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| 00:13.35 | marchtemp | What do you guys use usb installations? |
| 00:13.44 | marchtemp | *use for |
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| 00:16.14 | gnarface | marchtemp: as of squeeze the normal cd isos are hybrid (which means they can be also used as a USB image with no editing) |
| 00:16.53 | gnarface | marchtemp: all the old tutorials from lenny and earlier about how to mangle an installer to boot from USB are now obsolete |
| 00:16.58 | marchtemp | I've tried boot.img and netinst, but it only works on my desktop. |
| 00:17.19 | gnarface | marchtemp: of course, your hardware *would* have to support booting from USB |
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| 00:17.43 | marchtemp | I think it does. |
| 00:17.55 | marchtemp | At least Ubuntu worked. |
| 00:18.07 | gnarface | marchtemp: well you'd have to be more specific about what fails and what it says when it does for there to be any chance of me helping you |
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| 00:18.34 | marchtemp | "syslinux .. Peter Anvin et al boot" |
| 00:18.45 | marchtemp | Something like that. |
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| 00:19.30 | marchtemp | I made this usb with zcat and simply copied netinst.iso |
| 00:24.18 | gnarface | hmm |
| 00:24.47 | gnarface | marchtemp: zcat? that doesn't sound quite right. can you show me the exact command? |
| 00:24.49 | marchtemp | gnarface: Is netinst a hybrid image as well, or boot.img.gz is required? |
| 00:25.13 | marchtemp | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
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| 00:25.34 | gnarface | marchtemp: the netinst is hybrid as well.... for intel architectures they all are hybrid as of squeeze ... your filenames don't look right though... where did you download that file, and why is it zipped? |
| 00:26.14 | marchtemp | I followed a tutorial. |
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| 00:26.35 | marchtemp | Do I copy iso with dd? |
| 00:26.41 | marchtemp | for hybrid. |
| 00:26.50 | proby | guys how to know if my graphical card is installed???? |
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| 00:27.08 | gnarface | marchtemp: yea uh... i think your tutorial is out of date, so i think your problem is you have the wrong files, but yes, you would copy the hybrid iso with dd, that is one possible way |
| 00:27.18 | gnarface | marchtemp: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst get one from here |
| 00:27.21 | nevyn | proby: open box.. look close box? |
| 00:27.32 | proby | what,?? |
| 00:27.34 | gnarface | proby: the command "lspci" will help you |
| 00:27.44 | marchtemp | gnarface: Thank you. |
| 00:28.45 | proby | @marchtemp , yes i found it , the problem that i had installed compiz but it doesn't work !! |
| 00:28.53 | proby | soory |
| 00:29.01 | marchtemp | gnarface: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en I did 4.2.3 |
| 00:29.08 | proby | @gnarface , yes i found it , the problem that i had installed compiz but it doesn't work !! |
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| 00:29.52 | gnarface | proby: compiz ... can't help you much there. |
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| 00:30.23 | marchtemp | gnarface: What's your WM? |
| 00:30.40 | gnarface | marchtemp: e16 |
| 00:30.47 | proby | please someone help me , am getting crazy from this debian installation dunnow i had to fix everything from the usb install to the gpu install :/ |
| 00:31.20 | nevyn | !ati |
| 00:31.21 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 00:31.26 | gnarface | marchtemp: just dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb (or whatever) |
| 00:32.05 | gnarface | marchtemp: 4.3.1 |
| 00:32.25 | marchtemp | gnarface: e16 even more esoteric than Awesome)). thanks again I'll try dd. |
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| 00:33.42 | gnarface | marchtemp: make sure you got the right iso. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso or something like that... |
| 00:33.54 | gnarface | marchtemp: it shouldn't be named boot.img... fuck if i know what that even is |
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| 00:34.16 | ManoftheSea | I seem to have the problem that reportbug is broken. |
| 00:35.21 | ManoftheSea | oh, nevermind, my report did post. |
| 00:35.47 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: not broken just not fast enough for you? |
| 00:35.52 | marchtemp | gnarface: I'll probably get a netinst not a business card. |
| 00:36.20 | ManoftheSea | wasn't the first error. Just had to delete the .reportbugrc and make it use a debian mailer. |
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| 00:36.40 | gnarface | marchtemp: either should work, the only real difference i think is that the netinst will still leave you with a bootable (if not very useful) system in the event that the network cannot be reached during install |
| 00:36.42 | ManoftheSea | I failed to get it working with gmail. My school email went to that helpit. |
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| 00:42.37 | ManoftheSea | so... my next questions is... what does debian do about packages that haven't been changed in 200 days? |
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| 00:43.21 | marchtemp | Mark them as stable? |
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| 00:43.51 | daemonkeeper | 200 days? So recently? Nothing. |
| 00:44.03 | daemonkeeper | We have packages which changed in 5 years or so. |
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| 00:44.47 | ManoftheSea | got removed from testing in 200 days. |
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| 00:45.46 | ManoftheSea | since I don't seem to be interrupting anything, I'mma blather on about something important to me at the moment that no one else cares about: |
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| 00:45.59 | ManoftheSea | so, the API to gpsd changed. |
| 00:46.08 | ManoftheSea | this caused obdgpslogger to get pulled from testing. |
| 00:46.19 | daemonkeeper | Well, removed from testing means: Wheezy won't ship that package unless somebody else steps in. |
| 00:46.37 | daemonkeeper | (else), even. |
| 00:46.39 | ManoftheSea | as the fix was apparently 5 lines, it seems like no one cares about the package. |
| 00:46.47 | ManoftheSea | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648495 |
| 00:47.12 | ManoftheSea | Am I correct in thinking I've done what I can? Built it for me, and contribooted a patch? |
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| 00:47.26 | rvalles | hi. Whatever happened to "alsaconf"? |
| 00:48.10 | daemonkeeper | ManoftheSea: Yes. But still, nobody merged and uploaded it. |
| 00:48.24 | ManoftheSea | merged and uploaded what? |
| 00:48.28 | daemonkeeper | The patch. |
| 00:48.34 | ManoftheSea | Oh, I just posted it. |
| 00:48.42 | ManoftheSea | That's the "not fast enough for me" comment you made earlier |
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| 00:49.00 | ManoftheSea | I mean, the gpsd guy said "I can do it." But no one took him up on it. |
| 00:49.03 | daemonkeeper | ManoftheSea: You have exactly 7 more days to get that into unstable. |
| 00:49.07 | ManoftheSea | I understand, he was busy. |
| 00:49.13 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise Wheezy won't include that package. |
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| 00:49.55 | ManoftheSea | So... I understand open-source is open... but as an unknown, is that something I can navigate in 7 days? |
| 00:50.30 | daemonkeeper | It's a RC bug. One could NMU it. |
| 00:51.29 | ManoftheSea | I don't know the acronyms |
| 00:52.03 | daemonkeeper | It's a release critical bug. One could do a non-maintainer-upload. |
| 00:52.13 | seeker61 | here is the steps i have to take to make screen look correct. 1.system=>preferences=>monitor 2. change resolution to 800X600 3. say resume to previous resolution -- then all is well. what is going on |
| 00:52.24 | nevyn | daemonkeeper: that pre-supposes one is a DD or DM or can get it sponsored |
| 00:52.29 | seeker61 | i have nvidia as my video driver |
| 00:52.44 | seeker61 | squeeze gdm3 |
| 00:52.54 | daemonkeeper | nevyn: Everyone can ask to get a package sponsored. Granted it's not very likely to find a sponsor in less than 7 days. |
| 00:53.35 | seeker61 | i have fb turned off |
| 00:53.44 | seeker61 | that is framebuffers |
| 00:53.47 | nevyn | ManoftheSea: so your best bet is to get the patch and bug the maintainer. (assuming they're not MIA |
| 00:53.49 | karlpinc | wants emacs 24.1 in wheezy |
| 00:54.01 | ManoftheSea | nevyn, I believe they are MIA. |
| 00:54.09 | daemonkeeper | nevyn: He very likely is, given he didn't ract for half a year. |
| 00:54.10 | ManoftheSea | Last update on the SVN was 11 months ago. |
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| 00:54.42 | daemonkeeper | ManoftheSea: You could try to make a patch yourself and ask bzed to sponsor it, it was him to do the transition. |
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| 00:55.26 | daemonkeeper | Patch for the Debian package that is. |
| 00:55.32 | ManoftheSea | So, I uploaded a patch to that bug. Would it have mailed him already, as he was on the chain? I don't want to double post... |
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| 00:55.54 | ManoftheSea | I will look up "patch for debian package", and email Bernd Zeimetz |
| 00:56.12 | rvalles | What happened to "alsaconf"? |
| 00:56.23 | ManoftheSea | thank you, daemonkeeper |
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| 00:56.45 | ManoftheSea | hmm, gonna have to find my gpg key I think |
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| 00:57.25 | daemonkeeper | ManoftheSea: Try to start with "apt-get source obdgpslogger". This gets you the latest source package to start with. Patches in Debian packages: http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt. Debian packaging:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/. Packaging help: #debian-mentors on OFTC. |
| 00:57.56 | zykotick9 | what is the bot command to show what the backporting dependencies of something would be? i'm interested in wine 1.5 (squeeze box) |
| 00:58.06 | daemonkeeper | ManoftheSea: But again, Debian is freezing on June 30th. Your package _must_ be uploaded by that day to be included in Wheezy. |
| 00:58.29 | ManoftheSea | daemonkeeper: I understand it's short, and may not happen. |
| 00:58.35 | ManoftheSea | exciting! |
| 00:59.05 | daemonkeeper | Just warning you to make sure you're not disappointed you won't make it in time. |
| 00:59.09 | rvalles | What happened to "alsaconf" (in wheezy)? How do we set audio up these days? |
| 00:59.11 | daemonkeeper | +if |
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| 01:06.43 | GTRsdk | If I just encrypted my drive in the install with a password, do I need to have a key or something to mount it on another computer, or can I use the password? |
| 01:07.03 | ManoftheSea | GTRsdk: if you used cryptsetup, you use the password |
| 01:07.12 | ManoftheSea | you can ALSO set it up with a key |
| 01:09.45 | GTRsdk | ManoftheSea: I did it in the install with LVM... is that the same as using cryptsetup then? |
| 01:10.07 | GTRsdk | or are LVN and cryptsetup two different things? |
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| 01:10.23 | ManoftheSea | LUKS is a format which cryptsetup uses |
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| 01:10.34 | ManoftheSea | LVM is a partitioning scheme |
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| 01:11.02 | ManoftheSea | with cryptsetup, your options are LUKS (Linux Unified Key Setup) or cryptoloop. You probably used LUKS |
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| 01:12.13 | oss117 | hi again guys |
| 01:12.51 | GTRsdk | ManoftheSea: so would LUKS require a password on boot then? |
| 01:13.16 | oss117 | yep |
| 01:13.24 | ManoftheSea | GTRsdk: yes |
| 01:13.33 | ManoftheSea | if you encrypted the root partition |
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| 01:14.51 | oss117 | what ever partition you do encrypt you will need a passphrase to access it, and if the /root partition is encrypted you will have to enter it interactively for the system to be able to mount it |
| 01:15.00 | oss117 | and to boot, correct ? |
| 01:15.29 | oss117 | I might be wrong, it is how I look at it |
| 01:15.41 | nevyn | yep. |
| 01:16.42 | OKTOKT | If I'm connected to a machine over ssh, can I run a command on the screen of one of the other logged in users? |
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| 01:17.05 | nevyn | OKTOKT: not normally |
| 01:17.25 | oss117 | =) |
| 01:17.32 | nevyn | there's tools for doing that sort of thing.. like screen. |
| 01:17.52 | nevyn | but it also requires that you have access to a level where you can impersonate them. |
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| 01:18.31 | oss117 | my question is a bit more simple : I've got a problem to make the system to parse /etc/hosts first before contacting the DNS server set in /etc/resolv.conf, the result is that fact I can not nslookup localhost to 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:19.01 | nevyn | nslookup is a dns tool |
| 01:19.06 | nevyn | not a general name lookup tool |
| 01:19.08 | OKTOKT | I'm running a client of XBMC on ubuntu and occasionally it crashes and I have to relaunch xbmc, I typically connect over ssh kill xbmc.bin but then have to use a mouse/keyboard to launch xbmc again, I'd like to be able to do this from the ssh connection |
| 01:19.09 | nevyn | try ping |
| 01:19.28 | ManoftheSea | oss117: sounds like you want to modify your nsswitch.conf |
| 01:19.36 | ManoftheSea | make sure "hosts" comes before "dns" |
| 01:19.37 | nevyn | OKTOKT: run it in a screen |
| 01:19.41 | nevyn | then re-attach the screen |
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| 01:23.01 | oss117 | nevyn> ping localhost is ok, in fact a software I use is trying to resolv a DNS name, I thought I could dupe it, but it might be hardcoded as it is while using the nslookup command to contact the default DNS server |
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| 01:23.31 | oss117 | nevyn> you are the man |
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| 01:24.19 | ManoftheSea | "files" comes before "dns" |
| 01:24.51 | nevyn | oss117: that's broken |
| 01:25.17 | nevyn | ManoftheSea: nslookup doesn't use gethostbyname() it always goes direct to dns (being a dns tool) |
| 01:26.01 | ManoftheSea | nevyn: ok. My bad. |
| 01:26.14 | ManoftheSea | so... shouldn't it be dnslookup, then? |
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| 01:26.41 | nevyn | meh. it's deprecated anyway |
| 01:26.49 | nevyn | host and dig are the new black in dns tools |
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| 01:27.47 | gnarface | dig would be a good tool if they didn't make the syntax purposefully obtuse |
| 01:28.09 | nevyn | mmm |
| 01:28.13 | nevyn | I do like host tho |
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| 01:28.47 | gnarface | wait not obtuse |
| 01:28.48 | gnarface | what's the word |
| 01:28.51 | gnarface | abstruse |
| 01:29.05 | ManoftheSea | I think you were right the first time... |
| 01:29.07 | nevyn | obscure? |
| 01:29.15 | nevyn | baroque |
| 01:29.21 | ManoftheSea | archaic? |
| 01:29.30 | gnarface | no its http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abstruse |
| 01:29.43 | gnarface | obtuse is when you don't get it |
| 01:29.53 | nevyn | ooh that's new |
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| 01:30.16 | gnarface | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obtuse |
| 01:30.31 | gnarface | anyway |
| 01:30.46 | ManoftheSea | mentally slow. |
| 01:30.47 | ManoftheSea | yeah. |
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| 01:34.11 | gnarface | nslookup has a simplicity of use and usefulness that makes dig seem just obscene |
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| 01:41.48 | trysten | laughs |
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| 01:46.48 | ManoftheSea | daemonkeeper: what was OTFC? |
| 01:48.02 | oss117 | On-The-Fly Calibration ? =) |
| 01:49.01 | peterrooney | abstruse describes the idea, obtuse describes the person trying to grasp it. |
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| 01:52.38 | oss117 | =) |
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| 02:08.38 | Gryfelhase | hi kids ;) I'm stillusing lenny ;) and wants to ask, if someone have a hint for that problem: |
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| 02:09.24 | rookie84 | hi |
| 02:09.42 | sney | hi |
| 02:09.43 | rookie84 | can someone please let me know how to install a certificate on my rackspace debian ? |
| 02:09.44 | Gryfelhase | I stared learning c++/sdl and when my programm quits from fullscreen, the fontsize of gtk based apps are hughe |
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| 02:10.05 | deuterium | hia. does the default debian squeeze kernel support cgroups? it seems to be part of the vanilla kernel since 2.6.24 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cgroups) |
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| 02:10.34 | sney | Gryfelhase: is your program supposed to affect the resolution or dpi? |
| 02:10.51 | Gryfelhase | sney: the resolution, yes |
| 02:11.23 | Gryfelhase | aehm... |
| 02:11.32 | sney | that's probably why. there's an option for gdm.conf - I can't remember the exact syntax - to manually set the dpi, otherwise gnome just figures it out on the fly |
| 02:11.39 | Gryfelhase | after it quits it returns to the X resolution it was |
| 02:11.53 | sney | and sometimes gnome is kind of stupid about these things |
| 02:12.15 | Gryfelhase | now... everything is same like before... on the desktop... |
| 02:12.23 | Gryfelhase | only new started apps are effected |
| 02:12.55 | rookie84 | any help for me please? |
| 02:12.56 | rookie84 | can someone please let me know how to install a certificate on my rackspace debian ? |
| 02:13.05 | Gryfelhase | same resolutiuion when I resturn as before. I just use another resolution in my sdl app |
| 02:13.09 | sney | deuterium: it is supported in wheezy at least. if you have a squeeze system handy, do grep CONFIG_CGROUPS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 02:13.37 | deuterium | sney: ok, thanks for the hint.. let me try this.. i have a squeeze system at hand |
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| 02:14.19 | sney | rookie84: what kind of certificate? ssl for a website? it'll depend on what httpd you're using, and the manual for that software (apache/lighttpd/nginx) will tell you how to do it |
| 02:14.48 | rookie84 | sney: thanks for replying, yes an ssl for a website |
| 02:14.51 | rookie84 | i'm using apache |
| 02:15.02 | sney | so read the apache manual, you will find it |
| 02:15.25 | rookie84 | ok great thanks! |
| 02:15.29 | sney | np |
| 02:15.35 | rookie84 | I do need to install openSSL before right? |
| 02:15.43 | rookie84 | or how do I know if I have install openSSL? |
| 02:15.51 | ManoftheSea | rookie84: http://www.digicert.com/ssl-certificate-installation-apache.htm |
| 02:15.55 | Gryfelhase | Ok.... but I'll check if my xorg conf has a dpi entry, maybe that helps, if I add it :) (using no gdm / gnome desktop) |
| 02:16.10 | rookie84 | ManoftheSea: just found this url, thankyou! |
| 02:16.12 | sney | dpkg -l openssl. it's normally installed by default |
| 02:16.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching openssl. it's normally installed by default |
| 02:16.18 | sney | hits the bot |
| 02:16.38 | rookie84 | yeh its installed |
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| 02:30.05 | superstraw | I have windows xp on sda1. I have sdb encrypted for debian. I want to install an un-encrypted debian also on sda2. Will the install on sda2 see sdb or am I going to have to tell it specifics? |
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| 02:31.12 | bardzusny | superstraw: luks? |
| 02:31.17 | superstraw | yes |
| 02:31.57 | bardzusny | as long as boot is unencrypted (and it has to be), grub will see it |
| 02:32.01 | bardzusny | if that's what you mean |
| 02:32.12 | bardzusny | s/boot//boot/, hm |
| 02:33.17 | superstraw | k I'll brb, if not I messed up! |
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| 02:35.50 | ManoftheSea | bardzusny: boot need not be unencrypted. |
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| 02:36.12 | ManoftheSea | The 2.00beta's of GRUB can read from a LUKS disk |
| 02:37.02 | bardzusny | wow, I'm impressed |
| 02:37.09 | bardzusny | let me look that up |
| 02:37.25 | ManoftheSea | though, if it's windows partitioned, you don't have enough space before the first partition to fit the needed grub code |
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| 02:37.43 | ManoftheSea | I've been using it since 2.00~beta1 |
| 02:38.15 | bardzusny | is it in repos? |
| 02:38.23 | bardzusny | hmm, judd, what was the command for that... |
| 02:38.23 | ManoftheSea | And I applied the TRESOR patch on kernel 3.4. Still no protection from a $5 wrench |
| 02:38.40 | ManoftheSea | bardzusny: repos? There's no 2.00 release yet. |
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| 02:39.16 | ManoftheSea | ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 02:39.22 | ManoftheSea | up to beta6, now |
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| 02:41.31 | bardzusny | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2011-04/msg00148.html |
| 02:42.03 | bardzusny | great to know though, thanks for bringing it up |
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| 02:42.44 | ManoftheSea | it's merged to trunk, but it's now GRUB_CRYPTODISKS_ENABLE=y |
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| 02:43.17 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:44.17 | bardzusny | ManoftheSea: and of course as it is, entering password twice is required? |
| 02:44.20 | ManoftheSea | bardzusny: no love for a tboot, TPM, or any of that jazz. |
| 02:44.41 | ManoftheSea | bardzusny: there's no mechanism to pass the disk password to the kernel/initramfs. |
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| 02:45.17 | ManoftheSea | so, yeah, enter password twice, no usb-keyfile, can't confirm integrity of bootloader. |
| 02:45.21 | bardzusny | that's what I thought |
| 02:45.44 | ManoftheSea | but it means you don't need a seperate boot partition. |
| 02:47.25 | bardzusny | it doesn't sound too practical |
| 02:47.31 | bardzusny | unless you want to hide your kernel version |
| 02:47.47 | ManoftheSea | since when is crypto about practicality? |
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| 02:49.56 | peterrooney | security is the opposite of convenience |
| 02:50.15 | bardzusny | I guess what I mean is that no one likes entering password twice, and /boot/ contents are hardly secret anyway |
| 02:50.57 | karlpinc | bardzusny: Not secret, but you don't want them subverted. |
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| 02:52.30 | ManoftheSea | it makes it a little harder to subvert. |
| 02:52.57 | ManoftheSea | as it moves from "modify his initramfs" to "modify his bootloader" |
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| 03:27.27 | gnarface | so uh... |
| 03:27.32 | gnarface | xmbc no longer in debian? |
| 03:27.45 | gnarface | neither mythtv? |
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| 03:34.25 | stew | I'm having trouble upgrading from knoppix to the latest ubuntu, help, i think it isi nvidia's fault |
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| 03:36.43 | CRUNK | can anyone point me to an article on booting debian install (business card or regular net inst iso) that is a little more current? i am trying to boot insto install from USB thumbdrive for ia64 and i cannot get the image written properly on my drive. ive tried dd if=deb.iso of=/dev/sdb and tried on different partitions and following different things on google but all when i try to boot i just get a "j" and a frozen screen upon boot |
| 03:37.14 | CRUNK | tried writing the boot.img to a drive, and then copying a iso onto the drive etc etc |
| 03:37.30 | bnmorgan | question retracted. there was NO passwd set, so I set one, now it works. |
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| 03:40.34 | stew | CRUNK: you don't want ia64, you want amd64 |
| 03:41.02 | CRUNK | stew: even if my chip is an intel? |
| 03:41.06 | stew | yes |
| 03:41.09 | stew | !ia64 |
| 03:41.10 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
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| 03:41.21 | CRUNK | ahhhhhh |
| 03:41.22 | CRUNK | stew: thanks |
| 03:41.43 | CRUNK | no wonder my ia64 cd didnt work |
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| 04:16.45 | CRUNK | can anyone point me to a more recent booting install from thumbdrive doc? |
| 04:16.52 | CRUNK | i am having so many problems its not evne funny |
| 04:17.04 | CRUNK | from not being able to find the ISO image (even though I copied it onto the thumbdrive) |
| 04:17.22 | CRUNK | or if i just write the netinst iso directly using dd it cant find the necessary stuff from the CD-ROM drive |
| 04:17.24 | gnarface | CRUNK: all you have to do is cp [iso file] [dev node] |
| 04:17.26 | craigevil | the install guide has detailed steps |
| 04:17.51 | dvs | a whole two lines |
| 04:17.54 | gnarface | CRUNK: you have a current version right? |
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| 04:18.27 | CRUNK | gnarface: i downloaded the latest amd64 boot.img.gz, zcatted that to the correct drive for my thumbdrive, mounted it and copied the ISO image to it, and umounted it and finally booted to it |
| 04:18.42 | CRUNK | install wont detect the ISO image |
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| 04:19.15 | gnarface | CRUNK: wtf are you doing? why did you do all of that? why are you using a file named boot.img.gz? |
| 04:19.16 | CRUNK | so then i tried dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb so it could just boot like a CD, and then it boots into the install like the previous one but the install cannot find some shit with the CD |
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| 04:19.27 | CRUNK | gnarface: im just going by my google searches... |
| 04:19.36 | CRUNK | so i dont get yelled at by you guys :P |
| 04:19.53 | gnarface | CRUNK: so the file name was netinst.iso? was it called that when you downloaded it? where did you download it from? |
| 04:20.10 | CRUNK | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:20.13 | CRUNK | that one |
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| 04:20.41 | gnarface | suspects user error |
| 04:20.59 | gnarface | CRUNK: can you elaborate on "but the install cannot find some shit with the CD" ? |
| 04:21.15 | CRUNK | gnarface: yes hold on let me try booting to it again |
| 04:21.37 | craigevil | CRUNK, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 04:24.05 | CRUNK | gnarface: i get "No common CD-ROM drive was detected. You may need to load additional CD-ROM drivers from removable media..." |
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| 04:25.18 | dvs | CRUNK: If you're installing it from USB, I suspect there is no CD-ROM on the machine. |
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| 04:26.37 | CRUNK | dvs: well it does have a CD-ROM. however i am booting a netinstall image off a USB so it shouldnt matter right? when i select no for "Manually select a CD-ROM module and device?" it just brings me back to the Detect and mount CD-ROM screen |
| 04:26.52 | CRUNK | i know itd be easier to jsut burn a CD but i am currently not able to leave where i am and get a blank cd |
| 04:26.56 | gnarface | CRUNK: do you need the CD-ROM to finish the install? |
| 04:27.08 | CRUNK | gnarface: this is the very beginning of the install |
| 04:27.13 | CRUNK | after i select keyboard stuff |
| 04:27.41 | CRUNK | i literally have selected 2 or 3 things regarding language and keyboard and then i get stuck here |
| 04:27.42 | gnarface | CRUNK: does it exit then or something? what is stopping you from completing the install? |
| 04:28.44 | CRUNK | i can either press NO for "manually selecting a cdrom module" and it goes back to the same screen, or press YES and select "cdrom" or "none" and then it fails when trying to mount the CD-ROM |
| 04:29.29 | gnarface | with the netinstall you say? |
| 04:29.36 | gnarface | from a usb? |
| 04:29.45 | CRUNK | yes |
| 04:29.46 | karlpinc | CRUNK: How new is this machine? |
| 04:29.54 | CRUNK | just opened the laptop out of the box today |
| 04:30.14 | karlpinc | CRUNK: Might possibly need a newer kernel.... |
| 04:30.17 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 04:30.17 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 04:30.22 | gnarface | i'm finding it hard to believe that the net installer would require a CDROM when booted via usb |
| 04:31.01 | karlpinc | gnarface: Is ist possible it can't detectthe usb? (seems like it wouldn't boot then. That blows my theory.) |
| 04:31.12 | karlpinc | CRUNK: There's the netinstall linked at the top-left of the debian home page that everybody uses.... But I would think that what you've got should work. Is there a useful error message on Alt-f3 (or whatever?) Does "dmesg" on the Alt-f2 console say anything? |
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| 04:31.47 | CRUNK | karlpinc: actually there is something let me type it out hold on |
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| 04:32.28 | CRUNK | actually no i was wrong the latest things in dmesg are it loaded the USB modules |
| 04:32.33 | CRUNK | no errors it seems |
| 04:33.04 | gnarface | do the hybrid isos require usb legacy mode? |
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| 04:33.15 | CRUNK | i had errors earlier regarding the filesystem but that was because i was trying weird things like i mentioned above with zcatting images and such |
| 04:33.26 | CRUNK | but this is strictly by the book |
| 04:33.47 | karlpinc | Is it possible that something needs firmware? |
| 04:33.50 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 04:33.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 04:34.04 | CRUNK | ill try that |
| 04:34.26 | dvs | karlpinc: kmuto has firmware as well |
| 04:34.34 | karlpinc | CRUNK: Sounds unlikely. I'd hold out for the kmuto kernel. But you never know. |
| 04:35.07 | CRUNK | what is the kmuto kernel? and am i just SOL unless i burn a CD? |
| 04:35.27 | karlpinc | !tell CRUNK about kmuto |
| 04:35.41 | CRUNK | a |
| 04:35.42 | CRUNK | h |
| 04:35.44 | karlpinc | CRUNK: I mentioned kmuto above. |
| 04:35.59 | CRUNK | well i will try this firmware iso as a hail mary |
| 04:36.34 | CRUNK | but the computer is very new |
| 04:36.43 | dvs | hence the kmuto |
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| 04:51.43 | CRUNK | well here goes to trying kmuto |
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| 05:00.15 | TehRabbitt | hey, is there a way for me to make ports eth3 and eth4 operate like switchports rather than regular interfaces? |
| 05:00.49 | CRUNK | thank god for kenshi muto!!!!!! |
| 05:01.06 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Do you mean participate in L2 only? |
| 05:01.12 | CRUNK | and to think gnarface thought it was a "user error" |
| 05:01.13 | CRUNK | HAHAH |
| 05:01.16 | CRUNK | thanks guys |
| 05:01.18 | CRUNK | jk gnarface :P |
| 05:01.59 | CRUNK | son of a bitch i need more firmware for my wifi but OK this is manageable |
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| 05:02.13 | peterrooney | TehRabbitt: aptitude install bridge-utils |
| 05:02.32 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: Yes. basically I have a small nano ITX board with debian on it... it has 4 interfaces... Eth1 is going to plug into my LAN but ports eth3 and eth4 I want to operate like a switch and put dhcp |
| 05:02.38 | Diopter | peterrooney: Exactly where I was going with my question. |
| 05:02.50 | TehRabbitt | peterrooney: so basically create a bridge using those two ports |
| 05:02.56 | peterrooney | Diopter: sorry, didn't meant to steal thunder... |
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| 05:02.59 | TehRabbitt | and set dhcp to use br0 instead of eth3 and eth4? |
| 05:03.04 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Correct. |
| 05:03.19 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Only question is whether or not you care about routing traffic to/from the bridge |
| 05:03.29 | peterrooney | TehRabbitt: it's been a few years since I've done that, but I recall it being straightforward. |
| 05:03.30 | TehRabbitt | so if dhcp scope is set to 172.16.50.0/24, and I plug two PCs into those ports, one would get 172.16.50.2 and the other .3 |
| 05:03.31 | Diopter | peterrooney: S'all good, just giving a nod |
| 05:03.46 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: well yes, i'll need to route the traffic eventually |
| 05:03.54 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Yes, you can serve DHCP off of the bridge, if the bridge has an IP |
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| 05:04.11 | gnarface | CRUNK: sorry, could not reproduce with existing hardware... |
| 05:04.11 | butts | hey, im trying to figure out why my USB mouse locks up, it works perfectly fine for x amount of time and then suddenly stops working, i've tried it with tons of other mice and i dont have the problem. USB also seems to work fine for other devices |
| 05:05.01 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: brctl addbr br0, brctl addif br0 eth3, brctl addif br0 eth4, for i in br0 eth3 eth4; do ip li s dev $i up; done |
| 05:05.29 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: so just configure eth3 and eth4 with no IP + manual settings and then assign IP to br0 in the /etc/network/interfaces correct? |
| 05:05.32 | Diopter | Is the basic idea. Then ip a a dev br0 172.16.50.1/24, or whatever you want the bridge/gateway to be |
| 05:05.36 | TehRabbitt | and then tell dhcp to assign it to that network |
| 05:05.40 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Yes. To make it persistent. |
| 05:05.46 | TehRabbitt | I see |
| 05:06.34 | gnarface | CRUNK: glad you got it working |
| 05:06.44 | Diopter | The idea being that your bridge interface will act as a routed interface, since it has an IP, while your two ethernet ports will only carry L2. Adding them to the bridge will probably make them promiscuous, so they'll accept traffic destined to any MAC |
| 05:07.34 | Diopter | You can check for PROMISC in the interface flags. It's the default when bridging a non-virtual interface |
| 05:08.12 | TehRabbitt | Ah |
| 05:08.34 | TehRabbitt | so it'll let me have lets say 2 machines connected to each port so I can PXE boot using it successfully? :D |
| 05:08.44 | TehRabbitt | rather than just 1 at a time |
| 05:08.54 | Diopter | No IP + promiscuous mode interfaces in a bridge = switch |
| 05:09.02 | TehRabbitt | ah |
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| 05:09.28 | CRUNK | gnarface: me too |
| 05:09.31 | Diopter | Yes. However in order to talk to another interface on the machine doing the bridging, you'd have to route through the bridge's IP. Which is what putting a DHCP server on your bridge will do anyway |
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| 05:09.44 | CRUNK | didnt want to have to go back into the office without this shit working |
| 05:10.00 | Diopter | So, presumably your PXE server is on the same machine or is reachable by the machine's eth0/1/2 |
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| 05:10.33 | Diopter | In the former case, you're already done. In the latter, you'll need a SNAT/MASQUERADE iptables rule for traffic egressing that sources from the bridged network |
| 05:10.53 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: Ah... well PXE would be on the same machine, correct |
| 05:10.57 | Diopter | Unless you know the remote network will route back to the bridging machine for addresses in the 172.16.50.0/24 range |
| 05:11.03 | Diopter | kk, easy then :P |
| 05:11.07 | TehRabbitt | but! |
| 05:11.15 | TehRabbitt | basically there will be multiple of these umm "boxes" |
| 05:11.19 | TehRabbitt | about lets say 50 |
| 05:11.22 | TehRabbitt | identical |
| 05:11.37 | TehRabbitt | one side will have a 172.16.50.0/24 address over ports eth3 and eth4 |
| 05:11.51 | TehRabbitt | and then eth1 will always be connected to grab DHCP from the internal LAN |
| 05:12.07 | Diopter | Sounds like we're building a VM cluster |
| 05:12.12 | TehRabbitt | goal is the machines that PXE boot would be able to access the internet, but have different PXE servers based on what machine they're booting off |
| 05:12.37 | Diopter | I see |
| 05:12.49 | TehRabbitt | it's really for imaging machines in mass quantities |
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| 05:13.02 | Diopter | I actually do that for a living. There's a lot of options |
| 05:13.09 | TehRabbitt | but the PXE server will boot the machine, and then the ISO grabs the appropiate netinst files etc |
| 05:13.19 | Diopter | Sure. |
| 05:13.34 | TehRabbitt | Ah lol hm whats the best way of doing it? |
| 05:13.54 | TehRabbitt | btw: iface br0 inet static |
| 05:13.54 | TehRabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.56 | Diopter | But... why do you need multiple PXE servers? Why not just one, and if you want to differentiate a machine or fifty, use some variety of mapping that's easier than physically changing cables and such :P |
| 05:14.09 | TehRabbitt | it's a longggg story lol |
| 05:14.19 | Diopter | For instance, mapping MAC addresses -> pxe images can be done with most tftp/pxe setups |
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| 05:17.03 | TehRabbitt | well thats the thing, basically in a nutshell where i'm working we do asset recovery, so the machines are primarally for wiping systems, and then re-imaging / testing them before redeployment... many of the machines we'll only ever see once pass through the warehouse, so keeping track of tens of thousands of MAC addresses would get pretty tough lol hence using pxelinux.cfg/default |
| 05:17.43 | TehRabbitt | I was able to get everything working on debian (even though it was reccomended we deploy one windows machine per station) i'd rather custom-create small PXE boot boxes that can be easially deployed |
| 05:18.01 | Diopter | Aha |
| 05:18.06 | Diopter | I see |
| 05:18.28 | TehRabbitt | they're thin-client sized but P3 800Mhz which is more than enough IMHO to power at least 20-40 machines per "station" |
| 05:18.31 | Diopter | Well, you can certainly do that, given your nearly-embedded form factor and such |
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| 05:19.11 | Diopter | Hrm. Another option is to just run a different pxe server on each interface :P |
| 05:19.13 | TehRabbitt | I basically want to make them so simple, that you plug in "Port A" to the LAN, and ports B and C plug into two 24-port switches |
| 05:19.19 | Diopter | Put them on seperate subnets |
| 05:19.21 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: I thought about that too lol |
| 05:19.27 | Diopter | eth3 = server1, eth4 = server2 :P |
| 05:19.32 | homes | does subnet == vlan? |
| 05:19.55 | Diopter | Doesn't have to, but can. |
| 05:20.02 | TehRabbitt | but by doing that, i'd have to have run two different servers, right? like tftpd-hpa and atftpd at the same time? |
| 05:20.52 | TehRabbitt | (each on their own interface)? |
| 05:21.26 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: You could use dnsmasq and run a couple copies by specifying different config files |
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| 05:21.45 | Diopter | I tend to work with dnsmasq a lot more in production than just tftpd's |
| 05:22.11 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: I thought of using dnsmasq but idk never used it before |
| 05:22.50 | TehRabbitt | basically, where I am right now, is I've got tftp + pxe + dhcp working where I can boot / wipe one machine at a time / one switch connected to eth4, but eth3 sits unused (dual gigabit card in each box) |
| 05:22.50 | Diopter | It's actually pretty stupidly simple |
| 05:22.57 | Diopter | Mmm |
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| 05:24.47 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: I mean I was considering two subnets per device, and it would be useful if we decide at any point to have two separate images per box, (one for dev, one for prod for instance) but for now they've gotta be pretty ummm "idiotproof" |
| 05:25.09 | TehRabbitt | aka port A == connect to building LAN Port B or C == Connect to switch / machines to wipe+image |
| 05:25.29 | Diopter | nods |
| 05:25.33 | Diopter | Start simple and robust. |
| 05:25.40 | TehRabbitt | exactly :D |
| 05:26.42 | TehRabbitt | do I want "allow-hotplug br0" or just on eth3 and eth4? |
| 05:27.38 | Diopter | I believe just the ports |
| 05:27.56 | TehRabbitt | alrighty |
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| 05:31.02 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: Hm it won't let me ifdown br0 |
| 05:31.14 | TehRabbitt | nvm it looks like it grabbed the IP already |
| 05:31.22 | TehRabbitt | from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:33.01 | TehRabbitt | hm :-| looks like it broke tftp lol |
| 05:34.07 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Might help to pastebin "ip a; ip r; brctl show; cat /etc/network/interface" |
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| 05:35.02 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: http://paste.debian.net/175946/ |
| 05:35.03 | Diopter | s/interface/interfaces/ |
| 05:35.19 | Diopter | :P |
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| 05:36.09 | Diopter | eth4 is down with nothing plugged in, but has an IP on it. eth3 is up and in the bridge, but has the same IP as the bridge |
| 05:36.21 | Diopter | eth4 and eth3 should have no IPs if you're just going to bridge them |
| 05:36.26 | TehRabbitt | ah |
| 05:36.33 | TehRabbitt | so take down eth3 and 4 and bring them back up |
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| 05:38.52 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: Hm ifdown / ifup seem to do nothing :( |
| 05:39.19 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: They only work based on the content/correctness of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:39.32 | Diopter | For now, just do it manually. ip a f dev eth3; ip a f dev eth4 |
| 05:39.41 | Diopter | (ip addr flush) |
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| 05:39.45 | TehRabbitt | ah |
| 05:40.22 | TehRabbitt | okay so no more IP assigned to them |
| 05:40.26 | TehRabbitt | so now the br0 shoudl work? |
| 05:40.39 | TehRabbitt | yep |
| 05:40.40 | Diopter | Should being the key word. |
| 05:40.45 | Diopter | Woo |
| 05:40.49 | TehRabbitt | I was able to ping the machine connected to PXE :D |
| 05:41.13 | TehRabbitt | so what do I have to change in /etc/network/interface to make it persistant for eth3 and 4? |
| 05:41.25 | Diopter | paste me the current one? |
| 05:41.55 | TehRabbitt | http://paste.debian.net/175947/ |
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| 05:42.14 | TehRabbitt | and right above that was 'iface eth1 inet dhcp' |
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| 05:44.10 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: look ok? |
| 05:44.33 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Moment |
| 05:45.10 | TehRabbitt | lol okay sorry... wasnt sure if u got the link with the ppl joining / leaving |
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| 05:46.16 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: I did. My client keeps that clear :) |
| 05:46.39 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Your interfaces file seems fine. |
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| 05:47.40 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: ah lol my client makes it a mess haha.. and hm alright... so an innocent remote reboot shouldn't completely disconnect me and prevent me from reconnecting, right? :-| lol |
| 05:48.05 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Right. You've got the dhcp option for the interface that matters |
| 05:48.38 | TehRabbitt | yup |
| 05:48.48 | TehRabbitt | and i have access to the DHCP server too (so i can find out if it grabs a diff IP) |
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| 05:55.44 | TehRabbitt | Diopter: thanks for your help :D next challenge will be getting NAT working but I think i'm gonna head to bed for now and get some sleep lol |
| 05:56.16 | Diopter | TehRabbitt: Sure thing. NAT is actually fairly easy. I might be around tomorrow or Sunday, but I'm sure others can help you as well. Good luck and good night |
| 05:56.34 | TehRabbitt | thanks again! and you too :D |
| 05:57.08 | Diopter | You bet |
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| 07:11.27 | homes | will the debian install be able to handle shrinking win7 partitions? |
| 07:11.36 | homes | i know....much better to rm them |
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| 07:12.15 | sebas-89 | hi guys! |
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| 07:14.57 | sebas-89 | How can I install multiples packages with name ABC with dpkg? |
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| 07:15.06 | sebas-89 | I mean: *ABC* |
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| 07:15.21 | sebas-89 | Anybody knows? |
| 07:15.36 | homes | hmm |
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| 07:16.40 | sebas-89 | do yo know homes? |
| 07:17.01 | homes | i think aptitude should be able to |
| 07:17.03 | homes | am looking |
| 07:17.33 | sebas-89 | Packages downloaded I mean |
| 07:18.03 | matlads | dpkg -i *ABC*deb |
| 07:18.04 | dpkg | package *ABC*deb is already installed |
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| 07:18.40 | ratatata | nu |
| 07:19.21 | homes | aptitude install '?name(abc)' |
| 07:19.23 | peterrooney | sebas-89: If I understand correctly, you wish to install debs you have downloaded matching pattern ABC ? where from? |
| 07:19.23 | homes | maybe? |
| 07:19.55 | homes | oh...dpkg, woops, didn't read the question! seems rather obvious with a glob |
| 07:20.25 | sebas-89 | dpkg:I'll try that |
| 07:20.26 | dpkg | sebas-89: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:20.45 | homes | why are you using dpkg? |
| 07:20.53 | sebas-89 | dpkg:sorry, what is breadbox? |
| 07:20.54 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, sebas-89 |
| 07:21.02 | peterrooney | sebas-89: if so... for d in *ABC*deb ; do dpkg -i "$d" ; done # and dependencies might bring you to a halt. |
| 07:21.23 | peterrooney | dpkg: dpkg |
| 07:21.23 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 07:21.31 | peterrooney | dpkg: dpkgbot |
| 07:21.32 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 07:22.15 | peterrooney | is wondering what sebas-89 might really be trying to accomplish |
| 07:24.02 | homes | we may see in his follow up questions |
| 07:24.30 | sebas-89 | dpkg -i *ABC*deb doesn't work |
| 07:24.30 | dpkg | package *ABC*deb doesn't work is already installed |
| 07:25.00 | Casperin | I have a class next semester which is an introduction to programming using Java, so I just set up a Debian in a virtual box so I can get a head start. What do I need to install to quickly get going with some java tuts? JRE? JDK? |
| 07:25.18 | sebas-89 | I'm experimenting |
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| 07:27.02 | peterrooney | dpkg: install java |
| 07:27.03 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old sun-java6-* packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 07:27.49 | matlads | Casperin: have you considered openjdk-7-jdk? |
| 07:28.15 | sebas-89 | peterrooney: Is there any way more simple? |
| 07:28.20 | Casperin | I have no gui installed, so it looks like openjdk-7 is the one? |
| 07:28.34 | Casperin | jdk or jre? |
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| 07:29.30 | peterrooney | sebas-89: how many debs have you downloaded? |
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| 07:30.25 | sebas-89 | peterrooney: Just I am experimenting, really now I haven't packages for install |
| 07:31.00 | sebas-89 | before I need that |
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| 07:31.35 | sebas-89 | packages with many versions of one program for example |
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| 07:32.41 | sebas-89 | *needed |
| 07:33.11 | peterrooney | sebas-89: dpkg expects to work on one package (or package file (aka .deb) ) at a time. |
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| 07:34.07 | sebas-89 | peterrooney: oh, ok buddy, thanks so |
| 07:34.21 | sebas-89 | I should go |
| 07:34.31 | peterrooney | ,versions openjdk-7-jdk |
| 07:34.32 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jdk on i386 -- wheezy: 7~u3-2.1.1~pre1-2; sid: 7~u3-2.1.1-1 |
| 07:34.35 | sebas-89 | bye |
| 07:34.44 | matlads | sebas-89: you can use dselect *.deb |
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| 07:37.45 | Casperin | peterrooney: thanks :) |
| 07:38.07 | peterrooney | ,versions openjdk-6-jdk |
| 07:38.08 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jdk on i386 -- lenny: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze1; sid: 6b24-1.11.1-6; wheezy: 6b24-1.11.1-6 |
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| 07:41.29 | Casperin | I'm Debian 6.0 |
| 07:41.35 | Casperin | i386 |
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| 07:45.09 | peterrooney | Casperin: that's squeeze |
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| 07:45.23 | Casperin | yup… downloading 6-jdk |
| 07:45.30 | CRUNK | hey guys im using one of those kmuto kernels but i ended up installing not the latest one (ie the latest kmuto is like kernel 3.2 and im on 2.6.38) but im trying to install the kmuto nvidia driver but its assuming the 3.2 kernel... i did apt-get update what is the safest way to upgrade to the latest kmuto kernel image? |
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| 08:34.18 | obiwah | damn |
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| 08:42.59 | danboid | Whens the cut off date for new apps getting into Wheezy or has it been and gone? |
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| 08:45.50 | nkuttler | !tell danboid about freeze |
| 08:46.49 | danboid | Thanks nkuttler ! |
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| 09:02.04 | jelly-home | danboid: the topic will probably say when wheezy gets frozen |
| 09:03.38 | rgenito | hmm, i have my usb storage devices automatically mount to /media/usb |
| 09:04.03 | rgenito | ...how can i give anyone in the "usbdrive" group the ability to read, write, and execute anything in /media/usb ? |
| 09:04.14 | rgenito | (or at least the ability to read/write anything in /media/usb) |
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| 09:08.04 | rgenito | sigh |
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| 09:09.13 | peterrooney | wheezy pool 1 |
| 09:09.26 | peterrooney | dpkg: wheezy pool 1 |
| 09:09.27 | dpkg | ! comps=2013-02-20 ml|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 09:09.42 | peterrooney | dpkg: wheezy pool |
| 09:09.42 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
| 09:11.30 | rainfyre | that's crazy |
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| 09:27.26 | ggherdov | Hi all. Debian squeeze down here. I see that my /var/cache/apt taking a lot of space. Can I tell apt to do some cleaning there? or is it some necessary data? |
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| 09:28.01 | nkuttler | ggherdov: apt-get clean/autoclean |
| 09:28.09 | ggherdov | nkuttler: ok good! thanks |
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| 09:28.39 | derpella | I need help, power went down during dist upgrade and wicd doesn't work... How else can I make pc connect through ethernet cable? |
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| 09:29.10 | danboid | if a package isn't already in sid or experimental it'd be impossible for something to get into wheezy now would it? It seems to normally take a few weeks or so for stuff to get out of sid into testing |
| 09:29.15 | nkuttler | derpella: try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 09:29.46 | derpella | thanks |
| 09:29.54 | danboid | I'm talking a brand new package to debian |
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| 09:32.25 | peterrooney | danboid: to the best of my knowledge, true due to definition of stable. |
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| 09:33.23 | homes | would be a bit disappointing if it could skip the normal QA process |
| 09:33.41 | homes | danboid: maybe the best way would be to get it into bpo? |
| 09:34.16 | derpella | nkuttler: oops, processing aborted because there was too many errors... |
| 09:34.47 | derpella | does it mean I only can format now? |
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| 09:35.12 | derpella | or maybe I can repair packets from usb drive or something? |
| 09:37.06 | rgenito | anyone know much about getting chinese input/fonts on Debian? |
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| 09:40.55 | bigblack | ** BLACK CAVIAR - Racing Today for 22 WINS from 22 Races - Show your support! - JOIN @ http://www.BlackCaviarForum.com ** |
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| 09:41.15 | uberushaximus | rgenito: do you want pinyin to hanzi input? |
| 09:41.26 | inspira | hola |
| 09:42.29 | uberushaximus | rgenito: I used "scim-pinyin" on ubuntu back in the dat |
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| 09:42.34 | uberushaximus | s/dat/day/ |
| 09:42.38 | nkuttler | derpella: pastebin your errors |
| 09:43.40 | uberushaximus | or maybe it was "ibus-pinyin" |
| 09:43.43 | uberushaximus | probably that one |
| 09:43.48 | derpella | I used -f -m and it's doing something |
| 09:43.56 | rgenito | uberushaximus, yes, pinyin to hanzi |
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| 09:45.31 | rgenito | ty for the info uberushaximus :) |
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| 09:58.42 | jelly-home | wtf |
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| 10:01.32 | grandie | experienced keyboard and mouse lockup in my gui login, have since corrected problem now login on cli |
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| 10:01.44 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 10:02.23 | zmitya | I just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy.. how can I turn off loging from /proc/kmsg with the new syslog-ng 3.3 ? |
| 10:02.37 | zmitya | I could do that with 3.1, but not with this new one.. |
| 10:03.00 | grandie | can start kde with startx, would like to know if it is possible to start gnome the same way, how do i do that? |
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| 10:04.01 | zmitya | grandie: service gdm start ? |
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| 10:04.37 | grandie | zmitya: thanks i'll give it a try. |
| 10:05.08 | zmitya | but that just a desktop manager, there you will be able to choose kde/gnome/etc.. |
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| 10:06.20 | grandie | is it possible to just start gnome the same way i start kde with startx, something like startz |
| 10:06.34 | homes | am running debian on a netbook from 2008 :) |
| 10:07.50 | syslq | homes: congrats |
| 10:08.09 | zmitya | grandie: startx starts the default desktop manager. you should change the default and startx will start gnome I believe |
| 10:08.44 | matlads | homes: i think you can set the environment variable WINDOW_MANAGER before runing startx |
| 10:09.17 | matlads | homes: i think its something like this |
| 10:09.43 | matlads | WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/gnome-wm startx |
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| 10:11.12 | grandie | zmitya: i would like to be able to switch between the 2 as i have not made up my mind on which is better for me "no flames please" |
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| 10:15.26 | zmitya | grandie: thats fine, I just can't understand why it is not good for you to select the DM within kdm/gdm ? |
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| 10:16.02 | jelly-home | does startx use ~/.dmrc ? |
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| 10:17.52 | grandie | zmitya: since my system locked up and i switched to a cli login i would prefer to stay with that and start windows later. |
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| 10:19.12 | grandie | jelly-home: dose it, i would like to have a startx that is switchable between kde and gnome if it were possible. |
| 10:19.51 | zmitya | grandie: then change the session parameter in .dmrc, then do startx |
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| 10:20.33 | jelly-home | zmitya: so it does? |
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| 10:20.48 | cx-index | grandie: i belive startx is using ~/.xinitrc. so, u can make an alias. something like: alias startx-gnome = "echo exec gnome-session > ~/.xinitrc; startx" |
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| 10:21.33 | cx-index | and the same for kde. not sure about *-session string though |
| 10:21.36 | grandie | cx-index: that might be just what the doctor ordered. |
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| 10:47.05 | _aeris_ | <cx-index> and the same for kde. not sure about *-session string though |
| 10:47.19 | _aeris_ | kde has already a startkde command |
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| 10:48.14 | multiHYP | hi |
| 10:48.28 | multiHYP | why is debian so much larger than ubuntu? |
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| 10:49.20 | jmd | hOW DO i TURN OFF MY cAPS lOCK? |
| 10:49.33 | _aeris_ | <multiHYP> why is debian so much larger than ubuntu? |
| 10:49.39 | _aeris_ | it's much smaller ! |
| 10:49.59 | multiHYP | no its a whole dvd for its default packages |
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| 10:50.09 | multiHYP | but ubuntu is what 700mb? |
| 10:50.12 | SpComb | multiHYP: use netinst |
| 10:50.12 | _aeris_ | not |
| 10:50.13 | jmd | _aeris_, dEBIAN HAS LOGTS OF DIFFERENCE ARCHITECTURES. uBUNTU HAS ONLY ONE. |
| 10:50.22 | _aeris_ | with only CD1, all is installable |
| 10:50.34 | multiHYP | ok so the additional is for architecture dependencies? |
| 10:50.35 | _aeris_ | with only 50Mo and net, all is installable |
| 10:50.41 | _aeris_ | no |
| 10:50.41 | peterrooney | multiHYP: you misunderstand what "default packages" means. |
| 10:50.47 | _aeris_ | there is so much dvd |
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| 10:50.54 | _aeris_ | but this is ALL packages |
| 10:51.06 | multiHYP | ok so if I have a 10GB HD and install debian, less space is occupied than ubuntu? |
| 10:51.08 | _aeris_ | not just « default » |
| 10:51.28 | multiHYP | thats what I am comparing... |
| 10:51.29 | _aeris_ | i install debian on less than 1GB |
| 10:51.34 | peterrooney | multiHYP: that depends entirely on what packages _you_ choose to install. |
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| 10:51.56 | multiHYP | well I am downloading and installing the iso image each OS is providing me. |
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| 10:52.25 | _aeris_ | on my workstation, /dev/mapper/debian-root is 8,5G |
| 10:52.35 | multiHYP | so :D |
| 10:52.40 | _aeris_ | and it's a very fully compilation factory |
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| 10:53.14 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a new problem with Flash. My videos play with very low sound on youtube (flashplugin-nonfree). However I've the latest version installed |
| 10:53.18 | multiHYP | _aeris_: I know it is possible for linus to end up with a debian that is < 1GB, but.... |
| 10:53.19 | _aeris_ | a standard desktop may be less than 1 or 2GB |
| 10:53.20 | jelly-home | multiHYP: what purpose does comparing default installed size serve? |
| 10:53.42 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > full featured desktop dist for < 1GB |
| 10:53.52 | _aeris_ | with KDE standard |
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| 10:53.59 | jmd | jelly-home, iT COULD TELL YOU WHICH os MIGHT AND MIGHT NOT FIT ON YOUR COMPUTER? |
| 10:54.11 | multiHYP | jmd: thanks :) |
| 10:54.15 | _aeris_ | jmd > caps lock :þ |
| 10:54.23 | derpella | Hello, struggles with powerdown during dist-upgrade again... Now some vlc packet blocks EVERYTHING, no dpkg --configure -a, no apt-get -f install and no apt-get dist-upgrade -f works... |
| 10:54.38 | multiHYP | jelly-home: I need an excuse to ask that question? |
| 10:54.44 | blackshirt | use aptitude instead |
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| 10:54.59 | _aeris_ | derpella > Now some vlc packet blocks EVERYTHING ← dpkg -r all faulty |
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| 10:55.03 | _aeris_ | and reinstall |
| 10:55.24 | jelly-home | multiHYP: no, I'm trying to figure out what you're doing. What's your goal? |
| 10:55.25 | jmd | _aeris_, nO. i TRIED THAT: |
| 10:55.31 | jmd | john@muse:~$ caps lock |
| 10:55.31 | jmd | bash: caps: command not found |
| 10:55.42 | jelly-home | jmd: please reboot the system if you don't know better. |
| 10:55.43 | _aeris_ | jmd > caps lock key… |
| 10:55.49 | multiHYP | to occupy as little space on my HD as possible. |
| 10:56.03 | multiHYP | with a default easy image installation of either ubuntu or debian |
| 10:56.08 | jmd | jelly-home, dO YOU WORK FOR mICROSOFT SUPPORT? |
| 10:56.12 | multiHYP | so far I have ubuntu, because its smaller. |
| 10:56.38 | derpella | _aeris_: blackshirt; I am in no position for testing options, what should I exactly write into tty? :((( |
| 10:56.42 | jelly-home | !ops jmd capslock |
| 10:56.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: jmd capslock |
| 10:56.46 | jmd | _aeris_, mY cAPS lOCK KEY IS MAPPED TO cTRL |
| 10:57.09 | multiHYP | anyway, _aeris_ how can I get the smallest debian installed, which image to choose? my arch is amd64. |
| 10:57.15 | jelly-home | multiHYP: oh, you have a very small disk? |
| 10:57.20 | multiHYP | yes |
| 10:57.37 | _aeris_ | derpella > if « apt-get -f install » fail on « XXX » package, just « dpkg -r XXX » |
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| 10:57.47 | jelly-home | multiHYP: how small? You can start with a base debian installation and only install the packages you're actually going to use. |
| 10:57.51 | _aeris_ | and retry until apt-get -f install is ok |
| 10:58.16 | multiHYP | jelly-home: how basic is the base package? where is it? |
| 10:58.22 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > at work, i have debian on 2GB flash disk |
| 10:58.25 | multiHYP | I mean I need vim |
| 10:58.28 | derpella | jesus christ, thank you |
| 10:58.28 | peterrooney | "How do I fit debian on a very small disk" --> go through netinstall on expert setting, and don't install packages you don't want to. |
| 10:58.41 | multiHYP | _aeris_: that is bigger than ubuntu's default image I can get online! |
| 10:58.59 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > the flash is not full |
| 10:59.02 | jelly-home | multiHYP: i386 or amd64 were about 300-500MB last time I looked |
| 10:59.14 | _aeris_ | and you can remove all not used « default » debian package |
| 10:59.17 | multiHYP | so is it possible to get this blank base debian as an image? |
| 10:59.27 | multiHYP | _aeris_: I can't |
| 10:59.42 | _aeris_ | if you install with netinst and apt-get only needed packages, footprint will be very low |
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| 10:59.43 | multiHYP | I can install new dpkg but not get rid of them |
| 10:59.55 | jelly-home | multiHYP: use the normal installer, when it comes to the task selection part, deselect everything. |
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| 11:00.05 | multiHYP | _aeris_: again it seems not as low as a plain ubuntu image would be. |
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| 11:00.19 | multiHYP | also again can I get this base as a image on my local disk? |
| 11:00.30 | multiHYP | internet connection would be an issue for net installation |
| 11:00.32 | _aeris_ | 55MB with everything dechecked on last setup page |
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| 11:00.47 | multiHYP | jelly-home: that sounds good |
| 11:01.00 | _aeris_ | and after installing it on some VM, clone the disk =) |
| 11:01.06 | multiHYP | so I get the dvd1 but uncheck everything. |
| 11:01.13 | _aeris_ | or use FAI to build your debian dist |
| 11:01.22 | multiHYP | where is FAI? |
| 11:02.00 | _aeris_ | http://fai-project.org/ |
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| 11:02.26 | jelly-home | fai seems to be great for large installations |
| 11:02.43 | _aeris_ | and CD1 is enough |
| 11:02.44 | jelly-home | hundreds of machines or more |
| 11:02.50 | multiHYP | nah FAI is not good |
| 11:03.01 | _aeris_ | <jelly-home> hundreds of machines or more |
| 11:03.03 | multiHYP | CD1 okay |
| 11:03.11 | _aeris_ | yep, but can build custom debian CD |
| 11:03.22 | _aeris_ | with just needed packages |
| 11:03.23 | multiHYP | why are you posting each others messages? |
| 11:03.56 | multiHYP | _aeris_: no i am okay with a large CD or DVD but the destination HD should not become large |
| 11:04.07 | _aeris_ | because conversation interleave =) |
| 11:04.22 | multiHYP | _aeris_: <jelly-home> hundreds of machines or more <- this was clearly duplication. |
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| 11:04.38 | AnalDialate | Anybody here sick and tired of fucking niggers? |
| 11:04.41 | AnalDialate | I am! |
| 11:04.43 | jelly-home | !ops AnalDialate |
| 11:04.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: AnalDialate |
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| 11:04.50 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > with CD1 and all unchecked at last page, HD will be < 1GB |
| 11:04.51 | AnalDialate | That is why I am a member of a forum called Chimpout! |
| 11:05.05 | AnalDialate | The link is right here buddy! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 11:05.09 | multiHYP | anyway 1 second I get the cd and might have a little bit of questions regarding the installation |
| 11:05.14 | multiHYP | wth was that? |
| 11:05.15 | _aeris_ | and you can install what you want from the CD1, which contain most usefull packages |
| 11:05.18 | AnalDialate | This special niggerhating forum is NOT white supremacist! |
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| 11:05.23 | AnalDialate | I myself am a Mexican! |
| 11:05.31 | _aeris_ | use DVD1 for more common packages |
| 11:05.37 | AnalDialate | Pretty much, if you are not a NIGGER and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms! |
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| 11:05.41 | multiHYP | like cd1 has vim? |
| 11:05.45 | AnalDialate | Join this special forum called Chimpout today! |
| 11:05.46 | multiHYP | or bash? |
| 11:05.55 | multiHYP | I need those definitely |
| 11:06.00 | _aeris_ | yep |
| 11:06.02 | AnalDialate | The link is right here multihyp http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 11:06.04 | _aeris_ | vim is on CD1 |
| 11:06.06 | multiHYP | and gcc |
| 11:06.18 | _aeris_ | bash is mandatory, so on CD1 |
| 11:06.24 | _aeris_ | gcc too i think |
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| 11:06.35 | multiHYP | now he's spamming me, can someone kick AnalDialate |
| 11:06.39 | multiHYP | ? |
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| 11:06.57 | jelly-home | use the /ignore Luke |
| 11:06.58 | multiHYP | is llvm or clang available on debian yet? |
| 11:07.07 | jelly-home | ,i clang |
| 11:07.09 | mooperd | hi, when was drbd in debian? |
| 11:07.10 | judd | Package clang (devel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), C language family frontend. Version: 2.7-3; Size: 6755.7k; Installed: 16040k; Homepage: http://www.llvm.org/ |
| 11:07.15 | mooperd | mainline |
| 11:07.29 | multiHYP | so not in the stable release yet? |
| 11:07.33 | Woet | how will that stop him from spamming you? |
| 11:07.51 | multiHYP | he is posting in here... |
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| 11:08.15 | multiHYP | first time i see such crap on irc |
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| 11:08.31 | AnalDialate | woet Are you sick and tired of fucking niggers? |
| 11:08.38 | AnalDialate | I am mooperd! |
| 11:08.39 | Woet | waves |
| 11:08.49 | AnalDialate | YOu all should just join Chimpout Forum today! jelly-home |
| 11:09.06 | multiHYP | don't you see the above ^^^ |
| 11:09.08 | AnalDialate | The link is right here_aeris_! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 11:09.11 | jelly-home | multiHYP: ignore it, either mentally or use "/ignore AnalDialate", do not comment on it and wait for ops or ask in #freenode to deal with it if ops are idling like now |
| 11:09.20 | multiHYP | here _aeris_ gets tagged too |
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| 11:11.04 | multiHYP | thanks be back when installation is done. |
| 11:11.06 | multiHYP | :) |
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| 11:11.18 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > if you want the list of packages on CD1 |
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| 11:11.27 | _aeris_ | just mount it with loop |
| 11:11.28 | Woet | thanks erry |
| 11:11.35 | _aeris_ | and look into it =) |
| 11:11.51 | multiHYP | ok |
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| 11:12.52 | tremon | _aeris_: there's also http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/ |
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| 11:13.29 | _aeris_ | not stupid =) |
| 11:13.33 | grondilu_ | Is it safe to install the ubuntu Tribler's package on debian sid? |
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| 11:14.29 | _aeris_ | grondilu_ > try it, if ok so it's safe :þ |
| 11:14.57 | tralala | grondilu_, generally it's not safe to mix distros, but it works sometimes. |
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| 11:18.45 | jelly-home | grondilu_: mixing binary packages from different distros is seldom a good idea. Taking the package source and rebuilding it for your distro and release might be safer. |
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| 11:19.26 | grondilu_ | yes indeed I should try to compile it |
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| 11:28.14 | linnoobie | hi ! |
| 11:28.50 | theo` | hi linnoobie |
| 11:30.00 | linnoobie | is it possible to make the netinstall iso work with an USB device (debian 6 stable) ? when i tried it, long time ago, it was a failure ! it searched for a CD device, which in this case didn't exist |
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| 11:31.12 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 11:31.13 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 11:31.41 | jelly-home | linnoobie: ^^ |
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| 11:33.15 | linnoobie | thanks you ! i gonna read that :) |
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| 11:35.39 | proby | hi , how to disable system bell?? |
| 11:37.13 | mooperd | Is there a list of debian releases and which kernels they came with? Im trying to find out when 2.6.33 was introduced. |
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| 11:38.44 | cx-index | proby: u can try rmmod pcspkr. works for me |
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| 11:38.48 | jmd | proby, xset |
| 11:39.27 | proby | jmd thx |
| 11:39.27 | jmd | proby, iF YOU'RE USING x, THAT IS. |
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| 11:40.24 | proby | jmd thx it works :p :p |
| 11:40.27 | mjmt | cx-index: How do you do that? rc.local? |
| 11:40.30 | proby | xset b off |
| 11:40.36 | jelly-home | mooperd: it never was. squeeze has 2.6.32, wheezy will likely go with 3.2 |
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| 11:41.17 | mooperd | jelly-home: So when was drbd introduced into debian? http://www.drbd.org/download/mainline/ |
| 11:41.37 | cx-index | mjmt: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 11:41.39 | proby | damn installing debian from usb and i felt like installing gentoo , had to fix everything , and now am happy and very tired :p |
| 11:42.00 | jelly-home | mooperd: you can read any of the official package changelogs, see if you find anything in there: eg. on wheezy you might have /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.2.0-2-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 11:43.19 | mooperd | jelly-home: uhm. Im don't have debian installed. |
| 11:43.55 | jelly-home | mooperd: linux-2.6 (2.6.32-12) unstable: [...] * Add DRBD backport [...] Sat, 01 May 2010 02:58:31 +0100 |
| 11:44.06 | linnoobie | jelly-home: no problem will appear with the ImageWriter ? (i already had some problems with unetbootin) |
| 11:44.23 | jelly-home | linnoobie: I don't have any experience with it. |
| 11:44.32 | mooperd | jelly-home: hum |
| 11:44.39 | linnoobie | so, i'll see that myself ^^ |
| 11:45.05 | linnoobie | thanks you, and have a nice day ! |
| 11:47.39 | mooperd | jelly-home: what is meant by 'unstable' |
| 11:48.33 | jelly-home | mooperd: the branch/"release" of Debian the package was uploaded to |
| 11:49.17 | jelly-home | !wayttd mooperd |
| 11:49.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mooperd? |
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| 11:50.19 | jelly-home | mooperd: that would make Debian 6.0 "squeeze" the first release with drbd kernel support if that's all you're after |
| 11:50.24 | mooperd | Someone at work did some tests with drbd on debian and pronounced it 'unstable and slow' but will not tell me how he set it up or configured it. |
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| 11:50.55 | mooperd | jelly-home: exactly. He hacked it together |
| 11:51.02 | multiHYP | wow, debian language/locale support is better than any commercially available sanctioned product I have ever seen out there! |
| 11:52.12 | mooperd | Hacked it together with channel bonded ethernet. |
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| 11:52.31 | jelly-home | mooperd: that release date suggests squeeze can be used for drbd without any additional software |
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| 11:53.55 | mooperd | jelly-home: thanks. |
| 11:54.08 | mooperd | jelly-home: Debian versioning always confuses me |
| 11:54.34 | jelly-home | it might still mean it works badly, like your coworker describes it |
| 11:54.36 | multiHYP | which os has faster better ports of pkgs, ubuntu or debian? |
| 11:54.55 | tralala | debian |
| 11:55.03 | multiHYP | cool cheers |
| 11:55.14 | jelly-home | multiHYP: ubuntu has faster releases and a much smaller range of packaged software |
| 11:55.31 | multiHYP | yes, which is bad(limited) |
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| 11:55.51 | jelly-home | it depends on your needs |
| 11:55.52 | multiHYP | I know from experience I had to get a debian pkg of some thing and put them on ubuntu |
| 11:56.01 | tralala | multiHYP, think about it - you're asking #debian. If we thought ubuntu was better this would be #ubuntu. |
| 11:56.18 | multiHYP | also add them manually to the list of update links |
| 11:56.32 | multiHYP | just double checking... |
| 11:56.33 | multiHYP | :) |
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| 11:56.59 | multiHYP | am I in trouble if I know only a lot of iptables and little about ubuntu? |
| 11:57.05 | multiHYP | being on debian. |
| 11:58.00 | multiHYP | I am thinking if safe I might move my production server to debian too. though I don't know what debian OS (pkg wise) my cloud provider uses. |
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| 12:00.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell multiHYP about debian handbook |
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| 12:00.37 | multiHYP | great, was about to ask for that :) |
| 12:01.01 | jelly-home | available in dead-tree edition as well |
| 12:01.19 | tremon | if I add a new pcm output in .asoundrc, how can I make it show up in aplay -L? |
| 12:01.39 | tremon | should probably ask that in #alsa |
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| 12:02.15 | multiHYP | is debian using SysV or .rc? |
| 12:02.25 | multiHYP | or none? |
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| 12:04.10 | multiHYP | default webserver is apache? |
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| 12:04.29 | multiHYP | i use nginx, so left it unchecked. |
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| 12:05.26 | jelly-home | multiHYP: if you're installing a server for a particular purpose, you might want to uncheck all the tasks and build up from the base system |
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| 12:05.49 | jelly-home | multiHYP: SysV or .rc what? init? Debian uses sysvinit. |
| 12:05.50 | multiHYP | yes just did ssh and the absolute necessary ones. |
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| 12:06.04 | multiHYP | ok so different than traditional unix. |
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| 12:06.49 | fraak | Hey |
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| 12:07.22 | jelly-home | has no idea what traditional unix is, System V and BSD being both 25+ years old |
| 12:07.41 | multiHYP | yes |
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| 12:07.53 | multiHYP | 25+ age being traditional :) |
| 12:08.13 | multiHYP | i meant BSD above |
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| 12:15.48 | gyaresu | snort-mysql 2.8.5.2-8 upgrade error via aptitude. Where can I look to get more information? |
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| 12:16.37 | nkuttler | !tell gyaresu about bts |
| 12:16.47 | aguitel | how install nvidia-173 in testing ? |
| 12:17.18 | nkuttler | what's nvidia-173? |
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| 12:17.40 | aguitel | driver for old nvidia graphic card |
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| 12:18.02 | gyaresu | nkuttler: Thanks, but I've already been searching for the error code or something specific to the version. I can't find why it's not installing. So I'm asking where to find more information regarding the aptitude failure. /var/log/aptitude is useless. |
| 12:18.14 | nkuttler | aguitel: i don't think any old drivers are packaged for testing |
| 12:18.47 | nkuttler | gyaresu: how about showing us the error? |
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| 12:19.21 | aguitel | nkuttler: see that :http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx |
| 12:19.34 | nkuttler | aguitel: good for you! |
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| 12:19.45 | aguitel | how install it |
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| 12:20.20 | gyaresu | http://paste2.org/p/2058692 |
| 12:20.22 | nkuttler | aguitel: apt-cache search foo |
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| 12:21.00 | nkuttler | ,v snort-mysql |
| 12:21.01 | judd | Package: snort-mysql on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.7.0-19+lenny1; lenny: 2.7.0-20.4; squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2-3; sid: 2.9.2.2-2 |
| 12:21.28 | nkuttler | gyaresu: hm.. the postinst script is failing. debug it |
| 12:21.40 | nkuttler | gyaresu: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst |
| 12:21.47 | gyaresu | nkuttler: cheers. |
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| 12:22.04 | nkuttler | gyaresu: set -x at the top for more verbose output |
| 12:22.33 | multiHYP | what continouos integration system do people use for weekly debian release? |
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| 12:23.06 | nkuttler | multiHYP: weekly debian release? |
| 12:23.44 | multiHYP | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 12:23.58 | thomaschaaf | Hello I am currently trying to get my logo to show up during boot. For this I have found plymouth to be very well supported. Sadly there is a conflict with the packages I have installed. http://pastie.org/4137539 I don't want to uninstall X though. |
| 12:24.13 | proby | hi , how to put a fixed terminal size?? |
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| 12:25.35 | gyaresu | nkuttler: Where should I set -x in the file? http://paste2.org/p/2058696 |
| 12:25.50 | nkuttler | gyaresu: second line |
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| 12:27.48 | gyaresu | nkuttler: snort-mysql install with 'set -x' on second line of .postinst http://paste2.org/p/2058698 |
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| 12:31.32 | nkuttler | gyaresu: it looks like the command "exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/snort-mysql.postinst configure 2.7.0-20.4" fails.. you should probably file a bug report |
| 12:31.55 | nkuttler | gyaresu: or actually, you could dpkg-reconfigure debconf and try to switch to a different frontend as a workaround |
| 12:32.21 | nkuttler | gyaresu: but still report a bug and specify your debconf frontend |
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| 12:32.48 | gyaresu | nkuttler: Doing now. Thanks a lot. Learnt something about debugging then. Cheers. |
| 12:32.57 | nkuttler | gyaresu: yw |
| 12:34.28 | tremon | DEBCONF_DEBUG=1 /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/snort-mysql.postinst configure 2.7.0-20.4 would probably be useful |
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| 12:35.38 | gyaresu | Changing to 'readline' didn't improve the install. |
| 12:36.03 | nkuttler | gyaresu: what tremon just said |
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| 12:38.11 | gyaresu | Sorry, do you mean to run that prior to the install as a one liner e.g. $ DEBCONF_DEBUG=1 /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/snort-mysql.postinst configure 2.7.0-20.4 |
| 12:38.14 | gyaresu | ? |
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| 12:42.16 | tremon | gyaresu: doesn't really matter, as long as the new package version is still installed, not configured |
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| 12:42.56 | tremon | you can run probably run it now, and it that doesn't work then try DEBCONF_DEBUG=1 apt-get install snort-mysql |
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| 12:43.38 | tremon | *doesn't work == doesn't give you more useful information, it won't solve the issue |
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| 12:43.44 | gyaresu | tremon: Same error. |
| 12:44.02 | gyaresu | Yep. Ok, I'll just submit the bug and see what feedback I get. Thanks also for your help. |
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| 12:52.12 | D-Boy | I can't ping ipv6 hosts, /etc/init.d/networking restart is showing failed to bring up eth0, how can i resolve that without rebooting the server ? |
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| 12:52.56 | D-Boy | /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated, what should i use in the future ? |
| 12:53.22 | tralala | D-Boy, what are you trying to do? |
| 12:53.36 | D-Boy | tralala : make the server able to ping ipv6 hosts |
| 12:53.58 | tralala | have you got ipv6 connectivity? |
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| 12:54.17 | D-Boy | tralala : yep, but somehow networking restart had failed |
| 12:54.18 | ompaul | f] |
| 12:54.27 | ompaul | D-Boy: service networking restart |
| 12:54.41 | D-Boy | ompaul : same error |
| 12:54.48 | D-Boy | ompaul : same warning though |
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| 12:55.25 | D-Boy | i'm quite sure if i reboot the server everything will be ok, but i'm trying to avoid that |
| 12:55.29 | tralala | D-Boy, how is restarting the network related to pinging ipv6? |
| 12:55.38 | ompaul | D-Boy: paste.debian.net /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:56.19 | D-Boy | tralala : no idea but last time i did the /etc/init.d/networking restart it did not bring up my ipv6 adresses |
| 12:56.32 | D-Boy | i did bring them up manually (ip add ...) |
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| 12:57.29 | tralala | show us /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:58.23 | D-Boy | tralala & ompaul : let me paste it |
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| 13:00.40 | D-Boy | tralala & ompaul : http://paste.debian.net/175971/ (i obfuscated some parts of the ips) |
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| 13:03.00 | ompaul | D-Boy: ehhhh not 24 and you still get that gateway/broadcast just asking 91.121.*.*/32 |
| 13:03.54 | ompaul | ahh reads more into it |
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| 13:05.07 | D-Boy | ompaul : it worked before and i did not change the file |
| 13:05.17 | ompaul | so something else changed |
| 13:05.25 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.27 | D-Boy | as i said before if i reboot it will work |
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| 13:06.16 | ompaul | do that record your values from ifconfig at that point check for differences between that and what you have in your interfaces file |
| 13:06.43 | ompaul | D-Boy: you using sixes or something? |
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| 13:06.58 | D-Boy | up /sbin/ip ==> /sbin/ip@ |
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| 13:07.33 | D-Boy | ompaul : sixes ? |
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| 13:07.50 | ompaul | six tunnel provider |
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| 13:08.18 | D-Boy | ompaul : i don't think so, it's an ovh server |
| 13:08.57 | ompaul | reboot get your data, it seems to me there is some discrepancy between the real world and your network config |
| 13:09.05 | ompaul | wonders what changed to make it fail |
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| 13:10.06 | D-Boy | ompaul : that's what i'm trying to avoir (rebooting) :), (i have an ircd running on ^^) |
| 13:10.18 | D-Boy | ompaul : thx anyway :) |
| 13:10.39 | ompaul | D-Boy: well what you have looks sane - but I don't know |
| 13:11.20 | ompaul | however when it is working it reports accurately what it has - that is the data you want to check against your interfaces file - 20second downtime wow |
| 13:11.21 | D-Boy | ompaul : some bug related with /etc/init.d/networking restart and the fact that it is deprecated and i used it anyway ? :/ |
| 13:11.36 | ompaul | it ain't a bug if it is deprecated |
| 13:11.51 | ompaul | misuse |
| 13:12.30 | ompaul | D-Boy: just restart record your data - ifconfig and see what the diff is |
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| 13:12.45 | D-Boy | ompaul : i'll stick a giant post-it : DON'T EVER USE NETWORKING RESTART AGAIN :D |
| 13:12.52 | D-Boy | ompaul : i will |
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| 13:13.19 | D-Boy | but i have to link another ircd and move the users to it first |
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| 13:37.35 | hyper_ch | hi there, when I do dpkg-reconfigure locals I first get a dialog to select which locales I want to install, then waht the default environment should be... is there a way to script that in a shell script instead? |
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| 13:37.55 | jelly-home | D-Boy: well. Use it when you have access to console. |
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| 13:38.29 | D-Boy | jelly-home : i always have acces to console, the server is NoGui |
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| 13:40.36 | jelly-home | D-Boy: then you can fix any problems from /etc/init.d/networking restart manually |
| 13:40.45 | _aeris_ | hyper_ch > just edit /etc/locale.gen and /etc/default/locale and run locale-gen |
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| 13:41.11 | D-Boy | jelly-home i wish i can ^^ (noob inside though) |
| 13:41.22 | hyper_ch | _aeris_: thx :) trying to write a full-install script for an arm device with debootstrap :) |
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| 13:42.10 | D-Boy | jelly-home : you want to give it a try ? the problem is i can't ping any ipv6 host |
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| 13:44.37 | jelly-home | D-Boy: I don't have 'v6 |
| 13:44.50 | CVirus | I accidentally used git commit -a instead of git commit filename so all of my working directory was committed to commit ab35e5 .. I tried to use git revert ab35e5 but all I got was another commit ... How can I get my working directory to the state it was at before I committed ab35e5 ? |
| 13:45.09 | oldtopman | CVirus: You might try #git |
| 13:45.31 | tremon | CVirus: git checkout HEAD^ will revert your working copy, but will not undo the commit |
| 13:45.32 | CVirus | oldtopman: oops .. really sorry |
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| 13:45.50 | oldtopman | No problem :) |
| 13:45.55 | CVirus | tremon: thanks a lot |
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| 13:47.05 | Dagger2 | D-Boy: your real problem is that you're on OVH, with their horribly broken IPv6 setup |
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| 13:50.45 | D-Boy | Dagger2 : *sigh* |
| 13:50.57 | D-Boy | i can't afford other solution for now :) |
| 13:52.20 | _aeris_ | D-Boy > you are on ks ? |
| 13:52.30 | _aeris_ | or standard ? |
| 13:52.57 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : ks |
| 13:53.05 | _aeris_ | ipv6 on ks is just broken |
| 13:53.36 | _aeris_ | you have to config ipv6 with ipv4 |
| 13:53.51 | _aeris_ | and not with 2 conf in /etc/network/interface |
| 13:54.03 | _aeris_ | wait a second |
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| 13:54.45 | _aeris_ | http://forum.kimsufi.com/showthread.php?t=9939 |
| 13:55.04 | _aeris_ | it's in french, but i have some trouble on ks with ipv6 |
| 13:55.29 | _aeris_ | one « not so bad working » solution is |
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| 13:56.54 | _aeris_ | http://pastebin.com/sQPszmY4 |
| 13:57.06 | _aeris_ | but ipv6 is not very stable on ks |
| 13:57.40 | Dagger2 | yeah, see, 2001:41D0:Y:YFF:FF:FF:FF:FF isn't inside 2001:41D0:Y:Y::1/64 |
| 13:57.43 | _aeris_ | for example since 2 days, all ssl connexion are just closed if you « burst » the connectivity |
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| 13:57.48 | Dagger2 | that's not how default routes are supposed to work |
| 13:57.48 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : yup i read a lot of posts before finding this configuration : http://paste.debian.net/175971/ |
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| 13:58.17 | D-Boy | i just broke it somehow and i need to reboot the server, i'm sure after rebooting it will work like a charm |
| 13:58.30 | _aeris_ | D-Boy > not working on ks |
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| 13:58.38 | _aeris_ | on standard brand it's ok |
| 13:58.40 | _aeris_ | not on ks |
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| 13:58.59 | _aeris_ | leads to RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 13:58.59 | _aeris_ | SIOCSIFADDR: File exists |
| 13:58.59 | _aeris_ | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 13:59.10 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : it's just worked for me, i'll catch up with you when i reboot the server |
| 13:59.46 | _aeris_ | yes but i guess your network card is on a strange state :þ |
| 13:59.49 | _aeris_ | route -6n |
| 14:00.27 | _aeris_ | and cat /etc/network/run/ifstate |
| 14:00.33 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : of course, it worked doesn't mean it was 'sane' i'm quite sure it's a dirty solution but meh, i'm not an advanced debian guy ^^ |
| 14:00.46 | _aeris_ | it's not fully working |
| 14:01.03 | _aeris_ | default route seems vanished after some days with normal net config |
| 14:01.15 | D-Boy | it did what i want at some point (binding ipv6 with services on that server) |
| 14:02.03 | _aeris_ | yep but a current working may become broken in few days |
| 14:02.21 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : cat /etc/network/run/ifstate have one line lo=lo |
| 14:02.27 | _aeris_ | yes |
| 14:02.36 | _aeris_ | your card is not booted… |
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| 14:02.54 | _aeris_ | ifdown/ifup eth0 will just fail if you used it |
| 14:03.09 | _aeris_ | for linux, this card is not managed |
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| 14:03.36 | _aeris_ | and you have ipv6 now but can vanish randomly |
| 14:04.09 | _aeris_ | and route -6n will not show you a correct default route |
| 14:04.21 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : it shows a lot of lines |
| 14:04.25 | D-Boy | let me paste them |
| 14:04.35 | _aeris_ | route -6n | grep ::/0 |
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| 14:05.16 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : http://paste.debian.net/175980/ |
| 14:05.35 | _aeris_ | yes, so the default gateway is not set :þ |
| 14:05.47 | _aeris_ | route -6n | grep ::/0 |
| 14:05.47 | _aeris_ | ::/0 2001:41d0:1:d4ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UG 1 5 2015 eth0 |
| 14:05.53 | _aeris_ | correct route =) |
| 14:06.21 | D-Boy | yes _aeris_ when i did networking restart days ago it doesn't bring any ipv6 adress i did up them manually |
| 14:06.37 | D-Boy | but i don"t know if it's possible to add the ipv6 gatewau manually |
| 14:06.38 | _aeris_ | your config works, but it's just random and totally accidentally |
| 14:06.46 | D-Boy | without networking restart |
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| 14:06.50 | _aeris_ | <D-Boy> but i don"t know if it's possible to add the ipv6 gatewau manually |
| 14:06.54 | _aeris_ | it's possible |
| 14:07.03 | D-Boy | okey, can you give me the command ? |
| 14:07.07 | _aeris_ | but broken ovh ipv6 refuse it |
| 14:07.12 | D-Boy | ah |
| 14:07.15 | D-Boy | doomed :D |
| 14:07.25 | Dagger2 | `ip -6 route add default via <IP>` is how you normally do it |
| 14:07.26 | _aeris_ | route -6 add default gw 2001:41d0:1:d4ff:ff:ff:ff:ff |
| 14:07.39 | D-Boy | ok; let me try |
| 14:07.43 | _aeris_ | but doing this and you have some errors |
| 14:08.11 | _aeris_ | ipv6 on ks is just a bunch of craps |
| 14:08.20 | _aeris_ | and i don't know why |
| 14:08.40 | _aeris_ | seems standard network card, standard kernel, standard routers… |
| 14:08.49 | _aeris_ | but all ipv6 stack is broken |
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| 14:08.57 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : no errors |
| 14:09.03 | _aeris_ | hum… |
| 14:09.04 | D-Boy | i have the ipv6 gateway now |
| 14:09.12 | D-Boy | and i can ping ipv6 hosts \o/ |
| 14:09.19 | _aeris_ | don't stay very long time =) |
| 14:09.29 | D-Boy | don't care for that atm :) |
| 14:09.30 | _aeris_ | one others problem i found |
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| 14:09.34 | D-Boy | thx ^^ |
| 14:09.44 | _aeris_ | ipv6 connectivity is not ok until you generate ipv6 output |
| 14:09.54 | _aeris_ | pinging ks from outside fail |
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| 14:10.09 | _aeris_ | pinging ipv6.google.com from ks is ok |
| 14:10.25 | _aeris_ | and repinging ks from outside pass ok this time… |
| 14:10.40 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : i can ping the server's ipv6 from outside |
| 14:10.46 | _aeris_ | yes |
| 14:10.53 | D-Boy | _aeris_ did you see my interfaces . |
| 14:10.54 | D-Boy | ? |
| 14:10.55 | _aeris_ | because you generate traffic from ks :þ |
| 14:11.09 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : http://paste.debian.net/175971/ |
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| 14:14.51 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : that config worked for all my ks servers, i just have to stay away from networking restart thingy ^^ |
| 14:14.55 | multiHYP | how much more (in terms of x) would my bandwidth usage increase if I used low-res vnc instead of ssh? |
| 14:15.09 | _aeris_ | D-Boy > stay away so :þ |
| 14:15.24 | D-Boy | _aeris_ : i have a BIG post-it ! won't happen again:D |
| 14:15.25 | _aeris_ | with this config, my uptime record is 2days :þ |
| 14:15.34 | D-Boy | we'll see ^^ |
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| 14:16.17 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > 1000 ? |
| 14:16.20 | _aeris_ | 100000 ? |
| 14:16.33 | _aeris_ | i don't know, but a lot i think |
| 14:16.37 | _aeris_ | ssh is very light |
| 14:16.40 | _aeris_ | vnc not |
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| 14:17.03 | multiHYP | oh :( |
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| 14:17.17 | multiHYP | I do need the terminal :) |
| 14:17.43 | _aeris_ | and vnc is not secur |
| 14:17.52 | multiHYP | I was thinking of using a GUI package manager but either way, the security and settings of the OS have to be fixed via terminal. |
| 14:17.56 | _aeris_ | so you have to use vnc over ssh :þ |
| 14:17.57 | multiHYP | yes |
| 14:18.11 | _aeris_ | why gui on a server ? |
| 14:18.18 | multiHYP | yes |
| 14:18.21 | _aeris_ | apt is good |
| 14:18.38 | multiHYP | its just I'm not as good in debian as I was in ubuntu |
| 14:18.46 | multiHYP | what I thought debian had dpkg |
| 14:18.51 | multiHYP | oh wait |
| 14:18.53 | _aeris_ | apt-get install foo |
| 14:18.57 | multiHYP | apt-get was ubuntu |
| 14:19.03 | multiHYP | aptitude too |
| 14:19.06 | _aeris_ | apt is debian too |
| 14:19.23 | multiHYP | what else is debian, something native that covers every scenario possible? |
| 14:20.18 | multiHYP | I don't like this, using multiple package managers. |
| 14:20.24 | _aeris_ | just apt-get |
| 14:21.03 | multiHYP | dpkg if covers everything would be nice. apt-get would be a repetition of ubuntu mess. I feel like macports or brew is even easier than managers on linux. |
| 14:21.04 | dpkg | multiHYP: what are you talking about? |
| 14:21.17 | cusco | multiHYP: you need to understand that ubuntu is based on debian. Meaning that dpkg (debian package manager) and apt, where in debian long before ubuntu |
| 14:21.17 | multiHYP | not you dpkg :) the software |
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| 14:21.37 | multiHYP | ok but they are 2 things, behaving differently |
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| 14:21.55 | cusco | apt is a library that provides front end intructions to dpkg |
| 14:21.56 | multiHYP | i need one that is the lowest common denominator on debian, which one is that? |
| 14:21.57 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > not the same purpose |
| 14:22.00 | cusco | !apt |
| 14:22.00 | dpkg | Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>. |
| 14:22.11 | _aeris_ | dpkg just install given package |
| 14:22.12 | dpkg | _aeris_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:22.26 | _aeris_ | apt manage and download dependencies |
| 14:22.34 | _aeris_ | and use dpkg to install the |
| 14:22.40 | _aeris_ | them* |
| 14:22.47 | multiHYP | so the main thing is apt and probably apt-get as a front-end. |
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| 14:23.06 | multiHYP | oh |
| 14:23.07 | _aeris_ | apt/apt-get is the same think |
| 14:23.15 | cusco | multiHYP: read what dpkg said |
| 14:23.24 | _aeris_ | synaptic is just a frontend to apt |
| 14:23.43 | cusco | multiHYP: apt is a library. apt-get, apt-cache, aptitude use this apt library |
| 14:23.49 | multiHYP | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 14:23.50 | ManoftheSea | !apt myths |
| 14:23.51 | dpkg | Myths about APT never seem to die, the principal one being you can't mix using different APT front-ends like apt-get and aptitude. This is false. If you need further convincing, see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9 and http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ . See also <why aptitude> and <why not aptitude> for real reasons to choose one over the other. |
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| 14:25.00 | multiHYP | ManoftheSea: but you could end up with your custom packages being installed in various different locations, i.e. under /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin or elsewhere. thats what i want to avoid up front. |
| 14:25.02 | cusco | multiHYP: Im sure that if you read that link a couple more times, you will have a different perception from it |
| 14:25.12 | multiHYP | ok |
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| 14:25.44 | cusco | multiHYP: debian packges aproved into the repos follow a standart |
| 14:25.47 | multiHYP | I think my problem is the people who make those packages, not obeying by the same rules or standards. |
| 14:25.48 | cusco | man hier |
| 14:25.52 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > where the package is installed doesn't care |
| 14:25.56 | multiHYP | yes thats a good one! |
| 14:26.07 | _aeris_ | only the package manager will have to look for this |
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| 14:26.24 | cusco | multiHYP: if you find a package not following a standart you can fill a bug against it |
| 14:26.34 | multiHYP | _aeris_: that is like saying windows registry is ok. :/ |
| 14:26.49 | _aeris_ | this is not the same thing |
| 14:27.14 | _aeris_ | registry is a bunch of craps because uninstall leaves orphan into it |
| 14:27.21 | multiHYP | yep |
| 14:27.22 | ManoftheSea | was this a mistell? |
| 14:27.25 | _aeris_ | the hive just grows over the time |
| 14:27.31 | multiHYP | orphans exist on linux too, don't they? |
| 14:27.44 | _aeris_ | with apt, you are sure all installed file are removed |
| 14:28.07 | multiHYP | don't say apt, we go back the full story again, with apt-get you mean? |
| 14:28.17 | _aeris_ | yep |
| 14:28.26 | _aeris_ | and dpkg to be exact |
| 14:28.33 | _aeris_ | this is the dpkg job |
| 14:28.51 | cusco | debconf even asks you if you want to keep files, say when you delete mysql-server |
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| 14:29.17 | Sia- | hi |
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| 14:29.33 | _aeris_ | install a package and remove it will let your system like it was before |
| 14:29.41 | multiHYP | ok cool |
| 14:30.05 | ManoftheSea | well, the conffiles remain |
| 14:30.11 | _aeris_ | the only exception is running data (for example mysql data) |
| 14:30.11 | ManoftheSea | if you purge it, it's like it was before. |
| 14:30.18 | cusco | you can apply 'purge' option |
| 14:30.19 | _aeris_ | and some custom config if you use it |
| 14:30.23 | cusco | it will remove everything |
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| 14:39.08 | SparFux | Hi all. I have been using debian ifupdown for years, and I think it's a debian specific way to setup the network. I am thinking about switching to some other mechanism which should be more flexible. Perhaps only some scripts, and debian netconf sounds promising but it's not ready for production use, as far as I know. Does anybody know of good network configuration tools for command line? |
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| 14:43.07 | lapsusbrutus | can I equip my co adventurers? or can I use my fellow wanderer "butcher" to butcher corpses? I do they just serve as biting and kicking enemies when they appear? |
| 14:43.39 | jelly-home | lapsusbrutus: ECHAN |
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| 14:47.24 | multiHYP | do you install things always as sudo? |
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| 14:48.55 | jelly-home | multiHYP: su is also a viable way to open a root shell |
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| 14:49.22 | multiHYP | I know, but how to decide something should be installed by user or by root? |
| 14:49.32 | jelly-home | in fact, sudo is used used to give permissions on specific commands to specific groups or users |
| 14:49.40 | multiHYP | I would gladly do all things as user, but sometimes its not possible. |
| 14:49.49 | jelly-home | multiHYP: user almost never gets to install things |
| 14:49.55 | multiHYP | oh |
| 14:51.21 | jelly-home | multiHYP: there are exceptions, esp. with installation methods outside of dpkg packaging system, like browser extensions or python virtualenv |
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| 14:52.06 | multiHYP | no lets remain inside dpkg system |
| 14:52.07 | multiHYP | :) |
| 14:52.24 | multiHYP | what is 2.6.32-5-all-amd64? |
| 14:52.32 | multiHYP | all or amd64? |
| 14:52.55 | multiHYP | better than 2.6-amd64 or missing things from 2.6-amd64 |
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| 14:53.07 | multiHYP | bad naming convention |
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| 14:55.48 | multiHYP | ok I'm freaked out, as root: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 build-essential |
| 14:56.05 | multiHYP | ^ required me the cd1 of installation instead of downloading it from the internet. |
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| 14:56.45 | jelly-home | multiHYP: if you have internet access, comment out the cd from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:59.28 | multiHYP | I can't |
| 14:59.30 | multiHYP | crap |
| 14:59.42 | multiHYP | as a root! |
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| 15:08.23 | aminpy | how can I install postgresql 9.x in squeeze? |
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| 15:09.38 | boudiccas | ,versions postgresql |
| 15:09.39 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+130~bpo60+2; wheezy: 9.1+130; sid: |
| 15:09.39 | judd | 9.1+131 |
| 15:09.46 | un214 | moving a bootable hd from a machine with a bad usb chip to a machine that only has usb keyboard has interesting behavior |
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| 15:10.14 | un214 | wouldn't have been a problem except for udevd decided to rename eth0 to eth1 |
| 15:10.23 | boudiccas | aminply get it from backports |
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| 15:12.02 | multiHYP | jelly-home: how would that solve it? |
| 15:12.15 | multiHYP | I still cannot get vim installed, also keyboard mapping is a mess. |
| 15:12.39 | multiHYP | I chose MacBook Pro (Intl) and still have literally no # character. Backspace won't work either. |
| 15:12.41 | multiHYP | :( |
| 15:13.27 | raptor67682 | question. how to record a radio stream : mimms http://87.117.201.159:8080/ |
| 15:13.31 | raptor67682 | with ffmfpeg |
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| 15:13.55 | jelly-home | raptor67682: streamripper seems to work |
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| 15:14.26 | mwcampbell | Anyone know why the sun12x22 console font isn't in Debian? |
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| 15:16.36 | SparFux1 | "Unfortunately, even if the ifupdown system fails to bring up the interface as intended, the "/etc/network/run/ifstate" file lists it active." I just don't like ifupdown, really. |
| 15:18.41 | multiHYP | basically my debian installation has no sources to lookup for new packages. |
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| 15:20.09 | SparFux1 | multiHYP: configure those in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 15:20.42 | multiHYP | how? from where? I have no clue where the potential sources are. |
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| 15:21.11 | multiHYP | I have no freaking # or even a viable keyboard mapping. so I cannot even type. |
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| 15:21.30 | jelly-home | multiHYP: pastebin your current /etc/apt/sources.list, then |
| 15:21.40 | multiHYP | consider it blank |
| 15:21.53 | jelly-home | multiHYP: in that case /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 15:22.18 | multiHYP | dpkg: squeeze sources.list |
| 15:22.18 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:22.33 | jelly-home | msg the bot next time, please |
| 15:22.41 | multiHYP | now imagine if that debian vm was my only machine. I was literally screwed. |
| 15:22.48 | multiHYP | yes sorry |
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| 15:27.34 | echo083 | can you recommend good distributions debian based ? |
| 15:28.07 | sney | echo083: this is #debian, we will always recommend debian. if you want to look at other distros go to www.distrowatch.com |
| 15:28.37 | echo083 | sney, yes but i can't install debian on my netbook it need proprietary drivers |
| 15:28.48 | echo083 | sney, it says i can load from an usb key |
| 15:28.49 | sney | for what hardware |
| 15:29.01 | echo083 | sney, for my wifi card |
| 15:29.07 | sney | what wifi card |
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| 15:29.16 | echo083 | sney, don't move |
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| 15:29.56 | echo083 | sney, broadcam sta |
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| 15:30.14 | echo083 | sney Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver for use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4321-, andBCM4322-based hardware. |
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| 15:32.27 | echo083 | sney, here ? |
| 15:32.33 | sney | yes I'm just checking something |
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| 15:33.20 | echo083 | sney, ok :) no problem |
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| 15:33.38 | sney | echo083: that card is supported by brcm80211, so you can use the firmware installer to install. |
| 15:33.40 | sney | !firmware image |
| 15:33.41 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 15:33.42 | echo083 | sney, it was installed automatically with ubuntu but with debian there is no repository providing them |
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| 15:34.22 | echo083 | sney, is there a debian repository like ubuntu partner repository ? providing closed source drivers ? |
| 15:34.39 | CRUNK | hey guys i am using one of the kmuto images because the official install CDs wont recognize some of my hardware or something (its a super new laptop), i installed a not old, but not latest kmuto image. what is the easiest way to upgrade kernels with apt? i am trying to upgrade images and it says that module-init-tools will break |
| 15:34.42 | sney | there are some things available in non-free, but it depends on the license |
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| 15:35.01 | sney | CRUNK: with the kernels from http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 15:35.19 | CRUNK | sney: so now will i forever be linked to these kernels? |
| 15:35.42 | echo083 | sney, yes i knew non free already :( |
| 15:36.52 | aguitel | i am in testing with xfce ,anyway to install mate ? |
| 15:37.00 | bzed | CRUNK: which kernel do you have now? |
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| 15:37.17 | bzed | CRUNK: you could try the kernel from backports, that might be new enough |
| 15:37.17 | sney | echo083: see dpkg's link, that installer contains the brcm80211 driver which supports your card, and the firmware it requires. |
| 15:37.27 | sney | bzed: that's what I just told him |
| 15:38.11 | sney | CRUNK: I'm not sure what you mean by forever linked to the kernel. it's an upgrade, it's an official debian package |
| 15:38.25 | CRUNK | bzed: 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 15:38.38 | sney | aguitel: mate is not in debian, there might be a 3rd party repository somewhere but that is not supported here |
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| 15:39.10 | CRUNK | bzed: i would have installed the latest kmuto but some of the firmware wasnt provided for my wifi, so i went with one earlier version (i have a lack of CDs and thumbdrives right now so i needed it all in one shot) |
| 15:39.15 | echo083 | sney, but during install i'm stuck :( |
| 15:39.22 | CRUNK | bzed: i am going to try and install the 3.2 kernel from the backports now |
| 15:39.25 | bzed | CRUNK: just use the recent kernel from backports |
| 15:39.31 | CRUNK | ok |
| 15:39.33 | echo083 | sney, it doesn't propose to download any package to fix the missing driver |
| 15:39.41 | aguitel | sney, ok |
| 15:39.52 | sney | echo083: are you using the FIRMWARE installer or the regular one? |
| 15:40.07 | sney | echo083: it does not need to download anything. it has the files on the iso. |
| 15:40.20 | sney | stop acting as if this is is ubuntu. |
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| 15:41.52 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 15:41.56 | sney | hi |
| 15:42.00 | echo083 | sney, i'm using netinstall |
| 15:42.06 | cousin_luigi | How do I tell ntpd to listen only locally? |
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| 15:42.16 | multiHYP | it turns out image mounting in debian is different than any other operating system. |
| 15:42.18 | multiHYP | http://blog.audiodog.co.uk/?p=138 |
| 15:42.22 | multiHYP | what a mess. |
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| 15:43.22 | stack | hello, I'm trying to execute a program as another user with `gksu -u user firefox` but I get this error (gksu:7375): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed |
| 15:43.27 | stack | what is the cause? |
| 15:43.28 | movl | multiHYP: trolling, are we? |
| 15:44.05 | multiHYP | nah have a look at 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom' |
| 15:44.08 | stack | (actually it uses sudo) |
| 15:44.14 | movl | stack: but it works, right? |
| 15:44.19 | stack | movl: no |
| 15:44.36 | movl | stack: stable? |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | multiHYP: and what? What's wrong with that? |
| 15:44.49 | tremon | stack: you need to either provide the name of the program or ask in #gnome |
| 15:44.56 | stack | movl: 6.0.5 |
| 15:45.06 | abrotman | tremon: he did .. firefox |
| 15:45.10 | stack | tremon: the program actually is firefox |
| 15:45.16 | multiHYP | well i don't think any os needs -t 9660 to be specified. |
| 15:45.29 | sney | echo083: you need to download the SPECIAL FIRMWARE NETINSTALL from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ as I told you already. |
| 15:45.30 | tremon | doh... |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | multiHYP: and you generally don't in debian either .. |
| 15:45.37 | multiHYP | also carom and cdrom0 are the same, no idea why these duplicates appear on my vm |
| 15:45.45 | movl | stack: have you tried gksu without -u? same result? |
| 15:45.45 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, restrict 192.168.1.0 mask 255.255.255.0 nomodify notrap |
| 15:45.51 | abrotman | multiHYP: is one a symlink ? |
| 15:45.56 | multiHYP | so why was it necessary in my case? |
| 15:46.05 | jelly-home | multiHYP: this is normal. You might have multiple cdroms. |
| 15:46.09 | stack | movl: running as root it works, btw any other program fails as -u theuser |
| 15:46.20 | cousin_luigi | echo083: Is that an example? |
| 15:46.23 | multiHYP | oh yes symlink |
| 15:46.30 | tremon | stack: I'd try to run from a terminal instead of using gksu, there may be more information |
| 15:46.34 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, yes adapt 192.168.1.0 for your subnet |
| 15:46.37 | stack | movl: running as root I mean gksu without -u |
| 15:46.37 | multiHYP | no why the -t flag was necessary |
| 15:46.45 | movl | stack: yes, I understand |
| 15:46.50 | cousin_luigi | echo083: But I want it to be available only locally. |
| 15:46.50 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-ntp.html |
| 15:46.55 | movl | stack: actually, what tremon says makes sense |
| 15:47.05 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, yes it is the command to restrict only locally ntpd |
| 15:47.17 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, not the command but the option to add to /etc/ntp.conf |
| 15:47.22 | stack | movl: I'm using gksu from a terminal, what does he mean? |
| 15:47.26 | stack | tremon: ^ |
| 15:47.53 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, i can put http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/firmware.tar.gz on a usb key and provide it during netinstall ? |
| 15:48.21 | movl | stack: go to a terminal, su - to that user and run FF |
| 15:48.25 | tremon | stack: I meant using su or sudo from a terminal, I was assuming that you were running gksu from a run dialog |
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| 15:48.33 | cousin_luigi | echo083: I'm confused. Will it still bind to eth0? |
| 15:49.02 | cousin_luigi | echo083: regarding the firmware question...I'm not sure |
| 15:49.09 | tremon | tremon: next step would be to attain a shell as the other user, then start firefox from the user's shell |
| 15:49.09 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, yes it will only restrict the access to ntpd to the local subnet |
| 15:49.10 | stack | movl: http://pastebin.com/DpVMEFND |
| 15:49.28 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, it was not for you the firmware question sorrt ! |
| 15:49.38 | echo083 | sney, i can put http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/firmware.tar.gz on a usb key and provide it during netinstall ? |
| 15:49.56 | tremon | stack: ^^ to determine if the glib error is from gksu or firefox |
| 15:50.25 | tremon | stack: ok, your other user doesn't have access to your X session |
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| 15:50.54 | cousin_luigi | echo083: that parameter doesn't work |
| 15:50.57 | tremon | stack: xhost +username |
| 15:51.08 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, you restarted ntpd ? |
| 15:51.16 | cousin_luigi | echo083: of course |
| 15:51.27 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, ok ;) what is your local ip ? |
| 15:51.37 | cousin_luigi | echo083: 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 15:51.42 | sney | echo083: you could, but the iso I just showed you is much easier. |
| 15:52.05 | abrotman | !tell stack about mit magic cookie |
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| 15:52.10 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, no the ip on your local subnet ifconfig |
| 15:52.22 | stack | tremon: xhost +localhost && gksu -u fire firefox , reports the same kind of error, also executing that command from a user shell |
| 15:52.26 | echo083 | sney, i don't want to burn a CD lol :) |
| 15:52.30 | cousin_luigi | echo083: 192.168.0.150 would be one, there's about 15 |
| 15:52.40 | echo083 | sney, if it still doesn't work i'll use the CD of course !! |
| 15:52.51 | sney | echo083: the firmware netinstall can also be written to a usb key, it is a hybrid image like CD1 and the other netinstall |
| 15:53.48 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, ok replace 192.168.1.0 by 192.168.0.0 in the option i provide you |
| 15:54.02 | echo083 | sney, i didn't thought about that indeed ! |
| 15:54.15 | cousin_luigi | echo083: the one you provided earlier or a new one? |
| 15:54.15 | sney | that's a first. |
| 15:54.39 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, add this line to you ntp.conf file : |
| 15:54.45 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, restrict 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 nomodify notrap |
| 15:54.59 | cousin_luigi | echo083: that's what I did and nothing has changed |
| 15:55.11 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-ntp.html |
| 15:55.12 | tremon | stack: sorry, out of suggestions |
| 15:55.17 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, section 30.10.3.3 Controlling Access to Your Server |
| 15:55.39 | multiHYP | ok slowly but surely getting the hang of it. british keyboard on a mac, in VM running debian is really awkward though. |
| 15:55.43 | cousin_luigi | restrict default ignore has a nice sound |
| 15:56.45 | cousin_luigi | echo083: but netstat still shows ntp bound to all the interfaces |
| 15:57.40 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, what displays netstat ? |
| 15:58.37 | multiHYP | is there a webkit nightly for debian? |
| 15:58.39 | cousin_luigi | echo083: about 20 lines like this udp 0 0 192.168.0.100:123 0.0.0.0:* |
| 15:58.43 | multiHYP | I see http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/webkit.html |
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| 15:58.54 | CRUNK | how can i see the packages i have installed via apt? i want to remove ALL nvidia related ones and re install them. i have a mix of backports and non-backports and its fuckin things up |
| 15:59.23 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, yes it probably listens to any interface but ntp will reject the requests coming from ip out of 192.168.0.0 |
| 15:59.37 | cousin_luigi | echo083: That's not the point. |
| 15:59.43 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, okkkkkkkk ok ok ok |
| 15:59.54 | cousin_luigi | echo083: I already filter accesses via iptables, but I don't want that garbage. |
| 15:59.55 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, i thought you wanted to restrict your ntpd access |
| 16:00.22 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, ok let me see |
| 16:00.52 | cousin_luigi | openntp allowed to do that, but the powers that be decided to remove it |
| 16:01.01 | cousin_luigi | and chrony won't work with the kernel I'm using |
| 16:01.36 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, it is a bug :) http://mail-index.netbsd.org/netbsd-bugs/2009/11/22/msg014536.html |
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| 16:02.18 | cousin_luigi | echo083: known at least since 2009 it seems |
| 16:02.39 | cousin_luigi | :| |
| 16:03.00 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, yes i know i also have bugs even older which are not corrected |
| 16:03.21 | cousin_luigi | echo083: perhaps I should take my chances with backports and install openntpd |
| 16:03.29 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, they are making things like unity, gnome3 but don't correct trivial bugs |
| 16:04.19 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, i can't affirm it will work with openntpd but you can always try |
| 16:04.42 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, but be positive it is not resource consuming the fact it is listening on any interface |
| 16:05.03 | cousin_luigi | echo083: I remember using openntpd on lenny and possibly etch and it had that feature. |
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| 16:05.35 | cousin_luigi | echo083: Actually I'm doing it out of security concerns, although remote. |
| 16:06.09 | echo083 | cousin_luigi, restricting ntp access should be good even with security concerns even if that's not perfect |
| 16:06.34 | yogi | is ther a handy guide on how to set up an encrypted usb drive? |
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| 16:09.16 | echo083 | yogi, use truecrypt it has a user interface no guide should be necessary but be very very careful about the drive you choose to encrypt because it will erase all your data on this drive ! |
| 16:09.45 | cousin_luigi | would it be bootable? |
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| 16:10.39 | multiHYP | aptitude is so nice! |
| 16:11.42 | echo083 | multiHYP, apt-get is better ! |
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| 16:11.56 | multiHYP | yes, but depends |
| 16:12.11 | echo083 | mullein, apt-get is more verbose ! |
| 16:12.19 | echo083 | multiHYP, apt-get is more verbose ! |
| 16:12.21 | proby | guys where could i find good reporsities?? |
| 16:12.46 | _aeris_ | proby > the official ones ? |
| 16:12.47 | ompaul | proby: debian ones |
| 16:12.48 | _aeris_ | =) |
| 16:12.51 | multiHYP | jelly-home: see this is one example I don't like: http://wiki.nginx.org/Install#Official_Debian.2FUbuntu_packages |
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| 16:13.01 | yogi | echo083: thanks! is it convenient to be used by a normal user, or do I have to always perform some steps as root? |
| 16:13.12 | __zero | is there any way to downgrade package? |
| 16:13.16 | multiHYP | it wants me to update my package lists, just to get their package, wherever non-standard place it wants to install it! |
| 16:13.18 | proby | ompaul some packages are outdated there |
| 16:13.21 | multiHYP | its just arrogant. |
| 16:13.30 | echo083 | yogi, as normal user install it and open the interface it will add an entry in your menu |
| 16:13.32 | _aeris_ | __zero > apt-get install mypackage=myVersion |
| 16:13.34 | ompaul | !ssn |
| 16:13.43 | _aeris_ | or pin it via apt-preference |
| 16:13.47 | ompaul | !sns |
| 16:13.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:13.49 | __zero | _aeris_: thanks =) |
| 16:14.02 | yogi | echo083: 'apt-cache search truecrypt' is strangely silent |
| 16:14.16 | proby | ompaul seriously tooooo much outdated |
| 16:14.18 | echo083 | yogi, ohhh you kidding |
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| 16:14.43 | proby | like openvas which is in 5 but in debian still in 2 lolz |
| 16:14.43 | echo083 | yogi, oh yes you have to download it |
| 16:14.45 | jelly-home | multiHYP: if you need the latest version from upstream, then use the upstream repo. If you don't, use the distro version. |
| 16:15.08 | echo083 | yogi, http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads |
| 16:15.20 | yogi | is reading http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg01555.html |
| 16:15.21 | echo083 | yogi, there is a .deb somewhere as far as i remember |
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| 16:15.29 | proby | ompaul check it yourself |
| 16:15.32 | jelly-home | multiHYP: I find it helpful when upstream provides recent builds, should the need for those arise. |
| 16:15.33 | sakal | hi, I have 2 video cards NVidia 9600 GT and 3 monitors. Install a new drivers from experimental 302.17, but RandR doesn't enabled. It's a common nvidia problem I may be I can some tune by xorg.conf? |
| 16:15.41 | me__ | !ssb |
| 16:15.42 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:15.43 | multiHYP | oh yes, there is a copy in the repo |
| 16:15.50 | yogi | echo083: if it's not packaged and in the main archive, I'll fetch it from truecrypt.org then |
| 16:15.52 | proby | opmaul http://www.openvas.org/install-source.html |
| 16:15.59 | multiHYP | remember the time nginx wasn't in ubuntu's repo :) |
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| 16:16.11 | ompaul | (A) packages age in stable (B) packages is stable get security patches for the life that is until EOL of that release |
| 16:16.15 | sakal | * or may be I can |
| 16:16.17 | jelly-home | sakal: what do you mean by "isn't enabled"? Please pastebin the output or "xrandr -q" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Which Debian release are you using? |
| 16:16.35 | echo083 | yogi, strange i remembered it was provided in the repo ... but trust me it works fine ! |
| 16:16.37 | boudiccas | multi-hyp why should we care about ubuntu? if you're that bothered about it then install ubunutu |
| 16:16.42 | sakal | jelly-home, just a minute :) |
| 16:16.55 | ompaul | proby: what is openvas? |
| 16:17.02 | multiHYP | jvm, whats my best/smallest option? |
| 16:17.15 | multiHYP | openjdk seems to be too much |
| 16:17.23 | proby | a vulnerability scanner |
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| 16:17.40 | ompaul | proby: is this to use it against yourself? |
| 16:18.01 | multiHYP | nmap |
| 16:18.11 | proby | yes if i was using it against others why put it on irc? |
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| 16:18.25 | jelly-home | sakal: if xrandr shows more than one output, that pretty much means it's enabled |
| 16:18.30 | ompaul | hehe - as multiHYP says, use nmap |
| 16:18.42 | multiHYP | use it against anyone you like :) |
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| 16:18.49 | jelly-home | namp is not a vulnerability scanner |
| 16:18.58 | jelly-home | nmap either! |
| 16:19.01 | ompaul | nmap is a port scanner |
| 16:19.17 | multiHYP | well, i doubt he wanted to test his webapp |
| 16:19.21 | ompaul | you can find stuff that is open on your local box - and compare that to what you want to note |
| 16:19.44 | proby | even aircrack-ng doesn't exist in debian main :/ |
| 16:19.45 | ompaul | remembering that debian updates stable security patches |
| 16:19.50 | multiHYP | wow, nginx in repo is 0.7 where as the latest stable release was: 2.1.0 |
| 16:20.00 | multiHYP | how many years is the repo behind? |
| 16:20.05 | proby | loooooooool |
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| 16:20.08 | jelly-home | multiHYP: 1-2 years typically |
| 16:20.20 | proby | wtf debian guys are doing? |
| 16:20.22 | multiHYP | i thought debian was ahead |
| 16:20.39 | proby | if you want ahead get arch ;) |
| 16:20.40 | jelly-home | multiHYP: ahead of what? |
| 16:20.48 | multiHYP | ubuntu had 1.5 iirc remember |
| 16:20.49 | proby | but take the risk on your own |
| 16:20.49 | craigevil | its called Stable for a reason, if you want sns run fedora or Arch |
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| 16:21.05 | craigevil | ,versions nginx |
| 16:21.05 | _aeris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.05 | _aeris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.06 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.19-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.2.0-1; wheezy: 1.2.0-1 |
| 16:21.14 | multiHYP | craigevil: thats the thing, see |
| 16:21.16 | _aeris_ | debian testing for 1.2.X |
| 16:21.33 | multiHYP | so i should have got a newer debian os? |
| 16:21.39 | _aeris_ | no |
| 16:21.40 | multiHYP | i got 6.0.5 now |
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| 16:21.43 | jelly-home | multiHYP: do you _need_ nginx 1.2.0? |
| 16:21.45 | _aeris_ | just change repositories |
| 16:21.55 | _aeris_ | use testing instead stable |
| 16:21.57 | multiHYP | yes at least 1.2 or maybe 1.5 don't know |
| 16:22.00 | _aeris_ | stable is for server |
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| 16:22.06 | _aeris_ | testing is for desktop |
| 16:22.07 | craigevil | nginx also has its own repo deb http://nginx.org/packages/debian/ squeeze nginx |
| 16:22.16 | _aeris_ | unstable for geek >< |
| 16:22.18 | jelly-home | craigevil: he already knows about it, see above |
| 16:22.32 | multiHYP | i know, so if there are many nginx in many repos which one will be picked? |
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| 16:23.24 | ompaul | ,versions nginx |
| 16:23.25 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.19-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.2.0-1; wheezy: 1.2.0-1 |
| 16:23.36 | jelly-home | multiHYP: depends on your configuration of apt, and the configugration of the repos enabled. The bigger version gets installed, unless the repo containing if configured to disallow automatic installation. |
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| 16:23.58 | multiHYP | oh god |
| 16:24.06 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 16:24.46 | multiHYP | I need to setup my apt-get configs another day. |
| 16:24.57 | multiHYP | too many machines/archs for today. |
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| 16:25.07 | jelly-home | multiHYP: for example, the repos from http://backports.debian.org/ don't allow for automatic installation. That way you can enable them, but still pick newer versions only for selected packages. |
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| 16:26.02 | multiHYP | this package management needs improvement i think. |
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| 16:26.06 | jelly-home | multiHYP: I see neither 1.5 or 2.1.0 at http://nginx.org/, 1.2.1 is the latest stable. |
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| 16:26.54 | multiHYP | yes not 2.1, 1.2. I think at least i need 1.0 cause something was fixed in that release that i needed. |
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| 16:27.05 | multiHYP | or 1.1 cannot remember |
| 16:27.06 | jelly-home | multiHYP: you haven't seen half of what can be done, I don't think you're in a position to see what needs to be improved. |
| 16:27.19 | multiHYP | true |
| 16:27.23 | multiHYP | :) |
| 16:27.45 | _aeris_ | multiHYP > look for apt pinning |
| 16:27.49 | ompaul | multiHYP: no, it just needs your attention, take a little time, it is worth the investment, but bouncing around from distro to distro is the quickest way to form an opinion at odds with what that distro's regular users think |
| 16:27.55 | _aeris_ | i think this is what you need |
| 16:28.04 | ompaul | pinning is insane you don't change versions ... |
| 16:28.10 | ompaul | you don't get updates |
| 16:28.22 | _aeris_ | depends how you configure |
| 16:28.27 | ompaul | bpo is much better |
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| 16:28.39 | multiHYP | _aeris_: oh pinning would be nice for my server |
| 16:28.42 | jelly-home | _aeris_: he probably doesn't yet. Please don't point people to pinning unless you know exactly what they want to accomplish, it's a buggy, ugly feature. |
| 16:28.44 | multiHYP | but i didn't use it then |
| 16:29.05 | _aeris_ | jelly-home > why ugly and buggy ? |
| 16:29.07 | sakal | jelly-home, about RandR and 2 nvidia cards with 3 monintors: https://gist.github.com/2978922 |
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| 16:29.15 | multiHYP | anyway in a couple of days I probably can say wiser things :) |
| 16:29.17 | _aeris_ | mixing testing and stable with this is very usefull |
| 16:29.19 | jelly-home | _aeris_: ask whoever wrote it that way |
| 16:29.30 | ompaul | and if you build from scratch you get to own all the pieces and security fixes, thus creating a delta where you better be on the security announce lists for the software in question |
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| 16:30.02 | ompaul | _aeris_: that is not sensible |
| 16:30.12 | sakal | (WW) NVIDIA: Xinerama is enabled, so RandR has likely been disabled by the X Server |
| 16:30.15 | jelly-home | sakal: care to get rid of xorg.conf? |
| 16:30.27 | jelly-home | right |
| 16:31.00 | sakal | so, in latest release I looks some hopely about Xinerama and RandR |
| 16:31.02 | jelly-home | _aeris_: mixing binary packages from testing into a mostly stable installation is VERY fragile |
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| 16:31.30 | _aeris_ | jelly-home > i do the contrary |
| 16:31.38 | _aeris_ | for desktop only |
| 16:31.44 | _aeris_ | server are all in stable |
| 16:31.57 | jelly-home | that is only slightly more safe <g> |
| 16:32.10 | _aeris_ | but for desktop, testing for all-the-day software, stable for all others |
| 16:32.29 | ompaul | you sir are asking for a beating with a clue stick - don't suggest fragile broken methods to people unless you are going to be on irc 24/7 for when your version of crack pipe happiness breaks on them and takes the machine with it |
| 16:32.52 | ManoftheSea | offers a clue-by-four |
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| 16:33.01 | jelly-home | sakal: what are you using xinerama for? |
| 16:33.12 | ompaul | thinks a x8 is needed but uses the x4 twice |
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| 16:34.01 | sakal | I want to use 3 desktops transparent for application, I mean to move windows from one to another |
| 16:34.03 | jelly-home | sakal: RandR has been an acceptable way to span a desktop over multiple devices for years (with drivers that supported RandR) |
| 16:34.16 | jelly-home | sakal: just disable it and restart X server |
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| 16:34.42 | jelly-home | then set up the screens using either xrandr or nvidia-settings |
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| 16:35.58 | sakal | so, I must search how to use my cards with xrandr, without xinerama? |
| 16:36.08 | jelly-home | (xrandr exposes its own settings in a way backwards compatible with xinerama apps) |
| 16:36.26 | jelly-home | sakal: yes. It's not too complex. |
| 16:37.01 | sakal | I just can remove all entrieas about xinerama from xorg.conf and restart X? |
| 16:37.06 | jelly-home | YES |
| 16:37.18 | sakal | thank you, I will try |
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| 16:37.26 | jelly-home | that's what I meant by [18:30] <jelly-home> sakal: care to get rid of xorg.conf? |
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| 16:38.02 | sakal | I don't understand yeat you question |
| 16:38.16 | sakal | but I just will try remove xinerama |
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| 16:39.00 | NET||abuse | hi folks, just wondering, i've been working on a bunch of fedora/redhat setups for work lately, and just a simple ll comand runs ls -la |
| 16:39.27 | NET||abuse | this is a default in those servers, is there a simple alias setup for this or is there a seperate binary used generally? |
| 16:39.46 | alfplayer | NET||abuse: alias, probably |
| 16:39.56 | _aeris_ | NET||abuse > « which ll » |
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| 16:40.39 | NET||abuse | if i want to create the alias system wide on any debian/ubuntu setups, where is there a system wide alias setup? |
| 16:40.51 | NET||abuse | which ll on fedora gives me >> alias ll='ls -l --color=auto' |
| 16:41.05 | NET||abuse | <newline> /bin/ls |
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| 16:41.34 | NET||abuse | hmm, ok |
| 16:41.44 | jelly-home | NET||abuse: /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/foo |
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| 16:42.39 | jelly-home | some of those RHEL aliases are just annoying, and worse, can make you feel you can rely on them (alias rm='rm -i') |
| 16:43.10 | jelly-home | but some are nice |
| 16:43.39 | NET||abuse | jelly-home: rm -i seems like a nice prophylactic |
| 16:43.52 | _aeris_ | (alias rm='rm -i') ← boring, but can save your life =) |
| 16:44.09 | NET||abuse | when you really don't want prompts, just override with rm -f |
| 16:44.16 | NET||abuse | takes precedence with -i |
| 16:44.23 | NET||abuse | :) |
| 16:44.33 | _aeris_ | rm ~ or rm / is very fast to go =) |
| 16:44.35 | ompaul | you move platforms and the alias bites you |
| 16:44.54 | ompaul | _aeris_: that was a bad thing to post - I hope nobody ran it |
| 16:45.13 | NET||abuse | yeh,if you start to assume the aliases are set and then land on a new system and screw up, can be painful |
| 16:45.18 | NET||abuse | i once did chmod 777 / |
| 16:45.23 | NET||abuse | i once did chmod 777 /* |
| 16:45.30 | ompaul | NET||abuse: I've seen someone recover from that |
| 16:45.38 | ompaul | it took 8 hours |
| 16:45.41 | NET||abuse | I recoverd it as it didn't recurse |
| 16:45.49 | _aeris_ | ompaul > will be his mistake :þ |
| 16:45.58 | NET||abuse | and i had a ls -l output from / in the buffer, so i could duplicate the permissions :) |
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| 16:46.13 | _aeris_ | « don't copy-paste command without understand it » |
| 16:46.19 | _aeris_ | « don't run as root » |
| 16:46.21 | _aeris_ | etc… |
| 16:46.25 | NET||abuse | indeed. |
| 16:46.28 | rm-rf | any ffmpeg/vlc/mplayer experts in the house? i'm having some issues capturing a stream and seem to just be spinning my wheels |
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| 16:46.52 | NET||abuse | rm-rf: capturing stream isn't something i've done much of |
| 16:47.00 | NET||abuse | vlc is meant to be pretty handy at it though |
| 16:47.24 | ompaul | _aeris_: being feckless with the commands you put in a channel where new users may abound with commands like that is somewhere close to abuse or negligence |
| 16:47.28 | NET||abuse | google doodle is alan turing today :) |
| 16:47.32 | NET||abuse | nice. |
| 16:47.48 | jelly-home | and a programmable t. machine |
| 16:48.27 | NET||abuse | right, on with work stuff |
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| 16:49.20 | NET||abuse | having suexec permisison issues with git-http-backend |
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| 16:50.36 | NET||abuse | getting this in apache suexec.log command not in docroot (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi) |
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| 16:51.14 | lukys | so... have any of you chaps noticed a string of characters in this channel? |
| 16:51.52 | NET||abuse | stabs lukys |
| 16:52.00 | lukys | :( |
| 16:52.11 | NET||abuse | worst pun ever |
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| 16:52.38 | lukys | pun? |
| 16:53.08 | NET||abuse | I'm presuming your initial statemetn was a bad joke |
| 16:53.30 | lukys | What makes you think that? |
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| 16:53.53 | trysten | is laughing pretty hard |
| 16:54.27 | NET||abuse | ok, i admit i kinda grinned |
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| 16:55.02 | NET||abuse | argh, sitting in 'Tarbucks and there's a teenage couple mauling eachother on the seat facing me |
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| 16:55.18 | lukys | I'm so confused |
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| 16:55.57 | NET||abuse | lukys: so you didn't intend that as a joke? "have any of you chaps noticed a string of characters in this channel?" |
| 16:56.34 | lukys | No. Where is the pun located? |
| 16:56.45 | trysten | laughs some more |
| 16:56.48 | NET||abuse | pun is the incorrect joke categorisation, sorry |
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| 16:57.32 | NET||abuse | jeebus girl, stop your micro shorts sliding up your butt so much... it's distracting |
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| 16:58.52 | NET||abuse | right, suexec.. work you feind |
| 17:00.28 | NET||abuse | getting so little done here, started playing psychonauts ealier, lost 2hours |
| 17:01.00 | NET||abuse | getting git-trac working seemed liek the best focusing task i could do |
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| 17:02.05 | trysten | focuses by playing Anki |
| 17:02.14 | stepkrav | hello. is there any other linux software except unetbootin for making a usb bootable? |
| 17:02.30 | trysten | stepkrav: grub-install |
| 17:03.04 | lukys | So you haven't noticed someone posting a short string of characters in here? |
| 17:03.22 | trysten | lukys: i don't think so |
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| 17:04.56 | mjmt | lukys: I'll bite. Any characters in particular? |
| 17:05.07 | lukys | Random-looking. |
| 17:08.36 | mjmt | So did your computer do anything weird? Doesn't seem like it. You're probably okay. |
| 17:08.54 | NET||abuse | lukys: actually no |
| 17:09.03 | NET||abuse | lukys: hadn't noticed that |
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| 17:10.03 | NET||abuse | lukys: i think it's the bliss chip the syndicates implanted in your head glitching |
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| 17:27.32 | IsaacHaze | hi, i have a problem with my laptop's touchpad getting stuck in scroll mode every now and then. Does anybody know what might cause this and how it can be fixed? |
| 17:27.50 | IsaacHaze | if nobody has a clue, were and how do i start debugging this? |
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| 17:28.42 | trysten | IsaacHaze: synclient and synaptics driver, most likely. i've had that problem too, in the past. perhaps if you just toggled the scroll options using synclient, that would resolve your problem. |
| 17:29.47 | trysten | IsaacHaze: something like 'synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=0 HorizTwoFingerScroll=0 CircularScrolling=0 etc etc |
| 17:30.05 | trysten | IsaacHaze: then turn the one(s) you use back on |
| 17:30.40 | trysten | can anyone here reccomend a good/their favorite freelance webdesign website? |
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| 17:32.08 | IsaacHaze | trysten: too bad, doesn't seem to have any effect |
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| 17:34.58 | IsaacHaze | xev seems to register ButtonRelease events instead of MotionNotify events (as it does for my regular mouse) |
| 17:35.37 | IsaacHaze | sorry, Press and Release pairs |
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| 17:39.32 | trysten | IsaacHaze: i see some talk on the internet of mashing the function keys while holding Fn as one of them may control the mousepad, and that may initialize a reset.. |
| 17:39.35 | dick-richardson | I'm trying to get my APC UPS working (an SC1500). apctest works, but apcaccess gives me a connection refused error. The daemon runs and spits out communication lost errors on reboot, however unplugging the power while the daemon is running doesn't give the expected broadcast message |
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| 17:41.55 | trysten | IsaacHaze: try TouchpadOff=1 |
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| 17:42.55 | IsaacHaze | =] i had big hopes for that one... |
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| 17:43.50 | IsaacHaze | apparently for dell laptops it is either Fn+F3, Fn+F6, or "enable-disable-touchpad (next to F12)" |
| 17:44.17 | IsaacHaze | too bad none of them solve the problem |
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| 17:45.31 | trysten | IsaacHaze: did it sucessfully disable the touchpad? have you tried resetting it with TouchpadOff=1 ? |
| 17:45.54 | trysten | IsaacHaze: my former question was in relation to the fkeys |
| 17:45.58 | IsaacHaze | oh, yes, sorry about that: it did disable the touchpad, but re-enabling it re-enables it with the annoying scrolling stuck |
| 17:46.19 | tharkun | How sensitive is the nfs daemon to time drift? So far i have a four minute difference among clients and server. (Server is not Debian) |
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| 17:50.12 | trysten | IsaacHaze: ok see if restarting X fixes it. if it does, then we need to find some way to eject and reload the synaptics driver |
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| 18:00.28 | sakal | jelly-home, can you tell me what I'm doing wrong? https://gist.github.com/2979235 |
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| 18:01.22 | sakal | all 3 monitors on 2 cards a enabled |
| 18:01.48 | sakal | one as a currents and others just as separeted screens |
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| 18:04.11 | IsaacHaze | ok, so killing X works... |
| 18:04.36 | IsaacHaze | fiddling with synclient or gpointing-device-settings doesn't |
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| 18:10.30 | jelly-home | sakal: I don't see outputs for the second card present in xrandr output at all |
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| 18:13.58 | sakal | I don't see it too, but monitors are works. They are displys some default plasma desktop. I just hope, that may be you now why xrandr can't display modes for 2 and 3 monitors |
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| 18:17.54 | jelly-home | sakal: no idea. maybe someone in #nvidia might know, I never had a dual card setup. Does anything change in xrandr output if you remove xorg.conf completely? |
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| 18:18.13 | jelly-home | sakal: in its place, jsut do mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
| 18:18.44 | sakal | it's just try to load nouveau and nv drivers, but not nvidia |
| 18:18.56 | sakal | as a result, xserver can't start |
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| 18:19.27 | sakal | hmmm, it's interesting :) |
| 18:19.29 | sakal | thanks |
| 18:19.47 | jelly-home | it ought to try nvidia with that file in place |
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| 18:32.57 | sakal | jelly-home, your's solution works for one card and 2 monitors very wll, but I result, I got 3-ed monitor disabled. |
| 18:33.29 | jelly-home | sakal: what does the "xrandr" output look like now? |
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| 18:34.47 | sakal | jelly-home, https://gist.github.com/2979356 |
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| 18:35.17 | jelly-home | huh, that's still just one card |
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| 18:35.59 | sakal | but in Xorg.0.log can see GPU-0 and GPU-1 |
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| 18:36.16 | jelly-home | can you enable the third one via nvidia-settings? |
| 18:36.47 | jelly-home | make sure you have the 302.x version of it |
| 18:37.33 | sakal | so, I edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf for this: https://gist.github.com/2979365 |
| 18:37.45 | sakal | yes, I can see both cards in nvidia-settings |
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| 18:38.19 | kevlarman | jelly-home: xinerama (or 2 X11 screens) is required for multicard setups |
| 18:38.31 | kevlarman | jelly-home: xrandr only works when a single card's outputs are used |
| 18:38.51 | jelly-home | kevlarman: ah, did not know that |
| 18:38.59 | jelly-home | seems quite silly |
| 18:39.19 | kevlarman | jelly-home: you're asking to have a single framebuffer across 2 different graphics cards |
| 18:39.23 | kevlarman | it's impossible |
| 18:39.23 | jelly-home | so it's back to xinerama for sakal |
| 18:39.25 | sakal | jelly-home, about version: https://gist.github.com/2979372 |
| 18:39.32 | kevlarman | xinerama does it with lots of pointless copying |
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| 18:39.45 | jelly-home | kevlarman: nothing's impossible, optimus does it over two different cards |
| 18:39.46 | kevlarman | that kills 3d (and sometimes 2d) performance |
| 18:39.52 | kevlarman | jelly-home: no it doesn't |
| 18:40.19 | jelly-home | it pushes one's output to the other |
| 18:40.25 | sakal | it's kill 2d perfomance :-\ |
| 18:40.30 | kevlarman | jelly-home: but there's only a single framebuffer |
| 18:40.43 | kevlarman | sakal: if there were low end keplers out there, i'd suggest buying one of those |
| 18:40.54 | kevlarman | but unfortunately they aren't out yet :( |
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| 18:41.02 | jelly-home | kevlarman: and a part of that fb could be pushed over to the second card for display |
| 18:41.05 | kevlarman | (they support up to 4 outputs on a single card) |
| 18:41.19 | kevlarman | jelly-home: that's essentially how xinerama works |
| 18:41.35 | sakal | hm, I can try to use card with 3 outputs, but it will be ATI |
| 18:41.59 | kevlarman | sakal: amd cards tend to only support 2 unless labeled eyefinity |
| 18:42.00 | sakal | but it's to complicated |
| 18:42.32 | kevlarman | (eyefinity cards will always support all of their outputs at the same time, up to 6) |
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| 18:43.20 | kevlarman | sakal: i wouldn't recommend it if you care about 3d though (radeon is a bit slow at 3d) |
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| 18:43.36 | sakal | so, may I can use 2 monitors with randr and 3-ed some separately? |
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| 18:44.11 | kevlarman | sakal: yes, you'll need to set up 2 X screens |
| 18:44.31 | kevlarman | it's been a while since i've set up that kind of xorg.conf so i'm forgetting the details |
| 18:44.32 | sakal | kevlarman, it's a computer for developer (for me) I just want to use very wide screen for debugging |
| 18:44.49 | kevlarman | sakal: so you'll have one monitor that you can't drag windows onto or off of |
| 18:45.48 | sakal | I understand correctly a few lines before in this dialog |
| 18:46.10 | sakal | * I understand _this_ correctly |
| 18:46.47 | sakal | ok, I will try to setup 2 screens by nvidia-settings |
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| 18:47.20 | sakal | jelly-home, kevlarman thanks your for help |
| 18:48.16 | kevlarman | sakal: another option if you don't care about 3d is to pick up a 5770 that supports 6 monitors |
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| 18:48.42 | sakal | :) |
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| 18:48.49 | jelly-home | and works well on Linux? |
| 18:48.51 | jelly-home | hides |
| 18:48.58 | sakal | and matrix will taked me :) |
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| 18:49.04 | kevlarman | jelly-home: like i said, if you don't care about 3d |
| 18:49.13 | kevlarman | so you're using radeon not fglrx |
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| 18:52.01 | jelly-home | I wonder if this GT240 would drive VGA, DVI and HDMI at the same time |
| 18:52.09 | kevlarman | jelly-home: nope |
| 18:52.21 | kevlarman | all nvidia cards older than kepler only support 2 outputs |
| 18:52.34 | jelly-home | off by one generation |
| 18:52.35 | kevlarman | 670 680 690 support 4 |
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| 18:52.47 | kevlarman | a bit more than one generation |
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| 18:53.11 | kevlarman | (only 3 outputs at 120hz though i doubt many people would bother with that) |
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| 18:55.09 | kevlarman | i actually really want a kepler card but the mid range hasn't been released yet :( |
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| 19:01.50 | eSa| | jordanm, what a /review/! I finally managed to get the virtualbox kernel modules to load although I'm forcing them with -f due to a 'vbox*: no symbol version for module_layout' kernel complaint |
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| 19:06.12 | raptor67782 | I would like to use evtest on my event-joystick. It works flawless all the time |
| 19:06.26 | raptor67782 | but if I ask it to start at @reboot with the crontab of this user |
| 19:06.32 | raptor67782 | then : evtest: Permission denied |
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| 19:06.38 | raptor67782 | is it a bug? pleasse a fix |
| 19:06.40 | raptor67782 | or help |
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| 19:06.52 | sakal | so, 2 monitors on one screen and 3-ed on second screen is not usefull for me not because I can't drug windows between screen, but because it's have lags in kde: on alt+tab I see empty screen on 3-ed monitor and I can't switch windows other way, only by mouse. When on 3-ed window I call Run command, I got krunner on first screen. So, 3-ed monitor is unusable for me |
| 19:07.12 | sakal | when I use xinerama I got very slow 2d perfomance |
| 19:07.23 | raptor67782 | (I know that crontab is a limited thing but come on. please could you do sthg to allow to get it in a better state for next releases. it should work? |
| 19:07.48 | sakal | it's ugly, on every desktop switch I wait will all windows will drawing |
| 19:08.35 | kevlarman | sakal: if you kill off the compositor it'll probably be a bit better |
| 19:08.55 | sakal | it's was allready killed |
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| 19:09.18 | kevlarman | sakal: your other option is to buy a card that supports 3 monitors |
| 19:09.25 | sakal | if you mean System Setting -> Desktop Effects -> Enable (unchecked) |
| 19:09.45 | aguitel | how remove xfce4 |
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| 19:10.15 | sakal | kevlarman, it's will… but not know |
| 19:10.28 | sakal | now I just need comfortable workspace |
| 19:10.52 | kevlarman | sakal: well, your options are xinerama, 2 screens, or a new card |
| 19:11.46 | sakal | yeap, I understood it |
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| 19:12.25 | kevlarman | sakal: depending on how long you wait to buy a new card, low end keplers might show up |
| 19:12.34 | sakal | I choose 2 screens for the next few months |
| 19:12.37 | kevlarman | which are imo the most attractive in your case |
| 19:13.34 | aguitel | anyway to remove xfce ? |
| 19:13.41 | sakal | hi-end card cost about $1000, it's to much for edit/debug scripts |
| 19:14.02 | kevlarman | sakal: not that high end |
| 19:14.10 | kevlarman | that's the price range for dual gpu cards |
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| 19:14.20 | kevlarman | $400 is currently the cheapest kepler |
| 19:14.24 | esaym153 | anyone do the transition to kde 4.8 in testing? Any issues? |
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| 19:16.16 | sakal | esaym153, it's work for without problems |
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| 19:16.43 | esaym153 | sakal: you mean it works without problems? |
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| 19:17.01 | aguitel | how remove xfce4 |
| 19:17.03 | sakal | yes, it is works |
| 19:17.24 | sakal | aguitel, "aptitude purge xfce4" doesn't works? |
| 19:18.01 | esaym153 | sweet |
| 19:18.10 | aguitel | sakal, i will try |
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| 19:19.20 | sakal | esaym153, I used instructions from http://qt-kde.debian.net/ for kde 4.8.4 |
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| 19:23.21 | tharkun | What do i need to do to aptitude to stop complaining about a locally compiled version of a program? |
| 19:23.35 | sakal | q |
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| 19:23.48 | tremon | tharkun: depends on why it is complaining |
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| 19:24.10 | tremon | removing the package is one obvious solution |
| 19:24.11 | tharkun | tremon: something about a key or not beeing a secure copy |
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| 19:24.19 | tharkun | tremon: not an option |
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| 19:24.32 | tharkun | It only complains when installing :-) |
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| 19:26.43 | tremon | you're using a local repository to distribute updates locally? |
| 19:27.20 | tharkun | tremon: bingo :-) |
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| 19:29.09 | tremon | you need to sign the repository and distribute the key to the clients. Have never done that myself, though |
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| 19:29.45 | tremon | maybe there's an apt variable for "don't verify remotes", but I'd think twice before considering that |
| 19:30.17 | adrakoa | hi |
| 19:30.25 | tremon | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt ? |
| 19:31.09 | dawud | does tcp_wrappers accept kerberos realm names as netgroups? e.g. hosts.allow: ALL: LOCAL .some.domain.org @REALM.ORG |
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| 19:32.11 | tremon | dawud: I don't think tcpwrappers has kerberos machine validation |
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| 19:32.44 | dawud | tremon: ok, thanks |
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| 19:34.21 | tremon | tharkun: maybe the comments on http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 will help |
| 19:34.48 | dawud | tremon: it does support NIS/YP, though |
| 19:34.52 | tharkun | tremon: thanks |
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| 19:37.31 | dawud | I guess neither does AllowUsers in sshd_config |
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| 19:37.52 | dawud | I mean, kerberos' realm recognition |
| 19:38.08 | dawud | kinda redundant, thoug. forget that |
| 19:38.33 | tremon | dawud: however, you can enable gssapi authentication for ssh |
| 19:38.50 | dawud | Indeed, what I'm trying to setup uses GSSAPI |
| 19:39.27 | dawud | I have an LDAP/KRB5 auth server, and I use namespace to poly-instantiate /tmp, /var/tmp and /home |
| 19:40.03 | dawud | my problem now is this: I have some users that dont' exist outside the LDAP database, IOW, not system users |
| 19:40.15 | tremon | poly-instantiate? you're using containers? |
| 19:40.31 | dawud | no, /etc/security/namespace.conf |
| 19:40.50 | dawud | plus SELinux |
| 19:40.52 | tremon | ah, not familiar with that |
| 19:41.00 | dawud | kinda cool functionality |
| 19:41.39 | tremon | dawud: cool is always nice. Got a primer link? :) |
| 19:41.42 | dawud | you give access based on SELinux level and configured dirs are instantiated on demand, and destryed afterwards if needs be |
| 19:42.12 | dawud | yes, by Russel Coker, actual debian SELinux mantainer: http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/talks/sage-2006/PolyInstantiatedDirectories.html |
| 19:42.21 | dawud | that should be Rusell |
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| 19:42.35 | dawud | ok, Russell |
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| 19:42.48 | tremon | thx |
| 19:42.49 | dawud | (he must be laghing at me :| ) |
| 19:42.56 | dawud | crap spelling |
| 19:43.11 | tremon | blame the keyboard |
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| 19:43.15 | dawud | :) |
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| 19:44.08 | CRUNK | hey guys what tool does the debian installer use to resize partitions? i want to resize a windows partition that i have on this dual booted machine |
| 19:44.14 | tremon | dawud: what's your issue with non-ldap users? are you using nss-ldapd (or whatever name it has now)? |
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| 19:44.43 | tremon | CRUNK: the installer uses a custom libparted tool, I believe. Try gparted |
| 19:44.45 | g3orge | what's the -L and -P switches of cd? |
| 19:44.50 | CRUNK | tremon: thanks |
| 19:44.58 | dawud | g3orge: man cd |
| 19:45.00 | dawud | oops |
| 19:45.03 | dawud | man bash |
| 19:45.21 | tremon | g3orge: help cd |
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| 19:45.48 | g3orge | yes |
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| 19:46.21 | echo083 | in debian wheezy is it possible to install gnome 2 ? |
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| 19:46.38 | dawud | tremon: from the debian side I'm using krb5-user, sssd, libns-sss and libpam-sss |
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| 19:47.07 | dawud | tremon: at the other end there's a f17 box with a freeIPA server |
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| 19:48.56 | dawud | tremon: basically my "problem" would be to identify via AllowUser/AllowGroup user belonging to the realm, as an extra security measure |
| 19:49.51 | echo083 | noone ? |
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| 19:49.59 | echo083 | until when debian squeeze is supported ? |
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| 19:50.01 | tremon | echo083: not possible fafaik |
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| 19:50.16 | tremon | echo083: one year after release of wheezy |
| 19:50.18 | dawud | tremon: given the fact that I must keep PasswordAuthentication no and PubkeyAuthentication on, just in case the LDAP/KRB5 goes south |
| 19:50.20 | echo083 | tremon, i am the only person who doesn't support gnome 3 and unity stuffs ? |
| 19:50.33 | tremon | echo083: no |
| 19:50.49 | dawud | tremon: PubkeyAuthentication yes* |
| 19:50.49 | tremon | echo083: some people support osx ;) |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | echo083: gnome2 is dead upstream .. your choices are to a) get used to gnome3 b) find sometihng else |
| 19:50.56 | ManoftheSea | echo083: what about the MATE desktop? |
| 19:50.56 | echo083 | tremon, what is osx ? |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: MATE and cinnamon are not in Debian |
| 19:51.12 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, yes i saw that !! any feedback ? |
| 19:51.14 | abrotman | Cinnamon is a better option |
| 19:51.24 | ManoftheSea | isn't there a Debian Edition? |
| 19:51.36 | abrotman | no |
| 19:51.42 | ManoftheSea | echo083: I haven't used it. |
| 19:51.43 | dvs | echo083: Apple |
| 19:51.49 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, ok :( |
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| 19:52.00 | echo083 | abrotman, did you try cinnamon or mate ? any feedback ? |
| 19:52.13 | tremon | dawud: iiuc, you want to assign a different instance for the same user with ticket and without? |
| 19:52.14 | abrotman | echo083: no, I'd suggest you try gnome3, it's actually quite nice |
| 19:52.20 | dvs | yuk |
| 19:52.28 | ManoftheSea | so... what does "Debian Edition" of Linux Mint mean? |
| 19:52.43 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: ask them, it's NOT Debian |
| 19:52.43 | ManoftheSea | I'm a big fan of Gnome 3.4 on my laptop. |
| 19:52.54 | echo083 | abrotman, i tried unity ... it was like a nightmare :( feeling like linux was losing against commecial systems |
| 19:52.55 | ManoftheSea | sorry. I was confused. |
| 19:53.03 | ManoftheSea | echo083: unity is terrible. |
| 19:53.10 | ManoftheSea | imo |
| 19:53.14 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: a derivative distro built upon debian, most likely |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | echo083: so use something else .. Gnome3 is nice enough for me. But you're in luck, if you odn't like it, you have lots of choice |
| 19:53.22 | craigevil | unity and gnome 3 are too entirely different animals |
| 19:53.30 | ManoftheSea | echo083: Gnome-shell and unity. |
| 19:53.38 | ManoftheSea | They both are on gnome3, no? |
| 19:54.00 | echo083 | abrotman, yes i know it was just to have other opinions, i heard talk about debian mint is it a good choice ? |
| 19:54.15 | abrotman | echo083: I have no idea, I don't use Mint, I don't recommend it either |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | s/don't/won't/ |
| 19:54.31 | craigevil | echo083, lmde is a separate distro, which has lots of problems |
| 19:54.34 | echo083 | abrotman, why not they say they are fully compatible with debian repositories |
| 19:54.35 | raptor67782 | how to test if my user has the read permissions ? /dev/input/event14 |
| 19:54.41 | abrotman | echo083: Mint is offtopic in this channel |
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| 19:54.48 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.49 | abrotman | raptor67782: ls -l <file> |
| 19:54.50 | echo083 | abrotman, ok ok |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | raptor67782: oh .. didn't realize you meant in a script |
| 19:55.17 | echo083 | craigevil, which problem it has ? |
| 19:55.18 | dawud | tremon: what I need is for users in the realm to get allowed by sshd, but I can't remove AllowUser sysadm (sysadm doesn't exist in the realm, it's a system user), and I can't explicitly AllowUser every user in the LDAP/KRB5 |
| 19:55.19 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.34 | abrotman | echo083: Mint is offtopic .. take it somewhere else |
| 19:55.41 | raptor67782 | abrotman: not working because one allowded user and the non allowed user outputs the same : crw-rw----+ 1 root root 13, 78 Jun 23 21:37 /dev/input/event14 |
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| 19:55.52 | raptor67782 | bash has not enough test for taht too ... I am stuck |
| 19:55.59 | echo083 | abrotman, oh i understood YOU didn't want to talk about it with me |
| 19:56.04 | raptor67782 | because event is not a regular file |
| 19:56.11 | abrotman | echo083: i don't, but it's sitll offtopic here |
| 19:56.31 | echo083 | abrotman, ok ok ok ok and ok lol no worries ;) i'm just gathering informations and opinions |
| 19:56.39 | raptor67782 | test -r is only for a file and not for /dev/input/event14 |
| 19:56.42 | raptor67782 | any ideas? |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | echo083: you could ask ##linux if you prefer |
| 19:57.43 | echo083 | abrotman, yes but seems like i'll have to test every distro to make my own opinion in fact what i wanted to avoid |
| 19:58.11 | dawud | tremon: I guess I could maintain 'PermitRootLogin no' and delete/comment the AllowUser line, but I'd rather find another solution |
| 19:58.12 | abrotman | echo083: we'll recommend Debian |
| 19:58.38 | ompaul | abrotman: and you can have stable with that :) |
| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | tested one distro and felt no need to try others |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: srsly |
| 19:58.53 | tremon | dawud: do you have ldap groups that map to realm users? I'd look for an AllowGroup everyone, with everyone being either a local group containing all realm IDs (not very maintainable unless you have puppet), or an ldap group |
| 19:59.27 | jpinx | echo083: test them all in a vm hosted in debian ;) |
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| 19:59.40 | echo083 | abrotman, to be honest with you i carried a etch debian after i was forced to upgrade because my new hardware was not supported i managed it moving to a etchnhalf i don't want to be afraid to have an unsable system new distro appearing proposing upgrade integrated |
| 19:59.59 | abrotman | what? |
| 20:00.06 | echo083 | abrotman, seems the future of linux distros studing it could be interesting |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | studing indeed |
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| 20:00.46 | echo083 | abrotman, and apt-get dist-upgrade often breaks everything |
| 20:00.46 | dawud | tremon: you mean sshd_config supports LDAD group recognition? |
| 20:00.52 | dawud | LDAP* |
| 20:00.52 | ManoftheSea | I believe he said he wants a rolling update system. |
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| 20:01.26 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, yes ! it is only thoughts |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | echo083: sounds like you're doing something wrong |
| 20:01.54 | ManoftheSea | I've had some trouble with apt-get dist-upgrade too... |
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| 20:02.23 | ManoftheSea | echo083: you could roll with testing/sid |
| 20:02.26 | abrotman | echo083: use Debian, otherwise, go ask ##linux |
| 20:02.33 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, the fact is a fresh clean new update is often necessary |
| 20:02.39 | tremon | dawud: not directly, but libnss-ldapd allows you to make ldap groups accessible through the normal system methods. I'd expect something like that to already exist for your users (how else do they get their uids?) |
| 20:02.41 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: that's not a very good idea .. especially if he's claiming problems with keeping a system fuctional |
| 20:02.44 | abrotman | function |
| 20:02.45 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: is it wrong to discuss pros and cons of how debian does it? |
| 20:02.55 | abrotman | does what? |
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| 20:03.03 | ManoftheSea | like, the stable release cycle. |
| 20:03.13 | ManoftheSea | he's asking about the difference between that and a rolling update |
| 20:03.27 | echo083 | abrotman, it is debian concern but ok i prefer to leave the chat to people issues rather than personal thoughts |
| 20:03.28 | abrotman | Debian doesn't relaly have a true rolling system |
| 20:03.38 | echo083 | abrotman, ManoftheSea, thanks |
| 20:03.43 | ManoftheSea | echo083: you're a little hard to understand. |
| 20:03.52 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:03.52 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:04.53 | dawud | tremon: interesting, I'll check if the freeIPA server thing implements something like that (sssd is used there, but bindings to LDAP are needed for almost everything) |
| 20:05.44 | dawud | tremon: thanks! |
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| 20:06.00 | craigevil | echo083, i have never had to reinstall Debian, my oldest install was installed in Feb 2004, running sid with daily apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 20:06.21 | tremon | dawud: check getent group on the client |
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| 20:07.47 | echo083 | craigevil, really ?? you rock and roll ! lol i've never been able to upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 20:08.32 | ManoftheSea | craigevil: that is pretty impressive. |
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| 20:10.07 | dawud | tremon: no, that doesn't help. This users/groups are not there. I have a couple of ideas to check now. thanks again :) |
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| 20:12.57 | dvs | echo083: I've had one of my installs since 2004 as well. I've changed motherboards and hard drives but I haven't lost any data since. |
| 20:13.14 | craigevil | my point is unless you totally screw things up you should never have to reinstall |
| 20:13.25 | dvs | agrees |
| 20:13.25 | echo083 | dvs, i never lost data but i had to make a fresh new install from etch to lenny and lenny to squeeze |
| 20:13.55 | echo083 | craigevil, it is possible i made bad manipulations that break dist-upgrade |
| 20:13.58 | craigevil | if you run testing or sid make sure you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed |
| 20:14.05 | dvs | echo083: I've never had to make a fresh install on that machine |
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| 20:14.18 | microcolonel | rarely is it ever truly necessary to reinstall |
| 20:14.23 | echo083 | craigevil, subject with no link where is the debian iso with non free firmware ? |
| 20:14.28 | microcolonel | but it's usually easier than figuring out how to rescue an install |
| 20:14.33 | craigevil | !kmuto |
| 20:14.34 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 20:14.47 | echo083 | craigevil, thanks |
| 20:14.55 | dvs | the current kernel is newer than that |
| 20:15.13 | billy_ | Can someone guide me through my first backport / offer a good guide? I'm looking to get a more recent version of chrome. |
| 20:15.22 | dvs | oops. I stand corrected |
| 20:16.00 | billy_ | I'm on stable. |
| 20:16.01 | raptor67782 | working. lsof /dev/input/eventX and you can know if you have read permissiosn (test -r not working) |
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| 20:17.56 | torpid | billy_, not traditional backporting, but a good guide: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 20:18.20 | billy_ | torpid: This will probably work for chrome? |
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| 20:18.47 | torpid | yes - if you follow the guide and do an apt-get update, you then install chromium, for example, apt-get -t unstable install chrome |
| 20:19.19 | torpid | it will pull it from unstable and all the needed dependencies without upgrading anything else. |
| 20:19.24 | ManoftheSea | craigevil: thanks for the listbugs suggestion. |
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| 20:19.42 | torpid | just be sure to NOT do apt-get dist-upgrades, only upgrades |
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| 20:20.08 | stew | torpid: uh no |
| 20:20.14 | stew | billy_: do NOT mix unstable with stable |
| 20:20.36 | billy_ | stew: Okay, but the testing version I think is all I need. |
| 20:20.43 | dawud | tremon: finally I have to accept to delete AllowUser from sshd_config and rely strictly on GSSAPI, nevertheless polyinstantiation works OK |
| 20:20.55 | stew | billy_: no, don't mix stable with non-stable without backporting |
| 20:21.05 | billy_ | stew: So how should I proceed? |
| 20:21.57 | dawud | tremon: ...for now, I'm still looking for an sshd_config tweaking |
| 20:22.03 | stew | billy_: you probably shouldn't |
| 20:22.31 | billy_ | stew: I'm not sure if that is optimal. |
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| 20:23.15 | torpid | not to get into a long winded debate, but if this is a desktop machine, running a completely "stable" branch isn't going to make that big of a difference. |
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| 20:26.34 | dawud | /etc/security/namespace.conf supports _either_ MLS, MCS, tmpdir or tmpfs as methods to polyinstantiate, any way to get _both_ MCS and tmpdir? it would be nice to clean stuff after users' logout |
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| 20:28.06 | DotHack | using stable... it looks like nested group support is broken.. |
| 20:28.42 | dawud | maybe I can use iscript to clean before login (not optimal) |
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| 20:30.33 | arietis | is there any way to download videos from itunes on debian? |
| 20:30.38 | dawud | BTW, does someone have news WRT SELinux refpolicy being update to a 2012 version in wheezy? |
| 20:30.48 | dawud | anytime soon, I mean |
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| 20:32.47 | billy_ | Nevermind. I just used iceweasel for a bit. Thanks. |
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| 20:34.12 | davidA | hi guys. Anyone here running debian on an asus 1215n ? |
| 20:34.37 | davidA | trying to get pinch/zoom working. My synaptic touch pad does support multitouch |
| 20:35.09 | davidA | (III) SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad buttons : left right double triple |
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| 20:40.23 | multiHYP | does the netinst come with GUI? |
| 20:40.31 | n-iCe | you install it |
| 20:40.34 | multiHYP | whats the default gui gnome? |
| 20:40.47 | multiHYP | n-iCe: is that a yes or no? |
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| 20:41.45 | n-iCe | you will be selecting what to install |
| 20:41.46 | echo083 | can someone give me the volatile line in his source.list file ? |
| 20:41.50 | n-iCe | it is a minimal installation |
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| 20:42.02 | n-iCe | you need internet, and will be aksing you to install utilities, desktop environment, etc |
| 20:42.11 | jpinx | multiHYP: the netinstall allows you to choose |
| 20:42.33 | jelly-home | multiHYP: the default DE is indeed Gnome and is what you get if you choose the Desktop task thingy |
| 20:42.35 | pfred1 | pick and choose |
| 20:42.41 | sertaconay | echo083, volatile line? |
| 20:42.50 | pfred1 | has no dirty little Gnome |
| 20:42.55 | echo083 | sertaconay, line containing volatile keywork inside |
| 20:42.56 | multiHYP | so what is the nice new shiny os x like GUI? |
| 20:43.05 | jelly-home | ? |
| 20:43.15 | phorce1 | OK, I'm going to be that annoying "customer" who asks questions while not actually in front of the machine to which I'm referring so I can't 'test' any of the answers until later |
| 20:43.15 | multiHYP | the tray glassish one |
| 20:43.20 | multiHYP | *gray |
| 20:43.28 | multiHYP | like os x with a top menu bar |
| 20:43.32 | jelly-home | phorce1: boo, hiss |
| 20:43.44 | multiHYP | yes Gnome 3 |
| 20:43.50 | multiHYP | where is that? |
| 20:44.05 | jelly-home | debian 6 does not have gnome 3 yet |
| 20:44.25 | pfred1 | I have no gnome period |
| 20:44.46 | multiHYP | so is gnome 3 like ubuntu's new one requiring dedicated graphics? |
| 20:44.47 | jpinx | multiHYP: no need for a DE - use openbox ;) |
| 20:44.56 | phorce1 | For the first time in 10 or 12 years I'm adding a second user to one of my home machines. Don't want her poking around in my files where I keep some sensitive work stuff. chmod -R o -rwx /home/myusername/*.* should fix that without breaking anything for me, right? |
| 20:44.59 | multiHYP | I know, but hey if there is one its ok |
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| 20:45.20 | pfred1 | p gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra |
| 20:45.23 | jpinx | multiHYP: lxde, xfce, etc |
| 20:45.29 | LaptopBrain | has just spent the better part of a night getting php to play nicely with fastcgi and suexec so that each user's php scripts execute as a specific user |
| 20:45.34 | LaptopBrain | it was a bit akward. |
| 20:45.36 | phorce1 | (default debian user group setup) |
| 20:46.03 | jelly-home | phorce1: just set the home directory to u=rwx (0700) and nothing else |
| 20:46.12 | multiHYP | jpinx: those are the old ones aren't they? |
| 20:46.21 | jelly-home | phorce1: no need for recursion |
| 20:46.24 | multiHYP | I'm asking regarding gnome 3 system requirements. |
| 20:46.41 | multiHYP | i mean why haven't they included it in debian yet? |
| 20:46.43 | LaptopBrain | now im realising that for easily adding users with web hosting, im going to need to script up a system which adds the user, adds the web dir, adds the virtualhost to apache, adds the dns zone, and adds virtual email. |
| 20:46.53 | jpinx | phorce1: let me check my vm ;) |
| 20:47.08 | multiHYP | not include but integrate. |
| 20:47.22 | dvs | multiHYP: Gnome 3 will be in the next version |
| 20:47.24 | jpinx | multiHYP: ask dpkg in a pm |
| 20:47.25 | phorce1 | jelly-home: OK, that I can test from here. But, gnome is involved and I think nautilus may let her delve inside |
| 20:47.30 | LaptopBrain | can anyone recommend a command line tool that will integrate all those steps in a customizable way, so that it can match my setup? |
| 20:47.36 | multiHYP | oh nice can't wait :) |
| 20:47.39 | LaptopBrain | or am i stuck on scripting it myself |
| 20:47.41 | multiHYP | ok cheers |
| 20:47.44 | dvs | i can wait |
| 20:47.47 | phorce1 | I can only test CLI based from here (ssh) |
| 20:48.18 | jelly-home | phorce1: I don't see why Nautilus would be able to override unix permissions |
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| 20:49.01 | jpinx | phorce1: default groups for a user appear to be user, cdrom, floppy, audio, dip, video plugdev |
| 20:49.10 | nkuttler | !tell LaptopBrain about free whcp |
| 20:49.43 | LaptopBrain | hmm, not a fan of control panels |
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| 20:49.59 | LaptopBrain | theyre all well and good until they force you into installing specific subsets of apps and configuring them in ass-ended ways |
| 20:50.03 | nkuttler | LaptopBrain: oh you want to manage everything yourself? |
| 20:50.15 | LaptopBrain | yes, but make it one or two-step commandlines |
| 20:50.21 | nkuttler | i see, no idea then |
| 20:50.32 | LaptopBrain | im ok with writing it myself, but if someone else has already done it and i can mod it, why reinvent the wheel? |
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| 20:50.59 | LaptopBrain | im into 100% managed hosting, so i dont have to provide a control panel for the neddies |
| 20:51.14 | LaptopBrain | it makes it less likely that theyll go making changes themselves and mess stuff up |
| 20:51.44 | phorce1 | jelly-home: She's not a computer person but what if she knows a full path like /home/myusername/downloads/ and only /home/myusername/ is 0700 |
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| 20:52.22 | jelly-home | phorce1: nothing, because no executable permissions |
| 20:52.38 | LaptopBrain | btw, i used to use webmin, still do on my freebsd box in my home... its taken debian to steer me away from it |
| 20:52.51 | LaptopBrain | mainly because i prefer it to phpmyadmin for db management |
| 20:54.01 | jelly-home | phorce1: now, 0701 or 0710 would make the other user be able to chdir into a known subdirectory |
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| 20:55.41 | MobilePenguin | ls |
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| 20:57.10 | phorce1 | jelly-home: yeah, testing from command line now. Can't get to directories that I know exist |
| 20:57.56 | jelly-home | MobilePenguin: no files in this channel, sorry |
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| 21:03.00 | phorce1 | Now, one other question that I really can't test until I get to the house. Same new user. She is added to all the same groups as me (except 'myusername'). But, when I try to play a video using mplayer when logged in as her it plays only the audio portion of the file, no video at all. Ideas for me to look at later? |
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| 21:04.03 | multiHYP | how risky is debian testing or debian unstable? |
| 21:04.58 | daemonkeeper | !iyhtays |
| 21:04.58 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 21:05.01 | pfred1 | multiHYP not too bad for desktop use |
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| 21:05.26 | jpinx | pfred1: hope you're around to help him then ;) |
| 21:05.57 | multiHYP | :D |
| 21:05.58 | pfred1 | jpinx I have to use packages from there sometimes myself the stable stuff is just too old to be compatible with a lot of software |
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| 21:06.19 | multiHYP | if unstable comes with nginx 1.2 or higher I'm ready to try it out |
| 21:06.37 | multiHYP | because unstable sounds really not that 'unstable' |
| 21:06.48 | jpinx | pfred1: use backports |
| 21:06.48 | abrotman | it might not be today, but tomorrow it might be totally broken |
| 21:06.54 | pfred1 | ubuntu is based on unstable |
| 21:06.58 | daemonkeeper | errr |
| 21:07.07 | pfred1 | jpinx it isn't up to date enough all the time but I do |
| 21:07.16 | abrotman | pfred1: no it's not |
| 21:07.20 | multiHYP | so an update to unstable might brake things? |
| 21:07.27 | abrotman | it might break a lot of things |
| 21:07.29 | daemonkeeper | I can understand some people to use testing/unstable on their desktops, but you should not, NEVER, use unstable on your servers. |
| 21:07.32 | multiHYP | :D |
| 21:07.47 | multiHYP | yes this is a testing vm |
| 21:08.07 | jpinx | !tell multiHYP about testing |
| 21:08.41 | jpinx | multiHYP: playing with testing in an experimental vm is what I do |
| 21:08.47 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Ubuntu is based on unstable indeed. Of course they freeze as well before releasing it, though. |
| 21:09.20 | multiHYP | so as far as I read gnome 3 is available for testing (wheezy) |
| 21:09.37 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i don't think that's true anymore, it was at one time |
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| 21:09.45 | multiHYP | yes if i could get a nice freeze of unstable would be nice. |
| 21:09.46 | multiHYP | :) |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: of course, it's offtopic here, so none of our business :) |
| 21:09.58 | multiHYP | and keep it frozen :) |
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| 21:10.02 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Of course. But I know for sure. |
| 21:10.04 | abrotman | multiHYP: would you like it frozen with all of the broken parts? |
| 21:10.29 | multiHYP | no thats why i say a 'nice freeze' |
| 21:10.31 | MobilePenguin | jelly-home: Trying to learn AwesomeWM :) |
| 21:10.43 | pfred1 | multiHYP any update has the potential of breaking things |
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| 21:10.46 | jpinx | multiHYP: define the tasks that truly "need" the sns and find a way to work around that in stable |
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| 21:10.54 | pfred1 | calling something stable is no guarantee |
| 21:11.03 | multiHYP | gnome 3 |
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| 21:11.05 | multiHYP | :) |
| 21:11.10 | daemonkeeper | stable does not mean what you thing it would (in Debian) |
| 21:11.11 | multiHYP | not possible in stable at all |
| 21:11.34 | jpinx | multiHYP: are you in a production environment? |
| 21:11.45 | multiHYP | no playing in a vm |
| 21:11.50 | pfred1 | in debian's case it'd be more honest if they simply called it stale |
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| 21:12.02 | multiHYP | stale is indeed! |
| 21:12.09 | jpinx | multiHYP: experimental vm ? |
| 21:12.16 | multiHYP | parallels |
| 21:12.28 | multiHYP | yes experimenting |
| 21:12.35 | daemonkeeper | Debian's definition of stable isn't "oh, we only include stable stuff" but "it does not move anymore to guarantee the best available stability and interoperability" |
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| 21:12.55 | jpinx | multiHYP: if it's a throw -away vm do what you like and learn more |
| 21:13.13 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper Lenny moved KDE on me at one point though not on an installed system |
| 21:13.18 | multiHYP | yes i think i get a netinst of unstable and see how that goes |
| 21:13.34 | multiHYP | do I need to get gnome 3 separately or is it possible to initially install with it? |
| 21:13.34 | jpinx | multiHYP: I have 2 vm's running on stable - one with wheezy and one with sid (currently broken) |
| 21:13.41 | dvs | multiHYP: no need to reinstall to get unstable |
| 21:13.59 | multiHYP | oh |
| 21:14.04 | jpinx | multiHYP: in your vm, install squeeze and then upgrade |
| 21:14.08 | pfred1 | though once you go there is no going back |
| 21:14.09 | multiHYP | !tell unstable |
| 21:14.26 | daemonkeeper | +nick |
| 21:14.30 | multiHYP | !tell about testing |
| 21:14.37 | multiHYP | with? |
| 21:14.40 | daemonkeeper | !tell multiHYP about testing |
| 21:14.42 | multiHYP | not tellingm me |
| 21:14.43 | dvs | multiHYP: /msg dpkg testing |
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| 21:14.57 | multiHYP | ok cool |
| 21:14.58 | jpinx | multiHYP: try to get into the habit of calling the releases by their names rather than their "modes" - -it'll save you a lot of grief in your sourcs.list |
| 21:15.27 | multiHYP | wheezy? |
| 21:16.03 | multiHYP | wheezy is testing, whats unstable called? |
| 21:16.17 | pfred1 | sid |
| 21:16.26 | multiHYP | like the naming convention, better than intel chip names. |
| 21:16.27 | jpinx | multiHYP: dunno what virtualisation you're using but I ran a vm with the netinstall.iso and installed squeeze, then upgraded -- you learn a lot more that way |
| 21:16.32 | pfred1 | sid is always the child that breaks his toys |
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| 21:17.07 | multiHYP | jpinx: how can I upgrade mine to unstable, i got amd64 of squeeze |
| 21:17.47 | jpinx | !tell multiHYP about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:18.55 | pfred1 | I don't like to upgrade i still have 2 Lenny boxes here |
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| 21:20.30 | multiHYP | lenny is the one before squeeze? |
| 21:20.36 | pfred1 | I bet if I dug around in my junk pile i could still find some machines that'd boot RH 7.3 |
| 21:20.43 | jpinx | multiHYP: etch |
| 21:21.28 | daemonkeeper | err, no. |
| 21:21.33 | pfred1 | yeah before that i had a spate of motherboard failures |
| 21:21.41 | jpinx | !tell multiHYP about release names |
| 21:21.44 | pfred1 | so that era is gone |
| 21:21.45 | daemonkeeper | woody -> sarge -> etch -> lenny -> squeeze |
| 21:22.07 | multiHYP | how can i check whether i have wheezy now? I got a couple of failed messages during upgrade. |
| 21:22.26 | jpinx | multiHYP: pastebin them |
| 21:22.32 | pfred1 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:22.35 | multiHYP | ahhh i thought the name sounded familiar |
| 21:22.52 | multiHYP | :( still 6.0.5 |
| 21:22.55 | pfred1 | 5 is lenny 6 squeeze |
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| 21:23.21 | jpinx | multiHYP: sounds like you didn't follow the instructions dpkg messaged to you |
| 21:23.40 | multiHYP | i did, i think that was not sufficient. here see: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ |
| 21:23.45 | multiHYP | a bit different |
| 21:24.09 | pfred1 | and here I thought most folks hated Gnome 3 ... |
| 21:24.27 | jpinx | multiHYP: I got dpkg to give you the exact instructions as a pm in here |
| 21:24.56 | multiHYP | i know i made some changes to my sources too |
| 21:25.04 | jpinx | multiHYP: it is sufficient for upgrading a "normal" squeze install |
| 21:25.04 | multiHYP | let me try something else. |
| 21:25.16 | jpinx | multiHYP: pastebin it |
| 21:25.29 | multiHYP | the source? |
| 21:25.51 | jpinx | sources.list and the error you got |
| 21:26.04 | acu | hey guys - I am trying to install debian wheezy amd64 into an i7 Laptop HP since 3 days - it installs fine and then when I reboot - it hangs at different stages - finally I installed fedora 17 and it install without a glitch - can anyone try to help - of course there are differences between fedora and debian wheezy - to begin with kernle in fedora is 3.3.4 while in debian wheezy is 3.2.0.2 or something, but I can swap the hard disk and go |
| 21:26.04 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.32 | jpinx | acu: installed how? |
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| 21:27.09 | acu | I did daily download amd64 netinstall |
| 21:27.21 | iluminator105 | how do i find out what a file really is extension is a cover |
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| 21:27.38 | multiHYP | http://pastebin.com/KZpJ5gTD |
| 21:27.41 | jpinx | iluminator105: file <filename> |
| 21:27.50 | wingnut2626 | I have wheezy installed on an mobile phone and i cannot connect to freenode or ftp servers via the command line. telnet is an issue too. any ideas |
| 21:27.55 | multiHYP | as I said what dpkg advises depends on what you originally had. |
| 21:28.13 | multiHYP | I'm sure mine has some bad links |
| 21:28.27 | jpinx | wingnut2626: what phone ? |
| 21:28.50 | wingnut2626 | samsung transfix. its an android phone |
| 21:29.02 | archetech | i need help setting up wordpress and phpbb in apache they are installed I need the right apache vhost config |
| 21:29.12 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: is it chroot pseudo-linux? |
| 21:29.16 | bardzusny | I mean, hmm |
| 21:29.20 | wingnut2626 | yup |
| 21:29.24 | archetech | I have one domain.com but want 2 apps under it |
| 21:29.35 | bardzusny | does ping works? |
| 21:29.37 | bardzusny | work |
| 21:29.48 | wingnut2626 | let me ss |
| 21:29.50 | wingnut2626 | see |
| 21:29.50 | archetech | like /var/www/app1 and app2 |
| 21:29.51 | dvs | multiHYP: where's the error message? |
| 21:30.01 | jpinx | multiHYP: and the error? |
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| 21:30.10 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: try pinging google.com and 8.8.8.8 (examples) |
| 21:30.16 | iluminator105 | jpinx, negative that does not work |
| 21:30.18 | wingnut2626 | nope getting the unknown host message |
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| 21:30.39 | jpinx | iluminator105: define "not work" |
| 21:30.48 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: and 8.8.8.8? |
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| 21:32.04 | multiHYP | ok this one is clearer: http://pastebin.com/x1rPkbUJ |
| 21:32.19 | iluminator105 | jpinx, it works but it does give the info i want |
| 21:32.28 | iluminator105 | doesn't* |
| 21:32.35 | multiHYP | still see the errors, cannot find some default links |
| 21:32.49 | wingnut2626 | socket: Permission denied |
| 21:33.08 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: as root? |
| 21:33.12 | dvs | multiHYP: comment out the security line |
| 21:33.39 | jpinx | multiHYP: pastebin the error |
| 21:33.41 | wingnut2626 | havent tried it as root, trying that now |
| 21:33.44 | multiHYP | brilliant! |
| 21:33.48 | multiHYP | 910MB |
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| 21:34.13 | dvs | multiHYP: also, ftp.debian.org is not a Debian repo |
| 21:34.20 | wingnut2626 | as root, the ping to 8.8.8.8 works |
| 21:34.21 | multiHYP | i guess testing or unstable don't bother with securities:D |
| 21:34.54 | multiHYP | no its the gnome3 tutorial i copied |
| 21:35.03 | jpinx | multiHYP: you haven't read the notes from dpkg?? |
| 21:35.17 | jpinx | gives up |
| 21:35.29 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: 'echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 >> /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 21:35.35 | bardzusny | internet should work as root |
| 21:35.41 | multiHYP | i did, but the notes won't help if your initial sources.list contains different things. |
| 21:35.47 | bardzusny | as for "socket: Permission denied", I think that's android thing |
| 21:36.00 | multiHYP | it works now... |
| 21:36.41 | wingnut2626 | so if i run that string that should solve my problems? |
| 21:37.04 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: internet should work as root, yes |
| 21:38.23 | wingnut2626 | it doesnt. not under that shell. i can still run the aptitude commands, though |
| 21:38.47 | multiHYP | after os x, i think gnome 3 has the most attractive UI design. |
| 21:39.21 | nkuttler | thinks a command line is much hotter |
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| 21:39.45 | bardzusny | wingnut2626: if aptitude works then internetz works too, did you try running everything as root? (not recommended, but you may not find way around it) |
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| 21:40.10 | wingnut2626 | yeah i tried that, still does not work |
| 21:40.31 | bardzusny | hmm |
| 21:41.02 | bardzusny | sorry, no idea how to help you more |
| 21:41.03 | wingnut2626 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.09 | bardzusny | anyway, I can assure you it's not debian problem |
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| 21:41.21 | bardzusny | running chrooted os on android is just pain in the ass |
| 21:41.37 | wingnut2626 | yeah i see. ill work with it |
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| 22:01.48 | mikkelb | Hello |
| 22:01.49 | multiHYP | mounting local filesystem fails and debian 3… starts in cli mode :/ |
| 22:01.51 | mikkelb | Can someone help me come up with the best possible metric vs imperial conversion table? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11172209/best-possible-metric-vs-imperial-conversion-table |
| 22:01.55 | mikkelb | I can pay $50 |
| 22:03.01 | homes | mikkelb: offtopic, we don't care |
| 22:03.26 | mikkelb | homes: hehe |
| 22:03.34 | mikkelb | homes: whats up homie? |
| 22:03.57 | multiHYP | jpinx: I lost my gui all together :( |
| 22:04.04 | multiHYP | now only wheezy has cli |
| 22:04.17 | homes | multiHYP: have you tried 'startx'? |
| 22:04.28 | mikkelb | homes: what the fuck is up!!!!!!! |
| 22:04.32 | mikkelb | hehe |
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| 22:04.40 | mikkelb | you acting like im not talking to you :) |
| 22:04.50 | mikkelb | *waves his hands in front of your face* |
| 22:04.57 | multiHYP | homes: yep fails |
| 22:05.10 | multiHYP | i didn't want x anyway, I installed gnome |
| 22:05.17 | multiHYP | but cannot launch it |
| 22:05.38 | mikkelb | multiHYP: perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away |
| 22:05.57 | mikkelb | take it from me, i've spent years working as a UI designer at both microsoft and adobe |
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| 22:06.03 | multiHYP | mikkelb: get your conversion going :) |
| 22:06.12 | mikkelb | i can tell you right now the best solution out there is the commandline |
| 22:06.14 | nezZario | are there official/semi-official amazon AMI images for debian? |
| 22:06.20 | mikkelb | straight up my brother, straight up :D |
| 22:06.21 | multiHYP | mikkelb: you must be terrible, they both suck at that |
| 22:06.33 | mikkelb | is now playing: http://home.no/mritz/bts_2006.mp3 |
| 22:06.46 | mikkelb | multiHYP: hehe exactly thats why i resigned from both positions |
| 22:06.46 | ompaul | mikkelb: have you a debian question? |
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| 22:07.05 | mikkelb | multiHYP: i now work at apple |
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| 22:07.17 | mikkelb | multiHYP: you can see my personal website at http://wearebuild.com though |
| 22:07.20 | ompaul | mikkelb: have you a debian question? |
| 22:07.27 | mikkelb | ompaul: whats your problem man |
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| 22:07.33 | mikkelb | im not allowed to talk to a dear friend of mine |
| 22:07.43 | mikkelb | yeah i have tons of debian questions bro! |
| 22:07.45 | ompaul | this is a tech support channel - we have an offtopic |
| 22:07.48 | multiHYP | troll I'm no friend of yours. |
| 22:08.03 | mikkelb | multiHYP: we're not all friends up in here? |
| 22:08.23 | multiHYP | what a douche |
| 22:08.29 | mikkelb | hehe |
| 22:08.35 | mikkelb | some people man |
| 22:08.38 | mikkelb | shakes his head |
| 22:08.42 | multiHYP | su |
| 22:08.45 | multiHYP | oops |
| 22:08.50 | mikkelb | its cool though |
| 22:08.54 | mjmt | mikkelb: Decaf. Switch to it. |
| 22:09.01 | mikkelb | i still consider u a friend man |
| 22:09.08 | mikkelb | mjmt: hehe |
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| 22:10.22 | mikkelb | is now playing: http://home.no/dwaynie/mh.mp3 |
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| 22:10.24 | ompaul | mikkelb: we have an offtopic channel |
| 22:10.31 | mikkelb | fuck, sorry y'all.. thought i'd turned that damn thing off |
| 22:10.45 | mikkelb | ompaul: cool thanks man |
| 22:10.49 | mikkelb | i didnt know |
| 22:10.53 | jelly-home | mikkelb: stop doing that np thing. If other 1200 people all did that the channel would be useless. |
| 22:11.06 | mikkelb | jelly-home: yeah im sorry |
| 22:11.46 | multiHYP | jelly-home: I screwed up my squeeze and now I have a wheezy on top of it. both of which lack windowing system. tried to install gnome 3 and ended up with nothing :( |
| 22:12.27 | jelly-home | multiHYP: good luck with that. Not a Gnome user here. |
| 22:12.45 | multiHYP | i think you might have made a good choice :s |
| 22:12.46 | mikkelb | gnome is very, very bad imho |
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| 22:13.15 | mikkelb | we're working on a rival window manager, still gonna take a couple of years to complete but when it's done it's gonna take over the scene i promise y'all |
| 22:13.19 | mikkelb | http://max-planck-research-networks.net/ |
| 22:13.33 | jelly-home | multiHYP: why did you not just restore the squeeze system from a backup |
| 22:13.39 | mikkelb | which is why multiHYP i suggest the commandline until a REAL window manager comes along |
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| 22:13.45 | ompaul | !ops that I find myself complaining about mikkelb it must be sunday in it's TZ |
| 22:13.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: that I find myself complaining about mikkelb it must be sunday in it's TZ |
| 22:13.49 | multiHYP | didn't make a backup :D |
| 22:14.00 | multiHYP | its ok its a vm i make another one... |
| 22:14.31 | jelly-home | what do you mean "didn't make a backup" |
| 22:14.38 | jelly-home | how does that even |
| 22:14.54 | engla | it's a VM so |
| 22:15.03 | mikkelb | ompaul: whats that? |
| 22:15.14 | multiHYP | parallel vm, i could make a copy but didn't |
| 22:15.20 | mikkelb | jelly-home: multiHYP is autistic - give him some space |
| 22:15.23 | abrotman | ompaul: hi ? |
| 22:15.35 | mikkelb | so is ompaul by the way |
| 22:15.35 | engla | multiHYP: even a snapshot maybe (don't know P) |
| 22:15.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: I second his opinion. |
| 22:15.45 | multiHYP | yes it has snapshots |
| 22:15.46 | mikkelb | who just spammed half the channel |
| 22:15.48 | mikkelb | nicely done! |
| 22:15.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
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| 22:15.56 | ompaul | thanks |
| 22:16.09 | abrotman | mikkelb: please take a timeout, be more helpful, less spouting nonsense |
| 22:16.19 | dvs | hides |
| 22:16.49 | init[dot]d | Installing deb wish me luck :D |
| 22:16.53 | multiHYP | so what should i install that comes with gnome3, i don't want to screw things up again. |
| 22:17.30 | init[dot]d | multiHYP whadda you mean? |
| 22:17.41 | jelly-home | multiHYP: I suggest fixing the system you already have. |
| 22:17.41 | jpinx | multiHYP: enjoy wheezy - now you know why it's called testing :) |
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| 22:18.03 | multiHYP | how, its cli and startx gives me error |
| 22:18.28 | init[dot]d | multiHYP which distro? |
| 22:18.32 | bardzusny | what error |
| 22:18.34 | dvs | multiHYP: There's a file called /var/log/Xorg.0.log that has error messages when starting X |
| 22:18.41 | multiHYP | i had squeeze but upgraded to testing |
| 22:18.47 | multiHYP | i know |
| 22:18.48 | bardzusny | oh wait, you'll just send him to #debian-next |
| 22:18.50 | multiHYP | let me check |
| 22:19.00 | bardzusny | :) |
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| 22:20.56 | multiHYP | yes the log is just bunch of info |
| 22:21.12 | multiHYP | and i see successful a couple of times strangely |
| 22:21.13 | init[dot]d | lols |
| 22:21.26 | multiHYP | jpinx: what happened? |
| 22:22.26 | jpinx | multiHYP: please understand that this # is for supporting stable - currently squeeze . not wheezy |
| 22:22.41 | multiHYP | bah |
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| 22:23.00 | jpinx | multiHYP: when you go to wheezy you really have to start learning and experimenting yourself |
| 22:23.04 | n1md4 | hello. I've a bug with networkmanager applet, it connects to a network but the icon remains on "...", any ideas? |
| 22:23.08 | multiHYP | in the initial startup if local filesystem fails I'm done right? |
| 22:23.33 | multiHYP | it happens either case, 2.3 or 3... |
| 22:24.24 | ompaul | multiHYP: we do have a channel on a different network for wheezy - #debian-next on irc.oftc.net but the people there mostly expect you do have some debian knowledge as it is understood if you dig into it and get into testing or SID you are willing for the system to fail |
| 22:24.56 | ompaul | multiHYP: and you may have to go back to scratch (not expected to happen but it could if exactly the wrong package broke |
| 22:24.59 | multiHYP | i know yes, i think i go back squeeze for a bit more. |
| 22:25.27 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 22:25.28 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 22:25.29 | jpinx | multiHYP: you're doing the right thing in learning in a vm ;) |
| 22:26.00 | multiHYP | dvs: not downgrading, setting up a new vm. |
| 22:26.06 | dvs | ok |
| 22:26.19 | jpinx | multiHYP: trying to roll back to squeeze will open your eys to a world of pain ;) |
| 22:26.33 | init[dot]d | lol |
| 22:26.34 | nezZario | when I install a package, is there anyway to force a pkg to install everything under /foo ? |
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| 22:26.40 | multiHYP | nah not trying that. that might actually put me off. |
| 22:26.46 | init[dot]d | changing all the repos was an awesome idea |
| 22:26.55 | init[dot]d | kudos to whomever did that fine job |
| 22:27.42 | ompaul | nezZario: no |
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| 22:27.52 | luke-jr | is it true that Debian is going to require 64-bit userland on 64-bit kernels? :/ |
| 22:28.10 | ompaul | nezZario: unless you don't use apt just dpkg -x |
| 22:28.12 | init[dot]d | nezZario if you build it from source yes usually but not advisable |
| 22:28.30 | nezZario | what do you mean it's not advisable ? |
| 22:28.31 | peterrooney | nezZario: with dpkg, yes, but ask yourself why first. |
| 22:28.33 | ompaul | nezZario: but that is not a great idea |
| 22:28.42 | init[dot]d | agrees |
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| 22:29.04 | nezZario | i'm trying to make something run within ec2 spot instances.. |
| 22:29.24 | luke-jr | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2012/06/msg00597.html worries me |
| 22:29.40 | ompaul | nezZario: what you do in ec2 stays in ec2 that may or may not allow what is suggested no idea |
| 22:29.58 | jelly-home | luke-jr: what's worrying there? |
| 22:30.24 | luke-jr | jelly-home: dropping support for amd64 kernels on i386, and never supporting an x32-only userspace? |
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| 22:31.17 | jelly-home | luke-jr: well... if you have multiarch, and only the base system (or less) is amd64, why would you care? |
| 22:31.32 | luke-jr | jelly-home: I don't want multiarch, nor amd64 userspace |
| 22:31.40 | ompaul | then don't install it |
| 22:31.55 | ompaul | it's not likely in wheezy |
| 22:32.44 | luke-jr | ompaul: I'm not sure I understand you - the post seems to suggest amd64 userland will be required if I have an amd64 kernel |
| 22:32.46 | jelly-home | luke-jr: you don't have x32 at all at present time, how is current situation any better? |
| 22:32.58 | luke-jr | jelly-home: current situation, I can install an amd64 kernel on i386 Debian |
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| 22:33.10 | jelly-home | and no x32 at all. |
| 22:33.18 | luke-jr | it's not as ideal as x32, but it's better than amd64… |
| 22:33.20 | jelly-home | i386 will still be there. |
| 22:33.28 | luke-jr | jelly-home: but with an amd64 kernel? |
| 22:33.34 | luke-jr | without amd64 kernel, systems are limited to 4 GB RAM |
| 22:33.34 | jelly-home | you will still be able to install an am64 kernel via multiarch. |
| 22:33.50 | luke-jr | without installing an amd64 userland? |
| 22:33.55 | engla | luke-jr: you know it's not true. PAE allows more than 4GB Ram |
| 22:34.04 | jelly-home | luke-jr: check its dependencies. |
| 22:34.09 | luke-jr | engla: do consumer motherboards today have PAE? |
| 22:34.41 | trysten | i need to get the uuid of a hard-disk from inside the initramfs shell |
| 22:34.46 | jelly-home | luke-jr: hell, you can do it without multiarch using --force-architecture |
| 22:35.08 | nezZario | so i have a persistent ebs drive, which is mounted on /foo .. i want to install a few pkgs (powerdns,mysql,rsync,etc) to /foo so they survive termination |
| 22:35.16 | luke-jr | jelly-home: with automatic upgrades etc working? |
| 22:35.18 | nezZario | i guess i'll compile it myself or maybe use pkgsrc |
| 22:35.43 | engla | luke-jr: I didn't know the motherboard would be important |
| 22:35.46 | trysten | nezZario: debootstrap and chroot? |
| 22:35.58 | jelly-home | luke-jr: haven't tried that, I've only installed custom _amd64.deb kernels that way |
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| 22:36.12 | engla | trysten: you have blkid? |
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| 22:36.29 | nezZario | trysten, now that's an idea.. |
| 22:36.37 | jelly-home | luke-jr: you can set up a testing machine and try it |
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| 22:36.44 | nezZario | what do you mean by debootstrapping though? |
| 22:36.47 | trysten | engla: doh! yeh. thanks engla. trying now. |
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| 22:37.16 | jelly-home | luke-jr: and if you do, why not report back how much of EVIL AMD64 USERSPACE got installed |
| 22:37.19 | jelly-home | *sigh* |
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| 22:40.59 | peterrooney | nezZario: and, as I mentioned before, dpkg has options to specify installation directories |
| 22:41.10 | inspira | hola |
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| 22:46.32 | trysten | hi |
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| 22:46.47 | impirat | This is the site --> http://impirat.com |
| 22:46.47 | impirat | JUST VISIT IT! IT S ONLY FOR SEO!!! TRY TO UNDESTEND :D |
| 22:46.48 | impirat | Îöåíèòå ñàéò --> http://impirat.com Ìíå ÷èñòî äëÿ ÒÈÖ è ÑÅÎ :D |
| 22:46.49 | impirat | This is the site --> http://impirat.com |
| 22:46.49 | impirat | JUST VISIT IT! IT S ONLY FOR SEO!!! TRY TO UNDESTEND :D |
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| 22:47.04 | trysten | hmm, should i go to there? |
| 22:47.06 | trysten | nope. |
| 22:47.14 | init[dot]d | click eet!!! lol |
| 22:47.38 | init[dot]d | Ok so when I follow the dpkg bot instructions I get packages cant be authenticated |
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| 22:47.54 | init[dot]d | should I just go for it? Last time it messed up the whole system |
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| 22:49.30 | init[dot]d | pull ALL the cheetos off the shelf |
| 22:49.35 | init[dot]d | should I just go for it? Last time it messed up the whole system |
| 22:51.01 | trysten | what? o.O |
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| 22:51.46 | init[dot]d | what do i do? |
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| 22:52.07 | dzragon | do something you do |
| 22:52.09 | init[dot]d | someone moved all the repos and now I cant upgrade it breaks deb what do I do? |
| 22:52.47 | trysten | init[dot]d: no one moved all the repos.. just fix your sources.list and update your keyring. |
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| 22:53.54 | init[dot]d | Since nobody moved the repos lenny gets a 404 error on update |
| 22:54.01 | init[dot]d | so they are still tyhere? |
| 22:54.11 | init[dot]d | I thought a 404 was not found? |
| 22:56.15 | lasers | !lenny | init[dot]d |
| 22:57.26 | trysten | oh i see. lenny. nobody moved the repos, they are gone XD |
| 22:57.48 | init[dot]d | Oh rlly? |
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| 22:58.15 | trysten | init[dot]d: well they are in the archives. but it's not much of a repo anymore. more of a repo archive |
| 22:58.44 | init[dot]d | and the dpkg bot tells me to update sources (done) then apt-get long string here, and when I do none of the packages can be authenticated |
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| 22:59.36 | init[dot]d | apt-get install debian-keyring gives the error "No install candidate |
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| 23:00.11 | craigevil | init[dot]d, lenny no longer on mirrors; EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:00.13 | jagginess | init[dot]d: try apt-cache search keyring |
| 23:00.16 | craigevil | read the topic |
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| 23:01.21 | init[dot]d | craigevil read my resaponses |
| 23:01.29 | init[dot]d | I tried what the bot says |
| 23:03.14 | craigevil | change sources.list to point to archive dist-upgrade, change repos to point to squeeze then read the release notes so you upgrade properly |
| 23:05.10 | trysten | i just chowned the root of a debian installation. is that going to break anything? |
| 23:05.23 | trysten | didn't realize his mistake until it was too late |
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| 23:07.20 | init[dot]d | Updated all the surce lists and all I get is an error about NO_PUBKEY |
| 23:07.33 | nezZario | what the foo.. my debian install here doesn't have LVM ? |
| 23:07.38 | nezZario | how do I install it? |
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| 23:08.47 | jagginess | nezZario: why would you need it? you already installed your system |
| 23:09.06 | nezZario | uh,.. |
| 23:09.11 | nezZario | maybe I'm putting new partitions in? |
| 23:09.15 | nezZario | new disks? |
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| 23:13.36 | nezZario | dude |
| 23:13.41 | jagginess | nezZario: no point if you'll be disconnecting them all the time on usb |
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| 23:14.08 | nezZario | it's really bugging me |
| 23:14.16 | nezZario | it doesn't appear to be provided by a pkg |
| 23:14.26 | jagginess | lol |
| 23:14.32 | craigevil | ,versions lvm2 |
| 23:14.33 | judd | Package: lvm2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.02.39-8; lenny-security: 2.02.39-8; squeeze: 2.02.66-5; sid: 2.02.95-4; wheezy: 2.02.95-4 |
| 23:14.35 | jagginess | you're not able to understand lvm.. |
| 23:14.49 | jagginess | you're not even acquainted with terminal |
| 23:14.59 | nezZario | are you kidding me? |
| 23:15.02 | craigevil | lvm is something you use when installing it isnt a package you just install |
| 23:15.42 | multiHYP | night all |
| 23:15.47 | jagginess | pwahahaa man.. can you guys rftfm for once? |
| 23:15.57 | nezZario | looks like it is |
| 23:16.04 | nezZario | just need the dm kernel stuff |
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| 23:16.26 | jagginess | nezZario: its not stuff, you have to know exactly what you're looking for.. |
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| 23:17.37 | ompaul | nezZario: you use LVM during the install phase to create the place you put the file systems to create the places you put swap slash and other interesting ideas to place the files you want to install in to allow users log in and ruin your good work :) |
| 23:18.00 | nezZario | i know what lvm is, thanks though |
| 23:18.03 | jagginess | ompaul: i told him that.. |
| 23:18.12 | nezZario | this image didn't have it in there |
| 23:18.15 | ompaul | jagginess: I was operating in -vvv version :) |
| 23:18.54 | nezZario | i use it for backup drives |
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| 23:19.33 | nezZario | it's nice to be able to attack a new 100gb virtual disk and be able to "fake raid0" it across multiple disks with just a few commands then growfs |
| 23:19.42 | nezZario | or whatveer linux's grow is.. resizefs? |
| 23:19.48 | crunchbang | hey i am looking for ways to recover my partitions, i have the backup of the partition table, and I didn't write data on the old partitions, but i also want to keep the current partition table. So how can I merge them? |
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| 23:20.27 | nezZario | crunchbang you can't really merge them |
| 23:20.45 | nezZario | maybe if you had two disks of the same size (or where x = your current disk and other disk is >= x) |
| 23:20.49 | crunchbang | what about only recovering the ones i want and leaving the rest |
| 23:21.20 | nezZario | you *should* be able to use fdisk to rewrite the parition table EXACTLY *if* you haven't modified ANYTHING since writing your new disklabel |
| 23:21.21 | crunchbang | i mean the partitions |
| 23:21.33 | kevlarman | nezZario: that's pretty much zfs territory |
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| 23:21.53 | macondo | hi, i installed debian-6.0.5 minimal install when i tried to enter the X system, didn't recognize 'startx' i tried updating but there was no connection to any server |
| 23:22.03 | nezZario | kevlarman: zfs is a pain to setup .. zfs-fuse seems very beta/not production ready to me |
| 23:22.14 | crunchbang | i have created a new other partition so i want to keep it, either.. |
| 23:22.19 | kevlarman | nezZario: yeah and slow :( |
| 23:22.38 | crunchbang | but it was not created on the old partitions i want to recover |
| 23:22.41 | macondo | is there a package i am missing? |
| 23:22.54 | crunchbang | xorg |
| 23:22.55 | peterrooney | is still using ext2 - tried and true |
| 23:23.00 | kevlarman | macondo: the minimal install doesn't have X on it |
| 23:23.08 | kevlarman | otherwise it wouldn't be very minimal |
| 23:23.10 | nezZario | i know freebsd has OK zfs support but freebsd lacks major xen support (as a domu, even) .. netbsd has a true zfs implementation as well but last I checked it was broken worse than zfs-fuse |
| 23:23.46 | nezZario | peterrooney: that's what I'm using for my /backups/ partition.. it's ext2fs on top of a lvm lv :) |
| 23:23.51 | kevlarman | nezZario: jails replace many of the use cases for xen |
| 23:23.52 | crunchbang | i can even see those deleted partitions with testdisk.. |
| 23:23.55 | adrakoa | bye |
| 23:23.58 | macondo | crunchbang: i can't connect to the repos in order to install xorg |
| 23:24.05 | pfred1 | nezZario Earth isn't your home planet is it? |
| 23:24.10 | kevlarman | nezZario: and it's very hard to find a cpu these days without amd-v/vt-x |
| 23:24.32 | nezZario | kevlarman, I run almost -everything- on top of xen in some way |
| 23:24.33 | petemc | zfsonlinux is supposedly usable |
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| 23:24.48 | crunchbang | macondo: give more details about how you can't connect to the repos |
| 23:25.00 | nezZario | pfred1: haha, why do you say that? |
| 23:25.04 | init[dot]d | lol |
| 23:25.28 | init[dot]d | probably the same issue everyone is having initially installed debian |
| 23:25.33 | init[dot]d | the repos are not there |
| 23:25.34 | kevlarman | is it bad that i'm more offended by the fact that he used cp1251(?) than i am by the spam? |
| 23:25.42 | jagginess | !ops impirat-com |
| 23:25.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jagginess complains about: impirat-com |
| 23:25.48 | macondo | when i try #apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade it gives a screen full of failed connection to the servers |
| 23:25.54 | kevlarman | jagginess: he already got klined by the bot |
| 23:25.55 | jagginess | that guy keeps coming on here to spam |
| 23:25.56 | nezZario | kevlarman: +1 to you |
| 23:25.58 | jagginess | oh ok |
| 23:26.15 | pfred1 | nezZario < nezZario> i know freebsd has OK zfs support but freebsd lacks major xen support (as a domu, even) .. netbsd has a true zfs implementation as well but last I checked it was broken worse than zfs-fuse isn't exactly human language |
| 23:26.18 | init[dot]d | macondo you need to change your sources list to squeeze not lenny |
| 23:26.24 | macondo | DHCP went ok during the installation |
| 23:26.27 | crunchbang | ping debian.org |
| 23:26.42 | init[dot]d | pong |
| 23:27.00 | crunchbang | expected that pong from macondo :P |
| 23:27.06 | init[dot]d | oops |
| 23:27.09 | init[dot]d | derps |
| 23:27.16 | kevlarman | nezZario: i'm currently stuck upgrading python2 code to deal with utf8 :( |
| 23:27.22 | macondo | thanks i'll try that i'll be back |
| 23:27.30 | kevlarman | (and later things like cp1251) |
| 23:27.35 | crunchbang | so any idea about my issue |
| 23:28.30 | jagginess | i'm looking for s light touch keyboard, anyone using one? (asking because i just spent a hundred dollar keyboard and its noisy as f!) |
| 23:28.37 | jagginess | nm lol.. |
| 23:28.42 | nezZario | pfred1: =) lol.. i just use xen (it's virtualization software, like kvm, but a little more enterprise) for 100% of my servers in some way.. |
| 23:28.50 | nezZario | i also use about every OS you can imagine.. |
| 23:29.05 | nezZario | debian is my favorite linux =) |
| 23:29.20 | _aeris_ | jagginess > typematrix keyboard |
| 23:29.22 | crunchbang | lol |
| 23:29.26 | _aeris_ | with a skin =) |
| 23:29.56 | pfred1 | debian butchers the kernel pretty bad if truth be told |
| 23:30.09 | nezZario | p.s. "apt-get install lvm2" fixed lvm missing |
| 23:30.19 | nezZario | had to reboot .. it even updated the kernel with the linux dm stuff |
| 23:30.21 | pfred1 | though their package manager really can't be beat |
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| 23:31.00 | nezZario | pfred1: yeah unfortunately i don't have time to look at specifics like that.. I also note (to be honest) that debian has a lot of security errata but my guess is because they classify more bugs as security errata than other OS's (which is good) |
| 23:31.14 | pfred1 | package management is really what a distribution boils down to for me |
| 23:31.39 | jagginess | _aeris_: interesting, close though.. what i'm looking for is the cherrymx "red" switch keyboard with medium high key (hard to find this out-- cherrymx is one of the best key switches out there.. i found out this keyb doesnt have the "red" cherry code -- red meaning light touch and not noisy) |
| 23:32.00 | nezZario | pfred1, exactly - for me it's pkg management and virtualization support .. all linux nowadays has great xen support, so back to pkg manager .. debian seems "slim" to me if you install the base install as well.. no 15 minutes turning crap off with chkconfig as with centos .. |
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| 23:32.34 | pfred1 | nezZario yes then there are the canned configurations which i try to avoid anymore |
| 23:32.43 | majuscule | jagginess: what kb are you using? |
| 23:32.50 | jagginess | nezZario: if something is missing, sometimes an apt-get -f install does a fix |
| 23:32.53 | pfred1 | I mean great if one fits someone but none suit me |
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| 23:33.26 | jagginess | using the choco noppo mini.. |
| 23:33.30 | jagginess | it's expensive.. |
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| 23:33.53 | jagginess | (88+key but i can acivate like 15 extra with a meta key) |
| 23:34.14 | jagginess | discovered that cherrymx had color codes for different force keys.. |
| 23:34.29 | pfred1 | jagginess seems emacsen to me |
| 23:34.30 | jagginess | this definitely isnt the red coded ones.. |
| 23:34.33 | _aeris_ | jagginess > seems the daskeyboard have red-switch |
| 23:34.49 | jagginess | _aeris_: not sure about that.. i think they say tactile.. |
| 23:35.05 | majuscule | jagginess: brown is looks like |
| 23:35.18 | majuscule | jagginess: i was considering buying a cherry mx brown kb |
| 23:35.22 | macondo | crunchbang: when i ping debian.org i get: Unknown host debian.org, the sources.list are pointing to 'squeeze' |
| 23:35.32 | majuscule | jagginess: a friend has the blue, loud as hell hehe |
| 23:35.40 | jagginess | ya.. thats tactile, i have a link describing the different color codes after i made the purchase.. (i was trying to dig this info before making the final buy) |
| 23:35.44 | crunchbang | you are not connected to the interwebz then |
| 23:35.52 | jagginess | majuscule: i thought blue was quiet.. you sure about this? |
| 23:36.18 | majuscule | jagginess: blue is supposed to be quite! but a quick search said the choco noppo mini uses the blue? |
| 23:36.23 | kevlarman | jagginess: blues are the loud ones |
| 23:36.25 | macondo | DHCP went fine during the installation |
| 23:36.28 | jagginess | majuscule: where ? |
| 23:36.33 | majuscule | jagginess: oh wait sorry! |
| 23:36.36 | majuscule | jagginess: mispoke |
| 23:36.40 | _aeris_ | jagginess > for daskb, « tactile » is « clicky tactile » |
| 23:36.40 | jagginess | ah |
| 23:36.41 | majuscule | jagginess: brown is what i meant |
| 23:37.00 | peterrooney | macondo: seems unlikely dhcp went fine, as you don't seem to have DNS resolving |
| 23:37.02 | kevlarman | jagginess: black and red are quiet without tactile feedback (red is softer than black) |
| 23:37.10 | _aeris_ | but it's not red, but blue on daskb |
| 23:37.21 | jagginess | _aeris_: yes.. i was reading that cherrmx are amazing key switches.. you get exactly a high quality grid.. i never miss a stroke.. but its too noisy and the keys are too high.. feels industrial like |
| 23:37.22 | kevlarman | _aeris_: they have brown as well |
| 23:37.52 | _aeris_ | my tm is not mecanical, but very silent ! |
| 23:37.53 | craigevil | macondo, what does your /etc/resolv.conf have in it |
| 23:37.58 | macondo | peterrooney: that is the message i got during the install, it recognized dhcp and said it was ok |
| 23:38.00 | nezZario | meh |
| 23:38.03 | jagginess | _aeris_: yes.. i'd like to know how keyboard makers "label" their keyboards.. they dont make the keyboard switches.. |
| 23:38.20 | jagginess | _aeris_: and may change the official status label of the underlying switch type.. |
| 23:38.31 | nezZario | i think i shall make a script called 'fsckinginstall' |
| 23:38.35 | kevlarman | jagginess: they all buy the same switches |
| 23:38.46 | nezZario | to detect OS and use the appropriate pkg manager |
| 23:38.46 | jagginess | _aeris_: but i read blue was supposed to be one of the softer ones, and i think red is supposed to be the softest (not tactile) |
| 23:38.47 | kevlarman | jagginess: if you pull off the keycaps, the switches are actually that color |
| 23:38.56 | _aeris_ | i use a not-labelled keyboard |
| 23:39.01 | _aeris_ | so all key are the same :þ |
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| 23:39.42 | trysten | hi #debian |
| 23:39.55 | macondo | craigevil: i'll have to jump to the other hard drive where i'm trying to install debian, l'll get back to you, thanks |
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| 23:40.09 | trysten | is there a way to see what driver is tied to a block device? or something similar? |
| 23:40.27 | Guest93033 | I need help! My site don't work in DEBIAN! Why??? http://impirat.com |
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| 23:41.49 | nezZario | lol |
| 23:41.51 | nezZario | hahaha |
| 23:41.56 | nezZario | smarter 2nd time around eh |
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| 23:42.06 | jagginess | i think i have an argument with my ebay seller (though im part to blame)-- apparently there's other keyboards of my model being advertised as red.. that may have been a reason i bought this one, thinking it was red coded too ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Noppoo-Choc-Mini-NKRO-Mechanical-Keyboard-Cherry-MX-Red-/250888280157 ) .. |
| 23:42.09 | kevlarman | nezZario: more like 5th |
| 23:42.15 | jagginess | btw my keyb is brown cherrymx coded |
| 23:42.26 | jagginess | (brown is tactile and noisy) |
| 23:42.33 | kevlarman | jagginess: brown isn't noisy |
| 23:42.37 | jagginess | yes |
| 23:42.43 | kevlarman | jagginess: the tactile feedback is silent |
| 23:42.50 | jagginess | no.. |
| 23:42.57 | jagginess | brown isnt.. |
| 23:43.00 | kevlarman | jagginess: blue switches have a mechanism designed to make a noise |
| 23:43.04 | kevlarman | jagginess: the rest of them don't |
| 23:43.35 | jagginess | i have the spec sheets (as i said i only learned later after buying the keyboard, that there are different color codes) |
| 23:43.41 | kevlarman | none of the other switch types are any quieter than brown |
| 23:43.50 | jagginess | kevlarman: you noob. that's not true. |
| 23:43.54 | jagginess | lol |
| 23:44.34 | kevlarman | jagginess: i actually have one |
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| 23:44.43 | jagginess | kevlarman: you don't/ |
| 23:44.45 | jagginess | . |
| 23:44.47 | jagginess | tsk. |
| 23:45.22 | jagginess | i dont have blue coded.. but from what i read.. its blue, then there's red(which isnt supposed to be tactile) |
| 23:45.48 | macondo | craigevil: my /etc/resolv.conf : search cableonda.net |
| 23:46.22 | macondo | craigevil: name server 200.75.200.3 |
| 23:46.25 | kevlarman | jagginess: blue switches have tactile feedback and a mechanism designed to generate a loud "click" |
| 23:46.43 | macondo | craigevil:200.75.200.2 |
| 23:46.50 | kevlarman | jagginess: brown and clear switches have tactile feedback without the mechanism, it's just a small bump when you press the key |
| 23:47.01 | kevlarman | black and red have no feedback at all |
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| 23:49.26 | macondo | craigevil: should i add cpe at the beginning of the line at the /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:49.36 | kevlarman | jagginess: brown and clear switches don't make noise other than the two pieces of plastic sliding against each other |
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| 23:50.06 | kevlarman | (which is actually pretty bad before the keyboard is broken in) |
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| 23:50.58 | kevlarman | oh and if you hit the base of the keyboard with the keycap, that will obviously be loud, but it's your own fault for doing it |
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| 23:54.42 | jagginess | kevlarman: gee you're reading this off a site.. but nice try.. black does have feedback but not in the way you think it does.. |
| 23:55.52 | kevlarman | jagginess: no i'm not, i bothered to do research *before* spending $100 on a keyboard |
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| 23:57.09 | jagginess | kevlarman: could be true.. but you're very wrong about the black switch.. there is feedback with the black switch, but not in the way you think it does |
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| 23:57.26 | kevlarman | jagginess: i meant no tactile feedback |
| 23:57.45 | jagginess | (http://www.pcworld.com/article/242037/mechanical_keyboard_faq_pick_the_right_switch.html ) |
| 23:58.08 | jagginess | cherry mx black " These switches also require more force to actuate the keys than MX Brown and MX Blue switches do. " |
| 23:58.14 | jagginess | ^ definitely not what i need.. |
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| 23:59.07 | kevlarman | jagginess: honestly all of them are *much* softer than rubber domes |
| 23:59.21 | kevlarman | the brown switches i use feel a bit soft for my taste |
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