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| 03:34.46 | BenNZ | Magnade: edit /etc/defauly/grub and change the "quiet splash" to "" , then run sudo update-grub |
| 03:35.31 | Magnade | BenNZ: thats not what im dealing with |
| 03:35.53 | Magnade | i see the log as its going by but when the text login prompt appears its all cleared |
| 03:35.57 | karlpinc | Magnade: I don't suppose it's something in your motd? |
| 03:36.06 | Magnade | thats empty |
| 03:36.13 | Magnade | it came in some update |
| 03:36.18 | karlpinc | Magnade: And besides, that shows up after login. |
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| 03:55.05 | Magnade | im going to take a guess that getty got an update in wheezy and it now by default does more clearing |
| 03:55.13 | Magnade | which for people like me is annoying of course |
| 03:55.19 | Magnade | anyhow thanks again! |
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| 04:01.32 | stew | i'm sure getty has been clearing by default for a long time |
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| 04:22.50 | stew | what were you hooking your modems up to if not mgetty ‽ |
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| 04:31.35 | CRUNK | is anyone elses chrome a piece of shit like mine? i feel like mine is always crashing and then i have to "kill pages" just wondering if its only me |
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| 04:31.53 | CRUNK | about to switch back to firefox |
| 04:32.30 | stew | CRUNK: you are talking about the chromium and iceweasel debian packages? or something else? |
| 04:32.44 | CRUNK | stew: nonfree google chrome from google.com website |
| 04:33.40 | CRUNK | actually first from google.com and then i did the debian package nonfree section |
| 04:34.15 | stew | CRUNK: which package from the nonfree section? |
| 04:34.24 | CRUNK | google-chrome-stable i believe |
| 04:34.35 | stew | judd: versions google-chrome-stable |
| 04:34.36 | judd | No package named 'google-chrome-stable' was found in i386. |
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| 04:37.40 | CRUNK | stew: ? |
| 04:38.22 | stew | CRUNK: what's up? |
| 04:38.48 | CRUNK | judds wrong |
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| 04:39.11 | stew | i doubt that |
| 04:39.21 | CRUNK | google-chrome-beta - The web browser from Google |
| 04:39.21 | CRUNK | google-chrome-stable - The web browser from Google |
| 04:39.22 | CRUNK | google-chrome-unstable - The web browser from Google |
| 04:39.22 | CRUNK | root@clutch:/home/mike# |
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| 04:39.30 | stew | unless this is really a brand new (like only hours old) package |
| 04:40.05 | stew | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=google-chrome-stable and http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/google-chrome-stable.html concur |
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| 04:40.24 | CRUNK | well my apt-get just started installing it |
| 04:40.34 | stew | not from debian |
| 04:40.39 | stew | but anyway, i should stay out of this |
| 04:40.56 | belak | Anyone know about something like this on an aptitude update? W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org wheezy InRelease: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 04:40.59 | CRUNK | ok i will say i might not know what non-free or any of that is, so yes, not from "debian" |
| 04:41.12 | CRUNK | but i was just answering your question to "which package did you install" |
| 04:41.21 | squarepeg | hello |
| 04:41.29 | stew | CRUNK: sorry to bother you |
| 04:41.45 | squarepeg | I'm trying to figure out where I can set my icon theme and my colors |
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| 04:41.53 | squarepeg | I'm using an uncommon window manager which uses gtk |
| 04:42.05 | squarepeg | I have no GUI |
| 04:42.12 | CRUNK | stew: apology accepted |
| 04:42.16 | squarepeg | well, I do but none of the trimmings |
| 04:42.19 | stew | belak: that's odd, however you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org directly, but some other mirror |
| 04:42.23 | stew | belak: what country are you in? |
| 04:42.29 | belak | stew: us |
| 04:42.36 | stew | belak: then use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 04:42.47 | belak | stew: also, only does it with aptitude, not apt-get |
| 04:42.58 | stew | belak: but the gpgv error is probably something local. does /usr/bin/gpgv exist? |
| 04:43.02 | belak | Yes |
| 04:43.24 | stew | belak: what arch are you on? |
| 04:43.52 | stew | actually i suppose that doesn't matter for a release file |
| 04:43.59 | belak | Hm, looks like the server is in Europe though |
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| 04:44.53 | stew | i get gpgv: Signature made Thu 28 Jun 2012 10:24:55 PM EDT using RSA key ID 473041FA |
| 04:44.58 | stew | which is definitely the right key |
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| 04:45.43 | hstefan | How can I install python 3.2 on squeeze? It doens't appear on aptitude search. |
| 04:45.46 | stew | belak: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 04:46.16 | belak | stew: yes |
| 04:46.26 | stew | belak: which version? |
| 04:46.38 | stew | hstefan: right, because 3.2 didn't exist when squeeze was frozen |
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| 04:47.19 | stew | hstefan: if you *really* need 3.2 your best bet might be installing it from source under you home directories and pointing scripts that need it directly at that python |
| 04:47.49 | belak | stew: um... how can I check? |
| 04:48.09 | stew | apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring |
| 04:48.26 | belak | stew: 2012.4 |
| 04:48.38 | hstefan | stew: ok, thanks |
| 04:48.58 | stew | judd checkbackport python3 |
| 04:48.59 | judd | Backporting package python3 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 04:49.11 | stew | well, i still dunno that I would have recommended that to him |
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| 04:53.37 | belak | stew: any other ideas? |
| 04:53.44 | archwiccan | how do you install firefox. I tried apt-get install firefox but it said its refered but there is no package |
| 04:54.15 | stew | archwiccan: its called "iceweasel" in debian |
| 04:54.17 | ondrejk_ | hi, i have problems with rebuilding raid1 array, is there any other way than using mdadm for rebuild? like copy partition from one disk to another? |
| 04:54.37 | archwiccan | LOL why the name change |
| 04:54.42 | stew | belak: does "apt-key list" contain 473041FA ? |
| 04:55.09 | stew | archwiccan: becuase Mozilla said we had to if we want to provide security updates to it |
| 04:55.19 | stew | archwiccan: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 04:55.42 | archwiccan | but does iceweasel support addons |
| 04:55.50 | stew | archwiccan: its firefox, so yes |
| 04:56.01 | belak | stew: yes... |
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| 04:56.10 | stew | belak: did you try a different mirror? |
| 04:56.18 | belak | I set it to US |
| 04:56.24 | belak | gpg: checking the trustdb |
| 04:56.25 | belak | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 04:56.29 | belak | Is that an issue? |
| 04:57.17 | stew | <insert propaganda here where I try to convince you that you should have a gpg that is in the web of trust> |
| 04:57.56 | belak | I'm confused |
| 04:58.14 | archwiccan | last thing im coming from ubuntu :P anywho do i always have to do su root "enter password" then apt-get install XXX instead of just doing sudo apt-get install X |
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| 04:58.20 | stew | belak: what does "gpgv /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_InRelease" return? |
| 04:58.35 | stew | archwiccan: because you haven't yet installed and configured sudo? |
| 04:58.42 | belak | stew: as root? |
| 04:58.56 | jagginess | tubaman, i noticed something on top of that forum post.. if I set things to "unlimitted' with macromedia flash setting pages, I don't get crashes anymore |
| 04:59.02 | stew | belak: no |
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| 04:59.30 | belak | gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error |
| 04:59.35 | belak | Also that file doesn't exist |
| 04:59.51 | tubaman | cool |
| 05:00.14 | stew | :) so why were you asking "as root?" :) |
| 05:00.35 | belak | Just different error as root... well, different path |
| 05:00.45 | belak | I wasn't sure if it mattered |
| 05:00.47 | jagginess | tubaman, scratch that, /less crashy for some flash players (noticed, but it isnt as crash to me) |
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| 05:01.34 | deadmund | Just finished installing Debian on a ppc powerbook g4. The graphics are a little messed up (highlight colors randomly change, other random boxes on top of things). How can I fix this? No errors in dmesg that I see. |
| 05:02.08 | stew | belak: what does "gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-squeeze-automatic.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_InRelease" return AS ROOT? |
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| 05:02.53 | belak | gpgv: can't open `/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_InRelease' |
| 05:03.06 | stew | belak: uh, is there a very similarly named file? |
| 05:03.41 | belak | Nothing with InRelease |
| 05:03.47 | belak | Release exists though |
| 05:03.58 | peterrooney | deadmund: there is also #debianppc |
| 05:04.30 | deadmund | ahh, didn't know that. |
| 05:04.39 | deadmund | peterrooney, got the wifi and the lan working on it btw :) |
| 05:05.12 | stew | belak: what version of apt is installed? |
| 05:06.02 | peterrooney | deadmund: welcome to the continuous rolling IQ test that is linux on macs |
| 05:06.28 | belak | 0.8.10.3 |
| 05:06.44 | belak | Ah |
| 05:06.48 | belak | I didn't do dist-upgrade |
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| 05:07.08 | stew | judd: versions apt |
| 05:07.09 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.9.6; sid: 0.9.7 |
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| 05:07.30 | stew | and you are behind on security updates |
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| 05:07.40 | stew | (which doesn't matter once you actually finish upgrading to wheezy) |
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| 05:08.18 | deadmund | peterrooney, haha, thanks :) |
| 05:08.50 | belak | THere we go |
| 05:08.52 | belak | Much better |
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| 05:15.27 | ondrejk_ | hello, i found bad blocks on one of my disks in raid1 array, how can i fix this? |
| 05:15.35 | ondrejk_ | should i replace this disk? |
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| 05:19.37 | rjanja | ondrejk_, have you run badblocks? |
| 05:20.48 | rjanja | if not, look into it- the general procedure is to run it and use the output to tell your filesystem not to use those parts of the drive any more |
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| 05:24.44 | ondrejk_ | rjanja: yes, i ran badblock and it found some bad blocks really |
| 05:25.17 | ondrejk_ | rjanja: i have problems with raid rebuild, is possible it's caused by this? |
| 05:25.34 | rjanja | likely |
| 05:26.37 | ondrejk_ | rjanja: rebuild runs for some time but then load will go up and it's not possible to stop rebuild, only solution is reboot |
| 05:26.57 | rjanja | sounds like it's hitting that part of the drive |
| 05:27.03 | ondrejk_ | rjanja: ive googled it and it looks like i can use badblocks output in fsck command - that will fix it, am i right? |
| 05:27.31 | ondrejk_ | rjanja: but it "freezes" not in same part of rebuild, once at 8%, once at 70%... |
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| 05:28.39 | ondrejk_ | i think there are 2 solutions: repair badblocks by fsck, use dd instead of rebuild |
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| 05:28.52 | rjanja | ondrejk_, right, could just be chance that it gets past it one time, not sure |
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| 05:31.22 | rjanja | on1ald, this page may help: http://goo.gl/pgF7v scroll down a bit (60%) |
| 05:31.27 | rjanja | err ondrejk_, even |
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| 05:46.50 | cads | hey guys |
| 05:48.41 | cads | I'm in debian wheezy. |
| 05:49.05 | cads | I'm having trouble with evince and zathura when displaying this pdf: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qct94a88z3gfpsx/magicnumbers.pdf |
| 05:49.33 | cads | as well as quite a few other pdfs, including some from arxiv, and some other sources |
| 05:49.53 | cads | evince and zathura both depend on poppler |
| 05:50.10 | cads | but adobe pdf reader does not have the problem |
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| 06:09.29 | sammyf | identify umtata70 |
| 06:09.40 | sammyf | or maybe not :P |
| 06:09.41 | sammyf | sorry |
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| 06:13.30 | civillian | nice one sammyf |
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| 06:17.29 | faustinparis | is anyone here deep into VDI and exotic storage/partitioning schemes? i'm using debian as a host OS for some VMs and I have a spare SSD to play with for caching. was looking into bcache but not sure where to start. |
| 06:17.59 | sammyf | civillian: yeah. I'm very proud of myself on that one. I blame weechat though :P |
| 06:19.46 | faustinparis | no one? maybe just general insight on using an SSD for /swap etc.? |
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| 06:22.18 | civillian | faustinparis: unless your guest is swapping excessivly I wouldn't waste an SSD on swap |
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| 06:24.13 | faustinparis | civillian: yeah i hear you. but it'd like my VMs to avoid stuttering when i'm doing an rsync on the host OS |
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| 06:25.20 | faustinparis | civillian: basically i have 2x500GB SATA and 1x64GB SSD... i almost never use the host OS, it's more like a client hypervisor |
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| 06:26.02 | civillian | faustinparis: no idea sorry. /away |
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| 06:34.29 | sep | faustinparis, run the rsync with ionice ? |
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| 06:35.14 | faustinparis | sep: ionice? is that kinda like a priority level for disk usage? |
| 06:36.05 | sep | it's like nice for io |
| 06:36.37 | jagginess | aliases mean=nice |
| 06:36.56 | jagginess | lol |
| 06:37.11 | faustinparis | k... so yeah |
| 06:37.33 | faustinparis | gotcha, but i have to assume the SSD has a place in there |
| 06:37.53 | faustinparis | scheduling seems like a cop out in a way |
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| 06:40.57 | sep | faustinparis, i would not use bcache until it's included in the kernel, on a production server |
| 06:41.05 | sep | other then that it's awesome :) |
| 06:42.10 | faustinparis | sep: ah! cool yeah this is just for my desktop at home. i definitely want something stable but it's not like i'm going to get fired over it. |
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| 06:45.14 | faustinparis | sep: i'm basically using the host OS as a client hypervisor... so VM performance is absolutely key, i don't even run mpd on the host |
| 06:45.18 | sep | faustinparis, in that case help bcache get included , bu running and testing it :) |
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| 06:47.26 | faustinparis | sep: thanks, i knew bcache was solid but wasn't able to find any "kudos" on google for my application of it |
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| 06:48.12 | sep | faustinparis, altho the mailinglists shows they are working more on getting included in mainline kernel, then in having a easy to use patchset ready, your milage may vary http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.bcache.devel |
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| 06:53.52 | faustinparis | sep: thanks for the link, definitely makes it seem a more ominous task than i had assumed. it's given me some ideas tho... |
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| 06:54.02 | faustinparis | sep: much appreicated |
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| 06:55.29 | sep | faustinparis, also if you rsync many files, remember -t :) |
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| 07:01.48 | faustinparis | sep: :-/ actually had to man that one... damn thought the -a would include that. thanks man, i'm definitely punching above my weight |
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| 07:04.53 | faustinparis | sep: only been on linux for like 2years after doing MS desktop/server support for a decade. i swear anything that isn't FOSS causes brain damage. thx again. |
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| 07:07.59 | Exalt | hey what do you think of my website ? http://www.sajeethan.nl/iwt/ |
| 07:08.28 | ompaul | spam doesn't get clicked on there you go |
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| 07:09.41 | Exalt | ompaul: i need visitors to make a nice google analytics report for school |
| 07:09.54 | ompaul | and this is not the place to get them |
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| 07:10.52 | Exalt | ompaul: your right! |
| 07:11.32 | Exalt | but i cant join debian offtopic i see |
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| 07:16.56 | archwiccan | where is the irc for debian-unstable |
| 07:17.01 | lcc | hi how can I apt-get source from a specific repo without adding one to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 07:17.09 | tralala | archwiccan, here |
| 07:17.31 | archwiccan | ah kk didn't know if there was a seperation |
| 07:17.40 | tralala | lcc, you can't. Why would you want to anyway? |
| 07:17.54 | sep | lcc, whats the harm in adding deb-src entries in sources.list ? |
| 07:18.05 | lcc | tralala: I want to download hurd src on linux without messing with sources.list |
| 07:18.17 | tralala | lcc, you can download the source packages by hand but you won't get deps resolution |
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| 07:19.30 | tralala | lcc, also you can add a separate file in sources.list.d |
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| 07:20.15 | lcc | tralala: well, can I add it to sources.list apt-get update. apt-get source hurd, then delete it from sources.list. apt-get update again. and everything is clean and fine? |
| 07:20.32 | tralala | sure |
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| 07:20.55 | tralala | a -src line won't mess your file anyway |
| 07:21.03 | lcc | ok |
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| 07:21.58 | tralala | also note that you can have multiple .list files, in order to separate your repos more conveniently |
| 07:22.06 | lcc | sweet |
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| 07:41.50 | bhundven | no noob, been using debian and slackware for ages. wtf is it still a pita to install debian on a macbook? |
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| 07:42.44 | bhundven | don't want dualboot |
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| 07:49.32 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 07:50.25 | MaxFrames | any idea why the output of "iptables -L" is slow as hell (like, a row every 5 seconds)? |
| 07:50.48 | emss | resolving ips |
| 07:50.51 | Woet | MaxFrames: -n |
| 07:50.58 | MaxFrames | thanks |
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| 07:51.31 | MaxFrames | now we're talking :) |
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| 07:53.26 | archwiccan | im using lxde and the clock is showing UTC but the time isn't right, how do i get it to show localtime |
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| 07:56.57 | MaxFrames | if I allow connections on a certain port with iptables, will the connection succeed regardless of the type of data, as long as the protocol and port are matched? i.e. if port 80 is open, but the type of traffic is not http, will the connection succeed as far as iptables is concerned? |
| 07:57.46 | evilmquin | yes |
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| 07:58.27 | evilmquin | unless you're doing packet-inspection stuff iptables doesn't care what happens above the TCP level |
| 07:59.43 | MaxFrames | I am running an openvpn server on port 10311/udp, and want to switch it to 443/tcp, so I created a rule which looks like this: |
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| 08:00.13 | MaxFrames | ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:443 |
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| 08:00.29 | MaxFrames | yet, the firewall is still blocking connections on port 443/tcp |
| 08:00.45 | MaxFrames | something strange is going on |
| 08:01.00 | MaxFrames | the rule is in the inbound chain |
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| 08:02.50 | MaxFrames | brb |
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| 08:30.09 | DarkStar1 | sudo apt-get install update <==== is that correct? |
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| 08:30.54 | boudiccas | DarkStar1: no, forget the install |
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| 08:34.33 | boudiccas | DarkStar1: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:39.24 | MO_Handes | how to update the hardware clock with network?! |
| 08:40.39 | vlt | MO_Handes: ntpdate |
| 08:41.04 | MO_Handes | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
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| 08:41.28 | MO_Handes | I think it was something like hwclock but it is also not found :| |
| 08:41.31 | DarkStar1 | anyone know the lastest php version for squeeze? |
| 08:41.43 | DarkStar1 | boudiccas: thanks |
| 08:42.01 | DarkStar1 | I always forget these things since I only use it once a blue moon |
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| 08:43.28 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: hwclock is in /sbin, and is only used to get or set system clock from hardware clock or the other way round, nothing to do with network. |
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| 08:44.33 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: so you need an ntp service or ntpdate to set the system clock from the ntp network, and THEN set hw clock |
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| 08:45.02 | jelly-home | DarkStar1: /msg judd versions php5 |
| 08:45.31 | hR13 | Hi all, any one knows if its possible to install debian on the android 4.0 mini PC (MK802) and then use it as a mythtv frontend? |
| 08:45.57 | digdilem_ | hR13, there is an android myth-frontend anyway, if that's your only goal |
| 08:46.06 | DarkStar1 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 08:46.55 | hR13 | ahh, cool didnt know that thanks digdilem_ |
| 08:47.24 | digdilem_ | hR13, one mo, i have it on my phone, i'll check |
| 08:47.57 | digdilem_ | hR13, app is called mythfrontend and also requires "bsplayer lite". Both free. A little clunky, but fairly stable and does work. |
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| 08:50.41 | hR13 | thanks again I will check that out. the only thing i had found so far was MythDroid and that was not really what I wanted |
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| 08:55.15 | hR13 | digdilem_, I will try that thanks again for the info |
| 08:55.42 | hR13 | but it still would be great to install debian on it :-) |
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| 09:14.33 | samba35 | how do i check my kvm /ethernet bridge is working |
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| 09:21.47 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. I am trying to make bootable USB (for laptop without CD) using unetbootin ver 471-2 (debian squeeze) and xubuntu 12.04 ISO file... Seems like it fails... In boot loader for example, I see only "default" and "back" - not like screenshots here: http://www.computersnyou.com/2012/03/creating-ubuntu-1204-precise-pangolin.html |
| 09:22.11 | mmm4m5m | not sure how it works.. will try to find out but hints are welcome |
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| 09:29.32 | aminpy | I change my vps hostname, but when I reboot it, the previous hostname back again |
| 09:29.40 | aminpy | how can I change hostname permanently? |
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| 09:30.41 | jelly-home | aminpy: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 09:37.16 | pyshispythonbash | Can I just use CD1 to install a debian OS? |
| 09:37.27 | pyshispythonbash | what am I missing if I only install tbe first one? |
| 09:37.30 | pyshispythonbash | I only have one disk, see |
| 09:38.34 | gnarface | pyshispythonbash: yes, CD1 is sufficient. you are missing nothing because as long as you have a network connection you can still install the rest over the net. for this reason it is additionally recommended that you use a netinstall disk (smaller download) unless you have a flaky network connection or a hardware compatibility issue that precludes you from doing so |
| 09:39.09 | pyshispythonbash | ##]ahhh brilliant |
| 09:39.59 | jelly-home | flay or unsupported in the installer, like: wireless connection w/ WPA, or a need for extra firmware (= most wifi cards) |
| 09:40.03 | jelly-home | flaky* |
| 09:40.27 | gnarface | pyshispythonbash: additionally to this, as of squeeze, all the disks are iso-hybrid which means you can dd them onto a USB key and boot the installer from that instead.... so if your hardware can boot from USB don't waste your last CD |
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| 09:42.46 | pyshispythonbash | ahh ok |
| 09:42.58 | brokencycle | hi |
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| 09:43.26 | pyshispythonbash | fingers crossed it has my wireless driver |
| 09:43.35 | pyshispythonbash | Fedora doesn't ship with the driver I need |
| 09:43.41 | pyshispythonbash | ubuntu does |
| 09:44.13 | jelly-home | pyshispythonbash: default debian installer probably does not, then, but see |
| 09:44.16 | gnarface | pyshispythonbash: fyi WPA/WPA2 won't work from within the installer, so if you do install over wireless you'll need to use WEP or unencrypted |
| 09:44.20 | jelly-home | !kmuto |
| 09:44.21 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 09:44.54 | gnarface | personally avoids installing over wireless because it is far easier to setup afterwards |
| 09:45.27 | jelly-home | (in addition to a later kernel, that installer also has firmware and some sort of wpa support) |
| 09:46.03 | pyshispythonbash | i think I am going to just use CD1 not the netinstall then |
| 09:46.26 | pyshispythonbash | I have no access to the router configuration |
| 09:46.35 | pyshispythonbash | so I can't change it to WEP o |
| 09:47.00 | jelly-home | use a wired connection then |
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| 09:49.37 | pyshispythonbash | ok another n00b question ,sorry :P |
| 09:49.42 | pyshispythonbash | But what packages do I get? |
| 09:49.51 | pyshispythonbash | What are the essential ones? |
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| 09:50.10 | pyshispythonbash | does the net install ust provide you with a terminal like OS |
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| 09:50.15 | pyshispythonbash | no desktop environment? |
| 09:50.33 | pyshispythonbash | for example, would the min netinstall come with python |
| 09:50.35 | pyshispythonbash | or bash |
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| 09:50.41 | pyshispythonbash | etc |
| 09:51.38 | themill | the installers install whatever you ask them to install |
| 09:52.42 | pyshispythonbash | I am installing it in a Virtual machine first, bit excited |
| 09:52.42 | pyshispythonbash | :D |
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| 10:25.17 | evildmp | why do programs like ifconfig not appear to be on my path by default? I have to use /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:25.39 | themill | evildmp: stuff in /sbin is of little/no use to a non-admin user |
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| 10:26.37 | evildmp | themill: i see - since I *am* an admin user (the only user) can I change my account appropriately? |
| 10:26.56 | nkuttler | !tell evildmp about path |
| 10:27.06 | themill | root will already have /sbin:/usr/sbin in PATH |
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| 10:28.21 | evildmp | there's no such thing as a class of users who are admin users, is there (as in Mac OS X)? |
| 10:29.46 | nkuttler | evildmp: there's groups like root, sudo, adm etc |
| 10:30.05 | fnmueller | ... evildmp. If you want Mac OS X, just use that. Linux is different. And there is a reason for users not being root ;-) |
| 10:30.22 | sep | evildmp, users normaly use ip addr tho not ifconfig. since ifconfig have been depreciated in favor of ip for quite some time |
| 10:30.53 | nkuttler | or they use the network manager |
| 10:30.53 | evildmp | thanks sep, I ddn't know about ip addr |
| 10:32.16 | TuxFighter | Greetings, I am trying to build deb packages for the Mozilla Syn Server, but what wrong with that: http://alienghic.livejournal.com/433599.html |
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| 10:32.36 | evildmp | fnmueller: if I wanted to use Mac OS X I would. I want to use Linux. It isn't helpful to answer a request for information like that, it just puts people off |
| 10:33.04 | fnmueller | evildmp: ok |
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| 10:36.02 | evildmp | nkuttler: if a user is placed in a certain group, does that affect the user's PATH? |
| 10:37.57 | nkuttler | evildmp: no, not by default |
| 10:38.42 | dutchfish | evildmp, the PATH of a users homedir is stated in /etc/passwd it ha snothing to do to which group a user belongs |
| 10:39.26 | evildmp | is it just a matter of distribution policy that in Ubuntu an ordinary user has /sbin on the path, but in Debian not? |
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| 10:40.47 | g4mbit | hi there |
| 10:41.14 | csioktel | helo |
| 10:41.37 | dutchfish | evildmp, only root has sbin in its path a normal users houdl not |
| 10:41.49 | dutchfish | should not* |
| 10:41.52 | g4mbit | which command or combination can i use to output "who" without date and host? so just to get for example root pts/0 |
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| 10:42.46 | evildmp | thanks dutchfish |
| 10:43.24 | dutchfish | g4mbit, use who combined with cut see docs |
| 10:45.39 | dutchfish | g4mbit, somehting like who | cut -d" " -f 1 | i am sure there other solutions as well |
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| 10:46.59 | g4mbit | dutchfish i only get the users without "pts/0" after using your command |
| 10:47.18 | dutchfish | g4mbit, i leave that up to you as an exercise to find out why |
| 10:47.23 | g4mbit | ok ^^ |
| 10:47.49 | dutchfish | g4mbit, hint man cut |
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| 10:48.06 | g4mbit | aaah got it |
| 10:48.07 | g4mbit | who | cut -f 1,2 -d " " |
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| 10:53.29 | Shapeshifter | Hi. How can I make a template that will specify both the line format as well as a file path? I understand how I can do either one or the other but not both. I.e. for a line specification I could do $template mymessage,"%timegenerated% %msg%\n" and for a file I could do $template myfiles,"/var/log/mine-%syslogpriority%" but how do I combine the two? (#rsyslog is pretty much dead) |
| 10:53.54 | Shapeshifter | Uh, I'm talking about rsyslog templates. |
| 10:55.07 | TuxFighter | How can I build a debian package if I don´t have the tarball make-dpgk needs ? |
| 10:55.16 | TuxFighter | I just clone a respository via hg clone |
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| 10:57.40 | stew | TuxFighter: don't use make-dpkg, or make a tarball, or have a look at using mercurial-buildpackage |
| 10:58.34 | stew | TuxFighter: or just skip make-dpkg and make the files yourself |
| 10:58.49 | TuxFighter | yea but I really want a deb packages |
| 10:59.07 | stew | yeas, that's what i'm talking about |
| 10:59.56 | TuxFighter | k |
| 11:00.16 | TuxFighter | I will give it alook |
| 11:00.37 | stew | wait, i'm getting make-dpkg confused with dh_make |
| 11:01.20 | stew | TuxFighter: what is make-dpgk? |
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| 11:02.25 | evildmp | at http://www.xaero.org/index.php/archive/installing-handbrake-on-debian-gnulinux/ the advice is to add deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main to the sources.list in order to be able to install handbrake - but won't that affect lots of other things I update or install too in the future? |
| 11:03.38 | stew | evildmp: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 11:04.08 | stew | judd: versions handbrake-gtk |
| 11:04.10 | judd | Package: handbrake-gtk on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.6-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.6-dmo1 |
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| 11:04.49 | evildmp | stew: 6.0.5 |
| 11:05.02 | stew | evildmp: then that should say "squeeze" not "sid" |
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| 11:05.36 | evildmp | thanks stew |
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| 11:07.02 | evildmp | in any case: W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 11:07.10 | evildmp | should I worry about that? |
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| 11:08.05 | stew | evildmp: you might asa well get the public key and verify the signature |
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| 11:09.21 | evildmp | stew:I've never done that before - before I start searching for instructions, is there anywhere I should look first? |
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| 11:10.12 | stew | evildmp: does your gpg key sign another key so that you possibly have a trust path from your key (or some key that you ultimately trust) to marillat's key? |
| 11:10.25 | evildmp | stew: no |
| 11:11.01 | stew | then you can't really meaningfully verify it. so "aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring" and "aptitude update" |
| 11:11.22 | ansgar | stew: You can. If you trust the keys in the debian-keyring package to be valid. |
| 11:11.33 | stew | that's true |
| 11:11.34 | evildmp | the only thing I've done with keys is put this server's public key into my github account |
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| 11:14.18 | Goeland86 | hi, quick question - I'm setting up a chroot jail for users logging in through ssh, and I'd like for users to still be able to mount their encFS private folders - I have encfs, fuser and fusermount in the chroot already, but it's still not working. Any ideas? |
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| 11:21.48 | antithesis | is debain the master race? |
| 11:22.07 | Goeland86 | is stupidity the primary characteristic of humans/ |
| 11:22.08 | Goeland86 | ? |
| 11:22.11 | boudiccas | antithesis: whats 'debain'? |
| 11:22.23 | antithesis | debain gnu/linnucks :) |
| 11:22.50 | Goeland86 | has someone somehow tricked you into joining #debian instead of #debain? |
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| 11:31.09 | ManoftheSea | antithesis: sure, why not. |
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| 11:42.19 | colun | Hello, I search a software or script to launch 2 skype accounts. I use Debian Wheezy. Thanks. |
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| 11:44.53 | calrogman | colun: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html |
| 11:44.59 | calrogman | Get started. |
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| 11:49.13 | colun | calrogman: On windows, we can use the cmd : skype /secondary or on linux version, this command doesn't exist. I search a software or script to avoid a copy of /usr/bin/skype /usr/bin/skype2 |
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| 11:51.58 | sep | colun, just run skype nr 2 as a different user ? eg using sux or sudo so you get the gui in the same screen. |
| 11:53.24 | colun | sep: the only other user on my computer is root otherwise I can use a system account |
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| 11:53.53 | calrogman | colun: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Secondary-account-in-Skype-4-0/m-p/797128#M1665 |
| 11:53.54 | sep | colun, adduser colun2 |
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| 11:54.26 | colun | sep: yes, thanks and good day |
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| 11:54.41 | calrogman | ... Damn it. |
| 11:54.50 | calrogman | sep, you ruined it! |
| 11:55.24 | sep | MUAHAHAAHA !!!!! |
| 11:55.45 | calrogman | dpkg needs an !evilgenius |
| 11:55.45 | dpkg | calrogman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 11:55.51 | calrogman | shush you |
| 11:56.13 | sep | seriously.... each and every app should be run as it's own user to keep things neatly compartmentalized |
| 11:56.30 | calrogman | ...seriously? |
| 11:57.07 | calrogman | That's some OpenBSD level securinoia. |
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| 12:03.15 | evildmp | I have installed handbrake-cli using apt-get - how do I find out *where* it has put the binary for me to use? |
| 12:03.27 | evildmp | (the same goes for any other thing I install) |
| 12:03.35 | ansgar | evildmp: dpkg -L |
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| 12:04.30 | evildmp | thanks ansgar! |
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| 12:15.00 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I install python 2.7 from the source, but in the configure I added the wrong path, now it's installed already, how can I uninstall python 2.7? |
| 12:15.50 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: the one you built? |
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| 12:16.20 | Ephexeve | nkuttler: Yes |
| 12:16.25 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: #python |
| 12:16.25 | calrogman | make uninstall? |
| 12:16.33 | nkuttler | !tell Ephexeve about package recompile |
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| 12:16.45 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: and next time build a deb, see the bot msg |
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| 12:27.12 | Goeland86 | guys, I'm having trouble with un-mounting encFS folders in a chroot - the problem I keep getting is the error: "fusermount: failed to mark mounts private: Invalid argument" |
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| 12:27.24 | Goeland86 | does anyone have any idea how I can get this to work? |
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| 12:29.54 | davidgul | hi some one can help me i trying to install some driver for my wifi card i download tar.gz file extract it and when i try to type ./configure it saya no such file or direcroty |
| 12:30.06 | davidgul | directory * |
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| 12:32.34 | boudiccas | davidgul: cd into the directory and try again |
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| 12:36.36 | davidgul | this is the error i got bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
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| 12:42.01 | sevenfourk | davidgul: apparently, there's not such file, you're trying to invoke. |
| 12:43.02 | davidgul | ok so how can i install this driver this is the files i have inside autoconf_rtl8712_usb_linux.h eeprom ioctl os_intf wlan0dhcp clean efuse led pwrctrl wpa1.conf cmd hal Makefile recv xmit config ifcfg-wlan0 mlme rf crypto include mp runwpa debug io |
| 12:43.19 | sevenfourk | don't paste here, read the topic |
| 12:44.28 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 12:44.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 12:46.47 | jelly-home | davidgul: when a local script invocation like "./configure" fails with that error, it might be the filesystem that script is on is mounted with noexec option, or (less likely) the script interpreter mentioned in the first line of that file does not exist |
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| 13:20.52 | Odd_Bloke | Hello all. We need a version of a package from wheezy in our squeeze production environment. The binary package (unsurprisingly) won't install without upgrading most of the machine to wheezy. The packaging for that version depends on dh 9, which is not available in squeeze, so I am not able to backport the package. What can I do? |
| 13:20.54 | Guest95496 | is there a way to make iwconfig try to automatically reconnect when the wifi lan lose the signal ? |
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| 13:22.20 | Guest95496 | Odd_Bloke: you can look for the dh9 tarball and compile it from scretch. then (maybe) the other program will install |
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| 13:22.50 | thewanderer1 | !tell Odd_Bloke about ssb |
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| 13:23.29 | thewanderer1 | Odd_Bloke: maybe the dh is in backports, or you can backport dh first? |
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| 13:25.06 | Odd_Bloke | Ah, OK, my pinning was stopping the bpo dh being picked up by build-dep. |
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| 13:25.13 | Odd_Bloke | Installing manually and I'm unblocked. \o/ |
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| 13:31.51 | excalibr | when you do: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda3 bs=1M will this wipe out the entire part including its filesystem or it'll only zero fill the part? |
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| 13:33.54 | quebre | where can i set language in which messages are displayed ? |
| 13:34.04 | dvs | excalibr: That will zero out the entire partition |
| 13:34.49 | Zorro_bis | excalibr: it will wipe out the entire partition . but if you're using bs=1M i think it will write only 1MB for each write. this could mean that if the partition is not exactly in MB (for example 10GB + 350kB ) the last part (350KB) will not be zeroed |
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| 13:36.14 | Zorro_bis | quebre: try to install locale packages (something like "locale-LANG" where LANG is en, de, fr etc etc ) |
| 13:36.32 | excalibr | Zorro_bis: meaning the fs will be gone too? |
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| 13:37.08 | pparadis | quebre: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 13:37.15 | excalibr | doesn't understand how fs is laid on disk part |
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| 13:38.30 | Zorro_bis | excalibr: yes it will be gone. |
| 13:39.04 | Braindead | excalibr: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:40.17 | WinstonSmith | excalibr: zero-fill == wipe out FS |
| 13:40.40 | WinstonSmith | the whole of sda3 will consist of zeros |
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| 13:41.53 | Ephexeve | Guys.. What is the best way to install Python form the source? Since Squeeze has no python2.7... and if from the source, I get a few module errors and in which folder to install? |
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| 13:42.13 | dvs | ,v python |
| 13:42.14 | superstraw | excalibr: I do "cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda3" then reformat sda3 to what i want, dd works also though. |
| 13:42.14 | ompaul | ,versions python |
| 13:42.15 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; sid: 2.7.3~rc2-1; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1 |
| 13:42.35 | ompaul | dvs: that's cheating knowing it only takes one letter :P |
| 13:42.48 | dvs | muhahah! |
| 13:42.56 | ompaul | !tell Ephexeve about bpo |
| 13:43.23 | ompaul | Ephexeve: check the message from dpkg |
| 13:43.39 | ompaul | drops a carrot on dvs's head |
| 13:43.52 | dvs | ow |
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| 13:48.37 | Chelsea | Would it be possible to have multiple os'es (like multiboot) in a PXE environment? |
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| 13:49.15 | excalibr | Braindead: just curious. i saw folks recommending dd for doing part cloning job and also wiping out part/disk..how the former works? |
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| 13:50.00 | ansgar | Chelsea: Did you take a look at pxelinux? |
| 13:50.14 | Ephexeve | ompaul: I checked it, but there is no Python 2.7 |
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| 13:51.48 | Ephexeve | Any one knows? |
| 13:52.03 | pparadis | Ephexeve: hang on |
| 13:52.18 | Ephexeve | pparadis: Ok, cheers |
| 13:52.21 | excalibr | what happens if you dd a ext3 part to ext4 part? |
| 13:52.54 | Chelsea | Just did ;) But I still can't find if it's possile to do a multiboot. |
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| 13:53.07 | dvs | excalibr: you get another ext3 partition |
| 13:53.08 | AlexSkolnick | hi ! |
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| 13:55.02 | pparadis | Ephexeve: this came up a while back for someone else. i recall the following resources being found, but be warned that this may not be a good idea, maybe break other things on your system, etc. --> http://www.stylesen.org/python_27_debian_squeeze_60 |
| 13:55.08 | pparadis | and --> https://gist.github.com/1069219 |
| 13:55.09 | WinstonSmith | Chelsea: multiboot of various *nix or other OS? |
| 13:55.16 | Mkaysi | Hi, I tink that I have found an issue with X. |
| 13:55.46 | Mkaysi | I ran mplayer video.flv on my user over SSH and video opened on X which was controlled by another user |
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| 13:56.02 | Mkaysi | Is this expected behaviour or should I report a bug somewhere? |
| 13:56.40 | pparadis | Ephexeve: if you absolutely need 2.7, you may wish to consider running wheezy instead, with the understanding that it is the testing release and everything that goes with that. |
| 13:56.40 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: you will not be able to play video files over a ssh'ed X |
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| 13:56.54 | Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: But I did that |
| 13:57.06 | Mkaysi | And the video is playing correctly in another room |
| 13:57.28 | Mkaysi | is sure that this shouldn't be possible |
| 13:57.31 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: i mean because of compression/lag/encryption, so that it will be choppy |
| 13:57.49 | Chelsea | WinstonSmith, preferrably *nixes. |
| 13:57.56 | Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: I meant that the video is playing on computer where I opened it over SSH |
| 13:58.19 | Ephexeve | pparadis: I see, do you say testing is also stable? I need something stable to work on 24 hours |
| 13:58.27 | pparadis | Ephexeve: no, testing is not stable. |
| 13:58.30 | Ephexeve | pparadis: the computer is on 24 hours, and we need to work |
| 13:58.30 | Mkaysi | I am user mkaysi, I ssh to computer and open video. User tommi is on computer locally using X and the video opens as him. |
| 13:58.37 | Ephexeve | pparadis: damn....... |
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| 13:58.53 | pparadis | !tell Ephexeve about testing |
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| 14:01.27 | pparadis | Ephexeve: you do have the option of compiling python yourself as well. there's probably not a better option in this case, since i really don't recommend installing packages from wheezy on squeeze. |
| 14:01.36 | WinstonSmith | Chelsea: i have a PXE server where i can choose to boot various install images or a diskless workstation. i followed http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server_p2 and http://www.serenux.com/2011/04/howto-create-a-diskless-workstation-that-boots-from-pxe-using-ubuntu/ mostly |
| 14:02.09 | Ephexeve | pparadis: https://gist.github.com/1069219 I foudn this, do you recomend? |
| 14:02.11 | Chelsea | WinstonSmith, Thanks! |
| 14:02.41 | Ephexeve | pparadis: *found recommend |
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| 14:02.47 | WinstonSmith | Chelsea: it will take some time, but once you got the hang of it it's easily expandable |
| 14:02.59 | pparadis | Ephexeve: i'd advise you to test that on a non-critical system first. that's actually the second link i gave you earlier. |
| 14:03.03 | Chelsea | Mkaysi, how did you ssh in your remote machine? (which flags) |
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| 14:03.28 | Mkaysi | Chelsea: ssh <ip> -p 5797 |
| 14:03.33 | Chelsea | WinstonSmith, Nice. |
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| 14:05.45 | Chelsea | Mkaysi, I think you should at least have -X for X-forwarding (make sure it's enabled by sshconfig file). I had some rights issues, -XY solved it for me. Streaming video over lan works for me without noticable lagging. |
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| 14:06.02 | crane_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.09 | crane_work | i tried it with these steps |
| 14:06.16 | crane_work | echo 201 tap0.out >> /etc/iproute2/rt_table |
| 14:06.17 | crane_work | iptables -A INPUT -i tap0 -j CONNMARK --set-mark 1194 |
| 14:06.17 | crane_work | ip rule add fwmark 1194 table tap0.out |
| 14:06.17 | crane_work | ip route add default via 10.8.0.2 dev tap0 table tap0.out |
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| 14:06.22 | Mkaysi | Chelsea: That is different issue |
| 14:06.26 | pparadis | saw that coming |
| 14:06.38 | Mkaysi | Chelsea: I am playing video in X of another user |
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| 14:06.56 | crane_work | upsi ^^ |
| 14:07.00 | crane_work | i'm sorry :) |
| 14:07.13 | crane_work | okay one more time ;) |
| 14:07.24 | crane_work | i have already done these steps: |
| 14:07.30 | pparadis | Mkaysi: what "other user" are you referring to? are you saying you are accessing a file on the remote machine that is owned by another user? if so, what are the permissions on that file? |
| 14:07.46 | crane_work | http://pastebin.de/27617 |
| 14:07.48 | karlpinc | crane_work: I can't say. FWIW, while there's no substitute for knowing iptables I prefer working with some syntatic sugar like ferm. |
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| 14:08.44 | Mkaysi | pparadis: User mkaysi logins over SSH. 2. User tommi is already logged in graphically and has X session. 3. User mkaysi runs mplayer2 video.flv 4. That video opens on X of user tommi |
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| 14:09.47 | micols | ksk: /bin/login replace |
| 14:09.59 | karlpinc | Mkaysi: That's bizzare. I don't suppose mkaysi and tommi have the same uid? |
| 14:10.02 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: tried "ssh -X" ? |
| 14:10.05 | micols | hm i wonder why my irssi keeps scrolling up |
| 14:10.29 | ksk | micols: wtf? |
| 14:10.47 | ompaul | Ephexeve: why is 2.7 needed more than 2.6 |
| 14:10.50 | Mkaysi | karlpinc: mkaysi is 1000, tommi is 1002 |
| 14:11.04 | Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: That is different |
| 14:11.12 | stew | Mkaysi: something must be erroneously setting the DISPLAY environment variable in mkaysi's environment |
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| 14:11.23 | stew | Mkaysi: can you verify that? |
| 14:11.32 | Ephexeve | ompaul: in the company i wokr they use 2.7 |
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| 14:11.36 | Mkaysi | % echo $DISPLAY |
| 14:11.40 | Mkaysi | no output |
| 14:11.42 | Ephexeve | there are few difference |
| 14:11.49 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: well -X is the flag you have to use if you want to run a X program and have it displayed on your local box |
| 14:12.11 | micols | ksk: /bin/login is executed after you type in your stuff in your tty, but before that i think it might be init showing the login prompt but not sure, think init hands over the stuff to /bin/login |
| 14:12.11 | ompaul | Ephexeve: and what are they using atm for servers? |
| 14:12.12 | Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: I am not trying to do that, but the X program appears on X of another user on remote computer |
| 14:12.28 | Mkaysi | reboots that computer now, because of kernel upgrade and tests does this happen after reboot |
| 14:12.36 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: but you opened an X program in your ssh session? |
| 14:12.58 | Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: mplayer2 |
| 14:13.08 | Ephexeve | ompaul: The os? Fedora if I am right (I will start next week for the first time) not sure. I will need to reprogram the server core.. |
| 14:13.21 | stew | Mkaysi: is mplayer possibly an alias which includes the -display command line argument? |
| 14:13.26 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: well if you want the mplayer to show up on your local bos you need ssh -X |
| 14:13.38 | WinstonSmith | erm s/bos/box/ |
| 14:13.42 | Mkaysi | stew: I don't see such alias |
| 14:13.51 | ompaul | Ephexeve: more logically it shouldn't matter what you use for your desktop, what is used for dev should accept and test the run, and then it gets staged for production - anything else is ... not a great idea |
| 14:14.06 | Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: Is it normal that user mkaysi gets power to open programs on X of user salainen? |
| 14:14.22 | Mkaysi | s/salainen/tommi/ |
| 14:14.27 | stew | Mkaysi: no, he must have a magic cookie or access to ~otheruser/.Xauthority |
| 14:14.30 | Mkaysi | started confusing users and IRC nicks. |
| 14:14.44 | Mkaysi | I don't have either |
| 14:14.57 | stew | Mkaysi: did you actually check that with xauth? |
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| 14:15.03 | WinstonSmith | Mkaysi: if you don't have -X, there is no $DISPLAY set for you. and i suppose mplayer by default then goes to :0:0 |
| 14:15.04 | pparadis | that ^ |
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| 14:15.20 | Mkaysi | I didn't and that computer is being rebooted |
| 14:15.35 | stew | Mkaysi: what did you mean by "I don't have either"? |
| 14:15.36 | Mkaysi | % xauth |
| 14:15.38 | Mkaysi | xauth: file /home/mkaysi/.Xauthority does not exist |
| 14:15.40 | Mkaysi | Using authority file /home/mkaysi/.Xauthority |
| 14:15.53 | pparadis | Mkaysi: can your user see files in the other user's home directory? |
| 14:15.56 | Mkaysi | stew: magic cookie nor access to /home/tommi/.XAuthority |
| 14:16.20 | stew | Mkaysi: then tommi must have done something nasty like use xhost |
| 14:16.24 | Mkaysi | pparadis: permission denied |
| 14:16.42 | aminpy | how can I port forward in debian (tcp 8303)? |
| 14:16.50 | Mkaysi | stew: user tommi's abilities with computer are pretty limited to booting it, so I don't think that that is possible |
| 14:16.53 | pparadis | micols: see iptables |
| 14:16.57 | aminpy | can anybody help me? |
| 14:16.59 | pparadis | aminpy: rather |
| 14:17.05 | pparadis | aminpy: see iptables |
| 14:17.46 | aminpy | pparadis, is there package for that? like system-config-firewall-tui in fedora? |
| 14:17.56 | nyuszika7h | 16:12:12 Mkaysi | WinstonSmith: I am not trying to do that, but the X program appears on X of another user on remote computer || I had the same issue too, but I never managed to fix it |
| 14:18.16 | pparadis | aminpy: you are strongly advised to read the man page for iptables and learn how it works, and not attempt to use a frontend. |
| 14:18.35 | pparadis | aminpy: there are a lot of examples on the net that show how to do what you're doing. |
| 14:19.01 | aminpy | pparadis, I'm new in linux, I read iptables but I didn't understand exactly :( |
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| 14:20.03 | pparadis | aminpy: it's not something you can just read in a couple of minutes and understand how to use. there are, however, many examples of doing port forwarding with iptables available via google. |
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| 14:22.08 | pparadis | aminpy: for example -> http://linux.ardynet.com/ipmasq/ipmasq.php3 || http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/06/iptables-rules-examples/ || http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-port-redirection-with-iptables/ |
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| 14:23.34 | karlpinc | aminpy: There's really no substitute for understanding what you're doing. If you don't get networking the old but still sound in principal linux networking guide at tldp.org is good. Or go straight to the rfcs, although there's usually more detail there than you really want. |
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| 14:24.01 | pparadis | karlpinc++ |
| 14:25.25 | karlpinc | aminpy: I like ferm as a front-end, but it's just synatic sugar, it's all iptables underneath and unless you understand what iptables is doing a front-end won't help debug anything. (Although it can make your rules a lot easier to maintain, IMO.) |
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| 14:27.07 | gean | good morning everyone |
| 14:27.26 | dvs | zzzzzzzz |
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| 14:27.36 | aminpy | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 8080 -i $IFACE -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.2:80 |
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| 14:28.06 | gean | My notebook with wheezy when going out of suspension mode, starts again, like if has been turned-off |
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| 14:28.17 | aminpy | pparadis, I must replace 8080 with 8303 and I dont know I must replace 192.168.1.2:8 with ..? |
| 14:28.36 | gean | someone had this kind of problem and can help-me with? |
| 14:28.53 | pparadis | aminpy: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/networking-concepts-HOWTO.html |
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| 14:29.58 | aminpy | pparadis, I will read that, but cant you help me to use a command for my problem right now? |
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| 14:30.26 | pparadis | aminpy: if you don't understand how IP addressing works right now on your LAN, you really need to learn about that first. |
| 14:31.20 | pparadis | aminpy: without that basic understanding, nothing is going to be able to help you aside from someone literally writing the iptables rules for you. |
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| 14:32.18 | aminpy | pparadis, ok thanks |
| 14:33.22 | Iridos | gean, check the bts for "has anyone experienced that"... this was pm-hibernate? |
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| 14:35.54 | gean | Iridos: I will, yes, it have pm-hibernate, and hibernate works |
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| 14:36.28 | Iridos | so what didn't work? |
| 14:36.48 | gean | Iridos: suspension on the gnome3 menu fails |
| 14:37.20 | gean | Iridos: or the suspension of the lid-close |
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| 14:38.11 | Iridos | suspend? I thought you said hibernate just does a regular boot |
| 14:38.43 | Iridos | and I thought gnome also finally uses pm-hibernate/pm-suspend |
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| 14:42.11 | gean | Iridos: pm-hibernate works well, resume well. Gnome suspend to ram feature goes wrong, on the resume, the sistem starts like it was turned off |
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| 14:42.37 | aminpy | pparadis, your link is awsome |
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| 14:44.48 | lebron | Hi. I need help, there is no sound on my Debain Squeeze. aplay -l http://pastebin.com/ARayQXSJ alsamixer http://s17.postimage.org/z2z5r9ejj/Screenshot.png |
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| 14:46.26 | gean | I tried the pm-susped and it don't work |
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| 14:47.35 | sney | lebron: hit f6 in alsamixer, see if you can choose one of the VT1708 outputs... unless you really are using hdmi for your sound out |
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| 14:47.47 | gean | Iridos: Sorry, I tried the pm-suspend and my system starts again |
| 14:47.59 | gean | so I think I miss your last messeges |
| 14:48.20 | gean | Iridos: so I think I miss your last messeges |
| 14:48.28 | Iridos | I didn't say nuffin |
| 14:48.46 | Iridos | so pm-suspend leads to a crash as well... then you can look for bugs in that |
| 14:49.14 | lebron | sney: http://postimage.org/image/blp22abzt/ Don't have that option. |
| 14:49.50 | gean | Iridos: I dont find on bts the session you mentioned, 'has anyone experienced that', |
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| 14:49.58 | sney | lebron: does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? |
| 14:50.10 | gean | Iridos: I have not much experience on the debian BTS |
| 14:50.50 | lebron | sney: Nope |
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| 14:52.53 | Iridos | I meant if anyone experienced it, they'll (hopefully) have written a bug report |
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| 14:54.16 | gean | Iridos: Thank you, I you learn about BTS, search for the bug. Have a good day. |
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| 15:03.09 | fuzzdark | hi, i need someone's help getting back my default session manager and desktop after an otherwise successful aptitude upgrade from mepis 8.5 to 11.0 |
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| 15:04.47 | gean | fuzzdark: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 15:05.53 | gean | fuzzdark: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 15:06.30 | fuzzdark | gean: is that command for console (su)? |
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| 15:07.33 | gean | fuzzdark: yes, run as root, or with the sudo |
| 15:07.53 | fuzzdark | sweet! thanks, gean! |
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| 15:14.32 | hydester | i've read about this online, but it is difficult to find the simplest answer to this... if i am running amd64 debian but want to run openjdk 7 i386, i see that chroot is one option. i've used ubuntu which allows installing i386 packages like ... apt-get install openjdk-7-jre:i386. is this not supported on debian? |
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| 15:15.49 | themill | hydester: I'm pretty sure openjdk-7 is multiarch'd in debian too. |
| 15:16.31 | hydester | themill: i am trying to run the i386 package on an amd64 install without chroot. that what you mean? |
| 15:16.38 | tank-man | try the search terms like "debian multilib", i got this site http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/ |
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| 15:17.09 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 15:18.16 | hydester | thanks tank-man and themill. i am trying to get my VPN software working on amd64. always frustrating :( |
| 15:18.22 | j0lly | Hi may i need some specific hardware to connect to a isp via pppoe? mean with a pc, no modem |
| 15:18.35 | j0lly | maybe a modem card ot just a ethernet card? |
| 15:20.17 | karlpinc | j0lly: Just a regular ethernet card. |
| 15:20.36 | j0lly | i mean, can i connect with my linux box without a modem on a pppoe connection... the cable tha now come from wall is an ethernet cable so, i need some sort of hardware or justa ethernet card? |
| 15:20.39 | j0lly | wow |
| 15:20.40 | j0lly | thx |
| 15:20.42 | j0lly | :) |
| 15:20.58 | j0lly | so wvdial could do the job... maybe |
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| 15:21.31 | karlpinc | j0lly: Or you could read the reference manual. Or the wiki. There's no doubt some info. |
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| 15:21.53 | cjdavies | quick question - does stable debian support running from a modern EFI motherboard? |
| 15:21.53 | ompaul | it may depend on what your supplier expects to find at the end of the ethernet |
| 15:21.59 | j0lly | which manual? pppoe? |
| 15:22.14 | cjdavies | I'm using EFI machines successfully with Arch Linux but am setting up a server now which I want to use Debian on |
| 15:22.40 | ompaul | cjdavies: you have two choices, one is to try debian straight or try kmuto |
| 15:22.50 | ompaul | !tell cjdavies about kmuto |
| 15:23.01 | ompaul | cjdavies: read the message from the bot |
| 15:23.11 | karlpinc | Any recommdations for a dd progress bar? dbar? |
| 15:23.32 | stew | karlpinc: send it SIGUSR1 |
| 15:23.41 | stew | karlpinc: or use pv |
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| 15:24.05 | karlpinc | stew: pv was what I was looking for. Thanks. |
| 15:24.13 | stew | karlpinc: did you try SIGUSR1? |
| 15:24.55 | cjdavies | ompaul: so does EFI booting require a kernel >= 3.2 or something? |
| 15:25.09 | karlpinc | stew: I want something so if the box crashes I've a record. (I guess I could use watch w. sigusr1 |
| 15:25.16 | ompaul | cjdavies: I used kmuto on a box in work to make it so |
| 15:25.51 | karlpinc | cjdavies: If it's got efi it's probably newish, so a newer kernel wouldn't hurt. Dunno about what's required. |
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| 15:29.02 | alex78 | ciao |
| 15:29.14 | alex78 | !list |
| 15:29.14 | dpkg | alex78: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 15:30.59 | j0lly | somebody can please point me to a reference manual for pppoe connection from a linux box and a isp? |
| 15:31.32 | tharkun | j0lly: google "pppoe connection from a linux box and a isp" |
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| 15:32.10 | pparadis | http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE/ |
| 15:32.10 | jack_thompson | debian/unstable: since a 1-2 months mousewheel stops working when moving the mouse in some games... downgrading xserver-xorg-input-mouse fixes it |
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| 15:33.18 | j0lly | the first http://www.akadia.com/services/pppoe_iptables.html looks like i can't without a modem right? or i missunderstud? srry 4 english |
| 15:33.30 | j0lly | 11° in google :) |
| 15:33.32 | j0lly | 1° |
| 15:33.37 | pparadis | j0lly: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE/ |
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| 15:34.59 | j0lly | "PPPoE, Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet, is a network protocol for encapsulating Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) frames inside Ethernet frames. It is used mainly with ADSL services where individual users connect to the ADSL transceiver (modem) over Ethernet and in plain Metro Ethernet networks." |
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| 15:35.09 | j0lly | looks like i need a modem so o.O |
| 15:35.19 | pparadis | j0lly: "and in plain Metro Ethernet networks" |
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| 15:35.51 | pparadis | j0lly: you should probably get more information from your ISP before proceeding. |
| 15:36.03 | tharkun | j0lly: you need an ADSl on bridge mode or some kind of hardware to convert from ethernet to your isp media |
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| 15:36.34 | tharkun | ppoe will handle all there is to the software part of the connection |
| 15:36.39 | tharkun | pparadis: good morning |
| 15:36.39 | teratorn | pppoe is so dumb |
| 15:36.57 | tharkun | Is it a good idea to have a local gpg key server? |
| 15:36.57 | pparadis | tharkun: he's got CAT-5 coming from the wall already, so i'm suspecting he can do it in software... unless of course that CAT-5 doesn't actually go anywhere ;) |
| 15:37.03 | teratorn | reminds me of an isp i had once |
| 15:37.04 | pparadis | tharkun: good morning! |
| 15:37.30 | teratorn | when you logged in to their unix, you had to put a capital "P" in front of your username, then it would initiate PPP on the serial line |
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| 15:38.37 | j0lly | mmh so, tonight i gonna try with the isp credentials.... just with pppoe right |
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| 15:39.04 | tharkun | thinks of a few lines of sarcasm but refrains on the last second |
| 15:39.16 | pparadis | j0lly: sure, and if that doesn't work, you might want to contact your ISP's technical support people and ask for more information. |
| 15:39.28 | pparadis | tharkun: :)( |
| 15:39.30 | pparadis | :) even |
| 15:39.41 | j0lly | yep thanks for the infoes :) |
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| 15:41.07 | jack_thompson | i am sorry... but that mousewheel vs. mouse-movement bug is really annoying... |
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| 15:41.39 | pparadis | jack_thompson: the mailing lists would be a better place to discuss that, as opposed to flooding an IRC channel. |
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| 15:42.15 | jack_thompson | flooding gets noticed.. mailing lists are just a huge /dev/null... but i wont flood anymore... |
| 15:42.32 | pparadis | jack_thompson: flooding gets people pissed and makes them incredibly unlikely to ever help you. |
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| 15:42.37 | jack_thompson | because others will have the same problem |
| 15:42.55 | jack_thompson | they will help others when they have the same problem.. and therefore help me.. |
| 15:42.58 | jack_thompson | same result |
| 15:43.12 | jack_thompson | i am just first reporting it :) |
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| 15:44.31 | tharkun | jack_thompson: ok so you unplugged your mouse, nice now get a sledge hammer and hit it until it stops moving by itself :-) |
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| 15:45.20 | jack_thompson | no i downgraded to the xservers-xorg-input-mouse package from stable... |
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| 15:45.35 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 15:45.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 15:45.37 | jack_thompson | i just wait until others have the same problem |
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| 15:46.03 | themill | report a bug to the bts; irc is not a bug tracker |
| 15:46.07 | tharkun | jack_thompson: file a bug report on the package you suspect has the problem with the right version |
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| 15:46.32 | jack_thompson | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.40 | jack_thompson | *package maintainer |
| 15:47.31 | tharkun | jack_thompson: ... People have lives and they will not be waiting for you to send them a piece of information. Please be patient and understand that many people are volounteers |
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| 15:47.46 | tharkun | and bts is the place to go |
| 15:47.53 | tharkun | !tell jack_thompson bts |
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| 15:48.06 | tharkun | !tell jack_thompson about bts |
| 15:48.16 | jack_thompson | i know.. i know... i send the email to the package maintainer weeks ago... and the subject was clear enough.. |
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| 15:48.31 | jack_thompson | tharkun, thx |
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| 15:48.46 | ZitZ | anyone have experience trying to mount ntfs-3g automatically as a normal user |
| 15:49.33 | tharkun | ZitZ: It used to work flawlessly on lenny IIRC |
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| 15:49.52 | ZitZ | yeah, you are right it did work flawlessly then |
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| 15:50.11 | ZitZ | but they decided that being able to mount without being root for fuse filesystems was somehow insecure so made it not work by default |
| 15:50.28 | ZitZ | which is the silliest thing i have ever heard because i can mount my iphone with fuse no problem! |
| 15:51.18 | jack_thompson | that broken xserver-xorg-input-mouse package seem to have made it already into testing... when it makes it to stable where the people,who procastrinate playing games, are.. the bug will be found anyways.. but i'll report it in that dts thing again... thx |
| 15:51.22 | pparadis | ZitZ: think about systems with multiple users. |
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| 15:52.25 | ZitZ | ppardis: even so, everyone thinks "just use fstab" which is so silly, it's not automatic, it should be automatic in 2012! no questions asked, i can break anyone's fstab configuration by plugging in multiple usb flash drives |
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| 15:53.20 | ZitZ | i actually don't mind mounting from the terminal too much, but i'm actually setting up a gnome3 computer for my mom, lol, so i'd like it to "just work" |
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| 15:55.35 | ZitZ | one of my biggest pet peeves is that linux still doesn't have reliable easy auto mounting, many probably don't know that you aren't even supposed to use udev anymore, you're supposed to use udisks |
| 15:55.40 | pparadis | ZitZ: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 15:55.58 | ZitZ | because we've changed it so many times, just last year i was using hal |
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| 15:56.16 | ZitZ | yeah, i read that site a million times, unfortunately i think i tried two different things and they are somehow conflicting |
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| 15:59.23 | craigevil | any flash drive i plugin on kde automounts, can't remember the last time something didn't automount |
| 15:59.37 | themill | craigevil: sarge |
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| 16:00.27 | craigevil | themill, sounds about right |
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| 16:01.52 | ZitZ | you're flash drives are almost most certainly not ntfs, more than likely you have them formatted as fat32 |
| 16:02.07 | themill | itym extX |
| 16:02.27 | pparadis | was gonna say :) |
| 16:02.39 | themill | But you're correct, I certainly wouldn't have ntfs formatted flash drives. |
| 16:02.42 | craigevil | havent had anything that was ntfs since i formatted my HD and installed Debian in 2004 |
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| 16:03.20 | pparadis | is trying to remember the last ntfs partition around here... man, it's been at least 5 years. |
| 16:04.05 | ZitZ | unfortunately, my mom has one, and i have one that i have kept around, i decided it didn't matter because I jumped onto the ntfs-3g band wagon early, and it worked so well, i figured keep the drive as ntfs-3g because it worked well on all platforms, even mac! |
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| 16:05.14 | ZitZ | and for an external usb 2.0 hard drive, you really aren't going to run into any performance issues with ntfs-3g on linux either that would matter |
| 16:05.51 | stew | i find ext3 works well on all the platforms I encounter. but that is a limited set :) |
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| 16:07.25 | ZitZ | i had a drive overheat and die when using an ext driver on windows about 5 years ago. :( that is part of the reason i've kept the ntfs |
| 16:07.38 | ZitZ | might not have been the driver's fault though :P |
| 16:07.39 | Odd_Bloke | Hello all. Following from my earlier issue, I've managed to get to a point where I can build the packages. Unfortunately, the build fails when it gets to dh_install: daniel.daniel-watkins.co.uk/dpkg.log Can anyone give me pointers on what I could do now? |
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| 16:10.33 | themill | Odd_Bloke: you need to un-multi-arch the install path for the library as your compiler isn't putting it where dh_install is being told to look for it. Look in debian/*install and remove the wildcard in the path for that library and that should solve that... there may be other multiarch changes made too, however |
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| 16:12.31 | Odd_Bloke | Grr. Was hoping not to have to modify the packaging. |
| 16:12.34 | Odd_Bloke | themill: Thanks. :) |
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| 16:13.25 | Odd_Bloke | themill: To clarify, which glob should I remove: usr/lib/*/libct.so.4* |
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| 16:15.06 | themill | the first one -- the toolchain in squeeze sticks things in /usr/lib while wheezy will use /usr/lib/$triplet (where $triplet is something like i386-linux-gnu) |
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| 16:24.14 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1: you happen to remeber whats the syntax for connecting a virtual machine to a device created with bridge-utlis like "br0" when executing machine from commandline? or anyone else know? :) |
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| 16:24.51 | omid8bimo | hello, i have a weird issue! i dont know what i changed or installed but my laptop's USB input/sout speed just got very slow (under 1MB per second)! can someone help? |
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| 16:25.53 | omid8bimo | i know its not hardware issue because i have winodws as dual boot OS and its working normal in that! so it must be something in my debian. |
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| 16:26.55 | karlpinc | omid8bimo: You could start by telling us how you know it's slow. |
| 16:27.00 | lapsusbrutus | -net bridge,ifname=br2,script=no: Parameter 'type' expects a network client type Thats the error I get.. |
| 16:27.18 | karlpinc | omid8bimo: What are you doing? What happens? What did you expect? etc. etc. |
| 16:27.37 | karlpinc | omid8bimo: What version of debian? |
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| 16:27.51 | omid8bimo | karlpinc: i use this tool called dstat, it shows the usb memory connected writing at 300KB per second. |
| 16:28.08 | omid8bimo | debian testing branch. |
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| 16:30.00 | ompaul | omid8bimo: what files were you copying? |
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| 16:30.18 | Caelum | my wireless card refuses to associate with my router |
| 16:30.26 | Psychon4ut | How can I build a deb from a repository cloned by hd |
| 16:30.28 | Psychon4ut | hg |
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| 16:31.08 | omid8bimo | ompaul: mp3, movie, documents! doesnt matter actually. on any data, the write speed on any usb device i connect is damn slow. |
| 16:31.12 | Psychon4ut | http://alienghic.livejournal.com/433599.html I tried this but its impossible to follow |
| 16:31.29 | ompaul | omid8bimo: put this file on it http://debian.heanet.ie/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:31.35 | Caelum | Psychon4ut: debian/rules binary |
| 16:31.36 | omid8bimo | yesterday it took 2 hours to copy a clip on external HDD |
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| 16:32.12 | omid8bimo | * correction: it took 2 hours to copy a 200MB file... |
| 16:32.13 | ompaul | omid8bimo: apt-get install lshw and paste the output thanks |
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| 16:32.44 | ompaul | omid8bimo: and the only pastes I like are paste.debian.net |
| 16:32.51 | omid8bimo | ompaul: lshw is installed already |
| 16:33.02 | ompaul | then I guess you can figure out part 2 |
| 16:33.27 | omid8bimo | on it |
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| 16:33.42 | ompaul | done already would have been a better answer :) |
| 16:33.59 | lcc | I accidentally deleted my .bashrc what is the best way to generate a new one? |
| 16:34.18 | boudiccas | lcc: restore from backup |
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| 16:34.30 | lcc | boudiccas: I have no backup |
| 16:34.47 | ompaul | lcc: create a new user and cp their one into play |
| 16:34.48 | omid8bimo | http://paste.debian.net/176944/ |
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| 16:35.10 | pparadis | lcc: also, start making backups. |
| 16:35.29 | sevenfourk | lcc: I would recommend to use some remote repo for your configs, this really helps sometimes. |
| 16:35.43 | gnarface | lcc: if it was not customized there should be a copy of it in /etc/skel |
| 16:36.30 | gnarface | seriously you guys? fucking .bashrc is copied from /etc/skel when your user is created. fucking "create a new user and copy it from there" serious? you should be ashamed. |
| 16:36.37 | ZitZ | okay i have an embarassing n00b question, i have a source i downloaded with apt-get source, and i have a .diff for said source, how do i properly apply that patch to the source? |
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| 16:36.54 | lcc | http://serverfault.com/questions/304022/how-do-i-reset-default-bashrc-debian-wheezy |
| 16:36.58 | lcc | thnx |
| 16:37.53 | ompaul | omid8bimo: not what I expected please pastebin lsusb |
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| 16:38.01 | ompaul | omid8bimo: really now what I expects |
| 16:38.07 | ompaul | iis something a bit different |
| 16:38.17 | stew | ZitZ: run "patch --dry-run -p1 < the.patch" you might have to adjust -p1 to -p0, if it applies cleanly, you can take off --dry-run to actually patch |
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| 16:38.37 | ZitZ | thanks stew, i'll try that |
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| 16:38.56 | ZitZ | does it matter if it is .diff and not .patch? no right, it's just text? |
| 16:39.16 | stew | the name of the file doesn't matter at all |
| 16:39.17 | karlpinc | ZitZ: patch does not care. |
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| 16:39.59 | stew | ZitZ: but patches you apply with patch are generated by diff, so either name is common |
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| 16:42.13 | Odd_Bloke | Right, now I'm seeing "dh_makeshlibs: dpkg-gensymbols -plibsybdb5 -Idebian/libsybdb5.symbols -Pdebian/libsybdb5 -edebian/libsybdb5/usr/lib/libsybdb.so.5.0.0" returning exit code 1. |
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| 16:42.51 | omid8bimo | ompaul: what do u mean |
| 16:42.51 | omid8bimo | ? |
| 16:43.23 | omid8bimo | ompaul: this is lsusb http://paste.debian.net/176945/ |
| 16:44.14 | ompaul | omid8bimo: look at the part after Linux Foundation it tells you what kind of usb ports you have |
| 16:44.40 | ompaul | omid8bimo: so I wonder if you are in a usb 2 port for starters |
| 16:45.17 | ompaul | omid8bimo: secondly get a stick that is fairly new (or known to be type 2) and put a big file on it, writing to usb is slow |
| 16:45.27 | ompaul | omid8bimo: reading should be an awful lot faster |
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| 16:46.22 | echo083 | hello, the http://backports-master.debian.org/debian-backports/ is down ? i can't access it ? |
| 16:46.43 | omid8bimo | ompaul: im sure my laptop has usb 2 if that's what u mean. it was until a few days ago! suddenly become like usb 1 output |
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| 16:47.04 | pparadis | echo083: http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 16:47.04 | ompaul | omid8bimo: you have 2x usb2 ports the rest are 1.1 |
| 16:47.30 | echo083 | pparadis, the same i can't access http://backports-master.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 16:47.34 | stew | echo083: do you mean http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ ? |
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| 16:47.42 | jack_thompson | the things the reportbug tool asks me are stupid... no end user will ever use that stupid tool called reportbug.. so i just wait until that bug hits stable and gets fixed then... bye |
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| 16:48.04 | beardy | !customer |
| 16:48.05 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 16:48.11 | echo083 | stew, i'm redirect to backports-master when i browse to http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ |
| 16:48.27 | stew | echo083: i'm not |
| 16:48.33 | pparadis | i'm not either. |
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| 16:48.54 | echo083 | stew, that's weird it works again :) no worries thanks |
| 16:48.56 | pjc_ | works fine, index listing |
| 16:49.06 | ompaul | nor I - whatever could be happening there (bone crushing irony sound to accompany that comment) ;-) |
| 16:49.06 | echo083 | stew, and i'm not redirected anymore |
| 16:49.18 | henry__ | I'm trying to make a single-stack ipv6 debian host that gets its address via router advertisements. interfaces is giving me grief. if I enter " |
| 16:49.32 | henry__ | "iface eth0 inet6 manual" the interface never comes up |
| 16:49.35 | proby | guys am having the deffault gnome installation in debian but the desktop takes a huge ammount of time to load wich is unusuel , is there any tutos how to tweak or fix this? |
| 16:49.37 | henry__ | same if I enter nothing |
| 16:49.40 | henry__ | am I missing something? |
| 16:49.53 | boudiccas | echo083: PEBKAC |
| 16:49.54 | pjc_ | henry__: iface eth0 static |
| 16:50.04 | echo083 | boudiccas, what ? |
| 16:50.05 | Dagger2 | henry__: add a "up ip link set $IFACE up" to the "iface eth0 inet6 manual" stanza |
| 16:50.40 | pparadis | echo083: i suspect your browser address auto-completion may have been the culprit here, combined with hitting an incorrect link to start with. |
| 16:50.47 | proby | guys am having the deffault gnome installation in debian but the desktop takes a huge ammount of time to load wich is unusuel , is there any tutos how to tweak or fix this? |
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| 16:50.57 | echo083 | pparadis, humm possible i'll empty the cache |
| 16:50.59 | boudiccas | echo083: problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 16:51.07 | pparadis | proby: please do not ask the same exact question repeatedly. |
| 16:51.10 | echo083 | boudiccas, ok !!! |
| 16:51.20 | pjc_ | henry__: sorry, that was "iface eth0 inet6 static" |
| 16:51.27 | proby | pparadis okey get out of my mind |
| 16:51.31 | Psychon4ut | I would be pleased about some more help I trying to build a deb packages from that rep since hours now |
| 16:51.42 | henry__ | Dagger2: that works. shame there's no auto method |
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| 16:52.01 | henry__ | pjc_: thanks, but I want to use autoconfig |
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| 16:52.05 | pparadis | proby: people here are volunteers. please treat them with respect. you also need to provide more information about your install, such as which version of debian you are running, what has changed recently, etc. |
| 16:52.07 | henry__ | pjc_: static wouldn't really help |
| 16:52.24 | pparadis | proby: if you can't do that, you're not going to get any help. |
| 16:52.37 | proby | pparadis: yes i had forgotten the deb version |
| 16:52.51 | henry__ | Dagger2: so that worked, but it didn't acquire an address until I manually restarted dibbler... not sure why it didn't do its thing |
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| 16:52.56 | proby | guys am having the deffault gnome installation in debian squeeze but the desktop takes a huge ammount of time to load wich is unusuel , is there any tutos how to tweak or fix this? |
| 16:53.00 | proby | pparadis: fixed |
| 16:53.17 | pjc_ | henry__: just more things that could go wrong with manual but I am sure you have that sorted |
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| 16:53.52 | henry__ | pjc_: idk man :) this is an experiment, to see if I can tolerate a linux host that has no v4 address |
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| 16:54.54 | Dagger2 | pjc_: static isn't useful here because he doesn't want to do static config |
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| 16:55.28 | pjc_ | Dagger2: i know that now |
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| 16:57.33 | Dagger2 | henry__: I have no experience with Dibbler. if you're using radvd and SLAAC, you should get an address automatically when the interface is brought up |
| 16:57.56 | Dagger2 | henry__: (and I don't know if Dibbler can replace radvd or not) |
| 16:58.19 | henry__ | Dagger2: ah, i should have been more specific.. dibbler-client |
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| 16:59.18 | henry__ | I have a cisco 871 doing route advertisements and dhcpv6 |
| 16:59.34 | Dagger2 | henry__: ah, you don't need that for SLAAC (only for DHCPv6) |
| 16:59.53 | henry__ | yeah |
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| 17:00.12 | henry__ | unless I've missed something, though, slaac can't send dns info |
| 17:00.22 | henry__ | just routing |
| 17:00.43 | Dagger2 | indeed |
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| 17:01.05 | Dagger2 | (well, you've missed RDNSS, but that requires a daemon and isn't supported on Windows, so... meh) |
| 17:02.04 | chl | hello, I would like to know who / where I should ask to get someone willing to package OpenSMTPD (mail server) http://opensmtpd.org, I'm managing the portable version, it compiles on Debian, it just need a packager. (sorry for the noise if I'm not at the right place to ask) |
| 17:02.44 | teratorn | chl: you could get help with that on OFTC |
| 17:02.53 | henry__ | Dagger2: yeah... I'm finding that going single-stack isn't as easy as it sounds |
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| 17:09.08 | lapsusbrutus | changed settings on a virtual machine on kvm.. lots of udev errors at start.. works, but eth0 > eth1 etc etc.. how to fix this? |
| 17:09.47 | chl | teratorn: thanks, I'll ask on #debian@irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:09.52 | chl | bye! :) |
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| 17:13.10 | lmi | Hello! |
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| 17:13.48 | lmi | I'm looking at ~/.ssh/known_hosts on a debian host, and am confused. |
| 17:14.01 | lmi | Why doesn't it start with hostname, but some strange string? |
| 17:14.27 | bilel | hi, I'm trying to install a php extension with apt-get, but I'm getting a dpkg fatal error saying that the user "varnishlog" is unknown in the permission file, why? I don't know this user, it looks related to an old package I had, but it has nothing to do with a php extension |
| 17:14.43 | stew | lmi: they are hashed by default so that if some attacker gets into your account, they don't instantly get a list of other hosts to try to also get into |
| 17:15.12 | stew | lmi: are you perhaps loolking at that file because you want to remove a host? because there are tools for that |
| 17:15.19 | alfplayer | lmi: man sshd |
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| 17:16.05 | stew | bilel: can you show us the exact error in a pastebin? (/msg dpkg bat) |
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| 17:17.37 | lmi | stew: thanks for explaining! |
| 17:17.49 | lmi | I was surprised not to see it elsewhere. |
| 17:18.05 | lmi | And no, I was simply surprised tab-completion didn't work for ssh :) |
| 17:19.14 | bilel | stew: sure, here it is : http://pastebin.com/NPrTCtFy , I used google translate because it wasn't in english so some words don't make sense :) |
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| 17:20.22 | stew | lmi: yeah, if you want tab completion to work you have to disable the hostname hashing in ssh_config |
| 17:20.45 | bilel | varnishlog looks related to varnish, it's a reverse proxy I had installed, but I've uninstalled it a few months ago |
| 17:21.14 | stew | bilel: its talking about /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 17:21.59 | stew | bilel: does /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride mention varnishlog and varnishlog no longer exists? |
| 17:23.27 | bilel | stew: I have this line in this file : varnishlog varnishlog 750 /var/log/varnish at the end, maybe I should just remove it? |
| 17:23.46 | stew | bilel: if you no longer have varninsh then yes |
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| 17:24.36 | bilel | stew: thanks it's fixed, you're the guy ;) |
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| 17:24.52 | stew | \*/ |
| 17:25.13 | pparadis | stew: http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/ |
| 17:25.15 | pparadis | runs |
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| 17:25.18 | nyuszika7h | Freeze tomorrow? |
| 17:25.42 | stew | nyuszika7h: yes |
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| 17:43.19 | proby | hi , is there any command that stops networking on debian ? bothe wireless and ethernet at same time |
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| 17:43.49 | micols | /etc/init.d/networking stop |
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| 17:44.03 | micols | also network-manager stop |
| 17:44.20 | proby | micols: i don't have network manager |
| 17:44.25 | micols | then the other one :) |
| 17:44.36 | micols | you can do ifdown -a too |
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| 17:44.40 | micols | that stops all networking too |
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| 17:44.47 | micols | its probably better :) |
| 17:44.57 | micols | faster. |
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| 17:45.08 | proby | it hadn't work because i think wicd is still running |
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| 17:45.22 | micols | if you do ifdown -a you shouldn't have networking anymore |
| 17:45.48 | micols | unless they're not auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:45.52 | proby | micols: and how to bring it up again?? |
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| 17:46.01 | micols | ifup -a |
| 17:47.27 | proby | micols: not working |
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| 17:53.53 | micols | proby: use start in those cmds instead of 'stop' :) |
| 17:53.56 | micols | else reboot :) |
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| 17:58.58 | H4x012 | guys what do you think about CSF firewall for dedicated server? |
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| 18:02.00 | H4x012 | or danishmand? |
| 18:02.00 | H4x012 | :D |
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| 18:02.10 | H4x012 | danishmand mean professor in persian language |
| 18:02.18 | danishman | ok |
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| 18:05.04 | altairmsouza | hello all. |
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| 18:06.19 | altairmsouza | exists one service to management router/ap wireless equal mikrotik ? |
| 18:07.13 | thewanderer1 | which release of Debian do I need the kernel from for Intel i350 gigabit ethernet support? or which particular version (I can compile vanilla kernels with make-kpkg)? |
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| 18:09.09 | jagginess | thewanderer1, probably e1000e |
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| 18:10.13 | thewanderer1 | jagginess, re-read the question please :) |
| 18:10.39 | jagginess | thewanderer1, kernel is irrelevant, module has been out for long time.. |
| 18:11.07 | jagginess | thewanderer1, any latest should have it |
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| 18:11.12 | thewanderer1 | you mean out of tree? O.o |
| 18:11.24 | tremon | http://downloadmirror.intel.com/13663/eng/README.txt |
| 18:11.33 | tremon | thewanderer1: ^ |
| 18:12.07 | thewanderer1 | tremon, thanks, but does that tell me which version I need? |
| 18:12.29 | tremon | sorry, found it from this page: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=13663 |
| 18:12.50 | tremon | I linked the readme because it states "Intel is not supplying patches against the kernel source" |
| 18:13.15 | tremon | I presume that means they're also not interested in pushing the driver into mainline |
| 18:13.27 | jagginess | thewanderer1, you sure it's not already loaded? |
| 18:14.44 | thewanderer1 | jagginess, I don't know, have not bought the hardware yet, researching software support first :P |
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| 18:15.32 | jagginess | thewanderer1, it would work out of the box.. |
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| 18:15.59 | thewanderer1 | I see some commit dated to 2010 that mentions "I350", you may be right |
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| 18:16.16 | tremon | well the igb module is available in my 3.2 kernel |
| 18:16.16 | jagginess | thewanderer1, it would work.. it's been out long time |
| 18:17.03 | thewanderer1 | tremon, hm, so they didn't incorporate this into e1000e? interesting |
| 18:17.26 | tremon | I don't have any 2.6.32 kernels on i386 or amd64, can't check there |
| 18:17.37 | thewanderer1 | okay well, I'll take a chance :) |
| 18:17.53 | jagginess | thewanderer1, it'll either load that or igb.. but it would be autodetected.. it is usually the 'video' that are the most problematic.. |
| 18:18.14 | jagginess | thewanderer1, stay away from gateway |
| 18:18.26 | thewanderer1 | the video is plain old Matrox G200, shouldn't be an issue |
| 18:18.26 | tremon | /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-486/kernel/drivers/net/igb/igb.ko <-- oh look, I do |
| 18:19.02 | thewanderer1 | tremon, that doesn't mean automagic i350 support, it was added to igb at some point I think, not at module creation time :P |
| 18:19.12 | tremon | ah, true |
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| 18:23.04 | thewanderer1 | thanks though, now I at least know igb is not some blob and there's a good chance of having it supported if I install 3.2 or so |
| 18:23.05 | mikeekim | a |
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| 18:31.40 | RustyShackleford | i don't want breakage but I want new packages |
| 18:31.45 | RustyShackleford | what release should I track? |
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| 18:32.40 | pparadis | !tell RustyShackleford about releases |
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| 18:33.26 | RustyShackleford | i understand that stable, testing, and unstable exist and their goals |
| 18:33.50 | RustyShackleford | i like the idea of stable being rock solid, but some packages are really old |
| 18:34.15 | RustyShackleford | java for example |
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| 18:34.30 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: your original question involves mutually exclusive conditions. do you have a specific functional need for certain newer packages? if so, you may wish to investigate backports for those packages. |
| 18:34.46 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: if you're okay with the possibility of some things breaking, run testing. |
| 18:35.12 | RustyShackleford | you recommend testing over unstable? |
| 18:35.28 | zecrazytux | ahah, totally :) |
| 18:35.35 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: you indicated that you understood the purpose of stable, testing, and unstable ... |
| 18:35.48 | RustyShackleford | i've read some things online that recommend unstable because fixes happen faster |
| 18:35.55 | pparadis | running unstable is for the very brave and/or very experienced, who can fix things that break routinely. |
| 18:36.02 | RustyShackleford | but then it seems like running Arch |
| 18:36.05 | zecrazytux | RustyShackleford: breakages happen faster too |
| 18:36.10 | RustyShackleford | which is not what i'm looking for |
| 18:36.21 | jagginess | omg.. let's get past this testing<->unstable. If you're not dumb you can use anything. But know the precautions.. |
| 18:36.23 | jagginess | !testing |
| 18:36.23 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 18:36.37 | jagginess | "You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. " |
| 18:36.39 | jagginess | ^ yes. |
| 18:36.40 | thewanderer1 | RustyShackleford, on the contrary, running Arch is precisely what you're looking for... |
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| 18:36.49 | jagginess | at all times. |
| 18:37.00 | pparadis | thewanderer1: with all the "fun" that comes with that, of course ;) |
| 18:38.15 | zecrazytux | RustyShackleford: do you know why you need newer softwares ? |
| 18:38.24 | zecrazytux | which ones |
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| 18:38.46 | RustyShackleford | xfce and java |
| 18:38.47 | zecrazytux | or is it just a matter of going bleeding edge for the principle ? |
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| 18:38.56 | pparadis | zecrazytux: indeed, there's a big difference between actually needing certain functionality and SNS. |
| 18:39.03 | RustyShackleford | for those packages yes |
| 18:39.05 | jagginess | zecrazytux, your english does not make sense at all. |
| 18:39.20 | RustyShackleford | also I'd like the new gcc for C++11 |
| 18:39.29 | RustyShackleford | again, for the purpose of bleeding edge |
| 18:39.33 | zecrazytux | jagginess: hm, sorry for that. Should I quit ? |
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| 18:39.42 | pparadis | zecrazytux: i can understand you just fine. |
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| 18:39.50 | jagginess | zecrazytux, no.. but keep your english simple.. you're sounding crazy |
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| 18:40.01 | thewanderer1 | zecrazytux, whatever you're smoking, yeah :) (otherwise, maybe not) |
| 18:40.08 | RustyShackleford | who doesn't love new functionality |
| 18:40.11 | jagginess | ;) |
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| 18:40.30 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: people who care about stability as their first priority and have software in place that meets their needs adequately. |
| 18:40.32 | tremon | RustyShackleford: I recall many people not exactly loving the new functionality that is gnome3 |
| 18:40.36 | karihre | guys, easy to configure MTA that just takes care of sending emails onto a configurable smtp server? nullmailer? are there better alternatives? |
| 18:40.43 | thewanderer1 | RustyShackleford, well, nothing prevents you from having Debian Stable installed on your desktop, running a VM and trying out new functionality in there |
| 18:40.45 | karihre | (&girls) |
| 18:40.51 | tremon | karihre: sstmp |
| 18:41.24 | RustyShackleford | java7 i do need, for eclipse |
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| 18:41.28 | jagginess | thewanderer1, so what are you using currently? you bought that machine? |
| 18:41.41 | RustyShackleford | how could I work around this in stable? |
| 18:41.48 | karihre | tremon: thanks! |
| 18:41.56 | tremon | RustyShackleford: download the jdk from oracle? |
| 18:42.02 | RustyShackleford | just install the proprietary ones myself? |
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| 18:42.10 | RustyShackleford | is there a convenient way to keep that updated? |
| 18:42.14 | zecrazytux | RustyShackleford: debian does not ship sun's ^W oracle's java anymore afaik |
| 18:42.20 | bilel | hi, I've added a user to a group, but it's not updated yet, what should I do? without rebooting, thx |
| 18:42.23 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: this is just one example, if you need oracle's java --> http://alexander.holbreich.org/2011/11/java-7-on-debian/ |
| 18:42.24 | RustyShackleford | stable does, but java6 |
| 18:42.26 | jagginess | RustyShackleford, eclipse is well packaged.. sounds to me like you're not using debian |
| 18:42.29 | thewanderer1 | jagginess, I'm considering a server choice. currently, it's Nehalem-era, and it's supported well with Squeeze (X8SIL-F). |
| 18:42.43 | GNU\colossus | zecrazytux, noone does, because the license that allowed others to do so was rewoked |
| 18:42.46 | RustyShackleford | pparadis, I'm familiar with the process, I've done it on ubuntu |
| 18:42.46 | GNU\colossus | revoked* |
| 18:42.59 | RustyShackleford | i believe I found a ppa that kept everything updated though |
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| 18:43.27 | jagginess | RustyShackleford, you're using ubuntu. |
| 18:43.33 | RustyShackleford | worse |
| 18:43.33 | jagginess | RustyShackleford, ppa is for ubuntu. |
| 18:43.42 | jagginess | RustyShackleford, #ubuntu |
| 18:43.44 | RustyShackleford | i speak to you from windows |
| 18:43.53 | tremon | bilel: logout and login is the easiest |
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| 18:44.12 | thewanderer1 | 2 hints: 1) extracting Java, a binary blob, into /usr/lib directly, is a bad idea. 2) distributing Java is probably illegal, you need to download it from Oracle, not from a "PPA"... |
| 18:44.18 | RustyShackleford | i ask these questions because I'm planning on installing linux again |
| 18:44.30 | RustyShackleford | doing my homework before I dive in |
| 18:44.32 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: you would be well advised to stick to packages that are actually designed for your version of debian. this is why we have backports, and for things not in backports, you will need to do manual installs if you really need newer versions. |
| 18:44.36 | jagginess | RustyShackleford, dont confuse new people here.. ppa is not debian.. |
| 18:44.41 | jagginess | RustyShackleford, please |
| 18:44.52 | RustyShackleford | yes I realize that |
| 18:45.13 | pparadis | RustyShackleford: saying "you know how to do something" isn't a useful response. i was attempting to address your query about keeping it updated, and the simple answer is "you're going to be on your own for that." |
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| 18:45.36 | RustyShackleford | i was referring to "ppa is not debian" |
| 18:45.40 | pparadis | mixing up distros and release packages is a bad idea. |
| 18:45.52 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: I did not try myself but have heard about 'java-package' |
| 18:46.02 | RustyShackleford | yeah I don't want to mess with that if I can avoid it |
| 18:46.10 | thewanderer1 | packaging it yourself is completely fine, as long as you're not distributing it |
| 18:46.19 | RustyShackleford | maybe I'll ditch xfce for openbox |
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| 18:46.31 | chipotle | how do i make files in a folder owned by www-data rather than root, and for the future as well |
| 18:46.31 | thewanderer1 | (internal propagation to many machines is NOT "distribution" in the legal sense) |
| 18:46.37 | bilel | tremon: ok I'll do that, but I'm sure there were a simple command to do that, but can't retrieve it :( |
| 18:47.15 | tremon | bilel: I know, I've been looking for it too. Can't find it and no one else answered, hence my response :) |
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| 18:48.06 | thewanderer1 | chipotle, man chown; and for the future: you can not - a file is owned by the user that created it... |
| 18:48.14 | bilel | tremon: ok thx ;) |
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| 18:48.42 | tremon | bilel: try newgrp |
| 18:49.08 | thewanderer1 | chipotle, you can, however, use ACL, so that files created by root are writable by www-data as well: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#Access_Control_Lists_in_Linux |
| 18:49.27 | zecrazytux | chipotle: you may want sticky bit, to prevent renames/deletions (root still can) |
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| 18:50.14 | tremon | chipotle: you want the suid bit on the directory |
| 18:50.30 | tremon | but then you'd need to make the directory owned by www-data too |
| 18:50.47 | tremon | (or sgid, if www-data is a group) |
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| 18:51.30 | calrogman | wonders why sudo's insults are enabled in the default configuration |
| 18:51.37 | calrogman | are not * |
| 18:51.55 | pparadis | calrogman: you mean the bits about "this is going on your permanent record"? :) |
| 18:52.06 | trysten | chuckles |
| 18:52.20 | tremon | calrogman: it's because of the PC movement |
| 18:52.22 | calrogman | "Your mind just hasn't been the same since the electro-shock, has it?" |
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| 18:52.36 | calrogman | Heh, in the OpenBSD version there are #ifdef's for that. |
| 18:53.03 | calrogman | As seen here: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/sudo/ins_classic.h?rev=1.3;content-type=text%2Fplain |
| 18:55.25 | zecrazytux | tremon: isn't suid on directory ignored ? |
| 18:55.50 | JordiGH | tremon: There is no PC movement. |
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| 18:56.18 | JordiGH | tremon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#Counterclaims |
| 18:56.25 | tremon | zecrazytux: it shouldn't |
| 18:56.40 | pparadis | JordiGH: i think he was saying something like "one day a guy saw a message saying the incident was going to be reported, and the poor bastard lost the will to live and jumped out his office window." |
| 18:56.40 | tremon | JordiGH: it was not meant as a serious response |
| 18:56.49 | tremon | lol |
| 18:56.51 | JordiGH | lol |
| 18:57.05 | tremon | pparadis: I like your explanation better |
| 18:57.10 | pparadis | :) |
| 18:57.28 | zecrazytux | tremon: sgid on directory works here, but suid does not (netbsd) |
| 18:57.52 | calrogman | pparadis: It still says that when you type a wrong password though. |
| 18:57.54 | tremon | zecrazytux: ok, I could be wrong about that. TBH, sgid makes a lot more sense than sgid |
| 18:58.02 | tremon | urrh... than suid |
| 18:59.03 | pparadis | calrogman: and this is why debian comes with a disclaimer against any responsibility for guys jumping out of windows. :D |
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| 19:16.35 | DelphiWorld | hi debian |
| 19:16.41 | jagginess | pparadis, always look on the bright side of life.. don't do it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVXR0AKyxA4 |
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| 19:17.18 | DelphiWorld | please how turn timestamping in dmesg off |
| 19:17.22 | DelphiWorld | it's pissing me off |
| 19:18.23 | nvz | heh |
| 19:18.24 | calrogman | dmesg -t ? |
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| 19:19.28 | esojep | calrogman dmesg doesn't have -t option |
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| 19:19.39 | stew | mine does |
| 19:19.42 | calrogman | As does mine. |
| 19:19.57 | stew | ah but stable doesn't |
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| 19:20.21 | calrogman | That would explain it. |
| 19:20.48 | nvz | DelphiWorld: printk.time=0 I believe |
| 19:21.02 | DelphiWorld | nvz: yup but where to push it |
| 19:21.21 | DelphiWorld | calrogman: DUDE dmesg -t work |
| 19:21.27 | nvz | DelphiWorld: from bootloader, to kernel command line or use |
| 19:21.39 | Supaplex | sysctl |
| 19:21.52 | nvz | DelphiWorld: /sys/module/printk/parameters/time to manipulate it at runtime |
| 19:22.10 | DelphiWorld | nvz or Supaplex |
| 19:22.18 | DelphiWorld | please can you give me the echo line to do it ;) |
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| 19:22.39 | nvz | DelphiWorld: cat /sys/module/printk/parameters/time and see what it says |
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| 19:23.00 | nvz | is on WinXP right now so.. |
| 19:23.22 | Supaplex | is nom nom nom'ing |
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| 19:23.42 | nvz | DelphiWorld: typically its a simple binary value for these kind of things, should be set to 1 currently and doing echo "0" > /sys/module/printk/parameters/time would flip it off |
| 19:23.43 | DelphiWorld | nvz: i did: echo n > /sys/module/printk/parameters/time |
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| 19:23.46 | nvz | but I'd check it first |
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| 19:24.16 | nvz | personally I love the printk time.. its rather useless to printk at all without a timestamp |
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| 19:24.47 | DelphiWorld | nvz: n didn't have any effect. trying 0 |
| 19:24.56 | DelphiWorld | cause initial value was y |
| 19:25.00 | nvz | ah |
| 19:25.08 | nvz | never seen that before |
| 19:25.35 | nvz | keep in mind that dmesg is a buffer, and its not gonna change whats there already |
| 19:25.55 | DelphiWorld | no, i rebooted |
| 19:26.05 | Supaplex | alias dmesg="dmesg -t" |
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| 19:26.40 | DelphiWorld | Supaplex: DUDE. you rocks. would definitly use that and shut up! |
| 19:26.53 | DelphiWorld | how can i make this alias permanant? |
| 19:27.11 | nvz | put it into a bashrc or such |
| 19:27.19 | Supaplex | .bashrc .bash_profile |
| 19:27.20 | nvz | its a per-user thing |
| 19:27.41 | nvz | I do think that finding a way to simply not see it is far better than turning it off |
| 19:27.56 | Supaplex | agreed |
| 19:28.20 | Supaplex | sometimes the historical corellation helps you zero in on what/when/with-what |
| 19:28.36 | DelphiWorld | DONE! |
| 19:28.42 | DelphiWorld | nvz, Supaplex thank you DUDES |
| 19:29.06 | nvz | rock on.. yeawh man.. |
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| 19:29.22 | Supaplex | calrogman too for dmesg -t |
| 19:30.12 | Supaplex | !next |
| 19:30.13 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 19:30.20 | Supaplex | :) |
| 19:30.22 | nvz | I suppose I could reboot to debian and attempt to bang my head off the GPU issue since I can't really do much with it being 100degF.. don't wanna stress my computer playing games in this heat |
| 19:30.47 | nvz | I really just dont have any ideas for running down a highly intermittant issue I can't find a reliable way to reproduce |
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| 19:31.23 | nvz | sometimes it'll lockup the whole system just starting Pheonix Viewer, other times I can run 3 of em for an hour or two without issue :-P |
| 19:32.20 | DelphiWorld | Sory calrogman i forget ;) |
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| 19:32.35 | nvz | I do know now after installing XP and using it a few days, that this GPU can run stable.. though its performance is significantly worse in windows using the exact same app |
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| 19:33.53 | nvz | I just wish someone had made something that was designed to induce a GPU hang.. heh |
| 19:34.10 | pparadis | nvz: home depot makes blowtorches. ;) |
| 19:34.10 | Supaplex | gpunurn |
| 19:34.25 | Supaplex | let's make gpuburn :p |
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| 19:34.37 | nvz | yeah you'd think someone would've done that already |
| 19:35.04 | DelphiWorld | Supaplex, nvz |
| 19:35.09 | DelphiWorld | after adding a bash alias |
| 19:35.12 | DelphiWorld | should i reboot? |
| 19:35.14 | nvz | I read a lot of forums and stuff and some people are lucky enough to have it happen just by using a GL screen saver within seconds |
| 19:35.17 | pparadis | nvz: http://wili.cc/blog/gpu-burn.html |
| 19:35.19 | DelphiWorld | logging in / logging out is not helping |
| 19:35.22 | Supaplex | DelphiWorld: no. runs on each login |
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| 19:35.31 | pparadis | Supaplex: http://wili.cc/blog/gpu-burn.html |
| 19:35.32 | pparadis | :) |
| 19:35.37 | Supaplex | wouuu! |
| 19:35.41 | johnnyquest | KDE is spitting this at me on login of it http://i.imgur.com/snP6E.jpg |
| 19:36.24 | Supaplex | pparadis: and I thought I would have to repeat what my drill sargent would say. "For 9 cents I can solve all your problems!" |
| 19:36.29 | nvz | patterson_: that seems to be for nvidia cuda architecture and I dont readily see any source/binary for download anyhow |
| 19:36.40 | pparadis | Supaplex: haha |
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| 19:37.13 | nvz | Supaplex: I don't get it.. but then again I suppose he'd make me pretend to understand one way or another |
| 19:37.46 | pparadis | nvz: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/GP90.jpg |
| 19:38.01 | Supaplex | nvz: he's implying, what else are you going to worry about when you're dead? |
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| 19:38.40 | nvz | johnnyquest: step one when something tells you it cannot find a file is to manually verify if it exists or not with ls -l /path/to/file as root |
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| 19:39.39 | johnnyquest | nvz, it does not |
| 19:39.41 | nvz | oh, referring to a bullet.. I get it.. |
| 19:40.05 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 19:41.06 | nvz | johnnyquest: ok well its a socket file, so its suppose to have been created by something, probably dbus. Next step I'd take is a historical examination of the issue. Did this work before? What have you done recently? |
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| 19:41.12 | johnnyquest | nvz, neither doed dbus |
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| 19:41.41 | johnnyquest | nvz, i just got got into this box yesterday and kdes first time up really |
| 19:41.48 | nvz | johnnyquest: if you just installed KDE, what steps did you take, where did you install it from, which branch of debian are you using..etc |
| 19:42.32 | nvz | johnnyquest: most important is how you're starting KDE |
| 19:42.43 | johnnyquest | nvz, I used emerge kde-meta from consol in root but after a created a full user account and set it up I ran it again under sudo kde-meta then kdm'ed in |
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| 19:42.59 | johnnyquest | I only get a shell prompted on boot so i loged in as root and kdm then loged in as user |
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| 19:43.31 | nvz | johnnyquest: um.. you're using gentoo? |
| 19:43.39 | johnnyquest | nvz, yes |
| 19:43.51 | nvz | hmm.. intersting.. |
| 19:44.06 | nvz | johnnyquest: see on my screen it says this is #debian ;) |
| 19:44.09 | Supaplex | looks at this channel name, and back at gentoo |
| 19:44.30 | johnnyquest | nvz, lol sorr I got accidently joined the wrong one in my irc client lol |
| 19:44.32 | Supaplex | heh no wonder we're lost. :p |
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| 19:44.46 | ompaul | what's this we? |
| 19:44.57 | johnnyquest | guess ompaul isnt lost |
| 19:45.17 | Supaplex | ahh yes, our resident gentoo expert. |
| 19:45.20 | nvz | yeah... well this is why I always back up on an issue.. go back to where it began.. and when he said emerge kde-meta I was like wth?! |
| 19:45.25 | Supaplex | wonders away for a bit |
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| 19:46.26 | johnnyquest | well I havnt worked with dbus issues before, so I was a bit lost so I went for help before I F'ed it up. But this is a clean boot thus hard to trace backstep bugs |
| 19:46.57 | nvz | johnnyquest: not really hard in debian, you'd apt-get install kde or such, and it'd pull in the required dependencies |
| 19:47.19 | nvz | you seem to be missing something, I'd seek help in #gentoo or go to debian.org/cd and install debian |
| 19:47.46 | johnnyquest | well i can emerge --sync --world except it tells me ur all good! lol what does it know |
| 19:47.51 | Supaplex | nvz: well, ompaul's not lost. he has our answer, right? |
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| 19:48.22 | johnnyquest | well thx sorry for messing with ur alls heads have good day! |
| 19:48.25 | nvz | yeah well sooner or later abrotman will pop up and we'll all be getting spanked |
| 19:49.11 | Supaplex | hummm yeah, but my woman does a better job of that anyway. |
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| 19:49.43 | nvz | yeah well not respecting the topic of any channel seems to really piss him off.. heh |
| 19:50.44 | nvz | personally what I do when things get off topic is tend to try backlog and make sure we're not missing any valid questions |
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| 20:06.10 | Lartza | What is the best way to use raw Xorg? Launching X11 programs from tty without running a constant xorg server |
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| 20:06.45 | jagginess | Lartza, that's startx method startup |
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| 20:07.10 | Lartza | jagginess, startx command ? |
| 20:07.18 | jagginess | Lartza, for kde or gnome startup, it may be startkde or start<something gnome> |
| 20:07.21 | tremon | Lartza, note: running without window manager means all apps run fullscreen (or however much they choose to use) |
| 20:07.39 | jagginess | Lartza, ya.. that's for X11 old method.. it likely doesnt start a gnome or kde desktop |
| 20:07.54 | Lartza | I am not starting a desktop |
| 20:07.57 | Lartza | tremon, I know |
| 20:08.25 | Lartza | Gnome on raspberry pi would be ugh :P |
| 20:08.28 | tremon | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=startx |
| 20:08.43 | Lartza | It can probably run MATE but not Gnome 3 atleast with shell :) |
| 20:09.10 | jagginess | Lartza, raspberry may have different specs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Startx gives an idea but don't rely on x.org's documents as distros can mod the startx scripts |
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| 20:09.52 | Lartza | jagginess, Specs are ARMv6 @ 700MHz <3 ;) with 128MB of ram if you give GPU 128 |
| 20:09.59 | tharkun | Lartza: What is your actual goal? |
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| 20:10.15 | Lartza | tharkun, Run X11 programs "standalone" since a WM/DE takes up resources |
| 20:10.22 | jagginess | Lartza, no i'm saying whatever raspeberry linux distro you're using, they likely mod their own startx scripts if there are any |
| 20:10.43 | tharkun | Lartza: 100 bucks will get you some appropiate hw to do it. |
| 20:10.51 | Lartza | tharkun, I know |
| 20:11.03 | Lartza | tharkun, My 600 buck PC can do it |
| 20:11.13 | smacnay | I am noticing that linux-sound-base is holding back some updates in linux sid. Is this package still needed or have there been some changes that make linux-sound-base obsolete? |
| 20:11.23 | tharkun | Lartza: then get rid of X and run cli programs for whatever you do |
| 20:11.50 | Lartza | tharkun, I am experimenting :) Going to play seom 3D games on this ;) |
| 20:12.10 | jagginess | Lartza hehe |
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| 20:12.30 | jagginess | Lartza, i think a SoC means you have to use what's already made for a start |
| 20:12.33 | tharkun | Lartza: ok, be prepared to have your machine melt on your hands. |
| 20:12.42 | Lartza | tharkun, It can run Quake 3 1080p fine |
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| 20:12.52 | Lartza | tharkun, Also I haven't even ocerclocked ;) |
| 20:13.07 | Lartza | What are the minimals for xorg? xserve-xorg, what else? |
| 20:13.25 | jagginess | Lartza, it's a SoC :) |
| 20:13.29 | tharkun | Lartza: enjoy, post your highscore when you are done playing around :-) |
| 20:13.33 | johnnyquest | nvz, I got it, just reported to give the knowledge back. Ran as root rc-update add dbus reboot |
| 20:13.34 | tremon | Lartza: xserver-xorg-core, one xserver-xorg-video- driver and one xserver-xorg-input driver |
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| 20:13.37 | stew | Lartza: you might want a keyboard driver and/or a mouse driver. you need a video driver |
| 20:13.48 | calrogman | What tremon said. |
| 20:13.57 | Lartza | oh yeah |
| 20:14.01 | Lartza | fbdev and evdev it is then ;) |
| 20:14.01 | stew | and fonts? |
| 20:14.32 | Lartza | stew, Well maybe but, it probably installs some as dependencies for those |
| 20:14.35 | tremon | stew: bah, don't need no stinkin' fonts to run X |
| 20:14.47 | tremon | only need fonts to run apps on the server |
| 20:14.49 | Lartza | Yeah since mhh |
| 20:14.51 | nvz | johnnyquest: kudos.. personally I have no interest in anything gentoo.. think they're slightly crazy people who have way too much time on their hands :-P |
| 20:15.03 | Lartza | don't really have a awesome webbrowser |
| 20:15.08 | stew | tremon: you don't recall X refusing to start with "Failed to find default font: Fixed"? |
| 20:15.09 | Lartza | midori <3 |
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| 20:15.12 | tharkun | nvz: where did you get that idea? |
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| 20:15.22 | tremon | stew: nope, never seen it :) |
| 20:15.33 | ompaul | tharkun: from compile times? |
| 20:15.58 | Lartza | Thanks for the help hope this works, just finishing up xorg install ;) |
| 20:16.10 | tharkun | ompaul: Are you sure about that. Naa you just have a slow vm where you don't have your OS really optimized. |
| 20:16.15 | stew | tremon: oh, it was "Can't find default font: fixed" |
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| 20:16.21 | nvz | heh |
| 20:16.38 | Lartza | what game should I try? ;) |
| 20:16.38 | ompaul | tharkun: x purposes methinks |
| 20:16.40 | tremon | doesn't recall that one either |
| 20:16.44 | Lartza | I was thinking of xmoto but is not 3D |
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| 20:17.01 | Lartza | oh openarena is for armhf |
| 20:17.07 | ompaul | tharkun: gentoo people with too many hours on their hands |
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| 20:17.15 | tharkun | lol |
| 20:17.23 | tharkun | goes back to work |
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| 20:18.35 | nvz | johnnyquest: fyi #debian-offtopic |
| 20:18.55 | smacnay | bzflag is a great 3d game |
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| 20:19.47 | johnnyquest | nvz, figured it was the same command on debian. I used debian for a while, I liked it till its functions of crypto suport on installer made me want to shoot my neighbors. Yeah agreed gentoo is a PITFA, but you do know EVERYTHING your system is doing |
| 20:19.58 | johnnyquest | ty |
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| 20:22.06 | os-app92 | Hi |
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| 20:24.32 | aguitel | are someone installed cinnamon under debian ? |
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| 20:26.52 | dvs | !ask |
| 20:26.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:27.28 | aguitel | how install cinnamon under debian testing ? |
| 20:28.34 | craigevil | aguitel, search the mint/lmde forum, you need to build it from source |
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| 20:29.52 | aguitel | craigevil, no repo ? |
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| 20:30.44 | craigevil | nope |
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| 20:34.28 | rjanja | aguitel, these may or may not work for you: https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/downloads |
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| 20:38.53 | aguitel | rjanja, many dependences no installed |
| 20:39.47 | roboman2444 | argh... radeon catalyst still segfaults |
| 20:39.50 | roboman2444 | even on 12.6 |
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| 20:42.05 | roboman2444 | any help with this? |
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| 20:43.18 | roboman2444 | http://pastebin.com/sfN5MBnn |
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| 20:44.49 | zophy | does knoppix have an irc client on the 6.7.1 cd ? |
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| 20:45.52 | aguitel | roboman2444, how you installed fglrx ? |
| 20:46.01 | roboman2444 | 12.6 from the site |
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| 20:46.36 | aguitel | what site |
| 20:46.42 | roboman2444 | the amd site |
| 20:46.48 | zophy | omg |
| 20:46.55 | zophy | *THE* site ? |
| 20:47.10 | roboman2444 | yes |
| 20:47.17 | roboman2444 | the run files from THE site |
| 20:47.20 | zophy | i am not worthy |
| 20:48.55 | aguitel | follow this site:http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/ |
| 20:49.15 | aguitel | amd site is not sopported here |
| 20:49.30 | deadmund | the gnome power manager does not see my battery even though laptop-detect does. |
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| 20:50.08 | dvs | zophy: Knoppix 7.0.1 has been out for a month |
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| 20:52.01 | deadmund | I found something for my own problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/458004 |
| 20:52.16 | zophy | dvs: ah i didn't know this thing |
| 20:52.40 | zophy | dvs: ah i haqve never had a cigarette nor a woman |
| 20:53.03 | cerettala_ | You are not a true man till you have had both at once |
| 20:53.38 | zophy | cerettala_: in what particular configuration ? |
| 20:53.49 | Lartza | In what package is startx in? :) |
| 20:54.25 | stew | Lartza: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:54.27 | deadmund | Lartza, xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:54.30 | deadmund | I blieve |
| 20:54.36 | deadmund | Ha, I'm faster than the robit! |
| 20:54.36 | Lartza | oh |
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| 20:54.43 | pparadis | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xinit |
| 20:54.44 | Lartza | there is a package called "xinit" |
| 20:54.45 | dvs | zophy: ? |
| 20:54.47 | cerettala_ | put the girl in your mouth and the cigarrete in yo....... |
| 20:55.09 | Lartza | Why does xinit depend on xterm?? |
| 20:55.19 | stew | cerettala_: wrong channel |
| 20:55.36 | pparadis | Lartza: it doesn't. |
| 20:55.40 | pparadis | that's a "recommends" |
| 20:55.46 | cerettala_ | whoops, fail |
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| 20:55.50 | zophy | Lartza: xinit calls starts xterm as a default i think |
| 20:55.52 | Lartza | pparadis, It is installing it for me |
| 20:55.54 | Lartza | wheezy |
| 20:55.57 | Lartza | btw |
| 20:56.03 | pparadis | Lartza: you can install it without installing xterm. |
| 20:56.16 | Lartza | Why is it installing recommends... |
| 20:56.22 | pparadis | that's an apt preferences. |
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| 20:56.37 | pparadis | if you're using apt-get or aptitude, there are flags to control that. |
| 20:56.48 | pparadis | or you can control it in /etc/apt/apt.conf (Which doesn't exist by default) |
| 20:56.53 | stew | Lartza: you should expect it to install Recommends by definition |
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| 20:57.50 | zophy | i destroyed my hardrives so there is no evidence, i only use live cd's |
| 20:58.12 | pparadis | Lartza: if you want to modify that behavior without using the arg to disable it every time you install something, you can create /etc/apt/apt.conf and put this in it: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 20:58.44 | zophy | it's like not poaching deer, only you can still taste it |
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| 21:00.16 | Lartza | "startx command" does not work |
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| 21:00.30 | Lartza | It just closes X due to nothing to be ran |
| 21:00.42 | Lartza | If I add exec command to .xinitrc it works fine |
| 21:01.01 | pparadis | that's sensible. |
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| 21:01.39 | Lartza | pparadis, I wanted something I can use like "startx command" |
| 21:01.43 | Lartza | someone told me that would work :/ |
| 21:02.05 | Lartza | It was jagginess |
| 21:02.11 | Lartza | shakes his fist |
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| 21:02.50 | pparadis | Lartza: i have no idea if startx passes any arguments you give it to .xinitrc or elsewhere. if so, you should be able to use those. |
| 21:03.04 | Lartza | pparadis, Seems it does not |
| 21:03.14 | Lartza | xinit should though I recon |
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| 21:03.32 | Lartza | Seems I am having problems the instant :D |
| 21:03.37 | Lartza | I ran xmoto from xinitrc |
| 21:03.59 | Lartza | Oh wait |
| 21:04.00 | Lartza | it works |
| 21:04.04 | Lartza | just super slow :P |
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| 21:05.23 | roboman2444 | ok, downgrading xorg... when will amd be up to date with the newer xorg? |
| 21:05.24 | Ninguem | Hey guys, how can I install the real firefox in debian? and flash player? |
| 21:05.40 | H4x012 | Ninguem |
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| 21:05.47 | H4x012 | if you mean windows based firefox |
| 21:05.50 | H4x012 | you can use WINE |
| 21:05.55 | roboman2444 | Ninguem, https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/ |
| 21:05.59 | H4x012 | download setup.exe to your desktop |
| 21:06.00 | pparadis | H4x012: i'm sure he doesn't mean that. |
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| 21:06.13 | H4x012 | i hope so |
| 21:06.13 | H4x012 | hahaha |
| 21:06.14 | xfire78xx | sera |
| 21:06.23 | Ninguem | roboman2444: Cool, any udea about the real firefox? |
| 21:06.29 | Ninguem | H4x012: wine? Nah |
| 21:06.49 | H4x012 | so what do you mean by real firefox? |
| 21:06.53 | roboman2444 | from the site |
| 21:06.59 | roboman2444 | they have linux dornroads |
| 21:07.06 | pparadis | H4x012: he means not iceweasel, as in with their branding, etc. |
| 21:07.23 | pparadis | Ninguem: what do you feel you need "real" firefox instead of iceweasel, which is firefox? |
| 21:07.32 | dvs | Ninguem: Why do you want the real Firefox? |
| 21:07.52 | Ninguem | pparadis: I didn't really like the iceweasel |
| 21:08.01 | Ninguem | dvs: Not a fan of it |
| 21:08.20 | dvs | ??? But it is Firefox, just relabeled |
| 21:08.43 | Ninguem | dvs: is it the same? What I have here looks like the very old firefox |
| 21:08.59 | dvs | !tell Ninguem about mdn |
| 21:09.17 | kevlarman | dvs: it's not just relabeled |
| 21:09.30 | dvs | kevlarman: What else is done to it? |
| 21:09.50 | Ninguem | dvs: which version? |
| 21:09.53 | kevlarman | dvs: it apparently had enough patches applied to it that mozilla forced debian to relabel it |
| 21:10.00 | dvs | Ninguem: That one has 13.0.1 |
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| 21:10.18 | Ninguem | dvs: Which version to install? from the site you gave me |
| 21:10.28 | Ninguem | the release? |
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| 21:11.05 | dvs | Ninguem: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 21:11.23 | dvs | Ninguem: It depends what version of Debian you have. |
| 21:11.53 | Ninguem | dvs: squeeze, the key is not working |
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| 21:12.34 | dvs | Ninguem: Did you read the entire web page? |
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| 21:14.23 | pparadis | kvanderw: firefox is stripped of branding and such things for iceweasel because of this --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 21:14.31 | pparadis | sorry, that was for kevlarman |
| 21:14.40 | pparadis | kevlarman: please read the above info. |
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| 21:17.06 | danslo | kevlarman: why are you following me around |
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| 21:17.46 | kevlarman | pparadis: if it was just rebranding then whatever thunderbird got renamed to would be able to read my 500mb database of emails |
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| 21:19.06 | pparadis | kevlarman: it isn't a guarantee that archives stored in a _newer version_ of thunderbird will be usable in an older version. |
| 21:19.15 | pparadis | kevlarman: the reason was trademarks, period. |
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| 21:19.46 | kevlarman | pparadis: i'm not running stable, that shouldn't have been an issue |
| 21:19.46 | danslo | from that exact wiki article |
| 21:19.52 | danslo | "At issue were modifications not approved by the Mozilla Foundation, when the name for the software remained the same." |
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| 21:20.02 | danslo | so it wouldn't surprise me, really |
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| 21:20.39 | pparadis | danslo: yes, because any modifications meant it could not be distributed with the trademarked components intact. |
| 21:20.42 | pparadis | that's what i'm saying. |
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| 21:21.15 | kevlarman | pparadis: and that makes it unusable for me |
| 21:21.16 | pparadis | a modification can be a single line of code, and it means you can't redistribute it with those trademarked items. |
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| 21:21.37 | kevlarman | pparadis: since i need to test firefox, not firefox with debian's security patches |
| 21:21.44 | danslo | pparadis: and it can also mean incompatibility with anything mozilla maintains, and produce issues like those described by kevlarman |
| 21:21.47 | pparadis | kevlarman: i do recognize that as being a totally separate issue (the usability bit). |
| 21:22.25 | pparadis | what i'm speaking to here is the core reason this happened in the first place. it is of course recognized that it may not work for everyone. |
| 21:23.17 | kevlarman | pparadis: and renaming .folders isn't about trademarks, it just breaks things |
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| 21:23.41 | pparadis | kevlarman: well, that in particular is something to be taken up with the devs :) |
| 21:23.53 | jordanm | kevlarman: iceweasel still uses .mozilla and firefox-bin |
| 21:24.02 | kevlarman | jordanm: thunderbird doesn't |
| 21:24.19 | kevlarman | that one i'm just pissed i can't use anymore |
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| 21:24.42 | jordanm | kevlarman: mozilla distributes precompiled tarballs if you need them, just not supported here |
| 21:24.43 | kevlarman | since i don't have to test my code in it the rename is only annoying if it continues to work |
| 21:25.02 | kevlarman | jordanm: that only works if there's a reasonable way to build packages out of them |
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| 21:25.14 | kevlarman | and debian doesn't provide a way to do that unfortunately |
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| 21:25.20 | jordanm | kevlarman: why do they need to be packages? |
| 21:25.31 | burek | :) I accidentally created a file named "--file" (without quotes) |
| 21:25.37 | burek | and now there is no way to delete it :D |
| 21:25.40 | kevlarman | burek: rm ./--file |
| 21:25.50 | jordanm | kevlarman: just install it to your home directory. upgraded the system's xulrunner will give you a lot of problems with gnome and other things that use it |
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| 21:26.08 | jordanm | or rm -- --file |
| 21:26.23 | burek | nice :D |
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| 21:26.27 | burek | thanks :beer: :D |
| 21:26.28 | dvs | or rm \-\-file |
| 21:26.32 | cwillu_at_work | dvs, no |
| 21:26.33 | kevlarman | dvs: nope |
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| 21:26.36 | burek | tried \-\- didn't work |
| 21:26.39 | dvs | really? |
| 21:26.44 | cwillu_at_work | dvs, that just escapes it from the shell |
| 21:26.46 | kevlarman | dvs: the \- protects the - from the shell |
| 21:26.51 | kevlarman | which the shell doesn't care about |
| 21:26.52 | burek | I forgot to end options with -- |
| 21:26.53 | dvs | ah |
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| 21:26.57 | burek | but ./--file works too |
| 21:27.03 | kevlarman | rm still sees ['rm', '--file'] |
| 21:27.06 | burek | thanks guys :) |
| 21:27.10 | kevlarman | as its argv |
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| 21:27.33 | burek | g2g o/ :) |
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| 21:27.45 | kevlarman | dvs: now if rm did its own globbing like a certain other os's equivalent does |
| 21:27.49 | kevlarman | then that would work |
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| 21:28.19 | kevlarman | but that's evil, much cleaner to have the shell responsible for all globbing |
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| 21:30.09 | thewanderer1 | kevlarman, I think own globbing was part of why The UNIX Haters' Handbook exists... |
| 21:31.05 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: obviously every utility having its own subtly different globbing is a great thing :P |
| 21:31.32 | thewanderer1 | yeah. that's why you had the UNIX Barf Bag attached inside the back cover... |
| 21:31.42 | pparadis | kevlarman: it would probably be a terrible idea to use this on debian, but hey, what the heck on a test VM, right? http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ubuntuzilla/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| 21:33.19 | kevlarman | pparadis: the only thing i trust less than debian's packagers is ubuntu's packagers :P |
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| 21:33.32 | pythonisacode | doesd debian provide a md56sum? |
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| 21:33.35 | pythonisacode | md5* |
| 21:33.38 | pythonisacode | can't find it |
| 21:33.43 | jhutchins | Does anyone know of an archive of dmm for lenny? |
| 21:33.46 | kevlarman | ,file md5sum |
| 21:33.50 | judd | Search for md5sum in squeeze/i386: [truncated] coreutils: usr/bin/md5sum; kbuild: usr/bin/kmk_md5sum; atlc: usr/bin/mymd5sum; gconf2-common: usr/share/gconf/default.path.md5sum; bind9: usr/share/bind9/bind9-default.md5sum; dokuwiki: usr/share/dokuwiki/.htaccess.dist.md5sum; chrony: usr/share/chrony/chrony.conf.md5sum; gnumeric-common: usr/share/gnumeric/gnumeric- |
| 21:33.51 | judd | dialogs.schemas.md5sum, usr/share/gnumeric/gnumeric-general.schemas.md5sum, usr/share/gnumeric/gnumeric-plugins.schemas.md5sum; grub-coreboot: usr/share/grub/default/grub.md5sum; grub-efi-amd64: usr/share/grub/default/grub.md5sum; grub-efi-ia32: usr/share/grub/default/grub.md5sum; afterstep: usr/share/afterstep/ucf/afterstep.menu-method.md5sum, usr/share/afterstep/ucf/autoexec.md5sum, (1 more message) |
| 21:33.54 | pparadis | kevlarman: hehe yepper, and these aren't even ubuntu packers, they're third party guys... so yeah, _awful_ idea, but maybe fun for a test VM :) |
| 21:34.00 | dvs | kbild? |
| 21:34.05 | kevlarman | fuck i need to stop doing that |
| 21:34.11 | kevlarman | , file bin/md5sum |
| 21:34.15 | judd | Search for bin/md5sum in squeeze/i386: coreutils: usr/bin/md5sum |
| 21:34.23 | dvs | pythonisacode: coreutils |
| 21:34.33 | jagginess | kevlarman, shasum is better. |
| 21:34.36 | dvs | cleans up judd's barf |
| 21:34.41 | pythonisacode | I'm on a windows macghine |
| 21:34.48 | pparadis | ? |
| 21:34.49 | pythonisacode | can't they just provide a hash on their site :/ |
| 21:34.54 | jagginess | wtf is a macghine? |
| 21:35.01 | dvs | machine |
| 21:35.05 | arnoldB | format c |
| 21:35.06 | jagginess | oh hahaha |
| 21:35.20 | kevlarman | pythonisacode: it's trivial to generate a different iso with the same md5sum as the official one |
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| 21:36.41 | pparadis | kevlarman: this is true, and md5 is weak and ill-advised, but it is significantly less trivial to engineer an ISO that actually does anything you want and has a matching md5sum. |
| 21:36.59 | pythonisacode | that's what I am trying to get |
| 21:37.13 | kevlarman | pparadis: no it isn't |
| 21:37.18 | kevlarman | pparadis: it's completely trivial |
| 21:38.01 | pparadis | kevlarman: i'd like to see you do it. please create an ISO that says "hi pparadis" during the install and has a matching md5sum to the original ISO. |
| 21:38.25 | jagginess | md5 sucks.. use shasum |
| 21:38.39 | pparadis | there's a difference in producing output with a matching checksum and always being able to make the target do something you want. |
| 21:38.42 | dvs | sha1sum |
| 21:38.50 | pparadis | but absolutely, sha should be used instead. |
| 21:39.00 | kevlarman | pparadis: there is an algorithm that given 128 bytes on a 64 byte boundery to fill in with arbitrary data, and given the original file that was hashed, will produce a new file with a matching md5sum |
| 21:39.06 | thewanderer1 | pythonisacode, I think various torrent client programs verify checksums after you've downloaded the file - consider using BitTorrent |
| 21:39.10 | kevlarman | in the space of about an hour on modern hardware |
| 21:39.30 | pparadis | kevlarman: i'm familiar with that. it doesn't mean you can do what i'm describing. |
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| 21:40.20 | pparadis | kevlarman: note that i said _you_ there. others with much larger computing resources may certainly be able to, but we're talking about large resources. |
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| 21:40.55 | kevlarman | pparadis: i mean modern desktop hardware |
| 21:40.58 | kevlarman | 2 core cpu |
| 21:41.08 | pparadis | kevlarman: i'm waiting on my ISO that says "hi pparadis" during the install. |
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| 21:44.11 | pythonisacode | why do I have to check md5 sums anyway |
| 21:44.17 | pythonisacode | I just do it by default |
| 21:44.22 | pythonisacode | don't even know why |
| 21:44.55 | kevlarman | pythonisacode: 1) to make sure your download isn't corrupt, 2) to make sure it hasn't been tampered with |
| 21:44.58 | pparadis | pythonisacode: because it's a minimal way to quickly determine if data has been corrupted in transit, although sha checksums should be used to verify integrity. |
| 21:45.18 | kevlarman | pythonisacode: the second part you can no longer do with md5sum |
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| 21:45.53 | pparadis | it really is true that people need to stop using md5 right now, but just over the last couple of months i've seen people using it for new development. |
| 21:46.24 | pparadis | actually, people need to fix software that still depends on md5sums for integrity checking, but that's unlikely to happen for some things. |
| 21:46.33 | jagginess | pparadis, checksums are not limitted to isoz.. |
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| 21:46.46 | pparadis | jagginess: you don't say? |
| 21:46.51 | pparadis | jagginess: where did i say they were? |
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| 21:47.10 | pythonisacode | huh |
| 21:47.11 | pythonisacode | ok |
| 21:47.14 | pparadis | stares at code that uses sha512sum |
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| 21:47.46 | kevlarman | even sha1 isn't a great idea |
| 21:47.50 | pparadis | nod |
| 21:47.51 | H4x012 | gusy what do you think aboud CFS to protect debian dedicated server? |
| 21:48.02 | kevlarman | none of the vulnerabilities demonstrated against it are fatal yet |
| 21:48.05 | kevlarman | but they exist |
| 21:48.07 | H4x012 | and what you offer? |
| 21:48.16 | pythonisacode | so does it matter if I use it or not? |
| 21:48.18 | pythonisacode | I'm so tired |
| 21:48.34 | pythonisacode | lol |
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| 21:48.53 | kevlarman | pythonisacode: yes it's a good idea to verify that your image hasn't been corrupted or tampered with before installing it |
| 21:48.55 | VampireTeddyBear | COCK |
| 21:48.56 | pparadis | H4x012: i recommend you learn how to use iptables and ebtables instead of depending on a wrapper. |
| 21:49.18 | VampireTeddyBear | so lets talk sports |
| 21:49.20 | pparadis | H4x012: if you want additional functionality, i suggest looking at intrusion detection system projects. |
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| 21:49.32 | H4x012 | i read about iptables alot of article |
| 21:49.43 | H4x012 | most of them told that... i doesnt work automaticly |
| 21:49.47 | pparadis | huh? |
| 21:49.48 | H4x012 | and many time stop working |
| 21:49.50 | H4x012 | !!!! |
| 21:49.50 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 21:50.19 | H4x012 | but i know that CFS use iptables also |
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| 21:50.32 | pparadis | H4x012: firewall frontends on linux are simply interfaces that generate iptables/ebtables rules. |
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| 21:50.51 | pparadis | H4x012: whoever you were talking to about iptables before had no clue what he was talking about. |
| 21:51.00 | pparadis | rules do not magically disappear or stop working. |
| 21:51.10 | H4x012 | you are right |
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| 21:51.53 | H4x012 | but i think for ppl who doesnt have much time to spend on server... CSF make work much easier |
| 21:51.55 | H4x012 | am i right? |
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| 21:52.30 | pythonisacode | fellas I don't want yopu to think I am stupid but I can't find the netinstall md5checksum |
| 21:52.52 | pparadis | H4x012: my advice stands. if you think you're protecting something that needs network level access control, you need to understand how to use iptables/ebtables. the basics are not difficult to learn. |
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| 21:52.54 | H4x012 | pparadis do you have any good link for IDS? |
| 21:53.09 | H4x012 | yeah right |
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| 21:53.15 | H4x012 | let me talk you in pm |
| 21:53.20 | H4x012 | if you have time |
| 21:53.29 | thewanderer1 | also, CSF is non-free software - no bugfixes from the community |
| 21:53.47 | H4x012 | its free for debian |
| 21:53.54 | H4x012 | i am testing it on webmin |
| 21:54.03 | jordanm | !webmin |
| 21:54.04 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 21:54.06 | pparadis | http://www.tripwire.org/ || http://www.snort.org/ |
| 21:54.06 | H4x012 | yeah |
| 21:54.30 | H4x012 | hahahah |
| 21:54.45 | jordanm | tripwire is a host-based IDS whereas snort is a network-based IDS |
| 21:54.45 | aguitel | how to fix in grub2 duplicate entries ? |
| 21:55.00 | jordanm | if you only have a single exposed server, you won't want snort |
| 21:55.08 | pparadis | jordanm: true, but he didn't specify ;) |
| 21:55.10 | thewanderer1 | H4x012, "free" does not mean "free software" |
| 21:55.24 | kevlarman | jordanm: and my logs are filled with bots attempting to find it :( |
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| 21:55.48 | pparadis | tripwire is probably (i'm guessing) the best bet if he wants to learn about setting up basic IDS stuff. |
| 21:55.49 | thewanderer1 | H4x012, if you insist on using a front-end, Shorewall is good at letting you define rules and enforcing them |
| 21:56.17 | kevlarman | i wonder what amazon uses |
| 21:56.57 | thewanderer1 | kevlarman, considering the vulnerabilities they've presented in the past... nothing springs to mind :P |
| 21:57.13 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: i meant ec2 :\ |
| 21:57.14 | Supaplex | md5s? really? save space, use crc32. |
| 21:57.24 | kevlarman | Supaplex: haha |
| 21:57.28 | thewanderer1 | save space, use a xor of all bits. |
| 21:57.51 | thewanderer1 | checksums of 8 files in 1 byte, dude :P |
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| 21:58.14 | ompaul | !pm |
| 21:58.15 | dpkg | i heard pm is private message (something you don't do without asking for permission first, see <private>), or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron, or provocative/preventative/percussive maintenance, or power management (see <pm debug>) |
| 21:59.05 | pythonisacode | lol there is none |
| 21:59.47 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: the idea is that crc32 is just as likely to catch corruption in transit, and just as useless for detecting tampering |
| 22:00.10 | levi501d | anyone here ever try to get chrome dev and chrome stable to run at the same time? or know of a way to tell apt to install a package in a different directory? |
| 22:00.47 | thewanderer1 | levi501d, compile Chromium from upstream and install in /usr/local |
| 22:00.49 | levi501d | its default install dir is /opt/google, but i was thinking if i could tell apt to change it to opt/google/dev and opt/google/stable |
| 22:01.11 | thewanderer1 | levi501d, not without repackaging if you have this shipped as a .deb file |
| 22:01.20 | levi501d | ahh |
| 22:01.20 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: i'm pretty sure chromium won't even link with under 4gb of ram :D |
| 22:01.28 | levi501d | i have 24 |
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| 22:01.40 | levi501d | so i should be fine ;) |
| 22:02.13 | peterrooney | levi501d: dpkg has options to control install directory |
| 22:02.20 | levi501d | ok thanks i've done the chromium thing but i am trying to get experimental extensions to work and stable doesnt have it and it doesnt seem like chromium dev does either, so i want chrome dev |
| 22:02.29 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: google provides its chrome devs 24gb 12 core (24 virtual) boxen for a reason :P |
| 22:02.44 | levi501d | kk i'll look into that peterrooney thanks |
| 22:02.51 | jelly-home | kevlarman: only 24GB RAM? |
| 22:03.03 | kevlarman | jelly-home: yeah |
| 22:03.09 | levi501d | i know right? i wanted to get more but the wife said no :( |
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| 22:03.13 | jelly-home | how can you even work with that |
| 22:03.17 | levi501d | its tough |
| 22:03.44 | kevlarman | jelly-home: apparently the really ram intensive part is linking, which runs on only 1 core |
| 22:05.28 | kevlarman | hm, 32 is the most you can easily get with consumer class motherboards right? |
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| 22:06.39 | levi501d | no i could have gotten 48 |
| 22:06.45 | levi501d | but it was like 500 bucks more |
| 22:06.48 | levi501d | so the wife shot me down |
| 22:06.52 | levi501d | i cried |
| 22:07.06 | tremon | kevlarman: depends on what you still call consumer-class. There's an Asus board with 16 ddr slots (dual-socket opteron) |
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| 22:07.46 | kevlarman | tremon: if you can stick an opteron in it, it's not consumer class :P |
| 22:08.09 | tremon | :) |
| 22:08.12 | kevlarman | mine has 4 ddr3 slots |
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| 22:13.36 | emss | i think you can stick an opteron in am2/+ and am3/+ motherboards if the bios permits, amd recently released an 8 core 2.4GHz socket am3+ opteron |
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| 22:14.25 | emss | those are "real" cores and not the hybrid stuff that the zambezi or whatever cpus are |
| 22:15.21 | levi501d | hmm the dpkg deal didnt work, same error, chrome already installed, and --unpack doesnt do what i figured it does, just extract all the files |
| 22:15.27 | emss | i.e. not an "apu" |
| 22:17.14 | woshty | is there good documentation on how pam works somewhere? |
| 22:17.26 | tremon | emss: amd doesn't use virtual cores on any of their cpu's. I think you're thinking of the bulldozer architecture, which shares one fpu between every two "real" cores |
| 22:17.55 | tremon | woshty: upstream pam is the best resource I've found, but it's still not easy to grasp |
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| 22:19.20 | tremon | woshty: http://www.linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html |
| 22:19.24 | woshty | tremon: hmm, not good. but i will try anyhow. thank you. |
| 22:19.39 | tremon | maybe http://www.tuxradar.com/content/how-pam-works |
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| 22:20.08 | woshty | i am trying to get something like "virtual" users for sftp .. |
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| 22:21.12 | tremon | pam won't help you there I guess, you need an sftp implementation with a separate user database. Have never tried that though, can't help you |
| 22:21.58 | woshty | tremon: oh, i thought i could do it basically the same way vsftpd does .. |
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| 22:22.15 | tremon | I don't know how vsftp does it... |
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| 22:23.00 | kevlarman | tremon: its own sshd presumably |
| 22:23.00 | qfr | I'm trying to help a Debian user update his system but I don't know what stage he is on |
| 22:23.06 | qfr | What file should he cat? |
| 22:23.11 | thewanderer1 | woshty, just have system users, that's the usual way |
| 22:23.14 | qfr | I think it was something in /etc |
| 22:23.20 | woshty | tremon: i will read the pam docs you posted first .. |
| 22:23.27 | qfr | Like, /etc/debian_release |
| 22:23.38 | kevlarman | qfr: lsb-release? |
| 22:23.42 | qfr | ah, thanks |
| 22:23.43 | tremon | qfr: head /etc/debian_* would do it |
| 22:23.52 | tremon | I have /etc/debian_version |
| 22:23.56 | jparkton | also uname -r |
| 22:24.02 | jparkton | uname -a |
| 22:24.13 | kevlarman | jelly-home: uname generally doesn't contain a useful OS name |
| 22:24.17 | kevlarman | err jparkton * |
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| 22:24.25 | kevlarman | just the kernel |
| 22:24.44 | jparkton | true |
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| 22:26.25 | henaaque | hey guys. can anyone recommend me something similar to webmin? |
| 22:27.01 | pythonisacode | the cli |
| 22:27.15 | jparkton | henaaque, do you need server administration tools or domain management tools? |
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| 22:28.01 | henaaque | jparkton, actually i need both. but i don't mind if i have to use 2 different tools... |
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| 22:29.19 | jparkton | henaaque, have you tried zpanel? |
| 22:29.26 | jparkton | all in one |
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| 22:31.02 | henaaque | jparkton, haven't tried it... but does it modify many system files, like ispconfig does? because i need to test it on a running server... |
| 22:32.26 | jparkton | I would check out their documents |
| 22:32.41 | jparkton | I have used it before but I dont remember off hand |
| 22:32.47 | jparkton | I stick to cli now |
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| 22:46.54 | henaaque | well, they don't even provide instructions for installing zpanel on debian... |
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| 22:54.40 | H4x012 | henaaque |
| 22:54.40 | H4x012 | http://planet.zpanelcp.com/doku.php?id=zpanel_6:articles:installation:debian_installation_script |
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| 22:55.48 | liuyuan | Hello all :) |
| 22:55.54 | dvs | zzzzzzzz |
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| 22:56.05 | liuyuan | I'm trying to connect to my work place with debian's wicd-client |
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| 22:56.53 | liuyuan | I'm using a static ip and a static dns... it works when I configure them in /etc/network/interface, but not when I configure them in wicd-curses |
| 22:57.13 | liuyuan | I want to use wicd to switch between profiles, that way I don't always have to sudo edit interface. |
| 22:58.23 | thewanderer1 | liuyuan: interfaces supports different profiles |
| 22:58.56 | liuyuan | thewanderer1: wow, really? I never knew about this, time to wiki it, thanks! :) |
| 22:59.27 | thewanderer1 | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Switching_Connections |
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| 23:05.04 | dvs | would rather use wpa-roam |
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| 23:12.48 | ksm | How would I check what cipher I'm using for ssh |
| 23:15.01 | ksm | I'm using bloatfish without error, but I don't know at all if it's just falling back to AES or not |
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| 23:16.55 | oss117 | =) |
| 23:17.53 | woshty | ksm: have you tried ssh -vv? bloatfish? |
| 23:18.50 | ksm | erm, blowfish |
| 23:18.53 | ksm | not bloat |
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| 23:19.49 | woshty | ksm: -v is enought .. there are two lines |
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| 23:20.14 | woshty | kex: server->client and kex: client->server |
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| 23:28.19 | tharkun | How do I get rid completeley of a certain package |
| 23:28.45 | pparadis | tharkun: purge? |
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| 23:29.53 | tharkun | feels idiotic |
| 23:30.27 | tharkun | there will not be any remaining config files or directory that is missed? |
| 23:30.45 | pparadis | if anything is preserved, you'll be informed of it. |
| 23:31.03 | tharkun | pparadis: ok thanks |
| 23:31.24 | pparadis | <3 |
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| 23:33.47 | trysten | i've been trying to get a debootstrap system to boot on a HDD connected via USB. grub detects the partitions/files on the disk, but once i load the linux kernel and initrd, linux can only detect the partitions. i can't seem to mount it or even access the partitions (other than a raw dump) |
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| 23:34.53 | Erlkoenig | Hello, is there any documentation about the output format of tar -tf 2/data.tar.bz2 --incremental --verbose --verbose, i.e. what the letters "D","N","Y" mean? |
| 23:36.28 | trysten | i get this error, which i think could relate to the culprit: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed |
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| 23:36.30 | pparadis | Erlkoenig: "man tar" |
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| 23:37.29 | Erlkoenig | i don't find anything about that format in the man page, can you show me where? |
| 23:39.28 | GreenET | Which website is good for downloading ascii art LINUX utilities, such as "banner", "f iglet", etc. ? |
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| 23:40.01 | pparadis | GreenET: http://patorjk.com/software/taag/#p=display&f=Graffiti&t=Type%20Something |
| 23:40.13 | GreenET | pparadis: thank you |
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| 23:41.21 | GreenET | uh, wait . . . I mean I want to download the programs and install them in my /usr/bin/ path. |
| 23:43.19 | diabel | Hi |
| 23:43.25 | pparadis | GreenET: figlet is in the repos --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/figlet |
| 23:43.46 | GreenET | pparadis: thank you |
| 23:43.53 | pparadis | GreenET: apt-get install figlet |
| 23:44.08 | pparadis | GreenET: you need non-free in your sources.list for that, though. |
| 23:44.12 | diabel | that apt-cacher must was writed by some idiot :/ it dosen't work :|, but air-cacher-ng is works ... absurd! |
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| 23:44.51 | GreenET | pparadis: thank you |
| 23:44.54 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 23:45.18 | pparadis | diabel: if you're referring to this, it works just fine --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt-cacher-ng |
| 23:47.16 | diabel | pparadis: thast's what I told, apt-cacher-ng works fine, but apt-cacher don't, some errors 403/401 (but I've got servers in config :|) or I have no tranfer - no internet :| but where is my 10Mbit net? :| |
| 23:47.33 | diabel | it's some joke ... ;/ |
| 23:47.39 | pparadis | diabel: oh, you said "air-cacher-ng" so i was confused. |
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| 23:48.35 | diabel | ;) |
| 23:49.11 | diabel | I want, to use air-cacher but it's not works, so I must use air-cacher-ng |
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| 23:51.08 | diabel | next joke? I can't have 32bit version of wine? wtf? O.o |
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| 23:53.42 | oss117 | =) |
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