| 00:01.09 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, you'd better not. enabling testing has far-reaching consequences which would undoubtedly backfire. |
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| 00:01.42 | deuterium | thewanderer1: i have to try it and take the risk. i absolutely need cgroups to work on my squeeze box. |
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| 00:01.48 | abrotman | judd: backport-check cgroup-bin |
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| 00:01.50 | thewanderer1 | you're better off integrating the patch into 0.36 from squeeze using the source package, building binaries, and using those |
| 00:02.02 | abrotman | judd: backportcheck cgroup-bin |
| 00:02.04 | DropsOfSerenity | trying to run path of exile via wine on debian, works fine in ubuntu but I get the following error in debian: err:module:attach_process_dlls "API-MS-Win-Core-LocalRegistry-L1-1-0.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
| 00:02.12 | abrotman | kind of wishes judd would listen :) |
| 00:02.42 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, also, this bug is not a show-stopper, you can install cgroup-bin while still encountering it |
| 00:03.09 | deuterium | thewanderer1: hm.. backporting patches from from 0.36 to 0.38.. i guess there are many patches |
| 00:03.17 | deuterium | thewanderer1: really? how? |
| 00:03.53 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, I think the package is installed, but not configured. fix the config file, call `dpkg --configure -a` and see if it works |
| 00:04.00 | deuterium | thewanderer1: i.e. is there a workaround for this bug? would be fine too, for me. i just need cgroups to work, no matter how. |
| 00:04.28 | deuterium | thewanderer1: hm.. ok. let me check. thanks for the hints so far. |
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| 00:06.51 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, the package seems to never work right if you have previously mounted cgroups anywhere yourself, even if you *think* you've unmounted them |
| 00:07.04 | thewanderer1 | I've found that having /etc/mtab linked to /proc/mounts helps |
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| 00:08.31 | aguitel | in gome terminal appears only black screen ,why ? |
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| 00:09.37 | deuterium | thewanderer1: hm.. i never used cgroups before. it's the first time i try to install it and set it all up. so, you say 'ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab' and re-installing would help? |
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| 00:12.48 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, symlinking could help you in umounting cgroups, which you need to do prior to installing the package |
| 00:13.10 | thewanderer1 | because the static mtab often doesn't show cgroup mounts |
| 00:13.46 | deuterium | thewanderer1: i see. i can't see any mounted cgroup listed in /proc/mounts though. |
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| 00:16.54 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, hmm, does the mount point specified in the cgconfig.conf exist, then? |
| 00:17.08 | deuterium | thewanderer1: considering http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcgroup/libcgroup_0.38-1.dsc, shouldn't i be able to install the package (or maybe the source package) from wheezy using an approach like here? http://serverfault.com/questions/322533/best-way-to-install-package-from-wheezy-on-squeeze |
| 00:17.50 | thewanderer1 | deuterium, with all extra bugs ported from wheezy? well, you could :P |
| 00:18.22 | thewanderer1 | still, this is completely workable on wheezy once you resolve the fubared config problem |
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| 00:18.26 | thewanderer1 | err, on squeeze |
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| 00:19.21 | deuterium | thewanderer1: i don't even seem to have any /etc/cgconfig.conf file on my box. might be installed when installing cgroup-bin (which fails)? |
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| 00:28.15 | deuterium | hm.. where can i download the source package of http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcgroup/cgroup-bin_0.38-1_amd64.deb? |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | !tell deuterium about ssb |
| 00:29.03 | nsadmin | , v cgroup-bin |
| 00:29.04 | judd | Package: cgroup-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 0.36.2-3+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.36.2-3+squeeze1; sid: 0.38-1; wheezy: 0.38-1 |
| 00:29.20 | nsadmin | so you want the sid one |
| 00:29.48 | nsadmin | follow the instructions as given to you. if you need help on specific parts, ask/ |
| 00:30.50 | deuterium | abrotman, nsadmin: thanks for your help |
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| 00:31.29 | abrotman | was the diff not in the bug? |
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| 00:33.53 | nsadmin | deuterium, one thing, backporting could get hairy |
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| 00:36.25 | nsadmin | if that does happen and you'd rather not do the extra work that comes up, you may wish to upgrade... the problem with that being sid isn't recommended for real work: it changes too much and too often and is permitted to rail to be stable no matter how much the devs try to have it otherwise, and this is for so many different, actual or possible reasons it's too much to name |
| 00:38.17 | deuterium | abrotman: can't spot any diff on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=618956. maintainer says it's supposed to be fixed in 0.38. that version has only been released for wheezy and sid though. |
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| 00:38.38 | abrotman | deuterium: right, won't get to squeeze normally unless it's an RC bug |
| 00:38.47 | nsadmin | then he's claiming any such diff was applied to that version |
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| 00:39.12 | abrotman | some DDs put the diff in the BTS, some do not |
| 00:39.47 | deuterium | nsadmin: thanks for the warning. i just need to make cgroups work on my squeeze, no matter how. upgrading to sid is no option as it's a production server. |
| 00:39.49 | nsadmin | maybe you can make your own diff by having the two source dirs present and running diff -Naur older newer |
| 00:40.24 | abrotman | http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/libcgroup/0.38-1 |
| 00:40.28 | deuterium | nsadmin: it's what i intend to do. or just try to compile+install 0.38 from sid on my squeeze. i guess that shouldn't be too hairy. |
| 00:40.31 | nsadmin | deuterium, whew, glad you don't want to upgrade to sid :) |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | not sure if that would have the things he needs or not |
| 00:41.06 | nsadmin | should he just try it? or is it dangerous? |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | just try what? |
| 00:41.38 | nsadmin | get the backport done and install it |
| 00:41.55 | nsadmin | also what part of libc is it? |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | he just needs to monitor security issues and all changelog entries |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | judd: info cgroup-bin --release squeeze |
| 00:42.31 | judd | Package cgroup-bin (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: Tools to control and monitor control groups. Version: 0.36.2-3+squeeze1; Size: 53.5k; Installed: 272k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/libcg/ |
| 00:42.40 | DropsOfSerenity | trying to run path of exile via wine on debian, works fine in ubuntu but I get the following error in debian: err:module:attach_process_dlls "API-MS-Win-Core-LocalRegistry-L1-1-0.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | nsadmin: make more sense now ? |
| 00:43.06 | nsadmin | a little; I'm clueless on most of it |
| 00:43.38 | nsadmin | the main problem being I son't know what a "control group" is |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | it's not really relevant in this case |
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| 00:44.13 | abrotman | but from their website |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | Control groups, a new kernel feature in Linux 2.6.24 provides a file system interface to manipulate and control the details on task grouping including creation of new task groups (control groups), permission handling and task assignment. |
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| 00:45.03 | nsadmin | oh, hey, thank you |
| 00:45.36 | oss117 | cheers =) |
| 00:45.50 | deuterium | abrotman: is http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/libcgroup/0.38-1 a patch from 0.36 (squeeze) to 0.38-1 (sid)? |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:48.55 | nsadmin | abrotman, I've been using jack a lot and seeing how it can be used systemwide, but one thing that seems to block that at least conceptually is that jack likes to be run as a specific user... can these cgroup tools be somehow used to get jack running as a system user (not necessarily root) and allow connections from users as limited by some policy config? |
| 00:49.12 | nsadmin | one thing, jack seems monolithic |
| 00:49.43 | deuterium | nsadmin: i think cgroups is more for resource limitation, no? |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | ITYM jackd .. and i don't know, i've been using pulse |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: you want another user to use your sound ? |
| 00:50.11 | nsadmin | yes, jackd |
| 00:50.18 | abrotman | jack is a different program |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | deuterium: it rather seems that they just removed the problematic files |
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| 00:51.10 | deuterium | abrotman: ..that prevented a proper configuration run? ok. |
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| 00:51.51 | abrotman | deuterium: moment |
| 00:52.05 | nsadmin | ok, not exactly. What I want, is for jackd to start when the machine boots, and provide its connection services to users other than the system user |
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| 00:53.10 | nevyn | nsadmin: this isn't reccomended |
| 00:53.29 | nevyn | you need to set JACK_PROMISCUOUS_SERVER to allow other uid's to connect to the jackd. |
| 00:53.41 | meep | I need help |
| 00:53.43 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:53.48 | abrotman | !meep |
| 00:53.48 | dpkg | http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 00:53.51 | meep | My computer shuts down whenever there's flash. |
| 00:53.52 | nevyn | I think there's most of the required stuff for setting it up in /etc/defaults/jack? |
| 00:54.14 | abrotman | deuterium: wait, there's a perfectly good workaround in the bug .. why are you trying to patch this ? |
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| 00:54.34 | nevyn | nsadmin: however the developers don't reccomend/support running jack as a system daemon |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | oh wait, maybe not |
| 00:54.39 | deuterium | abrotman: which workaround do you mean? |
| 00:54.59 | deuterium | abrotman: i don't have any cgroup entries in my /etc/fstab.. |
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| 00:55.14 | abrotman | deuterium: and it fails the same way? |
| 00:55.32 | deuterium | abrotman: yes |
| 00:55.37 | nsadmin | nevyn, and also won't move toward that in newer versions? any guesses as to what they're thinking along those lines? |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | deuterium: do you have a /cgroups ? |
| 00:55.46 | nevyn | nope |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | deuterium: or anything in /proc/cgroups ? |
| 00:56.00 | nevyn | nsadmin: not where they're at. |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | deuterium: you can enable the source from unstble, try to rebuild it .. |
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| 00:57.04 | deuterium | abrotman: i don't have /cgroups or /proc/cgroups.. i think i would need to install the deb first, for this |
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| 00:57.37 | nsadmin | nevyn, so it seems like their use case is pro audio for users very familiar with linux |
| 00:57.55 | abrotman | deuterium: and you tried to bakcport it and it failed ? |
| 00:58.52 | deuterium | abrotman: i'm trying to use deb-src from sid of 0.38.1 now |
| 00:58.53 | nevyn | nsadmin: pro audio |
| 00:59.00 | nevyn | the familiar with linux bit.. meh |
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| 00:59.43 | nsadmin | deuterium, and you also don't have the squeeze cgroup-bin package installed? |
| 00:59.46 | nevyn | nsadmin: what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 01:00.09 | deuterium | nsadmin: no, that's the one that fails to install |
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| 01:00.54 | nsadmin | nevyn, I want to put everything possible thru jack, and so jackd should be running either at boot or at xdm login |
| 01:01.11 | nevyn | why. |
| 01:01.38 | nevyn | jackd makes a terrible pulseaudio... |
| 01:01.52 | nsadmin | for one thing, want to be able to record anything |
| 01:02.22 | deuterium | nsadmin, abrotman: trying this now: root@vtest2:/usr/src# aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep cgroup-bin; apt-get -b source cgroup-bin; |
| 01:02.25 | nsadmin | is pulseaudio that much better? |
| 01:02.31 | nevyn | nsadmin: just different |
| 01:02.46 | nevyn | pulse has a couple of key benefits as a system audio daemon imho |
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| 01:03.06 | nsadmin | nevyn, what are those? |
| 01:03.08 | nevyn | it handles crazy apps better jack really wants apps that know wtf they're doing. |
| 01:03.20 | nsadmin | deuterium, that should do it :) |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | deuterium: how's it going ? |
| 01:03.55 | DropsOfSerenity | trying to run path of exile via wine on debian, works fine in ubuntu but I get the following error in debian: err:module:attach_process_dlls "API-MS-Win-Core-LocalRegistry-L1-1-0.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
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| 01:04.12 | nevyn | pulse will deal with 22khz mono S_8LE and 48k stereo S_16LE etc and give you volume controls on them all.. |
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| 01:04.50 | nevyn | jack wants everyone talking S32LE and nothing else so the alsa plugin has to do more work. |
| 01:04.59 | nsadmin | abrotman, how does the build-dep work when backporting? does it get the build requirements from the release that's running? |
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| 01:05.11 | nevyn | jack only really deals with one soundcard. |
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| 01:05.26 | nevyn | pulse will handle hot plugging and removing of soundcards in a far more flexible way |
| 01:05.48 | nevyn | nsadmin: ^^ there's a longer list on lenardt's blog.. lemme find it. |
| 01:06.16 | nevyn | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/when-pa-and-when-not.html |
| 01:06.17 | nsadmin | nevyn. thanks, appreciate your attn |
| 01:07.03 | deuterium | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/766622/ (= i might need to compile libcgroup1 from deb-src first?) |
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| 01:07.25 | nsadmin | another part is I have rme hw, faberman is the guy working on that stuff, he likes jack and dislikes alsa, so he wrote a jack driver and his own mixer |
| 01:07.47 | nsadmin | the hardware is very high quality stiff |
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| 01:07.54 | nsadmin | stuff |
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| 01:09.54 | deuterium | abrotman: the same error occurs when i try the same line to build and install libcgroup1 first |
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| 01:12.10 | prefixed | so, anyone in here have any ideas why I wouldn't be able to login with a pubkey from one user, but I would with another user when the AuthorizedKeyFile directive is set to %h/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 01:12.47 | gnarface | prefixed: missing key or permission problem |
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| 01:13.10 | nsadmin | prefixed, check and compare permissions on both remotes |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | deuterium: pastebin please |
| 01:13.39 | prefixed | AuthorizedKeysFile /home/myname/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 01:13.44 | prefixed | that works ^ |
| 01:13.51 | prefixed | but only for "myname" |
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| 01:14.08 | abrotman | prefixed: who owns the directories and keys file .. |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | and with what perms ? |
| 01:15.53 | deuterium | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/766625/ (pastebin seems to be down) |
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| 01:16.14 | prefixed | drwx------ 2 dduoba dduoba 4096 2012-07-02 20:47 .ssh |
| 01:16.22 | prefixed | is the one that doesn't work |
| 01:16.41 | nsadmin | dduoba is the correct user? |
| 01:16.50 | prefixed | drwx------ 2 bhartsell bhartsell 4096 2012-07-02 20:52 .ssh |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | prefixed: i asked for other things also |
| 01:16.52 | prefixed | does work |
| 01:17.20 | prefixed | -rw-r--r-- 1 dduoba dduoba 239 2011-05-10 18:30 authorized_keys |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | deuterium: that's a totally different error |
| 01:17.47 | prefixed | -rw-r--r-- 1 bhartsell bhartsell 415 2012-07-01 22:49 authorized_keys |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | quite a size difference |
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| 01:18.01 | nsadmin | looks all the same so far |
| 01:18.14 | prefixed | take note that bhartsell is the one that works with %h/... |
| 01:18.34 | prefixed | and dduoba is the one that works only if the directory is specific |
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| 01:19.10 | prefixed | what else do you need to see? |
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| 01:19.18 | deuterium | abrotman: couldn't i try to set the -d flag or so? looks like debhelper>=9 is expected. squeeze might ship with an older version. |
| 01:19.25 | nsadmin | ls -ld ~ on each |
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| 01:20.48 | prefixed | dduoba@main:/$ ls -ld ~ |
| 01:20.48 | prefixed | drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2012-04-26 11:54 / |
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| 01:21.05 | prefixed | bhartsell@main:~/.ssh$ ls -ld ~ |
| 01:21.05 | prefixed | drwxr-xr-x 3 bhartsell bhartsell 4096 2012-07-02 20:54 /home/bhartsell |
| 01:21.06 | prefixed | OH |
| 01:21.19 | prefixed | so dduoba's home is /? |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | no ... |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | but it is ownbed by root, which isn't correct |
| 01:21.45 | prefixed | hm |
| 01:21.48 | abrotman | prefixed: why aren't you asking #macosx ? |
| 01:21.57 | prefixed | I'm not on mac |
| 01:22.02 | abrotman | the server is ? |
| 01:22.04 | prefixed | and you dudes are just so smart! |
| 01:22.07 | prefixed | no, it's devian |
| 01:22.10 | prefixed | *debian |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | you told us last night the person was sshing from Debian to OSX ? |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | regardless .. fix $HOME for the busted user |
| 01:22.35 | prefixed | from OSX to devian |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | spell it again |
| 01:22.55 | prefixed | abrotman where is that directive configured? |
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| 01:23.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:23.39 | prefixed | how do I set $home for a specific user |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | prefixed: man chown |
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| 01:24.26 | prefixed | oh ok |
| 01:24.30 | prefixed | well, this is interesting |
| 01:24.43 | prefixed | the homd directory of dduoba *is* root |
| 01:24.51 | prefixed | or / |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | then that's also misconfigured |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | perhaps you should talk to the system admin ? |
| 01:25.19 | prefixed | that's me! |
| 01:25.39 | pparadis | wait, are you trying to change what directory is the home directory for a user? |
| 01:25.46 | nsadmin | then talk to you! |
| 01:25.51 | prefixed | no, although I may have done it in the past |
| 01:25.56 | prefixed | I talk to myself allll the time |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | prefixed: somehow, you failed to read man pages, now stuff is wrong . |
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| 01:26.30 | peterrooney | prefixed: man 5 passwd |
| 01:26.36 | pparadis | prefixed: http://linux.die.net/man/8/usermod |
| 01:26.43 | pparadis | and /etc/passwd of course |
| 01:28.02 | peterrooney | pparadis: oooh, how did I not learn about THAT in school? serves me right for sleeping in class. |
| 01:28.16 | pparadis | peterrooney: what, usermod? :) |
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| 01:28.53 | nsadmin | well maybe also you didn't make a home dir for that user, so you'll have to do that and set it up |
| 01:29.32 | peterrooney | pparadis: yes, usermod, but i see it has numerous caveats |
| 01:29.36 | prefixed | abrotman thanks! |
| 01:29.46 | prefixed | peterrooney you too! |
| 01:29.57 | prefixed | not sure why I had my home set to root |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | peterrooney: it does indeed |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | prefixed: you used useradd instead of adduser |
| 01:30.12 | prefixed | I think it was because I wanted to give myself root access |
| 01:30.20 | pparadis | ... |
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| 01:30.46 | pparadis | yeah, usermod has its place, like the other tools in the box. |
| 01:31.18 | genoskill | is this a good place to ask for help about thunar? |
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| 01:32.24 | abrotman | genoskill: with which distro ? |
| 01:32.55 | genoskill | abrotman: i think that is irrelevant but mint 9 |
| 01:33.04 | pparadis | !tell genoskill about mint |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | genoskill: it is relevant, Mint has their own support |
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| 01:33.25 | abrotman | genoskill: alternately, try the xfce channel perhaps |
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| 01:43.15 | DropsOfSerenity | trying to run path of exile via wine on debian, works fine in ubuntu but I get the following error in debian: err:module:attach_process_dlls "API-MS-Win-Core-LocalRegistry-L1-1-0.dll" failed to initialize, aborting |
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| 01:43.42 | oss117 | ... |
| 01:44.32 | pparadis | DropsOfSerenity: what version debian? |
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| 01:45.24 | DropsOfSerenity | pparadis, wheezy |
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| 01:46.33 | pparadis | DropsOfSerenity: that's a pretty recent version wine then. no idea. you might ask in #winehq |
| 01:47.04 | nsadmin | DropsOfSerenity, there are some things you can compare between your ubuntu and your debian, to see what might be up in general... version of kernel, version of wine to start with |
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| 01:47.14 | nsadmin | see if you see something really different |
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| 01:49.19 | nsadmin | DropsOfSerenity, another thing you can do that is likely to give you some useful results, is put the complete and exact text of the error message into the google search box |
| 01:50.05 | prefixed | ok. anyone have any good reading on linux/debian permissions |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | prefixed: The admin? |
| 01:52.15 | DropsOfSerenity | nsadmin, yeah i've already tried that, it's not common at all |
| 01:52.17 | abrotman | !tell prefixed about permissions |
| 01:52.27 | DropsOfSerenity | nsadmin, wine version is 1.4.1 |
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| 02:02.40 | DropsOfSerenity | nsadmin, this is the only relevant post and it's unanswered http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?p=56685&sid=9c3626727aee908d4f2dd158f454fde8 |
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| 02:04.05 | deuterium | abrotman, nsadmin: i have to call it a day and continue in about 8 hrs with backporting cgroups-bin + libcgroup1. thanks for your valuable help! |
| 02:04.21 | oss117 | =) |
| 02:06.04 | mns | can I have a USB 1.1 hub, hooked to my debian system, and have usb 2.0 devices hooked to it, and have it all magically show up and the devices mounted ? |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | deuterium: you may want to append the bug and ask if it will be fixed for squeeze |
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| 02:06.40 | nevyn | nsadmin: I thought most of the rme stuff used alsa.. (other than the firewire stuff) |
| 02:07.41 | deuterium | abrotman: ok, good idea |
| 02:09.00 | prefixed | ok |
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| 02:09.21 | prefixed | so what is the best way to access a directory within a different user's homedirectory? |
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| 02:12.42 | LtL | prefixed: su - become root, or 'su thatguyusername' |
| 02:12.51 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:12.53 | prefixed | thought so |
| 02:12.57 | prefixed | time to look into sudo |
| 02:12.58 | prefixed | ! |
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| 02:36.35 | prefixed | hm |
| 02:36.42 | prefixed | so |
| 02:37.05 | prefixed | I'm using su otherusername, but it does nto appear to be changing my user shell |
| 02:37.40 | LtL | prefixed: you use his password yes, just 'cd' and youre in his dir |
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| 02:38.07 | prefixed | LtL that's not working |
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| 02:38.27 | LtL | prefixed: errors? |
| 02:38.31 | prefixed | none |
| 02:38.45 | sney | try with su - otherusername |
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| 02:39.45 | prefixed | no dice |
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| 02:40.30 | LtL | prefixed: type whoami |
| 02:40.42 | sney | does that other user have a shell defined in /etc/passwd |
| 02:40.47 | sney | or is it /bin/false |
| 02:40.48 | prefixed | would it matter that the user who I am trying to switch to is /bin/fals |
| 02:40.59 | sney | haha, yes |
| 02:41.00 | pparadis | prefixed: that's the shell. |
| 02:41.00 | LtL | yes |
| 02:41.02 | pparadis | and that's not valid. |
| 02:41.04 | prefixed | ah |
| 02:41.08 | prefixed | well there we go |
| 02:41.18 | pparadis | well, it's vaild in that it's false and does nothing, which is the goal. |
| 02:41.26 | pparadis | change it to /bin/bash or whatever. |
| 02:41.31 | sney | should be /bin/bash or whatever your preference if you want it to be a functional shell |
| 02:41.33 | prefixed | ok, so how do I prevent logging into SSH from outside |
| 02:41.44 | sney | from outside? |
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| 02:42.02 | pparadis | edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to only allow key-based auth by turning off password auth? |
| 02:42.21 | pparadis | (and making sure you can actually log in with ssh keys first) |
| 02:42.38 | prefixed | how do I prevent a user from sshing into the machine. I do want to be able to access this machien via FTP with this account |
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| 02:43.03 | pparadis | prefixed: please do not use ftp. |
| 02:43.13 | prefixed | I also want one specific user to be able to run ssh commands as this user |
| 02:43.25 | pparadis | you can make a user sftp-only, btw, which uses openssh since you already have it, and is secure. |
| 02:44.31 | prefixed | ok, I will look into sftp |
| 02:44.38 | pparadis | prefixed: http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze |
| 02:44.49 | pparadis | there are many, many other guides available via google for what you're trying to do. |
| 02:44.56 | karlpinc | prefixed: If you're at all concerned about security you want to stay far away from ftp. |
| 02:44.59 | pparadis | if you get stuck, i'm certain someone here will be able to help you, though. |
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| 02:45.47 | karlpinc | pparadis: Yes, we will be here to tell him to rtfm. :-) Seriously, a bit of reading the sshd_config man page goes a long way. |
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| 02:46.23 | pparadis | karlpinc: i'm hoping he starts googling around for articles and reading man pages, and gets so lost in it he comes back in a couple of months to report that everything works great ;) |
| 02:46.32 | pparadis | is a very hopeful person. |
| 02:46.39 | karlpinc | !next |
| 02:46.39 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 02:47.10 | karlpinc | The trick is reading the right _part_ of the man page. |
| 02:47.25 | prefixed | for some reason, rtfm did notwork when I used visudo |
| 02:47.57 | karlpinc | prefixed: Sometimes you need to ask for a clue. |
| 02:48.05 | pparadis | prefixed: apt-get install sl ; sl |
| 02:48.20 | pparadis | whoo whoo! |
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| 02:48.36 | prefixed | and for the record, visudo should allow me to let a specific user run commands as another user, correct? |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | if you edit the file and put the correct syntax in it .. |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | not sure what that has to do with a chroot though |
| 02:49.14 | karlpinc | Isn't sure he knows what visudo is. But it sounds like vi+sudo, two things that I tend to cultivate a distate for. |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | karlpinc: ding ding ding |
| 02:49.28 | pparadis | doesn't use sudo. |
| 02:50.46 | LtL | prefixed: add this line, 'username ALL=(ALL) ALL' or specify command |
| 02:50.58 | peterrooney | karlpinc: I always set EDITOR when using visudo |
| 02:51.01 | prefixed | LtL I do not want to give them root access |
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| 02:51.43 | karlpinc | prefixed: Maybe you should tell us just what you _are_ trying to do and we can suggest some approaches. |
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| 02:52.18 | prefixed | I actually knwo what I'm going to do now |
| 02:52.25 | prefixed | you guys have been great! thanks! |
| 02:53.24 | karlpinc | peterrooney: I always set EDITOR and VISUAL. VISUAL always sounded kinda klugey. I don't suppose it will ever go away? |
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| 02:54.47 | karlpinc | (With talk in the wind about making /usr/bin go away seems like anything's possible.) |
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| 02:56.17 | cesurasean | hey guys when i install ruby then gems, i cant seem to get the gems command to work. says not found. |
| 02:56.20 | cesurasean | how do i fix that? |
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| 02:56.53 | abrotman | as which user? |
| 02:56.55 | karlpinc | cesurasean: How do you install it? |
| 02:57.17 | n-iCe | by the way |
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| 02:57.59 | cesurasean | apt-get install gems |
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| 02:59.44 | karlpinc | cesurasean: You could "dpkg -L gems | grep '/gems$'" and see where the binary is. Or, you could answer abrotman's question. |
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| 03:01.17 | karlpinc | cesurasean: apt-file says there's no gems command. Just gems-client and gems-server. |
| 03:01.31 | karlpinc | cesurasean: (But I could be doing it wrong.) |
| 03:01.33 | SomeoneWeird | try ruby-gems |
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| 03:01.50 | SomeoneWeird | rubygems |
| 03:01.52 | SomeoneWeird | actually |
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| 03:26.10 | dvs | !qotd84 |
| 03:26.10 | dpkg | <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
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| 03:28.01 | thelifelessone | uh, strange problem. I'm using xmonad instead of gnome currently, and it's refusing my password. |
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| 03:28.09 | thelifelessone | and it's also not letting me use any ssh keys. |
| 03:28.16 | thelifelessone | did I do something to screw up authentication? |
| 03:28.19 | sney | what's refusing your password? xmonad doesn't have any auth functions AFAIK |
| 03:28.25 | thelifelessone | apt-get |
| 03:28.28 | thelifelessone | via sudo |
| 03:28.29 | thelifelessone | and su - |
| 03:28.50 | sney | are you able to log in as root directly? |
| 03:29.03 | thelifelessone | I've only tried su -, if that's what you mean. |
| 03:29.12 | thelifelessone | other than that, no, I haven't tried anything |
| 03:29.18 | sney | I mean going to an actual login shell and logging in as root |
| 03:29.22 | thelifelessone | oh. |
| 03:29.25 | thelifelessone | um. |
| 03:29.27 | thelifelessone | how do I do that? |
| 03:29.47 | pparadis | thelifelessone: when you did "su -" did you enter your password, or root's password? |
| 03:29.52 | thelifelessone | roots |
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| 03:30.12 | sney | well, you could ctrl-alt-f2 to get out of X and to a regular text login |
| 03:30.13 | pparadis | thelifelessone: hit ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 03:30.15 | thelifelessone | hmm, sudo su worked. Strange. |
| 03:30.20 | thelifelessone | I have root access now. |
| 03:30.33 | sney | sounds like your root password might have been changed |
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| 03:30.43 | thelifelessone | okay |
| 03:30.45 | thelifelessone | what could have done that? |
| 03:30.52 | sney | sometimes pam will go a little funny after an upgrade, too |
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| 03:31.19 | pparadis | considers how to respond to "what could have done that" |
| 03:31.36 | sney | it pretty much all boils down to 'human intervention' |
| 03:31.41 | thelifelessone | okay |
| 03:31.47 | sney | the last pam upgrade was april 29 |
| 03:31.50 | sney | (in testing) |
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| 03:32.32 | thelifelessone | I'm not running testing |
| 03:32.38 | thelifelessone | I'm still running squeeze |
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| 03:33.03 | thelifelessone | while root, I reset my password, and now it works. |
| 03:33.09 | pparadis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.18 | thelifelessone | well, su - doesn't still |
| 03:33.34 | thelifelessone | Linux hates me. |
| 03:33.51 | sney | strictly speaking, libpam0g hates you |
| 03:34.10 | thelifelessone | I suppose that's true |
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| 03:35.17 | sney | there are few times when a reboot is a possible solution on a linux system - "weird login problems" is one of them. but then again, you might not be able to log in at all. (this can still be fixed though) |
| 03:35.29 | thelifelessone | okay |
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| 03:35.57 | thelifelessone | well |
| 03:36.06 | thelifelessone | I suppose I'll give rebooting a try then |
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| 03:38.04 | cesurasean | can someone tell me how to fix this procps error? - http://pastebin.com/aGsaqhJg - i ran apt-get upgrade and this happens.... |
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| 03:39.10 | stew | cesurasean: what does lsattr /usr/bin/tload return? |
| 03:39.57 | cesurasean | ----ia------------- /usr/bin/tload |
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| 03:40.28 | stew | cesurasean: right, the i means "immutable" |
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| 03:40.37 | stew | cesurasean: are lots of files in /usr/bin marked as immutable? |
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| 03:41.51 | matlock | when I control+c |
| 03:41.57 | matlock | it copies this: h˜! |
| 03:42.05 | matlock | but not all the time |
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| 03:42.57 | pparadis | prefers andy griffith in "the andy griffith show" |
| 03:43.00 | stew | matlock: what is "it"? |
| 03:43.02 | matlock | actually it looks like it copies the line i selected, then that |
| 03:43.27 | cesurasean | stew, what do you mean immutable? |
| 03:43.34 | cesurasean | how do i check? |
| 03:44.01 | stew | cesurasean: a system administrator has marked that file as one that may not be changed or deleted or renamed |
| 03:44.10 | matlock | well stew it's actually different each copy |
| 03:44.16 | matlock | like this time it's: 8#+ |
| 03:44.19 | stew | cesurasean: lsattr /usr/bin | less |
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| 03:45.13 | matlock | and now it's the selected line plus `˜! |
| 03:45.35 | stew | matlock: what program is doing this? |
| 03:45.44 | matlock | whatever handles ctrl+c |
| 03:45.57 | matlock | it happens everywhere |
| 03:45.58 | stew | is this a riddle? |
| 03:46.00 | matlock | just started today |
| 03:46.35 | stew | what handles ctrl+c is whatever program you type ctrl+c into |
| 03:47.20 | matlock | well when i press ctrl+c.. anywhere.. it copies what i have selected, plus that crap |
| 03:47.26 | matlock | like now it's x? |
| 03:47.31 | matlock | i don't get it |
| 03:47.37 | matlock | nothing's changed in my setup |
| 03:47.49 | matlock | except for a few things i've added to conky but i doubt that's it |
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| 03:48.59 | matlock | hmm |
| 03:49.16 | stew | having ctrl+c do copy EVERYWHERE sounds like a horrible configuration |
| 03:49.24 | stew | how would you terminate a program running in the shell? |
| 03:49.29 | matlock | well |
| 03:49.37 | matlock | in a terminal it's ctrl shift c |
| 03:49.43 | stew | what is? |
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| 03:49.51 | matlock | but either way, i think i've figured it out partially |
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| 03:50.00 | stew | what is ctrl shift c ? |
| 03:50.05 | matlock | copy |
| 03:50.17 | matlock | ctrl c in terminal is still break |
| 03:50.34 | stew | i wonder how this program knows how to do somethign differently in terminal |
| 03:50.36 | cesurasean | stew, operation not supported |
| 03:50.37 | matlock | let me try re-opening virtualbox then remote desktop and see what happens |
| 03:50.46 | Jayro | Hello, I am working on a script that creates new users and locks them into a chrooted environment, does anyone know what devices I need to create in the chrooted /dev for them to sucessfully log in? |
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| 03:50.58 | LtL | matlock: i find right click paste is safer |
| 03:51.17 | matlock | LtL, yea but my right click is buggy too |
| 03:51.20 | stew | cesurasean: huh? |
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| 03:52.09 | cesurasean | stew, i need to get something to eat. i will be back later tonight or tomorrow to work on this. |
| 03:52.13 | cesurasean | it's not that urgent. |
| 03:52.17 | matlock | looks like it's 'remote desktop viewer' |
| 03:52.25 | stew | cesurasean: how many people are root on this box? |
| 03:52.34 | stew | cesurasean: i'm assuming this box was hacked |
| 03:53.16 | matlock | yep, it's remote desktop viewer |
| 03:53.32 | matlock | vinagre |
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| 04:19.54 | karlpinc | Jayro: You could probably start by abandoning chroot and using linux containers instead. Chroot was not designed with security in mind whereas containers were, so containers are easier to secure and do the job better. |
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| 04:31.34 | symptom | how do you search for debian bugs? I put a known bug number into http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ and get no results.... |
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| 04:37.51 | karlpinc | symptom: Should do it. _Possibly_ you need to go down to the Misc section and search through both archived and unarchived bugs. |
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| 04:38.54 | symptom | karlpinc, oup! I missed the little find number box about halfway down the page.... |
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| 04:40.50 | KM0201 | i'm trying to install lxde on top of a minimal install.. i do "aptitude install --without-recommends lxde-core" and i can't start the GUI. |
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| 04:41.35 | stew | KM0201: tull us why you can't |
| 04:41.46 | KM0201 | it won't start, i type startx, nothing happens |
| 04:41.57 | stew | nothing at all happens? |
| 04:42.02 | KM0201 | nothing at all |
| 04:42.03 | stew | no error? |
| 04:42.07 | KM0201 | nope |
| 04:42.43 | KM0201 | thought maybe i was missing something |
| 04:42.59 | stew | you didn't tell us that you actually installed xorg |
| 04:43.05 | stew | but that would result in an error from startx |
| 04:43.14 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | g'day guys! during NAT source address shouldnt be modified, right? why would i get router lan ip in auth.log instead of actual ssh client's one? |
| 04:43.18 | stew | does the startx command complete? |
| 04:43.23 | KM0201 | xorg doesn't get installed? |
| 04:43.37 | KM0201 | stew: yes, i type startx, and it just drops down to a new prompt, no errors, etc. |
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| 04:44.02 | stew | well i'm assuming that by minimal you mean without the desktop task, and you didn't mention installing xorg |
| 04:44.17 | stew | lxde should be installable without having an x server |
| 04:44.27 | stew | KM0201: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log exist? |
| 04:44.42 | KM0201 | nevermind, i got it |
| 04:45.17 | stew | w1ck3dg0ph3r: depends on what type of nat you are doing. for SNAT, for instance, ONLY the source address is modified |
| 04:45.36 | stew | w1ck3dg0ph3r: for masqerading source is modified for outgoing packets and destination for incoming |
| 04:46.12 | stew | for DNAT the source address souldn't be changing |
| 04:46.21 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | it's a dd-wrt box, DNAT |
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| 04:46.32 | KM0201 | i think what happened, because during setup, i chose not to install a desktop environment, for xorg didn't get installed |
| 04:46.34 | stew | what is a dd-wrt box? |
| 04:46.52 | KM0201 | but you'd think when i went to install lxde, it should have known xorg needed installed |
| 04:46.53 | KM0201 | fucking debian |
| 04:47.06 | stew | KM0201: no, becuase it doesn't need to be installed |
| 04:47.16 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | nix like firmware on a cisco SOH router |
| 04:47.33 | stew | w1ck3dg0ph3r: what is it doing NAT for? the ssh server? the client? |
| 04:47.39 | KM0201 | thats pretty retarded in my mind, but ok |
| 04:47.47 | stew | KM0201: huh? |
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| 04:48.02 | KM0201 | why in the world would you install a GUI, w/o xorg? |
| 04:48.16 | stew | KM0201: becuase X11 is a network protocol and the server might be on a different machine |
| 04:48.31 | KM0201 | lol, ok |
| 04:48.45 | stew | KM0201: you are the one going out of your way telling the package manager "don't install things that although I might expect, are not strictly needed" |
| 04:48.45 | KM0201 | like i said, typical debian |
| 04:48.56 | KM0201 | do something ass backwards |
| 04:49.03 | stew | huh? |
| 04:49.51 | nsadmin | KM0201, have you ever heard that X is client/server? |
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| 04:50.00 | KM0201 | of course i have. |
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| 04:51.05 | nsadmin | so then how is that not an answer to your question? you could have a headless server with x client libs and x clients installed, which when run from a remote, would display on the other machine |
| 04:51.15 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | something like dmz: -A PREROUTING -d <wan ip> -j DNAT --to <server ip> |
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| 04:53.10 | stew | w1ck3dg0ph3r: that would not change the source address of the rewritten packets |
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| 04:56.42 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | stew: thats what i though ) strangely sshd logs router lan ip. would help to log packets both on router and server, i guess |
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| 05:01.29 | n-iCe | hello |
| 05:02.14 | n-iCe | ifconfig wlan1 up |
| 05:02.14 | n-iCe | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Invalid argument |
| 05:02.16 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 05:02.24 | n-iCe | this is happening about I installed bpo kernel |
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| 05:05.18 | penrod | greetings, I have a root partition that is full. There is a 134 mb file and I do not know how to delete it. any |
| 05:05.20 | penrod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:14.00 | KM0201 | penrod: i would think just log in as root then rm -r /path/to/file/filename (just becareful w/ that rm -r.. it can be deadly if you typo) |
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| 05:15.26 | penrod | KM0201: you would think so , but I have no idea of the file name , see http://pastebin.ca/2166572 for further clarification |
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| 05:16.22 | KM0201 | penrod: how large is your / partition. |
| 05:16.35 | KM0201 | if it's only 134mb, thats your problem.. because thats where all the OS files are installed. |
| 05:16.51 | penrod | KM0201: ~ 369M |
| 05:17.08 | KM0201 | seems to small to me |
| 05:17.21 | penrod | KM0201: /var & /usr have their own partitions |
| 05:17.26 | KM0201 | you need to find on /, what is taking up so much space |
| 05:17.53 | KM0201 | looks like /lib is 104mb |
| 05:19.55 | penrod | KM0201: yes, but there is 1 file that is ~134M and there is no name associated with it |
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| 05:22.17 | penrod | KM0201: I have 6 other boxes out there , partitioned the same way and I have never gone over 55% , except when I forget I can't put a "whack" of stuff in my home directory, even then I can go into my home directory and "blow it away" |
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| 05:25.48 | KM0201 | ken |
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| 05:37.34 | KM0201 | where's the bash_profile located? |
| 05:37.52 | metaphysician | KM0201: ~ |
| 05:38.25 | KM0201 | thats not a directory |
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| 05:40.06 | stew | KM0201: there typically isn't one unless you create one. there are /etc/profile and ~/.profile though |
| 05:40.16 | stew | and /etc/skel/.profile i suppose |
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| 05:41.37 | KM0201 | just trying to get x start automatically, says i need to add "startx" to bash_profile |
| 05:41.40 | KM0201 | but i'm not seeing that file. |
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| 05:42.59 | stew | KM0201: the file you are looking for is ~/.bash_profile, but since startx isn't bash specific it can go in ~/.profile |
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| 05:43.12 | stew | KM0201: but why not just run a display manager? |
| 05:43.35 | peterrooney | KM0201: the file should be ".bash_profile" - but why not just run GDM or KDM? |
| 05:43.43 | KM0201 | well, i added startx to /home/username/.profile and it did what i wanted to |
| 05:43.56 | stew | i disagree, the file should be .profile, not .bash_profile |
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| 05:53.09 | SuperPhly | Anyone here use Debian with Subsonic? It's crashing for me and I can't figure out why. Well, it's crashing after 30m of locking up the system so badly I can't ping the machine at times. |
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| 06:18.24 | KOJIbKA | hi all!:) |
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| 06:22.38 | hanibana | hi. how can I know about PHP configure options (when compile) of Debian 6.0 (displayed on its php info page or somewhere else...) ? I havenot any installed Squeeze. Any clue? |
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| 06:47.12 | Iridos | hanibana, you could look in the source package which contains all build scripts if you really want to bother that much... packages.debian.org debian specific stuff would be in debian/rules |
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| 06:49.24 | KM0201 | is there a way to use the business card ISO from USB? i used unetbootin, and it's stalling saying it cant find a cd rom drive |
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| 06:50.53 | dax | KM0201: dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX, same as other Debian ISOs |
| 06:51.16 | KM0201 | hmm, well why didn't unetbootin work? |
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| 06:51.54 | KM0201 | dax: will that overcome the error? |
| 06:52.05 | dax | because unetbootin is not very good |
| 06:52.19 | KM0201 | well, i can't argue with that |
| 06:52.39 | ompaul | facts - take them or leave them - leave them we might thing you are not a rational person |
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| 06:53.11 | dax | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 06:53.27 | dax | you will note that the documentation says to write directly to the USB stick, and does not mention unetbootin |
| 06:53.56 | KM0201 | lol, ok |
| 06:54.22 | dax | if you get bored and feel like making your life harder, you can instead do 4.3.2 and 4.3.3, which are probably close to what unetbootin does, except they actually work |
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| 07:00.23 | KM0201 | thanks dax .. don't know why i didn't think of dd before. |
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| 07:13.35 | fredl | is firebug not available for iceape on squeeze? |
| 07:14.06 | mm28 | ok so someone correct me if im going about this wrong but per google search i find that debian uses 250hz timer but after installing linux-source-3.2 and extracting... make nconfig shows 1000hz, this seems odd |
| 07:14.07 | fredl | I noticed I can find it for Seamonkey, which I guess is a version of Iceape? |
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| 07:15.12 | sney | fredl: the ice* applications are the same as the mozilla versions, the only difference is the name |
| 07:15.39 | fredl | okay |
| 07:15.42 | fredl | tnx sney |
| 07:15.45 | sney | fredl: so any seamonkey extensions will work in iceape as long as the versions match |
| 07:16.08 | sney | !why iceweasel |
| 07:16.08 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 07:17.33 | fredl | ugh. Firebug doesn't like the old squeeze version though. |
| 07:17.55 | fredl | 'not compatible with Iceape 2.0.11' |
| 07:18.01 | gnarface | firebug sucks |
| 07:18.11 | mm28 | i am using sid btw not sure if that matters here |
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| 07:19.06 | fredl | alright gnarface. |
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| 07:26.21 | fredl | ugh had to go back to a rather old version of firebug for iceape 2.0.11 |
| 07:26.55 | fredl | no iceape backport available either *grmbl* |
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| 07:28.29 | sney | ,checkbackport iceape |
| 07:28.47 | judd | Backporting package iceape in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
| 07:28.58 | sney | fredl: ^ just nobody's put the work in yet. |
| 07:29.12 | sney | if you have a toolchain and some time |
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| 07:37.49 | KM0201 | stew: (this worked fine in vbox)... now when i add "startx" to my usernames .profile, it doesn't work |
| 07:37.59 | KM0201 | i'm on my actual instlall now |
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| 07:41.17 | honschu | Hi, how to show all installed backport packages? |
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| 07:43.39 | vizzy_work | hi i try to make a simpüle debian package, but run into trouble |
| 07:43.40 | vizzy_work | http://nopaste.info/dc2b1828f9.html |
| 07:43.57 | vizzy_work | can someone point me in the right direction please? :) |
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| 07:46.25 | vagabon | hi, is there a maintainer of python-qt4 here ? |
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| 07:51.31 | genoskill | how can i open xterm on a specific directory |
| 07:53.45 | vizzy_work | ok, problem fixed, stupid dpkg mentions a not existing error in my config..... for some reason it doesnt allow trailing whitespaces in my very own configfile....., hey... too much 'magic' here |
| 07:54.10 | vizzy_work | dpkg shouldnt care about that, argh! |
| 07:54.10 | dpkg | i don't know, vizzy_work |
| 07:54.18 | vizzy_work | i know! |
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| 08:03.39 | pkkm | Should I install recommended packages when doing "aptitude upgrade" on a Debian 6 server? |
| 08:03.51 | dawud | genoskill: 'cd /some/path; xterm' , but, what's the use of it? |
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| 08:05.15 | dawud | pkkm: installing 'recommended' can save you a headache or two (plus it's possibly not too much space) |
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| 08:06.37 | genoskill | dawud: i want to do that from a contextual menu, so 'cd /some/path; xterm' doesn't work |
| 08:07.28 | dawud | honschu: check man aptitude, look for regular expressions |
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| 08:07.59 | dawud | genoskill: ah, ok. I'm not much a desktop user, I'm afraid I can't be of help here, sorry |
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| 08:09.22 | dawud | genoskill: but again, what's the benefit? an xterm is an xterm. just cd afterwards |
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| 08:13.14 | genoskill | dawud: it is to go to the directory of the file I select in an audio player, gmusicbrowser. it has a plugin called "export plugin" that allows me to execute commands on selected files. |
| 08:14.15 | dawud | genoskill: ah, thanks for explanation. sorry, I cant't help you :/ |
| 08:15.09 | genoskill | dawud: ok thanks anyways. :( |
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| 08:17.16 | heoa | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670633 <-- where can I get this patch? Or how to apply it? |
| 08:17.27 | heoa | mod-proxy-html/3.0.1-1.1 |
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| 08:24.56 | dawud | epsilon: no |
| 08:25.15 | dawud | epsilon: not yet, at least |
| 08:26.23 | dawud | heoa: isn't this what you want? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=63;filename=mod-proxy-html-3.0.1-1.1-nmu.diff;att=1;bug=670633 |
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| 08:26.59 | dawud | heoa: ah, no it's not |
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| 08:27.54 | heoa | dawud: http://pastie.org/4191786, probably this kind of thing libapache2-mod-proxy-html_3.0.1-1.1_i386.deb ? |
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| 08:28.32 | heoa | (I did: $ sudo dpkg -r libapache2-mod-proxy-html; sudo dpkg -i *.deb but getting some errs in pastie) |
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| 08:29.53 | dawud | heoa: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 08:30.23 | kade | hi |
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| 08:34.47 | heoa | dawud: http://pastie.org/4191822 <-- half-installed? |
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| 08:40.09 | dawud | what does dpkg -l say? |
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| 08:44.04 | VanDerSpar | Hi |
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| 08:45.52 | VanDerSpar | This might not be the right channel, but is there a way to see a summarization of CPU and memory usage when issuing "ps"? |
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| 08:47.06 | heoa | dawud: iU libapache2-mod-proxy-html:i386 3.0.1-1.1 Apache2 filter module for HTML links rewriting |
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| 08:54.22 | dawud | heoa: that mean Unpacked, but not installed |
| 08:54.28 | dawud | means* |
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| 08:57.31 | heoa | dawud: how can I install it? |
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| 09:12.59 | Charbolti | hi |
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| 09:13.16 | namoamitabuddha | Is wheezy frozen now? |
| 09:13.27 | peterrooney | VanDerSpar: yes, eg. ps f -eo uid,pid,ppid,%cpu,tname,command |
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| 09:27.49 | Woet | I'm completely missing /dev/urandom, how would I get it? |
| 09:27.53 | Woet | I do have /dev/random (and it is working) |
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| 09:28.43 | simonlnu | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 9 jui 2 18:57 /dev/urandom # mknod |
| 09:29.19 | Woet | simonlnu: excuse me? |
| 09:29.29 | Wulf | Woet: man mknod |
| 09:29.44 | Wulf | c 1 9 |
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| 09:55.11 | jubei | guys I'm trying to unmount a partition so that I can check it |
| 09:55.19 | jubei | but it says resources busy etc |
| 09:55.29 | jubei | even with -f it doesn't allow me |
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| 09:58.17 | gnarface | jubei: you are on that partition currently |
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| 09:59.09 | gnarface | like, you left a shell on with a current `pwd` somewhere on that partition |
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| 09:59.15 | sunshinehappy | hello |
| 09:59.16 | gnarface | it won't let you unmount it in that case |
| 09:59.27 | sunshinehappy | the debian live "CD" is seven hundred and EIGHTY megabytes |
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| 10:00.16 | kbar | sunshinehappy: heh. netinstall? |
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| 10:01.23 | sunshinehappy | yeah, I should really give that a go |
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| 10:01.41 | kbar | there are a lot of benefits to using netinstall |
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| 10:02.06 | epsilon | deban live is not only meant to burned on CD actually |
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| 10:02.24 | epsilon | some ISO are >1GB |
| 10:02.48 | _n_ | hi. I'm having weird DNS issues since an upgrade yesterday, maybe someone knows what might be happening? I have confirmed from another place, that the DNS servers I'm using are working, also I get ping responses from my local host. DNS lookups time out after a while though. |
| 10:03.25 | epsilon | what upgrade yesterday? |
| 10:03.28 | _n_ | nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf look normal, I didn't change anything there |
| 10:03.43 | _n_ | apt-get upgrade (using wheezy, hadn't upgraded in a while, was lots of packages) |
| 10:06.12 | _n_ | actually I'm running apt-get upgrade again now, it still has >200 packages to do, hopefully that fixes the issue. anyone else experienced DNS problems on wheezy recently? |
| 10:08.29 | intore | hi, could you help me about audio on my debian? it doesn't run |
| 10:09.04 | _n_ | intore, what have you tried so far? |
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| 10:10.12 | _n_ | intore, in most cases it's just "adduser <you> audio", then logout&login again :) |
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| 10:11.03 | intore | _n_, i installed pulseaudio. sometimes it runs but i don't understand the behavior |
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| 10:12.07 | PhoenixSTF | Good morning, I am trying to set up a Virtual Machine Server and i was wondering what is the best practice in terms of tecnology (kvm, xen) and storing (img, raw, LVM)? |
| 10:12.57 | _n_ | intore, have you checked in a mixer that nothing is muted? I've seen that happen randomly with pulseaudio sometimes... also make sure no other process uses alsa at the same time |
| 10:13.25 | intore | _n_, like alsamixer? |
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| 10:13.44 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: you'll find different opinions/use cases. Mine is: qemu-kvm + LVM2 |
| 10:14.30 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, got any tutorial or guide line for me to follow? |
| 10:14.56 | intore | _n_, uff, in alsamixer headphone and speaker were mute but why? |
| 10:15.20 | _n_ | intore, no idea :) did that fix your problem? |
| 10:15.30 | intore | _n_, yes thanks |
| 10:16.12 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: first off, you need to find if your hw supports it (most hw does, these days, although not every feature). let me look for a comprenhensive link |
| 10:16.38 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, its a hp prolient server, |
| 10:17.48 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: so... Intel Xeon? |
| 10:18.55 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, yes and SAS |
| 10:19.24 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, it can have 2 Xeon, but it only has one now... |
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| 10:19.36 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: anyways, you need to check what vt- extensions you CPU support, and also check your mobo's chipset (do you plan on using pci-passthough, for example?) |
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| 10:20.13 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: you should be good to go OOTB, there's a lot online WRT kvm on squeeze |
| 10:20.36 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: just be sure to get libvirt, virt-manager and friends |
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| 10:21.06 | PhoenixSTF | I realy dont need pci-passt, but it more than capable... these servers are almost certified for KVM |
| 10:21.22 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, friends? |
| 10:21.23 | PhoenixSTF | lol |
| 10:21.28 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: but again, this is my use case, don't forget to check other options as well (though virt-manager can use xen-based. lxc and qemu-kvm) |
| 10:21.39 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, or you could get Proxmox VE and have it all set up automagically... :P |
| 10:22.10 | dawud | PhoenixSTF: apt-cache search libvirt : |
| 10:22.19 | Rprp` | Hi. I've got a webserver with 6 cores + HT, for some reason it only is using the first core (1), why doesnt it spread it over all the cores? (i.e. 6 cores with 2% load instead 1 of 12%) - is this kernel/debian related or to http/mysql?: http://www.mupload.nl/img/5sqpugpdl.png |
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| 10:22.52 | ksk | Rprp`: you have no load. so there is nothing to do for the other cores, maybe? |
| 10:22.55 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, I am a Linux only kind of guy |
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| 10:23.38 | Rprp` | ksk: true, but sometimes it spikes to 80% for few seconds, there is no load - ofcourse, but is this just 1 single thread? Shouldnt it spread it across all the cores? |
| 10:24.01 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, yes, Proxmox VE is based on Debian |
| 10:24.23 | thewanderer1 | Rprp`, look at the top of your screenshot. it says: 1 task running. you can't parallelize 1 task. |
| 10:24.42 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, whats the catch... is it free? |
| 10:24.44 | _n_ | Is there a way to force *all* DNS queries to go via TCP. UDP packets seem to get lost for some reason and I can't really figure out why. Researching the problem is quite hard without DNS working :) |
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| 10:25.00 | thewanderer1 | Rprp`, this load appears to be coming from just 1 thread, nothing you can do about it - the load is still low, so why worry? |
| 10:25.25 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, it's free, yeah. they have commercial offerings, too - support, integration, appliances, etc. |
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| 10:25.59 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, I think I'll go hardcore debian apt-get install |
| 10:26.01 | Rprp` | ah thewanderer1 - I see, thanks about noticing, I am blind. Ofcourse its nothing to worry about, but I just thought it would spread it over all the cores instead of one, but with just 1 thread its logical |
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| 10:26.30 | PhoenixSTF | dawud thank you, I will give it a try out |
| 10:26.44 | PhoenixSTF | dawud, BTW whats the advantage in using LVM? |
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| 10:26.49 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, other than that, I used to use Debian Squeeze + KVM on LVM2 (with virt-manager, and libvirt) at home, now I store stuff on ZFS :P |
| 10:28.43 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, lvm better than IMG? and why zfs I though it was still under development |
| 10:29.42 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, confused it with HFS |
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| 10:29.55 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, with LVM, you avoid the additional overhead of going through file format->VFS->filesystem->block device layer and it goes straight: file format->block device |
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| 10:30.33 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, simpler to backup? |
| 10:31.02 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, no, just usual ZFS coolness... let me provide some rationale, http://rkaw.pl/?action=view&url=the-great-home-server-project---part-1 |
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| 10:32.58 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, and if you mean LVM2... it's all about performance, really, which is still not so stellar as described in my post :P |
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| 10:33.44 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, so zfs is also a lvm so it problably makes things easier on the system |
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| 10:34.25 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, what about BTRFS? Still unstable? |
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| 10:34.51 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, avoid. |
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| 10:36.55 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, you can browse other posts for hints on my setup if you'd like to go the heterogenous Debian+FreeBSD way, and I've done it once so feel free to ask. it's quite complex, but works for me :P |
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| 10:37.15 | mah454 | Where can download eyeos ? |
| 10:37.36 | mah454 | can not find link :( |
| 10:37.38 | thewanderer1 | mah454, eyeOS is not part of Debian, it's an independent Web application |
| 10:37.54 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, i'll try go gather more info and make my own solution that works for me thanks again ;) |
| 10:37.55 | mah454 | thewanderer1, only a question |
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| 10:39.59 | thewanderer1 | mah454, I know. they seem to have commercialized the product and stopped involvement in free software completely... |
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| 10:41.30 | thewanderer1 | mah454, I've got a 2.0 tarball if you're interested... Mar 24 2010 eyeOS-2.0.0.1.tar.gz |
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| 10:41.51 | thewanderer1 | there was a 3.0 release in the meantime, although not feature-complete |
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| 10:42.22 | thewanderer1 | oh, or maybe 2.0 was the incomplete one :P (anyway, I haven't got any older releases) |
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| 10:42.42 | mah454 | thewanderer1, ok , How can download it ? |
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| 10:44.17 | rzs19 | hello, i use iceweasel with indirect rendering and it takes 80% CPU, without any opened page, just about:config is opened. what the fuck is going on? the only plugin i use is firebug. chrome has the same problem, nothin is opened, just an empty page and it needs damn much cpu |
| 10:44.30 | mah454 | thewanderer1, can you give me link for download ? |
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| 10:44.42 | thewanderer1 | mah454, http://eyeos.gim11.pl/eyeOS-2.0.0.1.tar.gz please mirror if you can, since this project seems to be dead by now... |
| 10:45.15 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, what Debian release, desktop environment, and graphics drivers? |
| 10:45.16 | mah454 | thewanderer1, this is last version ? |
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| 10:45.55 | thewanderer1 | mah454, this is the last version I had in my backups - it's hard to find it on the Web, so I pulled it from a site we have deployed 2 years ago which still contained install files |
| 10:46.11 | rzs19 | debian squeeze nvidia, 295.53, TDE(KDE 3.5 fork) |
| 10:46.27 | rzs19 | client and server have the same glx version |
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| 10:46.55 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, you said client and server - are you using XDMCP and X11 over a network? |
| 10:47.30 | rzs19 | yep, its a virtual network, its on the same computer, the client is inside a lxc |
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| 10:48.08 | rzs19 | vlc is fast, anything is fast, except ff and chrome |
| 10:48.16 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, are you trying to use GLX over a network? that could suck CPU quite a lot |
| 10:48.20 | rzs19 | i alos tried virtualgl, inofficial nvidia glx support. |
| 10:48.54 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: yep i use it over a virtual network |
| 10:49.35 | mah454 | thank you :) |
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| 10:50.03 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: can you explain why it use much. it should "only" proxy the gl commands over X, or? |
| 10:50.06 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, I assume you've had to set an environment variable for GLX to work over a network - try unsetting it in a shell and launching the browsers then |
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| 10:50.28 | thewanderer1 | yes, "only" proxy - but there's probably quite a lot of commands :P |
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| 10:50.53 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: its just a god damn browser ... |
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| 10:51.46 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, I don't think anyone ever optimizes them for slow links, and Ethernet (even if virtual) has much worse speed figures than direct to PCI-E or such |
| 10:51.50 | pandaubuntu | hi, do you kown how /etc/fstab work in a live-ce, what is its content? |
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| 10:52.20 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, so I'd try disabling GLX over X11 globally and only enabling it for apps that really need it |
| 10:52.46 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: that maybe, i could underrstand when its slow, but why are my cores running amok, it "just" send the gl commands, over x11 and should not do software rendering. |
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| 10:56.13 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, which machine is there high load on? the one clients (browsers) run on, or the display machine? |
| 10:56.36 | rzs19 | on the client, the browser |
| 10:57.18 | rzs19 | the server is idle, except i start somethign that uses glx, like glxgears, than the server is under 100% |
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| 10:58.32 | davidgul | hello |
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| 10:59.53 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, by the server you mean the machine that receives GLX commands? |
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| 11:00.18 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, what variable did you use to enable remote GLX, anyway? |
| 11:00.30 | davidgul | i have an edimax ew-7612uan usb wifi card and my pc dont detect it ? some one can help me ? |
| 11:00.42 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 |
| 11:01.44 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, do the browsers behave better if you unset that variable and launch them? |
| 11:01.54 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: on the host there runs xorg, this xserver connects to the xdmcp server(tdm/kdm). the xdmp server is inside a lxc. |
| 11:02.07 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: no, nothing has changed |
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| 11:03.14 | thewanderer1 | then maybe the browser wasn't ever sending GLX commands in the first place :P |
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| 11:03.46 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: konquerors needs for the same site just 8% cpu, while chrome and ff takes consistently 70%, even i just open about:config |
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| 11:04.32 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, is that user CPU time, or kernel-mode? |
| 11:04.40 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: i disbaled inidrect rendering, i enabled it, i tried virtualgl, nothing changed. |
| 11:04.52 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, hey what partition table do you use best for lvm? |
| 11:04.59 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, (you should be able to gather averages using "time iceweasel", or something similar) |
| 11:05.07 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, doesn't matter. MBR is ok. |
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| 11:05.48 | davidgul | i have an a edimax ew-7612uan usb wifi card and my pc dont detect it ? some one can help me ? |
| 11:05.55 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, it says msdos aix amiga bla bla bla |
| 11:06.29 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, well, MSDOS = MBR |
| 11:06.37 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, right dossy |
| 11:06.44 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, sorry |
| 11:07.34 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, 10gb for the host enough??? |
| 11:07.34 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, have you tried starting iceweasel in safe mode, without plugins etc.? |
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| 11:07.42 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, I run my host in 800MB :P |
| 11:08.01 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: just firebug is enabled, nothing more is installed |
| 11:08.15 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: chrome has no plugin installed |
| 11:09.05 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: no flash, nothing... |
| 11:09.09 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, now you mentioned icewease, chromium and konqueror... two of those cause high CPU usage, and the same two use GTK, not Qt - could provide a hint |
| 11:09.43 | thewanderer1 | are you running Qt-GTK, or another adaptor from GTK styles to Qt? |
| 11:10.20 | thewanderer1 | try launching this under GNOME2 - I think it worked OK me last time I tried, and OpenArena worked over GLX too :P |
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| 11:11.58 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: they look quite ugly, so i don't think, but i will take a look... |
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| 11:12.18 | thewanderer1 | for now, I blame your issue on strange UI toolkit interactions, even if for the lack of a better idea... |
| 11:12.21 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: someyearsago, everything worked fine... |
| 11:13.22 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, something just occured to me - why are you running NVIDIA drivers inside the container, again? |
| 11:13.58 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure, but I'd try reverting the container to mesa if only the Hardware Node needs access to raw hardware |
| 11:14.16 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: i'm i just installed the glx libs from nvidia. |
| 11:14.52 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: they must be the same, or i'm wrong? |
| 11:14.56 | thewanderer1 | I know, and I just wonder if they are the culprit - in my tests, I'm pretty sure I was running mesa on the client machine |
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| 11:15.25 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, if you are chrooting, yes - but GLX should be fairly standardized, mesa should cooperate with NVIDIA's GLX, IIRC |
| 11:15.37 | Whiskey | Shuld not debian 7 be released soon ? |
| 11:15.50 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: i could remove it... |
| 11:15.52 | thewanderer1 | they need to be same if you're using direct rendering, that is, interfacing from the libraries directly to the hardware |
| 11:16.13 | thewanderer1 | but even then, the only thing that really needs to match is the kernel module version <> driver version :P |
| 11:16.16 | stew | Whiskey: define soon |
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| 11:16.38 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, so yeah, try with mesa inside the container |
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| 11:16.41 | Whiskey | well i don´tt know |
| 11:16.48 | Whiskey | is it any date set? |
| 11:16.57 | thewanderer1 | !tell whiskey about wir |
| 11:17.20 | Whiskey | lol |
| 11:17.27 | stew | Whiskey: no, that's not how it works in debian. we'll release when the release critical bug count is near zero |
| 11:17.48 | Whiskey | kk |
| 11:17.53 | stew | Whiskey: look at the green line here: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
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| 11:18.42 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: now client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI and the same behavior of ff... |
| 11:19.04 | Whiskey | thx |
| 11:19.52 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, is that still KDE, or another desktop environment? |
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| 11:20.07 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: its a kde 3.5 fork |
| 11:20.23 | rzs19 | everything works perfectly, except ff and chrome |
| 11:20.36 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, okay, could you try another desktop environment to see if it's interfering? |
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| 11:22.53 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: atm not, well another browser, like mirdoi makes no problems. |
| 11:24.10 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: if i remember correctly, at home it makes no problems, using the same setup |
| 11:24.34 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, which probably means there is something specific to iceweasel and chromium and how they render... |
| 11:24.42 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: maybe i should switch back to openlinux 2.4 and get happy... |
| 11:25.25 | thewanderer1 | or you could profile the execution of the browser and see which part uses excessive amounts of CPU :P |
| 11:25.45 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: well, i'm using xorg, becouse i need network transparency, i use chrome and ff, becouse there are running on x11 displays, but they don'T |
| 11:26.09 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475713 |
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| 11:26.53 | bjoernb | hi |
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| 11:27.11 | bjoernb | how do i check if a hard disk is near to a failure? |
| 11:27.23 | e-anima | why is it that if i do apt-get install X Y Z that it often wants to remove packages? i do not know what happens if it removes it, but it wants to |
| 11:27.40 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, it could be that this bug strikes back: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487635 -- or do you have some non-standard X library versions like xcb? |
| 11:27.44 | e-anima | like this: The following packages will be REMOVED: libbind9-50 libdns58 libisccfg50 libkrb53 |
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| 11:28.02 | Sevet | !t bjoernb smart |
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| 11:28.16 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: not so fast, i'm reading the first bugreport, you send me :) |
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| 11:28.21 | stew | e-anima: what is X Y and Z and what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:28.24 | Sevet | !tell bjoernb about smart |
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| 11:29.27 | e-anima | version: 6.0.4 |
| 11:29.40 | e-anima | and i did apt-get install openssl build-essential libssl-dev |
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| 11:30.05 | e-anima | i am curious because i have killed a system with just installing something and he removed stuff |
| 11:30.27 | stew | e-anima: what doees "apt-cache policy libssl-dev" say for "Candidate: ? |
| 11:31.06 | boudiccas | e-anima: who is 'he' ? |
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| 11:31.16 | e-anima | apt--get is he ^^ |
| 11:31.36 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: well, thats for lenny? shouldn't that bei fiexed in squeeze? |
| 11:31.37 | e-anima | policy: http://pastebin.com/J1DF8ric |
| 11:31.53 | e-anima | i am interested in getting the logic and how to do that in a clean way in general |
| 11:32.05 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, yes, it should have been, but you can never know if it didn't slip through in one form or another :P |
| 11:32.14 | e-anima | maybe you have some links, kewywords to goole |
| 11:32.27 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, I'm setting up a test environment to check this, gonna take some minutes |
| 11:32.38 | stew | e-anima: so you are in the process of partially upgrading from stable to unstable |
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| 11:32.47 | stew | e-anima: which is certainly not recommended |
| 11:32.48 | e-anima | sorry: http://pastebin.com/J1DF8ric |
| 11:33.05 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: do oyu remember, that guys, who said "it will make everything easier" |
| 11:33.19 | Sevet | e-nigma: you're mixing sid and squeeze entries. you should never never never do that. |
| 11:33.21 | rzs19 | "IT" not "it" |
| 11:33.22 | e-anima | so candidate is unstable |
| 11:33.38 | e-anima | Sevet ok, im going to edit my sources |
| 11:33.55 | bjoernb | Sevet: thanks |
| 11:34.10 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, this is still not so bad compared to sending GLX over smoke signals or 9600 baud radio :P |
| 11:34.13 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: any clue why we need fancy effects? |
| 11:34.17 | stew | e-anima: what version of libc6 is currently installed? |
| 11:34.44 | e-anima | Installed: 2.11.3-2 |
| 11:34.51 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, it's not fancy effects, it's how rendering of HTML elements works - and I think you chose a really bad page (about:config) for tests, since it contains loads of form elements |
| 11:36.54 | e-anima | stew thx, i uncommented the on-stable entry in the sources.list |
| 11:37.22 | e-anima | then there is no dependency,remove suggestions |
| 11:37.31 | stew | e-anima: you might run apt-show-versions to see what has already been "upgraded" to unstable |
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| 11:38.06 | e-anima | "apt-show-versions" is not a valid command here |
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| 11:38.18 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: er, there is the page before i see the form elements, the grid |
| 11:38.23 | stew | e-anima: then you'd have to install apt-show-versions |
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| 11:38.38 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: so it needs always 80% cpu, even if not page is opened, it should be idle |
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| 11:39.37 | e-anima | so if apt-show-versions | grep unstable ,returns nothing its ok i guess |
| 11:40.25 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, and if you minimize the window? does it also consume CPU power? |
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| 11:40.55 | Sevet | e-anima: try 'grep sid' too |
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| 11:41.28 | e-anima | both nothing, so i am good |
| 11:41.33 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: yep it needs thesame cpu power asbefore |
| 11:41.38 | stew | e-anima: what about "apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate" |
| 11:41.38 | Sevet | great :) |
| 11:41.39 | Sevet | e-anima: also since you're on 6.0.4, you might want to install all the available updates (there's been a 6.0.5 release) |
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| 11:42.08 | stew | i believe that it wouldn't know to say "sid" if there are no sources for sid |
| 11:42.39 | e-anima | thank you starenka |
| 11:42.46 | e-anima | ops, i mean stew |
| 11:43.04 | Sevet | ^^ i think stew is right. it'll also show anything you installed locally from a .deb |
| 11:43.37 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, perhaps the CPU usage doesn't stem from display, then? |
| 11:43.55 | thewanderer1 | maybe it's doing something in the background... |
| 11:44.10 | Sevet | rzs19: just to rule it out, run date -s "`date`" |
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| 11:44.18 | edodrago | ciao |
| 11:44.26 | edodrago | !list |
| 11:44.27 | dpkg | edodrago: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:44.39 | e-anima | are you talking about that "additional second" thing? |
| 11:44.43 | Sevet | yes |
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| 11:45.33 | e-anima | i did this: http://blog.netways.de/2012/07/01/leap-second-problem-auf-debian-und-anderen/ |
| 11:45.43 | e-anima | well its german but the command i used posted there |
| 11:46.03 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, what kind of "grid" do you see at the start of iceweasel? I think what you said has escaped me O.o |
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| 11:46.57 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: the about:config grid |
| 11:47.09 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: and the screen before, this warning crean |
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| 11:47.37 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, hmm ok. have you tried date -s "`date`", as suggested by Sevet? |
| 11:47.42 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: grid, table, call it whatevery you want, i tried html sites, emtpy start site |
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| 11:49.46 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, hmm ok, I was scared that you'd be seeing the Chromium-style "last viewed pages" in iceweasel :D |
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| 11:50.56 | yrrep | maybe a stupid question, but i want a standard debian squeeze iso, for my server (shell/ssh only) no kde/gnome, which one do i have to download? (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4-live/amd64/) |
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| 11:51.53 | Sevet | yrrep: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:52.44 | yrrep | thanks. |
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| 11:54.31 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, I've just launched Iceweasel over XDMCP on my install, it works OK, although CPU usage is a bit high (30%) when scrolling fast. |
| 11:55.07 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, what you have left to try is a different desktop environment - KDE3 could interfere with GTK |
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| 11:55.30 | thewanderer1 | (and I haven't got KDE3 handy to verify that guess) |
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| 12:08.09 | fasta | Which files determine whether a user exist on Debian? |
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| 12:08.58 | stew | fasta: typically /etc/passwd |
| 12:09.09 | innociv | "E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'kfreebsd-source-8.2' |
| 12:09.10 | innociv | " but... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/kfreebsd-source-8.2 |
| 12:09.27 | innociv | Am I missing something in my list |
| 12:09.30 | innociv | ?* |
| 12:09.35 | Sevet | innociv: 1) have you added squeeze-backports to /etc/apt/sources.list, 2) did you apt-get update |
| 12:09.47 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: http://trinitydesktop.org/ debian packages, well at home i have not a so high cpu usage. its almost the same setup. |
| 12:10.04 | fasta | stew: it's more than just that. |
| 12:10.07 | Sevet | innociv: -backports are special... http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:10.16 | innociv | Thanks! |
| 12:10.17 | fasta | stew: (which is why I asked) |
| 12:10.20 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: atm i can not try so much :/ |
| 12:10.25 | innociv | Ack, it's down |
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| 12:10.49 | stew | fasta: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 12:11.02 | stew | fasta: which says whether or not /etc/passwd is really the one |
| 12:11.17 | stew | fasta: if it has "passwd: compat" then yes, it is /etc/passwd |
| 12:11.20 | Sevet | innociv: backports-master.debian.org? it's up for me |
| 12:11.26 | innociv | I found another instructions page though |
| 12:11.37 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, try moving your home setup to the current environment, then? :P |
| 12:11.54 | Sevet | but you want to add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" then "apt-get update" then "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install $packagename" |
| 12:12.06 | innociv | And it just went back up |
| 12:12.11 | fasta | stew: hmm, ok. And how can I reset the root password for a chroot? |
| 12:12.20 | innociv | just apt-get install seemed to get the package fine |
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| 12:12.30 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: would be a solution :D and thanks for your help |
| 12:13.02 | stew | fasta: run "passwd" in the chroot |
| 12:13.43 | rzs19 | thewanderer1: so, from where are you? |
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| 12:15.53 | Sevet | innociv: probably it's the only version. -t just tells it you do want the backported version because pinning means if there's a squeeze and a squeeze-backports version it'll use the squeeze one by default |
| 12:16.02 | innociv | Yeah |
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| 12:19.24 | innociv | Erm. Seems I need glibc-devel to compile soemthing, and I can't find that one |
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| 12:21.08 | fasta | stew: neither of those files contains any password hashes. So how can that be the answer? |
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| 12:23.18 | thewanderer1 | rzs19, social goes to #debian-offtopic :P |
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| 12:23.51 | pk1001100011 | When I want to compile an app I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz What to do? |
| 12:23.52 | stew | fasta: most of the users on your system don't have passwords |
| 12:23.57 | stew | fasta: i'm sure that is the answer |
| 12:24.03 | stew | fasta: perhaps you are asking the wrong question |
| 12:24.35 | fasta | stew: the problem I have is that I don't want to manage multiple passwords for multiple development chroots. |
| 12:25.03 | fasta | stew: so, when I say 'make_me_a_new_chroot stable /mydir', I want it to be setup completely. |
| 12:25.16 | thewanderer1 | fasta, the existence of a given user is determined by calls to glibc function getpwent() on Debian |
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| 12:26.06 | innociv | I'm getting "/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory" when trying to compile dtrace. |
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| 12:26.25 | thewanderer1 | ,file stubs-32.h |
| 12:26.32 | judd | Search for stubs-32.h in squeeze/i386: libc6-dev: usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h |
| 12:26.41 | innociv | I have build-essential installed. |
| 12:26.44 | thewanderer1 | ,file --arch=amd64 stubs-32.h |
| 12:26.48 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 12:26.59 | innociv | libc6-dev is installed as well. |
| 12:27.10 | abrotman | !tell innociv about apt-file |
| 12:27.19 | fasta | stew: does Ubuntu do this differently? |
| 12:27.35 | abrotman | fasta: ask them, not us |
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| 12:28.05 | innociv | What am I supposed to search for? I can just search online without installing that. |
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| 12:28.27 | thewanderer1 | innociv, packages.debian.org, search for package contents |
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| 12:28.37 | abrotman | innociv: your arch may not have that file .. |
| 12:28.43 | innociv | Search them for what? |
| 12:28.52 | thewanderer1 | innociv, well, what header file was missing? :P |
| 12:29.09 | innociv | I don't know.. glibc-devel? |
| 12:29.59 | thewanderer1 | innociv: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory -- this is the file that you are looking for in packages :P |
| 12:30.02 | fasta | stew: My Debian Stable chroot stores them in /etc/shadow |
| 12:30.06 | innociv | Er, yeah. |
| 12:30.20 | fasta | stew: so, why do you say it's /etc/password? |
| 12:30.23 | innociv | But is this not how I'm supposed to search? http://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=en&P=usr%2Finclude%2Fgnu%2Fstubs-32.h |
| 12:30.30 | fasta | stew: er passwd |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | innociv: apt-file is generally better IMO |
| 12:30.43 | innociv | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.debian.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fomega%3FDB%3Den%26P%3Dusr%252Finclude%252Fgnu%252Fstubs-32.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any oh here |
| 12:30.46 | innociv | But still empty |
| 12:30.53 | innociv | er wait |
| 12:31.12 | innociv | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=usr%2Finclude%2Fgnu%2Fstubs-32.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any I see |
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| 12:31.37 | abrotman | and this is why we use apt-file .. so we don't end up with 31 ugly URLs in the channel :) |
| 12:31.38 | innociv | Which one though? "libc0.1-dev-i386 [kfreebsd-amd64]"? |
| 12:31.47 | abrotman | innociv: use apt-file! |
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| 12:31.51 | innociv | :/ |
| 12:31.53 | abrotman | don't guess at which files belong to you |
| 12:31.59 | abrotman | don't download random packages |
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| 12:32.39 | thewanderer1 | innociv, well, I suppose you are on amd64... the site tells you that on amd64, this file is available in package libc6-dev-i386 |
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| 12:33.08 | abrotman | assumes innociv is on s390 |
| 12:33.17 | innociv | you're right, apt-file search is nice |
| 12:33.31 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, ooo, I want one :P |
| 12:34.11 | innociv | Now I get "make[2]: *** [../build-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64/libctf.a(uncompress.o)] Error 1". Maybe this is made for 32bit? |
| 12:34.21 | innociv | Google doesn't bring up much |
| 12:34.51 | innociv | oh wait |
| 12:34.53 | abrotman | what are you compiling ? |
| 12:35.07 | innociv | dtrace |
| 12:35.12 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:35.55 | innociv | http://www.jquantlib.org/index.php/Installing_DTrace_on_Debian |
| 12:36.00 | thewanderer1 | innociv, fix the source to support 64-bit operation :) |
| 12:36.13 | innociv | I need zlib something or other. Got it. |
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| 12:41.13 | stew | fasta: I don't know about ubuntu |
| 12:41.38 | fasta | stew: I am talking about a Debian Stable chroot. |
| 12:41.39 | stew | fasta: a user doesn't need an entry in /etc/shadow to be a valid user |
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| 12:41.54 | stew | i'm talking about < fasta> stew: does Ubuntu do this differently? |
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| 12:42.01 | stew | the answer to that question is "i have no idea" |
| 12:42.21 | fasta | stew: ok, never mind. I already know it myself anyway. |
| 12:42.34 | fasta | stew: thanks for your help. |
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| 12:44.36 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/rsrJc46Q I can't find the error here. I don't see that I'm missing anything, it just seems to fail on its own. |
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| 12:52.34 | thewanderer1 | innociv, and "error: 'NR_ia32_clone' undeclared (first use in this function)" is not an error at all? :D |
| 12:52.52 | thewanderer1 | this uses 32-bit syscalls, you're not going to make it work on amd64 easily. |
| 12:52.54 | innociv | Well it is |
| 12:53.20 | innociv | But it's nothing I can fix easily :p |
| 12:53.24 | innociv | That I can see.. |
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| 12:53.41 | innociv | Do I have to use 32bit debian? |
| 12:54.01 | thewanderer1 | innociv, if you want DTrace, use Debian/kFreeBSD already |
| 12:54.22 | innociv | Hm? |
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| 12:55.15 | innociv | I installed kfreebsd-source-8.2. |
| 12:55.25 | innociv | On Debian. |
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| 12:55.33 | Sevet | are you running kfreebsd though? |
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| 12:56.15 | innociv | Er, maybe not. I don't know, so probably not. |
| 12:56.17 | Sevet | that's just the kernel source code and isn't anything to do with what you're currently using or the headers installed elsewhere |
| 12:56.28 | innociv | I followed this http://www.jquantlib.org/index.php/Installing_DTrace_on_Debian |
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| 12:58.44 | thewanderer1 | innociv, its source code assumes that you are on ia32, fix the source or leave it :P |
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| 12:59.15 | innociv | So my options are modifying the source code and then compiling, which I probably don't have to do, or I have to use 32bit debian. |
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| 13:00.07 | thewanderer1 | 32-bit Debian kind of defies the purpose, since you'll want to use DTrace for performance optimization, and server programs typically benefit greatly from amd64 :P |
| 13:00.23 | innociv | Heh |
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| 13:00.44 | thewanderer1 | so, uhm, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-kfreebsd-amd64-netinst.iso :P |
| 13:01.06 | innociv | I'll see if there are AMIs in Amazon EC2.. |
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| 13:03.09 | abrotman | innociv: what are you trying to track? could you use a chroot? |
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| 13:03.17 | innociv | node.js |
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| 13:03.35 | innociv | http://blog.nodejs.org/2012/04/25/profiling-node-js/ |
| 13:03.47 | innociv | The other profilers for node are pretty poor. |
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| 13:03.48 | echo083 | to use the root user should i use "su root" or "sudo su" or just "su" ? |
| 13:03.49 | abrotman | doesn't answer my question really ... |
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| 13:04.09 | abrotman | echo083: 'su - root' if you want the full environment |
| 13:04.24 | echo083 | abramart, why the dash "-" ? |
| 13:04.31 | echo083 | abrotman, * |
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| 13:04.41 | abrotman | man su |
| 13:04.51 | echo083 | abrotman, ok ok |
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| 13:05.21 | echo083 | abrotman, to have a similar environment ok you already told me |
| 13:05.28 | echo083 | abramart, cool thanks |
| 13:05.36 | echo083 | abrotman, ***** |
| 13:05.38 | abrotman | !beer abramart |
| 13:05.39 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Black Tuesday for abramart |
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| 13:06.29 | innociv | No kfreeBSD amis for Amazon EC2. :/ |
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| 13:07.14 | JaSeR | hi there |
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| 13:07.25 | JaSeR | does anybody have a second for a XEN bridge-network question? http://serverfault.com/questions/404346/xen-hvm-windows-2008-network-bridge thanks |
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| 13:07.57 | innociv | I'm not sure there is a way for me to set up a custom image |
| 13:08.27 | abrotman | a chroot ? |
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| 13:10.33 | innociv | http://michaelnovi.com/2011/creating-an-instance-backed-ami-from-scratch/ Seems a bit complicated. |
| 13:10.35 | justin | you can't chroot kfreebsd on linux |
| 13:10.52 | justin | http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/ is your best bet |
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| 13:11.31 | innociv | I'm used to using debian, though. |
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| 13:11.52 | justin | but you want dtrace... |
| 13:11.59 | innociv | haha |
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| 13:13.12 | echo083 | abrotman, can you please tell by what was replaced xsane for the scanner management ? i made a manual package and didn't have it installed |
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| 13:13.45 | abrotman | AFAIK, xsane .. i don't own a scanner or printer |
| 13:13.53 | abrotman | (yay me!) |
| 13:14.04 | echo083 | abrotman, too bad |
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| 13:14.22 | echo083 | abramart, i'll dig google nevermind ;) thanks anyway |
| 13:14.23 | thewanderer1 | xsane is still the tool for scanning |
| 13:14.50 | echo083 | thewanderer1, i made a full install and it was replaced by something i remember |
| 13:15.24 | echo083 | thewanderer1, let me google and tell you |
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| 13:16.04 | innociv | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/php5-fpm erm, where does it show what I need in sources for this? |
| 13:16.18 | innociv | Can't even locate mysql. |
| 13:16.28 | ksk | innociv: what? |
| 13:17.08 | dondelelcaro | innociv: that package is only in wheezy and sid |
| 13:17.17 | innociv | Why isn't it in squeeze? |
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| 13:17.20 | dondelelcaro | innociv: if you want it for stable, you'll have to backport it |
| 13:17.21 | innociv | Either of them |
| 13:17.35 | dondelelcaro | innociv: mysql is in squeeze. |
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| 13:17.40 | ksk | mysql is in squeeze, see package "mysql-server" |
| 13:17.48 | stew | innociv: at the time squeeze was frozen php5-fpm was in its infancy |
| 13:17.52 | innociv | Ah yeah |
| 13:18.24 | grawity | On a 64-bit Debian sid system, how can I compile a program in 32-bit mode? |
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| 13:18.52 | nsadmin | =grawity, get a chroot |
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| 13:19.31 | innociv | dondelelcaro, how do I do that? |
| 13:20.03 | grawity | nsadmin: Aside from that? :/ I thought it can be done with just some special CFLAGS like -m32, though I can't get `ld` to accept that |
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| 13:20.04 | dondelelcaro | grawity: or use a crossbuilding environment |
| 13:20.05 | innociv | Nevermind. |
| 13:20.29 | dondelelcaro | grawity: but what in particular are you trying to do? |
| 13:21.00 | echo083 | thewanderer1, now it is simple-scan the default scanner manager |
| 13:21.10 | nsadmin | grawity, you'll have to find out whether the compiler that ships with amd64 will do i386 and how you can do that. |
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| 13:22.11 | grawity | dondelelcaro: Trying to compile a rather old IRC server (csircd-1.14); normally it compiles but segfaults when accepting a connection, and I think it could be that it was only written/tested on 32-bit systems |
| 13:22.35 | justin | grawity: why not use one of the irc servers packaged in debian? |
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| 13:23.39 | grawity | justin: Because they're not csircd. I'm not setting up a production network, just want to try this one specifically. (Comparing features in all kinds of IRC servers, you could say.) |
| 13:24.06 | justin | grawity: well you tried it.. it segfaulted |
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| 13:24.34 | grawity | justin: Now I want to try again with -m32 and the like |
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| 13:25.12 | grawity | It actually causes a whole ton of "mismatched type" warnings to disappear. |
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| 13:25.26 | nsadmin | you would need the libs it needs in their 32bit versions |
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| 13:25.54 | PhoenixSTF | I am having a bit of an issue with LVM, since its my 1st time with it should be a mistake of mine, I created a system partition ext3, and the rest a LVM partition, but when I try to pvcreate /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 it says 'not found or ignored by filtering', what am I doing wrong? |
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| 13:26.33 | justin | PhoenixSTF: /dev/cciss ? |
| 13:26.45 | stew | justin: its a compaq raid controller |
| 13:26.57 | PhoenixSTF | justin, its a HP proliant server with a RAID controler |
| 13:27.04 | justin | i see |
| 13:27.10 | PhoenixSTF | thanks stew ^^ |
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| 13:27.21 | justin | well, /etc/lvm/lvm.conf has filters for ignoring certain devices |
| 13:28.01 | justin | though it should match everything by default |
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| 13:28.29 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, so the message mentions two possibilities... either no such, or filtered out |
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| 13:28.49 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, yes but the drive is there |
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| 13:29.16 | PhoenixSTF | i got filter=[ "a/.*/" ] |
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| 13:30.20 | PhoenixSTF | is it because of layer depth? its not /dev/sd* its /dev/cciss/c* |
| 13:30.24 | ukl | hello. I'm completely lost on this issue: Is it possible to change policykit settings dynamically? E.g. have some script raise the needed authorisation to shutdown the system for a certain time? |
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| 13:31.09 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, [ -d /dev/cciss ] && echo yes |
| 13:31.12 | ukl | I find lots of documentation on localauthority config files, but no way to change it dynamically. (The implicit question is "Am I asking for something stupid?") |
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| 13:32.33 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, where I put that? |
| 13:32.49 | nsadmin | in your shell |
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| 13:33.25 | nsadmin | you didn't say, btw, whether you have a debian installed with this raid controller in the box, or whether you're installing a new debian |
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| 13:33.43 | PhoenixSTF | its debian already installed |
| 13:34.00 | nsadmin | ok, cool. so you can put that in any shell |
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| 13:34.25 | nsadmin | you'll either get nothing or yes |
| 13:34.34 | PhoenixSTF | got yes |
| 13:34.38 | PhoenixSTF | but still not working |
| 13:34.52 | nsadmin | ok, sec |
| 13:35.12 | PhoenixSTF | i really messed something up right? |
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| 13:35.37 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, [ -e /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 ] && echo yes |
| 13:35.44 | nsadmin | not sure. |
| 13:36.04 | nsadmin | good chance the driver is present |
| 13:36.14 | PhoenixSTF | got nothing |
| 13:36.21 | PhoenixSTF | ??? |
| 13:36.28 | grawity | ukl: It'll be possible in future polkit versions (which use javascript instead of .pkla files), but AFAIK, impossible with what Debian has (static .pkla files) |
| 13:36.32 | dondelelcaro | PhoenixSTF: by default nothing should be filtered; what is the exact error that pvcreate gives you? |
| 13:36.42 | PhoenixSTF | the driver has to be present be c0d0p1 is the / |
| 13:36.44 | abramart | abrotman, cheers! |
| 13:36.45 | dondelelcaro | PhoenixSTF: can you less -f /dev/ccis/c0d0p2 ? |
| 13:37.01 | nsadmin | oh no... there's two of them |
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| 13:38.17 | PhoenixSTF | ok the drive has 2 partitions, part 1 is the / ext3 system, part 2 made LVM partition |
| 13:38.29 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, so the array is up and there's stuff on it? |
| 13:39.14 | ukl | grawity: thanks a lot, I'd never have found this information with google. |
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| 13:39.55 | ukl | grawity: might there be some other service I should talk to? I'm using KDE, maybe they have something specific... (I'll try their channel...) |
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| 13:40.45 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, yes |
| 13:40.49 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, what does "ls -l /dev/cciss/c0d0p2" say? |
| 13:41.03 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, take a look in /dev/cciss maybe with ls... how many things are there? |
| 13:41.31 | grawity | dondelelcaro, nsadmin: in the end, it turns out that -m32 didn't work because the poorly-written Makefile ignored LDFLAGS :/ |
| 13:41.49 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, not there....... what the......... |
| 13:42.13 | PhoenixSTF | fdisk -l has the partition there |
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| 13:42.23 | PhoenixSTF | but in the folder is not... |
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| 13:43.03 | nsadmin | grawity, you could make an i386 chroot with just enough to build the package |
| 13:43.05 | JaSeR | does anybody have a second for a XEN bridge-network question? http://serverfault.com/questions/404346/xen-hvm-windows-2008-network-bridge thanks |
| 13:43.16 | PhoenixSTF | does this has anything to do with me creating the primary partition number 1 at the end of the hard drive |
| 13:43.17 | nsadmin | (that is how the autobuilders work_ |
| 13:43.18 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 13:44.06 | PhoenixSTF | ohhh |
| 13:44.09 | PhoenixSTF | darn |
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| 13:44.18 | PhoenixSTF | fdisk warning |
| 13:44.29 | PhoenixSTF | old table |
| 13:44.31 | PhoenixSTF | crap |
| 13:44.43 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, use kpartx to reload it :P |
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| 13:45.14 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, installling |
| 13:45.29 | PhoenixSTF | <-------------------------- dum as a door sorry guys |
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| 13:45.55 | thewanderer1 | at least maintain a sunny disposition, and it'll be alright |
| 13:46.18 | PhoenixSTF | oh its very sunny here, almost tropical ;) |
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| 13:48.02 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, ty sorry stupis mistake |
| 13:48.30 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, glad to hear you got it... no, not stupid. you found the problem... |
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| 13:48.51 | nsadmin | truthfully, I did think of the possibility but didn't know raid is subject to it |
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| 13:49.07 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, yes I did, the guy who is working with the thing ;) |
| 13:50.11 | Wooga | hi, does `fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image` taking in account interrupted build, resuming to the moment it was interrupted? |
| 13:50.18 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, so i do kpartx -av /dev/cciss/c0d0 ? |
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| 13:50.48 | nsadmin | Wooga, maybe... alto, it might make clean |
| 13:51.41 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, yeah |
| 13:51.47 | Wooga | :/ |
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| 13:53.05 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, still not there |
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| 13:53.46 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, well, did it list the device that it would add? |
| 13:53.55 | PhoenixSTF | yes |
| 13:54.02 | thewanderer1 | and didn't add it? |
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| 13:54.20 | PhoenixSTF | add map c0d0p2 (0:0) |
| 13:54.44 | PhoenixSTF | nop |
| 13:54.52 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, and it's not present in /dev/cciss? well, how about directly in /dev? |
| 13:55.11 | PhoenixSTF | neither though about that 2 |
| 13:55.35 | thewanderer1 | I wonder what it did, then :P |
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| 13:55.46 | PhoenixSTF | restart the server then |
| 13:55.48 | PhoenixSTF | :( |
| 13:55.57 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 14:09.30 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, just installed Python and I got this message: INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?) |
| 14:09.43 | Ephexeve | How can I install Python 2.7? is there any tutorial? |
| 14:11.03 | brokencycle | hi! |
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| 14:15.27 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python |
| 14:15.28 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-1 |
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| 14:17.06 | thewanderer1 | somebody's mixing releases... |
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| 14:17.47 | PaulePanter | Hi. klogd consumes 100 % for the last 10 minutes. Attaching with GDB does not help since there are no debugging symbols there. |
| 14:17.59 | PaulePanter | This is Debian Sid/unstable. Any hints how to debug this? |
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| 14:19.45 | jhutchins_lt | PaulePanter: Well, install the debugging symbols? |
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| 14:20.11 | PaulePanter | jhutchins_lt: There is no package. |
| 14:20.31 | yogi | anybody here using selinux? I enabled httpd_enable_homedirs, and root can see that my public_html context is staff_u:object_r:httpd_user_content_t:s0 but the user itself sees only d?????????? ? ? ? 0 ? ? public_html |
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| 14:20.48 | JaSeR | does anybody have a second for a XEN bridge-network question? http://serverfault.com/questions/404346/xen-hvm-windows-2008-network-bridge thanks |
| 14:20.52 | yogi | am I missing any modules (plain Debian Squeeze here) |
| 14:21.17 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, you'd probably have to compile it yourself with debugging flags |
| 14:21.50 | yogi | how can I enable an user to view and modify httpd_user_content_t ? |
| 14:21.57 | bzed | yogi: that is security by obscurity, it must be a feature !!!111!1!1!11! |
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| 14:22.39 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Understood. Not the answer I was looking for though. ;-) |
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| 14:23.22 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, hmm, attach with strace and check what syscalls it uses |
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| 14:24.20 | yogi | ugh... http://www.martinorr.name/selinux/patches/654_httpd_user_content |
| 14:24.46 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: I will try both suggestions. |
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| 14:26.16 | PhoenixSTF | anyone knows a good kickstart or minimal instalation script for Virtual Machines? |
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| 14:26.31 | PhoenixSTF | under KVM? |
| 14:26.44 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, debian-installer is not good enough? :P |
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| 14:28.12 | Gx4 | default cd offers kde? so debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso offers xfce or lxde ? |
| 14:28.19 | belak | Alright, I'm not sure if this is a configuration issue or something else, but as soon as I upgraded to wheezy, my cgi scripts stopped working with fcgiwrap... any idea why this would be? |
| 14:28.33 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, i am a bit noobie in this area debian-installer like the normal one net-install? |
| 14:28.58 | thewanderer1 | Gx4, default CD offers GNOME, but one CD is not enough for a full install. just use net install or DVD1. |
| 14:28.59 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1, jhutchins_lt: Looking at `debian/rules` there is the following. |
| 14:29.02 | PaulePanter | ifneq (,$(findstring debug,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) |
| 14:29.03 | PaulePanter | CFLAGS = -g -O2 -Wall $(shell getconf LFS_CFLAGS) |
| 14:29.03 | PaulePanter | else |
| 14:29.03 | PaulePanter | CFLAGS = -O2 -Wall $(shell getconf LFS_CFLAGS) |
| 14:29.03 | PaulePanter | endif |
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| 14:29.23 | PaulePanter | Sorry. |
| 14:29.32 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, it looks obvious, no? |
| 14:29.50 | Gx4 | thewanderer1, my old pc probably does not support dvd's :D |
| 14:30.00 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Somehow I have to pass debug. |
| 14:30.24 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug", as shown in the source... |
| 14:30.40 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
| 14:30.53 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, just create a new VM in libvirt (using virt-manager), mount Debian ISO in it and install as usual |
| 14:32.45 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, thanks |
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| 14:33.20 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, any script to shrink the installation to the bare minimum? |
| 14:34.17 | nsadmin | the bare minimum is the base, which is waht's on the cd |
| 14:34.42 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, simply install from netinst, and don't chose any package sets - that is the workable minimum |
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| 14:36.26 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1, jhutchins_lt: Installing the manually build package (with debug) killed the process. |
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| 14:37.59 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, well, it's supposed to be restarted on install, so that you can replace it with the new version :P |
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| 14:40.04 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Somehow installing just the debugging symbols should have prevented that. |
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| 14:42.35 | jitu | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 14:52.26 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, can u paravirtualize under KVM? |
| 14:53.14 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, nevermind, found out |
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| 14:53.51 | thewanderer1 | virtio and KVM_CLOCK basically sums it up for paravirt :P |
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| 14:55.32 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, well xen and openvz are paravirt, i was hoping that KVM would do the same.... |
| 14:55.54 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, KVM is faster than Xen and OpenVZ is defunct, there you go |
| 14:56.35 | thewanderer1 | (also, why do you need paravirt if you're on a Xeon? :P ) |
| 14:56.49 | PhoenixSTF | what about LXC? |
| 14:57.29 | PhoenixSTF | why? maybe I am missed informed but isn't paravirt more efficient that full virt? |
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| 14:59.18 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, well, KVM already has nearly bare-metal performance, since it uses the CPU's hardware extensions |
| 15:00.11 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, LXC is not ready yet - you can use it for your own apps, but running full OSes or untrusted programs inside is not advised |
| 15:00.30 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, so VX-T and AMD-V no problem, if not then paravirt with openvz |
| 15:00.30 | Pontus | PhoenixSTF, Yes but you need to run modified for the most of the solutions running paravirt |
| 15:00.33 | Zharf | really, would you trust your own programs? |
| 15:00.59 | PhoenixSTF | KVM it is... |
| 15:01.02 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, well, yes. and be prepared that OpenVZ will disappear in Wheezy. |
| 15:01.02 | PhoenixSTF | thanks guys |
| 15:01.11 | PhoenixSTF | ouch |
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| 15:01.35 | PhoenixSTF | well 3.2 kernel is coming with wheezy so I am glad... |
| 15:01.49 | thewanderer1 | I'm preparing for it myself, too - nothing to do with those 30 containers here |
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| 15:03.53 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680099 |
| 15:03.58 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Thanks for your help. |
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| 15:05.04 | oliver117 | excuse me please, concerning virtualbox, there is only a fairly old version in stable which breaks my pc |
| 15:05.14 | oliver117 | (unregister_netdevice issue) |
| 15:05.28 | oliver117 | when is there going to be an update in experimental/unstable/testing? |
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| 15:06.26 | pparadis | oliver117: 4.1.16 is in wheezy right now. |
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| 15:06.40 | oliver117 | whupppss |
| 15:06.40 | pparadis | oliver117: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/virtualbox-ose |
| 15:06.55 | oliver117 | sorry, I didn't search for the right package name |
| 15:07.00 | oliver117 | thank you |
| 15:07.04 | pparadis | sure thing |
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| 15:08.47 | oliver117 | stupid, now either I get the sid version which happens to have a lot of bugs, or I stay with my version which breaks my machine, or I install an older kernel.. |
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| 15:09.41 | oliver117 | have a nice day |
| 15:09.44 | Sevet | check squeeze-backports |
| 15:09.47 | Sevet | hmm |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:09.55 | abrotman | i don't think they've done a backport for that |
| 15:10.10 | abrotman | oh .. i lie |
| 15:10.16 | Sevet | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/virtualbox-ose 4.0.10 |
| 15:10.17 | Sevet | :) |
| 15:10.34 | Sevet | guessing he's going to try installing the sid version on squeeze now... |
| 15:11.39 | WinstonSmith | prefers the vbox packages from virtualbox.org. the distro-maintained packages tend to have problems |
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| 15:12.06 | WinstonSmith | ah he already left :/ |
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| 15:15.44 | JasonWoof | is there some way I can stop my screen from blanking ever again? |
| 15:15.49 | JasonWoof | every few months it starts doing it again |
| 15:15.55 | JasonWoof | I've uninstalled xscreensaver |
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| 15:16.37 | JasonWoof | I run these as soon as X starts: xset s off; xset -dpms |
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| 15:18.03 | lapsusbrutus | how can I check what font my console uses? Want to use it on terminal emulator on x.. looks soo much better than what I have :) "console-data" is for keyboard settings only it seems |
| 15:18.04 | Ariii | \] |
| 15:18.40 | Ariii | ]]]' |
| 15:18.50 | Ariii | ]]]'''''''' |
| 15:19.21 | stew | hello, Ariii's cat |
| 15:19.28 | epsilon | lol |
| 15:19.30 | Ariii | [ ]]'; |
| 15:19.40 | Ariii | ;/?:::; |
| 15:19.47 | bzed | WinstonSmith: so which problem does the distro maintained package have and if there is one, did you report it? |
| 15:20.00 | abrotman | Ariii: do you need help ? |
| 15:20.02 | epsilon | her cat knows how to use Alt/Shift |
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| 15:20.05 | lapsusbrutus | /usr/share/consolefonts/ but no idea which is the one I use now:) |
| 15:20.17 | bzed | epsilon: ou don't need alt/shift on a uk/us keyboard |
| 15:20.29 | bzed | epsilon: they are just next to enter |
| 15:20.36 | abrotman | for ? you do |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | and : |
| 15:20.44 | epsilon | :;' too without shift? |
| 15:21.19 | bzed | okay i've missed : for ; you don't need shift |
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| 15:21.34 | epsilon | oh wait, I'm typing on US keyboard, even the mapping is german :-) |
| 15:21.36 | bzed | smae for ', no shift needed |
| 15:21.40 | abrotman | but for ? |
| 15:21.42 | abrotman | !! |
| 15:21.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:21.46 | abrotman | dpkg: sorry |
| 15:21.49 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 15:22.02 | superstraw | heh |
| 15:22.03 | bzed | dpkg: we will turn you off first before kill the Debian Family ;) |
| 15:22.03 | dpkg | i don't know, bzed |
| 15:23.35 | Ariii | Oh, sorry. Now my cat got me kicked out of 5 channels and broke my keyboard. |
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| 15:42.52 | optraz | i know .rpm and .deb is valid linux distribution package management syste, but what about .pkg or .ebuild? |
| 15:43.24 | Hydroxide | optraz: various distros use those too, also valid. please keep the conversation here focused on Debian. |
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| 15:44.11 | optraz | Hydroxide: can you tell which distro is using .pkg and .ebuild? |
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| 15:45.33 | Hydroxide | optraz: Gentoo uses ebuilds. Not familiar with whether ebuild are files with names in .ebuild or not. Anyway, this is off-topic for #debian. Please stop. |
| 15:46.03 | optraz | OK |
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| 15:46.32 | Hydroxide | optraz: you're welcome to be here and listen, or ask/answer user support questions about Debian, but other discussions belong elsewhere. thank you. |
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| 15:49.05 | ratatata | nu |
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| 16:02.35 | belak | What's the apt line for squeeze? I think my sources.list got messed up |
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| 16:03.11 | stew | belak: "deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian squeeze main" where xx is a country code like us or uk or es or nl... |
| 16:03.16 | Sevet | !tell belak about sources.list |
| 16:03.45 | belak | Sevet: thanks |
| 16:04.10 | belak | Are there mirrors for debian security? |
| 16:04.10 | Sevet | belak: stews's works, but you'll want the security source too in that factoid |
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| 16:05.29 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.33 | danols_work | can anyone recommend a good benchmarking tool? ncurses based please ? |
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| 16:05.41 | belak | ompaul: heh, thanks |
| 16:05.43 | ompaul | not mirrored unless you run your own |
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| 16:05.51 | danols_work | either my googl foo is weak or linux has nothing good out there |
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| 16:05.58 | Sevet | security.debian.org resolves differently depending where you are |
| 16:06.07 | Sevet | so will point at servers near you |
| 16:06.25 | ompaul | danols_work: ncurses benchmarking what? |
| 16:06.32 | danols_work | system benchmarking |
| 16:06.36 | danols_work | but for console/ncurses |
| 16:06.40 | danols_work | no gui desktop here |
| 16:06.51 | danols_work | ompaul: :) |
| 16:07.06 | Sevet | belak: plus it'll always point at 3 different servers, so yes it's mirrored already |
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| 16:07.34 | belak | Thanks |
| 16:07.41 | superlinux-hp | hi. if someone cannot access the internet at home but has access at a net cafe somewhere, how can he generate and save in a file all the direct download links for the packages of his "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 16:08.20 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, sorry to distrub you once more, but do you install grub on your virtual machine? |
| 16:08.31 | stew | superlinux-hp: apt-get --print-uris upgrade |
| 16:08.45 | superlinux-hp | ok stew thanks |
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| 16:09.06 | superlinux-hp | stew same with others like apt-get install ? |
| 16:09.06 | stew | superlinux-hp: apt-zip is a package that will use this output to produce a script to run |
| 16:09.09 | stew | superlinux-hp: yes |
| 16:09.14 | superlinux-hp | ok great |
| 16:09.21 | ompaul | PhoenixSTF: you do |
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| 16:10.08 | PhoenixSTF | ompaul, with KVM? |
| 16:10.18 | ompaul | PhoenixSTF: yes |
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| 16:10.41 | cryosphere | hello |
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| 16:10.59 | PhoenixSTF | ompaul, ty |
| 16:11.09 | ompaul | your welcome |
| 16:11.10 | cryosphere | i currently have squeeze(stable) |
| 16:11.16 | ompaul | you're welcome even |
| 16:11.23 | cryosphere | but I would like to install a pkg from sid |
| 16:11.31 | cryosphere | whats the canonical way to do this |
| 16:11.45 | Sevet | cryosphere: do not |
| 16:11.46 | ompaul | !sns |
| 16:11.46 | stew | cryosphere: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:11.47 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 16:12.17 | cryosphere | right I don't want to upgrade my system |
| 16:12.24 | cryosphere | just want one package |
| 16:12.27 | Sevet | cryosphere: use backports |
| 16:12.34 | cryosphere | and don't want to build from source |
| 16:12.34 | cryosphere | ok |
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| 16:12.39 | stew | cryosphere: what package? |
| 16:12.52 | Sevet | never install wheezy/sid packages onto squeeze, the dependancies will mean it'll seriously mess your system up |
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| 16:13.02 | cryosphere | so I just add that to the rep. list |
| 16:13.05 | cryosphere | matplotlib |
| 16:13.20 | Sevet | cryosphere: the safe way : http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 16:13.27 | cryosphere | Sevet: i learned that the hard was a few month ago |
| 16:13.28 | stew | judd: versions matplotlib |
| 16:13.30 | judd | No package named 'matplotlib' was found in i386. |
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| 16:13.43 | cryosphere | matplotlib-python |
| 16:13.45 | themill | matplotlib is not something you can easily backport |
| 16:13.49 | stew | oh, that's the name of the source package |
| 16:13.54 | cryosphere | or python-matplotlib |
| 16:14.02 | themill | ,v python-matplotlib |
| 16:14.03 | judd | Package: python-matplotlib on i386 -- lenny: 0.98.1-1+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.99.1.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.99.3-1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.1~rc2-1; wheezy: 1.1.1~rc2-1 |
| 16:14.05 | stew | themill: it appears to alredy be backported |
| 16:14.11 | cryosphere | ok good |
| 16:14.24 | cryosphere | let me just read the instruction in the link above |
| 16:14.32 | themill | stew: eek. I'm surprised that version is compatible with the version of numpy in squeeze |
| 16:14.34 | cryosphere | if I get stuck I'll come back for more help |
| 16:15.12 | themill | stew: they tend to disappear up each other in a giant unstable API horror story |
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| 16:19.39 | karlpinc | !tell cryosphere about frankendebian |
| 16:19.52 | karlpinc | (I cannot resist. I love that factoid name.) |
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| 16:20.27 | dirkson | What's the best way to preform a dist-upgrade while leaving behind a couple specific, fat packages? (Like libreoffice, for example) |
| 16:20.35 | ZitZ | !tell ZitZ about frankendebian |
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| 16:20.47 | karlpinc | !tell ZitZ about selftell |
| 16:21.43 | ZitZ | ah i didn't know that karlpinc |
| 16:21.51 | karlpinc | dirkson: You can put the packages you want to keep back on hold. But doing that with a dist-upgrade may not be a good idea. Perhaps you should explain what you're really trying to do. |
| 16:21.57 | karlpinc | ZitZ: No worries. |
| 16:22.22 | ZitZ | i was curious, but it is what i thought it was |
| 16:22.24 | dirkson | karlpinc: I may not understand what dist-upgrade is for, then. I use it as my general "Whelp, time to upgrade the system" command. |
| 16:22.45 | dirkson | karlpinc: In this instance "upgrade" seems to do the same thing :D |
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| 16:23.53 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: hey, I ended up building an opennebula cluster (not openstack) last night.. it absolutely rocks |
| 16:23.55 | Guest2164 | hi |
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| 16:25.02 | cryosphere | karlpinc: yes I found out about when I added sid rep to my soures.list and ran apt-get upgrade |
| 16:25.20 | cryosphere | thats why I'm super paranoid now |
| 16:25.23 | pparadis | D: |
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| 16:25.38 | thewanderer1 | joelio_, good to know, thanks. I knew openstack wouldn't be a good choice :P |
| 16:26.39 | Guest2164 | Can I sign client SSL certs with a commercial cert? |
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| 16:27.05 | pparadis | if you want to sign SSL certs, you need to establish a CA. |
| 16:27.18 | pparadis | that said, do you have a question about debian? |
| 16:27.40 | Guest2164 | pparadis: yes, i want run that on debian ;) |
| 16:28.14 | pparadis | Guest2164: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO/ |
| 16:28.46 | Guest2164 | pparadis: yes, yes, i know that |
| 16:29.18 | pparadis | Guest2164: you'll find many similar documents via google. general questions like this really aren't on topic for this channel, which is for debian support. |
| 16:29.28 | Guest2164 | pparadis: ok |
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| 16:30.03 | dirkson | karlpinc: That hint has made my upgrade take 300mb instead of 1100. Thanks :D |
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| 16:31.42 | joelio_ | thewanderer1: Yea, good call - I'm *really* impressed with this, much better suit for us |
| 16:32.03 | whysoserious | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.11 | whysoserious | debian* |
| 16:32.49 | cryosphere | ok thanks everyone for telling me about backports - its the correct solution for me |
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| 16:46.43 | angler | Hello all! Anyone have any ideas why Grub (legacy) says "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" and from the Grub CLI it doesn't see any files under the boot partition(/dev/sda1 mounted as /boot) but they actually are? Fixes found in web search haven't resolved it. |
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| 16:50.59 | karlpinc | dirkson: The new keywords are "dist-upgrade" and "safe-upgrade". dist-upgrade will introduce backwards incompatible changes, whereas everything will continue to work as before with safe-upgrade. You generally want to use safe-upgrde when running stable, until you follow the release notes instructions when upgradeing to the next stable. Rarely, you will need to use dist-upgrade with stable. When you do you should be paying attention. |
| 16:51.12 | angler | Sorry, if anyone responded to me while I was disconnected please copy & paste for me. |
| 16:51.51 | karlpinc | cryosphere: You may be interested in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for an overview. |
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| 16:54.37 | karlpinc | angler: Does it boot? |
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| 16:55.43 | angler | karlpinc, not with grub. I was able to get lilo installed which I can boot now. But I still have this issue with grub. |
| 16:56.13 | karlpinc | angler: syslinux is better then lilo imo. |
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| 16:57.02 | karlpinc | angler: No lvm or dm or any of that? |
| 16:57.32 | angler | karlpinc, Not using LVM. What's 'dm'? |
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| 16:57.52 | karlpinc | angler: The device manager, usually software raid. |
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| 17:00.56 | angler | karlpinc, Not using soft/hard-ware raid. Just plain old setup. Using udev though. Tried the latest grub-legacy 0.97-66 which has the same result. |
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| 17:02.41 | karlpinc | angler: I'd look through your bios to see that there's nothing funny in there. Legacy mode this-or-that or some such having to do with the disk. |
| 17:03.16 | thewanderer1 | GRUB notably has problems with memory holes and similar BIOS settings, too |
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| 17:04.29 | angler | karlpinc, ok, thanks! Since I don't have access to the BIOS settings (hosted dedicated server) I'll see if the provider can look into it. |
| 17:04.45 | angler | thewanderer1, what do you mean by "memory holes"? |
| 17:05.05 | tharkun | What is the e-mail client that is paired with icedove? |
| 17:05.22 | thewanderer1 | angler, older BIOSes had a weird option to mask 1MB of memory, I don't know how it worked precisely, but it always introduced trouble |
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| 17:05.40 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, icedove is an e-mail client :D |
| 17:05.51 | thewanderer1 | or do you mean thunderbird? |
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| 17:06.18 | tharkun | thewanderer1: nope, i was thinking about iceweasel and wrote the right answer :-) |
| 17:06.29 | thewanderer1 | hehe |
| 17:08.12 | karlpinc | angler: I've no idea if it would help, but you might look at the output of dmidecode. |
| 17:08.23 | PhoenixSTF | In KVM virtual machine you should install it in a LVM volume and inside the VM install the system in lvm again? |
| 17:08.25 | angler | thewanderer1, ah ok. Thanks. |
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| 17:08.59 | angler | karlpinc, I have but let me check again to see what it says about the disks. |
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| 17:09.50 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, nothing prevents you from doing that. or you could use plain old partitions inside the host LV. |
| 17:10.09 | thewanderer1 | I had LVM in LVM and it worked somehow :P |
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| 17:10.51 | tharkun | What do I have to do to make Icedove connect to an slapd directory service? |
| 17:10.55 | pparadis | Posterdati: your virtual disk is just that: a virtual disk. from the perspective of your VM, it's just a disk. from the host's perspective, it can be a file, logical volume, etc. |
| 17:10.59 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, what I want is to grow or expand my partitions and VM space has I need |
| 17:11.07 | pparadis | sorry, my last was for PhoenixSTF |
| 17:11.13 | PhoenixSTF | with the less fuzz possible |
| 17:11.40 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, well, you could make one big filesystem spanning the whole virtual device :P |
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| 17:12.08 | PhoenixSTF | pparadis, yes I do know that, but what I am aiming is dynamic grow of storage |
| 17:12.22 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, what do you mean by that? |
| 17:12.25 | pparadis | PhoenixSTF: really, from your VM's perspective, it's just a disk. i recommend you use a logical volume for it on the host side, and whatever you want (LVM, whatever) for the VM's install. |
| 17:12.55 | homes | if the VMs are going to be linux then you can do far more efficient things than KVM [openvz comes to mind] |
| 17:12.56 | PhoenixSTF | pparadis, already is ion LVM |
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| 17:13.05 | thewanderer1 | homes, OpenVZ is dying :P |
| 17:13.13 | homes | is it? |
| 17:13.15 | pparadis | PhoenixSTF: then i'm really confused as to what you're asking. |
| 17:13.22 | karlpinc | homes: Replaced by <lxc>, at least in debian. |
| 17:13.31 | thewanderer1 | homes, search for any wheezy/sid package with "openvz" in its name :P |
| 17:13.44 | PhoenixSTF | pparadis, I expand my lvm of the VM, what should I do inside the VM to add up that space? |
| 17:13.48 | pparadis | PhoenixSTF: you can easily increase (or shrink) partitions as well as LVs, so pick whatever you want to use. |
| 17:13.51 | karlpinc | homes: Too much trouble and not enough extra-ness. |
| 17:14.00 | homes | it does have live migration! |
| 17:14.05 | pparadis | PhoenixSTF: exactly what ywould you do with a physical server? |
| 17:14.26 | PhoenixSTF | pparadis, either grow or lvm |
| 17:14.33 | thewanderer1 | PhoenixSTF, you can mkfs on the whole virtual disk, which cuts the maintenance overhead of having to manage partitions inside the VM - if you are willing to have everything on one FS, that is... |
| 17:14.36 | pparadis | PhoenixSTF: it's no different for the VM. |
| 17:14.43 | thewanderer1 | but LVM-in-LVM is generally a safe solution. |
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| 17:15.10 | karlpinc | !tell PhoenixSTF about best |
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| 17:15.58 | karlpinc | homes: Somebody has to do the work, so.... |
| 17:16.45 | angler | karlpinc, dmidecode doesn't provide anything I'm looking for. However hdparm indicates that "Automatic Acoustic Management" is disabled which I believe is a good thing. I guess I need to look at the bios (or have someone else). Thanks. |
| 17:16.48 | erum | mates, I have a debian lenny and I would like to install rsync t it, I assume it's the |
| 17:17.17 | hampsterblade | I'm working on a debian 64 bit server, and for some reason at boot it doesn't start the ethernet interfaces. I have to open a root terminal after boot and type in ifup eth0 to get it to start. This is a dedicated server, so this is very badd |
| 17:17.19 | erum | I assume the problem is that it's not supported any more |
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| 17:17.30 | pparadis | homes: um, i run a rather sizable KVM on debian installation, and i dispute your assertion regarding efficiency, and would add several caveats regarding openvz in terms of stability and flexibility. |
| 17:17.44 | dax | !lenny sources.list |
| 17:17.45 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 17:17.55 | erum | can anyone shine some light to install rsync on lenny? |
| 17:17.58 | PhoenixSTF | thewanderer1, what I am asking is what gives less downtime and easier to grow a virtual machine FS, and if I can do it withouth shuting down the VM. |
| 17:18.08 | pparadis | erum: please upgrade to squeeze. |
| 17:18.09 | tharkun | erum: why not upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 17:18.16 | Sevet | hampsterblade: have you set 'auto eth0' in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:18.32 | PhoenixSTF | erum, squeeze is the work! |
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| 17:19.08 | hampsterblade | I'll try adding that line in Sevet |
| 17:19.12 | erum | pparadis and tharkun, this is a system that is going to die so it's not worth the upgrade |
| 17:19.25 | Guest86597 | Hi guys, how can I set an alias permanently? |
| 17:20.05 | Guest86597 | I did this but it only allows me to type gimp28 while my session is open alias gimp28='/home/me/.gimp/bin/gimp-2.8' |
| 17:20.16 | Sevet | Guest86595: ~/.bashrc |
| 17:20.16 | hampsterblade | adding auto eth0 allowed eth0 to start, but eth0:0 and eth0:1 did not go with it |
| 17:20.44 | tharkun | erum: if you have scp that should do the job. no use installing more stuff on it |
| 17:20.50 | Guest86597 | Sevet: I don't have that directoy |
| 17:21.02 | Guest86597 | or file |
| 17:21.08 | erum | tharkun: will it do permissions as well? |
| 17:21.14 | Sevet | hampsterblade: add an auto for each of those too |
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| 17:21.38 | erum | tharkun: I want to "rsync -av" |
| 17:21.46 | Sevet | hampsterblade: and see the bottom of http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration because there's a newer style for doing it using ip up/down |
| 17:22.01 | Guest86597 | Sevet: bash: /home/user/.bashrc: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.26 | karlpinc | Guest86597: That's odd. What version of debian? |
| 17:22.44 | Guest86597 | wheezy |
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| 17:22.57 | hampsterblade | http://pastebin.com/dakgm9q6 this is my interfaces file, not quite sure what's going on |
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| 17:23.18 | karlpinc | Guest86597: Well, you can always make the file and put the alias in there. See "man bash" for when the file is read. |
| 17:23.35 | Guest86597 | ok |
| 17:23.37 | Sevet | hampsterblade: that doesn't look right... |
| 17:24.11 | Guest86597 | karlpinc: what should I add into the file? |
| 17:24.17 | Sevet | 1) you should have a plain eth0 (probably rename eth0:0) 2) only one can have a gateway, do that on eth0, 3) each alias needs the auto line |
| 17:24.52 | karlpinc | Guest86597: Your alias command. |
| 17:25.01 | Guest86597 | ok |
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| 17:25.30 | hampsterblade | trying that |
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| 17:26.17 | Sevet | hampsterblade: option 1 (old style) http://pastebin.com/nZjPSKGj ; option 2 (new style) http://pastebin.com/jmdm2StL |
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| 17:26.52 | Sevet | and you may want to check if the renaming of eth0:0 -> eth0 and eth0:1 -> eth0:0 has any impact on eg firewall settings |
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| 17:27.15 | Sevet | (probably will be fine, especially if everything is just configured on ip) |
| 17:27.30 | hampsterblade | I don't use a firewall so that's fine |
| 17:27.43 | hampsterblade | Is there any advantage to the new style over the old |
| 17:28.19 | _gcr | Hey, so I have (er, had...) a debian server configured to use DHCP. I wanted to swap IPs with a different server, so I just killed the dhclient process. Immediately, my SSH connection dropped. I assume it has no IP address now? Will dhclient start up again and get the IP address back? |
| 17:28.19 | Sevet | Guest86595: check /etc/skel/ for the default home area files, there should be a .bashrc template there |
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| 17:28.54 | Sevet | yes, probably has no ip (can you ping it?). no it won't start back up, it's offline until you restart it or reboot it. |
| 17:28.58 | karlpinc | Sevet: So enlighten me. Why does it matter, ":" vs "label"? |
| 17:29.02 | matlock | how do i make cron run right |
| 17:29.07 | hampsterblade | _gcr, it may not, you will probably need to email the data center to reboot it |
| 17:29.25 | Sevet | karlpinc: the old vs new style? |
| 17:29.29 | _gcr | Sevet, hampsterblade Ok, thanks. That's actually what I wanted for now |
| 17:29.37 | matlock | i did a cron -e and setup like this 29 13 * * * gnome-terminal |
| 17:29.38 | matlock | and it did nothing |
| 17:29.44 | karlpinc | Sevet: Yes. Who cares? |
| 17:29.58 | Sevet | karlpinc: old style's based around the ifconfig utility, the new style around the ip utility. for now both work but that might not be the case in future. |
| 17:30.13 | _gcr | matlock: Cron doesn't set the DISPLAY environment variable. Try something like DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal |
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| 17:31.00 | hampsterblade | Thank you for your help Sevet, my server is working properly. Scariest thing in the world when you send the reboot command and it "dies" lol. Thank god for KVMs |
| 17:31.02 | Sevet | karlpinc: the ip method is a little clearer to the reality - the old style implies that it's a real interface that can have a gateway, which isn't the case and often seems to confuse people |
| 17:31.42 | karlpinc | Sevet: I suppose that makes some sense. I wondered why they bothered to change. |
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| 17:34.16 | Sevet | it's also a little clearer what happens when eth0 goes up/down - you see all the aliases do get (de)attached, while the old style they have separate auto lines so it's easier to make a config that doesn't bring everything up when it should |
| 17:34.33 | hampsterblade | or forget the auto line period... |
| 17:35.19 | hampsterblade | worst part is, if you bring them up manually you don't realize your mistake til you reboot and it just doesn't work |
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| 18:20.29 | LittleFoot2 | hi |
| 18:20.35 | LittleFoot2 | plz help |
| 18:20.42 | n-iCe | pls ask |
| 18:20.43 | n-iCe | :) |
| 18:20.47 | LittleFoot2 | my dell latitude |
| 18:20.55 | LittleFoot2 | is not detecting harddrive |
| 18:20.57 | PhoenixSTF | what do I need to do to grow a ext3 partition? been looking around and all I can encounter is that I have to change to ext2 then resize. is this correct? |
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| 18:21.20 | LittleFoot2 | ive never had debian installer not detect harddrive |
| 18:22.11 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: are you installing from a usb? |
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| 18:22.16 | LittleFoot2 | yes |
| 18:22.30 | n-iCe | That's the problem, I might guess you used unetbootin? |
| 18:22.36 | LittleFoot2 | ya |
| 18:22.38 | LittleFoot2 | hehe |
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| 18:22.50 | nvz | what problem are you aware of that would cause this issue? |
| 18:23.11 | nvz | cause I for one do that all the time, and I'm not following |
| 18:23.13 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: that's why, you know? Debian has his own tool to create a usb booter, wanna know more about it? |
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| 18:25.10 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2?! |
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| 18:25.53 | nvz | PhoenixSTF: I dont see how this is a problem.. the only difference is the journal, which you can easily put back after the resize with tune2fs |
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| 18:26.24 | _abc_ | can someone explain in 3 words how I can locate the relevant gtk+1 libs in the debian archives ? For an older distro? |
| 18:26.33 | LittleFoot2 | so how come its not seeing the drive |
| 18:26.43 | LittleFoot2 | ive installed from usb before |
| 18:26.44 | nvz | PhoenixSTF: personally I usually use unetbootin to strap Parted Magic to do most my resize and partitioning operations on any filesystem |
| 18:26.46 | Priyantha | _abc_: http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:26.54 | _abc_ | I am on it |
| 18:27.00 | _abc_ | I need the versions... for etch... |
| 18:27.11 | stew | _abc_: snapshots.debian.org |
| 18:27.18 | nvz | LittleFoot2: thats what I'm wondering as well.. n-iCe seemed to imply he was aware of an issue that could cause this. |
| 18:27.22 | stew | err snapshot.debian.org |
| 18:27.24 | PhoenixSTF | nvz my problem is a lvm Virtual Machine.... |
| 18:27.27 | Sevet | LittleFoot2: any raid in place? |
| 18:27.40 | Sevet | LittleFoot2: and does lspci show any disk controllers? |
| 18:27.45 | PhoenixSTF | nvz I am trying to keep it simple for others |
| 18:27.56 | _abc_ | what is the package name of gtk+1 in debian please? |
| 18:28.15 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: unetbootin has a bug |
| 18:28.20 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: format your USB |
| 18:28.21 | nvz | PhoenixSTF: idk, lvm isn't an area I have much experience.. tried it once, then ran like hell |
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| 18:28.42 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: and use, cat debian.iso > /dev/ sdX |
| 18:28.45 | PhoenixSTF | nvz, I know the feeeling ;) |
| 18:29.04 | n-iCe | check what's your letter in the X, LittleFoot2, mine was sdb |
| 18:29.11 | LittleFoot2 | but why not see the drive |
| 18:29.12 | _abc_ | http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+/ this can't be it it is from last century |
| 18:29.29 | LittleFoot2 | so weird |
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| 18:29.38 | stew | _abc_: last century? |
| 18:29.47 | Sevet | _abc_: libgtk2.0-0 |
| 18:29.47 | stew | _abc_: "Seen in debian-archive on 2009-08-02" |
| 18:29.49 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: unetbootin bug |
| 18:29.57 | _abc_ | I said gtk+1 |
| 18:30.01 | _abc_ | I need gtk-config |
| 18:30.06 | Sevet | v1 isn't in debian any more |
| 18:30.14 | _abc_ | aiee |
| 18:30.17 | nvz | sounds like b.s. to me, I just installed on this laptop about a week ago with unetbootin |
| 18:30.27 | _abc_ | do you have gtk-config on the system? If so, from which package please? |
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| 18:30.55 | mdh | Does the version of the desktop environment that comes with Sid allow the placement of icons on the desktop? |
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| 18:31.12 | n-iCe | mdh: gnome and kde xfce lxde, does. |
| 18:31.14 | kevlarman | ,file bin/gtk-config |
| 18:31.19 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 18:31.25 | Sevet | _abc_: apt-file shows no packages with that file in |
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| 18:32.16 | mdh | with the older versions of gnome there would be a trash icon and some sort of "computer" icon on the desktop. were these removed with the gnome that comes with Sid? |
| 18:32.19 | _abc_ | Sevet: I agree |
| 18:32.23 | criptex | Hi all, i'm trying to do & share a port forwarding. with ssh works succesfully (ssh -L 5555:192.168.2.1:6787 user@192.168.2.1 -g). However, this could affect performance due cyphered connection. the remote machine (192.168.2.1) just has one NIC, ¿it is posible to make port forwarding with iptables? i read this post http://www.miljan.org/main/2006/12/26/linux-nat-with-one-network-interface/, it seems it is quite tricky. |
| 18:32.27 | Sevet | _abc_: the program you're trying to use is too old, you need something that'll work with v2 |
| 18:32.35 | _abc_ | Sevet: yet it exists and is used to compile gnu software, such as gpsim.sourceforce.net |
| 18:32.45 | nvz | mdh: gnome 3 is horribly broken and pretty uch all new distros carrying it are going to be so as well. |
| 18:32.56 | Sevet | _abc_: old software |
| 18:32.57 | _abc_ | Sevet: I need to hack a config which will work with this, it is a cog in a large thing I am up to |
| 18:32.57 | Sevet | libgtk2.0-dev uses pkgconfig files for gtk+-2.0 |
| 18:33.04 | _abc_ | I do not have time to maintain other people's software |
| 18:33.12 | _abc_ | Will something break if I install gtk+1 ? |
| 18:33.16 | mdh | ah, lol. I thought it just might have been all of the hardware I tried it on. thanks |
| 18:33.18 | _abc_ | In addition to gtk+2 ? |
| 18:33.28 | Priyantha | _abc_: http://archive.debian.net/etch/libgtk1.2 |
| 18:33.30 | Priyantha | for example |
| 18:33.46 | nvz | mdh: no, they seem to have broken nearly every feature in gnome 3.. can't really add applets, configure panels, or do anything like you could in gnome 2.x and prior |
| 18:33.47 | _abc_ | Priyantha: thanks. Is gtk-config in that? |
| 18:33.56 | stew | _abc_: no, it would be in the -dev pacakge |
| 18:34.12 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 18:34.16 | stew | sourceforce.net seems to be a spammer domain |
| 18:34.17 | _abc_ | I will try to make it work |
| 18:34.21 | _abc_ | fingers crossed |
| 18:34.23 | LittleFoot2 | n-iCe, can u tel me what this bug does? |
| 18:34.26 | _abc_ | stew: hmm? |
| 18:34.41 | Priyantha | _abc_: no |
| 18:34.44 | Priyantha | it's in the http://archive.debian.net/etch/libgtk1.2-dev |
| 18:34.44 | LittleFoot2 | or y its doing that |
| 18:34.51 | nvz | mdh: I hear talk that its somewhat doable with 3rd party apps/hacks but thats just ridiculous, it used to be built into nautilus, gnome-panel..etc the ability to just right click and configure stuff.. now its all gone |
| 18:34.55 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: not really, there are many posts about it |
| 18:34.57 | mdh | i kinda thought the no icons on the desktop thing was a "feature" so people would use their unity like menu |
| 18:34.57 | stew | _abc_: the domain name you posted for the software you say you are trying to compile seems to be a domain squatter |
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| 18:35.05 | _abc_ | oh sorry |
| 18:35.08 | Sevet | it's http://gpsim.sourceforge.net |
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| 18:35.21 | _abc_ | http://gpsim.sourceforge.net/ stew this works |
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| 18:35.27 | nvz | mdh: probably.. the whole thing utterly disgusts me and unless something changes soon, I will likely be on gnome 2 forever |
| 18:35.34 | stew | judd: versions gpsim |
| 18:35.35 | judd | Package: gpsim on i386 -- lenny: 0.22.0-5; squeeze: 0.24-3; sid: 0.26.1-2; wheezy: 0.26.1-2 |
| 18:35.48 | stew | _abc_: are you running debian? |
| 18:35.54 | _abc_ | sort of |
| 18:35.57 | _abc_ | just a minute |
| 18:36.02 | mdh | i don't know why they think they need to reinvent every aspect of the desktop, i think it mostly confuses people |
| 18:36.07 | Sevet | _abc_: its configure script has a --enable-gtk2 option |
| 18:36.35 | stew | _abc_: why do you want to compile gpsim yourself instead of just isntalling it with apt-get? |
| 18:36.43 | Priyantha | _abc_: why are you asking for such old versions by the way ? :) |
| 18:37.01 | nvz | mdh: well I think its a combination of new hardware and trying to reach (for whatever reason) a dumber audience.. these sorts of things tend to look/feel more natural on say tablets and modern multitouch interfaces |
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| 18:37.37 | nvz | mdh: I just think its ignorant to people like you or I who are used to using a traditional interface having to make hard choices how to move into the future |
| 18:37.44 | Sevet | _abc_: stew has a point, it is already packaged |
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| 18:38.15 | mdh | well at least there are choices with *nix to find a desktop environment that suits you |
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| 18:39.32 | nvz | mdh: yeah well, I went through the same kind of deal when they dropped sawfish for metacity, started building my own desktop environment using custom xsession trying to keep things the same. Its just real hard to do that with gnome 3 because it lacks overall customization and flexibility |
| 18:40.52 | sney | there are two gnome2 replacements that work with gtk3 and keep the old gnome2 look and feel, or at least don't throw everything out as they update it. Neither one is currently in debian, but I understand that both are installable if you don't mind 3rd party software |
| 18:40.53 | peterrooney | nvz: "Gratuitous Vendor Changes" |
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| 18:41.12 | Sevet | stew: possibly because the gpsim changelog shows the gtk gui was removed from the package, _abc_ changelog shows you should look at ktechlab for a gui |
| 18:41.22 | sney | there's also KDE4, which follows that taskbar-menu-desktop-folder theme |
| 18:41.23 | peterrooney | dislikes e17 and loves e15 |
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| 18:42.55 | _abc_ | Sevet: hmm? ktechlab? |
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| 18:43.09 | _abc_ | ah |
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| 18:43.32 | Sevet | _abc_: yep http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gpsim/gpsim_0.24-3/changelog, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ktechlab |
| 18:43.36 | _abc_ | Sevet: gpsim works fine, a module for it does not |
| 18:43.49 | _abc_ | http://www.dattalo.com/gnupic/lcd.html this one... |
| 18:44.10 | _newb | apologies for the newb question, but i am seeing a ton of I/O errors, and fear the drive is going. i followed this link (http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-find-out-if-harddisk-failing.html) and am getting "smart: command not found" |
| 18:44.10 | Sevet | you're not going to get gpsim working on debian, the gui element was removed because a required dependancy wasn't there |
| 18:44.12 | _abc_ | whoa last mod 2004 |
| 18:44.24 | _abc_ | Sevet: again: gpsim was compiled and works fine |
| 18:44.30 | _abc_ | Sevet: the module I indicated causes problems |
| 18:44.42 | _abc_ | Sevet: I compiled it from source |
| 18:44.48 | Sevet | fine, i meant that module |
| 18:44.54 | _abc_ | Sevet: And yes my system is a hodge podge of packages from Debian and elsewhere |
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| 18:45.16 | _abc_ | Also I installed the gtk+-dev and it now balks on a libtool issue |
| 18:45.23 | _abc_ | so the gui missing is no longer an issue |
| 18:45.36 | _abc_ | The man who wrote the modules is very clever. Too clever, maybe. |
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| 18:46.07 | sney | !frankendebian |
| 18:46.07 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 18:46.23 | zecrazytux | criptex: not sure of what you want to achieve. ssh -L will open the port on your local machine; I don't get how iptables will help you achieve the same functionnality |
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| 18:47.35 | _abc_ | sney: My system should be called FraNkeNdebiAn then |
| 18:47.38 | _abc_ | :) |
| 18:47.58 | _abc_ | sney: anyway I just wanted a package name and you people helped. Thanks |
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| 18:49.07 | deadmund | I'm trying to find this tutorial: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-proc/index.html however I don't have a /usr/src/linux-* which apparently I need to compile a kernel module. How can I get these files via apt ? (debian package search for kernel does not reveal anything apparently relevant) |
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| 18:49.09 | criptex | zecrazytux: thanks for your reply, I have on host2:6787 a tcp service. host1 can connect and use that service. I need host1:5555 accept every incoming connection and forward them to host2:6787 |
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| 18:50.58 | LittleFoot2 | n-iCe, now imgetting invalid partition table |
| 18:51.18 | n-iCe | o.O |
| 18:51.23 | n-iCe | what command did you use |
| 18:51.24 | LittleFoot2 | jkjk hehehe |
| 18:51.28 | n-iCe | paste it |
| 18:51.33 | LittleFoot2 | i got so scared |
| 18:51.37 | LittleFoot2 | i thot i was nuub |
| 18:51.48 | LittleFoot2 | but it didnt boot from cd |
| 18:51.53 | LittleFoot2 | lololol |
| 18:52.05 | n-iCe | wait, the usb thing worked? |
| 18:52.07 | LittleFoot2 | my HD was saying that |
| 18:52.10 | LittleFoot2 | no |
| 18:52.12 | zecrazytux | criptex: that is simple then: right, iptables can do that: using SNAT on INPUT port 5555, redirecting to host2, destination port 6787, on host1, should do |
| 18:52.14 | LittleFoot2 | i made a DVD |
| 18:52.17 | n-iCe | what command did you use |
| 18:52.19 | n-iCe | ¬¬ |
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| 18:53.45 | pikaro | hi! anyone know if there is a thunderbird beta repository for debian? all I can find is ubuntu ppas, and any debian packages i can find are v10 while beta is v14 atm... |
| 18:53.55 | zecrazytux | criptex: sorry, POSTROUTING |
| 18:54.10 | LittleFoot2 | n-iCe, now its not detecting cd rom |
| 18:54.14 | LittleFoot2 | in the debian installer |
| 18:54.16 | LittleFoot2 | jeeeeez |
| 18:54.19 | LittleFoot2 | comon debian |
| 18:54.22 | n-iCe | man I don't understand what you are doing |
| 18:54.26 | n-iCe | did you install debian in the usb, yes or no |
| 18:54.46 | LittleFoot2 | usb didnt work |
| 18:54.53 | LittleFoot2 | it couldnt find HD |
| 18:54.56 | n-iCe | usb works!! |
| 18:55.03 | n-iCe | I told you a command to use |
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| 18:55.09 | n-iCe | you are not paying attention |
| 18:55.09 | LittleFoot2 | now installing from cd it cant find cd |
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| 18:55.13 | LittleFoot2 | no i am |
| 18:55.18 | LittleFoot2 | i jus didnt try that yet |
| 18:55.23 | n-iCe | how did you burn it? |
| 18:55.30 | LittleFoot2 | windowz |
| 18:55.36 | n-iCe | how as image? |
| 18:55.39 | LittleFoot2 | shiet |
| 18:55.42 | LittleFoot2 | yas |
| 18:55.59 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 18:56.00 | LittleFoot2 | ok lets try from usb again |
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| 18:57.04 | n-iCe | I don't know from Windows, sorry. |
| 18:57.14 | LittleFoot2 | no from debian live |
| 18:57.28 | LittleFoot2 | how can i make a bootable usb |
| 18:57.33 | LittleFoot2 | that WILL see the HD |
| 18:57.36 | n-iCe | scroll ip |
| 18:57.38 | _newb | apologies for the newb question, but i am seeing a ton of I/O errors, and fear the drive is going. i followed this link (http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-find-out-if-harddisk-failing.html) and am getting "smart: command not found" |
| 18:57.39 | n-iCe | scroll up |
| 18:57.54 | n-iCe | beyuga |
| 18:58.15 | zecrazytux | criptex: hum i might have taken the problem the other way around; I'm checking with a local example to prevent me from giving you wrong path |
| 18:58.21 | LittleFoot2 | tell me one mor time |
| 18:58.25 | LittleFoot2 | plz |
| 18:58.43 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: and use, cat debian.iso > /dev/ sdX |
| 18:58.52 | raidghost | Hi! Is there any possible way to import facebook contacts with email and phonenumber direct to android contact list, a way that makes it contacts not just facebook contacts that leavces when you sign out? |
| 18:59.09 | LittleFoot2 | cat will work like that |
| 18:59.14 | n-iCe | raidghost: yes |
| 18:59.15 | ZitZ | _newb, for smart you need a package, i think it's called smarttools but don't quote me |
| 18:59.17 | LittleFoot2 | how does it do that |
| 18:59.27 | criptex | zecrazytux: i've tried this one, without success : http://pastebin.com/6ZvqnVcL |
| 18:59.28 | deadmund | Figured it out, I needed linux-kernel-headers-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 18:59.29 | n-iCe | raidghost: open the facebook application on your android go to setting you will find it. |
| 18:59.47 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:59.48 | ansgar | raidghost: How is Android related to #debian? |
| 18:59.55 | _newb | ZitZ: looking for it |
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| 19:00.05 | raidghost | n-iCe: it sync and makes contacts in my contactlist. but as quick as you sign out. it removes it self |
| 19:00.14 | raidghost | ansgar: sorry. thought it was android, gotta change channel:P |
| 19:00.26 | LittleFoot2 | sux 2 be noob like me :( |
| 19:00.36 | ZitZ | _newb, it's smartmontools |
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| 19:01.05 | _newb | ZitZ: cool.. installing now |
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| 19:01.45 | _newb | can't apt-get: -bash: /bin/ls: Input/output error |
| 19:01.46 | _newb | :( |
| 19:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | LittleFoot2: It sounds like you've been using the wrong image. |
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| 19:02.11 | jhutchins_lt | LittleFoot2: You need to be using a live/installer image, not a boot image. |
| 19:02.28 | threadlock | what is the naming convention around the linux-image-2.6.32-5-* packages? |
| 19:02.44 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions smartmontools |
| 19:02.45 | judd | Package: smartmontools on i386 -- lenny: 5.38-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 5.39.1+svn3124-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.39.1+svn3124-2; squeeze-backports: 5.41+svn3365-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 5.41+svn3365-1; sid: 5.42+svn3561-1 |
| 19:02.48 | threadlock | files in /boot seem to be named after the package and not the patch level, why is that? |
| 19:03.19 | sney | threadlock: likely so that it's easy to tell what package they came from. e.g. in cases of systems with more than one kernel installed |
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| 19:04.33 | _newb | so my drive is toast, eh? |
| 19:04.36 | stew | threadlock: 2.6.32 is the upstream version number -5 is the 5th ABI version, -686 is the cpu arch |
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| 19:06.43 | LittleFoot2 | i have this iso debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 19:06.55 | LittleFoot2 | it worked on all other comps but this one |
| 19:07.34 | threadlock | sney: sure, but it would also be easier to see what kernel is installed if it corresponded to the version (patch level, right?) |
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| 19:07.44 | threadlock | stew: i get the cpu arch bit ;) |
| 19:07.57 | sney | LittleFoot2: well, the installer isos are up to 6.0.5 so maybe try a newer one? |
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| 19:08.47 | sney | threadlock: you can always just apt-cache show linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 19:10.09 | stew | threadlock: does that mean you don't get the other bits? |
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| 19:17.43 | hje841 | how do I get in contact with a RS232 device through a USB-RS232 adapter in terminal? |
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| 19:17.51 | blacks0ul | hi there |
| 19:18.09 | blacks0ul | does anybody have a second for a XEN-bridge question? http://serverfault.com/questions/404500/xen-host-lost-connection-when-windows-2008-guest-boot |
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| 19:20.24 | zecrazytux | criptex: wo will access to host1:5555 ? |
| 19:20.58 | threadlock | stew: quite.. |
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| 19:21.45 | threadlock | now I usually hold linux-image packages so I won't get confused over which kernel I am actually running.. |
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| 19:22.04 | threadlock | but let's look at |
| 19:22.06 | threadlock | linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.32+29 |
| 19:22.12 | threadlock | and |
| 19:22.13 | threadlock | ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-45 |
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| 19:22.41 | threadlock | the first one is the virtual package I have installed to be able to keep track of the package with the right ABI |
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| 19:22.46 | stew | threadlock: so 2.6.32-5 means we took a 2.6.32 kernel. we first had 2.6.32-1, but then we added patches to it which changed the kernel in ways that things talking to the kernel (like other, external kernel modules), so we made the next one 2.6.32-2 not 2.6.32-1 |
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| 19:23.00 | threadlock | but is +29 the patch level? is -45 also the ABI? |
| 19:23.16 | threadlock | stew: sure |
| 19:23.30 | stew | no, -45 meas "this is the 45'th revision of this package" |
| 19:23.55 | threadlock | ok |
| 19:24.02 | stew | they have nothing to do with upstream. the only part of that version that relates to upstream is 2.6.32 |
| 19:24.15 | stew | afaik |
| 19:24.15 | zecrazytux | criptex: if I understand correctly, you want something like that: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d host1 --dport 1111 -j DNAT --to-destination host2:2222, with host1 being the gateway of host2 |
| 19:24.16 | engla | -5 is the abi version for the debian 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 19:24.37 | zecrazytux | criptex: but i am not sure i have understood your need very well |
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| 19:26.03 | threadlock | but.. does that mean that there ever was a 1'st revision of 2.6.32-5? that 2.6.32-5 has had 45 revisions? or did that package start at revision -5? |
| 19:26.10 | lemgran | hi, my X-Server fails starting and the Xorg.0.log says: "Failed to load module nvidia". Does that mean my kernel module is missing or the user-space libraries for X? (Just want to know the meaning of the error message, not how to solve the problem!) |
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| 19:27.07 | threadlock | (of course I understand that the 2.6.32 package started at 2.6.32-1) |
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| 19:28.00 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: this might be obvious but... you set different macs, right ? |
| 19:28.22 | blacks0ul | for Windows 2k8 and Debian yes |
| 19:28.33 | blacks0ul | only eth0, eth0:1 and eth0:2 are sharing MACs |
| 19:28.37 | blacks0ul | but not IP |
| 19:28.38 | threadlock | is there any way to see what version of the kernel you are running without tracing uptime and last package upgrade prior to that? |
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| 19:28.55 | stew | threadlock: what do you mean by "version"? |
| 19:28.58 | threadlock | s/version/revision/ |
| 19:29.06 | stew | threadlock: what do you mean by "revision"? |
| 19:29.19 | zecrazytux | threadlock: uname -r ? |
| 19:29.37 | stew | threadlock: you perhsps want to look at the changelog for the package |
| 19:29.52 | threadlock | stew: what you explained, that -45 is the 45'th revision of the 2.6.32(-5?) package |
| 19:30.06 | threadlock | zecrazytux: not quite |
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| 19:30.39 | stew | threadlock: "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" (or similar) would tell you the currently installed version of 2.6.32-5 |
| 19:30.42 | Priyantha | wow I am so happy now running again Debian :D \o/ on my laptop :D It's fast clean and lean :D |
| 19:30.45 | threadlock | it is easy to see what package is installed, when the files where altered in /boot etc |
| 19:31.07 | threadlock | stew: sure, that's not what I'm asking for though |
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| 19:32.10 | threadlock | let's say I've upgraded the kernel package several times without reboot, what kernel am I actually running (without having to trace uptime and kernel package updates prior to that)? |
| 19:32.13 | stew | threadlock: probably not without comparing the contents of /proc/version with a known version |
| 19:32.17 | Priyantha | threadlock: uname -r |
| 19:32.21 | stew | Priyantha: no |
| 19:32.23 | threadlock | Priyantha: still no |
| 19:32.26 | Priyantha | oh :P |
| 19:32.36 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: 'hst' is the dom0 right ? so you lost connection to it, but still are able to shutdown the windows guest ? how ? |
| 19:32.39 | Priyantha | sorry :) then i mis understood the question I think |
| 19:32.41 | zecrazytux | host* |
| 19:32.59 | threadlock | stew: ah! /proc/version, thank you! :D |
| 19:33.00 | stew | Priyantha: that tells you the abi revision, but not which debian package version this revision came from |
| 19:33.02 | blacks0ul | zecrazytux: connection by Remote Desktop, remember that they have different ip's |
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| 19:33.49 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: i remember that. so only the dom0 is unreachable, both guest are. |
| 19:33.50 | Priyantha | ah okay |
| 19:34.09 | blacks0ul | so they are not, lol ;$ |
| 19:34.14 | blacks0ul | is weird, I know |
| 19:34.28 | Priyantha | and "dpkg -l |grep linux-image" ? |
| 19:34.41 | Priyantha | then you'll see all the installes linux-image packes |
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| 19:35.21 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: pardon me ? they are _not_ reachable ? |
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| 19:35.31 | stew | Priyantha: which he clearly says is also not what he is looking for |
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| 19:36.03 | blacks0ul | guest ARE reachables, I can connect by ssh (debian) or remote desktop (windows) |
| 19:36.21 | blacks0ul | but Host is UNreachable, I can't neither ping nor connect via ssh |
| 19:36.22 | Priyantha | well what about it's not possible then in a 'easy' way ? :P |
| 19:36.25 | zecrazytux | hm sorry, my english must be faulty |
| 19:36.31 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: that is weird |
| 19:36.42 | blacks0ul | mine is not so good also |
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| 19:37.15 | stew | Priyantha: however I gave a solution |
| 19:37.16 | threadlock | Priyantha: 'cat /proc/version' is easy enogh for me =) |
| 19:37.18 | blacks0ul | so weird |
| 19:37.30 | blacks0ul | evenmore, when I shutdown the Windows 2008, HOST becomes reachable |
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| 19:37.35 | Priyantha | Yeah that's true stew :) |
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| 19:38.28 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: you don't have physical access to the dom0, i suppose ? |
| 19:38.42 | blacks0ul | no, its a remote server |
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| 19:39.09 | Priyantha | altho...if I look here: http://paste.debian.net/177599/ |
| 19:39.17 | Bert_2 | Hi, due to a misconfiguration in our ldap+pam configs we have locked ourselves out of a server, grub timeout is 0 zo we can't boot into a rootshell to fix this, does anyone know a way I can fix this without using a CD of some sort ? |
| 19:39.24 | Priyantha | the output of the uname -r does show the debian version :) |
| 19:40.02 | threadlock | Priyantha: if you're interested, read backlog |
| 19:40.03 | Priyantha | the "-3-amd64" is the debian version |
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| 19:40.24 | stew | Priyantha: no |
| 19:40.28 | stew | Priyantha: that's the abi version |
| 19:40.46 | stew | judd: version linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:40.47 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 on i386 -- squeeze-updates: 2.6.32-39; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-44; squeeze: 2.6.32-45 |
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| 19:40.59 | blacks0ul | zecrazytux: i added type:ioemu to the vif |
| 19:40.59 | stew | Priyantha: 2.6.32-44 is the debian version |
| 19:41.10 | blacks0ul | and at this moment host and guest are 'online' |
| 19:41.12 | blacks0ul | bridge namebridge idSTP enabledinterfaces |
| 19:41.12 | blacks0ul | br08000.1a92d881955dnoeth0 |
| 19:41.13 | blacks0ul | tap2.0 |
| 19:41.13 | blacks0ul | vif1.0 |
| 19:41.13 | blacks0ul | vif2.0 |
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| 19:41.25 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: i stay away as much as i can from windows - but os:tools can force the mac address. is it the same on the running guest as in the xen config file ? |
| 19:41.43 | Priyantha | ah I see :) |
| 19:41.56 | blacks0ul | im going to check that out |
| 19:42.06 | Priyantha | thx for the explanation stew and threadlock :) |
| 19:42.08 | blacks0ul | the weird for me is that Debian guest creates only vif1.0 |
| 19:42.18 | blacks0ul | and Windows 2008 creates tap2.0 and vif2.0 |
| 19:42.21 | zecrazytux | dunno if windows would do such a thing, but i'ld check that out if i had this kind of issue |
| 19:42.42 | blacks0ul | ok, host down again... |
| 19:43.18 | blacks0ul | but I can connect to Windows 2008 via Remote Desktop |
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| 19:44.12 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: anything in the logs ? |
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| 19:44.43 | LittleFoot2 | hey if u burn a debian live iso with windows it should boot right |
| 19:44.49 | blacks0ul | i just typed ipconfig /all |
| 19:44.58 | blacks0ul | and no one is using the HOST MAC |
| 19:44.59 | LittleFoot2 | boot into live |
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| 19:45.02 | blacks0ul | so, that is not |
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| 19:45.54 | blacks0ul | zecrazytux: what log should I see? xend-log? |
| 19:46.23 | blacks0ul | ok, one more 'lead': |
| 19:46.30 | _newb | hey... any recommendations on hardware?.. i need a very compact debian web/ftp server box, with a dvd drive, that stays cool, doesn't make noise, and has at least 20GB of storage.. |
| 19:46.46 | blacks0ul | when I shutdown the windows 2008 GUEST, I can connect by SSH to the public IP |
| 19:47.04 | blacks0ul | buy I can't connect to openvpn private IP, even if OpenVPN is up, because it assigns me an ip |
| 19:47.29 | blacks0ul | ok, nevermind |
| 19:47.33 | blacks0ul | now is working vpn |
| 19:47.56 | zecrazytux | blacks0ul: well, there was no vpn in the setup until now... |
| 19:48.12 | blacks0ul | there is not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:49.00 | blacks0ul | but yes, it exists |
| 19:49.07 | blacks0ul | tun0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 19:49.12 | blacks0ul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.32 | ompaul | _newb: ask your search engine for "Debian HCL list" and see what matches your requirements |
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| 19:51.48 | _newb | ompaul: ok thank u |
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| 19:52.09 | ompaul | _newb: are you dutch? |
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| 19:52.29 | _newb | ompaul: i'm from the US |
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| 19:52.56 | ompaul | _newb: I only asked because you used "u" which is "you" in dutch. |
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| 19:54.01 | superstraw | he's just lazy |
| 19:54.09 | _newb | ompaul: that's an interesting coincidence. in italian, they write "tu 6 gentile" because "sei" means both "you are" and "six" |
| 19:54.11 | superstraw | i mean young |
| 19:54.18 | blacks0ul | I think that could be related win OpenVPN, cause (maybe) both could be using tap0 zecrazytux |
| 19:54.29 | korbel | nvidia-proprietary drivers, are they in a repository like Fedora's rpmfusion? or is there some magic that needs to be done? |
| 19:54.53 | ompaul | korbel: when it fails please don't ask us I'll have the bot tell you nvidia info |
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| 19:55.39 | ompaul | korbel: nvidia got told what they could do with themselves by Linus Torvalds recently in a very public outburst. |
| 19:55.45 | _newb | ompaul: was your response (HCL) about the driver problem i have? or about the I/O faults i have? or about buying new hardware? |
| 19:55.55 | _newb | ompaul: cuz i've posted alot today :P |
| 19:55.56 | ompaul | _newb: new hardware |
| 19:56.18 | ompaul | _newb: driver issues are - install firmware, if it works great, if not chuck it |
| 19:57.16 | _newb | ompaul: well.. i have two problems: 1) it won't boot, because i can't find debian drivers for the integrated (dell dim8100) NIC; 2) it seems like my HDD is going , since i'mgetting all these crazy I/O faults. |
| 19:58.27 | ompaul | _newb: it won't boot --- because of a nic? |
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| 19:58.39 | ompaul | _newb: how did you deduce that? |
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| 19:59.05 | ompaul | _newb: I'd say it won't boot because the driver is dead |
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| 19:59.14 | ompaul | s/driver/drive |
| 19:59.24 | ompaul | _newb: did it boot a cd? |
| 19:59.38 | cesurasean | hey guys im having errors on procps installing. How can I get back to working? |
| 19:59.42 | ompaul | _newb: did it boot a usb stick? |
| 19:59.47 | cesurasean | I upgraded my system and it seems that package is broke. |
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| 20:00.50 | _newb | ompaul: first thing after the dell bios screen is "NIC failure. strike F1 to retry boot, F2 for setup utility" |
| 20:01.10 | ompaul | _newb: it won't boot because of a hardware failure. Not a debian issue. |
| 20:01.29 | cesurasean | it keeps giving me this error. - http://pastebin.com/aGsaqhJg |
| 20:01.30 | ompaul | turn off the nick in setup |
| 20:01.37 | _newb | ompaul: ok? |
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| 20:02.44 | _newb | ompaul: in bios? |
| 20:04.24 | ompaul | _newb: yes |
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| 20:07.19 | LittleFoot2 | anyone else having problems installing linux on dell laptop |
| 20:07.28 | LittleFoot2 | wack! |
| 20:08.10 | n-iCe | LittleFoot2: what's the problem, the CD thing? |
| 20:08.17 | _newb | ompaul: i'm not seeing it in bios |
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| 20:09.37 | cesurasean | Can someone tell me how to fix this procps upgrade I've done? - http://pastebin.com/aGsaqhJg |
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| 20:09.59 | stew | cesurasean: why did someone set that file to be immutable? |
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| 20:10.04 | stew | cesurasean: is /usr/bin a symlink? |
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| 20:10.38 | stew | cesurasean: my guess is that we are going to determine that your box was hacked |
| 20:11.28 | cesurasean | no it's not a symlink |
| 20:11.42 | cesurasean | what does immutable mean? |
| 20:11.45 | cesurasean | i didn't. |
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| 20:12.12 | stew | cesurasean: who else has root access to this box? |
| 20:12.28 | stew | cesurasean: immutable means that it may not be altered nor renamed nor removed |
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| 20:12.42 | LittleFoot2 | yes |
| 20:12.58 | cesurasean | so, how would i get rid of that file? |
| 20:12.59 | stew | cesurasean: can you pastebin the output of "lsattr /usr/bin/*" |
| 20:13.00 | LittleFoot2 | i tried linux mint and that couldnt even load LIVE |
| 20:13.13 | stew | cesurasean: why was it changed to be immutable? |
| 20:13.38 | stew | cesurasean: you should ask whomever changed it to be immutable |
| 20:14.10 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 20:14.29 | stew | cesurasean: when the answers to all these questions lead us to "the box was hacked". then you should be reinsatlling |
| 20:14.35 | cesurasean | stew, http://pastebin.com/AygskBV9 |
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| 20:14.46 | cesurasean | I never changed it. |
| 20:15.10 | stew | cesurasean: ok, so who else has root access on this box? |
| 20:15.12 | cesurasean | and, it's been there for a long time |
| 20:15.15 | cesurasean | no one. |
| 20:15.25 | cesurasean | and I highly doubt it was hacked. |
| 20:15.40 | stew | cesurasean: what does "md5sum /usr/bin/w" return? |
| 20:15.53 | cesurasean | how do i check to see if this file is immutable? |
| 20:16.09 | stew | cesurasean: look in the output you just pasted to see if it has an i |
| 20:16.18 | cesurasean | stew, d4ff21ae13a4f561c4b4153ef20bb301 /usr/bin/w |
| 20:16.56 | stew | cesurasean: where did you get this w file from? you removed the /usr/bin/w symlink and replaced it with some real file? |
| 20:17.24 | cesurasean | no |
| 20:17.31 | stew | cesurasean: so someone else did |
| 20:17.39 | craigevil | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Feb 10 2011 /usr/bin/w -> /etc/alternatives/w |
| 20:17.39 | stew | and that requires root access |
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| 20:18.18 | cesurasean | so how do i fix this? |
| 20:18.24 | stew | cesurasean: reinstall from trusted media |
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| 20:19.29 | engla | "don't assign to malice what might just be incompetence.. " or something like that |
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| 20:20.12 | stew | i don't believe this was incompetence |
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| 20:20.44 | stew | woops my cat stepped ont eh keyboard and it happened to replace my pkill binary and chattr it? |
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| 20:21.00 | engla | stew: all the +i binaries are from procps |
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| 20:22.06 | stew | cesurasean: what is "ms5sum /usr/bin/tload" and "grep tload /var/lib/dpkg/info/procps.md5sums" return? |
| 20:22.31 | ompaul | _newb: well then I guess you have to say take the disk out and get new hardware |
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| 20:23.33 | _newb | ompaul: that brings me back to my original question -- can anybody recommend a retailer and model? |
| 20:23.43 | _newb | hey... any recommendations on hardware?.. i need a very compact debian web/ftp server box, with a dvd drive, that stays cool, doesn't make noise, and has at least 20GB of storage.. |
| 20:23.51 | engla | stew: when I think of it, crackers might as well chattr +i a legitimate executable because that version has a hole |
| 20:23.52 | _newb | (sorry for the flood) |
| 20:23.53 | cesurasean | stew, is there not a way to delete this file? |
| 20:24.36 | ompaul | _newb: HCL list |
| 20:24.49 | sney | maybe a raspberry pi with peripherals |
| 20:24.54 | ompaul | _newb: build a pi yourself |
| 20:25.05 | ompaul | sney: stop reading my mind :) |
| 20:25.13 | simonlnu | yeh, a rasppi |
| 20:25.20 | sney | they're not that easy to get though |
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| 20:25.32 | ompaul | sney: I'm waiting on my delivery :) |
| 20:25.48 | simonlnu | is waiting on extra cash... |
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| 20:26.07 | ompaul | it turns out it will cost about 81 euros to get something you can play with |
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| 20:26.27 | ompaul | you can do it a lot cheaper |
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| 20:27.02 | karlpinc | Screw the raspberry pi and it's broadcomm-ness. Get a Mele A1000 instead. A bit more, but comes with a case, power supply, etc. |
| 20:27.03 | stew | cesurasean: sure, but why do you want to continue to use this box you are probably sharing with hackers? |
| 20:27.37 | simonlnu | karlpinc: linky? |
| 20:28.20 | simonlnu | karlpinc: nm, i'll search for it |
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| 20:29.18 | karlpinc | simonlnu: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html Somewhere there's a open hardware design, but I can't find it at the moment. |
| 20:29.56 | karlpinc | simonlnu: Only difference is the allwinner a10 soc does not have wifi. |
| 20:30.05 | karlpinc | simonlnu: Otherwise, the specs are better. |
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| 20:30.33 | simonlnu | karlpinc: nice. don't need/want wifi. |
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| 20:37.36 | criptex | zecrazytux: Hi again, i got a break. |
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| 20:37.48 | lillina99 | ciao |
| 20:37.50 | lillina99 | !list |
| 20:37.50 | dpkg | lillina99: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 20:38.20 | criptex | you're right. i want host1 to be the gateway of host2 |
| 20:39.02 | _newb | ompaul: i would, but i'm sure i'd get a crap deal, and i really don't know where to start (vendors, etc.) |
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| 20:39.56 | zecrazytux | criptex: so, what's the result of setting the dnat rule on host1 + gw on host2 ? |
| 20:39.58 | karlpinc | _newb: IIRC lxer.com has a linux-pre-installed vendor list. I've had luck with eracks.com, they pre-install debian. YMMV. |
| 20:40.10 | criptex | zecrazytux: you're right. i want host1 to be the gateway of host2. I tried your command, I still get a "Trying host1... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out" |
| 20:41.05 | zecrazytux | criptex: from where do you issue the telnet command, and, dod you set up the gateway on host2 ? |
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| 20:41.05 | _newb | karlpinc: thanks karl, i don't need a rack unit.. just a simple box. |
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| 20:41.23 | karlpinc | _newb: They have all sorts. |
| 20:41.33 | _newb | karlpinc: going there now |
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| 20:42.04 | karlpinc | _newb: But please look around. There are other vendors. (Does debian.org have a list?) |
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| 20:42.17 | criptex | zecrazytux: no, i don't. I will try it |
| 20:42.21 | ompaul | _newb: oh come on, I gave you a HCL list which has models on it |
| 20:42.41 | _newb | ompaul: i promise i'm not lazy... i really just don't know what to look for. |
| 20:42.50 | ompaul | your specs are really low you might look at something like a slightly fat thin client - or something from sumo |
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| 20:43.01 | karlpinc | ompaul: How do I see the list? |
| 20:43.25 | ompaul | _newb: you spec silence and 20Gigs you want something like a thin client with a disk in it |
| 20:43.37 | ompaul | _newb: you are not really looking for anything else |
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| 20:43.55 | ompaul | which is not a general purpose device so you will have to adapt whatever you want for it |
| 20:44.10 | _newb | ompaul: i'll do that now :) ... thanks paul |
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| 20:44.26 | criptex | zecrazytux: route add default gw host1 eth0 # still timeout. |
| 20:44.32 | karlpinc | _newb: Agreed. You should be able to get everything fanless. I've a couple of boxes around, fanless, with external fanless drives. Not fast mind you, but quiet. |
| 20:44.55 | _newb | well i think this drive died cuz it overheated... so i need a cooling solution |
| 20:44.57 | _newb | just a quiet one. |
| 20:45.05 | sney | when I need a general purpose test box I tend to buy a junk PC off the local classifieds but a fanless compact server is a lot more specialized |
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| 20:47.10 | DropsOfSerenity | do any of you guys know when nvidia 302.17 is moving from sid to wheezy? if ever? |
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| 20:47.37 | zecrazytux | criptex: ifconfig -a and route -n in a pastebin , |
| 20:47.41 | sney | DropsOfSerenity: depends on whether it's been approved for an extension |
| 20:47.54 | sney | read the recent announcements about the wheezy freeze |
| 20:48.07 | DropsOfSerenity | sney, thanks |
| 20:48.08 | zecrazytux | criptex: on host2 |
| 20:48.47 | engla | DropsOfSerenity: it looks like it will migrate |
| 20:49.00 | cesurasean | stew, how would i go about removing that bit? why does chattr -i not remove this bit? |
| 20:49.02 | DropsOfSerenity | engla, where do you see that? |
| 20:49.15 | engla | DropsOfSerenity: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
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| 20:49.23 | stew | cesurasean: you aren't going to reinstall this machine? |
| 20:49.36 | cesurasean | stew, no. |
| 20:49.37 | zecrazytux | criptex: also, you did not answer to my question: from which host do you issue the telnet test ? another host in the local network ? host1 himself ? (this might be a special case) |
| 20:50.23 | stew | cesurasean: realize it will be a LOT more work to try to revert all the changes that were made |
| 20:50.38 | cesurasean | stew, how do i remove the bit? |
| 20:50.43 | stew | cesurasean: chattr -i |
| 20:50.50 | cesurasean | I tried that, and it doesn't work. |
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| 20:51.06 | stew | cesurasean: that's not surprising. you can no longer trust the binaries on that box |
| 20:51.25 | engla | cesurasean: how does it not work (specifically) |
| 20:51.25 | stew | cesurasean: you should be pulling this hard drive and putting it into another trusted machine, and using the tools there |
| 20:51.51 | stew | cesurasean: figuring out all the things that need to be fixed is going to take a long time, weeks perhaps |
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| 20:52.03 | criptex | zecrazytux: another host in the local network |
| 20:52.11 | zecrazytux | cesurasean: and you may not find all issues |
| 20:52.21 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Simpler and easier to reinstall. |
| 20:52.26 | cesurasean | stew, I just want to get my web services back online is all |
| 20:52.31 | cesurasean | then ill migrate to a new box |
| 20:52.35 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Or, of course, go back to a backup. |
| 20:52.57 | cesurasean | procps is needed by apache, so apache is turned off now |
| 20:53.21 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Anything you might do while the box is up and running might be undone by the people who broke in. |
| 20:53.39 | cesurasean | I don't think anyone has broke in. |
| 20:53.42 | stew | and when the box is up and running you provide a service to the hackers that use your box |
| 20:53.51 | stew | cesurasean: ok, so why did you change /usr/bin/w? |
| 20:54.11 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Why not. Your binares are modified, you can't undo it, you don't know how it happened.... |
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| 20:54.38 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Everything points to something malicious. |
| 20:54.54 | stew | cesurasean: note that there was more than one attribute on that file |
| 20:55.08 | stew | but its really silly to be paying for servers that hackers use |
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| 20:56.19 | stew | cesurasean: was /bin/ps modified? |
| 20:56.51 | cesurasean | ----ia------------- /bin/ps |
| 20:56.55 | cesurasean | what is the a bit? |
| 20:57.12 | stew | cesurasean: what does "md5sum /bin/ps" return? |
| 20:57.30 | themill | (do you trust md5sum?) |
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| 20:57.38 | cesurasean | stew, c2eea90211b75093ef8dfbaa2b6397b9 /bin/ps |
| 20:57.52 | stew | cesurasean: what does "grep bin/ps /var/lib/dpkg/info/procps.md5sums" return? |
| 20:57.52 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: that means it can only be opened in append mode for writing. Odds are ps has been compromised |
| 20:58.37 | nyuszika7h | Hi, how can I tell aptitude to purge any leftover files of removed packages? |
| 20:58.43 | karlpinc | cesurasean: Running stable? That's not the right md5 for stable's ps. |
| 20:58.48 | themill | dpkg: tell nyuszika7h about purge |
| 20:58.48 | cesurasean | 76d6dc2f5c82b29a770dbf6ec8fe8ce8 bin/ps |
| 20:58.54 | zecrazytux | :) |
| 20:58.56 | nyuszika7h | Stupid +g |
| 20:59.06 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: tell me about purge |
| 20:59.14 | zecrazytux | cesurasean: you've been owned |
| 20:59.19 | karlpinc | !tell nyuszika7h about msg the bot |
| 20:59.30 | stew | cesurasean: so the file was replaced by someone with root access and then they went out of their way to make it harder to fix |
| 20:59.30 | nyuszika7h | Ok |
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| 20:59.54 | stew | cesurasean: if you didn't do this, someone else who has root access to the box did |
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| 21:00.13 | karlpinc | cesurasean: And the ps command they installed is lying to you about what's running. |
| 21:00.18 | stew | cesurasean: if nobody else is supposed to have root access to the box, somoene that isn't supposed to have root access has root access |
| 21:00.25 | pparadis | cesurasean: i'd like to point out that in cases of system compromise, the only reasonable course of action is to wipe it, reinstall the OS, and recover your data from backups after carefully auditing it. |
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| 21:01.45 | karlpinc | pparadis: (And if it's really bad they hacked the firmware and the hardware must be burnt in a pyre to appease the gods. :-) |
| 21:01.59 | pparadis | hah, nod |
| 21:02.40 | pparadis | cesurasean: you may wish to stop right now and use bootable read-only media (such as a cd) to make an image of your system in its present state. |
| 21:03.04 | kevlarman | karlpinc: tbh if i was interesting enough to someone who could flash the firmware on a live OS without me noticing, i'd find a new job :P |
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| 21:04.32 | karlpinc | cesurasean: You could boot a debian live-cd and point it's webserver to your data, but really you don't know what data is there any longer. That might just extend your serving up of somebody else's data. Back to backups or a full audit of what's there is the only sure way. |
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| 21:06.28 | pparadis | cesurasean: forgive me for not catching it in the scrollback if it's there, but what purpose was this system serving? |
| 21:06.56 | dvs | pparadis: nuclear weaponry. ;-P |
| 21:07.12 | pparadis | dvs: nah, that stuff half runs on windows. |
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| 21:08.14 | tralala | now here's a thought to keep you awake at night... |
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| 21:09.06 | dvs | Gives BSOD a whole new meaning |
| 21:09.24 | tralala | shudders |
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| 21:10.01 | karlpinc | + |
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| 21:18.49 | mm28 | http://pastebin.com/bBvDphY4 |
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| 21:20.04 | innociv | I need to compile something that requires libmysqlclient15off. How am I supposed to install it? |
| 21:20.08 | mm28 | this was working fine back in may, according to my logs but i didnt worry about it |
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| 21:20.54 | mm28 | this is with sid if that matters |
| 21:21.10 | ZitZ | innociv, i'm not sure what you want, but apt-get build-dep may be your friend there |
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| 21:21.30 | asmith | !seen pascik |
| 21:21.31 | dpkg | asmith: i haven't seen 'pascik' |
| 21:23.01 | zecrazytux | innociv: you probably need libmysqlclient-dev |
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| 21:23.17 | innociv | No, I already have that |
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| 21:23.55 | zecrazytux | innociv: what's the exact error when compiling, then ? |
| 21:24.09 | tremon | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libmysqlclient15off ? |
| 21:24.40 | innociv | I know that I need libmysqlclient15off, regardless of error. |
| 21:25.32 | innociv | I should use the ubuntu one? Alright |
| 21:26.13 | tremon | innociv: the package doesn't appear to have been in debian |
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| 21:26.59 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 21:26.59 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 21:26.59 | zecrazytux | innociv: why does libmysqlclient16 not fullfil your need ? |
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| 21:27.20 | innociv | Nope. |
| 21:27.26 | innociv | Seems not. |
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| 21:28.02 | themill | innociv: it would be easier to help you if you told us what you were doing |
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| 21:28.10 | ompaul | innociv: can you explain to us why you need that exact one? |
| 21:28.13 | nsadmin | innociv, and we need the message if we are to help... if you'd like you can find and solve the problem yourself... I don't see another way other than telepathy |
| 21:28.16 | ompaul | what drives that |
| 21:28.16 | innociv | Trying to compile ajax push engine. |
| 21:28.18 | zecrazytux | innociv: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=60061 i bet |
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| 21:28.48 | nsadmin | that's somehow related to mysql? |
| 21:28.48 | innociv | It does not seem to work with newer mysql packages. |
| 21:28.53 | innociv | Yes. It uses mysql. |
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| 21:29.00 | zecrazytux | innociv: but you seems to be sure of what you need whithout knowing why, or at lest you don't provide us with details, so that we can't help much |
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| 21:30.36 | innociv | I believe it's actually spidermonkey that requires it, and spidermonkey is included with ajax push engine. |
| 21:30.44 | innociv | For SSJS mysql driver. |
| 21:31.22 | zecrazytux | innociv: why can't it be linked against libmysqlclient16 ? |
| 21:31.36 | themill | if you're compiling, you shouldn't need a specific libmysqlclient abi |
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| 21:38.07 | abdelkhalak | _jesse_ thank you for your help; indeed the i915 video driver from squeeze backports works!! and i'm using it now with the 2.6 kernel!! |
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| 21:48.13 | _ramok | hi |
| 21:48.25 | _ramok | how can i check the version of a package when using apt-cache? |
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| 21:50.00 | Sevet_ | apt-cache show $packagename |
| 21:50.28 | tremon | | grep ^Version |
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| 21:51.31 | mm28 | does anyone know why i am getting this error http://pastebin.com/bBvDphY4 |
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| 21:52.10 | abrotman | mm28: what is PeerGuardian Linux ?> |
| 21:52.27 | mm28 | firewall blocklists |
| 21:52.44 | abrotman | uhm .. why not just use iptables? |
| 21:52.54 | mm28 | it works with iptables |
| 21:53.10 | zecrazytux | abrotman: did you read the whole error message ? :) |
| 21:53.10 | Sevet_ | mm28: did you check /var/log/pgl/pglcmd.log? |
| 21:53.11 | abrotman | it does tell you how to fix it |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | zecrazytux: the part where it says how to fix it? Sure, but it's not my system |
| 21:53.38 | Sevet_ | abrotman: it's online lists of suspected RIAA addresses for P2P users to block |
| 21:54.15 | abrotman | sounds .. fun |
| 21:54.15 | zecrazytux | abrotman: the reason wich it is likely to fail |
| 21:54.25 | abrotman | zecrazytux: it's still not my box |
| 21:54.34 | mm28 | zecrazytux: depends what you want it to do |
| 21:54.58 | mm28 | also blocks ads, countries |
| 21:55.12 | zecrazytux | abrotman: hu, sorry. mm28 * |
| 21:56.00 | mm28 | i understand the naysayers though |
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| 21:56.37 | superstraw | nay! |
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| 21:58.13 | mm28 | hmm ..Setting up iptables for INPUT: |
| 21:58.14 | mm28 | ....Creating chainiptables: Chain already exists. failed! |
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| 21:58.34 | JeremyS | What's the deal with the libwine-gecko-1.1.0 package? |
| 21:58.48 | JeremyS | wine-bin-unstable depends on it, but I can't find it in any repository |
| 21:59.18 | kevlarman | ,versions libwine-gecko |
| 21:59.20 | judd | No package named 'libwine-gecko' was found in i386. |
| 21:59.25 | kevlarman | ,versions libwine-gecko-1.1.0 |
| 21:59.26 | judd | No package named 'libwine-gecko-1.1.0' was found in i386. |
| 21:59.42 | JeremyS | I'm on amd64, if that makes a difference |
| 21:59.45 | _newb | ompaul: how do i "spec silence" like you suggested? :$ |
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| 22:00.15 | kevlarman | JeremyS: are you on stable? |
| 22:00.30 | JeremyS | I run a some from stable, some from unstabler |
| 22:00.45 | JeremyS | I'm running into problems with stable wine, so I'm trying to upgrade to unstable wine. |
| 22:01.04 | ompaul | _newb: what is the last comment I made on the subject - about sumo |
| 22:01.14 | JeremyS | I have done this before with many packages with no issue |
| 22:01.18 | JeremyS | using -t unstablre |
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| 22:01.28 | Sevet_ | JeremyS: mixing packages is not a good idea, you're likely to cause more problems because of dependancies |
| 22:01.40 | kevlarman | especially wine |
| 22:01.44 | Sevet_ | you can check squeeze-backports for a newer version |
| 22:01.49 | kevlarman | you're going to pull in half of sid if you do that |
| 22:01.50 | JeremyS | but how is there a package which depends on a nonexistant package? |
| 22:01.56 | superdmp | I have been using this script to start up a python process: http://dpaste.com/767049/; however, on my new Debian server the stop-start-daemon command is reserved for root, so it fails at line 32 - what would be a sensible approach to take to this issue? |
| 22:02.03 | _newb | ompaul: was there something later than 16:44 ? |
| 22:02.08 | kevlarman | JeremyS: 1) that package is more than 2 stable versions out of date |
| 22:02.21 | kevlarman | JeremyS: 2) the old gecko was dropped due to dfsg |
| 22:02.32 | ompaul | 42 |
| 22:02.37 | JeremyS | kevlarman: ahh, thanks |
| 22:02.50 | ompaul | _newb: I said go look at thin clients or ever so slightly fat ones |
| 22:02.56 | tremon | JeremyS: wine has been a problem in debian for a long time. wine-1.4 should be in unstable though |
| 22:03.13 | Sevet_ | especially now since multiarch doesn't exist in squeeze, you'll need to update loads of stuff to support it which'll likely then cause problems with the squeeze packages |
| 22:03.24 | JeremyS | That makes sense, the normal "wine" package with apt-get -t unstable seems to be working |
| 22:03.34 | JeremyS | I already have quite a bit of sid in my distribution |
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| 22:03.41 | JeremyS | err, system |
| 22:03.44 | kevlarman | JeremyS: don't do that |
| 22:03.46 | kevlarman | pick one |
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| 22:03.58 | kevlarman | mixing them is a recipe for disaster |
| 22:04.03 | JeremyS | why? |
| 22:04.06 | JeremyS | I've done it for years |
| 22:04.08 | tremon | JeremyS: note the warnings about mixing releases, and don't mention it here again ;) |
| 22:04.20 | _newb | ompaul: i couldn't figure out how to search by that spec :( |
| 22:04.28 | mm28 | abrotman: the part about how to fix is what i mean, dpkg-reconfigure results in the same state |
| 22:04.42 | kevlarman | JeremyS: because libraries (and even packages) make backward incompatible changes |
| 22:04.43 | abrotman | which part? |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | mm28: show us all the commands you used |
| 22:05.10 | JeremyS | kevlarman: but won't those changes be reflected in the conflicts: field? |
| 22:05.15 | kevlarman | no |
| 22:05.16 | Sevet_ | no |
| 22:05.22 | ompaul | _newb: in your favourite search engine type in the following "thin client" +Linux |
| 22:05.42 | _newb | ompaul: oohhh.. i was looking on that HCL |
| 22:05.46 | mm28 | abrotman: the command in the paste #dpkg-reconfigure --force pglcmd |
| 22:06.01 | mm28 | abrotman: also tried to purge and reinstall |
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| 22:06.58 | mm28 | abrotman: was working at one time but when it failed i was too busy to deal with it at that time |
| 22:07.36 | abrotman | mm28: read the whole message again |
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| 22:09.28 | mm28 | abrotman: oh turn auto start off first ;) - glossed over that and turned autostart on |
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| 22:10.32 | _newb | ompaul: do you have any experience with Wyse? .. do you like the brand? |
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| 22:11.37 | Sevet_ | mm28: did you check the logfile it told you about? |
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| 22:12.01 | mm28 | Sevet_: yes |
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| 22:12.12 | Sevet_ | and anything in there? |
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| 22:12.59 | mm28 | Sevet_: mostly just whether it started or not, am cleaning up atm |
| 22:13.37 | ompaul | _newb: not in the last 10 years |
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| 22:19.22 | _newb | ok |
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| 22:21.40 | mm28 | Sevet_: yes i posted the only error i could find in the log, at the moment i cant copy/(paste works tho) :banging head: |
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| 22:24.36 | mm28 | Sevet_: http://pastebin.com/B2qFUQeL |
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| 22:29.33 | dubcl | hi, i'm looking for an unification filesystem, like unionfs or aufs, any alternative? |
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| 22:30.31 | mm28 | abrotman: switching off autostart allowed update, but after updating lists pgl still wont start, i am going to go in the other room and just retry the purge reboot reinstall |
| 22:30.51 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:30.58 | sney | ulimit |
| 22:31.11 | sney | ww |
| 22:31.52 | tremon | dubcl: I've used funionfs succesfully in the past |
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| 22:42.38 | matt7676 | Any ideas how to start atftpd in a daemon mode? I tried this: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p5873 However, as you can see, for some reason it dod not start. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:47.36 | mm28 | abrotman: removed some extra stuff in var that purge didnt take care of and reinstalled but same issue, oh well at least i figured why it wouldnt upgrade properly... thanks for the help |
| 22:47.36 | Cyclohexane | matt7676: check the log file or man to check you're using the correct param (haven't used atftpd before) |
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| 22:47.46 | abrotman | mm28: still not working ? |
| 22:48.08 | WebDawg | What is a good web based Xen container manager for debian? |
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| 22:48.11 | mm28 | abrotman: ya it wont start |
| 22:48.34 | matt7676 | Cyclohexane, log file is not created. However, I suspect that this is a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609813 |
| 22:48.49 | mm28 | abrotman: i can manually update but not start daemon |
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| 22:49.21 | mm28 | michael@ACA800C5:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/pgl start |
| 22:49.21 | mm28 | [....] Starting PeerGuardian Linux: pgld failed! |
| 22:49.38 | mm28 | abrotman: ^ |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | mm28: you're going to have to contact the maintainre i'll say |
| 22:50.38 | mm28 | ya i kinda figured that in the log i get "..Setting up iptables for INPUT:" |
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| 22:50.38 | mm28 | ....Creating chainiptables: Chain already exists. failed! |
| 22:50.38 | mm28 | cat: /var/lib/pgl/.pglcmd.iptables.remove.sh: No such file or directory |
| 22:50.41 | matt7676 | Cyclohexane, yes, "/usr/sbin/atftpd --logfile atftp.log --daemon --bind-address 192.168.1.65 /tftpboot/" works fine. |
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| 22:51.45 | mm28 | abrotman: funny thing is that it works fine in arch |
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| 22:52.01 | abrotman | mm28: different OS |
| 22:52.06 | abrotman | different scripts/packaging |
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| 22:52.41 | mm28 | i kind of wondered if the freeze had something to do with it but that was too recent |
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| 23:01.29 | bandu | good evening. |
| 23:02.10 | wolfric | so... what do you do when a package maintainer seems to be awol? |
| 23:02.20 | abrotman | who is the maintainer? |
| 23:02.27 | abrotman | and hwich package? |
| 23:02.29 | wolfric | anibal monsalve salazar |
| 23:02.30 | wolfric | ssmtp |
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| 23:03.05 | bandu | wolfric: hunt him down and drag him kicking and screaming back to the grindstone? |
| 23:03.14 | wolfric | bandu: already emailed (her?) |
| 23:03.17 | wolfric | no response... |
| 23:03.22 | bandu | wolfric: interesting. |
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| 23:03.53 | abrotman | wolfric: there was an upload recently |
| 23:03.57 | bandu | question to the channel in general: how difficult is it to learn how to maintain packages for any given foss project? |
| 23:04.01 | abrotman | like .. four days ago |
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| 23:04.13 | abrotman | wolfric: how long ago did you email? possibly anibal is on vacatoin ? |
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| 23:04.18 | bandu | has no idea how to package debian binaries. |
| 23:04.27 | wolfric | march |
| 23:04.29 | abrotman | bandu: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 23:04.35 | wolfric | see the outstanding bugs sure |
| 23:04.38 | abrotman | wolfric: well, clearly packages have been uploaded |
| 23:04.38 | bandu | abrotman: ok. |
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| 23:04.51 | abrotman | bandu: and the answer .. It depends. |
| 23:04.52 | wolfric | abrotman: where do you see that? |
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| 23:05.02 | abrotman | wolfric: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/ssmtp.html |
| 23:05.50 | bandu | abrotman: found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/start.en.html |
| 23:05.57 | bandu | okay, and thank you for the prompt answer. |
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| 23:06.52 | wolfric | abrotman: perhaps i misunderstand something... what about all the outstanding bugs? |
| 23:07.10 | abrotman | wolfric: the uploads may not address those bugs, check the changelog |
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| 23:07.23 | abrotman | wolfric: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/ssmtp/current/changelog |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | wolfric: also note NMUs |
| 23:07.38 | bandu | abrotman: reading the new maintainer's guide. again, thank you. |
| 23:07.53 | abrotman | bandu: good luck! |
| 23:08.06 | abrotman | bandu: also, /msg dpkg mentors .. you may find that of some help |
| 23:08.22 | foo | I'm still on debian 5.0.10. Can someone shoot me a bot factoid on how to upgrade to the latest stable? |
| 23:08.23 | abrotman | bandu: but please do your research before asking them .. |
| 23:08.28 | bandu | i will, and i'll need all the luck i can get |
| 23:08.29 | bandu | sure |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | !tell foo about lenny->squeeze |
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| 23:08.35 | mparodi_ | Hi! |
| 23:08.38 | foo | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:08.41 | mparodi_ | is there any way to reset the panels in KDE so that I fix a problem (they're frozen now) without rebooting KDE? |
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| 23:08.49 | abrotman | foo: good luck |
| 23:08.49 | mparodi_ | I can't change to another application clicking on it. it doesn't work anymore. and I don't want to reboot KDE u.u |
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| 23:09.33 | pparadis | mparodi_: if KDE is locked up in that manner, you're either going to have to kill X or reboot most likely. |
| 23:09.34 | bandu | abrotman: i wouldnt dare pester any busy developer without first doing at least some basic research on my own. |
| 23:09.39 | bandu | i've learned that much. |
| 23:09.45 | abrotman | bandu: thank you :) |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | wolfric: which bug in particular ? |
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| 23:10.36 | abrotman | wolfric: nm, i see enough bad ones that should have been fixed |
| 23:10.40 | mparodi_ | pparadis, it all works, for example I can open pidgin from the tray icon |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | wolfric: well, if you can find a patch that works, please submit them |
| 23:10.59 | pparadis | mparodi_: i'm confused what your problem is then. |
| 23:11.03 | mparodi_ | but I can't change to another app that is not in the tray bar |
| 23:11.19 | mparodi_ | or... for example, I can't open the K menu |
| 23:11.29 | abrotman | alt-tab ? |
| 23:11.32 | foo | abrotman: this is all my sources.list has - http://pastebin.com/VBN7weE1 - does that look right? I'm getting an error running apt-get update trying to fetch this: http://pastebin.com/frUfPDLn |
| 23:11.41 | mparodi_ | sure, but i'ts panful, abrotman :P |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 23:11.47 | mparodi_ | painful* |
| 23:11.50 | abrotman | lives by the keyboard |
| 23:11.51 | foo | abrotman: any thoughts? hmph. |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | foo: still reading .. moment |
| 23:12.03 | pparadis | mparodi_: if you're not able to even get the K menu to display, i'm going to revert back to "either kill X or reboot" |
| 23:12.08 | foo | abrotman: np |
| 23:12.13 | dax | kill plasma-desktop and restart it? |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | foo: a) no idea what newrelic is b) squeeeze is not at archive.debian.org |
| 23:12.22 | mparodi_ | hmn, I'll try ^ |
| 23:12.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell foo about squeeze sources.list |
| 23:12.40 | dvs | foo: lenny is in archive |
| 23:12.40 | pparadis | dax: nod, that may work, although when things get into that kind of state i question the system as a whole. |
| 23:12.48 | foo | hmm |
| 23:12.54 | pparadis | mparodi_: what version of debian are you running? anything in logs? |
| 23:13.15 | foo | abrotman: ok, I'll add the two main lines. hm, not sure about relic either. |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | foo: comment out the other ones .. just add those two the bot gave you |
| 23:13.36 | pparadis | mparodi_: what were you doing immediately before this happened? |
| 23:13.38 | mparodi_ | the problem is a widget I use to upload screenshots quickly, it's not the first time it crash like that -.-" |
| 23:13.42 | foo | abrotman: doing that now :) |
| 23:13.47 | abrotman | foo: plus "contrib non-free" if you need those |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | you were using contrib before |
| 23:14.25 | mparodi_ | pparadis, it's call "pastebin" I guess, let me check |
| 23:15.02 | mparodi_ | yep, pastebin |
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| 23:16.08 | foo | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/QKWDqrSs - now I just get 2 errors. although, I still have this newrelic. hm, I have no other lines in sources.list.... weird. |
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| 23:16.53 | pparadis | foo: you may wish to consider using http://paste.debian.net in the future, as it isn't laden with ads and loads faster. |
| 23:17.02 | abrotman | foo: where are you geographically ? |
| 23:17.07 | foo | pparadis: thanks :) pastebin.com is asking me for captcha each time too |
| 23:17.14 | foo | abrotman: me or the server? :) server is in NY |
| 23:17.52 | themill | foo: what version of debian are you actually running right now? |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | foo: comment out the http.debian.net line .. use "deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ squeeze main contrib" instead |
| 23:18.05 | foo | themill: 5.0.10 |
| 23:18.31 | mparodi_ | <dax> kill plasma-desktop and restart it? <- thanks |
| 23:18.40 | pparadis | mparodi_: worked out okay? |
| 23:19.02 | mparodi_ | yes, almost.. just a few problems (some icons that were in the system tray now are in little windows) |
| 23:19.24 | pparadis | mparodi_: btw, i'm still interested in knowing what version of debian you're running (forgive me if i missed it) and what app is causing that kind of lockup. |
| 23:19.54 | mparodi_ | I already said.. it was a KDE widget called "pastebin", on Debian testing |
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| 23:20.04 | themill | hmmm.. lenny's apt should support 302 redirects |
| 23:20.32 | abrotman | foo: better? |
| 23:20.35 | pparadis | mparodi_: huh, okay, i associate pastebins with textual content, is that the app you were using for screenshots? |
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| 23:20.45 | foo | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/177629/ - yup |
| 23:21.00 | foo | abrotman: newrelic must be messing with apt or be ingrained somewhere else |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | foo: read the rest of what the bot told you |
| 23:21.15 | mparodi_ | pparadis, yep, it can upload text or images from the clipboard to many services in a few seconds. but sometimes it crashes u.u |
| 23:21.22 | themill | foo: what does "apt-cache policy apt" output? |
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| 23:21.48 | pparadis | mparodi_: for posting logs and such to pastebins, you may be interested in pastebinit |
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| 23:21.53 | foo | themill: http://paste.debian.net/177630/ |
| 23:21.54 | pparadis | !tell mparodi_ about pastebinit |
| 23:22.00 | mparodi_ | I know it |
| 23:22.01 | foo | abrotman: for upgrading to squeeze or the sources stuff? |
| 23:22.03 | mparodi_ | but it's far better |
| 23:22.04 | themill | mparodi_: "kquitapp plasma-desktop ; sleep 5 ; plasma-desktop &>> ~/.xsession-errors" is much more polite than killing plasma outright. |
| 23:22.08 | mparodi_ | just one click and it's uploaded |
| 23:22.21 | mparodi_ | also, it save the URL to the clipboard so you just need to paste it |
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| 23:22.46 | abrotman | foo: whowha? |
| 23:23.03 | pparadis | it does sound neat, too bad it's the cause (or something in KDE reacting badly is the cause) for what you've seen. |
| 23:23.04 | dvs | foo: Read what the bot told you about upgrading. |
| 23:23.17 | foo | dvs: aha, ok, so this newrelic stuff is ok? |
| 23:23.20 | foo | eg. I should ignore that? |
| 23:23.33 | dvs | foo: No, I'd get rid of that. |
| 23:23.40 | mparodi_ | pparadis, yeah, specially when you upload many images one after another... |
| 23:23.55 | foo | dvs: it's not in my sources.list. dpkg -l doesn't show anything related to that. any thoughts on how it's messing with my sources.list ? |
| 23:24.05 | pparadis | mparodi_: if you can figure out a way to make it consistently misbehave, please file bug reports on it. |
| 23:24.26 | mparodi_ | ok |
| 23:24.42 | mparodi_ | how do you log it? |
| 23:24.42 | dvs | foo: sources.list.d ? |
| 23:24.44 | abrotman | foo: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 23:24.55 | foo | abrotman: aha! |
| 23:24.57 | foo | here it is |
| 23:24.58 | pparadis | mparodi_: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 23:25.09 | mparodi_ | no no, I mean.. how you save the log of the widget |
| 23:25.24 | foo | abrotman / dvs - ok, newrelic is gone. I'm contining with upgrade instructions now. thanks! |
| 23:25.31 | dvs | no prob |
| 23:25.34 | mparodi_ | I don't even know how it's really called (the executable) |
| 23:26.32 | foo | crosses fingers |
| 23:26.37 | pparadis | mparodi_: i'm not sitting in front of your workstation, so i'm not sure what you're seeing exactly, but any way you can save such data would be okay. text, even via copy and paste, or worst case scenario taking a pic of it with a smartphone or whatever so you can transcribe it later if everything locks up, would be things to thing about. |
| 23:27.29 | mparodi_ | alright |
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| 23:46.18 | alex12 | hey folks |
| 23:47.18 | alex12 | I am using debian live with gnome, it shows wireless network intel pro wireless 3945abg disconnected |
| 23:47.46 | alex12 | I wonder how do I make wifi work |
| 23:48.37 | abrotman | it requires firmware |
| 23:48.40 | stew | I would assume that debian live is missing the needed firmware |
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| 23:48.45 | stew | s/assume/hope/ |
| 23:49.58 | alex12 | stew hmm then how do I connect to internet? to download firmare wifi is also required |
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| 23:50.28 | alex12 | can I install pppoe protocol in debian live from cd somewhow? |
| 23:50.47 | alex12 | i got dsl too however it requires pppoe as its via lan |
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| 23:50.54 | stew | i would assume pppoe is there |
| 23:50.58 | alex12 | its not |
| 23:51.00 | alex12 | I checked |
| 23:51.33 | nkuttler | alex12: how did you check? |
| 23:51.49 | alex12 | via synaptic package manager |
| 23:52.12 | alex12 | I can select it for install however then it want access to debian www repository |
| 23:52.23 | alex12 | to download packages |
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| 23:53.36 | foo | abrotman: it's asking me which device to install grub on. This system is in the cloud at a hosting company. My options are /dev/xvda and /dev/xvda1 - it can't hurt anything if I install grub on both, right? |
| 23:55.15 | nsadmin | alex12, can you temporarily do wired? |
| 23:55.28 | nsadmin | while you're getting wireless going |
| 23:55.45 | alex12 | nsadmin wired here works only via pppoe |
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| 23:56.52 | alex12 | as to wifi it says device not ready, maybe I have to enable it somewhere? |
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| 23:57.40 | dvs | alex12: wifi only works with no encryption or with WEP. And if you have the firmware files too. |
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| 23:59.16 | foo | Hm, I guess this goes for anyone: I am upgrading from lenny to squeeze it's asking me which device to install grub on. This system is in the cloud at a hosting company. My options are /dev/xvda and /dev/xvda1 - it can't hurt anything if I install grub on both, right? |
