| 00:00.01 | matlock | it *may* have been a problem with my script |
| 00:00.26 | abrotman | oh .. i see! it's *your* fault! |
| 00:00.40 | matlock | but i don't see how, because it should at least output to the terminal when it A encounters errors and B hits the 'echo' commands i set in there |
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| 00:01.10 | abrotman | matlock: so why didn't it start gedit ? |
| 00:01.27 | matlock | yea, that question's still up in the air |
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| 00:01.41 | matlock | and it makes me think that the problem isn't mine. |
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| 00:02.14 | dvs | Chelsea: I'd still try and find a live CD and repartition from that. |
| 00:02.46 | matlock | yep, still not fixed |
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| 00:03.34 | matlock | so. is there any other way that I can have audacious run a script when the title of a song changes? (this would probably be a better question for #audacious i know) |
| 00:04.00 | Devastator | matlock just a suggestion, i don't know if abrotman would agree, why not pastebin your script and let abrotman test it? |
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| 00:08.37 | abrotman | matlock: strace is noisy, but can help |
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| 00:13.01 | matlock | well.. i'm sure the script will work if commands work |
| 00:13.16 | matlock | maybe it's the stream itself who knows |
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| 00:14.39 | abrotman | try it with MP3s |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | or oggs |
| 00:14.51 | matlock | well the thing is.. again |
| 00:14.56 | matlock | i'm listening to a network stream |
| 00:15.00 | matlock | here's the script |
| 00:15.02 | matlock | http://pastebin.com/HKQAMRFY |
| 00:15.13 | matlock | it requires lastfmsubmitd |
| 00:15.27 | matlock | I made it because the last.fm scrobbler doesn't scrobble network streams |
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| 00:17.47 | jagginess | anyone knows the theora codec ? (good?) |
| 00:18.09 | abrotman | matlock: okay, but does your script work with MP3s .. that would tell you if it's the stream or the program |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | jagginess: ogg? it's good enough |
| 00:19.38 | matlock | the script works |
| 00:19.47 | matlock | it's just never called by audacious |
| 00:19.49 | jagginess | avconv -f x11grab -s 1280x1024 -i :0.0 -vcodec theora video.og , is failing for me saying theora isnt a encoder (but avconv -codecs lists it as one) :/ |
| 00:19.58 | matlock | i have to manually call it |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | matlock: you're not answering my question .. |
| 00:20.05 | ksm | Does anyone here use fontforge |
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| 00:20.16 | matlock | upon first load |
| 00:20.23 | matlock | and 'start play' of audacious |
| 00:20.25 | matlock | the script runs |
| 00:20.31 | matlock | because i have it in the top box of 'song change' |
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| 00:20.44 | matlock | but even though I also have it in the bottom box of 'song chang'e |
| 00:20.47 | matlock | it doesn't run |
| 00:20.50 | matlock | when the title changes |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | but you're still ignoring my question |
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| 00:26.51 | jagginess | abrotman: i guess i cant encode with theora to an .ogg file here .. thought i can though.. |
| 00:27.10 | abrotman | jagginess: ogg is theora ? |
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| 00:27.44 | dvs | yeah |
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| 00:27.53 | matlock | yes |
| 00:27.55 | dvs | ogg vorbis and ogg theora |
| 00:27.57 | matlock | the script runs |
| 00:27.58 | matlock | when new tracks work |
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| 00:28.03 | matlock | s/work/play/ |
| 00:28.14 | matlock | using mp3's |
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| 00:28.35 | jagginess | abrotman: i think ogg is just the container.. i dont know if thera encoding is stable with ffmpeg or avconv these commands on their own.. |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | matlock: so it's the stream ? |
| 00:28.58 | matlock | Well I don't know |
| 00:29.05 | matlock | i haven't tried a different stream |
| 00:29.17 | matlock | because this script is specifically made for this stream |
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| 00:33.30 | jagginess | dvs: do you know if ffmpeg/avconv is broked for encoding theora? |
| 00:34.16 | dvs | no idea |
| 00:34.31 | jagginess | notices a package called "ffmpegtheora" |
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| 00:35.09 | jagginess | ,/ffmpeg2theora actually |
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| 00:43.59 | mlt- | I'd like to wrap my python scripts into a package. Is there a tool to autodetect dependencies? I remember there are tools for executables, but what about python scripts? |
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| 00:46.50 | engla | mlt-: maybe there is, but for python it's harder to decide. you can have runtime detection/choice of modules etc |
| 00:46.59 | Viking667 | I have a question about a particular set of packages. |
| 00:47.07 | Viking667 | ... in this case, sugar. |
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| 00:47.28 | mlt- | engla: it looks like dh_python2 is the way to go for modules.... but what about just scripts |
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| 00:48.44 | Viking667 | ... I suspect I'd better ask this in the Sugar channel instead |
| 00:48.54 | rootant | is there a debian way to change gcc symlinks to 4.4? i mean except manually deleting the symling and making a new one |
| 00:49.06 | rootant | like gcc-config on gentoo |
| 00:49.26 | mlt- | rootant: perhaps "alternatives" you are looking for |
| 00:49.38 | Viking667 | update-alternatives, I "think"... |
| 00:49.43 | mlt- | yep |
| 00:50.32 | rootant | and how should i use it? |
| 00:51.35 | Viking667 | check out the man page, especially in the EXAMPLES section |
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| 00:52.00 | mlt- | to see alternatives for CC, just update-alternatives --list cc |
| 00:52.03 | Viking667 | ... yes, it does have a man page. |
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| 00:52.18 | adrakoa_ | hi |
| 00:52.59 | rootant | mlt-: and how to do this for g++? |
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| 00:53.16 | mlt- | --list c++ |
| 00:54.13 | adrakoa | hi |
| 00:54.26 | rootant | it says that there is only one alternative for c++ and there is nothing to config |
| 00:54.29 | rootant | adrakoa: hai |
| 00:54.40 | mlt- | rootant: do you have several gcc installed? |
| 00:54.52 | mlt- | as debain package |
| 00:55.05 | Viking667 | and, do you have several gcc-c++ installed as debian packages?+ |
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| 00:55.21 | rootant | mlt-: 4.4 and 4.6 |
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| 00:55.31 | rootant | yes, as debian packages |
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| 00:55.45 | rootant | Viking667: yes |
| 00:55.45 | mlt- | hm... they should have added alternatives |
| 00:55.50 | Viking667 | mmm |
| 00:56.11 | mlt- | do both from debian or from somewhere else? |
| 00:56.15 | mlt- | are |
| 00:56.58 | rootant | both from debian |
| 00:57.14 | rootant | however i've recently upgraded from sqeeze to wheezy if that matters |
| 00:57.33 | mlt- | try manually set update-alternatives --set c++ /usr/bin/g++-4.6 |
| 00:57.33 | Viking667 | hm. All I can think of is checking the postinst files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-c++* |
| 00:57.36 | rootant | http://wklej.org/id/779234/ |
| 00:57.50 | TehRabbitt | Okay so i've got several of the same machine, with 2 NICs in each. when I set it up on the first machine I tried two different NIC cards, so my interfaces are eth1, eth2, eth3, eth4... Now, i've configured and set up the unit perfectly how I want it, but I want to be able to dd if=/dev/sda of=diskImage.img and then use it to make lets say 20 identical units (same brand NICs etc)..... though i realized, the eth interfaces will increment upward on |
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| 00:58.20 | abrotman | !tell TehRabbitt about 70 |
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| 00:58.43 | rootant | mlt-: says that hte alternative isn't registered and won't be set |
| 00:58.51 | Viking667 | blinks |
| 00:59.02 | rootant | Viking667: :< |
| 00:59.44 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: I mean, is there a way *not* to have it assigned via MACs since they're *all* different |
| 00:59.53 | TehRabbitt | and having to set over 20-30 boxes manually would take a very very long time |
| 01:00.36 | TehRabbitt | I built the original system using a desktop, and then placed the drive into the finished unit and the onboard eth interfaces changed from eth0 and eth1 to eth 1 and eth2 |
| 01:00.36 | Viking667 | rootant: Check what specific versions of gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.6 are installed. |
| 01:00.40 | thewanderer1 | mlt-, rootant: I think c++ only points to a particular implementation (like g++), and it's that implementation's alternative which chooses the version. |
| 01:00.43 | TehRabbitt | because desktop had eth0 |
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| 01:01.18 | Viking667 | if you only have gcc-4.n-base for the other version, that could be why you're seeing this behaviour |
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| 01:01.29 | mlt- | rootant: you can try --install to add that as alternative to be later used with --set |
| 01:01.31 | Viking667 | $ ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc* |
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| 01:02.04 | Viking667 | actually, I might refine that command some more |
| 01:02.09 | ErikMouse | Alright, I'll bring this Debian issue here where it is on topic. |
| 01:02.20 | joulez | ErikMouse: lenny is now in archive. |
| 01:02.24 | Viking667 | $ ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/gcc-4.[456]* |
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| 01:03.12 | ErikMouse | Yeah, my problem seems to have gone from a python problem to a possible debian problem. |
| 01:03.23 | Viking667 | hm? |
| 01:03.35 | Devastator | TehRabbitt you can edit udev rules file |
| 01:03.42 | Viking667 | Debian doesn't have problems. Debian has .... features! |
| 01:03.53 | joulez | ErikMouse: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list... |
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| 01:04.10 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: how would I edit them so that the onboard 10/100 jack is always Eth1 and the two gigabit ports (PCI-Card) are Eth2 and Eth3 |
| 01:04.23 | Viking667 | ... perhaps as a separate file inside /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 01:04.35 | ErikMouse | Well, the debian I have has an apt-get 404 problem. |
| 01:04.52 | joulez | ErikMouse: http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/89edec4857 |
| 01:04.54 | Viking667 | ErikMouse: for which file? And have you done an apt-get update? |
| 01:04.57 | joulez | lenny is now in archive. |
| 01:05.23 | joulez | his lenny needs to be updated. |
| 01:05.24 | Devastator | TehRabbitt as soon as you open udev rules file you will see how easy it is to edit the way you want.. |
| 01:05.35 | malias | I thoroughly enjoyed the debian feature of the failed r8169 realtek network adapter driver lol. |
| 01:05.36 | ErikMouse | I did and it throws a lot of 404 Not Found errors |
| 01:05.38 | Viking667 | ugh. He's on lenny. |
| 01:05.50 | joulez | Viking667: so? |
| 01:05.58 | rootant | mlt-: now i've messed up something |
| 01:06.02 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: wheres it located lol |
| 01:06.05 | Viking667 | I'd say that lenny has been removed from most of the archive sites, if it's "archived" |
| 01:06.14 | Viking667 | But I don't know that for certain |
| 01:06.21 | thewanderer1 | !lenny |
| 01:06.21 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 01:06.25 | joulez | ErikMouse: updated you /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/89edec4857 |
| 01:06.43 | abrotman | it's on the *the* archive site ... |
| 01:06.43 | Devastator | TehRabbitt 1 sec |
| 01:07.16 | Viking667 | I struck the same problem, only it was with a Ubuntu distro instead. Sigh. |
| 01:07.34 | Viking667 | so I've learned I now have to keep my Ubuntus updated. |
| 01:07.47 | Devastator | TehRabbitt /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 01:08.10 | ErikMouse | I'm looking in my sources.list and what I have listed there for lenny is debian.corenetworks.net |
| 01:08.18 | joulez | ErikMouse: then 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 01:08.19 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: Alrighty |
| 01:09.04 | joulez | ErikMouse: hmm, anyhow do like i said. :) |
| 01:09.08 | Viking667 | joulez: you're updating him to squeeze, hm. |
| 01:09.11 | joulez | no |
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| 01:09.16 | Viking667 | no? wheezy? |
| 01:09.22 | joulez | his lenny needs updated :) |
| 01:09.39 | ErikMouse | Okay, I just tried alt-get upgrade and it returned "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 01:09.41 | joulez | its 5.0.7 |
| 01:10.17 | ErikMouse | Whoops, meant apt-get upgrade |
| 01:10.35 | joulez | ErikMouse: did you do 'apt-get update'? |
| 01:10.36 | mlt- | what do you mean by saying you've messed something up? |
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| 01:10.51 | mlt- | it was to rootant |
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| 01:11.31 | joulez | last version of lenny is 5.0.10 AFAIK |
| 01:11.33 | ErikMouse | If I do that, I get a lot of 404 Not Found errors |
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| 01:12.00 | joulez | ErikMouse: http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/89edec4857 put that in your srouces list! |
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| 01:12.41 | joulez | or there is something seriously broken with your setup. |
| 01:12.50 | rootant | mlt-: withthe install option, idk what i was doing really |
| 01:13.05 | rootant | mlt-: but it's set to 4.4 now, as it should be |
| 01:13.22 | rootant | mlt-: anyways, i need to get some shuteye, bbl, thx 4 help |
| 01:13.32 | rootant | Viking667: you too |
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| 01:15.07 | matlock | abrotman, yours worked right? the fourth option in the 'song change' area |
| 01:15.12 | matlock | the one for network streams |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | matlock: i didn't test with a stream, just local files |
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| 01:17.48 | matlock | oh, okay |
| 01:17.56 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: Hm... SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:02:55:b3:47:4a", ATT$ |
| 01:17.59 | matlock | cause earlier i mentioned the issue |
| 01:18.06 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: how do I make it *not* depend on the MAC |
| 01:18.26 | matlock | and ompaul is using 3.2.3 and he sees the same thing |
| 01:18.28 | matlock | it doesn't work |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | with a stream or with local files? |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | ompaul isn't even here! |
| 01:18.52 | matlock | stream |
| 01:19.01 | matlock | yea he probably left |
| 01:19.05 | matlock | it was some time ago |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | lazy bum! |
| 01:19.14 | matlock | i'll try it with a different stream now |
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| 01:19.28 | abrotman | did you ask #audacious how audcious knows the song has changed? |
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| 01:20.54 | Devastator | TehRabbitt don't know, really, but when i needed to change eth names, that's what i did |
| 01:21.51 | ErikMouse | Okay, I replaced my resources with the ones you gave me in the pastebin, and now my cat /etc/debian_version says its 5.0.10 |
| 01:21.53 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: yeah, basically the udev rules are assigning teh eth names to the MAC addresses |
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| 01:23.20 | nerdistmonk | How do i get stereo sound with my ICE1723 based soundcard? |
| 01:23.22 | TehRabbitt | I need to assign them to the specific ports of the unit without needing to actually change the macs on each unit |
| 01:23.35 | joulez | ErikMouse: done. |
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| 01:24.10 | TehRabbitt | Basically I have 20 units, identical hardware... |
| 01:24.18 | TehRabbitt | the only thing that differs is the MAC addresses |
| 01:24.47 | matlock | abrotman, yea but they're pretty silent in there |
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| 01:26.55 | TehRabbitt | I need one port to always be the "WAN" interface and the other two to stay as "Eth3 and Eth4" as the LAN connections |
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| 01:32.46 | TehRabbitt | Okay... this is my udev rules.d thing: SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:02:55:b3:47:4a", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1" |
| 01:32.47 | TehRabbitt | now the only difference between eth1, 2, 3, 4 etc... is the MAC address |
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| 01:33.36 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt: which is the only criterion used when naming interfaces |
| 01:33.42 | matlock | it's not 'the' stream |
| 01:33.51 | matlock | it's just not updating on any stream |
| 01:34.06 | matlock | rather, it's not running the command when the stream title changes |
| 01:34.15 | TehRabbitt | thewanderer1: so how can I make it so Box A and Box B which both have 4 interfaces, have the same exact assignments even though the MACs will differ? |
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| 01:35.06 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt: drop the config file specific to Box A on Box A and to Box B on Box B |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | matlock: i really suspect that plugin just doesn't work with any stream |
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| 01:35.40 | TehRabbitt | thewanderer1: so no easier way than to customize it based on MAC? Heh |
| 01:35.44 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt: Fedora has some scheme of mapping between PCI ports and interface names, see if you can port that |
| 01:35.49 | TehRabbitt | hmm |
| 01:35.59 | TehRabbitt | thewanderer1: that gives me an idea |
| 01:36.08 | matlock | abrotman, that's my thoughts too |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | matlock: you oculd send an email to the audacious mailing list .. see if oyu can get that confirmed |
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| 01:47.57 | TehRabbitt | thewanderer1: Hm looks like the way many people have done it is using ethtool + grep and a simple "if" statement for each interface and run it during boot to rename the interfaces during boot |
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| 01:48.29 | k-man | whats the debian way to install vmware tools in a debian guest OS? |
| 01:48.43 | k-man | use apt-get or use the vmware supplied tools? |
| 01:48.49 | TehRabbitt | k-man: I was wondering the same thing, if you find out let me know lol |
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| 01:48.59 | k-man | TehRabbitt, ok |
| 01:49.11 | civillian | k-man: I recommend the proprietary ones, but that's just me. I hear open-vmtools is quite good these days |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | k-man: i thought there was a package ? |
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| 01:49.34 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: there is, but he's asking which is better, open-vmtools OR the vmware ones |
| 01:49.43 | TehRabbitt | and i've wondered the same thing myself |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | i think i'd start with the packages .. if there are problems, i'd try something else ? |
| 01:50.05 | k-man | ok |
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| 01:50.36 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: so sticking with the debian packages is better than going with the propriatary drivers when possible? (same with drivers for network, video, etc?) |
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| 01:52.49 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: not 100% of the time .. but it is less hassle usually |
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| 01:55.18 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: I'll keep it in mind :D |
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| 02:01.29 | TehRabbitt | thewanderer1: Maybe it'd be easier for me to just make a simple program in C++ or just a bash script that asks for "MAC A: MAC B: MAC C:" and then generates the udev rules and drops it in |
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| 02:03.33 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt: well, why not? if you know the mac addresses up-front, that's the sane solutio |
| 02:03.36 | thewanderer1 | n. |
| 02:04.02 | TehRabbitt | thewanderer1: I can just pop the PCI cards into my desktop and write down the MACs and label each one ahead of time |
| 02:04.04 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 02:04.23 | thewanderer1 | or you could observe the order in which they are labeled |
| 02:04.30 | abrotman | why can't he image them with an empty file and let them populate when they boot ? |
| 02:04.38 | thewanderer1 | there probably is some... |
| 02:05.31 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: that's what I orginally thought, but... how do I control the order in which they populate |
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| 02:06.01 | abrotman | you don't |
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| 02:06.27 | abrotman | it's what order they're probed IIRC |
| 02:06.28 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: thats the delema |
| 02:06.31 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | which is why udev has that file |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: you need them to work on the first boot ? |
| 02:07.21 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: the ideal solution was to just image these 30+ boxes without having to manually config each one |
| 02:07.26 | thewanderer1 | someone stated the probing order is random, on other times I've read it's deterministic for a given hardware platform |
| 02:09.08 | TehRabbitt | i mean like, how do they control it on items like WRT54G routers or such, where theres 1 WAN and 4 LAN, how do they guarentee eth0 is WAN etc |
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| 02:09.29 | nerdistmonk | how do i load a module for OSS4 in debian |
| 02:09.33 | Devastator | TehRabbitt image them with empty file, let them populated then edit udev rules |
| 02:10.02 | Devastator | i can edit udev rules in 30 machines in 15 minutes.. |
| 02:10.18 | mlt- | speaking about udev... is there a way to delay script execution action by few seconds? |
| 02:10.21 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: true lol and I could probabbly script it lol |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: that's a hardware distinction |
| 02:11.28 | nerdistmonk | i just want some audio in debian, i have a ICE1723 based card, and in alsa the left channel doesnt put sound, and in OSSv4 it just isnt listed |
| 02:11.40 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: are both NICs the same company? |
| 02:12.29 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: they're all going to be intel nics. |
| 02:12.36 | TehRabbitt | Intel Pro100 and Intel Pro1000 |
| 02:12.40 | TehRabbitt | two diff drivers though |
| 02:12.54 | TehRabbitt | both are dual-port cards |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: uhm .. did you look at that file .. i vaguely recall you can do some wildcard nonsense |
| 02:15.02 | TehRabbitt | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:02:55:b3:47:4a", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1" |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | hi ? |
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| 02:15.23 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: see the address part? |
| 02:15.29 | TehRabbitt | Yep |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | compare that on a few boxes |
| 02:15.37 | TehRabbitt | make that a *? |
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| 02:15.49 | TehRabbitt | Ah! |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | but i bleieve that can be made to match in a wildcard method |
| 02:16.05 | nerdistmonk | so no one? |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | !tell nerdistmonk about oss4 |
| 02:16.38 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: Hm... so if 00:02:55:b3:*:* might work |
| 02:16.41 | nerdistmonk | meh forget it dude, i wouldnt be here if it were simple |
| 02:16.49 | gunkaaa | !lenny sources |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | gunkaaa: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 02:17.10 | Devastator | TehRabbitt 00:02:55:b3:??:?? i think |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | * should work |
| 02:17.34 | gunkaaa | thanks |
| 02:17.36 | TehRabbitt | nerdistmonk: do you have the non-free sources? your card might need a driver that you dont' have installed / is non-free |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: see /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 02:17.44 | nerdistmonk | i got it all |
| 02:17.51 | nerdistmonk | alsa only has audio on the right channel |
| 02:18.06 | TehRabbitt | Devastator: Hmmmm i'll have to check the MACs of a few boxes and see if they're the same :D |
| 02:18.24 | TehRabbitt | as long as they're the same model + manufacturer the first few parts are usually the same, right? |
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| 02:19.02 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: see my line above |
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| 02:19.52 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: thanks :D i'm going to have to check it out tommmorrow when I have the boxes in front of me... what's the easist way of imaging them? just put 2 drives in one machine and "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb"? |
| 02:20.30 | nerdistmonk | meh im going to a different platform, ive spent 40 hours and $220 on sound issues alone, i buy a soundcard that is listed as supported and it doesnt work right at all, so fooey on it |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: i suppose that'd work .. |
| 02:21.57 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: there a better / faster way |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: particle gun ? |
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| 02:22.21 | TehRabbitt | ? |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | it was a joke .. |
| 02:22.43 | TehRabbitt | i know lol... |
| 02:23.07 | TehRabbitt | but well out of curoisity i googled it thinking just *maybe* someone called an image tool "particlegun" or somethign haha |
| 02:23.14 | TehRabbitt | came across this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_gun |
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| 02:25.40 | abrotman | TehRabbitt: well, good luck with those files .. you have enough info to make a decent tr |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | try? |
| 02:25.59 | TehRabbitt | yupp thx :D |
| 02:26.12 | TehRabbitt | now i just gotta figure out the NAT rules X_X lol |
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| 02:27.16 | abrotman | netfilter.org and lartc.org have lots of docs |
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| 02:30.28 | Ormie | D: |
| 02:30.31 | TehRabbitt | abrotman: thx :) |
| 02:30.46 | Ormie | System -> ?No Preferences? |
| 02:30.54 | Ormie | what can i do? |
| 02:31.13 | Ormie | I press the "System" menu and i don't see any preferences. |
| 02:32.35 | Ormie | ? |
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| 02:32.40 | abrotman | Ormie: aptitude install gnome |
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| 02:33.08 | Ormie | i want to fix my GNOME 2, i don't wanna install new gnome 3. |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | good luck |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | Ormie: aptitude install gnome |
| 02:33.29 | abrotman | ignore the 'good luck' |
| 02:34.12 | Ormie | hey |
| 02:34.19 | Ormie | :) |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | run that command yet? |
| 02:35.50 | Ormie | abrotman, also, all i did to screw up my system is edit the repository at sources.list and upgrade my kernel version and using the 3.x.x bpo now. That doesn't seem to take any effect to the desktop environment... |
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| 02:35.57 | Ormie | that's all i did |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | Ormie: aptitude install gnome |
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| 02:36.25 | ksm | Hm |
| 02:36.36 | Ormie | abrotman, you must be crazy |
| 02:36.42 | Ormie | abrotman, listen to me! |
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| 02:36.52 | Ormie | all i did to screw up my system is edit the repository at sources.list and upgrade my kernel version and using the 3.x.x bpo now. That doesn't seem to take any effect to the desktop environment... |
| 02:36.53 | ksm | how would I simulate an end of transmission with echo -e |
| 02:37.11 | ksm | I tried `echo -e "\004" | nc -lp 1234` |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | Ormie: okay, so run the ocmmand, it won't hurt, right ? |
| 02:37.20 | Ormie | D: |
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| 02:37.42 | Ormie | I ASK YOU DOES THIS: |
| 02:37.48 | Ormie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:37.58 | Ormie | Take affect to my desktop environment? |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | i'll wait for you to run the command, thanks |
| 02:38.23 | craigevil | stop repeating yourself, abrotman gave you correct advise, you wont install gnome3 unless you are mixing releases |
| 02:38.30 | Ormie | jesus christ. |
| 02:39.05 | Ormie | apt-get or aptitude? |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | ... |
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| 02:39.24 | Ormie | which one is beter? |
| 02:39.30 | Ormie | apt-get or aptitude? |
| 02:39.34 | Ormie | :s |
| 02:40.10 | Devastator | Ormie can you please type the command exactly as abrotman said so i can get some sleep? |
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| 02:40.44 | Ormie | Devastator, i didn't highlight your nick. |
| 02:42.30 | Ormie | abrotman, done, it removed things... |
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| 02:43.00 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 02:43.06 | abrotman | so you're still mixing releases? |
| 02:43.13 | Ormie | abrotman, no |
| 02:43.42 | Ormie | abrotman, oh... forgot aptitude update :P |
| 02:43.54 | abrotman | ... |
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| 02:45.24 | Ormie | abrotman, No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 02:45.26 | Ormie | D: |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | Ormie: try it as a new user |
| 02:45.50 | Ormie | i used root |
| 02:46.00 | abrotman | not what i asked .. |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | but thanks .. |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | if you're going to keep arguing with everything i say, i'll let someone else help you |
| 02:46.29 | Ormie | uh |
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| 02:46.43 | abrotman | that might be a good idea anyway .. i'm heading ot bed shortly |
| 02:46.54 | Ormie | crys |
| 02:46.55 | abrotman | Also, running X as root is dangerous |
| 02:47.13 | Ormie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | try it as another user, see if a newly created user has the same problem |
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| 02:47.56 | un214 | abrotman: running X as root dangerous? really? |
| 02:47.59 | Ormie | nn |
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| 02:48.18 | Ormie | squashes un214 flat. |
| 02:48.19 | un214 | what user do you think *de runs as? |
| 02:48.30 | un214 | regenerates |
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| 02:49.07 | adrakoa | bye |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | un214: okay, you help him .. good luck |
| 02:49.45 | Ormie | squashes Debian flat. |
| 02:49.57 | Ormie | squeezes Debian |
| 02:50.03 | abrotman | un214: and your X session should be running as you, the DM runs as root |
| 02:50.12 | Ormie | bye |
| 02:50.32 | craigevil | !customer |
| 02:50.32 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 02:50.36 | renzhi | Hi all, what's the fastest way to create a bootable iso from an existing debian system? |
| 02:50.44 | un214 | right. when running X as root I use little more than sapphire + a few well-trusted apps |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | judd: info bootdisk --release squeeze |
| 02:50.51 | judd | No package named 'bootdisk' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | ugh |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | judd: info bootcd --release squeeze |
| 02:51.02 | judd | Package bootcd (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: run your system from cd without need for disks. Version: 3.23; Size: 79.8k; Installed: 332k |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | renzhi: ^^ |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | un214: that's your choice .. but *my* DE does not run as root |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | nor should they |
| 02:51.53 | un214 | I'd never dare kde as root either |
| 02:51.55 | renzhi | I'm using live-build, but it's slow to grab contents from a repo, and I already have a system configured properly, I want to create a bootable iso from that system. |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | i'm not using KDE |
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| 02:53.58 | Ormie | sigh |
| 02:54.26 | craigevil | loves his shiny kde 4.8.4 |
| 02:54.31 | Ormie | all of this problem happens is all thanks to this realtek firmware that i have to upgrade the kernel and edit repo and everything goes wrong :( |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | no, it didn't |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | you did something else |
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| 02:55.30 | craigevil | neither installing firmware nor installing a backported kernel messed things up, mixing releases does though |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | i still tihnk he didn't fix that |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | maybe someone should get the date on the installer log in /var/log/ |
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| 03:13.05 | Viking667 | hm. So, what user does a DM actually run as, under Debian? |
| 03:14.00 | un214 | the DM runs as you |
| 03:14.03 | un214 | the X server runs as root |
| 03:14.28 | nkuttler | how would the DM run as "you" before "you" is logged in? |
| 03:14.40 | un214 | doesn't DM = desktop manager |
| 03:14.53 | nkuttler | display manager |
| 03:14.58 | un214 | ah |
| 03:15.07 | un214 | that is normally X server which runs as root |
| 03:15.09 | nkuttler | Viking667: root, man ps |
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| 03:15.53 | Viking667 | I thought it ran as root. |
| 03:16.07 | Viking667 | but with people saying they don't run their DM as root, I wondered. |
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| 03:16.30 | nkuttler | Viking667: well you can probably set it to a user with the necessary permissions |
| 03:16.41 | un214 | it's actually possible now with KMS |
| 03:16.57 | un214 | but largely useless as a compromised X process can still hose your system in some cases |
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| 03:18.23 | penrod | greetings: I am hoping for assistance to resolve my current issue, being the root partition is full. I have gone through some of the basics and am drawing a blank |
| 03:18.40 | penrod | distribution is squeeze |
| 03:18.57 | nkuttler | penrod: try an apt-get clean |
| 03:19.16 | penrod | nkutter: did that and apt-get auto clean |
| 03:19.26 | penrod | and a reboot |
| 03:19.38 | nkuttler | penrod: well then delete some stuff |
| 03:20.32 | penrod | I would if I thought the system didn't need it |
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| 03:21.33 | nkuttler | penrod: stuff in ~/, or debfoster, deborphan, man du etc |
| 03:23.34 | penrod | nkuttler: /usr & /var have their partitions, debfoster ????? |
| 03:25.40 | craigevil | weird crap like that is why i only have / and /swap much easier to keep things neat and clean |
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| 03:28.52 | nkuttler | penrod: well how big is / and what's on it? and what's using up all the space? |
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| 03:30.05 | penrod | the root partition is 370 mb |
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| 03:32.19 | ksm | you have /usr, /var on different partitions, as well as /home and /tmp right? |
| 03:32.35 | Viking667 | sigh. I need to reset. |
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| 03:39.06 | saint_ | How do you install java re in debian? |
| 03:39.19 | jagginess | !java |
| 03:39.20 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:39.32 | Guest35403 | !install java |
| 03:39.32 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old sun-java6-* packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 03:39.56 | jagginess | you likely want sun-java6-jre |
| 03:40.06 | Guest35403 | Yeah, trying to use it in chrome. |
| 03:40.16 | jagginess | you acn try default-jre pacakge.. |
| 03:40.35 | jagginess | oops on my sun- package name.. :/ |
| 03:40.39 | Guest35403 | It says it's already the newest version. |
| 03:40.59 | jagginess | dpkg, java is cool |
| 03:41.00 | dpkg | ...but java is already something else... |
| 03:41.06 | jagginess | ta! |
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| 03:43.56 | forgotten | any help with http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi ? |
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| 03:44.36 | nkuttler | forgotten: that's commonly called an URL and you use a "web browser" to open it |
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| 03:50.22 | nkuttler | forgotten: please feel free to ask a more specific question |
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| 03:53.16 | forgotten | I install firmware-iwlwifi, the modules are loaded, but wlan0 never gets created for the wifi NIC.. |
| 03:53.40 | forgotten | this i found out of course after reading the URL in my web browser. |
| 03:54.00 | forgotten | and attempting the installation steps. |
| 03:54.19 | nkuttler | forgotten: i think you might have to reload the module if the firmware wasn't installed at initial loading, see /var/log/messages for details |
| 03:54.30 | nkuttler | and modprobe |
| 03:54.42 | forgotten | nkuttler: i've loaded/reloaded the modules, rebooted multiple times, wlan0 never shows up... |
| 03:54.55 | nkuttler | forgotten: well what does the log say? |
| 03:55.28 | forgotten | just that the modules load fine.. |
| 03:55.31 | forgotten | nothing about wlan0 |
| 03:55.57 | nkuttler | what kind of device is wlan0? |
| 03:56.24 | forgotten | intel link 1030 |
| 03:56.41 | forgotten | 008a rev34 is what is shows up in dmesg. |
| 03:58.14 | nkuttler | forgotten: is it pci, usb etc? |
| 03:58.53 | forgotten | it acts like USB, tho it is internal on a laptop. |
| 03:59.21 | forgotten | if i do function f2 to turn it on / off and tail /var/log/messages it shows USB connect /disconnect. |
| 03:59.40 | nkuttler | hm, you should see something about the device i guess |
| 04:00.02 | nkuttler | forgotten: pastebin grep -i iwl /var/log/messages |
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| 04:01.21 | nkuttler | i assume the device doesn't show up with iwconfig either? or ifconfig -a? |
| 04:01.35 | forgotten | http://pastebin.com/Jdah1qNa |
| 04:01.59 | forgotten | nkuttler: neagtive.. only have eth0/loop |
| 04:03.16 | nkuttler | forgotten: does the card show up in lsusb? |
| 04:04.05 | nkuttler | forgotten: btw, you did install the non-free firmware, right? |
| 04:04.13 | forgotten | nkuttler: I don't see it.. there are two that saw intel corp . integrated rate matching hub, and one that just says intel corp. i see nothing wireless |
| 04:04.15 | nkuttler | i'd expect a message that it gets loaded |
| 04:04.18 | nkuttler | ah |
| 04:04.29 | forgotten | nkuttler: i installed just the way the wiki page told me to... |
| 04:04.32 | nkuttler | forgotten: hrm.. just guessing, but maybe it's disabled in the bios |
| 04:05.00 | forgotten | if it were disabled in the bios why would i be able to function+f2 to turn it on and off.. and why would linux even see that.. |
| 04:05.23 | nkuttler | forgotten: why do you think the card gets turned on and off? |
| 04:05.38 | nkuttler | paste the log please |
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| 04:06.55 | forgotten | i rebooted to check the bios.. |
| 04:07.31 | forgotten | there is this funky option called USB Emulation, enable or disable.. |
| 04:07.40 | Rusty1 | try: rfkill list wifi |
| 04:07.40 | forgotten | like it could be PCI, but the bios is emulating it to usb? |
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| 04:11.41 | forgotten | Rusty1: returns nothing. |
| 04:12.01 | forgotten | nkuttler: not sure what ur asking me for, nore does it make sense. |
| 04:12.41 | nkuttler | forgotten: tail -f /var/log/messages , fn+f2 to disable/enable, pastebin the log |
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| 04:13.06 | forgotten | it's just disconnect/reconnect usb device 3. its really generic... |
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| 04:13.19 | tempguest | hi there |
| 04:13.24 | nkuttler | forgotten: sounds like there is no device connected at all |
| 04:13.38 | nkuttler | forgotten: it's a laptop, right? |
| 04:13.40 | Guest35403 | Is there a way to get debian up to date? I just installed and updated it as it is and it's still outdated a bit. Is there repos I add that doesn't come with it? |
| 04:14.07 | nkuttler | Guest35403: which newer software do you need? |
| 04:14.26 | forgotten | nkuttler: yes it's a laptop. the wireless worked fine on Win7 home premium prior to loading others. so i know it works right. |
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| 04:14.43 | tempguest | I think my encrypted LVM password has been compromised |
| 04:14.53 | Guest35403 | Well, I want to be able to install firefox for one. |
| 04:14.56 | nkuttler | forgotten: you might have more luck googling laptop model + linux install, maybe the setup is more tricky than usual |
| 04:14.59 | tempguest | maybe with a keyloger or something |
| 04:15.08 | nkuttler | Guest35403: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 04:15.09 | tempguest | how should I proceed? |
| 04:15.34 | forgotten | nkuttler: i wouldn't be here if i hadn't google'd a ton already. |
| 04:16.02 | nkuttler | forgotten: well i'm out of ideas. not much i can do without any trace in the logs |
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| 04:16.39 | forgotten | nkuttler: pastebin.com/Yj4KCSPj |
| 04:16.47 | forgotten | is what it looks like fn+f2 on and off |
| 04:17.08 | nkuttler | forgotten: that's just connecting some mass storage device |
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| 04:18.03 | forgotten | huh? |
| 04:18.11 | forgotten | no it's not... |
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| 04:21.54 | acu_ | I think I filled my /home/acu partitition - it is one single partition with everything else, how can I clean the downloaded packages (those called with apt-get or aptitude (I know the debs downloaded are kept in a cache somewhere in var I want to clean it |
| 04:22.32 | forgotten | oh screw it i'll just go to a 3.x kernel. |
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| 04:23.07 | forgotten | acu_: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 04:24.11 | acu | forgotten: there is a command clean aptitude |
| 04:25.01 | forgotten | u could go into that directory and just rm *.deb |
| 04:25.04 | forgotten | won't hurt nothing. |
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| 04:25.36 | forgotten | acu: but yes apt-get clean will remove the packages as well |
| 04:26.01 | nkuttler | forgotten: oh right, the wiki lists your device only under 3.2, i assumed you were running that |
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| 04:27.02 | forgotten | the module, doesn't explain why it doesn't natively work in the kernel either, which i had a whole round with yesterday. |
| 04:27.25 | ksm | Since we're talking about the 3.2 kernel |
| 04:27.44 | ksm | has anyone noticed 3.2.20 has weird load averages |
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| 04:40.34 | acu | I have a weird message after update of wheezy - some ICE authority file ... logout - that is all, I just assume the partition is full ?- I just apt-get clean and check the hard, there is plenty left - I have to see the message more exactly |
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| 04:42.51 | acu | yes that was it - full partition- I logged in OK now |
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| 04:45.04 | ksm | track down what's taking up all that space with du (If you haven't already) |
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| 04:46.34 | mohanad_turk | hi all |
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| 05:31.29 | acu | I just can't install properly wheezy AMD64 in an i7 laptop- I can't get gdm or kdm to work, it has a radeon vga |
| 05:32.14 | bardzusny | acu: what happens exactly? |
| 05:33.40 | acu | bardzunsny: I install the firmware version of daily - everything installs fine = it reboots and then it won't go in GNOME - it hansk on eth0: no iPV6 routers present - I cannot do anything - I press ctrl c nothing |
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| 05:35.38 | acu | I can get in as root but I have a persistent message about lan and wlan0 link is not ready, however even gnome did not start |
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| 05:48.53 | Catnaroek | Hello, is there any way to tell apt-get to install suggested packages that match a certain pattern? |
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| 05:53.46 | cardamon | Catnaroek: like a regular expression? |
| 05:54.01 | Catnaroek | cardamon: Yeah, that could be. |
| 05:54.32 | Catnaroek | Basically, what I want to do is, when I install a package of the form libghc-whatever-dev, I also want to install libghc-whatever-prof and libghc-whatever-doc. |
| 05:54.51 | cardamon | Well, I know you use env variables. |
| 05:55.13 | Catnaroek | Oh. |
| 05:55.47 | cardamon | Er, not env variables. |
| 05:56.03 | cardamon | It's the bash syntax for doing one thing before another thing. |
| 05:56.17 | Catnaroek | && ? |
| 05:56.33 | cardamon | $() |
| 05:56.38 | Catnaroek | Ah! |
| 05:56.44 | cardamon | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:56.49 | cardamon | For example. |
| 05:57.50 | ksm | I thought you just used `` |
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| 05:58.43 | Catnaroek | I tried something like "apt-cache search libghc | grep ^libghc | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | sudo xargs dpkg -i" |
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| 06:00.18 | cardamon | I'm trying to get calibre to use okular for pdfs. It keeps opening them with gimp. |
| 06:00.28 | Catnaroek | Sorry, I meant "xargs sudo" |
| 06:00.34 | Catnaroek | Instead of "sudo xargs" |
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| 06:01.32 | mah454 | apt-get update or apt-file update download some files from internet . what is stored this files ? |
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| 06:01.56 | mah454 | s/what/where/ |
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| 06:06.08 | craigevil | mah454, in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 06:07.20 | mah454 | craigevil, this path store deb files . I need path of Content files (bz2 format) |
| 06:07.26 | mah454 | or gz |
| 06:08.20 | mah454 | find (apt-file) : /var/cache/apt/apt-file |
| 06:08.22 | craigevil | mah454, /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 06:08.34 | cardamon | xdg is no help |
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| 06:08.55 | cardamon | xdg-settings --list only shows four things, and they're all URL related. |
| 06:09.07 | craigevil | apt-file depends on how you ran it, can be in ~/home or /var/cache/apt/apt-file/ |
| 06:09.48 | craigevil | cardamon, are you running gnome or kde? if so look for file associations in system settings or preferences |
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| 07:10.02 | stephan48 | is there some script for debian to detect if a internet connection is free/censored/filtered? |
| 07:10.41 | kakashi_ | what is the equivalent of sun-java6-plugin for wheezy |
| 07:11.36 | cardamon | kakashi_: icedtea |
| 07:11.54 | zecrazytux | kakashi_: openjdk replaces sun's jre |
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| 07:12.29 | zecrazytux | sun's can't be distributed anymore |
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| 07:12.52 | cardamon | icedtea-plugin and openjdk. |
| 07:12.53 | zecrazytux | oracle's* now |
| 07:13.23 | cardamon | openjdk is built from java's source, then with the icedtea binaries for the parts that aren't open. |
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| 07:13.41 | cardamon | But it's mostly a licensing issue. |
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| 07:14.30 | craigevil | or if you must have Oracle Java, install java-package and build a deb for whichever version you need |
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| 07:21.46 | cardamon | I was going to add an xdg-mime entry for pdfs, but I wanted to make sure I was going about it first. |
| 07:22.00 | cardamon | Last I time I did something without being sure...things broke. |
| 07:23.31 | cardamon | xdg-mime query default application/pdf shows me nothing, so I assume it's not set. Thunar knows to use okular, calibre does not...it keeps going for GIMP. I don't have a DE either. |
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| 07:24.27 | craigevil | check mimetypes |
| 07:24.45 | cardamon | What do you mean? |
| 07:25.21 | cardamon | /etc/mime.types ? |
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| 07:26.12 | cardamon | I don't see any useful information there. |
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| 07:27.17 | craigevil | take a look in /.local/share/mime/ |
| 07:27.28 | cardamon | or ~/? |
| 07:27.34 | craigevil | right |
| 07:27.54 | cardamon | mime/ doesn't exist |
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| 07:33.45 | cardamon | craigevil: I stump you? |
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| 07:42.21 | sohum | LoK feels/window 32 |
| 07:42.24 | sohum | bah, mischan |
| 07:42.28 | sebas-89 | hi guys |
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| 07:46.54 | intore | good morning, i have problem with the microphone of my dell laptop. The reproduced sound after registration has loud noises and i don't know how fix it. could you hlep me please? |
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| 07:56.33 | gnarface | intore: sounds like user error to me; can you refute this |
| 07:56.45 | derpella | Hello... I installed update, and also non-free firmware (for my gpu) and now some games, like zsnes and out of order crash when run. For zsnes it was this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/346155 and the fix worked, but this fix doesn't work for other games... How do I fix it? |
| 07:56.52 | mntzn | Hi, how can I get version of a package that's in the repository? |
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| 07:59.17 | derpella | out-of-order is sludge, the error for it is "Error building "scale" shader program!". I am asking here because everything worked fine before update, and I have other games that die immidietally. |
| 08:00.12 | intore | gnarface, am trying to modify volumes in alsamixer and noises are decreased but still there! |
| 08:01.01 | cardamon | mntzn: aptitude show |
| 08:01.30 | mntzn | cardamon: thanks |
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| 08:02.19 | sebas-89 | intore: Do you try to insall paddevchooser? |
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| 08:02.51 | sebas-89 | *padevchooser |
| 08:03.58 | intore | sebas-89, gnarface, in alsamixer i've capture: 100 and two "Digital" columns, using the first one the noises is not very loud, using the second one also the noise is very very loud |
| 08:04.03 | intore | sebas-89, no |
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| 08:04.57 | sebas-89 | intore: you should try it. |
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| 08:05.20 | intore | sebas-89, must install only that or pulseaudio also? |
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| 08:06.11 | sebas-89 | intore: pulseaudio too |
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| 08:06.37 | sebas-89 | if there is anyproblem uninstall it |
| 08:07.00 | intore | sebas-89, done, installed. |
| 08:07.30 | sebas-89 | on shell writes padevchooser |
| 08:07.36 | sebas-89 | and try buddy |
| 08:08.13 | sebas-89 | you can reboot too, that would fine |
| 08:09.00 | sebas-89 | in gnome-panel appear the icon from padevchooser |
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| 08:10.42 | intore | sebas-89, it doesn't run, connection refused. i'll reboot |
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| 08:15.47 | mithrop | hi all |
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| 08:16.43 | mithrop | A little question about Android and physical device development... Actually, according to some blog posts, I have to set the mode 666 for all USB like devices... But, this isn't a security issue ? oO |
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| 08:18.11 | Devastator | mithrop are you sure this is a debian related question? |
| 08:18.23 | intore | sebas-89, well, on skype set for pulseaudio is ok but registering from shell using arecord is the same |
| 08:18.25 | kresten | Hi guys. I have a javascript application I want to deploy on my debian server. I would like to create a deb package of it, as to handle updates easier. Are there any ressources on creating deb packages of javascript projects? Preferably using some kind of build tool. |
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| 08:20.17 | mithrop | Devastator, yes ;) It's not about the ADB problem, just the eventually security issue of this line : SUBSYSTEM==”usb”, ENV{DEVTYPE}==”usb_device”, \ MODE=”0666“ in /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rule ;) |
| 08:20.50 | sebas-89 | intore: Didn't works? |
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| 08:21.27 | Devastator | mithrop i see, now it's more clear to me, sorry... anyway, i guess it wants you to ensure full access to usb |
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| 08:22.04 | mithrop | Devastator, yep. But this rules is available for ALL usb devices, isn't it ? |
| 08:22.30 | Devastator | mithrop seems like it, yes |
| 08:23.18 | mithrop | Devastator, so I'm asking myself if it's not a security problem to give a full access when Debian initially set it to 664 ;) |
| 08:23.34 | intore | sebas-89, skype has automatically set PulseAudio server for microphone/speaker and registering runs very well but using alsamixer (e.g. arecord still registers noises) |
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| 08:24.40 | Devastator | mithrop maybe you can use 666 just while you are developing, then change back to 664?! |
| 08:26.22 | mithrop | okay. Not really a problem, but I just want to be sure ;) thank you :) |
| 08:26.43 | jelly-home | kresten: the javascript team mailing list might me a good place to ask. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel |
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| 08:28.44 | Devastator | mithrop i'm not an expert, perhaps someone can give you a better answer |
| 08:28.56 | sebas-89 | but padevochooser appears on gnome-panel? |
| 08:29.24 | mithrop | actually, it's working right now ;) I'll see for security problem when I have time for this ^^ |
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| 08:29.43 | Devastator | mithrop alright :) |
| 08:29.46 | mithrop | I just want to check if there is a problem : I'm still thinking there is one :) |
| 08:30.06 | intore | sebas-89, yes |
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| 08:32.34 | kresten | jelly-home: Okay, thank you |
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| 08:33.02 | sebas-89 | intore: it served anything? |
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| 08:33.23 | bolt | Is there an easy way to keep up with the latest chromium is squeeze? Almost tempted to actually go with chrome... |
| 08:33.56 | sebas-89 | bolt:I have the ppa chromium repository |
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| 08:34.02 | bolt | on debian? |
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| 08:34.05 | sebas-89 | yes |
| 08:34.11 | bolt | .. |
| 08:34.11 | sebas-89 | really is from Ubuntu |
| 08:34.14 | sebas-89 | but runs ok |
| 08:34.29 | bolt | is sceptical towards installing ubuntu stuff on debian |
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| 08:34.42 | mithrop | think the same thing that bolt |
| 08:34.47 | Devastator | bolt isn't chromium being backported? |
| 08:35.04 | sebas-89 | bolt: I've lucid version |
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| 08:35.12 | sebas-89 | runs without problems |
| 08:35.19 | bolt | Devastator: not on backports.org at least |
| 08:35.20 | intore | sebas-89, i've seen is possible manage volumes but i don't know what it does. i repeat, skype is now ok |
| 08:35.40 | bolt | Devastator: and being stuck with the squeeze version kind of stinks |
| 08:36.26 | Devastator | bolt have you tried to backport yourself? |
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| 08:36.43 | sebas-89 | intore: ok, so that helped something |
| 08:36.45 | mithrop | bolt, I have installed both (Chrome and Chromium). I don't know the latest version number, can you give it to me plz ? |
| 08:36.55 | Devastator | i just can't remember the bot command to check for broken dependencies |
| 08:37.00 | intore | sebas-89, yes! |
| 08:37.10 | Devastator | ,versions chromium |
| 08:37.11 | bolt | mithrop: that depends entirely on which branch you want. just go on their site... |
| 08:37.12 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 20.0.1132.41~r143299-1 |
| 08:37.16 | intore | sebas-89, thanks |
| 08:37.27 | bolt | Devastator: if i backport it myself it's not going to keep up to date on its own |
| 08:37.35 | bolt | Devastator: as far as i know anyway |
| 08:37.58 | bolt | Devastator: i got as far as trying to get the build deps for the sid version, but they weren't available in squeeze it seems |
| 08:38.19 | bolt | it would be sub optimal anyway |
| 08:38.30 | Devastator | bolt you do know latest isn't always better/stable, correct? |
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| 08:39.22 | mithrop | bolt, didn't find any version number. Not a problem ^^ |
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| 08:39.39 | bolt | Devastator: perfectly. why do you think i'm on squeeze in the first place? when it comes to browsers, however, this is often the case. chromium 6 is simply outdated |
| 08:39.40 | Devastator | at least the squeeze version is known to work without problems, maybe the wheezy version too |
| 08:39.42 | sebas-89 | intore: no problem guy, you're welcome |
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| 08:39.55 | sebas-89 | and sorry for my english |
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| 08:40.20 | bolt | Devastator: the squeeze version does, for instance, lack a critical patch i need that makes it fallback to write its socket file in /tmp if it can't make sockets in the home directory of the user |
| 08:40.31 | sebas-89 | 18.0.1025.151 is the current number version from PPA |
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| 08:40.37 | sebas-89 | (chromium) |
| 08:40.37 | bolt | Devastator: and my home file system doesn't support sockets |
| 08:41.12 | Devastator | bolt have you reported that in bugtrack? |
| 08:41.24 | bolt | Devastator: no need. it's been reported and fixed already |
| 08:41.30 | bolt | Devastator: long ago, actually |
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| 08:42.20 | Devastator | bolt i see, it was fixed but doesn't hit squeeze, correct? |
| 08:42.33 | bolt | Devastator: as far as I know, yes |
| 08:44.13 | Devastator | in that case i think your only option is to backport yourself and try to check for updates manually, then backport again when you feel you need to |
| 08:44.29 | Devastator | it's a bummer but i have no other idea.. |
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| 08:45.00 | bolt | Devastator: it would seem that way. backport myself, go with a shady ubuntu ppa or simply use the chrome package from google, giving them all my personal information and browsing habits :( |
| 08:45.11 | bolt | oh well. backport it is |
| 08:45.24 | sebas-89 | buddies I must go |
| 08:45.37 | sebas-89 | nice talk with you |
| 08:46.00 | bolt | have fun, sebas-89 |
| 08:46.09 | Devastator | gn sebas-89 :) |
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| 08:48.33 | Devastator | jelly-home do you happen to know the command for checking backport dependencies with judd? |
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| 08:49.11 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport rtorrent |
| 08:49.18 | judd | Backporting package rtorrent in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.13.2~), libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev. |
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| 08:51.26 | Devastator | bolt i think you will have a bit of trouble backporting, judd's answer: Backporting package chromium in sid->squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.6, gyp (>= 0.1~svn1119), libcups2-dev (>= 1.5.0), libwebp-dev, libv8-dev (>= 3.8). |
| 08:51.41 | Devastator | jelly-home thanks! |
| 08:52.54 | jelly-home | ,versions chromium |
| 08:52.55 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 18.0.1025.151~r130497-1; sid: 20.0.1132.41~r143299-1 |
| 08:53.07 | jelly-home | huh, no stable 19 |
| 08:53.30 | r4co0n | hello guys. I need to find documentation on how to connect a pandora-fms server to a pandora-fms daemon. Sounds easy and surely is if you can find out how, but my google foo is too weak. |
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| 08:54.10 | r4co0n | would really appreciate help on this... |
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| 08:55.08 | bolt | Devastator: that's the problem I had when I attempted it yesterday, yes |
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| 08:55.30 | Devastator | jelly-home if a browser like chromium gets major updates, can it go to squeeze repo or no packages go to stable besides security updates? |
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| 08:56.04 | Devastator | bolt ok, and have you tried to backport those dependencies too? |
| 08:56.16 | bolt | Devastator: nope |
| 08:56.25 | Devastator | let me check.. |
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| 08:57.45 | cardamon | Huh. I don't see an rtorrent.rc file anywhere. |
| 08:57.48 | jelly-home | for cups one might try using the available version instead. Similar for the compiler. Dunno what gyp is, but the rest (webp, v8) are pretty close-tied to chromium |
| 08:57.55 | Devastator | bolt yeah, it would take A LOT of work, for starts, to backport g++-4.6 binutils entirely |
| 08:58.00 | cardamon | Devastator: The second thing you said. |
| 08:58.14 | bolt | Devastator: yeah :( |
| 08:58.38 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport libv8-dev |
| 08:58.39 | judd | Backporting package libv8-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 08:58.48 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport libwebp-dev |
| 08:58.50 | judd | Backporting package libwebp-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
| 08:59.00 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport gyp |
| 08:59.02 | judd | Backporting package gyp in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 08:59.06 | jelly-home | looks good |
| 08:59.22 | Devastator | yeah, only the compiler is giving trouble |
| 08:59.35 | Devastator | cardamon i said? |
| 08:59.35 | jelly-home | so don't backport it, use what's there |
| 08:59.51 | bolt | Devastator: gonna try and download the source from the chromium site. not sure if the source actually requires the versions the versions the sid package does. it's supposed to be buildable on squeeze afaik |
| 08:59.56 | jelly-home | and hope there's no real reason for gcc 4.6 |
| 09:00.03 | cardamon | Devastator: Nothing goes to stable that's not a security update. |
| 09:00.24 | Devastator | bolt look what jelly said, backport libv8-dev, libwebp-dev and gyp, then try to build the package anyway.. |
| 09:00.39 | Devastator | cardamon oh, thanks! |
| 09:00.55 | bolt | ah |
| 09:00.56 | bolt | i' |
| 09:01.02 | bolt | i'll give that a shot, thanks |
| 09:02.18 | Devastator | bolt those 3 packages have dependencies satisfied, only g++-4.6 that doesn't, so use libcups2-dev you have on squeeze and the g++ version you have on squeeze, if you are lucky, it might build without problems |
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| 09:06.08 | jelly-home | cardamon: there are _rare_ exceptions when something is horribly broken so it's better to bring a new version in stable, or remove it completely rather than keep it ther |
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| 09:06.31 | Devastator | not the case for chromium i guess |
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| 09:13.34 | jelly-home | Devastator: I usually suggest installing firefox tarball from mozilla for squeeze-abiding coworkers, and putting it in /opt/firefox chowned to the user so their security updates Just Work. |
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| 09:22.09 | bolt | hm.. "E: Build-Depends dependency for libwebp-dev cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements" |
| 09:22.22 | bolt | doesn't seem like that one wants to backport easily either |
| 09:23.56 | Devastator | bolt according to judd, dependencies are satisfied |
| 09:24.11 | bolt | judd does apparently not run on my system :) |
| 09:24.15 | bolt | strange |
| 09:24.30 | Cottus | i enabled experimental+unstable , then installed wine64-bin, then dpkg --add-architecture i386, i installed wine, .... uninstalled it , removed experimental+unstable,now i cannot install wine:i386 because of unresolved dependencies, i searched for experimental packages installed, none |
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| 09:25.29 | Devastator | bolt judd is channel's bot :) |
| 09:25.38 | bolt | Devastator: I know |
| 09:25.52 | Devastator | hehe |
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| 09:25.59 | bolt | Devastator: just saying it's not determining build dependencies using my system |
| 09:26.11 | bolt | Devastator: not sure why it can't find debhelper :/ |
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| 09:29.27 | jelly-home | bolt: you'll probably have to enable squeeze-backports |
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| 09:30.11 | jelly-home | Cottus: which debian release are you supposed to have installed? |
| 09:30.20 | Cottus | testing |
| 09:30.33 | Cottus | sorry |
| 09:30.35 | Cottus | stable |
| 09:30.42 | Cottus | i then enabled testing |
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| 09:31.30 | jelly-home | Cottus: use dpkg or apt logs to find out all the upgraded packages. Remove them using dpkg, then fix the apt situation with apt-get -f install. |
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| 09:32.07 | Cottus | ok |
| 09:32.25 | jelly-home | sweb: #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:35.51 | Cottus | jelly-home, you mean find those installed which are on testing? |
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| 09:36.11 | Cottus | i dont know how to do it otherwise |
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| 09:37.02 | Devastator | Cottus you know when you did it, correct? then you just need to check apt logs like jelly said |
| 09:37.15 | Cottus | ok |
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| 10:14.15 | ksm | it happened again |
| 10:14.36 | ksm | it pparently happens exactly at 4 am; i915 just crashes |
| 10:14.47 | ksm | or around 4 am for me |
| 10:15.25 | ksm | Now the real question is: what am I doing up at 4am? |
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| 10:39.27 | smjm | I don't really care if it takes more than 5 seconds to resolve the dependencies |
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| 10:43.57 | Sevet | smjm: setting Aptitude::ProblemResolver::StepLimit perhaps (not sure) |
| 10:45.32 | jubo2 | allright.. The only setting change I did was to add two lines to /etc/X11/xorg.conf that were supposed to enable multi-finger scroll and when switching workspace with Compiz'es gweat graphical navigator the windows no longer snap to sceen in vertical direction when dragging 'em from workspace to workspace *g* |
| 10:45.58 | jubo2 | competing OS'es have multi-finger gestures and not just scroll |
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| 10:46.40 | jubo2 | I don't have any multifinger gestures and the windows in multi-workspace view no longer snap to the obvious edges of screens |
| 10:46.46 | bakaneko | hi. i have a problem my wifi asks password, connects, and then drops a connection and asks passwodr again. I updated to wheezy. on squeeze it worked. i have thinkpad x220 and the wifi card seemed like from "Broadcom" |
| 10:47.27 | ksm | jubo2: use synclient |
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| 10:47.58 | jubo2 | bakaneko: I think they're almost all Broadcom just like almost all of the CD reader units were made by one company, Matsushita Electric .. |
| 10:47.59 | ksm | bakaneko: wrong password / selecting wrong encryption type? |
| 10:48.21 | jubo2 | loves all things analog if they in any reasonable way compete with digital binary |
| 10:48.55 | dutchfish | hi, is there a way to get a full buildlog in a log file with `fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc` ? if so, how? |
| 10:49.08 | bakaneko | no. it connects to the internetz and then about in 20 seconds it disconnects |
| 10:49.17 | jubo2 | guitar tuners, clocks, even radios though digital Phased Loop Locking is superior to other FM tuners, say, when in a train.. |
| 10:49.33 | jubo2 | Digital analog tuning. check. |
| 10:49.33 | bakaneko | on sqeeze everything worked ok |
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| 10:50.28 | jubo2 | what about my vertical snap edges to left it snaps but the upper edge does not snap no more. |
| 10:50.32 | bakaneko | where can i see the logs? i want mai waifaiz |
| 10:50.32 | jubo2 | huh? |
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| 10:51.54 | bakaneko | should i try to install old driver from stable or what? |
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| 10:53.35 | jubo2 | oi thank you thank you, be blessed FOSS devels yet where the hell is proper snapping to workspace when using Compiz graphical navigate to arrange windows to the four workspaces? |
| 10:53.56 | jubo2 | someone or something dunn turn it off |
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| 10:55.07 | jubo2 | who dunn it.. U cannot know my sudo passwd? It's impossible, my passwords are made with systems of systems to make passwords.. I'm not disclosing the methods or what variations are used where.. |
| 10:55.25 | Sevet | dutchfish: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc 2>&1 | tee build.log |
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| 10:55.39 | Sevet | (tee will output to both stdout and build.log) |
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| 10:57.03 | dutchfish | Sevet, extremely cool! thanks. |
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| 10:59.40 | jubo2 | The crunchiness of command line POSIX compabitility combined with the smoothness of a GUI made by Mapple Computer Products Corporation now seems getting competition from Microsoft with it's Surface.. I think we should just copy that and make same pad top computing system in FOSS |
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| 11:00.22 | jubo2 | It's like having peanut butter that is both smooth and crunchy at the same time |
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| 11:04.01 | dutchfish | Sevet, dpkg-buildpackage: error: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 (when using tee) |
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| 11:05.26 | dutchfish | Sevet, fixed it, my mistake |
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| 11:05.40 | dutchfish | Sevet, thanks again. |
| 11:05.48 | Sevet | np :) |
| 11:08.12 | dutchfish | Sevet, the problem was an old coreutils (fixed now) |
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| 11:15.37 | Ugly_Duck | if you are running a cron job and you want to log the outcome of the cron, do you just task >> /var/log/file.log? |
| 11:15.58 | ksk | you can. cron will mail all output to the executing user anyways |
| 11:16.24 | Ugly_Duck | ahh.. ok, thanks |
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| 11:16.57 | ksm | I read ksk's line and was like "wait, when did I say that ... oh." |
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| 11:19.58 | icedwater | Hi! I'd like to know if webcamd from the repos is still being maintained. I'm working on an English translation for the comments in the perl script :) |
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| 11:25.18 | Sevet | icedwater: i don't think so. squeeze,wheezy,sid all have 0.7.6-5 so no updates since squeeze. the .tar.gz seems to suggest http://webcamd.tuxfamily.org was the project website, but it no longer exists |
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| 11:27.50 | Sevet | icedwater: try emailing the package maintainer to find out the latest state of the project |
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| 11:30.44 | icedwater | Sevet: thanks for the response. |
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| 11:31.05 | icedwater | I have 0.7.5 though, at least that's the label in the script itself. |
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| 11:42.27 | centrux | buenas |
| 11:42.33 | JeffJohnson | moin |
| 11:42.56 | derpella | I remind myself again: after this update: http://pastebin.com/sYpQgzb0 I have errors with sound in games, for example "ALSA lib pcm.c:7339:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred" in ZSNES |
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| 11:47.09 | Sevet | icedwater: webcamd line 8? yea, that look a mistake in the package - package version is 0.7.6-5 |
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| 11:47.38 | zealiod | Im using rsyslog to push all my dhcp info to .log file - which is working, but its still writing to messages also… can this be stopped? |
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| 11:55.15 | icedwater | I would prefer to believe the source code than the package version, heh Sevet :P |
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| 11:56.46 | Sevet | then believe README_EN, README_FR, index_down.html or index_up.html ;) |
| 11:56.55 | va | I've installed squeeze from netinst.iso with no network available (had to cancel after base system was installed). Now i'm booted into the minimal system with network. What should I run to complete the installation? |
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| 11:57.38 | Sevet | va: try running tasksel |
| 11:57.57 | matlads | va: you can install the packages you want directly I guess. Or use tasksel |
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| 11:58.13 | icedwater | Sevet: strangely, none of this was installed on my system, at least not in $HOME/.webcamd |
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| 11:58.56 | va | cheers |
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| 11:59.58 | Sevet | icewwater: no, it wouldn't be there since no package will install to $HOME. run `dpkg -L webcamd`, those files are under /usr/share/doc/webcamd |
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| 12:00.33 | icedwater | I know, I just did that. |
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| 12:00.55 | icedwater | I was just wondering since I tried to run webcamd after apt-get did its work and it kept telling me to RTFM :P |
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| 12:08.34 | architekt | Hi, does anyone know the IRC nickname of Marillat (deb-multimedia)? |
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| 12:17.59 | sweb | http://superuser.com/questions/441264/check-for-valid-document-files |
| 12:18.26 | June25 | is there something similair Spy++ in X11? |
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| 12:18.35 | abrotman | June25: which does ? |
| 12:18.40 | bolt | sweb: bot? |
| 12:19.05 | sweb | bolt: what ? me ? |
| 12:19.06 | June25 | abrotman: identifies a window to a process |
| 12:19.09 | abrotman | sweb: stop spamming here |
| 12:19.25 | June25 | xkill killed the wrong window |
| 12:19.34 | abrotman | repeatedly? |
| 12:19.35 | sweb | abrotman: sorry i dont want to spam |
| 12:19.42 | abrotman | sweb: so stop pasting links here |
| 12:19.59 | sweb | abrotman: ok |
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| 12:20.33 | June25 | ouch |
| 12:20.40 | June25 | xkill killed the window manager ;) |
| 12:21.29 | June25 | ok. reboot x11 is its ;) |
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| 12:31.06 | rgr | in synaptic I see I can install the 3.2 kernel on my debian stable. When I mark it for installation it says the old kernel, 2.6, is to be removed but there is no indiaction that new kernel is to be installed. Is this normal or am I missing something or are dependencies hosed? |
| 12:32.11 | DotHack | rgr: 3.2 from backports? |
| 12:32.18 | rgr | yes. |
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| 12:32.50 | DotHack | rgr: if you mark it it should install |
| 12:33.16 | DotHack | rgr: and it shouldnt have to deinstall the old kernel |
| 12:33.33 | rgr | well obviously. But its not listed in "packages to be installed". Which is worrying... Especially since it says its going to remove my working kernel... |
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| 12:34.04 | DotHack | rgr: that is indeed worrying... |
| 12:34.16 | rgr | I think I'll give it a miss :) |
| 12:34.37 | DotHack | rgr: maybe aptitude will give you some more info |
| 12:34.46 | rgr | yeah, trying that now |
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| 12:37.49 | rgr | ok, that was even more scary. I'll pass. |
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| 12:43.53 | DotHack | rgr: why was that scary |
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| 12:44.34 | DotHack | rgr: exactly what package are you trying to upgrade? |
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| 12:44.47 | abrotman | rgr: was it removing the kernel, or the old metapackage? |
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| 12:57.13 | killermoehre | hi. I've debootstraped a debian stable environment and want now to put this on a live cd. Any advice? |
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| 13:01.23 | Sevet | !t kkillermoehre debian live |
| 13:01.29 | Sevet | !t killermoehre debian live |
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| 13:02.11 | Sevet | !t killermoehre about debian live |
| 13:02.18 | killermoehre | Sevet: nothing |
| 13:02.27 | Sevet | !tell killermoehre about debian live |
| 13:02.37 | Sevet | that's the one... !t is a different bot :) |
| 13:03.03 | Sevet | 'and allows creation of your own' is the key part for you i guess |
| 13:03.11 | Sevet | (i haven't used it myself though) |
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| 13:05.01 | killermoehre | Sevet: got it, thank you |
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| 13:08.13 | milligan | I've got a virtual machine running on vmware. I increased the processor count on it (went from dual to quad) and rebooted the machine. Looking at the CPU load, it's still at ~1.0, and checking top it seems that mysql is running @Â 100% on one core, instead of utilizing them all. What could be causing that? |
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| 13:10.11 | jelly-home | milligan: each connection is served by one thread. |
| 13:11.52 | milligan | hmm .. guess I need to take my question to #mysql then .. |
| 13:12.14 | jelly-home | sounds like a better place to ask than this channel |
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| 13:12.48 | pparadis | milligan: database servers in general will use one thread per connection, as jelly-home noted. spanning multiple cores on a single statement is difficult for a number of reasons. |
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| 13:19.09 | rgr | abrotman: the kernel and the intramfs. The only thing in the "to be installed" was dracut (whatever that is). |
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| 13:20.28 | trysten | rgr: i think dracut is like initrd-ng |
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| 13:22.46 | rgr | aptitude was even scarier. Not sure where to go other than to keep my system as it is. Would have liked hte new kernel though. http://i.imgur.com/D0ypO.png |
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| 13:23.06 | rgr | (and yes I did update) |
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| 13:25.34 | abrotman | rgr: linux-base is not your kernel |
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| 13:25.58 | rgr | I know. That was aptitude output. synaptic wanted to remove the kernel image. |
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| 13:26.46 | abrotman | i don't use synaptic, can't comment/win 1 |
| 13:27.20 | jelly-home | lose 1 |
| 13:27.23 | rgr | the aptitude output is pretty foreign to me : does it look easily worked around or would you advise staying as I am. |
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| 13:28.40 | abrotman | rgr: hit Y, see what it says it's really going to do |
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| 13:28.46 | abrotman | rgr: are you pinning on that box? |
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| 13:29.04 | rgr | no pinning. I think. Hmm. Wait. I'll recheck. |
| 13:29.07 | abrotman | i mean, we've got lots of people doing that ugprade, haven't seen that issue yet |
| 13:29.09 | jelly-home | dracut is an alternative initramfs builder (default one in RHEL6 btw) |
| 13:30.33 | jelly-home | rgr: apt-get often does the most conservative dependency resolution, out of the tools available |
| 13:30.39 | rgr | well I have no preferences file |
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| 13:31.12 | abrotman | rgr: you used "aptitutde -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-<yourarch>" ? |
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| 13:32.20 | jelly-home | ,v linux-image-686-pae |
| 13:32.21 | judd | Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44 |
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| 13:41.08 | abrotman | or don't answer .. |
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| 13:41.24 | fraff | hi all, I had to install oracle-xe-client(x86) on a amd64 debian to compil/install php5-oci8, dpkg -l shows oracle-xe-client but aptitude complains that it's not installed when I try to install php5-oci8 ... what am I missing ? |
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| 13:46.20 | Devastator-work | my router is still running lenny, to check if this lenny is up to date, i should just change repos to archive.debian.org and then run apt-get update? |
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| 13:47.12 | ksk | Devastator-work: yap. but lenny is EOL, upgrade to squeeze |
| 13:47.14 | critch | for wheezy, what package do I need to actually get the appearance preference option for gnome? |
| 13:47.20 | ksk | !tell Devastator-work about lenny->squeeze |
| 13:48.00 | Devastator-work | ksk, i will, but not on a production server right this moment |
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| 13:48.16 | jelly-home | Devastator-work: is this router an x86 box? |
| 13:48.30 | Devastator-work | jelly-home: yes |
| 13:49.00 | rgr | sorry lost there. Had to restart erc. abrotman : if I have backports in my sources why do I need to specify -t? Its there with no pinning as the aptitude output indicated. |
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| 13:50.36 | jelly-home | Devastator-work: right. however lenny sources at archive.d.o are slightly borked (apt will complain the release file is out of date) |
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| 13:54.25 | Devastator-work | jelly-home: i'm investigating an issue about my imap e-mail accounts, according to netfilter, hosts with kernel older than 2.6.25 and hosts with kernel newer than 2.6.25 would have a bug in tcp engine, so i would like to update my lenny and see if it gets some newer 2.6.26 kernel with some patch or so |
| 13:54.47 | Devastator-work | jelly-home: just a workaround before upgrading to squeeze |
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| 13:58.33 | abrotman | right .. why follow instructions |
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| 14:02.18 | Onixs | hi guys :) |
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| 14:03.15 | Devastator-work | does this look correct for sources.list? trying to update lenny |
| 14:03.16 | Devastator-work | http://codepad.org/cIE932kL |
| 14:04.20 | jelly-home | where's that security framework blackshirt dude, i have something for him https://twitter.com/rhatdan/status/217253547962667008 |
| 14:04.31 | Sevet | !tell Devastator-work about lenny |
| 14:04.36 | Sevet | !tell Devastator-work about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:04.52 | jelly-home | Sevet: he already got told. |
| 14:05.06 | Devastator-work | no worries |
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| 14:05.29 | Sevet | jelly-home: ah ok |
| 14:05.34 | jelly-home | people should damn well look at the backlog before throwing useless factoids |
| 14:05.34 | Onixs | Is it possible to configure a single wlan as an AP and repeater? |
| 14:06.12 | jelly-home | Devastator-work: try it and see. |
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| 14:06.21 | Devastator-work | jelly-home: alright |
| 14:06.36 | jelly-home | I believe the last two lines are useless |
| 14:07.37 | jelly-home | or at least wrong and s,http://archive.debian.org/,http://archive.debian.org/debian-security, |
| 14:08.08 | Devastator-work | ok |
| 14:08.13 | Devastator-work | cross his fingers |
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| 14:11.27 | Devastator-work | jelly-home: worked, now let's see what i have to upgrade heh |
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| 14:12.35 | Devastator-work | 77mb, not much |
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| 14:12.54 | dvs | gasps |
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| 14:15.30 | wingnut2626 | i started the ssh service, and want to connect to it remotely from a device on the same wireless router. what is the address i should connect to? the 'inet' address on wlan0, correct? |
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| 14:16.31 | joltcan | wingnut2626: Yeah |
| 14:16.51 | joltcan | wingnut2626: ...or on any other interface except lo |
| 14:17.01 | Devastator-work | my kernel was 2.6.26-24, upgrade will install 2.6.26-29, let's hope the patch is there |
| 14:17.29 | wingnut2626 | right lo is the local host, how come when i try to connect to the inet wlan0 address i get a 'connection timed out' message repeadetly |
| 14:18.38 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: can you ping it? can you telnet a.b.c.d 22? |
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| 14:19.18 | wingnut2626 | ping is successful |
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| 14:19.31 | wingnut2626 | what is a.b.c.d? |
| 14:19.39 | jelly-home | a placeholder for the real ip |
| 14:19.53 | joltcan | wingnut2626: do a netstat -anp|grep 22 as root and see if ssh is really running. Or what jelly-home said |
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| 14:20.34 | wingnut2626 | oh yeah the ssh service is established on port 22 |
| 14:21.00 | joltcan | wingnut2626: Are you using some kind of firewall then? |
| 14:21.02 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: which IP does your sshd listen on? |
| 14:22.00 | wingnut2626 | 192.168.1.3 |
| 14:22.18 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: and is that the wlan0 interface address? |
| 14:22.22 | wingnut2626 | im not using a firewall. iptables on both devices are clean |
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| 14:22.29 | wingnut2626 | 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:22.36 | jelly-home | well then |
| 14:22.47 | trysten | g/quit |
| 14:23.20 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: make your sshd listen on 192.168.0.1 as well? |
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| 14:23.58 | wingnut2626 | whats the dialogue for that? |
| 14:24.02 | jelly-home | (still, you should get a connection refused, not a timeout, if that's the only problem) |
| 14:24.10 | jelly-home | dialogue? |
| 14:24.10 | wingnut2626 | reight, thats whats confusing |
| 14:24.22 | wingnut2626 | ive been working on this issue for a few days and come up with nothing |
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| 14:24.36 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:24.39 | wingnut2626 | do those verizon fios wireless routers have firewalls in them? |
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| 14:24.58 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: the configuration for ssh service is in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:25.02 | wingnut2626 | im using ubuntu 11.04 for the server and debian squeeze for the remote device |
| 14:25.25 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: can you "telnet 192.168.0.1 22" from debian client or not? |
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| 14:26.25 | jelly-home | install telnet if the command is missing |
| 14:26.30 | wingnut2626 | no |
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| 14:26.37 | jelly-home | how does it fail? |
| 14:26.52 | wingnut2626 | it doesnt directly fail.....just nothing happens |
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| 14:28.21 | wingnut2626 | im wondering if it has to do with this verizon router..... |
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| 14:28.54 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: so it stays at "Trying 192.168.0.1..."? |
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| 14:29.11 | wingnut2626 | yup |
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| 14:29.15 | jelly-home | they say so. |
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| 14:29.18 | jelly-home | then* |
| 14:29.46 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: can you "telnet 192.168.0.1 22" on the server itself? |
| 14:30.18 | jelly-home | if that does not work, then something on your server is misconfigured |
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| 14:30.57 | jelly-home | if it does work, it could be a firewall/networking issue |
| 14:31.38 | wingnut2626 | i can ssh directly into the port from the server |
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| 14:31.52 | wingnut2626 | so i think its this dagone verizon router |
| 14:32.08 | jelly-home | yep, that's possible |
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| 14:32.16 | wingnut2626 | any support for that LOL |
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| 14:33.25 | jelly-home | not much more than a rtfm |
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| 14:34.25 | jelly-home | it's weird that it would block traffic between two nodes on the same wlan segment though |
| 14:34.54 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: can you pastebin the output of "sudo iptables-save" on the server? |
| 14:35.13 | Devastator-work | yep |
| 14:35.31 | wingnut2626 | how do i pastebin? never did that before |
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| 14:36.22 | derpella | easiest is manually, via pastebin.com |
| 14:36.27 | derpella | or org? |
| 14:36.30 | derpella | forgot |
| 14:37.00 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 14:37.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:37.16 | wingnut2626 | http://pastebin.com/hg8Eke5Z |
| 14:37.45 | wingnut2626 | i appreciate the help by the way |
| 14:38.36 | jelly-home | is that what you call clean iptables? |
| 14:39.11 | wingnut2626 | i guess, is there anything in there that would refuse a connection? |
| 14:39.25 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: stop your firewall on the server, retry, if it works fix the configuration. |
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| 14:39.41 | wingnut2626 | how do i stop the firewall |
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| 14:40.28 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: no idea, see if there's a ufw related service or gui or whatnot |
| 14:40.57 | jelly-home | wingnut2626: this is what a clean iptables-save looks like: http://paste.debian.net/176238/ |
| 14:41.47 | wingnut2626 | ok |
| 14:42.08 | jelly-home | perhaps ask in an ubuntu channel how to stop it |
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| 14:43.55 | Twinkletoes | In the same way that setuid and setgid, force inheritance of owner/group, is there any way to force inheritance of rwx attributes? |
| 14:44.00 | wingnut2626 | ok |
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| 14:49.05 | Valdes | hi there |
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| 14:51.16 | Valdes | it is posible tu use a hp wireless mouse (model x7000) under linux? |
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| 15:03.06 | pjc_ | Valdes: yes |
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| 15:08.37 | Valdes | pjc_: could you please let me know how? |
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| 15:09.47 | karlpinc | Valdes: It has a dongle? What happens when you plug it in? |
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| 15:11.00 | pjc_ | Valdes: since most are bluetooth based - http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 15:12.18 | Valdes | karlpinc: ok it is a wireless mouse, it connect using wireless card, not bluetoot |
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| 15:13.01 | karlpinc | Valdes: A pci card? |
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| 15:14.23 | pjc_ | they still sell those? damn! |
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| 15:14.45 | Valdes | karlpinc: it connect itself trouhg the pc wireles card, on the hp site, they said that are only suported with win7 |
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| 15:15.48 | karlpinc | Valdes: Just because HP says so does not mean it's true. However, we need more information, like the pciid of the card, to to investigate further. |
| 15:15.49 | karlpinc | !pciid |
| 15:15.50 | dpkg | The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k". |
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| 15:16.29 | karlpinc | Valdes: It might or might not work. Can't say. |
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| 15:18.21 | xreal | Is it bad, if LD_LIBRARY_PATH starts with a : ? |
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| 15:21.04 | xreal | Is it bad, if LD_LIBRARY_PATH starts with a : ? |
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| 15:21.41 | karlpinc | xreal: You only need to ask once every "long time". |
| 15:22.06 | xreal | karlpinc: ok :p |
| 15:22.42 | Woet | but 3 minutes is long with the Diamond SLA xreal is paying for, karlpinc |
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| 15:23.50 | xreal | Since it works with a starting colon, I don't care :p |
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| 15:25.08 | kroaken | hello ppl |
| 15:25.15 | kroaken | hello ppl |
| 15:25.30 | Cueball | Hi kroaken |
| 15:25.31 | kroaken | installing xorg atm waiting for it to finish :P |
| 15:25.43 | kroaken | what version of fglrx should i install ? |
| 15:25.57 | kroaken | i was adviced of 9.8 |
| 15:26.02 | kroaken | or 10.1 |
| 15:26.34 | Cueball | I'm not sure myself. Think it depends on your card |
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| 15:26.47 | kroaken | its a hd6870 |
| 15:27.03 | karlpinc | kroaken: You also need to consider why you need the proprietary driver. |
| 15:27.18 | kroaken | to play new warsow |
| 15:27.25 | kroaken | fastest fps in the world |
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| 15:27.55 | karlpinc | !tell kroaken about fglrx |
| 15:27.55 | kroaken | can i install fglrx trough apt |
| 15:28.00 | kroaken | ? |
| 15:28.42 | kroaken | !tell kroaken about dkms |
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| 15:29.01 | kroaken | ekk |
| 15:29.19 | karlpinc | !tell kroaken about selftell |
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| 15:30.21 | karlpinc | kroaken: You probably want to read the wiki page. |
| 15:30.37 | kroaken | thx |
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| 15:35.38 | gochilla | hi, i am trying to setup posfix on deb squeeze. I get an error during postconfig. dpkg --configure -a tells gives me an error i think related to the postfix group (addgroup: ... use the --force-badname option ...). Can anyone point me to where the config script is? can i modify it by hand? |
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| 15:36.44 | karlpinc | gochilla: That shouldn't happen. |
| 15:37.03 | karlpinc | gochilla: Are you using only the regular debian repositories? |
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| 15:38.02 | gochilla | http://pastebin.com/MwK0uSa6http://pastebin.com/MwK0uSa6 |
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| 15:38.37 | gochilla | karlpinc: mhpf ... this is a strato server. I guess they reconfigured some stuff, but i dont think they create their own patches |
| 15:38.57 | gochilla | karlpinc: wait a tic ... checking apt config |
| 15:38.58 | gyaresu | Hello friends. I've got permission to organise a bot for #rhel Who can link me to #debians bot. |
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| 15:39.41 | gochilla | karlpinc: it's a link to a strato ftp |
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| 15:40.12 | gochilla | (squeeze main contrib) |
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| 15:41.38 | karlpinc | gochilla: "it"? |
| 15:41.52 | gochilla | it? |
| 15:42.12 | gochilla | ahh |
| 15:42.22 | gochilla | sources linke to a strato server |
| 15:42.27 | gochilla | *link |
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| 15:43.27 | gochilla | to form a complete sentence: my sources.list points to a strato ftp, meaning i don't pull my packages directly from debian |
| 15:43.48 | gochilla | however, i think they just mirror the debian packages |
| 15:44.07 | gochilla | except some kernel stuff, because it's a vserver, so i dont |
| 15:44.19 | gochilla | get to compile my own kernel (sorry for flooding) |
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| 15:46.08 | karlpinc | gochilla: You might want to ask the vps provider. (Otherwise, I'm looking in the bug tracking system....) |
| 15:47.42 | gochilla | karlpinc: i looked for this specific error, however did not find anything |
| 15:48.08 | gochilla | karlpinc: thank you i will try to mod the packages in /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 15:48.16 | karlpinc | gochilla: The error tells what's wrong. There's something going on in the adduser.conf file. |
| 15:48.37 | karlpinc | gochilla: It's preventing the script from working. If you didn't make the change then it's something in your vps. |
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| 15:50.46 | gochilla | karlpinc: ok, thank you. I did not change anything -.- |
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| 15:56.10 | ratatata | nu |
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| 15:59.04 | gochilla | karlpinc: fyi, i didn't find the exact error location, however, the configuration file seems to have problems with hyphens in the domain name. If i just provide localhost as FQDN it works -.- |
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| 16:03.27 | karlpinc | gochilla: The default adduser.conf has no NAME_REGEX set. I'm not sure what using localhost has to do with your problem. |
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| 16:03.43 | fas3r | Hello |
| 16:04.37 | gochilla | karlpinc: me neither ... but this time it did not complain. |
| 16:04.42 | fas3r | When i use apache as a reverse proxy, can i use different port inside one configuration file ? like this : http://pastebin.com/q46kiPaS or I have to create a different file if the port is different ? |
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| 16:11.42 | gochilla | karlpinc: oookaay. So final update. The postfix.postinstall script uses addgroup --system postfix to add the postfix group. However, somehow my addgroup command doesn't know the --system param. This seems to be the officer, problem. So i need to fix this. |
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| 16:14.37 | klync | feels good to finally be dist-upgrading from lenny :D |
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| 16:16.43 | gochilla | karlpinc: ok, thank you for your help. I figured it out now :D. The adduser.conf had an invalid regex for the name checks, the put an \$ instead of $ in the regex, so all groups/users without $ at the end were rejected. Works like a charm now. Again thx for your help. |
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| 16:25.25 | andre_pl | I'm trying to create a new raid array out of 3x brand new 500GB Disks. I've created it with mdadm but its showing one device as 'spare' and lists 4 devices total (1 removed) instead of just 3 active. /proc/mdstat doesn't show any sort of rebuilding going on. |
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| 16:26.02 | andre_pl | i've tried zeroing the drives and starting over, but i keep ending up with this. can anyone offer some advice? |
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| 16:34.11 | H4x012 | is there any good firewall for debian? |
| 16:34.22 | H4x012 | to protect some ddos... or ping flood!!! |
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| 16:35.48 | dvs | H4x012: There was ipmasq but it has since been discontinued |
| 16:36.04 | dutchfish | H4x012, ver iptables and you can easily filter SYN/ACK attacks and port flooding. just read the docs. |
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| 16:36.18 | superstraw | pretty sure i'm missing something, but i'm trying to do: "ssh -c" but can't exactly get down what it wants me to put for aes256... |
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| 16:38.24 | haylo_ | superstraw, you are just trying to use ssh? |
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| 16:38.54 | superstraw | haylo_: yes. just change my encryption to use aes256 |
| 16:39.05 | superstraw | I'm adding other stuff too, but just the encryption has me stumped |
| 16:39.50 | dutchfish | H4x012, some idess how to coop with that in iptables; http://serverfault.com/questions/245711/iptables-tips-tricks |
| 16:40.02 | dutchfish | H4x012, have fun |
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| 16:41.11 | dutchfish | H4x012, the best of all is EGRES earlier on switch .... |
| 16:41.19 | superstraw | haylo_: stumbled upon it: "ssh -c aes256-cbc" just tried a bunch of possibles and got lucky |
| 16:41.31 | superstraw | can't find that in the documentation though. |
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| 16:42.20 | H4x012 | dutchfish |
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| 16:42.24 | H4x012 | i need software ine |
| 16:42.26 | H4x012 | one* |
| 16:42.40 | peterrooney | that's a pretty glaring bug in the SSH manpage. |
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| 16:43.12 | superstraw | peterrooney: the aes256-cbc thing? |
| 16:43.18 | dvs | H4x012: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 16:43.30 | dutchfish | H4x012, no software can prevent landing packets on your adapter, but apart from that iptables *is* the software on the host you want to protect. A better way is doing it earlier, prefarable on the switch. |
| 16:43.32 | peterrooney | superstraw: the complete absense of a "Ciphers" keyword in hte manpage |
| 16:43.47 | superstraw | ha i noticed that also |
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| 16:44.11 | haylo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.28 | H4x012 | tnx dutchfish |
| 16:44.33 | dutchfish | H4x012, yw |
| 16:44.33 | H4x012 | was usefull |
| 16:44.59 | H4x012 | dutchfish |
| 16:45.07 | H4x012 | how to remove one rule from iptables list?! |
| 16:45.08 | peterrooney | haylo_: exactly. and, only for ssh version 1 at that. |
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| 16:45.58 | dutchfish | H4x012, read the docs | or | if urgent ask for help in the datacentre or someone you can trust to help you. |
| 16:46.11 | dutchfish | H4x012, dvs gae you the link |
| 16:46.19 | H4x012 | tnx |
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| 17:46.41 | chrisirc | Hello. Questions about lsof. Does anyone know how to (a) find out which filehandles are LISTEN sockets when running lsof in -F mode? |
| 17:47.53 | chrisirc | And (b) with ESTABLISHED TCP connections, which I find by scanning for the "->" part in the filename, how can I figure out whether they are incoming out outgoing connections? |
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| 17:53.13 | centrux | buenassssssss |
| 17:53.41 | centrux | logre q udisks no me mounte automaticamente |
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| 17:54.17 | centrux | los dispositivos, pero en nautilus me aparecen y al clickear sobre ellos los monta como lectura/escritura, alguno sabe como puedo hacer para que nautilis los monte solo lectura ?? |
| 17:54.31 | pparadis | !pt |
| 17:54.31 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:54.39 | centrux | perdon |
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| 17:56.02 | calrogman | That's much nicer than the !ru snippet, which reads, paraphrasing here, "This is an english speaking channel, go to #debian-ru". |
| 17:56.58 | pparadis | calrogman: true enough, although most of the russian guys are know are exceedingly direct people, and don't make a habit of using works like "please." |
| 17:57.05 | pparadis | s/are know/i know/ |
| 17:57.27 | tremon | s/works/words/ too? |
| 17:57.33 | pparadis | man |
| 17:57.35 | pparadis | yep :) |
| 17:57.40 | tremon | ;) |
| 17:57.48 | pparadis | coming up on... 23 hours awake now :D |
| 17:57.56 | dondelelcaro | the blurb came from people on #debian-ru; if you think it should be different, get their consensus. Otherwise, it doesn't much matter |
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| 17:58.33 | calrogman | Okay, it wasn't a serious complaint, just something I noticed. |
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| 18:00.49 | chrisirc | Another question: what's the best way to get at a list of all ipv4 and ipv6 addresses on the host (that can be used for listening sockets)? |
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| 18:04.12 | nvz | chrisirc: I'm no networking guru and dont even fully understand your question, but ifconfig -a comes to mind |
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| 18:04.54 | chrisirc | Yes, but the format of ifconfig isn't very nice, and it's use is deprecated. |
| 18:05.26 | chrisirc | "ip" is its successor, but I'm not sure about its availability on other systems (even on Debian it's not installed by default, I think) |
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| 18:06.03 | Diopter | chrisirc: iproute2 is the package providing 'ip', and it is installed on Debian by default |
| 18:06.09 | chrisirc | I haven't found a nice file in /proc yet. Even though that's linux only, at least it might solve it on Linux completely. |
| 18:06.12 | Diopter | chrisirc: It's also been the preferred choice over ifconfig for many years |
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| 18:06.23 | chrisirc | Good. |
| 18:06.32 | Diopter | chrisirc: ip is the correct tool to use going forward. It's the only way to interact with policy routing, for instance |
| 18:06.37 | protocol | iproute2 |
| 18:06.40 | protocol | Hrm |
| 18:06.40 | Diopter | (ip rule) |
| 18:06.40 | chrisirc | Now if "ip" had some machine-readable output mode.. |
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| 18:07.11 | Diopter | chrisirc: Its format doesn't change much or often, it's fairly easy to parse, but you can also grab the same information out of /sys/class/net and /proc/sys/net |
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| 18:07.56 | chrisirc | Ok I'll parse "ip --oneline addr" output. |
| 18:08.17 | nvz | ah yeah, forgot about ip.. heh |
| 18:08.34 | Diopter | Never forget about ip! ;P |
| 18:08.37 | chrisirc | Thanks. |
| 18:08.55 | Diopter | It's vastly superior to ifconfig + route. Particularly in the case of multihoming |
| 18:09.18 | Diopter | Plus provides a ton of things they cannot, due to deeper integration with the kernel over netlink sockets |
| 18:09.30 | nvz | right now I'm queueing many annoyances to deal with the matter of google's chrome package they distribute upstream... gotta complain about some issue regarding its menu entry |
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| 18:10.13 | protocol | Diopter: you, sir, just dropped some knowledge. I had no idea that the "ip" command was that useful |
| 18:10.15 | Slash___ | Hi when doing startx (trying to get KDE) it says: "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server" |
| 18:10.20 | protocol | I always stuck to ipconfig |
| 18:10.33 | nvz | I'm not even sure what happens all I know is, when it processes triggers for menu it adds a menu entry, then when it processes triggers for gnome-menu it removes it.. if you install the package without a dependancy such as libcurl3 (will happen on a standard gnome install) it'll work right when you do apt-get -f install cause it'll process menu again but not gnome-menu |
| 18:10.56 | nvz | I'd like to have more info to send to google,but I dont know enough about either the menu system or debian packaging to tell them anything more |
| 18:11.34 | Diopter | protocol: You're welcome! I try to inform folks about it when I can, because I do Linux networking for a living, and "ip" isn't as well-known as ifconfig/route, but it should be! |
| 18:11.50 | Diopter | protocol: Particularly since you can abbreviate any portion of the arguments, so long as they're unique |
| 18:11.58 | Slash___ | Hi when doing startx (trying to get KDE) it says: "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server" - need help, please. |
| 18:12.12 | Diopter | e.g., ip li s dev eth0 u = ip link set dev eth0 up |
| 18:12.25 | Diopter | Makes it a lot faster when doing a lot of network config |
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| 18:13.57 | protocol | Diopter: I just always used ifconfig because I was a lazy bastard. I mean, I know I can just do an ip -s addr to get ip info |
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| 18:14.06 | protocol | Which is something I may just start doing moving forward. |
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| 18:14.50 | protocol | Diopter: It is really good info, though. I wasn't aware if its level of integration with the kernel |
| 18:14.58 | Diopter | protocol: For simple things ifconfig is easy and often good enough. But as soon as you start having virtual interfaces, multiple IPs, bridges, tunnels, etc... ifconfig gets unwieldy real fast |
| 18:15.16 | Devastator-work | can one of the ops remove the ban for gateway/web on #debian-offtopic? |
| 18:15.19 | Diopter | protocol: Same goes for when you need multiple routing tables based on some criteria, or load-balancing across multiple interfaces, etc |
| 18:15.24 | Devastator-work | please :) |
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| 18:16.38 | protocol | Diopter: I'm looking into diving deeper into Linux. I'm just an enthusiast right now ( know basic stuff); but I'm definitely interested in doing administration/networking. |
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| 18:16.49 | protocol | Even though I may be a tad old for that lol |
| 18:17.26 | Slash___ | Hi when doing startx (trying to get KDE) it says: "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory SELinux: Disabled on system, not enabling in X server" - need help, please. |
| 18:17.29 | Diopter | protocol: Cool. It's pretty neat stuff. Even if you don't do it for a living. Can help you build a better home network since most SOHO router/gateways run Linux, or could be made to with some custom firmware, etc |
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| 18:20.35 | protocol | Slash___: Did you make any changes to your syste? |
| 18:20.39 | protocol | system* |
| 18:20.46 | Slash___ | No |
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| 18:22.38 | Slash___ | ahh whatever |
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| 18:22.48 | tehrabbitt | Quick question, if I have a .tar.gz disk image how can I restore using dd + pv + gunzip? |
| 18:23.15 | Slash___ | I am looking for GUI for my Debian to have all my screens in separate windows like in Windows OS. |
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| 18:23.41 | protocol | Slash___: Slash___ You mean multiple desktops on multiple monitors? |
| 18:24.06 | protocol | I'm researching this ticket |
| 18:24.09 | Slash___ | I mean I have Debian Sqeeze and screen -r is boring, I want to have desktop and windows like in Windows OS |
| 18:24.29 | Diopter | Slash___: You're looking for a Desktop Environment, or DE |
| 18:24.37 | Diopter | Slash___: There are a dozen or two you could choose from. |
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| 18:24.54 | Slash___ | Cool Diopter, whats the good small not resource demanding one? |
| 18:24.57 | Diopter | Slash___: Have you checked the handbook/installation guide? |
| 18:25.04 | protocol | Diopter: By default, if you're looking for a nice one, I use dwm |
| 18:25.11 | Diopter | Slash___: Asking what's "good" is very opinionated |
| 18:25.14 | Slash___ | Of what? My provider installed Debian for me |
| 18:25.22 | protocol | But if you're looking for something more "friendly" I suggest Gnome/KDE (I used to prefer Gnome) |
| 18:25.27 | Slash___ | I just need windows with desktop or taskbar |
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| 18:25.48 | rootant | Slash___: you can try xfce |
| 18:25.52 | Diopter | Slash___: Then that's not as lightweight as you can be. So you have some specific requirements in mind |
| 18:25.58 | calrogman | Format's not nice /wi5 |
| 18:25.59 | tehrabbitt | another question is, is there a way to have dd ignore free-space when imaging a drive? Heh |
| 18:26.01 | calrogman | oh dammit |
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| 18:26.20 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: How would it know what's "free space"? |
| 18:26.26 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: good point |
| 18:26.26 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: It's a block copy, below the filesystem. |
| 18:26.37 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: just very painful trying to image 30GB over 10/100 |
| 18:26.37 | Slash___ | Diopter: well its for gameserver, so I want to have those CPUs and RAMs for it :)) |
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| 18:26.41 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: If you want to copy only files, then copy only files :P Use rsync. |
| 18:26.54 | Diopter | Slash___: If it's going to be a server, why install a GUI? |
| 18:26.56 | tehrabbitt | (or over USB) |
| 18:27.12 | protocol | ^^ |
| 18:27.17 | Slash___ | Coz I hate screen -r |
| 18:27.28 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: rsync -phaxPHAX /path/to/source1/ /path/to/source2/ /path/to/dest/ |
| 18:27.32 | Slash___ | and screen -S its so oldfashion |
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| 18:28.00 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: so basically be patient and wait for it to finish the whole 30GB drive / I end up with a 2GB /.tar.gz file, will it take just as long to restore? (aka it'll write all the free space? or just the actual files in the image) |
| 18:28.01 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: Will preserve all permissions, ownership, metadata, ACLs, xattrs, hardlinks, etc... and supports partial transfers, shows a progress meter... |
| 18:28.23 | tehrabbitt | i'm using dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096k conv=noerror,sync | pv | gzip -c -9 > /mnt/ntserver/backup/NeatBox1.0.5.tar.gz |
| 18:28.25 | tehrabbitt | dd if=/dev/sda bs=4096k conv=noerror,sync | pv | gzip -c -9 > /mnt/ntserver/backup/NeatBox1.0.5.tar.gz |
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| 18:28.30 | protocol | Slash___: Again, if you're looking for something really lightweight, I would move toward the route of WM's like Ion, dwm, wmii, etc. But, as Diopter said, if you're looking to run a server, I'd just stick with the terminal |
| 18:28.57 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: Does it have to be compressed into a single file? |
| 18:29.00 | Slash___ | protocol and Dioptre: you was very helpful so far. Ive found phrase "Window manager" now Google can help :) |
| 18:29.07 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: No, but it's easier to manage lol |
| 18:29.14 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: does it take more time doing it this way? |
| 18:29.22 | Diopter | Slash___: You seem to be confused about what "server" usually means, or how you interact with one :) |
| 18:29.43 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: Given the fact it's not aware of files, yes. :P |
| 18:30.16 | Slash___ | Diopter: when I was 7 I had Win 3.1.1, and to start it I had to type msdosshell and dan startwin to see my desktop, it feels the same @ 2012 on my gameserver :) |
| 18:30.27 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: so the image part takes the duration of the entire 30GB, whereas restore should only be 2GB worth transfered back |
| 18:30.31 | Slash___ | I will be using it much, so want to speed up process of screening |
| 18:30.36 | tehrabbitt | since it's only 2GB of actual data in the .tar.gz when it's finished? |
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| 18:30.51 | tremon | tehrabbitt: restore is 30GB too |
| 18:30.59 | tehrabbitt | ouch :( |
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| 18:31.09 | karlpinc | Slash___: Using the mouse slows you down. You have to reach for it and back to the keyboard. Takes forever. |
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| 18:31.16 | tehrabbitt | so it's looking like 1.5 hours per backup / restore then |
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| 18:31.26 | Slash___ | I will consider that |
| 18:31.27 | tehrabbitt | since it's copied 10GB in 30 min |
| 18:31.42 | tremon | tehrabbitt: do you really need a block-level backup? |
| 18:31.45 | SillyTalker | how do i reset my display settings? :s |
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| 18:31.52 | SillyTalker | well $DISPLAY |
| 18:31.55 | Diopter | tremon: Exactly my feeling :P |
| 18:31.58 | tehrabbitt | tremon: I am trying to make an "image" of a drive so I can clone it onto 30 more drives |
| 18:32.02 | tehrabbitt | and have it good to go |
| 18:32.09 | SillyTalker | i messed up the settings somehow |
| 18:32.16 | karlpinc | Slash___: And the tab key is your friend. (As is emacs/vi so you can manipulate your command lines.) |
| 18:32.32 | Slash___ | thnx |
| 18:32.43 | tremon | tehrabbitt: why does an mkfs run followed by tar -x not suffice? |
| 18:32.52 | Slash___ | I know its noobish but imagine that I had tend to press ctrl+C on my gameconsole |
| 18:32.57 | Slash___ | My users wasnt happy |
| 18:33.00 | tehrabbitt | tremon: what do you mean? |
| 18:33.12 | tehrabbitt | tremon: how would that work? never used mkfs run |
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| 18:34.32 | tremon | tehrabbitt: run is not a command, I meant "an mkfs run" as in "run mkfs" |
| 18:34.42 | Slash___ | Thank you all, bye |
| 18:34.54 | tremon | tehrabbitt: how are you going to get it onto those 30 drives? multicast? |
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| 18:35.07 | tehrabbitt | tremon: USB enclosures :-| |
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| 18:35.14 | tehrabbitt | tremon: they're 30GB IDE drives, all identical |
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| 18:35.28 | tehrabbitt | I have no other idea on how I can image one drive onto 30 any easier |
| 18:35.33 | tehrabbitt | so I can just pop in the drives and boot up |
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| 18:36.07 | SillyTalker | i can export DISPLAY=whatever |
| 18:36.11 | SillyTalker | nothing seems to work |
| 18:36.12 | SillyTalker | any tips? |
| 18:36.19 | SillyTalker | how can i just rest this liek it was before...? |
| 18:36.23 | SillyTalker | its driving me nuts |
| 18:36.33 | SillyTalker | i'm stuck with such a stupid littel problem... |
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| 18:36.46 | Diopter | SillyTalker: Um... Are you asking how to get rid of the DISPLAY environment variable? |
| 18:36.54 | Diopter | SillyTalker: Or how to set it to a valid X display? |
| 18:37.00 | SillyTalker | set it valid |
| 18:37.06 | SillyTalker | or reset it to whatever it was |
| 18:37.08 | tremon | tehrabbitt: ok, so they're boot drives. That complicates things. dd works because it's creating identical copies. If you use any other method you're going to do additional fixups |
| 18:37.17 | SillyTalker | i just want it back to what it was right after installing |
| 18:37.22 | SillyTalker | im tired of trying all sorts of crap |
| 18:37.32 | Diopter | SillyTalker: Well you can "unset DISPLAY", for one thing. But it gets set by your profile/shell login scripts for your user |
| 18:37.38 | tremon | tehrabbitt: ...which can all be scripted, but using dd is far easier. If your time is cheap, use dd |
| 18:37.51 | SillyTalker | Dopter sorry i dunno hwat that means |
| 18:37.54 | Diopter | SillyTalker: unset will only apply to that particular shell, until you logout/login to another shell instance |
| 18:38.07 | SillyTalker | well thats no good |
| 18:38.12 | SillyTalker | i need it tresetted systemwide |
| 18:38.12 | Diopter | SillyTalker: ... ok. When you say you messed up your DISPLAY variable, what *exactly* do you mean? |
| 18:38.17 | SillyTalker | why is this so hard to find..... |
| 18:38.23 | Diopter | SillyTalker: where? How? What makes you think so? What have you done? |
| 18:38.35 | SillyTalker | Diopter i don't even recall |
| 18:38.48 | SillyTalker | all i know is it worked before |
| 18:38.51 | Diopter | Awesome. Have you rebooted, and it still is an issue? |
| 18:39.03 | SillyTalker | is there no way to reset EVERYTHING related to it? |
| 18:39.15 | SillyTalker | if there is not i will just use another VM and start over... |
| 18:39.24 | SillyTalker | i could have started over 2 times already during the time i wasted |
| 18:39.28 | SvenG | "reset --related=all" ? ;) |
| 18:40.01 | Diopter | SillyTalker: You don't seem to have any idea what DISPLAY is specifically or what shell environment variables are in general |
| 18:40.10 | protocol | SillyTalker: While this may not help your current situation, the best thing to do is to take snapshots of a working VM. This way, when issues such as this arise, you can revert. |
| 18:40.22 | Diopter | SillyTalker: So your questions are fairly nonsensical. You really need to describe what you've done, how you're testing, why you think DISPLAY is wrong, etc |
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| 18:40.56 | CRUNK | hey guys, are there any changes i have to make to the xorg.conf file to enable support of an external monitor on my laptop? i am using nvidia drivers |
| 18:41.04 | CRUNK | i am finding conflicting info on the internet |
| 18:41.38 | kevlarman | CRUNK: if you use the 302 driver series then no |
| 18:41.38 | tehrabbitt | tremon: well time isn't too cheap :-| I have until Wed. to image 30 of them 2 at a time :-| |
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| 18:41.47 | kevlarman | CRUNK: you can set it up with xrandr |
| 18:41.56 | SillyTalker | Dopter, you're right, i do not, else i was not here asking about it |
| 18:42.01 | kevlarman | if you use older drivers then you can set it up with nvidia-settings |
| 18:42.09 | SillyTalker | how do i reset all x11 stuff? |
| 18:42.18 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: would I be better off going to Microcenter / radioshack, picking up lets say 10 of those USB enclosures and restore 10 at a time off of one img? |
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| 18:42.33 | tehrabbitt | that way I can blast out 10 in the time it takes to do 2? |
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| 18:42.39 | SillyTalker | Dopter, so there is no way to reset all x11 stuff? |
| 18:42.43 | tehrabbitt | (it'd just cost my wallet close to $100) heh |
| 18:42.46 | SillyTalker | i could sear i did this before.. |
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| 18:42.51 | SillyTalker | swear |
| 18:42.53 | protocol | SillyTalker: Best bet? Rename your current xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.old and, as root, run Xorg -configure |
| 18:42.56 | tehrabbitt | also, is theredd if=/dev/sda bs=4096k conv=noerror,sync | pv | gzip -c -9 > /mnt/ntserver/backup/NeatBox1.0.5.tar.gz |
| 18:43.02 | tehrabbitt | grrr stupid insert key |
| 18:43.03 | tehrabbitt | sorry |
| 18:43.09 | protocol | This will get you down to bare defaults |
| 18:43.21 | SillyTalker | i'll try thanks |
| 18:43.22 | tehrabbitt | diopter: also is there a way to restore to more than one source at a time? |
| 18:43.31 | SillyTalker | thanks protocol, will try |
| 18:43.41 | protocol | SillyTalker: No worries. |
| 18:43.42 | cardamon | Trying to change the application associated with a mimetype. Get an error. |
| 18:43.45 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/176196/ |
| 18:44.00 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: "restore" what? Your tar.gz files? |
| 18:44.15 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: yes. |
| 18:44.22 | tremon | tehrabbitt: the fastest way to do it (assuming everything is in one partition) is to use a filesystem-level tool like rsync, tar or cpio |
| 18:44.25 | SillyTalker | protocol: i don't even have a xorg.conf :s |
| 18:44.34 | Diopter | tehrabbitt: Well you can certainly run multiple processes, one for each drive, connecting them all at once |
| 18:44.46 | protocol | SillyTalker: Create one using the above command. |
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| 18:45.14 | SillyTalker | protocol command not found |
| 18:45.16 | tehrabbitt | Diopter: but then i'd have to have an enclosure for each :-| hm... so basically i'm stuck either paying in #1: Time, or #2: Money |
| 18:45.16 | protocol | SillyTalker: If you manually create one, you will need to restart your session. |
| 18:45.18 | tremon | wouldn't recommend streaming data to more than a few connected usb disks at the same time |
| 18:45.27 | protocol | SillyTalker: Then you don't have xorg installed. Is this a new install? |
| 18:45.32 | tehrabbitt | tremon: really? :-| what would you say "max" disks should be |
| 18:45.43 | SillyTalker | protocol nope, all i know is x1 forwarding over ssh used to work, its somehow messed up |
| 18:45.57 | SillyTalker | protocol: since x11 forwarding worked i presumed it used xorg |
| 18:46.02 | tehrabbitt | tremon: the drives have 4 partitions on each and i'm trying to have them bootable once they're imaged over |
| 18:46.26 | protocol | SillyTalker: not necessarily. You can run a session without having xorg installed. |
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| 18:46.31 | tremon | tehrabbitt: ideally you would attach 1 drive usb root hub |
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| 18:46.46 | tremon | that's 1 drive /per/ root hub |
| 18:46.48 | SillyTalker | protocol: aha, so any idea how to proceed? |
| 18:46.56 | protocol | SillyTalker: In order for me to help, I need to know what changes, if any, were made to the system. |
| 18:47.09 | SillyTalker | protocol: its liek half a year ago, i don't recall |
| 18:47.09 | tehrabbitt | tremon: unless I buy one of those TT hubs for each drive? |
| 18:47.12 | protocol | What did you do before the system stopped working. |
| 18:47.20 | SillyTalker | protocol: its liek half a year ago, i don't recall |
| 18:47.30 | tehrabbitt | or a PCI card for drive :-| |
| 18:47.30 | protocol | Half a year ago? Is this the first time you boot the system in half a year? |
| 18:47.37 | SillyTalker | its a VM.... |
| 18:47.39 | SillyTalker | yes |
| 18:47.40 | proby | hello , i want to disable networking completly on boottime and then be able only to start it manually , please how to do it on debian??? |
| 18:47.52 | SillyTalker | never mind |
| 18:47.56 | tehrabbitt | tremon: i'm guessing if I put 2 drives per root hub, i'll see 1/2 the performance? |
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| 18:48.01 | proby | hello , i want to disable networking completly on boottime and then be able only to start it manually , please how to do it on debian??? |
| 18:48.04 | tremon | tehrabbitt: I wouldn't recommend putting 15 pci cards in the machine either ;) |
| 18:48.04 | SillyTalker | i'll just make a new VM |
| 18:48.11 | SillyTalker | apperantly thats the only way.... |
| 18:48.23 | streuner | proby: disalbe NM |
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| 18:48.55 | protocol | SillyTalker: there may be another. the thing is that we're not sure whether or not the system was working prior, what system changes were made, etc. You said X11 forwarding isn't working and you can't startx |
| 18:49.04 | proby | streuner how ? and how to start it manualy ? |
| 18:49.11 | protocol | When you attempt to do "startx" on the system, what error are you getting? |
| 18:49.33 | SillyTalker | protocol, command not found |
| 18:49.58 | tremon | tehrabbitt: I think it's likely that writing to two drives on the same root hub at the same time will be slower than writing to one, then the other |
| 18:50.08 | proby | the problem in irc that persons give you stupid answers |
| 18:50.23 | tehrabbitt | tremon: Ah :-| |
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| 18:50.39 | SillyTalker | protocol: i recall fixing it before by edelting a file |
| 18:50.42 | tremon | tehrabbitt: unless the drives are quite slow, you said ide drives, so you might want to test |
| 18:50.42 | streuner | proby: hm |
| 18:50.43 | tehrabbitt | tremon: so writing two at once woudl prob be slower than the total time it'd take to write 1 at a time |
| 18:50.43 | SillyTalker | but i do not know what file it was anymore |
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| 18:50.53 | nvz | tehrabbitt: tremon, yes USB is shared bandwidth regardless of I/O schedulers, this will make it slower trying to access two of them |
| 18:50.59 | SillyTalker | i remember i had to search for it for like half a day then too :( |
| 18:51.03 | SillyTalker | and it was dirt simple |
| 18:51.21 | tehrabbitt | tremon: I did test briefly doing dd direct /dev/sda to /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc and it was going 11MB/sec so prob 5.5Mbit/sec to each |
| 18:51.24 | proby | i know netwotking service is in /etc/init.d so disabling it is == to working with to startup scripts , damn i better search in google than asking in a channel that its admins or profesionals are in deeeep sleeep |
| 18:51.31 | streuner | proby: whats hard do disable networking at bootime? |
| 18:51.57 | SillyTalker | protocol, and the system was definitely working before |
| 18:52.10 | streuner | he is gone, hm |
| 18:52.15 | tremon | tehrabbitt: can you pastebin your drive layout and what needs to be copied? e.g. fdisk -l and cat /proc/mounts would help |
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| 18:52.42 | nvz | streuner: yeah, was clearly too emotional and hard headed to get an issue resolved.. you're about as professional as it gets around here.. certainly got the experience..heh |
| 18:53.01 | craigevil | cardamon, have you tried editing /usr/share/calibre/mime.types |
| 18:53.02 | tehrabbitt | tremon: it's only /dev/sda1 (boot), /dev/sda2 (swap) , and /dev/sda3 (/) |
| 18:53.14 | protocol | SillyTalker: did you do anything like "export DISPLAY=blah:0" before? You remember? |
| 18:53.25 | tehrabbitt | /dev/sda1 is about 200MB, /dev/sda2 == 512MB, and /dev/sda3 == rest of drive |
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| 18:53.52 | SillyTalker | protocol, no however, i recall echo $DISPLAY looked like this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/494 |
| 18:53.53 | tehrabbitt | what if I image just /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 using dd, restore them per drive, and then rsync the FS from /dev/sda3 to /dev/sdb3 |
| 18:53.57 | tehrabbitt | etc |
| 18:53.58 | streuner | nvz: thats happened all the time here |
| 18:54.03 | tremon | tehrabbitt: are all drives of the exact same size? same model? |
| 18:54.12 | tehrabbitt | same size, model, brand, etc |
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| 18:54.17 | SillyTalker | protocol, could that be? |
| 18:54.33 | tehrabbitt | Hitachi Travelstar HTE725040M9AT00 |
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| 18:55.41 | cardamon | craigevil: I have not tried it. |
| 18:55.43 | protocol | SillyTalker: Indeed. |
| 18:55.44 | nvz | streuner: yeah, I wish people like that would just stick around awhile.. they might learn something.. if nothing else they wouldnt imply that people who been here for over 10 years don't know what they're doing. |
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| 18:56.01 | SillyTalker | protocol, so any way to generate a new string liek this? |
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| 18:56.05 | tremon | tehrabbitt: I'll paste some thoughts, let me write up what I'd do |
| 18:56.13 | protocol | SillyTalker: After you have done that, ssh into the server using the -Y flag |
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| 18:56.29 | protocol | SillyTalker: just do that it says there. |
| 18:56.32 | protocol | One sec |
| 18:56.39 | SillyTalker | protocol, any idea if thats possible using putty? |
| 18:56.39 | cardamon | craigevil: There's nothing really there. "application/pdf pdf" |
| 18:56.42 | SillyTalker | -Y |
| 18:57.00 | SillyTalker | protocol, well i did not do what that says |
| 18:57.02 | cardamon | mimetype definitions and associated applications are two different things as far as I can tell. |
| 18:57.03 | SillyTalker | lol |
| 18:57.08 | SillyTalker | i just recall it looked like that |
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| 18:57.20 | SillyTalker | but not anymore... |
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| 18:58.02 | tehrabbitt | tremon: alrighty thx |
| 18:58.18 | dazed3243 | anybody help me???? what is the comman for ' aticonfig --initial' |
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| 18:59.43 | craigevil | cardamon, xdg-mime query default application/pdf shows okularApplication_pdf.desktop |
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| 19:00.12 | CRUNK | kevlarman: i think i probably have the latest nvidia drivers. so xrandr? |
| 19:00.26 | cardamon | craigevil: No, it didn't show anything. |
| 19:00.33 | kevlarman | CRUNK: don't think |
| 19:00.35 | kevlarman | check |
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| 19:01.18 | craigevil | cardamon, tried doing xdg-mime default application/pdf okularApplication_pdf.desktop ? |
| 19:01.43 | cardamon | craigevil: I did but it failed because of the error. |
| 19:01.53 | craigevil | cardamon, note that it does here but i am on kde |
| 19:02.02 | cardamon | craigevil: Nice for you. I'm not. |
| 19:02.11 | cardamon | I have no DE running. |
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| 19:03.07 | cardamon | But, making the missing directory seems to help. |
| 19:03.28 | craigevil | xdg-mime default okularApplication_pdf.desktop application/pdf |
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| 19:03.42 | dazed3243 | any takers |
| 19:03.54 | craigevil | cardamon, a decent guide > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open#xdg-mime |
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| 19:04.33 | craigevil | or edit ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list directly |
| 19:04.59 | cardamon | dazed3243: Try asking your question in a way that's not crazy. |
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| 19:05.32 | dazed3243 | cardamon: thanks |
| 19:05.34 | Cultist | hi all |
| 19:06.25 | tremon | tehrabbitt: http://paste.debian.net/176292/ -- don't use as is, understand before using, no warranty, etc |
| 19:06.52 | tremon | tehrabbitt: this also assumes your /etc/fstab contains the literal /dev/sdaX device nodes, not UUID's |
| 19:07.09 | Cultist | If a laptop has an integrated graphics controller, how do I know what graphic driver I need to install in debian? I'm normally not a Debian user and this is my first laptop with integrated graphics |
| 19:07.22 | tehrabbitt | Ah |
| 19:07.34 | dazed3243 | i am trying to execute a command 'aticonfig --initial' the error i get is bash: aticonfig: command not found know what correct command is to run or execute aticonfig --initial |
| 19:07.45 | tremon | tehrabbitt: and it's untested, I'm pretty sure there are typo's in there too |
| 19:07.46 | Diopter | Cultist: Probably the "intel" xorg driver. |
| 19:07.52 | Cultist | the pre-installed windows supported a higher desktop resolution than I can seem to get in debian, so I assume I'm missing something |
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| 19:08.11 | tehrabbitt | thx tremon :-D |
| 19:08.17 | Diopter | Cultist: Integrated vs Discrete almost always is referring to an Intel HD#### GPU integrated into the CPU. |
| 19:08.25 | Diopter | Cultist: Which will very likely be under the i915 driver |
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| 19:08.58 | Cultist | xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
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| 19:09.03 | Diopter | Cultist: Yep |
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| 19:09.12 | engla | Cultist: if you install video-all you don't have to guess |
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| 19:09.27 | dazed3243 | cardamon: was that crazy? i am confused proper way to jump in |
| 19:09.54 | Cultist | "unable to locate package" |
| 19:10.20 | tremon | tehrabbitt: I already can tell you that the cpio command won't work as-is. You need (cd / ; find . boot/ -xdev | cpio -p /mnt ) |
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| 19:13.56 | tehrabbitt | tremon: i'mma work with it and see if I can get it to do what I need :D thanks again... hopefully this speeds things up 0_o lol |
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| 19:15.02 | tremon | tehrabbitt: good luck. It isn't too complicated, and you can always come back with more questions |
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| 19:15.27 | karlpinc | Cultist: Does "aptitude search xserver-xorg" get you a long list of packags? |
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| 19:16.07 | Cultist | yeah |
| 19:16.58 | karlpinc | Cultist: Is the xserver-xorg-video-intel in the list? (aptitude search xerver-xorg-video | grep intel) |
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| 19:17.49 | SillyTalker | protocol: any idea how i can make a new .Xauthority file ? |
| 19:17.58 | SillyTalker | i think i recall doing thatin the past when it was messed up |
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| 19:18.14 | Cultist | nope |
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| 19:18.39 | Cultist | wait, yes |
| 19:18.42 | Cultist | I mistyped |
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| 19:19.28 | karlpinc | Cultist: Ok. So it should install.... |
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| 19:22.10 | SillyTalker | pffff |
| 19:22.32 | SillyTalker | might aswell leave since nobody knows what to do here either |
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| 19:24.23 | ShapeShifter499 | Hi |
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| 19:24.40 | ShapeShifter499 | I have a img of a ext2 system, how can I dump the files off that img file? |
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| 19:27.02 | engla | ShapeShifter499: you can mount it loopback |
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| 19:27.34 | karlpinc | ShapeShifter499: mount -o loop /dir/to/image /mnt/mountpoint |
| 19:27.49 | karlpinc | ShapeShifter499: You might want -o ro also. |
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| 19:28.43 | ShapeShifter499 | karlpinc: So mount -o ro loop? |
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| 19:29.23 | engla | ShapeShifter499: -o ro,loop |
| 19:29.26 | karlpinc | ShapeShifter499: mount -o ro,loop |
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| 19:31.46 | ShapeShifter499 | karlpinc: Thanks |
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| 19:31.56 | arthurdent | hey I'm using squeeze, is there any way to change the login menu so it doesn't have like... a list of people who were recently logged in, and instead just gives the login screen that comes up when you click other? |
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| 19:32.38 | MO_Handes | will I lose my manually installed drivers (realtek wlan) if I update from squeeze to wheezy? or perhaps any configuration I may need to get a backup of? |
| 19:32.45 | ShapeShifter499 | Also someone on the Ubuntu channel believes a Ubuntu chroot system running on a jailbroken iPhone wouldn't work |
| 19:33.03 | ShapeShifter499 | Can someone tell me why? |
| 19:33.03 | sney | who cares what people in the ubuntu channel think |
| 19:33.03 | sney | this is #debian |
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| 19:33.29 | arthurdent | ShapeShifter499: because of the processor architecture maybe? |
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| 19:34.21 | sney | there are several reasons I can think of why that wouldn't work, and none of them are on-topic for the Debian support channel. |
| 19:34.25 | ShapeShifter499 | arthurdent: Its a arm proccessor |
| 19:34.42 | tremon | arthurdent: there used to be a gnome-login-manager for that. Not sure what the current method should be. assuming you're talking about gdm3, I'd ask in #gnome |
| 19:35.05 | sney | ShapeShifter499: chatter like that can go to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:35.22 | ShapeShifter499 | Ok |
| 19:35.38 | arthurdent | tremon: it seem sto be some kind of intermediate package or something. |
| 19:35.53 | arthurdent | it's in /usr/bin/gdm3 but when i do --version it says 2.3 |
| 19:36.45 | tremon | arthurdent: 2.30 most likely? |
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| 19:36.52 | arthurdent | yeah |
| 19:36.59 | arthurdent | 2.30.5 sorry |
| 19:38.18 | arthurdent | in any case, when i go to gnome-login-manager it has one single option. |
| 19:38.29 | arthurdent | which is whether or not to auto-login as a particular user |
| 19:38.45 | MO_Handes | will I lose my manually installed drivers (realtek wlan) if I update from squeeze to wheezy? or perhaps any configuration I may need to get a backup of? |
| 19:39.02 | tremon | hmm, in my memory there was a "style" option there too |
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| 19:42.12 | tremon | MO_Handes: you always need a backup before dist-upgrading |
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| 19:42.37 | cardamon | This is annoying me. xdg's not doing what I tell it to. http://paste.debian.net/176298/ |
| 19:42.44 | tremon | drivers depend on how you installed them. You will lose them if they are not registered with dkms |
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| 19:43.57 | MO_Handes | tremon, what to back up? home folder or the whole filesystem?! |
| 19:44.27 | tremon | MO_Handes: whole system, ideally |
| 19:44.37 | cardamon | MO_Handes: Configuration should either stay, or if changes are made, you'll be prompted |
| 19:44.57 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.32 | cardamon | But the converse is not necessarily true. |
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| 19:47.09 | tremon | cardamon: try sh -x `which xdg-open` library/r-tlpi1.pdf and pastebin that |
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| 19:52.00 | arthurdent | tremon: http://i26.tinypic.com/112ad8i.jpg this is what the new login configurator looks like |
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| 19:53.08 | tremon | lol... sounds like gnome alright, not for advanced/picky users. Can't help you any further though |
| 19:53.50 | klync | did lenny --> squeeze eliminate /etc/php5/cli/* ? dpkg-query -S can't find an owner for any of these files. are they depricated? |
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| 19:58.38 | JenniferB2 | Hello folks |
| 19:58.47 | JenniferB2 | I need some help choosing an installation of linux |
| 19:59.03 | klync | JenniferB2: i recommend debian! :D |
| 19:59.10 | JenniferB2 | I used to use ubuntu but the buggy bitch has made me leave to find new one |
| 19:59.34 | JenniferB2 | However I need a gnome 2 like environment .. latest debian version uses gnome 3 right? |
| 19:59.42 | arthurdent | tremon: i fixed it by removing the gdm3 package and replacing it with gdm |
| 19:59.51 | ompaul | JenniferB2: when you ask in #debian expect to be told debian |
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| 20:00.01 | JenniferB2 | yes I know paul :) |
| 20:00.01 | arthurdent | JenniferB2: the latest debian (squeeze) uses gnome2 |
| 20:00.05 | JenniferB2 | but what version ? |
| 20:00.07 | Devastator-work | JenniferB2: squeeze uses gnome2 |
| 20:00.08 | JenniferB2 | link please ? |
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| 20:00.19 | arthurdent | squeeze is the "stable" release |
| 20:00.21 | tremon | ,v gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:00.22 | judd | Package: gnome-desktop-environment on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.0+9; wheezy: 1:3.0+9 |
| 20:00.23 | JenniferB2 | with latest fixes, patches and updates |
| 20:00.29 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org |
| 20:00.33 | JenniferB2 | 64 bit |
| 20:00.39 | ompaul | same place |
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| 20:01.00 | JenniferB2 | ompaul .. since you gave me the pain page .. please take me through how the f**ck I can find old versions |
| 20:01.02 | ompaul | you'll find it under downloads |
| 20:01.08 | pc_magas | The Only thing I dislike on Debian Stable is that ti has not the katest versions of the software.... |
| 20:01.10 | arthurdent | why would you want old versions?? |
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| 20:01.21 | tremon | JenniferB2: you don't need an old version, you want *current* debian stable |
| 20:01.24 | ompaul | JenniferB2: squeeze is what you want |
| 20:01.29 | pc_magas | If only I could put into him Kernel 3.4 from a repo |
| 20:01.31 | JenniferB2 | yes.. but that is gnome 2 ? |
| 20:01.34 | pc_magas | Or 3.2 |
| 20:01.36 | arthurdent | the current debian stable release called squeeze is still running gnome2. |
| 20:01.45 | pc_magas | yyyy |
| 20:01.46 | ompaul | JenniferB2: you asked for something, you have been told where to find it |
| 20:01.47 | craigevil | pc_magas, 3.2 is in backports |
| 20:01.50 | pc_magas | Still gnome2 |
| 20:02.11 | JenniferB2 | ooh nice .. i thought I saw somehere it was gnome 3.4 or something |
| 20:02.22 | ompaul | JenniferB2: we tend not to be interested in giving you something you didn't ask for |
| 20:02.26 | JenniferB2 | ompaul: google |
| 20:02.58 | JenniferB2 | is there a listing of versions and what they contain? |
| 20:03.01 | craigevil | JenniferB2, Stable/Squeeze has gnome 2, Wheezy/Testing and sid have gnome 3 |
| 20:03.14 | tremon | JenniferB2: the next release will use gnome 3.4, but that will most likely not happen until 2012 |
| 20:03.17 | ompaul | JenniferB2: have a look on distrowatch.com |
| 20:03.31 | klync | tremon: 2012 is half way through :P |
| 20:03.39 | tremon | oops... 2013 |
| 20:03.44 | JenniferB2 | version 6 uses ? |
| 20:03.47 | JenniferB2 | is squeeze? |
| 20:03.50 | ompaul | yes |
| 20:03.50 | tremon | should stop living in yesteryear |
| 20:04.02 | ompaul | JenniferB2: you have been told - get squeeze it is what you want |
| 20:04.14 | JenniferB2 | because it only says download version 6 ompaul .. stop bitching |
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| 20:04.39 | protocol | What in god's name is going on here? O_o |
| 20:04.40 | ompaul | wow - I give the right answer you keep questioning and I get told I'm bitching ... |
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| 20:05.41 | protocol | JenniferB2: Debian Squeeze -- which is the version you're looking for -- uses Gnome 2.30 |
| 20:05.59 | tziOm | How can I install small cute mailx-bsd without installing exim and alot of other packages? |
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| 20:07.38 | JenniferB2 | you told me to get squeeze .. but there is not a word mentioning squeeze on the main page .. nore is there one that says releases, or download ... only one link saying download debian 6 ... and I just get a download dialog .. I would like to find some info before burning it on the disk.. is it even a 64 bit version or 32 bit when I click download .. i do not know .. i am trying to become certain that is all.. sorry .. but I am hungr |
| 20:08.29 | protocol | update_interval 2 |
| 20:08.29 | protocol | out_to_console yes |
| 20:08.29 | protocol | TEXT |
| 20:08.41 | arthurdent | it's the current stable release. it's going to be the default option... |
| 20:09.04 | protocol | JenniferB2: www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 20:09.07 | arthurdent | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ go wild. |
| 20:09.25 | klync | goes wild |
| 20:09.30 | JenniferB2 | yeeeha |
| 20:09.47 | protocol | That page tells you that you're downloading Debian Squeeze (6.0.5), and gives you a list of the architectures you can download |
| 20:09.48 | JenniferB2 | thats what I am talkin' bout |
| 20:09.50 | JenniferB2 | :p |
| 20:10.01 | tremon | JenniferB2: on the main page, there is a section Getting Debian, which has a link CD ISO images though ;) |
| 20:10.02 | arthurdent | you only need disk1 |
| 20:10.42 | arthurdent | and amd64 is the proper link for all normal 64bit architectures. even if you have an intel cpu. |
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| 20:24.59 | MO_Handes | how to make the "apt-get upgrade" command download but not install? |
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| 20:25.21 | matt7676 | Is it possible to mount a file which has no file system on it, but has partition table? |
| 20:25.25 | raptor67782 | would you kwno how to get the total size : find -iname "*partition*" | du -ch --files0-from=- | awk '/total$/ {print $1}' ? this is not working |
| 20:25.36 | tremon | MO_Handes: man apt-get |
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| 20:26.47 | MO_Handes | apt-get is locked but no applications are using it, how to unlock it? |
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| 20:27.42 | JenniferB2 | I just have one last question before I decide to leave ubuntu all together for debian .. how stable is it compared to u12.04 ? |
| 20:27.51 | tremon | matt7676: yes, but you need to do some manual calculations. See man losetup, options offset and size-limit |
| 20:28.27 | matt7676 | tremon, ok, thanks! Is losetup called in case one uses "mount" with "-o loop" option? |
| 20:29.45 | mrtetris | Strangely, 0,15,30,45 16-23 * * 1-5 CMD works but */15 16-23 * * 1-5 CMD did not. (crontab) :o |
| 20:29.57 | tremon | JenniferB2: "stable" means different things to different people. In the Debian sense, it means "the system will not change during its lifetime". That means no new package versions, only security updates |
| 20:30.06 | haylo_ | MO_Handes, its called debian stable , 12.04 s not called ubuntu stable , is it? |
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| 20:31.02 | MO_Handes | haylo_, can't get it?! what about ubuntu?! I'm on Debian 6.0.5 |
| 20:31.05 | tremon | JenniferB2: for me, it means "I can leave the system running for months, and it will be there whenever I need it" |
| 20:31.18 | haylo_ | oh JenniferB2 i mean. sorry MO_Handes . and apt-get has to be run as root. usually i use aptitude for debian |
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| 20:32.10 | MO_Handes | oh all right |
| 20:32.11 | JenniferB2 | tremon: that sounds great ... what I meant was considering the quality for a developer for instance .. I am not really loosing out on anything or am I expect useless preinstalled packages that I can install myself that normally comes with ubuntu ? |
| 20:32.52 | JenniferB2 | but I am clicking download now |
| 20:32.53 | haylo_ | MO_Handes, enter 'su' to get into root in a terminal. ubuntu uses sudo instead. which is a very vulnerable program |
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| 20:33.09 | JenniferB2 | to much hassle.. one should learn from a couple of mistakes ( talkin about ubuntu ) |
| 20:33.11 | engla | haylo_: you can use sudo just fine in debian, install it |
| 20:33.19 | JenniferB2 | and not repeat them |
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| 20:34.12 | JenniferB2 | from : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ ... should I get cd1-update or just the normal one ? |
| 20:34.25 | haylo_ | engla, sure, but its has security vulnerabilities |
| 20:34.44 | engla | ok |
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| 20:35.02 | haylo_ | and just installing it likely not all you need to do. you need to also add the users to the sudoers file |
| 20:35.11 | tremon | don't use the -update CD, either use the cd1 install or the netinst |
| 20:35.18 | engla | adding a user to the sudo group is the simplest way |
| 20:35.55 | tremon | JenniferB2: as a development base, it's very useful. You can configure it as lean as you want (hint: APT::Install-Recommends "false"). But if you're an open source developer, you will notice that debian stable doesn't contain the latest development headers or compiler version, which can be an issue |
| 20:36.44 | JenniferB2 | development headers ? like preinstalled java and similar? what headers are you refereing to ? |
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| 20:37.05 | haylo_ | you will see if you try to compile something JenniferB2 |
| 20:37.33 | JenniferB2 | haylo_: but I am a developer ... usually tricky to get around ? |
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| 20:38.06 | tremon | JenniferB2: well, for example, gnome is now at 3.4 so if you want to develop a gnome application you might need the latest gtk libraries. Squeeze is still at gtk version 2.30 |
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| 20:38.36 | raptor67782 | how to find without going search into deeper just in the current dir with path-deep=0 ? find *linux* |
| 20:38.37 | tremon | JenniferB2: there are ways around it, either use a testing chroot, or manually install stuff into /usr/local |
| 20:39.31 | JenniferB2 | tremon: sounds good enough .. I dont think that is an issue .. plus I am mostly a java dev .. if I intend to use c++ or c I guess one should get the supported version for the running SO |
| 20:39.33 | JenniferB2 | OS |
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| 20:39.40 | tremon | raptor67782: man find, -maxdepth |
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| 20:40.32 | raptor67782 | find -maxdepth 0 *linux* |
| 20:40.32 | raptor67782 | find: paths must precede expression: linux* |
| 20:40.32 | raptor67782 | Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression] |
| 20:40.35 | tremon | JenniferB2: for java development you probably want to install the oracle jdk manually anyway |
| 20:40.41 | raptor67782 | tremon: I tried but I never managed |
| 20:41.11 | klync | after upgrading from lenny to squeeze, my mysql-server is broken. i've tried `apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server-5.1` but it just craps out with "Error 1". looks like a circular dependency problem to me. http://pastebin.com/EiiU0Fp6 |
| 20:41.54 | tremon | raptor67782: find predicates are somewhat hard to get. You want find . -maxdepth 0 -name '*linux*' I guess |
| 20:42.38 | tremon | raptor67782: note the '.' as path expression. That can also be /, ~ or any other list of dirs |
| 20:43.28 | JenniferB2 | tremon: yes, thanks... downloaiging .. 8 minutes to go |
| 20:43.31 | JenniferB2 | :D |
| 20:43.37 | raptor67782 | tremon: visibly it does not give me the directories |
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| 20:43.48 | raptor67782 | tremon: If I do : ls -1 grep linux |
| 20:44.04 | raptor67782 | tremon: in this above ls command, I see some files that files did not find |
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| 20:44.31 | raptor67782 | tremon: it looks like find does not want the DIRS ...:( |
| 20:44.42 | tremon | raptor67782: man find will tell you "-maxdepth 0 means only apply the tests and actions to the command line arguments." |
| 20:44.53 | matlock | hey anyone got a fix for purple youtube videos that isn't 'disable hardware acceleration? |
| 20:45.03 | tremon | raptor67782: so try again with depth 1 |
| 20:45.33 | jordanm | klync: that's not a depends issue, its because the postinst of mysql-server-5.1 failed |
| 20:45.43 | tremon | matlock: don't use adobe flashplayer? |
| 20:45.58 | jordanm | klync: specifically, "/etc/init.d/mysql start" failed |
| 20:46.01 | matlock | lol okay then what player do you suggest? |
| 20:46.10 | jordanm | klync: check your mysql logs or daemon.log |
| 20:46.29 | jordanm | klync: sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start # may also be helpful |
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| 20:46.54 | tremon | matlock: wouldn't know, I avoid flash like the plague. I usually resort to using youtube-dl and mplayer/vlc |
| 20:47.07 | matlock | hmm |
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| 20:47.35 | klync | jordanm: it can't start because there's no /usr/bin/mysql_safe because mysql-server is a metapkg and i need to get mysql-server-5.1 installed to get that binary |
| 20:47.40 | tremon | matlock: you might want to ask again in the channel for your graphics driver though |
| 20:47.48 | matlock | meh |
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| 20:47.55 | matlock | i'll try the flashplayer replacer thingy |
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| 20:48.29 | tremon | there are two, gnash and lightspark. Both sometimes work and sometimes don't |
| 20:48.44 | jordanm | klync: it should be mysqld_safe and that is put in place when mysql-server-5.1 is unpacked and before postinst, so it should be in place |
| 20:49.14 | matlock | firefox has a 'flashvideoreplacer' add-on |
| 20:49.24 | tremon | ah... |
| 20:49.25 | klync | jordanm: but mysql-server-5.1 predepends on mysql-server so it never gets installed by the time mysql-server postinst runs |
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| 20:50.06 | jordanm | klync: mysql-server-5.1 does not depend nor predepend on mysql-server |
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| 20:50.18 | jordanm | mysql-server is a meta package, nothing can depend on it |
| 20:50.23 | tremon | in any case, both mysql-server-5.1 and mysql-server should already be unpacked... |
| 20:50.27 | matt7676 | tremon, for some reason I'm not able to save the specified amount of cylinders: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p5631 Any ideas? |
| 20:50.59 | klync | jordanm: maybe i misunderstand; why is it when i say "apt-get install mysql-server-5.1" it tries to pull in "mysql-server", install 2 pkgs, then fail |
| 20:50.59 | jordanm | klync: pastebin the output of sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 20:51.21 | jordanm | klync: because mysql-server is already installed but not configured |
| 20:51.35 | jordanm | its in a "broken" state |
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| 20:51.46 | jordanm | you can remove it, but it doesn't affect your issue at all |
| 20:52.00 | jordanm | the problem here is that mysql fails to start |
| 20:52.34 | tremon | matt7676: why are you trying to partition a file? The behaviour is correct btw, because the C/H/S (number of heads/cylinders/sector) isn't written to be mbr. It's a device property, normally the kernel just asks the drive. Since it's not a drive, the kernel returns nothing |
| 20:54.05 | klync | jordanm: ok, i'll paste that later; gotta run but thanks for looking at my issue |
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| 20:56.46 | tremon | klync: for completeness sake, the answer to your latest question is "mysql-server-5.1 is not pulling in mysql-server; you installed mysql-server which pulled in m-s-5.1. mysql-server cannot be configured until mysql-server-5.1 is configured correctly" |
| 20:59.26 | raptor67782 | thx. will try tomorrow. good night |
| 21:00.41 | evilbulgarian | anyone know if vmware-tools api can be used to change the ip settings of an debian guest? |
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| 21:01.04 | klync | jordanm, tremon: i found it, not sure why it was so hard, but eventually got the error msg that "skip-bdb" was still in my.cnf; removed it and all is fine now |
| 21:01.07 | klync | thanks both |
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| 21:01.19 | jordanm | anytime |
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| 21:02.21 | matt7676 | tremon, ok, I see. Well I created MBR to "10MBfile" file, mounted this device as a loop device with "losetup --offset 32256 /dev/loop1 10MBfile" command, created file system and finally tried to mount it: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p5632 Am I correct that I'm not able to mount 10MBfile itself, but I should mount the first partition on this file? |
| 21:02.36 | matlock | seems every plugin i try is broken |
| 21:02.37 | matlock | no sound |
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| 21:04.47 | tremon | matt7676: if you mkdosfs on /dev/loop1 (i.e. at offset 32256), then you must also mount the image at offset 32256 |
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| 21:05.06 | tremon | matt7676: which brings us back to the question why you need a partition table? |
| 21:06.05 | ggherdov | Hi all. When you ask apt-get to install the package XYZ, and it tells you "Package XYZ is not available, but is referred to by another package.", what do you do? and what does it mean? debian squeeze here, package XYZ is actually solr-tomcat5.5, and my /etc/apt/sources.list is http://www.bpaste.net/show/YSvywjXtmVOtK8sEIBcY/ |
| 21:06.24 | matlock | seems google's flash works fine |
| 21:06.31 | matlock | so i'll use that |
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| 21:06.53 | protocol | ggherdov: do an apt-cache search nameofpackage |
| 21:07.05 | ggherdov | protocol: no results :-( |
| 21:07.08 | protocol | ggherdov: this will list packages in the repository matching |
| 21:07.22 | protocol | ggherdov: then it doesn't exist in the repository. Which package are you looking for? |
| 21:07.53 | tremon | ggherdov: it usually means that some package has a Depends: or Recommends: line that mentions solr-tomcat5.5, but no configured source offers the package for download |
| 21:07.54 | ggherdov | protocol: it is solr-tomcat5.5 |
| 21:08.29 | tremon | ggherdov: it may mean that you need to enable contrib or non-free, or it may be that the package is no longer available and some packages still have stale dependencies |
| 21:08.34 | dvs | ggherdov: That packages does not exist in Debian |
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| 21:09.11 | protocol | ggherdov: yep. tremon is right. It could be that it's under contrib/non-free. You may need to add that to your sources.list |
| 21:09.28 | protocol | ggherdov: also, the package I am finding is "solr-tomcat" without the 5.5 |
| 21:09.31 | matt7676 | tremon, good point :D Sorry. I'll try without partition table. |
| 21:09.49 | raptor67782 | thank you |
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| 21:10.09 | ggherdov | protocol: dvs: tremon: ok. How do I search contrib/non-free on the web (to check quickly) ? |
| 21:10.24 | tremon | ggherdov: packages.debian.org |
| 21:10.27 | dvs | ggherdov: http://packages.debian.org |
| 21:10.28 | raptor67782 | and how to tar a list of find into a single pack.tar.gz ? find -iname "*linux*.doc" | tar ... blabla to pack.tar.gz ? |
| 21:10.29 | ggherdov | tremon: thanks |
| 21:10.36 | tremon | dvs: :p |
| 21:10.43 | dvs | tremon: ... |
| 21:10.56 | ggherdov | dvs: thanks |
| 21:11.12 | protocol | lol I knew one of you would respond. Which is why I am just enjoying my gummy bears |
| 21:12.03 | engla_ | raptor67782: xargs. take care since you're passing absolute paths to tar |
| 21:13.20 | raptor67782 | engla_: I am not sure that xargs is appropriated since it will use the CPU for nothing for each file, you add it... : example in a single cmmd line : find -iname "*blabla*" > /tmp/listoffiles.lst ; tar .... pack.tar.gz < /tmp/listoffiles.lst |
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| 21:13.56 | engla_ | raptor67782: I'm not following |
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| 21:15.22 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.24 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.44 | raptor67782 | rar is cool for that. rar is very well coded packing software for windows |
| 21:16.27 | raptor67782 | however, our linux world use mainly tar.gz. Can this single command be done with this LINUX TAR (gzip/...) to make a tar.gz ? |
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| 21:17.20 | tremon | raptor67782: tar can't use an input file. You need to convert the filelist to a list of arguments, which is why engla_ suggested to use xargs |
| 21:18.00 | raptor67782 | tremon: tar is so old? come on? why no one continue to develop it and improve it ? |
| 21:18.03 | JenniferB2 | hi again ... the cd loads and blinks and then I get out of it ... and my previous fedora 17 gnu grub menu comes up ... |
| 21:18.03 | engla_ | you can use an input file with tar too, if raptor67782 checks the man page |
| 21:18.11 | raptor67782 | tremon: tar has not evolved within the last 10 years |
| 21:18.18 | engla_ | raptor67782: silly attacks instead of reading the man page? come on.. |
| 21:18.23 | JenniferB2 | could I do this through the usb instead ? |
| 21:18.25 | tremon | raptor67782: then use rar |
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| 21:19.12 | raptor67782 | rar is not opensource... well, I dont know. that's my feelings that some old codes waits to bloom for more options |
| 21:19.31 | tremon | engla_: I'd be interested in your tar manual then. Mine only lists --exclude-from :) |
| 21:19.52 | engla_ | do you have --files-from ? |
| 21:20.12 | JenniferB2 | tremon: basically: http://superuser.com/questions/288349/boot-stuck-at-blinking-cursor-before-grub-only-works-via-bios-boot-menu |
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| 21:20.31 | tremon | ah... was search for --include as the analogue for --exclude, not for some other -from command. thx |
| 21:20.37 | raptor67782 | an example is rsync. Years after years it gives new features, possibilites, ... amazing coding or mplayer, or mplayer2 that keep on showing an oustanding new array of possibilities and features, and bug fixing ... I think that a compressing tool for CLI could be long awaited |
| 21:20.41 | tremon | s/search/&ing/ |
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| 21:21.49 | raptor67782 | Must sleep. Good evening. I dont bash linux, by far. Lov'in it. Just thinking we could make evolve some old applications... sometimes |
| 21:22.51 | JenniferB2 | could this be due to that I already have fedora installed on my main disk ? |
| 21:23.41 | gnoki | sounds like you havent studied linux or unix raptor67782 |
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| 21:24.13 | tremon | JenniferB2: I gotta go, I'm sure other people can help out. If you already have fedora then you already have a grub bootloader installed. I'd look for ways to boot both systems with the same grub setup (in Debian, that means installing os-prober) |
| 21:25.15 | JenniferB2 | tremon: thanks .. i am not really interested in keeping fedora .. I tried it and did not like gnome 3 .. however I have important files on the same disk ( another partiion = |
| 21:25.16 | JenniferB2 | ) |
| 21:25.42 | JenniferB2 | So i just want to get to the debian installer! |
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| 21:29.04 | JenniferB2 | is there a guide to make a usb installer rather than burn to disc ? |
| 21:29.11 | JenniferB2 | from windows |
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| 21:33.53 | alexandros | hi there...how i steal wifi beacause mine is cut from the company? |
| 21:35.03 | krux | lol |
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| 21:35.14 | JenniferB2 | okej found http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:35.22 | engla_ | ask neighbors nicely. or build an antenna and pick up a free net |
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| 21:35.37 | jpinx | JenniferB2: nomorewindows.com iirc ;) |
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| 21:36.17 | alexandros | thank you all |
| 21:36.56 | gotmynick | JenniferB2, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283136 |
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| 21:37.14 | gotmynick | points to other software, you may need to rename .iso to .img |
| 21:37.45 | jpinx | !tell JenniferB2 about usb install |
| 21:37.51 | jubo2 | when on linux it's just "cat image.iso /dev/usb0" and "sync" ... took me two day to get Xubuntu .iso image onto an USB stick given Windows 7 Starter and OS X |
| 21:38.44 | gotmynick | that will cat the image and your usb device to stdout |
| 21:38.47 | JenniferB2 | i will give this a try |
| 21:39.02 | gotmynick | jubo2, it lacks a redirection > |
| 21:39.07 | jubo2 | true |
| 21:39.19 | alexandros | engla... here i Ellas we dont have any job so i dont have net... |
| 21:39.37 | gotmynick | and how are you connected ? |
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| 21:39.52 | jubo2 | how stupid of me not to redirect the stdout.. |
| 21:39.53 | alexandros | from a friend |
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| 21:40.31 | gotmynick | alexandros, I think people will not help you to stole wifi here in this channel, maybe I'm wrong |
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| 21:41.00 | jpinx | alexandros: do you have a question relating to debian ? |
| 21:41.55 | alexandros | please??? i have debian and i want to know how o steal net ... its to hard? |
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| 21:44.54 | ansgar | alexandros: Dress like this http://www.technoblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/wifi-internet-thief-user-400x266.jpg and you will magically know how to do it. |
| 21:45.15 | jordanm | that has to be the best answer |
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| 21:45.32 | alexandros | :) nice thank you a lot |
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| 21:45.48 | gnoki | alexandros, you cant hack wep or wpa its impossible. they are so well encrypted you would have to be a genius |
| 21:46.11 | jordanm | gnoki: sarcasm doesn't work very well over IRC |
| 21:46.23 | jubo2 | gnoki: ha. wep is what.. 40 bit and opened in a matter of tens of seconds |
| 21:46.39 | gnoki | oh , no that backfired |
| 21:46.43 | alexandros | i have friends with windows and they can...me with linux and i dont... |
| 21:46.51 | jordanm | how fast its open is purely dependant on how much traffic its generating |
| 21:47.17 | b_ | what should i read to understand default updatedb (locate) behavior? |
| 21:47.42 | jordanm | b_: cat /etc/updatedb.conf ? |
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| 21:48.29 | liuyuan | Hello all, I'm trying to run aptitude update, the gives errors saying E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
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| 21:48.52 | b_ | Jordan_U, No such file or directory |
| 21:48.57 | jordanm | liuyuan: pastebin the full output of the update command, along with apt-cache policy |
| 21:49.24 | xreal | How can I list all fontnames in shell? |
| 21:49.40 | liuyuan | jordanm: Thanks for your response. I didn't get a chance to install X yet, is there a place where I can curl the output? |
| 21:49.50 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 21:49.51 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 21:50.04 | jordanm | !wgetpaste |
| 21:50.05 | dpkg | wgetpaste is a CLI application for sending text to a pastebin, its only dependencies are bash and wget. To install and use: wget http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && tar xvjf wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && cd wgetpaste-2.17 You can then use it as ./wgetpaste; e.g. dmesg | ./wgetpaste It is also safe to copy to /usr/local/bin for easier use. |
| 21:50.08 | liuyuan | Thanks! |
| 21:50.11 | gotmynick | liuyuan, if it's a fresh wheezy with the alpha installer, you will need to install bzip2, and apt-get update again |
| 21:50.16 | jordanm | liuyuan: use wgetpaste if you can't install anything with apt currently |
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| 21:50.19 | gotmynick | then the error goes out |
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| 21:51.07 | liuyuan | Thanks for your help, I'll be back in a bit with the pasted output. |
| 21:51.18 | gotmynick | xreal, which fonts? if the "shell" is a xterm, try xlsfonts |
| 21:51.29 | xreal | gotmynick: font names of TTF fontsd |
| 21:51.42 | xreal | gotmynick: xlsfonts: unable to open display '' |
| 21:51.48 | xreal | it's a server |
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| 21:52.23 | gotmynick | find /usr/share/fonts/truetype -iname '*.ttf' |
| 21:52.41 | xreal | gotmynick: Fonts do have REAL names. |
| 21:52.46 | jordanm | b_: its part of the mlocate package |
| 21:52.53 | xreal | sdfi3h34.ttf = MyFontName (Bold) |
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| 21:54.37 | b_ | Jordan_U, remove locate, install mlocate, i must? |
| 21:55.35 | jordanm | b_: it would be recommended, since "locate" is the legacy version |
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| 21:55.58 | gotmynick | xreal, man -k fonts .... try with the "fc-list" result and see if it has what you'r searching for |
| 21:56.18 | xreal | gotmynick: thx |
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| 21:56.36 | gotmynick | it returns things like: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf: DejaVu Sans:style=Book |
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| 21:56.45 | b_ | Jordan_U, mkay, is there a schnnel curs on how to get updatedb croned or something ....? |
| 21:57.49 | jordanm | b_: mlocate installs a cron file in /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 21:58.06 | jordanm | b_: also, Jordan_U is a different person |
| 21:58.48 | b_ | cool, so all is automagic i guess |
| 21:59.31 | jordanm | yep, easy as installing it |
| 21:59.40 | b_ | thanks |
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| 22:06.30 | Jordan_U | jordanm: Indeed, I'm just here to make life harder on you by having a similar nick ;) |
| 22:06.48 | jordanm | Jordan_U: it was bit too many to be ETAB |
| 22:08.12 | b_ | weird that xchat seems to be case insensitive thought .... |
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| 22:09.04 | b_ | not to mention silly |
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| 22:11.15 | gnoki | what b_ silly ? |
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| 22:12.18 | b_ | well, it is obvious that "jordanm was talkative in last 60 seconds" type of silly |
| 22:12.31 | b_ | unaware of any chat context |
| 22:12.57 | tharkun | What would be a rule of thumb for saying that a certain server is allready overloaded? |
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| 22:13.46 | gnoki | you want xchat to b_ keeping track of everything? type b_ silly O positive |
| 22:13.54 | jordanm | tharkun: your application runs poorly |
| 22:14.02 | ompaul | tharkun: consistent load level being high, trashing of disks, swap in use and network stack challenged |
| 22:15.01 | b_ | gnoki, with a starting / or without? |
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| 22:19.28 | tharkun | jordanm, ompaul: Ok, I think I'm at the brink of that. Time to kick the crap out of the other camp to get my new server back. Thanks |
| 22:19.29 | jordanm | tharkun: do you run sysstat? |
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| 22:19.29 | tharkun | jordanm: no, i cron some vmstat but that is about it. I am in no position to keep adding stuff lately |
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| 22:19.29 | jordanm | sysstat is lightweight, and pretty essential for profiling load on a server. unless you have something else like munin or some other graphing/monitor/trending data system |
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| 22:19.30 | tharkun | jordanm: thanks I'm taking note of it. I never though of installing such type of programs to get aditional resources. |
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| 22:20.58 | n-iCe | Hello! I noticed that only one laptop built-in speaker is working, any idea why? I checked all the alsa configurations and all are up |
| 22:21.18 | ompaul | mono broadcast |
| 22:21.36 | ompaul | incorrectly plugged in other piece of hardware |
| 22:21.40 | tharkun | n-iCe: is the speaker broken or the connector in place? |
| 22:21.50 | n-iCe | ompaul: is a debian thing, since I had other distro and worked |
| 22:22.45 | tharkun | n-iCe: try another source of audio, some other file a different stream. |
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| 22:23.10 | tharkun | Don't make a judgement on a single fact. Too much stuff involved |
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| 22:24.23 | n-iCe | tharkun: tried |
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| 22:46.19 | matt7676 | Is MBR boot code are(first 440 bytes) always compatible? I mean for example I could use the first 440 bytes of my primary HDD to make my USB memory stick bootable? |
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| 22:46.53 | matt7676 | Or do I need to us /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin? |
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| 22:47.51 | gotmynick | the mbr will contain grub stage1 (and then the partition table) |
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| 22:48.30 | gotmynick | there was a 'mbr' package, to write generic mbr code if I remember ok |
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| 22:55.21 | matt7676 | gotmynick, ok. Yes, I use GRUB for my primary HDD. However, if I use syslinux for my USB memory stick I'm afraid I need to use "syslinux stage1 MBR code"? The one provided with syslinux package(/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin)? |
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| 22:58.22 | gotmynick | as far as I can remember from when I've used syslinux, it had a command to install the desired config to the device |
| 22:58.49 | gotmynick | maybe you just need to run syslinux on the device and it will do what it need to do with the mbr |
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| 23:01.03 | gotmynick | I don't know what are you trying to do with your usb, but debian-live project has a "persistent" mode that is neat |
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| 23:09.10 | JenniferB2 | helo |
| 23:09.19 | JenniferB2 | I am giving a choice on what to install: |
| 23:09.20 | JenniferB2 | linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 debian installer |
| 23:09.32 | JenniferB2 | in the "install the base system" |
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| 23:11.46 | gotmynick | JenniferB2, if you choose linux-image-2.6-amd64 you will get kernel upgrades when they happen (for example when you upgrade your debian version) |
| 23:12.10 | gotmynick | so it's the recommended option |
| 23:12.14 | JenniferB2 | oh .. i picked the other one |
| 23:12.27 | JenniferB2 | but I should be able to upgrade there as well ? |
| 23:12.32 | gotmynick | you can always install it after installation |
| 23:12.38 | gotmynick | it's just a "metapackage" |
| 23:12.42 | gotmynick | a empty package |
| 23:12.50 | gotmynick | that points to the last available vresion on the repos |
| 23:13.09 | gotmynick | *version |
| 23:17.29 | gotmynick | and "points to", means "depends on" |
| 23:17.29 | JenniferB2 | ook so new kernel updates will still be easily updated even thgouh I picked the "wrong" one |
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| 23:17.29 | gotmynick | if you tell debian to use "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64", then you may loose "2.6.32-6" |
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| 23:17.29 | gotmynick | if you use the empty metapakage that depends on last version, you get upgrades |
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| 23:17.29 | gotmynick | you can install it when you login after the debian installer without problems |
| 23:17.30 | gotmynick | goes for pizza |
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