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| 00:00.26 | Kwerty | Thanks a lot, bardzusny and stew. |
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| 00:02.12 | elvis4526 | Hi there, is there someone using the mailutils package for email purpose? |
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| 00:06.54 | gnarface | dpkg, tell elvis4526 about someone |
| 00:07.28 | elvis4526 | Yes I understand, everyone tell me this at the same time. |
| 00:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | nono, you gotta use this factoid |
| 00:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, anyone using the mailutils package for email purpose |
| 00:07.59 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, it's gorn? |
| 00:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh |
| 00:08.31 | elvis4526 | Rohh... |
| 00:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, anyone use the mailutils package for email purpose |
| 00:08.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses the mailutils package for email purpose, not even the people who use it. |
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| 00:13.52 | Tired | anyway, the point about this was... if you have a question about whatever, just make up your mind and ask it. If someone knows the answer, they will tell you and also formulating the question is the first step for answering it |
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| 00:25.39 | r3m | Is there a default Compose key defined or i should dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 00:28.39 | desg | hey guys what do i do about broken packages |
| 00:29.56 | craigevil | either remove them or reinstall them |
| 00:29.58 | r3m | aptitude reinstall <package> |
| 00:29.59 | gnarface | r3m: i think i just run /usr/bin/xmodmap -e 'keycode 135 = Multi_key' or something like that in my ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:30.09 | desg | wow |
| 00:30.11 | r3m | gnarface: thanks |
| 00:30.13 | gnarface | r3m: there may be more to it than that but i am not sure |
| 00:30.20 | desg | how do i reinstall all the packages that sid broke? |
| 00:30.38 | burd | mwahaha! |
| 00:30.50 | gnarface | pours a beer for desg |
| 00:31.08 | burd | bellies up to the bar with a sympathetic ear |
| 00:31.35 | desg | gnarface: first debian install on my desktop sorry |
| 00:32.20 | gnarface | desg: well you're not gonna like this but i hope you have backups |
| 00:32.37 | desg | i just installed it today |
| 00:32.39 | burd | desg... I think there is a way but to be honest I would start over.. don't use sid as a beginner.. I wouldn't even recommend using testing as a beginner and it is by far less "broken" |
| 00:32.55 | stew | desg: you'll have to be more specific about what you mean by "broken packages" |
| 00:32.59 | desg | the old packages bug me |
| 00:33.10 | stew | desg: which old packages? |
| 00:33.17 | desg | i am coming from arch |
| 00:33.22 | gnarface | desg: if you can figure out which package(s) broke specifically it may help. but failing that the first step is to basically just dpkg --purge [packagename] where [packagename] is anything non-essential. you can see a list of currently installed packages with dpkg -l |
| 00:33.34 | desg | so i am used to having the latest packages |
| 00:33.41 | burd | Debian really isn't about cutting edge.. try ubuntu |
| 00:33.57 | stew | i'm not sure if that is good advice |
| 00:34.03 | burd | yah scratch that |
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| 00:34.26 | craigevil | burd, sid is 100% more 'stable' than any version of *buntu |
| 00:34.39 | stew | eh? |
| 00:34.52 | gnarface | desg: fyi you can use stable and if there are only a couple "old packages" that bug you, then you could consider backporting them (its easier than it sounds) |
| 00:34.54 | craigevil | and if he could handle Arch a little trial and error and he should be able to handle sid |
| 00:35.16 | burd | yah that wasnt the most sound advice |
| 00:35.29 | gnarface | is there some big transition in sid right now that's breaking lots of stuff? like that perl transition a while back? |
| 00:35.35 | craigevil | nope |
| 00:35.58 | desg | gnarface: http://sprunge.us/ReSM |
| 00:36.01 | gnarface | desg: fyi also, don't mix distros or debian versions, and be really wary about 3rd party sources in your apt |
| 00:36.07 | gnarface | desg: what's that? |
| 00:36.21 | desg | what it says when i try and install |
| 00:36.36 | craigevil | desg, pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:36.38 | desg | it says that for almost all the packages i try and install |
| 00:36.41 | gnarface | desg: please use paste.debian.net |
| 00:36.53 | desg | oh sorry |
| 00:36.55 | stew | gnarface: http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 00:37.17 | craigevil | ,versions python-software-properties |
| 00:37.18 | judd | Package: python-software-properties on i386 -- lenny: 0.60.debian-1.1; squeeze: 0.60.debian-3; sid: 0.82.4debian3; wheezy: 0.82.4debian3 |
| 00:37.22 | gnarface | stew: looks like he's having a problem with python then |
| 00:37.32 | stew | it doesn't look that way to me |
| 00:37.42 | craigevil | no he has a mixed sources.list |
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| 00:37.58 | desg | oh i see |
| 00:38.03 | desg | lemme paste my sources.list |
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| 00:38.48 | desg | http://paste.debian.net/172910/ |
| 00:39.04 | craigevil | desg, if you want to run sid here is how to do it, use the netinstall only install base/standard, change sources.list to unstable apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:39.43 | stew | desg: you don't want to run sid |
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| 00:40.17 | stew | desg: it looks like you never finidhed upgrading to wheezy. in order to upgrade to wheezy, you should be doing something similar to what you would do for a upgrade from one stable release to another |
| 00:40.22 | craigevil | desg, comment everything except lines 7 and 8, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:42.20 | desg | done craigevil |
| 00:42.43 | stew | desg: just note that things are often broken in testing, and testing doesn't typically get security support. you'll be on your own for getting security patches onto your box if security is important |
| 00:42.56 | stew | when things break in testing, they tend to break for longer than the other releases |
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| 00:43.06 | burd | facepalm moment of the day for me.. since I couldn't get the upgrade working from squeeze to wheezy.. I decided to just install wheezy.. little did i knwo the installer for i386 is broken.. mwahaha joke was on me! |
| 00:43.13 | desg | ah |
| 00:43.21 | desg | it's ok this is just a desktop |
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| 00:51.05 | abrotman | burd: double fail? |
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| 00:59.29 | burd | abrotman, totally |
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| 01:00.09 | desg | does the kernel upgrade in testing? |
| 01:00.19 | burd | desg, yes |
| 01:00.35 | desg | good |
| 01:00.45 | desg | hopefully it's not 3.3 |
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| 01:01.22 | burd | desg, i believe it is 3.2 atm |
| 01:01.38 | desg | ok because my graphics card breaks in 3.3 |
| 01:01.45 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 01:01.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 01:02.00 | abrotman | desg: it's kind of frozen now |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | in testing anyway |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | there will be some changes, but wheezy will release with a 3.2 + patches |
| 01:02.29 | stew | desg: I wouldn't expect much in the way of updates to the testing kernel until wheezy releases |
| 01:02.37 | stew | right |
| 01:03.06 | stew | desg: in fact, wheezy is about to become frozen, so for months there updates to testing should become incresingly rare |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | +a |
| 01:03.27 | desg | ok |
| 01:03.29 | nsadmin | desg, got a spare machine? it could be an experience to see just how "bad" stable is... you may find it's not appropriate for the desktop because you want newer eye candy or whatever... totally ok, no judgement... or you might find it's not that bad |
| 01:03.36 | abrotman | makes a rare correction to stew's typing/spelling mistakes :) |
| 01:03.49 | desg | i do but it's running fbsd |
| 01:04.15 | stew | abrotman: ask rcox how good I am at spelling |
| 01:04.44 | abrotman | stew: rcox would say you're just perfect :) |
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| 01:05.21 | Iridos | rarea? |
| 01:05.27 | Iridos | oh |
| 01:05.57 | WilsonBradley | After a recent update , I am getting Segfault with many things.. apt-update , synaptics, Update Manager, etc I have same problem when loggin in with different account, so I figured my past backups of my whole Home directory restore wouldn't help.. was right. |
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| 01:06.48 | abrotman | WilsonBradley: with which version of linux ? |
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| 01:07.05 | WilsonBradley | Ubuntu |
| 01:07.23 | abrotman | WilsonBradley: you realize this is #debian, right ? |
| 01:07.59 | WilsonBradley | Im a newbee.. I thought Ubuntu was built on Debian |
| 01:08.10 | mick_laptop | WilsonBradley: try #ubuntu |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | it may bre, but it is heavily modified, ask #ubuntu |
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| 01:10.21 | qxt | installed Debian from a netinstall ( businesscard) and then xfce. All is fine except one detail. When I start some programs ie synaptic I need to be root. OK fine so I installed "menu" . How do I get a gtk version of menu to work with xfce ? |
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| 01:10.41 | desg | oh man |
| 01:10.47 | desg | 3.2 breaks it also |
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| 01:12.10 | nsadmin | qxt, some programs do need root |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | desg: breaks what? |
| 01:12.47 | nfbvieira | anyone knows how to install the debchange utility? |
| 01:12.52 | desg | my graphics card |
| 01:13.09 | abrotman | which is ? |
| 01:13.14 | desg | gtx 550ti |
| 01:13.48 | nsadmin | installing packages (which is what synaptic does) puts stuff into places which are owned by root... and so you need root for that |
| 01:14.06 | abrotman | nfbvieira: in devscripts package .. /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 01:14.08 | stew | nfbvieira: its in the devscripts package |
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| 01:15.00 | nfbvieira | tks abrotman and stew |
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| 01:16.32 | dwon | wtf, why doesn't http://www.debian.org/ work over IPv6 yet? |
| 01:16.54 | dwon | I thought they already had v6 connectivity years ago. |
| 01:17.01 | Dagger2 | dwon: it does here |
| 01:17.33 | Dagger2 | www.debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:858:2:2:214:22ff:fe0d:7717 |
| 01:17.33 | Dagger2 | www.debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:41b8:202:deb:1a1a:0:52c3:4b61 |
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| 01:18.18 | abrotman | dwon: it does |
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| 01:18.38 | desg | abrotman: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785221 they have the same issue |
| 01:19.45 | dwon | Really? Their DNS server at 2001:8d8:580:400:6564:a62:0:4 isn't returning any AAAA records |
| 01:20.09 | dwon | nor is 206.12.19.113 |
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| 01:20.48 | nsadmin | qxt, so the reason for the menu package, is to provide any environment with a debian menu, maybe you've seen that menu before. |
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| 01:23.11 | nsadmin | there is that part of menu which collects the menu entries, then there are the parts of menu that understands specific environments like gnome, kde and those window managers that can have a menu added to it. |
| 01:23.30 | Dagger2 | hm, weird. all three of the v6 servers aren't returning an AAAA record here, but all three v4 servers are |
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| 01:24.43 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 01:24.49 | lenswipe | can someone explain this to me: http://imagebin.org/215159 ? |
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| 01:25.00 | lenswipe | whats with the green highlight on the file? |
| 01:25.06 | lenswipe | or rather the directory |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | lenswipe: the +s |
| 01:25.16 | nsadmin | xfce has been around a good long time, if there's not the part of menu that understands xfce, I'd consider that a bug in xfce |
| 01:25.20 | lenswipe | abramart, the what? |
| 01:25.25 | qxt | nsadmin back was making some coffee. Reading what you wrote. |
| 01:25.40 | stew | lenswipe: probably because it is g+s u+s |
| 01:25.40 | lenswipe | looks at his tab key |
| 01:25.43 | lenswipe | abrotman, * |
| 01:25.57 | lenswipe | stew, 1) what implications does that have? 2) how do i remove it? |
| 01:26.04 | lenswipe | the folder was created by apache |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | why do you need to remove it ? |
| 01:26.45 | lenswipe | what is it for? |
| 01:26.55 | abrotman | !tell lenswipe about permissions |
| 01:27.20 | lenswipe | abrotman, something is making the files appear with gray titles in netbeans and its bugging me and im fairly sure its that |
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| 01:27.26 | desg | abrotman: how do i downgrade the terminal |
| 01:27.42 | desg | i mena kernel |
| 01:27.51 | desg | kernel* |
| 01:27.58 | craigevil | you dont |
| 01:28.02 | craigevil | !downgrade |
| 01:28.02 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 01:28.09 | desg | guess i am SOL |
| 01:28.14 | nsadmin | you can install another kernel |
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| 01:28.19 | stew | lenswipe: g+s means that files created in the directory will inherit the group ownership from the directory, afaik u+s is meaningless |
| 01:28.31 | desg | oh? |
| 01:28.38 | qxt | nsadmin I have two computers using Debian with xfce. Was about a year ago when I set up the first one (excuse for forgetting). All the same it works fine with xfce and synaptic. Get a nice gtk field to enter my pw. Would think I did "something" with menu .. |
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| 01:28.57 | lenswipe | stew, interesting... |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | desg: what is exactly broken ? |
| 01:29.08 | desg | nsadmin: how would i do that |
| 01:29.19 | dwon | craigevil, desg: I don't think that's referring to kernel downgrades. Each kernel version is distributed as a separate package, so you should just be able to install the old version. |
| 01:29.20 | desg | the kernel/nvidia drivers |
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| 01:29.29 | nsadmin | what are the kernels available to you? |
| 01:29.49 | qxt | nsadmin maybe you have an idea what I did. In fact that is an open question to anybody. |
| 01:29.51 | desg | probably 2.6 and 3.2 |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | dwon: downgrades are still not supported .. |
| 01:30.09 | nsadmin | oh ok, and do you have both of those installed now? |
| 01:30.20 | stew | desg: did you already remove the stable kernel that you had before the upgrade? |
| 01:30.27 | desg | no |
| 01:30.34 | desg | 3.2 is installed though |
| 01:30.40 | stew | desg: so what is the question? |
| 01:30.47 | desg | how do i change kernels |
| 01:30.58 | stew | desg: do you not get a menu of kernels when you boot? |
| 01:31.12 | desg | my screen is black when i book |
| 01:31.20 | desg | boot* |
| 01:31.32 | stew | desg: are you using grub or grub2? |
| 01:31.35 | desg | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=785221 << that is the bug i get |
| 01:34.00 | nsadmin | ok, so you just have 3.2... realize that later kernels could install support packages which are for supporting such things as udev, which is the part which takes detected hardware and names it in /dev. sets ownerships and permissions. there are other aspects of the kernel which might need this kind of out-of-kernel-space support |
| 01:34.39 | stew | nsadmin: what does it mean for a kernel to install a support package? |
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| 01:35.11 | stew | wait, how did 2.6.32 get removed? |
| 01:35.23 | nsadmin | qxt, not sure what would happen if you tried to downgrade that stuff... and, it could be serious, you never know unless and until you look into it |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | gets the popcorn |
| 01:35.46 | desg | i could boot into a livecd and chroot in |
| 01:35.50 | desg | to check things out |
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| 01:36.11 | desg | but i am still going to have to change my kernel somehow to boot up the install |
| 01:36.14 | nsadmin | wait, who was it wants to downgrade? desg? |
| 01:36.19 | qxt | nsadmin downgrade? Why would I want do do that. |
| 01:36.28 | stew | i don't think anyone does |
| 01:36.34 | nsadmin | oops, not qxt |
| 01:36.37 | qxt | ahh |
| 01:36.38 | desg | on a arch install the 3.4 kernel fixed the problem |
| 01:36.43 | desg | not sure if it will on debian |
| 01:37.03 | stew | desg: if you are using grub2, you'd edit /etc/default/grub to change which kernel is loaded by default. if you are using grub you'd edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to change the default kernel |
| 01:37.13 | stew | desg: but its odd that you wouldn't get a grub menu at all |
| 01:37.25 | desg | no i get grub |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | unless it's not a debian grub |
| 01:37.31 | nsadmin | stew, can you still do savedefault? |
| 01:37.40 | desg | it's after the grub when modules start loading |
| 01:37.51 | stew | desg: can't you just choose the 2.6 kernel from the grub menu? |
| 01:37.59 | desg | that works |
| 01:38.21 | desg | but that would be just a temporary fix wouldn't it? |
| 01:38.23 | nsadmin | it does work? ok, umm, good then :) |
| 01:38.45 | nsadmin | temporary until what tho? |
| 01:38.55 | desg | a new kernel upgrade? |
| 01:39.19 | stew | desg: you can remove the 3.2 kernel, or you can change the default kernel that grub loads |
| 01:39.25 | nsadmin | just because it's available doesn't mean you would want to install it |
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| 01:40.22 | desg | yes |
| 01:41.07 | nsadmin | for example, it could turn out that the 2.6 kernel from squeeze works with all your devices and does everything else you want... |
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| 01:41.34 | nsadmin | and it could turn out that you use 2.6 until wheezy is released stable |
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| 01:42.24 | nsadmin | if 2.6 works now, you can keep that :) |
| 01:42.33 | stew | nsadmin: what does "kernels could install support packages" mean? Its not something I'm familiar with |
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| 01:43.09 | nsadmin | stew, there is a debian/control file... (am I going too fast?) |
| 01:43.17 | stew | ? |
| 01:43.29 | nsadmin | it has a field called Depends: |
| 01:43.45 | stew | ok |
| 01:44.01 | nsadmin | got it now? :) |
| 01:44.04 | stew | no |
| 01:44.19 | desg | yeah it worked when i booted using the 2.6 kernel |
| 01:44.30 | nsadmin | then you're purposly pretending to not understand |
| 01:44.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: no, actually, you're not making any sense |
| 01:44.55 | nsadmin | if not, then be specific: -exactly- what are you not understanding? |
| 01:45.13 | nsadmin | desg, are you not understanding anything I'm saying? |
| 01:45.26 | desg | sorry what did you say? |
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| 01:45.36 | desg | I was rebooting |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | nsadmin: have you actually looked at the Depends line of a kernel pcakage to define your "support packages" ? |
| 01:45.52 | stew | so the kernel installs packages. packages for supporting udev |
| 01:47.05 | nsadmin | you[re purposely pretending to not understand, and you do have the requisite knowledge |
| 01:47.54 | nsadmin | either have a normal conversation with me where you don't play those games or leave me alone |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | blinks |
| 01:48.41 | grumpy | grumbles |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | grumpy: you sohuld have "grumpied" :) |
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| 01:50.13 | rbrooks | nsadmin please state your question i will try to help |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | blinks |
| 01:50.32 | stew | nsadmin: ok. stop making shit up when you don't really know what you are talking about |
| 01:50.37 | grumpy | :{ |
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| 01:51.08 | craigevil | desg, you can always build a newer kernel, have you tried 3.4 |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | the trunk repo may have it already |
| 01:51.55 | nsadmin | he;s saying he did and it works, but I thought he also said 2.6 works |
| 01:52.02 | craigevil | abrotman, seperate repo? |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | well, the bot used to know .. |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | searches again |
| 01:52.32 | craigevil | im using the 3.3trunk from exp |
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| 01:55.59 | nsadmin | rbrooks, thank you for your support... the questions I have at the moment, are: how to get a service I'm introducing to squeeze (and insserv) to wait until all three of the net cards in the machine are completely ready and up and all routes are set up |
| 01:56.56 | nsadmin | also, I was trying to find out for someone here whether and how menu works with xfce (and I'll add lxde too) |
| 01:58.14 | craigevil | abrotman, deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main ? last i knew that wasnt being used |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | craigevil: yeah, the wiki says it's down .. yay ? |
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| 01:58.59 | rbrooks | i am still trying to find out why Debian flakes out when it cannot see gateway, and becomes unresponsive, ... |
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| 01:59.13 | rbrooks | iit could be done with bash script |
| 01:59.16 | abrotman | rbrooks: flakes out in what way? |
| 01:59.40 | craigevil | afaik the last time it was used was for 2.6.32-trunk-* |
| 01:59.43 | rbrooks | it becomes unresponsive, and takes a while for ssh to communicate |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | rbrooks: RDNS issues is what it sounds like |
| 01:59.59 | nsadmin | rbrooks, could be, lack of dns service makes things shaky |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | craigevil: yeah, i haven't looked there in awhile |
| 02:00.35 | burd | Or you can specify hosts in /etc/hosts and it will respond faster |
| 02:00.37 | rbrooks | ahh ok thats why it does that.. great. |
| 02:00.40 | rbrooks | thank you |
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| 02:01.21 | nsadmin | I have a dns server on my internal net which holds names for some key machines in my net so that they can ssh to other machines in the same subnet |
| 02:01.48 | nsadmin | rbrooks, welcome |
| 02:01.56 | rbrooks | nsadmin, i would think bash scripting could be used to do what you are trying to accomplish in first case but i am not sure of best strategy |
| 02:02.19 | nsadmin | rbrooks, are you running squeeze right now? |
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| 02:02.56 | nsadmin | reason I ask, is there's a file you could look at if so |
| 02:03.13 | rbrooks | i think it is squeeze, but server is non accessable atm |
| 02:03.34 | rbrooks | ok i can take note and try later if possible? |
| 02:03.35 | burd | what file |
| 02:03.48 | desg | welp |
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| 02:04.20 | desg | after i booted up the 2.6 kernel the same thing happened |
| 02:04.30 | desg | after a reboot that is |
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| 02:05.10 | nsadmin | oh, ok... sure :) I'll be happy for any true help I can get :) so, in many of the scripts in /etc/init.d/, there will be a "commented" section usually near the top that essentially communicates its part of the boot order |
| 02:05.25 | burd | k sec |
| 02:05.32 | craigevil | desg, what video card? |
| 02:05.38 | desg | 550ti |
| 02:05.41 | rbrooks | nsadmin, i can look no prob, but i have to change gateway, so i dc for a sec brb |
| 02:05.47 | jagginess | desg, welp? |
| 02:05.50 | jagginess | ? |
| 02:06.06 | nsadmin | oh, please take your time... if it's easier, I'll pastebin one |
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| 02:06.46 | nsadmin | you don't have to change your whole networking for me :) that you're willing to shows you're actually in service, and this is something I appreciate |
| 02:07.09 | burd | http://paste.debian.net/172917/ |
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| 02:08.03 | nsadmin | burd: yes, exactly that |
| 02:08.20 | nsadmin | and a complete file might look like... |
| 02:08.23 | burd | and.. |
| 02:08.27 | burd | :) |
| 02:09.04 | burd | Look there are docs for building init files\ |
| 02:09.17 | nsadmin | http://gist.github.com/2872054 |
| 02:09.45 | craigevil | !tell desg about nvidia dkms |
| 02:09.46 | rbrooks | nmaping i forgot where box at |
| 02:10.17 | nsadmin | burd, looked at them :) the thing is, I'm pretty sure that instead of waiting for the net to come up, it starts when the network startup starts |
| 02:11.00 | burd | nsadmin, you are right.. networking takes a little bit.. the switch alone may take seconds depending on what it is |
| 02:11.14 | rbrooks | there is scrip that run when net come up i think.. maybe set a flag, then when all flags set, run your program? |
| 02:11.39 | nsadmin | burd, some poking around revealed it's using a helper script to run things in parallel |
| 02:12.52 | desg | craigevil: i can't boot into my debian install now though :( i even tryed alt+f keys |
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| 02:13.55 | nsadmin | ahh, it's called startpar, and I think it's starting my script (which is for the old "ipmasq" package) with the networking startup, and it can't read the interfaces because at the time ipmasq is running, the interfaces are not set up yet |
| 02:14.54 | nsadmin | manually taking ipmasq down and back up again is all that's needed to get things working, but I'd rather not have to |
| 02:16.32 | burd | is this the unix variant? |
| 02:17.06 | burd | does ipmasq even exist anymore? |
| 02:17.45 | abrotman | exist yes, in Debian, no |
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| 02:18.07 | burd | crikey super trolled... -.- |
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| 02:19.29 | nsadmin | burd, I'm not sure if this behavior is intended or is a bug (if I say "start it -after-" and instead it starts it -during-. that's a bug) |
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| 02:19.55 | rbrooks | ok i finally found box what file nsadmin ? |
| 02:20.07 | burd | :D |
| 02:20.20 | nsadmin | burd, I'm foreporting it because I want it for my gateway... it works great too |
| 02:20.33 | nsadmin | just like it always did |
| 02:20.44 | burd | pulls out the hula hoop |
| 02:21.21 | rbrooks | it is 2.6.32 where/what is file that tells distro |
| 02:22.10 | nsadmin | rbrooks it can be telling but not by itself |
| 02:22.49 | nsadmin | burd, it's in lenny, I'm porting that version to squeeze |
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| 02:23.21 | J_Rey | define: existence |
| 02:23.41 | craigevil | desg, do you get a terminal prompt and is your system online? |
| 02:23.53 | desg | no and no |
| 02:24.19 | desg | it gets to the kernel modules then goes black |
| 02:25.02 | rbrooks | ok it is squeeze/sid |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | no such thing |
| 02:25.26 | rbrooks | cat /etc/issue |
| 02:26.00 | rbrooks | iunno that what it said |
| 02:26.07 | nsadmin | burd, also remember that you didn't initially state your intent as you were followed along... this was your choice; if you feel you got trolled because of it, the responsibility is yours |
| 02:26.15 | craigevil | desg, i would say screw it and install stable, or use a livecd and chroot, reinstall would be quicker |
| 02:26.22 | abrotman | rbrooks: then your system is woefully out of date |
| 02:26.30 | rbrooks | yes sir it is |
| 02:26.41 | desg | craigevil: that's what i am going to do tommorow |
| 02:26.50 | desg | been up to this for a couple of hours and i am tired |
| 02:26.58 | rbrooks | hmm, looks like i need to update |
| 02:27.20 | nfbvieira | I have this after a build-dep "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: valac ( 0.10)" |
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| 02:27.27 | desg | is there any guide on how to update to testing ? |
| 02:27.31 | nfbvieira | anyone knows a fix? |
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| 02:28.39 | nfbvieira | i've tried installing it manually, but no luck |
| 02:29.25 | craigevil | nfbvieira, its only in squeeze, make sure you have a deb-src line for squeeze |
| 02:29.32 | nsadmin | rbrooks, here's /etc/init.d/ipmasq, http://gist.github.com/2872148 |
| 02:30.31 | nfbvieira | still no luck craigevil |
| 02:30.35 | J_Rey | desg: you try boot parameter debug? |
| 02:31.06 | craigevil | nfbvieira, it happens, what are you trying to backport? |
| 02:31.14 | nfbvieira | midori :P |
| 02:31.20 | nfbvieira | (still) |
| 02:31.25 | nfbvieira | i've been fighting this |
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| 02:32.10 | nfbvieira | it gets a lot of dependencies, except for valac and libwebkit |
| 02:32.28 | craigevil | nfbvieira, i can tell you an easy way to get it, but its totally unsupported and shit may break |
| 02:32.47 | nfbvieira | hm :/ |
| 02:33.07 | craigevil | nfbvieira, grab midori from one of the debian based distros like solusos or mepis |
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| 02:34.09 | nfbvieira | that's a good idea |
| 02:34.10 | J_Rey | i.e. adding debug or loglevel=7 could show you more on the last thing ran when it freezes to give a hint as to why... |
| 02:34.27 | rbrooks | nsadmin, thank you! NAT is common i wonder why i wouldnt already have? |
| 02:34.28 | nfbvieira | i'll try that, thanks again |
| 02:34.30 | J_Rey | to GRUB config that is |
| 02:35.09 | craigevil | nfbvieira, i386 or amd64? |
| 02:35.23 | nfbvieira | 86 |
| 02:35.26 | nfbvieira | *386 |
| 02:35.40 | craigevil | nfbvieira, http://main.mepis-deb.org/mepiscr/repo/pool/main/m/midori/midori_0.2.7-1.1mlrepo1_i386.deb |
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| 02:36.04 | nfbvieira | 0.2.7 :/ |
| 02:36.19 | nfbvieira | i wanted to try 0.4 |
| 02:36.28 | nfbvieira | that's why i'm having this trouble :P |
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| 02:37.50 | nfbvieira | what's that unsupported way you were talking about craigevil ? |
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| 02:48.39 | craigevil | nfbvieira, just download it from upstream, http://archive.xfce.org/src/apps/midori/0.4/midori-0.4.6.tar.bz2#!sha1!da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709 |
| 02:49.15 | nfbvieira | and install it as source? |
| 02:49.53 | nfbvieira | but i'll still have problems with the dependencies, right? |
| 02:50.54 | craigevil | never know til you try |
| 02:51.26 | craigevil | its a configure, make, then either make install or checkinstall to make a .deb |
| 02:51.58 | nfbvieira | it's better to make the deb, right? |
| 02:52.10 | nfbvieira | at least for what i've read in the links you've sent before |
| 02:52.12 | stew | nfbvieira: its better to use a backport |
| 02:52.28 | nfbvieira | stew, that's what i've been trying all day long :P |
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| 02:53.06 | stew | nfbvieira: and what is th eproblem? |
| 02:53.30 | nfbvieira | when i do the aptitude build-dep |
| 02:53.48 | nfbvieira | two biatches are left behind: valac and webkitgtk |
| 02:54.05 | stew | nfbvieira: and what happens if you try to backport those? |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:54.24 | JasonWoof | A friend just "shared" her google calendars with me. I'd like to have an auto-updating local copy of them so I can access them offline. I want something analagus to my fetchmail setup with e-mail. |
| 02:54.34 | JasonWoof | I don't need to be able to make changes to the online version |
| 02:54.57 | JasonWoof | gcalcli seems close, it has an import feature, and some display stuff, but doesn't seem to have an export/dump feature |
| 02:55.08 | craigevil | abrotman, he is trying to backport midori, stuck at missing valac and webkitgtk |
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| 02:55.30 | JasonWoof | I'd love to have the event info in a remind format, or something I can easily convert to such |
| 02:55.45 | nfbvieira | i've been uncommenting other deb-src's on the sources.list, but without luck |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | craigevil: more about his choice of language ... |
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| 02:56.20 | craigevil | nfbvieira, try to backport valac and webkitgtk |
| 02:56.36 | nfbvieira | yup, that's what i'm trying |
| 02:57.09 | stew | judd: versions webkitgtk |
| 02:57.10 | judd | No package named 'webkitgtk' was found in i386. |
| 02:57.16 | nfbvieira | sorry bout that abrotman |
| 02:57.23 | craigevil | nfbvieira, pastebin your sources.list |
| 02:57.26 | J_Rey | The command “.” is not known to the server. |
| 02:57.29 | J_Rey | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.27 | nfbvieira | the valac says it's already at the newest version, when i try to backport |
| 02:58.43 | stew | nfbvieira: what is the command you are running, and what is the actual output? |
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| 03:00.02 | nfbvieira | craigevil, http://pastebin.com/dZyJFHUu |
| 03:00.40 | stew | crunchbang? |
| 03:00.56 | nfbvieira | stew, i'm running sudo aptitude build-dep midori |
| 03:01.01 | nfbvieira | yup |
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| 03:01.40 | craigevil | nfbvieira, uncomment lines 18 and 26 |
| 03:01.51 | nfbvieira | the output now it's: |
| 03:01.53 | nfbvieira | Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libwebkitgtk-dev ( 1.4.3). |
| 03:01.53 | nfbvieira | Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: valac ( 0.10). |
| 03:02.05 | nfbvieira | it already installed a lot of other dependencies |
| 03:02.47 | nfbvieira | i've already try that, but i'll try again :P |
| 03:02.51 | stew | !crunchbang |
| 03:02.52 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 03:03.53 | nfbvieira | same result craigevil |
| 03:03.59 | nfbvieira | :( |
| 03:04.36 | nfbvieira | i may be putting too much effort on this :P |
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| 03:09.31 | econdudeawesome | Howdy all. Anyone had any success with wheezy and sagemath/ |
| 03:09.33 | econdudeawesome | ? |
| 03:09.44 | econdudeawesome | I'm looking for a good way to install it without breaking my system :D |
| 03:09.58 | nsadmin | , v sagemath |
| 03:09.59 | judd | No package named 'sagemath' was found in i386. |
| 03:10.26 | econdudeawesome | info for squeeze deb: http://wiki.sagemath.org/devel/DebianSage |
| 03:10.43 | nsadmin | ok, cool |
| 03:11.55 | nsadmin | as an additional source of information it says there's a #sage-devel here on freenode |
| 03:12.13 | econdudeawesome | I just found that. Looking it over. Thanks for pointing that out! |
| 03:13.20 | nsadmin | you're very welcome... it looks like they're having trouble building |
| 03:14.09 | craigevil | nfbvieira, http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3862/snapshot17p.png :) but im on sid |
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| 03:14.43 | nfbvieira | hehe nice |
| 03:14.56 | nfbvieira | is it stable craigevil ? |
| 03:15.06 | nfbvieira | i mean, for a daily use in a laptop? |
| 03:15.32 | stew | nfbvieira: certainly not. it changes 4 times a day |
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| 03:15.45 | nfbvieira | hm :/ |
| 03:16.15 | craigevil | econdudeawesome, is it still in development, the page has > devel/DebianSage (last edited 2009-12-31 14:51:24 by was |
| 03:16.18 | nfbvieira | better stick with squeeze then |
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| 03:16.40 | k-man | does debian include vbox additions by default? |
| 03:16.46 | engla | sid is not `still` in development, it is always in development |
| 03:16.52 | JasonWoof | /usr/bin/google calendar --cal=.\* list gives some useful-looking output, except there's no year in the dates |
| 03:16.53 | k-man | or do i need to install them on a debian guest in vbox? |
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| 03:17.49 | econdudeawesome | engla: is Sid not Squeeze --> stable? I'm using wheezy at present... |
| 03:17.57 | nfbvieira | sorry, i was confusing sid with testing |
| 03:18.03 | engla | econdudeawesome: sid is unstable |
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| 03:19.32 | engla | nfbvieira: I'd say testing is day-to-day usable depending on slight luck and skill. it is soon going to be frozen, too |
| 03:20.21 | nfbvieira | i'm not a lucky guy :P |
| 03:20.36 | nfbvieira | and the skill... don't get me started |
| 03:20.49 | nfbvieira | yup, better stick with squeeze |
| 03:21.08 | craigevil | knows crap ,but i can usually find the answer |
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| 03:21.55 | nsadmin | nfbvieira, you can build your luck (or your perception thereof) by building your knowledge and building your skill... this will be difficult at times, and speaking of times, it will take time |
| 03:22.00 | nsadmin | so give yourself a chance |
| 03:22.11 | nfbvieira | yup |
| 03:22.18 | craigevil | nfbvieira, i have ran sid since 2004, and i spent an entire day a couple weeks ago trying to fix my system so i could get kde to load |
| 03:23.08 | nfbvieira | but i need this machine operational, and not having to spend lots of time daily just making things work |
| 03:23.20 | nfbvieira | like arch |
| 03:23.22 | nsadmin | it's like playing doom with infinite monster generation :) |
| 03:23.40 | nfbvieira | i wanted to install it, but with the package manager breaking, etc |
| 03:23.46 | nfbvieira | can't afford it |
| 03:24.01 | nfbvieira | i like to tinker with it still, but i use the VMs for that :P |
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| 03:25.11 | nfbvieira | craigevil, i believe you |
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| 03:25.30 | nfbvieira | i'm running ubuntu as my main OS for 4 years or so |
| 03:25.41 | nfbvieira | and i know i still have looooots to learn |
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| 03:28.34 | jamesd_ | i am installing squid proxy server on debian, giving it 10GB filesystem for its data what is the best filesystem, i would use ZFS but only giving the system 1GB of memory. |
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| 03:29.20 | melvin | tengoo un problema con discos |
| 03:30.59 | craigevil | disco dances like Travolta |
| 03:31.15 | civillian | jamesd_: reiserfs used to be the way, not these days though |
| 03:31.24 | craigevil | !tell melvin about es |
| 03:31.50 | jamesd_ | civillian, is XFS still availbie without having to build a kernel? |
| 03:32.05 | jamesd_ | i used to XFS back in debian 3 and 4... |
| 03:32.19 | civillian | jamesd_: XFS is built-in, you just need the utils |
| 03:32.37 | civillian | support is way better than from deb3 |
| 03:33.07 | civillian | google some useful FS flags to optimize squid performance |
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| 03:34.43 | econdudeawesome | Thanks for answering my questions earlier. I have a new one. If I want to run programs contained in /opt, will I need root privileges? |
| 03:35.13 | econdudeawesome | Or should I just add information in /etc/profile that adds these things to PATH? |
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| 03:37.06 | nsadmin | econdudeawesome, that depends on some factors... but in the usual case, you would just add to your PATH and possibly your LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and then you can run them without specifying the full path to them |
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| 03:37.44 | nsadmin | I (or lots of people here) can help you with each of those |
| 03:39.15 | nsadmin | econdudeawesome, do you have a /opt/lib? |
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| 03:41.16 | flyingtriangle | Can anyone else not find the download link for Ghostery in Chrome!? I don't know where to ask this! |
| 03:41.53 | flyingtriangle | Google Ghostery, then click the download link for chrome and it brings you to the chrome webstore and just gives an overview... where the hell do you download the extension!? |
| 03:42.06 | flyingtriangle | it's the most bizarre and frustrating thing |
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| 03:42.45 | flyingtriangle | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mlomiejdfkolichcflejclcbmpeaniij |
| 03:42.58 | flyingtriangle | where in the hell am I supposed to download this little bastard from |
| 03:43.00 | engla | flyingtriangle: they want you to login first |
| 03:43.24 | econdudeawesome | nsadmin: no |
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| 03:44.14 | flyingtriangle | I am logged in |
| 03:44.18 | flyingtriangle | there is still now download button |
| 03:44.24 | flyingtriangle | this is wild. what the hell is going on |
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| 03:44.57 | flyingtriangle | all there is is Overview, Details, Reviews, Related. where is download!?!? |
| 03:45.00 | nsadmin | flyingtriangle, I'm personally not familiar enough with chrome specifically to offer anything specific |
| 03:45.09 | engla | flyingtriangle: Add? |
| 03:45.34 | flyingtriangle | engla, I'm not seeing an Add button anywhere |
| 03:45.39 | engla | ok |
| 03:45.51 | flyingtriangle | insanity. |
| 03:45.53 | stew | flyingtriangle: what version of chromium do you have installed? |
| 03:46.06 | flyingtriangle | 6 |
| 03:46.09 | stew | econdudeawesome: just alter your PATH, either in /etc/profile if you want it to be systemwide, or in ~/.profile for a single user |
| 03:46.19 | stew | judd: versions chromium |
| 03:46.20 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 18.0.1025.168~r134367-1 |
| 03:46.29 | stew | flyingtriangle: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:46.32 | flyingtriangle | 6 |
| 03:46.45 | stew | flyingtriangle: what version of the chromium package do you have installed? |
| 03:46.56 | flyingtriangle | 6.0.4... and my more numbers |
| 03:47.07 | flyingtriangle | oh chromium package one sec |
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| 03:48.27 | nsadmin | flyingtriangle, dpkg -s chromium | grep Version |
| 03:50.41 | flyingtriangle | hmm... nsadmin that's giving me package not installed |
| 03:50.50 | flyingtriangle | I am most definitely using chromium though hah |
| 03:51.18 | nsadmin | hmm... maybe not by that packagename? |
| 03:51.45 | JasonWoof | how to download your google calendars into a remind format file: /usr/bin/google calendar --cal=".*" --date="$(date '+%Y-%m-%d'),$(date '+%Y-%m-%d' -d '300 days')" | sed -ne 's/\(.*\),\(......\)\(......\) - ............$/rem \2 at\3 msg \1/p' > google.rem |
| 03:51.55 | nsadmin | howbout this: which chromium |
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| 03:52.32 | flyingtriangle | nsadmin, which chromium brings up nothing... wth? |
| 03:53.02 | LtL | flyingtriangle: try dpkg -s chromium-browser |
| 03:53.02 | flyingtriangle | chromium-browser |
| 03:53.16 | flyingtriangle | there we go |
| 03:53.23 | nsadmin | LtL, thanks :) |
| 03:53.41 | flyingtriangle | it's version 6.0.472.63 for squeeze |
| 03:53.43 | LtL | nsadmin: :) |
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| 03:54.32 | flyingtriangle | this is bizarre, I can't find the download link for any extension |
| 03:54.33 | melvin | ls leyendo el directorio . error de entrada/salida |
| 03:54.38 | flyingtriangle | I'm clicking around the webstore for chrome |
| 03:54.41 | melvin | ls leyendo el directorio . error de entrada/salida+linux this is my problem |
| 03:54.41 | flyingtriangle | no download links |
| 03:54.49 | flyingtriangle | am I in an alternate universe right now? |
| 03:54.54 | melvin | how to resolve that? |
| 03:59.31 | flyingtriangle | I must me losing my mind. There is no way to install anything from the chrome webstore. Is this one huge mistake by Google or am I really going nuts? Everything seems so real... and yet, there is still no download link for any extension... life seems so meaningless now.... |
| 04:00.09 | stew | flyingtriangle: it looks like the current version of ghostery requires a minimum chrome version of 17, i'd guess that there isn't a version of ghostery available for your chromium version |
| 04:00.27 | flyingtriangle | version 17? So I'm 11 versions behind somehow?? |
| 04:00.29 | ramspandu | hai all, I am trying to build autotrace from sources. When I try to apply a patch and automake, an error occurs.http://pastebin.com/h1rdK1B1 is the link to the error. Anybody please help |
| 04:00.37 | flyingtriangle | I just updated |
| 04:00.42 | stew | flyingtriangle: right |
| 04:00.52 | stew | flyingtriangle: (well 18 is current now, afaik) |
| 04:01.57 | nfbvieira | good night folks o/ |
| 04:02.08 | flyingtriangle | "chromium-browser is already the newest version" |
| 04:02.21 | stew | flyingtriangle: stable doesn't get new versions |
| 04:02.26 | stew | that's the "stable" part |
| 04:02.28 | flyingtriangle | ah |
| 04:02.39 | flyingtriangle | OK, thanks a lot stew I really thought I was losing my mind for a while |
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| 04:05.24 | ramspandu | help me please |
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| 04:08.13 | stew | ramspandu: why not just apt-get install autotrace? |
| 04:08.27 | JasonWoof | ok, in case anybody cares, here's my script for downloading and displaying my friend's google calendar, either by itself or in a color merged with my calendar: http://paste.debian.net/172924/ |
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| 04:10.40 | ramspandu | stew: I need to build metatype from sources. metatype requires autotrace. So I need to apply a patch to autotrace |
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| 04:12.35 | stew | ramspandu: apt-get source autotrace ; apt-get build-dep autotrace ; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts ; cd autotrace-$version, apply the patches. use dch --nmu to add a new changelog entry, then "dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot" to build a new version of the autotrace package |
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| 04:16.50 | ramspandu | stew, apt-get source autotrace is giving the following error: E: Ignore unavailable version '0.31.1-15' of package 'autotrace' E: Unable to find a source package for autotrace |
| 04:17.58 | stew | ramspandu: you have to have deb-src lines in sources.list |
| 04:18.08 | stew | ramspandu: err line not lines |
| 04:20.57 | ramspandu | stew, http://pastebin.com/jknXzcGj here is the sources.list file. I added the deb-src line in the file by uncommenting it. and did apt-get update |
| 04:22.34 | stew | ramspandu: you should also make a deb-src line that copies ftp.us.debian.org or http.us.debian.org |
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| 04:27.23 | darkelfjuggalo1 | im trying to install from a tar.gz package, but I ca't remember how to run it in the terminal |
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| 04:28.14 | Blue1 | !tun0 |
| 04:29.09 | Blue1 | darkelfjuggalo1: this may help http://pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/ |
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| 04:30.32 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys and the openvpn-blacklist package. As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:31.15 | Blue1 | none of those help |
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| 04:34.56 | darkelfjuggalo1 | ok umm that told me a bit about untar-ing... but I cant figure out how to install it |
| 04:37.41 | kosovo | apt-listchanges is for view the changelog, on aptitude? |
| 04:39.17 | kosovo | aptitude changelog, sorry.. |
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| 07:26.55 | amanthakur | Hi guys, Could anyone help me with this? I am trying to redirect the output of "xinput test id" to a file but i am not able to do so. I have tried "xinput test id > file" |
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| 07:32.22 | tvm | that should work, as long as you have privileges to create file in the given path |
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| 07:33.35 | amanthakur | tvm, i am creating file in the home directory. |
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| 07:35.23 | amanthakur | tvm, file is created but it doesn't have contents |
| 07:35.28 | amanthakur | thats the problm |
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| 07:37.21 | tvm | what kind of output are you trying to redirect ? |
| 07:37.42 | tvm | perhaps try: xinput test id 2>&1 > file |
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| 07:43.14 | amanthakur | tvm, This didnt worked, actually the command generates the keycodes on pressing a button. So i am trying to get keycodes as output. |
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| 07:45.15 | tvm | well, there will be most likely more sane way to achieve what you want, what are you trying to do ? |
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| 07:46.45 | amanthakur | tvm, i am trying to get the keycodes. |
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| 07:49.19 | rootant | hai |
| 07:49.58 | rootant | is here a person with wheezy that could check something form me? |
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| 07:50.32 | rootant | i'm trying to run cockatrice from a chrooted wheezy on a sqeeze host |
| 07:50.55 | rootant | cockatrice needs qtmobility-dev that is not present in sqeeze |
| 07:51.25 | rootant | and it runs partially |
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| 07:52.08 | rootant | i've started wondering is it even possible to run it on wheezy, that it may not be chroot's fault |
| 07:52.16 | rootant | anyone? |
| 07:53.36 | rootant | oh well, i'll try sid chroot in meantime |
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| 08:12.37 | metaphysician | connection to http://ftp.jp.debian.org is timing out! |
| 08:12.59 | metaphysician | ^ working now |
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| 08:15.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 08:15.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got one timing out too |
| 08:16.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
| 08:22.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | now i gotta add other repos.. |
| 08:22.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i wonder why i didnt |
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| 09:03.22 | krisfremen | ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... |
| 09:06.39 | aubreyr | is email not capable of binary data? |
| 09:06.50 | aubreyr | is that why images are converted to base64? |
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| 09:10.05 | Sevet | aubreyr: yes |
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| 09:11.56 | babilen | aubreyr: Indeed |
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| 09:14.59 | vladkorotnev | hey guys |
| 09:15.46 | vladkorotnev | i'm thinking of installing cli-only debian on my eee pc 701, is it a good enough os to use on a netbook? (mostly web-surfing on text-only sites, and chat/IM) |
| 09:16.03 | vladkorotnev | anyone had experience of using cli as their primary os? |
| 09:16.09 | vladkorotnev | os interface* |
| 09:16.52 | Rockj | What limits in the system doesn't allow me to open more then 1024 files at the same time from one process in a python script? NR_OPEN, ulimit -n is set to very high.. so what's missing? |
| 09:17.58 | aubreyr | vladkorotnev, i used debian command-line-only for two weeks on an ibook g4 before getting a new computer |
| 09:18.22 | aubreyr | it was ridiculously amazing, loved every minute. I do recommend 'fbi' for displaying images at the tty... ;) |
| 09:18.44 | vladkorotnev | oh and btw, is there a web browser with images, but for the cli? |
| 09:19.12 | aubreyr | you may be able to do that with w3m |
| 09:19.19 | aubreyr | you will need to be running a framebuffer |
| 09:19.39 | vladkorotnev | also, i tried finch for IM on my ubuntu server, and it seems it has ICQ fucked up same way as pidgin, any fixes for that out yet? I'm not much into linux stuff actually heh :P |
| 09:20.01 | aubreyr | finch uses the same backend as pidgin, libpurple |
| 09:20.17 | vladkorotnev | ah, so i need to upgrade lib purple? |
| 09:20.25 | vladkorotnev | libpurple* fuck autocorrect |
| 09:20.31 | aubreyr | that depends on what you mean by ICQ messed up |
| 09:20.34 | babilen | vladkorotnev: I don't really understand the need as you can quite easily run a small window manager (e.g. fluxbox, awesomewm, ...) in which you can open as many terminals as you want to. That being said: Debian is certainly a good choice for terminal only setups. |
| 09:20.52 | aubreyr | ya I was just about to suggest that honestly if you want to go very lightweight you could use something like fluxbox or ratpoison or some other window manager and just run |
| 09:20.57 | aubreyr | a terminal in there |
| 09:21.19 | vladkorotnev | AFAIK that is how i fixed pidgin's ICQ not connecting issue. and nope, i've had enough of WMs and now want pure cli :P |
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| 09:21.42 | aubreyr | vladkorotnev, you should get used to GNU screen |
| 09:21.50 | babilen | vladkorotnev: I mean you can still use all the CLI software, but you don't have to endure the limitations of a non-X setup. |
| 09:21.58 | ^^Schlecker^^ | the pidgin ICQ not connect comes from changin the API |
| 09:22.02 | aubreyr | be warned though that you can't use framebuffer image viewing (like with fbi) from within screen |
| 09:22.08 | vladkorotnev | that thing of ctrl-alt-F1/F2/F3 is screen right? |
| 09:22.16 | aubreyr | no |
| 09:22.21 | babilen | recommends tmux |
| 09:22.27 | aubreyr | vladkorotnev, those are different TTYs, screen means having multiple terminals inside a single tty |
| 09:22.33 | vladkorotnev | ah |
| 09:22.34 | aubreyr | I have heard great things about tmux |
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| 09:22.48 | vladkorotnev | i never tried screen, sounds like awesomeness |
| 09:22.51 | aubreyr | one handy feature of screen I like is being able to copy/paste between terminals in a screen session |
| 09:22.52 | babilen | But lets not list every conceivable CLI application now as this will just result in us trying to think of even more obscure applications. |
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| 09:23.10 | ^^Schlecker^^ | use irssi on cli based installations |
| 09:23.16 | aubreyr | Yes, for IRC |
| 09:23.19 | ^^Schlecker^^ | its awesome |
| 09:23.32 | aubreyr | I considered doing something like that, some day getting a netbook and installing Debian on it without X, and basically just run emacs in a tty :P emacs for everything |
| 09:23.33 | vladkorotnev | so, screen + finch + fidoip + irssi + musiconconsole seems to be a nice setup |
| 09:23.58 | vladkorotnev | links for light web browsing as well |
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| 09:24.07 | babilen | replace screen with tmux in there and you're golden ... + mutt (for mails) |
| 09:24.23 | vladkorotnev | ah lol, forgot email right :P |
| 09:24.55 | vladkorotnev | one more question, can i tether debian in cli via an android phone, it is supposed to show up as a new netinterface right? |
| 09:24.58 | rbrooks | mc to |
| 09:25.11 | vladkorotnev | mc is essential lol :P |
| 09:25.18 | rbrooks | :D |
| 09:25.46 | vladkorotnev | tmux looks fun |
| 09:26.06 | vladkorotnev | mutt has IMAP right? |
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| 09:26.45 | rbrooks | most clients do |
| 09:26.52 | rbrooks | alpine |
| 09:26.53 | vladkorotnev | yep it ofi found it's HP, it does :p |
| 09:27.14 | vladkorotnev | does* |
| 09:27.27 | rbrooks | actually i used pine |
| 09:27.56 | rbrooks | thanks i wnat to try this! |
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| 09:28.49 | vladkorotnev | now one more question, the last one, can i switch TTY encodings on the go? and keyboard is one more thing i wonder about, i need Russian + English input, and Japanese input is not essential but preferred too, is there some tutorial on how to set up keyboards? |
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| 09:35.45 | babilen | vladkorotnev: Switching is trivial in Xorg, but I am not aware of a method that works on the console. (I never had the interest) -- You want to read "/msg dpkg keymap" -- In Xorg you can add multiple layouts in /etc/default/keyboard (XKBLAYOUT="gb,ru") and switch between them with ALT-Shift |
| 09:35.47 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, which one do you recommend me to use to configure IMAP, dovecot or courier ? |
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| 09:35.56 | babilen | _DomY-Dom: Dovecot |
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| 09:36.06 | _DomY-Dom | babilen: Why ? |
| 09:36.53 | babilen | _DomY-Dom: I used it for years and never had problems with it. That is locally on my laptop and for larger userbases. |
| 09:37.26 | _DomY-Dom | babilen: Ok, which of these seem the most reliable: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/275 ? |
| 09:37.28 | babilen | _DomY-Dom: There are millions of articles on the network that discuss this question. |
| 09:38.18 | _DomY-Dom | babilen: Yes indeed, dovecot is better. Which is the better tutorial? I'm just taking extra precautious measures. |
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| 09:48.10 | TMcTrain | I do have the cyrus packets installed, but now I need to use cyr_cbtools, but thats missing, how can I find out, in which packet it is in? |
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| 09:50.16 | nkuttler | !tell TMcTrain about search |
| 09:51.30 | babilen | !tell TMcTrain -about apt-file |
| 09:51.51 | babilen | _DomY-Dom: I would also recommend to take a look at /usr/share/doc/dovecot-core/* |
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| 10:05.01 | ioni | hi guys |
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| 10:05.12 | ioni | i have a question regarding networking handling in debian |
| 10:05.27 | ioni | can i add multiple ip address using /etc/network/interfaces without aliasing? |
| 10:05.34 | TMcTrain | babilen: tx for the input, now I installed apt-file etc, but still getting no results on apt-file search cyr_dbtool |
| 10:05.54 | ioni | it will just work if i add two address lines into iface eth0 inet static ? |
| 10:06.41 | babilen | ,file cyr_dbtool |
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| 10:08.51 | babilen | TMcTrain: I can see it in cyrus-common-2.4 (wheezy/sid), but it is not available in squeeze. What makes you think that cyrus 2.2 should ship that program? |
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| 10:10.26 | xand | ioni: the way I do it is to put the following in: post-up ip addr add x.x.x.x/y dev eth0 |
| 10:10.49 | xand | in the eth0 section |
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| 10:11.02 | ioni | all right |
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| 10:12.20 | xand | /etc/network/interfaces needs an overhaul IMO |
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| 10:14.45 | ioni | xand, indeed aliasing is deprecated since kernel 2.4 |
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| 10:18.17 | abrakadabra | how to upload files to a remote server to which i have ssh access? |
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| 10:19.20 | darsie | how can I do 'apt-cache search web::forum' ? |
| 10:19.37 | darsie | search for packages with certain tags. |
| 10:20.55 | themill | darsie: axi-cache search, but you can only search for tags that actually exist |
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| 10:21.37 | darsie | thanks |
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| 10:31.07 | metaphysician | gdm hangs on my 10-year-old machine (Squeeze). I want to try lightdm from Wheezy. will it work? |
| 10:31.30 | nkuttler | metaphysician: why would you pull it from wheezy? |
| 10:31.57 | metaphysician | nkuttler: LightDM is not available in Squeeze |
| 10:32.04 | nkuttler | metaphysician: so use something that is |
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| 10:33.54 | rootant | is here ANY wheezy user? |
| 10:34.18 | nkuttler | rootant: why do you ask? |
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| 10:34.51 | babilen | rootant: What if? And you are probably looking for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- but just ask your real question. |
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| 10:35.03 | rootant | because i need some help in testing an application. i want to know if it works on wheezy.. i'm trying to run it on wheezy chroot on a sqeeze host |
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| 10:36.21 | metaphysician | is gdm3 any lighter than gdm? |
| 10:37.04 | nkuttler | metaphysician: you really don't want to install testing packages on stable |
| 10:37.25 | nkuttler | metaphysician: you could build a backport but that's going to be hard for a package with many dependencies, like gdm |
| 10:37.39 | babilen | metaphysician: Why do you want to use a login manager at all? Just create a suitable ~/.xsession file and use "startx" to start Xorg. And I *strongly* advice against pulling in any (and in particular gtk3) packages from wheezy. |
| 10:37.45 | metaphysician | nkuttler: okay. i mean is gdm3 from stable lighter than gdm from stable? |
| 10:38.14 | nkuttler | metaphysician: i use xdm |
| 10:38.31 | babilen | metaphysician: Just make sure you have "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch FOO" in your ~/.xsession (with FOO == awesome, startfluxbox, ...) |
| 10:38.35 | babilen | Or use xdm |
| 10:39.27 | nkuttler | metaphysician: btw, what did you do before gdm started to 'hang'? you might want to debug that first |
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| 10:41.08 | metaphysician | nkuttler: it has been hanging frequently |
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| 10:46.10 | metaphysician | installed xdm. If i have problems, i'll use the startx method |
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| 10:46.59 | sje46 | What's the best way to output color text? Like, if I have an ascii text file I want to be in color when I cat it. How do I accomplish this? Apologies if this question doesn't belong here. |
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| 10:47.38 | frostschutz | sje46: when you cat it? you'd have to put the VT100 color codes into the text file itself |
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| 10:49.57 | sje46 | thanks frostschutz. I'll research that |
| 10:50.27 | sje46 | if you know of a good beginners guide, that would help a lot, though :) |
| 10:50.54 | metaphysician | nkuttler: this machine has a history of getting *GPU hangs* when running graphic-intensive programs |
| 10:52.44 | frostschutz | sje46: beginners guide? not much to guide really, you just have to understand color codes, i.e. echo -e "\e[31mf\e[32mo\e[33mo\e[0mbar" |
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| 10:53.35 | sje46 | I've dealt with them a little (for PS1 in bashrc) but not really that I know what's going on. I'll endeavour, though. |
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| 10:57.22 | sje46 | frostschutz: http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html these don't work. Is this really out of date or something? |
| 10:57.30 | sje46 | echo "^[[0;31;40mIn Color" |
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| 10:59.16 | themill | sje46: carefully read the paragraph after that example. |
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| 11:00.26 | txomon|home | debian testing is a rolling release, isn't it? |
| 11:01.35 | themill | sje46: (also, you can use echo -e "\e ..." rather than insert that ^[) |
| 11:01.53 | sje46 | yeah, that doesnt do anything other than output it without "^[0" |
| 11:01.53 | stew | txomon|home: you'll have to tell us what your definition of "rolling" is |
| 11:02.03 | stew | txomon|home: since people don't agree on what that term means |
| 11:02.08 | frostschutz | rolling in breakage |
| 11:02.15 | metaphysician | no problems with xdm. |
| 11:02.29 | sje46 | So I take it that \e is the best way to do this? |
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| 11:03.29 | d3vice | hello all |
| 11:04.03 | txomon|home | stew, that it is having continuous updates, upgrading features. I mean, that has new functionalisties |
| 11:04.10 | txomon|home | functionalities* |
| 11:04.37 | txomon|home | continuously, not just release to release (which would be debian stable) |
| 11:04.53 | themill | sje46: the ^V ESC works for me too |
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| 11:05.55 | stew | txomon|home: we're about to freeze testing where updates will become increasingly rare for probably more than a half a year, does that discount it? |
| 11:07.07 | txomon|home | stew, but testing testing, or the testing updates will create a new branch, the one you are freezing will be going for stable? |
| 11:07.11 | stew | txomon|home: the 3.4 kernel, which is has been out for > a month now, won't make it into testing ever. testing will probably be stuck on a 3.2 kerenel until 2013 |
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| 11:07.58 | stew | txomon|home: the one we are freezing will go stable, at which time we'll create a new testing. there won't be a new testing until then. in the meantime, updates to both stable and unstable will become increasingly rare |
| 11:08.40 | txomon|home | I mean, testing "freezed" is going to a branch called wheezy and testing updates will go to a new branch called testing ? |
| 11:08.51 | stew | txomon|home: no, wheezy will still be testing |
| 11:08.57 | txomon|home | ahmmm |
| 11:09.31 | txomon|home | and shouldn't it be done on the way I said? it is less intrusive |
| 11:09.39 | txomon|home | I mean, in the testing branch |
| 11:09.42 | stew | updates will still go to unstable, sometimes updates will be moved by hand to wheezy specifically when they change little and fix release critical bugs |
| 11:09.52 | stew | txomon|home: we don't have the manpower for that |
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| 11:10.08 | txomon|home | manpower? |
| 11:10.18 | stew | enough volunteer people working |
| 11:10.22 | txomon|home | ah ok |
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| 11:12.12 | txomon|home | but does it give more work having a new branch? I mean, you wont have to change the way to work in normal periods (when stable is still green) |
| 11:12.26 | txomon|home | stable will remain stable, testing will remain testing |
| 11:12.53 | stew | txomon|home: we have to rewrite a bunch of dak and britney. then we need maintainers to maintain multiple branches of their packages, not just one |
| 11:12.54 | txomon|home | and wheezy would be the branch that gets updates from testing, but going more and more freezed |
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| 11:13.48 | stew | we can't have both wheezy getting updates from testing and testing getting continuous updates |
| 11:14.01 | stew | or it becomes impossible to stabilize wheezy |
| 11:14.19 | txomon|home | no, I meant, updates go to testing as always, |
| 11:14.50 | txomon|home | but, the maintainers of wheezy do the same process now they do in testing in another branch, wheezy |
| 11:14.53 | stew | but then we can't packages moving from testing to wheezy, we have to have them come from somewhere else |
| 11:15.03 | stew | which means maintainers need to maintain two branches of packages |
| 11:15.14 | stew | the ones targetting unstable, and the ones targetting wheezy |
| 11:15.24 | themill | txomon|home: you'd also be splitting the user base that is doing the testing if you did that and that will reduce the quality of both branches |
| 11:16.06 | txomon|home | why? You can choose keeping with wheezy by having the sources.list in wheezy, or being in testing, having testing |
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| 11:16.23 | txomon|home | stew, you said that now testing will have less updates |
| 11:16.29 | metaphysician | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.32 | txomon|home | just the important ones etc. |
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| 11:16.44 | stew | txomon|home: that's right |
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| 11:17.04 | stew | well not, "now" but after the freeze, which is expected sometime this month |
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| 11:17.09 | txomon|home | yes, I mean |
| 11:18.04 | stew | and "important ones" should be defined exactly as "ones changing little other than fixing RC bugs" |
| 11:19.17 | txomon|home | so devs, get the fix, and patch the bug, or they update the program? |
| 11:19.25 | elum | How much time after freezing wheezy does it become the next stable branch? |
| 11:19.46 | stew | elum: when the RC bug count is very near zero |
| 11:19.49 | txomon|home | elum, I suppose 1 year, as stew said it is a large process |
| 11:19.51 | stew | if not actually zero |
| 11:20.06 | stew | its not predictable until we are VERY close |
| 11:20.07 | sje46 | frostschutz: I'm unable to add these codes into a text file and have them show up in color when i cat them |
| 11:20.11 | elum | Oh good, everything working fine for a year. |
| 11:20.29 | stew | it could be 2 months. it could be 2 years |
| 11:20.47 | txomon|home | elum, you can pick stable, it most of the time works fine |
| 11:21.01 | stew | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ <- its the green line |
| 11:21.27 | elum | txomon|home: stable lacks some stuff I need right now. Wheezy in its current state is perfect for me (bar bugs). |
| 11:21.52 | frostschutz | sje46: echo -e "\e[31mf\e[32mo\e[33mo\e[0mbar" > textfile; cat textfile |
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| 11:22.18 | dokma | is it possible to tell tar to strip the first folder from all paths while extracting? |
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| 11:22.31 | ansgar | dokma: IIRC yes. |
| 11:22.47 | dokma | ansgar: any hints? |
| 11:22.48 | stew | dokma: --strip-components=NUMBER |
| 11:22.55 | dokma | cool |
| 11:22.58 | txomon|home | stew, I proposed that working way, as I have the impression that doing the freezing gives too lazy |
| 11:22.58 | dokma | thanks guyz! |
| 11:23.09 | sje46 | frostschutz: but I can't cat the text file itself? |
| 11:23.39 | txomon|home | stew, which is the work of a maintainer when it freezes? |
| 11:23.49 | ansgar | dokma: man tar, tar --help often help as well. |
| 11:23.58 | stew | txomon|home: i'm not sure I followed that |
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| 11:24.04 | txomon|home | and which is nowadays? |
| 11:24.14 | stew | txomon|home: i don't understand |
| 11:24.33 | themill | txomon|home: your suggestion requires a lot more work for maintainers and a lot more testers as you need to have people testing both the to-be-released branch and the still-updating-testing branch. Where do all these people come from? |
| 11:24.35 | txomon|home | I mean, which is the difference for a maintainer having to get the testing updated, and having the testing freezed/ing |
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| 11:25.06 | frostschutz | sje46: if your editor can't insert these control characters, write it as literal \e. then you can use sed: sed -e s@'\\e'@$'\e'@g < text-plain > text-color |
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| 11:25.29 | stew | txomon|home: the packages with RC bugs have to maintain two branches of their packages instead of one. they have to maintain the branch where they are patching stuff for the next release, and they have to maintain a branch for the package which is targetting unstable |
| 11:25.36 | stew | txomon|home: right now they just have to target unstable |
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| 11:25.44 | txomon|home | themill, that is why I asked what means to fix RC bugs, does the maintainer create a patch to fix them, or updates to the version that fixes them? |
| 11:25.54 | ansgar | txomon|home: Depends. |
| 11:25.59 | themill | txomon|home: usually a patch |
| 11:26.22 | stew | txomon|home: whatever keeps the diff to the package already in testing small |
| 11:27.03 | txomon|home | hum... ok so then you are right, you need more people. How much? |
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| 11:29.59 | metaphysician | and what are the skills requirement of these people? |
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| 11:30.42 | txomon|home | metaphysician, I suppose that the same as the normal maintainers (as depending on the period do the same work), and more testers |
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| 11:31.29 | txomon|home | my idea was that, as it needs more work, the freezing release could take more time |
| 11:31.38 | stew | and people to alter dak, and people to alter or write a new britney, probably more people on the release team as we are significantly increasing there work |
| 11:31.43 | stew | their* |
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| 11:31.55 | txomon | hummm oki |
| 11:32.08 | txomon | wait, what is dak? |
| 11:32.16 | stew | the software that maintains the archive |
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| 11:32.24 | metaphysician | stew: and britney? |
| 11:32.32 | stew | the one that moves packages from unstable to testing |
| 11:33.10 | txomon | well, in this case, you would need a new breed of maintainers |
| 11:34.01 | txomon | how much works gives the freezing in comparison to the normal workflow (understanding normal as non freezing) |
| 11:34.26 | stew | a couple hundred packages might need to be forked |
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| 11:35.08 | themill | and the whole thing needs to be tested |
| 11:35.10 | stew | actually, no, i guess if you want normal uploading to unstable to continue, that would probably be much more |
| 11:35.39 | themill | (more suites) / (same number of users) = less testing = poorer quality release. |
| 11:35.47 | txomon | so, the workload could be defined as current + freezing |
| 11:36.02 | stew | we'd need new kernel developers to materialize |
| 11:36.19 | txomon | stew, why kernel maintainers? |
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| 11:36.37 | stew | because now we are going to maintain two branches of the kernel, right? |
| 11:36.44 | sje46 | frostschutz: well I'm trying to use gedit. Not to *view* the colors, just to write the codes in. But it doesn't cat with colors =/ |
| 11:37.02 | txomon | stew I suppose so... |
| 11:37.44 | themill | txomon: and xorg maintainers. |
| 11:38.15 | txomon | well, yes, but you are not seeing increased the staff? |
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| 11:40.19 | txomon | I think that doing some statistics we could calculate when this type of release cycle could be applied |
| 11:41.31 | metaphysician | what graction of the contribution of Ubuntu developers to Ubuntu, benefits Debian? |
| 11:41.45 | metaphysician | *fraction |
| 11:41.56 | themill | txomon: there are barely enough volunteers in any open source project to keep it ticking over. (that's one of the reasons why I wish people who felt the need go and make new distributions would just help to make debian better instead) |
| 11:42.51 | metaphysician | themill: exactly |
| 11:43.52 | metaphysician | if all the ubuntu devs started working on Debian, will it help Debian a whole lot? |
| 11:43.54 | nsadmin | the contribution could have increased if ubuntu decided to pull from testing instead of unstable |
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| 11:45.20 | metaphysician | the naive users coming from windoze deserve way more stable experience than Ubuntu |
| 11:45.38 | themill | suspects we have now drifted a long way from debian user support |
| 11:46.11 | txomon | I dont agree with that |
| 11:46.32 | txomon | debian is difficult for new users |
| 11:47.21 | nsadmin | and some support they get can be hostile in nature |
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| 11:48.23 | _n_ | hi there. is there a kernel command line option to load a module at start? I'm trying to do init=/bin/sh, but at that point my USB keyboard doesn't work. I know this is fixed in #616581, but it's a older system I'm trying to recover. |
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| 11:48.45 | metaphysician | nsadmin: if debian becomes very popular the support will improve too |
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| 11:50.21 | nsadmin | doubts the andecedant and the consequent phrases of that :) without effort, neither will imorove very much |
| 11:50.37 | stummi | hi there. I am missing some images in some gtk-applications: (e.g: http://files.stummi.org/epiphany.png) do i need an additional package for this or so? |
| 11:51.01 | stummi | (or where should this images be? When i know that i can query dpkg/apt-files for myself) |
| 11:51.32 | nsadmin | stummi, could you show the name of one of these images? |
| 11:52.34 | themill | _n_: don't suppose you've got a bios option to enable the usb keyboard do you? That's normally enough. |
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| 11:53.00 | metaphysician | i don't understand the point of Ubuntu when there is Debian testing, unstable, experimental for the latest and greatest. |
| 11:53.04 | _n_ | themill, already checked, unfortunately not |
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| 11:53.49 | _n_ | it works in grub (so I can pass options), but not after that (until system is booted) |
| 11:54.07 | stummi | nsadmin, nsadmin no, how can i know the names? |
| 11:54.14 | _n_ | actually I think I might have found a solution |
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| 11:56.20 | nsadmin | stummi, if you can find someone who knows the app well enough (like someone who works on it/them), they might know some of the names based on the image of your desktop |
| 11:56.48 | abrotman | ... |
| 11:57.10 | d3vice | anyone know if livebuild can build wheezy images or only squeeze? |
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| 11:59.04 | abrotman | stummi: there may be an error log in your $HOME, otherwise, strace -o /tmp/epiph.log epiphany .. then look for files (probably a .png) that is missing |
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| 12:00.34 | nsadmin | if there was such an error, debian should have provided a depend for the image package. if that dep is missing, it's a filable bug. |
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| 12:03.33 | abrotman | he didn't say which version of Debian ... |
| 12:03.36 | abrotman | or linux |
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| 12:04.00 | nsadmin | stummi, did you install all these apps that have the missing images from debian packages? |
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| 12:05.07 | stummi | abrotman, i am using debian testing |
| 12:05.32 | stummi | nsadmin, i installed the apps normally with the package-system. But i don't have a fully installed gnome, may thats the problem. |
| 12:06.09 | nsadmin | could be, how did you accomplish that? |
| 12:06.52 | stummi | strace acts a little bit ugly atm. strace epiphany works. strace -o epi.log epiphany crashes with "ERROR:ephy-history-service.c:363:run_history_service_thread: assertion failed: (priv->history_thread == g_thread_self ())" |
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| 12:07.07 | stummi | "strace epiphany 2> epi.log" also crashes |
| 12:07.09 | abrotman | stummi: i was using epiphany last night, seemed okay .. |
| 12:07.16 | abrotman | stummi: that's not the command i gave you .. |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | stummi: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade in testing ? |
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| 12:08.16 | stummi | abramart, i do a dist upgrade allmost every day |
| 12:08.47 | abrotman | stummi: nothing currently held back ? |
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| 12:09.23 | stummi | abramart, nothing but fvwm, but that shouldn't have something to do with this |
| 12:09.29 | stummi | *abrotman |
| 12:09.30 | stummi | sorry |
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| 12:09.49 | abrotman | stummi: aptitude install epiphany-browser ... see if anything gets pulled in |
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| 12:10.22 | abrotman | though it really has few recommends |
| 12:10.36 | nsadmin | stummi, I'd still like to know how you installed only part of gnome... what exactly did you do? |
| 12:11.04 | stummi | nsadmin, aptitude install epiphany-browser |
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| 12:11.14 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's very easy |
| 12:11.27 | nsadmin | oh, so you -ohly- wanted epiphany? |
| 12:11.39 | abrotman | nsadmin: packages.debian.org/gnome-core for example |
| 12:12.14 | nsadmin | the specifics might be of use here |
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| 12:12.27 | nsadmin | not theories of what could be |
| 12:12.39 | abrotman | stummi: did you try strace with the -o yet ? |
| 12:12.40 | stummi | nsadmin, yes, and gedit, what i also installed explizitly |
| 12:12.40 | yalu | hi. I'm wanting to install a self-signed certificate locally on client machines so they don't complain about ssl errors. putting the pem file in /etc/ssl/certs (and creating a 'hash' symlink) doesn't seem to be enough. |
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| 12:13.10 | stummi | abrotman, as i said, "strace -o epi.log epiphany" crashes, which is confusing me cause "strace epiphany" doesn't crash |
| 12:13.27 | stummi | <stummi> strace acts a little bit ugly atm. strace epiphany works. strace -o epi.log epiphany crashes with "ERROR:ephy-history-service.c:363:run_history_service_thread: assertion failed: (priv->history_thread == g_thread_self ())" |
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| 12:14.13 | abrotman | stummi: okay, well, can you get any useful info out of it ? Can you make sure the gnome-icon-theme is installed? |
| 12:14.41 | stummi | abrotman, yes, gnome-icon-theme is installed |
| 12:16.14 | stummi | abrotman, i think i got it. i need gnome-icon-theme-symbolic |
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| 12:19.19 | nsadmin | stummi, so... does it work? |
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| 12:20.04 | stummi | nsadmin, after installing gnome-icon-theme-symbolic it works now and shows all the icons. I will investigate that a bit to go sure thats not caused by anything on my site and may send a bugreport then |
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| 12:21.01 | nsadmin | , depends gnome-icon-theme-symbolic |
| 12:21.02 | judd | Package gnome-icon-theme-symbolic in squeeze/i386 -- depends: hicolor-icon-theme, gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.30), gnome-icon-theme (<< 2.31), libgtk2.0-bin. |
| 12:22.36 | nsadmin | stummi, if you can make a case for epiphany needing that package specifically, that would tie this in a bow... what about gedit? |
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| 12:23.06 | nsadmin | your original posting suggested more than one app had this same problem |
| 12:23.21 | stummi | nsadmin, same effect with gedit: after installing gnome-icon-theme-symbolic the icon-themes are shown |
| 12:23.39 | nsadmin | 2 for 1 :) |
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| 12:25.19 | nsadmin | the only complication would be if another gnome-icon-theme-* would solve this with a different look |
| 12:25.40 | stummi | nsadmin, already checked this. No, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic is the only one who solves the problem |
| 12:26.03 | nsadmin | stummi, awesome, excellent work |
| 12:26.52 | abrotman | stummi: congrats |
| 12:28.04 | nsadmin | pretty sure you know this, and I'll say it anyway... there should be two bug reports, one for gedit and the other for epiphany |
| 12:28.23 | nsadmin | unless you can find other packages that need it |
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| 12:30.19 | nsadmin | could you make sure strace is up to date? |
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| 12:33.07 | stummi | nsadmin, it is |
| 12:33.14 | nsadmin | , info gnome-icon-theme-symbolic |
| 12:33.15 | judd | Package gnome-icon-theme-symbolic (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: GNOME Desktop icon theme (symbolic icons). Version: 2.30.0-1; Size: 40.4k; Installed: 548k |
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| 12:38.03 | nsadmin | stummi, you might open a conversation with the strace maint to discover whether the crashes are happening everywhere or just in your box, and/or check the bts |
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| 12:39.22 | stummi | nsadmin, yeah. Thanks for your help |
| 12:39.59 | nsadmin | welcome... at this point, I have to thank you for your help as well; the reports will improve debian |
| 12:42.55 | stummi | another question: what Severity is a missing dependency? normal? |
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| 12:47.51 | Cyclohexane | anyone got a guide on how to setup a chroot? |
| 12:48.47 | ksk | Cyclohexane: use "debootstrap" (google it) and then do "chroot $path-where-you-debootstrapped" |
| 12:49.07 | abrotman | stummi: that'd probably be fine .. i'm sure it would be fixed quickly .. btw, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic deepnds on gnome-icon-theme .. so maybe request a change, not an additiona |
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| 12:49.44 | stummi | abrotman, good idea, i will add this to the bugreport |
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| 12:50.45 | Cyclohexane | ksk: can you jail particular users that way? |
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| 12:51.51 | stummi | Cybertinus, what are you planning with that jail? |
| 12:52.17 | l4sh | hi |
| 12:52.19 | imdea | Hi one question: If i want to share one directory via nfs (let's say, my /home directory so users can access it from any machine they log on). Will I have to user a clustered filesystem? I mean, if i export my directory allowing any client to read and write in that directory, does the fs get corrupted? |
| 12:52.37 | duga | w |
| 12:52.37 | duga | exit |
| 12:52.49 | dvs | !exit |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
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| 12:53.09 | Cyclohexane | stummi: I don't want the user fucking around with the file system or other users files |
| 12:53.18 | duga | dpkg: sorry... |
| 12:53.19 | dpkg | duga: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:53.20 | duga | ;> |
| 12:53.21 | nsadmin | duga, it's /quit |
| 12:53.32 | Cyclohexane | i.e. they're limited to their /home/ and can't do much else |
| 12:53.38 | duga | nsadmin: I am sorry, not this window ;> |
| 12:53.49 | nsadmin | oh, np |
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| 12:54.05 | da78 | What a mess - 1 day work to get fglrx working... Don't upgrade xserver in testing now if you need fglrx working. ;-) |
| 12:54.30 | stummi | Cyclohexane, anuser with root access within a chroot-jail has access to the full filesystem |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | we could have told you that before you tried |
| 12:54.44 | abrotman | da78: in other news, don't use testing if you need your stuff to work every day |
| 12:54.49 | Ezim | conflict between pidgin and emesene |
| 12:55.18 | da78 | yeah, or better take care if apt-get wants you to dist-upgrade.. :-) |
| 12:55.19 | Cyclohexane | stummi: that would be me though?.. |
| 12:55.59 | abrotman | da78: that's part of using testing .. otherwise, you'd have "old" packages, and then you might as well run stable |
| 12:56.25 | Ezim | installing emesene will remove pidgin |
| 12:56.39 | da78 | abrotman: but now, i know a little better to get package from sid to testing and to go back with snapshots... |
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| 12:57.36 | nsadmin | da78, there used to be a way for aptitude to pull bug report summaries when a package is about to be upgraded... I think it was called apt-listbugs |
| 12:58.04 | imdea | nobody? |
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| 12:58.28 | da78 | nsadmin: ok, but forget it. everyone complain abouts each other. If you talk about fglrx or xserver... |
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| 12:59.23 | da78 | each time the other part is guilty. |
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| 13:00.07 | da78 | for my system it was the problem that fglrx (new one) was only available in sid. |
| 13:00.12 | themill | da78: if fglrx were free software and maintained as part of xorg, it wouldn't be out of date. just saying... |
| 13:00.28 | nsadmin | flamewars in the bug tracker?! who knew? |
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| 13:01.00 | da78 | themill: what shall i say. :-) Now it runs and i know a little more. Let's go for new stories. |
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| 13:02.28 | Ezim | also nvidia geforce go 7400 is not working really well with latest nvidia blobs.. suspend not working (resume from suspend)... |
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| 13:03.10 | derpella_ | Hello. I am installing Debian from a xfce cd, and after a long waiting it asks me for files isl3886 and isl3886pci... googling wasn't very helpful, how can I find those? |
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| 13:08.15 | Cyclohexane | Anybody have any ideas for securing a system with multiple untrusted users? |
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| 13:09.33 | derpella_ | from what I found here -> http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54pci, I guess this file: http://daemonizer.de/prism54/prism54-fw/fw-softmac/2.13.25.0.arm is isl3886pci file, but will I need also "just" isl3886 one too? |
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| 13:09.46 | dsdeiz | hi! i'm using xrandr to activate 2nd monitor in my .xsession, how do i detect if the the 2nd monitor actually exists? |
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| 13:11.32 | Ezim | dsdeiz, try arandr.. |
| 13:11.51 | Ezim | its a gui for xrandr |
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| 13:15.25 | stummi | Cybertinus, you should know that this is generally kind of a very hard thing |
| 13:15.35 | stummi | *Cyclohexane |
| 13:16.22 | stummi | you could try it with SELinux, but i wouldn't rate this 100% secure |
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| 13:17.57 | stummi | apart of this, exploits for the linux kernel are published regulary. I think if you have realy an untrustable "evil" user with shell access who is just quick enought, its a question of time when he will compromise a server totally. |
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| 13:18.35 | craigevil | Cybertinus, ACL |
| 13:18.37 | stummi | (just imho and so) |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | if you have an untrusted user, they shouldn't be a user? :) |
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| 13:19.24 | Cybertinus | abrotman: if only life was that simple :) |
| 13:19.31 | abrotman | it is :) |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | i know it's hard when your mom wants to crack your box .. but jeez .. you have to have limits |
| 13:19.53 | stummi | abrotman, thats what i try to say. I would say on mostly all systems, even an "unprivileged" user with shell access can cause enough damage to bring the system down |
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| 13:20.42 | abrotman | Cybertinus: also realize, if the person really wants your box, they can try other methods |
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| 13:21.01 | Doobie420 | like boot from a usb or cd and change the root password |
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| 13:21.09 | Cybertinus | abrotman: well, no. I also have an user on a box here. I don't really want them on it, but they really need that access. I'm just lucky that it is only for a few days that they need that access. And I can close to box good enough for that |
| 13:21.23 | stummi | however. Somebody here who can try for me to reproduce the strace-bug from above? To check if its belong my machine or a general problem |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | Cybertinus: VM time :) |
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| 13:21.41 | Cybertinus | Doobie420: yeah, fysical access is full access, simple as that |
| 13:21.49 | stummi | Cybertinus, if poosible you shouldn't give him full shell access but a restricted shell for that what the user need |
| 13:22.01 | abrotman | stummi: honestly, i'd probably ignore the strace bug for now .. i can double check when i get home |
| 13:22.14 | Doobie420 | totally, even password protecting bios and changing the boot order doesn't help |
| 13:22.15 | stummi | okay |
| 13:22.22 | Cybertinus | stummi: yeah, I'm doing just that. They need to run 1 command as root. So I've setup sudo that they can only run that command, and that is about i. |
| 13:22.24 | Doobie420 | full encryption helps |
| 13:22.32 | Doobie420 | but who here does that? |
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| 13:23.51 | stummi | Doobie420, do you check your system for bugs every time you give your decrypt-passwort on booting? ;) |
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| 13:24.21 | stummi | the mbr could also compromised to store and send the decrypt-password later |
| 13:24.23 | Doobie420 | lol, true, and old fashioned key logger would render that useless |
| 13:24.34 | stummi | except you are using hw-level-encryption |
| 13:24.35 | Doobie420 | ah that too, fffffffuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 13:25.05 | Doobie420 | even hw level can't be trusted, who knows what the chinese put in those chips :D |
| 13:25.12 | Doobie420 | j/k |
| 13:25.15 | stummi | hrhr |
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| 13:25.58 | rm-rf | i have an odd situation. i need to boot with an image from usb, but the system i'm booting from only detects the usb drive as bootable if i cat the live iso to the flash drive. if i try to cat the img to the drive, so that i can use the space on the backend of the drive, it is not detected as a bootable device. any thoughts? |
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| 13:47.55 | fasta | How can I predict whether or not a given binary that I built on Ubuntu will work on Debian Stable? |
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| 13:48.53 | stew | fasta: why wouldn't you just rebuild it on stable? |
| 13:48.55 | themill | fasta: it's normally easier to recompile it rather than try to work that out. |
| 13:49.16 | fasta | stew: that would involve setting up a chroot. |
| 13:49.21 | craigevil | chances are it wont work without recompiling it any way |
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| 13:49.42 | fasta | Why can't I just say 'target=squeeze' make? |
| 13:49.51 | morel | could you please tell me the output of 'whereis grub-install'? |
| 13:49.52 | stew | fasta: for each depends and each recommends, look up the available packages in stable and see if they can b3e satisfied |
| 13:50.02 | themill | fasta: did you write that functionality in the makefile? |
| 13:50.21 | morel | i need the path of the executable of grub-install, pls. |
| 13:50.35 | fasta | themill: no, I meant more like in a general way. |
| 13:50.50 | themill | fasta: how on earth do you imagine this more general way would work? |
| 13:50.52 | stew | morel: /usr/sbin |
| 13:50.54 | stummi | morel, http://autinitysrv2:23169/ |
| 13:50.57 | morel | thanks, stew!! |
| 13:50.57 | stummi | oups |
| 13:50.59 | nsadmin | fasta, if you build under ubuntu, the ubuntu libs will be the ones linked with... so, you're exactly right. you need a chroot or other form of debian install |
| 13:51.01 | stummi | grub-install: /usr/sbin/grub-install /usr/share/man/man8/grub-install.8.gz |
| 13:51.20 | fasta | themill: every distributition would distribute a file which would recreate its specific environment. |
| 13:52.04 | fasta | (obviously it would have to be smaller than a complete chroot) |
| 13:52.11 | morel | stew: could you even give me your whole $PATH-variable? (without custom changes, if possible.) |
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| 13:52.33 | stew | fasta: "debootstrap" has scripts to recreate base environments for many debian and ubuntu releases. you can then use pdebuild in order to build a pacakge in one of these environments |
| 13:52.40 | morel | i don't need it. |
| 13:52.41 | morel | thanks. |
| 13:52.58 | fasta | stew: do I need debootstrap if I use pdebuild? |
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| 13:53.03 | stew | morel: see /etc/skel/.profile ; for root, also add /usr/local/sbin;/usr/sbin;/sbin |
| 13:53.14 | stew | fasta: yes |
| 13:53.15 | nsadmin | fasta, btw, you just invented how debian builds packages... they make a chroot, install stuff into them, build the package |
| 13:53.39 | dsdeiz | Ezim: cool. thx! any ideas how to just do it on xsession or xinitrc? |
| 13:54.25 | fasta | stew: ok, and I don't currently have a way to make a 'package'. It's just an autotools projects. How can the package itself be made? |
| 13:54.42 | fasta | stew: or is that what pdebuild does? |
| 13:55.08 | stew | fasta: start with /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 13:55.19 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.29 | stew | fasta: pdebbuild will build a package in a chroot once you have a proper debian source package |
| 13:55.39 | stew | nmg should get you started on creating source pacakges |
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| 14:06.40 | jonaskoelker | hi folks. This might be OT, but if I'm bying a new 'puter and want to put debian on it, are there any gotchas I should mind? |
| 14:07.26 | jonaskoelker | I'm thinking I should look out for graphics and wifi driver support, with intel being well-supported, and ati/nvidia OK but proprietary and (in other ways also) not perfect. |
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| 14:07.49 | jonaskoelker | for wifi, again, intel's good, broadcom was bad last I checked which is long ago ^_^. |
| 14:08.04 | bravvve | hi,i cant fined source that discribe in details how to bridge wlan to openvpn over eth |
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| 14:08.41 | dvs | jonaskoelker: Intel and Atheros is good for wifi, broadcom is definitely bad. |
| 14:08.50 | jonaskoelker | dvs: cool, thanks :) |
| 14:08.59 | jonaskoelker | they still like being proprietaryy? |
| 14:09.06 | jonaskoelker | or not supporting at all? |
| 14:09.26 | dvs | jonaskoelker: It's the closed source nature of their corde |
| 14:09.29 | dvs | code too |
| 14:09.57 | bardzusny | jonaskoelker: if you need to use weird features, you may have problems with intel chips |
| 14:10.03 | jonaskoelker | striking a lot of "discode" with that policy, I guess ;-) |
| 14:10.07 | Astro777 | hello, the loopback interface is not loaded at start from /etc/network/interfaces, what can i check ? the content of interfaces file is the default withthe two lines: auto lo |
| 14:10.11 | bardzusny | like master mode / changing mac address |
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| 14:10.18 | bardzusny | other than that, intel's fine |
| 14:10.29 | jonaskoelker | bardzusny: master mode =~ "acces point mode"? |
| 14:10.36 | bardzusny | jonaskoelker: yes |
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| 14:12.48 | jonaskoelker | and if I want master mode or mac address changes? Atheros? |
| 14:13.09 | rm-rf | did anyone see my issue, or can i repost? |
| 14:13.19 | karlpinc | Astro777: Might try turning on bootlogd. |
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| 14:14.12 | dvs | rm-rf: Why can't you make a new partition at the end of the drive? |
| 14:14.28 | jhutchins_lt | jonaskoelker: It's a bit of a crapshoot whether things like function keys work. There are so many ways they're implemented. Look for forum posts regarding specific models (which will likely no longer be available, but...). |
| 14:14.46 | jonaskoelker | function keys? F1..F10?? |
| 14:15.44 | jhutchins_lt | rm-rf: You could remaster the image to fit the drive. |
| 14:15.53 | nsadmin | rm-rf, what are you looking to boot? |
| 14:16.12 | jhutchins_lt | jonaskoelker: Function keys like volume, brightness, monitor, sleep. |
| 14:16.20 | Astro777 | karlpinc, bootlogd ? i'll check |
| 14:16.25 | rm-rf | i need to boot a live system, to drop a premade image onto known hardware, and do some light configuration |
| 14:17.04 | rm-rf | the installed system will be debian, and i wanted to use debian as a live environment to write that img to the primary disk of the system |
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| 14:17.17 | rm-rf | and then configure it once it is in place |
| 14:17.25 | karlpinc | Astro777: Otherwise, that's weird. Some of the wireless network managers take over and don't use /etc/default/interfaces, so it's possible that something like that is messing with you. |
| 14:17.36 | nsadmin | rm-rf, I wonder if pxe could help |
| 14:17.47 | rm-rf | nsadmin: unfortunately not |
| 14:18.03 | rm-rf | these are embedded devices that are isolated |
| 14:18.10 | nsadmin | so the known hardware can't do that... |
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| 14:18.19 | Astro777 | karlpinc, i'm running base install + openbox |
| 14:18.24 | karlpinc | rm-rf: You know about debootstrap? |
| 14:18.41 | rm-rf | nsadmin: what do you mean? |
| 14:18.52 | Astro777 | no managers installed, i will install bootlogd |
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| 14:19.27 | mgodzilla | mornin'... |
| 14:19.33 | karlpinc | Astro777: Or a serial console or something else that lets you log the boot process. The other place to look is dmesg and /var/log/messages. |
| 14:19.36 | nsadmin | rm-rf, so pxe can't work because these embedded devices don't have pxe support in the bios or nic? |
| 14:19.55 | mgodzilla | screwed up my ubuntu 12.04 install - dual boot w/ win xp. |
| 14:20.17 | karlpinc | mgodzilla: You'd be wanting #ubnutu then. This is for debian support. |
| 14:20.17 | Astro777 | auto lo |
| 14:20.17 | Astro777 | iface lo inet loopback is the default line for lo i guess |
| 14:20.19 | rm-rf | nsadmin: i'm sure the nics support it, but i don't have infrastructure to support pxe |
| 14:20.19 | mgodzilla | how can i get a boot manager up and runnin', after both OSes have been installed? |
| 14:20.25 | mgodzilla | oh. thanks :) |
| 14:20.32 | nsadmin | mgodzilla, sorry to hear that, and welcome to debian support... additional info may be available on #ubuntu |
| 14:20.33 | rm-rf | as in, there are no servers available. unless you had something else in mind? |
| 14:20.45 | mgodzilla | sorry 'bout that. thanks again :) |
| 14:21.00 | Astro777 | karlpinc, you know what script or process read this fle ? |
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| 14:21.05 | rm-rf | i've only ever used pxe to boot/install from the network |
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| 14:21.18 | Astro777 | maybe allow-hotplug eth0 is problematic |
| 14:21.26 | Astro777 | *file |
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| 14:22.10 | karlpinc | Astro777: /etc/init.d/neworking |
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| 14:23.27 | rm-rf | i can try to explain what i am trying to do. i _think_ i want a live environment (i am limited to usb, as the device does not have cd/network), that i can put a script on, along with my "image", and then use the script to 'dd' that image to the primary hdd of the system it is attached to |
| 14:23.35 | Astro777 | so it should be started, i ll try with the allo hotplug commented, maybe just taht |
| 14:23.41 | Astro777 | thanks |
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| 14:23.46 | karlpinc | rm-rf: You could setup a pxeboot server. It's quite handy, but does take a little work to get going. But, you want to use a usb key, so ok. |
| 14:24.18 | nsadmin | rm-rf, what about a usb cdrom drive? |
| 14:24.20 | stew | pxe won't work on a device without a netowrk :) |
| 14:24.24 | rm-rf | i've found the image approach is faster than installing a system from usb, so i'd like to try and leverage that, but whatever gets me the fastest results, i'm all ears |
| 14:24.37 | joschi | hi! I have an odd problem with a custom APT repository. I've set up a custom repo (using reprepro, served via HTTP by Apache httpd), added an entry for it to /etc/apt/sources.list, ran `apt-get update` and installed one of the packages |
| 14:24.37 | joschi | now when I run `apt-get upgrade` it's trying to install the same package again, but according to `dpkg -l $package_name` it's already installed in the correct version. |
| 14:24.37 | joschi | any ideas on why apt-get doesn't recognize the package is already installed? the packages status in /var/lib/dpkg/status looks fine: "Status: install ok installed" |
| 14:24.37 | nsadmin | karlpinc, no nic, does that imply no pxe? |
| 14:24.45 | karlpinc | rm-rf: You've lots of boxes to install? |
| 14:24.53 | rm-rf | karlpinc: yes |
| 14:25.07 | nsadmin | rm-rf, what about a usb dongle nic? |
| 14:25.16 | stew | joschi: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for the affected package? |
| 14:25.23 | rm-rf | the problem is not the absence of a NIC |
| 14:25.43 | nsadmin | sorry, grasping at straws |
| 14:25.45 | rm-rf | it is the limitation of using a usb thumb drive. this has been requested (demanded) by the client |
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| 14:26.02 | rm-rf | currently they have a system that does this, based on gentoo |
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| 14:26.16 | rm-rf | i am trying to purge them of that abomination, but finding it difficult |
| 14:26.32 | stew | rm-rf: you can make your own live images with the live-build package |
| 14:26.42 | rm-rf | stew: that's what i've been trying |
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| 14:27.09 | rm-rf | my issue is that when i create the .img and write it to the thumb drive, it is not bootable by the target system |
| 14:27.12 | nsadmin | you should consider as a worst case, they should keep the gentoo if it's doing the job... conversion to debian maybe should have a department and staff |
| 14:27.23 | craigevil | or use the new hybrid image, that is both a livecd and can be used to install |
| 14:27.44 | stew | rm-rf: are you writing it to the raw device? or to a partition on the device? |
| 14:27.55 | LaptopBrain | im trying to set up quotas on my machine and apt-get install hangs. |
| 14:27.59 | rm-rf | however, using the same thumdrive to create a bootable installer (which is how i installed the base system to begin with), it boots just fine |
| 14:28.01 | karlpinc | stew: Good question. |
| 14:28.06 | LaptopBrain | im using device mapper for hard disk partitions, is this somehow incompatible? |
| 14:28.07 | rm-rf | stew: the raw device |
| 14:28.18 | joschi | stew: thanks! https://gist.github.com/e3c8c16ecdec2f4e7547 |
| 14:28.45 | karlpinc | LaptopBrain: Should work. |
| 14:28.47 | rm-rf | i've also tried writing it to the device, rsyncing the files to another directory, wiping the drive, creating a partition, copying the files back, and running syslinux on the partition |
| 14:28.55 | rm-rf | still no boot |
| 14:28.56 | craigevil | LaptopBrain, why would you wants quotas on your personal system? production server i can see |
| 14:29.02 | LaptopBrain | its not a personal system |
| 14:29.11 | nsadmin | rm-rf, one starting point you seem to have, is the gentoo system... perhaps you can run debootstrap on the gentoo |
| 14:29.13 | rm-rf | _but_, if i do 'cat debian-live.iso > /dev/sdb' |
| 14:29.17 | LaptopBrain | its a dedicated server |
| 14:29.19 | rm-rf | it boots |
| 14:29.41 | stew | joschi: what does "dpkg -s nodejs | grep ^Status" return? |
| 14:29.43 | LaptopBrain | although i have before put quotas on my personal systems to prevent programs filling /home |
| 14:29.59 | LaptopBrain | never had problems before |
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| 14:30.03 | joschi | stew: "Status: install ok installed" |
| 14:30.09 | karlpinc | rm-rf: What what "file -s /dev/sdb" say after you've dd-ed your image? |
| 14:30.53 | karlpinc | rm-rf: (Compare with what you get after 'cat debian-live.iso > /dev/sdb' |
| 14:31.19 | LaptopBrain | hmm |
| 14:31.21 | LaptopBrain | it has worked |
| 14:31.25 | rm-rf | karlpinc: thanks for the suggestion. i didn't know you could 'file' a device |
| 14:31.36 | stew | joschi: hmm, odd |
| 14:31.40 | LaptopBrain | it just took like, 20 minutes to initialise quota.{group,user} |
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| 14:31.45 | LaptopBrain | how odd |
| 14:31.47 | joschi | stew: that's what I thought ;) |
| 14:32.15 | karlpinc | rm-rf: Yup, but come to think of it you'll probably see the same thing you see if you just did it to the .img and .iso files. So... You could look at the package that creates the debian-installer and see what it does to make the iso. (Just a thought.) |
| 14:32.42 | stew | joschi: (oh, and sorry, i missed that you had already shown us status) |
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| 14:33.10 | stew | joschi: can you just paste the actual output from apt-get upgrade? does aptitude want to do the same? |
| 14:33.31 | rm-rf | karlpinc: it must do something different, because i've tried the same thing with writing the .img to the drive and it is not recognized as bootable by the target system |
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| 14:33.39 | karlpinc | rm-rf: There's also a #debian-live on irc.otfc.net.... |
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| 14:34.01 | rm-rf | karlpinc: oh, thanks! |
| 14:34.11 | rm-rf | yet another irc server to join :) |
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| 14:34.32 | stew | i was just about to suggest #debian-live, that is probably the right place |
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| 14:34.46 | karlpinc | rm-rf: The other thing to recognize when you dd an image onto your device is that all your devices will have the same ssh keys and so forth. This can be ungood. |
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| 14:34.47 | craigevil | rm-rf, have you tried using the hybrid iso, it is both a livecd and an installer |
| 14:34.59 | stew | craigevil: yes, this is the one he is saying works |
| 14:35.04 | craigevil | ah ok |
| 14:36.12 | stew | "only detects the usb drive as bootable if i cat the live iso to the flash drive" |
| 14:36.21 | karlpinc | rm-rf: You might also take another look at the install guide, just to see if there's nothing in there that gives you a better way to install. (Perhaps the "hard drive" install method?) |
| 14:36.35 | rm-rf | karlpinc: irc.otfc.net? |
| 14:36.44 | LaptopBrain | Checking quotas...quotacheck: Cannot guess format from filename on /dev/mapper/ .... |
| 14:36.48 | LaptopBrain | thats the source of the problems |
| 14:36.53 | LaptopBrain | it keeps enabling quota v1 instead of v2 |
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| 14:36.59 | karlpinc | rm-rf: OOps. oftc |
| 14:37.09 | karlpinc | rm-rf: aka, irc.debian.org. |
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| 14:37.23 | rm-rf | ah, ok |
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| 14:41.47 | joschi | stew: I've updated https://gist.github.com/e3c8c16ecdec2f4e7547 with the output of apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:42.21 | joschi | stew: and yes, aptitude does the same as apt-get does |
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| 14:44.27 | themill | joschi: are you sure it's exactly the same package in both places? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache show nodejs"? |
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| 14:46.18 | themill | joschi: the policy output shows that apt considers the two packages to be different. |
| 14:46.43 | titleless | can I underclock my CPU in realtime from the commandline to prevent its fan from spinning? |
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| 14:47.03 | joschi | themill: https://gist.github.com/e3c8c16ecdec2f4e7547#file_apt_cache+show+nodejs |
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| 14:47.53 | joschi | themill: I've also found that strange (having the same version twice in apt-cache policy's output) |
| 14:47.59 | themill | joschi: is that output truncated? |
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| 14:48.08 | joschi | themill: no |
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| 14:48.42 | themill | because the 3rd stanza is missing lots of information -- which would be why apt thinks there's something different. |
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| 14:49.13 | joschi | themill: ok, what could cause that? you might it would help to remove/purge the package and reinstall it? |
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| 14:49.42 | themill | (package,version,arch,depends,recommends,suggests) is the uniquely defining signature iirc. Normally that's equivalent to (package,version,arch,md5sum) but you're missing the sum in this case. |
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| 14:50.34 | LaptopBrain | hrm |
| 14:50.41 | LaptopBrain | i give up, cant find a way around that annoying error |
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| 14:51.05 | a-l-e | hi. newly on my laptop DHCPDISCOVER is blocking the boot process... |
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| 14:51.29 | a-l-e | ... any idea how to get it to work in the background (most of the time there is no cable attached...) |
| 14:51.57 | themill | joschi: does the data in the control file inside the package match what is in the Packages file? |
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| 14:52.13 | nsadmin | a-l-e, if your laptop is doing dhcpdiscover before booting, it could be that pxe booting is enabled in the bios |
| 14:52.28 | a-l-e | nsadmin: while booting... |
| 14:52.34 | a-l-e | which is correct, imo... |
| 14:52.39 | a-l-e | but it should not be blocking! |
| 14:53.20 | nsadmin | ok, some background... debian uses dependency-based booting, which could mean that some services need the network up before starting |
| 14:53.23 | karlpinc | rm-rf: Perhaps we should talk about installation here. I'm still not convinced that booting a live image and then dd-ing an image file is the way to go. But before we get to that, you've got 2 images we're talking about, right? What that boots on the usb key and one that gets copied to the box? |
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| 14:53.24 | a-l-e | it always worked correctly... and i haven't changed anything, except updating from time to time |
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| 14:53.48 | a-l-e | nsadmin: how can i know which one it is? |
| 14:54.03 | karlpinc | rm-rf: I'm not sure what you mean by "defeating the purpose". |
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| 14:54.33 | Jef91 | Is there a way to purge all configuration files left behind by uninstalled packages on my system? |
| 14:55.21 | karlpinc | Jef91: "aptitude purge ~c" But you'll probably want to look at the list first just in case. |
| 14:55.38 | rm-rf | karlpinc: i'm using the live environment to basically get me a shell so that i can run the installer |
| 14:55.45 | nsadmin | a-l-e, it's not necessarily the service that needs the network up so much as whether you have the cable plugged and/or whether the dhcp server is responding... or, did you want to boot without net? |
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| 14:56.05 | a-l-e | nsadmin: i want to boot also if there is no network attached. |
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| 14:56.24 | a-l-e | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 14:56.24 | a-l-e | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:56.46 | a-l-e | in etc/network/interfaces ... should be correct... |
| 14:56.47 | karlpinc | rm-rf: Why not just run the installer itself? If you can't use a cd or dvd image then you can always build your own with exactly the packages you need. |
| 14:56.48 | joschi | themill: it's not exactly the same. the Packages file of the repository contains more information (e. g. some hashes) |
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| 14:57.29 | karlpinc | rm-rf: You could also then do automated install sorts of things so it's plug and play. |
| 14:57.31 | a-l-e | nsadmin: and it correctly boots (as it has always done)... but, now, it pauses during 10 seconds to try to get an IP address. which is not necessary. |
| 14:57.36 | joschi | themill: the .deb has been created with checkinstall if that matters (or it's known to be broken) |
| 14:57.41 | themill | joschi: yeah, that's to be expected, since dpkg doesn't track that information and one of those outputs is only coming from status. |
| 14:57.52 | codejunky | Hi, I am using debian squeeze on a mac mini and i plugin in my tp-link atheros wlan usb stick i get the following on dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/172992/ but iwconfig does not show the device. I installed the firmware-atheros package. any additional hints? |
| 14:58.00 | themill | joschi: no idea if checkinstall does the right thing or not. I would assume it does. |
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| 14:59.23 | joschi | themill: could 'Provides: nodejs' be the problem? |
| 14:59.26 | nsadmin | a-l-e, I wonder if it would not try if you first commented out both of those lines |
| 14:59.33 | a-l-e | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/linux.debian.bugs.dist/WWjMu6fxBto |
| 14:59.55 | a-l-e | nsadmin: i guess that then eth0 won't work anymore... |
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| 15:00.12 | a-l-e | in the link above, somebody has the same problem... |
| 15:00.17 | nsadmin | wouldn't come up. yes. would that be what you want sometimes? |
| 15:00.32 | themill | joschi: can you pastebin the actual debian/control file from your source package? |
| 15:00.55 | a-l-e | nsadmin: eth0 should work when i plug a cable and activate it! |
| 15:01.36 | a-l-e | in the link above, vincent is giving a full description.. and i think it matches my experience :-) |
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| 15:01.53 | nsadmin | hmm, yes... so this would be a matter of detecting wheter a cable is present |
| 15:02.08 | karlpinc | rm-rf: You should probably take a look at the "fai-server" package. This is exactly the sort of thing it seems you want to do. |
| 15:02.08 | nsadmin | or better, whether the link is actually up |
| 15:02.15 | a-l-e | maybe... or, better, a matter of doing it in the background! |
| 15:02.34 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i run a command that configures my tables pen just when i plug it in? |
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| 15:02.55 | a-l-e | ok, there seem to be no solution... |
| 15:02.56 | superlinux-hp | i am on debian squeeze |
| 15:03.05 | a-l-e | hopefully it will go away buy itself at some time. |
| 15:03.14 | a-l-e | thanks for helping nsadmin! |
| 15:03.18 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux-hp: What is a "tables pen"? |
| 15:03.27 | joschi | themill: https://gist.github.com/e3c8c16ecdec2f4e7547#file_nodejs_control && https://gist.github.com/e3c8c16ecdec2f4e7547#file_nodejs_packages |
| 15:03.36 | superlinux-hp | tablet pen, a mouse pen |
| 15:03.52 | nsadmin | a-l-e, there's nothing presently defined anyway. I don't think this is impossible; |
| 15:03.56 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_lt, for drawing mate |
| 15:04.16 | stew | a Version: header in control?!? |
| 15:04.19 | a-l-e | nsadmin: it came by itself, it will go by itself :-) |
| 15:04.29 | Sidney__ | I want to put Debian on a 60 Gb ssd where do I put the swap partition |
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| 15:05.12 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_lt, it's a usb device. so when i plug it in i want a script to run |
| 15:05.25 | themill | joschi: is that really in the source package debian/control? Getting rid of the empty "Conflicts" etc lines would be smart too. |
| 15:05.40 | joschi | themill: that's basically what checkinstall spews out |
| 15:05.53 | joschi | themill: and yes, it really is the control file from the package ;) |
| 15:06.40 | nsadmin | a-l-e, here's the thing, your question does bring up the thought that everything that depends on the net could be in its own backgrounded series of processes... and it could be arranged that the box could come up in one way if the net is available and another (everything dependent on lo) otherwise |
| 15:06.48 | themill | joschi: so, checkinstall 0: apt 1. Get rid of some of that crap. Actually, why aren't you using the debian packaging? |
| 15:07.27 | joschi | themill: the version I needed wasn't available in any debian repo at that time |
| 15:07.36 | joschi | themill: by now there's a package for it in sid |
| 15:07.50 | a-l-e | nsadmin: no, my thoughts is: it used to work, somebody fucked it up, somebody will notice it (also because there is already a bug report for it, with a mee too from mee), somebody will fix it. |
| 15:08.01 | a-l-e | i fix bugs in other projects, i know how it works :-) |
| 15:08.04 | joschi | themill: I could easily switch but I have the same phenomenon with another package from the same repository (also created with checkinstall) |
| 15:08.11 | themill | joschi: reusing the packaging and updating it for the new version is easier. /msg dpkg uupdate; /msg dpkg nmg (there's a chapter of the nmg on updating to newer versions) |
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| 15:08.25 | nsadmin | a-l-e, that covers it... |
| 15:08.32 | superlinux-hp | themill, i know you're busy. but can you tell me what i should read about to solve my problem? |
| 15:08.39 | joschi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.44 | joschi | d'oh, sorry |
| 15:08.56 | nsadmin | when did it work btw? the last time it worked for you |
| 15:09.11 | a-l-e | nsadmin: i was hoping to find a workaround, but i won't spend hours to avoid spending seconds :-) |
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| 15:10.04 | joschi | themill: thanks for your help |
| 15:10.05 | nsadmin | noting in passing that seconds do add up, wish you well :) |
| 15:10.23 | themill | joschi: no worries -- good luck with it! |
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| 15:13.25 | deuterium | re guys, how can install grub2 on a cfdisk that i've mounted in /mnt/cf |
| 15:13.27 | deuterium | ? |
| 15:13.29 | karlpinc | rm-rf: Then again, maybe fai won't work for you. It seems to need nfs. (Of course your live system could have an nfs server on it, but it seems using the installer might then be easiest. |
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| 15:14.52 | nsadmin | deuterium, there is a command, /sbin/grub-install, which does that job |
| 15:15.04 | deuterium | i.e. it's /dev/sdf1 on /mnt/cf type ext3 (rw) |
| 15:15.36 | nsadmin | you could install it on /dev/sdf |
| 15:15.54 | nsadmin | which would be its master boot record |
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| 15:16.07 | deuterium | nsadmin: how can i make sure it doesn't accidentally overwrite the mbr of the host system? |
| 15:16.20 | nsadmin | where is that located? |
| 15:16.39 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:17.14 | deuterium | nsadmin: the host? yes |
| 15:17.31 | deuterium | the cfdisk is /dev/sdf |
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| 15:17.59 | nsadmin | to make sure the /dev/sda is not altered, don't do: grub-install /dev/sda :) |
| 15:18.14 | deuterium | nsadmin: ok, so doing grub-install /dev/sdf should be safe, right? |
| 15:18.26 | nsadmin | should be, yes. |
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| 15:19.34 | rm-rf | karlpinc: i'm wondering if some of my issues stem from how old my version of live-build is |
| 15:20.09 | deuterium | nsadmin: ok, nice :) |
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| 15:20.51 | ksk | ,version git |
| 15:20.52 | judd | Package: git on i386 -- lenny: 4.9.4-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.5-3; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.7.10-1; wheezy: 1:1.7.10-1 |
| 15:20.55 | ksk | thanks |
| 15:21.10 | nsadmin | deuterium, I'd be very curious as to what happens when you try to boot |
| 15:21.25 | deuterium | nsadmin: why do you mean? |
| 15:21.28 | nsadmin | ksk, also note the existance of git-core |
| 15:21.46 | ksk | nsadmin: was just wondering ;) |
| 15:21.48 | deuterium | nsadmin: boot the cfdisk after having written grub2 to its mbr you mean? |
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| 15:22.02 | ksk | possible to query judd? *tryin* |
| 15:22.05 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 15:22.20 | nsadmin | ksk, yes it is |
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| 15:22.40 | ksk | i tried successfully ;) |
| 15:22.41 | ksk | thanks |
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| 15:27.18 | nsadmin | ksk, dpkg is also queriable |
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| 15:30.04 | tharkun | Gentlemen I want all ssh traffic from one network to be recieved by one machine and then be redirected to the proper machine. How is that called? (I need only the google term) |
| 15:30.33 | Diopter | tharkun: Sounds like you want to forward port 22 from one machine to another. |
| 15:30.49 | babilen | tharkun: multi-hop ssh? ssh gateway? |
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| 15:31.02 | tharkun | babilen: I'll try those thanks |
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| 15:31.25 | tharkun | Diopter: not exactly the set up is a bit more complex than a simple port redirection |
| 15:31.28 | Diopter | tharkun: You can easily accomplish that with a single DNAT rule in the PREROUTING chain of the NAT table in iptables. "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 22 -j DNAT --to-destination x.x.x.x |
| 15:31.35 | Diopter | tharkun: Oh? Then elaborate a bit |
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| 15:32.24 | stew | tharkun: virtual private network? |
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| 15:32.56 | tharkun | stew: that one was nice :) but i have to stick with ssh for the time beeing. I will write it down. |
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| 15:33.29 | tharkun | Diopter: Old server needs a security upgrade. I can't fully upgrade it but i can block the normal vectors of attacks |
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| 15:34.19 | Diopter | tharkun: So do you want the old server to actually have someone log in over ssh? Or do you want ssh connection attempts to end up logging into a different machine? |
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| 15:37.04 | tharkun | Diopter: normal users log into the ssh gateway (thanks babilen it was the correct term) and they get redirected to the proper server when the propepr credentials are shown. |
| 15:37.29 | Diopter | tharkun: Ah, then yes, ssh gateway. |
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| 15:42.04 | hdb2 | hi all - I need to setup quotas on various directories (shares) on my box so that users can't consume all of the space. having never worked with quotas before, is the quota package the way to go, or is there something better? |
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| 15:42.49 | babilen | tharkun: You might like a ~/.ssh/config such as http://paste.debian.net/172997/ to ease multi-hop SSH logins. |
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| 15:44.10 | deuterium | nsadmin: thx.. any idea how a grub2 setup file would look like? |
| 15:44.17 | MO_Handes | what is the best dictionary for linux? (offline with support of different languages and libraries) |
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| 15:50.27 | tharkun | babilen: thanks, takin note |
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| 15:50.56 | nsadmin | deuterium, update-grub will look for kernels and other oberating systems |
| 15:51.09 | nsadmin | and write out a config |
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| 15:52.44 | thebwt | I installed a custom version of a package (libgnutls26) to implement a fix. Now that fix is in the repo version of the package. Is there an easy way to make dpkg forget my package and start using the one in the repos again? |
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| 15:52.55 | deuterium | nsadmin: and i should also specify the device there so update-grub doesn't accidentally upgrade the grub of the host system? i.e. update-grub /dev/sdc? |
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| 15:54.12 | Ormu | hello |
| 15:54.17 | kazuma153 | hello, I am trying to install debian from the live-cd and on both the gnome and xfce amd64 images the install fails at installing grub, leaving me to abort the install, this has worked previously with earlier images, is there a way to make grub install? |
| 15:54.39 | Diopter | deuterium: It doesn't take a device, at least for grub2. |
| 15:54.44 | kazuma153 | i have a suspicion it is a bug and nothing to do with my hardware/setup |
| 15:54.51 | Ormu | which of these should I choose when I want to install debian stable using PXE booting? ->> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/ |
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| 15:55.08 | salbra75 | hallo |
| 15:55.13 | deuterium | Diopter: i see, thx |
| 15:55.19 | Diopter | deuterium: less /usr/sbin/update-grub. All it's doing is calling grub-mkconfig with -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg. You should therefore call grub-mkconfig yourself and -o or > to the file you want. |
| 15:55.26 | salbra75 | !list |
| 15:55.27 | dpkg | salbra75: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 15:56.41 | deuterium | Diopter: after booting the device, i now get into grub's rescue console.. can i maybe do the grub configuration there? i.e. will changes be permantent? |
| 15:57.25 | Diopter | deuterium: That's a very painful thing to experience. I'd recommend against it since you have the option of booting back up and fixing it with the tools that exist. |
| 15:57.39 | Diopter | deuterium: Really though, you probably want to chroot into your target disk and update-grub. |
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| 15:57.52 | Diopter | So grub-mkconfig isn't reading the host's kernels/drives/etc |
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| 15:58.28 | deuterium | Diopter: ok, thanks for the hint |
| 15:58.42 | nsadmin | deuterium, that's great! so we know (a) grub-install worked like a champ, and (b) you can try to use the console to boot |
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| 15:59.45 | nsadmin | deuterium, plus, in the grub console, the tab key is your friend |
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| 16:02.19 | Ormu | hey, which of these is the most recommended.. http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/ |
| 16:02.40 | Jef91 | when I hit apply in synaptic it is telling me applying changes will cause broken packages - is there any way for it to tell me which packages are being broken by my marked changes? |
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| 16:03.14 | ksk | Ormu: what do you want to do? |
| 16:03.28 | Ormu | install the stable version (squeeze) using pxe booting |
| 16:03.56 | nsadmin | oh, read the release notes and install guide, it tells you exactly how to do that |
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| 16:06.35 | davids86 | ciao |
| 16:06.37 | davids86 | !list |
| 16:06.38 | dpkg | davids86: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 16:06.40 | nsadmin | I did the pxe thing twice recently too |
| 16:06.52 | nsadmin | davids86, why is it always italians? |
| 16:07.29 | Ormu | i know how to use pxe but i'm just asking which of those is the most recommended download... squueze4? current? |
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| 16:07.44 | daemon | hey all there is a command that is stored on the bot here that removes all packages not marked system or important (I think) |
| 16:07.56 | nsadmin | well it will give you the latest squeeze anyway |
| 16:08.01 | daemon | leaves it with a bootable debian install with aptitude; anyone have any idea what the command is |
| 16:08.04 | daemon | or the command to ask the bot :) |
| 16:08.20 | themill | !uninstall everything |
| 16:08.20 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 16:08.27 | daemon | thank you themill |
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| 16:09.32 | stew | does that mark things as manually installed? should it? |
| 16:09.49 | Ormu | nsadmin: ah, it downloads packages from the net so they're always up to date, right? |
| 16:09.53 | themill | daemon: as dpkg said, look at what it's planning to do very carefully... your system will not (necessarily) be bootable after doing that. |
| 16:09.56 | ksk | nope (imho) has nothing to do with it |
| 16:10.07 | linkedinyou | is it save to give people sudoers as newusers ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 16:10.40 | nsadmin | Ormu, do you have a tftod set up? |
| 16:10.40 | linkedinyou | and assist me if wronge please |
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| 16:11.25 | nsadmin | linkedinyou, the more you allow, the more that can happen |
| 16:12.08 | themill | stew: everything in those priorities appears to be "manually installed" already on the boxes I've checked. |
| 16:12.08 | stew | linkedinyou: realize that gives "newusers" the ablility to do anything at all they want. read/write to any file, add new accounts, delete absolutely everything, anything at all they want to do |
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| 16:12.45 | stew | themill: hmm, i have 3 outliers which are automatically installed on mine |
| 16:13.08 | osfd | Hi there. How do you use the -exec option after moving to the dir the file has been found in... ? |
| 16:13.24 | stew | oh, no , more than that |
| 16:13.28 | stew | but probably not a problem |
| 16:13.29 | Ormu | nsadmin: i'm using a windows machine as the pxe server, i use tftpd32 there |
| 16:13.34 | themill | stew: soname changes, at a guess. "aptitude install foo" also doesn't change the autoinstalled state. |
| 16:13.49 | nsadmin | Ormu, ok, one sec |
| 16:14.07 | osfd | -execdir... ! |
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| 16:14.44 | osfd | works like a charm :) |
| 16:14.48 | stew | themill: wait, "doesn't"? |
| 16:15.02 | themill | stew: correct. |
| 16:15.29 | themill | (I think that may have changed between lenny and squeeze as I recall that it used to do so) |
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| 16:16.06 | linkedinyou | nsadmin, stew , how do i give limited permission not all please |
| 16:16.36 | stew | so autoinstalled is only set upon the first install but not changed when you "aptitude install packagealreadyinstalled"? is that different for an upgrade vs. a noop? |
| 16:16.39 | nsadmin | linkedinyou, how would you like to define "not all"? |
| 16:16.43 | linkedinyou | and are all will make him as root |
| 16:17.09 | linkedinyou | nsadmin, that will be nothing at all? |
| 16:17.33 | linkedinyou | nsadmin, sorry could be limmited |
| 16:17.49 | tharkun | babilen: I planned on using special purpose key for ssh embedding the new connection there, Is it better to use the .ssh/config file you posted? |
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| 16:18.58 | stew | linkedinyou: the last ALL stands in for a list of programs that may be run., the (ALL) means that the programs may be run under account, including root. you should really read "man 5 sudoers" |
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| 16:21.41 | nsadmin | Ormu, which arch? |
| 16:22.29 | mastro | I remember a way of building debian packages that was very simple, not knowledge of the debian packaging system was needed.. you just had to run a few commands while compiling to build a deb package, dependency was not set and all that stuff but you were then able to uninstall easily, anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 16:23.00 | nsadmin | dh_make? |
| 16:23.25 | stew | mastro: checkinstall |
| 16:23.40 | Ormu | nsadmin: i386, i just tried and it failed to load a configuration file |
| 16:23.58 | mastro | stew, thanks |
| 16:24.04 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 16:24.13 | Ormu | there's no pxelinux.cfg present |
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| 16:24.57 | nsadmin | Ormu, take a look at this |
| 16:25.00 | nsadmin | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 16:26.02 | nsadmin | I think the config file is pxelinux.0 |
| 16:26.38 | nsadmin | and you untar the netboot.tar.gz into the tftpd dir |
| 16:26.39 | Ormu | pxelinux.0 is the boot image as far as I know |
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| 16:27.11 | nsadmin | hmm. could be |
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| 16:28.45 | nsadmin | Ormu, it was the stuff in the tarball that finally let me boot the installer |
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| 16:29.56 | Ormu | there's a config file which doesn't exist in the tarball... http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.cfg/ <- or actually that file is included but it's empty |
| 16:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ormu: Is there a README or INSTALL file in the tarball? |
| 16:30.40 | MO_Handes | why does Iceweasel doesn't show downloaded files in Downloads window after downloading has been finished and clear it? |
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| 16:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | MO_Handes: Because Mozilla decided you should have the option of tracking your downloads and clean the list up manually. |
| 16:31.27 | Ormu | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 16:31.43 | jhutchins_lt | MO_Handes: There have been options in various versions that set to auto-clean. |
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| 16:32.20 | MO_Handes | jhutchins, but this was not happened in Firefox 12! how can I disable this? |
| 16:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ormu: There are sometimes examples that are placed in the /usr/share/doc/<package> directory and meant to be copied to the live config file. |
| 16:32.51 | NoVoteLoss | anyone use midori browser? im trying to check it out, but after i start it i am unable to load any pages, saying it cannot resolve proxy hostname....but i have it set to no proxy |
| 16:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | MO_Handes: I dunno. Ask Mozilla. Look through the config, especially about:config |
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| 16:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | MO_Handes: I'm pretty sure it's done that by default since before 3.5. Maybe you just didn't notice. |
| 16:34.52 | themill | MO_Handes: there's an option in Preferences → Downloads asking whether you want to see that silly downloads window or not. |
| 16:34.57 | daemon | how do I tell debian to auto accept any questions aptitude has |
| 16:35.29 | daemon | well auto 'yes' |
| 16:35.31 | themill | daemon: aptitude has a man page that will tell you about the "-y" option. It's not always a good idea to just let it do that though |
| 16:35.31 | Ormu | jhutchins_lt: sorry, what are you talking about? i'm not installing/compiling software, i'm trying to boot debian installer using PXE |
| 16:35.57 | Diopter | daemon: -y |
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| 16:36.27 | Ormu | that' |
| 16:36.29 | Ormu | oops |
| 16:36.46 | daemon | Diopter, thats what I thought but it ah thank you :) |
| 16:36.52 | daemon | *thank you :) |
| 16:37.30 | Diopter | daemon: You bet. |
| 16:37.55 | Ormu | here's the contents of the netboot.tar.gz package; setting the pxelinux.0 in i386 as the boot image fails as it doesn't find the configuration file.. which doesn't exist ->> http://i.imgur.com/EKRpX.png |
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| 16:38.29 | superlinux-hp | isn't this correct as a udev rule? ACTION=="add", ATTRS{name}=="UC-LOGIC Tablet WP5540U", RUN+="/usr/bin/mplayer /home/oracle/v.mp3" |
| 16:38.45 | superlinux-hp | this tablet has USB |
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| 16:40.54 | MO_Handes | themill, it's not about the window itself, it's about that all downloads will get cleared after they completed |
| 16:41.05 | nsadmin | Ormu, my tftp machine is off at the moment... let me put it up |
| 16:41.11 | themill | MO_Handes: "cleared"? |
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| 16:42.13 | Ormu | nsadmin: ok, i'll check the config file on the ftp in the meantime |
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| 16:42.30 | MO_Handes | themill, the list of downloaded files in download window, I mean. not the actual files. |
| 16:42.43 | Ormu | ...this thing here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.cfg/default |
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| 16:43.28 | themill | MO_Handes: can't say I've ever seen it clear itself. But I also find that little window one of the slowest, most useless and annoying things to deal with anyway. I just leave it disabled. |
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| 16:44.36 | nsadmin | Ormu, oh, pxelinux.cfg is a dir containing default according to what you're saying |
| 16:44.58 | Ormu | there is also a file with that name in the "root" of the tarball and it's empty |
| 16:45.12 | Ormu | and an empty file "default" in the pxelinux.cfg dir |
| 16:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | MO_Handes: Remember that all the Debian team does is repackage Firefox as Iceweasel - all of the development decisions are made by Mozilla. |
| 16:45.41 | nsadmin | and when you try the boot? |
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| 16:46.25 | Ormu | ok, i downloaded the default file to pxelinux.cfg dir, now vesamenu.c32 is missing.. should i download it (where) or remove it from the config file? |
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| 16:48.01 | jhutchins_lt | Ormu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootAssistant May help. |
| 16:48.18 | Ormu | thanks, i'll check that |
| 16:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Ormu: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 - search pxelinux.cfg, it has an example of the default file. |
| 16:49.06 | Ormu | hm, that's for linux, i'm using windows as the pxe server |
| 16:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, so read the second one. |
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| 16:53.17 | harold | I have a hard drive -- on which I want to totally get rid of absolutely everything, and have only a 1 GB partition that's of VFAT type, would this command do it? -- |
| 16:53.20 | harold | echo ,1024,,- | sfdisk /dev/sdb; mkfs -uM -t vfat /dev/sdb |
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| 16:55.05 | jagginess | harold, you want to get rid of everything on the harddrive? or just 1 partition? |
| 16:55.42 | no_al_nonnismo | harold: if you want to erase the data in that hd you can use: dd if=/dev/sero of=/dev/theharddrivename |
| 16:55.57 | no_al_nonnismo | *if=/dev/zero |
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| 16:56.46 | harold | I want to get rid of everything on the harddrive, and then put 1 GB partition of vfat type that has only 0s |
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| 16:57.35 | harold | no_al_nonnismo: but that won't make a filesystem though. The reason I'm wanting to have a filesystem is it makes things easier to work with... I can do checksums and such things easily on a small partition |
| 16:57.44 | jagginess | harold, why 1 gig? |
| 16:57.50 | no_al_nonnismo | harold: so "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb" then create the partition with fdisk, then mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:58.13 | harold | no_al_nonnismo: can you tell me what the sfdisk command would be? I'm putting this inside a script |
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| 16:58.25 | harold | jagginess: no particular reason... it's a nice size for my testing purposes |
| 16:58.35 | no_al_nonnismo | harold: ah, i never used it, i use fdisk. sorry |
| 16:58.36 | jagginess | harold, if you're working with linux you shouldn't rely on vfat for some filesystem attributes |
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| 16:59.02 | jagginess | harold, if you want to use a scrapdisk, then you can use loopback files.. |
| 16:59.04 | harold | jagginess: what do you suggest then? I went with vfat cause I thought it'd play well with both win and nix |
| 16:59.32 | jagginess | harold, oh so you want to share a partition? choose ntfs (fat32 is limitted to 4 gig filesizes) |
| 16:59.32 | harold | does not know what a 'scrapdisk' is |
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| 17:00.01 | stew | why would a 4 gig limit matter with a 1 gig filesystem |
| 17:00.02 | harold | no, don't want to share it -- want it to be readable when I put it on a win7 computer (without having to do a lot) |
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| 17:00.26 | stew | harold: are you sure that is 1 gig and not 1 meg? you are making your filesytem on /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:00.32 | jagginess | harold, i've been doing #linux for years.. fat32 support is 100% stable |
| 17:00.46 | stew | harold: if you want to first erase /dev/sdb1 run "cp /dev/zero /dev/sdb1" before the mkfs |
| 17:00.49 | no_al_nonnismo | doesnt know what a "scrapdisk" is o.O |
| 17:00.50 | jagginess | harold, you don't need to test it.. |
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| 17:00.58 | harold | ok, I'll go with fat32 then. And, I'll also do it 4gb (I did not know about the 4gb limit) |
| 17:01.18 | jagginess | harold, fyi.. vfat is a filesystem module that supports both fat32 and fat16 |
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| 17:01.49 | Diopter | harold: If you're trying to interoperate with Win7, you probably want to make a partition to put your filesystem on. |
| 17:02.00 | Diopter | harold: Windows is finicky about whole-disk filesystems. |
| 17:02.05 | jagginess | harold, .. I meant -- if you make a fat32 filesystem/partition of say 25 gigs, then no single file can be greater than 4 gigs (this is a limitation of the fat32 filesystem design) |
| 17:02.08 | harold | alrightie. So what I'm going to do now is: echo ,4096,,- | sfdisk -uM /dev/sdb |
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| 17:03.35 | nsadmin | Ormu, ok, I see everything now... are you still not able to boot? |
| 17:03.40 | stew | harold: that is 4 megs, right? |
| 17:03.54 | harold | jagginess: I won't create a large single file -- I'll merely populate that partition with 0's with dd. (Ultimately, I want to do two things: get the throughput rate of data (~1 GB) being put _on_ the disk, and the same data Iwrote (which I'll confirm is same, by doing some sort of check sum) I want to read and see what the read speeds are |
| 17:04.02 | stew | oh, i missed the -uM |
| 17:04.58 | jagginess | harold, look into hdparm related tools to measure data-throughput |
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| 17:05.14 | harold | is lookin ginto hdparm now |
| 17:05.23 | Ormu | nsadmin: yes, i created the necessary configs, now it seems to work.. i'll just have to do some more modifications |
| 17:05.24 | jagginess | harold, you can use pcopy --> pcopy afile /dev/null , and see a progress bar |
| 17:05.40 | Diopter | harold: If all you care about is the raw throughput, why make a filesystem? |
| 17:05.50 | Diopter | harold: Are you trying to compare Windows vs Linux throughput? |
| 17:06.01 | jagginess | harold, take it easy for that hdparm tool, i say read the manual (you can damage your harddrive if you misuse it) |
| 17:06.18 | nsadmin | Ormu, ok... one thing you should know, is pxelinux.cfg/* and pxelinux.0 are read by the client on their way to booting the installer |
| 17:06.27 | Ormu | the netboot package seems to be unfinished |
| 17:06.40 | Ormu | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:07.23 | nsadmin | if you were to remove everything from the tftp dir except netboot.tar.gz and then untar that file again, try to boot the client |
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| 17:08.00 | nsadmin | what surprised me after spending time learning about stuff, is that was all that was needed |
| 17:08.24 | silouck | anyone here that could tell me what --slave does in update-alternatives? |
| 17:08.53 | Diopter | silouck: The manpage can, and does. |
| 17:09.02 | nsadmin | silouck, should be in the man page... take a look at that |
| 17:09.14 | harold | Diopter: I was initially not making a filesystem... but that makes things difficult (the unix facilities that're there I can use... it's difficult to handle things without a fs (at least in my experience). I want to test data write integrity, hence me trying to do checksums afterwards (and see the 0's written at appropriate locations as I instructed the things to be written) |
| 17:09.17 | Diopter | silouck: Hit '/', and type --slave. It's under the --install option. |
| 17:09.19 | silouck | Diopter: i did read the manual but i still dont understand what --slave does |
| 17:09.21 | stew | silouck: it says that one set of symlinks should be changed when the master set is changed. for instance, when you say that "/usr/bin/pager" should run "/usr/bin/less" it also means that "man pager" should do the same as "man less" |
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| 17:11.55 | silouck | let me get a specific example |
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| 17:14.32 | Ormu | ah, pxe booting works finally |
| 17:14.36 | silouck | in a package, the scripts are: |
| 17:14.38 | silouck | /usr/sbin/update-alternatives \ |
| 17:14.39 | silouck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.41 | silouck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.42 | silouck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.59 | silouck | but i cant see /usr/lib64/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 |
| 17:15.09 | silouck | so seams that --slave didnt set any |
| 17:15.12 | nsadmin | Ormu, yay :) what was the final problem? |
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| 17:17.20 | silouck | Diopter: so seams --slave didnt do any, so what --slave should be used for? |
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| 17:18.05 | Ormu | nsadmin: the config files in netboot.tar.gz were empty, and the tarball was organised a bit weirdly... |
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| 17:18.21 | Ormu | or maybe windows just screwed the tarball directory structure |
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| 17:22.42 | nsadmin | Ormu, when I untarred, I saw 4 items, the first the dir debian-installer, the next 2 links into debian-installer soemwhere, the last a text file called version.info |
| 17:23.26 | silouck | does anyone knows who can help clarify about update-alternatives and --slave usage? |
| 17:23.27 | intore | hi, do you the way to increase internet speed for the lan with a debian server? |
| 17:24.11 | stew | silouck: sure, I tried to explain this once. did you not understand my explanation? |
| 17:24.22 | stew | silouck: when you change one link, the slave links all change also |
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| 17:24.50 | Ormu | nsadmin: so they're... LINKS? :D |
| 17:24.59 | silouck | stew: but when you use --slave does it install anything? |
| 17:25.01 | Ormu | that explains why they do not work on windows :D |
| 17:25.22 | silouck | stew: im a litle confused about --slave, what really does and its purpose |
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| 17:26.04 | stew | silouck: no, it doesn't install anything. it just configures additional links to be controlled by the alternative |
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| 17:26.58 | nsadmin | Ormu, yep |
| 17:27.02 | stew | silouck: it alters a file in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives |
| 17:27.32 | silouck | stew: thats what --install does |
| 17:27.38 | stew | silouck: yes |
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| 17:28.04 | silouck | --slave are more alternatives to the main one |
| 17:28.08 | stew | no |
| 17:28.27 | stew | more things to change when you select this alternative |
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| 17:29.36 | silouck | stew: can you clarify whats done in http://privatepaste.com/87958b571d |
| 17:29.50 | stew | silouck: i guess not |
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| 17:30.00 | stew | silouck: do you have less installed? |
| 17:30.28 | silouck | yes but what that has to do? |
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| 17:32.06 | stew | silouck: can you look at /var/lib/dpkg/indo/less.postinst ? there is an update-alternatives invocation at the beginning of the "configure" action. it says that when you do "update-alternatives --config pager" and select less as your pager, not only should /usr/bin/pager point to /usr/bin/less, but also the less manpage should be shown when you do "man pager", the --slave invocation there says to change the manpage when you change the master (/usr/ |
| 17:32.20 | sxpert1 | \o/ raspi has arrived ;) |
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| 17:32.46 | Ormu | nsadmin: ah yeah, actually the boot menu seems to be quite complex - i just made my own which has just two entries which must be booted by using the command line :D |
| 17:32.51 | stew | err /usr/lib/dpkg/info/less.postint * |
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| 17:33.11 | stew | err i suck, /var/lib/dpkg/info/less.postinst |
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| 17:34.07 | silouck | stew: correct, can you now look at http://privatepaste.com/87958b571d that isntalling an alternative gl_conf and setting the manual |
| 17:34.18 | stew | silouck: no, sorry |
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| 17:34.32 | silouck | but the manual does not exist |
| 17:34.48 | stew | silouck: what package is this in? |
| 17:34.49 | doubletwist | before I make a stupid bug report, am I missing something here? As far as I know, the default escape for telnet is ^]. In the debian telnet man page though, under the 'unset' arguments it says ^[. It's the same in a freebsd man page. But my solaris man page lists it as ^[. |
| 17:35.01 | silouck | stew: its not in any debian package |
| 17:35.08 | silouck | its a package im trying to do |
| 17:35.15 | doubletwist | But the rest of the debian/freebsd man pages show the correct ^] |
| 17:35.28 | Diopter | doubletwist: For the package "telnet"? |
| 17:35.32 | doubletwist | Diopter: yes |
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| 17:35.36 | juicy | hi, I was wondering how I could install debian on my USB and boot from it (not as a livesession, but an actual install) |
| 17:35.37 | Diopter | doubletwist: Make sure you're using the telnet you think you're using, first. There's several. |
| 17:35.37 | Solskogen | sooo.... lvm on top of a md-device (a raid5 in my case) is not supported? |
| 17:35.50 | Diopter | doubletwist: The "telnet" package is the netkit telnet. |
| 17:36.02 | doubletwist | ii telnet 0.17-36 |
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| 17:36.59 | doubletwist | Diopter: Regardless of which telnet package, am I incorrect in thinking that's a documentation bug though? |
| 17:37.03 | Diopter | doubletwist: I presume you're referring to "escape This is the telnet escape character (initially “^[”) which causes entry into telnet command mode (when connected to a remote system)." |
| 17:37.10 | doubletwist | Diopter: correct. |
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| 17:38.32 | Diopter | doubletwist: That would be a bug, yes. The other place in the manpage where it mentions the default escape is correct, but that one's not :P |
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| 17:44.54 | Bjohansen | Aloha |
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| 17:45.51 | stew | mahalo |
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| 17:46.00 | Somelauw | I can' t take it anymore. I' m going to upgrade to testing even it will break my system. Even the backports are slightly outdated. |
| 17:46.36 | themill | zomg... must have newer version numbers!!1!one! |
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| 17:46.57 | dvs | !sns |
| 17:46.57 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:47.43 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, why the hell isnt sun java in wheezy? is there any repository only with java? i dont wanna put there sid or squeezy repozitory |
| 17:47.45 | derpella | Hello. I use squeeze and I need to have firefox/iceweasel with firefox sync. I googled and tried but I got nothing. Where to find it? |
| 17:48.05 | dvs | DarkKnightCZ: because Oracle revoked the licence. |
| 17:48.06 | craigevil | DarkKnightCZ, nope Oracle changed the license |
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| 17:48.43 | craigevil | DarkKnightCZ, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/craigevil-176422/howto-install-oracle-java-on-debian-34567/ |
| 17:48.49 | DarkKnightCZ | yes, i know, but then it can be in non-free, right? (with accepting licence agreement) |
| 17:49.01 | themill | DarkKnightCZ: no, oracle prevented anyone from even doing that |
| 17:49.05 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: no, the new license terms make it illegal for us to redistribute |
| 17:49.08 | dvs | DarkKnightCZ: no, the new licence doesn't allow it. |
| 17:49.16 | craigevil | DarkKnightCZ, no it cannot be redistributed period |
| 17:49.17 | themill | DarkKnightCZ: openjdk-7-jre is the reference implementation for java 7. If what you're doing doesn't work with openjdk-7, it's broken java. |
| 17:49.34 | dvs | So we all disagree? ;-P |
| 17:49.47 | Iridos | we disagree to disagree? |
| 17:49.52 | DarkKnightCZ | openjdk is sh*t :) so nope |
| 17:49.54 | Bjohansen | no |
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| 17:49.57 | DarkKnightCZ | stew: oh |
| 17:50.00 | DarkKnightCZ | craigevil: thanks |
| 17:50.11 | themill | DarkKnightCZ: have you actually tried openjdk-7? |
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| 17:50.22 | craigevil | openjdk-7 has messed up depends, no reason it should depend on a bunch of gnome/gvfs crap |
| 17:50.23 | silouck | DarkKnightCZ: im running it |
| 17:50.33 | themill | craigevil: bug numbers? |
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| 17:52.02 | craigevil | themill, dont know of any i said screw it and installed oracle java 7, http://paste.debian.net/173011/ |
| 17:52.19 | craigevil | thats all the crap installing openjdk-7-jre would install on my kde system |
| 17:52.31 | themill | craigevil: please file bugs... things don't get fixed if no-one files bugs. |
| 17:52.52 | craigevil | now if i could figure out how to remove openjdk6 without openjdk7 trying to install i would be happy |
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| 17:53.20 | themill | craigevil: if you are convinced you have a working java, use equivs. |
| 17:53.28 | craigevil | themill, what would i file the bug under? |
| 17:53.45 | craigevil | oh Java 7 works just fine, java-package rocks |
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| 17:54.09 | themill | craigevil: you're implying it's a packaging mistake, so "reportbug openjdk-7-jre" |
| 17:54.21 | Talon_ | is there a small netinstall cd for wheezy/sid? |
| 17:54.55 | craigevil | i dont see why openjdk7 would need all of those depends, openjdk6 doesnt |
| 17:54.56 | dvs | java-package still works? Hurray! |
| 17:55.15 | craigevil | dvs, it just came back recently |
| 17:55.18 | stew | craigevil: its filed as #661465 |
| 17:55.40 | dvs | craigevil: Out of necessity, for sure. |
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| 17:56.53 | elum | Talon_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:58.23 | craigevil | doesnt look like that bug is going to get fixed any time soon, w00t for java-package |
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| 17:58.46 | stew | yeah, its still waiting for volunteers |
| 17:58.50 | stew | or use -headless |
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| 17:59.42 | craigevil | or use Oracle java since it doesn't need any of those packages :) |
| 17:59.43 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 18:00.52 | ircnode0 | I need to enter WPA key to use wireless network, but in wireless security list there are only: WEP 40/128-bit Key, WEP 128-bit Passphrase, LEAP and Dynamic WEP. Where is WPA? |
| 18:01.15 | elum | What's the difference between the normal openjdk packages and the headless ones? |
| 18:01.27 | stew | craigevil: i'd rather keep my free software in exchange for a little disk space. any day |
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| 18:02.01 | craigevil | i would rather not having anything installed i dont need |
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| 18:03.54 | tash | I need some assistance with some init scripts. I am attempting to launch a daemon that listens on 3 different IP addresses on the same box. There are 3 separate files in /etc/init.d/ and symlinked in /etc/rc2.d to their respective init.d file...each of their config files lives in /etc/default and they are named respectively, no duplicate names. When I boot though, only the first one starts, and the other 2 appear to just be ignored. Is there somewhere that wou |
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| 18:04.05 | Somelauw | If I dist-upgrade to testing. Is it very likely to break my system immediately? |
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| 18:04.23 | Somelauw | I'm thinking of dual booting stable and testing. |
| 18:04.52 | no_al_nonnismo | hi |
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| 18:05.19 | kp55 | depends, dist-upgraded fine to a vps we dont have x on, stable as hell |
| 18:05.33 | kp55 | tried on another we use nomachine on |
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| 18:05.39 | kp55 | didnt go that well |
| 18:06.10 | no_al_nonnismo | is there a central config file i can edit to enable/diable services of /etc/init.d/ ? The only way i can do it is to use the gnome program of services settings |
| 18:06.40 | kp55 | a gnome infinite loop :) ill see what, sec |
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| 18:06.57 | Somelauw | Well, i will just do it and otherwise I can easily re-install. I haven' t made the stable partition yet, but this system is brand new anyway. As long as it doesn' t destroy the bios I' m fine. |
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| 18:09.22 | LtL | no_al_nonnismo: you can use /usr/sbin/update-rc.d or a simpler program is rcconf to disable/enable services if that's what you mean. |
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| 18:10.05 | no_al_nonnismo | LtL: thanks. :) |
| 18:10.21 | LtL | no_al_nonnismo: welcome |
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| 18:12.00 | jhutchins_lt | Somelauw: dual-booting is a great way to run testing. If it's broken and the fix comes out, you can just chroot to the testing partition and update. |
| 18:12.49 | jhutchins_lt | You also have the working stable version to compare what caused something to break. |
| 18:13.34 | tash | can you start multiple instances of a daemon that listens on different IP's via 1 init script? |
| 18:13.38 | Somelauw | jhutchins_lt: Should I make them share the same home partition? |
| 18:13.44 | no_al_nonnismo | LtL: i got many lines with "start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start" for various services. Also there're strange ones like "kbd" and "keyboard setup" that i've never seen on the other program (the gnome service settings program) is it normal? |
| 18:13.45 | jhutchins_lt | no_al_nonnismo: There's also a script version of chkconfig and other utils that manage init. |
| 18:14.20 | jhutchins_lt | Somelauw: No, you have different versions of program's hidden config files. They'll get updated and break the older versions. Especially true of GUI apps. |
| 18:14.21 | Somelauw | Or wait I think I can make the stable an everything on the same partition distro. |
| 18:14.40 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: do your init scripts have LSB headers? |
| 18:14.53 | Somelauw | So a stable, unstable and unstable-home partition is what I will end up with. |
| 18:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | Somelauw: What you can do is keep a common directory for data/documents/music/photos and symlink it to both home dirs. |
| 18:15.10 | Somelauw | If testing breaks, I will mount the testing partition. |
| 18:15.15 | jhutchins_lt | Somelauw: No need for seperate /home partitions. |
| 18:15.28 | no_al_nonnismo | stew: i dont know what's LSB. i've never configured that |
| 18:15.45 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 18:16.04 | n-iCe | hi guys, do you know any software to handle and monitor wireless networks? |
| 18:16.20 | n-iCe | besides wicd and nm |
| 18:16.28 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: but your description of the errors you got was confusing. we could probably help better if you show us the actual errors in a pastebin |
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| 18:17.30 | dvs | n-iCe: The only other way I know of is wpa-supplicant. |
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| 18:17.37 | stew | n-iCe: ifplugd? |
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| 18:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | no_al_nonnismo: What release are you using? |
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| 18:18.39 | no_al_nonnismo | stew: ok, http://pastebin.com/U3ShiqnE |
| 18:19.17 | stew | woah, someone has been doing some weird stuff |
| 18:19.43 | no_al_nonnismo | stew: what do you mean? is my machine compromised? o.O |
| 18:19.46 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: so you have gdm, the thing that lets you login, start when you halt the system? |
| 18:19.57 | stew | oh, no |
| 18:19.59 | stew | i misread that |
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| 18:20.12 | stew | it just never runs, which is fine |
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| 18:20.33 | stew | anyway, that all looks pretty normal, and I don't see any errors |
| 18:20.36 | no_al_nonnismo | stew: i *had* gdm installed. then i switched to gdm3 (but i dont use gnome anymore) |
| 18:20.45 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: this is just wanrning you that you've disabled a lot of stuff |
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| 18:22.11 | no_al_nonnismo | stew: ah, ok. but what are those "kbd" and "keyboard-setup" services? my keyboard works just fine, so why are there those 2 services? they run a keyboard configuration program on startup?!? |
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| 18:22.51 | abrotman | n-iCe: also wifiradar |
| 18:23.07 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: "pager /etc/init.d/kbd" "pager /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup" |
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| 18:23.35 | stew | no_al_nonnismo: you should perhaps see "This is the boot script for the `kbd' package It loads parameters from /etc/kbd/config and maybe loads default font and map" |
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| 18:23.53 | Iridos | oh, there's /usr/bin/pager and editor now, not just $PAGER |
| 18:24.03 | n-iCe | abrotman: thanks! |
| 18:24.10 | stew | Iridos: that's not new in the last 10 years |
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| 18:24.37 | craigevil | hm wifi-radar is still being maintained? thought it died a quiet death a while back |
| 18:24.41 | no_al_nonnismo | stew: done (i use less :) . ok , it seems ok . thanks for the infos :) |
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| 18:25.03 | Iridos | well, new to me :) |
| 18:25.13 | Iridos | but what would the world be if one already knew everything |
| 18:25.27 | nsadmin | known |
| 18:25.31 | stew | Iridos: there is also sensible-pager and sensible-editor which check the env var first, then fall back to /usr/bin/{pager,editor} |
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| 18:25.50 | craigevil | n-iCe, there is ceni its a ncurses network tool, but it isnt in official Debian repos |
| 18:26.04 | Iridos | yeah, those I've seen set in ... dunno, stuff like konqueror or so as the default editor |
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| 18:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Default editor in a GUI is not the default editor for the console. |
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| 18:28.01 | g3orge | why is apt-get moo a thing? Where did they use it first?? |
| 18:28.23 | tremon | apt-get moo isn't a thing |
| 18:28.37 | oo_miguel | my new custom kernel says: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) :( |
| 18:28.44 | oo_miguel | any idea what I might have missed? |
| 18:28.52 | tremon | oo_miguel: make-kpkg? |
| 18:29.32 | nsadmin | g3orge, the author likes cows |
| 18:29.59 | oo_miguel | tremon: make && make install && grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg && grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 18:30.04 | oo_miguel | is what I did |
| 18:30.15 | g3orge | nsadmin: just that? lol |
| 18:30.42 | nsadmin | to err is human... to give milk, bovine |
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| 18:31.49 | tremon | so... no initramfs? Did you compile in all required drivers (fs, md, sata)? Does your root= argument specify a device node? |
| 18:32.10 | nsadmin | !moo |
| 18:32.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/*office/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 18:33.42 | dvs | it's not aptitude moo now? |
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| 18:34.59 | kevlarman | s/you could be too/and so can you/ |
| 18:35.54 | oo_miguel | tremon: I have no initramfs, and i specify a device, howver Im not sure about the drivers :( |
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| 18:36.57 | tremon | oo_miguel: the one upside of initramfs is that it gives you a rescue shell instead of kernel panic, so you can do some investigation |
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| 18:37.33 | stew | oo_miguel: without an initramfs, you can't expect the kernel to fetch kernel modules from your ext3 filesytem on your sata drive in order to learn how to talk to a ext3 filesystem on a sata drive. Anything it needs to mount the root partition must be compiled into the kernel directly, not as modules |
| 18:37.36 | oo_miguel | what are the minmal things I do need in order for my sata drive to work |
| 18:37.48 | oo_miguel | i have no modules |
| 18:38.00 | oo_miguel | I want to compile everything into the kernel |
| 18:38.28 | oo_miguel | I compiled the ata_piix into the kernel for instance |
| 18:38.40 | oo_miguel | which is responsible for my sata drive as far as I know |
| 18:38.45 | oo_miguel | but it seems not to be enough |
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| 18:39.24 | nsadmin | oo_miguel, filesystem modules |
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| 18:39.35 | oo_miguel | do I need to run "mrproper" after every change to the .config? |
| 18:39.50 | nsadmin | mrproper deletes the .config |
| 18:39.58 | oo_miguel | I backed it up : |
| 18:40.00 | oo_miguel | :) |
| 18:40.20 | oo_miguel | or some make clean ? |
| 18:40.39 | nsadmin | after you do that, you should run make oldconfig with the .config present |
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| 18:42.32 | stew | oo_miguel: no, you don't |
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| 18:45.27 | tremon | oo_miguel: try make clean localyesconfig, if it still exists |
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| 18:45.52 | dvs | always forgets about that option |
| 18:46.40 | tremon | yeah, I knew it existed but took some time finding the exact incantation :) |
| 18:46.42 | oo_miguel | tremon: I do not like this approach .. |
| 18:47.00 | oo_miguel | I want to know exactly what is the minmal set of .config options that will make my sata drive work |
| 18:47.06 | tremon | oo_miguel: go around and try again? |
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| 18:48.37 | nfbvieira | hey guys |
| 18:49.02 | tremon | oo_miguel: I thought you said you don't want to use modules at all? |
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| 18:51.54 | bolt-phone | test |
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| 18:52.18 | tremon | !test |
| 18:52.18 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 18:52.32 | bolt-phone | !test |
| 18:52.33 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 18:52.38 | bolt-phone | meh |
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| 18:52.44 | dpkg | Yes, nfbvieira, you are online. |
| 18:52.51 | nfbvieira | thanks |
| 18:53.05 | alkisg | Is it appropriate for packageA to ship an example in /usr/share/doc/packageB/examples, or at least create a symlink there? |
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| 18:58.18 | oo_miguel | so, I think my sata drive works finally :) |
| 18:58.30 | oo_miguel | howver I get this now: Kernel panic-not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel |
| 18:58.56 | Diopter | oo_miguel: Didn't you say you have no initramfs? |
| 18:59.15 | Diopter | oo_miguel: You're going to have to specify where to find the 'init' binary, from the look |
| 18:59.30 | MO_Handes | is there any yahoo IM client that can log status messages as well as chats? |
| 18:59.36 | tremon | oo_miguel: the kernel can find your disk just fine, but it can't mount it or the device isn't your root partition |
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| 19:01.01 | oo_miguel | I have no initramfs as far as I know. |
| 19:01.18 | abrotman | you don't? |
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| 19:01.23 | oo_miguel | and the kernel lies on the boot partition |
| 19:01.36 | oo_miguel | ah |
| 19:01.40 | oo_miguel | i mean on the root partition |
| 19:02.16 | oo_miguel | but is the new kernel panic a step further compared to the kernel panic before? |
| 19:02.21 | oo_miguel | or is it a step back :) ? |
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| 19:04.24 | tremon | oo_miguel: did you notice my previous comment? |
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| 19:05.55 | oo_miguel | tremon: yes. the Kernel panic before was: unable to mount block device |
| 19:06.10 | oo_miguel | so I am not sure wchich error was worse . |
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| 19:06.20 | tremon | the former |
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| 19:07.11 | oo_miguel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.21 | tremon | but it's hard to say what's wrong since you can't debug at that point without initramfs |
| 19:07.34 | tremon | oo_miguel: try losing the quiet, for starters |
| 19:07.53 | oo_miguel | ok |
| 19:08.04 | tremon | and if you have multiple disks or controllers, try sdb, sdc and sde too |
| 19:08.14 | oo_miguel | i have sda only |
| 19:08.20 | oo_miguel | and sda5 is definitely where the root is |
| 19:08.39 | oo_miguel | at least it works with the other kernels |
| 19:08.41 | tremon | did you compile the correct filesystem into the kernel? |
| 19:08.46 | oo_miguel | ext3 |
| 19:09.00 | oo_miguel | and thats what "mount" states the /dev/sda5 is |
| 19:10.05 | tremon | ok, that's as far as my crystal ball goes |
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| 19:10.36 | oo_miguel | I will try with initramfs I guess |
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| 19:10.46 | oo_miguel | but thank you a lot so far! |
| 19:10.55 | tremon | yw |
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| 19:12.33 | oo_miguel | maybe I need MSDOS partition selection |
| 19:12.51 | oo_miguel | CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION |
| 19:13.03 | tremon | i didn't even you could unselect that... |
| 19:13.12 | oo_miguel | eheheh |
| 19:13.21 | oo_miguel | you can unselect almost EVERYTHING :) |
| 19:13.34 | oo_miguel | thats the root of all my problems |
| 19:13.50 | oo_miguel | ill put this and the initramfs now inside and see what happens |
| 19:13.53 | kevlarman | heh that reminds me |
| 19:14.05 | oo_miguel | as well as throw the quiet directive away from grub |
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| 19:14.23 | kevlarman | why is there a latency top package and a kernel that doesn't have latencytop support compiled in? |
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| 19:15.39 | Diopter | kevlarman: That appears to be a discrepancy between what latencytop expects and what the kernel has. My "testing" kernel has CONFIG_HAVE_LATENCYTOP_SUPPORT=y, but not CONFIG_LATENCYTOP |
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| 19:15.51 | Diopter | kevlarman: The binary is looking for the latter only |
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| 19:18.04 | oo_miguel | the initrd.image is not buid automatically by "make" ? |
| 19:18.14 | Somelauw | I did a dist-upgrade but it stopped with an error. I am not sure if it finished upgrading. |
| 19:18.29 | Diopter | Somelauw: Run it again! |
| 19:19.14 | oo_miguel | will have to use make-kpkg? |
| 19:19.16 | tremon | oo_miguel: no, the initrd contents depend on your package selection, not your kernel config |
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| 19:19.28 | Somelauw | sudo: unable to stat /etc/sudoers: No such file or directory |
| 19:19.30 | Somelauw | sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting |
| 19:19.32 | Somelauw | sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin |
| 19:19.34 | Somelauw | This is bad, right? |
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| 19:20.02 | tremon | the only thing make-kpkg does is register the correct hooks so that update-initramfs gets invoked automically after installing the .deb |
| 19:20.50 | abrotman | Somelauw: does the file exdist? can your user read it ? |
| 19:21.02 | tremon | Somelauw: it's only bad if you have disabled the root account |
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| 19:22.09 | oo_miguel | how do i get my initrd.img than? |
| 19:22.32 | oo_miguel | ah |
| 19:22.37 | oo_miguel | with the update-initramfs :) |
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| 19:22.59 | tremon | oo_miguel: as long as you did enable initramfs support in kconfig... |
| 19:23.26 | Iridos | wonders how one gets from a possibly failed dist-upgrade to a missing sudoers file |
| 19:23.41 | kevlarman | abrotman: wait what? sudoers shouldn't be world readable |
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| 19:24.07 | tremon | opines that it might have something to do with /etc/sudoers becoming a conffile in wheezy |
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| 19:24.49 | Somelauw | But seriously, how can I resolve this? |
| 19:24.51 | tremon | Iridos: but I'd say that failing on a missing conffile is an rc bug |
| 19:25.35 | peterrooney | smells Pangolin |
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| 19:26.05 | Iridos | err, it hasn't always been a conffile? What's it been before? |
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| 19:26.30 | Iridos | It's in /etc, it's user-edited, .. are you saying package upgrades used to overwrite it? |
| 19:26.59 | peterrooney | Iridos: IIRC, it's a generated file. |
| 19:27.51 | oo_miguel | W: kernel 2-6.32-miguel-mini too old for initramfs on |
| 19:27.56 | oo_miguel | why? |
| 19:27.58 | tremon | iirc /etc/sudoers used to be unmanaged, i.e. never overwritten once there. Now it's supposed to be maintainer-supplied with local modifications in /etc/sudoers.d |
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| 19:28.33 | Iridos | oh, ok |
| 19:28.51 | peterrooney | so a whack update could take away a user's ability to manage the machine? |
| 19:29.17 | tremon | ... hence my suggestion about rc bug :) |
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| 19:29.29 | abrotman | kevlarman: oh, no, you're right .. but can any user read teh file .. sorry |
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| 19:29.40 | Iridos | although I'm not totally sure what a "whack update" is... can't it always? :) |
| 19:29.53 | tremon | but failing to update is still better than updating and locking out the user |
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| 19:31.30 | tremon | Somelauw: have you tried creating the file and restarting dist-upgrade? |
| 19:31.47 | Somelauw | But really. I just did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. I really didn't delete /etc/sudoers. |
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| 19:32.35 | tremon | Somelauw: and sudo now won't run anymore? That's definitely rc material |
| 19:32.59 | Iridos | well, would be even worse if it suddenly gave everyone root access |
| 19:33.15 | peterrooney | the postinstall script creates /etc/sudoers if it's not there |
| 19:34.10 | Iridos | anyway, I think overwriting a config file would violate policy... even if you just reclassified it |
| 19:34.11 | Somelauw | But so I learned upgrading to testing can be very dangerous. Luckily I got a live cd. |
| 19:34.18 | tremon | ... which doesn't really explain why it isn't there is the upgrade fails |
| 19:34.46 | tremon | isn't well-versed in Debian policy |
| 19:35.30 | kevlarman | Somelauw: quicker to use init=/bin/bash :P |
| 19:36.18 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: did you do anything else? it's rather unusual for /etc/sudoers to get destroyed. |
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| 19:37.30 | Iridos | well, user-modified ones anyway, which is a bit difficult in this case... anyway, can't find the relevant bit |
| 19:37.53 | Somelauw | Well first I did a dist-upgrade without the -f and accepted the first solution without reading |
| 19:38.15 | Somelauw | also this is not a pure debian. |
| 19:38.29 | superstraw | super |
| 19:38.39 | Somelauw | i sourced crunchbang |
| 19:38.52 | peterrooney | Iridos: sudoers suggests putting everything in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
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| 19:38.54 | Somelauw | but this system is wasted |
| 19:39.11 | peterrooney | told you I smelled Pangolin. I wasn't far off. |
| 19:39.18 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: uh... if this isn't pure Debian, then there's not much to do. |
| 19:39.28 | dondelelcaro | Somelauw: all sorts of things could have been screwed up |
| 19:40.03 | Iridos | oh, here, was barking up the wrong tree... or looking at the wrong section of the policy |
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| 19:40.30 | Iridos | tremon, I meant http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files specifically 10.7.3 |
| 19:40.43 | Somelauw | I really hope it didn't repartition or remove the bios |
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| 19:41.08 | s7r | i have a debian dedicated server.. is there anything i can install on it to create a virtual machine with windows xp on it ? |
| 19:41.14 | Iridos | and it's always been a configuration file, now it's also a conffile |
| 19:41.14 | s7r | and access that machine via remote desktop? |
| 19:41.22 | s7r | is there any command-line virtualization solution available? |
| 19:41.27 | nvz | s7r: Virtual Box |
| 19:41.36 | kevlarman | also kvm |
| 19:41.41 | Diopter | s7r: kvm. libvirt makes it easier to manage. virt-install makes libvirt easier. |
| 19:42.05 | s7r | which is the best (and free) ? |
| 19:42.37 | nvz | both are free, and best is a matter of opinion.. though I spoke before I realized you wanted solely command line |
| 19:42.58 | kevlarman | solely command line is going to make installing xp difficult |
| 19:43.04 | tremon | Iridos: thanks. But I think it's covered: "local changes must be preserved during a package upgrade" and "Obsolete configuration files without local changes may be removed by the package during upgrade" |
| 19:43.13 | nvz | I'm not sure if you can solely install/run a vm in vbox from command line without X... I just know it can do RDP and run Windows |
| 19:43.27 | s7r | guys ... i don't want command line only |
| 19:43.30 | s7r | i mean i only have root ssh access |
| 19:43.37 | s7r | can i do anything to access the desktop? |
| 19:43.42 | s7r | can i install something like vlc, etc ? |
| 19:43.44 | s7r | via command line? |
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| 19:43.51 | s7r | and then install windows xp using that |
| 19:44.04 | s7r | sorry my questions might be / are odd but i am newbie |
| 19:44.11 | tremon | s7r: you can't install winxp through remote desktop, right? |
| 19:44.17 | Diopter | s7r: I believe you mean VNC, and the answer is yes, but, you can also install virtualbox or a kvm/qemu solution from the commandline. |
| 19:44.18 | nvz | s7r: more than likely no matter how you do it, you'll have to install winxp on a machine with a graphic system then copy the image |
| 19:44.42 | Diopter | nvz: Not true. You can run XP in a VM in headless mode, which emulates a VGA adapter but doesn't require it to be displayed. |
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| 19:44.51 | Diopter | nvz: both kvm and virtualbox can do this |
| 19:45.16 | nvz | Diopter: well I'd have to just take your word on that.. I have no experience with that. |
| 19:45.21 | kevlarman | Diopter: run it yes, but installing xp requires being able to click |
| 19:45.21 | tremon | s7r: what I use here (I use it rarely, but still) is running kvm on a headless server with its console on vnc, then connect from my desktop to the vnc port |
| 19:45.43 | Diopter | kevlarman: Yes, which you can do when you VNC into the hypervisor, to view the screen of the VM. |
| 19:45.44 | s7r | Diopter: if i install virtualbox from the commandline how i install windows xp after? |
| 19:45.52 | tremon | (it's kvm's console on vnc, not the server's) |
| 19:46.00 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 19:46.33 | s7r | Diopter: if i install virtualbox via command line .. it will also give me VNC access to the hypervisor? |
| 19:46.49 | Diopter | s7r: You would create the VM, specifying the image of the installation CD to boot from, and setting up remote access to vbox. |
| 19:46.56 | LaptopBrain | how can i install mono-apache-server2 without the massive X dependency? |
| 19:47.14 | s7r | and i can do all this remotely via command line? |
| 19:47.33 | frostschutz | you don't even have to copy the image if you let kvm work with the real hdd :) |
| 19:47.36 | Diopter | Yes. I didn't say it's easy or fun, but it's certainly quite possible :P |
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| 19:47.49 | desg | is there a guide on how to directly install testing from the livecd? |
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| 19:48.00 | Diopter | I would recommend kvm + libvirt + virt-install over trying to manually configure a virtualbox VM from the CLI with vboxmanage |
| 19:48.18 | Diopter | Because qemu/virsh/virt-install >>> vbox tooling |
| 19:48.23 | Leave_This_Place | desg: yeah by using the wheezy install cd |
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| 19:48.33 | desg | .. |
| 19:48.33 | javi1212 | hello. how can I restore the position of close, minice and maximice by default in gnome 3 at wheezy? |
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| 19:48.45 | kian | according to debian/FHS, where is the correct place to store backups (e.g., on a backup server)? |
| 19:49.04 | Diopter | kian: Probably a mounted partition under /var |
| 19:49.26 | kian | Diopter: so /var/local/backups maybe? |
| 19:49.33 | desg | Leave_This_Place: yeah i know i use that but how do i enable testing? |
| 19:49.37 | s7r | many thanks for your help guys. i will do some more reading and get back if something |
| 19:49.43 | Diopter | kian: Right. Or historically, there was /var/backups |
| 19:50.04 | kevlarman | Diopter: someone made a command line interface to vbox that sucks less than vboxmanage |
| 19:50.07 | Leave_This_Place | desg: the testing cd isn't going to have squeeze repo enabled, it's going to have wheezy |
| 19:50.12 | kevlarman | the name is slipping my mind atm |
| 19:50.15 | Diopter | kevlarman: lolwat? I don't believe you! ;P |
| 19:50.18 | stew | not /var/backups |
| 19:50.21 | kevlarman | but yeah i'd say use kvm |
| 19:50.24 | nvz | javi1212: I'd search for it in gconf-editor in gnome2 its under apps>metacity>general>button_layout |
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| 19:50.59 | javi1212 | nvz : gconf or dconf? |
| 19:51.02 | stew | /var/local is "Variable data for /usr/local" |
| 19:51.04 | kian | Diopter: ill stick with that then, to avoid mkdir /backups i suppose |
| 19:51.15 | tash | if something fails to start in rc2.d should that log somewhere? syslog? |
| 19:51.16 | nvz | javi1212: never heard of dconf |
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| 19:51.25 | kian | stew: better suggestion than /var/local/backups then? |
| 19:51.35 | Diopter | Leave_This_Place: It can actually be a bit more complicated than that. There's testing builds of the debian installer which install stable, and there are stable builds of the debian installer which install testing. |
| 19:51.42 | kevlarman | Diopter: vagrant |
| 19:51.51 | kian | /mnt says "temporarily mounted", which this isnt -- its a second drive |
| 19:52.14 | stew | kian: /var/lib/$something? |
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| 19:52.17 | Leave_This_Place | Diopter: are you talking about official installers? No |
| 19:52.17 | Diopter | kevlarman: Oh, pssh. That's not exactly a cli tool, it's a Ruby program that bootstraps VMs. I also wouldn't call that easier than vboxmanage, unless you've already got a Vagrantfile built :P |
| 19:52.20 | javi1212 | nvz: I have it installed and it is like gconf. But I think it has thing of gnome 3 |
| 19:52.32 | javi1212 | *things |
| 19:52.45 | nvz | w/e I haven't a clue.. was just giving you an idea of where to look |
| 19:52.46 | kevlarman | Diopter: i didn't say easier, i said sucks less :P |
| 19:52.51 | Diopter | stew: I prefer /var/$something for something peranently mounted |
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| 19:52.57 | tremon | kian: what's wrong with /var/backups? |
| 19:52.57 | Diopter | kevlarman: Ok fair enough. I'll buy that :P |
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| 19:53.06 | stew | Diopter: ok, but he was talking about FHS |
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| 19:53.32 | stew | Diopter: "Applications must generally not add directories to the top level of /var" |
| 19:53.37 | kian | tremon: it says it is "reserved for historical reasons" |
| 19:53.49 | tremon | ah... still used by apt and dpkg though :) |
| 19:53.58 | Diopter | stew: Yes. But /var/lib is variable state information for programs. There's not really a great place... |
| 19:54.00 | nvz | javi1212: all I know is, to change it with gnome2 I edit that key and put in "menu:minimize,maximize,close" as the value |
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| 19:54.09 | nfbvieira | i'm trying to backport vim-gnome, but i'm getting this error when trying to run dpkg-buildpackage http://pastie.org/4033628 |
| 19:54.16 | nfbvieira | anyone knows a fix? |
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| 19:55.40 | javi1212 | nvz : thanks you very much, it worked :D |
| 19:55.57 | stew | Diopter: i do believe that is where backuppc,dirvish,baccula and probably others store backups, fwiw |
| 19:56.26 | nvz | javi1212: same key name? |
| 19:56.37 | Diopter | stew: I think you're right, I just don't like it. Then again, no one consistently implements FHS, so I won't have too much heartburn about it :P |
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| 19:56.59 | javi1212 | nvz : I paste that and now is like default |
| 19:57.06 | kian | do we know how the debian org stores backups? i can just follow them :p |
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| 19:57.28 | nvz | javi1212: yes, but was the setting at the same key name /apps/metacity/general/button_layout ? |
| 19:58.06 | javi1212 | yes |
| 19:58.11 | tremon | kian: I think it would depend on the use case. I can see an app using /var/cache/backups for b2d2t procedures, or maybe /var/lib/backups for incremental b2d. backup media can be mounted on /mnt or /media, depending on its use |
| 19:58.27 | nvz | javi1212: I wasnt sure if gnome3 even used metacity |
| 19:58.50 | javi1212 | nvz : gnome shell I dont know, but fallback yes |
| 19:58.51 | tremon | kian: for a permanently mounted backup target, I'd use /media/backup or smth |
| 19:58.54 | kian | tremon: yeah understandable, this is a RAID10 volume that will be permanently mounted, hence my reluctance to use /mnt |
| 20:00.06 | javi1212 | well, thanks nvz. goodbye |
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| 20:03.55 | telemachus | Fresh install of Wheezy: neither aptitude nor apt-get seem to be willing/able to autoremove installed dependencies |
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| 20:04.13 | telemachus | No preferences in /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d |
| 20:04.18 | telemachus | Any thoughts welcome... |
| 20:04.24 | bellman | some wheezy update seemed to make my /etc/network/interfaces ineffective... I now have to manually "ifconfig eth0 up && ifconfig lo up" to have networking.. any ideas? or any ideas what to look for in logs? |
| 20:04.52 | Somelauw | I found two files: sudoers.dpkg-new sudoers.pre-conffile |
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| 20:05.54 | nsadmin | those are remnants of the configure process |
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| 20:07.38 | stew | telemachus: are you getting an error? |
| 20:08.17 | telemachus | stew: No error. But for example I just installed xfce. Then went to uninstall it, and only xfce4 goes, not it's 91 dependencies. |
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| 20:08.38 | telemachus | I had to manually carve up aptitude's log to uninstall the auto-installed dependencies. |
| 20:09.10 | stew | Somelauw: looking at the postinst script for sudo, it looks like it must not have completed configuration |
| 20:09.32 | stew | telemachus: are they marked as manually or automatically installed? |
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| 20:09.47 | peterrooney | telemachus: check apt-get autoremove, and also deborphan |
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| 20:09.58 | telemachus | peterrooney: tried both: no joy |
| 20:10.01 | tremon | telemachus: grep -ri auto /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 20:10.08 | telemachus | stew: when I install them they are marked with {a} |
| 20:10.18 | telemachus | so they *should* be marked as automatically installed, yes? |
| 20:10.22 | telemachus | tremon: k, one sec |
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| 20:10.36 | stew | telemachus: yes |
| 20:10.51 | stew | telemachus: can you run "aptitude why pacakgename" on one that is marked as auto-installed that you think should be auto-removed? |
| 20:10.52 | telemachus | tremon: nailed it |
| 20:11.00 | telemachus | I was looking in the wrong place for configuration options |
| 20:11.18 | stew | telemachus: what was it then? |
| 20:11.21 | telemachus | I'm back to Debian after a few years, but this is new to me: NeverAutoRemove is a default now? |
| 20:11.30 | stew | telemachus: no, its not |
| 20:11.35 | telemachus | stew: It seems that I have a preference file I didn't create |
| 20:11.48 | peterrooney | telemachus: even aptitude search ~M ? # grasping at straws here |
| 20:11.50 | tremon | NeverAutoRemove is a section, there should be a very minor match there |
| 20:12.03 | tremon | it's to prevent uninstalling kernels, mostly |
| 20:12.03 | telemachus | oh, duh |
| 20:12.04 | telemachus | lol |
| 20:12.08 | telemachus | looking at it now, right |
| 20:12.12 | telemachus | sighs |
| 20:12.30 | telemachus | sorry, slower than I would like to get back into the swing of this |
| 20:12.46 | telemachus | yeah, it's only for firmare and kernel stuff |
| 20:12.49 | tremon | was hoping for a keepauto config somewhere :) |
| 20:13.02 | craigevil | pounces on telemachus |
| 20:13.11 | tremon | or, actually, it's keepsuggested |
| 20:13.12 | telemachus | yo, craigevil |
| 20:13.14 | telemachus | how you? |
| 20:13.18 | craigevil | good |
| 20:13.22 | telemachus | cool |
| 20:13.28 | tremon | ducksducksgoes |
| 20:13.29 | telemachus | look at me: I'm a noob all over again |
| 20:13.42 | tremon | hmm... googling has a better ring to it |
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| 20:14.15 | telemachus | stew: Ok, so aptitude why xterm says "slim Recommends xterm" |
| 20:14.26 | telemachus | that's why it was installed - because I installed slim |
| 20:14.47 | stew | and slim is auto or manual? |
| 20:15.06 | telemachus | but aptitude purge slim ignores xterm (and the other auto-installed item) |
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| 20:15.09 | telemachus | it's marked auto |
| 20:15.22 | telemachus | Automatically installed: yes |
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| 20:16.11 | tremon | telemachus: do you have Aptitude::Keep-Recommends or Aptitude::Keep-Suggests in your apt.conf? Or Aptitude::Delete-Unused false? |
| 20:16.33 | stew | telemachus: after purging slim, what does "aptitude why xterm" say? |
| 20:17.26 | telemachus | stew: Now it says xinit Recommends xterm |
| 20:17.35 | telemachus | hrm |
| 20:17.40 | telemachus | tremon: checking, but I think no |
| 20:17.48 | tremon | you gotta love dependency cycles :) |
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| 20:19.49 | telemachus | tremon: no apt.conf file at all |
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| 20:20.02 | tremon | apt.conf.d :) |
| 20:20.05 | telemachus | It's a very new install |
| 20:21.23 | stew | telemachus: are you trying to get rid of X completely? did you try "aptitude why xinit"? |
| 20:21.47 | telemachus | no, there's a Never-MarkAuto-Sections section (!) in apt.conf.d/01autoremove, but it doesn't seem relevant here (for slim) |
| 20:21.51 | tremon | I don't expect those parameters, but they can explain the situation. If not, the only reason why they're not autmatically uninstalled would be because of other dependencies |
| 20:22.05 | tremon | ... recommends... suggests |
| 20:22.53 | telemachus | stew: No. To back up: I did a very minimal install (only the standard base), and I'm building up from that. My preference is Openbox, but I was trying xfce4 quickly. I was surprised to see that autoremoval doesn't seem to work at all. So I've been experimenting. |
| 20:23.20 | kp55 | local install, or is this a vps? |
| 20:23.24 | telemachus | As far as I can tell, dependencies aren't getting cleaned, period. |
| 20:23.34 | telemachus | kp55: local (a laptop, if it matters) |
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| 20:25.16 | tremon | telemachus: have you tried aptitude install libtool ; aptitude markauto libtool (assuming you have no build-essential installed)? |
| 20:25.47 | bardzusny | some time ago there was talk of broken auto-removal here, I confirm what telemachus says. |
| 20:25.58 | bardzusny | aptitude remove something deletes something, but not neccessarily it's dependencies |
| 20:26.02 | kp55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.12 | bardzusny | [sid] |
| 20:26.12 | kp55 | how/source? |
| 20:26.31 | telemachus | kp55: I used the netinstall disc of the latest weekly (?) Wheezy build |
| 20:26.35 | bardzusny | telemachus: speaking of recommends, I'd completely disable them |
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| 20:26.54 | telemachus | bardzusny: I tend to actually, but hadn't even remembered here. But thanks. |
| 20:26.56 | bardzusny | not long ago I did a fresh install too, and, after all, they're still abused |
| 20:27.11 | telemachus | bardzusny: Do you remember how recent the talk of broken auto-removal was? |
| 20:27.27 | bardzusny | week or two |
| 20:27.31 | telemachus | k |
| 20:27.35 | bardzusny | feels closer to two, but really can't be sure |
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| 20:28.02 | c0n | hi, i'm searching for a pidgin version that is working with squeeze and icq |
| 20:28.05 | bardzusny | someone waltzed in here and said: 'apt is broken' |
| 20:28.11 | telemachus | stew: trying the libtool check now... |
| 20:28.15 | bardzusny | and we were all like: 'oh, really?' :) |
| 20:28.18 | c0n | the stable version is not working wiht it |
| 20:29.14 | nsadmin | c0n, is there an icq client that runs on squeeze |
| 20:29.15 | nsadmin | '? |
| 20:29.15 | telemachus | stew: Ok, it sets libtool as autoinstalled if I make it |
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| 20:29.38 | telemachus | but trying to remove libtool does not remove the hand full of items that were auto-installed with it (gcc and company) |
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| 20:30.02 | tremon | grmbl... hey, apt is broken! |
| 20:30.06 | telemachus | so, honestly, apt does seem a bit broken here :/ |
| 20:30.46 | tremon | feels like doing aptitude markauto ~i |
| 20:30.57 | bardzusny | telemachus: that's exactly the issue |
| 20:31.10 | telemachus | bardzusny: sorry? |
| 20:31.15 | nsadmin | telemachus, did you ever aptitude install build-essential? |
| 20:31.29 | telemachus | nsadmin: No |
| 20:31.29 | bardzusny | 22:29 < telemachus> but trying to remove libtool does not remove the hand full of items that were auto-installed with it (gcc and company) |
| 20:31.35 | bardzusny | that's exactly the problem |
| 20:31.41 | bardzusny | (with apt) :) |
| 20:32.05 | telemachus | bardzusny: right, I agree. That is the problem. I thought you meant something else, sorry. |
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| 20:32.08 | stew | telemachus: it's perhaps #667750 |
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| 20:32.19 | telemachus | stew: cool, checking... |
| 20:34.55 | telemachus | stew: That looks similar (or related). But the weird thing is that for me, for example, libtool does say it's autoinstalled. But it won't go away! |
| 20:35.11 | stew | telemachus: does "aptitude why libtool" say why? |
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| 20:35.37 | stew | telemachus: does "apt-get autormeove" try to remove it? |
| 20:35.52 | telemachus | apt-get autoremove doesn't help |
| 20:36.25 | stew | what about aptitude why? |
| 20:36.31 | telemachus | aptitude why libtool says x suggests y; y depends on z; z suggests q; q suggests libtool |
| 20:36.34 | telemachus | circular dependencies |
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| 20:36.49 | telemachus | gcc is the one that suggests libtool, but gcc is only installed because I installed libtool |
| 20:36.52 | telemachus | so, um, fuck |
| 20:36.57 | telemachus | :) |
| 20:37.13 | tremon | hence my earlier question about keep-suggested :) |
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| 20:37.50 | telemachus | tremon: right, but I can't find a setting where that's enforced |
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| 20:38.37 | s70rm | hi to all |
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| 20:39.46 | tremon | telemachus: I know, and the default should be false. Does the situation change when you add a line Aptitude::Keep-Suggests false; somehwere in apt.conf.d? |
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| 20:40.03 | telemachus | tremon: will try... |
| 20:41.37 | telemachus | tremon: nope |
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| 20:41.54 | telemachus | this is a record: I hosed an install in under two hours. |
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| 20:42.27 | stew | "hosed" is probably a bit over-critical |
| 20:42.32 | tremon | out of curiosity: does aptitude why still give the same reason for keeping libtool? |
| 20:42.49 | telemachus | stew: fair enough, but it makes it a pain to experiment with things |
| 20:43.07 | telemachus | since I then have to awk/vim up aptitude's logs to remove things over and over again |
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| 20:43.40 | telemachus | tremon: nope |
| 20:43.42 | telemachus | same reason |
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| 20:44.01 | tremon | grmbl... hey, apt is broken! |
| 20:44.04 | tremon | :) |
| 20:44.10 | telemachus | feels that way, yeah |
| 20:44.15 | stew | telemachus: can you see if all the things in that cycle are actually marked as automatic? |
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| 20:44.43 | telemachus | stew: everything but reportbug |
| 20:44.46 | telemachus | I'll mark that auto |
| 20:45.00 | stew | reportbug is involved in a libtool dependency chain? |
| 20:45.16 | telemachus | it shows up for "why libtool, yeah" |
| 20:45.23 | telemachus | wrong quotes, sorry |
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| 20:45.28 | DarkKnightCZ | is there "release date" for php5-suhosin package (since it has been removed due to old version after php5.4 release?) |
| 20:46.10 | telemachus | it's this: reportbug -> suggests python-gtk2 -> python-gtk2 suggests python-numpy -> python-numpy suggests gcc -> gcc suggets libtool |
| 20:46.31 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: are you talking about wheezy? or which release? |
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| 20:47.52 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: assuming you are. there is no candidate package yet, since the current one has release critical bugs: http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=php-suhosin |
| 20:47.54 | DarkKnightCZ | stew: yes, wheezy, it is available for sid and squeeze (in squeeze is old php) |
| 20:48.35 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: so a new version will have to be uploaded which fixes those two bugs, then that new package will have to be at least 10 days old |
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| 20:49.22 | stew | oh, and one of them is basically saying that we need a new upstream release |
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| 20:49.27 | stew | This should not go into wheezy under any circumstances, unless there is an upstream |
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| 20:49.31 | stew | version with support for PHP 5.4. |
| 20:50.08 | DarkKnightCZ | yes, thanks for answering |
| 20:50.19 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: so it seems to wait on this: https://github.com/stefanesser/suhosin/issues/14 |
| 20:51.06 | deego | When I apt-get update, why do I see lines like this: Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates/main Translation-en |
| 20:51.06 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.25 | stew | deego: because no such file exists |
| 20:51.36 | stew | deego: Ign means "it wasn't there (but I didn't really need it anyway)" |
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| 20:52.14 | deego | I also see: Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-en . |
| 20:52.23 | deego | stew: you mean to say no security updates exist? |
| 20:52.32 | DarkKnightCZ | no |
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| 20:52.39 | stew | deego: no, i mean the packages file doesn't have a translation from english to english |
| 20:52.47 | DarkKnightCZ | he meant to say you are using wrong sources |
| 20:52.48 | deego | Ah. |
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| 20:52.53 | telemachus | only english can parse english |
| 20:52.58 | telemachus | wait, that's not right... |
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| 20:53.03 | stew | deego: and apt is saying "by the way, I didn't find a translation into english (but that's okay, i can proceed without one)" |
| 20:53.13 | deego | DarkKnightCZ: is this wrong? deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 20:53.19 | DarkKnightCZ | Ign=ignore |
| 20:53.21 | deego | stew: I see. |
| 20:53.41 | nsadmin | deego, that file isn't actually a package and perhaps also not a file containing references to packages (that would be Packages or Packages.gz) |
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| 20:54.01 | DarkKnightCZ | deego: try squeeze-updates main |
| 20:54.25 | morel | Which consolefont do you use/recommend? |
| 20:54.43 | telemachus | morel: It's heresy, but I like Consolas |
| 20:55.00 | jelly-home | morel: console or terminal emulator? |
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| 20:55.13 | morel | jelly-home: console, tty. |
| 20:55.20 | jelly-home | the default VGA one |
| 20:55.21 | deego | DarkKnightCZ: it is /, not - |
| 20:55.30 | telemachus | morel: oh, sorry, then, never mind |
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| 20:55.31 | deego | for security |
| 20:55.31 | morel | jelly-home: which is the default one? |
| 20:55.44 | DarkKnightCZ | deego: exactly, i have wheezy-updates, so try it with - |
| 20:55.46 | jelly-home | morel: the one your VGA card boots into |
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| 20:56.12 | morel | jelly-home: which font is that concrete? |
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| 20:56.40 | jelly-home | it's usually called just "VGA" |
| 20:56.47 | morel | ah, OK. |
| 20:57.25 | nsadmin | DarkKnightCZ, but that's not part of a security line (which wheezy wouldn't have yet) |
| 20:57.35 | stew | DarkKnightCZ note that squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates are two completely different things |
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| 20:57.38 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: and his line is correct |
| 20:58.10 | DarkKnightCZ | nsadmin, stew: i didnt say it wasnt correct, but since it threw Ign, why not to try - :) |
| 20:58.23 | DarkKnightCZ | by the way, anyone knows, how to create this feature? gnome classic (3.4), 4 workspaces (desktops), i want to "add" fifth, but not as desktop, console only (like on user login, there will be fullscreened terminal) |
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| 20:58.27 | morel | jelly-home: lol ^^: the font named "t" is so ugly! bah! |
| 20:58.33 | nsadmin | it could be worth a shot... but so is looking at the url |
| 20:58.37 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: because the Ign line is not an error, it is an expected warning |
| 20:58.46 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: in fact, we don't provide transaltions for anything |
| 20:58.51 | DarkKnightCZ | stew: yes, i know |
| 20:59.22 | stew | DarkKnightCZ: then I don't understand your reasoning for changing his url |
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| 21:00.19 | Lejda | hey guys |
| 21:00.24 | Lejda | kernel panic |
| 21:00.29 | Lejda | not sync |
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| 21:00.38 | Lejda | why i'm getting this error |
| 21:00.46 | nsadmin | stew, he thought it might be worth a try |
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| 21:01.35 | deego | I tried. Got 404 |
| 21:01.51 | nsadmin | DarkKnightCZ, it's possible to check those things by going to the url in your browser |
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| 21:03.25 | nsadmin | DarkKnightCZ, looking at the source line... if the word after the url does not end in / then the archive is a mirror (not the simplified user type) |
| 21:03.50 | DarkKnightCZ | se |
| 21:03.57 | DarkKnightCZ | stew: what nsadmin said :) |
| 21:03.59 | nsadmin | if it is a mirror, then the dir referred to by the url will contain the dir "dists" |
| 21:04.19 | nsadmin | and you can look in there for stuff |
| 21:04.26 | DarkKnightCZ | nsadmin: thanks, didnt know that... about that url thing, im in the middle of work right now and im too lazy to check it :) |
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| 21:05.15 | nsadmin | DarkKnightCZ, no worries :) if you want to know/understand the whole story later, it's in man 5 sources.list |
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| 21:05.42 | DarkKnightCZ | :) |
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| 21:06.50 | stew | and if it does end in / it still might be a mirror... (the word you are looking for there is "automatic") |
| 21:06.54 | nsadmin | among other things, it allows you to see if something is a mirror, and what releases are present |
| 21:07.23 | stew | oh word after the url? |
| 21:07.55 | nsadmin | stew, yeah, that should determine which kind of archive is being addressed |
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| 21:11.10 | nutron | anything specifically holding back linux kernel version 3.4 from the repo? |
| 21:11.31 | stew | nutron: freezing for wheezy |
| 21:11.44 | nutron | already? wtf? =) |
| 21:11.50 | tremon | nutron: 3.2 is a longterm support kernel |
| 21:11.58 | stew | nutron: yes, it was scheduled a long time ago to be frozen this month |
| 21:12.01 | tremon | (as I've been told yesterday) |
| 21:12.22 | nutron | I vaguely remember instabilities being blamed on 3.2, don't ask me what, this was a few weeks back. |
| 21:13.14 | nutron | alrighty. I assume the default desktop is going to be gnome 3.4? |
| 21:13.51 | nutron | I have to plan an upgrade since most of the users I've shown gnome 3 to hate it, maybe it's time for KDE again. |
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| 21:14.05 | stew | judd: info gnome-session wheezy |
| 21:14.05 | Iridos | include link in wheezy factoid for now? |
| 21:14.06 | judd | Package gnome-session (gnome, optional) in wheezy/i386: GNOME Session Manager - GNOME 3 session. Version: 3.4.2-1; Size: 134.2k; Installed: 220k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-session |
| 21:14.11 | nsadmin | nutron, it could also depend on the expected EOL of 3.4 |
| 21:14.40 | stew | nsadmin: meaning what? |
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| 21:15.37 | nsadmin | meaning that if the EOL of wheezy and the EOL of gnome-3.4 is pretty close, it makes more sense for wheezy to ship with it |
| 21:15.49 | stew | nsadmin: wheezy is going to ship with gnome-3.4 |
| 21:16.01 | stew | no matter what the EOL of gnome-3.4 is |
| 21:16.25 | nsadmin | because that's what's there now, and it's about to freeze? |
| 21:17.13 | stew | nsadmin: as opposed to what? people starting right now to plan for another gnome transition? |
| 21:17.39 | nutron | I'm running wheezy on a server, the latest full-upgrade wants to remove mysql server 5.1, known issue? Or am I missing something? |
| 21:17.51 | tremon | known issue |
| 21:18.02 | nutron | bah yeah gnome is a pita these days |
| 21:18.05 | tremon | it's because it's being replaced by 5.5 iirc |
| 21:18.06 | nutron | tremon: thanks |
| 21:18.28 | nsadmin | nutron, I suppose this is a production server... |
| 21:18.44 | tremon | nsadmin: mysql on a production server? |
| 21:18.47 | tremon | ducks |
| 21:18.52 | telemachus | smiles |
| 21:19.02 | nutron | nsadmin: not really, though admittedly there are two services being relied on it due to a transition to a different box |
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| 21:19.21 | nutron | ntp and internal dns |
| 21:19.36 | nsadmin | nutron, maybe you should consider holding off on the dist upgrade |
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| 21:20.06 | nutron | nsadmin: safe-upgrade does the job |
| 21:20.07 | nsadmin | at the very least things are working... |
| 21:20.10 | nsadmin | aren't they? |
| 21:20.33 | nutron | indeed, but I want to test some ldap goodness (if those two words can be used in the same sentence) |
| 21:20.41 | nsadmin | nutron, the question you should consider is "what job?" |
| 21:21.33 | nsadmin | nutron, for testing like that, you should have a second box running very close to what the server is running |
| 21:21.47 | nutron | targeting wheezy for the backend, hence testing the rollout to do so, and I want to have a failover ldap server instead of a backup one. |
| 21:21.51 | tremon | ldap (the concept) isn't that bad, it's just there's many incompatible implementations and no good management tools for linux |
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| 21:23.11 | tremon | not sure if a mysql backend is going to improve openldap (presumably). Any specific reason why you want to try it? |
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| 21:23.17 | nsadmin | nutron, the thing I'm trying to get you to think about, is being less intrusive on a server running in what could be production mode |
| 21:23.38 | pjc_ | tremon: nosql key store would be better |
| 21:23.46 | nutron | nsadmin: I see. |
| 21:24.03 | tremon | that offer wasn't on the table yet :) |
| 21:24.12 | tremon | it's an interesting idea... |
| 21:24.29 | nutron | tremon: nah two different things, the mysql server is/was used to run an internal application... and certainly wasn't ldap related |
| 21:24.33 | nsadmin | it's your box... obviously you can do what you want... I'm just saying, consider the people who are also using your server |
| 21:24.40 | tremon | ah... :) |
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| 21:25.02 | oo_miguel | I can boot into my kernel to some point , and get some : modprobes... and than nothing more happens |
| 21:25.13 | oo_miguel | i can however type on the keyboard |
| 21:25.17 | oo_miguel | or do a ctrl-alt-del |
| 21:25.25 | oo_miguel | does it mean that i got past the initramfs at least? |
| 21:25.29 | tremon | oo_miguel: try booting with init=/bin/bash |
| 21:25.32 | oo_miguel | or not at all? |
| 21:25.36 | oo_miguel | ook |
| 21:25.48 | nutron | nsadmin: aye, I certainly do. Squeeze effed up 2 of my servers (hardware seems too new), and I've had to re-migrate twice over two years. |
| 21:25.57 | craigevil | or kick it a couple of times, thats always worked for me |
| 21:26.18 | Aleminio | guys, got a noobie question about installing linux with windows on the same computer. If I install it on a different partition, will the bootloader let me choose which OS i'd like to load or do I have to install something else? |
| 21:26.20 | tremon | oo_miguel: if you're using standard debian initramfs, try adding break=init too, it will give you a shell just before starting the real system |
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| 21:26.58 | nutron | This is time number 3, and wheezy fits the bill no kernel panics, no gpt partition table woes, no irq nobody cared crap.. acpi works as it should ohh.. and grub actually boots the system =) |
| 21:27.01 | oo_miguel | tremon: I created the initramfs with the intramfs-update |
| 21:27.04 | tremon | Aleminio: the debian installer should detect windows and add it to the bootloader |
| 21:27.13 | nsadmin | Aleminio, the boot loader in most cases will find windows and the debian |
| 21:27.16 | nutron | Oh! And the testing wheezy installer actually finishes installing \o/ |
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| 21:27.26 | Aleminio | Ok guys, pefect. thanks. |
| 21:27.30 | Aleminio | perfect* |
| 21:27.34 | oo_miguel | tremon: update-initramfs of course |
| 21:27.46 | nutron | hence my attempt at migration testing to wheezy. |
| 21:27.53 | nsadmin | Aleminio, stick around if you care to |
| 21:27.55 | tremon | oo_miguel: ok then it should be there. There are multiple break= statements, if it doesn't get to init try an earlier one (I'm sure they're documented somewhere) |
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| 21:28.07 | oo_miguel | tremon: thank you |
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| 21:29.03 | nutron | Anyone know what this thing fedora decided to pay Microsoft for is called? |
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| 21:29.46 | nutron | I've heard rumblings but my nose has been permanently attached to a grindstone. |
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| 21:29.55 | solstis | secure boot ? |
| 21:29.58 | tremon | mutters something about backpay |
| 21:30.19 | tremon | nutron: it's for a secure boot certificate for their bootloader |
| 21:30.24 | abrotman | nutron: this is #debian, perhaps ask #rhel |
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| 21:30.43 | nutron | tremon: thanks, found it. |
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| 21:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: It's the ability to boot on a secure bios that's beeing pushed forward. |
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| 21:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | nutron: Essentially anything that wants to boot needs a secure certificate, and RH is buying one. |
| 21:31.24 | craigevil | they didnt pay ms they paid Verisign |
| 21:31.27 | nutron | abrotman: then this will not affect debian correct? |
| 21:31.30 | tremon | now there's a topic for #ot :) |
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| 21:31.43 | nutron | shuts up |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | nutron: No idea .. but Debian hasn't paid for anything, so it's not on topic to ask about RH paying MS .. take it elsewhere |
| 21:31.59 | engla | jhutchins_lt: either a certificate, or user configuration. the certificate is not mandatory for x86 |
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| 21:32.51 | nutron | I was merely asking what it was called to see if/how this would affect my future plans on running debian. |
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| 21:33.18 | nutron | UEFI sounds so excellent on paper, I've had nothing but issues with our Intel servers. |
| 21:33.58 | nutron | anyway, thanks guiys. |
| 21:33.58 | oo_miguel | the boot process holds right after: Freeing some kernel memory, and a few modprobes.. . adding init=/bin/bash and break=init does not make any difference |
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| 21:34.07 | oo_miguel | I added it to the grub.cfg |
| 21:34.22 | oo_miguel | to the line where my linux image is. |
| 21:34.25 | oo_miguel | right? |
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| 21:34.30 | tremon | yes that's right |
| 21:34.51 | jordanm | direct changes to grub.cfg will be overwritten on the next invocation of update-grub |
| 21:34.53 | tremon | http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 21:35.15 | oo_miguel | jordanm: I know, its just some temporary testong |
| 21:35.19 | abrotman | nutron: CAO4+coYHYAghvJ=DtQXzSyLRX7KkRDWEy6p4ktZtoZR=Nf4mUg@mail.gmail.com .. Good luck |
| 21:35.21 | tremon | hrm... and that page doesn't mention the break= statements |
| 21:35.46 | oo_miguel | I think im missing something essential in my kernal |
| 21:35.47 | oo_miguel | kernel |
| 21:36.13 | jordanm | with something "missing" you would most likely see a kernel panic |
| 21:36.21 | oo_miguel | I started with: make allnoconfig |
| 21:36.34 | tremon | oo_miguel: ah, they're documented in man initramfs-tools, the first one is break=top |
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| 21:36.55 | tremon | oo_miguel: does grub actually load the initramfs (is there an initrd line in grub.cfg) |
| 21:37.02 | oo_miguel | tremon: yes |
| 21:37.03 | abrotman | nutron: if you wanted to know more, i'd guess reply to that thread |
| 21:37.44 | nutron | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:39.05 | abrotman | nutron: that said, it's the debian-user list .. not sure there's an "official" position there |
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| 21:40.38 | craigevil | there's a thread on forums.debian.net about the efi thing |
| 21:40.54 | oo_miguel | maybe I need RAM block device support? |
| 21:41.05 | craigevil | nutron, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=80294 |
| 21:41.23 | oo_miguel | nah sorry |
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| 21:41.47 | nutron | craigevil: thanks |
| 21:42.06 | ShinyObjects | Hey guys - is it ok to ask people to recommend software in here? I know in #ubuntu they consider that "polling" and thus against the rules. |
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| 21:42.12 | ShinyObjects | I wouldn't want to offend. |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | ShinyObjects: Are you actually running Debian? |
| 21:42.48 | abrotman | "polls" are not welcome, asking for software to do a specific task is fine |
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| 21:45.13 | ShinyObjects | abrotman: no, I'm not, but I'm just asking about standard gnome components. I hope this task is specific enough (doing my best): I'm looking for desktop widgets that I can use for things like searching standard C++ API stuff, Ruby docs, etc. |
| 21:46.17 | tremon | I think if you're specifically looking for gnome 3 widgets, the #gnome channel might be a better choice |
| 21:46.23 | abrotman | ShinyObjects: i'm not sure about Desktop widgets, but sometihng like htdig could index html docs, or Anjuta may have docs for that .. But you sohuld really ask the channel for your distro or DE |
| 21:46.34 | abrotman | ShinyObjects: i don't even know if your distro has htdig or anjuta |
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| 21:47.43 | ShinyObjects | abrotman: thanks for the recommendations. I'd ask in my channel but now asking about software there will just seem like I'm trying to push their rules around - I didn't know about the "polling" rule and they were *pretty* mad about that. |
| 21:47.44 | orzo | i have wheezy issues but i'm blocked from #debian-next without invite |
| 21:48.04 | engla | orzo: it's on oftc |
| 21:48.05 | ShinyObjects | Give a guy a warning! I wasn't *trying* to disrespect... |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | ShinyObjects: polling is bad form pretty much anywhere |
| 21:48.09 | abrotman | orzo: you can ask here |
| 21:48.18 | ShinyObjects | Thanks again for the recommendations abrotman. I'll check both those out. |
| 21:48.25 | craigevil | orzo, its on irc.debian.org aka OFTC |
| 21:48.29 | orzo | oh right |
| 21:48.33 | abrotman | orzo: or you can ask here |
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| 21:48.51 | abrotman | no need to run around to different networks when most of the people there are also here |
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| 21:50.24 | orzo | okay, well, i have issues with locale. First it was insisting on "C" until i found a setting in dconf system->locale->region and set that to en_US. Now locale is set but the locale command complains about file not found. The en_US.UTF-8 locale is apparently generated without error. |
| 21:50.54 | orzo | the real problem is that i want vim inside gnome-terminal to display unicode characters in a certain file im editing |
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| 21:51.41 | orzo | i wish the errors that locale generates would give me some clue as to how to follow its advise |
| 21:51.43 | abrotman | orzo: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. make en_US.UTF-8 your default .. logout/login |
| 21:51.52 | orzo | i've done that, abrotman |
| 21:52.10 | abrotman | orzo: do you have a sample file somewhere ? |
| 21:52.18 | orzo | sample file? |
| 21:52.21 | orzo | sample of what |
| 21:52.37 | abrotman | the stuff you can't view .. I'm using gnome-terminal now .. i haven't seen a unicode issue |
| 21:52.42 | abrotman | orzo: also note, it could be a font issue |
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| 21:53.20 | abrotman | orzo: i'm using a basic fixed width font (that's how i like my fonts) .. really no issues |
| 21:53.28 | orzo | https://github.com/colah/ImplicitCAD/blob/master/Graphics/Implicit/ExtOpenScad/Definitions.hs |
| 21:53.32 | orzo | that is the file i am looking at |
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| 21:53.40 | orzo | see it has the special R and N symbols |
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| 21:54.13 | abrotman | orzo: which line? or all of them ? |
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| 21:54.41 | orzo | i just cat it in termianl, taking vim out of the picutre, still see blobs, at line 27 for example |
| 21:54.44 | themill | abrotman: 25 51 |
| 21:54.47 | themill | err 28 |
| 21:55.12 | abrotman | nope, all those lines look fine here |
| 21:55.22 | orzo | oh right, 28 |
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| 21:55.32 | abrotman | orzo: i have a simple vimrc though .. |
| 21:55.49 | orzo | well i took vim out of hte picutre, the symbol should show with the cat command right? |
| 21:56.09 | abrotman | this is why i said it might be a font issue |
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| 21:56.16 | tremon | orzo: I'd start with pasting that line on the command line |
| 21:56.28 | tremon | i.e. directly in the terminal |
| 21:56.41 | flami | so I seem to have run into a problem where the pagecache grew to a size to fill up 1 numa node. thus creating a large amount of numa misses ( it was 0 before ) and trashing performance. So I wonder if there is a way to limit the caches size. |
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| 21:56.57 | orzo | termon, copied from firefox, pasting shows the letter R |
| 21:57.37 | orzo | R |
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| 21:57.57 | tharkun | Gentlemen i keep getting this "(firefox-bin:7169): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead" Can someone point me in the right direction |
| 21:58.09 | flami | the problem was fixed with a sync and sysctl -w vm.drop_caches=3 fixed the issue. but Ill probably run into it again |
| 21:58.11 | abrotman | take the other path .. there is trouble ahead |
| 21:58.23 | abrotman | orzo: if you open the file in something like gedit .. do you still see it ? |
| 21:58.43 | tremon | orzo: so the literal R instead of mathematic set R? that smells like a font issue indeed |
| 21:58.48 | orzo | gedit shows the symbol correctly |
| 21:58.59 | orzo | it is not a regular R, which is what i see if i paste |
| 21:59.03 | pjc_ | sorry tharkun, iceweasel here |
| 21:59.11 | abrotman | orzo: now go to preferences and change the font to match the gnome-terminal font |
| 22:00.15 | orzo | gnome terminal is set to "use system fixed width font" |
| 22:00.25 | orzo | i dont know whewre that setting is and which font |
| 22:00.38 | abrotman | Mine is Courier 10 Pitch, size 14 |
| 22:00.49 | abrotman | in this tab anyway |
| 22:01.30 | orzo | well, locale is complaining |
| 22:01.34 | orzo | that wouldnt be a font issue |
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| 22:01.45 | orzo | shouldn't i solve that first |
| 22:01.45 | abrotman | locale complains about the weather .. |
| 22:02.07 | tremon | orzo: set|grep 'L[CA]' |
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| 22:03.42 | orzo | http://paste.debian.net/173043/ |
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| 22:05.18 | tremon | looks fine (apart from gdm_lang nonstandard notation), but try to unset LANGUAGE because it doesn't set the charset |
| 22:06.43 | orzo | unset language and then what? |
| 22:06.53 | orzo | change takes effect immediatley in that terminal and shell? |
| 22:06.59 | tremon | urd |
| 22:07.01 | tremon | hrm |
| 22:07.03 | tremon | yes |
| 22:07.25 | abrotman | wonders which layout causes that off-by-one error |
| 22:07.29 | tremon | shifts his keyboard back |
| 22:07.47 | abrotman | oh, a normal one :) |
| 22:07.52 | orzo | nothing happened |
| 22:08.08 | tremon | no complaints either? |
| 22:08.29 | tremon | and still no fancy R? |
| 22:08.38 | orzo | oh for paste? let me see |
| 22:08.52 | orzo | pasting is same |
| 22:08.58 | tremon | doesn't really expect a change, just covering all the bases |
| 22:09.08 | orzo | i'm not sure if its changed to 'R' at coppy or paste time btw |
| 22:09.09 | themill | that looks nothing like the sort of locales settings debian uses |
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| 22:09.34 | tremon | don't know, I don't use gnome3 (which this presumably is) |
| 22:09.52 | orzo | pasting into gedit shows the fancy R |
| 22:09.57 | orzo | so i guess it is at paste time |
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| 22:10.06 | orzo | yes this is nome3 |
| 22:10.11 | orzo | g |
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| 22:10.54 | orzo | is it just me or is this locale stuff not mind-numbingly more complicated than it ought to be |
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| 22:11.22 | tremon | can you try a different terminal? I know roxterm and xfce-terminal work fine for me (just tested) |
| 22:11.28 | abrotman | orzo: i've had very few locale problems over the years |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | tremon: but gnome-terminal works fine for me here |
| 22:11.48 | tremon | ah yes, I remembered |
| 22:11.48 | abrotman | and i'm using wheezy on this box as well |
| 22:11.55 | nerdcore | I have just been asked to begin moving a web project to a new server, and the noob who set up the server installed wheezy... I would feel better running squeeze. Is there any way I can "downgrade", or is it preferable to reinstall from scratch? |
| 22:11.57 | tremon | nope, then I'm out of options |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | fonts! |
| 22:12.10 | abrotman | nerdcore: reinstall |
| 22:12.15 | themill | orzo: I don't think whatever you force dconf to do was the right thing, based on that output |
| 22:12.29 | orzo | i can revert my dconf change |
| 22:12.33 | orzo | if you like |
| 22:12.36 | nerdcore | abrotman: nice quick answer. I like it :) |
| 22:12.45 | tremon | we still hadn't ruled out a font issue? hmm guess not |
| 22:12.48 | abrotman | nerdcore: and shoot the noob |
| 22:12.50 | nerdcore | I mean, it sucks, but thanks for your input ;) |
| 22:12.59 | orzo | then i believe we will be stuck seeing LANG="C" and what not even though I used dpkg-reocnfigure to set the default locale to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:13.06 | nsadmin | nerdcore, install squeeze on the new box and then move things across |
| 22:13.29 | nerdcore | If I had access to the noob, well, then I would probably have access to the box and I would have done it myself ;) |
| 22:13.38 | abrotman | nerdcore: ah okay, well, good luck |
| 22:13.40 | orzo | i set dconf system/locale/region = "en_US" |
| 22:13.42 | orzo | it was "" |
| 22:13.57 | abrotman | nerdcore: /msg dpkg debootstrap .. may be of some help with a remote box |
| 22:14.00 | orzo | abrotman, what is your dconf system/locale/region value? |
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| 22:14.37 | abrotman | orzo: blank |
| 22:14.42 | abrotman | null |
| 22:14.44 | abrotman | empty |
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| 22:14.50 | orzo | i see, that's what mine was |
| 22:14.55 | nerdcore | abrotman: well versed in debootstrap. fantastic tool. I'll see what I can do with some human prodding first though |
| 22:14.59 | abrotman | that's what mine is! |
| 22:15.07 | abrotman | nerdcore: good luck |
| 22:15.10 | nerdcore | abrotman, nsadmin: thx |
| 22:15.11 | Iridos | dpkg, tell nerdcore about downgrade |
| 22:15.14 | orzo | i suppose i will change it back. But does the output of "locale" show utf8 for you in gnome-terminal, abrotman? |
| 22:15.21 | Iridos | for the slightly-longer answer |
| 22:15.39 | Iridos | but "no" summarized it well |
| 22:15.41 | abrotman | but we covered he should reinstall .. |
| 22:16.04 | nsadmin | nerdcore, if you mean downgrade the os by hand, good luck... much quicker to install squeeze on the dest machine and go from there |
| 22:16.09 | Iridos | but not why it's not supported |
| 22:16.13 | abrotman | who cares .. |
| 22:16.14 | themill | orzo: what do you have in "/etc/default/locale"? And can you pastebin the output of "locale -a" and "locale" |
| 22:16.18 | nerdcore | Iridos: perfect. I will pass this back up the chain (I wish I had access to the noob / box) |
| 22:16.22 | abrotman | it's a brand new box with wheezy .. it has no data .. |
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| 22:16.39 | abrotman | orzo: http://paste.debian.net/173044 |
| 22:16.53 | orzo | themill: /etc/default/locale has a comment and then the line: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | is still blaming fonts :) |
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| 22:17.35 | nerdcore | It seems the miscommunication was "We would prefer Debian 6 to CentOS" => wheezy |
| 22:17.36 | Iridos | abrotman, can't be. He pasted the R here and it was a normal one |
| 22:17.50 | abrotman | nerdcore: they can't count? |
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| 22:17.55 | abrotman | Iridos: where? i missed it ? |
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| 22:18.35 | nerdcore | abrotman: they are CentOS people... poor fools... |
| 22:18.37 | Iridos | <orzo> R |
| 22:18.38 | tremon | testing... ℝ |
| 22:18.40 | Iridos | there :) |
| 22:18.44 | orzo | themill: waiting for pastebinit, but uncaptured error output: "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" |
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| 22:18.59 | orzo | http://paste.debian.net/173045/ |
| 22:19.04 | abrotman | nerdcore: doesn't sound fun to me |
| 22:19.18 | abrotman | Iridos: looks normal .. but is it ? |
| 22:19.27 | themill | orzo: that's because your gnome session is running with settings that don't make sense. The value you shoved into dconf is invalid |
| 22:19.27 | Iridos | YES |
| 22:19.30 | abrotman | tremon: yours is some art deco R .. but it's there |
| 22:19.37 | Iridos | <orzo> R vs ℝ ? |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | Iridos: i meant the byte code |
| 22:19.50 | orzo | themill: i removed the value, im going ot restart gnome now |
| 22:20.00 | abrotman | or the whole system ? |
| 22:20.09 | Iridos | it'S clearly not an ℝ |
| 22:20.14 | abrotman | that's an R! |
| 22:20.36 | orzo | aha |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | it's really an H ? |
| 22:20.58 | orzo | i've resumed my screen session with this chat in it and now I see your fancy Rs |
| 22:21.04 | Iridos | orzo, what terminal are you using? |
| 22:21.08 | Iridos | oh, ok |
| 22:21.09 | orzo | gnome-terminal |
| 22:21.15 | orzo | let me open another session |
| 22:21.24 | orzo | and see if i can view the file and what not |
| 22:21.43 | themill | Я! |
| 22:21.52 | abrotman | Argh! |
| 22:21.53 | Iridos | aww |
| 22:21.56 | Iridos | you'Re so backwards |
| 22:22.03 | Iridos | sorry, I mean |
| 22:22.16 | Iridos | you'ℝe so backwards |
| 22:22.23 | orzo | the cat command now shows fancy Rs |
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| 22:22.39 | orzo | and so does vim |
| 22:22.41 | tremon | tips his hat to themill |
| 22:22.42 | orzo | weird |
| 22:22.56 | abrotman | still doesn't see fancy Rs |
| 22:23.03 | themill | !pal abrotman |
| 22:23.04 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs hysterically |
| 22:23.13 | orzo | i tried all kinds of stuff to fix the issue before and it didnt work and then i change dconf to an invalid value and now restored it to empty and now everything works? |
| 22:23.40 | abrotman | fonts! fonts i tell you! |
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| 22:24.16 | Iridos | but your answer should solve HIS problem, not YOUR problem |
| 22:24.58 | tremon | goes to find a place to sleep |
| 22:25.12 | Iridos | must have a bridge really close by |
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| 22:26.34 | stew | abrotman: ☂🎩 |
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| 22:26.48 | abrotman | stew: Traveler's ? |
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| 22:29.21 | GabrieleV | is away: Away |
| 22:29.49 | abrotman | !tell GabrieleV about away |
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| 22:36.48 | tharkun | abrotman: Do you think this url could be added to the u factoid? http://i.imgur.com/HL1ZR.jpg |
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| 22:38.25 | abrotman | tharkun: we'll have themill review it :) |
| 22:39.06 | tharkun | abrotman: Is themill the holder of the Queen's English ? |
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| 22:40.16 | superstraw | tharkun: ty i'm going to post that on the wall in my office. |
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| 22:45.33 | superstraw | aw damn, found a grammatical error in that poster |
| 22:45.37 | superstraw | or whatever it was. |
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| 23:01.52 | nsadmin | nerdcore, if you mean downgrade the os by hand, good luck... much quicker to install squeeze on the dest machine and go from there |
| 23:02.11 | nsadmin | argh, wrong timeframe for that |
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| 23:11.45 | koko_ | hello |
| 23:12.34 | koko_ | i have hp dv7 pavillon and i install debian squeeze. how can i install ati radeon drive for amd |
| 23:12.47 | koko_ | and how can i use my touchpad normally |
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| 23:14.27 | Nik05 | koko_ check fglrx |
| 23:14.28 | civillian | koko_: touch it... |
| 23:15.14 | Nik05 | first istall linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 23:16.16 | koko_ | civillian: i touch but nothing , may be there some drive somewhere |
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| 23:21.15 | mooglenorph | Hi, I've googled some and can't really find good information about running squeeze with backports kernel on a macbook air. |
| 23:21.27 | mooglenorph | There are some decent guides for older models, but not for the current ones. |
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| 23:22.12 | mooglenorph | Can someone point me to information on this? |
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| 23:30.33 | warddr | hello, I am adding ipv6 to a server of mine, I have an entire /112 for my server, but I need to add the adresses I need to /etc/network/interfaces myself. Everything works fine, but now I add 1 addres using just the address field, and use 'up ip -6....' to add more. My question now is, is there a way to select which one is used for outbound traffic? Since now one is being selected at random every time. |
| 23:31.24 | Ezim | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 23:31.29 | Dagger2 | heh, "an entire /112"... as if that was a lot of IPv6 space |
| 23:31.41 | Ezim | is this the place to get livecd of wheezy? |
| 23:32.21 | warddr | Dagger2, enough to give all services I host a separate address.. And I know, I've got a /48 @home... |
| 23:33.28 | Dagger2 | warddr: you can affect the outgoing address selection algorithm with the valid_lft and preferred_lft options to `ip addr add`, but you'll have to google to find out exactly how (I've never actually used them) |
| 23:34.05 | nsadmin | Ezim, sortof, people can tell you where the images are |
| 23:35.07 | Dagger2 | I guess /112 is ok for an uplink interface, where there's only two computers on the link... but why not just use a /64? strange provider |
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| 23:35.18 | mmnicolas | what's currently the most useable DE in wheezy ? |
| 23:35.57 | kevlarman | mmnicolas: that depends entirely on your definition of usable |
| 23:36.08 | nsadmin | Ezim, http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 23:36.37 | DotHack | DE? |
| 23:36.46 | jagginess | desktop environment |
| 23:36.49 | mmnicolas | kevlarman: how about, not less usable than Gnome 2.30.2 ? |
| 23:37.09 | DotHack | ah |
| 23:37.33 | kevlarman | mmnicolas: if you like gnome2 xfce is probably the closest |
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| 23:37.43 | DotHack | mmnicolas: i think there is a strong matter of taste |
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| 23:38.03 | warddr | Dagger2, I have to configure the ip's on my vps as /64, so I guess the server has a /64, and they give a /112 to every custommer (and I think I'm able to use some from another range as well if I like :D) |
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| 23:38.19 | kevlarman | mmnicolas: or if you feel like dealing with a young fork that isn't packaged by debian yet, mate |
| 23:38.56 | Ezim | nsadmin, could only find stable... |
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| 23:39.49 | nsadmin | Ezim, oh, what did you want? |
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| 23:40.19 | Dagger2 | warddr: I'm glad I don't have *that* provider. they should, at a very minimum, have enough space to do a /60 per customer (unless they have more than 4000 customers... which if they do they should probably get a bigger allocation than /48 themselves) |
| 23:40.25 | Ezim | nsadmin, I thought maybe livecd edition of different DE come with stable/testing/unstable |
| 23:41.02 | warddr | Dagger2, a lot of vps providers use /112 |
| 23:41.35 | nsadmin | probably you would want to google for exactly what you want next, like debian live cd wheezy kde |
| 23:42.01 | Dagger2 | warddr: I don't get it, why ;_; it's like they think they need to count individual addresses still |
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| 23:43.37 | warddr | Dagger2, but let's be honest, who ever needs more than 65536 individual ipv6 adresses on a single vps |
| 23:44.30 | divbell | a /60 is what, 295 quintillion IPv6 addresses? |
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| 23:45.26 | Dagger2 | warddr: it's IPv6! you don't bother counting how many individual IP addresses you have |
| 23:45.35 | warddr | I think if everything is configured, and I give every subdomain I have in use it's own address, ssh a separate adress, my mailserver it's own adress, ... I think I'll use 40 of them, and my ifconfig will look ugly (very long) |
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| 23:46.40 | Dagger2 | warddr: the problem with that /112 is... what happens if you want to set up a VPN on the VPS? you need a spare /64 to route down the VPN, which you don't have... but you ought to be able to get, since the provider definitely has a /64 spare |
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| 23:47.33 | Dagger2 | divbell: it's 2^16 subnets... as I say, no point in considering the number of addresses, because a network would fall down from other factors before you could fill a /64 |
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| 23:47.59 | warddr | Dagger2, by the way, I solved the problem by adding "preferred_lft 0" behind every "up ip -6 addr..." line, thanks |
| 23:48.16 | gnarface | my network falls down from other factors (unscheduled maintenance megapath!? from 3am to 8am?! W T F?) |
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| 23:50.42 | warddr | Dagger2, I just took a look at whois, and my provider has a /32, he definitely has some spare adresses... |
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| 23:53.13 | QuantumNinja | can anyone help me getting proftpd configured? |
| 23:57.50 | nsadmin | what's wrong with the default configuration |
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