| 00:00.48 | nsadmin | foo, have you tested that you can boot from the cloud? |
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| 00:01.06 | foo | nsadmin: hm, it's like a vps I think |
| 00:01.11 | foo | nsadmin: maybe I should ask hosting company |
| 00:01.13 | foo | heh |
| 00:02.13 | alex12 | dvs I can change wifi settings, firmware I think is there else how would it know that its intel pro 3945abg card? |
| 00:02.28 | nsadmin | foo, you could install onto /dev/xvda and try... no guarantees |
| 00:02.29 | dvs | That needs firmware |
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| 00:03.04 | foo | dvs: firmware comment, was that for me? |
| 00:03.08 | alex12 | dvs lol crazy stuff yet u right |
| 00:03.39 | dvs | foo: Acutally, it would be easier to download this install image: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 00:03.53 | dvs | oops that's the alex12 |
| 00:04.07 | dvs | alex12: Acutally, it would be easier to download this install image: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 00:04.16 | nsadmin | that's a dir tho :) which thing in there? |
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| 00:04.44 | alex12 | dvs is it live debian? |
| 00:05.01 | dvs | alex12: No, it's a modified debian netinst |
| 00:05.05 | alex12 | I am using live cd to restore windows mrb with a linux util |
| 00:05.06 | foo | dvs: gotcha |
| 00:05.12 | alex12 | mbr |
| 00:07.09 | dvs | !fixmbr |
| 00:07.10 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 00:07.17 | dvs | oops |
| 00:07.34 | alex12 | dvs I done fixmbr fixboot |
| 00:07.38 | alex12 | it does not work |
| 00:07.56 | alex12 | there is linux util I want to use however it requires internet access to download it |
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| 00:08.14 | alex12 | i can access partition now from linux it mounts |
| 00:08.21 | alex12 | win partition |
| 00:08.34 | sweeper | hey folks, when init tries to mount /dev on /root/dev, is /root/dev a file or a directory or what? |
| 00:08.47 | alex12 | di |
| 00:08.49 | sweeper | because I can mount the fs, so I'd like to try to recreate it |
| 00:08.51 | alex12 | directory |
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| 00:08.54 | sweeper | ok |
| 00:09.24 | dvs | alex12: No idea how to restore a Windows MBR. I'm always trying to restore a GRUB MBR |
| 00:09.28 | nsadmin | sweeper, default debian installs mount the devfs on /dev (not /root/dev) |
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| 00:09.51 | foo | if I install grub on a device, can break anything? hmm |
| 00:09.53 | sweeper | well I've got a broken 6.0.4 vm image I'm recovering |
| 00:10.05 | alex12 | foo grub is multi os loader? |
| 00:10.11 | dvs | yes |
| 00:10.20 | sweeper | ok that didn't work.... |
| 00:10.26 | alex12 | i think I used grub once its fine |
| 00:10.32 | alex12 | even helps to access win |
| 00:10.32 | dvs | alex12: Oh, so you want to boot Windows from Grub? |
| 00:10.40 | alex12 | dvs I might now |
| 00:10.50 | foo | alex12: I don't know which device to install it on. is there any way to figure this out? |
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| 00:10.59 | alex12 | dvs there is another util that works without grubs |
| 00:11.06 | sweeper | I'm getting an ext3fs error, despite fsck returning clean, and I'm also getting a mount error 'mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: input/output error' |
| 00:11.09 | alex12 | foo what u mean which device? |
| 00:11.11 | dvs | alex12: The os-prober package will add Windows to a GRUB menu. |
| 00:12.04 | alex12 | dvs to download package that pc in question have to get online, else slow method burn ppooe on dvd and install from it |
| 00:12.07 | alex12 | I think lol |
| 00:12.17 | foo | http://pastebin.com/HP8hDTXe |
| 00:12.18 | foo | alex12: ^^ |
| 00:12.53 | alex12 | alex12 is linux idiot however i worked in accounts, etc so I can use logic sometimes lol |
| 00:13.26 | pparadis | foo: is that VPS actually using the kernel and grub you have installed, or is it booting using a native host kernel? |
| 00:13.35 | pparadis | rather, s/native host/host/ |
| 00:13.47 | foo | pparadis: I just selected the partition 1... let's hope that works, or else I'm screwed. |
| 00:14.17 | pparadis | foo: you generally want to install to the master boot record of a device, not a partition. |
| 00:14.26 | alex12 | yes |
| 00:14.33 | nsadmin | foo, will it break something? dunno. is this a remote you're renting? |
| 00:14.33 | alex12 | the one it boots from |
| 00:14.57 | pparadis | of course, if that VPS is using a host-supplied kernel, it won't matter what you install there. |
| 00:15.04 | foo | pparadis: err, how can I get back to that screen? that would make sense. |
| 00:15.10 | foo | I haven't rebooted yet |
| 00:16.02 | pparadis | foo: http://linux.die.net/man/8/grub-install |
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| 00:16.33 | pparadis | foo: you might try --> grub-install /dev/xvda |
| 00:16.38 | foo | pparadis: thanks ! |
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| 00:16.47 | foo | pparadis: hm, and I wonder how to uninstall it from /dev/xdva1 |
| 00:16.50 | foo | or if I can even uninstall grub... |
| 00:16.50 | foo | hmm |
| 00:17.00 | pparadis | foo: but you still haven't indicated whether it's actually using the kernel in your VM or if it's using a host-supplied kernel. |
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| 00:17.18 | pparadis | foo: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 00:17.40 | alex12 | guys I want to mount maxtor usb hard drive on that debian live, I pluged it in it does not work yet |
| 00:17.50 | alex12 | anything else I can do to make it work? |
| 00:17.53 | nsadmin | he didn't reboot from the installer yet.... maybe he could look at /target/lib/moidules |
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| 00:18.08 | pparadis | foo: it probably isn't going to hurt anything to have grub sitting in the mbr of /dev/xvda1 btw. what does "uname -a" say? |
| 00:18.18 | foo | pparadis: 2.6.26-2-xen-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 5 02:55:27 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:18.25 | foo | pparadis: ok, so, grub can't break anything? |
| 00:18.37 | foo | eg. if both /dev/xvda and /dev/xvda1 have grub, it's fine, right? |
| 00:18.53 | alex12 | lol it says so |
| 00:18.55 | alex12 | in u p |
| 00:18.56 | pparadis | foo: as long as the root device actually has it things should work. |
| 00:18.58 | alex12 | pastie |
| 00:19.06 | alex12 | that ita |
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| 00:19.18 | alex12 | that its adviceable to install on both |
| 00:19.41 | pparadis | alex12: that's a "just in case" measure, but it's a great idea to know what's actually being used. |
| 00:19.54 | foo | pparadis: ok, thanks |
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| 00:19.59 | foo | pparadis: mysql broke, trying to fix that first, heh |
| 00:20.00 | pparadis | and that isn't really lolworthy. |
| 00:20.53 | nsadmin | being lolworthy isn't lolworthy |
| 00:21.04 | pparadis | indeed |
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| 00:25.46 | alex12 | my newest idea to fix this pc is to send drivers via blueetoth |
| 00:26.43 | alex12 | or is there some live distro release with pppoee? |
| 00:26.43 | dvs | alex12: And there's no other machine that has a conection to the internet? |
| 00:26.55 | alex12 | dvs I have |
| 00:27.08 | alex12 | thats the one I am using now here |
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| 00:27.43 | kevlarman | alex12: do you have a lan? |
| 00:28.06 | dvs | alex12: Then why not download the packages you need from the connection machine from http://packages.debian.org/ and then use a USB drive to transport the packages from that machine to the one with no connection? |
| 00:28.21 | alex12 | dvs usb drive wont mount, weird |
| 00:28.27 | alex12 | I am using Maxtor usb hd |
| 00:28.34 | foo | pparadis: btw, I think grub-install /dev/xvda worked, thanks |
| 00:28.45 | pparadis | foo: sure thing |
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| 00:30.39 | alex12 | time to buy new laptop i think |
| 00:30.41 | alex12 | :) |
| 00:31.05 | alex12 | the crazy debian distro disabled usb ports saying current overload on win they do work |
| 00:31.41 | deuterium | hia, having a problem with postfix: /var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp Connection refused. any idea? |
| 00:32.14 | dvs | alex12: What CPU is on the laptop? |
| 00:32.23 | alex12 | intel dual core |
| 00:32.32 | alex12 | its dell d620 |
| 00:32.45 | dvs | Core 1? Core 2? i3? What? |
| 00:32.56 | pparadis | this? http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+latitude+d620 |
| 00:33.01 | alex12 | yep |
| 00:33.45 | pparadis | alex12: http://www.grinning-monkey.gnurple.net/index.php/Debian_on_a_Dell_Latitude_D620_-_Notes |
| 00:34.35 | alex12 | ty |
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| 00:34.51 | alex12 | i feel its time to buy new laptop nonetheless |
| 00:34.59 | alex12 | dell620 fan is noisy |
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| 00:36.36 | alex12 | dvs btw out of curiosity i run debian install and it can access usb however outside instal it wont mount |
| 00:36.49 | alex12 | any ideas what can I do to enable it? |
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| 00:37.08 | alex12 | my latest idea is to run debian install, if it has grub it might work |
| 00:37.14 | dvs | alex12: Use the rescue mode in the installer |
| 00:37.24 | cesurasean | is there a way to fix this error? - The requested operation cannot be performed on a file with a user-mapped section open |
| 00:37.24 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.40 | alex12 | dvs what does rescue mode does? |
| 00:37.43 | pparadis | cesurasean: are you referring to the system that was determined to be compromised earlier? |
| 00:37.58 | cesurasean | no |
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| 00:38.18 | dvs | alex12: Sets up the connections and then goes to a command line |
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| 00:38.40 | alex12 | dvs connections to what? |
| 00:38.44 | pparadis | cesurasean: first hit in google --> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1302698/system-io-exception-error-the-requested-operation-cannot-be-performed-on-a-fil |
| 00:38.53 | alex12 | how it can help to restore windows boot record |
| 00:38.55 | alex12 | :) |
| 00:39.06 | dvs | alex12: Your hard drive for example |
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| 00:39.40 | pparadis | cesurasean: alternately --> http://frm.li/LTGBW |
| 00:39.44 | alex12 | dvs I can access win partition via debian live also |
| 00:39.47 | alex12 | direct |
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| 00:42.39 | dvs | alex12: Why do you want Debian to repair the MBR for Windows? |
| 00:43.02 | alex12 | dvs to be able to use |
| 00:43.05 | alex12 | how else can I do it? |
| 00:43.16 | pparadis | ms-sys |
| 00:43.19 | dvs | alex12: To go back to windows? |
| 00:43.37 | alex12 | ms sys yes thats what I want to use |
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| 00:43.52 | alex12 | however requires internet to download package! :D |
| 00:45.47 | dvs | alex12: I'd use the kmuto image to do a new install. |
| 00:46.53 | alex12 | i think dell d620 goes to parts |
| 00:46.54 | alex12 | lol |
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| 00:51.35 | alex12 | dvs does kmuto image have pppooe support? |
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| 00:52.55 | dvs | alex12: No, but it has wireless (WPA) |
| 00:53.21 | alex12 | dvs hmm might work might not and do they have live cd version |
| 00:54.27 | dvs | nope |
| 00:57.52 | alex12 | dvs I might try slax :D |
| 00:57.56 | alex12 | build a slax |
| 00:58.08 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:58.30 | alex12 | www.slax.org |
| 00:58.30 | alex12 | looks neat |
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| 01:00.52 | stew | the live cd technology of last decade combined with slackware, the linux of the 90s! |
| 01:01.15 | pparadis | D: |
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| 01:02.05 | alex12 | :) |
| 01:02.15 | alex12 | if it works its fine |
| 01:03.05 | pparadis | busts out his 90s CDs to go along with this CD. |
| 01:03.24 | sney | alex12: if you want a livecd use the debian livecd. but I'm still at a loss as to what you're trying to do. |
| 01:03.32 | alex12 | pparadis btw do u still own sinclair? :P |
| 01:03.33 | sney | pparadis: Gin Blossoms? |
| 01:03.37 | pparadis | alex12: 3 of them. |
| 01:03.47 | pparadis | and a tape deck. and a b/w monitor to go with them. |
| 01:03.53 | pparadis | gets back on-topic |
| 01:03.54 | alex12 | sney I want to use live cd to fix windows mbr |
| 01:04.08 | alex12 | atari is nice concole |
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| 01:04.18 | pparadis | sney: hellz yeah |
| 01:04.22 | alex12 | with prince of persia |
| 01:04.51 | sney | alex12: windows doesn't use the mbr. Delete anything in the mbr, and windows will load. |
| 01:05.40 | alex12 | shey atm I can access partion via linux however it wont boot |
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| 01:06.07 | sney | maybe ask in ##windows |
| 01:06.07 | alex12 | I read online to use fixmbr and fixboot does not work then next idea use linux util to fix it |
| 01:06.25 | alex12 | I already asked and dude told me to use linux to fix it |
| 01:06.26 | alex12 | :D |
| 01:06.48 | Devastator | ask them how linux could fix it |
| 01:06.50 | sney | well, it's pretty offtopic for #debian. just google 'linux erase mbr' or something like that |
| 01:07.08 | BtbN | of course windows needs an intact mbr. |
| 01:08.04 | sney | !windows |
| 01:08.04 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:08.15 | alex12 | :) |
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| 01:14.49 | sweeper | http://pastie.org/4196331 <-- hmm. how should I fix this? :P |
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| 01:16.37 | Newbumz | Hello all. |
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| 01:16.53 | dvs | ya bumz! :-P |
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| 01:16.58 | Newbumz | So how can I tell for sure if root is disabled on a box? |
| 01:16.59 | alex12 | hey |
| 01:17.13 | Newbumz | I am a little tipsy and my google-fu is failing me. |
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| 01:18.38 | Newbumz | Well more specifically root to the ssh server. I am working on an image some one else created. |
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| 01:19.08 | sney | Newbumz: well, if root doesn't have a shell in /etc/passwd, that's a start at least |
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| 01:21.15 | karlpinc | Newbumz: Probably what you want is to disable remote root login, not disable root itself. |
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| 01:22.03 | karlpinc | Newbumz: For that, there's a PermitRootLogin directive (iirc) in sshd_config. See "man sshd_config". |
| 01:22.07 | Newbumz | Correct. I am used to running root. This image has "root disabled" or what ever. I just want to make sure there is not a actual password to log into it other then the set sudo accounts. |
| 01:22.34 | sney | you could set root's password to some unguessable hash |
| 01:22.37 | dvs | sounds dangerous to me |
| 01:24.17 | kevlarman | that's what passwd -l does essentially |
| 01:24.29 | kevlarman | sets the hash to something that can never be generated |
| 01:25.24 | symptom | is there a bug number tracking the fglrx support of xserver 1.12? |
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| 01:26.35 | kevlarman | symptom: 12.6 already supports it |
| 01:26.49 | Newbumz | Thanks for the help. As the name says newb. Think I have changed what I needed on this now. |
| 01:26.49 | symptom | then why isnt in the repos? |
| 01:27.25 | kevlarman | ,versions fglrx-glx |
| 01:27.26 | judd | Package: fglrx-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6-2 |
| 01:27.30 | kevlarman | ^it is |
| 01:27.38 | symptom | kevlarman, but no wheezy? |
| 01:27.47 | symptom | what gives? |
| 01:28.13 | n-iCe | what can I do if the fan of my laptop is not working? |
| 01:28.31 | dvs | symptom: Too new a package. There's a grace period to get into wheezy |
| 01:28.32 | kevlarman | symptom: btw it only supports hd5000 series and newer |
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| 01:29.05 | symptom | kevlarman, $ lspci | grep AMD |
| 01:29.05 | symptom | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Madison [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] |
| 01:29.11 | symptom | ;) |
| 01:29.20 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... i have debian 6 with kde here but i can't enable 3d Effects now ... any help ? |
| 01:29.32 | kevlarman | symptom: lots of people with perfectly good 4870s getting ruined by this |
| 01:29.46 | symptom | ok, so after some soak time it will be backported to wheezy? What is the usual soak time? |
| 01:29.49 | dvs | or 4850 |
| 01:29.58 | kevlarman | symptom: 2 weeks iirc |
| 01:30.03 | engla | 10 days |
| 01:30.08 | symptom | kevlarman, so there is NO fglrx support for < 5000 thats BS. |
| 01:30.17 | kevlarman | symptom: yup |
| 01:30.35 | symptom | well better than nvidia I suppose... |
| 01:30.36 | dvs | that's closed source drivers |
| 01:30.51 | kevlarman | dvs: no it's amd's closed source drivers |
| 01:30.54 | symptom | dvs. Yea I would be all about the OS driver, but the power management sucks |
| 01:31.15 | engla | symptom: you can check the status here. http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver.html it's not going to migrate, since there is a bug blocking that |
| 01:31.15 | kevlarman | dvs: nvidia's blob supports down to geforce 5000 or 6000 series |
| 01:31.32 | kevlarman | they recently released a new 173 driver with 1.12 support |
| 01:31.34 | dvs | kevlarman: That's what I meant, the AMD closed source drivers. |
| 01:31.37 | symptom | and I know < nothing about writing graphics drivers, so I have to depend on brains larger than mine |
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| 01:32.11 | kevlarman | symptom: also the 3d performance is seriously lacking |
| 01:32.29 | symptom | engla, thats a great link, thanks. |
| 01:32.37 | kevlarman | (of all 3 open source drivers) |
| 01:32.47 | symptom | kevlarman, true, but I am less concerned with that. |
| 01:33.18 | symptom | on my laptop OS drivers give me MAYBE 2 hrs. with fglrx im at about 3:30 |
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| 01:33.25 | symptom | batt life that is. |
| 01:33.41 | symptom | I also need the HDMI support |
| 01:33.47 | symptom | audio specifically |
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| 01:34.46 | kevlarman | symptom: you'd love the power management in slightly old nouveau then :D |
| 01:35.09 | kevlarman | (they couldn't get fermi cards above the minimum clock until fairly recently) |
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| 01:37.11 | pparadis | kevlarman: brings this to mind --> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/linus-torvalds-says-f-k-you-to-nvidia/ |
| 01:37.15 | pparadis | classic moment. |
| 01:37.53 | kevlarman | pparadis: that's great, and i'd love to buy $200 amd graphics cards, but they don't work |
| 01:37.54 | symptom | linus and RMS are always good for a laugh |
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| 01:38.37 | Owner | how would you backup a list of installed packages (non base?) for reinstallation later |
| 01:38.41 | pparadis | kevlarman: hey, i'm not suggesting you pay $200 for a graphics card, i'm simply saying he has a point :) |
| 01:39.03 | kevlarman | pparadis: i did pay roughly that for an nvidia graphics card |
| 01:39.20 | kevlarman | because at the end of the day nvidia's blob works and amd's blob/radeon don't |
| 01:39.26 | pparadis | symptom: RMS isn't good for a laugh. he's more good for a sigh or a cry, and has been for a long time. i ignore him these days. |
| 01:39.50 | nevyn | pparadis: hrm. his imagined reality has come to pass |
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| 01:40.01 | pparadis | sorry, i'm veering offtopic. |
| 01:40.02 | ManoftheSea | which reality is this? |
| 01:40.20 | nevyn | ManoftheSea: specifically right to read |
| 01:40.34 | nevyn | is what I was thinking of. |
| 01:40.58 | ManoftheSea | so, I'm having trouble with zeitgeist in wheezy. Can I ask questions here? |
| 01:41.05 | kevlarman | Owner: dpkg --list-selections with some heavy awking afterwards |
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| 01:42.37 | Yeretik | What's happen with ia32-libs and ia32-libs -gtk in Debian Sid ? |
| 01:43.11 | Yeretik | What's happen with ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk* in Debian Sid ? |
| 01:43.58 | Owner | kevlarman~# well i could have figured that out...im suprised there isnt a better way |
| 01:44.35 | kevlarman | Yeretik: replaced by multilib |
| 01:44.37 | Owner | kevlarman~# that didnt work... |
| 01:44.55 | Yeretik | multilib ? |
| 01:44.59 | kevlarman | err it's dpkg --list |
| 01:45.08 | Yeretik | This is the package name ? |
| 01:45.08 | kevlarman | i'm mixing up commands apparently |
| 01:45.19 | kevlarman | Yeretik: what's the package name of what? |
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| 01:45.55 | Yeretik | kevlarman, The replacement of ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk ? Is multilib? |
| 01:46.17 | kevlarman | Yeretik: it's not a single package |
| 01:46.49 | kevlarman | Yeretik: (almost) all 32 bit libraries are no installable on a 64 bit system |
| 01:47.06 | Yeretik | What package i need to install in order to recover my 32bits applications? I'm using Sid 64bits |
| 01:47.20 | kevlarman | Yeretik: it's not a single package... |
| 01:47.34 | Yeretik | What i need then ? |
| 01:47.50 | kevlarman | how would i know? you still haven't said what's missing |
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| 01:48.34 | Owner | kevlarman~# you think selections might be better? (i mistyped) i wont necesarily need the version number to install things |
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| 01:52.24 | Yeretik | i had installed before today's upgrade |
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| 01:55.04 | Yeretik | kevlarman, I had installed before today's system upgrade... After this, they were removed and when i try to install them again, i can't |
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| 01:55.50 | kevlarman | Yeretik: because they aren't needed anymore... |
| 01:56.09 | kevlarman | instead of one giant blob of libraries, they all have their own packages |
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| 01:56.21 | Owner | kevlarman~# dpkg --get-selections | grep "\sinstall" | cut -f1 > dpkg.bak |
| 01:56.55 | Owner | kevlarman~# packages=""; while read -r packagel do packages+=" $package"; done < dpkg.bak; apt-get install $packages |
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| 01:57.39 | Owner | kevlarman~# thx |
| 01:58.27 | Yeretik | So which are those packages ? |
| 01:58.28 | kevlarman | Owner: that's probably going to run into the maximum command line length easily |
| 01:58.41 | Owner | thats true |
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| 02:01.40 | kevlarman | Owner: also that's going to trash the automatically installed state iirc |
| 02:02.01 | Owner | ok do i do upgrade? |
| 02:02.03 | Owner | instead? |
| 02:02.25 | Owner | upgrade with a install if not existing? |
| 02:02.29 | Owner | is that possible |
| 02:02.43 | kevlarman | um i don't actually know how to look that up |
| 02:02.53 | kevlarman | basically you want a list of all explicitly installed packages |
| 02:03.27 | Owner | you are right |
| 02:03.30 | Owner | so i should check history |
| 02:04.29 | Owner | i can remove all the items in apt-cache showauto for one |
| 02:04.56 | un214 | can you set the auto state manually? |
| 02:05.32 | Owner | lool apt-cache pkgnames |
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| 02:10.17 | sweeper | ok folks, my filesystem is DEFINITELY clean and the partition table is not screwed up, but when I boot it I get this: http://i.imgur.com/dN9GV.png |
| 02:10.17 | ManoftheSea | I am using wheezy, and gnome-shell. What populates the recently used files, and particularly, can I prevent certain files from showing up there. |
| 02:10.38 | sweeper | any ideas? |
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| 02:12.23 | ManoftheSea | I've discovered both "meta tracker" and "zeitgeist" |
| 02:12.53 | sweeper | ManoftheSea: cat ~/.recently-used |
| 02:13.24 | sweeper | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91154 |
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| 02:13.32 | abdelkhalak | how do I upgrade from squeeze to sid? |
| 02:13.48 | ManoftheSea | sweeper: ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel |
| 02:14.13 | engla | ManoftheSea: there is the "old" gtk recents system and there is zeitgeist. |
| 02:15.13 | ManoftheSea | engla: well, activity journal doesn't show me anything. |
| 02:15.28 | ManoftheSea | but I can't get meta tracker to ignore files. |
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| 02:16.54 | henaaque | is there any good alternative to webmin? (more user friendly would also be great...) |
| 02:17.04 | sweeper | ManoftheSea: cron job grep porn.jpg recently-used.xbel :3 |
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| 02:17.28 | ManoftheSea | sweeper: you pegged the use case, but that seems like a kludge |
| 02:17.41 | ManoftheSea | I have a ~/Private folder for a reason. |
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| 02:18.40 | sweeper | well you could always just use sudo to view your pronz |
| 02:18.52 | sweeper | and put all your porn in /root |
| 02:18.53 | ManoftheSea | sweeper: that's worse |
| 02:18.55 | sweeper | nobody will suspect! |
| 02:19.04 | ManoftheSea | also, no sudo. |
| 02:19.06 | sweeper | adds a layer of security |
| 02:19.27 | sweeper | you installed gnome, you won't even notice sudo :P |
| 02:19.36 | ManoftheSea | hunh? |
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| 02:20.35 | ManoftheSea | sweeper: I didn't think gnome and sudo had similar goals... |
| 02:20.39 | ManoftheSea | so... what? |
| 02:20.54 | sweeper | I mean in terms of installed package overhead |
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| 02:21.06 | ManoftheSea | nah, not about installed packages. |
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| 02:21.12 | ManoftheSea | When I need to root, I root. |
| 02:21.24 | ManoftheSea | I don't WANT a user account to have admin privs. |
| 02:21.35 | ManoftheSea | I like the finer grain of polkit. |
| 02:21.55 | ManoftheSea | I don't mind giving "any user in netdev" the ability to change network, on a single-user laptop. |
| 02:22.07 | nevyn | hrm. that's a real hard problem |
| 02:22.09 | ManoftheSea | But I don't want anything/anyone who gets my user password to have full access. |
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| 02:22.39 | kevlarman | ManoftheSea: anyone who gets your user password can snoop when you try to su |
| 02:22.58 | ManoftheSea | kevlarman: sure. |
| 02:23.08 | sweeper | ok then I am out of ideas that don't require any work |
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| 02:23.14 | ManoftheSea | sweeper: thanks. |
| 02:23.15 | sweeper | ofc you could just uninstall gnome :3 |
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| 02:23.50 | kevlarman | ManoftheSea: however i have lots of servers with multiple users where i want to be able to grant and revoke root privledges without having to change the root password |
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| 02:24.20 | ManoftheSea | kevlarman: I have nothing against sudo. It has its use cases. |
| 02:24.23 | sweeper | http://i.imgur.com/krYcT.png <-- ok. this may be a problem |
| 02:24.25 | krisfremen | kevlarman: sudo with wheel group |
| 02:24.28 | ManoftheSea | I just don't use em |
| 02:24.42 | kevlarman | krisfremen: exactly |
| 02:24.46 | ManoftheSea | I can also su to root with a smartcard. |
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| 02:25.11 | kevlarman | krisfremen: su doesn't belong anywhere (other than maybe sudo's command because sudo -i does annoying crap) |
| 02:25.25 | engla | ManoftheSea: remove the .xbel file and somehow lock it so that it does not reappear(?) will that wokr? |
| 02:25.56 | ManoftheSea | engla: I suppose. It's not Everything that I want untracked. |
| 02:26.41 | ManoftheSea | I'd also like to figure out my zeitgeist problem. |
| 02:27.15 | engla | ManoftheSea: hm ok. |
| 02:27.32 | engla | gtk doesn't have many parameters but it has "gtk-recent-files-max-age" |
| 02:28.00 | ManoftheSea | gtk? |
| 02:29.46 | engla | gtk manages the file ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel |
| 02:29.52 | un214 | kevlarman: not here they can't sniff my root pw unless they already have root |
| 02:30.06 | ManoftheSea | engla: gnome toolkit? |
| 02:30.27 | engla | ManoftheSea: well, GTK+ = GIMP Toolkit |
| 02:30.47 | ManoftheSea | oh, right. but the same gtk? |
| 02:30.50 | un214 | it turns out one of the advantages of vgaconsole is X physically can't fake it |
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| 02:35.19 | Owner | kevlarman~# i got it |
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| 02:36.42 | Owner | http://pastebin.com/nVa91dZL |
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| 02:46.19 | Owner | kevlarman~# does dpkg --set-selections < $(dpkg --get-selections) ; dselect ; clobber autoinstall ? |
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| 02:53.22 | nsadmin | dselect will set up a (very very old) curses-based interface; maybe the directions you're reading provides what to do when you get to dselect |
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| 02:55.50 | Owner | oh you get in there and press i |
| 02:55.58 | Owner | im asking if it will make them all 'manually installed' |
| 02:56.10 | Owner | perhaps my script is better |
| 02:57.24 | ManoftheSea | I've heard of "apt-clone" |
| 02:57.39 | ManoftheSea | I make no promises of knowing what you're talking about. |
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| 02:59.18 | sweeper | http://i.imgur.com/T0pAx.png <-- now THAT is bizzarre |
| 03:01.32 | ManoftheSea | well, I figured out the zeitgeist problem... |
| 03:01.41 | ManoftheSea | I had zeitgeist-core, but not datahub. |
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| 04:01.28 | zloyded | hi all |
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| 04:02.18 | zloyded | f*ck how much ppls here )) |
| 04:03.25 | Jayrays | 1140 in the channel, 2 are active |
| 04:03.28 | Jayrays | you and me :P |
| 04:05.25 | Ariii | Oh, I'm active :). |
| 04:05.33 | zloyded | wow! 3! |
| 04:05.34 | zloyded | =)) |
| 04:05.44 | zloyded | how are you guys? |
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| 04:06.44 | zloyded | wha about Metalocalypse movie, what u say? |
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| 04:07.53 | kallisti | hey all. my mouse cursor is stuck as a right-angle sort of symbol. I can move the mouse but I'm unable to click on anything. |
| 04:08.30 | zloyded | Xorg -configure |
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| 04:08.50 | zloyded | looks like a variant $) |
| 04:09.33 | kallisti | hm? I was hoping to avoid an X restart. |
| 04:09.58 | zloyded | have uinstalled synaptics? |
| 04:10.24 | kallisti | I haven't. |
| 04:10.28 | kallisti | how does that happen? |
| 04:11.06 | gnarface | kallisti: usually when that happens to me its because iceweasel and wine are fighting for focus. you can fix it by mousing in and out of each one carefully |
| 04:11.20 | gnarface | kallisti: aka, give it a pause to catch up in between them |
| 04:11.23 | kallisti | I have firefox and no wine. |
| 04:11.36 | gnarface | kallisti: could be firefox and something else perhaps? |
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| 04:12.56 | kallisti | perhaps. I just tried to focus on all the things... |
| 04:12.56 | zloyded | X reconfigure can help u |
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| 04:14.10 | gnarface | kallisti: terminal cursors can give it away |
| 04:14.18 | kallisti | it doesn't appear to be a focus issue. I'm running xmonad and focus stays clearly on one window. |
| 04:14.36 | gnarface | hmm |
| 04:14.41 | gnarface | well, that's all i got, sorry |
| 04:14.50 | gnarface | i don't know xmonad |
| 04:15.12 | gnarface | but if you're trying to avoid restarting X you could consider shutting off programs until it stops happening |
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| 04:15.34 | gnarface | till it stops happening/IO locks |
| 04:15.37 | kallisti | firefox sounds like a good candidate. |
| 04:15.41 | kallisti | yep. there we go. |
| 04:15.52 | kallisti | mouse works after I killed firefox. |
| 04:15.52 | zloyded | fixed? |
| 04:16.12 | gnarface | something to do with the way javascript handles mouse events seems to be able to screw with focus |
| 04:16.15 | gnarface | sabotage it somehow |
| 04:16.39 | gnarface | not sure whether its a security hole in X or a bug in firefox |
| 04:16.45 | gnarface | both i guess |
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| 04:17.25 | gnarface | you can get your mouse focus stuck in a form and stuff |
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| 04:17.32 | zloyded | crooked contribute written code |
| 04:17.47 | gnarface | probably just bad |
| 04:17.55 | ArchWiccan | question i heard ubuntu and fedora are ok but anyone know an article or anything that explains what debian will be doing in regards to SecureBoot |
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| 04:19.26 | sney | ArchWiccan: as yet undecided, I think, but probably saying "no way" to the going along with microsoft thing |
| 04:19.42 | sney | there'll be an announcement when a decision is made |
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| 04:20.17 | sney | general feeling is that this will be a major issue with OEM systems like HP and Dell boxes, but less so with separately-sold motherboards |
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| 04:20.28 | ArchWiccan | ah ok, i'm sure debian will get a key everyone else seems to be doing it and if debian wants to stay one of the top dogs they might need to but we will see what the developers think in the upcoming weeks. |
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| 04:20.40 | ArchWiccan | yeah but in the States EVERYONE seems to have a dell or hp |
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| 04:21.09 | ArchWiccan | even this box im using is a dell and old P4 HT but still dell nonetheless. Its my roommates, I personally only buy IBM |
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| 04:21.26 | ArchWiccan | i like to think IBM is a better OEM since they do so much for the linux community |
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| 05:03.45 | bconnelly | curl -s --data 'username=blah&password=blah&action=login' 'http://192.168.3.201/zm/index.php?skin=xml' | grep -o '<RUNNING>1</RUNNING>' > /tmp/$$ |
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| 05:03.46 | bconnelly | echo $arg1 |
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| 05:16.51 | redragonx | Hello everyone, i have a strange problem with my laptop. a lot of times it will freeze up upon closing the lid |
| 05:17.23 | boudiccas | redragonx: so how is that related to debian? |
| 05:18.08 | redragonx | it IS debian, why would i be here then? |
| 05:19.00 | boudiccas | you haven't said anything about it being related to debian, you haven't said what version you're running, you've just made a bald statement! |
| 05:19.14 | sweeper | we prefer hairy statements |
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| 05:21.33 | redragonx | well if i joined this channel for help. i would like to KNOW if someone is here. I don't have to write everything in a single message, right? |
| 05:21.45 | redragonx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.55 | sweeper | so what does syslog say? |
| 05:22.17 | redragonx | it is debian 6 with backport 3.2 kernel |
| 05:22.28 | redragonx | 64 bit |
| 05:23.05 | redragonx | The laptop is a hp elitebook 8560p |
| 05:23.27 | redragonx | very new in terms of hardware ' |
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| 05:25.38 | redragonx | The log wouldn;t have anything to say because it is locked up before i even open up my laptop's lid |
| 05:26.18 | redragonx | no key works, no backlight, etc |
| 05:27.16 | redragonx | i have updated drivers for the gfx card |
| 05:27.46 | redragonx | wwhich is ati 6000's series with 1 gb of ram |
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| 05:28.59 | redragonx | it has a 2nd gen i7 quad cpu |
| 05:29.06 | redragonx | vpro* |
| 05:30.05 | redragonx | i have tried all of the modes as well |
| 05:30.27 | redragonx | blaank screen mode will freeze it up |
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| 05:35.18 | redragonx | this is the only issssu e that i love |
| 05:35.27 | redragonx | ........nnnnnoooot |
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| 05:47.26 | redragonx | http://paste.debian.net/177643/ |
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| 05:49.44 | redragonx | any tips? |
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| 05:54.33 | simonlnu | looks like your cpus are going to sleep then waking up.... i don't know what the issue is, i just re-joined. |
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| 05:56.55 | redragonx | private msg? |
| 05:58.01 | redragonx | but well, my laptop freezes upon re opening the lid |
| 05:58.30 | boudiccas | does it freeze if you dont close the lid completely? |
| 05:58.48 | redragonx | no |
| 05:59.14 | boudiccas | does it freeze if you close the lid completely and immediately reopen it? |
| 05:59.34 | redragonx | hmmm well |
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| 06:00.45 | redragonx | it doesnt freeze everytime but it usaully does after a while but the answer to ur question no |
| 06:01.51 | redragonx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.55 | boudiccas | so it freezes if you completely close the lid and leave it for some time. how many times out of ten does this happen? |
| 06:01.59 | redragonx | ya |
| 06:02.03 | redragonx | 9 |
| 06:02.30 | redragonx | it still freezes without compiz btw |
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| 06:02.35 | boudiccas | hmm, quite a big problem then! does it still happen if you dont run compiz when you shut the lid? |
| 06:02.37 | redragonx | but |
| 06:03.11 | redragonx | with compiz off it takes longer to freeze up |
| 06:03.38 | boudiccas | have you tried running gnome instead of kde? if so, does it still happen? |
| 06:03.40 | redragonx | it only freezes if i close my lid |
| 06:03.55 | redragonx | idk i havent tried kde yett |
| 06:04.10 | oneand0 | redragonx: perhap it is trying to suspend / hiberanate & that is triggering something ? |
| 06:04.40 | redragonx | well |
| 06:04.46 | redragonx | i tested that |
| 06:05.00 | redragonx | by trying all the modes |
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| 06:05.30 | redragonx | even though |
| 06:05.51 | redragonx | i jusst found a new bbug/problem |
| 06:05.56 | redragonx | just now |
| 06:06.15 | redragonx | and that is |
| 06:06.24 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 06:06.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 06:08.15 | redragonx | if i hit shutdown my lapttop will restart |
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| 06:08.37 | redragonx | same with suspend button |
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| 06:09.33 | \3TATUK | Is there a standard method for returning the currently running codename version? (ie, lenny/squeeze/wheezy) |
| 06:09.44 | boudiccas | do you mean 'reboot' instead of /restart/? |
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| 06:10.48 | redragonx | noo |
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| 06:11.20 | redragonx | the menu of options .....shutdown........logout..........restart |
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| 06:11.35 | redragonx | sleep etc |
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| 06:11.42 | LtL | \3TATUK: lsb_release -a |
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| 06:12.22 | oneand0 | redragonx: have you managed to hibernate it? I noticed some ata errors on your pastebin... I have had issues with hibernate that is somewhat similar. |
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| 06:12.48 | redragonx | that log was right after i started it up |
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| 06:13.22 | oneand0 | :P |
| 06:13.37 | redragonx | but no not this time |
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| 06:15.33 | oneand0 | issues is a strange one, out of ideas.. your ata2 & ata1 'ACPI cmd' erros (lines 1115, 1118) might warrant some looking into |
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| 06:16.18 | redragonx | funny cuz i only have one hdd xD |
| 06:16.38 | oneand0 | lol |
| 06:19.34 | redragonx | i'm pretty annoyed though aboyt it |
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| 06:21.51 | boudiccas | redragonx: why not write to the mailing list soliciting their help in solving the problem? |
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| 06:22.58 | redragonx | what would they like to see? So they can help me |
| 06:23.26 | boudiccas | redragonx: all the basic information that you've already given us |
| 06:23.57 | redragonx | okay |
| 06:24.32 | redragonx | where is the list |
| 06:25.21 | Wooga | anyone using xen here? how do i pass more then one USB device to my domU guest? `usbdevice = 'host:1c4f:000e'` OR `usbdevice = 'host:04f3:0232'` is working perfectly, but how do i put them together? |
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| 06:27.33 | LtL | boudiccas: you're idea, answer him! |
| 06:27.38 | LtL | redragonx: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
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| 06:29.04 | bigsky | why there is so many isos for debain here? |
| 06:29.06 | bigsky | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:29.11 | bigsky | what is the difference |
| 06:29.30 | redragonx | ok gracias |
| 06:29.43 | LtL | bigsky: you only need cd1 |
| 06:30.11 | redragonx | all the cds hold every debian package |
| 06:30.14 | bigsky | LtL: oh, so what is cd2? |
| 06:30.44 | LtL | bigsky: more packages you can just as easily get off the net. |
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| 06:31.30 | bigsky | LtL: so what is dvd2? |
| 06:31.35 | bigsky | LtL: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 06:31.55 | LtL | bigsky: cd1 will give you a full desktop. It lacks some wireless stuff so advise you install on a wire. |
| 06:32.41 | redragonx | maybe, you can hlelp me with my desktop that has debian boudiccas |
| 06:32.52 | redragonx | as well |
| 06:33.12 | bigsky | LtL: why there are so many dvds? |
| 06:33.26 | redragonx | my desktop will disable irqs |
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| 06:33.46 | LtL | bigsky: there are i dunno, 40-59 thousands packages.. not sure |
| 06:34.36 | bigsky | LtL: often one dvd is enough:( |
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| 06:35.04 | redragonx | bigsky all the dvds hold every debian package, so that you dont need any internet |
| 06:35.08 | ompaul | according to debian.org there are over 29000 |
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| 06:35.11 | redragonx | to install |
| 06:35.21 | LtL | bigsky: I would imagine so yes, i've never needed more than cd1 in the last 5-6 releases... since about year 2000. |
| 06:35.37 | gnarface | these days most people should just use the netinstall |
| 06:35.40 | gnarface | dpkg, netinstall |
| 06:35.41 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 06:37.06 | gnarface | the only reason you'd need the cd or dvd sets is if you were installing debian somewhere that did not have a network connection, like a cabin in the woods |
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| 06:37.27 | gnarface | like a cabin in the woods somewhere poor |
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| 06:38.50 | boudiccas | redragonx: what desktop are you using? i've only used default gnome so may not be able to help |
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| 06:39.12 | redragonx | boudiccas: gnome |
| 06:39.16 | namoamitabuddha | How can I search for all non-free installed in APT? |
| 06:39.46 | boudiccas | redragonx: k, go ahead. whats the problem? |
| 06:40.18 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: available? or installed on your box? |
| 06:40.50 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: solved. |
| 06:40.53 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\t${Section}\n' |grep -e non-free -e contrib |
| 06:41.28 | redragonx | boudiccas: a headache kind of issue xD, but in all my terminals i get a msg that says debian is disbling irq #19 etc |
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| 06:42.11 | boudiccas | redragonx: don't know. does it say anything about it in gnome-control-center? |
| 06:42.19 | redragonx | no |
| 06:42.28 | LtL | redragonx: that's probably the root of your freezing issues. |
| 06:42.29 | redragonx | wait |
| 06:42.49 | redragonx | this is my desktop now |
| 06:43.14 | LtL | redragonx: not a good message regardless. |
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| 06:44.02 | redragonx | LtL: Could you please wait for me to type |
| 06:44.05 | LtL | redragonx: IRQ's can definetly cause issues. |
| 06:44.24 | LtL | redragonx: type away. |
| 06:44.28 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Shall I stick to use archives in main? |
| 06:44.50 | redragonx | i will email the list about the freezing issue on my laptop. It is that my desktop is disabling IRQS |
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| 06:45.25 | LtL | redragonx: oh, i understand now. thought it was the same box. |
| 06:45.48 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: why do you ask? |
| 06:46.02 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: I'm reading http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html |
| 06:46.04 | LtL | redragonx: you might peek at ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 06:47.00 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: Should we stick to the philosophy of free? |
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| 06:47.07 | redragonx | LtL: what am i looking for in that |
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| 06:48.03 | LtL | redragonx: anything IRQ related or errors in general, especially after opening a terminal...did you say? |
| 06:48.12 | redragonx | well |
| 06:48.32 | boudiccas | LtL: his laptop freezes when the lid is closed |
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| 06:48.49 | LtL | boudiccas: we're on his desktop now |
| 06:48.58 | redragonx | lol, all my computers have issues |
| 06:49.27 | redragonx | i wont bother you about my laptop |
| 06:49.28 | LtL | redragonx: the laptop may be short on RAM too.. |
| 06:49.39 | redragonx | well |
| 06:49.51 | redragonx | it has 4 gigs of ram |
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| 06:50.02 | redragonx | ddr3 |
| 06:50.40 | redragonx | my pc has 16 gigs =D |
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| 06:50.58 | namoamitabuddha | unrar is non-free |
| 06:51.07 | namoamitabuddha | flashplugin-nonfree is non-free |
| 06:51.13 | LtL | redragonx: ideal circumstances that's enough, leaky programs, suspending, hibernation 4Gb is kind of minimum. |
| 06:51.15 | namoamitabuddha | p7zip-rar is non-free |
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| 06:52.17 | redragonx | Ltl: i dont suspend my laptop or anything |
| 06:52.32 | redragonx | i just blank the screen |
| 06:52.35 | hstefan | Hey. How can I find where the sources from a package were installed? |
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| 06:53.32 | redragonx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.45 | ompaul | hstefan: wherever you typed apt-get souce |
| 06:53.46 | namoamitabuddha | hstefan: what? |
| 06:53.48 | ompaul | source even |
| 06:54.14 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: well that's really up to you |
| 06:54.23 | LtL | redragonx: did it do that before you used fglrx? I've never had much sucess with it myself |
| 06:54.41 | LtL | sp |
| 06:55.12 | hstefan | sorry, I didn't mean, source, I mean files*. I want to see what files some package installed and where arem them. |
| 06:55.22 | LtL | redragonx: I've got to run, you have help here.. good luck to you :) |
| 06:55.28 | redragonx | LtL: I dont know, i installed it right after |
| 06:55.33 | hstefan | they*, sorry about the horrible wording |
| 06:55.34 | redragonx | thanks |
| 06:55.35 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: btw, fsf 'free' != debian 'free' |
| 06:55.52 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: eh? |
| 06:55.57 | LtL | redragonx: quite welcome, evening. |
| 06:56.34 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: /msg dpkg gfdl |
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| 06:57.51 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: only doc, what about software? |
| 06:58.54 | redragonx | anyone else want to help me xD? |
| 06:59.20 | namoamitabuddha | artistic licence? |
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| 07:00.08 | nkuttler | namoamitabuddha: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 07:00.15 | hstefan | so, any idea? |
| 07:00.52 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: I'm reading description on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_licence#Debian |
| 07:01.04 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: it's said that there're only two distincts |
| 07:01.14 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: first is about artistic licence |
| 07:01.36 | namoamitabuddha | nkuttler: second is about unmodifiable sections in gfdl. |
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| 07:32.13 | aminpy | how can I run ls for a folder not folder contents? |
| 07:33.00 | tralala | ls -d |
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| 07:33.48 | epsilon | tralala: want have. can you send me few pills plz? |
| 07:33.50 | aminpy | tralala, I want to show directory size |
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| 07:34.14 | aminpy | tralala, with -d I don't see realy folder size |
| 07:34.34 | tralala | directories don't have size attribute |
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| 07:34.43 | tralala | size is calculated by du |
| 07:34.57 | epsilon | you want to know the disk usage of each folder's content-? |
| 07:35.02 | Diopter | aminpy: So add -l, if you *really* mean dirent size. |
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| 07:35.13 | Diopter | If you mean directory tree usage... see above |
| 07:35.50 | aminpy | epsilon, I want to see a directory size |
| 07:36.10 | Pontus | du -hs ? |
| 07:36.49 | aminpy | Pontus, thanks |
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| 07:37.11 | Diopter | aminpy: I personally find: "du -hd1 | sort -h" to be quite useful |
| 07:37.25 | epsilon | aminpy: dir is a file, it has a size of single block. if you mean how many the files inside using disk, du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 07:37.27 | Pontus | aminpy, no problems |
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| 07:54.15 | MaxFrames | obviously the applet is not necessary, but can you help me restore its functionality? |
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| 07:57.49 | rainfyre | MaxFrames: why don't you just install squeeze into the virtual machine? |
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| 07:58.27 | MaxFrames | because I am testing the upgrade of a production lenny machine, using a copy of it. |
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| 07:58.48 | MaxFrames | once I've ironed out all the spots, I'll repeat the process on the production machine. |
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| 08:21.02 | PaulePanter | Hi. GDB seems to be confused by multiarch links(?). |
| 08:21.16 | PaulePanter | Reading symbols from /lib/ld-linux.so.2...(no debugging symbols found)...done. |
| 08:21.28 | PaulePanter | $ ls -l /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 08:21.29 | PaulePanter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Jun 30 08:15 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so |
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| 08:22.17 | PaulePanter | /usr/lib/debug/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so |
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| 08:29.15 | fasta | Why do I get this? bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 08:31.55 | mavez | http://www.ss20.com/snowboarding-c2/snow-tools-and-tuning-c22 |
| 08:31.59 | mavez | eh oops |
| 08:32.06 | mavez | sorry |
| 08:33.36 | fredl | hello. I'm cutting and pasting SQL queries from a logfile I'm tailing in a gnome-terminal but when pasting it to a mysql prompt linefeeds seem to get added. Is there a way to turn this 'feature' off? |
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| 08:34.08 | fasta | Is there something which functionally does what sux does, but actually works? |
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| 08:36.21 | fredl | hmm actually not tailing but using less.... |
| 08:36.29 | fredl | wondering if less puts linefeeds in there |
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| 08:40.55 | fasta | What is the proper way to run gedit from a rootshell when beginning in a user shell? sux used to solve this problem, but doesn't anymore. |
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| 08:41.46 | dutchfish | fredl, why not pipe the output of the tail, after filtering to sql, with or without confirmation? |
| 08:41.49 | fasta | There are multiple bug reports and a 'maintainer' which is absent. |
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| 08:42.01 | fasta | (I.e., no maintainer) |
| 08:42.26 | fredl | it's a debug file dutchfish. |
| 08:42.41 | fredl | when I open it with vi, I can cut and paste back and forth just fine |
| 08:43.00 | fredl | from less I can't... |
| 08:43.22 | dutchfish | fredl, have you checked with more? |
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| 08:44.03 | dutchfish | fredl, it is a bit more simple., maybe no lf. |
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| 08:45.17 | fredl | same thing. |
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| 08:45.37 | dutchfish | fredl, then wrte your own parser. |
| 08:45.38 | fredl | this might be a bug/feature that's ancient already but came back |
| 08:45.55 | dutchfish | yeh |
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| 08:46.17 | fredl | less and more both use curses don't they? |
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| 08:46.41 | dutchfish | prolly, but not ncurses |
| 08:47.25 | dutchfish | fredl, is this on a console, or a console within a wm? |
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| 08:49.05 | dutchfish | fredl, kconsole can surpress line endings on crtl-c in its settings. |
| 08:49.18 | dutchfish | (as an example) |
| 08:49.50 | fredl | it's in a gnome-terminal |
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| 08:50.12 | dutchfish | fredl, no idee, about that one. Maybe others know. |
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| 08:50.30 | dutchfish | fredl, or check with xterm also. |
| 08:50.32 | fredl | you use KDE nowadays? |
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| 08:50.50 | dutchfish | yes, but also others but never gnome anymore. |
| 08:51.11 | dutchfish | sorry |
| 08:51.16 | fredl | hmm |
| 08:51.22 | fredl | n/p |
| 08:51.33 | fredl | I don't think it's a gnome problem though. |
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| 08:51.51 | fredl | as I simply don't want less/more to insert linefeeds. |
| 08:51.51 | dutchfish | fredl, thats to find out easely with xterm |
| 08:52.06 | fredl | yes, I tried with xterm too, same prob. |
| 08:52.15 | dutchfish | fredl, myabe it is not gnome but gnome terminal. |
| 08:52.18 | FDFlock | Hello everyone! Quick question: Is there any easy way (CLI or GUI) to manually turn on/off SATA HDDs? Not turn them on "on demand", only manually... |
| 08:52.23 | FDFlock | BTW, I think rxvt-unicode (aka "urxvt") is by far the best terminal emulator :) |
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| 08:53.16 | FDFlock | at least, better than both gnome-terminal and xterm (ugh) |
| 08:53.54 | fredl | it's not a gnome terminal problem. |
| 08:55.12 | dutchfish | fredl, does tail -f without less or more produce the same result? |
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| 08:56.09 | fredl | nope that works fine. |
| 08:56.29 | fredl | so less/more add linefeeds to their output. |
| 08:56.33 | dutchfish | fredl, then its obvious the parser of those, mmmm... |
| 08:56.37 | FDFlock | fredl: "hello. I'm cutting and pasting SQL queries from a logfile I'm tailing in a gnome-terminal but when pasting it to a mysql prompt linefeeds seem to get added." --> That's 100% normal and the same for ALL terminal emulators, if you are copying multiline commands |
| 08:56.44 | FDFlock | now that I read it |
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| 08:57.23 | FDFlock | you need to copy each line separately |
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| 08:57.31 | fredl | no it's not normal. |
| 08:57.45 | fredl | no you don't. |
| 08:58.18 | fredl | this is because for some reason less/more add linefeeds to the output which I don't want. |
| 08:58.25 | FDFlock | OR use sed to replace linefeeds with spaces or semi-colons in the logfile output (in which case multiline commands would be merged) |
| 08:58.32 | dutchfish | FDFlock, then parsing a copy from tail -f would not work either, but it does. |
| 08:58.38 | FDFlock | on you display I mean |
| 08:58.48 | fredl | yes and copying/pasting from vi works fine too. |
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| 08:59.54 | FDFlock | fredl: I'm comfused, are you using tail -f or less? |
| 09:00.04 | FDFlock | *n |
| 09:00.29 | FDFlock | both have this problem? |
| 09:00.47 | fredl | tail -f works as expected, as does vi, less and more insert their own linefeeds. |
| 09:01.09 | FDFlock | I see, well they are called "pagers" for a reason |
| 09:01.10 | dutchfish | parsing a copy from less and more have that problem, parsing a copy from vi or tail -f do not. |
| 09:01.30 | dutchfish | (checked that and i can confirm that) |
| 09:01.33 | FDFlock | less/more do some formatting on their own, tail does not |
| 09:01.43 | dutchfish | yes prolly |
| 09:02.14 | fredl | true, although the reason for it seems somewhat obscure. Why add linefeeds when the terminal wraps around long lines anyway? |
| 09:02.19 | dutchfish | so frdel needs an alternative for less or more |
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| 09:02.38 | fredl | well there's probably some obscure option for less :) |
| 09:02.54 | FDFlock | fredl: less/more are designed to work with dumb terminals that wouldn't do their own line-splitting |
| 09:02.58 | fredl | --donotallowmetomodifyyourstuff |
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| 09:03.39 | FDFlock | fredl: eg. you can less my-file > another file and "another-file" would be formatted |
| 09:03.53 | fredl | uhm yes sure FDFlock but one would expect a program that has been around for so long to ask the termcap first what capabilities a terminak has, no? :) |
| 09:04.04 | FDFlock | yes :) |
| 09:04.23 | fredl | terminal does own linewrap?? ooooh goodie, I don't have to then! |
| 09:04.25 | FDFlock | perhaps the reason is output to pipes/files? |
| 09:04.25 | fredl | anyway... |
| 09:04.56 | fredl | one would wonder if this is a bug or a feature huh? |
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| 09:05.21 | FDFlock | wonders if pagers can even distinguish between pipes and files... if not it's a feature |
| 09:05.52 | fredl | I can distinguish between a pipe and a file, dunno why pagers couldn't. |
| 09:05.54 | FDFlock | (because the pager output is not always read by humans) |
| 09:06.15 | FDFlock | fredl: because pipes are a shell feature |
| 09:06.22 | fredl | uhm... |
| 09:06.28 | fredl | no. |
| 09:06.36 | dutchfish | fredl, is that on bash or dash? |
| 09:06.37 | FDFlock | (well, not ONLY a shell feature) |
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| 09:06.55 | fredl | uhm no, they are NOT a shell feature. |
| 09:07.13 | fredl | bash dutchfish. You thinkin' the shell may be at fault? |
| 09:07.40 | dutchfish | fredl, well, i just checked within a sceened tail -f, and the outcome is different |
| 09:07.56 | dutchfish | screen'ed* |
| 09:08.18 | dutchfish | you could check with dash too |
| 09:08.21 | FDFlock | fredl: the command you run can't really parse the full command-line itself, it's the shell that does it, so the command might not be able to distinguish between output to a file vs output to a named pipe |
| 09:08.38 | FDFlock | (of course, named pipes are a bit rare) |
| 09:08.38 | dutchfish | FDFlock, true |
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| 09:09.31 | FDFlock | I'm not that sure about regular (unnamed) pipes |
| 09:10.05 | FDFlock | anyway, my guess is that this is the reason for the more/less "feature" |
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| 09:11.03 | dutchfish | maybe screen -U $(tail -f blah) ... just a wild gues |
| 09:11.42 | colo-work | does anyone of you run tinydns on Squeeze? |
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| 09:16.53 | PaulePanter | I filed a bug for my GDB and libc-dbg issue: <Bug#680173: Acknowledgement (gdb: Debugging symbols of libc6 not found)>. |
| 09:17.02 | PaulePanter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680173 |
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| 09:23.57 | ASIRIneiluJ | hi |
| 09:24.30 | ASIRIneiluJ | anyone knows how FORTRAN is handled in debian ? |
| 09:24.49 | ASIRIneiluJ | I just installed a debian compiler and the hdf5 library |
| 09:25.38 | ASIRIneiluJ | when I try to compile a program that uses this library it tells me : "Fatal Error: Wrong module version '6' (expected '9') for file 'hdf5.mod'" |
| 09:25.46 | namoamitabuddha | gfortran |
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| 09:26.44 | ASIRIneiluJ | from what I gathered on the internet it seems that's due to a version incompatibility between the gfortran version used to compile the library and the one used to compile the program that uses the library |
| 09:27.02 | ASIRIneiluJ | err... yeah, gfortran compiler, not debian compiler :) |
| 09:28.02 | ASIRIneiluJ | so I'm wondering if it's a problem in the packages (i.e. default compiler should match library version) or if I'm doing something wrong |
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| 09:49.21 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Instead of `export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug"` I had to do `export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip"`. |
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| 09:49.35 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: … for klogd. |
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| 09:50.57 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680170#10 |
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| 10:16.40 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Ha. This was not correct either. `export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip"` is needed. ;-) |
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| 10:39.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a squeeze rhythmbox how to outthere |
| 10:39.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | ?? |
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| 10:39.40 | innociv_ | I'm confused on dpkg-configure locales. I accentally made it es_US.UTF-8. I tried changing it to en_US.UTF-8 but that does nothing. |
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| 10:39.54 | innociv_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:40.27 | innociv_ | Nevermind I guess I had to restart shell |
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| 10:53.12 | PhoenixSTF | It is possible to install debian on a HDD without partition table? |
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| 10:54.41 | crashev | hello, in which package can I find locales like pl_PL.utf8 ? |
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| 10:59.23 | juniorsa | Hi, I am trying to get a domain to be verified by office 365, they ask us to create a txt record in dns with host @ pointing to ms=ms12345678 with TTL of 1 hour, am not sure how to enter host name @, do just do it the same way as having a host name as mail or www? |
| 10:59.37 | arvind_khadri | PhoenixSTF, yes, then the whole disk becomes the root partition |
| 11:00.57 | _n_ | juniorsa, yes, you do. |
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| 11:02.02 | PhoenixSTF | arvind_khadri, yes thats the idea, how can I do that? |
| 11:02.03 | juniorsa | when I use a web query for the txt record it never retuns host @ |
| 11:02.26 | juniorsa | and the office 365 verification fails :( |
| 11:02.49 | abrotman | juniorsa: there's a #dns that may know more |
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| 11:03.06 | arvind_khadri | PhoenixSTF, just clear the partition table when the debian installer asks for partitions and create a partition with ext3/4/whatever FS you prefer and then install |
| 11:03.26 | arvind_khadri | maybe you would want to consider allocating some space for swap, if at all |
| 11:03.56 | juniorsa | abrotman: here is what I have in my zone file @ 3600 IN TXT "MS=ms12345678" does it look right? |
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| 11:06.30 | abrotman | juniorsa: i wouldn't know .. doesn't seem totally wrong, but that's not something i've had to do |
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| 11:06.45 | juniorsa | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:06.59 | abrotman | juniorsa: i was mentioning #dns because they shuld know if they're awake |
| 11:07.11 | juniorsa | right, I will check them out now |
| 11:07.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright peeps why is 0.12 rhythmbox in squeeze, and not 2.97 ... |
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| 11:08.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | has nobody updated the packages? did you loose a maintainer? |
| 11:08.32 | PhoenixSTF | arvind_khadri, it is a VM so hdd are host LV, I just need to install them pure ext3 on that virtual drive |
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| 11:14.40 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: squeeze was released over a year ago, and froze long before that |
| 11:14.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
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| 11:14.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 11:14.50 | abrotman | lololololol |
| 11:15.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | so should i just back port it form wheezy? |
| 11:15.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | its importing my music now |
| 11:15.21 | abrotman | if you think you can make it work, go for it |
| 11:15.28 | abrotman | i'd be skeptical it'll work |
| 11:15.31 | tralala | or user a ready backport |
| 11:15.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i should wait until then ? |
| 11:15.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i just want ipod supposrt |
| 11:15.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | support |
| 11:16.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | its taking for ever to import my 500gb of music over the network... |
| 11:16.19 | abrotman | the old version does have ipod support .. though i'm not sure for which ipods |
| 11:16.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | its a classic |
| 11:16.38 | abrotman | did you try it ? |
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| 11:16.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | it should have it.. i bet the album covers dont work though |
| 11:16.54 | abrotman | when my brother plugged his ipod into my laptop, rhythmbox started and wanted to manage the thing |
| 11:17.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have tried but no window for ipod has popped up yet i suspect it will scan ipod after library, which is taking forever see previious ^^ |
| 11:17.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
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| 11:17.42 | tralala | 500gb of music?! Can you listen to all of it in a lifetime? |
| 11:17.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | it take about 6 months |
| 11:18.11 | tralala | 24/7? |
| 11:18.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup... |
| 11:19.02 | Arafangion | That would cause hearing damage. |
| 11:19.09 | WinstonSmith | one can never have enough music |
| 11:19.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats just the dubsteap that cause hearing damage... |
| 11:19.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi WinstonSmith |
| 11:20.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i am tired of the music ion my android so going to change that.. THAT is easy... |
| 11:20.56 | abrotman | the what? |
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| 11:22.13 | dawud | when updatind base-passwd, I'm recommended to let the post-install change ome system account's shell from /sbin/noshell (from titan tools pkg) back to /bin/sh, Q is: do uucp, list, gnats and similar need a login shell? I'd rather not do that |
| 11:22.28 | dawud | s/ome/some |
| 11:23.41 | dawud | full list would be daemon,bin,sys,games,man,lp,mail,news,uucp,proxy,www-data,backup,list,irc,gnats,nobody |
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| 11:24.58 | abrotman | dawud: do those accounts have valid passwords? |
| 11:25.03 | tralala | dawud, I'd do as recommended. |
| 11:25.12 | tralala | those accounts are probably locked anyway |
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| 11:27.02 | dawud | looking at /etc/shadow, I see they don't, but that only applies when talking about login shells, I'm questioning myself the usefulness of /sbin/noshell WRT all thi system accounts |
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| 11:27.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | on my android abrotman |
| 11:28.05 | dawud | that is, security is about layers, those accounts are locked, but I'd better don't provide the chance to use a shell anyway |
| 11:28.41 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: yes, i get that .. |
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| 11:30.57 | dawud | also, I can't see a use for /bin/sh being the suggested default if those accounts would be better off using /sbin/nologin (like RHEL/CentOS does) or plain /bin/false, unless some functionality breaks |
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| 11:31.47 | tralala | dawud, on the other hand if /bin/sh is recommended there must be a good reason for it |
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| 11:34.00 | tralala | dawud, of course if you don't mind the risks of breaking things and tracing the breakages down to the login shell, then one extra layer of security won't hurt |
| 11:34.35 | dawud | tralala: well, there's /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/README, which you're advised to read when updating, but there's nothing substantial WRT this there |
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| 11:34.48 | dawud | tralala: ah, that I don't mind :) |
| 11:34.56 | optraz | hi, can i ask about gpl question here? |
| 11:34.57 | tralala | maybe there will be some discussion on debian-devel that will shed more light on the topic |
| 11:35.32 | dawud | tralala: as a matter of fact that's how it's configured, and no major breakage has been detected so far |
| 11:35.49 | nkuttler | optraz: that really depends on your question |
| 11:35.58 | tralala | yes, but you're upgrading - new stuff might need new config |
| 11:36.34 | dawud | tralala: I'm updating, not upgrading |
| 11:36.44 | optraz | nkuttler: i tried...does gpl prohibit runnign software impelmenting DRM |
| 11:36.45 | optraz | ? |
| 11:36.45 | dawud | tralala: I'm on wheezy already |
| 11:37.08 | nkuttler | optraz: try #fsf |
| 11:37.09 | tralala | dawud, I count this as upgrading |
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| 11:37.31 | optraz | okay |
| 11:37.47 | dawud | optraz: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/opposing-drm.html |
| 11:38.03 | tralala | at least until wheezy is released |
| 11:38.27 | dawud | tralala: ok, just different wording :) |
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| 11:40.19 | tralala | dawud, no - different meaning too. Upgrades in wheezy can break compatibility. |
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| 11:45.33 | dawud | tralala: apt-listchanges helps with that, but yes, extra precautions can't hurt, thanks |
| 11:45.51 | tralala | sure |
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| 11:59.53 | urlwolf | playing any youtube video fullscreen 1920x1200 with nouveau crashes x. I can see my mouse, but nothing happens |
| 11:59.59 | urlwolf | is this a known bug? |
| 12:00.20 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 12:00.46 | urlwolf | abrotman: BTS? |
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| 12:00.59 | abrotman | urlwolf: are you using Debian? |
| 12:01.09 | urlwolf | y |
| 12:01.19 | boudiccas | urlwolf: you asked this question yesterday under a different nick |
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| 12:01.46 | urlwolf | yes, sorry, program renews the nick, not sure why |
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| 12:02.07 | abrotman | urlwolf: you joined as quesada_ ? |
| 12:02.18 | abrotman | urlwolf: anyway .. bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:04.54 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-nouveau;dist=unstable |
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| 12:08.43 | innociv_ | I see 100% cpu usage in htop but I don't actually see a program using that much. |
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| 12:09.32 | Sevet_ | htop: have you tried sorting by CPU%? |
| 12:09.48 | Sevet_ | s/htop:/innotciv_:/ ;) |
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| 12:14.56 | innociv_ | Yep |
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| 12:15.06 | innociv_ | Nothing even adds up to 20% less alone 100% |
| 12:17.05 | vlade_imir | innociv_: and what do you have with top on the cpu line ? |
| 12:17.43 | WinstonSmith | htop shows kernel times |
| 12:17.58 | innociv_ | Same |
| 12:18.10 | innociv_ | Er sorry |
| 12:18.18 | innociv_ | top shows around 25% |
| 12:18.24 | innociv_ | htop shows 100%. Those are for totals |
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| 12:19.41 | vlade_imir | innociv_: can you show us this line "Cpu(s): 1.0%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st" |
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| 12:20.23 | innociv_ | Oh, sorry. |
| 12:20.23 | innociv_ | Cpu(s): 29.9%us, 7.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.6%si, 61.9%st |
| 12:21.10 | vlade_imir | innociv_: the steal is quiet high, on what your vm run ? |
| 12:21.24 | innociv_ | Amazon EC2 small. |
| 12:22.00 | vlade_imir | quite* |
| 12:22.06 | innociv_ | ... actually looks like it's been stuck like that for 12 hours and I never noticed. |
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| 12:22.52 | vlade_imir | innociv_: are you sure it's not related to the leap second bug ? |
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| 12:23.06 | innociv_ | No I'm not sure of anything, really. |
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| 12:23.23 | vlade_imir | what is the uptime of the vm ? |
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| 12:23.57 | wade | hello |
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| 12:24.44 | Sevet_ | does htop actually show steal time, or might that be the reason it shows 100%? (29.9 user + 7.6 system + 61.9 stolen = 99.4%) |
| 12:24.49 | petemc | innociv_: try running date --set="1 second ago" |
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| 12:25.21 | innociv_ | Wed Jul 4 12:25:01 UTC 2012 |
| 12:25.28 | Sevet_ | (innociv_: stolen time includes cpu usage by other virtual machines on the server your vm is running on) |
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| 12:25.46 | Sevet_ | petemc: date -s "`date`" |
| 12:25.48 | Sevet_ | is simpler |
| 12:25.56 | innociv_ | Really? I thought I had gauranteed cpu with amazon. |
| 12:25.59 | petemc | fsvo simpler |
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| 12:27.57 | vlade_imir | maybe it's the host that get it's cpu cycles ruined by the leap second bug, did you try to contact amazon ? |
| 12:29.00 | innociv_ | I have not yet. The forum support is terrible and the real support costs money |
| 12:29.23 | innociv_ | The server doesn't seem to be running slowly, though.. |
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| 12:29.35 | innociv_ | But it's sucky not seeing my real usage in htop |
| 12:29.49 | NuxRo | Hello, where could I get firmware-bnx2 for Debian Lenny. I see it has been removed from the mirrors. |
| 12:30.02 | abrotman | NuxRo: archive.debian.org |
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| 12:30.17 | NuxRo | abrotman: cheers |
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| 12:33.36 | metaspike | innociv_: mystery cpu usage? maybe its not showing all the processes |
| 12:34.03 | innociv_ | It's the steal. I don't know. |
| 12:34.22 | metaspike | i have a question, can i lock my cursor to a specific position without simply, unplugging the mouse/ducttaping the laser. |
| 12:35.25 | metaspike | innociv_: running it as root? |
| 12:35.38 | innociv_ | Yep |
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| 12:36.06 | fbs | what writes to /var/log/installer? |
| 12:36.23 | fbs | is it safe to remove? |
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| 12:38.05 | metaspike | fbs: its the log from the debian installer |
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| 12:41.23 | fbs | logrotate isnt removing logfiles anymore (gdm3 = 35MB with 4K files), bug? |
| 12:41.47 | vlade_imir | innociv_: according to that blog " http://www.axibase.com/cloud/2010/07/22/ec2-monitoring-the-case-of-stolen-cpu/ " the situation is normal |
| 12:41.58 | abrotman | fbs: look in the logrotate settings |
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| 12:42.30 | fbs | abrotman: they're default wheezy, what should i be looking for? |
| 12:44.16 | fbs | weekly & rotate 4, in /etc/logrotate.conf. No special entry for gdm3 in logrotate.d |
| 12:44.38 | innociv_ | I see |
| 12:44.45 | innociv_ | Thanks |
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| 12:58.53 | fbs | i changed 'rotate' to 1 and removed the files |
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| 12:59.31 | fbs | ill see how it works in a few days |
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| 13:14.39 | yalu | I'm looking for the equivalent/replacement of pam_groupdn in libpam-ldapd. libpam_ldap supports limiting who can log in over pam with a directive pam_groupdn which specifies the ldap DN of a group you must be member of. |
| 13:14.56 | yalu | I can't find anything like that in libpam_ldapd / nslcd |
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| 13:32.57 | kemuffkamelen | If nomodeset option does not work anymore, how do i proceed? |
| 13:33.02 | kemuffkamelen | I am using sid |
| 13:33.15 | BlaDe^ | Hi guys i'm having issues getting into SSH.. here is the debug, any ideas what could be the problem? http://pastie.org/4198886 |
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| 13:34.22 | henaaque | can anyone recommend me an alternative to webmin? |
| 13:35.23 | boudiccas | the only alternative is to use things properly and learn how to use them right |
| 13:35.37 | boudiccas | which means from the cli |
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| 13:37.14 | henaaque | i know it, but i need to find a way to a guy manage virtual hosts and dns configs, and he really doesn't know how to use cli... |
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| 13:38.31 | boudiccas | then teach him and get him to make his own 'cheat sheets' |
| 13:38.44 | boudiccas | to remind himslef |
| 13:38.50 | boudiccas | himself |
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| 13:41.45 | nsadmin | more importantly, teach him how to learn it... you won't be there all the time... and does he even want to? |
| 13:42.04 | LordShiva | I have problem with a spawnin process it is /bin/sh -e /lib/udev/net.agent |
| 13:42.25 | LordShiva | it runs on my system every second few times |
| 13:42.41 | LordShiva | Isit a exploit ? |
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| 13:43.32 | nsadmin | LordShiva, what's the problem as you perceive it? simply that it exists? |
| 13:44.22 | LordShiva | when I run a lastcomm on my machine I get thousands of net.agent and sleep commands |
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| 13:45.06 | LordShiva | Also from few days after I upgraded few programs I'm getting funny connections listed on iftop |
| 13:45.10 | nsadmin | hmm. that does sound bad |
| 13:45.33 | LordShiva | To the sites that I dont open nor in browser nor on any other way |
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| 13:46.10 | LordShiva | I guess my machine have been exploited damnit |
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| 13:46.37 | LordShiva | netstat is full of some last_ack connections |
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| 13:47.12 | nsadmin | could you show: dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version |
| 13:47.20 | LordShiva | to the host I dont open and without program namein netstat -atpn comman |
| 13:47.23 | LordShiva | command |
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| 13:47.44 | nsadmin | , versions libc6 |
| 13:47.46 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-33; sid: 2.13-34 |
| 13:47.58 | LordShiva | 2.13-34 |
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| 13:48.19 | nsadmin | would you be running sid right now? |
| 13:49.02 | LordShiva | I was upgrading and get to that point that now I dont actually know what to do |
| 13:49.08 | LordShiva | except to reinstall it |
| 13:49.25 | nsadmin | hmm. what if you did reinstall? what would you lose? |
| 13:49.35 | nsadmin | just curious |
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| 13:51.11 | LordShiva | This is my work machine and I wouldnt like it to go thru setting up all programs again but I guees I will reinstall itinto clear squeeze |
| 13:52.17 | nsadmin | also, to limit wasted time, I don't run sid and -maybe- for the upgrade issues, you would need to talk to people who do |
| 13:52.22 | boudiccas | LordShiva: backup configs along with general backup and then reinstall, unfortunately |
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| 13:52.43 | nsadmin | having said that, what if you put say squeeze on a separate machine |
| 13:53.11 | nsadmin | design and intentwise, sid is not appropriate for real work |
| 13:53.41 | nsadmin | s/is not appropriate/is not considered appropriate/ |
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| 13:54.46 | nsadmin | all that is up to you... do what you will. there is an additional source of info, it's #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:55.23 | LordShiva | I know well I will reinstall soon |
| 13:55.55 | nsadmin | meanwhile, you have this network thing going on, and do you consider that your higher priority? |
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| 13:58.14 | nsadmin | LordShiva, if you have a large enough hd with unpartitioned space, you could keep your existing install and also install a new one and pick which to boot |
| 13:59.50 | LordShiva | I have big hdd and I intend to install it and save a /home partition |
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| 14:00.05 | nsadmin | that's a good thing to so |
| 14:00.15 | LordShiva | I have separate / /var /home /usr /tmp partitions |
| 14:00.24 | nsadmin | same here |
| 14:00.40 | LordShiva | :) |
| 14:00.43 | nsadmin | I kinda like lvm for that kind of thing |
| 14:00.53 | LordShiva | yeap |
| 14:01.48 | nsadmin | I still don't quite trust it, so I only use it on single drives |
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| 14:03.08 | ecolitan | hello |
| 14:03.27 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 14:03.48 | ecolitan | how can I make slapd listen on a specific ip? |
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| 14:04.11 | BlaDe^ | hi guys I'm having issues connecting to my server... the output is here, can anyone take a look ? http://pastie.org/4198886 |
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| 14:04.19 | nsadmin | if there;s a way to do that, it would be in its config file |
| 14:04.58 | ecolitan | all documentation I find refers to starting slapd by hand with a parameter, i find nothing about how to put that into a config file so I can start with the init script |
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| 14:05.31 | ecolitan | the slapd in squeeze doesnt automatically create a slapd.conf either |
| 14:06.21 | nsadmin | LordShiva, a coupla things, about this runaway process/connection thing, 1, you might want to run your machine off the net for awhile... and 2, it's possible that yours is not the only machine on your work's local net that is being attacked (if that's what it is) |
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| 14:07.02 | nsadmin | \ecolitan, are you running squeeze? |
| 14:07.08 | ecolitan | yes |
| 14:07.13 | nsadmin | ok, sec |
| 14:07.17 | LordShiva | might be thx |
| 14:07.26 | _droid | hello guys, i want to search for multiple words in the pipped output of my dmesg. how do i do that |
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| 14:07.53 | ecolitan | _droid: egrep '(word1|word2|word3etc)' |
| 14:08.35 | _droid | ecolitan: dmesg|egrep '(bla|bal1|bla2)' ? |
| 14:08.40 | ecolitan | yep |
| 14:08.45 | _droid | ok thx |
| 14:09.20 | nsadmin | ecolitan, so one thing I just found out (and I did expect this) is the packaging for slapd will start it |
| 14:09.20 | BlaDe^ | did anyone check my pastie? |
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| 14:10.37 | seeker61 | when i put an audio cd in braseo opens. i have installed totem but still no play cd |
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| 14:11.02 | ecolitan | nsadmin: I dont follow |
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| 14:12.28 | ecolitan | nsadmin: slapd is listening by default on 0.0.0.0:389 , I want to only listen on a single IP, my machine has multiple |
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| 14:12.52 | nsadmin | ecolitan, I'm running squeeze also, and I wanted to find out what's up so I installed slapd from the debian repos... one thing the package did at the end, was to start slapd |
| 14:13.02 | boudiccas | BlaDe^: no, is it cooked yet? |
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| 14:14.07 | nsadmin | I have yet to find out what files were created when the package was installed... but one thing I'd like to ask is, did you also install slapd from the debian repo, or did you (for example) compile it yourself? |
| 14:14.47 | ecolitan | nsadmin: I installed the squeeze package named slapd |
| 14:14.59 | nsadmin | ok, same here |
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| 14:17.32 | nsadmin | there;s all kinds of libs in there (or maybe modules?) |
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| 14:18.51 | nsadmin | the package installs a config file at /usr/share/slapd/slapd.conf |
| 14:20.02 | ecolitan | nsadmin: thats an example, it needs to be moved to /etc/ldap if you want to use it |
| 14:20.14 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 14:20.29 | ecolitan | but I cant find the option in it, man slapd.conf doesnt list it |
| 14:20.30 | nsadmin | there's also /etc/default/slapd |
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| 14:21.01 | ecolitan | nsadmin: there it is! |
| 14:21.25 | nsadmin | ok, /etc/default/slapd? |
| 14:21.25 | ecolitan | nsadmin: /etc/default/slapd SLAPD_SERVICES= |
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| 14:21.52 | nsadmin | ok, so I want to tell you how I found that, I used dpkg -L slapd | less |
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| 14:23.00 | ecolitan | nsadmin: I should have thought to look there :) |
| 14:23.24 | nsadmin | ecolitan, that part is in the past... now you have a coupla mroe tools |
| 14:23.45 | mroe | nsadmin: stop handing out my tools |
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| 14:24.49 | ecolitan | now that slapd is listening on the correct IP and I can connect, comes the hard part, actually configuring it |
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| 14:25.49 | nsadmin | maybe /etc/ldap/schema/README would be of help, as well as looking thru... |
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| 14:26.43 | nsadmin | ... /usr/share/slapd/DB_CONFIG |
| 14:26.53 | ecolitan | I think I'll get ldaps working first, somehow seems easier |
| 14:28.20 | nsadmin | ecolitan, cool. hope that stuff is of assistance to you |
| 14:28.30 | ecolitan | nsadmin: yeah thanks |
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| 14:28.56 | Aramorth | hallo zusammen |
| 14:30.13 | nsadmin | ecolitan, did you install a gui ldap viewer? |
| 14:30.19 | ecolitan | Aramorth: gruß dich |
| 14:30.48 | ecolitan | nsadmin: I have ApacheDirectoryStudio working |
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| 14:34.46 | PhoenixSTF | I am tryng to install debian on a SD card, do i need to put it in FAT or ext2 to work, or any other detail? |
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| 14:38.33 | engla | PhoenixSTF: you can't install debian on FAT |
| 14:38.59 | PhoenixSTF | engla, so on ext3 then, any trick to do it on SD? |
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| 14:39.33 | engla | PhoenixSTF: I don't know the best way to configure a filesystem for SD, but I know debian needs a full-featured filesystem like ext2,3,4 or others |
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| 14:40.35 | PhoenixSTF | engla, yes but obviously I can't do normal instalation because it just wont boot... error boot code... and there isn't much info on the net |
| 14:40.44 | nsadmin | right, no fat because debian is a linux which needs unix-like filesystem semantics |
| 14:41.03 | nsadmin | why on an sd card? |
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| 14:41.25 | engla | PhoenixSTF: does your bios/firmware attempt to boot the sd card? I imagine that's the hardest part |
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| 14:41.56 | PhoenixSTF | engla, yes it does its a HP server |
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| 14:49.37 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, what happens when you write an installer image onto the sd card? |
| 14:49.50 | nsadmin | mainly, will that boot? |
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| 14:50.35 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, to the sdcard I have no idea trying it now |
| 14:51.07 | bzed | PhoenixSTF: just put the installer on an usb stick and the sdcard into the sdcard reader and then bot from the usb stick.. |
| 14:51.13 | nsadmin | that would serve as proof of concept: if that boots, then you know you can boot from sdcard |
| 14:51.14 | bzed | PhoenixSTF: and format the sdcard with ext4 |
| 14:51.47 | nsadmin | bzed, not the point. he wants to be able to boot from sdcard |
| 14:51.55 | bzed | PhoenixSTF: you might want to avoid putting swap onto the sdcard. |
| 14:51.56 | nsadmin | that would be the point of the test |
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| 14:52.14 | PhoenixSTF | no swap on sd garanteed |
| 14:52.30 | bzed | not sure if dding the installer on an sdcard makes the sdcard bootable |
| 14:52.34 | PhoenixSTF | maybe I cant do partition and have to preformat the sd card |
| 14:52.39 | PhoenixSTF | me either |
| 14:52.49 | PhoenixSTF | but I am going to try in a few minutes |
| 14:52.59 | bzed | PhoenixSTF: you can partition it in the installer |
| 14:53.27 | PhoenixSTF | bzed, did that but it gave me a big red screen |
| 14:53.36 | PhoenixSTF | on boot |
| 14:53.41 | nsadmin | bzed, right, that's what we want to find out |
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| 14:53.49 | bzed | PhoenixSTF: saying what? |
| 14:54.01 | PhoenixSTF | bootcode error or something |
| 14:54.18 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, your always here to help me heheh ;) |
| 14:54.20 | engla | You can use debootstrap to install onto the sd card from debian. |
| 14:54.38 | PhoenixSTF | ok how to do that? |
| 14:54.44 | PhoenixSTF | pls :) |
| 14:54.58 | bzed | PhoenixSTF: a detailed error description and where it happens would help more |
| 14:54.58 | nsadmin | do you have a debian installed already? |
| 14:55.22 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, where on the machine? it actualy broke.... |
| 14:55.43 | PhoenixSTF | after installed on the sd |
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| 14:55.58 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, or really any machine in the room that can read the sdcard |
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| 14:56.35 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, provide you with intel in a few minutes |
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| 14:57.09 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, is the machine you want to boot, that's intel right? |
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| 14:57.46 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, right |
| 14:58.43 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, it seems like you can at least do some of this... |
| 14:58.59 | nsadmin | does it matter what device boots? |
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| 14:59.16 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, bzed engla it boots from the sd with the dd of the debian installer |
| 14:59.36 | nsadmin | oh great... so we know for sure |
| 14:59.49 | PhoenixSTF | we need to treat it like a normal USB key live |
| 14:59.54 | PhoenixSTF | or installed |
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| 15:01.03 | PhoenixSTF | so what do I need to do to install on a USB? |
| 15:01.19 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, (slaps forehead) now I understand what bzed's point was |
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| 15:02.01 | nsadmin | what you can do, is put the installer on a usb key. boot that and then install onto the sdcard |
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| 15:03.17 | nsadmin | that way the installer parts won't be overwritten during the install to the sdcard |
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| 15:05.44 | bzed | nsadmin: :D |
| 15:06.21 | nsadmin | bzed, and, it is a good thing we know for sure the sdcard can boot |
| 15:07.48 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, still curious, what do you get from having the installation on an sdcard? |
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| 15:08.35 | nsadmin | bzed, if we found out otherwise, the whole exercise would have been pointless |
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| 15:12.07 | alphanoob | Hey. I have problems with my postfix installation. I get "postfix/smtp[3255]: fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp" in the log every time the mailqueue tries to send mail. |
| 15:13.00 | nsadmin | alphanoob, misconfiguration? |
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| 15:13.43 | alphanoob | nsadmin: might be; but nothing postfix discovers itself - no error on startup |
| 15:14.23 | alphanoob | mailq reports "unknown mail transport error" for the open requests |
| 15:14.36 | SPF | smtp/tcp? might be related to /etc/services |
| 15:14.46 | nsadmin | are you running squeeze? |
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| 15:15.19 | alphanoob | yes i'm running squeeze. |
| 15:15.34 | ChrisH | alphanoob: smtp inside /etc/service ? |
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| 15:16.28 | alphanoob | ChrisH: smtp 25/tcp mail |
| 15:16.48 | blue_sky | looking for a debian package of perl module Net::SSH::Perl, libnet-ssh-perl is just the regular Net::SSH (the naming convention being confusing) do I have to get this package from CPAN instead? |
| 15:16.54 | kwork | hey, anyone has idea why using ping -I interface works, but using ping -I address ( what is bind to same interface) doesnot ? |
| 15:17.25 | ChrisH | alphanoob: OK... does getent services smtp work? |
| 15:17.59 | alphanoob | XhrisH: Yep: smtp 25/tcp mail |
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| 15:18.37 | ChrisH | kwork: man ping states on -I: Argument may be numeric IP address or name of device. <-- I cannot see anything on name there. |
| 15:19.01 | nsadmin | -I expects an interface not an address |
| 15:19.13 | nsadmin | oh it does? |
| 15:19.23 | kwork | ChrisH: im using numeric ip not hostname |
| 15:19.23 | themill | blue_sky: I can't see that one anywhere -- you could try to make a package using dh-make-perl |
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| 15:19.45 | blue_sky | themill: that's another package I don't know! |
| 15:19.47 | ChrisH | alphanoob: Then my knownledge in Postfix is reached :) |
| 15:19.52 | blue_sky | I can guess what it does though |
| 15:20.12 | ChrisH | kwork: create some examples and pastebin it; that makes things easier for all |
| 15:20.26 | nsadmin | kwork: what does ping say exactly when you try? |
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| 15:20.40 | alphanoob | ChrisH: The guys from the postfix channel sent me here because they think it is a debian-specific problem with chrooting. |
| 15:21.02 | blue_sky | themill: that looks like a useful piece of kit, thank you. installing it now. |
| 15:21.16 | nsadmin | alphanoob, are you chrooting? |
| 15:21.32 | ChrisH | alphanoob: You now mention chroot'ed env. did you do your tests _inside_ that chroot env? |
| 15:21.35 | alphanoob | nsadmin: it is the default setting; so yes, of course |
| 15:21.48 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, sorry was away for a little while |
| 15:22.08 | alphanoob | ChrisH: i didn't run the last command. wait a sec |
| 15:22.43 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, no problem, my question is answered: yes, you did verify that a properly set up sdcard can boot |
| 15:22.45 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, bzed it is simple, is a virtual machine server, I get by not having to install the system on ANY hdd of the server, so if I have to format, change, modify any RAID or partition it wont mix with my OS |
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| 15:23.26 | PhoenixSTF | also if the server has a hardware malfunction all I have to do is put the sd card on another machine and boot it up |
| 15:23.48 | kwork | ChrisH nsadmin http://pastebin.com/bDwf93c7 |
| 15:24.06 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, the sdcard did boot with the installer made with dd, but I dont know how to do a proper instalation on the SD |
| 15:25.07 | kwork | ChrisH nsadmin the x.x.x.76 is bound to eth4 |
| 15:25.37 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, so you could either write the installer image onto a -separate- usb stick and use that installer to install onto the sdcard... OR |
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| 15:26.38 | nsadmin | if you -already- have a debian, you can use debootstrap to install a minimal debian, and then install grub onto it |
| 15:27.06 | nsadmin | kwork, so it looks like it's working... what's the problem? |
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| 15:27.22 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, tried the 1st option and it didnt work probably because of grub |
| 15:27.41 | kwork | nsadmin: using the interface works, but not using the address |
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| 15:27.47 | kwork | -not |
| 15:27.53 | kwork | aww fail train |
| 15:27.58 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, not sure what you mean exactly by "doesn't work" |
| 15:27.59 | kwork | first ping fails second works, why |
| 15:28.06 | ChrisH | kwork: ist the x.x.x.76 the only IP assigned to eth4? I currently do not have such a setup with debian at hand for testing. |
| 15:28.16 | kwork | ChrisH: yes its only ip |
| 15:28.52 | nsadmin | kwork, but you did use the address in the pastebin you provided, and that did work (or is there another piece of info?) |
| 15:29.22 | kwork | nsadmin: there is two pings in the pastebin |
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| 15:29.39 | nsadmin | ok, I'll look again :) |
| 15:29.42 | alphanoob | ChrisH: I have trouble chrooting, because there is no bash. "mount -o bind /bin /var/spool/postfix/bin" didn't help |
| 15:29.52 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, RED screen bootcommand error or something like that, like I sais it didnt work probably because of grub |
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| 15:30.54 | themill | alphanoob: restarting postfix using the debian init script recreates the chroot for you |
| 15:31.00 | nsadmin | oic, so the command actually worked (no error) but didn't return pings |
| 15:31.25 | kwork | nsadmin: yes thats the problem, i cant understand why i dont get any return pings |
| 15:31.38 | kwork | in theory it should select same interface and work like the second try |
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| 15:33.13 | nsadmin | kwork, if you zoom out one level, is it important for solving your current problem that you would specify the interface by its ip? stated another way, what's inconvenient about having to specify by interface name? |
| 15:33.33 | nsadmin | all this in the context of the overall problem you're working to solve |
| 15:33.36 | kwork | nsadmin: the problem is that i have another pinging tool, fping what is used in smokeping where i cant specify interface |
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| 15:34.26 | kwork | nsadmin: i can specify only address and the result is same i dont get any results |
| 15:34.45 | nsadmin | (hope you don't mind exploring in this direction) what is the consequence of not being able to specify the interface? |
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| 15:35.08 | nsadmin | like with fping |
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| 15:35.31 | kwork | nsadmin: the consequence is that ping results don't get back to me like in the pastebins first try |
| 15:35.38 | kwork | most likely they end up going out from wrong interface |
| 15:35.57 | encrypt | Supposing I only have PPPOE service.. what is the meaning of using freeradius + PPPOE when PPPOE already has some auth DB? Or should I really skip freeradius and use PPPOE only? |
| 15:35.59 | nsadmin | do you have multiple default routes? |
| 15:36.59 | kwork | nsadmin: default routes no, routing tables yes |
| 15:37.17 | nsadmin | you have more than one routing table? |
| 15:37.35 | nsadmin | someone help :) |
| 15:38.09 | kwork | nsadmin: the real problem is for some reason the correct interface isnt choosen for the packets, and i cant quite grasp why |
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| 15:38.43 | alphanoob | themill: If I see that correctly, the initscript just cd's into the chroot-directory before executing start-stop-daemon |
| 15:38.47 | nsadmin | oh ok, must be some sort of default, maybe order that interfaces appear in ifconfig, or order of routes |
| 15:38.49 | kwork | nsadmin: specifing the source address, the system should understand from the adress what outgoing interface do use |
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| 15:39.29 | nsadmin | kwork, that does seem important because otherwise maybe your whole net doesn't work |
| 15:39.44 | themill | alphanoob: no, the init script recreates the chroot around line 71 |
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| 15:40.06 | nsadmin | themill, could you help kwork out when you have time |
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| 15:40.14 | themill | alphanoob: is this an installation that's been around for a while and would you have previously edited it? |
| 15:41.37 | alphanoob | themill: yeah. with "cd $(postconf -h queue_directory)" (l 75) the other commands are only for TLS and for copying some files. |
| 15:41.37 | nsadmin | kwork, I've never seen multiple routing tables, do you have something that describes this feature, like a doc url? |
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| 15:42.18 | kwork | nsadmin: http://lartc.org/howto/ |
| 15:42.24 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 15:42.36 | kwork | nsadmin: check section 4 |
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| 15:43.07 | themill | alphanoob: line 101-105 copies the files like /etc/services into the chroot and ensures they have correct permissions. (btw have you tried restarting postfix with th einit script to see if that fixes this?) |
| 15:44.26 | alphanoob | themill: the initscript is the tidy way to restart a deamon. and yeah I tried restarting of course |
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| 15:45.45 | themill | alphanoob: given that the init script also recreates the chroot, it's more than just the tidy way... |
| 15:46.01 | themill | so did you or did you not try restarting postfix with the init script? |
| 15:46.26 | alphanoob | themill: well you could do it by hand or an own scirpt :-D, that'd be very untidy ;-) |
| 15:46.42 | alphanoob | themill: yes |
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| 15:49.16 | alphanoob | themill: i'm sorry: connection loss |
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| 15:50.16 | kwork | nsadmin: okey figured it out, i was missing ip rule for src address x.x.x.76 lookup from correct table |
| 15:50.32 | kwork | so i guess it tried to route it via default route |
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| 16:08.08 | fas3r | Hello |
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| 16:08.43 | fas3r | I have a problem, or it will be a question, why the process init stay with the ID 1 after 5hours when the server boot ? |
| 16:08.54 | fas3r | It not suppose to disepear ? |
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| 16:09.28 | ksk | fas3r: theres always an init process, and it always has pid 1 |
| 16:09.45 | fas3r | ksk: ho ok.. |
| 16:09.53 | ksk | all other processes are his children |
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| 16:10.10 | ksk | you can see this easily, like "ps -faux" or "pstree" |
| 16:10.30 | ksk | 367 |
| 16:10.34 | ksk | err, wrong window :> |
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| 16:23.21 | Sevet | anyone got any ideas about this error running a .exe through mono? "File does not contain a valid CIL image" |
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| 16:24.16 | Sevet | i know this exe runs on windows ok, and md5sum matches so it's not corrupt. would it be possible to get it to run, or is mono just not able to run this particular program? |
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| 16:33.40 | WANDERINGspider | hi |
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| 16:37.22 | WANDERINGspider | echoooooooo |
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| 16:39.19 | nsadmin | WANDERINGspider, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 16:39.52 | WANDERINGspider | thanks nsadmin |
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| 16:40.05 | Assid | heya |
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| 16:41.36 | WANDERINGspider | right now i have a knoppix install on my lappy. Im not looking to use it with a flash disk / live cd however. I really really like the interface knoppix has (xdm?). Think I'd be better off with a debian hd install then go from there? |
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| 16:45.24 | amphi_ | WANDERINGspider: I would imagine you could easily configure debian to use a knopix-like iface |
| 16:45.42 | amphi | hasn't seen knoppix in a long time |
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| 16:47.14 | AimHere | WANDERINGspider, you are probably better off with an OS designed for HD installation, for isntalling on your hard drive, whether Debian, Ubuntu, Slackware etc |
| 16:47.55 | AimHere | Knoppix is great as a liveCD but I wouldn't like to just shove it on my hard drive |
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| 16:53.55 | Diopter | Sevet: Looks like it's not a .NET binary. |
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| 16:55.18 | WANDERINGspider | how about xbunutu? |
| 16:55.22 | sirtophat | any way to disable my laptop's hardware keyboard while leaving the USB one enabled? |
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| 16:55.44 | ronny | hi |
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| 16:56.09 | gnarface | sirtophat: seems like something you could do with your xorg config |
| 16:56.12 | ronny | are there repos to get recent firefox versions instead of the ones currently in testing/stable |
| 16:56.34 | sirtophat | would that affect the terminals that are gotten to with ctrl-alt-F1-6 |
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| 16:57.22 | gnarface | sirtophat: no that would not, but to change that i think you may have to alter your kernel |
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| 16:57.32 | gnarface | sirtophat: or at least pass some vars on the command line |
| 16:57.33 | sirtophat | guess I'll have to check bios options |
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| 16:58.02 | gnarface | sirtophat: maybe you can change the virtual terminal's keyboard and disable some of the connected one's through its config, i'm just not sure |
| 16:58.17 | metaphysician | ..getting Debian in the |
| 16:58.21 | metaphysician | free-distros list |
| 16:59.01 | WANDERINGspider | any real difference between chromium and chrome? |
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| 16:59.16 | javiM | hi there |
| 16:59.19 | javiM | could anyone give me a hand? i am pretty stacked http://serverfault.com/questions/404780/vlans-and-bridge-xen-virtualization |
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| 16:59.44 | metaphysician | WANDERINGspider: the trademarks is one |
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| 17:00.03 | Diopter | javiM: I know exactly what issue you're going to have |
| 17:00.22 | WANDERINGspider | elaborate if you would |
| 17:00.59 | javiM | tell me :) |
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| 17:02.07 | Diopter | javiM: Well, I saw an issue before I even read down the page to your actual question, but for the ifup issue, you're using a MAC address that starts with ff:ff: which isn't allowed. |
| 17:02.26 | Diopter | javiM: RTNETLINK isn't complaining about the IP address when it says "Can't assigned requested address" |
| 17:02.37 | javiM | hums |
| 17:02.47 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, hey m8 got it to run, the issue was that I did the instalation on it but automaticly installed grub on another HDD, so I had just to specify to install grub onto the SD card, its working like a charm |
| 17:02.51 | javiM | i typed that for have whatever |
| 17:03.04 | javiM | im gonna change with other |
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| 17:04.11 | Diopter | javiM: The next problem you're going to have is that you made two bridges, br0 and vlan1, and put eth0 and eth0.2 in them respectively |
| 17:04.22 | sirtophat | why does debian come with "iceweasil" |
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| 17:04.54 | dioz | sirtophat: my default debian install came with epiphany |
| 17:04.55 | Diopter | javiM: But when you put the super (untagged) interface in a bridge, and the sub (tagged) interface is not in that same bridge (even if it's in another bridge), you need to use ebtables magic to get the tagged traffic |
| 17:05.03 | dioz | not sure what you're talmbout |
| 17:05.23 | sirtophat | I got iceweasil with my 64-bit beta or something |
| 17:05.28 | javiM | lol now I can ping :) |
| 17:05.40 | gnugr | strophat:iceweasel=firefox |
| 17:05.53 | gnugr | sitrophat* |
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| 17:07.56 | javiM | Diopter my idea of make a VLAN is for transfer files between the machines faster than 10MB/s |
| 17:08.16 | javiM | but I just tried scp copy from HOST to GUEST and I still having 10MB/s |
| 17:08.23 | javiM | this way I'm wasting my SATA speed |
| 17:09.34 | Diopter | javiM: Do you have ethtool installed on the host? |
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| 17:10.07 | javiM | yes |
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| 17:10.58 | Diopter | javiM: ethtool eth1. My suspicion is that your vif config in Xen is making it a 100Mbps adapter |
| 17:11.07 | Diopter | javiM: Sorry, I meant to ask for ethtool on the guest |
| 17:11.12 | javiM | ok |
| 17:11.22 | javiM | Settings for eth1: Link detected: yes |
| 17:11.23 | javiM | just that |
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| 17:11.41 | Diopter | javiM: 100Mbps / 8 * .90 or so ~= 10MB/s, which is why I immediately thought that is your issue |
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| 17:12.16 | Diopter | javiM: The 90% is for SSH/TCP/IP/ETH overhead |
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| 17:12.34 | javiM | lol |
| 17:12.36 | javiM | my mistake |
| 17:12.41 | javiM | i was connecting by the external ip |
| 17:12.50 | javiM | now I am getting 50mb/s |
| 17:12.51 | javiM | :D |
| 17:13.02 | Diopter | Much better. Now, does your VLAN'd interface work? |
| 17:13.18 | javiM | yes :) |
| 17:13.22 | javiM | everything is ok |
| 17:13.40 | javiM | thanks you so much |
| 17:13.41 | Diopter | Cool. So that's because it's in a second bridge itself. |
| 17:13.50 | Diopter | If you had eth0 in a bridge and eth0.2 not in a bridge, it wouldn't have worked |
| 17:14.04 | Diopter | I wrote a blog post about it if you need a reference for how to solve that |
| 17:14.17 | javiM | msg me the link :) |
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| 17:22.43 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, great :) does it boot on another machine? |
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| 17:29.55 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, going to try it now |
| 17:30.15 | WANDERINGspider | finally could anyone point me in the right direction for a carputer frontend distro? |
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| 17:30.45 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, one thing, if the first one is still running, removing the sdcard now will eventually make it crash... shut it down first |
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| 17:32.18 | nsadmin | you mean installing something in a computer in a car? |
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| 17:32.56 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, sure lol its a normal system hdd, it has to be treated that way |
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| 17:33.22 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, you know the deal :) |
| 17:33.25 | WANDERINGspider | i have a netbook.... I want a distro for a DIN / CD player replacement |
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| 17:34.29 | nsadmin | WANDERINGspider, you'd probably have to write stuff to get it to do what you want |
| 17:35.03 | nsadmin | otoh, there are cd players designed to do most of that stuff |
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| 17:36.02 | WANDERINGspider | werd. I have a knoppix beta almost ready. should be neat but thanks for youre help! |
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| 17:52.38 | slav3_kitten | can anyone suggest a good command line mp3 player for linux that supports mp3gain tags? |
| 17:52.50 | slav3_kitten | iirc they are replaygain tags but i'm not 100% sure on that |
| 17:53.24 | tharkun | How can i check that two servers have the same clock, it seems the leap second last week has some machines running haywire :( |
| 17:53.52 | localpoison | Hi guys, I'm trying to build a debian package with the helper tools, but I have a problem. I'm using a customized debian/rules file because the Makefile is in src/. I got it to configure, but it seems to create config.status and such in the wrong (parent) directory. can I somehow override the destination? |
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| 17:55.10 | tharkun | How can i check that two servers have the same clock, it seems the leap second last week has some machines running haywire :( |
| 17:55.27 | slav3_kitten | tharkun, we heard you the first time |
| 17:55.36 | nsadmin | localpoison, you donT have to do that, you can run make in the src dir |
| 17:55.44 | tharkun | slav3_kitten: YES, i just hitted the wrong terminal ;P |
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| 17:56.39 | stew | localpoison: so you are in a directory named something like "packagename" and this dreictory contains the debian directory and a src directory. you run ./configure and it creates config.status in the directory ABOVE the "packagename" directory? |
| 17:56.43 | localpoison | nsadmin, it does run in the source dir, but it needs those config.status config.cache etc files and those are created in the parent dir |
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| 17:57.09 | nsadmin | localpoison, so you can cd there first :) |
| 17:57.41 | stew | by "source dir" do you mean the directory that contains the "debian" directory? or the directory above that? or some other directory? |
| 17:57.56 | localpoison | ok so my rules file does this: |
| 17:57.56 | localpoison | dh_testdir |
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| 17:58.31 | nsadmin | stew, I think he has a dir "src" off of the root of the dir made when dpkg-source -x |
| 17:58.38 | localpoison | but it doesn't create the config.status in src/ but in the parent directory called pvpgn-1.8.5 |
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| 17:58.58 | stew | localpoison: why do you think this is wrong? |
| 17:59.23 | localpoison | because when I run make all it looks for the config.status file within the src/ dir |
| 17:59.51 | stew | localpoison: it sounds like you should be running "cd src ; ./configure" |
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| 18:00.30 | localpoison | does that work? can I just put cd src/ in my debian/rules file |
| 18:00.33 | localpoison | I'll try |
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| 18:00.54 | stew | localpoison: uh, that probably should be "cd src && ./configure" |
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| 18:01.56 | nsadmin | lots of times, debian/rules runs the configure script, and you would put the options to configure in there too |
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| 18:05.10 | localpoison | just one sec. it works so far, it does create it in src/ now. |
| 18:06.12 | localpoison | well it finished through, but the original problem I had is that it just builds the docs and not the binaries as well |
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| 18:08.48 | localpoison | ok got it to work. thanks a million stew and nsadmin! I knew it was something simple... |
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| 18:10.49 | PhoenixSTF | nsadmin, works like a boss |
| 18:10.49 | nsadmin | localpoison, the bottom line here, is packaging is very flexible, enough at least so you can make your own build system if you need |
| 18:10.59 | nsadmin | bosses work?! |
| 18:11.10 | PhoenixSTF | I do ;) |
| 18:11.25 | nsadmin | PhoenixSTF, quite excellent :) |
| 18:12.03 | localpoison | it was kinda my first package on debian, still a long way to go |
| 18:12.06 | nsadmin | localpoison, and, if there is already a build system, it should be flexible enough you can use it |
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| 18:13.08 | localpoison | could I do the same with dh $@? |
| 18:13.18 | localpoison | with overrides? |
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| 18:13.25 | stew | yes |
| 18:14.23 | localpoison | guess I'll check that out. again, thanks a lot guys. |
| 18:14.29 | nsadmin | localpoison, one thing about debhelper, it has a large handful of small programs (like dh_testroot) and each one have manpages |
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| 18:17.09 | KeatonT | What is the proper way to automate Debian updates? |
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| 18:17.28 | KeatonT | In a production environment. |
| 18:18.10 | Diopter | KeatonT: I'm a fan of the unattended-upgrades package, myself. |
| 18:18.31 | Diopter | I'm not sure if it's *the* proper way, but it's certainly robust and flexible. |
| 18:18.56 | KeatonT | Diopter thanks. |
| 18:19.00 | KeatonT | I'll check it out. |
| 18:19.08 | pparadis | KeatonT: some people use this --> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/162 |
| 18:19.20 | nsadmin | KeatonT, what did you mean more detailed, when you say "production environment"? |
| 18:19.25 | pparadis | in general, automatic upgrades are probably best avoided, however. |
| 18:19.38 | KeatonT | nsadmin it's a ESXi whitebox install for a server I have here at home. |
| 18:19.53 | KeatonT | It hosts a number of network services. |
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| 18:20.06 | KeatonT | and it's getting old having to log in and do updates manually. |
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| 18:21.52 | hotwings | using debian testing here. im doing something wrong with my nfs server setup and cant figure out what. all i want to do is share /mnt/lan as read-only on my lan fileserver. but i want a certain box, 192.168.1.111 for example, to have the exception of /mnt/lan/bin being read-write instead of read-only. can someone tell me the correct way to do this in /etc/exports? |
| 18:22.21 | pparadis | KeatonT: as long as you understand the fact that software can possibly break over time, that crap happens, and that the only way you'll be guaranteed to know what's happening with your system is to do the upgrades yourself and read what they, okay. |
| 18:22.37 | nsadmin | so you are ok with small surprises as a result of changes brought about by upgrades you may or may not be aware of until they already completed? |
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| 18:22.50 | pparadis | exactly |
| 18:23.40 | KeatonT | pparadis yea I've had reserves for that exact reason. |
| 18:23.59 | pparadis | wouldn't do it, but ymmv. |
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| 18:24.34 | nsadmin | (by comparison, in a business site, very often you -never- change it before testing... having said that, in this case you are the "boss" of it, and so it depends on your own prefs |
| 18:24.37 | tremon | hotwings: paste (but not in the channel) the output of exportfs -v and cat /proc/mounts on the server, and the mount command you're using on the client |
| 18:24.38 | nsadmin | ) |
| 18:25.56 | Diopter | KeatonT: Having "reserves" doesn't help if all of them are auto-updating and run the same system from the same repo. Just a protip ;P |
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| 18:26.17 | pparadis | Diopter: i believe he meant "reservations" |
| 18:26.37 | pparadis | Diopter: (protip) |
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| 18:27.36 | Diopter | pparadis: Entirely possible, but not what he said. |
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| 18:30.44 | Diopter | baba24: Really |
| 18:30.49 | tremon | has anyone seen this error before? E: Sub-process /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -ne 10 returned an error code (100) |
| 18:31.08 | tremon | If I run it manually, it just hangs (waiting for input, presumably) |
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| 18:31.43 | KeatonT | wow |
| 18:32.15 | Diopter | marienz: Approved! |
| 18:32.39 | marienz | meh, timing |
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| 18:35.13 | tremon | hotwings: keep it in the channel, please |
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| 18:35.52 | tremon | hotwings: your client mount listing (thanks for providing it, I hadn't yet asked) says clientaddr=192.168.0.110 |
| 18:36.21 | tremon | ... but your export says 192.168.0.111(rw) |
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| 18:36.55 | hotwings | gah |
| 18:36.59 | hotwings | man how could i miss that?! |
| 18:37.12 | tremon | :) |
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| 18:37.39 | hotwings | one sec |
| 18:38.04 | tremon | if you're using nfs4, that export still might not work btw |
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| 18:38.54 | hotwings | yeah using nfs4 here |
| 18:39.16 | hotwings | even with export .110(rw) and restarting everything, same problem |
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| 18:39.55 | tremon | well all documentation says otherwise, but in my experience with nfs4, because /mnt/lan/bin isn't a separate mountpoint on the server you may not be able to export it with different mount options |
| 18:39.57 | hotwings | i can mount /mnt/lan no problem, but i cant mount /mnt/lan/bin as rw for the .110 box |
| 18:40.35 | thewanderer1 | hotwings, I believe it's not possible to have a read-only export root and then a read-write exception to it |
| 18:40.50 | hotwings | ok, so to fix it i would have to create a /etc/exports entry for each item in /mnt/lan then? |
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| 18:41.15 | thewanderer1 | hotwings, yes, and put each item on a filesystem of its own - because in NFS4, you export filesystems |
| 18:41.23 | thewanderer1 | a bindmount should be enough |
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| 18:41.50 | hotwings | thewanderer1 - im not sure what you mean by put each item on a fs of its own. sorry, im really new to this stuff |
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| 18:43.51 | thewanderer1 | hotwings, you can't just export 1 dir as rw and another as ro - if you want to do that, they need to be on different mounts on your server |
| 18:44.32 | tremon | hotwings: iiuc, when you export /mnt/lan with nfs4, you set the export options for the entire filesystem on which /mnt/lan is located. You can't override that by exporting other directories on the same filesystem |
| 18:44.52 | hotwings | ok |
| 18:45.31 | tremon | hotwings: you can, however, mount --bind your /mnt/lan/bin to a different location and export the bind mount with different options |
| 18:45.39 | tremon | thewanderer1: (am I right so far?) |
| 18:45.53 | thewanderer1 | tremon, I think so |
| 18:46.19 | tremon | hotwings: however, your clients must now mount /mnt/lan and the new mountpoint for mnt/lan/bin explicitly |
| 18:46.38 | hotwings | so on the server i could mount --bind /mnt/lan/bin to say /mnt/lanbin.. and then mount /mnt/lanbin rw on the client? |
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| 18:47.03 | tremon | hotwings: that's the theory |
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| 18:47.22 | hotwings | i could just create a mount point for each item in /mnt/lan. but i think ill try the --bind suggestion as well just to see if it works |
| 18:47.31 | tremon | I haven't been able to make that work reliably for me though (or some variation of the same) |
| 18:47.34 | hotwings | gimme a few minutes to make some adjustments. thanks for the help btw |
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| 18:48.55 | thewanderer1 | the fsid should be set to a unique value for every such share |
| 18:49.09 | hotwings | btw, what i was trying to do originally, works in samba :) |
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| 18:50.25 | EvOox- | hi debian chan :) |
| 18:50.28 | thewanderer1 | well, Samba works differently - it exports directories instead of filesystems |
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| 18:52.17 | deyan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.36 | bandu | is there a proper way to "upgrade" an existing debian install from debian stable to debian testing or sid? cause i tried simply editing the apt lines in sources.list and it broke just about everything. |
| 18:52.37 | deyan | there is a bug afrer install |
| 18:53.18 | Diopter | bandu: Did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 18:53.42 | thewanderer1 | bandu, that's how you know it works :P |
| 18:53.58 | pparadis | !tell bandu about sqeeze->wheezy |
| 18:53.58 | bandu | i attempted it, but aptitude spat out an error before it actually applied the updatesd |
| 18:54.11 | thewanderer1 | bandu, use apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 18:54.17 | pparadis | huh, there's no tip for that yet. |
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| 18:54.24 | bandu | thewanderer1: okay. |
| 18:54.32 | tremon | pparadis: you missed a u |
| 18:54.38 | pparadis | did i? |
| 18:54.40 | pparadis | heeh |
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| 18:54.48 | bandu | !tell bandu about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:54.57 | pparadis | there we go. |
| 18:55.22 | bandu | okay. |
| 18:55.29 | bandu | thank you, guys. i really appreciate the support. |
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| 18:55.50 | bandu | hugs pparadis, Diopter, and thewanderer1 |
| 18:56.00 | tremon | deyan: "there's a bug" is not something we can work with, we need more |
| 18:56.34 | deyan | amm ,i install wheezy |
| 18:56.41 | hotwings | wait, whats the proper export line for /mnt/lan/bin read-only for the whole lan, but read-write for .110? should this be done on one line or two? |
| 18:56.41 | deyan | with GDM3 |
| 18:57.03 | deyan | and and after install there is blinking cursor |
| 18:57.11 | tremon | hotwings: I'd do it on one line, but it shouldn't matter |
| 18:57.15 | bandu | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gcj-4.7-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 18:57.17 | deyan | i install amd-driver-12.6 beta |
| 18:57.20 | bandu | interesting. |
| 18:57.31 | deyan | i tried and 12.4 |
| 18:57.41 | bandu | is slogging through # man 5 apt.conf |
| 18:57.43 | deyan | i use 6790 |
| 18:57.44 | deyan | ati |
| 18:57.53 | tremon | bandu: you can try with -o "APT::Immediate-Configure false" |
| 18:58.02 | hotwings | tremon - what would the one-liner look like? |
| 18:58.03 | deyan | i downgrade xserver |
| 18:58.04 | bandu | okay. |
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| 18:58.37 | deyan | when i downgrade xserver , everything |
| 18:58.39 | tremon | deyan: did you get it working with the debian driver first? That usually takes less effort |
| 18:58.40 | deyan | is fine |
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| 18:59.07 | deyan | but when i upgrade |
| 18:59.21 | deyan | i did that black sceen again |
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| 18:59.47 | deyan | yes |
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| 18:59.55 | deyan | but falback |
| 19:00.02 | deyan | is the result |
| 19:00.18 | tremon | hotwings: iirc, it's /mnt/lanbin ...110 (rw) ...0/24(ro) |
| 19:00.22 | deyan | sorry for my english :) |
| 19:00.35 | bazhang | deyan, 12.04 is ubuntu not debian |
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| 19:00.46 | hotwings | ahh right ok thx. i do remember seeing that somewhere |
| 19:00.53 | deyan | i tried ubuntu 12.4 and mint ,and wheezy |
| 19:00.57 | deyan | same thing |
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| 19:01.02 | bazhang | no |
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| 19:01.39 | deyan | ubuntu has no screen duaring installation |
| 19:01.43 | deyan | mint olso |
| 19:01.51 | bandu | tremon: thank you VERY much! that fixed it. |
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| 19:03.22 | MO_Handes | can one activate minimize button on gnome3 windows? |
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| 19:03.36 | tremon | deyan: I've read reports that catalyst has reliability issues with xserver 1.12 |
| 19:04.10 | deyan | yes i read this but there is no solution |
| 19:04.28 | deyan | only with older xorg |
| 19:04.28 | Diopter | deyan: Have you tried adding "nomodeset" to the kernel commandline in grub? |
| 19:04.42 | deyan | mmno |
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| 19:04.46 | multiHYP | hi all |
| 19:04.54 | multiHYP | is there a way to reset the pids? |
| 19:04.58 | MO_Handes | hi multiHYP |
| 19:05.06 | multiHYP | I tried sudo reboot on ubuntu, but still 16xxx |
| 19:05.15 | tremon | doesn't the catalyst installation blacklist the radeon module? Seems like it should... |
| 19:05.16 | Diopter | multiHYP: reset what pids? |
| 19:05.23 | deyan | how i anable this |
| 19:05.28 | multiHYP | any newly created pid |
| 19:05.36 | tremon | multiHYP: why do you worry about pids? |
| 19:05.44 | Diopter | multiHYP: You're concerned about pid numbering..? |
| 19:05.48 | multiHYP | yes |
| 19:06.37 | deyan | tremon i do not know |
| 19:06.39 | multiHYP | its just growing and I rebooted the system for 1. getting it faster again and 2. resetting all process ids back to ... |
| 19:06.54 | Diopter | ... |
| 19:07.09 | multiHYP | is jetty restart causing deteriorating speed on ubuntu? |
| 19:07.10 | deyan | i remove in wheezy all fglrx driver and mesa |
| 19:07.14 | Diopter | fyi, Linux should not generally need to be rebooted to make a system "faster" |
| 19:07.32 | multiHYP | so all i do on it is ssh, nginx, and jetty. |
| 19:07.34 | Diopter | Your issue is likely with specific userspace processes, not the kernel |
| 19:07.50 | multiHYP | the only slowness might come is from the occasional jetty.sh restart. |
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| 19:08.12 | multiHYP | also run mongodb on the box, but that is all. |
| 19:08.27 | tremon | deyan: if you remove fglrx, you need to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree, and (possibly) reinstall the libgl1-mesa packages |
| 19:08.59 | multiHYP | so how can I reset pid numbers? |
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| 19:09.53 | deyan | yes i must install linux headers also |
| 19:10.19 | deyan | i tried this |
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| 19:10.46 | Diopter | multiHYP: You seem to have a fundamental misconception about something here. First of all, the actual value of a PID means nothing, except for PID 1, which is init |
| 19:10.52 | deyan | but the problem is still there |
| 19:10.58 | Diopter | multiHYP: The value of the rest does not matter. It affects nothing. |
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| 19:11.24 | Diopter | multiHYP: Secondly, are you suggesting that you have multiplying processes? Why are you restarting jetty? |
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| 19:11.35 | deyan | only the older xorg is the solution but after upgrade ,xorg also is upgrading |
| 19:11.38 | multiHYP | i understand that. its just my desire to reset them after a certain number. |
| 19:12.23 | multiHYP | no, i restart jetty after new deployment, instead of having it scan the webapp directory at a certain frequency automatically. |
| 19:12.53 | Diopter | multiHYP: Why 'reset' them after a certain number? |
| 19:13.12 | multiHYP | because top and my screen can only take certain number of characters. :) |
| 19:13.21 | multiHYP | why not tell me how, if possible? |
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| 19:15.15 | craigevil | because they are there for you reason, you don't just randomly kill processes |
| 19:15.48 | multiHYP | craigevil: that was not my question/request. I want newly created processes to have as low of an id as possible again. |
| 19:16.08 | multiHYP | is it possible? if yes, how? |
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| 19:16.44 | craigevil | looks at channel name yep it still says #debian and not #ubuntu |
| 19:16.53 | Diopter | multiHYP: use sysctl to set kernel.pid_max to less than the default 32768 |
| 19:17.18 | Diopter | multiHYP: But beware that this likely means you are restricting the max process/thread count |
| 19:17.27 | multiHYP | craigevil: alright, as if. |
| 19:17.41 | multiHYP | Diopter: oh so what happens when that 32768 is reached by default? |
| 19:18.06 | multiHYP | does it automatically do what I want at that threshold? |
| 19:18.06 | craigevil | the zombie apocalypse starts |
| 19:18.12 | Diopter | multiHYP: Assuming you don't actually have 32k active processes, it wraps/fills in holes in the PID map |
| 19:18.35 | multiHYP | so not necessarily starting as low as possible again. |
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| 19:18.50 | Diopter | Nope, not necessarily. But probably close to that behavior. |
| 19:18.58 | multiHYP | no i have max 10 pids active at all time. |
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| 19:19.18 | Diopter | Then you must be restarting those proesses thousands of times |
| 19:19.23 | multiHYP | ok thats good enough, thanks i didn't know that. I'm almost there, half way there now. |
| 19:19.26 | kaio | hi @ everybody |
| 19:19.30 | tremon | looks at his poor machine having to juggle 130 pids |
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| 19:19.44 | multiHYP | Diopter: nah, ps'ing much and sshing and so on... |
| 19:20.00 | multiHYP | hi kaio |
| 19:20.07 | kaio | is it safe to put a normal user in adm group ? the only thing i want to achieve is for the user to be able to *read* the logs in /var/log/ |
| 19:20.17 | multiHYP | no |
| 19:20.44 | multiHYP | allow him as a root to do it. I don't know if thats a better option though. |
| 19:21.08 | multiHYP | i mean being a root allow the user as a user to do that. |
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| 19:21.15 | craigevil | kaio, use sudo |
| 19:21.32 | kaio | multiHYP: i remember some backtrack and ubuntu installation where it was possible without using sudo |
| 19:21.41 | kaio | craigevil: that is what i want to avoid |
| 19:22.01 | multiHYP | yes, don't give root password, nor its authorisations to any user. |
| 19:22.08 | tremon | kaio: should be safe, there is no special handling for the adm group in debian iirc |
| 19:22.09 | craigevil | why? you can set it up where being able to read /var/logs/ is all he can do |
| 19:22.25 | multiHYP | ubuntu changes default behaviour all the time, i lost track months ago. |
| 19:22.59 | kaio | i dont like to became root each time i have to check syslog for errors ... |
| 19:23.15 | kaio | also i need only to *read* those files ( *not* write) |
| 19:23.19 | multiHYP | if its for your own usage and you are the root too, use sudo, its okay. |
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| 19:23.43 | multiHYP | I'm afraid the burden is worth the security. |
| 19:23.45 | kaio | tremon: where can i find documentation about the meaning of the groups ? |
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| 19:24.54 | kaio | multiHYP: what else is adm able to do ? can it damage/write configs ? if adm only allow me to read the logs it's ok. |
| 19:25.39 | multiHYP | yes, the admin could allow certain groups or individual users to have read access to that directory for instance. |
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| 19:26.01 | tremon | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_permissions_for_groups_of_users_group |
| 19:26.19 | tremon | kaio: ^ table 1.7 |
| 19:26.26 | kaio | the problem is that i use nvidia optimus + bumblebee. it works good but the max run time before a crash is ~ 24h :( so i need to be able to continuously check the logs to "debug" to find where the problem is |
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| 19:27.49 | kaio | thanks tremon && multiHYP ! :) |
| 19:28.29 | multiHYP | Diopter: how can I detect the reason of slowness in the system? |
| 19:28.42 | multiHYP | top won't shed much light... |
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| 19:29.25 | Diopter | multiHYP: top is actually a fantastic tool if you know how to use it. But the first question is, what do you mean by slowness? |
| 19:29.33 | Diopter | What's slow? Slower than what? How are you measuring? |
| 19:29.35 | catphish | is anyone aware of a kernel bug that causes systems to slow to near-halt after almost exactly 200 days? |
| 19:29.55 | kaio | multiHYP: try also htop |
| 19:29.56 | multiHYP | Diopter: like ssh responses come way longer that usual. |
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| 19:30.07 | tralala | multiHYP, there are generally two reasons - CPU overload or disk overload |
| 19:30.12 | multiHYP | as if system is under large load/traffic. obviously bandwidth is no issue. |
| 19:30.14 | Diopter | multiHYP: Does load average rise during these slow SSH responses? |
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| 19:30.29 | multiHYP | barely checkable |
| 19:30.29 | Diopter | multiHYP: It wasn't obvious that bandwidth was no issue until you just claimed it. |
| 19:30.44 | multiHYP | as normal 'cd …' completion takes 5-10 sec. |
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| 19:31.12 | tralala | sounds like disk overload |
| 19:31.16 | multiHYP | yes, i know bandwidth is not the issue. well not on my side, maybe the cloud provider gets slow, no idea how to check that. |
| 19:31.24 | tremon | catphish: it can be, if your system was last booted around end october |
| 19:31.25 | multiHYP | but i doubt that bandwidth is the cause. |
| 19:31.27 | Diopter | multiHYP: Ok, great. And what does "uptime" show the load-average to be? |
| 19:31.48 | kaio | multiHYP: with "cd .." completion you mean in an sshfs mount ? |
| 19:32.08 | tralala | oh, if it's a cloud maybe it uses nfs disks - this could be another reason |
| 19:32.10 | multiHYP | 0.1 was max on all I have ever seen |
| 19:32.22 | catphish | tremon: this bug has crashed every server i've had after exactly every 200 days for the last 18 months or so |
| 19:32.24 | multiHYP | never that much even |
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| 19:32.38 | multiHYP | kaio: yes |
| 19:32.40 | tralala | multiHYP, is it slow now? |
| 19:32.46 | multiHYP | no |
| 19:32.54 | multiHYP | i rebooted maybe 2 days ago |
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| 19:33.00 | multiHYP | and 2 new deployments ever since. |
| 19:33.01 | kaio | multiHYP: if your provider doesnt provide you ipv6 try disabling ipv6 |
| 19:33.06 | tremon | catphish: no, nothing like that here |
| 19:33.18 | multiHYP | I notice after many deployments (jetty restarts) and long time this happens. |
| 19:33.30 | tralala | multiHYP, when it's slow does a reboot help? Does it get fast again on its own? |
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| 19:33.37 | multiHYP | yes |
| 19:33.50 | tralala | yes and? |
| 19:33.51 | catphish | i'm actually running ubuntu 12.04, but wondered if anyone was aware of the bug existing in debian |
| 19:33.55 | multiHYP | so I want to avoid that reboot, especially now that I have no worries regarding pids |
| 19:33.57 | tremon | multiHYP: does swapoff -a ; swapon -a solve the slowness? |
| 19:34.16 | multiHYP | what's that? |
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| 19:34.38 | catphish | it's very odd, after 200 days, servers are pingable but unresponsive to anything that requies a significant cpu cost |
| 19:34.40 | multiHYP | wouldn't that crash multiple processes I'm running? |
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| 19:34.56 | Diopter | multiHYP: Not unless they're using all your physical RAM |
| 19:34.57 | kaio | multiHYP: so check the services with rcconf , maybe there's something you'll want to disable |
| 19:34.59 | multiHYP | catphish: same issue! |
| 19:35.13 | multiHYP | yes they definitely pushing my 256mb of ram |
| 19:35.24 | kaio | multiHYP: disabling swap could be useful. just check that you have enough ram to host that data |
| 19:35.28 | catphish | multiHYP: after 200 days of uptime? |
| 19:35.32 | Diopter | multiHYP: What does "uptime" show the load average to be? |
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| 19:35.45 | multiHYP | jetty is 150-160mb ram on average. nginx and mongo are low, but mongo increases depending on load. |
| 19:35.49 | Diopter | catphish: No, they're just jumping on your description of behavior, not the uptime |
| 19:35.52 | multiHYP | catphish: even shorter |
| 19:35.57 | multiHYP | after 30 days perhaps. |
| 19:36.01 | catphish | multiHYP: then its not my bug |
| 19:36.01 | multiHYP | depending on usage. |
| 19:36.18 | djcb | shotwell aborts at startup (debian sid): ERROR:/tmp/buildd/shotwell-0.12.3/src/DirectoryMonitor.vala:511:directory_monitor_real_internal_notify_file_discovered: assertion failed: (updated) |
| 19:36.18 | djcb | zsh: abort shotwell |
| 19:36.24 | Diopter | multiHYP: What does "uptime" show the load average to be? |
| 19:36.32 | catphish | i've observed this at least 10 times in different servers, installed at different times, at various patch levels of ubuntu 10.04, all have crashed between 195 and 210 days of uptime |
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| 19:36.55 | tremon | catphish: ask a canonical employee? |
| 19:36.58 | multiHYP | Diopter: I said earlier, never higher than .1 for all 3. but right now things are good and uptime is: 20:31:52 up 20:53, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.05 |
| 19:37.03 | kaio | Diopter: uptime only shows the last510and 15 mins |
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| 19:37.31 | multiHYP | bug now server is kind of completely idle |
| 19:37.32 | catphish | tremon: i might try that, but without any logs it's going to be hard to trace to i was desperately seeking some anecdotal evidence |
| 19:37.36 | multiHYP | *but |
| 19:37.42 | catphish | *so |
| 19:37.57 | Diopter | kaio: I know. My goal was to see whether the load average was significant at the time they were ssh'ing and typing commands |
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| 19:38.31 | AeroNotix | I just want to add the wheezy repo to squeeze, how can I do that? I don't usually use debian so forgive me |
| 19:38.49 | AeroNotix | My VPS gives me squeeze but there are packages from wheezy I want |
| 19:38.50 | multiHYP | nah ssh and normal things are very minimal. the largest scariest thing i have experienced was jetty start and jetty restart, which after its done occupies 160mb of 256mb of my ram. |
| 19:39.15 | pparadis | AeroNotix: do not mix releases. |
| 19:39.17 | craigevil | AeroNotix, you don't mix releases unless you are trying to break your install |
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| 19:39.22 | multiHYP | AeroNotix: use it at your own risk, but add the repos to your lists. |
| 19:39.26 | tremon | !tell AeroNotix about backports |
| 19:39.30 | craigevil | AeroNotix, use backports |
| 19:39.36 | AeroNotix | backports is a package? |
| 19:39.43 | multiHYP | yes highly dangerous, flammable. |
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| 19:39.56 | pparadis | multiHYP: please don't encourage others to do that. |
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| 19:40.03 | multiHYP | no sorry :) |
| 19:40.08 | AeroNotix | I know what I am doing, jesus |
| 19:40.12 | craigevil | AeroNotix, backports is the repo for newer packages in Stable |
| 19:40.17 | pparadis | AeroNotix: no, you don't. |
| 19:40.17 | multiHYP | apparently not AeroNotix |
| 19:40.18 | AeroNotix | craigevil: thanks |
| 19:40.22 | AeroNotix | multiHYP: Like I said, I don't use debian |
| 19:40.24 | multiHYP | :D |
| 19:40.32 | multiHYP | wheezy, squeeze? |
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| 19:40.51 | AeroNotix | multiHYP: I think my version is "lame distro which is centuries out of date" |
| 19:40.54 | multiHYP | anyway. Diopter what is the course of action next time i see slowness? |
| 19:40.55 | AeroNotix | I kid, I kid |
| 19:41.12 | craigevil | !stable |
| 19:41.12 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 19:41.32 | multiHYP | uptime check, swapoff swapon (okay~~), what else? |
| 19:41.35 | themill | AeroNotix: what specific packages are you looking for here? |
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| 19:42.02 | multiHYP | AeroNotix might have a highly upgraded beyond bounds and leaps system. |
| 19:42.18 | AeroNotix | themill: I'm looking for golang-go |
| 19:42.22 | multiHYP | I personally like to clean install new releases, upgrading is not worth the hassle. |
| 19:42.23 | dokma|2 | rsync -az --del fails to sync ownership |
| 19:42.24 | tremon | multiHYP: if you have as little ram as you claimed, doing swapoff -a will almost certainly invoke the OOM killer |
| 19:42.39 | sweeper | AeroNotix: just change everything from squeeze to wheezy, then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, voila |
| 19:42.41 | multiHYP | tremon: whats that? |
| 19:42.54 | dokma | example: original: all files in / are owned by root:root |
| 19:43.01 | pparadis | sweeper: that's horrible advice. |
| 19:43.10 | dokma | in mirror some folders in / are not owned by root:root |
| 19:43.15 | pparadis | sweeper: he didn't say he wanted to upgrade the entire system to wheezy. |
| 19:43.23 | dokma | am I missing something obviouse? |
| 19:43.28 | themill | sweeper: please don't tell new users to start running pre-release software that has no security support |
| 19:43.29 | multiHYP | yeah horrible indeed. i experienced it myself from squeeze to wheezy just to have a look at gnome3 |
| 19:43.40 | Diopter | multiHYP: You need to check the load average, since you seem to think top is not indicating high CPU. |
| 19:43.44 | themill | dpkg: tell AeroNotix about ssb |
| 19:43.44 | multiHYP | and GUI never even started up after the 'successful' upgrade. |
| 19:43.46 | sweeper | it's the safest way to use wheezy packages |
| 19:43.55 | themill | sweeper: no. |
| 19:43.57 | pparadis | sweeper: did you read what themill just said? |
| 19:44.06 | sweeper | just did it on several servers, piece of cake |
| 19:44.13 | themill | AeroNotix: if you really want that package, then you would be best recompiling the package for squeeze |
| 19:44.14 | multiHYP | no I know top does that, but at that speed is useless. top is barely runnable when its really slow. |
| 19:44.15 | themill | !pal sweeper |
| 19:44.15 | dpkg | points at sweeper and laughs hysterically |
| 19:44.18 | Diopter | multiHYP: Your sources of slowness, mainly, can be: network, CPU, I/O or interrupts |
| 19:44.19 | craigevil | multiHYP, this isn;t #ubuntu a clean install is never needed, upgrading from one release to the next works just fine |
| 19:44.34 | pparadis | sweeper: you are dispending advice that is, quite frankly, shit. please stop. |
| 19:44.42 | pparadis | dispensing, even. |
| 19:44.53 | dokma | btw I am mirroring this as root so that preserving ownership should be possible |
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| 19:44.58 | multiHYP | craigevil: sure, if all are releases, mine had a beta (alpha-ish) wheezy at one end. |
| 19:45.05 | kaio | themill: what?? wheezy has nosecurity support? are you sure? |
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| 19:45.15 | tremon | kaio: yes |
| 19:45.32 | dvs | kaio: not yet |
| 19:45.45 | sweeper | 'support' doesn't mean what you think it means, kaio |
| 19:45.50 | multiHYP | well my wheezy is a test machine as its not released yet. |
| 19:45.51 | tremon | wheezy receive its updates through unstable, which means only in very exceptional cases can a bug in testing be fixed in less than 10 days |
| 19:45.53 | themill | kaio: not yet |
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| 19:46.20 | pkkm | Do you use apache, lighttpd, nginx, or some other server? |
| 19:46.28 | pparadis | sweeper: where are you getting your information? once again, you're talking about things you're demonstrating you have no understanding of. |
| 19:46.30 | dokma | root on both ends |
| 19:46.31 | sweeper | tremon: erm, you're forgetting security |
| 19:46.46 | themill | sweeper: wheezy-security is not yet used |
| 19:46.47 | tremon | sweeper: please listen to the other people in the channel |
| 19:46.54 | multiHYP | Diopter: I hope to catch extensive logs next time it happens. meanwhile I look into limiting jetty a bit, or somehow reducing its memory footprint (it's killing me). |
| 19:46.59 | sweeper | pparadis: kaio thinks that 'security support' means 'omg instahack' or something |
| 19:47.09 | sweeper | not 'slower patches' |
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| 19:47.14 | Diopter | multiHYP: How much physical RAM do you have on this machine? |
| 19:47.15 | multiHYP | thanks a bunch Diopter , kaio , tremon and pparadis :) |
| 19:47.20 | multiHYP | 256mb |
| 19:47.21 | sweeper | which is far different from 'no support' |
| 19:47.24 | multiHYP | and i run all that. |
| 19:47.26 | multiHYP | :D |
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| 19:47.51 | pparadis | sweeper: ...... i don't see that anywhere at all. also, you're the fellow who has apparently upgraded a bunch of production servers to a pre-release version debian, which is both hysterical and nuts. |
| 19:47.56 | multiHYP | i know its an overkill, but its very expensive as is. |
| 19:48.04 | pparadis | sweeper: good luck with that, but please stop advising others. |
| 19:48.06 | sweeper | pparadis: they're VM hosts :P |
| 19:48.12 | pparadis | sweeper: good luck with that, but please stop advising others. |
| 19:48.19 | themill | sweeper: ummm... that is what security support means. |
| 19:48.31 | Diopter | multiHYP: So you're probably just swap-deathing, by putting jetty into D-states, raising I/O wait and load average, since jetty is likely using more RAM than you have free |
| 19:48.32 | sweeper | themill: I didn't say it didn't meant that |
| 19:48.46 | sweeper | I asserted that kaio didn't know what you meant by it |
| 19:48.49 | Diopter | multiHYP: Which is going to make other processes wait for CPU time, slowing everything down |
| 19:48.57 | pparadis | sweeper: why are you still talking? you have no damned clue what you're talking about to begin with. |
| 19:49.08 | multiHYP | would it be better to kill jetty and start a new? |
| 19:49.17 | themill | sweeper: please (a) stop giving bad advice (b) stop pretending you know what you're talking about. |
| 19:49.48 | sweeper | themill: how does 'security support probably doesn't mean what you think it means' constitute bad advice? |
| 19:50.00 | pparadis | is he just a troll? |
| 19:50.01 | kaio | sweeper: i can see security repo in included in wheezy /etc/apt/source.list |
| 19:50.05 | sweeper | it's no even advice! |
| 19:50.08 | themill | kaio: there's nothing in there |
| 19:50.16 | themill | sweeper: please stop digging yourself a hole |
| 19:50.23 | Diopter | multiHYP: It'd be better to have enough RAM to run what you want to run |
| 19:50.47 | sweeper | themill: sorry bud, that's not advice, it's an assessment of reality. |
| 19:51.02 | sweeper | advice is 'do THIS' |
| 19:51.10 | themill | sweeper: it's an incorrect assessment and people are basing decisions on it |
| 19:51.14 | sweeper | 'the sky is blue' != advice |
| 19:51.30 | sweeper | I never said wheezy had security support, geez |
| 19:51.30 | themill | sweeper: and "you should upgrade to wheezy" is most definitely bad advice for a new user at this stage |
| 19:51.32 | pparadis | sweeper: just shut up. really, shut the hell up. |
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| 19:51.52 | themill | sweeper: this has gone on more than long enough... take a break from it and go read about the debian release cycle |
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| 19:52.57 | multiHYP | Diopter: it would be really expensive though. this runs great once its up and running, but problems arise if I demand more by deploying and updating things. |
| 19:53.27 | multiHYP | but yes you were definitely right about the IO demand and delayed CPU request. |
| 19:53.30 | Diopter | multiHYP: Maybe you're running into caching issues in the JVM |
| 19:53.48 | Diopter | multiHYP: Maybe you should fully kill jetty then start it again to 'reload' |
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| 19:54.04 | multiHYP | yes, that was my alternative question. |
| 19:54.22 | multiHYP | since if killed, its gotten rid of. |
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| 19:57.39 | kaio | themill: there is "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates ... etc etc" in /etc/apt/source.list on a wheezy installation |
| 19:57.53 | rexer | any help for hostapd? nl80211 driver initialization failed... |
| 19:58.10 | Diopter | kaio: I had the same misconception you do. Someone made me actually go to the repo and look in the directory for wheezy |
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| 19:58.38 | themill | kaio: sure, but you'll find precisely 1 package in that repo; it is only for amd64 and it is out of date. You may as well keep that line there as it does no harm, but you will not get packages from that repository until much closer to wheezy's release. |
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| 19:58.59 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 20:00.09 | themill | «select count(*) from sources where release='wheezy-security';» → 1 |
| 20:01.14 | tremon | themill: is that pseudocode or does a package exist that allow sql-like queries on the apt database? |
| 20:01.28 | tremon | a/allow/&s/ |
| 20:01.34 | themill | that's real SQL on UDD |
| 20:01.34 | tremon | s/allow/&s/ grr... |
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| 20:02.04 | tremon | thanks! is that available for mere mortals too? |
| 20:02.05 | themill | (using judd's database) |
| 20:02.23 | themill | not really |
| 20:02.29 | themill | !udd |
| 20:02.29 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 20:02.52 | rexer | im trying to setup a spare laptop to take snapshots of a building under constuction with a webcam every 30 minutes.. |
| 20:03.14 | tremon | themill: oh, I do know about udd, just wondered if the interface was available to non-dd's :) |
| 20:03.14 | Diopter | rexer: Cool. |
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| 20:04.44 | rexer | and with wireless card to use hostapd to allow a single user get the jpg files over wireless... thing is.. hostapd starts with nl80211 not found. nl80211 driver initialization failed. eth1: Unable to setup interface. |
| 20:05.04 | kaio | Diopter: themill: oh s**t ! i 've just checked the link and there's only inspircd package o.O so how can i do to fix security issues on my wheezy ? i *had* to install it because it's the only debian supporting heavy powersaving and nvidia optimus (via bumblebee) .. :( any advice? |
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| 20:06.25 | themill | kaio: security support for wheezy is via the normal wheezy updates mechanism. Packages will flow from unstable to testing to offer security updates or be uploaded to testing-proposed-updates (and soon wheezy/updates) |
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| 20:06.46 | Diopter | kaio: If you can't use stable, try backports. If you can't use backports, you'll have to try testing. If you have to use testing, the upshot of not getting *official* security updates is that regular package updates from upstream will generally carry security fixes if they are found and fixed. |
| 20:07.09 | Diopter | kaio: Once testing (Wheezy) gets released as the new stable, it will recieve official security updates |
| 20:07.50 | rexer | using stock Debian sqeeze with logitech C270 webcam. and Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 20:07.53 | kaio | ah ok, thanks Diopter themill :) |
| 20:08.15 | ompaul | kaio: also with testing expect to see breakages which will not be fixed that day - if you need to use the machine on a daily basis this does not always lead to happiness |
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| 20:09.03 | Diopter | Indeed. Though it is a lot more stable than unstable (go figure :P) |
| 20:09.30 | kaio | ompaul: yes, i know. that's the reason they call it "testing" , right? but sadly i *have* to use it :( |
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| 20:09.50 | ompaul | kaio: suggestion, use squeeze, build kvms test your updates |
| 20:10.14 | ompaul | kaio: at least in that way you always have the last man standing |
| 20:10.32 | sweeper | well, I've been using it on my main laptop for a couple months. had one sound driver issue, but there's a lot of stuff I use regularly that's not in squeeze |
| 20:10.51 | kaio | is there someone here that use bumblebee 3 on wheezy on an asus pc having crashes frequently like me? ( ~ 24h runtime before a crash ) |
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| 20:12.02 | sweeper | nah, don't think my gpu even does that |
| 20:12.33 | sweeper | do you get a kernel panic or what? |
| 20:13.47 | kaio | sweeper: it freezes, sometime i cant know what happend because there's no trace in syslog . sometimes it is a "protection fault ... SMP" "CPU 0" |
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| 20:14.17 | kaio | wait , i do a pastie |
| 20:14.42 | rexer | my setup includes 8gig CF-IDE adapter to boot.. where 3gig boot 512swap and 3.5 gig fs to store timelapse pictures. |
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| 20:16.33 | rexer | i have fswebcam running in cronjob and samba to share the files... but hostapd just doenst seem to work right... |
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| 20:16.51 | kaio | sweeper: http://pastebin.com/YZ0eumnv |
| 20:17.08 | rexer | using hostapd ver 1:0.6.10-2 |
| 20:17.31 | rexer | wireless shows up as eth1 and iwconfig eth1 works... |
| 20:17.39 | sweeper | the traceback will hopefully point to a kernel module or someting. OCFS2 was doing that to me last night (which is why my servers run wheezy now, squeeze's packages are really really old) |
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| 20:18.40 | sweeper | kaio: that looks like your filesystem/disks are the issue |
| 20:18.55 | kaio | sweeper: what made you think that? |
| 20:19.20 | kaio | hd is new (just upgraded to an ssd disk) |
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| 20:19.35 | sweeper | well maybe weird acpi things are affecting your disk and other things |
| 20:19.47 | kaio | i also updated the ram from 4 to 8 gb and i tested it with memtest, it's ok |
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| 20:20.02 | sweeper | well there are a bunch of traces from ext3, kjournal, etc |
| 20:20.16 | sweeper | but you're also getting some when the CPU idles |
| 20:20.18 | Diopter | rexer: host mode isn't supported by most wireless drivers/devices |
| 20:20.28 | Diopter | rexer: What makes you think your device supports host mode? |
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| 20:21.43 | kaio | sweeper: that was the first time i had kjournald in the backtrace, maybe because i was downloading many files via irssi. usually it was Xorg instead. that's why i stopped using startx . Now i use xinit and sometimes "optirun xinit" |
| 20:22.11 | rexer | Diopter: Intel 2200BG internal pci card. |
| 20:22.28 | sweeper | well you shouldn't be getting those, regardless of what the userland stuff is doing |
| 20:22.40 | kaio | sweeper: could it be possible that the problem resides in BIOS misconfiguration? i merely changed the old disk with an ssd one without touching anything in the bios |
| 20:22.44 | sweeper | more likely, it's I/O period that is causing it |
| 20:23.23 | kaio | sweeper: what would you do if you were me ? |
| 20:23.27 | sweeper | I doubt it's the BIOS. that cpu idle stuff really makes me lean towards acpi/acpi-related things |
| 20:23.57 | kaio | sweeper: apt-get purge acpi and then reinstall acpi ? |
| 20:23.57 | sweeper | well I don't want to get muted. however, I would check out how far ahead wheezy's asus_laptop package is |
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| 20:24.30 | sweeper | unless you've been messing with your acpi config, I doubt just reinstalling it will help |
| 20:24.40 | EvOox- | hi guys |
| 20:24.42 | sweeper | there may be a specific version minimum for your hardware |
| 20:24.46 | kaio | what do you mean? maybe that asus_laptop is too new for my pc ? but i bought it in 2010 |
| 20:24.49 | kaio | o.O |
| 20:25.12 | sweeper | no, too old |
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| 20:26.31 | sweeper | you may benefit from a newer version |
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| 20:26.54 | tidux | I'm having a problem with Wheezy on PowerPC, Window Maker, and menus |
| 20:27.02 | kaio | sweeper: reinstall wont help , i had these issue also with squeeze and previous wheezy installations . It all started after the ram + ssd-disk upgrade. before that it worked fine (but without using the nvidia optimus card) . I never *never* had a kernel panic in the last 10 years, i only heard about it. But in the last 3 months i have one a day :( |
| 20:27.06 | tidux | specifically, the Debian menu tool doesn't seem to work with wmaker |
| 20:27.24 | tidux | there's a file in /usr/share/menu/wmaker that describes the menu setup for Window Maker |
| 20:27.38 | tidux | but running "update-menus" as root, my normal user, or sudo has no effect |
| 20:27.50 | tidux | how do I un-fuck this? |
| 20:28.42 | sweeper | kaio: well, try disabling all the acpi stuff in your bios. you'll be pretty crippled in terms of scaling and stuff, but worth a shot |
| 20:29.03 | tidux | the permissions for /usr/share/menu/wmaker are fine |
| 20:29.03 | sweeper | if it improves matters, at least you'll have somewhere to work from |
| 20:29.24 | kaio | sweeper: i couldnt be too old. it is the one that comes with wheezy. acpi-support and -support-base : 0.140-4 , acpid: 1:2.0.16-1 |
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| 20:30.12 | kaio | sweeper: but if i disable acpi nvidia will no longer work (bumblebee use acpi to work) |
| 20:31.23 | sweeper | well try turning bumblebee off, see if your panics go away, and go from there |
| 20:32.03 | tidux | ok, so the problem appears to be in /etc/menu-methods/wmaker |
| 20:32.09 | tidux | nobody set it executable in the package |
| 20:32.16 | kaio | ok, how can i disable acpi? will it be enough to disable via rcconf ? like disabling acpi-fakekey, acpi-support and acpid daemons autoboot ? (and bumblebee, of course) |
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| 20:32.44 | sweeper | well one thing at a time |
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| 20:33.09 | sweeper | if you change lots of things at a time, you'll never figure out what's actually causing it :P |
| 20:33.26 | kaio | sweeper: "try disabling all the acpi stuff in your *bios*" bios? did you mean cmdline in grub config instead of bios? |
| 20:33.33 | sweeper | no I meant bios |
| 20:33.57 | kaio | ah, ok . thanks . i try it now ;-) |
| 20:33.59 | sweeper | a lot of time OEMs put strange things in there |
| 20:35.04 | sweeper | also probably the easiest thing to fix if you screw it up :) low-hanging fruit ftw |
| 20:36.08 | kaio | sweeper: yes, i know. I have a setting in the bios that let me choose if between nvidia or intel graphic card. I tried a bios upgrade and that choice went away (those suc**rs @ ASUS deleted that choice in that bios upgrade) so i downgraded again to the previous version .. |
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| 20:37.18 | kaio | ok, i go . i'll try disabling acpi. i'll let you know :) see you later |
| 20:37.33 | tidux | ok, so the problem was twofold |
| 20:37.48 | tidux | 1. /etc/menu-methods/wmaker wasn't set executable by the package build process |
| 20:38.14 | tidux | 2. the Window Maker package looks for the Debian menu in /etc/X11 instead of $HOME/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker |
| 20:38.21 | tidux | both of those are fixed |
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| 20:47.48 | kaio | sweeper: ok, i'm back. for now it seems to be all ok. if you will be here i'll let you know in ~24h if i have another crash :) bye, and thanks for the advice |
| 20:48.07 | kaio | is crossing fingers XD |
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| 20:54.44 | tharkun | When did the RFC become a standard? IIRC they were Request For Coment Documents. Something you used to exchange to enrich ideas. :( |
| 20:55.07 | siyb | does anyone know if 3.2.0-2-686-pae is affected by the recent mdadm metadata delete bug? |
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| 21:05.28 | ompaul | tharkun: they keep their name and number after a while they get accepted as standard |
| 21:05.37 | ompaul | tharkun: iirc been a while |
| 21:06.35 | tharkun | ompaul: So it seems I'm reading stuff from the early 90's seems it started around there |
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| 21:06.55 | ompaul | tharkun: what started? |
| 21:08.32 | ompaul | tharkun: being unsure ... http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1.txt |
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| 21:11.41 | tharkun | ompaul: /ignore tharkun It seems I'm spitting lots of crap at this moment. Got severely confused with the dates |
| 21:12.24 | ompaul | tharkun: na, it's too much fun being a polemic :-) |
| 21:12.40 | ompaul | !coffee tharkun |
| 21:12.40 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for tharkun, courtesy of ompaul |
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| 21:21.26 | tremon | is apt-mark not yet multiarch-aware? |
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| 21:42.06 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 21:51.35 | whysoserious | Nijm you have same internet provider as me ;) |
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| 21:52.38 | Sebboh | Is generally possible to change the console size/font/resolution at runtime? |
| 21:53.58 | alexinspir | http://www.alexxoid.com/blog/linux/how-to-setup-console-font-in-debian.html |
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| 21:56.38 | alexinspir | it helps? |
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| 21:57.45 | Sebboh | It does. Well, maybe. This monitor doesn't support the current console resolution, so, this might take a minute. |
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| 21:58.27 | alexinspir | you trying to install debian? |
| 21:58.58 | Sebboh | FYI, I'm a long time Debian user on a friend's PC... where I installed Ubuntu for her a little while ago. *sigh* Am I trying to install Debian? Heh.. What made you ask that? |
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| 21:59.55 | linduxed | ok i need some help here |
| 22:00.02 | linduxed | because i'm really confused |
| 22:00.05 | Sebboh | setupcon is indeed the tool I was looking for. It's just not working well when I can't see the console. ;) But the config files + restart should do the trick. Thanks again. |
| 22:00.36 | linduxed | i'm in some house way away from home, i hooked my laptop to the home WiFi |
| 22:00.42 | linduxed | i can connect to my server |
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| 22:00.51 | linduxed | no problem (which is why i'm typing this) |
| 22:01.02 | linduxed | but nothing else is available |
| 22:01.18 | kevlarman | linduxed: does dns work? |
| 22:01.19 | linduxed | my guess is that the DNS servers are completely messed up or something |
| 22:01.23 | Sebboh | linduxed, it's easier to read and understand your messages if they all appear on one line. |
| 22:01.27 | linduxed | kevlarman: how would i check? |
| 22:01.32 | kevlarman | nslookup |
| 22:01.33 | linduxed | Sebboh: oh ok, sorry |
| 22:01.41 | linduxed | kevlarman: just that command and nothing else? |
| 22:01.53 | kevlarman | linduxed: nslookup google.com or something |
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| 22:02.19 | linduxed | kevlarman: timeout |
| 22:03.08 | alexinspir | sebboh, some monitors does not support screen resolution in a graphical installation |
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| 22:06.08 | Sebboh | Tragically, it seems that console-setup doesn't alter resolution, only fonts (and charsets, and keyboard stuff). |
| 22:07.28 | Sebboh | I suspect that it might not be possible to change the resolution of the console at runtime. I'm also fairly surprised that nobody has asked me if I'm using a framebuffer console, and none of the documents that I've found online address that question, and frankly, I'm not sure if I am or not. |
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| 22:12.51 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 22:14.15 | sh4ring4n | In linux, can programs be executed with a double click? |
| 22:14.28 | n-iCe | with one :) |
| 22:14.34 | sh4ring4n | cli programs |
| 22:14.36 | n-iCe | or with the sight |
| 22:14.40 | sh4ring4n | ones that you make yourself |
| 22:14.42 | sh4ring4n | and compiled |
| 22:14.46 | sh4ring4n | in C |
| 22:14.51 | n-iCe | sure I don't see why not |
| 22:14.57 | sh4ring4n | thx |
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| 22:18.18 | linduxed | sh4ring4n: if it's a working program and you've done the necessary "chmod +x" then it should work like everything else |
| 22:18.34 | sh4ring4n | chmod +x? |
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| 22:23.36 | kaio | Sebboh: try hwinfo, likely "hwinfo --framebuffer" then choose the resolution you want. then edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg adding "vga=0xNUM" in the linux line. (NUM is a num you find thanks to hwinfo) |
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| 22:25.14 | kaio | linduxed: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:25.43 | linduxed | kaio: yeah i already fixed it by changing that file |
| 22:25.49 | linduxed | kaio: thx :-) |
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| 22:27.53 | Sebboh | ooh, thanks, kaio! I was hoping to avoid the reboot, but apparently the linux framebuffer doesn't support that. |
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| 22:30.18 | jhutchins | If I run something as sudo, can it connect to my remote display? |
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| 22:30.43 | jhutchins | run gparted on a remote box using sudo, display locally as regular user. |
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| 22:31.48 | jhutchins | Ah, kdesu, nevermind. |
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| 22:42.05 | kaio | Sebboh: you can also try fbterm. it allows you to choose the resolution, it has a config file in your home directory. you don't need to reboot to change it |
| 22:42.49 | linduxed | whoops... |
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| 22:52.04 | Sebboh | cool, I'll check it out. Thanks again, kaio. |
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| 23:04.40 | aseado83 | hi |
| 23:04.57 | aseado83 | anyone? |
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| 23:05.30 | sweeper | ? |
| 23:05.53 | aseado83 | http://pastebin.com/eUK8W4aK i have this error an notlogon with user, i actually logged with root |
| 23:06.01 | aseado83 | i need solve urgent this problem |
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| 23:06.43 | aseado83 | how to solve this http://pastebin.com/eUK8W4aK please |
| 23:06.50 | pparadis | aseado83: can you please give us more information on what version of debian you're running, how things were set up before, what you changed, etc? |
| 23:07.00 | aseado83 | Debian wheezy |
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| 23:07.05 | pparadis | aseado83: also, please keep in mind that the people here helping you are volunteers. |
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| 23:09.40 | aseado83 | I used aptitude upgrade, when I had problems with vidalia, exetuei it as root. |
| 23:10.38 | aseado83 | Now when I start the session and use startx bash does not respond. |
| 23:10.54 | aseado83 | GDM i have this error http://pastebin.com/eUK8W4aK |
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| 23:11.39 | aseado83 | now I'm in as root, using irc online, i need solve problem urgent |
| 23:12.33 | pparadis | !tell aseado83 about testing |
| 23:13.49 | pparadis | aseado83: i've got no clue what happened there. without more information about your config (or possibly even with it) it will be difficult to even begin to help you. that said, you might inquire in #debian-next |
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| 23:15.29 | aseado83 | The best format will be, unfortunately .. |
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| 23:16.04 | nsadmin | aseado83, echo ". $(which id) $(ls -l $(which ld))" |
| 23:17.33 | kaio | aseado83: try "adduser youruser video" (replace youruser with yours) as root. maybe that "id" problem happens because your user is not in the video group |
| 23:18.07 | nsadmin | kaio, trying to find out why trying to run id throws the perm err |
| 23:18.19 | aseado83 | . /usr/bin/id lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Mai 23 09:45 /usr/bin/ld -> ld.bfd |
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| 23:18.54 | nsadmin | aseado83, thanks. now, ls -l /usr/bin/ld.bfd |
| 23:18.55 | kaio | aseado83: also check /etc/profile maybe you changed the file in a way that it's no longer parsable (i read you log says "4: [: Illegal number:" ) |
| 23:19.06 | nsadmin | sorry, that one's wrong... |
| 23:19.08 | themill | nsadmin: check your typo |
| 23:19.16 | nsadmin | aseado83, thanks. now, ls -l /usr/bin/id.bfd |
| 23:19.26 | nsadmin | got it, thanks |
| 23:19.33 | themill | still wrong, actually |
| 23:19.41 | aseado83 | ls: impossível acessar /usr/bin/id.bfd: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado |
| 23:20.02 | nsadmin | something else is wrong too |
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| 23:20.06 | kaio | nsadmin: the line you entered gives "bash: .: /usr/bin/id: cannot execute binary file" to me |
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| 23:21.23 | themill | aseado83: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/id" say? and can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy coreutils" |
| 23:21.24 | nsadmin | themill, the erroring one is id, right? |
| 23:21.38 | themill | nsadmin: check the original command you gave [00:16] <nsadmin> aseado83, echo ". $(which id) $(ls -l $(which ld))" |
| 23:21.49 | nsadmin | ohhh |
| 23:22.02 | nsadmin | slaps themill's forehead |
| 23:22.08 | nsadmin | thanks you |
| 23:22.36 | kaio | nsadmin: i see that /usr/bin has a .bfd files but it is *ld* instead of id. maybe it's that the typo ? |
| 23:22.53 | nsadmin | yes, so I see |
| 23:22.57 | nsadmin | finally |
| 23:23.14 | nsadmin | themill already corrected it |
| 23:24.24 | aseado83 | http://pastebin.com/YzzX0Tmn |
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| 23:25.02 | aseado83 | is this http://pastebin.com/YzzX0Tmn |
| 23:25.54 | aseado83 | themill and anyone? |
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| 23:26.56 | nsadmin | almost... could you pastebin "LANG=C apt-cache policy" |
| 23:27.10 | themill | aseado83: what does "md5sum /usr/bin/id" output? |
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| 23:27.46 | aseado83 | is this: fbee38cdf06d0eb5b08fede974a6766f /usr/bin/id |
| 23:27.57 | themill | looks fine |
| 23:29.04 | nsadmin | could you pastebin... ls -ld / /bin /usr /usr/bin |
| 23:29.20 | themill | aseado83: the output of "mount" would be interesting to see too |
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| 23:31.05 | nsadmin | I pretty much expect the dirs to be ok |
| 23:31.18 | nsadmin | if not there woudl be a lot more problems |
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| 23:32.54 | kaio | hey i use wheezy too and i have another sha1sum for that file o.O |
| 23:33.12 | nsadmin | he posted an md5sum |
| 23:33.23 | nsadmin | so yes they will be different |
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| 23:34.09 | kaio | (ah, sorry maybe it's because of the arch. md5sum is also different) |
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| 23:34.27 | nsadmin | oh, what's your arch? |
| 23:34.30 | nsadmin | kaio |
| 23:34.37 | kaio | nsadmin: amd64 |
| 23:34.48 | aseado83 | nsadmin http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eSdBUNRG |
| 23:34.48 | kaio | maybe he has x86 |
| 23:34.49 | nsadmin | mine too and I run squeeze |
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| 23:35.14 | nsadmin | bingo |
| 23:35.23 | phox | hi. uh, what's up with sshd on debian NOT allowing login when a shutdown is PENDING? |
| 23:35.31 | aseado83 | The probem is here? |
| 23:35.35 | kaio | nsadmin: i run wheezy and f8246ce9c1f6a0c08f373d971ce792e6 is my md5sum for that file. also the file is dated "May 2 " |
| 23:35.35 | nsadmin | chmod 755 /usr/bin |
| 23:36.04 | phox | that's a) the most monstrously stupid thing I've seen in a while and b) not exactly documented anywhere |
| 23:36.08 | aseado83 | chmod 755 /usr/bin for me? |
| 23:36.12 | nsadmin | aseado83, yep, you should be ok now |
| 23:36.19 | nsadmin | aseado83, yes |
| 23:36.35 | aseado83 | I run |
| 23:36.43 | aseado83 | Now, its solve this? |
| 23:36.43 | nsadmin | then try: id |
| 23:36.53 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 23:37.02 | aseado83 | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) grupos=0(root) |
| 23:37.09 | nsadmin | it works :) |
| 23:37.34 | phox | anyone? =/ |
| 23:37.45 | aseado83 | Then I just restart the bash problem will be solved? |
| 23:37.58 | nsadmin | no, it should be already solved |
| 23:38.06 | nsadmin | no reboot needed |
| 23:38.20 | kaio | phox: strange things lately with sshd. i found myself disconnected sometimes while copying files via sshfs. the connection drops 'cause of "software error" o.O and i am half meter from the server (wired connection) |
| 23:38.21 | aseado83 | ok, i go try |
| 23:38.25 | nsadmin | on second thought... |
| 23:38.33 | nsadmin | when did you last reboot |
| 23:38.35 | nsadmin | ? |
| 23:39.04 | aseado83 | now |
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| 23:39.24 | nsadmin | hmm. so you're rebooting now? |
| 23:39.38 | aseado83 | I need to reboot to try to get as User. |
| 23:39.47 | aseado83 | I actually conect with root |
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| 23:40.09 | aseado83 | because user have a problem |
| 23:40.12 | nsadmin | ok, so here's what I was thinking... if the problem existed when you last rebooted, the boot didn't go well and so a reboot would be good in ahtat case |
| 23:40.55 | nsadmin | let us know if it works |
| 23:40.56 | phox | kaio: unrelated. this is it intentionally kicking me off when there is only a few minutes left before a pending shutdown. |
| 23:41.25 | phox | kaio: if you're hitting that you could try disabling hardware TSO and various other hardware offloading e.g. checksum/etc. |
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| 23:41.54 | kaio | nsadmin: chmod 755 change nothing as root . /usr/bin is owned by root and it had drwx for owner. he needs to "su user" and test id from there |
| 23:42.20 | nsadmin | kaio, good point |
| 23:42.40 | nsadmin | and it's also why users couldn't work before |
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| 23:44.48 | kaio | phox: yes. the only relation i noticed was about strange things with sshd. regarding the checksums etc i dont use them. I simply mounted via sshfs and was copying big files, i had strangely low speed ( < 6mB ) and then the conn. drops |
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| 23:45.41 | kaio | maybe the problem is some kind of strange sw update recently that broked sshd |
| 23:46.11 | blackshirt | what exactly log says? |
| 23:47.18 | zro | if I want a handful of users to be able to do stuff in /var/www/ I can just add a new group (say webuser), add the users to the group, then change the group of /var/www/ and chmod g+w /var/www, right? Thats the right way to do that? |
| 23:49.05 | kaio | zro: seems right to me. (but i dont do www stuff ... ) |
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| 23:49.10 | blackshirt | that should enought..but if you want more you can use acl for better access control |
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| 23:50.42 | zro | ok, but here, if I do that, and say users bob and joe are 2 users I make, and add them both to webuser group and change group of /var/www, then when bob uploads a new file, it'll have owner:group bob:bob, right? will joe still be able to edit the file if /var/www has group writable permissions? |
| 23:53.19 | nsadmin | you could try adding the setgid bit to /var/www |
| 23:56.03 | kaio | zro: you can tell bob to do "chown bob:webusers file" |
| 23:56.18 | nsadmin | bob cannot chown |
| 23:56.30 | nsadmin | unless bob can su |
| 23:56.35 | kaio | nsadmin: why not ? bob is in the webusers group |
| 23:56.46 | nsadmin | chown is root only |
| 23:57.07 | zro | also, "tell the user to...." sounds like problems |
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| 23:58.09 | nsadmin | chgrp should also be for similar reasons |
| 23:58.20 | kaio | nsadmin: i just did "touch 0" "ls -lih 0" and i see the file is user:user. so i did "chown user:adm 0 " and now 0 is "user:adm" so it works and i did it via an user that has name "user" and is part of the group "adm" |
| 23:59.03 | nsadmin | is user in adm? |
| 23:59.15 | nsadmin | oh, so yes |
| 23:59.40 | kaio | zro: "chgrp -R webusers /var/www" this way you do it also for all subdirs. you could maybe use a cron job to do that each hour or each tot mins .... |
