| 00:00.20 | Searching | http://paste.debian.net/177325/ |
| 00:00.27 | freebird | in my system->preferences->screens I can't see the option 1024x 768, last time I just had to edit the xorg.conf, some way I can't remember, than the option 1024x768 showed up, and I were able to cvhange |
| 00:00.35 | freebird | bla, |
| 00:01.23 | tintin | themill: So what does that mean? |
| 00:01.37 | bla | freebird, If higher res is not visible, you *probably* have wrong drivers for your hardware. Try other, or try generic svga |
| 00:01.38 | tintin | themill: php5-xdebug will not be updated |
| 00:01.40 | tintin | ? |
| 00:01.43 | themill | tintin: You've been using debian for long enough to know this... |
| 00:02.00 | tintin | themill: So that means frustration? |
| 00:02.22 | tintin | themill: Why don't you update to latest version of php5-xdebug, what's wront with that? |
| 00:02.25 | freebird | bla, I guarantee you, If I'm able to have the option "1024x768" I'll be able to change, please, help me to get that |
| 00:02.38 | tintin | themill: updating only php5-xdebug won't break your system |
| 00:02.45 | freebird | I had it, and when I changed from xfce4 to gnome, it vanished, bla |
| 00:03.10 | tintin | themill: So debian will take php5-xdebug-2.1 forever? |
| 00:03.23 | themill | until wheezy releases, sure. |
| 00:03.23 | dvs | tintin: squeeze will |
| 00:03.24 | tintin | themill: until wheeze gets stable |
| 00:03.37 | tintin | dvs: What do you mean? |
| 00:03.38 | themill | tintin: do you know whether the newer php5-xdebug even works with squeeze's php? |
| 00:03.54 | tintin | themill: I don't know |
| 00:04.06 | themill | ... |
| 00:04.21 | tintin | themill: But updating php5-xdebug some minimum upper version should not break |
| 00:04.27 | themill | so you're complaining about the age of a package and you don't even know if newer versions of the software would work |
| 00:04.46 | tintin | Who maitains php5 and php5-xdebug ? |
| 00:05.04 | themill | a number of people |
| 00:05.41 | themill | and no, they are not going to update the versions in squeeze if you ask them |
| 00:05.45 | tintin | http://xdebug.org/download.php |
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| 00:08.16 | freebird | any body can help please ? |
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| 00:08.28 | Guest68655 | i am using debian lenny and in my sources.list have archives.debian when i tried to install a package it complains saying WARNING not trsuted |
| 00:08.35 | Guest68655 | any suggestions ? |
| 00:08.44 | pparadis | upgrade to squeeze. |
| 00:08.45 | themill | Guest68655: don't use lenny |
| 00:09.06 | Guest68655 | well, i am stuck with lenny for some more time befure i move to squeeze, so assuming that is a given, can you suggest ? |
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| 00:09.27 | pparadis | Guest68655: you're not even able to get security updates for lenny anymore. |
| 00:09.35 | pparadis | haven't been for a long time now, actually. |
| 00:09.46 | themill | Guest68655: you're going to have to ignore the trust warnings then -- the signature is expired because it is no longer supported. |
| 00:09.50 | pparadis | several known exploits are present in lenny at this point. |
| 00:10.13 | Guest68655 | themill: is it because signature is expired ? if I ignore and go ahead is there any changes packages have malware ? |
| 00:10.32 | themill | that's at least one of the problems you have, yes |
| 00:10.48 | pparadis | installing unverifiable packages from remote mirrors is indeed ill-advised. |
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| 00:12.06 | Guest68655 | ok |
| 00:12.14 | Guest68655 | i guess i have to speed up move to squeeze |
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| 00:23.42 | Alpha-Omega | quick question, what is the difference between testing and unstable vs. backports? |
| 00:23.55 | Alpha-Omega | is backports just for running newer versions of some software vs. all? |
| 00:24.29 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: backports is for running newer version on the stable release |
| 00:24.53 | Alpha-Omega | dvs: ohh ok, so would you specify which programs you want to run a newer version of? |
| 00:25.03 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: Yes |
| 00:25.09 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: you could, if available |
| 00:25.20 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: But not all packages are available in backports |
| 00:25.34 | Alpha-Omega | dvs: and which version of software does it use, would it be versions from testing or unstable? |
| 00:26.00 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: either |
| 00:26.17 | Alpha-Omega | hmm |
| 00:26.20 | nkuttler | always? aren't there backports not based on testing/sid? |
| 00:26.52 | Alpha-Omega | so basically backports is for people who want a new versions of software but want to run debian? |
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| 00:27.07 | Alpha-Omega | but then how is that different from just running testing or unstable? |
| 00:27.27 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: you basically run stable, only with a few backports |
| 00:27.36 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: Because everything in testing or unstable is very untested. |
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| 00:27.43 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: no libc and other 'fun' updates |
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| 00:27.57 | Alpha-Omega | nkuttler: so you would specify each of the software you want to run ports of? |
| 00:28.31 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: i rarely use backports on servers, so it's not a big issue for me |
| 00:28.43 | jagginess | Alpha-Omega, backports is for geeks |
| 00:28.48 | Alpha-Omega | dvs: ohh ... so basically backports is more throughly tested than unstable and testing |
| 00:28.49 | nkuttler | i think the only backport i ever used was nginx |
| 00:28.50 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:28.54 | jagginess | Alpha-Omega, but testing/unstable is for the smart super geeks |
| 00:29.13 | jagginess | asks dpkg what geek means |
| 00:29.14 | Alpha-Omega | lol |
| 00:29.30 | Alpha-Omega | i'm gonna be running it on a desktop |
| 00:29.35 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: don't listen to jagginess. sid/testing is for devs/testers |
| 00:29.45 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: No, it's more like stable is much more thoroughly tested. Backporting some packages is unlikely to destablize the entire system |
| 00:29.46 | Alpha-Omega | wondering if I should switch from arch to debian |
| 00:29.52 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: you don't want testing for a desktop unless you're familiar with debian |
| 00:30.03 | nkuttler | and even then.. |
| 00:30.19 | Alpha-Omega | hmm |
| 00:30.24 | robysath | My first time help to debian-www team: I've done checkout of webwml. I fixed a minor bug and created a patch file. I submitted this to debian-www@lists.debian.org mailing list. Was this the correct approach? |
| 00:30.43 | jagginess | don't hmm. testing or unstable isn't for you. You've been warned! |
| 00:30.54 | nkuttler | robysath: did you get a reply? i think the normal approach is a ticket, but for some packages mails may work |
| 00:31.01 | Alpha-Omega | arch is pretty much always stable and the packages are put into repos within like hours of release |
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| 00:31.23 | robysath | nkuttler: i did not get a reply. The patch is for an existing bug in debian's bug system. I put bug # in my e-mail subject and body |
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| 00:31.29 | nkuttler | Alpha-Omega: well, if "pretty much" works for you, sure, testing and sid |
| 00:31.47 | nkuttler | robysath: hm, but you can reply to bug on the bts directly |
| 00:31.56 | robysath | oh |
| 00:31.58 | robysath | :) |
| 00:31.59 | Alpha-Omega | alright, so backports, I'm guessing a backports version of the kernel is available? |
| 00:32.10 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: yes |
| 00:32.11 | nkuttler | robysath: check the bts bug page, there's a specific email address |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | you can look at packages.debian.org |
| 00:32.17 | sney | ,kernels |
| 00:32.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 00:32.47 | Alpha-Omega | abrotman: alright, thanks |
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| 00:32.52 | robysath | nkuttler: thanks |
| 00:33.23 | Alpha-Omega | the thing is I like running somewhat new versions of software, but I hate when I need to update everyday for very minor updates or when something breaks. |
| 00:33.48 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: And that's why Debian has stable |
| 00:33.48 | Alpha-Omega | would anyone mind telling me which version of firefox is in ports? |
| 00:34.15 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: Firefox (Iceweasel) 13.0.1 is available |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | Alpha-Omega: packages.debian.org |
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| 00:34.27 | sney | Alpha-Omega, we have a channel bot called 'judd' that provides that information - you can do /msg judd versions packagename and it'll show you all the available versions |
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| 00:34.39 | Alpha-Omega | dvs: I've found though that many newer software released like a year ago weren't in the repos when I used Debian, before I even got involved with backports and suck |
| 00:34.41 | Alpha-Omega | such* |
| 00:35.07 | Alpha-Omega | sney: alright, that's cool, i'll try that |
| 00:35.08 | jagginess | better be such and not suck |
| 00:35.21 | jagginess | quite a typo there |
| 00:36.43 | Alpha-Omega | dvs: actually looks like it's 10.0.5 for squeeze-backports |
| 00:37.07 | sney | 10.0.5 for squeeze-backports and higher on http://mozilla.debian.net/ , iirc |
| 00:37.14 | Alpha-Omega | experimental is 13.0.1, but not sure what experimental exactly is |
| 00:37.17 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: Firefox has a special repo of their own |
| 00:37.31 | Alpha-Omega | ohh, that's probably what it is |
| 00:37.35 | Alpha-Omega | ok |
| 00:37.49 | Alpha-Omega | cool, gonna probably give debian another try, thanks guys |
| 00:37.54 | dvs | np |
| 00:37.57 | sney | stable debian releases stick with the 'esr' versions of firefox/iceweasel so they don't have to keep upgrading every time mozilla craps out a new version, which goes against how stable works |
| 00:38.17 | sney | but the mdn repository offers another option for desktop users |
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| 00:38.22 | nkuttler | esr version? |
| 00:38.47 | sney | extended support release |
| 00:39.10 | sney | http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ |
| 00:39.14 | nkuttler | didn't know about that yet, thanks |
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| 00:45.13 | Alpha-Omega | looks like I have one more question, what's the difference between debports and backports? |
| 00:46.00 | Alpha-Omega | a package search for dolpin shows no backports but shows a debports underneath versions of unstable |
| 00:47.21 | dvs | never heard of debports |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | wtf is debports? |
| 00:47.36 | Alpha-Omega | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=dolphin |
| 00:47.48 | sney | it seems to be this http://www.debian-ports.org/ |
| 00:48.02 | abrotman | Alpha-Omega: ignore it, not for you |
| 00:48.37 | dvs | stops at the word "unofficial" |
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| 00:49.12 | Alpha-Omega | alright, seems like there's no backports for kde :P |
| 00:49.31 | sney | Alpha-Omega, see on that packages page where it lists words like alpha amd64 armel etc.. that's the package architecture. You are probably using amd64 or i386, so ignore anything that doesn't say that |
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| 00:49.52 | Alpha-Omega | amd64 - i5 64-bit yep |
| 00:50.00 | sney | #debian-kde has some instructions for using newer versions of kde on squeeze, I think. |
| 00:50.17 | sney | oh, I think that channel is only on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:50.27 | dvs | kde is one suite I'd want to stick to the stable version of |
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| 00:51.45 | Alpha-Omega | dvs: I've heard about all the bugs it has, but haven't really experienced anything yet ... but I know why you would recommend sticking to stable :) |
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| 00:52.38 | dvs | Alpha-Omega: In the past, packages such as libc6 and dpkg have broken in unstable and testing. Those are VERY difficult packages to fix. |
| 00:55.20 | Searching | Nor could you help me |
| 00:55.21 | Searching | .. |
| 00:58.20 | Alpha-Omega | gn everyone, thanks for the help |
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| 01:01.30 | cardamon | I can't move a directory that's set to drwxr-xr-x and owned by my user to another location with the same permissions. mv just says permission denied. |
| 01:01.48 | cardamon | It's the kind of operation that strikes me as very odd if I need to escalate permissions. |
| 01:02.53 | jparkton | does anyone use the eclipse ide? |
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| 01:03.05 | dvs | !tell jparkton about ask |
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| 01:03.37 | jparkton | is anyone familiar with how to link eclipse ide with launchpad account? |
| 01:03.58 | jagginess | jparkton, #ubuntu. launchpad is ubuntu. |
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| 01:04.13 | jagginess | !ubuntu |
| 01:04.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 01:05.01 | jparkton | I am aware |
| 01:05.22 | jparkton | however some DD are storing projects on launchpad and want me to work on it |
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| 01:05.48 | abrotman | jparkton: did you ask #launchpad ? |
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| 01:06.11 | jparkton | sadly yush |
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| 01:08.40 | n-iCe | I installed a new linux-headers packages and linux-image to change my kernel, but when I reboot in the kernel, dmesg says compat (owned by kernel) |
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| 01:08.43 | n-iCe | any idea? |
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| 01:19.37 | freebird | you guys, I've squeezy with gnome, I'm plugging my dvd usb into the computer, but wont mount |
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| 01:20.15 | freebird | mount -t iso 9660 /dev/ can't find /media/cdrom0 |
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| 01:20.41 | freebird | what is the right choise for the device option please |
| 01:20.56 | Searching | mount -t iso9660 -o loop /blq/blq/blq /media/cdrom0 |
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| 01:21.06 | Searching | ;) |
| 01:21.27 | Searching | dvd ? |
| 01:21.28 | freebird | Searching, what's this about |
| 01:21.36 | Searching | mmm |
| 01:21.41 | Searching | mount -a ? |
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| 01:22.24 | freebird | I just want to mount my usb dvd |
| 01:22.29 | freebird | Se |
| 01:22.31 | freebird | Searching, |
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| 01:22.43 | Searching | want to mount usb right? |
| 01:22.44 | Searching | ? |
| 01:22.46 | cardamon | I can't move a directory that's set to drwxr-xr-x and owned by my user to another location with the same permissions. mv just says permission denied. |
| 01:22.50 | lulzfish|homu | I'm trying to set up a static IP for my desktop, since it's running a web server. My laptop can see the server, but my desktop can't access any external sites |
| 01:23.00 | freebird | Searching, yep |
| 01:23.06 | Searching | lsusb? |
| 01:23.07 | freebird | squeezy |
| 01:23.19 | Searching | pastebin please |
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| 01:24.12 | cardamon | freebird: just mount /dev/<YOUR DEVICE> /media/usb |
| 01:24.31 | freebird | cardamon, cant find my device, that is the rpoblem |
| 01:24.37 | cardamon | Most likely it'll be sdb1, or some variant there of. |
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| 01:24.49 | freebird | why it's not listing in lsusb |
| 01:24.54 | Searching | mkdir /media/usb |
| 01:25.05 | Searching | mount /dev/sdb /media/usb |
| 01:25.10 | n-iCe | any idea why after installing bpo linux headers and image, and boot in that kernel all my wifi and bluetooth drivers are gone I can't connect to the internet this is what dmesg says http://pastebin.com/1SN5ExCp |
| 01:25.14 | Searching | sdb1 :) |
| 01:25.25 | freebird | is there any app that can make usb work better :: |
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| 01:25.44 | freebird | somedriver, I think I'm having probelms with this |
| 01:25.54 | Searching | mmm |
| 01:26.03 | Searching | productions ? |
| 01:26.04 | freebird | not listinn in lsusb |
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| 01:26.08 | freebird | very weird |
| 01:26.18 | freebird | you mean dev |
| 01:26.29 | freebird | I'll reboot |
| 01:26.31 | freebird | brb |
| 01:26.31 | dvs | freebird: update-usbids |
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| 01:28.32 | abrotman | that won't actually help him |
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| 01:46.18 | lulzfish_6 | Actually it seems it's only my DNS that's broken |
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| 01:50.40 | n-iCe | where do I see all the kernels image in backports' |
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| 02:00.13 | abrotman | n-iCe: packages.debian.org |
| 02:02.15 | n-iCe | I just see linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 02:02.20 | n-iCe | but seems to not be working with me |
| 02:02.25 | n-iCe | I want other version |
| 02:02.25 | n-iCe | :( |
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| 02:02.48 | abrotman | there is a 2.6.36 in squeeze? |
| 02:03.05 | abrotman | sorry 2.6.32 |
| 02:03.06 | Konata | After installing Debian 6 on this machine, I'm receiving an error when I try to boot my computer. "No boot disk was found or the disk has failed" |
| 02:03.15 | Konata | If I select the boot device manually using F12 for boot menu, it works fine |
| 02:03.23 | n-iCe | yes, but my builtin microphone does not work with that kernel |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | Konata: which device do you choose from the F12 menu ? |
| 02:04.19 | Konata | My HDD |
| 02:04.31 | Konata | I even set the boot order so the HDD tries to boot first |
| 02:04.34 | Konata | and I'm still getting the error |
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| 02:08.49 | Konata | abrotman: I had a great experience with debian recently on another of my machines, and now this is just.. A definite bummer |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | Konata: which device does it try to access? |
| 02:09.23 | Konata | Truthfully |
| 02:09.25 | Konata | \I don't even know |
| 02:09.31 | Konata | It's not specific at all |
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| 02:10.52 | abrotman | nothing lights up ? |
| 02:11.25 | Konata | i DIDN'T CHECK |
| 02:11.29 | Konata | er, sorry for the caps |
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| 02:11.46 | Konata | I type way too fast to realize that I have capslock on before I send the message to the channel |
| 02:11.53 | Konata | Anyways, I'll be right back. |
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| 02:23.07 | cardamon | Need some help trouble shooting mpd and software mixing. So far, it's not, depsite telling it to use alsa and dmix. |
| 02:23.32 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/177327/ |
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| 02:27.03 | cardamon | Also, is it possible to get back rw permissions to a directory you bound somewhere else? I bound ~/music to /var/lib/mpd/music so its user could see it, but now I can't do any operations on music without escalating to root. |
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| 02:29.56 | cardamon | Is it just me, or does Debian never put any defualt configs in /usr/share? |
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| 02:30.25 | abrotman | some packages do .. |
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| 02:30.55 | cardamon | Observational bias, but I can never find defaults or sample configs when I go looking. |
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| 02:31.22 | opakavic | guys i'm having i5 sandy bridge with 4gb ram , which debian version i can select ia64? |
| 02:31.47 | cardamon | s/\/usr\/share/\/usr\/shar\/doc/ |
| 02:31.48 | opakavic | i downloaded ia64 but its not at all booting |
| 02:32.10 | BtbN | amd64 |
| 02:32.15 | cardamon | opakavic: They still use amd64 |
| 02:32.17 | BtbN | ia is itanium |
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| 02:32.54 | opakavic | Okay thanks ! |
| 02:33.54 | cardamon | ...soo... |
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| 02:37.55 | abrotman | cardamon: make it group writable ? |
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| 02:38.34 | prefixed | how would I create an ssh key for a specific user? |
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| 02:41.57 | cardamon | abrotman: would that be chmod 774? |
| 02:42.31 | cardamon | well...does it matter if the directories are executable? |
| 02:42.36 | cardamon | I wouldn't think so. |
| 02:42.46 | cardamon | Seems a little weird that they are by default. |
| 02:44.10 | abrotman | cardamon: you'd have to change the group owner probably also |
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| 02:44.20 | abrotman | !tell cardamon about permissions |
| 02:47.03 | prefixed | I do not have an authorized_keys directory yet I can login to my server with an SSH key. where might my authorized keys be placed? |
| 02:47.24 | JoeHazzers | ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | authorized_keys is not a directory |
| 02:48.28 | prefixed | interesting |
| 02:48.38 | prefixed | so is it set on a per-user basis? |
| 02:48.50 | BtbN | it just a text file... |
| 02:49.28 | prefixed | yes, but should an authorized key for a specific user be in that user's .ssh directory? |
| 02:49.39 | BtbN | sure, where else? |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:49.44 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 02:49.44 | dpkg | somebody said ssh keys was http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 02:50.28 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:50.33 | prefixed | that makes sense |
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| 02:51.38 | jesselang | I'm having trouble finding definitive information about the leap second issue that caused certain processes to take all the CPU. I'm looking to ensure it doesn't happen again. Was there a fix for Squeeze before the leap second came? |
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| 02:52.41 | LtL | jesselang: yes as far as i know, it only affected earlier kernels |
| 02:53.04 | jesselang | LtL, earlier than what version? |
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| 02:53.21 | jesselang | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 02:53.26 | LtL | jesselang: something like 2.6.29 and earlier if i recall |
| 02:53.32 | GTRsdk | How do I get the python os.urandom? |
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| 02:54.18 | prefixed | hm. so how would one use their private kay to login to a server on a mac? |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | prefixed: did you read that URL ? |
| 02:56.07 | pparadis | prefixed: same as with any other unix-based operating system that uses SSH keys. |
| 02:56.17 | abrotman | i think someone really hasn't read the HOWTO |
| 02:56.25 | pparadis | nod |
| 02:56.29 | prefixed | pparadis so basically they will need to add the kay to their .ssh directory? |
| 02:56.34 | abrotman | spoonfeeding probably isn't the best method |
| 02:56.49 | prefixed | abrotman I appreciate the help |
| 02:56.50 | pparadis | prefixed: read the link. it's really important that you understand how this works before you try to use it. |
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| 02:57.22 | prefixed | I use ssh on windows / linux systems, and am just trying to set it up quickly for a friend on amac |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | did you try asking #macosx? |
| 02:57.52 | pparadis | it's not any different from most linux-based systems. |
| 02:57.55 | prefixed | ok |
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| 02:58.12 | prefixed | then into .ssh the key will go |
| 02:58.13 | prefixed | ! |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | prefixed: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 02:58.25 | prefixed | well |
| 02:58.29 | prefixed | the server is debian |
| 02:58.35 | prefixed | plus, you duys are hella smart |
| 02:58.38 | prefixed | *guys |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | so he's ssh'ing form the server to his OSX workstatoin ? |
| 02:59.05 | abrotman | the HOWTO is pretty dead simple .. you should really read it |
| 02:59.06 | prefixed | abrotman other way around |
| 02:59.11 | prefixed | yeah, I'm reading now |
| 02:59.26 | pparadis | please do, it's really important you understand how this stuff works. |
| 02:59.28 | prefixed | the config is as simplea s pie |
| 02:59.53 | prefixed | I understand how it works on linux / windows, but I wasn't clear on if there were any meaningful differences with macs |
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| 03:00.55 | Tomasu | I just updated my desktop/workstation a little while ago, and its decided to halt boot inside busybox claiming it cant find the tty. but typing exit<enter> gets past that. but then X crashes on start. |
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| 03:01.14 | Tomasu | and I can't update the fglrx driver to debian's latest since that stalls on the multiarch stuff not being complete? |
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| 03:02.34 | pparadis | Tomasu: fglrx is broken at this time. if you're running wheezy (as i suspect you are), you might get better help in #debian-next |
| 03:02.49 | Tomasu | I'm running sid actually. |
| 03:02.53 | pparadis | same deal. |
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| 03:03.04 | Tomasu | well I even just tried the stock drivers. it just crashes. |
| 03:03.09 | Tomasu | well not stck, but amd's |
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| 03:03.25 | Tomasu | but it not starting up properly at all is a bit of an issue. |
| 03:03.41 | Tomasu | I Could probably live with the radeon driver for now, if it would not get stuck on boot |
| 03:03.44 | pparadis | especially for sid, #debian-next is probably a better bet. i don't know who else is around to help right now, but i'm purely a stable guy, and i'm going to be of very limited value. |
| 03:04.06 | Tomasu | I need to be a channel operator to join? |
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| 03:04.34 | pparadis | that should not be necessary. |
| 03:04.40 | Tomasu | was immediately kicked. |
| 03:04.43 | pparadis | sec |
| 03:05.14 | pparadis | Tomasu: try #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 03:05.34 | pparadis | (irc.oftc.net that is) |
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| 03:05.55 | Tomasu | ah, well thats annoying |
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| 03:11.42 | s3a | Is wheezy frozen? I thought it would be frozen June 30 but www.debian.org and www.debian-news.net both don't say anything. |
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| 03:14.02 | wisconsin | why does nmap in wheezy depend on python? |
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| 03:15.10 | pparadis | wisconsin: ask fyodor --> http://insecure.org/fyodor/ |
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| 03:16.29 | s3a | this channel says it's frozen too so why don't I see anything on the website? |
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| 03:17.52 | wisconsin | the website is frozen |
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| 03:22.11 | wisconsin | seems the python depends is just for ndiff.. |
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| 03:25.26 | s3a | wisconsin, is that a joke or something? |
| 03:26.42 | wisconsin | s3a: did that really need a smiley? |
| 03:28.32 | pparadis | s3a: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/06/msg00006.html && http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00000.html |
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| 03:30.01 | n-iCe | hi |
| 03:30.18 | n-iCe | I have this kernel, linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 but has problems with my wifi, is there any other to install? |
| 03:30.42 | s3a | wisconsin, lol i suppose not |
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| 03:31.27 | wisconsin | n-iCe: now is a nice time to upgrade to wheezy |
| 03:31.43 | s3a | pparadis, thanks |
| 03:31.51 | s3a | but it'd still like it if www.debian.org said it |
| 03:32.42 | n-iCe | wisconsin: why |
| 03:32.55 | wisconsin | n-iCe: wheeze is frozen! |
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| 03:33.01 | wisconsin | wheezy* |
| 03:33.32 | wisconsin | squeeze -> wheezy is confusing :-} |
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| 03:34.25 | dvs | wisconsin: where's the announcement!?! |
| 03:34.44 | wisconsin | dvs: just mentioned in this channel |
| 03:34.50 | s3a | dvs, it's not on the home page and it should be! |
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| 03:38.04 | WormFood | is there a 3D compatible video player in debian? (for playing 3D movies in capable systems) |
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| 03:50.51 | Rusty1 | WormFood: aquick google brings up http://bino3d.org/ via http://packages.debian.org/sid/bino dunno |
| 03:51.43 | WormFood | yeah, I didn't try google for this one. |
| 03:52.14 | WormFood | it does not appear to be in stable (as your url shows it being in sid) |
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| 03:54.12 | WormFood | thanks for the urls Rusty1, looks interesting. Maybe I'll try to compile from source for stable, or something. |
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| 03:58.08 | Konata | Hey, abrotman was it? |
| 03:58.19 | Konata | I think that you were the one I was speaking to, earlier. |
| 03:59.07 | sney | there are a lot of good helpers here besides abrotman in case he can't follow up |
| 03:59.24 | Konata | Yeah, I'm well aware of that |
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| 03:59.37 | Konata | Just to say, I've had to give up on using Debian on that machine |
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| 04:00.33 | sney | what was wrong with it? hardware too new? |
| 04:00.59 | cardamon | Can anyone help me troubleshoot mpd and simultaneous audio? |
| 04:01.02 | Konata | I'm beginning to suspect that something screwed up during install |
| 04:01.14 | Konata | and then just screwed the entire experience up afterwards |
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| 04:01.24 | Konata | I had no keyboard during the install, amusingly |
| 04:01.33 | Konata | (Bluetooth) |
| 04:01.33 | cardamon | I set it to use alsa and dmix, but no dice so far. |
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| 04:02.20 | Konata | I did some research on the error that popped up whenever I tried to boot, it seems to be consistent with HDD failure |
| 04:02.39 | Konata | But *nix forums say that people who installed Ubuntu/Debian also get the same error sometimes |
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| 04:02.48 | Konata | Seems to be a rare one at best |
| 04:03.30 | Jayro | Hey, I am created chroot'ed environments for some shell users and am using makejail to make the chroot. Does anyone know where I would find a list of all base binaries? The things that should coem with a basic environment? |
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| 04:06.26 | wisconsin | Jayro: run debootstrap? |
| 04:07.07 | Jayro | wisconsin, what will it do? |
| 04:07.39 | wisconsin | bootstrap a basic debian system |
| 04:07.59 | Jayro | nifty |
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| 04:24.50 | JCDenton | Anyone else having problems with Java overloading? |
| 04:24.55 | JCDenton | Sun.. I think, let em double check |
| 04:25.06 | JCDenton | Yes, sun-java6 |
| 04:27.15 | JCDenton | Actually.. I have both sun-java and openjdk installed..? |
| 04:27.18 | JCDenton | How is that working |
| 04:27.50 | sney | !java alternatives |
| 04:27.50 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
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| 04:39.05 | JCDenton | Okay, well, Java in general is overloading. |
| 04:39.09 | JCDenton | Even with OpenJDK |
| 04:39.14 | JCDenton | Minecraft, Openfire |
| 04:39.20 | JCDenton | Anything Java causes massive server load spikes |
| 04:39.27 | JCDenton | It's using WAY more CPU than it should. |
| 04:39.38 | sney | I heard the same problem earlier today unless that was just you |
| 04:39.47 | JCDenton | No. |
| 04:39.52 | JCDenton | I wasn't here earlier. |
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| 04:40.52 | sney | have you rebooted lately? java apparently had a shit fit over the leap second thing. I'm not sure why that would apply to non-daemon java applications, but it could, java is pretty mysterious |
| 04:41.56 | JCDenton | I rebooted after updating the kernel not too long ago. This is also a production server.. so I'd rather avoid having to reboot unless I was sure it'd fix something |
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| 04:42.38 | iluminator105 | how do i see if there is anything on stdout? |
| 04:42.51 | JCDenton | look at stdout |
| 04:42.54 | wisconsin | JCDenton: i had CPU spike over leap second |
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| 04:43.08 | mah454 | Hello |
| 04:43.10 | wisconsin | lots of stuff was hit by it |
| 04:43.19 | JCDenton | wisconsin, Openfire is at least.. manageable, it's spiking my load to up to 3.00 |
| 04:43.26 | mah454 | default gnome-shell theme is adwaita , How can change it ? (default theme) |
| 04:43.34 | JCDenton | It's a simple XMPP server with about 4 users, it shouldn't be anywhere NEAR that, and never has until recently |
| 04:43.37 | JCDenton | But Minecraft? |
| 04:43.45 | mah454 | change default for new users ... |
| 04:43.46 | JCDenton | Seconds after laucnhing it, it spiked the load average to over 13 |
| 04:44.15 | sney | minecraft is not known for efficiency |
| 04:44.16 | iluminator105 | JCDenton, how says command not found |
| 04:44.32 | sney | also, quit playing minecraft on your server. |
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| 04:46.16 | JCDenton | It's not Minecraft that's the problem though. |
| 04:46.19 | JCDenton | It's anything Java |
| 04:46.42 | JCDenton | Running an strace on OpenFire murders stdout with this same line repeated, http://pastie.org/4185525 |
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| 04:47.59 | krisfremen | JCDenton: what's your uptime? |
| 04:48.14 | JCDenton | 21:48:05 up 4 days, 22:13, 4 users, load average: 2.52, 2.48, 2.74 |
| 04:48.23 | krisfremen | JCDenton: restart your machine |
| 04:48.39 | krisfremen | many people had problems with stuff related to java |
| 04:48.41 | krisfremen | or written in java |
| 04:48.41 | JCDenton | Is there some recent problem that warrants a restart..? |
| 04:48.45 | wisconsin | leap second |
| 04:48.46 | krisfremen | due to the leap second |
| 04:48.52 | JCDenton | Oh, fascinating |
| 04:49.18 | krisfremen | JCDenton: or just try restarting the service, that might work |
| 04:49.24 | krisfremen | but... restart would be the best |
| 04:49.31 | krisfremen | afaik, in some cases, that's the only thing that did it |
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| 04:51.38 | JCDenton | So, because time was shifted by 1 second, Java is freaking out, eh? Hah. |
| 04:51.59 | krisfremen | JCDenton: well, it was added in a way that java doesn't like it |
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| 04:55.36 | JCDenton | Also, in regards to installing backports.. I assume this isn't actually an upgrade, is it..? http://pastie.org/4185546 |
| 04:56.09 | JCDenton | Or is it just a patch of sorts applied to the same version? |
| 04:56.24 | nezZario | has anyone ever used e2compr ? |
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| 05:00.05 | gnarface | let me just say this: fuck java |
| 05:00.16 | JCDenton | hahah |
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| 05:00.30 | nezZario | +1 to gnarface |
| 05:00.42 | nezZario | so, .. e2compr isn't widley used ? |
| 05:00.56 | nezZario | just looking for some decent compression (or better yet, block level deduping+compression) for linux |
| 05:01.19 | nezZario | linux's zfs implementation is a hairy handful of monkey turds, no offense |
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| 05:01.35 | nezZario | linux has _read only_ HAMMERFS support but that isn't helpful for writing |
| 05:01.43 | nezZario | and I don't think there are any decent options viable after there |
| 05:03.15 | gnarface | hmm. i thought ext3 and ext4 had transparent compression support |
| 05:03.18 | gnarface | maybe i just dreamed that |
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| 05:03.41 | nezZario | maybe ext4, i'm reading to see now |
| 05:03.49 | nezZario | still uses ext2 for most stuff |
| 05:04.20 | gnarface | oh... yea nezZario according to wikipedia at least the ext2 e2compr stuff never made it into the mainline kernel |
| 05:04.31 | gnarface | your only other choices seem to be dos or resierfs4 |
| 05:04.58 | gnarface | personally if i were you i'd go with some bash scripts |
| 05:05.06 | gnarface | just automate zipping your shit up |
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| 05:05.50 | nezZario | doesn't work like that :( .. I'm using some crazy rsync stuff to keep daily incrementals |
| 05:06.41 | nezZario | so I need a perfect copy of a bunch of filesystems |
| 05:06.46 | nezZario | or rsync fails to work |
| 05:06.56 | gnarface | nezZario: hadoop can transparently compress maybe? |
| 05:08.09 | nezZario | i mean, if the filesystem can 'hide' stuff like deduping and compression .. then that's the only way it'll work .. I'm doing a lot of deduping with hard links, but it only works when the file's checksum, mtime, atime, and permissions are /exact/ .. so i'm missing 50GB+ of savings (just from dedupe) |
| 05:08.29 | nezZario | well to be 100% honest not sure about atime |
| 05:08.39 | nezZario | but for sure hash+mtime+permissions |
| 05:09.58 | nezZario | btrfs and reiser are OK but I just don't see them as very stable/usable for mildly critical services |
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| 05:10.34 | nezZario | is reiser4fs the one where they finally rewrote the crazy wife murdering guy's code? |
| 05:10.52 | krisfremen | nezZario: yes |
| 05:10.59 | cardamon | nezZario: Inflammatory...and yes. |
| 05:11.03 | loop- | you ever been married nezZario |
| 05:11.14 | nezZario | loop-, my wife is about 10 ft behind me.. |
| 05:11.21 | nezZario | married 3 yrs with 3 kids .. figure it up |
| 05:11.26 | loop- | is she fat |
| 05:11.34 | krisfremen | nezZario: make sure she doesn't murder and write a filesystem in your "deathly honor" |
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| 05:12.17 | nezZario | why is that inflammatory? |
| 05:12.21 | cardamon | Anyone familiar with asound.conf? I don't see one in my /usr/share/docs, and I know alsaconf hasn't been in debian since before squeeze. |
| 05:12.24 | nezZario | the guy was convicted of murder |
| 05:12.58 | cardamon | Yes, but that unrelated to the quality of the project. |
| 05:13.35 | nezZario | i never said it was a bad filesystem.....but in many ways I think it is tainted forever |
| 05:14.36 | nezZario | i think if linus went to prison for child molestation in an alternate universe 5 years ago, linux wouldn't be as to-par as it is today .. |
| 05:15.17 | loop- | how old are you nezZario |
| 05:15.55 | nevyn | did they rewrite it? |
| 05:16.07 | nezZario | resierfs4 doesn't do datadeuping either |
| 05:16.09 | gnarface | nezZario: reiserfs3.6 is the best one. |
| 05:16.18 | gnarface | nezZario: killer fs |
| 05:16.29 | nezZario | hahaha, touché |
| 05:17.20 | gnarface | nezZario: some time for fun take 2 tb drives, compare partition resizing between ext3 current and reiserfs3.6 |
| 05:17.48 | nezZario | i rarely use ext3 |
| 05:17.54 | krisfremen | ext4 ftw |
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| 05:17.56 | gnarface | compare it to ext4 |
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| 05:18.03 | loop- | ext2 for life |
| 05:18.38 | nezZario | ext4 just isn't supported cross-platform enough where I need it.. ext3 is just journaling.. so probably 90% of paritions across servers I've setup are ext2 |
| 05:19.11 | loop- | i dont trust any of you and i never will so ext2 for life |
| 05:20.02 | nevyn | hrm go watch the LCA2012 videos on btrfs and xfs |
| 05:20.14 | nevyn | they're interesting food for thought if nothing else. |
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| 05:20.50 | nezZario | i guess i can just switch to flippin opensolaris if I got desparate enough |
| 05:21.00 | nezZario | although like THAT project is going to be around much longer (or, updated, anyway) |
| 05:21.47 | nezZario | btrfs at least has transparent compression... i might give it a whirl |
| 05:22.14 | nevyn | so btrfs for flexibility and snapshotting and stuff |
| 05:22.22 | nevyn | xfs for performance |
| 05:22.46 | nezZario | i don't need particularly excellent performance |
| 05:23.07 | nezZario | it's a very large backup server... i'm storing uh |
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| 05:23.39 | nezZario | 12 full-server backups right now |
| 05:23.55 | nevyn | so for a backup server btrfs would be pimp imho |
| 05:24.43 | nezZario | incremental daily rsync's .. so you're talking 12 full filesystems (100% of data, except where explicitly excluded) x each day (some currently have 15 or 16 someodd days.. but the filesystem is as of today 96% full) |
| 05:24.44 | nevyn | if you do it right. (tar no gz and push the compression to the filesystem you should get lots of backups with small disk usage. |
| 05:25.22 | nevyn | nezZario: so you could do things like.. snapshot the filesystem then rsync so you have today and yesterday with only the differential blocks used (in btrfs) |
| 05:25.50 | nezZario | well it does limited deduping with rsync's --link-dest |
| 05:26.08 | nezZario | and, snapshots are optional but yes some are snapshots where available |
| 05:26.30 | nezZario | i'm backing up 2 netbsd & 1 openbsd server + 1 centos + rest are debian I think |
| 05:26.58 | nezZario | the openbsd one doesn't even come close to anything snapshot |
| 05:27.27 | nevyn | nezZario: no no.. I'm saying use snapshots on the backup server. |
| 05:27.27 | nezZario | but, .. back to the point .. --link-dest does deduping BUT .. the filenames have to be exact (/path/to/filename) + mtime + permissions |
| 05:27.50 | nezZario | yeah i know. some of the backed-up servers don't have snapshot sthough, so rsync is ran directly on the live fs |
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| 05:28.04 | nezZario | for db's i just get a mysqldump stream or whatever |
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| 05:28.22 | nevyn | nezZario: but it doesn't matter for what I'm saying |
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| 05:28.44 | nezZario | i then wrote a script to come back through and dedupe where hashs are the same + mtime + permissions which doesn't help much, (something like 1.5% space savings) |
| 05:28.46 | nevyn | because you just end up using the disk in the backup server more efficiently to have more versions of the data |
| 05:29.15 | nezZario | I do! |
| 05:29.43 | nezZario | I have 15 days of incrementals for some of the first ones I put on here |
| 05:30.19 | nevyn | incrementals bad. |
| 05:30.32 | nevyn | what I'm saying is so much better than incrementals |
| 05:30.33 | nezZario | e.g. ...... I have a directory e.x. b.2012.06.25.1.0204AM.1340589891/ (exuse my insanity) .. |
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| 05:30.56 | nezZario | if you look at 6/26 .. it hardlinks _all_ files from 6/25 except where they change |
| 05:31.06 | nezZario | so yes, it's not as great as zfs-style/blocklevel deduping but it's all I have now |
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| 05:31.42 | nezZario | because even if 1 bit changes, I need a whole new copy of the file stored on disk (at least rsync makes it so I don't need a whole new copy transferred over the network) |
| 05:32.29 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... is kde-cd-1 is a good choice for installing kde with debian ... or just download the netinst and install kde later ? |
| 05:32.36 | nezZario | or something as simple as permissions or mtime (if mtime changes, i need a whole new copy, even if they are exact) |
| 05:33.09 | nevyn | mmm... |
| 05:33.09 | nezZario | cobra-the-joker i would install kde later but that's just my style |
| 05:33.13 | nezZario | i don't think it would matter |
| 05:33.29 | nevyn | nezZario: did you look at you know.. software to manage this for you? |
| 05:33.34 | nevyn | like backuppc? |
| 05:33.37 | cobra-the-joker | that what i was going for ... but i fealt the need for advice :) |
| 05:33.38 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 05:33.42 | cobra-the-joker | Thanx nezZario |
| 05:33.46 | nezZario | nevyn isn't going to be any better than anything I have now |
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| 05:33.51 | nezZario | rsync is extremely powerful |
| 05:34.00 | nezZario | I have rsync + some custom scripts to do further dataduping |
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| 05:35.40 | nezZario | de*duping .. I have a script that does deduping where path's do not match but mtime+permissons+hash do (which, as I mentioned earlier, saves like 1.5%) .. but if I run some queries, I can easily see that I would get some 100GB of savings from just hardlinking files that mtime+permission do not match (e.g. exact same files) .. that's not even counting block level deduping that should be better |
| 05:35.41 | nezZario | in theory .. or transparent compression which would give me even more savings |
| 05:36.12 | nezZario | just to be clear, I can't hardlink files that don't match mtime+perm or sync's algorithm stops working |
| 05:36.21 | nezZario | the --link-dest switch anyway |
| 05:36.33 | nevyn | nezZario: only in that it solves exactly your problem and it's maintained by someone else. and it has pretty ui for people who arn't you to check backups/maintain it |
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| 05:36.55 | ak5 | hi I need to know what package provides erlangs make function? I am using squeeze |
| 05:37.00 | nezZario | i don't need ui's being I'm selling it as a managed service ;) |
| 05:37.07 | sney | !apt-file |
| 05:37.07 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 05:37.13 | nevyn | nezZario: shrug. |
| 05:37.22 | nezZario | but, yes.. if you're wondering why i'm so darned interested in transparent compression and block level deduping |
| 05:37.34 | nezZario | i wish there was ONE zfs implementation that was actually worth a crap except solaris's |
| 05:37.54 | nezZario | netbsd and freebsd also have implementations but freebsd's isn't much better than linux's and netbsd's is worse afaik |
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| 05:38.39 | nevyn | so btrfs is what you're looking for. |
| 05:38.44 | nevyn | like really. |
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| 05:41.47 | JCDenton | Restarting fixed everything, it seems, by the way. |
| 05:41.48 | JCDenton | Thanks. |
| 05:42.05 | JCDenton | Openfire is back to using ~0% CPU |
| 05:43.08 | sney | np. |
| 05:43.15 | sney | hopefully jdk 7 wasn't quite as silly about this. |
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| 05:44.23 | nezZario | btrfs has "planned" support for deduping |
| 05:44.49 | nezZario | i guess compression will do better than nothing |
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| 06:23.20 | zecrazytux | nezZario: what's the problem with freebsd's ZFS ? a support for netbsd had been announced two times, but none of the two efforts were stopped |
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| 06:41.04 | cardamon | Having trouble getting dmix working so I can have mpd and something else in alsa running at the same time. http://paste.debian.net/177342/ for my mpd.conf http://paste.debian.net/177343/ |
| 06:41.10 | cardamon | for my asound.conf |
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| 06:49.44 | shtrb | anyone using non SSL vpn from UK here ? have you had any problems with the MITM gateways ? |
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| 06:50.40 | shtrb | s/have you had/how you go around |
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| 06:52.27 | Jubei | guys I can connect to a box but cannot pint any other machine from within that box. How can I troubleshoot it? iptables policy for OUTPUT is ACCEPT |
| 06:53.27 | shtrb | did you try nping ? |
| 06:53.48 | sney | Jubei: does 'ip route' show a DEFAULT entry? |
| 06:53.57 | Jubei | sney it does |
| 06:54.07 | Jubei | but I cannot even ping that router |
| 06:54.11 | shtrb | Jubei, some routers now block ICMP check other type of messages |
| 06:54.47 | Jubei | shtrb i don't know what nping is |
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| 06:54.57 | Jubei | shtrb the router can be pinged from other machines on the subnet |
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| 06:56.12 | shtrb | Jubei, a ok if it can be pinged it is not the pushed upgrade issue, nping is atool that would allow you to connect via spesific ports but if the router is accebale from other machines that test is useless |
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| 06:58.17 | shtrb | Jubei , does all outgoing connection drop or only a few ? |
| 06:58.20 | zecrazytux | Jubei: could be that the same ip is assigned to two machines |
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| 06:59.27 | ticapix | Hi, is there any temporary solution for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676918 ? |
| 06:59.37 | Jubei | shtrb everything |
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| 07:00.02 | zecrazytux | shtrb: single interface ? |
| 07:00.05 | Jubei | zecrazytux but the machine accepts connections fine, I'm currently ssh'd to it |
| 07:00.26 | zecrazytux | Jubei: it happened to me, double ip assignment can lead to weird issues |
| 07:00.32 | Jubei | zecrazytux hmmm |
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| 07:04.22 | shtrb | Jubei, as zecrazytux said double ip or if you have virtual ip demaon can bring havoc. next make sure it ain't netfilter fault |
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| 07:06.32 | shtrb | Jubei, try stoping iptables and see if you have outgoing connections |
| 07:06.48 | shtrb | but do that only on a system that can be accessed localy |
| 07:07.46 | shtrb | Jubei, becouse if you next stop the network interface it will not be funny (happened to me once) |
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| 07:17.19 | bwana147 | Hello people. Something weird is happening here: many of my machines (VMs) are having a high load (28 or so, for two CPUs). top says they spend something like 60% in sy, 40% in us, nothing in id. I don't know what to look for to find the cause of the problem. |
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| 07:18.26 | nevyn | bwana147: is it this: http://xrl.us/bnde4w |
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| 07:19.51 | Jubei | shtrb, it was an iptables problem after all. Thanks. |
| 07:19.53 | bwana147 | interesting |
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| 07:21.00 | shtrb | Jubei, also make sure you don't have issues with other netfilter apps |
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| 07:30.25 | metaspike | hey, i cant find where to stop eth0 from issuing dhcp requests on boot. anyone? :) |
| 07:31.45 | brong_ | metaspike: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 07:31.48 | brong_ | network-manager |
| 07:32.00 | brong_ | or maybe even earlier, you may need to turn off netboot in your bios |
| 07:32.13 | metaspike | hmmm |
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| 07:35.02 | metaspike | two lines: allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 07:35.19 | metaspike | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 07:35.59 | metaspike | i have a script loading up dhclient, wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd, so ill just comment it out and hopefully that'll do it! |
| 07:36.11 | metaspike | comment out those lines* |
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| 07:37.54 | UltraMC | Morning. I was executing: "40 21 * * * /usr/bin/python/python /usr/bin/overviewer.py --config=/home/ultra/minecraft/plugins/Overviewer/config &> /root/rendering.log" And the log says: "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/python/python: Not a directory". If I want to find it, I have following' which one I should use? http://pastebin.com/zz1VVFjT |
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| 07:43.12 | sylecn | UltraMC: program name should be /usr/bin/python instead of /usr/bin/python/python. |
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| 07:43.33 | UltraMC | sylecn, probably, testing right now |
| 07:43.41 | UltraMC | such a silly mistake :) |
| 07:44.24 | boudiccas | UltraMC: should have been tested from the commandline before you started a cron job for it |
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| 07:44.56 | UltraMC | Cron job can be executed as follows in terminal? "/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/overviewer.py --config=/home/ultra/minecraft/plugins/Overviewer/config &> /root/rendering.log |
| 07:44.57 | UltraMC | " |
| 07:45.12 | boudiccas | try it and see |
| 07:45.17 | UltraMC | Lol I cant |
| 07:45.21 | UltraMC | Its heavy thing |
| 07:45.27 | UltraMC | It should be done overnight mate |
| 07:45.31 | UltraMC | I just ask |
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| 07:46.10 | boudiccas | UltraMC: 1 - i'm not your mate, and 2 - it can be doen in testing from the commandline |
| 07:46.22 | UltraMC | *done you wanted to type |
| 07:46.23 | boudiccas | done |
| 07:46.29 | UltraMC | **command line you wanted to type |
| 07:46.40 | UltraMC | ***I'm you wanted to type |
| 07:46.50 | UltraMC | ****there is no "," between mate and "and" |
| 07:47.04 | UltraMC | *****I'm not native english and still typing better than some. Peace |
| 07:47.28 | metaspike | thanks for the heads up brong_ |
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| 07:47.53 | UltraMC | cheers! |
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| 07:48.06 | brong_ | boudiccas: everyone's your mate if you're Aussie |
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| 08:09.31 | kockah | Hi |
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| 08:11.40 | kockah | I would like to ask for help is, unfortunately, I do not speak English well so I am writing to you through a translator. I use Debian, and the problem that the df command, then / section is low. I have one more winchesterrel which is called sdb1, I would like to add this to my system. |
| 08:12.43 | excalibr | winchesterral? |
| 08:12.58 | kockah | hdd |
| 08:12.59 | kockah | :D |
| 08:13.46 | excalibr | what do you want do? mount the hdd? |
| 08:14.07 | cardamon | kockah: What language do you speak? |
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| 08:14.22 | kockah | hungary :D |
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| 08:15.08 | kockah | excalibr: Yes, if you can include the / |
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| 08:18.39 | MoneY | Hello. Im tring to use MS Outlook with my Debian System. I like to use Autodiscover Config für IMAP/POP/SMTP Configuration like on MS Exchange. I was googling but cant find any helpful. Someone has an idea/link wherei can read "How to setup Autodiscover on Debian". Apache2, Dovecot runs perfect. Online need to setup a Autodiscover for Outlook. |
| 08:19.20 | genoskill | are the oga container and the ogg container exactly the same? |
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| 10:06.52 | cardamon | if update-rc.d tells me "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" when I try to remove something, and nothing else, does that mean it wasn't removed? |
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| 10:07.56 | fishsponge | anyone else here use google chrome? When I got in this morning it was using all 8 cores of my CPU. I then upgraded it from version 19 to 20, and it is still using all 8 cores at 100%. It's not Flash and it's not one particular tab - all tabs are fighting for CPU usage! |
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| 10:08.16 | fishsponge | and an strace of one of the Google processes returns this: futex(0x7fffae1acc84, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 2865, {1341223554, 562380000}, ffffffff) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) |
| 10:08.16 | fishsponge | futex(0x7fffae1acc58, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 1) = 0 |
| 10:08.30 | fishsponge | anyone got any idea what is wrong?!? |
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| 10:13.43 | cardamon | fishsponge: Not really a debian issue. |
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| 10:15.14 | wysiwtf | hi |
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| 10:16.22 | wysiwtf | sorry for (probably) noob question but after the latest apt-get upgrade my php is complaining about missing pam_auth.so |
| 10:16.29 | wysiwtf | cant find the pakage to install |
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| 10:16.50 | fishsponge | cardamon, fair enough. just wondered if any fellow debian users were suffering the same issue and knew the solution... |
| 10:16.54 | wysiwtf | PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20100525/pam_auth.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20100525/pam_auth.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 10:22.14 | wysiwtf | damn |
| 10:22.33 | wysiwtf | i found the pakage but the server still gives me a 500 |
| 10:22.58 | wysiwtf | SoftException in Application |
| 10:23.00 | wysiwtf | wtf... |
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| 10:28.33 | colun | Hello, after the rebuild of pure-ftpd-mysql, I have this error : Depends: libmysqlclient18 (>= 5.5.25-1) but 5.5.25-1~dotdeb.0 is to be installed |
| 10:28.50 | colun | Can I execute to resolve this bug ? |
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| 10:37.13 | rzs19 | i'm using firefox and chrome in a xdmcp session, everything is fast except chrome and firefox. |
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| 10:37.48 | rzs19 | chrome is generally damn slow, firefox just sometimes, does anyone know why? |
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| 10:38.11 | rzs19 | watchign videos in vlc is fast, without lags |
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| 10:45.20 | jubei | guys, in /etc/network/interfaces there's an option dns-nameserver and I was under the impression that this option will overwite resolv.conf but it doesn't (i just restarted) |
| 10:45.36 | VanDerSp1r | Greetings guys. Is there a way to deactive the support for IPv6? I don't want any tcp6 ports listening |
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| 10:48.10 | jubei | oh nvm about my problem turns out that will only happen if I have resolvconf installed. |
| 10:48.47 | fredl | hello, I'm trying to use firebug on iceape/squeeze |
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| 10:49.48 | fredl | I guess it's been a while that I used firebug but... I installed xul-ext-firebug yet I don't see any evidence of firebug in iceape. |
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| 10:50.41 | fredl | after I apt-get install xul-ext-firebug and restart iceape, should I not see somewhere that there's a new plugin activated or something? |
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| 10:53.33 | fasta | I do /etc/init.d/postgresql start, and it just fails with The PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output. |
| 10:53.45 | fasta | The problem being that ... there is no log output. |
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| 10:54.24 | fasta | Why can't it say like all decent systems 'check the file located at absolute path /foo/bar'? |
| 10:54.50 | fasta | Or if no log file can be written 'your log file configuration is broken', instead we put it in /tmp/foobar. |
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| 10:55.09 | fasta | Or 'everything else failed, writing to stdout or stderr now'. |
| 10:55.17 | fasta | This isn't rocket science. Is it? |
| 10:55.19 | deb_daemon | hello. Do you know how cab |
| 10:55.38 | deb_daemon | *can I install nvidia drivers for gfoce 2 mx 400? |
| 10:56.06 | deb_daemon | in wheezy I mean |
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| 10:57.38 | xfire78xx | giorno :) |
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| 10:59.22 | fredl | hmm, I guess none of the currently 1200 or so present people use firebug on iceape? :) |
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| 11:03.13 | gerben | Hello, I was here last evening for a question about keyboard/mouse not working. After I added /lib/modules/(kernelversion) to the image, the mouse started working. |
| 11:03.23 | gerben | I'm only missing the keyboard now |
| 11:04.16 | gerben | This udev stuff is quite complicated. I see it recognizes a keyboard in the Xorg.0.log , but something is still not working, just can' t figure out what it is. |
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| 11:06.42 | thewanderer1 | guys, trying to change MySQL password for a user using mysqladmin -u user -h db.server password "newpass"; the error message is: 'Access denied; you need the SUPER privilege for this operation' |
| 11:06.46 | thewanderer1 | this is on Squeeze |
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| 11:07.31 | gerben | thewanderer1, I usually su to the user the daemon runs as. |
| 11:07.42 | gerben | I have little experience with mysql, I always use postgres... |
| 11:08.00 | thewanderer1 | the daemon runs on another host, so it shouldn't really matter |
| 11:08.19 | fredl | thewanderer1, #mysql ? |
| 11:08.26 | thewanderer1 | fredl: I suppose... |
| 11:08.36 | fasta | How can I start PostgreSQL in such a way that I can see why it fails to start? |
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| 11:09.41 | fredl | it's most likely however that this user simply does not have remote access. |
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| 11:12.13 | gerben | I don't have xserver-xorg-input-kbd installed I found out |
| 11:12.24 | gerben | that smells like the issue... |
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| 11:24.38 | gerben | keyboard is still not working |
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| 11:29.30 | icecdocorp | t |
| 11:29.40 | icecdocorp | greetings |
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| 11:37.04 | dawud | fasta: is there anything useful in /var/log/postgresql/ ? |
| 11:37.21 | fasta | dawud: no, but the problem has been resolved already. |
| 11:37.30 | fasta | dawud: or at least my specific problem. |
| 11:37.44 | fasta | dawud: the real problem is that error reporting is sub-optimal. |
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| 11:38.11 | fasta | I think every program should either work or should provide a proof as to why it will not do some task. |
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| 11:39.40 | gerben | fasta.... Have you done an upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze? |
| 11:40.10 | gerben | I'm recalling that there were some upgrade issues with postgres in that one. Some deprecated settings that you had to remove in postgresql.conf |
| 11:40.33 | fasta | gerben: that had nothing to do with it. |
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| 11:42.13 | valerie_ | I have a laptop with windows 7 and debian wheezy installed. I can not make linux work, the screen shows booting until /dev fully populated and then turns black. My questions is would installing debian squeeze or other distribution instead of wheezy makes a difference? |
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| 11:44.23 | echo083 | how to enable my micro on debian squeeze ? |
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| 11:48.47 | nkuttler | valerie_: sounds like an xorg problem. try booting into single user mode |
| 11:49.07 | adac | for some reasons "/etc/crontab" seems not to get executed. I did also a simple date test output, but that also does not get executed. Any ideas. Here is my crontab: https://gist.github.com/3032868 |
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| 11:49.56 | valerie_ | nkuttler, can you tell me how to boot into single user mode |
| 11:50.24 | nkuttler | valerie_: there should be a grub entry |
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| 11:56.05 | valerie_ | nkuttler, I am at grub entry |
| 11:56.26 | Sevet | valerie_: can you get to the login prompt at Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
| 11:56.53 | Sevet | (when the screen goes blank), if so login and check xorg.log |
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| 11:57.48 | valerie_ | Sevet, not if I try it from GNU GRUB window |
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| 12:03.41 | balboah | MegaCLI has to be the most user unfriendly application ever |
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| 12:06.08 | ksuhku | balboah, I see you haven't tried vi |
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| 12:06.45 | maxorator2 | hello, I have a debian vps, trying to reboot it with "sudo reboot", then it says "system is going down for reboot now" and jumps back to normal shell immediately, no reboot, nothing happened |
| 12:06.59 | balboah | ksuhku: at least vi makes sense once you get to know it ;) |
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| 12:07.33 | va | What would be an easy way to get bind9.8 in squeeze? Didn't find a package in squeeze-backports... Could a .deb from testing work? |
| 12:08.00 | abrotman | not likely |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | !tell va about ssb |
| 12:08.12 | abrotman | va: but what's wrong with the one in squeeze already? |
| 12:08.24 | abrotman | balboah: shutdown -r now ?' |
| 12:08.29 | va | trying to run samba4 |
| 12:08.36 | abrotman | runs away |
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| 12:11.38 | valerie_ | nkuttler, if it is xorg problem what is your recommedation |
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| 12:14.13 | Sevet | valerie_: i meant Ctrl-Alt-F1 when you boot normally and the screen goes blank, not in grub |
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| 12:16.27 | valerie_ | Sevet, no, the screen remains black. I do hav live Debian CD |
| 12:17.11 | thewanderer1 | valerie_, have you managed to boot into single-user mode yet? |
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| 12:18.01 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, VPS host's fault, not Debian's - some VPS providers do not support reboot nor shutdown from within the VE and you have to use some kind of control panel |
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| 12:19.00 | valerie_ | thewonderer1, yes , if you mean the screen with GNU GRUB that starts with 'set param' |
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| 12:19.45 | maxorator2 | thewanderer1, apparently apache was clogged up and somehow stopping the reboot, once I killalled the apache2 processes, it instantly rebooted |
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| 12:20.45 | maxorator2 | weird though that frozen processes can stop a reboot |
| 12:21.02 | thewanderer1 | well, what reboot does is signal init to change runlevels |
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| 12:21.26 | thewanderer1 | it's not System V, on which "reboot" meant "do it now like there's no tomorrow" :P |
| 12:21.28 | maxorator2 | does it have any flags to simply kill processes if they don't comply within a few seconds? |
| 12:21.28 | nkuttler | valerie_: um.. what did you do to see this "set param" thing? |
| 12:21.35 | nkuttler | !tell valerie_ about single user mode |
| 12:21.46 | nkuttler | actually, it's called recovery mode nowadays |
| 12:22.05 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, well, no - init scripts are run in a particular order, and the one to stop apache certainly runs before the one that kills everything |
| 12:22.11 | valerie_ | nkuttler, I pressed letter e |
| 12:23.01 | maxorator2 | so, is there some other command that will definitely cause a reboot? |
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| 12:24.18 | nkuttler | valerie_: well you don't have to do that. just select the "rescue mode" entry in the menu |
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| 12:25.16 | thewanderer1 | sends maxorator2 to reboot's manpage |
| 12:25.41 | valerie_ | nkuttler, rescue mode also gives me garbled screen |
| 12:26.05 | nkuttler | valerie_: interesting. what kind of hardware is this? |
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| 12:26.29 | maxorator2 | oh I see, so I just have to use the -f flag |
| 12:26.55 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, yes. wave goodbye to your data :P |
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| 12:27.36 | maxorator2 | data in frozen processes is no good to me anyhow |
| 12:28.01 | thewanderer1 | just warning you that mysql or some such probably won't enjoy reboot -f |
| 12:28.11 | valerie_ | nkuttler, it is HP Pavillion g6 notebook PC, AMD for processor and radeon for grapgics |
| 12:29.01 | thewanderer1 | Radeon, well... that's bound to cause some trouble at least |
| 12:29.28 | thewanderer1 | I think you should try disabling modesetting |
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| 12:30.17 | nkuttler | valerie_: you're really sure you booted into rescue mode, right? |
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| 12:30.30 | valerie_ | thewanderer1, can you be specific |
| 12:30.42 | valerie_ | nkuttler, yes |
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| 12:30.56 | nkuttler | valerie_: you could try to boot with a vga= parameter, e.g. vga=791 |
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| 12:31.27 | nkuttler | valerie_: other than that.. fglrx is currently broken on amd64 but that should be irrelevant in rescue mode and probably not even installed |
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| 12:31.53 | thewanderer1 | valerie_, boot with "nomodeset" kernel parameter |
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| 12:33.52 | valerie_ | thewonderer1, do I type it at the end of linux /boot/vmlinuz line? |
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| 12:35.05 | maxorator2 | how do I find out what's really consuming memory? the memory shown in top (sorted by memory usage) doesn't add up to even a fifth of the actual used memory |
| 12:35.50 | maxorator2 | and the memory usage is increasing by time even if the percentage totals in top aren't really growing |
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| 12:37.06 | geekbri | maxorator2: if you type "free" remember that the the used memory includes the cached, which is memory used by the kernel but will be freed up if another process needs it |
| 12:37.15 | geekbri | maxorator2: vmstat and free are useful |
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| 12:38.37 | valerie_ | thewonderer1, I tryed both nomodeset and vga=791. It did not make a difference. Would installing stable version of debian make a difference? |
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| 12:38.59 | maxorator2 | well, my problem is that by using the mysql and apache and stuff, eventually both the swap and the physical memory is full and the system becomes really really slow |
| 12:39.33 | maxorator2 | as if the processes have a huge memory leak |
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| 12:40.47 | orflon | hello, I have that dependency problem: http://pastebin.com/6Vmsm938 , any idea of how can it be solved? |
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| 12:41.00 | ratatata | nu |
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| 12:47.20 | engla | orflon: using squeeze? Packages from backports? |
| 12:47.34 | orflon | engla, yeah some backports conflicts. Just fixed it. Thanks. |
| 12:48.06 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, are you on OpenVZ? OpenVZ has a flawed memory counter implementation, which tends to account for disk cache and other crap that it shouldn't |
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| 12:49.55 | maxorator2 | no, my service provider is using xen |
| 12:50.21 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, okay, what part of the memory usage is increasing then? |
| 12:51.28 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, it would be useful if you logged the contents of /proc/meminfo every few minutes while the memory is filling up, to illustrate the problem |
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| 12:52.03 | nkuttler | valerie_: yeah, you should try stable |
| 12:52.34 | nkuttler | valerie_: if you used the testing installer that's really more to test the installer, not to install testing |
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| 12:57.16 | thewanderer1 | I'm on a laptop (wheezy/sid) and trying to send a mail from thewanderer to root. I issue a command, `mail root@localhost`, and type in a message, but it seems to be lost - no info of any sort in the logs... exim4 is running. what gives? |
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| 12:57.35 | thewanderer1 | or maybe how do I make local mailing work? :P |
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| 12:59.08 | abrotman | thewanderer1: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:00.17 | valerie_ | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 13:03.59 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, nothing seems to have changed, still no trace of my messag |
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| 13:04.39 | thewanderer1 | I'll try manually via telnet, I guess... |
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| 13:05.56 | maxorator2 | after a few dozen of web queries, the memory usage stays at this: http://pastebin.com/YvGqdGWX |
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| 13:06.28 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, can you use human units please? df -h |
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| 13:06.55 | Woet | thewanderer1: df -h for memory? |
| 13:06.59 | Woet | stop wandering :p |
| 13:07.09 | va | abrotman: thanks alot. I blindly followed the "simple sid backport" kb entry(worth its storage space in gold) and got myself a bunch of nice bind9.8 debs |
| 13:07.11 | nevyn | so.. playing with pivot tables and spreadsheets is all good and well.. but... I should not do this |
| 13:07.11 | thewanderer1 | Woet, crap, free -m |
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| 13:07.37 | nevyn | finding out that people havn't quite spent a grand on tolls for tollways in the last 6 months doesn't make me happy |
| 13:07.41 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, free -m |
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| 13:07.52 | thewanderer1 | jettisons some tasks to focus :P |
| 13:08.16 | nevyn | oops that should have been -ot sorry |
| 13:08.24 | abrotman | va: enjoy .. i think :) |
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| 13:09.53 | maxorator2 | here's in mbs: http://pastebin.com/fbffMzTj |
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| 13:10.42 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, and can you track down what process uses it? you can sort in "top" by memory usage |
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| 13:11.37 | abrotman | maxorator2: what's wrong with that ? |
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| 13:12.44 | maxorator2 | 2 mb free memory, 0 mb free swap memory, and system is slow as hell, have to wait 20 seconds for ssh to respond to keypresses, something is definitely wrong here |
| 13:13.07 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, run top, sort by memory usage, and tell us what process uses the most memory |
| 13:13.23 | thewanderer1 | better yet, paste the chart that top outputs if possible |
| 13:13.37 | Suthe | Hi. Is it possible to install Debian (preferably Wheezy) on a USB stick in a way that I can boot it both natively and in VirtualBox? |
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| 13:14.10 | iugrina | howto enable ati 6xxx series driver in wheezy? |
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| 13:14.46 | thewanderer1 | Suthe, yes, you can install it just like on a normal disk, and if you do manage to boot a real pendrive in VBox, then case #2 works as well |
| 13:14.47 | abrotman | maxorator2: what is using the CPU ? |
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| 13:15.35 | maxorator2 | abrotman, cpu usage is pretty low, but it's still very slow |
| 13:15.51 | thewanderer1 | Suthe, just remember that USB flash drives are usually slow and have a limited life expectancy - a Debian install is suboptimal and you should probably get a Debian-Live on it |
| 13:15.56 | Suthe | thewanderer1: is there some secret incantation needed to install Grub2 on the pendrive itself? When I tried to install it always refuses the installation with: 'grub-install failed'. |
| 13:16.23 | Suthe | Oh, no problem with that, I'll keep backups (famous last words, I know). |
| 13:16.41 | balboah | Suthe: there are images that boots just about any usb device in Vbox |
| 13:16.48 | thewanderer1 | Suthe, it installs just fine for me - any more error messages? make sure that you leave enough of space before the first partition - start with sector 8, preferably |
| 13:16.51 | abrotman | maxorator2: anything in your systlog or messages? |
| 13:17.03 | abrotman | maxorator2: that RAM usage doesn't appear to be a problem, you're not hitting swap |
| 13:17.15 | maxorator2 | my swap is full... |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | syslog, not systlog |
| 13:17.25 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, re-read the table, it's 255 total 255 full :) |
| 13:17.27 | abrotman | ugh, too learly! |
| 13:17.31 | abrotman | andcan't type |
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| 13:17.42 | abrotman | maxorator2: so if you run top, what's using it? apache? |
| 13:17.53 | abrotman | maxorator2: if you shutdown apache, does it return to normal ? |
| 13:17.57 | maxorator2 | ugh, waiting for top to start |
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| 13:18.08 | thewanderer1 | give it some time :P |
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| 13:20.13 | Suthe | thewanderer1: I'm pretty sure there is enough space (the stick is 32GB, I plan to dedicate it all to Debian). Unfortunately, all the installer says is 'grub-install failed'. |
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| 13:21.18 | thewanderer1 | Suthe, press Alt+F4 in the installer - it will switch you to tty4, where logs are displayed, and hopefully shed some light on the matter |
| 13:21.58 | Suthe | thewanderer1: thanks, I'll try to get a more meaningful message. |
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| 13:24.27 | maxorator2 | finally top responded: http://pastebin.com/jzXGxTjx |
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| 13:25.00 | thewanderer1 | Suthe, Apache is clearly forking off too many children... do you run the PHP5 module, too? |
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| 13:25.36 | maxorator2 | yes |
| 13:25.49 | maxorator2 | the queries are actually to a wordpress page |
| 13:26.08 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, you should limit the maximum amount of workers that Apache is allowed to spawn, and decrease MySQL's memory usage |
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| 13:26.29 | thewanderer1 | well, the MySQL doesn't appear to be consuming much, but it can grow enormously |
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| 13:27.30 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, have you considered switching to some smaller Web server, like lighttpd or nginx? you are low on resources on that VPS, Apache2 is known for being heavy-weight... |
| 13:27.44 | evildmp | when I try to ssh into my machine on port 8888, there is: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key; fatal: No supported key exchange algorithms in the logs |
| 13:27.49 | evildmp | it works fine on port 22 though |
| 13:28.04 | maxorator2 | but I don't get it, I've ran joomla and the like on that vps a lot before, no major problems |
| 13:28.13 | evildmp | obvously I have set Port in sshd_config |
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| 13:28.32 | thewanderer1 | maxorator2, the load numbers have changed, and WordPress is quite heavy itself, too => you've run out of RAM |
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| 13:31.18 | maxorator2 | apparently in like 10-15 minutes half of the swap becomes available again, some apache processes manage to finish |
| 13:31.47 | maxorator2 | but still doesn't explain why at some point the queries become stuck even when there's only 1 concurrent query at that time |
| 13:32.06 | nakee | I'm missing brightness-ac key any idea what happened to it? |
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| 13:38.17 | abrotman | maxorator2: define query ... |
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| 13:42.19 | epsilon | permanently? etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:42.32 | epsilon | ad hoc: ip addr ... |
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| 13:59.55 | valerie_ | I am trying to install debian stable on computer with windows. I had wheezy there before, but had problems with graphics (I assume, since the screen would turn black and would not let me log in) Now the installer tells me 'the debootstrap program exited with error (return value 1) , check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console log for details. What does it meat and How should I proceed? |
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| 14:00.17 | kbar | valerie_: did you check your logs? |
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| 14:01.13 | aguitel | valerie_, what kind of graphic? |
| 14:01.19 | valerie_ | kbar, do I choose to go back in installer? |
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| 14:02.04 | abrotman | aguitel: radeon 6xxx IIRC |
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| 14:02.21 | valerie_ | aquitel, radeon. I tryed typing nomodeset in set params window without results |
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| 14:03.46 | abrotman | params window ? |
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| 14:04.00 | abrotman | valerie_: which card exactly? were you using the F/OSS driver or the fglrx ? |
| 14:05.26 | valerie_ | abrotman, |
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| 14:06.12 | Suthe | valerie_, have you tried to add: video=SVIDEO-1:d to the kernel command line in grub? |
| 14:06.35 | valerie_ | abrotman, all I know it is VGA amd ati radeon. How can I check if it is fglrx? |
| 14:07.05 | valerie_ | suthe, no . I will try now |
| 14:07.05 | aguitel | valerie_, type lspci |
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| 14:07.37 | valerie_ | aguitel, I do not have a terminal |
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| 14:07.55 | Suthe | valerie_: I don't know it that will help, but my laptop will black-screen without it, trying for some reason to use TV-OUT. |
| 14:08.39 | Suthe | (it also has a radeon card) |
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| 14:10.02 | WilliamWS | hi, I installed Debian squeeze without graphical interface and with VERY few options, worked very well, I installed the firmware needed for the NIC. What do I need to connect in the network? |
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| 14:12.36 | aguitel | WilliamWS, ethernet connection? |
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| 14:13.18 | WilliamWS | It look connected but when I issue apt-get update it does not update. |
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| 14:13.36 | aguitel | what error |
| 14:13.38 | WilliamWS | aguitel This computer is connected to a router that is connecter on the internet |
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| 14:13.59 | WilliamWS | aguitel can not reach the server, I am sure the repo is correct. |
| 14:13.59 | valerie_ | Suthe, the tv and video parameters did not help |
| 14:14.03 | engla | WilliamWS: can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
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| 14:14.30 | abrotman | valerie_: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. show us the line |
| 14:14.42 | WilliamWS | engla, not |
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| 14:15.00 | WilliamWS | network is unreachable |
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| 14:15.00 | kstar | I have this problem where apt wants to remove all of KDE when I try to install a new KDE package, rather than upgrading all the old packages. |
| 14:15.03 | kstar | How do I fix that? |
| 14:15.37 | Sevet | have you tried updating the old packages first? |
| 14:16.05 | abrotman | kstar: which version of Deian ? |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | Debian ... |
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| 14:16.40 | WilliamWS | squeeze, etch, Lenny??? |
| 14:16.41 | kstar | abrotman: testing. |
| 14:16.47 | kstar | Also, I meant 'aptitude', not apt. |
| 14:16.48 | kstar | Sorry. |
| 14:17.01 | abrotman | kstar: i'd either guess your system is weofully out of date, or you've been mixing .. |
| 14:17.10 | valerie_ | abrotman, I have grml live cd and can go to text interface |
| 14:17.15 | kstar | I guess, both. :-S |
| 14:17.20 | abrotman | kstar: if you `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade` .. how many pacakges want to be upgraded ? |
| 14:17.31 | abrotman | valerie_: okay |
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| 14:17.43 | engla | WilliamWS: wired or wifi network? |
| 14:18.09 | WilliamWS | wired |
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| 14:19.52 | kstar | abrotman: 1600 |
| 14:20.01 | kstar | That's probalby my problem. |
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| 14:20.10 | valerie_ | abrotman. lspci only tells me VGA AMD nee ATI. How do I find out if it is fglrx? |
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| 14:20.19 | kstar | Okay, so I guess I'm going to live with the situation now, since I need productivity till next weekend. |
| 14:20.28 | kstar | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 14:20.49 | abrotman | jeebus |
| 14:21.02 | abrotman | that's like .. every package |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | kstar: generally, running testing means you should keep up to date .. running the ful-upgrade at least once a week, and being aware of broken bits |
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| 14:23.06 | valerie_ | abrotman, lspci -nn | grep VGA showed 'VGA compatible controller [0300] amd nee ATI Device [1002:9648] |
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| 14:27.00 | abrotman | wtf is that ? |
| 14:27.10 | abrotman | well, not helpful really |
| 14:27.47 | abrotman | valerie_: 6480G |
| 14:27.49 | gerben | I'm sorry, I've asked this 2 times before now, but I've tried almost everything and I still haven't got a clue. At first, my keyboard and mouse were not working in an emdebian image. When I added the standard kernel modules, the mouse started working (keyboard still broken). I've now switched to completely standard Debian. |
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| 14:28.03 | gerben | I just can't get the keyboard to work in X. |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | gerben: there is a #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:28.46 | abrotman | gerben: what's special about your keyboard? does it work int he bios ? |
| 14:28.48 | gerben | ok, but I am now only using stock Debian packages. |
| 14:29.03 | gerben | yes, and it is working in the console too |
| 14:29.05 | gerben | just not in X |
| 14:29.17 | gerben | not in emdebian, also not in regular debian. |
| 14:29.22 | abrotman | did you look in your X log ? |
| 14:29.28 | gerben | yes |
| 14:29.42 | abrotman | no errors? |
| 14:29.47 | gerben | no |
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| 14:29.49 | valerie_ | abrotman, where do I type it , back in linux /boot/vmlinuz line? |
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| 14:30.01 | abrotman | valerie_: no, but you'll need the fglrx for that I believe |
| 14:30.07 | abrotman | valerie_: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | gerben: have you tried another? |
| 14:30.58 | gerben | Another keyboard? Yes, both a vmware esx one, and a physical machine |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | both fail ? |
| 14:31.24 | gerben | yes |
| 14:31.29 | abrotman | how did you install X ? |
| 14:31.36 | gerben | multistrap |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg ? |
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| 14:32.46 | valerie_ | abrotman, root @grml tells : 'no such file or directory /msg |
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| 14:33.04 | gerben | Xorg log - http://pastebin.com/E5e0tgbG - I'll test your command.. |
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| 14:35.12 | gerben | abrotman, I don't have the xorg package, nor apt/aptitude. I'm now rebuilding with the xorg package added. |
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| 14:38.06 | squeezy | how do i mount a .bin file as a virtual CD ? |
| 14:38.48 | karlpinc | squeezy: mount -o ro,loop /path/to/some.bin /place/to/mnt |
| 14:39.02 | engla | squeezy: first you need a tool to extract a iso file from the .bin |
| 14:39.14 | engla | (if it's that kind of .bin) |
| 14:39.30 | squeezy | no direct bin mounting |
| 14:39.31 | squeezy | ? |
| 14:39.34 | karlpinc | squeezy: Yah. What's in the .bin? |
| 14:39.41 | squeezy | a cd image |
| 14:40.00 | karlpinc | squeezy: Of what sort of filesystem? (What does 'file' tell you?) |
| 14:40.22 | gerben | abrotman, adding the xorg package didn't make a difference. |
| 14:40.35 | engla | .bin is very unspecific, but the .bin I've converted was basically a .iso file with a header |
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| 14:41.06 | squeezy | it says data |
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| 14:41.56 | karlpinc | squeezy: Then you'll need something that recognizes that data and converts it into some data that's recognizable. Perhaps you can get support from the people who made the .bin? |
| 14:42.36 | WilliamWS | the eth0 is there, but the dhclient does not start at all, the command returns but the ps -e do not shows it. |
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| 14:43.01 | engla | squeezy: ah, I've found it. when I did this I used the debian package bchunk for .bin -> .iso |
| 14:43.09 | squeezy | if i try mounting, it asks me to specify filesystem |
| 14:43.20 | squeezy | engla, i think thats the tool im looking for |
| 14:43.27 | squeezy | thanks :) ill try and get back |
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| 14:43.42 | karlpinc | squeezy: Yes. It needs to know how the data in the file is structured. So will you, if you're to work with the data. |
| 14:44.18 | karlpinc | WilliamWS: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Does not show an IP for the interface? |
| 14:44.34 | WilliamWS | What are the needed packages to use the network? |
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| 14:44.57 | karlpinc | WilliamWS: Normally they are all installed. You configure the network with the interfaces file. |
| 14:45.04 | karlpinc | !tell WilliamWS about interfaces |
| 14:45.17 | WilliamWS | no, no IP assigned |
| 14:45.23 | karlpinc | engla: What makes those sorts of .bin file? |
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| 14:46.32 | karlpinc | !tell WilliamWS about dhcp client |
| 14:46.47 | karlpinc | WilliamWS: Does your interfaces file contain those lines? |
| 14:47.24 | WilliamWS | a moment i am checking |
| 14:47.37 | evildmp | when i set Port 8888 in sshd_config, I get Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer when trying to ssh |
| 14:47.40 | evildmp | port 22 is fine |
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| 14:47.55 | engla | karlpinc: some kind of windows cd-burning software. bin/cue have information for multiple-track cds and so it's probably more general than iso |
| 14:48.11 | karlpinc | evildmp: Did you restart your ssh server? |
| 14:48.51 | evildmp | and I have run sudo ufw allow 8888/tcp # for ssh |
| 14:48.58 | evildmp | karlpinc: yes I restarted it |
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| 14:49.16 | valerie_ | abrotman is this all I can do from root@grml? |
| 14:49.34 | evildmp | after restarting it and trying to connect on port 22, i get Connection refused (as I would expect) |
| 14:49.36 | karlpinc | evildmp: Does 'netstat -tl' say the port is listening? |
| 14:49.40 | WilliamWS | tehres "auto lo" and iface lo inet, I shoud change the lo to eth0, or I need to create another fot eth0? |
| 14:49.54 | evildmp | but I don't know what Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer means in this contwxt |
| 14:50.10 | evildmp | karlpinc: it says: tcp 0 0 *:8888 *:* LISTEN |
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| 14:50.45 | karlpinc | evildmp: It means that the remote end rejected your connection. Something is firewalling it away because your box is listening on the port. |
| 14:51.05 | cockroach | hey, small question: is there a way to tell iceweasel to use JACK for audio? |
| 14:51.18 | evildmp | karlpinc: auth.log says: Jul 2 15:50:53 w085 sshd[6757]: error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key when I try to ssh on port 8888 |
| 14:51.28 | karlpinc | WilliamWS: You want to leave "lo" in there! |
| 14:52.03 | karlpinc | WilliamWS: Do what dpkg said, and see "man interfaces" for more examples if that's not clear. |
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| 14:54.01 | WilliamWS | karlpinc thank you sooooo much man. I configured the interfaces and worked fine. |
| 14:54.03 | WilliamWS | thank you |
| 14:54.28 | squeezy | engla, thanks, it worked |
| 14:54.38 | evildmp | karlpinc: there is such a file, /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key, owned by root with rw privileges, but it is empty |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | gerben: what is uname -r ? |
| 14:55.28 | abrotman | valerie_: yeah, you have to get the instructions from the wiki |
| 14:55.46 | gerben | abramart, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:55.50 | gerben | typo |
| 14:55.56 | gerben | abrotman, I meant.. |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | gerben: he's used to it |
| 14:56.29 | abrotman | or should be by now |
| 14:56.34 | gerben | lol |
| 14:56.45 | abrotman | gerben: you isntalled the 'xorg' package, and did a reboot, nochange? |
| 14:57.01 | gerben | yes, I installed it and rebooted |
| 14:57.04 | gerben | and no change. |
| 14:57.42 | gerben | but it looks like a meta-package. I think I already had most of what it installs, but not sure. I have it now anyway. |
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| 14:57.56 | abrotman | gerben: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 14:58.06 | abrotman | the metapacage is the recommended way |
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| 14:58.21 | gerben | no, I've experimented with it to try and fix stuff |
| 14:58.29 | gerben | but not at the moment |
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| 15:00.42 | evildmp | karlpinc: it looks as though I need to generate some extra keys with ssh-keygen -t dsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key - but I don't understand why they were not generated the first time round with ssh-keygen |
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| 15:00.51 | madtux | hello to everyone |
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| 15:01.00 | madtux | guys just a quick one |
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| 15:01.51 | madtux | how I can save the environment variable ? |
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| 15:02.01 | geekbri | How would I discover when in the boot process my LVM volume gets mounted? Maybe I'm just asking when fstab runs in the boot process? |
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| 15:02.30 | madtux | every time the value of lc_all is empty if I log out from the machine |
| 15:02.31 | pjc_ | madtux: for reboots? |
| 15:02.38 | valerie_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:02.41 | pjc_ | madtux: .bashrc should be fine |
| 15:03.29 | abrotman | gerben: so your X log thinks you have a perfectly legit and working X ? |
| 15:03.36 | abrotman | gerben: is this USB or PS/2 ? |
| 15:03.38 | abrotman | win 1 |
| 15:03.56 | gerben | this is from vmware, I think it emulates ps/2 |
| 15:04.13 | gerben | I'll check with my physical machine if it is usb or ps/2 |
| 15:04.15 | abrotman | i think you can have it emulate whatever you'd like ? |
| 15:04.17 | nvz | geekbri: well the root partition is brought online before init, if its lvm typically by initrd. the rest is brought up by a mount init script |
| 15:04.38 | gerben | that is usb |
| 15:04.39 | cockroach | hey, small question: is there a way to tell iceweasel to use JACK for audio (not flash, native audio)? |
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| 15:05.45 | nvz | cockroach: there is a generic way using ~/.asound.conf (I think) to configure ALSA to use something like jack or pulseaudio that applies to everything |
| 15:06.06 | cockroach | nvz: interesting! i'll look into that, thanks |
| 15:06.13 | abrotman | gerben: do you have to install the vmware guest tools ? |
| 15:06.31 | nvz | cockroach: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc |
| 15:07.01 | ech0 | is there a XBMC channel? |
| 15:07.07 | gerben | abrotman, I haven't installed those. But it is also not working on a regular PC |
| 15:07.15 | cockroach | nvz: nice! thanks a lot |
| 15:07.23 | abrotman | gerben: with the same physical keyboards? |
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| 15:07.26 | abrotman | erm .. keyboard |
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| 15:07.44 | abrotman | ech0: oddly, #xbmc ? |
| 15:07.51 | gerben | abrotman, no. Totally independent. |
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| 15:08.12 | abrotman | gerben: so somehow, you've got two completely broken but independent keyboards? |
| 15:08.50 | gerben | abrotman, the keyboards are fine, it's just X that doesn't work |
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| 15:09.24 | abrotman | gerben: but one is a VM, and one is a hardware box, both with different keyboards |
| 15:09.34 | gerben | yes |
| 15:10.19 | abrotman | both installed with debootstram ? |
| 15:10.21 | abrotman | strap |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | punishes his fingers |
| 15:10.29 | gerben | I'm now trying to quickly created an image using debootstrap to see if that makes any difference |
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| 15:10.42 | gerben | the previous image was made using multistrap from the emdebian project |
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| 15:11.11 | gerben | but using the emdebian grip or the debian repositories didn't make any difference |
| 15:11.31 | gerben | so I don't expect much from debootstrap.. |
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| 15:15.43 | abrotman | gerben: i may be at lunch by the time you get that sorted .. i'll try to respond when I get back |
| 15:15.56 | gerben | ok |
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| 15:16.06 | gerben | it is already packing the squashfs image |
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| 15:16.35 | gerben | but I may be travelling home by the time you finished lunch :) I'll come back when I'm home |
| 15:16.39 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:16.52 | gerben | this is to be deployed tomorrow morning ( 15 hours from now ). |
| 15:17.01 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 15:17.07 | abrotman | enjoy working under pressure? |
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| 15:20.21 | gerben | not much :) |
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| 15:25.34 | LittleFoot | is debian sid ok |
| 15:25.49 | LittleFoot | is it any diff from debian 6 |
| 15:25.57 | LittleFoot | debian 7 |
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| 15:26.56 | abrotman | yes, very much so |
| 15:26.59 | gerben | abrotman, using debootstrap made no difference either, it only made the image a lot bigger. I'll go home now, I'll be back in 1.5 hours. |
| 15:27.08 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:27.12 | geekbri | Is there an easy way to print the order init scripts are run it? |
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| 15:27.19 | LittleFoot | is debian 7 ok to use for work |
| 15:27.23 | raz0 | LittleFoot: the fact that you are asking this, suggest that you should not be running sid :) |
| 15:27.42 | LittleFoot | raz0 thats bullshit |
| 15:27.57 | LittleFoot | u think ur a fkn wizard huh |
| 15:28.14 | pparadis | LittleFoot: debian 7 doesn't exist yet. if your primary concern is stability, as in a work environment, you should use squeeze, as it is the stable release. |
| 15:28.18 | raz0 | I don't know where you got that from |
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| 15:28.27 | LittleFoot | thank u pparadis |
| 15:28.28 | raz0 | but *I* wouldn't run sid myself. |
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| 15:28.41 | LittleFoot | thank u raz0 |
| 15:28.53 | LittleFoot | for this time u werent a condensending bich |
| 15:29.03 | Sevet | LittleFoot: sid is the version where development is actively done, it's extremely unstable so unless you're actually doing development not the version to use |
| 15:29.17 | LittleFoot | ahh sevet thankz |
| 15:29.18 | pparadis | LittleFoot: please watch your language. this channel gets a little spirited at times, but you're veering toward outright abusive. |
| 15:29.20 | ansgar | LittleFoot: COuld you please stop insulting people? Or go $elsewhere. |
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| 15:29.30 | abrotman | LittleFoot: take a time out, be nice to people |
| 15:29.34 | Sevet | what raz0 meant was since you've not heard of sid before, you're unlikely to want to run a development system that'll be so unstable |
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| 15:29.55 | abrotman | ignore it, he was apparently here to troll |
| 15:30.31 | engla | is there a way to take my Xmodmap and make it apply to both console and X? I mostly do remaps like this: keycode 40 = d D d D braceleft (AltGr-D is {) |
| 15:30.32 | abrotman | and if he starts again, just call ops, don't feed it |
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| 15:31.12 | evildmp | abrotman: I don't see why he's still on here |
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| 15:33.01 | jpinx | I have been configuring the usb network and I can ping from my N900 to my laptop but not other way around. Any pointers? |
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| 15:33.33 | jpinx | squeeze on the laptop and maemo on the n900 |
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| 15:33.43 | abrotman | bad netmask ? |
| 15:33.51 | abrotman | evildmp: apparently i'm a nice guy or something |
| 15:33.51 | evildmp | jpinx: john pinkerton? |
| 15:33.57 | Sevet | jpinx: if you get ping replies routing is probably ok. firewall maybe? |
| 15:34.09 | jpinx | abrotman: they are the same |
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| 15:34.21 | konka9000 | my cpu flags are flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr |
| 15:34.30 | konka9000 | is there any way i can virtualize with it? |
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| 15:34.54 | abrotman | you can virtualize with any CPU .. how fast it is is another question |
| 15:35.09 | engla | kvm requires VT-x no? |
| 15:35.09 | konka9000 | i see that vme is Virtual-8086 Mode Enhancement |
| 15:35.18 | konka9000 | i believe my cpu will NOT run kvm |
| 15:35.30 | konka9000 | but isn't there a linux containers thing or something |
| 15:36.23 | abrotman | konka9000: that's not VM .. |
| 15:36.26 | abrotman | !lxc |
| 15:36.26 | dpkg | Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system using kernel-level isolation. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
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| 15:36.47 | pparadis | there's always UML ;) |
| 15:36.50 | pparadis | ducks |
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| 15:37.57 | konka9000 | does lxc require virtualization support in the hardware? |
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| 15:38.18 | abrotman | readt eh docs |
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| 15:44.34 | cockroach | nvz: woohoo, this actually works! thanks a lot |
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| 15:48.29 | _Lucretia_ | when i do "mount" should usbfs show up? |
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| 15:50.05 | mmnicolas | I'm trying to find the cause of a bug I'm having with iceweasel in squeeze but I can't reproduce the issue when running iceweasel with strace, is there any possible reason or I'm just unlucky ? |
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| 15:50.48 | dkr | mmnicolas: sounds like a heisenbug. :) |
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| 15:51.42 | nvz | cockroach: great. not a problem ;) |
| 15:52.26 | dkr | sometimes having strace attached slows things down enough to make some types of bugs (like a race condition) less likely |
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| 15:52.49 | mmnicolas | yea exactly, the thing I can't easily reproduce it, it just happens after a while, with many tabs open, when typing in a form, typically a facebook or gmail form |
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| 15:54.46 | Dantix | hi all! Iḿ trying to use curlftpfs and when tried to mount a ftp folder locally received: fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first. So, tried: modprobe fuse and received: FATAL: Module fuse not found. How can I resolve this issue? |
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| 15:55.03 | mmnicolas | Dantix: install fuse |
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| 15:57.06 | Dantix | mmnicolas: what´s the name of the package, Iḿ seeing a lot regarded fuse |
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| 15:58.08 | mmnicolas | Dantix: in fact it comes with the default kernel in squeeze, you should already have that |
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| 16:00.27 | Dantix | mmnicolas: I´m on hosted VPS and the kernel the they gave me is 2.6.32-042stab055.10 #1 SMP |
| 16:00.45 | Dantix | I don´t know if a regular kernel |
| 16:01.02 | thewanderer1 | Dantix, this is a RedHat kernel, not a Debian one |
| 16:01.14 | Dantix | at sources.list can see squeeze as distribution |
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| 16:01.24 | thewanderer1 | Dantix, you are in OpenVZ, you're screwed |
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| 16:02.16 | Dantix | yes, is an openvz... why? there aren´t solution for my problem? |
| 16:02.58 | thewanderer1 | Dantix, you would not be allowed to load a kernel module, anyway. or use the fuse device, probably. you're in a container and are not allowed to touch the host's kernel. |
| 16:03.56 | thewanderer1 | Dantix, ask your VPS hoster to enable FUSE for you, they should have means of doing so. you can't do anything yourself in this case. |
| 16:04.04 | konka9000 | so it seems that linux containers does not need virtualization support to be in the CPU |
| 16:04.27 | Dantix | understood! is there a way other that curlftpfs to mount a ftp shared folder? |
| 16:04.47 | thewanderer1 | Dantix, you could use an application which understands FTP natively :P |
| 16:04.53 | thewanderer1 | but no, not really... |
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| 16:06.29 | Dantix | thewanderer1: no problem, thanks anyway |
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| 16:12.16 | El_gran_libro_de | :D |
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| 16:19.27 | joelio_ | Could anyone point me at recent docs for using ISCSI shared storage with libvirt (kvm). The docs I've found either reference tgtd (which seems broken in debian, ie. no init script for starters). I've managed to create the targets and present them but when I come to add the pool in virt-manager, it's telling me that libvirt doesn't support volume creation? |
| 16:19.45 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ... i want to make auto-login in kdm ... but when i enter 'systemsettings' ->'Convienience' Tab ... everything is greyed out ! |
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| 16:23.53 | karlpinc | joelio_: I've no idea if this will help: http://wiki.debian.org/iSCSI |
| 16:24.20 | joelio_ | iSCSI |
| 16:24.21 | joelio_ | This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. |
| 16:24.50 | thewanderer1 | JoeHazzers, that is correct, libvirt will not create volumes for you - you need to export existing LUNs |
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| 16:25.23 | JoeHazzers | o.o |
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| 16:25.34 | thewanderer1 | JoeHazzers, sorry, wrong autocompletion :/ |
| 16:25.38 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: I presume you mean me :) that's pretty sucky. I'd have thought I'd be able to do it in virt-manager! |
| 16:26.11 | thewanderer1 | joelio_, for what it's worth, I use istgt on FreeBSD as the target - you need to disable auth, too. see if you can get that running on Debian... |
| 16:26.39 | karlpinc | joelio_: Looks like the dpkg bot has the wrong info. (There's some iscsi pages on the wiki, but under san/iscsi....) |
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| 16:26.50 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: I'm more concerned about having to manually export LUNS, that's not what I was hoping for |
| 16:26.57 | joelio_ | may be time to test openstack |
| 16:27.45 | joelio_ | karlpinc: yea, found it.. it's the same as what I've done already. Libvirt seems to be the problem |
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| 16:29.47 | thewanderer1 | joelio_, yes, that's a pain - you could automate it or use FreeNAS. OpenStack is heavy. |
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| 16:31.34 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: yea, we've got a few compute nodes and about 72Tb of backend filer (all on Wheezy) - should be enough grunt |
| 16:32.04 | joelio_ | and more importantly, they're not in use yet |
| 16:32.08 | joelio_ | so I can play :) |
| 16:32.31 | karlpinc | joelio_: For a compute stack I'd think you'd want lcx instead of kvm. |
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| 16:32.54 | karlpinc | s/lcs/lxc/ |
| 16:33.18 | joelio_ | karlpinc: Nah, I want KVM, defintitely. Enables us to run other OS's |
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| 16:33.26 | joelio_ | and KSM is always handy |
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| 16:36.39 | karlpinc | joelio_: I can see how ksm is handy. But you don't need it if you've got containers :) I was just thinking of avoiding the overhead of full virtualzation. But.... If you're running other OSs then there's no point. |
| 16:36.44 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... i just installed cmake ... but i can't make 'ccmake .' !! ..any help here ? |
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| 16:38.13 | jelly-home | cobra-the-joker: don't you mean "cmake ."? |
| 16:38.58 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home: no ...ccmake ... configure cmake |
| 16:39.14 | cobra-the-joker | it seems its a problem with anything either than the amd64 arch |
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| 16:39.22 | cobra-the-joker | jelly-home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481392 |
| 16:39.25 | joelio_ | karlpinc: Yea, sure, I understand.. got a lot of real-world experience with kvm, so feel happier using it |
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| 16:41.27 | karlpinc | joelio_: I see the appeal. No substitue for knowing what you're doing. :) I'm thinking diskless compute nodes, but have not gone there yet so it's all theory. |
| 16:43.20 | joelio_ | karlpinc: Yea, you could do that with gPXE and boot over ISCSI or HTTP or something :) |
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| 16:46.00 | joelio_ | karlpinc: Just found some official puppet modules for openstack too.. makes my life even easier :D |
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| 16:50.24 | thewanderer1 | joelio_, openstack is for clouds (which means short-lived instances), I'm not sure if you'll find it appropriate - in particular, there appears to be a poor opinion of the durability in case of a crash or power outage... |
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| 16:51.23 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: We're an R&D deptartment, so most images are to be created and destroyed at will by users |
| 16:51.29 | joelio_ | sounds ideal ;) |
| 16:51.47 | reavengrey | debian #1 |
| 16:51.52 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: hence why managing LUNs manually is a pain for me |
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| 16:54.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I see - CloudStack could do the job then |
| 16:54.59 | raptor67782 | hi |
| 16:55.19 | raptor67782 | how to emulate an ARM machine with Qemu to install debina on it and compile sthg...? |
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| 16:55.57 | Wulf | Hello! |
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| 16:57.10 | fas3r | Hello |
| 16:57.16 | Wulf | If I use my touch pad to scroll and hit it a bit harder (or something like that..) it appears that scrolling continues after I removed my finger. How can I turn that annoying feature off? |
| 16:57.55 | fas3r | I have a problem, i dont have any process which is running but all the memory is used ? Any idea to find out which process is using all the memory ? |
| 16:58.09 | pparadis | fas3r: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 17:00.22 | fas3r | pparadis: so it means that only 50% is used : http://pastebin.com/2Q7D6nQe ? |
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| 17:00.43 | pparadis | fas3r: you have 2678 MB of RAM available. |
| 17:00.59 | fas3r | yes but i'm suppose to have 7Go.. |
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| 17:01.14 | fas3r | so I'm really confused .. |
| 17:01.34 | pparadis | fas3r: you have 8 GB of RAM total. 5.4 GB is actually used right now. have you looked at your processes with ps, htop, etc? |
| 17:02.27 | pparadis | fas3r: ps -eo pmem,pcpu,rss,vsize,args | sort -k 1 -r | more |
| 17:02.39 | fas3r | pparadis: yes i did.. I sorted by memory use and nothing.. |
| 17:02.49 | pparadis | pastebin the output of that command. |
| 17:02.59 | pparadis | the one i just gave you. |
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| 17:05.11 | fas3r | pparadis: http://pastebin.com/0t2yq2QE |
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| 17:06.45 | fas3r | pparadis: you see nothing strange :S |
| 17:06.48 | sney | so, iscsi is caching up the wazoo |
| 17:06.50 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.57 | raptor67782 | I hope htat it is official and not a hack |
| 17:07.08 | raptor67782 | that destroy my pc |
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| 17:07.54 | sney | raptor67782: uh, it looks ok to me |
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| 17:08.55 | fas3r | sney: to me ? |
| 17:09.04 | fas3r | about iscsi ? |
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| 17:11.58 | sney | yeah, some network file/disk storage protocols increase load and don't really report it. I've seen it with nfs too. |
| 17:11.58 | TomSlominski | Hi. How do I access the console view when booting with plymouth? My install isn't booting and I want to figure out why. If I can't access it from plymouth then I'll just have to boot from CD |
| 17:11.58 | fas3r | sney: as it's a vmware on a ESX, maybe that's the problem, I should movethe VMware to an other ESX node. |
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| 17:11.58 | sney | TomSlominski: check the plymouth page on the debian wiki, I seem to remember a boot option to turn it off |
| 17:12.07 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:12.14 | Posterdati | how can I change alternative for gcc? |
| 17:12.15 | gerben | TomSlominski, the easiest answer is to not use plymouth, and remove all "quiet" and vga= stuff |
| 17:12.20 | TomSlominski | sney, well, I know how to turn it off, I just need a shortcut for going to console from plymouth, since right now I can't even boot |
| 17:12.20 | sney | fas3r: if it were my choice, I'd keep the heavy i/o off of VMs altogether |
| 17:12.45 | Posterdati | I don't need to use gcc-4.7, but removing it now will uninstall a lot of stuffs now (wheezy) |
| 17:12.46 | TomSlominski | gerben, it's mainly my parents' PC, text output at boot is a bit patronising, you see. It usually works fine. |
| 17:12.47 | sney | TomSlominski: I mean a kernel option. in the grub menu. |
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| 17:13.02 | TomSlominski | sney, yeah, I think I can see it on Ubuntu wiki, thanks |
| 17:13.05 | sney | you can turn it back on once the problem is fixed |
| 17:13.41 | gerben | TomSlominski, I understand, you just boot it one (press escape on the grub menu, press e to edit an entry). Check what the problem is, fix it, and reboot with plymouth on next time. |
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| 17:15.48 | fas3r | sney: so if I understand, It's because the Hard drive (iscsi) is working too much on the ESX (probably), so it increase the memory used on the VMware ? |
| 17:16.21 | fas3r | to keep in cache the data which are coming on this VMware. |
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| 17:17.25 | sney | fas3r: that's about what I'm thinking, yes |
| 17:17.34 | fas3r | oki |
| 17:17.45 | fas3r | thank you for your help all as usual :D |
| 17:17.47 | sney | iscsi isn't just a hard drive, it's a way of translating scsi commands over a network. |
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| 17:18.01 | sney | so it's a hard drive and it's in another box, at least. |
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| 17:22.37 | barhom | hey! Im about to install 6 "cpu-intensive" servers that definitely do not need a lot of HDD. 8gb space would be sufficient for me. The tasks Ill be running will only be memory+cpu intensive and barely nothing will ever be written to disk. So I got the idea to install Debian on ext2 USB 8gb memory, however, for some reason, the installation is super slow - I do not understand why it would be so slow, I mean it takes like 1. |
| 17:22.38 | barhom | to install. Is something wrong? |
| 17:23.05 | sney | usb I/O is really slow |
| 17:23.13 | Myrtti | takes like 1 - you got cut off there |
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| 17:23.50 | barhom | its true that USB I/O is slow, but ~10-15mb/s it should be able to handle |
| 17:24.00 | barhom | and installing debian isn't that big, or am I missing something? |
| 17:24.11 | barhom | bare-minimum installation even |
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| 17:25.07 | sney | no, it really is that slow. nothing is wrong. but for your purposes it should still be fine. boot will take a while but as long as the server has enough ram, it won't have to access the usb stick much if at all |
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| 17:25.27 | TomSlominski | Weird, nothing has been logged. |
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| 17:26.12 | barhom | sney: I mean the finished installation use on disk is something like 500-700mb, but still it takes like 1.5hrs to install. Should I be worried? (once it is installed, it works quite OK imho) |
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| 17:27.43 | sney | usb is pretty good at random reads actually iirc. so yeah, I wouldn't be worried. what you should do if you're making a bunch of these, is to make a disk image and write it to all of them rather than going through the whole installer every time |
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| 17:28.22 | barhom | Ive always had problems when doing disk images of whole installation since it messes up with NICs (because of different mac addresses) |
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| 17:29.03 | barhom | but that was just a long time ago, you're thinking just dd /dev/sda into the next USB and launching the next computer with it or another tool? |
| 17:29.37 | sney | well, the mac address thing can be fixed if you mount the image and delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 17:29.44 | brong_ | barhom: just nuke ... |
| 17:29.46 | brong_ | bah, too slow |
| 17:29.47 | brong_ | ;) |
| 17:29.54 | barhom | what? ;o |
| 17:29.55 | brong_ | was checking the name to be sure |
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| 17:30.16 | brong_ | that's the file which udev uses to decide if it needs to choose different names for the NICs |
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| 17:30.23 | brong_ | based on the MAC addresses of the previous ones |
| 17:30.47 | barhom | nice |
| 17:31.22 | raptor67782 | question. how to know that /dev/dsp is being used and busy ? |
| 17:31.22 | sney | yeah, make an image from a finished usb stick, e.g. dd if=/dev/sdc of=~/foo , then mount it and change little things as necessary |
| 17:31.38 | thewanderer1 | barhom, a much better idea for a server environment is using a storage server and booting your computation nodes off it |
| 17:31.40 | barhom | sounds good |
| 17:31.59 | sney | raptor67782: most debian systems do not have /dev/dsp at all unless snd-pcm-oss is loaded for compatibility with older applications |
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| 17:32.16 | Sevet | raptor67782: you could try lsof |
| 17:32.47 | barhom | thewanderer1: I thought of that, but how would I do that best? should I be running ESXi on all to boot 1 vm? |
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| 17:33.33 | thewanderer1 | barhom, no, why? if your servers are reasonably modern, they can boot from the network using PXE and then NFS takes over |
| 17:33.44 | Arabus | Hello. I am currently trying to figure out a bug in the installation of the openldap package of debian squeeze. When Installing the slapd 2.4.23 package via aptitude install slapd I am asked for a RootDN password for the hdb db RootDN that is created during installation. If that password contains spaces the installation process breaks with a half installed package due to an improper call to slappasswd. You can see the output here: http://pastebin.com/PUVJBurE |
| 17:33.45 | Arabus | I can not seem to find where the actual call to slappasswd is though |
| 17:34.59 | cusco | hi |
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| 17:35.36 | barhom | They are super micro on the new ivy bridge, so yes, they do have PXE boot, I just never used it and unsure how to do that. Ill go study for an hour or so, thanks |
| 17:36.26 | thewanderer1 | barhom, btw. a question about the platform if I may - did you have to do any BIOS updates for Ivy Bridge? |
| 17:36.37 | thewanderer1 | (and what mobo is that?) |
| 17:36.37 | barhom | trust me, it was a major pain |
| 17:36.45 | barhom | took me 5 hours on the x9scl+-f |
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| 17:37.00 | barhom | because it just wouldn't boot the damn ms-dos environment on the super micro board |
| 17:37.23 | barhom | in the end the problem was that it needed a clear cmos to detect my USB drive |
| 17:37.46 | thewanderer1 | hmm okay... I might want to hold the purchase back a bit till there's enough updated mobos available, and thanks for the advice |
| 17:37.48 | barhom | You can't burn to CD as it needs write access when its flashing the bios |
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| 17:39.22 | barhom | if you buy the mobo now you need to be sure you have an old 1155 cpu avail |
| 17:39.51 | TomSlominski | It's fine now, thanks :) |
| 17:39.59 | hell_razer | hello, how i can check is ssh connection allive? sometimes when ssh user disconects by inet connection down, his ssh process is alive for very long time |
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| 17:40.25 | thewanderer1 | barhom, noted |
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| 17:41.43 | Arabus | hell_razer assuming you mean ssh sessions on the server you could fiddle with the 'ClientAliveInterval' option in the sshd configuration. You might want to read the man page of ssh_config on timeout intervalls though |
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| 17:42.27 | thewanderer1 | hell_razer, even if it's a long time, it'll die eventually |
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| 17:44.34 | hell_razer | Arabus, thewanderer1: ClientAliveInterval and ClientAliveCountMax is that what for i am looking, becouse i have found an connection that was initialized 2 weeks ago =\ |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | Arabus: do you really want a space in there? Check the ldap command in the postinst .. it's probably not properly quoted |
| 17:45.11 | Arabus | abrotman: that was my first guess |
| 17:45.29 | thewanderer1 | hell_razer, well, was it a dead connection? a TCP connection lasting 2 weeks can be completely legitimate... |
| 17:45.30 | Arabus | Iunpacked the control files of the package and could not find a reference to the slappasswd command though |
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| 17:46.34 | hell_razer | thewanderer1: process with sshd: *** [priv] was initialzed 2 weeks ago, of course no tcp conenction, but process was allive |
| 17:46.57 | Arabus | abrotman: The error occurs somewhere between creating a new ldap user 'openldap' and loading the initial configuration ldif. The configuration ldif has a '@PASSWORD@' where the rootdnPW goes, so I guess it is substituted by some routine beforehand |
| 17:47.00 | tharkun | wonders why not use BFG900 |
| 17:47.05 | nsadmin | Arabus, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 17:47.32 | thewanderer1 | hell_razer, well, how do you know there was no connection? |
| 17:47.34 | nsadmin | pretty sure that lists what's in the data.tar.gz |
| 17:48.55 | Arabus | argh... |
| 17:48.55 | abrotman | nsadmin: control files are not data files |
| 17:49.20 | hell_razer | thewanderer1: there was connection from my user and my current ip (but i am shutdown pc every day) |
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| 17:49.34 | Arabus | nsadmin: abrotman: I forgot to look into the actual debian package -.- I checked on a different workstation and forgot that it runs ubuntu ... let me have a look at the control files |
| 17:49.48 | abrotman | Arabus: look in the postinst for the package in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:49.52 | nsadmin | abrotman, obviously. |
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| 17:50.03 | abrotman | nsso what were you babbling about ? |
| 17:50.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: ^ |
| 17:50.13 | gerben | abrotman, if you're still there. I'm back anyway... I just tried cloning a regularly installed debian using dpkg --get-selections / set-selections. I'm missing all kinds of stuff and I already made a 1GB squashfs image, so I won't debut that further I think. The netbooting succeeded supprisingly |
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| 17:50.34 | abrotman | gerben: so your X works ? |
| 17:50.39 | gerben | nope |
| 17:50.46 | nsadmin | I object to your characterization |
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| 17:50.55 | abrotman | good for you |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | gerben: this is on a third box ? |
| 17:51.27 | gerben | I tried to do anything to get it to work, so I could then take stuff away and wait for it to break. |
| 17:51.34 | gerben | This is on the same ESX |
| 17:51.39 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 17:51.42 | Arabus | nsadmin: abrotman: there it is 'slappasswd -s $1' and as suspected the user input is not properly escaped... |
| 17:51.52 | gerben | I'm working on the same workstation using VPN/thinlinc (remote desktop like) |
| 17:51.56 | thewanderer1 | hell_razer, it is my understanding that ssh will close processes whose associated connections went down, there should be no need to manually maintain them |
| 17:52.00 | nsadmin | Arabus, you're welcome |
| 17:52.01 | abrotman | Arabus: i'd think you want quoting, not exscaping |
| 17:52.27 | abrotman | gerben: can you install vbox on a local box, and see if it works for you that way ? |
| 17:52.32 | Arabus | abrotman: sorry you are right :-) My guess would be it should be: slappasswd -s '$1' |
| 17:52.47 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.50 | gerben | abrotman, I already have a vbox installation of Debian |
| 17:52.51 | raptor67782 | this does not work |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | gerben: which works ? |
| 17:53.07 | gerben | yes, but that one is installed using a cd |
| 17:53.09 | raptor67782 | would you know hwo to know if it busy / used ? lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 17:53.27 | abrotman | gerben: can yyou try it using the same method ? |
| 17:53.31 | gerben | my virtual machine is a ESX machine in this case (and a hardware box at the office) |
| 17:53.31 | Arabus | So where do I file that bug? .-P |
| 17:53.56 | abrotman | Arabus: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 17:54.04 | raptor67782 | haha normal I dont have /dev/dsp ... lsof /dev/dsp will never work. I have only ALSA layer |
| 17:54.06 | Arabus | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:54.07 | abrotman | gerben: it was more as an experiement |
| 17:54.27 | raptor67782 | however how to know that arcord is recording on the hw:1,0 ? |
| 17:54.46 | raptor67782 | (without ps aux) but really using lsof or equivalent? |
| 17:55.08 | gerben | abrotman, The tftp server is in a datacenter and connected to a VLAN in the office I just was. My workstation is in another office, and I'm now at home, and not really into the network stuff we use (all GUI and webinterfaces and stuff). |
| 17:55.19 | gerben | So I don't think I can get a virtualbox attached to that network. |
| 17:55.51 | abrotman | gerben: i just meant locally .. all local sets |
| 17:55.54 | abrotman | setups |
| 17:56.05 | gerben | ah, ok |
| 17:56.10 | gerben | I can arrange that.. |
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| 17:57.58 | Arabus | abrotman: to answer your original question, yes I do want to. Limiting the passwordspace by excluding spaces seems counterintuitive to me. Especially if you train people to use passphrases instead of passwords. Using a long passphrase containing spaces for a RootDN seems all the more necessary to me. |
| 17:58.20 | nsadmin | Arabus, did you use dpkg -L somepkg to find the slappass command? |
| 17:58.29 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:58.51 | Arabus | nsadmin: I just used dpkg-deb -e slapd...deb and then had a look into the postinst script |
| 17:59.07 | abrotman | you'd probably do better to ignore him |
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| 17:59.20 | nsadmin | oh ok, how did you find the command tho? |
| 17:59.26 | Arabus | nsadmin: dpkg -L does not list the necessary files and also it requires the package to be installed |
| 17:59.40 | Arabus | nsadmin: reading the manpages |
| 18:00.24 | nsadmin | yes I understand that; I noticed you wanted to know where the command was, I offered a way and I was just wondering if you had used it |
| 18:00.25 | Arabus | nsadmin: man dpkg suggests you use dpkg-deb to handle package content related things |
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| 18:03.26 | nsadmin | Arabus, right, in that sense dpkg is a wrapper |
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| 18:06.29 | Arabus | hmm using reportbug seems a little tricky on servers with no attached mail service ^^ |
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| 18:07.01 | gerben | abrotman, That even went quicker than expected. I have now moved the image to a local virtualbox server, and booting it from a virtualbox thin-client. Still no keyboard however. |
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| 18:08.52 | gerben | but I have de-complicated everything a lot, and that's always better when solving problems. |
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| 18:13.34 | abrotman | gerben: so you've done another debootstrap, same method as before, but you still have no keyboard |
| 18:13.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:13.55 | gerben | I used an old image I made using multistrap |
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| 18:14.08 | gerben | But that's basically the same. |
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| 18:15.14 | gerben | I just tested attaching and removing the USB keyboard that's physically connected to the machine ( like I said, i'm using thinlinc now ), this show use nicely in the logs. Very strange that it just doesn't work. |
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| 18:15.23 | gerben | Could it be a problem with a display or window manager? |
| 18:15.36 | abrotman | it shows in the logs in teh guest? |
| 18:15.51 | gerben | I use nodm for display manager and matchbox for window manager |
| 18:15.53 | gerben | yes |
| 18:16.24 | abrotman | gerben: i've never used nodm, what if you just try with startx ? |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | are you using gpm ? |
| 18:16.51 | gerben | gpm? you mean gdm? -> no |
| 18:16.59 | abrotman | !tell gerben about gpm |
| 18:17.24 | abrotman | console mouse |
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| 18:17.56 | gerben | abrotman, the mouse is working fine |
| 18:18.00 | gerben | just the keyboard |
| 18:18.08 | gerben | that's the strange thing. |
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| 18:18.22 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I have a problem with my Pulseauido, when lowering the volume I hear a high pitch, any idea how to fix this? |
| 18:18.32 | abrotman | gerben: is the guest emulating as USB or PS/2 |
| 18:18.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:19.02 | abrotman | i feel like, something has to be wrong with your setup .. i could setup a vbox image from netinst right now, and the keyboard and mouse work out of teh box |
| 18:19.20 | abrotman | (both usb devices on my host) |
| 18:19.43 | abrotman | gerben: your'e using the Debian kernel ? |
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| 18:20.10 | gerben | abrotman, yes, and it is emulating a ps/2 mouse |
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| 18:20.28 | abrotman | starts up a vbox instance |
| 18:20.45 | gerben | still looking where I can find the keyboard, it is an AT keyboard (don't know if that means anything) |
| 18:21.05 | abrotman | no way? really?! |
| 18:21.10 | gerben | It is emulating both a ps/2 mouse and a usb tablet |
| 18:21.32 | Ephexeve | *Pulseaudio |
| 18:22.30 | abrotman | gerben: i just started vbox, keyboard/mouse work fine .. seem to be emulated the same way |
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| 18:23.17 | gerben | abrotman, I have a (64 bit) development Debian install in virtualbox too that is working fine with X. |
| 18:23.22 | abrotman | gerben: could you humor me and do an install from the netinst for vbox ? |
| 18:23.29 | abrotman | gerben: so it is your setup ? |
| 18:23.33 | gerben | yes |
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| 18:23.50 | Ephexeve | Anyone? |
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| 18:24.35 | gerben | I make a squashfs image, I copy that to the webroot of a webserver. I altered the initrd image, in that I create a tmpfs ramdisk, download & loopmount the image, then make it RW using AUFS. |
| 18:24.50 | gerben | Maybe in this process something goes wrong, something with /dev or something. |
| 18:25.23 | abrotman | udev aggregates a few input devices IIRC |
| 18:25.25 | Arabus | abrotman: apparently there is already a bug about my problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631462 |
| 18:26.00 | kevlarman | abrotman: doesn't the debian installer install the vbox guest additions on its own when it detects vbox these days? |
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| 18:26.31 | Sander^home | How do I figure out if I have ubuntu server or debian?.. I think /etc/debian_version is the same on both. |
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| 18:26.48 | jordanm | Sander^home: lsb_release -a |
| 18:26.54 | gerben | Sander^home, /etc/issue? (not tried..) |
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| 18:27.20 | Sander^home | Ah, it says debian |
| 18:27.34 | gerben | or /etc/apt/sources.list should give some clues too |
| 18:27.53 | Sander^home | Yeah. Should have figured that out myself. |
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| 18:29.21 | abrotman | kevlarman: he's not using the netinst in hte traditional way |
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| 18:34.14 | DammitJim | how does one create a php application package? |
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| 18:35.16 | abrotman | DammitJim: google "Debian PHP policy", should give you PHP specifics, otherwise, use the new maintainer guide |
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| 18:35.44 | korkman | right-click > open on an url in konsole downloads the url and opens the downloaded file in my browser. does anyone have a clue why? |
| 18:36.01 | abrotman | DammitJim: that Policy is only a draft .. things may change in the future |
| 18:36.31 | abrotman | DammitJim: you'll notice it's fairly old |
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| 18:36.51 | korkman | is using wheezy packages, kde 4.8 |
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| 18:38.13 | hell_razer | how i can obtain parent pid with ps ? |
| 18:38.35 | abrotman | ps -ef |
| 18:38.45 | abrotman | it's the PPID column |
| 18:39.14 | hell_razer | thnx |
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| 18:40.08 | DammitJim | that's fine as long as i can get something running |
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| 18:40.19 | DammitJim | sounds non triviasl though |
| 18:41.17 | abrotman | depends if you want it in Debian or just for local use |
| 18:41.33 | DammitJim | local use |
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| 18:42.00 | abrotman | your call |
| 18:42.04 | abrotman | /win 1 |
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| 18:42.10 | DammitJim | it's just for package testing cause it will eventually have to be put in another embeddded system |
| 18:42.32 | DammitJim | 007f? |
| 18:42.53 | korkman | DammitJim: the most trivial thing i one came up for internal use with was "dpkg-deb --build" with a minimal DEBIAN/control files |
| 18:43.15 | DammitJim | oh |
| 18:43.29 | Guest79206 | hello everyone. I have a question about the best way to solve the lack of a specific scsi driver in an old kernel on a distro iso: remaster the iso with an updated kernel including the driver, or is there a shorter way that doesn't involve creating a whole new iso? |
| 18:43.38 | DammitJim | i have sooo much to learn... i thought it all got done with make |
| 18:44.11 | korkman | DammitJim: actually, with PHP files, no make involved :-) |
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| 18:45.44 | Alaunus | (Asked this one the other day -- still having issues) When I go to shutdown my Wheezy laptop, I literally only see this (http://pastebin.com/QTMcpjBN) before the system completely locks up, forcing a hard reset. Any troubleshooting ideas? |
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| 18:47.10 | Guest79206 | I should elaborate on my original question: I have the hpsa.ko driver for an HP SmartArray. I need to get it into Alienvault's OSSIM iso, which is based on Lenny. |
| 18:47.21 | Guest79206 | I can use my new driver in the installer, so that it sees the disks |
| 18:47.35 | Guest79206 | but once the installed system boots, the kernels installed lack the driver, so no boot. |
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| 18:50.06 | korkman | Guest79206: maybe pxe or nfs boot is for you? that way you can easily run a modified system (maybe installed in a chroot via debootstrap on an nfs server) |
| 18:50.38 | korkman | Guest79206: and you get to keep the iops of the disks for application only |
| 18:50.41 | cusco | is there any tool that can identify a syntax for me? |
| 18:50.44 | Guest79206 | korkman: point me to a howto doc? |
| 18:50.49 | cusco | it looks like json but seems its not json... |
| 18:51.16 | Guest79206 | I'm frustrated, because this vendor shouldn't be shipping anything based on Lenny in the first place. |
| 18:51.22 | thewanderer1 | cusco, paste it, and use the hivemind present here to answer that question? :P |
| 18:51.52 | cusco | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/177438/ |
| 18:52.07 | korkman | Guest79206: english only? |
| 18:52.35 | Guest79206 | yes, but I could use google translate if needed |
| 18:52.41 | cusco | It looks like json, but its not json |
| 18:52.45 | cusco | I dunno what it is !! |
| 18:52.49 | cusco | I'm trying to identify it |
| 18:52.59 | thewanderer1 | cusco, sec, I'm testing my guess |
| 18:53.17 | korkman | Guest79206: this one looks nice http://www.jukie.net/bart/blog/nfsroot-on-debian |
| 18:53.57 | korkman | Guest79206: note that you can replace the kernel & initrd with the one from the iso if necessary |
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| 18:54.39 | cusco | thewanderer1: it was a one liner, but tried to validate in http://jsonlint.com/ and returned in best readable format |
| 18:54.41 | Guest79206 | thanks. I'm trying to go the route that allows me to run the vendor's product with as little modification as possible. Ideally I'd like to just be able to tell the debian-installer "put this module into the kernel you're about to install", but that does not seem to be an option without recompiling the kernel and integrating the driver, then remastering the iso. |
| 18:54.49 | bitHipy | i installed libsqlite3-tcl, but I did not get a tclsqlite3.so file. the /usr/share/doc/libsqlite3-tcl/README file says to untar and compile -- is that correct? |
| 18:55.05 | sney | Guest79206: also, if the installer has the hpsa driver, you could chroot into the installed system and copy it there/update the kernel that way |
| 18:55.25 | bitHipy | i've never had to compile a package on debian that came from the repository |
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| 18:55.34 | Guest79206 | alright, I load the hpsa.ko via insmod during the install process |
| 18:55.54 | Guest79206 | so I just need to figure out how to chroot into what it installs before it reboots into the installed system, right? |
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| 18:56.18 | sney | the 'rescue' mode the installer offers should suffice |
| 18:56.38 | korkman | Guest79206: the installed system is mounted you can switch to another console right before reboot. |
| 18:56.55 | Guest79206 | ahhh, I didn't think of that. this is exactly the sort of advice I needed. |
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| 18:57.06 | thewanderer1 | cusco, is this the original input, or after some modifications? if so, can I have the original? |
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| 18:57.24 | cusco | thewanderer1: it seems that is php data dummy |
| 18:57.39 | thewanderer1 | cusco, it looks like the output of PHP's serialize() |
| 18:57.41 | Guest79206 | what's the command syntax to chroot into the installed system from the installer? |
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| 18:57.49 | sney | bitHipy: that doesn't sound right |
| 18:57.58 | DammitJim | what is a good ftp client app? |
| 18:58.07 | thewanderer1 | cusco, however, I could not verify this 100% without removing all the additional spacing and indentation |
| 18:58.10 | DammitJim | I need to download a bunch of files in subdirectories |
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| 18:58.30 | sney | DammitJim: I think gftp is pretty popular if you want a gui. |
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| 18:58.54 | DammitJim | doesn't have to be gui |
| 18:59.12 | nknik | hello I just installed Debian Squeeze and I have this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6582510 |
| 18:59.13 | korkman | Guest79206: mount -o bind /proc /mounted/proc; mount -o bind /dev /mounted/dev; chroot /mounted |
| 18:59.14 | bitHipy | sney: indeed, but how would I find the .so file? I tried â— â—¡â— â—¡â— â—¡â— â—¡â— â—¡â— â—¡â— â—¬ "objdump --syms tclsqlite3.so" |
| 18:59.31 | bitHipy | and it found nothing |
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| 18:59.40 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim, using FUSE to mount an FTP directory seems to be a popular choice - then you get to use whatever file manager you want |
| 18:59.41 | korkman | Guest79206: that should suffice. if shell is bad, add /bin/bash to chroot |
| 18:59.52 | DammitJim | even the command line? |
| 18:59.53 | tortilla | ncftp is good, use mget |
| 18:59.57 | DammitJim | you can do like cp -R ? |
| 19:00.13 | nknik | I also have software raid1 and 3 partitions: one for root one for swap and one for boot |
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| 19:00.22 | Ephexeve | Anyone?! |
| 19:00.35 | Werring | Does anyone knows a good (free) solution for MS exchange on debian? |
| 19:00.37 | tortilla | ncftp supportd mget -R |
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| 19:00.44 | tortilla | *supports |
| 19:00.48 | cusco | thewanderer1: right, im trying it using mysqli to select it as it is.... |
| 19:00.56 | DammitJim | thanks tortilla |
| 19:01.01 | tortilla | sure |
| 19:01.01 | DammitJim | I got gftp |
| 19:01.03 | dFence | hey guys! How can I retrieve the system-architecture from a C-app? |
| 19:01.05 | DammitJim | since I've used it before |
| 19:01.07 | Guest79206 | korkman: thank you, that should be enough to get me started. if I get stuck I'll come back to ask more questions. |
| 19:01.09 | DammitJim | but ncftp sounds fun |
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| 19:01.26 | sney | dFence: if I understand the question, run 'file /path/to/binary' |
| 19:01.31 | sney | e.g. 'file /bin/bash' |
| 19:01.56 | dFence | sney: basically I'm looking for the the C-equivalent of "uname -m" |
| 19:02.25 | dFence | sney: sorry - not the architecture a program was compiled _for_, but the arch it's actually working on |
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| 19:02.42 | sney | dFence: ah. sorry, don'tk now |
| 19:03.08 | nknik | any suggestions ? |
| 19:03.11 | abrotman | there is a ##c |
| 19:03.17 | gerben | Werring, do you want a groupware client or server? |
| 19:03.18 | sney | bitHipy: /usr/lib/tcltk/sqlite3/libtclsqlite3.so ? |
| 19:03.28 | Werring | server |
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| 19:04.00 | dFence | abrotman: thx |
| 19:04.09 | bitHipy | sney: I didn't get that file |
| 19:04.13 | gerben | I use Zimbra, the commercial version, but it's a got a slightly limited OSS edition. And there is also Zarafa. And OpenExchange (don't know that one very well). |
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| 19:04.40 | bitHipy | sney: i also installed the curl/tcl binding, and it appears in the same tree you mention (/usr/lib/tcltk/), but no sqlite3 |
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| 19:05.21 | sney | bitHipy: delete the relevant .deb from /var/cache/apt/archive and do 'aptitude reinstall libsqlite3-tcl' |
| 19:05.56 | gerben | I like Zimbra over Zarafa because under the hood the re-use as much OSS packages as they can. OpenLdap and regular MTA's (forgot which). Zarafa has reinvented the wheel on anything and I am afraid that if something goes wrong, I totally have to rely on their relatively (compared to regular OSS) small userbase to fix it. |
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| 19:06.19 | nknik | anyone ? |
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| 19:06.48 | sney | nknik: sorry, I don't feel like reading an entire forum thread. what's the issue? |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | gerben: does Zimbra still package up a pile of their own things instead of using the ones the OS has ? |
| 19:07.05 | gerben | abrotman, yes :) |
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| 19:07.21 | Werring | Hmm, will try Zimbra then, |
| 19:07.22 | Wooga | hi, can someone help me with debian-like kernel config? what could be possible reason of keyboard not working in initrd (from better-initramfs projet) rescue shell? |
| 19:07.25 | nknik | @sney when I boot after a clean install I have this sing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev) |
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| 19:07.34 | nknik | missing |
| 19:07.38 | nknik | modules |
| 19:07.43 | Werring | already tried OpenExchange, but didn't work very well.. |
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| 19:07.46 | Wooga | something must be compiled as module, bit what could it be? |
| 19:07.59 | bitHipy | sney: I just tried that, and same result |
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| 19:08.27 | sney | nknik: what debian version? |
| 19:08.36 | abrotman | gerben: grrr |
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| 19:08.58 | nknik | mm squeeze one minute to conform |
| 19:09.10 | gerben | Werring, read their system requirements and use a recommended distribution/version and follow the guides step by step. |
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| 19:09.36 | davidgul | hello i have an edimax ew7612uan wifi usb card and i download the driver from edimax website and when i run make this is what i got http://pastebin.com/Q8GVAGGW |
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| 19:10.43 | sney | !rtl8192su |
| 19:10.43 | dpkg | r8192s_usb is a Linux kernel module produced by the rtl8192su staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191SU and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. Enabled as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Driver removed at Linux 2.6.37, ask me about <r8712u> for its replacement. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 19:11.00 | sney | davidgul: see ^ you do not need to compile a driver, you just need firmware-realtek |
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| 19:11.17 | nknik | @sney Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 (squeeze) |
| 19:11.30 | davidgul | sney : how i get it ? |
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| 19:11.47 | abrotman | nknik: try "sney:" instead of using the @ sign |
| 19:12.06 | nknik | abrotman thanks |
| 19:12.06 | sney | davidgul: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Installation |
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| 19:13.16 | abrotman | almost ... :) |
| 19:13.29 | sney | nknik: any unusual hardware, or were there any errors during the install? |
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| 19:13.53 | nknik | I configured software raid 1 |
| 19:13.53 | gerben | abrotman, yes! Finally, keyboard working. I replaced nodm by gdm, and removed a X session script I was unsure about. |
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| 19:14.15 | nknik | sne also nothing except the software raid 1 |
| 19:14.25 | abrotman | gerben: i blame your setup! |
| 19:14.26 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:14.28 | sney | hmm |
| 19:14.35 | gerben | I expect the nodm was the problem, can't imagine a session script to break the keyboard |
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| 19:15.12 | kesroesweyth | I have a FreeRADIUS server that is still running Lenny and I want to upgrade it to Squeeze. I see tons of guides online on how to upgrade, but I want one I can trust. |
| 19:15.24 | kesroesweyth | I'm not a complete linux noob, but no pro either. Any good guides that you guys use? |
| 19:15.32 | sney | !tell kesroesweyth about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:15.39 | kesroesweyth | Thanks sney |
| 19:15.42 | sney | np |
| 19:15.46 | sney | don't skip any steps |
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| 19:16.18 | sney | nknik: are you able to chroot into your system from the installer's rescue mode? |
| 19:16.25 | abrotman | kesroesweyth: read teh release notes |
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| 19:16.31 | nknik | not from rescue mode |
| 19:16.37 | n-iCe | hello, any idea whts going on with the debian download servers? |
| 19:16.39 | abrotman | kesroesweyth: and make a backup, and test that backup!/win 1 |
| 19:16.40 | sney | or from anything |
| 19:16.46 | nknik | but I chrooted from usb live |
| 19:16.52 | n-iCe | speed of downloading is not more the 20kbs |
| 19:16.57 | n-iCe | than |
| 19:17.05 | sney | so you've verified that your arrays are ok? hmm |
| 19:17.06 | davidgul | sney : this is the error i gut http://pastebin.com/xb9wBXNa |
| 19:17.10 | nknik | sney but I chrooted from usb live whic I did the installation |
| 19:17.10 | kesroesweyth | abrotman I'm going to make an image of the system and test on that first. It's a xenserver virtual machine, so that'll take only a moment to do. |
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| 19:17.43 | sney | davidgul: uh... run apt-get clean, then try again |
| 19:18.01 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 19:18.22 | sney | davidgul: oh wait, this is a backtrack system? #debian only supports Debian |
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| 19:18.30 | sney | davidgul: please go to #backtrack-linux for support |
| 19:18.46 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe, *which* download servers? |
| 19:18.51 | sney | n-iCe: try a different mirror |
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| 19:19.18 | thewanderer1 | try using cdn.debian.net for optimum bandwidth - and if you mean security mirrors, that's normal... |
| 19:19.19 | n-iCe | thewanderer1: netinstall testign and stable cd1 downloads links |
| 19:19.27 | n-iCe | sney: there is only one per cd1 does not it_ |
| 19:19.29 | n-iCe | ? |
| 19:19.45 | sney | no, there are multiple cdimage mirrors as well |
| 19:19.54 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe, hm, the download links lead to load-balanced mirrors AFAIK, try another download |
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| 19:20.18 | sney | bittorrent also works well for the isos |
| 19:20.18 | n-iCe | thewanderer1: tried 3 !! |
| 19:20.27 | n-iCe | netinstall stable and testing |
| 19:20.31 | sney | they are well seeded |
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| 19:21.11 | n-iCe | ok I am using torrents now |
| 19:21.12 | n-iCe | works well |
| 19:21.16 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 19:21.20 | davidgul | sney : its dont going to work on back track ? |
| 19:21.42 | sney | davidgul: probably not. backtrack is not debian. Please go to the backtrack channel for support. |
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| 19:24.18 | n-iCe | is there testing release torrent download link? |
| 19:24.22 | n-iCe | cant find for testing |
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| 19:24.42 | ZitZ | it's there i'm sure, they can be tough to find at times |
| 19:24.49 | sney | the testing installer is still a little funny, it's better to install squeeze minimal and then upgrade |
| 19:24.50 | abrotman | n-iCe: use the netinst |
| 19:25.24 | n-iCe | abrotman: tried to slow |
| 19:25.24 | n-iCe | 30 kb per scs |
| 19:25.25 | n-iCe | seconds |
| 19:25.37 | n-iCe | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ there is only for stable |
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| 19:27.17 | ZitZ | hmmm, maybe they aren't there, lol |
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| 19:28.34 | ompaul | n-iCe: I'll tell you a place you will be fast to get to from anywhere unless you are on a crappy server http://debian.heanet.ie/ multi gigabyte links with zero contention - if you have a real link it will be ast |
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| 19:29.05 | ompaul | n-iCe: remember the problem time is setup for download after that your pipe should be as full as you allow it have |
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| 19:30.38 | rock | hello, i just downloaded debian, and before I'll isntall it I have a question: is this OS secure after the install, or do I need to configure it to be secure? |
| 19:30.49 | rock | install* |
| 19:30.58 | krisfremen | no OS is secure.. |
| 19:31.24 | rock | I heard that OpenBSD is secure right after installing it |
| 19:32.01 | rock | so they are just talkin BS, when they say "safe from default"? |
| 19:32.10 | ZitZ | secure in what sense? all ports are open by default until you configure iptables |
| 19:32.37 | rock | well secure enough that hackers won't easily break into my comp |
| 19:32.39 | ZitZ | in debian, i can't speak for OpenBSD but i'd imagine they are the same |
| 19:33.14 | thewanderer1 | rock, no, it's not like Windows XP - you can connect it to the Internet and be reasonably sure that there's nobody logged on but you... |
| 19:33.26 | ZitZ | well, secure relative to what |
| 19:34.01 | rock | that's good, thx for the answer :) |
| 19:34.02 | ZitZ | thewanderer1 is right, compared to WinXP it is much more secure because it implements real group policy |
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| 19:35.08 | cobra-the-joker | Wychodzi ... he cursed us ! |
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| 19:35.16 | peterrooney | rock: if you're really worried, you can install harden and harden-doc. harden-doc has an excellent section on securing a debian system. |
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| 19:39.41 | craigevil | or be really paranoid and use Bastille or Selinux |
| 19:39.59 | cobra-the-joker | SELinux :S :S :S |
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| 19:48.23 | cobra-the-joker | Can i make dpkg grab the dependencies for me ? |
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| 19:49.39 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker, no. |
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| 19:51.00 | craigevil | no but gdebi or qapt can |
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| 19:51.40 | gotmynick | on a sane system, always you can do dpkg -i pkgname.deb; apt-get -f install |
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| 19:51.59 | gotmynick | and the second command will fetch the depends of pkgname.deb |
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| 19:53.36 | cobra-the-joker | craigevil: qapt for KDE ? |
| 19:53.41 | craigevil | yes |
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| 19:53.52 | craigevil | qapt-deb-installer |
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| 19:55.00 | cobra-the-joker | craigevil: aptitude search qapt... returns null ! |
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| 19:55.21 | craigevil | ,versions qapt-deb-installer |
| 19:55.22 | judd | Package: qapt-deb-installer on i386 -- sid: 1.3.0-2; wheezy: 1.3.0-2 |
| 19:57.51 | sheinze | why would 'cp' make my system run out of memory and kill half the processes? (the file to copy is 180gb, sparse, real use ~4gb, xfs, wheezy) |
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| 19:58.27 | cobra-the-joker | you want to copy 180gb file :D .. wow |
| 19:58.43 | thewanderer1 | sheinze, it picked a wrong block size? try using dd... |
| 19:58.59 | sheinze | it's a disk image. and it's actually only using 4gb |
| 19:59.22 | sheinze | thewanderer1: I don't know if I have the wrong block size. how can I tell? |
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| 19:59.37 | thewanderer1 | sheinze, cp is supposed to be automagic about it... that's the problem |
| 19:59.59 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure how cp is engineered internally, but it may be that it buffers in RAM what it doesn't manage to write and waits... |
| 20:00.33 | thewanderer1 | reading a 4GB file which "decompresses" into 180GB almost instantly would yield a very quickly filling buffer, if my above assumption is correct |
| 20:00.56 | thewanderer1 | but if you want to know the real reason, there's nothing besides the source code that can answer it for sure |
| 20:01.14 | sheinze | it doesn't make a difference if I specify --sparse=always or not.so I'd expect it has to only write 4gb |
| 20:01.55 | gerben | abrotman, found the issue :) The xinitrc starts a homebrew thin-client application (freerdp frontend). I handle some keyboard inputs in that. Must have made an error there. |
| 20:02.16 | gerben | Spent at least 4 workdays to find this, DOH. |
| 20:02.35 | gerben | I now let it start xterm -> no issues |
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| 20:03.24 | thewanderer1 | sheinze, it doesn't prevent the data in the memory buffers from popping to 180GB - this is my bet |
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| 20:04.48 | sheinze | thewanderer1: at least it behaves like that. I'm not at the box right now, I'll try dd/dd_rescue when I'm back later. thanks for your help! |
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| 20:06.08 | gerben | Now rebuilding with the key-handling commented for final proof. The functionality now missing is F5 for refresh :) |
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| 20:07.24 | obiwahn | apt-get sex |
| 20:07.47 | abrotman | gerben: that stinks |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | gerben: but hey .. you've got another 10 hours to sleep? :) |
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| 20:14.26 | mazzulone | !lista |
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| 20:20.58 | pkkm | Should I install recommended packages when doing "aptitude upgrade" on a Debian 6 server? |
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| 20:31.28 | rudi_s | No. |
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| 20:34.09 | thewanderer1 | with Wheezy release, apparently, there is no more OpenVZ. is there going to be any easy migration method, or specific support for it, or is it generally considered obsolete and worth finding a way out as quickly as possible? |
| 20:34.32 | chomwitt_ | in squeeze i see in aptitude tha x11-xserver-utilities that it conflics 'xset' , 'xrgb' etc.. which are not packages! |
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| 20:34.41 | korkman | LXC is supposed to be the migration path for both openvz and linux-vserver |
| 20:35.02 | H4x012 | too hard to install pdo mysql since its moved |
| 20:36.01 | thewanderer1 | korkman, supposed, yes - but it'll probably take another 5 years to obtain that feature level |
| 20:36.06 | thewanderer1 | and in the meantime... what? |
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| 20:37.02 | Maccer | Some guy borked his ia32-libs installation, how do we properly purge the libraries and what not? |
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| 20:37.39 | korkman | thewanderer1: i don't think LXC is too short of features, but security. there's a nice sum up here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LXC |
| 20:37.44 | tremon | Maccer: reinstall, then purge I think |
| 20:37.47 | cardamon | rages |
| 20:37.58 | thewanderer1 | korkman, well, the point is, LXC is unsuitable for providing VPS services |
| 20:38.07 | tremon | cardamon: you'll grow out of it |
| 20:38.19 | cardamon | Not really, tremon. |
| 20:38.24 | tremon | ;) |
| 20:38.51 | cardamon | You see, I HAD told xdg to use okular to open pdfs. But for some reason I can't fffing figure, it's back to Gimp. |
| 20:39.39 | korkman | thewanderer1: there are management suites already supporting LXC including openstack http://openstack.org/software/openstack-compute/ |
| 20:40.02 | thewanderer1 | korkman, yes, and they don't make it any more secure... |
| 20:40.23 | stummi | cardamon, common, everybody knows that gimp is the best viewer for pdf files! ;) |
| 20:40.33 | korkman | thewanderer1: nope. but feature-wise, i don't think there's any shortcomings. |
| 20:40.45 | chomwitt_ | can a deb package conflict sth that is not a package but possible a program name? |
| 20:40.59 | thewanderer1 | korkman, in this case, security *is* a feature, since the whole point is strong separation :P |
| 20:41.16 | thewanderer1 | so, well, it seems my OpenVZ setup is doomed |
| 20:41.45 | korkman | any my linux-vserver setup as well :-) i'm personally migrating to KVM instances |
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| 20:43.02 | thewanderer1 | hopefully, Intel's CPUs don't have many bugs left |
| 20:43.11 | korkman | thewanderer1: "If you are designing a virtualisation solution for the long term and want a timeframe, then with appropriate disclaimers, judging from various comments and experience, an extremely rough timeframe might be 'circa end of 2012'. But no guarantees." |
| 20:43.28 | thewanderer1 | korkman, yeah, I got that. it used to be "the end of 2011" last year :P |
| 20:43.51 | thewanderer1 | I'm subscribed to the LXC mailing list, it's a mess, really... |
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| 20:45.28 | cardamon | Okay, ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list and /usr/share/applications/defaults.list both have application/pdf=/usr/share/applications/kde4/okular.desktop in them. But /usr/sahre/applications/mimeinfo.cache has application/pdf=kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop;gimp.desktop;gimp.desktop; |
| 20:46.30 | cardamon | I've removed that ^gimp.desktop;gimp.desktop; portion before, but it returns on a reboot. |
| 20:46.33 | Maccer | We have a lot of packages like liblua5.1 and libcurl that are not in ia32-libs, is it good practice to get the i386 version of these libs, extract them, and stick them into /lib32 .. etc ? |
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| 20:47.01 | korkman | cardamon: your personal defaults file should override anyways |
| 20:47.11 | cardamon | korkman: Well it doesn't. |
| 20:48.17 | korkman | cardamon: checklist. does your defaults.list start with "[Default Applications]" ? |
| 20:48.19 | korkman | " |
| 20:48.37 | cardamon | user and systemwide. Check. |
| 20:48.40 | korkman | cardamon: is it marked executable? (i have no idea why mine is) |
| 20:48.44 | thewanderer1 | cardamon, well, what does .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list contain? it could collide. |
| 20:49.29 | cardamon | thewanderer1: identical to .local/share/applications/defaults.list |
| 20:49.30 | korkman | looks at mimeapps.list and sees an additional section "[Default Applications]" " |
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| 20:49.49 | thewanderer1 | strange, it's different for me :P |
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| 20:50.21 | cardamon | korkman: mine aren't executable...they shouldn't need to be AFAIK |
| 20:50.58 | slg | hello there, i am using a minimal debian installation with xfce4 and have following problem i can connect to sftp using thunar also create files and delete but i can get any text editor to open files on the remote system, its like they dont find the path |
| 20:51.19 | korkman | cardamon: i think that's some legacy behaviour of alacarte which marked many of my .desktop files executable. it shouldn't be required. |
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| 20:51.47 | cardamon | korkman: Not sure what alacarte is. I don't have any Desktop Environment. |
| 20:52.01 | tharkun | slg: have you tried to run one editor from the terminal to look for runtime notifications? |
| 20:52.29 | korkman | cardamon: alacarte is / was the gnome menu editor. |
| 20:53.12 | korkman | cardamon: i also notice a mimeinfo.cache file. maybe delete that? |
| 20:53.18 | slg | someone please help |
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| 20:53.46 | peggys_mouse | hi all, i just updated my deb server to squeeze and mostly everything is fine but grub states "fd0 read error". I see solutions on the web which all look complex. there is no floppy on the machine so shouldn't there be an easy way to tell grub not to check for it? |
| 20:53.54 | cardamon | korkman: Where? I just told you about it, and how it was the offender. |
| 20:53.59 | thewanderer1 | slg, if you are accessing files on a remote system, your programs use an abstraction layer that allows this. thus, all programs need to be using this particular abstraction layer. this is the case with, for example, GNOME, but doesn't have to be with loosely-knit DEs such as XFCE |
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| 20:54.04 | korkman | peggys_mouse: disable floppy in bios |
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| 20:54.10 | thewanderer1 | slg, download the file, edit it locally, and then upload |
| 20:54.19 | cardamon | korkman: It keeps rewritting gimp.desktop entries into mimeinfo.cache. |
| 20:54.23 | peggys_mouse | korkman: of course. thanks. |
| 20:54.28 | cardamon | Whatever 'it' is. |
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| 20:55.56 | cardamon | I think it happens every time update-desktop-database is called. |
| 20:56.24 | korkman | cardamon: the gimp entries are the the end, though - it should not open by default? |
| 20:56.43 | cardamon | korkman: I know. That's the stupidest part as well. |
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| 20:57.15 | cardamon | But xdg-open will default to gimp for pdf if it's in the mimeinfo.cache AT ALL. |
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| 20:58.58 | korkman | cardamon: actually i have a long line "application/pdf=GNU Image Manipulation Program.desktop" as the only application/pdf handler in my cache |
| 20:59.10 | korkman | cardamon: and xdg-open opens okular :-) |
| 21:00.00 | cardamon | rrragh, cardamon smash |
| 21:00.49 | korkman | cardamon: hunt that gimp.desktop file |
| 21:01.02 | cardamon | does it actually refer to a file? |
| 21:01.07 | korkman | cardamon: yes |
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| 21:01.10 | peggys_mouse | korkman: thanks again. that worked. |
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| 21:01.39 | cardamon | Found it. |
| 21:01.55 | korkman | destroy it. |
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| 21:02.22 | cardamon | That seems like a bad idea. |
| 21:02.46 | korkman | okay move it *.not-desktop |
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| 21:02.52 | cardamon | also, rather useless,since it will likely be overwritten at some point |
| 21:03.07 | korkman | (just for debugging) |
| 21:03.23 | korkman | is it really named gimp.desktop? |
| 21:03.32 | cardamon | Yes. |
| 21:04.20 | korkman | cardamon: ah, mine is as well. must be some other file creating that long entry in my file. |
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| 21:05.04 | korkman | cardamon: got it, i have one in my .local/.../applications |
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| 21:05.18 | korkman | man these .desktop files are viral |
| 21:05.43 | korkman | and they seem to multiply |
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| 21:06.14 | korkman | cardamon: other idea: create a fresh user profile look what xdg-open does there |
| 21:06.19 | cardamon | mine are contained to /usr/share/applications/ |
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| 21:06.50 | cardamon | korkman: didn't do that. just ran update-desktop-database then xdg-open A.pdf |
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| 21:07.29 | cardamon | Worked...HOWEVER...now gimp is out of thunar as easy selection for images. I have to open them manually. |
| 21:07.46 | cardamon | I'm going to see if tweaking the gimp.desktop mimetypes will work. |
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| 21:09.11 | korkman | cardamon: i just noticed i have a section "[Removed Associations]" in my defaults file |
| 21:09.32 | korkman | that might come in handy. syntax is the same as with the other sections |
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| 21:11.53 | cardamon | Is there an easier way to do operations like mv <path>/<to>/file.1 <same>/<path>/file.2 short of stepping into that directory? |
| 21:12.46 | engla | cardamon: there's mv path/file.{1,2} |
| 21:12.47 | korkman | you can use relative paths. like cd into 1st directory, then mv file.1 ../../otherdir/file.2 |
| 21:12.57 | jordanm | cardamon: mv /path/to/file{1,2} |
| 21:13.26 | cardamon | korkman: Not what I meant. Others got it. |
| 21:13.31 | korkman | i see |
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| 21:13.44 | cardamon | Arg, now it's back to doing it again. |
| 21:14.32 | korkman | i got a related problem with http urls |
| 21:14.54 | korkman | xdg-open "http://website" will download the file, then open the downloaded file in browser |
| 21:15.15 | cardamon | I give up. |
| 21:15.28 | nsadmin | korkman, try this: echo mv path/file.{1,2} |
| 21:15.37 | tremon | korkman: that's genious in its own way |
| 21:16.02 | engla | korkman: it's a shell script, trace it |
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| 21:16.54 | craigevil | edit ~/.local/share/applications/default.list or mimeapps.list easier than messing with xdg |
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| 21:17.45 | craigevil | i am on kde, the only thing i have in default.list is text/html=Firefox.desktop |
| 21:17.56 | cardamon | craigevil: my problem is it's not listening to it...and a lot of apps, thunar and calibre included, use xdg-open |
| 21:18.28 | craigevil | right, the firefox.desktop has xdg-open at the top of the file |
| 21:18.31 | korkman | renames .local/share/applications |
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| 21:19.57 | korkman | now it opens konqueror. progress. |
| 21:20.00 | cardamon | Everytime update-desktop-database gets run, it tacks a gimp.desktop; onto the end of the pdf line in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache. From here, despite okular already being the first entry, xdg-open defaults to gimp on pdfs. |
| 21:20.26 | H4x012 | gusy is the kloxo for debian? |
| 21:20.30 | H4x012 | there* |
| 21:21.14 | korkman | cardamon: do you have .desktop files in your Desktop directory? |
| 21:21.25 | korkman | they count as well |
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| 21:22.13 | craigevil | application/pdf=gv.desktop;gimp.desktop;gimp.desktop;kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop;AdobeReader.desktop; |
| 21:22.48 | cardamon | korkman: I don't think the [Removed Associations] block does anything...in fact, I don't think it looks at the label at all. So if you put something in it like there...it's going to apply [Default Applications] block above it first, then whatever you put in [Removed Assocations] |
| 21:22.51 | craigevil | that's what mine looks like in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache but okular opens pdfs which is what i want |
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| 21:23.31 | cardamon | korkman: no, all mine are contained to /usr/share/applications/ |
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| 21:24.09 | engla | korkman: they shouldn't count for associations |
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| 21:24.41 | engla | cardamon: it should be fine to set your default application once (in thunar or other apps that allow setting it using the glib/xdg system) |
| 21:25.06 | cardamon | craigevil: mine looks like application/pdf=kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop; when it's behaving and application/pdf=kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop;gimp.desktop; when it's not. |
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| 21:26.38 | engla | cardamon: ok I don't know about xdg-settings |
| 21:26.42 | cardamon | engla: It's empty except for the line application/pdf=/usr/share/applications/kde4/okular.desktop which I added. |
| 21:26.47 | zmitya | hi all |
| 21:26.53 | engla | cardamon: but for me the glib/xdg system is consistent across all its users at least |
| 21:27.06 | cardamon | How nice for your users. |
| 21:27.20 | engla | sure is |
| 21:27.25 | Guest2164 | hi, i need open source stuff to monitor, visuealise bgp issues, states, tables, etc, etc |
| 21:27.28 | Guest2164 | something like cacti, collectd, etc, etc |
| 21:27.29 | mixxer | last distr pass as lfs host system ? give me pls result of script from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/7.1/prologue/hostreqs.html |
| 21:27.39 | zmitya | I know that wheezy is not (yet) the stable, but I realized that the mysql server from thge mysql-server-5.5 package takes the whole CPU somehow |
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| 21:27.59 | thewanderer1 | zmitya, /j #mysql. read the topic. |
| 21:28.00 | thewanderer1 | !next |
| 21:28.00 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 21:28.23 | karlpinc | Guest2164: I've used pmacct to feed cacti (with a script). YMMV. Use <debtags> to search. |
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| 21:28.42 | engla | cardamon: added in the section [Default Applications] ? |
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| 21:29.22 | cardamon | SOMETHING is making update-desktop-database tack a gimp.desktop; entry onto the application/pdf= line of my /usr/share/applications/mimecache.info contrary |
| 21:29.25 | zmitya | thewanderer1: do you think thats a mysql issue ? |
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| 21:30.03 | cardamon | engla: Yes. |
| 21:30.17 | thewanderer1 | zmitya, it is a result of a kernel bug that was encountered between Saturday and Sunday this weekend, and the fix is described in the topic of #mysql. |
| 21:30.46 | zmitya | thewanderer1: oh, sorry.. thanks |
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| 21:31.03 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I just looked. But didn't see it there. FYI. (I try to stay away from mysql.) |
| 21:31.25 | cardamon | From there, despite kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop coming first, xdg defaults to gimp. |
| 21:31.51 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc, for clarity: MySQL help channel || 100% CPU? fix: date -s "`date`" (http://goo.gl/abpJX) || 5.5.24:GA (5.5.25 recalled!) | 5.1.63 || We don't give answers, we help you find solutions || We don't * phpMyAdmin -> #phpmyadmin || You are not entitled to free support, we are volunteers || Policies: http://goo.gl/VuZt9 |
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| 21:32.07 | zmitya | karlpinc: its there: http://goo.gl/abpJX |
| 21:32.13 | zmitya | thanks anyway |
| 21:32.19 | Jayrays | is wheezy's default desktop gnome3? |
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| 21:33.37 | korkman | Jayrays: didn't try the installer lately, but anything else would surprise me |
| 21:33.41 | engla | cardamon: try using just the basename for okular.desktop? |
| 21:33.52 | cardamon | same difference |
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| 21:35.11 | tremon | is there a file that I can tail to follow the progress of a debootstrap? |
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| 21:36.03 | tremon | oh nm, debootstrap/debootstrap.log might do it |
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| 21:36.31 | slg | thewanderer1, thank you for your answer sorry was afk, strange i had xubuntu running before and there it worked with no problems.. there is no walkaround for this issue its also allowed to be a dirty one? |
| 21:36.38 | korkman | i think kde is intercepting my xdg-open call and bugs it |
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| 21:37.35 | thewanderer1 | slg, maybe Xubuntu has a more recent XFCE which includes this functionality? or a different default text editor altogether. if you're using sftp, I'd recommend sshfs or any other FUSE-based tool to mount the remote directory locally. |
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| 21:38.35 | thewanderer1 | slg, if you're working on software, using git with local editing and pushes over SSH might be an idea, but it requires some adaptation to a new workflow. you gain version control, though. |
| 21:39.19 | Guest2164 | karlpinc: thanks, it's look catchy ;) |
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| 21:41.16 | slg | thewanderer1, not that it is this gigolo app they are using under xubuntu? |
| 21:41.24 | Guest2164 | karlpinc: but i think that i need something that looks deeply in bgp protocol |
| 21:42.01 | slg | thewanderer1, yes its no problem also used to nano and vi via shell but its more fancy using a gui based texteditor |
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| 21:43.00 | thewanderer1 | slg, sorry, I don't know what they use on Xubuntu :P |
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| 21:44.16 | cardamon | Okay, NEITHER ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list nor ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list nor /usr/share/applications/defaults.list contain any mention of gimp, but every time I run update-desktop-database (or its run for me) "application/pdf=kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop;gimp.desktop;" shows up in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache and xdg-open defaults to gimp for pdfs. |
| 21:45.37 | slg | thewanderer1, will try gigolo and report back if it is any use :) |
| 21:46.57 | thewanderer1 | hmm yeah, it could use with gedit I think |
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| 21:47.11 | thewanderer1 | s/use/work/ even # sleep time :P |
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| 21:47.47 | Guest2164 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.00 | Guest2164 | this is exactly that i need! :) |
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| 21:57.23 | davistv_ | Hi everyone. I'm running 6.0.5 on a Raspberry Pi, having trouble getting a Belkin F5D7050 working. I'm a little unfamiliar with how to set this up, and have worked through 4 or 5 conflicting sets of instructions so far with no luck. Is there a problem with this particular wifi adapter maybe? |
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| 21:58.51 | themill | davistv_: there are apparently several different adapters that answer to "F5D7050". You need to work out which one you've actually got. |
| 21:58.54 | themill | !F5D7050 |
| 21:58.54 | dpkg | The F5D7050 "Wireless G USB Adapter" is a 802.11g device manufactured by Belkin. For support of v1000 (USB ID 050d:7050), ask me about <p54>. For v2000 (USB ID 050d:7050), ask about <rt2500usb>. For v3000 (USB ID 050d:705a), ask about <rt73usb>. For v4000 (USB ID 050d:705c), ask about <zd1211rw>. For v5000 (USB ID 050d:705e), ask about <rtl8187b>. |
| 21:59.06 | davistv_ | It's the v4xxx. |
| 21:59.19 | themill | davistv_: lsusb should help you work out which one you've got |
| 21:59.43 | themill | !zd1211rw |
| 21:59.43 | dpkg | zd1211rw is a Linux kernel driver supporting USB wireless LAN devices based on ZyDAS ZD1211 and ZD1211B (aka Atheros AR5007UG) chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the zd1211-firmware package to provide. Supports master mode (access point) operation as of Linux 2.6.39. http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw |
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| 22:00.36 | davistv_ | Ok, I've got non-free added, will check on the zd1211-firmware package. |
| 22:00.47 | dvs | Atheros with firmware? How unfortunate |
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| 22:07.28 | mrjk | Hi |
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| 22:12.53 | ThoMe | hiho |
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| 22:13.46 | ThoMe | have upgradet vom debian lenny to squeeze. after update I have network problems. when i try open a tcp-connection then i have a latency |
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| 22:13.51 | ThoMe | with like ssh to a host |
| 22:13.53 | davistv_ | Do I need to reboot after installing the zd1211-firmware package? I wouldn't think so. |
| 22:14.01 | ThoMe | when i try with ssh to a IP then i have no problems. |
| 22:14.08 | ThoMe | dns is ok. i can ping any hosts. |
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| 22:14.16 | ThoMe | can anyone help me? |
| 22:14.33 | davistv_ | When I plug it in, I see lots of repeating errors in syslog: zd1211rw 1-1.3.2:1.0: couldn't load firmware. Error number -110 |
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| 22:15.23 | davistv_ | usb 1-1.3.2: USB control request for firmware upload failed. Error number -110 |
| 22:15.26 | Some_Person | I'm running OpenVPN. How can I make it so that I don't have to run "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" on each reboot? |
| 22:15.42 | davistv_ | usb 1-1.3.2: Could not upload firmware code mph. Error number -110 |
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| 22:17.35 | davistv_ | Some_Person: Can you add it to /etc/rc.local ? |
| 22:17.53 | ThoMe | hmm. |
| 22:17.54 | Some_Person | davistv_: I'll try that |
| 22:17.56 | Some_Person | thanks |
| 22:17.59 | davistv_ | Sure. |
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| 22:21.43 | dvs | Some_Person: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 22:21.59 | dvs | davistv_: You should only have to reload the module |
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| 22:23.36 | thewanderer1 | folks, does Debian/kFreeBSD support jails? are they suitable for hosting untrusted VPS instances for random customers? would I be able to host Debian inside a FreeBSD (non-Debian) host? |
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| 22:24.16 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: what kind of jail, a chroot jail? |
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| 22:24.29 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS, I suppose. is there any other kind? :P |
| 22:24.41 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: that's what i was going to ask you :) |
| 22:25.20 | Some_Person | dvs: thanks |
| 22:25.21 | thewanderer1 | I imagine it's like pivot_root, but on steroids |
| 22:25.29 | dvs | Some_Person: no prob |
| 22:25.46 | oss117 | =) |
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| 22:26.07 | davistv_ | dvs: I tried "modprobe zd1211rw" and got no output. But same errors upon plugging in the Belkin adapter. Tried rmmod rt73usb (tried a different adapter before), but no change. |
| 22:26.15 | davistv_ | Same errors about can't upload firmware. |
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| 22:27.42 | thewanderer1 | I'm a bit concerned about the allow.sysvipc jail parameter, guests interfering with the host could mean a Bad Thing(TM) |
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| 22:30.36 | dvs | davistv_: Did you install zd1211-firmware package? |
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| 22:37.15 | bmoloney | I have several Debian squeeze machines that are showing high cpu usage for idle applications and high cpu load for ksoftirqd |
| 22:37.42 | jelly-home | bmoloney: run date -s"$(date)", as root |
| 22:38.26 | jelly-home | then hunt linux news sites for leap second, kernel and ntp |
| 22:39.08 | teratorn | hehe |
| 22:39.29 | jhutchins_lt | bmoloney: Interesting. What's causing that? |
| 22:39.42 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: same answer for you. |
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| 22:40.03 | jelly-home | a kernel bug. |
| 22:40.05 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Lag. |
| 22:40.38 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: The kernel bug shouldn't affect squeeze, it's supposed to be fixed after 2.6.29. |
| 22:40.54 | jhutchins_lt | Open Java on the other hand... |
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| 22:41.20 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: wrong bug. Squeeze affected. |
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| 22:44.10 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: well. at least ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-38 was, I'm not sure why these machines had outdated kernel |
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| 22:50.04 | bmoloney | I am seeing it on one machine with the 3.2-bpo kernel |
| 22:51.02 | davistv_ | dvs: Yes, I did. apt-get install zd1211-firmware |
| 22:51.07 | davistv_ | succeeded. |
| 22:52.06 | jelly-home | bmoloney: well you've been told the fix |
| 22:53.24 | bmoloney | jelly-home: yes, thank you |
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| 22:55.35 | dvs | davistv_: cool |
| 22:56.24 | davistv_ | Still getting the same errors, though. :-( |
| 22:56.39 | davistv_ | dvs: ^ |
| 22:56.53 | davistv_ | Could not upload firmware code mph. Error number -110 |
| 22:56.57 | davistv_ | uph |
| 22:57.00 | davistv_ | not mph |
| 22:57.03 | davistv_ | damn spell checker |
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| 22:59.27 | dvs | davistv_: At this point I'd try a newer kernel |
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| 22:59.35 | davistv_ | Hm. |
| 22:59.37 | davistv_ | ok. |
| 22:59.41 | davistv_ | Will give it a shot. |
| 22:59.53 | davistv_ | Just found this, which mentions a kernel patch. |
| 22:59.53 | davistv_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505143 |
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| 23:15.50 | mikl | how do you debug dpkg errors that contains no hints about what went wrong like these: http://dpaste.com/766589/ ? |
| 23:17.37 | thewanderer1 | mikl, there is an error message, it tells you that what script has been run and what return value it yielded. (and MariaDB is not an official Debian package, I think) |
| 23:17.39 | dondelelcaro | mikl: the mariadb-server-5.5 postinst script failed |
| 23:18.00 | dondelelcaro | mikl: add a set -x or similar to the top of the postinst, and then rerun dpkg --configure -a; and see what exactly is failing, and fix it. |
| 23:18.53 | mikl | dondelelcaro: how can I change the postinst? I suppose it's part of the .dpkg file? |
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| 23:21.09 | piklu | GOOD MORNING DEBRIS |
| 23:22.25 | dondelelcaro | mikl: just edit it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariablahblahblah.postinst |
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| 23:25.05 | mikl | dondelelcaro: thanks, I just commented out the part it was choking on :) |
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| 23:30.25 | piklu | is there a debian which is super optimized to run webservers? |
| 23:32.17 | peterrooney | ,versions mariadb-server-5.5 |
| 23:32.18 | judd | No package named 'mariadb-server-5.5' was found in i386. |
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| 23:32.52 | peterrooney | smells an ubuntu user |
| 23:33.13 | dvs | plugs his nose |
| 23:33.28 | abrotman | piklu: is there any distro that is super optimized to run webservers? |
| 23:33.40 | piklu | yessh |
| 23:33.48 | piklu | like cloudlinux for webhosting is now there |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | peterrooney: they have third party packages |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | piklu: there is one Debian, you can customize it however you would like |
| 23:34.09 | peterrooney | piklu: not exactly, but some webservers are better than others for certain tasks |
| 23:34.38 | piklu | like nginx? |
| 23:36.42 | peterrooney | exactly, or lighttpd |
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| 23:42.25 | thewanderer1 | how to get a "webserver-optimized linux": 1. install Debian 2. install a fast Web server 3. if it scales poorly, tweak some parameters in /proc according to random blog articles and guides 4. ??? 5. profit :P |
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| 23:43.30 | gbp | hello, just wondering if anyone could explain why my 'w' states there's 3 users logged in, but my 'who' and 'ps awx|grep bash' shows only my current shell? |
| 23:44.21 | petemc | gbp: try running pstree -u |
| 23:44.31 | tharkun | gbp: I ain't using bash |
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| 23:56.47 | deuterium | hi, according to the very bottom of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=618956 , debian dev jon bernard has uploaded a new version (0.38 instead of 0.36) of the cgroup-bin package which allegedly solves an annoying bug. now i just tried to install this update using apt-get update, then install. but apt still wants to install 0.36. how can i make it install 0.38? it's squeeze, btw. |
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| 23:58.10 | deuterium | would that be in squeeze-updates? |
| 23:58.46 | thewanderer1 | ,versions cgroup-bin |
| 23:58.48 | judd | Package: cgroup-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 0.36.2-3+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.36.2-3+squeeze1; sid: 0.38-1; wheezy: 0.38-1 |
| 23:58.56 | thewanderer1 | nope, testing or unstable |
| 23:59.39 | deuterium | thewanderer1: can i use that package from testing/unstable on squeeze? using apt or so and a sources.list line? |