| 00:00.07 | gnarface | whats wrong with a better server? |
| 00:00.18 | gnarface | (like openssh) |
| 00:02.00 | peterS | world ipv6 launch day is here. I am amused that Facebook's IP address contains 'face:b00c'. |
| 00:02.47 | gnarface | hah |
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| 00:02.54 | gnarface | ipv6 is a fad |
| 00:03.00 | dvs | heh |
| 00:03.34 | nsadmin | didn't they misspell it as face:b00b? |
| 00:03.50 | peterS | I think that's a different site, nsadmin |
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| 00:04.16 | nsadmin | are you implying a motorboating site?! |
| 00:04.52 | peterS | actually I don't know what kind of site faceb00c is. I don't use it. |
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| 00:05.53 | peterS | anyway, yay, my ISP can snoop on even less of my traffic now that my browser will use the v5 tunnel for a lot more websites |
| 00:06.05 | peterS | (well, they _could_ snoop protocol 41, but would they bother) |
| 00:06.14 | peterS | v6 tunnel, even |
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| 00:07.32 | wonderworld | ipv6 will enslave us all. |
| 00:08.36 | Volkswagner | greetings |
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| 00:10.40 | warddr | google, gmail, .... now also have ipv6 enabled, and it works, |
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| 00:13.03 | gnarface | too bad ipv6 doesn't work anywhere else |
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| 00:14.27 | gnarface | by the time everyone supports ipv6 they'll already be finishing up on ipv7 |
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| 00:17.05 | wapiflapi | hi, just a quick question, I was wondering if it would be interesting to have netinstals using bitorent ? (I am waiting while it installs so I am thinking about stuff =) ) |
| 00:17.27 | peterS | wapiflapi: you can download the initial CD image over bittorrent, certainly |
| 00:17.44 | wapiflapi | yeah, but I mean all the instalation afterwards ;) |
| 00:17.52 | peterS | wapiflapi: as for actually downloading individual packages that way ... some people have worked on this but I have not heard that the effort really went anywhere |
| 00:18.17 | peterS | wapiflapi: anyway if you really want it all, download a DVD image over BT instead of a netinst CD.... |
| 00:18.25 | warddr | gnarface, there is no need for v6, I think there are enough ipv6 addresses to give every grain of sand it's own ip address |
| 00:18.34 | warddr | *for v7 |
| 00:18.55 | wapiflapi | yeah I know, I made a mistake, but its almost finished downloading so no problem =) I was just ondering if that solution had been considered |
| 00:19.06 | peterS | warddr: that's if number of addressable nodes is the only criterion for choosing a protocol |
| 00:19.17 | gnarface | warddr: yea but there isn't quite enough ipv6 addresses to give every planet in the galaxy even *one* .... never say "never" |
| 00:19.28 | peterS | wapiflapi: it certainly has been considered and even designed, I just don't think it ever got to the stage where anyone's actually using it |
| 00:19.41 | peterS | wapiflapi: and as I'm sure you know, if nobody uses BT, it isn't very useful (: |
| 00:19.45 | stew | judd: info apt-transport-debtorrent |
| 00:19.46 | judd | Package apt-transport-debtorrent (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: an APT transport for communicating with DebTorrent. Version: 0.2.2; Size: 26.4k; Installed: 124k; Homepage: http://debtorrent.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:19.58 | stew | yeah, i've never heard of anyone actually using it |
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| 00:20.12 | gnarface | neat, stew, there actually is one!! |
| 00:20.16 | gnarface | will have to remember that |
| 00:20.33 | warddr | peterS in that case there are a lot of changes to the internet, imaging a TTL for packages of a couple thousand years and things like that :D |
| 00:21.15 | peterS | warddr: I'm just saying, "we will never need ipv7 because ipv6 has 128-bit addresses" is simplistic at best. there could be lots of future reasons for ipv6 to not be a perfect fit |
| 00:22.19 | warddr | If we still have tcp/ip at that time |
| 00:22.52 | wapiflapi | thanks for the info on BT =) good to know |
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| 00:23.24 | Dagger2 | peterS: if we're limiting ourselves to a single planet, IPv6 is definitely big enough |
| 00:23.45 | peterS | I downloaded a pair of kfreebsd netinst CDs (32 and 64 bit) the other day, it actually took awhile over bt, because not many people are actually seeding those |
| 00:24.08 | Dagger2 | if you scale up to the entire galaxy... things get a bit tighter, but the latencies involved start to get a bit silly anyway |
| 00:24.22 | peterS | Dagger2: in the absence of faster-than-light communications, it's hard to imagine anything that resembles TCP/IP being useful very far away from a single planet |
| 00:24.51 | gnarface | yea but quantum-entangled serial communication has already seen real-life proof-of-concept. |
| 00:24.53 | isoman2kx | I can't see my shared linux drive on my network anymore |
| 00:24.55 | peterS | Dagger2: maybe we'll use the AX.25 ham radio protocol to communicate with Mars |
| 00:24.56 | isoman2kx | what happened? |
| 00:25.01 | isoman2kx | it's mounted on Debian server |
| 00:25.12 | peterS | (I know, I know, AX.25 is layer 1, it sits _under_ IP, not instead of it) |
| 00:25.19 | gnarface | isoman2kx: remote end went down... just guessing) |
| 00:25.26 | isoman2kx | ya, I rebooted it |
| 00:25.28 | warddr | Isn't there a possibility to pull fiber trough a Wormhole? |
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| 00:25.30 | kevlarman | gnarface: that's not ftl |
| 00:25.33 | isoman2kx | it's up now again |
| 00:25.35 | Dagger2 | peterS: yes, exactly (although to be fair TCP is a layer above IP, and latency has no impact on IP because it's stateless) |
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| 00:26.09 | peterS | warddr: single mode or multimode fiber? |
| 00:26.21 | gnarface | kevlarman: you're right but it does eliminate latency as a function of distance, which makes the fact of whether its ftl or not immaterial |
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| 00:26.59 | warddr | multimode |
| 00:27.00 | gnarface | kevlarman: who cares if its only the speed of electrons when the latency from your desk to the floor is the exact same as the latency from your desk to alpha centurai |
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| 00:27.11 | Dagger2 | peterS: it's just that it would take ~100000 years to get a ping response back from the other side of the galaxy, and that's if we had civilization on that side in the first place... and it would take us half a million years to get ourselves there even at 0.1c, which is pretty fast for matter |
| 00:27.11 | Volkswagner | I'm getting messages at the console after following this how to for iaxmodem/hylafax http://highsecurity.blogspot.com/2011/01/asterisk-freepbx-iaxmodem-hylafax.html |
| 00:27.17 | kevlarman | gnarface: it's not though |
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| 00:27.50 | gnarface | kevlarman: feel free to extrapolate in #debian-offtopic, but i think you're in error |
| 00:28.29 | Dagger2 | gnarface: you can't use quantum entanglement for useful communication though. you can only use it to send uncontrollable, random noise |
| 00:29.06 | Volkswagner | I'm running Deb6, is the issue due to the inittab entry? |
| 00:29.07 | peterS | which is great for IRC |
| 00:29.35 | Volkswagner | Is this abnormal to see messages at the console? I have never seen such behavior. |
| 00:30.21 | gnarface | Dagger2: a year or so ago China claimed to have successfully used it to send morse code |
| 00:31.00 | isoman2kx | gnarface: (or anyone) how can I check to see why my drive isn't shared on the Debian side? |
| 00:31.02 | isoman2kx | it's mounted |
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| 00:31.06 | warddr | gnarface, I can also claim to have a nuke in my back garden, that doesn't make it true :D |
| 00:31.20 | peterS | yeah, china claims that too, don't they |
| 00:31.44 | Volkswagner | here is the message I get approx every 65sec |
| 00:31.45 | Volkswagner | Ignoring unknown information element 'Unknown IE' (54) of length 0 [2012-06-05 15:59:12] Registration completed successfully. |
| 00:31.50 | Dagger2 | gnarface: they must have had a conventional side-channel too to send actual information. you can't use quantum entanglement to circumvent the speed of light on communications |
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| 00:32.08 | gnarface | isoman2kx: you mean *mounted* on the debian side? you said you rebooted the server that was sharing it. of course that will kill the mount. did you expect it not to? |
| 00:32.27 | isoman2kx | gnarface: no, but how do I get it again? I mounted it and it's not showing up |
| 00:33.27 | nfbvieira | is there a way to revert a package from the backport version back to the stable version? |
| 00:34.13 | gnarface | Dagger2: maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. i'm not a physicist but that point is in dispute |
| 00:34.26 | warddr | Anyway I'm leaving, hoping that my IT examn later today will have some filosofical questions about ipv6 |
| 00:34.27 | gnarface | Dagger2: aka... don't be so sure... |
| 00:34.40 | stew | nfbvieira: sure "apt-get install package=version" but there are far fewer guarantees than normal that things will work, as downgrades are not generally supported |
| 00:34.42 | isoman2kx | eh? |
| 00:34.47 | gnarface | isoman2kx: you mounted it again? somewhere else? |
| 00:35.05 | isoman2kx | on the server side, it's mounted again. it's not being shared across the home network though |
| 00:35.09 | nfbvieira | thanks stew, i'll try that |
| 00:35.21 | gnarface | isoman2kx: any relevant errors? |
| 00:35.29 | stew | nfbvieira: the package confiugration scripts generally only take upgrading into account |
| 00:36.03 | gnarface | isoman2kx: what protocol is it even you're using for this share? |
| 00:37.11 | isoman2kx | samba, I believe |
| 00:37.41 | Volkswagner | I guess the broader and more direct question I should ask: Is it normal to see system messages at the console? Is there a setting for verbosity? |
| 00:37.47 | gnarface | isoman2kx: you don't even know!? i shudder to imagine how that's possible. |
| 00:38.06 | Volkswagner | I guess I have never spent much time in front of the console... only ssh into it. |
| 00:38.24 | isoman2kx | gnarface: relax, this is my first time and a friend set this up for me. |
| 00:38.26 | gnarface | isoman2kx: does the output of 'mount' (without options) say its still mounted, or not? |
| 00:38.28 | isoman2kx | geez lol |
| 00:38.34 | isoman2kx | yeah it's s till mounted |
| 00:38.36 | isoman2kx | when I try |
| 00:38.48 | stew | Volkswagner: it's really dependent on your syslog setup, which would typically be defined in /etc/rsyslog* |
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| 00:39.18 | gnarface | isoman2kx: so unmount it (with -f if necessary) before you try to mount it again. also make sure the remote end is actually up when you do so, and also don't EVER reboot the shared server while stuff is still mounting shares |
| 00:39.19 | stew | Volkswagner: typically "emerg" level messages go to the console |
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| 00:40.40 | Volkswagner | stew thanks, I was fairly certain the messages were part of Asterisk... I shutdown amportal (via ssh) and saw that message on screen, which brought me to broader question |
| 00:40.49 | Volkswagner | I'll check out rsyslog |
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| 00:42.00 | isoman2kx | gnarface: yeah, but it should automatically reconnect the shares on reboot, no? |
| 00:42.14 | gnarface | isoman2kx: where the fuck did you get that impression? |
| 00:42.22 | gnarface | isoman2kx: its not a vpn |
| 00:42.32 | isoman2kx | lmao |
| 00:42.38 | isoman2kx | I dunno, just thought it would |
| 00:42.41 | isoman2kx | seems dumb not to |
| 00:44.14 | gnarface | isoman2kx: seems dumb to use samba in the first place, IMO, but just do what i said and tell me if it works |
| 00:44.50 | gnarface | isoman2kx: there may be non-standard mount options that can make it more resilient to interruption but i really don't know. i'd recommend reading the man page |
| 00:45.36 | isoman2kx | yeah, lol. I'm new. I'll accept it and do my reading. |
| 00:45.50 | isoman2kx | or just wait until my friend gets back. was hoping in the meantime to get a quick fix |
| 00:46.47 | gnarface | isoman2kx: well force unmounting the dead mount and re-mounting *should* be the quick fix you're looking for ... you should really try it |
| 00:47.09 | elik | I've been getting a lot of errors when I aptitude update recently (http://paste.debian.net/173069/). Is there something going on with the repos? |
| 00:47.15 | isoman2kx | gnarface: k let me try |
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| 00:47.50 | Volkswagner | stew, I don't see anything being sent to /dev/tty1 only /dev/xconsole according to rsyslog.conf and only postfix is located in rsyslog.d |
| 00:50.02 | craigevil | elik, remove the security repo, and try a different mirror for the other |
| 00:50.40 | blackshirt | Is there official guide to setup selinux on debian? |
| 00:51.17 | allorder | blackshirt: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
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| 00:51.42 | kruz | Hey guys (: I'm trying to see if there's a way to show 2 commands side by side. eg. df -h and df -i If I have 80 columns, I'd like to split it to 40 and 40 |
| 00:52.08 | blackshirt | Thanks allorder |
| 00:52.24 | elik | craigevil: remove the security repo? |
| 00:52.56 | elik | craigevil: I changed the repo too, from iweb.ca to ftp.ca.debian.org, but this one seems to point to three others |
| 00:53.18 | craigevil | yes, testing gets security updates by way of new packages |
| 00:53.37 | craigevil | try installing and using netselect-apt to pick the fastest mirror |
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| 00:54.45 | elik | craigevil: last time I tried it was iweb.ca, but will give it a try again |
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| 00:54.55 | Ox41 | alright, someone here has to know. how can I tell if my repos are set wrong? |
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| 00:55.12 | Ox41 | because like, nothing works right now... I can't install red5 ... totally just broken |
| 00:55.14 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:55.24 | dvs | ,v red5 |
| 00:55.25 | judd | No package named 'red5' was found in i386. |
| 00:55.39 | craigevil | Ox41, pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:55.41 | Ox41 | ,v red5-server |
| 00:55.42 | judd | Package: red5-server on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.1-4squeeze1; wheezy: 1.0~svn4279-1; sid: 1.0~svn4374-1 |
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| 00:56.08 | craigevil | elik, doesnt hurt to have two mirrors uncommented |
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| 00:56.33 | Ox41 | http://pastebin.com/eC7aH1xM |
| 00:56.39 | dvs | 0x41 You'd have to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list for us to have a chance to point out the problem |
| 00:56.45 | Ox41 | ^^^^ |
| 00:56.47 | Ox41 | :) |
| 00:57.20 | craigevil | looks just fine , might want to add contrib non-free to each line |
| 00:57.36 | elik | craigevil: as far as debian security goes, I think those were added by the installer back when I installed squeeze. Did this change recently? |
| 00:57.57 | Ox41 | craigevil: does it matter what version debian I am running? |
| 00:58.11 | craigevil | elik, squeeze gets updates from security testing doesnt |
| 00:58.50 | craigevil | !sources.list |
| 00:58.50 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 01:00.06 | Ox41 | hmmmm |
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| 01:01.09 | Ox41 | Alright, there has to be SOMETHING here that I'm missing: http://pastebin.com/tJ6X258m |
| 01:02.39 | dvs | Ox41: Looks like there's something wrong with the package. |
| 01:03.35 | elik | !testing security |
| 01:03.36 | dpkg | Wheezy is unlikely to receive full security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in testing. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask me about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
| 01:03.46 | craigevil | Ox41, aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade, and yes it looks like that package has issues |
| 01:04.16 | craigevil | elik, the repo exists but afaik has never been used |
| 01:04.21 | Ox41 | is it the package, or that I'm using the wrong repos? |
| 01:04.25 | Ox41 | thats what my thought was |
| 01:04.29 | craigevil | your repos are fine |
| 01:04.53 | elik | craigevil: ^ I understand that security fixes in testing migrate from unstable using the normal process, while stable's security updates get fasttracked through security repos |
| 01:05.04 | craigevil | right |
| 01:05.16 | elik | craigevil: it's just weird, cause I've had that line in there since squeeze was testing, and it never caused problems |
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| 01:05.31 | Ox41 | this solution scares the crap out of me: |
| 01:05.32 | Ox41 | http://pastebin.com/iZBEvn1x |
| 01:05.34 | craigevil | it shouldnt cause any porblems |
| 01:05.47 | elik | k, I'll try other repos and see it that helps |
| 01:05.50 | Ox41 | upgrade mysql-server...? every time I update things, crap breaks. I'm just that lucky. |
| 01:05.55 | elik | thx craigevil |
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| 01:06.40 | craigevil | Ox41, nothing major wanting to be removed, keep track of the few packages that are being removed and go for it |
| 01:07.06 | Ox41 | but it wants to upgrade alot of important ones... |
| 01:07.15 | Ox41 | I have a feeling this will break, really really really hard. |
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| 01:08.23 | Cogito | Hi everyone. When I try to $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg nothing at all appears to happen. Any idea where I can look to see if something is wrong? |
| 01:08.39 | gnarface | isoman2kx: any luck? |
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| 01:09.12 | craigevil | Cogito, what are you trying to do? |
| 01:09.38 | abrotman | Cogito: if you're trying to generate an xorg.conf .. doesn't do that anymore |
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| 01:10.01 | convolution | hi |
| 01:10.12 | Cogito | craigevil: I have an optimuse system running intel HD 3000 and nvidia something graphics cards. I want to use the propietary nvidia drivers, and it seems an xorg.conf is what I need for that |
| 01:10.17 | convolution | somebody of you can help me installing driver of my wlan adapter? |
| 01:10.17 | convolution | http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 01:10.25 | convolution | it is a dwa-140 dlink revision b2 |
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| 01:10.42 | Cogito | if there is another way I am happy to try it! |
| 01:11.31 | craigevil | Cogito, i would use the bumblebee repo |
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| 01:11.44 | Cogito | craigevil: I have bumblebee installed |
| 01:11.56 | Ox41 | Wish me luck all, im going for it |
| 01:12.02 | aubreyr | i never understood that |
| 01:12.02 | Cogito | the nouvaeu driver is loaded though |
| 01:12.04 | Ox41 | *closes eyes* [y] |
| 01:12.07 | aubreyr | whoops sorry wrong channnel |
| 01:12.30 | Cogito | so I need to disable it/enable nvidia driver |
| 01:12.30 | Cogito | I think |
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| 01:13.11 | craigevil | Cogito, http://suwako.nomanga.net/ |
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| 01:13.53 | unknown-01903254 | hi, is there a simple way to know if my pc is 32bit or 64 bit ? i did cat /proc/cpuinfo but i dont know what i have to look for. It's not a very new pc but i have the doub.. |
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| 01:14.10 | Cogito | craigevil: thanks, I installed from source so I will try uninstalling and using the repo |
| 01:14.53 | craigevil | Cogito, no clue if it works, but the steps are clearly outlined |
| 01:15.33 | Cogito | craigevil: thanks, I think I will try that, as if it doesn't work then at least I am coming from a known position |
| 01:15.33 | Ox41 | *pfeeewww* good sign, site still loads |
| 01:15.38 | Cogito | well, mostly known :) |
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| 01:16.18 | jagginess | !bpo |
| 01:16.18 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 01:16.20 | Dagger2 | unknown-01903254: lscpu seems to say, in the first two lines |
| 01:16.20 | jagginess | convolution, ^ |
| 01:16.33 | convolution | ehy |
| 01:16.33 | jagginess | convolution, add backports, then do apt-get update, then apt-cache search linux-image |
| 01:16.41 | jagginess | convolution, tell me what uname -a says |
| 01:16.46 | jagginess | (uname -a <enter>) |
| 01:17.25 | convolution | linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 01:17.45 | convolution | date, time, architecture |
| 01:17.49 | convolution | and more... |
| 01:17.52 | unknown-01903254 | Dagger2: thanks! LOL i used that pc for almost 4 years with 32bit OSes and now i know it's 64bit -_-' |
| 01:18.19 | jagginess | convolution, so you need to intall an linux-image-686-pae package after you do the above commands i mentioned |
| 01:19.26 | jagginess | convolution, you should be able to list a kernel3.xx |
| 01:19.29 | convolution | jagginess, wait, the wiki doesn't say to change kernel |
| 01:19.40 | convolution | tell me why i need to change it |
| 01:19.44 | jagginess | convolution, no.. you dont need to.. you can "add" another kernel.. |
| 01:19.59 | jagginess | convolution, there'll be a new kernel menu entry.. |
| 01:20.04 | jagginess | (on grub menu) |
| 01:20.06 | convolution | jagginess, wait |
| 01:20.31 | jagginess | convolution, what i tell you doesn't change kernels, but adds the option to boot from a newer one |
| 01:20.44 | convolution | if i do lsmod | grep rt2870sta |
| 01:20.46 | convolution | it results charged |
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| 01:20.49 | convolution | loaded |
| 01:21.01 | Cogito | ok, rebooting, thanks for the help craigevil |
| 01:21.28 | jagginess | convolution, doesnt mean its stable because its loaded. |
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| 01:22.02 | jagginess | convolution, there are bugfixes to rt2870sta |
| 01:23.15 | unknown-01903254 | Dagger2: if i have linux-image-2.6-i686 on that pc can i now simply install linux-image-2.6-amd64 to fix this or will i need to do a complete debian install ? |
| 01:23.51 | stew | unknown-01903254: what is your actual goal? |
| 01:23.54 | dvs | jagginess: rt2870sta doesn't exist in 3.2.0 |
| 01:24.08 | Dagger2 | unknown-01903254: you can add the kernel, and your system will continue to work... but all of your binaries and libraries will still be 32-bit, and the only way I know to fix that is to reinstall |
| 01:24.39 | stew | unknown-01903254: until wheezy is released, and then you'll just be able to add amd64 as an additional arch |
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| 01:24.53 | convolution | jagginess, in iwconfig the adapter wlan0 is charged |
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| 01:25.06 | convolution | and dmesg tells that the device is successfully loaded |
| 01:25.17 | convolution | but in ifconfig it will not show up |
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| 01:25.24 | elik | craigevil: trying us servers, still getting this error |
| 01:25.30 | Dagger2 | stew: multiarch only affects libraries though, doesn't it? not binaries |
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| 01:25.56 | Cogito | craigevil: that worked a treat :) |
| 01:26.00 | Dagger2 | at least in its current form |
| 01:26.03 | unknown-01903254 | Dagger2: ah, ok. and what about newly installed applications? if i do (for example) "apt-get remove gnome;apt-get install gnome" will it download and install also the 64bit version of each gnome program? |
| 01:26.04 | craigevil | elik, weird, the us.debian.org server sucks |
| 01:26.05 | Cogito | optirun works great now |
| 01:26.07 | craigevil | Cogito, nice |
| 01:26.40 | Cogito | now all I have to do is manage to use my nvidia card to drive another screen |
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| 01:27.09 | craigevil | elik, ive been using deb http://ftp-mirror.internap.com/pub/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free with no issues, it was the repo netselect-apt picked for me |
| 01:27.10 | Dagger2 | unknown-01903254: I don't think so. the problem is that it would have to reinstall *all* the libraries it depends on, which includes things like the C standard library |
| 01:27.21 | Cogito | I have a dock which has two digital outs and one analogue out, but they are wired to seperate graphics cards |
| 01:27.23 | elik | craigevil: well, it's not my first pick, but I'd expect the primary servers to be more stable |
| 01:27.24 | jagginess | convolution, so you know how long ago i told you to add kernel 3.xx, and you're still trying to play around with a buggy module? |
| 01:27.40 | Cogito | dock for my laptop* |
| 01:27.41 | elik | craigevil: netselect chose the one I already had |
| 01:27.42 | Dagger2 | unknown-01903254: apparently it is possible to do that, but it's painful and has a high chance of borking your system anyway, so a reinstall is the only realistic option |
| 01:27.44 | jagginess | convolution, try kernel2.2 .. you seem to thinking backwards.. |
| 01:27.51 | unknown-01903254 | Dagger2: ok, thanks again. i go to reinstall :) |
| 01:28.01 | convolution | jagginess, ok, tell me the command to install the newer kernel |
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| 01:28.12 | elik | craigevil: I'm just fishing for a server that wouldn't cause these errors, but I'm starting to think my computer is more at cause than the server |
| 01:28.20 | jagginess | convolution, you sound like 12. i repeated twice to you everything.. (look inthe chat history) |
| 01:28.23 | jagginess | is mad |
| 01:28.59 | stew | unknown-01903254: why do you want 64 bit? |
| 01:29.02 | dvs | tells jagginess to go protest with the rest of the students |
| 01:29.31 | convolution | ok |
| 01:29.35 | convolution | done |
| 01:29.41 | convolution | my kernel is the last |
| 01:29.45 | elik | dvs sound like someone from Quebec |
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| 01:30.02 | jagginess | convolution, i hope you installed the right one (-686) |
| 01:30.09 | convolution | linux-image-2.6.32-5 is the last |
| 01:30.20 | craigevil | elik, wouldnt hurt to try using opendns or google's dns |
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| 01:30.23 | elik | craigevil: nope, same |
| 01:30.45 | convolution | i installed nothing because no newer kernel are shown |
| 01:30.47 | jagginess | craigevil, do you trust google's dns? i sure don't :p |
| 01:31.01 | jagginess | convolution, see what dpkg said about backports |
| 01:31.36 | craigevil | uses opendns + dnscrypt |
| 01:31.59 | jagginess | hogs the root servers |
| 01:32.03 | convolution | jagginess, what is backports? |
| 01:32.20 | elik | craigevil: the ip seems fine, if I browse to it, I get a repo |
| 01:32.22 | craigevil | not like google tracks anything your isp, NSA, FBI etc dont already track |
| 01:32.29 | stew | Dagger2: no, I seem to be able to install non-library packages from either i386 or amd64 |
| 01:33.13 | craigevil | elik, had a similar issue last year where i had my router setup to use opendns, everything work but apt-get kept having errors |
| 01:33.41 | craigevil | added opendns directly to resolv.conf and it worked perfectly |
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| 01:34.10 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 01:34.23 | jagginess | craigevil, that's like saying you typed a term in the google search and it worked.. |
| 01:34.25 | jagginess | claps |
| 01:34.37 | jagginess | :p |
| 01:35.25 | craigevil | uses duckduckgo, but whatthe hell i have an android phone, and use gmail,gdrive, etc |
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| 01:35.39 | elik | craigevil: I can wget the file from the box |
| 01:35.42 | Talon_ | I downloaded the net-install CD, ran the setup.exe, installed debian, it ran its course, but locks up.. doesn't boot, I got grub.. n everything.. now windows 7 will boot from the grub menu.. now I uninstall the debian install thingy and it crashes, says something about cant run C:\Windows\Sysnative\bcdedit.exe, so now once I chose win7 from grub, now i gotta chose win7 again and have a bogus |
| 01:35.42 | Talon_ | entry for continue debian install |
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| 01:36.13 | jagginess | craigevil, basic dns servers by default cache dns lookups.. it's not hard to setup a local bind server and set a forwarder on it |
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| 01:36.31 | elik | jagginess: that's what I'm doing |
| 01:36.32 | Talon_ | so I try to install it back to try to uninstall it again to hopefully fix the issue, now it wont install that debian loader, same error, can't run that bcdedit and exits.. wont install |
| 01:36.37 | elik | jagginess: this box is my router |
| 01:37.08 | craigevil | opendns+dnscrypt+unbound |
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| 01:38.08 | elik | craigevil: it says it fails to get a file that seems to be there |
| 01:38.24 | elik | craigevil: the only difference is that aptitude seems to look for an extension less file |
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| 01:38.48 | roboman2444 | weird |
| 01:38.54 | roboman2444 | my xorg gets a segfault |
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| 01:40.26 | roboman2444 | didnt before last apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:42.52 | Blue1 | I am getting an error from openvpn that says: Options error: You must define DH file (--dh) even though the line in /etc/openvpn/server.conf is commentd out. |
| 01:44.05 | craigevil | elik, post the exact error again plz |
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| 01:44.58 | unknown-01903254 | stew: because i've a 64bit pc |
| 01:45.30 | stew | unknown-01903254: on its own, that's not much of a compelling reason |
| 01:45.51 | elik | craigevil: on its way, but it seems like aptitude is looking for a file that might have changed name or something |
| 01:46.09 | unknown-01903254 | stew: what? |
| 01:46.12 | elik | craigevil: http://paste.debian.net/173072/ |
| 01:46.16 | elik | craigevil: with your repo too |
| 01:47.10 | stew | unknown-01903254: unless you have some specific application that will make better use of 64 bit, or soemthing that isn't avialable as 32 bit, all you are likely to get is LESS efficient use of your memory |
| 01:47.14 | craigevil | frak, its working here, running apt-get dist-upgrade -yd right now |
| 01:47.46 | craigevil | elik, those are the same kinds of errors i had when i had a router using opendns |
| 01:48.16 | craigevil | i know crap about how dns works |
| 01:48.40 | elik | craigevil: well, if I can wget the thing, I'm pretty sure it's fine |
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| 01:49.17 | craigevil | right since apt uses wget to download files |
| 01:49.34 | elik | craigevil: maybe, plus well, it has to be resolved |
| 01:49.39 | Blue1 | craigevil: this may help" http://pkill-9.com/making-ubuntudebian-linux-do-its-own-dns-domain-name-service/ |
| 01:49.58 | elik | I can nslookup ftp-mirror.internap.com |
| 01:50.02 | unknown-01903254 | stew: are you sure? so it could be better for me to keep a 32bit os on that pc and maybe also switch my notebook from 64bit OS to a 32bit one? |
| 01:50.03 | craigevil | eek |
| 01:50.11 | elik | stew: any idea what might cuse this: http://paste.debian.net/173072/ |
| 01:50.24 | craigevil | already uses opendns+dnscrypt+unbound |
| 01:50.28 | unknown-01903254 | stew: do you mean that , only with old pc or also with new ones? |
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| 01:57.02 | unknown-01903254 | stew: what kind of problem memory? will it work very slow with a 64bit os? |
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| 01:59.15 | unknown-01903254 | stew: will avidemux and vlc performs better or worse with 64bit? |
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| 02:00.50 | unknown-01903254 | is stuck on installation screen trying to find out if it's a good or bad idea to switch to 64bit os |
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| 02:03.14 | nsadmin | unknown-01903254, do you have a 64b cpu? |
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| 02:05.36 | benjie | I get this error after installing pythoncad: E: python-support: triggers ci file contains unknown directive `exim_path' |
| 02:06.02 | benjie | should I completely remove python support and install again? |
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| 02:11.34 | Borillion | I know its frowned apon to even ask, but does anyone know how to get the contents of a windows exe out? |
| 02:11.46 | Borillion | I need a firmware file for a stupid usb dongle I have |
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| 02:12.59 | stew | unknown-01903254: the same software running in 32 bit and 64 bit, the 64 bit version will require more memory |
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| 02:13.30 | Borillion | My understanding is that a windows exe is a weird compressed file type |
| 02:13.40 | unknown-01903254 | nsadmin: yes |
| 02:14.09 | stew | unknown-01903254: the age of the computer doesn't really have any bearing |
| 02:14.16 | stew | unknown-01903254: how much memory do you have? |
| 02:14.19 | unknown-01903254 | stew: ah, ok |
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| 02:15.56 | stew | unknown-01903254: what are you doing with vlc? |
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| 02:16.26 | stew | do you need lots of performance to watch videos really fast? |
| 02:16.51 | stew | i would not expect much of a difference between a 32 and 64 bit version in any case |
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| 02:17.36 | unknown-01903254 | stew: i use vlc to view movies, sometimes. also i use it sometimes to stream on the LAN. The most of the time i use that pc via vnc to encode DVB transmission (TV) to avi |
| 02:17.45 | unknown-01903254 | (using avidemux) |
| 02:18.23 | unknown-01903254 | stew: i have 1GB ram |
| 02:18.27 | stew | unknown-01903254: anyway, if anything the 64 bit version might run a little slower |
| 02:18.36 | stew | unknown-01903254: uh, then you definitely want to stick to 32 bit |
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| 02:18.38 | unknown-01903254 | oh |
| 02:19.14 | stew | in fact, you may want to stick to a 32 bit kernel until you upgrade beyond 4 gb of ram |
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| 02:20.10 | unknown-01903254 | stew: thanks |
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| 02:29.49 | Pataloca | hello |
| 02:30.13 | nnatomtop | Hay, I am really stuck .. Idea -> Install debian full os on 32GB Memory Stick. Installation complete. Boot Loader is a mess and onily wants to load home system and I need some guidence on making a new grub set up Just for the memory stick. |
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| 02:31.19 | nnatomtop | Oh and I have been digging threw the web for help .. Found Nothing |
| 02:31.38 | nnatomtop | I need an example grub file or advice |
| 02:31.54 | unknown-01903254 | nnatomtop: i 've found this recently http://brownout.tumblr.com/post/21666994420/booting-live-linux-distributions-with-grub2 |
| 02:32.25 | unknown-01903254 | it seems to be a good guide (i havent followed it yet) |
| 02:33.12 | unknown-01903254 | i think i'll try soon something like that :) |
| 02:33.28 | nnatomtop | unknown-01903254, Sadly not what I am looking for. The is a standard install of the os just directly to memory stick |
| 02:34.09 | unknown-01903254 | nnatomtop: ah, ok |
| 02:35.23 | unknown-01903254 | nnatomtop: i tried the usb installation of backtrack some months ago. It worked but after less than a month i had to remove it and reinstall. That's becauser it's not a good thing to do an installation on USB stick. |
| 02:36.06 | unknown-01903254 | It's better to use an ISO file on the usb stick (NO install) . this way the stick has less writes and reads. |
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| 02:37.05 | unknown-01903254 | a real *live* os on a usb stick generally f*cks the partition and you then need to format and reinstall. |
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| 02:37.19 | nnatomtop | I am going to try my own work around |
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| 02:37.53 | unknown-01903254 | nnatomtop: good luck. just remember to *dont* use swap partition |
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| 02:48.39 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 02:48.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 02:52.38 | Blue1 | i am having some problems with openvpn -- could someone please take a look: http://paste.debian.net/173075/ |
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| 02:53.35 | mo1991 | I am trying to install a newer version of compiz from sources. According to their website I should move into the extracted tarball folder and execute - > ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local && ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 02:54.01 | mo1991 | however I get ./autogen.sh: No such file or directory |
| 02:54.07 | mo1991 | can someone help me? |
| 02:54.45 | mo1991 | haven't really used autogen before?? |
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| 02:57.17 | stew | mo1991: sounds like you should file a bug with them |
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| 02:58.06 | stew | Blue1: yes, you need a pem encoded dh parameter file |
| 02:58.56 | mo1991 | stew- ?? meaning they should have that script in the directory? |
| 02:59.07 | stew | Blue1: something like "openssl dhparam -out /etc/openvpn/dh1024.pem 1024" then add "dh dh1024.pem" to your .conf |
| 02:59.27 | mo1991 | I'm a bit confused as ./configure seems to work without the first part of the command sequence |
| 02:59.27 | stew | mo1991: or they should fix the documentation that tells you to execute a script they are not providing |
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| 03:00.39 | Blue1 | stew: why would I need one, if I don't plan on using it and it's not specified? |
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| 03:05.47 | stew | Blue1: i'm not sure I understand what you are after then |
| 03:05.47 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.24 | stew | Blue1: are you trying to use ssl/tls or a pre-shared key? |
| 03:06.26 | Blue1 | stew: just a normal vpn w/o diffe heilman |
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| 03:06.55 | stew | Blue1: encrypted or non-encrypted? |
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| 03:07.00 | Blue1 | stew: been off/on trying this for 18 months now. |
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| 03:07.17 | Blue1 | stew: just lzo compression |
| 03:08.08 | stew | Blue1: why are you specifying a private key then? |
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| 03:09.01 | Blue1 | stew: well I am trying not to - is there a better way? |
| 03:09.20 | stew | Blue1: a better way to do what? |
| 03:09.26 | stew | Blue1: you are specifying a private hey |
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| 03:09.57 | Blue1 | stew: how do I not do that? |
| 03:10.09 | stew | Blue1: take the "key" directive out of you configuration |
| 03:10.22 | Blue1 | stew: and code what instead? |
| 03:10.26 | stew | code? |
| 03:10.41 | Blue1 | stew: change key waynovpn.key to what then? |
| 03:10.50 | stew | Blue1: to not be there |
| 03:11.11 | Blue1 | stew: that's where I am lost what do I change it too? |
| 03:11.17 | stew | Blue1: to nothing |
| 03:11.30 | Blue1 | stew: then how to I specify a key? |
| 03:11.36 | stew | Blue1: you don't |
| 03:12.00 | stew | Blue1: a key is for an ssl encrypted vpn, you seemed to indicate you wanted it to be unencrypted |
| 03:12.16 | stew | Blue1: do you want this to be encrypted or not? |
| 03:12.34 | Blue1 | stew: what I want is it to use a public key -- I guess that's encryped then? |
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| 03:13.38 | stew | Blue1: so you need to add the cert, the ca cert and a dh |
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| 03:14.30 | Blue1 | stew: ahh that I don't know how to do -- I just did this: openvpn --genkey --secret waynovpn.key |
| 03:15.35 | stew | Blue1: now you create a csr, sign the csr with your ca to create a cert, use openssh to generate a dh file |
| 03:15.46 | stew | Blue1: do you have a ca? |
| 03:16.11 | Blue1 | stew: no I tried to build that but got no errors and no key |
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| 03:17.11 | stew | Blue1: perhaps you want to try the "easy-rsa" utility that comes with openvpn? |
| 03:17.58 | Blue1 | stew: this is what I tried http://switzernet.com/public/081215-openvpn-client/main.htm it did NOT do anything. |
| 03:18.09 | Blue1 | stew: I could try that. |
| 03:18.10 | stew | Blue1: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#pki |
| 03:18.27 | stew | Blue1: the easa-rsa scripts are in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples |
| 03:18.49 | Blue1 | stew: looks similar to have I have already tried - - |
| 03:19.15 | stew | ah, yes it does |
| 03:20.01 | Blue1 | stew: thank you for your time -- I need a break and will try later. |
| 03:20.20 | stew | Blue1: what was wrong with easy-rsa? |
| 03:25.20 | Blue1 | stew: I have not tried that - but I will try tht later - i have been at this today for over 3 hours now. |
| 03:26.15 | stew | huh? |
| 03:26.31 | Blue1 | stew: my brain is tired -- I have been trying to fix this 3 hours today |
| 03:26.45 | stew | Blue1> stew: this is what I tried Blue1> stew: I have not tried that |
| 03:26.52 | stew | this and that refer to the same thing |
| 03:26.54 | stew | ok |
| 03:27.26 | Blue1 | stew: i have not tried easy-rsa but I my brain is too tired from working for 3 hours plus today trying to solve it - will try easy rsa later |
| 03:28.05 | stew | so when you said you had tried it, and it did not do anything |
| 03:28.10 | stew | i guess it was because you actually didn't |
| 03:28.21 | Blue1 | stew: I had tried to build the ca cert, and that did NOT work |
| 03:28.38 | stew | heh |
| 03:28.40 | stew | whatever |
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| 03:29.04 | Blue1 | stew: that's what I meant - hope that makes sense |
| 03:29.21 | stew | heh, no he does not make sense |
| 03:29.27 | stew | i am the fool if I try to continue with him |
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| 03:30.21 | Blue1 | stew: this http://switzernet.com/public/081215-openvpn-client/main.htm is similar to the link you gave me -- I was not sucessful in generating a key - no error but no ca |
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| 03:44.58 | acu_ | how can I add users in GNOME3 (wheezy) ? |
| 03:45.23 | acu_ | also, how can I erase the history from root etc ? |
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| 03:52.20 | LtL | acu_: uh why |
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| 04:14.54 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 04:14.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 04:17.12 | Blue1 | stew: q.e.d. http://paste.debian.net/173080/ had to get help from my linux guru guy |
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| 04:27.19 | dwon | www.debian.org still doesn't have an AAAA record if you access it from North America. :( |
| 04:27.44 | dwon | http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/ <-- it's listed here. It also doesn't work for me. |
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| 04:34.34 | phanindraramesh | hai all I am trying to compile a C file using the command "gcc -Wall -g -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -O -c -o ttfrender.o ttfrender.c `pkg-config --cflags pgm-5.1` \ `pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1`" but it is giving the error "gcc: error: -lpgm: No such file or directory" anybodu please help |
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| 04:38.08 | stew | phanindraramesh: perhaps you need to install libpgm-dev |
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| 04:39.47 | phanindraramesh | stew: I installed all three packages related to libpgm namely libpgm-5.1-0, libpgm-dev, libpgm-dbg |
| 04:41.26 | stew | phanindraramesh: what does "pkg-config --libs pgm-5.1" return? |
| 04:42.19 | phanindraramesh | stew, -lpgm |
| 04:43.48 | stew | dpkg: file pgm-5.1.pc |
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| 04:45.18 | stew | odd, i have an openpgm-5.1 but not pgm-5.1 |
| 04:45.29 | stew | phanindraramesh: what does "pkg-config --libs openpgm-5.1" return? |
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| 04:46.19 | phanindraramesh | -I/usr/include/pgm-5.1 -I/usr/lib/pgm-5.1/include is the output of "pkg-config --libs openpgm-5.1" |
| 04:46.41 | stew | phanindraramesh: does /usr/lib/pkgconfig/pgm-5.1.pc exist? |
| 04:47.14 | phanindraramesh | stew, so sich file in /usr/lib/pkgconfig |
| 04:47.49 | stew | i don't know how pgm-5.1 is working for you |
| 04:48.12 | stew | or why --libs is returning include files instead of libs |
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| 04:49.59 | phanindraramesh | stew: "-lpgm" is the output of "pkg-config --libs openpgm-5.1". I have done wrong in the other time |
| 04:50.27 | stew | phanindraramesh: what version of libpgm-dev is installed? |
| 04:51.25 | phanindraramesh | stew :5.1.116. Synaptic says it the latest version |
| 04:51.53 | stew | phanindraramesh: what is the actual version of the package you have installed? |
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| 04:52.45 | phanindraramesh | stew, it is the same .I installed libpgm-dev 5.1.116 |
| 04:53.00 | stew | phanindraramesh: what distro are you running? |
| 04:53.21 | phanindraramesh | stew, I am using Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 04:53.34 | stew | phanindraramesh: wrong channel, please ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu |
| 04:54.09 | phanindraramesh | stew, i asked it in that channel. But found no answer. Thats why I tried here |
| 04:54.10 | motherbrain | I am wondering I have been compiling/building/making alot of the linux vanilla kernels on linux kernel.org site I was told you cann't really use these linux kernel interchangeable on a ubuntu system , or other distro systems. except they said debain maybe compatible with this kernels is that true |
| 04:55.00 | stew | phanindraramesh: this is the wrong channel. if you cna't get an answer from a #ubuntu, try a ubuntu mailing list or something like askubuntu.com |
| 04:55.22 | phanindraramesh | stew, thank you. I will try that |
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| 04:56.40 | stew | motherbrain: you can use vanilla kernels on debian, if you are willing to do the work, however this is usually not worth the effort. I believe that if you are being told you can't use them on other distros that you are getting misinformed |
| 04:57.10 | motherbrain | I am just curious apart from using these vanilla kernels for a starting point in building another redhat , fedora , backtracks, ubuntu , kubuntu , gentoo ,...etc specific distro kernel what would be the point of these |
| 04:57.34 | motherbrain | kernels on kernel.org |
| 04:58.25 | stew | its too late for me to get into a question like "what is the point of linux" |
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| 04:58.36 | motherbrain | or is that just there purpose to allow people to have a starting point to create custom kernel for a distro sort of a starting point |
| 04:59.10 | motherbrain | not saying the purpose of linux |
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| 05:00.20 | motherbrain | I am saying is there any other purpose to linux but to allow people to have a starting point to build linux specfic distros from |
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| 05:01.57 | motherbrain | since I cann't see you using linux kernels right out of the box normally so the point in modifying / making a kernel from linux kernel.org would only be if you where creating your own customized linux kernel for a distro you where creating CORRECT in most cases |
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| 05:04.51 | motherbrain | since once you made the linux kernel.org kernel I am finding in most linux distros you cann't just install it will out going throw a hard process of patching the kernel ,...etc... so in theory if you wanted to customize the kernel code for the distro you are using you would want to download the kernel source for that distro , like ubuntu kernel code ,...etc not the kernels code found on linux.org correct? |
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| 05:06.57 | somiaj | in debian you can use make-kpkg and build vanilla kernels just fine. I used them for years and only recentally started using default debian kernels and not complining my own cause I got sick of keeping up with all the new features. |
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| 05:12.56 | motherbrain | ok somiaj but using vanilla kernels from linux kernel.org usually only works on debian based machine normally you would have a much more difficult if you wanted to use the in place of a redhat , backtracks, knoppix, ubuntu ,...etc distro correct |
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| 05:13.33 | jagginess | motherbrain, you'll have to consult documentation for other distros.. they may be more "strict" for applying patches (especially for the init process) |
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| 05:28.08 | g4mbit | cman don't tell me that every1 is sleeping |
| 05:28.43 | __gilles | :) |
| 05:29.12 | somiaj | motherbrain: yes this is not the place to discuss other distros, this is for debian support. |
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| 05:31.59 | g4mbit | hmm |
| 05:32.01 | g4mbit | yea |
| 05:32.04 | g4mbit | good morning :D |
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| 05:51.15 | ItsMeLenny | is there no 6.0.5 gnome cd? |
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| 05:54.21 | elena | how do I find a file in GNOME |
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| 06:03.49 | ItsMeLenny | oh right |
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| 06:19.25 | jarco | Hello, after installing debian onto a hp proliant microserver (and playing a little with hard drive priority I got into grub. PRoblem: its not the thing where the kernels are listed but a line saying: grub> . Any toughts on how to get the kernel window? |
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| 06:41.31 | jarco | Ok. Seems like the grub bootloader is installed to my usb stick. I can boot the server without it and then i see the grub command line. If i put the usb stick in the os boots into the blue grub screen where i can select the kernels (the thing I want). Why does the installer assume my usb stick is the mbr? |
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| 06:41.55 | jarco | Or I assume that is what is happening |
| 06:42.18 | motherbrain | ok so if one wanted to test his compiled linux vanilla kernel that he made using menuconfig , make ,...etc what version or debain distro should he use so he doesn't have to patch or other crazy stuff just works out of the box with the distro |
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| 06:44.09 | at0m | jarco: once booted using the USB stick, check out grub-install |
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| 06:44.35 | motherbrain | anybody |
| 06:44.35 | at0m | jarco: use it to install grub on the harddisk |
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| 06:51.29 | jarco | at0m: How do i do that? Just from command line in grub%? |
| 06:52.19 | intore | hi, 'morning. i have some troubles opening correctly yahoo mail pages using dansguardian. i set yahoo sites in exceptionsitelist, i found banned extensions in the log and i deleted them but the pages still bad. what must to do? |
| 06:52.48 | jarco | sorry I just read your previous comment. I will boot into the normal command line and try to fix it with grub install |
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| 06:56.16 | jarco | So if the bootable flag is on /dev/sda1 i do "grub-install /dev/sda1" ? |
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| 06:57.39 | jarco | If i do that is sais. Attempt to install in a partition. This is a BAD idea... |
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| 07:01.24 | at0m | jarco: grub-install /dev/sda installs to mbr |
| 07:01.45 | jarco | i did that |
| 07:01.57 | jarco | still gives the "grub>" line at startup |
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| 07:03.01 | jarco | when plugging in the usb again i get my grub menu back |
| 07:06.03 | at0m | jarco: grub-mkdevicemap then, it will make a device map. using that map, grub-install will find kernels to boot and list at boot in grub |
| 07:06.47 | jarco | its normal to get no feedback on that command? |
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| 07:08.39 | at0m | i think so. it makes a /boot/grub/device.map by default |
| 07:08.53 | at0m | just make sure /boot/ isnt on the usb |
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| 07:10.07 | cipher__ | i am running bumblebee (or rather trying) in order to fix my graphics predicament. "cipher@panodora:~$ glxspheres : Polygons in scene: 62464 Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".ERROR (596): Could not obtain RGB visual with requested properties" |
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| 07:12.14 | cipher__ | my gpu was working prior to a haywire package that starting removing my programs ad hoc |
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| 07:14.46 | jarco | I installed some folders to other disks perhaps thats it. boot is flagged to /dev/sda1 and that disk is 80 gigs so that is correct when I try to make boot happen from /dev/sda? |
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| 07:15.01 | at0m | jarco: does 'mount' show /boot mounted on usb or on sda1? |
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| 07:15.22 | at0m | if nothing, it's on /, sda1, i assume |
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| 07:16.35 | jarco | mount doesnt return boot anywhere |
| 07:16.48 | at0m | ok then /boot is on / |
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| 07:17.58 | jarco | i have some files like this vmluniz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 . I just mention it because it could mean something |
| 07:18.31 | at0m | yea that's normal |
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| 07:20.23 | jarco | ok |
| 07:20.46 | at0m | jarco: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub explains config and installation |
| 07:20.51 | at0m | not sure what went wrong |
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| 07:24.39 | jarco | I am trying to do that |
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| 07:24.52 | jarco | for starters grub 2 wasnt installed, only legacy was |
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| 07:45.27 | elik | Aptitude has been giving me a hard time for a few days (failed to fetch Tranlation, http://paste.debian.net/173072/). I tried different repositories and cleaning my aptitude cache, but that didn't help. If I browse the repository, it seems the files are there, but the name might be wrong (I don't know how the exact wget url is built, but it might be missing an extension) |
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| 07:53.20 | commx | hi there, cron uses a different timezone as the system itself does, isn't it? |
| 07:55.40 | at0m | commx: maybe your user has a different timezone than cron/system? |
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| 07:57.40 | commx | at0m: actually I don't know. At least it has no specific environment variables set for this. However recently I changed the system's TZ to UTC and the cron jobs are being executed exacly two hours earlier like they should (previous TZ was +0200) |
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| 08:03.30 | Cogito | humm |
| 08:03.46 | Cogito | cadaver keeps hanging when I try and do a second put action |
| 08:03.47 | Cogito | so weird |
| 08:04.07 | Cogito | the first put works perfectly |
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| 08:12.30 | sep | when hotswapping a sas disk, I do the command echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan ; and i would expect to get the disk available, but i can not see sdb in proc/partitions, or in fstab -l , i do see entries in dmesg about scsi 0:0:3:0: Direct-Access SEAGATE ST9146852SS 0005 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5; scsi 0:0:3:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0; but i do not get /dev/sdb , that i want to partition and add to replace a failed mdadm device. anyon |
| 08:12.31 | sep | e have a clue to how to trigger the detection so can see /dev/sdb |
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| 08:13.35 | sep | running squeeze and 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 08:14.51 | jarco | how to avoid this? I plugin one hard drive. No problem. I plugin 3 more (empty ext4 drives) grub boots into the grub command line. |
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| 08:26.32 | lihongwu | Hi, all. How can I get a list of packages that are installed manually, I mean those that are not installed as dependencies? |
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| 08:28.19 | Cogito | lihongwu: not sure of a way to generate such a list, but if you open aptitude it will show you if a package was installed automatically |
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| 08:28.33 | Cogito | I assume you want a list though |
| 08:28.46 | Cogito | I would start by looking at dpkg |
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| 08:29.21 | Cogito | jarco: what happens if you attach them after boot? |
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| 08:32.35 | lihongwu | Cogito, thanks for your advice. Yeah, actually i was looking for an equivalent for the Gentoo 'world' file, so that i can easily mark some package as 'auto' if i no longer need it, or just uninstall it to make my system clean. |
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| 08:34.15 | Cogito | have a look at man dpkg, in particular the --list option |
| 08:34.18 | Cogito | I think that might help |
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| 08:34.45 | lihongwu | Cogito, thanks, i'll give that a shot. :-) |
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| 08:38.56 | robocoop71 | ciao |
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| 08:39.37 | robocoop71 | slaps aidaho around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:39.44 | robocoop71 | 3d |
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| 08:42.58 | Cogito | lihongwu: turns out you want to use aptitude |
| 08:43.10 | robocoop71 | 3d |
| 08:46.06 | Cogito | lihongwu: use $ aptitude search ~M |
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| 08:47.43 | lihongwu | Cogito, That works great. Thank you. xD |
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| 08:48.29 | Cogito | no worries |
| 08:48.37 | Cogito | you might also want to look into the -F flag |
| 08:48.59 | Cogito | for example $ aptitude search ~M -F '%p' |
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| 08:49.10 | Cogito | that will change the format of the output |
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| 08:58.21 | lihongwu | Cogito: That really helps. I'll read the manual pages for dpkg and aptitude thoroughly. Maybe I didn't do enough research before asking, my bad. Thank you again. |
| 08:58.42 | Cogito | it's no worries! |
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| 08:58.53 | Cogito | I had to look it up myuself |
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| 08:59.43 | lihongwu | Cogito, ;p |
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| 09:18.41 | se45rfv | how to add debian repos in a different distro (I am trying to install wireless drivers |
| 09:18.46 | se45rfv | ? |
| 09:19.04 | linduxed | my package updating has come across a conflict. it suggests to remove libept1, but that seems to be an important package |
| 09:19.14 | linduxed | is this a part of the process of updating APT? |
| 09:19.36 | xand | se45rfv: what distro are you running? |
| 09:20.12 | se45rfv | Trisquel |
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| 09:22.04 | ansgar | !trisquel |
| 09:22.05 | dpkg | Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. http://trisquel.info/en #trisquel on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 09:48.40 | tqft | I am using wheezy and have a problem with sound - ordinary pulse works fine for vlc etc but I want to connect up Jack and it sort of works, I can route sound to say audacity from tv card, but not get sound out simultaneously |
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| 09:53.06 | morteng | I need to recover data from an old CD, I have lenny, can I install the squeeze version of ddrescue + gddrescue on lenny |
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| 09:54.31 | Cogito | tqft: you might get more help over at #debian-testing |
| 09:54.44 | Cogito | or is it #debian-next |
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| 09:58.03 | pithagorians | hi. is it possible with alien that i force the binary folder of the installed package? |
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| 10:06.03 | tqft | cogito: testing is empty & next is invite only |
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| 10:08.43 | Cogito | hmmm |
| 10:09.00 | Cogito | sorry about that |
| 10:09.16 | Cogito | oh, maybe it is on the debian irc servers |
| 10:09.35 | tqft | is OK I will go eat some dinner and be back in an hour or so |
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| 10:26.07 | cibegt | hi |
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| 10:26.34 | cibegt | how big is the master boot record in wheezy with msdos partition table? |
| 10:27.04 | cibegt | i want to make a backup from it with dd? |
| 10:27.28 | ksk | cibegt: why to backup it? you can easily restore a boot record using a live-system |
| 10:27.57 | cibegt | cibegt: could you explain it more please? |
| 10:28.07 | cibegt | ksk: could you explain it more please? |
| 10:28.36 | ksk | you want to know how to install a boot-record/loader/whatever? |
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| 10:29.20 | ksk | boot livecd, mount your devices, chroot into it. use 'grub-install --recheck /dev/sda' (or whatever device you want to install it to). done |
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| 10:29.58 | cibegt | ksk: no. I've written a script which makes a clone from a computer with msdos partition table and writes the clone back |
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| 10:31.06 | cibegt | i backup the master boot sector with this: dd if=primary_hard_disk of=backup_mbr bs=512 count=1 |
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| 10:31.44 | cibegt | but i want to be sure that the master boot record for a wheezy system 512 is |
| 10:31.50 | Mtl_Harmony | Hello. I try to do : modprobe iptable_nat but ---> FATAL: Error inserting iptable_nat (/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab056.2/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.ko): Cannot allocate memory |
| 10:31.55 | Mtl_Harmony | In dmesg : [952022.479912] nf_nat_init: can't setup rules. |
| 10:32.00 | Mtl_Harmony | free -m => 12G Free |
| 10:32.07 | Mtl_Harmony | And modprobe iptable_filter is working ^^ |
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| 10:35.45 | Mtl_Harmony | Any idea ? |
| 10:36.05 | cibegt | is the size of master boot record in wheezy with msdos partition table 512? |
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| 10:37.09 | Iridos | this doesn't look like a Debian kernel |
| 10:37.40 | trysten | wtf is paste.debian.net down? |
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| 10:38.11 | Iridos | it's not |
| 10:39.07 | Iridos | And you coulda seen yourself, I guess http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 10:40.07 | derpella | Ehh... flash isn't working on my fresh install of squeeze: it crashes iceweasel with an error which can be roughly translated as "invalid instruction" and doesn't show in chromium at all. |
| 10:40.43 | Mtl_Harmony | OpenVZ RHEL Kernel |
| 10:40.56 | Mtl_Harmony | Fully compatible until now. |
| 10:41.02 | Mtl_Harmony | I can load several mod with modprobe |
| 10:41.06 | Mtl_Harmony | And nop this one |
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| 11:12.26 | angs | does linaro-image-tools and live-build work in ubuntu? |
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| 11:13.58 | stew | angs: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
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| 11:16.24 | angs | I will install DebianOn to my embedded board. In the instruction, it says linaro image tools will be needed. I wonder if I can use ubuntu for the loading DebianOn image to the SD card. |
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| 11:24.46 | stew | angs: can I use ubuntu for _foo_ really belong in #ubuntu |
| 11:24.57 | stew | angs: and I think when you say "DebianOn" you really mean to say just "Debian" |
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| 11:28.16 | nsadmin | angs, curious, why not use debian for that part? |
| 11:28.16 | angs | It is Debian for sure but It is linked to DebianOn |
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| 11:28.29 | angs | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/TI/BeagleBone |
| 11:28.48 | angs | I am going to use that one |
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| 11:30.23 | themill | angs: "DebianOn" is just some documentation about how to install debian on hardware. It's still debian. (just as that page says) |
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| 11:38.07 | nsadmin | for one thing, that doc doesn't describe how to do the placement of the image using ubuntu, and doesn't say which ubuntu has the versions of live-build or linaro-image-tools. I'm not saying it's impossible to do this on ubuntu, only that it's not documented,,, it's better to go with debian given the docs you have now are specific to it |
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| 12:12.38 | milligan | I've got a videofile in .MTS format. Is there any decent software out there I could use to grab a clip from that file ? |
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| 12:14.45 | XSlicer | milligan, openshot? |
| 12:15.00 | milligan | XSlicer, I'll check it out |
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| 12:34.46 | elik | I've been having issues with apt (aptitude) recently (http://paste.debian.net/173072/). I tried do to a clean, but for some reason, apt keeps trying to get a bad package... I tried different repos too |
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| 12:38.02 | stew | elik: try a different mirror |
| 12:39.22 | themill | one that uses ftpsync rather than some other random sync script :( |
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| 12:45.19 | Almtesh | Hi, I'm on debian squeeze, I can't start apache2 as root. |
| 12:45.35 | Almtesh | Anyone knows how I can do that? |
| 12:45.59 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, you problably have a issue with your config |
| 12:45.59 | PhoenixSTF | does it give any error? |
| 12:46.50 | Almtesh | Yes, I must add -DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE to variable CFLAGS. |
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| 12:47.06 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, that's what I can't do. |
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| 12:47.15 | PhoenixSTF | ??? |
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| 12:48.12 | Almtesh | Yes, I know, modify a envar is basic, so, I can't understant why I can't do it. |
| 12:48.44 | PhoenixSTF | you cant modify the config file? |
| 12:48.59 | PhoenixSTF | you cant do nano or vi? |
| 12:49.15 | Almtesh | I can modify it, but, if I modify the CFLAGS envar, the result is the same. |
| 12:49.35 | PhoenixSTF | a bit out of my league here |
| 12:49.38 | PhoenixSTF | sorry |
| 12:49.40 | Almtesh | I added it in /etc/apache/envars and /etc/init.d/apache2. |
| 12:50.43 | stew | Almtesh: you are going to compile apache yourself instead of using the one from debian? |
| 12:50.56 | Almtesh | stew, sorry? |
| 12:50.58 | Almtesh | Why? |
| 12:51.07 | stew | I don't know why |
| 12:51.18 | stew | oh, you seem to be confused. CFLAGS is someething used during compilation |
| 12:51.31 | stew | Almtesh: its an envvar used by gcc, the compiler |
| 12:51.45 | stew | Almtesh: why do you think you need "BIG_SECURITY_HOLE"? |
| 12:51.48 | Almtesh | stew, OK. |
| 12:52.00 | Almtesh | stew, I need to run apache as root. |
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| 12:52.11 | stew | Almtesh: why? |
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| 12:52.29 | Almtesh | stew, because apache must access to all the system in the machine. |
| 12:52.39 | babilen | Almtesh: How did you install apache? How do you start it? Why do you need to run it as root? Could you please paste your command and the exact error message to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 12:52.42 | Almtesh | The root, the discs. |
| 12:53.12 | Almtesh | babilen, I installed it with apt-get install apache2. |
| 12:53.21 | stew | Almtesh: i suppose you can give it access to the discs but putting it in the "disk" user group |
| 12:53.32 | stew | Almtesh: when you say "the root" what specifically do you mean? |
| 12:53.48 | stew | Almtesh: sorry, i mean to say "by putting www-data in the disk user group" |
| 12:54.00 | elik | stew: I tried 3-4 different mirrors |
| 12:54.02 | stew | Almtesh: if you REALLY want it to run as root, you'll have to compile your own version. |
| 12:54.13 | stew | elik: keep going until you find one that isn't broken |
| 12:54.15 | elik | and I tried one for a persone that didn't have issues |
| 12:54.25 | elik | stew: why are repos so broken? |
| 12:54.34 | Almtesh | stew, I don't think, the disk group is not something certain for me, and I can't use e2fsprogs if I'm not root. |
| 12:54.41 | Almtesh | stew, I think… |
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| 12:55.01 | elik | stew: can I try yours? |
| 12:55.42 | angs | where can I find debian image file for beaglebone? |
| 12:55.43 | stew | elik: try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 12:55.59 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, what do you want to do with apache? |
| 12:56.29 | elik | stew: I tried that one already |
| 12:56.29 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, systems installation. |
| 12:56.36 | stew | angs: debian doesn't have images specific to particular computers. go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
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| 12:56.49 | stew | Almtesh: if you really want to run apache as root, you have to compile it yourself |
| 12:57.05 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, systems instalationg like in pxe boot? |
| 12:57.12 | PhoenixSTF | *instalation |
| 12:57.26 | Almtesh | Yes. |
| 12:57.32 | Almtesh | Quite like that. |
| 12:57.33 | PhoenixSTF | -_- |
| 12:57.35 | angs | thank you stew |
| 12:57.54 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, there is already something up for that |
| 12:58.01 | Almtesh | It would be a temporary solution, I want to do it with a shell script. later. |
| 12:58.13 | stew | angs: oh, that page you posted before actually tells you how to build an image specific for your hardware |
| 12:58.28 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, what do you mean? |
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| 12:59.00 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, oh, you mean the netboot image? |
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| 12:59.06 | fgro | i can't type "umlaute" in remote shell on debian. how to fix? |
| 12:59.46 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, I mean there is a program designed for that taks |
| 12:59.50 | PhoenixSTF | its called Cobler |
| 13:00.09 | Almtesh | Cobler? |
| 13:00.11 | PhoenixSTF | you can have several boot images and scripts |
| 13:00.16 | Almtesh | I looking it… |
| 13:00.21 | PhoenixSTF | cobbler |
| 13:00.24 | stew | Almtesh: how are you planning to get apache to do things like run e2fsprogs anyway? |
| 13:00.38 | PhoenixSTF | thats the right way to speel it Cobbler |
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| 13:00.51 | angs | stew: I saw the explanations but it seemed complicated for me as I am a beginner. I found an easier instruction here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian thank you for your response |
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| 13:01.20 | PhoenixSTF | Red Hat made satellite, btut everyone is using Cobbler |
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| 13:01.40 | Morgawr | hello, I have a question... I'm trying to remove a lot of unused programs, however when I go launch "apt-get remove <package>" (or even purge) it asks to remove stuff I still use (like my whole desktop manager), how can I make sure apt-get/dpkg removes only the stuff I tell it to remove (and unused dependencies) and doesn't try to remove stuff I need? |
| 13:01.41 | PhoenixSTF | stew he wanted a PXE boot install |
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| 13:01.55 | stew | PhoenixSTF: I dont' think so |
| 13:02.17 | PhoenixSTF | stew yes he did read a bit more top |
| 13:02.20 | elik | stew: any other options? I'd like to have more details about what aptitude is trying to get, but all the verbose options seem to work at a "deeper" level (depencedies, resolutions, etc) |
| 13:02.24 | PhoenixSTF | stew ^^ |
| 13:03.18 | PhoenixSTF | Morgawr, because some of those programs and dependencies that are the desktop... I don't know the workaround that but a quick search over the internet might get you there |
| 13:03.20 | Almtesh | stew, yes, I want it. |
| 13:03.36 | Almtesh | stew, I will recompile apache to do that, or else. |
| 13:03.44 | Morgawr | PhoenixSTF: but it doesn't make sense, I'm trying to remove leafpad and it says that it wants to remove lxde...??? |
| 13:03.51 | Morgawr | how can lxde depend on leafpad? |
| 13:04.10 | stew | Almtesh: is this the case? you've changed your mind from wanting an apache install that can modify local disks to run stuff like e2fsprogs to now wanting to instead run an installer from some other netboot server? |
| 13:04.43 | stew | Almtesh: when you say "yes I want it", what is "it"? |
| 13:05.24 | Almtesh | stew, "it" is what I want to do. |
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| 13:05.39 | stew | Almtesh: what do you want to do? |
| 13:06.18 | stew | Almtesh: has it changed to include PXE? do you know what PXE is? |
| 13:06.20 | PhoenixSTF | Morgawr, Dont know m8 sorry, you might have a option not to remove dependencies or not to remove a specific packge |
| 13:06.22 | Almtesh | I want to use a website (allready done) served by apache as root to install systems on local machine. |
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| 13:06.39 | stew | Almtesh: ok, that's what I though |
| 13:06.41 | Almtesh | stew, and I know PXE. |
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| 13:07.16 | stew | Almtesh: is PXE going to be involved in your solution? |
| 13:07.27 | Almtesh | If I use anything by apache as root, I must redo almost the whole website. |
| 13:07.32 | Almtesh | Yes. |
| 13:07.38 | stew | Almtesh: where does PXE fit in? |
| 13:07.54 | Almtesh | stew, I starts the machine. |
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| 13:08.15 | Almtesh | stew, sorry, put a system on RAM to install the system. |
| 13:08.33 | stew | so you are going to have PXE serve an image which includes a recompiled apache with the -DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE flag, then this apache actually installs the image? |
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| 13:09.06 | Almtesh | stew, no, it will install any image. |
| 13:09.06 | PhoenixSTF | thats not the usual thing to do..... |
| 13:09.33 | stew | so just replace the last "the" with "some" |
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| 13:09.45 | Almtesh | stew, not the PXE image boot, but anything else. |
| 13:09.55 | stew | and how does apache do this? |
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| 13:10.21 | PhoenixSTF | <----------- confused! |
| 13:10.38 | stew | PhoenixSTF: you see why I didn't think you had the whole picture yet, right? |
| 13:10.40 | Almtesh | stew, it installs it, how do you want to install a system? |
| 13:10.40 | stew | :) |
| 13:11.06 | stew | apache by itself doesn't contain any mechanism for installing system images |
| 13:11.11 | PhoenixSTF | stew, yes i do see, but still it's a confusing way of doing what he wants to do! |
| 13:11.18 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, you are not the only one, I do what I can to make it clear. Sorry if it stays to far complicated and confusing. |
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| 13:11.38 | stew | phrases like "it installs it" are not very easy for us to understand |
| 13:11.53 | Almtesh | stew, mmm… |
| 13:11.57 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, explain from the beginning you boot up a system then what? |
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| 13:12.34 | Almtesh | To do it simple, I start a system with PXE. |
| 13:12.41 | PhoenixSTF | ok |
| 13:12.49 | PhoenixSTF | what doe it loads? |
| 13:13.16 | Almtesh | That system uses a webserver to be controled and can install a choosen other system on the box's drive. |
| 13:13.46 | Almtesh | A debian GNU/Linux system. |
| 13:14.01 | stew | why wouldn't you just run a debian installer? |
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| 13:14.12 | PhoenixSTF | so you want to load a webserver on to a machine thruu PXE, and then with a web page choose what you want to install on that box VIA WEB PAGE |
| 13:14.13 | stew | (via pxe or whatever) |
| 13:14.32 | Almtesh | stew, because my debian live system does not installs debian systems. |
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| 13:14.53 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, yo got it! |
| 13:15.11 | stew | !rube goldberg install |
| 13:15.12 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 13:15.13 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, I am going to make your life simple, Cobbler... it can install anything....... |
| 13:16.10 | PhoenixSTF | your idea is good, but its too complicated |
| 13:16.40 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, your problem (it was mine two years ago) is that you think as a simple normal person who does not want to get useless complication. |
| 13:16.53 | stew | when you are having to do things like recompile with -DBIG_SECURITY_HOLE, I qustion the "your idea is good" part |
| 13:17.02 | stew | Almtesh: what did you code this system in? php? |
| 13:17.10 | Almtesh | Unfortunatly, that not the way to think for the person who did the website. |
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| 13:18.12 | elik | stew: that option has a sexy name |
| 13:18.42 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, my problem is KISS, I understand your idea it is diferent but it will just get you in inconvenience trouble |
| 13:18.42 | Almtesh | elik, indeed. |
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| 13:19.34 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, I'm not english, what is KISS? |
| 13:19.40 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, a system that complicated will not be user friendly for any admin who gets there and??? what hapen? |
| 13:20.00 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, you think again as a normal person. |
| 13:20.16 | elik | Almtesh: Keep It simple and stupid |
| 13:20.19 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle |
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| 13:20.52 | PhoenixSTF | I dont think like a normal person I think like a practical person! |
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| 13:21.32 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, yes, the pratical way is normal. |
| 13:21.33 | PhoenixSTF | unless your a developer in inventing something new, what you are doing is way too complicated |
| 13:21.43 | angs | in the instruction, it says "Execute "lb config --apt-indices none --architectures armel --binary-images tar --binary-filesystem ext3 --bootloader "" --bootstrap-flavour standard --cache false --chroot-filesystem none --debian-installer-gui false --distribution wheezy --parent-distribution wheezy --parent-debian-installer-distribution wheezy --gzip-options '--best --rsyncable' --hostname linaro-debian --initramfs none --linux-flavours none --linux-package |
| 13:21.43 | angs | s none --username linaro --bootstrap-qemu-arch armel --bootstrap-qemu-static /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static" " does each block in "" a separate line or is it possible to execute the whole paste code and execute them at a time? |
| 13:21.55 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, so what is your way? |
| 13:25.05 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, see if FOG project or cobbler is what you need otherwise, you need to recompile apache with the cflags, and good luck with your project |
| 13:25.17 | angs | second "" block starts with --bootstrap, it says "--bootstrap-flavour: command not found" |
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| 13:25.49 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF, thank you. |
| 13:25.51 | angs | what is wrong with it? |
| 13:25.58 | PhoenixSTF | Almtesh, no problem |
| 13:26.04 | Almtesh | PhoenixSTF and stew, you helped me. |
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| 13:27.07 | PhoenixSTF | stew know anything about proftp? |
| 13:27.08 | stew | angs: that appears to be all one command that you run, the "" is part of the command |
| 13:27.36 | stew | PhoenixSTF: I knwo that is a server for a quite outdated protocol that has a bad history of security problems |
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| 13:27.41 | stew | both the protocol and the implementation that is |
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| 13:28.00 | PhoenixSTF | stew, pure ftp then? |
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| 13:28.26 | stew | openssh-server |
| 13:29.14 | PhoenixSTF | stew, can I restrick ssh clients to theyr homes only? |
| 13:29.18 | angs | thank you stew |
| 13:30.14 | stew | PhoenixSTF: sftp clients easily. ssh clients can be but it requires a lot more work and disk space |
| 13:30.33 | PhoenixSTF | ok thanks |
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| 13:34.39 | nsadmin | angs, did you get your image onto the arm thing? |
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| 13:35.49 | tash1 | I could really use some input/help on this. I have a service I launch via an init script. It listens on a specific port on eth0. The thing is, I want to launch this service at boot 3 times ( 3 separate IP addresses, eth0, eth0:1, and eth0:2 ) all on the same port. The first init script runs and the service gets started. The second and third init scripts are either totally ignored or there is an error starting them. If I login to the box and execute the init |
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| 13:36.43 | nsadmin | tash1, you could start them all on the same init script |
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| 13:39.58 | wo0f | anyone here have a rasberry pi? |
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| 13:40.10 | dick-richardson | I am unable to mail myself on a new server. what should i be checking? |
| 13:40.15 | angs | nsadmin: I followed the instruction on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian, there were one partion only(windows file system). Now I am trying to follow the instruction here, http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/TI/BeagleBone but in the third step (prepare debian binary rootfs) . I executed the command that was written but there is no ./config/bootstrap , I don't know what I am doing wrong |
| 13:40.20 | txomon|home | when using netboot, which is the impact of using priority=critical etc? |
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| 13:41.15 | nsadmin | angs, so it's saying a file is not found? |
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| 13:41.38 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, mail server logs? |
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| 13:42.56 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, in fact, can you use tail -f on one of the log files, then try to send mail and see what happens in the log |
| 13:43.08 | tash1 | nsadmin ... never tried that, will look into that |
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| 13:43.41 | dick-richardson | nsadmin I haven't installed one - what is the out-of-the-box default log? |
| 13:43.43 | nsadmin | tash1, one way out of many... figured, since that one is working, you could try |
| 13:44.01 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, try /var/log/mail.log |
| 13:44.10 | tash1 | not even sure how to do that ... each of the files has its own NAME, DAEMON, etc. |
| 13:44.11 | nsadmin | if no joy, try mail.err |
| 13:44.22 | tash1 | So, can you comma separate names and daemons in the init script? |
| 13:44.25 | txomon|home | I found it, it has to do with the number of questions displayed in installation |
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| 13:45.26 | nsadmin | tash1, you mean in the places where it does VAR=something? no, that won't have the effect you want |
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| 13:45.58 | angs2 | nsadmin: sorry I got disconnected. Yes, it says there is no such directory. This is the output of the command that I executed >> |
| 13:46.05 | angs2 | http://pastebin.com/0rg2vcLn |
| 13:46.09 | dick-richardson | nothing through the log and no mail - though mutt does say mail sent |
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| 13:46.15 | nsadmin | that will also break the one that's working now |
| 13:46.24 | tash1 | nsadmin: hmm, not sure how then |
| 13:46.29 | tash1 | sorry, just never done that before |
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| 13:46.51 | angs2 | I am using ubuntu 12.04 as host, is it a problem? I installed linaro-image-tools and live-build. |
| 13:46.57 | tash1 | nsadmin: i will be back in like 20 minutes ... |
| 13:47.07 | nsadmin | does each one of these have that comment section at the top? |
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| 13:48.43 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, hmm. the first thing that suggests is your mail client is not configured to send thru the mail server... this should work out of the box |
| 13:49.04 | nsadmin | if that's not the case, it might be the mail server is misconfigured somehow |
| 13:49.24 | dick-richardson | nsadmin this is the first time it hasnt - and im baffled. |
| 13:50.03 | nsadmin | shortly, I'll need some time to get stuff from store |
| 13:50.12 | dick-richardson | can i reinstall the default mail server? |
| 13:50.25 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, when did it work properly last? |
| 13:50.36 | dick-richardson | on this install - never |
| 13:50.46 | stew | dick-richardson: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
| 13:51.05 | stew | dick-richardson: you should probably be looking at /var/log/exim4/mainlog not /var/log/mail.log |
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| 13:51.20 | stew | dick-richardson: you probably need to "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 13:51.32 | dick-richardson | exim4-daemon-light |
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| 13:51.54 | stew | dick-richardson: then yes, /var/log/exim4/mainlog and "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 13:53.04 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, how long have you had that server? just installed in the last few days? |
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| 13:54.10 | dick-richardson | month or so - log says i have a wrong uid |
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| 13:54.53 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, does it have more detail on that? |
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| 13:57.16 | angs2 | I get the following error http://pastebin.com/0rg2vcLn in the step 3 of Prepare Debian binary rootfs on http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/TI/BeagleBone |
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| 13:57.37 | angs2 | is it because I am using ubuntu? or am I executing the code wrong? |
| 13:57.43 | stew | angs2: it appers that your ubuntu version of live-build doesn't work with these instructions which were assuming you were running debian |
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| 13:58.30 | stew | angs2: or perhaps the instructions are wrong |
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| 13:59.41 | angs2 | do you know if debian.org or any webpage provides prebuild images for specific embedded boards |
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| 14:02.16 | nsadmin | angs2, one possibility, another person who has done it already could still have an image |
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| 14:03.04 | elik | Is it safe to delete what's in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 14:03.22 | angs2 | thank you, I will search on google if I can find any result |
| 14:03.40 | stew | elik: you can just replace it by running "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
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| 14:03.54 | nsadmin | angs2, first person who comes to my mind is the author of that page |
| 14:04.27 | dick-richardson | sorry, on my phone - "2012-06-06 09:01:01 1ScGnF-0003eZ-CS == joshre@debian R=local_user T=mail_spool defer (-6): mailbox /var/mail/joshre has wrong uid (0 != 1000) |
| 14:04.58 | dick-richardson | " #forgot the end quote |
| 14:05.14 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, so, /var/mail/joshre is owned by root... you could chown it as root |
| 14:05.24 | dick-richardson | i want to be 1000 |
| 14:05.43 | angs2 | nsadmin, thank you, it is good idea to find the author |
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| 14:05.55 | nsadmin | right, you want /var/mail/joshre to be owned by 1000 |
| 14:06.11 | dick-richardson | oh - i AM 1000 |
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| 14:06.30 | nsadmin | yes, you are... but the mail file is not owned by you |
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| 14:07.48 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, is the user in queston named joshre? |
| 14:08.07 | dick-richardson | there we go - you guys are brilliant |
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| 14:08.26 | dick-richardson | yes - quick chown and we're off |
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| 14:09.16 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, it was the log file that told us everything... almost feels like cheating :) |
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| 14:09.44 | dick-richardson | exactly - i had no idea where to look |
| 14:10.12 | nsadmin | review the wording of the log entry... make sure you understand exactly what it's saying |
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| 14:13.23 | damacus | , versions wkhtmltopdf |
| 14:13.24 | judd | Package: wkhtmltopdf on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; sid: 0.9.9-4; wheezy: 0.9.9-4 |
| 14:13.59 | nsadmin | dick-richardson, also, tail -f <someLogfileOrOther> is a key debugging technique |
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| 14:14.34 | nsadmin | you can watch the action in the log while you try stuff |
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| 14:17.45 | chaser12 | I've got a question that I feel may have an easy answer |
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| 14:17.56 | chaser12 | I have a debian box that I work in via ssh only |
| 14:18.08 | chaser12 | and it can only resolve IPs and not hostnames |
| 14:18.14 | chaser12 | its driving me nuts |
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| 14:18.28 | nsadmin | look at its /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:18.34 | chaser12 | I cant even access the servers for a system update |
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| 14:19.07 | tash1 | nsadmin: yes, they each have their own comment section |
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| 14:19.30 | chaser12 | my resolve.conf is commented out |
| 14:19.38 | chaser12 | so i need to remove the comment? |
| 14:19.41 | nsadmin | temporary hack: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf (this on't stay forever) |
| 14:20.02 | chaser12 | ok |
| 14:20.09 | nsadmin | just so you can install stuff now |
| 14:20.15 | tash1 | if resolv.conf keeps getting wiped, put this in the interfaces file: dns-nameservers x.x.x.x |
| 14:20.19 | tash1 | i think that's it |
| 14:20.43 | PhoenixSTF | !dpkg webmin |
| 14:20.43 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 14:20.55 | nsadmin | tash1, yes, and the thing that understands those, is package resolvconf |
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| 14:21.21 | PhoenixSTF | !dpkg ispconfig3 |
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| 14:21.50 | chaser12 | so is there not a straight forward way to permanently fix the issue? |
| 14:22.06 | Cottus | i would like to find out why a package does no longer exist, where can i find a history of a package, should i try debian bugs? |
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| 14:22.13 | nsadmin | yes, and, the first step is to find out what the problem is |
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| 14:22.27 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
| 14:22.31 | DelphiWorld | i'm setting up a del server |
| 14:22.31 | nsadmin | the truth is we don't know yet |
| 14:22.35 | DelphiWorld | PowerEdge 2950 |
| 14:22.41 | DelphiWorld | but is asking me for a nonfree firmware |
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| 14:22.45 | DelphiWorld | how do i get that ? |
| 14:23.24 | nsadmin | make sure contrib and non-free are in your sources.list, then try aptituce install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:23.34 | nsadmin | wait that might not be the right name |
| 14:23.43 | nsadmin | , v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:23.44 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.35; wheezy/non-free: 0.35 |
| 14:24.01 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: :P |
| 14:24.07 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: lol |
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| 14:24.13 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: is asking for it during the install |
| 14:24.20 | tash1 | nsadmin: so any ideas on that init script thing? |
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| 14:24.41 | nsadmin | tash1, give me a few mins; need to get to the store |
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| 14:25.08 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld, you installing from the cd? |
| 14:25.14 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: yeah |
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| 14:25.57 | nsadmin | do you have a usb storage thing? if so, there are tarballs of that, just untar it on the stick |
| 14:26.05 | nsadmin | then boot the in staller |
| 14:26.24 | nsadmin | let me see, where would that tarball be |
| 14:26.37 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: please would you give me a direct url of the tarbal? |
| 14:26.41 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: i have the flash |
| 14:27.06 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: also the flash should be ext3?4?fat32? |
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| 14:28.13 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld, probably any of those |
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| 14:28.29 | nsadmin | probably you don't need to reformat it |
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| 14:29.04 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: tarbal please |
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| 14:29.20 | nsadmin | looking, gotta go for awhile after that |
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| 14:38.18 | nsadmin | start here to find firmware zip or tarball: |
| 14:38.29 | nsadmin | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 14:38.52 | nsadmin | and look here: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation |
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| 14:39.55 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: looking |
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| 14:41.35 | nsadmin | good luck, feel free to stick around |
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| 14:42.12 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: http://ftp.cn.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-bnx2_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
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| 14:47.28 | tash1 | nsadmin: when you get back let me know please |
| 14:48.00 | nsadmin | tash1 will do |
| 14:48.11 | tash1 | thanks |
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| 14:51.59 | yang | There seems to be a problem when installing a new mysqld-server instance , trying to stop a non-existing mysqld instance and therefore failing to continue (how to fix?) http://pastebin.ca/2158776 |
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| 15:05.18 | Cooleo | Can anyone help? I want to boot tightvncserver at start up but I can't get it to work. |
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| 15:08.44 | stew | yang: i would run "bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql stop" to see if you can tell why stopping mysql fails |
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| 15:09.44 | yang | ok |
| 15:09.56 | stew | tash1: can you show us the init script that doesn't work? |
| 15:10.24 | stew | tash1: and I suppose the one that does work |
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| 15:12.55 | yang | stew: http://pastebin.com/3f5ZM4KN I do have mysql tables which need to integrate into the new mysqld-server instance, which was removed earlier by some debian dependancie... |
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| 15:18.35 | Mikla | please someone help me, its trivial for you. I cant find where I can download ISO for netinstall for i386 arch. |
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| 15:21.28 | babilen | !tell Mikla -about netinst |
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| 15:23.08 | Mikla | god bless U babilen |
| 15:23.40 | babilen | ugh, err .. if that is necessary. ;) |
| 15:23.52 | tharkun | babilen: did you see my question yesterday? What difference in behaviour can i get with the ~/.ssh/config file you kindly posted and a special purpose key i was planning on using? |
| 15:24.02 | tharkun | babilen: Anyway good evening |
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| 15:24.44 | DelphiWorld | greating to babilen |
| 15:24.51 | DelphiWorld | and abrotman |
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| 15:25.05 | tash1 | stew: yeah, I can do that...I'm going to mask out some of the var names, b/c they have our company name etc in them |
| 15:25.07 | tash1 | but sure |
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| 15:25.23 | babilen | tharkun: Oh, sorry. I must have missed that. What do you mean by "special purpose key" ? I primarily use that config with kerberos authentication (kinit) and "GSSAPIAuthentication yes\nGSSAPIDelegateCredentials yes" -- I would, however, recommend to forbid password based logins and use keys with passphrases. |
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| 15:25.49 | babilen | tharkun: You can handle the passphrases with ssh-agent on the client machines (so users don't have to enter their passphrases over and over again) |
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| 15:27.05 | abrotman | DelTree: hi |
| 15:27.14 | abrotman | uhm .. delphiheleft ... |
| 15:27.30 | tharkun | babilen: Let me google something about the special purpose key so it is better written than my poor english |
| 15:28.07 | babilen | tharkun: Sure -- but I am most likely not able to give you more advice than I have already given you :) |
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| 15:28.16 | yang | wakes up stew |
| 15:28.35 | tash1 | stew: here is the one that works http://pastebin.com/bhyeBWU2 |
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| 15:29.05 | tash1 | stew: the ones that do not work are literally the same but with ourcompany-service-name2 and ourcompany-service-name3 respectively |
| 15:29.43 | tash1 | and in /etc/rc2.d I've set them as S01, S02, S03 ... I've tried S01, S01, S01 ... have also tried like S99, S99, S99 ... or S20, S30, S40 ... no matter what, only the first one gets started |
| 15:29.48 | tharkun | babilen: As allways a gentleman. Thanks for your time and effort. (/me takes notes about the kerberos stuff for future reference |
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| 15:31.51 | babilen | tharkun: The kerberos stuff is quite some work to setup and I am only used to it because we (@uni) had to configure it in order to support AFS setups that integrate well with other educational institutions. Depending on your setup you don't necessarily want to complicate things too much with LDAP, kerberos, ... |
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| 15:32.13 | tharkun | babilen: http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/sshfwd/ search for command= and that will take you to the special purpose key this particular author is using. |
| 15:32.49 | yang | http://pastebin.com/3f5ZM4KN I do have mysql tables which need to integrate into the new mysqld-server instance, which was removed earlier by some debian dependancy... |
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| 15:33.09 | tharkun | babilen: I'm getting rid of AD so LDAP is a must and Kerberos is the cherry on the pie. Although it is not one of my top most priorities. Sometime in the future i will eventually need to do it |
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| 15:33.46 | babilen | tharkun: Without having read that in detail: I don't like that approach. I think the "ProxyCommand" + -W approach is much cleaner -- You only need to make sure that you don't have to authenticate at every hop. (keys + passphrases + ssh-agent take care of that) |
| 15:34.32 | tharkun | Ok, thanks for your advice I will have an eye open for that. |
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| 15:36.55 | stew | tash1: can yhou show me one that isn't working? |
| 15:37.32 | yang | stew: can you analyze my pastebin ? |
| 15:38.07 | Nik05 | hey guys i just got an update of initramfs |
| 15:38.24 | Nik05 | and when updating i got an error when update-initramfs -u was executed |
| 15:38.32 | stew | yang: so it thinks mysql is running but stop isnt' stopping it. is it actually running? |
| 15:38.39 | Nik05 | Error: missing parameter. See -h |
| 15:38.47 | babilen | tharkun: But let me clarify: Do you want to SSH into other machines are do you want to setup tunnels? I would argue that the latter is better done with a VPN whereas the former is done with the approach that I outlines earlier. |
| 15:39.08 | Nik05 | can that be a problem?:P |
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| 15:39.55 | yang | stew: no, I am running aptitude dist-upgrade, there is no mysql-server instance installey yet its in "iF" mode |
| 15:40.02 | tharkun | babilen: Actually i only need an ssh tunnel from the ssh gateway to the matching server. The rest of the services offered there are properly secured |
| 15:40.17 | stew | yang: what is process 4795 ? |
| 15:40.52 | stew | yang: it thinks that mysql is running because the pid file says that 4795 is the pid of the running mysql and there seems to actually be such a process |
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| 15:44.41 | yang | mysql 4795 0.0 1.6 324256 32676 ? Sl 16:22 0:03 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --plugin-dir=/usr/lib/mysql/plugin --user=mysql --pid-file=/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock --port=3306 |
| 15:44.45 | yang | root 11937 0.0 0.0 3464 784 pts/20 S+ 17:40 0:00 grep 4795 |
| 15:44.49 | yang | it must of been left from the configure script |
| 15:45.01 | stew | no, this is from the version you are upgrading from |
| 15:45.05 | yang | yes |
| 15:45.13 | babilen | tharkun: In that case: Just make sure you can ssh from "A → B → C" by running "ssh B" on A and then "ssh C" on B ... Once that works you can automate the "hop" in there with my config. /me would base authentication on keys+passphrases. |
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| 15:45.36 | yang | so I should actually /etc/init.d/mysql stop it ? |
| 15:45.49 | stew | yang: it is trying to shut it down by talking to it on /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, but it is actually listening on /run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 15:46.04 | stew | yang: that is the thing that is failing |
| 15:46.29 | yang | so, how should I proceed...I want the new installation to preserve my old tables.. |
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| 15:47.28 | tharkun | babilen: totally agree with that I'm testing both setups and I will report back if i find a significant difference. (/me doubts there will be) |
| 15:47.29 | babilen | tharkun: If you google/read about those multi-hop setup you will most likely find approaches that utilise netcat (nc) on the intermediate hops. That was suboptimal for a number of reasons (nc needs to be installed/compatible, sessions remain open, ...). "Newer" ssh versions support the hopping out-of-the box. (-W option) |
| 15:47.39 | tash1 | stew: yep, one sec |
| 15:47.44 | stew | yang: mysqladmin --defaults-file /etc/mysql/debian.cnf --socket=/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 15:48.00 | no_al_nonnismo | hi |
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| 15:48.07 | stew | yang: err, that should probably be --defaults-file= |
| 15:48.25 | babilen | tharkun: What I dislike about the other approach is primarily that it involves untested code and quite some setup. I don't want to say that it might not be a working/secure setup, but I am immediately suspicious when it comes to SSH+something_i_wrote |
| 15:48.28 | stew | yang: mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf --socket=/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock shutdown |
| 15:49.16 | no_al_nonnismo | i remember there was an application on debian repos to convert .mobi files. anyone know its name? |
| 15:49.16 | yang | stew: ok that worked, now I should just "aptitude dist-upgrade" to fix the issue ? |
| 15:49.36 | stew | yang: dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:49.50 | tharkun | babilen: I see your point. Debugging a config file has lots of man pages to support it while new code has none. |
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| 15:50.23 | yang | also "makedev" seems to be failing , I will file the bug report, any idea how to "revert" the "reportbug" issue, it was earlier saved to a file, because the SMTP was timing out on Debian |
| 15:50.25 | babilen | tharkun: Well -- I also happen to trust OpenSSH's upstream whereas I don't trust "random page on the internet" |
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| 15:50.40 | stew | yang: its just an email to send |
| 15:50.43 | stew | yang: just send it |
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| 15:50.47 | yang | well |
| 15:50.49 | yang | I cant send it |
| 15:50.54 | yang | I have no MTA |
| 15:51.04 | stew | then you can't report the bug |
| 15:51.12 | Sevet | no_al_nonnismo: quick google search suggests calibre |
| 15:51.15 | yang | yes you can contact the DEbian's SMTP |
| 15:51.16 | stew | as sending email is the only way to report bugs |
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| 15:51.54 | babilen | tharkun: The active waiting "idle" script is also far from elegant -- But I'll stop reading that as I am quite happy with my solution. (i.e. the one supported by SSH out-of-the-box) |
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| 15:51.57 | tharkun | babilen: hmm, Your are right. Google search is not the best source for setting up a security sensible service when there is excellent documentation from upstream. And the page i posted was a google example of what I initially planned on doing |
| 15:51.59 | no_al_nonnismo | Sevet: yeah, it's that . thanks |
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| 15:52.29 | tash1 | stew: here is one that doesn't work http://pastebin.com/f4XKG8Au ... mind you, it works when I execute manually |
| 15:52.32 | tash1 | just not during startup |
| 15:52.49 | babilen | tharkun: But take it to #openssh -- They can probably give much more reasonable advice that is not only based on "gut-feeling" + "educated guesses" as is mine ;) |
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| 15:53.09 | tharkun | babilen: thanks for all your comments. They were extremely helpfull and close that page before you ban me from #debian |
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| 15:53.18 | tharkun | :) |
| 15:53.38 | babilen | hehe |
| 15:53.52 | yang | stew: now after dpkg --configure -a http://pastebin.com/dnMtFC8B |
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| 15:56.00 | yang | and http://pastebin.com/6dGrkdtD |
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| 16:06.30 | stew | yang: it seems like the problem is probably just that your /etc/mysql/my.cnf and /etc/mysql/debian.cnf don't agree on where the socket is located |
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| 16:08.00 | yang | stew: /etc/mysql/my.cnf was newly added by the new installation script, so I will just put the old one there again ? |
| 16:08.24 | yang | and maybe just keep the old one then when the new configure script asks me to replace with new one |
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| 16:09.15 | nsadmin | yang, keep a copy of the new one, just in case |
| 16:09.23 | yang | yes |
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| 16:14.47 | yang | the previous one has probably been renamed into /etc/mysql/my.cnf.dpkg-old |
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| 16:16.52 | stew | yang: is /var/run not a symlink to /run for you? |
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| 16:17.40 | yang | nope |
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| 16:18.06 | stew | yang: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:18.10 | yang | heh |
| 16:18.22 | tash1 | stew: did you see my script that isn't working at startup?/ |
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| 16:18.28 | yang | its an ancient Debian, which is virtualised inside linux-vserver |
| 16:18.41 | stew | yang: an ancient debian with mysql 5.5? |
| 16:19.04 | yang | i mean i have installed it maybe with sarge, but run through several upgrades until wheezy |
| 16:19.20 | stew | yang: what version of base-files is installed |
| 16:19.21 | stew | tash1: yes |
| 16:19.55 | yang | 6.9 |
| 16:19.55 | stew | tash1: are you using dependency based boot? |
| 16:20.33 | tash1 | stew: i'm not sure how to answer that =\ |
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| 16:20.50 | tash1 | nsadmin: welcome back |
| 16:20.54 | nsadmin | tash1, back... I'm also working on the # section of an init.d script; I might reboot my gw soon to test it |
| 16:20.57 | stew | tash1: when base-files was configured it should have made /var/run a symlink to /run, did you undo that? |
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| 16:21.50 | tash1 | stew: i have not touched /var/run anything |
| 16:21.59 | tash1 | so the answer is no to the best of my knowledge |
| 16:22.00 | ekur | hey what is the default wheezy apt-source ? |
| 16:22.05 | stew | tash1: sory, that was meant for tang |
| 16:22.07 | ekur | just installed from CD |
| 16:22.10 | stew | ekur: there isn't one |
| 16:22.27 | stew | tang: when base-files was configured it should have made /var/run a symlink to /run, did you undo that? |
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| 16:22.35 | stew | ekur: you can perhaps look at /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 16:22.49 | ekur | alright; i put ftp://ftp.debian.org/ wheezy main - but 404 error |
| 16:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | ekur: The ftp servers have been shut down for ages. |
| 16:23.19 | Sevet | try http://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 16:23.37 | ekur | that also 404's |
| 16:23.44 | ekur | but thanks for the update :) |
| 16:23.45 | stew | ftp servers still work, people hsould not be using ftp.debian.org directly thoujgh |
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| 16:23.55 | yang | stew: thanks man |
| 16:23.55 | stew | ekur: what country are you in |
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| 16:24.03 | yang | Now just getting ERROR 126 (HY000) at line 1: Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_3ef8_0.MYI'; try to repair it |
| 16:24.07 | Sevet | ekur: 'deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main'? |
| 16:24.08 | yang | but its an old error |
| 16:24.14 | craigevil | loves netselect-apt |
| 16:24.34 | nsadmin | ekur, ftp.debian.org is special... why not try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:24.54 | Sevet | yang: that's creating a temporary table... might be from running out of space |
| 16:25.10 | yang | Sevet: I have space on the drive |
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| 16:25.48 | Sevet | yang: it's a temporary file that won't exist anymore, and you said it was an old error though |
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| 16:27.45 | MO_Handes | best notepad-like editor for coders? (gedit does not do the tabbing and ... well) |
| 16:27.54 | ekur | geany MO_Handes |
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| 16:28.00 | tash1 | stew: np |
| 16:28.01 | K1rk | MO_Handes, gedit is my preference. |
| 16:28.03 | tash1 | nsadmin: cool |
| 16:28.09 | ekur | nsadmin; do you have one in europe? |
| 16:28.12 | tash1 | on the init.d script thing you are testing |
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| 16:29.08 | stew | ekur: nl or de or uk or es |
| 16:29.11 | nsadmin | sure, and there's a list :) |
| 16:29.18 | stew | or it or fr... |
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| 16:29.55 | ekur | ah kk :) i think there's a pattern in there somewhere |
| 16:29.56 | ekur | thanks stew |
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| 16:30.05 | nsadmin | ekur, should be deb http://ftp.(cc).debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 16:30.23 | nsadmin | don't forget the /debian part |
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| 16:30.46 | craigevil | MO_Handes, gvim, cream, geany, kate,jedit |
| 16:30.52 | ekur | nsadmin; thanks, that was going to be my next question |
| 16:31.06 | ekur | this should be on the debian site somewhere; it isnt.. |
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| 16:31.38 | stew | ekur: it is |
| 16:31.52 | ekur | ah ive been searching it but.. |
| 16:31.56 | nsadmin | ekur, cool :) well it is somewhere... in the form of a list of all of them |
| 16:32.05 | stew | ekur: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list is a list of mirrors |
| 16:32.07 | ekur | you get like http.example.com/debian .. literally |
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| 16:33.02 | nsadmin | yes, because not necessarily all mirrors will be in /debian on the server in question |
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| 16:34.40 | eXpl0it3r | I've just setup a new debian box and now I'm trying to install sabnzbd+, I get it with a .deb file and add it to the packet manager, but it fails to install because my system is using python 2.6.6-3+squeeze7 and sab depends on >= 2.6.6-7~ |
| 16:34.45 | eXpl0it3r | how would I fix this? |
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| 16:35.02 | eXpl0it3r | I mean I've installed python3.1 but it didn't help |
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| 16:36.07 | stew | eXpl0it3r: recompile the package |
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| 16:36.07 | ekur | should it be ftp.de.debian.org/debian/amd64/ main contrib ? |
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| 16:36.29 | stew | ekur: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 16:36.35 | stew | ekur: or ftp:// if you must |
| 16:36.43 | nsadmin | eXpl0it3r, you can /msg judd to have it qquery the udd for you, like this: /msg judd versions sabnzbd |
| 16:36.53 | MO_Handes | in there any linux software reviews available? top 10 of editors, top 10 of ides, top 10 of browsers, et |
| 16:37.27 | stew | eXpl0it3r: but you should just be able to "aptitude install sabnzbdplus" and have it work. where did you get this .deb file/? |
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| 16:38.39 | ekur | thanks stew, i got that . Still 404 tho |
| 16:39.04 | stew | ekur: show us the exact error |
| 16:39.13 | ekur | debian .org works! |
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| 16:39.16 | ekur | strike that |
| 16:39.23 | ekur | just security.debian.org |
| 16:39.48 | eXpl0it3r | stew: apt-get install couldn't find sabnzbdplus and I got it from ftp.de.debian.org - aptitude found it, thx |
| 16:39.50 | stew | ekur: "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" |
| 16:40.13 | stew | ekur: apt-get and aptitude look in the same place. whatever one can find, the other can find |
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| 16:40.16 | stew | eXpl0it3r: ^^ |
| 16:40.33 | stew | ekur: (sorry, that second one wasn't for you) |
| 16:40.35 | ekur | thanks stew. I commented security out and will just use the debian.org wheezy repo |
| 16:40.42 | ekur | I can discern. |
| 16:40.44 | ekur | :) |
| 16:40.55 | stew | there are no security packages for wheezy yet anyway |
| 16:41.01 | eXpl0it3r | oh wait no, it didn't find it, it just removed some other libraries -.- |
| 16:41.18 | stew | eXpl0it3r: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 16:41.19 | ekur | yeah i figured whatever is in security also ends up in wheezy |
| 16:41.29 | stew | ekur: no, it doesn't |
| 16:41.38 | ekur | Btw, i installed without a GDM -- what meta-package do i install to get .. autoboot into KDE ? |
| 16:41.40 | stew | ekur: wheezy doesn't get security updates at all (yet) |
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| 16:41.51 | stew | ekur: "kde" |
| 16:41.56 | ekur | alright; i intend to switch to testing eventually anyway |
| 16:42.05 | stew | ekur: eventually? |
| 16:42.11 | eXpl0it3r | http://pastebin.com/9vKZ16HT |
| 16:42.13 | stew | ekur: it seems that you already did |
| 16:42.13 | ekur | by the time wheezy gets frozen |
| 16:42.24 | stew | ekur: realize that wheezy IS testing |
| 16:42.33 | ekur | yes |
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| 16:43.00 | stew | eXpl0it3r: its in contrib, not in main. edit the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and where it says "main" change it to "main contrib" |
| 16:43.31 | ekur | package 'kde' has no installation candidate |
| 16:43.43 | ekur | Q_Q |
| 16:43.50 | themill | dpkg: tell ekur about install kde |
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| 16:44.13 | stew | ekur: (and when wheezy is frozen, it will still be testing, "switch to testing" will be a noop) |
| 16:44.27 | eXpl0it3r | stew: thanks alot |
| 16:44.36 | ekur | oh ok |
| 16:44.46 | themill | that "kde" package was going to be retired in squeeze but was kept for an upgrade path to squeeze only |
| 16:45.04 | ekur | ok |
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| 16:45.45 | ekur | kde-plasma sounds swell |
| 16:46.35 | themill | that wasn't one of the options dpkg told you about though |
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| 16:48.15 | confusid | How would I go about creating a free shell account server and have it duplicate it's self to another machine as a backup but fully running? |
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| 16:48.37 | linduxed | is anyone here familiar with what the security of mosh is like? |
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| 16:49.33 | linduxed | i'm thinking of including it on my server, but since (from what i've read) the security system of mosh isn't the same as the one of SSH (it's something the researchers have rolled on their own) i'm a bit worried |
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| 16:49.51 | jamesd_ | confusid, you use vmware esxi, or perhaps put the shell server on kvm and ZFS and snapshot it and move careful not to have both nodes up at the same moment or it blows up... same ip up pisses off networking |
| 16:49.59 | ekur | dpkg: tell ekur about install gnome |
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| 16:50.43 | stew | ekur: (you can "/msg dpkg install gnome" and not clutter the channel) :) |
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| 16:51.31 | stew | if you do the duplication correctly, as soon as one of your users compromizes the one box, he will have automatically compromised both boxes! |
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| 16:52.43 | jamesd_ | stew, or with ZFS you can rollback to an earlier version... but kill your users work. since then |
| 16:53.01 | jamesd_ | ro autohome and keep there data... |
| 16:53.05 | jamesd_ | er or |
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| 16:54.46 | confusid | jamesd_: thank you.. never thought about using a vm for a fast backup/restore if it goes bonkers.. |
| 16:54.57 | confusid | why zfs? |
| 16:55.16 | jamesd_ | confusid, copy on write.. quick snapshot, clone and rollbacks |
| 16:55.39 | confusid | jamesd_: ty! |
| 16:55.47 | jamesd_ | i can clone my filesystem/guest every minute or 5 minutes if i want too |
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| 16:56.16 | jamesd_ | er snapshot not clone in this case |
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| 16:57.35 | ekur | Installing KDE now; thanks stew + nsadmin |
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| 16:58.05 | eXpl0it3r | how do I install unrar? |
| 16:58.34 | nsadmin | try aptitude install unrar |
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| 16:58.53 | nsadmin | or if you have non-free enabled you can try aptitude install rar |
| 16:59.29 | nsadmin | eXpl0it3r, judging by your nick you probably want non-free |
| 16:59.33 | eXpl0it3r | you need to enable non-free otherwise unrar won't be found |
| 16:59.35 | eXpl0it3r | yep |
| 16:59.42 | eXpl0it3r | lol |
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| 17:00.10 | nsadmin | rbrooks, wb |
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| 17:01.59 | Ormu | hello |
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| 17:02.20 | jagginess | hi |
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| 17:04.04 | angs | I am using netinstall to load debian image to my embedded board and follow the instruction here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Debian_NetInstall . I did sudo ./mk_mmc.sh --mmc /dev/sdX --uboot bone --distro squeeze then SD card had one partition, I plugged the SD card into the board and boot it. I am connected to the board through the usb-to serial port. I could not find out how to connect the board through the serial port, is there any command or an |
| 17:04.04 | angs | y mean that you can suggest me to do? |
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| 17:05.16 | benji__ | Hi, I have a stupid problem, I need to check if the port 7070 is open and I use "netstat -an | grep '7070'" , but how can I exclude the port 17070, 27070 etc ? |
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| 17:08.08 | PhoenixSTF | Hello I have a problem with apache, it doenst seem to include more than 1 subfolder depth |
| 17:08.18 | nsadmin | benji__, grep should have word/nonword zero-width assertion chars |
| 17:08.19 | PhoenixSTF | include php that is |
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| 17:11.07 | benji__ | nsadmin, hmmm -w may be what you are talking about , wonderful, many thanks |
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| 17:14.40 | jagginess | benji__, huh? |
| 17:14.42 | nsadmin | benji__, ahh, sure, that's telling grep to look for a word... I'm just saying there are word/not-word chars you can use in the expression |
| 17:14.55 | jagginess | benji__, you mean netstat -plutn|grep 7070 ? |
| 17:15.03 | heyward | Hello, I'm running a local debian web server and noticed that the logs show a number of dos/ack scans occurring recently. The strange thing is that the ip they're coming from is either facebook isp or microsoft redmond isp, These aren't bing bots either, I get those too. Can anyone explain why I get so many attacks from those particular isps? |
| 17:15.23 | jagginess | heyward, robot scanners |
| 17:16.00 | jagginess | heyward, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler |
| 17:16.01 | heyward | what do they scan for? |
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| 17:16.44 | jagginess | heyward, i think robots.txt or something like it, and if its not there the norm is some default like scan an index (not exactly sure of the algorithm, i guess it can differ) |
| 17:16.52 | heyward | I've written tons of web crawlers, these are dos attacks and ack scans. |
| 17:17.32 | jagginess | heyward, what do you mean by ton? |
| 17:17.47 | jagginess | heyward, i believe the agent-string would show up in the log.. |
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| 17:19.16 | benji__ | jagginess, I want to match only the exact port 7070, your suggestion also matches 17070 |
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| 17:19.29 | stew | benji__: grep '\b7070\b' |
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| 17:19.57 | benji__ | stew, better than grep -w ? |
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| 17:20.24 | stew | benji__: the same |
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| 17:21.07 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:21.50 | ratatata | nu |
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| 17:22.44 | jeward | Say, I've compiled screen from debian source the debian way, but the binary keeps getting overwritten when I do updates. How do I prevent that from happening? |
| 17:22.48 | jagginess | benji__, if you're scripting something, it's easier to test for the existance of a .pid file somewhere in /var/run |
| 17:23.07 | stew | jeward: did you change the version number? |
| 17:23.21 | jeward | stew: No? |
| 17:23.27 | jamesd_ | jeward, put your version outside if /usr/bin ... popular choices are /usr/local or /opt |
| 17:23.31 | jeward | stew: Is that the right way to do it? |
| 17:23.50 | stew | jeward: yes, otherwisse apt doesn't know that it's not okay to write one version over with the same version |
| 17:23.58 | stew | jeward: and then you may consider putting your version on hold |
| 17:24.12 | jeward | stew: aptitude hold screen? |
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| 17:24.31 | stew | jeward: yes. "dch --nmu" from devscripts will help you write a new changelog entry, which is what you need to create a new version of your package |
| 17:24.47 | stew | jeward: if you are recompiling 1.0-1 you might make the version 1.0-1+jewardchanges or something |
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| 17:25.58 | jeward | stew: Okay, I reinstalled and put it on hold. Hopefully that'll do the trick! Thanks! |
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| 17:26.16 | stew | jeward: you cahnged the version number and recompiled? |
| 17:26.42 | jeward | stew: I didn't change the version number, will it get opverwritten again even on hold? |
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| 17:27.16 | stew | i think it might. if this is not exactly the same as the version in debian, you should tell apt by giving it a new version number |
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| 17:27.31 | jeward | stew: Okaies, thanks! :-) |
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| 17:29.57 | tash1 | nsadmin: just got back, did I miss anything regarding the init script thing? |
| 17:30.04 | tash1 | stew: same to you? did you see anything wrong? |
| 17:31.10 | nsadmin | tash1, one way to do this, is to have the three services start when start on that one script is fired, stop when stopped, etc |
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| 17:31.44 | nsadmin | another, see what happens if you run insserv |
| 17:31.50 | stew | tash1: you don't declared Required-Start / Required-Stop on $local_fs $remote_fs $network, |
| 17:32.02 | stew | tash1: are you using dependency based boot? |
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| 17:33.10 | nsadmin | stew, when you do that, is the current script supposed to wait until $local_fs, $remote_fs and $network are started? |
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| 17:33.54 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:34.20 | stew | tash1: when you do start these, I would verify that the .pid files get created and are contianing sane values |
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| 17:34.40 | stew | tash1: check what is in the pid files when it fails to start automatically, compare what happens when you start manually |
| 17:35.08 | tash1 | k |
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| 17:35.48 | nsadmin | ahh... so, mine is misbehaving then... my script is not waiting for $network (which is three interfaces) to be set up |
| 17:36.12 | tash1 | i don't know if i'm using dependency based boot, i would assume not unless if it some kind of default |
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| 17:36.49 | stew | tash1: it is the default |
| 17:36.53 | nsadmin | if you have that commented section, that's the info for dependency-based boot |
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| 17:38.56 | tash1 | oh, gotcha, than yeah |
| 17:39.16 | nsadmin | I'm restarting my gw, will probably tear down all my connections |
| 17:39.33 | tash1 | not sure what you want me to check regarding pids, but after boon, there is only 1 .pid for the service and viewing it shows the PID that I see when I ps auxf | grep servicename |
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| 17:39.47 | tash1 | when I start the other 2 manually, they show up in /var/run as well |
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| 17:41.37 | stew | tash1: when you boot, does "Starting $DESCRIPTION" get printed? |
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| 17:41.43 | nsadmin | tash1, and, did that also start the other two services? |
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| 17:49.10 | qdb | (i tweeted) flash dont work, browsers freeze, after update [of flash] crash, in #debian squeeze. #adobeflash #flashplayer adobe flash player plugin |
| 17:49.38 | ahwan | any 1 thr??? any female?? 4 frndship..? |
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| 17:50.17 | stew | ahwan: ... wrong channel. if you are looking for social chat, you can perhaps try #defocus |
| 17:50.18 | ompaul | ahwan: this is not that kind of channel, please see http://www.debian.org we provide support for that operating system |
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| 17:51.06 | ahwan | sorry |
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| 17:54.39 | jhutchins_lt | qdb: You will get better responses if you post your questions in English. |
| 17:55.13 | nsadmin | complete sentences too... one per idea |
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| 17:55.59 | stew | i didn't take it as a question. I took it as a statement of the obvious |
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| 17:57.00 | qdb | flash don't work in debian squeeze, browsers (iceweasel and epiphany) freezed, then i updated flash, then browsers began to crash. (i updated also packages but was nothing new) |
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| 17:57.24 | qdb | also i restarted comp |
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| 17:58.04 | solstis | please, recommend an audio player |
| 17:58.29 | stew | solstis: you'll have to give us more information about what you are looking for |
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| 18:00.46 | solstis | i'm running wheezy on xfce, |
| 18:01.02 | solstis | i'm with a previous foobar experience while i was running windows |
| 18:01.11 | solstis | but i do not require advanced features |
| 18:02.01 | solstis | ideally it should be light, with playlist-, equilizer- support |
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| 18:02.20 | tash1 | stew: should I check in syslog for "Starting $DESCRIPTION" ... or do I need console to see it? |
| 18:02.31 | tash1 | nsadmin: did what start the other 2 |
| 18:02.33 | tash1 | ? |
| 18:02.38 | solstis | foobar on wine just does not seem to behave properly |
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| 18:03.22 | stew | tash1: i don't know if perhaps bootlog would see if if you have enabled that |
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| 18:04.24 | cedr | What's a larger package in debian? (>100MB) |
| 18:04.33 | PjotrOrial | texlive-full |
| 18:04.46 | cedr | thanks |
| 18:04.47 | streuner__ | cedr: prolly some o the DE's |
| 18:04.53 | streuner__ | of* |
| 18:05.25 | PjotrOrial | actually texlive-full is a meta package so itself is rather small, but has a bunch of deps |
| 18:06.06 | PjotrOrial | Where would I start reading about reporting bugs? I would like to confirm this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669878 |
| 18:06.06 | streuner__ | cedr: gnome or kde are meta-packages too, why do you ask, btw? |
| 18:06.31 | cedr | just testing out some mirrors |
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| 18:07.27 | streuner__ | cedr: if you care about bandwidth, take a look at apt-spy |
| 18:07.36 | cedr | ah, thanks |
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| 18:08.59 | tash1 | stew: I got console, and yes, it does say Starting ServiceName |
| 18:09.13 | tash1 | I only see it say it for the one that suceeded |
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| 18:09.46 | tash1 | it enteres runlevel 2 and starts up a bunch of stuff |
| 18:09.52 | tash1 | it's like it isn't even reading those others |
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| 18:12.34 | Ormu | i just installed squeeze without x.. this computer has 256MB of RAM and free -m shows 135MB used, 113MB left |
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| 18:13.04 | stew | Ormu: how did you calculate how much is left? |
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| 18:15.42 | Ormu | stew: http://pastebin.com/rnwsvvJ9 |
| 18:16.07 | Ormu | i logged a user out so usage dropped |
| 18:16.17 | stew | Ormu: ok, anyway, what is your question? |
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| 18:17.34 | stew | I assume this machine hasn't been booted up very long, and that would explain why there is so much free ram. that will go down as more files are read into disk cache |
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| 18:17.53 | Ormu | 135MB sounds quite a much for me.. i'll use that computer to run a program that may need about 160MB of free memory, and if possible, I'll have more than one user |
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| 18:18.21 | tash1 | stew: did you see my response? I do see Strarting $DESCRIPTION on boot |
| 18:18.23 | stew | Ormu: where in this output was the 135MB number? |
| 18:18.55 | lasers` | Quick hilight, please. |
| 18:19.02 | stew | Ormu: you understand what the "cached" column is? |
| 18:20.15 | aleminio | hey guys, I'm using linux for the first time and trying to understand a few things. Now I'm trying to install an executable sh file but i can't choose a folder in the file-system because it's read-only. in order to be able to install it, do i just have to mount the specific folder where i'm interested installing it? |
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| 18:20.43 | lasers` | aleminio: What are you trying to instal? |
| 18:21.13 | tash1 | aleminio: depending on what it is, you should probably use apt-get or aptitude |
| 18:22.19 | aleminio | at /opt |
| 18:22.20 | Ormu | stew: 135MB was when i had another used logged in, and hm.. i'm not sure :D |
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| 18:22.35 | aleminio | because right now i only have an option to install in home folder |
| 18:22.36 | stew | Ormu: see http://linuxatemyram.com |
| 18:22.48 | Ormu | but i guess "cached" refers to memory that can be freed anytime |
| 18:22.54 | stew | Ormu: yes |
| 18:23.15 | stew | Ormu: so when you look at output from "free", the -/+ buffers/cache is the one you should be more concerned with |
| 18:23.29 | aleminio | tash1, it's the netbeans IDE, just following the instructions on their website |
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| 18:24.13 | tash1 | aleminio? was it a tar.gz to begin with? a .deb? or did they literally have you download a .sh file? |
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| 18:25.29 | lasers` | aleminio: /home/$USER is your home directory -- The only directory that you can save anything on it. Everything outside of it requires an administration. If it's a .sh file, it might be an installer script that would obtain stuffs (and install it to /opt or not). |
| 18:25.32 | aleminio | downloaded an sh file, ran chmod +x on it and now i just have a regular gui installer |
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| 18:25.54 | jagginess | aleminio, you um have a mountpoint set to read-only. You can't write to this mountpoint |
| 18:26.24 | aleminio | so even as an admin i can only install things on in home folder? |
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| 18:26.28 | stew | tash1: i dunno, i suppose add more debugging to the script. check the return value of start-stop-daemon. maybe echo the contents of the pidfile ater starting start-stop-daemon |
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| 18:26.33 | aleminio | in my* |
| 18:26.33 | lasers` | aleminio: No. |
| 18:26.50 | stew | aleminio: what do you mean by "as an admin"? |
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| 18:26.52 | lasers` | aleminio: Run the script. What is the exact problem? It does not install stuffs? |
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| 18:27.22 | jagginess | lasers`, he's trying to save to a read-only mountpoint (well thats what he says, but he may be technically inaccurate) |
| 18:27.44 | lasers` | jagginess: I think he's trying to move it to /opt but he does not know how. |
| 18:27.48 | aleminio | well, the installer says i can't install to /opt because it's read-only |
| 18:27.53 | aleminio | i can only install to my home folder |
| 18:28.00 | johnfg_ | check /set autlog_path |
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| 18:28.32 | nsadmin | aleminio, you'd have to run the "make install" as root |
| 18:28.36 | nsadmin | for /opt |
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| 18:29.13 | Sir_Leto | Can someone help me? My nas can't connect to anything outside the local network, but everything outside the local network can connect to it. It just stopped working yesterday |
| 18:29.25 | lasers` | aleminio: Try "sudo ./script.sh" |
| 18:29.33 | stew | aleminio: /opt would be owned by root:root by default. you might consider making that root:staff and chmod 2775 to have it match /usr/local |
| 18:29.47 | stew | aleminio: then users in the staff group can write into opt |
| 18:30.02 | stew | aleminio: this is a far safer thing than "download random script from the internet and run it as root" |
| 18:30.04 | Sir_Leto | Does anyone have an idea about what could be wrong? It's obviously port forwarded |
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| 18:30.39 | aleminio | ok guys, i'll follow those instructions, guess will learn with experience.... |
| 18:30.42 | aleminio | thanks |
| 18:30.56 | Ormu | stew: so in this case http://pastebin.com/rnwsvvJ9 there's actually... 18MB in "real" use? |
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| 18:31.20 | stew | Ormu: yes, the 23 in cached can be instantly used for otehr stuff |
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| 18:32.32 | Ormu | ok, thanks :D |
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| 18:36.29 | ws2k3 | where are the files of mysql located ? |
| 18:36.31 | ws2k3 | the tables etc ? |
| 18:36.49 | stew | ws2k3: /var/lib/mysql |
| 18:37.37 | oo_miguel | How can I determine the minimal requirements for a kernel that will run on my Acer 1810TZ notebook. I started with make allnoconfig, and enabled a few things, however I end up with some kernel panic : no init found :( |
| 18:37.52 | ws2k3 | because yesterday my mysql servers crached |
| 18:37.53 | oo_miguel | I am trying to find out since 2 days what I might be missing |
| 18:37.54 | oo_miguel | any ideas? |
| 18:37.55 | ws2k3 | and now one table is gone |
| 18:38.04 | ws2k3 | MySQL retourneerde: Documentatie |
| 18:38.04 | ws2k3 | #144 - Table './fgh/users' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed |
| 18:38.53 | stew | oo_miguel: make sure that root volume you specify on the command line is really the one that contains /sbin/init |
| 18:38.54 | jagginess | oo_miguel, minimal requirement is months of studying hardware.. (and practice compiling all kinds of things before trying to understand how to compile fully a kernel) |
| 18:39.26 | stew | oo_miguel: what is your motivation anyway? debian provides kernels for you just for you to be able to avoid this effort |
| 18:39.33 | mikhas | What's the recommended way to get proper debian packaging for software? I doubt I could get it done correctly mself. |
| 18:39.46 | stew | ws2k3: did you try repairing the table by hand? |
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| 18:39.57 | mikhas | (Although I have done some debian packaging, just never for debian proper.) |
| 18:40.28 | stew | mikhas: have you read the new maintainer's guide? |
| 18:40.38 | oo_miguel | stew: I want a faster kenel and I want to improve my understanding of how it wokrs |
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| 18:40.58 | stew | oo_miguel: what are you changing to make it faster? |
| 18:41.09 | mikhas | I only remember a very long version of the maintainer guide that I read a while ago, so if you say "new", then I probably guess "no, I haven't". |
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| 18:41.39 | stew | mikhas: its not new as in "here is a new document", its new as in "ah, i see you are new at this" |
| 18:41.47 | oo_miguel | I make it smaller, without loadable modules and initramfs |
| 18:41.54 | mikhas | ah :-) |
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| 18:41.57 | oo_miguel | will this not result in a faster kernel? |
| 18:42.06 | stew | oo_miguel: no |
| 18:42.18 | roboman2444 | hm... the glc opengl capture program is not in the debian repo |
| 18:42.38 | oo_miguel | than my motivation is pure interest ;) |
| 18:42.53 | Sir_Leto | Can someone help me? My nas can't connect to anything outside the local network, but everything outside the local network can connect to it. It just stopped working yesterday |
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| 18:43.26 | stew | oo_miguel: well, if it says it can't find init. make sure /sbin/init exists on the volumne you specify on the command line |
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| 18:43.59 | mikhas | stew, so if I did the initial packaging, how would I then attract maintainers, or just someone to look over the packaging and point out the mistakes? |
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| 18:44.45 | mikhas | (I don't use debian on my desktop.) |
| 18:45.15 | oo_miguel | the volume I specify with set root='(hd0,msdos5)' with grub? |
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| 18:45.31 | oo_miguel | if this is /dev/sda5 than /sbin/init is present on this volume |
| 18:45.32 | stew | mikhas: is you intention to have the pacakge eventually be in debian? |
| 18:45.41 | mikhas | yes |
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| 18:45.46 | humbolt | how can I restart a service from script via ssh? |
| 18:45.48 | stew | oo_miguel: no, the volumne you specify in the root= parameter on the kernel command line |
| 18:46.15 | oo_miguel | i specify /dev/sda5 there too |
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| 18:46.29 | stew | humbolt: "ssh user@remotehost service whatever restart" |
| 18:46.29 | bartus | Hello, Is there a tool which could report per file io stat for given pid. Similar to iotop ? |
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| 18:46.43 | humbolt | it seems my the restart init script is triggered and then killed, when ssh logs out, which is before the restart process is finished |
| 18:46.53 | humbolt | stew: can that be |
| 18:46.59 | mikhas | Hm, according to the guide, I should look for a novice maintainer mentor. |
| 18:47.28 | stew | mikhas: you can write an RFS to http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 18:47.36 | stew | mikhas: and aks in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:47.56 | mikhas | OK, thanks! |
| 18:48.06 | oo_miguel | what might be another reason for : kernel panic: init not found, than a worng root= parameter? |
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| 18:48.26 | stew | humbolt: ssh wouldn't logout until the init script is finished |
| 18:48.32 | oo_miguel | is it possible that my kernel is unable to mount /dev/sda5 ? |
| 18:48.38 | ws2k3 | when i do chown mysql mysql -R it still dont change some underlight directory's |
| 18:48.44 | ws2k3 | do i need to stop the mysql server for this ?> |
| 18:48.48 | stew | oo_miguel: i believe it would tell you "unable to mount root" |
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| 18:50.00 | oo_miguel | you are right, I experienced this error before |
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| 18:51.05 | raptor67682 | Hi, I have two routers. the first one (at internet) is DMZ and transparent, and second one has the firewall (second gate) |
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| 18:51.07 | oo_miguel | I have another general question? how is grub able to boot my kernel from /dev/sda5 (for example) without beeing able to even mount it? |
| 18:51.16 | raptor67682 | is the firt router in danger of being hacked? |
| 18:51.21 | stew | oo_miguel: are you sure /dev/sda is the drive you think it is? its generally more deterministic to use a LABEL or UUID for this |
| 18:51.45 | FGH` | drwxrwxrwx 2 mysql root 4096 Jun 6 08:16 fgh what does this mean ? |
| 18:51.47 | oo_miguel | I do have only one drive |
| 18:51.52 | FGH` | user mysql and group root ? |
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| 18:52.06 | oo_miguel | but I might try with UUID |
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| 18:52.20 | stew | FGH`: owner mysql, group owner root, permissions have been screwed up by someone |
| 18:52.29 | oo_miguel | because thats what works for the kernels shipping with debian |
| 18:52.47 | FGH` | stew now should it be ? |
| 18:52.54 | FGH` | if i do chown it stills group root |
| 18:53.03 | FGH` | i did chown mysql mysql -R |
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| 18:53.13 | stew | oo_miguel: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 18:53.48 | stew | FGH`: "chown mysql mysql -R" means "recursively change the owner to mysql to the file/folder named mysql while leaving the group owner untouched" |
| 18:54.02 | oo_miguel | stew: no |
| 18:54.16 | oo_miguel | I have evrythin on /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6 is swap |
| 18:54.40 | stew | oo_miguel: to answer your previous question, grub is not able to boot from /dev/sda5 without being to mount it, but grub should be smart enough to know how to mount it |
| 18:55.06 | stew | well, not necessarily mount it, but able to read files from it |
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| 18:55.14 | oo_miguel | allright |
| 18:55.38 | oo_miguel | so it can read the kernel image, even if the kernel itself is unable to mount the drive it is on. |
| 18:55.46 | oo_miguel | it=grub |
| 18:55.57 | FGH` | stew i do chgrp mysql mysql -R but the owner stays root |
| 18:56.04 | FGH` | maby i should stop the mysql server for this ? |
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| 18:57.49 | stew | FGH`: the owner of what stays root? |
| 18:58.07 | iluminator101 | what is equivalent of chmod +a in mac in linux setfacl -r ???? |
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| 18:59.07 | marti | I have a problem with Network Manager and modem 3G Huawei E220. Debian testing. Network Manager doesn't detect this modem. But wvdial works with this modem. What am I doing wrong? Under Ubuntu Network Manager does detect this modem. Even on Live cd. |
| 18:59.11 | stew | FGH`: tell me what you think "chgrp A B -R" does exactly |
| 18:59.57 | stew | FGH`: (and no, you don't have to stop the mysql server for this) |
| 19:00.17 | stew | FGH`: i don't believe that the group owner didn't change. I believe that you don't know where it changed |
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| 19:01.01 | oo_miguel | so I am testing the kernel with root specified with uuid .. |
| 19:01.07 | oo_miguel | brb |
| 19:01.10 | zro|mobile | So, I'm reading a bit about this "flame" malware. Looks like a major issue is this whole forged MS root certificate. Something about exploiting the use of MD5 some where. Is it feesible to make an argument in favor of Linux security based on this? Possibly something differentiating how debian repos handle signing? Or is it theoretically as problematic? |
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| 19:01.54 | HellTiger | hello. |
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| 19:02.18 | iluminator101 | is should be chmod a+r |
| 19:02.33 | HellTiger | how do i copy paste or re-format bash scripts? this example dont work everywhere: MYDATE=`date +"%d%m%y"` |
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| 19:03.21 | stew | HellTiger: where doesn't that work? somewhere without a GNU userland? |
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| 19:04.33 | HellTiger | i am in a vm ware via putty ssh win client, i paste into vim |
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| 19:04.49 | HellTiger | stew |
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| 19:05.06 | stew | vim? |
| 19:05.09 | stew | what about bash? |
| 19:05.23 | HellTiger | without the ` it works ofc. |
| 19:05.32 | HellTiger | the problem are the quotes |
| 19:05.37 | HellTiger | in the examplescript its like it |
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| 19:05.40 | roboman2444 | can anyone help me get glc installed? |
| 19:05.40 | HellTiger | and it worked |
| 19:05.46 | roboman2444 | the build script doesnt really work |
| 19:05.47 | HellTiger | but after some copy paste actions |
| 19:05.49 | HellTiger | its lost |
| 19:06.00 | roboman2444 | i get stuff like error while loading shared libraries: libelfhacks.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:06.24 | stew | HellTiger: so the problem is not the command, the problem is you being able to enter the correct characters into putty |
| 19:06.26 | Sir_Leto | :( |
| 19:06.54 | HellTiger | yes stew but l think its normal to work via ssh terminals from any os |
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| 19:07.05 | stew | HellTiger: sure, of course it is |
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| 19:07.30 | stew | HellTiger: and it seems that either your os, or your terminal emulator are misbehaving |
| 19:08.06 | stew | HellTiger: MYDATE=`date +"%d%m%y"` REALLY does work. but perhaps MYDATE=$(date +"%d%m%y") would be less problematic for your terminal emulator? |
| 19:08.29 | HellTiger | i will try, thx. the thing is, i am a beginner |
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| 19:14.40 | Argafal | Debian unstable has an incredibly old version of Rawtherapee. I am wondering what the usual procedure would be to get a newer version packaged. Mail to the maintainer? |
| 19:15.18 | stew | Argafal: wishlist bug |
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| 19:15.29 | Argafal | stew: Exists. |
| 19:15.48 | stew | Argafal: volunteer to help |
| 19:16.10 | Argafal | stew: ah, i see, never mind. http://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libtiff4-symbols.html needs to be done first. |
| 19:16.12 | stew | that is such an unfortunate name for a piece of software |
| 19:16.21 | Argafal | Didn't read carefully enough. |
| 19:17.16 | eft | I've just installed squeeze 6.0.5 in a vbox vm. do I need to worry about compatibility of the vbox additions between guest and host or has that been taken care of in the install? |
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| 19:29.05 | nsadmin | it works! it works! |
| 19:29.24 | nsadmin | my gw came up properly! |
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| 19:30.47 | oo_miguel | hmm. when I try to boot my kernel. and specify root=/dev/sda5 i get the init not found kernel panic.. howver when i specify the UUID i get root can not be mounted (0,0) ? |
| 19:31.06 | oo_miguel | In my opnion both specification should be the same device.. |
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| 19:35.21 | pathghost | Can anyone recommend a captive portal-like system, a la Coova-Chilli or Packetfence for Debian? I've been playing with both of those, but was wondering what the other choices might be. |
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| 19:39.20 | nsadmin | pathghost, the things you name don't seem to be in debian... people won't be able to compare their own experience with these unknowns until you describe them |
| 19:39.28 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 19:40.19 | blackshirt | i have a big problem with installing ttf-dejavu-core on debian, apt stuck on downloading them at 11%....and not go anymore |
| 19:40.26 | blackshirt | anyone can help ? |
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| 19:41.02 | nsadmin | see if there's anything in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
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| 19:42.17 | blackshirt | nsadmin: yes, i have removed it and try again..but still stuck |
| 19:42.36 | nsadmin | blackshirt, also look at df /var and du -s /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:42.51 | blackshirt | nsadmin: wait a minute |
| 19:44.19 | blackshirt | nothing wrong, space available |
| 19:44.35 | nsadmin | how much in the du? |
| 19:44.37 | Cider | does anyone have a seed box here? |
| 19:45.20 | blackshirt | i have try to use wget, nsadmin, du was said 336M |
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| 19:45.32 | pathghost | nsadmin, You're right, they're not in the official repository. There don't seem to be any captive portal systems in any of the official repositories. A captive portal is a Web page that the user of a public-access network is obliged to view and interact with before access is granted. Like Wifi hotspots in businesses, hotels and coffee shops. |
| 19:46.42 | blackshirt | nsadmin, i have try to use wget directly, axel downloader, and get stuck ... try with differents url to |
| 19:46.46 | nsadmin | blackshirt, so there's about 340mb of .debs in the archives |
| 19:47.13 | nsadmin | blackshirt, so all these forms of downloading fail at the same pt? |
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| 19:48.08 | blackshirt | nsadmin: at about 11% .... |
| 19:48.14 | nsadmin | pathghost, thanks for your clarification... I have seen these in hotels... |
| 19:48.36 | nsadmin | blackshirt, sec. want you to try something... |
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| 19:49.55 | jhutchins_lt | blackshirt: Try a different mirror? |
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| 19:50.41 | blackshirt | jhutchins_lt: yes, i have try that |
| 19:50.57 | blackshirt | nsadmin: i'm using testing repo |
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| 19:51.07 | nsadmin | blackshirt, do you have ncftp? |
| 19:51.46 | blackshirt | nsadmin: what the packages provided it ? i think i don't have ncftp |
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| 19:52.01 | nsadmin | I think by ncftp, let;s see: |
| 19:52.09 | nsadmin | , versions ncftp |
| 19:52.10 | judd | Package: ncftp on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.1-1; squeeze: 2:3.2.4-1; sid: 2:3.2.5-1.1; wheezy: 2:3.2.5-1.1 |
| 19:52.16 | jhutchins_lt | pathghost: I've mostly seen those as dedicted distros - some use debian as a base, but they specify packages and user their own components. |
| 19:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | pathghost: There are a couple that run from a CD. |
| 19:53.15 | blackshirt | wait a minute, i would try ncftp |
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| 19:53.28 | pathghost | jhutchins_lt, Thanks, that'll be my next step. I'm trying to get Packetfence to work from their newly-packaged debs, at the moment. When that fails, I guess I'll look into one of those dedicated distros. |
| 19:53.51 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, I've seen that at a hotel where I had a wireless... all dns names led me to their one site, and couldn't get anywhere else until I put in the key the hotel gave, and then I was "unjailed" |
| 19:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | pathghost: I know there's at least one that's free, but it uses the distributer's hosting for auth and user tracking. |
| 19:54.13 | pathghost | ewww |
| 19:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | distributor - that looks more correct. |
| 19:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | pathghost: Well, advantage in that your site becomes a member of a network that can auth people who joined somewhere else. |
| 19:54.59 | pathghost | I suppose, if I needed to, I could write my own. It's just a bunch of scripts, and netfliter and so forth. |
| 19:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | pathghost: But yes, definite ick factor. |
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| 19:56.53 | pathghost | I had this vain hope that there was an accepted solution for the best linux distro in the world. ;) |
| 19:57.07 | nsadmin | their first dhcp connected me to a jailed subnet, and then when freed, I guess it made their dhcp server cancel the lease, and then another dhcp interaction with the key caused it to unjail me |
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| 19:57.48 | pathghost | nsadmin, That's pretty close to what I'm talking about. |
| 19:58.05 | pathghost | nsadmin, In my case, I don't want to use keys, but radius talking to LDAP, but same concept. |
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| 19:59.04 | nsadmin | some kind of initial interact where I would say "yes, I did talk to the hotel" and it would do something |
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| 19:59.24 | Cider | ? |
| 19:59.47 | nsadmin | !confuse Cider |
| 19:59.47 | dpkg | Yes, them is my badger tomorrow, Cider? Trousers of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra crabpaste. |
| 20:00.30 | Cider | !confuse nsadmin |
| 20:00.31 | dpkg | Yes, those are our gerbil today, nsadmin? Trousers of the Republic of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies. |
| 20:00.41 | Cider | who's bot is that dpkg |
| 20:00.56 | nsadmin | it's a little boring since it's always the same form |
| 20:00.59 | kevlarman | the bot has successfully confused me |
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| 20:01.26 | nsadmin | judd is themill's |
| 20:01.40 | nsadmin | dpkg, who's your daddy |
| 20:01.40 | dpkg | you are my daddy, nsadmin |
| 20:01.50 | abrotman | stop playing with the bots .. please |
| 20:02.09 | blackshirt | nsadmin: ncftp said Data connection timed out, Falling back to PORT instead of PASV mode. |
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| 20:02.43 | nsadmin | blackshirt, sec |
| 20:02.48 | blackshirt | get ttf-dejavu-core_2.33-2_all.deb: server said: Failed to establish connection. |
| 20:03.15 | nsadmin | Cider, hi, welcome to debian support... did you need something? |
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| 20:04.40 | nsadmin | blackshirt, seems there is something going on with your networking, either something is wrong on your machine, or possbiy something with your isp |
| 20:05.06 | nsadmin | blackshirt, can't really tell what yet |
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| 20:05.25 | nsadmin | abrotman, sorry. |
| 20:05.27 | blackshirt | nsadmin: maybe, but all my connection, irc chat, browser, and apt-get install ncftp works normally |
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| 20:06.12 | blackshirt | nsadmin: looks very strange |
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| 20:07.17 | nsadmin | blackshirt, wonder if your ISP is throttling your transfers (yes, I agree, it does look strange) |
| 20:07.32 | blackshirt | nsadmin: can you help me download this url : http://ftp.daum.net/debian/pool/main/t/ttf-dejavu/ttf-dejavu-core_2.33-2_all.deb, using apt, downloader, wget, or using ncftp |
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| 20:07.52 | blackshirt | just for test |
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| 20:08.28 | nsadmin | blackshirt, got it |
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| 20:09.14 | blackshirt | nsadmin: i have try to install others packages, wget (axel) some deb packages, and everything works usually |
| 20:09.28 | blackshirt | nsadmin: nothing problems ? |
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| 20:09.53 | nsadmin | nope, well let's see if the package disassembles |
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| 20:11.10 | nsadmin | did ar x *.deb, tar xfz control.tar.gz, tar xfz data.tar.gz |
| 20:11.17 | nsadmin | all that worked |
| 20:12.27 | blackshirt | nsadmin: for some deb packages? |
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| 20:13.34 | nsadmin | blackshirt, yes, in this case for ttf-dejavu-core_2.33-2_all.deb which I just downloaded a min ago |
| 20:13.48 | ws2k3 | what is the differen betweetn mysql 5.1 and 5.5 ? |
| 20:13.53 | ws2k3 | should i upgrade to 5.5 ? |
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| 20:14.18 | nsadmin | ws2k3, are you already running an app on 5.1? |
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| 20:14.33 | a_j__c | I think |
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| 20:14.50 | a_j__c | I think I just installed Debian 4. What's the best way to upgrade to 6 now? |
| 20:14.54 | ws2k3 | i run 5.1 now\ |
| 20:15.06 | ws2k3 | 5.1.61-0+squeeze1 |
| 20:15.20 | nsadmin | ws2k3, and are you using this 5.1 for something specific? |
| 20:15.23 | ws2k3 | and apt-get upgrade doesnt list a new version of mysql |
| 20:15.24 | ws2k3 | no |
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| 20:15.30 | ws2k3 | i just apt-get install it |
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| 20:15.48 | blackshirt | nsamin: i think i don't have this package downloaded |
| 20:15.51 | nsadmin | it's probably the latest available to your release |
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| 20:16.04 | ws2k3 | soo should i upgrade by hand ? |
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| 20:16.25 | ws2k3 | i now run 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 20:16.51 | ws2k3 | but with apt-get upgrade it want to upgrade : linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 20:17.02 | nsadmin | ws2k3, hmm. you have that choice. if you try, you may be in for rough waters. |
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| 20:17.42 | ws2k3 | i dont have anything special |
| 20:17.43 | blackshirt | nsadmin: i'm on testing repo |
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| 20:17.49 | ws2k3 | i was just wandering it doesnt show the mysql 5.5 |
| 20:18.04 | nsadmin | ws2k3, what has you want to run mysql? |
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| 20:18.12 | nsadmin | , versions mysql |
| 20:18.13 | judd | No package named 'mysql' was found in i386. |
| 20:18.20 | ws2k3 | just a .php website |
| 20:18.31 | nsadmin | oh, and is that site running now? |
| 20:18.34 | ws2k3 | yeah |
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| 20:18.58 | ws2k3 | why you ask |
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| 20:19.02 | nsadmin | and, is your mysql, the 5.1, doing part of that job? |
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| 20:19.20 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 20:19.34 | ws2k3 | its the mysql database where my .php website stores some usernames password and some other data |
| 20:19.56 | stew | ws2k3: it doesn't show 5.5 because 5.5 didn't exist when squeeze was frozen |
| 20:20.02 | chris_c | is anyone else getting a signature error for christian marillat while trying to update? |
| 20:20.35 | ws2k3 | stew so i should upgrade to a newer debian first ? |
| 20:20.38 | nsadmin | ws2k3, upgrading the mysql could mean you need to upgrade other stuff: stuff in your debian, and stuff your web site uses... |
| 20:21.09 | ws2k3 | i want your advice what is the best thing to do now |
| 20:21.14 | nsadmin | you can try if you want, but like I said, it's going to be rough. if things are working, you might want to let it be |
| 20:21.16 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse i want to keep my machine up to date |
| 20:21.40 | ws2k3 | its not that i want to i just wanne keep my machine up to date because its a webserver |
| 20:21.46 | stew | ws2k3: why do you want to stay up to date? |
| 20:22.07 | ws2k3 | because running old software may cause bugs that get abused |
| 20:22.08 | stew | ws2k3: then you don't want to be destabilizing it by moving to new major versions of software |
| 20:22.20 | stew | ws2k3: no, debian backports security patches to the old versions regularly |
| 20:22.34 | stew | ws2k3: but debian ISN'T actively patching testing (where 5.5 is) |
| 20:22.37 | ws2k3 | so my debian is not outdated ? |
| 20:22.47 | stew | no |
| 20:22.49 | ws2k3 | my kernel etc |
| 20:22.51 | ws2k3 | aah oke |
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| 20:22.55 | ws2k3 | so i'm good then |
| 20:23.00 | stew | ws2k3: as long as you have a secuirty.debian.org source |
| 20:23.03 | nsadmin | I'd say so, yes |
| 20:23.23 | m1r | hello |
| 20:23.50 | nsadmin | m1r, hi, welcome to debian support |
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| 20:24.11 | ws2k3 | i didnt modify it so i assume it is |
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| 20:25.47 | nsadmin | ws2k3, one thing you might want to do periodically, is read your webserver error log |
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| 20:32.02 | leku | which DVD iso should I download? I have an x64 system, core 2 duo or something |
| 20:32.14 | leku | I downloaded the ia64 but when I boot it up I just get a blank screen |
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| 20:32.28 | stew | leku: either amd64 or i386, (for 64, 32 bit) not ia64 |
| 20:32.33 | leku | shit |
| 20:32.34 | leku | i knew it |
| 20:32.35 | leku | lol |
| 20:32.36 | stew | leku: but why bother with a DVD? |
| 20:32.40 | leku | shrug? |
| 20:32.48 | leku | is netbooting easy? |
| 20:32.54 | stew | DVD will have tons of stuff that you don't need |
| 20:33.09 | leku | k |
| 20:33.09 | stew | no, but you can use CD1 or a netinst cd |
| 20:33.18 | leku | i dont have any blank cd-r's either |
| 20:33.19 | stew | netinst doesn't mean netboot, it is poorly named |
| 20:34.05 | nsadmin | if you do netboot, you'll need another linux |
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| 20:34.14 | leku | werd |
| 20:34.30 | leku | thx |
| 20:34.32 | nsadmin | maybe a debian box you already have |
| 20:34.37 | stew | netinst means "we'll give you tye base system, anything additional, you have to get via the internet" |
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| 20:34.59 | leku | got it |
| 20:34.59 | leku | thx |
| 20:35.06 | stew | leku: the DVDs are typically for delivering packages to machines that cannot get on a network |
| 20:35.22 | nsadmin | the point is, -somehow- you will have to get the installer booted |
| 20:36.14 | nsadmin | leku, do you have a usb stick? |
| 20:36.28 | leku | maybe some old ones laying around |
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| 20:36.40 | laptunovic | Anyone have this error? $ evince |
| 20:36.41 | laptunovic | (evince:3555): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evince.Default' does not contain a key named 'dual-page-odd-left' |
| 20:36.41 | laptunovic | Trace/breakpoint trap |
| 20:36.41 | leku | I'm downloading the small cd ISO |
| 20:36.51 | nsadmin | spares? |
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| 20:37.22 | leku | they are probably infected with malware |
| 20:37.37 | laptunovic | evince? |
| 20:37.49 | leku | evince is part of enlightenment right? |
| 20:37.58 | leku | oh no nm |
| 20:38.08 | laptunovic | i update evince and gave this error |
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| 20:38.36 | nsadmin | leku, do you have a stick you can erase that's larger than say 200 mb? |
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| 20:39.32 | stew | laptunovic: what version of the evince package? |
| 20:39.59 | laptunovic | 3.4 |
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| 20:40.29 | stew | laptunovic: what distro are you running? |
| 20:40.41 | laptunovic | debian testing |
| 20:40.44 | stew | laptunovic: what version of the evince package? |
| 20:40.58 | laptunovic | evince 3.4 |
| 20:41.05 | stew | laptunovic: so not from debian then? |
| 20:41.13 | stew | ... |
| 20:41.14 | peterr | buenas algien me puede ayudar para instalar virtualbox en debian |
| 20:41.15 | ompaul | , versions evince |
| 20:41.16 | judd | Package: evince on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.2-4~lenny2; lenny-security: 2.22.2-4~lenny2; squeeze: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.30.3-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.4.0-2; sid: 3.4.0-2+b1 |
| 20:41.18 | stew | !es |
| 20:41.19 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 20:41.36 | stew | laptunovic: anyway, if it is from debian, you just don't feel like actually telling me the version, check the bts... |
| 20:41.49 | nsadmin | wheezy: 3.4.0-2 |
| 20:42.12 | Seattle_Mike | Anyone here know about using gpt on squeeze? |
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| 20:42.26 | stew | Seattle_Mike: just assume yes and ask your real question |
| 20:42.43 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, checked the kernel config yesterday, it does support gpt |
| 20:43.29 | laptunovic | my evince is 3.4.0-2 |
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| 20:43.38 | blackshirt | is there selinux guide on debian ? |
| 20:43.46 | jordanm | !selinux |
| 20:43.46 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 20:43.50 | Seattle_Mike | MB is P4P800SE Disk is 2TB and I need ONLY Data with 5 big partitions EXT4 .gpt or mbr |
| 20:44.35 | boycottFB | hi |
| 20:45.04 | boycottFB | is it better "reboot" or "init 6" ? init 6 seems to be very fast but .. does it broke things? |
| 20:45.06 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, if your disk is 2 tb, either msdos pt or gpt will handle that... if > 2 tb, you will need gpt |
| 20:45.08 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: I would like to use gparted (probably live) ... will it handle 4K partioning ? |
| 20:45.34 | frostschutz | Seattle_Mike: I think it can be configured to use e.g. 1MiB alignment |
| 20:45.41 | boycottFB | *break |
| 20:45.48 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, dunno, you'll have to check. but, parted (and gparted) do work with gpt, fdisk does not |
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| 20:46.46 | Seattle_Mike | I am tempted to go with gpt .. I could always with pain copy 600GB of data from my USB 3.0 backup. |
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| 20:47.23 | nsadmin | is the data on your 2tb drie already? |
| 20:47.44 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: I know mbr will work for 2 TB but I have always hated the extended partition of MBR! |
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| 20:47.53 | nsadmin | it won't be that much pain... start the copy and go to lunch :) |
| 20:48.36 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: I realize that the new drive is speedy. |
| 20:48.43 | frostschutz | too bad they didnt choose lvm over gpt :) |
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| 20:48.58 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, I'm just saying you have a choice |
| 20:49.28 | Seattle_Mike | frostschutz: I have always bit a bit leery about LVM - although I shouldn't be! |
| 20:49.47 | jhutchins_lt | Seattle_Mike: I always looked at it as one more thing to go wrong. |
| 20:50.31 | Seattle_Mike | jhutchins_lt: I agree!!! I think Redhat defaults to that but I am Debian user! |
| 20:50.37 | pathghost | Seattle_Mike, I used to feel the same way, but I've gotten over it. So far, none of my catastrophic failures have been impacted or involved with LVM. |
| 20:50.50 | pathghost | And in lots of instances, it has saved my bacon. :) |
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| 20:51.13 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, you could always connect the drive and try to mount one of the partitions... |
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| 20:52.18 | Seattle_Mike | Another ? I am using EXT4 on my 5 150G+ partitions. Is that OK? I am beginning to think EXT4 kills my 2TB drives. |
| 20:53.20 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, what has you want ext4? |
| 20:53.21 | jamesd__ | Seattle_Mike, green drives? |
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| 20:54.48 | Seattle_Mike | jamesd_ No I should as they run slower. |
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| 20:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | frostschutz: lvm and gpt are entirely different things, not alternatives. |
| 20:55.31 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: Is it save to use with 200GB 50,000 item partition? That's what failed on my 2TB - photos. |
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| 20:56.41 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, maybe you ran out of inodes... you answered your own question, something is not safe since it failed |
| 20:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | Seattle_Mike: I would think that any of the technologies discussed could handle the ok. |
| 20:57.00 | jhutchins_lt | s/the/that/ |
| 20:57.27 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: I am pretty sure my 2TB drive failed as Windows 7 photo gadget was writing to the partition after ever image displayed! |
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| 20:58.03 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, it's also possible that once you find out exactly what failed, that piece of data may be surprising (and may not have to do with the drive or the partitions) |
| 20:58.11 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: I routinly up the inode count. |
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| 20:58.20 | jamesd__ | dislikes green drives and there habbit of spinnning down when it thinks you aren't going to use it for a while only to have my OS write to the drive waking it up... wash, rinse, repeat. |
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| 20:59.21 | stew | jhutchins_lt: why not? they are both just ways of taking a block device and splitting it into smaller block devices |
| 20:59.39 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: I can check windows gadget but I made that conclusion when I saw the errors happening with every access of the gadget via samba |
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| 21:00.35 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, not familiar with "windows gadget" |
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| 21:03.06 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin - It's cute (I'd like to see nix version) Given a directory it will display photos in a small window which can be easily enlarge. My probem is I waxs using 5 send delay a - I have now xcvopied the partiion wor the gadget to Widndows and let it thrash theree <grin> |
| 21:03.29 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: sorry for the bad english. |
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| 21:04.56 | nsadmin | is the 2tb drive connected to this gaget? |
| 21:05.12 | Ezim | hi... how can I switch between headphone-speaker (pulseaudio) when listening to music? I want sound when I make switch. right now I need to do that with pavucontrol. |
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| 21:07.10 | nsadmin | Seattle_Mike, yeah, if you could rephrase, I could probably understand better |
| 21:09.24 | Seattle_Mike | msadmin: I was using a 5 second delay on win gadget, I have now copied the partition for the gadget to window and let it thrash there! |
| 21:09.48 | boycottFB | nsadmin: is it better "reboot" or "init 6" ? init 6 seems to be faster but .. does it broke things? |
| 21:11.01 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: If my images were to be shared, I would have go sql and I don't want to do that. |
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| 21:13.31 | sacredchao | How can I change it so that when a user logs in, they are placed in a specific directory as their pwd automatically? |
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| 21:15.08 | Seattle_Mike | nsadmin: jhutchins_lt: Thanks for info.. I will try gpt and will populate one partition and see how it goes ...Samba and NFS are the important one. I have got to run. Thanks again. |
| 21:16.06 | pathghost | boycottFB, I don't think "init 6" should damage anything unless something else is wrong. |
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| 21:22.47 | okcx_ | Hello, does anyone know how I can get the official builds of Firefox and Thunderbird on Debian? |
| 21:22.48 | gkaklas | sacredchao: do you want to do that for a specific user or for all users on the machine? |
| 21:23.33 | gkaklas | okcx_: you can download them from mozilla's website |
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| 21:23.53 | okcx_ | Any repos or something like that? |
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| 21:24.08 | okcx_ | I read that you can use the lmde packages |
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| 21:24.14 | pathghost | boycottFB, I wonder if any of this might be interesting to you: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1156480 |
| 21:24.25 | Ezim | okcx_, iceweasel should work and icedova... |
| 21:24.33 | Ezim | its same as firefox-thunderbird |
| 21:24.37 | Ezim | different branding |
| 21:24.40 | okcx_ | I don't like them :/ |
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| 21:24.53 | Ezim | okcx_, okey.. but thats the same thing :) |
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| 21:30.25 | jentron | what package do I need to install to get apache2 to run perl cgi scripts? |
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| 21:31.31 | Ezim | anyone? comment about my post? |
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| 21:33.17 | laptunovic | anyone solve this error with evince?: evince |
| 21:33.18 | laptunovic | (evince:4732): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evince.Default' does not contain a key named 'dual-page-odd-left' |
| 21:33.18 | laptunovic | Trace/breakpoint trap |
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| 21:35.00 | boycottFB | pathghost: thanks for the link. i think the topic contains some errors: "reboot" and "init 6" are *different*. reboot takes some seconds to shutdown everything, while "init 6" takes < 1 sec. |
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| 21:35.46 | pathghost | boycottFB, Because reboot, in Debian (I think) actually calls "shutdown -r" with the defaults. And, by default, shutdown pauses for some seconds before proceeding. |
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| 21:36.38 | craigevil | okcx_, just download them from Mozilla |
| 21:36.48 | boycottFB | pathghost: ah, so it's exactly the same thing? so if i want a speed reboot i can use init 6 |
| 21:36.51 | nsadmin | boycottFB, I've always done reboot and halt (and shutdown -r/-h respectively) |
| 21:37.02 | boycottFB | pathghost: thanks for the info :) |
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| 21:38.11 | jair | whois kmuto |
| 21:38.16 | okcx_ | craigevil, if I download them from Mozilla, can I use the update function? |
| 21:38.33 | dvs | !kmuto |
| 21:38.34 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 21:38.51 | boycottFB | pathghost: nsadmin: i've heard of a feature of the kernel i can use when there's a blocked pc. it's a combination of keys that allow reboot or other things i'd like to find it on wiki but i dont remember the name ... |
| 21:39.00 | jair | thanks so much! |
| 21:39.05 | craigevil | okcx_, hell yeah, all i do is download, extract, create a firefox.desktop and copy it to /usr/share/applications |
| 21:39.07 | laptunovic | anyone solve this error with evince?: evince |
| 21:39.08 | laptunovic | (evince:4732): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evince.Default' does not contain a key named 'dual-page-odd-left' |
| 21:39.08 | laptunovic | Trace/breakpoint trap |
| 21:39.20 | craigevil | okcx_, or you can do it this way> http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html |
| 21:39.26 | jair | what will be the name of the channel debian irc japan? |
| 21:39.40 | okcx_ | craigevil, thanks, I'll give it a go tomorrow |
| 21:39.42 | okcx_ | :) |
| 21:39.45 | craigevil | okcx_, Firefox and Thunderbird both updated to 13 yesterday here with no problems |
| 21:39.47 | jair | I tried #debian-jp #debian.jp but nothing |
| 21:40.19 | okcx_ | Getting rid of Windows anyway |
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| 21:41.01 | boycottFB | ok i've found it "The SysRq key" |
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| 21:49.27 | PjotrOrial | dpkg: help |
| 21:50.23 | genoskill | how can I install a package from a live cd to a debian system on the hard disk |
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| 21:53.12 | PjotrOrial | dpkg: <genoskill> how can I install a package from a live cd to a debian system on the hard disk |
| 21:53.12 | dpkg | PjotrOrial: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:53.32 | PjotrOrial | dpkg is not the smartest bot |
| 21:53.33 | dpkg | PjotrOrial: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:53.33 | nkuttler | genoskill: you can't.. unless the cd includes the .deb |
| 21:53.48 | nkuttler | PjotrOrial: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:54.10 | PjotrOrial | trying to have fun with the dpkg bot... you know testing its limits |
| 21:54.28 | nkuttler | PjotrOrial: do that in #debian-bots, or /msg the bot |
| 21:54.42 | PjotrOrial | i am already in private conversion with it |
| 21:54.59 | genoskill | nkuttler, if the cd includes the deb, how can I intall it on a debian system from the live cd |
| 21:55.02 | PjotrOrial | good night |
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| 21:55.12 | nkuttler | genoskill: man dpkg |
| 21:55.41 | genoskill | nkuttler, that means it is possible? |
| 21:56.00 | nkuttler | genoskill: probably not |
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| 21:56.18 | nkuttler | genoskill: there's no reason at all for a live cd to include packages |
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| 21:56.57 | kevlarman | nkuttler: unless it's also the install cd |
| 21:57.28 | nkuttler | do they build combined live/installers nowadays? |
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| 21:59.52 | genoskill | so it's not possible to install a package from a debian system to another debian system that is on another partition? |
| 22:00.22 | nkuttler | genoskill: of course it's possible... if you have a package |
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| 22:01.02 | nkuttler | genoskill: just having the files that the package installs isn't the same |
| 22:01.50 | nkuttler | !tell genoskill about deb |
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| 22:03.44 | genoskill | nkuttler, can it be installed on the second debian system without booting the second debian system thats my question |
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| 22:04.39 | nkuttler | genoskill: chroot |
| 22:04.55 | laptunovic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.55 | laptunovic | libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libcairo.la' is not a valid libtool archive |
| 22:05.16 | laptunovic | How to solve this? |
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| 22:05.33 | nkuttler | laptunovic: pastebin output of apt-cache policy sed libc6 |
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| 22:06.37 | laptunovic | here https://pzt.me/146n@raw |
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| 22:07.31 | genoskill | nkuttler, what would i have to do |
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| 22:07.41 | fairway | hi all |
| 22:07.58 | nkuttler | laptunovic: that's not what i asked for |
| 22:08.02 | nkuttler | !tell laptunovic about errors |
| 22:08.05 | nkuttler | !tell laptunovic about localized errors |
| 22:08.07 | fairway | I installed crystal imapd |
| 22:08.16 | fairway | but I am not apple to setup a imap connection on my iphone |
| 22:08.18 | nkuttler | laptunovic: and what are you trying to build evince anyway? |
| 22:08.29 | nkuttler | genoskill: man chroot would be a good start |
| 22:08.38 | fairway | do I need to configure anything with crystal imapd ? |
| 22:08.45 | quebre | i got fired from debian company, because i was not polite |
| 22:08.47 | quebre | what to do now? |
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| 22:08.54 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 22:08.54 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:09.09 | quebre | i thought it's support chan? |
| 22:09.12 | quebre | i need support |
| 22:09.13 | quebre | :p |
| 22:09.18 | nkuttler | quebre: technical support |
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| 22:09.29 | quebre | and my question is not technical? i was technican |
| 22:10.57 | fairway | sorry I meant debian cyrus |
| 22:11.05 | fairway | when I telnet 143 I get this: =NTLM AUTH=LOGIN AUTH=PLAIN SASL-IR] debian Cyrus IMAP |
| 22:11.16 | fairway | so it means cyrus is running without encryption |
| 22:11.30 | fairway | should I be able to setup an imap client on my iphone? |
| 22:12.25 | nkuttler | fairway: there's really nothing special about the iphone, it's just an IMAP client |
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| 22:12.54 | fairway | the root certificate is too old |
| 22:12.57 | fairway | Mail.app says |
| 22:13.23 | nkuttler | so create a new one? anyway, not a debian problem |
| 22:13.59 | fairway | I see |
| 22:14.48 | nsadmin | quebre, perhaps the people here are not qualified to help with job skills |
| 22:15.17 | quebre | ;( |
| 22:15.29 | quebre | i am devastated physically |
| 22:15.33 | quebre | but thanks for your help. |
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| 22:21.37 | nsadmin | rbrooks_, found the answer to the issue I was havng yesterday |
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| 22:28.38 | patient | ubuntu comes with a gui keyboard config tool which allows to set "Shift with numeric keys works as in MS Windows" http://imagebin.org/215424 |
| 22:28.51 | patient | does anyone know how i can configure this? |
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| 22:29.00 | craigevil | ask in #ubuntu |
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| 22:29.18 | rbrooks_ | nsadmin, how did you do it? |
| 22:30.10 | rbrooks_ | i have not had time yet to use your ip masq script yet... |
| 22:30.17 | patient | i wanted to know a way to do it in another distro |
| 22:30.21 | rbrooks_ | im sick today FTL |
| 22:30.25 | patient | manually, perhaps |
| 22:31.46 | rbrooks_ | you had to check three interfaces as i recall nsadmin |
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| 22:32.53 | jentron | Anyone offer any hints on why perl cgi doesn't run? php does... |
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| 22:33.25 | nkuttler | jentron: you run php as cgi? |
| 22:33.39 | jentron | yes, trying to run perl the same way |
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| 22:34.20 | nkuttler | jentron: what happens when you access the perl script? |
| 22:34.33 | jentron | It just dumps the script |
| 22:34.52 | nkuttler | it's in the cgi-bin directory? |
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| 22:36.12 | sacredchao | How can I change it so that when a user logs in, they are placed in a specific directory as their pwd automatically? |
| 22:36.20 | jentron | No, but I have Options +ExecCGI set for the directory. |
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| 22:37.00 | nkuttler | sacredchao: man usermod |
| 22:37.38 | nkuttler | jentron: try http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html |
| 22:37.40 | rbrooks | someone keeps saturating tor nodes?? pls dont boot me :D |
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| 22:38.03 | rbrooks | just idling freenode wasnt ignoring |
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| 22:38.49 | karlpinc | sacredchao: (Change the home directory.) |
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| 22:47.17 | sacredchao | karlpinc: Does a full chroot jail upon login require symlinking system directories in the dir I want the user jailed in? |
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| 22:49.43 | nsadmin | rbrooks, yes, three interfaces... the thing is, the way it was set up with the insserv stanza, it would wait until the network was fully up, and that part works fine... it turns out that if you put an interface on "allow-hotplug", it will background. if you put it on "auto", it won't... turned out all three were on hotplug, so I put them all on auto... done! |
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| 22:57.57 | karlpinc | sacredchao: You don't want to use a chroot jail, not for security reasons. Use linux containers ("/msg dpkg lxc" in your irc client) instead. |
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| 22:59.06 | rbrooks | nsadmin, wow no way, allow hotplug does that?? |
| 22:59.34 | rbrooks | who would have guessed |
| 22:59.52 | rbrooks | i thought it does, you know, allow hotpugging ;p |
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| 23:00.09 | rbrooks | er plug* |
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| 23:01.48 | nsadmin | rbrooks, more to the point, auto makes sure the network process blocks while that interface is set up |
| 23:02.23 | nsadmin | rbrooks, allow-hotplug lets a cable be plugged in or out at any time during the host's uptime |
| 23:03.01 | rbrooks | that is slick, i wouldn't have guessed 'auto' had that behavior either.. i |
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| 23:03.26 | e12e | jentron: suffix for php/perl? .cgi or .php/.perl? AddHandler lines for what you use? modes on scripts (eg chomd og+rx file.cgi) ? |
| 23:03.49 | nsadmin | I had a sneaking suspicion, it had to be something about networking, since stew said the behavior of insserv works |
| 23:03.57 | rbrooks | i think hotplugg would do that yes, but backgrounding could be a problem so you really didnt have to mess with networking in your script then after setting auto? |
| 23:03.58 | e12e | jentron: also - you sure you don't have mod_php taking care of the php-bit? |
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| 23:04.28 | jentron | e12e, I shoved all the perl I needed to run into cgi-bin and it magically started working, which solves my immediate need |
| 23:04.38 | nsadmin | rbrooks, correct, didn't have to change the script |
| 23:04.47 | jentron | And I do have mod_php, but I installed mod_perl as well. |
| 23:05.20 | rbrooks | wow, nice. |
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| 23:06.26 | nsadmin | rbrooks, I have to quickly say that's not going to always be the case... |
| 23:07.07 | rbrooks | i will like to implement the ip masq script you gave me, but the need hasen't been imminent as thankfully our gateway is back up |
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| 23:08.12 | rbrooks | i am not sure i understand how it will help in cases where dns is not working though |
| 23:08.19 | bluesky_ | Hi Folks: I am based in India; All our HTTPS traffic is deciphered by our surveillance body after they came to some understanding with US government, I looked up on the web about fiddler Man-in-the-middle-proxy and a few others that can decipher HTTPS, any other way to stay encrypted all times, I use https-everywhere, just want to be safe with iBanking? Thanks |
| 23:08.37 | nsadmin | rbrooks, in any case you would need the rest of it :) I'm happy to give that to you |
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| 23:09.06 | nsadmin | I should add to its docs first |
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| 23:09.43 | rbrooks | yes, i thank you. the box itself needs updates but i may tackle that time permitting this weekend |
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| 23:10.05 | nsadmin | rbrooks, well I usually put a caching dns inside the masq net |
| 23:11.27 | nsadmin | ipmasq operates underneath dns |
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| 23:12.57 | bluesky_ | Any answer to my query above? |
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| 23:14.40 | ArmOrAttAk | tor? |
| 23:15.15 | rbrooks | ok caching dns... right that will help in other ways too, hmm... |
| 23:15.21 | nsadmin | bluesky_, (first I'm not experienced with https but) I didn't get a clear sense of your actual question. could you post a question you're interested in that has no preamble? |
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| 23:17.11 | rbrooks | ArmOrAttAk, me? |
| 23:17.16 | themill | !tinfoil bluesky_ |
| 23:17.17 | dpkg | bluesky_: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
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| 23:17.57 | rbrooks | ok i mentioned tor wayyy up i see now :D |
| 23:17.58 | nsadmin | themill, and the prize for the most abusive approach goes to... |
| 23:18.14 | rbrooks | lol |
| 23:18.22 | bluesky_ | I know people in the intelligence community, I am using HTTPS-everywhere on Firefox, yet my connection is not secure, my only fear is iBanking. India got some software from US to monitor all Indian internet traffic. How can I stay safe even beyond HTTPS-everywhere with Firefox? |
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| 23:19.14 | GapSpark | startkeylogger |
| 23:19.18 | rbrooks | yeah are you familliar with tor bluesky_ ? as ArmOrAttAk suggested? |
| 23:19.28 | GapSpark | stopkeylogger |
| 23:19.32 | GapSpark | startkeylogger |
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| 23:19.40 | rbrooks | yea ok |
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| 23:20.42 | nsadmin | bluesky_, (I still can't help you myself but) thank you for rephrasing your question so that people can understand better what you want |
| 23:21.11 | themill | or better, explain which major advances in modern mathematics have passed the rest of us by |
| 23:22.24 | nkuttler | and ask your question without all the irrelevant conspiracy info |
| 23:23.08 | rbrooks | tor can be monitored in various ways. with enough resources, people can still monitor your traffic through tor i would bet... |
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| 23:26.35 | bluesky_ | There is no conspiracy here, it is all happening in real-time. They just setup some facility in Bangalore to do this. HTTP is not secure as this fiddler proxy can decipher SSL in realtime according to google. |
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| 23:27.25 | themill | [citation required] |
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| 23:29.56 | bluesky_ | Here is one link about it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/29/india_censorship_web/ |
| 23:31.10 | sacredchao | karlpinc: Using lxc I can lock a user to a specific directory upon login? |
| 23:31.35 | sacredchao | Is it really necessary to use a virtualisation technique to do this? |
| 23:31.45 | blackshirt | i have this error on debian : ImportError: no module named IPy |
| 23:31.56 | blackshirt | what python module provided it ? |
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| 23:33.24 | themill | blackshirt: apt-file is your friend. The answer will depend partly on the context of your question |
| 23:34.45 | themill | bluesky_: there is nothing in that article about https being deciphered. |
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| 23:36.27 | bluesky_ | Try this https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=Fiddler+proxy+server+deciphering+HTTPS&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a, while I find more about this center |
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| 23:37.09 | rbrooks | it isn't just India bluesky_ , http://www.rt.com/news/utah-data-center-spy-789/ |
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| 23:42.17 | themill | bluesky_: once again, that is not deciphering https, it's an http library configured to go via a proxy. |
| 23:43.41 | jelly-home | sets rbrooks up with a transparent proxy and a signed cert for CN=*, CN=*.*, CN=*.*.* |
| 23:45.00 | blackshirt | themill: i run semanage command |
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| 23:46.47 | cipher__ | i cannot fix optimus on my xps15z, i've been at it for about a day or two now |
| 23:46.47 | cipher__ | http://pastie.org/4040879 |
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| 23:47.11 | cipher__ | it was working fine before a haywire package randomly removed my software D: |
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| 23:49.00 | cipher__ | originally i got it working in this channel :P |
| 23:49.34 | rbrooks | thanks jelly-home, that's all i need then? hmm... |
| 23:50.37 | rbrooks | i will try to learn more about the proxy route... |
| 23:50.48 | bluesky_ | Thanks all; I have to go; I am going to get super-intelligent in two more years, I will write transparent encryption for Linux then. Bye |
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