28.18 | mariok | I created it to force the Xorg to load the ati driver |
| 18:28.37 | tremon | mariok: in that case, do you still have video-ati installed? |
| 18:28.43 | mariok | tremon: It's a Pentium 3, 900 Mhz |
| 18:28.47 | tremon | ah, nm |
| 18:28.56 | mariok | It should be a AGP graphic card |
| 18:29.25 | tremon | is video-radeon the same version as video-ati? |
| 18:29.58 | abrotman | tremon: shuld be? |
| 18:30.07 | mariok | aptitude search video-radeon |
| 18:30.08 | mariok | i A xserver-xorg-video-radeon - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display d |
| 18:30.39 | tremon | abrotman: not sure if -ati always depends on same version, or only on the package |
| 18:30.45 | mariok | aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-radeon | grep Version |
| 18:30.45 | mariok | Version: 1:6.14.4-4 |
| 18:30.52 | mariok | aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-ati | grep Version |
| 18:30.52 | mariok | Version: 1:6.14.4-4 |
| 18:31.04 | abrotman | they're both wrappers |
| 18:31.09 | tremon | ok, still waiting on your xorg.log though |
| 18:31.21 | tremon | I thought radeon is the driver, ati is the wrapper |
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| 18:32.30 | abrotman | oh, i suppose .. |
| 18:32.45 | abrotman | but This package provides the 'ati' driver for the AMD/ATI Mach64, Rage128, Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream series. This driver is actually a wrapper that loads one of the 'mach64', 'r128' or 'radeon' sub-drivers depending on the hardware. These sub-drivers are brought through package dependencies. |
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| 18:33.44 | tremon | well, given the age of a p3 it's possible that the card is pre-radeon :) |
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| 18:34.20 | mariok | I'll provide the /var/log/Xorg.0.log but I need a bit of time to copy the content to pastebin |
| 18:34.48 | abrotman | mariok: have you tried moving the xorg.conf aside yet? |
| 18:34.53 | tremon | we prefer anything but pastebin btw |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | pastebin is lovely! |
| 18:35.25 | craigevil | mariok, just use pastebinit |
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| 18:37.46 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/90rFqwev |
| 18:38.33 | tremon | abrotman wins, it's pre-radeon :) |
| 18:39.27 | jagginess | mariok, if you're using an xorg.conf file, it needs to be sane..(you can make a sample using "X -configure" -- a warning will issue, but a file made in /root, -- stop the X server before trying to make a sample) (also you probably already know, X can start without an xorg.conf file) |
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| 18:39.58 | mariok | jagginess: I tried to start without an xorg.conf with no success |
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| 18:40.10 | mariok | X -configure failes to detect a graphic device |
| 18:40.18 | tremon | mariok: is this xorg.log without xorg.conf? |
| 18:40.31 | jagginess | mariok, but did it make a file in /root/xorg.sample.new ? |
| 18:40.33 | mariok | tremon: yes |
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| 18:41.58 | mariok | jagginess: no |
| 18:42.04 | tremon | As it appears to me, the ati wrapper driver chooses r128 as the driver, but r128 then fails to recognize the card |
| 18:42.40 | jagginess | mariok, maybe yuo should get rid of the video= on the bootline |
| 18:42.47 | mariok | lspci |
| 18:42.50 | mariok | [...] |
| 18:42.52 | mariok | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) |
| 18:43.23 | mariok | tremon: I tried the r128 driver. |
| 18:43.28 | tremon | mariok: are you sure this is without xorg.conf? |
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| 18:43.46 | mariok | tremon: okay I renamed the xorg.conf and reboot the host. |
| 18:44.31 | robin_sz | so, in Windows, I press print, and it has managed ot remember what my printer looked like when I configured it .. .in Linux i always get "fetching settings from printer" ... for about 10 seconds. is there some magic setting to ask CUps to try and remember stuff? |
| 18:46.57 | Guthur | robin_sz: #cups might be a better place, or a relevant mailing list |
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| 18:48.44 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/5w4MXrcJ |
| 18:48.58 | mariok | ^^^ this is the /var/log/Xorg.0.log without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 18:50.43 | jagginess | mariok, "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory" |
| 18:50.44 | tremon | it's not even trying to load the ati driver |
| 18:51.07 | mariok | tremon: this is why I created the xorg.conf file |
| 18:51.22 | tremon | mariok: yes, but the r128 driver is not for your card |
| 18:51.31 | tremon | try again with ati or radeon |
| 18:51.44 | mariok | tremon: I'll doo it. |
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| 18:53.16 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/fsdP5f4S |
| 18:53.20 | mariok | ^^ my xorg.conf |
| 18:53.39 | bartus | Is there a way to hard link HDD to /dev/sd_ block file ? |
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| 18:54.33 | tremon | bartus: it's not clear what you are asking, but the answer is either "no" or "you don't want that" |
| 18:54.56 | ryx | hello, is there some way to play a 60fps-video without it being choppy (xv) or having tearing (gl)? |
| 18:55.04 | jagginess | bartus, it's actually called a udev rule (some where in /etc/udev.d ) |
| 18:55.05 | Blue1 | bartus: mount |
| 18:55.05 | ryx | I'm using mplayer2 and nouveau1a on testing |
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| 18:55.39 | tremon | ryx: tried other players? |
| 18:55.41 | jagginess | bartus, it's better to use UUID= if you have to (if you're using fstab) |
| 18:55.51 | tremon | mplayer2 is very bad with some codecs |
| 18:56.29 | jagginess | mariok, i'm betting if X -configure can never make a sample then a proper xorg.conf can never work (your xorg.conf is incorrect) |
| 18:56.34 | Blue1 | what is shot at 60 fps? just curious |
| 18:56.55 | bartus | My fstab base on UUID, never the less my second hdd appear in the system under non static link in /dev/ folder. |
| 18:57.10 | peterrooney | Blue1: mechanima? |
| 18:57.19 | bartus | 'non static' means sometimes its sdb other sdf ... etc |
| 18:57.34 | Blue1 | peterrooney: sorry I asked. no idea what that is. |
| 18:57.42 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/bT99ZxU8 |
| 18:57.51 | mariok | ^^^ /var/log/Xorg.0.log with ati driver |
| 18:57.57 | jagginess | bartus, you can also use UUID for ntfs |
| 18:58.04 | ryx | tremon: I'm rather surprised, vlc looks better |
| 18:58.20 | ryx | it's not perfect, but almost, I can live with that |
| 18:58.32 | peterrooney | Blue1: video game demonstrations and setups - see "Quake done quick" and Quake done quicker" |
| 18:58.46 | Blue1 | bartus: this may/maynot help: http://pkill-9.com/removable-usb-devices-and-fstab-settings/ |
| 18:59.18 | Blue1 | peterrooney: okay - I don't play games so that may be why I didn't know. |
| 18:59.40 | mariok | where can I download a older version of my graphic card driver to downgrade it? |
| 18:59.55 | ryx | Blue1: some tv material has 60fps. Sadly very few things use it, it looks a lot better |
| 18:59.57 | tremon | !snapshots |
| 18:59.58 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 19:00.15 | babilen | bartus: That is normal -- Hence the need to refer to filesystems by UUID or LABEL |
| 19:00.17 | mariok | I need a older verion of xserver-xorg-video-ati. Older then 6.14.4-4 |
| 19:00.34 | jackweb | I use Debian testing/wheezy and GNOME is not very stable. It freezes too often. I am not sure actually if it is caused by GNOME or X11. Have you experienced such a problem using latest software in Debian's/testing repository? How to get information what is wrong with my software? |
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| 19:00.41 | Blue1 | marok backport maybe |
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| 19:00.49 | tremon | mariok: try to change "ati" to "radeon", if that works that means xserver can't find its own drivers (which I suspect). You can report a bug for that |
| 19:01.08 | jackweb | GNOME has no logs, I think. I can look at X11 logs. |
| 19:01.10 | abrotman | !tell mariok about sdn |
| 19:01.36 | bartus | I will try to work with udev rules, thanks to all ! |
| 19:01.58 | Blue1 | bartus this will tell you what driver you are using: grep -i glx /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:02.24 | jagginess | mariok, probably you should go with another kernel (when i used a pentium3 long ago with a recent debian, i had to make a custom compile to get X to work) |
| 19:02.53 | jackweb | When GNOME freezes, it is possible to switch to terminal (tty1 - CTRL + ALT + F1) and stop gdm3 |
| 19:03.05 | Blue1 | jackweb: sure |
| 19:03.16 | jackweb | but GNOME freezing happens to often |
| 19:03.25 | Blue1 | jackweb: sudo service gdm3 stop (or restart) |
| 19:03.41 | jackweb | Blue1: I haven't asked ;) |
| 19:03.51 | jackweb | but... I am using /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop |
| 19:03.58 | jackweb | is it a difference? |
| 19:03.59 | tremon | jackweb: just can try ~/.xsession-errors, but freezes usually don't result in meaningful logs |
| 19:04.13 | jagginess | jackweb, you can try basic X and an xterm, then try to run just basic X apps (like xeyes, xclock) |
| 19:04.15 | Blue1 | jackweb: more then one right answser in linux - either works |
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| 19:05.08 | mariok | http://pastebin.com/YJz9Qbv4 |
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| 19:05.11 | jackweb | jagginess: yes, but I'd rather use GNOME. |
| 19:05.15 | mariok | ^^^^ this is with radeon driver |
| 19:05.27 | jackweb | is looking at ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 19:05.43 | jagginess | jackweb, you said you dont know if X is the problem.. if xeyes xclock freezes then gnome is likely not the problem |
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| 19:06.23 | jackweb | jagginess: ah, right |
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| 19:06.50 | tremon | mariok: great. Ask in #radeon what driver you should be using, and they may have some more pointers. Then report a bug |
| 19:06.54 | tabrez | Hi |
| 19:07.36 | jackweb | may it cause GNOME freezing? failed to open VDPAU backen libvdpau_nvidia.so? |
| 19:07.44 | jackweb | backend |
| 19:09.26 | tabrez | Hi |
| 19:09.50 | tabrez | Hi |
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| 19:10.51 | jagginess | jackweb, if X or GNOME freezes, you can ssh into the box and try to stop X/gdm, then the keyboard should be available |
| 19:11.10 | jagginess | (as for vdpau, i believe there may be a log entry for that in X's log) |
| 19:12.18 | tabrez | jagginess: |
| 19:12.34 | jackweb | jagginess: the only thing I Can do is just switch to CTRL + ALT + F1 when GNOME freezes |
| 19:12.42 | jackweb | switching* |
| 19:13.49 | engla | it's likely graphics driver issues. Which driver are you using? |
| 19:14.00 | jackweb | nothing apart from it doesn't work - I can move mouse cursor |
| 19:14.25 | jackweb | engla: are you asking me? |
| 19:14.28 | engla | yes |
| 19:15.36 | tremon | jackweb: if you can move the mouse cursor, the problem is not with X |
| 19:16.13 | jackweb | tremon: thanks |
| 19:16.22 | engla | tremon: it might be, see for example https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50455 |
| 19:16.31 | jackweb | engla: I am checking my drivers |
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| 19:17.25 | tremon | ugh, hardware mouse cursor |
| 19:17.54 | mariok | thanks for giving me the hint to snapshot.debian.org |
| 19:18.03 | mariok | I downloaded to old deb file and installed it again. |
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| 19:18.07 | mariok | Let's see if it works |
| 19:18.30 | jagginess | wonders if this place should be called #X |
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| 19:20.11 | tabrez | I have many cydia apps on my iPhone installed how can I save them if I have to install them afterwards |
| 19:20.12 | jackweb | engla: I don't know what drivers I am uisng |
| 19:20.14 | jackweb | how to check it? |
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| 19:22.46 | engla | hm, I don't know the best way to check that. Maybe the OpenGL renderer string entry in glxinfo |
| 19:23.34 | jackweb | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 |
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| 19:26.10 | engla | I know newer intel graphics have some lockup bugs related to their powersaving options that can be turned off |
| 19:26.22 | engla | like rc6 etc. but that's probably not relevant |
| 19:26.37 | Diopter | i915_enable_rc6, i915_enable_fbc, lvds_downclock, mainly |
| 19:26.42 | tremon | as in the bug referenced earlier by engla, you can try setting i915.i915_enable_fbc=0 on the kernel command line |
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| 19:29.19 | tabrez | Does anybody know how to save debian files on iPhone ? |
| 19:29.35 | Diopter | tabrez: What do you mean exactly? |
| 19:31.59 | tabrez | I mean is I have many files on my iPhone that I have downloaded from my iPhone .... So these cydia files r already installed but how can I save those files so that even after uninstalling I don't have to worry about downloading it again |
| 19:32.15 | jackweb | tremon: is it in GRUB, isn't it? |
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| 19:32.45 | tremon | jackweb: yes, either set it in /etc/default/grub or press E in the grub menu and add it manually |
| 19:34.06 | jackweb | tremon: ok, I'm rebooting the netbook; thanks |
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| 19:35.38 | tabrez | Diopter: tabrez: I mean is I have many files on my iPhone that I have downloaded from my iPhone .... So these cydia files r already installed but how can I save those files so that even after uninstalling I don't have to worry about downloading it again |
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| 19:43.51 | chalcedony | how would i ftp to a web host? i have sftp |
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| 19:45.25 | jagginess | chalcedony, sftp is not secureftp.. it's a subsystem of ssh, (filezilla can do ssh/sftp) |
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| 19:45.59 | chalcedony | jagginess, hmm i see |
| 19:46.24 | jagginess | chalcedony, i dont think so my friend.. alot of people get this wrong, sounds like you need some help.. |
| 19:46.26 | chalcedony | jagginess, i was hoping for a command line thing? |
| 19:46.41 | chalcedony | and yes help :) |
| 19:47.36 | jagginess | chalcedony, y.. sftp is a command-line driven client.. (it's essential an ssh program that sub-calls sftp within ssh) |
| 19:47.36 | tremon | technically, sftp /is/ secureftp, in the same sense that ssh is secureshell. But likewise, sftp and ssh are incompatible with normal ftp and remote shell respectively |
| 19:47.56 | jagginess | tremon, not really.. |
| 19:48.06 | chalcedony | is happy to learn |
| 19:48.10 | tremon | chalcedony: there are many command-line ftp clients. If you want to script it, look at wput |
| 19:48.23 | tremon | wants to be enlightened too |
| 19:48.24 | jagginess | chalcedony, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sftp (you can forget everthing else.. dont worry about other meanings for now) |
| 19:48.30 | chalcedony | <- not knowledgeable |
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| 19:48.47 | jagginess | forget about this meaning .. "FTP over SSH, the practice of tunneling an FTP session over SSH, sometimes called Secure FTP" |
| 19:48.55 | jagginess | (you're never going to use that anyways) |
| 19:49.26 | jagginess | dpkg -L ssh (would show the sftp binary, installed on behalf of the ssh server) |
| 19:49.27 | dpkg | ii ssh (would show the sftp binary, installed on behalf of the ssh server) 2.5-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:49.34 | chalcedony | ok what i want to do is look over a place we have to put a webpage, i would do with ls - but it won't take ssh |
| 19:49.51 | tremon | wonders which is more complicated: simple ftp or trivial ftp |
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| 19:50.12 | mjt | sftp is secure ftp not simple ftp |
| 19:50.23 | mjt | trivial ftp works over udp |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | partially ... |
| 19:51.03 | jagginess | man.. i thought i was over trying to overcome this confusion for new comers.. |
| 19:51.13 | tremon | so... simple is more complicated than trivial? :) |
| 19:51.14 | lasers` | Erm. Hi. My dad got iPod Nano and I'm curoius how do I throw podcasts on it? |
| 19:51.22 | lasers` | curious.* |
| 19:51.27 | tremon | that makes sense... |
| 19:51.34 | abrotman | lasers`: in what? |
| 19:51.35 | jagginess | tremon, tftp is used for servers hosting boot images over the network.. |
| 19:51.57 | abrotman | mjt: oh, sorry, misread, yoiu're right |
| 19:51.57 | tremon | I know tftp, use it regularly. Just never heard of simple ftp before |
| 19:52.02 | jagginess | tremon, ftp isn't used for that purpose that tftp serves |
| 19:52.05 | lasers` | abrotman: Podcasts from NPR --> iPod Nano. |
| 19:52.56 | abrotman | lasers`: uhm .. gnome? kde? sometihng lesE? |
| 19:53.16 | lasers` | abrotman: Ah. Debian Squeeze. Gnome2. Sorry. I never used podcast nor do I own a iPhone before. |
| 19:54.00 | abrotman | lasers`: I thought Rhythmbox did that |
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| 19:54.58 | lasers` | abrotman: I have no idea. I'm trying miro right now. I'll do rhythmbox next. |
| 19:55.04 | lasers` | (Thanks for the suggestion) |
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| 19:55.56 | mariok | thanks for helping. good bye |
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| 20:00.16 | mjt | tremon: once again: "s" in "sftp" stands for "secure", not "simple" |
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| 20:02.41 | tremon | mjt: I was responding to the posted wiki link, which says (a.o.) "sftp may refer to [..] simple file transfer protocol". And if you'd read back five comments before that link, you'd find that we actually agree |
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| 20:03.03 | mjt | oh ok |
| 20:03.29 | tremon | :) |
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| 20:23.13 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 20:34.07 | ePax | Where can i found loaded usb modules? |
| 20:34.33 | tremon | lsmod? |
| 20:34.42 | ePax | i mean usbserial |
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| 20:36.24 | tremon | I don't understand what you're asking for |
| 20:36.50 | Devastator | ePax lsmod | grep usbserial |
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| 20:44.26 | ePax | Im trying to load usbserial with modprobe usbserial vendor=0x******* product=0x******* its a broadband dongle (or whatever its called) connected yo usb... it supposed to send sms from nagios to my phone... |
| 20:44.50 | ePax | So... The question is... Where can i see if module is loaded if i modprobe it? |
| 20:45.14 | mjt | on your screen where you modprobed it? |
| 20:45.28 | mjt | modprobe either loads it or complains |
| 20:45.40 | mjt | (provided it is not already loaded) |
| 20:46.21 | ePax | It did not complain :) i see now that is loaded modprobe -r usbserial |
| 20:46.21 | ePax | FATAL: Module usbserial is in use. |
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| 20:50.20 | Somelauw | I' m running stable, but a package called ranger is only available in testing or more dangerous. Is there a way to install this single package? |
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| 20:51.01 | khem_ | at what point does rc.local get executed in Debian? |
| 20:51.18 | mjt | khem_: ls /etc/rc?.d/*rc.local |
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| 20:52.15 | tremon | !tell Somelauw about ssb |
| 20:52.37 | mjt | more dangerous? well said ;) |
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| 20:54.47 | Somelauw | tremon: I am probably to green to understand what dpkg said. Is there a single command to install a single 'dangerous' package? |
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| 20:55.38 | tremon | well, the "single" command would be to download the .deb you want, and use dpkg -i |
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| 20:56.12 | tremon | but that's neither recommended nor supported, and there is a 99% chance that the package has dependencies that can't be satisfied |
| 20:56.46 | Devastator | ePax have you ran "lsmod | grep usbserial" like I told you? |
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| 20:57.10 | tremon | the recommended way is to rebuild the package for stable, which is what the dpkg factoid was trying to explain (and yes, it is terse) |
| 20:57.56 | philluminati | Guys. My box is acting up, or unusual |
| 20:58.05 | tremon | ,checkbackport ranger |
| 20:58.05 | roboman2444 | anyone know how to fix this segfault? |
| 20:58.06 | judd | Backporting package ranger in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 20:58.07 | roboman2444 | ALSA lib ../../src/conf.c:3314:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so |
| 20:58.07 | roboman2444 | ALSA lib ../../../src/control/control.c:951:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0 |
| 20:58.07 | roboman2444 | AL lib: alsa.c:1000: control open (0): No such file or directory |
| 20:58.17 | roboman2444 | its in the humblebundle psychonauts |
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| 20:58.41 | mjt | .ignore roboman2444 |
| 20:58.48 | philluminati | Specifically, aptitude upgrade is saying "Resolving conflicts" and says "open: 100000 closed: 100000 defer: 20 conflicts: 23 |
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| 20:58.58 | roboman2444 | mjt, its small enough to paste |
| 20:59.01 | roboman2444 | only 3 lines |
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| 20:59.23 | philluminati | I just restarted it but it had been running for 10 minutes before without ending, the number just escalating upwards and it was slowly consuming RAM until it got to 3GB of virtual mem and I killed it |
| 20:59.40 | philluminati | Is this something I should just allow to finish, or a sign that it's broken? |
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| 21:00.04 | mjt | philluminati: try apt-get maybe? |
| 21:00.11 | tremon | roboman2444: the 3 lines you pasted do not contain a segfault |
| 21:00.18 | roboman2444 | it ends in a segfault |
| 21:00.31 | roboman2444 | Segmentation fault |
| 21:00.33 | roboman2444 | there |
| 21:01.05 | roboman2444 | and alsamixer only shows one thing... says driver is pulseaudio |
| 21:01.15 | tremon | roboman2444: segfaults shouldn't happen. Try running it under gdb, get a backtrace and report a bug |
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| 21:01.33 | roboman2444 | i have gotten it in other programs |
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| 21:02.01 | tremon | with the same backtrace? |
| 21:02.01 | philluminati | mjt: actually that worked instantly.. so now I'm updating my system. hopefully after a new kernel, reboot and some other stuff, it'll start behaving again. |
| 21:02.06 | philluminati | mjt: thank you |
| 21:02.17 | roboman2444 | tremon, with close to it |
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| 21:02.27 | roboman2444 | all having to do with alsa/pulse being derp |
| 21:02.55 | mjt | philluminati: they're sometimes difficult: either one or another start behaving strangely, depending on the work you throw at them... ;) |
| 21:03.07 | tremon | roboman2444: alsa is not my favourite piece of software, can't help you further. But a segfault is always reportable |
| 21:03.22 | roboman2444 | yes,i will report it |
| 21:03.28 | roboman2444 | but i just want to fix this problem |
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| 21:03.41 | roboman2444 | i messed up alsa and pulse a while ago and they have never stopped acting strangely |
| 21:03.56 | roboman2444 | for some things the sound is like 1 second lag |
| 21:04.08 | roboman2444 | for others, one program mutes another |
| 21:04.15 | philluminati | mjt: I'll bare that in mind then, should it act like that again, or if apt-get does. Thank you |
| 21:04.33 | hdb2 | hey all, need opinions: I've got a server to build…it's got two data 250 gb drives. I've heard (anecdotal evidence) that sata raid isn't very good and to steer clear if possible. so, how would you partition this server for debian? |
| 21:04.56 | hdb2 | s/b "it's got two SATA 250 gb drives" fucking autocorrect |
| 21:05.07 | tremon | roboman2444: my only recommendation would be to remove all pulseaudio packages (which is imposiible if you're using gnome), and move /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asounrc out of the way |
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| 21:05.55 | Somelauw | So, I could either do it the safe but terse way or the easy and dangerous way: switching to testing |
| 21:06.01 | roboman2444 | there is no asound.conf anywhere, and there is an odd thing if i remove pulse |
| 21:06.32 | mjt | hdb2: the partitioning thing entirely depends on the target usage, not on available devices. |
| 21:06.43 | tremon | hdb2: raid is very good, if you have a $500 real raid controller. Otherwise, md is better than any "fake" raid controller |
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| 21:07.13 | roboman2444 | [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_direct.c:1616:(snd1_pcm_direct_parse_open_conf) The field ipc_gid must be a valid group (create group audio) |
| 21:07.16 | roboman2444 | i get stuff like that |
| 21:07.17 | mjt | (i'd rather be away from any raid controllers if possible) |
| 21:07.28 | roboman2444 | mplayer wont play anything |
| 21:07.29 | roboman2444 | etc |
| 21:07.33 | hdb2 | mjt: I was afraid you would say that. :) it's going to be a file server, but for very small usage. |
| 21:07.36 | tremon | Somelauw: you can always ask for elaboration on the terse way, people will be happy to provide you with more info. It's not that hard, though |
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| 21:08.55 | Somelauw | Is it stupid to use testing? |
| 21:09.09 | tremon | Somelauw: in overview, you need to download the source package from sid (apt-get source), set up a build environment (apt-get build-dep), and let dpkg build a new package (apt-get -b) |
| 21:09.39 | tremon | Somelauw: I wouldn't recommend testing unless you're very familiar with debian already. Breakages are rare, but they do happen |
| 21:09.58 | mjt | fsvo "rare" :) |
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| 21:10.11 | Somelauw | tremon: Can I automate that in a script? |
| 21:10.16 | tremon | happily runs testing on his desktop |
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| 21:11.00 | tremon | Somelauw: you could, but manual labour builds understanding :) |
| 21:11.11 | Somelauw | Well, if it breaks, I can join this irc asking for help, right? |
| 21:11.27 | Somelauw | tremon: fair enough |
| 21:11.28 | tremon | ... assuming it didn't break your irc client... |
| 21:11.59 | Somelauw | As long as X works I am happy. |
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| 21:12.50 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 21:13.17 | roboman2444 | ok, now i get this... |
| 21:13.17 | roboman2444 | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 743: _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed! |
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| 21:17.45 | tremon | wuffi600: not really. I'd recommend debootstrap for custom wheezy installs |
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| 21:29.54 | roboman2444 | finally! i fixed it |
| 21:29.56 | roboman2444 | lol |
| 21:30.09 | roboman2444 | turns out /etc/group had no permissions at all for anyone other than root |
| 21:30.18 | roboman2444 | so nobody could read it |
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| 21:30.32 | jackweb | It's me, again. Adding i915.i915_enable_fbc=0 to /etc/default/grub didn't help. I'm reminding that the problem regards GNOME freezing. My OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2. |
| 21:31.01 | roboman2444 | jackweb, is your problem the can not find symbols graphics turbo disabled stuff? |
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| 21:32.16 | jackweb | roboman2444: my problem regards GNOME freezing, someone on this channel recommended me to add that line to /etc/default/grub but it didn't work. |
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| 21:32.30 | crete40 | greek? |
| 21:32.35 | tremon | jackweb: there were multiple pointers given (can't recall them now) for kernel variables. I think you'd better follow up upstream (#dri or maybe an intel-specific freedesktop channels exists) |
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| 21:34.01 | jackweb | tremon: are you sure it is not GNOME problem? |
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| 21:34.45 | tremon | no, I'm not. but I'd trust the freedesktop people to help you better than gnome |
| 21:34.51 | jackweb | ok |
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| 21:48.58 | [TheFlash] | hi |
| 21:49.18 | [TheFlash] | i'm unable to install qemu from the backports repository |
| 21:49.25 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions qemu |
| 21:49.26 | judd | Package: qemu on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.1-10lenny1; lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1; squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.0+dfsg-3~bpo60+1+b1; sid: 1.0.1+dfsg-1; wheezy: 1.0.1+dfsg-1; experimental: 1.1.0~rc3+dfsg-1 |
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| 21:50.20 | [TheFlash] | i'm getting a "Broken package" error |
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| 21:51.28 | [TheFlash] | qemu-system : Depends: openbios-ppc (>= 1.0+svn1047) but 1.0+svn640-1 is to be installed |
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| 21:54.20 | [TheFlash] | do i have to install it from source? |
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| 21:55.12 | roboman2444 | now... only to get synaptics outta here |
| 21:55.20 | roboman2444 | i have tried everything |
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| 21:55.49 | roboman2444 | remopving the package, editing xorg conf files, even overwriting .so and module files with evdev ones |
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| 21:55.56 | roboman2444 | yet it still is there... |
| 21:57.30 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: what are you trying to remove? |
| 21:57.51 | roboman2444 | synaptics-touchpad |
| 21:58.04 | roboman2444 | i like the evdev for my touchpad much better |
| 21:58.12 | roboman2444 | but it just wont let me switch |
| 21:58.23 | roboman2444 | so i have to use the 3.1 kernel instead of the 3.2 |
| 21:58.29 | roboman2444 | it may be compiled into the 3.2 |
| 21:58.48 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: removing the package doesn't help? |
| 21:58.52 | roboman2444 | so, is there a way i can completely remove it and perhaps recompile the kernel |
| 21:58.53 | roboman2444 | no |
| 21:59.11 | roboman2444 | neither does editing xorg files, replacing modules, blacklisting moduels |
| 21:59.12 | roboman2444 | etc |
| 21:59.15 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: you could list the files in that package, and remove them manually |
| 21:59.33 | roboman2444 | is there a list command for dpkg or apt? |
| 22:00.14 | [TheFlash] | dpkg -L <package name> |
| 22:00.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package name> |
| 22:00.46 | roboman2444 | k |
| 22:01.17 | roboman2444 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/filelist or that |
| 22:01.38 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: or: apt-file list <package name> |
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| 22:02.03 | roboman2444 | k |
| 22:02.05 | roboman2444 | but |
| 22:02.13 | roboman2444 | it appears i have removed everything |
| 22:02.28 | [TheFlash] | robomon2444: how do you know it's still there? |
| 22:02.52 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: is it listed when you run "lsmod"? |
| 22:03.00 | roboman2444 | well if i boot 3.1 kernel, its all minimal acceleration, tapping enabled etc |
| 22:03.22 | roboman2444 | but if i boot 3.2, it gets super accelery and no tapping and etc, and that changes when i do the synclient stuff |
| 22:03.51 | roboman2444 | and it didnt start until the 3.2 kernel came out |
| 22:03.58 | roboman2444 | in debian-testing |
| 22:04.00 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: try "lsmod" and see if it's loaded |
| 22:04.10 | roboman2444 | no, and has never been |
| 22:04.44 | roboman2444 | also, if i do whatever command to show input device properties, it shows evdev for when im on the 3.1 kernel, and synaptics for when im on the 3.2 |
| 22:05.09 | roboman2444 | xinput i thinl |
| 22:05.11 | roboman2444 | xinput i think |
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| 22:06.11 | roboman2444 | buuut |
| 22:06.13 | roboman2444 | i did a find |
| 22:06.16 | roboman2444 | and found this |
| 22:06.16 | Mick27 | hello guys |
| 22:06.18 | roboman2444 | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64/include/config/mouse/synaptics |
| 22:06.18 | roboman2444 | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64/include/config/mouse/ps2/synaptics.h |
| 22:06.30 | roboman2444 | but, for some reason, that is in the 3.1 kernel include also |
| 22:06.38 | roboman2444 | so i dont think that is the specific problem |
| 22:07.23 | roboman2444 | /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/synaptics_i2c.ko |
| 22:07.23 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.30 | roboman2444 | in 3.1 and 3.2 also |
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| 22:10.32 | roboman2444 | i just have this left... |
| 22:10.33 | roboman2444 | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64/include/config/mouse/synaptics |
| 22:10.33 | roboman2444 | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-2-amd64/include/config/mouse/ps2/synaptics.h |
| 22:10.39 | roboman2444 | and in the 3.1 also |
| 22:11.02 | roboman2444 | but, is there a way to manually tell the kernel to recompile? |
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| 22:17.20 | Mick27 | anyone familliar with the new boot process for squeeze ? insserv |
| 22:17.31 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: if it's integrated in the kernel you'll need to install a kernel package that doesn't include it |
| 22:17.52 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 22:18.08 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: or compile the kernel yourself |
| 22:18.13 | roboman2444 | alright |
| 22:18.35 | roboman2444 | i have nvidia drivers on here, which compiles a moduel for the kernel |
| 22:19.03 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: open source or proprietary? |
| 22:19.13 | roboman2444 | prop |
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| 22:19.49 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: in that case, recompile the kernel and check if they still work |
| 22:19.57 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: if they don't, try reinstalling them |
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| 22:21.11 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: i use fglrx (ATI) and it uses DKMS |
| 22:21.36 | erikadelice | lk |
| 22:21.43 | erikadelice | Who want some fun |
| 22:21.58 | freida | Hello |
| 22:22.05 | freida | guys i wanna fun, who join me pvt |
| 22:22.09 | roboman2444 | [TheFlash], how do i recompile it easily? |
| 22:22.24 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: install the kernel sources first |
| 22:22.42 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: there should be an interactive configuration script there |
| 22:23.02 | [TheFlash] | roboman2444: the only time i compiled the kernel was when i installed gentoo in a VM |
| 22:23.07 | freida | i spread the legs |
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| 22:25.22 | roboman2444 | im pretty sure i have the sources |
| 22:25.24 | roboman2444 | alright |
| 22:25.28 | roboman2444 | ill try it later |
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| 22:27.38 | p00d73 | ok I'm back but my entire system is fubar, the installation of the patched version of libcairo2 seems to have been partially succesful... reinstalling it from console doesn't work |
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| 22:31.46 | mithrop | hi everyone. |
| 22:31.56 | dokma | when searching a pattern in a very long line less positions it's display to the beginning of the line containing the pattern |
| 22:32.02 | dokma | if the line is very long this is not useful at all |
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| 22:32.22 | dokma | is it possible to force less to position on the found instance instead? |
| 22:32.41 | dokma | abrotman: u got any idea? |
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| 22:34.24 | roboman2444 | an easier way to do this is make the system think my touchpad is a ps/2 mouse |
| 22:34.26 | roboman2444 | but... |
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| 22:38.43 | mithrop | are all "non-free" packages in the http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/allpackages list ? |
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| 22:45.05 | Sevet | hi, is there any issue with the testing isos? i'm trying to install from CD-1 and DVD-1 but getting the same error on both. they're amd64 snapshot versions 20120528-04:45, and both fail when trying to install busybox_1.19.3-7_amd64.deb. log shows 'failed to fetch', so i think this package may be missing from the iso |
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| 22:48.05 | nkuttler | Sevet: very likely. the testing installer is to test/debug the installer, not install testing |
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| 22:49.17 | Sevet | ok |
| 22:49.27 | Sevet | i'm downloading debian-wheezy-DI-a1-amd64-netinst.iso to try now... would that the better iso to install from, or is there another that's best? |
| 22:49.45 | nkuttler | Sevet: the stable isos |
| 22:49.48 | meLon | I'm experiencing an issue where graphics aren't being displayed as 'cleanly' as they should. Whenever I scroll down in vim, or a terminal prints a line, that line is garbled/contains parts of the old line for long enough that I can see it and it's bothersome. I don't know what to call this, so I don't know what to google. Any suggestions? ATI |
| 22:50.01 | nkuttler | Sevet: and dist-upgrade later |
| 22:50.13 | JoeHazzers | hrm, does anyone know of a firewall that will sit on top of and utilize iptables, which is more oriented for machine security, rather than network security (like shorewall)? |
| 22:50.19 | nkuttler | meLon: which terminal? |
| 22:50.58 | meLon | All terminals (xterm, gnome-terminal) but this is true about all graphics being displayed. That was the example I could best describe in language :P |
| 22:51.10 | mithrop | where can we find some information about a deleted package please ? |
| 22:51.15 | Sevet | nkuttler: ok thanks |
| 22:51.41 | nkuttler | meLon: are you using screen? |
| 22:51.44 | meLon | Like, every line of text that gets displayed in irssi here, I can see the space being created for the new line, but the text appears really weird and after about a second it cleans up |
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| 22:52.02 | meLon | nkuttler: This happens in screen and without screen. This is happening to websites as I scroll down, as well |
| 22:52.16 | nkuttler | meLon: sounds like your graphics card is dying |
| 22:52.29 | nkuttler | (guess) |
| 22:52.30 | meLon | I just bought it. I just noticed someone suggesting 'sudo aticonfig --sync-video=on' |
| 22:52.57 | nkuttler | mithrop: can you be more specific? |
| 22:53.56 | nkuttler | meLon: you should probably try a different graphics driver |
| 22:54.35 | meLon | nkuttler: I've tried both prop and free, both cause this issue. |
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| 22:54.53 | meLon | I've just run the above command. Restarting X and will report back if it fixed it :D |
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| 22:55.34 | mithrop | nkuttler, I am on wheezy. I have a fglrx-driver installed, not compatible with the new xorg (said everywhere ^^). So I would like to see bugs or something about this packet. But it is nowhere... Only in stable and testing (where it is buggy) |
| 22:56.27 | meLon | nkuttler: I think that 'sudo aticonfig --sync-video=on' resolved my problem (I also have TearFree enabled) Thanks for the help, guys <3 |
| 22:57.01 | meLon | Yeah, that definitely has improved my eyes' experience :D |
| 22:57.01 | nkuttler | mithrop: http://bugs.debian.org/fglrx-driver |
| 22:58.47 | meLon | Actually >_<. New prints to the terminal are still glitchy, but moving windows is much clearer now. I think I can handle the text-tearing unless someone has a suggestion. Is this called 'tearing' ? |
| 22:58.57 | mithrop | nkuttler, ok. But it still not available in my version : http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx-driver&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
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| 22:59.21 | nkuttler | mithrop: such things happen with testing |
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| 22:59.45 | nkuttler | mithrop: see also http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=fglrx-driver |
| 23:00.03 | nkuttler | !why is fglrx-driver not in testing |
| 23:00.03 | dpkg | fglrx-driver is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fglrx-driver |
| 23:01.41 | mithrop | aaah :) the first link is ok. Maybe it was deleted just to be sure to see the one of unstable coming in ^^ (the second link is dead). Thank you ;) |
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| 23:02.16 | nkuttler | yeah, was just testing the bot.. needs to be fixed |
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| 23:03.24 | mithrop | great idea to have a to answer these questions ^^ |
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| 23:13.51 | jokerlol | hi all |
| 23:13.57 | jokerlol | !list |
| 23:13.58 | dpkg | jokerlol: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 23:21.42 | elvis4526 | Is there anyone using mew with emacs overhere? Need serious help about the auto refil |
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| 23:26.12 | AK|laptop | Hi, #debian. I was in here a few days ago with an issue wherein my system sometimes freezes when loading an image in my browser. I have to do a hard shutdown when this happens. Per this channel's advice, I've set up ssh on both desktop and laptop so that I might diagnose the problem, but I need help for that. |
| 23:27.00 | AK|laptop | I need to know which logs to check and what information I'm looking for. |
| 23:28.41 | AK|laptop | I'm sitting here right now with my desktop having just frozen while loading an image on imgur, and I've ssh'd into it from my laptop. |
| 23:28.55 | elvis4526 | Emacs users, where are you? |
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| 23:29.06 | nacimmep | maybe check dmesg for anything out of the ordinary |
| 23:29.26 | AK|laptop | dmesg has no messages since 44 seconds after boot |
| 23:29.52 | AK|laptop | I wish abrotman were around because he is the one who was giving me advice before |
| 23:29.54 | nacimmep | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:30.28 | AK|laptop | [mi] EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop. |
| 23:30.30 | nacimmep | check top see what if anything is running amazingly high |
| 23:30.31 | AK|laptop | Is that relevant? |
| 23:31.05 | nacimmep | other than that you might want to start your browser in a screen session and see if there is any debug logging |
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| 23:31.14 | AK|laptop | I don't know how to do that. |
| 23:31.27 | nacimmep | gnu screen |
| 23:31.42 | AK|laptop | Is it even possible to run a GUI browser over ssh? |
| 23:31.54 | nacimmep | yeah |
| 23:31.55 | krisfremen | AK|laptop: yes, with x11 forwarding |
| 23:32.22 | AK|laptop | Wouldn't debug logging just be kept in a file somewhere, which I could check over ssh? |
| 23:32.34 | nacimmep | what browser |
| 23:32.40 | AK|laptop | Iceweasel |
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| 23:34.02 | nacimmep | might have something to do with your video driver |
| 23:34.31 | AK|laptop | I have no idea |
| 23:34.34 | AK|laptop | That's why I'm here |
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| 23:38.03 | AK|laptop | But it happens on both my desktop and laptop |
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| 23:38.46 | AK|laptop | Laptop uses an Mobile Intel 945GM Express; desktop uses integrate graphics with an Intel GMA 3100 |
| 23:38.50 | dr_jkl | mmmm delicious debian |
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| 23:41.58 | wh1t3 | Hello, I am having issues with X after trying to switch drivers for mt gfx card |
| 23:42.23 | wh1t3 | Specifically, I just get a blinking cursor instead of gdm |
| 23:42.45 | wh1t3 | I checked the usual log files for X as well as gdm and there are no errors as far as I can tell |
| 23:42.51 | wh1t3 | just... nothing... |
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| 23:44.08 | AK|laptop | Anyone? |
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| 23:47.44 | wh1t3 | it seems like X is being started a lot of times... :/ |
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| 23:48.25 | AK|laptop | wh1t3: No one is helping me either... the channel seems rather dead right now despite the 1168 people in it. It sucks b/c I have a frozen desktop that needs fixing |
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| 23:49.14 | wh1t3 | AK|laptop: what's your issue exactly? |
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| 23:49.41 | martianlobster | I thought that I remembered being able to install the Intel compiler, icc, with apt-get install. But I can't find it now with apt-cache search. Am I missing somthing? |
| 23:49.47 | AK|laptop | Oh, my GUI will occasionally freeze up when I load an image in my browser |
| 23:49.59 | AK|laptop | I have SSH access into the frozen computer but I don't know how to diagnose & fix the problem |
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| 23:51.00 | wh1t3 | which browser AK|laptop ? |
| 23:51.06 | AK|laptop | Iceweasel |
| 23:51.32 | wh1t3 | does it freeze permanently? |
| 23:51.39 | AK|laptop | Yes, I have to do a hard shutdown |
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| 23:53.10 | wh1t3 | AK|laptop: but the system is still working, since you can SSH to it. Can you just get a terminal by doing Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? |
| 23:53.29 | AK|laptop | Nope |
| 23:53.31 | AK|laptop | It does nothing |
| 23:54.27 | wh1t3 | okay, so it's probably not accepting input anymore |
| 23:54.33 | wh1t3 | have you checked the syslog? |
| 23:54.38 | wh1t3 | /var/log/syslog |
| 23:54.43 | AK|laptop | Nope, let me do so |
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| 23:55.39 | AK|laptop | This is the most recent entry |
| 23:55.43 | AK|laptop | Jun 3 16:17:01 alpha /USR/SBIN/CRON[3708]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 23:55.51 | AK|laptop | Three minutes before the freeze |
| 23:56.44 | wh1t3 | hmm |
| 23:56.49 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I have dovecot-common installed. Dovecot-core has a bug on it which says it eats -common's configs. I want to upgrade but rescue my changes in /etc/**/*. |
| 23:57.17 | jonaskoelker | I think what I want to do is diff those files against the package's original config files. Is that right, and how do I get at those? |
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| 23:58.31 | wh1t3 | AK|laptop: no idea then, sorry man :( |
| 23:58.59 | jonaskoelker | I s'pose those are the ones at /var/lib/ucf/cache/:etc:dovecot:*? |
| 23:59.34 | Black_Prince | wow |
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| 23:59.43 | Black_Prince | Debian Sid 64bit just installed ... with gnome-core package |
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| 23:59.52 | Black_Prince | using 300MB of ram when gnome starts .. |
| 23:59.53 | Black_Prince | fun |
