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| 00:03.18 | nvz | hmm maybe I should just try it with a swapfile.. never really tried it to know if it works or not |
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| 00:05.21 | amphorion | mvz: suspend to RAM is possible without swap |
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| 00:06.25 | shm | Salutation . |
| 00:06.40 | shm | is gwibber available in debian wheezy ? |
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| 00:07.42 | shm | apt-cache policy output Unable to locate package |
| 00:07.43 | nvz | amphorion: I've just never done anything but the tradional suspend to swap partition, and I didn't create one on this system because it has 3gb ram and gave no thought to it being a laptop that will need to do that |
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| 00:08.21 | nvz | amphorion: obviously a hibernate could not work that way |
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| 00:12.49 | shm | perhaps am missing a repo http://sprunge.us/AcAe |
| 00:13.28 | Guest55553 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso can not be downloaded, it is the right link? |
| 00:14.26 | Iridos | judd, versions gwibber |
| 00:14.27 | judd | Package: gwibber on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.0+bzr358-3; sid: 3.0.0.1-2.1 |
| 00:14.36 | Iridos | shm, it's in stable and sid, but not in testing |
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| 00:15.41 | Guest55553 | avrotman, support me, i need get distr debian |
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| 00:16.07 | abrotman | wonders who avrotman is .. |
| 00:16.10 | Iridos | and you're missing "contrib non-free" on most lines, except the last one, which is (apart from contrib and non-free) a duplicate of the first non-comment line |
| 00:16.33 | Iridos | abrotman, the poor sucker who's gotta support him :P |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | no, i don't |
| 00:16.57 | Iridos | not you... avrotman, obviously |
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| 00:17.55 | Iridos | anyway, bedtime, gn |
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| 00:18.28 | shm | Iridos:noted, thank you :) |
| 00:19.16 | Sidney__ | narsh you are one sick soul |
| 00:19.17 | nvz | oh well apparently the suspend does "just work(tm)" |
| 00:19.30 | shm | Guest55553: that link is not opening here . |
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| 00:21.25 | Guest55553 | avrotman, please give me a link to download a netinstall image |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:22.25 | Guest55553 | please give me a link to download a netinstall image |
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| 00:23.07 | shm | Guest55553: can you reach the bittorrent link ! |
| 00:23.23 | Guest55553 | ok, please |
| 00:23.30 | shm | Guest55553: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 00:24.24 | shm | Guest55553: from the bittorent sction .. select i386 |
| 00:24.33 | shm | *section. |
| 00:24.39 | Guest55553 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso.torrent do not download |
| 00:25.09 | shm | odd , i cant reach it myself http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 00:25.23 | shm | Guest55553: you're right. |
| 00:26.27 | Sidney__ | shm it opened transmission here |
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| 00:27.28 | Guest55553 | i get from mirror |
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| 00:28.17 | Sidney__ | Guest55553, that link worked for me |
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| 00:28.47 | shm | Sidney__: thanks , it could be my connection i guess . |
| 00:28.52 | Sidney__ | download complete |
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| 00:30.56 | shm | unbelievable , i can download it with wget -c . |
| 00:31.03 | shm | or even curl. |
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| 00:35.37 | shm | how about the list now , http://sprunge.us/EZIL |
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| 00:38.49 | abrotman | isn't htere a better/closer mirror you can use? |
| 00:39.40 | dvs | polishes his mirror |
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| 00:40.12 | gnarface | just uses the coffee table |
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| 00:54.04 | shm | No primary mirror with my country code , am in saudi arabia so am not sure which mirror is closer. |
| 00:54.54 | bardzusny | shm: use apt-spy |
| 00:56.06 | bardzusny | shm: I think that's wrong context, sorry |
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| 00:56.14 | shm | bardzusny: the output is command not found . |
| 00:56.32 | bardzusny | however, hm, no, it still applies |
| 00:56.36 | bardzusny | you have to install it first |
| 00:56.51 | shm | Right , apt-cach shows its there . |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | actually |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | !tell shm about cdn.debian.net |
| 00:57.04 | abrotman | apt-spy is awful |
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| 01:01.05 | shm | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 01:04.34 | shm | http://sprunge.us/XFKj |
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| 01:08.02 | shm | is 'vim'available under a different name ? |
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| 01:08.40 | nkuttler | shm: apt-cache search vim |
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| 01:10.47 | shm | nkuttler: vim: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: sary@debian:~$ |
| 01:11.21 | shm | am running wheezy. |
| 01:11.48 | shm | wait .. |
| 01:12.22 | abrotman | maybe you should .. install it ? |
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| 01:16.42 | nsadmin | shm, if you can't see vim as an available package, perhaps something's up with your package sources |
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| 01:19.33 | shm | nsadmin: i've actually |
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| 01:20.28 | shm | replaced my apt-get source to cdn , updating now .. |
| 01:21.50 | shm | Yea , that was it .. vim is available now. |
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| 01:27.55 | shm | attepmting to do an upgrade , i see some packages will be kept back .. http://paste.debian.net/173862/ |
| 01:28.24 | dvs | not a full upgrade? |
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| 01:28.39 | shm | no , upgrade |
| 01:28.49 | nsadmin | from? to? |
| 01:28.50 | stew | shm: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 01:29.17 | shm | stew: thanks |
| 01:29.33 | shm | no , just upgrading the packages i guess . |
| 01:29.47 | stew | shm: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:29.50 | shm | sudo apt-get upgrade . |
| 01:30.01 | shm | stew: wheezy |
| 01:30.10 | dvs | ... |
| 01:31.17 | stew | right, so this type of thing should happen often, and when he says "full upgrade" he probably means to refer to the "aptitude full-upgrade" command, which is similar to "apt-get dist-upgrade" as opposed to "apt-get upgrde", which is often needed in non-stable releases as dependencies change |
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| 01:34.03 | stew | shm: you should probably understand why packages would get held back all the time in a non-stable release |
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| 01:36.40 | shm | stew: thank you , noted that .. so now as aptitude full-upgrade shows http://paste.debian.net/173863/ |
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| 01:37.22 | stew | right |
| 01:38.40 | shm | so i should select yes .. |
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| 01:39.26 | stew | are you particularly attached to any of 6 packages it is conidering removing? |
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| 01:40.12 | bintut | waves |
| 01:40.22 | dvs | o/ |
| 01:40.33 | stew | \O |
| 01:40.42 | bintut | i'm wondering if it's possible to capture both the fqhn and its ip address in a single tcpdump command. any idea? |
| 01:40.43 | shm | stew: am not sure. |
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| 01:41.36 | lyrae | Is there a place for updated repos? |
| 01:41.48 | lyrae | kinda like..a testing |
| 01:41.51 | stew | lyrae: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:42.49 | bintut | i only want to capture the header only of all protocols in my server's traffic. but i want to get both the fqhn and ip address including the src/dst ports and protocols |
| 01:42.53 | nsadmin | lyrae, what specifically do you need? |
| 01:43.21 | lyrae | Install a version of wine that's at least 1.4 and VirtualBox that's at least 4.1 (the one in repo is 3.2) |
| 01:43.30 | lyrae | Im adding deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free to the list and seeing what happens |
| 01:43.52 | nsadmin | are you running lenny? |
| 01:44.11 | lyrae | Not sure. using a derivative of debian |
| 01:44.19 | stew | lyrae: realize that lenny is no longer supported because of how old it is |
| 01:44.24 | stew | lyrae: which derivative? |
| 01:44.29 | nsadmin | do you want to run debian or the deriv? |
| 01:44.39 | lyrae | (that was just the first google result. will try more) |
| 01:44.42 | lyrae | and, crunchbang |
| 01:44.49 | stew | !crunchbang |
| 01:44.49 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 01:45.18 | nsadmin | ok, so, do you want to run crunchbang or debian? |
| 01:45.21 | lyrae | I know that. but my question is just about repositories |
| 01:45.22 | stew | lyrae: ^^ "not supported in #debian", "#crunchbang on irc.freenode.net." |
| 01:45.36 | lyrae | which is pretty much debian |
| 01:45.46 | shm | stew: as descriped by apt-cache show packages , no i don't need them. |
| 01:46.01 | stew | shm: so say "y" to agree to that solution |
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| 01:46.06 | abrotman | lyrae: we have zero idea what repositories are available to crunchbang, ask them |
| 01:46.08 | nsadmin | if you were told that actually they were totally different, which would you want? |
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| 01:46.14 | stew | shm: (if you say "n" it might come up with a new solution) |
| 01:46.19 | lyrae | debian of course |
| 01:46.33 | nsadmin | ok, so do you want help installing debian now? |
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| 01:46.38 | MsAshley | Hi |
| 01:46.46 | MsAshley | oops wc |
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| 01:46.57 | lyrae | I will install it soon |
| 01:46.58 | shm | stew: how about the part The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: firmware-linux-free libatm1 |
| 01:47.07 | stew | lyrae: if you want to replace crunchbang with debian you can go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" to get an installer to replace your crunchbang install with a new debian install |
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| 01:47.48 | shm | I've tried the new installed :) |
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| 01:47.58 | stew | shm: if you want to install them, you could say "+firmware-linux-free" instead of "y" for example. or you can jus install them later |
| 01:48.01 | nsadmin | OK, so... when you do, people here will know what you (will) have... until then, #crunchbang has the best info for you |
| 01:48.03 | shm | *installer. |
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| 01:48.54 | shm | stew: Thanks , i'll grab them later than . |
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| 01:59.01 | shm | *then, |
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| 02:29.02 | MystKid | hello,wehere can i find the mediainfo packagE? |
| 02:30.07 | karlpinc | MystKid: Install and use apt-file to find it. |
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| 02:31.26 | MystKid | unemt dependencies. do i have to add a repo for mediainfo? |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | show us yours |
| 02:32.32 | MystKid | ? |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | your repos |
| 02:33.05 | karlpinc | MystKid: You should not be adding repos, as a rule. (It also wouldn't hurt to tell us the command you typed, and it's output so we can see what's really happening.) |
| 02:33.27 | MystKid | i have to cehck the manual to see. im new to debian |
| 02:33.42 | karlpinc | !pastebinit |
| 02:33.42 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 02:33.57 | karlpinc | MystKid: We'd want your sources.list file, per abovce. |
| 02:34.01 | MystKid | i wrote myself a prunge function XD |
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| 02:34.30 | MystKid | sprunge* |
| 02:34.34 | MystKid | sprunge /etc/apt/sources.list http://sprunge.us/jHbB |
| 02:34.51 | Crooper | Hello |
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| 02:35.22 | abrotman | MystKid: and did you run `aptitude update; aptitude install mediainfo' ? |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | mediainfo is NOT in squeeze |
| 02:35.57 | MystKid | i need it tho |
| 02:36.05 | MystKid | Couldn't find any package matching "mediainfo". However, the following |
| 02:36.07 | MystKid | packages contain "mediainfo" in their description |
| 02:36.21 | abrotman | need it? |
| 02:36.22 | MystKid | dvd+rw-tools |
| 02:36.42 | abrotman | well, it's stlil not in squeeze |
| 02:37.05 | MystKid | should i build from sourcE? |
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| 02:38.31 | karlpinc | MystKid: You could look in backports. If it's not there you could backport it yourself. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for an overview. What does it do and why do you "need it"? Perhaps there is an alternative. |
| 02:38.55 | abrotman | it hasn't been backported |
| 02:39.02 | MystKid | http://forums.rutorrent.org/index.php?topic=603.30 |
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| 02:41.02 | spdupee | is deb 7 coming out soon? |
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| 02:41.23 | karlpinc | !tell spdupee about guess the release date |
| 02:41.34 | Crooper | AGTT |
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| 02:42.22 | abrotman | spdupee: hasn't even frozen yet |
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| 02:44.22 | ttyS1 | when i run /etc/init.d/networking restart I get the error ...ignoring unknown interfaceseth0=eth0. Networking works fine however NetworkManager and rygel don't seem to be aware of the existence of eth0. |
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| 02:49.46 | FerchoLP | hi |
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| 02:50.54 | FerchoLP | I'm having a strange behavior on a debian server. Mails are getting bounced. From gmail I see "The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.7.1 <destination@theserver.com>... we do not relay <mymail@gmail.com> (state 13).". |
| 02:50.56 | FerchoLP | But, destination@theserver.com can send mails correctly, and I can send mails to destination@theserver.com with "telnet mail1.theserver.com 25" and with HELO, MAIL FROM, RCPT TO and DATA, etc |
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| 02:51.09 | FerchoLP | I have this postconf http://pastebin.com/GwjfLpHq |
| 02:51.21 | MystKid | im trying to run a X session on my server and conenct to it trought VNC and once i am connected I get an X as the mouse and the desktop looks liek this : [02:42] < abrotman> spdupee: hasn't even frozen yet |
| 02:51.25 | MystKid | ops |
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| 02:51.35 | MystKid | http://ompldr.org/vZThvc |
| 02:51.55 | MystKid | sorry no clue were that paste came from |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | MystKid: try again ... |
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| 02:53.49 | MystKid | i did try i allways get that X as mouse and grey background |
| 02:53.55 | FerchoLP | could it be some DNS problem? How is that possible that I can send manually a mail through telnet port 25 to that server but gmail can't? |
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| 02:55.04 | MystKid | in my xstartup i got startfluxbox & |
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| 02:58.02 | dizzylizzy | exec |
| 02:58.20 | dizzylizzy | oh wait the & nvm |
| 02:58.33 | MystKid | yeah tehre is no need for exec i think |
| 02:58.47 | MystKid | at least tahts how i configured on my gentoo box |
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| 03:11.54 | MystKid | any idea? |
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| 03:12.30 | dizzylizzy | i think you scared everyone away with your picture mentioning /b/ |
| 03:13.15 | MystKid | wtf |
| 03:13.16 | MystKid | lol |
| 03:13.21 | MystKid | it uplaoded a wrong pic |
| 03:13.25 | MystKid | tofl |
| 03:13.29 | MystKid | rofl |
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| 03:13.52 | MystKid | http://ompldr.org/vZThvcg |
| 03:13.54 | dizzylizzy | MystKid, you know you could get a lot of the same information mediainfo gives you with ffmpeg |
| 03:14.48 | MystKid | yeah i know ffmpeg pretty good.. but the webui for rtorrent requires mediainfo for a plugin. and i do not really want to rewrite the plugin |
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| 03:17.05 | dizzylizzy | that's pretty strange to be honest |
| 03:17.22 | dizzylizzy | and you rely on rtorrent vs another client... and upgrading to wheezy is pretty darn impractical |
| 03:17.30 | MystKid | well i jsut instaleld fluxbox?? do i need xinit or any other drivers for the headless box? |
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| 03:17.46 | dizzylizzy | you will need Xorg installed to use fluxbox |
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| 03:18.01 | MystKid | i am on a headless box.. |
| 03:18.13 | dizzylizzy | why would you need fluxbox then? |
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| 03:18.36 | MystKid | to configure some applications taht run as daemon but have only a gui to be configured |
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| 03:19.14 | dizzylizzy | I'm sorry but are you just uncomfortable with text-only configuration or something? |
| 03:19.53 | MystKid | dizzylizzy: no actually i do everything trought terminal..but this app i am configuring has no way to do it from cli |
| 03:20.26 | dizzylizzy | it would be helpful to know what app you are talking about |
| 03:20.36 | MystKid | eiskaltdcpp daemon |
| 03:20.54 | dizzylizzy | because nearly every graphical configuration editor on debian saves its information to a text document |
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| 03:22.05 | MystKid | yes i know but since this is a p2p application.. and the developers didnt implement the daemon or a cli way to search for media.. tehre is no other way to add soem files in teh queue... jsut start the app.. search for files..close X and run the daemon |
| 03:22.51 | dizzylizzy | that sounds like a very poor choice of program for a headless machine. This is beyond my willingness to figure it out if anybody else wants to try something clever |
| 03:23.14 | MystKid | well taht is the only way to connect to those networks.. |
| 03:23.21 | MystKid | i cant get X started tho |
| 03:23.40 | MystKid | im gettign that screen with white-grey dots |
| 03:24.12 | dizzylizzy | um |
| 03:24.15 | dizzylizzy | that's X |
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| 03:24.30 | MystKid | why isnt it starting fluxbox tho? |
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| 03:24.50 | MystKid | there is no xorg log anywhere also |
| 03:24.52 | dizzylizzy | well for one thing you said "xstartup" earlier |
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| 03:24.58 | dizzylizzy | xstartup isn't a thing |
| 03:25.18 | MystKid | what do you mean |
| 03:25.27 | dizzylizzy | are you thinking of ~/.xinitrc ? |
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| 03:26.56 | MystKid | with xstartup xinitrc is not needed |
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| 03:27.04 | bardzusny | MystKid: "echo exec fluxbox > ~/.xinitrc", then start x |
| 03:27.10 | dizzylizzy | pretty much |
| 03:27.12 | dizzylizzy | I like Archlinux's wiki's .xinitrc file |
| 03:27.17 | dizzylizzy | debian != gentoo |
| 03:27.24 | kbar | should i be worried about this? W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 03:27.30 | dizzylizzy | i don't know what gentoo did with this xstartup stuff but I've never heard of it |
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| 03:27.50 | MystKid | bhttp://www.ehow.com/how_5089245_install-vnc-server-ubuntu.html |
| 03:27.51 | bardzusny | kbar: I'm getting exact same warnings and my ethernet card works fine |
| 03:27.59 | kbar | ok |
| 03:28.02 | MystKid | dizzylizzy: check that ^^ |
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| 03:28.31 | MystKid | bardzusny: i cant start X if i am sshed to a headless machine.. thats why im using xstartup |
| 03:28.43 | wolfric | is there anyway to get a chain of dependencies for a package? ie all the dependency dependencies and all the packages that would be installed if you were to apt-get install the page |
| 03:28.46 | MystKid | cause vncserver sources it and starts a X session |
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| 03:32.13 | dizzylizzy | oh nifty |
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| 03:32.44 | wolfric | uh wow... i tried debtree... the .gif is already 4 gigs *gulp* |
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| 03:33.43 | MystKid | dizzylizzy: got it working... permission issue..had to chmod 775 the xstartup file |
| 03:33.53 | MystKid | X is now running |
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| 03:35.03 | dizzylizzy | Oh, it had to be executable, righto |
| 03:35.08 | dizzylizzy | congrats |
| 03:35.11 | MystKid | yeah XD |
| 03:36.32 | neo^ | ntpdate-debian is not a cron job by default? |
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| 03:38.11 | neo^ | http://debian-handbook.info/get/now/ <- no longer available as html? |
| 03:38.18 | Arrowmaster | so this just happened http://imgur.com/7wL1Y |
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| 03:40.23 | MystKid | nice everything at 100%!! |
| 03:40.24 | MystKid | XD |
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| 03:42.16 | Arrowmaster | check the VIRT usage |
| 03:43.39 | dizzylizzy | neo^, yes it is, install the package debian-handbook |
| 03:43.43 | dizzylizzy | :P it's html in that package |
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| 03:45.19 | neo^ | dizzylizzy: got it |
| 03:45.36 | MystKid | dizzylizzy: you might know how i can install this now XD http://packages.debian.org/sid/eiskaltdcpp-daemon |
| 03:45.44 | MystKid | i can find it in soem repo? |
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| 03:47.42 | MystKid | should downlaod all those deps by hand and install them? |
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| 03:48.02 | dizzylizzy | yeaaah you might want to compile this from source and get the required libraries when you need them... or just upgrade to wheezy? |
| 03:48.07 | dizzylizzy | i mean did you *just* set up this machine? |
| 03:48.14 | shm | I need to switch to nv driver instead of nouveau , should i just purge nouveau ! |
| 03:48.16 | dizzylizzy | source: http://code.google.com/p/eiskaltdc/ |
| 03:48.42 | MystKid | dizzylizzy: yeah i did jsut set it up... why should i upgrade to weezY? |
| 03:48.58 | dizzylizzy | you don't have to |
| 03:49.21 | MystKid | dizzylizzy: that package is availalbe for wheezY? |
| 03:49.35 | neo^ | ,versions debian-handbook |
| 03:49.37 | judd | Package: debian-handbook on i386 -- sid: 6.0+20120509; wheezy: 6.0+20120509 |
| 03:49.48 | neo^ | dizzylizzy: ^ not in stable |
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| 03:51.11 | nsadmin | , v eiskaltdcpp-daemon |
| 03:51.12 | judd | Package: eiskaltdcpp-daemon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.6-4; wheezy: 2.2.6-4 |
| 03:51.46 | melvin | anyboy know about FreeNAS? |
| 03:51.53 | MystKid | ah so there is no available package for squeeze? |
| 03:52.00 | nsadmin | , checkbackport eiskaltdcpp-daemon |
| 03:52.01 | judd | Backporting package eiskaltdcpp-daemon in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 03:52.44 | nsadmin | that's not definitive... but it seems like you can make a backport |
| 03:52.56 | MystKid | what do you mean? |
| 03:53.02 | nsadmin | , depends eiskaltdcpp-daemon |
| 03:53.03 | judd | No package named 'eiskaltdcpp-daemon' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 03:53.24 | nsadmin | , depends eiskaltdcpp-daemon --release=wheezy |
| 03:53.25 | judd | Package eiskaltdcpp-daemon in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libeiskaltdcpp2.2 (>= 2.2.6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6). |
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| 03:53.46 | MystKid | nsadmin: http://packages.debian.org/sid/eiskaltdcpp-daemon i found this |
| 03:53.57 | MystKid | not sure if i should install all those packages by hand or waht |
| 03:54.01 | MystKid | what/* |
| 03:54.26 | nsadmin | do you write c programs? |
| 03:54.31 | dizzylizzy | neo^, funny, the handbook is for squeeze. must have come out after the release. the package is literally only documentation, you can download the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/debian-handbook |
| 03:54.37 | MystKid | no nsadmin |
| 03:55.30 | nsadmin | ok, what has you interested in this package? |
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| 03:55.39 | MystKid | the daemon |
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| 03:55.48 | neo^ | ,checkbackport debian-handbook |
| 03:55.54 | judd | Backporting package debian-handbook in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: publican-debian. |
| 03:56.10 | neo^ | dizzylizzy: ok |
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| 03:57.21 | MystKid | i was hoping there was a prebuilt package for it |
| 03:58.03 | nsadmin | MystKid, ok, so, it's not safe to install programs from a later debian release than the one you run, so, there's backporting which looks like it might work for you |
| 03:58.28 | MystKid | nsadmin: but waht about this page i found? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/eiskaltdcpp |
| 03:58.43 | MystKid | ah tehre is no adaemon there i guess |
| 03:58.58 | nsadmin | , v eiskaltdcpp |
| 03:58.59 | judd | Package: eiskaltdcpp on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.3-1; sid: 2.2.6-4; wheezy: 2.2.6-4 |
| 03:59.14 | MystKid | , v eiskaltdcpp-daemon |
| 03:59.15 | judd | Package: eiskaltdcpp-daemon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.6-4; wheezy: 2.2.6-4 |
| 03:59.18 | nsadmin | dunno whether that's the case or not |
| 03:59.28 | MystKid | i shoudl upgrade to sid then |
| 03:59.33 | MsAshley | dizzylizzy: :D ambush!~ |
| 03:59.38 | dizzylizzy | neo^, that unsatisfied build dependency only exists if you want to build the package, the .deb is fine |
| 03:59.39 | dizzylizzy | hmm? |
| 03:59.52 | MsAshley | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/PABRcom-WXHMD/ |
| 04:00.20 | nsadmin | MystKid, running sid requires advanced debian-related skill |
| 04:00.33 | MystKid | eve if i will run a headless amchine? |
| 04:00.44 | nsadmin | a server? |
| 04:00.48 | MystKid | yes |
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| 04:01.17 | nsadmin | how many will use this server? |
| 04:01.22 | MystKid | 2 people |
| 04:01.53 | nsadmin | the thing is it's not recommended to install sid on a server |
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| 04:02.42 | MsAshley | MystKid: aptosid is sid but more stable |
| 04:02.46 | nsadmin | it's like trying to kill a rabbit with a misconfigured nuke that doesn't explode but leaks radiation into your toilet |
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| 04:02.56 | MsAshley | MystKid: Also, Fedora 17 is almost up to date - Arch Linux is also good |
| 04:03.05 | MsAshley | MystKid: I'll help you set up an arch linux server for a price... :P |
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| 04:03.28 | MystKid | MsAshley: i know arch better than you probably. i run it on 4 boxes at home.. |
| 04:03.37 | MsAshley | MystKid: oh... *hides* |
| 04:03.39 | MsAshley | MystKid: XD |
| 04:03.53 | MsAshley | MystKid: why sid? |
| 04:04.05 | MystKid | also asking for money in installing a distro is not nice... an admin would of have kicked you |
| 04:04.09 | nsadmin | MystKid, what's the actual purpose of running this (headless) machine |
| 04:04.12 | jagginess | MystKid, you shouldnt say that on irc.. you never knew who could behind a project |
| 04:04.12 | nsadmin | ? |
| 04:04.15 | MystKid | not to mention the total off topic |
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| 04:04.41 | nsadmin | and it's true, you do have a lot of choices as to what to run |
| 04:04.42 | mooglenorph | Hi, is there a dropbox alternative for debian on ARM? |
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| 04:05.11 | Neo | damn it neo^ |
| 04:05.24 | neo^ | Neo: :D |
| 04:05.31 | Neo | lol |
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| 04:07.43 | mooglenorph | Has anyone used unison? |
| 04:07.47 | mooglenorph | How decent/robust is it? |
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| 04:08.06 | MsAshley | mooglenorph: what's that? |
| 04:08.25 | mooglenorph | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/unison |
| 04:08.30 | mooglenorph | Directory sync utility. |
| 04:08.54 | mooglenorph | I need something like dropbox that'll work on debian for ARM |
| 04:09.14 | nsadmin | ! ssb |
| 04:09.14 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 04:11.43 | mooglenorph | Mostly, I'm worried about interrupted operations. Does anyone have other suggestions for a dropbox-alike? |
| 04:13.05 | mooglenorph | Nevermind, unison looks pretty excellent/robust. |
| 04:16.01 | shm | so the NV display driver is not available under wheezy , whats my options . |
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| 04:17.35 | theseb | HELP!!! What would make a long time faithful laptop NOT turn on? HELP!!! What would make a long time faithful laptop NOT turn on? HELP!!! What would make a long time faithful laptop NOT turn on? |
| 04:17.44 | theseb | oops |
| 04:17.54 | theseb | wow....3x |
| 04:17.56 | theseb | lol |
| 04:18.24 | nsadmin | you have three laptops?! |
| 04:18.40 | shm | :) |
| 04:19.28 | theseb | nsadmin: actually i do....but this important one is the one i need to get working since it is a work laptop |
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| 04:35.44 | jair | does anybody know what cdn.debian.net is used for? connected d? network? |
| 04:36.04 | jair | I noticed this cdn package is available in unstable version of debian? |
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| 04:37.12 | shm | jair: cdn.debian.net is an apt-get mirror . |
| 04:39.12 | jair | shm: the purpose of this project is to have your own repository of packages available locally? |
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| 04:41.16 | shm | so My GPU is GeForce 8400M GS , i need to replace it with the free open source driver nv , but its not available under wheezy .. what is my options here ?! |
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| 04:43.34 | jagginess | shm, ./Nvidia*run ? that's what i'd try.. |
| 04:43.41 | Some_Person | Is cdimage.debian.org down? |
| 04:43.49 | jagginess | shm, (you get the Nvidia*.run filename from nvidia site) |
| 04:43.57 | shm | jair: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
| 04:45.24 | shm | jagginess: am not sure on which directory i should run that .. |
| 04:46.13 | zzing | Does anyone happen to know a good webstats program that generates usage stats from apache log files in a nice html way of viewing it? |
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| 04:49.24 | Internat | awstats? |
| 04:50.04 | shm | nouveau is misbehaving on the screen . |
| 04:50.31 | nsadmin | , build-dep eiskaltdcpp-daemon --release=wheezy |
| 04:50.32 | judd | Package eiskaltdcpp-daemon in wheezy -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~), po-debconf, autotools-dev, fakeroot, chrpath, pkg-config, cmake (>= 2.6.0), libqt4-dev (>= 4.4.0), qt4-dev-tools (>= 4.4.0), qt4-qtconfig (>= 4.4.0), libgtk2.0-dev, libglade2-dev, libnotify-dev, liblua5.1-0-dev, libpcre3-dev, libboost-dev, libbz2-dev, zlib1g-dev, libssl-dev, libaspell-dev, libminiupnpc-dev, libidn11-dev, |
| 04:50.33 | judd | libattr1-dev. |
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| 05:20.37 | nsadmin | , v libminiupnpc-dev |
| 05:20.38 | judd | Package: libminiupnpc-dev on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1.5-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.5-2; wheezy: 1.5-2; experimental: 1.6-2 |
| 05:20.44 | neo^ | no primary/secondary mirrors in India!! :( :( :( |
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| 05:21.49 | neo^ | only two leaf mirrors |
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| 05:26.35 | nsadmin | !squeeze backports |
| 05:26.35 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 05:31.42 | PCChris | when I try to mount an ext4 image residing on an ntfs partition, I keep getting "mount: block device XX/ext4.img is write-protected, mounting read-only" |
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| 05:32.05 | PCChris | However, when I move the image to an ext4 partition it mounts fine rw |
| 05:32.26 | PCChris | I'm using mount -t ext4 -o loop,rw |
| 05:33.29 | linuxfreck | looks like your ntfs partition isn't mounted rw |
| 05:34.01 | PCChris | linuxfreck, nope, can create files just fine on the ntfs, it's weird |
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| 05:35.31 | linuxfreck | PCChris, well it says that the image is write protected |
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| 05:36.34 | PCChris | linuxfreck, sorry, I should have noted this is actually in vmware so the fs the image resides on seems to actually be...vmhgfs? |
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| 05:37.13 | PCChris | linuxfreck, but in any case, I can write there, and mount confirms that it is mounted rw |
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| 05:38.04 | linuxfreck | PCChris, maybe it's an actual permissions problem, do you have write rights on the image file? |
| 05:38.51 | PCChris | linuxfreck, yeah it shows up 777 in ls |
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| 05:46.02 | Some_Person | I had a program before that could scan a screwed up hard drive and copy files off it to another drive. Anyone know the name of this program? |
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| 05:52.10 | jagginess | Some_Person, google: "List of software filesystem recovery linux site:wikipedia.org" |
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| 05:59.04 | neo^ | Alt+SysRq+u doesn't even allow /etc/mtab to update? |
| 06:00.07 | neo^ | how do i confirm that the filesystems have been remounted ro |
| 06:00.44 | scientes | Neo, /etc/mtab should be a symlink to /proc/self/mounts |
| 06:00.44 | KsM | `mount` |
| 06:00.57 | scientes | ksk, mount just looks at /etc/mtab |
| 06:01.06 | scientes | ^KsM |
| 06:01.15 | KsM | ┐('～`；)┌ |
| 06:02.05 | KsM | Is this something like "How to I make my system tell me something it doesn't know"? |
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| 06:03.37 | KsM | "Under graphical environments (such as Gnome or KDE) 'Alt'+'PrintScrn/SysRq'+key combination generally only leads to a screenshot being dumped. To avoid this Print Screen feature the magic SysRq combination should include the Ctrl, becoming 'Ctrl'+'Alt'+'SysRq'+key. For the same purposes the AltGr key, if present, can be used in place of the Alt key." |
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| 06:23.37 | KsM | ectospasm: fsck usually runs automatically on boot anyway, you can try to do some stuff with mv or dd and pull the cord an see if anything happens |
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| 06:23.53 | KsM | but usually it'll get fixed by itself on boot |
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| 06:29.43 | MystKid_ | heya guys i added the wheezy repos and did aptitude full-upgrade .. anything else that needs to be done? |
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| 06:30.55 | KsM | sudo apt-get install lsb-release && lsb_release -a |
| 06:31.18 | MystKid_ | speaking with me KsM ? |
| 06:31.25 | KsM | yes |
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| 06:32.44 | MO_Handes | what's the best office for right to left languages? (libreoffice, openoffice, ? |
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| 06:35.58 | Hajime | Both of them was the best |
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| 06:36.55 | MystKid_ | libreoffice is morea ctive in development.. i guess you should try that |
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| 06:44.28 | mikkelb | Hey! If I wget www.somesite.com/somefolder/, how do I make wget download it into just somefolder/ and not www.somesite.com/somefolder/? |
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| 06:51.05 | jelly-home | mikkelb: read about --no-host-directories in the manual |
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| 06:52.08 | mikkelb | thanks jelly-home |
| 06:52.16 | mikkelb | also.. how do I like - for each file wget downloads, move that file from destination_folder to cwd? |
| 06:52.29 | mjt | it does that by default :) |
| 06:53.00 | neo^ | how do i restore display resolution? |
| 06:53.09 | neo^ | * after playing nexuiz |
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| 06:55.15 | mikkelb | mjt: hehe |
| 06:55.31 | Blackshirt | Hehe |
| 06:55.50 | neo^ | what is the command to change display resolution? |
| 06:55.57 | jelly-home | mikkelb: did you take a look at the manual? Two options above -nH there's a -nd |
| 06:56.06 | mikkelb | hey anybody know whats wrong with this? wget -m -A mp3 -nc -nH -nv http://url? im getting "cant timestamp and not timestamp at the same time" (in a foreign language though) |
| 06:56.21 | mikkelb | jelly-home: yes i did |
| 06:56.58 | jelly-home | if that doesn't do what you wish, you'll have to di it manually |
| 06:57.06 | cantido | you don't say where the error is coming from.. but if that is in the response maybe its the other side |
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| 06:57.26 | mikkelb | the syntax is wrong apparently |
| 06:57.27 | jelly-home | neo^: xrandr, probably |
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| 06:58.34 | MystKid_ | mikkelb: LANG=en_EN.UTF-8 command may help us |
| 06:58.37 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 06:58.37 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
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| 06:59.01 | mikkelb | MystKid_: cool! |
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| 06:59.21 | mikkelb | Why does wget -m -A mp3 -nc -nH -nv http://www.somesite.com/somefolder produce: Can't timestamp and not clobber old files at the same time. |
| 06:59.59 | jelly-home | mikkelb: because what -m (as a compound option) and -nc do is not compatible |
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| 07:00.06 | cantido | mikkelb: changing the timestamp would change the files |
| 07:00.16 | mikkelb | cool |
| 07:00.32 | mikkelb | wouldn't i need -m though to download all the mp3 files in that folder? |
| 07:00.44 | jelly-home | mikkelb: in particular, "-m [...] currently equivalent to -r -N -l inf --no-remove-listing" but then "-nc may not be specified at the same time as -N" |
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| 07:01.35 | mikkelb | jelly-home: thank you so much man |
| 07:02.07 | jelly-home | I'd use -r -lXXX explicitely and often you'd want -np with those |
| 07:02.53 | qdb | hello . http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian/pool/main/a/apr/libapr1_1.4.2-6+squeeze3_i386.deb s not in repos ... (this is debian in vds..) http://paste2.org/p/2050578 |
| 07:03.12 | neo^ | jelly-home: thanks, `xrandr -s 1600x900` worked. |
| 07:03.32 | jelly-home | ,versions libapr1 |
| 07:03.33 | judd | Package: libapr1 on i386 -- lenny-security: 1.2.12-5+lenny4; lenny: 1.2.12-5+lenny5; lenny-backports: 1.4.2-3~bpo50+2; squeeze-security: 1.4.2-6+squeeze2; squeeze: 1.4.2-6+squeeze4; sid: 1.4.6-3; wheezy: 1.4.6-3 |
| 07:03.40 | Bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.14 | cantido | Bartzy: top shows it |
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| 07:04.35 | jelly-home | qdb: redo an apt-get or aptitude update, and please use C locale when showing errors |
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| 07:04.51 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell qdb -about localized errors |
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| 07:06.48 | qdb | jelly-home, can i temporarily use other locale ? and i think you should read this russian text ))) |
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| 07:07.26 | qdb | i would read in any language since there are file names in english )) |
| 07:07.38 | pacci | !list |
| 07:07.39 | dpkg | pacci: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 07:07.47 | jelly-home | pacci: NO WAREZ IN HERE |
| 07:08.02 | mjt | ,versions libapr1 |
| 07:08.03 | judd | Package: libapr1 on i386 -- lenny-security: 1.2.12-5+lenny4; lenny: 1.2.12-5+lenny5; lenny-backports: 1.4.2-3~bpo50+2; squeeze-security: 1.4.2-6+squeeze2; squeeze: 1.4.2-6+squeeze4; sid: 1.4.6-3; wheezy: 1.4.6-3 |
| 07:08.04 | mikkelb | jelly-home: thanks again |
| 07:08.07 | mikkelb | really appreciate the help |
| 07:08.07 | qdb | jelly-home, thank you |
| 07:08.17 | jelly-home | qdb: did you get the message from dpkg |
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| 07:08.34 | qdb | jelly-home, yes i see .. |
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| 07:08.59 | jelly-home | that ought to clear up after an update anyway, unless your mirror is out of date |
| 07:09.08 | mjt | i wonder how long ago qdb did update... |
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| 07:10.10 | qdb | mjt, this is almost freshly installed vds ... |
| 07:10.32 | cantido | qdb: the image your isp supplies might have been created ages ago |
| 07:10.39 | qdb | yes |
| 07:10.56 | qdb | i forgot to upgrade... |
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| 07:11.59 | jelly-home | update. |
| 07:12.06 | qdb | now it works |
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| 07:12.10 | qdb | thank you |
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| 07:14.41 | MystKid_ | KsM: do i also need to remove orphaned ackages/deps^ |
| 07:14.42 | MystKid_ | ? |
| 07:14.50 | echo083 | how to disable apt expiration ? |
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| 07:15.40 | echo083 | (if someone answer me please append my nickname to your message) |
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| 07:19.11 | jelly-home | echo083: what do you mean by apt expiration? |
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| 07:19.45 | Iridos | that's not an answer and you prepended, not appended! |
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| 07:20.58 | echo083 | jelly-home, i'm using a ppa repository and when updating from this repository after few days it says "the release file has expired" |
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| 07:21.21 | echo083 | jelly, "not available since 8d 11h 31min" |
| 07:21.22 | cantido | debian has ppa archives? |
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| 07:21.37 | Iridos | no |
| 07:21.39 | cantido | s/archives/repos/ |
| 07:21.46 | echo083 | cantido, don't know if it is debian dedicated i use them that's all |
| 07:21.58 | cantido | echo083: so this is an ubuntu question? |
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| 07:22.36 | echo083 | cantido, no apt question i need to disable expiration |
| 07:22.55 | echo083 | cantido, i've seen something in the documentation but i don't understand |
| 07:22.57 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.22 | echo083 | cantido, in THE ACQUIRE GROUP there is Check-Valid-Until and Max-ValidTime |
| 07:23.26 | cantido | Iridos: is that screaming or pulling your hair out? |
| 07:23.47 | cantido | has no idea if apt in debian even supports whatever ppa's are |
| 07:23.48 | MystKid_ | how can i execute a command as a certain user every 5-10 min |
| 07:23.53 | Iridos | cantido, take your pick |
| 07:23.54 | cantido | MystKid_: cron |
| 07:25.32 | MystKid_ | cantido id have to execute a script..how should i do it |
| 07:25.44 | daniel-s | hello |
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| 07:25.56 | Iridos | cantido, you can use ppas in Debian... but they usually depend on buntu packages, so buntu/debian package names must match |
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| 07:26.12 | daniel-s | how big a problem is secure boot for linux on the desktop? I have read that it's an option that can just be turned off. |
| 07:26.22 | jelly-home | echo083: this means the owner of the repo doesn't take care of it. apt.conf(5) suggests a Valid-Until header on the repo side can't be overridden |
| 07:26.23 | Iridos | and the stuff about mixing distributions probably applies |
| 07:26.42 | cantido | Iridos: sounds like a bad idea |
| 07:26.50 | jelly-home | echo083: at least that's my reading of Max-ValidTime, completely untested |
| 07:27.00 | echo083 | jelly-home, so it must be corrected of the repository side ? |
| 07:27.03 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 07:27.25 | echo083 | jelly-home, but these parameters where should i supposed to put them ? |
| 07:27.35 | cantido | daniel-s: are there any machines with secure boot implemented? |
| 07:27.54 | jelly-home | echo083: they're options for /etc/apt/apt.conf (or a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/) |
| 07:27.54 | Iridos | cantido, but I don't see why there shouldn't debian-specific ppas as well if someone makes/offers one |
| 07:28.06 | cantido | daniel-s: macs have a sort of secure boot thing (the bootloader needs to be "blessed")... ain't stopped anyone running linux yet |
| 07:28.06 | echo083 | jelly-home, on this page someone says it is possible to disable of the client check the documentation http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670141 |
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| 07:28.15 | daniel-s | I just read on zdnet that for a computer to be certified compatible with windows 8 it needs to implement secure boot |
| 07:28.22 | daniel-s | cantido: ^ |
| 07:28.32 | echo083 | jelly-home, ok so i'll try to add them directly in apt.conf |
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| 07:29.13 | cantido | Iridos: mmm I don't really need much software that is outside of debian tbh. I would have thought using ppa's at all would point to actually using ubuntu.. but maybe not |
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| 07:30.07 | cantido | daniel-s: windows 8 isn't out yet.. so no one knows whats going to happen. If your vendor won't allow you to boot whatever you want it won't be long until their keys are floating around on the interwebs |
| 07:30.25 | Iridos | well, I'd agree that it points that way in general :) or mixing |
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| 07:30.53 | jelly-home | cantido: ppa binary packages are indeed build for, and on, ubuntu. Source packages might be more amenable to usage on other dpkg-based distros |
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| 07:30.56 | MystKid_ | how do i setup the default shell to /bin/bash... each time i login a user i got /bin/sh.. edit manually passwd? |
| 07:31.01 | cantido | Iridos: mmm which one would you want to confess to on #debian :p |
| 07:31.05 | caraconan | Good morning. I'm looking for a Software Load Balancing solution. LVS looks outdated to me. I'm right? Any other alternatives? |
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| 07:32.44 | cantido | daniel-s: I personally wouldn't mind having a signed boot chain.. it might end in people bricking their systems and not being able to boot any recovery system though |
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| 07:33.33 | jelly-home | MystKid_: chsh |
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| 07:34.44 | Iridos | MystKid_, read "man crontab" and "man 5 crontab" and run "crontab -e" then add whatever script and the appropriate times |
| 07:35.03 | Iridos | heh, that was for the last question |
| 07:35.17 | Iridos | is he asking a random basic question every couple of minutes or am I just tired |
| 07:35.34 | MystKid_ | Iridos: rofl |
| 07:36.40 | cantido | would give MystKid_ a debian book if an up-to-date one existed.. |
| 07:36.48 | Iridos | it does! |
| 07:36.49 | MystKid_ | lolz |
| 07:36.51 | jelly-home | hahah |
| 07:37.01 | cantido | Iridos: really? you mean the debian manual? |
| 07:37.04 | MystKid_ | giv me cookies |
| 07:37.10 | MystKid_ | actually plumcakes |
| 07:37.15 | jelly-home | !handbook |
| 07:37.16 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. It can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package (only in sid; in wheezy soon). Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 07:37.25 | Iridos | ha, there's a factoid |
| 07:37.31 | jelly-home | of course there is! |
| 07:37.39 | babilen | MystKid_: Take a look at "man 1 chsh" |
| 07:37.42 | cantido | meant the made out of trees type ;) |
| 07:37.45 | Iridos | did I mention I didn't even have a coffee yet? |
| 07:37.59 | nevyn | cantido: the handbook is availible in dead tree |
| 07:38.01 | jelly-home | cantido: very valiant of you to want to buy a $50 print and give to MystKid_ |
| 07:38.20 | Iridos | cantido, http://debian-handbook.info/get/ feel free! |
| 07:39.03 | cantido | mmm I wouldn't buy it.. but I might request it at the library so that they buy it ;) |
| 07:39.45 | neo^ | suggest your favorite games that'll appeal to windoze users |
| 07:40.02 | Iridos | russian roulette |
| 07:40.07 | Iridos | !next |
| 07:40.07 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 07:41.21 | neo^ | is setting up a Debian system for his new-to-linux friend |
| 07:41.30 | jelly-home | cantido: you said "give"! |
| 07:41.38 | jelly-home | has if on file |
| 07:41.41 | jelly-home | it* |
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| 07:44.43 | cantido | jelly-home: if I steal from the library and give it to him.. its still giving ;) |
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| 07:45.14 | cantido | all the in bookshop debian books cover sarge at best :/ |
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| 07:47.43 | jelly-home | I just bought two. |
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| 07:48.08 | cantido | of the print or other books? |
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| 07:48.35 | jelly-home | of the more logical. |
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| 07:49.38 | cantido | well you could have bought two of the print to wedge under stuff |
| 07:50.01 | cantido | "designer laptop and desk airflow spacer" |
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| 08:44.46 | ksuhku | what's the difference between a copy and a hard link? |
| 08:45.46 | ksuhku | cp has a parameter to do a hard link instead so probably there is a difference |
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| 08:46.25 | Coweater | a hard link references the same data on disk, (data only goes away when all hard links are deleted), a copy is independent (new hard link to new data) |
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| 08:47.17 | ksuhku | so now difference until you change or remove file in question? |
| 08:47.25 | ksuhku | *no |
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| 09:14.01 | fasta | How can I test whether or not I am in a chroot? |
| 09:14.45 | fasta | A properly designed chroot would make this impossible, imho, but well, not everything is designed properly. |
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| 09:15.17 | angs | what is the default password of the debian in ssh connection? I tried root@root/admin/linaro/debian |
| 09:15.22 | angs | but it did not work |
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| 09:17.18 | gnarface | angs: if you didn't chose one at install time there may not *be* one... |
| 09:17.57 | angs | I installed the debian by following the instruction on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian |
| 09:18.12 | angs | it says debian@temppwd but it does not work |
| 09:18.23 | tremon | angs: there is no default the debian password, ask the ones who created those instructions |
| 09:18.29 | angs | I also tried blank password. but it did not work |
| 09:18.42 | angs | is there any easy way to crack the password? |
| 09:18.50 | tremon | no |
| 09:19.32 | tremon | have you read the section "Help" on the page you linked? |
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| 09:20.08 | Iridos | he he |
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| 09:23.53 | angs | I connected to the board through the usb to serial. how can I change the ssh username and password? |
| 09:24.28 | Iridos | if you get to give kernel options to the bootloader... |
| 09:24.31 | Iridos | dpkg, ifrp |
| 09:24.32 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 09:24.56 | Iridos | and if the bootloader is grub :P |
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| 09:27.51 | themill | fasta: naming it in /etc/debian_chroot is customary. |
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| 09:28.09 | themill | fasta: failing that, [ "$(stat -c %d/%i /)" = "$(stat -Lc %d/%i /proc/1/root 2>/dev/null)" ] |
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| 09:35.19 | fasta | themill: I don't think there is a solution which always works, but for self-created chroots, I think your first suggestion is the best. |
| 09:35.38 | themill | the latter wfm |
| 09:35.56 | fasta | themill: sure, but not for certain other file systems. |
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| 09:36.16 | themill | *shrug* |
| 09:36.16 | solar4x | hey guys |
| 09:36.47 | solar4x | i'm getting igb failed restart service message and network stops |
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| 09:37.04 | solar4x | i can get network back only if i restart the machine |
| 09:37.05 | Tumulte | Hi ! |
| 09:37.36 | solar4x | igb reset adapter |
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| 09:37.51 | Tumulte | (please don't jump on me, I feel lame enough already) : I've changed the /etc/sudoer rights |
| 09:38.12 | Tumulte | sudo don't work and I don't have a root to repair it |
| 09:38.13 | tremon | jumps and misses |
| 09:38.36 | Tumulte | tremon: can be a very good song's name |
| 09:38.55 | tremon | what's the error message? |
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| 09:39.17 | Tumulte | sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0600, should be 0440 |
| 09:39.44 | Tumulte | I knew about visudo... |
| 09:39.59 | Tumulte | that's the worst |
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| 09:40.32 | tremon | you don't have root or a root session open, and root's password is disabled? |
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| 09:41.16 | tremon | then reboot into rescue mode and chmod from there |
| 09:41.21 | Tumulte | tremon: It's a server that's been used by too many people over time... the root PW is long lost |
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| 09:41.48 | tremon | can't fix it without reboot, unless you want to go looking for a local root exploit |
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| 09:42.39 | Tumulte | ok... we will do that then |
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| 09:43.03 | Tumulte | many thanks tremon it helps a lot |
| 09:43.04 | Tumulte | :) |
| 09:43.36 | drecute | ok. Ubuntu won't start after I make updates. It's dropping to initramfs. I used gparted and ran fsck. no luck yet. I troed to mount / and I got this: http://codepad.org/SVxMDnSc |
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| 09:43.44 | tremon | if root's password isn't disabled, going into rescue mode won't help you... sulogin will only auto-login if there is no root password, not if it's set but lost |
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| 09:44.22 | boudiccas | drecute: yoiu use ubuntu we're not interested, good bye |
| 09:44.35 | Tumulte | tremon: is there a way to chack that? |
| 09:44.41 | tremon | you need init=/bin/bash to work around a lost root password |
| 09:44.44 | drecute | boudiccas: why aint you interested |
| 09:44.59 | ksuhku | !ubuntu |
| 09:45.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 09:45.01 | boudiccas | drecute: because we only support debian here |
| 09:45.25 | tremon | Tumulte: yes, see my previous comment. You need to edit the kernel command line from within the bootloader |
| 09:45.29 | drecute | boudiccas: but you don't have ubuntu desktop |
| 09:45.40 | drecute | debian desktop i meant |
| 09:45.48 | drecute | boudiccas: isn't that crude |
| 09:46.15 | drecute | boudiccas: u guys drive ubuntu engine isn't it? |
| 09:46.43 | tremon | drecute: no, ubuntu drives itself |
| 09:47.41 | drecute | ok. my apologies |
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| 09:50.40 | catmando | does anyone know how to increase dovecot's logging level? |
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| 09:53.10 | tremon | catmando: 10-logging.conf? |
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| 09:53.57 | Tumulte | drecute: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Debian_family_tree_11-06.png |
| 09:54.47 | vvompy | hi, I am trying to get my rasp-pi with debian and a wifi dongle to run. I followed this routine, but I get the error message "8192cu: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout"..does somebody know how to interpret that? http://www.ctrl-alt-del.cc/2012/05/raspberry-pi-meets-edimax-ew-7811un-wireless-ada.html |
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| 10:02.22 | markitoxs | When I create a new LVM volume (totally new pg, new vg and new lv ) on a drive, and then subsequently remove the drive from the system, everytime i make any lvm related command, ti tries to access the missing drive, stating that cant find the drive with UUID xxx, anyone knows how to get rid of these old references? |
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| 10:03.24 | Almtesh | Hi everybody! |
| 10:03.50 | Almtesh | I'm using debian squeeze from network. |
| 10:04.09 | Almtesh | Anybody knows how to get down, then up a network interface in the initramfs? |
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| 10:07.29 | ChrisH | markitoxs: You created a new VG onto an afterwards removed PV? |
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| 10:08.34 | pratz | hey guys how can i disable beep sound in xterm ? |
| 10:08.46 | gmarkall | pratz: xset b off |
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| 10:09.04 | Almtesh | pratz, try sudo modprobe -rv pcspkr |
| 10:09.05 | markitoxs | ChrisH, yeah, connected drive to system, created the PV, created VG, and then removed the drive, |
| 10:09.18 | solar4x | Almtesh: are you trying to build a debug machine ? |
| 10:09.28 | pratz | gmarkall: tried that one dude, but still the sound exists |
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| 10:09.49 | Almtesh | solar4x, no, I have a network interface that need to be restarted to work correctlly. |
| 10:09.55 | gmarkall | pratz: hopefully Almtesh's solution works better :-) |
| 10:10.00 | ChrisH | markitoxs: uncool to impolite :)... Youy should at least have vgexport the VG before removing the PV. |
| 10:10.03 | Almtesh | solar4x, I can't change the network interface. |
| 10:10.35 | solar4x | so you only need set network device & and brind it up ? |
| 10:10.37 | ChrisH | markitoxs: vgchange -an VGxy ; vgexport VGxy |
| 10:10.39 | Almtesh | Yes. |
| 10:10.42 | pratz | Almtesh: still exits |
| 10:10.51 | pratz | *exists |
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| 10:11.05 | solar4x | are you tried /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth* to edit ? |
| 10:11.15 | markitoxs | ChrisH, would that work even if the drive is no longer present? |
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| 10:11.28 | pratz | Almtesh: output if sudo modprobe -rv pcspkr - rmmod /lib/modules/2.6.32-40-generic/kernel/drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.ko |
| 10:11.29 | Almtesh | solar4x, no such file or directory. |
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| 10:11.47 | Almtesh | pratz, yes, you still got the beeps ? |
| 10:11.47 | pratz | Almtesh: but still the beep sound is there |
| 10:11.56 | pratz | Almtesh: yes |
| 10:12.03 | Almtesh | OK, try to mute beep in alsamixer. |
| 10:12.16 | pratz | Almtesh: how to do that ? |
| 10:12.18 | Almtesh | ↑↑ for pratz |
| 10:12.27 | Almtesh | pratz, start alsamixer. |
| 10:12.37 | solar4x | Almtesh: is directory not found or eht* not found ? |
| 10:12.49 | solar4x | cd /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ |
| 10:12.52 | pratz | Almtesh: what is the command to start it ? |
| 10:13.06 | markitoxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.07 | pratz | Almtesh: ok got it |
| 10:13.14 | markitoxs | Cool., that should do it, thanks ChrisH |
| 10:13.15 | pratz | Almtesh: now, in which section ? |
| 10:13.36 | Almtesh | pratz, you may have one called "beep" or something like that. |
| 10:13.51 | markitoxs | ChrisH, spoke too soon,volume not found :) |
| 10:13.53 | ChrisH | markitoxs: I do not expect it to work without the disk beeing accessible. Do you have more VGs? |
| 10:14.01 | markitoxs | I do have indeed one |
| 10:14.04 | Almtesh | solar4x, I have eth0, but not the file you wanted me to use. |
| 10:14.05 | markitoxs | a "live" one |
| 10:14.11 | pratz | Almtesh: beep is 0<>0 in alsamixer |
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| 10:14.31 | Almtesh | pratz, mute it to by pressing M. |
| 10:14.40 | solar4x | then use nano /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/eth0 |
| 10:14.40 | Almtesh | And quit with escape. |
| 10:14.53 | solar4x | ifcfg-eth0 |
| 10:15.12 | Almtesh | solar4x, I'm in a initramfs. |
| 10:15.28 | Almtesh | solar4x, I don't have any /etc/sysconfig directory. |
| 10:15.35 | solar4x | so you are debugging your os |
| 10:15.44 | Almtesh | solar4x, and I don't think debian got this. |
| 10:15.56 | solar4x | every linux has |
| 10:16.21 | solar4x | but in initramfs you are debugging your os ( imho ) |
| 10:16.26 | Almtesh | solar4x, every linux, exept debian, ubuntu, arch… |
| 10:16.35 | markitoxs | ChrisH, yeah, the "live" one, where the system is running |
| 10:16.38 | solar4x | No they have to |
| 10:17.31 | solar4x | in debian /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:17.42 | pratz | Almtesh: it was 'MM' when i pressed M it because '00' |
| 10:17.52 | pratz | Almtesh: but still the beep sound is there |
| 10:18.26 | Almtesh | solar4x, I don't have this neither. |
| 10:18.37 | Almtesh | solar4x, it's still a initramfs. |
| 10:18.50 | Almtesh | pratz, are you on a laptop. |
| 10:19.08 | pratz | Almtesh: no , desktop |
| 10:19.20 | ChrisH | markitoxs: below /etc/lvm there are information on existing VG... It might be worth having a loook there. What kind of system is it? I am not sure about Linux here, but all the stuff below /etc/lvm _should_ be recreated duing boot. On an important server I would not do that withoput testing on a VM :) |
| 10:19.35 | pratz | Almtesh: hold on i will try to restart xterm |
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| 10:20.07 | Almtesh | pratz, if you can open your box, unconnect the pc speaker. |
| 10:20.07 | pratz | Almtesh: still the beep sound is there |
| 10:20.13 | babilen | !tell pratz -about bell |
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| 10:20.48 | Almtesh | !tell Almtesh -about bell |
| 10:20.50 | babilen | pratz: Also "xterm*visualBell: false" in ~/.Xresources |
| 10:20.55 | babilen | !tell Almtesh -about selftell |
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| 10:21.32 | Almtesh | babilen, sorry, I wanted to know too. |
| 10:21.41 | markitoxs | ChrisH, it is a linux webser with quite a high uptime, its not a critical error, rather an annoyance, but will have a look |
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| 10:22.11 | markitoxs | i totally did forget to do the vgexport |
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| 10:22.36 | markitoxs | thats the best way to learn |
| 10:22.39 | markitoxs | i guess.. |
| 10:22.52 | pratz | babilen: sorry but beep sound still there |
| 10:23.01 | ChrisH | markitoxs: even with fiddeling with the /etc/lvm files, I assume you need a reboot to get the kernel to forget about the VG |
| 10:23.08 | pratz | babilen: do i need to restart machine ? |
| 10:23.40 | Almtesh | babilen, OK, I didn't know dpkg could answer to private messages. The Ubuntu channel's bot answer random messages. |
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| 10:24.42 | markitoxs | ChrisH, yeah, i thought so as well. That will teach me, thanks for your help! |
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| 10:25.43 | pratz | Almtesh: should i restart computer and see |
| 10:26.23 | babilen | pratz: You ran "xset b off" and "setterm -blength 0", blacklisted the pcspkr module and removed the module, silenced the pc speaker in alsamixer (if there), added the line I mentioned above to ~/.Xresources and ran "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" and restarted xterm and you *still* get the beep? |
| 10:27.00 | babilen | Almtesh: dpkg answers to private queries such as "/msg dpkg bell" |
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| 10:28.32 | pratz | babilen: still the sound exists |
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| 10:28.41 | pratz | babilen: it is really frustating |
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| 10:29.12 | babilen | pratz: You've done *all* that? |
| 10:29.29 | pratz | babilen: yes |
| 10:29.57 | babilen | pratz: Did you add "set bell-style none" to ~/.inputrc ? |
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| 10:30.41 | pratz | babilen: i do not have that file, should i create one ? |
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| 10:31.24 | pratz | babilen: now restart xterm ? |
| 10:31.26 | babilen | pratz: Sure -- I would also recommend to restart the system so all these settings are working. (you've added it to ~/.bashrc too didn't you?) |
| 10:32.16 | pratz | babilen same line "set bell-style none" in .inputrc and .bashrc ? |
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| 10:33.20 | pratz | babilen: ok, done added to .bashrc also, now i will restart the computer |
| 10:34.12 | angs | I installed debian by netinstall to one of my boards. I did not install the kernel in the netinstall installation. what command do I need to use to check if the kernel is available or missing? |
| 10:34.21 | angs | uname -a? |
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| 10:36.03 | babilen | angs: You wouldn't be able to use the system without a kernel -- What is the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-'" ? Paste it to http://paste.debian.net please. |
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| 10:37.28 | angs | it did not give any output |
| 10:37.56 | angs | but uname -a shows Linux debian 3.2.18-psp13 #1 Thu May 31 22:15:23 UTC 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 10:39.12 | pratz | babilen: no the beep sound can be heard inside vim editor |
| 10:39.21 | pratz | babilen: what is going on, i have no idea |
| 10:39.43 | catmando | does anyone know where i can get additional dovecot modules for squeeze? |
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| 10:40.50 | petemc | catmando: what do you need? |
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| 10:41.00 | babilen | pratz: Could you paste the output of "lsmod" to http://paste.debian.net ? Did you ran "xset -b off" ? |
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| 10:41.29 | babilen | angs: That is a weird kernel -- Are you sure that you are running Debian? |
| 10:42.00 | catmando | petemc: the info module |
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| 10:42.42 | pratz | babilen: here dude http://paste.debian.net/173907/ |
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| 10:42.59 | pratz | babilen: yes i ran xset -b off |
| 10:43.14 | petemc | catmando: never heard of it, what does it do? |
| 10:43.28 | babilen | pratz: Hmm, can't really think of more that you can do :-/ |
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| 10:43.48 | petemc | catmando: in fact, im not aware that dovecot uses modules as such, things are set at compile time |
| 10:44.08 | petemc | perhaps my knowledge is out of date tho |
| 10:44.35 | angs | babilen: Yes, I am using debian, there are some outputs related with it http://pastebin.com/ifhtfep9 |
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| 10:44.58 | pratz | babilen: ok , but still if you remember any thing else please let me know |
| 10:45.00 | angs | could this board be the one that I need to load kernel? |
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| 10:45.54 | babilen | angs: Interesting. Could you show me the output of "dpkg --print-architecture" ? |
| 10:46.08 | angs | armel |
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| 10:46.47 | lost_eden | can I set up a samba share that can be accessed by 1 user but that user can be logged in from multiple machines at once? |
| 10:47.04 | petemc | it should work that way by default |
| 10:47.19 | lost_eden | right okay, I wasn't sure whether it enforced single connections per user by default |
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| 10:49.47 | babilen | angs: Hmm -- I wonder where the kernel you are running comes from. Note that I am not an armel guru, but you should have one of http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=armel&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image |
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| 10:52.14 | angs | babilen: I guess I used the image on http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone because username and psw are root@root. Less probability I used the instruction on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian |
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| 10:53.02 | angs | babilen: what package do you recommend me to install? I am new in debian |
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| 10:55.06 | _droid | hi people, i just installed debian and @ startup, right at the end of it I get the following output "Starting MTA:" and I have to wait for like a minute or 2. how can i avoid exim to start up? or at least that it doesn't take much time? |
| 10:55.41 | babilen | angs: Hmm, that looks like a distribution that is based on Debian. You might want to ask in #beagle and #debian-arm (irc.oftc.net) about Debian on your BeagleBoard. |
| 10:55.52 | angs | thank you |
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| 10:56.38 | babilen | angs: Also see http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort -- But please ask #debian-arm about *official* support for your hardware. |
| 10:56.54 | angs | babilen: thank you very much |
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| 10:57.52 | babilen | angs: Good luck :) |
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| 10:58.06 | angs | thanks :) |
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| 10:59.49 | _droid | hi people, i just installed debian and @ startup, right at the end of it I get the following output "Starting MTA:" and I have to wait for like a minute or 2. how can i avoid exim to start up? or at least that it doesn't take much time? |
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| 11:00.11 | klaphappy | If you've been CIRCUMCISED |
| 11:00.22 | klaphappy | you've been SEXUALLY MUTILATED. |
| 11:00.25 | boudiccas | droid we heard you the first time |
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| 11:01.10 | _droid | boudiccas: sry, didn't mean to but I got lots of little things that need to get solved and that is one of them |
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| 11:01.58 | themill | _droid: if you "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and tell it to minimise dns lookups, that can improve its start-up time in some circumstances. |
| 11:02.27 | g0dfrey | _droid: "update-rc.d -f exim4 remove" |
| 11:02.35 | _droid | themill: is there the possibility to remove it. |
| 11:02.41 | _droid | ah k ill try that |
| 11:02.42 | _droid | thx |
| 11:02.58 | _droid | and sry guys for being a little impatient |
| 11:03.12 | themill | _droid, g0dfrey: you want "disable" not "remove". |
| 11:03.37 | _droid | themill: y not? |
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| 11:03.42 | g0dfrey | themill: yes...disable only |
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| 11:04.27 | themill | _droid: because if you use remove, the next time you install an update to the exim packages, it will come back |
| 11:04.38 | _droid | ok |
| 11:05.04 | g0dfrey | themill,_droid: I don't think so... |
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| 11:05.40 | themill | g0dfrey: check "man update-rc.d" and read the paragraph starting "A common system administration error..." |
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| 11:05.54 | Ormie | I have serious problem here |
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| 11:05.57 | Ormie | Please help |
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| 11:06.30 | buckfast | hi. |
| 11:06.33 | babilen | Ormie: All problems we know about are now solved. If you have more: Please provide detailed information (e.g. on http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 11:06.39 | g0dfrey | themill: I install and remove the entries in rc*.d and do a update and it didn't come back... |
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| 11:06.52 | Ormie | Wait! |
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| 11:07.02 | buckfast | I have kubuntu on one of my hard disks, but no boot loader. can I use debian netinstall disc to install grub? |
| 11:07.04 | themill | g0dfrey: you upgraded the exim4 packages? from what version to what? |
| 11:07.04 | Ormie | How do I add my user name to sudoers |
| 11:07.09 | Ormie | ?? |
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| 11:07.11 | Ormie | how? |
| 11:07.16 | themill | Ormie: "adduser yourusername sudo" |
| 11:07.19 | g0dfrey | themill: postgres... |
| 11:07.30 | themill | g0dfrey: that's not an exim4 package, is it? |
| 11:07.33 | Ryccardo|XFCE | ormie: in pracice, yo'll want to add yourself to the sudo GROUP |
| 11:07.39 | g0dfrey | themill: Yes |
| 11:08.14 | Ryccardo|XFCE | if you really want to "add yourself to sudoers", put in the line "{yourusername} ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 11:08.28 | babilen | !tell Ormie about sudoers |
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| 11:09.13 | Ormie | thanks :D |
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| 11:09.42 | babilen | Ryccardo|XFCE: Which has the same effect as adding a user to the "sudo" group :) -- Per-user entries in /etc/sudoers only make sense if you aim for a more advanced/fine-grained sudo configuration IMHO |
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| 11:10.17 | babilen | buckfast: Maybe -- See "/msg dpkg fixmbr", but please ask #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 11:10.23 | Ryccardo|XFCE | babilen: I agree, I only have myself as a separate entry because i have NOPASSWD set |
| 11:12.26 | Ormie | !rTL8188CE |
| 11:12.27 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 11:13.18 | babilen | Ryccardo|XFCE: Which makes perfect sense (the entry that is) |
| 11:13.34 | Ryccardo|XFCE | ? |
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| 11:16.41 | babilen | Ormie: Please "/msg dpkg rtl8188CE" or ask a question. I don't quite understand what you are trying to tell us by invoking that factoid. |
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| 11:17.26 | Ormie | um.. just the information for myself |
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| 11:20.10 | Ormie | can someone help again |
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| 11:20.29 | babilen | Ormie: Just ask a question! |
| 11:20.29 | Ormie | iwconfig does not detect realtek device |
| 11:20.33 | Ormie | iwconfig does not detect realtek device |
| 11:20.46 | Ormie | i already install the firmware |
| 11:20.52 | Ormie | what to do? |
| 11:20.53 | babilen | Ormie: Did you reload the module? |
| 11:21.02 | Ormie | the module? |
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| 11:21.26 | Ryccardo|XFCE | `modprobe name-of-module` |
| 11:21.39 | Ormie | ? |
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| 11:21.54 | Ormie | modprobe wlan0 |
| 11:21.56 | Ormie | eh? |
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| 11:22.05 | Ryccardo|XFCE | unlikely |
| 11:22.15 | g0dfrey | Ormie: You may download the driver source from realtek's website and build a module |
| 11:22.19 | Ryccardo|XFCE | you have to use the name of the module, the driver |
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| 11:22.29 | babilen | Ormie: Please also try to use punctuation characters (e.g. , . ; : …) in lieu of the enter key. Mankind spent a long time to come up with a writing system that makes it easy to convey a specific meaning. Neglecting such essential information as punctuation is, in my humble opinion, a bad idea. |
| 11:22.29 | RLa | how to make useradd not fail when user already exists? |
| 11:22.37 | Ormie | ok |
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| 11:22.40 | dokma | how can I know that the kernel is using all the CPU cores??? |
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| 11:22.51 | Ormie | how? |
| 11:23.02 | dokma | I just rebooted into a new system that doesn't show 4 threads in top like the old one used to |
| 11:23.03 | Eising | Hi there. I'm working with a server for network performance testing, and I'm running into an old issue, reported mostly in 2009. It has to do with nano support in the kernel. This bug mentions it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552882 - but it has only a fix where NTP checks for kernel nano support. I need to enable kernel nano support, but I can't find anything on that. |
| 11:23.07 | RLa | dokma, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 11:23.28 | Ormie | g0dfrey, can you gimme steps |
| 11:23.31 | dokma | RLa: I've checked that and there I see 4 cores like in the old one |
| 11:23.36 | babilen | Ormie: Paste commands + output of "modprobe -r rtl8192ce ; modprobe rtl8192ce ; dmesg|tail -n23" "ifconfig -a" "iwconfig" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 11:23.59 | Eising | dokma: apt-get install sysstat; mpstat -P ALL |
| 11:24.12 | stew | g0dfrey: doesn't his kernel already have the module? |
| 11:24.28 | rieequest | Where can I find @INC to modify the paths when i get can't locate ApacheHandler.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl ...etc. ?? |
| 11:24.38 | babilen | dokma: What is the output of "nproc" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ? |
| 11:25.04 | Ormie | babilen, in root? |
| 11:25.04 | dokma | mpstat shows 4 cores |
| 11:25.09 | g0dfrey | stew: Kernel 3.0 should support well for realtek's cards,but not 2.6 |
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| 11:25.15 | dokma | nproc shows 4 |
| 11:25.39 | stew | judd: pciid 10ec:8176 |
| 11:25.40 | judd | [10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 11:25.46 | dokma | so it seems that top for some reason is not showing each core for itself |
| 11:25.50 | babilen | Ormie: Yes, you have to run a subset (or all) of those commands with superuser privileges. You can acquire them with, say, "sudo -i" if you are using sudo or by becoming root with "su". |
| 11:25.54 | dokma | is that something that needs to be switched on? |
| 11:26.02 | babilen | dokma: You have 4 cores in that case. |
| 11:26.16 | g0dfrey | Ormie: Download the driver source from official site and build the module according to the readme files |
| 11:26.16 | babilen | dokma: You might like "htop" |
| 11:26.17 | stew | dokma: hit '1' in top |
| 11:26.36 | dokma | stew: 1 does it! |
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| 11:27.09 | babilen | g0dfrey, Ormie: No! The standard kernel comes with a suitable module *and* there are *always* better options than manually compiling a kernel module from upstream sources. |
| 11:27.19 | dokma | I've been setting up a parallel debian that was running in a VM and transfering the stuff from old to the new system for the past 2 month |
| 11:27.29 | dokma | now I rebooted into the new system for the first time! |
| 11:27.40 | dokma | and all that on a dedicated remote machine |
| 11:27.53 | dokma | so I'm a bit nervous now |
| 11:28.06 | Ryccardo|XFCE | a dopppo |
| 11:28.42 | g0dfrey | babilen: It's true with wheezy |
| 11:28.59 | stew | g0dfrey: its true with squeeze |
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| 11:29.44 | g0dfrey | stew: It didn't work with my cards at least |
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| 11:29.53 | stew | g0dfrey: did you try a 3.2 kernel? |
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| 11:29.59 | sunru | yello |
| 11:30.01 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173915/ |
| 11:30.11 | sunru | apt-get install brain |
| 11:30.27 | g0dfrey | stew: Yes...Now i'm using wheezy which is nearly perfect... |
| 11:30.29 | boudiccas | sunru: troll! |
| 11:30.32 | babilen | Ormie: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? |
| 11:30.39 | rdz | hi all. is there a similar tool to partimage, but with ext4 support? |
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| 11:30.42 | babilen | sunru: Play elsewhere, thank you. |
| 11:30.53 | stew | g0dfrey: doesn't backports have the wheezy kernel? |
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| 11:31.28 | g0dfrey | stew: So why does it exist in backports? |
| 11:31.36 | stew | g0dfrey: why does what exist? |
| 11:31.53 | g0dfrey | stew: kernel 3.2 |
| 11:32.09 | Ormie | babilen, 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01) |
| 11:32.38 | stew | g0dfrey: i suppose mostly for people that want to run stable but have hardware that is too new to be supported by the stable kernel |
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| 11:34.04 | babilen | Ormie: You need to install a newer kernel from backports for that device. Please read "/msg dpkg bdo" and follow "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" to install it. Note that you have to install firmware from backports as well (i.e. firmware-realtek). |
| 11:34.22 | Ormie | ok |
| 11:34.27 | Ormie | is there a risk? |
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| 11:34.48 | Ormie | i am new to debian, please make it simple |
| 11:35.13 | babilen | Ormie: Therefore make sure that your backports line ends in "main contrib non-free" and run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek" -- If you have other firmware packages installed make sure to upgrade them to the version in backports as well. (list them with, for example, "aptitude search '~i~nfirmware'") |
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| 11:35.35 | Ormie | ok |
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| 11:36.19 | babilen | Ormie: Just ask if you are unsure about one of the steps and want us to take a look. You could, for example, paste your sources.list and the output of all commands to http://paste.debian.net if you want us to check what you are doing. |
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| 11:37.14 | Ormie | babilen, dpkg explains too advanced. |
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| 11:37.47 | Ormie | i want him to give steps instead of ands |
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| 11:39.02 | babilen | Ormie: Follow http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ and add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update" -- Install a new kernel and the firmware-realtek package with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,`" -- Show me output of those commands if you run into problems. |
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| 11:40.12 | babilen | Ormie: Also read those factoids again and refer to http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html if you need additional documentation (and other chapters) |
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| 11:47.06 | Ormie | babilen, what command do i use to install new kernel? |
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| 11:48.41 | Ormie | help |
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| 11:50.19 | stew | Ormie: what does dpkg --print-architecture |
| 11:50.22 | stew | return |
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| 11:51.00 | buckfast | Hey. I used UNetbootin to create a bootable debian stable netinstall USB stick, but my computer won't boot from it, although it supports USB booting |
| 11:51.14 | buckfast | Mobo is gigabyte ga p35 ds3r |
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| 11:51.30 | buckfast | formatted the usb with fat32 beofer using unetbootin |
| 11:51.32 | stew | buckfast: don't bother with unetbootin, just copy the iso directly to the usb stick. the iso images are hybrid images which are bootable |
| 11:52.00 | Ormie | stew, amd64 |
| 11:52.13 | stew | Ormie: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:52.29 | stew | buckfast: is there anything on the stick that you need to save? or can it all be blown away? |
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| 11:52.55 | buckfast | stew: nothing needs to be saved |
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| 11:53.19 | buckfast | stew: although I wonder whether it was the usb stick's fault or the bios |
| 11:53.32 | stew | buckfast: my guess would be unetbootin's fault |
| 11:53.46 | stew | buckfast: do you know *for sure* what device the stick is? /dev/sdc or /dev/whatever? |
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| 11:54.08 | buckfast | stew: G: :-) |
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| 11:54.50 | buckfast | stew: I'll just copy the debian iso then |
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| 11:55.46 | stew | buckfast: i have no idea how to do this in non linux. in linux the command would be "cp foo.iso /dev/sdg" for example. the important thing that you copy the iso directly to the drive, not to a partition like /dev/sdg1, not to a filesystem like fat32 contained on the stick... |
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| 11:56.04 | stew | when I used windows a dozen years ago, you would use something like rawrwite32? |
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| 11:57.50 | buckfast | stew: well it needs to have a file system :S |
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| 11:58.27 | stew | buckfast: the .iso contains one |
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| 11:59.17 | g0dfrey | buckfast: You can't boot from your usb device or you get errors when booting from it? |
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| 11:59.59 | buckfast | g0dfrey: does't boot from usb at all |
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| 12:01.10 | buckfast | stew: I have a virtual debian machine, maybe I might be able to do it there |
| 12:01.25 | g0dfrey | buckfast: And you can't find the usb device in the list when trying to select the boot device? |
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| 12:02.17 | buckfast | g0dfrey: I see 3 usb options in the boot menu: usb-fdd, usb-zip, usb-hdd. Although I think the bootable usb should show up under hard drives, which it doesnt |
| 12:02.22 | pratz | hey guys how can i run the root command with a normal user if i have root password |
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| 12:02.34 | g0dfrey | buckfast: usb-hdd |
| 12:02.35 | pratz | similar to "sudo" in ubuntu |
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| 12:03.03 | iquestu | Hello |
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| 12:03.28 | pratz | similar to "sudo" in ubuntu ??? |
| 12:03.34 | buckfast | g0dfrey: I tryed that |
| 12:03.41 | buckfast | g0dfrey: nothing happened |
| 12:03.52 | g0dfrey | buckfast: If you use unetbootin to build the bootable usb and you should select usb-hdd...in my experience... |
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| 12:04.24 | stew | pratz: you would use "su" not "sudo". "sudo" would be using your own password, not root |
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| 12:04.35 | g0dfrey | buckfast: Any error message? It should tell you something |
| 12:04.37 | pratz | stew: correct but how ? |
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| 12:04.39 | michyubuntu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.40 | michyubuntu | <buckfast> : << Just do # dd if=*debian.iso of=/dev/sd* , or cat *.iso > /dev/sd*. |
| 12:04.40 | michyubuntu | yes |
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| 12:04.40 | michyubuntu | maybe add bs=.. # dd if= * of=/dev/sd* bs=8192 |
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| 12:04.53 | pratz | stew: with normal user 'su apt-get install xzy' |
| 12:04.56 | buckfast | g0dfrey: no error messages, boots to windows instead |
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| 12:05.15 | iquestu | i need to make incremental backups of my debian home folder to a remote debian server, whats your recommendations and any software i should stay away from? |
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| 12:05.28 | g0dfrey | Then it should be the poblem with unetbootin |
| 12:05.30 | pratz | stew: how do i install in online with normal user ( i have root password ) |
| 12:05.40 | g0dfrey | buckfast: Then it should be the poblem with unetbootin |
| 12:05.40 | Ormie | !tell Ormie about RTL8188CE |
| 12:06.00 | stew | buckfast: here is a tool recommended for writing the iso directly to the usb key: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/ |
| 12:06.14 | trysten | what the heck is DRDY ERR |
| 12:06.23 | trysten | and why can't i find specifics on the interwebs |
| 12:06.32 | stew | trysten: drive not ready |
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| 12:07.05 | trysten | ahh, DriveReaDY |
| 12:07.07 | trysten | thanks, stew |
| 12:07.16 | babilen | Ormie: I told you *everyhting* you need to do. Did you reboot into the new kernel already? |
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| 12:07.41 | pratz | how can i run root cmd with normal user ( i have root password ) ?? |
| 12:07.46 | Ormie | babilen, done |
| 12:07.50 | stew | pratz: use su |
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| 12:08.36 | pratz | stew: but su takes me to root account, i want to be in normal usr account and run root cmd's , possible ? |
| 12:08.56 | stew | pratz: use su -c |
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| 12:09.27 | Ormie | babilen, where is my iwconfig and ifconfig, there are gone! |
| 12:09.31 | stew | pratz: or use su to setup sudo |
| 12:09.44 | stew | pratz: sudo typically doens't use roots password, you would use your own (if any) |
| 12:09.56 | babilen | Ormie: Ok, please show me the output of "uname -a", "modprobe -r rtl8192ce ; modprobe rtl8192ce ; dmesg|tail -n30", "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig", "aptitude versions '~i~nfirmware'" and finally "aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-'" |
| 12:09.58 | stew | Ormie: in /sbin |
| 12:10.00 | pratz | stew: su -c does not work |
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| 12:10.12 | stew | pratz: sure it does |
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| 12:10.22 | michyubuntu | su -c "some commands" |
| 12:10.28 | pratz | stew: su -c apt-get install xyz , does not work |
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| 12:10.51 | Ormie | babilen, and i also have problem copying texts to terminal |
| 12:10.51 | stew | pratz: the command needs to be all one argument, so put that into quotes |
| 12:11.13 | pratz | stew: su -c 'apt-get install xyz', like this |
| 12:11.37 | pratz | stew: cool that works |
| 12:11.51 | babilen | Ormie: Please elaborate. You should be able to select it and then paste it with a middle mouse button click. |
| 12:12.02 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:12.04 | buckfast | stew: thank you, it works. that tool did the trick :-) |
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| 12:12.58 | trysten | speaking of tools, does anyone know of a way to install debian inside debian? i've tried qemu in the past, it was a hastle |
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| 12:13.23 | trysten | hassle |
| 12:13.26 | trysten | hoff |
| 12:13.27 | nkuttler | trysten: virtualbox works for me |
| 12:13.37 | trysten | ok, i'll use a VM. |
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| 12:13.51 | nkuttler | or do you want debootstrap? |
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| 12:14.39 | stew | trysten: have a look virt-manager, which can manage images for lots of virtualiztion stuff like qemu, kvm, xen, virtualbox, etc |
| 12:14.46 | trysten | actually, that looks great |
| 12:15.05 | babilen | virt-manager + kvm = w00t :) |
| 12:15.08 | trysten | virt-manager? i've only ever used qemu, installing virtualbox now |
| 12:15.37 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173920/ |
| 12:15.55 | trysten | woah virt-manager is really cool |
| 12:16.16 | trysten | i'm sure i'll use it in the future, but debbootstrap seems to be what i want. does it install apt and other essentials? |
| 12:16.23 | trysten | by install, i guess i mean unpack |
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| 12:16.38 | cantido | trysten: it install the base system.. which includes apt |
| 12:16.45 | trysten | awesome, thanks guys. |
| 12:16.50 | cantido | would be pretty useless if it didn't ;p |
| 12:17.10 | trysten | agreed! has anyone used cdebootstrap? i can't tell the difference |
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| 12:17.54 | babilen | Ormie: Ok. You have to run those commands as root ("sudo -i") and you forgot to install firmware-realtek from backports. Please run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek" and repeat *all* commands again as root. (no need for sudo then) |
| 12:18.00 | cantido | trysten: IIRC the decription says its just debootstrap rewritten in c.. I think I had to use it once to bootstrap a mips userland on x86 because the normal debootstrap didn't work |
| 12:18.16 | cantido | trysten: but I did arm on x86 recently with normal deboostrap |
| 12:18.51 | Ormie | babilen, firmware-realtek is already the newest version. |
| 12:19.21 | babilen | Ormie: No, it is not. Please show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-realtek" |
| 12:19.36 | trysten | nice! out of curiosity, what was your arm target? i've been cross compiling stuff for an arm tablet recently, but pure debian would be really cool. |
| 12:19.36 | babilen | Ormie: (and your /etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 12:19.49 | Ormie | ok |
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| 12:20.17 | cantido | trysten: picosam .. its a tiny atmel arm board.. goes for $60 without lcd IIRC |
| 12:20.19 | pratz | any .deb package will work for debian even if it is labeled for as ubuntu ? |
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| 12:20.42 | cantido | pratz: it might install.. it might not |
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| 12:20.55 | pratz | cantido: hmmm |
| 12:20.58 | cantido | pratz: but don't install random .deb files. That's a bad idea |
| 12:21.21 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173922/ |
| 12:21.24 | pratz | cantido: ok |
| 12:21.50 | babilen | pratz: Do *not* install random packages from the internet. In particular no packages that are not explicitly made for Debian as you *will* break your system by doing so. What are you trying to achieve? What do you want to install? |
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| 12:23.43 | pratz | babilen: just few hrs back you were involed in trying to solve the beep sound, i was facing the problem in ubunut 12.04 |
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| 12:24.15 | pratz | babilen: and also i faced frequent problems with ubuntu 12.04 |
| 12:24.25 | pratz | babilen: so, i guess it is time to move to debian |
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| 12:24.34 | TadekMocarz | ANYBODY THJERE |
| 12:24.42 | babilen | Ormie: Thank you. I mentioned earlier that you have to enable <contrib> and <non-free> for backports as well. I would recommend to use a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/173926/ (note that "contrib non-free" at the end, the removal of the us mirror and CD), run "apt-get update ; apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek" |
| 12:24.45 | g0dfrey | pratz: Yes,it's time |
| 12:24.52 | pratz | babilen: i have installed it on the other machine and trying to install each and everything i use for programming |
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| 12:25.04 | TadekMocarz | HELLO WHY FUCKING OPERA DID LOST SESSION WHEN POWER WAS LOST |
| 12:25.09 | TadekMocarz | WHERE IS MY SESSION |
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| 12:25.20 | pratz | also due respect to ubuntu team, I am using it for 4 years now |
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| 12:26.02 | cantido | pratz: you do realise this is #debian right? |
| 12:26.08 | trysten | ewww, ubuntu |
| 12:26.13 | babilen | TadekMocarz: Please use the next ten minutes to relax a little. Opera is also not supported by Debian. |
| 12:26.19 | pratz | cantido: yes |
| 12:26.25 | trysten | makes an eww face |
| 12:26.46 | cantido | pratz: what software do you want to install on debian |
| 12:26.48 | cantido | ? |
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| 12:27.13 | babilen | pratz: If you need/want help with Ubuntu ask in #ubuntu as we *only* support Debian in here. If you want further support in here install Debian and you are welcome. |
| 12:27.18 | pratz | cantido: yeahconsole, screen, vim7.3, python2.7 etc... |
| 12:27.39 | Ormie | babilen, done, now i need to verify if it's done |
| 12:27.39 | cantido | TadekMocarz: power failure can cause files to get corrupted etc.. this is why people have UPS |
| 12:27.43 | trysten | really like yeahconsole. he's talking to you in it right now |
| 12:27.49 | pratz | babilen: just told you dude i installed debian on other machine and trying it out |
| 12:27.57 | babilen | pratz: Wonderful :) |
| 12:28.05 | cantido | pratz: which of those can't you install from the debian repo? |
| 12:28.16 | pratz | cantido: vim7.3 |
| 12:28.29 | pratz | cantido: 7.2 is available in repo |
| 12:28.40 | cantido | pratz: check backports.. python 2.7 is the latest isn't it? I doubt there will be a backport for that |
| 12:28.44 | cantido | too much breakage |
| 12:28.51 | Ormie | babilen, also. there is no "wlan0" in iwconfig |
| 12:29.04 | pratz | cantido: hmm i will check |
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| 12:29.50 | babilen | pratz: You can backport vim 7.3 yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" -- I would recommend to install Python 2.7 from upstream sources to /usr/local and handle module installations with pip -- There is (and will never be) a python2.7 backports for squeeze. |
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| 12:30.18 | cantido | pratz: stable doesn't get new stuff.. so some of the software can be pretty out of date, you might find what you need in backports, sometimes you might just want local versions of things.. i.e. I have local copies of eclipse etc because the debian versions are usually pretty out of date |
| 12:30.31 | babilen | pratz: I furthermore recommend to handle installations to /usr/local with stow as it untangles the mess that /usr/local typically becomes. See "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" for details. |
| 12:30.51 | babilen | Ormie: Show me the output of the commands earlier (run as root) |
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| 12:31.39 | babilen | pratz: If this is *not* a production system you could consider running wheezy, but you *will* face problems for which in-depth knowledge of Debian and its packaging system is needed in order to fix them. |
| 12:31.48 | pratz | babilen: cantido ok guys this is a bit confusing for me a first time, the backports and upstreams, so i need to go through it first |
| 12:31.55 | Ormie | babilen, what command earlier you gave me, you gave me lots of commands :( |
| 12:32.23 | babilen | Ormie: These: "uname -a", "modprobe -r rtl8192ce ; modprobe rtl8192ce ; dmesg|tail -n30", "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig", "aptitude versions '~i~nfirmware'" and finally "aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-'" |
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| 12:32.43 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:33.05 | cantido | pratz: use backports first, only start doing stuff manually when you must :) |
| 12:33.17 | babilen | +1 |
| 12:33.23 | pratz | cantido: ok |
| 12:34.13 | babilen | ,v yeahconsole |
| 12:34.14 | judd | Package: yeahconsole on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.4-1; squeeze: 0.3.4-2; sid: 0.3.4-2.1; wheezy: 0.3.4-2.1 |
| 12:34.25 | babilen | pratz: And yeahconsole is in squeeze ^^^^ |
| 12:34.37 | jelly | ,i yeahconsole |
| 12:34.38 | judd | Package yeahconsole (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: drop-down X terminal emulator wrapper. Version: 0.3.4-2; Size: 10.8k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://phrat.de/yeahtools.html; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/yeahconsole |
| 12:34.47 | pratz | babilen: i only have problems with vim and python for now |
| 12:35.11 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173928/ |
| 12:35.12 | pratz | vim-7.3 and python-2.7 |
| 12:35.14 | babilen | pratz: You can backport vim yourself, but you have to install python2.7 manually as there is and never will be an official backport. |
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| 12:35.45 | babilen | pratz: You would then use virtualenvironment (check virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper) and pip to manage modules and deployments. |
| 12:35.50 | pratz | babilen: ok, you mean i have to compile it manually , correct ? |
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| 12:36.09 | Ormie | oh no! |
| 12:36.16 | Ormie | i am scared |
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| 12:36.56 | babilen | pratz: Yes -- Compile it manually from upstream sources and install it to /usr/local -- You manage that installation with stow as detailed above and install modules into virtual environments with pip |
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| 12:37.27 | babilen | Ormie: You forgot to install the firmware from backports. Please show me your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-realtek" *again* |
| 12:37.34 | pratz | babilen: but after this i will have two python versions, correct ? |
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| 12:38.04 | cantido | pratz: that's what you want.. you want the standard one to run all the python stuff you have installed from debian |
| 12:38.15 | babilen | pratz: yes -- I would also recommend to delete /usr/local/bin/python (which should be a symlink into /usr/local/stow/????/bin) so "python" still gets you the system's default python. |
| 12:38.43 | WormFood | where in the hell is http_proxy being set? I have looked and looked and looked, and can find absolutely no place where it is being set....and I do not want to use http_proxy. Everything on my whole god damn system is trying to use a proxy, but I have not set a proxy anywhere (I did have one set under system preferences, but turned it off) |
| 12:38.56 | pratz | babilen: cantido is that a good idea or just keep python2.7 for the complete system is a good idea ? |
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| 12:39.11 | babilen | pratz: You do *not* want to change the default python version. |
| 12:39.19 | pratz | babilen: cantido if i replace python-2.6 with python-2.7 will it break the system ? |
| 12:39.25 | babilen | yes |
| 12:39.35 | cantido | pratz: yep, thats why you won't find a backport |
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| 12:39.55 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173929/ |
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| 12:40.11 | pratz | babilen: cantido ok, got it guys, seperate installation at seperate location |
| 12:40.15 | babilen | cantido: There is no backport because the Python team refuses to maintain one due to a number of (good and bad) reasons |
| 12:40.17 | nkuttler | WormFood: env | grep proxy ? |
| 12:40.22 | cantido | pratz: python, ruby, php etc won't change all that much in stable so that crap doesn't break everywhere |
| 12:40.43 | WormFood | nkuttler, and? I can see it is set. I do not want it set. |
| 12:40.51 | babilen | Ormie: I mentioned that you need a different sources.list earlier -- Please change it and repeat the whole exercise. |
| 12:40.59 | babilen | Ormie: And no, I am not going to type all that again. |
| 12:41.02 | cantido | babilen: one of the reason being it would break everything and another being it's enough of a pita to do migrations in unstable already? ;) |
| 12:41.05 | WormFood | I do not want to have to unset it for every command prompt |
| 12:41.12 | nkuttler | WormFood: if you don't know where your env is set you're in trouble.. |
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| 12:41.27 | WormFood | nkuttler, I do not know where debian is setting it. |
| 12:41.27 | Ormie | babilen, i did! |
| 12:41.30 | WormFood | this is a debian thing |
| 12:41.37 | Ormie | babilen, i all of that |
| 12:42.01 | WormFood | It is not a system setting, it is specific to my user. I have searched everything in my home directory, and can find no reference to http_proxy being set. |
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| 12:42.04 | trysten | i'm looking for a linux compile guide, specifically, how can i have different Kconfig's in different places (along with their results) and use just one kernel source tree? |
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| 12:42.49 | cantido | trysten: "make help" in the tree maybe? you can probably override where it looks for the config file with an envvar |
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| 12:42.58 | nkuttler | WormFood: well it's probably a matter of going though all rc files and their includes. don't forget .hidden files |
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| 12:43.12 | babilen | Ormie: Ah, I see. You actually changed the squeeze-backports entry. Please run "apt-get update" and show me the apt-cache policy output from before. I *strongly* suggest to use the sources.list I pasted earlier as it also has "contrib non-free" for your *other* entries (in particular security) and also removed redundant/unwanted entries (the US mirror and the CD) |
| 12:43.21 | WormFood | nkuttler, I haven't forgotten hidden files |
| 12:43.24 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:43.51 | nkuttler | would grep for the proxy string |
| 12:43.53 | WormFood | I don't want to search....I want to know where it is being set. I'm tired of wasting my time looking. Where in the hell does debian store this information, and set it? |
| 12:44.02 | babilen | Ormie: Oh, your backports line is completely wrong. That should read (single line!) "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" *not* "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 12:44.12 | trysten | psh, i must be sleep deprived. thanks cantido. looks like make O=<dir> is exactly what i need.. derp. |
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| 12:44.13 | WormFood | I've already grepped for the http_proxy string |
| 12:44.16 | WormFood | I can't find it |
| 12:44.20 | nkuttler | WormFood: the host |
| 12:44.28 | rieequest | ...still searching for @INC. |
| 12:44.31 | rieequest | pls |
| 12:44.39 | rieequest | i m new to debian |
| 12:44.46 | babilen | Ormie: So in short: Replace your sources.list with http://paste.debian.net/173926/, run "apt-get update" and "apt-get -t squeeze-backport firmware-realtek" and you should be fine. |
| 12:44.48 | trysten | what is @INC, rieequest |
| 12:45.11 | rieequest | (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 |
| 12:45.38 | rieequest | trysten: it contains the lib paths |
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| 12:45.58 | rieequest | I want to add one |
| 12:46.14 | rieequest | i tried export, didnt worked |
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| 12:46.41 | rieequest | wrote script.pl didnt worked either... |
| 12:46.41 | trysten | well, perhaps it's not a variable and it's actually configured in a fyle somewhere.. i don't know anything about pearl, but if you can't find it in your variables, that's the next best place to look |
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| 12:47.19 | Ormie | babilen, i have replaced it, i also reinstall firmware-realtek, now? |
| 12:47.49 | rieequest | is there a command to show @INc in debian? |
| 12:47.49 | babilen | Ormie: Run the original set of commands (the one with modprobe) |
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| 12:49.30 | WormFood | the closest thing I can find is in .gconf/http_proxy/%gconf.xml, but even there it is turned off... WTF?!? |
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| 12:49.50 | Ormie | babilen, please? :( |
| 12:49.54 | Ormie | I can't find it |
| 12:50.03 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 12:50.24 | babilen | Ormie: These: "uname -a", "modprobe -r rtl8192ce ; modprobe rtl8192ce ; dmesg|tail -n30", "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig", "aptitude versions '~i~nfirmware'" and finally "aptitude versions '~i~n^linux-'" |
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| 12:50.52 | babilen | Ormie: I will *not* repeat them again. Print them, write them down, copy them into an editor, get a tattoo I don't care -- I will not repeat them. |
| 12:50.57 | Ormie | thanks! |
| 12:51.04 | Ormie | ok |
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| 12:53.50 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173934/ |
| 12:54.40 | babilen | Ormie: You still don't have the firmware from backports installed |
| 12:54.53 | Ormie | um... |
| 12:54.58 | Ormie | weird |
| 12:55.11 | nkuttler | WormFood: btw, when you say everything uses the proxy, does wget use it for example? |
| 12:55.25 | babilen | Ormie: Please run "apt-get update ; apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy firmware-realtek ; apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and show me the output. |
| 12:55.58 | WormFood | nkuttler, yes |
| 12:56.04 | Ormie | ok right away |
| 12:56.15 | WormFood | which is what notified me that something wasn't right. |
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| 12:56.50 | WormFood | my god damn torrent client is using the proxy, even tho I specificlly told my torrent client not to use a proxy....this is really frustrating. |
| 12:57.27 | nkuttler | dpkg suggests that the wm could set it |
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| 12:57.42 | WormFood | what is .gconfd/saved_state used for? It seems http_proxy is there too, but can't figure out what exactly that file is doing |
| 12:57.59 | WormFood | I'm sure it isn't my WM |
| 12:57.59 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173938/ |
| 12:58.38 | WormFood | it is in X11 only. When I login via a console, I don't have http_proxy being set. |
| 12:59.33 | guest_ | My Nvidia drivers are not being used how can I activate them. |
| 12:59.35 | WormFood | what is pissing me off is the fact I know it must be set somewhere, but I can't find it, using all my normal techniques (which is everything you said to do) |
| 12:59.43 | babilen | Ormie: yay! finally! (I guess that you forgot to run "apt-get update" after replacing your sources.list with mine -- Now run the modprobe set of commands again. |
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| 12:59.51 | babilen | !tell guest_ -about nvidia dkms |
| 12:59.54 | Ormie | ok |
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| 13:00.25 | babilen | guest_: That is the recommended way to install nvidia drivers on Debian and it also contains a suitable config snippet for /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that configures Xorg to use nvidia. |
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| 13:01.04 | nkuttler | WormFood: well.. try to move that ~/.gconf* stuff somewhere else |
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| 13:01.36 | WormFood | I want to be more surgical in my approach, rather than using the shotgun approach. |
| 13:01.36 | nkuttler | and ~/.gnome* as well i guess |
| 13:01.46 | WormFood | I have a lot of stuff I need to keep |
| 13:02.00 | nkuttler | you can still get surgical once you've narrowed it down |
| 13:02.02 | guest_ | babilen is there a wiki |
| 13:02.03 | WormFood | well....not "need" to....but don't want to reset all my settings...you know what I mean |
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| 13:02.19 | WormFood | nkuttler, but even then, I'll need to be starting and stopping x11 to figure out where it is. |
| 13:02.38 | WormFood | I'm pretty sure if I take it out of my "saved_state" file, it will "fix" it |
| 13:02.38 | nkuttler | WormFood: restarting X sounds like the first thing you should have done after disabling the setting |
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| 13:03.06 | Ormie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/173939/ |
| 13:03.07 | WormFood | I restarted X11 this morning, and the system proxy setting has not been set in months |
| 13:03.09 | Ormie | YAY! |
| 13:03.12 | Ormie | !yay |
| 13:03.12 | dpkg | yay! |
| 13:03.17 | Ormie | um... |
| 13:03.23 | babilen | guest_: There is an entry in the Debian wiki, but it is *horrible* -- "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" contains all the commands you need to install and configure nvidia drivers. They are also in backports (/msg dpkg bdo) (make sure to enable contrib and non-free for backports) as well if you need a newer version. |
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| 13:03.32 | zealiod | is it possible to symlink all .pngs from one directory to another? |
| 13:03.46 | WormFood | zealiod, ln -s /source/* . |
| 13:03.54 | WormFood | zealiod, ln -s /source/*.png . |
| 13:03.55 | zealiod | So, that new files dynamically link.... |
| 13:04.06 | WormFood | dynamically? |
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| 13:04.11 | WormFood | what do you mean/ |
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| 13:04.21 | Bor0 | link to the folder instead |
| 13:04.22 | babilen | Ormie: yay! See how reading + following instructions precisely helps -- Have fun! You might now want to continue with http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 13:04.24 | WormFood | drop files in a directory, and have symlinks made in another directory automatically? |
| 13:04.24 | zealiod | so, if I add a new .png later - then this will be available in the symlinked dir automagically |
| 13:04.35 | WormFood | you can symlink a directory |
| 13:04.40 | zealiod | If I link to the folder I only want to show the pngs |
| 13:04.44 | WormFood | but that is the whole contents |
| 13:04.46 | dvs | Ormie: apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 13:04.47 | Ormie | thanks alot! |
| 13:04.48 | guest_ | babilen: i installed from backports so I'll do the rest thanks |
| 13:04.52 | WormFood | make a cron job to make links for you |
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| 13:05.02 | zealiod | ok, thanks! |
| 13:05.16 | WormFood | while(true) ; do ln -s /source/*.png . ; sleep 10s ; done |
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| 13:05.31 | babilen | guest_: Alright -- Read "/msg dpkg xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" for some background information on the way it is configured. |
| 13:05.39 | babilen | WormFood: ugh |
| 13:05.52 | WormFood | babilen, terrible way to do it, eh? |
| 13:06.19 | babilen | WormFood: No idea -- I haven't followed the discussion, but that doesn't look healthy. :) |
| 13:06.43 | WormFood | babilen, he wants all .png files from one directory auto-symlinked into another directory |
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| 13:07.02 | WormFood | so when he drops a new .png in there, it has a symlink automatically made in another directory |
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| 13:07.17 | nadar | how come that if i format a 500GB drive with ext4 and set reserved blocks to 100 7 GB of the drive are "in use" - where with formatting with ext3 and set the same reserved blocks only 200 MB are "in use"? |
| 13:07.48 | nadar | or i'd ask better: how to avoid that overhead with ext4? |
| 13:07.54 | WormFood | nadar, perhaps it is because of how it sorts |
| 13:07.59 | guest_ | msg dpkg xorg.conf.d |
| 13:08.02 | WormFood | don't use ext4 then, use ext3 |
| 13:08.19 | WormFood | if you turn off the features in ext4, you basically have ext3 |
| 13:08.21 | nadar | WormFood, how what sorts what? |
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| 13:09.17 | nadar | i've already had a try with ext4 without jorunal - the resukt was nearly identical |
| 13:09.57 | WormFood | I'd expect the journal to be a majority of that additional overhead |
| 13:10.08 | nadar | i did so, too |
| 13:10.17 | nadar | but ext has a journal also |
| 13:10.19 | nadar | *ext3 |
| 13:10.42 | WormFood | nadar, I thought I remembered reading something about a feature in ext4 that controls how it stores the file entries....but maybe I'm thinking of something else |
| 13:11.07 | zealiod | does any one know how to change the default directory that bandwidths uses to save its generated content? |
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| 13:11.39 | nadar | WormFood, but after formatting the disk is empty, so there shouldn't be any entries there, should? |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | badwidthd you mean ? |
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| 13:12.43 | zealiod | abrotman: yup |
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| 13:13.17 | WormFood | maybe I'm thinking about the "extent" extension to ext4....but, with no files, that shouldn't make a difference |
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| 13:14.10 | RLa | ext4 without ext4 features and journal is plain old ext2 :) |
| 13:14.24 | WormFood | that is correct RLa |
| 13:14.41 | cantido | is it? ext4 can store bigger files and support bigger fs sizes no? |
| 13:14.45 | WormFood | if you don't use extents, you can mount an ext4 fs on an ext2 or ext3 system |
| 13:14.47 | csioktel | hi, i want find a program can act as "proxy switcher", switch to different proxy server base on domain, which software can do this? |
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| 13:15.19 | babilen | WormFood: Well -- Your thing gets the job done. I would recommend an approach with python + inotify |
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| 13:15.34 | jelly | csioktel: proxy for what kind of traffic? |
| 13:15.47 | nadar | so one (so far unknown) feature costs me 7GB (or 1.5%) of a disk -.- |
| 13:15.56 | WormFood | babilen, I wouldn't use "my" approach for anything more than a quick-n-dirty hack |
| 13:16.00 | csioktel | jelly: socks5/http connect |
| 13:16.09 | nadar | WormFood, thanks so far |
| 13:16.16 | csioktel | jelly: i mean for brwoser |
| 13:16.27 | csioktel | s/brwoser/browser |
| 13:16.48 | abrotman | zealiod: haven't used it in awhile, but ISTR it wasn't that hard to find .. |
| 13:17.01 | WormFood | ok, I found what I was talking about with the sorting thing |
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| 13:17.20 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 To allow for larger directories and continued performance, ext4 turns on Htree indexes (a specialized version of a B-tree), by default. |
| 13:17.44 | jelly | csioktel: you can set up squid (or say wwwoffle if you're looking for something smaller) to go to different parent proxies based on the request URL |
| 13:17.58 | jelly | then use that one proxy. |
| 13:17.59 | RLa | is that really important to fill your disks 100%? |
| 13:18.09 | zealiod | abrotman: no mention of it in the official conf help stuff |
| 13:18.11 | RLa | hm, in backup array? |
| 13:18.58 | csioktel | jelly: can they support socks5 parent proxy? |
| 13:19.11 | WormFood | jelly, maybe you can help me....my proxy is being set, but in the system settings I have it turned off, and I can find no place it is being stored. Any chance you know where http_proxy variable is being set, and how do I delete it? (without unsetting it at every command prompt) |
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| 13:19.22 | jelly | csioktel: wwwoffle does not. |
| 13:19.31 | jelly | no idea about squid |
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| 13:19.51 | threadlock | csioktel: is it something like foxyproxy (firefox add-on) you are looking for? |
| 13:19.53 | jelly | WormFood: no, sorry. Please ask the whole channel. |
| 13:20.04 | WormFood | jelly, I already did, scroll back and see |
| 13:20.04 | nkuttler | WormFood: btw, not what you asked for, but couldn't you just unset it in your user's rc file? |
| 13:20.08 | WormFood | nobody seems to know |
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| 13:20.29 | erinaceus_ | Hi, does anyone here experience problems when using pidgin and irc under debian? Because I get the "Too many login tries" Message everytime I try to login. And yes, i waited long enough. |
| 13:20.39 | WormFood | nkuttler, I don't think that would work |
| 13:20.50 | csioktel | threadlock: yes, i know some addon can do that, but i want a daemon(linux/bsd) program, thank you. |
| 13:20.59 | WormFood | it would probably work for my command prompts, but not for x11 stuff started from the menu |
| 13:21.12 | jelly | WormFood: you can always grep the whole of /etc and ~/.config/ with something like find /etc -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep ... |
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| 13:21.24 | WormFood | jelly, I've already done that. |
| 13:21.36 | WormFood | it is not being set for root, so it is not a system setting |
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| 13:21.47 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.26 | WormFood | the only thing I found, that looked like it could be it, was .gconfd/saved_state....but I can find no info on this file, or what it is supposed to do |
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| 13:24.18 | jelly | WormFood: are you using gnome? keywords: gconf, dconf |
| 13:24.22 | solar4x | hey guys |
| 13:24.37 | WormFood | yeah, gnome 2 on debian stable |
| 13:24.51 | jelly | WormFood: I have no idea how those things work. They look suspiciously like a registry to me. |
| 13:24.59 | solar4x | the network is works when i restart the machine but it's goes hang after 1 hour |
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| 13:25.15 | solar4x | network service works fine |
| 13:25.23 | WormFood | yeah, I was feeling the same way |
| 13:25.25 | solar4x | but i cant access internet |
| 13:25.35 | solar4x | if i restart it works 1 hour again |
| 13:25.39 | solar4x | and hangs |
| 13:25.46 | solar4x | this loop continues.. |
| 13:25.58 | solar4x | there is no log on dmes |
| 13:26.02 | solar4x | gmesg |
| 13:26.07 | solar4x | dmesg |
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| 13:26.20 | solar4x | what log file i should look ? |
| 13:26.26 | WormFood | when I see stuff like "ADD 4127195175 "def" "/system/http_proxy" "IOR:010000001700.....(way too many numbers to paste to irc without getting kicked).....it makes me feel like I'm dealing with MicroSlop stuff |
| 13:27.01 | WormFood | solar4x, how are you connecting to the internet? |
| 13:27.19 | solar4x | via ethernet |
| 13:27.23 | solar4x | cable |
| 13:27.30 | solar4x | and dsl modem |
| 13:27.42 | WormFood | look at /var/log/messages and maybe /var/log/daemon.log....and if you can't find anything there, then look and see what other logs you can find in that directory |
| 13:28.00 | WormFood | and does linux make the pppoe connection, or does your "router"? |
| 13:28.12 | solar4x | router does |
| 13:28.15 | WormFood | I'm assuming it is a pppoe connection....that is most common |
| 13:28.30 | WormFood | are you able to connect to your router when you are having problems? |
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| 13:28.37 | WormFood | can you ping anything, like "ping 8.8.8.8"? |
| 13:28.41 | solar4x | no router connection is fine |
| 13:28.48 | solar4x | if i restart the machine yes |
| 13:28.55 | solar4x | i connect the internet finely |
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| 13:29.02 | WormFood | did you check your routing table? |
| 13:29.04 | solar4x | but after assuming one hour |
| 13:29.09 | WormFood | route -n |
| 13:29.12 | solar4x | connection goes away |
| 13:29.38 | WormFood | you'll need to check the logs of your router |
| 13:29.48 | abrotman | zealiod: check the init script, also look in /etc/default/ |
| 13:29.50 | WormFood | are other computers able to connect through the same router at times you can't connect? |
| 13:30.05 | solar4x | idf yes |
| 13:30.11 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:30.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:30.21 | trysten | i do this |
| 13:30.23 | trysten | frequently |
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| 13:30.43 | trysten | is slapped about the chops by abrotman |
| 13:31.04 | WormFood | abrotman, you constantly surprise me with what information you know about debian, seeming off the top of your head....any idea about my question I asked a few minutes ago, about where http_proxy is being set? |
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| 13:31.39 | solar4x | igb reset adapter |
| 13:31.48 | solar4x | i'm getting this error |
| 13:31.54 | solar4x | and networks fail. |
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| 13:32.13 | abrotman | WormFood: for which app ? |
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| 13:32.22 | solar4x | if i restart the network service notings happen. if i reboot machine system works fine for 1 hour |
| 13:32.32 | abrotman | solar4x: STOP with the damn enter key |
| 13:32.38 | WormFood | system wide (at least within X11)....everything is using the proxy |
| 13:32.48 | trysten | just laughs harder |
| 13:32.58 | nkuttler | abrotman: only for his user though |
| 13:33.06 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 13:33.10 | WormFood | solar4x, have you tried to unload your network kernel module, and reload it? |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | seems like a use for grep :) |
| 13:33.34 | solar4x | yes. |
| 13:33.38 | WormFood | the closest thing I can find, that seems related, is ~/.gconfd/saved_state |
| 13:33.57 | solar4x | it works 4 hour and problem continues |
| 13:34.02 | WormFood | and even that is confusing, because I can only see http_proxy....everything else seems to be encoded. |
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| 13:34.47 | WormFood | can some of you guys grep your ~/.gconfd/saved_state for http_proxy, and tell me if it is being set at all (assuming you're not using a proxy) |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | WormFood: you may want to grep for just proxy |
| 13:35.14 | abrotman | WormFood: gnome3? |
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| 13:35.30 | WormFood | I'm speculating that maybe it decided to save my environmental variables, when I shutdown gnome/x11 some time....but I never asked it to do that, and there should be some way to change it |
| 13:35.36 | abrotman | WormFood: i'd suspect gnome3 uses the network0-manager stuff to set that .. |
| 13:35.40 | WormFood | no, gnome 2 on debian stable (I despise gnome 3) |
| 13:36.47 | WormFood | gnome 3 made me hate gnome. It is so slow to work with, and it does not even properly support dual monitors....not usable by me at this stage of the game. Maybe latter when they finish it, it might be ok...but for now, it is trash in my eyes. |
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| 13:37.13 | trysten | i just like how you slam your mouse into the corner to do anything |
| 13:37.14 | buckfast | Is it possible to upgrade the kernel on debian stable? I need a kernel <=2.6.35 |
| 13:37.29 | trysten | buckfast: just download the one you want and compile it yourself |
| 13:37.38 | dvs | no |
| 13:37.44 | trysten | blinks |
| 13:37.47 | buckfast | trysten: no backports? |
| 13:37.48 | dvs | buckfast: Try the backport kernel first |
| 13:37.48 | ksk | or download a pre compiled one |
| 13:38.24 | dvs | !tell buckfast about bpo |
| 13:38.31 | buckfast | dvs: Could you guide me through, because I didn't find any kernel images on packports |
| 13:39.04 | buckfast | !tell buckfast about bdo kernel |
| 13:39.14 | dvs | !tell buckfast about selftell |
| 13:39.25 | ksk | !tell me about selftell |
| 13:39.29 | ksk | *scnr* |
| 13:39.31 | trysten | laughs |
| 13:39.39 | dvs | heh |
| 13:40.04 | trysten | it's extra funny because i was about to do it. so i'm still laughing. |
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| 13:41.58 | stew | WormFood: funny. gnome 3 improved multi-monitor support for me. suddenly when I connect/disconnect another monitor, i no longer have to run the xrandr commands by hand, they seem to just happen automagically |
| 13:41.59 | WormFood | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 13:42.33 | stew | (not that I'm using much of gnome, but I believe g-s-d is the thing that handles this for me now) |
| 13:44.33 | WormFood | I wonder if you're using a newer version than I was |
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| 13:45.51 | stew | this didn't start happening until the last 2 weeks or so in sid |
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| 13:46.03 | WormFood | so that is probably the deal |
| 13:46.21 | WormFood | when I dumped gnome 3, I said it has promise....but not working well enough for me at that time. |
| 13:46.23 | zamba | i have a problem with initramfs-tools and the installation of linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:46.27 | solar4x | what is modprobe loop ? |
| 13:46.30 | WormFood | I hope they're able to fix it |
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| 13:46.37 | buckfast | How do I add eth0 as the default network device instead of eth1? |
| 13:46.44 | zamba | http://pastie.org/4067457 |
| 13:46.47 | zamba | here's the whole error |
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| 13:47.00 | WormFood | I absolutely HATE it doing stuff when I jam the mouse pointer into the corner of the screen....and they also don't handle point-to-focus worth a damn. |
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| 13:48.17 | WormFood | stew, any idea about my http_proxy question I asked a few minutes ago? I think between you, jelly, and abrotman, you three guys know just about everything about debian |
| 13:48.33 | ChrisH | buckfast: Are you asking about /etc/network/interfaces or ? |
| 13:49.03 | dvs | !70 |
| 13:49.03 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 13:50.05 | stew | WormFood: what is this proxy affecting? everything? browser? apt? |
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| 13:52.13 | buckfast | ChrisH: hmm, I don't know, problem is I have 2 network interfaces and debian seems to be using the wrong one |
| 13:53.03 | buckfast | i have the interface eth0 configured manually |
| 13:53.03 | ChrisH | buckfast: define "the wrong one" and before, please read what dvs showed to you using !70 |
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| 13:54.05 | WormFood | stew, everything....but I think I *just* figured it out |
| 13:54.18 | stew | buckfast: these are typically configured in /etc/netowrk/interfaces |
| 13:54.26 | WormFood | I gotta take care of something real quick, but will be back in a few minutes to elaborate on what I've discovered. |
| 13:54.31 | stew | buckfast: unless perhaps you are using somehting like network-manager |
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| 13:56.24 | buckfast | stew: 'm using KDE, it seems to have some kind off network manager |
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| 13:57.24 | alesan | hi, I need an advice. I have a device with Debian Wheezy ARMHF on it |
| 13:58.06 | jelly | alesan: is it an rpi!?!? is it is it |
| 13:58.18 | themill | not if it's got armhf on it |
| 13:58.38 | alesan | right now this device is not networked. I can transfer files on it with a USB stick |
| 13:58.40 | stew | buckfast: do you want to show us what is in /etc/network/interfaces now? (use a pastebin) |
| 13:58.40 | WormFood | I had set the proxy in the system settings, but later turned it off. Today I rebooted my computer (actually extended power failure, and ups ran out), so no proxy should be set. My proxy is over my vpn, and I turn off my VPN, and discover that wget is trying to use the proxy, because it gives me an error, when it can't connect to the proxy. |
| 13:58.44 | jelly | themill: rpi is not hf capable? |
| 13:58.56 | themill | jelly: no. wrong generation of arm-thingy |
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| 13:59.12 | stew | I'll show you an arm thingy |
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| 13:59.33 | themill | hey! that's the technical term for it! |
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| 13:59.51 | WormFood | I search my ass off, and can't find anything conclusive. The only thing I can find that seems like it could possibly be was ~/.gconfd/saved_state I did notice several "proxy" and "http_proxy" settings near the end of the file....so just now I deleted those proxy lines, and opened a new terminal, and http_proxy was not being set. |
| 13:59.58 | alesan | jelly, nono it's a different board with dual cortex A9 and 1GB ram |
| 14:00.14 | jelly | oh, armhf targets armv7 while poor rpi cpu is merely armv6+thingy capable |
| 14:00.27 | themill | see... thingy! |
| 14:00.33 | alesan | so the problem is that I need to install pkg "ppp" but it depends on libpcap |
| 14:00.48 | jelly | but you can't build pcap? |
| 14:00.59 | dgeary2 | having difficulty unmounting a filesystem (loop mounted hard disk partition image). the image was also being used by a qemu instance but i killed that instance. i have not been able to identify the culprit using lsof, fuser, and ps so far. any ideas? |
| 14:01.02 | WormFood | what is extremely frustrating, is the fact I can't easily find this information...and when I do find it, it is all encoded in such a way that makes it impossible to see what exactly it is doing. I'm sure there are tools to help me, but I'm not a gconf/d developer |
| 14:01.16 | alesan | well I can download the package with my laptop and use a usb stick to copy it over and use dpkg to install |
| 14:01.25 | buckfast | stew: http://pastebin.com/BBYEqEL6 |
| 14:01.26 | WormFood | dgeary2, did you use an offset? |
| 14:01.36 | alesan | jelly, the problem is that libpcap now wants libc to be updated |
| 14:01.46 | alesan | and it's not wise probably |
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| 14:02.10 | WormFood | if your hard drive image is not being treated like a big floppy disk, and it actually has a partition table and everything like a normal hard drive, then you must use an offset |
| 14:02.12 | dgeary2 | WormFood, no. it's just the partition, not a complete disk image. |
| 14:02.15 | alesan | how can I do? If In install ppp I will have a network conection with a USB 3G modem |
| 14:02.19 | stew | buckfast: create an eth1 entry that is like this eth0 entry. only the "default" should have "gateway" defined. neither should have broadcast defined |
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| 14:02.25 | jelly | alesan: that implies you got the wrong (or too new) libpcap build. http://snapshot.debian.org/ may be your friend |
| 14:02.29 | WormFood | dgeary2, what command line are you using to mount it? |
| 14:02.44 | alesan | jelly, exactly, this system was installed maybe two months ago |
| 14:03.04 | dgeary2 | WormFood, mount -o loop /home/vm/ltsp.img /opt/ltsp |
| 14:03.08 | stew | buckfast: do you want the eth0 active at all? like should it have an ip address? |
| 14:03.11 | alesan | what do you advice jelly with that website? |
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| 14:03.37 | Milana | Hi, how to disable sending ICMP redirects in IPv6 ? |
| 14:03.39 | jelly | alesan: find an older build of libpcap0.8 binary package for armhf |
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| 14:03.59 | trysten | can i add . to my path? are there any drawbacks to this other than the obvious? |
| 14:04.02 | buckfast | stew: yes |
| 14:04.19 | WormFood | dgeary2, did you look at it with something like hexdump or xxd, to see if it looks normal....or do you know what to look for? |
| 14:04.32 | jelly | trysten: yes. The obvious ones are enough not to do that. |
| 14:04.40 | WormFood | trysten, poor security tho |
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| 14:05.06 | themill | alesan: there are frequently released updates to libc6, esp within testing and quite possibly even more so for an architecture that is still being bootstrapped. |
| 14:05.27 | themill | alesan: Are you currently running libc6 from debian wheezy? (what version of the package?) it should be safe enough to update if you are. |
| 14:05.29 | dgeary2 | WormFood, no, i assume it is normal because i had no problem mounting and using it. i'm having trouble un-mounting it. |
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| 14:05.58 | buckfast | stew: eth0 is the main interface, eth1 I don't need at the moment, but its for IPTV from my ISP |
| 14:06.01 | alesan | themill, update libc with a usb stick? what do you suggest to do? |
| 14:06.02 | themill | alesan: you'll see that libpcap has a fairly tight libc dependency atm http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libpcap0.8 |
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| 14:06.38 | themill | dpkg: tell alesan about apt-offline |
| 14:06.43 | Milana | there is no /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/send_redirects |
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| 14:07.03 | stew | buckfast: so add an eth1 that doesn't have a gateway, nor broadcast, remove broadcase from eth0. (broadcast that you have there is actaully fine, but there is no reason to be specifying it) |
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| 14:07.08 | Milana | any way to disable sending ICMP redirects in IPv6 ? |
| 14:07.09 | themill | alesan: if you can go back and forth a couple of times to apt-update and get the files for the dist-upgrade and install, then that's going to be your best bet |
| 14:07.50 | buckfast | stew: I did that |
| 14:08.10 | buckfast | no network connecitivity |
| 14:08.20 | alesan | ok thanks |
| 14:08.28 | WormFood | dgeary2, I misread what you said originally....trying to think of what you can do next |
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| 14:09.39 | buckfast | stew: the network worked on the netinst that I just finished, there I configured eth0 manually, no problems |
| 14:10.19 | WormFood | dgeary2, did you try to use the force or lazy option to unmount? |
| 14:10.22 | dgeary2 | WormFood, have confirmed (with 'mount') that there are no filesystems mounted on it nor are there images on it mounted anywhere. |
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| 14:11.17 | dgeary2 | WormFood, brilliant. thanks. |
| 14:11.23 | stew | buckfast: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 14:11.42 | dgeary2 | WormFood, realised my problem was that it is being exported by nfs |
| 14:12.05 | buckfast | stew: I just installed debian using netinstall. there I had to configure eth0 manually and it worked flawlessly. |
| 14:12.16 | dgeary2 | WormFood, unmounted fine after i un-exported it. |
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| 14:12.50 | stew | buckfast: i'm not sure how this fits in with our current conversation, i guess |
| 14:13.38 | WormFood | ahhh...yes....exporting it via nfs/samba can make it not want to unmount....I've had that problem before. |
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| 14:14.30 | buckfast | stew: It still doesnt work |
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| 14:14.45 | stew | buckfast: you have to be more specific than that |
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| 14:15.10 | stew | buckfast: what is "it", what do you expecting it to do, what does it do instead? do you get an error? what do you do to get the error... |
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| 14:15.29 | buckfast | stew: no ping response |
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| 14:18.42 | g0dfrey | has debian abandoned openoffice? |
| 14:19.00 | ksk | hey guys. |
| 14:19.27 | themill | g0dfrey: debian is using libreoffice (and hasn't actually use openoffice for quite some time) |
| 14:19.45 | ksk | what do i need to use a networkcard? it does show up in "lspci" but nowhere else (like mii-tool or the udev-netrules/ /dev/udev/net:eth:foo ) |
| 14:19.47 | themill | dpkg: tell g0dfrey about debian ooo |
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| 14:20.03 | buckfast | stew: I can ping IP addresses now, but no hosts |
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| 14:22.10 | buckfast | stew: added nameserver, works :-) |
| 14:22.16 | buckfast | thanks |
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| 14:25.19 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 14:26.30 | cousin_luigi | would like to test ipv6 on his squeeze router, but he's not sure about the options to use with pppd. |
| 14:26.46 | cousin_luigi | Changing username/password didn't suffice. |
| 14:27.07 | buckfast | is upgrading his kernel, keep your fingers crossed |
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| 14:27.41 | g0dfrey | themill: Can Apache Openoffice join debian? |
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| 14:28.30 | stew | g0dfrey: no, we have libreoffice instead |
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| 14:28.56 | dkr | which is pretty much the same thing |
| 14:29.18 | buckfast | yes |
| 14:29.36 | stew | g0dfrey: there would have to be a very very compelling reason. since they both come from the same openoffice.org codebase, they'd share a lot of code. we really don't like having duplication of code without a really good reason, and this is tons and tons of duplicated code |
| 14:29.39 | themill | g0dfrey: not unless there's someone very very keen to do the work for that. |
| 14:29.49 | stew | its a lot of work |
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| 14:29.55 | themill | and these are hideous packages to maintain |
| 14:30.15 | stew | it takes like an entire day to compile the package, just to test to see if the build is worth uploading |
| 14:31.03 | g0dfrey | stew,themill: ic ... |
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| 14:32.04 | stew | its a 9 hour build on one of debian's dedicated build servers: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=libreoffice&arch=i386 |
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| 14:32.27 | stew | 1 day 11 hours on mips: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=libreoffice&arch=mips |
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| 14:33.04 | dvs | O_O |
| 14:33.15 | stew | this is great, run for > 2.5 days on the buildd, only to fail: https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=libreoffice&arch=mipsel |
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| 14:34.43 | themill | stew: but both mipsel users will be very grateful for all the work, I'm sure. |
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| 14:35.31 | g0dfrey | themill: It's true |
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| 14:36.09 | stew | and the zero s390 libreoffice users will be happy that it only takes a fraction of that time ont he s390 buildd |
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| 14:36.59 | g0dfrey | How to config the style for gtk apps under kde?I have installed kde-config-gtk-style and some styles |
| 14:37.11 | g0dfrey | Wheezy |
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| 14:37.33 | foliv0ra | Gday, If I enable this from /etc/pam.d/su -> auth required pam_wheel.so, I cant su - even though I am member or adm (4) and uucp (10) .. Could someone point the reason... |
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| 14:38.41 | karlpinc | foliv0ra: "id" says you're a member of wheel? |
| 14:39.42 | foliv0ra | karlpinc: noup, since it seems that there is no group called wheel in this fresh squeeze installation |
| 14:39.54 | Sargun-Work | when I use provides do I have to specify packagename + version |
| 14:39.59 | Sargun-Work | or just packagename? |
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| 14:40.17 | buckfast | my ati GPU temp is 80C, running the open source driver on low profile :( |
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| 14:40.37 | foliv0ra | karlpinc: uucp has the same gid (10) as wheel usually has |
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| 14:41.13 | karlpinc | foliv0ra: Probably need to make a wheel group then. (Unless pam_wheel can be configured to use something else.) Dunno how pam_wheel tells what group is wheel. |
| 14:41.27 | karlpinc | foliv0ra: You could read the pam_wheel docs. |
| 14:41.35 | jpalecek | Sargun-Work: AFAIK, you can|t Provide a package with version -- at least that|s how it used to be |
| 14:41.42 | foliv0ra | reading the already, anyway thanks... |
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| 14:42.08 | jpalecek | karlpinc: can be changed to any group name in the configuration, cf. manpage |
| 14:42.11 | Sargun-Work | How do I build a package for two different distros, and put it in the same repo? |
| 14:42.20 | nevyn | fpm |
| 14:42.42 | abrotman | WormFood: find the answer ? |
| 14:42.47 | Sargun-Work | nevyn: If you build a package for two different distros, with the same name and version, you can't put them into the same repo |
| 14:43.12 | WormFood | yes abrotman. I said what I had discovered, if you want to scroll back and see |
| 14:43.36 | nevyn | Sargun-Work: what do you mean by different distros? different releases of debian? or completely different distributions of linux? |
| 14:43.48 | WormFood | abrotman, at 58 minutes after the hour |
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| 14:44.34 | stew | Sargun-Work: i recommend reprepro, which should have no problem with multiple dists pointing to the same pacakge in a pool |
| 14:44.49 | foliv0ra | karlpinc: easy, just add group=uucp (or the grp what you want) to end of the line in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 14:45.10 | stew | uucp? is someone running some kind of computing history exhibit? |
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| 14:46.03 | abrotman | WormFood: okay, sorry, was in a meeting |
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| 14:46.27 | WormFood | abrotman, no problem. Real life happens sometimes ;) |
| 14:46.36 | zealiod | Id like to configure rsyslog to store all messages from dhcpd and openvpn into different log files, how can i do this? |
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| 14:47.35 | abrotman | WormFood: yeah, i think some store it as http-proxy, others as http_proxy, which is why i suggested to grep for just proxy |
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| 14:48.20 | WormFood | yeah, I did both, when I first went looking |
| 14:48.27 | jelly | I'd grep for the actual hostname or IP value. But WormFood said he did that already. |
| 14:48.44 | WormFood | I didn't say I grepped for the hostname |
| 14:48.53 | jelly | no, but that's the obvious choice |
| 14:48.55 | WormFood | but, the host name isn't in a format that is easy to read |
| 14:49.03 | Sargun-Work | stew: So, it's two different packages |
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| 14:49.26 | WormFood | look at your ~/.gconfd/saved_state file, and see if you can understand it |
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| 14:49.39 | WormFood | that is where it was storing the proxy info |
| 14:49.57 | stew | Sargun-Work: what do you mean by two different pacakges? different names? different versions? |
| 14:50.06 | WormFood | but I'm gonna say there is a bug somewhere, because I turned off the proxy, and it was still being set. |
| 14:50.25 | jelly | WormFood: changes applied at log-in time? |
| 14:50.34 | jelly | this is a DE thingy after all |
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| 14:51.16 | Sargun-Work | stew: One was compiled on precise, and one was compiled on maverick |
| 14:51.36 | stew | Sargun-Work: so they are different versions of the same pacakge? |
| 14:51.37 | WormFood | yeah, when I opened a new window in gnome-terminal, it was not being set (and I didn't touch anything else) |
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| 14:51.58 | Archimede669 | ciaooooooooo |
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| 14:52.27 | Sargun-Work | stew: One was compiled on precise, and one was compiled on maverick |
| 14:52.28 | sacredchao | So I upgraded cryptsetup in my sid install, and now I cannot decrypt my root logical volume upon boot |
| 14:52.32 | stew | Sargun-Work: so they are different versions of the same pacakge? |
| 14:52.34 | buckfast | I'm following this guide to install flgrx: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . I get "module radeon is in use" in step 4 even after reboot. What to do? |
| 14:52.45 | sacredchao | I get this error: http://siduction.de/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=printview&t=2468&start=0 |
| 14:52.47 | Sargun-Work | stew: Well, they're the same version, but different builds. |
| 14:53.05 | stew | Sargun-Work: can they be used inter-changably? do they differ in any way? |
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| 14:53.15 | sacredchao | My question is, how can I decrypt my root lv manually when all that is unencrypted is my /boot partition? |
| 14:53.32 | stew | Sargun-Work: if they differ in any way, then they are different versions and should have different version numbers |
| 14:53.45 | LordDeath | is debian 6 safe from this? http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Simple-authentication-bypass-for-MySQL-root-revealed-1614990.html |
| 14:53.49 | sacredchao | I know how to use cryptsetup luksOpen on the command line, but my system has encrypted / logical volume, so how do I get a shell to even run that and boot up? |
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| 14:54.55 | g0dfrey | buckfast: logout of your xserver |
| 14:54.56 | stew | LordDeath: no, see http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-2122 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677018 |
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| 14:55.20 | Sargun-Work | stew: does aptitude/dpkg have a good way to do distro-specific packages |
| 14:55.36 | stew | Sargun-Work: what does "do distro-specific pacakges" mean? |
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| 14:56.09 | LordDeath | stew: thx |
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| 14:56.31 | buckfast | g0dfrey: I did invoke-rc.d kdm but I still get that message |
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| 14:58.27 | g0dfrey | buckfast: I haven't tried the guide before...I just install fglrx-driver and then logout and "aticonfig --initial" and "startx" and "lsmod | grep fglrx" you will see fglrx works |
| 14:59.02 | Sargun-Work | stew: So, I want version 1.2.3 to be build for precise, and maverick, therefore when people do aptitude install nginx =1.2.3, it installs the 1.2.3 built for their repo |
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| 14:59.24 | stew | Sargun-Work: when you say nginx=1.2.3 its going to install version 1.2.3. that's it |
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| 15:00.19 | stew | Sargun-Work: if you want two different versions of the same pacakge they should have different version nubmers, since that is what the version number exists for |
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| 15:01.30 | sacredchao | Anyone know how to manually mount an encrypted root LV with cryptsetup so I can boot Debian? Sid's cryptsetup 1.4.3 is broken and I can't boot, but I can decrypt manually |
| 15:01.50 | jordanm | !sid |
| 15:01.50 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 15:04.46 | buckfast | I'm pissed. Even fglrx won't let me configure the gpu fan speed. It's running at 80 C... in idle! |
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| 15:06.23 | trysten | buckfast: my ati runs too hot also.. that's why i have it turned off XD |
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| 15:08.08 | buckfast | trysten: that solution won't do |
| 15:08.35 | sacredchao | jordanm: not constructive, thanks for nothing |
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| 15:09.18 | sacredchao | If someone who is knowledgeable about cryptsetup would like to share how to get a shell to decrypt a root filesystem manually with the cryptsetup command, I would appreciate it |
| 15:09.30 | sacredchao | (instead of just relying on the automatic passphrase prompt after GRUB) |
| 15:09.48 | trysten | sacredchao: don't patronize me! |
| 15:10.39 | stew | sacredchao: checked the bts? |
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| 15:11.57 | sacredchao | stew Googling the error only turned up this: http://siduction.de/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=printview&t=2468&start=0 |
| 15:12.00 | Yankees52 | You wanna spray at me? Go head |
| 15:12.02 | Yankees52 | The last nigga that tried |
| 15:12.03 | Yankees52 | Got hit, keeled over, and bled 'til he died |
| 15:12.13 | trysten | GO AWAY TROLL |
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| 15:12.24 | Yankees52 | trysten: you wana spray at me? |
| 15:12.26 | sacredchao | He can decrypt by hand, so can I in a live USB environment, but that doesn't help me decrypt and boot into my Debian install |
| 15:12.33 | trysten | i'm feeding the troll, i hope that's alright.. |
| 15:12.40 | jhutchins_lt | !ops Yankees52 |
| 15:12.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jhutchins_lt complains about: Yankees52 |
| 15:12.44 | stew | trysten: just ignore |
| 15:12.49 | stew | jhutchins_lt: hi, what's up? |
| 15:12.59 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Troll. |
| 15:13.08 | mentor | :p |
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| 15:13.15 | stew | jhutchins_lt: yes, obviously I konw |
| 15:13.30 | mentor | trysten: Don't feed them |
| 15:13.34 | sacredchao | I'm just not sure how to get a prompt to run cryptsetup luksOpen on my root partition |
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| 15:13.38 | trysten | thanks the mentor |
| 15:14.44 | RichiH | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 15:14.50 | RichiH | i may be too late, but |
| 15:14.58 | stew | sacredchao: did you check the bts? |
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| 15:15.49 | RLa | where can i find minimal man file example? |
| 15:15.54 | RLa | googling does not help |
| 15:16.30 | RichiH | RLa: ? |
| 15:16.31 | jordanm | RLa: /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz? |
| 15:16.36 | stew | RLa: there are a bunch in /usr/share/man... |
| 15:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | RLa: man man |
| 15:16.50 | RLa | none of them is quite minimal i guess |
| 15:16.55 | trysten | are! |
| 15:17.08 | jordanm | he would probably rather mant "man 7 man" |
| 15:17.12 | jordanm | want |
| 15:17.26 | RichiH | as another alternative, ronn can compile manpages from markdown |
| 15:17.32 | jhutchins_lt | I know I've hit a few packages where the man page was clearly just a copy of the template. |
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| 15:17.44 | RichiH | RLa: let's start by you telling us what you want to do :) |
| 15:17.52 | RichiH | then we go from there |
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| 15:18.13 | RLa | i'm creating private package at the moment, it contains two commands that i would like to briefly document |
| 15:19.00 | RichiH | go with ronn, then |
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| 15:19.17 | mentor | RLa: You can look at the source of existing man pages |
| 15:19.17 | stew | RLa: "ls -lSh /usr/share/man/man1 | pager" ; that is sorted by size, find one which is very small but not just a symlink to another one |
| 15:19.21 | RichiH | if you plan to backport to stable, you will need to include a static manpage |
| 15:19.30 | RichiH | for testing etc, you can simply build-depend |
| 15:19.39 | RLa | i can hardly write markdown, anyway, ls manpage is very good |
| 15:19.55 | mentor | RLa: man pages are built in groff or troff or some roff anyway |
| 15:20.11 | RichiH | RLa: it's very simple, really https://github.com/RichiH/vcsh/blob/master/doc/vcsh.1.ronn |
| 15:20.18 | RichiH | but no worries if you don't want to use it |
| 15:20.18 | RLa | i also looked at this: http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch50_11.htm |
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| 15:20.42 | RLa | but i think line after .SH NAME must not be comment |
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| 15:21.26 | RLa | ronn file looks bit cleaner |
| 15:21.47 | RichiH | that's why i am doing it that way |
| 15:21.51 | RichiH | no brain pain |
| 15:22.28 | RLa | a lot cleaner |
| 15:22.37 | RLa | ls manual looks like gibberish |
| 15:23.06 | RLa | remains me rtf files |
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| 15:26.00 | RLa | hm, man files are not compiled/processed somehow, just gzipped? |
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| 15:26.32 | trysten | rtfmanpages |
| 15:26.35 | themill | RLa: "man" itself compiles them according to the viewer's terminal with |
| 15:26.44 | themill | *width |
| 15:27.08 | ksk | you can see the message that "man" is doing that on slooow machines ;) |
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| 15:27.53 | RLa | oh |
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| 15:30.31 | sacredchao | stew: bts has nothing |
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| 15:31.18 | jporcel | hi there, which is the package for suspend ? |
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| 15:32.04 | themill | ,i pm-utils |
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| 15:32.06 | judd | Package pm-utils (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: utilities and scripts for power management. Version: 1.3.0-3; Size: 110.6k; Installed: 452k; Homepage: http://pm-utils.freedesktop.org/ |
| 15:32.07 | stew | sacredchao: well if it's broken and there is no bug, you should obviously file one |
| 15:32.36 | trysten | who is judd |
| 15:32.43 | jelly | judd: what are you |
| 15:32.52 | jelly | !judd |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>. |
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| 15:33.17 | trysten | cool! |
| 15:33.29 | dkr | jporcel: or it's a shell built-in :) |
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| 15:35.36 | RLa | one last question .TH LS "1" <- what does "1" mean? |
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| 15:36.13 | RLa | it puts 1 in parentheses when viewing the page, like LS(1) |
| 15:36.29 | sacredchao | stew: last i checked bts was email based |
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| 15:36.50 | sacredchao | I don't use email :-( |
| 15:36.53 | stew | sacredchao: that's the only way to submit bugs, yes |
| 15:37.11 | boudiccas | sacredchao: can you not decrypt it permanently from the rescue disk? |
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| 15:37.41 | stew | sacredchao: perhaps you should be using stable or (maybe) wheezy |
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| 15:41.05 | ratatata | nu |
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| 15:49.13 | jporcel | dkr themill I don't have pm-utils |
| 15:49.23 | jporcel | I am using stable (shame on me= |
| 15:49.25 | jporcel | ) |
| 15:49.26 | jporcel | debian 6 |
| 15:49.34 | Sidney__ | msg dpkg xorg.conf.d |
| 15:49.52 | themill | jporcel: you can install that package then -- aptitude install pm-utils |
| 15:49.58 | jporcel | I did aptitude search pm |
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| 15:50.00 | jporcel | nothing there |
| 15:50.01 | RLa | nice, got my first package working without significant lintian warnings |
| 15:50.02 | jporcel | I tried |
| 15:50.08 | RLa | and no errors |
| 15:50.37 | jporcel | themill: 0 packages to be installed = fail |
| 15:50.42 | sifu | jporcel: i guess u've a got an intel video card |
| 15:50.50 | jporcel | whereis s2ram |
| 15:50.51 | jporcel | s2ram: |
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| 15:50.59 | themill | !show sources.list jporcel |
| 15:50.59 | dpkg | jporcel: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 15:51.06 | jporcel | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:51.18 | themill | jporcel: s2disk and s2ram aren't in squeeze. |
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| 15:51.25 | jporcel | themill: my atom has an intel card and it works with --force |
| 15:51.31 | jporcel | themill: ? wtf xD |
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| 15:51.37 | ampharos | quick (and stupid) question: can I use netinst with WiFi? |
| 15:51.44 | sifu | jporcel: send us the part of vga output of lspci |
| 15:51.52 | jporcel | ampharos: yes you should, but better use ethernet. |
| 15:52.08 | jporcel | ampharos: unsure about the debian installer |
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| 15:53.09 | ampharos | I'd use ethernet but I don't have a free port on the router and I don't have ethernet routed to my basement where the box will be perched |
| 15:53.11 | sifu | jporcel: try 3.2* kernel and xorg from backports |
| 15:53.45 | WormFood | abrotman, just to confirm. I restarted X, and it seems that all traces of http_proxy are gone now, just by deleting the lines with "proxy" in them, out of ~/.gconfd/saved_state |
| 15:53.47 | sifu | jporcel: reboot with the new kernel and remove the 2.6.32 kernbel image |
| 15:54.17 | sifu | jporcel: i had the same issue with my graphics intel card |
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| 15:55.41 | jporcel | sifu: the problem is I don't have suspend, maybe it will suspend |
| 15:55.44 | jporcel | but yeah |
| 15:55.48 | jporcel | kernel 3 would be nice |
| 15:55.55 | jporcel | rather than the 2.32 |
| 15:56.02 | jporcel | probably with local root |
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| 15:56.34 | sifu | jporcel: add backports to ur sources list then "apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -t backports xorg linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 15:56.45 | buckfast | Why do I get the message "no protocol specified" and "ati_pplib_cmd: unable to open display ':0'" and "aticonfig: parsing the command-line failed" when entering the command aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get-fanspeed 0" |
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| 15:57.14 | jordanm | buckfast: because you did it as root instead of using gksu? |
| 15:57.23 | sifu | jporcel: the defualt shipped kernel seems to break with the intel driver |
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| 15:59.24 | buckfast | jordanm: when I do it as regular user: "pplib command execution has failed" "ati_pplib_cmd: execute "get" failed" |
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| 16:01.52 | CrazyGir | hello! I am trying to install a more recent version of pidgin, following these instructions: http://www.pathin.org/tutorials/ubuntu-11-10-debian-6-build-newest-pidgin-from-source/ but when I run build-dep on pidgin, this is what I get: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e7836793/ |
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| 16:02.55 | CrazyGir | is there anything in particular I can do to figure out how to get through this? |
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| 16:04.27 | tryfan | hey all, is there any kind of smtp proxy where I can send particular email recipients to one mail server and all other recipients to another? |
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| 16:08.14 | jordanm | ,versions pidgin |
| 16:08.16 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2; sid: 2.10.4-1.1; wheezy: 2.10.4-1.1 |
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| 16:11.10 | CrazyGir | jordanm: yea.. 2.10.4 is current, and I need the current version for ICQ support |
| 16:11.19 | CrazyGir | damn bastards change their protocol all the time |
| 16:11.37 | CrazyGir | i have squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2 at present |
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| 16:14.50 | Sidney__ | If this is correct what would be my next step http://paste.debian.net/173965/ |
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| 16:24.04 | PCChris | I can't manage to get an ext4 img residing on an vmhgfs (vmware) partition mounted rw. The vmhgfs partition is mounted rw, and the img file shows up w/ 777 permissions in ls. The command I am using is mount -t ext4 -o loop,rw. When I move the image file to an ext4 partition, it allows me to mount it rw. Suggestions? |
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| 16:28.01 | buckfast | Why can't I get the fanspeed or fglrxinfo of my ati card: http://pastebin.com/pH1z6TeX |
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| 16:29.00 | bitfury | hi, I'm trying to install the MegaCli utility for my raid controller under debian (squeeze) following this doc: http://www.keyboardmadness.com/2010/11/article-lsi-megaraid-and-ubuntu.html - but I the doc references a repo for "ubuntu jaunty" and was wondering if it'll work under squeeze? |
| 16:29.29 | z28 | buckfast: try /usr/bin/glxinfo |
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| 16:29.49 | Ormie | HELP! |
| 16:29.55 | Ormie | Sound is not working |
| 16:30.00 | jordanm | bitfury: the repo that it links to provided squeeze packages |
| 16:30.02 | Ormie | what to do? |
| 16:30.08 | jordanm | provides |
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| 16:30.17 | jordanm | !tell Ormie about alsa checklist |
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| 16:30.58 | bitfury | jordanm: this? http://hwraid.le-vert.net/ubuntu jaunty main |
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| 16:32.58 | jordanm | bitfury: http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/DebianPackages |
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| 16:34.19 | ectospasm | anyone else getting a hash sum mismatch on debian_dists_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en? It happens for every mirror I've tried: ftp.us, cdn.debian.net, debian.osuosl.org... |
| 16:34.58 | bitfury | jordanm: oh, shoot! that's nice. Should've read the page entirely. Many thanks! :) |
| 16:37.03 | jporcel | ls |
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| 17:04.35 | MO_Handes | is there any shortcut or a way to write right to left in programs like libreoffice, openoffice and gedit? |
| 17:05.06 | hiwk | hello! I use debian testing. somewhat recently gnome got updated, and I decided gnome classic was more my game, and uses that instead |
| 17:05.20 | hiwk | but recently it updated and I lost my keyboard shortcuts |
| 17:05.50 | hiwk | I can configure "switch to workspace n" for n = 1 to 4 |
| 17:05.56 | hiwk | but I have 9 workspaces... |
| 17:05.59 | hiwk | what to do? |
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| 17:06.12 | hiwk | should I abandon gnome altogether? |
| 17:06.42 | MO_Handes | is it possible to use the classic look when you have updated to gnome3? |
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| 17:09.08 | forestbird | MO_Handes: yeah, you can set it in system info i think |
| 17:10.34 | hiwk | MO_Handes: yeah, but right now I can't configure it |
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| 17:15.07 | MO_Handes | so, where this testing will be stable? when is the Wheezy release date? |
| 17:15.23 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 17:15.23 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
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| 17:15.35 | sacredchao | boudiccas: Yes, I can decrypt and mount all my logical volumes in a live environmnt |
| 17:15.41 | stew | MO_Handes: we don't set release dates. we will freeze it soon (in the next weeks), then release when there are (nearly?) zero release critical bugs left to fix |
| 17:15.57 | kbar | june 2012 |
| 17:16.01 | kbar | sounds familiar |
| 17:16.02 | kbar | oh right |
| 17:16.14 | sacredchao | I am on a live USB environment right now, and I can easily see all my data with a simple cryptsetup luksOpen and mount |
| 17:16.36 | sacredchao | Maybe I should chroot and downgrade cryptsetup |
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| 17:17.37 | MO_Handes | how can one join the Debian project? |
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| 17:18.38 | stew | MO_Handes: that depends on what preceicely you mean by "join", and how formal of a relationship you are looking for. there are lots of ways of getting involved |
| 17:18.53 | stew | MO_Handes: I always recommend trying to help by fixing bugs as a first step |
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| 17:19.27 | CrazyGir | hello! I am trying to install a more recent version of pidgin, following these instructions: http://www.pathin.org/tutorials/ubuntu-11-10-debian-6-build-newest-pidgin-from-source/ but when I run build-dep on pidgin, this is what I get: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e7836793/ |
| 17:19.34 | CrazyGir | i have squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2 at present |
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| 17:20.53 | rasca | Hello everyone, I'm trying to add "extract_addresses_remove_arguments = false" to exim4 config, but I'm not sure where to do add it. When I add it to exim4.conf.template I get a "option extract... unknown". Any clues where should I add this option? |
| 17:21.04 | stew | Caspercom: for libnss3-dev, see if installing the bpo version satisfies the build-dep. for the ones that just say "but it is not going to be installed" try installing those directly and see what happens, it might complain about some other pacakge, try installing THAT pacakge and so on until you find a root cause |
| 17:21.09 | stew | CrazyGir: ^^^^ |
| 17:21.10 | stew | Caspercom: sorry, not you |
| 17:21.22 | stew | CrazyGir: sometimes aptitude will try harder than apt-get and figure out a better solution |
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| 17:21.46 | Caspercom | You called me all the way over here for nothing? This hurts my feelings. |
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| 17:22.17 | stew | CrazyGir: note that "___is to be installed" is a lie, it really means "is already installed" |
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| 17:27.05 | sacredchao | stew: For making a proper chroot to use aptitude in, do I need to symlink special dirs like /proc and /dev ? |
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| 17:28.13 | stew | sacredchao: mount --bind is more typically used |
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| 17:28.26 | stew | sacredchao: and you can use schroot to manage these mounts for you, perhaps |
| 17:28.53 | stew | sacredchao: though I'm not sure that they are strictly needed. it may depend on what packages you are installing |
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| 17:29.07 | sacredchao | Ahh, schroot is new to me |
| 17:29.15 | stew | sacredchao: and note that there is also /sys ; /proc and /sys can be just plain mounted in the chroot as well |
| 17:29.20 | sacredchao | I am not installing anything, just downgrading or removing |
| 17:29.36 | hurdos | Hello |
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| 17:30.03 | hurdos | How to add a new user using /etc/default/useradd? |
| 17:30.17 | CrazyGir | stew: thanks, testing out some of those suggestions |
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| 17:30.57 | stew | hurdos: is there a reason would use useradd instead of adduser? |
| 17:31.11 | sacredchao | Most schroot guides I am seeing include using debootstrap to install a new OS which I don't want to do |
| 17:31.17 | CrazyGir | stew: aptitude is indeed a lot smarter :) |
| 17:31.29 | AshleyWaffle | CrazyGir: agreed |
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| 17:31.44 | stew | sacredchao: schroot would be useful if you have multiple chroots that you use often, if this is a one-time thin,g forget it |
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| 17:32.28 | stew | CrazyGir: yes, aptitude will think harder about getting out of a situation, apt-get bails at the first sign of trouble. there are certainly benefits to each model in different situations |
| 17:32.29 | sacredchao | I think I will just use mount --bind on /sys and /proc and /dev |
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| 17:33.09 | sacredchao | Oh crap, I am booted in a 32-bit OS.... *smacks forehead* |
| 17:33.16 | alesan | hey in this installation I have no "sources" I mean if I do apt-get update it does not download anything |
| 17:33.21 | sacredchao | chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 17:33.23 | sacredchao | heh |
| 17:33.29 | alesan | it's a wheezy armhf, how do I know what to put into /etc/apt? |
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| 17:33.47 | stew | sacredchao: and64 install and using a i386 boot disk? |
| 17:33.50 | MO_Handes | I installed libreoffice from squeeze-backports, but it seems than my openoffice is uninstalled now. is this usual?! |
| 17:34.11 | themill | MO_Handes: sure. You can only have one or other installed |
| 17:34.13 | stew | sacredchao: oh, yes, you said that |
| 17:34.28 | nsadmin | alesan. /msg dpkg sources |
| 17:34.35 | themill | alesan: "/msg dpkg mirrors" you might find that not as many mirrors carry armhf at the moment. |
| 17:35.01 | alesan | well I do not need a mirror |
| 17:35.01 | nsadmin | alesan, so in /etc/apt there's not a sources.list? |
| 17:35.25 | themill | alesan: you're planning to use that apt-offline recipe? |
| 17:35.33 | alesan | nsadmin, this was installed with multistrap using a aptproxy |
| 17:35.37 | nsadmin | alesan, true, you don't need to -be- a mirror |
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| 17:35.52 | cibegt | hi |
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| 17:36.42 | nsadmin | alesan, but you do need to -connect- to a mirror which has the packages you would want to install |
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| 17:36.48 | davidWork | I created a slave zone in bind9. I should see the slave file auto populate from the master right? |
| 17:37.01 | cibegt | why doesn't evince show some pdf files not correct? evince shows some lines as dashed lines but xpdf shows them correct! |
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| 17:37.32 | cibegt | why doesn't evince show some pdf files correctly? evince shows some lines as dashed lines but xpdf shows them correctly! |
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| 17:38.20 | nsadmin | alesan, additionally, you might want to -choose- a mirror which is close to you for performance and bandwidth reasons |
| 17:38.36 | alesan | themill, I have installed ppp and I am connected with the board itself now |
| 17:38.37 | hurdos | stew: I just want use default setting |
| 17:38.46 | alesan | so I just want to apt-get update etc |
| 17:39.01 | themill | alesan: ahh. ok. So you do need a mirror in your sources.list then. |
| 17:39.41 | stew | hurdos: ok, but most of the time people should be using adduser (with defaults configured in /etc/adduser.conf) instead of useradd |
| 17:39.44 | davidWork | Is this the correct way to add a slave: http://paste.debian.net/173970/ |
| 17:39.48 | davidWork | to bind9 |
| 17:39.52 | davidWork | its not working |
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| 17:40.35 | davidWork | I think the ; after the ip may not be necessary. |
| 17:40.35 | stew | davidWork: check /var/log/daemon.log for errors. perhaps ask specifically for a zone reload with "rndc reload example.com" and check daemon.log on both servers |
| 17:40.42 | stew | davidWork: it is necessary |
| 17:40.48 | davidWork | thanks |
| 17:40.53 | alesan | themill, so I have choosen a mirror, ftp.it.debian.org, now I need to write this URL into /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:41.55 | themill | alesan: you need to include the the correct URL to the mirror in the correct format. If you "/msg dpkg sources.list" you'll see the correct format for a "squeeze" installation. Change "squeeze" to "wheezy" for your install. You can find more information in sources.list(5). |
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| 17:42.06 | nsadmin | alesan, yes, like this: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 17:42.06 | alesan | I have written in that file: deb http://ftp.it/debian.org/debian armhf main I hope it's correct |
| 17:42.40 | themill | alesan: "armhf" is your architecture and apt already knows that. You want to tell it "wheezy" not "armhf" there. |
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| 17:42.49 | alesan | ok |
| 17:42.50 | hurdos | stew: thanks |
| 17:42.59 | alesan | but apt should know also it's wheezy |
| 17:43.13 | alesan | so I have "main" should I add the "updates" thing? |
| 17:43.21 | themill | alesan: not really -- you might upgrade to something else. Or you might want to have "wheezy/updates" etc too. |
| 17:43.34 | nsadmin | and, you're telling it you want to continue to install wheezy packages |
| 17:43.37 | themill | alesan: yes, although there's nothing there yet. Do pastebin your sources.list when you're finished. |
| 17:44.17 | davidWork | daemon.log looks okay. http://paste.debian.net/173971/ |
| 17:44.23 | davidWork | my transfer is still blank |
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| 17:45.18 | alesan | themill, I am not sure why you say that... I have a single line saying deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian wheezy main |
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| 17:46.06 | sacredchao | stew: I am in the 64-bit live environment now... but I just noticed that the dev directory on my Debian install on my internal SSD (the one I am fixing) is not emptty! |
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| 17:46.11 | stew | alesan: when he says "there's nothing there yet" he means that you can put the security.debian.org line there, but note that wheezy does not yet have security support, so you won't actually be adding anything |
| 17:46.14 | sacredchao | The /sys and /proc dirs are empty |
| 17:46.18 | nsadmin | alesan, it's very difficult to change your arch in midstream, and it is possible to upgrade by altering sources.list... right now, you don't want to upgrade your already established wheezy, so you would put wheezy there. |
| 17:46.44 | alesan | I have wheezy already I setup this rootfs image with multistrap |
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| 17:46.47 | sacredchao | but /dev/ has a bunch of files in it... could they be remaining from when I did a mount --bind on the old 32-bit environment? |
| 17:47.00 | Lartza | Python 2.7 in squeeze? |
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| 17:47.07 | themill | Lartza: no |
| 17:47.23 | stew | sacredchao: this is normal until you have bind mounted those directories from a running root |
| 17:47.29 | themill | alesan: that line is fine. Were you also going to include a security.debian.org line? |
| 17:47.32 | nsadmin | alesan, right. by putting wheezy in the source lihe, you are saying "I want wheezy packages when I ask to install" |
| 17:47.47 | stew | sacredchao: and no, nothing is left over from a mount --bind, it is normal to have a minimal static /dev on a non-running root |
| 17:48.13 | alesan | themill, no, I was just asking if it was a good idea to put something else |
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| 17:48.19 | alesan | I just need a basic system after all |
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| 17:48.40 | themill | alesan: you will also want security support when it's available, won't you? |
| 17:48.58 | alesan | themill, that'd be nice |
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| 17:49.41 | themill | alesan: so you also want, as dpkg said to you, deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 17:49.51 | sacredchao | stew: Ah okay i didn't know! yeah I just mount --bind on the /dev and it worked. I did proc and sys as well, and chrooted. aptitude is complaining about not being able to open lock file @ /var/lock/aptitude |
| 17:49.51 | themill | alesan: just remember that wheezy doesn't yet have security support... |
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| 17:49.54 | isoman2kx | hey guys |
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| 17:50.01 | isoman2kx | how do I copy directories with spaces from one drive to another? |
| 17:50.05 | isoman2kx | there's gotta be a way... lol |
| 17:50.06 | alesan | themill, but will it be automatic then? |
| 17:50.19 | stew | sacredchao: is /var a separate partition that you have not yet mounted? |
| 17:50.28 | themill | alesan: when security support starts, the packages will just be an "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" away |
| 17:50.36 | stew | isoman2kx: cp -r "from here" "to here" |
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| 17:50.45 | isoman2kx | doesn't work |
| 17:50.48 | isoman2kx | not copying them |
| 17:50.51 | alesan | is it bad if I'm using apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 17:50.53 | sacredchao | No, on my Debian install I have / and /home separated logical volumes only (and /boot is unencrypted partitions) |
| 17:50.55 | stew | isoman2kx: be more specific |
| 17:51.03 | isoman2kx | stew: ok, one sec I'll type it |
| 17:51.09 | sacredchao | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jul 25 2011 lock -> /run/lock |
| 17:51.13 | isoman2kx | I'm trying to copy everything from /mnt/ntfs |
| 17:51.17 | isoman2kx | to /mnt/crypto2 |
| 17:51.17 | alesan | I do not even have aptitude installed |
| 17:51.19 | sacredchao | That is what it says on my chroot |
| 17:51.25 | Lartza | Okay I need python 2.7... |
| 17:51.28 | Lartza | Damn |
| 17:51.33 | isoman2kx | ./mnt/ntfs has directories with spaces that NEVER copy over to /mnt/crypto2 |
| 17:51.37 | isoman2kx | I'm using this command |
| 17:51.47 | davidWork | My transfer is still not working. Could someone look at my config please: http://paste.debian.net/173972/ |
| 17:51.50 | isoman2kx | cp -r *.* /mnt/crypto2/ |
| 17:51.58 | isoman2kx | when I'm in the /mnt/nts directory |
| 17:52.01 | stew | sacredchao: ah right, this is going to be because /var/lock is now a symlink into /run/lock, which is typically a tmpfs |
| 17:52.02 | isoman2kx | k done typing :p |
| 17:52.34 | sacredchao | stew: Should I mount --bind /run as well before I chroot? |
| 17:52.57 | stew | sacredchao: does /run/lock exist before you chroot? |
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| 17:53.13 | isoman2kx | thoughts |
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| 17:53.50 | stew | isoman2kx: so you are trying to copy only files that have a period in their name? |
| 17:53.59 | stew | isoman2kx: but some have both a period and a space? |
| 17:54.07 | isoman2kx | mmm, yes. |
| 17:54.23 | alesan | anybody knows the following: I connect to the internet with this USB 3G adapter with the command: pon fastweb |
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| 17:54.53 | stew | isoman2kx: what is an example of a directory name which doesn't copy over? |
| 17:55.01 | isoman2kx | Dexter S01 |
| 17:55.04 | isoman2kx | Dexter S02 |
| 17:55.08 | stew | isoman2kx: that doesn't have a period in the name |
| 17:55.15 | sacredchao | stew: yes, in my live environment, there is /run/lock directory |
| 17:55.16 | isoman2kx | no. space yea |
| 17:55.25 | alesan | how can I make this connection 1) automatic at boot 2) persistent as I do not pay for the time but on traffic I would like it up all the time |
| 17:55.26 | stew | isoman2kx: right but you said *.* and there is no . |
| 17:55.31 | sacredchao | it has /run/lock/lvm2/ and a .ramfs file |
| 17:55.37 | isoman2kx | doesn't *.* just mean copy everything? lol |
| 17:55.40 | isoman2kx | what's the diff? |
| 17:55.51 | alesan | let me explain 2): I want to be able to reach this unit from the internet on ssh, that is why I need the connection always up |
| 17:55.56 | dvs | isoman2kx: *.* expects a "." in the name |
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| 17:55.58 | stew | isoman2kx: no, * means everything, *.* means "a . with anything before it and anything after it" |
| 17:55.59 | kevlarman | isoman2kx: no *.* does not mean copy everything |
| 17:56.08 | davidWork | My bind9 zone transfer is still not working. I am trying to set up the slave. Could someone look at my config please: http://paste.debian.net/173972/ |
| 17:56.09 | isoman2kx | oh, well **** me. lol |
| 17:56.14 | isoman2kx | so * will do the trick? |
| 17:56.17 | kevlarman | stew: * means everything that doesn't start with a . |
| 17:56.24 | stew | and in that case "**** me" the *s mean "fuck" |
| 17:56.28 | dvs | that's START with a . |
| 17:56.31 | isoman2kx | lmao |
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| 17:56.53 | isoman2kx | so what is it then |
| 17:56.58 | isoman2kx | cp -r ? |
| 17:57.01 | isoman2kx | cp -r * |
| 17:57.06 | sacredchao | Though you could copy .* if you wanted those, too |
| 17:57.17 | stew | kevlarman: right |
| 17:57.26 | sacredchao | isoman2kx: missing destination argument |
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| 17:58.12 | isoman2kx | " cp -u * /mnt/crypto2/" |
| 17:58.23 | isoman2kx | while I'm in |
| 17:58.26 | isoman2kx | ./mnt/ntfs |
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| 17:58.49 | sacredchao | stew: You think I should also mount --bind /run/lock/ (or maybe even just /run/ ?) |
| 17:58.56 | stew | sacredchao: just /run |
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| 17:59.07 | sacredchao | ok |
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| 17:59.17 | isoman2kx | eh? |
| 17:59.23 | isoman2kx | cp -u * /mnt/crypto2/ |
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| 17:59.47 | sacredchao | Yay aptitude doesn't complain! |
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| 18:00.28 | stew | isoman2kx: i you want -r as well |
| 18:00.36 | stew | s/i // |
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| 18:01.26 | sacredchao | isoman2kx: You could also use rsync :-) |
| 18:01.38 | isoman2kx | rsync? |
| 18:01.40 | isoman2kx | how? |
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| 18:02.06 | isoman2kx | ok, I downloaded it now what |
| 18:02.12 | stew | rsync -r /mnt/ntfs/ /mnt/crypto2/ |
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| 18:02.49 | stew | isoman2kx: you might read about what rsync does and its myriad of options |
| 18:02.51 | sacredchao | isoman2kx: man rsync is a good starting point, but yeah like stew showed you the recursive switch is the same as the cp command |
| 18:02.52 | isoman2kx | and that'll copy everyting, all directories and such? |
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| 18:03.09 | stew | isoman2kx: and pay particular attention to how it treats trailing slashes |
| 18:03.13 | sacredchao | rsync is awesomely powerful |
| 18:03.27 | sacredchao | stew: aptitude works, downgraded cryptsetup with success! |
| 18:03.33 | isoman2kx | stew: trailing slashes? why? |
| 18:03.36 | sacredchao | I shall now attempt booting from SSD install |
| 18:03.52 | stew | isoman2kx: because rsync -r /mnt/ntfs/ /mnt/crypto2/ does something different than rsync -r /mnt/ntfs/ /mnt/crypto2 |
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| 18:06.27 | isoman2kx | oh |
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| 18:06.38 | isoman2kx | how do I delete everything in a directory? I want to start over on this copy |
| 18:06.39 | isoman2kx | lol |
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| 18:06.56 | stew | isoman2kx: no, you probably don't, you probably just want to add --delete to rsync |
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| 18:07.15 | stew | (which says "delete stuff on target not in source" |
| 18:07.18 | stew | ) |
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| 18:07.41 | isoman2kx | rsync -r --delete /mnt/ntfs /mnt/crypto2 |
| 18:07.42 | isoman2kx | like that? |
| 18:07.43 | future | #debian-es |
| 18:07.54 | isoman2kx | oh wait |
| 18:08.00 | isoman2kx | rsync -r --delete /mnt/ntfs/ /mnt/crypto2/ |
| 18:08.00 | isoman2kx | ? |
| 18:08.09 | stew | either |
| 18:08.23 | stew | but not rsync -r --delete /mnt/ntfs /mnt/crypto2/ |
| 18:08.28 | isoman2kx | cool |
| 18:08.37 | stew | as that one created a /mnt/crypto2/ntfs directory which isn't want you want |
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| 18:09.03 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a tool that generates traffic statistics? I have a small server, that has an external traffic warning as a simple intrusion detection. This is configured to a rather low value, so when I get a warning I want to be able to find the reason quickly. |
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| 18:09.22 | ElDiabolo | (a simple tool) |
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| 18:09.47 | joltcan | ElDiabolo: You mean you want a graph of some kind? Or do you want to generate traffic? |
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| 18:10.42 | ElDiabolo | joltcan, No, I want to see outgoing and incoming traffic by hour and protocol. |
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| 18:11.19 | ElDiabolo | joltcan, No graph needed. |
| 18:11.21 | joltcan | ElDiabolo: Sorry, no idea |
| 18:11.23 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: ntop, mtrg, munin |
| 18:11.25 | phorce1 | any relatively easy way to reset the entire usb bus on squeeze with kernel 2.6.32-5-686 without a reboot? |
| 18:11.48 | isoman2kx | cool |
| 18:11.50 | jmd | How do I set mz kezboard mapping to US _ |
| 18:12.01 | isoman2kx | thanks stew and sacredchao |
| 18:12.02 | isoman2kx | :) |
| 18:12.09 | bardzusny | phorce1: how about reloading usb modules? |
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| 18:12.21 | stew | jmd: in X or in console? |
| 18:12.37 | jmd | Well both. But X will be a start. |
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| 18:12.47 | stew | jmd: setxkbmap us |
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| 18:12.56 | stew | didn't we do this like a week ago? |
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| 18:13.31 | phorce1 | bardzusny: ERROR: Module usb_storage is in use <--- won't let me remove them |
| 18:13.57 | trysten | hiya debian, i just installed nagios, but i can't get it to work. i even followed debian specific instructions (creating /etc/nagios/htpasswd.users nagiosadmin) and i can't get apache to respond.. it's not in sites-enabled, could that be the problem? |
| 18:14.03 | jmd | stew, Yeah we did. I forgot the answer. |
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| 18:14.31 | mntzn | trysten: try zabbix :) |
| 18:14.33 | jmd | I should have also asked how to make the change permanent, but on a *per machine* basis. |
| 18:14.52 | isoman2kx | wonder why my samba connections aren't showing up anymore |
| 18:14.57 | nkuttler | !tell jmd about keymap |
| 18:14.57 | bardzusny | phorce1: you first must remove modules that depend on usb_storage |
| 18:15.02 | isoman2kx | my debian server and this computer are part of the same homegroup |
| 18:15.07 | bardzusny | ehci-hcd, usbcore - two that come to minde |
| 18:15.18 | trysten | mntzn: haha! alright, ill check it out |
| 18:15.19 | phorce1 | bardzusny: and I have an instance of lsusb running that won't die. No clue what has gone sideways |
| 18:15.21 | stew | trysten: no, it doesn't need to be in sites-enabled becuase it drops a snippet into /etc/apache2/conf.d/nagios3.conf |
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| 18:15.38 | stew | trysten: what do you mean by "can't get apache to respond"? |
| 18:15.48 | stew | trysten: do you get connection refused? 404? 500? 401? |
| 18:15.58 | trysten | stew: yes it does. i checked that out, and it's pointing to the httpasswd.users |
| 18:16.00 | trysten | i get.. nothing |
| 18:16.01 | sacredchao | stew: So it didn't work, I came back to my live environment and this time mounted /boot into my chroot so it could update initramfs (good idea?) |
| 18:16.11 | stew | trysten: so a connection timeout eventually? |
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| 18:16.18 | trysten | 301 |
| 18:16.18 | stew | trysten: or what do you mean by "nothing"? |
| 18:16.26 | stew | trysten: to what page? |
| 18:16.39 | trysten | wget seems to be telling me my ajaxterm entry is foobaring it. i'll remove it. |
| 18:17.01 | phorce1 | bardzusny: heh, rmmod uhci_hcd worked OK, then rmmod ehci_hcd hung no error, but not completing. Looks like reboot time |
| 18:17.18 | stew | sacredchao: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
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| 18:17.56 | jmd | nkuttler, The problem doesn't seem to be with the default settings, but with whatever overrides them. |
| 18:18.01 | trysten | ok stew, it's 401. but my browser is not prompting me for a password. |
| 18:18.14 | trysten | it must still be my fault, somehow.. |
| 18:18.34 | nkuttler | jmd: are you using something like gnome or kde? |
| 18:18.50 | trysten | yup, worked in iceweasel. wtf. |
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| 18:19.02 | jmd | nkuttler, Not as a rule, no. |
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| 18:20.08 | sacredchao | stew: Okay I am closer... the error is gone with the cryptsetup in testing and an updated initramfs |
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| 18:20.26 | sacredchao | But now I think /etc/crypttab is incorrect because it couldn't find my logical volumes! |
| 18:20.35 | sacredchao | or volume group... I must check the uuid I guess |
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| 18:21.05 | stew | sacredchao: sounds like you should file a bug |
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| 18:21.45 | sacredchao | stew: I want to file a bug, apparently one other guy so far on had this issue and also didn't file a bug report |
| 18:21.55 | sacredchao | I don't have an email setup atm to file one, although I wouldn't mind writing it up |
| 18:22.08 | sacredchao | But as I see it, I am past the original issue now that I have downgraded |
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| 18:22.57 | sacredchao | sda4_crypt UUID=5cea0abd-1e83-40f1-8f13-161f1882b20d none luks |
| 18:23.18 | sacredchao | Can I just use "sda4_crypt /dev/sda4 none luks" instead of the UUID? |
| 18:24.09 | sacredchao | I think I can, I try that |
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| 18:26.21 | MO_Handes | where are Iceweasel cookies stored? |
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| 18:27.30 | bardzusny | MO_Handes: ~/.mozilla |
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| 18:34.12 | davidWork | My bind9 zone transfer is still not working. I am trying to set up the slave. Could someone look at my config please: http://paste.debian.net/173972/ |
| 18:35.07 | sacredchao | stew: Got it! The initramfs that was generated under the chroot after cryptsetup reinstall was faulty |
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| 18:35.29 | sacredchao | I just booted from an older kernel/initramfs I had installed and it found the LVM vg and lv's with no problem |
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| 18:35.50 | karlpinc | davidWork: Look at the logs. (Also, the master must notify the slave when a zone changes, or else wait for the slave to eventually get around to reloading the zone.) |
| 18:36.37 | davidWork | I changed a setting now it says: Jun 11 11:06:27 inndns02 named[1975]: transfer of 'innovationnetworks.com/IN' from 10.1.1.12#53: Transfer completed: 1 messages, 64 records, 1736 bytes, 0.229 secs (7580 bytes/sec) |
| 18:36.45 | davidWork | Thats a success right? |
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| 18:37.16 | karlpinc | davidWork: Looks right to me. |
| 18:37.28 | davidWork | since I ran rndc reload innovationnetworks.com i should not have to wait for a transfer right? |
| 18:37.46 | karlpinc | davidWork: You can use dig to investigate. (bind9-utils package?) |
| 18:38.06 | davidWork | I will try that. Thanks |
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| 18:38.55 | karlpinc | davidWork: Right, but you want to test so that if you change the master it does not take secondary-refresh-time seconds to propigate to the slave. That could be a long time. |
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| 18:40.39 | davidWork | karlpinc: dig confirms the master answers. /var/log/daemon.log looks like its a success. But when I cat the zone file it is still empty |
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| 18:41.30 | davidWork | karlpinc: I have incremented the version number on the master. |
| 18:41.42 | karlpinc | davidWork: Hard to say. It only needs the file on startup, so may not have gotten around to writing it. Also, the slave zones get written somewhere other than the masters. |
| 18:42.23 | davidWork | I specified where to save the slave in named.conf |
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| 18:43.13 | karlpinc | davidWork: You can probably send a signal/use rndc to force a write to the file. |
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| 18:43.32 | davidWork | karlpinc: I will look into that. Thanks for your help |
| 18:44.09 | Lartza | What's the best way to get python 2.7 to Squeeze? Probably side by side with 2.6 but still from where and how :) |
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| 18:46.36 | karlpinc | ,versions python2.7 |
| 18:46.37 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- sid: 2.7.3~rc2-2.1; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-2.1 |
| 18:46.46 | isoman2kx | wonder why my samba connections aren't showing up anymore |
| 18:46.48 | isoman2kx | my debian server and this computer are part of the same homegroup |
| 18:46.59 | isoman2kx | smb.conf is right I think lol |
| 18:47.09 | karlpinc | Lartza: I suppose you could backport it yourself. See the <ssb> factoid. I don't know how well that would work. |
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| 18:47.37 | Lartza | karlpinc, Mhh yeah it also seems I need few other packages too, twisted cython jinja2 and zope.interface |
| 18:47.52 | Lartza | What repository is cl.debian.org? |
| 18:48.25 | karlpinc | Lartza: Probably varies. 'cl' is a country code, right? |
| 18:48.32 | Lartza | Oh yeah |
| 18:48.37 | Lartza | chile |
| 18:49.27 | Lartza | The instructions I have that claim to make things work include me adding "deb http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free" to sources.list |
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| 18:49.53 | karlpinc | Lartza: Mixing releases like that is a very good way to break your system. |
| 18:49.54 | Lartza | also security.debian.org |
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| 18:50.00 | Lartza | Yeah... |
| 18:50.14 | Lartza | Why isn't 2.7 in Squeeze? |
| 18:50.39 | simonlnu | because |
| 18:50.51 | karlpinc | Lartza: You could also completely forgo the debian package management system and do something direct with python's systems. But you have to manage the result. |
| 18:50.55 | karlpinc | !stable |
| 18:50.55 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 18:51.11 | Lartza | Afterall 2.7 is yet again a package from 2010 and Squeeze is 2012... |
| 18:51.12 | davidWork | karlpinc: I found this in daemon.log: Jun 11 11:49:09 inndns02 named[1975]: dumping master file: slave/tmp-ZyrHOGGfLv: open: file not found |
| 18:51.30 | Lartza | Oh wait no.. |
| 18:51.39 | Lartza | Damn |
| 18:51.41 | Lartza | Mhh |
| 18:51.47 | karlpinc | davidWork: Probably the directory does not exist, or something like that. |
| 18:51.56 | themill | Lartza: it's a huge amount of work to introduce a new version of python into the archive |
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| 18:52.23 | Lartza | Stuff don't work with 2.6 anymore though in some cases :/ |
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| 18:52.35 | themill | nonsense |
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| 18:52.51 | themill | there's very very very little that is 2.7-specific |
| 18:52.59 | Lartza | themill, Well I am currently in such situation unless I messed something up |
| 18:53.05 | stew | Lartza: note that sqeueeze was frozen in 2010 |
| 18:53.15 | Lartza | stew, Yeah just realized |
| 18:53.22 | karlpinc | Lartza: Tell us what you're trying to do. Maybe we can suggest a better way. |
| 18:53.31 | Lartza | karlpinc, pyspades server with arena script |
| 18:53.56 | Lartza | for Ace of Spades game it's an alternative server and arena.py is an user contributed gamemode for it |
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| 18:54.07 | sacredchao | My X11 server is not starting: http://paste.debian.net/173978 |
| 18:54.13 | Lartza | It works vanilla but the script won't run thus it is complaining about an invalid gamemode |
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| 18:54.47 | Lartza | http://code.google.com/p/pyspades/source/browse/contrib/scripts/arena.py I am not familiar enough with python to tell if there is anything 2.7 specific |
| 18:55.35 | themill | nothing that I can see |
| 18:56.10 | Lartza | themill, Well I am getting an "invalid game mode" error and it could be that the underlying pyspades is not working fully in the first place |
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| 18:56.20 | Lartza | Since that was made for 2.7 |
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| 18:56.31 | themill | do you have python-twisted installed? |
| 18:56.32 | Lartza | I already had to get cython for backports for it to even get cythoned without errors |
| 18:56.45 | Lartza | themill, Yes |
| 18:56.49 | themill | sure, cython is a fast-moving target; python is not |
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| 18:57.07 | Lartza | It's a requirement for the pyspades server itself (twisted) |
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| 18:57.18 | jelly-home | pypy has a funny name! |
| 18:57.22 | Lartza | themill, Here is the vague error http://pastebin.com/V3bgigLx |
| 18:58.59 | Lartza | And after disabling "disco" script, http://pastebin.com/NVcb5CM5 |
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| 18:59.46 | jexmex | I just installed xfce4 through synaptic, but I cannot figure out how to add it to the login screen area so I can select it to login with |
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| 19:02.32 | davidWork | karlpinc: Fixed it. Permissions on the zone file were too tight. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:02.32 | Guest52377 | jemex, are you using gdm or kdm? |
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| 19:04.38 | jexmex | gdm but I also installed kdm, but dont know what to do with that |
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| 19:08.26 | Doobie-420 | jemex, you should just be able to select xfce4-session in the session field, is it not there? |
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| 19:09.12 | MO_Handes | is "sid" a codename for Debian 8 or just something to call unstable packages? |
| 19:09.45 | themill | MO_Handes: unstable is always sid; sid will never be released. |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | neither will unstable .. |
| 19:10.11 | abrotman | :() |
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| 19:11.11 | themill | Lartza: I think you're going to need to talk to the authors of this thing. There's nowhere near enough information in those backtraces to work out what its issue is. If you really want to try python 2.7, then you can do so inside a chroot quite easily, but I very much doubt it will change anything. |
| 19:11.53 | MO_Handes | how can I extract my Iceweasel cookies.sqlite file to human readable? |
| 19:12.20 | Lartza | themill, Yeah I am currently trying to compile 2.7 and then virtualenv pyspades |
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| 19:13.54 | Adya | Hi:) |
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| 19:14.48 | Adya | What is an alternative to wvdial? |
| 19:14.52 | themill | MO_Handes: http://paste.debian.net/173981/ (output is usable by curl or wget) |
| 19:14.53 | MO_Handes | what usually backup file are named? for example if I like to create a backup of my ~/.mozilla directory. what should I name it to be so standard that other users can find it easily? |
| 19:15.28 | jordanm | MO_Handes: mv ~/.mozilla{,.bak} |
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| 19:15.55 | abrotman | Adya: pppconfig |
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| 19:17.11 | Adya | Is it already included in debian squezee? |
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| 19:18.18 | kaste | hi, i am installing a squeeze machine and i got address space collision on of(sic) device |
| 19:18.30 | Adya | Or i should apt-get it? |
| 19:18.42 | Adya | Abrotman? |
| 19:18.47 | kaste | some bla about the cache then run-init: /sbin/init: I/O error |
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| 19:18.58 | kaste | Kernel panic ... yada |
| 19:19.03 | kaste | what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:19.43 | sacredchao | KDE question: kdm crashes and fails to load X11 with this in /var/log/kdm.log : "kdmgreet: Fatal IO error: client killed" |
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| 19:20.22 | sacredchao | And before it fails, it shows an X11 error message as x-server tries to start saying something about @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@ |
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| 19:20.56 | abrotman | Adya: seems obvious to me .. |
| 19:20.58 | guest_1 | This command did nothing should it install and do everything that ia needed or am I missing something http://paste.debian.net/173983/ |
| 19:21.11 | sacredchao | "Cannot open theme file @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@" |
| 19:21.21 | Adya | thinks that there more questions than answers in this channel:) |
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| 19:24.16 | bardzusny | Adya: apt-get pppconfig |
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| 19:24.26 | bardzusny | apt-get install pppconfig* |
| 19:27.43 | Adya | Bardzusny, but i need it to connect to the internet via my 3g dongle because I have no other way to connect to it. So, what pakages should I download in the office, to get all working at home? (now I'm at home) |
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| 19:29.13 | Adya | It's very important for me |
| 19:29.38 | bardzusny | apt-get install pppconfig, see what packages it plans to install, download them from packages.debian.org |
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| 19:30.25 | stew | Adya: "apt-get --print-uris install pppconfig" will give you a list of urls to packages you need |
| 19:31.46 | Adya | THANK YOU! |
| 19:31.58 | Adya | Will it work with wvdial? |
| 19:32.04 | stew | with anything |
| 19:32.13 | bardzusny | stew, I thank you too |
| 19:32.22 | bardzusny | it's nice to find better ways to do the old thing |
| 19:32.30 | Adya | Apt-get --print-uris wvdial |
| 19:32.31 | stew | apt-zip is a package which will go a step farther and take the output of --print-uris to create a script you can run somewhere else |
| 19:32.44 | stew | Adya: apt-get not Apt-get and you missed "install" |
| 19:32.57 | kaste | what package could i check the integrity of an usb stick with? |
| 19:33.07 | Adya | Ok:) |
| 19:33.14 | Adya | Thank you:) |
| 19:33.26 | bardzusny | stew: you probably want fsck? |
| 19:33.52 | bardzusny | probably dosfstools, unless you use ext2/3/4 on it |
| 19:34.29 | Adya | apt-get --print-uris install wvdial |
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| 19:36.02 | bardzusny | Adya: actually, try apt-get --print-uris -y install wvdial |
| 19:36.08 | bardzusny | it will be even nicer :) |
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| 19:36.42 | Adya | What is -y? |
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| 19:37.10 | bardzusny | try both options |
| 19:37.24 | bardzusny | (hint: "yes") |
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| 19:38.27 | Adya | Hah:) |
| 19:38.29 | Adya | Ok |
| 19:38.34 | guest_1 | bardzusny: Is this a proper command http://paste.debian.net/173983 |
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| 19:39.47 | nkuttler | guest_1: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 19:45.56 | zw | Hi there. Someone ever seen an attack tcp based from and to port 1234 <-> 80 ? |
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| 19:47.53 | Spechal | Does anyone know of a resource I can rsync from that has a repo for Sarge? I see the files I want on archive.debian.org but no info on an rsync |
| 19:48.10 | Spechal | I know, sarge is old and dead, but I still have to support them |
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| 19:49.46 | alesan | any hints how to create an always-on ppp connection? |
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| 19:51.38 | Spechal | Nevermind, I found one ... http://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu/debian-archive/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/ |
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| 19:52.26 | stew | Spechal: do we even want to know why you might want to do this? |
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| 19:55.34 | davidWork | How can I tell if bind is answering querys or just passing it to my primary? |
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| 19:56.29 | stew | davidWork: should the bind you are querying for be authoritative for the query? |
| 19:57.13 | davidWork | Its a 2nd dns in case the primary goes down. The primary is currently windows. Once this is working I will rebuild the primary as bind. |
| 19:57.30 | karlpinc | davidWork: The way to know for certain is to use tcpdump to watch the traffic between the slave and the primary. |
| 19:58.05 | davidWork | Can I view active outgoing connections from debian? |
| 19:58.17 | stew | it wouldn't necessarily be a connection |
| 19:58.28 | stew | davidWork: but netstat is the tool you would use |
| 19:58.41 | davidWork | I can see the zone files it pulled from the primary. Does that prove it is working? |
| 19:59.25 | stew | davidWork: I'd want to see that it is answering authoritatively, you should be able to "dig hostname nameserver" and see the answer in the AUTHORITY SECTION |
| 19:59.41 | karlpinc | davidWork: Thing is, dns will use udp, so you won't see the "connection" bot for an instant in netstat. |
| 19:59.55 | stew | (and you can do queries like "dig -t A hostname nameserver" or "dig -t NS hostname nameserver" for specific record types |
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| 20:00.37 | davidWork | the slave bind server answers authoritatively. does that mean it did not ask the master? |
| 20:01.05 | guest_1 | nkuttler m |
| 20:01.09 | davidWork | I asked it something that I had not transferred and it was not authoritative. I think that proves it is working |
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| 20:02.30 | stew | davidWork: it either says "I know how to do this directly, since i'm the authority, and I have the info here" or "I'm not the authority, this is a recursive query, lets try to figure out who the authoritative nameservers are and ask them" |
| 20:02.49 | stew | davidWork: (and you should consider not allowing recursive queries unless they are needed to serve internal hosts) |
| 20:03.01 | davidWork | This is external only. |
| 20:03.20 | stew | davidWork: then the query that you did which was not authoritative should probably not be allowed |
| 20:03.35 | guest_1 | nkuttler I did the /msg dpkg nvidia dkms tried to change the resolution and the display is unreadable totally scrambled |
| 20:03.39 | davidWork | Can I fix that by removing the start of authority? |
| 20:04.08 | karlpinc | davidWork: You'll also want to be sure that the zone has the slave as an NS record, and in the case of workstations you'll want dhcp, or whatever, to use the slave instead of the master for name resolution. Real dns servers will failover between NS records, but workstations don't do that very well. |
| 20:04.15 | stew | davidWork: no, you probably want "allow-recursion { localnets; };" |
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| 20:04.18 | nkuttler | guest_1: huh? what does that have to do with resolution? |
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| 20:04.53 | karlpinc | davidWork: What stew is saying is that you don't want your nameserver to be able to be used by the world to resolve arbitrary names. |
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| 20:05.25 | stew | yes. i've left that open in the past to find out that someone was using me as a TCP over DNS proxy, running up my bandwidth |
| 20:05.39 | dvs | slinks away |
| 20:05.47 | stew | was it you! |
| 20:05.48 | davidWork | So if I disallow recursion then it will only answer if it is authoritative. Since this is a public only dns that is the best policy. |
| 20:05.50 | karlpinc | stew: Me too. |
| 20:06.13 | dvs | Nah! That's all Greek to me. |
| 20:06.29 | stew | davidWork: yes, people should probably have no reason to ask your DNS server about anything other than the DNS for which it is authoritative. for random other queries, they should have their own nameservers |
| 20:06.30 | karlpinc | davidWork: Makes sense to me. |
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| 20:06.41 | guest_1 | I was installing the nvidia drivers. and after install I saw no nvidia settings manager . I tried to change the resolution and the monitor went unreadable |
| 20:07.05 | karsten | There's a way to set noitification levels and preferences when installing packages with changed conffiles. Trying to recall what / where this si set. |
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| 20:07.29 | karlpinc | stew: I figured out it was spammers, that had configured their zombies to use my dns. :-( |
| 20:07.56 | stew | karlpinc: way to contribute to the global spam proble, jerk! :P |
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| 20:08.06 | stew | karsten: i'm not sure you can change that |
| 20:08.11 | dvs | heh |
| 20:08.48 | davidWork | thanks again for all your help |
| 20:08.50 | karlpinc | stew: You gotta be fair. When I first setup the server there was no global spam problem. |
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| 20:09.04 | dvs | until then! |
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| 20:09.11 | stew | I retract my previous statment |
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| 20:09.34 | guest_1 | Is there anyway to restore the resolution to default if the display is unreadable |
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| 20:11.11 | karsten | stew: I know it's an option on most Debian/Ubuntu installs at the very least. |
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| 20:11.57 | BrightSky | guest_1: check for /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:12.07 | BrightSky | if no screen res is set in there, set one |
| 20:12.13 | dawud | karsten: debconf --priority maybe? |
| 20:12.15 | themill | karsten: what do you mean by "notification levels"? |
| 20:12.19 | stew | karsten: oh, i guess there are the confold/confnew/confmiss/confdef options to dpkg |
| 20:12.31 | stew | dawud: that's just debconf, not conffiles |
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| 20:12.44 | dawud | wild guess :) |
| 20:12.51 | stew | dawud: we don't like those |
| 20:12.51 | guest_1 | BrightSky: the display is all scrambled |
| 20:13.01 | dawud | stew: fair enough |
| 20:13.33 | stew | karsten: as specified in "/msg dpkg confmiss" see "man dpkg" for the explanation of those, note that they won't affect configuration files which aren't conffiles which are managed by ucf(1), that has it's own mechanisms |
| 20:13.36 | themill | dawud: tbf, I did wonder if karsten was asking about debconf prompts not conffile prompts too. |
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| 20:14.02 | themill | karsten: (for them, you can /msg dpkg ucf confmiss) |
| 20:14.05 | karsten | stew: Thanks, I think this is it. Sounds like those are one-time settings, not systemwide configurations. Which actually fits my use-case better. |
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| 20:14.30 | karsten | AWS host configuration w/ chef and stuff. |
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| 20:16.38 | twobitsprite | are there *any* window managers that gracefully handle having displays added and removed? |
| 20:17.17 | guest_1 | I'm in recovery mode at a command prompt is there a way to set the resolution from here |
| 20:17.23 | stew | twobitsprite: i'm using awesome which works fine |
| 20:17.26 | sxpert1 | has chromium issues... crashes when typing stuff at random intervals |
| 20:17.42 | twobitsprite | there's a wm called awesome? I must check this out :) |
| 20:17.45 | sxpert1 | for instance, when starting to type in some text box |
| 20:17.59 | stew | twobitsprite: yeah its pretty... uh, what's the word i'm looking for? |
| 20:18.01 | karsten | Thanks, guys. |
| 20:18.05 | karsten | twobitsprite: It's awesome. |
| 20:18.09 | stew | that's it |
| 20:18.12 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 20:18.12 | karsten | ... for those who hate mice. |
| 20:18.22 | twobitsprite | I'm not a huge fan of mice... |
| 20:18.39 | twobitsprite | is it a DE, or just a WM? will it play well with DE's? |
| 20:19.28 | twobitsprite | also, lol... "and who want to have fine-grained control on theirs graphical environment." |
| 20:19.37 | karsten | twobitsprite: xmonad is the other one the cool kids use. Probably plays a bit prickly with DEs that assume windows are free-floating, though you're welcome to try. |
| 20:19.40 | twobitsprite | that's like misspelling "detail oriented" on your resume :P |
| 20:20.08 | stew | just a wm. it adhere's to icccm, so it generally plays well with stuff like "desktop switchers" and has a systray to accept systray icons and such |
| 20:20.16 | karsten | is detial oirented. |
| 20:20.22 | stew | and supports ewmh |
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| 20:21.03 | twobitsprite | stew: I was thinking more specifically replacing xfwm in xfce |
| 20:21.23 | stew | twobitsprite: I don't see why not |
| 20:21.33 | stew | twobitsprite: that's the type of thing these standards exist for |
| 20:21.46 | stew | though I know almost nothing specifically about xfce |
| 20:22.17 | twobitsprite | sounds like it's worth a try |
| 20:22.17 | stew | I do run stuff like gnome-settigns-daemon still |
| 20:23.02 | twobitsprite | and when you say it handles displays well... does it do smart things like move all the windows from the detached display on to the remaining display? |
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| 20:23.20 | stew | twobitsprite: yes |
| 20:23.24 | twobitsprite | yay |
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| 20:23.48 | LittleFoot | guize? |
| 20:23.58 | LittleFoot | my annoying pc speaker beep is back |
| 20:24.00 | LittleFoot | Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 20:24.12 | stew | twobitsprite: and has keyboard shortcuts for stuff like "throw this window to the other display" or "switch focus to the other display" |
| 20:24.31 | stew | LittleFoot: /msg dpkg bell |
| 20:24.53 | psiklops | guest_1, did you find an answer ? |
| 20:25.08 | mivulf | if I want to bite off 100gb from ext4 to ntfs, which way is better? boot from livecd, and use parted? or.. |
| 20:25.10 | guest_1 | xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1600x1200? |
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| 20:25.26 | LittleFoot | stew is the term comand a permanent fix? |
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| 20:25.52 | stew | LittleFoot: what is the term command? |
| 20:25.56 | guest_1 | psiklops: I only have one monitor do I need the 1 behind VGA |
| 20:25.57 | psiklops | guest_1, do you want to adjust for one time safemode ? |
| 20:25.59 | rootant | hi in need some help in upgrading from sqeeze to testing |
| 20:26.23 | jexmex | Doobie-420, sorry had a meeting...no it only shows default TMK and something else |
| 20:26.25 | LittleFoot | "setterm -blength 0" in console |
| 20:26.34 | stew | LittleFoot: until that term is reset |
| 20:26.42 | stew | LittleFoot: so until you logout |
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| 20:27.15 | LittleFoot | yeah i remember editing a file |
| 20:27.18 | psiklops | guest_1, checkout google: edit grub on boot frambuffer |
| 20:27.20 | LittleFoot | comon stew |
| 20:27.24 | stew | I do that all the time |
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| 20:27.41 | psiklops | framebuffer guest_1 |
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| 20:28.10 | guest_1 | psiklops: ok looking |
| 20:28.42 | rootant | http://wklej.org/id/771584/ |
| 20:28.59 | rootant | guys? |
| 20:29.11 | stew | rootant: did you have a debian related question? |
| 20:29.18 | rootant | 21:28 < rootant> http://wklej.org/id/771584/ |
| 20:29.33 | rootant | i'm upgrading from sqeeze to testing and it blows me such thing |
| 20:29.41 | dvs | looks like someone has been mixing releases |
| 20:29.53 | rootant | i'm doung a dist-upgrade |
| 20:29.56 | rootant | doing* |
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| 20:30.07 | LittleFoot | gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:30.11 | LittleFoot | blacklist pcspkr |
| 20:30.12 | themill | rootant: can you describe what you've done so far for us? |
| 20:30.13 | LittleFoot | there |
| 20:30.16 | LittleFoot | fools |
| 20:30.51 | rootant | themill: i've added testing to sources.lst, removed sqeeze repos and made apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:30.57 | themill | LittleFoot: is that your strange way of thanking all the people who have spent so long helping you? |
| 20:31.06 | psiklops | rootant, paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:31.08 | LittleFoot | lo.ol |
| 20:31.13 | LittleFoot | dun take it to heard |
| 20:31.14 | LittleFoot | t |
| 20:31.23 | LittleFoot | also rmmod pcspkr |
| 20:31.46 | rootant | psiklops: the only uncommented line there is deb http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 20:32.13 | stew | rootant: the problem looks to obviously be a problem with apt-listchanges. did you check the bts for that? |
| 20:32.25 | rootant | no |
| 20:32.28 | themill | looks similar to #676483 |
| 20:32.36 | stew | i remember this one being filed already |
| 20:32.48 | rootant | but i really would like to upgrade this system tonight :< |
| 20:32.56 | themill | yeah, that's the second half; #676483 is the first half |
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| 20:33.07 | rootant | themill: so what should i do? |
| 20:33.16 | themill | #602176 |
| 20:33.19 | stew | right |
| 20:34.04 | stew | rootant: did you read those bug reports? |
| 20:34.32 | themill | rootant: if you try "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" what happens? |
| 20:34.35 | stew | rootant: the one can probably be fixed by fixing your locales |
| 20:34.42 | stew | the apt-listchanges bug that is |
| 20:35.15 | themill | I've looked at /usr/share/apt-listchanges/ALChacks.py a couple of times and I can't understand how it's supposed to ever work |
| 20:35.54 | rootant | stew: i've changed the LANG var to show you the errors in english |
| 20:35.56 | stew | the coder must be mad |
| 20:36.11 | themill | heh |
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| 20:36.29 | rootant | themill: http://wklej.org/id/771592/ |
| 20:36.56 | themill | ok, so that works around the apt-listchanges bug at least |
| 20:37.20 | rootant | so what now? |
| 20:37.29 | stew | rootant: check the bts for python-uno? |
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| 20:38.21 | rootant | stew: no related bugs there |
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| 20:40.43 | rootant | stew: is it possible to downgrade already upgraded packages to sqeeze now? |
| 20:40.44 | stew | judd: file usr/lib/libreoffice/program/unopkg.bin |
| 20:40.47 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 20:40.51 | rootant | themill: ? |
| 20:40.55 | stew | judd: file usr/lib/libreoffice/program/unopkg.bin wheezy |
| 20:40.57 | jordanm | why does that package version have '%' in it? |
| 20:40.59 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 20:41.08 | stew | jordanm: because of the epoch |
| 20:41.10 | jordanm | ,file unopkg.bin sid |
| 20:41.14 | judd | Search for unopkg.bin in squeeze/i386: openoffice.org-core: usr/lib/openoffice/program/unopkg.bin; openoffice.org-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/openoffice/program/unopkg.bin |
| 20:41.34 | jordanm | ,depends python-uno |
| 20:41.35 | judd | Package python-uno in squeeze/i386 -- depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze4), python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.6), python-central (>= 0.6.11), libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libpython2.6 (>= 2.6), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libstlport4.6ldbl, ure (>= 1.4.0). |
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| 20:42.06 | jordanm | ,file unopkg.bin wheezy |
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| 20:42.10 | judd | Search for unopkg.bin in squeeze/i386: openoffice.org-core: usr/lib/openoffice/program/unopkg.bin; openoffice.org-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/openoffice/program/unopkg.bin |
| 20:42.11 | stew | ,file unopkg.bin --release wheezy |
| 20:42.17 | judd | Search for unopkg.bin in wheezy/i386: libreoffice-core: usr/lib/libreoffice/program/unopkg.bin; libreoffice-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/unopkg.bin |
| 20:43.04 | stew | so probably it misses a pre-depends |
| 20:43.15 | stew | since it fails in pre-inst |
| 20:43.24 | rootant | so what now? |
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| 20:44.03 | rootant | stew: should i remove libreoffice and that package? |
| 20:44.54 | stew | rootant: we should figure out where the bug is so we can get the bug filed |
| 20:44.59 | jamesd | no, think of the documents, and pointless sharepoint presentations forwarded by your aunts and unckles.... |
| 20:45.24 | themill | jordanm: it's url-escaping the : |
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| 20:45.52 | rootant | stew: yeah, fine but i need to get this system upgraded tonight |
| 20:45.54 | stew | rootant: so it seems to me that since unopkg.bin is in libreoffice-core and its referencing that in the preinst script, that python-uno needs to declare a pre-depends on libreoffice-core, is it there? |
| 20:46.31 | rootant | iU libreoffice-base-core 1:3.4.6-2 office productivity suite -- shared library |
| 20:46.37 | stew | judd: predepends python-uno --release squeeze |
| 20:46.41 | hiwk | oh no, I've accidentally turned on some accessibility thing where the system tries to read out loud what it says on the screen |
| 20:46.46 | stew | judd: predepends python-uno --release wheezy |
| 20:46.46 | hiwk | how do I turn it off? |
| 20:46.55 | hiwk | or even remove it completley |
| 20:47.27 | jordanm | stew: its part of the libreoffice source package |
| 20:47.46 | stew | jordanm: yeah, its in libreoffice-core |
| 20:48.04 | jordanm | stew: I meanth python-uno shares a source package with libreoffice |
| 20:48.10 | stew | jordanm: yes |
| 20:48.48 | themill | I guess at this stage, either openoffice* and libreoffice* need to get removed, or libreoffice-core forced in (it probably has a nasty java dependency that is stuck on the rest of that gcc mess) |
| 20:48.48 | stew | jordanm: that doesn't affect whether or not it needs a PreDepends though |
| 20:49.32 | hiwk | found it |
| 20:49.49 | stew | themill: it would have to get installed BEFORE python-uno is, but python-uno should not have rdeps that prevent it from being first removed |
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| 20:50.12 | jordanm | stew: that will make 5 RC bugs against that source package |
| 20:50.46 | tmbg_ | I get this error 'W: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/volatile.debian.org_debian-volatile_dists_lenny_volatile_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message' even after applying the fix in http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=83001#p481102. How do I resolve this? |
| 20:51.11 | ompaul | !lenny |
| 20:51.11 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 20:51.22 | themill | stew: sure, I was thinking dpkg -i to try installing it if we were going down that route. But there's a reasonable chance this is a dependency cycle that's being broken in an inconvenient place |
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| 20:51.48 | ompaul | tmbg_: you are a little behind the times, btw mixing mint ideas with debian may lead to pain on a large scale |
| 20:51.52 | stew | jordanm: themill: /me reportbugs |
| 20:51.58 | rootant | stew: ok, so now i've removed libreoffice and re-ran -f install ant now it does it's stuff |
| 20:52.07 | themill | stew: thanks. |
| 20:52.23 | tmbg_ | ompaul: sure, but what's the fix for debian? |
| 20:52.23 | Chelsea | Would there be a responsiveness increase or decrease of running xfce on debian stable or the stock gnome 2.3? |
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| 20:52.44 | ompaul | tmbg_: note the bot said that lenny is no longer supported - |
| 20:52.55 | tmbg_ | ah. |
| 20:52.56 | themill | rootant: good good. That seems to be the way around most of the squeeze->wheezy bugs... dpkg -r something and then let apt have another go... |
| 20:53.07 | tmbg_ | didn't realize that was directed at me |
| 20:53.07 | stew | tmbg_: does volatile.debian.org even carry lenny anymore? |
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| 20:53.19 | rootant | themill: :S |
| 20:53.31 | stew | tmbg_: the fix is probaly to remove this line from sources.list and apt-get update and forget it existed, then start the process of upgrading from lenny to squeeze |
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| 20:53.47 | themill | rootant: that's what I meant in #d-ot about the upgrade being a potentially exciting ride ;) |
| 20:54.08 | tmbg_ | stew: thanks |
| 20:54.13 | rootant | themill: yeah |
| 20:54.15 | ompaul | tmbg_: so you either fix the lenny box send the bot a message >> /msg dpkg lenny sources.list << then update then /msg dpkg lenny -> squeeze |
| 20:54.50 | ompaul | tmbg_: or you clean the box and go squeeze |
| 20:54.53 | tmbg_ | cool thanks |
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| 20:55.47 | tmbg_ | no spaces in lenny->squeeze fyi |
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| 20:56.40 | stew | Removing release critical severities, since running in 'novice' mode. |
| 20:56.50 | stew | damn you reportbug, do you think I'm a novice! |
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| 20:58.08 | themill | heh! saw you coming ;) |
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| 21:03.29 | wuffi600 | what is the way to configure sounf with wheezy? i'm missing alsaconf. What command should be used to configure sound? |
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| 21:04.43 | themill | !alsaconf |
| 21:04.43 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 21:05.42 | themill | alsaconf hasn't been in debian for some years |
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| 21:06.27 | wuffi600 | themill: thank you+ |
| 21:06.39 | wuffi600 | !install alsa |
| 21:06.40 | dpkg | "aptitude -r install alsa-utils". After package installation, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>. To set the default sound card, ask me about <default alsa>. |
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| 21:07.07 | themill | wuffi600: (you can "/msg dpkg install alsa" etc yourself) |
| 21:07.08 | wuffi600 | !alsa firmware |
| 21:07.08 | dpkg | Binary-only <firmware> was removed from the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers at linux-2.6 2.6.23-1. Firmware from userspace is now required by these drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>. |
| 21:07.19 | wuffi600 | themill: ah yes, ok. |
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| 21:12.27 | pandaubuntu | hi,add-apt-repository, doesn't work correctly, after adding (apparently normal) I try to apt-get update dates, but some links I gave back a 404 |
| 21:13.32 | dvs | pandaubuntu: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to paste.debian.net |
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| 21:15.19 | stew | does that thing add to sources.list or sources.list.d? |
| 21:15.43 | dvs | oh. good point. |
| 21:15.51 | stew | "apt-get update dates" ? |
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| 21:16.42 | pandaubuntu | http://paste.debian.net/174006/ |
| 21:16.59 | dvs | wheezy? bah! |
| 21:17.16 | pandaubuntu | yes, wheezy 64 bit |
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| 21:17.37 | dvs | pandaubuntu: What's the error message? |
| 21:17.45 | stew | pandaubuntu: we actually need to see "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*" as well, and you might as well go crazy and actually show us the error message :) |
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| 21:18.23 | rootant | stew: so, it's continuing the upgrade now |
| 21:18.33 | stew | his /etc/apt/sources.list.d was "deb http://crunchbang.ubuntu.kanotix.awesome.debs unstable restricted" |
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| 21:19.57 | pandaubuntu | this is all thar i do http://paste.debian.net/174007/ |
| 21:20.06 | pandaubuntu | on other system it work |
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| 21:21.22 | stew | pandaubuntu: this is the releases it supports: http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/gnome3/ubuntu/dists/ |
| 21:21.30 | jordanm | pandaubuntu: Ubuntu does not provide PPA packages for debian releases |
| 21:21.31 | stew | pandaubuntu: looks like two different ubuntu releases only, not wheezy |
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| 21:22.42 | pandaubuntu | is possible to add a repo of ubuntu on debian? |
| 21:22.46 | dvs | no |
| 21:22.52 | pandaubuntu | :( |
| 21:22.57 | pandaubuntu | thank |
| 21:22.57 | nkuttler | everything is possible, but is it a good idea? |
| 21:23.07 | pandaubuntu | *thanks |
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| 21:23.09 | bardzusny | it's possible, but don't do it |
| 21:23.11 | dvs | nkuttler: ok, that's the better answer |
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| 21:23.29 | pandaubuntu | bye |
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| 21:23.35 | bardzusny | that being said, once or twice I had to manually install packages from ubuntu repos |
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| 21:23.43 | bardzusny | oh |
| 21:23.45 | dvs | !lart bardzusny |
| 21:23.45 | dpkg | explains, ever so gently, that if bardzusny doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
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| 21:24.03 | bardzusny | packages that weren't in debian |
| 21:24.25 | streuner_ | bardzusny: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 21:24.37 | nkuttler | bardzusny: still a bad idea... at least try to build the deb yourself |
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| 21:25.56 | bardzusny | compiling is effort I'd rather avoid |
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| 21:26.12 | bardzusny | I know it's bad idea, but what can I say? It works. |
| 21:26.16 | nkuttler | oh well if you prefer to reinstall your broken system, have it your way |
| 21:26.33 | stew | you know, most of the effort in compiling is taken care of for you by the compiler |
| 21:26.37 | nkuttler | bardzusny: no. it worked for *you* in a specific case |
| 21:27.01 | dvs | breaks bardzusny system in two now to save him the trouble later |
| 21:27.21 | bardzusny | Guys, I think that's taking it too far. |
| 21:27.29 | nkuttler | bardzusny: and even if it works for years for you, please don't advertise it here.. |
| 21:27.34 | ompaul | bardzusny: no, not nearly far enough |
| 21:27.48 | nkuttler | or anywhere else fwiw |
| 21:27.56 | streuner_ | bardzusny: please trust us, we have experience over serval years, in most cases you have only headaches... |
| 21:28.03 | ompaul | bardzusny: some day in about 4 months you will go to do something and your machine will go No Leave Me Alone |
| 21:28.20 | ompaul | bardzusny: and that day you will come here and we will go to our personal logs and laugh ... or cry or both |
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| 21:29.59 | stew | anyway, there is no reason for us to all gang up on somebody. lets just all agree that we want to make sure that when we are recommending actions to someone, especially someone of unkown amount of skills, we want to recommend the most predictable, most likely to succeed methods |
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| 21:31.41 | bardzusny | well, using unstable got me into more trouble than borrowing package from ubuntu |
| 21:32.12 | johndoe | im using tiff2pdf to convert a .tiff file to .pdf file but the resulting file shows only the top 2% of each page, the rest is blank. any ideas, pointers? |
| 21:32.38 | streuner_ | bardzusny: and you think, that packages of other distros would help then, nice logic ;-) |
| 21:32.39 | nkuttler | bardzusny: we don't recommend to 'upgrade' to unstable either |
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| 21:33.01 | bardzusny | nkuttler: I think that sums it up |
| 21:33.13 | streuner_ | true |
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| 21:34.04 | nkuttler | bardzusny: if you feel like being somebody's personal support guy for life, sure, recommend unstable |
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| 21:34.53 | ompaul | bardzusny: perhaps you should have a look in /var/log/apt zcat the older files and try to find the package names for the things you wanted - get rid of them using apt-get or aptitude or ... and then build the couple of packages yourself, if nothing else you'd have a good solid experience from that |
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| 21:35.38 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell guest001 about root |
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| 21:36.26 | bardzusny | guys, it's risky practice, but saying it *will* break my system sounds paranoid |
| 21:36.30 | bardzusny | if anything, it taints it |
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| 21:36.47 | streuner_ | guest001: you arent able to talk here, just logout an login as user and come back, if needed |
| 21:36.53 | johndoe | hey i used ubuntu packages several times without any problems |
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| 21:37.10 | johndoe | also mixed stable/unstable |
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| 21:37.56 | themill | if it works, that's by luck more than design. It's completely untested and not something that #debian is ever going to touch |
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| 21:38.36 | rasusto | where can I find the program xspy (the name of the package) ?? |
| 21:38.53 | nkuttler | !tell rasusto about apt-file |
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| 21:42.17 | craigevil | !axi-cache |
| 21:42.18 | dpkg | hmm... axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>. |
| 21:42.20 | rasusto | nkuttler, install apt-file now |
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| 21:51.13 | psiklops | is the current squeeze version of pidgin-otr safe to use? |
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| 21:51.37 | streuner_ | pidgin is prolly always in devel.... |
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| 21:51.51 | Sidney__ | Is there a way to change the resolution for another user from recovery mode |
| 21:51.53 | mango_ | hi |
| 21:51.59 | mango_ | is there a channel for raspberry pi? |
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| 21:52.05 | rasusto | nkuttler, installed apt-file, did sudo apt-file search xspy, did not turn up anything |
| 21:52.05 | streuner_ | it was/is prolly in a way safe, at the time it was released... |
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| 21:53.36 | streuner_ | Sidney__: why you are in recovery mode at all? |
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| 21:54.50 | Sidney__ | streuner_, when i changed the resolution the monitor went blank |
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| 21:55.36 | streuner_ | Sidney__: are you sure, that your videocard is even supported? |
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| 21:56.00 | phorce1 | mango_: you get one already or still waiting (and this discussion should be moved to #debian-offtopic) |
| 21:56.06 | nightfrog | What do I need to do to have my NIC get an IP from DHCP when the system is rebooted |
| 21:56.53 | Sidney__ | yes it is it worked before I reinstalled to a new drive |
| 21:56.59 | bardzusny | nightfrog: two linkes in /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 21:57.01 | bardzusny | "auto eth0" |
| 21:57.05 | bardzusny | and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 21:57.13 | bardzusny | (adjust eth0 accordingly) |
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| 21:57.33 | Sidney__ | it was working before I changed the resolution |
| 21:58.27 | nightfrog | bardzusny: Well iface eth2 inet dhcp is already in there |
| 21:59.02 | nightfrog | Before that line there is 'allow-hotplug eth2 |
| 21:59.15 | nightfrog | Before that line there is 'allow-hotplug eth2' |
| 21:59.22 | Sidney__ | streuner_, It works in recovery mode |
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| 22:00.19 | streuner_ | Sidney__: the question is still to me, why do you need recovery mode |
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| 22:01.01 | nightfrog | Wow, a lot of stuff isn't there that I installed before the reboot. None of my sensor setup was saved nor the commands able to be ran and a few other things |
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| 22:01.54 | Sidney__ | streuner_, okay I dont need recovery mode I need to change my resolution back to 1600x1200 so that I can see the desktop |
| 22:02.03 | nightfrog | Taking some getting used to Debian from FreeBSD. |
| 22:02.53 | streuner_ | Sidney__: X usually doesnt care about that, do you use some third party drivers? |
| 22:03.52 | Sidney__ | I installed nvidia drivers the \Debian way |
| 22:04.00 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:04.01 | bardzusny | nightfrog: I'm not sure if allow-hotplug brings interface up on boot |
| 22:04.09 | bardzusny | but adding "auto eth2" definitely will |
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| 22:06.00 | nightfrog | bardzusny: I removed the hotplug line and just used auto eth2 and it worked fine. Thanks |
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| 22:07.00 | bardzusny | np |
| 22:07.19 | Sidney__ | streuner_, what is recovery mode for if you can't use it to repair |
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| 22:07.46 | Cyclohexane | Anyone recommend a system monitor that notifies on outgoing DoS attacks? |
| 22:08.08 | streuner_ | Sidney__: recovery mode is for me, in other words, something which only use basic things, in order to boot at all |
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| 22:08.40 | Sidney__ | So my only solution is toi reinstall |
| 22:08.44 | streuner_ | Sidney__: keep in mind, i have NO idea HOW things work in nvidia |
| 22:09.02 | Sidney__ | streuner_, fair enough |
| 22:09.34 | streuner_ | Sidney__: maybe #nvidia has more ideas about... |
| 22:10.13 | Sidney__ | this is an OS problem |
| 22:10.26 | streuner_ | no |
| 22:10.42 | Sidney__ | you dont think so? |
| 22:11.00 | streuner_ | true, we support only packages which are free |
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| 22:11.34 | streuner_ | if you using third party software, we arent able to help |
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| 22:11.48 | Sidney__ | is there away to remove nvidia drivers |
| 22:12.06 | jordanm | apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx |
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| 22:12.46 | Sidney__ | and I can do this from recovery mode, yes |
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| 22:14.56 | Sidney__ | One more question my being logged in as root only puts me at risk correct? |
| 22:15.29 | Sidney__ | on irc i mean |
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| 22:15.43 | kevlarman | Sidney__: you shouldn't be logged in as root period |
| 22:15.46 | jordanm | yes, never IRC as root |
| 22:15.51 | kevlarman | makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot |
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| 22:16.20 | Sidney__ | ok guys thanks |
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| 22:16.25 | kevlarman | use sudo (-i) when you need to do something as root, but don't leave root shells lying around |
| 22:16.48 | jordanm | using a interactive root shell is really no different than logging in as root |
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| 22:16.54 | jordanm | other than how you acquired the shell |
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| 22:17.27 | Sidney__ | from now on the first thing i will do is create a second account |
| 22:17.47 | jordanm | debian installer creates a user account |
| 22:18.18 | Sidney__ | with a second account i could still login |
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| 22:19.47 | Cyclohexane | Anyone recommend a system monitor that notifies on outgoing DoS attacks? |
| 22:19.55 | Sidney__ | what debian needs is a systen restore |
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| 22:21.08 | streuner_ | Sidney__: well, in practice, that doesnt work well in other OS's :-P |
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| 22:22.09 | Sidney__ | streuner_, is the resolution settings in the / partition or /home |
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| 22:22.32 | streuner_ | Sidney__: config files lives usually in /etc |
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| 22:23.01 | streuner_ | Sidney__: but, who knows about nvidia |
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| 22:24.33 | Sidney__ | I'm just trying to avoid having to re do this ssd |
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| 23:17.33 | squarepeg | hello |
| 23:17.53 | isoman2kx | hello |
| 23:17.55 | squarepeg | how can I find out what driver is used for my hard drive? |
| 23:18.21 | streuner_ | squarepeg: hard drive? is that a joke? |
| 23:18.25 | squarepeg | I mean, not from documentation, but the driver which is actually making it possible to read and write to my hard drive. |
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| 23:19.13 | streuner_ | squarepeg: bascially, its a FS issue,the FS is supported or not |
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| 23:19.22 | squarepeg | FS? |
| 23:19.31 | streuner_ | filesystem |
| 23:19.34 | cardamon | filesystem |
| 23:19.57 | squarepeg | I have ext2 on it |
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| 23:20.08 | squarepeg | and it's working on this system with ext4 |
| 23:20.17 | squarepeg | but not on my other system with ext3 |
| 23:20.39 | streuner_ | and where is the problem then? |
| 23:21.08 | squarepeg | I figured if I could figure out which driver is working on this system, I'd save some time setting it up on the other. |
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| 23:22.06 | squarepeg | and also, just for the general knowledge of how to find a driver file running on a particular system |
| 23:22.07 | streuner_ | squarepeg: do you use an custom kernel? |
| 23:22.12 | squarepeg | no |
| 23:22.43 | squarepeg | suppose it were about a usb drive which works on every system |
| 23:23.11 | abrotman | squarepeg: the filesystem or the physical device? |
| 23:23.15 | abrotman | or the controller? |
| 23:23.25 | squarepeg | suppose it's about a network card instead |
| 23:23.26 | abrotman | squarepeg: lspci -k .. might find it somewhat useful |
| 23:23.40 | squarepeg | I just want to be able to pinpoint a device and find out what driver is responsible for making it work |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | or ignore me .. |
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| 23:24.31 | squarepeg | abrotman: do you mean there are separate drivers for file system and (device? I meant device.) |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | squarepeg: do you think there is one driver for all devices and filesystems? |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | or for all unique combinations? |
| 23:26.03 | squarepeg | nevermind what I think |
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| 23:26.21 | squarepeg | I know each device needs a driver |
| 23:26.32 | tharkun | according to the Filesystem it runs |
| 23:27.13 | squarepeg | I'm trying to figure out how I can find a driver without checking documentation, just by looking at the activity |
| 23:27.24 | abrotman | i just told you .. you ignored me |
| 23:27.38 | squarepeg | lspci |
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| 23:27.49 | squarepeg | sorry, I missed that while I was trying to explain my question |
| 23:27.55 | squarepeg | thanks |
| 23:28.19 | squarepeg | is that for devices on the PCI interface ? |
| 23:28.20 | tharkun | squarepeg: hmm, If you are to grock a bit of linux, reading documentation will eventually become second nature |
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| 23:28.46 | squarepeg | tharkun: in this case, reading documentation would be like cheating. |
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| 23:29.09 | Arelius | on sid, my ruby gems seem to be building with -Werror=format-security? it was in dpkg-buildflags, but removing it from there doesn't seem to fix the gem build |
| 23:29.35 | tharkun | !tell Arelius about #debain-next |
| 23:29.43 | Arelius | Thx |
| 23:30.04 | tharkun | Well you got the idea it is on oftc |
| 23:30.05 | squarepeg | I have another issue which challenges me. |
| 23:30.19 | squarepeg | oftc? |
| 23:30.24 | Arelius | ahh |
| 23:30.40 | tharkun | !tell Arelius about #debian-next |
| 23:30.58 | tharkun | slaps dpkg with a BFG9000 |
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| 23:31.12 | squarepeg | okay, what if I'm downloading something and I want to know where the data is and what it is called, even in a temp file |
| 23:31.19 | squarepeg | lsof ? |
| 23:31.38 | tharkun | squarepeg: depends on the program running |
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| 23:31.45 | tharkun | !tell squarepeg about lsof |
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| 23:32.22 | tharkun | But if you think reading man pages is cheating what do you make of IRC? |
| 23:32.24 | abrotman | tharkun: it's really more of a ruby question .. doubt -next would know much about it |
| 23:32.32 | squarepeg | well, the man pages aren't cheating |
| 23:32.40 | squarepeg | they're challenging enough to read |
| 23:32.48 | tharkun | abrotman: got carried away with the sid part of it |
| 23:33.00 | tharkun | Arelius: #ruby i think |
| 23:33.06 | abrotman | no ... |
| 23:33.25 | tharkun | is running low on coffee |
| 23:33.55 | Arelius | Hmm |
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| 23:34.39 | squarepeg | the man pages are actually somewhat challenging |
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| 23:35.46 | squarepeg | I read that the ls command has about 30 command modifier flags |
| 23:36.29 | squarepeg | sometimes the results are unpredictable, depending on what combinations of flags you use together |
| 23:36.37 | tharkun | squarepeg: man command scan over the page until you find what you need. Leave the rest for a rainy day. Live on |
| 23:37.15 | squarepeg | tharkun: that's the hard way to learn, in solitude, drying your eyes on documentation. |
| 23:37.28 | tharkun | squarepeg: the only way i know |
| 23:37.30 | squarepeg | the easy way is an expert explains it |
| 23:37.34 | abrotman | squarepeg: reliance on others makes you lazy? :) |
| 23:37.40 | squarepeg | nope |
| 23:37.41 | rootant | hello world from wheezy |
| 23:37.45 | squarepeg | reliance on others makes you get ahead |
| 23:37.51 | squarepeg | if they help, that is. |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | squarepeg: i didn't explain it .. i just gave you the answer .. |
| 23:37.54 | rootant | stew: themill thx |
| 23:38.14 | themill | rootant: all sorted then? |
| 23:38.15 | abrotman | squarepeg: you didn't ask how lpsci knows which driver should be listed there, or how the OS knows which driver to load |
| 23:38.36 | rootant | themill: almost, i just have to do several finishing touches |
| 23:38.50 | abrotman | squarepeg: in short, you've learned nothing |
| 23:39.00 | squarepeg | nothing I didn't already know |
| 23:39.38 | squarepeg | I tried modprobe and dmesg, but I was glad to be reminded of lspci |
| 23:41.30 | squarepeg | most people don't know the answers. That is the reality. |
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| 23:42.34 | squarepeg | most know how to use tools for common purposes but they don't know the history of the tool and how to use it in uncommon cases. |
| 23:42.47 | Big_Brother | is there an application that can show my audio input and output levels actively? |
| 23:43.08 | tharkun | Big_Brother: define actively |
| 23:43.24 | Big_Brother | tharkun: when I talk or when music is playing. |
| 23:44.22 | tharkun | You mean the actual amplitude of the audio wavesing at the moment of playback or recording? |
| 23:44.34 | Big_Brother | yes. |
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| 23:44.50 | tharkun | depends on the aplication you are using. to record or playback |
| 23:45.13 | tharkun | Audacity does it. When recording and when playing through it |
| 23:45.16 | Big_Brother | well, not application-specific, I wanted system-level display of this. |
| 23:45.28 | tharkun | although it is more of an editing stuff |
| 23:45.28 | squarepeg | good question |
| 23:45.33 | alfplayer | pavucontrol, using pulse |
| 23:46.47 | abrotman | squarepeg: if you'd already known, you owul dhave asked .. don't ask so silly |
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| 23:47.01 | abrotman | erm .. act |
| 23:47.14 | squarepeg | abrotman: I knew the names of some tools. I know how to grep their output. |
| 23:47.24 | squarepeg | But I still can't identify the driver file |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | squarepeg: good luck, i'll ignore you from now on .. have fun! |
| 23:47.39 | squarepeg | emo |
| 23:47.46 | abrotman | know-it-all |
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| 23:48.16 | squarepeg | i said I don't know |
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| 23:48.22 | squarepeg | I never said I knew. |
| 23:48.29 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | squarepeg > nothing I didn't already know |
| 23:48.40 | abrotman | whoops |
| 23:48.48 | squarepeg | I've used lspci before |
| 23:49.13 | squarepeg | I said you reminded me of it. |
| 23:49.29 | squarepeg | so you mentioned lspci |
| 23:49.30 | abrotman | okay .. good luck |
| 23:49.37 | squarepeg | but not how to find a driver with it |
| 23:50.00 | abrotman | which the man page, which you claim you shouldn't be reading, clearly tells you about |
| 23:50.54 | squarepeg | abrotman: I never said that. Just that it isn't necessarily the fastest way to learn. |
| 23:51.05 | squarepeg | A tutorial may be better than the man pages. |
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| 23:51.16 | squarepeg | it's a useful reference |
| 23:52.12 | squarepeg | Here's a novel idea. The wikipedia page on lspci |
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| 23:54.27 | cantido_ | didn't realise lspci was such a complex tool |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:55.12 | squarepeg | well, I just learned about hwinfo |
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| 23:55.26 | squarepeg | that's not bad to know about |
| 23:55.50 | cantido | all of my hardware just works :) |
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| 23:59.06 | Big_Brother | cantido: that's what I keep telling myself when someone asks me how I got it to work. "it just does. idfk" |
| 23:59.35 | cantido | I haven't had anything that just didn't work for ages.. must be lucky |
