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| 00:17.13 | balrog | okay so I have debian installed on one drive and would like to move it to another |
| 00:17.17 | balrog | would a simple cp -a work? |
| 00:17.28 | balrog | followed by fixing up the bootloader |
| 00:17.39 | balrog | since I'm not using lilo or grub here, this is an embedded system with uboot |
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| 00:20.27 | Sw33NY_ | balrog, I'm using CloneZilla to clone my linux and windows system from disk to img and img to disk |
| 00:20.39 | balrog | yeah but I had a weird workflow here before |
| 00:20.50 | balrog | boot from SD, and most stuff on a hard drive with an ext4 partition |
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| 00:21.13 | Sw33NY_ | I think it's more 'dd' command you should use to clone disk but I dont know it |
| 00:21.29 | balrog | I'm wondering if just copying all the linux stuff to the hdd and pointing the bootloader at it would work |
| 00:21.31 | balrog | or is there some other fs-specific stuff. |
| 00:21.32 | balrog | well other than /etc/fstab |
| 00:21.32 | balrog | yeah but you can't clone different kinds of disks with dd |
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| 00:25.55 | hateit | is it really impossible (whitout replacing xorg and so on) to get fglrx drivers in wheezy? |
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| 00:28.02 | Sw33NY_ | balrog, I cannot help you sorry |
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| 01:05.03 | nightfrog | What email is installed during install? |
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| 01:05.10 | tpw_rules | hello all |
| 01:05.20 | tpw_rules | so, i just tried to create a raid array with mdadm and it went horribly wrong |
| 01:05.38 | nightfrog | I just used dd last night without a problem |
| 01:06.04 | tpw_rules | when creating it, it said the drives involved were busy and seemed to error out. being unable to un-busy them, i tried rebooting, but it warns me about a degraded raid array and drops me into busybox whenever i try to boot now |
| 01:06.13 | grepper | nightfrog: bsd-mailx |
| 01:06.45 | nightfrog | grepper: Thanks. I come from FreeBSD and never used that |
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| 01:07.34 | tpw_rules | how can i fix this? |
| 01:08.16 | nightfrog | I thought with mdadm you couldn't be using the drives. |
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| 01:09.00 | tpw_rules | well it's currently unable to boot, so i'd like to fix that first |
| 01:09.04 | nightfrog | tpw_rules: I used dd and it went along fine without a hitch and a lot easier then with mdadm from what I have read |
| 01:09.34 | tpw_rules | i'll look into it, but i need a bootable system now |
| 01:09.50 | nightfrog | Use a live cd and fix the hd |
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| 01:24.29 | tpw_rules | where does mdadm keep information on the arrays it knows? |
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| 01:27.50 | dvs | tpw_rules: I thought it was a kernel parameter |
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| 01:28.02 | tpw_rules | how can i change it> |
| 01:28.14 | tpw_rules | it's convinced a raid exists when booting, but it won't let me do anything with it |
| 01:28.14 | P-Chan | Is possible use swapness and zram enable same time? |
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| 01:31.35 | tpw_rules | oh. i erased the superblock on each of my disks, let's see if it works now... |
| 01:32.02 | tpw_rules | yay it boots! |
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| 01:38.19 | nightfrog | After mirroring two drives with dd, how can I monitor the usage. df doesn't seem to be giving me what I want |
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| 01:38.48 | KsM | define "monitor the usage" |
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| 01:41.24 | nightfrog | Well like what I get with df and other utilities |
| 01:41.26 | tpw_rules | seems to be working now |
| 01:41.35 | nightfrog | iostat looks promising |
| 01:41.39 | tpw_rules | nightfrog: i'm using raid5, i don't see how dd could do that |
| 01:41.49 | nightfrog | tpw_rules: Ah |
| 01:42.18 | tpw_rules | also, setting up dd on a cronjob seems like a pretty half-assed solution :P |
| 01:42.26 | tpw_rules | (at least that's how i imagine it would be used) |
| 01:42.59 | nightfrog | Why do you need to use cron? |
| 01:43.19 | nightfrog | No, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 01:43.39 | tpw_rules | doesn't that finish eventually? |
| 01:45.31 | zzing | Does grep -r search dot directories such as .ssh as well? |
| 01:45.35 | tpw_rules | also, formatting a 6TB array is slow |
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| 01:52.27 | nsadmin | tpw_rules, it's probably the same rate as any hd, as adjusted by the physical connection and the drive speed |
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| 01:55.18 | youngin | Hey! Why won't "tar cvzf 2012-01* 2012-02* out.tgz" compress all files beginning with 2012-01 and 2012-02 into out.tgz? |
| 01:56.10 | youngin | oh fuck nevermind |
| 01:56.11 | youngin | sorry |
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| 01:56.40 | nsadmin | youngin, you did it wrong... see the man page |
| 01:56.48 | nightfrog | Is apache the web server installed during the debian install? |
| 01:57.07 | nsadmin | there was a web server installed? |
| 01:57.19 | nsadmin | dpkg -s apache2 |
| 01:57.19 | dpkg | Badgers ate my apache2! |
| 01:57.27 | nsadmin | and look at the output |
| 01:58.05 | nightfrog | nsadmin: During the Debian install it asks if you want a GUI, web server, SSH, and so on |
| 01:58.51 | nightfrog | Status: install ok installed |
| 01:58.55 | nightfrog | Looks like it |
| 01:58.58 | nsadmin | not sure why it would do that, in modern times, there are a lot of web servers |
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| 01:59.40 | tpw_rules | so i have an array of three 3TB drives and usable space is 4.3TB |
| 01:59.47 | tpw_rules | i expected it to be closer to six, is this normal? |
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| 02:01.03 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure the decision to keep apache2 as the web server to install was made with fairly long history in mind |
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| 02:01.41 | nsadmin | (you can't have two on the web port, so what do you choose and why?) |
| 02:02.14 | krisfremen | tpw_rules: depending on which raid you chose, yes |
| 02:02.25 | krisfremen | you usually lose one hdd for parity if it has parity |
| 02:02.33 | krisfremen | or a certain percentage of the hdds for parity if it's distributed |
| 02:02.54 | tpw_rules | krisfremen: i have three 3TB drives in raid5 |
| 02:03.06 | tpw_rules | i know it eats one, so i expected at least 5 to account for bogus marketing |
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| 02:04.53 | nightfrog | Wow Linux setup for Apache and some other stuff is a lot different |
| 02:04.54 | tpw_rules | it seems rather low for that arrangement |
| 02:05.03 | nightfrog | Directories anyway |
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| 02:07.47 | krisfremen | tpw_rules: you also lose some to the filesystem |
| 02:08.02 | krisfremen | and if you didn't change the nodeblocks you probably end up with something humongous.. |
| 02:08.37 | tpw_rules | do you think it chopped my drives down to 2TB? |
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| 02:09.09 | tpw_rules | how would i adjust these nodeblocks? |
| 02:10.12 | tpw_rules | eh, i'll figure it out tomorrow |
| 02:10.16 | tpw_rules | thanks for your advice tonight |
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| 02:11.41 | krisfremen | tpw_rules: can't, you have to do it when the fs is initialized I think |
| 02:11.49 | krisfremen | or maybe you can, but I've never tried to do it |
| 02:13.10 | tpw_rules | there's nothing on it |
| 02:13.20 | tpw_rules | i think it chopped the partition size to 2TB |
| 02:13.36 | tpw_rules | btw, in mdadm, is the "spare" drive the parity disk? |
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| 02:21.28 | unomystEz | I installed kernel 3.2.1 with patches but certain packages that need the kernel source can't find it. I made a symlink to the source tree in /usr/src but it doesn't seem to find it. anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 02:31.09 | nightfrog | Hmm, the wireless card in the system doesn't seem to be available. Making this an ap may be a little more work then I thought |
| 02:31.49 | nightfrog | I know the card is Unix/Linux compatible. Used it in Debian, Ubuntu, and FreeBSD before |
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| 02:33.03 | nightfrog | Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
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| 02:33.14 | nightfrog | Is there something special I need to do with this card? |
| 02:33.50 | jagginess | nightfrog, throw it in the garbage? ribbet |
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| 02:34.08 | nightfrog | Sure when you buy me another |
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| 02:36.24 | nightfrog | I found this http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 02:37.27 | nightfrog | Why isn't deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free working? deb not found? |
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| 02:37.52 | cemiotic | lol |
| 02:38.16 | nightfrog | It is funny |
| 02:38.28 | P-Chan | Debian users... I have a big question... is safe use free software? the software is open but few people can read and understand the code |
| 02:39.02 | cemiotic | nightfrog get some rest |
| 02:39.22 | nightfrog | I come from FreeBSD. This deb stuff is a little new. I have done basic installs and removes and purges |
| 02:39.23 | P-Chan | Debian Is made by hackers white hat. How see if a hacker invaded me? |
| 02:39.56 | P-Chan | nightfrog: I not have patience for freebsd. I am a generic user so I use debian based distribuition |
| 02:40.17 | cemiotic | P-Chan you just trust |
| 02:40.25 | P-Chan | Debian needs use super deb by default |
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| 02:41.20 | nightfrog | P-Chan: I like Linux for desktop use but when it comes to servers I have never used anything but FreeBSD or OpenBSD (mainly FreeBSD). The only reason I have used Linux for desktop is because setting up graphics cards is a lot easier in Linux |
| 02:42.16 | P-Chan | cemiotic: How many time takes to compile all debian package and put in repository. nightfrog The setting graphics isn't easier like in proprietary software |
| 02:42.39 | nightfrog | WIth oh hell yeah it is |
| 02:42.48 | cemiotic | P-Chan i am an end user |
| 02:43.04 | P-Chan | nightfrog: no you isn't because you use a pure debian |
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| 02:43.21 | P-Chan | Is painfull to survive there |
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| 02:43.45 | P-Chan | if debian not have package x for example, you need compile |
| 02:43.58 | P-Chan | debian don't have PPA or AUR |
| 02:43.59 | nightfrog | Huh? |
| 02:44.08 | cemiotic | P-Chan there are plenty of them |
| 02:44.10 | P-Chan | [debian don't use superdeb or pbi package |
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| 02:45.06 | Vicophine | Irssi user here, how come I keep getting a lot of lag on IRC but nothing else? |
| 02:45.18 | cemiotic | but i have to admit that some proprietary drivers work better in squeeze |
| 02:45.25 | P-Chan | cemiotic: no dude... no... for example free software developers don't care to put debian package in website like puredata developers. But these developers create for windows |
| 02:45.39 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, is there a client to access google gdrive for debian? |
| 02:45.40 | cemiotic | sid is entirely different matter |
| 02:46.53 | cemiotic | P-Chan: DebIan is a free choice not a must |
| 02:47.41 | cemiotic | Windows is a have to collect viruses donk |
| 02:48.02 | zzing | What should I do to read a ~/Maildir? |
| 02:48.23 | P-Chan | cemiotic: One day a linux developer say me "linux has viruses like windows and mac osx" |
| 02:48.34 | cemiotic | is a spam |
| 02:49.58 | cemiotic | P-Chan: When you understand debian over time, things bocome much, much easier then THE WINDOWS |
| 02:49.58 | P-Chan | cemiotic: is safe to use zram enable and swapness same time? |
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| 02:50.46 | cemiotic | P-Chan: i am a tester not developer, or programmer |
| 02:51.51 | P-Chan | cemiotic: sure? when free software developers will care to package for linux? I love debian but debian don't starts my web connection automatic like non pure debian version. i have fear to use unknow distribuition |
| 02:51.55 | cemiotic | P-Chan: for me debian is freedome |
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| 02:52.19 | zzing | Windows 8 FTW |
| 02:52.47 | P-Chan | cemiotic: for example foresight linux has conary package but i have fear to use that |
| 02:52.58 | cemiotic | P-Chan: when this will happen there will be debian no more |
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| 02:53.10 | P-Chan | zzing: windows 8 will kill the traditional desktop |
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| 02:53.36 | zzing | P-Chan, I am not convinced of that, or that alternatives are not better. |
| 02:53.37 | cemiotic | P-Chan: once you trust things differ |
| 02:54.25 | P-Chan | does debian package works in ubuntu? |
| 02:55.09 | cemiotic | P-Chan you have to pick up what you are after freedome or slavery |
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| 02:56.50 | cemiotic | P-Chan over time things become clearer as a matter of fack |
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| 02:57.41 | P-Chan | cemiotic: Dude, compile software is boring |
| 02:58.10 | cemiotic | P-Chan: Sure |
| 02:58.59 | P-Chan | cemiotic: I will compile inkscape here because the developers put in repository the unstable version |
| 02:59.03 | P-Chan | oh god :( |
| 02:59.46 | cemiotic | P-Chan you can compile all you want but the basis is debian |
| 03:00.42 | P-Chan | cemiotic: dude do you recommend use zram enable and swapness same time? |
| 03:01.15 | cemiotic | you have to ask somebody else on this channel |
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| 03:02.36 | cemiotic | P-Chan try both and you'll see |
| 03:03.19 | P-Chan | cemiotic: Ok. I send this question to zram enabler's developer |
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| 03:04.34 | cemiotic | it took me time but no i have confidence that debian is my choice |
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| 03:17.27 | cemiotic | lol ##math |
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| 04:05.50 | mot | question folks |
| 04:06.23 | mot | i'm working off a build build called thinpro os put out by HP for their thin clients |
| 04:06.42 | mot | i've used multiple versions of this bad boy (from ethc thru squeeze) and yet i keep getting the same error while upgrading packages |
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| 04:07.10 | mot | basically, on random packages it will say something to the effect of ""unable to make backup link of" ../var/local/timezone/.. before installing new version: Input/output error" |
| 04:07.45 | mot | the key is the input/output error..i've ran fsck multiple times on the disk...i've tried this on multiple thinclients..so i'm thinking this is a software not hardware issue...is there something in debian across all versions that would have to be messed up to be throwing that error around? |
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| 04:11.48 | darkblue_b | hello - is there documentation somewhere that describes how to take a Live DVD, boot a debian machine with it, and change the root password ? |
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| 04:13.11 | darkblue_b | I have the Debian Administrators Handbook open, for example |
| 04:13.29 | mot | should just be `password root` |
| 04:13.35 | mot | but that'll only change the pw for that live session |
| 04:14.57 | darkblue_b | I meant, change the root password on the target system on disk |
| 04:15.13 | darkblue_b | hard disk, not the Live system |
| 04:15.27 | mot | oh...not sure |
| 04:15.31 | darkblue_b | reading http://wiki.debian.org/SystemRescue also |
| 04:16.26 | darkblue_b | I imagine I might write over the password and shadow password files |
| 04:16.34 | darkblue_b | but I have not done it |
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| 04:17.41 | gyaresu_iphone | darkblue_b: I cant remember how long since I've had to do that but you may be able to chroot |
| 04:18.01 | gyaresu_iphone | darkblue_b: Why cant you just go into single user mode? |
| 04:18.40 | darkblue_b | I am looking for clues about how to retake a lost password situation |
| 04:18.57 | darkblue_b | I dont know how to do that now |
| 04:19.11 | darkblue_b | without destroying the system |
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| 04:20.50 | darkblue_b | I see - grub recovery mode is single user, which is root |
| 04:20.59 | gyaresu_iphone | darkblue_b: Single user mode doesn't require the root password |
| 04:21.11 | darkblue_b | ok |
| 04:21.33 | darkblue_b | so choose single user at grub time, then chnge the passwd at the prompt, then reboot |
| 04:21.38 | gyaresu_iphone | Yep. So boot into that and $ passwd |
| 04:21.44 | gyaresu_iphone | Yep |
| 04:21.45 | darkblue_b | aha |
| 04:21.49 | darkblue_b | thank you |
| 04:21.50 | gyaresu_iphone | :) |
| 04:21.54 | gyaresu_iphone | Np |
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| 04:23.10 | darkblue_b | changing subject slightly, have people read this Debian Administrators Handbook ? favorite sections? |
| 04:23.46 | darkblue_b | "only" 450 pages :-) |
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| 04:32.27 | isaac__ | When updating, do I want to say yes or no to "Do you want to perform a safe-upgrade, which does not remove packages or install new ones?" ? Thanks. |
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| 04:33.46 | darkblue_b | hmm update means 'refresh the list of available packages' I think, while 'upgrade' means install new software, so the question is worded awkwardly |
| 04:34.07 | isaac__ | Ah, there's bold up top |
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| 04:34.24 | isaac__ | "Upgrading may require removal or installation of new packages." followed by the previous quote I put. |
| 04:34.51 | darkblue_b | yeah - upgrade is a change in version of software, update is not |
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| 04:35.24 | isaac__ | Ah. I said update because it's in the update manager. |
| 04:35.27 | isaac__ | But which do I choose? |
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| 04:35.51 | darkblue_b | do you want new versions of software? |
| 04:35.55 | isaac__ | yes. |
| 04:35.59 | isaac__ | So I pick no? |
| 04:36.39 | darkblue_b | yes I want to perform a safe upgrade, is what I think you want.. as far as I can tell |
| 04:36.46 | isaac__ | Ok. Thank you. |
| 04:37.17 | darkblue_b | even worse example - man hdparm |
| 04:37.53 | darkblue_b | thing I want to do routinely, -S set low power mode |
| 04:38.07 | darkblue_b | notice -s, lower case s.. VERY DANGEROUS it says |
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| 04:38.41 | darkblue_b | what the **# !!! if I accidently do lower case s instead of upper case S I blow out my drive !!? |
| 04:38.48 | isaac__ | lol |
| 04:38.52 | darkblue_b | thats an example of what I consider the bad old days |
| 04:39.41 | darkblue_b | I found that two days ago trying to do some routine maintenance |
| 04:40.15 | darkblue_b | a 2TB 'green' drive, set the sleep on it |
| 04:40.24 | isaac__ | Do you think you could help me with 1 more thing in a couple of minutes, darkblue_b ? I've tried upgrading stuff before and it always warns me that it's changing nvidia something and that stuff might break so I always abort. |
| 04:40.56 | sxpert1 | darkblue_b: either option is rather dangerous... |
| 04:41.04 | darkblue_b | oohh - I might be wary of the NVidia driver too.. I think I have not updated my desktop for that very reason |
| 04:41.16 | darkblue_b | sxpert1: ?? |
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| 04:41.59 | darkblue_b | hdparm -S worked fine, after -B reported a 'not supported' |
| 04:42.12 | darkblue_b | hdparm -S 1 iir |
| 04:42.43 | sxpert1 | isaac__: your safest bet is "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
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| 04:43.16 | isaac__ | Thank you, sxpert1 |
| 04:43.20 | darkblue_b | isaac__: probably everyone knows more than I do here, though I do run a few systems for my day job |
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| 04:44.18 | darkblue_b | plus I am located at the foot of UC Berkeley, and people run BSD to this day :p |
| 04:45.06 | sxpert1 | well, BSD is the result of a mix between hacking & LSD |
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| 04:45.26 | darkblue_b | true! |
| 04:45.38 | darkblue_b | but thats not as bad as it sounds |
| 04:45.43 | darkblue_b | :D |
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| 05:33.24 | cemiotic | hi guys! |
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| 05:54.36 | zzing | Does anyone know any open source / free softwares that allow one to implement software based two factor authentication? |
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| 06:06.45 | CWDe174 | please, connect irc.arcamens.com, freenode doesnt have an equalitarian stance with users. it expects you to donnate so it can provide a differential behavior as it happened with snardbafulator and others. |
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| 06:09.32 | Gabrielfst | anyone knows a opensource software for security cams? |
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| 06:16.43 | luke3321 | Hey all. Bit of a perdicament. I am trying to use the fglrx drivers for my notebook (So I can have the card switching to save power), but when I try to use the integrated card, Xorg reports "Failed to load module fglrx (Module does not exist)". Anyone seen this before? |
| 06:16.57 | luke3321 | I have tried clean installing multiple times, to no avail |
| 06:18.05 | aleksm | I get this whenever I try to install ghc, any ideas? http://dpaste.org/a8usG/ |
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| 06:20.47 | r0b- | whats the point of the kfreebsd Debians? |
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| 06:31.33 | ageis | the newest apache package on wheezy, it seems apt doesn't want to listen about keeping the local apache2.conf and replaces it with the new version anyway |
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| 06:33.06 | burung_antu | Hello,,, |
| 06:33.12 | burung_antu | have a malay here?? |
| 06:33.28 | r0b- | hi i have a PC running windows vista using a Linksys WUSB54GV V3 wireless adapter how would i load the firmware/driver during Debian's install if this is even possible |
| 06:34.30 | burung_antu | hi.. i already have install some linux in my pc.. but by the way... i cannot mount my particion.. have any solution? |
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| 06:35.04 | r0b- | what filesystem? |
| 06:35.32 | burung_antu | fat 32.. |
| 06:35.45 | OutOfLine | after not updating a wheezy system for 2 weeks i'm no longer able to do so using aptitude. it leaves a whole lot of packages unconfigured, saying that 'processing was halted because there were too many errors'. I have tried to find a clue in log files and man aptitude, but do not really know what to look for. Please give me a hint... |
| 06:36.25 | r0b- | burung_antu did you try sudo mount -t vfat /dev/yourfatpartition /mnt/mountpoint |
| 06:36.26 | r0b- | ? |
| 06:36.44 | burung_antu | i will try it.. |
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| 06:37.43 | burung_antu | if i use debian?? i will do like that?? |
| 06:37.51 | r0b- | yes |
| 06:37.56 | burung_antu | or have any type for solution? |
| 06:37.59 | zzing | OutOfLine, I have left a testing system for over a month between updates |
| 06:38.10 | aleksm | I get this whenever I try to install ghc, any ideas? http://dpaste.org/a8usG/ |
| 06:39.57 | OutOfLine | zzing: so did i, many times. usually it worked well, but this time i'm stuck :( |
| 06:40.12 | zzing | OutOfLine, let me check my vm |
| 06:40.26 | burung_antu | i didn't understand.. |
| 06:40.32 | burung_antu | i'm newbie.. |
| 06:40.35 | lasers` | OutOfLine: Welcome to testing. :) |
| 06:40.53 | zzing | Is there a way to tell the last time I updated those files? |
| 06:41.26 | OutOfLine | lasers`: don't tell me not to use testing and/or sid, i will do it anyway :) |
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| 06:41.47 | burung_antu | #rob have any solution? |
| 06:41.54 | lasers` | zzing: Perhaps in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 06:42.28 | zzing | May 23rd |
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| 06:44.10 | zzing | Is there any way to prevent 'w' from showing a non-root user what other users are doing on the system? |
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| 06:44.48 | OutOfLine | not that i haven't seen problems upgrading before, but my experience was that usually it was enough to wait a bit and things usually strightend out within a few days, not this time |
| 06:45.20 | zzing | OutOfLine, can you describe exactly what you are doing? |
| 06:45.34 | zzing | I would assume you are doing aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 06:46.03 | OutOfLine | yes, but also tried full-upgrade |
| 06:46.11 | zzing | Have you tried apt-get? |
| 06:46.23 | OutOfLine | not this time |
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| 06:46.32 | zzing | Couldn't hurt |
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| 06:48.49 | zzing | OutOfLine, have you tried using dpkg to finish the configuration? |
| 06:49.29 | jin_toyol | hi all... why my gparted cannpt scanning device? |
| 06:49.44 | jin_toyol | hi all... why my gparted cannot scanning device? |
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| 06:51.17 | mikey | hey debian |
| 06:51.18 | jin_toyol | have any sollution? |
| 06:51.22 | mikey | FOR WHAT |
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| 06:51.49 | jin_toyol | for gparted |
| 06:51.51 | lasers` | hey mikey! |
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| 06:56.10 | OutOfLine | zzing: no luck with apt-get yet, still trying |
| 06:57.13 | OutOfLine | at least i have a list of unmet dependencies, so what now? |
| 06:57.31 | zzing | OutOfLine, can you try dpkg --configure --pending (I think that is the list) |
| 06:57.37 | zzing | paste the output |
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| 07:03.35 | zzing | Is there any way of determining what packages from testing are installed? |
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| 07:06.15 | OutOfLine | zzing: Setting up fontconfig-config (2.9.0-3) ... on sdtout, but a lot more scrolling by on the screen |
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| 07:06.30 | zzing | OutOfLine, use a redirect to a file |
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| 07:12.34 | philipballew | in the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Nouveau it claims that the Nouveau driver is expermental only, yet thats what was installed by default. I am not able to send any output of my dvi port on my graphics card. Only my vga. |
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| 07:15.00 | OutOfLine | zzing: 'dpkg --configure --pending 2> /tmp/dpkg-errors' on http://pastebin.com/jQpcApa9 |
| 07:16.35 | Midas3 | i have built a kernel with make-kpkg --initrd. in the resulting deb i cannot find a initrd.gz. i guess it will be created on installation. as the kernel is x86 and i am only running amd64 machines this is not that simple. any chance to derive an initrd just from the deb? |
| 07:16.38 | zzing | OutOfLine, if you do aptitude versions libcelt0-0 do you have one called 0.7.1? |
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| 07:17.31 | zzing | IF you do, try to install it, record the output and compare |
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| 07:20.05 | OutOfLine | zzing: p 0.7.1-1 testing 500 |
| 07:20.17 | zzing | I think that is pending |
| 07:20.45 | zzing | OutOfLine, I think the idea here is to look at the output and find the dependencies and install them |
| 07:20.52 | zzing | and hope you have no circular |
| 07:21.21 | zzing | Have you tried to see if aptitude can fix it in the gui? |
| 07:21.30 | OutOfLine | sure :) |
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| 07:21.56 | OutOfLine | normally it did a good job |
| 07:24.14 | zzing | The alternative is to reinstall |
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| 07:25.40 | OutOfLine | zzing: i have tried to uninstall some packages like gnome (as long as i have emacs i can live without ;) and re-installing. did not really help. |
| 07:26.02 | zzing | OutOfLine, can you uninstall back to a base system? |
| 07:27.22 | OutOfLine | i could, but first would like to try to resolve it and learn something on the way |
| 07:27.50 | aleksm | I get this whenever I try to install ghc, any ideas? http://dpaste.org/a8usG/ |
| 07:28.20 | zzing | OutOfLine, try posting on a forum. Nobody else seems to be around with an idea. |
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| 07:29.43 | zzing | aleksm, on my server, I don't have a packaged named ghc. But I did compile it from source the other day. |
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| 07:30.06 | zzing | This server is rather flakey, so it is hard to say if that is a reason |
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| 07:30.50 | aleksm | zzing: I see. Do you think this is a packaging bug? I think the configure script should be handling update-alternative priorities, no? |
| 07:31.09 | zzing | aleksm, I suspect so. It looks like a bug. Check the bug reporter |
| 07:31.17 | aleksm | zzing: will do, thanks. |
| 07:31.33 | sime | I've just discovered Gnome3 Screencast recording. I hit Ctrl+Shift+Alt+R and I get the red circle, but the output *.webm files are always 300 bytes. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet#Screencast_recording |
| 07:32.53 | sime | It's also seems to have a progress bar beneth it, but i'm not sure what is represents though |
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| 07:45.41 | nahhh | http://pastebin.com/bmeBcTT4 it still deletes them, but I receive these errors. Why? |
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| 08:00.33 | The_Eccentric | I just installed wheezy |
| 08:00.47 | The_Eccentric | and add my new user to the visduo file |
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| 08:01.04 | The_Eccentric | but still give me uname not apart of the visudo file errors |
| 08:01.13 | The_Eccentric | any thoughts |
| 08:01.17 | The_Eccentric | if anyones awake |
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| 08:02.27 | OutOfLine | zzing: the more i try, the worth it gets ;-) so i will switch using a stable install from another hd on the same machine for a few days and build a new testing system. i will install less packages this time reducing dependency complexity. thanks a lot for your help. |
| 08:02.52 | zzing | OutOfLine, you are most welcome |
| 08:03.02 | zzing | OutOfLine, what is your motivation for using debian? |
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| 08:03.50 | OutOfLine | i tried a few distros, starting around 1995 (I think) |
| 08:04.17 | OutOfLine | i met debian pretty soon and newer changed back ;) |
| 08:04.17 | zzing | I have been experimenting on arch on a vm. It is worth looking. I am looking at a few things for a new server my student group is installing. |
| 08:04.35 | Debolaz | has yet to try arch linux. |
| 08:04.38 | zzing | Virtualization sounds interesting |
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| 08:05.25 | zzing | The main tech guy wants netbsd on the real hardware because it is dead simple and has no hairy things. Less to go wrong = better in his view. The real server install that is something we want to evaluate. |
| 08:05.27 | The_Eccentric | zzing: gentoo is nice |
| 08:05.35 | Debolaz | zzing: If virtualization is interesting, proxmox is the right distro. |
| 08:05.54 | OutOfLine | i have tried specialiced audio distros like crma (fedora based) |
| 08:05.56 | Debolaz | NetBSD? Wow, people still use that. |
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| 08:06.07 | derric | Hello, I am trying to build the liquid resize pluging for gimp. Durning configure it says I need the gimp headers. I have gimp 2.6.xxx intalled on my squeeze system. I tried to intall the gimp-2.0 headers, although there is a dependence issue and it says that it need the libgimp-2.4.7 How can I install the gimp headers so I can build the plugin? |
| 08:06.24 | zzing | Debolaz, it runs on everything |
| 08:06.36 | zzing | Debolaz, proxmox looks like a company |
| 08:06.39 | Debolaz | zzing: So does Linux, but Linux has been updated since the 90s, NetBSD hasn't. |
| 08:06.51 | Debolaz | NetBSD is essentially abandonware. |
| 08:06.56 | zzing | Debolaz, have you really been paying attention to it? |
| 08:07.11 | zzing | They have constantly been updating it |
| 08:07.15 | Debolaz | Bumping the version number does not mean anything of interest has been improved on it. |
| 08:07.16 | zzing | The_Eccentric, I can't handle gentoo |
| 08:07.27 | The_Eccentric | y |
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| 08:07.46 | zzing | The_Eccentric, I don't fancy compiling everything. |
| 08:08.25 | The_Eccentric | you can adpat to it |
| 08:08.39 | OutOfLine | zzing: so my motivation for using debian is that it was the best :) including audio work, why do you ask? |
| 08:08.47 | zzing | OutOfLine, just curious |
| 08:08.56 | zzing | debian does have many things going for it |
| 08:09.01 | Debolaz | will never, ever use Gentoo again. |
| 08:09.06 | Debolaz | I'd rather use NetBSD. :-P |
| 08:09.40 | zzing | The main thing my group needs to consider is that in a few years we will all be gone, although unlikely it is possible that that will be true even next year as things change quickly as a student group. |
| 08:09.47 | zzing | So we don't want anything incredibly wierd |
| 08:09.48 | Debolaz | zzing: ProxMox VME is a Debian based distribution dedicated to running virtual environments. |
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| 08:10.00 | Debolaz | zzing: Yet another reason to avoid NetBSD. |
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| 08:10.37 | zzing | Debolaz, sufficient documentation is likely something that would be good enough for that. |
| 08:10.45 | zzing | It is the main server that people will be touching |
| 08:10.49 | zzing | Not the hardware dom0 |
| 08:11.08 | OutOfLine | i like the importance of freedom (to some degree ;) and being non commercial |
| 08:11.21 | OutOfLine | and the package managment |
| 08:12.03 | zzing | In our case 'freedom' and 'non-commercial' are absolutely of no concern to us :-) |
| 08:12.11 | zzing | I run a mac, so even personally I don't care :P |
| 08:12.16 | Debolaz | zzing: I don't think NetBSD has very good documentation either. |
| 08:12.26 | Debolaz | Not compared to FreeBSD anyway. |
| 08:12.28 | zzing | Debolaz, I never had a problem with its documentation |
| 08:12.34 | zzing | I am looking at FreeBSD too |
| 08:12.46 | zzing | We can't use OpenVZ based anything because we don't want linux to be our stuck |
| 08:12.48 | Debolaz | Anyway, you seem to be set on using NetBSD just for the sake of using it, so just go with that, you're obviously not going to change your mind. :) |
| 08:13.03 | Debolaz | There's no point debating something if you are only looking for confirmation of your opinion. |
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| 08:14.32 | jelly-home | there's no point debating anything in a tech. support channel |
| 08:14.56 | zzing | Debolaz, it isn't my mind, it is the mind of another. If it creates a real problem, then we are certainly changing it. I would rather it fail and that provide the reason then trying to convince him not to for exactly the reasons why you say |
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| 08:26.38 | Ormie | hello |
| 08:26.44 | Ormie | how do I download debian? |
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| 08:26.53 | zzing | Ormie, did you visit the website? |
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| 08:27.33 | Ormie | zzing, yes. But what do I have to do with the seperated .iso files |
| 08:27.40 | Ormie | do I have to join them? |
| 08:27.49 | zzing | Ormie, separated iso files? |
| 08:27.57 | zzing | Which ones did you download |
| 08:28.04 | Ormie | hold on |
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| 08:28.55 | Ormie | zzing, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 08:29.08 | Ormie | as you can see, there is dvd-1 and so on |
| 08:29.15 | zzing | Ormie, those are individual dvds |
| 08:29.21 | Debolaz | notes Debian has a somewhat confusing website for newbies. |
| 08:29.22 | zzing | Did you download all of those? |
| 08:29.40 | Ormie | I haven't downloaded them, I am here to check for info |
| 08:29.47 | zzing | Ormie, good :-) |
| 08:29.51 | Ormie | I just want to download a complete debian |
| 08:30.06 | zzing | Ormie, do you need a complete or can you do an install over the net with a minimal image? |
| 08:30.38 | Ormie | zzing, complete and install some packages on the net. like what i do in ubuntu |
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| 08:31.12 | zzing | Ormie, I suspect you can probably get away with the first dvd. The other dvds should be extra packages that you can just get on the net. |
| 08:31.46 | Ormie | you mean, debian-6.0.5-amd64-DVD-1.iso? |
| 08:31.49 | zzing | yes |
| 08:32.04 | zzing | What would happen, assuming this is the same as before, is that with the dvds you have it will offer to scan them for you and when installing just prompt you as a source. |
| 08:32.04 | Ormie | ok, i'll try that. thanks |
| 08:32.20 | Ormie | ok |
| 08:32.20 | zzing | Downloading all of them is just a waste of dvds imo |
| 08:32.35 | zzing | Bittorrent can also be nice and fast if you are able |
| 08:33.15 | zzing | The legal stuff on bittorrent for linux distros and friends is actually rather amazingly nice for speed. |
| 08:34.09 | jelly-home | Ormie: if you have a wired internet connection at install time, that first image (or even the smaller netinst one) ought to be enough |
| 08:34.25 | Ormie | my internet is slow |
| 08:35.40 | Ormie | I hope debian is good :D |
| 08:35.45 | Ormie | doesn't like unity |
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| 08:36.14 | Ormie | what is the differences between CD and DVD? |
| 08:36.20 | zzing | number of packages on it |
| 08:36.55 | zzing | Ormie, why would you not like unity? It isn't like it isn't bizarre in wierd ways :P |
| 08:37.16 | OutOfLine | I wouldnt even download dvds, first cd is more then enough |
| 08:37.19 | Ormie | zzing, it's too messy |
| 08:37.48 | zzing | Ormie, hidden menu bars and other things? |
| 08:38.01 | Ormie | yeah |
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| 08:38.14 | Ormie | hidden bar at the left, my mom uses windows and she didn't like it |
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| 08:39.41 | zzing | Ormie, you don't need to ditch ubuntu to get rid of unity |
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| 08:40.14 | zzing | Although there are good reasons for going with debian otherwise, I just wouldn't do it if that was your only problem |
| 08:40.38 | Ormie | ? |
| 08:41.02 | Ormie | Btw, why does debian looks more classic than ubuntu? |
| 08:41.45 | zzing | Ormie, it sounds like you should avoid gnome 3 as well |
| 08:42.10 | Debolaz | Unity is one of the reasons I use Ubuntu. :) |
| 08:42.10 | Ormie | why? |
| 08:42.26 | Ormie | Debolaz, unity is buggy to me. |
| 08:42.31 | Ormie | KDE is also buggy |
| 08:42.52 | OutOfLine | Ormie: on slow connection I would just download a small netinst image and then install only packages you want from the net. I use netinst images also on good connections, btw. |
| 08:42.55 | Debolaz | Most likely, it's compiz thats buggy. And I agree, compiz is something I'm not a big fan of. But most problems seems to have gone away in 12.04 |
| 08:42.57 | zzing | Ormie, it looks like you can get gnome 2.3, XFCE 4.6, and LDXE 0.5.0 for debian stable |
| 08:43.01 | Debolaz | At least for me. |
| 08:43.20 | Ormie | zzing, why does debian look more classic than ubuntu? |
| 08:43.44 | zzing | Ormie, probably because it doesn't have people that want to change everything every release |
| 08:44.01 | Debolaz | Yes, let's just keep the windows 95 thing going. :) |
| 08:44.07 | zzing | Debian may be patch happy, but generally conservative |
| 08:44.20 | zzing | If you want simple interface, XFCE and LXDE can be configured to work like windows (<8) |
| 08:44.32 | Debolaz | notes that he finds it ironic that a lot of the so called hardcore Linux users actually complains about recent developments essentially because they're going away from the windows 95 way. |
| 08:44.33 | zzing | You can do it with ubuntu I suspect, just get rid of unity and reconfigure |
| 08:44.37 | Ormie | thanks |
| 08:44.55 | zzing | Ormie, I use XFCE whenever I need to use linux |
| 08:45.00 | Ormie | ok |
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| 08:45.15 | Debolaz | Granted, windows 95 isn't a horrible GUI, but people should at least admit that's why they're criticizing Unity and Gnome 3. |
| 08:45.39 | Ormie | so debian is gnome 2? |
| 08:45.43 | zzing | on stable it is |
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| 08:45.53 | zzing | on testing, check distrowatch.org |
| 08:46.08 | Ormie | I am an experienced linux user so I don't need to make debian look like windows. XD |
| 08:46.09 | zzing | Debolaz, I am a mac user. I find gnome 2 to be pretty decent, I couldn't get used to unity - I really did try. I haven't installed gnome 3 yet - waste of bandwidth probably for me. |
| 08:46.20 | mntzn | Hi, what package is responsible for /vmlinuz symlink to an actual kernel |
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| 08:46.26 | zzing | Ormie, you invoked "your mother" so I had to be towards that end. |
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| 08:47.26 | Ormie | eh? |
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| 08:48.02 | Debolaz | zzing: I tried to give gnome 3 a chance, but even after several days of use, it still felt that merely switching tasks was a dedicated task in itself. |
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| 08:48.52 | Debolaz | Unity would be perfect if they got rid of compiz. :) |
| 08:48.54 | zzing | Debolaz, I have tried windows 8 ( the latest), and baring philosophical discussions, I find its usability to be great when I use it for a bit (so familiarity) |
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| 08:49.01 | Debolaz | Well, it'd still look butt ugly. But it'd be functionally perfect. |
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| 08:49.11 | Debolaz | As a sidenote, I also use mac. |
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| 08:50.24 | Debolaz | I mean, really, Unity looks ugly. It's not a pretty view. Why bother with compiz if you're not going to try to make it look pretty? |
| 08:50.31 | Ormie | can I install debian from USB? |
| 08:50.38 | sturles | Yes. |
| 08:50.57 | teenie | how bout...on a usb ? |
| 08:51.03 | zzing | Debolaz, it just seems that for the last decade you had gnome following a mac philosophy while copying windows, and KDE following a windows philosophy while copying windows, and then just in the last couple years (not counting KDE, don't know much of them) - it seems that all the big ones (not XFCE, LXDE) started going insane with 'new' interfaces people just complain about. |
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| 08:51.36 | zzing | That is not likely really representative, but I am an outsider from gui on linux |
| 08:51.44 | Debolaz | zzing: Many of the complaints I've seen has essentially been "it's not windows 95" though. |
| 08:51.55 | Debolaz | zzing: Especially from the so called hardcore linux users. |
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| 08:52.36 | zzing | Debolaz, in fairness, windows 95 as an interface (perhaps improved by XP) was a very functional desktop |
| 08:52.41 | Ormie | does debian also have the version upgrade system that I can upgrade the version without formatting it? |
| 08:52.56 | zzing | Ormie, yes and the first one to do that I believe :-) |
| 08:53.02 | Ormie | oh |
| 08:53.03 | Ormie | ok |
| 08:53.15 | zzing | apt-get dist-upgrade was the old way as I recall |
| 08:53.22 | zzing | after editing sources.lst |
| 08:53.22 | Ormie | ok |
| 08:53.24 | OutOfLine | teenie: you can boot from a usb stick with the installer on it and then do a netinstall |
| 08:54.46 | Debolaz | zzing: Sure, windows 95 was a good step forward at the time. It's not bad as such. But the complaints isn't that the new developments are worse, it's that it's not the same. Few people bother to actually formulate the issues they have with the new alternatives because if they did, "it's not windows 95" is what they'd say. And for a so called hardcore linux user, that's not something he or she wants to admit. |
| 08:54.46 | Debolaz | There are legitimate complaints with Unity, sure, but those are rarely the complaints actually made. |
| 08:55.13 | teenie | OutOfLine.....and get a usb installation...on say a 4Gb stick ? |
| 08:55.45 | zzing | Debolaz, I suspect that people get used to things and don't like change. It isn't like a control valve that has to be supported for two decades or more. |
| 08:55.54 | Debolaz | Compiz being too unstable is a perfectly legitimate complaint for instance, it's a real issue and certainly hampers productivity if it happens frequently to you. |
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| 08:56.21 | OutOfLine | teenie: do you want your installation *from* the stick or *on* the stick? |
| 08:56.27 | Debolaz | As it happens, compiz has been pretty stable for me on 12.04 but I suspect it's very sensitive to underlying hardware. |
| 08:56.43 | zzing | I remember when people were releasing that compiz crap when it was new and they enabled so many transitions it was unusable. |
| 08:56.47 | teenie | OutOfLine...On the stick.... |
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| 08:57.01 | babilen | Ormie: The upgrade process is detailed in the release notes of each new release. See "/msg dpkg release notes" for the current ones and "/msg dpkg lenny->sqyeeze" for a short summary. |
| 08:57.06 | Debolaz | remembers back in the days when compiz leaked video memory. :( |
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| 08:57.43 | OutOfLine | so start an installer from anywhere, and then later during installation select the stick when selecting partitions |
| 08:58.12 | zzing | umm, ""/msg dpkg lenny->sqyeeze"" <-- isn't that missing a u in sqyeeze |
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| 08:58.18 | teenie | I wanna make a server , so using the usb stick would save "ribbon space" for hdd for storage |
| 08:58.21 | OutOfLine | i have done similar things many times |
| 08:58.40 | Debolaz | And compiz still requires enormous amounts of memory compared to just about any other alternative. |
| 08:59.19 | teenie | OutOfLine...Just pick the usb stick as the installation location during install you say ? |
| 08:59.44 | zzing | Debolaz, there are alternatives? |
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| 09:00.40 | OutOfLine | the installer will ask about hd partitioning. select manual and make sure you select the device of the stick ;) |
| 09:00.58 | Debolaz | zzing: Alternative window managers, not alternative flashy pointless stuff. :) |
| 09:01.06 | teenie | That is essentially ..as easy as it gets ... |
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| 09:01.57 | zzing | Debolaz, I would point out that it isn't 'flashy pointless stuff'. Compositing is used to great effect on the mac and even windows without being overly flashy. It being accelerated on a cpu lends itself to a few advantages over 2d acceleration. |
| 09:02.15 | Debolaz | zzing: True. |
| 09:02.35 | teenie | I'll prolly unplug my hard drives to be safe |
| 09:02.37 | Debolaz | But I don't need a rotating cube, that I will stand by. |
| 09:03.00 | OutOfLine | make up your mind about swap partition, installation will insist on it. but debian runs fine without swap, which might be fine in situations like running from a usb stick as only storage resource. |
| 09:03.27 | zzing | Debolaz, rotating cube is only used for user switching on the mac. I am thinking about the transition between desktops being more fluid being a nice one. |
| 09:04.17 | teenie | I did read in the Debian "Book" that 4 Gb would be enuff space for the install specially for a simple home network file server |
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| 09:05.38 | OutOfLine | teenie: it's more then enough, you could get away with less than 1G, me thinks |
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| 09:07.47 | teenie | Well thats good , I'd rather have spare room than not....right now I am 4unning an xp headless on a 4Gb stick that has only 380 mb to spare |
| 09:08.13 | OutOfLine | teenie: on 4Gb you can install much more then you'll need, which i wouldn't do for your use case |
| 09:08.17 | teenie | And xp fills up when you arent paying attention |
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| 09:09.14 | teenie | OutOfLine.....No I would just dedicate to Squeeze |
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| 09:11.48 | teenie | Xp is on a compact not a flash |
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| 09:12.55 | teenie | Xp doesnt run well from a flash as I recall |
| 09:13.18 | OutOfLine | teenie: don't try to use the vfat file system that's on the stick, let the installer format it. that's the default, if i remember correctly |
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| 09:14.07 | teenie | I'll format to fat32 then run the installer and let it offer me choices |
| 09:14.50 | OutOfLine | no need to format before installing |
| 09:16.03 | OutOfLine | you don't try to boot the installer from the same stick you want the installation to be, do you? |
| 09:16.28 | teenie | I guess the less it gets messed with the longer it will last huh? |
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| 09:17.05 | teenie | Wont I just run the cd and install to usb |
| 09:17.16 | OutOfLine | yes |
| 09:17.28 | teenie | Yah...Thats what I figgered |
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| 09:18.09 | teenie | I did it once a few years back and had to add persistence....so it couldnt auto boot to persistence |
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| 09:18.26 | teenie | It auto booted to live |
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| 09:20.36 | teenie | had to key in persist at boot |
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| 09:22.00 | Ormie | Can i see known issues and bugs? |
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| 09:23.57 | OutOfLine | teenie: sorry, no clue what you're talking about |
| 09:24.54 | teenie | np....I was just recalling a debian installation to usb a few years back |
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| 09:58.50 | Qrc | I'm having problems installing newer fglrx-driver from squeeze backports. Even though I unistall the old driver first, the command apt-get -t squeeze-backports install fglrx-driver fglrx-control won't install the newer backports-version. It installs the same version that squeeze repositories have. I have added squeeze-backports to my sources.list and I have done apt-get update. |
| 09:59.06 | Qrc | Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 10:02.12 | babilen | Qrc: fglrx-driver is *not* in squeeze-backports |
| 10:02.24 | babilen | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 10:02.25 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6~beta-1 |
| 10:03.09 | babilen | Qrc: And I strongly recommend to use the radeon driver anyway unless you have a good reason not to. (/msg dpkg radeon) |
| 10:03.19 | Qrc | oh, I thought it was. |
| 10:03.34 | babilen | ,v fglrx-driver --arch amd64 |
| 10:03.35 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 1:12-6~beta-1 |
| 10:03.46 | Qrc | when I looked it from packages.debian.org I found it from backports...? |
| 10:03.47 | babilen | Qrc: Are you on amd64? |
| 10:03.47 | themill | o-0 |
| 10:03.50 | Qrc | yes I am |
| 10:04.22 | babilen | Qrc: In that case show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy fglrx-driver" |
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| 10:05.52 | Qrc | amm, quite long output. what exactly would you like to know? |
| 10:06.36 | babilen | Qrc: Paste it to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 10:06.41 | Qrc | ok |
| 10:07.39 | Ormie | c |
| 10:09.13 | Qrc | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/173783/ |
| 10:09.23 | Qrc | I currently have uninstalled the old version of fglrx... |
| 10:10.09 | babilen | Qrc: It is in non-free -- You merely forgot to enable it for backports as well. I'd make sure that you have "main contrib non-free" at the end of the backports line in your sources.list |
| 10:10.21 | babilen | Qrc: Why do want/need fglrx btw? |
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| 10:10.47 | Qrc | I need 3d acceleration... |
| 10:10.57 | Qrc | and I have had some problems with this older version... |
| 10:11.50 | babilen | Qrc: The free driver provides 3D hardware acceleration and you can quite easily install a newer Xorg and kernel version from backports. |
| 10:11.53 | babilen | !radeon |
| 10:11.54 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 10:12.41 | Qrc | Is that the driver used by default with ati's cards in squeeze? |
| 10:12.51 | babilen | Qrc: Did you read that ^^^^ ? I mentioned it earlier. For kernel and xorg refer to "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" -- You can, however, use fglrx but IMHO radeon is preferred unless you need specific features of fglrx. |
| 10:13.06 | jelly-home | like speed? |
| 10:13.06 | Qrc | ok. |
| 10:13.13 | babilen | Qrc: Yes it is -- You have to make sure that you have libgl1-mesa-dri and the firmware installed. |
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| 10:13.46 | Qrc | Thank you very much. I could give it a try? And if it is not enough, I can always use fglrx again... |
| 10:14.33 | babilen | jelly-home: Is fglrx really that much faster than radeon? I never had any problems with it while I still had a radeon GPU. fglrx OTOH caused me hours of headaches and troubles though. (e.g. similar to the fglrx vs xorg 1.12 situation right now) |
| 10:15.01 | Qrc | although, can I control my graphics cards fan speed with radeon? |
| 10:16.18 | babilen | Qrc: I never had to do that manually so no idea really :-/ |
| 10:16.31 | wuffi600 | what packages need to be installed on whezzy kfreebsd to be able to set a non-US keyboard for console? |
| 10:16.34 | Qrc | well, I have to take a look... |
| 10:17.05 | Qrc | For some reason my GPU's fan speed is way too much when idle. |
| 10:17.58 | babilen | Qrc: Well, tias. |
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| 10:19.39 | Ormie | I want to join the bug squad. how? |
| 10:19.40 | Qrc | babilen: maybe I will. Thanks for help and info :) |
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| 10:26.32 | dragonslay | what's the best approach to save the clonezilla clone of installed debian system. currently i do not have a external HDD, so i'll have to make use of the same HDD. i can go with lvm or a seperate partition. |
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| 10:27.42 | jelly-home | babilen: dunno, I last used it in 2008 (and it was, back then) |
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| 10:36.56 | alex- | I have a strange problem, some applications of me are getting killed |
| 10:37.03 | alex- | It just says: 'Killed' |
| 10:37.16 | Wulf | alex-: haha ;) |
| 10:37.50 | alex- | what's funny about it? |
| 10:37.54 | Wulf | alex-: anything suspicious in kernel log? |
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| 10:38.03 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.13 | alex- | kern.log ? |
| 10:38.15 | Wulf | alex-: kern.log or execute dmesg |
| 10:38.55 | alex- | https://paste.nl.eu.org/c8WSkrNK |
| 10:40.45 | alex- | Wulf: ^ |
| 10:40.45 | nkuttler | !tell alex- about oom |
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| 10:41.10 | nkuttler | that doesn't look very useful... |
| 10:41.32 | nkuttler | alex-: anyway, you're running out of memory, the kernel picks a process to kill. buy more ram or start using a swap partition |
| 10:41.48 | nkuttler | ow, more swap |
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| 10:42.11 | daniel-s | hi |
| 10:42.33 | alex- | http://1.nl.eu.org/i/Mkq.png |
| 10:42.37 | daniel-s | is there a partition hex code that I can use on a removable hard drive that will cause it to be ignored by linux? |
| 10:42.57 | Wulf | daniel-s: try 42 |
| 10:43.07 | daniel-s | SFS? |
| 10:43.09 | daniel-s | ok |
| 10:43.12 | nkuttler | alex-: that's useless |
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| 10:43.22 | alex- | nkuttler: what do you mean? |
| 10:43.42 | Wulf | daniel-s: or maybe 00 :) |
| 10:43.57 | nkuttler | alex-: you're running out of memory, the kernel picks a process to kill. buy more ram |
| 10:44.14 | alex- | but I'm not using much ram.. |
| 10:44.17 | alex- | according to htop |
| 10:44.25 | nkuttler | alex-: you were when the process got killed |
| 10:45.36 | nkuttler | alex-: btw, your swap is really tiny |
| 10:45.57 | alex- | http://1.nl.eu.org/i/VH6.png |
| 10:45.59 | nkuttler | you should have something like 2G |
| 10:46.03 | alex- | I don't really see ram being used very much |
| 10:46.21 | alex- | The problem occured at 09:37:44 |
| 10:46.23 | nkuttler | alex-: ok, you don't want to believe me. |
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| 10:46.44 | nkuttler | is that some VPS or something? |
| 10:46.56 | alex- | yes |
| 10:46.58 | nkuttler | haha |
| 10:47.07 | Ormie | What is debian based on? |
| 10:47.07 | nkuttler | and you believe the reported stats? |
| 10:47.19 | nkuttler | Ormie: GNU and Linux? |
| 10:47.20 | alex- | the reported stats are from the main machine |
| 10:47.30 | alex- | the host that is running the VPS |
| 10:47.31 | Wulf | Ormie: Windows NT.4 |
| 10:47.46 | nkuttler | alex-: that sounds wrong. your host has 1G memory? |
| 10:47.53 | alex- | no |
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| 10:48.00 | nkuttler | that's what your graph shows |
| 10:48.05 | nkuttler | oh, you mean the client? |
| 10:48.12 | nkuttler | alex-: anyway, have fun |
| 10:48.14 | alex- | the graph is from my vps, but the 'host' creates it |
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| 10:48.30 | Wulf | Ormie: debian is a compilation of lots of software. Why do you think that it would be based on anything? |
| 10:48.32 | alex- | I'll see if I can make the swap partition bigger |
| 10:48.51 | Ormie | um.. |
| 10:48.53 | jelly-home | Ormie: it's a linux distribution. There are literally thousands of sources it aggregates. |
| 10:49.00 | Ormie | ok |
| 10:49.44 | jelly-home | Ormie: that's what distributions do. Debian has no parent distro to be based upon. |
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| 10:50.12 | alex- | nkuttler: have fun with what/ |
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| 10:50.27 | Wulf | Ormie: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.02/gldt1202.svg |
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| 10:50.58 | jelly-home | alex-: you can use a swap file instead or in addition to a swap partition. |
| 10:51.06 | Ormie | Wulf, whoa! |
| 10:51.14 | Ormie | Debian is top-notch! |
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| 10:51.37 | alex- | jelly-home: can i do this without downtime>? |
| 10:51.43 | jelly-home | alex-: yes. |
| 10:52.26 | LaptopBrain | can anyone think of any reason i shouldnt just put 'apt-get update' in my crontab and run it nightly? |
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| 10:52.30 | alex- | how? |
| 10:52.35 | LaptopBrain | not the 'apt-get upgrade' step ofc. just thinking of keeping my sources up to date |
| 10:53.08 | Debolaz | LaptopBrain: Already seems to be the case on my ubuntu desktop, so I'm guessing its safe. |
| 10:53.14 | LaptopBrain | cool |
| 10:53.31 | nkuttler | LaptopBrain: make sure you catch errors |
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| 10:54.32 | LaptopBrain | nkuttler: well, crontab should email output to me anyway |
| 10:55.44 | babilen | Ormie: You might be interested in http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.02/gldt1202.svg |
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| 10:58.51 | jelly-home | babilen: dupe! [12:50] <Wulf> Ormie: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/12.02/gldt1202.svg |
| 10:58.57 | Ormie | wut? |
| 10:59.05 | nkuttler | wouldn't trust himself to read daily cron mails that send error + success messages |
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| 10:59.23 | Ormie | is working on some code |
| 10:59.29 | jelly-home | nkuttler: hire a sysadmin, then |
| 10:59.46 | nkuttler | jelly-home: i'd rather have a smart admin who only gets error mails... |
| 11:00.29 | jelly-home | "Job never ran! Everything's fine..." |
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| 11:00.56 | nkuttler | sounds like an error to me |
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| 11:17.52 | _stefanos_ | guys, where to find PATH to add a directory of mine? under fedora i would add it under .bash_profile. is it the same with debian? |
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| 11:18.55 | Nik05 | _stefanos_ .profile ? |
| 11:19.03 | _stefanos_ | let me check if i have it |
| 11:19.20 | _stefanos_ | else should i create it and export PATH in there and then add my directory? |
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| 11:20.20 | Nik05 | if bash bash_profile or bash_login exist no |
| 11:20.25 | Nik05 | then you should put it in those |
| 11:20.35 | Nik05 | ho -bash |
| 11:20.37 | _stefanos_ | yeah i have both of them |
| 11:20.45 | Nik05 | ok check .bash_profile |
| 11:21.27 | _stefanos_ | oh apologies; it's .bashrc i have |
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| 11:21.53 | Nik05 | but you dont have .profile? |
| 11:21.58 | _stefanos_ | no i have that |
| 11:22.10 | _stefanos_ | but i do not have the .bash_profile |
| 11:22.16 | Nik05 | well read .profile |
| 11:22.19 | _stefanos_ | ok |
| 11:22.37 | _stefanos_ | cool nick btw ;) |
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| 11:22.54 | Nik05 | nick? |
| 11:23.05 | spal | any command on Debian that uses the New BSD License? |
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| 11:23.12 | _stefanos_ | Nik05, yep nickname |
| 11:23.19 | Nik05 | why is it cool...? :P |
| 11:23.28 | _stefanos_ | it's a Greek name that's why |
| 11:23.33 | Nik05 | but check .profile there is probably something in it with PATH |
| 11:23.50 | Nik05 | and something with .bashrc |
| 11:24.20 | stew | spal: which license? |
| 11:24.34 | spal | stew, the New/Modified/3-clause BSD License. |
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| 11:25.19 | spal | any BSD style license would also work. I just want to take inspiration regarding how the command displays the license in its source files, help message, etc. |
| 11:25.20 | stew | when you say "New", is it possible that you are refering to something that has actually been around for more than a dozen years? |
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| 11:25.58 | Nik05 | oh thats why _stefanos_ :p |
| 11:26.00 | spal | stew, Wikipedia says that the new or modified bsd license is being used from July 22, 1999. |
| 11:26.09 | stew | ok, so yes |
| 11:26.10 | Nik05 | alot of people say Nik... :P |
| 11:26.28 | _stefanos_ | well in Greek it's Nikos |
| 11:26.32 | stew | i've just never heard anyone refer to is as "New" before, just as "3-clause" |
| 11:27.24 | stew | spal: and there is tons of software on debian using it. the one way which they all comply with the license is that the all have /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright just as every other debian package |
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| 11:27.41 | spal | stew, thanks. |
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| 11:31.19 | stew | spal: if you want to find specific examples on your machine, you might do something like: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 2 -name copyright | xargs grep -i "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright" |
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| 11:31.36 | spal | stew, yes, thanks. |
| 11:31.55 | stew | spal: that will find 4-clause bsd like openssl, and will find 2-clause like less, but the bulk of what it find will be 3-clause |
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| 11:39.44 | _stefanos_ | Nik05, i have created .bash_profile and added the necessary lines. i then ran "source .profile" to apply the current modifications and every worked just fine. still though, as soon as i close gnome-terminal and re-open it, it does not keep the changes. why's that? |
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| 11:40.24 | mz|` | you mix .profile and .bash_profile |
| 11:40.25 | stew | _stefanos_: .profile / .bash_profile / /etc/profile are only read at login (or when opening a login shell) |
| 11:41.13 | _stefanos_ | then mz|` and stew, where shall i make the necessary changes? shall i remove .bash_profile and add everything in .profile? |
| 11:41.25 | mz|` | do you source .bash_profile somewhere in your .bashrc or else ? |
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| 11:41.35 | _stefanos_ | mz|`, no |
| 11:41.37 | morteza_ipo | hi |
| 11:41.49 | morteza_ipo | I haven't regex in my linux |
| 11:41.57 | mz|` | if you want to keep .bash_profile, then add a line to .bashrc "source ~/.bash_profile" |
| 11:41.57 | morteza_ipo | what is the package name? |
| 11:42.05 | stew | no |
| 11:42.07 | mz|` | you have with defaults shells |
| 11:42.10 | mz|` | morteza_ipo: |
| 11:42.18 | stew | _stefanos_: you don't want to source .bash_profile from .bashrc |
| 11:42.30 | _stefanos_ | stew, i haven't sourced it |
| 11:42.35 | _stefanos_ | i have done it manually |
| 11:42.46 | morteza_ipo | mz|`: in my default package that is? |
| 11:42.50 | mz|` | stew: how to ? |
| 11:42.55 | stew | mz|`: how to what? |
| 11:42.58 | mz|` | personnaly, i only use .profile |
| 11:43.07 | morteza_ipo | mz|`: means dont need to install? |
| 11:43.07 | _stefanos_ | mz|`, cool |
| 11:43.10 | mz|` | use .bash_profile if you do not source it automatically |
| 11:43.18 | stew | mz|`: login |
| 11:43.27 | _stefanos_ | shall i add my directory in .profile then? |
| 11:43.49 | mz|` | so if _stefanos_ "as soon as i close gnome-terminal and re-open it" it should be parsed |
| 11:43.55 | mz|` | and it is not |
| 11:44.03 | stew | no |
| 11:44.05 | stew | it should not be |
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| 11:44.27 | mz|` | sooooo how it is parsed and used...? |
| 11:44.32 | stew | that was a misunderstanding on his part. it should be read when he logs in, or when he specifically opens a login shell |
| 11:44.35 | stew | mz|`: by logging in |
| 11:44.50 | mz|` | "as soon as i close gnome-terminal and re-open it" |
| 11:44.55 | _stefanos_ | i got confused right now :/ |
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| 11:44.59 | mz|` | me too. |
| 11:45.02 | _stefanos_ | where shall i add my directory |
| 11:45.11 | stew | closing a gnome-terminal and opening one is not logging in |
| 11:45.19 | mz|` | it opens a shell. |
| 11:45.21 | stew | _stefanos_: you can use .bash_profile for just the bash shell |
| 11:45.25 | mz|` | so bash should interpret the file |
| 11:45.26 | stew | mz|`: yes, but not a login shell |
| 11:45.36 | mz|` | login/logout ? |
| 11:45.40 | stew | yes |
| 11:45.43 | stew | or run "bash -l" |
| 11:45.50 | stew | to specifically get a login shell |
| 11:45.53 | mz|` | you can say that immediately... |
| 11:45.55 | mz|` | :) |
| 11:45.58 | stew | say what? |
| 11:46.01 | mz|` | .. |
| 11:46.05 | mz|` | login/logout |
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| 11:46.28 | stew | i said it immediately |
| 11:46.30 | stew | "07:40 < stew> _stefanos_: .profile / .bash_profile / /etc/profile are only read at login (or |
| 11:46.34 | mz|` | so _stefanos_ login/logout and see if changes are applied |
| 11:46.43 | stew | or start a login shell |
| 11:46.46 | mz|` | so give the solution, login/logout |
| 11:47.04 | stew | so instead of saying "at login" I should have said "login" |
| 11:47.07 | stew | logout isn't necessary |
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| 11:47.19 | _stefanos_ | so to get things clearer, shall i keep .bash_profile and do what? |
| 11:47.23 | mz|` | _stefanos_: bash -l |
| 11:47.31 | stew | and when you said "< mz|`> use .bash_profile if you do not source it automatically" and I said "login", i should have said? |
| 11:48.07 | stew | _stefanos_: if you have .bash_profile, it will ignore your .profile (if you have one). if you don't have .bash_profile, it will use .profile |
| 11:48.29 | mz|` | ok, clearer for me :) |
| 11:48.31 | mz|` | tahnks |
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| 11:48.44 | _stefanos_ | if i ran bash -l, my command works as expected |
| 11:48.52 | _stefanos_ | as soon as i exit it, it stops working |
| 11:49.00 | stew | _stefanos_: so it might be better to put everyting in .profile unless you have stuff the you wnat done in a bash login shell that you wouldn't want in, say, a zsh login shell |
| 11:49.14 | _stefanos_ | no not really |
| 11:49.22 | _stefanos_ | then i shall put it in .profile |
| 11:49.38 | stew | _stefanos_: only if you are going to remove .bash_profile completely |
| 11:49.52 | _stefanos_ | yeah i will since it does not work |
| 11:50.07 | themill | (bash startup scripts are silly -- the distinction the user wants is "interactive" vs "non-interactive" but instead it gives you a distinction between "login" and "non-login".) |
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| 11:50.53 | stew | right |
| 11:50.57 | _stefanos_ | and after i do the change in .profile, when should i see the change applied? |
| 11:51.02 | _stefanos_ | upon re-login? |
| 11:51.37 | stew | themill: however isn't the separation needed for stuff that is idempotent vs stuff that isn't? |
| 11:52.28 | stew | (though I agree that having interactive/non-interactive separation would also be handy) |
| 11:53.01 | s23234fabc | Hello. if try debug program by kdbg i get an opeartion not permitted. Why is it. I try to run gksu kdbg but get the same result |
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| 11:55.40 | themill | stew: possibly, although since you can have more than one login shell too, I don't know that works as cleanly as one might desire anyway. |
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| 12:12.19 | NoVoteLoss | is there a media streaming service that is particularly compatible with linux? |
| 12:12.28 | NoVoteLoss | video that is |
| 12:12.33 | _stefanos_ | meaning? |
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| 12:12.45 | NoVoteLoss | well, flash is always a pain |
| 12:12.55 | NoVoteLoss | and i know that a lot of video services use it |
| 12:13.23 | _stefanos_ | for what purpose you want it? |
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| 12:14.51 | Wulf | I finally found out which package disturbs my apt-get |
| 12:15.10 | themill | Wulf: do tell |
| 12:15.15 | NoVoteLoss | i dont have television or cable. i just want videos/shows to entertain me. i tried using lightspark the open source flash, but im pretty sure i accidently just auto updated flash and now its back to jacking up the video, and the flash plugin hangs |
| 12:15.28 | Wulf | packagekit just removed the file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_InRelease |
| 12:15.35 | Wulf | why would it do that?! |
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| 12:16.38 | Wulf | and how is it triggered? |
| 12:16.40 | NoVoteLoss | and i hate using chrome browser, and that seems to be the only browser that can handle heavy video |
| 12:17.00 | Wulf | "dbus[1757]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PackageKit' (using servicehelper)" |
| 12:17.04 | themill | Wulf: I can understand packagekit running "apt-ge update" or something, but it shouldn't be touching anyting itself |
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| 12:19.03 | Wulf | themill: I only see that in my log file and at the same time the file went missing |
| 12:19.13 | Wulf | themill: I wasn't anywhere near my computer |
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| 12:24.50 | ironm | Hello. does anyone run mysqld_multi on MariaDB 5.5.24 / debian squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 12:26.34 | bardzusny | NoVoteLess: basically, you want some tv without using flash? |
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| 12:27.36 | NoVoteLoss | bardzusny, yeah, and i have like 500 gigs of stuff on my hard drive. im just curious to more streaming stuff. |
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| 12:28.10 | Wulf | NoVoteLoss: how about a simple web server which supports ranges? |
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| 12:28.25 | Wulf | NoVoteLoss: mplayer http://videobox.localnet/video.mkv |
| 12:28.29 | stew | Wulf: and the file returns when you run "apt-get update"? |
| 12:28.35 | Wulf | stew: that's right |
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| 12:29.30 | bardzusny | NoVoteLoss: sopcast is nice, especially for sports |
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| 12:30.30 | NoVoteLoss | thanks wulf and bardzusny |
| 12:34.25 | themill | Wulf: dbus-monitor might tell you what the mesage was and who it was from. (next time) |
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| 12:35.41 | mah454 | What package install chroot command ? |
| 12:35.46 | mah454 | I need this command ! |
| 12:36.43 | themill | mah454: I'd be very very surprised if you didn't have that package installed. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 12:39.08 | bardzusny | mah454: it's installed by default, packages name is coreutils |
| 12:39.13 | bardzusny | but remember, you must run it as root |
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| 12:47.05 | _stefanos_ | i have added the necessary changes in .bashrc as you have said and from gnome-terminal works just fine. now, from a GUI application (Code::Blocks) it does not work which most probably is because it's not included in .profile. is this behavior normal? |
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| 12:49.50 | Ormie | when will wheezy be released as stable? |
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| 12:50.09 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 12:50.10 | dpkg | IT'S OUT! http://debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
| 12:50.20 | babilen | hehe |
| 12:50.31 | babilen | !wwwr |
| 12:50.31 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
| 12:50.32 | Ormie | hey! don't try to fool me :( |
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| 12:51.00 | abrotman | sorry, old habit |
| 12:52.00 | Ormie | how do I ask dpkg about wheezy pool? |
| 12:52.09 | Ormie | what syntax? |
| 12:52.11 | bardzusny | !wheezy pool |
| 12:52.11 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
| 12:52.18 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:52.22 | bardzusny | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 12:52.22 | dpkg | ! comps=2013-02-20 ml|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 12:52.50 | babilen | bardzusny, Ormie: Please just "/msg dpkg wheezy pool" (or any other factoid in <…>) |
| 12:52.59 | Ormie | ok |
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| 12:53.27 | bardzusny | babilen: I wanted to show him |
| 12:53.48 | abrotman | bardzusny: dpkg: tell Ormie about wheezy pool |
| 12:53.54 | themill | contemplates putting a misspelling of his nick there to save the unnecessary highlights |
| 12:54.12 | Ormie | why debian still use gnome 3? |
| 12:54.16 | Ormie | i mean gnome 2 |
| 12:54.21 | mikey | because it's better |
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| 12:54.30 | Ormie | ? |
| 12:54.32 | tremon | Ormie: did you read the wwsr factoid? |
| 12:54.33 | Ormie | rly? |
| 12:54.35 | mikey | Yes. |
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| 12:55.58 | Ormie | debian is very stable thats why it takes long to release? |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | Ormie: because squeeze released with gnome2, wheezy will have gnome3 |
| 12:56.21 | Ormie | cool! |
| 12:56.42 | jamesd | wow debian has a gui, i never knew |
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| 12:56.55 | Ormie | abrotman, are you trying to fool me again? :( |
| 12:57.12 | abrotman | no |
| 12:57.26 | bardzusny | Ormie: simply, gnome3 was released after debian squeeze (current stable) |
| 12:57.31 | abrotman | no it wasn't |
| 12:57.37 | bardzusny | sorry |
| 12:57.39 | bardzusny | after feature freeze |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | no it wasn't |
| 12:57.45 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:57.46 | bardzusny | sorry |
| 12:57.50 | bardzusny | I'm silly |
| 12:57.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:58.18 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:58.22 | Ormie | any way, brb |
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| 12:58.34 | tremon | abrotman: I thought gnome 3.0 was released in 2011? |
| 12:58.51 | tremon | I mean after february 2011 |
| 12:59.20 | abrotman | tremon: the 3.0 release was, but gnome-shell was in squeeze before it released, and worked reasonably well |
| 12:59.33 | tremon | ah ok |
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| 13:00.05 | abrotman | they pulled it out a few months before release .. |
| 13:00.17 | revenge1963 | ciao a tutti |
| 13:00.22 | revenge1963 | !list |
| 13:00.22 | dpkg | revenge1963: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:00.41 | tremon | viva españa |
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| 13:01.32 | revenge1963 | ciao a tutti |
| 13:01.35 | revenge1963 | !list |
| 13:01.35 | dpkg | revenge1963: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:01.50 | abrotman | revenge1963: stop already |
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| 13:02.44 | tremon | wonders about the possibilities of muting an entire country |
| 13:02.48 | hanibana | how can I see established connections through Debian acting as a network gateway? |
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| 13:02.56 | abrotman | tremon: you can |
| 13:03.13 | abrotman | hanibana: netstat ? |
| 13:03.42 | hanibana | abrotman: no |
| 13:03.52 | xingu | abrotman: revoke their regional hdcp keys? |
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| 13:04.18 | Yukon_ru | hi to all |
| 13:04.19 | abrotman | hanibana: why not? |
| 13:04.41 | abrotman | xingu: *!*@*.es ? or find IP ranges |
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| 13:05.17 | Yukon_ru | how can i install new version of libwebkit, version for squeezy have some issues about flickering of gif, i need instal libwebkit from testing how? |
| 13:05.31 | hanibana | becasue it's just gateway with iptabels/iproute etc... which does NAT/DNAT/SNAT... services are somewhere else. |
| 13:06.16 | Yukon_ru | in pool on mirror server i cant find any exept squeezy .debs |
| 13:06.20 | Yukon_ru | c* |
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| 13:06.59 | abrotman | Yukon_ru: that's a fairly core library .. not a great plan |
| 13:07.03 | hanibana | what about showing iptables state table? is there any?! |
| 13:07.08 | abrotman | (core to gnome-ish things) |
| 13:07.49 | Yukon_ru | abrotman: i need do it |
| 13:07.59 | Yukon_ru | abrotman: one issue - how |
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| 13:08.17 | abrotman | !tell Yukon_ru about ssb |
| 13:08.28 | abrotman | Yukon_ru: good luck, your system will probably break .. you've been warned |
| 13:08.52 | Yukon_ru | 1seen ssb |
| 13:08.57 | Yukon_ru | !seen ssb |
| 13:08.58 | dpkg | Yukon_ru: i haven't seen 'ssb' |
| 13:10.02 | abrotman | Yukon_ru: the bot already told you in msg |
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| 13:11.46 | Yukon_ru | abrotman: ok, thank you strong man! |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | okay ... |
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| 13:14.14 | NoVoteLoss | bardzusny anyting particular about sopcast i should know? |
| 13:14.20 | NoVoteLoss | aka idk how to 'start" it |
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| 13:23.37 | mikkelb | I don't understand - I'm doing wget -m -A pdf -R reject_list.txt http://www.somesite.com - and reject_list.txt is basically: |
| 13:23.44 | mikkelb | "file1.pdf", |
| 13:23.44 | mikkelb | "file2.pdf" |
| 13:23.45 | mikkelb | But yet, wget downloads file1.ext - what'd I do wrong? |
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| 13:24.27 | bardzusny | NoVoteLoss: sorry if I misunderstood you, do you want to watch yourself or stream for others to watch? |
| 13:24.29 | Iridos | file1.ext aint the same as file1.pdf` |
| 13:24.46 | mikkelb | sorry, typo |
| 13:24.50 | mikkelb | suppose to be pdf |
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| 13:24.57 | mikkelb | * But yet, wget downloads file1.pdf - what'd I do wrong? |
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| 13:25.31 | Iridos | also, says comma separated, not that you'Re allowed to use quotes |
| 13:26.03 | Iridos | or newlines |
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| 13:26.44 | themill | it also says a list, not a file with a list in it. And it says a list of file types not a list of file names |
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| 13:29.03 | Iridos | oh, you're right |
| 13:29.13 | Iridos | then I even used that some years ago :) |
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| 13:30.18 | Iridos | themill, well done... as he used a file, my brain had already accepted that as a fact and I read plain over it that it doesn't say to use a file anywhere :) |
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| 13:31.54 | mikkelb | Iridos, themill true |
| 13:32.03 | mikkelb | but I got several hundred files to reject, and theres no common pattern between them |
| 13:32.10 | mikkelb | is there no way to solve this? |
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| 13:35.03 | seravitae | hello. I'm trying to figure out what a suitable entry for Allowhosts (sshd) would be, given the institution I am at |
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| 13:35.20 | seravitae | lest I call them and ask what the IP range is, is there some way to determine this? |
| 13:35.33 | seravitae | (i am trying to sshd to my box at home from university) |
| 13:35.43 | Iridos | mikkelb, there's always a way... after all it's only software |
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| 13:36.12 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 13:36.34 | TomyLobo | can i tell "aptitude why" to only follow "Depends" instead of also "Recommends" and "Suggests"? |
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| 13:37.05 | Iridos | mikkelb, but the way you wanted to do it probably doesn't work anyway... it says: comma-separated list of rejected **extensions** |
| 13:37.44 | themill | TomyLobo: it's finding the strongest path it can and will even consider Suggests and Provides too if it needs to |
| 13:38.06 | TomyLobo | i'm using -v, so it displays all matches |
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| 13:38.22 | TomyLobo | but i only want the matches with hard depends |
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| 13:38.47 | mikkelb | Iridos: i see i see |
| 13:39.05 | mikkelb | Iridos: got this from #wget though |
| 13:39.08 | mikkelb | <v2342b5> -R "boing.wav","dmalarm.wav" works too so that might be a better idea |
| 13:39.15 | mikkelb | although that's all they said |
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| 13:40.03 | Iridos | having a list several hundreds long of rejects is a bit silly |
| 13:40.22 | Iridos | then better to have a list of positives as URLS and those you can have in a file |
| 13:40.34 | Iridos | and you can edit the file to your liking |
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| 13:41.57 | mikkelb | Iridos: i dont know what the positives will be |
| 13:42.06 | mikkelb | because new files are added all the time |
| 13:42.15 | mikkelb | all i know are the files i already have and i dont wanna redownload those |
| 13:43.19 | Iridos | that's what the -nc switch is for |
| 13:43.34 | mikkelb | sorry? |
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| 13:43.52 | Iridos | why don't you look through wget --help for a bit more? |
| 13:43.59 | mikkelb | well |
| 13:44.05 | mikkelb | the problem with that is that the files are stored elsewhere |
| 13:44.08 | mikkelb | and they're renamed |
| 13:44.25 | Iridos | there's -nc and -N and both give a better solutions to what you NOW say the problem (and you still haven't really said what you want to do) than what you said |
| 13:44.45 | Iridos | well, then there's no way for you to know they're the old files |
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| 13:45.05 | mikkelb | i do have the original names in reject_list.txt though |
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| 13:47.12 | Iridos | the names that changed to something else |
| 13:48.53 | mikkelb | so? |
| 13:49.20 | mikkelb | what i do with the files after i've downloaded them is my business |
| 13:50.13 | mikkelb | im actually selling them to this government agency |
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| 13:50.27 | mikkelb | and i dont want them to have the original filenames because then they can figure out where i got them from |
| 13:50.30 | Dion | Alright - Go Squeeze! |
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| 13:50.47 | mikkelb | we're talking a lot of money here |
| 13:50.50 | mikkelb | and some very sensitive data :-) |
| 13:51.15 | mikkelb | i'd be lying if i said it wouldn't have an impact on the world financial crisis |
| 13:51.47 | Dion | ^ Who you kidding | "trying" to impress - mikkelb... |
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| 13:52.48 | abrotman | Dion: do you need help? |
| 13:53.21 | Dion | abrotman, - Not at all; I'm here to support debian and help others; Didn't mean to offend I just see all this stuff from users all the time and it gets irritating, sorry mikkelb - I should keep my nose out :) |
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| 13:53.44 | panosru | Hi, could someone help me with few NFS questions I have? |
| 13:54.12 | Dion | Fire away - panosru. |
| 13:55.27 | mikkelb | Dion: were you impressed? |
| 13:55.38 | abrotman | mikkelb: Dion please /ignore each other |
| 13:55.46 | Dion | Not at all mikkelb - Unless you're God mikkelb You shall not impress me. |
| 13:55.46 | mikkelb | Dion: i take it you're a female celine dion fan? in other words - easy to impress :-) |
| 13:55.50 | panosru | Dion, I'm on OSX and I have NFS server setup on OSX. I have my apps (eg textmate) on osx and my dev files are also in a case sensitive partition on OSX. I have debian running on VMWare and there I have nfs client so I mount the directories I need from OSX to debian in order to have servers in debian and development env in OSX |
| 13:56.01 | mikkelb | hehe no i am not god |
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| 13:56.19 | Iridos | Dion, shalt :) |
| 13:56.23 | Dion | Really - mikkelb; You could of fooled me. |
| 13:56.29 | Dion | Each to their own Iridos. |
| 13:56.32 | _stefanos_ | if i modify /etc/profile to add a directory of mine in PATH, will it get lost upon system upgrade? |
| 13:56.33 | Iridos | anyway, time to move on |
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| 13:56.39 | Dion | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.41 | panosru | so far so good, my only issue is that as a node developer I run a daemon where I monitor few directories when a file is modified I restart node |
| 13:56.41 | Dion | ^ Elite uptime. |
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| 13:56.50 | abrotman | Dion: enough |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | _stefanos_: it should be preserved |
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| 13:57.22 | Dion | panosru, And how may I help if I can? |
| 13:57.32 | erinaceus_ | Evening, I have 3 Monitors, 2 connected to an nvidia 1 to an ati. They are all working, however is the nvidia card mirroring the two Monitors and i want them to be seperate. I'm using the nouveau and radeon drivers for the video cards. And according to my xorg.conf it should work, but it doesnt. Could some take a look at it? http://sprunge.us/ZZJZ |
| 13:57.34 | _stefanos_ | abrotman, where shall i add my extra directory? |
| 13:57.51 | panosru | with NFS it takes too long to realize when a file is modified :/ If I do vi and edit the file the daemon get's the update instantly, so my question is, is there a way to tune up nfs ? |
| 13:57.52 | _stefanos_ | i have tried doing so in .bashrc, and works only under terminal |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | _stefanos_: trhat's not hte same as /etc/profile ? |
| 13:58.40 | _stefanos_ | well it should be PATH=$PATH:<my-directory> |
| 13:58.46 | Dion | panosru, I really would not know, sorry, I'm not that in-depth yet. - Perhaps referring your question => ali_bush |
| 13:59.18 | abrotman | _stefanos_: have you looked in /etc/profile ? |
| 13:59.22 | panosru | ok mate! Thanks ;) I'll try to ask him when he will be online :D |
| 13:59.23 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 13:59.37 | abrotman | _stefanos_: there's a clear place to add a path |
| 13:59.50 | _stefanos_ | yeah but will it get lost with system upgrade? |
| 13:59.55 | _stefanos_ | that's what i want to know |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | i said it wouldn't |
| 13:59.59 | _stefanos_ | cool |
| 14:00.38 | xand | panosru: try noac mount option |
| 14:01.15 | panosru | xand: noac ? is different protocol ? |
| 14:01.38 | xand | no, it's a mount option for nfs |
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| 14:02.15 | xand | see: man nfs |
| 14:03.00 | panosru | xand: in fstab I have this line https://gist.github.com/18e8500f27e35b41774f could you show me how I could add the noac flag for nfs in fstab ? :) |
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| 14:03.48 | xand | change defaults to noac and remount it |
| 14:04.32 | panosru | xand: will try it now! Thanks! :D |
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| 14:08.46 | Iridos | erinaceus_, I'd look what xrandr says... what makes me wonder... my 2-monitor-one-card setup needs a virtual desktop size defined onto which both monitors fit. (which is actually all it needs) don't see you defining anything like that... (I also wonder a bit how it's done to have one X server use 2 different cards with 2 different video memory blocks... but obviously some solution was found for the problems that causes) |
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| 14:09.51 | Bartzy | If a package I want to backport from sid has a build dependency of a library in a version that is not in stable or squeeze-backports.. and it is only in sid in the right version (for example, cdbs) - apt-get -b doesn't know to backport that package too ? I need to do it by myself for cdbs ? |
| 14:09.53 | kamals | Any hot girls for sex with me |
| 14:10.11 | panosru | xand: seems that noac flag did not helped :/ |
| 14:10.12 | Iridos | only in ##sex |
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| 14:10.58 | abrotman | Iridos: seriously? wtf |
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| 14:12.05 | Iridos | Bartzy, yes... and if it's a library that a lot of other programs/libraries also depend on it, might not be such a great idea... also if a lot of libraries are needed it's a bit painful to backport them all |
| 14:12.26 | Iridos | abrotman, I wanted to preserve the greatest of treasures, which is hope for him a few seconds longer :P |
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| 14:12.42 | abrotman | not amused |
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| 14:23.48 | Bartzy | Iridos: So if I need that package (gimp 2.8) in stable - I'm screwed? :D |
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| 14:24.07 | abrotman | need? |
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| 14:25.40 | _stefanos_ | how to switch Nautilus to my default file manager? Thunar starts by default under Gnome and i don't know how to switch it off. yes i have xfce4 installed too |
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| 14:26.19 | Bartzy | abrotman: Yes. need :) |
| 14:26.52 | Iridos | Bartzy, well... the point of stable is that you mainly have software and a known set of bugs that doesn't change much. If you put in a package for a new library that a 100 programs use, you have a 100 programs with potential new bugs because of changes to the library... yesno? |
| 14:26.54 | Bartzy | abrotman: There are many functionality additions that were introduced in gimp 2.8 and are not available in 2.6.10 , which I need to use... |
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| 14:27.09 | Bartzy | Iridos: Yeah, got it |
| 14:27.11 | Bartzy | That sucks. |
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| 14:27.42 | Bartzy | And if this library in the new version I need is in the squeeze-backports repo |
| 14:27.44 | Bartzy | It's the same thing ? |
| 14:27.54 | Bartzy | Or can I consider it to be more stable than me backporting from sid ? |
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| 14:28.19 | Iridos | you can always install outside the package system including libraries, e.g. using stow or something the like and write wrappers for programs that set LD_LIBRARY_PATH and use a custom library... if you're prepared to go to that effort... or upgrade to wheezy and deal with the problems that testing has |
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| 14:29.40 | Bartzy | Iridos: What problems testing has ? |
| 14:29.44 | Iridos | Bartzy, also note.. as far as I know, libraries are supposed to be backwards compatible... it's just this theory<->practice thingy |
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| 14:31.42 | Bartzy | Iridos: What problems testing has ? :) |
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| 14:31.46 | Iridos | dunno... the fun is trying and finding out :) |
| 14:31.49 | Bartzy | :P |
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| 14:32.42 | file-exists-p | Hi people. When telneting a certain host, it resolv an ipv6 adr. How comes? |
| 14:32.59 | file-exists-p | when telneting the same host from another machine, it looks for an ipv4 adr |
| 14:33.03 | Ormie | what does DVD offer more than in CD? |
| 14:33.08 | file-exists-p | sorry if the question is dumb, but I am not sure what is going on here |
| 14:33.18 | _stefanos_ | Ormie, packages of course |
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| 14:33.29 | Ormie | ok |
| 14:33.36 | Bartzy | Iridos: Custom LD_LIBRARY_PATH seems interesting.. but how can I make my program "get" all the libs but the ones I specify from the regular path, and only specific ones from a custom dir ? |
| 14:33.56 | Iridos | probably one machine you use disabled ipv6 |
| 14:33.58 | caraconan | Good evening. I will start investigating load balancing solutions. Any suggestion? (LVS, HAProxy.... |
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| 14:34.48 | file-exists-p | iridos: but the thing is, it fails on the ipv6 adr |
| 14:34.58 | Ormie | _stefanos_, and if I download the CD edition, can this package be later install from apt? |
| 14:35.17 | Iridos | Bartzy, you write a short wrapper inside the PATH that calls the real program... like #!/bin/sh\nexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/some/where\nexec /usr/local/programname-version/bin/program "$@" |
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| 14:35.52 | _stefanos_ | Ormie, the CD will let you install the basic system. yes, afterwards you can install anything you want with apt-get or aptitude |
| 14:35.57 | _stefanos_ | whatever makes you happy |
| 14:36.01 | file-exists-p | iridos: this is the imap server of my univ, the ipv6 fails, and after a while it tries with the ipv4 adr |
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| 14:36.11 | Iridos | file-exists-p, perhaps DNS resolves to an ipv6 address, but your router (or any other on the way) doesn't route ipv6 addresses |
| 14:36.13 | file-exists-p | iridos: but after a while = 30s or so, which is pretty annoying |
| 14:36.17 | file-exists-p | hm |
| 14:36.44 | Iridos | dpkg, noipv6 |
| 14:36.45 | dpkg | From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 14:36.50 | Dagger2 | of course, if it doesn't route v6 you won't have a default route for v6, so the connect attempt will fail immediately |
| 14:36.54 | Ormie | and why are there seperated iso files in the ftp dir? |
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| 14:37.10 | Bartzy | Iridos: But then the library path is over written by /some/where. And regular libs that the program uses will be unavailable ? |
| 14:37.20 | file-exists-p | dagger & iridos: so (dumb question) I could end up in a situation where the DNS resolv an ipv6 adr, while the router does not route ipv6 ? |
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| 14:37.58 | Iridos | Ormie, get the netinstall image if you install one machine with a decent internet connection... it's got the basic packages for a base system and then you install all other packages via apt from a mirror |
| 14:38.02 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:38.28 | Dagger2 | file-exists-p: yes... but that's normally not a problem, because a) the v6 address will be sorted below the v4 one if you don't have any v6 addresses, and b) it'll fail immediately anyway |
| 14:38.35 | Iridos | Bartzy, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is in addition to the library paths configured in the system |
| 14:38.42 | Ormie | Iridos, thanks. didn't answer my question |
| 14:38.45 | Ormie | and why are there seperated iso files in the ftp dir? |
| 14:38.53 | Dagger2 | file-exists-p: does `ifconfig | grep inet6` show any addresses that *don't* start with fe80::? |
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| 14:39.14 | DexterF | setting up LVM for two dists, stable and testing. should I create *one* VG "linux" and give the LVs according names that seperate the volumes for each distro or should I make two VGs "stable" and "testing"? |
| 14:39.22 | themill | Ormie: because 50GB media doesn't exist |
| 14:39.34 | Ormie | ah |
| 14:39.45 | file-exists-p | dagger: ok, everything works. I had to acitvate ipv6 on the ISP web site. However, for my culture, is there a way to tell the OS not to resolv in ipv6 when it can ? |
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| 14:41.39 | file-exists-p | dagger: sorry, just saw your previous answer |
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| 14:43.50 | Bartzy | Iridos: THank you. |
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| 15:12.36 | Ormie | i smell something <*)))-{ here |
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| 15:26.19 | Sidney__ | does this look like a proper command http://paste.debian.net/173816/ |
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| 15:43.33 | Ormie | No one answers questions now XD |
| 15:43.40 | Ormie | It's one weird time. |
| 15:43.46 | Ormie | Where no one answers it. |
| 15:44.07 | Ormie | just correct where to when |
| 15:44.08 | Ormie | XD |
| 15:47.33 | Iridos | he meant "<Ormie> themill, wut's that 50 gb?" |
| 15:47.37 | Iridos | that's a question? |
| 15:47.58 | Iridos | also |
| 15:48.00 | Iridos | Sidney__, yes |
| 15:48.11 | Iridos | dunno if it does anything you want, though |
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| 15:50.57 | Sidney__ | Iridos an Arch tutoral on setting up ssd's It should make the drive preform better or last longer |
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| 15:54.32 | Iridos | Sidney__, I'd look first what's in the file with cat /sys/block/sd1/queue/scheduler |
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| 15:56.52 | faheem | hi. does anyone know the easiest way to install recent kernels on squeeze? Like 3.0 plus. I'm currently running 2.6.32. Pre-packaged binaries would be the best. I know how to build them, I just don't want the hassle. |
| 15:57.52 | jelly-home | Iridos: is this a question? |
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| 15:58.45 | Iridos | jelly-home, nope, it |
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| 15:58.52 | Iridos | I think you're trying sarcasm |
| 15:58.53 | Iridos | badly |
| 15:59.10 | Iridos | dpkg, tell faheem about backports |
| 15:59.55 | jelly-home | Sidney__: yes, that's a valid command. You might want to use sysfsutils and /etc/sysfs.conf to set tunables in /sys, instead |
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| 16:02.32 | drecute | what is the inode number used for ext4 journal? |
| 16:02.40 | drecute | what is the inode number used for ext4 journal? |
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| 16:02.55 | faheem | Iridos: i know about backports |
| 16:03.10 | Sidney__ | jelly-home, thanks you know this is a lot of work just to use an SSD |
| 16:03.21 | jelly-home | Sidney__: note the line for my sda. http://paste.debian.net/173820/ |
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| 16:04.19 | Sidney__ | jelly-home, okay got it |
| 16:04.41 | Iridos | faheem, well, then why did you ask about them? :) |
| 16:04.58 | jelly-home | Sidney__: you don't _have to_ do any of that. Setting a noop scheduler will merely get rid of some HDD-based assumptions in the kernel and theoretically squeeze an extra tiny bit of performance out of the device |
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| 16:05.55 | jelly-home | drecute: that information is present in dumpe2fs -h output |
| 16:06.01 | Iridos | and guess I really wanted the debian-backports factoid... factoids got changed a bit since I last used this one |
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| 16:06.50 | Sidney__ | jelly-home, that's good to know because I've done about 5 steps already and Debian was already fast |
| 16:08.29 | jelly-home | Sidney__: just remember that SSDs have different failure modes, and when a consumer device dies, you might be left without any way to get data out of it |
| 16:08.38 | jelly-home | have backups. |
| 16:08.55 | grandie | got a system that the keyboard and mouse lockup at the login in and found very little help googleing, is there some documentation to point me in the right direction |
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| 16:13.58 | faheem | jelly-home: didn't think backports.debian would have backported kernels for 3.x, but they have linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae at least |
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| 16:14.37 | mms_ | any one interested in guiding on setting up c project in eclipse. I am unable to get binary created on build and thus run fails. |
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| 16:24.19 | nsadmin | mms_, ok, why can't you make a binary? no compilers? missing libs? |
| 16:25.24 | nsadmin | if it's the former,,, try aptitude install build-essential |
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| 16:25.28 | mms_ | nsadmin: how do I verify ? |
| 16:25.44 | mms_ | I see gcc from command line |
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| 16:27.17 | nsadmin | mms_, echo '#include <stdio.h> int main(void) { printf("hi"); return 0; }" > hi.c |
| 16:27.20 | nsadmin | make hi |
| 16:27.24 | nsadmin | ./hi |
| 16:27.29 | nsadmin | brb |
| 16:29.50 | mms_ | nsadmin: it prints fine from command line |
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| 16:30.09 | mms_ | the hello program I build using make hello from command line and it works fine |
| 16:30.19 | mms_ | not sure in eclipse what I need to do |
| 16:31.10 | nevyn | eclipse... |
| 16:31.27 | nevyn | eclipse is a big hairy monolithic thing |
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| 16:32.51 | mms_ | I verified that make and run steps work fine from command line in debian |
| 16:32.59 | mms_ | but in eclipse I am unable to get it to build |
| 16:33.19 | mms_ | brb |
| 16:33.35 | themill | mms_: you might have more joy asking in #mms. |
| 16:33.39 | themill | err #eclipse |
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| 16:36.06 | nsadmin | mms_, ok, so the compilers do work, and so your next step would be to figure out if eclipse is failing or you are missing something you need to build... both of these are beyond the scope of the channel; wish you well and good luck |
| 16:37.05 | nsadmin | finding eclipse's error log for your project would be a good thing, as would making sure eclipse can invoke your gcc |
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| 16:38.00 | mah454 | I need sbm package for debian wheezy |
| 16:38.03 | mah454 | this : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sbm |
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| 16:38.13 | mah454 | !sbm |
| 16:38.14 | dpkg | somebody said sbm was Smart Boot Manager, with documentation on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot a CD or HDD and other options, if your computer can't. |
| 16:38.37 | nsadmin | , v sbm |
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| 16:38.38 | judd | Package: sbm on i386 -- lenny: 3.7.1-9; squeeze: 3.7.1-9.1 |
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| 16:38.52 | mah454 | judd, in wheezy ? |
| 16:38.53 | nsadmin | !why is sbm not in testing |
| 16:38.53 | dpkg | sbm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=sbm |
| 16:39.09 | themill | nsadmin: it's not in testing because it's not in sid, as judd said |
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| 16:39.33 | nsadmin | themill, oh ok... so it was removed? |
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| 16:39.44 | themill | !dbugs 614855 |
| 16:39.49 | dpkg | DONE:#614855:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: sbm -- RoQA; obsolete, dead upstream, unused (); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:09:11 UTC [] |
| 16:40.01 | nsadmin | oh ok thanks |
| 16:40.05 | mah454 | nsadmin, can not open link ! http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=sbm |
| 16:40.16 | Ek|mu5_ | hello all, anybody know how to set disk sector sizes on amd64-6.0.5-CD1 installer? |
| 16:40.40 | Ek|mu5 | or is it still necessary? |
| 16:40.44 | nsadmin | mah454, see above... the package was removed because nothing was happening upstream |
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| 16:41.23 | themill | nothing for 10 years, in fact. |
| 16:41.29 | magyar | how can i install sopcast on squeeze? |
| 16:42.02 | nsadmin | mah454, ok, let's go deeper... what had you interested in sbm? |
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| 16:43.29 | squarepeg | hello |
| 16:44.22 | nsadmin | mah454, one thing, there are other ways of getting a boot mgr on a cd (or floppy).. and other boot managers (like grub2) you can use. |
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| 16:44.43 | nsadmin | if you -really really- want that very old thing, you can try to foreport it |
| 16:45.21 | nsadmin | squarepeg, hi, welcome to roundhole support |
| 16:45.31 | nsadmin | err DEBIAN support |
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| 16:47.14 | squarepeg | nsadmin |
| 16:47.25 | squarepeg | funny |
| 16:48.15 | squarepeg | I found a nice monospace terminal font that has extra big punctuation marks for easy reading |
| 16:48.24 | squarepeg | http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/30040/Font-Survey-42-of-the-Best-Monospaced-Programming |
| 16:48.33 | squarepeg | DPCustomMono2 |
| 16:48.42 | nsadmin | ok :) |
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| 16:49.17 | nsadmin | is it that you'd like to see it packaged for debian? |
| 16:49.22 | squarepeg | I'm trying to get my sources.list rigt |
| 16:49.39 | squarepeg | well, I'm not sure about the rights on that font, but it's pretty easy on the eyes |
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| 16:49.49 | nsadmin | which release of debian are you running? |
| 16:49.55 | squarepeg | wheezy |
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| 16:50.24 | squarepeg | I installed from the ISO I downloaded which was... squeeze |
| 16:50.35 | squarepeg | And then I think I did something to wreck it |
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| 16:50.46 | squarepeg | I added support for PPA with a python script |
| 16:50.51 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions blender |
| 16:50.51 | squarepeg | now I've got broken packages |
| 16:50.52 | judd | Package: blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; sid: 2.63a-1; wheezy: 2.63a-1 |
| 16:51.15 | ompaul | squarepeg: yeah you would do, ubuntu does not mix with debian in so many cases it is well worth saying, it does not mix |
| 16:51.20 | nsadmin | you've created a monster called a frankendebian :) |
| 16:51.32 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 16:51.33 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 16:51.42 | squarepeg | yeah, so I gotta get rid of that stuff |
| 16:51.46 | ompaul | dinn dinn dinnn frankendebian |
| 16:52.07 | [TheFlash] | no blender in backports? |
| 16:52.39 | nsadmin | [TheFlash], looks that way |
| 16:53.08 | ompaul | squarepeg: unlikely it will work but you could try remove the package you tried to install then remove the ppa from your package list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade but it might not be a very good result |
| 16:53.11 | [TheFlash] | nsadmin: too bad, blender 2.5 and 2.4 are not compatible |
| 16:53.24 | ompaul | squarepeg: if that fails, back up your data, start again |
| 16:53.27 | nsadmin | squarepeg, you have that option... and you also have the option of reinstalling debian (an extreme action) |
| 16:54.02 | squarepeg | yep, that's the worst case scenario, but it's not very bad as I haven't installed much yet |
| 16:54.25 | nsadmin | do you have a lot of stuff in your home dir? |
| 16:54.40 | squarepeg | But it might be something else, I have a problem when running the apt-get update |
| 16:54.42 | nsadmin | anything (incl config files) that you edited? |
| 16:54.54 | squarepeg | I have nothing to backup yet |
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| 16:55.11 | nsadmin | ok, so a reinstall would have no impact? |
| 16:55.41 | squarepeg | other than time, no |
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| 16:56.07 | nsadmin | ok... in that case your choices are laid out for you ;) |
| 16:56.10 | squarepeg | I get these 404 errors when I try to update |
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| 16:56.37 | [TheFlash] | squarepeg: while installing debian, i used the "don't use" option for my home partition |
| 16:56.48 | [TheFlash] | squarepeg: then i added it to /etc/fstab manually later |
| 16:56.52 | squarepeg | why? |
| 16:56.54 | nsadmin | that's about your sources.list |
| 16:57.01 | [TheFlash] | squarepeg: to make sure it doesn't format it |
| 16:57.06 | nsadmin | squarepeg, cause he had stuff on his /home |
| 16:57.07 | squarepeg | oh right |
| 16:57.27 | squarepeg | I did something more crude. I just backed it up to another drive. |
| 16:57.29 | nsadmin | which he has on a separate partition |
| 16:57.41 | squarepeg | yep, that's a good reason to have a separate partition for home |
| 16:57.54 | squarepeg | I'll have to remember that. |
| 16:58.03 | nsadmin | is this a server? |
| 16:58.17 | squarepeg | no it's a notebook I have handy |
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| 16:58.43 | nsadmin | oh ok, sounds like you have lots of spare machines and drives laying around |
| 16:58.44 | [TheFlash] | i have a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo LA1703 and i'll try to install debian on it soon |
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| 16:59.43 | squarepeg | Yeah, I found an old busted notebook and I plucked a 500GB hard drive out of it |
| 17:01.33 | squarepeg | Also got the CPU and the RAM |
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| 17:02.56 | nsadmin | you can call it a weakness of debian (and all dists based on it), packages not meant for your dist not only may or may not work but could also add dependencies to other dists which is like lotsa little timebombs which could be large or small waiting to go off when you install packaages |
| 17:02.58 | squarepeg | Anyway, I have a couple of issues I'd like to figure out before a resort to reinstalling |
| 17:03.16 | nsadmin | what are those? |
| 17:03.34 | squarepeg | well, I just want to make sure my sources.list is proper |
| 17:03.43 | squarepeg | because it doesn't run an update without 404 errors |
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| 17:03.53 | nsadmin | oh, ok,,, pastebin it so we can all see it :) |
| 17:03.59 | squarepeg | ok |
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| 17:05.25 | ompaul | squarepeg: see the pastebin name in topic |
| 17:06.07 | nsadmin | oh yeah, hate the ads on pastebin.com... if you could avoid that one, I'd personally appreciate it |
| 17:06.36 | themill | wonders why nsadmin hasn't just installed adblock |
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| 17:07.19 | nsadmin | themill, I'll look into that; thanks |
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| 17:07.52 | hyper_ch | hi there, pastebinit on debian stable is broken. I wonder if it's fixed in unstable/testing? |
| 17:08.10 | nsadmin | themill, is there a proxy that blocks ads? |
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| 17:08.22 | Iridos | just the default pastebin changed its api... just choose a different one |
| 17:08.48 | themill | hyper_ch: pastebinit defaults to paste.d.n in wheezy; you can also select that in stable, /msg dpkg pastebinit config |
| 17:08.49 | hyper_ch | Iridos: oh... there are more? let me reconfigure :) |
| 17:08.55 | Iridos | or use nopaste |
| 17:08.56 | Iridos | or do |
| 17:09.02 | nsadmin | hyper_ch, hi, alternatively, you could try installing libapp-nopaste-perl and then use the executable nopaste where you were using pastebinit |
| 17:09.04 | Iridos | (drumrol... wait for it) |
| 17:09.22 | Iridos | dpkg, pastebinit config |
| 17:09.22 | dpkg | To configure pastebinit in squeeze to use paste.debian.net, echo "<pastebinit><pastebin>http://paste.debian.net</pastebin><author>$USER</author><format>text</format><jabberid>nobody@nowhere.org</jabberid></pastebinit>" > ~/.pastebinit.xml |
| 17:09.47 | hyper_ch | Iridos: thx :) |
| 17:10.30 | hyper_ch | Iridos: love you :) |
| 17:10.34 | squarepeg | wow, pastebin has really gone to hell |
| 17:11.30 | nsadmin | squarepeg, a new api for pastebins has emerged, and so pastebinit had to support that |
| 17:11.48 | squarepeg | the API is good, but the interface is cluttered with advertisements |
| 17:11.50 | nsadmin | so yes, it was a little messy |
| 17:12.06 | nsadmin | squarepeg, yeah, pastebin.com suks :) |
| 17:12.30 | Iridos | funny... you must be using up all the ads as I never sees any |
| 17:12.42 | squarepeg | http://pastebin.com/U2X0G9xU |
| 17:12.42 | hyper_ch | one more thing: are there plans to set mysql by default to utf8? this far it still defaults to latin1_swedish_ci |
| 17:12.48 | nsadmin | and as themill suggested you can install adblock. having said that, there are more things to dislike about pastebin.com |
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| 17:13.37 | squarepeg | Adblock would help. |
| 17:13.47 | themill | squarepeg: there's no such things as wheezy-updates |
| 17:13.59 | squarepeg | that must be my problem then |
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| 17:14.32 | nsadmin | also on lines 1 and 2 suggest you replace "testing" with "wheezy", to avoid being surprised when something else becomes testing |
| 17:14.42 | themill | squarepeg: also, you might want to be consistent in your use of "testing" and "wheezy" in your sources.list. Pick one or other depding on your long term plans. |
| 17:15.02 | squarepeg | I got that from here http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 17:15.13 | squarepeg | I messed up my sources.list so I generated it there |
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| 17:15.40 | themill | squarepeg: yeah, don't use that crap website. |
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| 17:15.47 | Sebastien75 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.53 | squarepeg | okay, I'm not sure yet which code name corresponds to which branch |
| 17:16.16 | nsadmin | and, ftp.debian.org is to some degree special, you might want to avoid using it |
| 17:16.16 | Iridos | squeeze is stable, wheezy is testing |
| 17:16.28 | squarepeg | okay |
| 17:16.39 | nsadmin | !codenames |
| 17:16.39 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames . See <tsc_codenames> for those of the technical support crews. |
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| 17:17.58 | squarepeg | I want to get the sources.list for testing |
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| 17:18.38 | themill | squarepeg: I'd suggest sticking to "wheezy" and then in a year or so's time, think about upgrading to the new testing. |
| 17:18.53 | nsadmin | ok, comment out all but lines 1 and 2 (no security updates for testing) |
| 17:19.01 | jelly-home | dpkg: factinfo tsc_codenames |
| 17:19.01 | dpkg | tsc_codenames -- created by Netsnipe <netsnipe@202.92.70.32> at Tue Aug 1 15:43:38 2000 (4331 days); last modified at Wed Jun 4 20:12:27 2008 by itchi!n=David@unaffiliated/itchi; it has been requested 25 times, last by jelly-home, 39s ago. |
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| 17:19.24 | jelly-home | that one looks like an old internal joke |
| 17:20.21 | nsadmin | netsnipe is an internal joke... he proudly considers himself a "flame warrier" (his words) |
| 17:20.26 | squarepeg | I just had my sources.list modified by software-properties |
| 17:20.39 | squarepeg | it added a squeeze repository |
| 17:20.49 | squarepeg | brb |
| 17:21.10 | nsadmin | are you presently running squeeze? |
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| 17:21.27 | nsadmin | and if so do you want to upgrade? |
| 17:21.57 | Iridos | why do you insist on having some program write your sources.list when it's only a couple of lines |
| 17:22.09 | Iridos | and you seem to already have them... |
| 17:23.07 | nsadmin | yeah, comment out everything but lines 1 and 2, then replace "testing" with "wheezy" |
| 17:23.09 | nsadmin | done :) |
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| 17:25.00 | Iridos | well, can have the security lines... |
| 17:25.03 | Iridos | dpkg, wheezy security |
| 17:25.03 | dpkg | Wheezy is unlikely to receive full security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in testing. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask me about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 17:25.44 | themill | it's just that there's nothing useful there yet. |
| 17:26.00 | nsadmin | I don't necessarily recommend that... upgrading a moving target can change something you don't want changed |
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| 17:26.16 | squarepeg | nsadmin: I installed squeeze, then updated my sources.list to wheezy, and expected a few hundred megabytes of updates |
| 17:26.22 | squarepeg | but that didn't happen |
| 17:26.28 | squarepeg | because I have broken packages, I guess |
| 17:26.29 | nsadmin | and wheezy is a moving target (having said that, the freeze is soon) |
| 17:26.57 | themill | nsadmin: umm.. how is having wheezy/updates any worse than having squeeze/updates in the sources.list when you're running that release? |
| 17:27.26 | nsadmin | broken packages? hmm. could you temporarily change your sources.list back to squeeze and make sure your squeeze is completely up to date? |
| 17:27.38 | squarepeg | but software-properties... I wonder why that program edited my sources.list |
| 17:27.43 | nsadmin | start by running aptitude -f install |
| 17:28.21 | squarepeg | ok |
| 17:28.48 | nsadmin | oh, and run aptitude update after you change your sources.list |
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| 17:29.28 | squarepeg | ok |
| 17:29.36 | ompaul | squarepeg: you omitted to think about the damage the PPA may have left scattered around your hard drive |
| 17:29.46 | ompaul | or at least you have passed no comment on same |
| 17:30.03 | squarepeg | ompaul: yeah, I just added a python script to support PPA |
| 17:30.14 | squarepeg | and then added an ubuntu theme |
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| 17:30.28 | themill | cries a little |
| 17:30.30 | squarepeg | it was an icon theme |
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| 17:30.48 | squarepeg | faenza icons are pretty nice |
| 17:31.23 | squarepeg | then I deleted the old sources.list that had that repository |
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| 17:31.40 | nsadmin | squarepeg, see if you can get the debianized (ubuntuized?) source for that theme package and build it under your debian |
| 17:31.52 | nsadmin | (for future reference that is) |
| 17:32.13 | nsadmin | for now, how;s the aptitude -f install going? |
| 17:32.18 | squarepeg | that's done |
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| 17:32.22 | squarepeg | no errors in the update |
| 17:32.39 | squarepeg | aptitude -f install was uneventful. Nothing changed. |
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| 17:32.48 | nsadmin | ok, see if it wants to do stuff when you do, aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 17:33.28 | nsadmin | just see what it wants to do, don't say yes just yet |
| 17:33.36 | squarepeg | okay, now it wants to get hundreds of megabytes of new software |
| 17:33.51 | nsadmin | do you want that? |
| 17:34.00 | squarepeg | yep |
| 17:34.22 | squarepeg | I want to be current with the repo which contains the new blender, gimp, etc. |
| 17:34.26 | nsadmin | squarepeg, so this is likely to be eventful... you sure? |
| 17:34.49 | nsadmin | is your sources.list pointed to stable/squeeze? |
| 17:34.58 | squarepeg | yep |
| 17:35.13 | squarepeg | Welll, it's pointed to wheezy |
| 17:35.36 | nsadmin | oh, point it at squeeze and run aptitude update |
| 17:35.55 | nsadmin | we just want your squeeze to be uptodate before continuing |
| 17:36.09 | squarepeg | alright |
| 17:36.22 | nsadmin | and again, we're just looking at what it wants to do |
| 17:36.48 | squarepeg | yeah |
| 17:37.03 | squarepeg | I started it off but then stopped it. It only downloads at first, so no harm done. |
| 17:37.21 | squarepeg | reset sources.list to squeeze, running update |
| 17:37.26 | nsadmin | right, interrupting downloads has no consequences |
| 17:37.33 | squarepeg | then dist-upgrade |
| 17:37.47 | nsadmin | one sec, I'm curious about something else |
| 17:38.07 | nsadmin | is dpkg --configure --pending also uneventful? |
| 17:38.31 | squarepeg | I'll check when it finishes the aptitude update |
| 17:38.38 | nsadmin | good enuf |
| 17:38.40 | nsadmin | brb |
| 17:39.45 | squarepeg | uneventful |
| 17:40.19 | nsadmin | ok good... |
| 17:40.31 | squarepeg | likewise with dist-upgrade, just now |
| 17:41.14 | squarepeg | If I open synaptic, I probably won't get any broken packages message |
| 17:41.16 | nsadmin | ok, what's in /etc/debian_version? |
| 17:41.51 | squarepeg | 6.0.5 |
| 17:41.57 | nsadmin | themill, what was the thing about aptitude not working well with an upgrade? |
| 17:42.20 | nsadmin | squarepeg, according to that, you're still running squeeze |
| 17:42.24 | squarepeg | yeah |
| 17:42.34 | squarepeg | I think I never got beyond updating sources.list |
| 17:42.36 | nsadmin | one thing you might do right now, is backup your whole system |
| 17:43.03 | squarepeg | it's not worth backing up yet |
| 17:43.22 | squarepeg | there's nothing much invested in it besides getting the wireless driver working |
| 17:43.29 | nsadmin | (1), downgrades are not supported, (2) you mighr want an easy way to get back to squeeze |
| 17:43.41 | squarepeg | I'll just reinstall if I must |
| 17:43.46 | nsadmin | ok |
| 17:44.06 | nsadmin | does the machine have a wired eth port? |
| 17:44.23 | nsadmin | and do you have a way to connect it that way? |
| 17:44.26 | squarepeg | yes, but I Have no network cable |
| 17:44.46 | nsadmin | ok... so here's the thing, |
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| 17:45.04 | nsadmin | this upgrade is going to upgrade your kernel, where the wireless driver is |
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| 17:45.12 | squarepeg | yeah right |
| 17:45.23 | nsadmin | you'll have to somehow futz around with that after the upgrade |
| 17:45.27 | squarepeg | np |
| 17:45.32 | squarepeg | I had to do that the first time |
| 17:46.44 | nsadmin | ok, those are the things I would check before upgrading... seems we're ready to go |
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| 17:47.10 | squarepeg | so what now, back to testing in sources.list ? |
| 17:47.15 | nsadmin | reset your sources.list to wheezy, |
| 17:47.40 | nsadmin | I'd use the code name rather than "testing" |
| 17:47.44 | squarepeg | done |
| 17:48.03 | nsadmin | so now, run this: aptitude -d dist-upgrade |
| 17:48.11 | nsadmin | which will just download the packages |
| 17:48.23 | squarepeg | done |
| 17:48.36 | nsadmin | done?! |
| 17:48.47 | nsadmin | wait, which is done? |
| 17:48.49 | squarepeg | no, it had no result because I hadn't done update |
| 17:48.56 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 17:49.02 | squarepeg | so I'll run it again in a minute |
| 17:49.10 | nsadmin | run the update :) |
| 17:49.19 | nsadmin | remember the -d |
| 17:49.43 | squarepeg | I meant I run the command, not that it had run it's course |
| 17:49.54 | squarepeg | but it had run it's course because of no update |
| 17:50.07 | nsadmin | then, you can lose your internet connection and still perform the upgrade |
| 17:50.30 | squarepeg | yeah, because I'm using another computer to get the driver if it's broken after the upgrade |
| 17:51.04 | nsadmin | also, after doing that, you may wish to upgrade your kernel as the first thing you do, and then reboot into it befpre doing the rest |
| 17:51.14 | squarepeg | too bad about intel being so stingy with their driver code |
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| 17:51.19 | squarepeg | it should be in the kernel |
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| 17:52.54 | squarepeg | the download has begun |
| 17:53.24 | nsadmin | cool. when that's done (and if you used -d) it will stop just in front of installing the packages |
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| 17:53.59 | squarepeg | yep |
| 17:54.19 | nsadmin | to start the actual upgrade after that, rerun without -d |
| 17:54.21 | squarepeg | I wonder if my package conflict was coming from the new sources.list entries and the old packages |
| 17:54.39 | squarepeg | I hadn't done the dist-upgrade, but I was grabbing at new packages |
| 17:54.58 | squarepeg | I installed Blender |
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| 17:55.18 | squarepeg | from new wheezy repository onto a squeeze system |
| 17:55.27 | nsadmin | squarepeg, what would blender come from? |
| 17:55.47 | nsadmin | try apt-cache policy blender |
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| 17:56.02 | nsadmin | it should have some indication of which repo the installed one came from |
| 17:56.22 | squarepeg | yes, from wheezy |
| 17:56.31 | nsadmin | ok, you should be ok |
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| 17:57.23 | squarepeg | okay, thanks for your advice nsadmin |
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| 17:58.07 | nsadmin | the only thing that concerns me is any packages that may have come from the ppa |
| 17:58.27 | nsadmin | (which you shouldn't add back :) |
| 17:58.34 | squarepeg | right |
| 17:58.47 | squarepeg | I think it was all inert data |
| 17:58.56 | squarepeg | theme files, no programs |
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| 18:00.28 | squarepeg | It's just this set of icons that makes my system look better than a mac |
| 18:00.37 | nsadmin | squarepeg, oh, right, the theme |
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| 18:01.37 | squarepeg | I'm pretty happy with xfce too |
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| 18:02.02 | squarepeg | but I suppose I could try something lighter |
| 18:02.06 | nsadmin | xfce-core is a -lot- smaller than gnome or kde |
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| 18:02.19 | squarepeg | indeed |
| 18:02.57 | nsadmin | if you want to go super light, you could try something (ancient :) like fvwm or scwm or (well, there are lots of standalone wms) |
| 18:03.15 | squarepeg | perhaps I will |
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| 18:03.35 | pavlz | hi |
| 18:03.41 | squarepeg | I've tried dwm, stumpwm, but I couldn't get clfswm to run |
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| 18:03.56 | pavlz | how many cd's are necessary to instal debian ? |
| 18:04.03 | KsM | awesomewm |
| 18:04.22 | mutoso | I'm using Debian Sid and for some reason, it's not using the "UTC=yes" setting in /etc/default/rcS. |
| 18:04.28 | kevlarman | pavlz: just the first (or even netinst/business card) |
| 18:04.38 | nsadmin | well, none under some conditions... one, called a netinst which is about a third of a full cd |
| 18:04.40 | pavlz | tnx |
| 18:05.00 | nsadmin | business card is really tiny and requires a supported net connection |
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| 18:05.06 | KsM | I did a net install with no network |
| 18:05.13 | KsM | Yay minimalist install. |
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| 18:05.45 | nsadmin | KsM, that usually works just fine... you can establish net after |
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| 18:06.04 | KsM | I know |
| 18:06.19 | KsM | I didn't have the drivers for my card but it worked out fine |
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| 18:06.56 | nsadmin | pavlz, was that all you wanted to know? |
| 18:07.17 | squarepeg | nsadmin, are you a sysadmin? |
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| 18:07.30 | mooglenorph | Hi all. |
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| 18:07.44 | mooglenorph | I just swapped my the SSD of my laptop into another laptop. |
| 18:08.07 | mooglenorph | And I've got most everything working, but I had to configure my NIC manually, as eth1: it claims eth0 isn't there. |
| 18:08.17 | mooglenorph | Is there a way to "reset" the network configuration done at install time? |
| 18:08.40 | nsadmin | mooglenorph, see what interfaces you have, run ifconfig -a |
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| 18:09.18 | mooglenorph | nsadmin: it claims eth1 and wlan1, no eth0 and wlan0 |
| 18:09.46 | nsadmin | oh, I know what it is |
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| 18:10.15 | nsadmin | so, your other machine was seen by debian which remembered your net cards |
| 18:10.33 | mooglenorph | nods |
| 18:10.34 | raptor67682 | Riviera: the API of google is not working any longer :( |
| 18:10.40 | nsadmin | not knowing any better, it thinks those will still be installed |
| 18:11.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell mooglenorph about 70 |
| 18:11.20 | nsadmin | 69+1! |
| 18:12.00 | jelly-home | liked it better when it was z25 |
| 18:12.15 | jmosco | im having the hardest time getting a bond interface set up, has anyone had luck with a bond0 set up that includes a bridge? |
| 18:12.16 | mooglenorph | nsadmin: thank you |
| 18:12.39 | mooglenorph | I suspected something like this had happened, but didn't know how to de-remember my old cards... |
| 18:12.44 | nsadmin | mooglenorph, so, you can keep it the way it is or you can alter those rules |
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| 18:14.17 | raptor67682 | I would like to know how it works /usr/bin/stun as client? what is it for? Is it to register your IP for tunneling? |
| 18:14.38 | jmosco | here is my interfaces config: pastebin.com/mUDNALnN |
| 18:14.39 | mooglenorph | Also: how do I do "color profiles" on debian? |
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| 18:14.57 | nsadmin | dunno about color profiles |
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| 18:14.59 | jmosco | mooglenorph: color profiles? as in color ls? |
| 18:15.08 | nsadmin | (someone else might) |
| 18:15.10 | mooglenorph | As in, temp of display, color balance, etc. |
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| 18:15.41 | mooglenorph | The story here is, I just swapped into a new tp x200s from my old one, and then upgraded the new one with an aftermarket IPS display. |
| 18:15.59 | mooglenorph | ("new", the laptop was of course purchased used off ebay :-)) |
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| 18:16.31 | mooglenorph | The viewing angles, blacks, etc are crazy awesome, but the color profile is much warmer than I'd like. |
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| 18:24.37 | R0s | hi all |
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| 18:26.36 | R0s | Does squeeze-proposed-updates have any use for stable releases? |
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| 18:31.19 | pavlx | Debian works on Compaq nx6125 ? |
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| 18:41.14 | biggimat | pavlx, now why wouldn't it |
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| 18:42.08 | pavlx | because with GNU/linux gNewSense i got problems with the eth0 and with the wi-fi |
| 18:42.22 | pavlx | both chipsets don't work |
| 18:42.50 | stew | R0s: squeeze-proposed-updates is where packages go pending approval from the stable release managers. There is no guarantee that a package in s-p-u will ever actually make it into debian |
| 18:42.55 | pavlx | the problems depend by the firmwares of chipset |
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| 18:43.58 | pavlx | and i suppose that to use eth0 and wi-fi are necessary restricted packages |
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| 18:44.39 | pavlx | to the boot and i seen very fast, the computer say that needs of free firmware for eth0 |
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| 18:44.55 | pavlx | and the chipset is a Broadcom |
| 18:45.04 | pavlx | which one i don't know |
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| 18:45.18 | pavlx | i am using windows xp, opera and kvirc |
| 18:45.24 | pavlx | on this laptop |
| 18:45.35 | digdilem | dmesg|more will show you the boot messages in a more leisurely fashion |
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| 18:45.42 | pavlx | this laptop has serious problems |
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| 18:46.24 | pavlx | this laptop is working with windows xp, opera and kvirc, it's not possible to use dmesg|more |
| 18:46.40 | jelly-home | or you could say a distro with emphasis on freedom like gNewSense will have serious problems on hardware that needs non-free firmware |
| 18:46.46 | pavlx | dmesg|more it's a *.nix syntax |
| 18:47.06 | digdilem | pavlx, clearly I don't understand how you're seeing boot messages and not ending up in linux |
| 18:47.07 | jelly-home | pavlx: it's possible to do that from a livecd or a liveusb. |
| 18:47.37 | pavlx | this is the laptop of my actual dentist |
| 18:47.40 | digdilem | lack of firmware for a nic won't prevent booting |
| 18:47.53 | jelly-home | pavlx: it's also possible to get output of, say, lspci -nn, and investigate the hardware based on pci-ids |
| 18:47.55 | pavlx | and i am working on it |
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| 18:48.16 | pavlx | on windows you can't type lspci -nn |
| 18:48.29 | jelly-home | pavlx: again: boot a livecd. |
| 18:48.30 | pavlx | that is a *.nix syntax |
| 18:48.47 | ThePirateBay_se | I am thinking of switching from Ubuntu to Debian. How different is it, really? |
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| 18:49.33 | jelly-home | ThePirateBay_se: pretty much like any other distro differening form each other. |
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| 18:50.15 | digdilem | ThePirateBay_se, simplistic answer: package updates are further behind on debian, su instead of sudo, more reliable and lighter on resources |
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| 18:50.59 | ThePirateBay_se | digdilem; I got the other part, but what did you mean by package updates are further behind on debian? |
| 18:51.15 | jelly-home | ThePirateBay_se: Debian 6 has 1-2 years old software. |
| 18:51.33 | ThePirateBay_se | Well I can upgrade that, can I? |
| 18:51.42 | digdilem | debian's stuff is tested more, since it's ethos rates reliability and stability higher than most distros |
| 18:51.51 | jelly-home | ThePirateBay_se: that's the current, latest release. |
| 18:52.05 | digdilem | ThePirateBay_se, quick question: Why do you want to move from ubuntu to debian? |
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| 18:53.05 | ThePirateBay_se | I have no idea what DE to use with Ubuntu anymore. They all suck ass. I just want to go back to GNOME 2.x for as long as possible. |
| 18:53.16 | ThePirateBay_se | So can I upgrade apps and stuff like that? |
| 18:53.21 | jelly-home | ThePirateBay_se: xfce might be acceptable |
| 18:53.38 | digdilem | yeah, I like xfce too. :) |
| 18:53.52 | sxpert1 | b |
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| 18:54.20 | jelly-home | and it's easier to change the desktop environment than to change the whole distro |
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| 18:54.55 | digdilem | yeah, debian won't give you any more choice for window managers |
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| 18:55.18 | ThePirateBay_se | At least I'll have stability and GNOME 2. |
| 18:55.33 | Silent | Hey :) |
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| 18:55.55 | digdilem | can't you get gnome2 in ubuntu? |
| 18:56.02 | Silent | Folks, is there a decent tutorian about installing an RDP server around? |
| 18:56.20 | ThePirateBay_se | digdilem; Well not in the newest release. |
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| 18:56.47 | digdilem | Silent, use vnc instead? rdp's a windows thang |
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| 18:56.50 | Lejda | hey guys |
| 18:56.59 | Silent | No thanks. |
| 18:57.02 | Lejda | is enable command in linux can disable other commands ? |
| 18:57.06 | Silent | I need RDP, I dislike VNC. |
| 18:57.17 | Lejda | Silent: use xrdp |
| 18:57.31 | ThePirateBay_se | Am I stuck with the versions of apps I get in Debian? |
| 18:57.33 | Silent | Is that RDP-compatible? |
| 18:57.40 | Lejda | of course |
| 18:57.45 | Silent | Great :) |
| 18:57.55 | Lejda | is enable command in linux can disable other commands ? |
| 18:58.09 | digdilem | ThePirateBay_se, no - you can build your own like any distro, but the choice is less cutting edge. By all means install it, or onto a vm and have a play. |
| 18:58.22 | pavlx | the chipset used for eth0 is a Broadcom NetLink (TM) Gigabit Ethernet |
| 18:58.24 | digdilem | ThePirateBay_se, if you're like me, playing is the quickest way of learning and finding out whether it'll suit you |
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| 18:58.46 | ThePirateBay_se | digdilem; Yeah, I might try that. |
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| 18:59.33 | pavlx | in windows xp i found this: b57xp32.sys |
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| 19:01.25 | dvs | pavlx: You need the actually [1234:5678] f |
| 19:01.31 | dvs | number from lspci -nn |
| 19:02.00 | pavlx | i need of ? |
| 19:02.26 | dvs | pavlx: You need the actual [1234:5678] number from lspci -nn |
| 19:02.49 | pavlx | and then ? |
| 19:02.56 | dvs | post it here |
| 19:03.30 | pavlx | but i am in Italy, and today is Sunday, the shops are closed |
| 19:03.50 | pavlx | i don't find a shop where to go and to buy cd's |
| 19:04.06 | dvs | pavlx: You don't need a CD |
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| 19:04.33 | pavlx | i need a cd to boot the os |
| 19:04.36 | Silent | I hate waiting for stuff to download/build. |
| 19:04.53 | pavlx | i am using windows on this laptop |
| 19:05.00 | dvs | pavlx: Oh, you're still running Windows? |
| 19:05.02 | Silent | That's the one and the only reason I walked away from Gentoo. And here I am, building x11rdp/ |
| 19:05.06 | pavlx | yes |
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| 19:05.51 | pavlx | anyway, flash it's arrived to end |
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| 19:06.10 | pavlx | it has a bad support on mac, windows and GNU/linux |
| 19:06.31 | Silent | lol. |
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| 19:07.08 | pavlx | it has bad support on Safari, FireFox, Galeon, Konqueror, Internet Explorer, Epiphany, Opera |
| 19:07.24 | pavlx | it has not anymore sense to exists |
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| 19:08.09 | pavlx | Silent, do u want to teach for the next 10 years GNU/linux to my own dentist ? |
| 19:08.22 | Silent | What's in it for me? |
| 19:08.36 | pavlx | do you think that all the people are able to use GNU/linux ? |
| 19:08.59 | Silent | No way. |
| 19:09.05 | pavlx | till one month ago, was not able to use e-mail, to burn a cd, to put data on a pen usb |
| 19:09.08 | Silent | That's not what I'm asking though |
| 19:09.15 | Silent | How much are you willing to pay? |
| 19:09.30 | themill | searches hard for the #debian connectoin |
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| 19:09.43 | pavlx | now is able to do this little things, that are not something so special |
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| 19:10.01 | pavlx | but i don't think that you are a good dentist such him |
| 19:10.19 | pavlx | so i need to install a more easy GNU/linux |
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| 19:10.38 | pavlx | so that he can use without problems on the laptop |
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| 19:10.41 | themill | pavlx: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with? |
| 19:10.52 | themill | Silent: btw if you're complaining about building things, why didn't you just aptitude install xrdp? |
| 19:11.08 | Silent | I did |
| 19:11.15 | pavlx | works fine |
| 19:11.20 | Silent | But apparently it comes with VNC |
| 19:11.27 | themill | eh? |
| 19:11.28 | Silent | And I have to build x11rdp myself |
| 19:11.32 | Silent | No idea |
| 19:11.37 | Silent | http://scarygliders.net/2011/09/23/install-xrdp-and-x11rdp-the-comprehensive-howto-for-ubuntu-and-debian-based-systems/ |
| 19:12.48 | petemc | you will probably find xrdp disappointing |
| 19:12.57 | Silent | Why is that? |
| 19:12.57 | themill | (rdp is disappointing in general) |
| 19:12.59 | petemc | its just vnc will a wrapper to allow you to use a rdp client |
| 19:13.00 | pavlx | so Silent there are few problems to solve such as: sound corrupted under windows, video works bad, connection works fine, license is orignal, but for a new windowx xp m$ asks more than 200 euros |
| 19:13.05 | Silent | RDP is fine |
| 19:13.09 | petemc | nx works well |
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| 19:13.18 | themill | xpra works well |
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| 19:13.23 | pavlx | and 200 euros for an original os, oblsolete, has not sense |
| 19:13.33 | Silent | But you don't have NX on every Windows computer you use, do you? |
| 19:13.44 | Silent | I've used NX for almost an year now myslef |
| 19:13.49 | pavlx | so i'll go to install GNU/linux, the more easy for him |
| 19:14.02 | Silent | It's fun, but I don't like to carry my flash drive with me at all times. |
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| 19:14.24 | Silent | pavlx Best of luck :) |
| 19:14.25 | petemc | you can download it easily enough from nomachine |
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| 19:14.28 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 19:14.30 | Silent | Huh |
| 19:14.39 | Silent | lol |
| 19:14.41 | dvs | Oh? What'd I miss? |
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| 19:14.52 | Silent | petemc Yes I know |
| 19:15.06 | petemc | great |
| 19:15.10 | Silent | I just wanna try xrdp too. I don't like it, I go back to NX. |
| 19:15.24 | Silent | That's why I got my linode :) |
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| 19:15.34 | Silent | To break stuff. |
| 19:15.47 | Silent | lol that dude is PMing me now |
| 19:15.51 | Lejda | Silent: rxdp |
| 19:16.30 | Silent | rxdp |
| 19:16.39 | Silent | Sounds familiar. |
| 19:16.42 | Lejda | i was have a windows user who don't likes linux |
| 19:17.07 | Lejda | so i installed xrdp to my server for that user |
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| 19:17.25 | Lejda | he connect linux via windows ( mstsc ) |
| 19:17.26 | Silent | Good idea :) |
| 19:17.37 | Lejda | he used almost 6 months he liked linux |
| 19:17.43 | simonlnu | better than annoying us in here |
| 19:17.52 | Lejda | and removed windows |
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| 19:18.08 | Lejda | he is now using ubuntu |
| 19:18.10 | themill | Lejda: perhaps #defocus wants to hear your tales of conquest |
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| 19:18.33 | Silent | Linux is fun if you can get used to it |
| 19:18.47 | eptalon | Lejda: most of us don't hate windows. |
| 19:18.50 | Silent | I enjoy it very much |
| 19:19.06 | Silent | Gonna try to get my 7 year old brother to enjoy it, too |
| 19:19.15 | Silent | Perhps some friends |
| 19:19.18 | Lejda | i don't hate windows |
| 19:19.34 | Lejda | i just dont want to pay a lot of license for their products |
| 19:19.34 | themill | Silent, Lejda: please take it to a PM so we can return to user support. |
| 19:19.37 | Silent | Oh I don't hate Windows either |
| 19:19.41 | eptalon | Silent: pingus? |
| 19:19.44 | Silent | I'm on Win7 atm |
| 19:20.12 | Lejda | themill: i dont understand your request |
| 19:20.18 | Silent | themill Sorry :) |
| 19:20.33 | eptalon | I had a raid1 setup that crashed, and is now at rebuilding (47% done). |
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| 19:20.35 | Silent | Lejda He wants us to stot going off-topic |
| 19:20.39 | Silent | stop* |
| 19:20.55 | Lejda | ah sorry |
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| 19:21.13 | eptalon | it wants another 180-or so mins. |
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| 19:21.24 | Silent | How big is it? |
| 19:21.32 | Silent | eptalon |
| 19:21.33 | eptalon | 1.5G |
| 19:21.41 | Silent | Alright |
| 19:22.12 | eptalon | Silent: current speed shortly under 80 M/sec |
| 19:22.27 | Silent | Well it's not that bad |
| 19:22.33 | Silent | Is it? |
| 19:22.54 | eptalon | big question: if I swith off the thing now, will it restart at 0, next time? |
| 19:23.28 | eptalon | Silent: big prob: RAID1 does not support extending well. |
| 19:23.54 | Silent | Ah |
| 19:24.18 | eptalon | Silent: consumer-grade SATA disks, I am sure double would be possible using decent server stuff |
| 19:24.37 | Silent | Why are you using RAID1? |
| 19:25.02 | eptalon | I value my data. |
| 19:25.13 | Silent | I see |
| 19:25.19 | Silent | Is it a desktop system? |
| 19:25.23 | eptalon | yes |
| 19:25.43 | Silent | I hav to admit, it's the first time I see someone uses RAID1 on his desktop |
| 19:25.50 | Lejda | raid 1 in desktop system |
| 19:25.52 | Lejda | uh |
| 19:26.07 | Silent | It's not like I see too many people though. |
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| 19:26.44 | Lejda | it must be an important server :) |
| 19:27.10 | eptalon | Silent: Once this is done, I'll probably rebuild the thing to RAID5, but disks are expensive ATM, and 1.5 GB is virtually unobtainable now. |
| 19:27.29 | Silent | Expensive? |
| 19:27.37 | Silent | I tohught prices went down |
| 19:28.01 | aber | Do you mean TB, when you type GB? |
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| 19:28.16 | eptalon | aber: yes, I meant TB. |
| 19:28.33 | eptalon | 1,5 billion bytes. |
| 19:28.56 | dvs | that 1.5 GB |
| 19:28.58 | Silent | Croning a backup system might be cheaper, but not as effective |
| 19:29.05 | Lejda | dude it's huge |
| 19:29.09 | Silent | That's what I use |
| 19:29.20 | Silent | Well not at 1.5TB |
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| 19:29.25 | Lejda | 1,5 billion bytes |
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| 19:29.56 | nickgaw | Hi, How in debian squeeze normal kernel do you set the cpu frequency to max performance? |
| 19:29.57 | eptalon | Silent: 100% debian |
| 19:30.29 | Silent | nickgaw You mean overclock? |
| 19:31.12 | aber | do you mean: cpufreq-set? |
| 19:32.55 | Silent | It's funny how Linode gives me a quad-core Intel Xeon to go with my 512MB of RAM. |
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| 19:33.48 | Lejda | Silent: increase your swap partition |
| 19:34.04 | Silent | I can't see how will that help. |
| 19:34.09 | Lejda | and get a ssd disk |
| 19:34.18 | Lejda | use Xeon cpu :) |
| 19:34.18 | Silent | Swapping is dead slow. |
| 19:34.30 | Lejda | of course not |
| 19:34.34 | Silent | SSDs are expensive, plus they're not offerend by Linode afaik |
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| 19:34.36 | Lejda | on ssd disk |
| 19:34.45 | Silent | Swaping on an SSD is a bad idea |
| 19:34.57 | Silent | Swap = tons of writes = RIP SSD |
| 19:35.14 | Lejda | if you have a low memory |
| 19:35.23 | Lejda | i was have a ibm server |
| 19:35.36 | Lejda | and i do it ( it works perfect ) |
| 19:35.40 | nickgaw | yes cpufreq-set |
| 19:35.59 | nickgaw | I want to use the performance governer |
| 19:36.12 | Silent | Swapping is mostly used for not-frequently-changing portions of the RAM as far as I recall |
| 19:36.36 | Silent | A rarely-changing value gets copied to swap, and frees up RAM |
| 19:37.06 | Silent | That's why I don't have more than 512M usually, and I cracked up when Ubuntu gave my friend 12GB of swap. |
| 19:37.29 | nkuttler | i don't like my boxes to swap. ram is cheap |
| 19:37.40 | aber | nickgaw, Just read the manpage... -r -g performance |
| 19:37.49 | Lejda | nkuttler: you must get on my country |
| 19:38.08 | Silent | nkuttler++ |
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| 19:38.33 | Silent | What country are we talking about? |
| 19:38.41 | nkuttler | Swap: 0 0 0 :p |
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| 19:38.56 | nickgaw | that is what I did but it segmentation faults. |
| 19:38.59 | jelly-home | usually, getting more RAM is cheaper and more efficient than swap on ssh |
| 19:39.04 | jelly-home | ssd, too |
| 19:39.08 | Silent | C'mon make, work faster. |
| 19:39.15 | petemc | swap on ssh sounds slow |
| 19:39.17 | Dion | Silent, CPU Upgrade? :P |
| 19:39.22 | nkuttler | swap on sshfs ?! |
| 19:39.26 | jelly-home | no, it sounds like a typo |
| 19:39.28 | Silent | I have a quad-core Intel Xeon lol |
| 19:39.49 | Silent | It's the RAM that limits me. |
| 19:39.50 | Dion | Hahha Silent Do you think the best i7 is better then your Xeon? |
| 19:39.56 | Lejda | in turkey you get 8GB ram almost $500 |
| 19:39.59 | Dion | How much Silent? |
| 19:40.02 | Silent | Why can't I do that brust RAM thingy on Lindoe? |
| 19:40.11 | _stefanos_ | i have gnome3 installed along with xfce4. Thunar behaves though as the default file manager; how can i switch it to nautilus? thanks |
| 19:40.16 | Silent | It's not mine |
| 19:40.16 | Lejda | if you try to get 16GB you have to wait 6 months |
| 19:40.18 | Silent | It's a VPS |
| 19:40.30 | Silent | I have 512MB RAM |
| 19:40.44 | Lejda | Silent |
| 19:40.48 | Silent | Yes |
| 19:40.53 | Dion | Silent, I always found Linode's boxs to be real fast. |
| 19:40.56 | Lejda | how much disk space in your vps |
| 19:41.05 | Silent | Dion they're amazing |
| 19:41.11 | Silent | Disk space, 20GB |
| 19:41.18 | Lejda | how much you pay ? |
| 19:41.24 | Dion | Silent, I know, I'm part of their network team Silent :) |
| 19:41.39 | Silent | Haha :D |
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| 19:41.47 | Dion | Lejda, It's $20 for the 512MB RAM Package. |
| 19:41.48 | Lejda | how much you pay silent ? |
| 19:41.49 | Silent | How's the pay, may I ask? |
| 19:41.59 | Silent | I pay 20$/mo |
| 19:42.01 | Dion | Silent, It's Not Bad Not Great. |
| 19:42.08 | Lejda | i can give you 1 GB ram + 40 GB hdd |
| 19:42.13 | Silent | Are you able to make for a living? |
| 19:42.17 | Lejda | 35$ |
| 19:42.19 | Dion | I'd say it's fair, I actually like helping users out Silent, we are good with our support tickets :D |
| 19:42.25 | babilen | Silent, Dion, Lejda: I can only repeat it again. Please take this off-topic chatter elsewhere (e.g. #debian-offtopic) |
| 19:42.25 | Dion | Silent, I could yes. |
| 19:42.30 | Silent | I see |
| 19:42.40 | Silent | I'm happy for you then :) |
| 19:42.49 | Silent | Hopefully I'll join some day |
| 19:42.50 | Dion | babilen, 1. I'd love to see where you stated it the first time, and do you not wish the community to have a bigger support base? |
| 19:42.54 | Silent | When I'll learn more |
| 19:42.59 | babilen | Dion: themill did, not I |
| 19:43.04 | Silent | Let's |
| 19:43.04 | Dion | Silent, Get enough know how and apply Linode is need more users. |
| 19:43.19 | Dion | *Moved* - babilen. |
| 19:43.31 | Silent | "#debian-offtopic Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned" |
| 19:43.37 | babilen | Dion: I am very happy with every help we can get, but lets focus on support in here. We do have a social chat channel for chatting and everybody is welcome there. |
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| 19:44.30 | nickgaw | that is what I did but it segmentation faults. |
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| 19:46.23 | aber | nickgaw, that is probably a bug. |
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| 19:47.38 | themill | Silent: use a real irc client not the troll gateway then |
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| 19:48.56 | nickgaw | if I set the frequenty governer to performace and it segmentation faults what does that mean? |
| 19:49.26 | isoman2kx | what's the command to copy directories and files from one drive in Debian to another? |
| 19:49.39 | Lejda | rsync / scp |
| 19:49.39 | isoman2kx | trying to move my uncrypted data to crypted data |
| 19:50.07 | nsadmin | isoman2kx, cp -a |
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| 19:50.32 | isoman2kx | cp -a? |
| 19:50.56 | nsadmin | man cp for details |
| 19:51.22 | nsadmin | is the encrypted filesystem mounted? |
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| 19:53.21 | nsadmin | isoman2kx, if you could be more responsive, that would be you respecting that people might want to do things other than just wait for you |
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| 19:53.59 | nickgaw | is it possible that my processor can't be set for best performance? |
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| 19:54.28 | nsadmin | "best" would be relative to purpose |
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| 19:55.38 | aber | nickgaw, did you have a look at cpufreq-info? Did you try to set it for one core? |
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| 19:56.13 | nickgaw | ok let me try that |
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| 19:56.52 | isoman2kx | lol easy big pimp |
| 19:56.54 | isoman2kx | just askin |
| 19:58.49 | nsadmin | ok, so, you have a debian machine, and it uses one hd, and you want to transfer all the data from one to the other? |
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| 20:00.24 | hesco | Debian broke the perl debugger? |
| 20:00.24 | hesco | http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=975473 |
| 20:00.27 | isoman2kx | debian part is correct. I have a debian server comp, 2 encrypted drives, 1 unencrypted (failing) drive. I want to transfer from like sdc1 to sdb1 |
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| 20:01.10 | nsadmin | oh, and so all of these drives are connected on the same system? |
| 20:01.22 | isoman2kx | yup |
| 20:01.23 | hesco | if it is just me not knowing how to use the new perl debugger I'd love to hear about it. |
| 20:01.54 | nickgaw | even when I do -c 0 it segmentation faults. |
| 20:01.57 | themill | hesco: I suspect it's not a "debian broke" but more "perl debugger doesn't handle terminal entries correctly". ipython is the same |
| 20:02.21 | hesco | themill: any work around you know of? |
| 20:02.23 | nsadmin | hesco, also an additional source of info is #perl |
| 20:02.37 | hesco | I started on #perl-help |
| 20:02.58 | hesco | so what is ipython, anyway? |
| 20:03.40 | nsadmin | what were the results from there? |
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| 20:05.13 | nsadmin | isoman2kx, ok, so you have a failing drive you're trying to copy stuff from, and it's where your system is running from? |
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| 20:05.48 | nsadmin | how many partitions on the unencrypted drive? |
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| 20:53.23 | apofis | evening |
| 20:54.11 | apofis | guys I have a question maybe not directly related to Debian itself but I think a huge part of ppl here are sysadmins :D |
| 20:54.27 | eptalon | apofis: or have been. |
| 20:54.47 | apofis | I have a huge MySQL db to backup - huge amount of MyISAM tables + only few InnoDB tables |
| 20:55.07 | apofis | huge: > 35G |
| 20:55.25 | apofis | how would you deal with backups |
| 20:56.13 | apofis | mylvmbackup is not an option here - since db is not located on lvm volume |
| 20:56.15 | apofis | :/ |
| 20:56.16 | ompaul | dump rsync the dump |
| 20:56.19 | eptalon | apofis: there is some tool that lets you create a "script" that basically creates/fills the table. |
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| 20:56.50 | apofis | problems is I cannot use mysqldump - maybe qith option no-locks it will work |
| 20:56.50 | eptalon | apofis: this will create a "text file" |
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| 20:57.33 | ompaul | apofis: I can see this database was well planned ;-) |
| 20:57.40 | apofis | ha ha |
| 20:57.44 | apofis | no kidding ;) |
| 20:58.20 | apofis | so I want to make a backup and do not screw anything :D |
| 20:58.27 | eptalon | apofis: I take it downtime of the db is not an option? |
| 20:58.44 | eptalon | apofis: what filesystem are you using? |
| 20:58.53 | jelly-home | right, a cold backup is the simplest thing to do |
| 20:58.54 | apofis | ext4 |
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| 20:59.18 | apofis | I can set up an replication and during the backup time turn off slave and make a "cold" backup |
| 20:59.20 | eptalon | apofis: xfs has some tools to do 1) snapshots 2) whole volume dumps. |
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| 20:59.41 | eptalon | ext4 will have similar tools. |
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| 21:00.06 | jelly-home | eptalon: it won't, ext4 has no own snapshot support |
| 21:00.13 | jelly-home | that's what lvm is for |
| 21:00.27 | eptalon | jelly-home: oh. "enterpise-class"... |
| 21:00.52 | jelly-home | the combination works well. |
| 21:01.01 | eptalon | jelly-home: so there are no tools to clone a volume in its current state? |
| 21:01.18 | jelly-home | that's what I just said, yes |
| 21:01.20 | eptalon | (without external tools) |
| 21:01.24 | eptalon | sux. |
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| 21:02.00 | apofis | this db is not even located on a separate partition or anything like taht |
| 21:02.21 | ompaul | apofis: how much downtime have you got? |
| 21:02.22 | apofis | just a default RHEL5 installation at RackSpace |
| 21:02.40 | jelly-home | WHY are you asking for options in #debian, then? |
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| 21:02.59 | apofis | @ompaul: not much - so far have not experianced any |
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| 21:03.17 | jelly-home | #rhel is over there -> |
| 21:03.21 | apofis | @jelly-home: it's quite simple : you are the best guys |
| 21:03.32 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 21:03.33 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 21:03.42 | ompaul | apofis: well they better get used to it and see what jelly-home said and @ is from IM not IRC |
| 21:03.42 | Dion | Could someone please help me understanding why The Java Runtime environment wont work in Opera or any browser? I've installed the JAVA deb and software center says its good to go and so is the plugin, but it never loads as if its not there in my browser. =\ |
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| 21:04.17 | simonlnu | enable it? |
| 21:04.25 | eptalon | Dion: 1) SDK or JRE, 2) sun or OpenJDK? |
| 21:04.31 | apofis | @jelly-home: what if this DB is on Debian ;) |
| 21:04.50 | Dion | eptalon, I'm guessing JRE. |
| 21:04.50 | ompaul | apofis: it gets designed with backups in mind :) |
| 21:04.56 | jelly-home | apofis: then, based on the current conversation, I'd have to ask for proof |
| 21:05.36 | Dion | OpenJDK eptalon Checked. |
| 21:05.38 | apofis | @jelly-home: ha ha :) but you are a nice guy and I hope you got some experiance with backups |
| 21:05.38 | eptalon | apofis: none of your probs are distro specific, you might have to use tools that are either provided by the db vendor, the fs implementer, or a third party. |
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| 21:06.25 | Dion | ^ Welcome back. |
| 21:06.41 | apofis | oke dokie will try to ask about this stuff also on #rhel channel |
| 21:06.45 | eptalon | Dion: I am seeing some problems with Java Webstart (JNLP) in browser, when using OpenJDK. haven't pinned them down yet, though. |
| 21:06.46 | apofis | thx for suggestions :) |
| 21:06.48 | jelly-home | apofis: I'm very nice, but my time is not free and I can't care about other distros and their specifics. |
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| 21:07.39 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 21:07.46 | apofis | @jelly-home: no problem; I really appreciate ur help/suggestion |
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| 21:08.54 | eptalon | I guess when a harddisk starts getting unrecoverable sector errors its time for a replacement? |
| 21:09.12 | Dion | ^ Not always but usually. |
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| 21:11.45 | wuffi600 | i've just installed latest wheezy. When booting up the fist few lines of kernel output are readable as normal. But then the graphics output switches to some higher resolution, as if it wanted to initialize some framebuffer. The upper half of the screen shows some unreadable pixels different colors, the lower half of the screen ist just black. I have managed to install openssh-server blindly. so i can login from remote. |
| 21:12.02 | wuffi600 | How i can configure the bootup console graphics behaviour? |
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| 21:12.25 | jelly-home | eptalon: a good idea is to monitor the changes in unrecoverable sector count, if there's a significant rise in a small time frame... |
| 21:12.30 | simonlnu | start by telling it what driver to use, and load |
| 21:12.34 | wuffi600 | (Give vga=... statement to grub changes resolution only for the first seconds of booting.) |
| 21:12.46 | eptalon | jelly-home: smart would tell me that, no? |
| 21:12.55 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 21:13.04 | eptalon | ok. |
| 21:13.10 | bardzusny | wuffi600: try "nomodeset" |
| 21:13.34 | bardzusny | wuffi600: I had similar problems with ATI card and no firmware installed |
| 21:13.38 | simonlnu | hm, better idea, then you can determine what to use |
| 21:13.48 | simonlnu | and firmware ;) |
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| 21:20.24 | banseljaj | Hello, helpful people. I wanted to know if there is a way to reset Debian to a pristine post-install configuration.discarding all new software installs and custom configurations |
| 21:21.07 | ompaul | banseljaj: it would take more time than a fresh install |
| 21:21.46 | banseljaj | ompaul: I have a slow internet connection and don't want to download everything again |
| 21:22.22 | ompaul | banseljaj: reverse the works in /var/log/apt and remove all home directories of new users and if you put in any individual scripts or edits you got to go again, - that's my version others may have better ideas hang on for a while and see what they have to say |
| 21:22.49 | banseljaj | ompaul: thanks |
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| 21:53.50 | BlairA | Hi, was wondeing if anyone can help me. I'm looking for OpenGL2 support on a Radeon Mobility 4200 |
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| 21:55.01 | BlairA | Should the radeon driver support this already? Or do I need to go flgrx (Which made my graphics really slow - doesn't like my X setup) |
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| 21:55.37 | abrotman | man radeon would tell you |
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| 21:56.22 | tremon | or http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
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| 21:56.42 | tremon | you need to find out which generation your card is though (mobility 4200 doesn't ring a bell) |
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| 21:58.43 | sidney_ | abrotman: man nvidia should give results as well? |
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| 21:59.32 | BlairA | I think its RS880 - Which I don't see listed anywhere |
| 21:59.56 | abrotman | sidney_: try it, tell me |
| 22:00.30 | sidney_ | i get nothing |
| 22:00.53 | abrotman | man nouveau ? |
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| 22:02.24 | sidney_ | that worked |
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| 22:03.16 | tremon | rs880 is a chipset, accorsing to wikipedia the graphics is actually a hd4250, which suggests r700 family. But do check out #radeon |
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| 22:08.22 | BlairA | Thanks a lot, I |
| 22:08.29 | BlairA | *I'll try in there |
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| 22:11.03 | squarepeg | still installing my squeeze -> wheezy upgrade |
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| 22:11.44 | squarepeg | I don't know about others, but I get a good feeling watching my computer chug along through some useful process |
| 22:12.27 | squarepeg | Maybe I'm meant to be a systems administrator instead of a web developer |
| 22:13.00 | squarepeg | upgrading, backing things up, configuring things, trouble-shooting... |
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| 22:13.31 | abrotman | wait til it breaks, then fix it |
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| 22:13.58 | squarepeg | meanwhile, read magazines |
| 22:14.27 | squarepeg | about systems administration tools and techniques |
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| 22:14.52 | squarepeg | and everyone has to run everything by you, because they can't do what you don't give them permission to do. |
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| 22:18.06 | abrotman | yeah, right .. |
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| 22:18.48 | themill | dpkg: tell flaggy about root |
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| 22:21.12 | simonlnu | waits until reality hits squarepeg in the face |
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| 22:22.51 | squarepeg | I think I'd have a jewler make me a big ring and everyone would have to kiss the ring each time they request a new permission for their user account. |
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| 22:23.15 | simonlnu | great, another king/pop wannabe |
| 22:23.18 | simonlnu | pope* |
| 22:23.35 | squarepeg | systems administrator |
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| 22:24.43 | squarepeg | even the vatican has to have one, and the vatican system administrator can make the pope kiss his ring |
| 22:25.07 | simonlnu | ... |
| 22:25.32 | abrotman | squarepeg: do you actually need Debian help? We have #debian-offtopic for general chitchat |
| 22:25.41 | squarepeg | oh thanks |
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| 22:33.09 | pacci | !list |
| 22:33.09 | dpkg | pacci: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 22:33.28 | simonlnu | heh heh |
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| 22:34.33 | pacci | !list |
| 22:34.33 | dpkg | pacci: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 22:35.33 | themill | pacci: no warez here. |
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| 22:40.54 | pacci | !list |
| 22:40.54 | dpkg | pacci: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 22:41.29 | tremon | could somebody rewrite dpkg to auto-mute !list users? |
| 22:42.10 | themill | heh |
| 22:42.51 | Iridos | would there be a point to this? |
| 22:43.59 | Iridos | dpkg, literal list |
| 22:43.59 | dpkg | "list" is "<reply> $nick: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !||<reply>$nick: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più.||<reply>$nick: vedi http://packages.debian.org/" |
| 22:44.12 | Iridos | what happened to the unfriendly ones? |
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| 22:47.09 | abrotman | tremon: it's intentionally like that |
| 22:47.25 | abrotman | Iridos: we changed it .. it wasn't very useful |
| 22:47.50 | Iridos | well... it seems to have worked better... I've rarely seen someone try three times with those coming up before :) |
| 22:47.57 | tremon | ok... it's also intentionally answering channel-wide instead of through /msg ? |
| 22:48.28 | tremon | (yeah, I know, dpkg always answers channel-wide) |
| 22:48.30 | abrotman | right, but it's okay for the lot of you to use "!foo" repeatedly in the channel ... |
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| 22:50.33 | tremon | well, I couldn't really care less about it, but !list never seems to help others in the channel, which is why I asked |
| 22:51.40 | themill | dpkg doesn't have operator privileges |
| 22:51.40 | dpkg | themill: i don't know |
| 22:51.48 | themill | dpkg: shush |
| 22:51.48 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 22:51.54 | tremon | :) |
| 22:52.20 | tremon | oh thx, that explains it |
| 22:52.40 | abrotman | tremon: right, but debhelper could be set to do it .. oh well |
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| 22:53.09 | Iridos | but they usually give up after the first, the slow ones after the 2nd try and leave, so nobody is bothered enough to do it |
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| 22:53.55 | pacci | ;list |
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| 22:54.11 | Iridos | ok, and then there are the very, very slow ones |
| 22:54.28 | tremon | tried very hard not to comment |
| 22:54.59 | tremon | :) |
| 22:55.07 | Iridos | we have an... idiom, I guess that translates as "the exception confirms the rule" |
| 22:55.14 | Iridos | :D |
| 22:55.35 | Iridos | thank you, pacci, your timing was impaccible |
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| 22:57.28 | sidney_ | What is a slow one |
| 22:57.55 | jelly-home | Who* is a slow one |
| 22:58.19 | abrotman | proved his point? |
| 22:59.00 | jelly-home | should have told him to GO AWAY |
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| 22:59.55 | sidney_ | The real problem is some people cant explane things in terms that a layman can understand |
| 22:59.58 | Iridos | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 23:02.16 | sidney_ | If there is a problem with you guys answering questions let me know and I install another OS |
| 23:02.49 | themill | it's traditional to ask a question before complaining that no-one has answered it |
| 23:02.51 | Iridos | you haven't asked a question... except what a slow one is |
| 23:02.55 | tremon | sidney_: this wasn't about you |
| 23:03.08 | tremon | if that's what you're thinking |
| 23:03.34 | Iridos | themill, the world gets more fast-paced every day, though :) |
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| 23:17.55 | richardus | how can i view the changelog of a package with a security update? pressing 'c' in aptitude gets me a 404 not found error and the changelog link on PTS is for the stable version |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | you got a security update in unstable? |
| 23:18.37 | richardus | i'm on stable |
| 23:18.53 | abrotman | so why is the changelog pointing to stable a problem? |
| 23:19.13 | richardus | if you look on http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html the "changelog" only has the changelog for the latest stable version (5.3.3-7+squeeze8) and i want 5.3.3-7+squeeze13 |
| 23:19.21 | richardus | changelog link on the right hand side |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | oh, it's not updated yet |
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| 23:19.56 | abrotman | you're trying to look at it before you install it, or after? |
| 23:20.04 | richardus | before I install |
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| 23:20.16 | richardus | normally you can just hit "c" in aptitude and get the changelogg diff |
| 23:20.25 | richardus | but it doesn't work for updates that came off the security repo |
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| 23:20.35 | Guest55553 | hi all! |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | richardus: it would work, if the website were updated .. you can download the package and manaully extract the changelog |
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| 23:22.08 | Guest55553 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.25 | abrotman | Guest55553: Which OS are you using? |
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| 23:23.36 | Guest55553 | opensuse and it is problem |
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| 23:23.55 | abrotman | Guest55553: this is #debian, please use #opensuse for OpenSuSE questions |
| 23:23.56 | richardus | abrotman: ok, thanks. |
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| 23:24.21 | abrotman | richardus: or at least, that's how i'd solve it |
| 23:24.25 | Guest55553 | http://pastie.org/4064293 it is code |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | Guest55553: please go to #opensuse |
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| 23:25.56 | Guest55553 | abrotman, why? please help |
| 23:26.14 | abrotman | Guest55553: this channel is for Debian support |
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| 23:26.31 | abrotman | Guest55553: if you can't use #opensuse because you've been banned, perhaps try ##linux |
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| 23:32.03 | gentz | Any suggestions for a hypervisor or some sort of minimal vm setup which would be booted into by default on a dual-boot machine (windows or linux) where I could ssh into the machine to reboot to either partition? |
| 23:33.27 | jamesd | kvm, xen, virtualbox with both running on top of it.. no need to even reboot |
| 23:34.09 | gentz | which is the most stable of those? |
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| 23:35.44 | jamesd | i chose esxi ... but have had good results wirth virtual box and i have a shell account running on top of xen that has had uptimes over a year, joyent does kvm on top of smartos (illumos rerived OS) for there production workload. |
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| 23:37.18 | gentz | jamesd: thanks |
| 23:37.34 | uNIXplumber | is there a channel for PECL? |
| 23:37.48 | streuner_ | dpkg, pecl |
| 23:37.48 | dpkg | C extensions for <PHP> are known as PECLs. Many are already available precompiled in the Debian archive; ask me about <search>. You can download, compile and install them using the "pecl" command or even better, make a .deb package out of the extension using dh-make-pecl from the dh-make-php package. Also ask me about <pear>. |
| 23:38.20 | uNIXplumber | ups wrong channel sorry |
| 23:38.25 | streuner_ | uNIXplumber: seems not |
| 23:39.03 | uNIXplumber | it is a APD related question, its a pecl.php extension |
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| 23:40.06 | streuner_ | (if there is no mention in a factiod itself...) |
| 23:40.56 | streuner_ | factoid* |
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| 23:43.24 | i-me | The hell... Just entered on my server without entering my root password correctly... |
| 23:43.46 | i-me | Might be an security problems... |
| 23:43.56 | abrotman | i-me: how many characters? |
| 23:44.08 | i-me | My password, >10 |
| 23:44.15 | i-me | What I entered, 4 |
| 23:44.17 | bardzusny | i-me: how did you manage it? |
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| 23:44.40 | i-me | My connection user is using RSA key to log in without passwords |
| 23:44.51 | bardzusny | yes |
| 23:44.53 | i-me | But then, I have to "su" using the root password |
| 23:45.21 | i-me | And here is where my password hadn't been checked by the system correctly |
| 23:45.25 | bardzusny | and you can "su" using any password? |
| 23:46.21 | i-me | Yes, I can too. |
| 23:47.30 | jelly-home | which debian release, i-me? |
| 23:48.01 | i-me | 6 |
| 23:48.06 | i-me | OVH kernel |
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| 23:52.00 | narsh | guys how can i resize this image on my blog? http://ladybunny.net/blog/uploaded_images/fish-737351.jpg |
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| 23:52.59 | MatthewRoB | Hi, I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but I've got a problem. So I'm installing Linux to a USB drive. |
| 23:53.16 | MatthewRoB | I have a live USB stick here and when I insert it the computer boots from it. |
| 23:53.38 | MatthewRoB | But the drive I've installed a full-install not just a live install to is not booting. |
| 23:54.07 | MatthewRoB | I don't know why this would be? I'm thinking it may have something to do with UEFI being what this mobo uses. |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | MatthewRoB: linux ? |
| 23:56.41 | MatthewRoB | abrotman, of course, a debian derivative. |
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| 23:57.05 | MatthewRoB | Oh I don't know if I understand what you're asking? |
| 23:57.05 | abrotman | MatthewRoB: so ask them, this channel is for Debian, not based-on-debian |
| 23:57.45 | MatthewRoB | abrotman, oh, alright, sorry. |
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| 23:59.49 | nvz | is suspend doable without a swap partition? |
