| 00:00.11 | jagginess | this clown here can think he can show tactile feedback through video.. lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzX0MnVzEAU |
| 00:01.40 | jagginess | kevlarman: you didnt get me right.. |
| 00:02.57 | jagginess | kevlarman: I intended to buy a red mx switch keyboard from a buyer.. but the label of red wasnt there- However a side-seller was selling the same color keyboard stating 'red' mx .. so i thought this model was of one color code.. I do my research too before buying. |
| 00:03.16 | jagginess | thks for helping everyone |
| 00:03.24 | jagginess | gonna get this replaced.. |
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| 00:07.59 | echo083 | which on should i use update-grub or update-grub2 ? |
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| 00:08.50 | echo083 | i'm using debian squeeze |
| 00:08.55 | JJCale | what version of grub do you have? |
| 00:08.59 | JJCale | hum |
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| 00:09.15 | echo083 | JJCale, how do i check that ? |
| 00:09.39 | echo083 | JJCale, i tried both command and my grub menu appear in both cases but i'd like to use the i should use you see |
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| 00:09.48 | engla | echo083: aren't they the same thing? |
| 00:09.49 | JJCale | aptitude search ~i~ngrub |
| 00:10.22 | echo083 | engla, it is what i was wondering but it is two different executable, one is not linked to the other by a symlink |
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| 00:10.38 | engla | oh |
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| 00:11.14 | echo083 | JJCale, grub-pc and in the description it is written version 2 :) |
| 00:11.20 | echo083 | JJCale, i'll use update-grub2 |
| 00:11.53 | echo083 | JJCale, thanks |
| 00:11.54 | JJCale | do you have grub2 installed? |
| 00:11.56 | z28 | echo083: what does, aptitude show grub-pc say |
| 00:12.34 | echo083 | JJCale, grub-pc is installed and in the description of the command you gave it is written grub2 |
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| 00:12.41 | echo083 | JJCale, version 2 sorry |
| 00:13.12 | JJCale | ok |
| 00:13.16 | JJCale | run update-grub2 |
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| 00:14.45 | echo083 | z28, version 1.98 that's interesting |
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| 00:15.12 | z28 | echo083: it's confusing, isn't it. |
| 00:15.29 | echo083 | z28, but int the description line it is written Grand Unified Boot Loader version 2 |
| 00:15.50 | echo083 | z28, yes very confusing and update-grub update-grub2 work |
| 00:16.14 | echo083 | z28,i don't the history of what happened with grub |
| 00:16.19 | echo083 | z28, don't know* |
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| 00:16.55 | echo083 | z28, maybe a pre release once they were sure it is stable they would have give it the version 2.XX |
| 00:17.14 | JJCale | man update-grub |
| 00:17.19 | JJCale | man update-grub2 |
| 00:17.55 | JJCale | it's all very clear |
| 00:18.19 | echo083 | JJCale, how to search text in the console after opening a man page ? |
| 00:18.56 | inspira | hall |
| 00:18.57 | JJCale | with / |
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| 00:19.16 | JJCale | /democracy |
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| 00:19.46 | echo083 | JJCale, when i search something not in the man page it just closes it |
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| 00:20.59 | JJCale | "pattern not found" |
| 00:21.12 | JJCale | that's what I see here when the pattern is not found |
| 00:21.25 | JJCale | it should not close the man page |
| 00:21.44 | echo083 | JJCale, and when i reach the bottom of the man page it closes it that's strange :( |
| 00:22.01 | JJCale | echo083: No surprise you could'n find democracy. the same happens to me all time |
| 00:22.27 | echo083 | JJCale, i'll google to understand what's going on |
| 00:22.36 | echo083 | JJCale, never politic in man pages ! |
| 00:23.34 | JJCale | echo083: you use n and N to go to next occurence... |
| 00:24.00 | JJCale | or previous... |
| 00:24.08 | JJCale | n = next |
| 00:24.13 | JJCale | N = previous |
| 00:24.13 | echo083 | JJCale, yes but i don't understand what's going on when i do "man update-grub" it shows the man page as a textfile |
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| 00:24.39 | JJCale | echo083: ofcourse the man page is a text file |
| 00:24.41 | echo083 | JJCale, i remember i selected no during the installation process |
| 00:25.01 | JJCale | echo083: what else should it be? |
| 00:25.15 | echo083 | JJCale, okkk but it was opened like if it was open with vim and pressing q was necessary to get out the man page |
| 00:25.45 | JJCale | echo083: that's entirely correct |
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| 00:26.33 | echo083 | JJCale, i don't get it how was default behavior was disabled |
| 00:27.14 | JJCale | echo083: what default behaviour? |
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| 00:27.39 | echo083 | JJCale, leaving the man file open will reading it even if the end of the file is reached |
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| 00:27.49 | echo083 | JJCale, you know i'll find a solution for that alone |
| 00:27.55 | echo083 | JJCale, have a good day thanks |
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| 00:34.47 | n1md4 | I keep losing alsa settings on boot (mute) alasctl init restores it, but how can it work on boot? |
| 00:35.07 | dvs | alsactl store |
| 00:35.25 | n1md4 | dvs: tried that as well :/ |
| 00:35.42 | GoogIe | Hi! I cant find... |
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| 00:36.57 | Cenzino | sera |
| 00:37.20 | initself | how do i download netinst.iso from a mirror? |
| 00:37.30 | initself | the mirror automatically selected for me is terribly slow |
| 00:38.20 | allorder | initself: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 00:38.47 | initself | i browsed in there and couldn't find it |
| 00:38.53 | initself | tries again. |
| 00:39.20 | dvs | initself: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 00:39.54 | initself | dvs++ |
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| 00:41.16 | initself | now we're talkin! |
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| 00:45.57 | n1md4 | putting alsactl init in rc.local didn't do anything either! |
| 00:46.11 | acu | hey guys - I am trying to install debian wheezy amd64 in an intel i7 HP laptop - and it installs fine, but when I reboot, I do not get the gdm running - I enabled the non-free repos, and install non-free firmware - I am in cli, and at last the eth0 is up, so I have network access and cli, but no gnome or kde - can anyone help me fix it ?> -- by the way, after I installed wheezy in this laptop and I could not go in gnome, I took the hard d |
| 00:46.12 | acu | isk after installation into another laptop and it works (with gdm and gnome fine). In addition, I installed into this laptop (on another hard disk) fedora 17 and it runs fine, so it is something definitely something in wheezy which needs to be addressed, I just do not know what - after updating non-free and everything the boot hangs ad Bat LUN Bad target number (from 1 to 7:0) any hints ? |
| 00:48.12 | n1md4 | acu: what happens when you type "/etc/init.d/gdm3 start" ? |
| 00:49.01 | zykotick9 | issue mounting nfs on boot with fstab, boots successfully - but i need to run "mount -a" to actually get the NFS (from fstab) shares to mount? |
| 00:49.23 | dvs | n1md4: aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 00:49.24 | acu | nlmd4: I just reinstalled everything and install kde instead of gdm, now I cannot go in cli at all - it hangs at INIT: version 2.88 booting |
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| 00:50.02 | n1md4 | I'd install squeeze and then upgrade to testing ... personally. |
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| 00:51.03 | n1md4 | dvs: it already is |
| 00:51.14 | n1md4 | I miss alsa-conf, that just worked :( |
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| 00:53.08 | quebre | hello |
| 00:53.34 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.34 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.34 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:53.45 | quebre | i cannot find it, i looked everywhere |
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| 00:54.05 | quebre | can someone tell me what package i need to install to have these libraries ? |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | quebre: apt-cache search SDL ttf ? |
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| 00:55.17 | quebre | thanks.. |
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| 00:57.19 | acu | n1md4, I am going for sid - though i wanted really wheezy, hopefully it works |
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| 01:09.19 | wingnut2626 | How do I start ssh server? |
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| 01:09.35 | ilius | wingnut2626: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 01:09.37 | bardzusny | install openssh-server package |
| 01:09.45 | bardzusny | and what ilius said |
| 01:09.57 | bardzusny | (even though it should start automatically by default) |
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| 01:10.19 | wingnut2626 | Then how do I know what address to login to from other terminals? |
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| 01:10.56 | ilius | wingnut2626: how other terminals are connected? |
| 01:11.29 | wingnut2626 | I need to know what the address is for remote login |
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| 01:11.40 | calrogman | wingnut2626: `curl ifconfig.me/host' |
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| 01:12.40 | bardzusny | just run ifconfig as root, it will show your ip |
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| 01:12.55 | bardzusny | curl isn't installed by default |
| 01:13.13 | nezZario | checkip.dyndns.org |
| 01:13.26 | nezZario | if you need your public IP |
| 01:13.49 | calrogman | `wget --quiet ifconfig.me/host -O -' then. |
| 01:14.12 | calrogman | bardzusny: ifconfig won't help if he's behind a NAT. |
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| 01:15.45 | wingnut2626 | So I ran that command and its telling me that it can't locate the host key |
| 01:16.06 | calrogman | Copy and paste the error, don't paraphrase. |
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| 01:29.29 | mrdeb | hi, can someone help with fonts |
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| 01:30.19 | calrogman | !ask |
| 01:30.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:30.52 | mrdeb | ok |
| 01:31.02 | mrdeb | pls tell me how to change fixed width font in whole system, not menus |
| 01:31.11 | mrdeb | in lxde |
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| 01:32.47 | calrogman | mrdeb: lxappearance, obconf |
| 01:33.01 | mrdeb | no, that doesnt do it |
| 01:33.09 | mrdeb | not fixed width |
| 01:33.46 | mrdeb | need to change fixed width so other things conform |
| 01:33.51 | mrdeb | like notification ubble |
| 01:34.08 | mrdeb | from monospace 12 to terminus |
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| 01:35.47 | mrdeb | pls help with this |
| 01:36.17 | popoi | à êîãäà áûë ðåëèç ïîñëåäíåé ñòàáèëüíîé âåðñèè? |
| 01:36.53 | acu | hey guys - do you think there is any chance that debian wheezy to be released with kernel 3.3.8 ( which is EOL) ? |
| 01:37.36 | popoi | d't knw |
| 01:38.14 | acu | I forgot, usually after freezing, is the kernel upgraded ? |
| 01:38.20 | ilius | mrdeb: gnome has that, i'm not sure about lxde |
| 01:38.54 | calrogman | mrdeb: Read this, specifically the bit about "Replace fonts" section https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration |
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| 01:39.07 | calrogman | Also, read the fonts-conf man page. |
| 01:39.22 | mrdeb | ilius: yes i know gnome does it, but not lxde. i need to know files |
| 01:39.22 | mrdeb | ok calro |
| 01:39.28 | popoi | what kind of debian to chois for web server (php, apache, mysql, node.js) ? |
| 01:40.25 | calrogman | popoi: Server = Stable. Always. |
| 01:40.26 | craigevil | acu, wheezy is supposed to release with 3.2 |
| 01:40.36 | dvs | acu: no |
| 01:40.56 | popoi | last stable now ? |
| 01:41.15 | mrdeb | calro, where do u put that replace font part, what file |
| 01:41.26 | mrdeb | i dont understand |
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| 01:42.29 | acu | craigevil and dvs - thanks |
| 01:43.02 | calrogman | mrdeb: Put this in ~/.fonts.conf: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P2X160LV |
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| 01:43.30 | mrdeb | ok i did that and it didnt work. it still shows in monospace |
| 01:44.02 | calrogman | Did you restart X? |
| 01:44.13 | mrdeb | idk let me try |
| 01:45.40 | acu | just wondered, I usually use AMD cpus and computers, I just got an i7 Intel Dv7 hp laptop and it hangs with debian, initially even the eth0 was not working, but I cannot make it go to gnome or kde - I tried everything - and after I enalbe non-free and installed fimrware non-free it freezes during boot - I even upgraded to sid and is the same - however this laptop runs seamlessly with fedora17 (I just installed it to try to see whether the |
| 01:45.41 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.01 | mrdeb | i will restart ok |
| 01:46.11 | popoi | where I can read about last stable debian, and future relise? |
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| 01:46.42 | acu | !wheezy |
| 01:46.43 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 01:47.43 | popoi | wheezy = stable ? |
| 01:47.48 | acu | no |
| 01:47.55 | acu | !squeeze |
| 01:47.55 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.5>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 01:52.40 | bardzusny | acu: what's the gpu? |
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| 01:53.11 | calrogman | bastidrazor: Doesn't matter, server. |
| 01:53.41 | ilius | i used this apt line: deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian import |
| 01:53.41 | ilius | how can i add pgp key now? |
| 01:53.46 | calrogman | Oh, nevermind, got a conversation mixed up. |
| 01:53.47 | popoi | how mach currently active-network-connection can handles the squeeze ? |
| 01:54.41 | popoi | debian for web-service is free$ ? |
| 01:55.55 | calrogman | ilius: Ask irc.spotchat.org#linuxmint-help |
| 01:55.56 | acu | what do you mean for web service ? popoi ? |
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| 01:57.52 | popoi | web-server |
| 01:58.15 | popoi | web server for site.com ? |
| 01:58.48 | sney | popoi: is there a question in there somewhere? |
| 01:59.50 | acu | popoi: debian has 29000 packages (for destop and server applications) that includes apache httpd web server - -all 29000 are free |
| 01:59.53 | popoi | i dont understand it (very poor english) |
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| 02:00.15 | popoi | acu: thx |
| 02:00.16 | sney | popoi: what is your native language |
| 02:00.26 | popoi | RU |
| 02:00.34 | dvs | da |
| 02:00.43 | sney | there is #debian-russian |
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| 02:01.41 | popoi | #debian-russian |
| 02:01.48 | calrogman | !russian |
| 02:01.49 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 02:01.57 | sney | type /join #debian-russian |
| 02:02.12 | popoi | join #debian-russian |
| 02:02.18 | sney | with / |
| 02:02.26 | popoi | thx |
| 02:02.54 | sney | np |
| 02:03.21 | acu | popoi http://www.debian.org/index.ru.html |
| 02:03.29 | acu | click on that link |
| 02:03.40 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.05 | acu | everything what debian packages is free as in freedom and free as in free beer |
| 02:04.19 | popoi | i'll try |
| 02:04.26 | popoi | or three |
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| 02:05.07 | acu | it is kind of krasnii :) |
| 02:05.53 | popoi | jeltii skoree |
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| 02:06.46 | stew | debian certainly packages non-free stuff, its just not part of debian proper, but put into the non-free repositories (which are not officially part of debian) |
| 02:09.11 | popoi | when can we expect the next stable release? |
| 02:09.24 | stew | popoi: probably either 2012 or 2013 |
| 02:09.59 | sney | !wwwr |
| 02:10.00 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy will be frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. |
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| 02:12.27 | peterrooney | wheezy pool 1 |
| 02:12.30 | peterrooney | dpkg: wheezy pool 1 |
| 02:12.31 | dpkg | ! comps=2013-02-20 ml|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
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| 02:13.23 | simonlnu | looks like most of us in the pool lost ;) |
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| 02:14.03 | popoi | whether it's possible to upgrade from the previous to the last stable version, so that the web server software is fully operational? |
| 02:15.32 | calrogman | It's possible to cleanly upgrade from oldstable to stable, yes. |
| 02:15.39 | simonlnu | of course |
| 02:15.40 | sney | but make sure you read the instructions! |
| 02:15.52 | sney | lenny->squeeze was a little messy. |
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| 02:20.00 | abrotman | simonlnu: i'm still in it! |
| 02:20.18 | mrdeb | hi |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | simonlnu: you didn't lose yet |
| 02:20.22 | sney | hi |
| 02:20.31 | mrdeb | it didnt work |
| 02:20.45 | mrdeb | pls help with systemwide font change not just user |
| 02:21.03 | simonlnu | we'll see ;) |
| 02:21.39 | popoi | Debian-HURD is more fast that Debian-linux ? |
| 02:22.19 | simonlnu | it's different. and it's Debian GNU/Linux and Debian GNU/Hurd, FYI. |
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| 02:22.32 | simonlnu | (if you wanna use the official names) |
| 02:22.37 | mrdeb | huh |
| 02:22.44 | sney | there is also Debian/kFreeBSD, for completists |
| 02:22.57 | sney | mrdeb: systemwide font change where? |
| 02:23.29 | simonlnu | mrdeb: for what? what do you want to do exactly? |
| 02:23.37 | calrogman | It's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, sney ;-) |
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| 02:23.53 | sney | argh, that's what I get for trying to multitask |
| 02:23.55 | mrdeb | yes sney. i want to change monospace to terminus so lxde shows that font nicely bec obconf and lxappear do not chagne this |
| 02:24.16 | mrdeb | in gnome 2, it is last font option chagne but no option in lxde |
| 02:24.20 | mrdeb | fixed width system font |
| 02:24.22 | simonlnu | you don't have to do that system-wide |
| 02:24.27 | popoi | HURD and kFreeBSD can uses for web-server most fast or not ? |
| 02:24.59 | mrdeb | i need it for notify bubbles and also in gdm for the action popup window to be like that and some ohter programs |
| 02:24.59 | sney | HURD, no. kFreeBSD, yes, but Debian GNU/Linux is the most popular operating system in the world for web servers |
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| 02:25.12 | mrdeb | where can u change monospace to terminus |
| 02:25.33 | stew | popoi: you would certainly not want to use HURD for a production web server |
| 02:25.53 | karlpinc | popoi: Best to go with what's widely used when you want something that is supposed to work. |
| 02:25.53 | mrdeb | is debian 7 using gnome 3 |
| 02:26.24 | stew | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 02:26.25 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; sid: 3.4.2.1-1; wheezy: 3.4.2.1-1 |
| 02:26.32 | seeker61 | is squeeze the latest release |
| 02:26.56 | sney | seeker61: latest stable release |
| 02:27.10 | popoi | Is not freebsd most popular web server for? |
| 02:27.21 | mrdeb | yes debian 6 is latest stable |
| 02:27.21 | seeker61 | sney: thank you |
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| 02:27.29 | karlpinc | mrdeb: Yes. Although it also has a fork of gnome 2. I forget what the fork is called. And no one knows if it will last. |
| 02:27.30 | stew | popoi: freebsd is not at all popular |
| 02:27.51 | sney | karlpinc: oh, did cinnamon or mate get accepted? I saw RFPs but I didn't know they actually got in |
| 02:28.07 | karlpinc | popoi: freebsd is not popular as a debian kernel -- as a whole OS there's a big community. |
| 02:28.11 | mrdeb | ok karl, well ppl do not like gnome 3 bec it is for tablets and lacks features like gnome 2, so i am looking at cinnamon or mate, but do not know them |
| 02:28.20 | seeker61 | i have a 486 and a 686 option at boot how do i get rid of the 484 |
| 02:28.26 | seeker61 | 486 |
| 02:28.26 | mrdeb | i see linux mint has cinnamon |
| 02:28.47 | karlpinc | sney: I swear mate did. However, now that you mention it I don't know why I have that impression. Something said here probably. |
| 02:29.01 | calrogman | stew: Oh, dem's fighting words. |
| 02:29.23 | calrogman | seeker61: Uninstall the 486 kernel. |
| 02:29.32 | karlpinc | seeker61: You aptitude remove the kernel package. |
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| 02:29.55 | karlpinc | seeker61: To find the kernel package "aptitude search '~ilinux-image'. |
| 02:30.05 | seeker61 | calrogman: thanks guys that will not affect the 686? |
| 02:30.22 | popoi | how to know whether the software is compatible with Debian is NODE.js ? |
| 02:30.28 | karlpinc | seeker61: Actually, "aptitude purge" would be better than remove (kernels need purging to remove the actual kernel image.) |
| 02:30.36 | calrogman | seeker61: Nope, not in the slightest. |
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| 02:30.55 | karlpinc | seeker61: But I like having a 486 kernel around on the off chance that I'm going to have to move the disk to a 486 box. Crazy, eh? :) |
| 02:31.13 | seeker61 | calrogman: what is the package name? aptitude purge XXXXXXX |
| 02:31.26 | karlpinc | seeker61: Search for what's installed, per above. |
| 02:32.26 | karlpinc | sney: The <mate> factoid has no indication that mate is in debian, so I'm probably wrong and it isn't. |
| 02:32.53 | sney | karlpinc: aye. one or both might make it in for debian 8, assuming they don't get abandoned upstream. |
| 02:33.29 | stew | i doubt there is anywhere near enough people volunteering to do the work for that to happen |
| 02:34.06 | seeker61 | karlpinc: i see that it purges the nvidia kernel is that ok? |
| 02:34.07 | calrogman | stew: If somebody wants it badly, it'll get in eventually. |
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| 02:34.25 | stew | calrogman: no, if a dozen or so somebodies |
| 02:34.42 | stew | and if the security team thinks it is ok |
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| 02:35.11 | popoi | Whether installed on Debian NODE.js? |
| 02:36.23 | seeker61 | calrogman: will my video be affected by this purge? |
| 02:39.16 | calrogman | seeker61: No idea, Intel GMA 4lyfe. |
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| 02:40.05 | seeker61 | calrogman: rebooting now so we will see. thanks |
| 02:40.19 | dvs | sucker! ;-P |
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| 02:45.11 | seeker61 | calrogman; yea it worked. i remember i was trying to fix the following issue when i loaded the nvidia kernel. When i boot into box and screen comes on it is about a 1/4 inch lower that should be. i reset resolution to 800X600 and then tell it to go back to previous resolution and the screen is fine. any ideas? as to why this is happening |
| 02:47.02 | calrogman | Wonky EDID from the sounds of it. |
| 02:47.27 | seeker61 | calrogman: what is a EDID |
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| 02:47.38 | calrogman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID |
| 02:47.43 | gary1 | hey ineed to ask a grub2 question |
| 02:47.51 | popoi | !EDID |
| 02:47.52 | dpkg | methinks edid is Extended Display Identification Data. you can modify the edid mode if you have problem with the res in X windows, because some monitors are known to lie about their capabilities, sometimes your screen can't use a higher resulution than e.g. 1024x768 in X windows, but there's a solution to this, by using 'Option' "IgnoreEDID" "1" in the section "Screen" in the XF86Config-4 file, note - this wont make your monitor able to use higher ... |
| 02:48.23 | popoi | !NODE.js |
| 02:48.23 | dpkg | node.js is probably an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine. Currently in sid and experimental only, see http://bugs.debian.org/611698 |
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| 02:49.05 | calrogman | I had no idea the bot could do that... |
| 02:49.17 | calrogman | gary1 |
| 02:49.18 | calrogman | !ask |
| 02:49.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:50.46 | Onixs | is there a guide on how to configure wireless card to function as client-bridge using cli |
| 02:51.11 | calrogman | Onixs: define "client-bridge". |
| 02:52.08 | seeker61 | dpkg: is the XF86Config-4 file in /etc? |
| 02:52.10 | dpkg | seeker61: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:52.28 | Onixs | hi calrogman : wireless card will connect to my router , and also act as an AP |
| 02:52.41 | calrogman | Not possible. |
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| 02:52.50 | gary-debian-box | hello people |
| 02:53.01 | calrogman | For that the card would need to be in both Managed and Master modes. |
| 02:53.03 | gary-debian-box | i need a little help with grub2 |
| 02:53.10 | calrogman | !ask |
| 02:53.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:53.16 | Onixs | did i say it right, client-brisdge, or its called repeater? |
| 02:53.48 | acu | I am trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy - I installed the base, and enable the non-free contrib repos - I want now to install either kde or gnome - if I do apt-get install kde-full it will install kdm and xorg ? |
| 02:54.18 | gary-debian-box | ok grub2 uses framebuffer ye.. so i want to use resolution @ 1680x1050 (22" wide screen) ok now i done alot of researching and i figured how to change it by doing gfxpayload=1680x150 |
| 02:54.40 | gary-debian-box | but it gives me only 1600x1050 and its all messed up and i'm doing this in virtualbox |
| 02:54.43 | gary-debian-box | any idea ? |
| 02:55.40 | stew | acu: it would install kdm but i don't think it would install xorg |
| 02:55.56 | gary-debian-box | and my login manager is tty i dont like DM |
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| 02:56.44 | gary-debian-box | any idea how to get the extact resolution in grub2 so when i put my debian workstation in fullscreen it should display the gfxpayload to the resolution i set it up to |
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| 02:56.57 | gary-debian-box | but it doesnt |
| 02:57.04 | acu | stew: it seem that it pulls xorg too, however I did not install firmware non-free - I hope it will still work |
| 02:57.07 | gary-debian-box | gah debian is a pain in the ass |
| 02:57.19 | gary-debian-box | like in arch linux i don't have that issue |
| 02:57.38 | gary-debian-box | why can anybody not help me :( |
| 02:58.05 | gary-debian-box | i hate grub2 |
| 02:58.13 | acu | gary-debian-box, because rarely someone cares about GRUB resolution |
| 02:58.13 | gary-debian-box | anyways whatever fuck this shit |
| 02:58.22 | gary-debian-box | well |
| 02:58.27 | gary-debian-box | for me it sucks man |
| 02:58.39 | gary-debian-box | because the resolution of my tty console |
| 02:58.41 | acu | why do you want that resolution ? |
| 02:58.45 | gary-debian-box | when i load up in xorg with any WM |
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| 02:58.54 | gary-debian-box | it stays to that bad resolution |
| 02:59.14 | gary-debian-box | because i want my console |
| 02:59.19 | gary-debian-box | i dont always use x |
| 02:59.25 | gary-debian-box | i like linux |
| 02:59.29 | gary-debian-box | tty console |
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| 03:00.28 | gary-debian-box | i dont mind if its 1280x1024 for a console but i want my xorg at least load up to its full display |
| 03:00.36 | gary-debian-box | but it stays the same res as my console |
| 03:00.38 | gary-debian-box | u get what i mean |
| 03:00.48 | gary-debian-box | if it would change while i login X |
| 03:00.53 | gary-debian-box | i wouldn't care |
| 03:01.11 | calrogman | Can you write in full sentences, or is your speech always fragmented like that? Anyway, your X is badly configured. Read xorg.conf(5) and pay attention to the bit under "MONITOR SECTION" that describes Modelines. |
| 03:01.37 | acu | gary-debian-box, you do not need to press enter after each word, let your sentence flow. Ask your question again, more fluently, I still do not understand what do you want ? |
| 03:01.50 | gary-debian-box | hmm i wish company would support linux and give us support and drivers |
| 03:02.07 | gary-debian-box | ok ok people that is not the case here about me pressing enter and blah blah |
| 03:02.10 | gary-debian-box | stop bitching |
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| 03:02.19 | gary-debian-box | the fact is i need some help if u can't help me just say so |
| 03:02.20 | acu | gary-debian-box, there are many companies giving your tech support |
| 03:02.41 | gary-debian-box | whatever man fuck u ubuntu fags |
| 03:02.57 | dvs | !next |
| 03:02.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 03:03.11 | calrogman | !beer dvs |
| 03:03.11 | dpkg | pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for dvs |
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| 03:05.54 | acu | what is the stage of samba4 in debian, is it going to make it in wheezy ? |
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| 03:06.26 | craigevil | ,versions samba4 |
| 03:06.27 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-1 |
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| 03:07.20 | calrogman | Unlikely, but stranger things have happened. |
| 03:07.56 | stew | !why is samba4 not in testing |
| 03:07.57 | dpkg | samba4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=samba4 |
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| 03:09.45 | stew | i don't see why it woulnd't |
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| 03:10.10 | ilius | i have problem connecting to my wireless router using wicd-gtk, i can connect via cable, but when I try to connect via wifi, i get Bad Password, while password is correct (i even copy and paste from router's web panel), and algorithm is WPA 1/2 in both side, i previously had this problem and it solved by changing SSID, but this time i changed SSID many time, and still get bad password, any ideas? |
| 03:10.30 | acu | I wonder how can you integrate in an active directory environment without samba4 |
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| 03:11.36 | ilius | acu: ldap != samba, what do you mean? |
| 03:12.09 | bardzusny | ilius: many variables...have you tried connecting to wifi the /etc/network/interfaces way? |
| 03:12.36 | ilius | bardzusny: no |
| 03:12.53 | ilius | bardzusny: i connected also by networkmanager |
| 03:13.01 | ilius | but i prefer wicd |
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| 03:13.09 | bardzusny | I prefer wicd too |
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| 03:13.42 | ilius | you know where does it cache devices? |
| 03:13.45 | acu | ilius you mean samba = ldap ? |
| 03:13.53 | ilius | with their Properties |
| 03:14.16 | ilius | bardzusny: its not in ~/.wicd, should be in /etc/wicd/ right? |
| 03:14.29 | bardzusny | it's /etc/wicd/ or something similar |
| 03:14.36 | bardzusny | yes, it's /etc/wicd/ |
| 03:15.05 | ilius | found it |
| 03:15.21 | ilius | i gonna delete that part and try again |
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| 03:19.15 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:20.23 | stew | acu: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 03:21.38 | acu | stew: it is so weird, if I do kdm start I am still in cli, no kde starts |
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| 03:22.17 | acu | it tells kdm is already running |
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| 03:24.08 | acu | I added non-free to wheezy, should I update or dist-upgrade |
| 03:24.25 | ilius | the same |
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| 03:25.07 | ilius | cleared wireless-settings.conf, changed SSID and password... the same |
| 03:25.41 | bardzusny | ilius: try configuring it by /etc/network/interfaces, it will tell whether it's wicd problem |
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| 03:29.07 | ilius | bardzusny: i dont understand it, its "auto lo" now, should i change to "auto wlan0" or add a new line? |
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| 03:29.18 | ilius | and iface below |
| 03:29.24 | bardzusny | add new line |
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| 03:29.43 | init[dot]d | Ok |
| 03:29.49 | bardzusny | 'auto wlan0', 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp', 'wpa-ssid YOURSSID', 'wpa-psk YOURPASSWORD' |
| 03:29.53 | init[dot]d | so this is the 6th install of debian today |
| 03:29.55 | bardzusny | these four lines, most common configuration |
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| 03:30.09 | init[dot]d | can someone direct me to a reliable way to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 03:30.14 | bardzusny | shut down wicd and run ifup wlan0, let's see how it goes |
| 03:30.24 | stew | init[dot]d: follow chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 03:30.57 | stew | acu: is there an "Xorg" process running? |
| 03:31.20 | ilius | bardzusny: and how to connect? /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 03:31.41 | bardzusny | that should work |
| 03:31.49 | acu | stew: let me see |
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| 03:34.48 | acu | i cannot login anymore, I added non-free firmware and not it tells wi whte iwlwifi no suitable firmware fonund - then a bad LUN 0:1 and Bad Tarkget number (up to 7:0 and that is it - it locks there |
| 03:34.56 | acu | CTRL C does nothing |
| 03:35.13 | acu | I am here like the fourth time, perhaps I should give up |
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| 03:35.57 | ilius | bardzusny: No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 03:35.58 | ilius | No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 03:36.36 | bardzusny | any other output? dmesg? |
| 03:36.46 | stew | acu: which firmware package did you install? |
| 03:36.54 | acu | ilius: first of all are you sure that your wifi router works ? Try to connect from another computer with wifi |
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| 03:37.28 | acu | stew: I did linux-firmware-non-free but I went for intelwiimax-firmware and for iwfifi from intel |
| 03:37.32 | bardzusny | acu: not long ago there was someone with recent intel wifi chip, firmware was lacking in debian package |
| 03:37.38 | ilius | acu: yes, it was working last day on another distro (before i install debian) |
| 03:37.50 | stew | acu: i would think firmware-iwlwifi is the package you need |
| 03:38.20 | acu | stew: I install that, but I think that it is what locks me now |
| 03:38.35 | ilius | bardzusny: i pasted whole output as pm |
| 03:39.14 | ilius | and if "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning)." |
| 03:39.14 | ilius | what's the alternative? |
| 03:39.34 | acu | ilius: I am asking if you have now another computer, just try to connect to your wifi router, also make sure that you have no caps lock on when you type your password - yes, you think is trivial, but I have seen it too many times not to make sure you are having this straight |
| 03:39.43 | stew | init[dot]d: /etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 03:39.49 | ilius | acu: no i dont |
| 03:39.56 | stew | err |
| 03:39.58 | bardzusny | ilius: iwlist scan works, of course? |
| 03:40.05 | stew | ilius: obviously that was meant for you, not init[dot]d |
| 03:40.29 | acu | ilius: you can so /sbin/ifconfig and see if wlan0 is up |
| 03:40.39 | ilius | LOL |
| 03:40.43 | acu | you will have some info if is up with regard to ip address |
| 03:42.16 | ilius | acu: wlan0 is not in ifconfig output :-/ |
| 03:42.31 | ilius | i'm confused |
| 03:42.55 | Rusty1 | it is in iwconfig ? |
| 03:43.07 | ilius | Rusty1: yes |
| 03:43.57 | Rusty1 | ifconfig wlan0 up, then ifconfig again |
| 03:44.18 | ilius | now its up |
| 03:44.29 | acu | ilius: if you have no wlan0 or some other number, means that your wifi is not up -either you have no firmware(driver), or is simply not up - you could do ifup wlan0 |
| 03:44.45 | Rusty1 | now : dhclient wlan0 |
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| 03:47.23 | acu | OK, I need help here, stew are you still here, if I boot the grub show me both kernels (the one from squeeze 2,6 whatever and the new one 3.2 whatever, if I choose the 3,2 whatever for boot it locks, if I chose old one, kdm runs and brings up kde, but now I cannot go in the 3,2 at all, any hints > |
| 03:47.59 | ilius | and i tried again with wicd, the same |
| 03:47.59 | ilius | and its dows again! |
| 03:47.59 | ilius | wired |
| 03:47.59 | ilius | what the hell does wicd do |
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| 03:49.40 | ilius | i did "ifconfig wlan0 up" and appeared in ifconfig, tried to connect with wicd and then wlan0 disappeared from ifconfig again |
| 03:49.50 | ilius | what the hell does wicd do |
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| 03:50.49 | lcc | wicd is an ncurses based wifi config right? |
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| 03:51.40 | Rusty1 | its a frontend to the network, is the network encrypted? |
| 03:51.57 | ilius | yes |
| 03:52.06 | ilius | WPA2 |
| 03:52.28 | Rusty1 | all the correct info in wicd, key etc? |
| 03:52.36 | ilius | and i get Bad Password in wicd while password in correct |
| 03:52.41 | ilius | yes |
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| 03:54.12 | Rusty1 | tern off the encrytion on the router and try connecting |
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| 03:55.55 | ilius1 | oh and i cant connect using network manager either, it says "device not managed" |
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| 03:56.48 | ilius1 | this is my ifconfig output |
| 03:56.49 | ilius1 | http://dpaste.org/iiqOX/ |
| 03:57.05 | ilius1 | i dont know what is the wlan0:avahi one |
| 03:57.11 | OldParr | how can i reset iceweasel's configuration ? |
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| 03:57.44 | ilius1 | OldParr: remove ~/.mozilla/firefox |
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| 03:58.42 | ilius1 | if wlan0 is in ifconfig, can I be sure that the driver is installed properly? |
| 03:58.55 | Rusty1 | yes |
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| 04:00.18 | Rusty1 | ive seen the wlan0;avahi before but cant remeber what i did |
| 04:00.38 | init[dot]d | now fresh install of lenny |
| 04:00.51 | init[dot]d | wish me luck |
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| 04:01.51 | Rusty1 | try: ifconfig wlan0:avahi down then dhclient wlan0 |
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| 04:02.38 | lcc | do debian repos contain only free software? unless it's the non-free repo of course? |
| 04:02.50 | lcc | free/opensource/libre |
| 04:03.09 | OldParr | ilius1: i had installed cookie monster in iceweasel, when i erase /home/user/.mozilla/firefox does it wil not work anymore? |
| 04:03.25 | stew | lcc: yes |
| 04:03.27 | OldParr | i mean cookie monster |
| 04:03.34 | lcc | awesome |
| 04:03.36 | stew | acu: so use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:04.41 | metaphysician | init[dot]d: why still on Lenny? |
| 04:08.34 | bardzusny | Etch-a-sketch...good times |
| 04:09.17 | ilius1 | OldParr: do it wont, but you probably dont have to erase the complete folder for that |
| 04:10.07 | ilius1 | OldParr: you should be able to find the folder of that extention |
| 04:10.44 | ilius1 | OldParr: something like home/user/.mozilla/firefox/[SOMETHING].default/CookieMonster |
| 04:11.32 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:12.03 | init[dot]d | where can I find which sources to use in my list |
| 04:12.15 | init[dot]d | I only have the CD entry since the lenny repos are busted |
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| 04:13.18 | ilius1 | OldParr: is that an extention? |
| 04:13.23 | stew | init[dot]d: you are trying to run lenny? "deb http://archives.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
| 04:13.27 | stew | init[dot]d: but why run lenny? |
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| 04:13.43 | ilius1 | OldParr: you want to remove extention or remove its cookies? |
| 04:14.09 | ilius1 | OldParr: and did you quited firefox before deleting that folder? |
| 04:14.10 | stew | init[dot]d: oops, that should be archive, not archives |
| 04:16.13 | OldParr | ilius1: i want to reset firefoz completely erasing all add ons erasing everything that can be customized |
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| 04:16.28 | OldParr | to leave firefox as new |
| 04:16.37 | OldParr | iceweaSEL |
| 04:16.51 | ilius1 | OldParr: so quit firefox, remove that folder and run it again |
| 04:16.59 | OldParr | thank you |
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| 04:22.07 | init[dot]d | Ok before the huge mess up starts again |
| 04:22.24 | init[dot]d | I get a LOT of errors about NO_PUBKEY how do I get one? |
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| 04:23.12 | init[dot]d | just installed keyring lewts see if it works |
| 04:23.25 | ilius | i switched both side from WPA to WEP, and solved :-D |
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| 04:23.29 | ilius | wired |
| 04:24.03 | ilius | (more wired that wired connection) |
| 04:24.47 | ilius | throws the cable to a corner |
| 04:26.01 | ilius | now i'm officially switched to debian :D |
| 04:26.34 | xubuntu5 | what did you switch from? |
| 04:26.46 | ilius | arch |
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| 04:38.20 | gnarface | ilius: congrads! |
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| 04:43.36 | NoVoteLoss | im looking to switch from a desktop environment to a WM, where in the file system are applications such as terminal, firefox, etc normally at? |
| 04:43.52 | NoVoteLoss | so that i can find them and add them to launchers, menus etc |
| 04:44.07 | gnarface | NoVoteLoss: typically /usr/bin |
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| 04:45.35 | NoVoteLoss | gnarface, perfect thank you |
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| 04:46.12 | gnarface | NoVoteLoss: no problem |
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| 04:47.29 | gulzar | Please help. How to have only icons in KDE-taskbar (without text)? Similar to pclos-kde or much better. |
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| 04:49.09 | init[dot]d | whats the best IRC for debian? |
| 04:49.14 | init[dot]d | xchat? |
| 04:49.49 | gulzar | init[dot]d: for KDE its konversation and for gnome its xchat. And you can try pidgin also |
| 04:50.37 | xubuntu5 | xchat is pretty solid that's what i'm using |
| 04:51.36 | xubuntu5 | check out irssi if you want a cli based irc program |
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| 04:51.43 | init[dot]d | when I installed xchat I cant login anymore it does something to xorg and konversation says broken package |
| 04:51.53 | init[dot]d | irssi is fine on my phone |
| 04:52.13 | stew | !best irc client |
| 04:52.14 | dpkg | [irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:52.49 | Malf | I've been using pidgin fwiw |
| 04:52.56 | init[dot]d | really promoting the irssi here huh |
| 04:53.04 | Malf | I got tired of having more than one chat client open |
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| 04:53.21 | Malf | although empathy may have enough stuff supported now that I could switch over |
| 04:53.26 | Malf | haven't looked into it |
| 04:54.06 | init[dot]d | xchat wants to remove xorg |
| 04:54.10 | xubuntu5 | are there keyboards with a linux key not a windows key?? heh |
| 04:54.15 | init[dot]d | why is that? |
| 04:54.47 | stew | init[dot]d: show us the output of "apt-cache policy xorg xchat" in a pastebin |
| 04:54.50 | gulzar | Malf: empathy is the worst chat client ever made. Many bugs and many problems |
| 04:54.52 | tensorpudding | xubuntu5, yes |
| 04:55.11 | stew | xubuntu5: yes |
| 04:55.13 | init[dot]d | cant its in VM and I cant get any irc to install in the VM due to wierdness |
| 04:55.31 | stew | init[dot]d: cant what? |
| 04:55.42 | tensorpudding | xubuntu5, companies like system76 make laptops with them, i think unicomp still makes ibm model m knockoffs with linux keys |
| 04:55.45 | init[dot]d | I cannot copy from VM and paste in Host OS |
| 04:55.57 | stew | really? |
| 04:56.03 | init[dot]d | yarly |
| 04:56.06 | stew | init[dot]d: why not? |
| 04:56.24 | init[dot]d | the computer didnt answer when I asked the same question |
| 04:56.29 | stew | init[dot]d: can you put it in a file and upload the file? |
| 04:56.35 | init[dot]d | hrm |
| 04:56.37 | xubuntu5 | thanks stew and tensorpudding |
| 04:56.38 | init[dot]d | maybeh |
| 04:56.45 | kulug | hi. when I install debian from usb it cannot auto mount the first usb after installation. but when I mount the first usb or external hdd "/dev/sdb1" then it will auto mount next dev/sdX es. any idea? |
| 04:56.52 | stew | init[dot]d: are you trying to mix lenny and squeeze? |
| 04:56.55 | init[dot]d | no |
| 04:57.00 | init[dot]d | upgrading from lenny |
| 04:57.07 | init[dot]d | 6th try today |
| 04:57.14 | init[dot]d | all previous ones have killed my VM |
| 04:57.22 | stew | init[dot]d: are you following chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes? |
| 04:57.24 | ilius | NoVoteLoss: launchers (graphical icons) are in /usr/share/applications |
| 04:57.34 | xubuntu5 | 6.0.5? |
| 04:57.42 | init[dot]d | yes I am |
| 04:57.51 | ilius | NoVoteLoss: but executable files in /usr/bin usually |
| 04:57.54 | init[dot]d | I got as far as installing the new image and reboot |
| 04:57.59 | stew | init[dot]d: how does installing xchat fit into that procedure? |
| 04:58.04 | init[dot]d | logged in and now continuing on but it fails |
| 04:58.26 | stew | init[dot]d: does it give an error when it fails? |
| 04:58.27 | init[dot]d | stew obviously so I can have a medium to paste errors and then post the link in here |
| 04:58.33 | init[dot]d | no error |
| 04:58.45 | init[dot]d | just either a grey screen, or black screen |
| 04:58.46 | stew | init[dot]d: how do you know it fails? |
| 04:58.53 | init[dot]d | omg rlly |
| 04:58.57 | stew | ? |
| 04:59.14 | NoVoteLoss | thanks for more clarificaiton ilius |
| 04:59.20 | init[dot]d | I know it fails because after half of the upgrade browser crashes and then icons disapeer |
| 04:59.35 | init[dot]d | then xorgh fails on next login |
| 04:59.40 | stew | init[dot]d: what is "upgrade browser"? |
| 04:59.42 | init[dot]d | I assume that would be a failed upgrade |
| 04:59.50 | init[dot]d | rlly? |
| 05:00.04 | stew | init[dot]d: I don't understand the question |
| 05:00.11 | init[dot]d | Obviously |
| 05:00.16 | stew | ? |
| 05:00.59 | stew | init[dot]d: can you rephase this statement? |
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| 05:01.22 | stew | init[dot]d: you are running a browser, and the browser crashes while you are in the middle of the upgrade? |
| 05:01.31 | stew | the upgrade proceeds without errors, and completes? |
| 05:01.40 | stew | there were icons somewhere? (where?) and now there are not? |
| 05:02.20 | init[dot]d | correct |
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| 05:02.54 | stew | init[dot]d: what command were you running? |
| 05:03.01 | stew | init[dot]d: what browser are you running? |
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| 05:03.13 | init[dot]d | http://pastebin.com/gT4x5icC |
| 05:03.21 | init[dot]d | theres the apt-cache output |
| 05:03.35 | init[dot]d | I have a lenny CD k |
| 05:03.42 | init[dot]d | I install a fresh lenny |
| 05:03.51 | stew | why would you install lenny? |
| 05:03.53 | init[dot]d | no added packages or anything just default |
| 05:03.59 | init[dot]d | just hang in there |
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| 05:04.09 | stew | so yeah, the problem is that it is trying to mix lenny with squeeze |
| 05:04.34 | init[dot]d | after lenny is installed I want to upgrade to squeeze a much faster method than downloading squeeze iso and waiting 26 hours |
| 05:04.39 | init[dot]d | Oh |
| 05:04.53 | stew | init[dot]d: what command do you run that crashes your browser? |
| 05:04.54 | init[dot]d | so once lenny is installed you cant upgrade to squeeze? |
| 05:05.03 | stew | init[dot]d: yes, of course you can |
| 05:05.15 | init[dot]d | so then why call it mixing |
| 05:05.19 | init[dot]d | why not upgrading |
| 05:05.19 | stew | init[dot]d: otherwise chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes would be a waste, right? |
| 05:05.30 | stew | init[dot]d: install xchat is not part of the upgrade procedure |
| 05:05.36 | init[dot]d | facepalms |
| 05:05.46 | init[dot]d | so why would I install any IRC |
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| 05:06.07 | init[dot]d | remember to have a meduium to paste errors |
| 05:06.08 | stew | is this supposed to be a metaphorical question? |
| 05:06.28 | stew | init[dot]d: ok, then I didn't understand your question about "so once lenny is installed you cant upgrade to squeeze?" |
| 05:06.58 | stew | init[dot]d: and i call it mixing, because you have lenny xorg installled, and you are trying to install xchat from squeeze |
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| 05:07.06 | stew | init[dot]d: the mix i'm talking about is the lenny and the squeeze |
| 05:07.18 | OldParr | is there any script like font for gimp ? |
| 05:07.26 | stew | you can install xchat from lenny with xorg from lenny or xchat from squeeze with xorg from squeeze |
| 05:07.39 | init[dot]d | no its a question in relevance to the upgrade issues I am having because I told you previously the ONLY reason I am attempting to insdtall any IRC at all is so I can have a medium to paste the link to pastebin outputs of errors I keep getting and post them in here since the VM guest for some unknown reason will not copy and paste to the Host OS |
| 05:08.14 | stew | init[dot]d: what command are you running which crashes your browser? |
| 05:08.25 | init[dot]d | stew now that makes sense in reference to mixing |
| 05:08.33 | init[dot]d | so im just stuck until ? |
| 05:08.47 | stew | i don't understand the question |
| 05:09.04 | init[dot]d | Ok |
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| 05:09.24 | init[dot]d | so if I have lenny (repos non existant) how am I to upgrade since I cant "mix" |
| 05:09.34 | WormFood | are there any tools for debian that will show me a graphical representation of what processes are using the most memory? |
| 05:09.44 | stew | init[dot]d: there is a well documented procedure in chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
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| 05:10.11 | init[dot]d | stew I am aware of that |
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| 05:10.29 | init[dot]d | I get to right after upgrade the image to the newest one then all fails |
| 05:10.29 | stew | init[dot]d: ok, so that is how you are to upgrde |
| 05:10.56 | stew | init[dot]d: what is an example of someting that fails? |
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| 05:11.31 | init[dot]d | stew obviously I cant paste it in here so....... |
| 05:11.45 | init[dot]d | from memory I only remember the first 24 characters |
| 05:11.47 | stew | no, use a pastebin like you did previously |
| 05:11.49 | init[dot]d | then I need to paste |
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| 05:12.07 | stew | yes, you need to paste |
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| 05:12.27 | init[dot]d | wow |
| 05:12.31 | init[dot]d | awesome |
| 05:12.33 | init[dot]d | lol |
| 05:13.07 | stew | you need to help us help you. you won't tell me what actually command you run that causes problems, you need to actually tell us the errors you get, not just "shit crashes" |
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| 05:13.37 | init[dot]d | apt-get update |
| 05:13.40 | init[dot]d | thats the first one |
| 05:13.46 | stew | running that crashes your browser? |
| 05:14.16 | init[dot]d | this is a fresh install the browser has not crashed since I didnt install xchat |
| 05:14.32 | init[dot]d | so the browser crash and all other previous issues are moot at this point |
| 05:14.44 | stew | ugh |
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| 05:15.14 | init[dot]d | I just did apt-get update and I get 313 pckgs to upgrade and 0 to remove 0 to install etc then I say y install and it ask me to install without verification |
| 05:15.16 | stew | 01:01 < stew> init[dot]d: you are running a browser, and the browser crashes while you are in the middle of the upgrade? 01:02 < init[dot]d> correct |
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| 05:15.59 | init[dot]d | so why does the keyring fail? |
| 05:15.59 | stew | init[dot]d: so what is the actual problem? before you said it didn't work and the indication that it didn't work was that your browser crashed |
| 05:16.03 | init[dot]d | so why does the keyring fail? |
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| 05:16.22 | stew | are you just trying to be annoying now? |
| 05:16.34 | stew | init[dot]d: what is the error you are getting? |
| 05:16.34 | Devastator | you need to install debian-keyring first then |
| 05:16.54 | init[dot]d | tried too and get an error let me paste it |
| 05:17.04 | init[dot]d | oh |
| 05:17.08 | init[dot]d | its the same error |
| 05:17.15 | init[dot]d | lol |
| 05:17.40 | Devastator | init[dot]d you are trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, correct? |
| 05:17.55 | init[dot]d | says debian-keyring is the newest version |
| 05:18.04 | init[dot]d | Devastator yessir |
| 05:18.12 | stew | init[dot]d: what makes you think that is an error? |
| 05:18.25 | init[dot]d | le sigh |
| 05:18.39 | Devastator | init[dot]d you already changed your sources.list and ran apt-get update, right? |
| 05:19.02 | haylo | i am really starting to hate crunchbang |
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| 05:19.10 | init[dot]d | perfectly normal to have the latest keyring installed and then on apt-get update get warnings about no_pubkey right |
| 05:19.39 | init[dot]d | Devastator I did but I get the keyring error and try to install keyring and it says its already the newest version |
| 05:19.47 | stew | init[dot]d: what is the "latest keyring"? |
| 05:20.04 | Devastator | stew i think he means squeeze's keyring |
| 05:20.05 | init[dot]d | apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 05:20.11 | init[dot]d | grabbing from squeeze repos |
| 05:20.17 | init[dot]d | yes I do |
| 05:20.18 | stew | init[dot]d: what version of debian-keyring do you have installed? |
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| 05:20.32 | Devastator | ,versions debian-keyring |
| 05:20.33 | judd | Package: debian-keyring on i386 -- lenny: 2009.01.18; squeeze: 2010.12.29; sid: 2012.06.01; wheezy: 2012.06.01 |
| 05:20.45 | init[dot]d | the one that installs when you install from squeeze repos |
| 05:20.48 | init[dot]d | whatever that is |
| 05:21.01 | stew | init[dot]d: can you check what version of debian-keyring you have installed please? |
| 05:21.07 | init[dot]d | howso |
| 05:21.18 | stew | apt-cache policy debian-keyring |
| 05:21.31 | init[dot]d | already did and pasted it a while back |
| 05:21.42 | init[dot]d | http://pastebin.com/gT4x5icC |
| 05:21.43 | stew | that should make it easy then |
| 05:21.56 | stew | init[dot]d: no that's the wrong one |
| 05:22.04 | init[dot]d | oh lol |
| 05:22.09 | init[dot]d | k hold a sec |
| 05:22.21 | stew | init[dot]d: and while you are at it, you could include the ACTUAL ERROR |
| 05:22.58 | Devastator | stew my bet is it's only the keyring error that is bothering him |
| 05:23.01 | init[dot]d | might help huh |
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| 05:23.22 | init[dot]d | Devastator It starts there lol |
| 05:23.39 | sney | Devastator: you haven't seen this guy all day. I'd take that bet. |
| 05:23.54 | stew | Devastator: i'd be bothered too if apt-get update crashed my browser, but didn't actually crash my browser when I didn't have a browser installed and gave me a all black screen that was grey |
| 05:24.11 | init[dot]d | stew enough of the dumbassery |
| 05:24.16 | stew | likewise |
| 05:24.20 | sney | mercy |
| 05:24.21 | init[dot]d | nods |
| 05:24.51 | init[dot]d | I found out the browser issue as well as removing menu items was because I was "mixing" lenny with squeeze |
| 05:24.58 | Devastator | init[dot]d i must say stew is far far better than me with debian, so follow his advices :) |
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| 05:25.18 | init[dot]d | Im sure |
| 05:25.38 | init[dot]d | I just have ADD issues and such and get severely irritated by having to repeat myself |
| 05:25.54 | init[dot]d | but thats a personal issue I dont mean to be dumping it on you guys |
| 05:25.55 | init[dot]d | :( |
| 05:26.25 | metaphysician | what's a "all black screen that is gray"? |
| 05:26.42 | Devastator | basically irony |
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| 05:28.40 | init[dot]d | two different issues |
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| 05:28.55 | init[dot]d | One time I got a black screen on boot that would not load anything |
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| 05:29.05 | init[dot]d | another time I get a grey screen after login |
| 05:29.59 | stew | how on earth were we supposed to guess that from your description |
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| 05:30.11 | stew | init[dot]d: anyway, sorry to irritate you, good luck |
| 05:30.42 | Devastator | is curious and waits for the pastebin |
| 05:30.45 | stew | you are going to need it if you have already given all the info we are supposed to have to fix the issue without you repeating it |
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| 05:31.57 | init[dot]d | http://pastebin.com/vSajt6Tr |
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| 05:32.05 | r15 | hi, |
| 05:32.58 | init[dot]d | so is my keyring wrong? Or is it just something to do with the lenny>squeeze thing? |
| 05:33.05 | r15 | please let me know the installation media to be downloaded for intel i7, 64 bit processor? |
| 05:33.28 | r15 | should i go with amd64? |
| 05:33.35 | metaphysician | r15: yes |
| 05:33.38 | bardzusny | r15: probably yes |
| 05:33.44 | stew | r15: either amd64 or i386. you'd want amd64 if you have 4 gigs of ram or more |
| 05:34.01 | r15 | stew: 6 gb ram, i7 |
| 05:34.16 | Devastator | init[dot]d ok, that's the correct version for squeeze, it might be complaining because you have some packages from lenny and others from squeeze |
| 05:34.20 | r15 | i have few iso's, all those are i386. |
| 05:34.20 | Devastator | just a theory |
| 05:34.45 | init[dot]d | ok |
| 05:35.00 | r15 | what if i use i386 installation media for new intel i7/ 6gb ram? |
| 05:35.01 | init[dot]d | so just do the long upgrade string the bot suggests now? |
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| 05:36.15 | craigevil | r15, you would be better off installing amd64, just download the netinstall iso |
| 05:37.42 | init[dot]d | is there a way to pause the process of upgrading hen it hits an error so I can paste em? |
| 05:38.52 | stew | init[dot]d: you can just get them out of the typescript with an editor |
| 05:39.07 | r15 | basically I want to use all capacity of my new laptop, i had 32bit laptop earlier, so i only have i386 installation media with me.. about to install linux on new laptop. |
| 05:39.16 | r15 | sorry. |
| 05:39.56 | r15 | ok, so now so on i should go with amd64 iso images? |
| 05:40.06 | init[dot]d | k |
| 05:40.22 | stew | init[dot]d: that's the whole point of you running the "script" command |
| 05:41.24 | r15 | ok, thanks. going to download amd64 netinstall (however my internet is very slow) |
| 05:41.30 | r15 | thanks everyone. |
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| 05:42.40 | r15 | one more thing, would the first installation media give me basic setup for laptop? |
| 05:43.01 | r15 | and then later on i use tasksel/apt-get etc to keep installing as per requirement? |
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| 05:43.34 | stew | r15: tasksel is one of the steps in the installer, there will be a laptop task you can select |
| 05:45.07 | r15 | stew: ok, I am going to download debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 06:00.12 | initself | Are GUID partition tables standard in squeeze? |
| 06:00.17 | penrod | greetings: anybody still up ? |
| 06:00.24 | initself | if so, why can't I apt-get gdisk? |
| 06:00.27 | magn3ts | I apologize if this is a "dumb question" but I've tried a variety of things without success. I would like to "properly" configure things such that I don't need to manually run "sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && sudo dhclient wlan0". |
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| 06:05.50 | init[dot]d | Devastator so turns out the whole issue was self inflicted, once I got the keyring warnings I wanted to install an IRC so I could paste the errors and installing xchat removed a LOT of system nedded files and that messed up the whole deal |
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| 06:06.04 | init[dot]d | continuing on with the upgrade and everything is going fine |
| 06:06.12 | initself | libicu44 is what i needed |
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| 06:24.09 | gyaresu | magn3ts: Have you read this? http://wiki.debian.org/WPA#Why.3F |
| 06:24.29 | magn3ts | yeah, I read that and the Wifi HowTo |
| 06:24.50 | magn3ts | I got it working, but it took a while to find the right set of lines in /e/n/interfaces |
| 06:24.52 | magn3ts | thanks though :) |
| 06:25.09 | gyaresu | magn3ts: Cool. So it's working now? |
| 06:25.25 | magn3ts | Yup, rebooted and was able to ssh into the wifi on my Raspberry PI :) |
| 06:25.30 | gyaresu | sweet |
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| 08:16.12 | Ormie | Hello |
| 08:17.45 | Ormie | I need some help, I am installing debian and I am an experienced linux user. I came to the choice about seperating partition of / and /home and other directory. What should i choose? Should I seperate the partition for each linux dir or all in one partition? |
| 08:18.09 | homes | you're not experienced, it would seem |
| 08:18.24 | petemc | some people prefer to keep home seperate, i use all in one partition mostly |
| 08:18.30 | homes | i'll give you the easiest arbitrary answer: use one |
| 08:18.31 | petemc | homes: thats not very helpful |
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| 08:19.01 | Ormie | homes, I am. But when i install other linux distro, it doesn't ask. o.o |
| 08:19.20 | Ormie | ok |
| 08:19.22 | Ormie | thanks |
| 08:21.35 | Ormie | my first debian install :) |
| 08:21.38 | homes | i prefer to use LVM over dmcrypt for / [using sda2], sda1 as /boot, after booting into the OS at some point i'll create a second dmcrypt volume with LVM on sda3 for /home, |
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| 08:23.17 | homes | petemc: it might save some confusion later on if they drop that particular fact, though |
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| 08:27.31 | Ormie | dpkg, BOO! |
| 08:27.31 | dpkg | dies from a heart attack thanks to ormie |
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| 08:27.59 | Ormie | what is "boo" to dpkg for? |
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| 08:28.07 | Ormie | doesn't have much use. o.o |
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| 09:10.16 | sweb1 | is any package mysql with sphinx precomliped ? |
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| 09:11.58 | babilen | sweb1: What do you mean? Are you referring to: |
| 09:12.16 | babilen | ,i sphinxsearch |
| 09:12.17 | judd | Package sphinxsearch (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Fast standalone full-text SQL search engine. Version: 0.9.9-6; Size: 2413.4k; Installed: 6536k |
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| 09:13.16 | babilen | sweb1: What would it entail for MySQL to be precompiled with that? (AFAICT you just install spinxsearch and it uses MySQL (or a different DB) in the background) |
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| 09:15.25 | sweb1 | babilen: i was think sphinx is something like engine for MySQL |
| 09:17.26 | babilen | sweb1: As in SphinxSE? (cf. http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/current.html#sphinxse) |
| 09:18.20 | babilen | I am not sure if MySQL has been compiled with support for that, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure it out. |
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| 09:19.25 | babilen | sweb1: A very cursory websearch seems to indicate that Debian does, in fact, not provide MySQL packages with the SphinxSE patches applied. |
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| 09:27.23 | Natureshadow | why do I have to be invited to #debian-next? |
| 09:28.47 | babilen | Natureshadow: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) not here on Freenode (the channel here is locked) |
| 09:29.08 | Natureshadow | babilen: then fix your topic |
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| 09:29.24 | Natureshadow | oh fu |
| 09:29.28 | babilen | Natureshadow: Please read it again ;) |
| 09:29.34 | Natureshadow | it's in there, client cut the line ;) |
| 09:29.38 | Natureshadow | sry |
| 09:29.42 | babilen | no problem |
| 09:29.54 | Natureshadow | last thing I see when not doing explicit /topic is the opening bracket ;) |
| 09:30.59 | Natureshadow | anyway, I cannot connect to oftc until the next ZNC release ;) |
| 09:31.53 | initself | if my grub2 boots me into hd0, but my disk is raided, will the raid still be "working"? |
| 09:32.11 | initself | or do i have to explicitly boot into md0? |
| 09:32.23 | Natureshadow | initself: what RAID level is it? |
| 09:32.27 | initself | RAID1 |
| 09:32.42 | Natureshadow | initself: and, "raided" as in "in a RAID", not as in "stolen", right ;) ? |
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| 09:32.53 | initself | yes, in a RAID1 |
| 09:33.10 | initself | I'm having problems because my /boot in on a firmware usb thing on this NAS |
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| 09:33.17 | initself | i had to game it a little bit |
| 09:33.33 | initself | my original grub boots to the MBR on my sda |
| 09:33.34 | Natureshadow | then yes, you probably should be able to boot from a single disk, however, I'd not write on a single disk device ... |
| 09:33.54 | initself | you'd "not write on a single disk device"? |
| 09:33.57 | initself | what does that mean? |
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| 09:34.12 | initself | I am successfully booting into my os. |
| 09:34.26 | initself | and cat /proc/mdstat shows the raid is there and working |
| 09:34.51 | initself | grub2 is confusing as hell |
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| 09:35.48 | Natureshadow | initself: as in. if you have /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 in a RAID1, you can mount /dev/sda1 read-only or boot from it or whatever, but never ever mount /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 writable and touch it |
| 09:36.02 | initself | hrm |
| 09:36.09 | initself | that doesn't make any sense |
| 09:36.29 | Natureshadow | ok, if you think so ... |
| 09:36.48 | initself | wait, help me understand the basics |
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| 09:36.54 | initself | df -k shows /dev/md0 |
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| 09:37.18 | initself | it also shows /dev/sda1, but that doesn't really even need to be there, because /boot is actually in the usb firmware |
| 09:37.23 | Natureshadow | you want to keep the disks in sync, so you want to *write* to the md device, *not* the member partitions |
| 09:37.29 | initself | right |
| 09:37.31 | initself | that makes sense |
| 09:37.35 | initself | but my questoin is... |
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| 09:37.55 | Natureshadow | nonetheless, you can *read* from any single member partiotion at any time because they are raw filesystem data |
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| 09:38.05 | initself | if /dev/md0 is the only thing mounted, that means my root partition is up and running and i'm all good, right? |
| 09:38.23 | Natureshadow | if your rootfs is on /dev/md0, then yes. |
| 09:38.30 | initself | Yes, it is. |
| 09:38.38 | Natureshadow | BUT keep in mind that your *real* root is not what /etc/mtab says! |
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| 09:38.47 | Natureshadow | readlink /dev/root to find out what your *real* root is |
| 09:38.58 | initself | md0 |
| 09:39.09 | Natureshadow | then you are up and running with your raid ;) |
| 09:39.10 | initself | that makes me feel good. |
| 09:39.23 | initself | ok, so please help me understand wtf grub2 is doing. |
| 09:39.35 | initself | I have grub running from /boot on this usb firmware thing. |
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| 09:39.43 | Natureshadow | that sounds crappy, but ok ;) |
| 09:39.53 | initself | It gives me errors about not being able to find a device. |
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| 09:40.06 | initself | And then it gives me the menu where i can select a device. |
| 09:40.18 | initself | The default device boots me into md0 real root, and that's great. |
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| 09:40.32 | initself | but why doesn't it just give me the menu without an error? |
| 09:40.35 | Natureshadow | I actually do not think it gives you a list of devices |
| 09:40.42 | Natureshadow | it gives you a list of configured kernels and commandlines |
| 09:40.44 | initself | right |
| 09:40.54 | initself | it gives me a list of 2 kernels, one normal, one recovery |
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| 09:41.01 | initself | but prior to that, i get an error |
| 09:41.09 | Natureshadow | you didn't mention that before ... |
| 09:41.11 | ompaul | what is the error |
| 09:42.14 | initself | grub error no such device |
| 09:42.26 | Natureshadow | has to do chores now |
| 09:42.27 | initself | i didn't copy it down verbatim |
| 09:43.05 | initself | i get the error, but after a couple of seconds, i get the menu |
| 09:43.20 | initself | set root='(md/0)' |
| 09:43.26 | initself | search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set ba490009-714d-4bc8-a471-10e19183336c |
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| 09:43.31 | initself | maybe because of that? |
| 09:43.38 | initself | i dont understand grub2 save my life |
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| 09:44.09 | ompaul | well without the words from the error which occurs before grub ... all guesses are off |
| 09:44.19 | jimcooncat | what replaced the libpam-ssh package in wheezy? |
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| 09:44.58 | ompaul | jimcooncat: do this and all will be told apt-cache search libpam-ssh |
| 09:45.33 | Iridos | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 09:45.34 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 17.0.963.83~r127885-1; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 20.0.1132.41~r143299-1 |
| 09:46.06 | Iridos | probably not a lot of fun to backport yourself |
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| 09:46.42 | jimcooncat | ompaul: unfortunately that's not the same |
| 09:46.57 | sungazer | ohey all. when's xfce 4.10 making it into unstable? it's been MONTHS since they released it now :V |
| 09:47.34 | initself | error: no such device: ba490009-714d-4bc8-a471-10e19183336c \ error: no such disk \ error: no suitable mode found |
| 09:47.38 | initself | ompaul: ^ |
| 09:47.54 | jimcooncat | libpam-sshauth authenticates against an ssh server, libpam-ssh automatically loads one's ssh agent when entering the login password |
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| 09:48.26 | initself | the menu entry that runs properly is: |
| 09:48.28 | initself | linux /vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=ba490009-714d-4bc8-a471-10e19183336c ro quiet |
| 09:48.48 | initself | prior to that, it runs: search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set da201bd1-7f91-4100-890c-487a3116d82d |
| 09:48.57 | jimcooncat | so I'm wondering where to find out what happened to the libpam-ssh package that was in squeeze, but was not published in wheezy |
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| 09:51.16 | babilen | jimcooncat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650644 (google for: "libpam-ssh removal site:bugs.debian.org") |
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| 09:51.52 | ompaul | initself: do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid that is where you will find something - I have to dash here |
| 09:51.59 | jimcooncat | thank you babilen! |
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| 09:53.11 | jelly-home | sungazer: when it happens, you're going to see it in #debian-xfce topic, the channel's right here on Freenode |
| 09:53.23 | sungazer | :D |
| 09:53.44 | initself | :Q |
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| 09:55.25 | jelly-home | ,versions xfce4-panel |
| 09:55.26 | judd | Package: xfce4-panel on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-6; lenny-backports: 4.6.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.4-1; sid: 4.8.6-3; wheezy: 4.8.6-3; experimental: 4.10.0-1 |
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| 09:56.12 | sungazer | does it move from experimental to unstable automatically if there's no bugs? or are they holding it in experimental for a reason? |
| 09:56.41 | jimcooncat | I found ssh-askpass which will be good enough for what I need. Thanks babilen, ompaul |
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| 09:57.47 | Vincenzo | !lista |
| 09:58.02 | jelly-home | sungazer: packages never move automatically from experimental anywhere |
| 09:58.22 | jelly-home | it's there for a reason yes |
| 09:58.35 | jubo2 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHH! My touchpad is running on mouse emulation. THIS IS UI HELL! Someone fix this ( I'm on Squeeze/KDE/Compiz ) |
| 09:58.58 | Vincenzo | !lista |
| 09:59.00 | jubo2 | It works well in Win 7, Xubuntu and Kubuntu |
| 09:59.15 | jelly-home | Vincenzo: questo non e' un warez channel |
| 09:59.25 | sungazer | thanks :D |
| 09:59.37 | Vincenzo | scusa ma ne sto cercando uno |
| 09:59.52 | jubo2 | THIS IS FUCK! ABSOLUTE FUCK! ICH MUSS BESSER ALGORITMER HABEN MACHEN! |
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| 10:00.06 | jubo2 | fũr die touchpad |
| 10:00.15 | jelly-home | Vincenzo: try a different irc network -- warez is forbidden here |
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| 10:00.59 | jelly-home | jubo2: try /msg dpkg touchpad |
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| 10:01.10 | jubo2 | jelly-home: 'k |
| 10:01.44 | initself | ompaul: i commented out the devices that were loading before the menu entry and the errors disappeared. |
| 10:01.49 | initself | ompaul++ |
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| 10:05.26 | jubo2 | jelly-home: I has no command 'modprobe' so I cannot execute that obviously other then that the needed package has been installed. On bootup the system says "touchpad driver too old or not loaded" ( or the equivalent in Finnish ) |
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| 10:06.01 | jelly-home | jubo2: be root. |
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| 10:06.49 | jelly-home | you most definitely have a /sbin/modprobe, but perhaps your PATH for root is incomplete |
| 10:07.24 | jelly-home | ,versions xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 10:07.25 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics on i386 -- lenny: 0.14.7~git20070706-3; squeeze: 1.2.2-2; squeeze-backports: 1.4.1-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6.2-1; wheezy: 1.6.2-1 |
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| 10:14.41 | gnarface | tortilla chip! |
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| 10:15.49 | ompaul | chili dip |
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| 10:15.59 | ompaul | initself: good |
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| 10:19.28 | jelly-home | jubo2: also that "/msg dpkg clickpad" thing might be relevant (there are unofficial packages linked on the url in there) |
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| 10:21.59 | ompaul | this might be useful tpconfig kde-config-touchpad |
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| 10:30.27 | Desproges | Hi all, I have trouble when installing sendmail, I got the following error https://gist.github.com/2982746 |
| 10:30.36 | Desproges | NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: daemon MTA-v4: cannot bind: Address already in use |
| 10:31.31 | Desproges | (I tried serveral times, trying to use postfix, ...). My goal is only to send mail with php |
| 10:31.46 | Natureshadow | Desproges: there is an mta running or something else using port 25 |
| 10:31.55 | Natureshadow | netstat -ntopa | grep 25 |
| 10:32.22 | Desproges | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 29151/sendmail: MTA off (0.00/0/0) |
| 10:32.33 | Natureshadow | then sendmail is already running |
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| 10:32.58 | Natureshadow | only for localhost for that matter, but that's ok for local mail |
| 10:33.34 | Desproges | ok, thanks |
| 10:33.38 | Desproges | an other problem |
| 10:33.42 | Desproges | related |
| 10:34.12 | Desproges | is that I got "unable to qualify my own domain name" |
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| 10:35.28 | rtfm | ;) |
| 10:35.54 | Natureshadow | Desproges: what's in your /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:35.56 | Desproges | In fact this is a server that will be used for an already existing domain name, (where mail are handled with an other service) |
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| 10:36.32 | Natureshadow | Desproges: that is unimportant, the FQDN is used for Message-IDs atc. |
| 10:36.33 | Desproges | just localhost related |
| 10:36.46 | Natureshadow | Desproges: then put your primary IP address and your FQDN in there |
| 10:37.15 | Natureshadow | or, to be more precise, what is in /etc/hostname must be resolvable to an FQDN |
| 10:37.34 | Natureshadow | so, you must have an entry of the form "a.b.c.d host.fqdn.tld host" |
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| 10:37.47 | Natureshadow | so the resolver can do host -> a.b.c.d -> host.fqdn.tld |
| 10:37.56 | Desproges | sorry I'm kind of noob, please tell me what you named "FQDN" again |
| 10:38.06 | Natureshadow | fully qualified domain name |
| 10:38.11 | Desproges | of course :s |
| 10:38.24 | Natureshadow | you should know such things *before* running internet-facing services that might become prone to attacks! |
| 10:38.43 | ompaul | Desproges: is sendmail a requirement - it has a huge config - how many users are there |
| 10:39.17 | ompaul | Desproges: if email is the requirement - then may I suggest postfix - it is simple to set up, works well |
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| 10:39.50 | Desproges | it's primary to send to me some cron results, and maybe some contact form from php |
| 10:40.10 | ompaul | postfix is much simpler |
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| 10:40.43 | ompaul | however you really need to sit down with a howto or FAQ before you install it, understand |
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| 10:41.08 | ompaul | understand, what it does, how it does it, and how to block spam |
| 10:41.39 | Natureshadow | basically, for a sattelite system, apt-get install postfix is ok as long as it is not reachable from the internet ... |
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| 10:42.13 | Natureshadow | open it up to the internet once you can explain the Big Picture to me after being woken up in the middle of the night ;) |
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| 10:43.22 | Desproges | mhh |
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| 10:45.07 | Iridos | also, exim is default for a reason? |
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| 10:46.10 | Desproges | yes, I just remembered that |
| 10:47.35 | Natureshadow | Iridos: what reason might that be? drive administrators nuts ;) ? |
| 10:47.50 | Iridos | you're calling me nuts? |
| 10:48.17 | Natureshadow | Iridos: Not quite, I was only saying Exim has the potential of *making* you become nuts ;) |
| 10:48.38 | Iridos | does it? seemed quite straight-forward to me |
| 10:48.41 | Natureshadow | Some people might be resistent ;) |
| 10:48.45 | Iridos | perhaps you're confusing it with sendmail |
| 10:48.46 | Iridos | :D |
| 10:48.54 | Iridos | (which closes the cycle) |
| 10:49.34 | Natureshadow | Iridos: are you serving a ton of virtual domains with transport maps for different users and such things with it? |
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| 10:49.50 | Natureshadow | I never managed to do such things in a reasonable way with anything else than Postfix ;) |
| 10:49.53 | Iridos | are you saying the asker does that kinnd of thing? |
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| 10:50.26 | Iridos | s/nn/n/ |
| 10:50.26 | Natureshadow | Iridos: the asker is at least paid for that, yes :D. |
| 10:50.50 | Natureshadow | But that wasn't the point, the point was to find out how to do it with exim ;) |
| 10:50.53 | Iridos | really? |
| 10:50.56 | Natureshadow | purely academical reasons ,) |
| 10:50.59 | Natureshadow | ;) |
| 10:51.04 | Iridos | how do you interpret that into "<Desproges> it's primary to send to me some cron results, and maybe some contact form from php" |
| 10:51.16 | Natureshadow | Iridos: oh, *that* asker ;) |
| 10:51.30 | Desproges | ^^ |
| 10:51.40 | Natureshadow | Iridos: I wasn't referring to that anymore, actually ;). |
| 10:51.53 | Iridos | right, that asker :) |
| 10:51.53 | Natureshadow | Just generally asking for the features of Exim ;) |
| 10:52.02 | Desproges | Anyway, I will try to reinstall postfix, I probably missed something |
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| 10:54.27 | Iridos | and I actually don't think if you are " serving a ton of virtual domains with transport maps for different users and such things with it" that you'll just stick to the default any distro picked, you'll probably choose according to your expertise or be told what to use from your management |
| 10:54.47 | Iridos | and you probably wouldn't ask in here ... but as nobody ever asked about such a case who cares anyway |
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| 10:55.12 | Natureshadow | Certainly. I wouldn't use Exim if you told me it can do the job; I am just curious *if* it can |
| 10:55.15 | Iridos | and I think for small email servers the default is a sensible choice and if you don't have your own strong preference I would suggest to just stick with it |
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| 10:57.00 | Desproges | I m not a sys admin at all, I have just some knowledges, I already installed a couple of server for apache/php/sql/sftp/git usages, but I always have difficulties for the mail part |
| 10:57.06 | Iridos | being the default it's probably also the "most trodden path" |
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| 10:57.50 | sungazer | Eh, I found configuring postfix+dovecot with ssl/certificate a complete nightmare. |
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| 10:57.58 | Desproges | postfix was my first try, and after install the mail is successfully sent, according to php function result |
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| 10:58.14 | Desproges | but, nothing is really sent :s |
| 10:58.27 | Desproges | not even in the mailbox of the root user |
| 10:58.33 | Desproges | as delivery failure* |
| 10:58.35 | sungazer | Still not sure if I got it right, and I think they're using two different certificates, and there's weird file sockets all over the place, but it seems to work so I'm leaving it alone now >.> |
| 10:58.48 | Desproges | now, I have this : "postfix/postdrop[19061]: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory" |
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| 10:59.00 | mathias | hi, how can I find our wether my linux runs on UMA or NUMA? Checking /proc/cpuinfo I fould a value "physical id" that seems to indicate the socket the CPU in located on. BUT having two sockets does not necessarily mean to have NUMA, right? |
| 11:03.07 | marchtemp | Hey guys, what's the best way to install Nvidia drivers? |
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| 11:03.49 | Desproges | ohhh ok ! I finally found my problem, sendmail was still running ! All works wonderfully now :) |
| 11:04.10 | bakaneko | marchtemp, sudo aptitude install |
| 11:04.57 | marchtemp | bakaneko: I don't know what packages are necessary. |
| 11:05.00 | newd | hello. I hve debian testing and I dont know why the applications have gone. not in /bin, in the activities and application menu. do you know how can I fix it? sorry for my bad english |
| 11:05.21 | bakaneko | marchtemp, i'm not sure, but try this one xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
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| 11:05.40 | bakaneko | it is proprietary |
| 11:05.51 | marchtemp | bakaneko: Thanks, is there a manual? |
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| 11:06.08 | bakaneko | sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 11:06.27 | bakaneko | it should build a kernel module with dkms by itself |
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| 11:07.09 | bakaneko | you don't have to compile something manually |
| 11:07.14 | bakaneko | debian-way |
| 11:07.28 | newd | please help, I need the apps :S they have gone in applications menu |
| 11:07.41 | marchtemp | bakaneko: Do I need to specify my card? I've tried Nvidia's script, but it complained about gcc version. |
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| 11:08.53 | bakaneko | no, you don't have. if your card is new one |
| 11:09.15 | bakaneko | if it's the old one there was another package |
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| 11:09.46 | marchtemp | bakaneko: Thanks, you are much more helpful than Arch guys. |
| 11:09.58 | bakaneko | lol |
| 11:10.03 | bakaneko | newd, rm ~/.config/menus/applications.menu |
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| 11:10.46 | bakaneko | marchtemp, tell me if the kernel module is built |
| 11:11.22 | newd | bakaneko : thanks, but it not exist |
| 11:11.33 | marchtemp | bakaneko: Sure, I've also found this for Mint http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/331. It has several packages. |
| 11:12.48 | newd | bakaneko, if I open alacarte : ValueError: can not load menu tree 'gnome-applications.menu' |
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| 11:13.06 | bakaneko | marchtemp, that's right. they should install automatically as a dependenciess |
| 11:13.21 | bakaneko | marchtemp, the most crucial packet you need is nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 11:14.15 | bakaneko | AFAIK nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx is for old cards |
| 11:14.38 | marchtemp | bakaneko: Is xsever-xorg-video-nvidia a metapackage? |
| 11:15.06 | bakaneko | i dunno. the sky won't fall on your head if you try |
| 11:15.25 | marchtemp | Ok. |
| 11:16.09 | bakaneko | newd, how did you break it? |
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| 11:17.36 | newd | bakaneko: I dont know :S |
| 11:17.46 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides xsever-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 11:17.49 | judd | No packages provide 'xsever-xorg-video-nvidia' in squeeze/i386. |
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| 11:17.58 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 11:18.00 | judd | No packages provide 'xserver-xorg-video-nvidia' in squeeze/i386. |
| 11:18.13 | bakaneko | newd, rm ~/.config/menus/gnome-applications.menu |
| 11:19.21 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell marchtemp about nvidia dkms |
| 11:19.50 | newd | bakaneko: worked, thanks :D |
| 11:19.57 | bakaneko | newd, =* |
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| 11:22.09 | Ormie | i have an un upgradable debian! |
| 11:22.11 | Ormie | E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 11:23.19 | Ormie | can someone help me out? |
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| 11:23.33 | Ormie | Jesus christ LaptopBrain is here. :P |
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| 11:23.47 | Ormie | LaptopBrain! |
| 11:24.49 | ompaul | Ormie: you see the thing is asking for help from the same people on two networks is not the best idea ever and is frowned upon |
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| 11:25.01 | ompaul | please keep it going on oftc |
| 11:25.08 | Ormie | um... |
| 11:25.12 | Ormie | *sigh* |
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| 11:38.01 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 11:47.51 | multiHYP | hi |
| 11:48.01 | blackshirt | good night |
| 11:48.22 | blackshirt | hi multihyp... |
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| 11:48.49 | blackshirt | i',m new debian user, |
| 11:51.36 | abrotman | you just keep coming back to ask questoin? |
| 11:52.22 | blackshirt | what yama security framework? |
| 11:52.23 | blackshirt | What is? |
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| 11:52.36 | jelly-home | is having a feeling of deja vu |
| 11:52.43 | multiHYP | :) |
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| 11:54.41 | jelly-home | May 20 11:37:03 <Blackshirt> What best security framework for debian? |
| 11:54.41 | jelly-home | May 20 11:38:45 <Blackshirt> Between selinux, smack, tomoyo,apparmor and grsecurity, what best for daily use |
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| 11:55.09 | jelly-home | ah. See, no mention of Yama. |
| 11:55.52 | abrotman | heh |
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| 11:57.13 | proby | hello , guys if i chmod an suid file , to run it as root again i should use sudo? |
| 11:57.59 | proby | !ping |
| 11:57.59 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:58.08 | proby | :suid |
| 11:58.11 | proby | !suid |
| 11:58.12 | dpkg | methinks suid is "set user ID". Unix supports a special bit in a file's <permissions> that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner. |
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| 12:00.47 | multiHYP | where is the netinst of unstable? |
| 12:00.56 | proby | mutz hello , guys if i chmod an suid file , to run it as root again i should use sudo? |
| 12:01.08 | jelly-home | proby: typically there should be no need to further chmod a package-provided setuid executable, which file are you talking about exactly, what are its current perms and why do you want to change them? |
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| 12:01.43 | proby | jelly-home the files that are run as root by deffault |
| 12:01.56 | jelly-home | proby: which one in particular? |
| 12:01.56 | proby | i want to remove this and run it as root by sudo |
| 12:02.02 | proby | wait |
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| 12:02.38 | jelly-home | proby: show current ls -ld /path/to/executable, please. Also, which debian release are you using? |
| 12:02.45 | proby | jelly-home: the ones generated by this find / -type f -perm +6000 -ls |
| 12:03.57 | jelly-home | proby: which one in particular? |
| 12:04.35 | jelly-home | proby: do you want to disable all setuids and why? |
| 12:04.50 | proby | */bin/mount |
| 12:05.16 | proby | jelly-home to enhance security :p |
| 12:05.37 | jelly-home | proby: why do you think your naive approach would enhance security in any way? |
| 12:05.53 | sungazer | You'll just break things. Anything setuid after decades is that way for a reason.. |
| 12:06.19 | proby | http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=92 no |
| 12:06.31 | proby | it will prevent arbitrary code execution |
| 12:06.56 | abrotman | oh will it? |
| 12:07.25 | proby | somehow it will do it , |
| 12:07.48 | sungazer | well, if you can figure out a way to exploit 'ping' then by all means unsuid it :V |
| 12:07.55 | proby | if domeone could get a remote shell from an exploited suid program pof |
| 12:08.29 | proby | sungazer if i unsuid it will it be possible to run it again as root?? |
| 12:08.32 | __gilles | 14:05 < sungazer> You'll just break things. Anything setuid after decades is that way for a reason.. |
| 12:08.36 | __gilles | that's not always right |
| 12:08.52 | proby | __gilles +1 |
| 12:08.53 | __gilles | many things that are setuid can be turned setgid with little effort |
| 12:09.21 | __gilles | or can be turned into privilege separated applications with slightly more effort |
| 12:10.01 | sungazer | Yeah, but any shell scripts that use it and expect it to work are gonna break. |
| 12:10.08 | __gilles | nope why ? |
| 12:10.14 | __gilles | from the caller, nothing changes |
| 12:10.36 | phogg | __gilles: if you take suid await from ping and you have a program that happens to rely on executing ping as a non-privileged user then it will "mysteriously" break |
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| 12:10.49 | __gilles | nope, ping is a bad example :) |
| 12:10.50 | proby | __gilles if unsuid a binary file , how to execute it as root again ??? (by using sudo)??? |
| 12:10.56 | aber | hehe, how do you change your password? |
| 12:11.02 | phogg | __gilles: so it is true to say that you will break things and it's that way for a reason, even if it is possible to set things up differently it may not "just work" |
| 12:11.06 | __gilles | i was replying to the "generalization" that anything setuid for years was setuid for a reason |
| 12:11.09 | abrotman | proby: try it and see |
| 12:11.28 | pparadis | ping needs to be run with effective uid 0 because it opens raw sockets. if you remove the setuid bit, you can still run it as root, but users will not be able to run it. this may well have unintended consequences. also, as has been pointed out, if you can exploit ping, please submit a bug report. |
| 12:11.29 | proby | abrotman hhhhhhh okey |
| 12:11.30 | sungazer | Well, done properly, a passwd daemon running as root that communicates with an unprivileged passwd-change app. |
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| 12:11.59 | sungazer | Rather than a setuid passwd app that just updates the /etc/shadow file directly when a password is changed. |
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| 12:12.27 | phogg | __gilles: anything setuid for years IS that way for a reason: It's a setup that people/programs expect and it won't work as well when not setuid. It may not be a sufficient reason for you to leave the potential security problem, but it's still there for a reason. |
| 12:13.17 | pparadis | heck, on a system where you're that concerned about something like this, you shouldn't have any binaries sitting around at all that aren't absolutely necessary. |
| 12:13.19 | __gilles | phogg: i disagree, very often it's that way because it's historical, with work it can be turned setgid or privsepd |
| 12:13.28 | pparadis | i mean there's paranoia, and then there paranoia. |
| 12:13.31 | __gilles | it requires work, not just changing permissions |
| 12:13.36 | __gilles | it requires rewriting a bit of code |
| 12:13.46 | phogg | __gilles: "with work" it can be, but you can't just chmod it away and expect things to be okay. |
| 12:13.48 | pparadis | __gilles: and when you rewrite code, you write new bugs. |
| 12:13.54 | __gilles | phogg: yes, i agree with that ! |
| 12:13.54 | __gilles | :) |
| 12:14.10 | phogg | __gilles: distribution makers do care about security. If it were possible to make ping not setuid root without problems they would all do it. |
| 12:14.17 | __gilles | pparadis: you're not serious right ? :) |
| 12:14.24 | pparadis | __gilles: yes, i am. |
| 12:14.45 | pparadis | __gilles: that's how bugs happen. code gets written. |
| 12:14.52 | __gilles | phogg: ping is a bad example, for that particular example it requires root for raw sockets |
| 12:14.53 | AimHere | When you debug code, you write new bugs too. But hopefully they're more obscure and harder to find than the ones you got rid of |
| 12:14.58 | sungazer | Course you write new bugs. Like with passwd-daemon and passwd... chance of buffer overflow in the IPC between them, which allows and exploit of the daemon :V |
| 12:15.23 | phogg | __gilles: *all* setuid binaries require that for one reason or another. In a modern distro it's turned off if it can be. |
| 12:16.06 | phogg | years ago this wasn't the case, but it's not years ago any more... hasn't been for years |
| 12:16.21 | abrotman | phogg: years ago, we used DOS, there was no concept of permissions :) |
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| 12:16.56 | __gilles | phogg: i agree with that too, i was replying to the dangerous generalization that if anything was that way it was necessarily for a good reason |
| 12:16.57 | phogg | abrotman: oh yeah? "No, you can't use my computer" -- security circa 1982. |
| 12:17.06 | __gilles | it's always preferable to question the reason why something is setuid |
| 12:17.10 | __gilles | and if it can be turned off |
| 12:17.14 | __gilles | sometimes it can't |
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| 12:17.37 | __gilles | not everything can be turned away from setuid but a lot can be |
| 12:17.56 | __gilles | (with slightly different code) |
| 12:18.13 | sungazer | In which case you just move the setuid bit to a daemon, which is new code, which is gonna be buggy and exploitable. |
| 12:18.26 | __gilles | no, not necessarily |
| 12:18.56 | abrotman | phogg: heh |
| 12:19.00 | sungazer | Into the kernel directly then? Even better :D |
| 12:19.21 | __gilles | ... |
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| 12:19.57 | namoamitabuddha | Is there anybody using noweb? |
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| 12:20.13 | phogg | namoamitabuddha: why, would it help if there were? |
| 12:20.39 | jelly-home | ,i noweb |
| 12:20.40 | judd | Package noweb (devel, extra) in squeeze/i386: A WEB-like literate-programming tool. Version: 2.11b-7; Size: 522.7k; Installed: 1104k; Homepage: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~nr/noweb/ |
| 12:21.38 | namoamitabuddha | phogg: I found there's one package named after ifupdown is written in noweb. |
| 12:21.58 | phogg | namoamitabuddha: yeah, I noticed that, too. Strange, right? |
| 12:22.04 | phogg | namoamitabuddha: trying to make sense of it? |
| 12:23.03 | namoamitabuddha | phogg: Yes, but when I make ifupdown.dvi, it shows many <??> here. |
| 12:24.38 | phogg | namoamitabuddha: I don't know noweb, sorry. Perhaps you should say "I am trying to compile ifupdown but I'm seeing $problem, what do I do?" |
| 12:25.06 | multiHYP | wheezy is out 30th june? |
| 12:25.14 | namoamitabuddha | multiHYP: freeze |
| 12:25.21 | multiHYP | :o |
| 12:25.42 | namoamitabuddha | phogg: Oh, no, I meant latex issue. |
| 12:25.43 | multiHYP | how long until it reaches us? |
| 12:26.17 | abrotman | multiHYP: we do'nt know .. fix bugs |
| 12:26.22 | namoamitabuddha | multiHYP: frozen is almost stable. |
| 12:26.31 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: that's not really true |
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| 12:26.36 | multiHYP | ok fingers crossed is out soon |
| 12:26.42 | multiHYP | gnome 3 will be on it, right? |
| 12:26.55 | namoamitabuddha | abrotman: For desktop using. lol |
| 12:27.01 | abrotman | multiHYP: if the past is any indicator, wheezy will be released early next year based on the freeze date .. but there is no guarantee |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | namoamitabuddha: lololol? |
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| 12:29.23 | ilius | i just escaped from arch+gnome3 to debian+gnome2 LOL |
| 12:29.37 | multiHYP | i know, but i just can't wait for gnome 3 |
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| 12:30.20 | multiHYP | from june 30th to the release date, do people having wheezy get the bug fixes too? |
| 12:30.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | well, if they install updated packages |
| 12:31.11 | multiHYP | so I'm good to go with my wheezy installation :) |
| 12:31.22 | abrotman | if you install the updated packages when they come out |
| 12:31.33 | multiHYP | good thing i didn't get sid now. |
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| 12:36.22 | jelly-home | multiHYP: a release in frozen state may get through worse breakage than usual. |
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| 12:36.47 | multiHYP | oh come on, I'm not scared! |
| 12:37.13 | multiHYP | what I do is make a backup of my wheezy, then install gnome 3 and see how it goes. |
| 12:37.14 | jelly-home | you will be. |
| 12:37.22 | jelly-home | YOU WILL BE |
| 12:37.27 | multiHYP | :D |
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| 12:37.46 | abrotman | cowers |
| 12:37.47 | Iridos | if you live to be! |
| 12:38.24 | ilius | guys, i can't see arabic/persian text in gnome-terminal, while the font i'm using supports that (using it in gedit), should i struggle with /etc/console-setup/* stuff? |
| 12:39.37 | engla | ilius: console-setup is not relevant for gnome-terminal I think |
| 12:40.31 | ilius | i guess i should install many packages, but i can't find |
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| 12:41.23 | multiHYP | can you use right to left languages inside terminal? i.e. for folder names? |
| 12:41.37 | multiHYP | utf8 perhaps |
| 12:41.51 | engla | it depends on the program. vim -A or vim -F work fine |
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| 12:41.53 | abrotman | ilius: does "locale" tell you anything useful ? |
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| 12:42.06 | Ormie | Hello |
| 12:42.10 | Ormie | I got a problem |
| 12:42.36 | Ormie | Since i did an update, apt-get went crazy, apt-get won't let me install a thing. |
| 12:42.42 | Ormie | Can someone help me? |
| 12:43.02 | gyaresu | Ormie: Best to post a link to your pastebin error message |
| 12:43.14 | Ormie | ok |
| 12:43.46 | Ormie | !tell ormie about pastebin |
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| 12:44.34 | Ormie | gyaresu, http://paste.debian.net/176081/ |
| 12:45.24 | abrotman | Ormie: also paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:45.46 | engla | Ormie: you have packages with apt status "broken", you'll have to resolve this asap |
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| 12:46.05 | Ormie | engla, whats "asap"? |
| 12:46.11 | engla | as soon as possible |
| 12:46.12 | gyaresu | as soon as possible |
| 12:46.20 | abrotman | waits for the sources.list |
| 12:46.27 | ilius | abrotman: i enabled locale and run locale-gen, but not works yet |
| 12:46.37 | abrotman | ilius: have you logged out/logged in ? |
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| 12:46.53 | Ormie | abramart, http://paste.debian.net/176082/ |
| 12:46.58 | ilius | no, i thoght closing terminal might work |
| 12:47.05 | ilius | lemme try |
| 12:47.11 | gyaresu | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? Maybe it's not built? |
| 12:47.23 | abrotman | Ormie: are you using pinning? are you trying to run squeeze or wheezy? |
| 12:47.35 | abrotman | gyaresu: worth a shot |
| 12:48.04 | abrotman | though, that's what locale-gen should do |
| 12:48.13 | Ormie | abrotman, i am using squeeze and needs some backports from both of them due to the firmware issue of my previous device. |
| 12:48.24 | gyaresu | ilius: Maybe try rebuilding your locales: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale#Standard |
| 12:48.36 | abrotman | Ormie: but you have a wheezy binary package source line |
| 12:48.51 | Ormie | abrotman, so... |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | judd: versions xz-lzma |
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| 12:48.55 | judd | Package: xz-lzma on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.0.0-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.0.0-2; wheezy: 5.1.1alpha+20110809-3 |
| 12:48.56 | gyaresu | Ormie: Where you using a guide online? Got a link? |
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| 12:49.20 | abrotman | judd: versions python-software-properties |
| 12:49.20 | Ormie | abrotman, i add them by my self |
| 12:49.21 | judd | Package: python-software-properties on i386 -- lenny: 0.60.debian-1.1; squeeze: 0.60.debian-3; wheezy: 0.82.4debian3; sid: 0.82.7.1debian1 |
| 12:49.22 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 12:49.42 | abrotman | Ormie: your wheezy packages are out of date, and you're mixing versions of Debian .. this usually leads to crying |
| 12:50.03 | Ormie | !tell gyaresu about RTL8188CE |
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| 12:50.18 | gyaresu | Ormie: Um... ok. |
| 12:50.25 | abrotman | i doubt that factoid told you to mix versions of Debian |
| 12:50.36 | gyaresu | heh |
| 12:50.42 | Ormie | abrotman, Please fix it D: |
| 12:50.59 | abrotman | Ormie: at this point .. your "best" option is to upgrade the whole box to wheezy |
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| 12:51.10 | abrotman | or reinstall |
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| 12:51.46 | Ormie | abrotman, curses! Can't i just remove something from repo? |
| 12:51.48 | gyaresu | abrotman: What do you reckon will explode if he puts sources.list back fixes that way? |
| 12:52.19 | abrotman | gyaresu: he'll have to use aptitude to try to downgrade things .. it may work |
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| 12:52.27 | Ormie | abrotman, curses! Can't i just remove something from sources.list? |
| 12:52.40 | gyaresu | Ormie: You made a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
| 12:52.42 | abrotman | Ormie: you can .. but that doesn't mean your system will magically revert itself |
| 12:52.55 | abrotman | he can just comment out the wheezy line .. then start downgrading packages |
| 12:52.58 | gyaresu | Ormie: You might have all kind of build problems. |
| 12:53.11 | gyaresu | Ormie: but you can always give it a try |
| 12:53.13 | Ormie | dies of a heart attack. |
| 12:53.18 | jelly-home | Ormie: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 12:53.58 | gyaresu | Ormie: checkout etckeeper as well (it keeps your /etc/ files in a git repo when you use apt/aptitude) |
| 12:54.01 | engla | Ormie: besides, a backport does not mean you just grab a package from a newer debian distribution. backports are always built from source |
| 12:54.14 | abrotman | gyaresu: his sources.list isn't that hard to figure out |
| 12:54.29 | abrotman | engla: unless you're "backporting" a firmware package that is binary-only? |
| 12:54.31 | gyaresu | abrotman: Just a friendly hint regarding backups :) |
| 12:54.46 | engla | abrotman: does it matter? |
| 12:54.53 | abrotman | engla: where's teh source? |
| 12:54.54 | Ormie | When can i enjoy using debian x.x |
| 12:55.08 | engla | abrotman: all debian packages have sources |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | when you stop breaking things intentionally |
| 12:56.08 | Ormie | fine, i'll download wheezy |
| 12:56.12 | Ormie | sigh |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | download? |
| 12:56.25 | abrotman | just fix your sources.list .. finish the dist-upgrade |
| 12:56.25 | Ormie | i hope i don't screw things up again |
| 12:56.34 | gyaresu | Ormie: ^ what abrotman said |
| 12:56.41 | Ormie | sigh |
| 12:56.52 | ivo_ | wheezy is not stable yet |
| 12:56.56 | abrotman | we know .. |
| 12:57.15 | gyaresu | Ormie: Can't learn without making mistakes. Plus reinstalling a few dozen times is good for you. |
| 12:57.36 | Ormie | my dinner! |
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| 12:57.51 | ivo_ | <gyaresu> no it is not |
| 12:57.56 | Ormie | i'm hungry |
| 12:57.59 | ivo_ | if you need a computer to work |
| 12:58.05 | ivo_ | reinstalling is not helpfull |
| 12:58.10 | engla | Ormie: don't try to escape now :) |
| 12:58.20 | Ormie | eats a debian DVD. omnomnom |
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| 12:58.43 | Ormie | becomes debian. |
| 12:58.53 | ilius | i restarted and solved |
| 12:58.57 | ilius | :) |
| 12:59.12 | gyaresu | ivo_: It is if you're haning out in #debian for the first time ;) |
| 12:59.12 | abrotman | ilius: congrats |
| 12:59.27 | engla | ivo_: since apt only supports one direction of time, you'll have to reinstall in some way to go backwards |
| 12:59.35 | ivo_ | Oh if so, than go for it reinstall as much as you want |
| 12:59.39 | abrotman | ivo_: if you need a computer to work, mixing versoins of Debian is not helpful :) |
| 13:00.12 | gyaresu | ivo_: Not me. People who are new to Debian/Linux. |
| 13:01.04 | Ormie | hopes to solves the problem |
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| 13:01.40 | Ormie | as i hope, I also eat a debian installation DVD. chomp chomp chomp. |
| 13:02.07 | ivo_ | I eat egg-whites and will go bike in 10mins |
| 13:02.08 | ivo_ | :D |
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| 13:03.32 | Ormie | It works! |
| 13:03.39 | Ormie | It works! |
| 13:03.41 | Ormie | YEAH HOO! |
| 13:04.08 | Ormie | thx |
| 13:04.10 | Ormie | bye |
| 13:04.33 | gyaresu | another satisfied customer |
| 13:04.38 | ivo_ | :) |
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| 13:04.46 | ivo_ | what was his problem? |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | i doubt that fixed his problem ... |
| 13:05.08 | abrotman | he just did a dist-upgrdae in five minutes? |
| 13:05.52 | engla | ivo_: wheezy in squeeze |
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| 13:07.38 | Cyclohexane | can anyone think of a way of remotely backing up 1GB+ without having it take 12hrs to upload to e-mail attachment / another server? lol |
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| 13:08.04 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: burn it to DVD, drive the DVD away from site? |
| 13:08.05 | ivo_ | crashplan is a nice service :) |
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| 13:08.25 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: that must be some really slow internet if it takes 12 hours to upload 1GB |
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| 13:08.37 | Cyclohexane | xD |
| 13:08.48 | abrotman | that's like .. 256Kb DSL? |
| 13:09.09 | ilius | guys if you did't know about subsonic, www.subsonic.org, I just set it up successfully with my android phone |
| 13:09.20 | ilius | perfect music server |
| 13:09.43 | calrogman | abrotman: ADSL is a cruel, cruel joke. |
| 13:09.57 | abrotman | so is taking 12hrs to upload 1GB |
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| 13:10.14 | ilius | calrogman: LOL not in all countries yet! |
| 13:11.07 | gyaresu | Cyclohexane: There's a lot of amazon s3 linux command line tools and s3 is cheap. |
| 13:11.22 | calrogman | Shitty upstream is standard fare in the UK. :-/ |
| 13:12.38 | Cyclohexane | Yup :p |
| 13:12.50 | cusco | hi... |
| 13:13.29 | cusco | a server on a cloud... had ipv6 previously working alright. Never bothered with it until now, I find it its not working ... |
| 13:13.37 | cusco | ifconfig states the address is configured: inet6 addr: 2001:41d0:1:6caf::3/64 Scope:Global |
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| 13:14.03 | cusco | and I think about changes... I replaced OVH's (hosting) kernel, with debian stock kernel |
| 13:14.16 | cusco | I'm not sure what to look for |
| 13:14.18 | jelly-home | cusco: "ip -6 r" says what? |
| 13:14.28 | ompaul | reboot with OVH's kernel and see if it comes back |
| 13:14.32 | jelly-home | use a pastebin for anythin more than 2 lines |
| 13:14.47 | gyaresu | I thought you couldn't change kernels on vm's? |
| 13:14.57 | gyaresu | from the client of course not the host. |
| 13:15.01 | cusco | I had 2 addresses configured, they show.. let me apste |
| 13:15.01 | abrotman | gyaresu: VM or VPS? |
| 13:15.06 | gyaresu | vps |
| 13:15.19 | cusco | .oO(can«t open paste.debian.net) |
| 13:15.39 | jelly-home | gyaresu: depends on the VM enviroment and technology |
| 13:15.41 | cusco | its a dedicated server... |
| 13:15.47 | cusco | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/176084/ |
| 13:15.57 | kbarka | ugh ovh |
| 13:16.11 | cusco | im happy with ovh, I must state |
| 13:16.35 | jelly-home | cusco: so you don't have a default route for ipv6 |
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| 13:16.50 | cusco | jelly-home: is in the interfaces file |
| 13:16.55 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.25 | cusco | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/176085/ |
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| 13:18.19 | gyaresu | I know this is not specifically Debian related but 'ctrl-x e' on the command line opens temporary editor to write long commands and when you close the command is there ready to be run. HOW FREAKING AWESOME! http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/1446/rapidly-invoke-an-editor-to-write-a-long-complex-or-tricky-command#comment |
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| 13:19.40 | calrogman | ...does nobody read bash(1)? |
| 13:19.59 | jelly-home | cusco: so is mine, and it's present in ip -6 r as well |
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| 13:20.24 | cusco | jelly-home: I guess interface is brought up with 'ifup eth0' |
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| 13:20.31 | calrogman | And it's C-x C-e. It runs the command as soon as the editor exits. |
| 13:20.35 | cusco | is there any aditional conf that I am missing? |
| 13:20.54 | jelly-home | cusco: you seem to have multiple gateway lines for ipv6 in there. Don't |
| 13:20.57 | jelly-home | . |
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| 13:21.31 | cusco | jelly-home: that is eth0:0 |
| 13:21.39 | cusco | should be treated as a different interface |
| 13:22.21 | jelly-home | cusco: yeah, you can have as many interfaces as you like, but only one _default_ gateway. if you ifupped eth0:0 and ifdowned it, it might take down the gateway |
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| 13:22.41 | cusco | ow |
| 13:22.44 | jelly-home | I suspect something similar to have happened |
| 13:23.25 | marchtemp | jelly-home: What should I add to sources.list to get nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
| 13:23.39 | jelly-home | marchtemp: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 13:23.57 | cusco | hmm, I can't ifup eth0:0 "RTNETLINK answers: File exists \\ Failed to bring up eth0:0." |
| 13:24.39 | jelly-home | it's already up. |
| 13:24.57 | cusco | ifdown: interface eth0:0 not configured |
| 13:25.33 | jelly-home | realize the state of ifupdown often differs from actual configuration of the devices |
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| 13:26.42 | jelly-home | so get rid of the configured ip addresses and routes using eg. ip tool, then bring it back up with ifup |
| 13:26.50 | cusco | ok |
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| 13:31.28 | marchtemp | jelly-home: After adding non-free, aptitude still doesn't see it. I use Russian mirrors, can it be the reason? |
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| 13:32.10 | jelly-home | marchtemp: don't forget to "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" |
| 13:32.33 | marchtemp | Oh. |
| 13:33.16 | jelly-home | it should be in the instructions |
| 13:33.48 | marchtemp | jelly-home: Thank you, everything works now. |
| 13:34.01 | jelly-home | \o/ |
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| 13:38.03 | [TheFlash] | hi |
| 13:38.14 | [TheFlash] | the version of brasero available in squeeze can |
| 13:38.18 | [TheFlash] | *can't write DVDs |
| 13:38.52 | [TheFlash] | when i try to burn an image to a blank DVD, i get an "invalid address" error |
| 13:39.12 | AAA | can anyone please help me out with a link to debian-31r1 iso files ? |
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| 13:40.44 | sney | !tell AAA about woody |
| 13:41.20 | sney | oops, I shoulda said sarge |
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| 13:41.42 | nezZario | what package provides 'iostat' ? |
| 13:42.27 | sney | you can search for it with apt-file search or dpkg -S |
| 13:42.29 | engla | nezZario: apt-cache search iostat |
| 13:43.11 | AAA | i thank you very much there. |
| 13:43.13 | [TheFlash] | shouldn't it be apt-file search iostat |
| 13:43.17 | [TheFlash] | ? |
| 13:43.31 | jelly-home | nezZario: sysstat |
| 13:43.37 | engla | apt-cache search will bring it up as well |
| 13:43.59 | engla | (and apt-cache is always installed) |
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| 13:44.21 | [TheFlash] | you can also use dpkg -S if it's installed |
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| 13:44.35 | [TheFlash] | i mean, if the package you're looking for is installed |
| 13:44.37 | engla | right but it normally isn't installed if you ask for it |
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| 13:45.40 | [TheFlash] | did anyone else try to burn a DVD with brasero on debian stable? |
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| 13:46.07 | [TheFlash] | mine always fails with an "invalid address error" |
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| 13:48.30 | [TheFlash] | i guess i should ask on #libburn |
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| 13:49.19 | [TheFlash] | well, #libburn is empty... |
| 13:49.54 | sney | try doing it with wodim |
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| 13:50.37 | [TheFlash] | sney: i would, but brasero already destroyed all my blank DVDs |
| 13:50.42 | sney | err I guess it's growisofs |
| 13:50.56 | sney | well, that's the definition of insanity, you know |
| 13:51.10 | sney | doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results |
| 13:51.20 | [TheFlash] | i only had one |
| 13:51.23 | [TheFlash] | lol |
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| 13:51.55 | sney | I have successfully burned CDs and DVDs with brasero. It sounds like it's likely a hardware issue. |
| 13:52.17 | [TheFlash] | i successfully burned CDs with it, but not DVDs |
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| 13:52.51 | sney | check the debian bts for brasero, see if anyone else reported the same issue |
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| 13:53.10 | nezZario | is 'await' = 50ms reasonable for iostat -x (e.g. avg ms waited for a i/o request) |
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| 13:53.29 | [TheFlash] | i found the same issue on redhat's bugzilla for the same version of brasero (reported for fedora 12) |
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| 13:54.01 | sney | when you have corroborating evidence like that, don't start your question with "anyone" |
| 13:54.28 | cipher__ | i purged bumblebee, deleted the conf files, removed changes to blacklists etc, and reinstalled bumblebee. (it wasn't running before). Now it runs, but does not work properly: now: http://pastie.org/4142847 .. that is also after changing /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf's driver = nvidia |
| 13:54.57 | cipher__ | it used to work fine, so it is completely possible |
| 13:55.20 | cipher__ | i got it working on this channel some time ago, i believe i had to modify my x.org conf file? |
| 13:55.41 | cipher__ | i have a xps15z optimus laptop btw |
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| 13:55.49 | sney | do you have all the relevant libmesa packages installed? |
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| 13:56.03 | cipher__ | opengl does run with my integrated card fine |
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| 13:56.07 | cipher__ | but i really need opengl 4 |
| 13:56.16 | cipher__ | not the mesa stuff : |
| 13:56.17 | cipher__ | p |
| 13:56.34 | [TheFlash] | cipher__: mesa is the driver, opengl is a framework |
| 13:56.39 | cipher__ | ah, okay |
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| 13:56.47 | cipher__ | i was told by someone mesa was essentially opengl 1.x |
| 13:57.01 | sney | that's a vast oversimplification. |
| 13:57.03 | sney | but anyway. |
| 13:57.38 | [TheFlash] | cipher__: if you need opengl 4 with hardware acceleration, you might need to use the manufacturer's driver for your card |
| 13:57.51 | sney | looks like he is already |
| 13:58.11 | sney | [TheFlash]: optimus is a legendary pain in the ass with no official linux support |
| 13:59.18 | cipher__ | some rogue package swooped by and removed most of my relevant graphic packages, i did have gl4 working with optimus a while ago |
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| 14:00.32 | cipher__ | isn't nvidia-current the proprietary driver? |
| 14:01.17 | grayghost | I am running mint lmde .. 64 ... installed ati driver ... gnome settings says I am graphic .. VESA - 10R-01 ... is this the ati driver ?? |
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| 14:01.35 | [TheFlash] | cipher__: i'm not sure which driver nvidia-current is, but you certainly need to enable the non-free repository to install the proprietary driver |
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| 14:02.02 | sney | the nvidia driver is in the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms packages from non-free |
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| 14:02.25 | sney | grayghost: this is not the Mint channel, please go to #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 14:03.49 | cipher__ | under lspci i don't even see my dedicated gpu |
| 14:03.50 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a tool to tell me how much I/O my process has taken up? I run several process and I would like to know how much network and internal disk traffic the processes takes up. |
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| 14:04.31 | jelly-home | Led_Zeppelin: atop; iotop |
| 14:04.32 | [TheFlash] | Led_Zeppelin: i use conky for that |
| 14:04.46 | cipher__ | i wish i could just turn on my dedicated card on in my bios |
| 14:05.11 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks. I use this on a distributed system like SGE so was wondering if I can wrap this into iotop or conky |
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| 14:05.37 | multiHYP | wow I have gnome3 by default! |
| 14:05.45 | multiHYP | brilliant, very good driver support too! |
| 14:05.46 | multiHYP | :D |
| 14:05.51 | cipher__ | oh wait: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0df5 (rev a1)" |
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| 14:05.55 | [TheFlash] | Led_Zeppelin: in .conkyrc, diskio_read and diskio_write can be used to measure the I/O speed |
| 14:06.05 | multiHYP | jelly-home: at last, my dream came true. |
| 14:06.18 | Led_Zeppelin | [TheFlash], can I do conky ¨somecommand¨ ? |
| 14:06.24 | Guest54859 | I've been trying for four days now to share a ppp (3g usb) over wireless. Does anyone have any good links on them? |
| 14:06.28 | [TheFlash] | Led_Zeppelin: use diskiograph_read and diskiograph_write to draw a graph |
| 14:06.38 | [TheFlash] | Led_Zeppelin: well, conky is a desktop widget |
| 14:06.42 | Led_Zeppelin | dont need any graphs just need the data :p |
| 14:06.54 | Led_Zeppelin | [TheFlash], right, i need something non-interactive. |
| 14:07.03 | Skandis | Like I get the connect and wireless up, but i'm unable to share the internet access |
| 14:07.03 | Led_Zeppelin | like some sort of wrapper. |
| 14:07.12 | [TheFlash] | Led_Zeppelin: maybe you can use iotop? |
| 14:07.12 | jelly-home | multiHYP: suspend your enthusiasm until a week passes without crashing |
| 14:07.31 | multiHYP | ok :D |
| 14:07.49 | dvs | multiHYP: gnome3 with stable? |
| 14:07.57 | cipher__ | i've been trying to fix this for 2 weeks, and its really been setting me back. if anyone could help me fix it, i'd be in your non monetary debt :) |
| 14:08.03 | multiHYP | no went straight for wheezy |
| 14:08.25 | [TheFlash] | i switched to debian because of gnome 2 |
| 14:08.35 | [TheFlash] | gnome 2 is the perfect desktop environment |
| 14:08.45 | [TheFlash] | i don't know why they decided to fix something that wasn't broken |
| 14:08.47 | dvs | not according to GNOME |
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| 14:09.08 | Skandis | I run xfce, what's good about gnome2? |
| 14:09.40 | [TheFlash] | well, xfce is good too |
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| 14:10.20 | teng | Hi, the partition that mysql is installed on has run out of disk space because one the tables has filled up and is using most of the disk space. MYSQL is no longer running as there is not enough disk space. How can I empty one of the tables? Can i delete the MYD file to remove the data or is this just a bad idea? |
| 14:11.24 | [TheFlash] | gnome 2 and xfce seem like appropriate environments for computers, gnome 3 seems like it's made for tablet PCs or smartphones... |
| 14:11.57 | [TheFlash] | it doesn't take advantage of the extra space a regular monitor has |
| 14:12.01 | jelly-home | teng: |
| 14:12.04 | jelly-home | oops |
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| 14:12.57 | jelly-home | teng: ask the #mysql channel about how sane it is to wipe just a .myd for a myisam table |
| 14:13.02 | haylo | teng i would make a new partition and dd the old partition to it. Im not sure if cat or cp would work for this, but they might. |
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| 14:13.46 | [TheFlash] | gparted can resize the partition |
| 14:14.27 | Ormie | The .deb package of Adobe Reader from the adobe site works on ubuntu, will the .deb package work on debian? |
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| 14:15.22 | haylo | Ormie, they should have particular one for debian |
| 14:15.36 | Ormie | oh, no they don't |
| 14:15.44 | Ormie | haylo, also. They don't say. |
| 14:16.11 | [TheFlash] | why do you need adobe reader? evince works fine |
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| 14:16.22 | dvs | and okular |
| 14:16.37 | haylo | I open my .pdf in firefox/ iceweasel, chromium |
| 14:16.40 | engla | in fact, evince works better because it does not have arbitrary limitations |
| 14:16.45 | teng | ok so bad idea wiping MYD |
| 14:16.49 | teng | can i use this command |
| 14:16.50 | haylo | unlikely that you dont already have one of those installed |
| 14:16.56 | teng | tune2fs -m 0 /data/ |
| 14:17.00 | jelly-home | Ormie: there's no guarantee it will work. However there's a package for acroread in d-m repo if you really need it. |
| 14:17.07 | teng | to allow me to use the space allocated for root |
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| 14:17.17 | jelly-home | Ormie: /msg dpkg d-m |
| 14:17.18 | teng | so i can empty the table i dont need/ |
| 14:17.26 | Ormie | jelly-home, ok. i'll have a look. |
| 14:17.29 | [TheFlash] | i don't recommend that, adobe reader is full of exploits |
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| 14:18.07 | haylo | teng, you made /data your self ? |
| 14:18.08 | jelly-home | and yet there are legitimate reasons to use it (like filling those .pdf forms) |
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| 14:18.44 | [TheFlash] | jelly-home: so evince can't do that? |
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| 14:18.58 | teng | haylo, no this was already implemented before i got there |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | [TheFlash]: tried pdfedit? |
| 14:19.06 | jelly-home | [TheFlash]: I have no idea about evince. Okular can't. |
| 14:19.23 | haylo | you can open them with your web browser |
| 14:19.26 | teng | but yeah /data/ is a separate partition for the mysql install |
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| 14:20.06 | [TheFlash] | i just checked, evince can do that |
| 14:20.19 | teng | sorry should it be tune2fs -m 0 /data or tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 14:20.24 | [TheFlash] | and in fact, evince can save the document with the form data, acrobat requires you to print it |
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| 14:20.44 | haylo | teng thats not how i would do it |
| 14:20.56 | haylo | just saying |
| 14:21.19 | jelly-home | teng: the latter, and don't do -m0, leave at least some space for root |
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| 14:22.19 | Ormie | squeezes debian |
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| 14:22.50 | Ormie | debian is so flexible :o |
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| 14:25.58 | Ormie | Can I ask questions about releases that are eof here? |
| 14:26.20 | dvs | gets out the stakes |
| 14:26.23 | sney | you can ask, but people might not know |
| 14:26.30 | Ormie | oh, ok |
| 14:26.35 | sney | and someone will probably hassle you for not using squeeze |
| 14:26.47 | Ormie | ok |
| 14:26.54 | Ormie | i am using squeeze, just asking... |
| 14:27.20 | jelly-home | Ormie: yes you can. |
| 14:27.32 | Ormie | ok |
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| 14:29.05 | Ormie | squeezes and squashes debian. |
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| 14:29.13 | Ormie | debian is flat. :o |
| 14:30.00 | n1md4 | hello. I've debian installed on a g4, running X, but the video is aweful. Got a GeForce4 440 Go adapter, and the open source driver. |
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| 14:31.36 | dvs | of course! It's Nvidia! ;-) |
| 14:31.55 | dick-richardson | How do I attach the output of a command as a text file? echo test | mutt me@example.com -a <(command) isn't working |
| 14:32.02 | Devastator | oh no, not nvidia vs amd again |
| 14:32.21 | intore | hi, i installed debian 6.0.5 on my laptop. is not important but i'd like to change the login window, for example GDM-lamp but i don't know how. In greeter.gconf-defaults i set the login screen background but the login window is still the same. do you know how do it please? |
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| 14:32.42 | Ormie | Devastator, a graphic card that is not so hard-core will surely run better on linux. |
| 14:33.10 | Ormie | squashes debian flat |
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| 14:33.27 | Ormie | squashes dpkg flat |
| 14:33.32 | Devastator | Ormie intel gfx runs flawlessly |
| 14:33.56 | Ormie | Devastator, only some hard-core graphic proccessor runs smoothly. |
| 14:34.42 | Ormie | Devastator, but most non hard-core graphics processors run smoothly |
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| 14:34.57 | haylo | dick-richardson, echo catsanddogs > .new_cats_and_dogs_echo_file |
| 14:35.45 | ikonia | the stability of a graphics card has nothing to do with it being "hardcore" or not |
| 14:35.48 | dick-richardson | haylo: any way to do it without leaving a file I have to clean up? |
| 14:35.52 | haylo | anyway you use redirectors not pipes |
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| 14:37.31 | Ormie | hello, i am going to report bug but, i dunno what this means: |
| 14:37.34 | Ormie | Do you have a "mail transport agent" (MTA) like Exim, Postfix or SSMTP configured on this computer to send mail to the Internet? |
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| 14:38.02 | abrotman | say no |
| 14:38.03 | kallisti | any idea what would cause X to become occasionally unresponsive while mpd is playing music? (I'm running ALSA) |
| 14:38.15 | dick-richardson | :) |
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| 14:38.20 | Ormie | abrotman, so i say no? (using gmail) |
| 14:38.47 | haylo | in order to be considered technically "hardcore" a graphics card needs to get at least , 30 billion fps per nano second |
| 14:39.02 | Ormie | nano seconds! god damn it |
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| 14:39.16 | Ormie | how about a giga second |
| 14:39.19 | dick-richardson | haylo: I'm going to need to see your source on that - I'd been lead to believe it was at least double that. |
| 14:39.50 | lcc | So long as I am only using the main repo I will be using only libre software? |
| 14:39.52 | kallisti | yes, we'll need to consult the hardcore authority on the matter. |
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| 14:40.28 | Ormie | report bug is hard to use! It needs to be improved. |
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| 14:41.04 | sney | how is it hard to use? it just asks you questions |
| 14:41.23 | dvs | !be a reportbug barbie |
| 14:41.23 | dpkg | Aww, reportbug is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 14:41.24 | sney | I guess it tries to encourage you to write a good bug report, but that's not a bad thing |
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| 14:43.31 | Ormie | sney, putting in stmpinfo is so hard for me. |
| 14:45.09 | Ormie | has anyone tried enabling compiz on debian 6? |
| 14:45.13 | sney | !anyone |
| 14:45.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:45.27 | haylo | Ormie, chances are really good that if you cant already use the system, then little usefulness will come from you filing a bug. But GNU on the other hand, you can earn totally cool GNU dollars for filing bugs |
| 14:45.39 | Ormie | ... |
| 14:45.53 | Ormie | sney, that is my real and one and only question |
| 14:46.06 | haylo | Ormie, yes |
| 14:46.13 | dick-richardson | Then you should've asked about popcorn. |
| 14:46.31 | Ormie | i shall search that in repo O.O |
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| 14:46.46 | Ormie | judd, are you the repo bot? |
| 14:46.48 | kallisti | any idea what would cause X to become occasionally unresponsive while mpd is playing music? (I'm running ALSA) |
| 14:47.16 | haylo | kallisti, you are running it from a terminal emulator? are you using ppa video drivers? |
| 14:47.59 | kallisti | running what from a terminal emulator? |
| 14:48.10 | haylo | mpd |
| 14:48.31 | kallisti | it spawns from my .xsession file. |
| 14:48.44 | kallisti | its log file is empty |
| 14:48.51 | haylo | and you added sleep && before it ? |
| 14:49.01 | kallisti | not sure how to check if I'm ussing ppa drivers. |
| 14:49.10 | kallisti | haylo: hm? no. |
| 14:49.38 | haylo | kallisti, some things work better if not all started at the same time |
| 14:49.43 | haylo | sleep is a tool |
| 14:50.03 | kallisti | well alsa is definitely started before mpd, if that's the concern. |
| 14:50.10 | haylo | sleep -n20 && blah blah |
| 14:50.31 | kallisti | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.35 | kallisti | here's my .xsession |
| 14:50.39 | haylo | i think in this case its frm X getting started at the same time. you have fglrx installed as well? |
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| 14:50.50 | pparadis | haylo: the correct usage for sleep is "sleep 20" |
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| 14:51.08 | haylo | ah thanks pparadis , sorry kallisti |
| 14:51.26 | kallisti | haylo: not that I'm aware of |
| 14:52.40 | haylo | kallisti, these guys will help you, im just a citizen / user |
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| 14:53.16 | pparadis | kallisti: do you notice these unresponsive periods at any particular interval, such as when a new audio file starts playing? |
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| 14:53.55 | kallisti | pparadis: no it occurs in the middle of a track. if I press my pause key it immediately becomes responsive. |
| 14:54.22 | kallisti | it doesn't seem to have a pattern to it. none that I've noticed. |
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| 14:54.35 | pparadis | kallisti: you might try running htop or whatnot in a terminal and see if you CPU utilization also happens to spike way up when it happens. |
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| 14:55.12 | Ormie | that's weird... |
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| 14:55.24 | Ormie | my C compiler (gcc) can't create executables. |
| 14:55.48 | ompaul | it can - it has been since 1983 or so |
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| 14:56.11 | pparadis | kallisti: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Tuning |
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| 14:56.14 | Ormie | ompaul: configure:3651: error: in `/home/suttiwit/Downloads/aria2-1.15.1': |
| 14:56.15 | Ormie | configure:3653: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 14:56.18 | kallisti | pparadis: primary user of CPU at the moment is recordmydesktop |
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| 14:56.31 | kallisti | so that could be slowing things down |
| 14:56.59 | ompaul | Ormie: gcc -v <<< pastebin that |
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| 14:57.23 | pparadis | kallisti: certainly, epsecially things like desktop session video recording can take a heavy toll. that mpd tuning link may be worth looking at anyhow, though. |
| 14:57.53 | pparadis | kallisti: if i'd known you were doing that at the same time, i would have mentioned it as a likely candidate :) |
| 14:58.03 | kallisti | I kind of forgot about it. :P |
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| 14:58.34 | calrogman | Can anybody here point me towards a decent USB 4G wireless modem that uses CDC ACM? |
| 14:58.37 | Ormie | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/176091/ |
| 14:58.59 | jpate | hey y'all, about how many packages are installed in a basic debian squeeze install? |
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| 14:59.11 | ompaul | Ormie: that will work, now perhaps your config file is not what you think it is |
| 14:59.18 | Ormie | ... |
| 14:59.33 | Ormie | ompaul, it's a source .tar ball o.o |
| 15:00.40 | ompaul | have you read that and no o.o doesn't make me impressed http://aria.pasteur.fr/downloads/installation-notes-2.2 |
| 15:01.40 | pparadis | jpate: a minimal netinstall with basic system utilities and an openssh server comes in under 1 GB of disk. |
| 15:01.46 | Ormie | oh, didn't notice. |
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| 15:02.40 | Ormie | judd, granola |
| 15:02.43 | Ormie | ? |
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| 15:03.06 | Ormie | where's the bot to check the repo? |
| 15:03.32 | jpate | pparadis: thanks. I'm trying to get a debian chroot on my tablet so I can use latex, and it's up to almost 600 packages for the basic install. Looks like something has gone wrong... |
| 15:04.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Ormie about judd |
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| 15:09.02 | ksm | I think the i915 kernel module hates me. |
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| 15:09.34 | ksm | It seems to crash every morning at a certain time, and my window manager falls back to xfwm4 |
| 15:09.58 | Ormie | tux hates you |
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| 15:10.05 | ksm | :( |
| 15:10.10 | Ormie | ksm, every morning? |
| 15:10.12 | Tux | derp |
| 15:10.18 | Ormie | only in the range of morning |
| 15:10.20 | ksm | Ormie: well, for the past 4 mornings |
| 15:10.34 | ksm | it seems to happen between 5-8 am |
| 15:10.41 | Ormie | Tux, oh. sorry for poking you. Didn't know there is such nick. :P |
| 15:10.47 | ksm | while the laptop is closed |
| 15:10.50 | Tux | lol |
| 15:10.52 | ksm | also: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a30b1d68/ |
| 15:11.08 | ksm | I get pagefulls of "gpu hung" errors |
| 15:11.48 | Ormie | it's a problem with your GPU and the something must have happen while you stand by and GPU did something you don't want to. |
| 15:12.00 | Ormie | I don't know how to explain, this is the clearest i can say. |
| 15:12.41 | ksm | Well, I have my laptop not to sleep when closed, but just to lock the screen after a certain amount of time |
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| 15:13.06 | Ormie | then GPU screwed up when your screen is locked. |
| 15:13.10 | ksm | when I wake it up, it either glitches on the lock screen, hangs, or when I unlock it, all my windows are screwed |
| 15:13.19 | ksm | But it only seems to happen when it's closed |
| 15:13.42 | Ormie | of course, alot of things happen when lid is close that you don't know. |
| 15:13.47 | ksm | I've had this before, but then I kept trying different versions of xserver-xorg-video-intel, which provides i915 |
| 15:13.57 | ksm | it only ever happens when closed |
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| 15:14.06 | Ormie | what GPU r u using? |
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| 15:14.24 | ksm | It's some intel HDA or something |
| 15:14.36 | ksm | I haven't been able to find the model number |
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| 15:14.55 | ksm | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 15:15.03 | ksm | says lcpci -vv |
| 15:15.10 | jelly-home | ksm: what about lspci -nn? |
| 15:15.22 | dioz | what is it in? |
| 15:15.24 | jelly-home | (ie. what's the pci id) |
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| 15:16.40 | ksm | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02) |
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| 15:17.14 | jelly-home | ,xorg 8086:0046 |
| 15:17.15 | judd | Device 8086:0046 is not matched by any xorg drivers in squeeze or sid. |
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| 15:17.35 | jelly-home | that's unusual |
| 15:17.47 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:0046 |
| 15:17.48 | judd | [8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046 |
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| 15:18.50 | Ormie | uh |
| 15:18.59 | dioz | if it's gma 600 |
| 15:19.03 | Ormie | where is the system settings? |
| 15:19.04 | dioz | there's no linux support |
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| 15:20.27 | ksm | Well when I first went to testing, it worked pretty okay |
| 15:20.37 | ksm | then I had the once in a while crash |
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| 15:21.13 | ksm | I did an apt-cache search for i915 was the only thing that came up |
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| 15:21.47 | ksm | so I just installed it, and now it's just been getting worse |
| 15:22.09 | ksm | I've tried about 7 different versions and all of them either don't install properly or crash as well |
| 15:22.12 | Ormie | this is weird, on the "System" menu on top, there should be the settings you can set your computer, but i don't have it... |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 15:24.01 | ksm | dawud: so what do I do? |
| 15:24.36 | ksm | erm, dioz * |
| 15:24.48 | dioz | install a OS with supported drivers |
| 15:24.53 | dioz | ie windows 7 |
| 15:25.03 | dioz | i tried for about a week to get linux to work with gma 600 intel |
| 15:25.06 | dioz | gl hf |
| 15:25.20 | dioz | i know meego cedar trails has support |
| 15:25.29 | dioz | but... meego no longer is develop |
| 15:25.43 | ksm | well it 'works', it just crashes often |
| 15:25.54 | dioz | power management features are lacking too |
| 15:26.14 | dioz | and if it's a laptop things like suspend on lidclose don't work |
| 15:26.23 | ksm | they do work |
| 15:26.27 | ksm | I have it turned off |
| 15:26.28 | dioz | okay buddy |
| 15:26.31 | dioz | you tell me what's up |
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| 15:27.03 | Devastator | ksm you can try to file a bugreport and see what they answer |
| 15:27.08 | ksm | I have suspend on lid close turned off as I often leave things running and dont want my laptop open all night |
| 15:27.41 | ksm | it's just that i915 has been crashing at an increasing rate for the past months with each newer version I try |
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| 15:28.08 | ksm | it either crashes when I try to open it and unlock the screen or just before |
| 15:28.22 | dioz | does it artifact? |
| 15:28.26 | ksm | I've been wondering if it isn't something with my lock screen |
| 15:28.36 | ksm | not really |
| 15:28.40 | ksm | it more uh |
| 15:29.04 | ksm | Sometimes it flickers, sometimes it "erases downward" |
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| 15:29.21 | Ormie | What did i miss?! |
| 15:29.21 | ksm | I don't know how to describe the second one really |
| 15:29.38 | Ormie | Thanks to that error that i have to reboot |
| 15:29.39 | ompaul | nothing |
| 15:29.46 | Ormie | this is weird, on the "System" menu on top, there should be the settings you can set your computer, but i don't have it... |
| 15:30.04 | Ormie | so, how do i go to system settings? |
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| 15:30.19 | ksm | Ormie: right click on the desktop? |
| 15:30.23 | Devastator | Ormie gnome? kde? |
| 15:30.32 | Ormie | gnome 2 |
| 15:30.37 | abrotman | you don't have gnome2 in wheezy |
| 15:30.57 | Ormie | i use squeeze |
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| 15:31.04 | abrotman | you ewre using wheezy a few hours ago |
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| 15:31.16 | Ormie | abrotman, forget about it |
| 15:31.24 | Ormie | now, i am squeeze. |
| 15:31.27 | ompaul | Ormie: you have done something to your system, you have not told us what you have done, you have mixed things up or worse, it is too hard to help someone like that |
| 15:31.31 | ksm | Well I'm going to reboot and edit my lock screen and see if that helps and then come back another day with whatever I find |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | decides Ormie is causing his own issues |
| 15:31.48 | Ormie | i screwed thing up |
| 15:31.49 | ompaul | +1 |
| 15:31.56 | abrotman | Ormie: you keep screwing things up |
| 15:32.04 | _daniel | hey all :) i have noob question :) |
| 15:32.09 | _daniel | I have server with Areca RAID Controller…. i'm trying to install debian squeeze amd64 on it. I have 3 raid volume sets on Areca. first 580G for boot … second 3,6T and third 7,6T …. but debian partitioner showing 3 disks …. 600G 500G 1000G …. and thats not what i expected lol |
| 15:32.12 | ompaul | Ormie: clue, fresh install, nice and clean. Do nothing :-) and it won't break |
| 15:32.21 | Ormie | ok |
| 15:32.41 | ompaul | when you have that, you can learn lots about how debian works and not feel so lost |
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| 15:33.01 | dioz | so fresh and so clean so clean |
| 15:33.02 | Ormie | ompaul, are you using squeeze? |
| 15:33.27 | ompaul | Ormie: no, I generally don't run stable for my own use, I support my colleagues using it |
| 15:33.33 | Cyclohexane | if your running a minimal install but need to update/upgrade how do you keep it minimal (i was on 9mb ram) then i update and upgrade and it jumped to 120mb ram xDD |
| 15:33.38 | Ormie | ok |
| 15:33.43 | haylo | Ormie, im on debian stable |
| 15:33.47 | ompaul | Ormie: I don't run wheezy either - I run sid but then I've been on this for years |
| 15:33.56 | haylo | its nice for low core temperatures |
| 15:33.57 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: what makes you think it's using 120MB ? |
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| 15:34.08 | dioz | _daniel: debian partitioner = the partitioner during the install? |
| 15:34.12 | Cyclohexane | free -m says 122mb ram in use |
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| 15:34.17 | _daniel | dioz .. yes |
| 15:34.20 | Ormie | haylo, can you send me a screenshot of the "System" menu activating, please? |
| 15:34.21 | Cyclohexane | before i updated it said 9 |
| 15:34.45 | pparadis | Cyclohexane: please pastebin the output of "free -m" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:35.00 | haylo | Ormie, i use a debian netinstal and then install my own desktop. in this case its dwm |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | !tell Cyclohexane about free ram |
| 15:35.08 | Ormie | oh |
| 15:35.14 | Ormie | k |
| 15:36.40 | Guest43680 | hi I got a question does anyone one have a direct link to download Debian 6 KDE or XFCE? I am on the web site but the default is Gnome and I can't tell where the other KDE or xfce are it not an easy site to find stuff.... |
| 15:36.41 | haylo | Ormie, if you PM me sometime, i will walk you through a debian netsinstall, if you would like |
| 15:37.02 | abrotman | Guest43680: they're in the same directory |
| 15:37.04 | Ormie | pparadis, isn't this your desktop: http://www.palegray.net/tutorials/debian-6-kvm-howto/images/debian-desktop-install-32-users-groups.jpg |
| 15:37.10 | Cyclohexane | pparadis: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d54ba3c7/ |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: see what the bot told you about free ram |
| 15:37.38 | Cyclohexane | i did |
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| 15:38.09 | abrotman | okay, so your situation hasn't changed |
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| 15:38.27 | Guest43680 | abrotman I do not see then all i see is 4 option not KDE my choices are Full cd/dvd light cd or direct download or torrent |
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| 15:39.17 | abrotman | Guest43680: Same directory, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ .. scroll to the bottom |
| 15:39.34 | Guest43680 | oh gotcah thank you |
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| 15:40.20 | abrotman | or amd64 or whatever you need |
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| 15:42.06 | EagleScreen | do I need invitation for #debian-next ? |
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| 15:42.45 | Devastator | EagleScreen you should go to #debian-next in oftc |
| 15:42.49 | calrogman | No, you just need to be on the right server. |
| 15:42.49 | Devastator | here is closed |
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| 15:42.51 | abrotman | EagleScreen: on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:43.01 | abrotman | EagleScreen: but you can ask here also |
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| 15:43.32 | EagleScreen | how well is working current Debian esting is it usable enought? |
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| 15:43.58 | EagleScreen | I want take a look to the future |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | EagleScreen: for what task? |
| 15:44.27 | EagleScreen | daily home usage |
| 15:44.43 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: no.... if it were usable, it'd be released as usable. |
| 15:44.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:44.58 | nkuttler | EagleScreen: it's broken |
| 15:45.09 | abrotman | EagleScreen: it has some quirksl, but generally it's okay |
| 15:45.21 | EagleScreen | it is broken just now? |
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| 15:46.21 | jelly-home | a stable release happening is a good measure of usability for... a normal user. Use testing if you're a seasoned debian and linux power user to expert, and can fix and help fixing issues. |
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| 15:46.52 | jelly-home | (or work around them and rant about it, like most of the people here do) |
| 15:47.02 | jelly-home | s/most/many/ |
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| 15:47.30 | EagleScreen | ok so not major/criticla issues now? |
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| 15:47.47 | abrotman | did they fix the fglrx stuff yet? |
| 15:47.50 | Debolaz | It would be nice if someone created a rolling Debian derivative based on testing, but with more sanity checks. |
| 15:47.51 | EagleScreen | I now I will find bugs |
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| 15:48.09 | nkuttler | abrotman: nah |
| 15:48.13 | abrotman | !tell Debolaz about debian cut |
| 15:48.21 | abrotman | nkuttler: seriously still broken?! |
| 15:48.25 | EagleScreen | there is something similar based on Sid, it is called Aptosid |
| 15:48.28 | abrotman | well, at least AMD provides some specs |
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| 15:48.33 | nkuttler | abrotman: i think we're waiting for an upstream xorg update |
| 15:48.40 | abrotman | EagleScreen: it's not called that anmyore, and it's not supported here |
| 15:48.49 | abrotman | nkuttler: i thought they were waiting on an AMD update? |
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| 15:49.01 | nkuttler | abrotman: or that.. something upstream anyway |
| 15:49.03 | EagleScreen | abrotman: did thay change the name again? |
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| 15:49.18 | abrotman | i thought 1.12 had changed some ABI, but AMD didn't do anything before it arrived |
| 15:49.29 | ompaul | EagleScreen: no they didn't |
| 15:49.33 | abrotman | EagleScreen: ah, who knows .. still offtopic here |
| 15:49.59 | abrotman | Debolaz: and you can't really base it on testing because testing freezes, thus stops rolling |
| 15:50.05 | ompaul | +1 for the offtopic |
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| 15:52.15 | skramer | hi - I'm trying to get my audio volume keys to work in debian unstable with gnome 3.4 - audio seems to work fine, and changing volume in the panel applet, and in alsamixer from the terminal is also fine |
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| 15:52.48 | skramer | the keys are picked up fine in the control center's keyboard short cut configuration and also in xev |
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| 15:53.08 | skramer | any ideas, pointers? |
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| 15:53.10 | Debolaz | abrotman: Well, I certainly see the issue there. All I'm saying is that a lot of people seems to want a rolling release, and it probably doesn't have to be perfect, just intended for that so people aren't yelled at for using dev stuff if they run into problems. :) cut looks interesting. |
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| 16:02.57 | matlock | hey anyone using audacious? |
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| 16:03.27 | ompaul | matlock: I have been known to |
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| 16:03.42 | calrogman | Ooh, desktop-base 7.0.0~exp2 just popped up in Experimental. |
| 16:03.51 | matlock | ok. Song change plugin |
| 16:03.58 | matlock | i want it to run a script when the song changes |
| 16:04.04 | matlock | when i'm listening to a network stream |
| 16:04.14 | matlock | i tried using the 'when title changes' box |
| 16:04.18 | matlock | but nothing happens |
| 16:04.43 | ompaul | let me get some plugins |
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| 16:05.39 | matlock | using Audacious 2.3 [Debian package] |
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| 16:07.34 | ompaul | matlock: I'll need to go get a stream back shortly |
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| 16:09.10 | matlock | I'm using http://87.118.78.17:2410 |
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| 16:11.00 | matlock | Basically it won't run any command i put in that box at all |
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| 16:12.29 | jubo2 | shukran shukran FOSS devels |
| 16:13.04 | ompaul | matlock: I'm on 3.2.3 and I see the same - I'd guess we are doing it wrong |
| 16:13.16 | matlock | lol |
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| 16:15.24 | jubo2 | I got the touchpad algos working finally.. now I am such a happy GUI camper with Debian GNU/Linux ( or linukka as it's termed endearingly in fi. ) 6.0 Squeeze / KDE / Compiz |
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| 16:18.23 | jubo2 | the thing required manually setting /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. the autodetection was persistently brokeh |
| 16:19.30 | jubo2 | ♥ FOSS right now |
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| 16:21.15 | ompaul | jubo2: and in two minutes it will be proprietary? |
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| 16:23.56 | sakal | hi, how can I collect system information about my debian and some package? |
| 16:24.27 | mjmt | sakal: dpkg -s packagename ? |
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| 16:39.35 | Pymous | Hey ! Small question : How can I know what daemon is using my swap ? please :) |
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| 16:41.58 | jelly-home | Pymous: top, press capital M, observe processes with large usage of both RES and VSZ |
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| 16:42.40 | jelly-home | it's not exactly what you're after but there's usually a decent correlation |
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| 16:43.40 | calrogman | Porting mumble to OpenBSD shouldn't be too hard. It's already in FreeBSD's ports. |
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| 16:44.30 | jawr | does anyone know what happened to cgconfig.conf in wheezy? |
| 16:44.42 | calrogman | Heh, wrong chan... |
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| 16:48.55 | grandie | got a gnome question is there a special channel i need to go to? |
| 16:49.36 | Fence | grandie: /j #gnome |
| 16:49.44 | Fence | :) |
| 16:50.12 | grandie | Fence: thanks! |
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| 17:03.07 | bakaneko | j |
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| 17:05.15 | phorce1_home | random question. Need to grab a big file from the office. Faster to just use scp or ssh in and move the file to a location I can use http? |
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| 17:05.52 | jawr | scp it :D |
| 17:05.53 | Woet | phorce1_home: http is faster since it's not encrypted and would have gzip if you have enabled it |
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| 17:06.36 | Woet | and I believe some buffers in openssh/scp limit throughput |
| 17:06.47 | phorce1_home | Woet: thx. It's an AVI I cretaed using my phone. gzip probably won't help much |
| 17:06.58 | Woet | if security doesn't matter, use http |
| 17:07.02 | jawr | if you wanted to compress it, you could pipe it through gun/bunzip and then over ssh |
| 17:07.05 | JoeHazzers | what codec are you using? |
| 17:07.55 | phorce1_home | JoeHazzers: errrr, whatever I found as a suggestion on google the day I created it? heh |
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| 17:08.03 | JoeHazzers | oh, okay |
| 17:08.54 | nezZario | ok |
| 17:09.02 | nezZario | is there any package that provides 'mtree'? |
| 17:09.02 | phorce1_home | I'll ssh to the box and see how much bzip can squash it |
| 17:09.39 | nezZario | i can't find it.. i found this: http://man.flashnux.com/en/debian/6/6.0.1/man5/mtree.5.html |
| 17:09.56 | nezZario | so, .. i assume it's somewhere out there.. i'd obviously rather not have to compile it myself |
| 17:10.20 | JoeHazzers | if you're dealing with video, you're better off choosing something like h264 in the first place |
| 17:11.41 | jawr | phorce1_home: cat file | bunzip2 -z - | ssh home "bunzip2 -d - > file" |
| 17:12.02 | jawr | do it all in one go |
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| 17:12.58 | engla | jawr: you can say bzip2 - and bunzip2 - , it's kind of confusing otherwise |
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| 17:14.31 | jawr | different ways of doing ofc, that was just an example |
| 17:15.28 | jawr | anyone know about cgroups in wheezy? |
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| 17:15.52 | phorce1_home | JoeHazzers: I was just experimenting with converting a 3g2 from my old droid to avi. My new droid saves 1080p mp4 files |
| 17:15.56 | jawr | certain features in libvirt depend on it :( |
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| 17:19.17 | phorce1_home | jawr: I just bzip'd the file on the office machine with -9 and it saved less than 10%. Not a compressable format. Faster to just transfer the file. |
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| 17:20.02 | jawr | how big is it? |
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| 17:20.45 | phorce1_home | about 100Meg and it compressed down to about 92meg |
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| 17:21.24 | n0am | hi apt-get is looking in /usr/local/lib how to force it to /usr/lib? |
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| 17:21.44 | jacobw | apt-get is looking for what in /usr/local/lib? |
| 17:21.54 | n0am | libstdc++ |
| 17:22.33 | n0am | i compiled a different gcc from source and it resides in /usr/local |
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| 17:23.07 | nezZario | if the server is decent gzip -4 shouldn't slow things down |
| 17:23.11 | n0am | now somehow it has changed systems paraters i trie dto find references in /etc/profile |
| 17:23.13 | nezZario | it'll still compress a little |
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| 17:24.16 | n0am | apt-get is trying to find version info of glibc |
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| 17:24.42 | n0am | apt-get update fails like anything else |
| 17:24.42 | justin | n0am: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf ? |
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| 17:24.52 | n0am | justing i looked there |
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| 17:25.39 | n0am | justin it says /usr/local/lib what i did is put /usr/lib there followed by /usr/local/lib |
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| 17:26.28 | justin | n0am: no |
| 17:26.54 | justin | n0am: comment out /usr/local/lib if it is breaking things |
| 17:27.03 | n0am | justin it is fixed now indeed |
| 17:27.28 | n0am | justin i took usr/local out |
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| 17:28.11 | Guest61 | hi, does anyone know a tool to check for corrpted files? filesystem has broken, fsck -y made a lot of things and now many files, especially settings files in ~/.* folders seem to be invalid or incomplete or otherwise broken |
| 17:28.34 | n0am | thanks |
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| 17:28.58 | Guest61 | need to know which files I have to restore from a backup |
| 17:29.33 | justin | Guest61: can your backup software just tell you that? |
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| 17:32.12 | justin | duplicity for example has a 'verify' command that can tell you what files are different from your backup |
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| 17:33.49 | Fence | if someone wanted to extend the life of a debian release, how much work would be involved in that? |
| 17:33.53 | Guest61 | backup is with dd |
| 17:33.58 | Guest61 | no extra infos |
| 17:34.19 | Guest61 | and files are not same version, about 2 weeks old |
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| 17:35.44 | justin | Guest61: dd is a pretty terrible way to backup a system :) |
| 17:36.00 | justin | Guest61: though you can mount the disk image and use diff off of that |
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| 17:36.54 | Guest61 | diff would return all files, because they have changed in this 2 weeks |
| 17:37.38 | Guest61 | and manually search is terrible, so maybe there is a tool for checking file corruption or something? |
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| 17:40.31 | Guest61 | like xml files that contain not-valid xml, ascii-based file types that contain a big block of \0, something like that? |
| 17:41.07 | phorce1_home | Fence: backporting every security related patch that is released. No way to do it since old-kernelo security patches stop happening |
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| 17:42.57 | Guest61 | justin: suggestion for a good backup software? ;) |
| 17:43.49 | craigevil | Guest61, http://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
| 17:45.10 | Fence | phorce1_home: thanks for answering my question. |
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| 17:45.58 | antiisolo | hi, my network-manager icon was showing a red circle with white line, so i restarted, and now its not even appearing, and not connecting to wireless. I am currently using ethernet, and when I run apt-get install network-manager-gnome, i get this error "network-manager : Breaks: network-manager-gnome (< 0.8.2) but 0.8.1-2 is to be installed |
| 17:46.03 | antiisolo | " |
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| 17:46.39 | dvs | ,v network-manager-gnome |
| 17:46.40 | judd | Package: network-manager-gnome on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4-2~bpo60+1; experimental: 0.9.4.1-1exp1; sid: 0.9.4.1-1+b1; wheezy: 0.9.4.1-1+b1 |
| 17:46.41 | Nik05 | hey |
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| 17:46.55 | Nik05 | do i need to file a bug when i see a typo? :P |
| 17:47.53 | dvs | antiisolo: Looks like you want to install the backports version |
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| 17:49.14 | antiisolo | dvs: I still get the same error, then it says E: Broken Packages |
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| 17:50.11 | dvs | antiisolo: paste "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" and the error message to paste.debian.net |
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| 17:50.53 | antiisolo | dvs: ok thanks |
| 17:52.44 | antiisolo | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/176108/ |
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| 17:53.36 | dvs | antiisolo: network-manager-gnome is not installed |
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| 17:57.28 | antiisolo | my issue is, i used aptitude to install nvidia alternative drivers, it worked, but noticed my wireless bars was a red circle with white line. I decided to reboot, but now it doesn't display at all, and the wireless doesn't work. I tried /etc/init.d/network-manager start but it says its already running |
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| 17:58.15 | antiisolo | (sorry, new to linux) |
| 17:59.38 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.20 | antiisolo | craigevil: I have tried that, with no luck. |
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| 18:01.29 | Somelauw | In ubuntu when using the update-manager I could see a list of changes. Can I see such a list using aptitude as well? |
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| 18:03.29 | dvs | antiisolo: What's in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 18:04.19 | Somelauw | Pressing C displays a popup "Download queue destroyed". |
| 18:04.57 | antiisolo | dvs: just auto lo |
| 18:04.57 | antiisolo | iface lo inet static |
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| 18:05.21 | dvs | Well, at least that's good |
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| 18:14.09 | peterrooney | here's something I haven't seen before: while running aptitude in an xterm, how do I select text with the mouse? |
| 18:14.37 | dvs | peterrooney: you need to install gpm for that. |
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| 18:22.55 | peterrooney | dvs: it was already running. |
| 18:23.22 | dvs | then it should just work |
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| 18:26.17 | kbarka | i accidentally chown -R'd /var/ to a user |
| 18:26.21 | kbarka | how2fix |
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| 18:33.14 | jelly-home | kbarka: you don't have a backup to chown --reference from? |
| 18:33.52 | kbarka | jelly-home: that.... was the backup box |
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| 18:37.54 | jelly-home | kbarka: I'm not sure reinstalling all the relevant packages would fix the directories. You can clone the installation on a temporary machine, then copy the permissions off that, for non-user data like mysql and most of the stuff. For user data like crontabs, at jobs (/var/spool/cron/...) and mail (/var/mail/...) you'll have to chown it back to their respective users/ |
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| 18:51.21 | Somelauw | In ubuntu when using the update-manager I could see a list of changes. Can I see such a list using aptitude as well? Pressing C displays a popup "Download queue destroyed". |
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| 18:52.31 | craigevil | install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:56.39 | ompaul | Somelauw: you want #ubuntu that is a different channel |
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| 18:58.25 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 18:58.35 | Nik05 | which mplayer is better, mplayer or mplayer2? |
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| 19:00.47 | haylo | in my experience programs tend to not really get better. Just libraries and systems change and so the programs adapt to go along with them. Nik05 |
| 19:01.08 | Nik05 | ok |
| 19:01.17 | Nik05 | which one do you prefer? :P |
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| 19:01.48 | boudiccas | Nik05: vlc |
| 19:01.53 | haylo | vlc |
| 19:01.55 | Nik05 | no i hate vlc... |
| 19:02.05 | Nik05 | lol |
| 19:02.16 | haylo | and i use mpg123 to play mp3 files |
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| 19:02.46 | haylo | its just a little command line tool that has shuffle type features |
| 19:02.58 | Somelauw | cvlc? |
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| 19:03.33 | Somelauw | which is vlc but just the video |
| 19:04.13 | boudiccas | ,versions cvlc |
| 19:04.14 | judd | No package named 'cvlc' was found in i386. |
| 19:04.25 | Nik05 | and not on amd64 |
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| 19:06.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, so I've got a video recorded from VCR to DVD. How do I take the continuous chapter and re-chapterize it with a menu and title? |
| 19:06.12 | jhutchins_lt | Is tovid still the best tool? |
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| 19:09.37 | msdaisy | can someone please point me to the documentation on how to add /sbin to /etc/profile? I'm trying to get bash to actually function, which apparently it doesn't by default. |
| 19:10.31 | metasansana | can anyone tell me what this is http://pastebin.com/wQVHdtik ? |
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| 19:11.23 | matt7676 | What tool should one use for creating an iso image from files in folder? Looks like mkisofs is not available: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p5615 |
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| 19:14.03 | loome | if I want to find all instances of the word "lf" in a file "foo" where lf has a space after it, and the characters preceding it are *not* A-Z or a-z, how would I do it? |
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| 19:14.38 | Nik05 | msdaisy why is bash not functioning? |
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| 19:15.11 | jelly-home | loome: what if the line begins with a "lf ", is that acceptable? |
| 19:15.43 | loome | jelly-home: that is one example of a good case I want included in the resutls, yes |
| 19:15.52 | loome | but [lf ] also is |
| 19:16.01 | jelly-home | loome: also, what if the lf is at the end of the line, no space after it? |
| 19:16.18 | LoraxEleven | if i remember correctly, the dd command works best for creating iso's - matt7676 |
| 19:16.41 | loome | jelly-home: hm, actually that's also acceptable. I guess then that after lf, the only condition is it be a non A-Z, a-z char as well |
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| 19:17.29 | kbarka | is there a way to see all files installed by a certain package? |
| 19:17.41 | jelly-home | loome: you can use gnu grep's (actually, posix regex) \b to search for word boundaries. so grep '\blf\b' foo |
| 19:18.01 | jelly-home | erm. match, not search for |
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| 19:18.25 | jelly-home | loome: howEVER. That would exclude 123lf123 |
| 19:18.34 | loome | jelly-home: hm, what's the difference in semantics there? match == search as far as I see there |
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| 19:18.59 | wuffi600 | !fglrx |
| 19:19.00 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:19.19 | jhutchins_lt | What's the tool tlat lets you ask "why is <foo> not in squeeze? |
| 19:19.24 | loome | jelly-home: hm ok, that's acceptable -- but as an exercising of consummating curiosity, what if numeric characters were not allowed either? |
| 19:19.46 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: there is none, but you can ask dpkg about why is <foo> not in testing |
| 19:19.46 | wuffi600 | !fglrx dkms |
| 19:19.46 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 19:20.03 | rofer | Can someone help me with a keyboard issue? After using my laptop for a little while my builtin keyboard starts taking really long (~1 second) to register keyboard events. If I switch to a text console or use a USB keyboard I don't have this issue. |
| 19:20.04 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: thx |
| 19:20.21 | rofer | I don't know where to start on fixing this |
| 19:20.59 | msdaisy | Nik05, terminal doesn't recognize any commands: apt-get, ifconfig, nano... I get "command not found" How do I get terminal to run commands? |
| 19:21.26 | msdaisy | I've got a newly-installed default debian machine btw Nik05 |
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| 19:21.41 | drags | msdaisy: 'nano' gives command not found? |
| 19:21.46 | msdaisy | yup |
| 19:21.54 | drags | try 'which nano', any output? |
| 19:21.58 | jelly-home | loome: then you'd have to split the regex into multiple parts, I guess: ^lt[^[:alpha:]] to find the beginning of line, [^[:alpha:]]lt[^[:alpha:]] for the middle of the line, and [^[:alpha:]]lt$ for the end of the line |
| 19:22.08 | \Jan | bad $PATH? |
| 19:22.09 | drags | also do 'echo $PATH' and copy paste that one line here |
| 19:22.37 | msdaisy | echo $PATH = /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/sbin |
| 19:22.49 | jelly-home | loome: then aggregate it to one search term: grep -E '^lt[^[:alpha:]]|[^[:alpha:]]lt[^[:alpha:]]|[^[:alpha:]]lt$' foo |
| 19:22.53 | jelly-home | loome: isn't it lovely |
| 19:23.00 | forgotten | hi all i have a intel link 1000 wireless card, it says it is supported via the firmware-iwlwifi package which i installed and sucessfully am able to modprobe, but no device ever shows up in ifconfig or iwconfig, any ideas? |
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| 19:23.40 | drags | msdaisy: that should be fine.. apt-get lives in /usr/bi |
| 19:23.42 | drags | bin* |
| 19:23.54 | msdaisy | and yet it won't run. |
| 19:23.55 | DelTree | specific subversion of the card vs release of debian ? |
| 19:24.05 | loome | jelly-home: if you don't mind, I have one question -- looking at this page here: http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/regexpr.html, it says to get "any line with at least one letter" you would do grep '[a-zA-Z]' -- but to get "anything not a letter or number" you would do grep '[^a-zA-Z0-9]. Your usage gives me the idea that ^ means to match at beginning of line... but in the latter example I just pasted, it amounts to a "not" modifier |
| 19:24.08 | drags | try '/usr/bin/apt-get -h' |
| 19:24.23 | boudiccas | msdaisy: is it installed? apt-get i mean? |
| 19:24.38 | drags | boudiccas: assumedly a fresh debian install includes apt-get :) |
| 19:24.53 | msdaisy | I didn't install it. But ifconfig and nano don't run either boudiccas |
| 19:25.11 | jelly-home | loome: ^ means different things: outside of ^, it matches beginning of line. as a first character in [...], it reverses the meaning |
| 19:25.13 | boudiccas | drags: but we dont know what version of debian, it might be sid for all we know |
| 19:25.35 | drags | msdaisy: try '/usr/bin/apt-get -h' and see if you get the apt-get help output |
| 19:25.49 | drags | also try 'ls -l /usr/bin/nano' and paste that one line here as well |
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| 19:26.20 | drags | boudiccas: admittedly it's been 9 months since I worked with sid.. did debian introduce a new package system and immediately remove apt from sid? |
| 19:26.23 | loome | jelly-home: also, is «grep '[:alpha:]' foo» basically equivalent to «grep '[A-Za-z]' foo»? |
| 19:26.23 | jelly-home | loome: so [[:alpha:]] means exactly one letter (same as [A-Za-z] IF you're using us-ascii or C locale) |
| 19:26.47 | boudiccas | drags: no idea, i've never worked with sid |
| 19:26.54 | drags | ... |
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| 19:27.57 | drags | boudiccas: until they change package managers (if there ever is a reason to) apt will ship with all versions of debian. debian installs itself using apt :) |
| 19:27.59 | jelly-home | loome: other locale settings might match more than just A-Z and a-z in [[:alpha:]] äöñçšđ |
| 19:28.10 | loome | jelly-home: hmm, ok. Thanks -- I want to look more into this (hopefully with lots of example). Do you've any recommendations for a text/book/resource? |
| 19:28.11 | msdaisy | drags and boudiccas - I've got apt-get installed. /usr/bin/apt-get -h gives a man-page of sorts. |
| 19:28.18 | drags | (it bootstraps a basic linux setup containting apt and then uses apt to install the rest of the system) |
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| 19:28.59 | jelly-home | loome: hm. man 7 regex will tell you what GNU grep can use. |
| 19:29.13 | drags | msdaisy: hmm |
| 19:29.26 | loome | jelly-home: I know about the man commands, but what does putting 7 in the middle there do? |
| 19:29.32 | msdaisy | and ls -l of nano gives me = lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 24 00:34 /usr/bin/nano -> /bin/nano. So I should be able to su for it. |
| 19:29.33 | drags | (one sec, realized I don't know how to check shell from inside shell) |
| 19:30.00 | jelly-home | loome: it picks the manual section. man man shows with sections exist |
| 19:30.21 | drags | msdaisy try just 'bash', which will re-initialize your shell |
| 19:30.26 | drags | then try 'apt-get -h' |
| 19:30.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mencoder |
| 19:30.41 | judd | Package: mencoder on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.2squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120324-0.0; sid-multimedia: |
| 19:30.42 | judd | 3:1.0~rc4+svn20120430-dmo1 |
| 19:30.49 | msdaisy | what do you mean, type 'bash' in a shell drags ? |
| 19:30.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions transcode |
| 19:30.57 | judd | Package: transcode on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 2:1.0.7-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 3:1.1.5-0.7; sid: 3:1.1.7-2+b1; wheezy: 3:1.1.7-2+b1; sid-multimedia: 4:1.1.7-0.4; wheezy-multimedia: 4:1.1.7-0.4 |
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| 19:31.57 | jelly-home | loome: if you see someone telling you to read stat(2), that means section 2, system calls. There's also a stat command in section 1. (and there's a number of regex related library calls in section 3, which is why that 7 needed to be explicit) |
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| 19:33.06 | drags | msdaisy: where are you running these commands? |
| 19:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | Blast. judd thinks they're in dmm but aptitude can't find them. |
| 19:33.17 | drags | bash is a command just like apt-get |
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| 19:33.37 | drags | (it's actually a shell, so you'll be running a shell inside your shell) |
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| 19:33.41 | boudiccas | msdaisy: just type bash where you've been typing apt-get |
| 19:34.00 | loome | jelly-home: is there a difference between "egrep "something" foo" and "grep -e "something" foo"? |
| 19:34.18 | drags | msdaisy: also to check which shell you're running, do 'ps -p $$' |
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| 19:34.36 | jelly-home | loome: http://www.regular-expressions.info/books.html has some books listed |
| 19:35.14 | fsmunoz | cheers, quick and easy question: I am an old Debian user but just recently used it in 64bits. Apart from force-architecture, getlibs, etc, is there a more streamlined way to install i386 debs? I eas thinking along the lines of making the i386 arch available to apt (not unlike what Fedora/RHEL do with yum). Thank you! |
| 19:35.16 | jelly-home | loome: egrep and grep -E are the same thing. (uppercase in -E is relevant, much as with most other unix tools) |
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| 19:36.24 | thewanderer1 | fsmunoz: there is an ongoing effort called multi-arch towards being able to choose library architectures. doesn't apply to binaries, AFAIK. |
| 19:37.11 | thewanderer1 | you typically don't install i386 debs, since they conflict with amd64 ones, which is what multi-arch is aiming to solve by moving libs into appropriate directories |
| 19:37.15 | msdaisy | hmm, drags typing bash made no difference, I tried su apt-get update and I got "unknown id: apt-get" |
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| 19:37.30 | msdaisy | drags, and ps -p $$ PID TTY TIME CMD 2433 pts/0 00:00:00 bash |
| 19:37.40 | fnmueller | msdaisy: don't confuse sudo and su |
| 19:37.46 | fsmunoz | thewanderer1: ACK, thank you. I read something about subarchitectures, seemed an ongoing effort but not yet ready. |
| 19:37.59 | msdaisy | has indeed confused sudo and su... |
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| 19:38.51 | thewanderer1 | fsmunoz: should work with Wheezy, which is about to be frozen |
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| 19:38.59 | msdaisy | when I type "apt-get update" I get "could not open lock file... permission denied, are you root?" fnmueller |
| 19:39.24 | fsmunoz | thewanderer1: I'm on sid right now |
| 19:39.39 | boudiccas | msdaisy: apt=get must run as root |
| 19:39.43 | r15 | hi |
| 19:39.57 | thewanderer1 | fsmunoz: I've never worked with multi-arch directly, you'd have to find documentation or ask in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 19:40.04 | msdaisy | give it to me like I'm 12 boudiccas , how do I do that? |
| 19:40.33 | boudiccas | msdaisy: su apt-get update > su apt-get upgraade |
| 19:40.36 | fnmueller | msdaisy: like boudiccas said. either use su or su -c |
| 19:40.44 | fsmunoz | I just found it strange because dpkg presented me with a screen (regarding libc IIRC) saying that libs where now in tuples named after the arch, etc, etc. I assumed that this was to allow transparent installation og i386 libs. |
| 19:40.59 | fsmunoz | thewanderer1: I see, thank you. |
| 19:41.05 | fnmueller | boudiccas: are you sure that would work? |
| 19:41.06 | msdaisy | ...that's what I did fnmueller and boudiccas . response from bash = unknown id: apt-get |
| 19:41.08 | forgotten | yeah so wlan0 never gets created, yet the hardware device is recognized and the required firmware modules are loaded :(. |
| 19:41.19 | fnmueller | msdaisy: read man su |
| 19:41.26 | boudiccas | msdaisy: yes, just run the commands one at a time |
| 19:41.27 | fnmueller | su is not sudo..... |
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| 19:42.24 | r15 | hi, i came with a new laptop, unfortunately i had to pay for windows 7. I am having 750GB hard disk, trying to have it dual boot however facing issue. |
| 19:42.44 | fnmueller | msdaisy: I already gave you the hint on how to use su just to execute one specific command, if you don't want to do that, use su to gain root access just using the command su |
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| 19:42.54 | boudiccas | msdaisy: if you cant use apt-get then try aptitude |
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| 19:43.08 | forgotten | wireless crisis! aahhhh =/ |
| 19:43.42 | jhutchins_lt | msdaisy: Someone is confused. That command is telling the system to become user apt-get. Just plain su - tells the shell to become root so you don't have to repeat it. (You can also become any actual user.) |
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| 19:43.46 | r15 | i shrinked the file system of C drive using windows tool, when i boot with the net install and trying to use the free space, it's confusing. as i am not getting same arch as of windows for disk. |
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| 19:43.53 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 19:44.00 | DelphiWorld | sup abrotman |
| 19:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | msdaisy: sudo must be used with each command, and is often not configured on Debian. |
| 19:44.09 | fsmunoz | r15: same arch? |
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| 19:44.15 | fsmunoz | r15: what doi you mean? |
| 19:44.17 | lluis | hello |
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| 19:44.22 | r15 | fsmunoz: arch i mean to say partitions. |
| 19:44.26 | fsmunoz | Ahh |
| 19:44.43 | lluis | in debian squezee if i create a file called psmouse.conf will have the same effect if i call it psmouse.modprobe.conf ? |
| 19:44.47 | fnmueller | ty jhutchins_lt |
| 19:45.14 | fsmunoz | r15: I generally use parted to do the resizing during the install... |
| 19:45.17 | r15 | only 4 partitions are visible on linux installation, however on windows i can see 5 partitions. |
| 19:45.27 | forgotten | im following http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi seems pretty straight forward.... i never get wlan0 interface. |
| 19:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | lluis: It depends on what's in the file, where it is, and other factors. Generally no. |
| 19:45.38 | msdaisy | ok. so real simple-like. How do I run "apt-get update" or "ifconfig" or nano /some/file in the terminal? |
| 19:45.43 | fsmunoz | r15: and the 4 partitions match in terms od details? |
| 19:45.52 | fsmunoz | r15: or is everything different? |
| 19:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | msdaisy: su - |
| 19:46.04 | r15 | fsmunoz: there is something as Dynamic disk appearing. |
| 19:46.05 | msdaisy | oh the dash! |
| 19:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | ms then run the other commands. |
| 19:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | msdaisy: then "exit" or "logout" to end the root session. |
| 19:46.27 | lluis | jhutchins_lt, the file is in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 19:46.41 | thewanderer1 | r15: Windows uses a non-standard disk layout called "dynamic disks" which is incompatible with any other OS |
| 19:46.47 | jhutchins_lt | msdaisy: I generally keep a root terminal session logged in, although that's not good practice for non-private computers. |
| 19:46.50 | fsmunoz | r15: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=704 |
| 19:46.52 | xubuntu5 | any way of monitoring ssh user transfers |
| 19:47.01 | lluis | jhutchins_lt, it contains: options psmouse proto=exps |
| 19:47.08 | jhutchins_lt | lluis: Have a look at other files there. |
| 19:47.30 | jhutchins_lt | lluis: Then: TRY IT! |
| 19:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | lluis: That's the fun thing about linux, you can just try stuff and see if it works, and if not keep looking! |
| 19:47.50 | fsmunoz | r15: better yet http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/238032-38-install-linux-windows-dynamic-partition |
| 19:48.02 | lluis | jhutchins_lt, ok i want to try it but first i want to know one thing |
| 19:48.07 | fsmunoz | r15: better still, google "Linux install Dynamic Disk" ;) |
| 19:48.12 | msdaisy | \o/ thanks jhutchins_lt fnmueller boudiccas drags |
| 19:48.34 | boudiccas | msdaisy: success, great! :) |
| 19:48.37 | fsmunoz | Going to see the match, bbl |
| 19:48.51 | r15 | fsmunoz: checking |
| 19:49.12 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: remember when i have bean screaming about a serial console based install of debian? |
| 19:49.15 | Cyclohexane | is it possible to install dependecies with dpkg? |
| 19:49.15 | fsmunoz | TL;DR: not possible, as thewanderer1 hinted |
| 19:49.33 | lluis | jhutchins_lt, when i create that file to take effect is there no other way than to reboot command? ( i mean restart a service or something like this) |
| 19:49.42 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: no |
| 19:50.02 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: http://download.gooze.eu/embedded/debian/images/debian.img.tar.gz did the trick for me |
| 19:50.10 | DelphiWorld | setting up debian on a CF is kit easy! |
| 19:50.14 | thewanderer1 | Cyclohexane: yes... but only manually, yourself :) |
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| 19:52.51 | lluis | when i create a file in /etc/modprobe.d to take effect is there no other way than do reboot command? ( i mean restart a service or something like this) |
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| 19:53.55 | thewanderer1 | lluis: you could remove the module and then modprobe it again, which should apply the settings - which might be tricky if anything is using it |
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| 19:58.43 | lluis | thewanderer1, ok it worked :) |
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| 19:59.11 | lluis | another thing |
| 20:00.02 | lluis | i have a led in my hp mini 210 that doesn't work how can i control it? |
| 20:00.32 | thewanderer1 | the obvious answer is "you can't" - the kernel should do that, and it may not have support for it |
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| 20:00.47 | thewanderer1 | pretty sure it's some Windows driver doing that in the designers' vision |
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| 20:03.12 | thewanderer1 | the typical procedure to try is: 1) run a newer kernel/driver (latter applicable to "WiFi" leds) 2) if that didn't work, if you are a kernel hacker, proceed to reverse-enginner the device; otherwise, give up at this stage :P |
| 20:03.19 | r15 | according to windows help page on windows 7, to change a dynamic disk back to a basic disk i need to delete the each volume.. |
| 20:03.49 | thewanderer1 | r15: hardly surprising. get some intermediate space :P |
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| 20:04.19 | fnmueller | r15: common knowledge |
| 20:05.08 | r15 | thewanderer1: i shrinked C drive however conversion option is still read only on windows tool.. checking more.. |
| 20:06.27 | Diopter | lluis: What LED? What do you mean "doesn't work"? |
| 20:07.11 | lluis | Diopter, for example bloq mayus have a led that is activated when bloq mayus is activated |
| 20:07.43 | lluis | Diopter, all other leds work good but mute button don0t |
| 20:07.52 | Diopter | lluis: You might be able to find something tweakable in /sys/class/leds/ |
| 20:07.57 | thewanderer1 | "bloq mayus" == caps lock, apparently |
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| 20:08.40 | lluis | Diopter, i looked there but i don't have led directory |
| 20:08.48 | Diopter | thewanderer1: Madness |
| 20:08.59 | thewanderer1 | (if "caps lock" is software-driven now as opposed to hardware, I don't want to live on this planet anymore) |
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| 20:10.21 | Diopter | thewanderer1: It is in a lot of machines. I swap my ctrl and caps lock keys, and the light is triggered by ctrl now. |
| 20:10.56 | thewanderer1 | lluis: so caps lock works, but mute button does not? |
| 20:11.52 | lluis | thewanderer1, it works but led don't |
| 20:12.21 | Diopter | lluis: Are you testing in a tty only? Or in a GUI terminal emulator as well? |
| 20:12.41 | Diopter | Because several of my laptops don't light up the caps-lock light in a tty, but do in X |
| 20:12.49 | lluis | Diopter, im in gnome |
| 20:13.36 | thewanderer1 | lluis: try the kernel from backports, and if it doesn't work - you're out of luck |
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| 20:15.26 | Diopter | lluis: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7701398/how-do-i-light-up-the-caps-lock-light-with-xset this might be relevant |
| 20:15.30 | Diopter | I'd give setleds a try |
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| 20:21.50 | lluis | Diopter, ok i will take a look |
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| 20:31.41 | juanmanolo | Hi. I'm trying to install R in my server... but I get a strange message http://pastebin.com/5Lqu8n2e and I can't find anything related to this message. Could you tell me what this means? |
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| 20:32.37 | ksm | you don't have sudo installed? |
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| 20:32.51 | juanmanolo | yes |
| 20:33.01 | juanmanolo | should I use sudo instead of root directly? |
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| 20:33.25 | H4x012 | install sudo |
| 20:33.39 | H4x012 | its because many shell script include sudo command |
| 20:33.46 | jelly-home | juanmanolo: that package seems not to be created to work on Debian. |
| 20:34.03 | jelly-home | juanmanolo: are you sure you got the correct package? |
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| 20:35.09 | juanmanolo | Yes from the R official website |
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| 20:35.41 | H4x012 | juanmanolo |
| 20:35.43 | H4x012 | install sudo |
| 20:35.45 | H4x012 | and test again |
| 20:35.52 | juanmanolo | ok |
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| 20:36.04 | jelly-home | juanmanolo: report a bug then -- they forgot to put a dependency on sudo in, and it's likely their installation scripts are buggy in other ways as well |
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| 20:47.09 | juanmanolo | I have used "sudo" and now the error seems different http://pastebin.com/Ubd0nkhp |
| 20:47.32 | juanmanolo | I think it is intalled now, but I can't load rstudio server |
| 20:47.56 | H4x012 | delete rstudio-server |
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| 20:47.56 | juanmanolo | I can't do this: $sudo rstudio-server verify-installation |
| 20:48.10 | H4x012 | and try to install it again |
| 20:48.14 | H4x012 | dont use sudo |
| 20:48.26 | H4x012 | coz you are already root |
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| 20:49.23 | H4x012 | delete also username rstudio-server |
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| 20:51.42 | juanmanolo | OK, now is working |
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| 20:51.56 | H4x012 | good |
| 20:52.03 | juanmanolo | thank you very much |
| 20:52.09 | H4x012 | yw |
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| 20:56.29 | r15 | I tried to convert a dynamic disk to a basic to have dual boot, however it's not working.. convert to basic disk on windows 7 is appearing read only. |
| 20:57.08 | r15 | i am having hp laptop, didn't get any installation media of windows.. just created system images. |
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| 20:58.05 | r15 | tried knoppix, but not getting X working. |
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| 21:04.05 | H4x012 | r15 |
| 21:04.06 | H4x012 | http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/26829-convert-dynamic-disk-basic-disk.html |
| 21:04.08 | H4x012 | rea this |
| 21:04.10 | H4x012 | read* |
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| 21:06.55 | ksm | how do I get the Monaco font? |
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| 21:09.31 | H4x012 | monaco? |
| 21:09.35 | H4x012 | for win? |
| 21:09.36 | H4x012 | or win? |
| 21:09.43 | H4x012 | linux* |
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| 21:10.50 | ksm | linux |
| 21:10.55 | H4x012 | http://www.gringod.com/wp-upload/software/Fonts/Monaco_Linux.ttf |
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| 21:11.55 | r15 | H4x012: :( i have only one disk. |
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| 21:17.06 | H4x012 | r15 |
| 21:17.09 | H4x012 | you mean... |
| 21:17.13 | H4x012 | you wanna have 2 disk |
| 21:17.17 | H4x012 | one for win |
| 21:17.21 | H4x012 | and another one for linux |
| 21:17.23 | H4x012 | right? |
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| 21:19.38 | r15 | H4x012:no, yesterday i purchased a HP laptop, 750 gb hdd on ewhich i want to have debian installed as dual boot. |
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| 21:20.13 | r15 | i mean i have only one harddisk. |
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| 21:21.47 | mrtetris | Windows have built in tool for shrinking partition. |
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| 21:23.20 | n0am | how can i get iptables load the rules default afte reboot? |
| 21:23.33 | H4x012 | r15 |
| 21:23.48 | H4x012 | use built in shrinking partition |
| 21:23.57 | H4x012 | ask if you dont know where is |
| 21:24.18 | dvs | n0am: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 21:24.36 | H4x012 | what do you mean by default? |
| 21:25.04 | n0am | i mean start and load at startup |
| 21:25.28 | H4x012 | but do you have set the rules? |
| 21:26.11 | r15 | H4x012: I already shrinked c drive, however the disk is with dynamic partition |
| 21:26.13 | n0am | yes in /etc/network/iptables |
| 21:26.24 | n0am | use iptables-apply |
| 21:26.33 | n0am | but that is interactive |
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| 21:26.45 | SUPPREME | hi folks |
| 21:26.53 | SUPPREME | i'm lookin for an equalizer for squeeze |
| 21:27.05 | SUPPREME | does the repo say anything ? |
| 21:27.12 | Diopter | SUPPREME: Audio equalizer? For all system audio? |
| 21:27.24 | SUPPREME | or for just the nvlc |
| 21:28.05 | SUPPREME | u hav idea ? |
| 21:28.36 | Diopter | Never heard of nvlc, but if it's related to VLC, the media player, VLC has its own equalizer |
| 21:29.02 | SUPPREME | type nvlc in a terminal :) it's official cli version, very neat |
| 21:29.11 | SUPPREME | hm i'll go bother the #vlc guys then |
| 21:29.26 | Diopter | Cool |
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| 21:30.19 | SUPPREME | Diopter: yup. i've heard it even does video in framebuffer :D have yet to check it out |
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| 21:31.50 | Diopter | Hah. Neat. |
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| 21:33.18 | n0am | dvs: i found what i need to do in the wiki, thanks |
| 21:33.23 | dvs | np |
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| 21:37.39 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:37.40 | jhutchins_lt | r15: The installer should be able to handle that. |
| 21:38.05 | Posterdati | please help, if I try to install amule + libupnp6 apt tries to remove all kde (wheezy) |
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| 21:40.42 | raidgh0st | Is there a way to keep the ppp connection tunnel open all the time |
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| 21:40.51 | raidgh0st | Not drop down when it feels like doing it+ |
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| 21:48.51 | hubnerd | Heya, is there a debian packaging channel? |
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| 21:49.40 | thewanderer1 | !mentors |
| 21:49.41 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:50.20 | hubnerd | Thanks |
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| 21:51.10 | inspira | hola |
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| 22:02.40 | adsd | http://elikr.zeekler.com/splash/ |
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| 22:02.56 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 22:03.07 | lancelot_of | can i install kernel 2.6.32 on testing? |
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| 22:03.42 | thewanderer1 | lancelot_of: unless there is some kind of udev incompatibility, yes |
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| 22:05.15 | lancelot_of | thewanderer1, no udev incompatibility is found by apt, but gcc ones:http://paste.debian.net/176145/ |
| 22:07.21 | thewanderer1 | lancelot_of: when pasting, please export LANG=C first |
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| 22:08.13 | thewanderer1 | not everyone knows Italian... |
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| 22:08.29 | lancelot_of | thewanderer1, http://paste.debian.net/176146/ sorry |
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| 22:09.07 | lancelot_of | but now how to restore to IT^ |
| 22:09.07 | lancelot_of | ? |
| 22:10.32 | thewanderer1 | lancelot_of: I'd try using the vanilla sources at this point and compiling with whatever gcc you can find in testing/sid |
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| 22:12.00 | lancelot_of | how to restore to italian language?export LANG=IT does'nt work |
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| 22:15.20 | lancelot_of | ? |
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| 22:16.07 | crane | somebody an idea whats wrong with this rule? |
| 22:16.13 | crane | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 8080 ! -s my_ip -j DNAT --to 10.8.0.1:2222 |
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| 22:20.48 | H4x012 | guys do you know what is the best firewall to detect and restrict ddos attack on debian? |
| 22:21.04 | Diopter | crane: Not if you don't tell us what you expect it to do and what's actually happening/how you're testing |
| 22:21.29 | calrogman | H4x012: The human brain and iptables. |
| 22:22.00 | crane | Diopter, i want ro dnat traffic on port 8080 into my vpn tunnel onto another machine on a different port |
| 22:22.06 | calrogman | Alsterinatively, fail2ban? |
| 22:22.13 | Diopter | iptables/ebtables/arptables/iproute2/brctl/conntrack. By these tools shall you conquer. |
| 22:22.26 | H4x012 | calrogman how you can use your brain to detect ddos? :D |
| 22:22.43 | H4x012 | and how you brain can restrict without tool? :D |
| 22:22.46 | crane | Diopter, i watched the traffic on the machine with tcpdump... no paket arrived... :/ |
| 22:22.58 | calrogman | I said your brain *and* iptables. |
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| 22:23.13 | calrogman | Check the logs, figure out what's DDoSing you, block it. |
| 22:23.35 | Diopter | crane: So you want to exclude the machine this rule is on from getting its traffic routed over the VPN, just traffic coming in, right? |
| 22:24.04 | crane | Diopter, i don't get this... try it in different words oO |
| 22:24.06 | H4x012 | do you have any command or rul to do it automaticly? |
| 22:24.39 | crane | H4x012, are you getting attacked? |
| 22:24.54 | H4x012 | not yet |
| 22:25.01 | H4x012 | i can attack ofcourse :D |
| 22:25.13 | H4x012 | but now i need to buy a server for our company |
| 22:25.22 | H4x012 | so i dont have much time to spent on this part |
| 22:25.27 | H4x012 | thats why i ask you |
| 22:25.32 | crane | buy a rioray ;) |
| 22:27.02 | Diopter | crane: Ok. The machine you're adding this DNAT rule to. It has a VPN tunnel on it, and it can receive traffic on another interface on port 8080. You want *only* that external traffic coming in to go over the VPN. That's why you're trying "! -s my_ip". Correct? |
| 22:27.28 | crane | Diopter, yes, thats correct |
| 22:28.01 | crane | Diopter, ! -s is set because i want to allow my machine to connect on thtis port |
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| 22:28.56 | Diopter | crane: Ok. And are you sure that you can actually route traffic through this machine? Do you have forwarding enabled? |
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| 22:31.38 | crane | Diopter, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - 1 |
| 22:31.40 | crane | yes ^ |
| 22:31.41 | crane | ^^ |
| 22:32.05 | crane | Diopter, i can ping this machine :) |
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| 22:32.16 | crane | Diopter, so i think i cn route traffic throug this |
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| 22:33.14 | Diopter | crane: Pinging an interface on the machine != routing traffic through it. |
| 22:33.26 | crane | Diopter, damn... :/ |
| 22:34.20 | crane | Diopter, so how can i route this traffic throug it? |
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| 22:36.24 | Diopter | crane: Well, how you were doing it should work enough to get the traffic across the tunnel, but it probably won't work to get responses back |
| 22:36.43 | Diopter | crane: Unless the other end of the tunnel routes all traffic through the tunnel as a default gateway |
| 22:36.48 | crane | Diopter, i know that |
| 22:36.52 | Diopter | crane: You'll need to SNAT or MASQUERADE for that. |
| 22:37.09 | crane | Diopter, my first step is to watch is that this dnat is working |
| 22:37.14 | Diopter | crane: Anyhow, have you tried connecting across the tunnel to port 2222 from this machine? |
| 22:37.19 | crane | Diopter, but i dont see any paket on this interface |
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| 22:38.38 | crane | Diopter, 2222 is open and ready for a connection ;) |
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| 22:40.59 | Diopter | crane: That doesn't necessarily confirm that you can connect to 10.8.0.1 on port 2222 from the NAT'ing machine, which is what I'm very specifically asking. |
| 22:41.17 | Diopter | crane: Also, where are you tcpdumping? |
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| 22:41.55 | crane | Diopter, i made the connection from the nating matchine, works very well - the tcpdump is running on the machine where i want to route the traffic |
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| 22:42.55 | Diopter | crane: Ok. So what happens if you connect to the public IP on port 8080 from that NAT'ing machine? |
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| 22:43.20 | crane | nothing happens... i get an timeout |
| 22:43.29 | crane | also i dont see any paket on the machine |
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| 22:43.42 | Diopter | crane: And does "iptables -t nat -nvL PREROUTING" show that the rule counter has increased? |
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| 22:43.59 | Diopter | crane: It also might be helpful to pastebin: "ip a; ip r; iptables-save" |
| 22:44.03 | crane | uh good idea... thit not think about this ^ |
| 22:45.05 | ksm | Does fc-cache not like fonts made by fontforge? |
| 22:45.19 | crane | Diopter, rule is matching, counter is increasing |
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| 22:47.40 | Diopter | crane: Best take a look at that pastebin then |
| 22:49.10 | crane | Diopter, http://pastebin.de/27519 |
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| 22:53.01 | Diopter | crane: Don't see anything too crazy, aside from having 127.0.0.1/32 on your public interface. |
| 22:53.20 | Diopter | crane: Are you testing the external 8080 connection from a machine that's not "my_ip"? |
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| 22:54.34 | crane | it's an vps server... parallels virtuozo... they're doing funny stuff like that ;) |
| 22:54.45 | crane | yes, trying from a machine which is not $my_ip |
| 22:55.58 | claw | how to display the date when an package was updated ? |
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| 22:57.12 | crane | Diopter, here is the same for the other machine http://pastebin.de/27520 |
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| 22:59.48 | Cyclohexane | anyone got any ideas why this 404's? Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libc-dev-bin i386 2.11.2-10 |
| 22:59.53 | Cyclohexane | for the libc-dev packages.. |
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| 23:06.14 | engla | Cyclohexane: for a particular package? because you need to run apt-get update ? |
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| 23:08.39 | LtL | Cyclohexane: you may need this line for dev packages iirc, deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:08.58 | LtL | Cyclohexane: forget the updates part |
| 23:09.16 | engla | deb-src is for source packages, not -dev |
| 23:09.28 | LtL | engla: ah, mmk thx |
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| 23:18.56 | Diopter | crane: Bit confused. The machine you're routing on has a tunnel between 10.8.0.6 <- 10.8.0.5, but your destination is 10.8.0.1, which has a tunnel to 10.8.0.2 |
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| 23:23.09 | crane | Diopter, this confues me also... i can ping the .0.1 but not the .0.2 |
| 23:23.36 | Diopter | crane: From which box? |
| 23:23.48 | crane | dnat box |
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| 23:24.37 | Diopter | crane: Ok... do you actually know how your boxes are hooked together? :P |
| 23:24.55 | crane | Diopter, i hope so :D |
| 23:25.02 | Diopter | lol |
| 23:25.05 | init[dot]d | upgrade went awesome |
| 23:25.23 | Diopter | init[dot]d: Grats |
| 23:25.29 | init[dot]d | I will rejoin from the new squeezebox |
| 23:25.42 | crane | initself, *thumps up* |
| 23:25.51 | crane | ups... |
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| 23:26.53 | _ap_par_ | shalom! |
| 23:27.12 | _ap_par_ | hello friends!! |
| 23:27.18 | _ap_par_ | how are things?!?! |
| 23:27.59 | crane | Diopter, so is actually my vpn config messed up |
| 23:28.05 | crane | Diopter, ? |
| 23:28.17 | _ap_par_ | !ops AdmV0rl02 shitty /nick |
| 23:28.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: _ap_par_ complains about: AdmV0rl02 shitty /nick |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | hi ? |
| 23:28.34 | abrotman | _ap_par_: do you need help? |
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| 23:29.10 | _ap_par_ | abrotman yes |
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| 23:29.22 | abrotman | _ap_par_: do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:29.29 | _ap_par_ | abrotman yes |
| 23:29.33 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:29.37 | crane | lol |
| 23:29.50 | abrotman | waits .. |
| 23:29.59 | _ap_par_ | can i ask a question here? |
| 23:30.06 | crane | is laughing about this conversation |
| 23:30.07 | abrotman | if it's about Debian, yes |
| 23:30.29 | _ap_par_ | abrotman do i need some ticket before i ask question? |
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| 23:30.38 | crane | abramart, ask more where he can answer with yes/no ^^ |
| 23:32.10 | abrotman | waits .. |
| 23:32.11 | Diopter | crane: Looks that way. I'm suspect about the way traffic is supposed to be flowing, at least. |
| 23:32.27 | _ap_par_ | !ops AdmV0rl02 shitty /nick |
| 23:32.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: _ap_par_ complains about: AdmV0rl02 shitty /nick |
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| 23:32.48 | abrotman | _ap_par_: this is not a playground, please take a timeout |
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| 23:36.59 | matlock | Hey can anyone help me with a small issue with audacity? The people in #audacity apparently can't read my problem right. I'm listening to an internet stream, and would like audacity to run a command when the track name changes (not file), so I enabled the 'song change' plugin, added the command to the 'Command to run when the title changes for a song' box, but when the title changes, nothing happens. I've even tried simple stuff like putting 'gedit' |
| 23:36.59 | matlock | in there, to see if it would load gedit when the song changes... nope. No command is run when the title song changes. |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | they can't read it right ? |
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| 23:37.54 | matlock | yea |
| 23:37.59 | matlock | i went to #audacious |
| 23:38.06 | matlock | and they said 'enable the song change plugin' |
| 23:38.16 | abrotman | audacious o raudacity? |
| 23:38.17 | matlock | when i clearly stated in my original inquiry that i had done that |
| 23:38.21 | matlock | audacious |
| 23:38.26 | matlock | i get the two switched around |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | you said audacity in your original question |
| 23:38.33 | abrotman | okay .. just making sure |
| 23:38.38 | matlock | yea the one i typed here |
| 23:38.46 | matlock | i meant audacious |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | which version of linux? |
| 23:39.00 | matlock | debian squeeze |
| 23:39.03 | matlock | bigmem kernel |
| 23:39.24 | crane | Diopter, i don't get this ^^ |
| 23:39.25 | matlock | Audacious 2.3 [Debian package] |
| 23:39.36 | crane | Diopter, i*ve never configured .0.2 |
| 23:39.41 | abrotman | matlock: did you check the BTS? I do'nt have squeeze on here anymore, but it may be in the BTS |
| 23:39.51 | matlock | BTS? |
| 23:39.54 | matlock | oh duh |
| 23:39.55 | matlock | yea |
| 23:39.57 | matlock | it's not there |
| 23:40.11 | matlock | i actually submitted one, but it has yet to show up |
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| 23:40.20 | Diopter | crane: How did you setup the tunnels? |
| 23:40.25 | abrotman | matlock: how long ago? |
| 23:40.31 | matlock | earlier today |
| 23:41.19 | abrotman | should take roughly 30 minutes |
| 23:41.29 | matlock | i used reportbug |
| 23:43.25 | abrotman | matlock: tried using the full path to things like gedit ? |
| 23:43.27 | matlock | hmm maybe it was never submitted |
| 23:43.30 | matlock | yea |
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| 23:43.48 | matlock | i'm actually trying to run a script from /home/$USER/bin |
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| 23:44.31 | ksm | does anyone here have experience with fontforge |
| 23:45.52 | abrotman | matlock: well, awesome .. i just tried on wheezy, worked the first time |
| 23:46.01 | matlock | wtf man |
| 23:46.12 | abrotman | judd: versions audacious |
| 23:46.14 | judd | Package: audacious on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1-4; squeeze: 2.3-2; squeeze-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2.3-1; wheezy: 3.2.3-1 |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | well, that is a big difference |
| 23:46.54 | abrotman | matlock: have you tried as a new user ? |
| 23:47.10 | abrotman | matlock: another suggestion might be to run audacious from an xterm, see if it logs an error to the xterm |
| 23:47.11 | crane | Diopter, layer 3; server 10.8.0.0 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:47.27 | matlock | this could be beneficial |
| 23:47.34 | matlock | let me attempt that |
| 23:48.59 | matlock | alright, upon first play (i put the script in on 'start playing' as well) it works |
| 23:49.09 | matlock | let's see what happens when the track name changes |
| 23:49.11 | matlock | waits |
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| 23:49.32 | abrotman | hit "Next" |
| 23:49.41 | matlock | can't hit next |
| 23:49.45 | matlock | it's a network stream |
| 23:49.55 | matlock | anyway, the track name changed, nothing echoed to the terminal |
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| 23:50.16 | matlock | i have the script set to echo the artist name, song name, and length when it runs |
| 23:50.33 | matlock | basically nothing happened |
| 23:50.34 | abrotman | anything in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 23:51.42 | matlock | nothing relating to audacious |
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| 23:53.38 | matlock | yea it doesn't do anything when the title changes |
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| 23:54.16 | abrotman | you could try to strace it, but that generally produces a tremendous amount of output, not always so easy to understand |
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| 23:55.59 | Chelsea | Is it possible to resize partitions on a running (ext2) system? |
| 23:56.24 | dvs | Chelsea: I wouldn't try it. |
| 23:57.41 | matlock | wait... |
| 23:57.47 | matlock | i do think i figured it out. |
| 23:57.59 | Chelsea | dvs, Running Squeeze on an ppc mac, on a 5 gig partion. Considering, I think it'd be easiest. |
| 23:58.00 | matlock | at least some of it |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:58.12 | abrotman | share! |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | or not .... |
