| 00:00.06 | jelly-home | Ned Srp 1 00:00:06 UTC 2012 |
| 00:00.07 | Gnarfoz | jelly-home: hm. *shrug* |
| 00:00.18 | pparadis | jelly-home: i've got a system running SL6, which tracks RHEL6 pretty closely, and adjtimex isn't in its repos either. |
| 00:00.22 | brong_ | woot |
| 00:00.24 | pparadis | jelly-home: what repos do you have enbabled? |
| 00:00.26 | pparadis | enabled, even |
| 00:00.38 | jelly-home | pparadis: I... actually have no idea |
| 00:00.44 | brong_ | all fall down |
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| 00:00.56 | pparadis | jelly-home: if anything, SL6 has a lot of additional packages available on top of the standard RHEL6 ones, btw. |
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| 00:01.42 | jelly-home | my poor machine is -986.95 ms incorrect |
| 00:02.10 | dvs | no leap for you! |
| 00:02.10 | pparadis | jelly-home: is your machine i386 or amd64? |
| 00:02.14 | Ephexeve | korkman: Updated flash, same result.. |
| 00:02.50 | pparadis | Gnarfoz: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&search=adjtimex&srodzaj=3 |
| 00:03.03 | linbox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.03 | pparadis | Gnarfoz: RPMs listed there are apparently for i386. |
| 00:03.10 | pparadis | linbox: no space |
| 00:04.22 | Ephexeve | korkman: any output I can paste you? |
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| 00:05.24 | jelly-home | pparadis: x86_64! |
| 00:05.35 | korkman | Ephexeve: let's switch to #linux |
| 00:05.48 | jelly-home | rhel has no puny amd64 |
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| 00:06.03 | pparadis | jelly-home: lol |
| 00:06.45 | pparadis | jelly-home: intel will never, ever live down the fact that AMD did the extensions that they wound up using for their mainstream 64-bit processors. :) |
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| 00:07.27 | jelly-home | and they copied'em badly at that <g> |
| 00:07.32 | pparadis | hehe |
| 00:07.54 | Gnarfoz | can't wrap my head around intel letting AMD do the "better" FMA implementation, either |
| 00:08.23 | Skunnyk | Hum, no leap second crash here |
| 00:08.27 | Gnarfoz | anyway, either the workaround helped for the machines I could get it on in time, or none of mine were affected either way |
| 00:08.28 | Skunnyk | o/ |
| 00:08.51 | Skunnyk | but all my solr instance load oO |
| 00:09.01 | Skunnyk | java bug ? |
| 00:09.07 | Gnarfoz | at least the important stuff is still alive, so unless I get a call tomorrow, or on monday... I guess I'm fine |
| 00:09.43 | pparadis | hopefully you'll be okay, and it won't turn out to be tick tick tick tick boom. |
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| 00:11.41 | Guest71904 | I had some help from you earlier today. My windows would not boot because I deleted a partition with Linux that had booting problem and as it turns out deleted GRUB 2 stage 2 files. Now I installed debian linux back, but it is not booting. Windows are doing fine. I would like Linux to work also. |
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| 00:18.33 | blip2 | ,file policy-rc.d |
| 00:18.38 | scientes | !grubinstall |
| 00:18.38 | sney | Guest71904: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 00:18.39 | judd | Search for policy-rc.d in squeeze/i386: policyrcd-script-zg2: usr/sbin/zg-policy-rc.d |
| 00:19.09 | antivirys | a little to help me fix this?? |
| 00:20.05 | sney | !asj |
| 00:20.05 | dpkg | asj is probably boren's alter ego |
| 00:20.08 | sney | !ask |
| 00:20.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:21.09 | Guest71904 | sney, I worked with zinx and korkman today. Maybe they can help me to boot linux now |
| 00:21.53 | korkman | Guest71904: you're lucky i'm here :-) |
| 00:22.06 | korkman | at what stage does debian stop booting? |
| 00:22.30 | pparadis | Guest71904: no offense, but if sney can't help you (along with the others), there's likely little help for you. |
| 00:22.45 | korkman | what about selecting single user mode (rescue mode or smth.) from the grub menu? |
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| 00:23.13 | Guest71904 | korkman, the last thing I see is 'fully populated' |
| 00:23.15 | sney | pparadis: aw shucks |
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| 00:23.38 | dvs | sney: How much did you pay hijm??? ;-P |
| 00:23.47 | Guest71904 | pparadis, I just think that those I worked with today already know the situation |
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| 00:24.00 | pparadis | sney: i got us a bottle of wine and a fresh pack of rubbers. i'll light the candles while you take a nice bubble bath. |
| 00:24.07 | pparadis | runs |
| 00:24.22 | sney | it's a pretty straightforward situation. you installed windows, the windows installer ate the mbr, you need to install grub again. |
| 00:24.41 | korkman | sney: it's the opposite actually |
| 00:25.23 | korkman | sney: linux can't boot, deleted linux, and with it, grub. now reinstalled linux, can boot windows (probably detected and in grub menu), debian still won't start |
| 00:25.25 | dvs | korkman: you scared him! |
| 00:25.52 | Guest71904 | sney, you gave me /msg dpkg fixmbr , where do I type it?? |
| 00:26.16 | korkman | Guest71904: ignore that your mbr is okay |
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| 00:26.49 | korkman | fully polulated are the last words of something in on console |
| 00:26.53 | korkman | populated |
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| 00:26.58 | korkman | it's getting late here |
| 00:27.22 | korkman | devices fully populated? |
| 00:27.31 | korkman | no /dev is fully populated |
| 00:27.37 | korkman | your initramfs hangs |
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| 00:28.36 | Guest71904 | korkman, waiting for /dev to be fully populated |
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| 00:29.14 | korkman | yeah some driver is loading and telling udev to wait because it may have disks attached, possibly the boot disk |
| 00:29.31 | korkman | detach all usb devices |
| 00:29.34 | korkman | just a wild guess |
| 00:30.06 | Guest71904 | korkman, no usb devices |
| 00:30.31 | korkman | still usb drivers. i reckon i got a similar bug with my usb3 hardware |
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| 00:31.34 | korkman | searches his modules blacklists |
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| 00:32.30 | Guest71904 | korkman, you mean there might be a problem with hardware for linux? |
| 00:32.45 | korkman | Guest71904: more of a "misunderstanding" |
| 00:33.05 | korkman | i'm afraid it has been fixed for me in some kernel update (using wheezy) |
| 00:33.12 | tuxus | Hope someone can help me out. My debian squeeze starts up, but does not get into X. I get [system name] login: At this point, my reg. user or root, cannot login. The only way I can login is choose rescue mode and login as root. Where do I go from here to fix this? |
| 00:33.14 | korkman | so i deleted the blacklisted module |
| 00:33.49 | korkman | Guest71904: you can narrow down the bad driver by disabling components in bios |
| 00:34.18 | korkman | Guest71904: usb, firewire, floppy |
| 00:34.32 | korkman | Guest71904: even if nothing connected |
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| 00:35.20 | korkman | Guest71904: plan B install a more recent kernel (using a live cd and chroot, unfortunately) |
| 00:35.33 | sney | tuxus, can you get to a login shell by hitting ctrl-alt-f1? at that point you can install, depending on your issue, a desktop environment or a video driver |
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| 00:36.25 | tuxus | sney: nope. I mean, I can get there, but it's the same result. |
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| 00:36.36 | sney | no keyboard input? |
| 00:37.00 | Guest71904 | korkman, I have never done that before. Not sure if should mess with it . Why a live CD? |
| 00:37.16 | tuxus | yes, but neither root nor reg user is being authenticated. I get some output, as if it's to start a session and then drops back to the login prompt |
| 00:37.35 | korkman | Guest71904: well your debian doesn't boot - how else would you edit it? |
| 00:38.26 | tuxus | sney: this isn't a new install... my system hung on a normal update, became unresponsive and I hard-reset the system. |
| 00:38.57 | calrogman | You didn't try sshing in and doing a proper shutdown?... |
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| 00:39.12 | Guest71904 | korkman, I have debian rescue.iso on CD. Would that work? |
| 00:39.28 | calrogman | PSA: Always try SSHing into unresponsive systems. It could save your filesystems. |
| 00:39.30 | sney | hard-resetting a modern desktop is not really an issue |
| 00:39.35 | tuxus | calrogman: nope. sorry. |
| 00:39.42 | sney | but, yeah, it could help if you have multiple computers |
| 00:39.52 | tuxus | sney: didn't think so either - never had a real issue doing so |
| 00:40.06 | tuxus | no chance of sshing into it |
| 00:40.12 | korkman | Guest71904: eh, well, it would probably do the job. it's only that i'm used to more feature-rich live cds like systemrescuecd or grml (grml is debian based, so best choice i think) |
| 00:40.31 | sney | tuxus, so, you were updating and it locked up, do you remember if it was in the downloading part of the process or the installing/replacing part? |
| 00:40.32 | korkman | Guest71904: but mount, chroot, aptitude |
| 00:40.33 | tuxus | I do notice a whole bunch of floating point exception notifications... |
| 00:40.44 | korkman | Guest71904: should be okay with debian rescue |
| 00:40.47 | calrogman | Y'say that sney, but while the disk is being written to, like during and aptitude upgrade, I'd rather not take the risk. |
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| 00:41.03 | calrogman | s/and/an/ |
| 00:41.09 | tuxus | sney: installing - It looked like it was completely done, I was waiting for the "green light" that it was completed when I realized that the lights were on, but no-one home. |
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| 00:42.48 | sney | tuxus, well, if you can log in as root in rescue mode, try getting your network connection up at that point and then running 'aptitude -f install' - it might slap everything back together. it's what I would try |
| 00:42.50 | korkman | Guest71904: i'll post the plan again: boot from live cd, mount the installed debian, get network online, chroot into debian, modify apt sources to include backports, upgrade kernel to latest available (3.2 i think), add linux-firmware, too |
| 00:43.10 | Guest55938 | Hello there Debian folks. Is there anyone gere who has done dist-upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze on mdadm boot partition? |
| 00:43.11 | korkman | Guest71904: and now i must sleep :-) |
| 00:43.12 | tuxus | sney: I'll try the -f option |
| 00:43.13 | Blwch | Hi, guys. Can anyone give my site config a quick once-over to check I haven't done anything wrong? Using nginx w/ PHP-FPM: http://pastebin.com/MQ22b2c3 |
| 00:43.40 | calrogman | I imagine there's an #nginx channel for this sort of thing Blwch. |
| 00:43.58 | Guest71904 | korkman, thanks. Have a good night. |
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| 00:44.05 | korkman | Guest71904: c ya |
| 00:44.15 | yann2 | surprised noone is talking about this leap second bug mayhem here :) |
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| 00:44.24 | Blwch | calrogman: I asked in there, but it's pretty quiet, so I thought I'd ask in here just for good measure. |
| 00:44.40 | Blwch | (Not that I'm in a rush or am inpatient!) |
| 00:45.34 | sney | I would but my brain doesn't parse nginx conf files |
| 00:45.37 | calrogman | Fair enough. Looks good to me. |
| 00:45.37 | Guest55938 | Blwch: You're looking for some bad lines that stop nginx from working? |
| 00:45.45 | egp_ | hey. I installed squeeze and startx is missing. What should i install to have it? Logs seem to not show anything suspicious |
| 00:45.49 | calrogman | Easiest way to check it would be to let it lose. :-) |
| 00:45.52 | Guest55938 | Or You just want to make sure? |
| 00:46.05 | sney | yann2, if centos's social channel is any indication, anyone with a squeeze machine and that bug is currently locked up at 100% cpu |
| 00:46.07 | dvs | egp_: it depends what gui you want |
| 00:46.14 | Blwch | Guest55938: Just want to make sure I haven't made some mistake that will result in some vulnerability or something. |
| 00:46.20 | tuxus | sney: that didn't work... "Errors were encountered while processing: install-info" |
| 00:46.27 | egp_ | dvs: I would prefer gnome for now |
| 00:46.39 | sney | tuxus, the last error doesn't mean much - pastebin the whole log if you can |
| 00:46.42 | dvs | egp_: Then "aptitude install gnome" |
| 00:46.50 | dvs | as root |
| 00:46.54 | tuxus | sney: yikes... from cli? |
| 00:46.56 | Guest55938 | Blwch: You could also add some rules for static file serving, for better performance. |
| 00:47.03 | sney | actually, task-gnome-desktop would be a better call egp_ |
| 00:47.09 | Blwch | Guest55938: I'll look into that, thanks. |
| 00:47.15 | sney | !pastebinit |
| 00:47.15 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 00:47.18 | sney | tuxus, ^ |
| 00:47.32 | tuxus | mmm... lemme read |
| 00:47.58 | calrogman | tuxus: You can scroll IRC up if you have to... :-P |
| 00:48.13 | yann2 | sney, yeah, looking at the graphs at my previous company, their admins should be getting dressed by now :) |
| 00:48.22 | tuxus | I can't get pastebinit installed.. same error |
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| 00:49.28 | sney | I have to go, maybe someone else can help you |
| 00:49.33 | tuxus | yup |
| 00:49.37 | tuxus | thx |
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| 00:50.30 | calrogman | Wait, there was a leap-second bug? :-P |
| 00:50.48 | dvs | calrogman: you missed the end of the world! |
| 00:51.13 | jelly-home | Y2012.5 bug! |
| 00:51.16 | calrogman | idles in #centos-social for amusing anecdotes |
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| 00:51.43 | jelly-home | Dear Mayans: i am disappoint. |
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| 00:51.57 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:59.13 | WinstonSmith | jelly-home: haha :) |
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| 00:59.53 | calrogman | Haha, wow. Reddit's down. I wonder why?... |
| 01:00.05 | dvs | gasps |
| 01:00.16 | krisfremen | electric storm |
| 01:00.30 | dvs | darn debby! |
| 01:00.39 | calrogman | Oh, here's a quote from their twitter from a few days ago: "we're trying turning it off and on again. back in a few." |
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| 01:00.55 | krisfremen | calrogman: instagram also failed today |
| 01:01.05 | jelly-home | not redundant ENOUGH |
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| 01:01.33 | calrogman | This is why I run all my mission critical server on Debian Unstable. |
| 01:01.35 | jelly-home | I bet the windows people are laughing! |
| 01:02.00 | calrogman | Nah, the Windows people are too busy going out and socialising. |
| 01:02.05 | dvs | jelly-home: But they're a second ahead! |
| 01:02.08 | calrogman | Whatever that means. |
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| 01:05.30 | raz | yay leapsecond |
| 01:05.46 | nkuttler | no problems here |
| 01:05.58 | raz | crashed 51 of our edge servers |
| 01:06.05 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:06.32 | raz | in fact, 40 have java spinning at 100% cpu, rolling those |
| 01:06.36 | raz | the rest is not pinging anymore |
| 01:06.41 | calrogman | Shoulda been running them on Debian Unstable. |
| 01:06.43 | raz | and i have tons of these from almost all hosts: vmstat[18669] trap divide error ip:401c8c sp:7fff4f5c9d30 error:0 in vmstat[400000+5000] |
| 01:06.51 | jelly-home | for once I'm glad I did not make time to upgrade to 2.6.32 |
| 01:07.18 | raz | whoever invented leapseconds should be shot |
| 01:07.21 | jelly-home | calrogman: you shouldn't even joke about that |
| 01:07.42 | dvs | raz: Oh! My server is doing that too! |
| 01:07.48 | nkuttler | raz: good luck shooting nature |
| 01:07.50 | jelly-home | leap seconds are fine, but machines ought to run on TAI not UTC |
| 01:07.52 | calrogman | Have fun dvs! |
| 01:08.06 | dvs | calrogman: pfft! I can restart my server. |
| 01:08.21 | dvs | it's probably tomcat |
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| 01:09.26 | dvs | 21:09:12 up 5 days, 5:04, 1 user, load average: 22.85, 22.29, 22.06 |
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| 01:09.50 | calrogman | So here I am, staring at the reddit downtime page. Ctrl+T, Ctrl+L, reddit.com, Enter. |
| 01:09.54 | calrogman | I feel dumb now. |
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| 01:11.35 | yann2 | reminder: do not try to film thunderstorms :( http://waste.mandragor.org/eclair.jpg |
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| 01:13.37 | egp_ | dvs, sney - thank you , it helped |
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| 01:18.02 | jelly-home | dvs: squeeze kernel? |
| 01:18.48 | jelly-home | raz: that division by zero error could just be a bug in vmstat |
| 01:19.05 | raz | jelly-home: yeh well, i'm seeing lots of kernels going into a deadloop |
| 01:19.35 | raz | jelly-home: https://img.skitch.com/20120701-q2ugjn1draaymrrs4gbitnheti.png |
| 01:19.46 | dvs | jelly-home: yup |
| 01:19.49 | raz | is on a reboot binge |
| 01:20.33 | jelly-home | raz: what's that image from, monit? Can't read heads or tails out of it |
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| 01:20.37 | deadmund | What is the command that automatically generates an xorg.conf file? xorgconfig isn't a command and Xorg -configure yells that an instance of the xserver is already running |
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| 01:21.14 | raz | jelly-home: sorry, munin: https://img.skitch.com/20120701-ttqh4we2upr2his9tn85n75jtc.png |
| 01:21.26 | jelly-home | deadmund: tell Xorg to run as server :1 |
| 01:21.30 | raz | that's one of the 3 patterns i'm seeing |
| 01:21.39 | jelly-home | raz: yeah. I meant munin |
| 01:22.28 | deadmund | jelly-home, Xorg :1 -configure like that?? |
| 01:23.19 | engla | calrogman: unstable is not enough, kernel in experimental would be needed |
| 01:23.26 | jelly-home | deadmund: can't remember. Check the manual. |
| 01:24.05 | jelly-home | engla: 3.2.21 is buggy? I think a fix for -stable from March would be long applied there. |
| 01:25.19 | engla | jelly-home: ah well, I just know it's in 3.4 mainline |
| 01:25.31 | calrogman | Cool, so when is my computer gonna crash? It's running ntpd and an apparently afflicted kernel. I'm 02:23, TZ=Europe/London. |
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| 01:25.50 | deadmund | jelly-home, Xorg :1 -configure like that?? |
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| 01:27.26 | jelly-home | deadmund: again, it's something similar but I don't remember. Check the Xorg server manual. |
| 01:27.58 | deadmund | jelly-home, thanks for responding twice. I lost the connection and missed the first time you responded |
| 01:28.09 | jelly-home | no problem |
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| 01:35.42 | engla | jelly-home: the oft-linked serverfault article mentions 3.2.21 being buggy (does not mention debian) |
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| 01:37.05 | jelly-home | yeah, 3.2.x stable maintainer (also, under a different hat, one of Debian kernel maintainers) seems not to have applied it http://lkml.org/lkml/2012/6/19/167 |
| 01:38.07 | deadmund | I can't create an xorg.conf file but I don't understand the error that is occuring. Can somebody help me out here? http://paste.debian.net/177159/ |
| 01:38.21 | dvs | oops |
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| 01:39.47 | jelly-home | deadmund: it... crashed, but it also created /root/xorg.conf.new ? |
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| 01:40.34 | jelly-home | falls asleep |
| 01:40.40 | crane | hi, i have tagged tcp pakets with an value with iptables and connmark... how can i add now a rule so that these pakets are using another gateway/device? |
| 01:41.07 | deadmund | jelly-home, indeed, why did it place xorg.conf.new in /root ? Because it crashed? |
| 01:41.32 | deadmund | jelly-home, more importantly, why did it crash? I tried to use radeon, which is good for this card. What caused the crash? |
| 01:43.21 | jelly-home | deadmund: the file placement is normal for -configure. Dunno why it crashed. Perhaps you need newer xorg and newer video-radeon driver for your card. |
| 01:43.59 | deadmund | jelly-home, well I'm running Debian 6.0 (stable). Why isn't /etc/X11/xorg.conf the normal place? |
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| 01:44.32 | jelly-home | deadmund: because then running Xorg -configure would overwrite any current config! |
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| 01:44.54 | jelly-home | thus, a config file generation never writes there. |
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| 01:46.37 | deadmund | jelly-home, good reason, perhaps I should cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart x (ctrl + alt + delete still works?) and see what happens! :) |
| 01:46.41 | ksm | Well, in my experience, you don't really need a configuration file unless you have to override something |
| 01:46.53 | deadmund | ksm, I'm trying to set up two finger scroll on the trackpad |
| 01:46.54 | ksm | for X I mean |
| 01:46.57 | deadmund | ksm, So I need one. |
| 01:46.58 | ksm | oh |
| 01:47.01 | deadmund | yeah :) |
| 01:47.03 | ksm | then you need uh |
| 01:47.08 | deadmund | i need... |
| 01:47.09 | ksm | sec, I forget the command |
| 01:47.22 | deadmund | ksm, if you can simplify this that would be AWESOME :) |
| 01:47.55 | ksm | synclient |
| 01:48.10 | ksm | I don't have two finger scroll, but I believe synclient if for that too |
| 01:48.13 | jelly-home | deadmund: /msg dpkg synaptics; /msg dpkg clickpad perhaps. If you decide to try newer xorg, /msg dpkg bdo xorg |
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| 01:48.40 | ksm | To enable tap click and side scrolling I have a small script that runs a few synclient commands |
| 01:48.48 | ksm | so I'm pretty sure you're looking for synclient |
| 01:49.11 | geekbri | anybody else having servers blow up because of this leap second |
| 01:49.13 | geekbri | ? |
| 01:49.24 | deadmund | ksm, thank you I'll look into that |
| 01:49.52 | dvs | geekbri: Mine did. The load went up to 22. |
| 01:49.52 | raz | geekbri: yes |
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| 01:50.23 | geekbri | Yeah i've got about 150 servers with a load average thast way too high. Does bouncing the machines fix the issue, or does ntpd just have to be disabled all together? |
| 01:50.25 | ksm | deadmund: what? |
| 01:50.32 | raz | geekbri: reboot fixes it for me |
| 01:50.40 | dvs | same here |
| 01:50.41 | deadmund | ksm, i'll check out synclient |
| 01:50.48 | jhw | reboot fixes for me too, are there other solutions than that? |
| 01:50.49 | raz | also i think ntpd isn't to blame |
| 01:50.54 | raz | the leapsecond was inserted by the kernel, no? |
| 01:51.08 | raz | ntpd would probably have done the smarter thing and just slowed/accelerated time |
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| 01:51.23 | raz | i wonder who came up with the idea of actually INSERTING that second |
| 01:51.27 | raz | that person better never meet me |
| 01:51.35 | engla | raz: isn't that what ntpd -x does ? |
| 01:51.41 | geekbri | sigh |
| 01:51.51 | jhw | @raz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second |
| 01:51.58 | raz | engla: i have no idea, but it's 3:50am here on a saturday and i've been recovering servers since 2am.. |
| 01:52.00 | WinstonSmith | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1203.1/04598.html #ntpd does it |
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| 01:52.22 | raz | that has to be the dumbest implementation choice all week |
| 01:52.36 | WinstonSmith | agress |
| 01:52.39 | jhw | ruined my sleep :/ |
| 01:52.42 | WinstonSmith | erm agrees |
| 01:52.54 | jhw | trying to figure out if theres a different way than to reboot our production servers |
| 01:52.55 | geekbri | Awesome, the best part about this leap second crap is that it happens to fall on a saturday AND my brithday |
| 01:52.57 | geekbri | birthday |
| 01:53.06 | geekbri | jhw: if you find anything out, please share |
| 01:53.09 | jhw | happy birthday |
| 01:53.09 | WinstonSmith | hehe |
| 01:53.16 | jhw | geekbri: i will |
| 01:53.20 | WinstonSmith | yeah that too :) |
| 01:53.25 | engla | jhw: you've seen this? http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-today |
| 01:53.43 | calrogman | Everybody's seen that engla. |
| 01:53.56 | geekbri | God i hate time. |
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| 01:54.11 | deadmund | synclient -l suggests I don't have a synaptics driver loaded. modprobe synaptics_i2c works fine. Then I notice that there is no synaptics device in the output of lspci -k ! How do I get Debian to see my synaptics device? (curiously, it is working) |
| 01:54.12 | engla | well, jhw asked if there's a way other than reboot and it's mentioned there a possibility |
| 01:54.15 | engla | calrogman: ^ |
| 01:54.34 | calrogman | Ah, okay, didn't see that. |
| 01:54.43 | jhw | engla: seems like that only puts off the problem |
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| 01:55.26 | calrogman | geekbri: Here, have a relevant and awesome poem: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Poems_of_Mr._John_Milton,_Both_English_and_Latin,_Compos%27d_at_several_times/On_Time |
| 01:55.49 | geekbri | This is insane. |
| 01:55.54 | engla | jhw: I don't think so. you'll lose time syncronization and a leap second for today |
| 01:56.01 | engla | but you can have it back later |
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| 02:05.27 | multi_io | is anyone having problems since the leap second? |
| 02:05.38 | geekbri | multi_io: Id like to deliver somebody a swift blow to the beanbag for it |
| 02:06.14 | Gnarfoz | multi_io: reddit is :D |
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| 02:07.17 | calrogman | I'm still awake at 3 in the morning, though I'm not sure I can attribute that to the leap second, multi_io |
| 02:07.18 | multi_io | on my desktop machine, chrome, firefox, thunderbird and eclipse all consume large amounts of CPU all the time, even with just an empty pages to display (in the case of chrome/firefox). |
| 02:07.38 | multi_io | I can't be more specific :P |
| 02:08.20 | teratorn | multi_io: just all of a sudden? |
| 02:08.55 | multi_io | Could this be related? I didn't see this before the leap second I think |
| 02:09.19 | teratorn | anythings posible |
| 02:09.29 | teratorn | my opera freaked out earlier |
| 02:09.34 | teratorn | it was odd |
| 02:10.18 | ksm | None of my machines noticed the leap second; My server doesn't have ntp (until I installed just now), My laptop rebooted about the same time, and my desktop is off |
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| 02:11.30 | raz | phew, seems we've recovered all affected host |
| 02:11.45 | raz | interestingly it didn't hit all hosts, even if they're running the same kernel |
| 02:11.56 | raz | i sure hope those "spared" hosts don't start acting up later |
| 02:12.15 | multi_io | all dmesg said is "Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC" |
| 02:12.18 | calrogman | Hey, just wondering, why did Debian go with avutils rather than ffmpeg? |
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| 02:14.01 | geekbri | sigh |
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| 02:18.21 | jelly-home | multi_io: that's it. Just reboot. |
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| 02:20.23 | jelly-home | calrogman: best ask the debian multimedia package maintainers team. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/ |
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| 02:20.57 | multi_io | jelly-home: yeah, I think I will. Both chrome and firefox, started with emptied configs, consume 75% CPU permanently. No syscalls according to strace. Very strange. |
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| 02:27.17 | crane | hmm... i tagged a paket with a value, i added a new table with the specific fw rule, i insert into this table a new default rule for these pakets with a value... but still the pakets are leaving over my default route... can somebody help me? |
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| 03:15.49 | buhman | while trying to do an apt-get update, I'm told: http://sprunge.us/AXTW |
| 03:15.53 | buhman | I already have "APT::Cache-Limit "100000000";" in /etc/apt.conf |
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| 03:18.35 | deadmund | How can I easily test my new /etc/X11/xorg.conf without rebooting the machine. Keep in mind I don't have any extra tty's to switch to if it's a bad xorg? |
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| 03:19.42 | krisfremen | deadmund: ssh into the machine, /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 03:20.34 | deadmund | krisfremen, clever, except I'm at school and I only have wifi (which I cannot connect to if it doesn't boot) |
| 03:21.12 | krisfremen | why no extra ttys? |
| 03:21.13 | deadmund | krisfremen, mmm, maybe I'll just have to set up a small lan for this machine |
| 03:21.25 | deadmund | It's a powerbook g4 and it only has one tty at the moment |
| 03:21.30 | deadmund | trying to figure that out as well. Many issues! |
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| 03:23.01 | deadmund | I can use the live CD (debian install CD) to fix the xorg.conf file if it doesn't boot. |
| 03:23.01 | deadmund | Maybe I'll get more ttys |
| 03:23.31 | nrdb | I have a system running 'lenny' I would like to install a package... but the sources.list needs to be changed... I tried "deb http://www.debian.org/debian-archive/ lenny main contrib non-free" ... but that doesn't appear to work :( ... what should I use. |
| 03:24.47 | Alam_Squeeze | I have a lenny source as "deb http://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu/debian-archive/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib" |
| 03:25.14 | deadmund | I do have multiple ttys!! They're under fn + ctrl + alt + fX |
| 03:25.15 | deadmund | :P |
| 03:25.30 | Alam_Squeeze | heh |
| 03:25.35 | nrdb | Alam_Squeeze, I will try that. |
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| 03:33.19 | nrdb | Alam_Squeeze, That seems to be working fine... thanks. |
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| 03:35.27 | deadmund | The touchpad on my mac is not recognized in the output of egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices and also, no synaptics device is recognized in lspci |
| 03:35.34 | deadmund | how does one fix this? |
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| 03:37.52 | deadmund | ahh, ignore me |
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| 03:38.05 | Rusty1 | aptitude search synaptics |
| 03:39.59 | deadmund | Rusty1, yeah, I'm reading now the issue is that it's a powerbook g4 and the touchpad is an appletouch not a synaptics device. Reading more now... Like I said, ignore me :P |
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| 04:05.31 | deadmund | Trying to follow this guide to use the appletouch driver (interfaced by the synaptics driver) but my x crashes on the 'mouse' line in the serverLayout section : http://www.popies.net/atp/index.html |
| 04:06.25 | deadmund | here is a paste to my complete xorg.conf anybody see any problems? http://paste.debian.net/177173/ |
| 04:08.41 | deadmund | (now you should stop ignoring me) |
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| 04:13.51 | Rusty1 | dunno deadmund , whilst waiting here might ask over on #xorg or #debian-ppc |
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| 04:22.44 | deadmund | nobody cares about little 'ol me ! |
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| 04:24.27 | sney | deadmund, well, it might need more than just protocol "auto", though I'm not sure what to use instead |
| 04:25.06 | deadmund | sney, that part was actually automatically generated |
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| 04:25.12 | sney | you also have 2 sections for an input device on /dev/input/mice and it might be conflicting |
| 04:25.34 | deadmund | sney, thanks for the pointer, I'll try removing the auto-generated (shorter) one |
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| 04:25.38 | bnmorgan | what's the correct way to shutdown from terminal without screwing something up? |
| 04:25.56 | sney | xorg.conf is some pretty serious voodoo. It's more recommended these days to just take the sections you need and put them in individual files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and let X autodetect the rest |
| 04:26.08 | dvs | bnmorgan: shutdown -h 1 |
| 04:26.35 | deadmund | sney, for reals |
| 04:26.40 | bnmorgan | dvs: thank you. explanation so that i understand and it sticks in my thick head? |
| 04:26.54 | deadmund | bnmorgan, shutdown -h <x> ? |
| 04:26.56 | deadmund | duh? |
| 04:27.07 | bnmorgan | very very new to linux |
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| 04:27.23 | sney | 'man shutdown' |
| 04:27.35 | bnmorgan | and hosed up my image about 5 times now by pulling power at wrong time |
| 04:27.37 | bnmorgan | ty |
| 04:28.21 | deadmund | hahaha |
| 04:28.27 | deadmund | bnmorgan, use the shutdown command |
| 04:28.48 | dvs | bnmorgan: -h shuts down the system to stop it, -r reboots the system. The number is the number of minutes to wait or "now" to shut it down immediately |
| 04:28.52 | deadmund | brb |
| 04:28.55 | bnmorgan | err...how do i escape the manual |
| 04:29.21 | dvs | bnmorgan: man shutdown |
| 04:29.32 | bnmorgan | i'm in man shutdown |
| 04:30.11 | sney | 'q' |
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| 04:30.40 | bnmorgan | dang i have a lot of stuff to learn |
| 04:31.44 | sney | !refcard |
| 04:31.44 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 04:32.35 | bnmorgan | !! thank you |
| 04:32.39 | bnmorgan | bows |
| 04:33.01 | ksm | Ah the 3.4.4 kernel |
| 04:33.07 | ksm | load averages of 1.01 on idle. |
| 04:33.27 | dvs | that's high |
| 04:33.29 | dvs | to me |
| 04:33.30 | ksm | why does this keep happening to me |
| 04:34.08 | ksm | Same .config or a slightly modified one, whenever I use kernels => 3.2, I get weird load averages |
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| 05:12.33 | ksm | ACPI Error: [^^^GFX0.GPPO] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20120320/psargs-359) |
| 05:12.36 | ksm | what would this be |
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| 05:35.44 | Blue1 | !wheezy |
| 05:35.44 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 05:36.13 | Blue1 | just wanted to know a release date |
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| 05:36.54 | dondelelcaro | Blue1: we don't have release dates until immediately before we release |
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| 05:37.25 | Blue1 | dondelelcaro: i heard they were supposed to freeze it as of today. |
| 05:37.26 | dondelelcaro | some people amuse themselves by making projections, but that's all they are |
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| 05:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Blue1: we just froze, yes. |
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| 05:37.43 | Blue1 | dondelelcaro: woo hoo |
| 05:37.50 | dondelelcaro | but that's not a release |
| 05:38.10 | Blue1 | dondelelcaro: are there any beta releases to be had anywhere? |
| 05:38.37 | dondelelcaro | Blue1: testing is the beta release |
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| 05:39.20 | Blue1 | dondelelcaro: let me re-ask the question -- where could I download a beta of wheezy? |
| 05:39.59 | dondelelcaro | Blue1: you can use the d-i testing images to install wheezy, or you can install stable and upgrade to wheezy |
| 05:40.36 | Blue1 | dondelelcaro: hmm |
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| 05:42.36 | diverdude | How often is contents of /tmp deleted? |
| 05:42.51 | bfig | is there a way to write some automatic flags inside a makefile for the make command? |
| 05:43.05 | bfig | ie, i want to run make -j 4 always, how can i do it but only writing "make" |
| 05:43.09 | stew | diverdude: at every boot. how much gets cleaned depends on the setting in /etc/default/rcS which defaults to deleting everything |
| 05:43.12 | Blue1 | dondelelcaro: this is what I was looking for: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:43.18 | thomas`- | Hey all. I have a debian console open on my screen (without GUI manager) and I want to adjust it to fit my screen size properly because currently inside my vm I need to use the scrollbar. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 05:43.40 | stew | Blue1: make sure to check the errata before using a testing installer, often they are completely broken. the more sure way is to upgrade from stable |
| 05:43.44 | aidalgol | I'm stuck in dependency hell trying to install Evolution. |
| 05:44.11 | Blue1 | stew: i will put it in a vbox - still alpha but would like to see what it looks like. |
| 05:45.00 | Blue1 | stew: as a course...I never upgrade -- I always do a fresh install -- upgrades have proven to be problematic -- YMMV applies |
| 05:46.09 | aidalgol | Actually, I'm stuck in dependency hell just trying to fully upgrade gnome. |
| 05:46.41 | stew | aidalgol: show us |
| 05:47.07 | aidalgol | stew: What data are you interested in, exactly? |
| 05:47.13 | stew | aidalgol: /msg dpkg bat |
| 05:47.22 | stew | Blue1: testing installers have proven more problematic than upgrades |
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| 05:50.28 | aidalgol | How do I list all packaged on hold? |
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| 05:50.55 | aidalgol | I had to put the texlive packages on hold because I can't download that much right now. |
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| 06:02.31 | aidalgol | stew: Output of aptitude safe-upgrade <http://paste.debian.net/177180/> |
| 06:02.38 | stew | aidalgol: aptitude search "~ahold" or "dpkg --get-sections | grep hold" |
| 06:02.38 | aidalgol | s/safe/full/ |
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| 06:03.18 | daniel-s | I just updated to wheezy from squeeze |
| 06:03.23 | daniel-s | what the shit happened to gnome? |
| 06:03.48 | stew | daniel-s: you'll have to ask a more specific question |
| 06:03.56 | aidalgol | Packages on hold: http://paste.debian.net/177181/ |
| 06:04.02 | stew | aidalgol: you have broken packages, you should try "aptitude -f install" first |
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| 06:04.26 | stew | aidalgol: but also, what happens when you say "n" to that question? |
| 06:04.48 | aidalgol | stew: I think those are packages that depend on a newer version of texlive, which I put on hold. |
| 06:05.02 | stew | what happens when you say "n"? |
| 06:05.14 | daniel-s | gnome has been horribly disfigured moving from v2 to v3 |
| 06:05.14 | aidalgol | I went threw over 10 alternate solutions; and none were any cleaner. |
| 06:05.34 | stew | aidalgol: try fixing the broken packages frist |
| 06:05.36 | stew | first* |
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| 06:05.48 | aidalgol | stew: OK, I'll have to download, er, quite a bit then. |
| 06:05.52 | aidalgol | I'll come back then. |
| 06:05.55 | stew | why? |
| 06:06.14 | stew | "aptitude -f install" wants to download a lot? |
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| 06:35.30 | neo^ | leap second! Lenny systems crashed? |
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| 06:49.31 | morteza_ipo | how to add several group for a dir ? |
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| 06:56.17 | Grauwolf | Neo, the little workaround that worked for me: date -s "`date -u`" |
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| 06:57.08 | Grauwolf | (will set the system time to utc) |
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| 07:09.41 | t3a | Did all of the debian servers go down? |
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| 07:13.41 | antithesis | Hello |
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| 07:15.53 | antithesis | I just installed Debian and it's slow and unresponsive. Icecat crashes when I visit a page with ads on it, and just now my whole X stopped responding when I opened urxvt. Does anyone know what that could be? |
| 07:16.54 | aidalgol | Still in dependency hell: http://paste.debian.net/177185/ http://paste.debian.net/177187/ |
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| 07:20.17 | SuperPhly | Running a fairly clean/new install of Debian Stable... the sole java server is now crashing the system pretty badly for about 30m. |
| 07:20.18 | ompaul | antithesis: (A) what version of debian (B) what kind of machine did you install it on (C) apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <<< after you answer (A) and (BN) |
| 07:20.35 | SuperPhly | It started a couple of days ago, do you think it could be a leap second issue? |
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| 07:21.44 | tremon | aidalgol: you can (r)eject solution proposals in aptitude |
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| 07:22.59 | aidalgol | tremon: That paste shows the next several alternate solutions (upon rejecting each). |
| 07:23.11 | aidalgol | None are very clean solutions. |
| 07:23.18 | tremon | aidalgol: you didn't reject anything, you just said (n)o |
| 07:23.32 | aidalgol | Wait, what's rejecting then? |
| 07:24.15 | antithesis | Hm, apt-get upgrade gives an error now, I probably need to solve that first. It's a machine I bought 5 years back, with and Athlon processor, and the version is Squeeze Xfce+lxde |
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| 07:25.10 | antithesis | But since it was slow from the beginning, can I assume it's a hardware incompatibility? |
| 07:25.21 | tremon | aidalgol: run the aptitude command again, when aptitude asks whether you accept, type "r 3" instead of "n" |
| 07:26.09 | aidalgol | tremon: ah. Is this rejecting good idea? |
| 07:26.15 | tremon | then "r 4", then "n". At the very least, that will prevent aptitude from coming up with insane solutions |
| 07:26.51 | sirtophat | so aptitude can't be trusted not to break the system? |
| 07:27.14 | tremon | aidalgol: well, your other solution is to wade through the hundreds of very similar solutions that aptitude comes up with |
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| 07:27.57 | tremon | sirtophat: you shouldn't trust any software. But like other good software, aptitude asks for confirmation before proceeding |
| 07:28.27 | aidalgol | Hmm, it still wants to remove several gnome packages. |
| 07:28.52 | tremon | aidalgol: that's possible, gnome-utils-common doesn't exist in wheezy anymore |
| 07:29.32 | sirtophat | well if you're using xfce you don't need gnome I'd think |
| 07:29.33 | tremon | hrm scratch that, it doesn't exist on my machine, but it does in the archive... wtf? |
| 07:30.05 | tremon | ah, it's in stable and sid, but not in testing |
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| 07:31.54 | tremon | aidalgol: for other options, press ? at the aptitude prompt. Many options exist for you to guide aptitude's solution (like holding packages etc) |
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| 07:53.18 | raptor67682 | do you know maybe a modern applications with windows under tty console? |
| 07:53.57 | ompaul | raptor67682: failure to be parsed means failure to even try answer the the question |
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| 07:55.09 | tremon | raptor67682: X11 forwarding over serial line tends to be very slow |
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| 07:58.11 | rozie | maybe he meant screen? or any curses app? |
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| 08:05.03 | raptor67682 | hi. I would have liked to have sthg better than screen for the console |
| 08:05.20 | raptor67682 | rozie: sthg that would have some windows like under a console environment |
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| 08:05.42 | raptor67682 | I like screen for sure... but why not to use the console like we were doing with the DrDos in the past |
| 08:05.46 | raptor67682 | that was cool. |
| 08:06.06 | raptor67682 | There is a lot of admins, ... persons that code daily without x11, and use basically only screen |
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| 08:06.29 | raptor67682 | why not a system with "tty"/ drdos - like windows? |
| 08:06.51 | divbell | turbovision 4eva |
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| 08:14.53 | rozie | raptor67682: admins usually use normal desktop and CLI and have no need to run poor console windows |
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| 08:16.38 | homes | screen is pretty good, has window naming, vertical and horizontal splitting |
| 08:16.50 | homes | not sure what else i want |
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| 08:18.04 | raptor67682 | rozie: well, I was thinking for when you are distant with only a SSH |
| 08:18.31 | raptor67682 | rozie: Maybe I use too much ssh and the console compared to others :) |
| 08:18.43 | raptor67682 | rozie: I favour a lot the console. you dont ? |
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| 08:19.13 | p342 | hey guys |
| 08:19.28 | rozie | I do most things through SSH, not only for servers, but also for desktop. and have no need in "windows" in CLI |
| 08:19.32 | p342 | is there any apliaction like kde-supercaramba for xcfe4 ? |
| 08:19.41 | colun | Hello, I search a debian package of pure-ftpd 1.0.32+ for debian squeeze, I won't upgrade to wheezy. Thanks. |
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| 08:20.12 | rozie | I use GUI mainly for mail, RSS and WWW. and running konsoles of course |
| 08:20.27 | rozie | colun: have you tried backports? |
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| 08:20.57 | colun | rozie : no package in backports |
| 08:21.52 | colun | rozie: packages only in squeeze, wheezy and sid |
| 08:21.56 | nimred | Hello. I am looking for a lightweight webkit browser (such as dwb or luakit) that it is possible to install on Debian Squeeze. What are alternatives? |
| 08:23.21 | p342 | nimred: in terminal: lynx, links, gui based: opera |
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| 08:24.07 | colun | I need a recent version of pure-ftpd-mysql because all passwords in mysql are sha1 and uid, guid are into it. |
| 08:24.18 | nimred | p342: I am looking for gui one |
| 08:24.24 | rozie | colun: you may make backport yourself |
| 08:24.48 | rozie | just take sources, make some fixes and compile on squeeze |
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| 08:24.51 | p342 | use opera 10 and execute turbo mode |
| 08:25.20 | colun | rozie: I will try to build a .deb |
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| 08:25.40 | p342 | nimred: or you can install firefox 3.6 stable |
| 08:25.41 | p342 | http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest-3.6/ |
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| 08:26.16 | nimred | p342: no that's not what I am looking for |
| 08:27.25 | p342 | nimred: then look http://www.helgefjell.de/browser.php |
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| 08:28.25 | raptor67682 | rozie: you are right. too much console is for geeks. ... I created this channel: welcome to your visit if you like pure console : ##linux-console-geeks |
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| 08:38.43 | colun | rozie: I use this post to build a package for squeeze : http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/ |
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| 08:49.10 | H4x012 | guys how to see linux dist.. name? |
| 08:49.25 | H4x012 | uname -a doest answer this question |
| 08:51.28 | format_c | H4x012, cat /etc/*{release,version} |
| 08:52.29 | jelly-home | H4x012: sometimes, the lsb_release command works |
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| 08:54.10 | format_c | H4x012, in this case the file /etc/debian_version shows you that it's debian running in version thats in the file. |
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| 08:55.25 | H4x012 | lets try |
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| 08:59.41 | H4x012 | it just tell me the version |
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| 09:05.50 | H4x012 | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i2MNbD0jM-Y/T93QjuWf_DI/AAAAAAABv8Y/LDi-yDbsM5s/s620/0.216422001339913696_dordone_com.jpg |
| 09:06.00 | rozie | H4x012: uname -a + cat /etc/debian_version + checking version of packages should work |
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| 09:06.28 | decci | I have two servers rented from webhosting company. I can see that its hostname is sp1.prontonetworks.com(say) with IP at /etc/hosts. Now I am in plan to host a website on those two rented server and name it baytoncloud.com. Can I go ahead and change the hostname? As of now, the /etc/resolv.conf shows the webhosting DNS server..Can I still use the same DNS entry for my baytoncloud.com |
| 09:09.36 | rozie | decci: 1. don't tell domain name if you haven't registered it yet. 2. hostname has nothing to do with webpage(s) run on the server 3. DNS servers for domain have nothing to do with recursive DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:17.29 | JaSeR | hi there |
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| 09:18.10 | JaSeR | does anybody have a sec for a shorewall question? http://paste.debian.net/?show=177192;lines=0 |
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| 09:41.02 | karl_k | hi all, i have a problem with setting up grub2 in my lvm-on-raid setup, it gives me: Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/root--vg-root--lv failed. |
| 09:41.12 | karl_k | anyone willing to help? |
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| 09:45.34 | Hat | hat |
| 09:46.05 | M_Wonderfull | karl_k, first of all, did you try to search in google? http://www.google.com/search?q=Auto-detection+of+a+filesystem+of+%2Fdev%2Fmapper%2Froot--vg-root--lv+failed&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 09:49.40 | karl_k | yes, i have googled, but found no real answer |
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| 09:50.37 | karl_k | have pasted to #flood |
| 09:50.52 | Wooga | hi, i am trying to install ia32-libs on wheezy/sid, but it depends on non-existent package ia32-libs-i386 |
| 09:51.06 | Wooga | can here be anything done in order to install ia32-libs? |
| 09:51.41 | karl_k | also here: http://pastebin.com/3RGfMWdc |
| 09:53.24 | bla | Testing has some weird firefox issue making ksoftirqd and firefox go 100% CPU |
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| 09:54.32 | M_Wonderfull | Wooga, ia32-libs-i386 only on Sid. Not on testing :( http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ia32-libs-i386 |
| 09:55.01 | Wooga | but i have sid mirrors in sources.list |
| 09:55.34 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, is there notify-osd for debian squeeze? I want to change the volume popup notification |
| 09:55.50 | M_Wonderfull | wooga, are you in testing or sid? |
| 09:56.00 | Wooga | both |
| 09:56.07 | M_Wonderfull | :O |
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| 09:58.38 | Ephexeve | Anyone knwos? |
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| 09:59.12 | karl_k | update-grub also fails: http://pastebin.com/C7f5qTDR |
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| 10:03.13 | JaSeR | does anybody have a sec for a shorewall question? http://paste.debian.net/?show=177192;lines=0 |
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| 10:05.23 | johgro | bla: Do you have a link to a description/discussion/bug regarding the firefox issue in testing? |
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| 10:05.57 | raptor67682 | rozie: if you are a fan of the console, I have just created a channel for those : ##linux-console-geeks: Forum about console for Linux. Welcome. Off-topics like use of curl, wget, ... cool bash scripts are very welcome |
| 10:06.25 | bla | johgro, all I found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2013525 using manually downloaded 13.0.1 fixed my problem, but won't work with flash (32bit/64bit stuff) |
| 10:06.56 | raptor67682 | rozie: It could be dedicated for admins/users, that are using mainly the console (and likely extensive use of screen) ;) Forever Screen ;) :) :) |
| 10:06.58 | M_Wonderfull | karl_k: sounds like a partition problem. Big problem... but I don't know what you can do... |
| 10:07.33 | johgro | bla:Ok. Thanks. |
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| 10:08.03 | M_Wonderfull | Ephexeve: no http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=notify-osd |
| 10:08.23 | M_Wonderfull | notify-osd isn't on squeeze or backports |
| 10:09.24 | karl_k | btw screen: when i ssh into a machine and use screen i can not scroll the terminal window, is that normal ? |
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| 10:10.35 | qdb | https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/ do not work in iceweasel 3.5.16 |
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| 10:11.21 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell qdb about mdn |
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| 10:14.46 | qdb | jelly-home, what is mdn ? i do not see in what said by dpkg |
| 10:16.16 | nsadmin | qdb, take the trailing / off |
| 10:16.54 | qdb | nsadmin, which trailing / ? |
| 10:17.18 | qdb | nsadmin, after tewitter.com ? |
| 10:17.28 | nsadmin | the trailing one :) (that means the one at the end) |
| 10:17.41 | qdb | nsadmin, which ? |
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| 10:17.51 | qdb | nsadmin, where it is ? |
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| 10:17.55 | nsadmin | the rightmost one |
| 10:18.07 | qdb | nsadmin, ok but where ? |
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| 10:18.12 | Ephexeve | Hmm damn it |
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| 10:18.29 | nsadmin | the one that matches /$ |
| 10:18.34 | Ephexeve | btw, someone has a problem with pulseaudio when you lower the volume a highpitch comes? How to fix it? |
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| 10:20.21 | qdb | jelly-home, what is mdn ? i do not see in what said by dpkg |
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| 10:22.11 | nsadmin | qdb, check your priv msgs for something from dpkg |
| 10:22.52 | qdb | nsadmin, i think you are trolling |
| 10:22.56 | nsadmin | oh, you saw the message? |
| 10:22.59 | Ephexeve | anyone knows how to fix the pulseaudio high pitch noise? |
| 10:23.00 | qdb | yes |
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| 10:23.55 | qdb | probably i do nto need that mdn, just dshould update ff |
| 10:25.53 | nsadmin | qdb, debian doesn't distribute anything with the name "firefox" because the company said they can't. so debian changed the name to iceweasel |
| 10:26.30 | nsadmin | anyway, see mozilla.debian.net |
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| 10:32.05 | abakhouy | hello |
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| 10:36.16 | qdb | i have installed iceweasel from backports and it do nto work, says it is in offline mode, though it is not |
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| 10:37.18 | qdb | i restarted it and it works, also mobile twitter. thank you |
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| 10:39.53 | qdb | btw flash still do not work |
| 10:40.44 | qdb | why flash does not work ? |
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| 10:48.16 | zecrazytux | qdb: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ |
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| 10:50.00 | qdb | zecrazytux, i have searched that in google several times, it do not work for more than a month now |
| 10:50.20 | qdb | i have not found reports of similar problems |
| 10:51.08 | qdb | i have updated flash player |
| 10:51.53 | qdb | it crashed iceweasel and epiphany. now after update of iceweasel , youtube pages are openable, but black square instead of flash |
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| 10:52.29 | qdb | epiphany still crashes |
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| 10:53.02 | zecrazytux | qdb: what package, what error when launching the browser from a term |
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| 10:55.00 | qdb | zecrazytux, LC_ALL=C epiphany http://youtube.com/ Недопустимая инструкция that means instruction which is not allowed. |
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| 10:55.35 | qdb | zecrazytux, epiphany Version: 0.7.0-4 |
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| 10:56.42 | zecrazytux | 'that means instruction which is not allowed' ? |
| 10:57.12 | zecrazytux | which flash package ? |
| 10:57.29 | qdb | zecrazytux, "Недопустимая инструкция " =" instruction which is not allowed" |
| 10:57.52 | qdb | zecrazytux, flash LNX 11,2,202,236 .. |
| 10:58.07 | tremon | that's probably "Illegal instruction" |
| 10:58.54 | tremon | very little we can do about that, unless you somehow managed to install 64-bit flash on a 32-bit machine |
| 10:59.03 | qdb | zecrazytux, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:59.15 | tremon | is this an intel/amd machine? |
| 10:59.24 | qdb | tremon, amd |
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| 10:59.40 | qdb | tremon, amd athlon xp 1700 |
| 11:00.11 | tremon | https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3154276 |
| 11:00.20 | zecrazytux | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668512 |
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| 11:02.08 | tremon | ah, no sse2 support |
| 11:02.23 | zecrazytux | qdb: update libvdpau |
| 11:02.35 | qdb | ok |
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| 11:03.20 | tremon | qdb: there are two issues, one is the vdpau issue. But according to the debian bugreport, last known version to work is 11.1.102.63, newer versions require sse2 which is not supported by your processor |
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| 11:04.54 | qdb | tremon, i have installed libvdpau1 |
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| 11:05.06 | qdb | tremon, can i install older version? |
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| 11:05.30 | zecrazytux | dunno, search on adobe's website |
| 11:05.37 | tremon | you should be able to, but I don't know where to find older versions |
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| 11:08.22 | ex-parrot | is there any way to get the old kernel-img.conf link_in_boot behaviour back in squeeze? I have my /boot on a FAT32 partition (poorly setup EFI boot....) temporarily but the inability for dpkg to make symlinks is preventing me from installing new kernels |
| 11:08.29 | ex-parrot | I don't really need the symlinks, can I just tell it not to try? |
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| 11:11.10 | proby | guys is there any way to ignore fstab and mount the / mannualy ??? |
| 11:11.35 | tremon | qdb: http://www.netdip.com/ubuntu-10-04-amd64-flash-illegal-instruction-error-solved-1ir/ might also be a solution. It's ugly, but it's better than having to downgrade flashplayer |
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| 11:11.51 | tremon | proby: / is never mounted through fstab |
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| 11:16.26 | qdb | tremon, i shoul dinstall libraries? ir says ‘REG_RAX’ undeclared etc |
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| 11:18.26 | qdb | ie it do not compile |
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| 11:19.37 | proby | guys coul prelink cause problems on squeeze?? |
| 11:19.40 | tremon | qdb: what you "should" do is complain to Adobe that they broke flash on your machine. Because that will likely not solve your problem, we're giving alternative solutions. I haven't tried that solution myself, but REG_RAX suggests that you're trying to compile a 64-bit version |
| 11:20.18 | proby | tremon but i had modified fstab recently and installed prelink and the / is mounted as readonly |
| 11:20.28 | qdb | yes, it's author says about 64 bits. i thiought may be will compile also for 32 bits |
| 11:20.29 | proby | guys coud prelink cause problems on squeeze?? |
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| 11:22.47 | tremon | qdb: the page says he had tried both 32- and 64-bits, so I assumed it would work for both. But it seems that the library is indeed only for 64 bits |
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| 11:34.32 | thewanderer1 | qdb: "rax" is the name of a processor register which is only present on processors compliant with the amd64 architecture |
| 11:34.52 | thewanderer1 | which basically means the library you're looking at uses Assembler. YUCK. |
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| 11:36.22 | tremon | ((char*)®s[REG_RAX])[1] = ((char*)®s[REG_EFL])[0]; <-- doesn't really look like asm to me |
| 11:36.27 | qdb | i havw downloaded older tar gz file from adobe ftpdownload domain ... and copied ... so file from it.. no i ll try .. |
| 11:36.51 | qdb | it works |
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| 11:37.43 | thewanderer1 | tremon: oh well. it looks like operating directly on registers, anyway |
| 11:38.18 | tremon | qdb: be careful though, you're now using an outdated flash version, there may be known vulnerabilities in that version |
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| 11:39.16 | tremon | thewanderer1: sure, the "library" in question was a SIGILL handler to emulate one specific instruction. Could have been done in assembler though :) |
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| 11:41.27 | qdb | thank you |
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| 11:44.43 | raidghost | Good Morning! |
| 11:47.44 | raidghost | i guess people are asleep - Wrong timezone |
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| 11:49.44 | thewanderer1 | raidghost: if you ask a question, someone will probably answer... eventually :P |
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| 11:50.57 | nsadmin | raidghost, or whatever you might do other than ask something |
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| 11:51.56 | toad_ | how do i configure alsa to do *BOTH* upmixing *AND* pulse? |
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| 11:52.28 | toad_ | i need to redirect non-pulse alsa apps through pulse, but i have 5.1 so i'd like to keep upmixing ... |
| 11:52.36 | toad_ | but i think that has to be done through alsa |
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| 11:55.26 | daniel-s_ | hi |
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| 11:55.40 | daniel-s_ | my mic stopped working since upgrading to wheezy |
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| 11:56.07 | daniel-s_ | works ok in sound recorder |
| 11:56.11 | daniel-s_ | but not in skype |
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| 11:56.39 | ompaul | daniel-s_: your mic works but not in skype is also true? would that be a skype issue |
| 11:56.55 | daniel-s_ | I guess so |
| 11:57.08 | daniel-s_ | it seems weird that it would coincide with the upgrade |
| 11:57.14 | daniel-s_ | maybe unrelated |
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| 11:57.38 | ompaul | daniel-s_: perhaps skype sees something it does not like, or is missing something |
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| 11:58.40 | ompaul | daniel-s_: make sure you can record an ogg, then if you can perhaps remove skype and reinstall it - as you don't know what it hooked into or expects - maybe it will be ok at that point, also check of bug reports of same |
| 11:59.26 | Miesco | How do i get tail to keep updating? |
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| 12:01.13 | Miesco | wait i found out |
| 12:01.18 | KeepSake | So who actually picks the name of the next debian release? |
| 12:01.22 | tictacbum | hi, is squeeze affected by 100% cpu reset leap second bug? |
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| 12:02.13 | saedelaere | hi |
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| 12:03.04 | thewanderer1 | tictacbum: some machines seem to be affected, while others aren't - most notably, applications which rely on gettimofday() appear to misbehave on 2.6.32 kernels. |
| 12:03.21 | thewanderer1 | gettimeofday(), that is |
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| 12:04.49 | saedelaere | I have a strange problem with my ssh daemon. i want it to listen on a different port. config is correct (I suppose) and this is in auth.log |
| 12:04.50 | saedelaere | http://pastebin.com/3geJ7Pin |
| 12:05.05 | saedelaere | nevertheless I can't connect via port 4692 |
| 12:05.12 | saedelaere | but I can with port 22 |
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| 12:05.26 | saedelaere | I don't understand this |
| 12:05.31 | sobersabre | hi. I've changed user's limits via /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 12:05.43 | sobersabre | After relogin of that user I do not see the limits taking an effect. |
| 12:05.46 | tictacbum | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 12:05.51 | saedelaere | and I am using publickey authentification if it is important |
| 12:05.52 | sobersabre | Am I doing something wrong ? |
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| 12:06.00 | stueng | hi, I am trying to ./configure XBMC and it fails at this point: checking size of size_t with "cannot compute sizeof (size_t) |
| 12:06.21 | tremon | saedelaere: any firewalling/network translation in effect? |
| 12:06.37 | stueng | I have read other people experiencing this and they solve it by upgrading their nvidia drivers... but I am compiling on a raspberry pi so its not nvidia drivers I dont think ? |
| 12:06.44 | Miesco | This is what happends when I plug in my USB midi controller: |
| 12:06.45 | tremon | saedelaere: can you ssh to localhost from the server itself? |
| 12:06.46 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/177206/ |
| 12:06.55 | nimred | Hello. What to do install the minimum required package to have X.Org installed? |
| 12:07.11 | saedelaere | not that I know of tremon, but it is a v-server so who knows what the provider does. |
| 12:07.22 | saedelaere | tremon: I'll try that... |
| 12:07.22 | stueng | nimred: apt-get install xorg |
| 12:07.28 | sobersabre | ghghghg |
| 12:07.37 | tictacbum | sobersabre: you can set it with "ulimit -n [num]" |
| 12:07.43 | nimred | stueng: no minimal as I wrote |
| 12:07.51 | nimred | stueng: I do not want to install everything |
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| 12:07.59 | sobersabre | tictacbum: do I need to change shell initialization for that ? |
| 12:08.13 | stueng | that is minimal, it gives you the components you neeed to install a dekstop environment on top of |
| 12:08.27 | tremon | nimred: xserver-xorg-core, also specify your -input and -video driver otherwise it will pull in -all |
| 12:08.34 | sobersabre | tictacbum: and ... hell why would we have /etc/security/limits.conf then ? |
| 12:08.35 | sobersabre | :) |
| 12:08.55 | nimred | stueng: no it will install all video drivers |
| 12:08.57 | saedelaere | not with port 4692, strange this configuration worked several weeks now. I was connecting via port 4692. and today it stopped working |
| 12:09.03 | nimred | stueng: I do not want this |
| 12:09.04 | tictacbum | sobersabre: I think that limits.conf is to set it on boot |
| 12:09.26 | tremon | sobersabre: is pam_limits.so loaded? |
| 12:09.41 | tremon | sobersabre: check /etc/pam.d |
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| 12:10.16 | sobersabre | tremon: It is loaded in pam.d/login, shall I put it into session ? |
| 12:10.21 | sobersabre | (I mean common-session) |
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| 12:10.35 | tremon | sobersabre: no there's probably a reason why it isn't in common- |
| 12:10.40 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: do a test. run nc -l -p 4692, and try connecting with nc from a remote host. does it work? can you type messages to each other? |
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| 12:10.43 | nimred | tremon: is it enough? |
| 12:10.54 | tremon | nimred: enough for what? |
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| 12:11.44 | daniel-s_ | my mic works with sound recorder, but it's very soft and sounds distorted |
| 12:11.46 | sobersabre | I'm doing this for www-data. does it run login upon launching the procs of apache ? |
| 12:12.01 | daniel-s_ | almost like it were mixed into a dubstep song |
| 12:12.09 | nimred | tremon: for X.Org to be able to run |
| 12:12.10 | tremon | sobersabre: you can add debug as argument to pam_limits.so, maybe you can see what it does |
| 12:12.37 | tremon | nimred: that is what you asked for, right? Have you tried it? |
| 12:13.19 | tremon | sobersabre: I don't think apache spawns a login shell |
| 12:13.23 | daniel-s_ | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) <---- my audio device |
| 12:13.31 | daniel-s_ | it's supposed to be well supported |
| 12:14.15 | saedelaere | thewanderer1: just rebooted the server, if I can connect again I will try your suggestion |
| 12:14.19 | tremon | daniel-s_: it's also the no.1 device in terms of quirks needed and substandard implementations released |
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| 12:14.36 | daniel-s_ | ok |
| 12:14.41 | daniel-s_ | will work on it |
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| 12:15.07 | tremon | daniel-s_: have no direct experience with that intel chipset, though |
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| 12:19.38 | saedelaere | thewanderer1: works with nc |
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| 12:20.44 | g105b | i have a debian machine stashed away in a locked cupboard that is connected to a monitor on the outside. I'd like some help getting my head around controlling it remotely via ssh to play video on the monitor. I've got full root access by the way, but can't physically access the box. |
| 12:20.48 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: and with SSH? |
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| 12:21.19 | saedelaere | ssh: connect to host *** port 4692: Connection refused |
| 12:21.34 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: means there is nothing listening there |
| 12:21.38 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: check netstat -tlnp |
| 12:21.55 | thewanderer1 | g105b: run X, export the DISPLAY env variable, run graphical programs, that's all |
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| 12:22.04 | daniel-s_ | when I go to alsamixer, there are two sound cards i can choose |
| 12:22.12 | daniel-s_ | pulseaudio and my sound card |
| 12:22.14 | bla | g105b, export DISPLAY=:0 + mplayer? probably need to allow local connections inside X too, but that depends (xhost +local:) |
| 12:22.19 | daniel-s_ | the default is pulseaudio |
| 12:22.31 | daniel-s_ | is that how it's supposed to work? |
| 12:22.33 | daniel-s_ | sound is ok |
| 12:22.36 | daniel-s_ | just mic isn't working |
| 12:22.49 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 12:22.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:23.28 | saedelaere | thewanderer1: yeah nothing is listening on port 4692 |
| 12:23.35 | g105b | thewanderer1: thanks but could you give me a bit more basic info on how I would go about doing that? when you say run x, do you mean just typing startx? |
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| 12:24.14 | thewanderer1 | g105b: you only need xinit, or startx, or whatever your preferred method of launching it is - running "X" could work as well |
| 12:24.32 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: well, on what port is it listening, then? :P |
| 12:24.39 | tremon | daniel-s_: if you want pulseaudio, then yes that's how it works. the default alsa device is for programs, so their sound gets redirected to pulse. Pulse then uses the alsa in-kernel driver to output sound. Don't know how the return path is supposed to work |
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| 12:25.10 | g105b | thewanderer1: from the terminal, when I try to run X I get the message: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
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| 12:25.27 | tremon | g105b: I'd create a local user on the box and have your display manager do auto-login as that user |
| 12:25.48 | saedelaere | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/JJAgJxMi |
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| 12:25.54 | saedelaere | seems like port 22 |
| 12:25.55 | thewanderer1 | g105b: that is correct, users are not normally allowed to do that... |
| 12:26.18 | saedelaere | what the heck is port 3306, but ok different question :D |
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| 12:26.21 | g105b | thewanderer1: I have to do it into the display of the monitor? is it trying to start it in the terminal? |
| 12:26.22 | tremon | g105b: that error message is a debconf item (I suspect it's in console-setup) |
| 12:26.22 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: well, have you restarted the ssh daemon? |
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| 12:26.38 | AndroidBeing | am trying to configure xdmcp with lightdm, have added "[XDMCPServer] enabled=true" but it doesn't work, is there anything else I need to change? |
| 12:26.38 | saedelaere | I have restarted the whole system |
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| 12:27.46 | thewanderer1 | g105b: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common # set it to allow everyone to run X |
| 12:27.59 | saedelaere | ok restarted the ssh daemon again |
| 12:28.05 | saedelaere | now it looks like this |
| 12:28.07 | saedelaere | http://pastebin.com/hBz2am9j |
| 12:28.27 | saedelaere | good, but there is still something listening on port 22 |
| 12:29.27 | tremon | (x)inetd? |
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| 12:29.40 | saedelaere | am I somehow running two instances of ssh daemon |
| 12:29.46 | saedelaere | what the heck |
| 12:29.48 | tremon | saedelaere: try running netstat -p as root |
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| 12:32.00 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: it's running on port 22 because it didn't want to kill your *current* connection |
| 12:32.24 | thewanderer1 | SSH is smart about this |
| 12:32.26 | daniel-s_ | [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). <--------- is this a bad thing? |
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| 12:32.49 | boudiccas | daniel-sdefine 'bad thing'? |
| 12:33.49 | saedelaere | thewanderer1: ah ok, thank you |
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| 12:33.49 | boudiccas | daniel-s define 'bad thing' please? |
| 12:33.59 | saedelaere | I can connect now via port 4692 |
| 12:34.07 | saedelaere | but also via port 22 |
| 12:34.30 | thewanderer1 | saedelaere: disconnect from port 22, connect on 4692, restart SSH, port 22 should be gone now |
| 12:35.13 | saedelaere | or, hmm maybe my ssh client is honoring the ssh config file more than the command line options |
| 12:35.29 | saedelaere | I'll boot a different linux in virtualbox and check there |
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| 12:37.16 | g105b | from a remote terminal, what's the best method for launching applications in a user's X session? |
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| 12:38.56 | g105b | thewanderer1: can you explain what you meant about exporting DISPLAY env variable? |
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| 12:40.27 | thewanderer1 | g105b: X programs expect DISPLAY to be set. you run "X :0.0", then export DISPLAY=:0.0, and run graphical programs, which appear on the X display |
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| 12:43.16 | saedelaere | maybe I found the cause why I still can connect via port 22. xinetd is listening on this port now. |
| 12:43.21 | g105b | thewanderer1: ok cool, so setting the display var to the same number as X is started with directs all programs to the X ... and I just start the programs as I would on the actual computer? |
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| 12:44.54 | thewanderer1 | g105b: you *are* on the actual computer, so yes |
| 12:45.12 | g105b | ok I think I'll have a play around, see where I can get to |
| 12:45.14 | g105b | cheers for the help |
| 12:46.06 | saedelaere | this is in the xinetd.d config dir |
| 12:46.07 | saedelaere | http://pastebin.com/qkHiUXrK |
| 12:46.14 | Guest97505 | I have windows 7 and Linux installed on my computer. During installation of LInux I got a message 'some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The missing firmware files are brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw. I continued to install linux without firmware being loaded from removable media ( as it was suggested) Now Linux does not boot and when I checked the partitioned hard drive, ext4 is not mounted. I got grml CD. Can some |
| 12:46.14 | Guest97505 | one help me with getting Linux to boot? |
| 12:46.17 | saedelaere | the question is what is this good for |
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| 12:48.43 | tremon | Guest97505: a step back first, why does linux fail to boot? |
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| 12:49.17 | tremon | We can tell you how to reinstall the bootloader, to regenerate your initramfs or to renumber your grub drives but without identifying the problem that may have no effect |
| 12:49.54 | saedelaere | . |
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| 12:53.39 | saedelaere | ok i stopped xinetd and I can no lobger connect via port 22 :) |
| 12:54.01 | saedelaere | what is this xinetd good for? I can't remember I installed this on purpose |
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| 12:54.21 | saedelaere | just checked on a different debian server and it is not installed there either |
| 12:54.27 | Guest97505 | tremon, yesterday I worked with korkman and the story is : I had windows 7 and linux, which would not boot, so I used gparted live CD to delete the Linux. After that Windows would not boot and I was told that I erased grub2 stage2. I installed linux back and got windows booting now, but not linux. I was told to get live Debian CD suach as grml, mount the installed debian, get network online, chroot into debian annd modify apt sour |
| 12:54.27 | Guest97505 | ces. So I got the live CD and that is wher I am at now |
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| 12:55.06 | tremon | saedelaere: xinetd is a "super-server". It listens on multiple ports and spawns the "real" server on-demand |
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| 12:56.01 | saedelaere | so in fact it is a backup. just in case the ssh daemon is not running xinetd would start it for me |
| 12:56.12 | saedelaere | that sounds usefull :) |
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| 12:57.54 | tremon | Guest97505: ok, first you need to recreate your linux fs layout. Mount your root partition on /mnt, and make sure /boot, /usr and /var are accessible too |
| 12:58.19 | saedelaere | ok this xinetd has a port option for his ssh service. works perfect now. thanks for all your help!! |
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| 13:00.29 | Guest97505 | tremon, I never worked with grml or did anything advanced with command line. With grml, do I need to go to shell? |
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| 13:01.02 | tremon | Guest97505: yes, you need to do everything from a root shell |
| 13:01.20 | vlt | Guest97505: grml boots to a root shell |
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| 13:04.39 | Guest97505 | tremon, I am at root@grml. Can you give me commands for mounting. Do I need to start with fdisk -l? |
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| 13:04.50 | LordShiva | ok this is weird I run on many warnings while running rkhunter more than 30 mostly about modified files but 30 is too many |
| 13:05.14 | tremon | Guest97505: if you don't know which device contains your root filesystem, then yes |
| 13:05.20 | deb_daemon | Hello. I am trying to use compiz in debian squeeze, but it dont works. It says compiz (core) - Fatal: Software rendering detected. but I have 3d aceleration. Can you help me? |
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| 13:05.42 | LordShiva | what card do you have deb_daemon ? |
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| 13:06.16 | deb_daemon | LordShiva : It is a Nvidia gforce 2 mx. It is old, but it have 3d aceleration |
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| 13:07.04 | LordShiva | what driver do you use ? nouveau or nvidia bin package ? |
| 13:07.06 | Guest97505 | tremon, it is /dev/sda5 |
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| 13:07.35 | tremon | Guest97505: ok, now mount /dev/sda5 on /mnt |
| 13:08.00 | deb_daemon | I think it have the free drivers. It installed by itself when I upgrade by backports |
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| 13:08.54 | Guest97505 | tremon, I did mount /dev/sda5 /mnt and didn't get any message back |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | what does glxinfo say? |
| 13:10.02 | tremon | Guest97505: that's good. If you have separate partitions for /boot, /var and /usr you need to mount them too |
| 13:10.24 | deb_daemon | abrotman http://pastebin.com/ar1un3jQ |
| 13:10.44 | Guest97505 | tremon, I only have one partition for linux and another for swap |
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| 13:10.54 | jelly-home | deb_daemon: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 13:11.16 | tremon | Guest97505, great, now mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev , and do the same for /proc and /sys |
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| 13:11.51 | deb_daemon | jelly-home : yes |
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| 13:14.17 | fken | hello. I am having some troubles configuring a postfix dovecot server. Could you please check my postfix configuration and tell me what do you think of it ? http://pastebin.com/a4RRdiXN |
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| 13:16.12 | jelly-home | deb_daemon: alright, pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 apt xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-nouveau libgl1-mesa-dri\*", of "dmesg" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
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| 13:17.38 | Woet | is there a way to make iftop show the amount of connections? |
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| 13:17.50 | deb_daemon | jelly-home : how can I show you in english? |
| 13:18.23 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 13:18.24 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
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| 13:18.33 | jelly-home | deb_daemon: ^^ |
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| 13:20.19 | deb_daemon | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/fBdyZ0m1 |
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| 13:20.52 | Guest97505 | tremon, I did mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev, mount --bind /proc /mnt/dev, and mount --bind /sys /mnt/dev |
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| 13:22.02 | tremon | Guest97505: either you made a paste error, or you should try again with mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev, mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc, and mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys |
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| 13:24.15 | Guest97505 | tremon I did it right this time |
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| 13:25.15 | jelly-home | deb_daemon: you seem to have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from squeeze-backports which is good; for full functionality you're going to also install the kernel from backports and reboot with it |
| 13:25.44 | tremon | Guest97505: ok. now you should be able to enter your debian system, type chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 13:26.06 | jelly-home | deb_daemon: which kernel version is running at present? "uname -a" or "uname -r" |
| 13:26.19 | deb_daemon | jelly-home : I have it installed |
| 13:26.31 | tremon | Guest97505: from there, first make sure that /boot/grub/device.map lists the correct disk as (hd0) |
| 13:26.41 | deb_daemon | 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 13:27.11 | jelly-home | deb_daemon: that's also good. Let's see the logs from kernel and xorg, then |
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| 13:27.31 | tremon | Guest97505: then, run update-initramfs -u -k all , update-grub and install-grub '(hd0)' |
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| 13:28.44 | tremon | Guest97505: you may want to check the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg before running install-grub |
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| 13:30.47 | proby | hi , guys i had installed prelink but when starting the system i get a login but only the mouse pointer show up then ! any solutions please?? |
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| 13:32.11 | proby | hi , guys i had installed prelink but when starting the system i get a login but only the mouse pointer show up then ! any solutions please?? |
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| 13:33.06 | proby | hi , guys i had installed prelink but when starting the system i get a login but only the mouse pointer show up then ! any solutions please?? |
| 13:33.31 | thewanderer1 | didn't the program come with a warning? |
| 13:33.33 | boudiccas | proby: shut up, we heard you the first time. no need to repeat after just 2 minutes |
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| 13:35.47 | tremon | what does prelink do? does it actually change the on-disk .so's or binaries? |
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| 13:38.50 | thewanderer1 | I think it modifies the binaries |
| 13:38.55 | Guest97505 | tremon, I am at install-grub '(hd0)' and get 'command not found |
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| 13:39.15 | tremon | wonders if it's grub-install again |
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| 13:39.35 | tremon | Guest97505: try grub-install '(hd0)' instead |
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| 13:40.59 | Cyclohexane | what's wrong with this? ps aux | awk '$1 != root { print $0 }' (it prints everything..) |
| 13:41.20 | Guest97505 | tremon, I got 'installation finished. no error reported |
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| 13:42.13 | thewanderer1 | Cyclohexane: ps aux | awk '$1 != "root" { print $0 }' |
| 13:42.22 | Cyclohexane | thanks |
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| 13:43.16 | tremon | Guest97505: you're done. reboot and hope everything works now :) |
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| 13:44.13 | tremon | Cyclohexane: try quoting "root" |
| 13:44.23 | tremon | hmm... too late ;) |
| 13:45.04 | Guest97505 | tremon, it doesn't let me reboot or shutdown from root@grml. Do I just turn of the power? |
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| 13:53.08 | Guest97505 | tremon, linux is still not booting. What about that message that I had during installation about brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw ?? |
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| 13:55.01 | JurassicJon | Guest97505 that message was talking about your broadcom wireless driver |
| 13:55.13 | saedelaere | </join #leaflet |
| 13:56.07 | Guest97505 | JurassicJon, is there anything I need to do about it? |
| 13:56.37 | JurassicJon | i don't know, i've haven't done anything with wireless devices in Linux yet |
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| 13:58.27 | Guest97505 | tremon, can I do anything about broadcom wireless driver with grml? |
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| 14:04.09 | Guest97505 | tremon, thanks for your time |
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| 14:06.33 | tremon | Guest97505: if you have already installed the firmware during install, there's nothing more you need to do. But do make sure you have enabled the non-free sources, so you get firmware updates should they be released |
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| 14:06.59 | Bert_2 | Hi, we have a huge directory that potentially contains some symbolic or hardlinks, is there an easy way to check for this ? |
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| 14:07.52 | suppreme | hi - is there a command that enables me to login to another local user from a shell ? "login" as root still gives me root/my user |
| 14:07.55 | tremon | Bert_2: man find, -type |
| 14:08.17 | ansgar | suppreme: su, sudo |
| 14:08.35 | Bert_2 | tremon: awesomeness |
| 14:08.41 | suppreme | ansgar i want to be logged in as in ssh - su and sudo don't give me otheruser@host |
| 14:08.48 | Guest97505 | tremon, why do you think linux is not booting? |
| 14:08.53 | tremon | Bert_2: hard links can be detected via stat |
| 14:09.01 | suppreme | altho i get the "you are logged in" message bert |
| 14:09.06 | tremon | Guest97505: I don't think linux is not booting |
| 14:09.12 | suppreme | erm, ans |
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| 14:09.54 | tremon | Bert_2: or, probably, find -links but I've never used that |
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| 14:10.02 | Guest97505 | Tremon, why linux is not showing up? |
| 14:10.24 | ansgar | suppreme: What does "logged in as in ssh" mean to you? |
| 14:11.09 | tremon | Guest97505: my crystal ball isn't working, you'll need to tell me more than that |
| 14:11.36 | suppreme | ansgar simply being logged in - asdfg@qwertz |
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| 14:12.11 | Guest97505 | tremon, I am back at root@grml. Should I go to sources.list and add non-free |
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| 14:13.32 | tremon | Guest97505: don't you think you should first investigate why linux isn't booting on your machine? |
| 14:14.46 | suppreme | ansgar: i am logged in as user@box and from there, i want to login to user2@box - i get a few lines telling me i'm logged in, but he stays at user@box |
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| 14:15.24 | Guest97505 | tremon, I checked /dev/sda5 with fdisk -l and linux is not mounted. Yes, tremon, I am trying to investigate, but my knowledge is limited, it was only few months since I started working with linux and I didn't work with windows either |
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| 14:15.53 | pasky | Hi! What is the canonical way to have a debian/rules install rule that installs to correct prefix in case package does not use ./configure? by default, dh appears not to set PREFIX when calling make install |
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| 14:17.25 | jelly-home | !ping |
| 14:17.25 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:18.36 | tremon | Guest97505: then first explain what "linux isn't booting" means. Does the bootloader menu show up? Does the machine try to zap you with electricity if you select anything but "Windows" from the boot menu? Do you get an error message? |
| 14:18.37 | ansgar | suppreme: "he stays at user@box"? And what did you do exactly? http://paste.debian.net is useful for details (such as copy&paste from a shell). |
| 14:18.52 | born2troll | hey guys... i installed a vpn on startup and dont know hot to uninstall that... can u help me? |
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| 14:19.21 | born2troll | before x starts it starts the damn vpn with others services (like apache) |
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| 14:20.58 | Gerben | Hi. I made a small squashfs image (ultimately to make a terminal-server client), using multistrap. It boots from tftp fine. When I start X, the cursor is frozen. I can access the client using ssh (dropbear). The xorg logs look normal. |
| 14:21.05 | Gerben | anyone got a suggestion? |
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| 14:22.07 | Gerben | I got a good cursor (arrow, not an X). I use nodm for display manager and matchbox as a window manager. |
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| 14:22.22 | silas_ | i'm on Debian Squeeze 6.0.5, and am about to do: I am about to do: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 to make my wifi work (Broadcom Corporation Device 4358). any advice? |
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| 14:22.43 | Guest97505 | tremon, I get 'loading, please wait' and the last thing I see /dev fully populated. The screen goes black and I can hear the sound that comes when you need to type password in to go into Linux |
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| 14:23.23 | dvs | nomodeset? |
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| 14:23.53 | tremon | Guest97505: so, linux is booting fine but the screen stays black? And this is the same issue you had when you entered the channel this morning? |
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| 14:24.57 | Guest97505 | tremon, yes |
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| 14:25.29 | thewanderer1 | Gerben: does it happen to the keyboard input, too? or just mouse? |
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| 14:26.53 | tremon | Guest97505: you've wasted hours trying to solve a nonexistant problem. Next time, please start with that description when someone asks you what the problem is |
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| 14:28.19 | Guest97505 | tremon, ok. What do you think the problem is? |
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| 14:28.47 | suppreme | ansgar, http://paste.debian.net/177245 - it's the default welcoming message |
| 14:29.14 | ompaul | Guest97505: is the machine in that state now? |
| 14:29.32 | Guest97505 | tremon, yes |
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| 14:29.36 | tremon | Guest97505: I don't know, depends on what gfx card you have |
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| 14:30.13 | LtL | Guest97505: video driver, try nomodeset appended to the grub menu load linux kernel line, good chance you'll get a display |
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| 14:30.59 | born2troll | guys i experience some bugs with usb on startup and i am afraight that my system has been compromised... is there some test i can run? can u help me finding out whats causing this usb bug? |
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| 14:31.09 | LtL | Guest97505: 50/50 chance :) |
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| 14:31.31 | ansgar | suppreme: And what do you miss if you use su or sudo (except the motd)? Also #debian only gives support for Debian. |
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| 14:32.38 | LtL | Guest97505: thats a hack btw, you'll need to do more even if it works. |
| 14:33.04 | suppreme | ansgar: i miss being able to run commands with the user ff |
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| 14:34.13 | born2troll | guys i experience some bugs with usb on startup and i am afraight that my system has been compromised... is there some test i can run? can u help me finding out whats causing this usb bug? |
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| 14:34.27 | suppreme | why is he still saying root@ and not ff@ ? |
| 14:34.36 | Guest97505 | Ltl, I am starting grml again. Can you give me actual commands for appending nomodset to grub menu? |
| 14:34.39 | LtL | born2troll: chkrootkit for starters |
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| 14:35.11 | ansgar | suppreme: su will start a shell, sudo can do so as well. |
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| 14:36.39 | suppreme | i don't understand ansgar - do i need to pass extra parameters to "login" ? when i pass the desired username it tells me username not found |
| 14:36.46 | LtL | Guest97505: at the grub menu, hit the letter 'e' for edit, scroll to the linux kernel line.. you should recognize it, type in 'nomodeset' without quotes at the end of that line, then ctrl+x i think to boot it, the screen will say what the hotkeys are iirc |
| 14:36.48 | ansgar | suppreme: Also you might want to /msg dpkg crunchbang and ask in their channel as you don't seem to use Debian. |
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| 14:37.37 | born2troll | LtL, nothing found/not infected =) |
| 14:38.09 | LtL | born2troll: logs files still there? what makes you suspicious |
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| 14:39.07 | suppreme | mkay, thx |
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| 14:40.01 | born2troll | LtL, my pgp key has bin removed from my instand messenger and from my mail client somehow... they did not find it. Its there but i had to "add" it again. I already revoked it now |
| 14:40.11 | LtL | Guest97505: you spelled it wrong btw |
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| 14:41.24 | born2troll | LtL, at the same time i got an error message for some usb ports on startup... thats enough to be suspicious for me =) |
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| 14:42.01 | ompaul | born2troll: so if compromised there is no recovery other than a new install - if you suspect the firmware has been compromised get a new box |
| 14:42.02 | LtL | born2troll: can you --list-keys in a terminal, i use gpg but i don't use gpg gui key manager... its given me fits before, im not sure what situation you have there |
| 14:42.23 | ompaul | born2troll: there is always the chance you are in a sandbox they left you with |
| 14:42.33 | ompaul | born2troll: end of |
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| 14:42.57 | born2troll | i already revoked my key and will make a new one |
| 14:42.58 | Guest97505 | Ltl , I typed nomodeset at the end of linux /boot/vmlinuz line and get the same garbled screen |
| 14:43.16 | born2troll | can i have ur opinion to that line => http://paste.debian.net/177247/ |
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| 14:43.48 | ompaul | born2troll: and the rest of the system given what you said ... trust is broken, when trust is broken you can't repair it |
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| 14:44.51 | born2troll | ompaul, i would not say broken now... i am suspicious... now i research if there are any traces. If so i will set up a new one |
| 14:45.03 | LtL | Guest97505: you have a video driver issue i'm fairly certain. rescue mode may be your only choice now, possibly needing firmware and/or a different driver. forensics work is required at this point. |
| 14:45.26 | ompaul | born2troll: you revoked a key - that speaks volumes to me - your uncertainty meter was tripped big time |
| 14:45.29 | born2troll | LtL, can i have ur opinion to http://paste.debian.net/177247/ |
| 14:46.01 | LtL | born2troll: thats normal ouput from chkrootkit in your paste. |
| 14:46.31 | born2troll | LtL, it says "suspicious" in it =/ |
| 14:46.43 | LtL | born2troll: normal iirc |
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| 14:47.06 | Guest97505 | Ltl, how do I get that firmware or different driver? Can I still use grml live cd for that |
| 14:47.15 | LtL | born2troll: i could ty it and see the same thing here i bet. |
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| 14:47.55 | LtL | Guest97505: search with apt-get or aptitude for firmware and use it |
| 14:48.22 | born2troll | im concedering a clean resetup anyway but there is SOOO much porn i would have to move =( |
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| 14:49.08 | LtL | born2troll: is your nickname an accurate depiction or are you for real?!? |
| 14:49.48 | born2troll | well i like to troll but this problem is for real |
| 14:49.57 | born2troll | i dont troll in support channels |
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| 14:50.12 | born2troll | but u can visit me in my channel ( #trollcave ) |
| 14:50.24 | LtL | born2troll: sorry i had to ask, routine you know :) |
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| 14:51.07 | born2troll | well it gave me some strange usb error on startup (i think when iniziateing them or sth like that) can u help me to research |
| 14:51.24 | born2troll | LtL, np. That nick aready gave me hard times =) |
| 14:51.34 | LtL | born2troll: have you tried google |
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| 14:52.03 | LtL | born2troll: dmesg say anything useful? |
| 14:52.48 | nsadmin | born2troll, move your data to another partition |
| 14:53.09 | nsadmin | then install, then make mount point and mount |
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| 14:53.13 | LtL | born2troll: i don't think you have a problem per se, gpg keys may be messed up |
| 14:53.15 | born2troll | LtL, yes! shall i paste the entire log or just that part? |
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| 14:53.44 | born2troll | LtL, i just dont risk. Revokeing and makeing a new one costs me nothing |
| 14:53.56 | LtL | born2troll: paste the whole thing in a pastebin, i dont mind using their disk space |
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| 14:54.05 | nsadmin | born2troll, you can pastebin the whole thing, go to the paste page, and cite line numbers |
| 14:54.20 | Guest97505 | Ltl, I did aptitude search firmware and got a list of them installed. What else should I do? |
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| 14:55.25 | robokop | hmm, they do provide 'free' space indeed, would pastebinfs be possible? |
| 14:55.27 | LtL | Guest97505: google your video card +debian squeeze (provided you use squeeze) see if anyone else has the problem. |
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| 14:56.14 | born2troll | LtL, http://paste.debian.net/177249/ at 745 |
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| 14:56.19 | Guest97505 | Ltl, I installed Debian Wheezy |
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| 14:56.51 | born2troll | nsadmin, i find it kinda scary that i did not come up with that idea myself =/ |
| 14:57.18 | nsadmin | born2troll, which one? |
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| 14:58.07 | born2troll | nsadmin, i have a secound hard drive... i could install the new debian there... just an old slackware for playing around there |
| 14:58.30 | nsadmin | born2troll, oh, sure, you could do that |
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| 14:58.59 | nsadmin | the issue might come up of how that debian would get booted |
| 14:59.13 | born2troll | Guest97505, u know ur card? |
| 14:59.42 | nsadmin | he can lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 14:59.59 | nsadmin | should be one line |
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| 15:01.27 | born2troll | LtL, ur still there? u read my paste? |
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| 15:02.25 | Guest97505 | born2troll, what is ur card, video graphic? |
| 15:03.10 | LtL | born2troll: yes i see the error, not sure what to make of that. |
| 15:03.52 | born2troll | Guest97505, http://paste.debian.net/177251/ |
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| 15:04.09 | born2troll | LtL, that error is what made me suspicious =) |
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| 15:04.32 | dr_traktor | What is the right way to make a device mounted to /files accessible to all users? Should I put the users in some group or should I chmod a+r the directory? |
| 15:04.33 | Guest97505 | born2troll, thanks i have to leave |
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| 15:05.07 | thewanderer1 | dr_traktor: do you want all files in a directory to be readable to all users? |
| 15:05.08 | LtL | born2troll: i would'nt worry about it, you're on testing.. does that device work? |
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| 15:05.45 | dr_traktor | thewanderer1, generally yes, but users should be able to change permissions to the files they create on that device. |
| 15:06.40 | Guest97505 | born2troll, I have AMD nee ATI Device 9648 |
| 15:06.47 | born2troll | LtL, everything plugged on works perfect... even my webcam |
| 15:07.13 | thewanderer1 | dr_traktor: well, use normal UNIX permissions, I don't see a problem here... |
| 15:07.20 | LtL | born2troll: then you got joy, not a compromise |
| 15:07.49 | thewanderer1 | dr_traktor: you can make /files 0777, then users create subdirectories if they want |
| 15:07.55 | LtL | sorry, i've got to gp |
| 15:08.00 | LtL | *go |
| 15:08.13 | thewanderer1 | dr_traktor: oh, the sticky bit, too, so that people don't remove each other's content |
| 15:08.14 | dr_traktor | thewanderer1, youre right, i dont even know what my problem was. |
| 15:08.33 | dr_traktor | thanks |
| 15:08.47 | born2troll | Guest97505, u want to use that computer just for work or for plying/3d designing too? |
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| 15:09.13 | born2troll | *playing |
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| 15:11.01 | Guest97505 | born2troll, I just want linux to work , no 3d or games, just work |
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| 15:11.43 | born2troll | Guest97505, im not entirely sure but is this http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/ what you are looking for? |
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| 15:13.53 | Guest97505 | born2troll, co packages installed with this command |
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| 15:16.49 | born2troll | Guest97505, with aptitude -r install you may install more packages. Thats normal. |
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| 15:18.54 | Guest97505 | born2troll, I did aptitude -r xserver... and get this aptitude doesn't have super cow powers |
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| 15:21.40 | born2troll | Guest97505, im not quite sure what u mean... you may did not run it as root (in that case type "su") , you may gave him a name that is invalid |
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| 15:23.28 | born2troll | Guest97505, "su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic" should give you a graphical client that makes it more easy to install/remove stuff |
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| 15:34.07 | vixus | I'm having a problem with my laptop's wireless - I can see access points but I can't connect to them. |
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| 15:35.09 | vixus | got an rtl8188ce chipped card and I've already installed the driver which has been working fine up until this morning |
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| 15:35.39 | vixus | i've tried connecting manually but no luck |
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| 15:36.22 | born2troll | vixus, ur using a certificate... i once searched like 5 hours for the bug before i realised i exidently deleted my certificate |
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| 15:36.46 | vixus | born2troll: what certificate? :p |
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| 15:37.45 | born2troll | vixus, u are connecting with wpa personal or enterprise |
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| 15:38.20 | vixus | born2troll: neither |
| 15:39.21 | born2troll | sry im clueless too... the pros seem to do a party break right now (or have a real life =/ ) |
| 15:39.37 | vixus | hmm, looks like it won't connect in windows either.. |
| 15:39.55 | vixus | oh no it does. |
| 15:39.59 | vixus | so it's just linux |
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| 15:40.22 | born2troll | vixus, u made any upgrades before? |
| 15:40.30 | fken | I am voiced ? |
| 15:40.39 | vixus | fken: yes |
| 15:40.41 | born2troll | fken, no ur not |
| 15:40.42 | fken | *Am I voiced |
| 15:40.43 | fken | ok |
| 15:40.46 | fken | thanks |
| 15:40.53 | nsadmin | vixus, make sure the driver and firmware is loaded |
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| 15:41.05 | vixus | nsadmin: it is. |
| 15:41.20 | sney | vixus, when you say you 'installed the driver' do you mean you installed the firmware package from non-free or did you download some other thing from realtek |
| 15:41.27 | nsadmin | and dmesg says it's loading? |
| 15:41.44 | vixus | sney: i compiled the version provided by realtek |
| 15:41.46 | fken | I asked for help about postfix / dovecot on several channels and i've got no answers in returns... then I was wondering whether i was voiced or not :) |
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| 15:41.57 | multi_io | this leap second shit seems to have been quite a disaster. |
| 15:42.01 | vixus | nsadmin: I will check |
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| 15:42.12 | multi_io | I rebooted several machines. |
| 15:42.23 | sney | vixus, well, that's not really supported here... I would advise removing that, upgrading your kernel if you're on squeeze, and installing the firmware package |
| 15:42.24 | nsadmin | the driver and the firmware are two different things |
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| 15:42.32 | vixus | nsadmin, sney: as I say, it has been working fine up until this morning. iwconfig shows the interface as being UP but nm-applet will not connect to visible networks. |
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| 15:42.41 | born2troll | fken, i think the problem is more that setting up email server is a boring and anoying work what noone wanna do =) |
| 15:42.44 | sney | every computer issue worked right before it broke |
| 15:42.54 | sney | but still, 3rd party stuff is not supported by #debian |
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| 15:43.05 | nsadmin | when was the last time it worked? |
| 15:43.22 | fken | born2troll: Oh ... yes, you're tru : that's boring! |
| 15:43.24 | sney | fken, if you're asking a smart question then it's likely nobody is around who knows the answer |
| 15:43.26 | vixus | nsadmin: thursday evening. I have not performed any upgrades since then. |
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| 15:44.13 | vixus | nsadmin: nothing in dmesg suggests a fault. |
| 15:44.20 | fken | sney: well, I just posted my configurations and asked if there is something obviously strange in it |
| 15:44.42 | sney | fken, a lot of people won't just proofread your configs for you. if you have a lab system then just try it out |
| 15:44.59 | nsadmin | vixus, when was the last time you rebooted? |
| 15:45.07 | fken | sney: lab system ? |
| 15:45.14 | vixus | nsadmin: a minute ago.. |
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| 15:45.23 | vixus | nsadmin: I was testing the interface on windows |
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| 15:45.31 | sney | fken, e.g. a server that is used for testing, that you aren't going to put into production right away |
| 15:45.46 | fken | sney: ok |
| 15:45.58 | nsadmin | vixus, between thurs eve and now, when was the first time you rebooted? |
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| 15:46.07 | iluminator105 | how do i enable same image on all monitors from terminal |
| 15:46.11 | fken | sney: in fact, the configuration doesn't work. I already checked |
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| 15:46.48 | vixus | nsadmin: i shut down thursday night and then booted up friday afternoon. |
| 15:47.23 | sney | fken, then that's information you need to include when you ask, along with any error messages or "I expected ___ but instead ___ happened" |
| 15:47.27 | nsadmin | on fri. did you boot into linux? |
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| 15:48.09 | vixus | nsadmin: probably windows first. |
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| 15:48.31 | nsadmin | ok, when was the next time you booted into linux? |
| 15:48.35 | vixus | nsadmin: I just found a message in dmesg: "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
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| 15:49.04 | nsadmin | what was the time stamp? |
| 15:49.13 | fken | sney: I expected a message to be sent but instead, system said the message is bounced because of authentication failure and it send back the mail daemon failure message to my external mailbox (the sender one) |
| 15:49.52 | sney | fken, unfortunately I don't know much about email systems. :) but that's a good question, I advise you to take that to #postfix along with your config file and logs |
| 15:50.01 | fken | sney: anyway, I didn't want to write a lot of stuff before being sure someone is reading. Otherwise it would have polluted the channel |
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| 15:50.14 | vixus | nsadmin: there doesn't seem to be one. |
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| 15:50.29 | nsadmin | vixus, when was first time before this morning and after last thurs when you booted into linux? |
| 15:50.52 | nsadmin | vixus, oh, that would be the output of dmesg? |
| 15:50.57 | fken | sney: ok. I asked there first. But there is no answer . By the way, I got an advice on dovecot channel I am trying to follow |
| 15:51.04 | sney | fken, in cases like that I tend to type it up in a text file in case I have to take my question somewhere else. the standard way of asking in support IRC channels is to ask the whole question and wait. |
| 15:51.20 | nsadmin | I'm trying to zero in on the time frame it might have failed |
| 15:51.28 | vixus | nsadmin: possibly only last night. and I didn't try connecting to anything. I'm looking at the output of dmesg and /var/log/dmesg. |
| 15:51.47 | vixus | nsadmin: but I can't see any dates (except very old ones) or timestamps |
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| 15:52.16 | nsadmin | and eliminating as much of the time frame on either side of the time frame betweeh thurs and now |
| 15:52.36 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, i'm looking in syslog now the timestamp is today, 16:42 |
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| 15:52.50 | nsadmin | it could be that your net setup couoldn't survive a reboot for some reason |
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| 15:53.05 | nsadmin | is the machine running linux now? |
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| 15:53.55 | vixus | nsadmin: 3 minutes I see another message saying "link becomes ready" |
| 15:54.11 | vixus | nsadmin: sorry, scratch that |
| 15:54.14 | vixus | nsadmin: that was eth0 |
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| 15:54.23 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 15:54.44 | vixus | nsadmin: do you know what could be causing the issue with wlan0? |
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| 15:55.19 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, it says right before "deactivating device (reason 'managed')" |
| 15:55.27 | vixus | nsadmin: which suggests some kind of hardware switch? |
| 15:56.01 | nsadmin | what it could be or what it actually is? I have no idea for the latter; the former could be because the net wasn't set up permanently |
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| 15:56.41 | nsadmin | right now we don't know whether the card actually is working under linux, and I'd like to find otu |
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| 15:57.31 | vixus | nsadmin: but I have happily connected to wireless networks before and had the settings carry over reboots. |
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| 15:58.25 | nsadmin | vixus, let's find out how close we are. Are you running linux on that machine right now? |
| 15:58.36 | vixus | nsadmin: yes and it has a wired connection |
| 15:58.43 | nsadmin | oh ok... |
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| 15:59.09 | nsadmin | if you run ifconfig -a, does it show the wireless interface? and, what name is that interface? |
| 15:59.53 | vixus | nsadmin: wlan0 - not sure what you mean by name? |
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| 16:00.10 | nsadmin | the interface name is wlan0... |
| 16:00.25 | vixus | oh, then yes. |
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| 16:00.29 | nsadmin | ok, if you run ifconfig -without- -a, do you still see wlan0? |
| 16:00.38 | vixus | yes |
| 16:00.48 | nsadmin | ok, so the interface is up... |
| 16:00.54 | nsadmin | try: iwlist scan |
| 16:00.57 | vixus | sure |
| 16:01.06 | Guest19061 | I could use some help as well. |
| 16:01.23 | vixus | nsadmin: I see a bunch of networks. |
| 16:02.10 | nsadmin | ok, that's a very good sign: it means the driver and firmware are both present and I believe the card is working fine |
| 16:02.20 | vixus | great :) |
| 16:02.31 | vixus | should I try connecting to something? |
| 16:02.32 | nsadmin | do you see your own ap on the list? |
| 16:02.49 | vixus | nsadmin: so there seem to be multiple entries for the ap i want to use |
| 16:02.50 | nsadmin | what do you use to connect? |
| 16:03.07 | nsadmin | is it names "linksys"? |
| 16:03.21 | vixus | no, it's the university network |
| 16:03.31 | vixus | "Lapwing" |
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| 16:03.44 | nsadmin | probably you're seeing more than one ap that has the same name |
| 16:04.06 | vixus | yes |
| 16:04.23 | vixus | ok, i'll connect to one with a unique name |
| 16:04.31 | vixus | i'll have to do it with iwconfig though |
| 16:04.35 | nsadmin | when you connect, what do you use? |
| 16:04.36 | sney | university network? hey vixus, do they use any kind of authentication there? like, did you ever have to submit your MAC address to the network administrator, or anything like that? |
| 16:04.48 | vixus | sney: nah, not for this one |
| 16:05.05 | vixus | sney: it just puts you through a proxy |
| 16:05.19 | vixus | nsadmin: nm-applet usually |
| 16:05.28 | vixus | nsadmin: but since it's not doing anything icould try iwconfig |
| 16:05.32 | sney | hm, ok. because a mac filter on the AP would cause exactly this issue - everything seems to be working, and the AP is open, but you still can't connect |
| 16:05.42 | nsadmin | does the nm applet presently provide you with a list of nets/aps? |
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| 16:05.48 | vixus | nsadmin: yes. |
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| 16:06.08 | sney | when network-manager is running it will often interfere with your attempts to use wireless-tools and connect manually |
| 16:06.19 | Guest19061 | Can anyone tell me what's up with this? |
| 16:06.20 | Guest19061 | http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1233/screenshotwh.png |
| 16:06.23 | vixus | nsadmin: clicking on them does nothing, unless they are secured in which case it brings up a dialog and then does noithing. |
| 16:06.37 | nsadmin | so you can click on one of those nets and it tries? |
| 16:06.44 | vixus | nsadmin: no it doesn't try |
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| 16:07.21 | nsadmin | ok.... since this is the uni's aps, you can't see the lights |
| 16:07.22 | born2troll | fken, if ur still there https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto should be an interestng howto of postfix |
| 16:07.38 | fken | ok thank you |
| 16:08.07 | Guest19061 | Can anyone see my messages? |
| 16:08.09 | sney | Guest19061, are you using that wifi card to connect to the internet? |
| 16:08.20 | fken | Guest19061: which messages |
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| 16:08.28 | Guest19061 | I take that as a yes. |
| 16:08.37 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, whenever i try to connect to any AP that exists (with iwconfig) it doesn't do anything. |
| 16:08.39 | Guest19061 | I am using it to connect to the internet yes. |
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| 16:09.06 | Guest19061 | I just tried to install this thing.. I'm new to Linux muchless Debian. |
| 16:09.08 | sney | that's what's making the interface "busy" |
| 16:09.17 | nsadmin | vixus, hmm. maybe a missing executable involved in connection? |
| 16:09.26 | sney | you're using it already, so you can't use it for 2 things at once |
| 16:09.27 | vixus | nsadmin: if i type in the name of an essid that doesn't exist it says it in the ESSID field |
| 16:09.41 | Guest19061 | Hey Sney is there some other way for us to chat? |
| 16:09.51 | sney | please keep support questions in this channel |
| 16:10.00 | sney | that way if I don't know the answer to something, someone else might |
| 16:10.08 | Guest19061 | Oh.. |
| 16:10.16 | nsadmin | Guest19061, did you complete the install? |
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| 16:10.30 | Guest19061 | I think so. |
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| 16:10.55 | Guest19061 | This was what I was doing |
| 16:10.55 | Guest19061 | http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=injection_test |
| 16:11.03 | nsadmin | Guest19061, and did you reboot after? (or did the installer restart you)? |
| 16:11.04 | sney | Guest19061, if you are able, I recommend turning off network manager and your current wireless connection, and then trying with aireplay again once it's not in use |
| 16:11.20 | Guest19061 | Nope I didn't reboot after. |
| 16:11.26 | Guest19061 | I will disconnect now and try. |
| 16:11.40 | nsadmin | vixus, do things appear in dmesg when you try to connect? |
| 16:11.47 | sney | make sure network manager is disabled or it will keep trying to reconnect you |
| 16:12.08 | nsadmin | Guest19061, so you're in the installer now? |
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| 16:12.36 | sney | nsadmin, he was pretty clearly connected from a running system with a working wifi connection. I'm not sure what you're talking about |
| 16:13.47 | nsadmin | sney, just trying to see where he's at now... I'm given to understand he just installed..., what I'm wondering is if he rebooted into the new install |
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| 16:14.12 | sney | he linked a screenshot of two gnome root terminals |
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| 16:14.16 | sney | so I'm thinking yes. |
| 16:14.25 | dagr8one | Hey I'm guest whatever the heck it was. |
| 16:14.27 | nsadmin | sney, ahh, thanks |
| 16:14.39 | sney | dagr8one, much better this way |
| 16:14.45 | sney | any luck? |
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| 16:14.48 | dagr8one | So I disconnected from the internet and ran the aireplay-ng -9 |
| 16:14.51 | dagr8one | wlan0 |
| 16:14.59 | dagr8one | same error as the previous screen shot |
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| 16:15.15 | sney | hmm. well, I don't know much about aircrack, so maybe try asking in #aircrack-ng |
| 16:15.22 | dagr8one | Do you guys do remote assitance. |
| 16:15.24 | dagr8one | ? |
| 16:15.25 | dagr8one | Oh |
| 16:15.27 | dagr8one | Okay |
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| 16:15.42 | sney | no, and don't accept anyone's offer to fix things with an account on your system |
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| 16:17.32 | vixus | nsadmin: yeah, there appear to be messages from NetworkManager, even though I killed nm-applet. Basically it seems to be connecting ("authenticated", "associated") and them says "No network configuration found for the current AP" and then disconnects. |
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| 16:17.44 | dagr8one | Well I can't joing |
| 16:17.46 | dagr8one | #aircrack-ng |
| 16:17.47 | dagr8one | lol |
| 16:18.04 | nsadmin | vixus, the only thing I can think of why a connection attempt woulnd't do anything at the point you're describing, is missing files involved in connection (maybe configs, maybe executables) |
| 16:18.06 | vixus | nsadmin: Then it says "supplicant interface status inactive -> disconnected" |
| 16:18.24 | nsadmin | not saying that's the case, just the only thing I can presently think of |
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| 16:18.37 | vixus | nsadmin: I think networkmanager is at fault, personally |
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| 16:19.11 | dagr8one | Does Debian have a forum? |
| 16:19.23 | vixus | nsadmin: in fact, running nm-applet on the commandline and then attempting to join an AP, it says: "Failed to add/activate connection: Insufficient privileges" |
| 16:19.39 | addaddrx | nm applet is crap |
| 16:19.40 | metaphysician | dagr8one: Debian is the forum. |
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| 16:19.58 | vixus | nsadmin: perhaps i upgraded networkmanager recently and it isn't working in the current version |
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| 16:20.43 | nsadmin | not so sure about that (even as much as nm has been problematic in the past)... when you say that the lower level tools seem to be doing the same thing, that leads me to believe something is missing at a fairly low level |
| 16:21.06 | vixus | nsadmin: but it appears the lower level tools ARE connecting and then being disconnected by networkmanager |
| 16:21.33 | vixus | nsadmin: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Set_up_PolicyKit_permissions -- could be a possibility |
| 16:21.33 | nsadmin | vixus, do you think nm is doing the same thing as that? |
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| 16:22.02 | nsadmin | hmm. I dunno much about policy kit |
| 16:22.05 | vixus | nsadmin: I'm not an expert on the syslog messages, but my guess is that is what's happening |
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| 16:22.37 | dagr8one | #aircrack-ng Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 16:22.46 | dagr8one | =[ |
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| 16:23.04 | nsadmin | dagr8one, they'll help you with that part on #freenode |
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| 16:23.07 | vixus | nsadmin: in fact, nm-applet doesn't even attempt to connect, as it produced no output in syslog |
| 16:23.42 | nsadmin | what's the other nmlike thing? |
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| 16:24.31 | nsadmin | it's wicd |
| 16:24.36 | nsadmin | you could try that |
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| 16:25.05 | nsadmin | but wait, dunno if that would help |
| 16:25.30 | nsadmin | what was that ssid you quoted before? |
| 16:25.34 | addaddrx | dagr8one just register nick here |
| 16:26.02 | addaddrx | wicd works for me |
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| 16:26.52 | nsadmin | yeah same here, I had to pull it up to remember its name |
| 16:27.14 | nsadmin | we don't actually know what's working and what's not |
| 16:27.35 | nsadmin | maybe you'd care to offer another pair of eyes? |
| 16:28.28 | nsadmin | guess not... |
| 16:29.20 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, it appears if I disable the network-manager daemon I can actually connect to AP's. |
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| 16:29.28 | nsadmin | ok, vixus, could you check your /etc/network/interfaces for sensitive info and pastebin a copy? |
| 16:29.31 | vixus | nsadmin: using the commandline tools |
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| 16:29.44 | nsadmin | oh you can |
| 16:29.50 | dagr8one | I downloaded google chrome |
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| 16:29.57 | dagr8one | Let the installer install it |
| 16:29.57 | vixus | nsadmin: but internet access still seems no-go. |
| 16:29.59 | dagr8one | But no icon to run it |
| 16:30.09 | dagr8one | o_o |
| 16:30.12 | nsadmin | so you can connect |
| 16:30.18 | nsadmin | but it still doesn't work? |
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| 16:30.45 | vixus | nsadmin: yes, but it doesn't seem to be able to access the proxy login server (like it usually does). |
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| 16:30.52 | vixus | nsadmin: however i have been assigned an IP by dhclient |
| 16:31.28 | nsadmin | vixus, ok, stay connected to that... sec. |
| 16:32.03 | nsadmin | ping 209.191.122.70 |
| 16:32.14 | nsadmin | vixus, TRY THAT |
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| 16:32.31 | nsadmin | ERR... err... try that |
| 16:32.42 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, hold on... |
| 16:33.09 | vixus | nsadmin: hmm.. dhclient appears to have stuck :p |
| 16:33.10 | nsadmin | I think I know what it is, just realized |
| 16:33.15 | vixus | nsadmin: :o |
| 16:33.27 | nsadmin | is your wired connection still up? |
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| 16:33.42 | vixus | nsadmin: i just disabled it |
| 16:34.03 | nsadmin | ok, if you type route -n |
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| 16:34.12 | nsadmin | can you find your ip and your gw addresses? |
| 16:34.31 | vixus | nsadmin: no output.. i think i've lost it :( |
| 16:34.32 | nsadmin | oh, your assigned ip won't be in route -n |
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| 16:34.59 | nsadmin | hmm. |
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| 16:35.03 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, i'm going to start from scratch. so all my interfaces are disabled. |
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| 16:35.12 | vixus | nsadmin: i am now enabling wlan0. |
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| 16:35.35 | vixus | nsadmin: wlan0 is up. i'll try to connect to an AP. |
| 16:36.02 | nsadmin | great so far |
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| 16:36.10 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, connected to AP (I can see the MAC address) |
| 16:36.18 | vixus | nsadmin: will try and get an IP with dhclient |
| 16:36.46 | vixus | nsadmin: successfully got an IP. will now try accessing internet |
| 16:37.01 | nsadmin | ping 209.191.122.70 |
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| 16:37.44 | vixus | nsadmin: hey-o! i can see my proxy log in. |
| 16:37.52 | vixus | nsadmin: but it seems extremely extremely slow |
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| 16:38.50 | nsadmin | have you tried ping 209.191.122.70 |
| 16:39.03 | vixus | nsadmin: i can't ping external addresses until i log in to the proxy, I think. |
| 16:39.14 | vixus | nsadmin: but i'm trying now |
| 16:39.20 | nsadmin | ok |
| 16:39.23 | vixus | nsadmin: "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 16:39.27 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 16:39.32 | nsadmin | look at route -n |
| 16:39.51 | vixus | nsadmin: there are two lines |
| 16:40.07 | nsadmin | you could post them one at a time |
| 16:40.25 | vixus | nsadmin: 0.0.0.0 172.16.179.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 16:40.54 | nsadmin | try ping 172.16.179.254 |
| 16:40.54 | vixus | nsadmin: 172.16.176.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 16:41.16 | vixus | nsadmin: same error |
| 16:41.24 | nsadmin | hmm. the gw is not in your network |
| 16:41.25 | tremon | vixus: your network config is wrong |
| 16:41.36 | vixus | nsadmin: hmm, ok. |
| 16:41.43 | vixus | nsadmin: this is why i need to log in, i think |
| 16:41.52 | vixus | nsadmin: because the gateway was blocked on windows too until i logged in. |
| 16:42.37 | nsadmin | ok, try it and see |
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| 16:43.21 | vixus | nsadmin: huh. it seems unable to reach the page. :( gah. |
| 16:43.31 | vixus | "Cannot resolve hostname" |
| 16:44.10 | nsadmin | this proxy is located in the same room where you are? |
| 16:44.21 | nsadmin | or it's part of the uni? |
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| 16:44.25 | vixus | nsadmin: part of the uni |
| 16:44.51 | nsadmin | ok, then you need to get the low-level ip thing right |
| 16:45.10 | vixus | nsadmin: ok. |
| 16:45.13 | nsadmin | how did it get the netmask? |
| 16:45.30 | vixus | nsadmin: presumably through the dhclient command? |
| 16:45.56 | nsadmin | that sounds right... and, it's giving you a gw that's not in the same subnet |
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| 16:46.07 | vixus | nsadmin: ok. |
| 16:46.24 | nsadmin | could you go back to before the iwconfig? |
| 16:47.27 | vixus | nsadmin: so just with the interface up but not connected? |
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| 16:47.41 | nsadmin | in other words, tell dhclient to release the ip, then disconnect from the ap |
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| 16:48.22 | nsadmin | tremon, any idea why the dhcp server would make a mistake like that? |
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| 16:49.35 | vixus | nsadmin: ok, done |
| 16:49.51 | nsadmin | ok, connect to the ap, and show the command line |
| 16:49.56 | tremon | I've seen networking equipment that was unable to deal with weird netmasks. I suspect the correct netmask should be /22, I'm guessing something along the way didn't like the .252 |
| 16:50.25 | nsadmin | tremon, could also be /16 |
| 16:50.37 | tremon | but that's conjecture, I'd like to see the network configuration from the (presumed working) windows config |
| 16:50.51 | nsadmin | oh you're saying if it is /16 it's more likely to work |
| 16:50.52 | tremon | nsadmin: yeah but /16 would invalidate my theory ;) |
| 16:51.01 | tremon | yes |
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| 16:51.22 | vixus | tremon: I could try and obtain that for you.. |
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| 16:51.47 | tremon | vixus: if nothing else solves it for you, that would be very helpful |
| 16:52.10 | tremon | but I'd try overriding the route first, with either a /22 or /16 netmask |
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| 16:53.16 | vixus | tremon: how do I do that? |
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| 16:53.34 | vixus | actually, there is one thing i should try first. |
| 16:53.44 | nsadmin | which is? |
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| 16:54.05 | vixus | nsadmin: this policykit business... |
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| 16:54.29 | nsadmin | I'll defer to tremon for help with that |
| 16:54.40 | nsadmin | I'll be learning as much as you will |
| 16:54.52 | tremon | nsadmin: yeah, thanks for that ;) |
| 16:54.53 | vixus | nsadmin: a solution was proposed on the !# forum a week or so ago |
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| 16:55.54 | tremon | vixus: can you try ip route del 172.16.176.0/24 ; ip route add 172.16.176.0/22 dev wlan0 |
| 16:56.16 | tremon | not sure that syntax even works... |
| 16:57.03 | vixus | nsadmin, tremon: hmm, so nm-applet does connect to stuff now |
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| 16:57.13 | vixus | nsadmin, tremon: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20418/solved-statlersid-permission-problems/ |
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| 16:57.26 | nsadmin | vixus, and the connection is working? |
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| 16:57.37 | vixus | nsadmin: yes |
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| 16:57.44 | vixus | phew |
| 16:57.45 | vixus | finally |
| 16:57.46 | nsadmin | oh cool :) |
| 16:57.53 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 16:58.01 | vixus | see the link |
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| 16:58.05 | vixus | policykit's nonsense |
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| 16:58.37 | tremon | vixus: a one-line summary would be helpful... |
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| 16:59.08 | vixus | tremon, nsadmin: so basically, because I'm using an unnatural window manager (herbstluftwm) a policykit service doesn't seem to get started. |
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| 16:59.33 | vixus | tremon, nsadmin: hence you have to start it before running nm-applet because otherwise nm-applet doesn't try to connect to anything. |
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| 16:59.47 | tremon | you're using autumn air in midsummer? |
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| 16:59.55 | vixus | tremon: :p |
| 17:00.05 | tremon | vixus: I'm still curious about your routing table... has it changed? |
| 17:00.08 | vixus | tremon: i'm from the UK, we have very little midsummer |
| 17:00.10 | vixus | tremon: let me see |
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| 17:00.30 | vixus | tremon: no it looks identical. |
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| 17:00.58 | vixus | tremon: however now i can successfully ping the gateway |
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| 17:01.09 | tremon | odd... do you have a special client installed for that network? |
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| 17:02.13 | vixus | tremon: no. but a hint is that it only works with browsers like firefox or chrome, not little dwb. |
| 17:02.51 | vixus | tremon: i'm not sure why that's the case though |
| 17:03.25 | tremon | yeah but ping shouldn't care about your browser, and I still can't figure out how you can ping x.x.19.x from an x.x.16.x/24 network... unless they do very ugly things with transparent firewalls/gateways |
| 17:03.44 | nsadmin | when you say "it only works with ...", what's the it? |
| 17:04.14 | tremon | just out of curiosity, can you paste a traceroute to a known location (say, www.debian.org)? |
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| 17:04.56 | vixus | nsadmin: the login process. |
| 17:05.10 | vixus | tremon: lemme see |
| 17:05.40 | nsadmin | oh ok, thanks... and, other browsers do work once you're logged in, just for browsing the net? |
| 17:06.06 | vixus | nsadmin: yes, dwb works fine once i'm logged in. |
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| 17:06.53 | nsadmin | tremon, maybe the login thing looks at the browser string |
| 17:06.53 | vixus | tremon: pastebin.com/DeJEB2ma |
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| 17:07.59 | nsadmin | vixus, also your dns resolving is working? |
| 17:08.10 | vixus | nsadmin: when i tried logging in with dwb, it brought up the login page but then when i submitted the form it "Couldn't resolve hostname" for the auth server. On further attempts to log in it said I was but then failed to load any external sites (just redirected to login page). |
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| 17:08.38 | nsadmin | you could ping yahoo.com? |
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| 17:08.43 | vixus | tremon: sorry, had to fill in captcha, that link should work now |
| 17:08.44 | tremon | hmm... first hop... 172.16.179.253. But your default gateway was .254, right? |
| 17:08.54 | deadmund | lsmod shows that I'm using 'radeon' for my rv350 (radeon mobility 9600 m10) but lspci -k shows 'radeonfb' Which is correct? |
| 17:08.56 | vixus | nsadmin: yep |
| 17:09.07 | nsadmin | great... |
| 17:09.12 | vixus | tremon: you are right |
| 17:09.20 | vixus | tremon: it is .254 |
| 17:09.34 | nsadmin | I'm not suggesting you do this now... but at some pt you should see if it survives a reboot |
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| 17:10.14 | vixus | nsadmin: i agree. i'll tell you if it does :) |
| 17:10.36 | tremon | deadmund: radeonfb is the framebuffer overlay, I think it's needed for the consoles. I'd try asking on #radeon |
| 17:10.55 | deadmund | tremon, I thought they were two conflicting things. I'll ask in #radeon. Thank you :) |
| 17:11.00 | nsadmin | vixus, only do it if you're sure things are permanent |
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| 17:12.26 | vixus | nsadmin: i rebooted to get this running so hopefully they are |
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| 17:12.36 | tremon | vixus: well as long as it's working :) |
| 17:12.55 | vixus | tremon: agreed... i'm not sure what hoops the university network goes through. :p |
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| 17:17.02 | derric | Is anyone else have troube with Adobe's POS flashplayer crashing iceeasal and firefoz? |
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| 17:17.21 | vixus | nsadmin, tremon: thanks for all your help in any case |
| 17:17.41 | vixus | nsadmin, tremon: i learned a bunch :) |
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| 17:18.13 | boudiccas | vixus: so document it somewhere for the next time |
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| 17:19.25 | vixus | boudiccas: where would you suggest? it's all explained in that forum topic. |
| 17:19.47 | nsadmin | vixus, meetoo, I learned I gotta figure out what's a policykit |
| 17:19.53 | zophy | what is the3 difference between debian and redhat and fedora ? |
| 17:19.54 | boudiccas | vixus: in a blog post, that way its accesible when you're away from home |
| 17:20.07 | vixus | boudiccas: i don't have a blog yet :p |
| 17:20.08 | bla | zophy, hardly debian question...;) |
| 17:20.09 | nsadmin | zophy, debian is well tested |
| 17:20.21 | vixus | boudiccas: should have tumblr soon |
| 17:20.21 | bla | zophy, or, wait. tot fast. |
| 17:20.27 | craigevil | !why debian |
| 17:20.28 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:21.09 | zophy | ah, ask questions in #debian |
| 17:21.20 | nsadmin | redhat doesn't actually exist as an os or a company... it was bought by venture capitalists |
| 17:21.45 | zophy | nsadmin: heh, so what is it ? |
| 17:22.38 | zophy | i haven't been to the redhat website in 9 years |
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| 17:22.47 | nsadmin | redhat became fedora, and redhat itself was dropped and replaced by rhel |
| 17:23.25 | zophy | rhel is the enterprise ? |
| 17:23.27 | zophy | yes |
| 17:24.06 | zophy | The domain name RHEL.COM is for sale |
| 17:24.08 | nsadmin | so enough about that... you have enough info to look up anything youwant |
| 17:24.08 | zophy | heheh |
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| 17:25.58 | zophy | the unmentionalble website looks very lame |
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| 17:26.57 | zophy | how does debian address enterprise system storage requirements ? |
| 17:27.25 | nsadmin | the same VCs also bought arsdigita, tried to change their product, very successful using mostly tcl, and changed to java, and that failed miserably |
| 17:27.30 | tremon | such as...? |
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| 17:28.08 | ompaul | zophy: stop trolling rhel.com is a registered domian name for more than 10 years - debian allows you do things like work with your hardware, there is something called the debianhcl which will give you some information, |
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| 17:28.44 | zophy | tremon: such as, which buzzwords can i use in a meeting about using debian ? |
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| 17:29.02 | ompaul | it works with big hardware . # |
| 17:29.07 | tremon | zophy: we have #debian-offtopic for that |
| 17:29.18 | nsadmin | ompaul, probably the site got hacked... the first thing it says is the name is for sale |
| 17:29.52 | zophy | ompaul: ^^^^^^ |
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| 17:30.32 | Woet | how can I detach a gdb session if I entered 'run' in the gdb CLI? I cannot enter "detach" because I typed "run" earlier, the CLI is gone. |
| 17:31.02 | ompaul | nsadmin: or it's one of those little pigs who think they are on to a good thing and will sell it for many K |
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| 17:31.27 | nsadmin | yeah they want 8 grand |
| 17:31.33 | ompaul | there you go |
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| 17:31.56 | kevlarman | Woet: ^C will get you a gdb prompt |
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| 17:34.13 | tremon | Woet: can you try SIGTRAP? |
| 17:34.30 | Woet | kevlarman / tremon: ^C worked, ty |
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| 17:39.05 | toad_ | all apps using alsa consistently segfault with a variety of configurations from the internet which i've used to try to solve the "how to get dmix and upmixing at the same time" problem ... surely production software should not segfault with any reasonable config? should alsa be removed from debian because it's apparently both unmaintained and unstable? |
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| 17:41.05 | craigevil | bla blah alsa ate my goldfish,, it works just fine here with no problems ever |
| 17:41.11 | toad_ | :) |
| 17:41.52 | toad_ | well the point is it segfaults consistently with well known off the shelf configs that don't do anything grossly unwise, in any other piece of software that would be regarded as a serious bug |
| 17:42.26 | tremon | toad_: the correct course of action would be to report a serious bug, not to yank the software |
| 17:42.53 | craigevil | after of course searching the BTS |
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| 17:43.12 | slidesinger-lt | I have an oddball situation: An appliance (24 track recorder) that has a builtin ftp server, ftp is the only option on this box. Debian 6.0.5 running ardour2 is where we want to do mixdowns. I'd like to achieve similar functionality to what I do with rsync and the rest of the workstations on the LAN. |
| 17:43.14 | slidesinger-lt | The standard ftp client does not seem to be the best tool for the job, though I could write a script that would list files and compare timestamps and copy if the timestamps are newer, but I wanted to ask if anyone knew of a better way do this. Suggestions? |
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| 17:43.50 | toad_ | bets this is at least 2 years old ... |
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| 17:45.35 | tremon | can't rsync speak ftp? |
| 17:45.36 | g105b | how can I disable the default X screensaver from a remote terminal? |
| 17:46.06 | tremon | I'd go looking for a fuse ftp mount and still use rsync |
| 17:46.38 | toad_ | this is wierd ... lots of alsa bugs but NONE involving segfaults?! |
| 17:46.57 | slidesinger-lt | tremon: that's a great idea. I'll look into that. I also got the suggestion to try wget --mirror. |
| 17:47.04 | toad_ | wonders if it's because i have a non-distro kernel or something? |
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| 17:47.42 | slidesinger-lt | either one can be set up as a cron job, which is the goal. |
| 17:47.51 | zophy | oh man that redhat website is soooo dumb, i feel sick that i have ever had anything to do with linux, it's so sad |
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| 17:48.12 | toad_ | is it possible that it only segfaults because i use a nonstandard kernel? :| |
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| 17:48.34 | gnarface | toad_: its more likely something indirectly related to that |
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| 17:48.57 | gnarface | toad_: like you turned off something alsa requires, or you're doing something it doesn't like as far as mixing versions of userland tools/drivers |
| 17:48.58 | zophy | redhat needs to hire a website designer |
| 17:49.02 | toad_ | the simplest configs don't segfault - it segfaults if there's anything to do with upmixing afaics |
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| 17:49.08 | gnarface | snickers@redhat |
| 17:49.14 | slidesinger-lt | The recorder's ethernet is only 10MB, so 4 minutes of 24 track 48K audio takes sixteen minutes to move, so automation is going to be a real plus. |
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| 17:49.30 | slidesinger-lt | tremon: thanks |
| 17:49.38 | toad_ | gnarface hmmm i think the drivers/libraries are all standard... |
| 17:49.52 | tremon | g105b: you can use xset |
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| 17:50.13 | zophy | are there any pictures of white men on the redhat website ? |
| 17:50.15 | toad_ | there isn't anything pinned related to alsa anyway |
| 17:50.29 | gnarface | toad_: and you're on squeeze? |
| 17:50.33 | toad_ | yep |
| 17:50.48 | gnarface | toad_: well did you even try a stock kernel to compare? |
| 17:50.50 | toad_ | squeeze with a mainline kernel |
| 17:50.54 | toad_ | that's a good idea |
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| 17:50.57 | toad_ | will try it |
| 17:51.10 | toad_ | if it supports my hardware... |
| 17:51.12 | jelly-home | not mainline, one from the distro |
| 17:51.17 | jelly-home | or that |
| 17:51.20 | jelly-home | !bdo kernel |
| 17:51.20 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 17:52.06 | gnarface | toad_: if the culprit is not your kernel configuration then the next thing i would check would be for hardware-specific module flags for your alsa driver, and whether any are set currently/should be |
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| 17:52.53 | gnarface | toad_: i assume you have a fairly complex ~/.asoundrc then too? is this behavior you can recreate with multiple programs, or have you just been testing with one? |
| 17:53.56 | toad_ | multiple programs - ogg123, the speaker test program, etc |
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| 17:54.19 | toad_ | i had a simple asoundrc, i've been trying to find a way to do upmixing and dmix at the same time, the ones i've found on the web are mostly quite complex |
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| 17:55.42 | toad_ | how do i set flags? you mean on the alsa module, or on the driver module? or ... ? |
| 17:55.47 | gnarface | toad_: so you're using squeeze's alsa userland stuff with a current vanilla kernel, ... does the problem disappear when you ditch the ~/.asoundrc and the upmixing? |
| 17:56.01 | gnarface | toad_: i meant on the driver module |
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| 17:56.17 | toad_ | yeah, if i ditch the asoundrc, it works |
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| 17:56.59 | g105b | My system is installed on a 16GB SD card, but typing `dh -h` shows I only have a few MB free - is there a way to increase the partition to use the whole SD card? |
| 17:57.05 | gnarface | toad_: so, you create a file in /etc/modprobe.d like /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf for example, with a line that goes something like options [module name] [module options] |
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| 17:57.32 | toad_ | okay, there is nothing in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 17:57.39 | toad_ | will look up whether it needs specific options |
| 17:57.51 | gnarface | toad_: you can get options with modinfo -p |
| 17:58.56 | toad_ | snd-ca0106 has no options according to docs :| |
| 17:59.03 | gnarface | toad_: stuff like the onboard cards popular these days that use the snd_hda_intel driver both lack hardware mixing (making dmix more of a P.I.T.A. to begin with) and come in many different configurations as well |
| 17:59.17 | toad_ | okay modinfo says it has 4 options |
| 17:59.36 | toad_ | this isn't integrated, it's a nice chip |
| 18:00.03 | toad_ | but it doesn't include hardware mixing :| |
| 18:00.11 | toad_ | at least the driver doesn't expose that |
| 18:00.13 | gnarface | toad_: so look at subsystem perhaps, make sure that it autodetects right by default by hardwiring it to what your card is actually supposed to be? couldn't hurt... |
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| 18:00.20 | Razor1101 | I need to tunnel everything through tor proxy. How do you do it? |
| 18:00.29 | Razor1101 | Anyone? |
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| 18:00.43 | toad_ | Razor1101 it won't give you the benefits you might hope for you need to run the Tor Browser Bundle |
| 18:00.43 | zophy | what's alan cox been up yo lately ? |
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| 18:01.40 | Razor1101 | Its for browsers only |
| 18:01.53 | toad_ | yes and there are lots of ways the browser gives itself away |
| 18:01.59 | toad_ | that privoxy won't block |
| 18:02.00 | Razor1101 | i need to tunnel data from the terminal too |
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| 18:02.10 | toad_ | https://panopticlick.eff.org/ |
| 18:02.30 | Razor1101 | disabling javascript and flash should help |
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| 18:02.37 | toad_ | your browsers are likely pretty easily identified even with tor+privoxy ... the Tor Browser Bundle improves significantly on that |
| 18:02.43 | toad_ | yeah, true |
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| 18:03.18 | calrogman | That's one hell of a mask. |
| 18:03.34 | AimHere | It's 256 IPs out of 4 billion |
| 18:03.50 | toad_ | gonna try distro kernel, brb |
| 18:03.50 | Razor1101 | Hmmm |
| 18:03.59 | calrogman | Yeah but consider NAT and you just blocked a small ISP and all of its customers. |
| 18:04.07 | Razor1101 | Why block him |
| 18:04.08 | ansgar | More like >700. |
| 18:04.35 | themill | if irc provided nicer ways of doing this, I'd be happy to. |
| 18:05.00 | gnarface | would block a whole continent just to shut up a few spammers |
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| 18:05.06 | Razor1101 | you might have to block 24.*.*.* |
| 18:05.32 | Razor1101 | to actually block him |
| 18:05.36 | ansgar | gnarface: You don't like America? ;) |
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| 18:05.46 | nsadmin | 24. is from a big isp like comcast or att |
| 18:05.54 | Razor1101 | even that doesnt work sometimes |
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| 18:10.47 | aguitel | how install emerald in testing |
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| 18:11.30 | toad_ | hmmm, alsa still segfaults with the upmixing configs |
| 18:11.36 | toad_ | even on the stock kernel |
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| 18:12.41 | toad_ | and it even segfaults on a massively simplified minimal upmixing config |
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| 18:15.36 | toad_ | hmmm, pcm.dmixer with a table of bindings causes it to segfault ... without the table of bindings, the upmixing pcm doesn't work ("Slave PCM not usable") |
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| 18:15.59 | gnarface | toad_: starting to sound like a driver bug |
| 18:16.09 | tremon | toad_: not trying to push you away, but don't you think #alsa would be a better place? |
| 18:16.35 | toad_ | tremon yeah i tried that there's nobody there that's why i said it was unsupported :| |
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| 18:21.33 | gnarface | toad_: could be specific to dmix. jack could do this and sidesteps dmix, doesn't it? |
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| 18:22.07 | toad_ | gnarface i did try to do it with pulseaudio but got even worse problems with that :| |
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| 18:22.23 | toad_ | it would just make a constant hissing noise :| |
| 18:22.45 | toad_ | and it was a real PITA to get upmixing working at the same time as alsa-redirect-to-pulse |
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| 18:42.35 | deadmund | I don't have gnome-volume-manager and apt-file doesn't return any packages that provide it. How can I get this command? |
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| 18:43.44 | deadmund | perhaps it is not available in powerpc ? |
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| 18:52.11 | jparkton | does someone know if there is a way to set colors for vim ? |
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| 18:52.36 | jparkton | like class = blue if = green? |
| 18:53.21 | sney | yeah, there are a million vim themes on the internet. I think they're normally distributed in a .vimrc file |
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| 18:54.32 | mycae | Hi, is there some way to tell gpg that I trust a key that I have imported? I copied one of my own keys from one VM to another, and now it complains (it still works, but spits out big "danger" messages) |
| 18:55.30 | mycae | gpg mentions something about ownertrust, but doesn't say what the contents of the ownertrust files shuold be |
| 18:56.10 | dvs | mycae: You use the --edit-keys option to change the trust level of the key |
| 18:56.42 | mycae | that option isn't in the manpage |
| 18:56.48 | mycae | is this only available for newer gpg? |
| 18:56.52 | mycae | >1.4.11 |
| 18:57.15 | dvs | oops it's "edit-key" |
| 18:57.15 | mycae | ah --edit-key -- thnx |
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| 18:57.34 | dvs | np |
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| 19:02.35 | rzs19 | and again, and again, how to set the default graphic adapter for console output? |
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| 19:17.13 | gotmynick | rzs19, if you have more than one graphic device, that is usually set at BIOS menu |
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| 19:27.03 | suprbly | cd .. |
| 19:27.11 | suprbly | sorry wrong shell |
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| 19:27.38 | Cueball | I've done worse suprbly |
| 19:28.40 | suprbly | hehe thanks |
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| 19:33.28 | rzs19 | gotmynick: i just can switch between igd, pcie and agp, but not between pcie cards |
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| 19:34.07 | gotmynick | rzs19, sorry I do not know of any option to choose that at boot |
| 19:34.14 | gotmynick | there are options for serial console, etc |
| 19:34.19 | gotmynick | but for that.... |
| 19:34.21 | jtrucks | if I have a machine on 6.0.2, isn't apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade supposed to install the latest update like 6.0.5? |
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| 19:34.26 | fang0654 | What's a good filesystem to mount in multiple places? I'm using drbd with a dual-primary setup |
| 19:34.34 | jtrucks | or do I have to change the repos or some such? |
| 19:34.41 | SpComb | NFS |
| 19:35.11 | fang0654 | The block device appears local on each machine, so I'm looking more for the low-level fs |
| 19:35.19 | dvs | jtrucks: it should |
| 19:35.19 | jtrucks | fang0654: largely depends on your hardware and networking options |
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| 19:36.11 | fang0654 | jtrucks: I'm doing it mainly for setting up a HA proxmox server. The two machines are next to each other with a crossover cable connecting them, so drbd can sync as fast as the drives can write |
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| 19:37.17 | jtrucks | hmmm. dunno the best, but I tend to look at things like gluster, lustre, gpfs, etc... some of which are horrid overkill if you don't have a large operation and some of them are horridly expensive |
| 19:37.54 | fang0654 | jtrucks: Yeah, was hoping ext4 would be able to handle it, but read/writes don't seem to be updating on the other side without remounting |
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| 19:38.14 | thewanderer1 | fang0654: ext4 is not a cluster FS... |
| 19:38.27 | SpComb | not sure I've ever heard of a filesystem that could deal with the mounted block device changing behind its back (drdb) |
| 19:38.29 | jtrucks | you need a clustering filesystem |
| 19:38.47 | thewanderer1 | fang0654: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:38.47 | fang0654 | ok, that gives me a jumping point to google around for then. Thanks |
| 19:39.07 | jtrucks | ooh. this was installed with cdrom entries for sources.list |
| 19:39.37 | dvs | jtrucks: So if you have Internet, change it! |
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| 19:40.01 | jtrucks | yeah, that's what I'm doing now. |
| 19:40.02 | jtrucks | :) |
| 19:40.09 | SpComb | afaik all of those mentioned filesystems will have their own network protocols, not a shared drdb block device |
| 19:40.23 | fang0654 | Running two proxmox servers clustered. Trying to see if I can get it to instantly fail over without having to manually mount the drives on the failed system |
| 19:40.44 | thewanderer1 | oh, so yes, that's a case for shared-disk filesystems |
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| 19:41.02 | thewanderer1 | try OCFS2 |
| 19:41.29 | fang0654 | thewanderer1: ok thanks, will look into it |
| 19:42.08 | jtrucks | now it's working :) |
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| 19:42.29 | dvs | jtrucks: How many hundreds of packages? ;-P |
| 19:42.45 | jtrucks | dvs: only 31 |
| 19:42.51 | dvs | awww |
| 19:42.59 | SpComb | ah, GFS may |
| 19:43.07 | jtrucks | heh yeah |
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| 19:44.27 | symptom | Does anyone in the channel have experience with creating a software raid on debian after the initial install? Right now I have 2 disks. 1 for the OS the other for storage. I want to add a 3rd later and mirror my storage. Is this possible? Where should I start my research? |
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| 19:45.07 | bzed | symptom: well what do you want to do exactly? create a mirror over 3 disks? |
| 19:45.14 | dvs | symptom: So you probably want RAID 1 once you get that third drive |
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| 19:45.29 | bzed | symptom: or do you want to migrate to a raid5? |
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| 19:46.08 | symptom | bzed, dvs Raid 1 over my two storage disks. I only have one right now though. The thrid disk is for OS only. |
| 19:46.36 | symptom | I havent set any of this up yet. |
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| 19:46.58 | thewanderer1 | symptom: so you want to set up RAID1 on two, otherwise blank disks? |
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| 19:47.48 | symptom | thewanderer1, yes. However I only have 1 disk right now. I want to use that for hte time being then buy another disk later and set up the mirror whilst preserving data. basically resliver the new disk. |
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| 19:48.25 | thewanderer1 | symptom: you can create a degraded (1-disk) RAID1 on the new disk, move your data there, boot from it, and then add another disk |
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| 19:48.50 | dvs | symptom: http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID |
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| 19:49.02 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure about the required GRUB-related steps, you'll find out if you missed anything :P |
| 19:49.28 | symptom | thewanderer1, ok, Can I install debian now without software raid then add disks later and raid them? |
| 19:49.33 | sney | yes |
| 19:49.52 | thewanderer1 | symptom: yes, although it requires manual work, whereas the installer makes RAID simpler. |
| 19:49.57 | sney | well, unless you want your root filesystem to be on the raid |
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| 19:50.10 | thewanderer1 | you can move your rootfs to RAID just fine |
| 19:50.19 | symptom | no. The RAID will be storage disks ONLY. No OS disks. |
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| 19:50.45 | thewanderer1 | symptom: it's recommended to use RAID for the OS too, but in the end, you get to decide |
| 19:50.56 | sney | it's pretty straightforward to put, say, /home on a RAID post-install. takes like 5 minutes with mdadm (maybe 10 if you've never done it before) |
| 19:51.10 | dvs | is afraid to put the OS on RAID |
| 19:51.23 | thewanderer1 | dvs: not the other way around? :D |
| 19:51.42 | symptom | thewanderer1, couldn't i just re-install the OS if something goes awry? |
| 19:51.44 | sney | I put the OS on a small expendable disk and keep a backup image |
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| 19:51.49 | dvs | heh |
| 19:51.50 | thewanderer1 | symptom: sure |
| 19:51.51 | symptom | I cant retake pictures of my daughter.... |
| 19:52.19 | thewanderer1 | and yeah, backups are crucial and RAID is no replacement for backups |
| 19:52.21 | symptom | I think I follow the wiki link and mess around on a VM for now. |
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| 19:52.38 | symptom | thewanderer1, this is my backup machine. |
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| 19:52.42 | thewanderer1 | oh :P |
| 19:52.56 | ompaul | a corrupt raid card will kill your data, only backups work |
| 19:53.00 | dvs | no backup for the backup machine? ;-P |
| 19:53.14 | symptom | yea, this way all my important stuff will be on 3 disks. Only thing I dont have is offsite... too expensive |
| 19:53.15 | thewanderer1 | I'd use FreeBSD or Nexenta with ZFS for that, honestly... or maybe Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 19:53.35 | symptom | although i might workout an offsite share with a buddy of mine. We could both rsync our stuff to eachother. |
| 19:53.40 | symptom | like an offsite co-op |
| 19:53.49 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that tends to work well |
| 19:54.02 | ompaul | symptom: so you have relatives - you install a cheap box use a service like dydns rsync once a week |
| 19:54.04 | sney | or get a tape drive off ebay, put the really important stuff on some DLTs in a sealed container |
| 19:54.24 | symptom | ompaul, yup. Probably will do something like that later. |
| 19:54.24 | ompaul | symptom: do the same for them - everyone happy |
| 19:54.28 | thewanderer1 | tapes - cheap; tape *drive* - a matter of a few hundred bucks... |
| 19:54.40 | dvs | hasn't used a tape drive since the CD2120 days |
| 19:54.52 | symptom | is nexenta free? |
| 19:54.55 | ompaul | symptom: but the disk crash is scheduled for Tuesday afternoon when everyone's out ... |
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| 19:55.09 | thewanderer1 | symptom: kind of - it has an "open core" + commercial GUIs |
| 19:55.40 | thewanderer1 | it's hard to find the right page, but it's called Nexenta Core Platform, NCP |
| 19:55.41 | symptom | I was actually going to use opensolaris with zfs but I want to set up owncloud as well, and Im sure that is much easier task on linux than on Solaris |
| 19:56.04 | thewanderer1 | Nexenta on VM + Linux on another VM? |
| 19:56.29 | symptom | thewanderer1, running this on an EEEPC.... ;) |
| 19:56.53 | sergiu-dev | Who know some good gnu calculator for windows |
| 19:56.56 | thewanderer1 | oh... Debian/kFreeBSD might be the choice for you, then |
| 19:57.09 | simonlnu | sergiu-dev: ask ##windows |
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| 19:57.39 | thewanderer1 | ZFS in the kernel + lots of useful packages... not perfect on desktops yet, but for server uses should do the job |
| 19:58.25 | Guest17842 | I have a question on "make samples" : does it require internet and if its old FS version will it ensure that conf is as suited for it instead of making it suited for latest FS |
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| 19:59.38 | bor0 | hello, I am building "qutecom" from its source file. so I can get a 32-bit ELF file successfully (on my 32-bit debian) but I can't get a 64-bit ELF, eventhough I use the parameter --libsuffix 64 to the build script |
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| 20:00.03 | bor0 | any ideas? |
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| 20:01.26 | sergiu-dev | !ping |
| 20:01.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:01.27 | Guest17842 | Cron jobs : I am running Debian Lenny. Cron jobs are not running at all. I tested using run-parts --test /etc/cron.hourly and it shows them though |
| 20:02.03 | sergiu-dev | where can i use ping |
| 20:02.43 | symptom | Thanks for your help all. Gonna mess around with this on a VM then take the plunge |
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| 20:04.51 | simonlnu | sergiu-dev: in a terminal |
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| 20:06.12 | Guest17842 | I have a question on "make samples" : does it require internet and if its old FS version will it ensure that conf is as suited for it instead of making it suited for latest FS |
| 20:06.19 | Guest17842 | Cron jobs : I am running Debian Lenny. Cron jobs are not running at all. I tested using run-parts --test /etc/cron.hourly and it shows them though |
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| 20:07.29 | simonlnu | is cron running? |
| 20:08.12 | Guest17842 | no, how do i start it and make it strat evertime i reboot ? |
| 20:08.22 | Guest17842 | i mean it is in my init.d |
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| 20:08.59 | Guest17842 | its giving an error |
| 20:08.59 | Guest17842 | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
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| 20:09.05 | Guest17842 | simonlnu: i am going to search for it |
| 20:09.10 | n-iCe | Hi |
| 20:09.17 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: well, look at the log and see why it can't start! |
| 20:09.40 | simonlnu | it's supposed to. did you disable it? |
| 20:10.07 | n-iCe | I am in troubles I cant connect to the internet it dmesg says owned by kernel |
| 20:10.13 | n-iCe | Any idea? |
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| 20:11.03 | n-iCe | Compat: exports duplicate symbol skb_flow_dissect (owned by kernel) |
| 20:11.10 | simonlnu | *blink* |
| 20:11.24 | simonlnu | kernel bug |
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| 20:11.31 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: Error: bad minute; while reading /etc/crontab |
| 20:11.33 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe: what exactly did you do to your kernel? |
| 20:11.39 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: well there you go |
| 20:11.43 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: can you tell what is wrong in my crontab ? |
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| 20:11.51 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: i checked and it is looking alright |
| 20:12.05 | n-iCe | Installed headers I think thewanderer1 |
| 20:12.06 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: paste a link to the crontab, I'll have a look |
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| 20:12.29 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe: hmm, this looks like a module compilation gone wrong |
| 20:12.50 | thewanderer1 | like you took a module for one kernel version, forced a compile on your version, and tried to load it... |
| 20:13.03 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/P8TqxPXS |
| 20:13.55 | n-iCe | What should I do |
| 20:13.59 | simonlnu | it's not alright, it's telling you what's wrong |
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| 20:14.06 | simonlnu | Guest17842: ^^ |
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| 20:14.27 | simonlnu | thewanderer1: it smells like that |
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| 20:15.05 | UltraMC | Where Debian 6 Squeeze stores cronjobs logs? |
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| 20:15.45 | thewanderer1 | UltraMC: /var/log/daemon.log I think |
| 20:15.58 | Guest17842 | simonlnu: so what's wrong with telling me what's wrong ? lol |
| 20:16.23 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 20:16.37 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: look at line 14. |
| 20:16.38 | UltraMC | thewanderer1, you think? |
| 20:17.29 | thewanderer1 | UltraMC: don't have means of checking, since I have custom logging setups in place. but that's what I recall. |
| 20:17.49 | thewanderer1 | could be daemon.log, messages, or syslog. can't be hard to check :P |
| 20:18.19 | UltraMC | I need executed jobs log |
| 20:18.30 | UltraMC | Not shoulded ones |
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| 20:18.56 | thewanderer1 | make your jobs echo something on success, then |
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| 20:19.22 | bor0 | 5 |
| 20:21.35 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: i made it into single line now. I tried starting cron again using /etc/init.d/cron start and I get this error still : "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed!". I checked the log file again and it is not indicating any error there |
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| 20:22.07 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: but there is a process cron running, don't know why it gave that error |
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| 20:22.34 | UltraMC | thewanderer1, its not what Ive asked for |
| 20:23.44 | thewanderer1 | UltraMC: can you please state your need in a more clear way? |
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| 20:24.27 | fbh | UltraMC: It logs to syslog whenever it executes a job and the output of the job is usually delivered to the local users mailbox |
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| 20:28.21 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: ? |
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| 20:30.08 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: I'm as surprised as you are... I can't tell why there was a failure reported if it indeed succeeded, maybe the init script doesn't envision some return values |
| 20:30.57 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: ok |
| 20:32.00 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: i am trying to do logrotate on a log file that I moved out of syslog to separate log file. I read online and put a script in /etc/logrotate.d/ but i can't understand it. If i want a log file to last a week and 3 weeks befor eit to go into .gz, can you tell how to make the logrpotate ? i don't need more than a month |
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| 20:33.25 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: oh, I don't do log rotation, sorry |
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| 20:34.24 | Guest17842 | thewanderer1: ok |
| 20:35.08 | Guest17842 | i am trying to do logrotate on a log file that I moved out of syslog to separate log file. I read online and put a script in /etc/logrotate.d/ but i can't understand it. If i want a log file to last a week and 3 weeks befor eit to go into .gz, can you tell how to make the logrpotate ? i don't need more than a month |
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| 20:35.36 | Corey | Guest17842: Hmm. I know delaycompress punts it a day, is there a "wait 21 days before compression" flag? |
| 20:35.41 | Corey | Not entirely sure what the value of that would be. :-) |
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| 20:36.49 | fbh | Guest17842: If you look at the manual for logrotate it should be fairly simple to write what you are looking for. Really, I am not trying to be degrading or anything, but getting better and mastering the man-reading techniques really helps you far along the way of Linux sysadmin'ing |
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| 20:37.36 | Guest17842 | i read online about logrotate, but its poorly documented, man pages are in my view not easy unless you already know quite a bit |
| 20:38.37 | fbh | You want it to be rotated on a daily basis but the rotated files to stay uncompressed for 3 weeks or do you want rotation every 3 weeks? |
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| 20:43.33 | fbh | Guest17842: " Each log file may be handled daily, weekly, monthly, or when it grows too large." So you can't do that, but you can do it monthly then, seems closest to what you want. |
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| 20:44.10 | symptom | thewanderer1, dvs, ompaul back to my raid1 config. What filesystem would you recommend? is btrFS stable enough? |
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| 20:44.41 | dvs | nope |
| 20:44.42 | thewanderer1 | symptom: no |
| 20:44.55 | thewanderer1 | even ZFS on Linux is more stable than btrfs... |
| 20:44.58 | brong_ | symptom: there's one distro which ships with it now |
| 20:45.10 | brong_ | but yeah... I would go ext4 or xfs |
| 20:45.11 | thewanderer1 | plus it has more advantages :P |
| 20:45.19 | symptom | ok ext4 then. |
| 20:45.21 | thewanderer1 | ext4 is the right choice for stability on Linux these days |
| 20:45.36 | brong_ | xfs has supposedly got better in the last year or so |
| 20:45.41 | symptom | k thanks thewanderer1 brong_ |
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| 20:46.24 | ompaul | symptom: no |
| 20:46.48 | thewanderer1 | pats ompaul on the turtle shell |
| 20:46.59 | kevlarman | why does aptitude upgrade always want to remove all my :i386 packages for no apparent reason? |
| 20:47.00 | ompaul | symptom: ext4 appears to be sane for me for the last couple of years. |
| 20:47.10 | ompaul | grants thewanderer1 his hand |
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| 20:47.17 | tremon | kevlarman: aptitude has no support for multiarch |
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| 20:47.43 | brong_ | was there ever a time when aptitude was the best choice? |
| 20:47.55 | ompaul | tomorrow |
| 20:48.01 | kevlarman | brong_: the apt-cache/apt-get split is really irritating |
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| 20:48.09 | brong_ | yeah, it's stupid |
| 20:48.17 | kevlarman | and apt-get used to ignore recommends |
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| 20:48.24 | linduxed | how do i set the default keyboard layout of the system? both console and X |
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| 20:48.40 | symptom | thanks ompaul |
| 20:48.43 | brong_ | try using solaris or something some time |
| 20:48.51 | brong_ | we're spoiled ;) |
| 20:48.52 | fbh | Oh god no :( Not solaris |
| 20:48.56 | Guest17842 | fbh: i want it uncompressed for 1 week, compressed before that upto 1 month, beyond 1 month i don't need really |
| 20:49.13 | kevlarman | so i got into the habit of using aptitude for the sole purpose of having one command to use |
| 20:49.20 | Gerben | Hello. I've asked here for this issue before today. Had to go away for a while, exam tomorrow. My problem is that the mouse/keyboard is not working in X in a multistrapped system. I've tracked it down to udev. It is looking for /dev/input/event* devices. I can see them in my development machine (which is working fine), in the target machine they are missing however. |
| 20:49.31 | brong_ | fbh, the good thing about solaris is... you never need to learn anything new... |
| 20:49.39 | ompaul | slow lart us? |
| 20:49.44 | ompaul | isn't that offtopic |
| 20:49.49 | brong_ | yeah |
| 20:49.50 | brong_ | sorry |
| 20:49.53 | fbh | Guest17842: Then go with weekly rotation and "rotate 4" |
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| 20:53.17 | Guest17842 | fbh: ok, i am looking up online using those tips now |
| 20:53.44 | fbh | Guest17842: Where does the log come from? Syslog? or a standalone daemon? |
| 20:54.03 | Guest17842 | standalone deamon |
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| 20:54.32 | fbh | Guest17842: Okay, is it a daemon that runs always (meaning that is has a hook in the logfile inode) or is it a script? |
| 20:54.46 | Guest17842 | fbh: its basically dovecot |
| 20:55.05 | fbh | Guest17842: Ah, okay. Hmm, I thought dovecot used syslog facility? But you disabled that or? |
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| 20:55.48 | Guest17842 | fbh: yes, put a separate log |
| 20:56.15 | fbh | Guest17842: Yes, but did you configure syslog to put dovecot logs separately or did you configure dovecot to write directly to a logfile? |
| 20:56.21 | linduxed | how do i set the default keyboard layout of the system? both console and X |
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| 20:57.21 | fbh | linduxed: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. at least for console, but I don't know about X, sorry |
| 20:57.31 | Guest17842 | fbh: i did the second way, if i did the first way, would logrotate automatically work ? |
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| 20:59.08 | fbh | Guest17842: Not necessarily no, but the reason this is important is if you need to do a postrotate action or not. See, if a daemon is writing log to a file, it is "attached" to the inode of the file, so even if you rename the file it will continue logging to it. If you just rotate it without reloading dovecot, it will just continue writing in the same file (usually blabla.log.1) |
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| 21:01.01 | fbh | Guest17842: So in order to make sure, that dovecot starts logging into the newly created file you need to reload it, thus causing it to grab the inode of the new file instead. You need to lookup "postrotate" with logrotate :) |
| 21:02.34 | Gerben | Does anyone know where these /dev/input/event* devices should be created, so I can figure out what goes wrong? |
| 21:03.34 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I am using pulse, but I hear a high pitch when listening to music, how can I remove this? |
| 21:03.46 | Ephexeve | debian squeeze by the way |
| 21:03.52 | Guest17842 | fbh: can you review and correct / change this for the 1 week uncompressed, remaining compressed, nothing beyond 1 month ? it does use postrotate, but how do i put rotate 4 etc ? |
| 21:03.55 | Guest17842 | fbh: http://pastebin.com/na5RKxDp |
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| 21:05.01 | tremon | Gerben: where they should be created? what do you mean? |
| 21:05.21 | tremon | Gerben: they're from /sys/class/input |
| 21:05.25 | Gerben | tremon, which package, is it udev that should make them? |
| 21:05.45 | tremon | yes, basically all device nodes are created by udev |
| 21:06.02 | Gerben | mkay |
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| 21:06.06 | fbh | Guest17842: Well that one will work since you copied it right off the dovecot wiki ;) Although: http://pastebin.com/PB32T94S |
| 21:06.15 | Gerben | in /sys/class/input I have input0 and mice |
| 21:06.30 | fbh | Guest17842: Given that your pid file resides in the same location |
| 21:06.36 | tremon | Gerben: no events? |
| 21:06.55 | Gerben | no |
| 21:07.24 | Guest17842 | fbh: i am reading them |
| 21:07.26 | Gerben | they already should be called 'events' there, I thought that was the udev mapped name or something. |
| 21:07.28 | tremon | ok, maybe that's new. I'm running 3.2 on almost all my systems |
| 21:08.23 | fbh | Guest17842: I gotta go, got a movie waiting to be watched. Hope you figure it out :) cheers |
| 21:08.24 | Guest17842 | fbh: the way to test is to wait for the duration i guess |
| 21:08.28 | Gerben | This is udev from stock Debian squeeze I think, this is mostly an emdebian system |
| 21:08.31 | Guest17842 | fbh: one last question :) |
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| 21:08.48 | Guest17842 | fbh: does the name of the file in the logrotate.d have to be same as daemon i guess, otherwise it cna't figure i assume ? |
| 21:08.56 | fbh | Guest17842: logrorate -f /etc/logrotate.d/dovecot.conf or whatever you called it. "man logrotate" will answer all your questions, it is one of the more well written manpages. |
| 21:09.05 | Guest17842 | fbh: ok, thanks for the help with logrotate |
| 21:09.30 | fbh | Guest17842: Doesnt matter what you call the file, call it hotmomma.conf if you like, logrotate simply runs through all the files in logrotate.d |
| 21:09.31 | Guest17842 | fbh: happy movie watching :) |
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| 21:09.47 | Guest17842 | fbh: ok, i see |
| 21:09.59 | fbh | Guest17842: :) afk |
| 21:10.10 | tremon | Gerben: I think the kernel config is more important than udev version, but try head /sys/class/input/*/name |
| 21:10.19 | Ephexeve | ANnyone? |
| 21:10.59 | tremon | (again, I'm trying this on a 3.2 kernel, not sure what should or shouldn't exist on 2.6.32) |
| 21:11.19 | Gerben | tremon, returns only 1 line: AT Translated Set 2 Keyboard |
| 21:11.28 | Gerben | this is running on vmware ESX |
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| 21:13.08 | tremon | Gerben: usually, there is at least a Power Button input... modprobe button? |
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| 21:13.40 | Gerben | hehe, modprobe : command not found |
| 21:13.43 | Gerben | minimal system |
| 21:13.50 | tremon | hehe... |
| 21:13.53 | Gerben | I'll rebuild the image with at least the modprobe command |
| 21:14.10 | tremon | Gerben: what's the original issue? |
| 21:14.19 | Gerben | keyboard/mouse not working in X |
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| 21:15.57 | Gerben | hmm, maybe this is the issue already, with a bit of luck. I can imagine that some scripts will be using modprobe the insert kernel modules... |
| 21:16.03 | tremon | Gerben: allowemptyinput? |
| 21:16.18 | Gerben | what do you mean by that? |
| 21:16.22 | jhutchins | Ephexeve: Go through the mixer and mute each channel until you find out where it's coming from. |
| 21:16.53 | tremon | it's a recent X config option, I remember it was necessary in case autodetection of input devices failed |
| 21:17.14 | tremon | don't remember the details, was hoping you'd already tried that avenue :) |
| 21:17.29 | tremon | http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/16734.html |
| 21:18.02 | tremon | although that's dated, because it still speaks of hal |
| 21:18.14 | tremon | Gerben: it may not even apply to your case though |
| 21:18.50 | tremon | Gerben: http://who-t.blogspot.nl/2008/12/evdev-xorgconf-hal-and-other-fud.html may be more to the point |
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| 21:19.49 | echo083 | i'm starting X server manually where is the manual / documentation about /usr/bin/X options ? |
| 21:20.12 | tremon | echo083: I'm guessing you want man xinit |
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| 21:20.21 | stepkrav | hello. how may i check if my server suffers the leap second issue? It acts strange for sure but... |
| 21:20.21 | echo083 | tremon, yessssss !! |
| 21:20.30 | Gerben | tremon, return of the modprobe button command: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:20.42 | tremon | Gerben: depmod -a |
| 21:20.54 | echo083 | tremon, maybe not, i'm using already the dpi option which is not listed in the man xinit |
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| 21:21.21 | Gerben | tremon, the directory /lib/modules/(kernel version) doesn't exist |
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| 21:21.39 | Gerben | I didn't remove it, must be a multistrap cleanup action |
| 21:22.19 | tremon | Gerben: so no kernel modules are available... did you do a custom kernel compile and compiled everything in? Not uncommon in embedded... |
| 21:22.34 | Gerben | nope, stock kernel |
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| 21:22.59 | Gerben | I could copy the module dirs in from my build/devel machine |
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| 21:23.06 | echo083 | tremon, any other documentation in mind ? |
| 21:23.14 | echo083 | tremon, man X gives nothing |
| 21:23.18 | tremon | echo083: try the see also section. It's like wikipedia, but without hyperlinks ;) |
| 21:23.28 | echo083 | tremon, ok :'( |
| 21:23.31 | tremon | echo083: the option dpi should be in man xorg.conf |
| 21:23.52 | tremon | (but it isn't afaict) |
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| 21:24.09 | Gerben | tremon, I did intend to use a 3.x kernel eventually, haven't tested it, but if I may believe the "headlines" it should be more power efficient |
| 21:24.30 | echo083 | tremon, ok let's have another approach i'm using this command to start my X server "/usr/bin/X -dpi 96" i want to specify the resolution there too |
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| 21:26.32 | tremon | echo083: I'm not sure you can do that, but what's wrong with specifying resolution in xorg.conf(.d)? |
| 21:26.52 | echo083 | tremon it is ignored by gdm :( |
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| 21:27.54 | Searching | please help me this problem ? |
| 21:27.54 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177302/ |
| 21:28.00 | tremon | echo083: ah, then let's tackle that issue. Are you specifying a resolution that your monitor should support? Otherwise you need to set a modeline for your monitor too |
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| 21:28.04 | sney | gdm.conf has dpi options last I checked, and other places to pass options to the X server and/or the window manager |
| 21:28.31 | jparkton | So I know this is newb but in the middle of a dist upgrade on an Ubuntu server my ssh timed out, now that process is locked is there a way to have root take over that process and see where its at? |
| 21:28.40 | sney | jparkton, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 21:29.17 | echo083 | tremon, no it is a resolution supported by my monitor 1024x768 (i'm using debian squeeze for info) gdm start with 800x600 and after my desktop use the correct resolution i choose in the display settings manager |
| 21:29.41 | echo083 | tremon, gdm !! not gdm3 for ingo |
| 21:29.43 | echo083 | info |
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| 21:30.51 | Guest17842 | i have the following in my /etc/cron.hourly (with a line break in between of course) but i don't see the file #!/bin/bash date >> ~/cron.twentymin.test.txt |
| 21:30.54 | GreenET | Say, what is the name of the file holding options for urxvt? |
| 21:31.03 | tremon | echo083: have you set the "PreferredMode" option in xorg.conf? |
| 21:31.22 | echo083 | tremon, no but let's try :) |
| 21:31.45 | tremon | echo083: iirc, it needs to be in the monitor section, not screen |
| 21:32.09 | echo083 | tremon, ok i'll put it in the monitor section |
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| 21:33.40 | tremon | Guest17842: did you wait an hour? |
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| 21:33.55 | nsadmin | Guest17842, so first, I'm confused... what file don't you see? what is in your cron.hourly? |
| 21:35.25 | nsadmin | guess no one's there |
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| 21:37.42 | jparkton | if I want to host a repo on my domain what would I need to install to handle that? |
| 21:37.48 | jparkton | svn |
| 21:38.19 | Guest17842 | tremon: nsadmin : i waited for hour, i see in the syslog that it did the cron.hourly |
| 21:38.32 | nsadmin | ok |
| 21:38.57 | tremon | Guest17842: where are you looking for the file? in /root? |
| 21:39.11 | Guest17842 | nsadmin: i have a file called test in cron.hourly with folowing contents (with line break) #!/bin/bash date >> ~/cron.twentymin.test.txt |
| 21:39.15 | Guest17842 | tremon: yes |
| 21:39.43 | kevlarman | really annoying apt-spy doesn't let you skip the ftp mirrors :( |
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| 21:40.42 | nsadmin | Guest17842, ok, so you saw the cron job ran... did it put stuff in the text file? |
| 21:40.48 | echo083 | tremon, i close my session to test |
| 21:40.54 | tremon | Guest17842: I never use ~ for scripts by root, I always use absolute paths. Did syslog say the script was executed succesfully? Have you tried running the file manually? Also add set -x to the file (second line) |
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| 21:41.09 | nsadmin | (it doesn't run every 20 mins as the text file name suggests) |
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| 21:41.34 | nsadmin | also curious what's up, what reason are you doing this? |
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| 21:42.52 | Gerben | tremon, I copied the modules in from my dev machine, didn't help. I copied modprobe in, et voila, working. |
| 21:43.20 | tremon | Gerben: I'll bet copying only modprobe wouldn't have been enough ;) |
| 21:43.32 | Gerben | Now I just have to put it on a diet again. Image has become quite fat. |
| 21:43.40 | Guest17842 | nsadmin: yes |
| 21:43.43 | Guest17842 | tremon: what does -x do ? |
| 21:43.55 | tremon | Guest17842: local echo |
| 21:44.34 | nsadmin | it -did- put the date in the text file? so, good :) what else can we do for ya? |
| 21:45.45 | tremon | Guest17842: a less terse answer is "set -x enables command tracing. It prints every line evaluated by the shell before executing it" |
| 21:45.50 | Guest17842 | tremon: what is local echo ? |
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| 21:46.51 | LtL | Guest17842: the screen display you're looking at |
| 21:47.00 | nsadmin | I may have missed a lot of data, I have several questions... first, could you pastebin your cron.monthly? also, what is the name of that script, and where exactly is it? where's the text file located? You noticed this involves three files including cron.hourly? |
| 21:47.21 | Guest17842 | ok |
| 21:47.29 | nsadmin | Guest17842, if you pyt set -x in your script it will spew more stuff |
| 21:47.33 | Gerben | I think keeping the kernel modules in is wise anyway. This is meant to be a thin-client system that should boot on as many devices as possible. The squashfs image is now 110MB with xorg-video-all and xorg-input-all. |
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| 21:47.51 | Guest17842 | nsadmin: tremon would this be logged in the syslog too ? |
| 21:48.13 | tremon | Guest17842: depends on your config. Usually, cron command output is mailed to the user |
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| 21:48.54 | nsadmin | in a case like this, to root, which is forwarded to a user acct |
| 21:48.58 | Guest17842 | tremon: it is not mailing to root, i do'nt know how it is configured, it is logging in syslog. canyou tell how to turn on/off this ? |
| 21:49.33 | tremon | Guest17842: well if your command isn't producing any output, there will be nothing to mail anyway |
| 21:49.43 | Guest17842 | guys: is there way i can check for a file change and get an email ? |
| 21:49.44 | jparkton | how do I install a svn repo on my server? |
| 21:49.50 | jparkton | so I can use it in eclipse? |
| 21:49.56 | LtL | Guest17842: root's mail should default forward to the first user in the install process, or shown in /etc/aliases i think |
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| 21:50.34 | nsadmin | \Guest17842, we'd like to make sure the pieces are together first... well, actually I'm gonna go play music in about 10 mins, and if you could just pay attention more focusedly for about 5 mins I'd just like to make sure of a bunch of things really fast |
| 21:50.49 | nsadmin | then I probably gotta go after htat |
| 21:50.53 | LtL | Guest17842: cat /etc/aliases |
| 21:51.19 | tremon | Guest17842: MAILTO in /etc/crontab |
| 21:51.32 | tremon | looks at nsadmin expectantly |
| 21:51.37 | Guest17842 | tremon: ok, got it |
| 21:52.06 | Guest17842 | nsadmin: fine.. |
| 21:53.37 | Guest17842 | tremon: how do i make a job to check if a file changed (compared to previous version) and send a mail ? is it only via copying it, checking hour later to see if there's a diff. is there a way to check bsaed on timestamp alone ? |
| 21:54.06 | nsadmin | Guest17842, how many things in ls /etc/cron.hourly? |
| 21:54.08 | thewanderer1 | Guest17842: to notify on file changes, use incron |
| 21:54.18 | thewanderer1 | unless you need to batch it, that is |
| 21:54.22 | Guest17842 | looking up incron |
| 21:54.38 | Guest17842 | nsadmin: only 1 |
| 21:54.46 | nsadmin | caled placeholder |
| 21:54.47 | nsadmin | ? |
| 21:55.15 | nsadmin | or what's it called? |
| 21:55.22 | Guest17842 | actually i lost all the placeholders |
| 21:55.40 | nsadmin | oh you did? and there's still one thing there? what's it called? |
| 21:56.09 | Guest17842 | test |
| 21:56.16 | Guest17842 | how do i get the placeholders back ? |
| 21:56.22 | nsadmin | ok, so test is your script? |
| 21:57.46 | nsadmin | wc -l /etc/cron.hourly/test |
| 21:58.17 | Guest17842 | nsadmin: ys |
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| 21:59.16 | nsadmin | forget about the placeholder thing; my mistale |
| 21:59.20 | nsadmin | mistake |
| 21:59.40 | Guest17842 | ok |
| 21:59.47 | nsadmin | what do you get for wc -l /etc/cron.hourly/test |
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| 22:00.11 | Guest17842 | 4 /etc/cron.hourly/test |
| 22:00.17 | tremon | and do an ls -l while you're at it |
| 22:00.55 | nsadmin | show us head -2 /etc/cron.hourly/test |
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| 22:01.14 | Guest17842 | -rwxr-xr-- 1 root root 49 2012-06-30 18:26 /etc/cron.hourly/test |
| 22:01.33 | nsadmin | then show us tail -2 /etc/cron.hourly/test |
| 22:01.41 | Guest17842 | ok, seems to be working now ! |
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| 22:01.50 | Guest17842 | i don't know why i still get this error |
| 22:01.57 | nsadmin | all we did is look at stuff :) |
| 22:02.24 | nsadmin | anyway, it's working? good :) congratulations! |
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| 22:02.31 | Guest17842 | yep, thanks. Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed |
| 22:02.48 | Guest17842 | i still get this error when i start /etc/init.d/cron start |
| 22:02.49 | Guest17842 | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed |
| 22:03.09 | nsadmin | it should already be going |
| 22:03.16 | LtL | Guest17842: stop it then start, try that |
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| 22:03.51 | Guest17842 | LtL: cool it works |
| 22:04.05 | nsadmin | anyway, they're expecting a monster bass player, so I'm going, have fun, alot of it |
| 22:05.24 | Guest17842 | is there an easy way to direct screen output to text file (i have a text based UI that has its own interface etc. how do I issue commands to it like a human and redirect its output to a file) |
| 22:06.36 | LtL | Guest17842: command > file |
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| 22:07.01 | LtL | Guest17842: it can get more complicated |
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| 22:09.13 | peterrooney | Guest17842: there is also command | tee file, or command | tee --append file |
| 22:09.31 | Guest17842 | guys i am trying to use fs_cli of freeswitch console program |
| 22:09.34 | zecrazytux | LtL: i guess he talks about a ncurses or any other TUI library based tool |
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| 22:09.48 | peterrooney | is in love with tee, screen, and debootstrap today |
| 22:09.49 | Guest17842 | its like its own cli |
| 22:10.07 | Guest17842 | how do i put commands on it and redirect its output |
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| 22:12.52 | zecrazytux | Guest17842: if my assumption is correct, you can still pipe to the program and redirect its output, but output won't be plain text |
| 22:13.09 | Guest17842 | zecrazytux: what will it be if not plain text ? |
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| 22:16.52 | MarkG123 | Hi, can someone help out a numpty? I am trying to get this working: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/fookebox and im unsure what it's all about when it talks about wsgi and stuff like that. How can I find out what else I have to do after installing the package. |
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| 22:18.11 | gotmynick | MarkG123, I do not know such package, but you my try too look into /usr/share&doc/packagename |
| 22:18.30 | gotmynick | in special if there is a README.Debian, a README or a /examples/ dir |
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| 22:18.54 | gotmynick | s#&#/# |
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| 22:20.28 | zecrazytux | Guest17842: have a look to ttyrec and/or termrec |
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| 22:21.13 | MarkG123 | what on earth is wsgi? I have setup we stuff before, but this seems like some bearded bloke has made things overly complicated as a show of their skill |
| 22:21.57 | gotmynick | it's a python+webservres thing |
| 22:22.12 | Guest17842 | zecrazytux: looking, thanks |
| 22:23.40 | gotmynick | MarkG123, wsgi is supposed to make things easier (like the perl's psgi or the ruby's rack) |
| 22:23.40 | zecrazytux | MarkG123: it is a protocol to host python web applications the sane way |
| 22:23.55 | MarkG123 | this one uses pylons, but there is no information on what I need to do after installing the package |
| 22:24.15 | thewanderer1 | btw. I wonder why the Python guys didn't go for FastCGI... |
| 22:24.23 | MarkG123 | and I know nothing about python, ruby or any of that stuff. |
| 22:24.41 | zecrazytux | MarkG123: isn't there any apache default/example config file ? |
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| 22:26.16 | MarkG123 | yes, but apache doesn't run too well on the RaspberryPi, so I used nginx instead (which is apparently more suited to this stuff) |
| 22:27.25 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: afaik wsgi is higher level than fastcgi; you cannot compare them directly |
| 22:27.51 | zecrazytux | MarkG123: you will have to write your own config then |
| 22:28.22 | zecrazytux | translate the example apache config to nginx, see upstream documentation of fookebox and nginx |
| 22:28.53 | bst_ | MarkG123: Maybe help https://code.google.com/p/fookebox/wiki/ReadMe |
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| 22:31.40 | MarkG123 | off to find a PHP alternative, life's to short to deal with crap like that! |
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| 22:35.39 | zecrazytux | yeah, and also buy a ready made all-in-one mp3 box, life's too short to deal with a RaspberryPi |
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| 22:36.45 | MarkG123 | All the ones I have seen are naff and don't do what I want. |
| 22:36.57 | themill | it's a prototyping board... you're supposed to invest time in it to work out how to do with it what you want. |
| 22:37.41 | MarkG123 | even a couple of lines of documentation might have been good, rather than assuming everyone was a webdeveloper. |
| 22:38.38 | MarkG123 | As it is, I can remove 45MB of useless packages, by going back to PHP based app, so that seems much more lightweight anyway |
| 22:38.47 | zecrazytux | MarkG123: did you search and read documentation at all ? |
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| 22:39.25 | zecrazytux | 00:21 "hi" - 00:35 "life's to short to deal with crap like that!" |
| 22:39.56 | MarkG123 | Well I have been on it since 7PM, and got absolutely nowhere. |
| 22:41.22 | MarkG123 | Spent about an hour searching for documentation on the app, or precisely what wsgi was and how it worked in Debian when it was delivered as a deb package., and there was absoutely nothing. Coming here was a last resort, as you get spoken to like an idiot. |
| 22:41.42 | MarkG123 | and I wasn't wrong.... |
| 22:41.57 | themill | So https://code.google.com/p/fookebox/wiki/ReadMe wasn't useful? |
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| 22:42.43 | MarkG123 | Not one single bit. Lots of words, nothing useful at all, nothing about setup, configuration, only really what obviously named parameters do. |
| 22:43.37 | MarkG123 | The entire setup in one useless sentence "Use the provided apache.conf and fookebox.wsgi to load fookebox." |
| 22:43.43 | MarkG123 | ????????????????????????? |
| 22:43.53 | themill | so do that |
| 22:44.23 | zecrazytux | themill: nah, he wants nginx, but cannot take the time to document himself on the subject |
| 22:44.51 | themill | zecrazytux: I'm getting that. I'm also seeing that the rest of this rant can go to /dev/null rather than #debian. |
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| 22:45.36 | MarkG123 | whatever, it's working on PHP now. |
| 22:45.42 | MarkG123 | thanks for nothing. |
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| 22:49.47 | themill | contemplates that it looks like the fookebox package installs and configures itself straight out of the box |
| 22:49.48 | jhutchins | . |
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| 22:51.08 | zecrazytux | themill: and the .wsgi script is provided so that "porting" it to another webserver that supports wsgi should be very easy |
| 22:51.58 | zecrazytux | had never heard of this frontend, which seems to be great btw; I should have a try someday |
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| 23:07.07 | Searching | anyone can help |
| 23:07.11 | Searching | please |
| 23:07.31 | zecrazytux | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 23:08.23 | Searching | it comes to php 5 he will not install |
| 23:08.50 | abrotman | Searching: put the error in a pastebin, use paste.debian.net |
| 23:10.00 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177315/ |
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| 23:10.47 | Searching | just a few commands to fix the starting problem |
| 23:11.07 | Searching | I need it to run site |
| 23:11.39 | Searching | I worked some time ago but something I had to put things |
| 23:11.41 | thewanderer1 | Searching: which release of Debian? |
| 23:11.53 | Searching | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:11.54 | Searching | 6.0.5 |
| 23:11.55 | Searching | ;) |
| 23:12.18 | zecrazytux | Searching: what was the command exactly ? |
| 23:12.48 | abrotman | might want to check the version of php5 he's trying to install/remove |
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| 23:13.07 | Searching | Well if you knew you would not normally ask them I direct your samichak always with a little help from google but I need the morning because a lot of work waiting for me ... |
| 23:13.29 | Searching | I decided to ask you to fix it faster |
| 23:13.44 | thewanderer1 | Searching: what does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info" say? |
| 23:13.59 | Searching | Some time ago I did but then I was experimental and freelance became a drag way |
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| 23:15.20 | zecrazytux | hu? |
| 23:15.38 | Searching | I now take a look :) |
| 23:16.12 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177317/ |
| 23:16.55 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177318/ |
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| 23:18.29 | Searching | ??? |
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| 23:20.27 | thewanderer1 | Searching: what does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info" yield? you didn't provide this crucial piece of information |
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| 23:22.09 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177319/ |
| 23:22.10 | Searching | ;) |
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| 23:25.22 | Guest68655 | if i make a symbolic link for syslog to drive2 and mount drive2 after booting is it ok ? I have some services starting after mounting drive2 anyway, but not all |
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| 23:26.59 | Searching | slaps thewanderer1 |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | Searching: that's not likely to get you further help |
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| 23:29.16 | Searching | I just wanted some help, I decided that this is the place to ask but I guess I'll write on the forums |
| 23:31.26 | themill | Searching: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade" for us? |
| 23:32.36 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177320/ |
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| 23:37.42 | thewanderer1 | Searching: is your / full? check df -h... |
| 23:37.59 | Searching | haha |
| 23:38.00 | Guest68655 | if i make a symbolic link for syslog to drive2 and mount drive2 after booting is it ok ? I have some services starting after mounting drive2 anyway, but not all |
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| 23:38.20 | Searching | .. |
| 23:38.20 | Searching | /dev/sda5 28G 17G 9.9G 63% / |
| 23:38.22 | Searching | ;) |
| 23:39.01 | themill | Searching: can you "aptitude reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-cli" |
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| 23:39.45 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177321/ |
| 23:39.54 | dvs | unless he has a separate /var partition |
| 23:40.51 | thewanderer1 | oh, right, forgot that... |
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| 23:53.44 | freebird | you guys, I've inserted the line Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 23:53.44 | freebird | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.05 | freebird | but wont work, only for gdm3, worked fine, but when I log, I get 800x600 again |
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| 23:55.11 | bla | freebird, try setting with xrandr? |
| 23:55.25 | bla | freebird, xrandr --mode XxY + --output eventually |
| 23:57.08 | edju | Problems with optical drive. /dev/sr0 has: "brw-rw---T+" Is anything wrong there? |
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| 23:57.58 | dvs | edju: Where'd the "T" come from? |
| 23:58.07 | Searching | blq blq blq |
| 23:58.25 | edju | dvs, No idea. |
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| 23:58.43 | tintin | Hi |
| 23:59.02 | tintin | apt-cache show php5-xdebug |
| 23:59.08 | freebird | bla, man, let me ask you something, |
| 23:59.10 | tintin | That is old version, 2.1.0 |
| 23:59.28 | freebird | doesn't work |
| 23:59.39 | themill | dpkg: tell tintin about stable |
