| 00:00.17 | squarepeg | hwinfo at least named the manufacturer of my hard drive |
| 00:00.35 | squarepeg | I didn't see it in lspci output, which was only a half page of stuff. |
| 00:00.52 | cantido | squarepeg: harddrives aren't pci |
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| 00:00.58 | squarepeg | I was able to see a reference to the model number of my hard drive grepping dmesg output |
| 00:01.04 | cantido | so why would lspci tell you anything about it? |
| 00:01.26 | squarepeg | good point |
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| 00:01.36 | squarepeg | It's one of three hardware reporting tools I knew about |
| 00:01.39 | Big_Brother | cantido: he said hwinfo |
| 00:01.54 | cantido | Big_Brother: < squarepeg> I didn't see it in lspci output, |
| 00:02.11 | Big_Brother | squarepeg> hwinfo at least named the manufacturer of my hard drive |
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| 00:02.43 | cantido | squarepeg: lspci - list pci, lsusb - list usb .. hdparm can tell you stuff about IDE/SATA drives.. or you can crib dmesg |
| 00:02.51 | cantido | or look in /proc or /sys |
| 00:03.03 | squarepeg | thank you |
| 00:03.19 | karsten | Speaking of complext tools: I'm looking at a task for which swatch seems perfect (watch app log for a message, restart app if it's seen), trying to sort running swatch as a system daemon. Seems it's configured to be more a per-user script/tool instead. |
| 00:03.36 | squarepeg | lspci mentions usb interfaces |
| 00:03.44 | squarepeg | and my hard drive connects via usb |
| 00:03.52 | cantido | squarepeg: the usb host controller is a pci device |
| 00:04.06 | cantido | squarepeg: the usb -> sata bridge is a usb device |
| 00:04.26 | squarepeg | good to know, thanks |
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| 00:04.49 | squarepeg | lspci is a utility for displaying information about PCI buses in the system and devices connected to them. |
| 00:04.57 | cantido | squarepeg: the drive is still SATA (or IDE) and the info about the drive has to be read via ATA commands.. |
| 00:05.00 | squarepeg | so says the man page |
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| 00:05.26 | cantido | squarepeg: yes, it basically just looks up the PCI ids on the bus in a big list of ids |
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| 00:06.52 | abrotman | karsten: use runit |
| 00:06.53 | abrotman | ?? |
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| 00:08.27 | karsten | abrotman: that sounds a bit like monit. |
| 00:08.48 | squarepeg | we're mostly all men here. we need to lift each other up with technical information. don't let the feminists beat us. |
| 00:09.12 | squarepeg | alright, sorry for the demagoguery |
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| 00:09.34 | abrotman | squarepeg: i have no idea what that was, but it is not appropriate here |
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| 00:09.53 | abrotman | squarepeg: take a time out |
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| 00:12.19 | MrKeuner | hello, is there a list of personal repositories for latest versions of applications such as firefox thunderbird for debian squeeze? |
| 00:12.45 | cantido | MrKeuner: I think you want backports |
| 00:13.04 | dvs | MrKeuner: well, for firefox you need mdo |
| 00:13.10 | dvs | or is that mdn? |
| 00:13.26 | dvs | !mdn |
| 00:13.26 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 00:13.45 | karsten | abrotman: Hrm. Seems "monit" is among the "runit" utilities. runit is an init replacement, kind of. Simialr perhaps to the Apache.org "daemon" utility? |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | karsten: it may be |
| 00:14.16 | karsten | abrotman: have you actually played with it, or just know of it? |
| 00:14.30 | abrotman | of it |
| 00:14.51 | karsten | OK |
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| 00:16.03 | MrKeuner | cantino, can I check what eclipse version the backports repository has? |
| 00:16.29 | dvs | ,v eclipse |
| 00:16.30 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.7.2-1; wheezy: 3.7.2-1; experimental: 3.8.0~rc3-2 |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | MrKeuner: don't think there is one .. eclipse is generally one of those things you do from source |
| 00:16.53 | cantido | MrKeuner: I don't bother with the debian packages for eclipse.. install it to $HOME |
| 00:17.34 | cantido | install == unextract the tarball really though :) |
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| 00:18.27 | dvs | cantido: is it difficult to compile? |
| 00:18.49 | cantido | dvs: you don't need to |
| 00:19.05 | dvs | yay |
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| 00:19.20 | abrotman | java, eh? |
| 00:19.22 | cantido | dvs: you download the linux tarball, extract it and run ./eclipse |
| 00:20.25 | cantido | abrotman: the executable to start it is a normal elf binary.. so there is a linux version, but I think that just does the startup stuff (like finding the right JRE) |
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| 00:22.33 | abrotman | assuming there is one |
| 00:23.08 | cantido | yeah, I think you get a menu to find the JRE/JDK if you don't have one |
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| 00:29.54 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | !ipv6 |
| 00:29.54 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 00:30.23 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | !noipv6 |
| 00:30.23 | dpkg | From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 00:35.23 | abrotman | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: you can msg the bot also |
| 00:35.45 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | ahh ok thank you |
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| 00:40.37 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | ugh does anyone know how to comment out ipv6 in grub2 |
| 00:40.54 | dvs | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: /etc/default/grub |
| 00:41.09 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | and then where do I comment it out |
| 00:41.32 | dvs | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: Comment out what part? |
| 00:41.45 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | sorry not comment out, I mean disable ipv6 |
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| 00:42.36 | abrotman | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: /etc/default/grub .. he told you |
| 00:42.37 | dvs | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: Add the "ipv6.disable=1" to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX variable in /etc/defaullt/grub |
| 00:43.11 | dvs | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: then run "update-grub" |
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| 00:46.29 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | I added it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 00:46.44 | dvs | no |
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| 00:55.44 | genoskill | how can I make acpid start before x server |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | it already should |
| 00:56.45 | beardy | Indeed. |
| 00:57.03 | beardy | genoskill: What makes you think, or how do you prove that it isn't? |
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| 00:58.26 | genoskill | beardy: because i got this message on Xorg.0.log: (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | genoskill: does that file exist now ? |
| 00:59.23 | genoskill | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:01.00 | abrotman | genoskill: in /etc/rc2.d/ .. what are the numbers? |
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| 01:02.21 | johndoe_ | My host machine is Debian Squeeze. I have several linux VM's, but for some reason I have never been able to setup a folder to share between to system, such as this VM and my host. I've tried google, but networking just gets me. Any thoughts? |
| 01:02.44 | johndoe_ | "to share between two systems," |
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| 01:04.08 | genoskill | abrotman: there is S99acpi-support but no acpid |
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| 01:04.25 | abrotman | genoskill: is it in another directory perhaps ? |
| 01:04.38 | genoskill | abrotman: i have upstart |
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| 01:04.58 | johndoe_ | Copying and pasting has been working, but I am unable to do that with files |
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| 01:06.00 | abrotman | genoskill: you have Ubuntu? |
| 01:06.26 | genoskill | abrotman: Mint 9 |
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| 01:07.31 | themill | genoskill: this is #debian, in case you've not noticed. |
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| 01:08.22 | themill | genoskill: please ask in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 01:13.05 | johndoe_ | My host machine is Debian Squeeze. I have several linux VM's, but for some reason I have never been able to setup a folder to share between two systems, such as this VM and my host. I've tried google, but networking just gets me. |
| 01:13.48 | johndoe_ | I know what Samba share is, but I can't get it to work and don't know if it is the best solution. |
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| 01:18.40 | daniel-s_ | !btrfs |
| 01:18.41 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. Btrfs does not yet have a fsck tool that can fix errors. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. See <btrfs gotchas> |
| 01:19.44 | johndoe_ | any advice on how to setup folder sharing between VMs and Debian Squeeze? |
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| 01:22.45 | nevyn | what are the vm's running? |
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| 01:23.00 | nevyn | usual culprits nfs, cifs ? |
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| 01:24.57 | cantido | johndoe_: if you are using virtualbox.. it has built in shared directory stuff |
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| 01:25.09 | johndoe_ | nevyn: ubuntu 12.04, RHEL, Fedora 16, and other major distros |
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| 01:25.23 | nevyn | johndoe_: cifs/nfs then |
| 01:25.40 | nevyn | johndoe_: due to uid/gid mapping cifs might work better. |
| 01:26.34 | johndoe_ | I am using VirtualBox |
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| 01:27.16 | johndoe_ | Machine folders is listed, but I don't know |
| 01:27.40 | cantido | johndoe_: I haven't used it for linux guests.. but worth I try. For windows guests it works like samba would, but I'm not sure if it bypasses networking (which would make it faster) or not |
| 01:27.51 | cantido | s/I try/a try/ |
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| 01:29.37 | nevyn | oh if you're using virtualbox then yes the inbuilt stuff will probably be faster. |
| 01:29.49 | aidalgol | If I need help with, say, a gnome application, is that too off-topic here, even if I'm using the Debian package? |
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| 01:31.44 | abrotman | aidalgol: using which Distro ? |
| 01:31.56 | aidalgol | abrotman: Debian wheezy |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | aidalgol: are you trying to create a package or just use one? |
| 01:32.30 | aidalgol | abrotman: Just use one. |
| 01:32.34 | abrotman | so ask away |
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| 01:33.52 | aidalgol | I was using an MSN account with telepathy-butterfly, and none of my messages were reaching the other user, and no errors appeared in the log. |
| 01:34.25 | MrKeuner | cantido, but package manager is one of the gems of debian, I would love to use it for eclipse and firefox and others as well |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | aidalgol: i have the same problem with pidgin/fb |
| 01:35.31 | aidalgol | hmm |
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| 01:38.32 | johndoe_ | nevyn: cantido: I have a shared folder setup in debian and virtualbox recognizes it through it's interface. how do I get my VM OS to see the folder? I'm using it now, should I restart? |
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| 01:38.50 | nevyn | shouldn't be nessicary. |
| 01:39.31 | nevyn | necessary even |
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| 01:42.05 | johndoe_ | nevyn: in linux mint13, i went to shared folders, but did not see the folder, just my native folders of the OS I am running in the VM |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | johndoe_: we can't really help you with Mint .. just the Debian part |
| 01:43.25 | johndoe_ | what if Debian was the guest, and debian was the host. i can do that |
| 01:43.57 | johndoe_ | i would have to return in 2 minutes though |
| 01:44.03 | abrotman | create a Debian guest then |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | sounds like more of a networking issue related to how the VMs are setup though |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | are they bridged or NATed? |
| 01:44.59 | johndoe_ | yea, thats what i am saying. i don't understand networking. I'm not sure if they are bridged or NATed. I just created these VMs as a .vdi |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | you can look in the VM config .. |
| 01:45.53 | johndoe_ | abrotman: looks like they are all NATed |
| 01:46.22 | johndoe_ | sorry for the bother |
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| 01:52.51 | Yankees52 | is debian rolling release? |
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| 01:53.37 | abrotman | no |
| 01:54.19 | Yankees52 | why the fuck not |
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| 01:56.24 | abrotman | oh, that again .. |
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| 01:58.12 | abrotman | wonders how many bans we need ... |
| 02:00.15 | stew | is that CC? |
| 02:00.42 | abrotman | CC? |
| 02:00.50 | stew | sabathia |
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| 02:01.00 | abrotman | heh, doubtful |
| 02:01.05 | stew | the number is right |
| 02:01.14 | aidalgol | You mean this is a regular occurrence? |
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| 02:01.42 | abrotman | repeat offender |
| 02:02.17 | stew | debian is a rolling release or not a rolling release depending on who you ask repteatedly |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | wonders where CUT is these days |
| 02:02.47 | aidalgol | Don't testing and sid count as rolling? |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | testing and unstable don't really roll |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | they roll, until a release nears, testing freezes, unstable gels |
| 02:03.23 | stew | abrotman: CUT still exists |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | stew: but is it producing anything useful as a "rolling distro" ? |
| 02:03.44 | stew | i have a friend at the local lug here that runs it |
| 02:03.57 | aidalgol | Speaking of which, what should I do when wheezy freezes? |
| 02:04.05 | aidalgol | (Since I'm using it.) |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | aidalgol: nothing ? |
| 02:04.08 | stew | aidalgol: start fixing RC bugs |
| 02:04.17 | abrotman | stew: how is it that you have a LUG and I can't find a decent one here? |
| 02:04.19 | aidalgol | So, no upgrade process? |
| 02:04.30 | abrotman | aidalgol: are you currently up to date? |
| 02:04.33 | aidalgol | yes |
| 02:04.34 | nevyn | abrotman: after a release unstable tumbles more than rolls (like an unbalanced katamari) |
| 02:04.49 | aidalgol | Last two upgrades, I was using stable. |
| 02:04.56 | aidalgol | s/upgrades/releases/ |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | nevyn: after a release? it's more like a flood :) |
| 02:05.18 | nevyn | abrotman: yeah but the point is it's not smooth rolling |
| 02:05.26 | nevyn | more ungainly tumbling ;) |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | aidalgol: you keep tracking wheezy .. it will become stable |
| 02:05.43 | abrotman | nevyn: i liken "rolling" to easy going .. a river .. not a rock |
| 02:06.00 | aidalgol | abrotman: Then how do I keep using testing? |
| 02:06.11 | aidalgol | Just change the release name in my sources.list? |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | aidalgol: you probably don't want to .. it can be pretty rough right after a release |
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| 02:06.57 | aidalgol | So wait a bit, then upgrade from stable->testing again? |
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| 02:07.24 | abrotman | that's your decision .. depends how well you can handle the breakage |
| 02:07.27 | stew | abrotman: I can't find a decent one here either |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | it's pretty good in testing right now |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | stew: oh, you just found *a* LUG :) |
| 02:07.48 | stew | yes |
| 02:07.59 | aidalgol | abrotman: Well, I always back up before anything major. |
| 02:08.19 | stew | abrotman: right |
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| 02:09.59 | abrotman | we have a LUG, and we used to have PADS .. but the local LUG moves locations, and some of the locations are pretty inconvenient for me to get to |
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| 02:10.02 | cantido | udev is a bit wonky for me in unstable :/ I have to restart it to get mouse/keyboard heh |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | cantido: how do you restart it without a keyboard? |
| 02:10.23 | stew | aidalgol: when wheezy freezes, note that not much changes from the perspective of the testing user. its just that updated packages become increasingly more rare (in both testing and unstable (but less so in unstable)) until wheezy is finally released (which will take a bunch of months) |
| 02:10.39 | cantido | abrotman: If I unplug the keyboard and plug it back in again it works.. but the mouse requires udev to be restarted |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | oh cute |
| 02:11.01 | cantido | seems to be to do with this /run thing that is happening |
| 02:11.08 | stew | abrotman: our location is actually a pretty awesome hackerspace: http://www.lvl1.org/ |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | stew: yeah, we have something like that here, but not sure how much it's used |
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| 02:13.16 | abrotman | stew: http://www.indyhall.org/ |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | stew: sort of the same anyway ... |
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| 02:14.07 | cantido | is that where people do group arduino play? |
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| 02:17.24 | nightfrog | I installed lm-sensors and some times after I reboot I can't access sensors. It is like I never set it up. Also after reboots the nic wont get an ip from dhcp. Both problems are random. |
| 02:18.07 | cantido | nightfrog: did you add the stuff from sensors-detect to /etc/modules? |
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| 02:19.27 | cantido | nightfrog: with the NIC.. I have have issues like that with broadcom nics and they went away with a newer kernel |
| 02:19.57 | asciiker | hello |
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| 02:20.43 | spdupee | is debian 6 running without crashes like ubuntu |
| 02:20.50 | asciiker | anyone know how to fix this: perl-base: Conflicts: defoma (< 0.11.12) but 0.11.11 is to be installed google isnt't helping |
| 02:20.59 | dvs | spdupee: I haven't had any crashes |
| 02:21.05 | abrotman | asciiker: which version of Debian |
| 02:21.30 | asciiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | judd: versions defoma |
| 02:21.45 | judd | Package: defoma on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.10-0.2; squeeze: 0.11.11 |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | that's not lenny anymore |
| 02:22.08 | asciiker | squeeze ? |
| 02:22.25 | asciiker | but kernel points to lenny doesn't it..... this happened with I reinstalled perl... :p |
| 02:22.39 | asciiker | with=when |
| 02:22.44 | dvs | asciiker: No, that's a squeeze kernel |
| 02:22.45 | cantido | asciiker: you have "stable" in your sources and not lenny? |
| 02:23.04 | cantido | though squeeze was newer :/ |
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| 02:23.29 | asciiker | I only have this is sources.list |
| 02:23.33 | asciiker | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 02:23.42 | dvs | asciiker: You have squeeze now |
| 02:23.49 | asciiker | ok |
| 02:24.06 | asciiker | how can I fix this defoma, it's breaking the apt-get -f install |
| 02:24.07 | cantido | so if it was lenny, it would have became squeeze when squeeze became stable and you upgraded.. |
| 02:24.33 | asciiker | since I never ran dist-upgrade I wasn't aware that it updated automatically |
| 02:24.50 | dvs | asciiker: That's because you have "stable" in your file |
| 02:25.24 | asciiker | what can I do to fix this ? |
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| 02:25.50 | dvs | asciiker: Well, you have to replace "stable" with "squeeze" so it wont happen again. |
| 02:25.55 | nightfrog | cantido: It is an Intel nic. i82557 i82558 i82559 i82550 i82562 One of these |
| 02:26.02 | asciiker | thanks, let me try |
| 02:26.33 | nightfrog | I rebooted again and now the sensors work but the nic didn't get an IP |
| 02:26.37 | cantido | nightfrog: mmm never had issues with intel nics. You could use tcpdump to see what is happening when you try to get an address via dhcp |
| 02:27.10 | cantido | nightfrog: are you running stable with the stock kernel? maybe try the backport one |
| 02:27.36 | nightfrog | Some services aren't running at boot. Not a dhcp problem |
| 02:27.46 | nightfrog | Yes it is stock and stable |
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| 02:28.17 | asciiker | dvs: I'm getting error in Config-Version string '3.1.6-59338_Debian_etch': invalid character in revision number when I run apt-get -f install after the apt-get update with the squeeze change |
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| 02:29.14 | cantido | nightfrog: so you have random sensors issues, random dhcp issues and some services don't start? do you get any error messages on boot? |
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| 02:29.38 | dvs | asciiker: Did you try a dist-upgrade? |
| 02:29.43 | asciiker | no |
| 02:29.51 | asciiker | I'm just trying to install perl |
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| 02:30.00 | asciiker | now apt-get is broken and I can't install anything |
| 02:30.06 | cantido | nightfrog: you might need to look at dmesg for all of the kernel output (I think the default config passes quiet to the kernel) |
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| 02:30.42 | dvs | asciiker: That's because you're stuck between lenny and squeeze. |
| 02:30.47 | asciiker | dvs: it's a production web + mail server |
| 02:31.11 | asciiker | dvs: is that why I get: perl-base: Conflicts: defoma (< 0.11.12) but 0.11.11 is to be installed |
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| 02:31.19 | dvs | yes |
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| 02:32.52 | stew | asciiker: you are in the middle of upgrading from etch to squeeze, skipping lenny? |
| 02:34.07 | stew | oh, no, to wheezy?!? |
| 02:34.11 | asciiker | stew: I'm using 2.6.26-1-686 problems began when I tried to install php5-imap, now bind is broken and I can't install anything unless I solve this defoma / perl issue |
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| 02:34.49 | stew | asciiker: what version of debian are you actually intending to run? |
| 02:35.04 | stew | judd: Conflicts perl-base squeeze |
| 02:35.05 | judd | Package perl-base in squeeze/i386 -- conflicts: autoconf2.13 (<< 2.13-45), libfile-spec-perl (<< 3.3000), libscalar-list-utils-perl (<< 1:1.21), libxsloader-perl (<< 0.10), safe-rm (<< 0.8). |
| 02:35.10 | stew | judd: Conflicts perl-base wheezy |
| 02:35.12 | judd | Package perl-base in wheezy/i386 -- conflicts: defoma (<< 0.11.12), doc-base (<< 0.10.3), mono-gac (<< 2.10.8.1-3), safe-rm (<< 0.8), update-inetd (<< 4.41). |
| 02:35.30 | stew | so it was the wheezy perl-base that was conflicting with a squeeze defoma |
| 02:35.32 | asciiker | stew: I want to keep current version, as this is a customized production server |
| 02:35.54 | stew | asciiker: and what does that mean? etch or lenny or something? |
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| 02:36.15 | asciiker | seems I have squeeze right, why don't I keep it |
| 02:36.32 | stew | asciiker: you should finish upgrading to squeeze first |
| 02:36.44 | asciiker | stew: so I must run dist-upgrade |
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| 02:37.06 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 02:37.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3.6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 02:37.13 | stew | asciiker: no, i'd not recommend that, i'd recommend following chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 02:37.28 | stew | asciiker: which has you do a minimal upgrade, then upgrade the kernel and udev, then finish the upgrade |
| 02:37.40 | stew | asciiker: the udev in squeeze would not work with the kernel you have, I don't believe |
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| 02:38.02 | stew | asciiker: i'm curious about how the perl-base from testing aka wheezy was getting installed though |
| 02:38.10 | Andorin | I am having a ton of trouble getting Java 7 on squeeze. The download on java.com doesn't seem to work. I can't find the openjdk-7-jre package anywhere. Just how am I supposed to do this? |
| 02:38.13 | stew | asciiker: I don't suppose you have apt-show-versions installed? |
| 02:38.41 | dvs | Andorin: I guess you neeed java-package if you require Java 7 |
| 02:39.06 | asciiker | stew: I had an issue with perl before, I don't remember well but I had different sources.list |
| 02:39.10 | stew | or perhaps backport openjdk-7-jre |
| 02:39.23 | stew | asciiker: what version of perl-base is installed now? |
| 02:39.31 | asciiker | I'll see |
| 02:40.12 | Andorin | E: Unable to locate package java-package |
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| 02:40.35 | dvs | Andorin: You need the contrib line in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:40.39 | Andorin | contrib is enabled |
| 02:40.43 | stew | and its not in stable |
| 02:40.46 | Andorin | but let me double check |
| 02:40.57 | stew | judd: versions java-package |
| 02:40.59 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; sid/contrib: 0.50; wheezy/contrib: 0.50 |
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| 02:41.26 | stew | Andorin: do you REALLY need java 7 and not java 6? |
| 02:41.28 | Andorin | Yes |
| 02:41.29 | asciiker | stew: This is perl 5, version 14, subversion 2 (v5.14.2) |
| 02:42.08 | stew | asciiker: which comes from wheeze aka testing or sid aka unstable |
| 02:42.16 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | can anyone find the issue here |
| 02:42.19 | stew | asciiker: so you are running a box which is a mix of three different releases |
| 02:42.21 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | apt-get install -q -y mysql-server mysql-server-5.1 && apt-get -q -y install mysql-admin mysql-query-browser mysql-navigator mysql-client libmysqlclient16-dev libmysqlclient-dev |
| 02:42.35 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | it keeps saying Invalid operation install -q |
| 02:43.04 | asciiker | stew: it's a big mess yes.... seems so |
| 02:43.15 | asciiker | stew: gotta get this up and running asap |
| 02:44.32 | asciiker | stew: dvs told be to change my sources.list from stable to squeeze but apt-get -f install still exits with dpkg errors |
| 02:44.46 | asciiker | stew: guess it's release notes for me |
| 02:44.54 | stew | asciiker: i think you should make sure you are up to date with lenny first |
| 02:44.59 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | anyone? |
| 02:45.04 | stew | asciiker: then see if you can do a lenny to squeeze upgrade |
| 02:45.20 | stew | asciiker: but I still don't know what you are going to do about the fact that you are partially upgraded to testing |
| 02:45.27 | stew | asciiker: hopefully security isn't important on this box |
| 02:45.35 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | anyone at all |
| 02:46.34 | stew | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: i don't see the error, the command works fine for me |
| 02:46.48 | stew | Isaiahhhhh-Windo: are there quotes you aren't telling us about? |
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| 02:47.06 | Isaiahhhhh-Windo | no not as far as I can tell, I just used aptitude instead and it seemed to work |
| 02:47.08 | asciiker | stew: 4 years ago this was a debian 4 box, I don't know what it is now.... :( |
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| 02:48.00 | Andorin | So? Java 7 on stable? Anyone? |
| 02:48.43 | Andorin | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openjdk-7-jre I see this is on wheezy and sid but a post on Debian's forums said it's not the best idea to install this on stable b/c of its dependencies |
| 02:49.08 | stew | Andorin: your choices are to run the binary from oracle, to use java-package from wheezy to create a package from the oracle binary and install that, or to backport openjdk-7-jre from wheezy |
| 02:49.24 | stew | Andorin: no you'd not install it directly, you'd backport it |
| 02:50.11 | Andorin | Oracle's binary appears to be... nonfunctional... either that or their installation instructions are just plain awful. I could backport from wheezy but would it be recommended? |
| 02:50.37 | stew | Andorin: the first option "binary from oracle" has the best chance at being an easy way to install and get a working java, but will not play well with the package system |
| 02:51.03 | stew | Andorin: the second way "java-package" will create package manager friendly packages, which will possible be missing stuff |
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| 02:51.27 | stew | Andorin: the third way is more effort, but should have good results |
| 02:52.03 | Andorin | Let's try it the third way |
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| 02:54.08 | Andorin | https://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml These instructions state that running tar will bring up a license agreement... I believe they omitted an important command from the installation instructions |
| 02:55.57 | stew | nice |
| 02:56.59 | stew | they also tell you to first make the .tar.gz executable |
| 02:57.17 | stew | "chmod a+x jre-7u<version>-linux-i586.tar.gz" |
| 02:57.22 | Andorin | That isn't necessary to extract it, is it? |
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| 02:57.35 | nevyn | nope |
| 02:57.37 | stew | no |
| 02:57.48 | dvs | maybe.... er.... no |
| 02:57.51 | nevyn | java-package is the "rightway" to do this btw. |
| 02:58.08 | Andorin | Whatever you gentlemen recommend |
| 02:58.22 | stew | nevyn: i disagree |
| 02:58.24 | nevyn | which builds the tar.gz into a .deb and configures alternatives etc |
| 02:58.48 | Andorin | oh boy. =/ |
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| 02:59.01 | fr0ggie | how does one make sqlite (preferably with PDO) work on debian/wheezy? |
| 02:59.08 | stew | there is a free version in wheezy which in this case is actually the reference implementation of java 7. that's a much better alternative than trying to take this non-free version and wedge it into sub-standard packages |
| 02:59.58 | nevyn | stew: oh openjdk is a much better option |
| 03:00.18 | nevyn | stew: unless you need to use stuff that requires java-6 and there's still a lot of that stuff |
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| 03:02.10 | Andorin | Soooo...? |
| 03:03.03 | abrotman | buttons |
| 03:03.34 | nevyn | and other notions |
| 03:04.25 | Andorin | java-package |
| 03:04.33 | Andorin | it's not in my repositories but it's in wheezy and sid |
| 03:04.50 | Andorin | I don't really know how to backport something from either of those... |
| 03:06.34 | Andorin | Also java-package might not help if I need a .bin file... the downloads from java.com do not include .bin files |
| 03:07.12 | Andorin | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=77140 I found this but it wants 'the appropriate .bin' |
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| 03:08.34 | nevyn | Andorin: you should be able to just grab the .deb of that.. it shouldn't require anything too horrible. |
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| 03:08.46 | Andorin | https://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en and the downloads listed here do not include .bin files as far as I've seen |
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| 03:08.50 | nevyn | Andorin: and it might be in backports |
| 03:09.05 | stew | judd: build-depends openjdk-7-jre wheezy |
| 03:09.08 | Andorin | If I can't get the necessary .bin files I can't use java-package anyway, nevyn |
| 03:09.19 | stew | wait, doesn't the bot have something fancy for backporting now? |
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| 03:09.54 | Andorin | At least, according to the instructions in this thread |
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| 03:10.25 | stew | judd: checkbackport openjdk-6-jre --fromrelease wheezy |
| 03:10.32 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-6-jre in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, gcj-4.7-jdk [alpha amd64 armel armhf hppa i386 ia64 lpia powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 m68k mips mipsel sh4 sparc sparc64 s390 s390x], fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
| 03:10.34 | stew | err, wnated 7 |
| 03:10.38 | stew | judd: checkbackport openjdk-7-jre --fromrelease wheezy |
| 03:10.44 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-7-jre in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, librhino-java (>= 1.7R3~), fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
| 03:10.56 | stew | that's probably not good |
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| 03:11.00 | Andorin | =/ |
| 03:11.01 | stew | judd: checkbackport g++-4.7 --fromrelease wheezy |
| 03:11.02 | judd | Backporting package g++-4.7 in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils (>= 2.21.1) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.21.1), libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~);Build-Depends-Indep: doxygen (>= 1.7.2). |
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| 03:12.33 | Andorin | Quite frankly I think java.com is bad and Oracle should feel bad |
| 03:12.57 | dvs | but they won't |
| 03:13.00 | KsM | heh. |
| 03:14.11 | nevyn | no java-package backporting openjdk-7 is going to be horrible. |
| 03:14.14 | Andorin | So options 1 and 2 (install oracle's Java version and use java-package) are out |
| 03:14.23 | Andorin | Which means the only option left is to backport it from squeeze |
| 03:14.33 | Andorin | But stew just pointed out that doing so would result in dependency hell |
| 03:14.38 | nevyn | no ... |
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| 03:14.53 | nevyn | he just talked about backporting openjdk-6 and openjdk-7 |
| 03:15.02 | nevyn | not java-package |
| 03:15.07 | Andorin | to backport it from testing or unstable* |
| 03:15.25 | Andorin | judd: checkbackport openjdk-7-jre --fromrelease wheezy |
| 03:15.30 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-7-jre in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, librhino-java (>= 1.7R3~), fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
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| 03:15.56 | Andorin | I don't fully understand what that means but to me it says "dependency hell" |
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| 03:18.25 | Andorin | So what? Is it impossible to get Java 7 on squeeze? |
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| 03:19.11 | nevyn | judd: checkbackport java-package --fromrelease wheezy |
| 03:19.12 | judd | Backporting package java-package in wheezy→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 03:19.22 | nevyn | that's what I'm talking about ^^ |
| 03:19.33 | nevyn | judd: checkbackport java-package --fromrelease sid |
| 03:19.34 | judd | Backporting package java-package in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 03:20.18 | Andorin | nevyn: How am I supposed to use java-package if I cannot get the correct download from java.com? |
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| 03:20.55 | nevyn | java-package takes the .zip and spits out a deb. |
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| 03:22.01 | Andorin | There is no .zip either |
| 03:22.08 | Andorin | Just .tar.gz archives. |
| 03:22.49 | nevyn | bleh it takes the tar.gz |
| 03:24.23 | Andorin | Okay. |
| 03:25.01 | Andorin | So. How do I get java-package from wheezy? |
| 03:25.39 | asciiker | stew: been reading, seems easier to try to downgrade perl back to 5.8 and go from there |
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| 03:27.35 | Ormie | Hello, I need answers now |
| 03:28.00 | Ormie | Can I do a OEM debian install on my computer? |
| 03:28.08 | Ormie | I am not a manufacture |
| 03:28.34 | Ormie | I want this to happen when I start the computer for the first time: |
| 03:28.51 | Ormie | i want it to ask for setup info |
| 03:29.02 | Ormie | i mean, user acc info |
| 03:29.06 | Ormie | ANYONE? |
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| 03:29.47 | Ormie | what |
| 03:30.00 | Ormie | what's wrong with u guys today? |
| 03:30.21 | beardy | !hurry |
| 03:30.22 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 03:30.24 | nevyn | Ormie: so you want some sort of firstboot wizard thing? |
| 03:30.49 | Ormie | nevyn, yes |
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| 03:31.03 | DataLinkDroid | Ormie: have you tried boxing around the ears? :) |
| 03:31.04 | nevyn | hrm. I dunno that there's anything canned for doing that. |
| 03:31.23 | Ormie | huh? |
| 03:31.52 | Ormie | never mind about that question, then... |
| 03:31.54 | Andorin | andorin@alpha:~/Downloads/jre1.7.0_04$ sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install java-package |
| 03:31.54 | Andorin | E: Unable to locate package java-package |
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| 03:32.13 | gnarface | Ormie: though I don't know how exactly, what you are generally talking about should be *basically* possible by just pre-loading the computer with a customized grub install that automatically boots to the debian-installer stored on a local bootable harddrive partition somewhere, but what you envision seems to imply some level of customization of the installer. |
| 03:32.23 | nevyn | Andorin: yeah it's not in backports you'll need to grab the source and build it. |
| 03:32.28 | Andorin | Ugh. |
| 03:32.38 | Ormie | gnarface, that is what i wanted. |
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| 03:33.11 | Andorin | nevyn: I am very inexperienced with building packages from source and I'm afraid of screwing it up. |
| 03:33.26 | beardy | Ormie: You probably want to decide what should be installed, and simply install Debian on the drive, then script something that is run once, on boot, to set up user accounts. |
| 03:33.39 | nevyn | so unpack the package and dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us should do it |
| 03:33.40 | Ormie | beardy, ok |
| 03:33.56 | Andorin | nevyn: From where should I download the source? |
| 03:34.12 | gnarface | Ormie: well if you figure out exactly how or find a howto specifically outlining it, let me know, cause i'd like to know how to do that too. but beardy is probably right... its probably easier by far to just copy over a pre-installed image |
| 03:34.23 | Ormie | I am buying a laptop for myself, I want to see the list of compatible model and brand of every hardware |
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| 03:35.06 | Ormie | gnarface, thx, im gonna make a auto configure script, then |
| 03:35.12 | gnarface | Ormie: there's no "official" list but this list is fairly extensive (if incomplete) http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 03:35.17 | beardy | Since it's up to everyone what they want to install and use, in this case it's probably better to decide for the user, if you are going to support them, and give them a positive experience. |
| 03:35.32 | Andorin | nevyn: http://packages.debian.org/sid/misc/java-package This? |
| 03:35.52 | Andorin | Or this one, rather? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/misc/java-package |
| 03:35.58 | Ormie | why sometimes the help team is quiet |
| 03:36.29 | beardy | There is no "help team". We are here just like you, never get anything for replying, often not even a thank you. |
| 03:36.39 | stew | Ormie: we are protesting our low wages |
| 03:36.52 | Ormie | ? |
| 03:37.10 | nevyn | Andorin: yes |
| 03:37.12 | gnarface | Ormie: we're all volunteers. there is no official staff |
| 03:37.20 | Ormie | ... |
| 03:37.23 | Ormie | i see |
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| 03:37.57 | stew | Ormie: you should read about "preseeding" there should be info on the wiki about it |
| 03:38.02 | Ormie | gnarface, i want the list because no one knows linux in my country |
| 03:38.11 | Ormie | i want to look for the specs myself |
| 03:38.28 | Andorin | nevyn: packages.debian.org gave me a .deb for java-package which is currently downloading dependencies |
| 03:39.19 | beardy | Ormie: Which country is that? |
| 03:39.25 | gnarface | Ormie: well http://www.linux-laptop.net/ has a fairly extensive list of user-contributed tips on getting various things working with various laptop models. if you want the easiest possible experience its a good idea to make sure you chose something well documented to require few tweaks |
| 03:39.25 | Ormie | Thailand |
| 03:39.40 | Ormie | um... |
| 03:39.40 | gnarface | dpkg, thailand? |
| 03:39.42 | dpkg | i don't know, gnarface |
| 03:40.04 | DataLinkDroid | Ormie: most laptops will work with debian. so you might just find one you like and then double check its compatibility. |
| 03:40.06 | beardy | Well, I know one, and a few others, but they might be scarce yes.. :) |
| 03:40.57 | nevyn | DataLinkDroid: with the possible exception of some very very new ultrabooks |
| 03:41.06 | Ormie | If i choose the one that doesn't support debian, you guys gonna have to help me out, OK? |
| 03:41.14 | beardy | Ormie: Like suggested it's easier to pick something, and then check what the experience is by searching the web. Extremely new chipsets and uncommon ones will give more problems. Common things works perfectly mostly. |
| 03:41.25 | Andorin | nevyn: Okay, I ran make-jpkg on the .tar I downloaded from java.com and I got "No matching plugin was found." |
| 03:41.32 | gnarface | Ormie: we gonna have to do no such thing... but we probably will anyway |
| 03:41.45 | Ormie | done :D |
| 03:42.08 | beardy | Ormie: Extremely few manufacturers claim to "support" linux at all. Search for user experience. |
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| 03:42.25 | Ormie | what are user experience? |
| 03:42.33 | beardy | Ormie: With a little patience and the will to learn and search yourself too will always get you help. |
| 03:42.39 | Andorin | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/MeaKXjds |
| 03:42.41 | Ormie | ... |
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| 03:42.56 | Ormie | UX |
| 03:43.03 | gnarface | Ormie: just check on the wireless and video card support first... the debian installer doesn't include non-free drivers so that's whats likely to make it most difficult for you as a first timer - i'd advise getting a laptop that doesn't require proprietary drivers for video and wifi and that eliminates most your potential trouble during install |
| 03:43.18 | beardy | Ormie: I mean, if you can find people writing about the laptop model, if there seems to be alot of things that isn't working, or if there exists positive articles, guides, how-to:s about it. |
| 03:43.37 | nevyn | Andorin: you've downloaded the i586 binary |
| 03:43.43 | asciiker | hey, can I update dpkg? it's trowing out all kinds of errors |
| 03:43.48 | User530-207-9476 | JuanCarlos of Freenode and [[Wikipedia:User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] of Wikipedia is Brandon Killion. His personal cell # is: (530) 207-9476. |
| 03:43.51 | User530-207-9476 | His dad is: |
| 03:43.53 | User530-207-9476 | <br>Jim D Killion |
| 03:43.55 | User530-207-9476 | <br>(530) 669-5708 |
| 03:43.57 | User530-207-9476 | <br>248 Arlington Cir |
| 03:43.59 | Ormie | as i say in my country people will install windblows at always, they won't help me with linux |
| 03:43.59 | User530-207-9476 | <br>Woodland, CA 95695-2878 |
| 03:44.01 | User530-207-9476 | Mom is Rhonda, and a brother is Seth. |
| 03:44.03 | User530-207-9476 | His house is worth about $153,000. |
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| 03:44.09 | Ormie | User530-207-9476, AND YOU STOP FLOODING! |
| 03:44.30 | stew | i'm assuming staff is seeing this |
| 03:44.35 | z28 | !beer stew |
| 03:44.36 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Gulden Drak for stew |
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| 03:44.38 | nevyn | Andorin: you're using x86_64 |
| 03:44.39 | beardy | !assume |
| 03:44.40 | dpkg | Don't assume, just KNOW. |
| 03:44.48 | beardy | Meh.. |
| 03:45.02 | stew | you see, i can know that when I said that, i triggered some /hilights :) |
| 03:45.05 | Andorin | nevyn: Yes, but java.com says to use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support. |
| 03:45.07 | nevyn | Andorin: so you need the x64 version of java |
| 03:45.14 | Andorin | Anyway I will try the x64 version |
| 03:45.20 | beardy | But I wanted the ass u mee! |
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| 03:45.27 | stew | it shouldn't matter, java-pacakge is an arch:all package |
| 03:46.00 | nevyn | stew: we're talking about the downloaded java binary |
| 03:46.08 | stew | Andorin: /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED is a list of regexes of things it supports |
| 03:46.12 | Ormie | stew, why do ops have to hide them self? |
| 03:46.27 | beardy | Ormie: Which laptop had you considered getting then? (You might also find better hardware help in ##hardware.) |
| 03:46.29 | stew | Ormie: they don't at all |
| 03:46.51 | stew | nevyn: yes, and that list of SUPPORTED things doens't change arch to arch, so it doesn't really matter what his host arch is |
| 03:46.56 | Andorin | it's building the package |
| 03:47.00 | Ormie | beardy, cheap and good |
| 03:47.22 | Ormie | i am new at buying one |
| 03:47.29 | Andorin | installing |
| 03:47.40 | Andorin | going to test it |
| 03:47.41 | Ormie | i don't have experience buying things. |
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| 03:48.14 | nevyn | Andorin: run update-java-alternatives --display and check things are as expected. |
| 03:48.27 | Andorin | It seems to be functioning |
| 03:48.29 | Andorin | But sure |
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| 03:48.43 | stew | Ormie: for a laptop, unless you are worried about more exotic things like cellular modems and fingerprint scanners and webcams and stuff like that, if you are instead interested in "i just want something that does basic stuff" then the source of most of your potential pain will be in the video card and the wireless |
| 03:48.48 | stew | Ormie: so I'd concentrate there |
| 03:49.10 | Andorin | nevyn: Just 'update-java-alternatives --display' gives help info |
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| 03:49.16 | stew | Ormie: for video card, the sure bet unless you do serious gaming or 3d rendering is intel, without a doubt |
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| 03:49.41 | stew | Ormie: if gaming / 3d is important, all the options suck |
| 03:49.49 | Ormie | ok |
| 03:49.59 | nomasteryoda | hybrid graphics with intel and nvidia suck too... |
| 03:50.01 | gnarface | well, recent model mac laptops do alright for gaming |
| 03:50.05 | gnarface | (in linux) |
| 03:50.10 | nomasteryoda | stick with nvidia if you want optimal |
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| 03:50.19 | stew | gnarface: with which video driver? |
| 03:50.30 | stew | nomasteryoda: with which video driver? |
| 03:50.58 | stew | nomasteryoda: and define, "optimal"? |
| 03:50.59 | nomasteryoda | the proprietary driver worked best with my 760 |
| 03:51.05 | gnarface | stew: oh, well nothing that works out-of-the box with the debian installer... i didn't mean to suggest that a linux gaming rig isn't a task to be avoided for a beginner |
| 03:51.07 | stew | nomasteryoda: right, so sucks |
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| 03:51.26 | Andorin | nevyn: But other than that. it seems to be working just fine so far. MANY thanks to yourself, and stew, and anyone else who helped that I've forgotten |
| 03:51.38 | Andorin | I had no hope and you guys came through for me |
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| 03:51.49 | nomasteryoda | stew, but a friend just had luck with a $400 A6 video amd samsung from worstbuy |
| 03:52.04 | stew | nomasteryoda: what is "A6 video"? |
| 03:52.07 | nomasteryoda | 15" and installed fedora without a hitch... i'm sure debian would work too |
| 03:52.09 | Sav1or | lol worstbuy |
| 03:52.12 | nomasteryoda | amd |
| 03:52.22 | stew | that is a video card? |
| 03:52.24 | nomasteryoda | aka ati |
| 03:52.53 | stew | nomasteryoda: works in fedora without a hitch using free software? or with more sucky proprietary drivers? |
| 03:53.03 | beardy | Ormie: If you want to be able to do proper 3D acceleration, Nvidia is the only real option. |
| 03:53.18 | sidney_ | A6 is not a processor |
| 03:53.23 | Ormie | i don't like NVIDIA |
| 03:53.30 | Ormie | everyone has problem with it |
| 03:53.43 | stew | Ormie: do you do a lot of 3d that requires accelleration? |
| 03:54.04 | nomasteryoda | A6 quad-core video chip |
| 03:54.20 | beardy | Ormie: If you are just going to do "normal user" things, web browsing, wathcing movies, listen to music, write things, go with Intel. |
| 03:54.23 | stew | nomasteryoda: something tells me that's not going to help him with his latop decision |
| 03:54.32 | nomasteryoda | stew, free as in i installed off the net and it worked perfectly |
| 03:54.46 | stew | nomasteryoda: sounds shitty |
| 03:54.53 | Ormie | stew, i play Nintendo 64 games from mupen64plus |
| 03:54.59 | gnarface | Ormie: (hint, if you intend to play starcraft 2, diablo 3, or World of Warcraft through wine on linux, then *yes* you do intend to do 3d acceleration... but if you don't need it the intel video cards that don't do 3d acceleration for shit will be much easier to set up) |
| 03:55.21 | nomasteryoda | played blue-ray 1080p video file without tearing |
| 03:55.27 | nomasteryoda | no lag ... |
| 03:56.08 | Ormie | gnarface, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=mupen64plus |
| 03:57.11 | gnarface | Ormie: no idea, sorry |
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| 03:57.49 | Ormie | nvm |
| 03:58.19 | gnarface | Ormie: may not require much because the nintendo64 was basically just an 8meg Voodoo1 card but, that said, emulators typically do require much more horsepower (usually on the cpu end) than their original hardware counterparts |
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| 03:58.58 | gnarface | Ormie: but if you use that on another computer then you might want to make sure the laptop you get at least has equivalent specs |
| 03:59.15 | beardy | Ormie: OpenGL 2D stuff works ok with an Intel-card. I don't know how emulation of N64 usually does it, or what that emulator uses. |
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| 03:59.54 | Ormie | um... |
| 03:59.55 | Ormie | ok |
| 04:00.18 | beardy | Ormie: What graphics card do you have in the box you run that in now? |
| 04:01.01 | Ormie | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 04:02.17 | Ormie | it provides the worst graphics for mupen64plus |
| 04:02.28 | Ormie | i can't play paper mario 64 :( |
| 04:03.12 | gnarface | Ormie: ok so that's a very recent Intel card. unfortunately for you this means your requirements will not be met by easy-to-configure, open-source-driver-supported hardware |
| 04:04.27 | Ormie | gnarface, this computer is designed for windows 7 or better, i choose linux, i think my computer loves it but my hardware hates it. :( |
| 04:05.09 | gnarface | Ormie: its just that you have the world's cheapest piece of shit video card that's all |
| 04:05.20 | Ormie | wut the heck? |
| 04:05.41 | Ormie | 'cus i don't have much money |
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| 04:05.48 | JoeHazzers | channel full, eh? |
| 04:06.12 | gnarface | Ormie: yea, i'm sorry but its true. laptops are too expensive for gaming, that's why my gaming rigs are non-portable |
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| 04:07.02 | Ormie | gnarface, listen. just take out that gaming, i'm not playing games after you said that, i am just gonna do programming. |
| 04:07.31 | sidney_ | will someone post the /msg for installing nvidia drivers |
| 04:07.48 | gnarface | Ormie: oh. well whats the problem with the machine you got? |
| 04:07.52 | Ormie | !tell sidney_ about nvidia |
| 04:08.01 | sidney_ | thanks |
| 04:08.04 | Ormie | gnarface, my mom wants it |
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| 04:08.24 | Ormie | now i need a new laptop |
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| 04:09.31 | Ormie | smacks ormie |
| 04:09.40 | gnarface | Ormie: http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html |
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| 04:10.29 | Ormie | thx |
| 04:11.35 | Ormie | gnarface, don't you think debian is too hard for windows users that are new to linux, i am experienced user, i had to type alot in terminal |
| 04:11.43 | Ormie | not much to do in gui |
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| 04:12.41 | gnarface | Ormie: yes |
| 04:13.13 | gnarface | Ormie: first debian makes you smarter |
| 04:13.28 | Ormie | gnarface, you mean, yes, it's hard or no, it's easy |
| 04:13.50 | gnarface | Ormie: yes, its hard, but I think it is a good thing |
| 04:14.01 | Ormie | ... |
| 04:14.08 | gnarface | Ormie: it teaches you important things |
| 04:14.25 | gnarface | Ormie: things that are even important for Windows users to know... but windows will never teach you |
| 04:15.03 | Ormie | may be i can tell her that she is using the Operating system that is a pure operating system that everything base on in. and the OS is the original line of Debian family |
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| 04:16.35 | Ormie | gnarface, it would better to give her something easy first. |
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| 04:17.39 | gnarface | Ormie: the package quality in Debian is higher, but many things will require manual configuration, so you have to learn about the software you're installing. this is a good thing, but if you'd rather sacrifice package quality for preconfiguration (and you WILL sacrifice it) then a different distro may be better for your mom unless you plan on helping support her |
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| 04:18.29 | gnarface | Ormie: but *we* won't support other distros *here* ... so you'll have to chose between us too |
| 04:18.41 | Ormie | so sad |
| 04:18.45 | Ormie | you made me cry |
| 04:18.51 | gnarface | Ormie: i'm sorry |
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| 04:19.16 | Ormie | don't worry, the new laptop for myself will be debian, since the GRUB boot loader looks good |
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| 04:24.18 | gnarface | Ormie: debian gets easier the more you use it, ubuntu gets more difficult the more you use it |
| 04:24.35 | gnarface | Ormie: but ubuntu starts out easier than debian does |
| 04:25.49 | lasers` | Except debian testing. :'( |
| 04:26.03 | lasers` | Well, that or Gnome3. I can't decide yet. :) |
| 04:26.24 | lasers` | Leaning more on Gnome3 though. :) |
| 04:26.26 | gnarface | Ormie: the fundamental difference where you're concerned is likely to be that Ubuntu for example, will come packaged with proprietary Nvidia video drivers, so that's one less thing to figure out (if it works) where as in debian you have to install them manually from the open source (non-3d) ones |
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| 04:27.43 | gnarface | Ormie: that's just an example, but its similar in formula to the common problems people run into with wireless ethernet in debian for example too |
| 04:28.12 | Ormie | gnarface, I know what you mean: Once installed, I have to tweak it to make things work and suite my needs, once done, I can use it with ease? |
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| 04:28.44 | gnarface | Ormie: yes, exactly |
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| 04:29.30 | Ormie | right |
| 04:32.15 | nimred | here is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/P2yBLgBS |
| 04:32.30 | nimred | what do I have to do to enable testing? |
| 04:33.38 | gnarface | dpkg, tell nimred about squeeze->testing |
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| 04:33.56 | gnarface | dpkg, tell nimred about squeeze->wheezy? |
| 04:34.07 | gnarface | there we go |
| 04:34.13 | gnarface | check the info bot's note nimred |
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| 04:37.12 | nimred | gnarface: but I do not wnat to use wheezy |
| 04:37.31 | lasers` | nimred: That's testing. |
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| 04:37.59 | nimred | lasers`: oops ok |
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| 04:42.10 | stew | nimred: testing isn't something you "enable". It's something you follow a procedure to upgrade to entirely |
| 04:42.22 | stew | irreversibly |
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| 04:44.08 | nimred | stew: ok |
| 04:44.14 | nimred | should http://pastebin.com/F4fftse4 be OK? |
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| 04:45.17 | n-iCe | I'm in a lot of problems! I configurated an ad-hoc with network manager, in gnome 3 wheezy but it does not stop of trying to connect to it, is crazy I can't stop it with gui, any idea? I have another card running internet right now, but if I do ifconfig wlan0 down my wlan1 goes down as well and I lose internet, any idea?! thanks! |
| 04:45.20 | stew | nimred: sure, note that your "security" line actually gets you no packages, as wheezy currently does not have any security support |
| 04:46.05 | stew | nimred: i'm sure you aren't surprised that your commented out cd lines are not valid |
| 04:46.43 | stew | nimred: to actually upgrade, follow a procedure similar to what you would do for one stable release to another (so perhas look at chater 4 from previous stable release notes) |
| 04:47.27 | nimred | stew: what do you mean about commented out cd lines? What's wrong with it? |
| 04:48.07 | stew | nimred: no such cdrom exists which has wheezy packages |
| 04:48.29 | squarepeg | -_- |
| 04:48.45 | squarepeg | >_> |
| 04:48.48 | squarepeg | <_< |
| 04:48.57 | stew | nimred: since the cdroms they reference are squeeze cdroms |
| 04:49.08 | stew | squarepeg: what's going on there? |
| 04:49.24 | squarepeg | nothing |
| 04:49.48 | squarepeg | I just swapped my wireless card on my debian system |
| 04:49.49 | stew | squarepeg: if you have a debian question, just ask it. if you want to play, perhaps try #test |
| 04:49.58 | nimred | stew: oops sure |
| 04:50.18 | nimred | do I have to comment out security lines? |
| 04:50.44 | stew | nimred: no, they are fine, the point to a repository that currently is completely empty |
| 04:50.48 | n-iCe | nobody? |
| 04:50.54 | stew | nimred: since testing currently has no security support |
| 04:51.07 | stew | nimred: why are you moving to testing? |
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| 04:52.37 | nimred | stew: because I need to use some packages that are not available for stable release |
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| 04:54.00 | stew | nimred: why can't you use backports? |
| 04:54.11 | stew | nimred: what are some example packages? |
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| 04:57.20 | nimred | stew: xmonad 0.10, dwb, and some other |
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| 04:57.31 | n-iCe_ | how can I stop an ad-hoc is stuck goes on and off |
| 04:58.12 | stew | judd: versions xmonad |
| 04:58.13 | judd | Package: xmonad on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-2; lenny-backports: 0.8-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.1-2+b1; wheezy: 0.10-2; sid: 0.10-4+b2 |
| 04:58.30 | stew | judd: checkbackport xmonad --fromwrelease wheezy |
| 04:58.32 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <i386>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 04:58.53 | simonlnu | typo |
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| 04:59.04 | stew | judd: checkbackport xmonad --fromrelease wheezy |
| 04:59.24 | judd | Backporting package xmonad in wheezy→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: haskell-devscripts (>= 0.8), ghc-doc, libghc-x11-dev (>= 1.5), libghc-x11-dev (<< 1.6), libghc-x11-doc, libghc-x11-prof, libghc-mtl-dev, libghc-mtl-doc, libghc-mtl-prof, libghc-utf8-string-dev, libghc-utf8-string-doc, libghc-utf8-string-prof. |
| 04:59.49 | stew | well then |
| 04:59.55 | simonlnu | no can do bp |
| 05:00.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 05:00.12 | stew | if xmonan 0.10 is a requirement, you get to help us with testing! |
| 05:00.18 | simonlnu | *tweet tweet* |
| 05:00.19 | stew | xmonad! |
| 05:00.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a channel for trinity rescue kit |
| 05:00.33 | nimred | stew: what do you mean? |
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| 05:01.10 | jelly-home | so it's "just" haskell |
| 05:02.15 | stew | nimred: i mean that it doesn't look in the least bit trivial to backport, so you get to upgrade to the release which we are trying to stabilize for release, and thus will help us testin both the sqeueeze → wheezy upgrade path and wheezy itself |
| 05:04.14 | nimred | stew: sorry I didn't understand your explanation :( |
| 05:04.21 | nimred | Is testing the good choice? |
| 05:04.47 | stew | hmm, perhaps all these haskell thingies actually backport simply |
| 05:05.11 | stew | nimred: do you understand what testing is in the debian release cycle? |
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| 05:05.34 | nimred | stew: not sure |
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| 05:06.33 | stew | nimred: testing is the next candidate for a stable release of debian. we are about to enter a perious where it becomes "frozen" and the only packages which enter testing are ones which fix release critical bugs |
| 05:06.55 | nsadmin | what's the freeze date? |
| 05:06.57 | stew | nimred: then when all the RC bug are fixed, we release it, and testing becomes stable |
| 05:07.12 | stew | nsadmin: "soon" |
| 05:07.21 | Devastator- | like 2 years heh |
| 05:07.36 | stew | Devastator-: uh, no |
| 05:07.37 | nsadmin | iiuc, like 2 weeks |
| 05:07.41 | stew | probably less |
| 05:07.47 | nsadmin | or, this month, or something |
| 05:08.04 | stew | we are already treating NEW as if we are partially frozen |
| 05:08.11 | Devastator- | this is going too fast, squeeze was just released |
| 05:08.15 | stew | (not because RT says so, just anticipating...) |
| 05:08.21 | nimred | stew: ok. Well I will experiment: in case I encounter too much troubles I will come back to stable |
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| 05:08.35 | nimred | Do I have to create a preference file for apt? |
| 05:08.41 | stew | nimred: just realize that "come back to stable" is a reinstall |
| 05:08.49 | nsadmin | stew, you mean need permission to upload? |
| 05:09.07 | nimred | stew: yes I know this |
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| 05:09.36 | nimred | stew: do I need to create a prefernce file for apt? |
| 05:09.51 | stew | nsadmin: no, never. but if you upload a new SONAME we are going to ask RT whether or not we should possilby ACCEPT |
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| 05:10.03 | stew | nimred: no |
| 05:10.25 | nimred | ok. Thanks for your help stew |
| 05:10.37 | lotus-blade | I just installed 6.0.5. I am getting error incompatable license grub rescue> |
| 05:10.45 | lotus-blade | Any ideas? |
| 05:10.46 | stew | nsadmin: so perhaps you *should* have permission to upload, when ou are uploading a new SONAME, but you can anyway |
| 05:11.00 | stew | nsadmin: it will still go in NEW, we will probably not accept it |
| 05:11.12 | nsadmin | a SONAME is akin to an additional library, yes? |
| 05:11.30 | stew | nsadmin: libfoo1 vs libfoo2 |
| 05:11.48 | gnarface | lotus-blade: maybe it would be relevant to tell us what *else* you did. |
| 05:11.59 | stew | nsadmin: its akin to changing the binary compatibility of your library |
| 05:12.15 | nsadmin | so you'd have a soname changed if for example you wanted to assert a different api |
| 05:12.18 | stew | nsadmin: and it means a new package name (libfoo1 vs libfoo2) so it hits new processing |
| 05:12.18 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 05:12.25 | stew | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:12.34 | lotus-blade | all i did was install from the net install cd |
| 05:12.35 | stew | nsadmin: if things that depend on you need to be recompiled |
| 05:12.56 | stew | nsadmin: with or without source changes |
| 05:13.15 | lotus-blade | Fresh install |
| 05:13.24 | nsadmin | so potentially you could make a lot of people recompile, and RT wants to evaluate whether that's necessary |
| 05:14.12 | nsadmin | lotus-blade, squeeze netinstall? |
| 05:14.42 | lotus-blade | If that is what 6 is called |
| 05:14.50 | nsadmin | yes it is |
| 05:14.52 | stew | nsadmin: often it also means source code changes. either way it requires coordination from the RT. they are not expecting ANY new transitions, so this shouldn't be happening now |
| 05:15.09 | stew | nsadmin: so if it does, we want to let them know what it is so they can decide if it should progress |
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| 05:15.45 | nsadmin | right, so all transitions should have wound to a close by probably today |
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| 05:16.13 | stew | nsadmin: so its not "a lot of people recompile" its either "a lot of buildds recompile" if it just needs a binnmu, or "we need a bunch of patches and re-uploads" or "this actually doens't have r-deps, so whatever" |
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| 05:16.55 | nsadmin | what are some of the major transitions as compared to squeeze? |
| 05:17.40 | lotus-blade | Any one ever see a grub error after fresh install? |
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| 05:18.07 | nsadmin | how would you find it? is it bigger than a breadbox? |
| 05:18.30 | nsadmin | lotus-blade, there have been occasions |
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| 05:18.43 | nsadmin | is your installation booting? |
| 05:19.15 | stew | gnome3? |
| 05:19.25 | lotus-blade | No it goes to grub rescue right off the bat |
| 05:19.33 | stew | nsadmin: perhaps look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=release.debian.org@packages.debian.org;tag=transition |
| 05:19.38 | stew | and http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
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| 05:20.02 | nsadmin | ok, cool. it's support time... |
| 05:20.38 | nsadmin | lotus-blade, do you see grub>? |
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| 05:21.04 | lotus-blade | Grub rescue> |
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| 05:21.22 | nsadmin | what happens if you hit tab a coupla times? |
| 05:21.52 | nsadmin | oh, and did you install any kind of grub rescue facility before? |
| 05:21.55 | lotus-blade | Nothing |
| 05:22.26 | nsadmin | what happens if you type root = ( |
| 05:22.35 | nsadmin | then you hit tab a coupla times? |
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| 05:22.45 | nsadmin | I dunno what the rescue part is |
| 05:23.20 | nsadmin | could it be booting the cd? |
| 05:23.29 | lotus-blade | Nothing with tab |
| 05:23.41 | lotus-blade | No cd in drive |
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| 05:23.56 | nsadmin | how did you install, if I might ask? |
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| 05:24.12 | lotus-blade | Cd netinstall |
| 05:24.44 | lotus-blade | Is there a grub command to see config? |
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| 05:26.21 | lotus-blade | Incompatible license? Never seen ths before |
| 05:26.47 | nsadmin | ok, cool... well you need to find out the problem... it looks like you know that... maybe you will first need to learn what's available in the grub rescue shell |
| 05:27.42 | nsadmin | you haven't told us what you did to get the message Incompatible license |
| 05:28.53 | nsadmin | oic, it was when you first posted |
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| 05:29.17 | lotus-blade | Installed the system and that was all |
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| 05:30.00 | laurus | To print, the user must be a member of what group? |
| 05:30.45 | solifugus | Using stock Debian, is there a way to specify config options in advance and initiate auto-install? Also, a way to automatically run a post-installation script? |
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| 05:31.19 | nsadmin | solifugus, yes... I've never done it. you could look into fai |
| 05:31.24 | nsadmin | !fai |
| 05:31.25 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:31.42 | solifugus | msadmin.. ok.. thanks.. i will.. |
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| 05:32.10 | nsadmin | stew, that the "best" one? are there others worth mentioning? |
| 05:32.42 | hello | where is gdmgreeter ? |
| 05:33.44 | nsadmin | , v gdmgreeter |
| 05:33.45 | judd | No package named 'gdmgreeter' was found in i386. |
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| 05:33.56 | nsadmin | , file bin/gdmgreeter |
| 05:34.00 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 05:34.08 | stew | nsadmin: no idea |
| 05:34.34 | hello | squeeze have no gdmgreeter ? instead ? |
| 05:34.48 | stew | solifugus: look for preseend |
| 05:35.31 | nsadmin | hello, I remember that name |
| 05:35.40 | nsadmin | let;s see, let's take the filter off |
| 05:35.46 | nsadmin | , file gdmgreeter |
| 05:35.48 | lotus-blade | I had ubuntu installed before. Could i need to flush the mbr? |
| 05:35.50 | judd | Search for gdmgreeter in squeeze/i386: gdm: usr/lib/gdm/gdmgreeter |
| 05:36.15 | nsadmin | so it's in package gdm |
| 05:36.28 | hello | :) |
| 05:36.34 | beardy | Great. Just as I was going to post the result of my manually kindly dpkg -S gdmgreeter |
| 05:36.53 | hello | but I can`t find it in /usr/bin/* anymore .... |
| 05:37.09 | nsadmin | hello, neither could I |
| 05:37.19 | nsadmin | or any bin/* |
| 05:37.31 | beardy | Doesn't seem to have ever been there. |
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| 05:38.32 | beardy | !wayttd hello |
| 05:38.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hello? |
| 05:38.55 | hello | is it being replaced ? |
| 05:39.05 | beardy | hello: Just start gdm if that's it. '/etc/init.d/gdm start' or restart. |
| 05:39.10 | nsadmin | hello is evidently trying to greet :) |
| 05:39.26 | hello | I want to set up a vncserver ... |
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| 05:39.32 | beardy | !vnc |
| 05:39.33 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
| 05:40.11 | lotus-blade | Ok aparently i need to redo my mbr. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 05:40.23 | beardy | lotus-blade: Says who/what? |
| 05:40.49 | nsadmin | beardy, booting lands him in grub rescue shell |
| 05:40.59 | beardy | nsadmin: Ah. |
| 05:41.00 | lotus-blade | It was a simple command in winblows fdisk /mbr |
| 05:41.20 | nsadmin | lotus-blade, you did that after installing debina? |
| 05:41.27 | beardy | lotus-blade: It's as simple as reinstalling grub, if the reason for what happened to you isn't severe. |
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| 05:41.59 | beardy | lotus-blade: What happened previously to you landing in a grub shell? |
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| 05:42.40 | lotus-blade | Nope i had ubuntu on my box before and from what i find that is the cause |
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| 05:43.11 | lotus-blade | Did fresh install yo replace ubuntu |
| 05:43.22 | Devastator- | oh, grub rescue prompt was from ubuntu's grub i bet |
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| 05:43.43 | beardy | lotus-blade: Ok, so when you installed Debian, did you choose to install grub in the mbr as the last step before rebooting? |
| 05:43.57 | lotus-blade | Yes |
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| 05:44.33 | beardy | lotus-blade: A guess is that you didn't choose mbr, but installed Debian's grub on the partition, and that you have your old grub in your mbr. |
| 05:44.40 | lotus-blade | 3 times now |
| 05:45.19 | nsadmin | how many drives are connected? |
| 05:45.30 | squarepeg | I must have gotten a bad driver |
| 05:45.30 | lotus-blade | Nope chose for mbr, but wii try again |
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| 05:46.29 | lotus-blade | 3, 2 500gig raid0 and a 750gig where i installed everything |
| 05:46.34 | beardy | lotus-blade: You don't need to run through the installer again if you have completed it. You can boot a live system and chroot into your installed system and try to update-grub from within it after chroot:ing. |
| 05:47.33 | lotus-blade | How? Dithis from netinstall cd |
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| 05:49.53 | beardy | It might be a good idea to make sure you are really booting from the correct disk.. is the 750gig the one you are booting from, is it the first disk, or the one choosen in your BIOS to boot from? |
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| 05:54.45 | lotus-blade | bios sees it as first dvrive and it has always been the master drive |
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| 05:57.01 | lotus-blade | What command can i use to see if grub is looking at the right drive |
| 05:57.36 | jagginess | lotus-blade, ? |
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| 05:58.16 | jagginess | lotus-blade, it's best to use UUID= rather than /dev/sd# |
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| 05:58.29 | jagginess | ,/sd##/,... |
| 05:59.53 | lotus-blade | I know nothing about grub. Just trying to get thi incompatable license thing fixed |
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| 06:00.11 | redragonx | hello |
| 06:00.22 | redragonx | anyone here? |
| 06:01.20 | redragonx | i need help with flash player in firefox |
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| 06:03.27 | jagginess | lotus-blade, license? |
| 06:03.55 | lotus-blade | That is the error |
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| 06:04.18 | beardy | lotus-blade: Please paste or type the exact error. |
| 06:05.02 | jagginess | lotus-blade, ya.. what is the error? do you at least get the grub boot menu? |
| 06:05.06 | Ormie | What would be the best brand of laptop that has most experience about compatibility with linux? |
| 06:05.18 | Devastator- | lenovo thinkpad |
| 06:05.26 | Ormie | seriously? |
| 06:05.29 | Ormie | that? |
| 06:05.45 | jagginess | hey, who stole Richard stallman's laptop? |
| 06:05.46 | Ormie | cool XD |
| 06:05.58 | lotus-blade | Error: Incompatible license. Grub rescue> |
| 06:06.07 | redragonx | Help! lol |
| 06:06.20 | cantido | Ormie: anything with mostly intel hardware should just work |
| 06:06.35 | Ormie | Devastator-, i want the one with, 4 GB RAM and 64 bit CPU |
| 06:06.39 | Ormie | does thinkpad have it? |
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| 06:07.18 | cantido | any machine you can buy new should be able to take 4GB+ of RAM and support AMD64 |
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| 06:08.39 | jagginess | lotus-blade, maybe you installed a different grub and something got mixed.. you have two linuxes installed? |
| 06:09.13 | Devastator- | jagginess he had ubuntu before |
| 06:09.21 | lotus-blade | Fresh install over a ubuntu install |
| 06:09.42 | nimred | is there a way to resume a `apt-get dist-upgrade`? |
| 06:09.55 | nevyn | apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 06:10.03 | nimred | ok |
| 06:10.05 | jagginess | lotus-blade, try booting into a rescue prompt with the cd, and do a proper chroot (after mount --bind 3 things), then once in chroot use grub-install |
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| 06:12.12 | jagginess | wonders if this is any good http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/ |
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| 06:13.17 | Devastator- | i was right, debian install, for some reason didn't update grub.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1865214 |
| 06:13.48 | jelly-home | or it installed on a different disk than the one booting |
| 06:13.55 | redragonx | any1 with firefox with flash player working? |
| 06:13.57 | Devastator- | or that.. |
| 06:14.19 | redragonx | i need help |
| 06:14.44 | cantido | redragonx: you need to ask a proper question to get a decent answer |
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| 06:15.04 | redragonx | I did at very above |
| 06:15.10 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 06:15.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:15.14 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 06:15.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 06:15.17 | redragonx | but hhere i go again |
| 06:15.18 | beardy | lotus-blade: I think you still have the Ubuntu grub in your mbr. |
| 06:15.30 | Ormie | cantido, right now, I have my ideapad, I have to tweak things to make hardware work, I want every hardware to work, what machine should i buy? |
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| 06:15.42 | Devastator- | beardy i'm sure he has |
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| 06:16.04 | cantido | Ormie: I have an older HP.. everything works.. but it's all intel hardware |
| 06:16.32 | Ormie | cantido, i can only ask you in my life |
| 06:16.37 | redragonx | I'm having issues making firefox detect flashplayer at all...how do i fix it? |
| 06:16.42 | Ormie | in my country,, no one knows linux |
| 06:16.49 | Ormie | they will not know the hardware |
| 06:16.59 | Ormie | they all use microsock windblows |
| 06:17.12 | cantido | Ormie: you can find out what hardware is inside via google |
| 06:17.18 | Devastator- | i doubt you are the only one.. |
| 06:17.34 | beardy | lotus-blade: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-650435-grub-pc-recsue-mode-doesnt-rescue-error-incompatible-license-help-205594961.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/05/msg01302.htmlgives some clues.. the "license" error means that your grub in mbr is trying to use modules from another version, I guess. (Stupid way to report that with a "license error".) Anyway. |
| 06:17.41 | Ormie | :( |
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| 06:17.58 | cantido | Ormie: there was a "linux on laptops" site a few years ago that listed models and if anyone had success installing a distro on it.. maybe that still exists |
| 06:18.01 | redragonx | Debian 6 64 bit |
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| 06:18.22 | cantido | Ormie: everything has just worked for me on the last 3 laptops I've had though :) |
| 06:18.45 | beardy | Ormie: Ask the seller to let you boot Debian Live from a USB stick or cd on the machine you want to buy and see how well it works. |
| 06:18.48 | Ormie | i just wanna stick with debian, not windblows |
| 06:19.00 | beardy | Ormie: Like we've said, most things work just fine. |
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| 06:19.10 | redragonx | firefox 13 |
| 06:19.14 | Ormie | beardy, boot? |
| 06:19.17 | Ormie | good idea XD |
| 06:19.29 | Ormie | that would work. |
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| 06:19.52 | beardy | Ormie: :) Yep. |
| 06:20.35 | cantido | Ormie: the only thing I think that doesn't work at all is the hotplug GPU stuff.. where you can switch between a low power GPU and a fast GPU. I've never had a machine with it though |
| 06:20.49 | redragonx | I tried installing flash player everyway and none worked |
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| 06:21.31 | cantido | redragonx: I haven't used firefox in ages.. but it does have a dialog that shows you what plugins are installed.. is flashed registered in there? |
| 06:21.59 | redragonx | it does not any plugins |
| 06:22.10 | redragonx | i use about:plugins |
| 06:22.15 | redragonx | to check |
| 06:22.41 | redragonx | see* |
| 06:23.20 | beardy | !adobe flash |
| 06:23.21 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 06:23.41 | redragonx | I reied all of that |
| 06:23.49 | beardy | Do it right. |
| 06:23.50 | redragonx | no success |
| 06:23.57 | cantido | well.. iceweasel here just seems to have picked up the flashplayer provided by the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 06:24.10 | redragonx | iIknow |
| 06:24.21 | beardy | redragonx: Are you running some random Firefox version installed from a tarball? |
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| 06:25.09 | redragonx | i dled my firefox from the main mozilla site with a tarball |
| 06:25.24 | beardy | That's the problem then. |
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| 06:25.42 | redragonx | i installed my ff in /opt/firefox/ |
| 06:26.45 | redragonx | what do you suggest |
| 06:27.43 | beardy | redragonx: To fix it in an ugly way, make a symlink in /opt/firefox/plugins pointing to libflashplayer.so, where it is depends how you installed it. 'locate libflashplayer.so' |
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| 06:28.19 | beardy | redragonx: Or in ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 06:29.28 | redragonx | i did this earilier |
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| 06:29.30 | redragonx | root@SUPERX:/home/stephen/Downloads# ls -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /opt/firefox/plugins/ |
| 06:29.30 | redragonx | /opt/firefox/plugins/: |
| 06:29.38 | redragonx | i tried thatone |
| 06:29.43 | redragonx | doesnt work |
| 06:29.46 | redragonx | but |
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| 06:30.08 | Devastator | redragonx you mean ln -s, right? |
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| 06:30.26 | jelly-home | this works for me since Firefox ... 4 or so: lrwxrwxrwx 1 jelly users 34 Sep 18 2008 .mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so -> /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 06:30.48 | redragonx | root@SUPERX:/home/stephen/Downloads# ls -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /opt/firefox/plugins/ |
| 06:30.56 | redragonx | thats the cmd i used |
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| 06:31.00 | jelly-home | there is no /opt/firefox/plugins directory in recent mozilla's tarballs |
| 06:31.11 | jelly-home | (assuming unpack into /opt/firefox) |
| 06:31.27 | redragonx | i made it myself |
| 06:31.35 | jelly-home | and it's probably not used |
| 06:31.37 | Devastator | redragonx ls is list command |
| 06:31.42 | redragonx | the folder that is |
| 06:31.44 | Devastator | ln is link |
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| 06:31.48 | beardy | redragonx: Do like jelly-home did. |
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| 06:32.11 | redragonx | ok do what |
| 06:32.17 | jelly-home | make that symlink |
| 06:32.46 | jelly-home | redragonx: if you need handholding, cd ~/.mozilla/plugins; ln -s /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 06:32.59 | beardy | And not as root. You aren't running X as root. |
| 06:33.12 | jelly-home | this ought to work if your firefox build and distor architecture are matching |
| 06:33.14 | Devastator | handholding heh |
| 06:33.42 | jelly-home | and if flashplugin-nonfree is installed |
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| 06:35.15 | redragonx | cd ~/.mozilla/plugins; ln -s /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 06:35.16 | redragonx | did not workr |
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| 06:36.31 | redragonx | thE cmd ran fine btw |
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| 06:37.03 | jelly-home | redragonx: verify the thing you symlinked to exists, and that it points to a 32bit plugin if your firefox is 32bit. |
| 06:37.35 | redragonx | btw |
| 06:37.45 | redragonx | not as root yes |
| 06:38.05 | jelly-home | if you have a 64bit system and are using a 32bit browser you're making things harder for yourself |
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| 06:39.23 | redragonx | i dont think ff is 32 bit |
| 06:39.44 | redragonx | how can i check |
| 06:39.58 | cantido | use file on the binary.. |
| 06:40.25 | redragonx | what |
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| 06:40.53 | jelly-home | use the tool "file" |
| 06:40.58 | GeneralStupid | redragonx: ... "whereis firefox" to locate the binary "file BINARY" |
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| 06:41.27 | jelly-home | file /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 06:41.48 | jelly-home | file -L /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 06:41.52 | jelly-home | and so on |
| 06:42.18 | redragonx | i used the file firefox-13.0.tar.bz2 to insstall it |
| 06:43.16 | cantido | redragonx: there is a program called "file" that will guess what a file is.. it will tell you what machine an ELF binary is for too |
| 06:43.22 | redragonx | yes it is the 32 bit ver |
| 06:43.34 | jelly-home | redragonx: and the plugin? |
| 06:44.03 | redragonx | 64 |
| 06:44.25 | Ormie | beardy, u tehre? |
| 06:44.34 | jelly-home | redragonx: well, that can't work. |
| 06:44.39 | redragonx | can i just replace my ff folder with a 64 bit ver |
| 06:44.46 | cantido | redragonx: you can't link 64bit libraries with 32bit applications.. so you need to get a 32bit flash player or a 64bit ff |
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| 06:45.02 | jelly-home | they need to match, one way or the other |
| 06:45.16 | redragonx | well |
| 06:45.17 | Ormie | GeneralStupid, are you installing firefox? |
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| 06:45.46 | cantido | would like to be able to build multi-arch elfs .. |
| 06:45.54 | redragonx | sso ok |
| 06:46.21 | redragonx | cn i dl ff x64 bit to replace /opt/firefox |
| 06:46.34 | jelly-home | cantido: it's called FatELF and was pretty much abandoned |
| 06:46.53 | redragonx | without jacking up my symlinks |
| 06:46.55 | redragonx | ? |
| 06:46.55 | beardy | Ormie: Yes. |
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| 06:47.49 | cantido | jelly-home: oh, so it was tried at one point? I wrote an elf loader for a simulator recently with libelf.. it seemed like elf just wouldn't work for multi-arch binaries |
| 06:47.56 | Ormie | beardy, it's a good idea, unfortunately all the laptops are the showcase laptops, which mean... 1. they don't allow you to try or/and 2. there are no battery. |
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| 06:48.46 | beardy | Ormie: Surely they can locate a battery if you ask nicely? Don't they want to make business? |
| 06:49.10 | cantido | it would be crazy if they couldn't demo the stuff they are selling |
| 06:49.15 | beardy | Ormie: (Or a power cord.) |
| 06:51.11 | redragonx | where is the ff x64 bit ver |
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| 06:51.31 | Ormie | Um... what is that icon in my taskbar? |
| 06:51.38 | Ormie | updates avaliable, maybe XD |
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| 06:57.51 | redragonx | how can i find firefox x64 |
| 06:58.00 | redragonx | for debian |
| 06:58.05 | redragonx | 6 |
| 06:58.14 | lasers` | .05 |
| 06:59.23 | Ormie | redragonx, add repo |
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| 06:59.49 | Ormie | redragonx, sudo apt-get remove iceweasel |
| 06:59.53 | redragonx | which repo |
| 06:59.54 | Ormie | first |
| 07:00.10 | Ormie | redragonx, do sudo apt-get remove iceweasel |
| 07:00.12 | Ormie | first |
| 07:00.16 | redragonx | i removed ice a long time ago |
| 07:00.19 | Ormie | ok |
| 07:00.41 | Ormie | redragonx, add this deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian import |
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| 07:00.47 | Ormie | to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:00.55 | redragonx | i tried that |
| 07:00.58 | redragonx | but |
| 07:01.03 | Ormie | apt-get update |
| 07:01.03 | Ormie | apt-get install firefox |
| 07:01.16 | redragonx | the firefox started in germany |
| 07:01.24 | Ormie | eh? |
| 07:01.27 | redragonx | not english |
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| 07:01.56 | redragonx | the interface was not in english when i trid that repo |
| 07:02.22 | jelly-home | Ormie, redragonx: it's not wise to mix repositories from other distros |
| 07:02.22 | Ormie | redragonx, uninstall firefox |
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| 07:02.35 | lasers` | Apt-mirror copies the entire mirror. I do not want that. What is it that I'm looking for? Apt-catcher? Partical repo, basically. |
| 07:02.46 | Ormie | redragonx, we will do the .tar way |
| 07:03.13 | lasers` | redragonx: Use iceweasel. That's firefox with different name iirc. |
| 07:03.41 | redragonx | yes but it sucks lol |
| 07:04.00 | lasers` | What exactly suck? It's firefox. :( |
| 07:04.12 | redragonx | no its not |
| 07:04.19 | Devastator | simple problem, complicated solution |
| 07:04.27 | redragonx | well it is |
| 07:04.35 | beardy | Yes it is, but it is an older version that is packaged. |
| 07:04.42 | redragonx | regards to the src |
| 07:04.45 | lasers` | Use mozilla repo? |
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| 07:06.20 | redragonx | i just need the x64 bit ver lol |
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| 07:06.56 | Ormie | redragonx, Private message |
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| 07:13.14 | beardy | redragonx: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/13.0/linux-x86_64/en-US/ |
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| 07:13.52 | beardy | redragonx: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/ click on, all the versions you'll need. |
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| 07:33.20 | beardy | You're welcome. |
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| 07:36.41 | ksuhku | lol |
| 07:36.45 | nsadmin | look at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 07:50.36 | jelly-home | m.d.n does not have Firefox, just Iceweasel |
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| 08:05.24 | stummi | hi. everytime i want to download an changelog via aptitude it fails with "Download queue destroyed." what does this mean and how can i fix this? |
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| 08:08.10 | stummi | is this a general bug atm? Somebody here who can succesfully download changelogs via aptitude? |
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| 08:12.36 | jelly-home | stummi: an older aptitude 0.6.6-1 works for me |
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| 08:13.23 | jelly-home | stummi: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:13.27 | stummi | testing |
| 08:13.36 | jelly-home | have you checked the bts? |
| 08:13.45 | stummi | yes, the bug is already in bts and marked as fixed |
| 08:13.51 | stummi | mom, i will try aptitude from sid |
| 08:13.58 | jelly-home | you do that |
| 08:14.18 | stummi | okay, works with aptitude from sid :) |
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| 08:16.34 | stummi | are all aptitude-updates deployed to sid first? |
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| 08:35.06 | g0rd0n | i have a strange problem. my network device (e1000) apears in the syslog during bootup as eth0, however if i configure the network debian cannot bring the interface up correctly |
| 08:35.25 | g0rd0n | i am getting SIOCADDRT: No such device |
| 08:35.46 | g0rd0n | any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 08:44.34 | phogg | g0rd0n: what happens if you unload and reprobe the module? |
| 08:45.41 | g0rd0n | phogg: what's the command to unload? |
| 08:45.52 | phogg | g0rd0n: modprobe -r e1000 |
| 08:46.20 | g0rd0n | same error |
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| 08:46.45 | ansgar | g0rd0n: What does /sbin/ifconfig -a say? |
| 08:47.00 | g0rd0n | during debian installation, i had to tell the installer not to configure network, since i had to do it manually... i just edited the /etc/network/interfaces file, dunno if i need to do anything else |
| 08:47.00 | Carpe|Diem | HEllo everyone. Can anyone explain to me how to get a recent kernel in my debian? Thanks |
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| 08:47.31 | g0rd0n | ansgar: the funny thing is, ifconfig shows eth0 even if i get that error, however networking does not work (unreachable) |
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| 08:48.12 | g0rd0n | Carpe|Diem: the best way imho is to ise the backports kernel, from backports.org |
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| 08:51.27 | Carpe|Diem | g0rd0n: oh let me check |
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| 08:53.08 | Carpe|Diem | g0rd0n: There seems to be no ISO download on that website... |
| 08:54.33 | g0rd0n | Carpe|Diem: there is no iso, backports are just debian packages to use on the stable debian release... so you could just get debian squeeze and then install the newer backport kernel on int |
| 08:54.36 | g0rd0n | it* |
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| 08:55.20 | Carpe|Diem | oh |
| 08:55.22 | Carpe|Diem | I see |
| 08:55.27 | g0rd0n | for example this one |
| 08:55.37 | g0rd0n | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 08:56.01 | g0rd0n | actually is a 3.2 kernel |
| 08:56.09 | Carpe|Diem | hm ok |
| 08:56.33 | Carpe|Diem | i'll hqve to do a clean debian install anyway |
| 08:56.44 | Carpe|Diem | will check on that backport kernel in a few hours tahn |
| 08:56.46 | Carpe|Diem | thanks |
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| 09:05.30 | Benkinooby | !offtopic |
| 09:05.30 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 09:15.21 | jelly | Benkinooby: congratulations! You've found the "offtopic" factoid. |
| 09:15.24 | jelly | + 5XP |
| 09:17.59 | SomeoneWeird | heh |
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| 09:19.01 | Argafal | hi folks. I am wondering how to get consoles rather than only X11. When I press Ctrl + Alt + F{1-6} I expected to see login prompts, but all i get is a single blinking cursor there. |
| 09:19.16 | Carpe|Diem | whats the best approach to manage a debian box remotely from windows? |
| 09:19.17 | Carpe|Diem | VNC? |
| 09:19.47 | PunTrbuh | Carpe|Diem: ssh if you don't need gui |
| 09:19.58 | Carpe|Diem | PunTrbuh: I need a gui... :/ |
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| 09:21.02 | ChrisH | Argafal: check your /etc/inittab for processes named getty and do a ps -ef | grep getty |
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| 09:21.40 | ChrisH | Argafal: and to see if there might be already a process running on that terminal check, eg: ps -ef | grep tty1 |
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| 09:22.04 | Argafal | ChrisH: thanks. |
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| 09:22.58 | Argafal | ChrisH: root 4116 1 0 10:17 tty1 00:00:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1, but nothing else with tty1. |
| 09:23.04 | Argafal | Same for tty2-6. |
| 09:23.15 | Argafal | So they are running, but I can't seem to see them |
| 09:23.36 | Argafal | wtf. never mind. so after logging in to X they appeared. I don't understand. |
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| 09:24.19 | ChrisH | Argafal: getty process are there thats good. did you press RETURN a few times? Kill that getty it should be restarted from init |
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| 09:28.36 | Benkinooby | jelly, how can i go for factoids without spaming the channel? |
| 09:29.01 | krisfremen | Benkinooby: pm dpkg |
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| 09:29.05 | stummi | you can query the bot |
| 09:29.06 | krisfremen | I think that works as well |
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| 09:29.57 | jamesloiz | http://www.123siteweb.fr/jamesloiseau |
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| 09:32.45 | jelly | !ops jamesloiz spam |
| 09:32.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: jamesloiz spam |
| 09:33.16 | quebre | is there repo with always latest pidgin ? |
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| 09:34.00 | themill | laughs at chanserv |
| 09:34.06 | mrmist | got ops? |
| 09:34.07 | jelly | themill: one op is not enough for you? |
| 09:34.18 | Benkinooby | krisfremen, stummi thank you |
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| 09:46.29 | quebre | does anyone know how to solve this bug for plugin skype4pidgin ? |
| 09:46.39 | quebre | when i attempt to enable skype account in pidgin i get following error: |
| 09:46.40 | quebre | (11:45:52) GLib: GError set over the top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory. |
| 09:46.43 | quebre | This indicates a bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's set. |
| 09:46.51 | quebre | can't use skype plugin for pidgin as result |
| 09:47.14 | quebre | pidgin crashes |
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| 09:50.40 | fasta | Does sudo resolve paths? E.g. if I have /foo/bar listed as runnable by user X, does ./bar in directory foo also work? What about just listing command X without an absolute path in sudoers? |
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| 09:53.13 | jelly | fasta: yes; yes; Note that user's PATH is overridden by default |
| 09:53.26 | Aprendiz | hi all |
| 09:54.28 | fasta | jelly: which path is being used? The one you get if PATH is not set by the user by /etc/environment possibly? |
| 09:55.21 | ChrisH | fasta: simply test: sudo echo $PATH |
| 09:55.31 | themill | ChrisH: that doesn't test anything |
| 09:56.32 | fasta | themill: I already know the answer now. |
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| 09:58.56 | jelly | fasta: hah, I did not check the resolution in advance when I answered, but it turns out it's really like that. |
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| 09:59.07 | ksuhku | Aprendiz, o hai |
| 09:59.29 | fasta | jelly: like what? |
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| 10:00.42 | jelly | like ./foo works if sudoers allows execution of /path/to/foo and cwd is /path/to |
| 10:00.51 | morteza_ipo | how to get source of package? |
| 10:01.18 | jelly | fasta: but some options may change that, eg. fast_glob |
| 10:01.41 | morteza_ipo | example when I call php , it tell me http://source.debian.org/.../.../p.deb |
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| 10:03.17 | jelly | fasta: fresh installations of sudo set up a sudoers file with secure_path set, so that's the one used in absence of customization |
| 10:03.51 | ksuhku | morteza_ipo, man apt-get |
| 10:04.37 | Argafal | ChrisH: Thanks again. I figured it out. There was a start-up script still hanging when X11 came up, which prevented the gettys to come up. |
| 10:05.12 | morteza_ipo | ksuhku: with apt-get can I get process persent ? |
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| 10:05.42 | ksuhku | morteza_ipo, no, you need to use it with some other command which name I forgot |
| 10:06.09 | morteza_ipo | ksuhku: with aptitude ? |
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| 10:07.11 | ksuhku | morteza_ipo, try them both to see how they look |
| 10:07.35 | morteza_ipo | ok .thanks |
| 10:07.39 | ksuhku | no problem |
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| 10:12.31 | Darkasakerionz | Hi! Anyone know how to start a process inside a screen from a bash script? |
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| 10:13.22 | osfd | Hi there. Any chance to see xfce4.10 in squeeze backports ? |
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| 10:13.38 | nsadmin | to start a process, you copy from another, that's called fork |
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| 10:14.02 | nsadmin | osfd, it's very buildable |
| 10:14.40 | osfd | nsadmin: you did it ? |
| 10:14.56 | nsadmin | yep |
| 10:15.45 | osfd | nsadmin: you have to build every package ? |
| 10:16.02 | nsadmin | well I wanted to |
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| 10:16.35 | osfd | nsadmin: I mean, no way to do all the build process automatic ? |
| 10:17.37 | morteza_ipo | ksuhku: I find --print-uris |
| 10:17.39 | Aprendiz | I have check a printer with snmpwalk but I don't understand where oid are for each thing |
| 10:17.56 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 10:18.00 | Aprendiz | my goal is to monit level colours |
| 10:18.23 | morteza_ipo | ksuhku: but when I call this command : apt-get --print-uris php5 |
| 10:18.25 | morteza_ipo | I got error |
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| 10:18.38 | osfd | nsadmin: so I have to compile every packages |
| 10:19.30 | nsadmin | I just did the core pkgs |
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| 10:21.51 | ksuhku | morteza_ipo, try apt-get source PACKAGENAME |
| 10:22.12 | nsadmin | there were only 17 pkgs in core |
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| 10:22.43 | morteza_ipo | ksuhku: I got it:You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 10:23.07 | ksuhku | :) |
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| 10:42.03 | MO_Handes | I have copied some fonts in ~/.fonts and fc-cached them, but they don't appear in libreoffice. what's the problem? |
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| 10:46.13 | format_c | MO_Handes, which type of font? |
| 10:46.25 | MO_Handes | truetype |
| 10:46.46 | format_c | mkdir truetype under .fonts and move it there. |
| 10:47.17 | boudiccas | have you restarted libreoffice? |
| 10:47.52 | MO_Handes | problem solved, libreoffice was running and I was restarting another window of it so the other window remained running. it was nat getting restarted to reload new fonts. newbie :D |
| 10:48.37 | MO_Handes | by the way, whats libreoffice process name? I kept ps aux it but didn't found it in open applications |
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| 10:48.53 | boudiccas | soffice |
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| 11:44.08 | kuene | I use debian unstable with kde. I upgrade today to the latest unstable. my iceweasel (v13) is from experimental. some times when I click on a tab the mouse cursor remains with the "grabbing hand" I am not able to get it to work anymore without restarting kde. the mouse cursor is moving but I can not click and there is no arrow-icon just the grabbing hand. anybody have this problem? |
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| 11:45.29 | stummi | kuene, i am using iceweasel v15 under fvwm, don't have any problems there |
| 11:45.46 | gnarface | kuene: just out of curiosity, were you using wine at the same time this happened? |
| 11:45.56 | kuene | gnarface, nope |
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| 11:46.09 | kuene | stummi, where did you get v15? |
| 11:46.18 | Kokain | I just used Namebench to find the fastest DNS, I can't believe what a difference it made. I've always been told the fastest response DNS is the local ISP DNS server. |
| 11:46.22 | stummi | kuene, mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:46.35 | kuene | stummi, so you mean firefox ;) |
| 11:46.42 | stummi | no, i mean iceweasel |
| 11:46.54 | kuene | stummi, hu? |
| 11:46.59 | stummi | kuene, about-dialog says "iceweasel 15.0a2 (2012-06-08)" |
| 11:47.04 | stummi | kuene, see mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:47.31 | stummi | likes the bleeding edge :) |
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| 11:49.02 | balle | hi all |
| 11:49.07 | kuene | stummi, they dont do packages for unstable :( |
| 11:49.28 | stummi | kuene, they are the same as for testing |
| 11:49.40 | sarefo | hi, i'm anxiously waiting for libupnp6 to come to testing so that i can use amule again. where would be the best place to ask about the immediate future of this package? |
| 11:49.44 | balle | can someone please enlight me what i could use on dash shell instead of the command source or dot operator? |
| 11:49.47 | stummi | just add "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ experimental iceweasel-aurora" to your sources.list |
| 11:50.00 | stummi | and aurora will be available over aptitude (press "v" on iceweasel) |
| 11:51.20 | Kokain | does anyone here web browse using ip only? |
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| 11:51.58 | Kokain | I have some questions regarding DNS and I'm trying to understand if I can speed up my browsing experience |
| 11:52.16 | kuene | mouse is dead again |
| 11:52.26 | kuene | but thanks stummi |
| 11:52.36 | balle | Kokain: why should one do that? one couldnt reach virtualhosts on webserver by ip only default host |
| 11:52.37 | stummi | what? Why should somebody do something like this? (and for allmost all webservers/websites calling the ip directly wouldn't work) |
| 11:52.52 | Kokain | I see |
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| 11:53.17 | stummi | Kokain, on the other side, nobody really wants to remember all the ips of his favourite websites ;) |
| 11:53.17 | kuene | if i only could unlock it some how. does anybody know howto restart mouse input in kde? |
| 11:53.25 | Kokain | it's just that today I had problem with my default DNS server and I noticed typing the ip addresses of websites made them ultra responsive |
| 11:53.41 | stummi | kuene, you could try if the bug appears if you are not working under kde |
| 11:53.58 | stummi | so you could figure out if its kde related or not |
| 11:54.04 | Kokain | I have been thinking what if I can find a plugin for Google Chrome that converts all links to IPs when I click on them |
| 11:54.15 | Kokain | or at least bookmark my favorite websites by IP |
| 11:54.24 | kuene | stummi, it is iceweasel. it unlocks when I kill iceweasel. |
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| 11:54.41 | stummi | Kokain, i don't think so. Resolving an ip adress takes about 0,1s for me |
| 11:54.51 | Kokain | if this is wrong, why is it wrong? |
| 11:54.52 | kuene | so I will not lose my ssh sessions this time ;) |
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| 11:59.38 | kuene | stummi, upgraded to v15. i will see if it happens again shortly... |
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| 12:00.15 | kuene | problem is: i can't trigger it. |
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| 12:02.33 | balle | Kokain: you could insert your most used dns names with their ips in /etc/hosts if you really care about those milliseconds ;) |
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| 12:04.21 | Kokain | I'm just browsing a little more with the new dns server and I got to say it's very fast. You are probably right stummi, there is no difference between them. I guess my previous was so bad that bypassing it by IP made every site more responsive, which lead me to believe typing the ip directly gives best results all the time |
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| 12:06.33 | balle | Kokain: or what about running an nscd? |
| 12:06.44 | cantido | or dnsmasq |
| 12:06.55 | stummi | or a local bind |
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| 12:07.13 | balle | stummi: thats the nicest solution :) |
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| 12:07.39 | balle | it also circumvents possible dns censorship from your isp |
| 12:07.42 | cantido | mmm bind is a bit big if all you want is caching.. shouldn't make much difference on a decent machine though |
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| 12:09.40 | _Christophe_ | Guys, does anybody already install OpenVPN GUI client on Windows 2008 Server? |
| 12:09.56 | mjt | how it is related to debian? |
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| 12:09.59 | Kokain | I guess I have to google nscd :P |
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| 12:11.00 | _Christophe_ | The server is installed on Debian... |
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| 12:12.02 | cantido | _Christophe_: so if debian being connected to something doesn't make that something debian related |
| 12:12.20 | _Christophe_ | ... |
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| 12:12.35 | _Christophe_ | May be one of you already did taht before |
| 12:12.43 | _Christophe_ | Stop being "stupid".. |
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| 12:12.54 | cantido | !anyone |
| 12:12.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 12:15.41 | stummi | _Christophe_, may #openvpn or ##windows is a better place for your problem |
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| 12:16.49 | mah454 | apt have group install packages ? (like yum groupinstall XXXX) |
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| 12:19.04 | stummi | !tell mah454 about taks |
| 12:19.06 | stummi | !tell mah454 about tasks |
| 12:19.17 | stummi | !tasks |
| 12:19.17 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 12:19.28 | stummi | seems to fail using dpkg :) |
| 12:19.52 | mah454 | !tell standard task |
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| 12:20.33 | stummi | mah454, you also can query dpkg. In this case you just could write "standard task" |
| 12:20.45 | stummi | means, use dpkg per irc query |
| 12:20.51 | mah454 | stummi, ok |
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| 12:20.54 | mah454 | stummi, thank you :) |
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| 12:25.59 | engla | will ia32-libs change before wheezy's release? |
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| 12:33.30 | NetFluidBot | Hi ! This is the NetFluid.IRC bot running on Raspberry Pi for the first test ! |
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| 12:34.01 | Dawid | lol |
| 12:34.11 | abrotman | Test your bot somewhere else, and make it less noisy, thanks |
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| 12:35.12 | stummi | besides, he is plenking ;) |
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| 12:35.16 | stummi | worse bot |
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| 12:47.51 | PigDude | how do I remove gnome login from my machine? |
| 12:47.54 | Sidney__ | msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 12:48.06 | PigDude | or perhaps it is the kde login. in any case, how do I remove it? |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | PigDude: aptitude remove gnome |
| 12:48.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell PigDude about remove gnome |
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| 12:49.02 | PigDude | thnaks |
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| 12:49.47 | mentor | er |
| 12:50.15 | mentor | PigDude: Do you mean the GUI session or the GUI login screen? |
| 12:50.23 | PigDude | login screen |
| 12:50.31 | PigDude | but now i suspect it was a kde thing. i purge kdm |
| 12:50.33 | abrotman | you want to remove GDM ? |
| 12:50.38 | PigDude | because i only use xfce and ratpoison anyway |
| 12:50.59 | abrotman | removing gdm is far different than removing gnome .. |
| 12:51.08 | PigDude | i don't even think gdm is installed |
| 12:51.20 | PigDude | working on it :^) |
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| 12:52.17 | stummi | PigDude, you wan't to remove something where you don't know what it is? |
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| 12:52.41 | PigDude | indeed, purging kdm fixes my issue |
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| 12:54.28 | stummi | as a co-worker said these days: rm -rf / will replace all your little problems with one big problem ;) |
| 12:55.17 | PigDude | I did not want KDE or QT apps so I was confident in the purge |
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| 12:56.57 | kesroesweyth | Anyone know a good way to use grep with both the -v and -A options? I want to list all lines in a text file except lines that match a string AND a given number of lines that follow each matching line. |
| 12:57.19 | kesroesweyth | Sorry if that question isn't debian-y enough for this channel :) |
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| 12:59.28 | ChrisH | stummi: Seems to be a very wise man :) |
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| 13:06.24 | abrotman | stummi: That is not amusing, please don't do that again, thank you |
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| 13:11.11 | engla | abrotman: he forgot --no-preserve-root anyway |
| 13:11.28 | abrotman | not helping |
| 13:11.31 | dkr | engla: should also background and nohup. :) |
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| 13:15.10 | dkr | kesroesweyth: perl -lne'$n=5 if /foo/; print unless $n--' |
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| 13:17.29 | kesroesweyth | dkr I don't know perl. Do I just put the string in place of foo, like /just\ some\ text/? |
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| 13:18.35 | kesroesweyth | and where do I specify the file I'm working with? |
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| 13:20.41 | dkr | actually that's not exactly right. wasn't thinking properly. hold on a sec, I'll test proper version |
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| 13:25.56 | dkr | kesroesweyth: perl -lne'$n=3 if /foo/; print unless $n-->0;' file where 3 is number of lines to exclude and foo is the pattern to match |
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| 13:26.46 | dkr | I screwed up my test because I made my test file lines have beforefoo foo 1afterfoo 2afterfoo, so they all matched /foo/ oops, :) |
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| 13:26.57 | kesroesweyth | I see, let me give it a shot. |
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| 13:30.44 | kesroesweyth | dkr seems to be working just fine, thanks! |
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| 13:33.15 | Agiofws | hey hello |
| 13:33.37 | Agiofws | i have squeeze version of debian distro but i get this message on start up |
| 13:33.39 | Agiofws | ixus:/var/log/mysql# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 13:33.44 | Agiofws | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 13:33.57 | Agiofws | can anyone help me out on this issue ? |
| 13:34.10 | stew | Agiofws: try "bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start" so you can see what it is doing when it fails |
| 13:34.22 | stew | Agiofws: if that doesn't help enough, pastebin the results and we can probably help diagnose |
| 13:34.47 | themill | the logs will normally have the answer |
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| 13:34.57 | ksk | what themill says :) |
| 13:35.01 | stew | Agiofws: also try just "/usr/sbin/msyqld" on the command line, which will start it NOT as a daemon and will probably spit the error out on stderr |
| 13:35.11 | Lartza | Is there a reason why "named" would be running on my system? |
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| 13:35.19 | Lartza | *server |
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| 13:35.23 | esing1 | can I change the symbol icon of a .sh file ? |
| 13:36.00 | Agiofws | stew, http://codepad.org/1Wk8vvTg |
| 13:36.05 | stummi | esing1, may depends on your desktop environment you use |
| 13:36.06 | _droid | hello people, i have a debian server with the basic installation, so no gui. I wanted to know if it is possible to automount esata drives whenever i plug one in |
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| 13:36.35 | stummi | _droid, you may want to read about udev rules |
| 13:36.37 | Agiofws | ixus:/var/log/mysql# /usr/sbin/msyqld |
| 13:36.40 | Agiofws | bash: /usr/sbin/msyqld: No such file or directory |
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| 13:37.11 | _droid | ok |
| 13:37.16 | themill | Agiofws: is this a recent upgrade from lenny? |
| 13:37.26 | stew | Agiofws: you are responsible for correcting my typos :) |
| 13:37.43 | stummi | lol |
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| 13:38.09 | Agiofws | themill, it is a an upgrade from lenny but not a recent one |
| 13:38.26 | themill | Agiofws: so what's changed that it's no longer working? |
| 13:38.50 | themill | Agiofws: is "mysql-server-5.1" installed? |
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| 13:39.11 | stew | themill: note that his ENOENT was my typo |
| 13:39.15 | ChrisH | Agiofws: just to be sure no mysql parts are still running. ps -ef | grep mys does not show anything left over? |
| 13:39.25 | esing1 | solved |
| 13:39.29 | esing1 | stummi yep |
| 13:39.39 | esing1 | stummi i found it when in properties |
| 13:39.42 | Agiofws | themill, checking ChrisH checking |
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| 13:39.57 | themill | stew: sure, but that package not being installed is also a common lenny->squeeze problem |
| 13:40.03 | stew | ok :) |
| 13:40.11 | Agiofws | ixus:/var/log/mysql# ps -ef | grep mys |
| 13:40.14 | Agiofws | root 5483 4701 0 16:41 pts/0 00:00:00 grep mys |
| 13:40.30 | themill | stew: one which unfortunately looks like it will be repeated with squeeze->wheezy |
| 13:41.03 | stew | themill: nah, people are going to pay better attention this time! |
| 13:41.14 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/216078 |
| 13:41.32 | stew | Agiofws: have you checked mysql error logs? |
| 13:41.40 | Agiofws | upgrading ... |
| 13:41.46 | stew | eh? |
| 13:41.51 | Agiofws | from .49 to 61 |
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| 13:42.08 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/216078 |
| 13:42.15 | Agiofws | maybe thats my problem |
| 13:42.24 | themill | Agiofws: that's not mysql-server-5.1. Also, use aptitude or apt-cache to check these things rather than screenshots |
| 13:42.29 | Agiofws | checked in var/log/mysql |
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| 13:44.26 | Agiofws | installing server |
| 13:44.39 | stew | Agiofws: it wasn't already installed? |
| 13:44.48 | Agiofws | nope |
| 13:44.49 | stew | !win themill |
| 13:44.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 13:45.01 | dvs | $10 |
| 13:45.02 | Agiofws | beauty and the beast |
| 13:45.27 | nyuszika7h | Hi, any idea why am I getting this error when trying to convert the Debian ISO to isohybrid? https://gist.github.com/2917588 |
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| 13:46.17 | rbern | Hi, im trying to use $IFS in a script to split parameters. I'm using IFS=, but all parameters are going to the 1st variable!? example: http://paste.debian.net/174105/ what am I doing wrong please? |
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| 13:47.58 | Agiofws | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 13:47.59 | Agiofws | Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 13:48.11 | Agiofws | now i'm getting somewhere |
| 13:50.10 | nyuszika7h | It would be helpful if someone could give me a link to an isohybrid image for Debian wheezy/sid |
| 13:50.24 | dvs | nyuszika7h: They all are |
| 13:50.38 | nyuszika7h | You say they are isohybrid? |
| 13:50.59 | dvs | yes |
| 13:51.06 | nyuszika7h | I don't remember was it Debian, but last time I tried with some distribution it gave the same isolinux.bin missing or corrupt on booting. |
| 13:51.24 | stew | nyuszika7h: as of the squeeze release they all are |
| 13:52.23 | themill | nyuszika7h: the chance of a random wheezy installation image working on any given day is fairly low. "Install squeeze and upgrade" is a much safer approach |
| 13:52.34 | nyuszika7h | Ok, thanks for the tip |
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| 13:55.58 | nyuszika7h | Is there need to specify anything special for dd or is `dd if=debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb' enough? |
| 13:56.20 | dvs | nyuszika7h: add "; sync" at the end |
| 13:56.20 | gnarface | that should be enough |
| 13:56.26 | nyuszika7h | Ok |
| 13:56.28 | gnarface | even with dd? |
| 13:56.30 | stew | dvs: sync? why? |
| 13:56.42 | gnarface | for cp/mv i would see maybe |
| 13:56.44 | dvs | stew: dd doesn't buffer? |
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| 13:56.45 | nyuszika7h | sync isn't an argument to dd, right? |
| 13:56.58 | stew | dvs: no, and sync is just for filesystems, not for raw devices |
| 13:56.59 | nyuszika7h | I ran sync separately because dd was already running |
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| 13:57.09 | nyuszika7h | brb, trying to boot from the USB stick |
| 13:57.31 | dvs | nyuszika7h: nvm. I thought dd buffers output but apparently it doesn't |
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| 13:57.58 | stew | dvs: it buffers, sure, but it doesn't terminate until all the buffers have flushed, otherwise it would be madness |
| 13:58.37 | dvs | ah |
| 13:58.49 | stew | dvs: these buffers are internal to dd though, these are not the filesystem buffers (since this isn't a filesystem we are writing to) |
| 13:59.02 | stew | ... the filesystem buffers that sync is flushing, i mean |
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| 14:01.21 | Argafal | hi folks. I am trying to get suspend to disk to work. I have: a server machine with Debian stable. I installed hibernate and pm-utils. I added a swap partition using swapon and put it into fstab. I reconfigured grub-pc to add resume=/dev/sdb2 to the kernel parameters. I executed hibernate, the machine goes to sleep and turns off. I turn it on. When trying to boot it reboots without any error given. Second time it boots up, but without resuming the ... |
| 14:01.27 | Argafal | ... hibernated state. I tried pm-hibernate instead, which did not change the behaviour. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:02.21 | Argafal | also why do i need to manually add the resume=/dev/sdb2 to grub? I thought this should work automatically (but it didn't on a first try, that's why i added it) |
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| 14:06.35 | dokma|2 | anyone knows where does php5 store sessions on debian? |
| 14:07.24 | stew | dokma: should be /var/lib/php5 |
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| 14:07.40 | nyu | Iso works |
| 14:07.46 | nyu | But I have some problems |
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| 14:08.01 | nyu | 1. loadkeys -q hu # doesn't work |
| 14:08.06 | dokma | stew: I checked that folder and it's completely empty |
| 14:08.15 | dokma | on my old system that's where I would find sessions |
| 14:08.17 | nyu | 2. rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw is missing |
| 14:08.38 | nyu | I use netinst if that matters |
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| 14:09.16 | jelly | Argafal: update-grub ought to set up grub properly |
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| 14:10.52 | garrett__ | What diff format do package maintainers usually use? I've never submitted a patch to a debian package before. |
| 14:11.02 | Argafal | jelly: do i need to manually add remuse=partition? |
| 14:11.04 | Argafal | *resume |
| 14:11.25 | garrett__ | Outside of distros, the package is otherwise unmaintained |
| 14:11.30 | dvs | nyu: 2. Install firmware-realtek |
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| 14:12.57 | dokma | stew: found it thanks |
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| 14:13.57 | jelly | Argafal: you should not have to... |
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| 14:14.38 | Argafal | jelly: Should I see anything different in grub (as in more entries)? |
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| 14:15.07 | Argafal | there is no resume=/dev/sdb2 parameter set after update-grub |
| 14:15.24 | Argafal | Do I not need it? How does it know where to look for my hibernate snapshost? |
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| 14:17.08 | Agiofws | thank you themill stew and ChrisH :) |
| 14:17.35 | jelly | Argafal: hm. Do you have a /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file? |
| 14:17.54 | Argafal | jelly: I will check once the machine is back up. where does that come from? |
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| 14:19.36 | Argafal | jelly: I do not have this file. |
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| 14:20.24 | Argafal | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=resume&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any doesn't looke like there is any package that would add it. |
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| 14:20.58 | Jef91 | So I'm using Debian testing and I can't get the jackd sound server to start - keeps giving me "cannot connect to server socket err- no such file or directory" |
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| 14:21.01 | jelly | Argafal: blimey, I don't remember where it comes from |
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| 14:21.48 | jelly | falls back to generic factoid throwing |
| 14:21.50 | jelly | !suspend |
| 14:21.51 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend system has worked well since Etch; kernel patches such as <tuxonice> provide more features. Installing the pm-utils or hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or <kpowersave> should be enough. See also <suspend troubleshooting>, <uswsusp>, <swapwake>, <noresume>. http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 14:22.58 | Argafal | jelly: those i read long before asking here :-p |
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| 14:28.08 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to have skype up and running. Where can i get some help? |
| 14:28.34 | stew | tharkun: http://skype.com/support |
| 14:28.55 | Jef91 | tharkun skype is a closed source software - try asking them |
| 14:29.01 | tharkun | stew: thanks |
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| 14:30.05 | tharkun | Jef91: ** no comment ** |
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| 14:34.03 | twobitsprite | if I've cleaned out my package cache, but wanted to reinstall a package, how would I get the package file back in the cache? |
| 14:34.12 | themill | tharkun: you might also want to ask dpkg about it |
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| 14:40.09 | nyuszika7h | dvs: Link to the deb? |
| 14:40.39 | dvs | !nonfree |
| 14:40.40 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:40.59 | dvs | !non-free sources |
| 14:41.00 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 14:42.28 | nyu | dvs: I can't use aptitude if NETWORK FIRMWARE is missi g :/ |
| 14:42.34 | nyu | I need the deb |
| 14:42.42 | nyu | To download from elsewhere |
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| 14:43.03 | daemonkeeper | You can download the package in question from packages.debian.org |
| 14:43.13 | nyuszika7h | Ok |
| 14:43.14 | dvs | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 14:43.26 | nyuszika7h | Thanks |
| 14:43.38 | daemonkeeper | From there, use a USB pen drive or similar to copy it to the destination system and use dpkg -i to install it. |
| 14:43.56 | nyuszika7h | Yep, I know that |
| 14:44.04 | tharkun | themill: acutally the skype factoid recomends a sources.list line that is no longer working. |
| 14:44.12 | tharkun | s/acutally/actually |
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| 14:45.06 | tharkun | Skype seems to check for a mic if there is none present it dies. I had to improvise using an aditional set of headphones |
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| 14:54.05 | themill | tharkun: /var/lib/apt/lists/download.skype.com_linux_repos_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages wfm |
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| 14:56.34 | untrusted | what was the name of the small tool to wrap a "normal" executable to make it "normal" daemon with init script / improved start-stop-daemon? |
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| 14:57.06 | untrusted | (and automatically restart it on crash/exit) |
| 14:57.28 | petemc | daemontools? |
| 14:57.32 | jerem` | Hi ! I have to preseed my debian squeeze installation with a preseed file, I get a question about wireless firmware and I set hw-detect/load_firmware to false but it asks me again |
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| 14:58.35 | untrusted | petemc: thanks |
| 14:58.46 | petemc | np |
| 14:59.26 | jelly | petemc, untrusted: no, daemontools are djb's set of tools that typically work around / instead of init scripts and sysvinit. "daemon" is a daemonizing wrapper. |
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| 15:01.13 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 15:01.55 | meoblast001 | i just installed the package postgresql, and i do not have any postgres related directories under /etc except postgresql-common |
| 15:02.14 | meoblast001 | this doesn't seem to have any configuration files in it |
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| 15:03.46 | twobitsprite | help, I broke my Xorg config |
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| 15:04.24 | twobitsprite | I removed the proprietary nvidia driver, and tried to reconfigure to use nouveau, and now X won't start |
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| 15:04.47 | twobitsprite | I try to run Xorg -configure and it says the number of screens created doesn't match the number detected |
| 15:05.16 | twobitsprite | I even purged and reinstalled xserver-xorg trying to get it to generate a new config |
| 15:05.52 | nyuszika7h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:06.05 | nyuszika7h | How can I wipe out /dev/sda entirely? |
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| 15:07.17 | NetFluidBot | Hi ! This is the NetFluid.IRC bot running on Raspberry Pi for the first test ! |
| 15:07.21 | jerem` | nyuszika7h: using wipe |
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| 15:08.17 | nyuszika7h | wipe is a progrsm? |
| 15:08.19 | twobitsprite | shouldn't xorg auto-detect the config when there's no xorg.conf? why isn't this working? |
| 15:08.23 | nyuszika7h | program* |
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| 15:08.31 | NetFluidBot | Hi ! This is the NetFluid.IRC bot running on Raspberry Pi for the first test ! |
| 15:09.06 | epsilon | !ops NetFluidBot is a stupid bot |
| 15:09.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: epsilon complains about: NetFluidBot is a stupid bot |
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| 15:10.01 | gh0stn0te | hi |
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| 15:11.13 | twobitsprite | why does it seem like I rarely get help in here any more? am I asking the wrong questions? |
| 15:11.14 | nyuszika7h | ~ # wipe /dev/sda |
| 15:11.16 | nyuszika7h | /bin/sh: wipe: not found |
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| 15:11.32 | jerem` | nyuszika7h: couldn't install it ? |
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| 15:12.00 | nyuszika7h | I want to abandon changes I made but undo doesn't do anything |
| 15:12.10 | nyuszika7h | (part. changes) |
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| 15:15.24 | nyuszika7h | dd works, I guess |
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| 15:16.08 | Hydroxide | twobitsprite: the biggest reason is simply that people who have a sense of the answer might not be paying attention at all times |
| 15:16.14 | Hydroxide | twobitsprite: so be more patient before concluding anything |
| 15:16.37 | Hydroxide | twobitsprite: in the case of your question, just remove your xorg.conf and see if it still fails. be sure the old proprietary nvidia stuff is completely purged. |
| 15:16.54 | Hydroxide | twobitsprite: you probably also want to reboot after removing the nvidia stuff if you haven't yet |
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| 15:19.21 | tharkun | themill: the line you posted is completely different from the one posted on the skype factoid. I will not argue with you since your perl and apt-get knowledge is far superior than mine. It is working. And since arguing with success is futile I get to drink the beer :) |
| 15:19.57 | tharkun | scratches from his todo list "Make Skype work" |
| 15:20.30 | tharkun | What is the underlying engine of dbugs? |
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| 15:21.38 | jelly | perl code wrapped in strings and bubblegum that connects to bugs.debian.org |
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| 15:22.45 | tharkun | jelly: and the engine behind bugs.debian.org? |
| 15:23.47 | jelly | ,info debbugs |
| 15:23.48 | judd | Package debbugs (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: The bug tracking system based on the active Debian BTS. Version: 2.4.1; Size: 83.0k; Installed: 488k |
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| 15:24.53 | jelly | that thing |
| 15:25.07 | tharkun | slaps jelly with "-home" suffix |
| 15:25.49 | jelly | there's probably going to be one sole jelly some day |
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| 15:26.36 | tharkun | wonders which one will eventually prevail |
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| 15:42.36 | twobitsprite | Hydroxide: I'm just complaining, but I am usually extremely patient, but it seems more often than not recently it doesn't pay off... anyways, just complaining :P |
| 15:42.59 | twobitsprite | Hydroxide: as for my X problem, that's what is weird... I did remove my xorg.conf and it still fails |
| 15:43.11 | twobitsprite | Hydroxide: and I did completely remove the nvidia stuff and rebooted, still no joy |
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| 15:47.57 | nyuszika7h | Awesome |
| 15:48.05 | nyuszika7h | Installer offered me to install sid |
| 15:48.09 | nyuszika7h | :) |
| 15:48.20 | ZitZ | there is an installer for sid now? |
| 15:48.27 | nyuszika7h | squeeze netinst asked me |
| 15:48.37 | nyuszika7h | squeeze, wheezy or sid |
| 15:48.49 | nyuszika7h | (6.0.5) |
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| 15:49.47 | ZitZ | that's awesome!, does it actually ask you or is it something you have to select? |
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| 15:54.07 | nyuszika7h | ZitZ: It works in expert mode at least if you go through all steps |
| 15:54.41 | ZitZ | that is cool, should make my next reinstall fun. :) |
| 15:54.53 | Mmike | how do I change timezone from cmdline? |
| 15:55.00 | Doobie-420 | ok, dumb question, what is squeeze, wheezy, and sid? |
| 15:55.08 | nyuszika7h | squeeze = stable |
| 15:55.09 | Mmike | i'e i don't want dpkg-reconfigure to ask me all of the things it does |
| 15:55.11 | nyuszika7h | wheezy = testing |
| 15:55.15 | nyuszika7h | sid = unstable |
| 15:55.23 | Doobie-420 | ah, so the name never changes? |
| 15:55.30 | ZitZ | Mmike: you need to symlink the right file from /usr/share |
| 15:55.48 | ZitZ | let me find the location for you |
| 15:56.01 | epsilon | Doobie-420 name for stable & testing changed by version. sid remains unstable |
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| 15:56.07 | nyuszika7h | The installer conflicts with itself though. I chose sid and it offers kernel26 only (no 3.0) and it offers security+volatile which I doubt is for sid |
| 15:56.17 | Doobie-420 | thanks |
| 15:56.30 | epsilon | google for debian version and names |
| 15:57.38 | jordanm | nyuszika7h: where did you find an installer for sid? |
| 15:58.02 | nyuszika7h | I use squeeze 6.0.5 netinst, it asked me which distribution to install. |
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| 15:58.04 | Mmike | ZitZ, i remember doing something like putting the timezone to /etc/something, and then calling something else, but can't remember nor find my notes and google hates me today :) |
| 15:58.43 | ZitZ | lol, i did this a few nights ago, i found it on google, i just can't find the file in /usr/share right now |
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| 16:01.00 | ZitZ | Mmike: it is /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 16:01.24 | ZitZ | it contains files for each time zone, symlink the file for your timezone to /etc/localtime :) |
| 16:01.26 | Mmike | so, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata will just write to that file? |
| 16:01.28 | Mmike | aha |
| 16:02.07 | Mmike | but, on my squeeze boxes that's not symlink, but a plain text file |
| 16:02.08 | ZitZ | eg, ln -sT /usr/sahre/zoneinfo/New_York /etc/localtime |
| 16:02.55 | Mmike | yup, no good: |
| 16:02.57 | Mmike | root@ded517:~# echo "America/New_York" > /etc/timezone |
| 16:02.57 | Mmike | root@ded517:~# date |
| 16:02.57 | Mmike | Tue Jun 12 11:02:44 CDT 2012 |
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| 16:03.09 | Mmike | apologizes |
| 16:04.05 | ZitZ | who are you using echo? |
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| 16:04.42 | ZitZ | the files in /usr/share/zoneinfo are not plain text |
| 16:05.24 | themill | tharkun: that's the Packages file that apt downloaded using the deb line that dpkg has. |
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| 16:07.30 | Mmike | ZitZ, because that's what's in the file after I do dpk-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:08.04 | ZitZ | did you try to do the symlink? |
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| 16:09.49 | jordanm | Mmike: TZ can also be a set environment variable |
| 16:10.05 | themill | tz information is included in two files in /etc |
| 16:10.27 | Mmike | ZitZ, nope :/ I did echo, and then run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:10.29 | tharkun | Interesting, let me post the error |
| 16:10.30 | Mmike | and just hit enter two times |
| 16:10.46 | Mmike | had to do it on 30sih boxes, this was the fastest way I could think of |
| 16:10.58 | themill | tharkun: perhaps they don't provide non-i386 packages any more. nfc. |
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| 16:11.34 | tharkun | Actually i downloaded the skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_amd64.deb and it worked as soon as i got a mic connected |
| 16:11.38 | jordanm | Mmike: the fastest way would have been to make the change in your config management system (puppet, chef, cfengine) |
| 16:11.48 | ZitZ | the symlink worked for me, i changed the timezone of my raspberry pi from gmt to new york |
| 16:12.40 | tharkun | themill: W: Failed to fetch http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 204.2.222.138 80] |
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| 16:13.19 | Mmike | jordanm, if I had one set up, that might be true, but those boxes are not related in any way, so I had to do it like this |
| 16:13.34 | Mmike | actually I know there is a smarter way, just don't have it |
| 16:13.35 | jordanm | Mmike: they are related by timezone |
| 16:13.44 | Mmike | jordanm, that's a coincidence |
| 16:13.45 | themill | tharkun: yeah, so different arch. I though they used to do amd64 too. |
| 16:14.14 | jordanm | Mmike: I would guess they are also related by.. ntp, ssh, and more |
| 16:14.42 | Mmike | jordanm, yes, well, they don't have puppet or any other management stuff set up |
| 16:14.57 | nyuszika7h | The release choose is a LIE |
| 16:15.00 | Mmike | the best I could to was: for box in box1 box2 box3... do ssh blablabla |
| 16:15.05 | nyuszika7h | I just booted the system |
| 16:15.07 | nyuszika7h | 6.0 |
| 16:15.12 | nyuszika7h | squeeze, not sid |
| 16:15.18 | Mmike | but, box1 is somehost.domainA.com, box2 is otherhost.domainB.com, and so on |
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| 16:38.03 | onur | Hi. I have a question. I got source files with dget and I wanna apply some patch to this package. Can I build this package with pbuilder after I made changes? |
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| 16:40.35 | tharkun | Trying to install postgresql-9.1 I'm getting this message from aptitude Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice. If i move upwards it clears, but I don't think it is right |
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| 16:42.06 | belak | How risky would it be to run debian testing on a semi-production environment? It's a personal testing server... |
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| 16:42.47 | jordanm | belak: define "semi-production" |
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| 16:43.00 | jordanm | if its down for a few hours or a day, will anyone care? |
| 16:43.10 | belak | jordanm: probably not... |
| 16:43.32 | jordanm | then its probably fine, especially if you are testing things that will target wheezy |
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| 16:44.15 | belak | Is it possible to make apt track testing and what would I need to change the repos to? I can't find any clear docs on this |
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| 16:46.17 | dondelelcaro | !stable->testing |
| 16:46.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 16:46.28 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 16:47.01 | belak | Well, wheezy should be stable in a month or so, though, right> |
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| 16:47.19 | stew | belak: no, it will freeze soon, then after it freezes it takes many months to stabilize for a release |
| 16:47.37 | belak | Ahh, I see |
| 16:47.42 | stew | belak: it will become stable when it has (nearly) zero release critical bugs, it currently has hundreds, see http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 16:47.52 | belak | Ah, that's fun |
| 16:48.04 | stew | belak: the 836 number is the one to look at |
| 16:49.08 | belak | Ah |
| 16:49.37 | belak | The main issue I have is a lack of some of the gstreamer updates, along with mercurial-server |
| 16:49.47 | belak | Mainly mercurial server |
| 16:51.47 | stew | judd: versions mercurial |
| 16:51.48 | judd | Package: mercurial on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-5.1; lenny-backports: 1.3.1-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1.6.4-1; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.2.1-2; sid: 2.2.2-1 |
| 16:52.05 | stew | belak: mercurial 2.2.1 is in squeeze-backports |
| 16:52.06 | belak | stew: mercurial-server |
| 16:52.28 | stew | judd: checkbackport mercurial-server |
| 16:52.29 | judd | Backporting package mercurial-server in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 16:52.52 | stew | belak: you should be able to easily backport it: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:54.32 | belak | stew: whanks |
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| 16:54.34 | belak | *thanks |
| 16:54.52 | stew | wanks |
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| 16:57.14 | trineam | :o |
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| 17:00.15 | ksk | hello |
| 17:00.21 | N3T | Hey |
| 17:00.36 | ksk | does any1 know if theres an chrony version in debian (maybe testing or even "newer") to use with 3.0 kernels? |
| 17:00.59 | ksk | from the version numbers i got from packages. and backports id say no.. |
| 17:01.06 | jordanm | ,version chrony |
| 17:01.07 | judd | Package: chrony on i386 -- lenny: 1.23-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.23-6+lenny1; squeeze: 1.24-3+b1; sid: 1.24-3.1; wheezy: 1.24-3.1 |
| 17:01.35 | ksk | but on the other hand wheezy will have 3.X AFAIK, and there is a chrony package in testing right now |
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| 17:01.43 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I just full-upgraded to sid and I still have 640x480 or 800x600 (can't determine) resulution. How can I install a framebuffer driver to get native resulution? |
| 17:01.47 | jordanm | ksk: just use ntp? |
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| 17:02.03 | ksk | jordanm: ntp bindts to ALL interfaces, which is not practical if you have 600+ of them :) |
| 17:02.04 | jordanm | ksk: wheezy has the same version as stable |
| 17:02.16 | ksk | s/bindts/binds |
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| 17:02.51 | ksk | (it just segfaults) (and the "ntp people" say this is a wanted behaviour (not bein able to choose an interface to bind to)) |
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| 17:03.57 | ksk | would a bugreport agains chrony in testing be a good idea? i mean it will not work (if you use 3.0 kernel) |
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| 17:05.41 | jordanm | ksk: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628919 |
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| 17:06.01 | jordanm | they did actually patch that bug in wheezy. probably an easy backport |
| 17:06.09 | jordanm | !tell ksk about ssb |
| 17:07.26 | ksk | thanks jordanm! |
| 17:07.49 | ksk | on this bugreport page, where do i see which release verion is hadnled? |
| 17:08.00 | ksk | mhm, top right-the pictures?^^ |
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| 17:09.49 | belak | Alright, the gitolite package creates the user gitolite, but is there a way to change that to just git? |
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| 17:11.59 | nyuszika7h | Installing firmware-linux-free along with 3.2 kernel helped |
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| 17:13.42 | angs | how to change ssh username and password ? |
| 17:14.02 | nyuszika7h | man usermod |
| 17:14.06 | nyuszika7h | man passwd |
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| 17:16.19 | belak | How would I go about building a package manually with debian, like the same thing apt-get -b source does |
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| 17:25.21 | stew | belak: apt-get source foo ; cd foo-$version ; dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot |
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| 17:39.06 | tharkun | If i wanted to script, link hotkey or whatever the volumen control of my laptop, what would be the place to begin researching? |
| 17:39.14 | jexmex | ok noob question...trying to add a path to PATH...I added this to ~./profile: PATH="/opt/vagrant/bin:$PATH" but echo $PATH still does not show it |
| 17:39.51 | tharkun | jexmex: open a new shell and see what happens |
| 17:40.32 | jexmex | still nothing |
| 17:41.50 | jexmex | ok got it by adding it to ~./bashrc |
| 17:42.14 | stew | tharkun: you can do something like use xbindkeys to assign something to run somehting like "amixser set PCM +5%" |
| 17:42.21 | stew | something something something |
| 17:42.37 | stew | though i recommend not misspelling amixer |
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| 17:43.38 | stew | tharkun: if you have multimedia keys on your laptop already but they aren't working, there are whole roads you should probably be investigating first though |
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| 17:44.34 | tharkun | stew: hmm, i just realized it does have multimedia keys. I didn't noticed that before. ;P |
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| 17:44.57 | angs | how can I see what architecture does my board have? |
| 17:45.09 | vagn | trying to install zentific on squeeze .. is failing on autoreconf ... where is autoreconf in squeeze? |
| 17:45.44 | tharkun | angs: open it up and see the tiny numbers on the largest chip :) Or take a look at the bios when it is booting |
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| 17:48.39 | vagn | nm, found it |
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| 17:54.01 | arthurb | Hello all, I'm having an upgrade problem with wheezy. grub-pc fails to configure |
| 17:54.20 | arthurb | (exit status 10) |
| 17:55.19 | tharkun | stew: what is a reasonable value to set on the multimedia keys? |
| 17:55.48 | stew | tharkun: i'm not sure I know what you mean |
| 17:56.12 | stew | hrm, I just realized i have a postgresql 8.3 cluster I never upgraded |
| 17:56.15 | tharkun | If you are to raise volume by what amount is the usual amount, 5 10 2% |
| 17:56.33 | stew | i don't know |
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| 17:56.53 | stew | and it looks like installing 8.3 from lenny on to wheezy isn't going to be happy days |
| 17:56.59 | tharkun | stew: thanks |
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| 17:58.07 | tharkun | stew: if you are allready on wheezy go to 9,1 and to the pg_dump dance, at least it is more relayable |
| 17:58.18 | stew | tharkun: how do I pg_dump? |
| 17:58.35 | tharkun | pg_dump - extract a PostgreSQL database into a script file or other archive file |
| 17:58.44 | stew | tharkun: yes, but that assumes the cluster is running |
| 17:59.09 | stew | tharkun: (and if it was, i could just "pg_upgradecluster 8.3 main") |
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| 17:59.53 | nyuszika7h | I ran `sudo aptitude --with-recommends install xfce4 openbox openbox-themes', but when I run `sudo systemctl isolate graphical.target', all ttys except for tty1 are killed along with network connections, but X is not started. |
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| 17:59.59 | nyuszika7h | What did I do wrong? |
| 18:00.15 | tharkun | stew: I usually upgrade packages on maintenance windows. I am not comfortable doing it on working production servers |
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| 18:00.21 | KsM | is there any alternative to xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:00.26 | KsM | for intel's drivers |
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| 18:00.51 | stew | tharkun: assume this is a maintenance window |
| 18:01.02 | stew | tharkun: i can start or stop anything |
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| 18:01.34 | mjt | KsM: there's always an alternative: it is xserver-xorg-video-vesa. Whenever you'll like it or not is a different question. |
| 18:01.36 | arthurb | any idea regarding grub-pc failing to configure? |
| 18:02.26 | KsM | mjt: well, I've been having bug after bug with my drivers apparently |
| 18:02.39 | MDH | im trying to install a gui automation program onto my squeeze install, but the packages are in the unstable repo and when i add the sid sources and try to install it says there are broken dependancies. what should I do? |
| 18:02.44 | KsM | first i915 would crash leaving my X session all screwed |
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| 18:03.15 | KsM | then I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel (not knowing what I had previously) |
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| 18:03.29 | KsM | now I'm having odd bugs where firefox crashes X |
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| 18:03.55 | KsM | and yes, I've checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log, many times. |
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| 18:04.12 | KsM | there's no errors there and only two warnings about a font |
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| 18:07.21 | KsM | mjt: I seem to already have vesa installed |
| 18:07.56 | KsM | should I have uninstalled it when I installed intel's drivers? |
| 18:08.11 | mjt | they don't conflict |
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| 18:08.35 | KsM | hm |
| 18:09.02 | KsM | any guess what would happen if I removed vesa and kept intel? |
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| 18:09.15 | mjt | nothing will change |
| 18:09.23 | mjt | since it isn't used anyway |
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| 18:10.08 | KsM | I remember removing xserver-xorg-video-intel and when I logged in, my X was using 100% cpu just idling. |
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| 18:22.17 | acx0 | how do you restart a network interface that's not defined in /etc/network/interfaces (managed by a network manager) - for now I just modprobe -r my wireless card's driver, but after a kernel update it keeps giving me some kind of a kernel panic when I do that |
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| 18:29.47 | nsadmin | acx0, so when you want to shut down your wireless you remove a module? |
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| 18:30.42 | nyuszika7h | 19:59:53 nyuszika7h | I ran `sudo aptitude --with-recommends install xfce4 openbox openbox-themes', but when I run `sudo systemctl isolate graphical.target', all ttys |
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| 18:30.50 | nyuszika7h | 19:59:59 nyuszika7h | What did I do wrong? |
| 18:30.50 | abrotman | acx0: what tool manages the interface currently? |
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| 18:31.04 | nsadmin | didn't he say nm? |
| 18:31.16 | abrotman | acx0: you can turn devices off/on in n-m |
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| 18:31.34 | acx0 | nsadmin: yup, and re-add it obv |
| 18:31.39 | acx0 | abrotman: wicd |
| 18:31.51 | abrotman | wicd and n-m aren't they same ... |
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| 18:32.12 | acx0 | i know, I said 'managed by a network manager', not network-manager |
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| 18:32.38 | abrotman | acx0: have you tried your wifi kill switcho n the laptop ? |
| 18:32.48 | nsadmin | so there are two issues, one solved by usage (use the wocd to turn device on/off), and then there's why you get a kernel panic when removing the module |
| 18:32.55 | abrotman | acx0: does ifup/ifdown work ? |
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| 18:33.12 | nsadmin | he said not mentioned in interfaces |
| 18:33.19 | acx0 | abrotman: 1) not a laptop, wireless dongle on my desktop, rather not have to reach for it |
| 18:33.31 | acx0 | abrotman: 2) those commands only work for devices defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:34.16 | acx0 | well just found out about 'ifconfig <interface> up/down' |
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| 18:34.34 | nsadmin | but perhaps your question is really around whether ifup/ifdown works for interfaces that are in interfaces? |
| 18:35.01 | acx0 | i should mention, the reason I have to restart my card every now and then is after an arbitrary amount of time, the card's total transfer rate gets capped to ~100kB/s |
| 18:35.20 | nsadmin | acx0, yes you could use ifconfig, but that's going to confuse wicd |
| 18:35.47 | stew | i can barely read the text as it flies by at 2400 baud anyway |
| 18:36.07 | acx0 | nsadmin: yeah that's why I was wondering if there's an 'official' way; in wicd I only have the option to disconnect from the current network |
| 18:36.14 | nsadmin | gets out and pushes |
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| 18:36.45 | stew | acx0: i'd bet that in the case you are going to have to reload the module |
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| 18:36.49 | acx0 | nsadmin: and I know that ifup/ifdown works since I use it to restart eth0 on devices where I only use ethernet and have it defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:36.59 | bolt-droid | stew: slowpoke. i didn't fall off until the 28.8's arrived |
| 18:37.11 | nsadmin | acx0, not necessarily an "official" way; I'd rather not have you feel forced... and, does wicd have a way? |
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| 18:37.47 | acx0 | actually... I should probably check to see if the disconnect option in wicd brings down the interface |
| 18:38.13 | stew | i doubt that brining the interface down is going to fix the problem of "my speed gets capped" |
| 18:38.27 | nsadmin | you could do that check by comparing ifconfig -a with ifconfig (not -a) |
| 18:38.30 | acx0 | i dont' think it would though.. since wouldn't that mean I wouldn't be able to scan for wireless AP's while dc'd |
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| 18:38.35 | acx0 | stew: it does actually |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | doesnt' recall wicd having an option to turn /win 1 |
| 18:38.41 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:38.44 | acx0 | stew: and apparently it's a somewhat common issue |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | turn stuff off/on |
| 18:38.56 | acx0 | stew: happens on 2/3 of my wireless cards I use |
| 18:39.18 | stew | weird |
| 18:39.40 | acx0 | stew: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/340418 |
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| 18:39.59 | acx0 | i experience the problem with iwl3945 and rtl8187 |
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| 18:40.15 | acx0 | nsadmin: so disconnect in wicd and then 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 18:40.54 | nsadmin | well ifconfig -a will show you all interfaces... ifconfiog will show only those up |
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| 18:41.14 | acx0 | nsadmin: oh I see, in that case, brb in case I get dc'd |
| 18:41.29 | nsadmin | oh, and ifconfig -a shows all interfaces with driver modprobed |
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| 18:42.11 | nsadmin | so that's a separate test you could use when you are debugging driver modprobes, say at boot |
| 18:42.30 | nsadmin | ("does my driver get inserted at boot somewhere") |
| 18:42.48 | abrotman | acx0: sorry, work happened |
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| 18:44.50 | acx0 | nsadmin: hmm so I tried the 'Disconnect All' option in wicd, and quicly ran 'ifconfig' in a terminal twice, and the first time wlan0 wasn't on the list |
| 18:45.19 | acx0 | so I guess wicd does bring it down, also when I reconnected it said something like 'resetting ip address... putting interface up' |
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| 18:46.11 | acx0 | aaand speedtest.net confirms my DL speed is back to 3Mbit/s |
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| 18:46.21 | acx0 | i guess that solves that - thanks everyone |
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| 18:47.52 | abrotman | acx0: so this is a wifi driver problem where it begins going slowly? |
| 18:48.22 | abrotman | oh .. disregard |
| 18:48.29 | acx0 | also, another question, does a kernel panic render the system unusable? because when I did get what I think was one, I was actually able to switch back to the graphical server, but sudo wouldn't work so I couldn't restart the sytem without an alt+sysrq+reisub |
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| 18:48.48 | Yankees52 | hi |
| 18:48.53 | Yankees52 | is debian rolling release? |
| 18:49.09 | acx0 | abrotman: yeah, guess it's just a bug in the firmware, it actually seems to be triggered by periods of high network activity |
| 18:49.24 | acx0 | Yankees52: depending on the branch you use and your definition of rolling I guess |
| 18:49.25 | Yankees52 | fuck all u crackers |
| 18:49.27 | Yankees52 | now ban me |
| 18:49.31 | Yankees52 | acx0 why the fuck noit? |
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| 18:50.05 | DotHack | what was his problem>... |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | ignore him |
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| 18:50.57 | abrotman | looks at staff |
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| 18:51.07 | acx0 | my ISP has that thing where for the first 10-15 seconds of a download they boost my speed by 2-3x, and that usually causes my card to cap to 100kB/s |
| 18:51.27 | acx0 | never happens on my ath9k card though |
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| 18:51.44 | [TheFlash] | is there any way to downgrade a package from backports to stable? |
| 18:51.57 | wuffi600 | could you give me an example how to use Xspice and connect to it using virtviewer? (If i run Xspice it listens on TCP 6001 but how can i connect to it using virt-viewer?) |
| 18:52.06 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: with aptitute you can select the stable version |
| 18:52.24 | [TheFlash] | i accidentally installed libnss3 from backports |
| 18:52.58 | [TheFlash] | is there any way i can remove it without removing packages that depend on it? |
| 18:53.01 | [TheFlash] | like a "force remove"? |
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| 18:53.20 | [TheFlash] | so that i can install the stable one |
| 18:54.09 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: how? |
| 18:54.11 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: with apt-cache showpkg packagename you can find the versions available |
| 18:54.36 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: then with aptitude install package=version-from-stable |
| 18:54.45 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: you can downgrade |
| 18:54.50 | [TheFlash] | it's not in stable |
| 18:54.53 | [TheFlash] | that's the problem |
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| 18:55.17 | [TheFlash] | but removing libnss3 requires removing... everything |
| 18:55.29 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: you just said you wanted to install the stable one |
| 18:55.41 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: yes, i have the backports one installed |
| 18:56.09 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: then you probably have more packages from backports installed that depend on libnss3 |
| 18:56.33 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: these packages are not from backports, they're from stable (installed from the CD) |
| 18:56.43 | [TheFlash] | like gnome |
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| 18:57.24 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: so there is probably another libnss package you need right? |
| 18:57.32 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: right |
| 18:57.55 | AndChat355284 | Fuuuuucccccckkkkk |
| 18:58.40 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: there is no libnss3 in the stable repository |
| 18:58.55 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: it probably replaced something else |
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| 19:01.26 | [TheFlash] | will i need to reinstall everything? |
| 19:02.13 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: weird that everything is depending on this.. |
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| 19:04.21 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: installing libnss3 has probably upgraded some other packages.. |
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| 19:04.56 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: nope, all the other packages are still from stable |
| 19:05.02 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: i just checked |
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| 19:05.21 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: the thing is, libnss3 replaced libnss3-1d |
| 19:05.21 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: what about libnspr4 |
| 19:05.59 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: that one's from stable, 4.8.6-1 |
| 19:06.59 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: what about using aptitude installing libnss3-1d. it will report broken stuff but with the commands you can create different repair solutions, maybe one of them is downgrading/uninstalling libnss3 |
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| 19:07.28 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: the problem is i do have libnss3-1d, but the backports version :( |
| 19:07.36 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: i tried downgrading it manually |
| 19:07.46 | [TheFlash] | DotHack: but it failed because it isn't compatible with libnss3 |
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| 19:08.07 | jalalsfs | When will "wheezy" be stable? |
| 19:08.29 | DotHack | [TheFlash]: so the command aptitude install libnss3-1d=3.12.8-1+squeeze5 isnt working? |
| 19:08.31 | nsadmin | sometime after today |
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| 19:08.51 | nsadmin | freeze said to be within 2 wks |
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| 19:09.12 | nsadmin | that's the big long bug shakedown |
| 19:09.12 | DotHack | nsadmin: freeze already? |
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| 19:09.28 | jalalsfs | nsadmin, Maybe after two weeks? |
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| 19:09.31 | [TheFlash] | oh well, i guess i'll have to uninstall everything |
| 19:09.32 | nsadmin | <stew> "soon" |
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| 19:09.40 | oskie | sometimes when I boot, my first PATA HDD is /dev/sdd, and sometimes /dev/sda. (it is same when booting debian netinst.) is this a problem? |
| 19:09.46 | oskie | also: how do I find the kernel loadable module for a device (e.g. /dev/sda)? |
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| 19:10.31 | wolfric_ | what is that command again to dump all the dpkg config options that you are prompted with when you apt-get install a package |
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| 19:11.00 | nsadmin | oskie, not so much of a problem as long as grub boots and you're using lvm, labels, uuids or some combination that does not include naming the disks directly (like /dev/sdd) |
| 19:11.07 | MariachiAC | Helli. Is it possible to boot debian with grub-efi. grub-efi is not a choice when installing debian. It only uses grub. |
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| 19:12.07 | oskie | nsadmin: in /boot/grub/grub.cfg I see "linux /boot/vmlinuz-... root=/dev/sddX" <- does it actually ignore that root thing? |
| 19:12.16 | oskie | no wait... I see root=UUID=... |
| 19:12.27 | nsadmin | that should be good |
| 19:12.59 | nsadmin | it's good you're paying attn to this; did the boot ever fail? |
| 19:13.01 | _niCe_ | hi if i do a 'apt-get upgrade' is there a way that i can see from what version to what version the pkg will be changed? haven't done a update for a while so i'd like to check if there is anything important that i should check before just upgrading |
| 19:13.07 | wolfric | nvm debconf-set-selections |
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| 19:13.31 | jordanm | _niCe_: is it a stable -> stable upgrade? |
| 19:13.41 | nsadmin | _niCe_, get a list of the packages and run apt-cache policy on each? |
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| 19:14.00 | oskie | nsadmin: I changed mobo today and after that it didn't boot at all. grub loaded but the kernel paniced every time because it couldn't find root device. Instead of my custom kernel I ended up installing linux-image-3.2.0 with initrd, now I'm pondering if I should go back to my old custom kernel |
| 19:14.02 | jordanm | apt-listchanges would probably be better for that |
| 19:14.06 | nsadmin | that could be a hard road if you're not comfortable with writing scripts |
| 19:14.39 | MariachiAC | sory I had to restart. Hopefully someone still sees my question |
| 19:14.54 | _niCe_ | nsadmin well there are something like 50 pkg ^^ |
| 19:15.03 | nsadmin | oskie, after upgrading kernel, what was result? (abbrvtmg cause I'm against time pressure) |
| 19:15.19 | [TheFlash] | ok, now i'm installing everything back |
| 19:15.25 | oskie | nsadmin: then it booted properly |
| 19:15.31 | nsadmin | _niCe_, well suffice it to say "yes, there is a way" |
| 19:15.40 | _niCe_ | jordanm well i think it's on unstable so that makes it even more important |
| 19:15.52 | [TheFlash] | but this was really stupid |
| 19:16.02 | [TheFlash] | one install from backports can break everything... |
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| 19:16.05 | nsadmin | oskie, ahh, good :) so, if you still want to deal with the custom, you may have to rebuild |
| 19:16.13 | nsadmin | \and figure out what's missing |
| 19:16.47 | nsadmin | who wants to take over front-desk duty? |
| 19:16.58 | nsadmin | I gotta get to the farmers market |
| 19:17.03 | _niCe_ | nsadmin, yea, well i just don't realy know how to do it, without going over them manualy - and thats what i don't realy whant to do |
| 19:17.42 | nsadmin | _niCe_, start by getting a list of what pkgs it will upgrade into a file |
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| 19:18.04 | nsadmin | then learn just enough scripting to echo each one on a separate line |
| 19:18.22 | nsadmin | then ask here what should be done to each pkg to make the comparison |
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| 19:21.06 | [TheFlash] | ok, it's fine now |
| 19:21.14 | [TheFlash] | i will get security updates for libnss |
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| 19:24.58 | _droid | hi guys, i wanted to know where can I ask about questions concerning the debian-arm project? |
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| 19:25.56 | Nepherius | on debian 6, where is uname forced from in motd? It's not in /etc/init.t/bootmisc.sh |
| 19:25.58 | daemonkeeper | _droid: In #debian-arm on OFTC. |
| 19:26.44 | _droid | that channel is not existent u prolly mean ##debian-arm? |
| 19:27.03 | daemonkeeper | I mean on OFTC. |
| 19:27.07 | daemonkeeper | This is Freenode. |
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| 19:27.27 | _droid | daemonkeeper: oftc? |
| 19:27.35 | daemonkeeper | !oftc |
| 19:27.36 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 19:27.55 | _droid | ok |
| 19:27.56 | _droid | thx |
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| 19:41.54 | tharkun | stew: Sorry had to leave. I would use pg_upgradecluster after doing a pg_dump. i'm actually quite paranoic on data loss. Happened once and it couldn't be totally restored. |
| 19:42.30 | stew | tharkun: yes, my problem is that I cannot run pg_upgradecluster because the cluster isn't running |
| 19:42.48 | stew | tharkun: i'm installing lenny in a chroot to try to get the cluster running there |
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| 19:43.07 | stew | tharkun: the only lenny machines I have left (where I could install postgres 8.3) are the wrong arch |
| 19:43.23 | tharkun | stew: what arch do you need? |
| 19:43.28 | stew | (this cluster was from an amd64 machine, and all my remaining lenny machines are i386) |
| 19:43.31 | stew | amd64 |
| 19:43.46 | stew | so I have debootstrap lenny running on an amd64 machine now |
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| 19:44.29 | tharkun | stew: I've got a few running on i386 Will that work for you? |
| 19:45.08 | stew | tharkun: no, but thanks |
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| 19:54.54 | Eising | hey, can anyone tell me what package to install to get some basic fonts? I can't seem to find the old msttcorefonts package |
| 19:55.18 | Eising | Thing is, I have no X, and I only need the fonts for a webapp that generates pdf files |
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| 19:58.50 | mivulf | if I want to bite off 100gb from ext4 to ntfs, how probably that beats files on that part? |
| 20:01.54 | stew | Eising: do you really just need "some basic fonts" or do you specifically need the ms fonts? |
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| 20:02.11 | dawud | Eising: there is ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 20:03.00 | mivulf | if I want to bite off 100gb from ext4 to ntfs, how probably that beats files on that ext4 section? |
| 20:03.36 | DotHack | is /tmp cleared on boot? |
| 20:03.42 | jelly-home | mivulf: what's your native language? Your English is weird. |
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| 20:04.01 | jelly-home | poor beaten files |
| 20:04.24 | dawud | DotHack: check it out. reboot :) |
| 20:04.25 | stew | DotHack: yes, how throughly can be defined in /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:04.30 | mivulf | jelly-home: I mean damaged |
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| 20:05.01 | jelly-home | mivulf: resize2fs is supposed to be pretty stable these days, but ext4 is still new-ish. Have backups. |
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| 20:05.50 | mivulf | jelly-home: the problems consits on fact that I can't backup - havnt disc drive such capacity =( |
| 20:06.03 | DotHack | stew: thnx! |
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| 20:06.28 | stew | yrwlcmx |
| 20:06.46 | rypervenche | How could I upgrade only certain packages using aptitude? |
| 20:06.47 | jelly-home | mivulf: borrow an external device? |
| 20:07.00 | dokma|2 | how do I remount all after adding a swap in fstab? |
| 20:07.13 | ompaul | dokma|2: mount -a |
| 20:07.20 | dokma|2 | thanks! |
| 20:07.24 | jelly-home | dokma|2: swap is not mounted, it's enabled using "swapon -a" |
| 20:07.38 | ompaul | smacks his own head |
| 20:07.53 | jelly-home | failing at context, you are, hrrm |
| 20:08.05 | dokma | jelly-home: yeah but it won't come back on after reboot right? |
| 20:08.21 | jelly-home | dokma: it will. It still won't be mounted. |
| 20:08.51 | dokma | jelly-home: I already used swapon and swap was not created after reboot |
| 20:08.57 | dokma | so I do need to put it in fstab |
| 20:08.59 | mivulf | jelly-home: why resize2fs? its better than boot from gparted livecd? :) |
| 20:09.02 | dokma | but don't need a remount |
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| 20:09.07 | dokma | that what you sayin? |
| 20:09.32 | jelly-home | mivulf: resize2fs the actual tool that gparted uses to shrink an ext[234]fs |
| 20:09.48 | jelly-home | dokma: correct. |
| 20:10.00 | mivulf | jelly-home: ah. so.. I can just unmount ext4, than use resize2fs from shell? |
| 20:10.02 | dokma | jelly-home: roger |
| 20:10.36 | jelly-home | mivulf: gparted is about two thirds wrappers for different fs-specific tools, and one third GUI and actual functionality |
| 20:10.38 | dokma | mivulf: take care that you don't resize a filesystem backwards... |
| 20:10.52 | jelly-home | backwards? |
| 20:11.03 | dokma | like in having sda1 and sda2 and then deleting sda1 and trying to resize the file system from sda2 to fill it in |
| 20:11.12 | dokma | I think the manual mentions this situation |
| 20:11.37 | jelly-home | doesn't even try to parse that one |
| 20:11.39 | dokma | I'm just about to attempt something like that so I read up a bit on it |
| 20:11.53 | mivulf | I just want to bite off 100gb from /home |
| 20:11.59 | mivulf | I hope that's not a big deal |
| 20:12.09 | mivulf | but want to make it safety =) |
| 20:12.22 | dokma | mivulf: just read the man resize2fs |
| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | if you want safety, make a backup and verify it works |
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| 20:12.26 | dokma | you'll find that part easily |
| 20:12.32 | dokma | it's somewhere in the beginning |
| 20:13.03 | kevlarman | jelly-home: at that point format and restore becomes a lot less effort than resizing :P |
| 20:13.06 | mivulf | jelly-home: I trold you, I havnt enough space for backup ( |
| 20:13.24 | jelly-home | mivulf: do not do any resizing until you get it, then |
| 20:13.29 | dokma | mivulf: it say make sure that the recreated partition has the same starting cylinder |
| 20:13.40 | dokma | which amounts to the same thing I just said |
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| 20:13.54 | ompaul | mivulf: it is a gamble there is no 100% - better if you get the space, however if you must you must |
| 20:13.56 | dokma | you cannot resize backwards |
| 20:13.59 | jelly-home | kevlarman: shrinking reasonably filled ext3-ext4 can be very slow |
| 20:14.34 | kevlarman | jelly-home: yeah i'm roughly aware of how it chooses free space to use up |
| 20:14.52 | jelly-home | kevlarman: anectodal evidence says shrinking a 300GB fs to 80GB might take 4 times as long as backup/reformat/restore |
| 20:14.53 | KsM | Can someone link me to the manual for what to do with the diff and dsc files when I apt-get source a package |
| 20:15.16 | kevlarman | jelly-home: i think zfs is about the only fs that deals well with this type of thing |
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| 20:16.41 | kevlarman | but yeah that's what i meant, if you have a backup, format+restore is just less effort |
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| 20:18.39 | oskie | hello, does anyone know how grub-update generates root=XXX in /boot/grub/grub.cfg? for some kernel it generates root=/dev/sdd2 (=BAD), for some root=UUID=... (=GOOD) |
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| 20:22.05 | jordanm | nsadmin: apt-cache policy $(apt-get -s upgrade | awk '$1 ~ "Inst" { print $2 }') | awk '/^[^ ].+:/ { split($0,a,/:/); packages[++i]=a[1]; } /^[[:space:]]+Installed:/ { split($0,a,/: /); cur[i]=a[2] }; /^[[:space:]]+Candidate:/ { split($0,a,/: /); new[i]=a[2] } END { asorti(packages,d); for (x in d) { printf("%s: %s => %s\n",packages[x],cur[x],new[x]); }; }' |
| 20:22.24 | nkuttler | ew |
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| 20:23.07 | calrogman | Your awk could do with some refinement... |
| 20:23.49 | jordanm | calrogman: such as? |
| 20:24.25 | calrogman | well for one, you could probably work it all into one invocation, rather than piping one awk to another... |
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| 20:25.55 | oskie | hello, as I said before my root device sometimes changes from /dev/sda to /dev/sdd after reboot. my grub.cfg has a static root=/dev/sdd2 because I use a custom kernel without initrd. that means half the time my system won't boot |
| 20:26.16 | sney | have you tried using your uuid instead? |
| 20:26.27 | jordanm | calrogman: I am technically not piping one awk to another, I am piping apt-cache policy to awk with arguements from an awk command sub |
| 20:26.40 | kevlarman | oskie: 1) use uuids, 2) stop using a kernel without initrd |
| 20:26.54 | jordanm | calrogman: I could do the first part without awk entirely, it was just quick and easy |
| 20:26.58 | oskie | sney: according to /etc/grub.d/10_linux, root=UUID=xxx is only understood by initrds |
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| 20:27.04 | calrogman | jordanm: yeah, fair enough |
| 20:27.34 | oskie | kevlarman: you are probably right,but... |
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| 20:28.26 | calrogman | oskie: ignore what kevlarman said about using an initrd. if you don't need to use one, don't. you can write a udev rule based on your disk's uuid to mount it in the same place every time |
| 20:28.39 | calrogman | oskie: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Map_Custom_Device_Entries_with_udev should give you a rough idea of a starting point |
| 20:28.46 | sney | also, your core issue may be caused by a common bios annoyance that declares a connected usb disk as the 'first' disk in the system |
| 20:28.54 | kevlarman | calrogman: saving 1.5 seconds is not worth not being able to move the hard drive to new hardware |
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| 20:29.15 | calrogman | kevlarman: have you ever heard of forethought |
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| 20:29.34 | oskie | calrogman: so i thought, but the kernel needs to root= directive to determine how to mount /, and at that time udev isn't available is it? |
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| 20:30.45 | calrogman | oskie: you could always use mknod to create a static node for your root partition? |
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| 20:32.00 | oskie | calrogman: but /dev won't be available before / is mounted :9 |
| 20:32.16 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 20:32.27 | calrogman | oskie: can you tell i use an initrd? :-) |
| 20:32.38 | Nik05 | i just installed xorg + awesome |
| 20:32.50 | Nik05 | but i have a problem with key repeating |
| 20:33.03 | Nik05 | when i press a key it only repeats after 1 second |
| 20:33.07 | Nik05 | well it feels that way |
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| 20:33.34 | Nik05 | it tried to make the delay smaller in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then the kbd section |
| 20:33.54 | Nik05 | Option "AutoRepeat" "100 30" but it does nothing |
| 20:33.57 | Nik05 | what can i do? |
| 20:34.15 | calrogman | Nik05 man kbd xkeyboard-config |
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| 20:38.07 | mivulf | okay that's a problem. livecd gparted says that he can't do anything with ext4, because of lvm |
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| 20:39.22 | Nik05 | thanks calrogman |
| 20:39.35 | calrogman | Nik05: I was going for a sarcastic but technically correct answer there, but it turns out I'm an idiot. Sorry. Just put "xset r 100 30" in ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:40.01 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 20:40.08 | mivulf | jelly-home: are you here yet, sir? :) |
| 20:40.18 | Nik05 | but why isnt that autorepeat working in xorg.conf? |
| 20:41.12 | calrogman | Nik05: I don't know; it might have been deprecated. |
| 20:41.36 | jelly-home | mivulf: only mechanically |
| 20:42.25 | mivulf | jelly-home: gparted tells that ext4 protected by lvm, do you know, what to do? |
| 20:42.53 | jelly-home | mivulf: for a fs on LVM, you'll have to reduce the size of your filesystem first, then reduce LV size, then reduce PV size, then reduce the partition |
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| 20:43.38 | juventus90 | ciao |
| 20:43.38 | mivulf | jelly-home: look pretty bad ( thx.. |
| 20:43.45 | juventus90 | !list |
| 20:43.45 | dpkg | juventus90: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 20:43.48 | jelly-home | I don't really know why gparted fails at lvm resizing, since it's easier than resizing partitions |
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| 20:44.26 | tharkun | jelly-home: out of scope ? |
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| 20:44.37 | jelly-home | not really |
| 20:46.04 | jordanm | jelly-home: maybe they thought the existing tools for lvm resizing were just fine |
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| 20:48.14 | mivulf | ok, so: 1) reduce the logic volume 2) reduce the physical volume 3) make ntfs from unvolumed space |
| 20:48.17 | mivulf | right? :) |
| 20:48.31 | jelly-home | mivulf: 0) shrink the filesystem |
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| 20:48.52 | jelly-home | 2.5) shirnk the partition size PV is on |
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| 20:49.38 | tharkun | mivulf: overall picture reduce inner containers before outter ones. Beeing the actual partition the outter mosst one |
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| 20:52.14 | trysten | hello #debian! |
| 20:52.20 | sney | hello |
| 20:52.29 | tharkun | ELLO |
| 20:52.34 | mivulf | llo |
| 20:53.27 | adaro | lo |
| 20:53.32 | trysten | i'm looking for a way to, uh, sort of emulate a fancier desktop. the feature i need is passing filenames to my web browser (chromium or iceweasel). however i don't use and file browser capable of drag and drop. what is the most minimalist way of accomplishing this? |
| 20:53.56 | trysten | s/and/an/ |
| 20:54.04 | jelly-home | copy and paste! |
| 20:54.25 | tharkun | hmm isn't there a unix principle that states use the right tool for the job? |
| 20:54.33 | trysten | path name? a good example is the website dropcanvas.com |
| 20:54.37 | jelly-home | right tool: middle button |
| 20:54.45 | trysten | i'll try.. |
| 20:55.15 | Nik05 | oh another question... in X11 :) |
| 20:55.29 | mivulf | trysten: try pentadactyl |
| 20:55.36 | Nik05 | when i press alt a in irssi |
| 20:55.50 | Nik05 | it gives me this char á what to do? :P |
| 20:56.06 | Nik05 | reconfigure keyboard-configuration? |
| 20:56.19 | trysten | what do you want it to do, Nik05? |
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| 20:56.32 | Nik05 | i need to do meta alt + a |
| 20:56.37 | Nik05 | switch to active channel |
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| 20:57.22 | trysten | Nik05: i use alt+arrow keys. |
| 20:57.32 | Nik05 | yes me too |
| 20:57.48 | Nik05 | but with alt a it switched to the channel with latest activity |
| 20:57.52 | trysten | is irc nooblet |
| 20:57.56 | Nik05 | but its not working here |
| 20:59.07 | trysten | Nik05: i think my config says meta-x is "window last" is that what you are looking for? |
| 20:59.27 | Nik05 | meta-a |
| 20:59.34 | Nik05 | but ok how do i get a meta alt? |
| 20:59.52 | trysten | well i'm using the default config, i was asking if "window last" is the command that accomplishes what you want. |
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| 21:00.19 | Nik05 | trysten its a x11 problem |
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| 21:00.26 | Nik05 | cause in a tty it works |
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| 21:02.39 | mivulf | hmmmm if I make new ntfs logic volume in debian physic volume, its ok? |
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| 21:04.24 | sney | mivulf: ok for what? debian will be able to see it, certainly. windows might have some problems depending |
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| 21:04.42 | mivulf | sney: which problems? |
| 21:05.12 | sney | well, do you mean a logical msdos partition, or inside lvm? |
| 21:05.36 | mivulf | sney: inside lvm.. |
| 21:06.08 | sney | windows won't be able to see it |
| 21:06.12 | jelly-home | mivulf: windows don't know anything about lvm |
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| 21:07.53 | mivulf | jelly-home: oh.. okay, thx. so I must put it out.. |
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| 21:18.52 | tharkun | I have this two subdirs that have lots of files, how can i use diff to tell me if one is a subset of the other. |
| 21:19.33 | nsadmin | tharkun, starting with the file names? |
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| 21:20.05 | jelly-home | tharkun: count ^- and ^\+ lines in diff -Nru output? |
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| 21:20.50 | tharkun | nsadmin: actually the file names only would be great. |
| 21:21.06 | nsadmin | inside each dir, do ls -1 > file.list then diff -u dir1/file.list dir2/file.list |
| 21:21.16 | tharkun | jelly-home: I'm trying to figure out what you wrote. |
| 21:21.18 | nsadmin | then read the diff |
| 21:21.40 | nsadmin | and, jelly's then applies |
| 21:22.01 | jelly-home | doesn't want to have anything with what nsadmin said! |
| 21:22.20 | nsadmin | no choice... still applies |
| 21:22.33 | nsadmin | can't escape fact to save your life :) |
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| 21:25.19 | nsadmin | tharkun, ^ means start of line |
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| 21:26.03 | nsadmin | if you see both + on some lines and - on others, neither is subset of the other |
| 21:27.02 | tharkun | nsadmin: dir1 is a subset of dir2, no use on keeping dir1 at all |
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| 21:27.44 | nsadmin | I didn't say the "no use" part tho :) |
| 21:28.31 | nsadmin | if you are sure the content of similarly named files are the same, then yes UNLESS something else depends on its presence |
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| 21:29.10 | jelly-home | tharkun: diff can be used on trees recursively. Thus diff -Nru olddir newdir shows differences between files with same names in olddir and newdir. Lines present in olddir only begin with "-" in output. |
| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | tharkun: if one directory is a subset of the other, in both file existence and their contents, you ought to have only lines beginning with -, or only lines beginning with + |
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| 21:30.39 | jelly-home | (once you account for filenames in the output, lines with ^--- and ^\+\+\+ |
| 21:30.48 | nsadmin | right, ls only goes 1 level... |
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| 21:31.22 | tharkun | jelly-home: thanks i did ls -1 */* >$file for both dirs, and diff them got the suspected + signs |
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| 21:31.37 | jelly-home | now, if you cared only about file existence and not their contents, you might just enumerate files on each dir, sort the output and diff like nsadmin suggested |
| 21:31.43 | nsadmin | but you -can- uaw la -R1 on each\ |
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| 21:32.12 | nsadmin | use not uaw |
| 21:32.24 | jelly-home | or find. |
| 21:32.38 | nsadmin | that too |
| 21:34.31 | jordanm | I would just do an rsync dry-run |
| 21:34.52 | jelly-home | don't forget --delete |
| 21:35.16 | jelly-home | or run it both ways |
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| 21:44.53 | iateadonut | if 'somebody' dropped a mysql database from a debian server, and there were no binary logs or other backups, what would be a good data recovery program to try and get it back by accessing the files at /var/lib/mysql or some other way? |
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| 21:47.34 | Nik05 | calrogman a question abou .xinitrc |
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| 21:48.05 | calrogman | yeah Nik05? |
| 21:48.13 | Nik05 | i put xset r rate 100 30 in the file but if i now start `startx' x server crashes |
| 21:48.32 | Nik05 | if i do `xset r 100 30' it says 100 i not valid or something |
| 21:48.45 | nsadmin | iateadonut, you could start mysql on a copy of its files and make a dump... check mysql docs and #mysql (in that order) for details |
| 21:49.28 | Nik05 | so i remove the .xinitrc file and then x started |
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| 21:49.46 | Nik05 | once in x i did `xset r rate 100 30' and it worked |
| 21:49.59 | calrogman | you need to put something like "xset r 100 30 & exec awesome" in .xinitrc |
| 21:50.11 | Nik05 | but 100 is to fast so i made it 200 |
| 21:50.12 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 21:50.27 | Nik05 | and what is executed if i dont have an .xinitrc? |
| 21:51.08 | calrogman | um, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 21:51.18 | calrogman | er, whoops, /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 21:51.44 | calrogman | (That'll teach me to tab complete wildly.) |
| 21:51.50 | iateadonut | i mean, those files would be gone, too, nsadmin |
| 21:51.55 | iateadonut | but try to somehow get them back. |
| 21:51.58 | iateadonut | recover somehow |
| 21:52.42 | Nik05 | and is it possible to start the normals scripts and with the xset? |
| 21:52.52 | Nik05 | so i dont have to make my own xinit? |
| 21:53.30 | nsadmin | iateadonut, shouldn'ta ate that donut! |
| 21:53.54 | nsadmin | so did you say you have backups with the mysql files in ther? |
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| 21:58.26 | iateadonut | i meant that i'd like to try to recover the files from the directory |
| 21:58.31 | iateadonut | anyway, it's actually someone else's problem. |
| 21:58.35 | iateadonut | in #mysql |
| 21:58.46 | iateadonut | he dropped a table accidentally. |
| 21:59.05 | iateadonut | and after asking if he had binary logs, etc, it seems to me the only thing to do was to try to recover the files from a dd of that partition |
| 21:59.14 | iateadonut | but someone just gave a video tutorial of how to recover lost data. |
| 21:59.21 | iateadonut | so, hopefully he'll be able to do that. |
| 21:59.24 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 22:01.36 | calrogman | Nik05: you could just copy /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc to .xinitrc and customise to fit your needs rather than start with a blank slate |
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| 22:01.57 | FilipeMaia | How can i install a package without installing its dependencies? |
| 22:03.01 | Lakne | FilipeMaia: apt-get -d install package, which will download it without installing. Then: dpkg -i --force-all the-thing.deb |
| 22:03.16 | FilipeMaia | Lakne: ok, thanks |
| 22:03.27 | Lakne | Not that I would recommend to do so though... |
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| 22:03.49 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to tell apt I've installed a library myself? |
| 22:03.53 | calrogman | Lakne FilipeMaia: dpkg -i --force-depends the-thing.deb would be preferable |
| 22:04.04 | calrogman | FilipeMaia: package it, and install the package :-) |
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| 22:04.13 | FilipeMaia | I don't know how to package things |
| 22:04.23 | FilipeMaia | I compiled a newer version of a lib |
| 22:04.24 | FilipeMaia | hdf5 |
| 22:04.31 | calrogman | checkinstall ;-) |
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| 22:04.41 | FilipeMaia | but when i install packages that depend on it it still wants to install the packaged version |
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| 22:05.27 | calrogman | any particular reason you compiled your own library instead of using the provided one? |
| 22:05.33 | Sevet | FilipeMaia: they might depend on a specific version of the package which is different to your one |
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| 22:06.00 | FilipeMaia | calrogman: yes, it's newer |
| 22:06.11 | amgarchIn9 | Hi! Any idea how such a chained "fork bombs" can occur? http://pastebin.com/cbXLUrHR This one of the shorterst. |
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| 22:06.34 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: yes that's a possible problem |
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| 22:06.51 | FilipeMaia | where does apt download things in download only mode? |
| 22:06.55 | FilipeMaia | I can't find the .deb |
| 22:07.06 | calrogman | FilipeMaia: that's not a valid reason :-) is it better in any specific way? does it have features you need or fix security holes that the Debian security team haven't sorted yet? if the bigger version is the only motivation, use the provided .deb |
| 22:07.35 | FilipeMaia | calrogman: i'm compiling software that does not compile with the packaged version |
| 22:07.36 | Sevet | FilipeMaia: oh you're installing from source but not packaging it? apt needs to know a package is installed to fill the dependancy |
| 22:07.42 | Sevet | !tell FilipeMaia about equivs |
| 22:08.17 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: thanks i'll take a look |
| 22:08.25 | Sevet | but it's not necessarily the best way :) |
| 22:08.26 | Sevet | and apt downloads to /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 22:08.55 | calrogman | from ftp.<country_code>.debian.org/debian/pool/, also, maybe try installing libhdf5-dev |
| 22:08.56 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: thanks, i'll try the equivs route first |
| 22:09.06 | FilipeMaia | calrogman: that's not the problem |
| 22:09.16 | calrogman | FilipeMaia: Just checking. :-) |
| 22:09.20 | FilipeMaia | But that's for the help |
| 22:09.22 | FilipeMaia | thanks |
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| 22:13.30 | Nik05 | calrogman the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is like almost empty... |
| 22:13.34 | EdePopede | hi, any chance to limit ressources (in may case RAM) that programs use? is there a method in linux in general or in debian? |
| 22:13.47 | Nik05 | but whhen i dont have .xinitrc it does start awesome |
| 22:13.50 | Nik05 | but where? |
| 22:13.58 | Nik05 | i cant find it in /init/xinitrc |
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| 22:14.03 | Nik05 | or in Xsessionn |
| 22:14.29 | jordanm | EdePopede: /etc/security/limits.conf, but the program must be started in a way that pam was able to enforce pam_limits |
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| 22:14.44 | jordanm | EdePopede: eg. not via start-stop-daemon |
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| 22:15.03 | EdePopede | firefox is the greedy villain |
| 22:15.06 | Sav1or | WOOT DEBIAN |
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| 22:15.50 | jordanm | EdePopede: you can only restrict the entire user, but the result will be the application crashing |
| 22:16.05 | EdePopede | better firefox than the whole desktop |
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| 22:16.11 | jordanm | well, the entire user session |
| 22:16.25 | EdePopede | memory management in liinux seem to be messed up anyway |
| 22:16.35 | jordanm | its not messed up |
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| 22:16.50 | EdePopede | i had more than enough desktop craseh because of firefox/plugincontainer |
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| 22:17.23 | jordanm | EdePopede: apt-get install chromium |
| 22:17.29 | jordanm | -browser |
| 22:17.31 | EdePopede | it is, since it doesnt terminate the program thats running wild, but something as basic as the whole xfce parts |
| 22:17.39 | kevlarman | jordanm: not a good solution when memory usage is an issue |
| 22:17.55 | jordanm | EdePopede: yes, OOM killer will kill high mem processes when there is no RAM left to allocate |
| 22:17.56 | EdePopede | isnt firefox chromium anyway? |
| 22:18.04 | kevlarman | EdePopede: no |
| 22:18.08 | EdePopede | WARNING: waitpid failed pid:8050 errno:10: file /builds/slave/rel-2.0-lnx64-bld/build/ipc/chromium/src/base/process_util_posix.cc, line 237 |
| 22:18.32 | kevlarman | firefox is firefox, chromium is the open source project behind google chrome |
| 22:18.34 | EdePopede | i expect chromium to be a trademark of google or similar |
| 22:18.35 | jordanm | EdePopede: what version of debian are you using? |
| 22:18.53 | jordanm | no, especially since chromium was an app before the chromium browser |
| 22:18.57 | EdePopede | 6.0.5 |
| 22:19.15 | kevlarman | "google chrome" is trademarked obviously |
| 22:19.44 | EdePopede | too many codenames for everything |
| 22:20.06 | EdePopede | there sdhould be ean encyclopedia only on those |
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| 22:24.48 | asarch | One very stupid question: What does it take to enable PHP scripts in stable? |
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| 22:25.15 | EdePopede | OOM killer will kill high mem processes <-- what is (A) what is (B) and... WHY? |
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| 22:27.39 | themill | asarch: depending on what you mean by that question, you want to install php5-cli |
| 22:27.43 | kevlarman | EdePopede: when the kernel is asked for memory that doesn't exist, it has 3 choices, 1) panic, 2) kill the process that happened to be unlucky enough to ask for memory at the wrong time, 3) kill a process that by some heuristic is least likely to bring down the system |
| 22:27.57 | kevlarman | EdePopede: it does option 3 |
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| 22:29.10 | delpiero | ciao a tutti |
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| 22:29.55 | calrogman | kevlarman: only if you don't tell it to do option 1 or 2! see sysctl vm.panic_on_oom and vm.oom_kill_allocating_task |
| 22:30.20 | EdePopede | and why no 4) keep a small list of memory usage for programs above 5 or 10% or so and then kill the one that doesn't get enough? or simply use a concept similar to nice. browsers and even more flash would be tagged as "kill me plz" |
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| 22:30.51 | calrogman | EdePopede: that's pretty much what option number 3 is... |
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| 22:31.45 | davidWork | There is one single domain that won't transfer in bind9. |
| 22:31.55 | davidWork | when I try to force a transfer it says: Jun 12 15:31:51 inndns02 named[1975]: zone tourismrichmond.net/IN: refresh: CNAME at top of zone in master 10.1.1.12#53 (source 0.0.0.0#0) |
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| 22:32.06 | davidWork | I don't know what it means |
| 22:32.33 | asarch | themill, I mean: echo -e "<?php\n echo 'Hello, world!'\n?>" > /var/www/hello.php |
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| 22:32.54 | themill | asarch: you mean you want to run php as an apache module? |
| 22:32.57 | kevlarman | EdePopede: keep in mind that malloc() does not cause memory to be commited |
| 22:33.16 | asarch | And then: localhost/asarch.php |
| 22:33.25 | EdePopede | ugly.. had X at 25% and firefox at 26 before killing it, X went down to 11 again. now started firefox again, 7%. but X is at 22% again. it is on X to do all the work when displaying images? |
| 22:33.29 | asarch | (I can't see the "Hello, world") |
| 22:33.36 | calrogman | EdePopede: also, see /proc/<pid>/oom_adj |
| 22:33.40 | themill | asarch: specifically with apache though? not some other web server? |
| 22:33.45 | themill | dpkg: tell asarch about install php |
| 22:34.18 | kevlarman | EdePopede: btw i had good luck with opera in circumstances with limited memory |
| 22:34.23 | calrogman | and for anybody interested in the OOM killer: http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ |
| 22:34.25 | asarch | Thank you themill! |
| 22:34.28 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 22:34.33 | kevlarman | EdePopede: although keep in mind my idea of limited memory is 2gb |
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| 22:34.45 | EdePopede | oh, you remind me... i reinstalled opera these days *cough* |
| 22:34.57 | asarch | Nop, it didn't work at all |
| 22:35.13 | kevlarman | EdePopede: the builtin "enable plugins on demand" is really nice |
| 22:35.47 | asarch | Wait a minute... |
| 22:35.51 | asarch | Yeah! |
| 22:35.56 | asarch | It worked! |
| 22:36.35 | EdePopede | if you have a minute... what does http://www.levenez.com/windows/ to your memory consumption? (i think it is the fullsize image loaded in the background, didn't find it yet...) |
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| 22:37.06 | asarch | It broke my Iceweasel session! |
| 22:38.13 | EdePopede | uff... 30989x1754 and 3.4MB. considering png is compressed... |
| 22:38.36 | EdePopede | asakura1: my link? if so, sry :) |
| 22:38.55 | EdePopede | the unix version is even bigger i think... |
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| 22:41.22 | calrogman | wow that's a big png |
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| 22:42.15 | EdePopede | a good wallpaper for the office... |
| 22:42.24 | Trewas | didn't seem to do anything to firefox memory usage, but that is mere 155MB image (uncompressed) if that is the real size |
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| 23:15.58 | tharkun | Kill -15 is not responding, kill -9 is a bit of an overkill, is there something in between? |
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| 23:24.34 | Blue1 | YaY -- I nuked enough hidden files I finally got xfce to come up clean |
| 23:24.49 | sney | !congratulate Blue1 |
| 23:24.49 | dpkg | Nice one Blue1, you did it! |
| 23:25.00 | Blue1 | WOO HOO! |
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| 23:27.03 | cafuego | Do what I did. |
| 23:27.04 | dvs | !beer Blue1 |
| 23:27.04 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for Blue1 |
| 23:27.12 | cafuego | Remove 2GB of kernels + headers. |
| 23:27.27 | dvs | hello stranger |
| 23:27.33 | Blue1 | drinks the beer and says: "It was delicious and not filling at all." |
| 23:27.35 | cafuego | looks around in a mad panic |
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| 23:30.02 | WinstonSmith | has a manic pad |
| 23:31.34 | cafuego | it'll never catch on (unless you glue fish hooks to it) |
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