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| 00:03.08 | celeron366 | http://pastebin.com/UQxN7Ga6 |
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| 00:03.46 | celeron366 | Diopter, i did NOT install any of the tasks you mentioned |
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| 00:03.51 | calrogman | Not much that can be disabled there. |
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| 00:04.57 | celeron366 | i edited /etc/inittab and reduced the number of ttys to just tty1 and tty2 |
| 00:05.09 | calrogman | that won't help much to be honest... |
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| 00:05.42 | celeron366 | i am running neither kde nor gnome, i use icewm |
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| 00:05.49 | calrogman | I saw. |
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| 00:07.27 | calrogman | The thing that would help most at this point would be tuning your sysctls to your usage and even that won't help much. |
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| 00:08.16 | Diopter | celeron366: You're running portmap/rpc.statd (NFS), print spooler (lpd), exim4 (a MTA), gpm (console mouse daemon). If those aren't things you need, you could at least cut them out. |
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| 00:08.54 | bardzusny | alto, avahi-daemon |
| 00:08.56 | bardzusny | also* |
| 00:09.07 | calrogman | You need an MTA for cron. |
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| 00:10.29 | bardzusny | calrogman:are you sure? (I don't have it and cron seems fine) |
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| 00:10.42 | Diopter | calrogman: You're incorrect. |
| 00:10.44 | celeron366 | calrogman: i am running a very lean desktop on my Celeron 366 Mhz 192 RAM laptop but I am sure ther must other ways I can save memory *without* recompiling the kernel or any apps. I love apt-get |
| 00:10.52 | dan408 | hi. i have a configure script that cant find openssl or libncurses5-dev using autoconf |
| 00:10.56 | dan408 | both are installed |
| 00:10.58 | calrogman | Well, you don't *need* it, but it is recommended. |
| 00:11.01 | dan408 | do i need to edit my path? |
| 00:11.14 | celeron366 | do i need avahi daemon? can i safely disable it? |
| 00:11.17 | Diopter | calrogman: Which makes it a great candidate for removal if you don't, in fact, need it. |
| 00:11.37 | bardzusny | speaking of recommended packages, they're still abused |
| 00:11.47 | calrogman | I'll give you that, they are. |
| 00:11.58 | craigevil | which is why I disable recommends in my apt.conf |
| 00:12.00 | Diopter | celeron366: Yes, if you don't use automatic network discovery of resources, such as media streaming or mDNS |
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| 00:12.52 | elsatch | hi everyone |
| 00:13.38 | elsatch | I'm trying to do a multisite install of wordpress in debian, apt-geting wordpress and doing some additional steps |
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| 00:13.56 | craigevil | you can use sysv-rc-conf to disable services you do not actually need |
| 00:14.14 | celeron366 | do i need gdomap? can i safely disable it? |
| 00:14.14 | elsatch | I'm almost done, but when I try to login to install URL i'm getting a redirect loop |
| 00:14.57 | Diopter | celeron366: Looks like it's from the "gnustep-base-runtime" package. |
| 00:15.34 | dan408 | anyone have an idea about my question? |
| 00:15.41 | dan408 | do i need to repaste? |
| 00:16.02 | bardzusny | elsatch: better not install cmses by apt-get IMO |
| 00:16.17 | supaplex | dan408: configure script for what? |
| 00:16.29 | bardzusny | elsatch: just set up webserver (I recommend nginx), mysql, then do it regular way |
| 00:16.30 | dan408 | supaplex: bitchx |
| 00:16.35 | Diopter | dan408: Did you install libssl-dev? |
| 00:16.43 | dan408 | hmm |
| 00:16.45 | dan408 | let me try that |
| 00:17.03 | craigevil | didn't bitchx die a quiet death yrs ago? |
| 00:17.06 | dan408 | no |
| 00:17.08 | stew | craigevil: yes |
| 00:17.14 | supaplex | yeah, the bx author uses irssi |
| 00:17.16 | celeron366 | Diopter, so can i safely disable gdomap or not? what about disabling timidity? |
| 00:17.18 | Diopter | craigevil: Yes. It did. There's a guy who's maintaining a fork of it, sort of. |
| 00:17.22 | dan408 | http://www.github.com/BitchX/BitchX1.2 |
| 00:17.27 | dan408 | #bitchx |
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| 00:17.42 | stew | it was removed from debian a long time ago after it was abandoned upstream, becuase anyone that tried to look into fixing the many open security bugs just found more |
| 00:17.45 | dan408 | it is now a package of fedora 15,16,17 and rawhide. |
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| 00:17.48 | Diopter | celeron366: timidity is a MIDI synthesizer. gdomap is from gnustep. Whether you can disable them or not is based on whether you need to use those things :P |
| 00:17.50 | dan408 | stew: that is correct. |
| 00:18.01 | celeron366 | gnustep? |
| 00:18.03 | supaplex | irssi++ bitchx-- |
| 00:18.08 | dan408 | stew: most of those bugs have been fixed. |
| 00:18.20 | craigevil | ugh quassel, kvirc, konversation, xchat etc lots of usable GUI irc clients in the repos |
| 00:18.27 | Diopter | celeron366: Yes. Like I said, gdomap is from the "gnustep-base-runtime" package. |
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| 00:18.41 | dan408 | anyways |
| 00:18.43 | Diopter | weechat and irssi > all |
| 00:18.54 | dan408 | my dpkg-depcheck -d ./configure |
| 00:19.01 | dan408 | tells me i need libncurses5-dev |
| 00:19.03 | dan408 | which is installed |
| 00:19.09 | dan408 | regardless of the SSL issue |
| 00:19.40 | supaplex | the configure log should be there. maybe it's a different file it's looking for in the lib. |
| 00:19.47 | dan408 | no |
| 00:19.51 | dan408 | i think the paths are hosed |
| 00:19.54 | dan408 | i installed off CD |
| 00:20.02 | dan408 | i had to manually configure sources.list |
| 00:20.05 | elsatch | bardzusny: It should be really quite straighforward |
| 00:20.05 | dan408 | just to get packages to install |
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| 00:20.29 | stew | dan408: log at config.log to see what files it is actually looking for |
| 00:20.42 | dan408 | i should have done a netinstall |
| 00:20.44 | dan408 | stew, checking now |
| 00:20.55 | dan408 | in the meantime |
| 00:20.57 | dan408 | here's the output |
| 00:21.13 | stew | installing from cd vs netinstall should have the exact same end result |
| 00:21.18 | dan408 | http://pastebin.com/5c1Qe9UR |
| 00:21.23 | dan408 | it does not. |
| 00:21.25 | Diopter | netinstall is always the way. Except when you don't have the net. In which case, it's probably still the way ;P |
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| 00:21.41 | dan408 | installed off cd1 iso |
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| 00:21.47 | dan408 | first command -> apt-get install make |
| 00:21.52 | dan408 | output: "please insert binary cd" |
| 00:22.07 | bardzusny | elsatch: of course you copied contents of /usr/share/wordpress to your /var/www (or whatever)? |
| 00:22.10 | craigevil | correct your sources.list |
| 00:22.27 | bardzusny | elsatch: and you confirmed your server runs php? and have mysql installed? |
| 00:22.29 | dan408 | already did. |
| 00:22.37 | dan408 | just pointing it out craigevil |
| 00:22.42 | dan408 | have a different issue now |
| 00:22.47 | celeron366 | i love apt-get because it installs security updates. dillo has been recommended to me but i cannot find a deb for it. i do not want to install it from source |
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| 00:22.57 | dan408 | is there an equivalent of fpaste on debian? |
| 00:23.07 | sney | !pastebinit |
| 00:23.08 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 00:23.13 | dan408 | thanks. |
| 00:23.17 | craigevil | ,versions dillo |
| 00:23.18 | judd | Package: dillo on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-2; wheezy: 3.0.2-2 |
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| 00:23.22 | elsatch | bardzusny: I just ln -s them |
| 00:23.26 | sney | ,checkbackport dillo |
| 00:23.30 | judd | Backporting package dillo in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfltk1.3-dev. |
| 00:23.51 | dan408 | lol |
| 00:23.56 | bardzusny | elsatch: ln -s is not the way |
| 00:24.03 | dan408 | "THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED." Please use Pastebin's new API |
| 00:24.05 | bardzusny | elsatch: www-data shouldn't have write access to anything in /usr/share/ |
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| 00:24.17 | sney | dan408, use -b http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 00:24.24 | dan408 | ok |
| 00:24.40 | dan408 | here is my config.log |
| 00:24.41 | celeron366 | judd, are you telling me that i can not install dillo using dpkg ? |
| 00:24.48 | dan408 | http://paste.debian.net/175021 |
| 00:24.49 | bardzusny | ,bot |
| 00:24.50 | judd | No, I'm not a bot, I'm a frontend to a database. |
| 00:24.50 | dan408 | any takers? |
| 00:25.07 | elsatch | bardzusny: any install guide for debian 6? I've been following several howtos without success |
| 00:25.13 | dokma|2 | has debian patched MySQL against the latest password vulnerability? |
| 00:25.21 | dan408 | elsatch: protip #1: use netinstall iso |
| 00:25.33 | sney | !ig |
| 00:25.34 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 00:25.40 | sney | elsatch, ^ |
| 00:25.53 | bardzusny | sney: he means wordpress |
| 00:25.53 | stew | dan408: conftest.c:92:29: error: ncurses/termcap.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.56 | bws42 | hi, I'm trying to attach gdb to a process, but it spits out "ptrace: Operation not permitted." even if I do it as root, any ideas? |
| 00:26.18 | elsatch | sorry but to clarify, any multisite wordpress installation guide for debian 6? ;) |
| 00:26.30 | dan408 | stew: yep. |
| 00:26.32 | stew | elsatch: did you check /usr/share/doc/wordpress |
| 00:26.37 | dan408 | stew: and libncurses5-dev is installed. |
| 00:27.01 | elsatch | yeah, I read README.Debian file |
| 00:27.09 | dan408 | stew: also note it cant find openssl. |
| 00:27.22 | stew | dan408: yes but it looks for that file in the wrong place |
| 00:27.23 | bardzusny | elsatch: by subdirectory or subdomain? |
| 00:27.24 | n-iCe | Hi I have installed debian with no desktop usted iwconfig with essid and key |
| 00:27.26 | stew | dan408: or with the wrong name |
| 00:27.32 | dan408 | stew: okay, how to fix? |
| 00:27.41 | dan408 | configure file? |
| 00:27.46 | dan408 | err configure.in? |
| 00:27.48 | elsatch | bardzusny: I'm setting it up by subdomain |
| 00:27.56 | n-iCe | But no internet way can it be or what ese should i do |
| 00:28.02 | stew | dan408: its /usr/include/termcap.h or libncursesw5-dev for wide character suppport |
| 00:28.08 | bardzusny | elsatch: with what webserver? |
| 00:28.12 | dan408 | ok |
| 00:28.19 | stew | dan408: yes, and all of the source files that try to include that |
| 00:28.21 | dan408 | but i believe it's using autoconf to find it stew? |
| 00:28.23 | Diopter | n-iCe: iwconfig 'key' only works for WEP security. |
| 00:28.37 | Diopter | n-iCe: You'll need to use wpa_supplicant for WPA1/2 security. |
| 00:28.42 | dan408 | shouldn't autoconf provide that info? |
| 00:28.46 | stew | dan408: yes, its using autoconf to determine that it is not compatible with the one you have installed |
| 00:28.49 | n-iCe | It is wep |
| 00:29.00 | dan408 | great |
| 00:29.01 | Diopter | n-iCe: You might want to use something like 'wicd' and 'wicd-curses' to help manage your wireless connections from the console, though. |
| 00:29.09 | bardzusny | n-iCe: set iwconfig ap, iwconfig essid, iwconfig key |
| 00:29.17 | bardzusny | all this jazz |
| 00:29.20 | bardzusny | then: dhclient wlan0 |
| 00:29.20 | stew | dan408: so you need to make whatever source code changes necessary to make it work with your libncurses-dev, or you need to get a much older libncurses |
| 00:29.21 | dan408 | stew: what about openssl? |
| 00:29.24 | stew | dan408: probably the same |
| 00:29.28 | bardzusny | (or whatever interface name you have) |
| 00:29.33 | celeron366 | is anyone here running dillo on squeeze? |
| 00:29.35 | elsatch | bardzusny: apache2, btw I linked folders following instructions from /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/apache.conf |
| 00:29.37 | dan408 | stew: how do I just completely disable the version check? |
| 00:29.38 | n-iCe | What should i write in iwconfig ap |
| 00:29.49 | n-iCe | Is not the same as essid? |
| 00:29.57 | bardzusny | n-iCe: mac address of access point |
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| 00:30.06 | Diopter | bardzusny: You shouldn't need to do that. |
| 00:30.12 | bardzusny | n-iCe: it also takes "auto" which means it should set it automatically based on SSID |
| 00:30.24 | stew | dan408: do you can get to the compilation failures quicker? |
| 00:30.26 | n-iCe | And now? |
| 00:30.36 | dan408 | hold on |
| 00:30.39 | dan408 | let me try to compile |
| 00:30.49 | n-iCe | I see my wlan1 with the essid and key |
| 00:30.50 | dan408 | this works on fedora no problem |
| 00:30.53 | bardzusny | n-iCe: does "iwconfig" show that you're associated with AP? |
| 00:30.55 | n-iCe | Mode managed |
| 00:30.57 | dan408 | thats why i think it's a path issue |
| 00:31.16 | n-iCe | No says not associated |
| 00:31.16 | Diopter | n-iCe: So try 'dhclient wlan1' |
| 00:31.19 | stew | dan408: yes, i'm telling you for sure its a path issue (at least that is the first issue) |
| 00:31.28 | stew | dan408: depending on what exactly you mean by "path issue" |
| 00:31.31 | Diopter | Or not. It needs to indicate that you're associated first, heh. |
| 00:31.34 | dan408 | stew: yes, and im saying i think it's MY default path |
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| 00:31.43 | dan408 | hold on let me paste you output of echo $PATH |
| 00:31.47 | stew | dan408: no, its certainly not |
| 00:31.48 | n-iCe | Diopter: How |
| 00:31.54 | dan408 | make compiled successfully |
| 00:31.59 | stew | dan408: if you do "dpkg -L libncurses5-dev | grep termcap.h" you'll see that termcap.h has moved a few years ago |
| 00:32.00 | Diopter | n-iCe: You might try "dmesg | tail", to see if there's something more fundamentally wrong with your wireless environment. |
| 00:32.07 | n-iCe | Ok |
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| 00:32.40 | bardzusny | n-iCe, iwlist scan will show you mac address of your AP |
| 00:32.50 | bardzusny | it looks like that: 01:51:AF:62:99:15 |
| 00:33.18 | n-iCe | bardzusny: how do i scroll up |
| 00:33.25 | dan408 | stew: ok sec |
| 00:33.27 | bardzusny | iwconfig wlan1 essid "YOURSSID"; iwconfig wlan1 ap "MAC ADDRESS OF YOUR AP"; dhclient wlan1 |
| 00:33.44 | bardzusny | n-iCe: that's good question...lol |
| 00:33.56 | dan408 | okay yes i see it's in usr include |
| 00:34.02 | stew | n-iCe: shift + pgup |
| 00:34.03 | LtL | n-iCe: iwlist scan | |
| 00:34.12 | LtL | n-iCe: iwlist scan | less ..sorry |
| 00:34.12 | dan408 | stew: where do i change the path? in all the makefiles and the configuer scripts? |
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| 00:34.25 | stew | dan408: anywhere it is wrong |
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| 00:34.42 | dan408 | stew: how to keep cross platform compilation? |
| 00:34.48 | n-iCe | Awesome lets try |
| 00:34.49 | dan408 | do we need a seperate source for debian then? |
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| 00:34.54 | stew | but one should never have to edit a configure script by hand |
| 00:35.03 | celeron366 | i find it hard to believe that no one on this channel runs dillo on squeeze! |
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| 00:35.05 | stew | dan408: no, this isn't a debian specific change |
| 00:35.14 | bardzusny | celeron366: what's the problem with it? |
| 00:35.19 | bardzusny | (I used to run it on sid) |
| 00:35.25 | celeron366 | i love apt-get because it installs security updates. dillo has been recommended to me but i cannot find a deb for it. i do not want to install it from source |
| 00:35.43 | dan408 | stew: ok thanks. |
| 00:36.20 | dan408 | stew: same thing for open ssl right? |
| 00:36.34 | n-iCe | 00:21:7c:89:c9:d9 |
| 00:36.42 | sney | celeron366, it's available on wheezy, which is getting somewhat close to a release and very close to a pre-release freeze. that's where all the focus is these days |
| 00:36.43 | bardzusny | celeron366: it's in wheezy/sid, mixing distros is not recommended |
| 00:36.56 | bardzusny | but may be your only way if you don't want to compile (I wouldn't either) |
| 00:37.12 | stew | dan408: its probably looking for an SONAME of openssl you no longer have, which means it is likely to require actual source code changes |
| 00:37.22 | dan408 | yep |
| 00:38.35 | n-iCe | Done |
| 00:38.46 | n-iCe | Dhclient Dora not say a thing |
| 00:39.06 | bardzusny | n-iCe: dhclient -v wlan1 will talk |
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| 00:39.27 | celeron366 | sney: i am running squeeze and you tell me that dillo is available on wheezy. i know mixing distros is not recommended but it is possible to install dillo from weezy repos and install it satisfying its deb dependencies |
| 00:39.32 | celeron366 | sney: i am running squeeze and you tell me that dillo is available on wheezy. i know mixing distros is not recommended but it is possible to install dillo from weezy repos and install it satisfying its deb dependencies? |
| 00:39.50 | n-iCe | Ok |
| 00:40.09 | sney | celeron366, nope |
| 00:40.29 | trysten | curses! i updated a computer and now i don't have the NIC firmware :( |
| 00:40.30 | sney | judd: checkbackport dillo |
| 00:40.34 | judd | Backporting package dillo in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfltk1.3-dev. |
| 00:40.40 | sney | celeron366, see judd's reply? |
| 00:40.41 | n-iCe | Says dhcpdiscover on wlan1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
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| 00:41.02 | bardzusny | celereon366: add wheezy repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get install -t wheezy dillo |
| 00:41.04 | n-iCe | And keeps saying the same |
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| 00:41.51 | n-iCe | In essid needs to have the " " ? |
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| 00:42.10 | sney | celeron366, do not do what bardzusny just told you |
| 00:42.34 | sney | bardzusny, you are free to make bad decisions on your own time, but this is a support channel. please do not tell people to do things that can introduce breakage. |
| 00:42.40 | n-iCe | bardzusny? |
| 00:42.55 | elsatch | bardzusny: I checked again the example file, and fixed a couple of lines without success, still getting infinite redirects |
| 00:43.21 | n-iCe | Still says not associated!!! Why!! |
| 00:43.36 | bardzusny | sney is right, it's risky |
| 00:44.18 | bardzusny | n-iCe: try configuring it using /etc/network/interfaces, as described in http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 00:44.30 | bardzusny | better yet, if you can install packages on the box in question, install wicd-cli |
| 00:44.57 | bardzusny | wicd is great network manager and wicd-cli is great console interface to it |
| 00:45.15 | n-iCe | Uhm |
| 00:45.30 | elsatch | I tried to connect to wp-admin/install.php using links in local machine, no luck: cyclic redirect |
| 00:46.08 | Diopter | bardzusny: wicd-curses is even better |
| 00:46.28 | bardzusny | Diopter++, I meant that |
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| 00:47.10 | spersaud | what do you guys think about firehost ? |
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| 00:51.52 | antiisolo | is there a secure delete for debian? mac has that option to secure delete, which writes over 7 times, debian have something similar? |
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| 00:52.03 | n-iCe | Damn |
| 00:52.11 | n-iCe | I need internet |
| 00:52.18 | LtL | antiisolo: shred |
| 00:52.35 | n-iCe | I cant associate the Ap |
| 00:52.44 | n-iCe | What can I be missing |
| 00:52.52 | bardzusny | antiisolo: secure-delete :) |
| 00:53.25 | bardzusny | but yeah, probably just shred |
| 00:53.56 | antiisolo | ok thank you |
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| 00:55.42 | n-iCe | Uhm |
| 00:56.02 | n-iCe | Any other idea bardzusny |
| 00:56.22 | bardzusny | did you try putting your configuration in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:56.40 | n-iCe | Lsmod shows rtl8187 |
| 00:56.45 | n-iCe | So is there |
| 00:57.10 | elsatch | bardzusny: I just got it, it was because of /etc/wordpress/htaccess causing the loop |
| 00:57.11 | n-iCe | The things is i dont have internet to check the how to |
| 00:58.00 | elsatch | thanks bardzusny |
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| 01:00.13 | bardzusny | n-Ice: add these lines to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 01:00.19 | bardzusny | "iface wlan1 inet dhcp" |
| 01:00.23 | n-iCe | bardzusny: wait!! |
| 01:00.28 | n-iCe | I did it!!!! |
| 01:00.37 | bardzusny | :) |
| 01:01.17 | n-iCe | Let me install irssi |
| 01:01.34 | n-iCe | What line to add |
| 01:01.43 | n-iCe | In sources list |
| 01:01.51 | n-iCe | I am in squeeze |
| 01:01.55 | n-iCe | Pls bardzusny |
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| 01:02.46 | n-iCe | How do i reconfigure my sources? |
| 01:02.47 | LtL | n-iCe: apt-get install irssi irssi-scripts # hit enter |
| 01:02.48 | bardzusny | "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" will work |
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| 01:02.54 | bardzusny | (if you don't have it already) |
| 01:02.59 | n-iCe | Thanks! |
| 01:04.27 | n-iCe | Ill be back on irssi! |
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| 01:04.35 | LtL | good album imo jethro tull |
| 01:04.46 | LtL | oops |
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| 01:06.26 | bardzusny | LtL: good band |
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| 01:10.25 | celeron366 | now that i know that i can not installing dillo without risking breaking my system, can anyone tell me if i can install netsurf? i cannot find a netsurf deb for squeeze |
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| 01:13.46 | n-iCe | hello!! |
| 01:13.49 | n-iCe | I am in Debian! |
| 01:13.51 | celeron366 | i find it hard to believe that no one on this channel runs netsurf on squeeze! |
| 01:14.10 | craigevil | ,versions netsurf |
| 01:14.11 | judd | Package: netsurf on i386 -- lenny: 1.2-1; sid: 2.9-2; wheezy: 2.9-2 |
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| 01:14.23 | n-iCe | question, when you install Debian connected to the internet, it configurates your sources.list, is there any way to do that configuration after the base system got installed? |
| 01:14.26 | nsadmin | n-iCe, in soviet russia, debian is in YOU! |
| 01:14.44 | n-iCe | <3 |
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| 01:15.08 | bardzusny | "< judd> Package: netsurf on i386 -- lenny: 1.2-1; sid: 2.9-2; wheezy: 2.9-2" |
| 01:15.11 | bardzusny | man, that's tough luck |
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| 01:15.15 | n-iCe | I'm going to install openbox, so I need xorg.conf and gdm right? |
| 01:15.20 | craigevil | ,checkbackport netsurf |
| 01:15.27 | bardzusny | n-iCe: xorg.conf is not needed anymore |
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| 01:15.43 | bardzusny | neither you have to use gdm, I just use xinit ("startx" command) |
| 01:15.49 | celeron366 | bummer! i can not install netsurf without risking breaking my squeeze system! |
| 01:15.56 | judd | Backporting package netsurf in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libxcb-icccm4-dev, libxcb-util0-dev. |
| 01:16.01 | n-iCe | bardzusny: just openbox and gdm ? |
| 01:16.19 | bardzusny | n-iCe: just xinit, xserver-xorg, openbox |
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| 01:16.24 | bardzusny | depends how minimal you want it |
| 01:16.41 | bardzusny | but that's enough...you login in console, you type "startx" to start Xorg |
| 01:17.36 | n-iCe | so, just openbox? |
| 01:17.40 | n-iCe | and startx ? |
| 01:17.50 | bardzusny | yeah, it's enough |
| 01:17.54 | n-iCe | awesome |
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| 01:19.31 | nsadmin | then after that you install whatever x clients you want |
| 01:20.57 | n-iCe | bad news bardzusny |
| 01:21.09 | n-iCe | bardzusny: I installed openbox, but startx says command not found |
| 01:22.27 | n-iCe | so xorg is needed? |
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| 01:23.18 | bardzusny | install xinit package |
| 01:23.41 | bardzusny | and probably xserver-xorg (unless it installs as dependency, I'm not sure) |
| 01:23.46 | n-iCe | ok |
| 01:23.51 | n-iCe | is xinit a boot manager? |
| 01:23.58 | bardzusny | no :) |
| 01:23.58 | n-iCe | like gdm ? |
| 01:24.01 | n-iCe | oh, ok |
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| 01:24.11 | craigevil | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
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| 01:24.54 | abrotman | he should just install the xorg package |
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| 01:26.37 | n-iCe | done, startx is working |
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| 01:30.43 | n-iCe | I am back in openbox :) |
| 01:30.45 | n-iCe | awesome! |
| 01:30.51 | n-iCe | time to configurate all! |
| 01:31.07 | dvs | !beer me |
| 01:31.07 | dpkg | pours a litre of Green Flash IPA for dvs |
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| 01:32.01 | nsadmin | !beer I |
| 01:32.01 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Batch 50 GFAR for I |
| 01:32.03 | snook | !beer me |
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| 01:32.56 | dan408 | stew |
| 01:33.00 | dan408 | i made a few changes |
| 01:33.02 | dan408 | but um |
| 01:33.14 | dvs | !tell dan408 about enter |
| 01:33.16 | Sidney__ | I installed a program called disk-manager through synaptic but cant get it to start. |
| 01:33.30 | dan408 | dvs: sorry. |
| 01:33.41 | dan408 | stew: dpkg-depcheck -d ./configure was giving erroneous output |
| 01:34.20 | dan408 | although i do believe installing libssl-dev helped, i was able to dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot no problem even with the output i was getting |
| 01:34.35 | dan408 | so no im going to try to install my .deb files on a clean install of debian6 and see what happens |
| 01:34.38 | dan408 | now* |
| 01:34.52 | nsadmin | Sidney__, does it say anything? |
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| 01:35.37 | Sidney__ | nsadmin, I get no output |
| 01:35.40 | n-iCe | 1.- Terminator installed ^^ |
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| 01:36.10 | Sidney__ | it ask for a password then try to open |
| 01:36.27 | nsadmin | oh, what dist are you running? |
| 01:36.42 | Sidney__ | debian 6 squeeze |
| 01:36.48 | nsadmin | ok, sec. |
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| 01:37.48 | nsadmin | while I'm occupied, could you look at... dpkg -L disk-manager |
| 01:38.19 | nsadmin | hmm. mine says "insufficient rights" |
| 01:38.24 | nsadmin | do you get that too? |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | Sidney__: if you run it from the xterm, what does it say? |
| 01:39.02 | Sidney__ | I get a long output |
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| 01:40.21 | nsadmin | just installed disk-manager, it seems to work |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | wow ... imagine that |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | Sidney__: is there an error before it quits |
| 01:41.13 | n-iCe | what can I use to configurate my mousepad? mouse and touchpad? |
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| 01:41.35 | Sidney__ | no error that i can see |
| 01:41.40 | Sidney__ | http://paste.debian.net/175025/ |
| 01:41.43 | abrotman | it just dies ? |
| 01:41.48 | unferth | n-iCe: do you have synaptics installed? |
| 01:42.01 | Sidney__ | it never starts |
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| 01:42.02 | unferth | or maybe it's changed names.. |
| 01:42.25 | n-iCe | unferth: is that the package manager? |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | Sidney__: dpkg -L isn't very useful |
| 01:42.34 | abrotman | n-iCe: no |
| 01:42.38 | unferth | n-iCe: no, a mouse driver package with a similar name |
| 01:43.05 | n-iCe | Package synaptics is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:43.08 | unferth | try p gsynaptics - configuration tool for pointing devices ( |
| 01:43.13 | unferth | gsynaptics |
| 01:43.42 | n-iCe | found tpconfig - touchpad device configuration utility |
| 01:43.53 | n-iCe | which one is better? |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | try them both, let us know |
| 01:44.01 | Sidney__ | abrotman, i just saw the xterm statement |
| 01:44.06 | unferth | afaik gsynaptics is the standard. |
| 01:44.09 | n-iCe | sure |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | Sidney__: you pasted dpkg -L |
| 01:44.14 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 01:44.19 | unferth | sure |
| 01:45.01 | Sidney__ | what is xterm? |
| 01:45.10 | Sidney__ | root terminal? |
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| 01:45.22 | dvs | Sidney__: A terminal for X Window |
| 01:45.37 | unferth | xterm is something most everyone uses linux should familiarize themselves with |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | .... |
| 01:45.59 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:46.22 | unferth | am i wrong? |
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| 01:46.33 | civillian | you are |
| 01:46.40 | civillian | most everyone is broken English |
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| 01:46.41 | dvs | the weakeslink |
| 01:47.29 | unferth | insert who/that/whom/ |
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| 01:48.21 | Sidney__ | You need administrative rights to start this application. |
| 01:48.31 | unferth | it's funny that a lot of internet locales have such strict language peeves when many internet users do not use english as the primary language. |
| 01:48.51 | unferth | esp. when the meaning get's across fine. |
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| 01:50.24 | abrotman | gets |
| 01:50.46 | civillian | Internet |
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| 01:51.08 | Sidney__ | No such file or directory: ' /etc/hal/fdi/policy |
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| 01:52.49 | unferth | hmm. maybe this is the tip of the debian iceberg i keep hearing about |
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| 01:53.47 | abrotman | whatever that means |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | Sidney__: install apt-file .. find out what creates that file .. install that |
| 01:55.07 | n-iCe | it does not launcg gynaptics |
| 01:55.11 | n-iCe | can't launch it :/ |
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| 01:56.23 | bardzusny | n-iCe: you have "gsynaptics" package installed and yet command "gsynaptics" doesn't work? |
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| 01:56.54 | n-iCe | yes I can't run it it is supposed to be GUI |
| 01:56.59 | n-iCe | bash: gsynaptics: command not found |
| 01:57.13 | n-iCe | gsynaptics is already the newest version. |
| 01:57.13 | p3rror | please when i try to upload a file to proftpd server |
| 01:57.13 | abrotman | as which user? |
| 01:57.19 | p3rror | i get error 550 permission denied |
| 01:57.20 | zeeble | hello. if i want to install debian on a virtual machine (virtualbox), which iso would be the one to download - the netinstall one, or a full CD? |
| 01:57.22 | n-iCe | abrotman, my user and root |
| 01:57.24 | p3rror | can you help |
| 01:58.13 | LtL | n-iCe: type `which gsynaptics` in a term |
| 01:58.37 | n-iCe | LtL: no output |
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| 01:58.58 | LtL | n-iCe: you're sure its installed? |
| 01:59.04 | n-iCe | gsynaptics is already the newest version. |
| 01:59.18 | WinstonSmith | zeeble: depends on what you want to install and on the speed of your internet connection as the netinstall downloads stuff while installling |
| 01:59.24 | LtL | n-iCe: type `whereis gsynaptics` in a term |
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| 01:59.55 | n-iCe | LtL: gsynaptics: |
| 02:00.18 | WinstonSmith | zeeble: i find it more comfortable to have the full iso, but if you only want to install a bare-minimal system that would be overkill |
| 02:00.33 | LtL | n-iCe: hrm, dpkg -s gsynaptics says installed? |
| 02:00.56 | n-iCe | This package can be purged at anytime once the gpointing-device-settings package has been installed. |
| 02:01.05 | bardzusny | ah! |
| 02:01.07 | bardzusny | gpointing-device-settings |
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| 02:01.13 | n-iCe | Status: install ok installed |
| 02:01.28 | zeeble | WinstonSmith: oh. the internet is pretty fast. so i was thinking of doing a netinstall. this is, i have never done a virtualbox debian install, so wasnt sure whether netinstall works. |
| 02:01.28 | n-iCe | bardzusny: that's installed too gpointing-device-settings is already the newest version. |
| 02:01.40 | dunib | to use software not in the repository; am I better to make && make install, or to try and learn to make a debian package? |
| 02:01.49 | WinstonSmith | zeeble: it does i can confirm :) |
| 02:01.53 | zeeble | WinstonSmith: i like netinstall - just do a bare install and get a few packages, and install xfce |
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| 02:01.56 | bardzusny | n-iCe: try command "gpointing-device-settings" |
| 02:02.04 | zeeble | WinstonSmith: lol, nice. let me download one of the new netinstall isos |
| 02:02.04 | nevyn | dunib: use checkinstall if it's not for redistribution |
| 02:02.30 | WinstonSmith | zeeble: just suit yourself & enjoy the freedom of choice that open source is |
| 02:02.33 | nevyn | dunib: checkinstall is terrible but it's better than spraying unmanaged stuff all over your install |
| 02:02.35 | WinstonSmith | bows |
| 02:03.06 | dunib | nevyn: thankyou. |
| 02:03.57 | n-iCe | bardzusny: that worked! |
| 02:04.21 | zeeble | WinstonSmith: been a while since i used it. so, will be interesting. |
| 02:04.46 | WinstonSmith | zeeble: vbox makes it so easy to play around and try stuff ;) |
| 02:05.22 | zeeble | WinstonSmith: lol. strange. a few years ago, installing debian on a pc with 64mb ram and running X was considered a luxury :/ |
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| 02:06.44 | dvs | zeeble: inflation |
| 02:06.53 | zeeble | dvs: :) |
| 02:07.37 | zeeble | i was cleaning up my website, and noticed this article i wrote back in 2000 .. where i was talking about making netscape work better on linux and there is a line in the article - not to run netscape if you have less than 32mb ram. that reminded me |
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| 02:08.06 | Sidney__ | disk-manager |
| 02:08.36 | dvs | zeeble: And how many videos could you play in a browser back then? |
| 02:09.25 | zeeble | dvs: heh |
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| 02:17.15 | zeeble | nice. netinstall image downloaded. time to install. |
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| 02:18.36 | supaplex | ugh, where did I leave that junker/reference board |
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| 02:32.18 | tintin | Hi |
| 02:32.26 | tintin | How can i install glibc debuginfo? |
| 02:33.58 | amphorion | tintin: install libc6-dev |
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| 02:38.04 | tintin | Are you sure that is the glibc debuginfo? |
| 02:38.10 | tintin | How can i install glibc debuginfo? |
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| 02:39.20 | tintin | Or is it? libc6-dbg |
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| 02:41.18 | ioio | i have an ATi 2400 Quad card so far i am able to use only one screen |
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| 02:55.17 | laptnovic | What is IRC of evince? |
| 02:57.12 | abrotman | of evince?. |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | oh .. maybe on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:57.37 | kingsley | Maybe #gnome on gimpnet. |
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| 02:58.13 | laptnovic | ok |
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| 03:04.55 | dan408 | would anyone like to test my deb package? |
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| 03:05.07 | dan408 | not sure why it compiled as amd64.deb when i had architecture any in the control file |
| 03:05.46 | dan408 | anyways its here: http://vicodan.fedorapeople.org/bitchx_1.2-1_amd64.deb |
| 03:05.52 | dan408 | please pm me results |
| 03:05.54 | dan408 | gotta run |
| 03:06.43 | supaplex | and how do you expect a binary to run on any? |
| 03:07.20 | dan408 | i dont know |
| 03:07.25 | dan408 | it works though |
| 03:07.29 | dan408 | dpkg -i the .deb package |
| 03:07.29 | dpkg | package the .deb package is already installed |
| 03:08.10 | dan408 | bbiaf |
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| 03:09.12 | LtL | dan408: that url renders in code |
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| 03:09.22 | n-iCe | was not the x0rg.conf in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 03:09.39 | dan408 | ltl: wget it |
| 03:09.43 | dan408 | ltl: works for me |
| 03:09.50 | LtL | dan408: ok |
| 03:10.03 | supaplex | apt-get install irssi > dpkg -i bitchx*deb :P |
| 03:10.06 | dan408 | thanks |
| 03:10.15 | supaplex | np ;) |
| 03:10.19 | dan408 | off to the store |
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| 03:10.53 | n-iCe | can't find the x0rg.conf |
| 03:11.07 | supaplex | p1ty |
| 03:11.18 | supaplex | !xorg.conf |
| 03:11.18 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 03:11.20 | LtL | n-iCe: there isn't one unless you generate one. |
| 03:11.26 | n-iCe | o.O |
| 03:11.43 | n-iCe | !xorg config squeeze |
| 03:11.43 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration". If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 03:12.01 | n-iCe | LtL: gynaptics asks me to add a line to the x0rg.conf |
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| 03:13.44 | KsM | Anyone else here using the 3.2.20 kernel and noticing some slightly higher than usual load average |
| 03:13.46 | LtL | n-iCe: i havent messed with xorg.conf for ages, you can try and generate one, if it works, add the line |
| 03:13.59 | KsM | or have my 2 machines and my friend just been having a weird coincidence |
| 03:14.26 | supaplex | KsM: .20? nay. just .0-2-amd64 here. |
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| 03:15.27 | ruin2it3 | finally got kde running |
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| 03:15.43 | ruin2it3 | wewt -1 perhaps, but I did it ^^ |
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| 03:16.23 | n-iCe | LtL: gsynaptic does not show to tap the touchpad to click |
| 03:16.43 | n-iCe | Enabling Touchpad Tap Clicking |
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| 03:17.29 | n-iCe | synclient TapButton1=1 |
| 03:17.31 | n-iCe | solved it |
| 03:18.15 | Diopter | synclient = win |
| 03:18.18 | Diopter | syndaemon is nice too |
| 03:18.47 | n-iCe | how can I add a menu to open a file that needs root privileges? |
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| 03:19.16 | n-iCe | sudo gedit /etc/X11/openbox/autostart.sh is not prompting a window to ask for root |
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| 03:20.19 | LtL | n-iCe: try gksu instead of sudo |
| 03:20.28 | LtL | just a guess |
| 03:20.54 | n-iCe | let's see |
| 03:20.57 | ruin2it3 | ok, one last question -- is there some specific firmware to get the onboard sound working correctly? I have sound but on boot it is reverting to default instead of using the onboard driver/firmware |
| 03:21.21 | n-iCe | nothing LtL |
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| 03:21.53 | ruin2it3 | also, if I plug in headset/speakers the sound continues |
| 03:21.58 | n-iCe | gksu-polkit |
| 03:22.01 | n-iCe | was not installed duh |
| 03:22.57 | n-iCe | awesome LtL thanks |
| 03:23.08 | LtL | n-iCe: welcome |
| 03:23.22 | ruin2it3 | !beer LtL |
| 03:23.22 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for LtL |
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| 03:24.01 | LtL | ruin2it3: thanks :) |
| 03:24.28 | ruin2it3 | ^.~ |
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| 03:25.20 | n-iCe | who is called the file manager to open .tar.gz |
| 03:25.46 | ruin2it3 | several apps can work with .tar.gz |
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| 03:25.58 | n-iCe | archive managerds |
| 03:26.16 | ruin2it3 | arc, fileroller, most support it |
| 03:26.36 | supaplex | even terminal, if you know what to type [ducking now] |
| 03:27.02 | ruin2it3 | yup |
| 03:27.12 | n-iCe | thunar-archive-plugin |
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| 03:27.13 | n-iCe | :) |
| 03:27.14 | ruin2it3 | but I'm not going there either >.> |
| 03:27.21 | craigevil | n-iCe, install xarchiver |
| 03:27.38 | supaplex | yup. technically it is an app. :) |
| 03:27.38 | LtL | n-iCe: tar -zxvf file.tar.gz |
| 03:28.15 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 03:28.35 | LtL | n-iCe: nautilus uses file-roller iirc, i dont use it |
| 03:29.01 | supaplex | or tar xvf file.tar.gz ( - is optional, as is z in modern versions anyway) |
| 03:29.03 | Diopter | "tar xzf" is the file manager to open tar.gz |
| 03:29.23 | ruin2it3 | I'm digging the new KDM |
| 03:31.04 | LtL | Diopter: thanks, didn't know that. |
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| 03:31.31 | n-iCe | I need a new kernel |
| 03:31.33 | n-iCe | !bpo |
| 03:31.34 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 03:34.37 | namoamitabuddha | How to upgrade pidgin in Debian Squeeze? |
| 03:34.39 | Diopter | LtL: Sure thing. |
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| 03:36.39 | n-iCe | in order to change the windows decorations in openbox what do I need? I installed obconf but when I select a new theme they don't change |
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| 03:36.53 | ruin2it3 | namoamitabuddha - apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:37.45 | namoamitabuddha | ruin2it3: eh, the package of pidgin in debian squeeze is obsolete |
| 03:38.07 | LtL | namoamitabuddha: check backports |
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| 03:38.20 | namoamitabuddha | LtL: no pidgin in bpo |
| 03:38.35 | LtL | namoamitabuddha: build it? |
| 03:38.37 | sney | ,checkbackport pidgin |
| 03:38.53 | judd | Backporting package pidgin in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.11.0-2), libfarstream-0.1-dev, network-manager-dev (>= 0.9.0) [linux-any]. |
| 03:38.59 | namoamitabuddha | LtL: needs new glibc |
| 03:39.19 | sney | namoamitabuddha, so you're stuck then. is it a new feature you need or do you just like bigger numbers? |
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| 03:40.19 | namoamitabuddha | sney: fix bug, which is neccessary for me. I'm now using empathy, which is not powerful. |
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| 03:41.21 | sney | namoamitabuddha, is it a known bug? |
| 03:41.40 | supaplex | firefox: sorry, you're too old for gmail. only basic html for you. |
| 03:41.44 | namoamitabuddha | sney: Fixed in preceding versions. |
| 03:41.56 | firefox | woop woop |
| 03:42.03 | firefox | I'm up to version 9999 now |
| 03:42.04 | sney | I mean, is it on the debian bts? there may be a workaround |
| 03:42.05 | firefox | That's over nine thousand! |
| 03:42.38 | supaplex | should recompile just to f4rk them over |
| 03:43.24 | namoamitabuddha | sney: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/12331 |
| 03:43.38 | namoamitabuddha | sney: I don't know whether it is in Debian BTS |
| 03:43.54 | sney | http://bugs.debian.org/ it has a decent search function. |
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| 03:46.21 | namoamitabuddha | maybe none |
| 03:46.34 | supaplex | I guess I need to backport firefox HEAD so google can suck on it. |
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| 03:48.13 | namoamitabuddha | Patch is here |
| 03:48.14 | namoamitabuddha | http://developer.pidgin.im/viewmtn/revision/info/fc48e1385d53f406de694f252adc2fd368ba1277 |
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| 03:50.46 | namoamitabuddha | ,checkbackport libpurple0 |
| 03:50.50 | judd | Backporting package libpurple0 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgadu-dev (>= 1:1.11.0-2), libfarstream-0.1-dev, network-manager-dev (>= 0.9.0) [linux-any]. |
| 03:51.28 | namoamitabuddha | ,checkbackport libgadu-dev |
| 03:51.30 | judd | Backporting package libgadu-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 03:51.47 | namoamitabuddha | ,checkbackport libfarstream-0.1-dev |
| 03:51.49 | judd | Backporting package libfarstream-0.1-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.30), libgstreamer0.10-dev (>= 0.10.33), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev (>= 0.10.33), libnice-dev (>= 0.1.0). |
| 03:51.55 | sney | namoamitabuddha, you can also /msg judd checkbackport etc... |
| 03:51.59 | sney | so it doesn't clutter the channel |
| 03:52.14 | namoamitabuddha | sney: thanks. I don't know how to use this bot. |
| 03:52.45 | namoamitabuddha | I wonder when Wheezy freezes |
| 03:52.47 | sney | I think he responds to 'help' |
| 03:52.51 | sney | should be any day now |
| 03:53.33 | sney | I mean, if this is for your personal desktop, wheezy is completely usable and you might as well just upgrade. you seem to basically know how debian works |
| 03:54.01 | namoamitabuddha | in June? |
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| 03:54.14 | sney | it was intended for june, yes |
| 03:54.35 | supaplex | no inhailour required? ;) |
| 03:54.47 | namoamitabuddha | Yeah, personal desktop. |
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| 03:55.15 | sney | note that having things installed from 3rd party repositories can cause issues with the upgrade |
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| 03:55.25 | nevyn | so I kinda want to update the nvidia factoid... |
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| 03:55.50 | namoamitabuddha | Only debian bpo is 3rd party. |
| 03:56.03 | sney | nevyn, kinda? |
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| 03:56.24 | namoamitabuddha | I've mentioned that the reference strongly suggested that we should use stable. |
| 03:56.26 | nevyn | sney: with a link to the video of linus saying how difficult they are to work with |
| 03:56.55 | nevyn | sney: it's probably not productive. |
| 03:56.57 | sney | nevyn, haha, well, I was possibly the last person to update it and I remember it being a huge pain to fit everything that's there. so I doubt you can still add stuff. |
| 03:57.04 | nevyn | heh |
| 03:57.49 | nevyn | sney: this link: http://youtu.be/19jUboon5gI |
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| 04:00.20 | sney | well, that was amusing. |
| 04:00.56 | namoamitabuddha | sney: I'm looking for an upgrade. First may I stop debian-backports then safe-upgrade? |
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| 04:01.49 | nevyn | sney: It's now my goto for everyone that comes in and says "linux works best with nvidia graphics cards" |
| 04:02.04 | nevyn | which is a less popular meme than a few years ago but still happens |
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| 04:03.24 | nevyn | sney: so like I said possibly not productive. but funny. |
| 04:03.45 | sney | dpkg, tell namoamitabuddha about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 04:04.49 | Rusty1 | +1 nevyn |
| 04:06.46 | namoamitabuddha | sney: Is testing/updates neccessary? I found it in Debian Reference Chapter 2 |
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| 04:07.13 | sney | no, stuff like updates and volatile and security don't become relevant until the release |
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| 04:08.10 | namoamitabuddha | Table 2.2 List of Debian archive sites: testing/updates security updates for testing release (important) |
| 04:08.32 | namoamitabuddha | Tip |
| 04:08.34 | namoamitabuddha | For the Debian system with the stable and testing suites, it is a good idea to include lines with "http://security.debian.org/" in the "/etc/apt/sources.list" to enable security updates as in the example above. |
| 04:08.50 | namoamitabuddha | Eh? |
| 04:08.56 | scientes | namoamitabuddha, yes |
| 04:09.12 | scientes | that is why the security line is always recommended, even though it doesn't work for sid |
| 04:09.20 | scientes | (or even testing i believe) |
| 04:09.23 | sney | yes, I know what it says. you can have it in sources.list and it will not be harmful. But it will only really be useful once 7 comes out. |
| 04:09.41 | namoamitabuddha | thanks |
| 04:10.18 | namoamitabuddha | Incidentally, aptitude is used in daily-update and apt-get is used to upgrade the whole system. Am I right? |
| 04:10.41 | scientes | yes |
| 04:11.07 | sney | no |
| 04:11.08 | namoamitabuddha | Should I clean up some registry in aptitude after upgrading? |
| 04:11.12 | namoamitabuddha | Eh? |
| 04:11.35 | scientes | oh wait, you were differentiation apt-get and aptitude, they both achieve the same thing |
| 04:12.01 | sney | aptitude and apt-get are 2 different programs that more or less do the same thing. apt-get is recommended for branch upgrades, but you could also use it for your daily updates etc and in the past aptitude has been for branch upgrades... it's best to just get to know both of them |
| 04:12.13 | sney | aptitude has better conflict resolution but it can be too clever sometimes. |
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| 04:13.36 | n-iCe | Heeeelp |
| 04:13.46 | n-iCe | My cursor dissapered |
| 04:13.49 | namoamitabuddha | scientes: They have same records? |
| 04:14.31 | LtL | n-iCe: in a terminal? try ctrl^c or type reset |
| 04:14.39 | n-iCe | No |
| 04:14.49 | n-iCe | After reboot |
| 04:14.52 | n-iCe | And startx |
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| 04:15.28 | scientes | N-I-L, /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 04:15.32 | LtL | n-iCe: no mouse cursor! |
| 04:15.37 | namoamitabuddha | scientes: I've heard that aptitude has its own records for cleverer ideas but it spoils after using apt-get? |
| 04:15.38 | n-iCe | No!!!! |
| 04:15.46 | scientes | generally you can just unplug and plug it back in too |
| 04:16.25 | n-iCe | My latop cursor is gone! |
| 04:16.39 | LtL | n-iCe: system - references - mouse, may do something, i duno |
| 04:16.52 | LtL | *preferences |
| 04:17.05 | n-iCe | Y dont have cursor to go |
| 04:18.07 | scientes | n-iCe, plug in a usb mouse |
| 04:18.58 | LtL | n-iCe: does your touchpad have a different display? |
| 04:19.18 | factor | Does the unixodbc stuff act as the DB driver |
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| 04:20.28 | n-iCe | I plugged a USB mouse |
| 04:20.33 | n-iCe | But no cursor |
| 04:21.05 | LtL | n-iCe: logout/login |
| 04:23.02 | stew | namoamitabuddha: your information is a few years outdated |
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| 04:24.16 | stew | namoamitabuddha: most people that wouls say something like that would have been worried about the "automatic" vs "manually" installed packages. This database got unified with apt 0.7 |
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| 04:25.22 | n-iCe | Same |
| 04:25.27 | n-iCe | No cursor! |
| 04:26.22 | stew | so "a few years old" is actually "a little more than 5 years old" |
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| 04:30.32 | LtL | n-iCe: you might want to look at this, `apt-cache search SYNAPTIC` |
| 04:30.51 | LtL | n-iCe: what laptop do you have |
| 04:31.38 | n-iCe | Vgn cs170f |
| 04:31.41 | n-iCe | Sony vaio |
| 04:32.01 | n-iCe | After reboot mouse dissapered |
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| 04:33.45 | LtL | n-iCe: i have a toshiba and it works perfect but im not on it atm. |
| 04:34.02 | LtL | i dont think i use gsynaptics though |
| 04:34.16 | n-iCe | How do y reconfigure |
| 04:34.26 | n-iCe | It was working |
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| 04:35.23 | LtL | n-iCe: the gpointing-device-settings package i would assume. try the mouse settings in your menu |
| 04:35.44 | n-iCe | I have no x |
| 04:35.52 | n-iCe | Since i have no cursor |
| 04:35.59 | LtL | n-iCe: oh, thought you did |
| 04:36.00 | n-iCe | Ley me try with tab |
| 04:36.20 | n-iCe | Damn |
| 04:36.22 | n-iCe | O have cursor now |
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| 04:39.30 | LtL | n-iCe: gotta go, good luck :) |
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| 04:43.14 | supaplex | cries as he seens 32bit libs install along side fglrx-driver |
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| 04:47.20 | namoamitabuddha | stew: Eh? |
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| 04:47.42 | n-iCe | http://t.co/BSazubQC |
| 04:47.45 | namoamitabuddha | stew: I know that apt-get also installs some suggested package automatically. |
| 04:47.51 | n-iCe | See that |
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| 04:48.15 | namoamitabuddha | stew: But aptitude is good at resolving dependency. Is this out-of-date? |
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| 04:50.17 | n-iCe | Antonieta? |
| 04:50.29 | n-iCe | Anyone i have no cursor mouse |
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| 04:50.50 | n-iCe | http://t.co/BSazubQC found this |
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| 04:54.19 | n-iCe | LtL: ? |
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| 05:10.11 | PrinceAMD | hey guys, how to get password-less sudo Debian/testing |
| 05:11.28 | jelly-home | PrinceAMD: read about NOPASSWD in sudoers manual and configure sudo appropriately |
| 05:13.29 | jelly-home | PrinceAMD: the EXAMPLES section might be particularly useful, before you go back to the reference above it to figure out the details |
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| 05:14.26 | Diopter | Or you can run: sed -ri 's/^(%sudo.*)(ALL)$/\1NOPASSWD: \2/' /etc/sudoers |
| 05:14.34 | Diopter | But reading and whatnot is a better plan |
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| 05:15.23 | PrinceAMD | ok, well i have sudo setup on my other box with #princeamd ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL, but this didnt work on debian |
| 05:16.08 | Diopter | PrinceAMD: Take off the # in front. |
| 05:16.25 | PrinceAMD | i just added that when i pasted here |
| 05:16.42 | Diopter | Ah. Try princeamd ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL, then |
| 05:16.50 | PrinceAMD | ok |
| 05:17.53 | PrinceAMD | there is no sudoers group, just sudo and i'm already a member is the correct? |
| 05:18.23 | Diopter | PrinceAMD: There is a 'sudo' group, but I don't know if you're a member or not. Find out. |
| 05:18.42 | Diopter | You can run 'groups', or 'id', or a variety of other methods :P |
| 05:18.53 | PrinceAMD | cat /etc/group |grep sudo |
| 05:18.53 | PrinceAMD | sudo:x:27:princeamd |
| 05:19.13 | PrinceAMD | ah groups very nice command |
| 05:19.15 | Diopter | Like that one. |
| 05:19.25 | Diopter | 'id' is handier |
| 05:19.27 | PrinceAMD | id is even more cool |
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| 05:19.31 | Diopter | Quite :) |
| 05:19.32 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 05:19.50 | PrinceAMD | adds 2 commands under his belt |
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| 05:24.02 | KidCisco | My "inittab" file starts a few "/sbin/mingetty" consoles. Question: How do I launch from my "boot.local" file the "ping" program in one of those "mingetty" consoles which "inittab" opened? |
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| 05:26.49 | jelly-home | KidCisco: whcih debian release are you using? |
| 05:27.22 | KidCisco | what? Debian does not use "inittab" and/or "boot.local"? |
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| 05:28.04 | jelly-home | KidCisco: it uses inittab. However, this is a debian-specific tech support channel. To best help you, I'd like to know which release you're using. |
| 05:28.49 | KidCisco | the latest release |
| 05:28.53 | Diopter | You could possibly add a line in inittab for /sbin/getty to use 'ping' as an alternate login program (with -l)... |
| 05:28.58 | KidCisco | latest stable |
| 05:29.01 | Diopter | But I'm not sure about passing it parameters. |
| 05:29.18 | jelly-home | KidCisco: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
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| 05:30.31 | jelly-home | KidCisco: call it a hunch, but I suspect the system you're doing this work on isn't actually Debian. You might get generic Linux help in ##linux channel. |
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| 05:31.23 | KidCisco | How does one run a program in one of the "/sbin/mingetty" consoles ? ...? conundrum, conundrum |
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| 05:32.00 | KidCisco | see, "man mingetty" does not show any options to pass a command to "mingetty" |
| 05:32.32 | Diopter | jelly-home: I'm with you. Given the boot.local and mingetty goings on. |
| 05:32.39 | KidCisco | jelly-home: ##linux only voices registered nicks. I don't have time to do that now. |
| 05:32.52 | jelly-home | KidCisco: why do you use mingetty instead of the default /sbin/getty? |
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| 05:33.15 | Diopter | Probably because whatever system he's on is using mingetty for tty1-6 |
| 05:33.17 | KidCisco | mingetty is lighter in ram usage |
| 05:33.41 | Diopter | Looks like boot.local is a SuSE thing |
| 05:34.00 | nutron | running wheezy, chromium is severly slow on rendering the more tabs I have open. What I've gathered through the internets is that somehow libcairo is to blame (I assume chromium has a hand in this as well)... what is the current known fix? Backport an older version of libcairo? Wait for a new version of either? |
| 05:34.20 | jelly-home | KidCisco: I'll defer any comments until you show this is actual debian or be frank and state it's not. |
| 05:34.46 | KidCisco | what? i cannot use mingetty in Debian? |
| 05:35.09 | KidCisco | the mingetty consoles launch without a problem |
| 05:35.21 | Diopter | nutron: I just opened like 30 new tabs in chromium on this box (testing/wheezy), and can scroll around a cnet.com page with no issue |
| 05:35.29 | Diopter | nutron: How/what are you testing? |
| 05:36.04 | jelly-home | KidCisco: you can, if you show which release you're using so I can check available options there. Please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 mingetty sysvinit | tail -3" |
| 05:36.28 | KidCisco | what? it's a sin against Debian-Allah to use "boot.local" schema in Debian? |
| 05:36.31 | nutron | Diopter: anything... open phoronix in 3 tabs... starts lagging like a mofo ... ugh it may be flash, but it happens on other sites as well .. I'm running the nvidia blob .. are you? |
| 05:36.52 | KidCisco | i have a mingetty manpage here |
| 05:37.06 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 05:37.13 | KidCisco | doesn't show any --options to pass a command to mingetty |
| 05:37.14 | Diopter | nutron: I'm on an integrated Intel GPU, got my nvidia disabled. Battery life out the wazoo on this setup :P |
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| 05:37.48 | nutron | bah... I can't track it down, except for running into a forum post on archlinux about this... |
| 05:37.56 | Diopter | nutron: No lag with phoronix.com in 3 tabs |
| 05:38.17 | nutron | w...t...f... |
| 05:38.21 | Diopter | I do think it's hilarious though that the 2nd article today is Linus' ranting about nVidia :P |
| 05:38.40 | nutron | I've already blown away every dot file/directory I could find |
| 05:39.03 | Diopter | nutron: What about .adobe or .macromedia or /etc/chromium? |
| 05:39.04 | KidCisco | Torvalds about nVidia? url? |
| 05:39.17 | KidCisco | what did Torvalds say? |
| 05:39.22 | Diopter | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyMTc |
| 05:39.31 | nutron | iceweasel acts the same... but it's been that way for eons and chalked it up to firefox sucking lately... when chromium started doing this a month or two back I assumed it's my nature of being averse to "stable" =) |
| 05:39.38 | Diopter | Lots of fun stuff, culminating in a very colorful finger pointing. |
| 05:39.50 | jelly-home | Diopter: take a nice hour-long chat session, pick out 90 seconds of middle finger showing :-| |
| 05:40.07 | Diopter | jelly-home: Of course. That's the only way to get views, didn't you know? |
| 05:40.17 | Diopter | No one actually Watches that much intelligent discussion. |
| 05:40.18 | KidCisco | i love his rants. he's usually right. like when he said ACPI is a design disaster. |
| 05:40.56 | nutron | I watched the whole talk... good stuff... and he's right .... nvidia's blob breaks a lot. But it's the only choice I have to run 3 concurrent screens |
| 05:41.09 | KidCisco | he was right. ACPI never works right |
| 05:41.24 | Diopter | nutron: Assuming you don't want to just grab an Eyefinity |
| 05:41.54 | nutron | Diopter: what? ATI? Nooo... thank you... I've wasted countless precious hours of my life on that garbage... |
| 05:42.26 | Diopter | So you'd rather go with the nvidia blob. |
| 05:42.34 | Diopter | -.- can't tell if trolling or serious... |
| 05:42.56 | nutron | ACPI is partly ruled by MS I believe and they made it hard to support for other OS'es due to them feeling that their expense in designing the thing was worth obfuscating |
| 05:43.06 | nutron | Diopter: serious. |
| 05:43.21 | nutron | Diopter: I dislike both... Nvidia feels the lesser of two evils |
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| 05:43.35 | nutron | is fglrx plug-n-play now? |
| 05:44.02 | Diopter | Pretty much. And the open drivers are pretty great as well, these days. |
| 05:44.20 | Diopter | At least in my experience on multi-monitor with some cards at work. |
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| 05:44.45 | Diopter | I don't game anymore, so I haven't had a crazy GPU in a few years. But that wouldn't address multimonitor anyway. |
| 05:44.47 | n-iCe | hi |
| 05:45.46 | nutron | Diopter: I'll have to have a closer look, I've shunned ATI for quite some time based on my disasterous results with ATI in the 03-05 years.. |
| 05:46.17 | supaplex | I have an ATI RS880M 1002:9712 and multi monitor works fine with the radeon driver. with fglrx, apparently the virtual size for randr needs to be adjusted if I want more than 1600x1600 for both screens in aggregate |
| 05:46.43 | supaplex | I'm still chipping away at the latter right now actually. :P |
| 05:47.02 | Diopter | Yeah, the blobs are annoying because they don't interact with the RandR extension intelligently |
| 05:47.14 | Diopter | Nvidia's approach is serious voodootown |
| 05:47.25 | supaplex | they all suck. :P |
| 05:47.53 | supaplex | not that I can rip out one for the other with ease in a laptop. heh. |
| 05:47.55 | Diopter | I actually wrote an automatic modeline/display switcher for the nvidia blob, using a tool they have in the nvidia-settings source tarball and a nasty bash script |
| 05:48.14 | Diopter | So the Macbook Pro I had linux on would let me plug/unplug an external display and switch for me :P |
| 05:48.22 | nutron | ack! modelines? Aren't those so ... 2007? |
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| 05:48.45 | Diopter | nutron: Technically metamodes, not really like oldschool modelines |
| 05:48.51 | Diopter | But still describing modes and displays |
| 05:49.17 | nutron | ok... well if it's not cairo... it must be flash... yucksters... when will flash finally go away? When will linux make it on the desktop? ... |
| 05:49.23 | supaplex | remember kids, editing all options in your xorg.conf keeps your manhood bigger |
| 05:49.51 | nutron | Aye. My xorg.conf gets me laid. |
| 05:49.59 | Diopter | http://pastie.org/4106779 <- nvrandr, in all its glory |
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| 05:51.01 | Diopter | Even set the xv sync to the external display on changing :P |
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| 05:51.40 | nutron | wow... although I'm not going to pretend I understand what nv-control-dpy actually does... but does the new driver not support xrandr natively? |
| 05:52.03 | Diopter | Sure it does. Through single-display metamodes. |
| 05:52.08 | Diopter | I.e., xrandr only sees one output. |
| 05:52.19 | nutron | ahh... meh... |
| 05:52.25 | Diopter | So in order to have 2+ screens, you have to have a metamode that encompasses both screens resolutions/orientations |
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| 05:52.46 | nutron | Yeah... ok well I guess it's a start... |
| 05:52.47 | Diopter | And since you could have several that total the same pixels... they index them by refresh rate :P |
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| 05:53.00 | nutron | ....? what? |
| 05:53.00 | Diopter | So you have 1920x1080 50hz, 51hz, 52hz, etc |
| 05:53.04 | Diopter | It's mega ghetto. |
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| 05:53.52 | nutron | Does ati do it better? |
| 05:54.04 | nutron | the open source drivers... do they support gl accel? |
| 05:54.11 | Diopter | nutron: Try using nvidia-settings to make a few orientations of monitors, then run 'xrandr' and look at what the list of resolutions looks like :P |
| 05:54.20 | Diopter | Yes they do |
| 05:54.21 | nutron | I have a couple x1800's lying around still.... |
| 05:55.04 | nutron | what's that other flash alternative called ...? light..something? |
| 05:55.30 | nutron | gnash is ... well nasty... |
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| 05:56.28 | Diopter | lightspark |
| 05:56.41 | Diopter | https://github.com/lightspark/lightspark/wiki/Site-Support |
| 05:57.36 | nutron | oh wow... it sucks too... |
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| 05:57.43 | nutron | aaargh! |
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| 06:00.52 | n-iCe | hello |
| 06:01.00 | KidCisco | Diopter: thanks for url for Linus |
| 06:01.34 | Diopter | Sure. |
| 06:01.37 | n-iCe | How can I make my laptop built-in mic work? |
| 06:01.39 | KidCisco | He's a gem: "NVIDIA has been the single worst company we have ever dealt with." . . . lol. I love Torvalds. |
| 06:01.44 | Diopter | nutron: Maybe try turning off flash hardware acceleration? |
| 06:01.47 | n-iCe | I have configurated in alse but nothing, not muted, volume up |
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| 06:02.43 | nutron | can' |
| 06:02.54 | Diopter | n-iCe: That's a very simple question that represents a lot of possible scenarios. Depends on a lot of things. |
| 06:02.59 | nutron | t ... the right-click menu doesn't respond... |
| 06:03.12 | Diopter | nutron: Even with only one tab open...? |
| 06:03.16 | n-iCe | Diopter: that's what I want to know :p alsa mixer is all unmuted and up |
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| 06:04.52 | nutron | attempts this |
| 06:05.13 | Diopter | n-iCe: How are you testing the mic? |
| 06:06.02 | n-iCe | gnome2 sound recorder |
| 06:06.05 | n-iCe | no sound |
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| 06:07.12 | nutron | Linux Gnome: System > Preferences > Adobe Flash Player <-- does anyone have gnome installed to tell me which binary this menu item runs? |
| 06:08.19 | Diopter | I try really hard not to have Gnome installed. But that's just me >.> |
| 06:08.30 | nutron | wow youtube is horrid now... I have to focus to another application for the video to actually render... |
| 06:08.58 | nutron | Diopter: yeah running flux here... I just read the adobe help site telling me to click that menu item :( |
| 06:09.24 | nevyn | nutron: youtube.com/html5 |
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| 06:12.02 | nutron | aye, I've done that too. but not all work |
| 06:12.33 | nutron | also it seems to be pwning chromium/iceweasel for me |
| 06:13.09 | Diopter | nutron: Maybe you should try turning off the hardware acceleration in iceweasel's preferences, in the advanced section |
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| 06:14.13 | nutron | done... and trying it out |
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| 06:15.36 | namoamitabuddha | My user is in group sudo, but I cannot use sudo, why? |
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| 06:16.29 | namoamitabuddha | %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL is included |
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| 06:19.52 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: does "id -a" confirm the shell you're trying to run sudo from is a member of sudo? If you just added yourself to a group you have to log out and log back in. |
| 06:20.39 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: thanks, I shoud log out-in |
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| 06:21.47 | nutron | wow... chromium moves like it used to... |
| 06:21.53 | nutron | sorta |
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| 06:23.44 | ak5 | hi, I am running squeeze and I need a certain package to be whatever is packaged in sid http://packages.debian.org/sid/drush I don't know how this is handled in debian |
| 06:24.43 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:25.03 | ak5 | namoamitabuddha: sorry, edit how? |
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| 06:25.29 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: let me find a reference |
| 06:25.47 | ak5 | great thanks |
| 06:26.09 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_packages_from_mixed_source_of_archives |
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| 06:27.51 | ak5 | namoamitabuddha: this seems like a scary hack |
| 06:28.19 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: ? |
| 06:28.21 | ak5 | namoamitabuddha: is there a list of 3rd party repos that I can browse? I am sure a few people have this problem |
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| 06:29.30 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: bpo? |
| 06:29.51 | ak5 | bpo? |
| 06:29.52 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: I'm upgrading debian to testing, sorry. |
| 06:29.56 | namoamitabuddha | ak5: backports |
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| 06:35.04 | n-iCe | hi, I added BPO to my sources.list and installed linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 and linux-image |
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| 06:35.17 | n-iCe | But at reboot it does not let me to boot in that kernel, what am I missing? |
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| 06:37.36 | _ramok | hi |
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| 06:37.49 | _ramok | can i somehow see th disk activitys per partition in realtim? |
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| 06:41.13 | fasta | How can I run an untrusted X program within the graphical session of a trusted user? |
| 06:42.08 | fasta | This question is the same: http://lwn.net/Articles/494066/ (without a good answer) |
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| 06:45.41 | sturles | Run it in Xnest, perhaps? |
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| 06:54.55 | jonaskoelker | when I run alsaucm, I get "ALSA lib parser.c:1261:(uc_mgr_scan_master_configs) error: could not scan directory /usr/share/alsa/ucm: No such file or directory". Apparently, `apt-file search alsa/ucm' comes up empty. Bug? My fault? What gives? |
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| 06:57.11 | Devastator- | jonaskoelker this on squeeze? |
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| 06:57.48 | jonaskoelker | I'm on testing |
| 06:57.59 | jonaskoelker | which I gather is named wheezy these days, so no |
| 06:58.19 | Devastator- | have you checked bts? |
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| 06:58.40 | jonaskoelker | I asked google... |
| 06:58.44 | jonaskoelker | google can do everything :D |
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| 06:58.51 | Devastator- | not always :) |
| 06:59.27 | jonaskoelker | as best I can tell, it's not on bts |
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| 07:00.35 | jonaskoelker | (how's bts pronounced anyways? The same way as the abbreviation of "BUg Tracking and Triaging System"?) |
| 07:01.15 | Devastator- | bug track system i guess |
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| 07:01.51 | jonaskoelker | :) |
| 07:01.58 | jonaskoelker | can you reproduce the behavior I see? |
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| 07:02.13 | Devastator- | not right now, sorry |
| 07:02.30 | Devastator- | check if is there any updates to alsa-libs |
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| 07:02.38 | jonaskoelker | alsaucm just does its thing when you run it? |
| 07:02.38 | Devastator- | alsa-lib* |
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| 07:04.24 | Devastator- | i'm not on linux atm.. |
| 07:04.31 | jonaskoelker | ah |
| 07:04.47 | jonaskoelker | my condolensces =) |
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| 07:07.57 | Devastator- | jonaskoelker do you have alsa-base installed? |
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| 07:09.56 | jonaskoelker | yup |
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| 07:10.37 | jonaskoelker | also, perhaps (ir)relevant, my sound output appears to have gone through some weird equalizer settings |
| 07:10.56 | jonaskoelker | lots of treble, faint vocals ^_^ |
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| 07:13.23 | nevyn | bee-tee-ess is how I tent to say/think it |
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| 07:14.11 | jonaskoelker | enogoof :P |
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| 07:15.30 | Devastator- | jonaskoelker alsa-utils-udeb? |
| 07:16.08 | Devastator- | nevermind.. |
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| 07:33.12 | geofix | lista! |
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| 07:47.34 | me-1 | hi....how can I install synaptic..? |
| 07:48.59 | homes | aptitude install SOMETHING generally works |
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| 07:50.34 | folivora | Gday, any idea about this problem when I start or shutdown my laptop, it hangs on Starting / Stopping ALSA. I can skip that with ctrl+c and start ALSA-utils manually from init.d. It seems that some how the init.d script isn't working on start / shutdown of pc... |
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| 07:53.11 | ak5 | is there a easy way to unstill the last packages installed? |
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| 07:58.10 | homes | folivora: could remove it from the shutdown sequence, as for boot, if you ctrl-c it does shit still work? |
| 07:58.13 | homes | me-1: yes. |
| 07:58.43 | homes | ak5: if you used aptitude there is a log kept, dunno about others |
| 07:58.43 | me-1 | homes, which? |
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| 08:00.19 | folivora | homes: yes, but that doesnt solve to problem. In start I use ctrl+c and it works after I start it manually under init.d |
| 08:01.33 | ak5 | homes: I tried putting all the installed packages into apt-cache purge, but I get this error: |
| 08:01.37 | ak5 | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! bash dash (due to bash) e2fsprogs util-linux (due to e2fsprogs) login libpam-runtime (due to login) sysv-rc (due to sysvinit |
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| 08:01.57 | ak5 | it wants to get rid of BASH all of a sudden |
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| 08:02.26 | penrod | greetings: what would be the best approach for figuring out where all space is being consumed on my root partition ? It is full, and I have checked all the obvious places ( ie. /home) |
| 08:02.51 | homes | folivora: i'd try moving it to later in the boot sequence |
| 08:03.08 | homes | penrod: du -sh /* |
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| 08:03.31 | penrod | yes, I don't see anything out of whack |
| 08:03.51 | homes | hmmm |
| 08:04.00 | homes | could be an open file handle for a deleted file i wonder |
| 08:04.08 | homes | [or stack of deleted files] |
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| 08:04.43 | penrod | homes: there are 4 directories in /proc that don't exist and du cannot access |
| 08:04.55 | homes | that's cool, /proc doesn't exist on disk |
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| 08:06.08 | penrod | could that be part of the reason my root partition is displayed as full ? |
| 08:06.45 | homes | nah |
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| 08:07.11 | intore | hi, on #dansguardian there are not people. i need to allow attachment's operation using email. at the moment it doesn't permit it. extensions like .jpg .jpeg are listed on exceptionextensionlist file but i can't attach jpg files. do you know the way to permit it |
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| 08:09.43 | me-1 | I am looking for a video editor |
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| 08:40.40 | jarco | Is it normal that if I run apt-get update that it never actually updates anything? |
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| 08:41.42 | gnarface | jarco: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 08:42.27 | gnarface | jarco: or do you mean that apt-get update never updates any actual installed software? that's expected behavior; apt-get upgrade upgrades packages |
| 08:42.39 | jarco | ohw |
| 08:42.40 | gnarface | you want to run apt-get update first |
| 08:42.41 | jarco | :) |
| 08:42.58 | gnarface | i highly recommend also that you read the apt-get manpage |
| 08:43.47 | jarco | I will do that. Now i did: "apt-get update" and after that "apt-get upgrade" and now it works like expected. Thanks. |
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| 08:47.52 | b0lt | D4rKr0W: have you noticed you're the only one in here publically announcing your presence at the keyboard in such a manner? ever wondered why that is? |
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| 08:48.14 | calamari | hi. this is a long shot.. but I'm curious if there's a program that takes a list of packages to be installed and filters it to remove any packages that would automatically be installed due to dependencies. My goal is to install an overspecified list of packages, yet preserve the autoremove information. |
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| 08:48.39 | megadeluxe | b0lt: because everyone else are to lazy to make a nick change? |
| 08:49.36 | b0lt | megadeluxe: wrong. it's because everyone else knows nobody gives a shit and don't want the spam |
| 08:49.39 | b0lt | !public away |
| 08:49.39 | dpkg | We don't care if you're 'afk' or 'having coffee' or 'doing my wife'. If we want to know, we'll /msg or /wii you. |
| 08:49.57 | digdilem_ | If latter, at least provide webcam stream |
| 08:50.09 | D4rKr0W | b0lt: the name switching? |
| 08:50.28 | b0lt | yep |
| 08:50.33 | D4rKr0W | or is it doing something else other than that? |
| 08:50.56 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. there must be an issue with my system because when i use aptitude safe-upgrade, it downloads the necessary packages but upon installing them it freezes to a certain point. for example, right now it froze to "Unpacking replacement latex-xcolor" where it says "mktexlsr: Updating /var/lib/texmf/ls-R-TEXMFMAIN..." |
| 08:50.56 | megadeluxe | then again. who reads the notifications of nick changes? |
| 08:51.10 | D4rKr0W | b0lt: is there something wrong with adding "afk" to my nick when i am afk? |
| 08:52.03 | b0lt | D4rKr0W: yes. |
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| 08:52.32 | June18 | i thought about having the clock as a nickname instead but i think b0lt would go berzerk |
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| 08:53.59 | b0lt | either you simply don't get it, or you're just being an arse. either way, i'm done with this conversation. |
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| 08:54.58 | June18 | b0lt: have you ever considered the fact that people might not agree with you? |
| 08:55.18 | digdilem_ | it's rude and annoying, has been considered so in high-traffic channels since forever. |
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| 08:55.51 | June18 | btw. this conversation is the only one today iirc :) |
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| 08:56.17 | D4rKr0W | how is it rude? it's a functionality of a software and i have use for it |
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| 08:56.53 | digdilem_ | Spamming 1161 people with entirely unnecessary nick changes? But anyway, I'm done too. |
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| 08:57.31 | namoamitabuddha | Can I use apt-get and aptitude alternatively? or I should choose one and avoid using the other? |
| 08:57.52 | b0lt | namoamitabuddha: they're interchangeable |
| 08:57.55 | XSlicer | aptitude is a front-end for apt-get |
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| 08:58.01 | b0lt | namoamitabuddha: use whichever suits your purpose at the time |
| 08:58.19 | calamari | if you're away, there's an /away command .. and /back |
| 08:58.35 | namoamitabuddha | So I can use aptitude for daily work and apt-get for upgrading system? |
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| 08:58.43 | XSlicer | yes |
| 08:58.49 | b0lt | namoamitabuddha: if you wish |
| 08:58.58 | namoamitabuddha | XSlicer: I don't think so. aptitude is a front-end of APT not apt-get |
| 08:59.13 | D4rKr0W | yes, cause its litterally killing you, digdilem_. But i guess on monday mornings everything is good to blow some steam off |
| 08:59.37 | XSlicer | yeah.. figured.. too hasty comparisation |
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| 09:01.02 | _stefanos_ | what could possibly cause this upgrade issue on my PC? aptitude safe-upgrade downloads the necessary packages just fine, but upon installing them it freezes somewhere along the way |
| 09:01.10 | _stefanos_ | it started since yesterday |
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| 09:01.28 | namoamitabuddha | testing? |
| 09:01.32 | _stefanos_ | wheezy |
| 09:01.42 | _stefanos_ | which is the same i presume |
| 09:01.46 | namoamitabuddha | Well, I'm just upgrading to wheezy. |
| 09:01.47 | b0lt | D4rKr0W: he was simply stating facts. it is considered rude, as dpkg said. rudeness seldom kills people, but it's still something to generally avoid, for obvious reasons. automatic nick changing being a "feature" of your client is a useless statement. i could perfectly well add a feature to message you about it every time i fart. that doesn't mean it needs doing. |
| 09:02.24 | namoamitabuddha | Because I heard that Wheezy would freeze in this month. |
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| 09:02.39 | _stefanos_ | yeah but not literally man! |
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| 09:03.44 | namoamitabuddha | I have just used aptitude to resolve a dependency problem |
| 09:03.46 | _stefanos_ | so what am i supposed to do that aptitude safe-upgrade got froze? |
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| 09:04.47 | namoamitabuddha | there freeze means testing->freezing |
| 09:05.10 | _stefanos_ | ok let me rephrase my line; my system got stuck |
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| 09:05.12 | _stefanos_ | how's that? |
| 09:05.41 | namoamitabuddha | Can you paste what aptitude shows somewhere? |
| 09:06.28 | _stefanos_ | namoamitabuddha, http://pastebin.com/p9aMcG8z |
| 09:06.38 | _stefanos_ | it got stuck there for more than 10 minutes |
| 09:06.43 | _stefanos_ | maybe 25 by now |
| 09:07.06 | _stefanos_ | oh s... |
| 09:07.11 | _stefanos_ | it was the scroller up |
| 09:07.13 | _stefanos_ | HAHAHAHAHAH :D |
| 09:07.16 | _stefanos_ | everything went ok |
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| 09:11.30 | XSlicer | scrolling.. mankinds most annoying feature if not realized |
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| 09:12.17 | sveajobb | Hi, anyone fiddled with LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID SAS TB (rev 03) ? I've setup a virtual drive in the raid bios, but I cannot seem to find the drive from my debian netboot installer. Any clues? |
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| 09:23.34 | project2501b | good morning |
| 09:23.57 | project2501b | if i edit something in /etc/udev/rules.d do i have to reboot for the changes to take effect or is there another way? |
| 09:24.41 | nevyn | recreate the kernel/udev event |
| 09:24.51 | nevyn | so udev responds to events. |
| 09:24.56 | nevyn | like a device appearing |
| 09:24.59 | project2501b | how, please? /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 09:25.08 | namoamitabuddha | _stefanos_: texlive? |
| 09:25.12 | nevyn | so what rule are you adding? |
| 09:25.38 | _stefanos_ | namoamitabuddha, yes |
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| 09:25.53 | project2501b | nevyn: i renumbered my net interfaces |
| 09:25.59 | project2501b | eth1 -> eth0 |
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| 09:26.22 | namoamitabuddha | _stefanos_: I don't know clearly. Can you stop the process |
| 09:26.46 | nevyn | project2501b: reboot |
| 09:27.01 | project2501b | nevyn: that's the easy solution :D |
| 09:27.08 | _stefanos_ | namoamitabuddha, if you have followed my comment it was OK; it was just the scroller moved up and couldn't see that it finished :/ |
| 09:27.08 | nevyn | you can't re-create the pci device scan easilly and the device names are probably around the other way |
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| 09:27.10 | project2501b | is there a way to do it while not rebooting |
| 09:27.12 | nevyn | project2501b: more than that. |
| 09:27.29 | nevyn | so you could drop the driver module |
| 09:27.32 | nevyn | and re-load it |
| 09:27.36 | nevyn | then restart networking |
| 09:27.44 | project2501b | ah! the driver for the interface? |
| 09:27.47 | nevyn | yes |
| 09:27.58 | sveajobb | Is there support for this device MegaRAID SAS 9266-4i in debian? |
| 09:28.09 | project2501b | nevyn: that's not so hard. |
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| 09:28.53 | project2501b | nevyn: that makes the kernel think there is a new device on the pci bus. hmmm thank god the pci spec has a reference to hotplugging |
| 09:29.07 | nevyn | well hotplugging is a different animal |
| 09:29.18 | project2501b | is it? it's still a pci bus scan |
| 09:29.21 | nevyn | it unregisters the interface name from the kernel. |
| 09:29.28 | project2501b | hm. ok |
| 09:29.40 | nevyn | hotplugging pci requires other support for stuff like powering down the slot |
| 09:30.10 | nevyn | and the real trick there is. you have 24 nic's of the same type in the machine and you want to remove 1 |
| 09:30.23 | nevyn | so you can't unload the module |
| 09:30.29 | nevyn | or you'll affect the other 23 cards |
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| 09:33.01 | mwarning | hi, I use debian unstable and apparently after an update my hostname is 0023540d2c2a now. |
| 09:33.41 | mwarning | /etc/hostname is correct, but /bin/hostname outputs garbage |
| 09:33.53 | project2501b | wonderful stuff. the other day, i found a presentation by HP from 2000, from the days of PCI 1.0 , where PCI devices are supposed to come as boxes, with the pci backplane at the long end of the card |
| 09:34.11 | project2501b | nevyn: yikes |
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| 09:35.06 | project2501b | nevyn: assuming i am really stubborn and i want to do it the really hard way, how can i initiate a PCI bus scan? |
| 09:35.27 | project2501b | by the way, pci backplane where you just pop in cards from the back would have been HUGE win |
| 09:36.08 | project2501b | it would resample the way workstations and 80s mainframes got new bling-bling on |
| 09:37.45 | project2501b | by the way, i have tried several times to restart networking using /etc/init.d/networking restart with no avail. the stanza is right, cuz when i reboot, the interface comes up juuust fine. what is the recommended way of restarting networking these days? i have not been able to restart networking using /etc/init.d/networking ever since lenny |
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| 09:39.18 | nevyn | so you don't need to |
| 09:39.24 | nevyn | re-loading the module should be enough |
| 09:39.39 | nevyn | as long as your nic driver isn't linked into the kernel. |
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| 10:02.21 | Guest58548 | hi all! |
| 10:02.32 | Guest58548 | avrotman, hi xD |
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| 10:08.29 | jagginess | hi |
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| 10:09.34 | jagginess | i had to rerun the partitioning tool in the installer because i decided i needed another partition. problem is i'm being forced to re-install and want to avoid doing so. There a command in console so i can return to the grub-install step? |
| 10:09.38 | jagginess | :/ |
| 10:10.24 | b0lt | if you've already installed, just quit the installed |
| 10:10.28 | b0lt | installer* |
| 10:10.43 | jagginess | no it isnt fininshed |
| 10:10.46 | b0lt | or select "go back", then jump to the step you were at |
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| 10:10.56 | jagginess | there's a 'Finish the installation' step after the grub-install.. |
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| 10:43.22 | project2501b | nevyn: i understand, but for argument's sake let's say i am really hard headed and i really think i should initiate a PCI bus scan. any clues how to go about it, please? |
| 10:45.22 | project2501b | i think i got it: http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/dd/pci.html |
| 10:45.35 | petemc | there is a /sys/bus/pci/rescan on an ubuntu box i have, dont see it on a squeeze vps |
| 10:46.03 | petemc | "Writing a non-zero value to this attribute will force a rescan of all PCI buses in the system, and re-discover previously removed devices. Depends on CONFIG_HOTPLUG. |
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| 10:46.28 | project2501b | brings out the pitchforks and torches on reading "ubuntu" |
| 10:47.15 | petemc | thats your prerogative |
| 10:47.36 | project2501b | thank you, though, for the info |
| 10:49.15 | petemc | checked a "real" squeeze box, its there |
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| 11:01.14 | saedelaere | hi |
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| 11:03.24 | saedelaere | we have a debian server here with three different admins working on it. we want to to log user activity in the shell. any idea? bash_history is nice but without timestamp it is worthless |
| 11:04.05 | Lartza | How do I flush the dns cache? |
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| 11:04.51 | guardian | hello. I see console-data contains keymaps for mac-usb keyboards. why is it specific to debian? can't this go upstream so that other distros benefit from it? |
| 11:04.53 | b0lt | saedelaere: you can enable timestamps for bash history |
| 11:05.07 | b0lt | saedelaere: but if your admins are not 100% trustworthy, it's absolutely useless |
| 11:05.23 | saedelaere | you mean because they edit it |
| 11:05.27 | b0lt | saedelaere: yes. |
| 11:05.30 | saedelaere | right :) |
| 11:05.32 | saedelaere | hmm |
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| 11:05.38 | b0lt | saedelaere: what is the purpose of logging their commands? |
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| 11:08.01 | saedelaere | b0lt: we have one admin who normally does not work with linux machines. but politics dictate he gets an account on the server. as there where already some minor incidents we want to know exactly what he does :) |
| 11:08.36 | Lartza | Nothing I tried works when I flush :/ |
| 11:09.38 | b0lt | saedelaere: you could enforce the use of logged sudo |
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| 11:09.50 | b0lt | saedelaere: or trust he doesn't know how to edit his .bash_history and enable timestamps (rtm) |
| 11:10.03 | b0lt | saedelaere: or, for more advanced logging, check out snoopy or auditd |
| 11:10.12 | b0lt | saedelaere: (and remote logging, of course) |
| 11:10.20 | b0lt | saedelaere: depends on how much of an overkill you want :) |
| 11:10.26 | _ramok | hi |
| 11:10.48 | _ramok | is it possible to see the activity of a partition? something like the write/read operations that are currently running? |
| 11:10.49 | b0lt | saedelaere: if you have auditd logging every command to a remote machine he doesn't have access to, you should have pretty good control over what's going on |
| 11:10.59 | b0lt | _ramok: have you checked out iotop? |
| 11:11.40 | b0lt | _ramok: there are several more advanced programs as well. with nice graphs and such. google would help for a comparison. |
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| 11:13.18 | saedelaere | ok activated timestamps for bash_history. overkill is not what I want :) but I will have a look at auditd. maybe it is not that much work... |
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| 11:13.24 | saedelaere | thanks! |
| 11:13.53 | greenmang0 | can anybody confirm if this is an up-to-date version of Java Policy ? http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/ |
| 11:14.11 | b0lt | saedelaere: snoopy is easier to set up, but auditd is *much* more configurable |
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| 11:15.03 | themill | saedelaere: you may also like to look at "etckeeper" |
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| 11:30.35 | itsrachelfish | What does << mean in a package dependency? |
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| 11:30.40 | itsrachelfish | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-gnutls |
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| 11:30.48 | itsrachelfish | dep: python (<< 2.7) |
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| 11:33.04 | themill | itsrachelfish: strictly less than |
| 11:33.29 | themill | itsrachelfish: (and since python is 2.6 in squeeze, that's not an issue) |
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| 11:34.45 | SLFCore | greetings |
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| 11:36.07 | Dark3nedFaith | is there a chat for debian testing? |
| 11:36.25 | b0lt | not specifically |
| 11:36.27 | b0lt | try here |
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| 11:37.10 | Dark3nedFaith | ok, well I just installed the amd64 lxde-xfce image onto my laptop that has an amd a6-3400m |
| 11:37.30 | Dark3nedFaith | and upon boot I get screen tearing and then a black screen and nothing else |
| 11:37.32 | jelly | Dark3nedFaith: yes. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not on this network) |
| 11:37.37 | jelly | !testing |
| 11:37.37 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 11:37.38 | Dark3nedFaith | after the grub |
| 11:37.43 | jelly | erm. |
| 11:37.49 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 11:37.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 11:37.54 | Dark3nedFaith | kk |
| 11:37.56 | Dark3nedFaith | thx |
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| 12:25.49 | sveajobb | what would be the easiest way to clone a linux installation from one drive to another? |
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| 12:26.10 | sveajobb | in this case it's from an usbstick to a local harddrive |
| 12:26.18 | abrotman | the whole instal, or just the packages? |
| 12:26.24 | sveajobb | the whole install |
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| 12:27.17 | sveajobb | I had to install to a usbstick first so I could upgrade the kernel and thus get a newer module of the raid controller... |
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| 12:27.57 | sveajobb | I could also suffice with "starting" a netinst or similar from within my os and install it to the local disk, is that a possibility? |
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| 12:29.57 | Woet | I have "d-i preseed/run string killnetwork" in my preseed which causes the network to get configured as mentioned in the preseed. This works fine on servers where the uplink is eth0, but won't download/run on servers where the uplink is eth1. How to solve it? |
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| 12:45.44 | joar | whenever I try to open a link in gnome-terminal, it opens an empty Iceweasel window |
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| 12:46.51 | Dark3nedFaith | anyone know how to install firmware-linux-nonfree files from a usb stick in the debian rescue mode shell |
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| 12:48.19 | ksk | Dark3nedFaith: dont know this shell, but: mount it, install the package with "dpkg -i" |
| 12:48.44 | esto | ,versions zabbix-agent |
| 12:48.46 | judd | Package: zabbix-agent on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.6-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze2; sid: 1:1.8.11-1+b1; wheezy: 1:1.8.11-1+b1 |
| 12:48.46 | Dark3nedFaith | I've been trying dpkg -i however it can't seem to find the files |
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| 12:49.16 | cemiotic | dpkg -i * |
| 12:49.17 | dpkg | installs * into cemiotic's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 12:49.27 | Dark3nedFaith | and I'm taking about the interative shell from rescue mode |
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| 12:50.42 | cemiotic | Dark3nedFaith: from grub rescue mode - command line |
| 12:51.18 | Woet | I have "d-i preseed/run string killnetwork" in my preseed which causes the network to get configured as mentioned in the preseed. This works fine on servers where the uplink is eth0, but won't download/run on servers where the uplink is eth1. How to solve it? |
| 12:52.16 | cemiotic | Woet: /etc/network/interfaces => eth0 |
| 12:52.25 | jargon- | anybody having any experience with these newfangled h264 videos and making them play on vlc without the video jittering, halting and scrambling constantly? |
| 12:52.30 | Woet | cemiotic: excuse me? i'm talking about preseed and the installer here. |
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| 12:53.47 | cemiotic | Woet: Network: /etc/network/interfaces; /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:54.07 | Woet | cemiotic: again, excuse me? i'm talking about preseed and the installer here. |
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| 12:54.31 | cemiotic | Woet: do not /msg a bot |
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| 12:55.31 | Dark3nedFaith | when I run dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree_0.35_all.deb it says that it connot access the archive and that there's no such directory |
| 12:55.40 | Dark3nedFaith | cannot* |
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| 12:58.20 | bardzusny | Dark3nedFaith: outside possibility is that you're not typing it correctly |
| 12:58.43 | bardzusny | make sure you're in the right directory ('ls' shows your deb file) and maybe try running dpkg using wildcards, to be sure |
| 12:58.49 | cemiotic | http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/ |
| 12:58.53 | bardzusny | as in: "dpkg -i firmware*deb" |
| 12:59.02 | Dark3nedFaith | kk |
| 13:00.13 | cemiotic | dpkg -i | --install package_file... |
| 13:00.13 | dpkg | removes a speen from cemiotic and replaces it with | --install package_file... |
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| 13:02.10 | themill | wonders who cemiotic thinks he's helping |
| 13:03.10 | Woet | is awaiting a ban for cemiotic |
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| 13:03.47 | nkuttler | as in: "dpkg -i firmware*deb" |
| 13:05.21 | Woet | I have "d-i preseed/run string killnetwork" in my preseed which causes the network to get configured as mentioned in the preseed. This works fine on servers where the uplink is eth0, but won't download/run on servers where the uplink is eth1. How to solve it? |
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| 13:06.06 | cemiotic | Woet: ifup eth1 |
| 13:06.16 | Woet | themill: can you please get rid of cemiotic? |
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| 13:06.56 | themill | cemiotic: do you have a debian support question that you want help with? If not, I suggest that you find some other channel to play in |
| 13:07.30 | Woet | thanks |
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| 13:10.21 | superlinux-hp | hi all. anyone here plays the game TORCS? i just could not know how to refuel the car |
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| 13:12.07 | alex- | What is the name of the openssh channel?P |
| 13:12.47 | joar | alex-: try searching the web. |
| 13:13.07 | nkuttler | alex-: or ask in an openbsd channel |
| 13:13.09 | joar | alex-: I presume you're looking for the IRC channel? |
| 13:13.19 | alex- | yes |
| 13:13.31 | nkuttler | alex-: and /msg alist help |
| 13:13.40 | nkuttler | alex-: /msg alis help |
| 13:13.43 | alex- | * alist :No such nick/channe |
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| 13:14.05 | alex- | doesn't shows me ssh channel |
| 13:14.11 | stew | i doubt there is one |
| 13:14.15 | alex- | There is |
| 13:14.34 | nkuttler | sure there is, just use alis.. |
| 13:14.41 | alex- | I did |
| 13:14.44 | alex- | No ssh there |
| 13:14.48 | nkuttler | the name is also surprisingly obvious |
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| 13:15.19 | alex- | found it, it was #openssh |
| 13:15.19 | pbr_ | Hello everyone, does anyone remember alternative for pbuilder which was not using using sudo and keep everything in image file? (not pbuilder-uml) |
| 13:16.11 | stew | cowbuilder? |
| 13:16.26 | stew | i'm not sure I understand the question though |
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| 13:17.36 | pbr_ | stew: this one, thank you very much :) |
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| 13:17.55 | Woet | I have "d-i preseed/run string killnetwork" in my preseed which causes the network to get configured as mentioned in the preseed. This works fine on servers where the uplink is eth0, but won't download/run on servers where the uplink is eth1. How to solve it? |
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| 13:18.48 | boudiccas | Woet: if you dont get an answer to your question here, then why not email the mailing list about it and get far more people viewing it? |
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| 13:19.43 | Woet | boudiccas: because the previous message I sent to the mailing list were unanswered. |
| 13:19.47 | Woet | messages even |
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| 13:20.29 | jargon- | i installed libavcodec53 and set vlc to Skip all H.264 In-loop deblocking filter |
| 13:20.37 | jargon- | it's working fine now |
| 13:21.12 | superlinux-hp | hi all. anyone here plays the game TORCS? i just could not know how to refuel the car |
| 13:21.27 | superlinux-hp | or refill the car i mean |
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| 13:22.12 | aminpy | I installed debian in kvm |
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| 13:22.17 | aminpy | and I have this problem |
| 13:22.17 | epzil0n | Hi guys, i'm running xfce 4.10 in wheezy but many plugins for the panel are not working so i wonder if anyone got any suggestion what i can do to make it work? It would be enough to just get a couple of plugins working like the volume control and the weather.. |
| 13:22.33 | aminpy | loading linux ... unaligned pointer ... aborted. press any key to exit. |
| 13:22.37 | aminpy | can anybody help me? |
| 13:23.53 | stew | epzil0n: i assume you've searched around the bts? |
| 13:24.15 | epzil0n | stew: bts? |
| 13:24.21 | stew | !btssmite epzil0n |
| 13:24.22 | dpkg | beats epzil0n around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if epzil0n is running testing or unstable |
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| 13:24.38 | stew | that should probably be more drastic than chainsaw if you are using experimental |
| 13:25.24 | epzil0n | yeah i am using experimental |
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| 13:25.44 | themill | !pal epzil0n |
| 13:25.45 | dpkg | points at epzil0n and laughs |
| 13:25.55 | stew | aminpy: what version of grub? |
| 13:26.13 | epzil0n | :( |
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| 13:28.38 | b0lt | epzil0n: you shouldn't be running experimental. it's going to break. |
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| 13:29.12 | epzil0n | but just speaking generally, i have read in the forum that it's possible to compile 4.10 yourself so would it be difficult to do it at this point since i already installed it? |
| 13:29.28 | epzil0n | b0lt |
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| 13:29.48 | epzil0n | sry, yeah i know that |
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| 13:31.50 | epzil0n | since i had it in Xubuntu and Voyager i wanted to have it in wheezy too and it's just some plugins that i wanted that wont work so overall i'm happy with it ;) |
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| 13:34.19 | war9407 | em: Internal Error, No file name for libbz2-1.0 |
| 13:34.21 | war9407 | how tofix? |
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| 13:34.56 | stew | war9407: what are you doing when you get that error? |
| 13:36.24 | war9407 | stew: its a debian bug, testing got broken but I cant find any fix, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:36.34 | war9407 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676635 |
| 13:37.42 | stew | war9407: do you have multi-arch enabled? |
| 13:38.08 | war9407 | I saw that, no I do not,i use x86_64 but have compat. turned on for i386 |
| 13:38.17 | war9407 | dpkg --add-architecture amd64 |
| 13:38.17 | dpkg | no idea, war9407 |
| 13:38.28 | stew | hu? |
| 13:38.35 | stew | war9407: what do you mean by "have compat. turned on for i386" ? |
| 13:38.41 | war9407 | in the kernel |
| 13:38.46 | war9407 | support for i386 |
| 13:39.00 | war9407 | I ran the dpkg --add-architecture, still failed. |
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| 13:39.33 | war9407 | deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal main universe |
| 13:39.34 | war9407 | ah fun |
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| 13:39.56 | stew | war9407: and you are running quantal? |
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| 13:41.09 | war9407 | stew: no, but updated apt.conf accordingly, still broken |
| 13:41.17 | stew | war9407: what release are you running? |
| 13:41.33 | stew | war9407: and what exact version of the 'dpkg' package do you have installed? |
| 13:41.52 | war9407 | Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.16.3 (amd64). |
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| 13:42.07 | stew | war9407: what is that? |
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| 13:42.16 | war9407 | stew, what you asked for |
| 13:42.24 | war9407 | stew, Debian Testing (amd64) and 1.16.3 |
| 13:42.46 | stew | war9407: what does this "deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal main" thing have to do with anything? |
| 13:43.02 | war9407 | nothing |
| 13:43.04 | war9407 | added deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
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| 13:43.11 | war9407 | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, still failed |
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| 13:43.57 | themill | war9407: can you start again at the beginning and show us real output in a pastebin? Please leave out descriptions like "still failed" that tell us absolutely nothing. |
| 13:44.03 | stew | war9407: this quantal line has nothing to do with anything, you just made it up? |
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| 13:44.20 | war9407 | stew: it is listed here: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 13:45.11 | war9407 | themill: http://pastebin.com/QPhpxVmq |
| 13:46.02 | stew | certainly does look like multi-arch is enabled |
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| 13:46.44 | stew | war9407: what does "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" return? |
| 13:47.06 | war9407 | stew: NULL, nothing |
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| 13:47.37 | stew | war9407: why did you add "[arch=amd64,i386]" to sources.list? |
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| 13:48.27 | war9407 | stew: followed example here though it might help http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO under Setting up apt sources |
| 13:48.41 | war9407 | stew: but did not make any difference |
| 13:48.49 | stew | war9407: but that is setting up sources for multi-arch under ubuntu, and you don't seem to have either multi-arch or ubuntu |
| 13:49.14 | tremon | war9407: that section states that those lines are not necessary for Debian (which is why there are only Ubuntu examples) |
| 13:49.19 | themill | war9407: that page also tells you that you don't need to do that. It also tells you to do lots of other things that you've not done, it seems. |
| 13:49.25 | tremon | lol |
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| 13:49.31 | themill | war9407: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy dpkg apt libbz2-1.0 libb6 multiarch-support" |
| 13:49.46 | tremon | war9407: does every apt operation result in the same error? |
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| 13:50.01 | war9407 | tremon: yes |
| 13:50.04 | war9407 | themill: sec |
| 13:50.38 | war9407 | http://pastebin.com/pF6iWwNj |
| 13:50.44 | war9407 | at the end I try to remove irssi (example) for tremon |
| 13:50.49 | war9407 | and it fails w/same error |
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| 13:52.21 | tremon | war9407: your apt is not up-to-date, which may not explain the issue but I'd advise you to update it manually |
| 13:52.26 | stew | war9407: getting apt current would probably be a good idea |
| 13:52.34 | tremon | :) |
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| 13:53.02 | tremon | I'd manually download both apt and libbz2-1.0 and reinstall them with dpkg -i |
| 13:53.17 | war9407 | k |
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| 13:53.46 | war9407 | libbz2 went ok, apt needs libapt |
| 13:53.46 | louiedog | Has anyone had any problems with the wheezy repo's the past 12 hours? I have 2 different machines that are failing updates. |
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| 13:54.12 | tremon | louiedog: which mirror? |
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| 13:54.25 | louiedog | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 13:54.54 | stew | louiedog: failing how? can you show us the actual transaciton in a pastebin? |
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| 13:55.23 | louiedog | Im getting 404's on translation files |
| 13:55.34 | themill | louiedog: real output in a pastebin please. |
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| 13:56.58 | tremon | war9407: did reinstalling only libbz2 fix the issue? |
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| 13:57.06 | fasta | I have a line (without quotes) "host all postgres 127.0.0.1 password" in pg_hba.conf, but I still get: FATAL: no pg_hba.conf entry for host "127.0.0.1", user "postgres", database "postgres", SSL off after a /etc/init.d/postgresql reload. Why? |
| 13:57.22 | louiedog | http://pastebin.com/JvJxXdQX |
| 13:57.30 | louiedog | I hope I did that correctly. |
| 13:58.31 | stew | louiedog: what version of apt is installed? |
| 13:59.02 | louiedog | apt-get version is 1.5 |
| 13:59.21 | war9407 | thanks, it worked, so the fix (b/c I know this channel is logged and put on the web) download libbz2-1.0_1.0.6-3_amd64.deb libapt-pkg4.12_0.9.6_amd64.deb install, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get -f install if needed |
| 13:59.26 | stew | judd: versions apt |
| 13:59.27 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; sid: 0.9.6; wheezy: 0.9.6 |
| 13:59.27 | themill | louiedog: how did you determine that? |
| 13:59.39 | stew | his time machine told him |
| 13:59.58 | war9407 | one more error: /var/cache/apt/archives/owserver_2.8p15-1_amd64.deb this must be a bug too, cannot upgrade it, will go bts |
| 13:59.59 | louiedog | apt-get --version |
| 14:00.52 | stew | louiedog: are you running debian? |
| 14:00.59 | tremon | war9407: did you have an apt crash/unclean shutdown on this machine? It sound like apt's datafiles were corrupted |
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| 14:01.37 | louiedog | /etc/debian_version says wheezy/sid |
| 14:01.51 | war9407 | tremon: there was one in the past 4 months 1-2 weeks ago, so I suppose that is a possibility, aside from editing the scripts one at a time to fix Is there an easier way? |
| 14:02.03 | stew | louiedog: can you actually show us what "apt-cache policy apt" says? 1.5 is not a version that actually exists |
| 14:02.24 | stew | war9407: the easier way, is, of course, to run stable |
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| 14:02.56 | tremon | war9407: editing which scripts? |
| 14:03.33 | war9407 | tremon: invoke-rc.d: initscript owserver, action "stop" failed. -- the init script, will do that |
| 14:03.46 | louiedog | stew: 0.9.3 |
| 14:04.07 | war9407 | tremon: fixed |
| 14:04.11 | war9407 | thanks for the help |
| 14:04.20 | stew | louiedog: i'm surpised that is all it says, but in any case, it means that your apt is not up to date |
| 14:04.24 | tremon | yw |
| 14:04.27 | war9407 | what happeend with that libbz2 thing is there a page that describes it all somewhree? as I have other debian systems |
| 14:04.55 | stew | war9407: what fixed the problem for you? getting apt up to date? |
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| 14:05.17 | tremon | war9407: I'm not sure, maybe you can fire off an e-mail to the apt-devel mailinglist to ask about the error |
| 14:05.44 | stew | tremon: since he already is looking at an open bug about the issue, that's a better place than a mailing list |
| 14:05.50 | war9407 | stew: I had previously added an exit 1 in that script because it was blocking other stuff, removed it and that fixed it (owserver) but owserver started to barf earlier due to the libbz2 issue and after awhile (didnt have a lot of time earlier) I had to look at it later |
| 14:05.50 | war9407 | ok |
| 14:06.20 | louiedog | stew: Thank you for your help. I appreciate it. |
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| 14:06.50 | stew | war9407: but the libbz2 issue is now resolved for you? |
| 14:07.01 | war9407 | yes |
| 14:07.07 | stew | war9407: and what resolved that issue? |
| 14:07.15 | stew | war9407: was it upgrading apt? |
| 14:07.33 | war9407 | 2s |
| 14:08.12 | tremon | stew: the bug he linked was filed against wine and closed there, not considered as an apt problem |
| 14:08.29 | tremon | (that tends to happen when two errors are filed as one bug) |
| 14:08.34 | war9407 | tremon: but everyone is looking there, should I not e-mail that bug id? |
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| 14:09.29 | tremon | war9407: for posterity, you might want to send a mail to explain how you fixed it. But I wouldn't discuss/enquire about the apt bug there |
| 14:09.40 | stew | oh i didn't look closely at the title to see that it was two different bugs |
| 14:09.52 | war9407 | k |
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| 14:11.02 | stew | anyway, if the solution is "use a current apt" that is probably not worth talking to bugs about |
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| 14:14.25 | war9407 | submitted the following to submit@bugs.debian.org -- http://pastebin.com/izMAazjH |
| 14:15.18 | stew | war9407: uh, you are reporting bugs against a version of apt which is not available |
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| 14:15.49 | stew | war9407: make sure it is marked as done |
| 14:16.41 | war9407 | stew: ok, but did not get an email back yet |
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| 14:17.34 | stew | war9407: well when you do, you should mark it as fixed in 0.9.6 |
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| 14:21.51 | matlads | what is sid |
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| 14:21.59 | stew | !sid |
| 14:22.00 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 14:22.06 | stew | !unstable |
| 14:22.06 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 14:22.07 | matlads | :) |
| 14:22.31 | dvs | moves his toys to a safe place |
| 14:22.31 | stew | matlads: sid is the codename for debian unstable. its where brand new packages which have had little or no testing get uploaded to |
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| 14:22.43 | stew | matlads: its named after the kid in toy story that breaks toys |
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| 14:24.09 | stew | dpkg: sid =~ s/^/The codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in toy story that breaks toys./ |
| 14:24.10 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain '^' |
| 14:24.23 | stew | dpkg: you suck |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 14:24.52 | b0lt | is pretty sure that contained ^ |
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| 14:25.20 | stew | (fixed in /msg) |
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| 14:27.08 | PhoenixSTF | I am trying to remove several packages i get a error E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 14:27.25 | PhoenixSTF | I dont have exim 4 installed.... |
| 14:27.35 | blackshirt | what the debian kfreebsd channel |
| 14:27.36 | stew | PhoenixSTF: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:27.44 | PhoenixSTF | stew 6 |
| 14:27.53 | themill | PhoenixSTF: are you trying to migrate from ssmtp to exim4 or something? |
| 14:28.10 | PhoenixSTF | nop just removing apache php related packages |
| 14:28.29 | PhoenixSTF | I dont even have exim4 installed |
| 14:28.38 | themill | what mta do you have? |
| 14:28.44 | PhoenixSTF | mta? |
| 14:29.02 | themill | !mta |
| 14:29.03 | dpkg | A Message/Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 14:29.12 | PhoenixSTF | sorry dummy me |
| 14:29.19 | PhoenixSTF | postfix and dovecot |
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| 14:30.05 | PhoenixSTF | ok i see the rpboblem |
| 14:30.16 | PhoenixSTF | when i try to remove postfix is wants to install exim |
| 14:31.04 | PhoenixSTF | whats the command to remove withouth installing |
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| 14:32.39 | PhoenixSTF | done sorry and thanks |
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| 14:32.50 | stew | PhoenixSTF: what does this return: aptitude search '~i~Dmail-transport-agent' |
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| 14:33.31 | PhoenixSTF | stew I had to remove my MTA and MDA before I remove apache and php libs |
| 14:34.04 | themill | you shouldn't need to do that :( but yeah, switching from something to exim4 seems to create this immediate-configuration crash |
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| 14:35.20 | PhoenixSTF | trying to remove apache and stuff before postfix made some postfix stuff to be remove and dependencies to be installed, in this case exim4 |
| 14:36.01 | PhoenixSTF | stew themill thanks m8s |
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| 14:43.12 | zamba | in which log files can i determine when a NIC lost connectivity? |
| 14:43.36 | zamba | i have two conflicting log entries.. in kern.log i have the following: Jun 15 14:34:24 fused kernel: [14778167.869209] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth3: link is not ready |
| 14:43.38 | nkuttler | zamba: /var/log/messages |
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| 14:44.36 | zamba | and since i'm running radvd i also have this: |
| 14:44.38 | zamba | Jun 14 21:00:59 fused radvd[28262]: interface eth3 is not RUNNING |
| 14:44.40 | zamba | Jun 14 21:00:59 fused radvd[28262]: interface eth3 does not exist, ignoring the interface |
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| 14:45.01 | zamba | so which one can i trust? |
| 14:45.23 | bardzusny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.32 | zamba | yeah, and that's what i'm looking for |
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| 14:45.37 | epsilon | or the interface is gone |
| 14:45.40 | zamba | because the cable was disconnected at a time |
| 14:45.47 | zamba | and i need to pin-point -when- it happened |
| 14:45.51 | epsilon | I see no conflict |
| 14:45.52 | zamba | because this is a criminal act |
| 14:46.10 | zamba | why no conflict? |
| 14:46.23 | epsilon | both says interface is gone |
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| 14:46.27 | zamba | radvd reported about this the night before |
| 14:46.34 | zamba | see the timestamps |
| 14:47.08 | epsilon | find out what happened to eth3 |
| 14:47.15 | zamba | huh? |
| 14:47.26 | zamba | the cable got disconnected because someone stole the unit it was connected to |
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| 14:47.41 | zamba | and i'm trying to figure out when this happened to eth3 |
| 14:47.47 | bardzusny | zamba: there are probably many "link is not ready" messages in logs |
| 14:47.51 | arcsky | if i want to RDP to my windows machine from my home how do i setup a tunnel with putty and make a tunnel to my debian box? |
| 14:47.53 | zamba | bardzusny: not really, no |
| 14:47.54 | epsilon | so the unit was stolen at the moment of first error log or before that |
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| 14:48.13 | epsilon | grep all logs for eth3 |
| 14:48.19 | zamba | that's what i'm doing |
| 14:48.21 | epsilon | rgrep eth3 * in /var/log |
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| 14:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: Tunneling with putty is well documented but not within the scope of Debian support. |
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| 14:50.07 | zamba | so it could be that the link is not ready message will be several hours delayed? |
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| 14:50.26 | epsilon | depends what triggered it |
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| 14:51.12 | epsilon | for me it sounds like some script/cronjob tried to ifup eth3 and it failed cause it's long gone |
| 14:51.15 | zamba | ok, what kind of dependencies are you referring to? |
| 14:51.18 | zamba | ah, ok |
| 14:51.45 | epsilon | same for radvd, it tried to use eth3 and it wasnt there at that moment |
| 14:51.54 | zamba | i have iptables logging for new connections and the last entry was 20:51:16 on june the 14th |
| 14:52.23 | zamba | so it's safe to say that the unit in the other end was stolen between 20:51:16 and 21:00:59 on june the 14th |
| 14:52.31 | epsilon | well that's matching with radvd's log |
| 14:52.36 | zamba | yup |
| 14:52.51 | epsilon | you log all new connetions? |
| 14:52.59 | zamba | yeah |
| 14:53.05 | zamba | it's for splunk |
| 14:53.06 | epsilon | you must be bored... |
| 14:53.18 | zamba | oh, no.. it's an excellent tool |
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| 14:54.06 | scwizard | I have to use centos now because work. selinux is going to drive me insane :( |
| 14:54.09 | scwizard | I miss you debian! |
| 14:55.02 | dvs | debian turns its back on scwizard |
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| 14:55.48 | scwizard | :'( |
| 14:56.31 | jhutchins_lt | scwizard: Just set it to permissive and watch the log files fill. |
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| 15:06.32 | jagginess | hi |
| 15:07.37 | jagginess | problems here when trying grub-install /dev/sdc6 (/dev/sda and /dev/sdb get printed with errors about 10 times-- these disks are have ldm and arent used by linux at all) |
| 15:07.45 | jagginess | gd it |
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| 15:12.27 | jagginess | anybody knows what i can use to try to force grub to ignore /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ? i tried working with a custom device map |
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| 15:14.14 | sney | jagginess, well you don't want to install grub to /dev/sdc6 because that's a logical partition and your bios won't be able to find that, try /dev/sdc |
| 15:15.25 | johnny53287 | hello, i want to install a storage server wuth drbd and gfs2 with debian wheezy. when i want to install gfs2 from the debian repositories, apt want to instaal deps like libavahi-client, corosync, openipmi, snmp and many more - around 64 packages . maybe some of them are useful, but is there a way to install gfs2 without installing all of them? |
| 15:15.54 | jordanm | johnny53287: -R |
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| 15:16.31 | b0lt | johnny53287: why would you want to run a storage server on a non-stable version of debian? |
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| 15:17.00 | johnny53287 | it is for testing, not a prod sys |
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| 15:18.05 | b0lt | johnny53287: see if --no-install-recommends narrows it down for you, perhaps |
| 15:18.08 | b0lt | johnny53287: (apt option) |
| 15:18.13 | johnny53287 | i am really wondering about "libavahi-client" |
| 15:19.35 | johnny53287 | with the option "--no-install-recommends", apt wants to install 62 packages :( |
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| 15:20.45 | stew | johnny53287: exactly which package are you installing? |
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| 15:22.16 | johnny53287 | i run "aptitude install gfs2-tools" and "apt-get install gfs2-tools", other give me same result |
| 15:22.35 | stew | judd: depends gfs2-tools wheezy |
| 15:22.36 | judd | Package gfs2-tools in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libncurses5 (>= 5.5-5~), libtinfo5, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), psmisc, cman. |
| 15:22.50 | stew | that doens't look like it would pull in any of the stuff you are talking about |
| 15:23.06 | johnny53287 | strange |
| 15:23.13 | stew | judd: does it also try to install that stuff if you just run "aptitude -f install" ? |
| 15:23.19 | stew | (with no package name) |
| 15:24.11 | craigevil | apt-get install gfs2-tools on sid with recommends disabled in my apt.conf, wants to install 46 packages |
| 15:24.31 | craigevil | so 62 on a new system is probably about right |
| 15:24.34 | johnny53287 | i tested it "aptitude -f install" and it wants to install nothing |
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| 15:24.54 | stew | oh, cman is the culprit |
| 15:25.03 | stew | judd: depends cman wheezy |
| 15:25.04 | judd | Package cman in wheezy/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.7), libccs3 (>= 3.0.12), libcman3 (>= 3.0.12), libconfdb4 (>= 1.4.2), libcpg4 (>= 1.4.2), libdlm3 (>= 3.0.12), libdlmcontrol3 (>= 3.0.12), libfence4 (>= 3.0.12), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), liblogthread3 (>= 3.0.12), libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.0~1.9b1), libsackpt3 (>= 1.1.4), libvirt0 (>= 0.1.1), |
| 15:25.05 | judd | libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), corosync (>= 1.2.1), openais (>= 1.1.1), python, openipmi, sg3-utils, python-pexpect, libnet-snmp-perl, libnet-telnet-perl, snmp, telnet | telnet-client, openssh-client, python-openssl, libxml2-utils,debconf | debconf-2.0. |
| 15:25.15 | craigevil | that would do it |
| 15:26.38 | chemistrydioxide | Can someone help me? I'm having trouble with DVDs. My debian system reads CDs fine but DVDs have stopped working (They used to work before). |
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| 15:27.24 | johnny53287 | yes, it is cman |
| 15:28.06 | craigevil | chemistrydioxide, what changed? what apps? do you have libdvdcss2 installed? |
| 15:28.26 | chemistrydioxide | libdvdcss is not the issue |
| 15:28.41 | chemistrydioxide | It's installed |
| 15:28.58 | chemistrydioxide | What I can't do is mounting a DVD |
| 15:29.18 | chemistrydioxide | Even DVD-ROMs don't work |
| 15:29.19 | craigevil | stick a dvd in the drive then take a look at dmesg |
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| 15:30.02 | johnny53287 | thanks for help, i think i am going to install all of the stuff, it is just for testing :) |
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| 15:31.05 | chemistrydioxide | Weird |
| 15:31.10 | jagginess | sney: i'm doing a chainloading to stage1 from a special boot loader.. btw that can be done either on dosmbr or gpt (i'm using gpt btw)-- thanks for trying though |
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| 15:31.41 | jagginess | (and stage1 is insertable on a logical partition in dosmbr-- should be) |
| 15:31.50 | sney | jagginess, if you have a special configuration you need to mention that when you ask your question... |
| 15:32.28 | jagginess | sney: true-- but do you know what ldm is? |
| 15:33.17 | sney | the only one that comes to mind is the windows tool but somehow I doubt that's what you're talking about |
| 15:33.20 | jagginess | (if anyone wants to help thats fine-- but a site says grub supports ldm even though i'm getting errors) |
| 15:33.54 | cusco | hello folks |
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| 15:34.28 | cusco | I know I should not be asking this, but can I convert a audio from WMA to a rather suitable format such as wav or ogg ? |
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| 15:35.06 | cusco | sox can use ffmpeg, but the final audio output has.. 'cuts' in the sound |
| 15:35.38 | rizlah | ... |
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| 15:35.48 | jagginess | cusco: if you can play wma then it should be possible |
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| 15:36.04 | rizlah | ffmpeg -i song.wma -acodec ogg ... |
| 15:36.07 | cusco | jagginess: I can play it with 'play -t ffmpeg file.wma' |
| 15:36.09 | rizlah | Or whatever the syntax. |
| 15:36.13 | jagginess | cusco: google "list of audio convert in linux site:wikipedia.org" |
| 15:36.24 | jagginess | cusco: ffmpeg can convert too... |
| 15:36.28 | chemistrydioxide | mount failed once and dmesg shows lots of errors but now I can see the disk and mount it |
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| 15:36.37 | chemistrydioxide | seems I encountered a Heisenbug |
| 15:36.45 | cusco | jagginess: sox is the best out there, but its using ffmpeg lib, and the output sound its not as good |
| 15:36.53 | cusco | ok... well thanks |
| 15:37.04 | chemistrydioxide | craigevil: thx for your help |
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| 15:43.16 | a_337 | question : The consequence of an undefined variable is undefined behaviour? |
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| 15:43.41 | a_337 | whoa, wrong channel |
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| 16:00.38 | LordDeath | is mysql logging failed login attempts somewhere? |
| 16:00.52 | b0lt | mysql logs in /var/log, i would assume |
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| 16:01.11 | LordDeath | somehow it is disabled |
| 16:01.17 | LordDeath | 0 bytes here |
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| 16:01.23 | LordDeath | in my mysql.log |
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| 16:08.08 | b0lt | LordDeath: check your settings in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 16:10.19 | LordDeath | b0lt: thx |
| 16:10.24 | LordDeath | I see why it is disabled |
| 16:10.30 | LordDeath | "# Be aware that this log type is a performance killer." |
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| 16:11.31 | bitHipy | my Euro symbol doesn't work in squeeze |
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| 16:12.16 | bitHipy | under system>keyboard>layouts>options>Adding Eurosign to certain keys>5 |
| 16:12.35 | bitHipy | win-5 should make a Euro symbol, no? |
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| 16:13.07 | bitHipy | this worked on Etch |
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| 16:15.56 | bitHipy | ah, I needed a "3rd level chooser".. € |
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| 16:16.18 | bitHipy | needs to give more respect to HELP buttons |
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| 16:21.40 | drakej | Does anyone have any experience with truecrypt? I have a user that wants it installed, but it looks like a security risk to me. (Licensing is not a consideration here). |
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| 16:22.29 | rizlah | drakej: What about it? |
| 16:23.00 | drakej | rizlah: Can a truecrypt disk be mounted without priviliges being increased? |
| 16:23.31 | rizlah | From what I know, no. |
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| 16:23.42 | rizlah | There may be some workaround. |
| 16:23.46 | rizlah | But not one I'm aware of. |
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| 16:24.19 | drakej | In that case, I have my answer. I cannot allow its installation, and no time to really research the matter. |
| 16:24.28 | drakej | Thank you for your knowledge. |
| 16:24.53 | sney | you should check with your user re: whether they really want ONLY TRUECRYPT or just any filesystem encryption |
| 16:25.18 | b0lt | drags: encfs can |
| 16:25.20 | sney | I've talked to a lot of users who request branded stuff but are really using it as a generic term |
| 16:25.20 | b0lt | gah |
| 16:25.25 | b0lt | drakej: ^ |
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| 16:26.03 | drakej | That is a generic term? Usually I expect it to be for portability of files. |
| 16:26.05 | drakej | But I can ask. |
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| 16:26.39 | b0lt | drakej: generic, as in they say "truecrypt" but want encryption |
| 16:27.09 | sney | right |
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| 16:27.45 | drakej | hmm, I am usually around computer science people, so that is likely why I haven't heard of it. |
| 16:28.14 | sney | especially if they asked for it out of the blue. they probably heard a review from someone else. |
| 16:28.36 | b0lt | drakej: huh? |
| 16:29.17 | drakej | b0lt: Computer Science people tend to be more specific in what they want. |
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| 16:29.59 | b0lt | drakej: neh. maybe when it comes to computers, but they'll still ask for "velcro" when they want to glue something together and remove it easily. same thing. |
| 16:30.12 | drakej | sure |
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| 16:30.36 | carlo | hi |
| 16:30.43 | drakej | carlo: Salve! |
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| 16:31.21 | karluzz | hi |
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| 16:32.57 | karluzz | i've a problem with a ramdisk. Sometimes i want to unmount it and then remount it but i'm unable to unomunt it because it give me an error, something like "there are file used by some app. try fuser or lsof to find out what app" |
| 16:34.41 | karluzz | i tried lsof and fuser but no app is using that directory. so i removed all the files from the ramdisk and i 've seen that "df -h " says the ramdisk has circa 50 MB occupied. But i had no files anymore on the ramdisk and fuser and lsof give no results |
| 16:34.46 | karluzz | how can i do? |
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| 16:34.57 | jordanm | karluzz: mount -o remount /path ? |
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| 16:35.39 | stew | karluzz: what is your motivation for unmounting in the first place? |
| 16:35.47 | karluzz | jordanm: hmm i dont think it could work. isnt "mount -o remout /path" the same as "umount /path;mount /path" ? |
| 16:36.16 | tremon | karluzz: it is not the same |
| 16:36.18 | karluzz | jordanm: the problem while unmounting is that it says that i have used files in that dir |
| 16:36.28 | stew | karluzz: try "fuser -m /mountpoint" |
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| 16:36.40 | tremon | ... as root |
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| 16:36.50 | karluzz | tremon: so if i use "mount -o remount " it will remount also if some files are used ? |
| 16:37.03 | stew | karluzz: why do you want to remoount it? |
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| 16:38.56 | karluzz | stew: i wanted to remount because i needed to be sure no files on that dir were used . (because an app gived an error and i wanted to know if it was due to an old file deleted but still in use) |
| 16:39.01 | tremon | karluzz: remounting implies that the device and mountpoint remain the same, only the options change |
| 16:39.30 | stew | karluzz: then -o remount is not what you want, obviously |
| 16:39.41 | stew | karluzz: fuser -m |
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| 16:39.53 | usr_share | I'm sorry, but could anyone tell why doesn't subpixel rendering turn off even when both /etc/fonts/conf.d and ~/.fonts.conf tell that it should be off? |
| 16:39.53 | tremon | karluzz: try umount -f and watch the app crash and burn |
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| 16:40.33 | usr_share | strangely enough, when I'm running a normal session manager supporting font configuration (gnome, xfce, lxde), subpixel rendering does turn off |
| 16:40.46 | tremon | karluzz: a mountpoint may also be in use if a process has some subdir as its working dir |
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| 16:41.18 | tremon | i.e. (cd /mnt ; sleep 60)& will not allow you to umount /mnt for the next minute |
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| 16:41.30 | karluzz | tremon: stew: indeed what i wanted to understand was: "why 50 mb was still used if i had no files on that ramdisk? also i closed everything ( X ) and fuser and lsof couldnt find nothing. |
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| 16:42.11 | karluzz | tremon: stew: thanks , i'll try " fuser -m " and "umount -f" next time i have that problem (it happens each almost 3 days ) |
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| 16:42.27 | stew | karluzz: no, you don't want "umount -f" |
| 16:42.39 | tremon | am I confused again? |
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| 16:43.26 | tremon | well it was what I intended... why not stew? |
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| 16:43.43 | karluzz | tremon: (about the subdir as working dir) i closed *all* the shells / xterms that were using that dir. That's the problem: still 50 MB were used O.o |
| 16:44.15 | stew | tremon: you think that he should figure out what is using the mountpoint by breaking stuff? |
| 16:44.34 | tremon | well, if all else fails, try a bigger hammer? |
| 16:44.44 | karluzz | tremon: also "(cd /mnt;sleep 60)& " would be detectable via lsof and i saw nothing like that. |
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| 16:45.22 | tremon | karluzz: yes I understand, the situation would confuse me too |
| 16:46.02 | karluzz | stew: yes, as a last resort i think it's useful to know how to force an umount. Also it is possible i have some rootkit or something, that's maybe an explanation about the missing results of lsof.. |
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| 17:00.49 | karluzz | tremon: stew: thanks for the infos :) |
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| 17:16.56 | menace | i have a kernelmodule which i have deb-packaged, but it should be already run in the initramfs.. how can i insert "drivername" into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? a simple <echo "drivername" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules" in my postinst-script doesnt work and /var/log/dpkg.log doesnt complain either... |
| 17:17.32 | menace | any hints or insights? |
| 17:18.08 | tremon | menace: I'd try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 17:18.16 | tremon | at least I think it's there |
| 17:18.17 | jordanm | menace: look at an existing packaged 3rd party module, or even better, use dkms |
| 17:18.44 | menace | Jordannm: i already use dkms. but it just wont add the modules to the initramfs.. |
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| 17:19.33 | menace | if you have another kernelmodule which is extra-packaged, please name one.. i don't know of any :( |
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| 17:21.39 | tremon | menace: how about dropping a generator script in /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/? |
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| 17:22.46 | jordanm | menace: nvidia |
| 17:22.54 | jordanm | menace: virtualbox, etc |
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| 17:44.48 | jhutchins_lt | It's a pretty well known phenomenon that when someone tries to free space on a full or nearly full drive, disk space utilities like df and du won't see the space as free instantly. I think I remember seeing an explanation for that once, but I don't remember what it was exactly. |
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| 17:48.29 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:49.05 | Madoka-Kaname | E: Release file for http://mirror.nus.edu.sg/Debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 5d 15h 26min 46s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 17:49.06 | Madoka-Kaname | Eh? |
| 17:49.08 | Madoka-Kaname | What's the meaning of this? |
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| 17:49.45 | n-iCe | Madoka-Kaname: check your connection |
| 17:50.08 | ratatata | nu |
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| 17:50.40 | Madoka-Kaname | n-iCe, I connect to the server fine |
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| 17:51.58 | engla | Madoka-Kaname: that's a secondary mirror, a primary mirror might be better? |
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| 17:53.41 | Madoka-Kaname | engla, just tried it, seems to work. |
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| 17:55.53 | aaa801 | how would i get the source for a package that isnt avilable for my arch |
| 17:56.06 | aaa801 | Specificaly libnautilus-burn-dev |
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| 17:57.59 | engla | aaa801: it doesn't seem to have a source package, it must have been removed http://packages.debian.org/sid/libnautilus-burn-dev |
| 17:58.23 | aaa801 | D:, so what would i do if its needed to build a package? |
| 17:58.26 | aaa801 | program* |
| 17:58.56 | engla | maybe this http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/libnautilus-burn-dev/ |
| 17:59.22 | aaa801 | maybe |
| 17:59.23 | aaa801 | Thanks |
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| 18:06.17 | rustyargh | Hi all, can anyone think why du would list a directory at 400G and nautilus properties at 25G? |
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| 18:07.53 | geekbri | I'm trying to rebuild a debian package from its source, yet it seems to build a .deb with everything except the binary. It also spits out an error about unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}. Anybody have an idea how I can get to the bottom of how to fix this? |
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| 18:16.45 | psiklops | rustyargh, maybe Nautilus istn't finished yet |
| 18:16.47 | psiklops | :-) |
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| 18:19.06 | SpeedyG | hey, is there an easy way to merge multiple mp3-files into one mp3-file in debian? |
| 18:20.47 | psiklops | SpeedyG, maybe ffmpeg? |
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| 18:22.20 | rustyargh | psiklops, pretty sure it is, did fsck |
| 18:22.31 | amphi | SpeedyG: cat ;) |
| 18:22.41 | rustyargh | and it offered to fix some inodes, now everything seems foobar |
| 18:22.55 | amphi | SpeedyG: mplayer has no problem with two mp3s catted together, at least |
| 18:23.15 | jelly-home | amphi: cat doesn't detect mp3tags and clean them up |
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| 18:23.52 | amphi | you don't say |
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| 18:25.57 | jelly-home | it just expects petting and feeding and a clean sandbox |
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| 18:27.45 | Areckx | jelly-home:: who, me? |
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| 18:30.38 | jelly-home | Areckx: it's a nature of irc to connect in and join in the middle of a conversation and misinterpreter. Do not fall into that trap. http://bash.org/?207373 |
| 18:31.58 | jelly-home | wonders where all the typos and thinkos come from |
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| 18:33.23 | kevlarman | jelly-home: falling into that trap is half the fun of irc |
| 18:33.30 | Areckx | jelly-home:: just making some light humor orz |
| 18:34.38 | Areckx | has been in the IRC dungeon since 2003 |
| 18:35.04 | Areckx | or space compartment with an mp3 player and a toaster... |
| 18:35.23 | Areckx | either is an acceptable description of IRC |
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| 18:36.41 | cusco | hi |
| 18:36.56 | cusco | any tool to generate prime number list up to a specified limit ? |
| 18:38.14 | Areckx | LMFAO http://bash.org/?1605 |
| 18:38.23 | GNU\colossus | if you don't need it as fast as possible, it's rather trivial to implement yourself. sieve of eratosthenes comes to mind. |
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| 18:38.53 | Areckx | cusco:: there's a debian IRC network, btw, this is the ubuntu network |
| 18:38.58 | jelly-home | cusco: sadly I have to defer you to the default answer: have you done "apt-cache search primes" or "apt-cache search sieve prime" yet |
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| 18:39.22 | jelly-home | Areckx: this is the Freenode network that Ubuntu has chosen to host their channels. |
| 18:39.31 | flower | lol |
| 18:39.34 | borcean_ | Hello, I've been having some issues with the netinstall for 6.0.5 |
| 18:39.37 | borcean_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUGKjDwg1oGPKG56T0yB71Lg&feature=player_detailpage&v=J2OkLu_EcRI |
| 18:39.50 | Areckx | I noticed, but it still says in xchat as "Ubuntu" kind of silly |
| 18:39.54 | flower | best joke that day ive heard, Areckx |
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| 18:40.39 | borcean_ | I can load up the disc but when I select install or graphical install my system freezes. Any suggestions? |
| 18:40.46 | Areckx | I'm glad this channel isn't as strict as the #debian OFTC network |
| 18:41.00 | Kripos | I want to marry Debian. |
| 18:41.09 | flower | im glad with both networks |
| 18:41.13 | Areckx | marries Kripos |
| 18:41.15 | Hydroxide | Areckx: same chanops, same policies |
| 18:41.18 | Areckx | HAH |
| 18:41.23 | jelly-home | Areckx: it's pretty much as strict, since most ops and all the rules are the same |
| 18:41.23 | sney | Areckx: don't get too comfortable. |
| 18:41.34 | rm-rf | should i expect to be able to install debian over a wireless WPA2-PSK network, or does the installer not support that? |
| 18:41.39 | Areckx | bah then why did someone link to bash.org? |
| 18:41.51 | Kripos | says yes |
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| 18:41.54 | Areckx | that's a cue to me that it's a social channel... |
| 18:41.55 | jelly-home | is not an op, and it was relevant |
| 18:41.55 | Hydroxide | rm-rf: it's supported in the installer for wheezy and later, but not squeeze unfortunately |
| 18:42.08 | jelly-home | Areckx: it's not. There's a #debian-offtopic here as well. |
| 18:42.10 | rm-rf | Hydroxide: ok, thanks |
| 18:42.22 | rm-rf | i tried with the wheezy installer, but it still wouldn't connect to my network |
| 18:42.23 | jelly-home | Areckx: I apologize for the mislead. |
| 18:42.40 | Hydroxide | rm-rf: however, if you install via a different network, it should be able to use it just fine after installation, assuming you install the relevant packages (will be pulled in by Desktop environment) |
| 18:42.49 | Areckx | meh init 6 |
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| 18:43.03 | rm-rf | it didn't even find my AP, even though it is set to broadcast. I tried removing encryption just for the sake of simpleness, and it still wouldn't connect |
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| 18:45.44 | borcean_ | Is there a specific channel for support? |
| 18:46.01 | dmbaturin | My microphone keeps turning off for some reason. I open gnome-volume-control, turn it on, close the window, and when I open it again it's turned off. What may be wrong? |
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| 18:46.53 | cusco | my connection fell |
| 18:47.07 | cusco | or actually, irssi froze |
| 18:47.09 | cusco | inside screen |
| 18:47.12 | cusco | never happened before |
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| 18:48.49 | acx0 | trying to install wheezy on a usb and I keep getting 'Debootstrap Error: Invalid Release signature'. I've tried with the businesscard image linked on the debian testing page and today's daily build; both fail |
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| 18:59.12 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 19:11.23 | acu | I installed Debian Wheezy daily amd64 in an I7 HP laptop- the installation seem to be normal - however when I boot after grub I get the system hanged whith eth0: no IPv6 routers present - how can I get rid of that ? |
| 19:12.24 | jelly-home | acu: that's not a hanging offense; the actual culprit for the stall or hang is probably something else |
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| 19:13.09 | jelly-home | acu: if there's a "quiet" in your boot parameters, try removing and booting without it |
| 19:13.13 | GNU\colossus | hmm, I have an ebook in HTML format here (many interlinked documents). is there any tool that can sensibly convert that to a single PDF? or maybe that Microsoft CHM format? |
| 19:14.02 | sney | there's probably a way to convert them to epub |
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| 19:14.41 | PhoenixSTF | I get a pureftp timeout after transfering over 21sec wanyway to fix this |
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| 19:16.30 | dshep | i have an old version of skype installed, is there a way i can make a backup of it as a .deb before i install the new version? |
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| 19:17.37 | kevlarman | dshep: it's probably already in your apt cache |
| 19:17.43 | kevlarman | dshep: just copy it out |
| 19:17.43 | acu | I get a message udevd[407] timeout: killing 'sbin/modprobe b pci: v0000100.... |
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| 19:18.20 | straterra | How do I do multiple IPs (aliases) on a specific VLAN within /etc/network/interfaces? Here is my config and the errors I'm getting.. http://pastebin.com/kCrKyS4h Error: argument "400:1" is wrong: id is invalid |
| 19:18.24 | straterra | Ignoring unknown interface eth0.400:1=eth0.400:1. |
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| 19:19.41 | rm-rf | i wonder if i install the driver for this wireless dongle from the manufacturer if it will work better than what is included in the kernel |
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| 19:19.48 | rm-rf | despite probably being the same darn thing |
| 19:20.12 | acu | how do I stop this anoying message ? - I can't edit anything as this pops up every 2 secondsI get a message udevd[407] timeout: killing 'sbin/modprobe b pci: v0000100.... |
| 19:21.52 | dshep | kevlarman: was my first thought too, but i think because i installed it directly from a .deb i downloaded long ago its not in my archives |
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| 19:23.38 | calzifer | GNU\colossus: calibre |
| 19:25.49 | calzifer | dshep: i have a skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_amd64.deb version on my usb stick |
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| 19:26.18 | calzifer | do you want it? |
| 19:26.33 | kevlarman | dshep: then you'll need to find it |
| 19:26.39 | GNU\colossus | calzifer, thanks, will check it out |
| 19:26.45 | kevlarman | dshep: pretty sure it's still on skype's website, just not linked to |
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| 19:27.25 | jelly-home | straterra: that shouldn't be a problem, but :1 aliases actually start at :0 |
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| 19:28.57 | straterra | jelly-home: same problem |
| 19:29.06 | straterra | Error: argument "400:0" is wrong: id is invalid |
| 19:29.06 | straterra | Ignoring unknown interface eth0.400:0=eth0.400:0. |
| 19:30.27 | rm-rf | should i be concerned with this message? |
| 19:30.30 | rm-rf | Error reading wpa keys (SIOCGIWENCODEEXT): Operation not supported |
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| 19:30.59 | jelly-home | straterra: I don't know why it's failing. However, if that's just an example and you need to add lots of secondary ip addresses, it might be easier to http://pastebin.com/zDcaZUXh |
| 19:31.39 | straterra | Yeah |
| 19:31.48 | straterra | That was my fallback |
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| 19:32.56 | acu | how can I stop thos udevd 416 anoying messages ?> |
| 19:33.59 | mofino | Hi, how can I prevent the package manager from overwriting my changes to dist files (eg, /etc/init.d/bootlogs)? |
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| 19:45.11 | stew | mofino: the package manager should never overwrite changes to config files without prompting you first, or it is a policy violation |
| 19:45.40 | stew | mofino: most init.d scripts should be specifically marked as conffiles, you can check with "dpkg -s packagename" where packagename is the package owning the file |
| 19:45.58 | stew | mofino: and you can likely find the package owning the file with "dpkg -S etc/init.d/bootlogs" |
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| 19:47.32 | dshep | calzifer: anyway i could get a copy? :) |
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| 19:49.48 | geekbri | I'm attempting to build a .deb package from some sources I downloaded, but when I call debuild -us -uc, it seems to spit out a .deb with all the proper configuration files, but missing the actual binary. |
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| 19:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | mofino: Then again, perhaps there is a better way to accomplish what you want without changing init scripts directly. |
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| 19:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | mofino: Why did you edit the init script? |
| 19:51.11 | mofino | it was just an example |
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| 19:51.50 | mofino | stew, thanks, that's good to know |
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| 19:52.23 | jhutchins_lt | mofino: As stew said, RPM should never overwrite a config file without asking, but if you need to protect scripts and other non-configuration files you can reserve that package from automatic updates. |
| 19:52.25 | mofino | I did edit /etc/init.d/reboot to remove -i |
| 19:52.27 | SerajewelKS | is there any debian-packaged openid provider that supports two-factor authentication via xmpp? (e.g. i enter my username and password into the provider, and it IMs me a random code that i must paste into the provider site) |
| 19:52.42 | mofino | RPM.. #debian? |
| 19:52.54 | jhutchins_lt | Erf. |
| 19:52.58 | mofino | ;) |
| 19:53.07 | jhutchins_lt | mofino: Multi-distro hazard. |
| 19:53.23 | jhutchins_lt | mofino: apt should do that too. |
| 19:53.26 | mofino | Right, I'll just use hold, that's the cleanest way to do it. |
| 19:53.27 | calzifer | dshep: yes, where do you want it uploaded? |
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| 19:57.08 | mofino | I think -i should be removed from /etc/init.d/reboot by default, it doesn't offer any security and gets in the way of last minute kernel changes that may need the network. |
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| 19:58.36 | Kindari | Hey guys and gals. After I haven't used my machine for a while, eth0 shuts off. I told it to never put the computer to sleep but this doesnt seem to be enough. If I use it for 6 hours straight, theres no issue at all. If I leave it alone for half an hour, I come back and eth0 is "disconnected". Ideas? |
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| 19:58.56 | mithrop | hi all :) |
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| 20:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | Kindari: Set up some sort of keep-alive for it; possibly disable any hibernation scripts. |
| 20:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | Kindari: Oh, I see "told it never". Yeah, set up a script to do a ping every 10 minutes. |
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| 20:07.59 | Kindari | jhutchins_lt: thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 20:15.42 | jbee | is there a way to make mutt write a log? |
| 20:15.53 | jbee | i get "too many errors" and it quits.. |
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| 20:16.51 | jbee | nevermind, -d |
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| 20:31.13 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys I am having a issu with pure ftp, its is doing connection timeout for no reason and says the file uploaded... but only half of it |
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| 20:43.16 | AVRS | Hi. Has anyone seen a vertical progress become upside-down recently (particularly in Workrave)? |
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| 20:43.22 | AVRS | in wheezy |
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| 20:55.10 | JCDenton | If I install php5.4 using dotdeb, is there no way to install APC? |
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| 20:55.29 | JCDenton | http://pastie.org/4110706 |
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| 20:57.13 | Thanatermesis | how i can upgrade stable to testing without install grub2 but maintaining grub (1) ? its a xenserver that wont boot with grub2 |
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| 21:00.54 | joar | I just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, the installer mentioned some firmware was missing, but that might be possible to fix by adding contrib & non-free |
| 21:01.08 | joar | What should I do since I have added them? |
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| 21:03.30 | joar | run dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:04.30 | joar | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 21:05.08 | tremon | joar: install firmware-realtek would be my first guess |
| 21:05.31 | joar | tremon: It seems that does it :) |
| 21:05.56 | joar | Are there any extra considerations regarding running LVM/ext3 on SSDs? |
| 21:06.58 | tremon | I'd upgrade to ext4 (can be done in-place) and add mount option discard |
| 21:07.34 | AVRS | joar: my debian also says network firmware may be missing, but it works (not a reason to take risk though ;) |
| 21:07.38 | joar | tremon: can you point me to any resource describing the process? |
| 21:07.51 | JCDenton | Can I ask for dotdeb support here? |
| 21:07.58 | joar | AVRS: I looked for it in some forums and they did the same thing as you :) |
| 21:08.07 | tremon | although discard "is off by default until sufficient testing has been done" |
| 21:08.37 | tremon | joar: https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto |
| 21:09.36 | tremon | !dotdeb |
| 21:09.36 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
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| 21:11.44 | stew | you should use the dotdeb support forums |
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| 21:13.58 | jelly-home | is there a "to remove d-m packages:" |
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| 21:15.04 | kroaken | hello :)) |
| 21:15.06 | jelly-home | tremon: one can run fstrim manually on a regular or irregular basis instead |
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| 21:16.16 | kroaken | hello from portugal :) |
| 21:16.18 | jelly-home | joar: here's an extra consideration: consumer SSD devices sometimes have sudden death modes. One day it works, the other, it's gone from SATA bus forever. |
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| 21:16.38 | tremon | jelly-home: thanks for that. Does it work on any fs? |
| 21:16.51 | jelly-home | tremon: I have no idea, it works on ext4. |
| 21:17.35 | jelly-home | don't know which kernel versions you need for it to work through lvm or dm-crypt. |
| 21:17.52 | engla | tremon: the fs needs to support it |
| 21:17.55 | joar | jelly-home: I have nightl backups. |
| 21:18.02 | joar | nightly* |
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| 21:18.26 | ecrane | Hi, I am trying to set up a new debian system with the same packages as another system, via the 'dpkg --get-selections / dpkg --set-selections' trick, but I am getting a dpkg error "dpkg: illegal package name at line 54: character `:' not allowed (only letters, digits and characters `-+._')". Am I doing something wrong? Does this trick no longer work? |
| 21:19.05 | kroaken | hello all after a sucessfully install of debian now i face a problem of x config , can someone help me out ??!?!?! |
| 21:19.05 | tremon | jelly-home: don't know exactly, but I know that the 3.x kernels support it through lvm |
| 21:19.14 | jelly-home | joar: so do I, and I was thankful for that. Lost /var/cache though, and learned the hard way that Debian doesn't allow you to remove the _directories_ under /var/cache, just the files. |
| 21:19.35 | engla | kroaken: since it's about a : in package names, it may be related to multiarch and dpkg version |
| 21:19.43 | kroaken | engla: root@debian:~# startfluxbox |
| 21:19.44 | kroaken | /root/.fluxbox/startup: 8: xmodmap: not found |
| 21:19.44 | kroaken | Error: Couldn't connect to XServer |
| 21:19.45 | tremon | ecrane: at a first guess you did get-selections on a multiarch system |
| 21:19.47 | joar | jelly-home: I only back up /home/joar :S |
| 21:19.55 | jelly-home | joar: I back up everything. |
| 21:20.12 | engla | ecrane: ^ for you |
| 21:20.13 | jelly-home | joar: my restore process is basically reformat and cp -a |
| 21:20.30 | joar | :) |
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| 21:20.51 | jelly-home | anything more complicated is too complicated, and HDD space is cheap. |
| 21:21.01 | engla | kroaken: run that as a user, not as rot. |
| 21:21.04 | joar | welp, I'm rebooting now, post squeeze->wheezy dist-upgrade |
| 21:21.15 | joar | see you, hopefully :) |
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| 21:23.38 | lasers` | Why is #debian on freenode but #debian-next on oftc? |
| 21:23.40 | kroaken | engla: as a user i get an error could not load X server. |
| 21:24.07 | kroaken | engla: Error: Couldn't connect to XServer |
| 21:24.21 | jordanm | lasers`: oftc is the official debian network, most of the channels are there. the #debian on oftc is the "official" one |
| 21:24.23 | engla | kroaken: maybe you don't have Xorg installed |
| 21:24.34 | craigevil | lasers`, because #debian on freenode has been here forever, but the 'official' channels are on oftc |
| 21:24.48 | kroaken | omw to installing it |
| 21:24.52 | kroaken | tksa |
| 21:25.08 | jelly-home | lasers`: hysterical raisins |
| 21:25.47 | lasers` | jordanm, craigevil: Ah I see. :) |
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| 21:26.13 | craigevil | backup bah backups are for whoosies, i backup my firefox profile and keep a list of installed apps that's it |
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| 21:26.59 | dvs | does backups by pensil and paper! |
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| 21:27.08 | penrod | greetings: I have a debian squeeze installation, several months old, has been working well. Now I see that the root partition is full and I cannot figure out the offending directory or file, any ideas ? |
| 21:27.21 | craigevil | knock on wood, i have never had to reinstall in the 8 yrs I have been running sid |
| 21:27.38 | craigevil | penrod, apt-get autoclean, apt-get clean |
| 21:28.08 | penrod | craigevil, thanks I will give that a try |
| 21:28.11 | tremon | penrod: du -h / | sort -h |
| 21:28.45 | tremon | season with -a -x etc |
| 21:28.45 | penrod | tremon: already did that, nothing out of the ordinary |
| 21:29.00 | engla | tremon: sort -h is cool, never saw that before.. |
| 21:29.04 | craigevil | penrod, that cleans out the apt cache |
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| 21:29.30 | penrod | craigeveil: I understand |
| 21:30.03 | craigevil | which is usually the biggest source of cruft |
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| 21:30.39 | lasers` | craigevil: What are you running on sid? Gnome? |
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| 21:31.00 | craigevil | kde 4 , gnome breaks way too often |
| 21:31.02 | joar | meh |
| 21:31.07 | joar | didn |
| 21:31.12 | joar | didn't go that well. |
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| 21:31.39 | joar | can't get into the machine properly |
| 21:31.44 | joar | it just changes the TTY |
| 21:31.57 | joar | I think it might be a X/graphics issue. |
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| 21:32.12 | joar | the card is an NVidia GTX 560 Ti or something |
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| 21:32.35 | jordanm | joar: what version of debian? |
| 21:32.37 | craigevil | how did you install the nvidia driver |
| 21:32.42 | joar | I mistakenly installed xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 21:32.47 | joar | then removed it |
| 21:32.54 | joar | the reconfigured nouveau |
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| 21:33.09 | joar | then tried to remove nvidia again, but it wasn |
| 21:33.17 | joar | 't there (understandably) |
| 21:33.18 | jordanm | !enter |
| 21:33.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:33.24 | joar | jordanm: wheezy |
| 21:33.29 | craigevil | reinstall nvidia using the nvidia dkms method |
| 21:33.39 | joar | jordanm: I'm switcching between keyboards |
| 21:33.42 | jordanm | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 21:33.43 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 295.53-1; sid/non-free: 295.59-1; experimental/non-free: 302.11-1 |
| 21:33.47 | lasers` | ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' hurts my eyes. |
| 21:34.01 | tremon | joar: you may need firmware for the gfx card too, not sure |
| 21:34.02 | jordanm | joar: you will want the nvidia version for backports for that card |
| 21:34.04 | ajazzone | hi, i use debian wheezy and i think the apt bug is not solved :( . I ran out of space in the root partition because of the "random install bug". How can i fix it or at least get back some space? |
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| 21:34.38 | tremon | ajazzone: purge some stuff? |
| 21:34.45 | joar | jordanm: backports for testing? |
| 21:34.51 | craigevil | random install bug? |
| 21:35.00 | craigevil | !nvidia dkms |
| 21:35.01 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
| 21:36.13 | jordanm | joar: erm, no, see the factoid above |
| 21:36.39 | joar | can't copypaste, different PC :) |
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| 21:37.47 | ajazzone | tremon: i installed only few things: nmap, vlc, mplayer, xfce4, nvidia drivers, vncviewer , some bittorrent clients, avidemux. Nothing heavy. I dont know how but the 10GB partition of / is full |
| 21:38.19 | kroaken | P |
| 21:38.35 | craigevil | joar, basically make sure you have kernel headers, then install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx, then reboot |
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| 21:39.48 | lasers` | ajazzone: Gnome? |
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| 21:40.12 | lasers` | ajazzone: That's a full blown desktop environment if you installed that too. |
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| 21:40.57 | ajazzone | lasers`: no gnome, no kde. only xfce |
| 21:41.01 | lasers` | craigevil: 13min 48s until I go sid from wheezy. ;__; |
| 21:41.15 | craigevil | lasers`, sid rules |
| 21:41.22 | joar | warning forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia because link group glx is broken |
| 21:41.31 | joar | says apt |
| 21:42.00 | robin_sz | did someone say lasers? |
| 21:42.11 | lasers` | robin_sz: You did. |
| 21:42.19 | robin_sz | loves lasers |
| 21:42.35 | ajazzone | hmm , i ran baobab on / , maybe i found the problem: some audacity data in /var/tmp (almost 3 GB ) |
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| 21:42.42 | ajazzone | *solved* |
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| 21:42.57 | kroaken | paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoia paranoiaparanoia |
| 21:43.20 | ajazzone | i didnt even though /var/tmp was used :) lol |
| 21:43.27 | kroaken | seconds left for my new enviroment :P |
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| 21:44.16 | lasers | robin_sz: People can't stop talking about lasers. I got a log full of them. |
| 21:44.23 | craigevil | ajazzone, it should have been removed when you rebooted |
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| 21:46.07 | ajazzone | craigevil: no, it's here , and i used audacity before the last reboot. o.O . Maybe it's only /tmp that is removed automatically, *not* /var/tmp ... btw i never knew it was used. I alwasys thought /tmp was the only one temp directory |
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| 21:46.29 | joar | craigevil: jordanm: Still the same trouble, cursor is blinking unusually fast and flickering |
| 21:46.34 | joar | gdm runs |
| 21:46.40 | joar | but nothing is visible |
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| 21:47.01 | joar | (i'm seeing this via ssh, the screen for the machine is next to me also) |
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| 21:47.24 | joar | /var/log/Xorg.0.log show that nouveau was loaded |
| 21:47.28 | craigevil | joar, nvidia reinstalled? and you rebooted and its still fubar? |
| 21:47.32 | craigevil | ah crap thats why |
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| 21:47.36 | joar | craigevil: I don |
| 21:47.47 | ajazzone | lasers: lasers're cool! i tried the remote listening device experiment a month ago. Now i'd like to find a way to transmit data via laser :) |
| 21:47.47 | joar | 't know if it was really reinstalled |
| 21:47.48 | lasers | Check /etc/modules -- Nvidia should blacklist nouveau |
| 21:47.52 | lasers | joar: ^ |
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| 21:47.58 | jordanm | the nvidia packages should handle the blacklist of nouveau |
| 21:48.10 | jordanm | lasers: it doesn't do it there |
| 21:48.17 | joar | lasers: "loop" |
| 21:48.21 | craigevil | joar, echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf |
| 21:48.25 | joar | was the only content in that file |
| 21:48.52 | lasers | jordanm: Ah. My mistake. /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf |
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| 21:50.06 | kroaken | olho o luis |
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| 21:50.36 | joar | lasers: craigevil: http://paste.debian.net/175161/ |
| 21:51.30 | robin_sz | ajazzone, trust me, you would not want to try that trick with my laser ;) |
| 21:51.49 | lasers | joar: looks fine |
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| 21:52.01 | joar | lasers: so that might not be the issue |
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| 21:52.28 | ajazzone | robin_sz: what trick? data transfer? |
| 21:52.35 | lasers | joar: check /etc/modules just in case -- maybe you blacklisted nvidia too (or missing certain nvidia binary like nvidia-gxl) |
| 21:52.36 | robin_sz | remote listening |
| 21:52.38 | lasers | glx* |
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| 21:52.48 | craigevil | you can also remove the bloody thing, apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 21:53.10 | joar | lasers: might I need to reinstall any packages? |
| 21:53.19 | lasers | joar: No. |
| 21:53.38 | lasers | joar: Paste "aptitude search ~invidia" |
| 21:53.45 | jordanm | craigevil: that doesn't remove the kernel module |
| 21:54.05 | lasers | joar: (and /etc/modules while you're at it) |
| 21:54.07 | craigevil | joar, try doing apt-get install nvidia-xconfig, then run nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:54.54 | joar | rebooting the machine now |
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| 21:57.11 | joar_ | seems to be working now :) |
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| 22:07.53 | ecrane | tremon/engla: Thanks! I looked at it more closely, and yah, the stuff after the : is architecture info. Do you know of any way to get a list of packages out of a running debian system, and then feed that list into another system then? |
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| 22:08.28 | jordanm | !tell ecrane about apititude clone |
| 22:08.43 | jordanm | !tell ecrane about aptitude clone |
| 22:08.54 | acu | hey guys - what happens to wheezy, it seems that nothing works - I am trying to install it in an i7 dv7 laptop- network does not work, vga does not work weird |
| 22:09.28 | ecrane | jordanm: Thanks! |
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| 22:12.09 | lasers | acu: You forget to install a desktop environment? Zing! |
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| 22:12.40 | jelly-home | acu: did those work in squeeze? |
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| 22:15.07 | acu | jelly: the network works, the gnome did not go - cli only |
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| 22:16.05 | acu | jelly: it is a complete mess, eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 22:16.27 | nsadmin | acu, and you have ipv6 routers? |
| 22:16.42 | jelly-home | acu: that's normal if you don't have ipv6 connectivity |
| 22:17.54 | acu | no, I do not have ipv6 routers. anyhow it hangs there |
| 22:18.08 | nsadmin | acu, what are you talking to us now on? |
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| 22:22.18 | acu | nsadmin: yes, I was answering whether I have v6 routers, the answer is no, anyhow, I have to leave now, it seem that daily wheezy is screwed - I also installes squeeze then dist-upgrade with the same results - now I have no network |
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| 22:23.02 | nsadmin | acu, as you may know, wheezy is not considered stable... so, your milage may vary, and did vary |
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| 22:24.05 | lasers | acu: I'm on wheezy... sid in next few minutes. Things are working okay. Are you talking about Wifi or...? HP dv7 do have some recalls iirc. |
| 22:24.09 | nsadmin | also, there is presently no information available to evaluate any part of your situation... next time, be prepared to volunteer information |
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| 22:24.38 | acu | nsadmin, yes, I use wheezy since one year, but I think it was never as disfunctional as today, perhaps the laptop is too new, and others, I will look at it again, but I have another amd laptop with similar simptomps |
| 22:25.03 | acu | nsadmin: you are right, I will be more precise with hardware and messages |
| 22:25.05 | acu | thanks anyhow |
| 22:25.18 | craigevil | probably just needs firmware installed |
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| 22:25.28 | nsadmin | acu, no problem, and, I hope you find something that works |
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| 22:27.07 | acu | craigevil: I enabled the non-free firmware and all, I might need to go and download from manufacturers stuff, anyhow, I need to leave now, but thanks a bunch guys- have a nice day |
| 22:27.14 | nsadmin | acu, just so you know, wheezy is preparing for something major... no idea if this is related to your situation |
| 22:27.44 | acu | nsadmin: maybe that is the major preparation, any hint what is that major ? |
| 22:27.56 | nsadmin | it's about to freeze |
| 22:28.26 | acu | nsadmin: you are right, not thought about it, so everybody rushes in all possible applications :) |
| 22:28.28 | lasers | craigevil: Because you enabled non-free in the repo -- does not mean you installed the firmware. I wanted to make sure you understood that. |
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| 22:28.45 | nsadmin | yeah, that could be. that's why I mentioned it |
| 22:28.48 | elvis4526 | Guys, I need help. I try to install a BSD flavor like some weeks ago, but my intel chipset wasn't supported, so I deleted it to reinstall debian, but everytime there is an update of the kernel, grub complain and it does not update. When I launch fdisk, it complains to that the disk has some bsd magic. I think it is related. How do I clean my mbr of everything? Even if I delete all the partition on the disk, the mbr does not seems to |
| 22:28.48 | elvis4526 | cleaned. |
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| 22:28.52 | acu | by the way samba4 would have been very useful - even alpha, since you can simulate ADS |
| 22:28.56 | tharkun | What program should i use to open a "Transport Neutral Encapsulation Format" ? |
| 22:28.59 | lasers | craigevil: (Oops, wrong person) |
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| 22:29.42 | acu | see you around |
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| 22:30.25 | nsadmin | elvis4526, grub complained? what exactly did it say? |
| 22:30.27 | craigevil | kicks lasers |
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| 22:31.45 | craigevil | tharkun, you need one of those plugs from the Matrix that goes in the back of your head for that format |
| 22:32.09 | redcheckers | does the debian net-install 64 iso have the rijndael 64-bit module enabled by default, or is it still using the 32-bit by default? |
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| 22:32.47 | nsadmin | redcheckers, there could be a way to get the config file for the kernel it uses |
| 22:33.08 | craigevil | tharkun, there are several apps according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Neutral_Encapsulation_Format |
| 22:33.14 | nsadmin | redcheckers, what's rijndael for? |
| 22:33.44 | redcheckers | nsadmin: the configuring the disks section |
| 22:33.44 | LittleFoot | hi gaize can i jus say dat i <3 debian so much |
| 22:33.48 | elvis4526 | nsadmin: 2 sec |
| 22:33.53 | LittleFoot | k thx bai |
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| 22:35.35 | craigevil | grub has modules for rijndael, doesnt look like its in any kernel other than kfreebsd |
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| 22:36.19 | nsadmin | is that a filesystem type? |
| 22:36.49 | craigevil | apparently its some freebsd thing, freebsd-manpages: /usr/share/man/man9/rijndael.9freebsd.gz |
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| 22:40.19 | tharkun | craigevil: even dpkg has a factoid for that. Allready sent the sender a mail requesting to "CHANGE HIS ....ING E-MAIL CLIENT" :d |
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| 22:41.19 | craigevil | dpkg is one smart bot |
| 22:41.20 | dpkg | craigevil: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:42.04 | nightfrog | HA |
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| 22:43.08 | redcheckers | nsadmin: no, its a encryption hashing algoritm? |
| 22:43.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:43.46 | nsadmin | are your drives already encrypted |
| 22:43.47 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 22:47.55 | dokma | I've got old system sda1 80G partition, new system on sda2 148G partition 39G data I need to wipe out sda1 and make sda2 into sda1 and occupy the whole drive. I've got 2 plans that make sense to me: #1 just copy the filesystem from sda2 to sda1, delete sda2 and expand sda1 #2 shrink sda2 to be exact same size as sda1 and just dd sda2 over sda1. |
| 22:48.08 | dokma | I'm open for any suggestions other than backup your data first |
| 22:48.11 | wwd | Hi folks, I am attempting to setup link aggregation in a virtual enviro for testing purposes. I am using interface bond0 with slaves eth2 and eth3, I am using bond mode 0 (round robin) and am monitoring bond0, eth2 and eth3 with jnettop, i am also wgeting an extremely large file down from the inter webs, expecting to see traffic on eth2 + eth3 = bond0, but what I am seeing is all the traffic only going to one eth interface. So load-balancing doesn't seem t |
| 22:48.13 | wwd | work. However, if i disable either nic and leave the other enabled, all traffic switches to that link… so my question is whats up? Does load balancing only kick in when one NIC is fully saturated? |
| 22:48.18 | cwillu_at_work | dokma, back up your data first! :p |
| 22:48.35 | dokma | hehe :D doin it already |
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| 22:49.31 | cwillu_at_work | I'd go with the first approach myself |
| 22:49.45 | cwillu_at_work | or actually, given that sda1 is large enough to fit the data on sda2, just remake the filesystem in sda1 and rsync |
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| 22:54.34 | LittleFoot | oh god no |
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| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | dokma: using a second drive will likely make the process faster than copying to and fro on the same drive, or moving the partition |
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| 22:59.37 | dokma | jelly: it's a dedicated box in a data center so no direct access |
| 22:59.48 | dokma | jelly-home: ^^^ |
| 22:59.54 | jelly-home | yeah that's me |
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| 23:00.34 | jelly-home | dokma: do you have a second dedicated box on the same network segment. |
| 23:00.34 | dokma | jelly: what would u pick out of the 2 and why? |
| 23:00.41 | dokma | nope |
| 23:00.46 | dokma | this is my first and only one |
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| 23:01.52 | jelly-home | I'd pick neither! |
| 23:02.17 | redcheckers | nsadmin: i conciouslly do not remember. |
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| 23:03.06 | dokma | jelly: it's one of the two |
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| 23:03.50 | nsadmin | redcheckers, ok, so: going back to the start. you want to install debian? |
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| 23:04.06 | redcheckers | nsadmin: yes. |
| 23:04.33 | nsadmin | do you care about what's already on the drive, or is it already backed up? |
| 23:04.45 | jelly-home | dokma: since there's enough space, you can go with cwillu suggested |
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| 23:05.16 | redcheckers | nsadmin: yes. its backed up. |
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| 23:05.58 | nsadmin | ok, so that sounds like it's ok to write all over the drive, partition table, everything, and you'd still have all your data? |
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| 23:06.29 | dokma | jelly, cwillu_at_work: ah didn't see cwillus answer, that is my #1 option |
| 23:06.43 | cwillu_at_work | dokma, note the lack of dd in mine |
| 23:06.44 | jelly-home | dokma: shrinking filesystems typically needs to be done offline, and is less used functionality so it carries some risk |
| 23:06.46 | nsadmin | in that case, just go ahead... it's perfectly safe |
| 23:07.12 | redcheckers | nsadmin: you seem to be forgetting the question |
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| 23:07.49 | nsadmin | about the encryption module, right? |
| 23:08.45 | nsadmin | for one, I think it's possible to remove the encryption so that the debian install won't get stuck on it |
| 23:08.47 | dokma | cwillu: there is no dd in my #1 only in #2 |
| 23:09.16 | cwillu_at_work | sorry, misinterpreted "copy the filesystem" |
| 23:09.21 | dokma | jelly: yes, I've heard some cases where shrinking and expanding destroyed data which I cannot afford |
| 23:09.27 | nsadmin | as far as whether any linux kernel has that module, that question was already answered about 20 mins ago: no |
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| 23:09.53 | jelly-home | dokma: also, file-based copy = free defragmentation! |
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| 23:10.02 | dokma | the only thing that attracted me to the dd solution is that it would be an exact copy to the bit |
| 23:10.28 | cwillu_at_work | dokma, note that myself, I have no sympathy for people who say that they can't afford to lose data, and that can't afford a backup :p |
| 23:10.33 | cwillu_at_work | dd is easier to screw up though |
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| 23:11.05 | dokma | I already did a backup |
| 23:11.13 | dokma | now just picking #1 vs #2 |
| 23:11.18 | cwillu_at_work | re: bit-copy: if you're not intending to do forensics or similar, it's not really a benefit |
| 23:11.19 | dokma | #1 getting more traction with me |
| 23:11.23 | dvs | I pick #1 |
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| 23:12.08 | redcheckers | nsadmin: kernel.org has had it for a long time. |
| 23:12.38 | nsadmin | oh, ok, to get it into a debianized kernel you may need to build it |
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| 23:14.02 | jelly-home | redcheckers: what's the CONFIG_ option name? |
| 23:14.25 | nsadmin | you can also look for yourself; kernels produced by the debian build script "make-kpkg" builds and packages the kernel and other things... included in which is the config file used to build it |
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| 23:14.49 | nsadmin | these config files are also published somewhere |
| 23:15.05 | redcheckers | nsadmin: which one of those is used for the install cd? |
| 23:16.26 | nsadmin | it depends on which one you're using (what is the exact filename you downloaded) and I don't know exactly where the config files are |
| 23:16.26 | redcheckers | jelly-home: CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_X86_64 |
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| 23:18.15 | dokma | ok so we got 4 votes for #1 |
| 23:18.23 | dokma | sda1 backup is almost done |
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| 23:18.37 | dokma | sda2 over the night and then tomorrow night I do the rsync |
| 23:19.04 | dokma | anyone perhaps knows by heart how to make rsync make the copy as similar as possible? |
| 23:19.21 | jelly-home | redcheckers: /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64:CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_X86_64=m |
| 23:19.38 | dokma | and is there any benefit in copying /boot first perhaps? |
| 23:19.56 | redcheckers | jelly-home: so the initial question, of if it's used by default... is going to be answered ' no, but its there as a module' |
| 23:20.00 | redcheckers | jelly-home: ok cool, thanks. |
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| 23:20.12 | redcheckers | i'll try modprobe 'ing it once i reboot |
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| 23:20.16 | jelly-home | redcheckers: most of the drivers are built as modules. |
| 23:20.22 | jelly-home | redcheckers: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 23:20.38 | redcheckers | jelly-home: k. |
| 23:20.44 | redcheckers | parts. |
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| 23:22.41 | wwd | Hi folks, I am attempting to setup link aggregation in a virtual enviro for testing purposes. I am using interface bond0 with slaves eth2 and eth3, I am using bond mode 0 (round robin) and am monitoring bond0, eth2 and eth3 with jnettop, i am also wgeting an extremely large file down from the inter webs, expecting to see traffic on eth2 + eth3 = bond0, but what I am seeing is all the traffic only going to one eth interface. So load-balancing doesn't seem t |
| 23:22.42 | wwd | work. However, if i disable either nic and leave the other enabled, all traffic switches to that link… so my question is whats up? Does load balancing only kick in when one NIC is fully saturated? |
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| 23:39.16 | n-iCe | what's the package to make my iPhone work in Debian? |
| 23:40.18 | nsadmin | n-iCe, define "work in debian" |
| 23:40.31 | n-iCe | to recognize it |
| 23:40.39 | n-iCe | open the iphone folder, etc |
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| 23:41.56 | nsadmin | what did you find out when you tried to connect it? |
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| 23:46.32 | dvs | n-iCe: amarok? Depends how old your phone is. |
| 23:47.56 | bardzusny | n-iCe: libimobiledevice-utils |
| 23:48.34 | bardzusny | n-iCe: to mount your iphone as folder, you'll need ifuse |
| 23:48.55 | n-iCe | ok! |
| 23:48.56 | n-iCe | let's see |
| 23:49.13 | n-iCe | bot installed |
| 23:49.14 | n-iCe | but nothing |
| 23:50.27 | bardzusny | hm? try something like "ifuse /mnt/" as root |
| 23:51.31 | bardzusny | ah, there's also usbmuxd that you should install I think...there should be nice package to install all this stuff at once, but I cannot find it |
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