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| 00:01.01 | nightfrog | craigevil: firmware-linux-free_2.6.32-45_all.deb Will that do? |
| 00:01.22 | nightfrog | Excuse me. firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 00:01.36 | craigevil | nope, but i was wrong it wasnt the netinstall it was cd1 |
| 00:01.39 | craigevil | nightfrog, yes |
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| 00:04.19 | DataMinor | what is the best linux rescue CD |
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| 00:04.34 | dvs | well, that I can kinda see because the wpa_supplicant package is probably on it. |
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| 00:13.37 | nsadmin | DataMinor, one that supports your devices and allows you to fix things |
| 00:14.33 | nsadmin | and it doesn't have to be the best one as long as it works |
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| 00:15.26 | nightfrog | Sigh. The flash drive isn't being recognized. |
| 00:17.37 | nsadmin | hmm. what is the filename of the installer image? |
| 00:17.57 | nsadmin | wait, you're installing? |
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| 00:23.12 | DataMinor | is there anything better than 'top' for a dynamic real-time view of a running system ? |
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| 00:23.32 | dvs | like gkrellm |
| 00:24.39 | nsadmin | you can "watch" anything |
| 00:24.54 | dvs | even the weather ;-) |
| 00:24.58 | nsadmin | so perhaps you can create your own monitoring out of simple unix commands |
| 00:25.12 | nightfrog | DataMinor: htop |
| 00:25.22 | dalias | i like busybox's top |
| 00:25.44 | dalias | at least i've never been able to find the way to match the "s" mode it has with normal top.. |
| 00:25.56 | dalias | and "s" is the only thing that lets you really evaluate memory usage |
| 00:26.37 | nightfrog | nsadmin: Yes I am installing trying to get the non free firmware. USB ports have power but the flash drives are not being scanned, only the floppy |
| 00:27.16 | jamesd | of course some say top is the problem.. if something is broken what is the top problem... its top, or the 6x copies of top running by 6 sysadmins logged in trying to find out what the problem is. |
| 00:27.51 | nightfrog | That computer is the only one with a floppy so I am using a live cd to move the deb to a floppy and then reboot back into the Debian install and hope all is well |
| 00:27.51 | nsadmin | I wonder if the installer you have doesn't have support for normal everyday usb storage |
| 00:28.14 | nsadmin | jamesd, 6?! 1 is enough to noticibly lag the system |
| 00:28.22 | dalias | :) |
| 00:28.39 | nsadmin | one top and it's almost always what? |
| 00:28.42 | nsadmin | on top. |
| 00:28.47 | jamesd | nsadmin, its also the fact that 6 admins logged in trying to see the answer. |
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| 00:29.24 | nsadmin | well sure, that could be how the effect multiplies |
| 00:29.28 | dvs | nightfrog: Looks like it's time for the nonfree firmware installer |
| 00:29.33 | DataMinor | A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance. |
| 00:29.47 | DataMinor | i just read that on backtrack |
| 00:29.55 | DataMinor | 's site |
| 00:31.10 | nsadmin | DataMinor, as you can see you have some choices |
| 00:31.57 | Syburg | DataMinor: What do you want to view exactly? |
| 00:33.01 | jamesd | likes mpstat, iostat, prstat, netstat, kstat, as availbile in the OS being trobleshooted. |
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| 00:35.07 | dvs | likes lestat ;-P |
| 00:36.18 | DataMinor | Syburg oh, nothing more than top or openbsd's systat or even the gnome system monitor shows, i just wondered if i was unaware of anything newer |
| 00:36.49 | DataMinor | ntop is nice for networking |
| 00:37.15 | jamesd | DataMinor, there are but nothing really in linux... oh and there is latencytop |
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| 00:37.36 | DataMinor | htop ??? |
| 00:38.37 | nsadmin | try it... you might like it... |
| 00:42.00 | DataMinor | nsadmin, htop looks nice, tnx |
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| 00:43.35 | nsadmin | DataMinor, welcome... so it's not just "the best one", it's the one you like and that has what you need, and you'll almost -never- know until you try |
| 00:45.17 | DataMinor | i have almost 100 udevd --daemon processes running on this laptop |
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| 00:45.50 | DataMinor | i wonder why |
| 00:45.54 | DataMinor | 'udevd --daemon' |
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| 00:46.47 | DataMinor | the gnome system monitor shows memory maps |
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| 00:47.09 | DataMinor | i like that even if it isn't particularly useful |
| 00:47.21 | nsadmin | the regular top raises the load average a bit (ok, maybe I'm exaggerating a little); it almost always shows up at the top of top (what does that tell you?), but it can give you some information |
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| 00:51.38 | Ugly_Duck | i am trying to get journald quota workig on my system, but every tutorial i look at specifies / and i have split partitions now, /home /var etc, does quota still have to be enabled on / or can i just specify /home ? |
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| 01:01.58 | nightfrog | craigevil: Thanks. I finally got the deb file put on the floppy and it did the trick |
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| 01:02.28 | nightfrog | Writing my partitions now :-) I earned a cigarette I think. |
| 01:02.36 | Ugly_Duck | floppy? man i've not used a floppy for a while |
| 01:02.53 | nsadmin | good thing it fit! |
| 01:03.03 | nightfrog | nsadmin: Barely :-) |
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| 01:14.00 | nightfrog | If the wireless card isn't a pain to setup and IPV6 is easy to setup I'll be happy. The wireless card didn't seem to be recognized which scares me. |
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| 01:14.30 | Sidney__ | 1024KiB is kilobytes? |
| 01:14.47 | Ugly_Duck | well, qouta is now working |
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| 01:15.51 | nightfrog | During the setup, SQL Database is mysql? |
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| 01:16.33 | stew | Sidney__: that is 1024 kibibytes which is one mebibyte |
| 01:16.44 | yeats | nightfrog: postgresql, I believe |
| 01:17.57 | nightfrog | yeats: Thanks. That sucks |
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| 01:18.22 | stew | judd: Depends task-database-server |
| 01:18.23 | judd | No package named 'task-database-server' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 01:18.32 | stew | judd: Depends task-database-server wheezy |
| 01:18.33 | judd | Package task-database-server in wheezy/i386 -- depends: tasksel, postgresql. |
| 01:18.39 | stew | yes, its postgresql |
| 01:19.02 | stew | nightfrog: it should matter much. you should just be able to "apt-get install mysql-server" if that is what you prefer |
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| 01:19.25 | Sidney__ | gdisk dosent have a front end like gparted |
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| 01:36.22 | grepper | dunno if this is OT, but is it possible to use the 'mail' command to just print out the number of unread or new messages in the specified mbox file ? ie. mail -some-option -f .icedove/.../Local\ Folders/Inbox ? |
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| 01:36.37 | grepper | using bsd-mailx atm for the 'mail' command |
| 01:37.12 | GG111 | I can't find in man apt-get , what is the option to see which package will prvide a certian library, is there such a tool ? |
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| 01:38.31 | nightfrog | What is the best utility in Linux to mirror a hard drive. |
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| 01:38.58 | cwillu_at_work | GG111, apt-cache |
| 01:39.11 | GG111 | cwillu_at_work: I'll man it, thank you |
| 01:39.12 | cwillu_at_work | (I think) |
| 01:39.23 | GG111 | nightfrog: use "dd" |
| 01:39.25 | GG111 | man dd |
| 01:39.32 | cwillu_at_work | eww |
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| 01:39.43 | cwillu_at_work | unless you're actually looking for a block level copy, use rsync instead |
| 01:40.21 | nightfrog | raid 1 |
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| 01:40.41 | nightfrog | This stuff was a lot easier in FreeBSD |
| 01:41.59 | nightfrog | Is mdadm any good?: |
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| 01:46.44 | KsM | on occasion (about once a week) when my system idles and the screen locks and I wake it up, it freezes for a bit, then flickers/redraws multiple times. I log in and it falls back to xfwm4 and compiz refuses to open again |
| 01:47.12 | KsM | I think I've finally narrowed it down to being the i915 driver though |
| 01:48.04 | KsM | http://pastebin.com/7ND6WTgX |
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| 01:48.13 | KsM | That's the tail of dmesg at the time |
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| 01:49.48 | KsM | I'm going to install xserver-xorg-video-intel now, but if the problem persists, what can I do? |
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| 02:03.31 | Eediot | What file do I alter to permanently change the path? |
| 02:03.38 | Eediot | the PATH I should say |
| 02:05.06 | KsM | your shell rc |
| 02:05.24 | KsM | ~/.bashrc or whatever shell you're using |
| 02:05.32 | KsM | just find PATH= in it |
| 02:06.49 | Eediot | Oddly enough, there's no PATH variable in my .bashrc file |
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| 02:08.18 | Sidney__ | when i try to use this gdisk I somehow create the second partition and leave the first partition as unallocated space. Any ideas as to what I can be doing wrong |
| 02:08.37 | Ugly_Duck | hell, grub has turned pretty complicated |
| 02:10.02 | Sidney__ | http://pastebin.com/j3qLPxhb |
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| 02:18.31 | KsM | Hm |
| 02:18.42 | KsM | where is the global xorg.conf located? |
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| 02:31.22 | epsilon | etc/X11 - but maybe not there by default |
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| 02:43.04 | asdfasdfasdf | hi |
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| 02:43.46 | Guest80230 | Im having troubles with time setting |
| 02:44.16 | Guest80230 | UTC appears as my localtime and then timezone is applied to it showing wrong time |
| 02:44.53 | Guest80230 | cna you help me? |
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| 02:46.08 | korkman | i'd like to use the toram part of live-boot to load an otherwise ordinary debian partition to ram |
| 02:47.58 | korkman | anyone ever tried that or something similar? |
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| 02:49.07 | korkman | my goal is to have a rescue system that can be booted like regular, but is capable of loading into ram occasionally |
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| 03:04.38 | cads | is there a enterprise targeted debian flavor or descendant? |
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| 03:05.46 | cads | feature set similar to redhat or suse, say, but built on top of the debian package repository |
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| 03:06.38 | korkman | cads: ubuntu is active in the enterprise market |
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| 03:07.51 | korkman | but i think that's more a support question rather actual distro |
| 03:08.09 | korkman | there are companies supporting debian installations |
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| 03:09.10 | korkman | (because from a software perspective, you get the same packages anyways) |
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| 03:09.28 | vsk | I want to buy 3TB seagate ext. HDD....Does Debian squeeze support it?. my pc is Dell latitude 32 bit |
| 03:09.44 | korkman | vsk: yes |
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| 03:10.33 | vsk | korkman: i read somewhere that a 32 bit OS support max of 2.76TB is it true? |
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| 03:11.19 | korkman | vsk: completely wrong because that limit applies to RAM available to a single application (32-bit debian can still use much more ram) |
| 03:11.48 | korkman | vsk: oh wait that was GB not TB |
| 03:12.39 | korkman | vsk: still i don't know of any limit regarding disk size |
| 03:13.15 | korkman | vsk: there's a limit of 16 TiB for ext4 because the tools formatting aren't 64-bit compiled yet |
| 03:14.02 | korkman | vsk: i'm happily using a 4 TiB volume since a few years on 32-bit now |
| 03:15.03 | imgx64 | This is actually a limit of MBR, not the OS. Computers with BIOS can't boot from disks larger than 2TiB. |
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| 03:15.40 | imgx64 | UEFI and GPT are supposed to solve that problem. |
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| 03:15.53 | Sidney__ | Does it matter if sda1 is the second partition and sda2, my system partition is first |
| 03:16.07 | korkman | yes, partitioning also requires gpt for > 2 TiB anyways |
| 03:16.18 | korkman | if not using 4k logical sectors |
| 03:17.12 | korkman | Sidney__: second and first in what context? |
| 03:17.41 | Sidney__ | sda1 is the second partition on the drive |
| 03:17.44 | korkman | sda1 is your first partition, sda2 your second |
| 03:17.52 | korkman | they can't be swapped |
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| 03:18.29 | korkman | you can put your system partition on any |
| 03:19.15 | Sidney__ | korkman, can they be swapped |
| 03:19.51 | cads | korkman, well, for example, in suse I can use its management system to quickly do some fairly complicated configuration tasks, such as setting up backups, creating and mounting NFS shares, deploying a virtualization environment, managing LVM partitions, etc. |
| 03:19.54 | korkman | Sidney__: on boot the kernel assigns sda1 to the first partition, sda2 to the second |
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| 03:20.44 | cads | korman, essentially it reduces the learning cost of using these technologies. |
| 03:20.49 | Sidney__ | I created with gdisk and when i created sda1 it was made on the back of the drive |
| 03:21.20 | korkman | cads: that's YaST. i dumped suse on all my servers because of YaST limiting possibilities. |
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| 03:21.48 | korkman | cads: the learning is not faster, but heavily limited by such tools |
| 03:22.10 | cads | hmm, so in the long run that 'quick deploy' costs you in flexibility |
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| 03:22.34 | korkman | cads: but if you only need basic stuff, i admit it can be tempting |
| 03:22.50 | korkman | cads: take a look at webmin |
| 03:23.11 | craigevil | !webmin |
| 03:23.12 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 03:23.32 | korkman | *grin* |
| 03:23.43 | cads | korkman, for someone first approaching all the text based configuration of a linux system for the first time, things can be daunting, and automated configuration, as you say, really is tempting |
| 03:23.46 | cads | haha |
| 03:24.04 | cads | !free whcp |
| 03:24.05 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 03:24.16 | cads | hehe |
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| 03:25.04 | craigevil | also see the server section on my Giant sources.list, although I do have webmin in the sources.list but it has most of the info of that factiod as well |
| 03:25.53 | cads | hmm, I wish there was a compromise - with a configuration tool you may be relieved that you didn't need the expertise to write a configuration file, but then be afraid to drop into that file and customize things |
| 03:26.40 | craigevil | keep in mind all a GUI does is hide the fact that you are editing a config file when you do things in the GUI |
| 03:26.58 | korkman | the problem is most developers in the linux world stop at the point where stuff works, then create more functions instead of developing GUI or curses based config |
| 03:27.32 | korkman | so there's always a gap between third party gui config and actual functionality |
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| 03:28.20 | korkman | when devs themselves develop the gui for their product, it's tied and integrated |
| 03:29.04 | korkman | but that's rare and suse took the approach to write a unified gui for lots of products they didn't write |
| 03:29.52 | korkman | OTOH, text based config and man pages aren't that hard |
| 03:30.13 | cads | you get a kind of configuration space reduction that tries, to varying levels of success, to accentuate some philosophy of 'sane' configurations, while restricting other possible configurations |
| 03:30.59 | cads | korkman, indeed, the man pages for configuration files are often very illuminating even if you're using config tools |
| 03:31.37 | korkman | i see that with some stuff like samba, there's a need for reduction of options. it's approaching levels of sendmail. |
| 03:31.57 | korkman | too many things that can be misconfigured. |
| 03:32.17 | imgx64 | What we need is a general-purpose tool like visudo/vipw. A tool that lets you edit any config files, but doesn't let you save it unless its syntax is correct. |
| 03:32.51 | imgx64 | of course, we'd need a config file for each config file specifying the syntax.. but that's still less than developing something like YaST. |
| 03:33.15 | cads | korkman, it seems like an expert performs an implicit reduction of options in that he doesn't even consider the options that aren't nearly optimal |
| 03:33.15 | korkman | wasn't there something like that? |
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| 03:33.41 | korkman | cfengine? |
| 03:34.57 | cads | another useful thing would be something that can simulate, visualize, or otherwise 'explain' to you what configuration means |
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| 03:35.57 | stew | imgx64: have a look at augeas |
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| 03:36.16 | cads | in the sense that if you ask your system administrator why a configuration is as it is, he can explain or demonstrate the philosophy behind the systems's configuration |
| 03:37.26 | imgx64 | stew: Augeas sounds useful, thanks. |
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| 03:37.56 | cads | that's getting a bit speculative though - this would require something that can learn what makes a particular configuration useful to a non-expert user |
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| 03:38.48 | korkman | stew, imgx64: how does representing everything in a tree make things easier |
| 03:39.13 | korkman | isn't augeas only meant to simplify scripted changes? |
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| 03:40.05 | korkman | it's like, the windows registry :-) |
| 03:40.10 | cads | korkman, cfengine looks interesting |
| 03:40.35 | korkman | cads: there's also chef and puppet i think |
| 03:41.06 | korkman | i never touched any of them |
| 03:42.12 | cads | hmm, so cfengine describes a policy compliant state, and provides a means to iterate the configuration closer to that ideal state |
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| 03:46.10 | korkman | cads: m |
| 03:46.27 | korkman | cads: make one setup drbd volumes automatically |
| 03:46.55 | korkman | cads: then i'm impressed |
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| 03:47.58 | vsk | Hi |
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| 03:50.44 | cads | korkman, har |
| 03:50.47 | Lns | I just open sourced my spaghetti! |
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| 03:51.12 | korkman | cads: what's first in enterprise is monitoring. i like zabbix. nagios ... meh |
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| 03:52.31 | vsk | Does 32bit OS (eg. debian squeeze) support 3TB HDD...... |
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| 03:53.50 | cads | korkman, do you think things like distributed storage and systems monitoring can make it onto consumer home networks? |
| 03:54.36 | cads | one big step would be, as you say, to automate the setup for those kinds of features |
| 03:55.11 | korkman | cads: they already did. distributed storage for consumers = dropbox :-/ |
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| 03:56.10 | cads | that reminds me of sparkleshare - essentially a personal dropbox server |
| 03:56.23 | cads | wonder how they're coming along |
| 03:57.28 | korkman | the generic problem here is integration. there just isn't enough pressure on the devs to integrate their products. not that they can be blamed - most sacrifice their spare time for open source projects. |
| 03:58.35 | korkman | and then there's protective barriers between projects to ensure they can offer quality within their box |
| 03:59.00 | korkman | just not enough manpower behind each individual project |
| 04:00.44 | korkman | so it takes big companies to swallow up bigger parts, make their paid devs work together and integrate it into the community |
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| 04:01.12 | bberry | hi all |
| 04:01.15 | korkman | tough job. red hat does alot well there. |
| 04:01.18 | cads | I also feel like it's hard to get a hold of the knowledge required to set up the architecture of an advanced system, even though the components are all off the shelf components |
| 04:01.45 | cads | lets forget for a second the difficulty of integrating the components |
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| 04:02.47 | cads | I think many people might realize that between their three computers, tablet, and smart phone, they could have a very powerful little mini-cloud |
| 04:03.14 | cads | but the objectives are hard to define |
| 04:03.24 | cads | what exactly would it do? |
| 04:03.58 | korkman | synchronize data, create and manage redundancy |
| 04:04.14 | korkman | the last part being completely out-of-scope for most consumers |
| 04:04.23 | imgx64 | Is the Debian "Rescue" LiveCD a strict superset of the "Standard" LiveCD? Or does the latter have things not in the former? |
| 04:04.28 | korkman | "i have all my life on one hard drive" |
| 04:05.12 | korkman | imgx64: what isos exacly? |
| 04:05.19 | Sm0ke0ut | I wonder. (never used it though) but is "owncloud" an option? |
| 04:05.37 | imgx64 | korkman: these: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 04:05.51 | korkman | Sm0ke0ut: is a dropin dropbox replacement i think? |
| 04:06.05 | korkman | Sm0ke0ut: but i don't think it cares for redundancy |
| 04:06.49 | korkman | imgx64: that looks like the results of the live-build packages |
| 04:07.52 | Sm0ke0ut | You're right. redundancy needs to be done another way. I would say 2 systems in raid 1(+0) or something, but that's hardly related to Debian |
| 04:07.55 | korkman | imgx64: these are really deboostrapped systems made bootable |
| 04:08.10 | korkman | imgx64: with fancy live boot options like toram |
| 04:08.36 | korkman | Sm0ke0ut: well a drbd volume maybe :-) |
| 04:09.03 | davidHome | Is there a document on setting up bind9 as a seccondary dns? |
| 04:10.00 | davidHome | I have it running. I just need to make a seccondary zone. |
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| 04:11.10 | korkman | davidHome: i think zone transfer is the direction to search for ... |
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| 04:11.29 | davidHome | thanks |
| 04:11.39 | Sm0ke0ut | Indeed. or AXFR for that matter :) |
| 04:11.43 | bvierra | hey all |
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| 04:13.10 | cads | korkman, suppose you have a set of computers, each has zero or more harddrives with known storage space, and some amount of ram. Each is either connected through lan or wireless to a central hub. |
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| 04:14.23 | cads | the problem is to compute what sort of redundancy and syncing structure the system should have |
| 04:14.57 | cads | assuming the user will require some amount of personal space |
| 04:15.45 | cads | and that the system is to be able to heal a failed computer after a harddrive malfunction |
| 04:15.55 | KsM | Huh |
| 04:16.17 | KsM | for some reason Xorg is using a ton of cpu for more graphical stuff now |
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| 04:16.42 | KsM | didn't go all the way to 80% before doing fullscreen music visualising |
| 04:18.10 | korkman | cads: ceph will solve that :-) |
| 04:21.09 | korkman | KsM: some stuff between Xorg and your gfx card driver is probably not optimized. unfortunately, lately these problems got worse |
| 04:21.36 | korkman | KsM: my firefox is scrolling 1 line per second in "add-ons" since years now |
| 04:21.44 | cads | korkman, hah, nice |
| 04:21.50 | KsM | yeah I'd just installed xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 04:22.07 | KsM | and if I uninstall it, it's even worse |
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| 04:23.07 | cads | I bet it's not terribly complex math - should be pretty easy to find a storage amount for a central file server |
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| 04:23.33 | korkman | KsM: you might have to downgrade your Xorg. there's http://snapshot.debian.org/ for that |
| 04:23.33 | vortek | hello :) |
| 04:24.02 | korkman | cads: why not upload everything to filesharing :-) |
| 04:24.02 | vsk | which location/server does the weather applet use to update information |
| 04:24.06 | cads | korkman, but I wonder if one should expect, say, a laptop to be able to contribute to a system recovery process |
| 04:24.42 | vsk | or is there any configuration file where i can add URL so that weather applet download weather info |
| 04:24.53 | cads | korkman, you know I've seen torrents like "Stephen's Backup - Don't Download" on the p2p tracker networks |
| 04:25.08 | davidHome | I can see how to allow bind to transfer to a transferzone but I cant find out how to make it pull. |
| 04:25.25 | korkman | cads: there's actually another project adressing that. it measures typical uptime of storage nodes to make up if it should store globally available data on that |
| 04:25.37 | korkman | cads: can't think of the name now |
| 04:26.34 | cads | oh nice, that would give a kind of valuation of the profitability of storing info on a given node |
| 04:26.47 | vortek | im trying to get wicd and my wirekess going, nothing works, it hang on getting ip address with no encrption, and hangs on authentication if i use encryption. any help wold be greatly appriciated |
| 04:26.55 | KsM | dpkg: warning: downgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel from 2:2.19.0-1 to 2:2.18.0-2. |
| 04:26.56 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, KsM |
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| 04:27.05 | KsM | korkman: am I going right? |
| 04:27.18 | KsM | er |
| 04:27.21 | KsM | hrm |
| 04:27.38 | korkman | KsM: yep that and the rest of xserver |
| 04:28.16 | korkman | ignore the dpkg bot, it never catches it's being quoted from another life |
| 04:28.27 | vortek | heh |
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| 04:28.59 | davidHome | How do I make bind9 pull a transfer zone? The documents only tell me how to make it a master. |
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| 04:29.22 | vortek | any one help me? |
| 04:29.23 | Sm0ke0ut | What documents are you reading? Because normally it should contain all info you need |
| 04:29.37 | Sm0ke0ut | Also try google. I bet there are many tutorials online |
| 04:29.40 | korkman | vortek: do you have firmware-nonfree package installed? i wouldn't be surprised if your wireless acts strage without proper firmware |
| 04:29.46 | davidHome | primarly this onehttp://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
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| 04:29.53 | KsM | korkman: well it wasn't giving trouble until I updated to version 19 of video-intel |
| 04:29.54 | vortek | yes |
| 04:30.02 | KsM | so I was just thinking I could downgrade that |
| 04:30.10 | KsM | but it gived me unmet dependency errors |
| 04:30.34 | Sm0ke0ut | I myself don't use Bind9 so I'm afraid I can't help you with the details @ davidHome |
| 04:30.50 | korkman | KsM: it probably wants you to downgrade the other xorg packages as well? |
| 04:30.53 | davidHome | thanks anyways |
| 04:30.57 | Sm0ke0ut | though there might be a dedicated channel on this network about Bind9 |
| 04:30.57 | vortek | oh wait im having anotherproblem, i upgraded to wheezeandnow all x is is a blinking cursor. any ideas? |
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| 04:31.12 | davidHome | I will try that |
| 04:31.24 | KsM | oh wait nevermind |
| 04:31.25 | KsM | " xserver-xorg-video-intel depends on xorg-video-abi-11; however: |
| 04:31.26 | Blackshirt | Sm0keout, what the problem with bind9? |
| 04:31.27 | KsM | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.56 | Sm0ke0ut | I don't have a problem, davidHome is ;-) (or well, trying to setup a 2nd DNS) |
| 04:32.01 | korkman | vortek: er, what? your x server crashed and you're in shell? |
| 04:32.39 | Sm0ke0ut | I myself is using pdns |
| 04:32.51 | vortek | nope it just hangs at a blinking cursir in the upper left cornor. |
| 04:33.11 | vortek | and does nothing. |
| 04:33.18 | KsM | korkman: according do apt-cache and debian snapshot, nothing exists for xorg-video-abi(-11) |
| 04:33.52 | Blackshirt | Xserver-xorg-video-abi |
| 04:34.16 | vortek | korkman, any ideas? |
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| 04:34.50 | korkman | vortek: uh not really. wicd does a good job for me. |
| 04:34.59 | vortek | ok |
| 04:35.34 | vortek | brb going to install bitchx x and chat from my linux box |
| 04:35.39 | korkman | vortek: it has some driver related preferences |
| 04:36.36 | korkman | KsM: you must select the xorg packages and explicitly downgrade them |
| 04:37.13 | korkman | KsM: it's annoying i had to do that once. aptitude. |
| 04:38.09 | korkman | KsM: there's probably a way to signal the downgrade through apt pinning, but just entering each package and selecting the old version was straight forward |
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| 04:39.39 | korkman | KsM: (aptitude really wants to keep the more up-to-date versions of all packages) |
| 04:41.41 | KsM | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xserver-xorg-core/ |
| 04:42.56 | korkman | KsM: why should that page exist? |
| 04:43.21 | KsM | well, it said to enter the exact package name in the search |
| 04:43.27 | KsM | that's the exact package name |
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| 04:44.10 | korkman | oh i see snapshot lists available package versions then |
| 04:44.16 | KsM | it found http://snapshot.debian.org/package/xserver-xorg-video-intel/ |
| 04:44.20 | korkman | that service is smarter than i thought |
| 04:44.24 | rasusto | hello. I have been reading alot about the linux kernel and was wondering if it is possible to see how frequently the cpu switches from usermode to kernel mode? I realize it is very fast, but is it even possible to write a program to monitor this? |
| 04:44.28 | vsk | Does any know how weather applet in gnome update weather info? |
| 04:45.19 | tubaman | rasusto, I think 'top' already does that |
| 04:45.52 | korkman | http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/xserver-xorg-core/ |
| 04:46.12 | rasusto | tubaman: where/how? |
| 04:46.13 | korkman | KsM: there it is |
| 04:46.32 | korkman | KsM: search is dumb |
| 04:46.41 | KsM | ┐('～`；)┌ |
| 04:47.35 | korkman | KsM: (or rather, user error: search binary packages, not sources ;-p |
| 04:47.46 | KsM | Well I'm going to guess which version I need since dpkg doesn't tell me |
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| 04:47.58 | Guest80230 | I have a problem with ntp |
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| 04:48.45 | debby | would the command "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge package" remove the package and all it's installed dependencies and their config files (if any)? |
| 04:48.46 | tubaman | rasusto, run 'top' from a terminal. cpu is listed at the top broken down by user, system, nice, iowait, etc |
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| 04:49.07 | KsM | ugh. |
| 04:49.08 | korkman | KsM: i'd go by date: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/ |
| 04:49.10 | Guest80230 | how can I know if ntp is working? does a debug or vebose command exist? |
| 04:49.15 | tubaman | rasusto, "man top" will fill in the details |
| 04:49.28 | korkman | KsM: when was the last update that worked? |
| 04:49.32 | KsM | korkman: xorg core contains xorg-video-abi, yet dpkg tells me xorg-video-abi-11 is not installed |
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| 04:49.55 | KsM | korkman: it was until I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 04:50.18 | KsM | before everything sort of worked okay except that about once a week i915 would bug out |
| 04:50.37 | KsM | so I did an apt-cache search for i915 and found xserver-xorg-video-intel and installed it |
| 04:50.38 | rasusto | tubaman: I need it to show the cpu switching from kernel mode to user mode, and hardware interrupts. |
| 04:50.45 | korkman | did the intel driver install pull dependencies? |
| 04:50.50 | rasusto | top just shows processes |
| 04:50.53 | KsM | yes |
| 04:51.13 | tubaman | rasusto, 'top' shows hardware interrupts too |
| 04:51.33 | KsM | but quickly I noticed stuff was acting slow and that xorg would shoot up when doing minorly more graphically intensive things |
| 04:52.55 | korkman | KsM: it's a bit hard to guess what version was installed before because you pulled the update indirectly |
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| 04:53.02 | KsM | one thing is ncmpcpp, which has a audio visualiser, when I run it full screen in xfce, cpu usage for xorg goes to 80% and it's all laggy |
| 04:53.11 | KsM | in a tty it works fine |
| 04:53.47 | tubaman | rasusto, man top | grep -A 2 "Hardware IRQ" |
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| 04:55.28 | KsM | eh well |
| 04:55.29 | korkman | KsM: maybe go back to 2011-11-20, when the 2.17 version of the intel driver was uploaded to snaps |
| 04:56.23 | korkman | KsM: or plan B: upgrade to sid and see what happens |
| 04:56.33 | KsM | shivers |
| 04:57.59 | tubaman | prays for KsM |
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| 04:58.50 | KsM | 2.17 installed okay... |
| 04:59.01 | KsM | So I guess I'll restart xorg and see what happens |
| 04:59.15 | KsM | also, is there a way to auto make a xorg.conf |
| 04:59.26 | KsM | Xorg -configure doesn't work I think |
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| 04:59.41 | KsM | gives some error about there being more screens than configured devices |
| 04:59.44 | KsM | or something near that |
| 05:00.03 | davidHome | I can't find anyone who knows how to make bind recieve a zone transfer. |
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| 05:00.44 | korkman | KsM: yes, delete it. Xorg.conf is optional |
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| 05:02.25 | KsM | thank you. |
| 05:02.36 | KsM | 2.2.17 worked perfectly |
| 05:02.53 | KsM | now to find a way to make xorg never update again |
| 05:03.13 | korkman | put it on hold |
| 05:03.25 | KsM | I've always been afraid of updates breaking things, got over it, now I'm afraid again |
| 05:03.32 | KsM | How do I put it on hold? |
| 05:03.37 | KsM | possibly indefinitely? |
| 05:03.51 | korkman | launch aptitude, select package, press = |
| 05:04.01 | korkman | or aptitude hold package |
| 05:04.04 | KsM | is there a way with apt-get ? |
| 05:04.12 | korkman | or apt-get hold package :) |
| 05:04.43 | korkman | looks at manpage |
| 05:05.05 | korkman | mine doesn't mention hold for apt-get |
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| 05:05.11 | KsM | me either |
| 05:05.38 | korkman | well you shouldn't use apt-get anyways |
| 05:05.40 | KsM | There's --ignore-holds |
| 05:05.46 | KsM | I shouldn't...? |
| 05:05.48 | korkman | aptitude has both cli and curses |
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| 05:06.08 | korkman | and is compatible to apt-get cli for what i know |
| 05:06.19 | KsM | well yeah I know, but I was always told apt-get was somehow better and safer than aptitude |
| 05:06.24 | korkman | so whenever you'd apt-get install you can aptitude install |
| 05:06.30 | KsM | also oh god my typing is even showing up faster with this xorg downgrade |
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| 05:07.12 | korkman | yes i've had firefox render a single jpeg in 2 seconds |
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| 05:07.47 | KsM | I did aptitude hold xserver-xorg-video-intel, but apt-get still wants to upgrade it on apt-get upgrade |
| 05:07.52 | korkman | things can get really ugly when gpu stuff is being emulated because not supported by driver or "misunderstanding" xorg |
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| 05:08.03 | JoeHazzers | >but apt-get |
| 05:08.10 | JoeHazzers | apt-get and aptitude are not one and the same |
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| 05:08.42 | korkman | i was wondering if aptitude has it's own hold mechanism |
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| 05:09.24 | korkman | reads man dpkg |
| 05:09.46 | KsM | oh. |
| 05:10.01 | cads | do you guys have any idea where the heck kind of direction gnome3 is going? |
| 05:10.18 | korkman | cads: it's for the L-pad |
| 05:10.32 | cads | updated to debian testing to play with gnome3 |
| 05:10.36 | JoeHazzers | L-pad? |
| 05:10.39 | JoeHazzers | lilypad? |
| 05:10.47 | cads | without reading any of the reviews |
| 05:10.55 | cads | or testing it in a VM |
| 05:11.06 | cads | ... and now I strongly wish I hadn't :P |
| 05:11.40 | korkman | i was completely neutral towards gnome3 up to the point when i wanted a shell skript of mine to show up in launcher |
| 05:12.08 | korkman | they did not include any gui way to create a .desktop file |
| 05:12.11 | tubaman | korkman, just give in... gnome3 knows best |
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| 05:12.31 | KsM | jan@GLaDOS:~$ sudo dpkg --force-hold xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 05:12.32 | KsM | dpkg: error: need an action option |
| 05:12.33 | dpkg | KsM: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 05:12.44 | KsM | dpkg: rude :< |
| 05:12.44 | dpkg | KsM: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:12.49 | cads | korkman, what are you running for your desktop environment? |
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| 05:13.02 | korkman | cads: right now xfce4 |
| 05:13.09 | KsM | korkman: hold and --hold both tell me I'm not giving it an action option |
| 05:13.11 | korkman | cads: as in, "this week" |
| 05:13.14 | cads | korkman, are you in testing? |
| 05:13.17 | cads | yeah, me too |
| 05:14.00 | cads | I like xfce |
| 05:14.03 | korkman | okay i went though kde4, it was good, performance with xserver was horrible, so xfce |
| 05:14.09 | Tynach | Hi, I'm not sure if this is exactly Debian specific, but I installed the w3c validation service on my Debian server so that I could validate my local PHP site. However, it gives this error: "Sorry, the IP address of localhost is not public. For security reasons, validating resources located at non-public IP addresses has been disabled in this service." |
| 05:14.21 | cads | korkman, have you had any mysterious hangs? |
| 05:14.31 | JoeHazzers | that is in no way a debian specific issue |
| 05:14.38 | cads | also, are you in testing? |
| 05:14.56 | korkman | cads: yes testing (why else would i flee from gnome3?) |
| 05:14.59 | Tynach | JoeHazzers, was that for me? |
| 05:15.09 | cads | korkman, god forbid, you may be in sid :D |
| 05:15.12 | JoeHazzers | Tynach: it's clearly an issue with the w3 validator |
| 05:15.35 | korkman | cads: no mysterious hangs. i am in sid actually, i set to wheezy only a week ago or so |
| 05:16.04 | korkman | cads: sid / wheezy mix now |
| 05:16.05 | Tynach | JoeHazzers, is there a w3c support channel? I see #w3c, but it doesn't really appear to be a support channel by the topic. |
| 05:16.36 | cads | korkman, impressive |
| 05:16.45 | cads | I am not that brave yet :) |
| 05:17.08 | Tynach | JoeHazzers, and only 14 people there. |
| 05:18.34 | korkman | cads: mixing is relative, aptitude doesn't allow too much chaos anyways. debian is quite forgiving. on wheezy release, i can call my system stable :-) |
| 05:19.16 | korkman | add experimental, the secret not told about REALLY unstable branch |
| 05:19.23 | KsM | korkman: `echo "xserver-xorg-video-intel hold" | dpkg --set-selections` |
| 05:19.25 | KsM | :) |
| 05:19.29 | Lns | Tynach, try the software's website for support options. or the manpage |
| 05:19.41 | KsM | apparently that should work |
| 05:19.51 | korkman | KsM: thanks i was suspecting that dpkg holds the holds |
| 05:19.55 | Lns | sounds like a pretty straightforward thing, either it won't do it at all or there's an option to enable checking of local IPs |
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| 05:20.22 | cads | korkman, I'm going to try to get to the bottom of these xfce hangs.. they're killing me |
| 05:20.31 | KsM | Well, I got everything done |
| 05:20.33 | KsM | Thanks everyone |
| 05:20.37 | Tynach | JoeHazzers, Lns, I did some googling and eventually found an answer burried in a few obscure results. First place I tried was the software's website ;) But I think I've got the answer now. Testing. |
| 05:20.42 | KsM | especially korkman |
| 05:20.49 | Tynach | Yep, works. |
| 05:20.50 | korkman | cads: does the xserver restart or is the gui freezing? |
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| 05:21.00 | korkman | KsM: np have fun |
| 05:21.16 | cads | korkman, gui freezes, sometimes I can't get to a VT, even |
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| 05:21.31 | korkman | cads: ouch bad bad gfx driver |
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| 05:21.48 | cads | korkman, makes sense, this is a laptop |
| 05:21.55 | korkman | less an xfce issue than xserver-xorg-your-driver |
| 05:22.11 | korkman | just the same as KsM |
| 05:22.14 | cads | gnome is being well behaved, however, which is strange |
| 05:22.51 | cads | reads up to ksm's thread |
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| 05:23.58 | korkman | i'd imagine they use slightly different features for drawing, with mutter using less 2d features, implementing more with opengl |
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| 05:27.01 | cads | oh, I should say, sometimes the mouse cursor still moves, thought the panels are unresponsive, and the clock has stopped |
| 05:27.35 | korkman | that sounds like i/o stalling |
| 05:27.41 | cads | at these times I can still get to VTX |
| 05:28.06 | korkman | memory leak somewhere, causing swap, stalling i/o |
| 05:28.20 | korkman | if you can get to a vtx, check top |
| 05:28.34 | korkman | sort by memory, shift M |
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| 05:28.44 | korkman | (next time) |
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| 05:29.22 | korkman | the gnome3 upgrade also comes with slight instabilities in the gtk libraries |
| 05:29.34 | korkman | like extreme memory leaks ... |
| 05:30.38 | korkman | cads: change your gtk theme for xfce to adwaita btw |
| 05:30.53 | cads | why so? |
| 05:31.19 | korkman | smooths some things. like nautilus, which i do like for the vfs capabilities, is themed then |
| 05:31.31 | cads | hmm |
| 05:31.36 | cads | I'll be back in a moment |
| 05:31.41 | korkman | (and many other gtk apps) |
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| 05:39.14 | cads | oh, korkman what version of xfce are you running? |
| 05:40.37 | korkman | cads: 4.8.0.3 |
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| 05:58.22 | Guest84358 | hi |
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| 05:58.39 | Guest84358 | whats the suggested method for setting up iptables rules on boot? |
| 05:58.53 | Guest84358 | iptables init script is gone in newer debian versions |
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| 06:00.03 | korkman | create file /etc/iptables-up.rules , load with iptables-restore in /etc/network/interfaces on up |
| 06:00.29 | korkman | /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 06:00.52 | Guest84358 | thx! |
| 06:01.02 | korkman | post-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 06:01.19 | korkman | for /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 06:01.44 | Guest84358 | korkman that should apply rules before or after interfaces get up? |
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| 06:01.49 | korkman | something set that up that way, can't recall what it was :-) |
| 06:02.32 | korkman | post-up will be applied after all other up scripts have run i think |
| 06:03.13 | korkman | you put up and post-up rules right in the interfaces' stanza |
| 06:03.29 | korkman | like address, gateway, ... |
| 06:03.53 | korkman | also a good way to store routes and additional ips btw. |
| 06:04.01 | korkman | up ip addr add ... |
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| 06:29.29 | imgx64 | Is there a reason ext3 is the default filesystem in Squeeze? Does Wheezy also have it as the default? |
| 06:31.56 | korkman | imgx64: iirc ext4 wasn't marked stable yet when squeeze was released. any grave bugs would be fixed by now with the backported kernel patches |
| 06:32.21 | korkman | so now it's safe to use ext4 and it would make a good default choice for wheezy |
| 06:32.36 | korkman | but the installer is still ext3 default |
| 06:33.38 | korkman | ext3 has huge performance problems with deleting big files |
| 06:33.56 | korkman | no-go for vm images |
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| 06:35.57 | davo | Hi folks. Can anyone help with an atheros ethernet problem on my new laptop? |
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| 06:36.52 | vsk | Does anyone know how to configure weather applet |
| 06:37.29 | davo | Which applet? |
| 06:38.19 | imgx64 | korkman: Yes, I'm wondering why it's the installer default. Is it still the case in Wheezy? |
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| 06:39.15 | korkman | imgx64: yes, but installer refreshes short before release usually. let's see if there's a bug report for it yet ... |
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| 06:43.49 | korkman | imgx64: i don't see it on the wishlist and neither in the changelog |
| 06:44.25 | korkman | imgx64: someone should put it on the wishlist before it's too late :-) |
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| 07:16.23 | berinam | fabmashkurdotblogspotdotcom |
| 07:16.34 | fabylala | download movie here |
| 07:16.35 | berinam | download movie here |
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| 07:24.42 | Python1320 | Anyone knows how to do this? I have a path/file but it's not absolute, but I know folders where that path would be. How could I use something like the "which" tool but for files? |
| 07:25.02 | Python1320 | or rather, path/file search |
| 07:25.07 | JoeHazzers | man find |
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| 07:28.41 | byzantium | is there any the address for me to get the libgtk(i386) package |
| 07:28.44 | byzantium | thanks |
| 07:29.02 | JoeHazzers | Python1320: that or locate |
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| 07:29.45 | byzantium | the offical language is what? |
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| 07:30.02 | Python1320 | JoeHazzers, I think I'm just trying to overdo it. I'll just use a simple for loop and try to read the pathfile from all the base directories |
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| 07:49.49 | cwillu_at_work | Python1320, you're asking for an absolute path given a path that may or may not be? |
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| 07:50.26 | Python1320 | cwillu_at_work, more or less |
| 07:50.31 | cwillu_at_work | what language? |
| 07:50.36 | Python1320 | just bash |
| 07:51.00 | Python1320 | I'm just making it with simple for loop, works better that way :) |
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| 07:51.47 | Python1320 | Morten_, morning |
| 07:52.01 | Morten_ | Hello! =) |
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| 07:53.49 | fairway | hi all |
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| 07:54.27 | fairway | hi all |
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| 07:55.00 | fairway | if you use apache2 2 VirtualHosts in debian, do I still have to use the A record on the nameserver pointing to the 1 IP? |
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| 07:55.23 | fairway | So the dns server will forward the hostname |
| 07:55.33 | fairway | and apache2 is deciding which virtual host to use? |
| 07:55.37 | cwillu_at_work | JoeHazzers, future reference: readlink -f does what he wanted |
| 07:55.50 | cwillu_at_work | stabs the air left behind by Python1320 |
| 07:58.11 | fairway | sorry I know it is not a debian-specific question but I dont know where else to ask |
| 08:01.44 | JoeHazzers | cwillu_at_work: ouch, that hurt D: |
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| 08:02.54 | cwillu_at_work | fairway, both names need to resolve to the same machine, one way or another |
| 08:02.58 | cwillu_at_work | that's typically via dns |
| 08:03.42 | cwillu_at_work | VirtualHost just tells apache to that requests that give a particular hostname should be treated differently |
| 08:04.15 | cwillu_at_work | (i.e., the client makes a dns request for a hostname, gets the ip, connects to the ip, and sends the hostname to the host along with the rest of the request) |
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| 08:06.13 | fairway | cwillu_at_work: thanks, thats exactly what I thought |
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| 09:21.15 | avernos | i fix to run processing is to add a jdk java link on the processing root folder. on ubuntu should be like ln -sfn /opt/jdk1.6.0_29 java but i cant find it on debian, is it on etc? |
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| 09:42.45 | CMIU898 | Hi all |
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| 09:43.52 | CMIU898 | I have a problem that is driving me nuts since a few days. I have a Debian server with a SSH service that has been working like a charm, however since a couple of days ago, when I try to remotely SSH this machine I get. PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 09:43.56 | CMIU898 | Any idea how to fix this? |
| 09:44.20 | CMIU898 | PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
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| 09:46.49 | CMIU898 | I've also tried to SSH from another machine with PUTTY and I get the same behavior |
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| 09:49.07 | somiaj | could you have something eating up all the pty's on the server (such as screen/tmux or some other rogue application) |
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| 09:52.21 | somiaj | http://forums.quantact.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1149 -- might help youa s well CMIU898 -- for some reason you can't allocate a pty. Though I have not seen that issue on debian installs myself. |
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| 09:55.14 | CMIU898 | somiaj, thanks, I'll take a look to it |
| 09:55.29 | CMIU898 | somiaj, ohh I've tried that alrady |
| 09:55.37 | CMIU898 | but somehow |
| 09:55.45 | CMIU898 | none /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 |
| 09:55.55 | CMIU898 | That is not accepted by joy mount -a command, I get this: |
| 09:56.07 | CMIU898 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none, |
| 09:56.08 | CMIU898 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | CMIU898 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | CMIU898 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | CMIU898 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:56.26 | CMIU898 | sorry, I'll use pastebin |
| 09:57.50 | CMIU898 | Also mount /dev/pts says:mount: can't find /dev/pts in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 09:58.42 | hanibana | hi. My network gateway is Debian, which uses iptables/iproute... There're some users behind it which accessing internet through gateway. How can I see online TCP receive/send tranfer rate of clients?? |
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| 10:09.37 | CMIU898 | guys I really need help with my fstab file, I think is broken and I have no idea how to fix it |
| 10:09.43 | CMIU898 | can anybody please give a hand? |
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| 10:12.31 | dutchfish | hanibana, if this is only an incidental case, use iftop, if not delve into munin or cacti. |
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| 10:13.21 | ratatata | nu |
| 10:13.50 | megabraker | hi , am using logitech usb headphones and am getting toooo bad sound also when i use normal headphones am getting the same problem |
| 10:13.57 | megabraker | please any solution?? |
| 10:15.14 | babilen | CMIU898: There is nothing we can do if you don't tell us what is wrong. Please read "/msg dpkg smart questions" and provide as much information as possible. |
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| 10:17.37 | CMIU898 | babilen, I have a broken stab file here (http://pastebin.com/Rhw48BDA) and found out when trying to SSH the server (PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 error). I can't make the /devpts to mount, and I think the file is wrong. Can you please take a look to it and let me know what the problem is? Thanks. |
| 10:17.53 | CMIU898 | babilen, *fstab |
| 10:18.15 | megabraker | guys how to change the sound to stereo on debian >??? |
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| 10:22.52 | CMIU898 | babilen, could you see the file? |
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| 10:25.36 | CMIU898 | no clue? |
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| 10:29.49 | CMIU898 | This: |
| 10:29.49 | CMIU898 | none /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 |
| 10:29.54 | CMIU898 | Doesn't work when mounting: |
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| 10:30.15 | CMIU898 | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none, |
| 10:30.15 | CMIU898 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.18 | CMIU898 | ??? |
| 10:30.32 | CMIU898 | any idea? |
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| 10:30.51 | tremon | CMIU898: do you have a custom kernel |
| 10:30.53 | tremon | ? |
| 10:30.55 | CMIU898 | no |
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| 10:31.04 | CMIU898 | I've installed the Debian regular distro |
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| 10:32.02 | CMIU898 | any clue? |
| 10:32.09 | CMIU898 | I think my stab is broken |
| 10:32.12 | tremon | hmm... does grep devpts /proc/filesystems give any output? |
| 10:32.36 | CMIU898 | grep: /proc/filesystems: No such file or directory |
| 10:32.38 | babilen | CMIU898: Where is your fstab from? |
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| 10:32.59 | tremon | CMIU898: your fstab seems fine, but devpts is mounted through mountkernfs iirc |
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| 10:33.19 | tremon | CMIU898: so /proc isn't mounted either? |
| 10:33.33 | CMIU898 | babilen, what do you mean? the stab is from the original installation, you can see it here: http://pastebin.com/Rhw48BDA |
| 10:34.05 | CMIU898 | tremon, mount command says it is : proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 10:34.37 | tremon | but you have no /proc/filesystems? |
| 10:34.42 | babilen | CMIU898: No -- Debian does not use an entry for /dev/pts in the fstab, but uses init scripts (i.e. /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh) to create it. How did you install Debian? Which image did you use? What is the output of "apt-cache policy ; cat /etc/debian_version" ? (and please use http://paste.debian.net not pastebin.com) |
| 10:34.59 | CMIU898 | tremon, exactly, /proc is empty |
| 10:35.11 | tremon | then you have bigger problems than devpts |
| 10:35.16 | babilen | indeed |
| 10:35.25 | CMIU898 | what? |
| 10:36.24 | rgr | It means you're lost. Do the pasting babilen requested. |
| 10:36.34 | tremon | if /proc shows as mounted but is empty, then either kernel or your install is severely broken (or you're in rescue mode and /etc/mtab contains stale information) |
| 10:36.45 | CMIU898 | babilen; see here what you asked for: http://paste.debian.net/173635/ |
| 10:38.24 | CMIU898 | but this machine has been for 2 years just a web server, controlled via SSH, no other things have been made on it. two days ago I couldnt ssh anymore (PTY allocation request failed on channel 0) so I started to investigate reaching the fstab as possible problem..I mean, I didn't do any changes on the distro since I installed it |
| 10:39.26 | tremon | you didn't do any security updates either, from the looks of things |
| 10:40.08 | tremon | and stop messing about with /etc/fstab, it is not your problem |
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| 10:40.23 | CMIU898 | ok |
| 10:40.49 | rgr | how would I back up a list of packages I have installed in order to feed it into a new install for auto-restore from debian repos? I can generate from selected packages but not form already installed from what I can see. |
| 10:40.50 | CMIU898 | I was doubting because mount was complaining |
| 10:40.59 | babilen | CMIU898: Ok -- First and foremost: You are lagging behind and don't run an up-to-date system. Secondly: Your /etc/fstab was quite likely changed -- What happens if you remove the /dev/pts entry? Do you see errors during boot? You have to excuse me though as I have work to do now and can't investigate this in detail. I merely wanted to point out that we cannot help without further information. |
| 10:41.12 | babilen | !tell rgr -about aptitude clone |
| 10:41.14 | Ugly_Duck | whats the best way to have a secure tunnel between two computers over the internet? |
| 10:41.27 | rgr | merci |
| 10:41.41 | themill | Ugly_Duck: depends on what you want to tunnel |
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| 10:41.55 | CMIU898 | the machine has been on for 6 months so gfar |
| 10:42.08 | Ugly_Duck | themill: well, any data, to create it so that they're almost one network |
| 10:42.24 | CMIU898 | so I'm afraid of restarting now .. not sure if it will come alive again, what do you think? I need to get out from it all the back up first while is on |
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| 10:43.47 | CMIU898 | I commented in stab the proc line and done a mount -a without any errors |
| 10:43.54 | themill | Ugly_Duck: "data" isn't a network protocol. Are we talking about NFS shares? Are we talking about http proxying? |
| 10:44.16 | tremon | CMIU898: you obviously can still reach the box, so let's start simple... mount none -t proc /mnt && ls /mnt |
| 10:45.21 | Ugly_Duck | themill: sorry, i wish to join the two networks together, i guess like connecting to a vpn but wondering if vpn is the only way to do this |
| 10:45.26 | CMIU898 | tremon I reach the box thanks to Webmin console :), I get the following error when trying to mount none: http://paste.debian.net/173638/ |
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| 10:46.03 | CMIU898 | tremon, the command I executed was: mount none -t proc /mnt && ls /mnt |
| 10:46.12 | themill | Ugly_Duck: openvpn sounds quite plausible then. If you were just wanting to do something like http proxying, then an ssh tunnel should be enough. |
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| 10:47.04 | Ugly_Duck | themill: so if i wanted to setup an http proxy on that machine on the other end, i would just use squid and ssh tunnel? |
| 10:47.37 | themill | Ugly_Duck: depending on your usage, ssh's own interal SOCKS proxy might be enough |
| 10:47.58 | Ugly_Duck | ahh.. ok |
| 10:48.09 | Ugly_Duck | thanks for your input, i've learned something, fantastic |
| 10:48.15 | tremon | CMIU898: either the mount command or your kernel is broken. mounting proc should never fail. Since /proc is empty, I'm guessing the problem is your kernel. Restart from a known-safe kernel image before doing anything |
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| 10:49.04 | CMIU898 | tremon, so do you think that the machine is working in safe mode? |
| 10:49.46 | tremon | actually, I think the kernel underwent some code injection procedure |
| 10:50.11 | tremon | but maybe others have a less apocalyptic explanation |
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| 10:51.35 | CMIU898 | code injection? can you please give me more details, I'm still learning |
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| 10:52.33 | tremon | the box has been cracked, and can no longer be trusted to do what you want it to do |
| 10:54.12 | CMIU898 | ok understood |
| 10:54.25 | CMIU898 | I'm in the process of getting all the backups and will install from scarch |
| 10:54.47 | CMIU898 | one question that is out from this context but I will appreciate if you guys can give me an adnvice |
| 10:54.54 | tremon | that's sensible |
| 10:55.12 | rgr | why would his kernel have been targeted? Highly unlikely and mere conjection. |
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| 10:55.47 | rgr | In fairness you did say it was an apocalyptic suggestion.. |
| 10:56.01 | tremon | rgr: I know, but I have no better explanation for "can't mount proc: wrong fs type" and "/proc mounted but empty" |
| 10:56.18 | rgr | If he cant mount proc how come his system is working? |
| 10:56.41 | tremon | at a guess, no reboot since infection? |
| 10:57.02 | CMIU898 | we have this machine for an intranet we made, that can be accessed from outside, written in PHP, mysql, etc.. We used to have this machine for this, but obouvlsy we don't have time to maintain it, so I was thinking that perhaps the best solution is to move it to a dedicated server, where they can take care of this. What is your opinion guys local vs dedicated servers /vservers for small groups/businesses intranets? thanks |
| 10:57.18 | CMIU898 | the machine hasn't been rebooted since a while |
| 10:57.27 | CMIU898 | months I mean |
| 10:57.44 | rgr | why "obviously"? |
| 10:58.10 | rgr | and there is no link/comparison between "local/dedicated". |
| 10:58.56 | rgr | That is such a general Q with zero usage and no info about the company and resources that its simply impossible to suggest anything. |
| 10:59.08 | dusted_ | Sudoers file question, removing Defaults env_reset did not help me, I need to allow at least one user to use the -E (Preserve enviroment) option to sudo, however, the user is getting "sudo: sorry, you are not allowed to preserve the environment", I'm not sure why that is, I also tried Defaults !env_reset |
| 10:59.13 | tremon | CMIU898: you might still want to try rebooting the box, see what happens. Just preparing you for the worst-case scenario |
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| 11:00.12 | CMIU898 | tremon, yes I will, but first I will back up all what I can |
| 11:00.41 | rgr | And finally who is "they" when you say "they can take care of this" : did you mean 3rd poarty hosting where they take are of intrusion detection. |
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| 11:01.18 | CMIU898 | rgr, yes |
| 11:01.33 | CMIU898 | rgr, OS security updates, backing, etc.. |
| 11:01.39 | CMIU898 | *backuping |
| 11:02.01 | rgr | they dont necessarily take care of backing. I, for example, use my own cron scripts to do that for my mysql rdbmss on hostgator. |
| 11:02.22 | CMIU898 | rgr, yes, but where do you put them? |
| 11:02.29 | CMIU898 | rgr, do you download them? |
| 11:02.37 | rgr | tremon was giving you worst case. I woul dbet a penny to a pound you havent been injected. |
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| 11:02.58 | rgr | me? I have the cron scripts stick them into got on hostgator and pull them locally occasionaly. |
| 11:03.03 | rgr | s/got/git |
| 11:03.18 | CMIU898 | rgr, I will try a reboot, but just want to make sure that my fstab is ok and will not crahs |
| 11:03.19 | rgr | nothing life criticial |
| 11:03.38 | rgr | wel you havent made sure of anything so far, other that to be warned your system might not restart. |
| 11:03.43 | CMIU898 | rgr, it's here: http://paste.debian.net/173638/ |
| 11:04.18 | rgr | that tells nothing. You dont list your fstab or the command you used to mount from it. |
| 11:04.56 | rgr | (not that Im an fstab expert but keep all the material people like babilen/tremon need together - makes life much easier) |
| 11:05.17 | rgr | e.g in this case : contents of fstab, command used to mout from it, dmesg output all in one paste) |
| 11:05.18 | CMIU898 | I listed my fstab in the link I gave you |
| 11:05.37 | rgr | no you didnt. |
| 11:05.44 | rgr | http://paste.debian.net/173638/ |
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| 11:06.45 | rgr | but I guess you get my drift about providing all relevant material in one paste : its just easier ;) Best of luck on the reboot! be sure to back up your mysql rdbms. I assume you have a copy of the php code base elsewhere too? |
| 11:06.56 | tremon | http://pastebin.com/Rhw48BDA was his fstab |
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| 11:07.21 | dusted_ | setenv, do'h |
| 11:07.24 | CMIU898 | rgr, sorry, wrong link, this one: http://pastebin.com/Rhw48BDA |
| 11:07.52 | babilen | CMIU898: Didn't you say that you commented /proc? (Which is a mistake and the /proc line in there is perfectly fine) |
| 11:08.32 | babilen | CMIU898: You do, however, want to remove the devpts line as this is handled by init scripts. (cf. my earlier comment) |
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| 11:09.56 | rgr | and hence keep all info together ;) |
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| 11:10.06 | CMIU898 | babilen, yes I commented it and mounted -a with no errors, but I have uncommented it again back to the original situation |
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| 11:11.11 | CMIU898 | ok, thank you guys for your help |
| 11:11.26 | babilen | Good luck |
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| 11:11.40 | CMIU898 | :) crossing fingers |
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| 11:18.05 | user101 | hello, what kernel has debian 6? |
| 11:18.21 | xand | 2.6.32 |
| 11:18.36 | user101 | why they don't use 3.0? |
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| 11:19.00 | xand | because it came out after squeeze was frozen |
| 11:19.10 | xand | 3.2 is available via backports |
| 11:19.35 | hanibana | dutchfish: iftop was really nice. thanks :) |
| 11:19.36 | user101 | it mean i can install it without problems? |
| 11:19.41 | babilen | user101: yes |
| 11:19.45 | babilen | !tell user101 -about bdo kernel |
| 11:19.45 | user101 | good |
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| 11:20.37 | user101 | and why choose debian instead ubuntu, i would like to know because i'm not sure which distro to install |
| 11:21.28 | babilen | !tell user101 -about why debian |
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| 11:22.15 | babilen | user101: Try them both and use whatever you like best. Please note that #debian only support Debian and not Ubuntu, which is IMHO a strong argument in favour of Debian. |
| 11:22.41 | aber | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.57 | rgr | what is the experience of 3.2 from backports? |
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| 11:24.41 | tremon | rgr: experience? It has more drivers, that's about it. And there's newer firmware in backports, which tends to help users with recent radeon cards |
| 11:25.23 | rgr | I thought it had that new "uber fix" which greatly increased desktop rendering? Or has that been in squeeze for ages? I kond of lost track (its nice sitting on squeeze when it works! ;)) |
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| 11:27.12 | user101 | it is possible to install gnome 3 in debian? work well? |
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| 11:27.33 | tremon | user101: no gnome 3 for squeeze |
| 11:28.33 | user101 | the sid version has problem, i need to use it like main os on my laptop with gnome 3 |
| 11:28.42 | tremon | rgr: which one do you mean? The über one was the introduction of kernel modesetting, which is in squeeze. Mesa 8.0 introduces (almost complete) opengl3 compatibility, which is in testing iirc |
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| 11:30.09 | tremon | user101: the wheezy freeze could be Real Soon Now (tm) |
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| 11:31.36 | rgr | I wonder if my 4s will mount with 3.2. A real pain ( and please no anti-apple wibbling ;)). Though its more to do with libimobile. |
| 11:31.47 | rgr | anywayz, cya. |
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| 12:21.42 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
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| 12:25.47 | CyberDomovoy | i have a raid5+lvm+xfs partition. Lately, i extended my raid array with a new disk, but i screwed up and the partition i created on the new disk is misaligned by 3072 bytes. Can this be the reason wy some of my programs (and eventually the whole system after some time) freeze? (those are program which intensively use the raid array) What is the right way to resize that partition so that it is correcly aligned? |
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| 12:39.51 | yeshellothere | i'm running wheezy, and for some reason typing 'ae' in any gtk entry box changes it to 'æ' |
| 12:39.56 | yeshellothere | what gives, anyone come across this? |
| 12:40.11 | dimir | Aaaaaaaaaeeeeeeee! |
| 12:40.15 | yeshellothere | indeed! |
| 12:40.20 | dimir | Aaaaaaaaaayeah! |
| 12:40.30 | yeshellothere | i have no idea if that's even how it's supposed to work |
| 12:40.32 | yeshellothere | i'm so ignorant |
| 12:40.45 | petemc | i dont see any difference |
| 12:40.46 | dimir | It's gtk man. |
| 12:40.54 | dimir | petemc: :-D |
| 12:41.01 | yeshellothere | dimir: that would explain why it's happening in gtk3 |
| 12:41.14 | ChrisH | Bug 653489 (RM: xmcd -- RoQA; orphaned, low popcon, replacements) states removal of cddb and xmcd from unstable as replacements exist. I am unbale to find any replacemnt. I need cddb lookups inside a perl script to create mp3s from CDs. |
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| 12:44.22 | themill | ChrisH: "apt-cache search cddb perl" turns up quite a few perl modules that do cddb lookups for you |
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| 12:47.04 | ChrisH | themill: I saw them. No CLI stuff left over? Using these modules would need to redesign my script. |
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| 12:47.25 | chineseboy | ciao |
| 12:47.44 | Gentoo64 | !list |
| 12:47.45 | dpkg | gentoo64: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 12:48.05 | themill | ChrisH: well using a perl module is always going to be a better plan than calling out to an external command |
| 12:48.08 | chineseboy | !list |
| 12:48.09 | dpkg | chineseboy: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:48.50 | xand | why are the "|list" responses in italian? |
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| 12:49.14 | Gentoo64 | xand: theyre the only people who use the command |
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| 12:49.17 | Gentoo64 | lol |
| 12:49.29 | themill | xand: because the requester is always Italian. |
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| 12:49.48 | ChrisH | themill: I sadly know... |
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| 12:50.48 | chineseboy | ciao |
| 12:50.51 | chineseboy | !list |
| 12:50.51 | dpkg | chineseboy: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 12:51.23 | T_oink | Hello, I've got something rather strange. I'm trying to telnet from my linux pc to a server on port 25 and it just returns 'connection timed out', if i do this from my mediacenter all works... any ideas? I don't have Iptables active it's a default debian install |
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| 12:51.32 | chineseboy | !list |
| 12:51.32 | dpkg | chineseboy: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 12:51.34 | xand | weird. |
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| 12:51.50 | xand | themill: weird. |
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| 13:08.45 | engla | What does "Architecture: any-i386" mean? |
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| 13:11.31 | MOHCTP | engla: x86 |
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| 13:12.10 | MOHCTP | engla: 386, 486, 586, 686 |
| 13:12.14 | themill | engla: i386, hurd-i386, kfreebsd-i386 |
| 13:12.16 | themill | MOHCTP: no |
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| 13:12.44 | themill | engla: (i386 being implicitly linux-i386) |
| 13:12.45 | MOHCTP | themill: wow, sorry sorry |
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| 13:13.04 | ahwan | register here and get rs 99/- (2 us $ instantly) http://www.PaisaLive.com/register.asp?5037745-3955188 |
| 13:13.13 | erinaceus_ | Evening, I'm trying to set up my 3 displays using 2 video cards (nvidia,radeon). I've gotten to the point, where all 3 are working, but the two that are connected to the nvidia card are mirrored and not seperate screens. The log says it's deleting Screen 1 because it didnt find a suitable config. Could some check my config? http://sprunge.us/LJSO |
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| 13:13.39 | rgr | use the nvidia-settings app. works well. |
| 13:14.00 | erinaceus_ | rgr: Isnt that for the nvidia drivers? I'm using nouveau |
| 13:14.01 | boycottFB | erinaceus_: try "xrandr" |
| 13:14.12 | rgr | oh then good luck |
| 13:14.27 | erinaceus_ | boycottFB: Xrandr wont work, because it drops support somewhere during the init of X |
| 13:14.30 | rgr | nouveaue supports xrandr extensiosn? |
| 13:14.43 | rgr | xrandr is simply awful. |
| 13:15.04 | boycottFB | rgr: xrandr is good |
| 13:15.08 | themill | engla: §11.1 of policy is relevant here |
| 13:15.20 | erinaceus_ | Log is at: http://sprunge.us/HUhb |
| 13:15.52 | boycottFB | erinaceus_: if you use gnome you could try with the gnome monitor settings, it allows to toggle mirror mode on/off |
| 13:16.05 | rgr | xrandr is a mess. Its poorly supported, complex and there is little if any documentation which explains how to make things persistant. I see issues with daily here and in linux support forums : and this would not be the case if it was good. I have reverted to xorg.conf after battling with it for ages. |
| 13:16.14 | erinaceus_ | boycottFB: That wont work without the randr support. |
| 13:16.32 | rgr | and gnome monitor settings are even worse. |
| 13:17.55 | erinaceus_ | Well, I'm gonna try installing the nvidia drivers |
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| 13:21.08 | erinaceus_ | And it failed, because of different gcc versions, is the exact version relevant? It needs 4.3 I got 4.4 |
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| 13:22.20 | jelly-hme | rgr: nvidia blob drivers started supporting xrandr 1.3 with v. 302.x |
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| 13:23.14 | themill | dpkg: tell erinaceus_ about nvidia compiler fix |
| 13:23.18 | jelly-hme | it's unfortunate it has no persistant configuration by default, but most DEs deal with that these days. My xfce and kde seem to. |
| 13:24.54 | erinaceus_ | I see .. |
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| 13:29.31 | proby | hi , am having too much problems with sound , but the last one is that the quality is very bad and i don't know how to improve it , i had allready comiled the codec from intel yes the sound works but the quality is still null |
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| 13:33.43 | gadago | #linux |
| 13:33.53 | engla | themill: I see, thanks! |
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| 13:44.58 | dgeary2 | i chrooted from the installer in rescue mode into a filesystem on which is installed debian squeeze. i tried to install a package however 'Unknown terminal: bterm' is displayed by whiptail and it aborts package configuration. how to configure another package configuration frontend or how to get whiptail to work? |
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| 14:02.18 | zagabar | Hmm I updated the debian sid installation on my pc and now I have no audio. D: speaker-test works for root, but gives no sound for my user. I've seen no error messages from applications or anything, and my user is in the audio group. I am not sure on how to debug more. I tried uninstalling alsa-base and pulseaudio followed by installing them again |
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| 14:03.09 | zagabar | Related to the audio, I did place a line in modprobe blacklist to try to get rid of noisy sped up flash audio in chrome, but I did remove that line again so I don't _think_ that broke anything.. |
| 14:03.19 | zagabar | Any ideas on things that I could check? |
| 14:03.24 | g0dfrey | zagabar: firmware? |
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| 14:04.20 | ZitZ | hi, i'm trying to use hdparm to put my external SATA hard disk to sleep, it used to work, but now when I try hdparm -Y /dev/sdb it doesn't work, I'm thinking maybe I took the drive out without stopping it and now it still thinks it is sleeping. Is there any way to reset it, or does anyone know what it could be? |
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| 14:06.05 | zagabar | g0dfrey: Sorry, but how do I check that? |
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| 14:07.13 | Iridos | zagabar, generally, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 14:07.17 | g0dfrey | zagabar: you may try firmware-linux-nonfree...I guess |
| 14:07.27 | Iridos | not sure how much of it is useful if it broke in an upgrade |
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| 14:08.19 | Iridos | did you check if /dev/snd/* still has the correct rights for the audio group? |
| 14:08.28 | Iridos | Does dmesg have any related errors? |
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| 14:09.32 | zagabar | the card is an Intel (ICH10 Family) HD Audio controller, anyway. Digging up more info, sec |
| 14:09.56 | zagabar | dev/snd/* has permissions "root audio" so the audio groups is there I suppose. |
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| 14:10.52 | Iridos | does it have rw?rw?--? |
| 14:11.01 | zagabar | I cna see the sound card being set up in dmesg. No errirs. |
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| 14:11.21 | zagabar | Iridos: crw-rw---T+ |
| 14:11.37 | Iridos | huh, what's T+? |
| 14:11.46 | zagabar | No idea |
| 14:12.18 | Iridos | t is sticky bit, T is maybe sticky bit, but no "x" |
| 14:12.24 | Iridos | but there's really a plus after that? |
| 14:12.31 | zagabar | But it does actually have two symlinks in /dev/snd/by-path that are "root root" |
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| 14:12.36 | zagabar | Yeah, there is a plus after. |
| 14:12.38 | Iridos | oh, I have the + as well |
| 14:12.41 | Iridos | but not the sticky bit |
| 14:12.49 | Iridos | crw-rw----+ |
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| 14:14.40 | Sidney__ | when installing to an ssd should i use the option noatime? |
| 14:14.53 | Iridos | actually no idea what the sticky bit does on a device, neither, what the + means... only some devices have that |
| 14:15.46 | D[4]ni | how would i got best for creating a .deb package with a default configuration file that isn't automatically replaced when i update the package? |
| 14:16.31 | D[4]ni | like apache does it with their /etc/apache2/*.conf |
| 14:17.17 | Iridos | I'd say you have postinstall copy/create that config file and ask the user if they want that |
| 14:17.56 | D[4]ni | isn't there some command which automatically does that asking? |
| 14:18.32 | zagabar | Iridos: I see. Do you have an idea on other things that I could look for? |
| 14:19.37 | zagabar | Can I reconfigure alsa somehow? |
| 14:19.45 | Iridos | D[4]ni, look at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files in the policy, 10.7.3 Behavior... you can also ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net on more details if nobody here knows |
| 14:20.34 | Iridos | zagabar, did you try the stuff from "alsa checklist"? |
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| 14:21.26 | zagabar | Iridos: Will look |
| 14:22.03 | bardzusny | zagabar: do "chmod -R g+rw /dev/snd" just to be sure |
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| 14:22.37 | bardzusny | also, does alsamixer work? what errors are there in command prompt when you're trying to play audio? (launch some application in terminal and watch for output, chromium+youtube does it) |
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| 14:23.43 | D[4]ni | also, i need some files to be world-writable. should i just adjust the privileges in a postinst script? |
| 14:23.59 | D[4]ni | or are there any other, more recommended ways to do that? |
| 14:24.11 | zagabar | bardzusny: Did that chmod. Will try to relog. Alsamixer works and nothing is low or muted. I tried vlc, xmms and chrome+youtube and none give any error output |
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| 14:24.58 | bardzusny | zab |
| 14:25.00 | bardzusny | zagabar: |
| 14:25.10 | bardzusny | what packages were upgraded when it broke? |
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| 14:25.49 | zagabar | bardzusny: Hmmm can I check a history or something? I am on sid and hadn't upgraded for a month or so and I did a dist-upgrade. So lots and lots. |
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| 14:27.26 | zagabar | But odd, it works in the gdm3 login screen, it gives me that sound thump when it shows the login box. And it works for root. |
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| 14:28.41 | zagabar | I have two soundcards btw. Perhaps that causes my problem? The number 0 card is an intel HD audio card which is the one I want to use. |
| 14:29.07 | zagabar | And both cards are listed in /proc/asound/cards and /proc/asound/modules |
| 14:29.11 | bardzusny | I say unload modules for the second one |
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| 14:30.05 | Iridos | zagabar, actually, did it ever work since the upgrade? Does fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* (preferrably as root) show anything? |
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| 14:30.50 | zagabar | bardzusny: With rmmod <second card module> it says "error: it is in use" can the problem be that it is the one receiving the audio? But why would that be the case for my user, and not root |
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| 14:31.39 | bardzusny | simple option is to blacklist it and reboot, and another is to lsmod and first rmmod modules that /depend/ on your second card module |
| 14:31.57 | bardzusny | (at least that's how it always looked when I did it :) |
| 14:32.38 | zagabar | Iridos: It worked after the upgrade, but not when I rebooted. And that command shows "/dev/snd/controlC0 3479; /dev/snd/controlC1 3479; /dev/snd/pcmC1D0p 3479m" |
| 14:32.53 | zagabar | bardzusny: I'll try thans |
| 14:33.29 | Iridos | zagabar, ps aux |grep 3479 |
| 14:33.39 | Iridos | or actually |
| 14:33.48 | Iridos | ps aux |grep 34[7]9 |
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| 14:34.37 | jelly-home | ps -fp 3479 |
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| 14:34.52 | zagabar | Iridos: Woops restarded already. Will try that if the output looks the same. What is the [7] for? |
| 14:35.05 | Iridos | just preventing the grep to show the gre4p |
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| 14:35.34 | Iridos | "grep 3479" matches itself in the process list, grep 34[7]9 does not |
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| 14:36.07 | zagabar | Iridos: Oh I see. and 34[7]9 is a regexp that evaluates to the same numbers |
| 14:36.08 | zagabar | ? |
| 14:36.18 | Iridos | right |
| 14:36.33 | Iridos | [0-9] is any number between 0 to 9 |
| 14:36.43 | Iridos | [7] is any number that is 7 |
| 14:37.00 | zagabar | :D |
| 14:37.17 | Iridos | [234] is 2, 3 or 4 |
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| 14:37.36 | bardzusny | ps aux | grep [3][4][7][9] |
| 14:37.41 | zagabar | I see. |
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| 14:38.24 | themill | or just "ps aux 3479" even... |
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| 14:38.44 | themill | err.. ps u 3479 |
| 14:38.51 | bardzusny | nah, that's too complicated |
| 14:38.57 | bardzusny | :p |
| 14:38.58 | zagabar | bardzusny: Hmm restarted now, with "snd_ice1712" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but /proc/asound/modules still list both "snd_hda_intel" and "snd_ice1712" :S |
| 14:39.31 | Iridos | themill, but that also gives you 2 lines of output, while my goal was to have only one |
| 14:39.37 | Iridos | :D |
| 14:39.39 | zagabar | Iridos: and now with the fuser command, /dev/dsp does not exist, and /dev/snd lists as 3478. And I'll check those now. |
| 14:40.09 | zagabar | Iridos: Pulseaudio is the process. |
| 14:40.12 | Iridos | ha |
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| 14:41.01 | themill | Iridos: then "ps uh" ... |
| 14:41.15 | zagabar | But how did the snd_ice1712 module get loaded when listed in the blacklist file? :S Does it have to be in the alsa-base-blacklist.conf perhaps? |
| 14:41.16 | Iridos | uh |
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| 14:42.02 | bardzusny | zagabar: for debugging I'd turn pulseaudio off entirely...but maybe I'm saying this just because I don't use it |
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| 14:45.52 | Iridos | themill, that sounds too uncertain :) |
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| 14:46.22 | zagabar | bardzusny: Yeah, that could be a good idea. I've in the past solved problems by disabling it lol |
| 14:46.43 | Iridos | and you might just about now |
| 14:46.49 | bardzusny | all this new technology... |
| 14:46.54 | Iridos | why'd you enable it? it's not installed by default in debian |
| 14:46.59 | Iridos | s/enable/install/ |
| 14:47.07 | zagabar | Iridos: It was for me? :O I think. |
| 14:47.23 | Iridos | yes! |
| 14:47.35 | sphenxes | For several days I am searching on the internet for building my new pc. I can't resolve the compatiblity of my mobo with debian squeeze. Would you please tell me if the Asrock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 Sockel 1155 Mainboard compatible or should i go to Asrock P67 PRO3 Mainboard Sockel 1155. |
| 14:48.04 | zagabar | Iridos: seems to be a part of gnome and gnome-core |
| 14:48.12 | Iridos | no way |
| 14:48.42 | zagabar | Well, it did remove "gnome gnome-core" with "apt-get remove pulseaudio" |
| 14:48.50 | zagabar | Perhaps that is a new thing that was in the update? |
| 14:49.26 | bardzusny | gnome-core depends on pulseaudio, confirmed |
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| 14:49.37 | Iridos | eww |
| 14:49.45 | bardzusny | how is pulseaudio stopped? /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop? |
| 14:50.00 | zagabar | bardzusny: I tried that but the process was still running. SO I uninstalled it now just to see. |
| 14:50.01 | Iridos | dpkg, pulseaudio |
| 14:50.02 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:50.20 | bardzusny | try killing pulseaudio process |
| 14:50.21 | Iridos | hm, says nuffin about becoming default for gnome |
| 14:50.25 | bardzusny | unless you already removed gnome ;) |
| 14:50.37 | zagabar | bardzusny: I did lol |
| 14:50.53 | zagabar | and now audio doesn't work for root either :( |
| 14:51.13 | Iridos | progress \o/ |
| 14:51.17 | bardzusny | but...linux-sound-base and alsa-utils are still installed? |
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| 14:52.22 | zagabar | bardzusny: Hmm not linux-sound-base apparently. And when I apt-get install it, it wants to remove alsa-base |
| 14:52.42 | zagabar | Is that good? |
| 14:53.01 | Sidney__ | Debian uses ext3 or ext4 by default |
| 14:53.02 | zagabar | And I have a fat bunch of no-longer-required packages with gnome uninstalled xD |
| 14:53.17 | Iridos | ext3 in stable |
| 14:53.26 | Sidney__ | k |
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| 14:54.44 | Iridos | ext4 came out too close to the release of squeeze to be included and get a proper testing phase... but using ext4 is an option in the installer |
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| 14:56.15 | Iridos | wtf |
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| 14:56.25 | Iridos | one of my 2 monitors just went black |
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| 14:56.39 | Iridos | that's NO way to behave! |
| 14:56.45 | zagabar | Once you go black, you can't go back ;D |
| 14:56.54 | Iridos | :( |
| 14:57.41 | Sidney__ | all of this trouble this ssd better be worth the efford |
| 14:58.46 | zagabar | Omfg! Iridos, bardzusny: Sound works now after uninstalling pulseaudio and installing linux-sound-base which removed alsa-base. |
| 14:59.06 | Debolaz | bought his first SSD 2 weeks ago. |
| 14:59.20 | zagabar | But I guess it is quite ugly to have the gnome package uninstalled, since it asks me to remove a lot of packages. |
| 14:59.31 | Debolaz | And all I use it for is to run Ubuntu on a virtual machine. Seems like a big waste of money. :) |
| 14:59.39 | zagabar | So I should perhaps disable pulseaudio instead of uninstallling it |
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| 15:00.06 | zagabar | Thanks for the help a lot, Iridos and bardzusny :) |
| 15:01.44 | bardzusny | zagabar: update-rc.d pulseaudio disable |
| 15:01.50 | bardzusny | yw |
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| 15:09.59 | D[4]ni | i need some files in a .deb package to be world-writable after installing. should i just adjust the privileges using chmod in a postinst script? or are there other, more recommended ways to do that? |
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| 15:14.49 | jelly-home | D[4]ni: being world-writable implies something might change them. If that's the case, are you sure you want to put them in as part of the package at all, instead of generating/copying them at postinst time for a template or something? |
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| 15:16.45 | nsadmin | D[4]ni, is this a package that's already in debian that you wish to install and then chmod some of the files? or your own package which you're authoring and building? |
| 15:17.09 | D[4]ni | nsadmin: my own one |
| 15:17.20 | D[4]ni | jelly-home: i guess that's a good idea |
| 15:17.39 | nsadmin | oh ok... could you say more about what the purpose of having these files world writable? |
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| 15:19.52 | D[4]ni | meh, client crashed |
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| 15:22.21 | nsadmin | D[4]ni, oh ok... could you say more about what the purpose of having these files world writable? |
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| 15:22.54 | D[4]ni | one major problem is probably that the program itself is not written by me, and its source is not open, i just distribute the program together with some scripts for it |
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| 15:23.13 | D[4]ni | so i can't just put my config files in a subdirectory of ~ |
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| 15:23.46 | obiwahn | is iceweasel 10 ~ firefox 10 ? |
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| 15:24.45 | nsadmin | because the program won't read them in that location (and can't be told where else to look)? |
| 15:25.46 | D[4]ni | exactly that |
| 15:28.15 | nsadmin | ok, does the package represent something which is a shared resource (like cups "represents" a printer)? |
| 15:28.23 | jhutchins | obiwahn: Yes, same code. |
| 15:28.42 | obiwahn | so debian is a bit behind .. |
| 15:28.55 | obiwahn | well thats - ok:) |
| 15:29.22 | D[4]ni | well, no. i'm just trying to figure out if i can give that program command line parameters to read the configuration from a different location |
| 15:29.56 | nsadmin | D[4]ni, and if you can, not needed to chmod? |
| 15:30.20 | nsadmin | (so this is not a daemon?) |
| 15:30.23 | nsadmin | and, brb |
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| 15:30.32 | D[4]ni | no daemon. |
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| 15:30.44 | themill | obiwahn: iceweasel/firefox version 10 is an "extended support release" and is what will be released in wheezy. Something that only has 5 minutes of support isn't very good for a stable release. |
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| 15:31.03 | themill | obiwahn: version 13 is in experimental and on mozilla.debian.net |
| 15:31.42 | Nik05 | hey guys where can i find a standard for making programs (how to packages, what do i need to include like README LICENSE etc?) |
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| 15:32.06 | Nik05 | not really debian specific, but what standards are used? |
| 15:32.21 | taris | hi everybody ..is people.debian.org down? |
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| 15:33.10 | obiwahn | Nik05: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 15:33.46 | Nik05 | ok thanks |
| 15:34.57 | taris | or is there a mirror for people.debian.org? |
| 15:35.01 | nsadmin | taris, I haven't heard of people.d.o for close to a decade |
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| 15:36.25 | taris | never heard about it until now either :) ..problem is that i need a tarball from there |
| 15:36.29 | D[4]ni | nsadmin: i am indeed able to change the configuration directory, but there's still a problem with that |
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| 15:36.43 | D[4]ni | script directory = configuration directory |
| 15:37.14 | clixsense | hi |
| 15:37.25 | D[4]ni | which means i have to copy all the scripts to each user's $HOME |
| 15:37.25 | nsadmin | would it be useful for configuration to specify script path? |
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| 15:37.59 | nsadmin | clixsense, hi, welcome to debian support. |
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| 15:38.09 | D[4]ni | there is no "script path" setting in that program, just "configuration path" which is also automatically the script path |
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| 15:38.45 | clixsense | join http://www.clixsense.com/?4005905 and click and task and win very much |
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| 15:42.01 | nsadmin | D[4]ni, what I hear you saying is you want any user to soecify configurarion but not necessarily write these scripts |
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| 15:42.45 | D[4]ni | i want the scripts to be in a central location, and the configuration in $HOME |
| 15:42.52 | nsadmin | what if you copied configuration to their home dir together with a symlink farm to scripts? |
| 15:43.04 | D[4]ni | that would be a way. |
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| 15:43.25 | sonnie_ | hi there. i removed a hard disk and forgot to comment the corresponding line in /etc/fstab. after reboot, the system hangs there and i can't remount -rw /, it reports busy. now what shall i do? |
| 15:44.17 | nsadmin | one thing, you may or may not be able to prevent a user from removing a symlink in their homedir to the script in central loc and replacing it with their own script |
| 15:44.25 | nsadmin | would you want to allow that? |
| 15:44.30 | jhutchins | sonnie_: Try booting into rescue or single user mode. |
| 15:44.37 | Nik05 | guys is it possible to lock a tty? |
| 15:44.48 | D[4]ni | well, if they want to mess up, it's okay |
| 15:45.01 | Nik05 | so not logging out but locking the tty |
| 15:45.14 | Nik05 | sort of C-A-DEL |
| 15:45.18 | Nik05 | i mean L |
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| 15:45.19 | nsadmin | ok, perhaps the symlink farm to the scripts is an idea worth considering |
| 15:45.20 | Nik05 | not del |
| 15:45.21 | jhutchins | Nik05: Yes, but if they have physical access to the machine it's impossible to fully secure it. |
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| 15:45.48 | Nik05 | oh but just a simple lock? |
| 15:45.48 | D[4]ni | i'll probably place the configuration in a hidden .dir - it's all configurable using the gui anyway |
| 15:45.59 | Nik05 | its a desktop pc |
| 15:46.03 | jhutchins | Nik05: http://linux.die.net/man/1/vlock |
| 15:46.11 | Nik05 | thanks |
| 15:46.18 | nsadmin | and you would provide a program to place a configuration dir in their home |
| 15:46.41 | D[4]ni | i'll write a wrapper script that does all the necessary work. |
| 15:46.46 | D[4]ni | then start the program. |
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| 15:48.13 | nsadmin | remember that (as per debian policy) the -packaging- is not permitted to touch home dirs, for example you shouldn't iterate over all plain users putting stuff in their home when the package is installed |
| 15:48.40 | nsadmin | I don't know if you want to follow policy or not, just saying |
| 15:48.40 | Nik05 | jhutchins thanks works the way i wanted to :) |
| 15:48.43 | D[4]ni | i know. the wrapper script will do that. |
| 15:48.49 | nsadmin | ok |
| 15:49.02 | Nik05 | well not really |
| 15:49.19 | Nik05 | as a user you can also lock root out |
| 15:49.57 | D[4]ni | anyway, i'll have to reorganize the scripts a bit, at the moment it's putting some config files inside the scripts directory. but i'll change that now. |
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| 15:57.27 | jhutchins | Nik05: Easy go get arouind that. |
| 15:57.43 | jhutchins | Nik05: root can't see your screen though. |
| 15:58.04 | jhutchins | Man, skype takes forever to time out on a bad password. |
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| 15:59.45 | nahhh | Is it possible to attach multiple ip addresses to one interface by specifying CIDR block? |
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| 16:02.21 | jhutchins | nahhh: It is possible to set multiple ip adddresses on one interface by specifying the addresses. |
| 16:02.27 | jamesd | nahhh, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-creating-or-adding-new-network-alias-to-a-network-card-nic/ |
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| 16:07.09 | nahhh | jhutchins, jamesd thanks, i get the idea, but isn't there an easier way to do this: http://pastebin.com/eMMU23MG ? |
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| 16:07.38 | mirak | hi |
| 16:07.47 | jamesd | nahhh, its basicly a copy and paste operation with a couple changes, if you don't need it permanent... its one command |
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| 16:08.03 | jamesd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.10 | jamesd | er ip_address up |
| 16:08.11 | mirak | is there a way to backup / with the system running ? |
| 16:08.32 | mirak | excluding automatically the system mounts |
| 16:08.42 | nahhh | Well, yeah, but... You know, what if you have 254 addresses to assign? |
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| 16:08.53 | nahhh | You do like i did for these 4? |
| 16:08.58 | mirak | just as if I ran from a live cd and copied the content of the partition |
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| 16:09.28 | mirak | I am not running LVM, just ext4 |
| 16:09.33 | jamesd | nahhh, scripting is your friend... or get used to copy and paste |
| 16:10.12 | nahhh | jamesd, indeed i wouldn't do this by hand, but thought there could be an easier way. Thanks you for the help. :) |
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| 16:10.46 | jamesd | nahhh, just be glad were not gui only.. it would be 100 times worse on a gui |
| 16:11.15 | nahhh | lol, yeah. |
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| 16:12.47 | jamesd | nahhh, you can copy the one in your existing file auto eth0 .. chanage add it back, copy the current 2, change both of those for :2 and :3 ... copy again all and then do the next 4, then again and do the next 8... it should go pretty fast without scripting |
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| 16:18.29 | Wulf | Hello |
| 16:18.53 | Wulf | apt-get often complains "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!". After apt-get update this is fixed, but some time (hours or days) later, the problem is there again. What might cause it? |
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| 16:29.50 | nkuttler | wasn't there some visual traceroute, that shows a map? |
| 16:30.05 | hell_razer | i can not find trash-cli "apt-cache search trash-cli " |
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| 16:30.22 | nkuttler | , v trash-cli |
| 16:30.23 | judd | Package: trash-cli on i386 -- lenny: 0.1.10.28-2; sid: 0.11.3~git20120324.fb57a8e-1; wheezy: 0.11.3~git20120324.fb57a8e-1 |
| 16:30.37 | hell_razer | and where is squezzy? |
| 16:30.39 | nkuttler | hell_razer: incomplete sources? |
| 16:31.34 | themill | it had RC bugs against it during the wheezy release (namely, it didn't work) |
| 16:31.40 | themill | s/wheezy/squeeze/ |
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| 16:41.42 | D[4]ni | default versions of config files should also be put in /etc/skel/, right? |
| 16:43.19 | D[4]ni | or where should one put them? |
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| 16:46.01 | hell_razer | nkuttler: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1032340/ and no trash-cli |
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| 16:46.30 | nkuttler | hell_razer: what themill said |
| 16:46.37 | nkuttler | !tell hell_razer about backports |
| 16:46.49 | themill | it's a trivial backport to make if you want it |
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| 16:48.41 | D[4]ni | lol, someone just forgot some newlines |
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| 17:00.50 | dmbaturin | Hi! I upgraded my squeeze laptop and got 3.2.0 kernel, nvidia drivers stopped working. I installed the module with m-a, how do I upgrade it? "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel source" failes, can't see the log because of some glitch. Is nvidia build fail on 3.2.0 a known issue? Where are build logs stored so I can paste? |
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| 17:01.44 | babilen | dmbaturin: I would strongly recommend to not use m-a but dkms as it makes sure that the module is recompiled whenever you install a new kernel (provided that the headers are installed) |
| 17:02.10 | babilen | !tell dmbaturin -about nvidia dkms |
| 17:02.39 | babilen | dmbaturin: You need to adapt that to wheezy though (linux-image-amd64 instead of linux-image-2.6-amd64 for example) |
| 17:03.02 | babilen | dmbaturin: testing/unstable are also primarily supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net btw |
| 17:03.18 | dmbaturin | babilen: Thanks, will try. I have squeeze, not wheezy. |
| 17:03.36 | babilen | Ah, ok. How did you install the newer kernel? |
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| 17:03.51 | dmbaturin | babilen: Just "apt-get dist-upgrade". |
| 17:04.03 | dmbaturin | Maybe it's from backports repo that I have enabled? |
| 17:04.07 | babilen | !show sources.list |
| 17:04.07 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 17:04.31 | babilen | dmbaturin: ^^^^ along with "aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-'" |
| 17:04.57 | dmbaturin | babilen: So I shouldn't have got that kernel? |
| 17:05.29 | babilen | dmbaturin: It's ok, but the kernel shouldn't have been installed by "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Please let me see your sources and I take it from there. |
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| 17:06.13 | mms_ | I would like to give root ability run x client and connect to non-root user x session |
| 17:06.36 | D[4]ni | where do people normally put the default config files (which will then be copied to user directories)? |
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| 17:06.55 | babilen | D[4]ni: /etc/skel/ |
| 17:07.17 | Craig` | hey guys, i've got a plug computer (guruplug) and it used an external hard drive as it's storage (for everything, not just /home). I plugged the ext. hdd into another computer to transfer some files but had user permission issues so I changed the ownership of all my files idiotically so when the hdd is back in the plug computer it doesn't work (because of owner issues), i've really got no idea how i'd go about fixing this, a little he |
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| 17:07.23 | tharkun | mms_: Why would you want to breach the security of your system in such an awfull way? |
| 17:07.25 | D[4]ni | i mean, in terms of packaging. the application will copy the files itself |
| 17:07.36 | D[4]ni | do you also put these in /etc/skel/ ? |
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| 17:07.55 | mms_ | tharkun: I find it inconvenient on my desktop where i run debian using vbox |
| 17:08.03 | babilen | D[4]ni: Surely not -- /etc/skel/ is used during user creation. What are you *really* trying to do? |
| 17:08.04 | dmbaturin | babilen: http://pastie.org/4057200 that's what I have. |
| 17:09.18 | D[4]ni | babilen: i just want every user to have their own configuration directory. if they don't have one yet, they will get some default configuration files |
| 17:09.40 | babilen | dmbaturin: That Ubuntu ppa is highly suspicious and I wouldn't recommend to use dmm (or the vbox repos) -- but that is not the issue at hand. What is the output of the aptitude versions command? |
| 17:10.52 | babilen | D[4]ni: There is no such default directory -- ~/.config/ and ~/ are commonly used for configuration files, but this is highly application dependent. |
| 17:11.15 | dmbaturin | babilen: http://pastie.org/4057223 Seems the kernel is from backports. |
| 17:11.38 | D[4]ni | babilen: i know about that... i mean, isn't there a common place for those DEFAULT configuration files? |
| 17:11.50 | dmbaturin | babilen: The reason I use that ppa is that is the only repo containing macfanctld and some other mac specific stuff. |
| 17:11.58 | babilen | dmbaturin: In that case you *must* have executed something like "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-?????" |
| 17:12.18 | dmbaturin | babilen: I haven't, honestly. |
| 17:12.35 | dmbaturin | babilen: Ok, nevermind. What is the recommended way to get things back to work? |
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| 17:13.26 | babilen | dmbaturin: Packages won't be installed from backports unless you explicitly pass "-t squeeze-backports" -- but anyway. I would recommend to install linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 from backports. You can then pull nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports as well which should work with the 3.2 kernel. |
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| 17:13.57 | dmbaturin | babilen: Will try. |
| 17:14.01 | babilen | dmbaturin: You have to remove the m-a packages before that though. |
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| 17:14.14 | babilen | D[4]ni: Which default configuration files? |
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| 17:14.53 | D[4]ni | babilen: the files my program will copy if there are no configuration files in ~ yet |
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| 17:16.11 | babilen | D[4]ni: What is *your* program? How is it installed? |
| 17:16.31 | D[4]ni | it will be insalled using apt |
| 17:16.39 | D[4]ni | installed* |
| 17:16.51 | babilen | D[4]ni: But lets assume that "your" program is called foo. You might have installed default configuration files in /usr/share/foo/.foorc |
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| 17:17.32 | bolt | any suggestions for a writable compressed file system? |
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| 17:18.42 | D[4]ni | okay, so i'll put them in a subdirectory of /usr/share |
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| 17:19.04 | babilen | D[4]ni: There is no one-solution-fits-all approach -- Will your program work without configuration files? Does it handle configuration files in, say, /usr/share/foo/foorc /etc/foo/foorc *and* ~/.foorc ? Are *all* of these necessary? Are they merged? What happens if one is missing? Is the program supposed to write ~/.foorc if it is not present or are users expected to create ~/.foorc? |
| 17:19.46 | babilen | D[4]ni: But this depends on your program and the way it handles configuration files. A debian package should never install configuration into user's home directories. |
| 17:20.41 | D[4]ni | it will only work with configuration files in ~/.foo/, but it will copy the default configuration out of /usr/share/foo/defaults/ if there are no configuration files in ~/.foo/ yet |
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| 17:21.23 | babilen | D[4]ni: Well, if that is how the program worked you better make sure that there are suitable files in /usr/share/foo/defaults/ |
| 17:21.32 | babilen | s/worked/works |
| 17:21.35 | mms_ | tharkun: ok I gave up on running x as root |
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| 17:40.23 | Sidney__ | I've installed from this live usb stick before |
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| 17:45.04 | dmbaturin | babilen: Thanks, it works now. |
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| 17:46.45 | babilen | dmbaturin: Wonderful, enjoy! |
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| 17:46.58 | babilen | !tell D[4]ni -about nmg |
| 17:47.00 | babilen | !tell D[4]ni -about mentors |
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| 17:47.37 | dmbaturin | babilen: Is there a way to make packages install from backports if available by default? |
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| 17:48.58 | babilen | dmbaturin: That isn't a very good idea -- You should only use a small subset of packages from backports. See also "/msg dpkg backport ceveat" and think about what it means for upgrades to the next stable release. |
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| 18:11.49 | D[4]ni | Bl1tter: you should NOT use that password anymore. |
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| 18:13.23 | skeeto | Is there a clean way to recover dpkg from the recent unstable libwine-bin breakage? ("E: Internal Error, No file name for libbz2-1.0") |
| 18:14.46 | nkuttler | skeeto: check the bts |
| 18:14.50 | nkuttler | !tell skeeto about bts |
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| 18:15.23 | engla | to install the new wine on amd64, you have to add i386 as a foreign arch I guess? |
| 18:16.05 | skeeto | I did check the BTS but didn't find anything for pulling dpkg out of its broken state |
| 18:16.28 | skeeto | It's unable to install or uninstall packages right now |
| 18:19.02 | nkuttler | like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676635 |
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| 18:22.28 | skeeto | Thanks, nkuttler, I hadn't looked at that again since last night. |
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| 19:02.28 | equex | so.. only weed, then ? |
| 19:02.36 | equex | :p |
| 19:02.39 | zophy | well.. some alcohol.. everyday.. but i seldom admit to it when i'm sober |
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| 19:23.14 | oo_miguel | i know that I need the module called "iwlagn" but I do not know where to find it in the "menuconfig" of my kernel. What can I do? |
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| 19:25.52 | tvm | oo_miguel: are you using stock kernel ? you will probably need only to load the correct module |
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| 19:30.05 | oo_miguel | tvm: I am building my own custom kernel and want to know which option in "menuconfig" corrspongs with building the iwlagn module |
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| 19:33.08 | aber | probably CONFIG_IWLAGN under Wireless Lan :) |
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| 19:33.40 | dvs | I thought iwlwifi was the newer driver |
| 19:33.59 | themill | there's also CONFIG_IWLWIFI -- this rather depends on what kernel you're compiling. Or you could move on from 1996 and just use the distribution kernel |
| 19:34.02 | tvm | i think that it's correct. |
| 19:34.17 | oo_miguel | i have 2.6 |
| 19:34.23 | oo_miguel | 2.6.32 |
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| 19:35.34 | tvm | on this very laptop (Lenovo L512) i had to roll my own custom kernel (with iwlagn iirc) because it wasn't supported with 2.6.32 |
| 19:35.56 | dvs | tvm: And the backported kernel didn't work? |
| 19:36.19 | oo_miguel | I know that it is supported, and I know that the module is called "iwlagn" but I do not know WHERE in make menuconfig it is located |
| 19:36.19 | aber | if you use xconfig you can search... |
| 19:36.26 | oo_miguel | aber: oh ok |
| 19:36.30 | tvm | well, it was year or so ago, don't really remember |
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| 19:36.43 | tvm | oo_miguel: well, you can simply grep the .config for "iwlagn" |
| 19:37.04 | tvm | and edit it with your favorite editor ;-) |
| 19:37.07 | amphi | aber: you can search in menuconfig |
| 19:37.30 | simonlnu | you can also search in menuconfig... it says so at the top |
| 19:37.50 | oo_miguel | ok i ll try this |
| 19:37.56 | oo_miguel | was not aware I can search |
| 19:38.03 | amphi | it says so now? that's a retrograde step IMHO |
| 19:38.11 | simonlnu | read the text ;) |
| 19:38.35 | amphi | how can an interface be discoverable if you tell everyone how it works? |
| 19:38.43 | dvs | simonlnu: but it's split over two lines!!! ;-) |
| 19:38.44 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 19:38.58 | simonlnu | ohnoez |
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| 19:39.32 | oo_miguel | thanx |
| 19:40.24 | simonlnu | looking for a CONFIG_ ooption it's easier to type it in ALL_CAPS_WITH_UNDERSCORES |
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| 19:40.58 | simonlnu | but if you don't know the option name, it'll search the text description |
| 19:40.58 | MO_Handes | any IM client with video chat support for Yahoo protocol? |
| 19:41.45 | Wulf | apt-get often complains "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!". After apt-get update this is fixed, but some time (hours or days) later, the problem is there again. What might cause it? |
| 19:42.09 | Wulf | how is the check carried out if a source is trusted or not? |
| 19:42.28 | simonlnu | Wulf: you haven't got the third party's pgp pubkey |
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| 19:44.14 | Wulf | simonlnu: it's ftp.de.debian.org, and apt-get update fixes the problem for a while |
| 19:44.25 | Wulf | simonlnu: I think there is no third party involved |
| 19:45.53 | simonlnu | it is... sometimes you could be hitting it when it's getting updated (mirror pulse). won't matter much. aptitude is better at telling you it hasn't updated properly. |
| 19:46.37 | themill | Wulf: which release(s) are you using? |
| 19:46.53 | Wulf | themill: unstable, so I won't sue the debian project ;) |
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| 19:47.21 | themill | Wulf: you need to look carefully at the output of the update -- there was probably an error prior to that. |
| 19:47.45 | Wulf | themill: no |
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| 19:48.43 | Wulf | I think you don't understand my problem. If I do "apt-get update" now, "apt-get install xyz" works without the error. Then I wait some time and do "apt-get install abc" and it will show the problem. |
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| 19:49.35 | Fatal | Wulf: I'm suspecting you're installing from different sources, one with the keyring installed and one which you haven't installed |
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| 19:49.50 | themill | Wulf: how long between updates? |
| 19:49.55 | Wulf | themill: I don't know. |
| 19:50.04 | Wulf | I suspect it's maybe a couple of hours |
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| 19:53.36 | T_oink | Hello, got a strange problem. I've just finished a basic debian install on my lenovo R500 (hd3400 mobile) with default radeon drivers, all over the screen are ultra small horizontal lines(ribbed). I tried changes freq, resolution etc no fix. any idea's? |
| 19:54.24 | dvs | T_oink: Did you install the firmware-linux-nonfree package? |
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| 19:55.17 | T_oink | dvs, yes |
| 19:55.27 | babilen | T_oink: Could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? I suspect that you might have to install firmware-linux-nonfree from non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) and maybe a newer kernel/xorg version. (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
| 19:56.01 | T_oink | babilen, VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series |
| 19:56.12 | Wulf | themill: I now did an "apt-get update" and an strace of the "apt-get install" right after it. When it happens again, I'll do another strace. Maybe I can spot the difference... |
| 19:56.23 | themill | Wulf: please |
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| 19:56.57 | T_oink | dvs, I'm not quite sure, is there a way to check this? |
| 19:57.59 | babilen | T_oink: That is *not* the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" -- I am after the alphanumerical PCIID |
| 19:58.17 | T_oink | babilen, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series [1002:95c4] |
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| 19:58.24 | MO_Handes | any IM client with video chat support for Yahoo protocol? |
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| 19:59.11 | dvs | T_oink: if you're not sure what it is then why did you say yes? |
| 19:59.40 | T_oink | dvs, tought i installed something with non-free, afterward i tought it was probably the package thing. (quite new to all this) |
| 19:59.40 | babilen | T_oink: Yeah, you need a newer kernel and a newer Xorg will probably not hurt as well. Activate backports as per "/msg dpkg bdo", install a newer kernel as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and finish with upgrading Xorg as discussed in "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" |
| 19:59.45 | dvs | T_oink: anyways, "dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree" should give an idea? |
| 19:59.52 | simonlnu | !tell MO_Handes -about search |
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| 20:00.13 | babilen | T_oink: What is the output of "dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree|tail -n1" ? |
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| 20:00.45 | T_oink | babilen, dvs, no package match... |
| 20:01.13 | dvs | T_oink: check the spelling |
| 20:01.37 | RLa | is lintian.debian.org down? |
| 20:01.53 | babilen | T_oink: Ah, that reminds me. Please make sure that you activate non-free (and contrib) for backports *and* normal repositories. See "/msg dpkg non-free sources" but you just have to make sure that *all* your deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list end in "main contrib non-free" -- After you've done that you should be able to install firmware-linux-nonfree from backports as well. |
| 20:02.04 | themill | RLa: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2012/06/msg00000.html |
| 20:02.20 | RLa | oh damn |
| 20:02.36 | babilen | T_oink: That would be done with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree" -- If you run into problems show us your sources.list and the output and the commands you tried. |
| 20:02.38 | RLa | guess i have to read manual from command line |
| 20:02.55 | themill | RLa: what were you looking for? |
| 20:03.11 | T_oink | dvs, babilen, thanks for the help, so far. i'll give this a try. |
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| 20:03.28 | RLa | i'm trying to create a private package for proprietary sw distribution |
| 20:03.44 | RLa | and lintian gives a bit too many warnings |
| 20:04.04 | themill | RLa: "lintian-info -t $tag" provides further info on the tags |
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| 20:05.09 | peterS | or get the extra info all at once with lintian -i *.changes |
| 20:05.44 | RLa | hm thanks |
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| 20:06.18 | RLa | having particular problems with extra-license-file because i have some dependencies packed in |
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| 20:06.38 | RLa | anyway -X extra-license-file does not seem to disable check |
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| 20:07.39 | themill | RLa: you don't really need to worry about lintian warnings like that for your own personal packages that you're not going to upload to debian. |
| 20:08.46 | RLa | hm, i'm just one of those types that see warnings as errors, just do not want to miss something important when whole screen is filled with text :/ |
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| 20:10.49 | themill | RLa: well the real problem is having dependencies bundled into one package |
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| 20:11.58 | RLa | i should cut them all up and put into separate packages? |
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| 20:13.51 | T_oink | dvs, babilen, great the problem has been fixed. thanks. |
| 20:14.02 | dvs | np |
| 20:14.10 | themill | RLa: that would be the normal approach, yes. |
| 20:14.23 | LucasCampos | Hello there. I'm about to migrate to Debian Testing, but before I'd like to know what kernel version it uses |
| 20:15.01 | themill | ,kernel --release wheezy |
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| 20:15.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.18-1) |
| 20:15.27 | bardzusny | recent |
| 20:15.35 | bardzusny | someone will call judd in a second, but I think 3.2 |
| 20:15.48 | bardzusny | lagged |
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| 20:16.17 | LucasCampos | judd: Thanks. I'm having some issues with that kernel version (tested on Arch, Ubuntu and Fedora), as my headphone sound is not working. Does anyone know anyworkaround? |
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| 20:16.33 | simonlnu | LucasCampos: judd is a bot, and can't answer you |
| 20:16.46 | judd | Yes I can! |
| 20:16.51 | dvs | heh |
| 20:17.00 | themill | LucasCampos: there's a 3.3 and 3.4 kernel in experimental that you can try if you want. /msg dpkg experimental |
| 20:17.01 | LucasCampos | Oh, I didn't know that. Cool bot, tough |
| 20:17.17 | themill | judd: bot |
| 20:17.18 | judd | No, I'm not a bot, I'm a frontend to a database. |
| 20:17.33 | bardzusny | who are these people thinking that bots don't have SOULS? |
| 20:17.36 | LucasCampos | themill: Neither of those seemed to solve my issue on Fedora 17 |
| 20:17.53 | LucasCampos | judd: You're a nice bot, thanks |
| 20:17.55 | themill | LucasCampos: well... fiddling around with kernels doesn't sound like its' going to work then ;) |
| 20:18.09 | judd | awwww shucks |
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| 20:18.56 | iTonnerre | Hi there |
| 20:18.56 | LucasCampos | themill: I was expecting it to use 3.0. That one worked. I've tried a bit of ALSA configuration, but did not work =( |
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| 20:19.25 | dvs | LucasCampos: Then it's strange that 3.2 won't work. |
| 20:19.37 | iTonnerre | I have a problem with mdadm: I replaced one disk of a two-disk raid-1 array and now it won't stop rebuilding because the remaining disk has a bad block |
| 20:19.48 | bardzusny | LucasCampos: phew, you can always use 3.0. I bet there are older packages laying around. |
| 20:20.03 | themill | LucasCampos: I'd suggest spending some time with the guys in #alsa when you're running a kernel you're having trouble with, then |
| 20:20.06 | iTonnerre | Is there a way to tell Linux' md resync impl to skip over that bad block? |
| 20:20.26 | LucasCampos | themill: Thanks, I'll try to do that |
| 20:21.33 | LucasCampos | dvs: It is indeed very strange |
| 20:21.33 | LucasCampos | barduzusny: I don't know until when distros will keep suporting older kernel version |
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| 20:23.26 | bardzusny | LucasCampos: worry not, they will work for quite a while. |
| 20:24.03 | bardzusny | LucasCampos: please remember there is no "support" in testing/unstable, nothing is guaranteed to work |
| 20:24.36 | user101 | if i install debian 6 and then come out the 7 I need to reinstall everything? |
| 20:24.39 | roe | I'm trying to use find, by doing 'find ./ foobar' but it is returning lots of things that don't have foobar in the filename |
| 20:24.55 | dvs | user101: NO, you'lll need to read the release notes |
| 20:25.01 | bardzusny | user101: no |
| 20:25.11 | petemc | roe: -name |
| 20:25.16 | user101 | thanx |
| 20:25.19 | petemc | or -iname |
| 20:25.23 | LucasCampos | bardzusny: Thanks. I'll remeber that |
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| 20:33.24 | balrog | hope you're all aware that people.debian.org is down |
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| 20:33.42 | themill | balrog: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2012/06/msg00000.html |
| 20:33.44 | mikkelb | At my homedir backup script at https://gist.github.com/2897952 - how do I skip the creation of the tarball if none of the folder's content has changed? And then move all old tarballs (which the script will then have made newer versions of) to folder "_purged" (create if doesn't exist). |
| 20:33.49 | mikkelb | I can pay for help. |
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| 20:34.23 | babilen | T_oink: Wonderful -- Enjoy! :) |
| 20:34.24 | balrog | ahh ... ok |
| 20:34.47 | dvs | babilen: ??? You're a tad too late on that. ;-) |
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| 20:35.12 | babilen | dvs: It is never too late to say "w00t" :) |
| 20:35.18 | T_oink | :-) |
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| 20:36.35 | tharkun | Cross post, I'm in a hurry. If i add exit 0 on an init script will it just be called and then ignored? |
| 20:37.04 | dvs | T_oink: firmware-linux-nonfree contains the firmware for the Radeon drivers so that's the first thing I'd check. |
| 20:37.12 | tharkun | forget it, tias ;P |
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| 20:39.10 | T_oink | dvs, ah nice, didnt find the solution online by googling, that's why i ask :-) |
| 20:40.01 | dvs | T_oink: The /var/log/messages should have complained about missing firmware. |
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| 20:42.35 | T_oink | dvs, indeed, just checked, that would be a good way to find my own solution, thanks (again). |
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| 20:50.01 | takis_GR | i want to create a remaster from antix. (i need a lightweight linux). if i have pre installed all firmwares this make distro heavy ??? (slower, need more ram. more cpu) |
| 20:51.04 | Iridos | dpkg, antix |
| 20:51.04 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:52.06 | takis_GR | new antix is from scratch based on debian testing |
| 20:52.34 | themill | takis_GR: antix support is still not in #debian. |
| 20:52.37 | Iridos | yes, see based on debian factoid |
| 20:55.18 | Iridos | also look at http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.02/gldt1202.svg ... there's a shitload of distributions based on debian one way or other and each does its own stuff... how the hell would anyone know which does what |
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| 21:04.35 | MO_Handes | how to find out the size of a directory and its contents? |
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| 21:04.58 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:05.00 | lenswipe | anyone about? |
| 21:05.27 | lenswipe | i get an error when i login about 0 bytes remaining on root |
| 21:05.29 | lenswipe | what should i do |
| 21:05.43 | themill | delete some of your porn |
| 21:05.58 | lenswipe | themill, so you keep porn on your root partition do you? |
| 21:06.03 | lenswipe | surely that goes in your home folder |
| 21:06.05 | themill | the name says it all |
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| 21:06.09 | lenswipe | seriously how do i resize the root parition? |
| 21:06.21 | lenswipe | if i open gparted i cant resize it wtf am i supposed to do? |
| 21:06.38 | themill | do you really need to resize it or do you just need to clean up? |
| 21:06.45 | D[4]ni | MO_Handes: du |
| 21:06.51 | lenswipe | idk |
| 21:06.54 | lenswipe | how do i find out? |
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| 21:07.53 | iTonnerre | I have a problem with mdadm: I replaced one disk of a two-disk raid-1 array and now it won't stop rebuilding because the remaining disk has a bad block |
| 21:07.55 | iTonnerre | Is there a way to tell Linux' md resync impl to skip over that bad block? |
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| 21:11.00 | BenNZ | lenswipe: check whats in /var/cache/apt/archives , also you could remove old logs from /var/logs (altho that shouldnt give you alot of space back , but every bit helps) |
| 21:11.14 | BenNZ | */var/log |
| 21:11.37 | lenswipe | it might mean i can start dropbox at e |
| 21:11.46 | themill | removing unused kernels too |
| 21:11.50 | lenswipe | themill, how do i do that? |
| 21:12.03 | themill | the same way you normally remove packages |
| 21:12.14 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 21:12.22 | lenswipe | will that give me a lot of space back? |
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| 21:12.54 | lenswipe | themill, how do i find out what kernels im not using? |
| 21:13.01 | Iridos | perhaps start with "apt-cache clean" to have a bit of temporary space and stop having errors? |
| 21:13.12 | lenswipe | okay |
| 21:13.19 | jelly-home | lenswipe: you're only using the one your machine has currently booted into. |
| 21:14.07 | lenswipe | jelly-home, how do i find out what that is? |
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| 21:14.30 | lenswipe | Iridos, root@C03:/home/robert# apt-cache clean |
| 21:14.30 | lenswipe | E: Invalid operation clean |
| 21:15.20 | z28 | lenswipe: apt-get clean |
| 21:15.40 | lenswipe | ok that returned nothing |
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| 21:16.16 | z28 | lenswipe: also, apt-get autoclean is that matters i don't know. |
| 21:16.27 | z28 | *if/is |
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| 21:16.33 | tharkun | Is it ok to play with routing tables when there are a bunch of processes running or is it best to reboot |
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| 21:20.50 | jelly-home | lenswipe: /msg dpkg version |
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| 21:21.29 | lenswipe | jelly-home, will it let me uninstall the wrong kernel? |
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| 21:23.26 | z28 | lenswipe: it might but likely not suceed! uname -a and be sure you don't rm the current running kernel. |
| 21:23.39 | tharkun | themill: are you available for some pm? |
| 21:23.39 | z28 | succeed |
| 21:24.03 | lenswipe | what should i be searching for in synaptic? |
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| 21:24.32 | z28 | lenswipe: linux-image |
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| 21:25.19 | Lejda | hey gus |
| 21:25.21 | Lejda | igb "reset adapter" |
| 21:25.38 | Lejda | system gives this error. and network gone away |
| 21:25.46 | Lejda | i can fix only after reboot |
| 21:26.02 | lenswipe | z28, do i need the debugging symbols? |
| 21:26.30 | z28 | lenswipe: i doubt it |
| 21:26.49 | lenswipe | mr graphics card needed the source code for the kernel installed - are they related? |
| 21:27.37 | lenswipe | z28, how do i see empty space on my root partition? |
| 21:27.53 | KsM | df -h / |
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| 21:28.17 | z28 | lenswipe: df -h |
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| 21:28.25 | KsM | coughs |
| 21:28.50 | z28 | KsM: thx |
| 21:28.52 | Lejda | http://paste.debian.net/173706/ |
| 21:28.52 | qpdb | hi. how to see in aptitude where a pkgversion comes from (stable/testing) ? |
| 21:29.33 | lenswipe | z28, hows that looking: http://pastebin.com/8nj5KbLR ? |
| 21:29.40 | z28 | qpdb: aptitude show <packagename> |
| 21:29.55 | Lejda | any idea ? |
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| 21:30.19 | KsM | a 1.0MB /tmp ...? |
| 21:30.35 | qpdb | z28: ok, but that doesnt show if its from stable repo or from testing repo? |
| 21:32.02 | z28 | qpdb: possibly not, i don't mix repo's. not sure. |
| 21:32.11 | z28 | lenswipe: looks tight |
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| 21:33.32 | z28 | qpdb: you could ask judd version numbers maybe |
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| 21:34.24 | z28 | KsM: /tmp will be clean on reboot... so moot issue? |
| 21:34.46 | KsM | 1mb just seems small |
| 21:35.00 | KsM | well I guess it's to save space |
| 21:35.13 | z28 | very small indeed |
| 21:35.16 | lenswipe | z28, well i cant open netbeans and i cant play youtube videos |
| 21:35.35 | z28 | lenswipe: what error do you get |
| 21:35.38 | lenswipe | no error |
| 21:35.40 | lenswipe | i just cant do either |
| 21:35.48 | lenswipe | any youtube video is always loading |
| 21:35.55 | lenswipe | and netbeans just wont open when i click the icon |
| 21:36.13 | KsM | try to execute netbeans from a terminal? |
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| 21:36.50 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/4U5ut5sj |
| 21:37.11 | lenswipe | KsM, z28 ^ |
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| 21:38.03 | jj`` | hoy, any idea why in debian unstable the 'ruby1.9' package maps to ruby1.9.0 (old, obsolete) and the 'ruby1.9.1' package maps to ruby1.9.3 (i.e. the 'current' version of the ruby1.9 branch) ? |
| 21:38.07 | KsM | uh, just try `netbeans` |
| 21:38.14 | lenswipe | KsM, command not found |
| 21:38.18 | lenswipe | sh: netbeans: not found |
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| 21:38.32 | KsM | netb (tab key a couple times) ? |
| 21:38.46 | lenswipe | KsM, nothing |
| 21:39.12 | KsM | I've never used netbeans, don't know if the program/executable would also be called netbeans |
| 21:39.28 | lenswipe | its called netbeans.desktop or somethint |
| 21:39.30 | lenswipe | something |
| 21:39.36 | lenswipe | either way it just stopped launching when i click the icon |
| 21:39.46 | lenswipe | that being the case - how do i resize the root partition |
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| 21:40.32 | KsM | ~10gb is okay ish for a root partition |
| 21:40.32 | apt | KsM: okay |
| 21:41.33 | KsM | to repartition you'd have to boot from a livecd or connect it to another machine and repartition, chroot, update grub, etc etc. |
| 21:41.41 | KsM | sometimes quite tedious. |
| 21:41.51 | themill | apt forget 10gb |
| 21:41.52 | apt | i forgot 10gb, themill |
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| 21:42.32 | Iridos | that's a LOT to forget in one go! |
| 21:42.34 | z28 | lenswipe: i would probably use gparted, your mileage may vary. |
| 21:42.56 | lenswipe | gparted wont let me resize the root partition |
| 21:42.58 | lenswipe | for some reason |
| 21:43.13 | KsM | because you can't resize a partition you have mounted or are using in any way |
| 21:43.24 | lenswipe | so what do i do then? |
| 21:43.32 | z28 | lenswipe: what KsM said. ty live-cd |
| 21:43.35 | lenswipe | use a live CD? |
| 21:43.37 | lenswipe | k |
| 21:43.37 | z28 | try |
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| 21:43.49 | lenswipe | z28, catch |
| 21:44.18 | KsM | I remember the first time multi repartitioning with an already installed system. |
| 21:44.22 | KsM | It was horrible. |
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| 21:44.45 | RLa | why can't you su to user created with adduser --system kamweb? |
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| 21:46.56 | RLa | nvm |
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| 22:02.02 | ARBrad | So would it be possible for me to install an OS (In this case, Mac OS) onto a computer with Debian on it, and still have the dual boot? |
| 22:02.38 | ARBrad | I really don't want to configure Debian again. |
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| 22:04.14 | nkuttler | ARBrad: ask mac os support |
| 22:04.25 | nkuttler | i'd assume mac os overrides the mbr by default, but heh |
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| 22:04.35 | ARBrad | Alright, thank you. |
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| 22:11.50 | webad_13 | could someone assist on this please (forgot the procedure). I would like to run a program that requires X on a remote machine. I do not want X forwarded to me, so ssh -X is not what I want - I would like to leave the program running in the background. How should I set my DISPLAY variable. Btw, I achieved what I wanted through vnc - but I remember being able to run this without vnc |
| 22:12.41 | Iridos | you mean you're already logged in to that machine graphically/locally? |
| 22:12.49 | webad_13 | Iridos: ssh |
| 22:13.04 | Iridos | no I mean before the ssh connection |
| 22:13.06 | webad_13 | then I run a screen session on it |
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| 22:13.31 | webad_13 | well Iridos, x is started on the machine on boot - I can log in via vnc |
| 22:13.41 | webad_13 | but I would ideally like not to use vnc for this |
| 22:13.42 | Iridos | you need an X session on the machine |
| 22:13.50 | webad_13 | yeah |
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| 22:14.09 | Iridos | either a virtual one using e.g. vnc4server or the real one |
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| 22:14.28 | webad_13 | and then I should set the DISPLAY variable to that of the X session, right? |
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| 22:14.36 | Iridos | yes |
| 22:15.40 | webad_13 | how do I identify the display of that session? ps -ef|grep X-something? |
| 22:15.56 | Iridos | and you need the magic cookie, which got more difficult since gdm3 is login manager, as it's not already stored in ~/.Xauthority on login (via gdm3) anymore |
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| 22:16.15 | Iridos | regular login is usually on :0 |
| 22:16.21 | Iridos | vnc4server will tell you what display it takes |
| 22:16.51 | webad_13 | Iridos: yes, vnc4server works well for me. But I have startx on boot |
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| 22:17.23 | webad_13 | at least I think so :) - so there is no use for vnc here |
| 22:17.29 | webad_13 | although it works perfectly |
| 22:18.18 | Iridos | well, then stick with it. I don't see any advantage of using the local display if you don't sit on the machine |
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| 22:19.39 | webad_13 | Iridos: I just don't like having ports open for this - although this is obviously tunneled through ssh |
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| 22:20.53 | Iridos | well, do what you think you must :) |
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| 22:21.28 | webad_13 | Iridos: haha, true - anyway thanx for the help. I play around with it |
| 22:21.32 | Iridos | if it's startx, perhaps that still uses .Xauthority |
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| 22:21.58 | Iridos | then its just DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:22.31 | Iridos | else it's a pain to get the content of $XAUTHORITY from a running process via /proc |
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| 22:24.27 | webad_13 | Iridos: just got it. When I was testing it out before I must have had X session closed |
| 22:24.41 | webad_13 | works well now |
| 22:24.59 | petemc | nx is good for connecting via ssh and allowing you to disconnect but leave things running |
| 22:25.25 | webad_13 | petemc: screen? |
| 22:25.44 | Iridos | what program are we talking about anyway |
| 22:26.02 | petemc | webad_13: no, nx |
| 22:26.18 | webad_13 | petemc: yeah, I am suggesting why not screen - it does a great job |
| 22:26.43 | petemc | screen on its own doesnt do X stuff |
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| 22:31.21 | webad_13 | Iridos: running siptosis to have also skype calls on my ata. Shame it is not made as a service that does not require X, just don't see the point :) |
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| 22:31.30 | DexterF | greetings |
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| 22:31.52 | webad_13 | Iridos: on debian machine, to justify this conversation in this chat :):) |
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| 22:38.02 | Iridos | perhaps it does |
| 22:38.10 | Iridos | hard to tell with no documentation |
| 22:38.38 | Iridos | well, looks like not |
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| 22:39.39 | Iridos | you can use xvfb though, it says |
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| 22:40.01 | Iridos | guess you already do |
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| 22:40.37 | Iridos | wonder why it needs X |
| 22:40.48 | Iridos | don't think java really HAS to have X to run |
| 22:40.52 | Iridos | but dunno |
| 22:40.56 | Iridos | oh well, gn |
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| 22:46.51 | zzing | What file would the logs for who logs in via ssh be? |
| 22:47.05 | petemc | //varlog/auth.log |
| 22:47.11 | petemc | ffs |
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| 22:48.09 | zzing | Somebody is running minecraft on our server and they had the root password. So I think it was one of the old admins, but we thought we changed the passwords. |
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| 22:50.13 | petemc | the bastards |
| 22:50.23 | Iridos | the barstuds? |
| 22:50.31 | petemc | that too |
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| 22:50.56 | Kwerty | s/bastards/bad people |
| 22:51.01 | Iridos | actually, I'd have said "the dastards" |
| 22:51.02 | Midas3 | hi there. i have a quite old mainboard with a Promise FastTrak100 Lite onboard Raid Controller. openmediavault which uses the squeeze stock kernel afaik runs into kernel panic right after grub. i recognized at least the vendor and device id of the raid controller in the trace. anyone with hints on that? |
| 22:51.47 | zzing | Is there any way I can restrict su access without disabling it or changing the root password |
| 22:52.21 | petemc | zzing: no, thats one of the ways sudo is better |
| 22:52.40 | zzing | I am used to su making use of a wheel group |
| 22:52.56 | petemc | i dont believe wheel works that way on debian, icbw |
| 22:53.09 | zzing | according to wikipedia, gnu su does not support it |
| 22:53.35 | babilen | wheel is not used in Debian |
| 22:53.46 | zzing | Can I disable remote root access over ssh, then disable su? |
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| 22:54.53 | babilen | zzing: Change the root password, introduce sudo and disable root logins via SSH (should have done that a long time ago, look for PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) |
| 22:55.41 | nutron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.46 | babilen | zzing: If you don't need anything fancy just add users to the "sudo" group. ("/msg dpkg sudoers" and "man sudoers") |
| 22:56.05 | nutron | ls -ld /tmp drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 7892992 Jun 9 15:55 /tmp |
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| 22:57.30 | babilen | nutron: A process must still have them open -- What does lsof/fuser say about those files? It is also typically a good idea to have tmp on a different partition or (better) volume group for exactly this reason. |
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| 22:58.55 | zzing | babilen, there is nothing like PermitRootLogin with or without a password |
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| 22:59.56 | nutron | babilen: lsof shows /tmp being used by mysql with (deleted) flags after the filenames... |
| 23:00.12 | zzing | It looks like we allow users by name rather than by group |
| 23:01.39 | babilen | nutron: Restarting mysql (or convincing it to let go of those files) is the way to go |
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| 23:02.38 | jairavax | Who wants to help make a difference? |
| 23:02.51 | babilen | zzing: sshd should allow you to configure if you allow root logins or not -- It is in the standard Debian configuration file at /etc/ssh/sshd_config and I would suggest to set it to "PermitRootLogin no" -- If it is not there than you probably changed it or so. |
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| 23:03.18 | zzing | This server has a rather long history of changing admins because it is a student server |
| 23:03.35 | jairavax | I'm from some project that gets about 600 laptops (and growing!) each month. The laptops are wiped, and installed with an extremely leightweight, super-simple interface. Then we ship them to Africa! |
| 23:03.36 | zzing | Even the debian install is really bad. |
| 23:03.47 | babilen | zzing: You can also add an entry for every single users to sudoers, but there is IMHO no point in doing that if all you do is to give them the rights they would have by being a member of the sudo group. |
| 23:03.51 | jairavax | Cost-effective recommendations appreciated! |
| 23:03.56 | themill | jairavax: perhaps you're looking for #defocus |
| 23:04.37 | zzing | holy shit, found the PermitRootLogin yes in here |
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| 23:04.42 | zzing | I don't know what file I was looking in |
| 23:05.14 | zzing | Do I have to restart sshd? |
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| 23:05.18 | nutron | babilen: restarted it... nothing changes.. the /tmp dir size is still growing |
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| 23:05.45 | zzing | oh I was looking in ssh_config |
| 23:05.49 | nutron | to be clear this isn't a du... it's the size of the dir |
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| 23:08.20 | Lyude | Why is it that qemu-kvm, libvirt-bin, and virtinst all depend on stuff like x11-common and libgtk2? http://dpaste.com/757037/ (I'm trying to setup KVM on a host that only uses CLI) |
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| 23:12.51 | Iridos | libice6 Depends: x11-common libpulse0 Depends: libice6 qemu-kvm Depends: libpulse0 |
| 23:13.19 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/173716/ <-- you see here that the directory size is growing |
| 23:14.29 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/173718/ ... this is the lsof output |
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| 23:15.57 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/173720/ <-- this shows actual disk usage |
| 23:16.48 | Iridos | not? |
| 23:17.05 | Iridos | use df |
| 23:17.10 | Iridos | 2.3M of how much |
| 23:17.40 | nutron | df? nah, it's that the actual directory size is wonky |
| 23:18.15 | nutron | y'know when you ls -l it shows dir sizes as 4096 (or whatever the sector size is).. this one /tmp just gets massive |
| 23:18.34 | nutron | the first paste shows what i mean |
| 23:19.35 | Iridos | all du output you show shows only little usage. |
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| 23:20.04 | nutron | first paste ls -l of / this shows that the directory is at 8 mb+ it's probably at 10 now |
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| 23:21.07 | Iridos | size of the directory isn't really so useful... I'm not even sure what exactly that number is a measure of |
| 23:21.53 | nutron | I know... it's mysterious.. it keeps growing... du inside of it is a totally different amount |
| 23:22.17 | nutron | I've had to reset the server once already... the directory size was at just under 2gb last time |
| 23:22.43 | nutron | I wonder if some misconfigured daemon is pumping data to the actual directory name |
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| 23:22.57 | nutron | but how do I find that? |
| 23:23.13 | Iridos | look, show us what df -h shows, also perhaps df -i |
| 23:23.28 | Iridos | first find out which resource is used up, then what uses it up |
| 23:23.45 | zzing | I have disabled root login through ssh, removed the su command, changed the root password. Is there any other vectors somebody might have of gaining root access? |
| 23:23.57 | zzing | We are talking about a former admin of the system |
| 23:24.05 | nutron | Iridos: http://paste.debian.net/173721/ |
| 23:24.30 | petemc | zzing: how did you remove the su command? |
| 23:24.31 | Iridos | zzing, any amount of backdoors including some in the kernel that are now impossible to see |
| 23:24.43 | zzing | petemc, moved it into /root so I have the command handy |
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| 23:25.04 | petemc | interesting... |
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| 23:25.37 | aidalgol | Um, how does removing su make a system any more secure? |
| 23:25.44 | Iridos | nutron, so /tmp is part of /? |
| 23:25.52 | nutron | http://paste.debian.net/173722/ |
| 23:25.57 | nutron | Iridos: aye it is |
| 23:26.25 | Iridos | well, that doesn't look like you're anywhere near running out of space or out of inodes |
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| 23:27.22 | nutron | that's right... it's growing though, my point was that I've deleted/replaced /tmp and rebooted in order to allow the system to work... I'm trying to understand wtf is growing the directory size so I can stop it |
| 23:27.45 | nutron | nothing inside of tmp is eating space or inodes... the /tmp entry in the fs itself is |
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| 23:27.48 | Iridos | well, watch how fast it grows? |
| 23:28.03 | Iridos | err |
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| 23:28.36 | Iridos | but that number (I think) just represents the size of the directory file itself... which is kind of a file containing the list of files |
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| 23:28.51 | Iridos | and so if the list of files is growing, something should also start using lots of inodes |
| 23:29.01 | Iridos | and anyway, that shouldn't present a problem |
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| 23:29.18 | Iridos | as long as you have enough space/inodes |
| 23:29.53 | Iridos | of course, reading a directory with hundred thousands of files would become slow |
| 23:30.40 | nutron | Iridos: ok when in /tmp then why does it show 2.4 mb used? I'm missing something it seems. |
| 23:30.40 | Iridos | and would have an impact |
| 23:30.50 | nutron | but there aren't that many files |
| 23:31.31 | zzing | aidalgol, by removing su it means that sudo is the only means (we know of) to elevate privileges which we can control by user name or group. |
| 23:31.38 | nutron | deneb:/tmp# ls -R|wc -l ---> 288 |
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| 23:31.58 | nutron | err I mean now.. and back then there were under a thousand |
| 23:32.21 | Iridos | so how do you know the problem was a growing /tmp? |
| 23:34.49 | nutron | I don't know for sure, the system was super lagged and the directory size when ls -l / was called was massive. I du -h inside of /tmp at the time and the size escapes me now but it was certainly way under the 2gb dir size read by ls. When I rm -rf'd and recreated the /tmp directory everything returned to normal. Loadavg dropped from 70+ and the system was much more responsive. The disk usage was very low (like it is now) |
| 23:36.29 | nutron | it seems to be related to mysql requests... |
| 23:36.31 | nutron | maybe.. |
| 23:36.32 | Iridos | hm, 9863168*1024=10099884032 would be 9GB |
| 23:37.01 | Iridos | what filesystem is that? |
| 23:37.02 | nutron | where did you get 9863168 from? |
| 23:37.08 | nutron | jfs |
| 23:37.18 | Iridos | from /tmp in http://paste.debian.net/173722/ |
| 23:37.25 | nutron | ahh it's larger now |
| 23:37.29 | nutron | :) |
| 23:37.37 | nutron | 10805248 |
| 23:37.43 | nutron | always thought that was bytes |
| 23:37.55 | Iridos | hmm |
| 23:38.17 | Iridos | not sure... ls man/info page says it's 1024 byte blocks for files |
| 23:38.31 | Iridos | doesn't mention directories, so I assumed it's the same |
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| 23:38.41 | nutron | fair enough |
| 23:38.49 | Iridos | so... not sure either |
| 23:38.56 | Iridos | perhaps it's a bug in jfs |
| 23:39.25 | nutron | I'm not sure what to do... feels like I need to hang around and push the button every once in a while ... like in lost |
| 23:39.27 | Iridos | lots of files get created in /tmp, lots get erased and directory size increases with each step without any safeguard |
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| 23:39.38 | nutron | I'll have to restart it and do /forcefsck |
| 23:39.55 | nutron | hmm so that may be normal then? |
| 23:39.56 | Iridos | as there's not a lot of space used up... |
| 23:40.16 | nutron | right... lsof shows me a whole lot of nothing |
| 23:40.21 | Iridos | I think you could put an ext3 or xfs or something into a file and mount that one via a loop on /tmp |
| 23:40.56 | Iridos | see if the weird behavior stops if /tmp isn't jfs anymore? |
| 23:41.02 | nutron | shot in the dark huh? |
| 23:41.07 | nutron | yeah I'll try that |
| 23:41.20 | Iridos | or do you fear that could give a big performance hit? |
| 23:41.38 | nutron | never used -o loop for a real fs (like ext3) but I assume it's no different than the ones I'm used to like iso9660 |
| 23:41.51 | Iridos | yeah |
| 23:42.04 | Iridos | just lets you use a file and not have to repartition to make a space |
| 23:42.06 | nutron | I don't think so... the apache / mysql combo seem to be moving at a decent clip |
| 23:42.39 | nutron | though watch -n1 ls -ld /tmp ... grows with every mysql query I make |
| 23:42.48 | Iridos | I can't imagine anything else but that it's something jfs specific right now |
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| 23:43.05 | Iridos | and I never used jfs |
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| 23:43.13 | nutron | k, i'll set an at job to reboot and do the mounts afterwards |
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| 23:43.25 | Iridos | ? |
| 23:43.33 | Iridos | hmm |
| 23:43.37 | DexterF | how can one resize a partition that holds LVM2 volumes? gparted won't let me, says doen not support lvm yet |
| 23:43.43 | nutron | jfs has never given me trouble before ... and like I said .. this machine's been fine for well over a year running squeeze |
| 23:43.50 | Iridos | yeah, difficult to mount on top of /tmp while stuff is still using files in it |
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| 23:43.58 | nutron | aye |
| 23:44.02 | Iridos | hm, how weird |
| 23:44.11 | nutron | I use jfs everywhere |
| 23:44.38 | nutron | my only thought is that somehow the /tmp directory entry is somehow being written to like a file... |
| 23:44.46 | nutron | but that's unlikely |
| 23:44.56 | Iridos | heh |
| 23:44.58 | nutron | hence me thinking that a forcefsck would maybe correct this |
| 23:45.11 | nutron | uptime's only about 3 hours since I was forced to reboot it |
| 23:45.12 | Iridos | well, I thought files get created and erased, but the space in the directory is not freed |
| 23:45.15 | Iridos | yeah |
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| 23:45.21 | Iridos | fsck is a very good idea |
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| 23:46.11 | Iridos | does stat /tmp/ show anything interesting? |
| 23:46.27 | nutron | well thanks for letting be bounce this stuff off you, I'll have to come back to let you know how it went (will wait for a few hours)... in the meantime I think I'm gonna force a backup... weird crap makes me uneasy |
| 23:46.36 | nutron | oooh I forgot all about stat |
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| 23:46.58 | Iridos | indeed... backup before fsck is a good idea |
| 23:47.11 | Iridos | I remember when I used reiserfs around 2000 |
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| 23:47.35 | nutron | Iridos: http://paste.debian.net/173732/ |
| 23:48.38 | Iridos | well, that size should be in bytes? |
| 23:48.45 | nutron | oooh reiser was never an option for me heh... xfs is good except when you pull the plug... ext* always felt severely slow ... and I've used jfs since like 2002 always been stable for me |
| 23:49.16 | Iridos | I'm on xfs now |
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| 23:49.24 | Iridos | so I guess I better don'T pull any plugs |
| 23:49.28 | Iridos | at least not too often :P |
| 23:50.18 | nutron | it's good, but when power's lost it always seemed that my journal became corrupt... |
| 23:50.26 | nutron | Yeah that's bytes in stat |
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| 23:51.23 | Iridos | then must also be bytes in ls |
| 23:51.35 | nutron | aye |
| 23:51.48 | nutron | -h shows it in mb currently |
| 23:52.21 | nutron | but this thing seems to have been messed up for some time since the dir size reached almost 2gb |
| 23:52.59 | Iridos | right |
| 23:53.02 | Iridos | bedtime for me |
| 23:53.03 | Iridos | bb |
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| 23:53.08 | nutron | g'nite |
| 23:53.12 | nutron | and thanks |
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