| 00:00.01 | ampharos | No menu. |
| 00:01.07 | ampharos | error: out of hd |
| 00:01.13 | ampharos | grub rescue> |
| 00:01.48 | sney | is this a significantly old computer? maybe lilo would be worth a shot |
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| 00:02.03 | nsadmin | and it looks like your linux is on sdb5 and sdb6 |
| 00:02.14 | ampharos | just a quirk of debian |
| 00:02.29 | ampharos | on a working debian pc it does that |
| 00:02.32 | nsadmin | grub is booting, so things should be good |
| 00:02.35 | ampharos | It's a 1999 bios |
| 00:02.39 | nsadmin | are both drives connected? |
| 00:02.40 | ampharos | Pentium III 550 E |
| 00:02.44 | ampharos | yes, both are connected |
| 00:02.50 | ampharos | and in Windows 2000 they both functioned |
| 00:03.59 | nsadmin | one thing that sounds possible is that some of the partitions were created in lba mode and others in chs |
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| 00:04.27 | ampharos | yes |
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| 00:04.31 | ampharos | /dev/sdb is lba |
| 00:04.34 | ampharos | and /dev/sda is chs |
| 00:05.51 | StuckMojo | so, anyone know about building 32bit debs on 64bit debian? |
| 00:05.58 | StuckMojo | specifically, is it possible? |
| 00:06.13 | StuckMojo | or must i create another vm with a 32bit install in it? (i'm sure that's "safest") |
| 00:06.21 | nsadmin | the multiarch thing might make that possible |
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| 00:06.50 | nsadmin | you'd have to look into that; I don't have anything on it |
| 00:07.05 | StuckMojo | meh. i already downloaded the 32bit iso. i'll just create the mv |
| 00:07.09 | StuckMojo | it'll be faster, heh |
| 00:07.18 | nsadmin | yep |
| 00:07.20 | StuckMojo | since a core install is so quick, particularly of lenny |
| 00:07.33 | nsadmin | wait, you want to create lenny pkgs? |
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| 00:07.41 | StuckMojo | unfortunately yes :( |
| 00:07.58 | StuckMojo | don't bother with the lecture, i know already |
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| 00:08.06 | nsadmin | sounds like you know the lenny deal... allrightey then |
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| 00:08.22 | dvs | wants to do the speech anyways! |
| 00:08.25 | StuckMojo | it's for work, it's out of my hands, i'm stuck. it's also loosly related to our project to finally upgrade to squeeze |
| 00:09.15 | nsadmin | at some pt you guys ought to make a squeeze install to start working with |
| 00:09.22 | civillian | StuckMojo: sounds like you need to aim for wheezy |
| 00:09.26 | StuckMojo | we have a couple |
| 00:09.40 | StuckMojo | civillian: i'd like to, but we're ready to test squeeze now |
| 00:09.44 | StuckMojo | we'll see how it goes down |
| 00:09.55 | StuckMojo | what's it look like for wheezy? |
| 00:10.02 | StuckMojo | a couple months? |
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| 00:10.21 | civillian | !testing |
| 00:10.22 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 00:10.46 | StuckMojo | it's gotta be damn close |
| 00:11.04 | engla | StuckMojo: you can try to make your own prediction.. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:11.13 | sney | !wwwr |
| 00:11.13 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. The freeze that will lead to the release of Wheezy is currently planned for June 2012. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg00009.html |
| 00:11.23 | ampharos | Anyways, I'm almost there towards the road to to Debian, but grub is killing me |
| 00:11.41 | sney | ampharos: I would seriously give lilo a try. the installer has the option if you use expert mode |
| 00:11.44 | dvs | guesses early next year |
| 00:11.52 | sney | yeah, I'm thinking Feb |
| 00:12.15 | engla | unfortunately wheezy has settled for linux 3.2, released this january |
| 00:12.44 | nkuttler | stable kernels++ |
| 00:12.49 | StuckMojo | debian is awesome, but i don't think there's anyone who would argue that it's not a slow moving animal ;) |
| 00:13.01 | sney | it's a lot quicker than the stereotype suggests though |
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| 00:13.18 | nkuttler | StuckMojo: if you use it on the server it's quite agile.. |
| 00:13.21 | bardzusny | this is true but also not neccesarily a bad thing |
| 00:13.25 | StuckMojo | i've been using it heavily since woody |
| 00:13.26 | ampharos | can I install lilo from rescue mode? |
| 00:13.28 | civillian | I don't like yearly releases for the sake of it, as some Deb-like distro's do |
| 00:13.43 | StuckMojo | nkuttler: right. it's greatest weakness is also it's greatest strength, IMO |
| 00:13.47 | bardzusny | civillian++ |
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| 00:14.05 | kevlarman | nkuttler: i wouldn't call it quite agile, maybe because i haven't suffered with centos enough :P |
| 00:14.44 | nkuttler | kevlarman: maybe you were just lucky. all centos systems i ever touched were like oldstable or even older |
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| 00:16.46 | StuckMojo | when did woody come out? |
| 00:16.56 | dvs | !woody |
| 00:16.57 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
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| 00:17.27 | kevlarman | nkuttler: yeah that roughly describes the centos box i touched last |
| 00:17.35 | StuckMojo | ah that's what i thought. i started playing with potato, but only really deployed it right when woody came out |
| 00:17.48 | kevlarman | nkuttler: debian is "new enough" for pretty much all my servers |
| 00:17.54 | ampharos | <bladezeroz> woody came out when I talked to a woman |
| 00:18.09 | StuckMojo | i ran testing(woody) for a year or two, then sid on my desktop for about 6+ years |
| 00:18.14 | nkuttler | woody came with 2.2, didn't it? |
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| 00:18.33 | roe | nkuttler, I think it had the option to use 2.4 |
| 00:18.35 | StuckMojo | 2.4 i think. if not i built my own 2.4 |
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| 00:18.45 | StuckMojo | roe: that sounds about right |
| 00:19.01 | roe | I learned that one the hard way |
| 00:19.01 | nkuttler | hah, 2.4, right |
| 00:19.14 | roe | and sarge was 2.4 with the option for 2.6 I think |
| 00:19.34 | StuckMojo | [jon@falco ~]$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:19.34 | StuckMojo | 3.1 |
| 00:19.35 | StuckMojo | heh |
| 00:19.37 | nkuttler | never built a kernel that i really used since 2.4 |
| 00:19.54 | roe | nkuttler, after that it was hardly worth it |
| 00:19.55 | StuckMojo | 2.4.20sfs <- that's one i built |
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| 00:20.01 | StuckMojo | nods |
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| 00:20.23 | roe | I'm sure there are still some hardcore kernel nerds that insist on it |
| 00:20.31 | StuckMojo | i only built it then to get ipsec (freeswan) |
| 00:20.32 | sney | there definitely are |
| 00:20.47 | nkuttler | sometimes "new" device drivers don't work with old hardware |
| 00:20.51 | sney | we also get a lot of people who insist on building their own kernels but get lost at really simple stuff... computer ricers |
| 00:20.56 | laptnovic | What is the best, apt-get our aptitude? |
| 00:21.08 | nkuttler | laptnovic: it depends |
| 00:21.11 | kevlarman | roe: 2.6.x schedulers were kinda terrible up until 36 |
| 00:21.14 | nsadmin | what's "best"? |
| 00:21.14 | StuckMojo | sney: lol, nice |
| 00:21.27 | laptnovic | What diferente in aptitude upgrade and apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:21.37 | sney | !why aptitude |
| 00:21.38 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 00:21.47 | ampharos | might has well DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING and start anew |
| 00:21.48 | nsadmin | aptitude knows how to resolve deps better |
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| 00:21.59 | ampharos | didn't plan on using windows anyways, just as a proof of concept to speak |
| 00:22.22 | kevlarman | there's always some nice features that aren't in stock kernels that are useful to *someone* that wants to put the effort into that |
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| 00:22.48 | StuckMojo | i used to have to build on my desktop for some hardware to work right |
| 00:22.59 | StuckMojo | and i used to for playing with things like QOS and such |
| 00:23.15 | StuckMojo | in 2.4 days you had to build to get netfilter iirc |
| 00:23.21 | nkuttler | actually, i run testing. that's probably why i didn't have to build kernels.. |
| 00:23.23 | StuckMojo | early 2.4 days anyway |
| 00:23.37 | kevlarman | nkuttler: backports has a 3.2 |
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| 00:23.41 | nkuttler | on the desktops at least |
| 00:23.41 | roe | actually that is a lie, I did have to build a 2.6 kernel for lenny to enable the HPET for asterisk to work correctly |
| 00:23.43 | nkuttler | kevlarman: nice |
| 00:23.44 | kevlarman | so it doesn't really matter |
| 00:23.46 | sney | I always built my own kernels for firewall machines just to lower the memory footprint |
| 00:24.01 | nkuttler | kevlarman: yeah, i plan on staying on wheezy/stable |
| 00:24.15 | kevlarman | nkuttler: i don't :\ |
| 00:24.25 | sebas-89 | Debian has more users than Linux in the chat |
| 00:24.26 | sebas-89 | lol |
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| 00:24.41 | laptnovic | Apt-get update left some packages without upgrading aptitude upgrade upgraded everything, to debian testing which of the two is best to use? |
| 00:24.54 | kevlarman | haven't decided between sid and arch yet though |
| 00:25.12 | sney | laptnovic: personal choice for routine upgrades. apt-get is generally better for moving from one release to the next |
| 00:25.12 | nkuttler | laptnovic: if you have to ask you should use stable |
| 00:25.15 | roe | there are going to be some sad long beards when debian decides to deprecate apt-get |
| 00:25.28 | sebas-89 | Help! I can't disable Vertical Sync. |
| 00:25.29 | kevlarman | lack of multiarch in arch sucks, lack of an easy way to build packages in debian does too |
| 00:25.30 | sney | laptnovic: the best solution is just to be familiar with both, and make an educated decision. |
| 00:26.01 | sney | kevlarman: checkinstall is easy. |
| 00:26.05 | sebas-89 | I created 20-intel.conf |
| 00:26.13 | kevlarman | sney: fails spectacularly on wine |
| 00:26.26 | sney | well, wine is a special animal. |
| 00:26.28 | bardzusny | roe: is deprecating apt-get in plans? |
| 00:26.37 | StuckMojo | running sid for a while will certainly teach you how to fix broken systems |
| 00:26.37 | kevlarman | sney: it's also the only thing i bother to build |
| 00:26.46 | roe | aptitude seems to be where the effort is going |
| 00:26.54 | laptnovic | If you were using debian testing, which command to use? application updates only, without updating the distro. |
| 00:27.02 | roe | I'm not sure there is an official plan though |
| 00:27.14 | sney | kevlarman: are you familiar with http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ ? |
| 00:27.16 | bardzusny | thanks for this information |
| 00:27.20 | kevlarman | sney: yes |
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| 00:27.37 | kevlarman | sney: i have patches not suitable for submitting upstream, and i have to test patches that are |
| 00:27.43 | sney | laptnovic: I personally use aptitude. BUT it is a personal decision for most people. I stand by my previous recommendation |
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| 00:27.59 | sebas-89 | How can I disable vertycal sync in Xorg? |
| 00:28.06 | sebas-89 | I created 20-intel.conf |
| 00:28.15 | sney | you created 20-intel.conf with what in it? |
| 00:28.23 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: why? for gaming? |
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| 00:28.40 | sebas-89 | yes, Urban Terror runs between 30-60 fps |
| 00:28.41 | laptnovic | The latest wine had to stay on the sid, and wine stable on debian stable |
| 00:28.49 | sebas-89 | in Windows 70-90 |
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| 00:29.18 | sebas-89 | sney: in that file I disable SwapBuffersWait |
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| 00:29.28 | sebas-89 | but is the same |
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| 00:29.45 | sebas-89 | I can't do it |
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| 00:30.08 | gre | god why i got no sound on debian .. |
| 00:30.10 | sney | sebas-89: read the man page for xorg.conf. the option may be in there. |
| 00:30.36 | sebas-89 | sney: ok buddy. |
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| 00:31.21 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: i think it's sometimes specific to the driver |
| 00:31.31 | laptnovic | sney then only for apt-get update and distro and aptitude for packages? |
| 00:31.35 | StuckMojo | sounds like you're using built in intel graphics? |
| 00:31.45 | StuckMojo | i'd try a little googling |
| 00:31.54 | gre | is someone got a real link to install java jre on debian squeeze please? |
| 00:31.56 | laptnovic | apt-get = distro. aptitude= packs? |
| 00:31.57 | gre | many sucks |
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| 00:33.00 | sney | laptnovic: please just read the documentation on both and make your own decision |
| 00:33.14 | sney | gre: enable contrib and non-free, and install sun-java6-jre |
| 00:34.30 | nsadmin | aptitude was really intended to be released. apt-get was not. |
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| 00:34.59 | sney | aptitude can definitely be too clever, though |
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| 00:36.52 | roe | does anyone see anything particularly wrong with this apache config: http://pastebin.com/fehh7Ayc ? |
| 00:37.38 | StuckMojo | laptnovic: they used to be a lot different. nowdays, they both call into the same libraries, so the only difference is that aptitude has better conflict resolution |
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| 00:37.41 | sebas-89 | Who could say me how disable vertical sync with a Intel HD Graphics Integrated |
| 00:37.43 | sebas-89 | ? |
| 00:37.51 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: google :P |
| 00:38.04 | kevlarman | sney: once i had it refuse to upgrade until i removed some packages |
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| 00:38.07 | sebas-89 | StuckMojo: Always I use google buddy |
| 00:38.20 | sebas-89 | in spanish there isn't very information |
| 00:38.29 | kevlarman | then i reinstalled those same packages out of the package cache with it after the upgrade |
| 00:38.43 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: google tells me it looks like it's in the modeline |
| 00:38.44 | sebas-89 | *much information |
| 00:38.49 | StuckMojo | -vsync vs +vsync |
| 00:39.04 | sebas-89 | ok, I will see |
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| 00:39.57 | kevlarman | sebas-89: what version of mesa? |
| 00:39.59 | StuckMojo | Note: To disable VSync just add in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf in Section "Device" string Option "SwapbuffersWait" "false" |
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| 00:40.19 | kevlarman | i had one version that forced vsync on no matter what |
| 00:40.24 | StuckMojo | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel |
| 00:40.27 | StuckMojo | came from there |
| 00:40.59 | kevlarman | ,v libgl1-mesa |
| 00:41.01 | judd | No package named 'libgl1-mesa' was found in i386. |
| 00:41.40 | sebas-89 | kevlarman: ii libglu1-mesa 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1 |
| 00:41.47 | kevlarman | sebas-89: bingo |
| 00:41.53 | kevlarman | that's the one |
| 00:41.56 | sebas-89 | kevlarman: ii mesa-utils 7.7.1-5 Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities |
| 00:42.12 | kevlarman | sebas-89: libgl1-mesa-dri is the interesting one |
| 00:42.29 | kevlarman | sebas-89: 7.10 is the one that refuses to disable vsync iirc |
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| 00:44.08 | sebas-89 | StuckMojo: ii libgl1-mesa-dri 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1 free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI modules |
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| 00:45.22 | StuckMojo | yeah that i dunno about, i run nvidia graphics always |
| 00:45.26 | sebas-89 | StuckMojo: I got 20-intelconf with SwapBuffers wait disabled |
| 00:45.31 | StuckMojo | so i don't have thse problems ;) |
| 00:45.52 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: take a look at the modelines reported in /var/log/Xorg.log |
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| 00:48.33 | sebas-89 | StuckMojo: grep -i swapbuffers < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:48.34 | sebas-89 | [ 1292.510] (**) intel(0): Option "SwapbuffersWait" "False" |
| 00:48.34 | sebas-89 | [ 1292.510] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait disabled |
| 00:48.50 | sebas-89 | my games don't run above 60 fps |
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| 00:49.01 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: try this: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?47502-Can-t-Disable-Vsync |
| 00:49.05 | sebas-89 | *doesn't |
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| 00:49.29 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: do you get greater than 60fps in glxgears? |
| 00:49.36 | sebas-89 | yes |
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| 00:49.51 | StuckMojo | then it's disabled |
| 00:49.55 | sebas-89 | nono |
| 00:50.00 | sebas-89 | I confused |
| 00:50.03 | sebas-89 | 60 fps |
| 00:50.06 | sebas-89 | with glxgears |
| 00:50.19 | StuckMojo | 119339 frames in 5.0 seconds = 23867.727 FPS |
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| 00:50.48 | sebas-89 | look |
| 00:50.52 | sebas-89 | StuckMojo: 302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.319 FPS |
| 00:50.56 | sebas-89 | 60 |
| 00:51.05 | StuckMojo | ok, try: |
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| 00:51.08 | StuckMojo | vblank_mode=0 glxgears |
| 00:51.15 | kevlarman | StuckMojo: what version of mesa are you running? |
| 00:51.16 | jagginess | howdy everyone |
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| 00:51.33 | kevlarman | StuckMojo: 7.10 unconditionally refuses to disable vsync |
| 00:51.38 | kevlarman | you need either newer or older |
| 00:51.58 | StuckMojo | kevlarman: ah. sebas-89 according to kevlarman you're screwed |
| 00:52.13 | sebas-89 | StuckMojo: 7002 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1400.346 FPS |
| 00:52.16 | StuckMojo | kevlarman: i run the binary nvidia drivers, so i don't use mesa at all i think |
| 00:52.21 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: woot! |
| 00:52.32 | StuckMojo | sebas-89: so just start urban terror with that too |
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| 00:52.37 | kevlarman | StuckMojo: i wish someone told me that one when i was stuck running mesa 7.10 D: |
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| 00:52.47 | sebas-89 | always? |
| 00:52.56 | StuckMojo | if you want vsync disabled, yes |
| 00:53.01 | sebas-89 | how i can setting default? |
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| 00:53.12 | kevlarman | sebas-89: export it in your /etc/profile.d/ or something |
| 00:53.16 | tinkster | I got authentication against an Apple Open Directory server going; but it ignores "pam_groupdn cn=support,cn=groups,dc=example,dc=com" and lets everyone log onto my test machine who is a valid directory user. What am I missing? |
| 00:53.23 | jagginess | anyone familiar with the kernel's llmnr? |
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| 00:53.27 | StuckMojo | vblank_mode=0 ioUrbanTerror.i386 |
| 00:53.29 | StuckMojo | or make a script |
| 00:53.30 | engla | sebas-89: you've got some potential improvements for intel performance in both newer mesa (8.0) and kernel (3.4) |
| 00:53.32 | kevlarman | sebas-89: although that may negatively affect any gl compositors you have |
| 00:53.36 | StuckMojo | this is my UT script: |
| 00:53.53 | StuckMojo | http://pastebin.com/2G2Qx95D |
| 00:54.04 | jagginess | or anyone familiar with ip6 and tcpdump? |
| 00:54.08 | kevlarman | engla: upgrading to mesa 8 in stable is pretty difficult though |
| 00:54.11 | StuckMojo | but those settings are for the nvidia driver |
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| 00:54.49 | kevlarman | StuckMojo: just set all of those with nvidia-settings permanently |
| 00:55.05 | kevlarman | no point in remembering those env vaars |
| 00:55.07 | kevlarman | -a |
| 00:55.21 | StuckMojo | i actually don't even use them any more |
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| 00:55.30 | engla | kevlarman: well that could be so without backports |
| 00:55.32 | sebas-89 | engla: yes, I got the kernel and xorg from backports |
| 00:55.35 | StuckMojo | that script was from like....sheesh....8 years ago? |
| 00:55.44 | kevlarman | engla: the mesa in backports is 7.10 |
| 00:55.52 | sebas-89 | kevlarman: thanks man, I will try. |
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| 01:01.04 | sohum | oh crap. aptitude is now segfaulting on me! |
| 01:02.28 | sohum | http://paste.debian.net/175381/ < my aptitude versions; aptitude --version isn't segfaulting |
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| 01:03.52 | kevlarman | sohum: iirc that's a known issue in unstable (or was it testing?) but i've forgotten the details |
| 01:04.05 | kevlarman | i'm hoping someone in here will wake up who remembers |
| 01:04.09 | sohum | nod |
| 01:04.29 | sohum | I'm on testing, but I may have jumped up to unstable for something |
| 01:04.35 | craigevil | ,versions aptitude |
| 01:04.36 | judd | Package: aptitude on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny2; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.6.7-1; sid: 0.6.8-1 |
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| 01:05.40 | sohum | should I try force-installing unstable aptitude? |
| 01:05.45 | _n00b_ | ##yashira.org |
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| 01:06.29 | kevlarman | sohum: with the usual warnings that it's a really bad idea unless you know what you're doing |
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| 01:11.45 | sohum | hm. I'm seeing a similar bug here, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673756 , but it's marked as fixed in apt 0.9.4, and I have 0.9.6 |
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| 01:33.04 | sohum | ,versions aptitude-dbg |
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| 01:45.27 | penrod | greetings: Having difficulty figuring out why my root partition is full. It was partitioned initally to be ~ 370mb, any ideas ? |
| 01:46.17 | craigevil | apt-get clean |
| 01:46.25 | dvs | autoclean too! |
| 01:47.45 | penrod | craigevil: already did that, in fact it was your advice yesterday |
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| 01:48.49 | craigevil | 370mb isnt a lot, atm the /var/cache dir on my system is sitting at 287mb and that is with the apt/archive empty |
| 01:49.13 | Na_Klar | I want to "truncate -s 1G foo.bar" but want the file to get filled with zeros instead of null-bytes .. how would you achieve that? |
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| 01:49.26 | penrod | craigeveil: var & usr have separate partitions |
| 01:49.56 | Diopter | penrod: You say you're having difficulty figuring out why it's full... have you started with "du -hd 1 / | sort -h" ? |
| 01:50.24 | Diopter | penrod: Like... I'm not sure if you're saying "I see that <dir> has the most files, but I'm not sure why..." or "I don't know what's happening!" |
| 01:52.26 | penrod | Diopter: I did a du -sk * , and the total of the directories isn't anything near the size of the partitionrge, which is not what I was expecting, I wonder if I am missing something |
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| 01:54.29 | Diopter | penrod: How about you pastebin the output of "du -hd1 | sort -h", "lsblk" and "df -h" |
| 01:54.36 | penrod | Diopter: the man page doesn't show an option "d" |
| 01:54.51 | Diopter | penrod: Are you on Squeeze? |
| 01:55.06 | penrod | yes |
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| 01:56.02 | WinstonSmith | excessive lol-usage: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20070407 |
| 01:56.15 | Diopter | penrod: Mm. Maybe squeeze's version is too old to provide the depth option. |
| 01:56.19 | Diopter | penrod: Did you try it? |
| 01:56.23 | WinstonSmith | ups sorry wrong tab |
| 01:56.45 | penrod | Diopter: yes, and the error is "d" an invalid option |
| 01:57.23 | Diopter | Exciting. |
| 01:57.28 | penrod | Diopter: waiting on the du -sh * results, one moment, I have a windows share mounted |
| 01:58.01 | Diopter | penrod: Not really as useful as I was wanting. |
| 01:58.40 | penrod | Diopter: here is the error http://pastebin.ca/2163091 |
| 01:58.56 | Diopter | penrod: du -h --max-depth=1 |
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| 01:59.59 | penrod | Diopter: ok, one moment |
| 02:00.13 | Diopter | Apparently the -d => --max-depth=1 isn't in squeeze. yeehaw |
| 02:00.39 | Diopter | Damn you coreutils! :P |
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| 02:02.21 | penrod | Diopter: http://pastebin.ca/2163092 |
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| 02:05.12 | Diopter | penrod: That's helpful but kind of a pain to parse. How about: du -xh --max-depth=1 | sort -h. And do it as root, so you don't get permission issues |
| 02:05.26 | Diopter | Er, du -xh --max-depth=1 / | sort -h |
| 02:05.36 | Diopter | The -x will restrict it to "one file system" |
| 02:05.43 | Diopter | Meaning mounted directories will be skipped |
| 02:05.57 | penrod | Diopter: would it help if I umounted the "windows share" and removed the info from the other partitions ? |
| 02:06.28 | Diopter | Nope. The -x will take care of that. |
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| 02:07.05 | penrod | Diopter: http://pastebin.ca/2163093 |
| 02:07.12 | Diopter | At least it should, in theory. heh |
| 02:07.30 | Diopter | Ah. Good. It just shows their dirent size of a couple k |
| 02:07.38 | Diopter | Good enough |
| 02:08.54 | Diopter | So df thinks you have 357M to play with... |
| 02:09.30 | Diopter | But the space being used is 268M, give or take a few |
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| 02:10.54 | Diopter | Hrm. |
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| 02:13.54 | epsilon | I tip on still opened files by a process |
| 02:13.59 | epsilon | blocking to be deleted |
| 02:14.19 | Diopter | Yeah. That's the most likely case. Deciding how best to resolve that without the simplest solution of "just reboot!" |
| 02:14.26 | epsilon | penrod: is reboot an option? |
| 02:14.28 | Diopter | Probably start with lsof. |
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| 02:15.07 | rgenito | YES...a debian channel @_@ |
| 02:15.40 | rgenito | i am coming from ubuntu...looking for a cleaner, more mature linux |
| 02:15.45 | penrod | Diopter: yes, I did that already, and the result was the same |
| 02:15.51 | epsilon | wat |
| 02:15.57 | Diopter | penrod: Did what already, exactly? |
| 02:16.02 | Diopter | rgenito: Grats! And welcome. |
| 02:16.10 | rgenito | i'm wondering: in ubuntu i would put init scripts into /etc/init/script_name.conf ... where is that in debian? or is it different in debian? |
| 02:16.16 | epsilon | and what does df -h show? |
| 02:16.17 | rgenito | Diopter, thanks :) i'm excited to be here |
| 02:16.45 | penrod | Diopter: I have been dealling with this for the last few days. When I couldn't see anything obvious, I rebooted |
| 02:16.48 | epsilon | rgenito: /etc/rc.local |
| 02:16.56 | Diopter | epsilon: They pasted that already. http://pastebin.ca/2163093 and http://pastebin.ca/2163092 |
| 02:17.04 | penrod | root@techstar3:/# w |
| 02:17.06 | penrod | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.08 | epsilon | rgenito: or normal init.d script in /etc/init.d |
| 02:17.12 | Diopter | penrod: I see. |
| 02:17.20 | rgenito | epsilon, thanks |
| 02:17.28 | Diopter | penrod: Can you pastebin the output of "mount"? |
| 02:17.34 | rgenito | i have a script in /etc/init.d ... but i fear that it is not running |
| 02:18.03 | civillian | rgenito: did you run update-rc.d afterward? |
| 02:18.05 | epsilon | *headscratch* |
| 02:18.12 | epsilon | doesnt make scence |
| 02:18.20 | Diopter | rgenito: I believe you're misunderstanding how init.d works. |
| 02:18.24 | rgenito | civillian, oooh... i did not know that i had to run a script afterwards... (since ubuntu does this automatically) |
| 02:18.29 | rgenito | Diopter, i believe you're right |
| 02:18.40 | penrod | Diopter: http://pastebin.ca/2163095 |
| 02:19.10 | civillian | rgenito: update-rc.d [script_name] defaults |
| 02:19.12 | civillian | should do the trick |
| 02:19.46 | epsilon | penrod: well you probably need to deal with lsof... |
| 02:19.57 | rgenito | civillian, sweet! so script_name is the full script path, right? |
| 02:20.10 | civillian | rgenito: no just what it's called in /etc/init.d |
| 02:21.15 | Diopter | penrod: Ok... so it's ext4. Nothing crazy on the options there. |
| 02:21.21 | civillian | rgenito: what are you trying to run at startup? |
| 02:21.28 | rgenito | civillian, this: |
| 02:21.38 | rgenito | http://www.pastie.org/private/agawlotjoq3zkt0wt87cqw |
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| 02:22.26 | civillian | rgenito: nice |
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| 02:23.25 | penrod | Diopter: thanks for your assistance, I have to dash now. |
| 02:23.30 | rgenito | civillian, i have a feeling i'm going to learn a lot...hehe |
| 02:23.34 | rgenito | i'm getting the error tho: |
| 02:23.35 | rgenito | insserv: warning: script 'fpga_miner_0.conf' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 02:23.43 | rgenito | LSB tags and overrides??? |
| 02:23.54 | Diopter | penrod: One more thing |
| 02:24.08 | penrod | Diopter: yes |
| 02:24.09 | Diopter | penrod: Might be useful to lsof | grep deleted |
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| 02:24.51 | Diopter | penrod: Rebooting would generally have resolved this, but perhaps you have a process which is running at startup that is continuously trying to fill up the disk and files are being deleted but the space isn't being fully freed |
| 02:25.09 | Diopter | Be sure to run it as root so you have access to everything |
| 02:25.42 | penrod | Diopter: ok, thanks I will give a try |
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| 02:27.59 | rgenito | ok the last thing i need to figure out about debian... (and then i will be happy, i promise!) |
| 02:28.24 | rgenito | ...how do you switch to virtual consoles? i was able to do it when i messed up my graphics card driver... (ctrl+alt+F1 through ctrl+alt+F6) |
| 02:28.33 | Diopter | Same way. |
| 02:28.41 | rgenito | hmm, |
| 02:28.47 | Diopter | If you're already on a console, you can Alt+F# |
| 02:28.55 | rgenito | presses CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 02:29.06 | rgenito | remains in Xorg |
| 02:29.13 | rgenito | i'm confused |
| 02:29.31 | rgenito | brb, reboot time :D |
| 02:29.38 | Diopter | What Debian did you install? Are you in a particular Desktop Environment? |
| 02:29.53 | rgenito | Diopter, i dont know about the desktop environment honestly, but i installed debian 6.0.5 |
| 02:29.58 | rgenito | then i did the kernel update.... |
| 02:30.03 | rgenito | 3.2 |
| 02:30.22 | Diopter | It's possible the DE you're in is eating your C-A-F1 keystroke. |
| 02:30.24 | Diopter | shrugs |
| 02:30.34 | rgenito | ya, possible |
| 02:30.38 | rgenito | thanks for the heads up on that one ;) |
| 02:30.40 | rgenito | brbz |
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| 02:31.12 | SJr | How do I make a partition by partition + boot sector backup of a drive |
| 02:31.19 | SJr | basically I want to wipe this notebook and throw debian on it |
| 02:31.33 | SJr | but I want to be able to restore the hard drive to it's original state |
| 02:31.55 | SJr | There are three partitions, a boot partition, the actual windows install, and then the recovery partition. |
| 02:32.00 | Diopter | SJr: sounds like you want to image the drive, block by block. |
| 02:32.11 | Diopter | SJr: dd is the tool for that job. |
| 02:32.22 | Diopter | If you just want to copy the filesystem exactly as it is, rsync is what you want. |
| 02:33.03 | civillian | SJr: instead of dd you can use something smarter for imaging like clonezilla |
| 02:33.35 | sney | partimage is more suited for a single system |
| 02:34.58 | Diopter | There are a lot of options, depending on what exactly you want to do. |
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| 02:35.28 | iluminator105 | what folder in mozilla does bookmarks reside in |
| 02:35.32 | SJr | no I want block by block backups |
| 02:35.42 | SJr | but I want it to basically take an image of the whole hard drive, except skip a certain partition. |
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| 02:42.49 | rgenito | in the init.d world, i am running update-rc.d scriptfile defaults |
| 02:42.53 | rgenito | what does this mean? |
| 02:42.56 | rgenito | insserv: warning: script 'fpga_miner_1.conf' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 02:44.21 | rgenito | ah i see... |
| 02:44.30 | rgenito | for debian 6, insserv should be used instead :) |
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| 02:56.43 | craigevil | iluminator105, .mozilla |
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| 03:11.43 | Onionnion | can someone help me with building Valgrind? kinda off-topic but my problem seems to be a bug in Debian |
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| 03:11.57 | snowrichard | hi |
| 03:12.47 | snowrichard | using debian armhf, noticed that it didn't install the locales package automatically, but i figured it out.. |
| 03:12.48 | iluminator105 | craigevil, how do i recover a sync key |
| 03:13.45 | snowrichard | i'm running it on a beagleboard c3 |
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| 03:15.24 | craigevil | iluminator105, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-manage-my-firefox-sync-account#w_where-can-i-find-my-recovery-key |
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| 03:19.05 | iluminator105 | permission to pm craigevil |
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| 03:21.03 | Tobsn | hey, i accidently apt-get installed a package for upstart and its oviously not finding the init.d script - i changed the package to the sysv init version but i cant seem to remove it because the most remove process tries to shutdown - is there a way to force it to uninstall? |
| 03:22.39 | craigevil | iluminator105, i havent a clue about the sync key |
| 03:22.44 | belak | What exactly do I need to have set up to be able to recieve email from the outside world? I have an mx record pointing to the computer... I have exim4 set up, I hope, properly... what else do I need, assuming I'll just use the mail command to access it? |
| 03:22.45 | craigevil | never had to do it |
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| 03:28.27 | KsM | Can someoene help me with a small sed line? |
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| 03:29.54 | KsM | $ sed "s-^http.*/thing/\([0-9]+\).html-\1-" testurl |
| 03:29.54 | KsM | http://test.tld/some/thing/234.html |
| 03:30.05 | KsM | Why isn't sed just matching "234"? |
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| 03:40.49 | lightcap | Is keychain the recommended way to manage ssh-agent on debian these days? |
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| 04:27.09 | jagginess | lightcap, the ssh server has to allow forwarding in its config |
| 04:27.28 | lightcap | yeah but it does by default now |
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| 04:27.53 | lightcap | jagginess crazy enough I just removed the keychain call in .profile and it's working fine |
| 04:28.26 | lightcap | so I guess there's some way that ssh-agent is spawned now that doesn't require telling ssh-agent to echo env vars in a script |
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| 04:28.43 | lightcap | but I'm completely at a loss for how that's happening (which I don't like) |
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| 04:31.19 | jagginess | lightcap, .profile ? |
| 04:31.25 | jagginess | lightcap, that's a bash file.. |
| 04:32.24 | lightcap | yep, and using ssh-agent in the past required calling ssh-agent in .profile (or .bashrc) so that SSH_AUTH_SOCK, et al could be found by the forwarding client |
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| 04:32.42 | lightcap | but none of that nonsense is needed anymore apparently |
| 04:33.12 | lightcap | (i.e., the reason the keychain package is around, or one of the reasons anyhow) |
| 04:33.16 | jagginess | lightcap, did you try ssh -XY ? (try it with -XY ) |
| 04:33.33 | jagginess | sry.. this isnt X-forwarding is it? |
| 04:33.38 | lightcap | I've got it working, now, but only since I removed explicit calls to ssh-agent in my starup files |
| 04:33.51 | lightcap | jagginess nah, it's just straight ssh, so -A would do the trick |
| 04:33.53 | jagginess | lightcap, remote X ? |
| 04:33.55 | lightcap | but it's on by default |
| 04:34.17 | lightcap | jagginess nope, just don't want my private keys on this server ;-) |
| 04:34.29 | lightcap | and want to hop to another box from it |
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| 04:35.03 | jagginess | lightcap, you should simply setup a VPN gateway.. |
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| 04:35.50 | lightcap | jagginess I appreciate the recommendation, but not in this case. It's a pretty standard thing to not want to spread your private keys around the world |
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| 04:36.24 | jagginess | lightcap, that's why i mention a vpn gateway :p |
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| 04:37.14 | jagginess | lightcap, btw, I just use https://<ip>:4080 to access my linux remotely from any firefox :) (no plugins needed) |
| 04:37.15 | jagginess | lol |
| 04:37.27 | lightcap | heh |
| 04:37.39 | jagginess | (not going through a commercial host either tada) |
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| 04:57.57 | null- | How do I install the "suggested" packages in apt-get? |
| 04:58.04 | israel_BigBoss | hi guys. I am with a crashed server which has been upgraded from 8.04 to 10.04, and the customer tried to "downgrade" from 10.04 to 8.04, and did some nasty things with libc6 and libgcc and now everything on the system segfaults |
| 04:58.12 | israel_BigBoss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.25 | israel_BigBoss | ubuntu server, forgot to mention |
| 04:58.33 | jagginess | null-, sometimes those packagenames are obsolete.. |
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| 04:58.48 | jagginess | null-, u'll need to rerun app and add them to the line manually |
| 04:58.51 | null- | israel_BigBoss: they don't support Ubuntu here I think |
| 04:59.00 | null- | jagginess: ok |
| 04:59.07 | jagginess | null-, there may be an auto-option for it with apt's conf |
| 04:59.54 | jagginess | (but the usual way i do it, is to rerun it manually) |
| 04:59.59 | null- | I'm going to manually select the ones I'm interested in and get done with it :) |
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| 05:00.22 | null- | jagginess: yeah, seems better |
| 05:00.31 | israel_BigBoss | null, I know... sorry for asking this, but I just thought there might be a debian universal way of rebuilding/reinstalling the dpkg database on a crashed system |
| 05:00.51 | israel_BigBoss | I thought of debootstrap, but looks like it only installs a system from scratch |
| 05:01.18 | jagginess | israel_BigBoss, theres a link for that.. (gtg be back in couple mins.) |
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| 05:01.58 | null- | israel_BigBoss: I don't ubuntu supports downgrading, you are probably screwed, save the data and reinstall |
| 05:02.03 | null- | +think |
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| 05:04.15 | israel_BigBoss | null-, I think you are right, I am wasting my time trying to recover this |
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| 05:05.00 | lightcap | so apparently somehow the ssh-agent is running even though I don't see a process called ssh-agent nor is the SSH_AGENT_PID set like most docs say. Yet, the client is connecting to the remote agent and forwarding the local keys. |
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| 05:05.36 | lightcap | That's great because it's working, but I *really* want to know *how* it's working when nothing like eval `ssh-agent` is ever run |
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| 05:11.24 | iluminator105 | can you comment a whole file out with a single line at the top |
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| 05:13.06 | iluminator105 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:17.47 | sbarcteam | hi. |
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| 05:17.54 | sbarcteam | I am using www-data user in a shell. |
| 05:18.10 | sbarcteam | (not changing its shell) |
| 05:18.25 | sbarcteam | running sudo su -c '/bin/bash -l' - www-data |
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| 05:18.54 | sbarcteam | for some reason on an upgraded machine (from lenny to squeeze) the /var/www/.bashrc is not run. |
| 05:19.03 | sbarcteam | what am I missing ? |
| 05:19.10 | sbarcteam | is there some security restriction ? |
| 05:19.33 | jagginess | israel_BigBoss, when/how did it crash? |
| 05:20.01 | jagginess | israel_BigBoss, if it was during the install then that can be major.. if its minor there's a procedure to sanitize the database |
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| 05:20.55 | jagginess | sbarcteam, shell exec is not condoned as a secured |
| 05:21.18 | jagginess | sbarcteam, you trying to call a bash command from perl or a php webpage? |
| 05:22.31 | jagginess | sbarcteam, btw system services dont have home directories.. i dont know what you're trying to do. |
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| 05:26.44 | madmanofoz | Can anyone here help me? |
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| 05:29.07 | civillian | maddoc: Are you a Victorian? |
| 05:29.23 | civillian | gone oops |
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| 05:31.44 | israel_BigBoss | jaginess, the customer tried to upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04 only to find python 2.6 would not work all right with his custom trac install |
| 05:31.54 | israel_BigBoss | then customer tried to forcefully downgrade to 8.04 |
| 05:32.27 | cao | quick question: i want to exclude one file in a directory from getting copied via dh_install (that is debian/install), do i have to specify every other file by hand or can i specify this via a regular expression? |
| 05:32.47 | israel_BigBoss | then he told me he forced a libc6 and libgcc install, by mounting the partition and extracting the .deb data.tar.gz on the root partition |
| 05:32.48 | sbarcteam | jagginess: I am trying to call bash from root's or other user's shell |
| 05:32.51 | israel_BigBoss | insane |
| 05:33.21 | sbarcteam | jagginess: www-data is just a user, don't mess with my brains please. |
| 05:33.25 | sbarcteam | israel_BigBoss: use virtualenv. |
| 05:33.53 | sbarcteam | you can have both 2.5 and 2.6 on the same system. |
| 05:34.17 | sbarcteam | just make sure the webserver is using the correct version of the module connecting with the correct version of py |
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| 05:35.10 | israel_BigBoss | wow!! never heard of it before |
| 05:35.24 | sbarcteam | jagginess: "system services", what are u referring to ? |
| 05:35.39 | israel_BigBoss | now it is too late, the system is unbootable, guess my only change is to save the data and reinstall |
| 05:36.07 | sbarcteam | how trac (which is a web app) rendered your system "unbootable" ?! |
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| 05:36.40 | sbarcteam | and, israel_BigBoss there are many things you haven't heard of. and many things I haven't heard of... |
| 05:36.47 | israel_BigBoss | I was hired to remake the whole network infrastructure, but the new servers will only arrive next week, so I was trying to recover this system not have to rebuild it twice, but looks like I have no choice |
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| 05:37.52 | sbarcteam | next time you put system partitions and apps partitions separately. |
| 05:37.54 | israel_BigBoss | trac didn't do it, the customer tried to downgrade ubuntu 10.04 to 8.04 and when he hit the black whole of downgrading the libc6 with a newer kernel loaded, he screwed it up |
| 05:38.27 | sbarcteam | this sounds like restore from a backup. |
| 05:38.55 | israel_BigBoss | oh sure, but I didn't set up this system, software development companies always hire network consultants when their environment is about to explode |
| 05:38.56 | israel_BigBoss | lol |
| 05:39.16 | sbarcteam | yep. |
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| 05:39.23 | sbarcteam | it is known, Khalisi. |
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| 05:40.43 | lightcap | too bad all the posts in the world seem to reference ssh-agent starting automatically using X :-( |
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| 05:46.46 | israel_BigBoss | sbarcteam, what do you mean by Khalisi ? |
| 05:46.56 | nerdistmonk | If i wanted to install pulseaudio from source, how do i go about doing that when the packaged version is installed? (programs need it to run so if i try to pull it, they go also) |
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| 05:56.10 | nevyn | build a package? |
| 05:56.36 | nevyn | or... build it and run it from the build dir (don't do make install) |
| 05:57.08 | nevyn | just disable autospawn of the one you have (echo "autospawn=false" >> ~/.pulse/client.conf |
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| 06:50.20 | olspookishmagus | hello, is it possible to search by packages tags? |
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| 06:50.47 | olspookishmagus | for example |
| 06:50.48 | olspookishmagus | # apt-cache show dash | grep -i tag |
| 06:50.49 | olspookishmagus | Tag: implemented-in::c, interface::shell, role::program, scope::utility |
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| 06:51.12 | olspookishmagus | how could I search for all the packages that have the Tag: interface:shell? |
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| 06:52.42 | jelly-home | !debtags |
| 06:52.42 | dpkg | it has been said that debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags or ask me about <aptitude search>. |
| 06:54.21 | olspookishmagus | OK, thanks |
| 06:54.27 | olspookishmagus | found this as well: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/192 |
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| 06:56.26 | craigevil | !axi-cache |
| 06:56.26 | dpkg | it has been said that axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>. |
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| 07:08.25 | Ormie | Does wheezy 6.0 have GNOME 3? |
| 07:10.17 | Ormie | ? |
| 07:10.31 | sv0 | yes, it has |
| 07:11.27 | Ormie | hm... ok |
| 07:12.03 | Ormie | um.. wrong version number, i mean 7.0, nvm about the version number |
| 07:12.18 | Ormie | sv0, and, can i give it a test drive? |
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| 07:15.02 | gnarface | Ormie: of course yes, but i'd recommend some exit strategy first, like a full disk backup, or a spare drive/partition or the like |
| 07:15.12 | gnarface | Ormie: the #1 gnome3 support question is "how do i uninstall?" |
| 07:15.30 | gnarface | Ormie: (a question not as easily answered as asked) |
| 07:15.31 | Ormie | uninstall gnome 3? |
| 07:15.47 | gnarface | Ormie: yes. |
| 07:16.15 | Ormie | sticks with version 6.0 for life! |
| 07:16.27 | jair | hello guys I know we have been here before ---> what will be the version of java I should use to open pages with java applets like: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest?loc=2&premium= |
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| 07:16.46 | krisfremen | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 07:16.47 | Ormie | sudo apt-get remove gdm* xorg* gnome* |
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| 07:16.56 | jair | I know there is a java version available on debian, one in multimedia, one in the oracle site |
| 07:17.02 | Ormie | krisfremen, ? |
| 07:17.03 | jair | there are so many |
| 07:17.06 | krisfremen | .+ |
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| 07:17.13 | Ormie | krisfremen, spam? |
| 07:17.44 | June20 | i think krisfremen is coding brainfuck in the wrong window |
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| 07:17.57 | jair | lol |
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| 07:21.02 | Ormie | any screenshots for wheezy? |
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| 07:25.18 | Ormie | or known issues? o.o |
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| 07:27.32 | buys | what is tengbiang ? |
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| 07:31.44 | gnarface | Ormie: there are probably LOTS of known issues for wheezy. dpkg, tell Ormie about wheezy |
| 07:31.57 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Ormie about wheezy |
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| 07:34.25 | Ormie | dpkg, tell Ormie about wheezy |
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| 07:35.50 | Ormie | is a rubber squeeze toy penguin with a red bow tie. |
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| 07:41.09 | buys | such a GOOD way to ask for a help |
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| 07:41.20 | buys | dpkg, go take a bath |
| 07:41.21 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go take a bath, go take a bath, just damn go. Home. |
| 07:41.58 | buys | dpkg, tell buys about hell |
| 07:42.04 | StuckMojo | so...if you use --force-overwrite to install a deb B and overwrite files in deb A, if you later uninstall deb A, it doesn't delete the overwritten files that would have otherwise been deleted as part of the uninstallation of deb A? |
| 07:42.07 | buys | dpkg, tell buys about Squeeze |
| 07:42.51 | StuckMojo | (this is the behavior i've just seen) |
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| 07:44.27 | aminpy | how can I fix this problem? |
| 07:44.28 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/761518/ |
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| 07:45.16 | StuckMojo | aminpy: how did you get into this situation? |
| 07:45.39 | StuckMojo | aminpy: and what happens if you run 'apt-get -f install' like it tells you to? |
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| 07:47.03 | darkschneider | i just moved to multiarch on debian unstable (as suggesyted by wine64-bin) followed the link and the procedure (basically adding i386 to repos to provide packages) but now i find no way to install wine:i386. Cause it complains of a ton of packages that can't be installed cause they conflict with the corresponding 64 bit versions, are we lost to not having 32bit wine in a true debian style? (and i really need it for work) |
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| 07:47.34 | aminpy | StuckMojo, I have same problem with apt-get -f install |
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| 07:47.49 | StuckMojo | aminpy: how did you get in this situation? |
| 07:48.09 | aminpy | StuckMojo, I run apt-get dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 07:48.14 | aminpy | ran* |
| 07:48.58 | StuckMojo | aminpy: you could see if aptitude can figure it out |
| 07:49.21 | aminpy | StuckMojo, aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 07:49.51 | StuckMojo | aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 07:51.22 | darkschneider | aminpy: i got the same problem a lot of time ago for the same upgrade, my suggestion is to manually get the packages and manually install and remove them with dpkg. in my case it was suggested that or a reinstall. aptitude was not able to do anything (and actually it was it that got me there). anyway in any case keep packages of _both_ old and new version handy in case the install of the new version fails. write down on a checklist wha |
| 07:51.22 | darkschneider | t you do and be ready to revert. |
| 07:51.50 | StuckMojo | that would be my next suggestion |
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| 07:52.26 | StuckMojo | in particular, libc-bin and libc6 2.13-33 |
| 07:52.34 | StuckMojo | after you install those two, you'd probably be ok |
| 07:52.40 | darkschneider | StuckMojo: :) eheh, it's just a move from me so you can see my problem now :P |
| 07:54.38 | darkschneider | aminpy: as StuckMojo said, after you get those two in aptitude should be able to figure out (btw there was actually a proposal of the time to "teach" aptitude how to do the upgrade, but there was also a nasty discussion and i remember it gone to nothing) |
| 07:56.33 | aminpy | darkschneider, aptitude can't solve problem |
| 07:56.45 | aminpy | darkschneider, how can I remove libc ? |
| 07:56.52 | aminpy | reset |
| 07:57.04 | StuckMojo | download the deb by hand |
| 07:57.30 | StuckMojo | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/ |
| 07:57.41 | StuckMojo | libc-bin_2.13-33_ia64.deb |
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| 07:58.12 | StuckMojo | libc6_2.13-33_amd64.deb |
| 07:58.45 | StuckMojo | grab both of those, then: sudo dpkg -i libc-bin_2.13-33_amd64.deb libc6_2.13-33_amd64.deb |
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| 07:58.58 | StuckMojo | oops, i pasted ia64 for the first one |
| 07:59.13 | StuckMojo | use amd64 (assuming you're on 64bit intel) |
| 07:59.34 | StuckMojo | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.13-33_amd64.deb |
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| 07:59.49 | Josef__Assad | moin |
| 07:59.53 | StuckMojo | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.13-33_amd64.deb |
| 08:00.13 | aminpy | StuckMojo, I download it |
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| 08:00.57 | Josef__Assad | I got a user who wants to be able to edit some files in the tomcat directory. He's already a member of the tomcat6 group, but the files in that dir are rw-r--r-- so he can't edit. I'm unsure if it's more elegant to change permissions in those folders or somehow rig su so he can su to tomcat6? |
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| 08:01.20 | StuckMojo | aminpy: so install those two with dpkg -i then see what 'apt-get -f install' can do |
| 08:01.49 | aminpy | libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.11.3-3) but 2.13-33 is installed |
| 08:01.50 | aminpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.50 | aminpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.51 | gh0stn0te | hi |
| 08:01.53 | aminpy | StuckMojo, ^ |
| 08:02.14 | StuckMojo | aminpy: did you install the two debs you just downloaded? |
| 08:02.30 | StuckMojo | because that error seems to indicate you didn't |
| 08:02.43 | aminpy | StuckMojo, two deb? |
| 08:02.52 | StuckMojo | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.13-33_amd64.deb |
| 08:02.54 | aminpy | StuckMojo, I just downloaded |
| 08:02.54 | StuckMojo | that one and |
| 08:02.56 | aminpy | libc-bin_2.13-33 |
| 08:02.57 | StuckMojo | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.13-33_amd64.deb |
| 08:03.00 | aminpy | aha ok |
| 08:03.01 | pbase | any idea when wheezy is becoming stable? |
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| 08:03.38 | StuckMojo | pbase: not for a while, it's not even frozen yet |
| 08:03.51 | StuckMojo | !wheezy |
| 08:03.51 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 08:05.07 | pbase | great.. i know that. i want to know the approx date.. i have seen it in wiki and it approximately takes two years for each release |
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| 08:06.16 | aminpy | StuckMojo, http://dpaste.com/761524/ |
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| 08:06.37 | CruX| | hello |
| 08:06.42 | aminpy | oh sorry |
| 08:06.46 | aminpy | 1 minute |
| 08:06.54 | pbase | StuckMojo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history |
| 08:07.05 | CruX| | can CMAKE automaticaly install all required devel packages under debian for package ? |
| 08:07.24 | pbase | CruX|: afaik nop |
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| 08:08.15 | pbase | i always had to check the logs and manually install the dependencies |
| 08:09.02 | aminpy | StuckMojo, http://dpaste.com/761526/ |
| 08:09.09 | aminpy | StuckMojo, I have this problem now |
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| 08:10.01 | Ormie | Hello |
| 08:10.03 | Ormie | What is the |
| 08:10.07 | Ormie | Freeze Planning? |
| 08:10.24 | pbase | ok i see a beauty now. guys check this out!! - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Debian_family_tree_11-06.png |
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| 08:12.32 | gnarface | dpkg, freeze? |
| 08:12.32 | dpkg | i heard freeze is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing is done when the <release goals> are achieved. |
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| 08:12.54 | gnarface | Ormie: ^^^ does that help? |
| 08:13.01 | gnarface | Ormie: basically "when its done" |
| 08:13.06 | Ormie | cool |
| 08:13.09 | Ormie | but |
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| 08:13.26 | gnarface | Ormie: but squeeze is so old, i know. its recommended you try backports first before running testing |
| 08:13.34 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Ormie about backports |
| 08:13.35 | Ormie | why do they have to freeze, why not do it until it's stable? |
| 08:13.59 | Ormie | oic |
| 08:14.14 | gnarface | Ormie: because they have to have time to fix bugs with no new bugs being introduced, that's why the freeze |
| 08:14.16 | sep | Ormie, freeze means, "only fix bugs, do not make new ones" it's the process of making it stable |
| 08:14.35 | Ormie | oh, i see |
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| 08:15.19 | sep | Ormie, also you can look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ; when the green line gets close to 0, it's release time |
| 08:15.36 | gnarface | Ormie: for now, it is recommended that you use squeeze (stable) if at all possible, and just backport anything you need |
| 08:15.38 | Ormie | ok |
| 08:16.08 | gnarface | Ormie: there is a #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net for wheezy/sid though |
| 08:16.43 | StuckMojo | aminpy: what kernel are you running? |
| 08:16.47 | Ormie | gnarface, i also heard they say gimp 2.8 will be on wheezy, is it in backports for squeeze? |
| 08:17.08 | gnarface | Ormie: i don't know but i bet it is. there is a way to check |
| 08:18.11 | gnarface | Ormie: hmm. it is not in backports yet but it is in SID so theoretically you could backport it yourself. |
| 08:18.17 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Ormie about ssb |
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| 08:18.38 | gnarface | Ormie: backporting stuff from sid is often easy ... gimp might be somewhat ambitious |
| 08:18.39 | themill | good luck backporting gimp |
| 08:19.00 | gnarface | expects he would need to backport multilib |
| 08:19.21 | Ormie | ok |
| 08:19.22 | gnarface | er, i mean multiarch |
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| 08:19.46 | stephan48 | hi what packages do i need to crosscompile on amd64 for the raspberry pi(arm)? |
| 08:20.01 | gnarface | stephan48: i wanna know that too! |
| 08:20.57 | gnarface | Ormie: if you absolutely must try testing or unstable, i recommend you still install stable to begin with and upgrade from there |
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| 08:22.01 | StuckMojo | if all you want is gimp, you could always just build it from source |
| 08:22.40 | StuckMojo | which is essentially what a backport is, but a little easier sometimes |
| 08:23.07 | raboof | what would be a good network managers, when my requirements are having an easy gui for selecting WiFi networks and being able to have both wifi and wired connections at the same time? I liked wicd so far but that doesn't really support having both wired and wireless enabled at the same time (they have it planned for wicd2 but afaics work on that hasn't really started yet) |
| 08:25.30 | StuckMojo | uhhh....NetworkManager |
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| 08:26.15 | StuckMojo | aka network-manager |
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| 08:27.13 | gnarface | raboof: wifi-radar? |
| 08:28.51 | jair | I actually got it and will be making a very intutitive tutorial for neebies like me :) |
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| 08:29.24 | jair | java installation and firefox chrome browser plugin |
| 08:29.29 | jair | :) |
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| 08:29.42 | jair | is going to bed now 3:30am |
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| 08:30.43 | StuckMojo | jair: ditto |
| 08:30.48 | StuckMojo | central time sux |
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| 08:31.22 | jair | LOL |
| 08:31.25 | jair | yep |
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| 08:34.24 | penrod | greetings: anybody want to take a crack on helping me with why my root partition is full ? |
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| 08:35.32 | gnarface | penrod: because you forgot to keep it separate from /var? |
| 08:35.48 | gnarface | penrod: or perhaps you forgot to keep it separate from /tmp ? |
| 08:36.02 | penrod | gnarface: good guess, but incorrect |
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| 08:37.54 | penrod | gnarface: yuou may something there about /tmp , what more can you tell me ? |
| 08:38.27 | gnarface | penrod: i can tell you that the command 'du -sh /tmp' will tell you how much space /tmp uses |
| 08:39.02 | penrod | root@techstar3:/# du -sh /tmp |
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| 08:39.04 | penrod | 0 /tmp |
| 08:39.09 | gnarface | penrod: i can also tell you that there are certain cases where working with full root partitions may require that you boot from a separate root partition (like using a livecd for example) |
| 08:39.18 | gnarface | penrod: how about /boot? |
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| 08:39.39 | penrod | root@techstar3:/# du -sh /boot/ |
| 08:39.41 | penrod | 15M /boot/ |
| 08:39.50 | penrod | sorry about the 2 lines |
| 08:39.57 | DotHack | penrod: what about du --si --max-depth=1 / |
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| 08:40.39 | penrod | one moment s.v.p. |
| 08:40.39 | DotHack | penrod: mayba add -x to see only 1 fs, so no other mounts like proc and sys |
| 08:41.07 | penrod | too late, the operation is in progress |
| 08:41.27 | DotHack | penrod: ctrl-c? |
| 08:41.47 | penrod | if I must, what about my malbec ? |
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| 08:42.13 | gnarface | dpkg, malbec? |
| 08:42.15 | dpkg | gnarface: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:42.52 | penrod | DotHack: http://pastebin.ca/2163162 |
| 08:43.13 | penrod | gnarface: I wish :) |
| 08:43.46 | DotHack | penrod: only 140M in use? maybe some deleted files in use by a daemon? do a lsof | grep deleted |
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| 08:44.29 | gnarface | penrod: i'm just curious... pastebin us the output of df -h? |
| 08:44.44 | gnarface | penrod: to be clear: df -h |
| 08:44.55 | penrod | DotHack: http://pastebin.ca/2163163 |
| 08:45.13 | penrod | gnarface: coming up |
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| 08:46.01 | penrod | gnarface: http://pastebin.ca/2163164 |
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| 08:46.04 | Knaldgas | My dnsmasq receives a lot of requests from outside my network (DDOS?), and it forwards those requests to the upstream ns. How do I handle this situation? I want my ns to handle requests from the local network, but ignore requests from "the world" |
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| 08:46.54 | gnarface | Knaldgas: uh... just read the man page and configure it to only answer on an internal ip address |
| 08:47.01 | gnarface | Knaldgas: ? |
| 08:47.11 | djcb | shotwell aborts at startup in sid :( |
| 08:47.14 | djcb | ERROR:/tmp/buildd/shotwell-0.12.3/src/DirectoryMonitor.vala:511:directory_monitor_real_internal_notify_file_discovered: assertion failed: (updated) |
| 08:47.32 | DotHack | penrod: maybe there is data underneath a mount point? |
| 08:47.39 | gnarface | penrod: oh! i see why your root partition is full! its way to fucking small! |
| 08:48.23 | penrod | gnarface: what size would you make your root partition ? |
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| 08:48.38 | pjc_ | morning |
| 08:48.48 | penrod | DotHack: I don't understand |
| 08:48.52 | gnarface | penrod: disk space is cheap so usually i never give it less than 2GB these days |
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| 08:49.21 | DotHack | penrod: did you have data in your /var folder before you mounted it to another hard disk? |
| 08:49.32 | penrod | gnarface: it was before the Thailand floods |
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| 08:49.36 | gnarface | penrod: kernels take up a lot of space in /boot, so if you uninstall some older kernels you're not using, that might free up enough space for you |
| 08:50.13 | penrod | DotHack: it was a clean install, /usr & /var are (in my world) always done on separate partitions |
| 08:50.26 | gnarface | penrod: my /boot is 1900MB alone |
| 08:50.33 | gnarface | penrod: sorry i meant 190MB |
| 08:50.47 | DotHack | penrod: what kind of fs are you using on root? maybe it just reports it cleared inodes.. |
| 08:51.13 | Knaldgas | gnarface: I have read that man-page multiple times, but I'm obviously missing the important parts... dnsmasq can bind to a specific interface, but I can't see how I can restrict it to answer only from the local ip-range... |
| 08:51.41 | gnarface | Knaldgas: well... why the hell are you routing traffic from the public into that range in the first place?! |
| 08:51.51 | penrod | DotHack: ext4 |
| 08:52.13 | DotHack | penrod: doesnt... i really think some daemon is not releasing inodes... maybe lsof | grep DEL will show more |
| 08:52.30 | gnarface | penrod: by default, ext4 does reserve a lot of blocks for "system use" |
| 08:52.46 | gnarface | penrod: you can change that though |
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| 08:53.15 | DotHack | gnarface: this is default 5% right? |
| 08:53.27 | Knaldgas | gnarface: Well, I'm on a ISP provided router behind which my server is located. |
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| 08:53.40 | penrod | DotHack: http://pastebin.ca/2163167 |
| 08:54.04 | gnarface | Knaldgas: in a standard NAT setup, binding a daemon to an internal IP *only* on the NAT should be sufficient to keep public requests from hitting said daemon unless you got something... really wrong |
| 08:54.24 | gnarface | Knaldgas: are you not on a NAT? are all these machines on public IPs |
| 08:54.27 | gnarface | Knaldgas: ? |
| 08:54.35 | DotHack | penrod: maybe fsck? |
| 08:54.38 | gnarface | DotHack: 5% sounds right, i forget |
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| 08:55.06 | Knaldgas | gnarface: All machines on local net is behind nat, incl. the server. The router forwards all external traffic to that machine |
| 08:55.15 | DotHack | penrod: really looks like a problem with inodes that are deleted but not reported in the fs |
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| 08:55.46 | Knaldgas | gnarface: hmmm... I should provide a second IP-address for the server, and define it as the "external" interface? |
| 08:55.50 | penrod | DotHack: ok, just trying to remember where fsck is /usr/sbin .... |
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| 08:56.13 | DotHack | penrod: please be carefull doing this on a mounted fs...!! |
| 08:56.19 | gnarface | Knaldgas: or you could use bind instead of dnsmasq, which has the ip-filtering features you want |
| 08:56.40 | DotHack | penrod: maybe first use fsck -n for only check not repair |
| 08:56.44 | gnarface | Knaldgas: alternately you could just setup a software firewall with iptables or something |
| 08:56.45 | penrod | DotHack: I appreciate your caution warning |
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| 08:58.15 | Knaldgas | gnarface: Will look into that, thanks! |
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| 09:01.42 | DotHack | penrod: i dont think this is it.. there is only a different on maybe 50 blocks.. |
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| 09:06.03 | penrod | DotHack: I thank you for your efforts |
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| 09:12.16 | matlads | what is the difference between 'dselect update' and 'apt-get update' |
| 09:13.22 | JPT | man dselect <- read the second paragraph of the description-section ;) |
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| 09:13.40 | JPT | or maybe the whole section |
| 09:13.42 | fairway | hi all |
| 09:13.49 | JPT | tl;dr: apt is recommended. |
| 09:14.24 | fairway | I set up cyrus-imapd on debian without problem. I can even access the mailbox from my mobile. but when I send an email to the host it is not being put in the mailbox |
| 09:14.28 | fairway | what could be wrong there? |
| 09:15.06 | JPT | fairway: depends on the component that is supposed to accept the mail and deliver it to cyrus. |
| 09:15.17 | JPT | check your mail logs |
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| 09:17.49 | cvr | fairway: is the mail being delivered to /var/spool/mail and cyrus is reading ~/Mail? |
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| 09:20.46 | DotHack | gnarface: my fs also reports a 200mb difference, but it 8GB so i dont care... |
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| 09:22.10 | Maccer | Is the debian stable/squeeze lighttpd package alright? It's not aliased or linked as lighttpd, doesn't come with an initscript (not that I expected it, but afaik I think it provides it), and installs in /usr/sbin ... |
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| 09:25.34 | ansgar | Maccer: There should be an initscript. And /usr/sbin seems the right location for a daemon binary. |
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| 09:27.00 | Maccer | ansgar: Yeah, I forgot it's supposed to be ran as port 80 anyways. |
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| 09:28.52 | Maccer | Apparently the initscript is supposed to be in the /doc... but I don't see it |
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| 09:30.21 | raven737 | Hi, i am trying to upgrade lenny to squeeze using: http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps . On the step to install udev i got an error with apt-get so i used aptitude and it suggested a resolution and i accepted and it insatlled. Problem is now that i have no network. So i guess that was wrong. What now? :( |
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| 09:31.43 | raven737 | I mean the interface name specified in udev is not used and although the interface is up i can not ping anything / no rx. So i guess udev is not working. What can i do to fix it? |
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| 09:32.39 | raven737 | Please help! :((( |
| 09:34.35 | antgel_ | hi all, looking for some advice on html editors. have some guys on the team looking to get into developing on a linux box. the vim / emacs learning curve will be too much, and eclipse looks pretty much not cut out for this. they want an ide-style thing, but i think there must be some good middleweight alternatives. anyone want to make any suggestions about a good alternative we can try? i myself use emacs and don't know much ab |
| 09:36.21 | pjc_ | antgel_: for HTML I use geany |
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| 09:36.44 | pjc_ | antgel_: anjunta more of an IDE tho |
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| 09:39.09 | raven737 | uhh never mind, it worked after i deleted the old 70-persistand net rules files and rebooted... |
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| 09:41.51 | f4cl3y | hi guys |
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| 09:42.08 | DotHack | antgel: netbeans? ide also good for php js html |
| 09:42.33 | DotHack | antgel_: netbeans? |
| 09:42.39 | f4cl3y | I am going to create a local debian repos, for a small office use |
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| 09:44.06 | f4cl3y | there are alot of packages to use, which one is a good one? |
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| 09:45.17 | f4cl3y | nvm, i found what i am looking for ;) |
| 09:45.23 | f4cl3y | thanx anyway |
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| 10:04.50 | antgel_ | pjc_: sorry to get back late. was recommended geany in #web as well. looks very interesting. looking at git integration now |
| 10:06.47 | antgel_ | pjc_: i haven't heard of anjunta either, what do you mean by "more of an ide"? will certainly investigate it |
| 10:06.57 | pjc_ | antgel_: geany is more lightweight for sure |
| 10:07.25 | pjc_ | but for python projects I use anjunta |
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| 10:07.42 | antgel_ | pjc_: why? |
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| 10:13.47 | raven737 | Hi again, quick question, what kernel is squeeze supposed to have when upgraded? |
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| 10:14.36 | themill | raven737: /msg judd kernels |
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| 10:16.44 | raven737 | themill: thanks! |
| 10:18.10 | raven737 | During the lenny to squeeze upgrade it was recommended to install the current kernel (setting it to manual upgrade?) but now after the upgrade it is still using the old (linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 ) one. Should i just install the current squeeze one / is there a way to set the upgrade back to auotmatic? |
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| 10:22.53 | themill | raven737: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image~i; uname -r; dpkg --print-architecture" for us. |
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| 10:28.56 | pjc_ | antgel_: anjunta creates a project file etc, its better for larger projects |
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| 10:34.55 | antgel_ | pjc_: right. i see geany also has the concept of projects. same thing, no? |
| 10:37.21 | pjc_ | antgel_: in a way yes, but it only implements the basic features of an IDE |
| 10:37.59 | pjc_ | geany is not actually an IDE, just a text editor really |
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| 10:41.27 | raven737 | themill: I am trying, for some reason the interface names got scrambled... i am missing the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules file.. why is it not being created? |
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| 10:56.45 | untrusted | to be more specific: on linux console bell works, xkbbell -force works, if i set visible bell for my xterm this works, but normal bell in xterm doesn't work, i had some success using something like: "pactl load-module module-x11-bell sample=audio-volume-change" - but how do i just revert to normal pc speaker bell? |
| 10:58.05 | untrusted | (using sawfish) |
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| 11:08.18 | dleonardi_ | hi #debian! I've got some issues with my locale, and running dpkg-reconfigure locales, but i keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/UNB1xGZH . All i really want is en_US-UTF8 |
| 11:09.38 | dleonardi_ | i've generated the locales from scratch at least 10 times till now, i've always selected the locales i want, i've even edited locale.gen in /etc to only have that one, nothing ever changed. |
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| 11:11.09 | gnarface | Knaldgas: alternately you could just setup a software firewall with iptables or something |
| 11:11.21 | gnarface | woops, ignore me |
| 11:11.22 | joltcan | dleonardi_: couldnt you just put this in your .profile? export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 11:12.11 | dleonardi_ | joltcan: i kind of wanted to avoid that and am considering that as my last resort. I'd love to figure out why dpkg-reconfigure locales isnt working. |
| 11:12.17 | joltcan | dleonardi_: and make sure that is enabled in with the dpkg command you just used |
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| 11:12.36 | dleonardi_ | "make sure THAT is enabled" > what ? |
| 11:12.49 | dleonardi_ | oh the locale |
| 11:12.57 | joltcan | dleonardi_: that en_US.UTF-8 is enabled in dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:17.04 | WinstonSmith | how do i re-run a dkms install target that failed? |
| 11:17.30 | WinstonSmith | reconfigure the whole package? |
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| 11:19.25 | fairway | cvr: yes that could be the problem |
| 11:19.38 | fairway | JPT: would cyrus accept the mail? |
| 11:19.55 | JPT | i don't know... depends on the config it runs? |
| 11:20.05 | fairway | ok I iwll check |
| 11:20.11 | fairway | it should be in imapd.conf right? |
| 11:20.11 | JPT | check your mail.log, it usually tells you, what is wrong |
| 11:20.24 | JPT | you did set it up, did you? |
| 11:20.25 | fairway | k thanks |
| 11:20.31 | fairway | yes it was me on wheezy |
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| 11:20.43 | JPT | mh.. then you should already know where that config file is;) |
| 11:20.58 | fairway | I just wanted to make sure its imapd |
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| 11:21.41 | Defusal | good day everyone |
| 11:22.46 | Defusal | i have set "kernel.isolcpus = 2-7" in my sysctl.conf file and rebooted, yet software is still using all the systems cores |
| 11:22.54 | Defusal | does anyone know how i can fix this? |
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| 11:26.22 | snowrichard | hi |
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| 11:27.09 | caraconan | Good morning. I'm playing with LVS, but no way to redirect HTTP request to real servers (details on http://pastebin.com/LUFRefnq). Some TCP 80 packets arrives to real servers, but looks like replies not. Any simple example of LVS? Thanks |
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| 11:28.58 | aetoxx | If there are two files in /etc/sysctrl.d which contain a different value for the same configuration variable, what are the semantics? |
| 11:29.43 | aetoxx | I meant sysctl.d andI would also like to know how /etc/sysctl.conf would be involved. |
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| 11:30.48 | joltcan | aetoxx: Most of stuff that uses include will use regular file listing order. But I have not tried it for sysctl |
| 11:33.46 | sturles | Is it possible to convert network connections (keeping passwords) from NetworkManager 0.9 to 0.9? I upgraded to wheezy and the new NetworkManager don't want to read the old configuration. Making me lose access to ally my 163 configured wireless networks. :-( |
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| 11:35.18 | thewanderer1 | sturles, I think it's saved in the GNOME password manager ("wallet") and that's the place to look - there is also dconf replacing gconf2 which might contain saved settings other than passwords |
| 11:35.30 | thewanderer1 | but I don't know a ready way of converting that |
| 11:36.27 | sturles | How do I read this wallet? |
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| 11:37.34 | thewanderer1 | that's probably a good question for #gnome - there's a GNOME2 application that does it under System->Preferences, but for GNOME3, I haven't seen one |
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| 11:38.06 | sturles | I'll try #gome. Thanks. |
| 11:38.13 | thewanderer1 | the worst that could happen is having to open the old home directory on a different install (chroot?) with GNOME2 and retyping the lot :P |
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| 11:50.40 | __gilles | https://www.poolp.org/stats |
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| 11:50.41 | __gilles | oups |
| 11:50.45 | __gilles | sorry sorry sorry sorry |
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| 11:54.57 | cusco | hi |
| 11:55.17 | cusco | Im using ghostscript to convert pdf to tiff |
| 11:56.56 | Ormie | hello, if i don't like gnome, how do i remove it and install another desktop environment (sudo apt-get remove gnome) won't work. |
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| 11:58.03 | Ormie | the only question is, how do i completely remove gnome only? |
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| 12:00.37 | cusco | Im using ghostscript to convert pdf to tiff, so I can send a fax. I would like to use trueType fonts... any hints? |
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| 12:08.07 | Ormie | dpkg, boo |
| 12:08.07 | dpkg | dies from a heart attack thanks to ormie |
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| 12:08.12 | Ormie | XD |
| 12:08.22 | pippijn | hi all, I'm getting this on apt-get upgrade: E: Internal Error, No file name for libustr-1.0-1 |
| 12:08.22 | Ormie | you are welcome |
| 12:08.31 | pippijn | (I also get it in aptitude) |
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| 12:13.09 | Ormie | !boo | Ormie |
| 12:13.14 | Ormie | ? |
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| 12:15.15 | pippijn | fixed it |
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| 12:18.14 | DotHack | Ormie: apt-get install <other windowsmanager> |
| 12:18.31 | Ormie | DotHack, and uninstalling gnome? |
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| 12:19.26 | DotHack | Ormie: maybe use aptitude to deselct gnome-window-manager |
| 12:19.52 | Ormie | DotHack, um, what command? |
| 12:19.56 | caraconan | Good morning. I'm playing with LVS, but no way to redirect HTTP request to real servers (details on http://pastebin.com/LUFRefnq). Some TCP 80 packets arrives to real servers, but looks like replies not. Any simple example of LVS? Thanks |
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| 12:30.32 | DotHack | Ormie: thnx... |
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| 12:30.58 | kesroesweyth | I've noticed my ubuntu install has been running slowly lately. htop says polkitd is using 55% of the system memory. Is that normal? |
| 12:31.01 | ppii | hi |
| 12:31.34 | Ormie | !tell kesroesweyth about based on debian |
| 12:31.42 | WormFood | kesroesweyth, wrong channel, this channel is for debian, try #ubuntu |
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| 12:32.02 | kesroesweyth | ah, figured they were closely related enough, ill try #ubuntu |
| 12:32.03 | kesroesweyth | thanks |
| 12:32.10 | WormFood | does debian stable support being installed on an iscsi target? |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | it should |
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| 12:32.45 | Ormie | dpkg |
| 12:32.46 | WormFood | google is returning older pages when I search. |
| 12:32.52 | Ormie | dpkg, boo! |
| 12:32.52 | dpkg | dies from a heart attack thanks to ormie |
| 12:33.04 | abrotman | Ormie: you can msg the bot if you wan tto play with it |
| 12:33.42 | Ormie | k |
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| 12:36.46 | Ormie | i am a fan of debian |
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| 12:41.02 | WormFood | I'm not finding anything on debian.org about installing to iscsi. Am I overlooking it? or is it hidden? |
| 12:41.50 | Ormie | google is that way, sir. |
| 12:41.54 | Ormie | ---> |
| 12:41.59 | bzed | WormFood: I think there is no support for that in the installer yet, not ure. boot the installer in expert mode and see if you can load iscsi stuff into it |
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| 12:43.52 | WormFood | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#id445495 no mention of iscsi. I think you're right bzed, but I could have sworn I saw some reference to iscsi when installing...maybe I just imagined it |
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| 12:44.57 | abrotman | thought it was there |
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| 12:45.38 | abrotman | WormFood: ugh, it's a dkms, you could create a custom ISO with that module and do it I suppose |
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| 12:46.12 | WormFood | well, the machine I want to install to, has no dvd/cd drive, so it'd be off usb |
| 12:46.45 | Bauer | Is there any tool to automate DHCP server? like adding/removing hosts and their assigned IP, without doing nasty modifications to config file using awk, grep, etc? |
| 12:46.55 | WormFood | the computer is a little flaky...any hard drive over about 20 gig, and it randomly crashes....but iscsi is faster than the local hard drive anyways ;) (no kidding) |
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| 12:50.53 | thewanderer1 | Bauer, writing a simple web GUI can't be hard :) (and dnsmasq has simple config syntax, too - that's what most "home router" use) |
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| 12:53.30 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, honestly, I'd go with debootstrap if I were you and not bother with d-i - it's not like you're going to be using GRUB, anyway |
| 12:53.35 | Bauer | thewanderer1: of course, but first of all - the goal is total automation without human involvement, and secondly - doing that via scripts doing awk, grep etc is good for home applications perhaps, not for industry level |
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| 12:54.21 | bardzusny | Bauer: openwrt handles that nicely, but probably not what you're looking for |
| 12:54.25 | thewanderer1 | Bauer, well, scripting is for automation - and it's hard to do manage a network without a human involvement, don't you think? :P |
| 12:54.31 | bardzusny | hmm |
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| 12:54.49 | WormFood | I'm thinking grub should work on iscsi |
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| 12:55.13 | abrotman | WormFood: well, you get teh iddea anyway |
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| 12:55.35 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, you'd be booting off PXE, so no GRUB probably |
| 12:55.45 | thewanderer1 | unless you really really want to install on the hard disk :) |
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| 12:56.20 | Defusal | can anyone tell me how i can use cgroups to limit all processes started by the kernel to the first two cpu cores, so that no process ever uses the rest of the cores? |
| 12:56.26 | WormFood | iscsi presents itself as a hard drive....which means you still have to partition it like a normal drive |
| 12:56.34 | Bauer | thewanderer1: no, when you auto provision servers to customers, and need to set up their DHCP settings in the network automatically |
| 12:57.11 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, you'd use the cpuset cgroup and assign all processes, including init, to that cgroup. cgconfig can do that automatically for you. |
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| 12:57.49 | WormFood | I couldn't for the life of me get windows XP to install on an iScsi target, so I installed it to a local hard drive, then imaged it to the iscsi server, and booted from the image, and it worked perfectly. Windows 7 installed to an iScsi target with no problems. I haven't tried debootstrap before, that sounds like it may do the trick for me |
| 12:57.54 | Defusal | thewanderer1, are there details of this somewhere in the kernel cgroup documentation? |
| 12:58.15 | WormFood | and because I'm working with hard drive images, I can mount them like normal, with an offset to the partition, and edit the files on it, and then try to boot from iScsi |
| 12:58.32 | Defusal | i havn't been able to find anything |
| 12:58.57 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, well, this? http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cgroups/cpusets.txt |
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| 12:59.26 | thewanderer1 | also, check out RedHat's documentation - it's actually decent regarding cgconfig and cgrulesengine (cgred), since most of it is RedHat and IBM code I think |
| 12:59.27 | WormFood | and just for fun, I created a 4 terabyte sparse file, as a hard drive image (on a 1.5 TB hard drive), and it works as expected :D |
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| 13:00.04 | Defusal | thewanderer1, using cpusets i'm pretty sure i'd have to manually assign every pid after boot |
| 13:00.27 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, yes, but 1. cgconfig can do that for you and 2. children processes inherit the cgroup |
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| 13:02.00 | thewanderer1 | Bauer, you started by asking for a tool to automate DHCP host assignment, but what you clearly need is a system integrated with your provisioning solution, so I really can't recommend anything other than simply finding one specifically suited for this or adding this functionality |
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| 13:02.40 | Defusal | thewanderer1, ok using the config with the init process should work? |
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| 13:02.58 | Defusal | and will other cgroups then be able to override that cgroup? |
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| 13:03.06 | Defusal | since everything technically origionates from init |
| 13:03.12 | WormFood | https://sites.google.com/site/apisodeproject/iscsi-boot-debian-6-0 <-- oohh...this looks promising :D then I saw it has 5 lines, one line is copyright, and the content is "to be continued" :( WTF?!? |
| 13:03.16 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, there's a "default" clause in cgconfig IIRC, which lets you specify which group all processes end up in, and yes, you can override that |
| 13:03.28 | Defusal | ok, awesome, thanks! |
| 13:03.49 | pfrost_ | is there a way i can express that I want a kernel from squeeze-backports with pinning? I tried pinning linux-image-amd64 to backports and that seemed to do nothing. I can pin linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 to backports, but then I don't suppose a newer kernel version would be detected as an upgradable package. |
| 13:04.18 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, see? it uses debootstrap. so go ahead and roll your system :P |
| 13:04.48 | dvs | pfrost_: I dont think you have to pin linux-image-amd64 |
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| 13:05.52 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, are you running with wheezy or sid repositories along your backports? cause if not, then you just install the package from backports and it's kept up to date by apt. |
| 13:06.00 | WormFood | http://wiki.debian.org/SAN/iSCSI <-- Why is this so hard to find via google? |
| 13:06.24 | WormFood | thewanderer1, just because I found that info on some random page, does not mean it is accurate. Maybe it was some random thoughts on his part. ;P |
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| 13:06.45 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, assuming that you install a metapackage, that is - a particular version like linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 won't be updated, as you assumed |
| 13:06.55 | WormFood | that is how I found the debian iscsi wiki page, by trying to find out more about init4boot |
| 13:07.05 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: yes, the problem is that i'm installing the package through puppet, which has no way to express the "-t squeeze-backports" option to apt-get isntall, so I have to do it with pinning. |
| 13:07.15 | WormFood | so....that page does seem to be right, so I'm gonna see what I can do |
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| 13:08.03 | WormFood | and why is there not more info on the subject? There are no how-to's for debian 6? |
| 13:08.27 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, hint hint: it's much easier to go NFS-root than iSCSI-root |
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| 13:08.55 | WormFood | thewanderer1, you're killing me |
| 13:08.56 | pfrost_ | WormFood: +1 NFS root |
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| 13:09.08 | WormFood | I like iscsi |
| 13:09.18 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, that, or having a BIOS which actually supports iSCSI initiator :) |
| 13:09.32 | pfrost_ | WormFood: maybe you will like NFS more after you can get it to work after having been unable to get iSCSI working. |
| 13:09.42 | WormFood | the thing I like about iscsi, is it gives me the flexibility to make copies of the hard drive images |
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| 13:09.51 | thewanderer1 | hard links. |
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| 13:10.05 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, so pin it and expect it to only ever update the package if a new version of the same package appears in squeeze-backports |
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| 13:10.09 | WormFood | that is sorta like a virtual computer's hard drive, with a real computer....being able to roll back in time, to a previous image |
| 13:10.15 | pfrost_ | WormFood: what? I do that with NFS all the time. Just take an LVM snapshot of the underlying block device on the NFS server. |
| 13:10.33 | thewanderer1 | and if your NFS server is ZFS, too... profit! |
| 13:10.42 | WormFood | and yes, I actually removed the ethernet boot rom from my bios, and replaced it with gpxe...it is nice....so yes, it does have native iscsi support :D |
| 13:11.10 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, so if you have native iSCSI support, does that mean it emulates the iSCSI remote disk as local SCSI? :) |
| 13:11.25 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: if you are suggesting that i pin linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64, that's kind of what i'm trying to avoid. |
| 13:11.25 | WormFood | at the bios level, yes, i believe so |
| 13:11.58 | WormFood | I can boot windows xp/vista/7 directly off iscsi, and install windows 7 natively to iscsi with no additional crap. |
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| 13:12.12 | pfrost_ | actually, maybe something else is broken. |
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| 13:12.29 | WormFood | I expected Linux to be just as easy to do |
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| 13:13.01 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, then you install Debian with debootstrap and then boot it directly |
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| 13:14.41 | WormFood | once the cpu switches into 32-bit mode, you no longer get access to the bios, so it needs to be able to handle that aspect of it...that is why I think they needed the modified init |
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| 13:15.18 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: so, it looks like for some reason, i've pinned linux-image-amd64 to backports, but that isn't enough to convince apt to install the backports linux-image-amd64 over the squeeze one. Why is that? |
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| 13:16.04 | dvs | pfrost_: You can install both but the wheezy one will be the default because it's newer |
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| 13:16.29 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, what's your apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 output? |
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| 13:16.44 | thewanderer1 | WormFood, ah, true... then you do need init4boot, it seems :/ |
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| 13:17.41 | thewanderer1 | also, this http://www.held.org.il/blog/2010/10/booting-linux-from-iscsi/ |
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| 13:18.08 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/175471/ |
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| 13:18.57 | WormFood | thanks for that url thewanderer1 |
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| 13:19.49 | snowrichard | hi |
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| 13:20.51 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: it's odd that linux-image-amd64 isn't showing in the list of pinned packages, isn't it? |
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| 13:22.12 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, are you sure that preferences.d gets loaded? |
| 13:22.58 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: well, you can see it's loading the pacemaker preferences that are also in there, but otherwise i'm not sure how to check. |
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| 13:23.30 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, maybe the pacemaker is in /etc/apt/preferences... |
| 13:23.52 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: it's not. Though now I see I'm missing a : after Pin |
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| 13:25.27 | snowrichard | is debian-offtopic banning web gateway users? |
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| 13:25.46 | aetoxx | How can I pretty print json on the command line? |
| 13:26.02 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: ok, now it's showing up in apt-cache policy, and aptitude upgrade tells me "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.", but it doesn't offer to upgrade the package :/ |
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| 13:26.33 | thewanderer1 | pfrost_, maybe it needs dist-upgrade? |
| 13:26.36 | Defusal | thewanderer1, i don't seem to be able to find any documentation about a default cgroup |
| 13:27.31 | pfrost_ | thewanderer1: oh...well it looks like i need to add some pinning to allow other dependencies to be installed from backports. |
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| 13:29.18 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, http://www.mail-archive.com/libcg-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg01449.html |
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| 13:29.32 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, also, the default is to be set in /etc/cgrules.conf I think |
| 13:29.43 | eventide | hello. I have the base debian system installed. what is the name of a utility I can use to use a second monitor? |
| 13:29.58 | dvs | xrandr |
| 13:30.38 | eventide | is it possible to use a second monitor without X? |
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| 13:32.29 | gnarface | eventide: seems like something few people would want to do. |
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| 13:32.37 | abrotman | thinks it sounds fun |
| 13:32.50 | gnarface | eventide: it should be *possible* but that still leaves the question of availability of tools |
| 13:32.50 | ksk | im just wondering of his usecase ;) |
| 13:33.20 | untrusted | maybe opengl |
| 13:33.22 | gnarface | can you tie virtual terminals to individual keyboards? |
| 13:33.29 | gnarface | and have a bunch of usb ones? |
| 13:33.40 | eventide | clearly it can be done, large computers can have multiple terminals with seperate keyboard inputs and everything |
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| 13:34.17 | eventide | there has to be a way to direct a tty session to a second monitor |
| 13:34.43 | gnarface | if the monitor is conneted to a second video card it should be possible |
| 13:34.57 | gnarface | if its a single dual-head video card though you may run into a limitation of drivers |
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| 13:35.24 | gnarface | eventide: but X does this very well, why not just use X? |
| 13:35.29 | June20 | iirc ttys can be configured to run directly against serial ports parallell to a graphical monitor i guess it should work? |
| 13:35.34 | Defusal | thewanderer1, oh great, thanks :) |
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| 13:36.40 | June20 | if you use the acceled console drivers it should be possible to do prety much anything technically |
| 13:36.42 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, just keep in mind that dynamic cgroup assignment doesn't really work, you need to use cgexec or a custom kernel if you want netlink notifications |
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| 13:37.18 | thewanderer1 | eventide, large computers you're thinking of were mainframes, with serial terminals which had their own displays :) |
| 13:37.28 | thewanderer1 | (also, they went the way of dinosaurs) |
| 13:38.08 | untrusted | thewanderer1: nah - they just changed names, they are now called g..gle and a...oid |
| 13:38.20 | June20 | well mainframes have a tad bit different approach to monitors :o) |
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| 13:38.37 | eventide | xterm is still a terminal emulator |
| 13:38.56 | eventide | you can already alt+arrowkeys to switch to different terminals |
| 13:39.03 | thewanderer1 | the thing is, those were serial connections on something akin to modem lines, not just displays hooked into the system directly :P |
| 13:39.27 | June20 | thewanderer1: could be yes |
| 13:39.39 | thewanderer1 | (guess what, with a serial terminal you have no vty's and you can't switch consoles, other than moving to another terminal physically) |
| 13:39.40 | June20 | thewanderer1: but theres actual native monitors on mainframes |
| 13:39.44 | eventide | so what is writing the virtual terminal to the screen then? |
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| 13:40.12 | thewanderer1 | eventide, some graphics driver in the kernel, to which the most popular interface is X.org... |
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| 13:40.27 | Defusal | thewanderer1, "doesn't really work", in what way? |
| 13:40.53 | Defusal | i don't need notifications, i monitor the processes pids |
| 13:40.59 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609004 doesn't detect setuid/setgid changes on default config, I think |
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| 13:41.15 | thewanderer1 | so if you want to run something in a different cgroup, you need to execute it via cgexec |
| 13:41.16 | Defusal | sigh |
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| 13:41.37 | Defusal | so then i can't make a default cgroup anyway... |
| 13:41.46 | Defusal | because it will run user processes as root? |
| 13:41.46 | eventide | thewanderer1: I'm not using X |
| 13:42.08 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, well, a default cgroup surely works because it's cgrulesengd assigning them on start - the problem is automatic assignment later |
| 13:42.27 | June20 | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142522 |
| 13:42.35 | June20 | check ConnorBehan's post |
| 13:42.36 | Defusal | thewanderer1, so it should be fine to manually assign the groups when starting new processes with cgexec? |
| 13:42.48 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, for example, on this laptop, I have a "bad" cgroup for Skype which limits memory to prevent system crashes, but I have to launch it like this: cgexec skype - only then will it "land" in the proper cgroup |
| 13:42.53 | Defusal | if that is the case, that is perfect, since my own software will be doing the management |
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| 13:43.21 | Defusal | ok, that sounds fine for my use case, thanks thewanderer1 |
| 13:43.38 | June20 | eventide: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142522 check connorbehans post |
| 13:44.01 | Defusal | i just need to get all processes off most of the cores, and be able to start new processes on specific cores |
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| 13:44.23 | Defusal | so i'll just make a group for each core then i guess |
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| 13:45.46 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, btw. Linux has had CPU affinity setting for years - http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html without cgroups, just so you know :P |
| 13:46.06 | thewanderer1 | (but yeah, cgroups are easier to manage) |
| 13:46.18 | Defusal | thewanderer1, and i would be using it if my kernel supported the isolcpus parameter :( |
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| 13:46.26 | Defusal | that would be easier to implement |
| 13:46.40 | Defusal | but im not going to recompile my kernel without physical access to the box |
| 13:47.12 | eventide | June20: thanks |
| 13:47.14 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, what, your kernel doesn't support CPU affinity? |
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| 13:47.50 | thewanderer1 | aha, you mean the scheduler puts tasks on random cores without that parameter :P |
| 13:48.00 | Defusal | isolcpus is the only sane way to limit the kernels processes to specific cores, i would not want to manually set the affinity of every pid after boot |
| 13:48.30 | thewanderer1 | yeah, cgroups then |
| 13:48.53 | Defusal | realtime single threaded servers are not happy when other processes start using their cores |
| 13:49.16 | Defusal | yeah, cgroups seems to be my only option, but it looks like it should work |
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| 13:51.04 | dokma|2 | tar | pv | ssh 'cat > file' dies for me when trying to copy a partition, probably due to the change in ip |
| 13:51.11 | June20 | hmm. is it any usefulness in making a program a kernel process and lock cores to its processes? |
| 13:51.12 | dokma|2 | is there a way to make this resumable? |
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| 13:52.31 | thewanderer1 | dokma, hmm, nohup? |
| 13:53.08 | dokma | thewanderer1: hmm... how would a nohup help when the change in ip kills ssh ? |
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| 13:53.22 | thewanderer1 | probably |
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| 13:54.39 | June20 | what about tar and sftp |
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| 14:08.35 | jelly | ,checkbackport remmina |
| 14:08.40 | judd | Backporting package remmina in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev, libvte-2.90-dev, libfreerdp-dev (>= 1.0), libavahi-ui-gtk3-dev (>= 0.6.0). |
| 14:08.57 | thewanderer1 | it's GTK. you lost :) |
| 14:09.23 | Ormie | .gimp |
| 14:09.27 | Ormie | ? |
| 14:09.32 | Ormie | how do i use it? |
| 14:09.40 | Ormie | how do i use judd? |
| 14:09.45 | jelly | thewanderer1: gtk is not a problem, but gtk3 kinda of is |
| 14:10.19 | thewanderer1 | jelly, yes, that's why I haven't got my thinkpad fingerprint reader to work yet... who would've thought a fingerprint library would depend on GTK? |
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| 14:11.44 | Joshun | hi |
| 14:11.58 | Joshun | does anyone here use google chrome on debian squeeze? |
| 14:12.09 | thewanderer1 | apt-get install chromium-browser |
| 14:12.12 | Joshun | the tabs often get corrupted |
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| 14:13.02 | Joshun | i would use chromium but by machine doesn't seem to like the version of flash shipped with debian, only the version shipped with the official google chrome |
| 14:13.43 | jelly | thewanderer1: it used to work back in 2009! |
| 14:13.49 | thewanderer1 | jelly, exactly -.- |
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| 14:14.21 | thewanderer1 | Joshun, what exactly is the problem with flash in Chromium? |
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| 14:15.01 | nvz | chromium in debian is very dated and has issues I'm aware of as well. Had lots of facebook users complain because it renders only the header/footer of the page and no content |
| 14:15.24 | Joshun | thewanderer1: i am not exactly sure - it seems to just crash on my machine - perhaps its the old graphics card. the only version of flash that seems to work flawlessly is the one shipped with the official google chrome |
| 14:15.56 | nvz | however I noted issues with google-chrome deb packages as well.. it creates an icon in the menu when processing triggers for menu, then it dissapears in the next step where it processes triggers for gnome-menu |
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| 14:16.16 | thewanderer1 | Joshun, try Chrome/Chromium support channels or Google's help, Chrome is not part of Debian and debugging that non-free software could be hard |
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| 14:16.34 | Joshun | ok cheers |
| 14:16.40 | Joshun | i would use chromium if i could |
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| 14:17.00 | Joshun | i just rely on flash for alot of things (wish i wouldn't have to!) |
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| 14:17.18 | thewanderer1 | hint: for YouTube, there is a half-working player, "minitube" |
| 14:17.32 | nvz | there is also youtube html5 |
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| 14:17.41 | thewanderer1 | right, only some half of videos though |
| 14:17.48 | Joshun | yeah I use html5 all i can |
| 14:17.57 | Joshun | some sites rather annoyingly still need flash though |
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| 14:18.08 | nvz | and if minitube is that standalone app I'm thinking of, its less than half working in my experience.. I couldnt get it to play anything |
| 14:18.14 | thewanderer1 | and Iceweasel works better with Flash (and facebook.com!) most of the time |
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| 14:19.09 | nvz | that was my recommendation for the dumbest of people who contacted me when the chromium/facebook issue imerged.. to just use iceweasel |
| 14:19.19 | Joshun | yeah iceweasel is great. the flash that chromium and iceweasel use doesn't seem to work properly with my hardware though |
| 14:19.36 | thewanderer1 | what graphics driver is that, anyway? |
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| 14:20.07 | Joshun | its not non-free |
| 14:20.10 | nvz | Joshun: well you realize "the flash" you speak of is merely a single library file, it can be extracted from the package you claim to work, placed somewhere and linked to where iceweasel/chromium look for it |
| 14:20.18 | Joshun | its a radeon driver |
| 14:20.28 | nvz | if that causes the same problems then you know its not flash itself |
| 14:20.33 | Joshun | i'll have a look for the exact name if you want |
| 14:20.36 | Joshun | its rather old |
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| 14:20.48 | Joshun | yeah |
| 14:21.07 | thewanderer1 | nvz, I think Adobe actually dropped Linux Flash support and now they only bundle the library with upstream Chrome |
| 14:21.07 | Joshun | i suppose i could try and symlink it to the standard location used by other browsers |
| 14:21.33 | nvz | thewanderer1: if that were the case the deb packages that install flash player would be broken, no? |
| 14:21.44 | thewanderer1 | nvz, no, they just pull in old versions... |
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| 14:22.01 | thewanderer1 | but, as some like to say it... "soon" |
| 14:22.05 | Joshun | well they are still supporting security updates for a few years i think |
| 14:22.09 | Joshun | but not new versions |
| 14:22.20 | nvz | and in any case nothing stops someone from treating the google-chrome*.deb like an archive and extracting the flashplayer.so file or w/e and using it |
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| 14:23.00 | Joshun | yeah. the api is due to change though - the newer chrome will use the pepper api, which is only compatible with browsers that support pepper. |
| 14:23.11 | thewanderer1 | which is Chrome :) |
| 14:23.12 | DotHack | when i insert my usb stick in the computer i first have to do a hdparm -z on it to recognize the prartitions |
| 14:23.20 | nvz | all the more reason flash sucks IMO |
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| 14:23.23 | abrotman | thewanderer1: but FF could too |
| 14:23.28 | thewanderer1 | could, yes |
| 14:23.31 | Joshun | yeah totally |
| 14:23.48 | untrusted | sometimes i have a segfault in rred while running apt-get update - others have seen this, too? |
| 14:24.31 | thewanderer1 | DotHack, what does dmesg show then? have you got HAL and any libgphoto* packages installed? |
| 14:25.26 | thewanderer1 | there was an issue with hal interacting badly with udev when supplied with libgphoto2 rules, which would cause udev to delay partition recognition - and I don't think it ever got resolved |
| 14:25.30 | DotHack | no hal and no gphoto.. its a headless machine |
| 14:25.44 | thewanderer1 | and dmesg? |
| 14:26.04 | nvz | DotHack: I've never encountered such an issue, nor have I used this utility I may suggest with a usb device or flash device, but I have had wonderful experiences with gpart if you believe the partition table may be corrupted |
| 14:26.14 | DotHack | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.ca/2163258 |
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| 14:26.44 | DotHack | nvz: nothing wrong with table it just doesnt scan when inserted |
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| 14:27.40 | Joshun | DotHack - if you do udisks --mount /dev/sdX does it mount? |
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| 14:28.15 | DotHack | Joshun: i do not have the udisk command |
| 14:28.15 | thewanderer1 | it seems that sdb1 is detected |
| 14:28.29 | DotHack | thewanderer1: yes later on when i did the hdparm. |
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| 14:29.07 | Joshun | oh. sorry can't remember what package that command is related to |
| 14:29.25 | thewanderer1 | DotHack, twice? |
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| 14:30.30 | DotHack | thewanderer1: probably yes |
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| 14:30.56 | thewanderer1 | can you obtain a dump of what happens when you only insert it and wait for a while, without calling the hdparm command? |
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| 14:31.27 | sweb | what's the web based controller panel hosting for debian ... using debian webservers php and more packages |
| 14:31.58 | DotHack | thewanderer1: i did this its the first part see the time stamps |
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| 14:32.43 | thewanderer1 | DotHack, timestamps from 61 to 66, but not 84+? |
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| 14:33.45 | nvz | sweb: there always was usermin/webmin but its rather crappy and insecure in the opinion of most everyone here |
| 14:33.59 | DotHack | thewanderer1: when i instert to process till 66 hapens |
| 14:34.11 | Ormie | what office suite did people used to use when debian was in text mode? |
| 14:34.20 | thewanderer1 | sweb, maybe ISPConfig? |
| 14:34.27 | DotHack | thewanderer1: the rest appears when i do the hdparm |
| 14:34.30 | thewanderer1 | Ormie, there were no office suites back then |
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| 14:34.49 | DotHack | Ormie: wordperfect hehe |
| 14:35.02 | sweb | nvz: is any enterprise and commercial control panel fully supported debain packages system ... i dont want to control panel using own php packages. i need debian standard php packages ... |
| 14:35.04 | Joshun | symlinking the plugin didn't seem to work. I'll try copying it instead |
| 14:35.21 | Ormie | thewanderer1, then, how does office people work on the console? |
| 14:35.40 | thewanderer1 | DotHack, well, that's odd. I've always had problems with SanDisk, though... is it one of those sticks which can double as a CD? maybe it requires mode setting O.o |
| 14:36.05 | nvz | sweb: I'm not following what you're asking.. when you say php packages I'm thinking the php framework, and anything that runs on php runs on that as far as I know |
| 14:36.13 | DotHack | thewanderer1: dunno.. i think it was on it originally but i removed it.. |
| 14:36.19 | thewanderer1 | Ormie, there were text editors and spreadsheets, and of course custom database management interfaces in curses and whatnot... why? :P |
| 14:36.45 | Ormie | huh? |
| 14:37.02 | nvz | sweb: its not even clear what you mean by control panel.. people make web frontends to do all kinds of tasks and call them such.. and all of them are a rather horrible idea |
| 14:37.03 | thewanderer1 | Ormie, what I mean: no "suites", just a bunch of programs |
| 14:37.12 | Ormie | ok |
| 14:37.29 | Joshun | doesn't seem to recognise the plugin even when copied. there must be some other config file somewhere |
| 14:37.35 | thewanderer1 | DotHack, you send an SCSI command to the pendrive and it sets itself to disk mode perhaps... |
| 14:37.37 | Ormie | thewanderer1, what's the name of the text editors and spreadsheets, etc... |
| 14:38.10 | sweb | nvz: take a look http://www.directadmin.com/install.html ... it's crapped install version of php and apache ... |
| 14:38.16 | thewanderer1 | Ormie, well, use apt-cache search and find out :) it's not hard to find software :P |
| 14:38.29 | Ormie | i can't guess |
| 14:38.32 | Ormie | i need clue |
| 14:38.34 | Ormie | :( |
| 14:39.45 | Joshun | Ormie - why don't you use a markup language with a text editor such as vim, emacs or nano. you could use latex for example, or even just html. |
| 14:39.55 | nvz | sweb: I have no idea what you're talking about.. looks like whatever that is, it depends on apache and php both of which are in debian |
| 14:40.08 | Ormie | ok |
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| 14:41.51 | nvz | sweb: i do however see the notice that it installs this stuff for you, which just goes to show how stupid people who make/use these things are |
| 14:42.15 | thewanderer1 | sweb, told ya, ISPConfig. and then there's also DTC, Debian-friendly. the bad ones (bundled crap) are cPanel, DirectAdmin, and countless others. that's it... |
| 14:42.45 | lcc | does debian have support for thai? |
| 14:43.12 | sweb | i found good one ... take a look ... but it seems for ubuntu server http://www.zentyal.org/ |
| 14:43.15 | sweb | :( |
| 14:43.27 | Defusal | anyone have experience with cgconfig.conf? i cannot get cgroups to work :( |
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| 14:45.12 | DotHack | thewanderer1: i think udev is the culprit there is some hdparm.rules file |
| 14:45.22 | nvz | Defusal: please be specific when asking about issues, if need be use something like paste.debian.net to paste configs or logs, explain what you are trying to do, what you've done and what didn't work |
| 14:46.03 | Defusal | nvz, setting a root group to default (using * * in the rules config file) and rebooting does not limit all processes to that cgroup, and using cgexec says "libcgroup initialization failed: Cgroup is not mounted" |
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| 14:47.45 | farchanjo | does someone know about libnss-ldap.conf? |
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| 14:48.08 | nvz | nope, it just appeared at the big bang, nobody knows why |
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| 14:48.27 | nvz | s/at/after/ |
| 14:49.56 | fasta | Is there some way to run a command when the machine is idle (i.e. no human is using it)? |
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| 14:50.34 | fasta | By that I mean something which doesn't run every minute or something via some script hack, but some concept which already exists in the kernel. |
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| 14:50.50 | nvz | fasta: that depends on what would signify that no human is using the machine |
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| 14:51.07 | nvz | fasta: the most common thing I can think of is a screen saver |
| 14:51.11 | fasta | nvz: no physical keyboard and/or mouse input in past 5 minutes. |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | fasta: why not just renice the process ? |
| 14:51.58 | fasta | nvz: I suppose the preconditions for the screensaver are what I mean, yes. |
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| 14:52.45 | fasta | abrotman: because some of these processes make my fan run faster. |
| 14:52.52 | abrotman | and what? |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | the fans are tired? |
| 14:53.09 | fasta | abrotman: and I would rather not have that noise when I am at the computer. |
| 14:53.10 | nvz | fasta: well what I was getting at is that the screen saver already does this and have tools to hook these events such as xscreensaver-command |
| 14:53.16 | thewanderer1 | fasta, man batch; this runs the queued processes when system load is low and there are spare resources |
| 14:53.30 | abrotman | fasta: do you understand how renice works ? |
| 14:53.34 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 14:53.40 | fasta | abrotman: and it doesn't solve the problem. |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: renice would do the same thing .. |
| 14:54.23 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, errr no, renice runs it immediately, while batch waits for the right moment :P |
| 14:54.33 | fasta | So, I just want to say to the machine 'make all the noise you want, if I am not there and otherwise be quiet'. |
| 14:54.39 | abrotman | thewanderer1: not quite |
| 14:54.53 | nvz | sounds to me like the problem is the fans or cooling system itself |
| 14:55.04 | thewanderer1 | okay, the moment's rightness is defined the old-school way, but still |
| 14:55.20 | fasta | nvz: it's stock cooling. |
| 14:55.40 | fasta | nvz: I would buy water cooling if I could reuse it on other systems easily. |
| 14:55.44 | nvz | any cooling system gets old and needs serviced and sometimes its simply not good to begin with |
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| 14:56.17 | nvz | I tend to replace my thermal compound regularly and if need be buy new fans when their bearings get old and worn |
| 14:56.28 | fasta | nvz: regularly? |
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| 14:57.01 | nvz | when its running too hot or keeping fans on when they otherwise shouldnt be |
| 14:58.16 | nvz | sometimes people are just using too much hardware for what they do, or too much cooling system for what they got. |
| 14:58.31 | thewanderer1 | fasta, is this a desktop PC? |
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| 15:01.11 | nvz | I really just dont understand what people who complain about fans are expecting.. if I'm on my system thrashing it doing intensive stuff.. its suppose to cool down. |
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| 15:01.43 | nvz | what I think when you say this is, I really wanna render 3d worlds right now, but I dont want it to do any of the computations until I am done |
| 15:01.58 | fasta | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 15:02.49 | nvz | which simply is not possible.. and if your machine is being noisy with light irc/web usage, then you got a problem with the cooling system itself or the environment you;re using it in |
| 15:03.45 | nvz | I've relocated already this morning (11am) to someplace I am far less comfortable working, simply because I know my computer cannot handle the already insane ambient temperature where I normally work |
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| 15:05.53 | fasta | nvz: the cores are between 38-43 degrees Celsius. |
| 15:06.02 | fasta | nvz: when under some load. |
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| 15:06.41 | fasta | nvz: also, you are reading way too much into this. |
| 15:07.01 | fasta | nvz: only thing I want is what I stated, and not something else which you are envisioning. |
| 15:07.21 | fasta | nvz: so for example, I was specifically not complaining about the fans. |
| 15:07.38 | fasta | nvz: you might think that I did, but at no point in time did I complain about the fans. |
| 15:08.08 | nvz | what a user wants and what they want is often three different things |
| 15:08.53 | fasta | nvz: I am quite good at expressing myself. |
| 15:09.30 | nvz | its not about expression. the suggestions that were made you said dont help.. and if they dont help, then no degree of addressing that issue will get you the result you want |
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| 15:10.09 | nvz | my system runs within that range too, but doesnt turn on the fans.. thats normal operating temperature for my system |
| 15:11.16 | nvz | well actually for my laptop its more like 45-53 but stil there is no noise at that range cause my fan is in good condition |
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| 15:12.11 | nvz | if you merely want to somehow run a command when the machine is idle, you either use a screensaver to do so, or you rip apart a screensaver and see what makes it tick.. is my thought on that matter |
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| 15:15.06 | amphi | nvz: why not just nice -19 it? |
| 15:15.35 | nvz | amphi: he claims that doesnt help, which is why I am insisting he doesnt actually know what he wants |
| 15:15.47 | amphi | ah ;) |
| 15:16.17 | nvz | because if simply allowing the kernel to prioritize which is actually what he asked.. was there something in the kernel to do this.. and yes there is.. its called a scheduler |
| 15:16.55 | nvz | if that doesn't work, then the problem is not the prioritizing of processing at all.. its the cooling system that is making the noise and annoying him to the point that he wants to do this in the first place |
| 15:17.26 | nvz | some cooling systems just have very noisy very over active fans, insuffecient heatsink designs.etc.. |
| 15:18.09 | nvz | even when my machine is 80C and about to shut down soon its still not noisy |
| 15:18.36 | nvz | hell I could probably run my fan at 3x its design voltage and it wont be noisy |
| 15:19.35 | eventide | fan size has alot to do with noise as well; smaller fans are much louder |
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| 15:20.51 | nvz | when annoyance motivates seeking support, users are emotional, emotion clouds judgement and increases priority that an issue be resolved.. naturally getting a better cooling system cant be as quickly resolved as some magic command or something.. so you become insistant on wanting that magic command |
| 15:21.00 | nvz | happens to the best of us.. even me.. heh |
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| 15:24.29 | nvz | my brother built a new desktop with humongous fans and they are whisper quiet.. but they're bigger than your average cdrom drive |
| 15:27.00 | nvz | its also not always the fans, some machines have lots of obstructions and poor layout.. laptops often stack the ram above the hdd, segate used to sell hdds with rubber drive condoms on them trapping heat..etc |
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| 15:29.03 | technologov | hi dudes ! I'm trying to boot Debian 6 into hardware text-mode (80x25), with no success. Tried to set gfxpayload in GRUB2, but it still uses VESA mode and uses framebuffer |
| 15:29.12 | technologov | How to boot into 80x25 mode? |
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| 15:30.19 | nvz | technologov: kernel params such as nofb, vga=normal, and such my help |
| 15:30.58 | Defusal | if anyone has any idea how to fix "cgroup change of group failed" when using cgexec, i would really appreciate any ideas |
| 15:31.25 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, let me guess, you are trying to do that as user1, but root is the task file owner in the cgroup and user1 has no permissions? |
| 15:31.44 | Defusal | i tried sudo -u admin -- cgexec *:admin burnP6 |
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| 15:31.49 | Defusal | thinking the same thing |
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| 15:32.18 | Defusal | theres nothing wrong with the config -- http://pastie.org/4120776 |
| 15:32.54 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, can you manually write the task PID to the tasks file, after launching it? |
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| 15:33.10 | Defusal | i'd prefer not to |
| 15:33.13 | thewanderer1 | try it |
| 15:33.25 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you can receive a meaningful error message |
| 15:33.35 | Defusal | it means that it will launch on the wrong cores |
| 15:33.53 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, oh, just noticed... man cgexec; check the syntax! |
| 15:33.54 | Defusal | how would writing the pid to a file result in any errors? |
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| 15:34.12 | technologov | nvz, didn't help. |
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| 15:34.22 | ViN86 | whats the best way to share a home directory and user authentication between two machines? |
| 15:34.30 | Defusal | thewanderer1, what is wrong with my configs syntax? i can't see anything... |
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| 15:34.43 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, cgexec -g *:admin, not cgexec *:admin |
| 15:34.44 | ViN86 | i have a main machine and a slave, id like to use the same login and home directory in the slave machine |
| 15:35.06 | thewanderer1 | Defusal, also, you do not have to specify the cgroup when you have cgrules.conf set up - it will just take the config from the file |
| 15:35.19 | thewanderer1 | ViN86, copy /etc/passwd :) |
| 15:35.35 | thewanderer1 | (and possibly export the home directory by NFS) |
| 15:35.42 | technologov | It seems that GRUB2 loads Linux in 32-bit mode, and ignores vga= parameter |
| 15:35.51 | ViN86 | thewanderer1, i just need passwd? |
| 15:35.56 | ViN86 | not shadow or group or ghsadow? |
| 15:36.18 | Defusal | thewanderer1, added the missing -g which i forgot with that attempt, no change. |
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| 15:36.52 | sney | the vga= parameter is deprecated; it _usually_ still works anyway but the wiki details what you're supposed to use now |
| 15:36.53 | Defusal | thewanderer1, and i need to specify the group manually because my own software will be spawning the new processes on the correct cores |
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| 15:37.54 | ViN86 | thewanderer1, wont the passwd file require the appropriate shadow file? |
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| 15:41.47 | Defusal | sobs quietly in the corner |
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| 15:42.51 | technologov | sney, y, I read a lot of google, but all it says about gfxpayload doesnt work either... |
| 15:43.31 | technologov | no way to ALWAYS disable framebuffer ? |
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| 15:44.35 | sney | technologov: there used to be a video=vesa or so parameter. also, for gfxpayload, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition |
| 15:44.51 | nvz | technologov: either of those commands alone would disable the framebuffer, using them together would be like forcing it.. |
| 15:45.06 | nvz | technologov: are you using a stock kernel, what gfx card? |
| 15:45.21 | technologov | nvz, some old ATI rage 16 MB |
| 15:45.31 | technologov | stock kernel, yes |
| 15:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | ViN86: You need passwd, shadow, group, shadow, and gshadow |
| 15:45.54 | nvz | technologov: well actually even with fb stuff compiled directly in, or any mistakes compiling those options should still disable the framebuffer. |
| 15:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | (only need shadow once) |
| 15:46.12 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: I keep three copies at all times, doesn't everyone? :| |
| 15:46.12 | ViN86 | jhutchins, just copy the files from the main machine into /etc/? |
| 15:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | ViN86: I use rsync in cron to automate it. |
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| 15:47.04 | ViN86 | jhutchins_lt, should i nfs the home directory from the main machine first? |
| 15:47.06 | jhutchins_lt | ViN86: For >2 machines it's probably time to consider something like NIS. |
| 15:47.21 | ViN86 | yea, its only two for now and the forseeable future |
| 15:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | ViN86: It depends, you can just sync it as well, or you can use NIS. |
| 15:47.54 | project2501a | question: why do some scripts do like #!/usr/bin/env $language_binary? is it because they want the script to inherit the parent environment, even if it's not running as a login script? |
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| 15:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | ViN86: You would want to be sure that the UIDs were identical before doing NIS. Or sync. |
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| 15:50.07 | nvz | technologov: the most redundant end-all-be-all parameter line I can think of for this is "nomodeset,vga=normal,fb=false,nofb" that is saying DO NOT use Kernel Mode Setting, set to 80x25, and redundantly saying to not use framebuffer though already implied by vga=normal and nomodeset |
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| 15:51.03 | nvz | technologov: KMS may have been what you were missing being that its a radeon, the radeon driver in the kernel may be enabling it again even after specifying not to via KMS |
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| 15:52.07 | nvz | technologov: my ONLY other thoughts on the matter are to blacklist whatever video driver is loading and force it to use the most generic applicable drivers.. though there is a command line option for that too forget what it is, but it forces the kernel to use generic drivers for virtually everything |
| 15:52.33 | nvz | I think its just "all_generic" or something |
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| 15:53.44 | ViN86 | jhutchins_lt, any advantage of LDAP vs NIS? |
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| 15:54.04 | ViN86 | NIS seems easier, but LDAP seems to be used more |
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| 15:57.37 | madtux | exit |
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| 15:58.22 | nvz | you can check out anytime you like, but you may never leave.. |
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| 16:00.59 | technologov | nvz, sney : thanks for your tries, but still doesn't work. |
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| 16:01.14 | technologov | Will try to black-list the driver (once I find it, that is...) |
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| 16:01.28 | sney | it's probably atyfb |
| 16:02.03 | technologov | I see "radeon" LKM |
| 16:02.15 | nvz | its gotta be something hardware specific because no machines I use even enable fb in the first place |
| 16:02.43 | nvz | but nomodeset should stop the driver from doing that |
| 16:02.58 | technologov | it does not (@_@) |
| 16:03.21 | technologov | it boots 2 sec in 80x25 mode, but then switches to fb mode again |
| 16:03.27 | technologov | with all 4 of your commands |
| 16:03.36 | technologov | + I use linux16 / initrd16 in GRUB2 |
| 16:03.46 | technologov | to boot with real-mode (16-bit) |
| 16:03.54 | nvz | o.O |
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| 16:03.58 | technologov | else the vga=... param is ignored completely |
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| 16:04.13 | nvz | wth is 16bit? heh |
| 16:04.28 | technologov | by default GRUB2 boots linux into 32-bit mode Linux |
| 16:04.41 | nvz | you setting up a museum exibit? heh |
| 16:04.44 | technologov | while GRUB1 and LILO boot 16-bit part of Linux |
| 16:05.00 | technologov | The Linux itself is x64 |
| 16:05.21 | technologov | but Linux can be booted via 16-bit or 32-bit path (no 64-bit it seems) |
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| 16:07.54 | technologov | the PC BIOS is supposed to boot in 16-bits, so all old bootloders also boot kernel in 16-bit |
| 16:08.07 | technologov | the kernel itself switches to 32/64-bit in runtime |
| 16:08.28 | technologov | but GRUB2 boots into 32-bit by default (kernel then switches to 64-bit) |
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| 16:10.05 | technologov | nvz, THANKS a lot, dude ! |
| 16:10.24 | technologov | finally after black-listing 'radeon' driver, it works ! |
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| 16:11.07 | nvz | weird |
| 16:11.36 | nvz | that driver surely has to have a bug to not be respecting any of those command line parameters |
| 16:11.50 | juanmabc | how could i know i don't need firmware stripped for my hardware? |
| 16:12.12 | KsM | I have a broadcom wireless card, and I'm using wicd for wireless, how come when I put my laptop to sleep, my wireless gets rfkilled, but doesn't come back up when the laptop wakes up |
| 16:12.26 | craigevil | hell i am not even sure wtf he was talking about, you either run 32bit or 64bit |
| 16:12.34 | craigevil | juanmabc, google your hardware |
| 16:12.35 | KsM | I have to turn it back on again, then go back into wicd and have it rescan, then connect again |
| 16:13.04 | nvz | craigevil: he was talking about the data path used to load the kernel into memory and pass execution by the BIOS/bootloader.. he was talking pre-linux boot stages |
| 16:13.27 | juanmabc | craigevil: i'm gonna try a "sony netbook" search |
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| 16:14.23 | craigevil | juanmabc, you can run a livecd and do lspci -vnn |
| 16:14.26 | jelly | technologov: huh, is EFI/UEFI boot process also 32bit? |
| 16:14.47 | nvz | juanmabc: typically you know if you need firmware or not by loading a driver (by inserting hardware or manually loading a driver) and it complains via dmesg or to console that it needs firmware |
| 16:14.52 | technologov | jelly : might be. |
| 16:15.06 | nvz | personally I dont see what any of this stuff about the boot process has to do with anything |
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| 16:15.19 | nvz | the issue was about framebuffer, its resolved |
| 16:15.23 | technologov | jelly AFAIK EFI can boot into 32- or 64-bit mode directly. |
| 16:15.37 | juanmabc | craigevil, nvz: yep, livecd seems a good way to know, thanks |
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| 16:16.34 | thewanderer1 | jelly, EFI uses native amd64 binaries on my system |
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| 16:17.12 | utdemir | Hi. I'm planning to dual boot Debian using Arch's bootloader. But Debian's vmlinuz and initramfs images have version number, should I manually update them on every kernel update? Or should I use chainloader? |
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| 16:17.31 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, whatever suits you :P |
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| 16:17.58 | utdemir | thewanderer1, I don't want to manually update everytime and use two bootloaders to boot Debian :). |
| 16:18.14 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, Debian's GRUB can automagically detect foreign vmlinuzes and initrds (for example those of Ubuntu) - maybe you can manage the same feat with Arch? |
| 16:18.30 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, or the other way around, use Debian's GRUB for booting and get it to list Arch kernels |
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| 16:19.30 | utdemir | thewanderer1, I'm using GPT partitioning table with Arch Linux on compressed btrfs root, I don't know Debian so much, and I'm not sure I can achieve the same functionality with Debian's Grub version. |
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| 16:19.49 | mtn | utdemir: the arch wiki has a good section on dual booting |
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| 16:20.02 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, GRUB can boot from GPT just fine, not sure about btrfs but that sounds like a bad idea for /boot... |
| 16:20.03 | zinx | utdemir: uhm, Debian uses the same grub as Arch :x |
| 16:20.16 | k0s | hello all |
| 16:20.22 | Torsten85 | Hi, I've a (simple) question about pptp vpnā¦ someone here who could help me? |
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| 16:20.58 | utdemir | zinx, compressed btrfs partition support is pretty new, I should look at the Debian Testing version. |
| 16:21.19 | zinx | yeah, you will need testing or unstable if you want particularly new features |
| 16:21.23 | utdemir | thewanderer1, I don't even have separate /boot partition. |
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| 16:21.59 | qw[UA] | i would like download Debian GNU/Linux 6 Squeeze (XFCE) by Lazarus does your opinion need to be got or not ? |
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| 16:22.04 | Antibody_ | is this a support channel? |
| 16:22.06 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, well, keep your Debian and Arch kernels on the Debian's partition? |
| 16:22.33 | thewanderer1 | qw[UA], "Debian by Lazarus"? what/who is that? |
| 16:22.34 | utdemir | thewanderer1, Hmm, and mount that partition on Arch root too? |
| 16:22.53 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, no, mount it on a random mountpoint and mount --bind /that/point/boot /boot |
| 16:23.10 | thewanderer1 | that way you get shared /boot |
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| 16:23.28 | qw[UA] | thewanderer1, this is a system name |
| 16:23.49 | thewanderer1 | qw[UA], why not go to debian.org and just download the install CD from there? it supports XFCE too. |
| 16:24.24 | utdemir | thewanderer1, It's just getting complicated... I think the chainloader option is the simpliest. |
| 16:24.52 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, simplest, yes :P |
| 16:26.00 | KsM | How do I set up wicd/rfkill/whatever to enable my wireless interface after I wake my laptop back up |
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| 16:26.14 | utdemir | thewanderer1, Okay, I'll just use two bootloaders and spend 3 seconds on boot time :D. Debian won't be in my computer too long, I don't want to mess with my working system everytime I reinstall something different. |
| 16:26.23 | avatar_project | hello |
| 16:26.30 | KsM | It gets soft-block when I put it to sleep but doesn't automatically unblock. |
| 16:26.39 | avatar_project | is anybody from Poland here ? |
| 16:27.28 | utdemir | thewanderer1, Maybe I should use symlinks on debian root, which will always point the newest kernel release? |
| 16:27.29 | thewanderer1 | KsM, then there's something wrong with the suspend procedure - on my system, the interface is brought back up automatically without any daemon's intervention |
| 16:27.50 | thewanderer1 | utdemir, those already exist I think... /vmlinuz and /initrd.img |
| 16:28.20 | thewanderer1 | avatar_project, just ask your real question :P |
| 16:28.21 | utdemir | thewanderer1, Oh, my problem is solved I guess, I'll just use these on Arch's Grub. |
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| 16:28.52 | avatar_project | where can i find help with puppy linux ? |
| 16:30.09 | avatar_project | i want install it on flash memory |
| 16:30.22 | avatar_project | on weak machine |
| 16:30.26 | boudiccas | avatar_project: type /join #puppylinux |
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| 16:30.47 | avatar_project | boudiccas: thanks |
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| 16:31.26 | burek | hi, is there a way to turn of the power from an usb port and after 5-6 seconds turn the power on again (to simulate as if the usb connector was physically plugged out and then back in) ? |
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| 16:55.18 | firebird_ | hi |
| 16:55.26 | firebird_ | an idea http://paste.debian.net/175502/ |
| 16:56.36 | firebird_ | and sysv-rc configuration ask for "dpkg --purge initscripts initscripts initscripts" |
| 16:56.57 | firebird_ | (sid) |
| 16:57.39 | wald0 | how i can obtain the download url of the candidate package to install ? like apt-get install -d but without include the dependencies, i only need the url of the download link |
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| 16:59.45 | ansgar | wald0: apt-get install --print-uris? But that would include dependencies as well. |
| 16:59.53 | themill | in wheezy, you can "apt-get --print-uris download $package" |
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| 17:18.09 | wald0 | ansgar: gotcha, thx |
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| 17:21.00 | hotwings | i installed debian testing netinst amd64 and after the install when the box booted, the display was totally garbled. i had to blindly blacklist the radeon driver and reboot to see anything/login prompt.. this is with an amd llano |
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| 17:21.21 | hotwings | the kernel is 3.2.0-2-amd64 |
| 17:21.33 | hotwings | not sure if the problem is debian testing, the kernel, or what.. or where to report this problem |
| 17:22.08 | gnarface | hotwings: well, there is bugs.debian.org and there is #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 17:22.39 | tremon | hotwings: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 17:22.46 | l4sh | burek, AFAIK nope, but I could be wrong |
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| 17:23.10 | hotwings | tremon - no because theres no way i could edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free if i cant even see the login prompt |
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| 17:23.46 | hotwings | i managed to blindly create /etc/modprobe/radeon.conf -> blacklist radeon...and reboot, which fixed the problem |
| 17:23.51 | tremon | hotwings: I thought you said you had already overcome that issue? |
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| 17:24.08 | tremon | hotwings: so what's preventing you from installing that now? |
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| 17:25.11 | hotwings | the problem is the display is garbage upon _first_ boot after installing. you will _not_ see anything on the screen but crap, and have to login & do any tasks blind. |
| 17:25.41 | tremon | I'm sorry, I thought you were asking for a solution |
| 17:26.01 | hotwings | im trying to report the problem, or find out where.. but gnarface answered it i think |
| 17:26.18 | firebird_ | ah found my problem was /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd |
| 17:26.21 | firebird_ | /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd-single |
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| 17:33.44 | jpinx | am I right in thinking that wheezy is a lot bigger than squeeze? |
| 17:34.17 | calzifer | hi, how can i remove all installed programs from backports? |
| 17:34.26 | jpinx | my minimal squeeze was 890Mbs but when I try to upgrade it runs out of space at 2.5Gbs :( |
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| 17:44.23 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx: Well, remember it has to download all of the packages and essentially have two versions of each package uncompressed at a time. |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | it does ? |
| 17:44.57 | abrotman | why is that? |
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| 17:45.01 | jhutchins_lt | Not two versions of all of them at once. |
| 17:45.17 | abrotman | calzifer: /msg dpkg bdo list |
| 17:45.21 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, it uncompresses them on top of the old files, doesn't it? |
| 17:45.34 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's not really what he's asking |
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| 17:46.38 | abrotman | jpinx: yes, the packages would be likely larger .. you may want to find some unused packages, or upgrade in parts |
| 17:46.44 | abrotman | jpinx: IIRC< you use LXDE ? |
| 17:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | It should tell you what space it's going to use. |
| 17:47.32 | abrotman | addtiional space |
| 17:47.50 | abrotman | jpinx: also, make sure your log dir and pacakge cache have been cleaned up before you start |
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| 17:55.51 | itstriz | My /var/log/mail.log file is getting huge. Will I have any problems using rm to delete it? Is there a more proper way to clear out the log? |
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| 17:58.26 | piero | I'm having a terrible headache trying to do make the sound works throught the hdmi cable. Everything works fine on another OS (ms win), but even if hdmi output is selected in gnome-shell, nothing can be heard.. The hdmi port is from my ati radeon video card. Thanks for help |
| 17:58.28 | jhutchins_lt | itstriz: Yes, it should be managed by the logrotate program. Which mail program is generating it? |
| 17:59.01 | itstriz | jhutchins_lt: either sendmail or fetchmail or a combo of both |
| 17:59.14 | piero | alsa script test output at http://pastebin.com/6zWs9LmS |
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| 18:04.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | Okay got a good questino for you guys.... I got a bunch of Sunfire 3 PLUS thin clients... I want to install a lightweight version of debian on there so I can use them as PXE Boot servers.... can anyone point me in the right direction |
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| 18:04.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | 380-1634-01 |
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| 18:05.49 | jpinx | abrotman: this is on a vm to test the upgrade. I also see a hiccup with the kernel needing a different cpu |
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| 18:08.41 | abrotman | no? |
| 18:08.51 | abrotman | jpinx: linux-image-686 shouhld isntall the new one without issue |
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| 18:13.31 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 18:20.32 | piero | I think its important to say I have two monitors |
| 18:20.53 | dvs | yay |
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| 18:35.19 | Procu | hi |
| 18:35.24 | Procu | guys i need help |
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| 18:35.41 | Procu | i have debian wheezy on VM |
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| 18:36.20 | Procu | and internet connection doesn't work in bridged mode, only in nat |
| 18:36.30 | Procu | but i need bridge |
| 18:36.40 | Procu | (for ssh connection) |
| 18:36.46 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, you probably know the general steps, just go ahead and ask if you have a particular problem |
| 18:37.02 | thewanderer1 | actually, you're going to use them as *boot servers*? |
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| 18:37.44 | thewanderer1 | !tell Procu about doesn't work |
| 18:37.53 | Procu | of course router is giving correct IP and i can ping PC => VM and VM => PC over LAN |
| 18:38.13 | Procu | i know, sry |
| 18:38.35 | Procu | i tried to restart network service |
| 18:38.45 | thewanderer1 | what is "PC", "VM", and how are they networkically related? |
| 18:38.51 | tremon | Procu: your issue is with the virtualization method, not the vm. Ask on the channel where they support your flavour of virtualization |
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| 18:39.54 | Procu | PC => win xp, physical computer; VM Oracle Virtual Box launched on PC, both had IP from DHCP |
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| 18:40.51 | Procu | tremon any sugestion about channel name? |
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| 18:41.29 | tremon | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/IRC |
| 18:41.47 | Procu | mmm i'm idiot |
| 18:41.56 | dvs | well... ;-) |
| 18:42.56 | tremon | at least it's nearby (#vbox) |
| 18:43.15 | ViN86 | i would have said i thought i was in that channel :p |
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| 18:44.18 | tremon | ViN86: it's only one /j away |
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| 18:51.36 | calzifer | hi, how can i install a package, that only exists in testing and unstable? javascriptcoregtk-1.0 |
| 18:52.11 | dvs | calzifer: Check backports first? |
| 18:52.58 | calzifer | dvs: its not in the backports |
| 18:53.15 | Procu | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:53.17 | Procu | add |
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| 18:54.04 | Procu | deb http://ftp.en.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:54.14 | divbell | also set 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 18:54.24 | jair | hello guys, anyone here uses teamviewer with debian squeeze? |
| 18:54.50 | dvs | !tell calzifer about ssb |
| 18:55.42 | jair | I am supporting my users remotely with teamviewer 7 but I noticed that when I ssh to the debian and in the terminal I start teamviewer7 shows that starts and that is running but I can't connect at all. I don't think is in reality running or there is something I am doing wrong? |
| 18:56.02 | dvs | calzifer: Dont' do what Procu says. That just leads to trouble |
| 18:56.12 | calzifer | dvs: ok |
| 18:56.18 | jair | I think is something I need to do in debian like, export x? or run the comand and send it to the foreground? & |
| 18:56.32 | calzifer | dvs: thanks i'll try it |
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| 18:56.46 | dvs | no prob |
| 18:58.14 | aidalgol | What's the Debian Way to add a shared-library path to the system? |
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| 18:58.22 | aidalgol | (As opposed to just one user.) |
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| 19:00.37 | aidalgol | Er, never mind, actually. I don't want to be doing that. :P |
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| 19:04.53 | aidalgol | Or maybe I do. ldd lists libraries installed in /usr/local/lib as not found. |
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| 19:05.40 | thewanderer1 | aidalgol, hmm, ldconfig? |
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| 19:06.11 | aidalgol | thewanderer1: Just run ldconfig (as root)? |
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| 19:06.27 | thewanderer1 | I guess.. |
| 19:06.39 | aidalgol | Yeah, that did it. Thanks! |
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| 19:09.21 | pmade | How do I troubleshoot a weird network issue? When I try to scp a file up somewhere my connection stalls and all existing network connections are dropped. Doesn't matter what network I'm connected to. |
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| 19:10.08 | jhutchins_lt | pmade: Start with an ssh connection. |
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| 19:10.21 | pmade | jhutchins_lt: Works just fine. |
| 19:10.28 | pmade | And I can scp down large files, no problem. |
| 19:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | pmade: What if you use rsync instead of scp? |
| 19:10.47 | tremon | pmade: start piping large amounts of data through the ssh tunnel, see if that stalls |
| 19:10.48 | pmade | Let me try. |
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| 19:14.13 | pmade | rsync does the same thing, stalls, but this IRC connect stayed intact this time. |
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| 19:14.42 | pmade | The upload speed continues to drop and drop until it stalls, right now it's at 54kb |
| 19:15.14 | pmade | But if I try this from my other debian box on the same network it works and is fast. |
| 19:15.32 | Diopter | pmade: Sounds like you might be getting throttled by something. |
| 19:15.38 | tremon | sounds like very bad bandwidth limiting |
| 19:15.41 | thewanderer1 | "same network" = using the same gateway? |
| 19:15.45 | tremon | yeah what he said |
| 19:15.54 | pmade | Yes, both computers use the same gateway. |
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| 19:16.01 | tremon | getting lost interrupts? |
| 19:16.01 | thewanderer1 | yeah, check QoS rules |
| 19:16.12 | pmade | But, if I drive into my office it's the same. |
| 19:16.20 | pmade | Different network, different gateway. |
| 19:16.28 | pmade | But, both have the same ISP |
| 19:17.25 | thewanderer1 | "the same" as in "connection drops"? |
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| 19:17.39 | pmade | thewanderer1: yes. |
| 19:17.56 | thewanderer1 | crappy ISPs often use traffic shaping to limit uploading of $whatever, probably afraid of p2p or customers hosting home servers |
| 19:18.46 | pmade | I was thinking about that, but they shouldn't be able tell the difference between the two computers on my network at their level, right? |
| 19:19.06 | thewanderer1 | they shouldn't - does switching computers really make a difference? O.o |
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| 19:19.39 | pmade | Yes. I move my portable drive with the file I'm trying to SCP to my desktop, and it uploads no problems. |
| 19:19.51 | thewanderer1 | wait, are you on wireless? |
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| 19:20.03 | LordDeath | is the logrotate for munin broken? |
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| 19:20.20 | pmade | Yes, both computers are connected to the same router, but the one I'm having trouble with is wireless. |
| 19:20.27 | pmade | Sorry for not mentioning that before. |
| 19:20.34 | LordDeath | logrotate works with the other logs but not on munin |
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| 19:20.53 | pmade | The big "but" here, this is new behavior. Last week I could do wireless uploads no problem. |
| 19:21.15 | thewanderer1 | pmade, reboot the router |
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| 19:21.45 | thewanderer1 | before doing that, check if you're getting decent speeds and no drops if you connect an actual wire |
| 19:22.27 | pmade | thewanderer1: my laptop doesn't have ethernet or I would have tried that. And it's happening on two different routers in two different locations. |
| 19:23.01 | thewanderer1 | pmade, well, then your laptop's wireless may be crap :) |
| 19:23.20 | pmade | Are there any troubleshooting tools I can run on the laptop to figure this out? |
| 19:23.38 | pmade | I would have thought that, except that like I said, last week this wasn't an issue. |
| 19:23.42 | thewanderer1 | pmade, try a local transfer first |
| 19:23.58 | pmade | okay. |
| 19:24.06 | thewanderer1 | like ping -f some.local.host # and see if there is a sudden increase in drops |
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| 19:25.01 | thewanderer1 | wireless access points frequently degrade performance as uptime increases... this has been observed with both stock firmware and DD-WRT, strangely |
| 19:25.24 | pmade | Okay, so if I try to scp the file to a host on my same network I get the same issue, the transfer rate drops all the way down until it says "stalled" |
| 19:25.31 | pmade | So, it's something local on this laptop |
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| 19:25.50 | pmade | That's pretty interesting. |
| 19:25.50 | thewanderer1 | I would try a different AP, too |
| 19:25.54 | pmade | Okay. |
| 19:26.00 | thewanderer1 | but, from the looks of it, yes |
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| 19:26.16 | cufaf | hi |
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| 19:26.29 | Garp | Hi. |
| 19:26.37 | cufaf | i have problem. |
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| 19:26.45 | thewanderer1 | pmade, one thing to try is disabling power management: iwconfig wlan0 power off |
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| 19:26.50 | cufaf | i must say first :D my English is so bad. :) |
| 19:27.13 | abrotman | what's yoru native language ? |
| 19:27.15 | pmade | thewanderer1: ah, good idea. Let me try that. |
| 19:27.46 | Garp | Question: I'm trying to compile colorhug client, and I've a compilation error. To me it is related to some libtool stuff that I dont know how to solve. Where can I seek help for that ? Thanks. |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | Garp: which version of Linux ? |
| 19:28.11 | cufaf | :) abrotman Turkish. but ubuntu.tr have ansver my question |
| 19:28.13 | cufaf | Shit. |
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| 19:28.35 | cufaf | havent |
| 19:28.46 | Garp | abrotman: I'm trying to compile it on squeeze, but I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference ;) |
| 19:29.30 | abrotman | cufaf: but this channel is for Debian support, not Ubhntu support |
| 19:29.41 | abrotman | Garp: use a pastebin to show the output, etc |
| 19:29.47 | Garp | abrotman: but in the fact that I dont have any of the package at the right version, so that I recompiled a lot of gtk and stuff locally to be able to try to compile colorhug |
| 19:30.47 | Garp | http://pastebin.com/cb6hxgm0 |
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| 19:31.40 | tremon | Garp: at a guess, one of your dependencies is too old |
| 19:32.15 | Garp | abrotman: a problem is that many recent package,n to have nice output, prefix all commands by '@' in the Makefile so that it's not displayed, to gets omething understandable, one must hack a bit the makefile (or the make command) |
| 19:32.46 | Garp | tremon: configure didnt complained. |
| 19:32.47 | Garp | but that may be. |
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| 19:33.00 | tremon | did you apt-get build-dep colorhug/testing? |
| 19:33.15 | Garp | tremon: the g_cclosure_marshal_generic is a defined symbol, available in -lglib-2.0 |
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| 19:34.14 | Garp | tremon: by doing things manually I can find a gcc command that does works. But the libtool perform a reordering before pushing the command to gcc and then it doesnt work |
| 19:34.52 | tremon | well at least you've past that hurdle then :) |
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| 19:35.24 | tremon | s/past/passed/ |
| 19:35.28 | Garp | tremon: I would like to understand what libtool does |
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| 19:35.58 | tremon | don't we all... ;) |
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| 19:36.46 | Garp | tremon: : in that case, I couldnt get it to work, because it goe through "g-ir-scanner" and I understand that even less than libtool ;) |
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| 19:37.46 | Garp | tremon: libtool, I can still hack: just add the right lib at the right place by editing the my_cmd= line siomewhere in the sheell code, but that g-ir-scanner, I dont understand |
| 19:37.53 | tremon | I don't know if there's a specific libtool/autofoo channel, but I suspect the folk in #gcc may be able to point you in the right direction |
| 19:38.09 | Garp | tremon: yes, I'll try there, thanks. |
| 19:38.32 | Garp | maybe #gtk if it does exsits |
| 19:38.32 | tremon | anything g-ir would probably be best asked in #gnome |
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| 19:39.02 | Garp | I'll hae a look, thanks. |
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| 19:48.28 | laptnovic | packgage Zathura could put 0.2.0 in testing? was in need of updating it. http://www.pwmt.org/ |
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| 19:50.08 | gotmilk_ | hi i need to repair an encrypted file system |
| 19:50.13 | gotmilk_ | how can i do it with fsck? |
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| 19:53.44 | jelly-home | gotmilk_: what kind of encryption |
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| 19:55.08 | gotmilk_ | lvm |
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| 19:55.42 | laptnovic | Debian team Zathura could update the for 0.2.0 please? |
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| 19:56.03 | laptnovic | Zathura 0.2.0 on testing :) |
| 19:56.14 | jelly-home | gotmilk_: lvm is more a block device virtualization layer than an encryption provider itself |
| 19:56.38 | jelly-home | gotmilk_: how did you set up the encryption part? |
| 19:56.57 | gotmilk_ | does sda5_crypt tell you more? |
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| 19:57.40 | engla | gotmilk_: using cryptsetup+LUKS, I guess? |
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| 19:57.42 | jelly-home | gotmilk_: no, not really. Do you have an /etc/crypttab file? Does it have any uncommented lines? |
| 19:57.42 | laptnovic | anyone? |
| 19:58.00 | Diopter | laptnovic: The maintainer of that package may or may not be in this channel. |
| 19:58.06 | Diopter | laptnovic: Why don't you contact them directly? |
| 19:58.30 | laptnovic | How to this? Diopter |
| 19:58.32 | automorphic | The new official wheezy installer does not appear to support my usb (Logitech unifying wireless) keyboard. Where should I report this? |
| 19:58.49 | abrotman | there is no "official wheezy installer" |
| 19:58.57 | automorphic | well, the alpha of it |
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| 19:59.08 | Diopter | laptnovic: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/zathura look on the right side under "Maintainers" |
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| 19:59.11 | automorphic | new, alpha, whatever |
| 19:59.57 | laptnovic | Tranks |
| 19:59.59 | tremon | automorphic: #debian-boot on oftc would be my guess |
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| 20:01.48 | sdake | hi, doing some debian packaging, have question about how to install a configuration file, google seems to recommend atleast 5 different ways - what is right way (or correct channel for this question?) |
| 20:02.40 | laptnovic | Thank you* |
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| 20:03.46 | gotmynick | hello, what do use the people using puppet/chef/cfengine/whatever use to do with "debconf change detection" ? |
| 20:04.20 | gotmynick | I mean, you're using a managed custom file for say... /etc/shh/sshd_config |
| 20:04.40 | gotmynick | and on the other say, you tell the management system to keep ssh in the latest version |
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| 20:05.47 | gotmynick | I don't know what people using these systems use to do... tell debconf to always keep their custom version ? |
| 20:06.13 | Diopter | gotmynick: Depends. If you need specific sshd options, and you're using a config-management system, you're probably intelligently doing line-item changes, rather than dropping fully-baked configs in place |
| 20:06.24 | Diopter | gotmynick: Meaning you can sed out the specific lines you care about to enable/disable |
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| 20:06.40 | themill | dpkg: tell sdake about mentors |
| 20:06.42 | Diopter | Which can occur on the next run of the config client |
| 20:07.43 | gotmynick | most configurations may be done usind *.d/ files, or includes, etc... |
| 20:08.13 | gotmynick | but I see a bit "hackish" to "delete my custom settings, upgrade, apply my custom settings" |
| 20:08.18 | Hydroxide | gotmynick: some people do it each way - i.e., where you make the necessary change to whatever the current version of the distro's stock config is, or where they tell debconf not to replace things and manage whole config files. indeed, the .d/ or include files make it a lot easier |
| 20:08.24 | gotmynick | because the service will be restarted on upgrade |
| 20:09.28 | Hydroxide | gotmynick: there are various ways to hook into apt's and dpkg's processes |
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| 20:09.34 | Diopter | gotmynick: Not everything has a .d, but you have a lot of options. |
| 20:09.44 | Hydroxide | and also to tell it not to restart stuff, and/or to manage conffiles in different ways |
| 20:10.03 | gotmynick | maybe I should read more about such options, I never needed it |
| 20:10.40 | Hydroxide | right now my day job isn't involving a debian-based system, so I'm a bit out of practice about what makes sense for this in 2012 |
| 20:10.48 | Hydroxide | but there should be options :) |
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| 20:11.11 | amoxibos | hello all |
| 20:11.15 | amoxibos | question |
| 20:11.39 | amoxibos | i have installed devian over windows 7 installation ... i have a big ntfs partition which is intact...i can dual boot with grub... |
| 20:12.13 | amoxibos | im on debian now and i want to clean up this ntfs partition, remove everything and then make it available to debian |
| 20:12.18 | amoxibos | whats the safest way to do this? |
| 20:12.33 | gotmynick | fdisk ? |
| 20:12.35 | pc_magas | Guys I thought a scenario I have a server and I want to check tactically for new updates with apt-get how can I use it with crontab? |
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| 20:12.50 | amoxibos | how about using disk utility from system tools |
| 20:12.56 | sdake | note looks like #debian-mentors is deprecated |
| 20:13.04 | sdake | bot needs updating ;) |
| 20:13.09 | pc_magas | Because it requires sudo |
| 20:13.16 | bzed | sdake: uh? |
| 20:13.16 | Diopter | pc_magas: unattended-upgrades is a pretty fantastic package. |
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| 20:13.50 | gotmynick | pc_magas: for "manual" reporting/control there is a "apticron" package |
| 20:14.06 | sdake | when i join #debian-mentors: |
| 20:14.09 | pc_magas | I try the Diopter solution |
| 20:14.16 | abrotman | sdake: on OFTC |
| 20:14.19 | gotmynick | amoxibos, it should work too |
| 20:14.23 | sdake | i see thanks |
| 20:14.34 | abrotman | the bot told you that |
| 20:14.57 | pc_magas | Next if I install unattended-upgrades what should I need to configure after |
| 20:14.59 | pc_magas | ? |
| 20:15.00 | amoxibos | ok guys thanks |
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| 20:20.34 | jhutchins_lt | pc_magas: There are three or four cron/apt packages. Each approaches the problem a little differently. |
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| 20:20.47 | Aha2Y | http://paste.scratchbook.ch/view/4af9660b <- Anyone got a solution? |
| 20:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | pc_magas: You can also just put aptitude commands in the crontab directly. |
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| 20:21.38 | abrotman | Aha2Y: Debian has opensuse packages? |
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| 20:21.39 | pc_magas | actually I want apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to do automatically |
| 20:21.47 | Aha2Y | I have no idea |
| 20:21.53 | Aha2Y | i did sudo apt-get install sql-admin |
| 20:21.57 | Aha2Y | and thet happend. |
| 20:22.03 | Aha2Y | mysql-admin* |
| 20:22.10 | abrotman | Aha2Y: which version of linux is that? |
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| 20:22.24 | ozdeb_ | hi everyone |
| 20:22.30 | Aha2Y | Linux server 2.6.32-308.el5.028stab099.3 #1 SMP Wed Mar 7 15:56:00 MSK 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:22.46 | abrotman | Aha2Y: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 20:23.06 | Aha2Y | ok |
| 20:23.19 | ozdeb_ | does someone here knows how to avoid the error: unable open a console terminal when running programs inside tmux or screen? |
| 20:23.33 | Aha2Y | http://paste.scratchbook.ch/view/203a3e76 |
| 20:24.00 | ompaul | ozdeb_: how did you get that error |
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| 20:24.49 | abrotman | Aha2Y: a) you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org b) try 'apt-get update' and then try again |
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| 20:25.57 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, as a side note, actually, Debian has openSuSE packages, yes :) (apt-cache policy mysql-gui-tools-common) |
| 20:25.59 | Aha2Y | abrotman: Its dotvps who set that but ok |
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| 20:26.28 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: what makes you think that's an "openSuSE package"? |
| 20:26.33 | ozdeb_ | ompaul, i tried running a software called green inside my tmux, it works if I run with sudo ... with strace i see that i can't open /dev/tty0 but it's weired, because I do have permission to open it as regular user |
| 20:27.00 | ompaul | ozdeb_: I don't know this "green" |
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| 20:27.20 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i don't use mysql, thank goodness |
| 20:27.28 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, version number. and they just masked the u with an U at one point, but I'm not getting fooled :) |
| 20:27.54 | ozdeb_ | ompaul, https://github.com/schandinat/green |
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| 20:28.08 | ozdeb_ | it's not a problem of gree, it's more sdl problem |
| 20:28.13 | Aha2Y | abrotman: What would you recommend me instead of the fps? |
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| 20:28.46 | Aha2Y | because i got failed to fetch a big list |
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| 20:29.28 | ompaul | ozdeb_: I still don't know what it is, so I can't work out what it requires and that might just be your problem there eh? |
| 20:29.48 | ompaul | ozdeb_: sdl how it's called what it expects to get to do ... |
| 20:30.14 | Aha2Y | ? |
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| 20:31.00 | ozdeb_ | ompaul, ? what, i didn't understand your last sentence |
| 20:31.05 | Aha2Y | http://paste.scratchbook.ch/view/925066e0 |
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| 20:31.14 | Aha2Y | It completely failed... |
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| 20:31.29 | ozdeb_ | ompaul, this is a simple pdf viewer, it works great under framebuffer but fails to run inside the tmux session |
| 20:31.33 | ompaul | ozdeb_: sdl is not something I would expect to export correctly across some kind of |
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| 20:31.50 | ompaul | virtual tty |
| 20:32.16 | ompaul | ozdeb_: in that case scp might be a better response |
| 20:32.29 | thewanderer1 | ozdeb_, well, is $DISPLAY set correctly? |
| 20:32.33 | ozdeb_ | export what ? |
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| 20:33.04 | ompaul | ozdeb_: as thewanderer1 asked |
| 20:33.26 | ompaul | your env ain't its basic requirement methinks |
| 20:34.50 | jpinx | abrotman: the menu tells me to install linux-image-486 I'll try t again - I had to resize the vm to make room for wheezy :S |
| 20:35.18 | KsM | sup Aha2Y |
| 20:35.19 | Aha2Y | Guys please help me i don't know how to solve this... |
| 20:35.21 | Aha2Y | ohai |
| 20:35.37 | Aha2Y | Jan help me :( |
| 20:35.59 | KsM | Remove non-free from security updates |
| 20:36.25 | Aha2Y | How? |
| 20:36.42 | KsM | <text editor> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:38.18 | Aha2Y | KsM: then the file is empty.. |
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| 20:38.26 | KsM | what |
| 20:38.34 | Aha2Y | http://paste.scratchbook.ch/view/203a3e76 |
| 20:38.35 | pc_magas | Guys do you knoiw any good repo with the latest kernel? |
| 20:38.48 | dvs | !bpo |
| 20:38.49 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 20:39.29 | Aha2Y | KSM? :D |
| 20:40.06 | KsM | Aha2Y: http://paste.scratchbook.ch/view/a93e7b13 |
| 20:40.13 | KsM | that should more than likely work |
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| 20:41.07 | Aha2Y | ty :D |
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| 20:44.24 | pc_magas | with apt-get uypdate I get hit on security.debian.org and backports.debian.org |
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| 20:52.24 | Aha2Y | Guys i think something is completly wrong with my server. |
| 20:52.25 | Aha2Y | http://paste.scratchbook.ch/view/a3d45b05 |
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| 20:53.38 | ozdeb_ | thewanderer1, what does it have to do with Display? I am using framebuffer ... |
| 20:54.08 | thewanderer1 | ozdeb_, oh... it's interfering with the ncurses interface of tmux, maybe? |
| 20:54.33 | ozdeb_ | don't know .. but the fact it that it works with sudo ... |
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| 20:56.46 | thewanderer1 | so: it works in tmux with sudo, works in plain console without sudo, but not in tmux without sudo? |
| 20:57.10 | DrKillPatient | Hi. I just installed debian to a computer with a blank HD, but after the BIOS splash, I get a blinking cursor indefinitely and it never goes into GRUB. What's wrong here? |
| 20:57.23 | mirak | hi |
| 20:58.00 | mirak | I am looking for a filemanager that can queue file copy operations. like if I copy many files at a different time in the same folder, the files will not be copied at the same time, but one after the other |
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| 20:58.45 | ozdeb_ | thewanderer1, yes you summerized it correctly |
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| 21:03.16 | thewanderer1 | ozdeb_, no idea then :P it's probably how tmux interacts with the console and creates pty's for the content windows... |
| 21:03.24 | thewanderer1 | but no solution from me |
| 21:05.21 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I think this is it; try: `tty` in console, and then `tty` in screen or tmux |
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| 21:06.09 | thewanderer1 | sudo apparently overrides this pty layer somehow, but I'm not an expert |
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| 21:07.10 | ozdeb_ | thewanderer1, in console, tty -> /dev/tty, in tmux tty -> /dev/pts/10 |
| 21:07.19 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that |
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| 21:07.51 | thewanderer1 | fb probably can't draw to a pty or something like that |
| 21:08.09 | ozdeb_ | so i need to find how to use /dev/pts/* within sdl ..? |
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| 21:08.27 | burek | is there a way to turn of the power from an usb port and after 5-6 seconds turn the power on again (to simulate as if the usb connector was physically plugged out and then back in) ? |
| 21:08.29 | thewanderer1 | to get a definitive answer, talk to an SDL expert |
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| 21:14.38 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a mechanism to automatically lock inactive accounts after say 90 days? |
| 21:16.31 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: /etc/login.defs maybe? |
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| 21:16.43 | tremon | jhutchins_lt: you mean besides a cron job? |
| 21:17.16 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: tbh I'd prefer to run my own "db" which changed login shells to "/bin/false" |
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| 21:18.11 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: pam and some background scripts with ldap I suppose |
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| 21:18.35 | geever | hi |
| 21:19.05 | geever | I've just got my new PC and I would like to install Squeeze on it. |
| 21:19.31 | dvs | really? |
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| 21:19.48 | geever | I downloaded and burnt a netinst image and booted it but the installer doesn't find my Atheros GbE NIC. What's the easiers way to solve it? |
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| 21:20.14 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: Looks like the -I feature of chage, so login.defs is probably the way. |
| 21:20.22 | tremon | !installer firmware |
| 21:20.22 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 21:20.36 | dvs | !tell geever about kmuto |
| 21:21.08 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: You could just setup password expiration, and then set the number of days after which a password has expired that the account gets disabled, with usermod -f |
| 21:21.30 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: If you set that to 0, then your dormancy timeframe is at worst = your password expiration timeframe |
| 21:21.37 | jhutchins_lt | Diopter: Password expiration has to follow a defined policy, so that won't work. |
| 21:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't look like there's a login.defs item. |
| 21:22.02 | tremon | jhutchins_lt: -I is inactivity /after a password has expired/ too |
| 21:22.30 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: Only? |
| 21:23.11 | tremon | according to the man page, yes |
| 21:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, "inactivity after password has expired". |
| 21:23.27 | jhutchins_lt | Crud. |
| 21:23.33 | tremon | doesn't really make sense to me though, maybe the man page is wrong/incomplete |
| 21:23.45 | tremon | jhutchins_lt: have you tried parsing lastlog -b90 ? |
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| 21:28.21 | Diopter | Could pretty easily cron up lastlog -b90 | awk 'NR>1 {print $1}' | xargs -n1 usermod -e 1 |
| 21:28.24 | Diopter | Or something very similar. |
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| 21:29.01 | tremon | yeah, I'd add -u 1000- though, to filter out system accounts |
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| 21:29.27 | Diopter | Right. |
| 21:29.36 | tremon | and you may not want to lock never logged in accounts (they may be brand new) |
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| 21:30.02 | Diopter | Sure. | grep -iv never |
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| 21:30.45 | tremon | I'd do $2=~/never/, to prevent not locking out former employee Nick Everard ;) |
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| 21:31.06 | Diopter | lulz |
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| 21:31.33 | tremon | but yeah, something like that :) |
| 21:31.34 | Brustofski-Fan | whats better and64 or kfreebsd-amd64? |
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| 21:31.49 | Diopter | Brustofski-Fan: "better" for what purpose or in what sense? |
| 21:32.00 | tremon | ooh! I know! hurd80 is better! |
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| 21:32.22 | engla | Brustofski-Fan: amd64 better supported and is used more |
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| 21:33.12 | Brustofski-Fan | engla, ok... what i thought... |
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| 21:38.31 | Brustofski-Fan | where can i find a download for wheezy... can find all kinds for 6.0.5 |
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| 21:40.14 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: the preferred method is to do a base install of squeeze, then upgrade |
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| 21:40.41 | tremon | you can install wheezy from the stable installer directly too |
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| 21:41.15 | Brustofski-Fan | base install would be doing from the net install right |
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| 21:42.11 | tremon | you can also use cd1, just don't install any additional packages (i.e. uncheck Desktop Environment) |
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| 21:46.53 | Brustofski-Fan | tremon, so cd1 no desktop... Then how do i upgrade it to wheezy |
| 21:47.58 | laptnovic | I use debian lxde, my question is about the chromium icon on the taskbar is not showing up, how to solve? |
| 21:48.03 | Diopter | If your goal is to upgrade to wheezy, you might as well just get a netinstall that installs wheezy. |
| 21:48.11 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: Yeah, the process is manual now - which means it hasn't happened in the sixty days since the last admin left. |
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| 21:48.30 | tremon | !tell Brustofski-Fan about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:48.47 | Diopter | jhutchins_lt: Script it up then. We pretty much gave you everything you need already |
| 21:49.02 | laptnovic | anyone heve this problem on chromium? |
| 21:49.03 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: if you know what you're doing, you can ignore the boilerplate. Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade |
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| 21:49.39 | d0uglas | Hi. Is there any utility that I could use to be able to determine what modified or created a given file? |
| 21:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: -u 1000 doesn't work. |
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| 21:49.50 | tremon | Diopter: iirc, the stable installer still allows you to choose which suite to install, right? |
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| 21:50.03 | tremon | jhutchins_lt: typo then. It's a range, you need -u 1000- |
| 21:50.22 | tremon | or 500-, depending on your config |
| 21:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | tremon: Might be a different version... |
| 21:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | 500- |
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| 21:50.37 | Diopter | tremon: I haven't actually used it in months. Not certain! Probably in expert mode it does |
| 21:50.39 | Diopter | At least |
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| 21:50.55 | Brustofski-Fan | thats just changeing the end of each source line from squeeze to wheezy right |
| 21:51.16 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: yes, but it's not the end, but the third field (out of 4) |
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| 21:51.56 | laptnovic | My problem is the same this: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=108369&thanks=108369&ts=1324511145#makechanges |
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| 21:51.58 | d0uglas | hmm.. guess not, thanks anyway |
| 21:52.01 | jhutchins_lt | I'm just skeptical that this hasn't already been done by someone. |
| 21:52.22 | laptnovic | A screeshot http://chromium.googlecode.com/issues/attachment?aid=1083690000000&name=Screenshot-1.png&token=bZyG_UJpqG1HNR3QS3AOk8eoGWU%3A1340229085391&inline=1 |
| 21:52.31 | Brustofski-Fan | Diopter, Not as easy as it sounds... my wireless not suported by most net installs.... i don't feel like sitting in the closet to be wireed to the router!! |
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| 21:53.11 | Diopter | Brustofski-Fan: What wireless do you have? If it requires one of the non-free firmware packages, you can actually get a netinstall ISO which has the firmware already |
| 21:53.23 | Brustofski-Fan | tremon, ok |
| 21:54.03 | Brustofski-Fan | broadcom 4313 |
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| 21:56.45 | Brustofski-Fan | Diopter, its the broadcom 4313 |
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| 21:57.32 | Diopter | Brustofski-Fan: Do you have the PCI ID? |
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| 21:58.26 | jordanm | !bcm4313 |
| 21:58.26 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <BCM4331>. |
| 21:58.27 | Brustofski-Fan | Diopter, it's a laptop.. im in win7 right now |
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| 21:59.00 | tremon | last I checked, the installer couldn't handle WPA encryption |
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| 21:59.14 | Diopter | tremon: It actually can. At least the testing installer can. |
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| 21:59.25 | Brustofski-Fan | i don't use the wpa.. im wide open |
| 21:59.30 | Diopter | D: |
| 21:59.36 | tremon | ok, you're safe then |
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| 22:00.22 | Diopter | Like a swaddled baby |
| 22:00.39 | Brustofski-Fan | by the way.. how is debian on laptop battery power... mint linux was giving my 3 hours on a 6 hour battery... fedora giving me 2 1/2 hours |
| 22:00.40 | aguitel | i have this old card:Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics ,anyway to increase perfomance ? |
| 22:01.04 | Diopter | Brustofski-Fan: What kind of GPU? |
| 22:01.25 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: you'd have to try. research laptop-mode and powertop |
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| 22:02.20 | TheWarden | How can I install zeromq (0mq or zmq) on Debian Squeeze 64-bit? |
| 22:02.33 | Diopter | laptop-mode kind of blows. There's a nice pm-powersave script out there on a forum thread for CrunchBang, to paste as /etc/pm/power.d/powersave |
| 22:02.40 | Brustofski-Fan | Diopter, amd radeon hd 6520G |
| 22:02.48 | Diopter | That said, GPU and screen management are a lot more important, in my experience |
| 22:03.01 | Diopter | Brustofski-Fan: Do you have an integrated Intel GPU as well? Or do you know |
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| 22:03.25 | Brustofski-Fan | nope.. just the AMD/ATI |
| 22:04.01 | laptnovic | Anyone have this problem on choromium? |
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| 22:04.56 | Brustofski-Fan | so the netinstall will work on my wireless |
| 22:05.14 | Diopter | Brustofski-Fan: Actually it looks like it may not, based on the info dpkg spat out a bit ago. |
| 22:06.46 | tremon | well brcm80211 says it is supported by the 2.6.32 kernel, but firmware is required |
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| 22:07.07 | Brustofski-Fan | I forgot i got about 6 feet extra cord so i can move the router out of the closet... and plug into wired!! |
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| 22:10.19 | Brustofski-Fan | if the net install is useing the 2.6.32 kernel... here is a ?... i have to use nomodeset ... every distro has different ways of useing that.. like i think mint is nomodeset acpi=off |
| 22:11.08 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: the netinstall doesn't try to load the radeon module so you should be safe. But just in case, it's radeon.modeset=0 (acpi is something entirely different) |
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| 22:11.56 | Diopter | On newer hardware like recent laptops, I have had a much better experience using the testing installer |
| 22:12.06 | Brustofski-Fan | i know arch is net install and i have to use nomodeset |
| 22:12.16 | Diopter | When I'm also installing testing, of course. Squeeze is a no-go on this particular machine. |
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| 22:13.14 | TheWarden | it appaers the package is in testing for Wheezy. |
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| 22:15.23 | Brustofski-Fan | ok get the net install burnt to cd.. and get started!! |
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| 22:15.39 | Brustofski-Fan | Thanks for the insite guys!!! |
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| 22:16.21 | geever | pfff, it's not so easy to update netinst with atheros firmware :S |
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| 22:16.41 | geever | the other computer I have only have an old Lenny which have no support anymore |
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| 22:28.44 | p3rror | please is there a way to send pdf file by fax |
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| 22:31.30 | Diopter | p3rror: I have a cheap subscription to a fax service that does it for me, through email. |
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| 22:35.39 | p3rror | Diopter, Ok there is not a tool that can do that i have a adsl usb modem |
| 22:36.14 | p3rror | Diopter, can you provide me the link to the fax service before |
| 22:36.22 | Diopter | p3rror: Well you need to have the ability to actually call a phone/fax line, for one thing. |
| 22:36.55 | Diopter | p3rror: http://www.extremefax.com/ |
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| 22:39.54 | p3rror | Diopter, thanks |
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| 22:40.17 | Diopter | Sure thing. |
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| 22:58.40 | RobertAkiraFox | hey |
| 22:58.49 | abrotman | looks for the horses |
| 22:59.02 | RobertAkiraFox | :) |
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| 23:13.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 23:13.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | it working now |
| 23:13.39 | engla | Eryn_1983_FL: apt-file knows. And packages.debian.org |
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| 23:23.39 | fbsd | JJcale por aĆ? |
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| 23:24.22 | Guest23930 | :) |
| 23:25.26 | Guest23930 | please help me ... |
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| 23:27.36 | abrotman | did you ask a question ? |
| 23:27.45 | abrotman | that'd be a no .. |
| 23:28.49 | Guest23930 | Setting up libapache2-mod-php5 (5.3.3-7+squeeze13) ... |
| 23:28.50 | Guest23930 | dpkg: error processing libapache2-mod-php5 (--configure): |
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| 23:28.50 | Guest23930 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of php5: |
| 23:28.50 | Guest23930 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.50 | dpkg | guest23930: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 23:28.55 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 23:28.56 | Gr33n3gg | heh |
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| 23:29.18 | elvis4526 | Need help guys with setting up pulseaudio for my Creative Stigma 3D headphone. |
| 23:29.39 | elvis4526 | I installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol as a mixer, but I can't get sound to work with my headphone |
| 23:29.59 | abrotman | might want to start by telling us which kenrel and version of pulse you have |
| 23:30.00 | elvis4526 | I just see sound in pavucontrol on the alsa plugin |
| 23:30.42 | Gr33n3gg | have you tried using the headphones jacks instead of the USB? |
| 23:31.07 | elvis4526 | No, it is written that with the USB sound card, the sound is better, and it can make surround with this way. |
| 23:31.27 | elvis4526 | I have pulseaudio 2.0-3 |
| 23:31.45 | elvis4526 | and kernel 3.2.20 |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | elvis4526: what does uname -r say .. it doesn't 3.2.20 unless you've compiled it yourself |
| 23:32.13 | elvis4526 | I'm on sit. |
| 23:32.14 | elvis4526 | sid* |
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| 23:32.34 | abrotman | and you've obviously checked the BTS? |
| 23:32.36 | elvis4526 | 3.2.0 actually. Isn't what I written |
| 23:32.53 | abrotman | no |
| 23:32.55 | elvis4526 | I did not think about a bug. |
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| 23:33.09 | zewb | hello |
| 23:33.12 | elvis4526 | Sorry, it was a typo mistakes. |
| 23:34.18 | zewb | how do i upgrade to a newer version of debian |
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| 23:34.27 | elvis4526 | zewb: Do you want to upgrade to sid? |
| 23:34.42 | zewb | i dont know should i upgrade to unstable or testing |
| 23:34.43 | abrotman | wtf, no |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | not unstable |
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| 23:34.59 | abrotman | !tell zewb about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 23:35.18 | zewb | is it all broken and shit? |
| 23:35.20 | RobertAkiraFox | just use squeeze |
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| 23:35.25 | zewb | ok then fuck that |
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| 23:35.32 | mikkelb | Slightly off topic but - at https://gist.github.com/2900419 - how do I prevent rule 3 from converting two or more underscores to -? They should be _. |
| 23:35.38 | abrotman | zewb: huh? |
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| 23:36.01 | elvis4526 | Unstable is not that bad. Actually, I always tought that testing was worst because when testing has bug in it, they stay a lot longer alive compared to when bugs are found in unstable. |
| 23:36.07 | abrotman | elvis4526: DO NOT PROMOTE UNSTABLE |
| 23:36.24 | abrotman | unless you're willing to be his personal support person, do not suggest people use it |
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| 23:36.26 | RobertAkiraFox | elvis4528 is right! |
| 23:36.28 | engla | Unstable(tm) |
| 23:36.34 | elvis4526 | abrotman: OK MAN SORRY |
| 23:36.38 | abrotman | that's a general rule |
| 23:36.54 | abrotman | if someone can't figure out if they should use unstable, or how to "install" unstable, they shouldn't be using unstable |
| 23:37.03 | mikkelb | its ok to promote unstable |
| 23:37.12 | mikkelb | i do it all the time and people thank me for it |
| 23:37.17 | abrotman | mikkelb: here, it is not |
| 23:37.25 | elvis4526 | Anyway it isn't the point. What is the default mixer for pa? |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | do it somewhere else, thank you |
| 23:37.35 | mikkelb | (i've done it here too) |
| 23:37.48 | abrotman | mikkelb: please don't do it again, thank you |
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| 23:38.14 | mikkelb | abrotman: cool i wont |
| 23:38.39 | elvis4526 | I'm sure i'm missing something for pulseaudio, I never used this before, I was ok with alsa. |
| 23:38.42 | mikkelb | Slightly off topic but - at https://gist.github.com/2900419 (zsh renaming script) - how do I prevent rule 3 from converting two or more underscores to -? They should be _. |
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| 23:39.11 | abrotman | elvis4526: does it even show as a device? |
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| 23:39.32 | abrotman | mikkelb: there is a #zsh ? |
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| 23:39.32 | elvis4526 | abrotman: Yes, affirmative. |
| 23:40.00 | mikkelb | abrotman: no they won't help me in there |
| 23:40.15 | abrotman | they won't? |
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| 23:40.44 | elvis4526 | abrotman: But I don't know how to explain that, in the mixer, as a devices, I have the headset and my normal sound card as two seperate devices. When I play something, in the mixer, I only see sound activity on my principal sound card. Is there a way to tell what is the default devices to use? |
| 23:42.37 | alfplayer | elvis4526: the one clicked "set as fallback" in pavucontrol is kinda the default |
| 23:42.53 | elvis4526 | Yeah ok nvm it work lol |
| 23:42.58 | Guest23930 | elvis4526: alsa ? |
| 23:42.59 | tremon | elvis4526: you should be able to set the default in pavucontrol, or use pacmd set-default-sink (from memory, I've evicted pulse from my machines) |
| 23:43.24 | Guest23930 | aptitude install alsaconf alsa |
| 23:43.28 | Guest23930 | alsaconf |
| 23:43.32 | Guest23930 | enjoy :) |
| 23:44.08 | alfplayer | alsaconf? is it used nowadays? |
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| 23:44.43 | Guest23930 | but for me the most stable and working perfectly |
| 23:44.51 | Guest23930 | ;) |
| 23:45.11 | zewb | it seems kind of stupid |
| 23:45.13 | alfplayer | alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1. From the package changelog: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." |
| 23:45.25 | zewb | for people in this channel to be telling people to not use debian sid |
| 23:45.44 | zewb | i asked how to upgrade to sid, not why i shouldnt upgrade to sid |
| 23:45.49 | alfplayer | that's from the wiki, btw |
| 23:46.20 | MaXim_ | o man |
| 23:46.26 | MaXim_ | i remember alsaconf back in the day |
| 23:46.38 | Guest23930 | aptitude update |
| 23:46.41 | MaXim_ | configuring my sound blaster 16 |
| 23:46.46 | Guest23930 | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 23:46.51 | zewb | thanks guest |
| 23:46.57 | Guest23930 | ;) |
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| 23:46.59 | zewb | why cant the regulars be as helpful |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | Guest23930: did you fix your problem yet? |
| 23:47.09 | rudi_s | lal |
| 23:47.14 | rudi_s | (Sorry.) |
| 23:47.21 | zewb | all they do is tell you what you are doing is stupid rather than help you with doing it |
| 23:47.27 | abrotman | zewb: because if you don't know how to upgrade to sid, you likely can't fix all the different ways it will break |
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| 23:47.41 | zewb | SOMEBODYS ASKING FOR HELP, THIS LOOKS LIKE A GOOD TIME TO SHARE MY OPINIONS |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | zewb: sid/unstable breaks in new and interesting ways every day |
| 23:47.47 | Guest23930 | abrotman: no fixx ... |
| 23:47.59 | abrotman | Guest23930: you didn't pastebin the output yet, use paste.debian.net |
| 23:48.08 | engla | zewb: for starters, upgrade to wheezy like abrotman gave a tip about |
| 23:48.36 | Guest23930 | http://paste.debian.net/175553/ |
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| 23:50.40 | Gr33n3gg | gah, the squeeze installer is still hanging at 50% when it's detecting disks |
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| 23:51.03 | Gr33n3gg | I've tried the normal i386 ISO and the netinst with non-free firmware but it still hangs |
| 23:51.21 | abrotman | Guest23930: does this box have icecast installed? |
| 23:51.41 | abrotman | Gr33n3gg: does the debug window have any useful information ? |
| 23:52.24 | Gr33n3gg | It could be the USB drive that was plugged in, I'll try the expert install |
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| 23:53.02 | Guest23930 | not installed icecast |
| 23:53.26 | abrotman | uhm, sorry, is airtime installed |
| 23:53.34 | Guest23930 | btw: it messed up somewhere... |
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| 23:54.18 | JJCale | boas ppl |
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| 23:54.33 | Guest23930 | will help me to fix it? |
| 23:54.37 | Guest23930 | abrotman: |
| 23:54.39 | Guest23930 | :) |
| 23:55.18 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 23:55.35 | abrotman | Guest23930: any further messages in /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 23:56.09 | tremon | does anyone know if postfix can act as lmtp server? |
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| 23:56.27 | abrotman | tremon: i believe it can, #postfix is generally pretty helpful |
| 23:56.42 | tremon | ah thx :) will try there |
| 23:57.18 | Guest23930 | 3.231.166.25:16859 ulen 116 |
| 23:57.18 | Guest23930 | Jun 20 19:39:02 rtfm /USR/SBIN/CRON[28608]: (root) CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -delete) |
| 23:57.56 | Gr33n3gg | abrotman: eh, used the expert install mode and now it works. |
| 23:58.33 | Guest23930 | Jun 20 19:55:01 rtfm /USR/SBIN/CRON[28680]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1) |
| 23:58.34 | Guest23930 | Jun 20 19:55:01 rtfm /USR/SBIN/CRON[28678]: (CRON) error (grandchild #28680 failed with exit status 127) |
| 23:58.53 | Guest23930 | this is abrotman |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | Gr33n3gg: and also unplugged the usb drive? |
| 23:59.28 | abrotman | Guest23930: please use a pastebin .. it's pretty hard to follow 5 lines across other conversations |
| 23:59.38 | Gr33n3gg | abrotman: yeah, but I tried that before. I needed to load the non-free firmware from it. regardless, it now works |
