| 00:00.31 | Black_Prince | also ... thank you for hiding "force fallback" option from gnome-control-center ... you did good work of hiding of usefull stuff |
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| 00:01.36 | jonaskoelker | ^_^ looks so. I'm good. Thanks you, yourself. Sorry for noising up the room :-) |
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| 00:02.23 | Black_Prince | I don't know if this is my fault ... But Xorg does not read keyboard settings from /etc/default/keyboard |
| 00:02.27 | Black_Prince | Anyone else experienced this? |
| 00:02.34 | Black_Prince | I tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ... But same satuff |
| 00:02.35 | Black_Prince | stuff* |
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| 00:05.59 | jelly-home | you might want to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org), Black_Prince, and check the bts |
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| 00:09.24 | AK|laptop | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80310 |
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| 00:14.15 | GG111 | How can I change the green color of executbale files in ls -l , debian squeeze ? |
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| 00:19.12 | Riviera | GG111: ls respects the environment variable LS_COLORS for determining which colours it should use for the different filenames it recognises. |
| 00:19.34 | Riviera | GG111: the value for this environment variable can be created with the "dircolors" command. |
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| 00:20.05 | Riviera | GG111: The dircolors command can take a config file. You can generate a template for that via "dircolors -p > ~/.dircolors" |
| 00:20.08 | GG111 | Riviera: I know of DIR_COLORS file, in other distros, how can I do that in Debian ? |
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| 00:20.52 | GG111 | I see, and will putting that file in /etc/dircolros make it global ? |
| 00:20.55 | Riviera | GG111: This you can then modify and use by using something like test -r ~/.dircolors && eval "$(dircolors ~/.dircolors)" |
| 00:21.14 | Riviera | GG111: in ~/.bash_profile or similar. |
| 00:21.36 | Riviera | GG111: I don't know -- only if there's code that'd use this file. |
| 00:21.45 | GG111 | I see |
| 00:22.18 | Riviera | (all that's documented in "info coreutils") |
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| 00:23.27 | abrotman | looks at AK|laptop |
| 00:23.40 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Remember me? |
| 00:23.45 | GG111 | mm.. the code that I have in /etc/bash.bashrc only evaluates ~/.dircolors |
| 00:23.54 | abrotman | yes ... but advice about what? |
| 00:24.06 | AK|laptop | abrotman: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80310 |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | AK|laptop: are you the guy i wanted to ssh in ? |
| 00:25.07 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Yes sir |
| 00:25.21 | abrotman | AK|laptop: so ssh totally fails? |
| 00:25.28 | AK|laptop | Nope, ssh works fine |
| 00:25.41 | abrotman | can you tell what is taking CPU/RAM ? |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | is mildly here while he makes food |
| 00:26.00 | AK|laptop | What command? |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | top? |
| 00:27.05 | AK|laptop | Xorg is taking 100% CPU |
| 00:27.08 | AK|laptop | I think |
| 00:27.32 | AK|laptop | And there's no heavy mem users |
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| 00:29.08 | abrotman | can you see what child process is doing that? |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | AK|laptop: are you using nvidia or ati binary drivers? |
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| 00:29.56 | AK|laptop | I don't know how @ the first, and no @ the second |
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| 00:30.24 | phsl | How do I get an old vm in xendomains in squeeze? |
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| 00:30.48 | AK|laptop | Xorg is the only process listed on top that's taking any significant amount of CPU |
| 00:30.53 | phsl | xm new not working |
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| 00:35.30 | monoxyde- | i've got a marvell sheevaplug, but streaming media off of it for my PCs eats up all my memory and it doesn't seem to be utilizing my swap space..... does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 00:37.52 | gnarface | monoxyde-: more ram or better streaming codecs? |
| 00:38.17 | abrotman | AK|laptop: lspci -nn ... is there an ati or nvidia card ? is flash involved ? |
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| 00:39.15 | AK|laptop | abrotman: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29c2] (rev 02) |
| 00:39.39 | AK|laptop | Is that what you wanted from lspci? And no, no ATI/nvidia card, just onboard intel graphics... and unless the imgur page in question contains Flash, then no |
| 00:39.51 | abrotman | AK|laptop: flash? |
| 00:40.04 | abrotman | AK|laptop: squeeze? |
| 00:40.21 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Yes, squeeze. And this is the page that froze me up https://imgur.com/nb1fJ |
| 00:40.39 | AK|laptop | It's SFW and if there are any ads I didn't see them |
| 00:41.49 | abrotman | AK|laptop: what is your flash version ? |
| 00:42.13 | monoxyde- | gnarface it only has 512mb ram, i can't add more |
| 00:42.33 | krisfremen | install noscript and adblock for firefox |
| 00:42.44 | abrotman | or IW |
| 00:42.53 | AK|laptop | krisfremen: I use both of those plus my HOSTS file to block ads |
| 00:43.03 | krisfremen | and it still froze? |
| 00:43.14 | AK|laptop | and abrotman, I'm looking for the apt-get option to check a package's version |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | AK|laptop: about:plugins |
| 00:44.54 | AK|laptop | abrotman: I can't, my desktop is still frozen |
| 00:45.03 | AK|laptop | But I'm pretty sure my desktop and laptop have the same version... |
| 00:45.14 | krisfremen | dpkg: dpkg -l 'nameofpackage' |
| 00:45.15 | dpkg | krisfremen: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:45.23 | krisfremen | errr |
| 00:45.26 | AK|laptop | So let's go with Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 |
| 00:45.27 | krisfremen | AK|laptop: ^ |
| 00:45.41 | AK|laptop | Oh |
| 00:45.58 | AK|laptop | It says 1:2.8.2. |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 00:48.08 | AK|laptop | http://pastebin.com/5FQLCWM6 the result of dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 00:48.53 | abrotman | AK|laptop: when is the last time you ran "update-flash-plugin --install" ? |
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| 00:49.07 | AK|laptop | abrotman: I have never ran that command |
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| 00:50.27 | AK|laptop | abrotman: When I was getting extra packages that I wanted after installing my system, I simply installed the flashplugin-nonfree package and it's worked fine in Iceweasel |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | AK|laptop: try that command, see what happens |
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| 00:52.34 | AK|laptop | sudo: update-flash-plugin: command not found |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | ugh |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | update-flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 00:54.16 | AK|laptop | with the --install option? Done, no output |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | at all? |
| 00:54.51 | AK|laptop | At all |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | AK|laptop: and what version of iceweasel is installed ? |
| 00:56.32 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Iceweasel 12 |
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| 00:57.38 | abrotman | AK|laptop: and both video drivers are intel ? |
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| 00:57.59 | AK|laptop | abrotman: As far as I know, yes... both computers use an onboard Intel card |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | AK|laptop: same card though ? |
| 00:59.59 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Laptop uses an Mobile Intel 945GM Express; desktop uses integrate graphics with an Intel GMA 3100 |
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| 01:00.33 | abrotman | AK|laptop: can you please make sure the desktop is fully up to date |
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| 01:01.08 | AK|laptop | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 01:01.08 | AK|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.11 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Yes |
| 01:01.29 | arejay | Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help im tryin to get a list of all packages installed so i can mirror to another system |
| 01:01.33 | arejay | i tried dpkg –get-selections > ~/software-list.txt |
| 01:01.38 | arejay | but i get an error |
| 01:01.52 | abrotman | AK|laptop: so upgrade those |
| 01:01.58 | AK|laptop | abrotman: I did |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | !tell arejay about aptitude clone |
| 01:02.21 | arejay | AH |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | AK|laptop: still crashy ? |
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| 01:03.30 | AK|laptop | abrotman: Yes, my desktop is still frozen |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | AK|laptop: upgrading those packages would require at least a restart of IW |
| 01:04.06 | AK|laptop | abrotman: So should I try killing iceweasel through ssh? |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:04.36 | AK|laptop | killall firefox-bin |
| 01:04.43 | AK|laptop | I guess that did it |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | make sure |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | is X still messed ? |
| 01:05.13 | AK|laptop | According to top it's still using 100% of CPU |
| 01:05.52 | abrotman | Xorg is |
| 01:06.01 | AK|laptop | Yes |
| 01:06.06 | abrotman | kill it |
| 01:06.36 | AK|laptop | I ran 'sudo killall Xorg' and it did nothing |
| 01:06.51 | abrotman | Xorg is still running? |
| 01:07.03 | AK|laptop | According to top |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | try a -9 |
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| 01:07.44 | AK|laptop | That worked |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | i bet it did |
| 01:07.54 | AK|laptop | Desktop is unfrozen and I just logged back in |
| 01:07.55 | arejay | abrotman: so that will grab ALL packages so i can just do that, backup my ~/ and reinstall |
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| 01:08.19 | Dante_J | morning all |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | arejay: not "grab all", but show you what's installed |
| 01:08.25 | abrotman | morning?! |
| 01:08.28 | Dante_J | any security devs in here? |
| 01:08.31 | dvs | night! |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | puts his beer down |
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| 01:08.42 | arejay | abrotman: can't i just import that list back into apt |
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| 01:08.45 | Andorin | abrotman: And this is me from my desktop |
| 01:08.50 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | arejay: as the bot told you |
| 01:09.20 | Andorin | I could have killed Xorg at any time through ssh, of course, but I don't know whether or not the problem is still here |
| 01:09.32 | Dante_J | Debian Bug report logs - #664032 refers to CVE-2012-1177, yet DSA-2482-1 refers to CVE-2012-2653. I was hoping someone could clarify this for me. |
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| 01:09.50 | abrotman | Dante_J: you'd do better to email the debian-security list |
| 01:10.03 | Dante_J | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 01:11.03 | arejay | whats the best/fatest way to backup a dir besides tar cf |
| 01:11.23 | Diopter | rsync |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | cpio ? |
| 01:11.57 | arejay | k |
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| 01:12.09 | Andorin | abrotman: Do you have any idea whether the cause of the problem has been solved? |
| 01:12.25 | abrotman | Andorin: i don't, and neither will you til yu test it |
| 01:13.17 | Andorin | abrotman: test it? |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | go for it |
| 01:13.44 | Andorin | Browse images and see if it freezes again? |
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| 01:13.58 | abrotman | go for it! |
| 01:15.52 | Andorin | :S I guess I'll come back once more if it happens again |
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| 01:16.12 | fklsd | How can I find out what my current chipset is? I'm reading this page https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_Speed_Control and it tells me to put the cpu fan speed at my chipset |
| 01:16.17 | Andorin | It's pretty random... last time it happened I did nothing for half an hour except browse through img after img and it didn't freeze up |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | Andorin: yeah, that's how it works |
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| 01:27.28 | oneadvent | hello. I am trying to run asterisk on debian squeeze. I need incoming connections to be accepted on 5060, how do i open that port? |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | the daemon should do that |
| 01:28.29 | oneadvent | was that to me abrotman? if so, which daemon? |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | the asterix daemon |
| 01:29.05 | oneadvent | oh hmmm...well i can't seem to hit it...anyway to test? |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | telnet ? nc ? |
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| 01:31.36 | oneadvent | i can try :) |
| 01:33.48 | crippledmonk | I just went with debian 6 net install. I'm trying to figure out if youtube-dl works "SAFELY" with debian. I had it plus a program called yt installed when my system was crunchbang and I could browse in tty youtube listings and play video via mplayer. looking for advise. |
| 01:36.28 | jagginess | crippledmonk, i dont think this is debian to blame if it doesnt work. it would depend on the makers of the program-- fact is youtube/yahoo/msn may update their protocol at any time (that's why programs like pidgins are always getting updated-- same thing here) |
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| 01:36.55 | LtL | crippledmonk: http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ get the file, mkdir ~/bin ; enable ~/bin in ~./bashrc and you're good to go. now thats easy. |
| 01:39.02 | LtL | crippledmonk: that's be ~/.bashrc there's a comment in there to make ~/bin in your $PATH, used it for years. |
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| 01:39.40 | LtL | crippledmonk: just toss youtube-dl in there. |
| 01:40.10 | LtL | crippledmonk: and have python installed which is by default iirc. |
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| 01:40.45 | crippledmonk | LtL, thanks I'm working on it now...still kinda noob.....I'm irc'ing via irssi |
| 01:41.10 | LtL | crippledmonk: irssi rocks. |
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| 01:42.23 | LtL | crippledmonk: btw syntax is in a terminal, 'youtube-dl url' that's it. |
| 01:44.24 | crippledmonk | LtL, I had crunch setup with a program called yt which used youtube-dl and in term or flatout tty it gave listings of youtube stuff (kinda like mc). from there you just hit the number of the listing and bang...mplayer played it..... |
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| 01:45.40 | LtL | crippledmonk: hrm, I don't even youtube much, the youtube-dl script suits me fine. |
| 01:47.00 | crippledmonk | LtL, Im working on remembering exactly what exactly to do for the bashrc file. I su <password> then geany ~/.bashrc but it was blank..what'd I miss. |
| 01:47.41 | LtL | crippledmonk: are you doing this for your account or another user? |
| 01:47.49 | crippledmonk | just mine |
| 01:48.30 | LtL | crippledmonk: you don't need root to edit your own .bashrc |
| 01:49.39 | LtL | crippledmonk: you may want to make a backup just in case. nano -B ~/.bashrc will do it for you. |
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| 01:52.04 | LtL | crippledmonk: my mistake its in ~/.profile sorry. |
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| 01:53.32 | LtL | crippledmonk: I think ~/bin is/will be in your path if you just mkdir ~/bin .. i forget if i editted that. |
| 01:53.47 | LtL | crippledmonk: just read ~/.profile |
| 01:53.49 | crippledmonk | LtL, so do I uncomment the set PATH at the end? |
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| 01:54.51 | LtL | crippledmonk: forget .bashrc, in ~/.profile there is a stanza regarding $HOME/bin just be sure its un-commented |
| 01:55.17 | LtL | crippledmonk: then create the dir /home/user/bin |
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| 01:57.14 | LtL | crippledmonk: i do set my path and prompt in ~/.bashrc for what it's worth. others do it differently. |
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| 01:57.50 | stew | set path in .profile or .bash_profile, prompt in .bashrc |
| 01:58.16 | LtL | stew: yeah, that's the proper way. |
| 01:58.33 | stew | as setting prompt will be idempotent, but setting path will accumulate |
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| 02:03.49 | tintin | i'm getting gconf error |
| 02:03.51 | tintin | GConf error: Failed to contact configuration server; the most common cause is a missing or misconfigured D-Bus session bus daemon. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Server ping error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0) |
| 02:03.53 | tintin | All further errors shown only on terminal |
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| 02:04.06 | tintin | during extracting file with file-roller |
| 02:04.20 | tintin | it happened after dist-upgrade |
| 02:04.41 | stew | /etc/init.d/dbus restart? |
| 02:05.24 | tintin | stew: for me? |
| 02:05.31 | crippledmonk | LtL/Stew, Got it!....Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. |
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| 02:06.07 | LtL | crippledmonk: have fun |
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| 02:10.47 | crippledmonk | I started years ago with ubuntu, then mint, then crunchbang and now I'm in the process of moving into debian stable......Still a real noob but not deathly afraid of the command line anymore. I now use irssi, mutt, fbi for tty image viewing etc instead of gui stuff....Having a blast thus far...can't wait until I'm actuall good at linux. |
| 02:11.51 | LtL | crippledmonk: you'll like debian, just don't mess up your sources.list with something stupid |
| 02:12.24 | crippledmonk | I like not having flashplayer installed... |
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| 02:31.49 | Guest38574 | anyone using snort please? |
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| 02:34.51 | jagginess | Guest38574, why, you cheating? |
| 02:35.14 | Guest38574 | jagginess cheating?? dont get it |
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| 02:35.36 | jagginess | Guest38574, you cheating? I'm paid to look after you :) |
| 02:35.48 | LtL | Guest38574: there is a #snort channel. |
| 02:36.02 | Guest38574 | LOL |
| 02:36.13 | jagginess | XD |
| 02:36.15 | Guest38574 | yes but that channel is dead quiet |
| 02:36.49 | Guest38574 | Ive been all weekend just triying to configure automatic rules download and thats driving me crazy!!!! |
| 02:37.23 | LtL | Guest38574: http://www.snort.org/docs ..best i can do for ya. |
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| 02:39.02 | Guest38574 | thanks |
| 02:39.28 | LtL | yw |
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| 03:14.01 | Guest38574 | Im using stable, how can I install a deb from unstable? |
| 03:15.13 | LtL | Guest38574: save yourself problems and try a backport |
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| 03:15.49 | Guest38574 | I need bleeding edge snort .deb to avoid some problems |
| 03:17.15 | LtL | Guest38574: try installing the latest snort in /opt or /usr/local/ and hope you can satisfy dependancies ? |
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| 03:18.41 | Guest38574 | from source? |
| 03:18.56 | LtL | Guest38574: yes |
| 03:19.14 | Guest38574 | ok |
| 03:19.33 | LtL | Guest38574: keep asking, unstable is doable, but iffy |
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| 03:23.14 | Strav` | Hi! I'm having a problem with my intel 5100 AGN card, very similar to the following bug: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2012/03/msg00377.html, my wifi inteface seems to randomly go into deep sleep and only a reboot is able to get it back (tried: reloading the iwlwifi module, tried /etc/init.d/networking restart, etc.) The latest comment about this bugs seems to date from last march, is anyone aware if there's been any progress |
| 03:23.15 | Strav` | since then? |
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| 03:29.33 | squarepeg | hello |
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| 03:29.47 | squarepeg | I'm going to upgrade from squeeze to sid |
| 03:30.19 | squarepeg | can I just replace each instance of 'squeeze' with 'sid' in my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:31.06 | stew | squarepeg: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 03:32.39 | stew | squarepeg: also perhaps /msg dpkg sid upgrade ; /msg dpkg sid upgrade test |
| 03:33.14 | squarepeg | stew: thanks |
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| 03:34.06 | stew | squarepeg: why would you want to do such a thing in the first place? |
| 03:34.21 | squarepeg | stew, for the more recent apps |
| 03:34.31 | stew | squarepeg: can't you use backports? |
| 03:34.41 | squarepeg | perhaps I can. |
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| 03:35.32 | squarepeg | I want the latest builds of certain apps. |
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| 03:36.09 | squarepeg | I'm pretty sure I just want to use unstable. |
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| 03:37.07 | squarepeg | looks like the bot was programmed to take exception to the word "upgrade" |
| 03:37.27 | squarepeg | well... I'm looking to switch. |
| 03:38.06 | stew | squarepeg: what made you choose unstable instaed of testing? |
| 03:38.21 | squarepeg | good question |
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| 03:38.51 | stew | but you are pretty sure? |
| 03:38.58 | squarepeg | Basically, I want blender 2.63, gimp 2.8, conkeror 1.0 |
| 03:39.21 | stew | and why can't you just use backports? |
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| 03:39.35 | squarepeg | perhaps I can. |
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| 03:39.48 | stew | but you're pretty sure you don't want to? |
| 03:39.53 | squarepeg | I fiured this would be easier, and it wouldn't destabilize my system in any significant way |
| 03:40.01 | stew | uh |
| 03:40.38 | stew | if you were figuring that using unstable, even though you don't know how to use it, would not destabilize your system. you probably don't want unstable |
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| 03:42.20 | squarepeg | I know a little about backports. But I'm not sure about a couple things. |
| 03:42.35 | stew | squarepeg: have you checked the bts for the packages for which you are thinking about upgrading? |
| 03:43.07 | squarepeg | stew: that's what I was wondering about |
| 03:43.22 | stew | what do you mean? |
| 03:43.43 | squarepeg | versionbackports are software from a newer repo made available to an older version? |
| 03:43.55 | squarepeg | whoops |
| 03:44.12 | stew | yes |
| 03:44.13 | squarepeg | also, I want to install mosh |
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| 03:44.45 | squarepeg | yes, so does that mean I can "backport" any package from the newer version, or I can get what others have backported? |
| 03:45.19 | stew | sometimes the former, sometimes the latter |
| 03:45.58 | LtL | squarepeg: thing is, with backported versions you don't sacrifice stability. |
| 03:46.10 | squarepeg | Suppose a package has dependencies which preclude me running it on stable? |
| 03:46.32 | squarepeg | well, I'll give it a try. Sounds like good advice. |
| 03:46.45 | squarepeg | I was getting greedy about the new linux kernel too. |
| 03:47.03 | LtL | squarepeg: backported packages are built precisely to avoid that possibility. |
| 03:47.04 | squarepeg | I'm get a bit of joy from watching version numbers go up. |
| 03:47.57 | squarepeg | I feel slightly less joyful with the 2.6 kernel, even though I don't know any of the new features. |
| 03:48.10 | stew | you only run into that problem when the *build-time* dependencies preclude *building* on stable. but most of the time, that just means you need to first backport the build dependencies first |
| 03:49.21 | stew | squarepeg: you mean that because linus abitrarily decided that he should start calling the kernel "3.x" instead of "2.6" you should feel deprived? |
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| 03:49.31 | squarepeg | precisely |
| 03:49.36 | stew | uh, ok |
| 03:49.45 | stew | anyway, backports.debian.org has 3.2 kernels |
| 03:49.53 | stew | for stable |
| 03:49.57 | squarepeg | nice |
| 03:50.15 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 03:50.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 03:50.56 | squarepeg | Sometimes I see "nightly builds" and opportunities for fresh git clones and I get excited. |
| 03:51.14 | squarepeg | When I used proprietary software, i got the same thrill from zero-day ftps |
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| 03:51.40 | squarepeg | zero-day warez, beta versions, alpha versions of new apps. |
| 03:52.44 | LtL | squarepeg: so thats how you got your nick! |
| 03:54.31 | squarepeg | I got this nick after I got banned from Ubuntu under another nick |
| 03:55.29 | LtL | squarepeg: getting banned from ubuntu is a blessing in disguise |
| 03:56.10 | Strav` | hehe |
| 03:56.17 | stew | i disagree, but whatever |
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| 03:57.06 | squarepeg | I've had only one technical problem with Ubuntu, |
| 03:57.18 | LtL | It was a joke after all |
| 03:57.20 | Strav` | It depends on what support level you need. You ask real questions in #debian, and the common ones on #ubuntu |
| 03:57.26 | stew | squarepeg: if you want to do stupid stuff that might end up with you wasting time, or maybe losing data or whatever, feel free to go ahead and do it. if you want advice from us, don't expect it to align with these goals. if you want to learn more about debian, learn to ask better questions |
| 03:57.31 | squarepeg | it's syslogd mismatching the amd64 kernel version on my server |
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| 03:57.52 | stew | Strav`: no, ask quesitons relating to ubuntu in #ubuntu in questions relating to debian in #debian |
| 03:58.08 | Strav` | Of course I guess you should always hide the fact that you're running ubuntu even if your problem concerns a kernel module. |
| 03:58.15 | stew | i don't agree that a "common" question is not a real quesiton, or vice-versa |
| 03:58.16 | squarepeg | the reason I switched my notebook from ubuntu to debian, was just basically brand loyalty |
| 03:58.25 | night_marez | hahahah |
| 03:58.29 | stew | Strav`: no, not at all |
| 03:58.38 | squarepeg | stew: that's not a question, only a comment |
| 03:59.47 | Strav` | stew: by common I mean the questions for which the answer is obvious and has already been stated a thousand of times. Given the mass of people in ubuntu, you get an answer to those pretty quickly. Now if you have a real problem you put on a disguise and ask in debian or gentoo. |
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| 04:00.01 | stew | Strav`: no, bullshit |
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| 04:00.12 | stew | Strav`: you are doing an actuve disservice to both communities |
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| 04:00.17 | stew | active* |
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| 04:00.58 | Strav` | stew: I usually share my answer to the problems I've found in an agnostic way on some open forum. |
| 04:01.13 | stew | Strav`: ok? |
| 04:01.17 | Strav` | I don't like village people, do you? |
| 04:01.35 | stew | Strav`: sure, but let's please keep it on topic. |
| 04:02.34 | Strav` | Yea of course. Only it would it help the cause if 85% of ubuntu wasn't directly pulled of from debian and that the ubuntu channel weren't overloaded by the commoners questions. |
| 04:02.37 | stew | Strav`: and i just cannot endorse your reasoning. questions about ubuntu, no matter how, as you put it, "real" they are, belong in #ubuntu, and have no place here |
| 04:02.44 | squarepeg | One trend I've noticed is that free and open source software acceptance in corporate IT departments makes freenode more conservative |
| 04:03.59 | stew | Strav`: if you have a problem with the ubuntu channel, talk about it in #ubuntu-ops or #ubuntu-irc, there is nothing we can do about it here, and it makes off-topic questions about ubuntu no more relevant |
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| 04:05.32 | squarepeg | I'm still going to use Ubuntu for clients if they want the option of a support contract. |
| 04:06.46 | Strav` | stew: I'm being ironic btw, those "topic" discussions always lead to flames. But so you know, the only people I've seen to be really helpful, if the question was general enough, never cared if you were running gentoo or fedora or anything else as long as you remained in a consistent technical context. I'll let the religious wars to religious people. |
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| 04:07.13 | stew | Strav`: then perhaps move to ##linux |
| 04:07.28 | stew | Strav`: where is the irony here? |
| 04:07.59 | Strav` | the irony was in my previous comments about the types of questions and the proper channels for them. |
| 04:08.16 | Strav` | irony/not being serious. |
| 04:08.26 | stew | Strav`: am I to undetstand that you push this topic in here, which is contrary to our channel policies, and you understand to always lead to flames? |
| 04:08.37 | stew | really, how am I supposed to feel about that? |
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| 04:09.07 | Strav` | Puzzled by a philosophical paradox? |
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| 04:09.20 | stew | nah |
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| 04:10.24 | stew | Strav`: we should move this privately anyway, as we've gone far off-topic |
| 04:10.56 | mrrothhcloud__ | hi what is your morning workflow and habit to get to work Alert, On time, and informed.. I have work at 7:30, and a 35 min commute on buss and train, I have my iPhone and iPad, (use iPhone for hotspot / music) and iPad for personal email and rss feeds, and use my blackberry for work email |
| 04:11.05 | mrrothhcloud__ | what are good habits for the AM |
| 04:11.24 | mrrothhcloud__ | anything debian community like to do in the AM |
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| 04:15.27 | squarepeg | drink a cup of coffee |
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| 04:17.57 | mrrothhcloud__ | oh lucky you |
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| 04:30.51 | aill | in APF or iptables how can I block a remote connection from my server pointing to say 11.22.33.44 (permanently) ? |
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| 04:35.42 | AuroSoniQ | <Inquisitor> aill : try installing ajenti |
| 04:35.53 | AuroSoniQ | <Inquisitor> is very easy to handle iptable with it |
| 04:35.54 | AuroSoniQ | <Inquisitor> i recommend that |
| 04:37.31 | stew | aill: apf -d 11.22.33.44 |
| 04:37.44 | stew | aill: (try apf --help) |
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| 04:42.49 | aill | stew it doesnt work |
| 04:43.00 | aill | seems unaffected, i can still ping the remote ip |
| 04:43.10 | aill | and access it via tcp |
| 04:43.38 | stew | aill: check "iptables -L -n -v | fgrep 11.22.33.44" you should find it as a current rule? |
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| 04:45.14 | Talon_ | I'm attempting to install debian, it's not recognizing my network adapter, isn't there a chart or something so I can put it on a disc or flash drive to load? |
| 04:47.03 | aill | for some fubar reason its not in iptables stew |
| 04:47.10 | aill | it should be... |
| 04:47.46 | LtL | Talon_: this might be helpful, http://wiki.debian.org/InstallToUsbMemoryStick |
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| 04:48.56 | Talon_ | I got an install CD, it needs drivers for my network card... installings kinda pointless via cd/usb/etc... without being able to use the net. |
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| 04:49.52 | LtL | Talon_: put the drivers in a firmware dir on a usb stick |
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| 04:50.23 | Talon_ | I would if I knew what it needs |
| 04:51.13 | LtL | Talon_: boot a live cd and get an lspci -nn ouput for the device bus id? |
| 04:51.51 | Talon_ | I don't have a live cd |
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| 04:52.27 | LtL | Talon_: got the specs for your card or board? |
| 04:52.43 | LtL | Talon_: look it up in a hcl |
| 04:53.02 | Talon_ | rosewill rnx-n180pce |
| 04:53.53 | LtL | Talon_: try searching here, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 04:55.57 | Talon_ | that doesn't help... |
| 04:56.36 | LtL | Talon_: sorry |
| 04:57.26 | LtL | Talon_: you could install, then find the id, then get the drivers off another box |
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| 05:00.20 | Ludvig | alright, problems in dosbox: sound is choppy and it says it got a different value from SDL or something |
| 05:00.35 | Ludvig | I'm on testing |
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| 05:07.48 | aypea[1] | hi. is there a util that'll tell me, in full, what time/date a process started? down to the second at least? |
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| 05:11.11 | ramspandu | hai all, I have a wireless adapter connected to my conmuter. it is not detecting my wireless n etwork. What shall I do? |
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| 05:12.33 | ramspandu | hai all, I have a wireless adapter connected to my conmuter. it is not detecting my wireless n etwork. What shall I do? |
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| 05:16.37 | jagginess | ramspandu, you should do what you have to |
| 05:17.01 | jagginess | ramspandu, ask a real question |
| 05:17.03 | Ludvig | alright, problems in dosbox: sound is choppy and it says it got a different value from SDL or something |
| 05:17.04 | stew | ramspandu: does "iwlist scan" find anything? |
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| 05:18.21 | doxinho | best updated vpn guide? |
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| 05:21.02 | ramspandu | stew: "no. it gives No scan results" |
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| 05:21.59 | jagginess | Ludvig, dosbox is never perfect.. the most stable dos you can have is using 'Other'(32-bit) profile type and install one of those Doses' in virtalbox/vmware.. |
| 05:23.02 | ramspandu | stew: "no. it gives No scan results" |
| 05:23.23 | Ludvig | jagginess: but it was working fine in ubuntu |
| 05:23.31 | Ludvig | the problem happened when I switched to debian |
| 05:23.38 | Ludvig | and yes i was using 64-bit version |
| 05:24.53 | jagginess | Ludvig, see if prebuffer= can help ( http://dosbox.webatu.com/en:faq ) |
| 05:25.02 | Ludvig | I tried it, doesn't |
| 05:25.38 | jagginess | well you gotta keep trying other things.. |
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| 05:26.33 | Ludvig | rate, prebuffer, blocksize, tried it all |
| 05:26.44 | jagginess | Ludvig, then join a mailing list.. |
| 05:26.51 | Ludvig | the best a higher prebuffer can do is just make the choppiness slower |
| 05:26.55 | Ludvig | but it's still there |
| 05:27.06 | Ludvig | very much there |
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| 05:27.26 | Ludvig | also tried frameskip |
| 05:27.59 | Ludvig | jagginess: this shouldn't be a recent bug |
| 05:28.41 | jagginess | Ludvig, you tried cycles= ? |
| 05:28.45 | Ludvig | yes |
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| 05:29.13 | jagginess | Ludvig, well then, we outta ideas.. you need to contact somebody and ask what's going on.. |
| 05:29.45 | Ludvig | that's what I'm doing |
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| 05:30.17 | Ludvig | I suspect the problem comes from going from ESD to alsa/pulseaudio |
| 05:30.26 | Ludvig | since in esd it was fine |
| 05:31.03 | Ludvig | but in the newest testing there's no way to go from pulseaudio to alsa |
| 05:31.18 | Ludvig | there used to be libsdl-esd, libsdl-pulseaudio, and so on |
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| 05:33.57 | ramspandu | hai all, i have a wireless adapter connected to my computer. but it is not decting my wireless network. what shall I do? |
| 05:34.30 | jagginess | ramspandu, maybe its not your wireless adapter the problem. |
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| 05:35.19 | ramspandu | jagginess: the wireless adapter worked with another system running ubuntu |
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| 05:36.17 | jagginess | ramspandu, no need to respond the same across different channels |
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| 05:37.32 | ramspandu | jagginess: ok. can you suggest me any solution for my problem? |
| 05:37.35 | jagginess | ramspandu, well maybe it was a more recent kernel. |
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| 05:38.04 | jagginess | ramspandu, do you know what a kernel is? |
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| 05:38.31 | ramspandu | jagginess: yes. I knoiw a few things about the kernel |
| 05:39.13 | jagginess | ramspandu, do you know what module your device was using on the working machine? |
| 05:39.44 | ramspandu | jagginess: No. how can i find that? |
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| 05:41.11 | jagginess | ramspandu, hints-- dmesg |grep -i net<enter> |
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| 05:43.11 | ramspandu | jagginess: here is the output of the command dmesg | grep -i net --- http://pastebin.com/g10G0p6A |
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| 05:45.14 | jagginess | ramspandu, try -- dmesg |grep wlan0<enter> |
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| 05:49.04 | rking | Is there a way to somehow background the man-db creation of an install? |
| 05:49.45 | jagginess | rking, there's documentation for making a .deb which describes how manpages are made/handled etc... |
| 05:49.49 | rking | I'm scripting this install that needs to happen before a user can interact with a system, and they sit there and stare at the "building man-db database" for however long. |
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| 05:50.12 | rking | jagginess: I mean I'm aptitude install'ing some stuff, and it's taking too long at that step. |
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| 05:50.33 | rking | What would be ideal is if it would do everything except that piece in the foreground, then fork to the background for it. |
| 05:53.08 | rking | Haha, I got it. |
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| 05:53.16 | rking | I'll get rid of man-db |
| 05:54.41 | jagginess | rking, well i can see why you're refusing to go read what i told you. you're clueless rascal.. |
| 05:55.12 | rking | jagginess: Oh, actually I misread it. |
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| 05:55.41 | rking | I thought you were talking about me /making/ a .deb. You're simply saying that doc happens to be the one that describes the man-db process. Got it. |
| 05:56.05 | rking | Though I have no idea which doc that is. |
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| 05:57.40 | ramspandu | hai all, my wireless adapter is not recognizing my wireless network. What shall I do? |
| 05:57.44 | rking | Yeah, so far it looks like I'm going to remain a clueless rascal for lack of googlability on that doc. |
| 05:57.59 | rking | ramspandu: Give us more hints. |
| 05:58.30 | jagginess | ramspandu, i typed something but you left. |
| 05:58.37 | ramspandu | rking: "iwlist wlan0 scan" gives the result "wlan0 No scan results" |
| 05:58.45 | rking | ramspandu: Did this machine work at some other time? On some other wifi network? Does it's CAT5 cable networking work? Do you have the kernel modules loaded for the adapter? Is the interface up according to ifconfig? |
| 05:58.46 | jagginess | ramspandu, dmesg |grep wlan0 (on the working ubuntu) |
| 05:58.59 | rking | ramspandu: OK. Try it through wicd-curses |
| 05:59.18 | rking | jagginess: Can you give me some additional keyword so I can find that doc? |
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| 06:00.15 | ramspandu | It is a new system. NBut the adapter worked with other computer in the same network running ubuntu |
| 06:00.21 | ramspandu | It is a new system. NBut the adapter worked with other computer in the same network running ubuntu rking |
| 06:00.45 | ramspandu | rking: how to work with wicd-curses ?? |
| 06:00.50 | jagginess | rking, it's in quite a few good resources-- where you build a .deb, there's details about it |
| 06:01.21 | jagginess | ramspandu, i'm sort of waiting on the module name.. |
| 06:01.28 | rking | jagginess: OK. |
| 06:01.34 | ramspandu | jagginess: I have some problem in the internet connection |
| 06:01.47 | rking | ramspandu: aptitude install wicd-curses |
| 06:01.52 | jagginess | ramspandu, can you see the last command i typed? |
| 06:02.05 | ramspandu | jagginess: how can I find the module name? |
| 06:02.07 | rking | ramspandu: Then run it. It's a console client that I like for browsing access points. |
| 06:02.18 | ramspandu | jagginess: please give the last command again |
| 06:02.33 | jagginess | ramspandu, dmesg |grep wlan0 |
| 06:03.17 | ramspandu | jagginess: it is a 2 line out put |
| 06:03.18 | jagginess | ramspandu, also on that working machine, tell me what kernel you're using.. command is-> "uname -a<enter>" |
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| 06:03.36 | ramspandu | jagginess: 10.054497] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready [ 464.220456] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 06:04.25 | jagginess | ramspandu, ok.. i'm trying to get the module name .. might as well see from lsmod--> lsmod |
| 06:04.51 | jagginess | ramspandu, e1000 isn't your wlan0 of course.. (e1000 is your wired ethernet on that machine) |
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| 06:05.55 | jagginess | ramspandu, the module should show with lsmod.. it is in dmesg, but i'll have to look at the whole output of it.. |
| 06:06.05 | ramspandu | jagginess: here is the output of lsmod http://pastebin.com/RKejckRy |
| 06:06.34 | jagginess | ramspandu, that ubuntu machine must be using like a very recent kernel--> module is rt2870sta |
| 06:06.48 | jagginess | ramspandu, uname -a<enter> ? |
| 06:07.13 | ramspandu | jagginess: Linux SuraVara 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:07.20 | Ludvig | alright, how can I set up ESD in xfce? |
| 06:07.43 | jagginess | ramspandu, on that same working machine? it's 2.6.32 ? |
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| 06:07.56 | eptalon | heyas |
| 06:07.58 | ramspandu | jagginess: let me check.... |
| 06:08.24 | eptalon | Are there known issues with usb 3.0 and kernel image 3.2.0? |
| 06:08.26 | jagginess | ramspandu, (only do all these command i ask for, on the "working" machine-- the machine known to work with the wifi) |
| 06:08.39 | jagginess | ramspandu, (until i say to switch) |
| 06:09.03 | jagginess | eptalon, probably you should ask #kernel.. |
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| 06:09.30 | ramspandu | jagginess: it is 3.0.0-19-generic |
| 06:09.45 | jagginess | ramspandu, so 2.6 is your debian.. |
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| 06:09.56 | jagginess | ramspandu, you need to upgrade your kernel on debian.. |
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| 06:10.14 | eptalon | jagginess: I use the std. debian image, so first I assumed it would be debian-specific; an USB 3.0 disk does not show at all when connected to an USB 3.0 port |
| 06:10.15 | jagginess | ramspandu, that module is quite bleeding edge.. so that's why it works on ubuntu |
| 06:10.21 | eptalon | not even in syslog |
| 06:10.25 | ramspandu | jagginess: how can i upograde my kernel? |
| 06:10.51 | Ludvig | why isn't this package in testing? http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=libsdl+debian+esd |
| 06:10.56 | Ludvig | it's in both stable and unstable |
| 06:11.01 | Ludvig | what gives |
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| 06:11.11 | eptalon | I don't think I had that prob with kernel 2.6. (also debian image) |
| 06:11.25 | ramspandu | jagginess: will it work it on debian some way? |
| 06:11.31 | jagginess | ramspandu, it may be in backports |
| 06:11.32 | jagginess | !bpo |
| 06:11.32 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 06:11.58 | jagginess | ramspandu, after adding backports, maybe there's a 3.x kerel already available.. if not then that means a long process with make-kpkg |
| 06:12.34 | jagginess | ramspandu, it will work in debian, but you need a newer kernel.. |
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| 06:13.25 | ramspandu | jagginess: I have added backports repository to my sources.list. Hoe can I upgrade my kernel? |
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| 06:14.56 | jagginess | ramspandu, apt-get update? apt-cache search linux-image? |
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| 06:17.11 | ramspandu | jagginess: http://pastebin.com/gyMKTBDb is the output of apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 06:18.39 | jagginess | ramspandu, apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
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| 06:20.21 | jagginess | ramspandu, if you want to upgrade in the future the kernel, it's--> apt-get install linux-image-686-pae |
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| 06:20.30 | jagginess | "linux-image-686-pae - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)" |
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| 06:20.57 | jagginess | (if you typed that instead is ok) |
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| 06:25.29 | Ludvig | I installed esd but typing '/usr/bin/esd' does nothing |
| 06:25.40 | Ludvig | esd doesn't show up in ps x |
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| 06:26.24 | Ludvig | this used to be done by start-stop-daemon |
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| 06:37.39 | ddalton | could someone please tell me how i can disabled gnome-shell and make gnome-fallback the default? |
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| 06:44.33 | ramspandu | jagginess: it worked:-). Thank you |
| 06:45.37 | jagginess | np |
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| 06:48.09 | at0m | hi, running a couple debian machines on this intranet, all same arch, same debian version and similar apps. would it make sense to create some local cache? if so, how? tried /var/cache/apt/archives on nfs, but the lock file doesnt like that. anyone have a better solution? |
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| 06:52.13 | Tux | at0m, you want a local apt mirror |
| 06:52.32 | babilen | !tell at0m -about apt-cacher-ng |
| 06:52.44 | at0m | thanks both :) |
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| 06:53.20 | babilen | at0m: Also look into the squid caching approach (if you already use squid) and approx. |
| 06:54.28 | at0m | babilen: yes, one of the boxes runs squid. will look into these solutions. |
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| 06:56.07 | jadew | any idea if dnsmasq has an option to report 127.0.0.1 as something else? it used to read the hosts files and report the lan IP for queries regarding one of the hosts that were assigned to 127.0.0.1, so it was returning 192.168.1.1. After a dist-upgrade it returns 127.0.0.1 |
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| 06:57.07 | jadew | basically if I say ping server, from a client machine, it receives 127.0.0.1 as the ip, instead of 192.168.1.1 |
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| 06:58.50 | codekK | Someone know some xmpp server or other free protocol that implements Multi Voice Chat ??? |
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| 06:59.17 | babilen | codekK: mumble comes to mind |
| 06:59.55 | codekK | babilen, but implements Multi voice ? |
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| 07:01.25 | codekK | babilen, and is only for voice? o can chat too? |
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| 07:02.09 | babilen | codekK: What do you mean by "multi voice" exactly? |
| 07:02.40 | codekK | More than 2 users talking with voice |
| 07:02.57 | babilen | Yes, that is exactly what mumble is for. |
| 07:03.10 | codekK | i just installed ejabberd server (xmpp protocol) and its implement a Multi user chat (but only for chat, writing) and i want multi user for voice too |
| 07:03.24 | babilen | codekK: google -> "mumble" + Search → http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ + Read |
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| 07:03.28 | codekK | yeah |
| 07:03.33 | codekK | im reading it and wiki |
| 07:04.00 | codekK | babilen, but i dont see if can chat (writing) too |
| 07:04.22 | babilen | You can probably run voice chat on XMPP as well, but I am not familiar with that setup and am not sure if it supported voice chats between multiple parties. |
| 07:04.43 | babilen | You can write in mumble as well |
| 07:04.59 | codekK | babilen, ejabberd server (xmpp) supports voice chat |
| 07:05.02 | codekK | but only 1on1 |
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| 07:06.13 | codekK | babilen, thank u for info of mumble |
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| 07:25.57 | kardan | greetings! i ran into some APT problem. hopefully somebody can help. but I do not know if this is debian specific. |
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| 07:26.33 | kardan | i get the uncomfortable message "interruption by PkgProblemResolver" - "could be because of held packages" |
| 07:27.27 | kardan | is there any chance to solve this? i am unable to do a web research as my session manager broke :/ |
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| 07:29.47 | z0rr1 | someone can help me with sound? |
| 07:29.52 | z0rr1 | because i fucked it :/ |
| 07:29.59 | z0rr1 | now i have 'no sound cards' |
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| 07:30.06 | z0rr1 | but worked before uninstall oss4 |
| 07:30.14 | z0rr1 | where i got a lot problems with normal clear sound |
| 07:31.37 | z0rr1 | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) |
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| 07:33.42 | kardan | i found that apt-file complains about missing AptPkt/AptPkg.so and reinstalled libapt-pkg-perl. by that dpkg complained about wrong version entries and other unfine stuff |
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| 07:36.23 | kardan | List/MoreUtils was also missing. at least apt-file is working again. |
| 07:36.29 | mcored | hey guys http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/ do i have to download 53 CDs to install Debian? |
| 07:37.15 | Blackshirt | Mcored, i think you don't need |
| 07:37.43 | mcored | i was looking for one torrent file which is the complete ISO |
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| 07:38.47 | Blackshirt | Mcored, you just need first cd, that installer for debian |
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| 07:39.06 | Blackshirt | And you get rest from internet |
| 07:39.07 | mcored | what are the others if u dont mind me asking |
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| 07:41.16 | Blackshirt | Mcored, if you want full containing repository,you can download dvd'version |
| 07:41.27 | mcored | thats what i am looking for Blackshirt thanks |
| 07:41.54 | mcored | found http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-dvd/ cheers |
| 07:42.11 | Blackshirt | Congrats |
| 07:43.56 | Blackshirt | But, one notice, download all of them was very big in size |
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| 07:45.09 | z0rr1 | someone can help me with sound? |
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| 07:45.26 | z0rr1 | it is very silent on 100% volume and bad quality |
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| 07:45.48 | krababbel_ | bad contact? |
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| 07:46.50 | kardan | gnome-system-tools depends on libpolkit-gtk which is not installable |
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| 07:59.44 | kardan | does anybody have an idea for my apt problem. it went completely cray reporting screens of "package not installable". i have no idea to get rid of that |
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| 08:10.10 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I set two different addresses within same subnet with same gateway on two different NICs? (eth0 and eth1) |
| 08:10.35 | cvr | what graphics card / driver combo gives the best experience with gnome-shell? |
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| 08:12.21 | babilen | hid3: See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and "/msg dpkg interfaces" |
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| 08:13.38 | hid3 | thanks babilen |
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| 08:17.28 | z0ro1 | i can't get working ALC892 on debian wheezy, please help :(, if there is sound then is very bad quality and silent ;/ |
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| 08:20.14 | at0m | z0ro1: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting |
| 08:20.45 | z0ro1 | it dont load ;( |
| 08:20.59 | z0ro1 | ok loader |
| 08:21.01 | z0ro1 | loaded |
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| 08:23.07 | z0ro1 | speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav |
| 08:23.13 | z0ro1 | there is good on front left/right |
| 08:23.15 | z0ro1 | at0m: |
| 08:23.27 | at0m | z0ro1: that wiki has all sorts of information on getting your "sound" to work. when alsa works, find out what other layers your machine is using: pulseaudio, OSS, ... and troubleshoot these. |
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| 08:25.34 | z0ro1 | i have pulseaudio |
| 08:25.39 | z0ro1 | i dunno, just wanna get it working |
| 08:25.43 | z0ro1 | and i try few days |
| 08:25.46 | z0ro1 | lost so many hours |
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| 08:27.47 | ompaul | z0ro1: in a terminal type alsamixer and see if anything is muted |
| 08:29.04 | z0ro1 | i have sound but |
| 08:29.11 | z0ro1 | very bad quality and silent |
| 08:29.27 | z0ro1 | on alsamixer |
| 08:29.28 | z0ro1 | and [all] |
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| 08:29.33 | z0ro1 | i have master and caputer |
| 08:29.36 | z0ro1 | capture |
| 08:29.39 | z0ro1 | only |
| 08:29.45 | ompaul | check for another card |
| 08:31.38 | z0ro1 | i dont have |
| 08:31.41 | z0ro1 | only this one |
| 08:31.45 | z0ro1 | on windows work great |
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| 08:34.08 | z0ro1 | reboot |
| 08:34.12 | at0m | z0ro1: if alsa works ok, it must be pulseaudio |
| 08:34.16 | at0m | no need to reboot |
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| 08:35.10 | ompaul | the world does not work the way you want, you must adapt to reality or be crushed / frustrated - bend like a blade of grass in the wind :) |
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| 08:36.43 | z0ro1 | i have no idea what i can do with this sound |
| 08:36.50 | z0ro1 | i tryed so many ways |
| 08:36.54 | z0ro1 | for get it working |
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| 08:37.04 | z0ro1 | and i hear sound like from radio for 1euro |
| 08:37.11 | z0ro1 | or worst |
| 08:37.34 | at0m | z0ro1: does alsa work? do you *need* pulseaudio? |
| 08:37.39 | z0ro1 | dunno |
| 08:37.46 | at0m | then you probably dont |
| 08:37.54 | z0ro1 | how can i remove it? |
| 08:38.02 | z0ro1 | apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio just? |
| 08:38.18 | z0ro1 | i dont used debian on desktop before :( |
| 08:38.19 | ompaul | z0ro1: pulseaudio being turned right down is most likely the cause of it lower volume |
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| 08:38.40 | at0m | z0ro1: or for now just disable the pulseaudio from /etc/default/pulsesomething |
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| 08:39.45 | z0ro1 | root:/etc/default# ls -la | grep -i pulse |
| 08:39.45 | z0ro1 | root:/etc/default# |
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| 08:40.50 | z0ro1 | now is volume up but still too silent on 100% |
| 08:40.56 | z0ro1 | and still noises :( |
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| 08:42.07 | z0ro1 | reboot |
| 08:42.13 | z0ro1 | maybewill kelp |
| 08:42.16 | z0ro1 | help |
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| 08:44.53 | z0ro1 | still same |
| 08:45.39 | Posterdati | hi |
| 08:46.16 | Posterdati | please I need help on kfreebsd running on virtualbox: X isn't working (kernel 9.0.1) |
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| 08:48.44 | dizzylizzy | Posterdati, you want to connect to irc.debian.org and join #debian-kbsd |
| 08:48.46 | ompaul | z0ro1 reboots are not the way to fix things in debian ... |
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| 08:50.22 | ompaul | z0ro1: you had sound when you ran the test? |
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| 08:52.26 | ompaul | z0ro1: you said <z0ro1> there is good on front left/right << can I assume you had a sound there? |
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| 08:54.00 | ompaul | z0ro1: so therefore sound works, it might be reasonable at this point to consider that it is something to do with the mixer |
| 08:55.41 | at0m | ompaul: yea his alsa seems ok |
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| 08:55.55 | at0m | i'd just ditch the PA |
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| 09:08.12 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.04 | krababbel | at0m: looks more like a ground short to me, or a damaged DAC |
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| 09:10.27 | krababbel | z0ro1: check cables and connectors for shorts |
| 09:10.45 | _ramok | i would like to search for all words in files that have the word "lettr" in it... i tried it with this command grep -rHln "lettr*" * is this correct? |
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| 09:15.08 | themill | _ramok: getting rid of your first * would be better (* in a regex doesn't do what you think it does; see regex(7)) |
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| 09:16.41 | bravvve | any one |
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| 09:16.58 | ompaul | bravvve: I answered you on oftc |
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| 09:17.09 | ompaul | then I noticed you were in two places |
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| 09:18.47 | at0m | z0ro1, krababbel: aplay worked ok iiuc? |
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| 09:27.40 | at0m | bravvve: ompaul's answer didnt do it? or you like asking the same again? |
| 09:27.59 | ompaul | at0m: I got ignored |
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| 09:28.26 | ompaul | so two can play at that game |
| 09:28.37 | at0m | sounds fun |
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| 09:30.57 | ompaul | it's great :) |
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| 09:38.14 | chomwitt | hi. in testing installer says that 2 firmware (wifi card stuff) files missing and that could be given from a usb. i connect a usb with the file but nothing happens. |
| 09:38.46 | babilen | !tell chomwitt -about installer firmware |
| 09:39.03 | babilen | chomwitt: Can you reproduce that with the stable installer? |
| 09:39.06 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.17 | chomwitt | babilen: i'll try |
| 09:39.24 | ompaul | at0m: care to reply ;-) |
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| 09:39.50 | Nik05 | chomwitt put it on a usb in the same dirs as asked by installer |
| 09:39.58 | lbracher | Hi friends! Anybody got problems with enabling Apache's mod_rewrite in Debian Wheezy alpha? a2dismod tells me it`s installed, but in fact it doesn`t works... any idea? |
| 09:41.20 | chomwitt | Nik05: mm..that maybe i didnt do.. |
| 09:42.10 | Nik05 | the installer ask something like /tison/tison.foo i dont know, only had this once |
| 09:42.11 | chomwitt | Nik05: although one of the two files requested is in no subdir. |
| 09:42.27 | at0m | ompaul: repost at :51? :D |
| 09:42.37 | Nik05 | which files is it asking for? |
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| 09:42.45 | ompaul | at0m: maybe not |
| 09:42.46 | chomwitt | Nik05: should i reproduce in the usb the dir structure in the deb poackages? |
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| 09:42.59 | Nik05 | no |
| 09:43.19 | chomwitt | Nik05: rt2561s.bin rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw |
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| 09:43.50 | Nik05 | well i think you should put that on usb |
| 09:44.00 | chomwitt | Nik05: ? |
| 09:44.14 | Nik05 | so /rt2561s.bin and /rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw |
| 09:44.23 | chomwitt | Nik05: i put both on usb with no sign of progress from the installer |
| 09:44.35 | chomwitt | Nik05: ok |
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| 09:44.39 | Nik05 | is your usb mounted? |
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| 09:44.59 | chomwitt | Nik05: i'm in the installer.. how could i know or do that? |
| 09:45.14 | Nik05 | alt F4 |
| 09:45.22 | Nik05 | but check link babilen gave you |
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| 09:45.28 | chomwitt | Nik05: cool |
| 09:46.11 | babilen | chomwitt: Have you read the installation guide entry already? Please try with the actual firmware packages |
| 09:46.32 | chomwitt | babilen: i noticed that dpkg bot has a dead link-- http://deb.li/3t |
| 09:46.43 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.46 | chomwitt | babilen: i'll check also the guide. thanks |
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| 09:47.21 | sample | ciao |
| 09:47.24 | sample | !lista |
| 09:47.30 | ompaul | !it |
| 09:47.30 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:47.39 | ompaul | !list |
| 09:47.40 | dpkg | ompaul: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di piĂ¹. |
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| 09:48.28 | bravvve | any one |
| 09:49.24 | boudiccas | bravvve: you've already been answered but chose to ignore the answer |
| 09:49.36 | boudiccas | bravvve: so stop trolling |
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| 09:51.28 | bravvve | answered,where |
| 09:51.49 | boudiccas | bravvve: read the scroll back |
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| 09:53.36 | bravvve | ok sory |
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| 10:02.12 | bravvve | <ompaul>sory |
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| 10:02.50 | ompaul | bravvve: I'm almost about to leave, my questions were: Perhaps you should describe your machine to lan to vpn conversation like wlan0 -> dhcpserver <-type of tunnel-> destination and you could pastebin your route information |
| 10:03.19 | ompaul | anything else that is special to your configuration |
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| 10:03.45 | Posterdati | dizzylizzy: thanks |
| 10:04.14 | bravvve | i 'v pasted bin my intefaces file and /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf |
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| 10:05.38 | ompaul | bravvve: well done for ignoring my request I'll do you a favour and /ignore you sorry bud, but if you won't answer questions I am not here to drag out teeth, the game is I ask after you say something, I try to deduce what you broke or didn't configure, |
| 10:06.10 | valerie_ | I accidently erased all directories in /home. Is there a way of restoring it? |
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| 10:07.12 | ecolitan | valerie: do you have a backup? |
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| 10:07.42 | ompaul | valerie_: you stand a slim chance, don't write anything to the disk and a package called test disk may help you |
| 10:07.44 | tgs3 | hi, on debian stable I use postfix + dovecot for MTA. How to set it so when my server's user alice@foo.com receives an email it is automatically forwarded (re-sent by server) to alice@gmail.com ? in a way that really should just work simply |
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| 10:08.16 | Nik05 | .forward? :P |
| 10:08.23 | ompaul | tgs3: you can use an alias file in /etc/ or you can put a .forward in home directory |
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| 10:09.01 | tgs3 | ompaul alice does not have a home, it is only an email account, not unix account. Will the /etc/ alias work then? |
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| 10:09.18 | Nik05 | then make an ailias |
| 10:09.25 | ompaul | tgs3: well it should do I use it all the time |
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| 10:10.11 | valerie_ | ecolitan, I did install BackupPc few days ago, but never learned how to use it yet. |
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| 10:12.04 | tgs3 | ompaul: which file you use for aliases? Nik05 ? |
| 10:12.05 | tgs3 | because /etc/aliases |
| 10:12.14 | tgs3 | seems to be just for /local/ aliases... |
| 10:12.26 | ecolitan | valerie_: did you delete the files on the cli, or in some kind of GUI ? sometimes GUIs shift things to a trash folder |
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| 10:12.36 | tgs3 | maybe /etc/email-addresses |
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| 10:13.29 | ompaul | tgs3: let me get a sample and you can copy it |
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| 10:15.11 | valerie_ | ecolitan, I was "learning" how to use little script programs and ran one of them called 'trash' in terminal as a root while being in /home directory |
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| 10:15.35 | bravvve | i have some laptop with wifi ,am connected to internet over router ,so i wan to share the internet connection with some othere machines,but i wan to be protected over the internet using openvpn network,i found some free server http://crunchbanglinux-fr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=734,i v installed the openvpn client and all going right with eth0,but with the wlan0 i still get the my original ip addresse |
| 10:15.38 | ompaul | tgs3: I appear to have lost an image of a machine I had on the internet ... |
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| 10:16.00 | ompaul | tgs3: the machine is long gone but let me see if I can find it |
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| 10:16.40 | ecolitan | valerie_: if you dont have a backup, you've probably lost the files for good. |
| 10:17.16 | ompaul | tgs3: I had something a lot simpler ... can't remember but there you go http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bsd-postfix-forward-email-to-another-account/ |
| 10:17.45 | valerie_ | ecolitan, I do have BackupPC program installed, but I do not know how to use it |
| 10:17.51 | tgs3 | ompaul: will it forward EMAIL accounts created ONLY in my email server (dovecot/postfix), into normal accounts like gmail? not local accounts |
| 10:18.15 | Silent | Guys, I'm runnign "Xorg -xonfigure" |
| 10:18.16 | Silent | And it says teh the number of detected screens does not patch the number of detected devices. What does that mean? |
| 10:18.34 | ompaul | tgs3: I googled it, it appears to look at it and work it ou |
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| 10:18.36 | ompaul | t |
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| 10:19.34 | ecolitan | valerie_: did you already make a backup using it? |
| 10:20.08 | Silent | DOes anyone at least have a clue? |
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| 10:22.21 | ompaul | bravvve: how this will work, 1) your local machine wan0 ->>>> local router to internet 2) your local machine will create a tun0 which is the openvpn and it gets typically a 10. address talks to the far end server ignoring the firewall on ONE side only. The best way to get this to work is to read the guide on the OpenVPN site, http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html IT never fails |
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| 10:23.03 | ompaul | bravvve: IF there are two firewalls involved one of them needs to open up to allow the vpn connect, |
| 10:24.19 | chomwitt | babilen: deb packages with the firmware i wanted just transefer in the usb top dir worked. thanks |
| 10:24.51 | valerie_ | I did not use it after it was installed. I only started to read about it it yesterday and changed smb to rcync in Xfer . From what I understand the program backups localhost periodically . Are you familiar with it? |
| 10:25.00 | bravvve | ompaul: |
| 10:25.04 | bravvve | ompaul:ok |
| 10:25.19 | ompaul | Silent: the internet suggests you are not configured right http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=64282 |
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| 10:25.57 | ompaul | Silent: in the beginning your video should work, after that you work on it to kill it? ;-) |
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| 10:27.34 | Silent | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.38 | Silent | So I need a custom Xorg |
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| 10:28.14 | bravvve | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 10:33.54 | valerie_ | ecolitan, from what I see in LOG file in BackupPC, localhost was backed up periodically, but I do not know how to use this program to restore directories. Are you familiar with BackupPC/ |
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| 10:35.03 | lbracher | Hi friends! Anybody got problems with enabling Apache's mod_rewrite in Debian Wheezy alpha? a2dismod tells me it`s installed, but in fact it doesn`t works... any idea? |
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| 10:36.48 | ecolitan | valerie_: yes, have you ever used the web interface for your backuppc installation? |
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| 10:39.17 | ksk | lbracher: setup an phpinfo page, see if theres "mod_rewrite" and youre fine |
| 10:39.27 | ksk | supply a useful error-message(nopaste!) instead... |
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| 10:39.53 | ksk | anyways, debian not-stable is not topic here, you better see #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 10:40.08 | valerie_ | ecolitan, I installed using Synaptic or maybe terminal, but I use web browser to login to it |
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| 10:41.55 | lbracher | ksk: ok! anyway mod_rewrite is loaded, and I set LogLevel to notice and I didn't get any useful message... |
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| 10:44.12 | ecolitan | valerie_: in the web interface of backuppc, you are able to browse the backups of localhost, and restore selected files |
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| 10:44.32 | dokma | how to tell a hardlink from an ordinary file? |
| 10:44.54 | ecolitan | dokma: look at the inode count |
| 10:46.51 | dokma | ecolitan: how do I do that for a single file? |
| 10:47.04 | ecolitan | ls -la file |
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| 10:47.20 | Sevet | stat file |
| 10:47.30 | Sevet | Links will be > 1 if hardlinked |
| 10:47.47 | valerie_ | ecolitan, do I do it in Backup Summary, where it says to click on the backup number to browse and restore files? |
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| 10:49.11 | dokma | ecolitan, Sevet: thanks a bunch |
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| 10:49.44 | chomwitt | my installer in testing cant install busybox! in console 4 i see errors like : unable to fetch some archives, failed to fetch cdrom .. |
| 10:49.56 | dokma | when deleting a multiply hardlinked file does it get removed when the last hardlink is removed? |
| 10:51.27 | tvm | yes |
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| 10:52.34 | xand | dokma: any file can have 1+ hardlinks to it, they're all equal in status |
| 10:52.41 | themill | dokma: there's not really a distinction between the "hardlink" and the "ordinary file". All files are deleted when their link count goes to 0. |
| 10:52.58 | dokma | I see |
| 10:53.01 | valerie_ | ecolitan, when I click on backup number, which is 0, it gives me backup for today. How can I choose a different number/day? |
| 10:53.08 | ecolitan | valerie_: yes, browse to the files you want to restore, select them, then click Restore selcted files |
| 10:53.42 | ecolitan | valerie_: there is a dropdown: Select the backup you wish to view: |
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| 10:57.17 | valerie_ | ecolitan, at 'backup browse for localhost' , under 'select select backup to view' the dropdown gives me only on echoice #o and today'd date |
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| 10:57.54 | swombat | I'm running debian squeeze inside a KVM - is there a package I can apt-get to get the kernel module "cn" added in? Or does this require a custom compiled kernel? |
| 10:59.38 | themill | swombat: you should already have that module in any debian kernel package |
| 10:59.50 | valerie_ | ecolitan, thanks, I have to leave |
| 11:01.00 | swombat | themill: is there any way i can check? |
| 11:01.11 | themill | "modinfo cn" |
| 11:01.32 | swombat | yep. looks like it's there. Thanks! |
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| 11:09.34 | Silent | Guys |
| 11:09.48 | Silent | How do I output info about the current Xorg config? |
| 11:09.58 | Silent | I remember there was a command, but I forgot it |
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| 11:14.54 | babilen | Silent: What do you really want to know? |
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| 11:16.10 | Silent | I'm trying to get as much info as possible |
| 11:16.17 | Silent | Ex, number of displays/screens |
| 11:16.24 | Silent | To make my own xorg.conf |
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| 11:19.55 | babilen | Silent: What do you need your xorg.conf for? You can check your Xorg logs, the output of xdpyinfo and glxinfo for example. |
| 11:20.09 | Silent | A multiseat station |
| 11:20.16 | Silent | With LTSP |
| 11:21.09 | babilen | I am not aware of a method to "dump" the currently used (autoconfigured) xorg configuration, which doesn't necessarily mean that it is not possible though. |
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| 11:22.15 | babilen | Silent: You probably know that having a complete xorg.conf is typically not needed anymore and that it is recommended to merely override specific sections in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, don't you? ("/msg dpkg xorg.conf", "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d") -- No idea how that related to your ltsp multiseat configuration. |
| 11:22.28 | themill | Silent: are you looking for "X -configure"? that's not quite the "current config" but is close. |
| 11:22.30 | Silent | I do |
| 11:22.34 | Silent | No no |
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| 11:22.48 | Silent | I need to output info about screens and displays to the terminal window |
| 11:22.55 | Silent | I beleive it has something to do with GLX |
| 11:23.04 | stew | g0dfrey: xrandr ; xdpyinfo |
| 11:23.05 | babilen | "xrandr -q" maybe? |
| 11:23.08 | stew | Silent: ^ |
| 11:23.14 | Silent | Prpbably |
| 11:23.15 | Silent | Let me try |
| 11:23.26 | g0dfrey | stew: ?? |
| 11:23.41 | stew | g0dfrey: no idea where your name came from there, that was meant for Silent, sorry) |
| 11:23.42 | g0dfrey | stew: what's that? |
| 11:24.15 | stew | Silent does need an xorg.conf, he's trying to get multiple screens configured because he is trying to get multi-seat working |
| 11:24.52 | babilen | "g" is next to "f" on what I presume is stew's keymap and g0dfrey is the first autocompleted nick. (hence typo) |
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| 11:28.10 | Silent | Oh I see |
| 11:28.27 | Silent | I have both displays as Screen 0 |
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| 11:29.18 | Silent | How can I make them be Screen 0 and Screen 1? |
| 11:29.36 | stew | Silent: by adding more than one serverlayout section to xorg.conf |
| 11:29.48 | Silent | I see |
| 11:29.49 | stew | Silent: istr you had an example |
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| 11:30.01 | Silent | Is there a guide on the subject? |
| 11:30.46 | stew | < Silent> Guys, please take a look at this. http://wpkg.org/Configuring_multiseat_X_workstation |
| 11:30.59 | stew | Silent: ^^^ there is a guide some dude posted this weekend |
| 11:31.12 | Silent | Thanks stew :) |
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| 11:32.09 | stew | Silent: "X -configure" will get you a starting xorg.conf, then add a second 'Section "ServerLayout"' to it |
| 11:32.26 | Silent | It fails |
| 11:32.40 | stew | Silent: with what error? |
| 11:33.00 | Silent | "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed" |
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| 11:34.13 | stew | Silent: which driver are you using? |
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| 11:34.28 | Silent | I'm not sure. How can I find out? |
| 11:34.45 | stew | Silent: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:37.28 | Silent | Hmm |
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| 11:40.34 | Silent | http://pastebin.com/vspU7rnL |
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| 11:45.57 | babilen | Silent: Please ask in #ubuntu for help from now on as we only support Debian in #debian. Thank you. |
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| 11:47.00 | tgs3 | ompaul: hm on my setup we use mysql database. it turns out it was very easy, since there was a ready to use facility for this, just insert redirect definitions to table and done. |
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| 11:48.42 | thewanderer1 | I've launched mplayer with playlist read from stdin. I want to switch to the next item in the playlist now, but the manpage didn't help me... |
| 11:49.05 | thewanderer1 | I press > and it is just echoed for a while, then gets replaced by the mplayer's pseudo-curses interface |
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| 11:49.26 | thewanderer1 | so I basically have no means of switching to the next track O.o |
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| 11:50.12 | thewanderer1 | well, I'm unable to do *anything* with the playback. pause, seek, aren't working. |
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| 12:31.22 | da78 | Mahlzeit! |
| 12:32.14 | da78 | Hat jemand einen Tipp um den fglrx Treiber (12-6) zum Laufen zu bringen? |
| 12:32.24 | ompaul | !de |
| 12:32.24 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 12:32.44 | da78 | mea culpa! |
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| 12:33.21 | da78 | Hi, may be someone can give me a hint to get fglrx (12.6) working. |
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| 12:33.29 | ompaul | !Ati |
| 12:33.29 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 12:33.41 | darkknightcz | hi, how to get firmwares iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode and iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode ? |
| 12:34.00 | ompaul | da78: use /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 12:34.44 | da78 | ompaul: thanks but the point is I'm look for other debian testing user with the fglrx problem. |
| 12:35.09 | da78 | At the moment fglrx (12.6) is only in sid. ;-) |
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| 12:35.55 | ompaul | it will fall from the sky in 10 days if it is found not to be dead and broken I guess |
| 12:36.05 | ompaul | 10 days from when it was brought in |
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| 12:38.31 | abrotman | darkknightcz: did you try the firmware-iwlwifi pcakage? |
| 12:38.59 | Ezim | hi... when I login my choosen language is not saved... |
| 12:39.23 | Ezim | it notice me about permission during login etc |
| 12:39.28 | Ezim | .drmc something |
| 12:39.39 | darkknightcz | abrotman: i have this dialog window in install (since it gives me error while configuring apt, im trying everything :) ) |
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| 12:40.14 | abrotman | darkknightcz: you can ignore it for now .. install it later |
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| 12:44.40 | darkknightcz | abrotman: ok then :) thanks |
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| 12:47.24 | darkknightcz | by the way, trim is already activated? |
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| 13:03.37 | darkknightcz | abrotman: firmware installed, wifi card is not visible |
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| 13:03.56 | abrotman | darkknightcz: did you reload the driver? |
| 13:04.26 | darkknightcz | yes, restarted whole os |
| 13:05.24 | darkknightcz | iwlwifi from dmesg |
| 13:05.34 | darkknightcz | request for firmware file iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode failed |
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| 13:07.13 | abrotman | darkknightcz: you may need the firmware from backports.debian.org |
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| 13:07.28 | primeras | hi all. Sorry my English isn't very well. I want list installed font on Debian/Ubuntu |
| 13:07.29 | primeras | xlsfont or fc-list |
| 13:07.30 | primeras | ? |
| 13:07.30 | darkknightcz | trying installing firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 13:07.59 | bardzusny | this file is not there, this file is nowhere (apt-file doesn't find it) |
| 13:08.07 | bardzusny | darkknightcz: ^ |
| 13:08.58 | DotHack | bardzusny: also you need nonfree repository in apt sources |
| 13:09.14 | darkknightcz | bardzusny: so, how do i get that file? |
| 13:09.14 | bardzusny | I have it, no worries |
| 13:09.28 | bardzusny | I'll update apt-file db to be sure |
| 13:09.30 | bardzusny | hmm, google? |
| 13:09.42 | bardzusny | /lib/firmware/ is place for it |
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| 13:09.54 | nkuttler | !tell primeras about search |
| 13:10.15 | darkknightcz | google isnt helping... |
| 13:10.35 | nkuttler | !tell darkknightcz about non-free |
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| 13:10.49 | nkuttler | !tell darkknightcz about non-free sources |
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| 13:11.12 | darkknightcz | oh, sources are missing :) |
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| 13:11.24 | themill | I don't believe that file is in the debian packages anywhere |
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| 13:11.37 | themill | darkknightcz: what card/driver is requiring that firmware? |
| 13:11.37 | bardzusny | themill: I confirm that, apt-file on sid can't find it |
| 13:11.50 | bardzusny | this sounds like newish intel goodness |
| 13:12.12 | bardzusny | http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads |
| 13:12.39 | themill | bardzusny: so you've downloaded the driver from there? or is it from a debian kernel? |
| 13:12.43 | kon14 | hey guys i've got a problem with my login manager (slim) ... it keeps restarting after i input my username and pass ... has anyone ever experienced anything like this ? |
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| 13:12.49 | darkknightcz | themill: WiFi Intel 1000 BGNÂ |
| 13:12.55 | darkknightcz | thats all i know :) |
| 13:13.07 | bardzusny | themill: I don't own this card |
| 13:13.08 | themill | bardzusny: sorry, ENICK |
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| 13:13.23 | ompaul | kon14: is it offering any kind of message |
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| 13:14.08 | kon14 | nope, it justs turns to command line login screen (for just a sec) and then it comes back |
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| 13:14.19 | kon14 | asking again for username and pass ... |
| 13:14.19 | themill | darkknightcz: you could try grabbing the ucode from the link bardzusny just posted and drop it in /lib/firmware |
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| 13:14.49 | ompaul | kon14: usually in these cases a box flashes up and gives the errors |
| 13:15.14 | kon14 | well i had the same problem when i tried to replace slim with gdm3 (and gdm if i remember correctly) |
| 13:15.31 | kon14 | but there's no prob when logging from the cli |
| 13:15.56 | ompaul | kon14: make a test user see if they can get in, if not, then blame the WM |
| 13:16.08 | kon14 | it only lets me login as root ! (from the slim login) |
| 13:16.15 | darkknightcz | themill: yes, trying now :) |
| 13:16.27 | kon14 | ok i'll try |
| 13:16.36 | kon14 | (thx for your time) |
| 13:16.37 | ompaul | kon14: then dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 and replace it with gdm or some such |
| 13:16.48 | kon14 | (slim :P) |
| 13:17.28 | themill | boggles at #672429 |
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| 13:17.35 | dsdeiz_ | hi! |
| 13:17.54 | kon14 | pou se re patrida ? |
| 13:18.09 | ompaul | kon14: apt-get install xdm or something so you stand some chance and have a fall back position |
| 13:18.48 | kon14 | wait maybe if i had a look in the slim.conf ? |
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| 13:19.32 | darkknightcz | themill: works :) |
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| 13:19.41 | darkknightcz | bardzusny: thanks :) |
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| 13:19.59 | themill | darkknightcz: what's the output of "lspci -nn | grep -i net" there? |
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| 13:21.05 | darkknightcz | themill: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 [8086:0888h (rev c4) and Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCIexpress Gigabit Ethernet controller |
| 13:22.05 | darkknightcz | but iwlist scan gives me "Network is down" |
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| 13:22.14 | themill | darkknightcz: can you please report a bug for this to make sure the firmware gets included in a future upload? "reportbug firmware-iwlwifi" and include the first line of that lspci output along with the fact that downloading the firmware from the intel site solved it? (be specific about which download) |
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| 13:23.19 | darkknightcz | themill: sure, "reportbug firmware-iwlwifi" should i type here? |
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| 13:23.31 | bardzusny | darkknightcz: on your debian machine (terminal) |
| 13:23.43 | bardzusny | darkknightcz: try ifconfig wlan0 up before using iwlist scan |
| 13:23.53 | bardzusny | or just using some network manager |
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| 13:24.08 | kon14 | that's the /etc/slim.conf file |
| 13:24.09 | kon14 | http://pastebin.com/rG7QWyHJ |
| 13:24.22 | kon14 | but as it's just the slim configuration .... |
| 13:24.31 | darkknightcz | bardzusny: still down :) will try some network manager after installing gui |
| 13:24.32 | themill | darkknightcz: in terminal. You may need to "aptitude install reportbug" if you don't already have it. Be sure to answer the questions about a mailer daemon correctly -- the answer is probably "no, I don't have one" |
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| 13:26.13 | darkknightcz | themill: ok :) when gnome installs, i will report it, thanks for helping |
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| 13:30.17 | altin | did anyone configure any vpn connection of this type http://i.imgur.com/IiC6H.jpg :O ? |
| 13:30.26 | altin | I dont have a clue... |
| 13:31.00 | bardzusny | altin: ipsec tunnel? |
| 13:31.50 | altin | bardzusny, I know nothing more than whats on that paper :/ |
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| 13:32.16 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.52 | stew | altin: this is some of the information you need to setup an ipsec tunnel. I'd recommend strongswan for ipsec tunnels |
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| 13:33.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | altin: looks like IPSEC to me |
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| 13:35.12 | altin | TehRabbitt-Work, stew yes it seems like IPSec but can you provide me a link to a guide that can show me how can I do such a connection ? |
| 13:35.34 | stew | altin: /usr/share/doc/strongswan/README.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/strongswan/README.gz |
| 13:36.21 | stew | altin: you'll need to know the address of the firewall and the subnet you are connecting to |
| 13:36.32 | altin | aha ok ill check it out |
| 13:36.38 | altin | lets hope its not complicated |
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| 13:39.01 | altin | stew, whats the diference between right=hostb.example.com |
| 13:39.01 | altin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.01 | altin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.09 | altin | what should I add on those ? |
| 13:39.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | altin: http://wiki.debian.org/IPsec |
| 13:39.57 | altin | guys im filled with links :S |
| 13:40.13 | stew | altin: i don't believe you'll be specifying either leftcert or right cert |
| 13:40.15 | altin | I need examples |
| 13:40.26 | altin | u see, I didnt know this |
| 13:40.28 | altin | :p |
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| 13:40.38 | stew | altin: there are examples in /usr/share/doc/strongswan |
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| 13:42.05 | stew | altin: does the remote network need access to your network? |
| 13:42.20 | stew | altin: are you trying to get a single machine connected to this vpn, or a network of machines? |
| 13:42.30 | altin | just a single machine |
| 13:42.32 | altin | stew, |
| 13:42.49 | stew | then you are going to most likely be doing a "road warrior" config |
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| 13:47.03 | altin | stew, |
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| 13:47.16 | altin | so as I can understand (conn roadwwarrior) |
| 13:47.19 | altin | is at their server |
| 13:47.40 | altin | I need to enter conn %default and conn esys on to my server right ? |
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| 13:51.46 | kon14 | it seems like i fixed the problem |
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| 13:52.15 | kon14 | (non exactly configured) xmonad caused an error to .xinitrc |
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| 13:52.50 | kon14 | realized when tried to just execute "openbox-session" without xorg already running |
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| 13:58.10 | stew | altin: "conn whatever" is just giving the vpn connection a name you can use to bring it up and down |
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| 14:00.23 | no_gravity | Hello! The internet says to securely wipe an usbstick do "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb1" (if sdb is the stick). But isnt that missing anything except partition one on the stick? |
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| 14:01.28 | ronny | no_gravity: yes, yo clean the whole disk you need to write to the whole disk, however that usually also kills the mbr |
| 14:01.42 | ompaul | no_gravity: correct you should make that /dev/sdb you can format it later for user |
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| 14:01.45 | ronny | no_gravity: and given that usb sticks tend to be one ull size partition, that one is enough |
| 14:01.47 | ompaul | *use |
| 14:01.56 | ronny | *full |
| 14:02.05 | ompaul | ronny: but all the bad stuff is on sdb2 ;-) |
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| 14:02.22 | Dephenom | Is nginx 1.2.0, I think that is the most recent version, available in Squeeze, or do I need to upgrade to Sid, which I dont really want to do as this is a production server? |
| 14:02.24 | ronny | ompaul: if you have an unusul setup, you cant follow the usual advice |
| 14:02.25 | no_gravity | if i kill sdb, how do i recreate the mbr? i need to make it usable under windows. a windows user asked me for an usb stick. |
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| 14:02.49 | ronny | no_gravity: initialize the disk with gparted? |
| 14:02.50 | ompaul | no_gravity: they can format it when they plug it in, it will offer them that option |
| 14:03.24 | no_gravity | ronny: ok, will do that. |
| 14:03.28 | minna | Hello, what is the command to start the installation console again? I tried googling and checking docs but it's like finding a needle in a haystack! |
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| 14:05.25 | nkuttler | minna: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:05.40 | nsadmin | minna, you mean after you install? there isn't one unless you reboot the install medium, and then the intent would be to install another debian or wipe your current install |
| 14:06.10 | minna | nsadmin: im trying to get to the text based configuration tool |
| 14:06.21 | nkuttler | minna: to configure what? |
| 14:06.31 | minna | nsadmin: i thought it would be the simplest way to setup apt sources again |
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| 14:06.51 | minna | nsadmin: the server is running lenny and all mirrors i choose on install are now 301 or 404 |
| 14:07.01 | nsadmin | no, the simplest is just to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:07.09 | stew | minna: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 14:07.23 | Dephenom | minna, have you run a apt-get update, before trying to install anything? |
| 14:07.34 | minna | Dephenom: yes of course. |
| 14:07.36 | nsadmin | oh, lenny was pronounced dead in feb |
| 14:07.42 | stew | minna: lenny is no longer suported and the packages were removed from the main mirrors |
| 14:07.53 | ompaul | minna: lenny is not supported, no security fixes for months |
| 14:08.02 | minna | O_O |
| 14:08.10 | ompaul | too old |
| 14:08.15 | Dephenom | minna, just thought id check, you know what they say about simple things and the solution |
| 14:08.19 | nsadmin | Dephenom, he can't update yet, until he gets his sources pointed at the archive mirror of lenny |
| 14:08.20 | ompaul | it was announced a year before it was deaded |
| 14:08.21 | minna | debian 5.0 too old?! |
| 14:08.43 | ompaul | minna: 6 is over a year old now |
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| 14:09.04 | Dephenom | nsadmin, ahh, didnt realise that 1) he was on lenny and 2) it was dead |
| 14:09.09 | nsadmin | minna, well if it works for you keep it... but it's not supported by things like security updates, which ended in march |
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| 14:09.13 | minna | ompaul: yeah, but 4.0 hanged on for many years |
| 14:09.24 | minna | where can i check for security updates and end of life stuff? |
| 14:09.31 | ompaul | minna: then the pigs flew and things got faster# |
| 14:09.42 | nsadmin | minna, you can keep it if you want, no one's making you do otherwise |
| 14:09.54 | minna | nsadmin: no id rather do a reinstall then. |
| 14:09.55 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 14:10.20 | nsadmin | minna, then you're advised to back up your media first |
| 14:10.25 | minna | ompaul: Ok, thanks. i'll add the news flow to my rss |
| 14:10.28 | nkuttler | minna: http://www.debian.org/security/ Usually security support for oldstable stops one year after the stable relrease |
| 14:11.19 | stew | minna: you might also be interested in http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 14:11.30 | ompaul | !lenny->squeeze |
| 14:11.38 | minna | thanks you all, i need to keep a better eye on this. |
| 14:11.39 | stew | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 14:11.51 | stew | silly infobot bug |
| 14:11.56 | ompaul | !lenny -> squeeze |
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| 14:12.02 | nkuttler | !test |
| 14:12.03 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 14:12.10 | ompaul | glares at dpkg |
| 14:12.17 | stew | ompaul: no, short triggers (!) and factoids with a > are broken |
| 14:12.26 | ompaul | brilliant |
| 14:12.31 | ompaul | hugs the bot |
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| 14:12.38 | nkuttler | ugh |
| 14:12.40 | stew | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 14:12.41 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 14:12.46 | minna | Is it possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:12.55 | nkuttler | minna: sure |
| 14:13.02 | ompaul | !tell minna about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:13.12 | ompaul | minna: see the message from the bot |
| 14:13.20 | stew | minna: hte recommended way is to follow chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes. its not as simple as a dist-upgrade |
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| 14:14.06 | ompaul | missed stew getting a result |
| 14:14.13 | minna | ompaul: Thanks, but how do i fix the apt sources from the old ones? there was some talk about archives? |
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| 14:14.32 | minna | stew: I was afraid you would say that. |
| 14:14.36 | ompaul | minna: see the message from teh bot - it is all there |
| 14:14.52 | ompaul | minna: if it is the box you are on put that data in a text file before you start |
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| 14:15.59 | minna | ompaul: no it's an external system, but thanks for the tip! |
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| 14:16.44 | minna | ompaul: it's on a VPS, it may break the system if i do a dist-upgrade with the linux image too |
| 14:17.18 | wouter__ | hi all, I'm trying to install Texmaker to my debian system, trying to install with the command dpkg -i texmaker_debian_wheezy_3.3.4_i386.deb |
| 14:17.18 | wouter__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.33 | themill | minna: btw 4.0 and 5.0 had almost exactly the same supported lifespan -- if you thought 4.0 "hung on for many years", then you probably missed its end of life too... |
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| 14:18.02 | stew | wouter__: the "wheezy" part of that package name would probably indicate it is for a wheezy system, not your squeeze system |
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| 14:18.27 | stew | wouter__: you should probably get the source and recompile the package against the squeeze libraries instead |
| 14:18.32 | minna | themill: 3 years is many years in my world ;) |
| 14:18.51 | themill | minna: as I said, they had the same lifespan. |
| 14:18.51 | ompaul | minna: ahh, in that case back up, back out, create it using the vps peoples updated version |
| 14:18.58 | minna | themill: the problem is a probably installed 5.0 in a too late state |
| 14:19.15 | shopTroll | ! |
| 14:19.25 | stew | judd: versions texmater |
| 14:19.26 | judd | No package named 'texmater' was found in i386. |
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| 14:19.29 | stew | judd: versions texmaker |
| 14:19.30 | judd | Package: texmaker on i386 -- lenny: 1.7.1-2; squeeze: 1.9.9-2; wheezy: 3.3.2-1; sid: 3.3.4-1 |
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| 14:19.41 | minna | ompaul: Yeah, i'm not sure a backup is so easy with this vps software. |
| 14:19.44 | stew | wouter__: is there some reason you aren't just running "apt-get install texmaker" or something? |
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| 14:20.13 | ompaul | minna: tar cvf stuff.tar /whatever/I-want |
| 14:20.31 | ompaul | minna: download that with scp and be happy |
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| 14:21.14 | minna | ompaul: it's running ispconfig and other software, i'll see what my options are. |
| 14:22.12 | ompaul | minna: cd /var/ ; tar cvf web.tar www/ |
| 14:22.42 | minna | ompaul: that's all for ispconfig? |
| 14:22.52 | ompaul | minna: get your data before you go into orbit and nuke it grab your home |
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| 14:23.09 | minna | ompaul: Ok, ill read the docs etc |
| 14:23.12 | ompaul | minna: no, you use their tools to create a new box |
| 14:23.14 | nsadmin | minna, you do have a web site? |
| 14:23.27 | ompaul | nsadmin: better question than me :) |
| 14:23.40 | minna | ompaul: thanks for the help, ill talk to the vps guys |
| 14:23.42 | nsadmin | he probably does... |
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| 14:24.25 | stew | minna: is there anything important on this machine? |
| 14:24.34 | minna | stew: yes |
| 14:24.38 | stew | minna: then you should get a real backup plan in place |
| 14:24.57 | minna | stew: there is daily backup already, with 1 week cycle. but it's via the vps software |
| 14:25.10 | minna | stew: and that means a full system image |
| 14:25.19 | minna | and that wont do much good in case of a complete reinstall |
| 14:25.20 | wouter__ | thanks, I now tried the portable precompiled version, this seems to work |
| 14:25.21 | stew | so i'm not sure why we are bothering with tar then |
| 14:25.55 | ompaul | stew: nice to grab your own stuff |
| 14:26.09 | ompaul | stew: isp's backups are only "so good" |
| 14:26.13 | stew | minna: why wouldn't your backup be useful in case of a reinstall? |
| 14:26.22 | nsadmin | minna: you will want to back up your web files and your database. come to think of it, if you have a database-backed web site, you better check if you can get the same versions of stuff, and if not, you're advised to back up and upgrade your web site and its database before upgrading debian, so that everything that supports your database is the same version as available on squeeze... if not... welcome to hell... |
| 14:26.22 | ompaul | reinstall lenny? |
| 14:26.30 | stew | ompaul: if it is a full system image, what else would one want? |
| 14:27.11 | ompaul | stew: see what nsadmin is saying I'm offering a situation where he maybe able to create new stuff elsewhere and test it |
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| 14:27.18 | minna | reinstall with squeeze |
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| 14:27.33 | stew | no, I don't see |
| 14:27.41 | nsadmin | stew, complications can occur if he doesn't do that |
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| 14:28.00 | stew | nsadmin: like what? |
| 14:28.18 | ompaul | stew: lenny - > squueze db versions not wanting to talk to each other without a massage |
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| 14:28.23 | stew | ok? |
| 14:28.39 | nsadmin | well wait a sec... before we go there, does he have a db-backed website or not |
| 14:28.41 | stew | so EVERYTHING is already backed up. you want him to back up stuff again? I don't see the point |
| 14:28.53 | themill | stew: to be sure to be sure. |
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| 14:29.04 | themill | stew: it's ompaul's Irish roots coming out |
| 14:29.10 | nsadmin | stew, let's make sure the conversation is even valid |
| 14:29.25 | stew | 10:24 < minna> stew: there is daily backup already, with 1 week cycle. but it's via the vps software |
| 14:29.28 | stew | 10:25 < minna> stew: and that means a full system image |
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| 14:29.49 | nsadmin | nice service |
| 14:30.18 | Mogget | What audio backend does Debian use? I have to chose between gstreamer, libao and pulseaudio. |
| 14:30.38 | minna | i thought pulseaudio was/is the future default? |
| 14:30.59 | nsadmin | minna, so, is that remote a web site? |
| 14:30.59 | ompaul | themill: I can makez joke? |
| 14:31.01 | jelly | Mogget: is you're a gnome user, you're pretty much guaranteed to have gstreamer |
| 14:31.08 | jelly | ompaul: NO |
| 14:31.22 | Mogget | jelly: I have gnome installed, but am using lxde as default. |
| 14:31.56 | minna | nsadmin: yes |
| 14:32.04 | jelly | Mogget: oh, then you can use any of those if they're installed (all three are available) |
| 14:32.11 | nsadmin | ok, with a database for content and such? |
| 14:32.34 | Mogget | jelly: Thank you. |
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| 14:32.46 | nsadmin | minna, ok, with a database for content and such? |
| 14:32.47 | jelly | Mogget: I would not really recommend the pulseaudio version in debian 6.0. |
| 14:33.15 | Mogget | jelly: since you said I could use all, I left it at default which was libao. |
| 14:33.33 | minna | nsadmin: yes |
| 14:33.49 | jelly | Mogget: if you're building stuff from source, that sounds like a sane option |
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| 14:33.59 | nsadmin | ok, so you should make dumps of your databases |
| 14:34.26 | Mogget | jelly: yeah, building despotify since spotify segfaults on my squeeze installs :/ |
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| 14:35.23 | minna | nsadmin: yes i think this would be enough http://www.pcs-computing.com/support/ispconfig_backp-restore.html |
| 14:35.36 | stew | yeah, if you don't backup your database, you might have to get a backup of your database from your backups instead of having a backup of your database |
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| 14:36.10 | ompaul | stew: you really don't get it, you may want to wander back onto the box, not look for whatever way the vps people did it, and do it yourself |
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| 14:36.25 | nsadmin | as redundant as it sounds... good luck getting your service up quickly if you don't do that |
| 14:36.29 | ompaul | test it on your own box and get it 99.9% ready |
| 14:36.39 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 14:36.57 | minna | will do |
| 14:37.10 | minna | the plan is to create a new vps |
| 14:37.17 | minna | do the new install there |
| 14:37.19 | minna | transfer the files |
| 14:37.20 | ompaul | stew: you have a 10 min window to get it right - now go !!!! |
| 14:37.23 | minna | then transfer the ip |
| 14:37.23 | nsadmin | that's a good plan |
| 14:37.28 | minna | then shut down the old box |
| 14:37.50 | LordDeath | are there any plans to add this package also to the stable repos? http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/owncloud |
| 14:37.53 | ompaul | minna: then upgrade the old box to wheezy as soon as that is released and you can migrate to that |
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| 14:38.36 | stew | LordDeath: new software is never added to stable |
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| 14:38.49 | LordDeath | stew: thx for the info |
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| 14:39.19 | themill | LordDeath: that looks quite backportable (/msg dpkg ssb) but note that this is a very new package and probably hasn't had a lot of testing yet. |
| 14:39.33 | minna | ompaul: it's always safest to do a dist-upgrade as soon as new release have come out yes? the longer i wait, the more risk for problems? |
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| 14:39.52 | ompaul | minna: no, but you should be ready within a month or two to go |
| 14:40.03 | ompaul | minna: never on day one ;-) |
| 14:40.31 | nsadmin | on day one, lotsa people are upgrading |
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| 14:40.46 | ompaul | and finding out what broke |
| 14:40.58 | alfatau | hello all! i developed an application in C. I would want to release it under the GPLv3 license. What's the procedure to correctly release my sources? thank you very much for your attention |
| 14:41.02 | ompaul | or isn't a straight run |
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| 14:41.22 | themill | exactly what updates to squeeze were made in the first couple of months to help with lenny->squeeze? |
| 14:41.40 | minna | ompaul: right, day one may be last-minute bug fixes too? |
| 14:41.43 | ompaul | alfatau: if it is on a web site, allow the sources exact match for application to be available at the same time, ask in #fsf on this server tbh |
| 14:41.47 | themill | minna: not often. |
| 14:41.50 | nsadmin | the problem with lamp stuff is that php is not version-stable... are you sure you're going to be able to run your stuff if php makes incompatible changes |
| 14:42.06 | minna | themill: Ok, debian is well tested in other words |
| 14:42.20 | nsadmin | that's why I say test first before shutting down your old vm |
| 14:42.41 | alfatau | ompaul: really thank you, i'll ask there. regards! |
| 14:42.48 | ompaul | alfatau: enjoy |
| 14:43.00 | ompaul | alfatau: suggest if you are doing that gplvX and later |
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| 14:43.15 | ompaul | to allow it go forward in time but you may not wish that |
| 14:43.18 | minna | yes ill be testing first |
| 14:44.27 | nsadmin | minna, sounds good, I hope you don't have to change too much php code |
| 14:44.44 | nsadmin | or queries/transactions |
| 14:45.02 | shopTroll | \!sh |
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| 14:46.06 | minna | nsadmin: it seem to be the same php version, so should not be a problem |
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| 14:47.09 | stew | all versions of php are a problem |
| 14:47.32 | minna | stew: not a php lover? |
| 14:47.38 | stew | if you are saying that lenny and squeeze have the same php version, that is misguided |
| 14:47.47 | nsadmin | agreed, but if it's the exact same, then at least all his code should work |
| 14:48.06 | ksk | not true... |
| 14:48.09 | stew | php is so awful that it seems like it must be the long con |
| 14:48.30 | nsadmin | let's undo the misguidance right here and now |
| 14:48.32 | stew | its amazing that a project with so much popularity hasn't attracted developers with a clue |
| 14:48.34 | minna | i have used php for 10 years, had no problems whatsoever |
| 14:48.56 | nsadmin | minna, what exact php version are you using on the old box? |
| 14:49.34 | stew | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ |
| 14:49.43 | minna | nsadmin: yeah, i see it can be a problem now |
| 14:49.52 | minna | nsadmin: 5.2, and squeeze have 5.3 |
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| 14:50.20 | nsadmin | then I would recommend you make sure your code can run on both php versions |
| 14:50.39 | minna | nsadmin: i just checked that, and it can. |
| 14:50.56 | nsadmin | ok, best of luck to ya on that part |
| 14:51.05 | minna | nsadmin: thanks :) |
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| 14:52.02 | stew | i think this might be my favorite: http://use.perl.org/use.perl.org/_Aristotle/journal/33448.html |
| 14:52.53 | minna | stew: from 2007?.... really? |
| 14:53.31 | stew | minna: I think so, why? |
| 14:54.00 | nsadmin | minna, next make sure the database dump loads into the new database version |
| 14:55.22 | minna | stew: Also, the first one, is written by a python lover. python must be the worst performing "web"-language right now, even java is faster. |
| 14:56.04 | stew | this is not a gripe about performance, at all |
| 14:56.17 | minna | stew: no it's about design |
| 14:56.25 | stew | and I don't know why you would say "even java" as java has traditionally been very performant |
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| 14:57.13 | minna | stew: not in web as a server it has not. |
| 14:57.19 | stew | uh? |
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| 14:57.29 | stew | you have got to be kidding? |
| 14:57.30 | minna | stew: the strength of java is that it scales properly |
| 14:57.40 | ompaul | chats about performance could be better dealt with in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:57.54 | minna | ompaul: yeah, i'm not going to go on anyway |
| 14:57.59 | minna | it will just be a flame-war |
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| 14:58.45 | dort | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.59 | stew | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php |
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| 14:59.42 | nsadmin | stew, that url is slanted by its last four chars! |
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| 14:59.43 | bardzusny | dort: you can boot truecrypt recovery .iso by grub |
| 14:59.54 | bardzusny | that's alternative to truecrypt bootloader |
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| 15:00.41 | dort | bardzusny -- thanks, that sounds promising, I'll google |
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| 15:01.27 | dort | bardzusny, though perhaps I wasn't clear -- my windows partition is not yet encrypted |
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| 15:02.02 | bardzusny | dort: I always installed windows first, then truecrypt, then linux with grub |
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| 15:02.13 | bardzusny | then add iso where it belongs in grub and voila |
| 15:02.22 | dort | right, this is a windows install that's been there for several years |
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| 15:02.32 | dort | and I want to encrypt it after the fact |
| 15:02.51 | dort | so I'm thinking I'll just let the truecrypt bootloader have the mbr |
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| 15:03.05 | bardzusny | yes |
| 15:03.06 | bardzusny | hmm |
| 15:03.39 | superstraw | bardzusny: will truecrypt encrypt a windows partition after windows has been installed? |
| 15:03.40 | dort | I'm pretty sure it's trivial to tell grub to move to /sda8 -- I just want to make sure I get that command correct :-] |
| 15:03.46 | bardzusny | good luck with launching linux from the same disk |
| 15:03.49 | superstraw | and not hose windows? |
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| 15:04.09 | superstraw | oops i'm in the debian channel |
| 15:04.17 | bardzusny | superstraw: I did it, it does it nicely |
| 15:04.28 | superstraw | ok just checkin, might do it to the wife's laptop. |
| 15:04.28 | bardzusny | hush! |
| 15:04.31 | dort | superstraw -- I can survive it hosing windows if I have to, I just don't want it to hose my gnu/linux |
| 15:04.52 | superstraw | I used debian's default encryption doohickey |
| 15:05.05 | dort | I use luks on linux |
| 15:05.18 | dort | but I haven't encrypted anything on the windows side and I will be travelling soon |
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| 15:06.24 | bardzusny | dort: encrypt windows with truecrypt, keep recovery .iso safe, re-install grub to mbr |
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| 15:10.57 | dort | grub-install /dev/sda8 |
| 15:10.59 | dort | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition. This is a BAD idea.. |
| 15:11.00 | dort | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
| 15:11.02 | dort | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: will not proceed with blocklists. |
| 15:11.03 | dort | root@yap:~# |
| 15:11.14 | dort | hmm |
| 15:11.26 | bardzusny | dort: how do you intend to boot from this partition? |
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| 15:12.07 | dort | I was going to tell the truecrypt bootloader to boot sda8 |
| 15:12.24 | dort | gotta run away from my desk, but I'll be back -- thx bardzusny |
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| 15:13.09 | bardzusny | dort: if I pass memtest correctly, it cannot do it |
| 15:13.38 | superstraw | is it best to let grub handle it? |
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| 15:13.53 | bardzusny | dort: feel free to do your own research, but once I tried to do exactly the same thing, and booting rec. .iso seemed like only real solution |
| 15:16.40 | bardzusny | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1229541.html < among first results |
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| 15:19.47 | Ezim | how can I install swedish language package under debian? |
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| 15:21.35 | nkuttler | Ezim: for a specific app or? |
| 15:21.53 | sevenfourk | *l10n-sv* ? |
| 15:21.54 | Ezim | nkuttler, more for the system |
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| 15:22.08 | nkuttler | Ezim: like manpages? |
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| 15:22.30 | Ezim | sevenfourk, I am using zevenos, is debian based. not everything in my system is in swedish... |
| 15:22.44 | Ezim | nkuttler, gimp, k3b etc... |
| 15:22.50 | nkuttler | !based on debian |
| 15:22.51 | Ezim | I use kde btw |
| 15:22.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:22.58 | nkuttler | Ezim: apt-cache search swedish i guess |
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| 15:23.59 | Ezim | nkuttler, I wonder if it even have language support for others... |
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| 15:24.20 | abrotman | Ezim: please ask them, we support Debian in this channel |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | we can't possibly know how they've changed things |
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| 15:25.05 | Ezim | I found hunspell, kde-l10n-sv and stuff like that.. |
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| 15:25.32 | Ezim | abrotman, is it possible to add debian repos? |
| 15:25.48 | Ezim | I do not even know what it is based on |
| 15:26.30 | Ezim | stable/testing/unstable/sid |
| 15:26.33 | Ezim | :) no idea |
| 15:26.34 | stew | Ezim: sure. we have no idea how good or bad of an idea that is, you should ask people that know more about your distribution than we do |
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| 15:29.40 | Ezim | stew, thx... will do |
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| 15:41.12 | doxinho | what is the vpn install script to use with debian? |
| 15:41.28 | doxinho | pretty confused at the best way to go about installing a vpn on my dedi |
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| 15:43.57 | superman_ | !paste |
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| 15:44.28 | nkuttler | doxinho: what do you mean? |
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| 15:44.50 | doxinho | i want to build a vpn server |
| 15:44.51 | nkuttler | !tell doxinho about vpn |
| 15:44.54 | doxinho | thanks |
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| 15:47.23 | superman_ | http://paste.debian.net/172829 this is xorg.0.log i installed fglrx of sid repo in my debian testing, but don't work gui, work only textual interface.. what is wrong? |
| 15:47.54 | nkuttler | superman_: fglrx/xorg is currently broken |
| 15:48.20 | nkuttler | superman_: see also bugs.debian.org/packagename |
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| 15:50.03 | superman_ | but babilen tell me that install fglrx on sid repo and solved |
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| 15:50.57 | nkuttler | superman_: apparently not. mine segfaults as well |
| 15:51.04 | ompaul | superman_: that is not what he said, what he said is you can try. |
| 15:51.21 | nkuttler | hrm, looks like there is no report yet.. |
| 15:51.36 | ompaul | superman_: you are dealing with proprietary blobs - and that is not debian |
| 15:51.39 | babilen | superman_: I strongly recommended you to work on your radeon setup as I suspect that it does, indeed, support your 2 year old card. The only thing I said was that *if* you want to use fglrx is that you can pull a version from sid that does not suffer from #671320 |
| 15:51.41 | nkuttler | superman_: i think the only solution is to downgrade xorg |
| 15:52.10 | superman_ | but said that the repo was compatible with the graphics server. |
| 15:52.14 | nkuttler | but now with all the deps you pulled in etc.. radeon |
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| 15:52.52 | babilen | superman_: I am still not sure why you can not use the free radeon driver fwiw |
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| 15:53.05 | nkuttler | well some hardware acceleration is nice |
| 15:53.07 | superman_ | babilen you can see the pastebin? |
| 15:53.16 | nkuttler | superman_: that's fglrx |
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| 15:54.27 | superman_ | babilen http://paste.debian.net/172829 this is xorg.0.log i installed fglrx of sid repo in my debian testing, but don't work gui, work only textual interface.. what is wrong? |
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| 15:55.55 | superman_ | babilen you there? |
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| 15:56.06 | nkuttler | superman_: re-read what people told you |
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| 15:56.27 | babilen | superman_: I have no idea -- You are (at least AFAIK) the first person to try this on wheezy. Please refer to http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging -- I am convinced that it is due to the -beta version. Is this *without* your aticonfig generated xorg.conf btw? |
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| 15:57.12 | babilen | superman_: Also: I am still asking about the free radeon driver -- have you tried it *without* an xorg.conf? |
| 15:57.29 | superman_ | want to see my xorg.conf? |
| 15:57.49 | harold | are are dmesg and /var/log/dmesg different? apparently they are. I want to tail -f the stuff in dmesg (so I don't have to keep doing 'up arrow'; 'press enter'). What's the absolute path of the thing that's gotten by typing 'dmesg' straight up? |
| 15:58.32 | ompaul | superman_: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/old-xorg.conf and try that, btw that is all I will suggest |
| 15:58.36 | babilen | superman_: You shouldn't have a xorg.conf (I think I mentioned that 20 times) |
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| 16:00.39 | dddbmt | Hi guys. I know that I can name a "screen" using the -S argument. But I can't seem to find how to name each of the individual "tabs" anywhere. Anyone? |
| 16:00.58 | superman_ | because no xorg.conf? and anyway, you can set the babilen HD5650 video card with 3d enabled with the radeon driver and make sure it has low temperatures? |
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| 16:01.40 | ompaul | superman_: did you do no xorg.conf ? |
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| 16:02.03 | Diopter | dddbmt: Looking |
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| 16:02.36 | stew | dddbmt: use the "title" command |
| 16:02.43 | at0m | dddbmt: ^a :help |
| 16:02.48 | babilen | superman_: Ok. Please do two things now: First of all "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/old-xorg.conf" and " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf"" -- Show me the result of that |
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| 16:03.16 | babilen | superman_: Secondly: "rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" + reboot + paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:03.19 | stew | dddbmt: which seems to be bound to A by default |
| 16:03.21 | Diopter | dddbmt: C-a A |
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| 16:03.57 | superman_ | so they said, with no xorg radeon driver |
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| 16:05.12 | dddbmt | Diopter, stew: thank you both! |
| 16:05.30 | dddbmt | at0m, as well. |
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| 16:06.00 | superman_ | babilen for now I'm with another distro because it did not boot lìinterfaccia graphics. in practice, you're telling me to restore the old xorg.conf? (xorg.conf.original-0) |
| 16:06.13 | babilen | no |
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| 16:07.06 | babilen | superman_: I am telling you to run it *without any xorg.conf" *no* xorg.conf -- You still need *some* configuration for fglrx which is done in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- You probably want to read "/msg dpkg xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" |
| 16:07.08 | ompaul | superman_: no, no, no. THere is no xorg.conf in use |
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| 16:07.47 | babilen | superman_: I mentioned the exact commands that you have to run. I really cannot be more precise than that. You typically do not need a xorg.conf these days if that is what confuses you. |
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| 16:09.34 | superman_ | while commands? |
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| 16:10.44 | babilen | superman_: Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by "while commands". |
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| 16:11.31 | superman_ | which commands babilen |
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| 16:13.29 | babilen | superman_: Read the two posts that start with "superman_: Ok. Please do two" and "superman_: Secondly:" |
| 16:14.14 | babilen | superman_: "/lastlog babilen" should list them, they should also be in your scrollback or your logs. |
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| 16:14.26 | ompaul | superman_: babilen said you must do two things: 1) mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/old-xorg.conf 2) mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 16:14.52 | superman_ | what is mygpu? |
| 16:15.21 | ompaul | superman_: part of a command run it as it is |
| 16:15.25 | stew | superman_: an identifier, which can be basically anything |
| 16:15.26 | babilen | superman_: Nothing important. Merely a random name used to identify the device. |
| 16:15.29 | ompaul | superman_: just run exactly that |
| 16:15.36 | stew | superman_: you can change "My GPU" to "bananas" if you prefer |
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| 16:17.36 | superman_ | no bananas no :) |
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| 16:18.04 | ompaul | superman_: did you do what you were told? |
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| 16:18.13 | superman_ | and with these commands what appened |
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| 16:19.31 | babilen | superman_: You removed your (possibly broken xorg.conf) and created a xorg.conf that is more likely to work. Please restart the Xorg server with "service gdm3 restart" from tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1) |
| 16:19.37 | babilen | (or simply reboot) |
| 16:20.46 | superman_ | ok |
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| 16:21.23 | babilen | superman_: Did you run the commands? |
| 16:22.00 | superman_ | not yet .. I must go now |
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| 16:22.30 | ompaul | superman_: you just wasted a lot of peoples time and effort if you don't just restart X now |
| 16:22.37 | babilen | indeed |
| 16:22.54 | superman_ | I'll try those commands, go now .. and learn a bit 'of Italian that I was going crazy to understand you :) |
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| 16:23.14 | ompaul | superman_: don't come back |
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| 16:23.38 | superman_ | why? |
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| 16:23.48 | ompaul | if you don't restart X first |
| 16:23.48 | ompaul | service gdm3 restart |
| 16:23.48 | ompaul | just type that as root and tell us what happens |
| 16:23.57 | ompaul | to see if it is fixed |
| 16:24.42 | superman_ | i try later |
| 16:24.49 | superman_ | now i go out |
| 16:24.54 | babilen | superman_: We spent quite some time to help you. I would personally very much like to know if it helped or not. Otherwise I am disappointed. |
| 16:27.07 | superman_ | babilen but I'm grateful that you helped me, but I can now use those commands as they are with another distro, debian does not start for the problems I explained .. so how do I give the commands from here? I should write them down and then give them to the terminal |
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| 16:28.36 | nsadmin | bots are so automatic... |
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| 16:28.57 | ompaul | nsadmin: did I paste anything? |
| 16:29.30 | ompaul | I'll take that as a no |
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| 16:29.58 | nsadmin | it was from before, I saw 4 lines close together, but I didn't see at the time so can't tell if the bot misinterpreted its rule |
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| 16:30.22 | nsadmin | none of it was pasted |
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| 16:50.13 | chipotle | i want to install php5.2, not the default php 5.3.x - how do i do that with aptitude? |
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| 16:52.08 | Devastator | chipotle check in packages.debian.org if php5.2 is available for your debian version then aptitude install <package name> |
| 16:52.16 | themill | chipotle: the better plan is to fix the php you're trying to run; it's not a viable option to run php 5.2 any more. |
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| 16:52.39 | chipotle | themill: i am, but i need it on a VM to get the content off the server |
| 16:52.45 | chipotle | someone updated our server to 5.3, which broke one app |
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| 16:53.11 | mjt | heh. "someone" |
| 16:53.16 | chipotle | wasn't me ;) |
| 16:53.17 | nkuttler | heh. php. |
| 16:53.20 | chipotle | i just started here |
| 16:53.27 | themill | getting the content off shouldn't require a working php |
| 16:53.45 | mjt | and yes, fixing the app is the way to go. |
| 16:53.54 | nkuttler | chipotle: so the vm was upgraded without proper backups? |
| 16:54.01 | chipotle | themill: just access to the db? it would probably be much easier to set it up in a VM and copy/paste the info pages and a few files over |
| 16:54.08 | chipotle | nkuttler: i didn't. someone else did |
| 16:54.28 | chipotle | but yes |
| 16:54.34 | nkuttler | chipotle: i'd just install lenny in a vm to access the data |
| 16:54.49 | chipotle | that was the plan |
| 16:54.51 | themill | chipotle: dumping the contents of a db shouldn't require php |
| 16:55.04 | chipotle | how do i see the package tree for lenny at packages.debian.org? |
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| 16:55.17 | chipotle | themill: you're right, but i'm upgrading drupal5 to drupal 6, and d6 requires 5.3 |
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| 16:55.31 | chipotle | so it just makes sense to do this in a VM with php working properly |
| 16:55.57 | nkuttler | chipotle: so what's holding you back? |
| 16:56.01 | themill | php is working properly... old drupal is not. |
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| 16:56.13 | chipotle | nkuttler: need to make sure lenny has 5.2 by default? |
| 16:56.17 | nkuttler | wait.. i thought you had php 5.3? |
| 16:56.43 | chipotle | nkuttler: i do, but the drupal 5 site is on a server with 5.3. d5 only works with 5.2 |
| 16:56.57 | chipotle | drupal 6 and above is 5.3.x |
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| 16:57.22 | themill | chipotle: I don't think any of us yet understand why you need php 5.2 for this |
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| 16:57.28 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 16:57.43 | nkuttler | or do you want run drupal 5 + 6 at the same time? |
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| 16:57.49 | nkuttler | s/run/to run/ |
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| 16:58.35 | chipotle | nkuttler: i want to get the data off the drupal 5 site, and then put that data into the VM i am running for the new d6 site |
| 16:58.37 | chipotle | make sense? |
| 16:58.50 | chipotle | themill: i need php 5.2 to make the drupal 5 site functional again, inside the vm |
| 16:58.52 | nkuttler | chipotle: doesn't drupal have an upgade path/script |
| 16:59.00 | chipotle | nkuttler: not a good one between 5 and 6, no |
| 16:59.15 | themill | chipotle: why does the drupal site need to be functional? |
| 16:59.23 | nkuttler | chipotle: anyway... so get a lenny iso, install it, export, etc |
| 16:59.35 | chipotle | nkuttler: lenny uses 5.2 by default? |
| 16:59.37 | nkuttler | !lenny iso |
| 16:59.38 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. Security support for Lenny ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. |
| 16:59.39 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 16:59.47 | nkuttler | !php paradox |
| 16:59.48 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with PHP 5.2 want to have PHP 5.3... while the people running squeeze with PHP 5.3 want to have PHP 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both PHP and the applications written in it. |
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| 17:00.49 | Diopter | Speaking of PHP indictments, http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ this is fantastic. |
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| 17:01.06 | chipotle | thank you nkuttler ! |
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| 17:01.31 | babilen | Diopter: Indeed, but rather #debian-offtopic material |
| 17:01.51 | babilen | chipotle: Why does the old site have to work in order for you to be able to get the data? |
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| 17:02.13 | Diopter | babilen: Doh, slipped my mind. It's slippery in there lately. |
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| 17:03.24 | chipotle | babilen: it would be easier than going through the database |
| 17:03.27 | chipotle | it is a small site |
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| 17:04.34 | babilen | chipotle: Ok, I have to trust you on that. Does that still hold true if you have to install lenny from scratch and configure the old site there? |
| 17:05.15 | chipotle | babilen: well, i can do it in a VM |
| 17:05.16 | burd | Since Wheezy is creping closer i tried to do an upgrade from Squeeze on a unimportant machine.. it fails and complains about libc6 breaking gcc-4.4 .. I've search all over but cannot find a fix to the issue.. tried -f install .. would anyone have a clue where I might finda way to fix this issue? thanks in advance |
| 17:05.39 | Iridos | Wheezy is creping closer? |
| 17:05.53 | nkuttler | burd: welcome to testing |
| 17:05.54 | nsadmin | chipotle, most modern database backends allow you to create a dump that can be restored on newer backend versions\ |
| 17:06.00 | burd | *sigh* creeping.. feel better? |
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| 17:06.08 | stew | burd: did you check the bts? |
| 17:06.16 | Iridos | err, didn't mean the typo |
| 17:06.39 | babilen | chipotle: Sure, but it will still be work. I have no Drupal experience and I constantly suppress all memories of me having to code PHP for $EMPLOYER .. so ... I would still think that a postgres or (sigh) mysql dump + restore is easier. |
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| 17:06.58 | Iridos | I mean... typicall freeze takes anything between 3-6 months and it's not frozen, I'm sure I'd have heard of that |
| 17:07.21 | stew | it should be frozen in a couple of weeks |
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| 17:07.31 | nsadmin | burd, are you sure you kept the lenny to only lenny packages? or what did you upgrade from |
| 17:07.35 | nsadmin | ? |
| 17:07.45 | chipotle | babilen: well, i found an ova image of debian 5 already setup |
| 17:07.51 | luke-jr | does Debian have any kind of infra for helping projects port to Big Endian? |
| 17:07.53 | burd | it was a squeeze basic install, no external repositories |
| 17:08.02 | babilen | chipotle: ok - good luck! |
| 17:08.05 | Iridos | so soon? squeeze was only released start of 2011 |
| 17:08.20 | burd | well not so basic, lxde, build-essential but all from stock squeeze repos |
| 17:08.21 | nsadmin | burd, oh, ok, that sounds good |
| 17:08.54 | Iridos | that would be less than 2 years for a release... shocking |
| 17:08.55 | nsadmin | burd, you'd be doing the maints a favor by reporting it |
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| 17:09.29 | burd | I plan to report but just making sure it was not already reported somewhere.. digging through bts now to see if I can come up with anything |
| 17:10.19 | nsadmin | well you'd check the bts for that |
| 17:10.24 | 17SABCMEJ | hi guys, i have an iscsi initator that is cleanly connection to a target on reboot, I would like to mount it to the filesystem, however, a simple fstab entry didnt work as the system would hang (as the iscsi connection hadnt happened yet) I added the noboot option in fstab, and tried putting the mount command in rc.local but this didnt work. Is it because one has to be root in order to mount something, what can i do? Thanks. |
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| 17:10.50 | Alphinux | This may be a stupid question but I'm downloading/installing deb for the 1st time. I want to download the DVD image but I see deb*DVD-1.iso to deb*DVD-8.iso. 8 DVDs? Do I really need to download them all? |
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| 17:11.32 | Diopter | Alphinux: If you have access to the internet on the installation machine it's probably better to just grab the netinstall. |
| 17:11.47 | nsadmin | you actually don't need any dvds, only one cd which is 1/3rd the size, or a little less |
| 17:12.10 | burd | just in case anyone wants to see what it is doing here ya go http://paste.debian.net/172838/ |
| 17:13.05 | stew | judd: versions gcc-4.4 |
| 17:13.05 | judd | Package: gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.7-1; wheezy: 4.4.7-1 |
| 17:13.15 | Alphinux | Diopter: thanks. kfreebsd stands for using kde and freebsd ? |
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| 17:13.25 | stew | burd: ^^^ Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) shouldn't be a problem, 4.4.7-1 is current |
| 17:13.41 | Diopter | Alphinux: No. kFreeBSD is the FreeBSD kernel with a Debian userland. |
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| 17:13.55 | Diopter | Alphinux: I.e., GNU/Linux, minus the Linux. More or less :P |
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| 17:14.14 | Alphinux | thanks |
| 17:15.25 | burd | stew, odd huh.. maybe the repo i am using is out of date somehow? using us.ftp.debian.org |
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| 17:16.36 | stew | burd: I doubt it. can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gcc-4.4" ? |
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| 17:18.38 | burd | stew, here you go http://paste.debian.net/172840/ |
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| 17:19.00 | burd | that just makes thigns get weirder hehe |
| 17:19.55 | mjt | ,versions gcc-4.4 |
| 17:19.57 | judd | Package: gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; sid: 4.4.7-1; wheezy: 4.4.7-1 |
| 17:20.22 | babilen | burd: Can you also paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and the first couple of actions suggested when you run "aptitude full-upgrade" ? |
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| 17:22.03 | burd | apt-cache policy output http://paste.debian.net/172842/ |
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| 17:24.09 | burd | the aptitude output.. it just told it yes and it seems to be trying to work... http://paste.debian.net/172843/ |
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| 17:25.03 | stew | burd: did you really want it to remove mysql-server-5.1? |
| 17:25.28 | burd | stew, it doesn't matter on this machien I can try to put it back later |
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| 17:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | 17SABCMEJ: Did you add -netdev to the options in fstab? |
| 17:27.29 | chris_c | Hello :) Is there any way to capture packets on Wireshark but not run as the root user? |
| 17:27.38 | 17SABCMEJ | jhutchins, no, what is this option? |
| 17:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | man fstab for more info. Recommended for network devices. |
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| 17:28.56 | AimHere | chris_c, if you're worried about some of the security problems that wireshark has had, you could try capping with tcpdump, and opening the dump with wireshark as a non-root user |
| 17:29.05 | Diopter | chris_c: packet capturing without some variety of special privileges means you could in theory access another users' network streams, so that wouldn't be a very good security model. |
| 17:29.13 | 17SABCMEJ | jhutchins, k well look into |
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| 17:30.09 | stew | 17SABCMEJ: you might consider switching back to your previous /nick, you currently have a server assigned nick |
| 17:30.16 | chris_c | thanks AimHere and Diopter . How do I do the capping with tcpdump? Is there a tutorial somewhere? :) |
| 17:30.25 | Diopter | chris_c: man tcpdump :) |
| 17:30.42 | chris_c | thanks :) will check it out cc @ Diopter |
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| 17:33.12 | Diopter | chris_c: An important flag to keep in mind so you don't get unexpected behavior (until you know that you want it) is -p, to disable promiscuous mode. |
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| 17:34.30 | humanassigned | jhutchins_lt apparently it is only valid with nfs _netdev - this is a network device, mount it after bringing up the network. Only valid with fstype nfs. |
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| 17:34.59 | chris_c | Diopter: oh. does that mean if promiscuous mode is on, it captures not just connections to and from my computer but also others on the network? in that case, i should always run it with promiscuous mode off :) |
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| 17:38.09 | angs | what room is for debianon |
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| 17:41.25 | stew | angs: i don't believe one exists, perhaps ask your question here |
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| 17:42.40 | xand | what's debianon? |
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| 17:42.56 | stew | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn |
| 17:43.53 | xand | er |
| 17:44.02 | angs | I am considering to install debian on beaglebone http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/TI/BeagleBone |
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| 17:44.28 | angs | I wonder if anyone use any rtl8192cu wifi doggle without any problem |
| 17:44.28 | chris_c | Try searching the List of Channels to see if there is one :) |
| 17:45.10 | xand | it seems to just be some documentation rather than a thing |
| 17:46.06 | angs | I never used debian, does it have similar to ubuntu (or vice-versa)? |
| 17:46.12 | angs | the commands |
| 17:46.32 | chris_c | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 17:46.58 | frido_ | hi, has somebody experience with any SSTP server implementation under linux? |
| 17:47.03 | chris_c | there's a non-free firmware package available for hardware and stuff |
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| 17:47.18 | frido_ | SSTP - secure socket tunneling protocol |
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| 17:48.16 | izepstan | hi, hello there, is it possible to use a partition which contains already data as lvm? |
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| 17:52.43 | jhutchins_lt | humanassigned: Strange, I used it in RHEL to solve exactly your problem - iscssi. |
| 17:52.56 | jhutchins_lt | humanassigned: I rather assumed it was valid for CIFS as well. |
| 17:53.04 | humanassigned | i am using defaults,auto,_netdev |
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| 17:53.29 | humanassigned | it doesnt hang at boot time, but it also doesnt mount the filesystem |
| 17:53.38 | humanassigned | mount -a however does |
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| 17:53.46 | humanassigned | so the fstab entry (uses uuid) is good... |
| 17:54.10 | humanassigned | im using ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 17:54.24 | humanassigned | errr 10.04 |
| 17:54.31 | solstis | g'day, hackers ;) |
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| 17:55.15 | jhutchins_lt | humanassigned: Naughty naughty. They use different kernels. |
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| 18:02.43 | xvilka | hi! i have just installed debian system with software raid, but without lvm2. Is this possible do repartition of drives on running system? Or convert into lvm? |
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| 18:03.27 | nsadmin | humanassigned, one thing to check on, is whether the thing you're trying to mount at boot has all the drivers it needs, and maybe the storage unit needst to be somehow started, before you can mount anything on it |
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| 18:04.06 | izepstan | what means mounted on / ? -> http://pastebin.com/jsTVWyk2 |
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| 18:04.37 | humanassigned | nsadmin, i am trying to mount an iscsi target on an ubuntu box, which i can mount manually, using mount -a, or mount /dev/sdx /mnt/test |
| 18:04.38 | nsadmin | speaking of waiting for stuff, I'm trying to get a service to wait until all my interfaces are completely up before starting |
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| 18:05.06 | humanassigned | the target is using iscsi enterprise setup on an ubuntu box |
| 18:05.09 | stew | humanassigned: please ask ubuntu related questions in #ubuntu, not here |
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| 18:05.33 | humanassigned | stew, the initiator is debian |
| 18:05.46 | nsadmin | humanassigned, probably the reason you can mount manually is it's also after the device is started... this is purposly not detailed, as I don't know ubuntu... more info on #ubuntu |
| 18:06.22 | nsadmin | what's an initiator? |
| 18:06.24 | stew | humanassigned: i'm confused. what do you mean by "initiator"? |
| 18:06.32 | humanassigned | an iscsi initiator |
| 18:06.34 | humanassigned | client |
| 18:06.51 | nsadmin | and this is a software thing? |
| 18:07.37 | stew | izepstan: I don't think your question made sense, can you rephrase it? |
| 18:07.41 | humanassigned | i am exporting a block device from an ubuntu box actually a raid array (/dev/md0) to a debian box where upon startup is seed it on the debian box (the iscsi client/initiator) as /dev/sda i just want it to mount the device to the clients filesystem |
| 18:08.03 | nsadmin | if the initiator does something like start the drive, you have to do something like wait for it to be spun up |
| 18:08.22 | humanassigned | instead of typing mount /dev/sdx /mount/here every time i statup the client |
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| 18:09.00 | nsadmin | so the debian box has to wait for the ubuntu box |
| 18:09.01 | stew | humanassigned: what is the fstype? |
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| 18:09.19 | humanassigned | no... the ubuntu box is staying on and remains on |
| 18:09.31 | abrotman | izepstan: / is the "root" filesystem |
| 18:09.31 | izepstan | stew, i got confused with this mounting thing, i dont get how many drives i have and how many partitions... |
| 18:09.50 | humanassigned | when i am rebooting the debian box, the client... it automatically initiates the iscsi component, it sees /dev/sda (in this case) |
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| 18:09.52 | izepstan | so dev/md2 is my hdd? |
| 18:09.55 | nsadmin | so it's always ready? (if so, then the problem is different, and are there error messages?) |
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| 18:10.04 | humanassigned | i just want it mounted automagically |
| 18:10.11 | abrotman | izepstan: that's an mdraid device |
| 18:10.14 | humanassigned | the iscsi portion is working just fine |
| 18:10.20 | stew | izepstan: /dev/md2 is likely a software raid array |
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| 18:10.34 | izepstan | hmm and md1 and md3? |
| 18:10.44 | nsadmin | izepstan, presumably /dev/md2 represents a lot of your drives smooshed into one unit |
| 18:11.09 | stew | humanassigned: /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh is where network drives are typically mounted, but your probably doesn't match any of the network filesystems its looking for |
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| 18:11.21 | stew | humanassigned: you can perhaps put your mount command into a post-up rule in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:11.25 | izepstan | nsadmin, ok, and if i like to create a lvm do i have to repatition? |
| 18:11.33 | humanassigned | i cant just simply add an fstab entry, because the iscsi thing hasnt been negotiated before the fstab entry is read |
| 18:11.36 | izepstan | *repartition |
| 18:11.54 | chipotle | what is a debian 5 lenny mirror that is still active? |
| 18:11.58 | nsadmin | izepstan, not sure... you can |
| 18:12.03 | stew | chipotle: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 18:12.14 | humanassigned | stew, okay i will check out post-up rule |
| 18:12.15 | dvs | but it's no longer supported |
| 18:12.34 | chipotle | i keep getting bad archive mirror response |
| 18:12.36 | izepstan | nsadmin, ok and md2 contains also md1 and md3? |
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| 18:12.48 | humanassigned | stew, the fs type is ext4 |
| 18:12.59 | nsadmin | izepstan, I think they are three separate storage volumes |
| 18:13.07 | nsadmin | can someone help him with specifics |
| 18:13.16 | chipotle | is archive.debian.org the only one? :/ it's super slow |
| 18:13.29 | stew | humanassigned: right, so if you look at the mount scripts in /etc/init.d/mount*, its obvious that those will not know it is a networked file system |
| 18:13.40 | themill | chipotle: lenny isn't a supported release... it hasn't been mirrors for some months now |
| 18:13.41 | dizzylizzy | is debian the only distro where people use very outdated versions? or is it simply because debian is used so much with servers and is usually stable as a rock? |
| 18:13.52 | stew | dizzylizzy: no, and no |
| 18:13.58 | dizzylizzy | i mean i still see people coming in here asking about sarge |
| 18:14.09 | nsadmin | dizzylizzy, the more tested, the older the software would be |
| 18:14.19 | xvilka | so, any ideas, how-to resize root partition on running debian? |
| 18:14.22 | xvilka | without lvm |
| 18:14.31 | dizzylizzy | don't resize a partition while it's mounted |
| 18:14.36 | nsadmin | they are quite stable... they don't move -at all- :) |
| 18:14.38 | chipotle | themill: so i can't get any packages off of it? |
| 18:14.54 | izepstan | nsadmin, so all folders that arent in home (md3) or boot (md1) are in md2? |
| 18:15.00 | themill | chipotle: it's on archive.debian.org... |
| 18:15.02 | stew | izepstan: you haven't given us enough info. you might look at "mdadm -Q --detail /dev/md2" (and for the others /dev/md1, /dev/md3) to see what block devices participate in those raid arrays |
| 18:15.04 | humanassigned | stew, okay so the post-up rule is what im looking for |
| 18:15.14 | stew | izepstan: you also might look at "fdisk -l" to get a list of the known partitions |
| 18:15.29 | stew | humanassigned: "man 5 interfaces" if you aren't already |
| 18:15.32 | nsadmin | izepstan, well possibly, I don't know what's in your arrays |
| 18:15.33 | chipotle | themill: okay, well i can't add a repo to the install CD, so i'll do it after |
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| 18:15.39 | humanassigned | stew, mounting requires root is this easily accomplished in the post-up area (not familar) with this feature |
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| 18:15.49 | stew | humanassigned: yes |
| 18:16.10 | themill | chipotle: and jftr, I *still* don't understand why you're trying to get lenny running just to migrate a database. |
| 18:16.16 | humanassigned | stew, k thanks will look into |
| 18:16.43 | nsadmin | izepstan. now earlier you mentioned lvm... now, it's starting to become clear that your arrays have stuff on them... so, don't try to put lvm on there until you take care of that |
| 18:16.47 | chipotle | themill: because the site is broken at the moment |
| 18:16.50 | chipotle | because of 5.3 |
| 18:16.54 | xvilka | dizzylizzy: i need to do that, because preinstalled system provide 1Tb '/' partition! I can't belive |
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| 18:17.02 | izepstan | nsadmin, ok thx.. |
| 18:17.03 | chipotle | so i want to restore it before i take the database |
| 18:17.24 | xvilka | and this is remote system without kvm-over-ip |
| 18:17.25 | dizzylizzy | xvilka, you will want to boot from a CD or USB stick if you want to resize the partition |
| 18:17.28 | dizzylizzy | oh |
| 18:17.48 | themill | chipotle: your logic still escapes me. Wouldn't your time be better spent just copying the db over to a squeeze box and running the drupal 6 installer? |
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| 18:17.56 | nsadmin | izepstan, I'm not saying it's impossible... I am saying that if you try right now, you might lose data |
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| 18:18.05 | chipotle | themill: no, you can't just put a drupal5 database into drupal 6 |
| 18:18.09 | chipotle | you have to migrate it to d6 |
| 18:18.20 | chipotle | and there's no good upgrade path from d5 to d6, so it is best to do it by hand, copy/paste |
| 18:18.32 | themill | you what? |
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| 18:18.45 | izepstan | nsadmin, no it's productive, but i dont can backup my xen clients without restarting so i thought to switch from img to lvm.. here is the additional information http://pastebin.com/NBmNXwx8 |
| 18:18.49 | stew | i have a hard time believing that copying and pasting data by hand is the best way |
| 18:18.56 | xvilka | hm, so looks like there is only one way - pxe boot |
| 18:19.02 | dizzylizzy | xvilka, http://www.ivarch.com/blogs/oss/2007/01/resize-a-live-root-fs-a-howto.shtml |
| 18:19.06 | chipotle | stew: it's only about 20 pages, it's not bad |
| 18:19.08 | dizzylizzy | xvilka, I cannot vouch for the validity of that article |
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| 18:21.48 | xvilka | dizzylizzy: thx, though looks bit tricky |
| 18:22.02 | dizzylizzy | xvilka, what you want to do is tricky |
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| 18:24.29 | stew | not only is this tricky, it is quite dangerous and redhat based |
| 18:24.31 | LittleFool | Hi, is there a way to run 2 commands in the console without a script? |
| 18:25.07 | dvs | LittleFool: ; |
| 18:25.09 | stew | LittleFool: "command1 ; command2" if they should both always be run "command1 && command2" if the second should only run if the first succeeds |
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| 18:25.37 | nsadmin | izepstan, if you could, which of md1, md2, md3 would you want to turn into lvm? |
| 18:25.42 | LittleFool | stew: so && waits for the second to finish and ; odesnt? |
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| 18:26.09 | nsadmin | they both wait |
| 18:26.10 | izepstan | nsadmin, md3 i thought.. |
| 18:26.11 | Diopter | LittleFool: Both wait. && is "if that worked, do this too". |
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| 18:26.21 | Diopter | LittleFool: ; is "do this also, regardless" |
| 18:26.23 | stew | LittleFool: no, they both wait for the first to finish |
| 18:26.25 | nsadmin | ok, so what's on md3 now? |
| 18:26.33 | LittleFool | okey thanks :) |
| 18:26.37 | izepstan | nsadmin, or make a new partition cause md2 is huge |
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| 18:27.06 | izepstan | nsadmin, but i dont get how the space is spreaded... |
| 18:27.23 | nsadmin | I don't know enough to understand that either |
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| 18:27.59 | stew | izepstan: do you understand what raid1 does? |
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| 18:28.10 | nsadmin | oh, raid1? |
| 18:28.38 | nsadmin | stew, should he back up and go to raid 10? |
| 18:28.52 | izepstan | stew, i think it is mirroring or bonding differend hdds together.. |
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| 18:29.07 | SparFuxXx | Hi all. I installed dnsmasq and configured /etc/resolv.conf to point to 192.168.118.8, my local host. But the host localhost command just hangs and dig says, no nameserver was found on any search. |
| 18:29.16 | nsadmin | he says it's huge tho, so that seems too much downtime |
| 18:29.29 | stew | nsadmin: what? how do you figure on raid 10? |
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| 18:30.03 | nsadmin | stew, raid5 doesn't play well with dbs since it's not good with random access |
| 18:30.45 | stew | nsadmin: neither raid5 nor raid10 play well with only two physical disks, unless you know about more disks that he hasn't told us about yet |
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| 18:31.03 | abrotman | not sure where he said DB ? |
| 18:31.06 | nsadmin | so he doens't have much of a choice |
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| 18:31.43 | nsadmin | izepstan, do you have others using your vms? |
| 18:32.00 | stew | izepstan: it appears that you have two drives, each has (at least) 3 partitions. from those three partitions on the two drives, three arrays are created where the two partitions mirror eachother, right? |
| 18:32.08 | stew | nsadmin: please just stop |
| 18:32.12 | stew | nsadmin: he has lots of choices |
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| 18:32.52 | nsadmin | not if he doesn't want to incur unscheduled downtime |
| 18:32.58 | izepstan | stew: what are arrays? |
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| 18:33.05 | stew | nsadmin: you are incorrect |
| 18:33.32 | TriJetScud | is it possible to boot debian with a LVM volume as the root partition? |
| 18:33.51 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, yes, it's possible |
| 18:34.13 | nsadmin | especially if you have /boot on a partition |
| 18:35.15 | TriJetScud | nsadmin: my situation is that I have an existing RHEL 6 install on the box I want debian installed on, but I used debootstrap to install a debian installation on another LVM volume |
| 18:35.33 | nsadmin | ok |
| 18:35.35 | stew | izepstan: for example. md1 is a device where it is using two partitions, one one each disk, /dev/sda2, /dev/sdb2, and treating them as if they were a single device. anything that gets written to the device gets written to both partitions |
| 18:35.50 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, do you have grub on one of them? |
| 18:36.02 | stew | izepstan: you have at least 4 of these: /dev/md0 /dev/md1 /dev/md2 /dev/md3 |
| 18:36.03 | TriJetScud | grub legacy on the /boot partition |
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| 18:36.10 | jhutchins_lt | LittleFool: You can also launch the first command in the background: <cmd1>&;<cmd2> |
| 18:36.17 | TriJetScud | ~pb |
| 18:36.17 | apt | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 18:36.25 | humanassigned | for those curious the following fstab changes allowed my setup to work defaults,auto,_netdev 0 0 (the 0 0 being the missing portion) |
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| 18:37.01 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, any chance you could upgrade that grub to grub2? grub2 has module support for lvm2 |
| 18:37.19 | TriJetScud | nsadmin: not without breaking the existing RHEL 6 leagcy grub |
| 18:37.49 | nsadmin | hmm. maybe you could share the /boot partition between the two oses |
| 18:38.10 | TriJetScud | yes, that's what I'm doing right now |
| 18:38.10 | nsadmin | you say the legacy grub is on the /boot partition? |
| 18:38.13 | TriJetScud | yeah |
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| 18:38.20 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, grub2 can boot a grub0 system. |
| 18:38.30 | TriJetScud | http://pastebin.com/gXb2MkSg <- this is the boot argument for the debian system on grub legacy |
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| 18:39.04 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, oh... ok, lost track of the problem. it sounds like you're already doing everything I would have suggested. |
| 18:39.13 | izepstan | stew, so the sda's are the real hdds? |
| 18:39.20 | nsadmin | are both oses working properly? |
| 18:39.25 | themill | jhutchins_lt: btw command1&;command2 is a syntax error. You only want one command separator there. |
| 18:39.33 | stew | what you could do is remove the sdb partitions from the raid arrays, repartition sdb, make new raid1 arrays with the sdb paritions, copy the data from sda to the new raid arrays, then repartition sda to match, and join sda to the new arrays |
| 18:39.37 | stew | izepstan: yes |
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| 18:39.40 | TriJetScud | RHEL 6 is working properly on this system and debian is working properly as a chroot, nsadmin |
| 18:40.05 | stew | izepstan: the trick is that when you create the raid arrays on sdb, you have to create them with the special "missing" parameter which says "create them degraded" |
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| 18:40.15 | nsadmin | as a chroot? how's that going? do you want to change that? |
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| 18:40.40 | stew | izepstan: what you might do is to just create one raid array for the new data, and put lvm on it, then you can create as many filesystems as you want on it, arnd resize them more easily in the future |
| 18:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | Does & serve as a command separator then? |
| 18:40.47 | Diopter | TriJetScud: Why wouldn't you run Debian in LXC or such instead of a chroot.... |
| 18:41.08 | dvs | TriJetScud: So install Debian's grub on Debian's partition and configure RHEL's grub to boot from Debian's partition |
| 18:41.23 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Yep, so it does, you're right again. |
| 18:41.25 | TriJetScud | maybe I got to clarify myself here a bit, whtat I did was install debian via debootstrap, did all the initial configuration under the chroot and copied over some of the critical stuff over from the RHEL 6 system |
| 18:41.32 | nsadmin | Diopter, maybe that is what he wants... or to just be able to boot it |
| 18:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | LittleFool: So it's <cmd1> & <cmd2> |
| 18:41.50 | stew | izepstan: as soon as you remove the sdb partitions from the arrays, you enter a period of time where you are no longer getting the data integrity protections you are normally getting from raid1, which is why it is important to have an up to date backup |
| 18:42.04 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, ok... |
| 18:42.09 | TriJetScud | and ultimately booting the debian installation natively once all the inital configuration is complete on the chroot |
| 18:42.41 | LittleFool | jhutchins_lt: i saw that some years ago but it never worked for me even with one command like cmd1& |
| 18:42.42 | TriJetScud | I'll end up leaving RHEL6 as the fallback if I mess anything up in the debian side of things |
| 18:42.52 | jhutchins_lt | cmd1 & |
| 18:43.21 | stew | izepstan: also note that we still haven't seen what all the paritions are on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, since they are GPT, you can get a list from "parted -l" |
| 18:43.23 | izepstan | stew, hmmm... ok i do a backup first.. |
| 18:43.47 | jhutchins_lt | izepstan: Always a good idea. |
| 18:43.58 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, ok, so you want to move over to debian from the rh? |
| 18:44.12 | TriJetScud | yeah, that's the ultimate goal here |
| 18:44.17 | nsadmin | ("eventually"?) |
| 18:44.18 | izepstan | stew, i dont have "parted" as recognized command.. |
| 18:44.33 | stew | izepstan: its in the parted package |
| 18:45.16 | nsadmin | ok, you have grub already booting from the rhel, and you could put a stanza for it to boot the debian kernel (does it have one of those yet?) |
| 18:45.29 | TriJetScud | yes that's what I did nsadmin |
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| 18:45.50 | izepstan | stew, http://pastebin.com/PWiGMBHD |
| 18:45.58 | TriJetScud | but when it comes to booting debian, it complains that it can't find the lvm volume |
| 18:45.59 | nsadmin | ok, and you see the kernel in /boot, with the rh kernels? |
| 18:46.09 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 18:46.25 | TriJetScud | that's the issue I'm having here |
| 18:46.29 | nsadmin | so you have your debian's / on an LV |
| 18:46.37 | TriJetScud | yeah |
| 18:46.44 | TriJetScud | but the boot partition is seperate |
| 18:47.08 | nsadmin | do each have their own /boot? or, they share the /boot? |
| 18:47.16 | TriJetScud | they share the same /boot |
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| 18:49.43 | nsadmin | and you already tried to boot the debian using grub, and it fails because it can't do lvm? |
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| 18:50.01 | TriJetScud | yeah |
| 18:50.27 | Diopter | You could make a small partition to put grub2 on, chainload into it from legacy grub |
| 18:50.30 | Diopter | heh |
| 18:50.39 | nsadmin | this is going to be a little tricky to share the grub... because, you'll be controlling the boot from rh, which is going to be a little strange |
| 18:50.54 | nsadmin | Diopter, that would be a great way to do it |
| 18:51.10 | nsadmin | then he wouldn't have to share the grub |
| 18:51.25 | TriJetScud | yeah, that was what I was thinking of... |
| 18:51.30 | Diopter | If by great you mean cringingly ugly, then sure. It's simple and robust, though :P |
| 18:51.45 | TriJetScud | well, seems like I'll have to do it that way then |
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| 18:52.08 | nsadmin | Diopter, he wants to migrate to debian... so the ugliness increases as he gets tired of having to boot the rh |
| 18:52.29 | hoxlt | cringingly ugly ... simple and robust .. sounds like my brother's wife ... |
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| 18:52.43 | Diopter | hoxlt: Correct. |
| 18:52.58 | hoxlt | Try the veal .. I'm here all week |
| 18:53.07 | hoxlt | or until my compile finishes |
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| 18:53.28 | Diopter | nsadmin: So... he's trying to do an in-place migration to Debian from RHEL. Sounds like a bad plan, unless he's just not sure he really wants Debian yet and wants to be able to just reboot back into RH |
| 18:54.00 | nsadmin | he's got both installed. he can boot rh, and start debian from rh by chrooting in |
| 18:54.11 | TriJetScud | Diopter: that's exactly what I'm doing here |
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| 18:54.20 | abrotman | hehhe .. debtakeover .. |
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| 18:54.26 | nsadmin | he wrote the debian using debootstrap |
| 18:55.10 | nsadmin | abrotman, yeah, but it's going to be hard to do because I don't initially want to break the rh since he'll be temporarily dependent on it |
| 18:55.47 | abrotman | really don't want to discuss it with you |
| 18:56.00 | TriJetScud | well, nsadmin, I've been using debian almost exclusively in the other servers I've got online but this guy seems like it's the last one that's going to be migrated to debian |
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| 18:56.09 | nsadmin | I'm the one that's helping him with it :P |
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| 18:56.17 | abrotman | i'd hardly call that helping |
| 18:56.39 | Diopter | TriJetScud: Why can't you backup what you care about, netinstall debian, copy it back over? Why do you have to try to migrate in-place, the ugliest possible approach? |
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| 18:56.56 | abrotman | it's not really that awful of a procedure |
| 18:57.14 | TriJetScud | Diopter: probably I'd like to have a 3 minute reversion if I absolutely needed to |
| 18:57.29 | Quibus | hi... since a few days I'm experiencing this when X starts (testing): http://pastebin.com/MDWQtjic |
| 18:57.36 | Quibus | with loads of beeps |
| 18:57.45 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, what;s the purpose of the rh now? (that is, how important is it to preserve it)? |
| 18:57.59 | Diopter | TriJetScud: I can't help but feel you're doing it very wrong if this box is some vital production box, and you don't want more than 3 minutes of downtime, yet your plan is to do a much more complicated and risky procedure to accomplish the change |
| 18:58.07 | Diopter | TriJetScud: That's just so many kinds of doing it wrong. |
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| 18:59.14 | Morgawr | hey guys... I'm trying to install debian on qemu-arm (for arm, need it for raspberry pi) and the installation had some problems... the OS is installed but grub isn't there. How do I install grub? sudo apt-get install grub2 or grub-pc yelds no results |
| 18:59.25 | Morgawr | does debian arm not have grub? o.O |
| 18:59.34 | Morgawr | this is debian stable btw |
| 19:00.47 | TriJetScud | Diopter: there's a few apps I've got running on it that can't easily be re-compiled |
| 19:00.53 | TriJetScud | i.e. binary only apps |
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| 19:01.10 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, you can ldd them to see what they need |
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| 19:01.37 | nsadmin | if they're LGPL, you should be able to relink them |
| 19:01.43 | Diopter | TriJetScud: Sounds like what you need to be doing is setting up the migration machine separately, side-by-side |
| 19:01.49 | Diopter | Get your critical apps running first |
| 19:01.53 | Diopter | Then transfer traffic to the new machine |
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| 19:02.05 | Diopter | Either by DNS, or IPs, or pull a network cable, whatever |
| 19:02.18 | Diopter | Something other than "lolzreboot!" and hope for the best |
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| 19:03.20 | nsadmin | that would allow you to relax around having to deal with a touchy, fragile situation |
| 19:03.48 | TriJetScud | hm... that might just be the other solution instead of having a headache dealing with this contraption... |
| 19:03.54 | Diopter | ^^^^ |
| 19:04.17 | jemadux | i am using sid but i got problem .. in kde i can't made the gtk apps look like qt |
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| 19:04.29 | jemadux | i have installed all nessecary |
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| 19:04.46 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, can you get the apps compiled against different libs? |
| 19:05.04 | TriJetScud | nsadmin: they're propriateray apps |
| 19:05.04 | nsadmin | by having the vendor do it and deliver to you |
| 19:05.14 | Morgawr | so, nobody can tell me how to install grub on arm? how is it possible it doesn't exist? |
| 19:05.14 | nsadmin | right, see above |
| 19:05.36 | TriJetScud | yeah, I might just use ldd and see what other dependencies it requires |
| 19:06.38 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, anyway, DIopter's idea of 2 machines means you don't need to put that on a particular schedule |
| 19:06.54 | Diopter | TriJetScud: Proprietary or not, if they're binary-only, one of two things is true: A) they're statically linked, and you can just move them over as-is, or B) they're dynamically linked and using ldd + some finesse you can at the very least get those specific libs installed for the apps |
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| 19:07.22 | Diopter | TriJetScud: Even if the versions aren't available in a package, you Can hand-copy them and setup the LD path for just those binaries |
| 19:07.29 | nsadmin | another possiblilty, just keep the rh doing what it's doing now, and put debian on the separate machine |
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| 19:08.43 | TriJetScud | yea, I've got other debian machines running on the network just fine |
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| 19:09.55 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, right, maybe you don't need another unless it -is- to replace the rh box |
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| 19:10.51 | ZeDestructor | Hi. I need a little bit of help for my debian box with znc: It refuses to let me connect more than two "accounts" in one request |
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| 19:14.57 | nsadmin | TriJetScud, if the vendor of this proprietary software is not willing to do a build of these apps for later libs, it's likely you can find the libs you need... the easiest would be if they're statically linked |
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| 19:18.20 | nsadmin | if they're dynamically linked, and one or more libs they link to are licensed under LGPL, then you should have gotten .o files of the app |
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| 19:18.37 | nsadmin | if they were complying with the license |
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| 19:21.30 | Dinosaur | has anyone noticed that iceweasel and iceape in testing and sid are refusing to run? something about libnss3 not having a recent enough NSS_ versiion symbol. |
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| 19:23.38 | nsadmin | Dinosaur, the "has anyone noticed" part of your question could have answers on the bts... remember that testing and sid are also moving targets, and one maint could out a packge up before another maint puts up a depended package |
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| 19:27.06 | MrTorque | Hi. After reading very much in the internet, i do not find a solution for my problem. Maybe someone here can help. |
| 19:27.35 | MrTorque | I have a 3TB Harddrive (/dev/sdd) with ext3 on it (but only 2TB partiotion since some limitations) |
| 19:28.09 | nsadmin | so you definitely have that gpt partition table |
| 19:28.10 | MrTorque | after resetting the computer i get "ls: cannot access rsnapshots/weekly.0: Input/output error" errors |
| 19:28.27 | MrTorque | nsadmin: i am not sure about that... |
| 19:28.49 | nsadmin | a regular msdos partition table only goes to 2 tb |
| 19:28.50 | Diopter | 2T of ext3, blegh |
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| 19:29.32 | MrTorque | I now tried to fix with e2fsck but it does not work (The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 536870202 blocks \n The physical size of the device is 488283618 blocks \n Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!) |
| 19:29.55 | MrTorque | nsadmin: that is why i only have 2TB i guess. Sorry for being so uncertain, but i am not that good in linux |
| 19:29.56 | nsadmin | you don't need to boot off of that drive? or do you? |
| 19:30.28 | stew | MrTorque: sounds like a hardware problem. have you checked SMART for that drive? |
| 19:30.49 | MrTorque | stew: yes, i did. i will post the results in a sec. |
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| 19:30.52 | nsadmin | well maybe. it's very likely the drive shipped with a gpt partition table, or maybe no partition table. check to make sure of that first |
| 19:30.59 | MrTorque | See http://pastebin.com/qSEGtsga for fdisk -l |
| 19:31.23 | stew | MrTorque: that at least verifies that nsadmin is making stuff up again |
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| 19:32.09 | nsadmin | stew, do you even have any drives over 2 tb? |
| 19:32.15 | stew | MrTorque: (that means that no, you don't have GPT, which I do not believe to be of any relevance) |
| 19:32.35 | MrTorque | see http://pastebin.com/3F633vL1 for tune2fs -l /dev/sdd1 |
| 19:32.38 | Diopter | GPT is very relevant if you want large partitions. |
| 19:32.48 | MrTorque | stew: okay :) |
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| 19:32.56 | stew | nsadmin: drives? no, arrays? yes |
| 19:32.59 | stew | nsadmin: why do you ask? |
| 19:33.02 | MrTorque | Diopter: i now know that. i will use gpt in future. |
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| 19:33.44 | Diopter | MrTorque: GPT comes with its own difficulties in terms of bootloaders; I'd recommend doing some research before diving in. But yes, it is the correct solution. |
| 19:34.03 | stew | MrTorque: but again, GPT has nothing to do with your current filesystem corruption |
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| 19:34.18 | MrTorque | stew: that is good to hear. |
| 19:34.20 | nsadmin | stew, he actually has a 3 tb drive and msdos partition tables do not handle any more than 2. if it does have that, that could explain why this is happening to you |
| 19:34.28 | MrTorque | stew: is a smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdd good for you? |
| 19:34.38 | stew | nsadmin: what? |
| 19:34.39 | nsadmin | s/you/him |
| 19:34.41 | stew | nsadmin: what is happening to me? |
| 19:34.44 | MrTorque | Diopter: in future i will use a boot partition and LVM (with GPT) |
| 19:35.04 | stew | nsadmin: ok, so he definitely has GPT and not msdos partition table? is that correct? |
| 19:35.10 | Diopter | MrTorque: If you have grub2, that certainly works, and is a robust solution. |
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| 19:35.34 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 19:35.35 | MrTorque | Diopter: good to know. but i need to fix the hdd problem first. |
| 19:35.57 | Nik05 | to disabled ipv6 in kernel 3.2 do i need to add ipv6.disable=1 as a boot parameter? |
| 19:36.05 | Nik05 | or is it ipv6.disabled=1? |
| 19:36.05 | MrTorque | again, stew, is a smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdd good for you to know? or anything else? |
| 19:36.21 | nsadmin | stew, he hasn't told us |
| 19:36.28 | stew | nsadmin: but he has |
| 19:36.47 | stew | nsadmin: he has shown us that the thing you say is definitely true is actaully untrue |
| 19:36.51 | Diopter | nsadmin: In a way he did. He said he could only make 2TB due to a partitionin issue, and fdisk -l worked |
| 19:37.00 | stew | MrTorque: i don't know that options off the top of my head, but that sounds fine |
| 19:37.07 | Diopter | nsadmin: fdisk doesn't work for GPT and he wouldn't have hit a 2TB limitation |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | Nik05: /msg dpkg ipv6 |
| 19:37.31 | MrTorque | stew: okay, the result is: SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED |
| 19:37.35 | MrTorque | looks good to me |
| 19:37.45 | stew | nsadmin: and it doesn't matter anyway. I have a really had time believing that the partition table has anything to do with his filesystem corruption |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | Nik05: sorry, /msg dpkg noipv6 |
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| 19:38.03 | MrTorque | i do not think the error is physical (new hard drive, bought in jan 2012). i think it is a logical problem |
| 19:38.07 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Why do we think his filesystem is corrutpt? |
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| 19:38.25 | nsadmin | Diopter, so, does he have a gpt or msdos table? |
| 19:38.34 | Diopter | nsadmin: msdos. |
| 19:38.48 | Diopter | fdisk -l would have failed otherwise. |
| 19:38.49 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: because i get "ls: cannot access rsnapshots/weekly.0: Input/output error" when accessing folders on that partition. |
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| 19:39.00 | Diopter | Which is an obscure thing to know, but I work with GPT a lot, so :P |
| 19:39.03 | nsadmin | stew, you seem to like trying to prove I'm incorrect... is this something that's going to continue? |
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| 19:39.52 | MrTorque | i am confused. So i do have msdos table because fdisk -l DOES NOT fail. correct? |
| 19:39.57 | Diopter | MrTorque: Correct. |
| 19:39.58 | stew | MrTorque: correct |
| 19:40.01 | MrTorque | good :) |
| 19:40.02 | stew | nsadmin: i suppose |
| 19:40.11 | Diopter | MrTorque: You would have to use parted or gdisk to interact with GPT :) |
| 19:40.11 | MrTorque | ^^ |
| 19:40.26 | nsadmin | ok, what mailing address for legal service? |
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| 19:40.46 | MrTorque | nsadmin: do you mean me? |
| 19:40.51 | stew | nsadmin: what are you talking about? |
| 19:41.03 | nsadmin | MrTorque, no, not you at all |
| 19:41.27 | MrTorque | so what is wrong with my partition? |
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| 19:41.51 | stew | MrTorque: do errors get logged in dmesg when you have this problem? |
| 19:41.59 | MrTorque | stew: yes. |
| 19:42.03 | Nik05 | thanks abrotman |
| 19:42.11 | stew | MrTorque: anything more than "input/output error"? |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | gets popcorn |
| 19:42.43 | MrTorque | net with the words input/output but likely: http://pastebin.com/gcVfJ4cV |
| 19:42.45 | Nik05 | so its disable and not disabled :) |
| 19:42.55 | MrTorque | s/net/not |
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| 19:43.34 | stew | MrTorque: i think what I'd try to do is fsck with one of the backup superblocks |
| 19:43.42 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: It may just be easier to set the disk up correctly with GPT (and possibly a more appropriate filesystem) rather than trying to fix somethng that wasn't right in the first place. |
| 19:44.27 | stew | he really should fix the filesystem before he worries about the partition table |
| 19:44.31 | MrTorque | in the net i did read that resizing the partition with resize2fs could work. For me it does not :/ They write one should use fdisk instead, but i do not know how. |
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| 19:45.30 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: i must not loose the data not that drive (is this correct english? I want to say that i do not want to loose the data) :) |
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| 19:46.22 | MrTorque | The problem described in http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7055284.html#7055284 is very similar to mine. but they do not answer it in detail. |
| 19:46.35 | Diopter | MrTorque: If you have the space, I would first dd the partition to an image somewhere, then mount it as a loop device and run fsck with the alternate superblock, followed by testdisk and as a last resort photorec |
| 19:47.02 | stew | MrTorque: you can use dumpe2fs to locate the backup superblocks, you can run "e2fsck -b 32768 /dev/whatever" where 32768 is one of the backup superblocks |
| 19:47.24 | MrTorque | Diopter: i do not have the space right now. i would need to buy usb drive or something similar |
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| 19:47.47 | MrTorque | stew: i did that, i will do it again and give you the output. |
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| 19:48.04 | Diopter | Might be time to testdisk it. |
| 19:48.13 | jhutchins_lt | I can not afford two wheels for my bicycle, so I will ride it with only one and hope for the best. |
| 19:48.18 | Andre_H | you're using Wine? make a sign for Wine: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/use-wine-as-needed-in-future-humble-indie-bundles/ |
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| 19:49.50 | qcd | Hello, on my debian wheezy system i have cron and anacron installed. dependency based boot-sequencing is enabled. My problem is: cron is not started on boot. The link /etc/rc2.d/S02cron exists and I can start cron with /etc/init.d/cron start. So why is cron not running automatically after boot? Thanks in advance |
| 19:49.58 | MrTorque | Diopter: what is testdisk? |
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| 19:50.32 | Diopter | MrTorque: A tool from CGSecurity that is designed to find and repair partition and filesystem data structures |
| 19:50.53 | MrTorque | i will install it |
| 19:51.01 | Diopter | MrTorque: The goal being to restore the indexes/inodes so you can access the data successfully. |
| 19:51.10 | jhutchins_lt | qcd: Use a utiity like rcconf to see why it's not starting. |
| 19:51.27 | Diopter | MrTorque: If there's too much damage for that to succeed, they also have 'photorec', which will just scan for files by their header signatures |
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| 19:51.35 | Diopter | MrTorque: So you can at least copy out data |
| 19:51.43 | chipotle | how do i see all software i have installed with a wildcard, e.g. i want to see everything installed via aptitude that has 'php*' in it... |
| 19:51.45 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes. If you're lucky. |
| 19:51.52 | Diopter | ^ |
| 19:51.59 | MrTorque | stew: is there any preferance for a superblock to use? |
| 19:52.23 | stew | MrTorque: the one that has the correct information! (they are supposed to be all the same) |
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| 19:53.23 | Diopter | MrTorque: In other words, if at first you don't fsckucceed, fsck fsck again. |
| 19:53.47 | MrTorque | stew: picking some random ones give me the same error as if i drop the alternative block. |
| 19:53.55 | stew | hrm |
| 19:54.04 | MrTorque | stew: but there is one exception: the last block gives another error: |
| 19:54.05 | stew | MrTorque: you only used resize2fs after the problem started? |
| 19:54.14 | Diopter | stew: Exactly what I was thinking. |
| 19:54.27 | MrTorque | The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: |
| 19:54.32 | Diopter | For someone who doesn't know much linux, resize2fs is a pretty dangerous thing, and can cause exactly the issue described. |
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| 19:54.54 | MrTorque | stew: i could not use resize2fs. it did abort before any changes were made. |
| 19:55.07 | stew | probably because that superblock is beyond the end of the device |
| 19:55.11 | MrTorque | Diopter: okay, so what do i do with testdrive? |
| 19:55.39 | Diopter | MrTorque: Testdisk. And it has an extensive manual and there are many excellent tutorials and guides, if you need one. It also has on-screen instructions. |
| 19:56.08 | Diopter | MrTorque: However, at some point in the process, if it identifies what it thinks are the correct changes to make, it will let you choose to make them. And they are probably not reversible. |
| 19:56.16 | qcd | jhutchins_lt: # rcconf --list | grep cron => anacron on, cron on <== thats the output, but it is not running |
| 19:56.17 | Diopter | Hence why I originally suggesting making an image to work on. |
| 19:56.41 | Diopter | MrTorque: But if you're not concerned enough about your data to make a careful backup image before trying things, go for it |
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| 19:56.51 | MrTorque | Diopter: sorry, right. |
| 19:57.29 | MrTorque | Diopter: if the risk to loose data is about 5% then it is good for me. i will hope best then :) |
| 19:57.38 | Diopter | "why I originally suggesting"? Wow, that's some heinous grammarificating right'chere. |
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| 19:57.51 | Diopter | Time to do penance for my textual sins. Or get more hot chocolate, one of the two. |
| 19:58.10 | stew | Diopter: don't to be worrying abouts it to much |
| 19:58.21 | jhutchins_lt | qcd: Try setting it off, then back on. |
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| 19:58.40 | stew | MrTorque: do you want to pastebin the output of dumpe2fs for that device? |
| 19:58.57 | MrTorque | stew: i can do that |
| 19:59.00 | jhutchins_lt | qcd: After which, I will point out that wheezy isn't actually supposed to work, and suggest #debian-next on oftc.net where they might know when the fix is due out. |
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| 20:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: I believe one of the issues is that he doesn't have space to duplicate the partition on another device. |
| 20:00.28 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: Hence no backup and no image. |
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| 20:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | goes price shopping for backup hard drives. |
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| 20:01.15 | qcd | jhutchins_lt: thanks, I'll try rebooting now (cron off, cron on, reboot) and if it does not work, I'll go into #debian-next |
| 20:02.18 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt, Diopter right. It is the backup drive which is screwed up. and it hase more data on it than the partitions getting backuped. weird... |
| 20:02.25 | at0m | bit0: i read this page on translating, earlier today: http://raphaelhertzog.com/category/doc/ |
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| 20:03.08 | MrTorque | Diopter: dont you think that resizing will fix my problem? when resizeing there should no data be lost |
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| 20:03.29 | bit0 | at0m, thanks |
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| 20:03.41 | at0m | MrTorque: the 'should' is what 'could' kill your data |
| 20:03.57 | nsadmin | Diopter, at your leisure, take a look at http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-273986.html which confirms that gpt is needed to see all of a 3tb drive... does your exp differ from this? |
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| 20:05.28 | MrTorque | at0m: i would take the risk of resizing. i think it is a good algorithm which does the resizing |
| 20:05.34 | Diopter | MrTorque: If your filesystem wasn't already too big *and* full of data, then that might just be a good approach. |
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| 20:05.49 | Diopter | MrTorque: As it stands, my guess is that the resizing probably can't actually do what you want. |
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| 20:06.08 | bit0 | at0m, that's no exactly what I need, I'm looking for a procedure to be able to translate an application, ..when I type export LC_ALL=es, application will change its strings into spanish |
| 20:06.26 | stew | nsadmin: you certainly cannot have more than 2tb on a msdos partition table |
| 20:06.48 | stew | and you can't have one start after 2tb into the drive |
| 20:07.10 | stew | (the limit is actually slightly less) |
| 20:07.19 | Diopter | stew: (I thought it was slightly more.) |
| 20:08.05 | bit0 | at0m, Indeed, I mean internationalization, |
| 20:08.16 | nsadmin | stew, I have found some evidence that suggests that fdisk -l can work on gpt partition tables, and that evidence is that gpt partition tables also have the mbr/msdos table as part of it (lost the ref tho, do you want to see it?) |
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| 20:08.53 | stew | Diopter: its a 16 bit sector address and a sector is 512 bytes, so its (2^16 -1) * 2^9 |
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| 20:09.25 | stew | err those 16s shold have been 32s |
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| 20:10.20 | Diopter | stew: Right, I was calculating 2^32 * 2^9. Why 2^31? Sector addressing limitation? |
| 20:10.38 | nsadmin | stew, http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-Partitioning-EN-The-new-GPT-disk-layout#GPT_and_protective_MBR (for one) |
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| 20:11.02 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: The good thing is, if this is your backup and you're careful with the originals, you can just repartition, reformat, and make a new backup. |
| 20:11.14 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: Agreed. |
| 20:11.16 | MrTorque | Diopter: it is not full yet. |
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| 20:11.33 | stew | Diopter: the biggest number you can write with 32 bits is 1 less than 2^32 |
| 20:11.55 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: nope, i do need a part of the backup right now... some files got deleted :( |
| 20:11.59 | Diopter | stew: The biggest cardinal value, yes. Though there are still 2^32 values counting 0. |
| 20:12.10 | Diopter | stew: Quite familiar with binary and off-by-one stuff :) |
| 20:12.17 | Nik05 | hmm xmms2 is pretty nice! |
| 20:12.18 | Nik05 | :D |
| 20:12.30 | Nik05 | got it working with alsa :) |
| 20:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: ... which is when you discovered the problem. |
| 20:12.36 | Nik05 | hey jhut |
| 20:12.42 | MrTorque | stew: hm, the output of dumpe2fs is 3 mb large. should i really post everything? |
| 20:13.04 | hdb2 | how do I get a list of physical disks on my machine if they are not mounted? I need to know if there is a disk present on /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, etc. |
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| 20:13.24 | jhutchins_lt | hdb2: fdisk -l in most cases. |
| 20:13.29 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: almost right. i found the right files, did not immediatly recover them, rebooted the system, and then there was the error |
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| 20:13.40 | hdb2 | jhutchins_lt: AH! thank you. I was having a brain fart. :) |
| 20:14.02 | stew | Diopter: so perhaps the question is whether or not 0 is a valid size. its certainly a valid "start sector" |
| 20:14.11 | stew | Diopter: (the largely acedemic question, that is :) ) |
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| 20:14.24 | Nik05 | and dont overwrite the wrong disk/partition :P |
| 20:14.44 | Nik05 | i once formatted a usb on a server... |
| 20:14.57 | Nik05 | checked 10 times that i was actually formatting USB and not something else :p |
| 20:15.14 | Diopter | stew: hehe, indeed. Either way, "about 2TB" is fine :P |
| 20:15.27 | nsadmin | Nik05, then you're being careful |
| 20:15.59 | qcd | Hello, I'm using debian wheezy and have cron and anacron installed. cron can be started by "/etc/init.d/cron start" and a link /etc/rc2.d/S02cron exists. My problem is that cron is not started at bootup. I'm using dependency based boot sequencing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance |
| 20:16.01 | Diopter | Nik05: Around about "double" check #5, I start considering if maybe I'm doing it wrong if it's That important I don't make a mistake. |
| 20:16.12 | MrTorque | I need to go now. I will come back tomorrow since i did not gain access to the partition :( |
| 20:16.13 | stew | MrTorque: i dunno, I don't really know for sure what I'm going to do with the info to be honest |
| 20:16.14 | Diopter | Nik05: Probably best to have more backups/secondaries/plan B's, etc |
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| 20:16.25 | Diopter | MrTorque: TestDisk ahoy! |
| 20:16.39 | MrTorque | stew: hm, then i will give you only the superblocks :P |
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| 20:16.58 | stew | MrTorque: do you have parted installed? |
| 20:17.01 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: What about you give YOU the superblocks and try using one? |
| 20:17.05 | Nik05 | :) |
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| 20:17.28 | qcd | qcd: ignore me, i'm on the wrong channel --- sorry |
| 20:17.36 | MrTorque | http://pastebin.com/TGndmgby |
| 20:17.50 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: i did that already. |
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| 20:18.23 | MrTorque | same error with e2fsck |
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| 20:18.49 | MrTorque | Diopter: yes, i will try |
| 20:19.04 | stew | dpkg: 536870202 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 |
| 20:19.05 | dpkg | 0.499999338761 |
| 20:19.09 | stew | err |
| 20:19.17 | stew | dpkg: 536870202 * 4096 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 |
| 20:19.18 | dpkg | 2047.997291564941 |
| 20:19.24 | stew | so its 2048 gigs |
| 20:19.25 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: Well, at least it's consistent. |
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| 20:20.14 | MrTorque | yes, it has physical 3TB but i only use (and created a partition) with 2TB (due to limitations of msdos) |
| 20:20.17 | Diopter | MrTorque, jhutchins_lt: Most likely that means you somehow had a legitimate resize operation occur and it rewrote the superblocks, primary and backup. |
| 20:20.38 | Diopter | It's unlikely (which is the point) that your backup superblock would be the same as your primary if your primary gets damaged. |
| 20:21.11 | stew | MrTorque: if you have parted, can you give us the output of "parted -l" for this device? |
| 20:21.11 | MrTorque | Diopter: i did not resize because resize2fs exited with the message i shoud first run e2fsck |
| 20:21.27 | Diopter | Unless you just can't read the backup because it's past the disk as far as ext3 is concerned. But That would be odd since your first backup is at block 32768... that's not very far into the disk. |
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| 20:21.58 | Diopter | MrTorque: I understand what you're telling me. And I would expect that, on every *other* run of resize2fs except for the first successful one :P |
| 20:22.04 | Diopter | MrTorque: Assuming a resize did somehow occur |
| 20:22.05 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: Is there a way to see if the various blocks are different? |
| 20:22.14 | MrTorque | sure, look here: http://pastebin.com/RKL8R5rd |
| 20:22.35 | stew | nsadmin: (btw, that last pastebin does contain his partition table type) |
| 20:22.37 | stew | oh |
| 20:22.45 | stew | so yeah, his filesystem is bigger than the partition |
| 20:23.02 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: Well, the dump should contain them, so md5sum ahoy |
| 20:23.03 | stew | is a 2048GB filesystem on a 2000GB partition |
| 20:23.17 | nsadmin | stew, do you think that could have happened because of integer overflow? |
| 20:23.34 | stew | nsadmin: think what could have happened? |
| 20:23.54 | MrTorque | stew: so what do i need to do? can i shrink the filesystem to the size of the partition? |
| 20:23.55 | nsadmin | corruption, filesystem larger than partition |
| 20:24.19 | Diopter | stew: I think nsadmin is suggesting that maybe fdisk and mkfs.ext3 disagreed how big that was when mkfs tried to make a filesystem the size of the partition. |
| 20:24.20 | jhutchins_lt | So what triggered the read failure? |
| 20:24.28 | Diopter | MrTorque: You can try that, yes. |
| 20:24.42 | ompaul | is that not simple GiB and GB ? |
| 20:24.43 | Diopter | MrTorque: It might bork it moar, though. It wants an fsck first, and you can't. |
| 20:24.45 | stew | nsadmin: i do not think so |
| 20:25.17 | stew | ompaul: both 2000 GB and 2000 GiB are too small for either a 2048 GB or a 2048 GiB image |
| 20:25.21 | MrTorque | Diopter: ohm, so i try anyway. But how to resize if resize2fs does not work? |
| 20:25.23 | stew | (and we know it is a 2048 GiB image |
| 20:25.31 | stew | err s/image/filesystem/g |
| 20:25.42 | Diopter | MrTorque: You can force it to ignore the fsck requirement. |
| 20:25.55 | stew | MrTorque: is it possible that the partition table was edited to only be 2000GB AFTER the filesytem was created? |
| 20:25.58 | Diopter | I would like to note that I don't recommend doing this in general :P |
| 20:26.16 | MrTorque | Diopter: with resize2fs -f /dev/sdd1 = |
| 20:26.18 | MrTorque | ? |
| 20:26.19 | stew | i wonder if the extra bits are still on the disk on the other side of the partition and the partition just needs to be resized |
| 20:26.32 | Diopter | MrTorque: Might be useful to run "resize2fs -P /dev/sdd1" first, to print the 'minimum size' of the filesystem. |
| 20:26.36 | MrTorque | stew: i do not know. |
| 20:26.54 | MrTorque | Diopter: Estimated minimum size of the filesystem: 280120264 |
| 20:27.00 | Diopter | stew: That's a slightly better theory than resize2fs getting run with the wrong bigger size, imo. |
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| 20:27.35 | MrTorque | Diopter: so the minimum size is bigger than the patition size? |
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| 20:27.37 | Diopter | stew: Especially since the partition is Exactly 2000TB. That looks like a manual entry by someone "doing the right thing(tm)" |
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| 20:27.45 | nsadmin | stew, and your theory allows for some hope of recovery |
| 20:28.08 | MrTorque | dmesg: 280120264*8/1024/1024 |
| 20:28.15 | sacredchao | I ended up with a ~/.xsessions_error that is 40+ GB |
| 20:28.20 | stew | dpkg: 280120264*8/1024/1024 |
| 20:28.21 | dpkg | 2137.148010253906 |
| 20:28.22 | MrTorque | dpkgg: 280120264*8/1024/1024 |
| 20:28.30 | Diopter | MrTorque: That's likely in kiB (1024 bytes), which is 280GiB |
| 20:28.34 | sacredchao | I just deleted it but it seems that df -h shows the space is still being used! |
| 20:28.35 | MrTorque | ah, thanks. |
| 20:28.39 | Diopter | MrTorque: Does that sound reasonable for how much you have in use? |
| 20:29.05 | Diopter | sacredchao: Are you sure you deleted it, and didn't move it to the trash or similar? |
| 20:29.16 | nsadmin | sacredchao, wholly shiznit :) |
| 20:29.33 | MrTorque | Diopter: no, it is too small. |
| 20:29.47 | MrTorque | df -h tells me (after mount /dev/sdd1): /dev/sdd1 2.0T 1.1T 862G 55% /backup |
| 20:30.12 | Diopter | sacredchao: You can "du -hd 1 | sort -h" in your home directory to get an overview of what directory trees have how much |
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| 20:30.39 | Diopter | sacredchao: If I had to guess, you're using KDE with debugging on, which is the only time I know of .xession_errors getting massive |
| 20:30.52 | Diopter | sacredchao: So you probably have the file stuck in some .Trash folder or some nonsense |
| 20:30.53 | tash | does anyone know when EOL is for Squeeze? |
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| 20:30.59 | nsadmin | Diopter, does du mean tib by t? |
| 20:31.14 | tash | or maybe a link to see EOL for Debian? |
| 20:31.19 | jhutchins_lt | tash: Since it's determined by wheezy's release date, no. |
| 20:31.31 | Diopter | nsadmin: Yes. --si is required for powers of 1000 |
| 20:32.20 | tash | jhutchins_lt: oh, ok |
| 20:32.22 | Diopter | Unfortunately, lots of userland utilities are still inconsistent about prefixes |
| 20:32.29 | tash | how about a wheezy release date? announced yet? |
| 20:32.30 | Diopter | But most of them let you specify which you want, at least |
| 20:32.37 | nsadmin | that is unfortunate |
| 20:32.46 | stew | tash: its one year after wheezy is released, but nobody can predict wheezy's release date until a few days before the release |
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| 20:33.09 | nsadmin | when the ftp masters say "here it comes" |
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| 20:33.21 | stew | you mean release team |
| 20:33.29 | tash | stew: gotcha, thanks |
| 20:33.35 | stew | they are the ones that tell us they are ready |
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| 20:33.45 | stew | and then we all agree on a date when everyone has a free enough weekend |
| 20:33.49 | MrTorque | So what does the minimum size of the partition (resize2fs -P /dev/sdd1) mean? would it be resized to 200GB and be too small thus? |
| 20:34.05 | Diopter | MrTorque: It means that you can resize it down that far, if you so choose. |
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| 20:34.17 | nsadmin | stew, do they allow time for the mirror pulse to complete? |
| 20:34.18 | Diopter | MrTorque: The fact that you think it's ~3x smaller than the data you actually have is a bit concerning. |
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| 20:34.45 | stew | nsadmin: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 20:34.49 | MrTorque | Diopter: i use incremental backup on that device. maybe that is the reason? |
| 20:34.50 | Diopter | MrTorque: If you don't include a size, it will defalut to the size of the partition, whatever it is. |
| 20:35.01 | Diopter | MrTorque: Could be, if your incremental backup system is creating sparse files. |
| 20:35.09 | Diopter | MrTorque: In that case, df would disagree with du. |
| 20:35.21 | Diopter | MrTorque: Not sure what resize2fs -P would go off of with sparse files... |
| 20:35.24 | frostschutz | man resize2fs, KNOWN BUGS The minimum size of the filesystem as estimated by resize2fs may be incorrect |
| 20:35.31 | Diopter | lulz |
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| 20:35.36 | MrTorque | Diopter: i want to try to resize the partition to 1.9TB |
| 20:35.36 | Diopter | Probably in the case of sparse files :P |
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| 20:35.55 | Diopter | MrTorque: I don't suggest giving it a size, if you're going ot force it. I suggest just letting it try to adjust to the partition size itself. |
| 20:36.20 | MrTorque | is resize2fs /dev/sdd1 2900000000 correct? |
| 20:36.21 | stew | nsadmin: i mean that the release team is the one deciding that it is time to release, not the ftp team. when they do, we all agree (where we is release, ftp, cd) agree on a weekend. then release team does a final britney run, ftp team changes the release around, we push to kassia, cdteam starts building, and then its a big waiting game for way too many isos to be generated |
| 20:36.34 | stew | MrTorque: hold on a second |
| 20:36.36 | frostschutz | and ext can't be resized at all sometimes, or just a limited number of times. it's a bit odd :) |
| 20:36.42 | Diopter | MrTorque: No, it's not. |
| 20:36.43 | MrTorque | okay, so i use resize2fs -f /dev/sdd1? |
| 20:36.50 | stew | Diopter: don't you thihnk that he should try moving the partition boundary before altering the filesytem? |
| 20:36.59 | foliv0ra | Hello, I've got problems installing new kernel, since grub can't find my /dev/sys1 disk. I looked in to /boot/grub/device.map and it is empty. After that I tried to put there (hd0) /dev/disk/by-uuid/ but it complains still the same. Any ideas ? |
| 20:36.59 | stew | MrTorque: i think you should hol don a second |
| 20:37.06 | stew | hold on* that is |
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| 20:37.09 | Diopter | MrTorque: I wouldn't do anything just yet. |
| 20:37.14 | frostschutz | you should make a backup first |
| 20:37.25 | stew | Diopter: in the off chance that good bits are on the wrong side of the partition boundary? |
| 20:37.27 | Diopter | stew: I think that could make some sense, but there's not a lot of wiggle room there, given the msdos limitation. |
| 20:37.57 | stew | what we really need is a backup :) |
| 20:37.58 | Diopter | stew: Easy enough to try, for sure. Just delete and recreate the partition. |
| 20:38.02 | frostschutz | msdos limitation? use losetup with offset instead of partition then |
| 20:38.02 | stew | right |
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| 20:38.35 | Diopter | MrTorque: I believe our committee has reached a consensus. You should try recreating the partition as the biggest it can be, first. |
| 20:38.36 | MrTorque | what is it about the losetup? |
| 20:38.42 | n-iCe | Hello, anyone have found where can I configurate when the laptop cover closes |
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| 20:38.44 | n-iCe | In gnome3 |
| 20:39.04 | MrTorque | Diopter: recreating the partition works with fdisk? |
| 20:39.06 | nsadmin | frostschutz, not sure he has space for backup... and, if as stew suggests there are sectors written outside the partition, an image backup of the partition woudln't take them into account, and he may have to image the whole drive |
| 20:39.07 | Diopter | n-iCe: Um... brightness and lock? |
| 20:39.24 | Diopter | MrTorque: "works" is a strong word. It's just our best idea for the next thing to try with the least risk :P |
| 20:39.26 | MrTorque | frostschutz: i do not have the space for such a huge Backup |
| 20:39.34 | n-iCe | Diopter: well, when I close the laptop it suspeds I want oto change it to do nothign |
| 20:39.48 | Diopter | MrTorque: We believe you have some extra room at the end of your existing partition that you could resize the partition into -- not the filesystem, just the partition. |
| 20:39.55 | Diopter | MrTorque: At worst, nothing will change. |
| 20:40.10 | Diopter | MrTorque: The way you 'resize' just a partition is just to recreate it. |
| 20:40.21 | MrTorque | Diopter: correct, i hava about 900 GB left there |
| 20:40.35 | Diopter | MrTorque: No, that's not all useable in the msdos partition table. |
| 20:40.50 | Diopter | MrTorque: We're referring to maybe 100-200GB at most. |
| 20:40.59 | Diopter | Anyhow, it's easy to try. |
| 20:41.07 | stew | MrTorque: we think you have a little under 48gb still usable by the msdos partition table which is not part of the partition yet |
| 20:41.13 | nsadmin | he would just reset the end? |
| 20:41.26 | Diopter | Delete partition, recreate (make sure you don't change the starting point), make it as big as it can possibly be |
| 20:41.37 | stew | and frostschutz might be correct that he can leave the partition table alone and just use losetup |
| 20:41.40 | frostschutz | MrTorque: losetup -o offset --sizelimit total /dev/loop0 /dev/disk - then you can use /dev/loop0 instead of /dev/disk5 if you provided the correct offset and total in bytes. then you could resize2fs that. but at your own risk :P :) |
| 20:41.46 | Diopter | First step would be to use fdisk to dump the partition table so you can easily restore it. |
| 20:41.53 | nsadmin | go into sector units, print the partition table, save the text |
| 20:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | Why does the partition start past the beginning of the disk? |
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| 20:42.39 | frostschutz | MrTorque: parted /dev/disk u b p prints the offsets and sizes in bytes |
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| 20:42.54 | MrTorque | Diopter: if you help me i will try it. |
| 20:43.06 | MrTorque | lol, in man fdisk: "The option .dump partition table to file. is missing." |
| 20:43.09 | MrTorque | hm.... |
| 20:43.16 | stew | it starts at sector 1 |
| 20:43.23 | MrTorque | what about frostschutzs solution? should i try first? |
| 20:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | Not 0 |
| 20:43.25 | frostschutz | MrTorque: for msdos, use sfdisk -d |
| 20:43.28 | chipotle | how do i see which version of php i have installed? |
| 20:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | chipotle: dpkg -l | grep php? |
| 20:43.53 | stew | frostschutz: he can just leave off sizelimit and get the whole thing, right? it doesn't matter if it is bigger than the filesystem |
| 20:44.10 | chipotle | ok |
| 20:44.13 | chipotle | thx |
| 20:44.13 | nsadmin | 0 would be the mbr tho |
| 20:44.24 | frostschutz | stew: yes but a wrong resize2fs invocation will then write far beyond the end of the partition... |
| 20:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 20:44.34 | MrTorque | chipotle: create index.php with content <?php phpinfo(); ?> and call it in browser. |
| 20:44.47 | stew | frostschutz: yeah, I don't think we want to resize the fs, i think we just want to see if it will fsck with the new size |
| 20:44.54 | Diopter | stew, frostschutz: No size specification on resize2fs just sizes it to the partition size. |
| 20:44.59 | stew | frostschutz: and if it will, he can just resize the partition to 2048G |
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| 20:45.08 | Diopter | The current issue is that fsck won't work, with primary or backup superblocks. |
| 20:45.17 | Diopter | So in order to try resize2fs, it needs to be forced. |
| 20:45.17 | stew | Diopter: yeah, i was assuming we just want to "fsck -n" and see what happens |
| 20:45.42 | Diopter | I'd rather resize2fs -f first and try to get ext3 to at least not think it has inodes it doesn't before fscking :P |
| 20:46.01 | stew | "fsck -n" is readonly |
| 20:46.02 | stew | right? |
| 20:46.15 | MrTorque | i write the output of sfdisk -d /dev/sdd into a file, correct? |
| 20:46.16 | stew | err its fsck -N |
| 20:46.20 | frostschutz | in that kind of situation, you're fscked either way :) |
| 20:46.37 | Diopter | fscking filesystems |
| 20:46.51 | Diopter | MrTorque: Yeah, you're dumping the table to be able to restore if needed. |
| 20:46.58 | Diopter | MrTorque: Assuming you're going to try recreating the partition first |
| 20:47.01 | Diopter | Which I still recommend |
| 20:47.15 | MrTorque | Diopter: it looks weird. there are entrys with 0 in it o.O |
| 20:47.22 | stew | i think he just wants "losetup -o 512 /dev/loop0 /dev/sdd", then "fsck -N /dev/loop0" |
| 20:47.23 | MrTorque | have a look: http://pastebin.com/5jsC5hGB |
| 20:47.27 | Diopter | Orly |
| 20:47.45 | Diopter | MrTorque: That's not weird. That's just how msdos works. It always has 4 entries. |
| 20:47.59 | MrTorque | okay. |
| 20:48.07 | Diopter | Well, rather, it IS weird |
| 20:48.09 | Diopter | But it's also right :P |
| 20:48.21 | nsadmin | MrTorque, you're just not using 3 of them |
| 20:48.21 | MrTorque | what about stews last command? |
| 20:49.17 | Diopter | Well, that would allow you to attempt to non-destructively fsck |
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| 20:49.34 | Diopter | Which might provide some insight into attempting to do a real fsck using loop devices. |
| 20:49.44 | nsadmin | what happened to expanding the partition to take the rest of the msdos room? |
| 20:49.44 | stew | uh, what is start=63? |
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| 20:50.14 | Diopter | stew: Pretty common, from what I've seen. |
| 20:50.20 | Diopter | nsadmin: I still think it's a good thing to try. |
| 20:50.30 | nsadmin | stew, that's the room at the start of the drive for things like chainload and grub |
| 20:50.40 | stew | Diopter: but how many bytes is that? |
| 20:50.41 | MrTorque | Diopter: oaky, than let's do it. |
| 20:51.01 | frostschutz | 63*512 bytes |
| 20:51.10 | Diopter | 32256 |
| 20:51.12 | nsadmin | Diopter, ok, so that would be a read only test? |
| 20:51.25 | stew | MrTorque: so with my losetup command, it shoudl be -o 32256 |
| 20:51.30 | Diopter | nsadmin: Right, with the -N. |
| 20:51.43 | nsadmin | worth a shot |
| 20:51.54 | frostschutz | if you want guaranteed read only you can make the loop device itself readonly also |
| 20:51.54 | nsadmin | prepare for huge output... ;) |
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| 20:51.58 | MrTorque | so, first the losetup thing? |
| 20:51.58 | kingsley | Is there a more robust power point reader than Open Office's? |
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| 20:52.46 | Somelauw | ms-office |
| 20:52.50 | MrTorque | losetup -o 32256 /dev/loop0 /dev/sdd |
| 20:52.54 | MrTorque | fsck -N /dev/loop0 |
| 20:52.55 | Diopter | stew: "The maximum (and usual given todays disk sizes and LBA) sectors per cylinder is 63, which leaves 62 sectors free after the MBR (31,744 bytes)." |
| 20:52.57 | MrTorque | fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
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| 20:53.03 | MrTorque | [/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /dev/loop0] fsck.ext3 /dev/loop0 |
| 20:53.16 | MrTorque | not really much output i think! |
| 20:53.20 | Diopter | stew: Apparently grub stores stage 1.5 there, so partitioning utilities for msdos disklabels assume they should start at sector 63 |
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| 20:53.54 | Diopter | MrTorque: That's exciting. |
| 20:54.06 | MrTorque | Diopter: is it? Why that? |
| 20:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | notes that it's not refusing to run. |
| 20:54.20 | chipotle | how do i force a specific older version in aptitude? |
| 20:54.27 | chipotle | i've already set up the ppa for the older version |
| 20:54.42 | jhutchins_lt | chipotle: Remove the newer version, install the old. |
| 20:54.45 | chipotle | now i want to install php5.2.x and all related packages from this version, not the latest |
| 20:55.01 | chipotle | jhutchins_lt: how do i make sure it installs the dependencies for the 5.2 version and not 5.3? |
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| 20:55.10 | MrTorque | should i try e2fsck -n /dev/loop0 |
| 20:55.13 | MrTorque | ? |
| 20:55.20 | nkuttler | chipotle: ppa? with debian? |
| 20:55.30 | Diopter | MrTorque: what happens if you fsck -N /dev/sdd1? |
| 20:55.31 | stew | Diopter: yeah, i just wanted to verify that 512 was the right multiplier |
| 20:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: They call them that. |
| 20:55.39 | chipotle | nkuttler: it doens't work? |
| 20:55.55 | MrTorque | fsck -N /dev/sdd1 |
| 20:55.56 | MrTorque | fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 20:55.56 | MrTorque | [/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /backup] fsck.ext3 /dev/sdd1 |
| 20:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | chipotle: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:56.03 | nkuttler | jhutchins_lt: the php people? |
| 20:56.08 | Diopter | MrTorque: So the same output. |
| 20:56.19 | Diopter | My guess is -N isn't "read-only", but rather "pretend to run" :P |
| 20:56.31 | Diopter | And our losetup didn't do much of note. |
| 20:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: No, people familiar with ppa's who set up personal repos for debian. |
| 20:56.44 | Diopter | I think the next step is to recreate the partition as large as it can be. |
| 20:56.44 | MrTorque | the manual tells: -N Don.t execute, just show what would be done. |
| 20:57.01 | Diopter | There's no call to go reading manuals and such! ;P |
| 20:57.02 | nkuttler | oh *he* has set up the ppa.. |
| 20:57.08 | MrTorque | you mean maybe -n (lower-case) |
| 20:57.24 | nkuttler | chipotle: yeah, remove old, install older... good luck |
| 20:57.29 | Diopter | MrTorque: Yeah, you are correct. |
| 20:57.30 | stew | oh, i was hoping that fsck -N would show what would be fixed |
| 20:57.43 | MrTorque | Diopter: so i should try that first? |
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| 20:58.09 | Diopter | Guess so. |
| 20:58.23 | stew | do people agree that "fsck -n /dev/loop0" should be next? |
| 20:58.58 | Diopter | For the ext3 checker, that should be fine. |
| 20:59.00 | MrTorque | Diopter, stew: i am running with -n and, tatatat, i do not get the same error! |
| 20:59.14 | Diopter | MrTorque: Paste it up? |
| 21:00.22 | stew | MrTorque: if that fsck actually seems to work, then one of the next things to do might be "find the guy that altered the partition table, and give him a stern talking to" |
| 21:00.36 | tash | so based on historical releases, what would one guess for the release of Wheezy? I don't need specifics and I know it could change or not even be close to accurate, but what would you guys estimate for Wheezy? couple months from now? a year from now? |
| 21:00.42 | MrTorque | I pasted two runs, look closely: http://pastebin.com/WqcjCFdu |
| 21:00.52 | stew | tash: 2012 or 2013 |
| 21:00.58 | tash | ok, thanks |
| 21:01.03 | tash | haha |
| 21:01.25 | Diopter | MrTorque: Yep, looks like your partition table got altered. I would Now try recreating the partition larger, first |
| 21:01.40 | Diopter | Then see if you can successfully fsck -n /dev/sdd1 |
| 21:01.49 | stew | wait, you haven't completed a run on /dev/loop0? |
| 21:02.02 | MrTorque | Diopter: recreating means deleting the partition table and create a new one, correct? |
| 21:02.48 | stew | i mean, we kinda knew we were fixing the "physical size of the device is 488283618 blocks", the question i had was whether or not it would freak out about the new 48 GB of stuff we are now letting it see |
| 21:02.54 | MrTorque | I cancle the fsck run |
| 21:03.03 | Diopter | stew: Are you suggesting resize2fs on /dev/loop0 since the loop driver can access all of the disk? |
| 21:03.14 | stew | no |
| 21:03.26 | Diopter | I'm actually thinking that's a pretty decent idea, to be honest :P |
| 21:03.33 | Diopter | The loop driver won't be limited by the partition system. |
| 21:03.48 | Diopter | It's accessing /dev/sdd directly, and resize2fs should be able to move all of its inodes |
| 21:03.56 | stew | i think his partition table can be resized to match the filesystem size. my question is whether or not fsck can give us an idea if the new 48 gbs actually seems to contain valid data |
| 21:04.12 | Diopter | Sure. Step one would be to complete an fsck on /dev/loop0 |
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| 21:04.40 | MrTorque | Diopter: so i cancle the -n run and run it without this option. |
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| 21:05.18 | stew | oh, i did forget about how long this can actually take on a 2tb volume :) |
| 21:05.30 | Diopter | MrTorque: I believe that is the consensus now, yes. It makes good sense. |
| 21:05.39 | Diopter | You can expect to be waiting a bit, though. Especially since it's ext3 :P |
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| 21:06.12 | stew | if we are going to actually modify the filesystem, it probably doesn't matter if it is on /dev/loop0 or on the real partition after resizing it, but whatever |
| 21:06.20 | MrTorque | Diopter: okay, i will let run the check. what are the next steps? or can we talk tomorrow again? |
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| 21:07.36 | Diopter | stew: Well I'm thinking: A) fsck on /dev/loop0, so the partition table is irrelevant, B) resize2fs /dev/loop0 to a size < the partition size by specifying it, C) optionally recreate the partition to the slightly larger size possible, D) resize2fs /dev/sdd1 with no size specified so it sizes up to the (possibly new) partition size |
| 21:07.40 | MrTorque | and, btw, what fs would run fsck faster? ext4? |
| 21:07.53 | Diopter | That way if there is valid data present past the partition boundary, it isn't lost in fsck'ing or resizing |
| 21:08.06 | Diopter | That's what I would do from here, MrTorque :) |
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| 21:08.22 | Somelauw | Should I do a aptitude safe-upgrade or an aptitude full-upgrade or should I not upgrade and wait for the packages to require it? |
| 21:08.48 | Diopter | MrTorque: ext4 is superior in dozens of ways to ext3. The fsck speed difference isn't major, iirc, but still present. |
| 21:09.04 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:09.27 | stew | Somelauw: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:09.48 | Somelauw | stew: stable |
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| 21:10.07 | MrTorque | Diopter: your list contains a sequence although you used letters? |
| 21:10.08 | stew | Somelauw: then typically full-upgrade should never be required, until perhaps you move to the next stable release |
| 21:10.36 | Diopter | MrTorque: Yep! Letters are sequency too ;P |
| 21:10.37 | stew | Somelauw: because packages are not typically added/removed to/from stable |
| 21:10.37 | Somelauw | stew: I want to switch to testing or at least use newer packages. |
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| 21:11.14 | stew | Somelauw: then you'll follow a similar procedure that you would for moving from one stable release to the next |
| 21:11.17 | jhutchins_lt | Somelauw: Add a partition, install testing on it. Keep stable for when it breaks. |
| 21:11.31 | Somelauw | So, once I change sources.list I wonder if I should do an upgrade or wait until packages require it. |
| 21:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:11.37 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 21:11.39 | MrTorque | Diopter: wouldnt it be better to run e2fsck with the -p option? |
| 21:11.41 | stew | Somelauw: but typically we wouldj recommed using backports + stable, and not using testing |
| 21:12.21 | Somelauw | stew: How to do a backport? |
| 21:12.26 | stew | Somelauw: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:12.33 | Diopter | MrTorque: If you like. It will prompt you for repairs if you don't I believe, but -p makes it automatic. |
| 21:12.51 | MrTorque | hehe, people, what do you say to that: mount /dev/loop0 /backup works :) I can access the backup i need :P |
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| 21:13.38 | abrotman | Somelauw: more specifically, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 21:13.49 | MrTorque | shouldnt it be possible then to just modify the partition to start at different sector? as the losetup command did? |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | Somelauw: but only if you want to make your own, backports.debian.org has a fair number |
| 21:14.15 | abrotman | (pre created |
| 21:14.31 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: Restore the files NOW while it's working. |
| 21:14.59 | Somelauw | abrotman: How do I use one from backports.debian.org? Is there a way to do it without browser? |
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| 21:15.48 | Somelauw | Nevermind, the website has instructions. |
| 21:15.53 | abrotman | Somelauw: there are instructions there, they're simple to follow .. you can use a text browser to read them |
| 21:16.39 | stew | MrTorque: no, we didn't modify the start, we just took of the end limitation |
| 21:16.49 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: yes, i will copy the data i need. |
| 21:16.53 | stew | MrTorque: you would want to recreate the partition still starting at 1, but with a maximal size |
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| 21:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | stew: How does he address converting the msdos partition table to the new format? |
| 21:17.40 | MrTorque | stew: could a system restart be the reason for messing with the partition table? |
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| 21:19.17 | stew | jhutchins_lt: since the current patition table doesn't contain anything useful, he could probably just create a GPT now, but I'm not sure he needs to because I believe that a msdos parititon table with a single maximally sized partition would work here |
| 21:19.26 | stew | MrTorque: no, i belive some human fat fingered this |
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| 21:19.54 | MrTorque | :/ |
| 21:20.45 | MrTorque | How much work is it to resize the partition? is it only resize2fs -f /dev/sdd1? |
| 21:20.45 | stew | MrTorque: what is you eventual goal here? to make use of the whole disk? just use this 2tb filesystem as is? |
| 21:20.58 | tremon | imho if the answer is "a msdos partition table with a single maximally sized partition", there is always a better answer "just use the raw unpartitioned device", unless the question involved software from Redmond |
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| 21:21.34 | stew | MrTorque: you don't want -f and you'll need to give it an actual size |
| 21:22.07 | stew | tremon: he already has a filesystem on the device |
| 21:22.27 | tremon | pl |
| 21:22.32 | MrTorque | short-dated: just access the files, then use 2tb as is; medium-dated: use gpt and LVM |
| 21:22.33 | tremon | ugh... ok |
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| 21:23.17 | stew | tremon: he has a slightly less than 2048 gb filesystem which starts 63 blocks into the disk, right now the disk has a single 2000gb partition, which is why we have it mounted through a loopback with offset |
| 21:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | I think if he sets up a proper GPT he's less likely to have some odd piece of software misunderstand the situation and screw things up again. |
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| 21:24.17 | stew | just as long as the GPT definitely ends up in the first 63 blocks |
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| 21:25.02 | stew | (or after the first 2 tb) |
| 21:25.24 | stew | which looks like it is the case |
| 21:25.26 | tremon | iirc, gpt also places a backup copy at the end of the disk. If the current partition extends unto the last sector, you'll corrupt the fs by converting to gpt |
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| 21:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: It's a 2g partition on a 3g disk, so he's safe there. |
| 21:26.02 | stew | it looks like gpt uses the first 3 blocks and the last X blocks |
| 21:26.03 | tremon | most of the time though, the last few sectors are unallocated |
| 21:26.07 | stew | err 4 blocks |
| 21:26.13 | tremon | ok :) |
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| 21:26.19 | stew | here the last 1 tb is unallocated :) |
| 21:26.25 | stew | or something like that |
| 21:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | I think I would recover the data then make a clean start. |
| 21:27.07 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: i think i will do that as well. |
| 21:27.25 | MrTorque | can i write through the loop-device? |
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| 21:28.13 | MrTorque | can i work with this solution for two or three days? Then i will buy an additional hdd to backup the backup :P |
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| 21:29.39 | nsadmin | MrTorque, seems redundundant... and, a good idea too |
| 21:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: I wouldn't trust it. It already bit you once. |
| 21:31.00 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: Since we don't really know what caused it to stop working, it's not really safe to leave it in this condition. |
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| 21:31.26 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: the question is: A) run without doing daily backups or B) write daily backups through the loop-device? |
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| 21:35.29 | Diopter | MrTorque: The loop device is a way to subvert the partition table. |
| 21:35.48 | Diopter | MrTorque: The filesystem knows how big it is, and the loop device thinks it's as big as the whole disk. |
| 21:35.54 | MrTorque | Diopter: and it is stable enought to write backups for two days? |
| 21:36.15 | Diopter | MrTorque: So it's about as safe as can be expected, and safER than continuing to use /dev/sdd1 |
| 21:36.37 | sacredchao | I ended up with a ~/.xsessions_error that is 40+ GB |
| 21:36.40 | sacredchao | I just deleted it but it seems that df -h shows the space is still being used! |
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| 21:36.51 | Diopter | sacredchao: I told you how to investigate this like an hour ago. |
| 21:36.54 | Diopter | sacredchao: Did you do what I said? |
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| 21:37.29 | sacredchao | Ah I didn't see your replies until now, sorry |
| 21:37.45 | sacredchao | I used the rm command on the CLI to delete it... |
| 21:37.48 | MrTorque | Diopter: sure i did read it. |
| 21:37.50 | sacredchao | ...would that go to the trash? |
| 21:38.08 | sacredchao | I am running KDE |
| 21:38.18 | MrTorque | Diopter: i thought being able to access the files now gives new (easier) solutions. |
| 21:38.20 | Diopter | sacredchao: No. I just made an assumption that you were using the GUI since I only know of KDE as a DE that blows up .xsession_error :P |
| 21:38.37 | sacredchao | I run KDE but use the CLI a lot |
| 21:38.51 | Diopter | MrTorque: Well, the loop device is identical to if you were magically able to create a partition that starts at sector 63 and goes to the end of your 3TB disk. |
| 21:38.58 | Diopter | MrTorque: Nothing more, nothing less. No real magic involved. |
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| 21:39.37 | Diopter | MrTorque: So /dev/loop0 gives you the whole disk, without involving partition tables. Meaning if the filesystem *is* in fact in good shape (thus I suggest you fsck it, still), it should work fine |
| 21:39.49 | sacredchao | Diopter: My "Trash" just has ~200MB of images in it |
| 21:40.10 | Diopter | sacredchao: Ok. So, first question, is your disk nearly full when you use df? |
| 21:40.20 | sacredchao | Yes |
| 21:40.25 | sacredchao | It is full |
| 21:40.35 | sacredchao | My /home logical volume is anyway |
| 21:41.11 | MrTorque | Diopter: i will work with your information to fix the problem. |
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| 21:41.46 | MrTorque | I am really glad you guys, Diopter, stew, frostschutz, and others, could help me :) |
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| 21:42.35 | Diopter | sacredchao: I suggest you run "du -hd1 | sort -h" in your home directory to see what's taking up how much actual space on the disk |
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| 21:42.53 | Diopter | sacredchao: ls -larS is also helpful for that |
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| 21:45.12 | oo_miguel | Can I simply download and install some kernel from kernel.org? or should i only use the kernel sources I can get as official debian package? |
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| 21:45.35 | sacredchao | Diopter: Everything looks normal except for the file I deleted which is not showing as free space |
| 21:45.37 | tremon | oo_miguel: yes, and yes |
| 21:45.44 | sacredchao | the gigantic .xsessions_error or whatever |
| 21:45.48 | nsadmin | Diopter what happened w/ MrTorque? |
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| 21:46.04 | MrTorque | nsadmin: i did say thank you all for helping me. |
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| 21:46.43 | nsadmin | MrTorque, curious as to where you're at right now |
| 21:47.02 | nsadmin | and, you're welcome |
| 21:47.05 | oo_miguel | tremon: huh |
| 21:47.33 | oo_miguel | it was exlusive OR :) |
| 21:47.36 | MrTorque | nsadmin: the problem was/is that the partition table is wrong. using losetup -o 32256 /dev/loop0 /dev/sdd gives me access to the files. |
| 21:48.11 | nsadmin | MrTorque. awesome! so you can copy what you need? |
| 21:48.13 | tremon | oo_miguel: yes, it's possible to build a kernel from kernel.org sources and have debian work with it. Yes, you should probably stick to debian-provided sources |
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| 21:49.26 | oo_miguel | the second yes means, that doing the first thing is not recommended |
| 21:49.26 | Somelauw | Can a backport be added for ranger? |
| 21:49.47 | nsadmin | oo_miguel, not so much.... but you can try it |
| 21:49.51 | tremon | oo_miguel: indeed, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to do |
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| 21:49.56 | MrTorque | 32256 is the startblock of the partition (startsector is 63, 63*512=32256). But, as far as i understand, the magic is using losetup which does not care about partition tables at all and it can access data written to the hdd outside the block-range in the partition table :) |
| 21:50.10 | oo_miguel | tremon: youre right thx |
| 21:50.20 | Diopter | MrTorque: Correct. |
| 21:50.23 | MrTorque | nsadmin: yes, i can do that as soon as i get another hdd which is huge enought :) |
| 21:50.38 | tremon | happily ran home-grown kernels between the 2.6.27 and 2.6.32 releases |
| 21:50.47 | MrTorque | Diopter: puh, i did understand a little :P |
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| 21:51.03 | MrTorque | It was hard to follow you in the discussion. |
| 21:51.12 | Diopter | >.> |
| 21:51.48 | nsadmin | MrTorque, so the original space for which the 3tb drive is a backup for, is now not enough to hold the files you had deleted? |
| 21:51.53 | MrTorque | But it was good you gave some kind of summary :) |
| 21:52.16 | Somelauw | If I switch to testing (because I'm too lazy for backports), what is the worst that could happen? |
| 21:52.25 | tremon | does anyone know the status of the real-time linux kernel patches, and whether they're available in debian? |
| 21:52.41 | Somelauw | I mean it can' t break internet access or the x-server or destroy a partition, can it? |
| 21:52.47 | educr0w | Hello, I've installed wicd, my SSID is hidden, wicd show s/x00/x00/x00/x00 etc.. always I have to click "connecto to hidden" and all those 00 became my ssid, is there a way to store that and wicd connects automatically ?? |
| 21:52.49 | sacredchao | Diopter: Someone else just told me that the file is just unlinked and won't actually be deleted until the app that made it is killed |
| 21:52.50 | nsadmin | Somelauw, keyboard falls on your cat? |
| 21:53.05 | sacredchao | Do you know which process creates .xsessions_error? |
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| 21:53.25 | tremon | Somelauw: yes, it can. A few months ago, an upgrade broke libc, so your system wouldn't even boot anymore if you upgraded at the wrong moment |
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| 21:53.32 | MrTorque | nsadmin: i backup about 500 GB of data (daily, weekly, monthly) and have about 800GB of backup data. But i can not copy 800GB to the hdd with the original data :/ |
| 21:53.38 | Diopter | sacredchao: That is likely the case. You should google for "kde debug .xsession_errors", so you can learn how to disable most of the debugging output |
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| 21:54.23 | oo_miguel | I guess ill start with : aptitude install linux-source-2.6 |
| 21:54.27 | nsadmin | MrTorque, ahh. having heard that, it's good you have more choices now |
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| 21:54.42 | craigevil | Somelauw, yes it can, X broke for lots of people in the past couple of weeks, fglrx, nvidia, etc |
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| 21:55.15 | tremon | oo_miguel: what's your use case? If you simply need a newer kernel for stable, 3.2 is in backports |
| 21:55.17 | MrTorque | Need to go now. Have a great evening/day and Thanks again :) |
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| 21:55.42 | nsadmin | MrTorque_afk, have fun |
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| 21:57.44 | Somelauw | craigevil: Is it very likely to run into such problems eventually? |
| 21:58.19 | oo_miguel | tremon: I have no particular use case, just wanted to experiment with building a leightweight kernel that exactly fits my needs |
| 21:58.21 | bardzusny | Somelauw: it will happen |
| 21:58.26 | craigevil | Somelauw, it is called testing for a reason, soon it will be frozen |
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| 21:58.46 | bardzusny | sooner or later you'll have to fix it or have non-functional system |
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| 21:59.18 | bardzusny | well, at least for unstable - but from what I hear here testing is not that much better (when not frozen) |
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| 21:59.48 | tremon | oo_miguel: ok, yes then just install linux-source and kernel-package and start playing with kconfig :) |
| 21:59.55 | Somelauw | I found http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ranger, but sudo aptitude -t squeeze-backports install ranger couldn' t find the package. |
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| 22:00.37 | oo_miguel | tremon: thank you :) |
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| 22:04.01 | rozz | When will Wheezy become stable? |
| 22:04.04 | tremon | oo_miguel: oh, and... man make-kpkg |
| 22:04.19 | tremon | rozz: when it's ready |
| 22:04.28 | rozz | tremon: Is there an expected date? |
| 22:04.37 | rozz | tremon: / approximation? |
| 22:05.37 | oo_miguel | how can I check which kernel module is currently responsible for some device (i.e. my wlan card) |
| 22:05.40 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 22:05.59 | oo_miguel | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
| 22:07.04 | Diopter | oo_miguel: Probably need firmware-iwlwifi for that |
| 22:07.06 | babilen | oo_miguel: run "lspci -knn" -- should be iwlagn IIRC |
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| 22:07.17 | tremon | rozz: the freeze is expected later this summer, which means a tentative release Q1 of next year |
| 22:07.56 | rozz | tremon: Thanks. |
| 22:08.05 | tremon | but I wouldn't be surprised if the freeze were postponed until September, or the release wouldn't happen until July next year |
| 22:08.06 | oo_miguel | it is iwlagn indeed |
| 22:08.33 | craigevil | Wheezy willl be released approx. one day before the Zombie Apocalypse takes place |
| 22:08.46 | tremon | ooh... now there's a day to plan for... |
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| 22:11.33 | stew | tremon: do you know of any concrete reasons the release would be postponed? |
| 22:11.52 | stew | and the freeze is expected to be before summer or in the first few days of summer |
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| 22:12.06 | stew | depending on your local hemisphere, of course |
| 22:13.00 | tremon | stew: dpkg multiarch delays for one, I'm also not sure which kernel is the next longterm one |
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| 22:15.21 | craigevil | 3.2 |
| 22:15.39 | tremon | ah, yes, hemispheres... I think the intention was the period around the Northern Solstice :) |
| 22:15.40 | Nik05 | .versions as |
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| 22:22.56 | Somelauw | In that case I will stick to stable for a while. |
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| 22:34.03 | hdb2 | I'm setting up a simple raid array (lvl 1 mirrored) with mdadm. all of the howto's show creating with mdadm --create <blah> /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2, which implies that there are already partitions on those devices?!? I did /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc with the intention of partitioning after the array has been created. did I screw up? |
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| 22:36.58 | Somelauw | tremon: Did that happen on unstable or on testing? |
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| 22:48.34 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions openbios-ppc |
| 22:48.37 | judd | Package: openbios-ppc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0+svn640-1; sid: 1.0+svn1047-1; wheezy: 1.0+svn1047-1 |
| 22:48.46 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions openbios-sparc |
| 22:48.47 | judd | Package: openbios-sparc on i386 -- lenny: 1.0~alpha2+20080106-2; squeeze: 1.0+svn640-1; sid: 1.0+svn1047-1; wheezy: 1.0+svn1047-1 |
| 22:49.22 | [TheFlash] | why isn't openbios-ppc in backports? |
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| 22:49.54 | [TheFlash] | it's a dependency of qemu-system |
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| 22:50.22 | [TheFlash] | so the qemu-system in backports in unusable (error: "Broken package") |
| 22:51.38 | themill | You can just grab those packages from wheezy and install them with dpkg -i. (but yes, it would be better if they were in backports) |
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| 22:52.51 | [TheFlash] | themill: i'll try that, thanks |
| 22:53.38 | [TheFlash] | themill: there's a possibility that qemu from squeeze-main is buggy |
| 22:53.39 | Somelauw | What do I need to do when there is no backport for ranger? |
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| 22:56.40 | stew | Somelauw: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:02.10 | Jaggz- | Can I setup something simple, like a loopback to use to hide my IP? I would set it up right on my own server but I want to hide my non-work IP when I access the work systems from remote (the purpose is because people post 3rd party things which I have to review, and if they do it deliberately they could house an image and get my IP when I review)... |
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| 23:03.06 | Diopter | Jaggz-: Do you mean you want to proxy your traffic through an intermediate machine? |
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| 23:03.28 | Jaggz- | yeah.. but is a full-on web proxy (like squid) necessary or can i just setup a pipe? |
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| 23:04.42 | Jaggz- | for instance, so I could telecommute I setup an ssh loopback (just local on a machine.. the ssh part is probably not necessary.. ) .. I setup my mail client to connect to some port on the machine, and it loops back to 53 on the server itself. |
| 23:04.52 | Jaggz- | no wait.. whatever mail's on.. |
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| 23:05.37 | Diopter | Jaggz-: 25 for SMTP. 53 is DNS. |
| 23:05.45 | Diopter | Jaggz-: And you can use ssh as a SOCKS proxy. |
| 23:05.51 | Jaggz- | ssh -g -L 1465:localhost:465 localhost '(echo -e "\n\nSMTP loopback running"; cat)' |
| 23:07.18 | Diopter | Jaggz-: '-D [address:]port' will make ssh behave as a SOCKS proxy, listening on the port you specify |
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| 23:07.51 | Jaggz- | the issue I'm having when I was going to setup this pipe is that this connects just to one destination ip/port.. but my browser will have to connect to a lot of them to access the site and images.. etc. |
| 23:08.54 | Jaggz- | cool |
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| 23:09.05 | Diopter | Jaggz-: Precisely what SOCKS is for. |
| 23:09.26 | nfbvieira | hey folks |
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| 23:10.07 | nfbvieira | i'm trying to use backports, but i'm not having luck |
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| 23:10.29 | nfbvieira | i've followed the instructions at http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 23:11.23 | nfbvieira | but when i do apt-get -t squeeze-backports install midori for example, i still get the version on stable |
| 23:11.39 | Jaggz- | what do you think about throwing cat in there.. for the purpose of it not sitting at an ssh shell on loopback.. ? |
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| 23:12.22 | craigevil | ,versions midori |
| 23:12.23 | judd | Package: midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.4.3-1; wheezy: 0.4.3-1 |
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| 23:12.46 | nfbvieira | judd, shouldn't i get the 0.4.3 when i use the backports? |
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| 23:13.12 | craigevil | nfbvieira, there is no backports version, and judd is a bot |
| 23:13.31 | judd | waves |
| 23:13.58 | nfbvieira | ops, sorry craigevil |
| 23:15.13 | nfbvieira | so should i use apt-pinning instead? |
| 23:15.22 | craigevil | nfbvieira, backport it yourself /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:16.28 | nfbvieira | hm... |
| 23:17.21 | nfbvieira | ok |
| 23:17.25 | nfbvieira | i'll try |
| 23:17.35 | nfbvieira | thanks a lot for your help craigevil |
| 23:17.41 | nfbvieira | i thought i was doing something wrong |
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| 23:29.30 | holt_kessler | hid3, is there a irc channel for deb netinstall? |
| 23:29.38 | holt_kessler | err,hi |
| 23:29.44 | blip2 | 0.o |
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| 23:30.15 | gnarface | holt_kessler: you're in it. what's the problem? |
| 23:30.16 | Cyclohexane | is it possible to limit bw+memory usage in a shell? |
| 23:30.55 | holt_kessler | oh hey gnarface -no problem alls well on this eeepc 900a except network manager |
| 23:31.57 | gnarface | holt_kessler: sorry i can't help you with network manager. it failed me one too many times so i just stopped using it |
| 23:32.01 | holt_kessler | it gives of a error (32) when you wish to join your own network -as in you don't have network priviliges |
| 23:32.34 | holt_kessler | it works great on my thinkpad just not on this eepc |
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| 23:32.40 | sudo_su | hello Debian! |
| 23:33.05 | holt_kessler | what ya usin' wicd or just the configuration file? |
| 23:33.06 | stew | holt_kessler: are you in the netdev group? |
| 23:33.24 | holt_kessler | yeah -first thing i checked |
| 23:33.25 | sudo_su | i'm noticed that RH pay for a key to M$. Is a little no ethic, for the SL. Debian and UEFI secure boot, Debian has plans? |
| 23:34.10 | holt_kessler | and all the talk about slim and gdm on the matter is baloney as i only use openbox and startx |
| 23:35.01 | holt_kessler | might be policykit or dbus -I just don't know --seems such a pity tho |
| 23:35.30 | sudo_su | hi? |
| 23:36.01 | stew | sudo_su: i didn't understand your question |
| 23:36.05 | stew | holt_kessler: yeah, hang on |
| 23:36.05 | gnarface | holt_kessler: just using the /etc/network/interfaces file directly. i admit it was a pain in the ass to locate the documentation on the correct syntax for various wifi connections, but that's only a pain in the ass once. network manager is an enduring pain in the ass |
| 23:36.47 | stew | holt_kessler: i have this in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.pkla : http://paste.debian.net/172906/ |
| 23:36.51 | sudo_su | stew: RedHat pay $99 for a key (for secure boot on Fedora 18). Debian has the same plans?, or respect the Free Software foundaments? |
| 23:36.58 | holt_kessler | gnarface, honestly on the thinkpad its a dream really --no fuss at all |
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| 23:37.23 | holt_kessler | stew --thanks I will look into it |
| 23:37.25 | gnarface | holt_kessler: even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day |
| 23:38.04 | holt_kessler | gnarface, yes but as I said... it works fine on that box |
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| 23:38.56 | sudo_su | stew: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/05/31/190217/red-hat-will-pay-microsoft-to-get-past-uefi-restrictions |
| 23:38.58 | sudo_su | about this |
| 23:39.06 | sudo_su | Debian Team, has the same plans or not?. |
| 23:39.43 | holt_kessler | maybe its that darn athk5 driver or firmware --tho I thought that was in all kernels after 2.6.xx |
| 23:39.43 | nfbvieira | craigevil, i'm following dpkg's steps, but having trouble doing aptitude build-dep midori |
| 23:39.57 | stew | sudo_su: i've never heard anything one way or the other. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project would probably be the place it was discussed. I'd certainly hope we would not pay for such a silly thing |
| 23:39.59 | nfbvieira | it says unable to find package |
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| 23:40.21 | stew | sudo_su: perhaps I don't understand what is involved, but I don't understand why debian would owe money to microsoft |
| 23:41.01 | nfbvieira | weird |
| 23:41.07 | craigevil | nfbvieira, did you add a sid line with deb-src to your sources.list? |
| 23:41.18 | nfbvieira | yes, i added it as last line |
| 23:41.20 | holt_kessler | oh man, are we back to that again |
| 23:41.39 | sudo_su | stew: no for debian, for RH, i use Fedora, and i think move to Debian, because I no tolerate M$ and comercial stuff, like Novel, opensuse, thanks |
| 23:41.40 | nfbvieira | and did the apt-get update after |
| 23:41.50 | craigevil | nfbvieira, and did apt-get update, then apt-get build-dep midori |
| 23:41.57 | nfbvieira | yes |
| 23:42.00 | gnarface | stew: basically they plan on turning UEFI *on* by default, which means only *Microsoft's* keys can sign boot software to allow booting. you *should* be able to still turn it off manually, but redhat is paying because they see the cost of supporting users through the explanation of how to change a firmware setting to turn UEFI *off* as more costly than just forking cash over to microsoft to get their shit licensed |
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| 23:42.39 | stew | gnarface: right |
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| 23:42.58 | gnarface | stew: i, like you, pretty much hope and assume that Debian will stand on principle |
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| 23:43.41 | stew | i'm not aware of this even being discussed by debian, but perhaps i missed it |
| 23:43.43 | sudo_su | gnarface: yes, true, and, i rm -rf fedora and any RH because this |
| 23:44.00 | gnarface | foresees new life being breathed into the ARM architecture as a direct fallout of this whole UEFI mess |
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| 23:44.14 | nfbvieira | craigevil, when it says "enable debian-backports", it's simply putting the backports deb line on sources.list, right? |
| 23:44.33 | educr0w | Hello, I've installed wicd, my SSID is hidden, wicd show s/x00/x00/x00/x00 etc.. always I have to click "connecto to hidden" and all those 00 became my ssid, is there a way to store that and wicd connects automatically ?? |
| 23:44.55 | Dulak | I don't think it will be too long before MS gets slapped with another monopoly investigation and lawsuits once that becomes a reality. Not that it will matter really, but anything that costs them money is good imo. |
| 23:45.03 | holt_kessler | hey stew,what exactly does that little snippet allow for --all takers on nm-applet available networks/users or what? |
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| 23:46.13 | stew | holt_kessler: people in the netdev group can do stuff with networkmanager |
| 23:46.46 | sudo_su | True, but Debian did nothing about it, I think Debian has other principles that RH does not have (freedom) |
| 23:46.51 | holt_kessler | any security considerations for it ya know of? |
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| 23:48.22 | stew | holt_kessler: i don't think this is any different than the policy you would have if running the gnome-shell or whatever |
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| 23:48.28 | holt_kessler | let me have a gander at mine on the thinkpad then --thanks for the pointer |
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| 23:50.01 | stew | holt_kessler: i think you could also run the gnome authentication-agent to acheive the same thing |
| 23:50.33 | stew | /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 |
| 23:51.06 | sparty | Hi! Is there a special channel for Sid ? |
| 23:51.35 | themill | sparty: /topic |
| 23:51.56 | sparty | themill: hmm thanks :-) |
| 23:52.28 | holt_kessler | ok thanks stew I'm also thinking maybe to consider the plain old config files in the near future --perhaps its the saner method to all these frontends with a mind of their own |
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| 23:54.47 | holt_kessler | bfn |
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| 23:58.27 | Kwerty | How would one go about changing the local IP? |
| 23:58.38 | Kwerty | LAN |
| 23:58.46 | craigevil | nfbvieira, take a look at https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/howto-get-newer-package-versions-for-debian-stable-34611/ |
| 23:58.48 | bardzusny | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 (example) |
| 23:58.55 | bardzusny | Kwerty: ^ ^^ |
| 23:58.57 | Kwerty | Thanks, bardzusny |
| 23:59.02 | Kwerty | Got that. ;) |
| 23:59.07 | stew | Kwerty: it is typically configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:59.13 | bardzusny | also, /etc/network/interfaces may be useful for something more permanent |
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