| 00:00.00 | abrotman | tremon: let me rephrase .. i know it can, but i'm not sure if it does what you're looking for |
| 00:00.10 | Guest23930 | abrotman: |
| 00:00.11 | Guest23930 | http://paste.debian.net/175554/ |
| 00:00.14 | abrotman | Guest23930: this is a VPS? |
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| 00:01.09 | tremon | abrotman: ok, more specific then: I'm trying to replace exim-heavy with postfix at home, and I'm having some issues integrating dspam nicely |
| 00:01.43 | nsadmin | does dspam need lmtp? |
| 00:01.46 | abrotman | tremon: i know what dspam is, and that's about the end of it :) |
| 00:01.57 | Guest23930 | abrotman: nope |
| 00:01.57 | abrotman | nsadmin: likely yes |
| 00:02.03 | tremon | my exim config used dspam as a pipe filter, so input and output connected to exim itself. That doesn't appear to be possible with postfix so I need to re-inject |
| 00:02.24 | tremon | and no I don't need lmtp, as dspam can also speak smtp |
| 00:02.32 | elvis4526 | So now the sound works on my Creative Stigma 3D with pulse, but how do I set it to surround like in Windows with the creative driver? |
| 00:02.40 | nsadmin | tremon, whew.... oh good :) |
| 00:02.45 | abrotman | tremon: are you sure? everytime i've had to use a helper app with postfix, it was via LMTP |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | maybe that was just the easier method, and i'm lazy? :) |
| 00:03.18 | nsadmin | or they just added smtp support |
| 00:03.23 | abrotman | to postfix? |
| 00:03.34 | abrotman | I didn't use dspam |
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| 00:03.52 | abrotman | can you purge all of those packages it's trying to install ? |
| 00:03.55 | tremon | but being an anal nut, I don't want to define an smtp port that bypasses the dspam content filter, and I need the bypass to prevent mail loops |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | Guest23930: ^^ |
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| 00:04.47 | Guest23930 | Well, how to fix it? |
| 00:04.54 | sebas1 | Help! |
| 00:04.56 | nsadmin | tremon, does #postfix seem active? |
| 00:05.16 | sebas1 | I can't disable Vsync with Intel integrated |
| 00:05.18 | sebas1 | Help! |
| 00:05.19 | abrotman | Guest23930: i asked if oyu can purge those packages |
| 00:05.22 | tremon | well, I did get a response to my question, it was two letters. What do you call active? |
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| 00:05.27 | tremon | ;) |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | tremon: i've had very good luck there daytime eastern us |
| 00:06.08 | nsadmin | conversations going on, like here and now |
| 00:06.18 | sebas1 | How can I disable Vertical Sync whith Intel integrated? |
| 00:06.22 | Guest23930 | i do not know how do you it |
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| 00:06.30 | abrotman | Guest23930: man apt-get |
| 00:06.33 | abrotman | or man dpkg |
| 00:06.38 | sebas1 | anybody knows? |
| 00:06.49 | elvis4526 | Anyone is a pro Pulse user here? |
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| 00:07.14 | Guest23930 | i watch it |
| 00:07.15 | Guest23930 | purge The package is selected to be purged (i.e. we want to remove everything from |
| 00:07.16 | Guest23930 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.17 | Guest23930 | ? |
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| 00:07.56 | sebas1 | How can I disable Vertical Sync whith Intel integrated? |
| 00:07.57 | tremon | ok, will try again sometime tomorrow then. For now I think I'll just use a full smtp port then |
| 00:08.18 | tharkun | tremon: Take a look at amavisd-new wiki it explains how to make an instance of postfix to scan emails. you can substitute it with dspam or whatever program you are using |
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| 00:10.25 | burek | is there a way to turn off/on the usb drive from a command line |
| 00:10.37 | abrotman | oyu mean unmount it ? |
| 00:10.38 | Brustofski-Fan | di base install of debian 6... changed repo to wheezy... doing dist-upgrade get a eglibc 2.13-25 unstable: urgency=medium.. i keep hiting enter and it keeps scrolling down.. til it says end... how do i get out of that? |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | or eject it ? |
| 00:10.43 | nsadmin | you mean make it spin down? |
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| 00:11.18 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: q? |
| 00:11.27 | nsadmin | shouldn't spin it down while mounted, if behaves right, it should spin back up if something's pending |
| 00:11.31 | burek | er.. I don't know if these questions are related to me, but.. unmount yes, too.. eject, yes.. spin down usb webcam? :) |
| 00:11.46 | abrotman | burek: man umount |
| 00:11.48 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 00:11.54 | Brustofski-Fan | tremon, what |
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| 00:12.09 | burek | abrotman, not just umount.. I want that lsusb doesn't show it for few seconds |
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| 00:12.18 | elvis4526 | abrotman: Did you see my last problem? |
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| 00:12.21 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: have you tried hitting q |
| 00:12.25 | burek | to cut its power off for a few seconds |
| 00:12.48 | nsadmin | burek, unless the webcam records onto storage it has, mount/umount for a webcam doen'st make sense either... having said that, does it mount? is it mounted now? |
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| 00:12.55 | sebas1 | Who could say me how disable Vertical Sync with card Intel integrated????????? |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | burek: not sure if you can do that |
| 00:13.06 | Brustofski-Fan | tremon, thats what i was asking was how to get out.... thanks |
| 00:13.16 | abrotman | burek: well, you could unload the usb driver .. but i'm not even sure that would do it |
| 00:13.16 | burek | the fact is I have some kind of usb extender, that is registering as an usb hub, which gets stuck sometimes and not even reboot helps.. only manual plug out/in helps |
| 00:13.19 | nsadmin | sebas1, someone on ##hardware? |
| 00:13.27 | sebas1 | no |
| 00:13.31 | sebas1 | tell me how buddy |
| 00:13.42 | sebas1 | I search in google too much |
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| 00:13.46 | burek | nsadmin, as a /dev/video |
| 00:13.47 | burek | :) |
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| 00:14.20 | nsadmin | just to satisfy a small curiousity, could you type mount |
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| 00:14.29 | nsadmin | and see if /dev/video is in ther |
| 00:14.47 | burek | :) no |
| 00:14.49 | burek | it's not |
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| 00:15.09 | nsadmin | ok, so mount/unmount is out |
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| 00:15.36 | burek | I was reading something about echo-ing 'suspend' to some /dev/usb/something../power/level |
| 00:15.38 | Brustofski-Fan | tremon, once upgrade is down.... i want gnome shell... so to get everything... that would be a full install do i o apt-get install gnome gnome-shell |
| 00:15.43 | elvis4526 | hate pulseaudio |
| 00:15.44 | sebas1 | I can't disable Vertycal Sync. Somebody tolds me diable SwapbuffersWait, and I did it... |
| 00:15.44 | burek | but that is deprecated now, I guess |
| 00:15.48 | sebas1 | but don't works |
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| 00:16.12 | Guest23930 | abrotman: |
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| 00:16.13 | burek | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.15 | Guest23930 | looked |
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| 00:16.16 | Guest23930 | http://paste.debian.net/175557/ |
| 00:17.26 | sebas1 | Nobody wants help me |
| 00:17.28 | nsadmin | burek, the two things it depends on is the webcam hardware, and the drivers (specific to the webcam's hardware, also the usb drivers) |
| 00:17.42 | dokma | I need to copy the entire filesystem from sda2 to sda1 both ext3 is cp -R enough? |
| 00:18.03 | nsadmin | sebas1, probably no one active here/now know the answer |
| 00:18.45 | engla | dokma: probably not in the way you intend |
| 00:18.52 | sebas1 | nsadmin: I understand buddy |
| 00:18.53 | burek | ok, so there is no universal way to power down an usb hub or port and then power it on again |
| 00:18.57 | dokma | engla: explain please |
| 00:19.00 | burek | right? |
| 00:19.04 | sebas1 | I googled very much |
| 00:19.10 | mikkelb | At https://gist.github.com/2900419 (zsh) - how do I turn "test test (1999) - test.txt" into "test_test-1999-foo.txt"? The closest I can get is either "test-test-1999-foo.txt" or "test_test-1999-_foo.txt". |
| 00:19.34 | engla | dokma: see man cp and cp -a, you probably want to preserve permissions, timestamps etc |
| 00:19.52 | dokma | engla: I want to preserve everything exactly the same |
| 00:19.59 | dokma | is there a better way than cp ? |
| 00:20.12 | dokma | would rsync perhaps preserve everything extactly the same? |
| 00:20.42 | burek | dokma, why are you copying it? |
| 00:20.45 | Guest23930 | slaps abrotman |
| 00:20.46 | Guest23930 | ... |
| 00:21.14 | engla | dokma: rsync and cp can both do it with the right options.. I prefer rsync for most heavy-duty copying |
| 00:21.15 | dokma | I had my old web server on sda1 but decided to switch to ISPConfig from running everything manually |
| 00:21.16 | abrotman | excuse me? |
| 00:21.31 | dokma | so I shrunk sda1 and installed new debian on sda2 with ispconfig |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | Guest23930: i asked if you could purge those packages, then try to reinstall them .. if that doesn't work, put a "set -x" on teh second line of the script that is failing, then try again |
| 00:21.47 | dokma | had that running in VBox while I was transferring sites and email accounts |
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| 00:22.13 | dokma | now that is finished and I want to remove sda1 and expand the new system to fully ocupy the machine |
| 00:22.22 | burek | dokma, use gparted |
| 00:22.28 | burek | or some similar partition editor |
| 00:22.42 | burek | you can download iso, "burn" it to an usb with unetbootin |
| 00:22.43 | dokma | but I figured that instead of deleting sda1 and expanding sda2 I should rather just recreate the fs on sda1 and copy from sda2 |
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| 00:22.47 | nsadmin | Occupy Machine! |
| 00:23.10 | dokma | burek: editing the partitions is not the problem |
| 00:23.12 | burek | well, do as you prefer, but I would rather do it with partition editor |
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| 00:23.34 | dokma | what I'm thinking about now is how to get all the stuff from sda2 to sda1 and not have any nasty surprises when I boot from sda1 |
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| 00:23.47 | burek | backup all |
| 00:23.50 | burek | :) |
| 00:23.56 | dokma | already did that |
| 00:24.04 | burek | if you can, buy an identical hdd, make a copy with dd |
| 00:24.08 | burek | and then play around |
| 00:24.09 | burek | :) |
| 00:24.15 | dokma | remote machine in a data center |
| 00:24.16 | dokma | no access |
| 00:24.17 | engla | you can use dry run with rsync |
| 00:24.23 | dokma | all is done over a network |
| 00:24.28 | tremon | Brustofski-Fan: either apt-get install gnome or gnome-core will do |
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| 00:25.16 | burek | I think simple copying might work, but I never tried such an exhibition :) |
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| 00:26.01 | Name141 | oh .. that's why, lenny is dead |
| 00:26.06 | Name141 | stupid admin not updating |
| 00:26.20 | dvs | !lenny |
| 00:26.21 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 00:26.33 | dokma | ok, I'll try rsync and just reboot |
| 00:26.40 | Name141 | dvs: oh well nothing I can do as a regular user |
| 00:26.45 | dokma | no danger here since I won't touch sda2 at all |
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| 00:26.55 | dvs | nope |
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| 00:27.35 | burek | if you are playing with it remotely, it's always a risk |
| 00:28.00 | dokma | does cp preserve hard links? |
| 00:28.07 | nsadmin | Name141, at minimum (and yes, only the admin can do this), he can change the url so stuff comes from archive.debian.org (the only place where lenny is now) |
| 00:28.08 | homes | dokma: man cp, depends |
| 00:28.25 | dokma | no mention of the word hard in man cp at all |
| 00:28.35 | Name141 | nsadmin: The bastard doesn't even answer my MSNs anymore, and I'm not a paying customer.. so.. I guess.. I can't say much |
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| 00:29.02 | burek | maybe he has got no time, answering the paying customers? :) |
| 00:29.25 | homes | dokma: look for link then :) |
| 00:29.27 | Name141 | maybe I should run his bandwidth out :p |
| 00:29.30 | Name141 | then he might |
| 00:29.39 | nsadmin | Name141, so I'm curious, what has you interested in fixing it (instead of, say, having your own remote or local) |
| 00:29.43 | Name141 | just an idea.. |
| 00:29.50 | burek | maybe you should sell your computer and start playing Lotto :D |
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| 00:30.04 | nsadmin | Name141, lawsuit waiting to happen |
| 00:30.28 | Name141 | nsadmin: Well it is where my IRCd is and I'm pretty sure the OS needs to be security updated so one of the retards on IRC doesn't hack it up |
| 00:30.59 | nsadmin | understood... |
| 00:31.12 | Name141 | nsadmin: "User uses bandwidth and gets sued" ? |
| 00:31.13 | Name141 | ;/ |
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| 00:31.57 | nsadmin | Name141, well if someone were to use all their bandwidth on purpose |
| 00:31.59 | burek | why dont you just update your os |
| 00:32.14 | Name141 | "your OS" = "his OS" |
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| 00:32.47 | Name141 | anyway nothing I can do here |
| 00:33.03 | nsadmin | Name141, but we're stuck in a bad place talking about what bad thing could happen |
| 00:33.25 | nsadmin | is this a school? or, are you paying for service? |
| 00:33.37 | nsadmin | or something else? |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | why does it matter? |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | it's not supproted anymore, end of story |
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| 00:34.26 | burek | is he blaming a debian admin or his server admin? :D |
| 00:34.33 | nsadmin | so finding ways the person could get what they're asking for is not allowed? |
| 00:34.48 | nsadmin | talking about that is also a waste of time |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | he should just tell the admin it's not supported anymore .. |
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| 00:35.56 | nsadmin | it matters because the answer could suggest additional ways he could get what he wants |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | really? how? |
| 00:36.12 | nsadmin | we don't know, he hasn't answered |
| 00:36.18 | burek | blame canada |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | i'm asking you to suggest a possible answer |
| 00:36.22 | dvs | hey! |
| 00:36.34 | burek | :) |
| 00:36.35 | nsadmin | he could get his own remote |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | wow .. great answer |
| 00:36.52 | nsadmin | oh, a possible answer the my question, ok |
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| 00:37.47 | nsadmin | he could already be paying for service, and paying for domain name... in that particular case, he shuld first ensure his domain name is his, then jump providers |
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| 00:38.04 | homes | aye |
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| 00:38.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:38.20 | burek | can he buy us a beer in the meanwhile? :) |
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| 00:40.26 | Name141 | nsadmin: he's paid for it on serverpronto |
| 00:40.47 | nsadmin | another, it could be in a school, where they're concerned about security, in which case he should tell all the admins at the same time that they can easily improve security by upgrading\ |
| 00:40.56 | nsadmin | ok, so that one's out |
| 00:41.23 | nsadmin | Name141, if he has a domain name, he should make sure it's listed in his name |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | wtf .. it's not his box |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | let him talk to the admin first .. stop making up crazy things |
| 00:41.49 | nsadmin | (not, for example, in the name of the server op) |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | he's been told Lenny no longer has support. If you want to keep talking about it, take it somewhere else |
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| 00:42.34 | abrotman | moving a domain is not a Debian problem |
| 00:44.43 | burek | will someone buy us beer? :) |
| 00:45.10 | nsadmin | !beer burek |
| 00:45.11 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Older Viscosity for burek |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | burek: try #debian-offtopic |
| 00:45.22 | burek | nsadmin, nice one :D |
| 00:45.35 | burek | abrotman, well I guess I'm on the right channel then :D |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | burek: no, go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:14.33 | zewb | hi |
| 01:15.12 | abrotman | hi |
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| 01:15.35 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:18.02 | iluminator105 | whats a ebook reader for linux with audio basically a kindle for linux |
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| 01:18.29 | abrotman | apt-cache search ebook ? |
| 01:18.58 | iluminator105 | does fbreader have audio |
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| 01:33.39 | zewb | how do i upgrade to linux kernel 3 |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | zewb: in which version of Debian? |
| 01:34.58 | iluminator105 | how do i make an image back of my whole system? |
| 01:35.04 | zewb | squeezy |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | zewb: squeeze or wheezy? |
| 01:35.21 | zewb | squeezy |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | that is not a valid release name, it's squeeze or wheezy |
| 01:35.36 | zewb | squeezy |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | okay, good luck |
| 01:37.10 | zewb | i am running debian squeezy |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | that is not a valid release name, it's squeeze or wheezy |
| 01:37.24 | zewb | how do i find out which one i have |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | you should already know |
| 01:37.33 | zewb | i have the one that has the rocket ship |
| 01:37.38 | zewb | when you put the disk in |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | what do your sources.list point at? |
| 01:38.06 | zewb | what folder is that in |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | man sources.list |
| 01:38.50 | zewb | its pointing to squeeze |
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| 01:39.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell zewb about bpo |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | zewb: read the instrcutions at that website (see what the bot told you), then install the metapackage for your kernel architecture using the -t option as the website explains |
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| 01:40.11 | zewb | ok im trying that now |
| 01:40.16 | abrotman | the metapackge will be named something like linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-686 |
| 01:41.14 | zewb | Segmentation fault. |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | reading a website? |
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| 01:48.30 | abrotman | would think that'd be a kline .. |
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| 01:50.01 | bburhans | eft: protip: fix your router or whatever's causing your disconnect. Usually upgrading the firmware suffices, but not always. |
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| 01:50.02 | abrotman | smart kid .. |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | bburhans: or connect to fn on 8080 or whatever that port is |
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| 01:50.31 | bburhans | abrotman: freenode servers offer plaintext connections on ports 6665-6667 and 8000-8002 and SSL encryption on 6697, 7000, and 7070 |
| 01:50.39 | bburhans | yes, connecting on an alternate port is probably easier |
| 01:50.40 | abrotman | i guess it was 8000 |
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| 01:52.46 | abrotman | notes it was more than just eft |
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| 01:53.24 | bburhans | abrotman: yes, but the other fellow is reconnecting far more slowly, maybe even manually. |
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| 02:36.22 | elvis4526 | Guys, where is paeq in debian? |
| 02:36.35 | sney | paeq? |
| 02:36.55 | nsadmin | elvis4526 try apt-cache search paeq |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 02:37.20 | nsadmin | or packages.debian.org |
| 02:37.42 | elvis4526 | There is no sign of it |
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| 02:37.45 | elvis4526 | I already checked. |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | what is it? |
| 02:37.57 | elvis4526 | An equalizer for pulse audio |
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| 02:38.36 | abrotman | isn't that what pavucontrol is for ? |
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| 02:39.38 | nsadmin | that sounds like volume sliders |
| 02:40.08 | nsadmin | or maybe just meters |
| 02:40.56 | elvis4526 | No it is really an equalizer. Is there an other way to set more bass for my headset? |
| 02:41.14 | elvis4526 | abrotman: pavucontrol is just for the volume |
| 02:41.27 | abrotman | elvis4526: which application are you using? |
| 02:41.43 | elvis4526 | abrotman: I use mocp for music |
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| 02:42.45 | abrotman | not in debian ? |
| 02:43.30 | elvis4526 | I use mocp to listen music in debian, I have a creative 3d headphone and I used pulseaudio because with just alsa the usb adaptor doesn,t ork |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | i mean the package isn't in debian ? |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | oh .. moc is the package |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | i'd think it would have its own mixer |
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| 02:44.56 | nsadmin | most mixers for linux/debian don't include eq, which is what he's after |
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| 02:45.29 | elvis4526 | Yeah, but I read that paeq was inculded by default in pulse audio |
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| 02:45.39 | elvis4526 | But it doesn't seems to be like that in the debian package |
| 02:45.50 | nsadmin | having said that, careful with music in headphones... you could fuck up your hearing |
| 02:46.05 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:46.25 | elvis4526 | The volume isn't too high lol |
| 02:46.57 | nsadmin | and careful listening to people who say that's not the case |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | nsadmin: please stop |
| 02:47.27 | nsadmin | specify. |
| 02:49.31 | elvis4526 | So what should I do? |
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| 02:50.14 | nsadmin | find what you want, build it and install it |
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| 02:50.57 | nsadmin | if it's not in debian supposedly you can't talk about it here, but there is no documentation to that effect |
| 02:50.57 | elvis4526 | aight |
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| 02:51.55 | gunkaaa | <nsadmin> having said that, careful with music in headphones... you could fuck up your hearing |
| 02:52.02 | gunkaaa | what on earth are you talking about? |
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| 02:52.24 | abrotman | gunkaaa: please ignore him |
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| 02:52.35 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you don't like it, please leave, you've been warned umpteen times |
| 02:52.58 | nsadmin | if you don't know, try it... cymbal hits are around 6000 hz and up, turn those up in your headphones and see if they hurt |
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| 02:55.50 | gunkaaa | nsadmin: there's nothing special about 6kHz, human is 20Hz -> 20kHz |
| 02:55.54 | gunkaaa | the problem is the turning it up bit |
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| 03:11.55 | Brustofski-Fan | what command you use to configer ati |
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| 03:15.06 | adrakoa | Brustofski-Fan, apt-cache search ati |
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| 03:23.55 | iluminator105 | how do i make an image back of my whole system? |
| 03:24.07 | iluminator105 | how do i make an image of my whole system? |
| 03:24.26 | bazhang | dd ? |
| 03:25.08 | iluminator105 | bazhang, i was thinking clonezilla would be easiest way what do you think |
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| 03:25.36 | bazhang | depends on you. dd is pretty darned easy |
| 03:26.05 | bazhang | if you want some kind of bootable image/restore or the like then remastersys or similar |
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| 03:27.46 | iluminator105 | bazhang, how would you dd it just dd / /external drive |
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| 03:29.39 | bazhang | http://manpages.debian.net has a nice little search box |
| 03:29.45 | Timmooo | So guys, I have a really derpy question for you. To set my FQDN I just put in /etc/hosts: IP domain.tld |
| 03:29.46 | Timmooo | ? |
| 03:30.02 | Timmooo | Searching around doesn't seem to give me a clear answer |
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| 03:33.26 | Timmooo | Well it works :p |
| 03:33.37 | drak-ipad | hi all. I have a quick question. I'm trying to run a python script that wants a specific version of gcc. that version is on my system but not the default. What is the command to use a specific gcc to compile? |
| 03:34.13 | drak-ipad | I've seen it before, I just can't remember what it was, something like gcc=4.x...? |
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| 03:36.24 | tensorpudding | drak-ipad, how are you calling the script |
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| 03:36.38 | tensorpudding | how does the script determine a gcc version |
| 03:36.41 | drak-ipad | ./scriptname.pl |
| 03:36.53 | tensorpudding | .pl means perl, not python |
| 03:37.13 | ericklan | py is python |
| 03:37.35 | tensorpudding | well, the /usr/bin/gcc on your machine specifies a specific gcc installation on your machine |
| 03:37.36 | drak-ipad | I said python, didn't I? >.< Yes, it is perl, not python |
| 03:37.53 | tensorpudding | usually you don't have more than one |
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| 03:38.23 | tensorpudding | and if you did, it'd be a bit annoying to specify the non-standard one |
| 03:38.44 | drak-ipad | tensorpudding: Its the vmware tools install script and it wants to use the gcc version that my headers were compiled with. headers were 4.1.3 while on the system is 4.3.4 |
| 03:38.59 | tensorpudding | that sounds like a bad idea |
| 03:39.20 | tensorpudding | maybe you should compile the kernel with your gcc |
| 03:39.32 | tensorpudding | err, with your system gcc |
| 03:39.45 | tensorpudding | do you actually have 4.1.3 installed |
| 03:39.54 | drak-ipad | tensorpudding: according to apt-get I do |
| 03:40.14 | tensorpudding | well |
| 03:40.19 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 03:40.35 | tensorpudding | it might be as simple as updating alternatives to point to the older version of gcc |
| 03:41.03 | tensorpudding | i don't know, it seems like a bad idea to compile things with a different version than your system used |
| 03:41.47 | tensorpudding | what headers are these |
| 03:41.53 | drak-ipad | linux headers |
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| 03:42.08 | tensorpudding | the latest kernel version available to you? |
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| 03:43.57 | drak-ipad | ah ha! found the comman "CC=gcc-4.1 ./scriptname-pl" |
| 03:44.00 | drak-ipad | command* |
| 03:44.29 | tensorpudding | well, setting CC does set the variable of the C compiler in makefiles in some cases |
| 03:44.53 | tensorpudding | that might not actually work if it calls, say, the system ld or something |
| 03:45.05 | tensorpudding | but i dunno if you can mismatch cc and ld version to break things |
| 03:45.10 | drak-ipad | it works in this particular instance :) |
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| 03:45.29 | drak-ipad | I've done it before... thing is this is a live webserver, so my options are somewhat limited :| |
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| 03:47.06 | drak-ipad | thanks for the assist tensorpudding |
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| 03:59.40 | iluminator105 | bazhang, LOL |
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| 04:01.36 | dokma | very weird |
| 04:01.50 | dokma | when I type mount I get rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
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| 04:02.09 | dokma | instead of the expected /dev/sda1 on / |
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| 04:13.22 | IceWewe | Anyone ever mount GPT inside LVM? |
| 04:13.53 | IceWewe | I have an LVM slice with an iSCSI backup of a Mac, and the partitions aren't showing up as device numbers, so I can't mount any of them :( |
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| 04:25.24 | caf | IceWewe: the easiest option might be to manually read the GPT table and use the offsets with dd to copy the partition of interest out to a flat file, which you can mount loopback |
| 04:25.56 | IceWewe | caf: Yeah, copying it out to a file isn't really an option. It's 150GB+ of data |
| 04:26.14 | IceWewe | how can I find the offsets though? If I knew the byte offset I could just create a loopback device and mount that. |
| 04:28.47 | caf | use a userspace tool to read the the gpt table - eg the sleuthkit package says it includes such a tool |
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| 05:00.16 | fbe | hi |
| 05:00.39 | fbe | is freenx on squeeze as good as the nomachine nx version?ß |
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| 05:49.14 | johnD | I am new to linux and I am wondering what the hardest linux or unix-like distro is to set up currently out there |
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| 05:51.29 | streuner__ | johnD, if you are able to read, you should be able to use Debian :-) |
| 05:51.54 | karlpinc | !hard to use |
| 05:51.54 | dpkg | People say Debian is hard to use. This is because Debian emphasizes freedom so you must enable the installation of non-free software, like <flash>. See <overview>. |
| 05:51.54 | peterrooney | johnD: arch on ppc |
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| 05:52.25 | karlpinc | peterrooney: On a ps3. ;-) |
| 05:53.07 | streuner__ | well, on newer PS3 you arent able to use Linux at all... |
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| 05:56.27 | johnD | somebody told me gentoo or slackware was |
| 05:57.40 | karlpinc | johnD: What is your goal here? We're here to help with debian questions and are happy to tell you about debian. Otherwise you might be better off in #linux for general questions. |
| 05:58.48 | caf | the hardest to use unix-like would probably be one of the original unixes |
| 05:59.04 | johnD | ok so then why do people think debians so hard you only have to enable the nonfree software as you stated above correct it should be like ubuntu or easier distros from there on out right |
| 05:59.23 | caf | to even compile it you would need an old pre-standards VAX-targetted C compiler |
| 05:59.32 | johnD | for what I gather it uses the same package manager |
| 05:59.33 | caf | s/VAX/PDP-11/ |
| 05:59.43 | johnD | :( |
| 06:00.44 | karlpinc | johnD: Other distros have stuff that people "expect".... Perhaps you want to see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for more info regards this. |
| 06:01.17 | johnD | shoot I always found BSD like flavors distros pretty easy arch has only the sh , bash shell be default but then again pacman -S which sucks as a package manager I have to say like the name |
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| 06:03.14 | karlpinc | johnD: Other distros either pay for the ability to include non-free stuff that people want or ignore the law (seemingly IANAL). Debian puts it on you to install stuff, particularly when it comes to video content related stuff. |
| 06:03.42 | johnD | I think gentoo will be not to hard to figure because I believe it was off of bsd variants probably net or free bsd. But never tried out portage /emerge package managers that much |
| 06:04.15 | karlpinc | johnD: The whole point of a package manager is to make things easy. |
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| 06:08.09 | johnD | well if that was the case we would have one package manager with a few commands that could do anything you want. Obviously that idea failed |
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| 06:11.27 | johnD | but if you are think of as a way to easily install software with out having to worry about dependency issues then once you get good with using the package manager I agree with you :) |
| 06:13.15 | rgenito | i luff you debian ;x |
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| 06:27.38 | ksk | judd: version subersion |
| 06:27.39 | judd | No package named 'subersion' was found in i386. |
| 06:27.54 | ksk | judd: version subversion |
| 06:27.55 | judd | Package: subversion on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-backports: 1.6.12dfsg-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.6.12dfsg-6; squeeze-security: 1.6.12dfsg-6; wheezy: 1.6.17dfsg-4; sid: 1.7.5-1 |
| 06:27.58 | ksk | judd: thx |
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| 06:30.36 | _N1x | hi guys |
| 06:30.42 | _N1x | how i can show cpu sockets on my squeeze? |
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| 06:34.48 | homes | _N1x: I normally work it out from /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:36.08 | homes | _N1x: i'm presuming you're on x86, SPARC might actually report it [prtconf/prtdiag, if you have them] |
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| 06:42.13 | _N1x | homes: http://pastie.org/4124807 |
| 06:42.15 | _N1x | no idea :-( |
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| 06:45.08 | ChrisH | _N1x: try lshw -short as root |
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| 06:45.40 | _N1x | ChrisH: lshw? not found |
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| 07:02.05 | jelly-home | ChrisH: are you sure lshw will show empty sockets? |
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| 07:03.30 | ws2k3 | hello guys i use : cpufreq-set -c 0 -g performance to disable speedstepping but when i reboot i need to set it again how should i do that i dont need to redo at reboot? |
| 07:04.46 | ksk | cant you disable that in bios? |
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| 07:05.53 | ChrisH | jelly-home: not sure. I do not have Debian/Linux boxes with empty CPU sockets I am aware off :) |
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| 07:08.52 | ws2k3 | i cant come in the bios because its a dedicated server |
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| 07:15.08 | D-Boy | how to make tree show arabic characters ? all i see when doing tree to a folder with arabic names is something like : \331\201\330\252\331\211 instead of the real name (l shows the arabic names just fine) |
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| 07:16.15 | caf | ws2k3: you could add that command to /etc/rc.local |
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| 07:18.26 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, filenames are defined as bytes; there's no defined encoding that they must conform to |
| 07:19.36 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : Okey, so why tree is not showing those files 'correctly' ? do i need to do something for it, or is it impossible |
| 07:19.59 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, which means filenames with characters outside 1-127 are relying on every program which displays them to "just know" the correct encoding (which is often utf-8) |
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| 07:21.27 | cwillu_at_work | I haven't looked yet, but judging from your sample above, it appears that tree is just escaping bytes that don't appear to be "normal characters", which includes basically anything but ascii characters in a utf-8 encoding filename |
| 07:22.09 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, try tree -N, but be aware that defeating that check can cause other problems |
| 07:22.23 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : let me try that |
| 07:22.46 | cwillu_at_work | i.e., it'll pass through the bytes to your terminal, which probably will render the characters correctly; but at the same time, it'll also pass through linefeeds and so forth (which are valid characters in a filename)) |
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| 07:23.16 | cwillu_at_work | (incidentally, this is why one should never attempt to parse the output of ls and company: it's basically impossible to do correctly) |
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| 07:24.39 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : it works, thx ^^ |
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| 07:25.25 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : all i want atm is savine the directories structures as i'll be forced to remove some datas and get them back later |
| 07:25.45 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, note also that colour and so forth is done by special escapes, and it's quite possible for a filename to include those same escapes |
| 07:26.01 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, the \123 is reversible |
| 07:26.19 | cwillu_at_work | i.e., it's not a corruption in any sense |
| 07:26.20 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : it seems that colors are not saved when i doo tree -N >filename |
| 07:26.31 | cwillu_at_work | that's probably unrelated to -N |
| 07:26.48 | cwillu_at_work | in general most utilities that can print in colour disable it when they detect their stdout isn't a terminal |
| 07:26.56 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : sure i have not color codes even without -N on files saved with tree command |
| 07:27.16 | cwillu_at_work | (because, again, the coloring is performed by spitting out normal characters) |
| 07:27.34 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, I'm not sure you've entirely comprehended what I've been saying :) |
| 07:28.13 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : i'm not sure too, noob here :), but a little bit i think '^^ |
| 07:28.29 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, what's your preferred text editor? |
| 07:28.38 | ChrisH | D-Boy: Did you test some directories using tar and extracted them somewhere else? BTW I never used tree the the past 15 years. |
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| 07:29.34 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : on console : nano |
| 07:29.50 | D-Boy | on gui (windows gui) editplus or komodo edit |
| 07:30.26 | cwillu_at_work | ls / --color=always > /tmp/test ; ls / >> /tmp/test ; nano /tmp/test |
| 07:30.34 | cwillu_at_work | compare the two halves of the file |
| 07:30.39 | D-Boy | ChrisH : all i want is savind some directory structures (subdirectories and file names, maybe it can be done with ls ?) |
| 07:30.49 | cwillu_at_work | what you see in the beginning is how "color" is implemented |
| 07:30.56 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : ah, okey i'll try it |
| 07:31.22 | ChrisH | D-Boy: Why not using: \ls -lRh <<<-- Use the \ before the ls to unalias it |
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| 07:32.03 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : i see the color codes |
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| 07:32.39 | cwillu_at_work | D-Boy, that's what ls is outputting when it detects a terminal. tree will be doing the same thing |
| 07:33.04 | cwillu_at_work | if you cat /tmp/test now, you'll see the colours rendered in the terminal |
| 07:33.07 | D-Boy | ChrisH : that's one way to do it, but it's not as readable as tree |
| 07:33.36 | untrusted | thinks hd |
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| 07:34.01 | D-Boy | cwillu_at_work : you're right, that's interesting, can tree includes colors on files too ? |
| 07:34.12 | cwillu_at_work | "man tree" to find out :p |
| 07:34.17 | D-Boy | i will ^^ |
| 07:34.19 | D-Boy | thx :) |
| 07:34.35 | cwillu_at_work | "/color" inside to search for color, n and N to go to next and previous match |
| 07:34.58 | D-Boy | i use most to view man (for colors :p) |
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| 07:35.38 | cwillu_at_work | less can be coerced into displaying colours too, via the same trickery |
| 07:35.49 | cwillu_at_work | (which again can cause problems in some cases) |
| 07:36.45 | ChrisH | eg. most of these GNU extentions are not avaliable on comercial UNIX systems. |
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| 07:37.26 | cwillu_at_work | that... wasn't what I was referring to :p |
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| 07:41.59 | stephan48 | on debian 3.1 with kernel 2.6.17.11 - how could i find out which drive is my cdrom? |
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| 07:43.49 | sep | stephan48, you could check where your /dev/cdrom symlink points to, with ls -lh /dev/cdrom |
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| 07:46.08 | ChrisH | stephan48: or my favourite command today: lshw -short -C disk |
| 07:46.14 | stephan48 | sep: interesting try, but no /dev/cdrom |
| 07:46.18 | jelly-home | stephan48: also, look at dmesg output. Figure out which /dev/hd* is your disk, and which is your optical drive |
| 07:46.46 | stephan48 | ChrisH: also nice but guess what? "lshw: command not found" |
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| 07:46.57 | jelly-home | stephan48: can you redirect the whole dmesg output to a file, and pastebin it? |
| 07:47.02 | ChrisH | stephan48: apt-get install lshw will fix it |
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| 07:47.23 | stephan48 | ChrisH: debian 3.1? :) |
| 07:47.33 | jelly-home | ChrisH: that's a decade old debian. apt sources will not work, or worse, they'll point to "stable" |
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| 07:48.11 | ChrisH | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ <<--- I just added that to my Lenny system... |
| 07:48.20 | jelly-home | stephan48: do NOT install anything unless you're pretty sure your apt is configured for sarge sources from archive.debian.org |
| 07:48.23 | stephan48 | ChrisH: being there too atm |
| 07:48.42 | stephan48 | jelly-home: its configured in a way that it will surely fuckup |
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| 07:48.55 | jelly-home | yeah, that was the old default |
| 07:48.57 | stephan48 | most repos point to sarge but a few also to stable |
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| 07:50.03 | ws2k3 | i cant come in the bios because its a dedicated server |
| 07:50.05 | ws2k3 | hello guys i use : cpufreq-set -c 0 -g performance to disable speedstepping but when i reboot i need to set it again how should i do that i dont need to redo at reboot? |
| 07:50.13 | jelly-home | stephan48: comment out everything active, make sure only the lines from /msg dpkg sarge sources.list are present |
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| 07:51.08 | stephan48 | found the drive! |
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| 07:51.33 | stephan48 | bit more background info, i copied the data into an virtualbox vm, my cdrom is declared as secondary master, so with a bit of guessthing and thinking i found it at /dev/hdc |
| 07:51.36 | jelly-home | ws2k3: a simple thing to do is explained in /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 07:56.54 | ws2k3 | jelly-home thx for the advice it worked |
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| 08:09.32 | jelly-home | ws2k3: you could also do that particular issue via sysfsutils package and /etc/syscfs.conf |
| 08:09.44 | jelly-home | erm, /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 08:12.36 | nezZario | e.g. log files? |
| 08:12.44 | nezZario | I have "sudo -u rbackups /backups/pull_backups startup < /dev/null" in there and it is not firing as far as I can tell |
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| 08:31.59 | sammyf | hello there. I'm trying to install a newer version of mercurial in squeeze. I added the backport repos to the apt/source.list, but I still only get 1.6.4-1 from aptitude. How can I tell apt to get the 2.2.1 version from the backport and not the old version from the main repos? |
| 08:34.00 | ansgar | sammyf: Did you read the instructions on backports.debian.org? |
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| 08:36.33 | sammyf | ansgar: of course nto :/ I just read http://packages.debian.org . thanks. i'll read up on that. sorry for the stupid question |
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| 08:57.24 | balboah | I'm not german but it sure sounds like one |
| 08:59.28 | sturles | It means "by the tired bear". |
| 08:59.43 | sturles | And no. It is not a name. |
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| 09:10.18 | gocucho | hello. I tried to mount my external hd in gnome, but it says this : Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
| 09:10.34 | gocucho | do you know how can I fix it? |
| 09:11.38 | Puck` | doesn't the link give you more details? |
| 09:12.26 | gocucho | no, I cant find anything |
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| 09:16.33 | gocucho | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.25 | gnarface | gocucho: mount the volume as root |
| 09:17.57 | gocucho | but, can I mount it as user? |
| 09:18.53 | gnarface | gocucho: english is not your first language is it? |
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| 09:19.06 | gocucho | no, sorry :S |
| 09:19.47 | gnarface | gocucho: you need to read that error message. it answers every question you have asked |
| 09:20.50 | gocucho | but I need mount it without root |
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| 09:21.56 | gocucho | 1611995 |
| 09:22.55 | gnarface | ? |
| 09:23.19 | untrusted | this once was a nearly secure password ;-) |
| 09:23.52 | gnarface | hah |
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| 09:24.04 | untrusted | (just a guess) |
| 09:24.18 | gnarface | looked like a birthdate |
| 09:24.24 | gnarface | good guess |
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| 09:31.26 | ultra420 | anybody could help me with my "expect" script problem plz? i was trapped by this for 3 days |
| 09:31.59 | ultra420 | i got strange output in expect_log ,such as " ^[]0;root@12333:~^G " |
| 09:32.29 | ultra420 | the "~]$ " became "~^G" ,so i can't use "expect ~]$ " in expect script |
| 09:32.37 | ultra420 | any helps please....suffering. |
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| 09:36.38 | untrusted | ultra420: likely color escape sequence |
| 09:36.50 | untrusted | ultra420: either change your prompt or be less strict in what you expect |
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| 09:40.41 | ultra420 | coool,i found the reason! it is made by the gnome-terminal |
| 09:40.52 | ultra420 | i use this expect script in tty console,it works right! |
| 09:41.30 | ultra420 | dear untrusted , what do you mean,sooory,i can't understand what have you said |
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| 09:42.59 | untrusted | ultra420: the unexpected characters you see are those sent to the terminal to make color |
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| 09:43.39 | ultra420 | cooool,dear untrusted ,you got it. |
| 09:43.41 | untrusted | ultra420: try something like echo -e '\033[01;34mA\033[00mB' in a terminal running the bash shell |
| 09:44.02 | ultra420 | you are coooool,you got it, i finnaly know the real reason! |
| 09:44.10 | ultra420 | linux was hell,but is heaven now. |
| 09:44.17 | ultra420 | torture for a long time... |
| 09:44.25 | ultra420 | thanks,dear untrusted ,you do really help me. |
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| 09:54.08 | _droid | hi people, i wanted to know if the kfreebsd variant of debian has it's own channel |
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| 09:55.01 | untrusted | _droid: likely on irc.oftc.net#debian-kbsd |
| 09:55.02 | streuner__ | dpkg, kfreebsd |
| 09:55.03 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:55.51 | ksk | howto absolutly reinstall a package? including default config etc pp? |
| 09:56.23 | gnarface | ksk: dpkg --purge |
| 09:56.35 | gnarface | ksk: dpkg --purge [package name] |
| 09:56.36 | gnarface | i mena |
| 09:56.38 | gnarface | mean |
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| 09:57.43 | ksk | but then you have to remove depending packages, too |
| 09:57.48 | ksk | if you reinstall you do not afaik |
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| 09:59.55 | jpinx | is it normal for /var to grow to over 1 Gb when upgrading to wheezy? |
| 10:00.17 | simonlnu | aptitude clean ? |
| 10:00.30 | Sm0ke0ut | possible. your .deb files will be cached in /var |
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| 10:01.24 | gnarface | ksk: apt-get autoremove should remove anything that was installed as a dependency that is no longer needed |
| 10:01.36 | jpinx | that's crazy for people using a minimalist system :( |
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| 10:01.43 | jpinx | simonlnu: yes - tried that |
| 10:02.23 | gnarface | aptitude cache != apt cache? |
| 10:02.50 | jpinx | Sm0ke0ut: does the upgrade not delete the older .debs ? |
| 10:02.53 | simonlnu | same place /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 10:03.28 | simonlnu | both use libapt |
| 10:04.28 | simonlnu | jpinx: they're cleaned out only when you tell it to |
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| 10:05.00 | simonlnu | there's autoclean which will remove older .debs if you have 2 diff. versions of the same package |
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| 10:05.36 | jpinx | simonlnu: ok - Autoclean might be the one |
| 10:06.34 | jpinx | I'll have to read the man.... |
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| 10:06.59 | jpinx | and re-clone the squeeze vm and start the upgrade again |
| 10:07.18 | simonlnu | ran out of room, or almost? |
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| 10:10.50 | jpinx | simonlnu: yes - and cloning and resizing vm's is not straightforward |
| 10:11.47 | simonlnu | *nods* |
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| 10:12.01 | jpinx | I have to repartition the freespace and rsncy /var, /usr, /libs into them, rewrite fstab, reboot, delete copies and start the upgrade again |
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| 10:12.42 | untrusted | jpinx: using lvm makes this somewhat easier |
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| 10:13.08 | untrusted | jpinx: you could also try to upgrade in steps |
| 10:13.09 | jpinx | !lvm |
| 10:13.09 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:13.48 | jpinx | untrusted: I'm not in the mindset to learn something new when I just want this done ;) |
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| 10:26.45 | TuxBlackEdo | how do i fix pptpd error 619? |
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| 10:28.22 | [TheFlash] | judd: versions compiz |
| 10:28.25 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
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| 10:28.49 | [TheFlash] | still no compiz in wheezy? |
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| 10:31.20 | [TheFlash] | how long will squeeze recieve security updates? |
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| 10:31.29 | [TheFlash] | i mean, after wheezy becomes stable |
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| 10:38.15 | DotHack | can i have scp stop giving an error if there are no files to copy? |
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| 10:38.38 | jchome | yo dawgs |
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| 10:40.03 | jiku | DotHack, if i understand you correctly.. scp <nonexistant-file> destination 2> /dev/null |
| 10:40.11 | jchome | I got a problem with the Debian installer, probably a usual problem. The kernel does not support my RAID controller, there exists the driver already in the kernel, in an old version. How to update it? Putting it into the initrd doesn't cut it as I expect it to be compiled into the kernel. |
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| 10:40.26 | DotHack | jiku: this disables all errors.. |
| 10:40.45 | jiku | DotHack, yea |
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| 10:41.07 | DotHack | jiku: i would like to receive errors when there are connection issues... |
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| 10:43.29 | jiku | DotHack, no clue.. |
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| 10:51.06 | Trieste | Hi, is there a way I can check whether the shell has been launched by screen? I ask because I'd like to run screen every time I ssh to a machine, but I figured that simply putting it into .bashrc (.zshrc) wouldn't work |
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| 11:00.09 | June21 | Trieste: why would you want that? why not just suspend and move the current job to a screen when needed? |
| 11:01.08 | ksk | Trieste: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-users/2006-09/msg00014.html |
| 11:01.13 | ksk | google and stuff... |
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| 11:06.38 | amoxibos | i have problems with broken pacakges |
| 11:06.41 | amoxibos | how do i fix it? |
| 11:06.58 | amoxibos | what is the clean command? |
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| 11:08.27 | SPF | amoxibos: apt-get --fix-broken |
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| 11:11.14 | amoxibos | SPF, thanks |
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| 11:17.33 | ksk | can i make rsync tell me how much "bits" it needs to transfer instead of doing it? like the result of this "incremental file list" |
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| 11:23.11 | Trieste | ksk: thanks, I did google but didn't find this one :) |
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| 12:02.01 | WinstonSmith | ksk -n for a dry run or --dry-run |
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| 12:20.24 | darsie | whats the command to search for packages by tags such as field::electronics? |
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| 12:22.02 | tremon | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 12:22.57 | tremon | also available as package aptitude-doc btw |
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| 12:25.36 | kmap | hi |
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| 12:33.00 | Sevet | does anyone know why du would show an empty directory as using >1M of space? |
| 12:33.19 | Sevet | could that be from a deleted file something still has open perhaps? |
| 12:33.22 | WormFood | where can I find more information on making debian stable boot over nfs? I'm sure I'm just a few lines of configuration away from making it work, but I'm missing something. All the tutorials/how-tos I've found so far, are rather old, and reference packages that are no longer in debian. (I've given up on making it work over iScsi at the moment) |
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| 12:33.32 | WormFood | Sevet, perhaps a hidden file |
| 12:33.40 | Sevet | ls -a only shows . & .. |
| 12:33.58 | WormFood | there is overhead for a directory, but 1 meg seems a little high |
| 12:34.05 | Sevet | that's what i thought too :) |
| 12:34.07 | WormFood | what filesystem? ext3? ext4? |
| 12:34.10 | Sevet | ext3 |
| 12:34.44 | WormFood | delete the directory and recreate it |
| 12:35.10 | abrotman | Sevet: yes, it could be an open file handle |
| 12:35.12 | WormFood | I'm guessing you had a lot of files in there before, but are deleted, so their directory entries still take up space (that is just speculation) |
| 12:35.45 | WormFood | oh yeah, forgot about that. If a file there was open, and now deleted, the file will really be allocated, and won't be deleted until it is closed |
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| 12:36.24 | sep | WormFood, what part are you failing on ? |
| 12:36.27 | WormFood | Sevet, you can try "lsof" to see if you can find if another program has a file open in that directory |
| 12:36.37 | Sevet | lsof shows nothing using that dir tagged as deleted, but i did just delete 100,000 files or so from it so it could be the entries |
| 12:36.41 | WormFood | sep, I think I'm just missing the right paramaters |
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| 12:37.11 | sep | WormFood, where in the boot process ? does it pxeboot ? does it load the kernel/initrd , does it mount nfs root ? , |
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| 12:37.29 | WormFood | oh...that part....it loads the kernel, but does not mount nfs |
| 12:37.47 | WormFood | ipxe, and it loads the kernel via pxelinux |
| 12:37.48 | sep | WormFood, you can also look at the ltsp packages in debian, a system made to nfs/nbd boot many machines from the same chroot |
| 12:38.06 | kmap | can i learn debian OS using a book |
| 12:38.19 | sep | WormFood, what does the nfs server say about it ? |
| 12:38.25 | nevyn | !debian_handbook |
| 12:38.28 | sep | does it loop on trying to mount, or you get an error ? |
| 12:38.31 | nevyn | !handbook |
| 12:38.33 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. It can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package (only in sid; in wheezy soon). Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 12:38.42 | nevyn | kmap: ^^ |
| 12:39.00 | WormFood | I don't see anything on the nfs server about it. |
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| 12:39.23 | WormFood | it gives me an error....hold on a sec, and I'll do it again, and see what it says |
| 12:39.26 | sep | how do you give the net device the nfs path and ip ? |
| 12:39.30 | kmap | can i learn debian from this book http://www.ebooknetworking.net/books_detail-0131480057.html |
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| 12:40.16 | nevyn | probably not. |
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| 12:41.01 | WormFood | sep APPEND rw nfsroot=192.168.1.1:/storage/nfs-root:defaults,nw,async,nolock panic=100 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp |
| 12:41.18 | nevyn | kmap: if you want to learn linux administration.. it might be a reasonable resource |
| 12:41.20 | engla | kmap: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 12:41.29 | WormFood | I pxeboot to pxelinux then to my kernel |
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| 12:41.51 | nevyn | if you want to learn debian.. debian-handbook is a more appropriate resource. |
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| 12:43.28 | sep | WormFood, and your initrd contains all it need to obtain net ip and nfs mount ? (you can ping the client from the nfs server when it's trying to nfsmount ?) |
| 12:43.47 | WormFood | I don't think it is configuring the network |
| 12:44.13 | WormFood | I extracted the initrd, and it appears to have all the network drivers/modules and nfs client modules |
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| 12:45.14 | tremon | WormFood: is the initrd loaded through pxe? |
| 12:45.19 | WormFood | yes |
| 12:46.28 | tremon | hmm... that's ambiguous... I meant do the tftp logs show that the initrd is actually accessed by the client |
| 12:46.52 | tremon | second, does the initrd have a dhcp client |
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| 12:47.32 | WormFood | yes, it is loading initrd from tftp. I can see it in the server logs |
| 12:48.09 | WormFood | this is a standard debian stable install. I used debootstrap. It should have the dhcp client in there, but I'll double check |
| 12:48.47 | sep | initrd and kernel is loaded over pxe's network stack. once you boot the kernel, it must use itself and the contents of initrd to . detect the network hardware (the modules) and it must optain an ip adderss (the dhcp client software) and it must mount the nfs share |
| 12:48.56 | WormFood | actually...it does not appear to have the dhcp client there |
| 12:49.15 | WormFood | correct sep, I'm aware of that |
| 12:49.32 | WormFood | the pxe stack only works in real mode |
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| 12:49.53 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.08 | WormFood | after the kernel and initrd has been loaded into memory, the pxe stuff is gone (not 100%, but can't use the pxe stack anymore) |
| 12:50.54 | mastro | When connecting my wacom table to my debian it load it with evdev instead of wacom driver: http://pastebin.com/h6EJu0mN |
| 12:51.05 | mastro | can you help me make debian load it with wacom driver? |
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| 12:51.39 | sep | WormFood, also you need to do some extra hoop jumping if your nic requires firmware blobs i imagine |
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| 12:52.45 | sep | http://rkd.zgib.net/wiki/DebianNotes/Netboot |
| 12:53.03 | WormFood | I think you're dead on with that initramfs-tools stuff. I see they have a place for local or nfs boot, and it is set to local....so I bet fixing that will help |
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| 12:53.33 | WormFood | thanks for that url sep |
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| 12:54.39 | WormFood | thanks for the help sep and tremon....I think that was the missing information I needed. |
| 12:54.47 | sep | good luck |
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| 12:55.02 | WormFood | thanks. I'll get it. Just a matter of time ;) |
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| 13:09.35 | mastro | ok... I just removed a rule in xorg.conf.d that was matching evdev |
| 13:09.39 | mastro | on tablets |
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| 13:22.15 | hramrach | hello |
| 13:22.22 | hramrach | what do I do when apt segfaults? |
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| 13:22.28 | abrotman | depends why |
| 13:22.41 | hramrach | because it's broken, obviously |
| 13:23.03 | tremon | hramrach: if it's broken, you report a bug |
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| 13:23.26 | hramrach | tremon: and what do I put in the bug? |
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| 13:23.55 | hramrach | because when I report that apt segfaults people complain that they cannot do anything about it because it does not segfault for them |
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| 13:25.22 | tremon | it doesn't hurt to have a little more faith in the debian maintainers, but it would help if you'd be able to catch a backtrace |
| 13:25.43 | hramrach | I had but in vain |
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| 13:26.02 | tremon | but like abrotman has said, it's better to make sure it's not an issue on your end |
| 13:26.19 | tremon | apt-get can also crash if it's database is corrupt or your hardware is flaky |
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| 13:26.40 | hramrach | last time I had this issue it was resolved by randomly deleteing stuff downloaded by apt |
| 13:26.43 | tremon | slaps himself |
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| 13:26.48 | tremon | s/it's/its/ |
| 13:26.59 | themill | hramrach: it would be handy to show us output of how it segfaulted, what version of apt it is etc |
| 13:27.43 | hramrach | themill: it segfaults on 'apt-get update' |
| 13:28.00 | themill | the full output probably says more than that |
| 13:28.13 | hramrach | uh, no update does not segfault, installs do |
| 13:28.28 | hramrach | # apt-get install xpra |
| 13:28.29 | hramrach | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:28.31 | hramrach | Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
| 13:28.33 | tremon | !paste |
| 13:28.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:28.57 | themill | !Segmentation faulty tree |
| 13:28.57 | dpkg | segmentation faulty tree is probably remove the package cache (rm /var/apt/cache/*.bin). After eliminating other causes, that is |
| 13:29.24 | themill | IME they normally only become corrupt when you have dodgy memory or failing filesystems |
| 13:29.30 | tremon | dpkg, english please ;) |
| 13:29.30 | dpkg | tremon: no idea |
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| 13:29.54 | hramrach | themill: so it is expected that apt crashes with some stuff in its cache and is normal way of operating apt to remove these files |
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| 13:30.15 | themill | hramrach: this situation should never arise. |
| 13:30.50 | hramrach | themill: I get corrupted package files too. WiFi which sometimes interrupts connections |
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| 13:31.24 | hramrach | ofc, I *could* have bad ram but this happens deterministically |
| 13:31.49 | themill | I have a box where aptitude would always die in the same way. Faulty ram stick. |
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| 13:33.03 | hramrach | I did run memtest on this when I put in the ram so likely not too faulty |
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| 13:34.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | Okay, so I have these beige x86 boxes that are really really tiny (Nano-ITX boards) that were custom designed for the financial sector (trading floor units)... they have two onboard ethernet itnerfaces, but no BIOS / are programmed to ONLY boot off of the single IDE channel onboard... I installed debian onto an IDE drive, (laptop drive) using another machine and then popped it into the IDE channel and grub boots it up and debian loads, I can log in... |
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| 13:35.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | the units are EOL, custom built so theres *no* documentation and no manufcacturer... there's not even a model # to google... the motherboards were custom too |
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| 13:35.39 | cwillu | somewhere in here is a question :) |
| 13:35.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | cwillu: lol |
| 13:36.17 | tharkun | TehRabbitt-Work: 2 options you make it run however you can or you have a nice coaster for several beers |
| 13:36.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | tharkun: Hmm.... well Obviously i'd prefer to make it run... :p |
| 13:36.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
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| 13:36.58 | hramrach | themill: it does not segfault when the bin files are removed |
| 13:37.05 | hramrach | so not bad ram I guess |
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| 13:37.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | tharkun: whats the best way to find out what eth chipset this thing is using / what modules I need? |
| 13:37.38 | themill | hramrach: you have to work out why apt is creating these bad files -- you cannot blame that on your wifi as the files are verified before creating the caches. |
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| 13:38.02 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: lspci -nn is a good start |
| 13:38.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | i'm guessing if I figure that much out, I could pop the drive back into the system with working ethernet, boot it up, apt-get (module package) and then pop the drive back into the little machine? |
| 13:38.08 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: thx |
| 13:38.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs brb |
| 13:38.12 | tharkun | TehRabbitt-Work: lspci -nn should tell you what is conected to the pci buss |
| 13:38.23 | dvs | tharkun: too late! |
| 13:38.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | what does -nn do? never seen that before |
| 13:38.26 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:38.36 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: gives the PCI IDs |
| 13:38.37 | tharkun | dvs: :) |
| 13:38.58 | cwillu | failing that, start googling part numbers off the chips; you'll eventually find the chip(s) responsible, at which point finding the relevant driver should be straight forward |
| 13:39.04 | cwillu | (yay things that don't use the pci bus) |
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| 13:39.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | Ah! :D |
| 13:39.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | brb |
| 13:39.41 | fas3r | hello |
| 13:39.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | cwillu: thats my next thought... though every chip is under a massive heatsink |
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| 13:40.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | these things were litterly *built* to last |
| 13:40.08 | cwillu | "literally" |
| 13:40.09 | hramrach | themill: wehn I download them again it does not crash |
| 13:40.13 | fas3r | somebody have this already with apache : apachectl: Configuration syntax error, will not run "graceful": Syntax OK ... |
| 13:40.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | cwillu: i can't spell lol |
| 13:40.22 | dvs | spreads some trash |
| 13:40.25 | fas3r | i dont find anything on gogle ... please help me :D |
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| 13:40.58 | hramrach | themill: this happens from time to time on all Debian systems |
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| 13:41.50 | hramrach | so it's generally creating broken files because apt is broken, and apt crashes on reading some files because it's broken, and it's so perfect that you don't even get apt-dbg |
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| 13:42.58 | themill | hramrach: no, it doesn't happen from time to time on all Debian systems.... |
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| 13:43.25 | hramrach | for me it does |
| 13:43.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm |
| 13:43.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | 8086:1229 |
| 13:44.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | "Ethernet Pro 100" |
| 13:44.14 | dvs | it's intel |
| 13:44.19 | themill | ,pccid 8086:1229 |
| 13:44.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: yeah |
| 13:44.24 | themill | ,pciid 8086:1229 |
| 13:44.26 | judd | [8086:1229] is '82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e100' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1229 |
| 13:44.36 | dvs | e100, there you go |
| 13:44.39 | hramrach | themill: ok, so the answer is "apt has no bugs, if you see a bug you are looking wrong' |
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| 13:45.11 | hramrach | now that inspires faith |
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| 13:45.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: correct, e100 so which module is that? google is giving me nothing but bug reports Heh |
| 13:45.45 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: e100 |
| 13:45.53 | themill | hramrach: No, apt has plenty of bugs, and the fact that it crashes with corrupted caches would be one of them. But as I said, the only reasons I have ever seen it corrupt its caches like this have been with faulty memory or failing filesystems. |
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| 13:46.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/there-is-any-intel-pro-100-driver-for-debian-767700/ |
| 13:46.36 | themill | hramrach: moreover, if this were something that happened from time to time on all Debian systems, we would be inundated by this problem here in #debian, and we are not. |
| 13:46.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | .brb gonna try modprob e100 |
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| 13:47.17 | themill | hramrach: there were some strange segfault from apt a few weeks ago, but they were limited to specific versions of apt... information that I have asked for and you have not supplied... |
| 13:48.33 | tremon | also, those crashes never corrupted apt's cache on my debian systems |
| 13:49.05 | tremon | neither did it do that for the people I spoke on this channel about it |
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| 13:49.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: No Dice... :( |
| 13:49.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | tried modprobe e100 and e1000 neither bring eth0 up |
| 13:49.48 | cwillu | TehRabbitt-Work, check dmesg for relevant output |
| 13:49.51 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: Did they return an error? |
| 13:50.08 | TehRabbitt-Work | no errors in dmesg either |
| 13:50.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | i did dmesg | tail and the last thing listed was mounting the partitions |
| 13:50.34 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: ip link |
| 13:50.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: ? |
| 13:50.49 | tremon | doesn't the e100 require firmware? |
| 13:51.24 | themill | it can, depending on the specific model |
| 13:51.26 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: Try "ifconfig" |
| 13:51.27 | themill | !e100 |
| 13:51.28 | dpkg | e100 is the Intel PRO/100 network driver, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of non-<ICH> devices; i.e. PCI IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
| 13:51.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: I did an ifconfig and only lo shows up |
| 13:51.52 | TehRabbitt-Work | themill: onto something there... |
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| 13:52.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | what is a non-ICH device? |
| 13:52.04 | tharkun | TehRabbitt-Work: ip addr list |
| 13:52.13 | tremon | ip link list :) |
| 13:52.14 | cwillu | TehRabbitt-Work, 8086:1229 is in that list |
| 13:52.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | yep |
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| 13:52.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:52.25 | Amicasa | poor Nicki minaj :( i hope its not true :( http://www.globalscandal.com/317 |
| 13:52.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | so install firmware-linux-nonfree and it should work? |
| 13:52.45 | tharkun | yes |
| 13:52.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka same thing with the stupid 100Mbit netgear ones from back int he day Heh |
| 13:52.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | brb gonna try that :D |
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| 13:53.04 | themill | Amicasa: wrong channel |
| 13:53.09 | hramrach | themill: apt 1.6.0_18 |
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| 13:53.33 | themill | hramrach: that's not an apt version... |
| 13:53.46 | themill | (that's a java version...) |
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| 13:54.15 | hramrach | apt 0.8.10.3 for i386 compiled on Apr 15 2011 21:02:20 |
| 13:54.27 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, is nginx any good or should one stick with apache |
| 13:54.55 | nkuttler | PhoenixSTF: both have their uses |
| 13:55.00 | hramrach | PhoenixSTF: it depends on your needs. nginx is different |
| 13:55.30 | tremon | hramrach: there is a newer apt version in squeeze |
| 13:55.43 | PhoenixSTF | how diferent |
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| 13:56.34 | hramrach | tremon: do you have any idea since when? |
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| 13:57.34 | PhoenixSTF | nkuttler, what is the difference? |
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| 13:58.21 | tremon | hramrach: July 2011 |
| 13:58.47 | tremon | hramrach: never mind |
| 13:59.14 | tremon | I was looking at package versions, and you posted the output of the tool (which hasn't changed with that update) |
| 13:59.27 | nkuttler | PhoenixSTF: if you don't have a reason to switch just stick with apache |
| 13:59.43 | hramrach | 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 |
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| 14:00.01 | PhoenixSTF | nkuttler, k thanks |
| 14:00.14 | tremon | hramrach: yeah, that's the most recent |
| 14:00.30 | hramrach | PhoenixSTF: read the nginx web page, they are most competent to explain the differences :p |
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| 14:01.06 | dkr | hramrach: actually I thought that, too. but I can't find anywhere where they do explain. I thought it would be a FAQ |
| 14:03.33 | hramrach | dkr: at the very least you can read the feature description which was very different last time I looked |
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| 14:04.42 | dkr | http://wiki.nginx.org/WhyUseIt has some random opinions on nginx vs apache |
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| 14:05.33 | hramrach | to me it looks like apache is a web server with all but kitchensink while nginx is more like a web server framework whic does not do much unless you add some third party module which implements the actual functionality |
| 14:05.44 | PhoenixSTF | nginx is more of a proxy right |
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| 14:06.46 | bardzusny | hramrach: how nginx is incomplete exactly? |
| 14:07.51 | hramrach | bardzusny: it's not that it's incomplete. It just does not include superfluous parts |
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| 14:08.15 | hramrach | meaning that you can do less with it until you get teh parts elsewhere |
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| 14:09.12 | bardzusny | I haven't dvelved into advanced features enough to disprove that, so maybe that's right |
| 14:09.37 | saintwolf | Hey peeps. Anyone know why my motd would show twice when I login through SSH? |
| 14:10.52 | tremon | saintwolf: duplicate pam session module? |
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| 14:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | Probably because you're displaying both motd and issue via sshd_config |
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| 14:11.22 | dkr | saintwolf: perhaps sshd/login is displaying it and also your shell is displaying it |
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| 14:14.05 | youngin | Hey! What's wrong with "tar cvzAf etc_20120621.tgz etc"? Getting: tar: You may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux' or `--test-label' option |
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| 14:14.39 | tremon | youngin: you may not specify more than one `-Acdtrux |
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| 14:15.28 | dkr | more specifically, you can't -A(ppend) at the same time you -c(reate) |
| 14:15.35 | youngin | i see i see |
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| 14:17.59 | saintwolf | dkr: Had PrintMotd set to yes. Works properly now :) |
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| 14:40.17 | jpinx | I am trying to repartition a vm to allow upgrade fromsqueeze to wheezy and after two failures I need to find another way of allowing for the big hdd space requirements of wheezy. Is there a clever way of getting /var and /usr to share a single extra partition that I can create? |
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| 14:42.42 | tremon | jpinx: pvcreate /dev/new_partition, vgcreate system, lvcreate -n var system, lvcreate -n usr system |
| 14:42.56 | mynameisdeleted | so... dd if=/dev/null bs=1024000 seek=20480 of=disk.img |
| 14:43.03 | mynameisdeleted | that makes a 20GB image of disk.img |
| 14:43.20 | mynameisdeleted | md0_raid5 seems to be taking 50% cpu on an i7 clocked at 3 ghz |
| 14:43.38 | mynameisdeleted | last write was 465MB/s .... is that about right or is my system not optimized right? |
| 14:43.49 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx: why not just make them part of the main / partition? Why chop it up and cause problems? |
| 14:44.09 | tremon | mynameisdeleted: are you missing a count=1 somehwere? |
| 14:44.12 | mynameisdeleted | if 465MB/s is 50% cpu does that mean that if I expand more drive I have a limit of 900MB/s before my 1 thread maxes out? |
| 14:44.18 | tremon | s/hw/wh/ |
| 14:44.27 | jpinx | jhutchins_lt: it's a vm which I have to resize and then partition the extra freespace manually |
| 14:44.32 | mynameisdeleted | oh yes.. 403GB copied |
| 14:44.41 | mynameisdeleted | 437MB/s |
| 14:44.54 | jpinx | tremon: dunno what that is - but I'll try it - thanks |
| 14:45.04 | tremon | jpinx: research lvm |
| 14:45.15 | mynameisdeleted | ahh... this one wrote at 943MB/s |
| 14:45.24 | mynameisdeleted | much bbetter if you let hte raid sync afterwards |
| 14:45.29 | mynameisdeleted | and do smaller writes |
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| 14:46.17 | mynameisdeleted | instand image creates |
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| 14:50.02 | PhoenixSTF | I am having issues with pureFTP, it only uploads 81920 bytes at a time |
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| 14:57.06 | tharkun | Shojo: The nick prunning happened last Saturday no need to change back and Forward |
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| 14:57.18 | Shojo | oh srry |
| 14:57.22 | Shojo | wont happen again |
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| 15:07.22 | youngin | Why does "tar cvzf tmp_20120621.tgz tmp && tar cvzf _redeployment_20120621.tgz _redeployment" produce "tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors" after the first file has been compressed? |
| 15:07.47 | youngin | And why won't it show me what the error is? |
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| 15:10.21 | youngin | brb |
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| 15:29.54 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.55 | tharkun | Gentlemen what would be a nice VoIP program that is crossplatform and that works on the ipad or the google OS? |
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| 15:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: A fantasy. |
| 15:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: possibly google voice if it works for you. |
| 15:35.29 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: thanks. I'll research it. |
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| 15:35.57 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: Part of the family is Apple fan the other part is Google fan, ;P |
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| 15:36.19 | Diopter | tharkun: Skype works on both desktop and embedded devices. It's probably the only "universal" VoIP-like program there is |
| 15:36.27 | Diopter | So unless you really meant a SIP client or similar... |
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| 15:39.00 | PhoenixSTF | I am having a issue with gnutls and ftp it seems to drop transfer and only does, 81920 bytes in 21 seconds |
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| 15:42.11 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: At this time, Google Voice is available in the U.S. and Canada only. |
| 15:42.27 | tharkun | Diopter: thanks |
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| 15:49.57 | WinstonSmith | yeah skype it a evil binary blob but mostly just works(tm) |
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| 15:55.55 | joelio | Anybody know if DKMS can support precompiled modules (i.e. ones shipped from the vendor already compiled due to binary blobs protecting IP). |
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| 15:56.44 | sney | well, dkms is often used for modules that involve binary blobs - for instance, proprietary video drivers - but if they're already compiled then what do you need dkms for? |
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| 15:56.57 | JJCale | hi all |
| 15:57.37 | sney | hi |
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| 15:59.18 | tremon | I'm looking for a simple tool that can re-sparse a file in-place. I know cp and tar can do that, but for that I would have to make a temporary copy in another place. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:59.53 | joelio | sney: There's no dpkg shipped, just some clunky Makefiles that copy the .ko in /lib/modules/.. as well as some headers and .so's into another dir. Appreciate could do this as a vanilla .deb, just seems dkms would be a better tact (and use that to build .debs) |
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| 16:01.20 | sney | the advantage of dkms is that it rebuilds the modules when you install a new kernel (with headers). since your module is already built, this doesn't apply and you should just make a package |
| 16:02.13 | joelio | sney: Yes, I see your point |
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| 16:23.59 | engla | tremon: what's wrong with making a temporary duplicate? |
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| 16:27.19 | ksk | hi |
| 16:27.40 | _stefanos_ | is there a special reason why emesene conflicts with linkchecker (wheezy)? |
| 16:27.44 | ksk | can i get a hash of "/usr/bin/sudo" somewhere securly? (not the one on my system but from the repos) |
| 16:28.46 | petemc | ksk: /var/lib/dpkg/info/sudo.md5sums |
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| 16:29.26 | petemc | ksk: not sure where you get it non locally |
| 16:29.43 | ksk | petemc: yea, because ur suggestion would be on my system, too |
| 16:29.58 | ksk | i could debootstrap on another computer, but... |
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| 16:30.27 | tremon | engla: space usage and time. Copying a 100GB image to and fro if only 20GB is used isn't really fun. Also, I'm doing this because I'm running short on diskspace so using more isn't really an option |
| 16:30.57 | ksk | petemc: mhm, guess i download it with aptitude and extract the .deb on another system |
| 16:30.59 | joelio | tremon: would not using streaming tar compress out the zeros? |
| 16:31.00 | ksk | thanks |
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| 16:32.14 | tremon | joelio: I considered that, but streaming tar makes a copy (one open handle for the replaced file, one for the newly created sparse file). I need a program to do it with only one file handle, but maybe that's just not possible |
| 16:32.31 | tremon | I'm thinking of using a usb disk as temporary storage |
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| 16:33.17 | Guest17926 | !ciao |
| 16:33.17 | dpkg | hmm... ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
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| 16:33.26 | dpkg | guest17926: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:33.31 | tremon | that would solve the immediate issue, no matter what tool I use |
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| 16:40.15 | TTT_ | hello everybody! which package i'm suppose to install to have linux headers availble |
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| 16:41.01 | tremon | TTT_: usually, linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:41.31 | TTT_ | thanks let me check |
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| 16:42.36 | joelio | tremon: is this a vm image perchance? You know there's tools to compress if so? |
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| 16:44.16 | tremon | yeah, most are kvm qcow images |
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| 16:45.35 | tremon | most are test installations, not terribly important but not discardable (yet) either. Some are already offline so I may just zip them up and move them off |
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| 16:48.46 | tremon | anyways, when the first image has completed its journey across the usb cable, I might be able to re-sparse the rest with a tar stream |
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| 16:49.20 | TTT_ | i know is obvious for most of you ... but where is my problem ... km_api.c:22:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:49.37 | Diopter | TTT_: Have you installed the linux-headers? |
| 16:49.45 | TTT_ | I install headers already |
| 16:50.42 | karlpinc | tremon: If you're going to use tar, you may as well just use gzip -c | gunzip -c. |
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| 16:51.58 | TTT_ | headers are here .. the right ones |
| 16:52.07 | tremon | nah, I like my cpu cycles :) |
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| 17:00.05 | karlpinc | tremon: -1 then |
| 17:00.15 | tremon | :) |
| 17:00.53 | tremon | thanks for the suggestions, immediate problem has been solved. Now, to look for bigger disks... |
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| 17:48.30 | tidux | I just installed Wheezy and my wifi doesn't work. It's an Intel PRO 4695 (iwlagn module), and I have already installed the firmware package (firmware-linux-iwlwifi) |
| 17:48.38 | tidux | I've run "modprobe iwlagn" |
| 17:48.46 | tidux | but ifconfig -a still only shows lo and eth0 |
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| 17:50.07 | ompaul | tidux: is there a hardware switch |
| 17:50.18 | ompaul | wonders how I could know that |
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| 17:50.29 | tidux | there is, and it's in the correct position |
| 17:50.32 | ompaul | wonders why it is hard wired in my head |
| 17:50.48 | tidux | this isn't the first time I've installed Debian on this hardware, but it's the first time wifi hasn't worked |
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| 17:50.55 | tidux | so I figure it's something I did |
| 17:51.07 | ompaul | so you feel that the hardware works :) |
| 17:51.22 | asmith | tidux: ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 17:51.55 | ompaul | tidux: just check with dpkg wifi there are about four steps and the modprobe shouldn't have to be in there |
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| 17:52.08 | tidux | !dpkg wifi |
| 17:52.08 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 17:52.20 | tidux | !dpkg intel |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN adapters, ask me about <iwlwifi>, <ipw2200>, <ipw2100>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <isci>, <speedstep>. |
| 17:52.26 | tidux | !dpkg iwlwifi |
| 17:52.26 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 17:52.46 | tremon | tidux: you do know that you can have private conversations with dpkg, right? |
| 17:52.58 | ompaul | tidux: /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:53.05 | tidux | derp |
| 17:53.10 | tremon | :) |
| 17:53.12 | ompaul | too much reddit |
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| 17:53.43 | tidux | sorry for spamming the channel |
| 17:53.46 | tidux | I forgot about /msg |
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| 17:54.53 | tremon | tidux: does dmesg tell you anything interesting? |
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| 17:55.36 | tidux | oh that's just awful |
| 17:55.54 | tidux | apparently the kernel disabled the PCI interrupt my wifi sits on since it couldn't find firmware at boot time |
| 17:56.06 | tidux | is there a command to undo that or do I need to reboot? |
| 17:56.18 | ompaul | simple reboot should sort it |
| 17:56.23 | tidux | alright |
| 17:56.25 | tidux | thanks |
| 17:56.33 | ompaul | there has to be another way |
| 17:56.35 | ompaul | but |
| 17:57.08 | tremon | reboot is probably faster than going to look for the right way |
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| 18:05.35 | tremon | for posterity's sake, you can re-enable a masked interrupt by attaching a new device. In this case, modprobe -r followed by modprobe might have been enough |
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| 18:06.06 | ompaul | ok so remove and then install |
| 18:06.09 | tidux | tremon: rebooting worked |
| 18:06.13 | tidux | I'm on wifi now |
| 18:06.15 | tidux | thanks |
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| 18:07.13 | tremon | like I said, rebooting was faster :) |
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| 18:16.44 | sweb | how can i add /usr/local/bin to path ? using edit /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 18:16.56 | Waster_ | hey all, I installed clean Debian Squeeze and created ext4 partition |
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| 18:17.13 | Waster_ | but it is mounted with data=ordered by default |
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| 18:17.56 | Waster_ | I see in http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze that default mode is writeback for ext4 in squeeze |
| 18:19.24 | Waster_ | the same also I see that rootflags=data=writeback is default kernel option fo squeeze in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html |
| 18:19.45 | Waster_ | why data=ordered is default mount option still then? |
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| 18:20.56 | Waster_ | and I don't see any rootflags in grub configuration in squeeze |
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| 18:23.19 | gotmynick | as far as I can read the wiki, it says ext4; (new thing1) defaults for ext3 changing to data=writeback, relatime (new thing 2) |
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| 18:23.41 | gotmynick | and the guide reference does not mention ext4 in such paragraph |
| 18:23.52 | gotmynick | so... maybe it's default... for ext3? |
| 18:24.12 | gotmynick | (y mark it as a question, because I'm not sure) |
| 18:24.18 | gotmynick | s/y/I/ |
| 18:25.25 | gotmynick | ^^ Waster_ |
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| 18:31.08 | gotmynick | also the reference says "You need to provide kernel boot parameter ... to deploy a non-default journaling mode for the root filesystem." |
| 18:31.28 | gotmynick | so maybe logical that you don't see anything related in the grub configuration |
| 18:31.34 | gotmynick | by default |
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| 18:36.24 | asus1025c | has anyone here who owns an atom n2800 (or n2600) based netbook managed to get its hdmi port working *without* using the cedarview repo??? that is using linux 3.4.X and perhaps a recent xorg |
| 18:36.32 | asus1025c | ? |
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| 18:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | asus1025c: Sorry, we don't get a lot of atom users in here. There have got to be forums though. |
| 18:53.44 | asus1025c | ok thanks |
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| 18:55.53 | Waster_ | gotmynick: but I see in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html |
| 18:56.17 | Waster_ | You need to provide kernel boot parameter (see Section 3.3, Stage 2: the boot loader), e.g. "rootflags=data=journal" to deploy a non-default journaling mode for the root filesystem. For lenny, the default jounaling mode is "rootflags=data=ordered". For squeeze, it is "rootflags=data=writeback". |
| 18:56.55 | gotmynick | and ... ? |
| 18:58.26 | Waster_ | For lenny, the default jounaling mode is "rootflags=data=ordered". For squeeze, it is "rootflags=data=writeback". |
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| 18:58.46 | gotmynick | but maybe it talks only about the default filesystem? (ext3) |
| 18:58.56 | Waster_ | ah, you think it is for ext3? |
| 18:58.58 | Waster_ | may be |
| 18:59.20 | gotmynick | I've no squeeze+ext3 machines around, so I can't confirm |
| 19:00.16 | gotmynick | of course, if ext3 on squeeze still shows mount in ordered mode, maybe you've find a installer or a documentation bug |
| 19:00.26 | gotmynick | or maybe the documentation maybe improved |
| 19:00.28 | Waster_ | checked squeeze with wxt3 |
| 19:00.31 | Waster_ | /dev/disk/by-uuid/fa802178-9385-436e-9b2d-1f41666c7411 / ext3 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered |
| 19:00.37 | gotmynick | eh |
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| 19:00.52 | engla | check if you have CONFIG_EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED=y |
| 19:01.25 | engla | that's from squeeze kernel |
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| 19:02.41 | Waster_ | yes, I see, then it seems to be documentation and installer discrepancy |
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| 19:03.30 | gotmynick | did you see what engla said ? |
| 19:03.57 | gotmynick | grep EXT3_DEF /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:07.34 | Waster_ | yes, I checked it, CONFIG_EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED=y in squeeze |
| 19:07.38 | Waster_ | on my server |
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| 19:09.00 | gotmynick | well, then... if the kernel is ok, the only thing could be the initrd scripts mounting / |
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| 19:09.14 | gotmynick | or simply a documentation discrepancy |
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| 19:17.57 | Waster_ | later, in docs: "For lenny, the default jounaling mode is "rootflags=data=ordered". For squeeze, it is "rootflags=data=writeback"." |
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| 19:22.59 | gotmynick | my initrd has some ROOTFLAGS variable in the scripts, but nothing about ordered/writeback at anyplace |
| 19:23.06 | asmith | !seen pascik |
| 19:23.06 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'pascik', asmith |
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| 19:23.41 | gotmynick | so it seems it should be done by the kernel... I don't have time to research more now |
| 19:23.44 | Waster_ | mine too...8) |
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| 19:34.28 | lapsusbrutus | is there something like cheese but without gnome? |
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| 19:35.41 | lapsusbrutus | want a webcam program like cheese, but do not want its dependencies. possible? |
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| 19:36.55 | gotmynick | Waster_, still here ? |
| 19:37.03 | Waster_ | yep |
| 19:37.06 | gotmynick | lapsusbrutus, are ou interested in the "effects" ? |
| 19:37.17 | gotmynick | Waster_, then if the kernel defaults to ordered... |
| 19:37.24 | gotmynick | and the scripts does nothing about... |
| 19:37.36 | gotmynick | it seems a documentation failure |
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| 19:37.50 | gotmynick | you may just add the boot option, and maybe report a bug to the reference |
| 19:37.54 | Waster_ | yep, I think too |
| 19:38.00 | Waster_ | and will report a bug |
| 19:38.05 | Waster_ | thanks for the explanations |
| 19:38.26 | jpinx | tremon: lvm appears to want me to split the freespace into separate logical volumes of a fixed size. I fail to see the advantage - or am I missing something? |
| 19:38.31 | Waster_ | can I just add data=writeback in fstab? |
| 19:38.37 | jelly-home | Waster_: yes |
| 19:38.49 | Waster_ | thanks |
| 19:39.01 | jelly-home | Waster_: well. Unsure about the root fs. |
| 19:39.11 | Waster_ | it is /home |
| 19:39.17 | jelly-home | then yes. |
| 19:39.18 | Waster_ | for maildirs |
| 19:39.18 | tremon | jpinx: that's true, but lvm volumes support online resizing and expansion |
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| 19:40.04 | jelly-home | jpinx: snapshots and backup consistency are an advantage |
| 19:40.29 | Waster_ | btw, it seems that deadline scheduler is more better than default cfq for maildirs or other bunch of not bif files |
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| 19:40.41 | tremon | jpinx: if you insist on two disparate directory trees in the same volume, I'm going to suggest using bind mounts |
| 19:40.43 | jpinx | tremon: will lvm allow me to alter the size of the individual logical partitions after they are mounted and in-ise? |
| 19:40.53 | jelly-home | jpinx: being able to move filesystems to other disks online can be an advantage as well (you can do nearly-online migrations to newer/bigger disks) |
| 19:41.06 | lapsusbrutus | gotmynick: mostly the effects yes :) |
| 19:41.40 | jpinx | jelly-home: yes - I can see that but it is not something that applies to my current problem |
| 19:42.10 | thewanderer1 | whispers faintly: ZFS, zeeeeeffffeeees |
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| 19:42.26 | gotmynick | lapsusbrutus, then I don't know sorry :) haven't try all available packages for v4l2... just know that one with "effects" |
| 19:42.28 | tremon | eyes the room warily |
| 19:42.29 | jpinx | tremon: I don't insist - I am forced due to the constraints of working in a vm |
| 19:42.50 | thewanderer1 | hint: the 'Z' is not for 'Zombie' :) |
| 19:42.56 | jpinx | thewanderer1: whisper a bit louder in my ear ;) |
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| 19:43.07 | thewanderer1 | (and yes, it works with 3.2.0 on Debian pretty nice - 3.3 is a bit unstable, tho) |
| 19:43.15 | tremon | jpinx: you can later add another disk, add it two the same volume group and expand your volumes onto the second disk |
| 19:43.48 | jelly-home | jpinx: just make a big enough VM with a sparse image? |
| 19:44.06 | tremon | jpinx: also if your filesystem supports online resize, you can do it without downtime |
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| 19:44.41 | jpinx | I admit to being pig-headed here - the easiest solution is to start again with a new vm and install wheezy from scratch |
| 19:45.06 | tremon | ah, yes starting over is always easiest if you don't have to care about uptime or data |
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| 19:45.42 | jpinx | tremon: this is a vm I use for "experimenting" and "learning" |
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| 19:45.55 | Diopter | tremon: You never have to care about uptime or data. What part of "cloud" do you not understand? |
| 19:46.02 | jpinx | but it's actually wasting a lot of time and giving me a sore head ;) |
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| 19:47.28 | tremon | jpinx: also, starting over will only teach you the least valuable of all skills: repetition ;) |
| 19:47.37 | jpinx | jelly-home: I'm being economical on hdd space, so the initial squeeze vm with a little swap fits into a 1.3Gb vm |
| 19:48.00 | jpinx | tremon: yes . hence my questions here ;) |
| 19:48.02 | tremon | Diopter: some people in this channel are actually tasked with keeping that dream alive ;) |
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| 19:48.56 | Pendrag0n | When I run top, my processes don't show CPU usage in the %CPU column, it does show in the header, but individually, no CPU usage shows |
| 19:49.02 | tremon | jpinx: with that little space, I'd not have bothered with partitions at all, just use one big partition |
| 19:49.10 | Pendrag0n | thus if I sort by CPU usage, my list doesn't move, they all say 0.0% |
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| 19:49.34 | Pendrag0n | oddly on another server, where it is workign right, it doesn't show a 0.0% for zeros, it just shows 1 single 0 |
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| 19:49.35 | Pendrag0n | "0" |
| 19:49.47 | Pendrag0n | but it shows 12 for process using 12% cpu |
| 19:49.55 | tremon | Pendrag0n: what header? the top line shows system load, which is a combination of cpu and i/o |
| 19:50.25 | Pendrag0n | tremon: true, but under the first 5 lines, there is then a row of column titles, then all rows after that are processes listed |
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| 19:50.43 | Pendrag0n | the CPU usage column is like, dead or something, on a server of mine |
| 19:50.47 | jpinx | tremon: I was playing with a seperate /home and mounting shared dirs from the host in /home -- but that is not really necessary |
| 19:50.57 | Pendrag0n | like the usage isn't registering for some reason on a per process bases |
| 19:51.16 | Pendrag0n | I MAY NOT restart the server, I need to know how to fix this without restarting |
| 19:51.29 | Pendrag0n | however, I really have NO clue what the issue is |
| 19:52.34 | fbe | ok, problem seems to be a redirect to http :S |
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| 19:54.03 | Pendrag0n | tremon: I am uploading screen shots |
| 19:54.23 | jpinx | tremon: the concept was to enlarge the vm only as I needed the space to do upgrades or add applications |
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| 19:55.19 | jpinx | but the enlarging causes it's own problems of needed this partition manipulation - which is not very flexible |
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| 19:56.17 | tremon | jpinx: if you're going to do a lot of resizing, I'd suggest you start over and put your / filesystem in a volume group |
| 19:56.41 | Pendrag0n | tremon: http://www.pytis.com/jlee/CPU_Working_on_DEV.png VS http://www.pytis.com/jlee/CPU_broken_on_LIVE.png Please compare the two CPU columns, on my live server it doesn't show 0, it shows 0.0 and it has for everything, all day, the CPU usage isn't registering |
| 19:56.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey any reason why DHCPD refuses to listen on any interface other than eth1? i've specified eth3 and eth4 in the config but it's just not working :-\ |
| 19:56.52 | jpinx | tremon: yes - I'm thinking that too - it'll be easier to manipulate as the vm grows |
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| 19:58.07 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: do you have a subnet declaration that matches the interface's network address? |
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| 19:59.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: I beleive so :\ 172.16.50.2-254 and the IP for eth3 is 172.16.50.1 |
| 19:59.47 | Pendrag0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.05 | Pendrag0n | my butt's in a sling on this one |
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| 20:01.28 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: Quit top, mv .toprc > .toprcbak, run top again. Just to rule out process filtering options |
| 20:02.18 | Pendrag0n | Diopter, no .toprc exists |
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| 20:03.02 | tremon | Pendrag0n: I would be more worried about your "working" machine, as the cpu is 4% overtaxed |
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| 20:03.17 | Pendrag0n | which one tremon? |
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| 20:03.32 | Pendrag0n | I don't know how tor ead that header stuff too well. |
| 20:03.33 | Christian87 | good evening |
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| 20:04.14 | Pendrag0n | good evening Christina87, my butts in a sling with my job on this one, so I need to figure this out fast, sorry if I talk over you |
| 20:04.19 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: What does "ps -eo pid,comm,pcpu" give you in the third column? Anything but 0.0? |
| 20:04.38 | Christian87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.55 | tremon | gdm-binary using 5% cpu with the cpu 99% idle, that would worry me. The other system appears to be keeping itself busy with interrupts |
| 20:04.56 | Pendrag0n | Diopter on live or dev? |
| 20:05.21 | Pendrag0n | Diopter, 0.0 for everything |
| 20:05.22 | Pendrag0n | on live |
| 20:05.25 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: The one that you think is only showing 0.0% for every process. |
| 20:05.35 | Diopter | Exciting. What kernel/distro is it? |
| 20:05.45 | Pendrag0n | actually fedora |
| 20:05.51 | Pendrag0n | but they aren't answering in that room too well |
| 20:06.06 | Pendrag0n | and this is really important |
| 20:06.14 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: You've said that a few dozen times. |
| 20:06.19 | tremon | Pendrag0n: you still haven't explained the problem |
| 20:06.21 | Pendrag0n | sorry |
| 20:06.54 | Pendrag0n | tremon: there should be SOME cpu usage in that column, but there isn't, so I can't sort by CPU usage cause it isn't registering on a per process level |
| 20:07.19 | Diopter | tremon: My guess is they're relying on top to monitor system load per-process on their live system, and it's not showing usage. |
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| 20:07.44 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: It's possible you have a /proc filesystem issue, or ran into a kernel bug. |
| 20:07.48 | Pendrag0n | long story short I need to keep top open on a monitor and watch for spikes in CPU usage to see if one of three particular programs/deamons/processes are BANGING the CPU, but sorting by CPU isn't working cause CPU usage isn't being reported for some reason |
| 20:08.18 | tremon | If you're relying on the system itself for performance monitoring of a live system, you're not going to get very far, in an enterprisey-sense |
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| 20:09.07 | tremon | Pendrag0n: have you tried actually taxing the system (for example, by letting bash count to 100k) and seeing if it registers? |
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| 20:09.31 | webad_13 | does anyone here have knowledge of support of bloomberg sapi in debian. Found a page that says RH and SUSE are supported (archi. 686). Not able to download the actuall install file to have a look at what they provide - does anyone know if they provide .deb |
| 20:09.57 | Pendrag0n | yes |
| 20:10.17 | sweb | how can i update my mime magic database ? |
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| 20:15.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | what is the default location for the tftp boot directory on atftpd? |
| 20:16.24 | Pendrag0n | Diopter, tremon, we were having severe issues with postgres bashing the CPU, I FINALLY talked the boss into changing the config for postgres and the next time the server runs slowly, I am suppose to see tell him what's at the top of the list, using the most CPU |
| 20:16.42 | Pendrag0n | but I can't, cause it isn't sorting by CPU, cuase it isn't registering for any processes, they all report 0.0, even when taxed |
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| 20:17.33 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: How long has this live box been up for? Are you able to consider rebooting it? It sounds like you've got an issue with /proc or maybe you kernel oops'd somewhere and it's limping along |
| 20:19.06 | Pendrag0n | 240 days, but I can't convince him of a reboot |
| 20:19.18 | tremon | is this fedora or rhel? with selinux you're not allowed to view processed you don't own. Are you running top as root? |
| 20:19.35 | tremon | nm, I can see root processes |
| 20:19.46 | Diopter | tremon: Good thinking though, and they said it was Fedora. |
| 20:20.04 | Diopter | Still, might be Some variety of privilege issue with not being able to see CPU share |
| 20:20.06 | tremon | as a matter of fact, I see only root processes |
| 20:20.18 | Diopter | Right. Just noticing that |
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| 20:20.32 | Pendrag0n | I can run it as root |
| 20:20.36 | Pendrag0n | and still the same issue |
| 20:21.00 | tremon | Pendrag0n: what's the output of id -Z (both as root and your user)? |
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| 20:21.52 | MystKid | hello, i have to install debian on my old pc to use it as a Fileserver. waht cd you suggest I grab? |
| 20:22.02 | MystKid | is there any wheezy isos anywhere? |
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| 20:22.35 | Pendrag0n | tremon, that command only works on the Dev machine, which works fine |
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| 20:23.15 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: Is your live machine not the same distro? Or some ancient version of Fedora that doesn't have SELinux... maybe |
| 20:23.25 | tremon | Pendrag0n: I asked about the output of the command, not how it's feeling |
| 20:23.28 | MystKid | anyone can suggest |
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| 20:23.42 | abrotman | MystKid: the netinst if it can boot from CD |
| 20:23.59 | abrotman | MystKid: you wouldn't want to use wheezy on a fileserver |
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| 20:24.30 | Pendrag0n | okay, so proc is jacked up, CPU usaage isn't can't be shown on a per process level, anyway to fix without a reboot? |
| 20:24.34 | MystKid | abrotman-> can you link me to the 32 iso |
| 20:24.38 | MystKid | bit |
| 20:25.03 | MystKid | i wotn be using X on it |
| 20:25.12 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: By answering our questions. We're trying to troubleshoot, but we need to understand why your live machine doesn't seem to have SELinux while your dev machine does, when you claim both are Fedora |
| 20:25.37 | abrotman | MystKid: debian.org has tons of links |
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| 20:26.31 | MystKid | abrotman-> yeah im not sure what i wqant to grab tho |
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| 20:27.08 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: Maybe you should pastebin "dmesg | tail -50" |
| 20:27.17 | MystKid | abrotman-> do i need a monitor for the install? |
| 20:27.55 | MystKid | http://debian.fastbull.org/debian-cd/current/i386/ |
| 20:27.58 | MystKid | liek what are all those |
| 20:28.01 | MystKid | i dont get it |
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| 20:28.20 | MystKid | full of jigdo files |
| 20:28.21 | MystKid | wtf |
| 20:28.32 | MystKid | why cant I find a normal iso i can put on a usb stick |
| 20:28.36 | xreal | Is there a tool to build all missing depedencies from Testing or Unstable automatically? |
| 20:29.01 | Pendrag0n | screw it, I don't get paid enough to fight to fix something he won't upgrade, thanks anyways gusy, but I can't make my boss do something, so my hands are tied. |
| 20:29.01 | Pendrag0n | ::Knows which battles to fight:: |
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| 20:29.28 | Diopter | Pendrag0n: Good luck, have fun. |
| 20:29.44 | MystKid | abrotman-> i have been searching the past 20 minutes for a small usb iso but i cant find them |
| 20:30.00 | MystKid | i see boot.img vmlinuz and stuff |
| 20:30.02 | MystKid | no iso |
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| 20:31.22 | Diopter | MystKid: You're looking for a wheezy netinstall? |
| 20:31.31 | MystKid | nah |
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| 20:31.45 | MystKid | squeeze |
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| 20:31.52 | Diopter | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:31.53 | MystKid | i will eventually upgrade |
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| 20:32.44 | Diopter | Official netinst images for the "stable" release, right column. |
| 20:32.53 | rbanffy | Hi folks. After some research, I arrived at using "dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ FS=" "; print $1 }'" to list all installed packages on my machine in order to easily replicate it on another box. But this list includes packages that are just dependencies of other packages (and may not be dependencies in the future). Is there an easy way to remove packages that are dependencies of packages already on the list? |
| 20:33.15 | MystKid | when is wheezy coming out ? |
| 20:33.38 | ompaul | MystKid: a period of time after it freezes |
| 20:33.48 | MystKid | huhu |
| 20:33.55 | MystKid | what? |
| 20:34.20 | ompaul | rbanffy: have a look at rdepends and depends from apt-get and patch that one liner a bit |
| 20:35.19 | ompaul | MystKid: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 20:36.04 | rbanffy | ompaul, I suppose the answer is "no, there is no easy way" ;-) |
| 20:36.05 | ompaul | MystKid: the correct answer is "when it's ready" but maybe if you read that page you get some ideas about it |
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| 20:36.25 | ompaul | rbanffy: some clever regex with rdpends may be of use to you |
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| 20:37.36 | rbanffy | ompaul, listing then the packages that have no rdepends would probably do the trick |
| 20:37.37 | ompaul | rbanffy: the thing is if you do that with testing you can't ever be right, but if you do it with stable you can look at taskselect |
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| 20:38.14 | ompaul | rbanffy: then you might look at the log files for apt (/var/logs) and see what changes were done post install |
| 20:38.21 | f8l | rbanffy: Read about searching in aptitude. |
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| 20:38.37 | f8l | rbanffy: You can list packages that are manually installed. |
| 20:38.41 | rbanffy | How does the autoremove thing works? |
| 20:38.59 | ompaul | rbanffy: but this is kind of crazy because if you fear changes version to version what about things like some of the gnome stack that changes its name every other release of gnome |
| 20:39.15 | ompaul | orphaned packages |
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| 20:40.16 | xreal | Is there a tool to build all missing depedencies from Testing or Unstable automatically? |
| 20:41.07 | MystKid | ompaul-> the netinstall iso has a gui to isntall or is cli baseD? |
| 20:41.40 | ompaul | MystKid: I only ever use cli it might have one - better off to ask the channel |
| 20:42.00 | MystKid | what do you mean? |
| 20:42.02 | rbanffy | ompaul, if, say, I install a package P that depends on libP, I only need the functions of P. If it later starts to depend on libP2, I don't want to install libP on other newer machines |
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| 20:42.33 | ompaul | rbanffy: given how stable works that is HIGHLY unlikely |
| 20:42.39 | f8l | rbanffy: Try „aptitude search '~i!~M' ” |
| 20:42.46 | MystKid | ompaul-> by saying "I only ever use cli " you mean that you only use cli or waht? |
| 20:43.11 | ompaul | MystKid: ask the channel, I'm not an expert in most things, I know it has cli it is the only way I install |
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| 20:45.06 | MystKid | ompaul-> what is it ? a ncurses installer? |
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| 20:45.49 | ompaul | MystKid: yes |
| 20:46.06 | rbanffy | f8l, it's odd. aptitude search claims I manually installed, among others, " libnautilus-extension1a" |
| 20:46.13 | ompaul | MystKid: best done with a wired connection in place |
| 20:46.21 | rbanffy | I'm not sure the "A" flag means what I think it means. |
| 20:47.06 | f8l | rbanffy: Manually installed doesn't mean that you did install it. |
| 20:47.38 | f8l | rbanffy: A flag means: „can be safely removed if no installed packages depend on it”. |
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| 20:48.01 | rbanffy | f8l ah... |
| 20:48.25 | f8l | rbanffy: You can „apt-mark auto …” the packages you want to flag with A. |
| 20:48.26 | As_arsenic | ... |
| 20:48.45 | rbanffy | f8l I don't think I would like to do that. |
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| 20:49.08 | rbanffy | So, there is no flag that tells "this package was installed as a dependency of another one" |
| 20:49.36 | f8l | rbanffy: This is more or less what A flag can indicate. |
| 20:49.53 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey, any reason why my pxelinux.0 file isn't loading up over PXE? in the syslog it shows that it is serving the file, and on the system i'm trying to boot PXE on, it grabs an IP successfully and then just Hangs.... |
| 20:49.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | any ideas? |
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| 20:50.27 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: Anything on the console? |
| 20:50.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: nope, nothing |
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| 20:50.56 | dvs | rbanffy: The {a} indicator in aptitude but I'm not sure how that shows up otherwise |
| 20:51.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | ah i think i might know |
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| 20:51.24 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: 32 vs 64 bit? |
| 20:51.34 | dvs | TehRabbitt-Work: The e100 network card works now? |
| 20:51.37 | f8l | rbanffy: A package may be A-unflagged when holding packages during upgrades for example. This is where not A-flagged libnautilus-extension1a may come from. |
| 20:51.38 | rbanffy | f8l, but if "A" means it's a dependency of something else that was installed, then why is libnautilus-extension1a installed? |
| 20:51.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: hosts.allow |
| 20:51.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | dvs: Yup! |
| 20:51.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | thx again ;D |
| 20:51.51 | dvs | np |
| 20:51.52 | rbanffy | f8l, at some level, gnome-desktop depends on it. |
| 20:51.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | in.tftpd: 172.16. |
| 20:52.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | Look correct now? |
| 20:52.03 | f8l | rbanffy: Also IIRC all packages are marked manually installed during system installation. |
| 20:52.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | it can figure out that its /16 right? |
| 20:52.21 | rbanffy | f8l, I hate system installation ;-) |
| 20:52.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | or this better: in.tftpd: 172.16.0.0/16 |
| 20:52.35 | f8l | rbanffy: It's because you may want to keep a package that is a dependency. |
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| 20:52.56 | rbanffy | Well... I was hoping I wouldn't need to write a real program ;-) |
| 20:53.15 | jelly-home | TehRabbitt-Work: the latter, cidr format, used to be not supported at all |
| 20:54.02 | tremon | hmm... where do I go to rant about a certain piece of hardware? |
| 20:55.03 | f8l | rbanffy: For example you have hello package and hello-plugins package. The later dependent on the former. You want to uninstall plugins and… you get rid of hello, because it's A flagged. If you want to keep it after removing plugins, you have to A-unflag it first. In that state none of mentioned packets have an A flag, even though one is a dependency of the other. |
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| 20:57.33 | rbanffy | f8l, what I want is more or less the opposite. I want an easy way to quickly replicate a package set from one machine to another |
| 20:58.14 | rbanffy | f8l, if I just list all installed packages, I'll end up with a lot of entries that are dependencies that would be installed anyway |
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| 20:58.39 | rbanffy | f8l, or that shouldn't be installed in the future if some dependency changes |
| 20:59.10 | f8l | rbanffy: So you want a minimal set of packages whose dependencies will pull all currently installed packages? |
| 20:59.41 | rbanffy | f8l, let's say I install "python". "python" will depend on "python2.7" and it will be installed. If, in the future, "python" depends on "python3", "python2.7" will still be installed because it's on my list |
| 20:59.50 | rbanffy | f8l, exactly |
| 20:59.51 | f8l | rbanffy: I was about to say „whose transitive closure…”, but I don't know if you understand that term. |
| 21:00.10 | rbanffy | f8l, I don't (sorry) |
| 21:00.13 | UT2K3 | hi guys! I'm using an external SMTP as a Smart Host for my sendmail. The problem is that I get no bounces. How can i get these bounces on my linux box? |
| 21:00.31 | f8l | rbanffy: I think it can be done, but refer to the hello-plugins example to see why it can be unwanted sometimes. |
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| 21:01.39 | rbanffy | f8l, the Wikipedia article on transitive closure left me more confused than before |
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| 21:03.36 | f8l | rbanffy: I'd be happy to explain it to you, but I'm learning for tomorrow's exam, and I'm helping you as a form of a break. ;-) Give me a moment; maybe I'll be able to give you an aptitude search pattern. |
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| 21:04.18 | loome | where does one find logs that have root login attempts? |
| 21:04.26 | loome | succesful ones, I mean |
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| 21:05.00 | loome | last | tac does not give me anything. I want ones that were elevated from normal user (with sudo su, or really whatever) |
| 21:05.46 | webad_13 | sorry this might not be the proper channel to ask, but I am thinking of setting up vm on debian. is kvm a way to go? have no experience in this and the resources are quite limited(2gb 1.6CoreDuo 64bit) |
| 21:05.49 | dondelelcaro | loome: /var/log/auth.log by default |
| 21:06.10 | dondelelcaro | webad_13: kvm is probably the way to go if you have hardware support for it |
| 21:07.00 | martianlobster | I have a file, /usr/lib/libuuid.so on several boxes. When I do "apt-file search /usr/lib/libuuid.so" I don't find it. How can I find which package contains this file? |
| 21:07.14 | tremon | martianlobster: dpkg -S |
| 21:07.26 | rbanffy | f8l, thanks! I'm tempted to write python code for that |
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| 21:07.40 | martianlobster | tremon: thanks! |
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| 21:09.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm, any reason why aftpd is ignoring it's /etc/default/atftpd file? |
| 21:09.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | OPTIONS="--tftpd-timeout 30 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mc$ |
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| 21:09.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | it's not listening to the timeout nor the default directory |
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| 21:09.58 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: is it run though inetd? |
| 21:10.02 | rbanffy | f8l, don't fail your exam. |
| 21:10.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | USE_INETD=false |
| 21:10.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | OPTIONS="--tftpd-timeout 30 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /srv/tftp" |
| 21:10.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: nope |
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| 21:11.35 | Tilltheman | Hello |
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| 21:11.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: i'm not sure why it's ignoring the file :-\ |
| 21:11.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | unless i'm modifying the wrong file |
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| 21:12.40 | tremon | I wouldn't know, I use tftpd-hpa |
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| 21:13.03 | webad_13 | dondelelcaro: no VT-x support on mine so guess out of luck |
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| 21:14.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | is it better? |
| 21:16.17 | Tilltheman | Is someone familiar with PCMCIA-Wireless Cards? |
| 21:16.40 | Diopter | Tilltheman: I'm sure someone somewhere is |
| 21:16.43 | bardzusny | !ask |
| 21:16.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:20.01 | Tilltheman | !ask |
| 21:20.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:21.59 | f8l | rbanffy: It's „aptitude search '~i!~R(~i)' ”. |
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| 21:22.19 | Diopter | f8l: Good thing it's straightforward. |
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| 21:23.44 | jelly-home | rbanffy: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 21:23.53 | f8l | rbanffy: You'll probably get some A-flagged packages, but that because they are still installed even though packages that required them were uninstalled. This may happen if other packages recommend or suggest them – then they are not uninstalled as they may still be useful. |
| 21:24.07 | zecrazytux | hey |
| 21:24.16 | zecrazytux | webad_13: or xen |
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| 21:25.16 | [sr] | howdy |
| 21:25.23 | [sr] | with the openvpn client |
| 21:25.28 | [sr] | on the debian package |
| 21:25.37 | [sr] | on the restart, it asks for the cert password |
| 21:25.42 | [sr] | how can i make this permanent? |
| 21:25.44 | kesroesweyth | Using PAM, if I modify /etc/security/limits.conf to increase a user's FD limits, will that take effect immediately after saving the file? |
| 21:26.27 | Diopter | [sr]: Remove the password on the cert? Don't restart it so much? |
| 21:27.09 | [sr] | Diopter: hum... can i make a cert without pass? |
| 21:27.14 | rbanffy | f8l, thanks! |
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| 21:28.22 | ompaul | [sr]: yes |
| 21:28.26 | [sr] | Diopter: oh, it has two options, with and without pass |
| 21:28.57 | [sr] | with password it's better for desktop end users... for servers, no pass since i'm the admin and nobody else will touch it |
| 21:29.12 | Coweater | kesroesweyth: they're per login, the user will have to relog (man 5 limits.conf) |
| 21:29.15 | ompaul | [sr]: if they are machines on the road then keeping them with passwords is good |
| 21:29.18 | rbanffy | jelly-home, thanks for the ti[ |
| 21:29.21 | f8l | rbanffy: Use „aptitude search '~i!~R(~i)!~M' ” if you don't want to install these A-flagged packages. |
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| 21:29.36 | zecrazytux | btw, speaking of hardware extensions for virtualization: for some time, and still in many howtos, a way to check if the processor has them enabled in to grep for 'vmx' or 'smv' in /proc/cpuinfo (flags); a few machines I used for a tested recently do not have them referenced altough the extensions are there (xen hvm or kvm do work). anybody has a hint on what changed (new flag?) or how relevant is this grep test on (new) intel xeon systems ? |
| 21:29.43 | [sr] | ompaul: yap, figured the idea |
| 21:29.43 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: running processes and their children are unchanged. New logins are affected, because that file is config file for pam_limits module, and PAM settings are applied at login time. |
| 21:29.54 | [sr] | Diopter: ompaul, thanks for the tip |
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| 21:30.13 | kesroesweyth | Coweater jelly-home thanks, so what if I only use the user account over SSH? Do I need to disconnect and reconnect, or how does that work? |
| 21:30.25 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: short story, yes |
| 21:30.39 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home gotcha, thanks! |
| 21:30.55 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: if you're using screen, exit the old one |
| 21:30.57 | Diopter | zecrazytux: I presume you mean vmx or smx? |
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| 21:31.20 | jelly-home | "svm" for amd |
| 21:31.24 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home actually, I am using screen. Quit the screen, log out of SSH, reconnect, open a new screen session? |
| 21:31.30 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: yep |
| 21:31.37 | zecrazytux | Diopter, jelly-home 'svm' right |
| 21:31.38 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home awesome :) |
| 21:31.46 | karlpinc | webad_13: You might look into <lxc>, depending on your vm requirements. |
| 21:31.47 | zecrazytux | have never heard about smx |
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| 21:32.31 | thewanderer1 | zecrazytux, define "new" systems |
| 21:33.16 | Diopter | zecrazytux: http://virt-tools.org/learning/check-hardware-virt/ Good place to start, with respect to cpu flags |
| 21:33.53 | karlpinc | kesroesweyth: If your're using ssh I find that the pam configs are not re-read without sshd restart. |
| 21:34.36 | kesroesweyth | karlpinc good thinking, I'll do that as well |
| 21:34.36 | thewanderer1 | on Nehalem, "vmx" still works for heuristics detection |
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| 21:35.50 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: well, not that new; can't check the CPU ref right now but something like a 3 years old low voltage xeon. vmx|svm check used to be good for a while; but i was surprised that I could use hvm|kvm on processors that do not show these flags |
| 21:36.37 | thewanderer1 | zecrazytux, if it doesn't show that, it means the CPU misreports its own capabilities. also, KVM will run without VT-x, just slooow. |
| 21:36.54 | thewanderer1 | (but, for small loads and moderately fast CPUs, you will not notice when idling) |
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| 21:37.04 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: AFAIK Xen HVM won't work at all |
| 21:37.15 | thewanderer1 | it shouldn't, yeah |
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| 21:37.26 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: but it does :) |
| 21:37.26 | thewanderer1 | probably buggy flag reporting |
| 21:37.33 | zecrazytux | hm, i see |
| 21:37.37 | thewanderer1 | 3-year-old Xeons all have virt support |
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| 21:37.48 | homes | thewanderer1: qemu doesn't need hardware support, kvm does..unless it changed recently? |
| 21:38.07 | thewanderer1 | homes, kvm uses qemu, it will run without hardware virt if missing |
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| 21:38.35 | tharkun | Hmm, what is the command that tells me how much load a server has on a per core basis? |
| 21:38.46 | zecrazytux | right, altough I believe that intel did sell a few revisions without hardware virt support, as they do for a few cheap desktop procs |
| 21:38.49 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, "uptime" |
| 21:38.56 | homes | thewanderer1: but it won't be kvm :< |
| 21:39.05 | thewanderer1 | homes, it's the KVM binary :P |
| 21:39.20 | jelly-home | tharkun: top, press '1' |
| 21:39.25 | thewanderer1 | that too :P |
| 21:39.34 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thanks, |
| 21:39.40 | tharkun | jelly-home: nice :D |
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| 21:40.03 | jelly-home | (or htop or atop or anyotherfancytopreplacement) |
| 21:40.26 | tharkun | jelly-home: I can live with on top of that ;P |
| 21:40.41 | jelly-home | htop hass... COLOURS |
| 21:40.51 | thewanderer1 | so does top. |
| 21:40.59 | jelly-home | nah |
| 21:41.05 | jelly-home | htop hass... NICE COLOURS |
| 21:41.06 | tharkun | my monitor doesn't |
| 21:41.36 | thewanderer1 | I want a monochrome display :/ |
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| 21:42.04 | gabesubdo | can someone remind me the name of the application that gives the keycode of any key being pressed? |
| 21:42.13 | tharkun | xev |
| 21:42.14 | Diopter | gabesubdo: xev? |
| 21:42.32 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: get yourself a french "minitel" :) |
| 21:42.32 | gabesubdo | I think that's it. thanks, there's no way I would have remembered that. |
| 21:43.07 | gabesubdo | trying to figure out which shift key I broke on my keyboard :) |
| 21:44.34 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: hunt for a DEC VT terminal on ebays. |
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| 21:45.07 | jelly-home | I can heartily recommend amber VT420 units |
| 21:45.08 | thewanderer1 | puts on the hunter feathered hat |
| 21:45.23 | thewanderer1 | does that use RS-232? |
| 21:45.28 | pfred1 | jelly-home what for? |
| 21:45.40 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: heavens no. Custom DEC serial port. |
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| 21:46.22 | thewanderer1 | so... modding? |
| 21:46.29 | jelly-home | you can connect it to a RS-232, it's just wiring |
| 21:46.50 | thewanderer1 | way cool. |
| 21:47.21 | jelly-home | pfred1: <thewanderer1> I want a monochrome display :/ |
| 21:47.47 | pfred1 | jelly-home why? |
| 21:47.59 | jelly-home | pfred1: why do you ask silly questions? |
| 21:48.21 | pfred1 | jelly-home less silly than you wanting a monochrome display |
| 21:48.29 | jelly-home | pfred1: it's not me. |
| 21:49.25 | pfred1 | last time I checked multicolor could do monochrome just fine |
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| 21:50.15 | thewanderer1 | pfred1, not as vintage. |
| 21:50.15 | jelly-home | yeah. Best for you to ignore this particular conversation then, pfred1 |
| 21:50.19 | pfred1 | there was a time many moons ago when there was a specific use for monochrome displays as debuggers |
| 21:50.21 | Diopter | xscreensaver has a couple of monochrome terminal emulators, which you can run console apps in -- including a shell, so it can effectively be your terminal |
| 21:50.49 | Diopter | Even emulates the slow phosphor refresh rates :) |
| 21:50.51 | pfred1 | when it was the only way you could run multiscreens |
| 21:51.11 | pfred1 | but that day is long gone now |
| 21:51.14 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, nothing beats being connected by console for me instead of those silly VTs |
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| 21:51.47 | Diopter | thewanderer1: Oh I still remember learning computers through such a thing. Fond memories. I just don't want to Actually deal with one anymore :P |
| 21:52.02 | pfred1 | to emulate EGA just stick a fork in your eye |
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| 21:52.43 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: also: free kernel panics! |
| 21:52.56 | thewanderer1 | naaah, it's been stable for me on serial :P |
| 21:53.10 | jelly-home | now you can see how broken that nvidia driver REALLY is |
| 21:53.28 | xreal | I can't understand this ... it IS installed: configure: error: Can't find the Boost unit test library; install libboost-test-dev. |
| 21:53.29 | thewanderer1 | if I can make a cheap serial console, I'm all for it - this VT* equipment is somewhat pricy |
| 21:53.40 | pfred1 | if they just fixed the youtube smurf thing I'd be happy |
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| 21:53.59 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's why I said HUNT not "stroll" |
| 21:54.20 | thewanderer1 | xreal, maybe it needs a newer version? |
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| 21:54.36 | xreal | thewanderer1: It is from sid. I also tried it from wheeze. |
| 21:55.18 | xreal | thewanderer1: Funny thing: The error appears on building aptitude from wheeze :-) |
| 21:55.34 | jelly-home | wheezY |
| 21:55.37 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 21:56.16 | xreal | jelly-home: whoopzY |
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| 21:56.31 | thewanderer1 | and no bugs reported related to it? |
| 21:57.06 | thewanderer1 | what I'd do at this point is trace how it tries to find that library - I like strace personally, but you could as well read the configure script |
| 21:57.26 | xreal | thewanderer1: you mean the debian control script :p |
| 21:57.33 | xreal | perhaps I can just switch off tests. |
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| 21:58.19 | MystKid | what does the debian installer pull in when i select Server web in the netinstall iso |
| 21:58.54 | thewanderer1 | xreal, I suppose it just calls the configure script, no? :P |
| 21:59.15 | xreal | thewanderer1: dunno :p |
| 21:59.20 | thewanderer1 | looks like it |
| 21:59.21 | pfred1 | MystKid stuff I don't want |
| 21:59.41 | MystKid | hmm |
| 21:59.49 | MystKid | pfred1-> helpful! |
| 22:00.05 | thewanderer1 | !server tasks |
| 22:00.05 | dpkg | From the Debian Squeeze <installation guide> §6.3.5.2: "The various server tasks will install software roughly as follows. DNS server: bind9; File server: samba, nfs; Mail server: exim4, spamassassin, uw-imap; Print server: cups; SQL database: postgresql; Web server: apache2." Ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 22:00.18 | pfred1 | MystKid OK if you care do an "expert" install then install what you want if not go with one of the profiles and don't ask |
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| 22:00.40 | thewanderer1 | well, this is in the manual :P |
| 22:00.55 | MystKid | pfred1-> drink a camomille or smoke a spliff :) |
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| 22:02.07 | jelly-home | being of mellow disposition won't change his sane installation recommendations |
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| 22:02.33 | gabesubdo | MystKid: aptitude show task-web-server. you can select the same task after installation if you really want. |
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| 22:04.13 | MystKid | allrighty |
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| 22:08.14 | dizzylizzy | yay Myst |
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| 22:09.34 | MystKid | whats up dizzylizzy |
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| 22:14.35 | xreal | aptitude in wheezy and sid seems to be broken: Can't figure out where Google Mock lives |
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| 22:17.28 | xreal | libboost-test-dev is also broken |
| 22:17.41 | xreal | thinks about switching to ubuntu, but doesn't want to |
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| 22:18.27 | piklu | hiii guys |
| 22:18.33 | piklu | I nwill need a little help |
| 22:18.51 | piklu | I am trying to install LXDE on a 128MB ram virtual machine |
| 22:18.58 | piklu | and I would like to remote desktop on it |
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| 22:19.12 | piklu | so aptitude install LXDE has been done |
| 22:19.29 | piklu | suggest me a very light vnc server |
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| 22:20.39 | dizzylizzy | MystKid, no just that i liked Myst when I was younger and had a computer that could run it without emulation |
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| 22:21.13 | MystKid | XD |
| 22:21.23 | piklu | can anybody help me? |
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| 22:29.19 | proby | hello i had coppied squeeze on usb flash but when i come to loading drivers from cd it hangs and says it can't mount cd |
| 22:29.31 | proby | any solutions please?? |
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| 22:30.26 | proby | !ping |
| 22:30.26 | dpkg | Yes, proby, you are online. |
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| 22:33.06 | proby | damn no one have a solution?? |
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| 22:35.21 | dvs | proby: Probably because "loading drivers" doesn't make sense in Linux term. All the drivers are already included in the kernel. |
| 22:35.41 | Tramp | !tell proby -about usb install |
| 22:35.51 | proby | @dvs it is really late here and am tired |
| 22:35.57 | proby | here is an issue like mine |
| 22:35.58 | proby | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01544.html |
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| 22:38.27 | anAngel | Hello. Anyone know of a wireless signal strength logger (monitor) not just a one time snapshot of all ssids with their stats? I want to be able to record somehow the strength changes of the ssids around. Thanks |
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| 22:38.34 | dvs | proby: It says it's having problems reading from a Toshiba CD-ROM but those drivers would be part of the kernel and not something that can be read froma CDROM drive |
| 22:38.49 | n-iCe | hi |
| 22:39.01 | proby | okey i allready found a sol |
| 22:39.06 | thewanderer1 | anAngel, you can script around "iwlist scan", grep for the relevant data and log it, I think |
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| 22:40.16 | anAngel | thewanderer1: thanks i will try it |
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| 22:56.50 | xreal | SHIT ... the config-script looks for libboost_..._dev ... but the new names are libboost1.4x_..._dev ... who did that? |
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| 22:58.38 | engla | xreal: both exist |
| 22:58.58 | xreal | engla: but not in v1.48 or v1.49 |
| 22:59.18 | xreal | engla: without number, it's 1.34 or somthing. |
| 22:59.42 | xreal | engla: I've taken aptitude from wheezy, which should link to v1.49 ... but it links to the older name. |
| 23:00.41 | xreal | hates backporting. it should work automatically |
| 23:02.08 | thewanderer1 | xreal, maybe there's a newer one in sid? |
| 23:02.28 | xreal | thewanderer1: of which? |
| 23:02.39 | thewanderer1 | aptitude |
| 23:02.43 | xreal | that *is* the funny part. |
| 23:02.46 | xreal | I've taken both from sid. |
| 23:02.54 | thewanderer1 | ,versions aptitude |
| 23:02.54 | xreal | and from wheezy. I tried both |
| 23:02.55 | judd | Package: aptitude on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny2; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1; sid: 0.6.8-1; wheezy: 0.6.8-1 |
| 23:03.03 | thewanderer1 | yeah, looks like it... |
| 23:03.14 | xreal | Oh oh oh oh |
| 23:03.16 | xreal | UPDATE |
| 23:03.26 | xreal | It works with boost v1.48 but not v.149 |
| 23:03.34 | thewanderer1 | file a bug |
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| 23:03.53 | thewanderer1 | it's not uncommon for breakages like that to happen between testing and sid :) |
| 23:04.04 | xreal | thewanderer1: I don't know if it is a bug. v1.48 isn't availb. any more! v1.49 is the one used. |
| 23:04.17 | xreal | ,version libboost |
| 23:04.18 | judd | No package named 'libboost' was found in i386. |
| 23:04.24 | xreal | ... |
| 23:04.27 | xreal | ,version libboost-dev |
| 23:04.28 | judd | Package: libboost-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.34.1-14; squeeze: 1.42.0.1; sid: 1.49.0.1; wheezy: 1.49.0.1 |
| 23:04.54 | thewanderer1 | xreal, well, if it's in testing and doesn't build against the boost from testing, then it's a bug |
| 23:05.20 | xreal | thewanderer1: even when I'm in squeeze? |
| 23:05.45 | thewanderer1 | if you're running a mixed system, it's surely worth checking on a true "wheezy" |
| 23:05.48 | xreal | When builing the deb, dpkg tells me that libboost-test-dev can't be found. But it lists under another name. |
| 23:06.20 | xreal | thewanderer1: okay. I'll chroot tomorrow. |
| 23:06.33 | jelly-home | xreal: or you could just fix the build-dep to include the available alternative and move on |
| 23:06.53 | jelly-home | not all backporting is trivial |
| 23:06.58 | xreal | jelly-home: "-d" while building the packages works right now. |
| 23:07.20 | thewanderer1 | I have a wheezy here but disk space is limited, can't really pull in all boost sources :P |
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| 23:08.27 | xreal | I wonder if there's something like an "inofficial user backport source"?! |
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| 23:09.13 | thewanderer1 | backports.org used to be unofficial, now it's mainline and renamed to backports.debian.org... |
| 23:09.45 | xreal | thewanderer1: Can anyone upload files? |
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| 23:10.08 | xreal | ah: http://backports-master.debian.org/Contribute/ |
| 23:11.10 | xreal | gives it up |
| 23:11.11 | xreal | relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 23:11.39 | thewanderer1 | xreal, well, have you tried compiling it with -fPIC? :P |
| 23:11.44 | scientes | ^^ |
| 23:12.00 | xreal | thewanderer1: Where do I need to set this? rules-file or configure or configure.ac ? |
| 23:12.20 | thewanderer1 | I think rules specifies the CFLAGS |
| 23:13.20 | xreal | DEB_CXXFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND += -fPIC |
| 23:15.16 | thewanderer1 | looks legit |
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| 23:16.26 | xreal | usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libboost_iostreams-mt.a(zlib.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a shared object; |
| 23:16.28 | xreal | :-( |
| 23:16.39 | xreal | usr/lib/libboost_iostreams-mt.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
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| 23:22.02 | xreal | ,version libboost-test-dev |
| 23:22.03 | judd | Package: libboost-test-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.34.1-14; squeeze: 1.42.0.1; sid: 1.49.0.1; wheezy: 1.49.0.1 |
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