| 00:01.24 | n-iCe | hi adrakoa |
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| 00:10.52 | gabesubdo | okay, I'm seeing something weird... I have a file with permissions 0640, owned by another user, but I'm in the correct group. I can stat the file but 'ls' and anything else gives Permission denied |
| 00:11.18 | gabesubdo | and I can't see any interesting ACLs or attributes |
| 00:13.59 | alfplayer | gabesubdo: you need permission to traverse the directory, that is, listing the dir contents |
| 00:14.20 | gabesubdo | oh god I'm a moron today. |
| 00:14.50 | gabesubdo | did chmod -R g+r but forgot this one file is in a subdirectory and those... yeah. |
| 00:15.04 | alfplayer | OK |
| 00:15.13 | gabesubdo | thanks. where do I pick up my duncecap? |
| 00:15.30 | dvs | !pal gabesubdo |
| 00:15.30 | dpkg | points at gabesubdo and laughs hysterically |
| 00:15.34 | alfplayer | haha |
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| 00:20.40 | phantomcircuit | installing php pulls in apache as a dependency is there a way to avoid this? (im using nginx) |
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| 00:23.08 | daemonkeeper | It doesn't. |
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| 00:25.20 | abrotman | phantomcircuit: which php package are you installing ? |
| 00:25.34 | daemonkeeper | php5 I guess, which has: Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.4.4~rc2-1) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.4.4~rc2-1) | php5-cgi (>= 5.4.4~rc2-1) | php5-fpm (>= 5.4.4~rc2-1), php5-common (>= 5.4.4~rc2-1) |
| 00:25.34 | phantomcircuit | php5 |
| 00:25.47 | abrotman | phantomcircuit: i'd guess you want php5-cgi ? |
| 00:25.50 | phantomcircuit | ah |
| 00:25.51 | daemonkeeper | He does |
| 00:25.51 | phantomcircuit | ok then |
| 00:26.00 | daemonkeeper | Or php5-fpm on Wheezy |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | phantomcircuit: so you can actually install php5-cgi and php5 together |
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| 00:26.26 | Miesco | How would I change my graphics driver to nv |
| 00:26.34 | abrotman | from what? |
| 00:26.35 | Miesco | nuevo or whatever its called |
| 00:26.38 | Miesco | abrotman: nvidia |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | nv is different than nouveau |
| 00:26.49 | Miesco | abrotman: I want nouveau |
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| 00:27.41 | bardzusny | phantomcircuit: php5-fpm is the way to go |
| 00:28.31 | phantomcircuit | yup |
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| 00:28.44 | abrotman | doesn't anyone even use a webserver anymore? |
| 00:29.02 | daemonkeeper | Sadly not. |
| 00:29.04 | Miesco | abrotman: Hey how do I change it? In xorg.conf? |
| 00:29.17 | phantomcircuit | except im on squeeze which doesn't have fpm |
| 00:29.31 | daemonkeeper | Well, fpm is cgi on steroids. |
| 00:29.37 | bardzusny | hmm |
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| 00:30.01 | daemonkeeper | You can use php5-cgi or a better web server. |
| 00:30.07 | bardzusny | it's 5.3, you sure? |
| 00:30.22 | daemonkeeper | bardzusny: Squeeze has 5.3 (and no FPM) |
| 00:30.31 | daemonkeeper | bardzusny: FPM entered PHP pristine by 5.4 |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | Miesco: change the driver name |
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| 00:30.41 | Miesco | Under "device" in xorg.conf: driver "nouveau" |
| 00:30.49 | Miesco | abrotman: Like that? |
| 00:31.03 | bardzusny | http://fak3r.com/2011/09/27/howto-install-php5-fpm-on-debian-squeeze/ |
| 00:31.07 | abrotman | Miesco: sure, why not |
| 00:31.10 | bardzusny | I've found this, but of course unofficial repos are unofficial |
| 00:31.23 | Miesco | abrotman: But I get "no devices detected" when I try to start X |
| 00:31.26 | daemonkeeper | !dotdeb |
| 00:31.27 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 00:31.31 | bardzusny | (I've already taken some slack here for not being a purist) |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | never,ever use dotdeb |
| 00:31.43 | daemonkeeper | NEVER |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | EVER |
| 00:31.51 | daemonkeeper | ^5 |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | v5 |
| 00:31.58 | bardzusny | :) |
| 00:32.01 | Miesco | NEver? |
| 00:32.08 | Miesco | What if your goal was to break your system? |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | Miesco: it's possible the driver doesn't support your card |
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| 00:32.25 | daemonkeeper | Miesco: Then just use rm. That's just as efficient, but faster. |
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| 00:34.05 | Miesco | abrotman: My card is: nVidia GTX 560 TI |
| 00:34.16 | peterrooney | Miesco: switching to sid would take care of that goal |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | Miesco: that means nothing to me |
| 00:34.34 | abrotman | peterrooney: that's not very good advice |
| 00:34.37 | Miesco | peterrooney: I guess you could do /dev/urandom > /dev/sda1 |
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| 00:35.04 | abrotman | okay .. enough ? |
| 00:35.12 | Miesco | Sorry |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | Miesco: have you looked at the man page for nouveau to see if your card is in there? |
| 00:35.30 | Miesco | abrotman: no i'll look |
| 00:36.00 | Miesco | abrotman: My card not there |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | what do you think that means? |
| 00:36.13 | n3hima | hi, I'm using squeeze and have just brought my system up after 9 months of downtime, and apt-get for some reason isn't realising it can find the packages I want |
| 00:36.15 | abrotman | Miesco: this is squeeze? |
| 00:36.23 | n3hima | I'm getting 'No installation candidate' errors |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | n3hima: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 00:36.44 | dvs | abrotman: The man page is out of date! ;-) |
| 00:37.09 | n3hima | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/isNREia6 |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | dvs: ? |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 00:37.52 | phantomcircuit | daemonkeeper, it's fine i know how to make spawn-fcgi work |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | n3hima: mixing squeeze and sid isn't a great plan |
| 00:38.12 | n3hima | abrotman: it's commented out |
| 00:38.12 | dvs | or webmin |
| 00:38.18 | n3hima | I never actually installed the packages |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | n3hima: it is now ... |
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| 00:38.35 | abrotman | n3hima: show us the full output of "aptitude update;aptitude install <pkgname>" |
| 00:39.04 | nikhatzi | hello people. i want to activate some perl modules in my debian. i installed all the perl modules via apt, but instmodsh lists no modules other than "perl". how can i activate the modules i want? thank you in advance |
| 00:39.19 | phantomcircuit | ah screw it |
| 00:39.22 | phantomcircuit | installs lighttpd |
| 00:39.27 | daemonkeeper | \o/ |
| 00:39.28 | automorphic | Hello, I somehow keep managing to have boot problems, and I'm starting to think it's my BIOS possibly, but it is finding the disk. When I boot the system choosing the drive with my /boot partition, every so often grub simply will not load, and currently my BIOS seems to think the disk is not bootable. This isn't really a debian specific question, but it it happening on Debian, so I thought I'd ask. I'm using grub-pc with a dos mbr |
| 00:40.04 | n3hima | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/nbgXb6uj |
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| 00:40.15 | bardzusny | phantomcircuit: hihi |
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| 00:40.24 | phantomcircuit | bardzusny, ? |
| 00:40.42 | daemonkeeper | bardzusny is congratulating you for your excellent choice |
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| 00:40.53 | phantomcircuit | ah |
| 00:41.54 | abrotman | n3hima: apt-cache policy rsync |
| 00:42.43 | n3hima | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/RnQLYvkm |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | oh .. you left out that armel bit |
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| 00:43.20 | n3hima | the package is available for armel |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | n3hima: why are you pinning stuff? |
| 00:43.37 | abrotman | especially at -1 ? |
| 00:43.45 | n3hima | I don't believe I am |
| 00:43.49 | n3hima | hang on |
| 00:43.55 | n3hima | been a while since I looked at this |
| 00:43.57 | abrotman | oh okay .. that -1 means you're not |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | .. |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | dots! |
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| 00:45.16 | n3hima | abrotman: ah my mistake, I had been pinning things before |
| 00:45.26 | abrotman | see! |
| 00:45.30 | n3hima | had some garbage in my preferences |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | takes his crazy hat off |
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| 00:51.07 | piero | I use gnome-shell with two monitors. When I open the browser, nautilus or even xchat, the window is sent to the secondary monitor, maximized. Once I restore it, it moves to the main monitor (wtf?). Can I force all new programs to open in the main monitor and just what I move to the secondary stay there? |
| 00:52.08 | adrakoa | automorphic, do you try with a live cd? chroot... |
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| 00:56.06 | fas3r | hello |
| 00:56.24 | fas3r | my session just crash with ssh... can i put back a process in the front ? |
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| 00:57.08 | fas3r | a process which still running |
| 00:57.12 | fas3r | take the hand on it |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | judd: info retty --release squeeze |
| 00:57.13 | judd | Package retty (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: attach processes running on other terminals. Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k |
| 00:57.18 | abrotman | good luck |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | fas3r: in the future, if the process matters, start screen, run it from there |
| 00:57.38 | fas3r | oki |
| 00:57.46 | fas3r | so not possible in an other words :D |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | see what the bot spit out |
| 00:58.51 | fas3r | hum |
| 00:59.03 | fas3r | i dont have it and i cant install it it's a production server .. |
| 00:59.06 | fas3r | but it's ok :) |
| 00:59.28 | abrotman | you can't install retty ? |
| 00:59.50 | fas3r | i prefer to avoid any installation on production server ... |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | then uh .. i think you're kind of SOL |
| 01:00.34 | automorphic | adrakoa: sorry I was away for a moment, yes I can boot from a live cd, and I've run grub-install several times and this always fixes it |
| 01:00.44 | fas3r | SOL ? |
| 01:00.53 | automorphic | adrakoa: I think my hard drive might need to be replaced, or my BIOS is buggy |
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| 01:01.14 | adrakoa | automorphic, fdisk -l from live cd? |
| 01:01.23 | abrotman | fas3r: was that process that important ? |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | fas3r: i'm not aware of any other method |
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| 01:01.59 | automorphic | yes when I boot in, the partition seems fine, cfdisk shows everything correctly |
| 01:02.12 | fas3r | the process is still running but it's ok, i will do a loop that will inform me when the process is gone |
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| 01:03.08 | adrakoa | cfdisk doesn't have -l argument |
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| 01:03.48 | Soxred93 | Hi all, I'm having some network issues on Debian Squeeze. Every few minutes, network connections seem to die at random, with no indication of anything else going wrong. The toolbar doesn't indicate any problems or anything, it just dies. Waiting a few minutes and refreshing fixes the problem. How might I be able to fix this problem more permanently? |
| 01:03.52 | automorphic | adrakoa: no, but when I run cfdisk /dev/sdX, it correctly shows the partition table (or maybe you're worried there are too many) |
| 01:04.26 | fas3r | Soxred93: does it not your cable :D |
| 01:04.38 | automorphic | adrakoa: I've just run it, and it shows the one table with correct partitions |
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| 01:05.19 | Soxred93 | My network works perfectly in Windows, with no interruptions. It's only the Debian install that fails. |
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| 01:06.33 | automorphic | Soxred, are ALL connections dying at the same time |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | Soxred93: uname -r? lspci -nn, what is the device? |
| 01:06.50 | Soxred93 | Yes. Chrome, Thunderbird, and IRC all die |
| 01:07.15 | automorphic | Soxred93: I am not sure I'd call that a network problem |
| 01:07.48 | automorphic | Soxred93: be more specific, do the programs just stop or does your internet connection stop |
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| 01:08.33 | abrotman | waits ... |
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| 01:08.48 | fas3r | automorphic: there not an option on debian like on windows which allow the OS to shutdown the peripheric if there is no traffic? |
| 01:09.07 | fas3r | because it could be the problem... |
| 01:09.16 | abrotman | fas3r: the likelihood of IRC/email/web all being idle that long? |
| 01:09.23 | Soxred93 | automorphic: I don't quite know what you mean. The programs keep running, but they can't find the network. |
| 01:09.50 | abrotman | Soxred93: uname -r? lspci -nn, what is the device? |
| 01:09.56 | Soxred93 | Working on it. |
| 01:10.10 | fas3r | Soxred93: on pastebin ;) |
| 01:10.23 | fas3r | or abrotman will kill you hahahahah :D |
| 01:10.26 | Soxred93 | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64, https://gist.github.com/103d74c57746aafe236e |
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| 01:10.31 | Soxred93 | Oh, oh well. |
| 01:10.41 | Soxred93 | Is gist okay? :P |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | Soxred93: which device is you rnetowrk ? |
| 01:10.56 | Soxred93 | hates pastebin with a burning passion. |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | nevermind, only see one |
| 01:11.03 | fas3r | :) |
| 01:11.04 | abrotman | Soxred93: we have paste.debian.net |
| 01:11.12 | Soxred93 | That works. :) |
| 01:11.32 | abrotman | Soxred93: you may want to run 'update-pciids' at some point .. |
| 01:11.46 | fas3r | or paste it on you facebook wall and ask and send a request to abrotman to be your friend :D mouaahahah |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | Soxred93: /msg dpkg bpo .. try installing the linux-image-amd64 from backports.debian.org |
| 01:12.08 | fas3r | i should stop to drink :D |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | Soxred93: seems like your machine hardware is fairly new ? |
| 01:12.31 | Soxred93 | Yep, just built it. |
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| 01:12.47 | abrotman | yeah, i'd try that backports kernel .. it's a 3.2. x |
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| 01:13.24 | Soxred93 | I'll give that a shot. |
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| 01:14.00 | syslq | Anyone here for job advice? |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | syslq: #debian-offtopic please |
| 01:14.20 | syslq | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:18.15 | automorphic | adrakoa: so I've played around with it a bit more, and it seems that perhaps pm-suspend is messing with the BIOS. I only say this because I reinstalled grub, then reboot successfully 3 times, then I suspended it, and it is not not correctly rebooting. |
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| 01:25.52 | Soxred93 | abrotman: https://gist.github.com/ca74018c747bfdbec29d |
| 01:26.20 | tuv | which do you think is cooler: pandaboard or dreamplug? |
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| 01:27.18 | abrotman | Soxred93: note the filenames .. make sure you install the linux firmware package when you're done |
| 01:27.34 | Soxred93 | Which is? |
| 01:27.53 | Soxred93 | (sorry, should have mentioned I'm still fairly new to linux stuff, I haven't played around with it in a while) |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | Soxred93: firmware-linux-nonfree .. i'd guess |
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| 01:30.59 | Soxred93 | abrotman: Okay, it appears to have found some of the firmwares, but not all of them. |
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| 01:31.24 | abrotman | Soxred93: there's also firmware-linux |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | Soxred93: if you install apt-file, you can find hte packages it needs |
| 01:31.53 | Soxred93 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.55 | abrotman | Soxred93: the package is firmware-realtek |
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| 01:32.10 | Soxred93 | Already found and installed. :) |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | good |
| 01:32.22 | Soxred93 | I assume I'll have to restart to notice an effect. |
| 01:32.41 | Soxred93 | Of course I can't install a package without the network working. >_< |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | awesome ... |
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| 01:33.06 | abrotman | if you've gotten all of the firmware, it should work |
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| 01:41.01 | Maccer | Just... I have a question... why in the f*ck does the Debian project have a diversity and equality statement with departments on anti-harassment, women/feminism, and anti-harrasment? I didn't know Debian was so... post-modernist. |
| 01:41.08 | Maccer | http://www.debian.org/intro/diversity |
| 01:41.28 | pfred1 | Maccer because they're filthy hippies |
| 01:42.14 | Maccer | pfred1: No, I'm genuinely serious. I use Debian because I like the balance of stability and security, not because of their cultural marxist bullshit. |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | Maccer: you're asking the wrong poeple, most of us don't have voting rights |
| 01:42.30 | pfred1 | Maccer I'm serious too |
| 01:42.31 | Soxred93 | abrotman: Whee, now it won't boot. :D |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | Soxred93: lies! what's the error? |
| 01:42.40 | Maccer | Oh, look, they even have an IRC channel. |
| 01:42.54 | caf | i don't you know what post-modernism is |
| 01:43.05 | Maccer | Uhh |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | ignore it |
| 01:43.18 | Soxred93 | No error, it just have a rapidly blinking cursor |
| 01:43.37 | Soxred93 | Waited a good 5 minutes, did nothing |
| 01:43.49 | Maccer | At least RH has their eyes focused on the right thing. |
| 01:43.57 | abrotman | Soxred93: you have the nvidia binary driver installed don't you ? |
| 01:44.01 | Soxred93 | Yep |
| 01:44.04 | abrotman | ugh |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | how did you install it ? |
| 01:44.36 | Soxred93 | I can't recall, I think I tried one, then the other, and one of them eventually worked. |
| 01:44.38 | pfred1 | runs the Nvidia binary driver |
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| 01:44.45 | LiteralKa | !seen tribble |
| 01:44.45 | dpkg | LiteralKa: i haven't seen 'tribble' |
| 01:44.47 | LiteralKa | !seen dribble |
| 01:44.53 | LiteralKa | !seen dribble |
| 01:44.54 | dpkg | LiteralKa: i haven't seen 'dribble' |
| 01:45.03 | abrotman | LiteralKa: do you need help ? |
| 01:45.15 | LiteralKa | */c |
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| 01:45.27 | abrotman | Soxred93: you'll have to boot single user, bring up the network, install the nvidia dkms |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | Soxred93: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 01:45.37 | abrotman | curses nvidia |
| 01:45.57 | pfred1 | better than AMD |
| 01:46.00 | dvs | get Linus! |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | pfred1: in what way? they're both binary alligator fuck houses |
| 01:46.24 | tensorpudding | i like my free intel driver |
| 01:46.24 | pfred1 | the only way that matters performance |
| 01:46.41 | abrotman | performance doesn't matter if it doesn't work |
| 01:46.46 | pfred1 | works here |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | good for you |
| 01:46.54 | pfred1 | yes it is |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | bad for every one that buys one and has to mess with non-free drivers |
| 01:47.29 | pfred1 | I tried it the Debian way that was a mess |
| 01:47.36 | abrotman | Soxred93: anyway .. the nvidia driver is a PITA, no matter which method you use |
| 01:47.47 | pfred1 | I don't fault Nvidia for that though |
| 01:48.04 | abrotman | you should |
| 01:48.08 | pfred1 | why? |
| 01:48.08 | abrotman | they could help .. they don't |
| 01:48.19 | pfred1 | how do yo uknow what Nvidia can and cannot do? |
| 01:48.36 | pfred1 | were you there while they were signing NDAs? |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | right, they can't publish any specs or help write a free driver .. |
| 01:49.12 | pfred1 | you think Nvidia out and out owns everything they have? |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | would rather use a Matrox card than support nvidia |
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| 01:51.16 | pfred1 | abrotman can you play GL Quake at 74.5458046 fps fullscreen 2720x1024x32? |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | people sitll play quake? |
| 01:51.40 | pfred1 | I do |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | oh, and with dual monitors! |
| 01:52.11 | pfred1 | sure |
| 01:52.16 | Soxred93 | Sigh, dpkg tells me to use http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. That tells me to grep in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. That file is empty. |
| 01:52.28 | pfred1 | heck I can watch 2 HD vids at the same time |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | Soxred93: grep it for what? |
| 01:52.57 | Soxred93 | grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:53.05 | Soxred93 | To check which driver is running |
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| 01:53.47 | pfred1 | Soxred93 (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | Soxred93: oh .. i think you can skip that part .. it's broken whatever it is :) |
| 01:54.47 | pfred1 | I tried that nosferatu stuff and it was ugly |
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| 01:55.29 | Soxred93 | And of course my card isn't supported. Nor is any of the GTX series of cards. |
| 01:55.51 | pfred1 | I've run GTX with Nvidia's drivers |
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| 01:56.13 | abrotman | Soxred93: i thought you had a new card? |
| 01:57.54 | Soxred93 | I do. |
| 01:57.57 | pfred1 | I wish I had the benchmark numbers from my GTX240 |
| 01:58.04 | Soxred93 | Well, semi-new |
| 01:58.06 | pfred1 | it was unreal! |
| 01:58.10 | abrotman | i thought nvidia supported all of their newer cards? |
| 01:58.12 | Soxred93 | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/README/supportedchips.html |
| 01:58.42 | pfred1 | why such an old driver? |
| 01:58.52 | pfred1 | I have 295 I think it is |
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| 01:59.46 | pfred1 | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-295.40.run |
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| 01:59.50 | Soxred93 | That's what http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers told me to do. |
| 02:00.22 | pfred1 | when it comes to nvidia binary drivers pretty much forget about everything Debian tells you |
| 02:00.38 | pfred1 | been there done that didn't work for me |
| 02:00.57 | Soxred93 | Oy. |
| 02:01.07 | pfred1 | you're going ot have to get the kernel course build oldconfig then run the nvidia installer |
| 02:01.15 | pfred1 | that is what works |
| 02:01.16 | Soxred93 | pfred1 says ignore Debian's method, abrotman says ignore nVidia's method. >_< |
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| 02:01.31 | pfred1 | difference is I use Nvidia and I'm happy |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | Soxred93: i actually say to ignore nvidia altogether :) |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | Soxred93: i don't think you have that choice currently :) |
| 02:01.57 | Soxred93 | I really don't care what method I use, as long as it works. |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | Soxred93: if pfred1 says he can make it work, go for it .. |
| 02:02.20 | pfred1 | then use debian to get your kernel source build it up then exit X and run nvidia's installer |
| 02:02.35 | pfred1 | nothing else really works |
| 02:02.40 | Soxred93 | I got it to work on the current version of the kernel, but the most recent backport seems to have broken it. |
| 02:03.30 | pfred1 | nvidia's installer can build you a module locally that'll work for any supported kernel if yo uhave the source tree in place for it to do it |
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| 02:03.54 | pfred1 | if yo udon't then it doesn't work |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | wonders why he's getting weird ctcp errors |
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| 02:04.42 | pfred1 | abrotman because stephsolis peddles Linux warez! |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | CTCP ERRMSG reply from stephsolis: ACTION wonders why he's getting weird ctcp errors :unknown CTCP command |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | that's what i was getting in my status window .. |
| 02:05.08 | Soxred93 | So I ended up coming here to fix a network issue... and I end up reinstalling the kernel and having to troubleshoot nvidia problems. Oy. |
| 02:05.23 | pfred1 | Soxred93 one thing leads to another |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | Soxred93: they were related, that's my story and i'm sticking to it |
| 02:05.39 | Soxred93 | Yep. :) |
| 02:05.44 | pfred1 | yeah nvidia needs kernel modules tied to your running kernel |
| 02:06.17 | pfred1 | I'll pastebin the exact commands you need to issue in order to get it to work but I have to assemble them from notes |
| 02:06.31 | pfred1 | so it is going to take me a few |
| 02:06.43 | Soxred93 | Okay. I booted it in the old kernel, and it's working for now. Network is still funky. |
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| 02:07.10 | pfred1 | that and I'm being terribly distracted by this right now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcyzubFvBsA which is the story of open source nvidia drivers I think |
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| 02:19.32 | trysten | http://paste.debian.net/175763/ |
| 02:19.59 | trysten | xpost from #pulseaudio ^ |
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| 02:25.23 | ten1 | hello all, I'm possibly having to leave my dev machine behind me but I would like to back up the config (not necessarily the data), can someone recommend a good tool or solution for that? |
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| 02:26.10 | laidback_01 | tar and bzip seem to work for my backups |
| 02:26.16 | laidback_01 | bzip2 that is |
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| 02:28.33 | pfred1 | laidback_01 excellent tool choices |
| 02:29.17 | ten1 | yeah I can just imagine blindly overwriting /etc on a fresh install |
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| 02:29.59 | laidback_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.08 | mo1991 | ask /msg |
| 02:30.14 | krisfremen | ten1: I use a git repo for that kind of stuff |
| 02:30.14 | laidback_01 | however what I do with my /etc dir is keep it updated with git |
| 02:30.29 | krisfremen | well, another git user :P |
| 02:30.51 | laidback_01 | heh, yeah, I have cron do periodic commits ;) |
| 02:30.57 | laidback_01 | mostly cause I'd forget |
| 02:31.00 | mo1991 | I am trying to build a package from source. I asked the bot before but can't remember how to do that now? |
| 02:31.16 | ten1 | has anyone used puppet or chef? |
| 02:31.34 | ten1 | do those do roughly what I want? |
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| 02:32.27 | abrotman | ten1: not quite |
| 02:32.33 | abrotman | ten1: they're configuration management |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | ten1: maybe etckeeper? |
| 02:32.54 | mo1991 | never mind silly question - dpkg |
| 02:33.41 | nevyn | ten1: that and get-selections |
| 02:33.49 | nevyn | where that is etckeeper |
| 02:34.11 | ten1 | abrotman, I really thought configuration management was what I was after, can you expound on that a bit more? |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | whoa, confusing! |
| 02:34.30 | laidback_01 | interesting, I've always developled from ~/local or ~/usr/local and that is why I said tar/bzip2, however you sound like you are building a machine, really like it and want to replicate it. |
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| 02:34.52 | nevyn | abrotman: I wrote it and then realised that I'd used context in my head which wasn't apparent ;) |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | nevyn: brain dump please! |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | ten1: puppet/chef are more like for managing multiple systems |
| 02:35.48 | nevyn | so to duplicate the config he needs the list of what's installed as well as the configuration of what's installed |
| 02:36.08 | ten1 | that's kinda exactly it |
| 02:36.15 | nevyn | so etckeeper helps with the later and dpkg --get-selections is for the former |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:37.19 | nevyn | ten1: puppet/chef are really about having a structured way to maintain your infrastructure like it's code |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | and for multiple boxes |
| 02:38.13 | nevyn | ten1: there are some "discovery" type tools as part of them but the code they generate is about equivilent to "decompiled C" |
| 02:38.21 | nevyn | for programms |
| 02:38.44 | nevyn | ten1: ie: it can be forward compiled but it's nothing you'd want to maintain or modifiy |
| 02:38.49 | ten1 | nevyn, they did sounds a bit overkill, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing right? |
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| 02:39.19 | nevyn | ten1: for one system it's complete overkill. (like insane overkill) |
| 02:39.31 | nevyn | ten1: it starts really paying off at 50-100 systems |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | i'd say as low as 20 depending on complexity |
| 02:39.54 | abrotman | or 10 if they're perfectly identical! |
| 02:40.00 | ten1 | I'll look into etckeeper |
| 02:40.35 | nevyn | abrotman: if they're identical you can probably fake it with etckeeper and --get-selections ;) |
| 02:40.48 | ten1 | really this is my backup plan -- the plan is to try to keep the laptop in lieu of unpaid wages |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | nevyn: you assume Debian-based! |
| 02:41.36 | nevyn | heh |
| 02:41.48 | nevyn | this isn't -ot ;) |
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| 02:42.06 | abrotman | puppet on Debian can manage systems running Debian, Ubuntu, RHEL, Windows |
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| 02:42.30 | nevyn | solaris. |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | if it can run Ruby? :) |
| 02:42.46 | nevyn | aix (but that was reasonably flaky last I tried it) |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | shocked, really i am |
| 02:43.16 | nevyn | aix's dpkg is insane with multiple identical parementers that have position dependant horror |
| 02:43.20 | nevyn | ie |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | oh well .. |
| 02:43.40 | nevyn | instalp -x 1 -x2 -x4 -x foo -x bar -x blah -x -x -x |
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| 03:03.59 | psusi | how do you subscribe to all bug reports for a package in the bts? |
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| 03:14.47 | pfred1 | psusi I have a bug for you http://i.imgur.com/N1kvg.jpg |
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| 03:15.47 | psusi | pfred1, ? |
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| 03:16.02 | pfred1 | psusi on the screen bugs! |
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| 03:16.30 | psusi | huh? |
| 03:16.58 | AshleyWaffle | Hey... How do I get auto-mounting to work when I just installed a barebones netinstall system? (I managed to get XFCE4 working) |
| 03:17.20 | pfred1 | AshleyWaffle sweet |
| 03:17.30 | AshleyWaffle | :) |
| 03:17.39 | pfred1 | I run trinity |
| 03:17.46 | AshleyWaffle | trinity? |
| 03:17.56 | pfred1 | yeah KDE 3 fork |
| 03:18.01 | AshleyWaffle | PS. I'm on sid |
| 03:18.03 | AshleyWaffle | oh, cool |
| 03:18.17 | pfred1 | this is just Squeeze |
| 03:18.36 | pfred1 | I manage to break enough stuff on stable |
| 03:19.07 | AshleyWaffle | Heh |
| 03:20.51 | AshleyWaffle | nvm works by default XD |
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| 03:21.07 | pfred1 | AshleyWaffle but in trinity automount seems to be handled by this junk called nepomuk |
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| 03:21.33 | pfred1 | least when I turned that off things stopped automounting for me |
| 03:21.43 | AshleyWaffle | I never tested it :P |
| 03:21.51 | AshleyWaffle | And realized it works by default :D |
| 03:25.33 | pfred1 | when I first ran Linux it took me a long time to figure out how to mount a CD-ROM disc |
| 03:25.50 | pfred1 | then I wrote aliases to mount and unmount discs |
| 03:26.06 | pfred1 | cdm and umcd if memory serves |
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| 03:49.24 | mo1991 | is there a way to get synaptic to ignore 2 broken packages? They are ubuntu files that are unavailable in debian (emerald files) - they work fine just synaptic wants me to fix broken packages |
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| 03:54.53 | karlpinc | !frankendebian |
| 03:54.54 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 03:55.17 | karlpinc | mo1991: What do you mean unavailable? |
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| 03:57.29 | mo1991 | karlpinc - a modern version of the emerald window decorator. I want to use this with the compiz from experimental I have compiled myself. |
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| 03:58.05 | mo1991 | The ubuntu packages install if I ignore-depends, and work like a charm, but synaptic keeps trying to get me to fix these "broken" ubuntu packages |
| 03:58.09 | karlpinc | mo1991: Then you should be doing <ssd> on all the packages you want. |
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| 03:58.13 | karlpinc | !tell mo1991 about ssd |
| 03:58.55 | mo1991 | karlpinc it told me about solid state drives??? |
| 03:59.12 | karlpinc | mo1991: Are the emroald window decorator available in sid? |
| 03:59.18 | karlpinc | !ssb |
| 03:59.19 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 03:59.21 | mo1991 | the ubuntu packages work - I just want synaptic to ignore |
| 03:59.37 | karlpinc | mo1991: Sorry, wrong factoid. |
| 03:59.37 | mo1991 | There is no source even in experimental for emerald |
| 04:00.07 | mo1991 | ubuntu has version .88. All previous versions segfault |
| 04:00.15 | karlpinc | mo1991: If they work, then they should be really easy to repackage and then you won't have problems with apt. |
| 04:00.20 | mo1991 | all is working fine I just need syanptic (apt) to ignore them |
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| 04:00.52 | karlpinc | mo1991: The right way to do it is to rebuild the packages and remove the problem. |
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| 04:01.20 | mo1991 | karlpinc - repackage from what? The ubuntu source? I realize this isn't really the right way but is there a quick and dirty way to workaround |
| 04:01.25 | karlpinc | mo1991: I don't use synaptic, so can't help. But I'd bet there's no help for it. |
| 04:02.07 | karlpinc | mo1991: Right, the ubuntu source packages. I'm not very familuar with building debs, but it sounds straightforward. |
| 04:02.20 | mo1991 | so you recomend I recompile from the ubuntu source code? removing the dependancy that isn't needed? |
| 04:02.50 | mo1991 | pretty sure they are the same as debian. Do you know what file in the source tree does the dependancy list? |
| 04:02.52 | karlpinc | mo1991: About the easiest repackaging you can do. You can _probably_ recompile the source packages and the problem will go away. Dunno. |
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| 04:03.09 | karlpinc | mo1991: A lot of that will be automatic, depending on what's installed on your box. |
| 04:03.18 | mo1991 | hmm good idea |
| 04:03.33 | karlpinc | !package recompile |
| 04:03.34 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 04:04.19 | karlpinc | mo1991: Beyond that, there's <debian/rules>, which you may or may not need to know about. |
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| 04:04.32 | mo1991 | the reason for the headache in syanptic is ubuntu renames some of the .deb packages with different version numbers. I do have the dependancies, just ubuntu calls out for a 1.xx version rather than the debian .xx version |
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| 04:05.32 | karlpinc | mo1991: The rules, I think, lay out some of the version dependencies. Other package dependencies do something automagic depending on what you link to. |
| 04:06.11 | karlpinc | mo1991: I'd try recompiling without messing with anything and then play around more if there's problems. |
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| 04:08.38 | craigevil | if you have never built a package from source a good guide is :Debian User Forums • View topic - HowTo Build a Package from Source the Smart Way - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 04:10.22 | Circuitsoft | Hello. I'm trying to install wine on an x86_64 system, but it says that libc-bin:i386 conflicts with libc-bin. |
| 04:10.27 | Circuitsoft | Has anyone done this? |
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| 04:11.25 | karlpinc | Circuitsoft: You'll want to pastebin the details. (See also the <anyone> factoid.) |
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| 04:11.50 | karlpinc | Circuitsoft: You're clearly doing it wrong, because the right way is to install the wine package. |
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| 04:12.16 | Circuitsoft | The wine package has information about setting up multiarch, but the included instructions don't seem to work. |
| 04:12.38 | Circuitsoft | I've done dpkg --add-architecture i386, and added the necessary tags to the sources.list to get the i386 packages in apt. |
| 04:12.43 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 04:12.43 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 04:12.50 | karlpinc | Circuitsoft: Anything there? |
| 04:13.41 | karlpinc | Circuitsoft: You're saying there is no wine package for amd64? |
| 04:14.32 | Circuitsoft | www.pastebin.com/Qg0A1QRy |
| 04:19.21 | Circuitsoft | Also, getting "Hash Sum Mismatch" on "apt-get update" |
| 04:20.46 | Circuitsoft | No. The 64-bit wine package is just a command that gives you instructions on how to set up multiarch and install wine-32-bit. |
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| 04:23.21 | Circuitsoft | Nevermind on the update problem, but still can't install libc-bin:i386 |
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| 04:26.14 | Circuitsoft | karlpinc: Still here? |
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| 04:31.08 | craigevil | install ia32-libs, ia32-libs-gtk, although there are actual 64bit wine packages |
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| 04:34.17 | Circuitsoft | Both those packages are already installed. |
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| 04:34.59 | Circuitsoft | libwine-bin:i386 relies on libc6:i386 which relies on libc-bin:i386 which conflicts with libc-bin:amd64 |
| 04:35.44 | Circuitsoft | wine:amd64 relies on wine64-bin:amd64 which is just a small shell script with instructions on how to set up multiarch and install wine:i386. |
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| 04:44.13 | craigevil | you can always use the 64bit wine package from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 05:00.44 | mo1991 | !tell mo1991 ar |
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| 05:01.11 | mo1991 | !tell mo1991 about ar |
| 05:01.52 | bardzusny | mo1991: that's nasty, do it in private |
| 05:01.57 | bardzusny | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.06 | bardzusny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:03.57 | Dzzy | would it be wise to upgrade to the latest kernel, compiled manually, on squeeze? |
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| 05:09.24 | peterS | Dzzy: in my opinion it is not wise to ever update to a kernel compiled manually. At least, if you have to ask. Debian packaged kernels are too slick, it's just not worth it. |
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| 05:11.30 | Dzzy | i run Squeeze, and was thinking about updating to the, Sid i think it was, kernel of 3.2.x, then i realized there was a few things i might want to add to it |
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| 05:24.59 | caf | Dzzy: i've had good experiences in the past using the "make-kpkg" tool (in the "kernel-package" package) to make custom kernel build packages |
| 05:25.45 | Dzzy | back when i ran Arch, for the short period i did, there was a few patches i used to 'install' |
| 05:26.02 | Dzzy | these patches, arent even in debian packages |
| 05:26.46 | caf | make-kpkg should work fine in a kernel build tree with your patches applied |
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| 05:29.51 | peterrooney | make-kpkg is ten kinds of awesome |
| 05:30.03 | Dzzy | ill have to check that out then |
| 05:30.15 | Dzzy | not cuz you mentioned it in that context peterrooney |
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| 05:32.55 | karlpinc | Dzzy: Just get the newer kernel from backports. |
| 05:33.03 | karlpinc | !tell Dzzy about bdo |
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| 05:33.32 | karlpinc | Dzzy: That's if you really need a newer kernel. Backports does not have the same level of security support that stable does. |
| 05:33.57 | Dzzy | i feel im confident enough to secure myself |
| 05:34.07 | Dzzy | not entirely, but still |
| 05:34.18 | karlpinc | ,kernels |
| 05:34.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.19-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 05:34.39 | Dzzy | Linux kamikaze 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:35.23 | karlpinc | Dzzy: Right, so backports is the way to go. |
| 05:35.47 | Dzzy | cool |
| 05:35.57 | Dzzy | i just fear that because this kernel is rather old |
| 05:36.05 | Dzzy | not really but kind of, i should update |
| 05:36.48 | karlpinc | Dzzy: It's got security fixes backported. If it works, why change? |
| 05:36.52 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 05:36.52 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 05:37.27 | Dzzy | lmfao |
| 05:37.41 | Dzzy | im not a fan of bleeding edge |
| 05:37.47 | Dzzy | ok fine |
| 05:37.51 | Dzzy | im |
| 05:37.52 | Dzzy | uh |
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| 05:38.02 | Dzzy | im spoiled by Arch, thats wher eim coming from |
| 05:38.05 | Dzzy | its hard to adjust |
| 05:38.43 | karlpinc | Dzzy: Nice thing about stable, it does not break. And it upgrades, and you don't get strange problems (usually) because everyone else is doing the same upgrade. |
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| 05:39.18 | sebas-debian | Hi friends debianers |
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| 05:39.21 | Dzzy | any recommended reading for a debian newbie? |
| 05:39.33 | karlpinc | !tell Dzzy about overview |
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| 05:39.42 | craigevil | debian-handbook, debian-reference |
| 05:39.45 | Dzzy | when i started learning linux, i jumped in the deep end with arch, not im kind of taking it easy with debian |
| 05:39.51 | Dzzy | now* |
| 05:40.01 | blackshirt | a lot of documentations included |
| 05:40.02 | karlpinc | Dzzy: + what craigevil said |
| 05:40.43 | karlpinc | Dzzy: If you're an emacs guy, take the time to go through the tuitorial. |
| 05:40.49 | Dzzy | no |
| 05:40.54 | Dzzy | i dont even use vi(m) |
| 05:41.01 | Dzzy | ee, nano, pico |
| 05:41.03 | Dzzy | about it |
| 05:41.19 | Dzzy | (i love ee...) |
| 05:41.20 | karlpinc | Dzzy: Urg. Can't do any serious coding that way. IMO. |
| 05:41.27 | Dzzy | :P |
| 05:41.38 | Dzzy | idont code, though id like to get into it |
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| 05:42.13 | jtreminio | Evening all. In the Debian install, "Software selection" screen, is "File server" == SAMBA? |
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| 05:42.39 | karlpinc | jtreminio: Yes. |
| 05:42.43 | peterS | jtreminio: those categories are IMO too simplistic so I'd unselect it and install what you need later via aptitude |
| 05:42.44 | blackshirt | yes |
| 05:43.06 | jtreminio | peterS, I think it's apt-get install samba |
| 05:43.14 | karlpinc | jtreminio: I also prefer to install a minimal system and add what I need. |
| 05:43.15 | jtreminio | karlpinc, blackshirt, thanks. |
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| 05:45.58 | Dzzy | this will take some time to read |
| 05:46.05 | Dzzy | but thank you craigevil |
| 05:46.26 | Dzzy | and the rest, karlpinc and caf |
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| 05:50.26 | karlpinc | Dzzy: The DebianSoftware wiki page is not too long and has useful admin tips that may help you adjust from arch. |
| 05:50.54 | karlpinc | !emacs docs |
| 05:50.54 | dpkg | The emacs tuitorial, along with the rest of the emacs docs, is in the inexpliciably named emacs23-common-non-dfsg package in the <non-free> section. See also Bug #627434, <non-free sources>. |
| 05:52.17 | peterS | !emacs docs =~ s/tuitorial/tutorial |
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| 05:52.29 | peterS | errr, syntax error on my part, sorry folks |
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| 05:56.15 | Dzzy | oh, and what do i do about Skype? |
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| 06:01.32 | peterrooney | and emacs-lisp-intro was inexplicably discontinued. |
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| 06:03.25 | craigevil | Dzzy, just download it from skype |
| 06:04.18 | Dzzy | oh, cuz apt acted like i was speaking chinese |
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| 06:08.15 | MO_Handes | is it okay to just put "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" in sources.list for upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 06:08.41 | nutron | backported iceweasel on squeeze due to some sites no longer supporting such an old browser. In turn after doing so to many machines, I'd say about 60% of them now have high CPU usage by X.org. Anything known that I can do to resolve this problem? |
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| 06:10.39 | peterS | MO_Handes: that seems like the correct line, yes. You will want to edit your 'security.debian.org' line as well. even if wheezy does not have any security updates _yet_, it will eventually. |
| 06:11.15 | mo1991 | can someone point me towards a howto on how to unpack a .deb - change the debian/control file, and then repack it with only the dependancies change and have it work??? |
| 06:11.24 | peterS | MO_Handes: but try http://http.debian.net/debian, might be faster. (it is a CDN of sorts, tries to find a mirror close to you.) |
| 06:11.32 | mo1991 | been trying to use dpkg-deb -e and -r but having trouble. |
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| 06:13.25 | MO_Handes | shouldn't I put testing or unstable or something somewhere?! |
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| 06:19.20 | peterS | MO_Handes: if you say 'testing', then it means wheezy now but it will mean something else after wheezy is released. you may not be expecting those updates to continue at that time. If you say wheezy, then it will always be wheezy, before and after wheezy's release. |
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| 06:21.42 | bb_ricardo | hi |
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| 06:25.27 | bb_ricardo | having trouble editing /etc/hosts as user root |
| 06:25.34 | bb_ricardo | pemission is 644 |
| 06:25.44 | bb_ricardo | selinux is off |
| 06:25.50 | bb_ricardo | can't delete or move it |
| 06:25.58 | bb_ricardo | working with linux/unix since 10 years and never experienced this |
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| 06:26.24 | SPF | bb_ricardo: maybe the fs is mounted as readonly? |
| 06:26.25 | bb_ricardo | any idea where to look further? |
| 06:26.57 | bb_ricardo | it's directly on / partition and i'm able to edit services |
| 06:27.43 | bb_ricardo | and / is mounted rw |
| 06:27.54 | SPF | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 238 Apr 22 01:21 /etc/hosts |
| 06:28.01 | bb_ricardo | that's why i'm so confused |
| 06:28.21 | SPF | it could be locked or in use |
| 06:28.28 | bb_ricardo | SPF: thats exactly what it looks like |
| 06:29.38 | bb_ricardo | tried to see with fuser and lsof if file is in use, but I can't find anything |
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| 06:30.25 | SPF | I assume sudo lsof? |
| 06:30.31 | bb_ricardo | also tried rebooting server in my dispair |
| 06:30.45 | lasers | What would be the best way to obtain latest znc? it's not in backport. :o |
| 06:31.11 | SPF | did you check the hard drive for errors? what if you run maintenance mode? |
| 06:31.13 | kryptoz | Hi all. I was trying to install debian on a server remotely (no physical access, no cd, no ipmi/drac/ilo etc). I was looking for an easy way like the pxe images and boot from the grub for cent os. Is there such a simple way of remote installation in debian ? |
| 06:31.47 | kryptoz | I searched and only found mentioning of the grande schema of setting up tftp/pxe/dhcp server and its elaborate ! |
| 06:32.25 | nevyn | how are you accessing it? |
| 06:32.42 | zecrazytux | kryptoz: preseed install maybe ? |
| 06:33.10 | nevyn | debootstrap |
| 06:33.16 | bb_ricardo | SPF: found it |
| 06:33.17 | kryptoz | preseed also require setting up tftp/dhcp etc.. |
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| 06:33.30 | nevyn | kryptoz: what's on the system now? |
| 06:33.32 | bb_ricardo | lsattr /etc/host shows an -----i----- |
| 06:33.34 | kryptoz | nevyn, thanks, let me check on the debootstrap |
| 06:33.42 | bb_ricardo | rmoving the i helps |
| 06:33.46 | kryptoz | nevy it has rhel5 and other has fc6 |
| 06:33.48 | bb_ricardo | *removing |
| 06:33.54 | zecrazytux | kryptoz: it is possible to continue install remotely using ssh by choosing the netconsole in the expert menu. dunno if it can be combined with presseed to skip the first interactive parts |
| 06:34.05 | nevyn | kryptoz: debootstrap but it's scary... unless you have remote arm's and legs. |
| 06:34.12 | kryptoz | :D |
| 06:34.32 | kryptoz | i have a remote arm but he need to drive down next day if I screw up something |
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| 06:35.06 | nevyn | if you have remote arms and legs I'd go with get them to download the netinst and boot the installer select additional components "continue install over ssh" |
| 06:35.24 | nevyn | this will let you ssh in to do the partitioning package selection etc. |
| 06:35.31 | nevyn | they just have to get networking going |
| 06:35.41 | nevyn | kryptoz: ^^ |
| 06:36.32 | kryptoz | nevyn, I understood. But that is the very part that I am trying to avoid! :) |
| 06:37.09 | nevyn | so debootstrap will let you do it without that. but the chances of you needing remote arms and legs is reasonably high anyway |
| 06:37.24 | kryptoz | I think the neat way would be the elaborate setup of pxe/tftp. Debootstrap seems to be installing along with the current os and on to a free partition (which is not available). |
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| 06:37.40 | nevyn | so shrink something |
| 06:37.45 | kryptoz | thanks a lot nevyn and zecrazytux |
| 06:38.07 | nevyn | kryptoz: shrink a filesystem |
| 06:38.14 | nevyn | (I assume there's no data on this box? |
| 06:38.15 | kryptoz | sure. I will try that :) |
| 06:38.48 | zecrazytux | pxe is easy to setup anyway; Debian gives you prebuilt images |
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| 06:38.55 | nevyn | kryptoz: but... give your arms and legs boot/install media and use the continue install over ssh as a backout |
| 06:39.02 | nevyn | pxe no console.. hairy |
| 06:39.12 | kryptoz | zecrazytux, is it possible to do pxe with out the dhcp, I wanted static IPs for these ! |
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| 06:39.31 | zecrazytux | kryptoz: dhcp with reserved ips |
| 06:39.43 | nevyn | provision then fix networking and bounce |
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| 06:41.00 | kryptoz | zecrazytux, thanks :) |
| 06:41.34 | kryptoz | nevyn, poor guy has to drive a lot to reach there and I was trying to help him setup some easy way of remote installing the servers without visiting the datacenter! |
| 06:42.03 | g0dfrey | Errors will happen if i mount my external hard drive to /<sonewhere> then mount a iso file in it to somewhere else to install software such as matlab... |
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| 06:42.16 | peterS | kryptoz: dhcp does not imply dynamic IPs. it's easy to tell a dhcp server to hand out static IPs. |
| 06:42.37 | peterS | kryptoz: netbooting however _does_ require dhcp, or something like it |
| 06:42.40 | kryptoz | peterS, thanks I will do ip reservation based on mac address if that is what you mentioned |
| 06:42.51 | peterS | kryptoz: that's what I mean, yes |
| 06:42.57 | g0dfrey | That should be a bug with wheezy |
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| 06:43.26 | kryptoz | thanks all. Not back to work :) |
| 06:43.29 | kryptoz | *now |
| 06:43.37 | bb_ricardo | SPF: thanks |
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| 06:50.12 | SPF | bb_ricardo: lsattr? never heard of it, thanks for sharing |
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| 06:58.55 | bb_ricardo | SPF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr |
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| 07:02.48 | gnarface | sebas-debian: but nonetheless i'm just happy you got it working |
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| 07:03.21 | gnarface | sebas-debian: if you had kept asking in debian as i advised, you may have gotten an answer sooner, from someone more familiar with that driver |
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| 07:44.25 | sidro | guys, what about http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/06/21/2218226/fedora-introduces-offline-updates ??? |
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| 07:49.20 | sebas-debian | Anybody knows wildcard from dpkg |
| 07:49.35 | sebas-debian | for example install all packages with name 1.1.5 |
| 07:49.40 | sidro | will adopt debian such things ? |
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| 07:49.56 | sebas-debian | How could I do it? |
| 07:50.26 | echo_mirage | i installed squeeze on an sd-card for armel arch, after installing it asks for a root password i never set. where do i need to look for it? |
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| 07:57.09 | SpeedyG | echo_mirage: if it never asked for i, perhaps it'd setup sudo for you |
| 07:57.45 | echo_mirage | SpeedyG: ok, i have an install script, that doesnt speak of any password.. |
| 07:57.55 | echo_mirage | SpeedyG: that confused me |
| 07:58.31 | SpeedyG | yeah, not sure on it though.. but maybe try it the ubuntu way, sudo su - and see if you can become root :) (or run the script with sudo and see if that works) |
| 07:59.02 | echo_mirage | SpeedyG: i cant login ! it reboots after install, and asks for login. i have no access. |
| 07:59.15 | SpeedyG | didnt set a normal user either ? |
| 07:59.29 | echo_mirage | no. nothing i ever saw, read or did. |
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| 08:00.31 | SpeedyG | hm, as a workaround, start a livecd, add a user to that, mount the local partition and add the live-cd user by copy/paste to the local /etc/passwd /etc/shadow files .. see if you can login then |
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| 08:02.23 | echo_mirage | SpeedyG: hm yeah thats maybe possible... will this user be super user? |
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| 08:02.51 | SpeedyG | depends, you might even set the rootpw on the live cd, then copy the root entry and voila, you're root on the sd-card-install as well :) |
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| 08:03.20 | echo_mirage | then why even use a password on it, when every customer can become root anyway |
| 08:04.05 | SpeedyG | well, thats why you should A: not give them physical (console) access to the boxes, B: Encrypt the drive so that the person would need to know the encryption password as well :) |
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| 08:04.49 | echo_mirage | or i glue the sd-card into the slot |
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| 08:04.56 | echo_mirage | so they break it, when they remove it |
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| 08:05.34 | SpeedyG | haha, should add that to my list of physical security measures as well! :D |
| 08:05.44 | SpeedyG | oh, another option is to simply prevent booting from cd/usb/network |
| 08:06.35 | echo_mirage | thanks, i will try out. |
| 08:09.11 | engla | echo_mirage: you will not be able to lock out users with physical access |
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| 08:10.32 | echo_mirage | engla: so its like : "i have the drive in my hand, i can root it" ? |
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| 08:11.05 | engla | a hard disk has no concept of root anyway. It's just data |
| 08:11.20 | echo_mirage | i speak of a linux fs |
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| 08:11.47 | engla | yes |
| 08:12.09 | engla | you can encrypt the filesystem, but then your users won't be able to start the device |
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| 08:19.33 | sebas-debian | I mean *ABC* |
| 08:19.38 | sebas-debian | with bash |
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| 08:58.42 | blackshirt | good evening |
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| 08:59.42 | blackshirt | hey paypal |
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| 08:59.52 | PayPal | any con can help how to set vhost in debian? |
| 08:59.54 | mnice | hellp |
| 08:59.58 | mnice | **hello |
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| 09:00.01 | mnice | would anyome remind how we call in engrish the functionality of converting read picture with text to text ? |
| 09:00.01 | PayPal | any one can help how to set vhost in debian? |
| 09:00.04 | mnice | needa to save as plaintext one PDF with some broken fonts .. selection tools in ocular|acroread get some garbled characters |
| 09:00.35 | mnice | PayPal: meta-Q:s are pointless .. ask straightforward |
| 09:00.58 | PayPal | what do you mean mnice |
| 09:01.23 | mnice | PayPal: read over and over please until you understand ;) |
| 09:01.50 | PayPal | i try look for it and never found a result |
| 09:02.00 | mnice | PayPal: i guess you're on *ground *zero having nothing but only desired goal and you came here to get an instant resolution ? |
| 09:02.11 | mnice | bad concept |
| 09:02.54 | PayPal | i tried search on google last 2 days |
| 09:03.02 | PayPal | but still cant found it |
| 09:03.23 | mnice | for howto create virtual in debian ?? what vhost ? apache ? |
| 09:03.31 | mnice | **virtual host |
| 09:03.36 | PayPal | yes |
| 09:03.38 | PayPal | virtual host |
| 09:03.42 | PayPal | for irc purposes |
| 09:03.50 | PayPal | its a vps |
| 09:03.56 | mnice | 11:02 < PayPal> i tried search on google last 2 days |
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| 09:04.10 | mnice | ^^ reconsider please if the linux is right choice for ya |
| 09:04.26 | PayPal | why? |
| 09:04.37 | PayPal | some says better use hypervm for vhost |
| 09:04.46 | PayPal | but hypervm is not yet available for debian |
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| 09:06.00 | keyvan | hi channel. what is "rc" supposed to mean (rc as seen in "bashrc", "zshrc") |
| 09:06.09 | keyvan | and rvmrc, rubyists know of that |
| 09:06.19 | keyvan | well, those who use rvm anyway. thanks in advance for the answer |
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| 09:07.28 | ksk | http://superuser.com/questions/173165/what-does-the-rc-in-bashrc-etc-mean |
| 09:07.33 | ksk | keyvan: google, you know? |
| 09:07.55 | keyvan | ksk: oh man sometimes i just forget how... pure english ... it has become, thanks |
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| 09:08.59 | jpinx | am I right in thinking that there is no debian packaged firefox now - only iceweasel ? |
| 09:09.19 | ksk | !tell jpinx about firefox |
| 09:10.07 | keyvan | no such bot exists apparently |
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| 09:10.40 | ksk | what? the bot just told him everything he needs.. |
| 09:10.42 | jpinx | ksk: I know all that, but looking at the mozilla website it appears that the old .deb that was available for download and install is not available anymore |
| 09:10.54 | ksk | jpinx: so ask them. not debian |
| 09:11.15 | jpinx | ksk: I did - they said to ask here :p |
| 09:11.27 | jpinx | is the pingpong ball |
| 09:11.31 | ksk | what has debian todo with firefox? nothing imho :) |
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| 09:11.44 | keyvan | !tell keyvan about firefox |
| 09:11.50 | keyvan | ah sick |
| 09:12.19 | blackshirt | I think firefox was suck |
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| 09:12.36 | gnarface | i think iceweasel is better anyway |
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| 09:12.55 | jpinx | blackshirt: iceweasel is too old a version for many websites |
| 09:13.10 | gnarface | that's bullshit jpinx |
| 09:13.14 | ksk | i agree :) |
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| 09:13.44 | blackshirt | maybe not...that was the same thing |
| 09:14.22 | jpinx | gnarface: debian stable's version of iceweasel does not show many sites correctly |
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| 09:14.35 | cache_za | ya, stable can break sites quite a lot |
| 09:14.39 | jpinx | and some actually have a popup to say the browswer is too old |
| 09:15.08 | jpinx | cache_za: not so stable ? :( |
| 09:15.14 | cache_za | hehe |
| 09:15.23 | cache_za | its not the browsers fault though |
| 09:15.51 | jpinx | cache_za: yes - but we won't start the thread about website design - will we ;) |
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| 09:16.16 | cache_za | its probably just better if you know what youre doing to just keep a later browser installed |
| 09:16.32 | jpinx | cache_za: I tried swiftfox |
| 09:16.48 | jpinx | cache_za: it's in a .deb, but also too old a version |
| 09:17.04 | jpinx | websites these days suffer badly from sns |
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| 09:20.16 | ksk | why the ... does someone use debian stable for a desktop computer? |
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| 09:20.45 | jpinx | ksk - because it's ...errr... stable ;) |
| 09:21.31 | jpinx | ksk some of us need stable platform to do other "real" work on ;) |
| 09:22.42 | cache_za | im at work, its better to have something stable but my work also involves some newer web technologies some times :p |
| 09:24.05 | jpinx | cache_za: I use a vm for that ;) |
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| 09:29.41 | jpinx | bummer - even the backported iceweasel is out of date :( |
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| 09:31.24 | frank_ | hei guys |
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| 09:32.38 | frank_ | I have a question about installing ftdi-drivers on my arm debian where I only have ssh but the deployed device is firewalled |
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| 09:35.34 | xreal | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgmock" ... man, I just want to compile aptitude .-( |
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| 09:37.14 | cache_za | jpinx: does it have to be iceweasel? |
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| 09:41.45 | frank_ | may I bump my request for help - see 11:33 |
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| 09:42.38 | ksk | frank_: there is no question |
| 09:42.53 | frank_ | ok |
| 09:42.53 | frank_ | I have a question about installing ftdi-drivers on my arm debian where I only have ssh but the deployed device is firewalled |
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| 09:43.51 | frank_ | a modprobe usbserial raises FATAL: Module usbserial not found. |
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| 09:46.57 | blackshirt | usbserial with vendor and spesific product id |
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| 09:48.29 | frank_ | modprobe usbserial vendor 0x067b product=0x2303 FATAL: Module usbserial not found. |
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| 09:49.38 | blackshirt | frank_, i think usbserial was not compiled as a module |
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| 09:49.48 | ratatata | nu |
| 09:49.52 | frank_ | my sheevaplug debian seems to miss the ftdi drivers. although lsusb shows the right entries, it dosen't get attached to the /etc/ttyUSB0 |
| 09:50.11 | blackshirt | What debian version you used? |
| 09:51.23 | frank_ | inux version 3.3.3 (kelly@bbb.internal) (gcc version 4.5.3 (PlugComputer G++ 20110530) ) |
| 09:51.47 | frank_ | its debian squeeze |
| 09:52.05 | blackshirt | what ftdi device are you want to connect ? |
| 09:52.52 | blackshirt | are you sure debian squeeze using 3.x series kernel? |
| 09:53.34 | frank_ | http://www.newit.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3374.0.html I had several troubles this time with the new sheeva |
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| 09:54.00 | frank_ | lsusb shows: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| 09:54.04 | gele | !wheezy |
| 09:54.04 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 09:55.35 | blackshirt | look at kernel module directories, and search under usbserial, i think, you should find a lot of .ko files... |
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| 09:57.52 | gele | Is there any official documentation on how to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, or do I just change the apt source lines? |
| 09:58.14 | jpinx | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 09:58.27 | frank_ | where? in /lib/modules/ ? |
| 09:58.41 | blackshirt | gele, commonly just doing that, and run update and upgrade |
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| 09:59.07 | gele | blackshirt: OK, thanks. |
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| 09:59.21 | blackshirt | Frank_, yes, browse under that directory |
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| 09:59.46 | jpinx | gele - update and full-upgrade the existing system, change to wheezy in your sources list and then updae and dist-upgrade |
| 10:00.48 | jpinx | gele: see pm from dpkg |
| 10:01.41 | frank_ | blackshirt! there lays the problem. somehow my /lib/modules/ folder has a complete 2.6.36 folder with kernel folder and all drivers. But the sheeva seems to look for the 3.3.3 folder which lacks of the kernel folder |
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| 10:02.08 | g3orge | is it nesessaru to run apt-get update every time before apt-get upgrade? |
| 10:02.20 | jpinx | g3orge: preferable |
| 10:02.22 | D-Boy | orP |
| 10:02.39 | D-Boy | (oops) |
| 10:02.53 | g3orge | jpinx: why? isn't the update command for updating the sources list only? |
| 10:03.12 | jpinx | g3orge: no |
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| 10:10.13 | frank_ | can't I just set a symlink from ? to the 2.6.33 folder where everything is in place? |
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| 10:13.07 | heinrich5991 | does 'lenny no longer on mirrors' mean that the archive.debian.org lenny doesn't work anymore? |
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| 10:17.05 | jpinx | heinrich5991: the archives should be ok, only the repo does not exist anymore |
| 10:17.27 | heinrich5991 | kay |
| 10:18.30 | frank_ | jpinx, could you help me plz with this modules mismatch |
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| 10:19.20 | jpinx | frank_: sorry dude - no idea |
| 10:19.43 | frank_ | ok |
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| 10:52.10 | __zero | does anybody here use vim? I apt-get upgrade wheezy yesterday and vim stopped working for ftp files |
| 10:52.40 | __zero | i get http://pastebin.com/Nq1WPVjw |
| 10:54.02 | jpinx | __zero: depends on how you did the ugrade ;) |
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| 10:54.14 | __zero | i did apt-get upgrade |
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| 10:55.31 | jpinx | __sounds like you should stick with squeeze ;) |
| 10:55.46 | __zero | jpinx: haha |
| 10:55.57 | jpinx | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:55.57 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 10:56.33 | jpinx | __zero: ^^^ |
| 10:57.07 | Cottus | how can i find all packages installed, from unstable and experimental? |
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| 11:02.16 | Bauer1 | Who do I kill for packaging mysql with default binding to only 127.0.0.1 in Debian? :) |
| 11:02.25 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 11:02.39 | Nik05 | how do i remove a directory that starts with a -? :P |
| 11:03.06 | Cottus | Nik05, rm \? didn't work? |
| 11:03.13 | Nik05 | no... |
| 11:04.00 | Bauer1 | lol, how was it created? :) |
| 11:04.10 | Nik05 | by debootstrap... :P |
| 11:04.48 | Nik05 | its called --variant-minbase lol |
| 11:05.05 | Nik05 | oh wait |
| 11:05.20 | Nik05 | ./-- works ofcourse... oops :) |
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| 11:06.49 | boudiccas | Nik05: rename it and then delete it |
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| 11:13.33 | __zero | how do I load a saved bug report on bugreport? |
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| 11:22.31 | kryptoz | nevyn, zecrazytux thanks guys. I used the preseed file installed a remote fedora machine to debian successfully !! :) |
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| 11:31.10 | WormFood | does debian stable need to have the kernel recompiled, like some tutorials say needs to be done, to support root on NFS? (I'm so close to getting this working) |
| 11:31.32 | WormFood | I looked at the kernel options, and I could find no option for root on nfs |
| 11:32.09 | WormFood | currently I'm getting a "can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf" then a kernel panic |
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| 11:33.50 | wald0 | is SUID not nicely accepted in debian, right ? I'm thinking in to make an application run by user which requires to set/unset iptables rules, what's the recommended way to do that ? |
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| 11:37.26 | WormFood | wald0, it might be better just to make your app for use by root only. |
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| 11:37.55 | WormFood | if you want it to be for users to use, then perhaps an suid wrapper may be the way to go. |
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| 11:49.54 | nevyn | a suid wrapper and a firewall admin group? |
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| 11:59.47 | ansgar | There also already is a suid-wrapper called sudo ;) |
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| 12:06.27 | echo_mirage | how can i change the timeout for password input ? |
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| 12:13.17 | cuit | Hi, can anyone here recommend a website that could provide instructions on different ways and things required to make debian GNU a good desktop OS? |
| 12:13.46 | abrotman | echo_mirage: /etc/login.defs |
| 12:14.10 | abrotman | cuit: uhm, generally, it is a good desktop OS .. do you have something more specific in mind> |
| 12:14.14 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:16.32 | cuit | abrotman: Well to start with it's commandline, then with one of the big desktop environments it becomes a plain default install, I was looking for something that could show me ways of changing the look, maybe different DM/GUI combinations; not sure tbh |
| 12:17.00 | cuit | Something to make myself feel more at home~ ;) |
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| 12:17.20 | abrotman | cuit: we call that "vanilla" .. you can do anything you want :) |
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| 12:17.37 | abrotman | cuit: it depends which DE/WM you're using |
| 12:17.47 | cuit | abrotman: hehe, wasn't sure if vanilla was a term that gamers used |
| 12:17.56 | abrotman | isn't much of a gamer |
| 12:18.12 | cuit | neither am I but that's the context I've heard vanilla used in :P |
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| 12:18.47 | WormFood | why in the hell are the init scripts passing bad options to nfsmount, when I'm trying to get root on nfs working? I got it almost working. It detects my network, and the IP, and then it goes into an endless loop (until it reboots) saying nfsmount: bad option 'nw' |
| 12:19.15 | abrotman | cuit: anyway, the normal DE/WM docs can be used in most cases |
| 12:19.17 | nkuttler | WormFood: to annoy you? |
| 12:19.18 | lasers | Vanilla "Original game format without any mods." o.O |
| 12:19.23 | cuit | abrotman: I said DE/WM since I've seen some reaaaally really nice looking customised desktops |
| 12:19.36 | WormFood | I get that when it is running /scripts/nfs-premount |
| 12:19.38 | abrotman | cuit: i used to write my own themese .. not sure you want to go that far |
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| 12:20.47 | abrotman | cuit: customizing isn't really my thing anymore .. but if you mean functionality, that's a different problem |
| 12:20.53 | abrotman | or question |
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| 12:21.31 | lasers | I want Gnome3 with this theme. http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/24/2822891/windows-desktop-ui-concept |
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| 12:21.49 | abrotman | and why doesn't it work ? |
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| 12:24.10 | cuit | abrotman: it's a concept |
| 12:24.30 | abrotman | cuit: i meant, what's stopping him from creating it and making it work ? |
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| 12:25.06 | lasers | Me? :o |
| 12:25.12 | cuit | lasers: if they managed to implement that then it's be impression BUT then again it's windows so ew and secondly it's their Google-a-like monotone'd square-city style which looks cool for a second then, ew. |
| 12:25.39 | WormFood | has anyone managed to get nfsroot working on debian stable? |
| 12:25.45 | abrotman | you? |
| 12:25.49 | WormFood | not yet |
| 12:25.54 | WormFood | i'm still fighting with it |
| 12:26.18 | abrotman | cuit: so in terms of customizing .. which DE/WM are you looking to change the appearance of ? |
| 12:26.21 | WormFood | it appears that one of the init scripts are screwed up, but I'll be damned if I can figure out where it is even calling nfsmount |
| 12:26.25 | lasers | Well, we're here talking about wasting our times ricing to make some 'reaaaally really nice looking customised desktops' |
| 12:26.26 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Given that I've run ltsp since etch, yes. |
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| 12:26.54 | WormFood | jhutchins_lt, do you have any ideas about the problems I'm having? |
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| 12:27.52 | echo_mirage | where can i change the password rules? |
| 12:27.54 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Unfortunately no, mine just works out-of-the-box. |
| 12:27.59 | Konomi | guys I am looking at a changelog for a package and reading it it was rebuilt when the libs were updated but I think it was automatic cause the changelog shows '-- amd64 Builddd Daemon (barber) <buildd_amd64-barber@buildd.debian.org>' as doing the update does anyone know if this is automatic and no need to file a bug? |
| 12:28.40 | abrotman | echo_mirage: /etc/login.defs |
| 12:28.41 | WormFood | I think I just found my 'nw' option that was causing problems....trying again |
| 12:28.49 | jhutchins_lt | Konomi: Why would you file a bug? Is something wrong? |
| 12:29.00 | abrotman | Konomi: that's normal |
| 12:29.00 | Konomi | jhutchins_lt: I can't update cause it depends on older libs |
| 12:29.15 | jhutchins_lt | Konomi: What release are you dealing with? |
| 12:29.16 | abrotman | Konomi: can you show us in a pastebin ? |
| 12:29.17 | Konomi | I am wondering if I just wait for it to be rebuilt or do I have to file a but to let someone know or what |
| 12:29.20 | Konomi | abrotman: sure |
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| 12:30.09 | Cottus | how can i find all experimental packages i installed? |
| 12:30.14 | Konomi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/NrF01EMN |
| 12:30.45 | abrotman | Cottus: /msg dpkg which repo |
| 12:30.59 | Cottus | thnx |
| 12:31.07 | Konomi | poppler-data can replace the first two but the libtaskmanager4abi2 is required by plasma-widget-smooth-tasks which is the one that needs updating for kde 4.8 libs |
| 12:31.23 | abrotman | Konomi: tried full-upgrade ? |
| 12:31.45 | Konomi | abrotman: same suggestions |
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| 12:32.47 | WormFood | now this is interesting. I've told it to use /storage/nfs-root as root, but it tries to mount / on the nfs server |
| 12:32.47 | Konomi | this is in the changelog: http://pastebin.com/9jqYqzy3 |
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| 12:32.57 | Konomi | I believe that needs to happen again but with kde 4.8 libs |
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| 12:33.20 | boycottFB | hi |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | Konomi: dpkg --print-architecture .. says what ? |
| 12:33.42 | Konomi | amd64 more than likely |
| 12:33.52 | Konomi | yep |
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| 12:34.11 | abrotman | Konomi: feel like maybe i should point out that libplasmaclock4abi2 doesn't exist anymore .. |
| 12:34.18 | Konomi | it does |
| 12:34.42 | abrotman | judd: versions libplasmaclock4abi2 --release sid |
| 12:34.43 | judd | No package named 'libplasmaclock4abi2' was found in sid/i386. |
| 12:34.59 | Konomi | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libplasmaclock4abi2 |
| 12:35.11 | abrotman | Konomi: note teh architectures it is supplied for |
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| 12:35.24 | Konomi | hum x.x |
| 12:35.27 | abrotman | bottom of the page |
| 12:35.32 | Konomi | yeah I see what you mean |
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| 12:35.53 | abrotman | so if you hit 'n', what's the next suggestion ? |
| 12:36.53 | Konomi | they all get pretty bad from there |
| 12:37.03 | Konomi | next sugestion is leave proppler unresolved |
| 12:37.07 | Konomi | next one is remove all of kde |
| 12:37.22 | abrotman | pfft .. who uses kde anyway? :) |
| 12:37.30 | Konomi | me xP |
| 12:37.34 | lasers | What would be the proper route to upgrade one package (znc) on squeeze? There are no backport. Just grab the deb from testing (or compile)? :\ |
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| 12:37.56 | abrotman | !tell lasers about ssb |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | Konomi: can you mremove that package .. then finish your iupgrade? or is it going to take all of KDE when you do that? |
| 12:38.35 | vilpan | hi all, in attempt to install a package from testing in a stable system I've created /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; and added sources for testing, doing an upgrade tries to pull in packages from testing - http://paste.debian.net/175834/ . Why is that? |
| 12:38.38 | abrotman | Konomi: can you paste the output of "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade " ? |
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| 12:38.53 | abrotman | vilpan: dependencies .. what package is this ? |
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| 12:39.03 | mh__ | hi.. anyone know about the dmidecode tool, it prints the system's uuid.. but i dont know if there is any other way to get this value beside dmidecode, which is only available for root'alike users |
| 12:39.15 | mh__ | can i read the value from /proc or something like that? |
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| 12:40.00 | Konomi | abrotman: I don't get why libplasmaclock4abi2 is a problem cause it's not mentioned in the conflicts only libtaskmanager4abi2 is |
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| 12:40.15 | WormFood | holy shit! it works! And I don't even know what I changed that made it work. |
| 12:41.03 | abrotman | WormFood: well, that's .. good? |
| 12:41.13 | Konomi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/AirfWLsb |
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| 12:41.35 | WormFood | that is excellent! |
| 12:41.53 | WormFood | the problem was with the kernel options I was passing it. |
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| 12:42.08 | abrotman | Konomi: are you pinning ? |
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| 12:42.24 | WormFood | it does not handle wrong options worth a damn, and the error messages are very misleading |
| 12:42.31 | Konomi | abrotman: yes |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | Konomi: that might be part of your problem .. are you trying to run unstable ? |
| 12:43.06 | Konomi | wheezy |
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| 12:43.33 | Konomi | wheezy has the top priorty and wheezy is set as the default in apt.conf |
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| 12:44.06 | lasers | abrotman: Now I remember why this does not work for me before. swig and swig2.0 kept conflicting with each others. Can't compile (unmet build dependencies, swig... then when I installed that, swig2.0) |
| 12:44.18 | Konomi | anyway if you look at the packages that are suggested to be removed I can see the problem is plasma-widget-smooth-tasks depending on libtaskmanager4abi2 |
| 12:44.42 | abrotman | Konomi: wheezy may have the top priority, but your KDE seems to be firmly unstable |
| 12:44.43 | Konomi | if I was to remove plasma-widget-smooth-tasks I could update with no issue but then I'd lose that and I kinda wanna keep it |
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| 12:44.58 | abrotman | Konomi: at this point .. i'd probably go with wheezy, and let it do what it wants .. |
| 12:45.02 | Konomi | abrotman: that's cause unsable and testing have the same priorty some how |
| 12:45.07 | vilpan | abrotman: the package is eclipse, installation failed failed with unsatisfied dependencies: http://paste.debian.net/175840/ . Haven't figured this out yet either, but I'm puzzled with the upgrade as well... |
| 12:45.10 | Konomi | or more so there is only one version of the package for both |
| 12:45.23 | abrotman | vilpan: most people build eclipse from source .. the Debian packages are very out of date |
| 12:45.43 | Konomi | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/haetYqWd |
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| 12:45.44 | abrotman | Konomi: i'd really disable all sources for anything other than wheezy .. unset priorities .. see if aptitude can sort it out |
| 12:45.48 | Konomi | I've noticed this lately |
| 12:45.57 | Konomi | abrotman: it can't I tried that |
| 12:45.58 | abrotman | pinning is a really awaful way to manage a system |
| 12:46.11 | Konomi | like I said it seems the packages are the same versions on sid as wheezy |
| 12:46.16 | abrotman | it generally ends this way after awhile :) |
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| 12:46.26 | abrotman | Konomi: for that package, yes .. but for all packages? |
| 12:46.27 | vilpan | abrotman: I'd be happy with the version from testing. Anyway, do you have any advice as to why upgrade tries to pull from testing with default release set to stable? |
| 12:46.37 | Konomi | abrotman: a significant amount atm not all though |
| 12:46.40 | Konomi | a lot of kde stuff is |
| 12:47.30 | Konomi | seems like sid and wheezy are merging or something >.> |
| 12:47.34 | abrotman | Konomi: like i said .. i'd remove the other sources, try just wheezy with apttidue .. see how upset it is |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | Konomi: wheezy is about to freeze .. when that happens, sid "gels" |
| 12:48.03 | Konomi | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=pidgin for example |
| 12:48.08 | Konomi | yeah |
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| 12:48.23 | Konomi | soon sid will be my default etc |
| 12:48.34 | Konomi | anyway you can see the dep issue I am referring to though right? |
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| 12:49.06 | Konomi | I'm jst wondering how to get plasma-widget-smooth-tasks rebuilt for kde 4.8 libs |
| 12:50.45 | karlpinc | Konomi: So how then do you transition back to testing when wheezy releases? |
| 12:50.54 | Konomi | sid would be testing |
| 12:51.05 | vi390 | has someone any idea what there could be meant - when i do update-initramfs -a getting a "mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays." wanting upgrade to img-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 kernel |
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| 12:55.03 | Konomi | vilpan: btw it's probably pulling from sid cause the package isn't in stable check with aptitude versions <package> |
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| 13:00.46 | abrotman | oh jeez .. work distracted |
| 13:00.58 | Konomi | hehe |
| 13:01.01 | abrotman | Konomi: if sid will soon be your default, why not now ? |
| 13:01.09 | abrotman | tracking multiple releases causes pain |
| 13:01.12 | Konomi | shurg will do it when the updates stop coming |
| 13:01.17 | Konomi | doesn't solve my problem anyway |
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| 13:01.26 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.34 | abrotman | that package shouldn't even be required anymore .. |
| 13:01.47 | Konomi | cause plasma-smooth-tasks only has two versions one is ins table one is in unstable |
| 13:01.54 | Konomi | guess which one I already have |
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| 13:02.07 | abrotman | and does it really dependc on a misssing package? |
| 13:02.13 | Konomi | it just needs rebuilding for kde 4.8 libs |
| 13:02.17 | Konomi | no |
| 13:02.21 | Konomi | you had the wrong one |
| 13:02.32 | Konomi | it depends on older libs |
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| 13:03.21 | abrotman | the one that doesnt exist? |
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| 13:03.30 | abrotman | oh, the new one doesn't exist? |
| 13:03.33 | Konomi | yup |
| 13:03.43 | Konomi | like I said the newest is built against kde 4.7 libs |
| 13:03.45 | abrotman | that's it .. we need a static/monolithic KDE! |
| 13:03.51 | Konomi | need a new one with kde 4.8 lib deps |
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| 13:04.18 | Konomi | hey stop picking on my de ;_; |
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| 13:04.29 | abrotman | Konomi: and if you were to change to just wheezy, you'd still be stuck ? |
| 13:04.34 | Konomi | ofc |
| 13:04.40 | fasta | Where does sudo store failed logins including whatever passwords the user typed? |
| 13:04.49 | Konomi | fasta: secruity log |
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| 13:05.06 | abrotman | fasta: why the hell would it store the passwords? |
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| 13:05.24 | Konomi | fasta: sudo cat /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:05.35 | Konomi | oh it doesn't store that iirc |
| 13:05.42 | WormFood | I remember reading about a tool, that will try all kinds of ways to get out of the current network onto the Internet. Does anyone know what tool I'm talking about, and if so, what is the name of it, and is it included with Debian? |
| 13:05.43 | Konomi | just who accessed/failed at accessing |
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| 13:05.56 | fasta | abrotman: I don't know, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't storing it. |
| 13:06.17 | hansBB3s | Any idea when linux kernel started to support plain CPIO imges for initrd image, as opossed to thounted filesystem images in the past? |
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| 13:06.40 | hansBB3s | more or less. coz i dont remember it back in 2003 |
| 13:06.47 | Goeland86 | hello, I'm trying to setup an online-backup service using a debian server. I've managed to setup ecryptfs so that each user's files will be encrypted, but the problem I have is that root can see those files when the user's logged in. I'd like to prevent that, so what should I do? I tried using acl to remove root access to it, but that didn't work. What options do I have? |
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| 13:07.00 | abrotman | Konomi: i feel bad about this .. but see if #debian-kde (on irc.oftc.net) knows what happened to that library |
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| 13:07.21 | Konomi | nothing happened to it xD |
| 13:07.25 | Konomi | it went to v3 |
| 13:07.31 | Konomi | but that's a diff package :3 |
| 13:07.40 | jelly-home | Goeland86: basically, you can't reliably stop root from doing anything they want on their machine |
| 13:07.50 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 its impossible to hide it from root. |
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| 13:08.15 | jelly-home | Goeland86: even if you disabled FUSE' functionality to allow access to root, root can still su to that user. |
| 13:08.44 | Goeland86 | jelly-home: true, but su to that user without a password means the files won't decrypt, since you're bypassing PAM |
| 13:08.49 | jelly-home | Goeland86: run encryption at the client end instead. |
| 13:09.09 | hansBB3s | root have acess to full virtual memory on given system, therefor it can acess any blockdisk, memory disk, process on the system. it is a feature not bug. |
| 13:09.22 | hansBB3s | memory block* |
| 13:09.31 | Goeland86 | jelly-home: that's not what we'd prefer - ideally this would be a lightweight client-end system. |
| 13:09.45 | jelly-home | Goeland86: then you have to trust the admin. |
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| 13:10.26 | hansBB3s | jelly is right: if u mount partition over the REMOTE nfs/ssh disk for example, then even root can not see it. only end user. |
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| 13:10.31 | Goeland86 | jelly-home: mmm. I thought I read somewhere in the Ubuntu docs they had managed to do it - probably not by blocking every way through, but at least the easy ways of accessing files. |
| 13:10.38 | hansBB3s | can not* |
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| 13:11.27 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: the home partitions will be on a NAS, but using ecryptfs to safeguard the data - you're saying that if the ecryptfs mount is done through an SSH/NFS tunnel root can't see it? |
| 13:11.39 | hansBB3s | yes |
| 13:11.47 | hansBB3s | then is 100% secure |
| 13:11.52 | hansBB3s | even from root |
| 13:12.00 | Goeland86 | aha, thanks! That actually fits well with our objective. |
| 13:12.02 | Konomi | guess I'll wait and see if it gets updated or something thanks for the help all |
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| 13:13.11 | hansBB3s | but please be aware that mounting encrypted filesystem over remote ssh/whatever can have serious impact on performance. or it can even loose some data. becasue bassicly u willl preform low level disk io operations over internet [which is sometimes loosing some packets heh] |
| 13:13.22 | hansBB3s | same with lan* |
| 13:13.40 | abrotman | Konomi: did you not see my suggestion above ? |
| 13:13.47 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: so if I just set it up so my users' Private directories are on a NAS, and mounted from the NAS, then it's invisible from root? |
| 13:13.48 | simonlnu | losing* |
| 13:14.00 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 yes. |
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| 13:14.12 | hansBB3s | i mean |
| 13:14.15 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: we'll benchmark it to double-check, and the idea is to use rsync over that. |
| 13:14.19 | hansBB3s | user need to mount it LOCALLY on their computer |
| 13:14.20 | Konomi | I did |
| 13:14.26 | hansBB3s | from nas |
| 13:14.28 | hansBB3s | then its safe |
| 13:14.51 | abrotman | Konomi: i'd really suggest asking them .. the PTS seems to think everything should be okay .. i wonder if something is woefully out of date |
| 13:15.03 | Konomi | pts? |
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| 13:15.22 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 its funny coz i wanted to do the same thing few months ago :) |
| 13:15.42 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: ah. ok, now I understand better. because our idea was to set it up so they're connecting through an SSH tunnel to our server, and the server then stores it in an ecryptfs secured folder, with no one but the user having access to it. |
| 13:16.25 | abrotman | Konomi: see the package page |
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| 13:16.35 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 it should be possible. but u will need some client to actually mount the encrypted disk on client as well |
| 13:16.43 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: or, in case they need us to get files out, we have a way of reaching in, but it would involve the client handing us over an RSA key on a USB stick to retrieve their data |
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| 13:17.35 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 i strongly suggest to use truecrypt instead btw |
| 13:17.38 | hansBB3s | becasue |
| 13:17.42 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: yeah, that we're aware of. we were going to wrap the whole client end in a bash script for *NIXes and make a half-decent Flex interface for the windows folks |
| 13:17.47 | hansBB3s | it works on my oerating systems. even windows |
| 13:17.48 | ppii | hi |
| 13:18.14 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: the idea was that they'd connect to our server which would encrypt/decrypt the data from the NAS on the fly as they transmit or retrieve it |
| 13:18.18 | hansBB3s | so clients can install truecrypt on their windows ver hines, then mount the image over ssh disk and its 100% sure :) |
| 13:18.25 | ppii | hi |
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| 13:18.27 | hansBB3s | windows machines* |
| 13:18.33 | ppii | HIHI |
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| 13:19.50 | hansBB3s | also i can confirm that truecrypt over ssh disk works for 100% sure |
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| 13:20.37 | hansBB3s | or just trust the root :> |
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| 13:20.54 | hansBB3s | u can limit root acess to system btw by using selinux extensions |
| 13:21.00 | fasta | Now, if only Truecrypt wasn't such a mess one could perhaps use it. |
| 13:21.00 | hansBB3s | but its very very very very time consumingf |
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| 13:21.07 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: well ideally root can be trusted, but we're just a bit worried about someone gaining root access and therefore penetrating the whole system |
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| 13:22.14 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 as i said selinux can limit even root acess from what i know. but u are right btw about danger |
| 13:22.30 | hansBB3s | i wish that linux could have some kind of "private" and encrypted ram memory |
| 13:22.46 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: well I dunno about ram, but ecryptfs can encrypt the swap afaik |
| 13:23.06 | krisfremen | hansBB3s: make a ram drive use use /dev/shm |
| 13:23.15 | krisfremen | put an encfs on a dir and there you go |
| 13:23.22 | hansBB3s | yes it can but u cant encrypt ram - its not possible becasue of overall design of modern oses |
| 13:23.24 | Goeland86 | we'll look into SELinux, but ideally we'd be able to force our way into the backups in case of warrants or if the client has trouble with access and asks us to retrieve files for it |
| 13:23.28 | hansBB3s | in modern os kernel have acess to 10% |
| 13:23.35 | hansBB3s | to 100% of memory |
| 13:23.46 | hansBB3s | so its impossible to hide it form it |
| 13:23.52 | hansBB3s | and if kernel can acess it, so root can |
| 13:23.58 | thewanderer1 | hansBB3s, grsecurity can prevent kmem access, module loading, ptracing foreign processes, and generally make a "normal user" out of root |
| 13:24.11 | hansBB3s | ^^ |
| 13:24.21 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 thats your guy |
| 13:25.00 | hansBB3s | thewanderer1 but root can still run cat /dev/mem and read content of all memory |
| 13:25.03 | Goeland86 | seems like it hansBB3s |
| 13:25.03 | hansBB3s | ? |
| 13:25.22 | thewanderer1 | hansBB3s, well, depends on your settings - on most sane systems, this is denied :) |
| 13:25.33 | hansBB3s | intresting |
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| 13:26.04 | thewanderer1 | and, well, encrypting RAM is hardly possible, since the keys have to be stored somewhere anyway |
| 13:26.20 | hansBB3s | yeah |
| 13:26.58 | thewanderer1 | AMD is working on a dedicated ARM core stuck on top of its normal CPU, that may be a concept worth utilizing - but I don't think that, as of today, you could make a TPM handle transparent memory encryption; TPM is a pretty dumb circuit |
| 13:27.05 | hansBB3s | thewanderer1 i wonder. if root will write custom driver module and load it [and driver will just request the memory dump] it will be still prohibited by gresecurity? |
| 13:27.12 | hansBB3s | coz i highly doubt it hmm |
| 13:27.33 | thewanderer1 | hansBB3s, no, Linux is monolithic and this is one of its fallacies - a well-configured system will prevent module loading once all of them are in place |
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| 13:27.58 | hansBB3s | ok |
| 13:28.03 | hansBB3s | i need to check it out then |
| 13:28.04 | Konomi | abrotman: apparently some people are working on rebuilding it for kde 4.8 libs thanks for the redirect |
| 13:28.20 | thewanderer1 | (there is a one-way latch in grsec which locks the settings, for example module loading - once locked, not even root can change it without a reboot) |
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| 13:28.54 | hansBB3s | i was always bitching about using OO programming and "hiding" data in private classses becasue of "root have acess to it anyway!" :D but now it finally an make some sense lol. but i know its not very practical |
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| 13:29.52 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: so with a stock debian, what should I do to disable root access to certain directories? |
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| 13:30.14 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 chmod? :) but i dont advice it |
| 13:30.22 | Goeland86 | chmod how? |
| 13:30.23 | hansBB3s | chmod 007 user-directory |
| 13:30.32 | Goeland86 | hmm |
| 13:30.33 | thewanderer1 | nah, root can override that |
| 13:30.39 | hansBB3s | yeah haha |
| 13:30.45 | Goeland86 | same with acls |
| 13:30.48 | thewanderer1 | Goeland86, what is the purpose of those directories? storing backups? |
| 13:30.50 | hansBB3s | u really need to install that gresec patches |
| 13:30.51 | ppii | sure, acls |
| 13:30.55 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: yeah |
| 13:31.09 | hansBB3s | or selinux |
| 13:31.13 | ppii | maybe selinux will be better? |
| 13:31.13 | hansBB3s | but its pain to setup it |
| 13:31.16 | thewanderer1 | Goeland86, have you considered using asymmetric encryption with private keys stored off-site? |
| 13:31.17 | hansBB3s | no |
| 13:31.32 | hansBB3s | selinux takes weeks to configure properly |
| 13:31.39 | hansBB3s | coz its veeeeery flexible |
| 13:31.44 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: we're going to do that with SSH keys anways, the idea was to somehow link them to the encryption of the data |
| 13:31.47 | hansBB3s | and u need to think about every possiblity |
| 13:31.52 | hansBB3s | of file acess |
| 13:32.01 | ppii | pussy access ;) |
| 13:32.02 | thewanderer1 | Goeland86, well, you can have a site-wide public RSA key |
| 13:32.26 | thewanderer1 | encrypt with that, and if someone requires data access, then it means human intervention for reading that data |
| 13:32.55 | Goeland86 | but then every user's data will be encrypted using the same key |
| 13:33.40 | Goeland86 | we're trying to give each user its own encryption on their backups, while keeping ourselves out of it unless a warrant or the user comes at us with a specific request |
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| 13:34.00 | thewanderer1 | Goeland86, well, then roll per-user keys |
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| 13:34.24 | thewanderer1 | and you can distribute the private parts to the users via secure channels (pre-established e-mail? physically?) |
| 13:34.35 | thewanderer1 | you don't even need to keep them anywhere yourself :P |
| 13:34.39 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: that's what we'll do, but we're trying to find a way to use ecryptfs to encrypt the data |
| 13:35.04 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't call ecryptfs a good idea on a host which you don't (want to) trust |
| 13:35.07 | ppii | f*ck, i must shit up :/ |
| 13:35.33 | thewanderer1 | ecryptfs is designed for untrusted storage medium, not untrusted operation environment |
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| 13:36.51 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: the idea was that we could supply all the keys for ecryptfs from a second location, keeping the keys and data separate |
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| 13:37.08 | Goeland86 | which should in theory protect the data in case of penetration by an unknown third party |
| 13:37.26 | thewanderer1 | you need to keep the type of attack that you're protecting against in mind |
| 13:38.00 | thewanderer1 | offline attack (disk pulled out of the machine)? online attack (attacker has root)? advanced persistent threat (attacker has had root for a year)? |
| 13:38.04 | Goeland86 | well our servers are hosted offsite, and the server hosts have SSH access to root as well |
| 13:38.13 | Goeland86 | we're mainly worried about online attack |
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| 13:38.47 | Goeland86 | we have some trust of the hosters with regards to root access, and almost complete trust with regards to offline attack |
| 13:38.55 | Goeland86 | (barring a warrant) |
| 13:39.03 | thewanderer1 | with ecryptfs, the keys are stored in memory and, once someone captures it, the data can be read |
| 13:39.20 | abrotman | Konomi: sorry about your luck :) |
| 13:39.31 | Konomi | hehe |
| 13:39.47 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: true, but only if the user is logged in and has mounted the ecryptfs data |
| 13:40.04 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 13:40.10 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: therefore in case of penetration, we're only comprising a finite subset of users, instead of all of them |
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| 13:40.29 | Goeland86 | *compromising |
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| 13:40.39 | hansBB3s | install gresec as suggested. that should minimize risk of root attack. and encrypteed data will be safe in case of seizure of disk by policie [at least if u are onot from uk] |
| 13:41.07 | thewanderer1 | so, in short, you need to: 1) protect the memory (grsecurity) and 2) detect attacks as early as possible to make the scope of the attack narrow |
| 13:41.24 | hansBB3s | yup |
| 13:41.25 | thewanderer1 | since the longer the attacker stays there, the more credentials he can harvest |
| 13:41.35 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: yeah, we've got the 2nd end covered |
| 13:41.43 | Goeland86 | at least as much as we can |
| 13:41.54 | thewanderer1 | good - protection without intrusion detection would be worth nothing |
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| 13:42.05 | hansBB3s | and use monolitic kernel with no loadable modules avalible. it shoud minimize risk further [i still dont trust loadable modules] |
| 13:42.10 | Goeland86 | so grsecurity is something we add on top of a fresh install? |
| 13:42.16 | petn-randall | Hi, I'm looking for documentation on the behaviour of apt-get when there is a pipe in the recommends. We've got an application that depends on postgresql, and we want to install the corresponding postgresql-contrib |
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| 13:42.39 | thewanderer1 | hansBB3s, grsecurity can prevent loading modules, it seems to work fine |
| 13:42.54 | petn-randall | at the moment our deps are: postgresql-9.1 | postgresql-9.0 | postgresql-8.4 | postgresql (>= 8.4) |
| 13:42.56 | hansBB3s | ok then |
| 13:42.56 | ppii | uff, i make a big pooooooo :D |
| 13:43.16 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, +q on ppii? |
| 13:43.23 | abrotman | hi ? |
| 13:43.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay, so I keep tryign to get "pxelinux.0" to boot using TFTP but the system tryign to boot just does the "Trying 00:00:00:00:00" etc and then eventually failsand reboots (this is after it grabs DHCP from the PXE server as well as begins loading pxelinux.0... it tries to open pxelinux.cfg/00:00:00:00:00:00 etc |
| 13:43.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | any ideas? |
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| 13:43.43 | hansBB3s | TehRabbitt-Work what tftp client u are using? |
| 13:43.44 | thewanderer1 | thx |
| 13:43.48 | hansBB3s | i mean server* |
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| 13:44.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | tried atftpd as well as tftp-hba or whatever it is |
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| 13:44.24 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: ok, so ecryptfs with remote keys and grsec sounds like it should do the trick |
| 13:44.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | tftpd-hpa* |
| 13:44.32 | Goeland86 | now I just need to learn everything I can about it ;) |
| 13:44.43 | zwned | If I have a server that supports boot from iSCSI can I do a completely diskless boot? Or will I still need a PXE solution to load the OS from the iSCSI storage? |
| 13:45.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | zwned: Yes. |
| 13:45.19 | hansBB3s | TehRabbitt-Work i know that its silly idea but please test pxe booting with "serva32" first. its windows server. free small and polished. if u will manage to work it on it, then just move ot linux one :) it helped me to save A LOT of time in the past. i suggest it. i know its windows app but u know. :) |
| 13:45.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | you point it to the iSCSI server usually and then your zvol / virtual drive shows up as a physical hard disk to the system |
| 13:45.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | serva32? Hm. |
| 13:45.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | hansBB3s: it's free? |
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| 13:45.53 | hansBB3s | yes |
| 13:45.55 | hansBB3s | freeware |
| 13:46.04 | thewanderer1 | sounds like Windows |
| 13:46.08 | hansBB3s | it is |
| 13:46.15 | zwned | TehRabbit - Thanks - I have installed the OS to the iSCSI drive - I get to GRUB menu and select my kernal - It proceeds to boot and hangs on 1500 MTU DHCP RARP - any ideas? |
| 13:46.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | hansBB3s: well I know that the boot images work, they worked using tftpd32 |
| 13:46.31 | zwned | thought it would be as simple as the installation of the OS to iSCSI was |
| 13:46.46 | hansBB3s | im new to pxe too. i had problems with booting system over pxe, then i stated using that serva32, i got evryting right and its workign now fine even on linux server :) |
| 13:46.46 | thewanderer1 | zwned, well, the OS actually needs to have iSCSI support to boot from it |
| 13:46.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | zwned: boot order in the bios? is the controller's bios enabled? |
| 13:46.57 | TehRabbitt-Work | and what thewanderer1 said too |
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| 13:47.33 | hansBB3s | TehRabbitt-Work test it with serva32. u will then minimize sets of potential source of problem |
| 13:47.39 | zwned | yes - only HBA is selected as boot. Again, it shows GRUB so I know it is reaching the disk (iSCSI SAN) but it never finishes booting |
| 13:47.55 | thewanderer1 | zwned, it's not a magical emulated disk - the iSCSI stack is lost from memory when the kernel is loaded, so you need the initramfs to support booting further |
| 13:48.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | hansBB3s: again it works fine using windows as the server... it's been tested extensivly using windows... I want to run it off linux since i'm using mini-ITX boxes to host mutliple PXE servers here |
| 13:48.32 | hansBB3s | ok then |
| 13:48.45 | zwned | can I build in support for this after install before I reboot? |
| 13:48.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | and installing win + client on each isn't really an option :-| basically these small devices will be routers + NAT + PXE all in one |
| 13:49.13 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, well, have you got the proper path for pxelinux? does the config file exist? |
| 13:49.30 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, pxelinux expects there to be at least a pxelinux.cfg/default |
| 13:49.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | the config file does exist, (it's a folder with a file called default) |
| 13:49.38 | hansBB3s | TehRabbitt-Work im running my current machine [as we are speaking] from ram only machines booted over pxe :) |
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| 13:50.06 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, have you got some tftp log? check which files it is trying to access. |
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| 13:50.16 | hansBB3s | and dhcpd log |
| 13:50.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: it logs to syslog by default and it shows "Sending file pxelinux.0" and then thats it |
| 13:50.55 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, are the DHCP and TFTP servers on the same machine? |
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| 13:51.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | yes |
| 13:51.20 | thewanderer1 | pxelinux is supposed to try loading the config file via TFTP |
| 13:51.25 | hansBB3s | show us default pxe config please |
| 13:51.41 | thewanderer1 | the config is not loaded at this stage yet, irrelevant... |
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| 13:52.32 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, does the PXE printout show the correct IP address of the server machine? |
| 13:52.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | yup |
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| 13:53.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: it shows the IP of the PXE server on the client |
| 13:53.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | and the server's log shows the client's IP |
| 13:53.26 | hansBB3s | does it actually sent the pxelinux or it died after trying it? |
| 13:53.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | hansBB3s: no idea it stops after it looks for the "TFTP header" etc |
| 13:53.53 | thewanderer1 | it's pxelinux loading 00:00:00* so it must be pxelinux running |
| 13:54.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: yes, it goes through a huge list of stuff |
| 13:54.12 | thewanderer1 | (PXE itself has no idea about config files etc.) |
| 13:54.12 | hansBB3s | can u chmod 777 all files on yr tftp server and try once more? |
| 13:54.22 | thewanderer1 | 755... |
| 13:54.27 | hansBB3s | hmm |
| 13:54.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | like CA83298S and then CA83298 CA8329 CA832 CA83 CA8 CA C default |
| 13:55.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | and yep i tried 777 and 755 |
| 13:55.24 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, can you run tcpdump on the server and see what files are being requested |
| 13:55.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | one sec |
| 13:55.33 | hansBB3s | are u 100% sure that pxeconfig is correct? maybe it DOES load it over net but it fail to parse it for example |
| 13:55.38 | hansBB3s | coz of wrong syntax etc |
| 13:55.48 | hansBB3s | and it fails |
| 13:56.22 | hansBB3s | so entire thing stops |
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| 13:56.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm how should I be runnig tcpdump? its scrolling way too fast to read it :-\ |
| 13:56.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | pipe it to a log file? |
| 13:56.49 | hansBB3s | haha |
| 13:57.13 | hansBB3s | tcpdump|grep ip that u are intrested |
| 13:57.27 | hansBB3s | for example |
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| 13:57.59 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, tcpdump -i $interface "udp port 69" |
| 13:58.30 | thewanderer1 | also, a syntax error would produce an error message in pxelinux and a boot prompt |
| 13:58.53 | zwned | thewanderer1, does that mean I cannot proceed with diskless boot without PXE? Or can I build in support for iSCSI in initramfs? Thank you |
| 13:59.04 | proby | hi , i had installed debian squeeze and am having tow major problems , the first : when i try to execute ipconfig from terminal it doesn't find it way only by /sbin/ifconfig , and the wirelles is working malgré my card is detected !! |
| 13:59.21 | proby | *ifconfig |
| 13:59.51 | thewanderer1 | zwned, http://etherboot.org/wiki/sanboot/debian_lenny_iscsi |
| 13:59.59 | zwned | thanks |
| 13:59.59 | thewanderer1 | looks relevant to squeeze too |
| 14:00.00 | threadlock | hansBB3s: why grep? tcpdump ip host <IP> |
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| 14:00.17 | hansBB3s | proby: u might not have /sbin in your default path |
| 14:00.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | http://paste.debian.net/175856/ |
| 14:00.33 | hansBB3s | $PATH variable |
| 14:00.54 | hansBB3s | proby second question: do u see your network card in iwconfig? |
| 14:00.55 | proby | nice so i will do $PAth="/SBIN" |
| 14:01.01 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, is that all it requests? |
| 14:01.02 | hansBB3s | no :) |
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| 14:01.24 | proby | @HANSbb3S NO but i see it in iwconfig |
| 14:01.41 | hansBB3s | proby export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin" |
| 14:01.44 | hansBB3s | it should work |
| 14:01.54 | proby | yes abd now i remember |
| 14:01.56 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, what should work is su - |
| 14:02.13 | proby | @hansBB3s in iwconfig i see my card |
| 14:02.34 | jhutchins_lt | You should be working as root if you're trying to manipulate system-level networking (as opposed to userspace networking). |
| 14:02.52 | hansBB3s | sudo bash |
| 14:02.54 | jhutchins_lt | proby: This is not twitter, no need for @ |
| 14:03.03 | proby | okey |
| 14:03.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | 09:57:50.985598 IP 172.16.50.4.57090 > 0.0.0.0.tftp: 51 RRQ "pxelinux.cfg/AC103204" octet tsize 0 blksize 1440 |
| 14:03.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | 09:57:54.279787 IP 172.16.50.4.57090 > 0.0.0.0.tftp: 51 RRQ "pxelinux.cfg/AC103204" octet tsize 0 blksize 1440 |
| 14:03.15 | proby | but it was implemented first on irc |
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| 14:03.22 | hansBB3s | proby as for wifi card i cant help u. its pain to setup as newbie |
| 14:03.36 | hansBB3s | its best to use some ready to use tool instead doing it by hans |
| 14:03.39 | hansBB3s | hand* |
| 14:04.02 | proby | hansBB3s am not that newbie |
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| 14:04.22 | hansBB3s | but I'am :) [with wifi configs] heh |
| 14:04.32 | proby | if you give me instruction i can worki with it , i had installed gentoo from instructions so i think am good |
| 14:04.35 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: so I'm trying to setup grsec in the kernel - what should I look for to block root access to certain directories? I'm a little confused with all those options |
| 14:04.58 | hansBB3s | Goeland86 u will really[!] need to spend weekend over reading all documentation |
| 14:05.06 | hansBB3s | no shourtcuts in gresec as its serious pice of software |
| 14:05.10 | hansBB3s | that can break yr system |
| 14:05.19 | jhutchins_lt | Goeland86: About the only thing you can do is user-encrypt the directories. |
| 14:05.23 | Goeland86 | hansBB3s: yeah, probably. and in this case that's ok - this is a test system |
| 14:05.34 | Goeland86 | jhutchins_lt: well technically that's all we really need |
| 14:05.36 | thewanderer1 | Goeland86, go for "custom" mode, enable everything you possibly can in Grsec and PaX, and blocking access to directories shall be done afterwards, using grsecurity RBAC - this is in the grsec manual |
| 14:06.02 | Goeland86 | thewanderer1: ah ok, so it's the RBAC that sets permissions, ok. thanks |
| 14:06.04 | thewanderer1 | and yes, the handbook is a must-read |
| 14:06.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: any idea why it's blocking it? Heh |
| 14:06.08 | TehRabbitt-Work | or that it's not working |
| 14:06.24 | hansBB3s | proby every wifi cards have their own instructions and firmware and its pain to do it by hand for first time really. :( |
| 14:06.30 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, is .50.14 your server? |
| 14:06.37 | proby | okey got it |
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| 14:07.34 | hansBB3s | proby first time is always painful with linux wifi hehe it will take days lol |
| 14:08.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: no |
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| 14:08.16 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: 172.16.50.4. is |
| 14:08.28 | thewanderer1 | oops, typo :P |
| 14:08.35 | TehRabbitt-Work | lol |
| 14:08.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | well wait no |
| 14:08.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.52 | TehRabbitt-Work | .4 is the client |
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| 14:09.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah, makes more sense this way |
| 14:09.52 | dddeb | hello. I want to install nvidia gforce 2 mx 400 driver on debian. but the driver of the webpage of nvidia do not work, it says it is not for my card (but I downloaded the right one :S) can you help me? |
| 14:09.54 | thewanderer1 | okay, so the client's requests are reaching the server, but it only replies to unicast TFTP RRQ's |
| 14:10.25 | sney | dddeb: geforce 2 is only supported by the nouveau and nv drivers which are included with debian |
| 14:10.39 | sney | dddeb: the driver from nvidia.com is only for modern GPUs |
| 14:11.05 | thewanderer1 | uh, I thought it was supported with nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx ? |
| 14:11.11 | dddeb | sney : and what pakage I need to install? |
| 14:11.24 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: hm any reason why that would be? |
| 14:12.19 | sney | dddeb: normally it is already installed if you have a gui, but xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
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| 14:12.30 | sney | err xserver-xorg-video-nouveau my mistake |
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| 14:12.41 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, firewall or a strange TFTP daemon |
| 14:13.21 | dddeb | ok, I am installing it, Thanks |
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| 14:15.14 | proby | guys when am running sudo it says "sorry user cannot run cmd in host" i had add my user to the sudoers file but it doesn't work |
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| 14:15.32 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, what tftp server are you running at the moment? |
| 14:16.02 | icecdocorp | greetings everyone. Having a small problem here, on the NETinstall of Debian 6.0.5 on a Server. I'm behind a Firwall (fortigate) and when someone needs to access the web, they first have to authenticate on a webpage with a username and password. Otherwise, you can't access outside networks. So, when in the installation Debians asks me the mirror I want to use, It cant connect because it isn't authenticated. Do I have any workar |
| 14:16.05 | jhutchins_lt | proby: What did you actually add to /etc/sudoers? Did you use visudo or just an editor? |
| 14:16.13 | proby | visudo |
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| 14:16.49 | dddeb | sney : one question, If I update the kernel, I need to reinstall it? |
| 14:16.57 | thewanderer1 | icecdocorp, move the useless obstacle out of the way |
| 14:17.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Really? That's a practical solution in real life? |
| 14:17.20 | thewanderer1 | if you require a server to authenticate itself via a webpage, you've already lost. |
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| 14:18.26 | jhutchins_lt | icecdocorp: Probably the easiest thing to do would be a minimal install either from a live/installer CD or - argh, brainblank, the chroot installer... |
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| 14:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | icecdocorp: Since you need the web browser to authenticate the connection. |
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| 14:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | icecdocorp: You used to be able to get around that by setting up the net connection manually and specifying an external DNS, but that doesn't work as often as it used to. |
| 14:19.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: gr closed IRC by accident lol |
| 14:19.24 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, what tftp server are you using at the moment? |
| 14:19.32 | TehRabbitt-Work | tftpd-hpa |
| 14:19.36 | icecdocorp | jhutchins_lt: at this moment, I have a minimum install. SSH server and tittle else. The server is allready on the network, and I can SSH to it. |
| 14:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | ice lynx? |
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| 14:20.13 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, check its config file (if any) and see if it has the secure mode enabled - alternatively, see the manpage and the arguments with which it is executed and check for secure mode |
| 14:20.41 | icecdocorp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | remove secure mode? |
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| 14:21.07 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, if it's enabled, then the server will only serve files which belong to the UID of the server user... |
| 14:21.09 | icecdocorp | I am trying to avoid downloading and burning all those DVD's for a complete install :| |
| 14:21.46 | tharkun | dpkg -L lists all packages installed, but there is also another command that does nearly the same? |
| 14:21.46 | dpkg | ii lists all packages installed, but there is also another command that does nearly the same 2.4-4.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 14:22.08 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: OOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh :-| |
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| 14:22.53 | thewanderer1 | icecdocorp, as said, you can use a LiveCD which includes a browser and install manually using debootstrap... or you could try to fool the device, which shouldn't be hard |
| 14:23.21 | icecdocorp | thewanderer1: that's a good ideia |
| 14:23.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | Grrrr "Access Violation" 'Only exact filenames allowed" |
| 14:23.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | :-\ |
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| 14:24.23 | tkln | hello. i am about to build new server in the near future. i have been thinking about the disk setup with 2 one terabyte drives in raid 1 and lvm on top of the raid, but then i heard about zfs and it seemed more flexible and safe. but it looks like that there isnt too much people using zfs on linux and there is very little documentation. should i go with zfs on debian stable? |
| 14:24.24 | thewanderer1 | icecdocorp, there are only 2 ways it can recognize devices - per-port or per MAC-address. so against 1) you hook up a switch to the port and use a laptop/etc. to authenticate and 2) you hook up a laptop first, spoof the MACaddr of the server, authenticate, and then connect the server. |
| 14:25.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | "only absolute filenames allowed" |
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| 14:25.28 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, switch server to something sane |
| 14:25.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: like? Heh |
| 14:26.04 | thewanderer1 | tkln, ZFS on kernel 3.2 works mostly stable with Squeeze, but there are some zvol bugs which can result in an I/O deadlock (limited scope to zvols only). FreeBSD or Illumos are the advised choices for ZFS, otherwise go with mdraid/LVM and ext4 |
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| 14:26.12 | jelly-home | tkln: if you need it to work, use the technology you're comfortable with |
| 14:26.35 | tharkun | pats jelly-home |
| 14:26.45 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work, if hpa doesn't work, use atftpd :P |
| 14:26.57 | jelly-home | tharkun: don't get TOO comfortable |
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| 14:27.52 | mithrop | hi everyone :) |
| 14:28.30 | mithrop | I'm trying to install the SDK for Android development. No real problems with the steps, I just want to know if there is a "recommended locations" for the installation of this kind of stuff ? |
| 14:29.07 | thewanderer1 | mithrop, according to `man hier`, blobs go in /opt |
| 14:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | icecdocorp: Take a look at the network settings when you get logged in to the web site. You might be able to get a connection by duplicating whatever they are. |
| 14:29.28 | jhutchins_lt | icecdocorp: Do you know what auth system they're using for access? Who's providing the service? |
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| 14:31.16 | mithrop | ok. Actually, some "how to" (from Ubuntu doc...) tells to extract to ~/... I am not comfortable with this choice. But /opt is only writable for root, isn't it ? |
| 14:32.34 | cusco | mithrop: I would create a new hier under /usr/local |
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| 14:32.39 | cusco | mithrop: I would create a new hier under /usr/local/android |
| 14:32.39 | atula | I'm having such a hard time getting xapian to work on debian squeeze, anyone got experience in this? I've installe libxapian-dev and libxapian22 but django haystack is still complaining that xapian isn't installed |
| 14:32.41 | atula | thanks |
| 14:33.16 | atula | is libxapian-dev an libxapian22 xapian-core and xapian-bindings? |
| 14:33.32 | thewanderer1 | mithrop, well, your choices are a per-user install in home, or a global install in a root-writable directory. |
| 14:34.28 | mithrop | thewanderer1, oh ok :) Thank you :) |
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| 14:38.09 | jhutchins_lt | mithrop: ~/ is /home/<username>/ - it will most likely create /home/username/<packagename>/ |
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| 14:39.39 | mithrop | jhutchins_lt, I know ;) It was just about the choice of extract packages and binaries into this directory :) |
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| 14:40.27 | jhutchins_lt | mithrop: You can always create /home/<packagename>/ and use that. |
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| 14:41.08 | jhutchins_lt | mithrop: Still, it's fairly common practice to extract the inital files into a subfolder of the user directory, then the final install will go into the filesystem somewhere. |
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| 14:45.34 | mithrop | jhutchins_lt, ok. It seems to be a good way :) |
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| 14:52.33 | blackshirt | what mandatory access control mean? |
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| 14:55.38 | youngin | Anybody know why my WD My Book 250GB external harddrive just got so extremely slow? http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f16/wd-my-book-250gb-extremely-slow-651747.html |
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| 15:01.05 | mekeor | youngin: maybe http://superuser.com/questions/353377/why-is-my-magnetic-hard-drive-exceedingly-slow ? |
| 15:01.55 | mekeor | youngin: "Although I haven't done it yet the solution is to repartition using 8-sector boundaries (destructive) or to try to use the "WD Align" utility which is supposedly non-destructive." |
| 15:02.02 | blackshirt | what mandatory access control mean on linux? |
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| 15:03.02 | mekeor | blackshirt: there's no verb in this question. |
| 15:03.19 | mekeor | did you mean "what's the mandatory access control mean on linux?"? |
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| 15:03.32 | youngin | mandatory access control is a freebsd thing aint it? |
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| 15:05.00 | mekeor | (How) Can I search for a file with a certain xattr (extended attribute)? |
| 15:05.07 | blackshirt | sory for my bad english |
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| 15:07.10 | blackshirt | youngin, linux contains mac security, was that true? |
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| 15:07.35 | youngin | blackshirt: i dont know |
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| 15:08.06 | mekeor | blackshirt: under linux, every file has permissions ("file permissions") which determine whether (a) the owner, (b) the owning group or (c) other people can (1) read, (2) write or (3) execute the file. |
| 15:08.20 | mekeor | i'm not sure if that is what you want to know though… |
| 15:08.58 | simonlnu | he means stuff like selinux, apparmor, etc. |
| 15:09.12 | mekeor | oh… oops. :D |
| 15:09.15 | blackshirt | mekeor, that was called discretionary access control, or for short dac.... |
| 15:09.40 | blackshirt | Simonlnu,yes, |
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| 15:09.54 | simonlnu | blackshirt: there's several available, some require kernel support, some not |
| 15:10.05 | blackshirt | What the difference between mac and dac? |
| 15:10.41 | simonlnu | i couldn't answer that very well, but mac is usually much more strict |
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| 15:11.04 | simonlnu | s/usually// |
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| 15:12.45 | simonlnu | because it affects say, applications, in such a way that specific permissions are assigned to them, like reading, writing to certain directories (yes you have this with DAC, but it's [can be] much more fine grained) |
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| 15:13.56 | ICWiener | I need help installing Debian on my computer |
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| 15:14.34 | ICWiener | I had an error w/ GRUB so I used Lubuntu w/ boot-repair and it fixed it, but now I can't log in and there is no user folder in /home. |
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| 15:16.41 | jordanm | ICWiener: login as root in the console and create the home directory |
| 15:16.54 | ICWiener | I cannot log in as root |
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| 15:17.04 | ICWiener | Not even in tty1 |
| 15:17.18 | simonlnu | smells wrong partition mounted as rootfs |
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| 15:20.06 | grobda24 | ICWiener: are you talking about the grub installtion stage of the debian installer ? |
| 15:20.38 | ICWiener | Yeah that part messed up so I rebooted and used boot-repair and now it boots but w/o a user. |
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| 15:22.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | what was the command to capture the tcp packets for tftp and monitor it? |
| 15:23.15 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: tcpdump + wireshark |
| 15:23.45 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: tcpdump should probably give you enough of a clue by itself.... |
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| 15:25.19 | skutr3 | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian from the LiveCD and I'm having problems with my wireless adapter. |
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| 15:26.16 | karlpinc | skutr3: Best is to follow the instructions in the install guide. (I'm not sure that _has_ livecd instructions. ??) You have a regular nic or just wireless? |
| 15:26.17 | skutr3 | The installer says I'm missing firmware that is nonfree. I'm wondering if I should install using the wired connection I have right now, then look for the firmware. |
| 15:26.34 | karlpinc | skutr3: That's probably easiest. |
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| 15:27.18 | karlpinc | skutr3: Then you enable non-free and install the firmware. (I think often there's a single package to install. If not, then see the <pciid> factoid.) |
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| 15:27.19 | grobda24 | skutr3: you have to get the right CD with the non-free firmware already on there (think it is) |
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| 15:27.44 | skutr3 | grobda24: There is a CD with the firmware already on it? |
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| 15:28.04 | karlpinc | !installer firmware |
| 15:28.04 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 15:28.06 | grobda24 | skutr3: read the Debian manual about installation |
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| 15:28.25 | grobda24 | linked from the front site ... documents --> manual |
| 15:28.57 | karlpinc | skutr3: There's some unofficial netinstall <firmware images> that include non-free firmware. But really, it's all pretty much the same either way. |
| 15:29.15 | skutr3 | okay |
| 15:29.26 | karlpinc | skutr3: (By the time you get done finding and downloading the images you could have followed the install instructions, etc, etc.) |
| 15:30.03 | skutr3 | I don't know if I will be able to produce the error message post-installation. I'm going to go offline and see if I can get the firmware missing |
| 15:33.40 | WormFood | I remember reading about a tool, that would try all different kind of ways to get out to the internet, from an local network. It'd scan for things like proxies and gateways on the local network, and stuff like that. Do any of you know what I'm talking about, and if so, any idea what the name of this tool is? |
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| 15:34.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | OPTIONS="--tftpd-timeout 10 --retry-timeout 1 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthr$ |
| 15:34.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | does that look right? |
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| 15:35.29 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 15:36.40 | last1 | I have a script that refuses to startup at boot time. |
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| 15:36.59 | WormFood | last1, are your permissions and ownership set properly? |
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| 15:37.05 | last1 | chkconfig --list shows me it's configured to run at levels 3,4,5 |
| 15:37.27 | last1 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14894 2012-06-19 16:11 /etc/init.d/vicidial |
| 15:37.34 | last1 | if I run it manually, everything is fine |
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| 15:37.54 | last1 | vicidial 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off |
| 15:38.12 | last1 | all the links are done properly in /etc/rcX.d/ and /etc/init.d |
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| 15:38.45 | WormFood | hhhmmm...dunno off the top of my head |
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| 15:39.20 | last1 | is there a log of the bootup process ? I see nothing in dmesg |
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| 15:43.59 | jordanm | last1: /var/log/dmesg is a snapshot of kmsg from boot. for anything else, you need bootlogd |
| 15:44.09 | nightfrog | How is iptables started and stopped manually in Debian? Everything I find on google is not working |
| 15:44.34 | jordanm | nightfrog: manually? start: add an iptables rule. stop: iptables -F |
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| 15:44.55 | last1 | jordann: I enabled bootlogd |
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| 15:45.01 | last1 | and I have more stuff in /var/log/boot |
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| 15:45.14 | last1 | but I don't see the script executing |
| 15:45.20 | last1 | how can I debug this even further ? |
| 15:45.26 | nightfrog | jordanm: Oh, so when a rule is added it is started? |
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| 15:45.40 | jordanm | last1: /var/log/daemon.log is also a possibility |
| 15:46.04 | jordanm | nightfrog: yes, its always running, but does nothing until you have rules |
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| 15:47.10 | TheSin | there wouldn' thappen to be a debconf expert here would there? I dont' mean to use debconf, I make to compile it for an other platform |
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| 15:48.40 | TheSin | I keep getting http://paste.lisp.org/display/130223 during make, if I rerun it for each lang to fail that way then run it once more it goes through, but why is that happenning? if it a fault in po4a? |
| 15:49.28 | jordanm | TheSin: the author would be the real expert. what are you trying to port it to? |
| 15:50.35 | TheSin | darwin/fink, I want to use debconf in my pkgs as I love debconf |
| 15:51.21 | TheSin | it's been a pain so far since our gettext is only 0.17 with a bad bug in it, but I hope I've got them all now, but this error makes me thing I'm still missing one someplace |
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| 15:52.32 | jordanm | TheSin: debconf-devel@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:53.03 | TheSin | thanks jordanm, appreciate the pointer in the right direction, I'll send them a msg and see if that helps |
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| 15:56.01 | iluminator105 | how can you bypass a port blocking of ssh |
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| 15:56.35 | jordanm | iluminator105: contact the administrator that setup the block |
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| 15:57.38 | karlpinc | iluminator105: What are you really trying to do? |
| 15:58.09 | TehRabbitt-Work | does PXE really take like 10 min to try all the different things? |
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| 15:58.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/C0A80146 |
| 15:58.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | etc |
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| 15:58.42 | iluminator105 | karlpinc, i am in a public network trying to connect to my pc...most ports are blocked on this network |
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| 15:59.18 | karlpinc | iluminator105: You could could sshd on port 80 on your pc. |
| 15:59.25 | TheSin | jordanm, <debconf-devel@lists.debian.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 13). |
| 15:59.27 | karlpinc | s/could could/could run/ |
| 15:59.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | anyone :-\ |
| 15:59.54 | scanf | hi, where can i find a revision of a package other than the current one |
| 15:59.56 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: pxe is bios, and has strange timeouts. |
| 16:00.06 | karlpinc | !tell scanf about overview |
| 16:00.13 | jordanm | TheSin: sorry, lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 16:00.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: so waiting 10 min for it to get to "default" and then fail anyway is normal? Heh |
| 16:00.16 | scanf | i need linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64_2.6.32-41_amd64.deb but the mirrors only have linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64_2.6.32-45_amd64.deb |
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| 16:00.51 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: Probably not. |
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| 16:01.11 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: (I always have trouble with the syslinux part of the pxe boot.) |
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| 16:01.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | it finds the entry point it jsut wont boot |
| 16:01.56 | scanf | :P |
| 16:02.24 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: (The strangest thing about syslinux is that, iirc, if there a '.exe' extension, or _something_, then something does not work. It's documented in some corner of the docs.) |
| 16:02.36 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: wtf lol |
| 16:02.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | well strangly enough all i get is this |
| 16:02.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | 11:57:31.297641 IP 172.16.50.4.57090 > 0.0.0.0.tftp: 51 RRQ "pxelinux.cfg/AC103204" octet tsize 0 blksize 1440 |
| 16:02.49 | karlpinc | scanf: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:03.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | i've tried tfptd-hpa as well as atftpd no luck with either. |
| 16:03.49 | trysten | , tdfsb |
| 16:03.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | and thats the DHCP settings |
| 16:04.04 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: I used tftpd-hpa.... Are you using a tftp client and testing that the tftp part works? |
| 16:04.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | yep |
| 16:04.12 | TehRabbitt-Work | it works :-| |
| 16:04.14 | scanf | karlpinc: run an 2.6.32 openvz kernel |
| 16:04.47 | karlpinc | scanf: Considered using <lxc>? IIRC openvz will be depreciated in debian. |
| 16:04.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | tftp> get pxelinux.0 |
| 16:04.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | Received 13462 bytes in 0.0 seconds |
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| 16:05.45 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: And the packet dump looks different? (You're _sure_ it's not getting the tftp image when trying to boot?) |
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| 16:05.50 | scanf | karlpinc: yes LXC is not ready for primetime |
| 16:06.09 | scanf | openvz is tested and true and lacks the glaring security vulnerabilities of lxc |
| 16:06.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: no no it's getting the tftp image |
| 16:06.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | but its doing this: |
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| 16:06.47 | karlpinc | scanf: Interesting. I thought they shared a lot of code. |
| 16:07.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | http://paste.debian.net/175881/ |
| 16:07.30 | karlpinc | scanf: Anyhow, if you can't get what you want pre-packaged you may have to build your own. See the <make-kpkg> factoid. |
| 16:07.48 | scanf | yes i know how to use debian |
| 16:07.58 | trysten | hey now |
| 16:08.04 | scanf | i was hoping there was some mirror snapshotting going on |
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| 16:08.19 | scanf | but i guess once a package is updated on stable the previous package is gone for good |
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| 16:08.45 | karlpinc | !snapshot |
| 16:08.46 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 16:09.31 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: That looks familiar. I don't recall what I did to fix things.... |
| 16:10.35 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: I forget the whole process. Isn't the kernel loaded tftp after the syslinux bootloader? Does the kernel/whatever the next thing is tftp manually? |
| 16:10.50 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: You might talk with the syslinux people. (There must be a channel somewhere.) |
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| 16:15.08 | krisfremen | hey guys, what's the easiest way to transfer applications without restarting them from one x11 display to another? |
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| 16:16.25 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: I suspect I read the syslinux docs. |
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| 16:16.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | syslinux? |
| 16:16.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm |
| 16:17.02 | karlpinc | krisfremen: X11vnc? What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:17.18 | karlpinc | TehRabbitt-Work: That's the bootloader that's giving you those messages. |
| 16:17.39 | UNG | I just installed debian from the dvd#1. Why does it keep asking me to insert that disk when i want to install new packages from the internet? |
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| 16:17.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | karlpinc: Hm |
| 16:18.07 | karlpinc | UNG: You didn't install from the netinstall, so it assumes you want to get your stuff from dvd. |
| 16:18.07 | ksk | UNG: remove the cdrom line from your sources.list |
| 16:18.14 | karlpinc | !tell UNG about sources.list |
| 16:18.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | the weird thing is it works fine when using tftpd32 on windows xp... but as soon as I try to boot it using debian's TFTPD it fails |
| 16:18.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | :( |
| 16:18.25 | krisfremen | karlpinc: I run my physical monitors at home, but I have to go to work for example |
| 16:18.36 | UNG | ok thx for the info |
| 16:18.46 | dawud | quit |
| 16:18.48 | krisfremen | I have an NX session so I can get the screen fullscreen, if I do vnc, I can get the same, but I can't resize the display |
| 16:18.51 | dawud | sorry |
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| 16:19.08 | krisfremen | which is something I need, because resolution can be anywhere from 1024x768 to a 4 monitor display |
| 16:19.31 | karlpinc | krisfremen: Do you want the desktop or just the apps? |
| 16:19.37 | krisfremen | just the apps |
| 16:19.47 | krisfremen | I remember reading something about xmove? |
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| 16:20.27 | krisfremen | karlpinc: also xpra,but never was able to get it working |
| 16:20.56 | karlpinc | krisfremen: I don't know the right answer. perhaps #X11 (I think that's the channel.) Or ask here again later. |
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| 16:21.52 | karlpinc | krisfremen: I keep wanting to try xdmx. That might do what you want, although it'd be a bit of a strange way to solve the problem -- splitting a desktop between here and there. |
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| 16:23.18 | karlpinc | krisfremen: I'd be curious as to what you come up with. |
| 16:23.55 | krisfremen | karlpinc: hmm.. interesting.. I'll try it out |
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| 16:24.27 | krisfremen | says distributed, just wondering how distributed |
| 16:24.32 | karlpinc | krisfremen: The potential for recursion sounds a bit dangerous. |
| 16:25.08 | krisfremen | well, I use two different displays right now.. not sure if xdmx does what I want it to do.. but I'll try it |
| 16:25.54 | phoohb | Hello, I have wrong screen -resolution, too low. Cant change it in xorg.conf. Whats up??? |
| 16:25.57 | krisfremen | if I can pretty much "move" an application between different "displays", that's waht I want |
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| 16:27.41 | karlpinc | krisfremen: I'm sure you could do something with socat and a "virtual display". But surely there's no point in rolling your own solution. |
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| 16:28.38 | krisfremen | karlpinc: I'm sure I can use Xvfb to do what I'm trying to do.. but I don't want that, since it's quite the hassle |
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| 16:30.08 | proby | hi guys when i try make it does command not found what is going on??? |
| 16:30.44 | karlpinc | krisfremen: Right. Xvfb would do it. I'd say either ask google or the #X(something) channel. |
| 16:30.53 | phoohb | seams as the xorg -radeon driver now just supports 1024x780 as highest. I had higher resolutin before, strange. Any hint? |
| 16:30.54 | krisfremen | karlpinc: hmm.. it could be working.. I think :P |
| 16:30.59 | karlpinc | proby: You don't have make installed? |
| 16:31.23 | karlpinc | proby: You probably want the build-essentials package. |
| 16:31.34 | karlpinc | krisfremen: "it"? |
| 16:31.34 | proby | even gcc or cc isn't it installed by deffault?? |
| 16:32.05 | karlpinc | proby: Very very little is installed by default. |
| 16:32.21 | proby | okey pfffff |
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| 16:34.49 | krisfremen | karlpinc: xdmx, but nope.. can't get it to work :/ |
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| 16:36.03 | karlpinc | krisfremen: It does not sound like the right approach anyway. |
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| 16:37.23 | phoohb | Hey.. another thing. I press "Aterm" in the menu, and gets.. something else: echo $TERM. gives: rxvt |
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| 16:40.54 | phoohb | Tell me something. |
| 16:41.02 | krisfremen | hmm.. well what I can do is just use nx straight through... |
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| 16:45.10 | abrotman | phoohb: you can make that say anything you want .. |
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| 16:49.15 | phoohb | dono what "rxvt" is anyway, its not installed. |
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| 16:49.58 | phoohb | just know its not my ordinary console/vterm. Used Aterm |
| 16:50.20 | abrotman | okay |
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| 16:51.36 | _riz_ | Anyone know anything about preseeding here? I've got it mostly working, except I want to have a static IP after install |
| 16:52.08 | _riz_ | someone suggested this in my preseed file, but it doesn't work: |
| 16:52.09 | _riz_ | d-i preseed/early_command string echo d-i netcfg/get_ipaddress string \ |
| 16:52.09 | _riz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.09 | _riz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.09 | _riz_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.01 | _riz_ | 4 lines? yeesh. Anyway, http://codepad.org/ETdWHC2C |
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| 16:54.49 | _riz_ | The codepad snippet seems to work ok as far as getting the IP address |
| 16:55.04 | phoohb | abrotman: can I say anything? (maybe, f*** u nvidia, im using radeon... but have wrong resolution also... |
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| 16:57.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | wait.. something is def wrong here |
| 16:57.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | 12:47:52.618159 IP 172.16.50.5.2071 > 172.16.50.1.46625: UDP, length 4 |
| 16:57.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | 12:51:43.279148 IP 172.16.50.5.57090 > 0.0.0.0.tftp: 51 RRQ "pxelinux.cfg/AC103205" octet tsize 0 b |
| 16:57.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | why's it going to 0.0.0.0 |
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| 16:58.13 | phoohb | TehRabbitt-Work: dono, maybe as cat > /dev/nul. A guess |
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| 17:09.43 | trysten | TehRabbitt-Work: 0.0.0.0 is localhost |
| 17:10.50 | beardy | No, it is the default route. |
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| 17:17.59 | phoohb | Strange. Im running something new "aterm-xterm", not just "aterm" (my tint values in the file .Xresources doesnt affec this mod thing). |
| 17:18.07 | abrotman | phoohb: what? |
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| 17:18.31 | proby | guys when i tape make it says command not found , what package do i need to install ?? (even gcc , cc) |
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| 17:20.21 | proby | !ping |
| 17:20.21 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:20.35 | proby | guys when i tape make it says command not found , what package do i need to install ?? (even gcc , cc) |
| 17:21.17 | peterrooney | proby: make, but to answer this question for any other "command not found", run 'aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search <somecommand>' |
| 17:21.20 | rm-rf | proby: 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' |
| 17:21.34 | proby | rm-rf thx |
| 17:21.46 | rm-rf | but if you want to take the 'teach a man to fish' approach, take a look at the reply from peterrooney |
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| 17:22.53 | proby | rm-rf i don't want to download every software aside |
| 17:23.02 | proby | so i wont look to his commen |
| 17:23.03 | proby | t |
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| 17:23.42 | proby | i had installed squeeze in my laptop and am getting some problems , i know how to fix them tow years ago but now i had forgotten everything |
| 17:23.55 | proby | btw how to write the path var to bashrc |
| 17:23.56 | proby | ?? |
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| 17:26.13 | proby | guys when i paste anything from the browser to terminal it doesn't work , how to fix it?? |
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| 17:29.28 | phoohb | ... update-alternatives --display aterm ... (why does this have old afterstep erm have alternitives, do I dear change it???) |
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| 17:31.46 | ppii | sorry, my keyboard is broken |
| 17:32.39 | Diopter | spamtacular |
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| 17:33.25 | phoohb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw |
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| 17:34.32 | TehRabbitt-Work | this TFTP crap is driving me insane :( |
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| 17:35.04 | kevlarman | TehRabbitt-Work: that's what tftp is designed for |
| 17:35.17 | kevlarman | 1) fitting in tiny roms 2) pissing people off :P |
| 17:35.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | Heh |
| 17:35.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | Jun 22 13:27:04 NEAT-001 in.tftpd[1601]: tftp: client does not accept options |
| 17:35.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | wwwttttfffffff |
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| 17:47.33 | phoohb | What is wrong, follow this: /usr/bin/aterm -> /etc/alternatives/aterm, /etc/alternatives/aterm -> /usr/bin/aterm-xterm (aterm works correctly with .Xresources, aterm-xterm dont) |
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| 17:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | . |
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| 17:55.04 | proby | when i mount a partition it is allawys readonly how to solve that?? |
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| 17:56.04 | tharkun | Does debian require a DB on its most basic configuration or does it depends on what its function will be? |
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| 17:56.30 | proby | hen i mount a partition it is allawys readonly how to solve that?? |
| 17:56.33 | ksk | proby: /etc/fstab , take a look if it says "ro" for readonly for that partition. if not, check dmesg/syslog what faield |
| 17:56.36 | ksk | *failed |
| 17:56.49 | proby | ksk okey |
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| 17:56.58 | ksk | and stop spamming :> |
| 17:57.10 | ksk | tharkun: what kind of "DB" do you mean? |
| 17:57.11 | tharkun | proby: or better yet add a rw on the fstab line to it |
| 17:57.21 | tharkun | ksk: postgresql or mysql |
| 17:57.35 | proby | ok |
| 17:57.36 | ksk | dont think so. that would be kinda bloated!? |
| 17:57.46 | tharkun | ksk: but never mind even sqlite3 is not mandatory so my question is selfanswered |
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| 17:58.41 | ksk | im wondering why that would be a restriction? |
| 17:58.50 | ksk | you dont like databases, personally? xD |
| 17:59.31 | proby | tharkun when i added rw it says now access is denied |
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| 18:00.33 | karlpinc | proby: It's a lot harder to help if you don't show us both what you are doing and the exact error message. |
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| 18:01.45 | trysten | how do the scripts inside initrd know how to mount the right root disc? |
| 18:02.20 | karlpinc | trysten: Generally, they don't. The root fs is mounted by the kernel and the bootloader passes it as a kernel parameter. |
| 18:02.50 | proby | karlpinc here is my fstab http://pastebin.com/ucRbDeqa |
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| 18:05.23 | karlpinc | proby: And what partition are you trying to mount? |
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| 18:05.51 | proby | **/dev/sda1 |
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| 18:06.07 | trysten | karlpinc: OH! of course it is! i knew that.. i was confused by init.d/mountall.sh |
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| 18:08.01 | trysten | karlpinc: so lets say i didn't pass anything to the kernel, is there a way to restart the pivot process once i've mounted the correct one from inside the initrd shell? |
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| 18:14.05 | scanf | karlpinc: yes but, where on snapshots.debian.org can you actually download a .deb |
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| 18:15.34 | scanf | nevermind |
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| 18:19.27 | derpella | Hello, I have a problem with hibernation and suspensions. After waking up, the laptop is responsive, but the screen is glitched (a small screen area from top left corner repeated all over) |
| 18:19.34 | Guest65548 | I have an I7 HP dv7 laptop and I cannot install debian wheezy amd64- the installation works fine, everything is cool, but at reboot the network card is shut off, and I cannot get into GNOME (GDM) so I get only an cli - I know the installation is fine because I moved the hard disk to another computer, any hints what to do ? |
| 18:19.43 | karlpinc | trysten: The initrootfs has a little shell in it that can do anything. How easy it is to do I can't say. Does not sound hard. |
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| 18:21.37 | karlpinc | Guest65548: First off, wheezy breaks. You want support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Have you cold booted and see of the nic will then work? (I've a netbook with a broadcomm chip that's got that problem.) Could be hardware support.... |
| 18:21.45 | karlpinc | !tell Guest65548 about pciid |
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| 18:23.01 | karlpinc | !oftc |
| 18:23.01 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 18:23.33 | Guest65548 | karlpinc: thanks a bunch - will try to do that - however, I can bring up the eth0, but still gdm does not bring the GNOME up, that makes me worry a bit, |
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| 18:25.42 | jhutchins_lt | what's that trick where you edit/remove a udev rule to renumber ethernet adapters? |
| 18:25.50 | karlpinc | !70 |
| 18:25.51 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 18:31.05 | karlpinc | Wow. Something really wonky has happened to e16. The mouse moves, but does not seem to interact with anything at all except for the workplace switcher applet. Any clues on how to recover? (squeeze) |
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| 18:36.14 | fasta | How can I install all dbg packages on my system? |
| 18:36.44 | fasta | That is, only those for which I have packages installed already. |
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| 18:38.29 | ner0x | Where could I find a commercial fax board that would work on a linux box and connect to multiple phone lines. |
| 18:39.07 | karlpinc | humm. eesh restart seemed to fix it.... |
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| 18:40.07 | karlpinc | ner0x: Best thing is probably to look in the linux-doc package under 'serial' and see what's there. Or maybe the hylafax documentation. |
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| 18:41.02 | karlpinc | ner0x: Or the install guide under supported hardware. |
| 18:41.11 | karlpinc | ner0x: or #hardware |
| 18:41.14 | ner0x | That could work. |
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| 19:04.18 | Circuitsoft | I'm trying to install grub on an imsm raid1 drive, but I get "grub-probe: error: no such disk." |
| 19:04.23 | Circuitsoft | Any ideas? |
| 19:04.40 | Circuitsoft | BTW, this is grub-pc on squeeze. |
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| 19:05.35 | Circuitsoft | I'm using mdadm to define the raid array. |
| 19:05.36 | fasta | How can I check whether a given package is available efficiently? |
| 19:05.43 | Circuitsoft | My boot volume is /dev/dm125. |
| 19:05.54 | Circuitsoft | fasta: apt-cache search <packagename> |
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| 19:07.30 | fasta | Circuitsoft: apt-cache policy gccdadasdasd returns an exit status of 0. |
| 19:07.47 | MarkFeatherston | Is there a common tool or set of scripts used to automate building packages for a debian release? |
| 19:07.55 | fasta | Circuitsoft: I cannot believe they did that. |
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| 19:08.23 | abrotman | fasta: apt-show-available ? |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | fasta: or use grep |
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| 19:11.54 | MarkFeatherston | nevermind, found autobuilder/builddd |
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| 19:18.09 | larsweb | hi, I have a problem with lenny where the ssh-connection "crashes/halts" when i output more than a few lines of text through ssh. That means that i cant use "less" to view logs or (h)top to view load. I think it might be some tty-problem? Has anyone experienced this? |
| 19:18.36 | fasta | abrotman: where is apt-show-available? Using apt-cache is terribly slow. |
| 19:18.56 | gotmynick | larsweb, real machine or kvm ? |
| 19:19.07 | fasta | abrotman: I don't really think grep is a good idea, because it would mean that I am not using any 'API'. |
| 19:19.21 | abrotman | why do you need an API ? |
| 19:19.22 | larsweb | gotmynick, virtual... |
| 19:19.37 | fasta | abrotman: such that it doesn't break in 10 years. |
| 19:19.47 | larsweb | gotmynick, openvz i think... |
| 19:19.48 | gotmynick | larsweb, more than one virtual machine present ? |
| 19:19.49 | abrotman | fasta: do you really think they'll break grep exit codes or -c ? |
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| 19:20.02 | gotmynick | ah... then it is not the issue I experienced |
| 19:20.07 | larsweb | gotmynick, I only have access to this one on the server |
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| 19:20.13 | fasta | abrotman: no, I mean the file layout. |
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| 19:20.30 | fasta | abrotman: I don't even know which file I should look at. |
| 19:20.31 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 19:20.43 | zmitya | in wheezy, the syslog-ng version is 3.3 |
| 19:20.44 | abrotman | fasta: apt-cache policy | grep .. grep the correct stuff , etc |
| 19:20.58 | zmitya | in 3.3, how can I disable logginf from /proc/kmsg ? |
| 19:21.01 | fasta | abrotman: I already did that. |
| 19:21.06 | abrotman | so what's wrong ? |
| 19:21.19 | fasta | abrotman: it is terribly slow. |
| 19:21.32 | abrotman | grep-dctrl ? |
| 19:21.45 | fasta | abrotman: ? |
| 19:21.56 | gotmynick | fasta, maybe you want to take a look at dpkg-query |
| 19:21.59 | fasta | abrotman: the problem is calling apt-cache thousands of times. |
| 19:22.18 | abrotman | why woudl you do that? |
| 19:22.44 | fasta | abrotman: because I want to install all dbg packages for all installed packages. |
| 19:23.17 | fasta | Easy to write a script, but Debian just doesn't expose efficient APIs for basic information. |
| 19:23.26 | abrotman | oh dear .. |
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| 19:23.50 | fasta | abrotman: oh dear what? |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | fasta: apt-cache -- search -dbg | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get -y install |
| 19:24.11 | abrotman | hides |
| 19:24.27 | abrotman | oh, ony installed .. that may be easier |
| 19:24.43 | abrotman | wait .. hrm .. |
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| 19:25.15 | kevlarman | dpkg --get-selections, append -dbg and ignore errors? |
| 19:25.17 | dpkg | kevlarman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | hehe .. pretty much |
| 19:25.27 | kevlarman | dpkg: quiet |
| 19:25.27 | dpkg | ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is. |
| 19:25.31 | fasta | abrotman: you do know the very first thing I said was that I wanted something efficient, right? So far, you have only ignored that. |
| 19:26.15 | kevlarman | fasta: iterating over the output of dpkg --get-selections *is* fast |
| 19:26.23 | fasta | kevlarman: are you saying that apt-get install gcc asdasjhdasdlasjdaskjdas is going to work? |
| 19:26.27 | abrotman | fasta: dpkg -l | egrep ^ii | awk '{print $1"-dbg"}' | xargs apt-get -y install |
| 19:26.29 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 19:27.12 | abrotman | sorry, should be $2 |
| 19:27.40 | beardy | Twofitty! |
| 19:27.41 | ompaul | running that without the install part real 0m0.142s |
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| 19:27.49 | abrotman | too slow! |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | faster! /me whips ompaul |
| 19:28.13 | gotmynick | awk '/^ii/{print $2"-dbg"} and get rid of the egrep |
| 19:28.25 | abrotman | gotmynick: or that .. yes :) |
| 19:28.43 | ompaul | abrotman: serious improvement over the previous (apt was ) real 0m0.552s |
| 19:28.47 | fasta | So, does the apt-get install dasdasudkadasjdad part work? |
| 19:28.50 | beardy | timed them all, wonders if he wrote it down in the factoid.. |
| 19:29.09 | fasta | Or rather apt-get -y install asfsdfsdfd |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | if the package is available |
| 19:29.36 | fasta | abrotman: I mean, whether it will error out if one of the packages doesn't exist. |
| 19:29.46 | fasta | abrotman: because if that's the case, your solution is not actually a solution. |
| 19:29.49 | abrotman | there is a -m to pass to apt-get to ignore missing .. if you'd looked, you'd have found it |
| 19:29.54 | abrotman | quit bitching, start reading |
| 19:30.01 | ompaul | awk version did it in real 0m0.078s |
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| 19:30.18 | fasta | abrotman: ok, well ,still it is bad API design. |
| 19:31.28 | abrotman | fasta: file a bug |
| 19:32.05 | fasta | I think the manpage is also not clear. |
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| 19:32.35 | fasta | So, one still has to hope this works. |
| 19:32.38 | abrotman | file a bug about the man page |
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| 19:36.26 | nerdistmonk | where would the build scripts for a package be located at? |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | !tell nerdistmonk about debian/rules |
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| 19:37.19 | nerdistmonk | wow so that doesnt tell me where it would be located |
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| 19:38.15 | abrotman | nerdistmonk: the things in <foo> are other items to ask the bot about .. <source> might be helpful |
| 19:38.16 | raptor67682 | wow debian ! |
| 19:38.26 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.34 | abrotman | nerdistmonk: /msg dpkg source |
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| 19:39.12 | ompaul | raptor67682: that's seven years old :) |
| 19:39.18 | nerdistmonk | *bangs head into wall and says forget it |
| 19:39.32 | raptor67682 | ompaul: yes. we still use sarge here |
| 19:39.39 | abrotman | .. |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | nerdistmonk: not sure what else you want ? |
| 19:39.56 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.51 | nerdistmonk | Ok let me phrase it like this, Pulseaudio stinks.....I want to build the git version and do a in-place upgrade the newest stuff, but debian expects a bunch of packages so i can satify its dependencies for pulseaudio.....i dont know how to go about this i guess |
| 19:42.01 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: is this to test something? or you want to actually replace it? |
| 19:42.04 | abrotman | nerdistmonk: ah .. you may want "/msg dpkg uupdate" |
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| 19:42.38 | nerdistmonk | huh? no test pulseaudio crashes like mad, i want the newest git 2.98 version but it isnt going to be a package so how do i replace the package version? |
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| 19:43.38 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: apt-get build-dep pulseaudio && apt-get source pulseaudio |
| 19:43.52 | nerdistmonk | thats just going to be the source to 2.0..... |
| 19:43.56 | nevyn | right |
| 19:43.56 | nerdistmonk | its not the latest git build |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | judd: versions pulseaudio |
| 19:44.05 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 2.0-3; wheezy: 2.0-3 |
| 19:44.23 | nerdistmonk | git is on 2.98 |
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| 19:45.14 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: then replace the source with 2.9 update the stuff in debian/ to have the new version and -sns on the package name |
| 19:45.29 | nerdistmonk | ..? |
| 19:45.42 | nevyn | then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 19:45.44 | raptor67682 | a question. |
| 19:46.02 | raptor67682 | on sarge , I can ping 192.168.1.4 it works, but apt-get update not ... strange |
| 19:46.02 | nerdistmonk | some locations and commands would be nice i havent had to do this before... |
| 19:46.05 | raptor67682 | what could it be? |
| 19:46.28 | raptor67682 | (my router are ok. I add to modprobe the pcmica drivers...myself) |
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| 19:47.05 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: ok.. step one. ensure you have enabled a deb-source repo in your apt sources |
| 19:47.11 | nerdistmonk | ok |
| 19:47.22 | raptor67682 | I did : ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.12 to put workning the eth0 |
| 19:47.34 | antiisolo | I tried to apt-get install mysql (5.1) and there was some weird invoke-rc.d error. So I have tried to remove it, now everytime I apt-get anything it tries to install mysql because its an unfinished installation. Anyway to stop this? |
| 19:47.36 | raptor67682 | but internet www not working, as well as apt-get update not working either |
| 19:47.51 | nevyn | raptor67682: you need a route |
| 19:47.53 | Sw33NY_ | hi everyone, I have set up RAID10 with mdadm on 4 disks and now I reboot my debian but I don't found my raid, anyone could know what I should do ? |
| 19:48.05 | raptor67682 | nevyn: and how would you route that ? |
| 19:48.12 | abrotman | nevyn: have you tried uupdate? |
| 19:48.15 | nevyn | raptor67682: dunno it's your network. |
| 19:48.19 | nevyn | abrotman: no... |
| 19:48.23 | nevyn | is it for sns? |
| 19:48.29 | raptor67682 | nevyn: # update did not help |
| 19:48.46 | abrotman | nevyn: /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 19:48.55 | nerdistmonk | ok i got the source repo on, am i able to get source packages from synaptic? |
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| 19:50.00 | nevyn | dunno I'd do it from commandline |
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| 19:50.08 | nevyn | abrotman: it's missing build-dep and build-essential |
| 19:50.38 | raptor67682 | nevyn: I do not understand why apt-get update does not work. Maybe I shoud ifdown / ifup ? |
| 19:50.55 | raptor67682 | the problem is that on sarge there was no dhclient :( |
| 19:51.08 | nevyn | arcsky: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.12 sets the ip address |
| 19:51.10 | nevyn | bleh |
| 19:51.13 | nevyn | raptor67682: ^^ |
| 19:51.26 | larsweb | if i run "ssh -l myname -v my.server 'cat sometext.file' " then the connection fails right after "debug1: sending command: cat..." |
| 19:51.28 | nevyn | raptor67682: but it doesn't set the default route |
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| 19:51.56 | nevyn | raptor67682: so your computer doesn't know how to send stuff to the internet. |
| 19:52.03 | raptor67682 | nevyn: maybe I need to install isc-dhcp-client |
| 19:52.08 | Circuitsoft | initramfs seems to have enabled dmraid. How do I disable it and force mdadm to bring it up? |
| 19:52.30 | antiisolo | It comes up "1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 19:52.31 | antiisolo | " |
| 19:53.03 | nevyn | raptor67682: start with ifup ifdown |
| 19:53.11 | antiisolo | so no matter what I do, upgrade something, purge it, it tries to install, and then fails |
| 19:53.13 | Sw33NY_ | anyone know if when the RAID with mdadm synchronize disks the data are lost ? |
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| 19:53.34 | nevyn | Sw33NY_: ? |
| 19:53.46 | nevyn | can you re-ask that using different words? |
| 19:54.37 | Sw33NY_ | nevyn, yes, I have lost my RAID10; mount /dev/md0 /mnt/raid doesn't work but this array exist, how do re-found it ? |
| 19:54.43 | abrotman | nevyn: it's more for getting the source |
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| 19:54.56 | nerdistmonk | this stinks, how will i know if i got all the right source packages if i have no way of seeing them |
| 19:55.22 | nevyn | Sw33NY_: mdadm assemble /dev/md0 (constituant devices) |
| 19:55.47 | raptor67682 | nevyn: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 done and it says : failed to connect to localhost:bootpc: network unreadchable |
| 19:56.09 | Sw33NY_ | nevyn, mdadm assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 [/dev/sd[bcd]1] ? |
| 19:56.23 | phoohb | Is this channel official Debian -irc channel (is this same network as irc.debian.org)??? |
| 19:56.25 | raptor67682 | nevyn: I checked hte /etc/nbetwork/interfaces and it has well : iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:56.55 | nevyn | ok... |
| 19:57.02 | raptor67682 | phoohb: it is one of the official ones. I guess so. welcome. this channel is nice one. People are very friendly |
| 19:57.02 | nevyn | is dhcpcd installed? |
| 19:57.08 | nerdistmonk | ok so i guess i got the complete source for pulseaudio, idk....so now what.... |
| 19:57.24 | phoohb | question is is irc.debian.org same as irc.freenode.org? if not what all u folks doing here......? |
| 19:57.43 | raptor67682 | nevyn: well, seems not because dpkg -l | grep dhcp returns nothing |
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| 19:58.08 | nevyn | ok you probably want dhcp3-client |
| 19:58.09 | raptor67682 | nevyn: it is funny because it seems like sarge with 2.4 kernel did not need dhcp and the 2.6 type kernel, yes it does need dhcp |
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| 19:58.42 | Sw33NY_ | phoohb, There are many IRCD servers with Debian channels, I don't know if it's the official channel. |
| 19:58.44 | nerdistmonk | so what do i do now? |
| 19:59.00 | phoohb | I have a question: /etc/alternatives/aterm (works properly), but not /usr/bin/aterm-xterm (that the 1st point too). |
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| 19:59.30 | phoohb | aterm is orphean anyway, anybody here wanto adopt it??? |
| 19:59.55 | Sw33NY_ | Thanks to nevyn for the help, good work :) |
| 20:00.06 | nerdistmonk | I got the sourcecode to pulseaudio, i guess thats all i need idk, so what do i do now? |
| 20:01.25 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: so the package build stuff is unlikely to play nice with git so you need to make an original source archive. |
| 20:02.23 | nerdistmonk | .. |
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| 20:03.25 | nerdistmonk | so what do i do? |
| 20:04.52 | Circuitsoft | catting /proc/mdstat says (among other things) "md127 : inactive sdb[1](S) sda[0](S)" |
| 20:04.55 | Circuitsoft | What is inactive and why? |
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| 20:05.35 | raptor67682 | nevyn: ha ha ... wget command not found... scp either... I will have to fight a bit. at least I got my deb: http://archive.debian.org/debian//pool/main/d/dhcp3/dhcp3-client_3.0.1-2_arm.deb |
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| 20:06.14 | nevyn | Circuitsoft: check dmesg |
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| 20:06.25 | nerdistmonk | (whistles quietly to himself) |
| 20:07.59 | nevyn | so git archive is the way the pulse guys suggested this be done |
| 20:08.12 | nerdistmonk | The pulse guys tell me to go piss up a flag pole |
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| 20:09.15 | nerdistmonk | then proceed in telling me that compiling will eat my dog....hate to tell them, but pulse just got done snacking on my dog at stable version 2.0....so either bleeding edge or bust. Pulse is so half baked that anything less than brand new is non usable half the time |
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| 20:10.16 | phoohb | Less folks on irc.debian.org#debian (say 500), none said hiho. |
| 20:10.29 | nerdistmonk | I can compile just fine, i just dont know how to do an in-place upgrade from source |
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| 20:10.53 | nerdistmonk | i can install a program as long as the old version isnt installed from the repos. but in pa's case its sort of a dep, so i cant just chuck and reinstall |
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| 20:12.17 | nevyn | phoohb: yes they did. |
| 20:13.16 | nerdistmonk | meh |
| 20:13.31 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: so git archive and then use uupdate |
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| 20:14.42 | nerdistmonk | how do i use it and what is it? any nice debian wiki pages on this? |
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| 20:15.30 | nevyn | how do you use what? |
| 20:15.39 | nevyn | git archive (read the manpage) |
| 20:15.43 | nerdistmonk | omg |
| 20:15.45 | nevyn | it's not particularly hard |
| 20:15.46 | nerdistmonk | uupdate........ |
| 20:15.55 | nevyn | !uupdate |
| 20:15.55 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 20:16.48 | larsweb | how can i debug ssh-issues when i cant output text through ssh..... ? |
| 20:17.17 | nevyn | can't output text through ssh.... |
| 20:17.33 | nerdistmonk | nice command not found |
| 20:17.34 | Circuitsoft_ | mdadm says: "Container /dev/md/imsm0 has been assembled with 2 drives" but /dev/md/ doesn't exist. |
| 20:18.06 | larsweb | nevyn, it freezes after a few lines of output! :-S |
| 20:18.18 | nerdistmonk | ok so uupdate dont exist apparently |
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| 20:18.58 | raptor67682 | in sarge: at boot, insmod got crazy. I added manualyl the required modules into /etc/modules.conf... and took really ages. I go from 2.4 to 2.6. slowly ... |
| 20:19.09 | nevyn | Circuitsoft_: mdadm run /dev/whatever |
| 20:19.34 | nerdistmonk | nevyn: uupdate results in command not found...what package do i need? |
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| 20:19.54 | nevyn | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) |
| 20:20.04 | fasta | abrotman: like I already considered before: there is no option such that apt-get install fafafjsdfsdf does not generate an error. |
| 20:20.07 | Circuitsoft_ | "mdadm /dev/md127 --run" doesn't do anything. There is still no /dev/md folder. |
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| 20:20.27 | nerdistmonk | in the what package? sigh |
| 20:20.29 | Circuitsoft_ | I am in the (initramfs) prompt at the moment, trying to get the rootfs mounted so I can finish first boot and fix it all. |
| 20:20.34 | abrotman | fasta: if you say so .. i have no desire to argue with you .. good luck |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | fasta: we already know you're way smarter than everyone else here |
| 20:20.58 | fasta | abrotman: so, basically we have my initial statement, then you basically said I was an idiot and as it turns out you are the idiot. |
| 20:21.10 | fasta | abrotman: thanks for trying to help, but you did not help. |
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| 20:21.17 | nerdistmonk | ok i found it |
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| 20:21.30 | abrotman | People, please try not to call others names |
| 20:21.32 | Circuitsoft_ | abrotman: I'm seeing the same thing fasta is seeing. |
| 20:21.34 | abrotman | thanks |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | Circuitsoft_: which part? |
| 20:21.56 | Circuitsoft_ | apt reports an error to the user, but the exit code is still success. |
| 20:21.56 | apt | Circuitsoft_: what are you talking about? |
| 20:22.17 | raptor67682 | nevyn: pfff pff . installing dhcp3 client .... the vital comand : apt-get install wget ssh dhcp3-client portmap... without that. how life is possible ? ;) |
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| 20:24.04 | Circuitsoft_ | nevyn: mdadm --run does not make anything happen. |
| 20:24.27 | nevyn | Circuitsoft_: maybe you need start |
| 20:24.39 | nerdistmonk | nevyn: cant find debian changelog are you in the top directory of the source tree |
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| 20:25.18 | Circuitsoft_ | So, I have two volumes defined in imsm (boot and lvm). mdadm doesn't seem to have a "start" option. |
| 20:25.50 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: which source tree? |
| 20:26.10 | nerdistmonk | how would i know? i grabbed the pulseaudio-2.98-dev.tar.gz file and pointed uupdate at it |
| 20:26.17 | nerdistmonk | like the instruction said you sent me |
| 20:26.37 | nevyn | did you do this from inside the debian source tree? |
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| 20:26.59 | nerdistmonk | where would this mythical tree of all software sources be? |
| 20:27.11 | Circuitsoft_ | nevyn: mdadm --detail /dev/md127 lists all the physical hard drives. |
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| 20:27.37 | raptor67682 | that s soooo coool that debian still proposes Sarge and all files required into archives. so glad that debian is so clean |
| 20:27.50 | mjmt | nerdistmonk: It meant the particular piece of software's source. |
| 20:27.52 | Circuitsoft_ | mdadm --examine --scan lists "ARRAY /dev/md/boot <stuff>" and "ARRAY /dev/md/lvm <stuff>" but the /dev/md/ directory does not exist. |
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| 20:28.38 | nerdistmonk | you know ive been on linux 12 years.....this seriously has me considering alternatives......i have no hair left and no sound for that matter, pulseaudio bites.... |
| 20:29.14 | nevyn | mjmt: no I didn't |
| 20:29.24 | mwarning | hi, where can I find a debian stable netinstall iso with some more recent kernel |
| 20:29.25 | mwarning | ? |
| 20:29.47 | nerdistmonk | cdimage.debian.org/cdimage |
| 20:29.53 | raptor67682 | nerdistmonk: But why to strain to use pulseaudio |
| 20:29.54 | mjmt | nevyn: I wasn't refering to you, especially not as an "it". :) The error message. |
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| 20:30.08 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: you ran apt-get source as yourself not root right? |
| 20:30.11 | raptor67682 | nerdistmonk: I never use that. it is not required to make sound wiht alsa or dmix, man |
| 20:30.23 | nerdistmonk | because this is a professional audio workstation (one of 26) and the programs we use NEED it |
| 20:30.26 | karlpinc | !tell mwarning about kmuto |
| 20:30.33 | kevlarman | raptor67682: dmix kinda sucks too |
| 20:30.36 | nerdistmonk | I hate pulse, but if a program needs it as a dep |
| 20:30.52 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: so just disable it completely |
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| 20:31.02 | nerdistmonk | then i have no sound output on that program.... |
| 20:31.05 | Circuitsoft_ | nerdistmonk: What program needs pulse? It's hardly a professional audio server. |
| 20:31.18 | nevyn | echo "autospawn = false" >> ~/.pulse/client.conf && pactl exit |
| 20:31.20 | raptor67682 | I never used pulseaudio. I could always find a workaround |
| 20:31.29 | nerdistmonk | meh im just going to purge the entire audio stack out, and setup a new one by hand |
| 20:31.33 | Circuitsoft_ | If anything, you probably want to make sure jackd is running right, then get pulse running on top of it if need be. |
| 20:31.38 | raptor67682 | what does aplay -l ; aplay -L |
| 20:31.48 | mwarning | karlpinc, thanks! |
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| 20:32.07 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: so. when you ran apt-get source pulseaudio.. it unpacked a source tree for you of the debian package right? |
| 20:32.11 | karlpinc | mwarning: See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, possibly. |
| 20:32.17 | nerdistmonk | i ran it as root..... |
| 20:32.24 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: why? |
| 20:32.25 | nerdistmonk | was that bad? |
| 20:32.27 | nevyn | yes |
| 20:32.28 | nerdistmonk | lol |
| 20:32.36 | phoohb | z/quit |
| 20:32.53 | nerdistmonk | well damn it anything involving apt usually needs root permission how could i have known? |
| 20:33.37 | nerdistmonk | so where would have it dumped that crappy mess so i can remove and try again as a normal user? |
| 20:33.51 | nevyn | in whatever directory you were in at the time |
| 20:34.29 | nevyn | pulseaudio-2.0 |
| 20:34.39 | nerdistmonk | ok i see the folder it made |
| 20:34.49 | nerdistmonk | so can i just delete it or is there an apt command for that? |
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| 20:35.35 | raptor67682 | nevyn: thank you very much !! it works |
| 20:36.19 | raptor67682 | nevyn: I have moved from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel with debian without too much problems. Sarge was really already a great modern distro at that time ... very clean |
| 20:36.34 | nerdistmonk | ok |
| 20:37.35 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: I think you can just delete the folder. and the tar and .dsc files |
| 20:37.48 | nerdistmonk | ok i did it correctly now |
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| 20:37.56 | raptor67682 | nerdistmonk: I do not know if ddebian advices pulseaudio by default... maybe it will be default in the sid or future distro? |
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| 20:38.24 | nerdistmonk | pulseaudio unfortunately has become default in nearly every other distro, so no point fighting the future |
| 20:38.43 | raptor67682 | nerdistmonk: come on |
| 20:38.48 | raptor67682 | dont tell me taht |
| 20:38.50 | nerdistmonk | more and more software will slowly need it as a dep and it is a requirement if your on gnome 3....though idk who would use gnome 3 |
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| 20:39.19 | raptor67682 | I hope that they wont abuse the server insatll of debian, and force you to use it |
| 20:39.33 | raptor67682 | with server install, you make you debian the way it fits you |
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| 20:41.17 | nerdistmonk | :ok i did uupdate sucessfully |
| 20:41.29 | nerdistmonk | so now how do i replace all those deb files that the repo put in? |
| 20:41.47 | nerdistmonk | do i just do make install? will that do an in-place upgrade |
| 20:42.55 | nerdistmonk | nevyn: whats the next step? |
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| 20:45.02 | nevyn | do now you should have pulseaudio deb files for your arch |
| 20:45.11 | nevyn | using dpkg -i you can install them as root |
| 20:45.16 | nerdistmonk | huh? |
| 20:45.22 | nerdistmonk | i got a sourcecode folder |
| 20:45.24 | nimred | Hello. When starting X I get "FATL: Module fbcon not found." |
| 20:45.25 | nerdistmonk | thats it |
| 20:45.33 | nimred | What did I miss? |
| 20:46.10 | nerdistmonk | im out of time, ill have to pick it up later |
| 20:46.33 | nerdistmonk | afk |
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| 20:47.44 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: heh |
| 20:48.09 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: so you did uupdate successfully |
| 20:48.19 | nevyn | this should build debs in the directory above. |
| 20:48.29 | raptor67682 | nevyn: my jornada 720 is now fully working. it runs a 2.6 type kernel and the defualt sarge arm. wow. pcmcia works also now well. I have to modules.conf a bit |
| 20:48.38 | nerdistmonk | nevyn uupdate didnt make a deb |
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| 20:48.47 | nevyn | !uupdate |
| 20:48.47 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
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| 20:49.06 | nevyn | maybe you have to do dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us after that |
| 20:49.34 | nerdistmonk | ill try that later when i get back |
| 20:49.37 | nerdistmonk | im out of time though for now |
| 20:49.38 | eSa| | linux |
| 20:49.45 | nerdistmonk | ill leave the system sitting |
| 20:50.02 | nevyn | nerdistmonk: that should be the last step that generates debs |
| 20:50.11 | nerdistmonk | ill get ahold of you if your around, and let you know if its working |
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| 20:50.22 | raptor67682 | thats annoying the sarge obligation to change the passwd for regular user at first login ... |
| 20:51.35 | nevyn | raptor67682: that's fierce. |
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| 20:52.50 | PleXuS | hi all.. is there no command ifconfig anymore in debian or something? :/ |
| 20:53.14 | MarkFeatherston | it's probably not in your path |
| 20:53.16 | MarkFeatherston | try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:53.18 | raptor67682 | PleXuS: no entendo? |
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| 20:53.57 | proby | guys , when i open synaptic it always run as super user , how to prevent this? |
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| 20:54.10 | proby | !ping |
| 20:54.10 | dpkg | pong |
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| 20:55.57 | nimred | What did I miss? |
| 20:56.04 | proby | guys , when i open synaptic it always run as super user , how to prevent this? |
| 20:56.43 | Diopter | proby: You'll need root privileges to add or remove packages. |
| 20:57.06 | proby | yes but it doesn't prompt for the password |
| 20:57.10 | proby | it directly opens |
| 20:57.18 | PleXuS | MarkFeatherston, indeed /sbin/ifconfig do work |
| 20:57.23 | PleXuS | is this normal? |
| 20:57.36 | PleXuS | because I used ubuntu server before :) |
| 20:57.56 | MarkFeatherston | If your'e logged in as root /sbin/ is in the $PATH variable. This is where it searches for binaries |
| 20:58.07 | MarkFeatherston | If you're a normal user it doesn't add /sbin/ by default |
| 20:58.21 | ompaul | PleXuS: yes |
| 20:58.23 | MarkFeatherston | You can add this in your bashrc: "export PATH=$PATH:/sbin/:/usr/sbin/" |
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| 20:58.40 | nimred | When starting X I get "FATL: Module fbcon not found." What did I miss? |
| 20:58.41 | raptor67682 | nevyn: what is fierce? it is cool |
| 20:58.52 | PleXuS | aah ok |
| 20:59.04 | PleXuS | small difference but now I understand it :) |
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| 21:01.24 | proby | guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyys even when i use gdebi it directly install without asking for password , how to solve that ???? (am feeling like am in windows support channel :/ ) |
| 21:04.08 | nevyn | raptor67682: yes |
| 21:04.14 | PleXuS | do sudo command exist on debian? or only switch with the su command ? |
| 21:04.19 | proby | am going to ask on ubuntu , this is really a sleeping channel |
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| 21:04.37 | nevyn | PleXuS: install sudo |
| 21:04.40 | bardzusny | PleXuS: you can install sudo anytime |
| 21:05.12 | PleXuS | ok thanks :) |
| 21:06.20 | bardzusny | PleXuS: after apt-get install sudo, you will have to add your user to "sudo" group (addgroup yourusername sudo) |
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| 21:06.27 | bardzusny | and probably will want to remove root password |
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| 21:07.14 | raptor67682 | nevyn: took me years to insall the right kernel and setup all the box. Could learn a bit. I hope that wifi will work well. To surf anywhere with this mini pc |
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| 21:07.32 | PleXuS | bardzusny, yeah |
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| 21:10.11 | nevyn | raptor67682: sh3 right? |
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| 21:12.47 | raptor67682 | nevyn: arm... |
| 21:13.14 | raptor67682 | nevyn: I have compiled mplayer , trying to make it work with fbdev for soon if I make it |
| 21:13.40 | raptor67682 | nevyn: http://darksnow.radiolivre.org/jornada/ |
| 21:13.59 | raptor67682 | nevyn: it is bit bigger than the nokia n900 but at least you can work with the keyboard |
| 21:14.13 | raptor67682 | nevyn: I never liked so much typing on the n900 |
| 21:15.31 | nevyn | mmm... |
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| 21:18.08 | eSa| | what does this mean in order to get the module loaded? # modprobe kvm-amd |
| 21:18.08 | eSa| | FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/3.2.0-2-rt-686-pae/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported |
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| 21:19.28 | Diopter | eSa|: "dmesg | tail" for more details, but probably your processor doesn't support the virt extensions kvm-amd is trying to use. Either because you don't have an AMD CPU, or your CPU is too old :P |
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| 21:20.32 | MarkFeatherston | eSa|: Most BIOSes will disable the virtualization extensions by default. Make sure it's turned on and retry |
| 21:20.49 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 21:20.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.1-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.18-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 21:20.54 | jordanm | rt? |
| 21:21.22 | MarkFeatherston | ? |
| 21:21.47 | Diopter | jordanm: Looking for a kernel with the realtime patchset? |
| 21:22.27 | jordanm | Diopter: eSa|'s error has -rt in the kernel nmae, which I don't think is provided by debian |
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| 21:22.46 | AgentC | bon soir |
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| 21:22.57 | MarkFeatherston | oh, good catch |
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| 21:24.04 | eSa| | yes, last week i wanted to go funky with -rt (just to see how the system reacts) |
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| 21:24.38 | eSa| | anyho:. http://pastie.org/4134533 |
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| 21:25.20 | AgentC | when i start "man touch" it outputs "mitlabserver:~# man touch |
| 21:25.20 | AgentC | man: can't execute pager: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 21:25.20 | AgentC | man: command exited with status 255: pager -s" what could be wrong? same problem is when i try to use make-kpkg to create a fresh kernel 3.4.3 |
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| 21:26.27 | eSa| | should I use normal -686-pae? |
| 21:26.31 | Diopter | eSa|: Looks like you're trying to use VirtualBox and the kvm module. Pretty sure you can only have one or the other loaded (vboxdrv or kvm-???) |
| 21:26.48 | majuscule | I'm trying to install debian squeeze on an HP h8-1210t, it isn't recognizing my network card. I've got an identical computer running ubuntu, and I see it has "Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCI", which debian says uses rt2800pci? http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci However when I select rt2x00pci in the driver list, it does nothing. What can I do to troubleshoot this? |
| 21:27.10 | eSa| | Diopter, Virtualbox is out of order too at the moment |
| 21:27.18 | MarkFeatherston | majuscule: Does dmesg detect the card? |
| 21:27.33 | MarkFeatherston | erm, does it show that it is detected. It might be asking for firmware or something |
| 21:27.50 | majuscule | MarkFeatherston: how do i check dmesg during an install? |
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| 21:28.33 | Diopter | majuscule: Alt+F2 or similar to a free tty, dmesg | tail. Or usually TTY4 has logging output during the install |
| 21:28.35 | MarkFeatherston | either install should still have other vty devices you can switch to. Ctrl+alt+f2 and login as root |
| 21:28.52 | jordanm | !tell majuscule about kmuto |
| 21:28.59 | eSa| | for the moment i will go on with rebuilding the virtualbox kernel module (I will install kernel sources) |
| 21:29.03 | jordanm | majuscule: use kmuto's alternate installer |
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| 21:31.24 | raptor67682 | nevyn: worked with an old config that I took back. I could -vo fbdev a mpg file. it works. but it is a no way. cpu has not enough power... enough for links and cli edit, and mutt/sendmail |
| 21:32.04 | nevyn | yep |
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| 21:33.33 | majuscule | MarkFeatherston: ahh yes, for some reason i was thinking dmesg wasnt available in the ash. What should I be looking for? I see an ethernet driver loaded |
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| 21:34.09 | Diopter | majuscule: Ideally you would be checking dmesg right after you attempt to load/reload the rt2x00pci module |
| 21:34.18 | Diopter | To see if it complains about missing firmware |
| 21:34.49 | Diopter | Or, you could just "modinfo rt2x00pci | grep -i firmware", and check to see if those files exist in /lib/firmware |
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| 21:35.58 | jordanm | the kmuto installer comes with non-free firmware |
| 21:36.33 | Diopter | jordanm: You can get a netinst from Debian that has non-free firmware |
| 21:37.01 | majuscule | jordanm: where would i find the kmuto installer? |
| 21:37.07 | majuscule | Diopter: where would i find that? |
| 21:37.11 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 21:37.11 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 21:37.14 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: see above |
| 21:37.31 | dondelelcaro | majuscule: to use a debian installer, /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 21:37.33 | majuscule | Diopter: dmesg doesn't give any new output, and modinfo complains about not being able to open a directory |
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| 21:38.26 | Diopter | majuscule: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 21:38.31 | Diopter | For instance |
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| 22:03.42 | Circuitsoft | "(initramfs) mount /dev/dm-0 /root -t ext4" says "<kernel backtrace>" then "Segmentation fault" |
| 22:04.25 | Circuitsoft | Hmm. Looks like my md devices are still read-only. |
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| 22:06.37 | Circuitsoft | "mdadm --assemble --scan" still leaves all the devices in /proc/mdstat read-only. |
| 22:07.15 | Circuitsoft | Any idea why mdadm isn't enabling write-access? |
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| 22:07.19 | Circuitsoft | Running wheezy |
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| 22:17.05 | Soxred93 | (whoops, sorry) |
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| 22:45.47 | oss117 | what is the best debian way to access a remote gui ? x11 forwarding ? |
| 22:45.56 | oss117 | (hi) |
| 22:46.24 | daemonkeeper | The best way surely not, but _a_ way. |
| 22:46.36 | syslq | oss117: nxmachine from what I remember |
| 22:46.40 | oss117 | the free in mind way |
| 22:46.45 | oss117 | =) |
| 22:47.00 | syslq | http://www.nomachine.com/ |
| 22:47.04 | syslq | This is great |
| 22:47.15 | daemonkeeper | would suggest to look at xpra for simple and straightforward X11 forwarding. Much simpler and much less insane than NX |
| 22:47.33 | syslq | Or that :), although nx works for me |
| 22:47.39 | oss117 | thanks daemonkeeper |
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| 23:00.33 | tharkun | judd doesn't show dovecot on squeeze backports is it uptodate? Or do i have to check somewhere else for it? |
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| 23:01.26 | tharkun | doesn't want to do the ssb dance. |
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| 23:05.18 | craigevil | ,versions dovecot |
| 23:05.19 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
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| 23:06.03 | jordanm | ,versions dovecot-imapd |
| 23:06.04 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; wheezy: 1:2.0.18-1; sid: 1:2.1.7-2 |
| 23:06.17 | tharkun | ,versions dovecot-common |
| 23:06.19 | judd | Package: dovecot-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; wheezy: 1:2.0.18-1; sid: 1:2.1.7-1; sid: 1:2.1.7-2 |
| 23:06.32 | tharkun | ups sorry for the flood |
| 23:07.24 | tharkun | jordanm: How do you feel about the ssb dance. Wana dance with me ;-) |
| 23:07.28 | Ergo^ | are there any wheezy live images flowing around ? |
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| 23:13.15 | MarkFeatherston | debootstrap? |
| 23:13.30 | tharkun | MarkFeatherston: thanks |
| 23:13.35 | MarkFeatherston | np |
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| 23:17.31 | majuscule | jordanm: i did an install without network and then copied over and installed the firmware-ralink deb. I see a network controller now loaded with lspci, but ifconfig does not see wlan. What might I be missing? |
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| 23:34.08 | Ergo^ | are there any wheezy live images flowing around ? |
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| 23:37.46 | Suthe | Ergo^: may this help? http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build |
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