| 00:00.04 | karihre | peterrooney: I've actually been using it for quite a while, pretty nice piece of software |
| 00:00.11 | bardzusny | then...(drama)...it happened... |
| 00:00.41 | peterrooney | "I used to be a really good sysadmin... before the incident." |
| 00:00.52 | karihre | haha |
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| 00:01.09 | nsadmin | I used to be a great neurosurgeon... |
| 00:02.21 | ompaul | now you're just average? |
| 00:02.34 | nsadmin | well, there was that one time... |
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| 00:04.01 | jpinx | nsadmin: logs tell me Can't allocate interfacde wlease {#12 |
| 00:04.18 | jpinx | nsadmin: logs tell me Can't allocate interfacde wlease {#012 interface |
| 00:04.40 | jpinx | oops. sorry... typing from my phone here |
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| 00:05.35 | nsadmin | "allocate interface", could udev be involved? |
| 00:06.03 | jpinx | nsadmin: no mention in logs |
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| 00:06.31 | nsadmin | is this after a reboot after you did iwlist scan? |
| 00:07.06 | jpinx | nsadmin: no reboot since scan.. I'll try that |
| 00:07.16 | nsadmin | wait, I was just asking |
| 00:07.37 | jpinx | no harm to try ;) |
| 00:07.44 | nsadmin | you can reboot if you want but I'm not saying to |
| 00:08.35 | jpinx | rebooting now |
| 00:08.52 | jpinx | it's quick ;) |
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| 00:10.38 | jpinx | nsadmin no change after reboot |
| 00:11.01 | nsadmin | the reason I asked, is there was a wlan0 interface already, I'm not sure what interface it's talking about |
| 00:11.25 | nsadmin | and ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan still works? |
| 00:12.27 | jpinx | yes |
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| 00:12.45 | nsadmin | take a look at your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:13.36 | bardzusny | jpinx: is it wpa network? |
| 00:13.52 | jpinx | bardzusny: yes |
| 00:13.54 | bardzusny | (if it isn't, it should be, but that's purely by the way) |
| 00:13.56 | bardzusny | hmm |
| 00:14.20 | bardzusny | try adding these lines into /etc/network/interfaces (alter them to your case) |
| 00:14.23 | bardzusny | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 00:14.37 | bardzusny | wpa-ssid "YOUR NETWORK SSID" |
| 00:14.42 | bardzusny | wpa-psk "YOUR NETWORK PASSWORD" |
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| 00:15.06 | jpinx | nsadmin: interfaces shows no wlan0 entry |
| 00:15.08 | bardzusny | then turn off wicd (/etc/init.d/wicd stop) and "ifup wlan0" as root...let's see if it works without wicd |
| 00:15.19 | N-I-L | aloha |
| 00:15.42 | jpinx | bardzusny: ok .. hang on.... |
| 00:15.48 | bardzusny | sure |
| 00:16.38 | nsadmin | jpinx, ok, you could try bardzusny's suggestion, it will demonstrate if things work... since there will be an entry, wicd will ignore the interface |
| 00:16.55 | nsadmin | still, it would be good to know if you have basic functionality |
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| 00:18.03 | bardzusny | nsadmin: are you sure wicd ignores interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 00:20.24 | nsadmin | bardzusny, it should |
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| 00:21.28 | cmr | I'm getting "/usr/lib/chromium/chromium: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when I try to start chromium and some XPCOM/libxul.so errors when trying to start iceweasel. The libraries exist, how can I debug and remedy this? |
| 00:21.42 | nsadmin | bardzusny, the original thing was, jpinx's is a laptop that had a flat battery, and it died/crashed/poweroffed |
| 00:21.59 | nsadmin | after that, things stopped working |
| 00:22.06 | bardzusny | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:22.35 | nsadmin | so we're trying to see what works and what doesn't... maybe he should purge wicd and reinstall it completely |
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| 00:22.59 | bardzusny | nsadmin: I'm not sure about interfaces/wicd, since forever I'm using eth0 defined in interfaces and wicd works with it just fine |
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| 00:23.32 | nsadmin | do you have anything like auto eth0 or allow-hotplug eth0? |
| 00:23.52 | bardzusny | allow-hotplug |
| 00:24.23 | bardzusny | (added during installation, not manually) |
| 00:24.24 | nsadmin | that should allow a connection that can be initiated at any time, boot, later |
| 00:25.16 | bardzusny | yes, it still works, but even with auto, I'm quite sure wicd would still be able to manage it all right |
| 00:25.22 | bardzusny | (just my experience) |
| 00:25.40 | nsadmin | hmm. what happened to ignoring used interfaces |
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| 00:25.51 | nsadmin | what dist do you run? |
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| 00:26.15 | bardzusny | sid |
| 00:26.27 | nsadmin | ok, all bets are off then :) |
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| 00:27.46 | bardzusny | nsadmin: I think it ignores them during auto-configuration, i.e. it won't add eth0 as "wired interface" by itself if it's in interfaces |
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| 00:28.32 | LoveCityLife83 | exit |
| 00:28.34 | bardzusny | so we're both right, kinda |
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| 00:30.11 | jpinx | ok. done the edit, stopped wicd and iwlist is showing the WAPs |
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| 00:30.51 | jpinx | bardzusny: what does this prove? |
| 00:31.04 | bardzusny | jpinx: what? successful ifup? |
| 00:31.46 | peterrooney | networking for end-users on debian seems quite the mess |
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| 00:33.11 | jpinx | bardzusny: ifup gave.. DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.254 |
| 00:33.30 | bardzusny | jpinx: that's great! does internet work now? |
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| 00:33.52 | laptnovic | How to solve this?: https://pzt.me/6qgj@raw |
| 00:34.22 | jpinx | then SCIOCADDRTNo such address .. and.. Failed to bring up wlan0: |
| 00:34.35 | bardzusny | oops |
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| 00:35.18 | laptnovic | I have a error on evince, is this https://pzt.me/6qgj@raw anyone have the same error? |
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| 00:35.53 | bardzusny | I have to go, good luck jpinx |
| 00:35.57 | bardzusny | and goodnight everyone |
| 00:35.59 | jpinx | bardzusny: something is screwy in interfaces |
| 00:36.14 | jpinx | nsadmin: maybe you can help |
| 00:36.15 | bardzusny | if you got dhcpoffer, interfaces are fine |
| 00:36.20 | bardzusny | try static ips |
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| 00:36.36 | bardzusny | I think nsadmin will advise you further |
| 00:37.43 | laptnovic | Anyone have this error evince? https://pzt.me/6qgj@raw |
| 00:38.00 | laptnovic | evince is not work |
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| 00:38.11 | jpinx | nsadmin: interfaces is showing add default gateway 192.168.2.15 but wlan0 wants ..1. whatever ? |
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| 00:39.07 | jpinx | nsadmin: this might be a legacy of dicking about with a usb network between laptop and n900 phone |
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| 00:40.24 | jpinx | nsadmin: what is likely to be a default gw IP in ..1. ? |
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| 00:45.12 | nsadmin | sec, scrooling |
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| 00:48.51 | nsadmin | jpinx, plain networking suggests that your gateway needs to be in the same subnet as your mahcine |
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| 00:52.57 | jpinx | nsadmin: ok. got the network up and connected. but DNS seems to be dead |
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| 00:53.36 | jpinx | nsadmin: what's a suitable IP to ping to check? |
| 00:53.45 | dvs | 8.8.8.8 |
| 00:54.41 | jpinx | Destination host unreachable |
| 00:54.53 | snook | i always ping google.com |
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| 00:55.06 | daemon | dvs, google told me to tell you that there mad about you spreading them as a ping peer, they say there going to fill your porn results with large hairy german men ^ShrugS^ I have no idea what they mean |
| 00:55.11 | dvs | snook: What do you think that was? |
| 00:55.37 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:55.49 | daemon | :) joking dont worry |
| 00:55.58 | snook | lol. |
| 00:56.07 | nsadmin | jpinx, is there a version 4 ip address in the ifconfig wlan0? |
| 00:56.09 | snook | my porn results already have large hairy german men =) |
| 00:56.16 | jpinx | dvs: static dns servers by IP ? |
| 00:56.21 | daemon | snook, so wrong :P |
| 00:56.28 | dvs | jpinx: yup |
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| 00:56.50 | daemon | jpinx, yep 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.8.4.4(?) are two very fast static name resolvers provided bny google |
| 00:56.54 | seeker61 | what file and command line do i need to change to change my video drivers. i am using squeeze |
| 00:56.56 | daemon | 8.8.4.4* evenm |
| 00:57.32 | nsadmin | jpinx, that's the only thing that works (dns servers specified by numeric static IP) |
| 00:57.36 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:57.47 | nsadmin | what is it? |
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| 00:58.38 | nsadmin | well in resolv.conf anyway |
| 00:59.15 | jpinx | 192.168.1.1 same as I entered in static IPMs in wicd |
| 00:59.30 | nsadmin | what happens when you ping that address? |
| 00:59.49 | nsadmin | also what's the netmask? |
| 01:00.30 | nsadmin | brb |
| 01:00.40 | jpinx | mask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:01.26 | jpinx | and fast ping to that IP |
| 01:01.51 | nsadmin | ok, so if you add a gateway (default, that is) route thru that interface, the gateway -must- be in that subnet, aka, must start with 192.168.1 |
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| 01:02.50 | nsadmin | if it's not, you won't get out :) |
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| 01:05.16 | jpinx | nsadmin: gateway and IP are same |
| 01:05.41 | nsadmin | aha, that is likely a problem |
| 01:05.43 | factor | What is the process to reconfigure the mysql package |
| 01:06.08 | nsadmin | is the gateway a separate device? |
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| 01:06.11 | stew | factor: editor /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 01:06.40 | jpinx | nsadmin: not sure what you mean |
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| 01:07.08 | jpinx | nsadmin: I have a WAP and laptop |
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| 01:07.32 | nsadmin | jpinx, not sure which way to go... ok, what is the address of the wap right now? |
| 01:07.57 | nsadmin | I think it's likely the wap is your gateway |
| 01:08.02 | factor | stew:ok thanks. |
| 01:09.16 | nsadmin | jpinx when you tried to ping 192.168.1.1, |
| 01:09.19 | nsadmin | what happened? |
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| 01:09.34 | jpinx | nsadmin: fast ping ok |
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| 01:09.46 | nsadmin | so it worked |
| 01:09.56 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 01:10.34 | seeker61 | so how do i change video drivers? |
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| 01:10.43 | nsadmin | what's the address of your wap? |
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| 01:12.19 | jpinx | nsadmin: ok - I'm in :) the WAP was 192.168.1.254 and I gave myself 192.168.1.1 statically and 8.8.8.8 for dns |
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| 01:13.04 | jpinx | but something screwed wicd over when the laptop crashed and I will try a reinstall when I screw up the courage ;) |
| 01:13.10 | nsadmin | oh good :) so that's your gateway |
| 01:13.22 | jpinx | nsadmin: thanks for the help - you're always on it ;) |
| 01:13.26 | nsadmin | notice its address is in the subnet |
| 01:13.50 | nsadmin | I still don't know how to get thewicd going tho |
| 01:14.08 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - the subnet was possibly screwed by my usb networking which used ..2. |
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| 01:14.33 | jpinx | and it rewrote interfces :( |
| 01:14.53 | nsadmin | but anyway, you're welcome, and your setup right now may be fragile unless you put all that stuff in files and tested reboot etc etc |
| 01:15.07 | jpinx | nsadmin: I'll copy everything off so I can do it manually again amd then try the rinstall of wicd |
| 01:16.00 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - fragile is probably the right word - I will not cough till I get it done,, ;) |
| 01:16.05 | nsadmin | cool... hmm. you had a 192.168.2.* subnet? |
| 01:16.21 | d1zzY_ | http://pastebin.com/hrs1mk4E is this a common error in debian wheezy? |
| 01:16.33 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - the ..2. subnet was a usb connection to the n900 |
| 01:16.43 | nsadmin | d1zzY_, additional information source: |
| 01:16.46 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 01:16.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 01:17.07 | nsadmin | oic |
| 01:17.56 | jpinx | nsadmin: I need to work on networking so I can have the wifi working on auto through wicd while I mess with a usb network to the phone without upsetting wicd |
| 01:18.05 | nsadmin | jpinx, also notice that when you have the basics handled, things usually start working |
| 01:18.55 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - my excuse is that I do this so infrequently that I always forget what does what to what ;) |
| 01:19.15 | nsadmin | jpinx, so in the case of your phone... what thing does it connect to? |
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| 01:19.36 | nsadmin | jpinx, got the teeshirt from doing that |
| 01:20.05 | jpinx | nsadmin: the usb to phione networkis so that I can sshfs into it and see the whole filesystem |
| 01:20.43 | nsadmin | ok, cool... and, what do you usb-connect the phone to? |
| 01:20.47 | jpinx | nsadmin: ulimately I might need that usb network to carry internet traffic vis the phones simcard mobile gprs connection |
| 01:21.13 | jpinx | nsadmin: eeepc to n900 |
| 01:21.30 | nsadmin | is the eeepc have the wlan0 we were working on? |
| 01:21.51 | jpinx | nsadmin: I use a usb cable -- no bluetooth |
| 01:21.57 | mz|` | stop using fuse :'-( |
| 01:22.08 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - the eeepc is the "main" machine ;) |
| 01:24.07 | jpinx | nsadmin: I'm in UK atm and the wifi in this wouse is good, but when I travel I use the n900 mobile gprs connectionand I'll need to get that through the usb connection to the eeepc |
| 01:24.12 | nsadmin | ok, the way you'd provide "rest of internet" to the phone, is you would set up the eeepc as a gateway that routes traffic between the 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.* subnets |
| 01:24.47 | nsadmin | you'll probably need a handful of iptables rules for that |
| 01:25.21 | jpinx | nsadmin: other way around - I want to use the phone's internet and provide that to the eeepc |
| 01:25.24 | nsadmin | the one thing to remember before applying those rules, is keep the two interfaces and each subnet separate in your mined |
| 01:25.42 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:25.48 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - the subnet thing is good to keep things apart |
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| 01:26.50 | jpinx | nsadmin: I'm tryin to get a flexible system for extensive travelling where wifi is not often available and gprs on the phone is my only option |
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| 01:27.29 | nsadmin | in that case, you won't need the ap/etc so you would shut that interface on the eeepc down, then the eepc's default gateway would be to the phone |
| 01:28.16 | nsadmin | btw, two gateways configured is an exercise in frustration... only one gateway route. |
| 01:28.22 | jpinx | nsadmin: true . but the situation when I am travelling changes fast, so I just hash things out if needed |
| 01:29.10 | jpinx | nsadmin: only one gateway active - but other there ready to be swapped in |
| 01:29.20 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 01:30.14 | jpinx | nsadmin: I'll come back to it tomorrow - it's late here now 02.30am - sleep now - many thanks |
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| 01:30.49 | chaospsychex | hi |
| 01:33.17 | nsadmin | jpinx, np |
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| 01:36.30 | chaospsychex | the next stable release of debian is going to be 'wheezy' ? |
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| 01:37.05 | stew | chaospsychex: yes |
| 01:37.44 | chaospsychex | stew, any idea on when it will be released? Q1 2013 ? |
| 01:38.02 | chaospsychex | because if it's coming out in 2013, my god, i hope the mayans are WRONG.... |
| 01:38.12 | chaospsychex | ;-P |
| 01:38.15 | stew | chaospsychex: when the green line gets to near zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 01:39.18 | nsadmin | when will people realize the mayans just ran out of room?! |
| 01:39.35 | snook | the mayans didnt account for leap year |
| 01:39.49 | chaospsychex | nsadmin, we will find out in 6 months, regardless |
| 01:40.08 | nsadmin | and, they wrote on stone tablets... another round would have made it twice as heavy |
| 01:40.15 | chaospsychex | lol |
| 01:40.18 | chaospsychex | true |
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| 01:56.06 | ElTimo | I can't get torrents to start through rtgui. I'm at my wit's end. |
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| 01:56.27 | ElTimo | Well, not at my wit's end, but still incredibly pissed off. |
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| 02:11.11 | tarside | Who can tell me that how to create dbg package? For example: libevent-dbg. |
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| 02:13.51 | nsadmin | tarside, it may depend on the build system. is this a package you are the author of, or a package you want to rebuild? |
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| 02:15.10 | nsadmin | Sometimes package authors either build in ways to rebuild with debug symbols, and sometimes they use existing build systems that also have that ability |
| 02:15.31 | tarside | Yes, I want to re-build a new package. |
| 02:15.53 | nsadmin | out of existing debian sources? |
| 02:16.27 | nsadmin | that would make it a lot easier since the packaging is the infrastructure out of which you can build the package |
| 02:18.02 | nsadmin | the next helpful info is which package |
| 02:18.34 | nsadmin | also which version of that package and which release of debian |
| 02:19.13 | mmnicolas | LtL: just installed browser-plugin-gnash and now it doesn't complain about not having Adobe's flash, still doesn't play. Apparently mozplugger handled youtube through gnash |
| 02:19.49 | LtL | mmnicolas: not sure if i have that plugin. |
| 02:20.40 | tarside | I was doing: |
| 02:20.41 | tarside | 1. apt-get source libevent-dev |
| 02:20.43 | tarside | 2. apt-get build-dep libevent-dev |
| 02:20.44 | tarside | 3. todo something.... |
| 02:20.46 | tarside | 4. sudo dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:20.47 | tarside | But it is still a problem. |
| 02:21.47 | nsadmin | you can build as root, but you don't need to. there is a package called fakeroot that helps |
| 02:21.55 | nsadmin | I dont think that's your problem |
| 02:23.33 | nsadmin | policy specifies that binaries need to be stripped (remove debug symbols); if there is not arrangement for building as dbg, you're going to have to find out how not to strip the bins |
| 02:24.04 | nsadmin | also you would have to find out how to add -g to the compile flags |
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| 02:25.57 | tarside | Yes. |
| 02:25.59 | tarside | find Makefile.in -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -e grep -n -e "-I" |
| 02:26.00 | tarside | and -I replaced by -g -I |
| 02:26.40 | tarside | Thank you, I try again. |
| 02:26.56 | nsadmin | most likely the package uses debhelper, which is a collection of small tools (each with man page and) each doing a small and separate job in the building and packaging |
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| 02:27.15 | nsadmin | I think there might be a dh_strip |
| 02:28.57 | KsM | Whenever I have the volume high on my laptop, the disk led stay on for long periods of time, and something hogs up my disk I/O |
| 02:29.28 | KsM | iotop only shows "jdb2/sda6-8" sometimes using 99% cpu, but it's on and off |
| 02:30.04 | KsM | Could the speakers actually be making the disk r/w head go off track or what |
| 02:30.24 | KsM | Also kjournald sometimes pops up in iotop |
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| 02:33.56 | gnarface | KsM: you got your mic on too? |
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| 02:34.07 | KsM | uh |
| 02:34.16 | KsM | I think that's always on |
| 02:34.46 | KsM | how would anything possibly looping back affect it though |
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| 02:35.06 | KsM | Also it only seems to happen on full audio, just under that, it doesn't really affect it |
| 02:35.07 | KsM | very odd |
| 02:35.31 | gnarface | i'd try turning the mic off |
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| 02:36.30 | KsM | okay, also another thing: it only starts happening after about 3-4 minutes of playing music |
| 02:37.57 | gnarface | KsM: by music do you mean flash? |
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| 02:38.10 | KsM | it's still happening somewhat, and the mic is muted in alsamixer and turned to 0 |
| 02:38.15 | KsM | gnarface: no, mpd |
| 02:38.44 | nsadmin | hardwarewise, you want to check to see if your speakers are causing vibrations which could shake things loose |
| 02:39.17 | KsM | Well, they're the laptop's speakers |
| 02:39.48 | nsadmin | and another thing, you can rule out core hardware problems by running memtest86 for a few mins |
| 02:39.49 | KsM | gnarface: mic muted; still happening currently |
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| 02:40.25 | gnarface | KsM: by mpd you mean mp3? |
| 02:40.38 | KsM | gnarface: music player daemon |
| 02:40.48 | nsadmin | maybe some -very gentle- taps on the laptop while running the mem tester could tell you if there is anything loose |
| 02:40.48 | gnarface | KsM: could be a memory leak in whatever player you're using. tried to see if the same thing happens with a different player? |
| 02:40.58 | nsadmin | hopefully, none. worth a check. |
| 02:41.32 | KsM | it's using 0.4% of my ram, no swap, and weirdly about 20% of my cpu |
| 02:41.48 | gnarface | nsadmin: are you being facetious? |
| 02:41.52 | KsM | and I think the last time I was having this it was also with other programs, but the same music |
| 02:42.09 | KsM | erm, but only with the same/certain types |
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| 02:42.35 | KsM | basically anything that has rather more bass iirc |
| 02:43.03 | gnarface | KsM: did you try a different player yet? |
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| 02:43.53 | KsM | I said from the last time I tried that, which was a few months ago, it happened with the other players, but only with the same/certain types of music |
| 02:44.13 | KsM | I'm really just trying to get a list of any possibilities so that I can try later |
| 02:44.35 | KsM | also nsadmin if I install memtest from the repos, will it all just work |
| 02:44.36 | njbair | ack! running the net installer, when it got to the screen where you can select to install packages for different functions (mail server, file server, etc), I accidentally hit enter. Is there a way to get back to that later on after installation? |
| 02:44.39 | KsM | i.e. add it to my grub |
| 02:44.50 | nsadmin | ksm, yes it will |
| 02:44.55 | KsM | okay |
| 02:45.03 | nsadmin | gnarface: are you being in service? |
| 02:45.17 | KsM | njbair: you can just hunt down the packages you need for later |
| 02:45.32 | njbair | yeah I know |
| 02:45.43 | KsM | also, general question, has anyone ever done a net install and uh, not downloaded any of the packages |
| 02:45.56 | gnarface | KsM: sure i do it all the time |
| 02:46.06 | KsM | heh |
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| 02:46.25 | njbair | net install automatically downloads core packages right? |
| 02:46.26 | KsM | I did that for two reasons: didn't have the wireless drivers; minimal installs are nice |
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| 02:46.42 | juri_ | anyone here running a mirror, with current git ftpsync, and getting .~tmp~: permission denied (13) errors? |
| 02:46.48 | nsadmin | KsM, the net install contains the minimal debian (enough to install packages, enough to solve some core problems) |
| 02:47.44 | nsadmin | specifically, if you configure networking from the installer, it will get everything from the net... if not, it will get everything from the cd |
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| 02:48.42 | gnarface | yea if you don't select any packages at the end of a net install, assuming you still did do everything else on the list, you'll end up with a system that is still capable of booting and installing all the rest of the software, but little other than that |
| 02:49.04 | gnarface | last i checked it weighed in the neighborhood of 400MB |
| 02:49.34 | gnarface | (for amd64... i386 and armel might be a bit smaller) |
| 02:49.54 | nsadmin | juri_, tmp? could you show ls -ld /tmp |
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| 02:50.28 | KsM | Also, I installed the 32 bit on my 64bit laptop |
| 02:50.33 | KsM | anything wrong with that? |
| 02:50.37 | juri_ | drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 80 Jun 17 03:50 /tmp |
| 02:50.38 | gnarface | not really |
| 02:50.46 | nsadmin | nope, nothign wrong with that |
| 02:50.53 | KsM | It has 4gb ram, but it's shared with the gpu, so I don't think I'm missing any of it |
| 02:51.02 | juri_ | nsadmin: i doubt its talking about real /tmp. its trying to create .~tmp~ directories all over my mirror. |
| 02:51.03 | nsadmin | juri_, hmm, that's not the problem |
| 02:51.08 | juri_ | and somehow, failing. |
| 02:51.16 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 02:51.32 | gnarface | KsM: there are certain things that will perform slower with amd64, and certain things that will perform faster, but you're not likely to be doing a lot of any of the ones that will perform a LOT faster, because most of that still excludes every video game ever made |
| 02:51.34 | nsadmin | look at the dirs it's trying to create in |
| 02:51.48 | nsadmin | and where it was successful, look at the thing it created |
| 02:51.56 | gnarface | KsM: er, a lot faster OR slower, really |
| 02:52.34 | gnarface | KsM: in past years it was a good idea to chose i386 because it was better tested generally but lately i'm not sure that's true for every hardware configuration |
| 02:52.34 | juri_ | its not successful, anywhere. |
| 02:52.41 | juri_ | or rather, it creates them, but cannot open them? |
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| 02:53.39 | juri_ | right. it creates them (as ftpuser.nogroup), but cannot open them. |
| 02:53.48 | KsM | also, if I compiled my kernel into a .deb, is there an easier way to patch it than recompiling it all? |
| 02:54.24 | nsadmin | KsM, as far as the memtest, hopefully it will be a clean bill of health... in that case, it goes to peace of mind |
| 02:54.47 | gnarface | KsM: easier... i doubt it. less time consuming? sure but not safely and not that i can walk you through off the top of my head |
| 02:55.12 | nsadmin | KsM, no, you would have to completely rebuild if you patch. further, you may need to build any external modules again |
| 02:55.30 | KsM | do people actually do that |
| 02:55.36 | nsadmin | suire |
| 02:56.00 | KsM | god damn, what do they do, know every single thing for their machine and build only that |
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| 02:56.05 | nsadmin | if they have specific needs, or if they just want to for whatever reason |
| 02:56.10 | gnarface | KsM: once you have a few extra CPU cores in your system it doesn't take all that long to build a kernel anymoire |
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| 02:56.20 | KsM | it takes roughly 4 hours on my laptop |
| 02:56.31 | juri_ | Argh. |
| 02:56.34 | juri_ | nevermind. found it. |
| 02:56.37 | gnarface | KsM: ouch. old hardware? |
| 02:56.38 | juri_ | Wrong Script. |
| 02:57.09 | KsM | gnarface: is a dual core p6200 @2.1ghz old? |
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| 02:57.18 | gnarface | KsM: yea |
| 02:57.23 | gnarface | KsM: or at least slow |
| 02:57.25 | KsM | for a laptop? |
| 02:57.29 | gnarface | KsM: yea |
| 02:57.39 | gnarface | KsM: not say, 4 years ago but now, yea |
| 02:58.00 | gnarface | KsM: try this though: when you run "make" run "make -j2" instead |
| 02:58.02 | KsM | for a laptop that you can actually put on your lap? |
| 02:58.04 | nsadmin | KsM, yes, that can be the case. alternatively, you can use the existing config, which has most drivers modulized. if you do that, the complementary thing to do would be to add --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 02:58.09 | KsM | and I do you -j2 |
| 02:58.36 | KsM | well, I put it in the shell variables, because that's how it works with make-kpkg |
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| 02:58.56 | KsM | export COCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 |
| 02:58.58 | KsM | or something like that |
| 02:58.59 | gnarface | KsM: how much ram? |
| 02:59.13 | KsM | 4gb, some shared with the gpu, end up with 3747mb |
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| 02:59.42 | KsM | I rarely ever go over 1gb though, not counting the ram cache |
| 02:59.44 | gnarface | KsM: that's plenty, i dunno maybe the amd64 port would compile stuff faster. i'd be curious to find out |
| 03:00.00 | KsM | by the way, is there a way to limit that, the ram cache? |
| 03:00.20 | gnarface | probably something with /proc |
| 03:00.26 | KsM | it just annoys me to see 3/4 of my ram filled with orange in htop |
| 03:00.27 | gnarface | i don't know that stuff as well |
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| 03:00.55 | KsM | anyway, I'm going to reboot |
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| 03:24.33 | KsM | nsadmin: my ram checked out perfectly okay |
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| 03:24.40 | lolufail | hi! |
| 03:25.24 | KsM | nsadmin: Ironic thing though: my dad pointed out that vibration from the speaksers might be tripping up the hdd's accelerometers to slow it down |
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| 03:26.04 | KsM | Ironic because until his laptop accidentally fell down the stairs once, he didn't believe me any at all that many modern laptops have accelerometers that could slow/stop the hard drive |
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| 03:28.40 | lolufail | I'm trying to write a initscript-wrapper for greasyspoon (has its own script), but after calling the script, I get syntax errors, even though both is sh... "Stopping greasyspoon..../greasyspoon: 103: [: 0: unexpected operator" |
| 03:28.41 | lolufail | I marked line 103 with "<<<<<<<<<<<<"... any ideas? http://pastebin.com/NCXCvdDk |
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| 03:30.26 | lolufail | it works if execute it directly btw |
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| 03:39.10 | sney | lolufail, try with full paths instead of relative ones. also note that Debian uses a different shell, dash, for /bin/sh; it's not just symlinked to bash like on some other distros |
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| 03:39.30 | KsM | symlinks /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 03:39.38 | lolufail | yeah, I fixed it a second ago with: sudo -u $USER /bin/bash $EXECUTABLE $1 |
| 03:40.02 | lolufail | but the script specifies /bin/sh |
| 03:40.25 | lolufail | and also the nginx initscript has the same if [ ] syntax and also specifies /bin/sh.. why does that work? |
| 03:40.38 | sney | shrug |
| 03:40.41 | sney | ask the nginx maintainer |
| 03:40.52 | sney | but it's just stuff to keep in mind when you're shell scripting on debian |
| 03:41.01 | lolufail | ok, thanks! |
| 03:41.12 | gnarface | i think that's an option anyway, the dash thing... |
| 03:41.13 | nightfrog | I have inetd handling my auth (identd) needs like I did in FreeBSD. In FreeBSD a user could use a file ~/.fakeid to fake the ident response and this is not working in Debian. The auth line in the inetd.conf was different then in FreeBSD so I am assuming the ~/.fakeid is different as well. Does anyone know what it is? |
| 03:41.38 | gnarface | like, dpkg-reconfigure something i think gives you an option to switch back from running system scripts with dash |
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| 03:41.49 | sney | gnarface, afaik it's the default as of squeeze to have dash, but you might be able to toggle it with update-alternatives |
| 03:41.59 | nightfrog | I don't need people on IRC knowing my real user login |
| 03:42.02 | sney | I know rpm distros just symlink bash so anything ported from there might behave strangely with dash |
| 03:43.43 | lolufail | hmm alot of the initscripts have /bin/sh and also that if [] syntax :D weird |
| 03:44.10 | sney | they probably have full paths and certainly aren't calling anything in /opt, which is a part of the fhs that hardly anything knows how to handle |
| 03:44.25 | nsadmin | KsM, good to know :) |
| 03:45.03 | KsM | erm, to what are you responding nsadmin |
| 03:46.03 | nsadmin | KsM, that your ram checks out... that also tells you cpu, mobo and video are good |
| 03:46.55 | lolufail | is there a difference between "su $user -c something" and "sudu -u $user something" ? |
| 03:46.58 | KsM | oh, okay, what do you thing about it being an accelerometer issue? |
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| 03:47.07 | lolufail | as root. |
| 03:48.06 | jagginess | KsM, i'm not sure if sh should be linked to bash should it... /bin/sh isnt a full bash |
| 03:48.45 | lolufail | but bash is a full sh |
| 03:49.02 | KsM | I think I did that to ubuntu and everything worked fine, jagginess |
| 03:49.07 | nsadmin | I don;'t know enough about how these accelerometers |
| 03:49.12 | nsadmin | would be used |
| 03:49.12 | jagginess | nightfrog, your username is actually portfrog |
| 03:49.17 | KsM | I haven't had a need to do it in debian, because no real problems |
| 03:49.41 | KsM | Ironic that I've had less problems in debian than ubuntu, and ubuntu is supposed to be more user friendly |
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| 03:50.57 | lolufail | a friend perlscripted a anti-thievery-alarm for his accelerometer in his thinkpad |
| 03:51.15 | lolufail | and we placed his laptop on ours :D |
| 03:51.18 | lolufail | worked like a charm |
| 03:51.36 | nightfrog | jagginess: Not on this client. I know what it is on this. |
| 03:52.00 | jagginess | jagginess, so what is it, dayfrog? |
| 03:52.13 | jagginess | omg i lost track of ribbet |
| 03:52.18 | jagginess | ehhehe |
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| 03:53.09 | jagginess | nightfrog, it's ok I think you must get advice from Nick Burns from snl |
| 03:53.29 | nightfrog | I have no idea who that is. I hate snl |
| 03:54.04 | jagginess | nightfrog, ribbet |
| 03:54.42 | jagginess | thinks he sees nightfrog's root password |
| 03:54.52 | nightfrog | That show stopped being funny in the early 80's and came back for a little in the 90's and is at its all time lowest right now. |
| 03:55.07 | nightfrog | jagginess: Cookie for. |
| 03:55.20 | nightfrog | jagginess: Cookie for you. |
| 03:55.42 | jagginess | I never watched snl on tv.. but I've seen nick burns on the web.. and it's funny. but apparently you hate everything. ribbet. |
| 03:55.54 | jagginess | lol |
| 03:56.02 | jagginess | cookie monster comes to eat you |
| 03:56.05 | jagginess | watch out1 |
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| 04:31.44 | nightfrog | jagginess: Nope. Just Saturday Night Live. |
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| 04:33.23 | Viking667 | 'llo all. Where does squeeze store files from libopenal1? I know wheezy stores them in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/, but wanted to know about earlier versions of Debian. |
| 04:36.08 | jagginess | Viking667, google debian reference card pdf |
| 04:36.22 | jagginess | Viking667, dpkg -L <lalala> |
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| 04:36.38 | alfplayer | and it's on the packages site |
| 04:38.44 | Viking667 | jagginess: I'm on wheezy, I can't check out squeeze because I don't have it installed. |
| 04:38.55 | Viking667 | uhm, packages site? |
| 04:39.22 | Viking667 | If I'm at an ftp mirror, do I just drop into pool/ instead? |
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| 04:41.02 | Kripos | Hmmn. |
| 04:41.06 | Kripos | I might like it here. |
| 04:41.56 | alfplayer | Viking667: packages.debian.org |
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| 04:42.54 | alfplayer | you search for the package name, and then click [list of files] |
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| 04:44.18 | Viking667 | ah. Sorry, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you. |
| 04:44.31 | alfplayer | you're welcome |
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| 04:46.47 | Viking667 | uhm, that search function doesn't seem to be of much use to me. I get 0 hits for openal-soft, and one irrelevant hit for libopenal1 |
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| 04:47.18 | Viking667 | However, it seems that PEBKAC has struck again. |
| 04:47.29 | alfplayer | openal-soft? what's that? |
| 04:47.32 | Viking667 | I shall extend the search to the darn packages like I was told to initially. |
| 04:47.56 | Viking667 | it's the source name of what provides the libopenal1 library. |
| 04:48.18 | alfplayer | if you input "libopenal1" you get the package |
| 04:48.26 | alfplayer | that's the package name |
| 04:49.12 | alfplayer | you input the package name under "Search package directories" |
| 04:49.21 | Viking667 | Yes, once I elected to search in packages, that is indeed what I got. |
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| 04:50.20 | Viking667 | And it looks like I've found out where Ubuntu 12.04 has got its libopenal1 package from. |
| 04:50.57 | alfplayer | you get libopenal1 and libopenal1-dbg, you click the first one and then [list of files] |
| 04:51.03 | Viking667 | mmm. I know. |
| 04:51.10 | G0d-servant | Hi, what is "%s" in this command: x-terminal-emulator %s |
| 04:51.49 | alfplayer | G0d-servant: the command arguments |
| 04:51.49 | Viking667 | squeeze filelist shows files for libopenal1 in /usr/lib, but wheezy and sid have moved them into /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
| 04:52.05 | Viking667 | I'm just about to check the amd64 version now. |
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| 04:53.41 | voove111 | hallo ich brauch mal hilfe, hab mein debian als homeserver eingerichtet auf nem usb stick installiert und das ganze läuft erbärmlich langsam. der stick hat ne lesegeschwindigkeit von 30mb/s, das sollte doch klappen. vielleicht kann mir da ja jemand helfen. |
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| 04:53.44 | G0d-servant | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.21 | alfplayer | OK |
| 04:55.18 | alfplayer | voove111: german language is not used here |
| 04:55.54 | voove111 | sorry ... i'll translate |
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| 04:56.57 | voove111 | hello, need some help. i've setup my debian on an usb-stick. it runs terribly slow. stick should read with 30mb/s, should work, shouldn't it? maybe someone could help me |
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| 05:07.23 | raptor67682 | how to backup a 4gb cf disk the most wisely / best way with debian ? (fast and accurate) |
| 05:09.07 | voove111 | raptor67682: cf to image? |
| 05:09.16 | homes | whats on the disk? |
| 05:09.19 | homes | photos? |
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| 05:14.47 | dan408 | hi |
| 05:14.52 | dan408 | just installed debian6 off cd iso |
| 05:15.03 | dan408 | when i do apt-get install make it asks for binary cd |
| 05:15.05 | dan408 | now what? |
| 05:19.10 | nevyn | configure apt with a network source |
| 05:19.19 | nevyn | and remove the cd iso source |
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| 05:20.40 | Viking667 | departs |
| 05:20.44 | Viking667 | thanks, folks. |
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| 05:21.09 | dan408 | nevyn: yes, i figured that much, you got a link to a doc to do that? |
| 05:21.20 | nmschulte | Hi all! I'm trying to setup an rsh server on my laptop for downloading a file via rcp to a piece of Cisco gear. It appears the Cisco gear doesn't send a password; the rcp command on Squeeze is provided by scp. Any ideas how I can make this work? |
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| 05:21.41 | nevyn | dan408: should be install guide |
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| 05:26.19 | dan408 | nevyn: got it. |
| 05:26.29 | dan408 | nevyn: why doesn't the cd installer automagically do this? |
| 05:27.26 | nevyn | dan408: disconnected operation |
| 05:28.24 | dan408 | meh |
| 05:28.50 | dan408 | i'll avoid the semantic discussion, thanks. |
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| 05:33.17 | nevyn | ie. installing and using debian on a system not connected to the internet |
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| 05:34.53 | bfig | hello, i'm having trouble with my internet connection. for some reason i can't access webpages, but i can do irc fine |
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| 05:40.14 | bfig | i'm capturing with wireshark and following the tcp stream of a http get... it seems to send it fine, but it doesn't get anything back |
| 05:41.35 | JasonWoof | I just did an update with aptitude (unstable) and now the kerning (letter spacing) of new rxvt windows is too big (looks like an extra pixel column between each character cell) |
| 05:41.39 | JasonWoof | how can I get it back? |
| 05:41.45 | dan408 | nevyn: the i.e. was not necessary. i got it the first time. |
| 05:42.06 | JasonWoof | I checked several telltale characters, and it appears to be the same font. |
| 05:42.42 | JasonWoof | I've got this in my .Xresources: URxvt*font:xft:Liberation Mono:pixelsize=14 |
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| 05:43.21 | jmd | How do I configure my keyboard (permanently, not just for the session)? |
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| 05:49.35 | JasonWoof | jmd: when do you want the new keyboard to start? |
| 05:49.45 | JasonWoof | jmd: after you log into gnome/kde/something? |
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| 05:49.59 | JasonWoof | jmd: at the (text) terminal? |
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| 05:50.44 | JasonWoof | jmd: sorry if you said already, I just got here. are you changing layout or just certain keys? |
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| 06:00.12 | SomeoneWeird | So i'm trying to get bluetooth working, i've installed 'bluetooth' and bluedevil, but it can't seem to find my adapter |
| 06:00.20 | SomeoneWeird | using a laptop so its inbuilt |
| 06:00.24 | SomeoneWeird | can anyone help? :S |
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| 06:03.45 | lupintheethird | is there anyone here who could help me setup playstation media server? |
| 06:04.46 | dan408 | isnt that a windows program? |
| 06:04.54 | lupintheethird | no it works on linux |
| 06:05.03 | lupintheethird | well its both |
| 06:05.39 | lupintheethird | it goes to install and it tells me i dont have deb-multimedia-keyring |
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| 06:08.11 | SomeoneWeird | lupintheethird, so install it? |
| 06:08.45 | lupintheethird | tried to says unable to locate package |
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| 06:11.06 | SomeoneWeird | so can anyone help me with my problem? |
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| 06:18.00 | p_quarles | SomeoneWeird: Windows 7? |
| 06:18.13 | SomeoneWeird | ? |
| 06:18.29 | p_quarles | SomeoneWeird: sorry, mistook which channel I was in; my bad |
| 06:18.43 | SomeoneWeird | >.< |
| 06:19.07 | amphi | SomeoneWeird: lsusb doesn't show it? |
| 06:19.43 | SomeoneWeird | nop |
| 06:20.04 | SomeoneWeird | well, theres |
| 06:20.05 | SomeoneWeird | "Bus 002 Device 004: ID 5986:0343 Acer, Inc " |
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| 06:20.11 | SomeoneWeird | but i have no idea what that is |
| 06:20.25 | SomeoneWeird | oh, webca |
| 06:20.26 | SomeoneWeird | m |
| 06:20.28 | SomeoneWeird | so yer, no bluetooth |
| 06:23.52 | nevyn | it's not pci? |
| 06:24.16 | SomeoneWeird | not sure, but doesn't show up when running lspci either |
| 06:24.33 | SomeoneWeird | as i said its an internal adapter, so i'm not sure what model etc it is |
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| 06:24.51 | nevyn | are you sure it's on? |
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| 06:25.32 | SomeoneWeird | well, theres a function combination to enable/disable it and i've hit it a couple times, nothings come up in lspci/usb |
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| 06:27.13 | amphi_ | SomeoneWeird: how do you know that combo does anything under linux? ;) |
| 06:27.50 | SomeoneWeird | exactly, im not sure, but some of the other function keys work |
| 06:27.56 | razvand | Hi! I'm using Debian Wheezey on AMD64, Gnome 3.4, flashplugin-nonfree 2.8.3. Flash is working on Iceweasel and Midori but not on Epiphany. Any idea why? |
| 06:28.00 | SomeoneWeird | is there another way to enable it? |
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| 06:28.57 | amphi_ | have a look under /sys/class/rfkill |
| 06:29.14 | SomeoneWeird | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun 17 15:55 rfkill0 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:07:00.0/ieee80211/phy0/rfkill0 |
| 06:29.19 | SomeoneWeird | hm |
| 06:30.18 | amphi_ | on mine, it's rfkill0 - echo-ing 1 > rfkill0/state enables it, echo-ing 0 disables it |
| 06:30.47 | amphi_ | rfkillN/name should give a clue as to the device |
| 06:31.22 | SomeoneWeird | sudo echo 1 > rfkill0/state |
| 06:31.23 | SomeoneWeird | bash: rfkill0/state: Permission denied |
| 06:31.24 | amphi_ | you only have rfkill0? that is obviously the wifi card |
| 06:31.31 | SomeoneWeird | ah |
| 06:31.36 | SomeoneWeird | yeah, only 1 |
| 06:32.20 | amphi_ | bah |
| 06:32.29 | SomeoneWeird | :( |
| 06:32.47 | amphi_ | !laptop |
| 06:32.47 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 06:33.00 | SomeoneWeird | i can boot into windows and try and find the model # |
| 06:33.02 | SomeoneWeird | hm |
| 06:33.29 | amphi_ | I'd see if you can find info about your model on those first two sites |
| 06:33.47 | SomeoneWeird | ftp://service.pioneer.net.au/Drivers/W76C/Vista&7/ |
| 06:33.55 | SomeoneWeird | those are the drivers they give out, can't see a bluetooth one though |
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| 06:35.32 | Guest9850 | hi |
| 06:37.18 | SomeoneWeird | amphi_, nothing on those sites that i can see |
| 06:37.47 | amphi_ | didja google your model + bt + linux? |
| 06:39.13 | SomeoneWeird | yer, nothing |
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| 06:41.21 | amphi_ | perhaps it doesn't have it ;) |
| 06:41.27 | SomeoneWeird | -.- |
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| 06:46.03 | Loosi | good morning |
| 06:46.29 | SomeoneWeird | amphi_, so any idea? ahah |
| 06:46.47 | amphi_ | ahah? |
| 06:47.22 | SomeoneWeird | ? |
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| 06:58.57 | Loosi | maybe someone can help me how to geht the capture card (STK1160 chip) running? hw-info: http://pastebin.com/Udc06VNV |
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| 07:08.12 | JasonWoof | oh! sweet. urxvt will tighten up the kerning when I pass -letsp -1 |
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| 07:09.56 | JasonWoof | +1 rxvt! now my calendar fits in my terminal again |
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| 07:51.15 | SachinDey | Can someone tell me how i can read documentation of a package that installs "package-doc" ? |
| 07:51.56 | EmleyMoor | SachinDey: Try looking in /usr/share/doc/package |
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| 07:54.16 | SachinDey | EmleyMoor: Thank You I just found i didn't check for package-doc in the doc folder |
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| 08:21.19 | amee2k | mmh where does the archive website have the ISO images? |
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| 08:45.50 | JoeHazzers | should i be at all worried around the error messages (missing firmwares etc. etc.) i get when loading the initramfs? |
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| 08:55.58 | homes | JoeHazzers: if that was the only problem, no, i wouldn't b |
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| 08:57.20 | JoeHazzers | homes: nah, it's the only thing that happens |
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| 09:02.32 | N-I-L | aloha |
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| 09:12.22 | N-I-L | has anyone else tried to run a minimal LAMPP server using xampp here? |
| 09:12.43 | N-I-L | minimal devel server even |
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| 09:14.17 | faustinparis | Is anyone here familiar with configuring Samba encryption? I just setup samba on a server and have a share mounted on another machine using smbfs. The only problem is that it seems like only authentication is being encrypted... I'm seeing unencrypted tcpstreams in wireshark. |
| 09:15.10 | project2501a | hmmm. what are the event modules in d-i, please? i googled for "debian installer event modules" but no resonable explanation came up, only the appropriate packages on packages.debian.org . |
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| 09:18.12 | N-I-L | faustinparis, what are your iptables looking like? |
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| 09:18.44 | faustinparis | hold on lemme double check that |
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| 09:20.56 | Trewas | faustinparis: there is no protocol level support for encryption in samba |
| 09:21.13 | faustinparis | Trewas: wait srsly? |
| 09:21.46 | faustinparis | Trewas: no way to ntlmv2? |
| 09:22.10 | faustinparis | N-I-L: yeah everything that needs to be is open |
| 09:22.31 | Trewas | faustinparis: isn't that only for authentication? |
| 09:22.35 | N-I-L | just a thought |
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| 09:23.59 | faustinparis | Trewas: hmmm oh i guess you're right. but yeah never saw pcaps like this when monitoring windows 2 windows machines. |
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| 09:31.42 | faustinparis | Trewas: Trewas: looks like stunnel might be a potential solution. thanks for shifting the direction of my googles at least |
| 09:31.58 | BarthezZ | asdf |
| 09:32.04 | BarthezZ | oops |
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| 10:10.10 | Guest33249 | Hi im lookingto install torbuttn on iceweasel 12 anyone know a way is doing it? iceweasel says its incompatable |
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| 10:10.32 | Guest33249 | any help would bemost appreciated |
| 10:11.01 | KsM | torbutton is somewhat defunct now, download the "tor browser bundle" |
| 10:11.30 | Guest33249 | does that have a torbutton equivalent for fast switching on your browser? |
| 10:12.30 | KsM | Yes, but it's built in since apparently the torbutton addon or whatever it was seemed to cause lots of breakage/bugs/etc |
| 10:12.35 | KsM | If I recall correctly |
| 10:13.13 | Guest33249 | stupid question but why isnt the browser bundle in aptitude |
| 10:13.29 | Guest33249 | rather new to this |
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| 10:15.59 | bardzusny | Guest33249: it's because it would be duplicating much of firefox (or rather iceweasel) code |
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| 10:16.38 | bardzusny | Guest33249: torbutton on 'normal' firefox is no longer supported, get browser bundles from torproject.org, you may also have some luck with unofficial repos |
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| 10:20.21 | Guest33249 | ok thanks for your help KsM, bardzusny |
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| 10:25.11 | Guest33249 | is Iceweasel 12.0 the latest version? |
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| 10:25.34 | Guest33249 | stable version |
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| 10:25.58 | gnugr | ,v iceweasel |
| 10:25.59 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.5esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-1; experimental: 13.0.1-1 |
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| 10:28.50 | Torc____ | hello |
| 10:29.10 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 10:29.16 | Torc____ | :) |
| 10:29.27 | nsadmin | says tiredly |
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| 10:47.25 | drathir | maybe there anybody know why psad detect nmap attack on ports 44608-46762? what can belong this port,amd why someone want to scann it? |
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| 10:50.02 | bardzusny | haha, I'm using iceweasel 10? |
| 10:51.41 | bardzusny | I think I just got reason to snuck in experimental |
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| 11:08.29 | witheld | Is there like, a metapackage of common fonts? Normal stuff like Impact, liberation serif |
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| 11:12.04 | bardzusny | witheld: Impact is in ttf-mscorefonts-installer, non-free though |
| 11:12.41 | bardzusny | also, check fonts-liberation package |
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| 11:18.04 | amee2k | i'm installing a new box with the (non-graphical) netinst installer and the "select and install software" step froze up. switching to terminal 4 shows a lot of package names and "in-target: to you want to proceed? to continue enter Yes:" |
| 11:18.34 | amee2k | where do i have to enter the "yes" to get the apt process continue?? |
| 11:18.46 | amee2k | entering it into vt1 didn't seem to work |
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| 11:20.07 | crculver | Where can I read about Debian's policy for switching kernel versions? I'm surprised that even unstable still offers nothing later than 3.2 |
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| 11:20.43 | tremon | crculver: 3.2 is the kernel for the next release, there won't be a new kernel until after the wheezy release |
| 11:20.45 | KsM | You download the kernel you want and compile it yourself |
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| 11:20.59 | Black_Prince | policy is not to break anything badly ... which 3.4 could possibly do |
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| 11:21.33 | amee2k | any ideas? |
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| 11:22.52 | themill | crculver: newer kernels are in experimental |
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| 11:27.23 | crculver | OK, now I understand, thanks themill, tremon and Black_Prince |
| 11:27.37 | bardzusny | amee2k: stable? |
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| 11:29.37 | amee2k | bardzusny: the old stable |
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| 11:30.20 | amee2k | trying to work around it by disabling the network mirror and just finishing the install with the CD |
| 11:30.21 | tremon | amee2k: you're trying to install lenny? |
| 11:30.27 | amee2k | exactly that one |
| 11:30.53 | bardzusny | amee2k: it's obsolete, install squeeze |
| 11:31.15 | amee2k | i had that on before |
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| 11:45.29 | drathir | anyway is newest version psad on site than debian 7 repository... |
| 11:46.08 | raptor67782 | question. could DILLO be back in our stable distro? |
| 11:46.21 | raptor67782 | (for old Pc, I have squeeze and twm) |
| 11:47.03 | themill | raptor67782: dillo is currently in wheezy which will be the next stable |
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| 11:47.41 | raptor67782 | themill: hurra. debian now re - support the old crap PC's ? |
| 11:47.52 | raptor67782 | themill: thank you debian |
| 11:48.08 | themill | raptor67782: dillo would have been in squeeze if it weren't broken at the time of the squeeze release |
| 11:48.40 | raptor67782 | themill: this is so amazing that dillo still exists in debian. usually most distro forget the old pc's |
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| 11:51.44 | biju | hi, does anyone know why testing installs python-2.6 as a dep for pip when I already have 2.7 installed? please ty |
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| 11:53.02 | Grotesque | Debian GNU/Linux - Unknown - Who can check this? http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/649219 |
| 11:54.31 | themill | Grotesque: looking things up by CVE is easiest -- http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-0217 |
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| 11:55.01 | Grotesque | thanks |
| 11:55.52 | tremon | lol... "also affected the linux kernel, and was fixed 6 years earlier as CVE-2006-0744" |
| 11:56.22 | themill | yeah, I did like that. |
| 11:57.37 | tremon | biju: apt-cache show python-pip/testing | grep Depends |
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| 11:59.05 | biju | tremon: yea , odd that it now depends explicitely on 2.6 |
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| 12:00.48 | biju | tremon: should I go ahead with the update on testing anyways? will the packages installed using pip continue to work with the installed 2.7? |
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| 12:02.11 | tremon | biju: I thought the whole point of pip was to create an OS-independent python environment? |
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| 12:04.08 | biju | tremon: heh but the implementation isn't very good, is it? |
| 12:04.09 | themill | biju: the python-pip package is providing both pip-2.6 and pip-2.7. I doubt you'll realistically be able to have a wheezy system without python2.6 on it. |
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| 12:04.41 | tremon | biju: wouldn't know, my experience with python is very limited :) |
| 12:04.50 | tremon | just try it and find out for yourself |
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| 12:07.39 | trysten | hey tremon! remember that vim command you gave me recently? i forgot the last ctrl sequence >.> it was for reading some file into the current file |
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| 12:08.55 | stew | :r somefile |
| 12:09.03 | tremon | :r ^r" (ctrl-r double quote) |
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| 12:09.55 | N-I-L | :read somefile |
| 12:09.59 | N-I-L | dos that work? |
| 12:10.06 | N-I-L | does* |
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| 12:11.49 | trysten | N-I-L: yes. but i was looking for ^r" which is a particularly contrived command :D i couldn't find it! |
| 12:12.12 | tremon | trysten: :help registers |
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| 12:13.55 | N-I-L | trysten, gotcha |
| 12:14.23 | tremon | hmm never mind... the registers help doesn't mention ^r for register recall... |
| 12:14.36 | N-I-L | illusive |
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| 12:16.52 | computer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.06 | computer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.21 | amee2k | ... |
| 12:17.32 | trysten | wut |
| 12:17.43 | mekeor | should i click on it? hmm… |
| 12:17.52 | amee2k | not really |
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| 12:18.01 | amee2k | i don't think you'd miss out on much :P |
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| 12:18.31 | mekeor | okay. |
| 12:18.33 | amee2k | does aptitude have a stronger for of -y/--assume-yes that entirely eliminates ANY interactive requests? |
| 12:19.00 | themill | amee2k: what questions is that not answering? |
| 12:19.16 | stew | probably debconf |
| 12:19.26 | amee2k | themill: ? |
| 12:19.30 | themill | or trust questions |
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| 12:19.51 | themill | amee2k: your question implies that there is interaction that -y is not preventing. What is it? |
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| 12:20.31 | amee2k | "To continue, enter Yes:" |
| 12:20.32 | amee2k | >_< |
| 12:20.43 | gnarface | do it! |
| 12:20.48 | gnarface | do it now! |
| 12:20.55 | themill | amee2k: you need to help yourself here. |
| 12:21.02 | amee2k | ... |
| 12:21.19 | themill | amee2k: I can guarantee that is not the only thing that aptitude has said |
| 12:21.44 | amee2k | it wasn't, but i'd like to solve the problem that i stated, not several others that are intentional |
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| 12:22.03 | themill | gives up |
| 12:22.23 | engla | can't be hard |
| 12:24.44 | tremon | amee2k: you're probably looking for -o dpkg::options=--force-all, and there are many reasons why you should not want that |
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| 12:26.32 | stew | i doubt that's wha he's looking for |
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| 12:29.59 | bardzusny | amee2k: why lenny? |
| 12:30.04 | nsadmin | he just wants the installer to work normally |
| 12:30.35 | bardzusny | amee2k: keep in mind lenny packages are not on "normal" mirrors anymore, only on archive.debian.org |
| 12:30.44 | nsadmin | iiuc, machine is old hardware |
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| 12:31.02 | nsadmin | that too |
| 12:31.42 | nsadmin | doesn't the questions mean has the debconf level high? |
| 12:32.06 | nsadmin | s/mean has/mean he has/ |
| 12:32.38 | themill | we'll never know. |
| 12:32.41 | stew | how would we know, if he won't tell us what question |
| 12:32.57 | nsadmin | good point... |
| 12:33.12 | nsadmin | amee2k, well? |
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| 12:34.47 | nsadmin | your point is upgraded to "really good" as he's not responding |
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| 12:38.23 | Mogget | Hey guys: I wish to use a binary compiled from source and put the required libraries in my home folder ~/lib. It does not work just by putting things in this folder, any ideas how I can make this work? |
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| 12:38.41 | Morgawr | hello, I'm trying to upgrade my system (wheezy) and dpkg says that there's an error with libc6:i386 (I am using x86_64 but I need 32bit libraries for compatibility) |
| 12:38.46 | Morgawr | dpkg: error: --configure needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance |
| 12:38.47 | dpkg | Morgawr: that's too long |
| 12:38.55 | Morgawr | that's the error I get |
| 12:39.17 | tremon | Morgawr: never argue with a bot |
| 12:39.24 | Morgawr | how can I fix this please? |
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| 12:39.48 | themill | Morgawr: you appear to have enabled multiarch in dpkg but don't have a multiarch capable apt |
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| 12:40.24 | nsadmin | Mogget, what dir are the libs in? |
| 12:41.03 | Mogget | nsadmin: the libs i wish to use are in ~/lib |
| 12:41.08 | Morgawr | themill: I'm trying with aptitude now |
| 12:41.13 | bardzusny | /usr/local/lib/? |
| 12:41.15 | Morgawr | seems to be kinda working.. I don't know |
| 12:41.21 | nsadmin | oh, reread and got it... try: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/lib |
| 12:41.23 | stew | Morgawr: what version of dpkg is installed? |
| 12:41.28 | amee2k | stew: well, the problem is that aptitude keeps asking about unauthenticated packages, but if i said that out loud everyone would start b*tching about security stuff again. and security is like a negative priority since after the set-up this box won't even have a route "out" anymore |
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| 12:41.31 | nsadmin | then run it |
| 12:41.34 | tremon | Morgawr: you need to make sure apt and dpkg are both fully up-to-date |
| 12:42.07 | stew | amee2k: that's fine, I'll leave you alone |
| 12:42.12 | themill | amee2k: oh look... something we can work with now. man aptitude tells you how to prevent that. Also, just upgrade to squeeze and stop wasting our time |
| 12:42.16 | Morgawr | stew: version 1.16.3 tremon: how can I be sure they are up-to-date if I can't upgrade? |
| 12:42.24 | Morgawr | I do a system upgrade every couple of weeks usually |
| 12:42.25 | Mogget | nsadmin: that worked like a charm. Thank you sir. |
| 12:42.33 | amee2k | it is a semi-industrial embedded system that we want to use as a local streaming server |
| 12:42.44 | tremon | Morgawr: worst-case, through a manual download and dpkg -i |
| 12:42.45 | nsadmin | Mogget, ok, welcome, and that's temporary :) |
| 12:42.54 | stew | judd: versions dpkg |
| 12:42.55 | judd | Package: dpkg on i386 -- lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; squeeze: 1.15.8.12; wheezy: 1.16.3; sid: 1.16.4.2 |
| 12:43.01 | nsadmin | let's work out a more permanent solution |
| 12:43.01 | Mogget | nsadmin: yeah I realize. I am adding the sentence to bashrc now |
| 12:43.27 | amee2k | themill: i'm not wasting your time. if any, you're wasting your own time, and you're wasting even more time blaming me for it ;) |
| 12:43.39 | nsadmin | oh ok, cool... and having said that, I have a coupla funcs, addlib and addpath if you're interested |
| 12:43.47 | themill | amee2k: /dev/null is over there → |
| 12:43.48 | tremon | Morgawr: unable to upgrade would qualify as an RC bug in any case, so you might want to report it |
| 12:44.27 | themill | tremon: you only see this if you enabled multiarch in dpkg first |
| 12:44.33 | Mogget | nsadmin: I don't need them at the moment, but I would love to see them anyway just to learn from them or for later use. |
| 12:44.46 | themill | tremon: (and also installed foreign arch packages |
| 12:44.54 | amee2k | i bet your client has an ignore list |
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| 12:45.06 | tremon | yeah, but he should have done that manually and would know about it, unless current libc6-i386 enabled multi-arch for him |
| 12:45.18 | nsadmin | Mogget they represent one particular way of going about it... there |
| 12:45.25 | nsadmin | is another |
| 12:45.30 | nsadmin | but, here goes |
| 12:45.43 | amee2k | stew: in what way was that assessment incorrect? |
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| 12:45.50 | themill | amee2k: sure. ChanServ also has a "quiet" feature to save multiple people having to use their client's ignore feature. |
| 12:46.18 | amee2k | somehow you're the only one who is having a problem with that |
| 12:46.27 | stew | Morgawr: you should certainly check the bts for dpkg |
| 12:46.55 | themill | Morgawr: did you enable foreign architectures at some stage with dpkg with your multi-arch aware dpkg? |
| 12:47.24 | nsadmin | http://paste.debian.net/174967/ |
| 12:47.34 | Morgawr | I don't know, I remember I had to install i386 packages (I'm on amd64) because I needed compatibility |
| 12:47.37 | Morgawr | how do I check that? |
| 12:47.38 | nsadmin | ignore last line, copied by mistake... |
| 12:48.18 | themill | Morgawr: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 12:48.25 | N-I-L | uhh processor type? |
| 12:48.31 | stew | but I think we pretty much know the answer there |
| 12:48.40 | Mogget | nsadmin: ah, this looks like something one should put in skeleton. |
| 12:48.48 | Mogget | nsadmin: Thank you. I will add this at once. |
| 12:48.52 | nsadmin | well maybe |
| 12:49.03 | Morgawr | themill: it says "i386", so yeah |
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| 12:50.20 | themill | Morgawr: so yeah -- this was one of the caveats announced with the upload of multiarch dpkg into debian... until apt enabled the full multiarch interface for talking to dpkg, things like this were going to break. If you upgrade to a multiarch capable apt, then all will be fine again (no need to file a bug about this) |
| 12:50.33 | nsadmin | Mogget, another solution is along the lines of alias somecmd="LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/something/lib somecmd" |
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| 12:51.11 | Morgawr | themill: how do I update to a multiarch capable apt? so far aptitude seems to be working though |
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| 12:52.12 | Mogget | nsadmin: yeah, but this setup will be pretty static so I wish to add the ~/bin and ~/lib at any given time, so theres no point in having them as aliases. |
| 12:52.42 | Mogget | nsadmin: thank you for all the suggestions. I will play a little with the lines you provided. |
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| 12:53.55 | themill | Morgawr: I'd be surprised if aptitude coped with this and apt-get didn't. You either need to manually do the configure steps yourself than apt is failing to do (so run "dpkg --configure libc6:i386" etc) and then see if apt can do the rest for you including upgrade itself, or you need to get rid of all your foreign-arch packages and then upgrade everything and then install the foreign arch packages again |
| 12:54.08 | nsadmin | Mogget, welcome |
| 12:54.55 | nsadmin | does archive.d.o have a new debian-archive-keyring? |
| 12:55.48 | stew | i thought the original error was a dpkg error, not an apt error anyway? |
| 12:56.06 | stew | oh, i see |
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| 12:58.28 | themill | stew: yeah, apt isn't arch-qualifying its dpkg --configure calls so dpkg complains. (I don't know why it doesn't just try to do all archs that are in an unconfigured state, but there's probably a reason somewhere in amongst the rest of multiargh for that) |
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| 13:00.07 | nsadmin | previously, those would have been the single arch and "all"? |
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| 13:03.05 | stew | themill: right |
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| 13:17.58 | rizlah | Why does the manual tell you that to make a USB installer you need to use cat? Why not dd? |
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| 13:19.36 | stew | rizlah: why not cat? |
| 13:19.46 | rizlah | Why not dd? |
| 13:19.52 | stew | rizlah: no reason |
| 13:20.04 | rizlah | I see. So it's mainly a preferance issue |
| 13:20.09 | stew | rizlah: there are tons of valid methods, cat a > b, cp a b, dd if=a of=f... |
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| 13:20.23 | rizlah | I'm so used to seeing dd that I thought cat was doing something special in the background or something |
| 13:20.53 | stew | no, none of these do anything special, they just open both files and copy bits until you run out of bits to copy or room on dest |
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| 13:21.57 | AimHere | well I think they behave differently at the destination end; cat > tries to put a file into a filesystem; dd can overwrite data on a device with no filesystem |
| 13:22.33 | stew | AimHere: no, they don't |
| 13:22.52 | stew | AimHere: none of these know anything about filesystems, they just open files and copy bits to them |
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| 13:27.40 | Morgawr | themill: okay, I tried using aptitude and it's giving me the same error, how would I go to manually tell dpkg to --configure libc6:i386? |
| 13:28.06 | stew | Morgawr: are aptitude and apt packages up to date? |
| 13:28.12 | Morgawr | stew: as much as I can |
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| 13:30.44 | Morgawr | I tried doing "sudo dpkg --configure libc6 --force-architecture i386" but it doesn't work |
| 13:31.33 | themill | Morgawr: «dpkg --configure libc6:i386» should be fine, but there may well be other packages that also need to be configured too |
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| 13:34.42 | rizlah | Does /boot or /var require any root reserved blocks (ext2, 4 FS)? |
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| 13:38.39 | horke | I'm trying to dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze but I get broken packages which I haven't been able to find out how to solve. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 13:38.54 | horke | liboobs-1-4: Breaks: gnome-system-tools (< 2.30) but 2.22.0-4 is to be installed |
| 13:39.01 | horke | system-tools-backends: Breaks: gnome-system-tools (< 2.30) but 2.22.0-4 is to be installed |
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| 13:45.59 | rizlah | People still use lenny? |
| 13:46.49 | nkuttler | horke: did you read the release notes? |
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| 13:48.27 | lupintheethird | is there anyone who could help me set up my ps3 media server |
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| 13:49.25 | jboogie | hi, debian noob here, trying to install for first time. Why are there 72 iso images here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ which to choose? |
| 13:49.45 | jboogie | ^ 74 |
| 13:49.50 | pinkus | so I heard Wheezy is being promoted to stable this month, is that true? |
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| 13:50.47 | ompaul | no |
| 13:50.52 | ompaul | it may freeze |
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| 13:51.38 | ompaul | jboogie: get out of there, go get stable - choose netinstall - but first check out kde and gnome as desktops as they are the most popular afik |
| 13:51.48 | ompaul | so go look at images for them online |
| 13:51.51 | themill | jboogie: you want to install squeeze not wheezy. Once you know enough about debian, you may then think about upgrading to wheezy |
| 13:51.55 | pinkus | so once it is frozen, it is just a matter of working on the current packages before it becomes stable? |
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| 13:52.23 | jboogie | but hasn't debian stable got software from even 1 or 2 years back? |
| 13:52.27 | lupintheethird | they said there was like 1000+ bugs still roughly i read |
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| 13:52.43 | ompaul | pinkus: it will go there the clean up yes |
| 13:52.56 | themill | jboogie: yes, debian stable has software that is well tested and works well as a distribution |
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| 13:53.56 | jboogie | themill: thanks, I'll have to ponder this... I actually use archlinux so I'm not a fan of this, but this is for my girlfriend so it could work out... |
| 13:54.18 | horke | nkuttler: Yes, but I don't understand everything. But I followed the steps with update, upgrade, kernel upgrade, grup update etc. |
| 13:54.46 | nkuttler | horke: please pastebin your command + errors |
| 13:54.50 | themill | jboogie: yeah, testing and working is vastly overrated... |
| 13:55.48 | lupintheethird | does anyone know how to get ps3 media server working? i cannot get MEncoder to play mkv files |
| 13:56.07 | nkuttler | lupintheethird: hm, but mencoder isn't a player? |
| 13:56.47 | lupintheethird | nkuttler, its a transcode built into ps3 media |
| 13:57.04 | lupintheethird | nkuttler, it works on everything from ubuntu to lmde but cannot get to work in debian |
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| 13:57.28 | lupintheethird | idk if i dont have the correct java installed? i tried to install sun java and i guess its not supported anymore or something |
| 13:57.29 | nkuttler | lupintheethird: really no idea what you mean. do you use the dmm mplayer/mencoder? /msg dpkg dmm |
| 13:57.36 | nkuttler | java? huh? |
| 13:57.36 | horke | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/wSPrpSbG |
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| 13:57.43 | lupintheethird | nkuttler, ps3 uses java |
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| 13:58.44 | lupintheethird | nkuttler, PS3 Media Server is a DLNA compliant UPnP Media Server for the PlayStation 3 gaming console, written in Java, with the purpose of streaming or transcoding any kind of media files, with minimum configuration. It's backed up with the powerful Mplayer/FFmpeg packages |
| 13:59.01 | fasta | themill: it's quite hard to win an argument with arguments, isn't it? |
| 13:59.13 | ompaul | fasta: shut up troll |
| 13:59.27 | fasta | ompaul: I didn't start it. |
| 13:59.33 | themill | fasta: you should know better than to take things from channel to channel |
| 13:59.36 | nkuttler | horke: hm, apt-cache policy liboobs-1-4 gnome-system-tools |
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| 14:01.01 | lupintheethird | no one knows of a way to stream media to a ps3 other than ps3 media servere?? |
| 14:01.15 | nkuttler | lupintheethird: is this "ms3 media server" a debian thing? i'm confused |
| 14:01.22 | nkuttler | s/ms3/ps3 |
| 14:01.27 | lupintheethird | it works on everything ive used it for like 5 years |
| 14:01.34 | raptor67782 | for the nokia n900, how to install Debian Stable on it? - is it slow or fast? |
| 14:01.38 | horke | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/7UdrQ1eh |
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| 14:03.03 | nkuttler | horke: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
| 14:03.37 | trysten | lupintheethird: i've used this utility before i'm pretty sure can stream to ps3. just a sec. |
| 14:03.49 | lupintheethird | trysten, okay awesome |
| 14:04.23 | lupintheethird | trysten, ive got it to the point where my ps3 see's the server it just cant play the files |
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| 14:04.31 | horke | nkuttler: empty |
| 14:04.38 | trysten | lupintheethird: i could have sworn it was in the repos... apparently not. it's called ushare |
| 14:04.51 | lupintheethird | ushare works? |
| 14:05.10 | boudiccas | ,versions ushare |
| 14:05.11 | judd | No package named 'ushare' was found in i386. |
| 14:05.18 | lupintheethird | i found it |
| 14:05.21 | trysten | lupintheethird: says it does! i don't even know what DLNA is so.. i'm not too knowledgeable about ps3 |
| 14:05.29 | lupintheethird | is it this ? |
| 14:05.30 | lupintheethird | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/cpushare |
| 14:05.36 | trysten | lupintheethird: no. ushare. |
| 14:05.50 | lupintheethird | thats all that will pull up |
| 14:06.24 | trysten | lupintheethird: i've set it up, streaming to an xbox three shitty, with great success. and like i said, it's NOT in the repos. i just thought it was. |
| 14:06.26 | Chat1581 | DOWNLOAD "APP TRAILERS" & PUT "GRAYSKIES" IN AS THE BONUS CODE AND YOU WILL GET FREE PS3 CARDS!!!! |
| 14:06.34 | Chat1581 | DOWNLOAD "APP TRAILERS" & PUT "GRAYSKIES" IN AS THE BONUS CODE AND YOU WILL GET FREE PS3 CARDS!!!! |
| 14:06.39 | trysten | Chat1581: OMG THAT'S FRIGGIN GREAT I'M SO EXCITE |
| 14:07.01 | lupintheethird | this is rough i spent like 5 hours setting up debian for the first time and cant get it to do the main thing i use linux for |
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| 14:07.12 | nkuttler | horke: hmm.. did you do anything odd like mixing different repositories? try apt-get -f install |
| 14:07.37 | trysten | lupintheethird: trust me, when you get it working it will be that much more satisfying. what server have you used in the past? |
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| 14:08.01 | lupintheethird | trysten, ive ONLY used ps3 media server for windows and linux for about 5 years now |
| 14:08.30 | trysten | lupintheethird: so why not just install that? |
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| 14:08.49 | lupintheethird | trysten, for some reason debian will not play the files but i can view the files |
| 14:09.03 | lupintheethird | trysten, just says "corrupt data" when i go to play |
| 14:09.22 | lupintheethird | trysten, my guess is im missing codecs or something but i have on idea |
| 14:09.25 | lupintheethird | no |
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| 14:10.21 | lupintheethird | which is funny because setting up nvidia drivers was easy in comparison lol |
| 14:10.34 | mehdi | has anybody ever install 32 bit apps on 64bit os? |
| 14:10.58 | boudiccas | mehdi: yes |
| 14:11.05 | mehdi | how? |
| 14:11.16 | themill | mehdi: are you doing this in debian or ubuntu? |
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| 14:11.31 | trysten | lupintheethird: have you throughly examined the documentation for setting up ps3 media server on linux? that's your best bet. it's probably got nothing to do with codes, rather is your encoding that could be the problem. |
| 14:12.02 | mehdi | well i tried to install debian but couldnt so i have to install ubuntu : |
| 14:12.04 | mehdi | :D |
| 14:12.19 | themill | mehdi: ubuntu and debian have different multiarch implementations. Please ask in the right place. |
| 14:12.22 | trysten | mehdi: ubuntu is not debian. install debian :P |
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| 14:12.26 | boudiccas | mehdi: you asked if anybody had installed 32bit apps on a 64bit os, and i answered your question. it was so vague that was the only possible answer! |
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| 14:12.34 | lupintheethird | trysten, i skimmed through, but everything is pretty automatic |
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| 14:14.25 | horke | nkuttler: No luck. Well I had ftp.se.debian.org for lenny which I pointed to archive.debian.org to be able to do to update. Could that cause a problem? |
| 14:14.27 | trysten | i have a question for you #debian, i need help understanding the boot/initialization process. i want to hack around in initrd but i don't understand how it switches from the root of the initrd to the real root of the disk. examining the scripts is too tedious for my skills, and i was wondering if #debian knew of any decent documentation on the subject. there are so many variables and references in the initrd/scripts scripts that i ca |
| 14:14.35 | trysten | lupintheethird: i'll check it out for you :P |
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| 14:14.53 | trysten | lupintheethird: you git/compile/install ushare, as a fallback |
| 14:14.55 | mehdi | tanx anyway i love this commiunity |
| 14:15.06 | nkuttler | horke: show your sources.list |
| 14:15.10 | lupintheethird | trysten, okay |
| 14:16.00 | lupintheethird | trysten, i may have figured it out You have to install MPlayer, MEncoder, FFmpeg and TsMuxer. If you like to stream web content also install VLC. |
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| 14:16.15 | horke | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/jdHZ792A |
| 14:17.00 | trysten | lupintheethird: great. also.. were you trying to load a file that you are positive worked before? the ps3 only has so many codec it can recognize, so you need an assured test file that you are positive can be streamed to the ps3 |
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| 14:17.21 | lupintheethird | trysten, yeah last night it was working with ubuntu |
| 14:17.32 | lupintheethird | no files are playing right now |
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| 14:18.28 | ompaul | horke: you don't want security in there? |
| 14:18.29 | mehdi | is debian latest version Gnome3? |
| 14:18.31 | nkuttler | horke: i'd try an aptitute safe-upgrade |
| 14:18.43 | lupintheethird | trysten, to install mplayer etc, do i just apt-get install them? |
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| 14:19.00 | boudiccas | mehdi: you ask such vague questions! please refine it and ask properly |
| 14:19.17 | ompaul | !tell horke about sources.list |
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| 14:19.46 | ompaul | horke: /msg dpkg <key phrases> and you'll get everything you want |
| 14:20.18 | trysten | lupintheethird: whatever your prefrence. i use aptitude. what i'm reading (on some stupid fourm) says ps3mc needs specific versions of mencoder and ffmpeg.. i've yet to find anything informative on their own site, however |
| 14:20.53 | lupintheethird | trysten, okay and what is aptitude sorry for my ignorance but ive really only used ubuntu for 3 years |
| 14:21.11 | lupintheethird | trysten, first day with the debian |
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| 14:22.00 | bardzusny | lupintheethird: aptitude is like apt-get but better |
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| 14:22.15 | lupintheethird | so just aptitude get install mplayer , etc |
| 14:22.26 | riley | hey guys i could use some help with my ati drivers |
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| 14:22.30 | bardzusny | most commands are the same, so just aptitude install mplayer, aptitude remove mplayer, aptitude update |
| 14:22.36 | bardzusny | etc. |
| 14:22.49 | ompaul | !ati |
| 14:22.49 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 14:22.54 | lupintheethird | alright good deal, should i do one at a time? |
| 14:22.59 | trysten | lupintheethird: sure. aptitude is just a fancy text interface to apt. you can use synaptic or something if that's what you are comfortable with. no. if you want aptitude. do sudo apt-get install aptitude then just run aptitude. but you can use normal commands too.. |
| 14:23.02 | horke | nkuttler: Oh. Breaks on python-minimal. http://pastebin.com/w456Zyee |
| 14:23.03 | riley | i have amdcccle isntalled but i cant change anything everything just resets itself |
| 14:23.35 | lupintheethird | trysten, lemme check it out |
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| 14:23.42 | riley | and i even tried manually turning on v-sync in the terminal but that dosnt work either |
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| 14:24.01 | trysten | lupintheethird: sudo apt-get install aptitude && aptitude it's one of my most used programs. |
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| 14:24.55 | nkuttler | !tell horke about kept back |
| 14:25.35 | trysten | lupintheethird: i'm not impressed with the organization of ps3mc. i'm done trying to find documentation. if you can't get it working, i suggest ushare. it's pretty well put together. |
| 14:25.57 | lupintheethird | trysten, okay ill see what happens here |
| 14:26.05 | mehdi | how can i dl debian? |
| 14:26.22 | riley | trysten can u help me out |
| 14:26.37 | riley | im on solus os witch is based on debian stable |
| 14:26.40 | lupintheethird | trysten, appreciate your help though man |
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| 14:27.54 | diablillo | good afternoon, someone will know how to make an image of debian I have with Aegir on a server to pass it to another server |
| 14:29.26 | trysten | riley: installing proprietary graphics driver packages in linux can be a B****. it can often take liters of sweat and tears to get them functioning at all, let alone optimally. but sure! you're using debian right? |
| 14:29.43 | riley | yes |
| 14:29.43 | trysten | mehdi: you're kidding right.. |
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| 14:30.05 | riley | trust used to be on arch and i even got them working lol |
| 14:30.10 | riley | trust me |
| 14:30.24 | lupintheethird | trysten, ooo yah it works! just had to install the mplayer and all those |
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| 14:30.29 | trysten | riley: go to ATI. |
| 14:30.35 | trysten | lupintheethird: great job! |
| 14:30.37 | riley | ive got everything installed i just cant change anything witch has never happened before |
| 14:30.45 | lupintheethird | trysten, but... i dont know when i reboot if it will work because ps3 media server says it DOESNT see the ps3 but now the files play lol |
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| 14:30.59 | trysten | riley: go to #ati |
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| 14:33.31 | riley | http://solusos.com/wiki/2012/04/graphics-drivers/ |
| 14:33.43 | riley | thats what i did but no luck |
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| 14:33.56 | riley | and ati dosnt tell u crap lol |
| 14:34.13 | boudiccas | riley: soluses is NOT debian. please ask for support in the forums for your OS |
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| 14:35.03 | riley | yes it ius boudiccas |
| 14:35.05 | riley | is |
| 14:35.10 | trysten | >.> |
| 14:35.16 | riley | its debian stable |
| 14:35.34 | riley | just made from former mint people |
| 14:35.44 | lupintheethird | trysten, hmm some reason i cannot select what language the file is playing in |
| 14:35.51 | lupintheethird | trysten, any idea? |
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| 14:36.59 | trysten | lupintheethird: do you mean subtitle language? no idea. if it's an audio track, still i don't know about ps3's. i suggest just ripping out the unwanted audio tracks. |
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| 14:37.13 | themill | riley: if it were debian, the link would have read "debian.org", wouldn't it? We can't know how your derivative differs from debian -- please ask your distro's help channel or forums. |
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| 14:37.55 | riley | its freakin debian |
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| 14:38.58 | bardzusny | riley: it's based on debian |
| 14:39.02 | bardzusny | but it's not debian |
| 14:39.20 | bardzusny | otherwise ubuntu would be debian, sidux would be debian, linux mint would be debian, etc. ad infinitum |
| 14:39.48 | themill | riley: if it's debian, what's the advantage of using it rather than debian? |
| 14:40.09 | riley | it comes witha alot more stuff and is more user friendly |
| 14:40.15 | themill | so it's not debian then |
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| 14:41.43 | lupintheethird | riley, i tried LMDE yesterday coming from ubuntu and never using debian, trust me when i installed debian i could notice a HUGE difference in speed and they are right its really not the same |
| 14:41.47 | horke | nkuttler: if I get it right, I should do a aptitude install python-minimal which then will ask me for acceptable solutions on package to be removed in order to upgrade the package? |
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| 14:42.13 | riley | solus is like lmde but alot better |
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| 14:43.03 | coolguy4 | How can I get the number of upgradable packages in bash? I know I can go into aptitude to see this but is there a command that can just me the number of upgradable packages on the command line? |
| 14:43.29 | dvs | coolguy4: aptitude update ? |
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| 14:44.20 | trysten | sunday is noob day |
| 14:44.26 | lupintheethird | has anyone experienced when installing .deb files the cancel/install buttons freeze up and it never lets you install it |
| 14:44.50 | gnarface | coolguy4: i think maybe you are looking for "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" but aptitude can also be run non-interactively |
| 14:45.04 | tremon | coolguy4: aptitude search ~U|wc -l |
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| 14:45.52 | coolguy4 | dvs: But 'aptitude update' actually contacts hosts in sources.list, which I don't necessarily want to do every time I want to see the number of upgradable packages since the last 'aptitude update'. However, I could run 'aptitude update' regularly from a script and record the number of upgradable packages somewhere. |
| 14:46.44 | gnarface | coolguy4: "apt-get upgrade" does not automatically contact your sources.list |
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| 14:47.44 | linuxCase | what the usability of debian for a first time linux user (eg, Window 7 user) |
| 14:47.52 | coolguy4 | gnarface: good point, but I don't believe it shows the number of upgradable packages either. For example, some packages may be being kept back, so 'apt-get upgrade' wouldn't show them. |
| 14:48.18 | gnarface | coolguy4: uh... actually yea it shows packages being kept back |
| 14:48.40 | coolguy4 | gnarface: ok, let me try that then. |
| 14:48.45 | _aeris_ | linuxCase > very useable, but don't try to « copy/paste » how you did on windows |
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| 14:49.18 | linuxCase | ok what about the ui? |
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| 14:49.30 | _aeris_ | linuxCase > the one you choose =) |
| 14:49.37 | _aeris_ | kde, gnome, xfce… |
| 14:49.46 | _aeris_ | what you want in fact |
| 14:50.06 | linuxCase | theres more than one :o |
| 14:50.18 | _aeris_ | yes |
| 14:50.22 | _aeris_ | this is not windows :þ |
| 14:50.26 | linuxCase | sweet |
| 14:50.48 | _aeris_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_manager#X_Window_managers |
| 14:50.58 | dvs | imposes Metro on _aeris_ |
| 14:51.04 | linuxCase | can i get virus like windows |
| 14:51.05 | _aeris_ | >< |
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| 14:51.12 | _aeris_ | linuxCase > no |
| 14:51.27 | _aeris_ | there is no viruses on linux |
| 14:51.29 | bardzusny | linuxCase: it's of course #debian, but if you're first time linux user, you may like Linux Mint or Ubuntu more |
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| 14:51.45 | _aeris_ | in fact, there is, but very few, and not widely diffused |
| 14:52.02 | _aeris_ | bardzusny > ubuntu for a first user ??? |
| 14:52.03 | bardzusny | _aeris_++ |
| 14:52.08 | bardzusny | no antivirus needed by any means |
| 14:52.12 | coolguy4 | ok, I think I can do 'aptitude search ?upgradable | wc -l' to get what I want |
| 14:52.15 | _aeris_ | <bardzusny> no antivirus needed by any means |
| 14:52.25 | _aeris_ | only if there is win computer on the lan :þ |
| 14:52.28 | linuxCase | cool no viruses |
| 14:52.29 | coolguy4 | is there any problem with mixing apt-get and aptitude? |
| 14:52.42 | _aeris_ | linux is not affected, but could be the propagator =) |
| 14:52.50 | _aeris_ | coolguy4 > no |
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| 14:52.53 | themill | coolguy4: with the exception of "hold", no. |
| 14:53.09 | bardzusny | _aeris_: I don't really like ubuntu, but yes, I guess |
| 14:53.28 | _aeris_ | just a bunch of craps on the last versions… |
| 14:53.33 | _aeris_ | regrets 8.X |
| 14:53.39 | bardzusny | you may have a point here |
| 14:53.50 | bardzusny | I heard bad things about latest releases too |
| 14:53.56 | _aeris_ | gnome 3… |
| 14:54.06 | _aeris_ | canonical crapsware |
| 14:54.13 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 14:54.41 | coolguy4 | thanks |
| 14:55.02 | linuxCase | so how would i install linux (eg, debian, ubuntu, Linux Mint)? |
| 14:55.08 | jboogie | hi, is it possible to do a netinstall over a wpa encrypted wifi? |
| 14:55.10 | _aeris_ | debian |
| 14:55.48 | bardzusny | linuxCase: in any case, you will most likely want to download installer .iso, burn it to cd/dvd, and boot from it |
| 14:55.53 | _aeris_ | ubuntu is lesser and lesser useable, and let beginner alone at each upgrade… |
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| 14:56.20 | _aeris_ | linuxCase > if you want to try some distro, use virtual machine |
| 14:56.21 | bardzusny | jboogie: in stable no, not sure if this feature was added to wheezy/sid |
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| 14:56.37 | _aeris_ | you can try some version without changing your system |
| 14:56.40 | themill | jboogie: not with the stable installer. the kmuto installer and the wheezy installer can do so (the wheezy installer may or may not work though) |
| 14:56.44 | jboogie | oh, thanks |
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| 14:56.59 | linuxCase | where would get a virtual machine? |
| 14:57.13 | jboogie | then if I would want to download a "large" iso of stable |
| 14:57.22 | jboogie | I should choose one of these right? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 14:57.39 | _aeris_ | linuxCase > virtualbox for example |
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| 15:00.02 | jboogie | the problem is which... |
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| 15:01.18 | themill | jboogie: CD1 is not necessarily enough to get wpa working. CD1 certainly doesn't have everything for network-manager, if that's the way you'd normally set up your wireless |
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| 15:01.44 | oops | should I install the official driver from nvidia or the alternatives from Debian? and what are the alternatives? can someone tell me please. |
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| 15:02.09 | lupintheethird | trysten, lol i now find a link that would have automatically installed ps3 media server |
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| 15:02.43 | jboogie | oh I see.. but so the iso all simply contain .deb packages? I mean to boot and start installation I need CD1? |
| 15:02.44 | linuxCase | ok thanks guys this was a test to see what a first time user would experence coming into irc for help i my self have had 8 month using ubuntu 11.10 & 12.04 so the help you guys gave is the help would have been gartefull for 8 months ago :) |
| 15:02.48 | Alam_Squeeze | oops: Squeeze or Wheezy? |
| 15:03.19 | linuxCase | if i found irc back then |
| 15:03.33 | oops | Alam_Squeeze, wheezy |
| 15:03.40 | themill | jboogie: yeah -- and the netinstall is enough to do that |
| 15:03.48 | Alam_Squeeze | oops: use Debian's way |
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| 15:04.12 | oops | Alam_Squeeze, any particular reason for prefering the debian way? |
| 15:04.22 | Alam_Squeeze | oops: and join #debian-next for help on Wheezy |
| 15:04.26 | jboogie | themill: wait, I'm confused now... |
| 15:04.27 | oops | thanks |
| 15:04.42 | oops | #debian-next is invite only. |
| 15:04.45 | jboogie | so I can use the netinstall iso |
| 15:04.45 | jboogie | *and* the other isos |
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| 15:04.54 | jboogie | the netinstall to boot and the other for the packages? |
| 15:04.54 | bardzusny | #debian -next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:04.58 | oops | oh |
| 15:05.18 | bardzusny | (topic) |
| 15:05.52 | trysten | what is #debian-next? |
| 15:05.59 | themill | jboogie: if you're going to download more than one cd, then don't get the netinst. But why not just use the netinst? |
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| 15:06.39 | jboogie | I don't have an ethernet cable... |
| 15:06.46 | jboogie | only wpa wifi |
| 15:07.02 | _aeris_ | and why not use CD1 or DVD1 ? |
| 15:07.31 | _aeris_ | all common packages are on those iso |
| 15:07.36 | jboogie | I came here to ask this... on the download page there are > 60 CD isos |
| 15:07.38 | dvs | jboogie: then you have to ask Kenshi very nicely |
| 15:07.45 | Alam_Squeeze | oops: since I do not see you in #debian-next on OFTC; http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:08.35 | themill | jboogie: ahh. You could use the kmuto installer for this (/msg dpkg kmuto) or you could disable WPA for the duration of the installation, or you could use CD1&2 (I think that's sufficient). |
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| 15:09.39 | jboogie | oh ok... I'm downloading CD1 now |
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| 15:10.37 | trysten | repost: i have a question for you #debian, i need help understanding the boot/initialization process. i want to hack around in initrd but i don't understand how it switches from the root of the initrd to the real root of the disk. examining the scripts is too tedious for my skills, and i was wondering if #debian knew of any decent documentation on the subject. there are so many variables and references in the initrd/scripts scripts t |
| 15:11.04 | jboogie | but a problem still remains... at least I had it with the netinst iso, but I'll guess I'll have it with CD1 & 2 also |
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| 15:12.42 | jboogie | I wrote it to a usb stick using both the "cat net.iso > /dev/sdb" method from the guide and "dd if=net.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M" and I didn't see it in the BIOS neither way... couldn't boot |
| 15:12.53 | jboogie | (I gave "sync" after both methods) |
| 15:13.08 | jboogie | I can boot from the same pc from a systemrescuecd usb pen |
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| 15:14.11 | _aeris_ | jboogie > same usb key ? |
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| 15:14.48 | jboogie | no |
| 15:14.54 | boudiccas | trysten: maybe ask the devs mailing list and get better replies? |
| 15:15.27 | trysten | boudiccas: thanks. will do. |
| 15:15.30 | jboogie | so it might be a faulty usb key? |
| 15:16.16 | jboogie | (it never gave any problem before) |
| 15:17.02 | grandie | OK, got my system up and running via net-install, though kde was installed when the system started it came up in cli, which is fine however I would like to use kde and startx just gives me a blank screen. |
| 15:17.32 | _aeris_ | jboogie > usb key must be « bootable » |
| 15:17.36 | bardzusny | trysten: short answer is pivot_root |
| 15:17.51 | jboogie | _aeris_: damn! you're right |
| 15:17.54 | jboogie | forgot about that |
| 15:17.54 | boudiccas | grandie: is kde fully installed? maybe its missing some vital programs? |
| 15:17.55 | sney | grandie, you may be missing some xserver-xorg packages |
| 15:18.03 | jboogie | will try now |
| 15:18.50 | grandie | thanks, i'll look to see if something is missing. |
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| 15:19.12 | jboogie | uuhmm cfdisk shows it allread was |
| 15:19.33 | jboogie | the dd command makes that automatically I guess? |
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| 15:19.37 | _aeris_ | grandie > do you try startkde instead xinit ? |
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| 15:20.26 | grandie | _aeris_: no, let me see if that works, thanks. |
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| 15:20.45 | horke | nkuttler: thanks for your help, I got it sorted out. |
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| 15:24.50 | lupintheethird | is there a program that will automatically unzip tar files |
| 15:25.04 | bardzusny | "automatically"? |
| 15:25.09 | boudiccas | lupintheethird: ark |
| 15:25.17 | lupintheethird | like right click the file and say unzip here or what not |
| 15:26.53 | bardzusny | boudicass++ then |
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| 15:29.06 | horke | ompaul: thanks, but I am using security? "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
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| 15:30.09 | ompaul | horke: wasn't visible to me in your sources.list in the pastebin which means I can't trust your pastebining ... |
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| 15:34.16 | lupintheethird | hey when i tried installing the past 2 .deb files ive got the same error |
| 15:34.18 | lupintheethird | subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 15:34.19 | Gunni | hey, i have a problem setting the suid bit on a file |
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| 15:34.59 | Gunni | i am doing expiriments with it on a virtual machine, i set the u+s as root, owner is root but when it's run (bash script containing whoami) it returns my username and not root |
| 15:36.20 | lupintheethird | does anyone know what would cause subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 15:36.36 | themill | lupintheethird: many reasons -- can you show us the entire output in a pastebin? |
| 15:36.50 | lupintheethird | themill, im new to debian how would i do that? |
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| 15:37.21 | themill | lupintheethird: copy and paste the output into your browser ... http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:37.26 | boudiccas | !pastebin |
| 15:37.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:38.11 | lupintheethird | themill, that was my entire error |
| 15:38.28 | jboogie | so, the bios doesn't see the CD1 iso which I dd'ed on the usb key, but it correctly sees and boots another usb key I have with sysrescuecd... the sysrescuecd key is ext4 while the debian iso iso9660, maybe that could explain something? |
| 15:38.44 | themill | lupintheethird: please pastebin the entire output including the command you gave |
| 15:38.45 | jboogie | oh BTW the debian usb key boots correctly on another netbook |
| 15:39.28 | horke | ompaul: I'm glad you're helping and I'm not sure, mainly if "contrib" and "nonfree" should be included aswell, that's why I asked again http://pastebin.com/jdHZ792A |
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| 15:40.25 | bardzusny | jboogie: it may not be in the manual, but that's how I always do it: 1) format usb stick as vfat 2) copy all files from .iso to root directory of usb stick 3) rename isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg 4) install syslinux on usb stick (syslinux /dev/sdb1, or similar) |
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| 15:42.21 | lupintheethird | themill, saying i need at least 3 or two linebreaks? |
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| 15:42.47 | jboogie | bardzusny: ok trying it now |
| 15:42.49 | bardzusny | jboogie: I used it on "mini.iso" netinstall images, not sure if it works on bigger ones |
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| 15:43.18 | themill | lupintheethird: without context, I have no idea what you're talking about. Context means seeing the command you gave and the entire output... |
| 15:43.35 | lupintheethird | im not giving any command im just running a .deb file with automatic installer |
| 15:44.02 | themill | I have no idea what that means.... it sounds awfully like something you shouldn't be doing though |
| 15:44.09 | sney | it might be gdebi |
| 15:44.26 | lupintheethird | themill, i downloaded ark from the debian site |
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| 15:44.48 | themill | lupintheethird: why wouldn't you "aptitude install ark"? |
| 15:44.59 | themill | now understand the full horror of the situation |
| 15:45.13 | boudiccas | lupintheethird: ark is not for installing deb files, just fir unpacking tar/tgz/zip files |
| 15:45.25 | themill | boudiccas: he's trying to install ark |
| 15:45.26 | boudiccas | for |
| 15:45.27 | eSa| | hi, I upgraded to linux-image-3.2 and X now does not work. ps aux show that there are a (great) number of X server started http://pastie.org/4103477 |
| 15:45.38 | lupintheethird | boudiccas, i know this |
| 15:45.44 | lupintheethird | when i aptitude install ark |
| 15:46.02 | lupintheethird | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 15:46.12 | themill | lupintheethird: you need to install things as root |
| 15:46.18 | lupintheethird | im in root atm |
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| 15:46.26 | jmusbach | !sex |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
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| 15:46.37 | themill | jmusbach: play elsewhere |
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| 15:46.59 | themill | lupintheethird: do you have some other aptitude/synaptic/software sources thing running elsewhere? |
| 15:47.26 | eSa| | also I get (EE) RADEON(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version. |
| 15:47.27 | lupintheethird | themill, only have xchat and terminal open |
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| 15:48.01 | themill | lupintheethird: I presume you're not ircing as root, so how are you making aptitude run as root? |
| 15:48.10 | lupintheethird | su |
| 15:48.33 | lupintheethird | su to root and then aptitude install ark |
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| 15:49.31 | eSa| | dmesg output seems fine to me. What to do... what to do? |
| 15:49.40 | lupintheethird | themill, E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 15:50.33 | themill | lupintheethird: you must have something else running then... gdebi? apt in another terminal? update-manager? |
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| 15:51.08 | lupintheethird | themill, alt-tab isn't showing any of those running |
| 15:51.23 | sney | depending on update-manager's configuration it might be running in the background. look for an orange icon with an arrow in it in your notification area |
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| 15:51.44 | lupintheethird | themill, when i ran update manager last time it said up to date and automatically closed idk if it really closed or not |
| 15:51.55 | boudiccas | lupintheethird: enter 'top' into a terminal and see what other processes relating to installing deb files is being used |
| 15:52.17 | themill | "fuser -vi /var/cache/apt/archives/lock" would hopefully tell us |
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| 15:53.22 | lupintheethird | boudiccas, onlying seeing things like gnome-shell cpuset watchdog stuff like that |
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| 15:56.12 | lupintheethird | oh man hold on it might be the media server conflicting i tried aptitude install ark and its talking about my ps3 media server |
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| 15:57.00 | jboogie | could someone kindly copy-paste me bazhang's message above about installing an iso to usb key (partitioning and running syslinux) - I dumbly rebooted without thinking I'd loose it |
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| 15:57.50 | sney | [09:40] <bardzusny> jboogie: it may not be in the manual, but that's how I always do it: 1) format usb stick as vfat 2) copy all files from .iso to root directory of usb stick 3) rename isolinux.cfg to syslinux.cfg 4) install syslinux on usb stick (syslinux /dev/sdb1, or similar) |
| 15:58.06 | jboogie | thanks sney |
| 15:58.27 | sney | funny thing, it actually is in the manual. this is how the install guide still tells people to do a usb install, despite the hybrid isos which were introduced with squeeze |
| 15:58.59 | jboogie | doesn't the manual say to do "cat image.iso > /dev/sdX" ? |
| 15:59.34 | sney | oh huh, they did add that after all |
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| 16:01.40 | lupintheethird | okay strange i figured this out |
| 16:01.44 | lupintheethird | ANY deb i try installing says |
| 16:01.51 | lupintheethird | The following partially installed packages will be configured: |
| 16:01.51 | lupintheethird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.06 | abrotman | and? |
| 16:02.16 | themill | lupintheethird: where's this ps3mediaserver thing from? it's not in debian |
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| 16:03.28 | sney | they might be distributing a deb now, but ps3mediaserver is a java program so it's almost completely self-contained. its only real dependency is a JRE |
| 16:03.48 | sney | so: unlikely to cause any problems |
| 16:03.49 | lupintheethird | im so confused lol |
| 16:04.09 | lupintheethird | for some reason debian is thinking its half installed and is conflicting me installing anything else |
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| 16:04.51 | abrotman | lupintheethird: where did you get that package ? |
| 16:05.03 | lupintheethird | from the ps3 media server site |
| 16:05.57 | themill | sney: unless there's no jre installed ... |
| 16:06.03 | lupintheethird | http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13046 |
| 16:06.08 | themill | lupintheethird: so what does "aptitude -f" want to do? |
| 16:06.33 | lupintheethird | wants me to remove 2 things |
| 16:06.38 | doxinho | rip rodney king |
| 16:07.27 | themill | lupintheethird: please start sticking stuff in a pastebin... trying to guess what's on your screen in front of you is a very boring game |
| 16:09.39 | abrotman | doxinho: we don't care |
| 16:09.50 | lupintheethird | lol rodney king was a pos |
| 16:09.56 | doxinho | LoLoLoLoL |
| 16:09.58 | abrotman | take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 16:09.59 | doxinho | good riddance |
| 16:10.03 | doxinho | yes, sir |
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| 16:10.04 | themill | take it to #defoucs, thanks |
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| 16:10.12 | abrotman | that's enough of that |
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| 16:41.58 | eSa| | downgraded and no worries |
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| 16:42.46 | nkuttler | !downgrade |
| 16:42.47 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:18.27 | pjc_ | hi |
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| 17:34.48 | mooperd | hi, can anyone think of a a nice way to set up a /dev/lettera |
| 17:34.58 | mooperd | which just outputs lots of aaaaa |
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| 17:35.08 | mooperd | or a /dev/letterb |
| 17:35.29 | AimHere | Well isn't /dev/zero a similar idea - you could check how that gets implemented |
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| 17:47.08 | oops | thanks. this is working for me: grep -oP "\b[\w.]*@[\w.]*\b" corpus.txt |
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| 17:49.22 | jelly-home | mooperd: why? |
| 17:49.50 | mooperd | jelly-home: I want to write specific octets across my disks |
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| 17:50.15 | jelly-home | mooperd: wow, do you have 30 year old MFM or RLL disks? |
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| 17:51.08 | mooperd | jelly-home: :) not quite. |
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| 17:51.31 | engla | you don't need to implement /dev/lettera to do that.. |
| 17:51.32 | mooperd | But I would like to see if my raid sets get higher throughput with specific patterns. |
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| 17:51.58 | mooperd | engla: I wrote a bash script to do it but its hella slow. |
| 17:52.14 | jelly-home | mooperd: make a 1MiB or 4MiB file filled with your pattern, mmap() it, read from it and write to disks |
| 17:52.14 | mooperd | I suppose I could make some files in a ramdisk.... |
| 17:52.39 | mooperd | jelly-home: ok. Could you tell me how to mmap something? |
| 17:53.09 | rizlah | When creating LVM partitions in the debian installer, does it use MB or MiB? |
| 17:53.50 | engla | why would the pattern matter? All that might matter is zeros vs. compressible vs. non-compressible data (3 categories)? |
| 17:54.05 | abrotman | rizlah: it's LVM, can't you just resize later if you don't like it ? |
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| 17:55.42 | mooperd | engla: I want to see if a raid5 rebuilds quicker with 0000000 compared with 01010101 and 00110011 |
| 17:55.45 | mooperd | and combinations |
| 17:56.01 | abrotman | mooperd: it still has to compute the checksum, etc |
| 17:56.03 | mooperd | also I want specific patterns so I can test for corruption |
| 17:56.54 | mooperd | abrotman: agreed. But I think raid controllers are a bit more clever. I think they will already have the checksum for 000000000 in their processor cache.. |
| 17:57.12 | abrotman | uhm .. |
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| 17:57.33 | mooperd | So you might get a faster rebuild with 00000000 compared with using various different patterns. |
| 17:57.41 | HAly | my usb wireless adapter do not show up in virtualbox guest , so I can not use the adapter in guest machin any help? |
| 17:57.41 | HAly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.10 | mooperd | abrotman: for instance if you made a dataset so that each stripe was unique.. |
| 17:58.49 | mooperd | maybe Im getting the wrong end of the stick. |
| 17:59.06 | mooperd | Im trying to persuade my boss to make everything RAID10 in the company… := |
| 17:59.25 | abrotman | mooperd: i understand your theory, I very much disagree |
| 17:59.42 | mooperd | abrotman: please explain! |
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| 18:02.47 | mooperd | brb - pizza |
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| 18:06.37 | kullix | question: i want to install debian to use Linux from Scratch. Will disc 1 from the newest version of Debian be enough to install it? |
| 18:06.59 | mooperd | abrotman: why do you disagree? |
| 18:07.17 | ompaul | kullix: depends, do you need fancy firmware, if not you need the appropriate firmware |
| 18:07.45 | kullix | ohhh i see |
| 18:08.28 | aber | and you probably dont want the 74 disc edition, but netinstall or something |
| 18:08.48 | ompaul | kullix: however not knowing what the LFS people want I suggest you check with their irc channel helpful people I believe |
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| 18:10.10 | kullix | will do |
| 18:10.12 | kullix | thank you! |
| 18:10.30 | kullix | i kinda want to do Debian, always wanted to check it out :) |
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| 18:21.08 | rizlah | Also, why doesn't the debian installer allow XTS mode encryption? |
| 18:21.20 | rizlah | CBC-ESSIV is the only decent one available |
| 18:21.28 | abrotman | file a bug |
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| 18:21.52 | rizlah | Heh, not really a bug than a stupid reduced feature set |
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| 18:23.05 | OldParr | does anyone knows hot to enlarge the picture previews that nautilus shows when uploading pictures with iceweasel ? |
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| 18:25.21 | abrotman | rizlah: FILE A BUG |
| 18:25.35 | rizlah | Is that a bug? |
| 18:25.46 | abrotman | rizlah: if you're too lazy or unknowledgable to fix it, file a bug so hopefully someone else will fix it |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | rizlah: we have wishlist bugs |
| 18:25.53 | rizlah | There are too many bugs in the installer to fix. |
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| 18:26.12 | abrotman | please feel free to use another distro |
| 18:26.21 | rizlah | I like debian. |
| 18:26.32 | abrotman | apparently you don't |
| 18:26.44 | rizlah | I love debian. |
| 18:26.44 | themill | rizlah: fix bugs too! |
| 18:26.50 | nkuttler | rizlah: there are wishlist bugs |
| 18:26.59 | abrotman | covered that :) |
| 18:27.17 | nkuttler | ow |
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| 18:29.33 | jelly-home | rizlah: huh, isn't aes-xts the default for cryptsetup anyhow? It seems unusual d-i would go out of its way to disable functionality |
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| 18:30.04 | rizlah | No, cryptsetup has been quite slow to migrate. There are no real issues with CBC-ESSIV per se, but XTS is the recommended. |
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| 18:30.53 | rizlah | cryptsetup has still not migrated to using SHA256/512 as default, for example. |
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| 18:32.09 | jelly-home | hm, how do I see which setup does my luks device use? |
| 18:32.25 | rizlah | cryptsetup luksDump device |
| 18:33.02 | rizlah | sudo |
| 18:33.10 | jelly-home | ah. So it is Cipher name: aes Cipher mode: cbc-essiv:sha256 then |
| 18:33.25 | jelly-home | Hash spec: sha1 |
| 18:34.26 | jelly-home | I have to migrate it back to different disk, might switch while doing that. |
| 18:34.31 | rizlah | I usually specify -s 512 -h sha512 -c aes-xts-plain64, but attempting to manually do that, create the lvm and install debian on it fails, of course. |
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| 18:35.10 | themill | got a bug number yet? |
| 18:35.14 | rizlah | For what? |
| 18:35.26 | abrotman | for your bug you just filed |
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| 18:35.36 | jelly-home | rizlah: for that debian-installer lack of feature |
| 18:35.44 | rizlah | Debian installer should probe for luks partitions, ask to open them and scan for partitions/LVM inside them. It does not, because it would rather ignore your legitimate manual setup |
| 18:35.57 | rizlah | I have no bug number. |
| 18:35.58 | themill | sounds like another bug |
| 18:36.08 | themill | rizlah: bugs that don't get filed rarely get fixed. |
| 18:37.53 | rizlah | Also, cryptsetup is not available for manual loading in the expert installer, hence you have to switch to tty2 and load it with anna-install, or wait until you've probed disks (after which it is impossible to reprobe properly) |
| 18:38.12 | abrotman | rizlah: whining does nothing |
| 18:38.12 | themill | rizlah: and given that this sounds like something you care about, perhaps you care enough to help fix it? |
| 18:38.12 | rizlah | Hence it's hard to manually setup encrypted partitions for those who don't know about anna-install. |
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| 18:38.24 | themill | rizlah: irc is not a bug tracker. please file bugs |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | rizlah: take a timeout from whining, go file bugs |
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| 18:46.13 | njbair | I just did a fresh install on a VIA C3 mini-itx and it boots fine until I see "Starting GDM" then I get a black screen with a blinking cursor in the upper-left corner. |
| 18:46.35 | aleminio | hey guys, i've got a little problem in my server, when i create a folder or even when i copy one a folder to another destination from the CLI, I'm unable then uploading files to that folder using ftp connection from windows, it says permission denied, even tho the chmod is set to 755. but if i create a folder from my frp manager, it works fine... |
| 18:46.36 | abrotman | njbair: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. what does it say ? |
| 18:47.02 | njbair | can't get to a login prompt to check |
| 18:47.12 | abrotman | you can't ssh in ? |
| 18:47.19 | njbair | hmm maybe. just a sec |
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| 18:48.11 | njbair | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics [1106:3122] (rev 03) |
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| 18:48.35 | abrotman | ugh |
| 18:48.42 | abrotman | njbair: was this squeeze? |
| 18:49.04 | njbair | I used the wheezy alpha installer |
| 18:49.09 | jelly-home | ,xorg 1106:3122 |
| 18:49.10 | judd | In squeeze, device 1106:3122 is matched by xorg driver: 'openchrome'. |
| 18:49.23 | njbair | openchrome is the right driver |
| 18:49.24 | abrotman | yeah, it's an older video card |
| 18:49.26 | somiaj | aleminio: have you checked ownership of the folder? |
| 18:49.37 | abrotman | njbair: why didn't you try squeeze? |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | njbair: otherwise, how did you install X? |
| 18:50.03 | njbair | I didn't explicitly install X |
| 18:50.09 | aleminio | nope somiaj, which command should i use? |
| 18:50.17 | njbair | I was actually surprised when it said starting GDM |
| 18:50.18 | Mogget | I have been watching some videos about xfs and I am considering to exhange my ext4 with xfs. Is there any reason why I should not do this for a standard desktop system? |
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| 18:50.42 | abrotman | njbair: can you make sure 'xorg' is installed |
| 18:50.50 | squeezy | okay, a few questions relating to GRUB..when i boot my PC i see GRUB version 1.99 but, I cant find any /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:51.03 | squeezy | though there is /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:51.13 | abrotman | squeezy: that menu.lst is for grub1 |
| 18:51.18 | njbair | `dpkg --get-selections | grep xorg` returns a ton of packages |
| 18:51.24 | abrotman | njbair: aptitude install xorg |
| 18:51.31 | squeezy | so squeeze has 2 by default? |
| 18:51.40 | abrotman | squeezy: yes |
| 18:51.46 | squeezy | okay |
| 18:52.02 | squeezy | and is it safe to edit grub.cfg? |
| 18:52.16 | squeezy | or should i use update-grub? |
| 18:52.19 | somiaj | aleminio: ls -ld /path/to/directory |
| 18:52.37 | somiaj | aleminio: it should show you not only file permisions, it should show the ownership as well (owner/group) |
| 18:52.41 | abrotman | squeezy: what does the top of that file say? |
| 18:52.50 | squeezy | it says not to |
| 18:52.50 | njbair | regarding squeeze, last time I tried Debian I thought the stable branch was just too old. Someone told me based on my experience with Linux that I would probably prefer testing |
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| 18:53.22 | njbair | "no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | njbair: but .. testing might be broken |
| 18:53.37 | squeezy | but I dont exactly know how to edit the /etc/default/grub and use update-grub |
| 18:53.38 | njbair | Is testing different from unstable? |
| 18:53.42 | abrotman | njbair: stable/working packages are better than new/broken ones |
| 18:53.51 | abrotman | njbair: yes |
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| 18:55.07 | njbair | I was told testing was pretty safe for casual use |
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| 18:55.30 | rizlah | :D |
| 18:56.16 | rizlah | Anyone know why downloading the wheezy DVD with a DL manager stops at 2G? throttling or something? Sadly no torrent available for the alpha disk. |
| 18:56.37 | abrotman | rizlah: why are you still downloading DVDs? |
| 18:56.43 | abrotman | njbair: some days yes, some days no |
| 18:56.45 | njbair | shouldn't there have been an option whether to install x? |
| 18:56.55 | njbair | because I wouldn't have chosen it |
| 18:57.00 | rizlah | Because I am going away for a vacation for a week and will not be able to download the data. |
| 18:57.15 | abrotman | rizlah: the packages will be out of date already |
| 18:57.19 | abrotman | on the DVD i mean |
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| 18:57.43 | rizlah | s/week/weekend |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | njbair: i don't know which method you used .. but as I said, stable is probably a better route to go .. see if your video card works there, then if it does, figure out why it doesn't work .. file a bug as a regression against the version in wheezy |
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| 18:58.14 | abrotman | you know .. cause filing bugs is how things get reported so that they might be fixed |
| 18:58.42 | njbair | well actually I don't intend to keep X installed. I'll see if removing it allows me to boot to a login prompt without any trouble |
| 18:58.49 | epzil0n | Hi guys i'm running wheezy with xfce and wanted to install dmenu and now i can start it with A+F2 dmenu_run but it to start with A+F3 so how do i enable that keybinding? |
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| 19:02.05 | psiklops | epzil0n, ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml maybe ? |
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| 19:05.11 | epzil0n | i found it, it was much easier then i thought settings -> keyboard -> application shortcut and then just add it :D |
| 19:05.33 | epzil0n | psiklops: but thx anyway ;) |
| 19:05.41 | psiklops | epzil0n, :-) |
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| 19:07.09 | Trewas | rizlah: could be broken download manager, if it fails at exactly 2GB the program might be using int32 somewhere |
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| 19:11.23 | abrotman | or he could be downloading to a FAT filesystem |
| 19:11.39 | Trewas | that should be 4GB limit |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | FAT16? |
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| 19:15.17 | rizlah | abrotman: Who uses FAT? |
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| 19:15.29 | abrotman | you perhaps |
| 19:15.34 | rizlah | I do not. |
| 19:15.48 | abrotman | so it was a theory .. it's happened before |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | seems like a lot of work for a single weekend |
| 19:17.16 | rizlah | Heh, will be using the DVD for Vbox installs until the big freeze |
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| 19:17.49 | abrotman | we already covered this .. use the netinst or be smart, use the stable netinst, and upgrade to wheezy |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | your method is full of silly |
| 19:18.02 | rizlah | I already have the netinst |
| 19:18.05 | themill | does the alpha installer work at all atm? |
| 19:18.05 | abrotman | so use that |
| 19:18.09 | rizlah | In fact, the netinst is already installed |
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| 19:19.17 | rizlah | abrotman: Question here, why offer wheezy on DVD if there is no logical reason for using anything other than netinst? |
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| 19:19.46 | themill | rizlah: it's a test image... designed for testing the installer. |
| 19:19.47 | abrotman | to test the creation of those DVDs |
| 19:20.30 | rizlah | The installer differs so much you need both CDs, DVDs and everything else? Interesting. |
| 19:20.41 | abrotman | no, you don't need CDs and DVDs |
| 19:20.48 | abrotman | you seem to think you do .. but you're wrong |
| 19:20.57 | rizlah | So why provide them, if wheezy is best used on netinst (to which I agree)? |
| 19:21.04 | rizlah | That was my question |
| 19:21.23 | dvs | rizlah: Their answers make sense to me. |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 19:21.30 | abrotman | jeez you're dense |
| 19:21.55 | themill | rizlah: it was the *squeeze* netinst that you were told to use for making a wheezy install |
| 19:22.08 | rizlah | abrotman: You give conflicting answers. At first you say it's for testing the installer, yet say you shouldn't be using it. |
| 19:22.54 | abrotman | rizlah: you shouldn't be using it to install a testing system and expect it to work .. it's for TESTING |
| 19:23.10 | abrotman | and that was themill that said that |
| 19:23.15 | dvs | rizlah: It is used to test the installer and not install testing |
| 19:23.33 | rizlah | I see. So if you want a wheezy install you use the squeeze installer? Excellent. |
| 19:23.48 | abrotman | currently, that's teh best method |
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| 19:24.08 | themill | rizlah: that's what you've been told several times, yes. |
| 19:24.32 | abrotman | have they fixed the busybox issue yet? |
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| 19:28.58 | stew | rizlah: are you interested in debugging either the installer or the cd/dvd building scripts? |
| 19:29.06 | stew | rizlah: or is your goal to actually get wheezy installed? |
| 19:29.11 | stew | there are installers for each motivation |
| 19:29.16 | rizlah | Installer. Need to fix the idiotic cryptsetup issue fixed |
| 19:29.31 | Lartza | Any ideas on minimizing ram usage? |
| 19:29.31 | stew | huh? |
| 19:29.43 | themill | stew: see earlier rants and refusal to file bugs |
| 19:29.47 | Lartza | not sure what is taking the most... |
| 19:29.51 | stew | rizlah: so debugging the installer? |
| 19:30.06 | rizlah | Right |
| 19:30.26 | abrotman | stew: no, he prefers to whine about features that aren't there, yet refuses to file bugs to get those wishlist items fixed |
| 19:30.27 | themill | so you don't want the dvd for that. And you probably don't want the image for that either |
| 19:30.29 | rizlah | themill: I didn't refuse to file, and iirc I was simply stating the issue, not stomping my feet and crying about it not being fixed. |
| 19:30.48 | abrotman | rizlah: did you file the wishlist bug yet? |
| 19:30.56 | stew | rizlah: well there is certainly no reason to be downloading a dvd if you just need to debug d-i |
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| 19:31.42 | stew | rizlah: its understandable that someone would assume that your motivation would be to get wheezy installed, not debugging d-i, since this is generally an end-user support channel, and the installer development goes on in another channel |
| 19:31.51 | rizlah | Which channel? |
| 19:31.58 | rizlah | Oh, I see |
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| 19:32.03 | rizlah | #debian-next? |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | no... |
| 19:32.28 | jelly-home | #debian-boot is the d-i channel |
| 19:32.36 | rizlah | Ah |
| 19:32.39 | jelly-home | way over on oftc |
| 19:32.44 | themill | also decide if you're installing wheezy or working on the installer... you've said both now |
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| 19:33.13 | jelly-home | well the sooner the installer is fixed...? |
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| 19:33.55 | abrotman | i'd imagine it's a bit late to be altering the installer in that fashion anyway |
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| 19:34.47 | themill | enabling additional encryption options shouldn't be too had or too problematic |
| 19:34.59 | ratatata | nu |
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| 19:35.39 | rizlah | themill: Making d-i properly open/use current encrypted partitions would be, however. Hence this probably won't make it to the next stable. |
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| 19:36.43 | themill | sure. make sure you file separate bugs for these things so they don't get forgotten |
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| 19:50.22 | spnux | bonjour |
| 19:50.36 | spnux | bonsoir plutôt |
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| 19:52.51 | spnux | supposons que je cherche une personne calée Debian, mais physiquement |
| 19:53.09 | spnux | pour lui confier un boulot |
| 19:53.28 | spnux | je ferais comment , il existe un annuaire ? |
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| 19:54.10 | jelly-home | !fr |
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| 19:54.27 | spnux | oups ! sorry ! |
| 19:54.30 | spnux | :) |
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| 21:06.57 | laptnovic | Hi, my libre office have this error: https://pzt.me/9n4t@raw |
| 21:07.08 | laptnovic | And not open |
| 21:07.29 | laptnovic | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException' |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | laptnovic: which version of libreoffice ? |
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| 21:08.20 | laptnovic | Recent of debian testing |
| 21:08.34 | abrotman | 100% up to date? |
| 21:08.39 | laptnovic | yes |
| 21:09.19 | abrotman | laptnovic: so you've done your `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade;aptitude install libreoffice.org" ? |
| 21:10.03 | laptnovic | apt-get install libreoffice |
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| 21:11.06 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 21:11.19 | abrotman | i gave you specific commands |
| 21:11.20 | laptnovic | what diffence? |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | okay, good luck |
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| 21:13.10 | laptnovic | A run aptitude full-upgrade and https://pzt.me/5nnx@raw |
| 21:14.35 | laptnovic | abrotman? |
| 21:14.46 | laptnovic | https://pzt.me/5nnx@raw |
| 21:16.09 | abrotman | so your ssystem wasn't remotely up to date .. awesome |
| 21:16.44 | abrotman | laptnovic: what is uname -r ? |
| 21:17.09 | laptnovic | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:17.17 | abrotman | ugh |
| 21:17.19 | laptnovic | its? |
| 21:17.20 | abrotman | so out of date |
| 21:17.53 | abrotman | laptnovic: you should probably startwith the 'aptitude install linux-image-686' .. reboot, then do your full-upgrade with apttitude .. then see if the bug persists |
| 21:18.37 | laptnovic | okay |
| 21:18.56 | xand | 2.6.32-5 is current |
| 21:19.01 | xand | on stable... |
| 21:19.49 | abrotman | right |
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| 21:20.06 | laptnovic | I run command aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 21:20.11 | laptnovic | ok |
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| 21:21.16 | laptnovic | is best to update the system using aptitude than apt-get? I did not know that. |
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| 21:23.03 | mz|` | aptitude is just a layer upo apt-get |
| 21:23.06 | mz|` | upon* |
| 21:23.19 | mz|` | aptitude reinstall = apt-get install --reinstall |
| 21:23.20 | mz|` | etc |
| 21:23.32 | tinkster | If a postinstall script swears about "MAKEDEV: not found" - what do I need to install/change? |
| 21:23.36 | laptnovic | ah, is the same |
| 21:23.50 | laptnovic | i go reboot |
| 21:24.04 | mz|` | aptitude is slower, and download every dependency... which is bad. |
| 21:24.07 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 21:24.15 | abrotman | mz|`: that is so wrong |
| 21:24.34 | abrotman | tinkster: can you tell where it's looking for it ? |
| 21:24.37 | mz|` | wrong is not an explanation |
| 21:24.45 | simonlnu | yeh, okaaay... |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | mz|`: they have man pages, read them .. don't just make stuff up |
| 21:24.55 | mz|` | yes, sorry I have to understand :) |
| 21:25.00 | mz|` | oh okay |
| 21:25.08 | mz|` | you can't explain |
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| 21:25.16 | abrotman | sure i can, or you could read it yourself |
| 21:25.38 | themill | mz|`: aptitude is not a layer on apt-get; aptitude and apt-get both use libapt for operations. aptitude and apt-get would download the same dependencies. |
| 21:25.56 | tinkster | abrotman, aye ... thanks for the nudge; I assumed it was a package that's missing |
| 21:26.01 | abrotman | or you can make stuff up and say all sorts of things! |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | tinkster: no, makedev should be there, it's a pretty basic part of the system |
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| 21:27.36 | abrotman | tinkster: typically it lives in /sbin/ .. so if that's not in yoru path, or it has specified a different path, that may be the issue |
| 21:27.38 | mz|` | themill: abrotman: why is aptitude slower than apt-get ? |
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| 21:27.59 | abrotman | tinkster: i can't imagine /sbin/ wouldn't be in the root path |
| 21:28.50 | tinkster | Interesting ... it wasn't installed. |
| 21:28.56 | abrotman | /sbin/ ? |
| 21:29.47 | mz|` | thanks.. |
| 21:29.55 | tinkster | aptitude search makedev |
| 21:29.56 | tinkster | p makedev - creates device files in /dev |
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| 21:30.01 | tinkster | Working now |
| 21:30.05 | abrotman | uhm, okay then |
| 21:30.09 | abrotman | tinkster: is that Unstable? |
| 21:30.12 | tinkster | Nope |
| 21:30.14 | tinkster | squeeze |
| 21:30.15 | abrotman | stable? |
| 21:30.25 | abrotman | oh, well, you can file a bug, but not sure it'd get fixed any time soon |
| 21:31.02 | tinkster | Not too fussed |
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| 21:32.47 | themill | tinkster: what package was this, btw? |
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| 21:33.50 | laptnovic | I reboot e using kernel 3.2.0-2-686-pae and go to run comand aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 21:36.17 | laptnovic | https://pzt.me/9hqu@raw |
| 21:36.35 | tinkster | not an official deb ... systemimager-initrd-template-amd64 |
| 21:37.08 | tinkster | Been farting around with this for hours (spread out over several days) |
| 21:37.26 | themill | tinkster: ahh. Nothing much in debian really uses /sbin/MAKEDEV these days as udev does the work. |
| 21:37.33 | laptnovic | What say? https://pzt.me/9hqu@raw |
| 21:37.42 | abrotman | themill: i thought it was still a basic package though |
| 21:37.45 | tinkster | aight |
| 21:38.04 | themill | abrotman: Priority: extra |
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| 21:38.30 | abrotman | not base, basic |
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| 21:40.56 | laptnovic | :I go run Y O_o |
| 21:40.57 | PhoenixSTF | how bad is it if I remove pearl? |
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| 21:41.50 | tinkster | PhoenixSTF, I never heard of that package - can't be too bad |
| 21:42.01 | tinkster | Or do you mean perl? |
| 21:42.01 | PhoenixSTF | apt-get remove pearl |
| 21:42.12 | PhoenixSTF | perl |
| 21:42.14 | PhoenixSTF | yes |
| 21:42.18 | PhoenixSTF | sorry |
| 21:42.19 | themill | good luck |
| 21:42.25 | PhoenixSTF | lol |
| 21:42.37 | streuner_ | PhoenixSTF: perl is one of the basic packages in Debian... |
| 21:42.41 | tinkster | Yeah, nuh, not such a good move |
| 21:43.14 | PhoenixSTF | just checking how small can I put my system |
| 21:43.35 | streuner_ | sure, but not to remove basic packages, thats not a good idea... |
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| 21:44.13 | PhoenixSTF | were can I get a list of packeges essential for the system? |
| 21:44.21 | PhoenixSTF | *packages |
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| 21:45.26 | streuner_ | PhoenixSTF: why do you want such a mess at all? i mean, HD's are nowadays cheap... |
| 21:45.46 | PhoenixSTF | streuner_, very small VPS |
| 21:45.53 | PhoenixSTF | also to learn |
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| 21:50.28 | tinkster | thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:52.37 | PhoenixSTF | streuner_, do I need the libwww-perl? |
| 21:53.03 | Lartza | Anyone with server/VPS experience, does Ubuntu use more RAM than Debian? |
| 21:53.14 | PhoenixSTF | Lartza, yes |
| 21:53.22 | homes | that's a silly question |
| 21:53.57 | homes | PhoenixSTF: why? |
| 21:54.00 | Lartza | homes, Not really though I was 75% sure of the answer :P |
| 21:54.04 | streuner_ | *bunt* uses a linux kernel, same as Debian... |
| 21:54.06 | PhoenixSTF | i've got a vps system with around 45 megs, debian 6-64b |
| 21:54.13 | Lartza | I think Ubuntu uses more too |
| 21:54.21 | homes | 6-64 bytes? |
| 21:54.34 | PhoenixSTF | yes squeze 64 bits |
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| 21:54.45 | homes | ahh |
| 21:54.53 | nkuttler | if you don't run anything you don't need much ram |
| 21:54.56 | Lartza | PhoenixSTF, Mine uses around 46 too with nginx and php and everything |
| 21:55.05 | homes | x64, or x86-64, are more normal ways of saying AMD64/EM64T |
| 21:55.13 | PhoenixSTF | lartza sorry m8 but that is impossible |
| 21:55.22 | Lartza | PhoenixSTF, It does |
| 21:55.24 | m8 | :o |
| 21:55.26 | Lartza | second... |
| 21:55.36 | PhoenixSTF | nginx uses at least 100 mb |
| 21:55.43 | Lartza | does not |
| 21:56.07 | Lartza | ful usage is currently 267MB |
| 21:56.25 | homes | things that use up ram: kernel and userland. now since they both run linux...and you can run whatever you want in userland, i'm going o see whichever uses more RAM depends on what the system administrator doe |
| 21:56.29 | homes | s |
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| 21:56.46 | PhoenixSTF | have you checked the swap??? |
| 21:56.56 | Lartza | PhoenixSTF, Oh you are right, the server uses only 150 |
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| 21:57.20 | Lartza | so 117mb usage for rest that is nginx, php, znc, umurmurd, etc |
| 21:57.40 | PhoenixSTF | you dont have mail or mysql on that thing do you? |
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| 21:57.55 | Lartza | nope |
| 21:58.03 | PhoenixSTF | so there you go |
| 21:58.14 | Lartza | 117mb yeah |
| 21:58.18 | PhoenixSTF | even so 112 for the system somethings wrong |
| 21:58.24 | Lartza | Why? :S |
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| 21:58.36 | Lartza | highest usage is 1.8% for named -u bind |
| 21:58.45 | Lartza | then php5-cgi |
| 21:58.46 | PhoenixSTF | youve got bind |
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| 21:58.53 | Lartza | PhoenixSTF, Not sure why :S |
| 21:58.59 | Etale | Hi people! I've got a general linux question. I've used a patch for compiz, which included compiling it from source. Among other things, I had to "sudo apt-get build-dep compiz". This installed maybe 230M of random libraries. I imagine that once I've compiled the thing from source, I no longer need these libraries. How do I get rid of them? |
| 21:59.02 | Lartza | nginx uses only 0.4% |
| 21:59.04 | Etale | P.S. I've been following: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1938942 |
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| 21:59.13 | Lartza | php5-cgi is 1.3% |
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| 21:59.30 | PhoenixSTF | Etale, try #Ubuntu |
| 21:59.50 | Etale | PhoenixSTF, lol, I just get sent to this chatroom from #linux. |
| 21:59.52 | wald0 | i have good experience with linux/debian but i have never configured a web server "from scratch", so i need to create a client's machine a domain that points to a directory, how im supposed to do that ? is there any howto ? thanks |
| 22:00.01 | Etale | Alright.. |
| 22:00.26 | PhoenixSTF | Etale, this is a channel more for Debian, not many people are into ubuntu so they cant help you |
| 22:00.40 | Etale | Okey dokey. |
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| 22:02.03 | PhoenixSTF | wald0, well to point it to a specific directory is simple, if your using apache go to /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 22:02.51 | PhoenixSTF | there you can add sites and modify their target location |
| 22:03.16 | PhoenixSTF | google for apache2 sites-available how to |
| 22:04.03 | wald0 | PhoenixSTF: i see, so i suppose that the "outside world" just knows that needs to search for this domain on that machine, right ? |
| 22:04.12 | PhoenixSTF | Lartza, using memory is normal for a system, php has got some caching of its own, etc... so 267 is nice for a simple system |
| 22:04.37 | Lartza | PhoenixSTF, Yeah, with a gameserver on it's 267 currently |
| 22:04.42 | Lartza | and that's a new high actually |
| 22:05.00 | Lartza | It usually is around 230 and today VPS panel showed the record to be 254 |
| 22:05.13 | PhoenixSTF | wald0, when you ask a server for a web page you usualy ask for the domain to apache, then on sites-available you have the config for that domain name |
| 22:05.39 | PhoenixSTF | wald0, to be pointed to your server is diferent, you need a DNS server |
| 22:06.23 | PhoenixSTF | wald0, explain your problem in detail and better |
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| 22:17.33 | n-iCe | !pae |
| 22:17.34 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 22:18.04 | n-iCe | !bigmem |
| 22:18.04 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on Debian Squeeze/6.0 systems supporting <PAE>. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. See also <686-pae>. |
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| 22:43.20 | zzing | I am trying to figure out how to use aufs to merge three different paths into one, but I cannot find any documentation that works. An example of what I am trying to do is mount.aufs -o dirs=/home/projects:/home/students:/home/clubs none /User which I found on a particular site, but it says that the entire dirs option does not exist. So I don't know the proper way to do what I want. Any ideas? |
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| 23:20.19 | laptnovic | The error continue |
| 23:20.28 | laptnovic | With libreoffice |
| 23:21.39 | laptnovic | Is this https://pzt.me/9n4t@raw |
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| 23:24.28 | laptnovic | Anyone? |
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| 23:24.47 | sherl0ck | test |
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| 23:30.54 | laptnovic | libreoffice %U terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException' |
| 23:31.14 | bardzusny | laptnovic, it's not squeeze is it? |
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| 23:31.22 | laptnovic | Wheezy |
| 23:31.38 | laptnovic | Is a bug on testing? |
| 23:31.57 | bardzusny | sec |
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| 23:32.23 | laptnovic | Also, a bug on evince: (evince:3611): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evince.Default' does not contain a key named 'dual-page-odd-left' Trace/breakpoint trap |
| 23:32.42 | laptnovic | I have 2 bug |
| 23:32.48 | craigevil | so search the BTS and see if the bug exists if not file a new one |
| 23:32.52 | nsadmin | 2 bug... |
| 23:32.59 | esto | .version lsyncd |
| 23:33.01 | nsadmin | or, not 2 bug... |
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| 23:33.07 | laptnovic | Sorry, i understand a litle english |
| 23:33.08 | esto | whats the correct syntax ? |
| 23:33.18 | esto | to show all versions of lsyncd |
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| 23:33.40 | nsadmin | bug is singular, so you want bugs, which is plural |
| 23:34.02 | laptnovic | English not is my native lenguage :) |
| 23:34.06 | craigevil | ,versions lsyncd |
| 23:34.08 | judd | Package: lsyncd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.34-1; sid: 2.0.7-3; wheezy: 2.0.7-3 |
| 23:34.16 | nsadmin | no problem :) |
| 23:34.22 | laptnovic | Tranks |
| 23:34.23 | esto | thx |
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| 23:34.55 | bardzusny | laptnovic: it happened after upgrade, is that right? |
| 23:35.28 | laptnovic | Yes, I run apititude full-upgrade, but continue as this error |
| 23:35.53 | laptnovic | No* |
| 23:36.10 | bardzusny | laptnovic: try moving .libreoffice somewhere else for a second |
| 23:36.24 | bardzusny | "mv ~/.libreoffice ~/.libreoffice.bak" |
| 23:36.38 | bardzusny | then try launching libreoffice |
| 23:37.21 | laptnovic | This command not work |
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| 23:37.29 | laptnovic | File not found |
| 23:38.39 | Ariel_Calzada | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:39.07 | bardzusny | I'm sorry, try "mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffica.bak" |
| 23:39.12 | bardzusny | I'm sorry, try "mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice.bak" |
| 23:39.14 | bardzusny | * |
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| 23:39.59 | laptnovic | This? mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice.bak |
| 23:40.30 | laptnovic | ok |
| 23:41.26 | laptnovic | Yes, Work, I open libreoffice, tranks |
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| 23:41.59 | laptnovic | With evince, know how-to solve? |
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| 23:46.15 | n-iCe | hello there is a bug with unetbootin which is not registering my usb media like cd, and when I try to install debian says there is no cd inserted |
| 23:46.47 | robin_sz | hmm, why do my apt sources for lenny not work :( |
| 23:47.05 | cusco | n-iCe: sounds fine, as a usb drive should not count as cd |
| 23:47.15 | n-iCe | but cusco that's why unetbootin is for |
| 23:47.20 | n-iCe | to create a bootable usb |
| 23:47.32 | n-iCe | cusco: in debian how would I make the usb point like cd? |
| 23:47.34 | robin_sz | "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" thats correct isnt it? |
| 23:47.35 | n-iCe | in command line |
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| 23:48.02 | sney | n-iCe, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 - unetbootin is unnecessary for debian isos |
| 23:48.17 | engla | robin_sz: no, because lenny has been archived. see debian.org |
| 23:48.36 | robin_sz | oh, I am looking ... but there is a lot to look through ... |
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| 23:48.58 | n-iCe | in debian how would I make the usb point like cd? |
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| 23:49.53 | sney | n-iCe, the link I just gave you says how to install from usb. if you are asking something else, I don't understand |
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| 23:50.30 | bardzusny | robin_sz: change these to "archive.debian.org" |
| 23:50.35 | bardzusny | better yet, just upgrade to squeeze |
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| 23:51.05 | engla | robin_sz: see http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120310 |
| 23:51.13 | LtL | robin_sz: http://forum.mepiscommunity.org/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=32856 |
| 23:51.56 | LtL | robin_sz: that should give you a complete sources.list |
| 23:52.39 | robin_sz | yeah, sorted, thanks |
| 23:52.55 | robin_sz | full info was found on http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 23:53.04 | LtL | robin_sz: you may need to change 'volatile' however, see if it works. |
| 23:53.22 | LtL | robin_sz: cool. |
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| 23:54.43 | celeron366 | i am running debian gnu/linux squeeze on a very old Celeron 366 MHz laptop which has 192MB RAM which is the maximum RAM supported. Can anyone tell me what services can i safely disable and settings or config files do i have to edit to save memory? |
| 23:55.17 | sney | celeron366, from a fresh install there shouldn't be much running at all |
| 23:56.22 | Diopter | celeron366: Did you install any of the 'tasks'? Like, laptop, desktop environment, web server, dns server, etc? |
| 23:56.32 | celeron366 | i use my Celeron 366 to surf the web, listen to some music and basic word editing |
| 23:56.48 | calrogman | celeron366: Put the output of `ps ax` on a pastebin. |
| 23:56.59 | Diopter | I prefer "pstree", myself. |
| 23:57.16 | Diopter | That and pgrep/pkill make a very handy trio |
| 23:57.22 | calrogman | pstree is a shoddy ps axf, but anyway... |
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