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| 00:00.23 | nsadmin | marsfligth, what are you interested in doing to shadow? |
| 00:00.32 | kevlarman | marsfligth: shadow should contain hashes, not passwords |
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| 00:00.47 | phogg | nsadmin: it was my suggestion as a last resort when resetting the password was not working for him |
| 00:01.04 | phogg | marsfligth: the password is not stored unencrypted. |
| 00:01.09 | adam_ | marsfligth, did you try as root "passd username" ? |
| 00:01.25 | marsfligth | phogg: passwd in live cd work only on live cd kernel. Maybe I'd try 'chroot' but I hav to study it a bit before to make oters disaters ;) |
| 00:01.26 | adam_ | passwd* |
| 00:01.45 | kevlarman | (preferably slow hashes, md5/sha1 are easily broken up to about 50 bits of entropy on $500 of graphics card) |
| 00:02.00 | adam_ | marsfligth, me or phogg ? |
| 00:02.21 | marsfligth | both |
| 00:02.23 | phogg | marsfligth: yes, that's what I was meaning. You would have to chroot from the livecd for it to work the way you want. |
| 00:02.27 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:02.50 | nsadmin | phogg, thanks for letting me know |
| 00:03.00 | kevlarman | phogg: you still need the pam of the installed OS, not live cd |
| 00:03.04 | kevlarman | i think |
| 00:03.30 | phogg | kevlarman: pretty sure chroot is enough to get what you need, but I have not done it in a while |
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| 00:03.53 | marsfligth | Assuming that I know the right password, If I convert It in AES? Should it work? |
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| 00:05.04 | kevlarman | marsfligth: um what? |
| 00:05.14 | kevlarman | marsfligth: what does aes have to do with passwords? |
| 00:05.43 | nsadmin | if you know the right password, you could simply restore everything and log in |
| 00:05.58 | adam_ | marsfligth, i'm not expert about the shadow file but it is one of the most secure file on a linux box and editing your password directly inside it is impossible i think |
| 00:08.18 | nsadmin | if you want to set it to a passwd you had before (because you want the others using it to not have to change), clear the passwd field so it's just ::, then restore everything, log in and change the password to what you want (other than blanking, you don't need to edit shadow) |
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| 00:10.11 | phogg | marsfligth: don't try anything fancy. You don't want to make it worse. Just put in a known password hash or nothing, as nsadmin recommends, and change your password normally after logging in with that. |
| 00:10.54 | marsfligth | nsadmin: Sorry, what you mean for ''clear the passwd field ''? Where is the field? |
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| 00:13.20 | marsfligth | So, I'd to clear the line of my account name into shadow file? |
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| 00:14.15 | abdelkhalak | I'd like to thank the Debian community for help and support. Because of them I finally could use my integrated intel i925 video card with squeeze |
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| 00:18.21 | marsfligth | Anyway, I'll make few /etc/ backup, then I'll try to work on shadow file or by a live cd using 'chroot'. Thanks for help me. Have a good time |
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| 00:29.09 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, I'm not sure what you are asking here.... [ -d /var/usr/share/doc ] && echo yes but when I run that command I do get returned "yes" |
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| 00:29.44 | adam_ | nsadmin, i did it !! |
| 00:29.52 | adam_ | nsadmin, compilation succeed no error |
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| 00:34.09 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but all the links in question are "relative links" |
| 00:34.16 | Volkswagner | example; lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jul 4 15:34 /usr/share/doc/libgcc1 -> gcc-4.4-base |
| 00:34.18 | pparadis | eliasp: heh, that does make sense (sshd version). last i checked wheezy will support ecc keys, however. |
| 00:34.31 | pparadis | alexandros: sorry, i didn't even think about that before. |
| 00:34.38 | pparadis | eliasp: rather ^ |
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| 00:38.49 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, ok, then to make the copy you do this... |
| 00:39.58 | nsadmin | (cd /usr/share/doc ; tar cfp - .) | (cd /var/usr/share/doc; tar xfp -) |
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| 00:40.01 | nsadmin | as root |
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| 00:46.54 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, I get the same result from your commnd there are no symlinks in the destination. directory grows from 44M to 51M with no symlinks |
| 00:47.20 | karlpinc | nsadmin: If you want to be pretty: tar -C /usr/share/doc -cf - | tar -C /var/usr/share/doc -xpf - |
| 00:47.20 | Volkswagner | [ -d /var/usr/share/doc ] && echo yes also returns yes |
| 00:47.58 | karlpinc | nsadmin: (oops. left off the . ) |
| 00:48.13 | Volkswagner | I just don't know how to preserver the links. there is no need to expand them, since they are in the same directory getting archived |
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| 00:48.44 | Volkswagner | s/ preserve |
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| 00:51.08 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, perhaps rsync would be better here? |
| 00:52.09 | gotmynick | what is the purpose ? rsync better than? tar ? |
| 00:52.14 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, it didn;'t copy the symlinks? the -p is like 3 or 4 things, involving preserving permissions, datestamps and users |
| 00:52.22 | nsadmin | it might be more |
| 00:52.41 | Volkswagner | the destination had no symlinks only directories |
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| 00:54.42 | nsadmin | you want to make sure -h is off at least |
| 00:55.07 | Volkswagner | nsadmin... hold the phone |
| 00:56.56 | Volkswagner | symlinks are there, I did not see them as they were all pushed to the top of the list. Oddly what throws me off is the archive is larger 44M vs. 51M |
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| 00:58.23 | Volkswagner | perhaps the extraction is recursively extracting some files in sub directories??? Both file systems are ext3 so I don't think the larger size is due to mismatch filesystem |
| 00:59.00 | nsadmin | you could cd to each place, and do ls -lR > ~/list1.txt |
| 00:59.09 | nsadmin | and list2.txt for the other, and run a diff |
| 01:00.10 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: You're looking at fs size? That depends on how big the blocks are and how much unused space each file might have left in it's last block. |
| 01:01.13 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: And how directories are structured, etc, etc. You might have a different block size in each fs and so leftover space matters more with smaller files. |
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| 01:02.31 | Volkswagner | karlpinc, yes I'm using du command... |
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| 01:03.08 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, show the du command you're using |
| 01:03.49 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Dosen't really matter. du looks at allocated disk blocks, whereas ls looks at file content size. |
| 01:04.10 | nsadmin | oh it does? hmm, didn't know that |
| 01:05.15 | nsadmin | so du tells you what's actually taken on the disk |
| 01:05.23 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Files are made of blocks on disk. Whole blocks (fs depending of crouse). So a 1 byte file uses as many blocks as a 100 byte file. (Assuming block size of 512b or 4kb.) |
| 01:05.40 | Volkswagner | karlpinc, thanks for the insight I believe I'm looking for a problem that does not exist! |
| 01:05.50 | nsadmin | yes that part I understand |
| 01:06.34 | karlpinc | You can tell what any file takes on disk (directory entry excepted) by rounding the filesize reported by ls up to the fs block size. |
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| 01:08.03 | Volkswagner | karlpinc nsadmin, although both disks were formatted during the install to ext3 with noatime, /var is a compact flash disk, and / is flash on chip module |
| 01:08.50 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: cf is likely to have a 512b block, whereas iirc flash is usually 4kb. I could be wrong. |
| 01:09.20 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: It probably depends entirely on the flash and I'm not really up on it. |
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| 01:10.49 | cedr | Whats the best way to have centrailzed logins/profile folders with debian? |
| 01:11.02 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: Regardless, the fs block size is set when the fs is created and can be changed to adjust for underlying media. So you can have the fs have 4kb blocks on a device with 512b blocks. (The reverse as well, but that would be bad for performance.) |
| 01:11.19 | karlpinc | cedr: Network wide? |
| 01:11.37 | cedr | yep |
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| 01:11.57 | karlpinc | cedr: Unix only or MS also? |
| 01:12.00 | cedr | kinda like active directoru and profile redirection |
| 01:12.22 | cedr | linux only |
| 01:12.34 | cedr | windows there really a solution |
| 01:12.53 | cedr | unless you go full blown server 200x, if i remember correctly |
| 01:12.59 | karlpinc | cedr: I'm not up on the MS "profile", mostly you don't give user's permission to install system wide software in linux so there's a lot that's a non-issue. |
| 01:13.16 | karlpinc | cedr: Probably nfs and ldap is the way to go. |
| 01:13.17 | Volkswagner | karlpinc nsadmin... ls -alt /usr/share/doc shows all directories at 1024bytes and ls -alt /var/usr/share/doc shows all directories at 4096bytes :( |
| 01:13.18 | cedr | by profile i mean homrdit |
| 01:13.21 | cedr | my bad |
| 01:13.27 | cedr | homedir* |
| 01:13.32 | Volkswagner | thanks for setting me straight |
| 01:13.34 | karlpinc | cedr: You use autofs to do the homedir mounting. |
| 01:14.05 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, there's no R in there :) |
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| 01:14.06 | cedr | ah |
| 01:14.17 | cedr | with a login script or someyhing? |
| 01:14.19 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, do these: |
| 01:14.31 | karlpinc | cedr: However, I can't tell you of a good choice for maintaining the ldap authentication db. I know that there's been a number of them, RH open sourced at least one. |
| 01:14.58 | karlpinc | cedr: You just setup autofs. It automounts on any request, so a login is a request. |
| 01:15.02 | cedr | nods |
| 01:15.17 | cedr | thanks |
| 01:15.55 | nsadmin | err, scratch... so your two filesystems are different |
| 01:16.00 | karlpinc | cedr: You could look at <debtags> to see your choices. Or ask here during US business hours when there's often some experts. (Or just ask again later. -- re what to use to mainatin the ldap db.) |
| 01:16.19 | karlpinc | cedr: You'd use pamldap to authenticate the logins. |
| 01:16.58 | karlpinc | cedr: nis is legacy, and an unhappy choice. |
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| 01:17.28 | karlpinc | cedr: You can use kerberos as well, but it's trickyer and well, that's what ldap is for. |
| 01:17.49 | fwisses | Hey guys, I couldn't find any configuration info on configuring iwlwii |
| 01:17.53 | fwisses | *iwlwifi |
| 01:18.34 | fwisses | how do I configure it? The power settings have made it so it picks up my weak wifi less consistently. |
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| 01:21.28 | fwisses | Hello? |
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| 01:25.43 | gotmynick | lol, iwlwifi is a firmware package |
| 01:26.08 | nsadmin | you could have said something :P |
| 01:26.24 | gotmynick | just switching channels... |
| 01:26.45 | gotmynick | configuration of pwer settings if possible should be done on the driver options |
| 01:26.52 | nsadmin | right |
| 01:27.01 | Volkswagner | nsadmin karlpinc thanks again! |
| 01:27.04 | nsadmin | I was going to say something along those lines |
| 01:27.15 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, welcome, everything good? |
| 01:28.45 | nsadmin | , info iwlwifi |
| 01:28.46 | judd | No package named 'iwlwifi' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 01:28.58 | Volkswagner | yeah, just a mismatch in block size it seems. The CF is just not as efficient of a block device |
| 01:29.24 | nsadmin | the cf is a block device :) |
| 01:30.47 | gotmynick | the last motherboard I managed with a cf device, had an option to present it as an ide device (years ago) |
| 01:31.00 | gotmynick | and... it's firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:31.17 | gotmynick | at least in wheezy |
| 01:31.33 | gotmynick | , info firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:31.35 | judd | Package firmware-iwlwifi (non-free/kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards. Version: 0.28+squeeze1; Size: 2025.2k; Installed: 4320k; Homepage: http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=downloads |
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| 01:32.31 | gotmynick | once upon a time where 3945 needed firmware _and_ a user space daemon |
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| 01:32.36 | Volkswagner | although fdisk reports both devices have minimum I/O 512bytes and sector size of 512bytes |
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| 01:33.11 | gotmynick | Volkswagner, which fs are you using on it ? |
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| 01:33.30 | Volkswagner | gotmynick, I'll check the BIOS, both disks are ext3 |
| 01:34.04 | gotmynick | maybe ext2 without journal could work too |
| 01:34.30 | gotmynick | (if I've understand right, cf as compact flash) |
| 01:34.51 | Volkswagner | The internal is only 512MB making it a chore to get a robust system on :) |
| 01:35.28 | Volkswagner | other folks with this WebDT device suggest reiserfs for more efficient use with small files??? |
| 01:36.31 | gotmynick | never trust folks, check on your own |
| 01:36.39 | gnarface | reiserfs does allow arbitrary block sizes... |
| 01:36.46 | gnarface | reiser 3.6 at least |
| 01:37.14 | gotmynick | reiserfs(3) was supposed to perform better with small files |
| 01:37.20 | gnarface | yes this is also true |
| 01:37.23 | gotmynick | adding a user space daemon too |
| 01:37.36 | Volkswagner | moving /usr/share/doc got me 10% space back on / 91% used down to 81% :) |
| 01:37.39 | gnarface | its kinda unsupported these days though |
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| 01:37.49 | gnarface | its a shame ext4 doesn't support block sizes below 1k |
| 01:38.01 | gotmynick | Volkswagner, have you try localepurge ? |
| 01:38.19 | Volkswagner | gotmynick yes localepurge is second after ssh :) |
| 01:38.29 | gotmynick | and you may want to reconfigure rsyslogd to do not triplicate some messages asa debian default does |
| 01:38.39 | gotmynick | s/asa/as/ |
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| 01:40.48 | Volkswagner | next I need to hack away unnecessary drivers/firmware... after I image the drive. |
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| 01:42.35 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, this is a lot of surgery you're doing... what would you like the end result to be? |
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| 01:45.04 | gotmynick | I hope you purged "nano" and other packages with "Priority: " > required |
| 01:45.29 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, I'm looking for peak performance with as many goodies as possible. The CF is slow so it is not practical for running executables and such |
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| 01:46.54 | gotmynick | performance? tmpfs to the rescue! |
| 01:47.01 | mlt- | I can push/pop patches with quilt, but whenever I do debuild it complains that no file to patch:( I'm lost |
| 01:47.24 | mlt- | Any idea what might be wrong? |
| 01:47.33 | Volkswagner | gotmynick, I'm still not an expert and nano is my crutch! |
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| 01:49.10 | dclarke | question : I recently did an aptitude update and then upgrade. When I went to gmail site I now see this : http://i46.tinypic.com/102o67s.png <-- is this the sort of thing that is common to others also or do I need to download firefox package ? |
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| 01:50.17 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, how many people would use this machine? (in any way, example, web service) |
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| 01:52.14 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Think of du as the opposite of df. |
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| 01:52.30 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, likely I'll be the sole user. Trying out remote applications for MPD, looking into home automation frontend remotes. but at webdt.org we try to build useful images |
| 01:52.31 | nsadmin | sure, df shows the filesystems |
| 01:53.08 | karlpinc | gotmynick: tempfs is not always the answer. The kernek will cache blocks anyway and it's not always a good idea to second guess it. |
| 01:53.15 | karlpinc | *kernel* |
| 01:53.24 | Volkswagner | for folks to use clonezilla as an easy install method, so they can be fairly new to linux and get up and running quickly without the 4 hour install/tweak |
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| 01:54.22 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, cool. one thing you could consider is once you're ready to, throw a spare hd in there, and eliminate the cf card |
| 01:55.16 | gotmynick | karlpinc, agreed |
| 01:55.31 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, what makes these old machines attractive is the buy in price for under $100. I'd likely get a modern capacitive touch tablet before throwing actual cash |
| 01:55.47 | Volkswagner | for some time is money, but I currently have more time than money :) |
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| 01:56.26 | gotmynick | remembers the last time i did try apt-get update on a 386@33 Mhz... |
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| 01:56.57 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: Perhaps you want to create a <blend>. |
| 01:57.00 | karlpinc | !tell Volkswagner about blend |
| 01:57.11 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, as I said, something to consider when you're ready |
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| 01:58.43 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, some folks have added 4gig internal flash units which are slightly faster than stock, but also press onto the display a little, I have nearly pulled the trigger for ~$70 |
| 01:58.48 | karlpinc | Volkswagner: One of these will likely outperform an old $100 box: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html |
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| 02:03.56 | Volkswagner | karlpinc, I have two of these http://tinyurl.com/85c8lau and two with slightly better hardware but are new old stock (never used) |
| 02:04.09 | Volkswagner | gotta run |
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| 02:39.45 | C_ahudf | hi |
| 02:39.48 | C_ahudf | can anyone help me? http://pastebin.com/MX3BkFW9 |
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| 02:43.13 | sanitypassing | is there any way to get debian to detect a new monitor without rebooting? |
| 02:44.25 | alfplayer | sanitypassing: with xrandr, I think |
| 02:44.34 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 02:44.44 | sanitypassing | just run xrandr? |
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| 02:45.21 | alfplayer | sanitypassing: it's been a while, I don't remember and it might have changed, just trying to give you a pointer |
| 02:45.28 | sanitypassing | ok |
| 02:45.30 | sanitypassing | thanks |
| 02:45.35 | alfplayer | sure |
| 02:45.36 | sanitypassing | checks out manpages. |
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| 02:57.40 | unomystEz | hello, how can I manually (step-by-step) install a package from apt? I have a custom kernel 3.2.1 installed and virtualbox-dkms is complaining I don't have the linux headers installed for that kernel version even though it's in /usr/src.. need to troubleshoot this I suppose |
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| 03:00.46 | sney | unomystEz: virtualbox-dkms doesn't check for things you untarred yourself, it only looks at what apt knows was installed. for your custom kernel, you should have rolled the standard set of debs and installed that way |
| 03:00.59 | unomystEz | aha |
| 03:01.15 | unomystEz | sney: you have a good link on how to install a custom kernel the 'debian way' |
| 03:01.35 | unomystEz | I just did make install in the (patched) kernel tree.. |
| 03:01.57 | stew | unomystEz: it should be looking for the headers in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 03:02.01 | sney | make-kpkg used to be the standard tool to use but I think that changed with 3.x |
| 03:02.55 | unomystEz | hmm, actually I just circumvented the standard apt package isntall and built the kernel module from the vbox source tree, seems to work... |
| 03:03.18 | unomystEz | guess I should really use the standard method though to save myself from these headaches |
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| 03:03.25 | mlt- | What is the proper way to override CXX in debian/rules? I'm currently doing it via override_dh_auto_configure target. But something tells me it is not quite neat. |
| 03:03.28 | ung | hi, I use debian stable and I can't connect to msn servers with Kopete in kde, with pidgin I can't add a msn friend, anyone know something that works that support otr for instant chat please |
| 03:03.37 | sney | unomystEz: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html section 4.5 |
| 03:03.47 | sney | or 4.6, I suppose |
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| 03:05.04 | unomystEz | sney: thanks, that makes a lot of sense |
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| 03:05.09 | jaggz- | if I'm upgrading a lenny system what's the best way? |
| 03:05.50 | stew | jaggz-: chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 03:05.55 | jaggz- | do I have to do lenny->squeeze then squeeze-> something else? |
| 03:06.05 | sney | squeeze is current stable |
| 03:06.16 | stew | you have to do lenny -> most current lenny, then lenny -> squeeze |
| 03:08.23 | ung | anyone can tell me something that works to chat on msn with OTR, kopete and pidgin doesnt work on debian, so many bug and I use stable ... |
| 03:08.53 | stew | mlt-: can't you just edit the variables at the top level of the makefile? |
| 03:09.13 | stew | by "the makefile" i mean debian/rules, of course |
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| 03:10.52 | jaggz- | can I trust dpkg's instructions too? |
| 03:10.57 | jaggz- | "Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release ..." |
| 03:11.14 | jaggz- | "... Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)" |
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| 03:17.43 | rsser | I'm new on this -> is it possible debian on usb live? |
| 03:17.44 | epsilon | um, is lenny still in normal mirror or already in archive? |
| 03:18.00 | mlt- | stew: I'd have to make a yet another quilt patch then.. so i don't think changing a makefile is an option |
| 03:18.10 | mlt- | oops |
| 03:18.26 | gnarface | epsilon: archive |
| 03:18.36 | stew | mlt-: no, i'm talking about debian/rules |
| 03:18.47 | mlt- | I hade CXX= in debian/rules but it doesn't work unless I use it in override statement |
| 03:19.27 | epsilon | jaggz-: you maybe have to change the /etc/apt/sources.list if lenny isn't served there anymore |
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| 03:19.34 | mlt- | I mean override_dh_auto_configure target |
| 03:19.41 | rsser | ? |
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| 03:19.51 | epsilon | jaggz-: for the pre-update of lenny to last state |
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| 03:20.06 | jaggz- | thanks |
| 03:20.20 | jaggz- | yeah I tried following dpkg but it doesn't fit what stew and you are saying |
| 03:21.05 | stew | jaggz-: try a different mirror |
| 03:21.13 | rsser | CPU Info: (8 CPU's - Intel Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @, 3.41 GHz, (2% Load)) |
| 03:21.36 | rsser | how can Debian work with i64? |
| 03:22.11 | stew | rsser: what do you mean? |
| 03:22.34 | nevyn | debian supports ia64 and amd64 |
| 03:22.48 | stew | but forget about ia64, it's not what you think it is |
| 03:22.56 | nevyn | it's what I think it is. |
| 03:23.06 | nevyn | it's EPIC |
| 03:23.17 | tzarc | just think of the integrity on it |
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| 03:23.50 | tzarc | kinda sad that I have an itanium box at home :S |
| 03:23.55 | nevyn | that is sad. |
| 03:23.57 | nevyn | agreed. |
| 03:24.20 | nevyn | sigh work's disposal practices make getting that sort of stuff difficult |
| 03:24.23 | rsser | Hard Disks: (Total/Free: 1.82/0.88TB ¤ Total/Free space on: C: 46.65/4.86GB ¤ D: 215.5/18.69GB ¤ E: 93.4/6.72GB ¤ F: 92.84/6.78GB ¤ G: 242.12/57.35GB ¤ H: 240.68/12.02GB ¤ I: 205.08/200.93GB ¤ J: 726.43/593.61GB) |
| 03:24.41 | tzarc | that's wonderful |
| 03:24.48 | rsser | now, I have a space to install debian system |
| 03:27.24 | rsser | Not Found - The requested URL /cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/ia64/bt-cd/ was not found on this server. |
| 03:27.39 | rsser | there isn't any thing debian website |
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| 03:27.54 | jagginess | rsser, you have an itanium processor? |
| 03:27.55 | tzarc | you don't want ia64. |
| 03:29.03 | jagginess | rsser, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#Linux |
| 03:29.11 | rsser | my processor is => |
| 03:29.17 | rsser | CPU Info: (8 CPU's - Intel Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @, 3.41 GHz, (3% Load)) |
| 03:29.17 | stew | rsser: you want amd64, like I said, ia64 is not what you think it is |
| 03:29.31 | jagginess | rsser, amd64==x86_64(intel) |
| 03:29.32 | rsser | my processor isn't amd |
| 03:29.40 | jagginess | rsser, for distro branches |
| 03:29.40 | sney | rsser: for live usb, http:http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 03:29.40 | rsser | hum..., jagginess |
| 03:29.44 | rsser | sorry, I didn't know |
| 03:29.45 | stew | rsser: yes, your processor is intel |
| 03:30.06 | rsser | thank you, sney |
| 03:30.09 | sney | rsser: it got called amd64 because amd was the first company to sell a 64-bit x86 processor. it applies to both AMD and Intel 64-bit desktop CPUs. |
| 03:30.12 | rsser | thank you, jagginess |
| 03:30.24 | rsser | humm... sney |
| 03:30.28 | rsser | i didn't know about that |
| 03:31.28 | rsser | what is the best for desktop gnome or xfce? |
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| 03:31.58 | jagginess | rsser, nobody likes those questions.. (you're best to try them all out) |
| 03:32.04 | sney | depends on your opinion. |
| 03:32.08 | rsser | okay |
| 03:32.11 | jagginess | rsser, but gnome is the default desktop for many popular distros.. |
| 03:32.13 | rsser | I'm sorry, jagginess |
| 03:32.17 | nevyn | jagginess: the intel name is ia32e btw |
| 03:32.20 | nevyn | !amd64 |
| 03:32.20 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 03:32.35 | nevyn | !ia32e |
| 03:32.35 | dpkg | "Intel 64" (formerly IA-32e, EM64T) is Intel's clone of AMD64, providing 64-bit extensions to the i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64. Ask me about <amd64>. |
| 03:32.54 | rsser | !amd64 |
| 03:32.55 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
| 03:33.07 | mlt- | Shall quilt patches be in a certain state (un/applied) before debuild? |
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| 03:33.19 | rsser | thank you, guys |
| 03:35.19 | nevyn | mlt-: debuild is going to unpack the orig.tgz and maybe apply patches I think you need to read debian/rules or debian/control to be sure |
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| 03:36.35 | nevyn | so the .deb format only support orig.tgz and a single patch but there are debhelper things that add support for stuff like quilt aiui |
| 03:36.44 | mlt- | nevyn: I read some on quilt. I can push & pop my patch around but whebever I do debuild it can't find a file to patch. |
| 03:36.44 | nevyn | mlt-: short version it depends on the specific package. |
| 03:37.10 | mlt- | I'm trying to wrap a 3rd party software in 3.0 format using quilt |
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| 03:37.51 | nevyn | do you have devscripts installed? |
| 03:38.07 | nevyn | this is probably better handled on -mentors |
| 03:38.09 | mlt- | I'm quite confused about debian-changes-<version> patch file in series... |
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| 03:38.21 | mlt- | yes, it is installed |
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| 03:38.44 | nevyn | so If I were doing this. I'd do it in git. but then I LIKE git. |
| 03:38.59 | mlt- | I can package just fine with native 3.0 format but not when I try to patch upstream source with mine patch |
| 03:39.45 | mlt- | I also like git. The problem is that source is coming from Windows world and it is a plain ZIP that I have to convert to tar.bz2 for use with devscripts |
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| 03:40.39 | nevyn | mlt-: it's probably going to be better to ask on #debian-devel or #debian-mentors |
| 03:40.59 | mlt- | Thank you.. I'll try that |
| 03:42.03 | nevyn | oh |
| 03:42.08 | nevyn | on OFTC not freenode |
| 03:42.13 | nevyn | mlt-: ^^ |
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| 03:47.45 | mlt- | nevyn: thanks! I was surprised by # of users on freenode :-) |
| 03:48.37 | stew | you want #debian-mentors, not #debian-devel |
| 03:48.46 | mlt- | I'm there |
| 03:49.41 | mlt- | At some point I've managed to make a binary package a couple of days ago, but now I have no clue what happened :( |
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| 04:27.22 | DBordello | I just installed squeeze for a netinstall disk. Is it common for there to be no updates? Or am I missing a security update source? |
| 04:28.19 | nkuttler | !tell DBordello about security |
| 04:28.29 | dax | the netinstall disk downloads security updates during installation, doesn't it? |
| 04:28.45 | nkuttler | does it? that's spiffy |
| 04:29.00 | sney | yes |
| 04:29.05 | DBordello | nkuttler, cool, it looks like the default sources include security. I couldn't believe it didn't |
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| 04:30.04 | CRUNK | has anyone ever encrypted their disk of an existing debian install on-the-fly with the following shell script: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=141 ? just want to know if it was successful or not before i go nuking my laptop |
| 04:31.00 | karlpinc | CRUNK: Sounds dangerous. Why not test your backup system by encrypting and then doing a restore? |
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| 04:35.47 | CRUNK | karlpinc: sorry, i dont understand. you mean back everything up and re install? |
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| 04:38.21 | mlt- | figured out the issue with quilt |
| 04:40.08 | karlpinc | CRUNK: Back everything up. Then boot off a livecd or the installer in rescue mode. Encrypt partitions (except /boot, that must not be encrypted). Restore partition contents. Mount partitions and chroot into / and make a new initramfs with "update-initramfs -u" (iirc). Then reboot. |
| 04:40.49 | karlpinc | CRUNK: You must do a fs level backup, with tar or rsync or whatever. |
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| 04:41.40 | pparadis | alternately, you could back everything up, do a fresh install selecting the encryption/lvm option during the setup, and move your data back onto the newly installed system. whatever is easiest for you, both would work :) |
| 04:41.53 | CRUNK | well i dont want to re install because |
| 04:41.59 | CRUNK | it was a bitch to get this laptop going 100% |
| 04:42.10 | pparadis | the first step regardless is to do a full backup. |
| 04:42.11 | CRUNK | because its super new, and the latest stable installer had problems with drivers |
| 04:42.20 | CRUNK | so i had to do backports and al lthis shit |
| 04:42.39 | CRUNK | i was hoping i didnt have to do a full backup |
| 04:42.41 | CRUNK | lol |
| 04:42.43 | pparadis | and if your setup is that much trouble to replicate again, you might even consider doing a block level backup with dd over your LAN to another machine first. |
| 04:42.54 | CRUNK | thats a good idea |
| 04:43.00 | pparadis | (using a live cd of course) |
| 04:43.09 | CRUNK | dd + netcat ? |
| 04:43.14 | CRUNK | is that reliable? |
| 04:43.17 | pparadis | i use dd over ssh |
| 04:43.21 | pparadis | but whatever |
| 04:43.48 | karlpinc | CRUNK: Basically the same as restore from backup, except you encrypt after setting up the partitions (which you don't need to setup because they exist) and making an initramfs (I forgot, make sure cryptsetup is installed) so that the initramfs will detect and ask for the password(s). |
| 04:44.00 | pparadis | dd bs=1M if=/dev/sda | ssh user@anothermachine "dd of=/home/user/laptop-backup.img" |
| 04:44.03 | pparadis | or whatever |
| 04:44.44 | pparadis | you can also pass it through gzip or pbzip2 on the fly if you want. |
| 04:44.55 | pparadis | i like pbzip2 because it uses multiple cores. |
| 04:45.33 | karlpinc | CRUNK: As you do this, you may want to adjust your partitioning. It's nice to have a single encrypted partition so you need enter only one password. Then you can run lvm with the encrypted device as a pv if you want more than one encrypted partition. YMMV. |
| 04:45.47 | karlpinc | pparadis: Good to knowl. |
| 04:46.04 | pparadis | so then it would be more like: dd bs=1M if=/dev/sda | pbzip2 -c | ssh user@anothermachine "dd of=/home/user/laptop-backup.img.bz2" |
| 04:47.01 | karlpinc | pparadis: (I'd .... | ssh user@anothermachine 'cat - > /home/user/laptop-backup.img.bz2' Just a matter of taste.) |
| 04:47.08 | gnarface | why not use tar instead? |
| 04:47.31 | karlpinc | gnarface: Only reason would be to capture the mbr. |
| 04:48.01 | karlpinc | is thinks disk images are way over-used as a backup stragem. |
| 04:48.08 | pparadis | gnarface: if he's talking about his setup being that much of a PITA to replace, i just find it easier (and faster many times with pbzip2) and safer to do a bit-for-bit copy. disk is cheap and cpu power is pretty readily available these days. |
| 04:48.29 | pparadis | it's hard to mess it up. |
| 04:48.48 | gnarface | i suppose that does simplify the restoration process.... though it makes it take a buttload longer too |
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| 04:49.10 | karlpinc | pparadis: Yah. Never hurts. But can suck disk to make multiple backups. |
| 04:49.11 | pparadis | actually i've timed both for large filesystems, and dd piped through pbzip2 on a multicore system won in terms of speed. |
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| 04:49.54 | pparadis | karlpinc: use rdiff-backup to only store the diffs. i do a version of this for a fleet of VMs on hosts i run, and it works fast and very reliably. |
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| 04:50.00 | gnarface | against a tar pipe? |
| 04:50.04 | gnarface | i find that hard to believe |
| 04:50.40 | karlpinc | pparadis: I'm a rsync -H fan myself. I like having the entire backup available. It's hard to loop mount an rdiff-backup diff. |
| 04:50.49 | pparadis | i'm just reporting what i actually tested, and especially for filesystems with a couple of GB of smallish files on them, i've seen considerable speed savings over straight tarring and/or rsyncs. |
| 04:51.01 | pparadis | but again, hey, it works for me. ymmv. |
| 04:51.21 | karlpinc | pparadis: A lot easier to access/restore individual bits and pieces. |
| 04:52.07 | pparadis | karlpinc: that bit is certainly true. for individual file restores, i'd have to bunzip the backup image and pull the file i want. |
| 04:52.10 | karlpinc | (rdiff -H --link-dest, really) |
| 04:52.36 | pparadis | but that's what i need most of the time. most of the time, if i'm doing a restore, it's a full restore back to a snapshot from X days/weeks ago. |
| 04:52.49 | pparadis | not what i need most of the time, rather. |
| 04:53.11 | karlpinc | pparadis: For me it's usually the opposite. I need some particular something that got munged. |
| 04:53.14 | pparadis | nod |
| 04:53.25 | pparadis | different use cases for different folks :) |
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| 04:55.10 | pparadis | for my average use case, it take about 2-3 minutes to do an incremental/differential backup of an entire 20 GB VM disk image, including transit time to the backup host. |
| 04:55.18 | CRUNK | damn |
| 04:55.20 | CRUNK | thats pretty quick |
| 04:55.36 | CRUNK | could i just use rsync? |
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| 04:56.05 | CRUNK | pparadis: if i use dd, will it make an entire 200gb image, or just the amount of space im using? |
| 04:56.07 | karlpinc | CRUNK: You could. But rsync has a painful number of options. tar might be better. |
| 04:56.12 | pparadis | the first one takes longer, btw, perhaps 10-12 minutes. but yes, you could just use rsync, although if you're paranoid and want to preserve an exact copy of what you've got i'd still recommend dd. |
| 04:56.22 | karlpinc | CRUNK: If you compress it it will take a lot less. |
| 04:56.35 | pparadis | nod, i'd use tar before i'd use rsync if you weren't going to go the dd route. |
| 04:56.48 | CRUNK | the only reason im not opting for dd is because this drive is bigger than my only other drive to backup to |
| 04:57.02 | CRUNK | you guys have been a world of help btw |
| 04:57.02 | CRUNK | thanks |
| 04:57.07 | pparadis | heh, it won't be after it gets piped through pbzip2, but again, hey, your option man :D |
| 04:57.25 | pparadis | you can also compress a tarball on the fly, of course. |
| 04:57.40 | karlpinc | CRUNK: I'm not sure that dbzip2 (?) is on the debian installer (in rescue mode) so you might want to stick with gzip. |
| 04:57.49 | pparadis | apt-get install pbzip2 |
| 04:57.50 | pparadis | done |
| 04:58.03 | pparadis | (i'd use debian live or something similar for it) |
| 04:58.06 | karlpinc | pparadis: Can you do that from the rescue mode? |
| 04:58.21 | karlpinc | pparadis: nod. debian-live is nice that way. |
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| 04:59.07 | pparadis | it is nice to have a bunch of cpu power hanging around these days. it kinda changes things a bit from the old days. |
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| 04:59.19 | pparadis | sometimes not for the best, i might add, but usually nice. |
| 04:59.46 | CRUNK | if this wasnt my work laptop id just say fuck it and chance it with that on the fly encrypting |
| 04:59.49 | CRUNK | lol |
| 05:00.04 | pparadis | probably best to be careful then l) |
| 05:00.07 | pparadis | ;) |
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| 05:06.08 | CRUNK | one other quick question, after installing NVIDIA display drivers, i lost my vesa console, do i have to recompile some module or add some grub option or something to get it back? |
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| 05:08.51 | stew | awesome |
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| 05:10.57 | tintin | aptitude instlal php5-json, is it to install json with php? |
| 05:11.43 | CRUNK | karlpinc: if i opt for tar + bzip2 will extracting preserve the permissions/file modes |
| 05:11.46 | pparadis | tintin: that would install a php json library. |
| 05:12.03 | tintin | install php5-json doesn't do anything |
| 05:12.19 | pparadis | tintin: probably because that's not a package in the repos. |
| 05:12.37 | tintin | What to do to get json support for php? |
| 05:12.40 | pparadis | tintin: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:12.46 | tintin | Is it? php-services-json |
| 05:12.49 | tintin | squeeze stable |
| 05:13.01 | tintin | 6.0.5 |
| 05:13.12 | pparadis | yep, it should probably be php-services-json |
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| 05:15.52 | tintin | php -m | grep json , doens't do anything |
| 05:17.30 | pparadis | tintin: http://php.net/manual/en/function.json-decode.php |
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| 05:20.37 | pparadis | tintin: okay, php5-json is actually in the repos, but it's a virtual package --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/php5-json |
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| 05:24.28 | tintin | pparadis: virtual package to what? |
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| 05:25.02 | pparadis | tintin: http://paste.debian.net/177915/ <-- php5-json only makes sure php5-common is installed. after installing php5-common and php5-cli in a test VM, that script works. |
| 05:25.25 | CRUNK | 1gb backed up..... 20 more to go |
| 05:25.31 | pparadis | yay! |
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| 05:26.09 | pparadis | tintin: in other words, you should already have json_encode and json_decode available. |
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| 05:50.46 | pparadis | it bugs me when people part the channel without indicating that the assistance they were given was or wasn't helpful. |
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| 05:51.32 | nkuttler | pparadis: welcome to doing irc support |
| 05:52.27 | pparadis | oh i know. i don't usually complain. it's just that i could have simply said "yo dawg see #php HAND" but instead i helped him out. believe me, i'm used to it, been doing the irc support thing for years, but every now and again it bugs me :) |
| 05:53.20 | Ariii | I think I might have to wipe the OS from my PowerBook f MB RAM?or malware-related issues... so, how should Debian run on 1 GHz with 512 |
| 05:53.41 | Ariii | I think I might have to wipe the OS from my PowerBook for malware-related issues... so, how should Debian run on 1 GHz with 512 MB RAM? |
| 05:54.19 | pparadis | Ariii: depending on what you're expecting in terms of performance, it may well run just fine. i might recommend an alternate desktop environment such as lxde or xfce though. |
| 05:55.25 | pparadis | Ariii: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/powerpc/iso-cd/ <-- debian-6.0.5-powerpc-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 05:55.55 | Ariii | pparadis: Thanks! I don't want to spend $150 on a copy of Leopard so I think I'll have to... I have it on my clamshell iBook and there are a couple networking issues. Is it better with the AirPort Extreme cards |
| 05:55.57 | Ariii | ? |
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| 05:56.25 | pparadis | dunno, i don't run it personally on a macbook, but i'm sure there's detailed info on the debian wiki. |
| 06:00.07 | pparadis | Ariii: possibly helpful --> http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/ |
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| 06:08.09 | miyu | . |
| 06:08.12 | miyu | hi |
| 06:08.38 | pparadis | hi, do you have a debian question? |
| 06:08.57 | miyu | no |
| 06:09.00 | miyu | ı havent |
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| 06:09.52 | pparadis | miyu: this channel is for debian support. if you're looking for social chat, this isn't the right place, but you might try #debian-offtopic if you're interested in debian-ish offtopic chatter. |
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| 06:10.32 | miyu | thanks |
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| 06:21.45 | miyu | what is mean ''debian''?? |
| 06:21.54 | pparadis | !debian |
| 06:21.55 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 06:34.36 | n-iCe | hello guys |
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| 06:35.14 | n-iCe | My system monitor says per proccesor 2.26GHZ but all the other programs like an irssi script or inxi says 800MGZ, what can be happening? is debian really using 2.25GHZ how can I know it? |
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| 06:35.51 | pparadis | n-iCe: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 06:36.47 | agike | Hi, I have debian-live-6.0.4-i386-rescue.iso but the user login "casper" and password "live" do not work so I cannot become root. Can anyone advise what login and passwd work with current debian live cd ? |
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| 06:38.17 | ||arifaX | agike: did you try sudo when logged in as casper? Try sudo -i |
| 06:38.56 | agike | yep, but not 'sudo -i' .. what info does that give me ? |
| 06:39.54 | ||arifaX | agike: -i = simulate initial login |
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| 06:42.32 | agike | ||arifaX: Thank you. I'll try that tomorrow morning in my time zone - I need a bit of sleep at the moment. |
| 06:42.45 | ||arifaX | agike: I think at the live cd you should not need a password for sudo I think |
| 06:43.00 | ||arifaX | is thinking a lot :) |
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| 06:44.00 | agike | ||arifx: From memory, it asked for a passwd. |
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| 06:44.16 | ||arifaX | agike maybe you tried su not sudo |
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| 06:45.17 | n-iCe | pparadis: cpu MHz: 800.000 |
| 06:45.27 | n-iCe | pparadis: model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz |
| 06:45.30 | n-iCe | I don't understand |
| 06:46.22 | pparadis | n-iCe: http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 06:47.29 | nevyn | n-iCe: is your system responcive? |
| 06:47.35 | nevyn | n-iCe: why do you care? |
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| 06:47.53 | n-iCe | well it is but does not mean debian is not using my full proccesor capacities? |
| 06:47.59 | pparadis | exactly. frequency scaling is there for a reason, and the default is "on demand more power" |
| 06:48.11 | pparadis | n-iCe: please read the linked article. |
| 06:48.23 | nevyn | n-iCe: yes it does. but that's because the system doesn't need to. |
| 06:48.32 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 06:48.33 | nevyn | this is good for the planet your aircon etc |
| 06:48.39 | pparadis | n-iCe: also --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling |
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| 06:49.03 | n-iCe | so should I leave it this way? |
| 06:49.18 | nevyn | there are some cases where you should mess with it. but they're pretty obsure |
| 06:49.19 | pparadis | n-iCe: the whole point is that if nothing needs more cpu power, the cpu gets throttled down. if something needs more cpu, it throttles up. |
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| 06:49.34 | n-iCe | I see |
| 06:49.34 | pparadis | if your system is stable and responsive, yes, you should probably leave it alone. |
| 06:49.41 | kevlarman | speaking of which, has anyone gotten the userspace tools to report the core performance boost frequency? |
| 06:49.47 | n-iCe | http://pastebin.com/NUQ2x15h pparadis nevyn |
| 06:49.49 | n-iCe | seems ok to me |
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| 06:50.04 | kevlarman | kind of annoying not to be able to know when my cpu is at 3.3 or 3.8 |
| 06:50.19 | nevyn | n-iCe: please use paste.debian.net |
| 06:50.40 | n-iCe | lol really? |
| 06:50.43 | pparadis | kevlarman: i haven't really loked at it in a while. last time i did, it was for an AMD quad core box used for some virtualization, and frequency scaling actually caused stability issues, so it just got disabled on that box. |
| 06:50.55 | nevyn | n-iCe: I really hate the adds on pastebin.com |
| 06:50.57 | koleidascope | How do I setup my network to use Wifi for internet as well as etherenet for local machine access? |
| 06:50.59 | nevyn | and it's SLOW! |
| 06:51.01 | n-iCe | here is http://paste.debian.net/177918/ |
| 06:51.10 | kevlarman | pparadis: i'm relatively sure it does work based on power usage |
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| 06:51.24 | kevlarman | but it's annoying :\ |
| 06:51.26 | nevyn | n-iCe: that was a 'in future' typething but thanks anyway |
| 06:51.36 | nevyn | n-iCe: so that all looks normal |
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| 06:51.50 | n-iCe | awesome! thank guys! |
| 06:51.52 | koleidascope | I can connect to my Wifi access point but the internet is not working? |
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| 06:52.00 | n-iCe | I thought Debian was not recognizing it |
| 06:52.05 | nevyn | if you have specific requirements around latency and data aquisition would be the only time to mess with it |
| 06:52.06 | pparadis | kevlarman: right, the stability issues were specifically cpu softlocks on that processor (AMD Athlon II X4 635) doing KVM virt. |
| 06:52.36 | koleidascope | In windows I can change the adapter priority - what do you do in debian? |
| 06:52.41 | pparadis | kevlarman: with freqscaling disabled, all issues vanished. i've only seen it on AMD procs, btw. intel systems don't seem to suffer from it, and newer AMD procs may not either. |
| 06:52.49 | koleidascope | I have network-manager-gnome installed... |
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| 06:53.20 | kevlarman | pparadis: i'm not talking about frequency scaling |
| 06:53.23 | kevlarman | that part works |
| 06:53.26 | koleidascope | And i tried playing around with /etc/net../inter.. but no luck. |
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| 06:54.02 | kevlarman | i'm talking about the built in clock multiplier bump that happens when the load is only on one core |
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| 06:54.13 | pparadis | ah, okay. no clue there. |
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| 06:54.53 | nevyn | kevlarman: I didn't think that required external support/management |
| 06:56.11 | kevlarman | nevyn: there's mentions of it in kernel changelogs |
| 06:56.27 | kevlarman | nevyn: and the problem is cpufreq continues to report 3.3ghz |
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| 06:57.05 | kevlarman | (and the only easy way of maxing out 1 core i have also maxes out a 150W gpu) |
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| 06:57.53 | kevlarman | i'd just set all 6 cores to 3.8 but then i have heat problems when i make -j6 |
| 06:58.50 | nevyn | so you know turboboost is constrained by the TDP for the chip it isn't just faster always |
| 06:59.15 | nevyn | it's faster for non-threaded tasks. (not make -j6) |
| 06:59.33 | kevlarman | nevyn: exactly |
| 07:00.01 | nevyn | make -j6 should automatically drop you to Pstate 1 rather than Pstate0 |
| 07:00.08 | kevlarman | nevyn: games tend to max out 1.5 cores tops and be cpu bound due to wine/my lack of sandy/ivy bridge |
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| 07:00.53 | nevyn | so depending on how much tdp that .5 is causing you should get some win from turboboost in that situation yes. |
| 07:00.59 | nevyn | http://computing-intensive.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/how-to-make-turbo-boost-work-under.html |
| 07:01.09 | nevyn | make sure the bios is configured correctly |
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| 07:01.20 | kevlarman | turbo boost is the intel one |
| 07:01.22 | nevyn | also this might need newer shinier kernels depending on what you're using |
| 07:01.25 | nevyn | yes... |
| 07:01.31 | kevlarman | and my chip is amd... |
| 07:01.36 | nevyn | this doesn't exist for AMD afaik |
| 07:01.41 | kevlarman | it does |
| 07:01.48 | kevlarman | they call it core performance boost |
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| 07:01.59 | nevyn | turbocore ! |
| 07:03.43 | nevyn | ah... |
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| 07:05.33 | nevyn | kevlarman: so.. apparently it's done differently (looks like it's in cpu microcode not using pstates to me) |
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| 07:05.36 | nevyn | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/enabling-turbo-core-on-linux-840918/ |
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| 07:07.51 | nevyn | kevlarman: "I have a Phenom II X6 1055T and I know how to find out if TurboCore kicks in. The only way is to use "cpufreq-aperf" as root and take a look the the col "Average freq(KHz)". "I have a Phenom II X6 1055T and I know how to find out if TurboCore kicks in. The only way is to use "cpufreq-aperf" as root and take a look the the col "Average freq(KHz)". |
| 07:08.09 | kajo | hi sweeper , 1 day and over 10 hours and no crash :) so the problem must has been caused by acpi. |
| 07:08.40 | kevlarman | nevyn: irritating :\ |
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| 07:09.08 | nevyn | kevlarman: serves you right for buying amd ;-P |
| 07:09.25 | pparadis | kevlarman: would this possibly help (ajusted for the number of cores you have of course)? http://paste.debian.net/177920/ |
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| 07:09.45 | kevlarman | pparadis: nope |
| 07:10.09 | kevlarman | pparadis: it'd hurt in fact, since it would most likely force the 100% cpu down to 3.3ghz |
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| 07:10.19 | pparadis | hrm |
| 07:10.23 | nevyn | kevlarman: cpufreq-aperf must be asking something... like something in /sys or somewhere for the data |
| 07:10.31 | nevyn | /proc/cpuinfo tho doesn't get informed. |
| 07:10.36 | kevlarman | (from 3.80) |
| 07:10.51 | kevlarman | nevyn: the issue with aperf is the huge amount of time for the average |
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| 07:11.11 | kevlarman | nevyn: the scheduler refuses to let a game stay on the same cpu |
| 07:11.45 | nevyn | kevlarman: also.. background http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_fx8150_features&num=1 |
| 07:11.58 | osfd | Hi there. I use "official" firefox and all the checkboxes are all white, even checked, unless I hover with my mouse where in this case it shows the actual state... anyone can tell me how to change that, please |
| 07:12.03 | nevyn | kevlarman: umm that's fixable |
| 07:12.14 | nevyn | using cpupinning |
| 07:12.23 | kevlarman | nevyn: that has its own issues |
| 07:12.33 | kevlarman | mainly that the game will use more than 1 cpu |
| 07:12.39 | pparadis | osfd: we can't support third party software. we can only support applications installed from the repositories. |
| 07:12.44 | nevyn | cna you pin it to a couple? |
| 07:12.54 | nevyn | of cores |
| 07:12.59 | nevyn | tho that seems silly |
| 07:13.04 | osfd | pparadis: actually, it's the same for iceweasel |
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| 07:13.13 | pparadis | well then! that's entirely different. |
| 07:13.13 | kevlarman | nevyn: then the renderer thread keeps getting bumped to the 1.7ghz core |
| 07:13.17 | nevyn | kevlarman: is the process that's cpu hungry persistant once the game is launched? |
| 07:13.29 | nevyn | is it htg a thread or a process? |
| 07:13.29 | kevlarman | and ondemand takes too long to up the clock |
| 07:13.36 | nevyn | yeah yeah... |
| 07:13.38 | pparadis | osfd: i don't get that behavior. what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:13.38 | kevlarman | thread |
| 07:14.06 | osfd | pparadis: squeeze with xfce |
| 07:14.19 | nevyn | man I hate threads. |
| 07:14.39 | nevyn | kevlarman: you could switch to performance as your cpu governer |
| 07:15.08 | pparadis | nevyn: he seems to believe that would make it worse. |
| 07:15.11 | nevyn | kevlarman: if the cpu expensive thing doesn't have a pid independant from the cpu inexpensive thing. |
| 07:15.19 | nevyn | you could be screwed. |
| 07:15.27 | kevlarman | nevyn: pretty much |
| 07:15.36 | nevyn | like just changing your governer is the least bad option |
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| 07:15.47 | kevlarman | nevyn: worst actually |
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| 07:15.54 | nevyn | how? |
| 07:16.02 | kevlarman | performance = no 3.8ghz core |
| 07:16.22 | kevlarman | the best is making ondemand overly trigger happy on bumping the clock upwards |
| 07:16.27 | kevlarman | but that's not ideal either |
| 07:16.44 | nevyn | so... you should be able to set performance on some cores |
| 07:16.50 | nevyn | and tie the pid to those cores. |
| 07:17.16 | kevlarman | that produces the same results as a triggerhappy ondemand |
| 07:17.23 | nevyn | how so? |
| 07:17.26 | kevlarman | (setting up_threshold to ~45) |
| 07:17.49 | pparadis | osfd: is this new behavior, as in did it work properly before? if so, what has changed since then? |
| 07:18.35 | kevlarman | nevyn: with a sufficiently low up_threshold, the latency of 800->3.8 drops into the microseconds |
| 07:18.48 | osfd | pparadis: as long as I remember it' always been the same |
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| 07:19.21 | koleidascope | In Debian, why is it that you cannot connect to a wireless internet when you have ethernet plugged in??? |
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| 07:19.29 | nevyn | kevlarman: so.. using taskset and a performance governer on those cores you should be able to make this work? have you tried that? |
| 07:19.42 | pparadis | koleidascope: you can disable the wired connection. |
| 07:19.53 | nevyn | so set the governer for cpu 0, 1, 2, to performance |
| 07:20.02 | koleidascope | pparadis: id like to have both available - is it possible? |
| 07:20.03 | nevyn | then taskset -c 0,1,2 pidofgame |
| 07:20.10 | kevlarman | nevyn: yup, produces similar results to ondemand with a very low up_threshold |
| 07:20.30 | kevlarman | except with more unneccessary high clocks |
| 07:20.34 | osfd | pparadis: http://imagebin.org/219657 this is a checked checkbox |
| 07:20.39 | nevyn | unnessicary high clocks? |
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| 07:21.33 | kevlarman | nevyn: only the cpu with the renderer thread on it needs to be at 3.8, the others are there for the purpose of keeping secondary threads off the renderer's cpu |
| 07:21.35 | koleidascope | pparadis: i'd like to be able to VNC into the machine using the ethernet, and connect to the internet when on the machine... |
| 07:21.35 | pparadis | koleidascope: as far as i'm aware, network-manager won't be happy with that. |
| 07:21.48 | pparadis | koleidascope: it's certainly doable, but likely not with network-manager. |
| 07:21.55 | nevyn | in fact I'd use cpu 456 rather than 0,1,2 for no other reason that my gut tells me that 0 is where most interrupts are routed |
| 07:22.09 | koleidascope | pparadis: so I should configure it manually in /etc/net.../int... |
| 07:22.17 | nevyn | kevlarman: does the renderer thread have a pid independantof the other two? |
| 07:22.22 | kevlarman | nope |
| 07:22.43 | koleidascope | pparadis: thanks - ill look into this! |
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| 07:23.10 | kevlarman | nevyn: so ondemand configured to be excessively triggerhappy about increasing the clock produces lower clocks on 5 cpus than performance on 3/ondemand on 3 |
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| 07:23.29 | nevyn | oh of course. |
| 07:23.38 | nevyn | that's expected. |
| 07:23.53 | nevyn | performance on 3 will MAX those cores out. |
| 07:24.31 | nevyn | but what's the impact on performance of the app? |
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| 07:24.38 | nevyn | like in real terms |
| 07:24.47 | pparadis | osfd: i'm not getting that behavior. i just fired up a basic xfce desktop on squeeze, and checkboxes work properly in iceweasel. |
| 07:24.59 | kevlarman | nevyn: i just said, almost identical to performance on 3 |
| 07:25.02 | nevyn | I would think that performance on 3 with the app pinned to those cores would have better latency than ondemand on all |
| 07:25.30 | kevlarman | (as in, the error in measurement is larger than the difference here) |
| 07:25.34 | osfd | pparadis: well, I guess it comes from theme of whatever... |
| 07:25.45 | kevlarman | nevyn: the downside is i don't get 800mhz cores |
| 07:25.49 | nevyn | kevlarman: what if you make ondemand have the default ramp |
| 07:25.53 | nevyn | you get 3. |
| 07:25.55 | pparadis | i was just going to mention that. if you have a custom theme installed, it's probably messing with it. |
| 07:25.58 | nevyn | ;) |
| 07:26.05 | pparadis | osfd: ^^ |
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| 07:26.11 | kevlarman | nevyn: default ramp causes a 3x performance hit |
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| 07:26.23 | kevlarman | without taskset |
| 07:26.32 | nevyn | right please compare the DEFAULT ramp of ondemand to performance for 3cores and taskset |
| 07:26.36 | osfd | pparadis: do we have any clues about freeze ? |
| 07:26.44 | kevlarman | nevyn: about 4x |
| 07:27.04 | nevyn | messing with the ramp is a world of wrong. |
| 07:27.08 | nevyn | imho |
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| 07:27.34 | nevyn | so is this an app you write/blah? |
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| 07:27.49 | kevlarman | nevyn: generally, 5x 1.7 is better than 3.3+4x800 |
| 07:28.03 | kevlarman | because of higher voltages involved |
| 07:28.10 | pparadis | osfd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00000.html |
| 07:28.17 | nevyn | kevlarman: from what perspective? |
| 07:28.24 | kevlarman | power usage |
| 07:28.31 | nevyn | power utilisation/thermal envelope? or performance/latency |
| 07:28.39 | nevyn | we're optimising for different things then |
| 07:28.47 | osfd | pparadis: thank you |
| 07:28.50 | pparadis | np |
| 07:29.21 | kevlarman | nevyn: i'm optimising for minimum power usage with the condition that the game's renderer always gets a 3.8ghz core |
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| 07:29.55 | nevyn | kevlarman: so is this a game you wrote? |
| 07:29.59 | kevlarman | nope |
| 07:30.05 | kevlarman | it's a game i play |
| 07:30.07 | nevyn | or just random workload you just understand how it works? |
| 07:30.08 | nevyn | ok |
| 07:30.19 | osfd | pparadis: so it is frozen !!?? |
| 07:30.41 | kevlarman | nevyn: it's pretty common of modern games |
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| 07:31.05 | pparadis | osfd: "As previously announced[1], testing is now frozen." |
| 07:31.27 | nevyn | kevlarman: so I'm pretty sure games don't expect you to be using "cool and quiet mode" when playing them |
| 07:31.41 | osfd | pparadis: this is awesome ! |
| 07:31.45 | pparadis | osfd: please subscribe to lists you wish to keep on top of :) |
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| 07:32.07 | pparadis | osfd: also, please note that frozen does _not_ mean you should run off and upgrade things to wheezy. |
| 07:32.07 | kevlarman | nevyn: there's something weird about this one (and a few others) that cause it to get screwed by the scheduler/governor |
| 07:32.34 | nevyn | so the scheduler will try to put the pid back on the same core. |
| 07:32.38 | osfd | pparadis: I know, I know... I'll wait a couple of month before migrating but still... |
| 07:33.02 | kevlarman | nevyn: it gets switched only a few times per second |
| 07:33.04 | nevyn | but if it's threaded using a non-native thread implementation it looks like a single process with a state machine to the scheduler |
| 07:33.14 | pparadis | osfd: depending on the systems you're planning to migrate, it would probably be better to wait until wheezy is the new stable. |
| 07:33.36 | nevyn | so when it comes around to schedule it it can't differenciate between the internal threads of the app at all |
| 07:33.37 | kevlarman | nevyn: but for some reason it doesn't spin up its cores as fast as other games |
| 07:33.45 | pparadis | osfd: in other words, if you have production systems that you depend on every day, please do not migrate them to wheezy at any time before it goes stable unless you are prepared to deal with the potential consequences. |
| 07:34.09 | osfd | pparadis: meaning at best february 2013 |
| 07:34.24 | pparadis | osfd: that's not necessarily true, but sure, heck, i guess it could be. |
| 07:34.53 | osfd | pparadis: thank you for all the information |
| 07:35.35 | pparadis | osfd: let's put it this way. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. it you fix it and it wasn't broke, follow the flowchart --> http://frm.li/2o2b57 |
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| 07:37.28 | osfd | pparadis: :) |
| 07:37.35 | pparadis | :) |
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| 07:49.28 | LordShiva | Hi |
| 07:49.54 | LordShiva | Anyone knowledgeable about debian sound system around ? |
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| 07:55.28 | LordShiva | After new installation I have problem with sound in squeeze ! |
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| 07:56.04 | LordShiva | I hear all the time noise and echoing no matter what player I use |
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| 08:01.31 | pparadis | !tell LordShiva about alsa-checklist |
| 08:01.31 | kajo | does apm have to do only with suspend/poweroff or is it used also for something else ? |
| 08:01.46 | kajo | !tell me about apm |
| 08:02.46 | pparadis | goes to bed. goodnight all. |
| 08:03.36 | LordShiva | pparadis, its nothing like that I have added myself to audio group |
| 08:03.42 | kajo | the dpkg bot says that apm is sobstituted by acpi ?!? so if i entered "noapm" while editing my grub menu i changed nothing ? |
| 08:03.46 | kajo | !tell me about acpi |
| 08:03.49 | LordShiva | every jack is muted but PCM |
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| 08:04.01 | pparadis | kajo: you can talk to dpkg in /query |
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| 08:07.38 | kajo | i have acpi 1.6 how can i upgrade it to the latest one (2.6) ? do i have to use backports? i use debian wheezy |
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| 08:08.18 | kajo | kernel: 3.2.0-2 |
| 08:09.28 | kajo | sweeper: are you here ? |
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| 08:10.49 | pparadis | kajo: you might try #debian-next instead. LordShiva: sorry, i'm honestly exhausted and don't have any immediate ideas, and need to get to bed. hopefully someone else will pop up with ideas. |
| 08:11.09 | LordShiva | ok |
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| 08:13.43 | kajo | pparadis: thanks so much (i didnt even know about that channel) :) |
| 08:13.48 | ws2k3 | hi |
| 08:13.54 | ws2k3 | my server tryes to send this kinda mails http://pastebin.com/uJd86r0h |
| 08:13.58 | ws2k3 | how can i fix this |
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| 08:16.03 | pparadis | ws2k3: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1120779 <-- you've probably been compromised. best bet is likely to reinstall the OS and restore your data from known good backups. good luck. |
| 08:16.12 | pparadis | goes to bed for real. good night everyone. |
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| 08:18.44 | LordShiva | The noise is unberable all I hear are cracnks like a totally destroyed LP record |
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| 08:20.09 | {g} | Good Morning from Germany! I have bought a new logitech headset. When I skype on Debian 6.0 my voice is completely distorted. Same with Ubuntu 8. With Ubuntu 12 it works like a charm though. Any idea how I can get it to work on Debian? |
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| 08:20.52 | SPF | ws2k3: http://forums.cpanel.net/f5/lfd-mail-notification-problem-130241.html |
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| 08:22.52 | bardzusny | {g}: This is probably because kernel version in Debian 6.0 is really old |
| 08:22.55 | pparadis | sigh. i was just shutting things down, too. SPF: what he's actually seeing is not something you simply make go away by configuring things to ignore it. he's compromised, and he needs to deal with it. please reread his pastebin. |
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| 08:24.08 | {g} | bardzusny: the kernel contains some kind of soundprocessing? |
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| 08:25.07 | bardzusny | sound drivers |
| 08:25.27 | {g} | bardzusny: so what are my options? try a newer version of debian? |
| 08:25.35 | bardzusny | there are backports |
| 08:26.16 | {g} | bardzusny: of what? |
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| 08:26.56 | bardzusny | of kernels |
| 08:27.12 | {g} | bardzusny: you suggest using a newer kernel in debian 6? |
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| 08:27.30 | bardzusny | seems so |
| 08:28.01 | {g} | sounds scary :) but what do i have to loose. how would that be better then using a newer version of debian? |
| 08:28.13 | bardzusny | backports are supported |
| 08:28.21 | {g} | aha |
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| 08:28.29 | {g} | newer versions of debian are unsopported? |
| 08:28.46 | bardzusny | they are called 'testing' and 'unstable' for a reason |
| 08:28.49 | bardzusny | I know, I use unstable |
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| 08:29.54 | {g} | do you still need a cable to install the newer versions? |
| 08:30.06 | {g} | debian 6 made me cry when it didnt install over wlan. |
| 08:30.23 | {g} | i had to go find an old rusty cable and move my computer next to the router etc. |
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| 08:31.26 | {g} | im too scared to update the kernel in my main debian partition. |
| 08:31.40 | {g} | i think i will rather put a newer debian in another partition and see how it looks like. |
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| 08:39.28 | cantido | When I leave my machine running for 24hr+ Xorg starts to constantly use 100% processor time. How should I go about debugging this? |
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| 08:44.08 | LordShiva | Anyone knowledgeable about debian sound system around ? |
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| 08:44.52 | LordShiva | I still have the problem of crancking sound with alsa |
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| 08:46.31 | Gentoo64 | LordShiva, in what app? |
| 08:46.41 | LordShiva | every |
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| 08:47.28 | LordShiva | I just hear crancks noise it is louder than songs ...same happening and with vlc |
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| 08:47.58 | LordShiva | tried quodlibet vlc audacious xmms2 |
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| 08:48.05 | Gentoo64 | does it happen if you specify the hw device directly? |
| 08:48.09 | Gentoo64 | like hw:0,0 |
| 08:48.17 | Gentoo64 | or whatever your card is |
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| 08:49.15 | Ephexeve-laptop | Hello, I was wondering, in squeeze you still have gnome2, what about sid and wheeze? Also? |
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| 08:50.20 | gnarface | explodey! |
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| 08:54.54 | Ephexeve-laptop | anyone? |
| 08:55.18 | ksk | Ephexeve-laptop: http://packages.debian.org |
| 08:55.30 | ksk | there is gnome3 in testing |
| 08:55.43 | Ephexeve-laptop | damn.. |
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| 08:56.14 | Ephexeve-laptop | last queston, I was wondering, I am using stable squeeze, using gnome2 but I cannot shutdown |
| 08:56.36 | Ephexeve-laptop | when I click shutdown all I see if a black screen, nothing else, but I CAN shutdown in the login manager |
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| 09:02.00 | Ephexeve-laptop | Anyone knows this fix? |
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| 09:04.29 | phogg | Ephexeve-laptop: no, but I suspect there's some process running which hangs and doesn't terminate. Try switching to a console and issuing shutdown and see if it goes down cleanly that way. I suspect it won't. |
| 09:05.01 | Ephexeve-laptop | phogg: Ok, will try now |
| 09:08.58 | nyuszika7h | Anyone care to explain this? |
| 09:09.03 | nyuszika7h | /var/log/kern.log:Jul 3 23:18:50 cadoth kernel: BUG: Bad rss-counter state mm:ffff880017c56680 idx:1 val:-1 |
| 09:09.04 | nyuszika7h | /var/log/kern.log:Jul 3 23:18:50 cadoth kernel: BUG: Bad rss-counter state mm:ffff880017c56680 idx:2 val:1 |
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| 09:10.08 | nyuszika7h | Also, |
| 09:10.10 | nyuszika7h | /var/log/daemon.log:Jul 3 16:03:59 cadoth init: PANIC: segmentation violation! sleeping for 30 seconds. |
| 09:10.43 | Gentoo64 | the rss thing, looks like youll have to wait for a kernel update |
| 09:11.47 | Gentoo64 | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1316358 |
| 09:11.58 | nyuszika7h | I have kernel 3.4.2 |
| 09:12.22 | Gentoo64 | thats not the latest, seems to be fixed |
| 09:12.29 | nyuszika7h | Not the latest? |
| 09:12.44 | nyuszika7h | That's the most recent one available in the Linode Manager |
| 09:12.53 | Gentoo64 | i mean in general |
| 09:13.16 | nyuszika7h | You mean kernel.org has a newer version? |
| 09:13.39 | Gentoo64 | ive been on 3.4.4 for ages |
| 09:13.55 | jelly-home | where ages like '%2 weeks tops%' |
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| 09:14.13 | Gentoo64 | yea :) |
| 09:14.24 | pkkm | Is it safe to use the backports repository on a production server? |
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| 09:14.46 | boudiccas | pkkm: define 'safe'? |
| 09:15.04 | nyuszika7h | pkkm, not sure. I have it on mine and had a crash 2 times, which might or might not be related to backports. |
| 09:16.27 | jelly-home | pkkm: it's reasonably safe to use single apps that don't pull any additional dependencies. |
| 09:16.36 | pkkm | Ok, thanks. |
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| 09:17.18 | jelly-home | pkkm: if the installation wants to upgrade any existing packages, tread carefully. Test environment recommended. |
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| 09:24.19 | rdz | hi all. i have a filesystem that is read-only and for development i'd like to emulate it to be writeable. is there a way to mount it as writeable, while all changes are actually written to some temporary file (since the original fs cannot be changed)? |
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| 09:36.21 | rdz | to answer my own question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnionFS looks promising |
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| 09:43.17 | thewanderer1 | rdz: aufs is the newer alternative and I believe it's included in Debian kernels by default (aufs.ko) |
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| 09:44.12 | rdz | thewanderer1, oh.. thanks.. |
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| 10:10.02 | rdz | thewanderer1, yo.. aufs seems definitely the way to go |
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| 10:10.57 | swatgoss | aufs is supported into squeeze ? |
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| 10:13.32 | rdz | swatgoss, aptitude install aufs-tools |
| 10:13.37 | thewanderer1 | swatgoss: yes, it's included in the default 2.6.32 kernels - not sure about 3.2 builds, but probably works too |
| 10:13.50 | engla | what about unionfs-fuse? That's what ubuntu live cds use |
| 10:14.10 | thewanderer1 | why use that when you have a decent, working aufs2 implementation shipped? :P |
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| 10:21.40 | surf | hi guys I'm experiencing a strange problem on my debian wheezy - gnome 3 fallback mode. The buttons on the menu bar of every application do not respond correctly. I mean if I left click on some of them they don't react but it seems that the click-location is shifted on the left. |
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| 10:22.11 | pmo_ | surf, what says top ? |
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| 10:24.11 | surf | pmo_, it's not an application hung. I think it's a theme/gnome related issue. I click on the X and nothing happens so I "move on the left" until the button appears to be selected. I click and I go. Lol impossible to explain |
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| 10:30.14 | surf | pmo_, I am referring to the Reduce to Icon - Close Window bar. now when I move on top of this bar the buttons shift on the left |
| 10:31.07 | pmo_ | surf if it's a theme / gnome, i would suggest (ala MS) to reinstall, but i'd check process use before due to leap second recent bug |
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| 10:36.00 | surf | pmo_, I don't even know where to look at on top. such a strange problem |
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| 10:38.22 | swatgoss | what is the fastest/cleanest way to install an opera browser in debian squeeze ? |
| 10:38.24 | swatgoss | what is the fastest/cleanest way to install an opera browser in debian squeeze ? (disconnection problem) |
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| 10:38.47 | Shadow` | hmm, im making this bash script, which calls git clone, which demands my password... any way to automate that password input through the .sh? |
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| 10:39.20 | ws2k3 | my server tryes to send this kinda mails http://pastebin.com/uJd86r0h |
| 10:39.21 | ws2k3 | how can i fix this |
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| 10:40.32 | Shadow` | Sw33NY_ |
| 10:40.34 | Shadow` | swatgoss( |
| 10:40.35 | Shadow` | * |
| 10:40.44 | Shadow` | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:40.45 | Shadow` | add |
| 10:40.47 | Shadow` | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera squeeze non-free |
| 10:40.51 | Shadow` | replace squeeze with ur version |
| 10:40.55 | Shadow` | then aptitude update |
| 10:40.59 | Shadow` | aptitude search opera |
| 10:41.18 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: use SSH keys |
| 10:41.30 | Shadow` | with gitosis or something? |
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| 10:41.36 | Shadow` | ye works like .. not at all |
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| 10:42.15 | Shadow` | i've added my desktop pc with ssh key to it, its in authorized_keys and all that stuff, still demands my pw |
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| 10:42.53 | Shadow` | stupid git, worse to setup then svn, still worth it tho.. been a few years last time i did so -.- |
| 10:42.53 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: then your ssh key is not effective... check the permissions, should be 0700 on .ssh and 0600 on authorized_keys |
| 10:43.14 | Shadow` | ye in the git user home folder right? |
| 10:43.25 | swatgoss | Shadow`, ty |
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| 10:51.45 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: well, does your key require a pass phrase? :P |
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| 10:58.26 | head7 | hi, apt-cache search is really slow on my computer, it start some days ago, do you know what I should check ? |
| 10:59.31 | SmokingTux_ | http://pastebin.com/pvv41VJh |
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| 11:00.42 | thewanderer1 | head7: has it been up on Saturday and Sunday last weekend? there was a kernel bug related to leap second handling, and it affected CPU usage badly, slowing everything down. is your CPU usage at 100%? |
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| 11:04.28 | Mimiko | Hello, I have a question about configure and make. Could anyone assists me? |
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| 11:08.52 | kajo | do i risk some damage to the laptop if i totally disable all acpi* daemons and i add "acpi=strinct noapm" in the grub menu ? |
| 11:09.13 | kajo | *acpi=strict |
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| 11:10.24 | kajo | Mimiko: why not just try to write your question? no? |
| 11:11.18 | head7 | thewanderer1: my cpu is ok, (I have reboot my computer since last week end) |
| 11:11.22 | spamoom | Hi All, I'm having a little trouble setting up pptpd, I am semi-confident in navigating unix etc but I can't seem to debug to why it isn't listening on any ports (netstat -anp | grep pptpd) - could someone give me a few pointers to where I could look? :) |
| 11:12.01 | kajo | thewanderer1: what kernel version had that bug ? |
| 11:12.10 | Mimiko | kajo, I was afraid that if people are busy, they will not see my question. |
| 11:12.27 | thewanderer1 | kajo: depends on minor versions |
| 11:12.41 | thewanderer1 | head7: strace the apt-cache and see if it's issuing any syscalls. see the process list, look for hung kernel threads (D or DN for a long time, probably?). also inspect dmesg output. |
| 11:13.47 | kajo | thewanderer1: i use wheezy and i have crash each ~24h , my kernel version: "3.2.0-2-amd64 #1" . is my kernel affected? |
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| 11:14.18 | kajo | Mimiko: just ask your question |
| 11:14.20 | Mimiko | oke. Its more abou compiling and installing. I want to compile a software in such a way that resulting files reside in a specified directory and all the relations beetwen files will be relative, so if after buiding and compiling I change the folder name of the installed software, the software will still find its files by relative path |
| 11:15.11 | thewanderer1 | kajo: at this point, leap seconds are irrelevant if you have rebooted since Sunday. if it crashes, read the error message and see what it is :P |
| 11:15.19 | Mimiko | using --prefix=DIR hardcodes the absolute path, for example, the start binary search its default config by DIR/conf/config.xml |
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| 11:15.59 | Mimiko | how to compile that the file will be searched relatively: ../conf/config.xml ? |
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| 11:16.41 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: relatively to *what*? |
| 11:16.55 | kajo | Mimiko: i think you'll need to pass some variables to the make, like LD_etcetera so it can find the libraries. |
| 11:17.13 | Mimiko | relative to starting binary which is located in bin subfolder |
| 11:17.42 | e-anima | how can i change time. it somehow changes back afer a feew secs, i do date -s "07/06/2013 10:56:40" |
| 11:17.46 | kajo | Mimiko: what software is that? also: maybe you can build it and then package it as a .deb , so you can install/uninstall it using dpkg |
| 11:17.59 | head7 | thewanderer1: it seems to read all lines in /var/lib/list/*Translation* files.. (de, en, fr, etc..) |
| 11:17.59 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: the problem is: the binary has no bloody idea where it is. |
| 11:18.19 | thewanderer1 | head7: well, it could be a case of slow disk and limited RAM... |
| 11:18.30 | Mimiko | kajo, its freeswitch. I didnt learn mutch to do a package do .deb |
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| 11:19.09 | head7 | thewanderer1: I am wondering why I have all this Translation list.. not just the one that I use (en?) |
| 11:19.13 | kajo | thewanderer1: i've read them (syslog) , but it was of no help. btw it seems i have a problem with acpi. i totally disabled it and now i have an uptime of ~38h and still no crash. |
| 11:19.26 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, why not? using `pwd` or some other systems utility to find its current position |
| 11:19.31 | kajo | and that brings the question: |
| 11:19.41 | kajo | do i risk some damage to the laptop if i totally disable all acpi* daemons and i add "acpi=strict noapm" in the grub menu ? |
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| 11:20.13 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: how? why do you assume that the current working directory is in any way connected to the binary's location? |
| 11:20.42 | thewanderer1 | kajo: I |
| 11:20.47 | thewanderer1 | I'd try a newer kernel first |
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| 11:21.08 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, not the current working directory, but the directory of the binary itself |
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| 11:22.22 | Mimiko | I make an analogy of relations bitween files like in windows. where in windows a program may be put in any main directory, and still the executable will find its other files by relative paths to itself |
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| 11:22.41 | head7 | oh.. it seems to be the same bug here : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674690 |
| 11:23.26 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: perform an experiment... write a binary which prints the current working directory, put it in /usr/local/bin, and execute it from bash by name. see what happens and conclude how it applies to your idea of relative paths... |
| 11:23.40 | thewanderer1 | a bash script is fine for this purpose, too |
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| 11:25.54 | euro | hi all |
| 11:26.01 | petan2 | hey |
| 11:26.03 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, dirname "$0" will to the trick |
| 11:26.19 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: will it? |
| 11:26.42 | Shadow` | stupid git and its ssh keys |
| 11:27.00 | Shadow` | no way to let a bash script put the password in there when it bugs me for it? |
| 11:27.29 | euro | I'm new with NFS... I have 10x faster transfer rate from PC1-PC2 compared to PC2-PC1. Is that "normal"? |
| 11:28.07 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, its anough to let relative paths to work |
| 11:28.14 | stew | Shadow`: how are you logging in? ssh? can you use an ssh key with an agent instead? |
| 11:28.18 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: what if you're running it from a symlink? this scheme is really fragile... |
| 11:28.35 | stew | Shadow`: as a last resort there is the GIT_ASKPASS env var |
| 11:28.48 | Shadow` | just disable it? |
| 11:28.48 | Mimiko | whereve is current working dir, starting the binary and using this command and append relative path to its other files will do it |
| 11:28.51 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: how most commercial Linux games handle it is require you to cd to the game dir first, or they provide an installation script which creates a launcher that cd's for you |
| 11:28.53 | Shadow` | its local network dev pc anyways |
| 11:29.18 | Shadow` | old system is on svn, i rather change :P but last time i've setup GIT is 2-3 years ago, meh |
| 11:29.49 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, there are simple script to find the exact place of bash script even starting by symlink from random directory )) |
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| 11:30.35 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, like this: $(dirname $(ls -l "$0" | sed 's/^.* -> \(.*\)$/\1/g' | sed 's/.* \(.*\)$/\1/g')) |
| 11:31.12 | stew | parsing the output of ls -l is folly |
| 11:31.46 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: if it works for you, okay... just don't complain if it breaks one day :P |
| 11:31.58 | Mimiko | its strange that the same software can make use of relative paths in windows, and is really this impossible in linus? |
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| 11:32.28 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, I've found this on internet and it works for most )) |
| 11:32.39 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: right-click a Windows shortcut, select Properties, look at the "execution path"... Windows will cd to it before executing the binary |
| 11:32.56 | thewanderer1 | this is the equivalent of writing a launcher script which cd's for you |
| 11:33.22 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, yes, this is not a problem, can make a start script to cd to the folder in linux too )) |
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| 11:33.36 | Mimiko | and this is what I am willing to do |
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| 11:34.43 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: git is not a problem here - apparently, SSH authentication is :P |
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| 11:35.33 | Mimiko | but if I "configure --prefix=/app1 && make && make install" than rename /app1 to /app2 and cd to /app2, the software will not work as it will look its files in /app1, because it was hardcoded when building by --prefix |
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| 11:38.07 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: in your launcher: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib and the program should pick up, via ld (dynamic loader), the libs by name from ./lib |
| 11:38.18 | stew | dirname $(ls -l "$0" | sed 's/^.* -> \(.*\)$/\1/g' | sed 's/.* \(.*\)$/\1/g') |
| 11:38.25 | stew | this is ridiculous, btw |
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| 11:39.10 | Mimiko | stew, this is working for mips builds as, more complex utilities are not available )) |
| 11:39.11 | stew | its using ls -l becuase whoever wrote it doesn't know about readlink? its assuming that the directory must have a space in the name? (is that right?) |
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| 11:40.12 | thewanderer1 | usually, your custom installer will create the launcher / menu item so that it points to the right directory for execution |
| 11:40.33 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, yes, libs can be redirected like this, but other files which are used by software, like config files, sound files or other a searched absolute path |
| 11:40.39 | stew | Mimiko: readlink is available |
| 11:40.57 | e-anima | changing the date, result: http://pastebin.com/z6eFCb4m what the hell? |
| 11:40.57 | Mimiko | stew, readlink is not implemented by default in OpenWRT builds |
| 11:41.07 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: if they are searched in absolute paths, then it's software-specific and you should modify the software itself to search in different places :P |
| 11:41.18 | stew | i don't know what that means |
| 11:41.41 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, this paths are generated at compile time using configure |
| 11:42.20 | Mimiko | I've seen examples of using configure --prefix=. |
| 11:42.37 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: see what scripts/kind of magic configure uses to generate the full paths, and hack around it, then... I'm not an autoconf expert, can't really do much here |
| 11:42.42 | Mimiko | but this does not work, as nor configure, nor make accepts relative paths |
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| 11:43.45 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, I could trick configure, using \$PWD, or \$\{PWD\}, but after this make complains about relative paths not accepted |
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| 11:43.53 | Mimiko | I will be in a while |
| 11:44.03 | Mimiko | thank you for support |
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| 11:51.28 | Shadow` | kankerlinux |
| 11:51.40 | JeffJohnson | how can i specify with apt-get or aptitude that i want to install a package version >=X? |
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| 11:53.11 | Ephexeve | Hello peeps, I cannot shutdown my laptop running Debian Squeeze, I tried shutding down from the console doesnt work, even using su. sudo halt works fine, but sudo shutdown now or via the gnome2 shutdown popup also nothing, all I get is a black screen! |
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| 11:53.13 | thewanderer1 | JeffJohnson: for equal, just use package=version... newer, no idea, might not be possible directly |
| 11:53.19 | Shadow` | okay, so i've tried to make a working SSH key for GIT a billion times already |
| 11:53.20 | JeffJohnson | thewanderer1: i need >= |
| 11:53.20 | Ephexeve | I hope there is any fix for this |
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| 11:53.28 | Shadow` | it still frigging refuses me and gives me a password field |
| 11:53.40 | Shadow` | why on freaking earth doesnt it just have a "SAVE PASSWORD" option a lá SVN |
| 11:53.42 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: does it work with just ssh? |
| 11:54.02 | Shadow` | no clue |
| 11:54.14 | thewanderer1 | well, try ut |
| 11:54.18 | Shadow` | tortoise's putty differs from my own as it doesnt share config |
| 11:54.26 | Shadow` | but ill try |
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| 11:54.35 | thewanderer1 | PuTTY? hmm, are you on Windows? O.o |
| 11:55.00 | babilen | JeffJohnson: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:55.11 | deuterium | i have problems authenticating with passwords that contain umlauts. without umlauts, it works. any idea? |
| 11:55.12 | Shadow` | ye i work on windows, dev server is debian |
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| 11:55.20 | deuterium | using pam and syslauthd |
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| 11:55.40 | Ephexeve | Anyone? |
| 11:55.41 | JeffJohnson | babilen: install a newer lvm2 version >=2.02.66-5, because the stable version has a bug in the install scripts |
| 11:55.55 | JeffJohnson | babilen: and i dont want to specifiy to use package from testing |
| 11:56.20 | JeffJohnson | babilen: if a version that fits this specification it should be installed from stable else from another repository |
| 11:56.38 | JeffJohnson | babilen: and i would like to specify it to apt-get/aptitude and not use apt_preferences |
| 11:56.48 | Shadow` | just messed up, followed any tutorial i could find, create a id_rsa (most tell me to create it in freaking tortoisegit) but i tried creating it in tortoisegit, move it over and create it with ssh-keygen from the CLI on the debian machine... copy the files to .ssh of the git user.. setup the .ssh/config and all that mumbo jumbo |
| 11:56.50 | Shadow` | BUT IT DOESNT WORK |
| 11:57.01 | babilen | JeffJohnson: So, you are running stable and you run into a bug with lvm 2 (do you have the link to the bts?) ? You then added testing to your sources.list and you now want to pull in a newer lvm2 version? Did I understand that correctly? |
| 11:57.17 | JeffJohnson | babilen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655715 |
| 11:57.19 | JeffJohnson | babilen: yes |
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| 11:57.24 | JeffJohnson | babilen: no |
| 11:57.25 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: try your client software's help resources - it's likely that the client can't initiate proper key auth, but it's outside the scope of this channel |
| 11:57.29 | JeffJohnson | babilen: not exactly :) |
| 11:57.43 | babilen | JeffJohnson: Ok, then please elaborate. |
| 11:57.54 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, I'm back and willing to find more knowledge )) |
| 11:58.01 | Shadow` | yea its the same BS with linux and linux based software, 'cant help you' 'your on your own' 'it should work' |
| 11:58.05 | Shadow` | thanks anyways tho |
| 11:58.10 | JeffJohnson | babilen: im building a script to create a debian live image and have packages.txt file where lvm2 is specified, because of the bug i want to use the specified version and install from stable if possible |
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| 11:58.23 | JeffJohnson | babilen: i dont want also have to maintain the preferences file |
| 11:58.27 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: so I assume the previous hints didn't work, huh? :P |
| 11:58.41 | Shadow` | waiting for server 2012 and i hope to god i NEVER have to touch linux again |
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| 11:59.45 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, yup. Just using LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not enough. As I described, after compiling with --prefix=/app1, changing that final directory to /app2 will break software normal working |
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| 12:00.06 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`: I really can't help you with a Windows program just because I don't know the platform and the client software you're using, that's it |
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| 12:01.15 | Mimiko | If the software have some command line option to specify base dir it would help, but unfortunally it compiles with absolute paths |
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| 12:01.47 | Mimiko | and this is more for using options for configure and make, which I am a newbe |
| 12:02.32 | babilen | JeffJohnson: And you also don't want udev? |
| 12:02.55 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: I see no other solution than to track down how the paths find their way into the final source code that gets compiled, find what generates the paths, and hack that part.. you might want to ask in an autoconf-related channel |
| 12:02.58 | babilen | JeffJohnson: (cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543163) |
| 12:03.24 | Mimiko | thewanderer1 |
| 12:03.47 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, where I can find the autoconf related channel? |
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| 12:04.29 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: it's GNU software, so try #gnu as a hub and they may be able to direct you |
| 12:04.54 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, thank you, I will try there too |
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| 12:10.55 | JeffJohnson | babilen: fixed in 2.02.84-3 |
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| 12:13.50 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, yes, I know about this, but it will be wonderfull if it searchi in ./lib automatically |
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| 12:15.10 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: that's a matter for LD_LIBRARY_PATH, doesn't depend on the binary itself AFAIK |
| 12:15.38 | LordShiva | Is there anyone knowledgeable with linux sound system ? |
| 12:15.51 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 12:15.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:16.04 | deuterium | hia. any idea what might be the reason if i can authenticate through cyrus->saslauthd->pam if the password contains no umlauts only? |
| 12:16.17 | LordShiva | I have installed new installation and have problem with sound |
| 12:17.16 | LordShiva | Sound is just noise distorted to that point that it cant be listen to |
| 12:17.18 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, but there are others folders, which are needed by software. specifying it in command line is something redundant, as the same way it works in windows |
| 12:17.46 | LordShiva | I didnt have problem on my earlier install on same machine |
| 12:18.08 | LordShiva | what settings should I check ? |
| 12:18.38 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: the other folders are software-dependent and you need to look at the code to know how it determines those paths |
| 12:19.04 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, configure sets those paths using --prefix |
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| 12:19.35 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: hack the configure script, then! :P |
| 12:20.06 | LordShiva | audio device is 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller (rev 01) |
| 12:20.07 | LordShiva | Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Device a132 |
| 12:20.07 | LordShiva | Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16 |
| 12:20.07 | LordShiva | Memory at fe020000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] |
| 12:20.07 | LordShiva | Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 |
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| 12:20.15 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, I could do it by spending a lot of time, but on next git clone, this configure file will be rewriten (( |
| 12:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | . |
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| 12:21.24 | LordShiva | lspci -v part that is about audio http://pastebin.com/csjskKCA |
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| 12:21.32 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: http://devblog.avdi.org/2011/05/20/keep-local-modifications-in-git-tracked-files/ ? |
| 12:21.48 | thewanderer1 | nobody said porting software like that would be simple :P |
| 12:22.32 | nebukad | hi. n00bquestion. how do i update my 6.0.5 Debian kernel 2.6.32 to 3.0 the easiest way |
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| 12:22.48 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, I didn't hope to be simple, but to be ever possible not the latest hard way )) |
| 12:23.07 | nebukad | b/c i have this Asus E35M board and i think the power consumtion is too high. wnated to see if the newer kernel changes something |
| 12:23.22 | nebukad | consumption |
| 12:23.24 | thewanderer1 | !tell nebukad about backports |
| 12:23.40 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, using --skip-worktree is good, but if ./configure script are updated by software developers, in next update configure will fail |
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| 12:23.55 | nebukad | :) |
| 12:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 12:23.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.20-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 12:24.02 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: yes, it does require some manual work |
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| 12:24.20 | thewanderer1 | sorry, I haven't got a better idea at the moment :P |
| 12:24.51 | jhutchins_lt | Mimiko: Keep a copy outside of the tree. |
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| 12:25.13 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, using manual hacking of ./configure are not a good thing, as in future I will definately forget about what needs to be changed )) |
| 12:25.17 | vizzy_work | hi, where can i get a list of all update-alternatives --config something options? |
| 12:25.24 | vizzy_work | e.g. change wm, change editor, etc |
| 12:25.43 | vizzy_work | and why does /etc/kdm start tell me its not the default? maybe i dont want the default today :) |
| 12:25.50 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, it seems I will have to stick whith command line option to redirect folders |
| 12:26.17 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: many projects choose to let you specify locations... most servers, in particular |
| 12:26.33 | thewanderer1 | (mongod -f /etc/mongo.conf or sth like that) |
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| 12:27.12 | vizzy_work | and how can i change gdm3 to xdm? changing default-windowsmanager in /etc/X11 is not very useful |
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| 12:27.51 | Mimiko | thewanderer1, yes, but there might be folders which dont have options in command line, and which can cause problems. It is up to developers to allow much of the folders to have options to redefine them |
| 12:27.54 | Shadow` | theres a desktop window manager |
| 12:28.42 | Shadow` | can just easily pick a different one, but should also be able to do it at the login screen (at least i remember older debians having a select DWM option in login screen) |
| 12:28.44 | vizzy_work | Shadow`: i like to change gdm3 to kdm or xdm, and i like to use something like kdm but not gnome, and all on demand, not only the defaults |
| 12:29.00 | vizzy_work | Shadow`: no select for wm in gdm3 |
| 12:29.12 | vizzy_work | and debian! dont let me start up kdm |
| 12:29.18 | vizzy_work | which has a wm chooser |
| 12:29.19 | thewanderer1 | Mimiko: exactly. you can consider yourself a developer now and send in a patch to allow specifying config file locations at runtime :P |
| 12:29.21 | Shadow` | ye i had same issue at first |
| 12:29.27 | boudiccas | vizzy_work: you change this when you login, click your name and look at the bottom of the screen and change from gnome to whatever |
| 12:29.28 | Shadow` | but then i found something, let me check |
| 12:29.28 | LordShiva | my lspci -v |
| 12:29.30 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/kBcD2rCy |
| 12:29.34 | vizzy_work | squeeze is a bit a pain, i love lenny |
| 12:29.55 | vizzy_work | boudiccas: no, there is nothing to choose from, only accesibility settings etc |
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| 12:30.53 | vizzy_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.11 | Shadow` | ye i had the same, took me a while to get kde to work |
| 12:31.20 | vizzy_work | who is the boss on my computer? ;-) |
| 12:31.25 | Shadow` | there was this desktop window manager thing, that allowed me to pick gnome or kde |
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| 12:31.43 | jhutchins_lt | vizzy_work: The guy who read the documentation and knows what's actually going on. |
| 12:31.43 | vizzy_work | it isnt there in gnome gdm login screen |
| 12:31.44 | MaxFrames | what does the "non-free" parameter mean in sources.list? |
| 12:31.58 | jhutchins_lt | !non-free |
| 12:31.59 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 12:32.19 | vizzy_work | ? |
| 12:32.47 | Shadow` | hold on vizzy_work |
| 12:32.54 | Shadow` | im checking what that thing is called again |
| 12:32.55 | Shadow` | forgot |
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| 12:33.13 | MaxFrames | if I have "...squeeze main contrib non-free" as opposed to "...squeeze main contrib", it means I will get all the contrib packages _plus_ the non free ones, right? |
| 12:33.25 | Shadow` | u need a seperate line for both |
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| 12:33.31 | stew | MaxFrames: yes |
| 12:33.35 | vizzy_work | jhutchins_lt: first i saked for a list of options for update-alternatives, so if you have a docu link, give it to me :) |
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| 12:33.48 | MaxFrames | Shadow`, stew: who's right? |
| 12:34.13 | MaxFrames | because right now I only have lines with "non-free" and all seems to be working |
| 12:34.16 | thewanderer1 | MaxFrames: "main contrib non-free" on one line is perfectly valid |
| 12:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | vizzy_work: That's not the mechanism that manages the dm. |
| 12:34.47 | vizzy_work | jhutchins_lt: what mechanism then? |
| 12:34.51 | Shadow` | MaxFrames stew |
| 12:35.06 | Shadow` | i thought u needed both :P but he usually knows more about debian =p |
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| 12:36.17 | MaxFrames | ok |
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| 12:36.46 | PaulePanter | I know there is debootstrap and stuff, but I want to use the Debian Installer from a running system. |
| 12:37.06 | PaulePanter | Is that possible? The disk to install Debian on is plugged in. |
| 12:37.20 | PaulePanter | … as a second disk. |
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| 12:37.50 | vizzy_work | rofl, gnome system configuratir let me choose windowmanager settings, and it tells me its kdm, wtf? muahahahahaha |
| 12:39.09 | Shadow` | cant seem to find it atm vizzy_work but try http://superuser.com/questions/376107/how-change-the-default-desktop-manager-in-debian |
| 12:39.39 | Shadow` | theres a tool somewhere in the repository that gives you a list of installed window managers to pick from and after relogin it switches it |
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| 12:40.19 | vizzy_work | Shadow`: thx, that helps, i have to dplg-reconfigure, however, very weird mechanism here :) |
| 12:40.43 | Shadow` | ye, old debian sarge or something, had a window manager selector at login |
| 12:40.48 | vizzy_work | and then for the wm, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager, great |
| 12:40.51 | Shadow` | current release didnt |
| 12:40.57 | vizzy_work | yepp |
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| 12:42.02 | vizzy_work | less freedom that before, imho ,-) |
| 12:43.46 | vizzy_work | ctrl+alt+backspace wont restart x (anymore)? |
| 12:44.28 | LordShiva | debian is compiled without ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 12:44.50 | Shadow` | oh god..why? |
| 12:44.59 | LordShiva | sound ppl around ? |
| 12:45.02 | epsilon | you can change it |
| 12:45.12 | Shadow` | ye by compiling your own debian? |
| 12:45.18 | vizzy_work | i think i should use lenny |
| 12:45.29 | vizzy_work | stable, kde3, and freezed |
| 12:45.34 | Shadow` | im on sid due to intel drivers being crap in stable |
| 12:45.41 | epsilon | actually it's just the keyboard configuration, you can enable it |
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| 12:45.47 | vizzy_work | but works like a charm also on somewhat older notebooks :) |
| 12:46.18 | vizzy_work | Shadow`: intel grc drivers? taht would explain why my resolution is so small |
| 12:46.55 | Shadow` | couldnt get them working on stable if my life depended on it :P |
| 12:47.01 | Shadow` | tried individually use sid's packages |
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| 12:47.18 | vizzy_work | k |
| 12:47.25 | stew | they work great for me |
| 12:47.26 | Shadow` | after half an hour of going through those, i just changed my sources.list and did a aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 12:47.27 | Shadow` | :P |
| 12:47.40 | vizzy_work | im going back to lenny! |
| 12:47.55 | bassliner | back and forth, forth and back. |
| 12:48.00 | bassliner | it's just a jump to the left! |
| 12:48.06 | Shadow` | linux sure keeps people busy :D |
| 12:48.07 | bassliner | put your hands on your hip! |
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| 12:48.16 | boudiccas | vizzy_work: you'll get no support with new or updated software |
| 12:48.28 | vizzy_work | boudiccas: i know |
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| 12:48.35 | Shadow` | there is barely any support on stable either anyways |
| 12:48.36 | vizzy_work | but it just works out of the box |
| 12:48.39 | bassliner | Shadow`: yes, windows does that as well, but the amound of "i don't have a fucking clue what i'm doing" is A BIT higher there. |
| 12:48.43 | Shadow` | doubt theres a big difference :P |
| 12:49.09 | Shadow` | weird, i have no issues on windows setting up pretty much anything |
| 12:49.33 | Shadow` | every now and then i jump into the black hole of timeconsume called linux :D |
| 12:49.42 | stew | Shadow`: did you file bugs about your problems with then intel drivers? |
| 12:49.50 | stew | Shadow`: do you have the bug numbers handy? |
| 12:49.59 | babilen | !tell Shadow` -about bdo xorg |
| 12:50.01 | bassliner | Shadow`: i really don't see what's so time-consuming there. once you got it set up it's smooth sail. |
| 12:50.38 | babilen | Shadow`: You can quite easily install backported Xorg (and kernel) packages from http://backports.debian.org fwiw |
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| 12:50.42 | vizzy_work | bassliner: changin gtextfiles, using cryptic commands to change wm, instead of just call /etc/init.d is a pain |
| 12:51.06 | Shadow` | bassliner ye i came to that point a few times, then there was a distr upgrade |
| 12:51.16 | Shadow` | and its 'go to jail, do not pass start' situation |
| 12:51.27 | vizzy_work | who decides if soemthing is default or not? i dont care, if i type in kdm, it shoukld just start, not mention about: debian devs say im not the default |
| 12:51.45 | bassliner | vizzy_work: eh what |
| 12:52.00 | Shadow` | dont get why such a feature is removed from debian to begin with, what was wrong with the window manager switcher at login screen ;/ |
| 12:52.17 | vizzy_work | Shadow`: it was freedomnes |
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| 12:52.22 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, I am using debian squeeze, But i need Python 2.7 for work |
| 12:52.27 | bassliner | vizzy_work: defining my wm is as simple as vim ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:52.33 | Ephexeve | since ther is nothing in the source of debian, is there any way |
| 12:52.34 | Ephexeve | ? |
| 12:52.34 | Shadow` | hehe vizzy_work =p |
| 12:52.35 | rozie | Ephexeve: backports? |
| 12:52.47 | Ephexeve | rozie: Not there :/ |
| 12:52.54 | Shadow` | bassliner oh ye i tried replacing gdm with kde to on stable, did not work |
| 12:52.54 | rozie | but IIRC Python is PITA to be backported |
| 12:52.59 | vizzy_work | bassliner, i want kdm to start, and even dpkg-reconfigure kdm/gdm wont help |
| 12:53.02 | vizzy_work | thats weird. |
| 12:53.02 | Shadow` | havent tried on sid tho |
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| 12:53.24 | Ephexeve | downloading from the source works, I can build it, but then I have a few problems with apt-get for example, when trying to install something that used Python is asks is python the default or something like that |
| 12:53.25 | Shadow` | i doubt ppl use fresh installs here, they all just dist-upgrade, so they keep their old config/apps and what not vizzy_work |
| 12:53.30 | bassliner | vizzy_work: i'm using arch linux on desktops. |
| 12:53.33 | bassliner | so no idea. |
| 12:53.34 | kajo | Mimiko: so dont use "--prefix=/app1" try using "--prefix=./" instead |
| 12:53.35 | vizzy_work | Ephexeve: the best way to have multiple py versions is to roll your own |
| 12:54.06 | Ephexeve | vizzy_work: "roll my own" What you mean? |
| 12:54.29 | vizzy_work | Ephexeve: grab a tgz , or compile py for your needs in whatever version :) thats how i do it |
| 12:56.26 | stew | Ephexeve: instally python somewhere in $HOME so that it doesn't at all interact with the system's python |
| 12:56.28 | kajo | e-anima: try "date --set "Do Jun 23 etc etc " |
| 12:56.36 | e-anima | i got it. |
| 12:56.46 | stew | Ephexeve: you DO NOT want to mess with /usr/bin/python |
| 12:56.56 | e-anima | it appears that virtuelbox is syncing the time with the host system. wtf :) |
| 12:58.01 | Ephexeve | vizzy_work: I have done this, but have you noticed when you install I have some problem with the update, works fine though, I just get a little warning |
| 12:58.15 | stew | Ephexeve: what is the warning? |
| 12:58.50 | Ephexeve | stew: Yes, I installed python2.7 in /opt, and added a ln -s to usr/bin/python2.7 |
| 12:59.44 | Ephexeve | stew: Don't remember right now, something like "warning: Python 2.7 is the default? (using python26)" Something like that |
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| 13:00.02 | vizzy_work | rofl, wtf? if gdm3 is the default login manager, dpkg-reconfigure kdm and choose kdm has no effect, and vice vera, instead dpkg-reconfigure [current-login manager] e.g. gdm3 in my case, will chage it to kdm if choosen.... |
| 13:00.20 | kajo | Ephexeve: try: cat /proc/cmdline , to see if there's " noapm " in it |
| 13:00.22 | vizzy_work | lol, thats really funny and unintuitive *g maybe a bug? |
| 13:00.34 | stew | Ephexeve: well if you want help with that, tell us the actual warning |
| 13:01.10 | vizzy_work | but kdm tells still its not the default. ok i give up here, maybe i should reboot? reinstall? |
| 13:01.15 | kajo | Ephexeve: also, there's the wheel group. i think that if your user is not part of that grup then that user cant reboot/shutdown |
| 13:01.29 | vizzy_work | and now gdm wont start too |
| 13:01.32 | vizzy_work | whooot |
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| 13:02.34 | kajo | Shadow`: what is "server 2012" ? o.O |
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| 13:02.50 | stew | Ephexeve: and you really should be using /usr/local not /usr |
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| 13:03.25 | Ephexeve | stew: Ok, next time I get the warning I will paste it here! |
| 13:03.51 | Ephexeve | kajo: I cannot post the output righht now because I am on the laptop whcih i just installed I have no python 2.7 yet, I have this problem in my desktop |
| 13:03.58 | stew | kajo: debian ignores the wheel group by default |
| 13:04.13 | vizzy_work | Shadow`: i would really love to use my laptop at work, but unfortunately its not allowed, ... but im allowed to choose the os of my choice, and everything would be cooler than become a windows 7 slave, or? so, install a fresh one is the only option |
| 13:04.14 | Ephexeve | stew: I will install Python 2.7 now for a test and I will post you the output |
| 13:04.25 | Ephexeve | kajo: about the wheel group, I have added alredy, nothing |
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| 13:04.50 | kajo | Mimiko: to find a channel use "/query alis list *autoconf*" |
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| 13:06.04 | vizzy_work | k, fresh squeeze netinstall -> blacklist |
| 13:06.08 | vizzy_work | next one :) |
| 13:06.40 | kajo | Mimiko: try to edit ./configure and/or ./Makefile |
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| 13:08.44 | Ephexeve | stew: Following this would do? https://gist.github.com/1069219 |
| 13:10.07 | kajo | nebukad: i have another kind of laptop and i've noticed that switching from squeeze to wheezy the power consume is halfed (autonomy was 1.30 h with squeeze 2.6.* kernel, now it is almost 3h with wheezy 3.2.* kernel) |
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| 13:10.17 | LordShiva | hi stew |
| 13:10.48 | LordShiva | do you maybe have idea how to fix crankcling distorted sound on my new installation ? |
| 13:11.18 | Mimiko | kajo, the whing is that even editing ./configure or ./Makefile, 'make' will complain about relative paths |
| 13:11.32 | nebukad | kajo, nice. here its not a laptop but a mini ITX board for my NAS |
| 13:11.42 | kajo | Mimiko: to avoid to forget changes just use comments in the file ( "#" ) |
| 13:12.04 | LordShiva | Goddamn it i think if I dont fix this soon I'm gonna change distribution for this machine |
| 13:12.08 | Ephexeve | kajo: https://gist.github.com/1069219 do you recomend just following this? Or is there anything wrong? |
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| 13:12.59 | AlexKuroAshi | ciao |
| 13:13.02 | AlexKuroAshi | !list |
| 13:13.02 | dpkg | alexkuroashi: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 13:13.02 | LordShiva | how to fix noise on my machine sound is distorted totally it have some weird echo's |
| 13:13.20 | LordShiva | I'm in audio group |
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| 13:13.41 | LordShiva | and I have checked and muted all mics and any other inputs |
| 13:13.47 | kajo | vizzy_work: "dpkg-reconfigure something" (where something is maybe "desktop-manager" or "x-desktop-manager" or something similar) |
| 13:13.50 | Mimiko | kajo, I can use ./configure --prefix=$PWD, or ./configure --prefix=\$\{PWD\}, but 'make' complains about relative paths are not allowed |
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| 13:14.19 | LordShiva | I tried with alsa with pulseaudio its same |
| 13:14.28 | vixus | What is going on? I switch on my laptop today and the wireless device has just vanished! |
| 13:15.04 | kajo | vizzy_work: gdm3 let you choose between different *wm* (wm != dm ) |
| 13:15.04 | vixus | why all the hating on my wireless? |
| 13:15.14 | stew | vixus: call the cops. don't touch anything until they dust for fingerprints |
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| 13:15.35 | vixus | stew: ok, i'm trying to stay calm. but I feel violated.. |
| 13:15.52 | stew | they should recommend a counselor |
| 13:16.06 | stew | Ephexeve: I don't see anything glaringly wrong with that |
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| 13:16.26 | Ephexeve | stew: Me neither, was wondering if this is the RIGHT way to install python 2.7 |
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| 13:16.54 | kajo | vizzy_work: you need to "/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop" before using "/etc/init.d/kdm start" |
| 13:16.59 | stew | Ephexeve: the right way is to say "where have we gone wrong that python 2.6 is the current in stable, but somehow I require 2.7" |
| 13:17.45 | boudiccas | vixus: how about giving us some facts about the situation? like, what version, what wireless card etc |
| 13:17.58 | stew | vizzy_work: what does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" return? |
| 13:18.47 | vixus | boudiccas: sure. rtl8188ce chip, was running fine yesterday on compiled rtl8192ce driver from realtek. firmware-realtek package installed (though it does nothing). card works fine in windows. linux cannot find a wlan0 device. |
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| 13:19.25 | thewanderer1 | vixus: maybe the module is not loaded? |
| 13:19.35 | vixus | thewanderer1: It's listed in lsmod |
| 13:19.41 | thewanderer1 | hmm okay |
| 13:19.42 | boudiccas | vixus: not enough, what version? squeeze, wheezy, sid, lenny? |
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| 13:20.06 | stew | vixus: unload the module, reload it, check dmesg |
| 13:20.19 | Ephexeve | stew: hehehe |
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| 13:20.49 | vixus | boudiccas: some horrible combination of wheezy and sid possibly |
| 13:20.55 | kajo | vizzy_work: Shadow` , LOL . kee in mind that "window manager" is *not* the same as "desktop-manager" |
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| 13:21.27 | boudiccas | vixus: then all bets are off! you need to reinstall one and stick with it and dont mix repos |
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| 13:22.06 | stew | mixing testing and sid shouldn't be more of a problem than running testing or sid. in fact, running either may at times require mixing stuff from the other |
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| 13:22.40 | vixus | boudiccas: i've been doing fine with mixing repos all this time. |
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| 13:23.05 | boudiccas | vixus till now |
| 13:23.09 | stew | mixing stable with non-stable is a problem. testing and unstable shouldn't be (besides the fact that either might be horribly broken) |
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| 13:23.46 | vixus | stew: ok, reloading worked |
| 13:23.53 | vixus | stew: and survived a reboot |
| 13:24.03 | vixus | stew: but I'm not sure what caused the initial issue |
| 13:24.25 | stew | i have to unload and reload my wireless drivers once a week or so, for who knows what reason |
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| 13:24.34 | stew | i'll blame the non-free firmware :( |
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| 13:24.48 | vixus | stew: so there is a need for religion after all! |
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| 13:24.58 | vixus | :D |
| 13:25.28 | vixus | stew: i hate my wireless hardware anyway. it only likes connecting to certain networks |
| 13:25.29 | stew | the devil will take the form of an ordinary firmware file. but he is deceptive, do not believe his lies |
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| 13:30.26 | gnexus | hello. I would like to announce that we have just released full bootable 4GBSD card Debian images which will work on most Allwinner A10 devices |
| 13:30.59 | colo-work | gnexus, that sounds great, I have two tablets based on that platform! |
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| 13:31.08 | colo-work | where can I fetch the images? |
| 13:31.24 | gnexus | you can find the Debian image at http://a10linux.org/ |
| 13:32.04 | colo-work | cool, will have a look for sure! :) |
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| 13:32.44 | gnexus | the included packages take up most of the 4GB SD image. So it would be best to write it to an 8GB sd card. |
| 13:32.53 | colo-work | will have to find out how/if it can boot from SD though |
| 13:32.54 | stew | gnexus: where can I download the source? |
| 13:33.13 | Shadow` | thats it, git server is available for windows! no reason to use linux anymore, im freed! FREE! \o/ |
| 13:33.18 | gnexus | stew: source? |
| 13:33.29 | gnexus | debian.org. . . |
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| 13:33.43 | stew | gnexus: yes, a lot of the software which you are spamming us about requires you to make the source code availalbe |
| 13:33.58 | Mimiko | Shadow`, you can now compile windows system from scratch??? ))) |
| 13:34.14 | gnexus | stew: I am NOT spamming. . . |
| 13:34.31 | gnexus | I am just informing people of what is available |
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| 13:34.43 | stew | gnexus: yes. a log of the software which you are making unsolicited advertisements about requires you to make the source code available |
| 13:34.49 | gnexus | if you want the source for the packages go to debain |
| 13:35.25 | gnexus | if you want the source for the kernel the location is at the link above |
| 13:35.43 | gnexus | is that sufficient for you? |
| 13:35.47 | stew | gnexus: no, its not |
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| 13:35.59 | gnexus | stew: so what do you want then? |
| 13:36.07 | stew | the source |
| 13:36.22 | gnexus | i just told you where the source is. . . |
| 13:36.23 | boudiccas | gnexus: the only link is this that you have posted ... http://a10linux.org/ |
| 13:37.13 | gnexus | kernel source: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner |
| 13:37.27 | gnexus | happy now? |
| 13:38.12 | kajo | Ephexeve: they told you to *not* install python 2.7 on the system, to prevent interference with the old version, so avoid "make install" , just build it with make and when you need python2.7 go to the right dir ( in ~/ ) and use it by using "./python2.7" (or "./python" ) |
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| 13:39.09 | stew | gnexus: where is this documented on the site? |
| 13:39.18 | kajo | Ephexeve: for the 'wheel problem' try to check /proc/cmdline. If it contains " noapm " you have apm disabled and that's why you cant shutdown. |
| 13:39.26 | gnexus | stew: kernel? |
| 13:39.59 | stew | gnexus: i don't understand your question |
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| 13:40.18 | gnexus | stew: where is what documented? |
| 13:40.30 | boudiccas | gnexus: not just the kernel, all of the source for the software that you're telling us about |
| 13:40.44 | Ephexeve | kajo: There is not noapm there; BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=b45c62a2-6074-4562-aeb1-bc8d2c174829 ro quiet |
| 13:41.03 | stew | gnexus: how I get the source code to the GPL licensed software you are redistributing in object form? |
| 13:41.16 | gnexus | the kernel is at the link above, the debian comes from debbootstrap. . . |
| 13:42.03 | gnexus | so if you want the source for debian go to debian.org |
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| 13:42.27 | kajo | stew: hey! i dont have /etc/X11/default-display-manager file . wtf? o.O |
| 13:42.36 | stew | gnexus: no, i want the source to the stuff distributed at a10linux.org |
| 13:42.48 | cerettala_ | I want X to die already |
| 13:43.03 | cerettala_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-cnaJoGCw |
| 13:43.06 | cerettala_ | ^very good watch |
| 13:43.18 | boudiccas | cerettala_: spam |
| 13:43.32 | cerettala_ | NO GOOD VERY GOOD WATCH NOW BUY PENIS PILL |
| 13:43.45 | cerettala_ | also: relevant |
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| 13:43.59 | gnexus | stew: I will post links to the debian sources eventually - please give me time to do so. This is a very small project which has just begun. . . |
| 13:44.35 | stew | gnexus: so i can download the sources from debian, run some command, and get the same image that you are distributing? |
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| 13:46.15 | gnexus | stew: yes. once the kernel has booted the system you can use debbootstrap and apt-get to create the entire image that is being distributed. |
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| 13:46.38 | stew | gnexus: ok, I have all that, what command do I run? |
| 13:47.02 | boudiccas | gnexus: so why bother reinventing the wheel then? doesn't make sense! |
| 13:47.12 | gnexus | stew: it is more than one command |
| 13:47.24 | stew | gnexus: do you have a script that builds it? or do you build it by hand? |
| 13:48.07 | gnexus | boudiccas: we are just trying to make the platform easier to use |
| 13:48.47 | gnexus | stew: we will be creating and posting build scripts shortly that will allow you to create an image from scratch |
| 13:49.25 | gnexus | stew: this first attempt had to be done by hand. |
| 13:49.55 | gnexus | the project just started. . . |
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| 13:50.36 | gnexus | ...and we need more people to assist us. That is why I posted the SD images. |
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| 13:52.47 | stew | "Easily accessible root password (the password is "password") |
| 13:52.50 | stew | One user account created (user) with a blank password (warning: the blank password is a security risk - change it!) " |
| 13:52.59 | stew | hah, so the blank password is a security risk?!? |
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| 13:53.38 | vixus | stew: no one would ever guess that someone would use a blank password -- best security ever |
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| 13:54.37 | gnexus | vixus: ;) |
| 13:55.05 | gnexus | vixus: it was not easy creating a blank password. . . |
| 13:55.50 | vixus | gnexus: good security takes effort |
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| 13:56.53 | vixus | what is a good utility for backing up my home directory to an external drive? |
| 13:56.57 | gnexus | vixus: lots of effort... |
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| 13:57.08 | SpComb | vixus: rsync |
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| 13:57.16 | gnexus | vixus: tar |
| 13:57.24 | SpComb | vixus: unless you use FAT on the drive |
| 13:57.30 | cuit | Hi, I've changed all my apt sources from squeeze to wheezy, wheezy-updates doesn't work but that only exists for stable right? |
| 13:58.09 | gnexus | vixus: "tar -c --one-file-system -f - -C / . | tar xvf - -C /mnt/misc " |
| 13:58.14 | vixus | SpComb: ntfs |
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| 13:58.38 | vixus | gnexus: can you explain that to me? ;) |
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| 13:59.10 | SpComb | vixus: rsync might not work perfectly then |
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| 14:00.28 | gnexus | vixus: that is a "tar pipe" it simply takes the contents of one dir and copies it exactly to another |
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| 14:01.16 | vixus | gnexus: i see its compressing before the pipe and extracting after but what is the "- -C" for? |
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| 14:01.30 | gnexus | vixus: just change the "/" and the "/mnt/misc" to the proper locations |
| 14:02.04 | gnexus | vixus: it is not compressing - just creating |
| 14:02.40 | gnexus | vixus: man tar explains the switches |
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| 14:02.56 | vixus | gnexus: oh yeah, i meant tarballing :p |
| 14:03.05 | gnexus | vixus: the tar pipe can also be used over networks |
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| 14:04.03 | vixus | gnexus: that's pretty cool. thanks |
| 14:04.19 | gnexus | vixus: n/p |
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| 14:12.03 | TensaiNiNaru | My server has crashed two times last two weeks and I have looked through syslog, messages and debug without finding anything special. Was thinking of using some hardware diagnostic tool to check hardware health. Is there any tool you could recomment ? |
| 14:12.29 | TensaiNiNaru | recommend* |
| 14:12.55 | excalibr | the option "dev/nodev" in mount cmd, does it affect symlinks/hardlinks? |
| 14:13.17 | excalibr | it says "interpret/do not interpret character or block special devices" |
| 14:13.26 | stew | TensaiNiNaru: memtest86+ |
| 14:14.09 | TensaiNiNaru | thx stew will check out out! |
| 14:14.17 | cuit | Do backport packages update along with the rest of the system with apt-get upgrade and uninstall the same way? |
| 14:14.17 | TensaiNiNaru | check it out* |
| 14:14.59 | stew | cuit: yes. but don't rely on packages from backports to be updated with any freqency |
| 14:15.21 | cuit | stew: thanks |
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| 14:21.01 | isoman2kx | womp |
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| 14:22.46 | ix | I need to set up a web server that is only going to serve a small number of files to the local network (for diskless booting). Any software recommendations? |
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| 14:27.48 | ksk | ix: does not matter in that usecase |
| 14:28.02 | ksk | but diskless booting sounds more like a pxe stack to me |
| 14:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, PXEboot has nothing to do with HTTP. |
| 14:28.24 | ix | True, but I'm trying out booting over HTTP with iPXE. |
| 14:28.40 | jhutchins_lt | ix: Link? |
| 14:28.56 | jhutchins_lt | The only methods I know use tftp. |
| 14:29.12 | dkr | ix: thttpd? |
| 14:29.13 | ix | jhutchins_lt: http://ipxe.org/ |
| 14:29.33 | ix | dkr: I'll check it out, thanks :) |
| 14:29.59 | ix | I already have a running (and rather intricate) setup with TFTP and NFS. |
| 14:29.59 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd. |
| 14:30.17 | jhutchins_lt | ix: I just installed ltsp and that works for what I need. |
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| 14:31.49 | ix | This is for a simulator setup with ~25 clients running our self-developed software... It currently works, but I'm told there are some issues relating to TFTP. I don't work here daily, so I am testing other solutions which my colleagues might be more familiar with. :-) |
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| 14:33.52 | dkr | ix: are you named after the planet in Dune? :) |
| 14:34.16 | ix | We're using the old "diskless" package from etch, so a redo is in order. I'm currently looking at some solution with oneSIS, HTTP and Lustre. |
| 14:34.21 | ix | dkr: Yup :-) |
| 14:34.36 | dkr | ix: cool. coincidentally, ix is the hostname of the machine I am on |
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| 14:35.43 | ix | dkr: Good taste! ;-) |
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| 14:39.35 | thewanderer1 | ix: dhttpd should work for really small files, even thinner than thttpd :) |
| 14:40.09 | thewanderer1 | (although I'd first try debugging the TFTP problems - who knows, maybe they're an indication of something altogether more dangerous going n) |
| 14:40.39 | karlpinc | Fix what you know is broken is always a good idea. |
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| 14:41.21 | karlpinc | ix: And here I thought you were named after the xml include namespace. :) |
| 14:41.59 | ix | Yeah. Last time it failed it was due to jumbogram fragmentation. |
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| 14:42.31 | ix | Also atftpd isn't very cooperative when it comes to serving files on several networks and that. |
| 14:42.42 | thewanderer1 | uh, fragmentation in LAN is never a good thing |
| 14:43.17 | thewanderer1 | but use whatever works, I guess :P |
| 14:43.19 | ix | Tell me about it. ;p |
| 14:43.39 | ix | I didn't misconfigure the switches though. I just work here during the summer and whenever something is on fire. |
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| 14:45.46 | ix | thewanderer1: thanks for the tip! |
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| 14:50.58 | kephra | is it possible to tell debian NOT to (re)start services when they are installed with apt ( because its a chroot debootstrap ) ? |
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| 14:53.25 | karlpinc | kephra: It would be somewhere in debconf, if it exists. I _believe_ it's per-package though, and when it exists if it exists you get the option to ask before restarting. Can't be more help but this should tell you where to look. (You could also tell us why restarts are a problem and see if we have suggestions.) |
| 14:53.54 | stew | kephra: use policy-rc.d |
| 14:54.14 | stew | kephra: finding documentation for that might be a bit of a scavenger hunt |
| 14:54.26 | kephra | karlpinc, e.g. the chroot contains mysql, and the real host also - then (re)start of mysql in the chroot will break because of port number conflict |
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| 14:54.32 | stew | kephra: but, for instance, pbuilder uses it to make sure that services aren't started in build chroots |
| 14:55.23 | sney | I'd imagine there would be a dpkg option for that as well |
| 14:56.15 | stew | i'm pretty sure there isn't |
| 14:56.23 | karlpinc | kephra: You could use a <lxc> container instead of a chroot, possibly, as a way to avoid port conflicts. |
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| 14:57.37 | karlpinc | kephra: I found this: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz It may or may not be helpful. |
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| 14:58.02 | SharkMuttleworth | kephra: Can't you just fix this after the restart - or is it a very critical system? |
| 14:58.05 | stew | ah, excellent, there actually is documentation for it |
| 14:58.37 | karlpinc | didn't even know it existed. I'll have to rtfm, when I've time. |
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| 14:59.01 | stew | yeah, so just having /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d always return 101 would disable all init scripts |
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| 14:59.40 | kephra | SharkMuttleworth, its even before start - debootstrap chroot |
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| 15:04.47 | osfd | Hi there, I compiled kicad from sources in order to get a recent version. The soft is quite unstable whereas it's supposed to be a mature one. Any chance to have some info about compil ? |
| 15:05.20 | sney | !sns |
| 15:05.20 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 15:05.33 | karlpinc | osfd: For some options see: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 15:06.00 | karlpinc | osfd: Or at least a general overview. |
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| 15:07.34 | osfd | karlpinc: I think more about specific option to kicad... |
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| 15:08.32 | madtux | hi to everyone |
| 15:08.59 | SharkMuttleworth | osfd: Are you certain the instability is from your compile, rather than bugs in the latest release? |
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| 15:09.17 | madtux | guys how I can setup a different couple of ssh-keys for each group of server? |
| 15:09.23 | karlpinc | osfd: If it's not in <backports> you could backport it yourself. See the <ssb> factoid. (The judd bot can also tell you how many requirements will also need to be backported, but I forget how.) |
| 15:09.48 | madtux | I mean I want to access to the remote server from my laptop but when I create the second key for the second group of server |
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| 15:09.50 | stew | judd: checkbackport kicad |
| 15:09.51 | judd | Backporting package kicad in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 15:10.20 | madtux | ssh ask me to replace the old private key with the new one |
| 15:10.41 | karlpinc | madtux: Use 'ssh -i /path/to/otherkey' |
| 15:10.47 | osfd | SharkMuttleworth: well, it is supposed to be stable... supposed |
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| 15:11.58 | karlpinc | madtux: Talk to the channel please. |
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| 15:12.13 | karlpinc | madtux: No -i says to use a different key file. |
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| 15:14.14 | SharkMuttleworth | osfd: Stability can mean different things to different people, look at Debian and Ubuntu |
| 15:14.33 | SharkMuttleworth | osfd: If your compile finished without warnings/obvious problems, I'd try reporting the bugs to the project |
| 15:14.40 | osfd | SharkMuttleworth: let say that the soft crashes way too much |
| 15:14.56 | osfd | SharkMuttleworth: the compile went very very smooth... |
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| 15:17.27 | madtux | karlpinc, I created a new pairs of keys with with a different file name |
| 15:17.46 | madtux | but the server still ask me the password |
| 15:18.19 | keith4 | how are you getting the keys there? |
| 15:18.43 | madtux | do you mean if I have uploaded the public key on the remote server? |
| 15:18.47 | madtux | yes I did it+ |
| 15:19.09 | stew | madtux: how? |
| 15:19.19 | stew | (ssh-copy-id is the way we would recommend) |
| 15:19.36 | madtux | stew I did by scp |
| 15:20.17 | SharkMuttleworth | !ssb |
| 15:20.17 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 15:20.53 | karlpinc | madtux: You put it in the remote user's authorized_keys file? |
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| 15:21.06 | stew | there are going to be permissions to be fixed |
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| 15:21.14 | stew | and scp is going to overwrite, not append, of course |
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| 15:23.06 | madtux | karlpinc, yes now I did it |
| 15:24.05 | stew | madtux: what are the permissions of authorized_keys and .ssh? |
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| 15:26.03 | stew | 11:25 <madtux> the permission are 644 |
| 15:26.05 | stew | of which? |
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| 15:26.19 | stew | (.ssh should be 700 and authorized_keys should be 600) |
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| 15:27.54 | waa_programmer | hi guys |
| 15:27.56 | waa_programmer | i am confused |
| 15:28.18 | sney | !ask |
| 15:28.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:28.28 | waa_programmer | i have installed new 2GB ram card but don't see 4GB in system monitor |
| 15:28.36 | waa_programmer | under bios i see 4GB |
| 15:28.48 | thewanderer1 | waa_programmer: well, are you running a 64-bit kernel? |
| 15:28.49 | stew | waa_programmer: what does "uname -r" return? |
| 15:28.52 | waa_programmer | i think debian use 1GB of memory for cache |
| 15:28.57 | waa_programmer | 32bit |
| 15:29.13 | thewanderer1 | there you go |
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| 15:29.35 | waa_programmer | max 3GB O.o?? |
| 15:29.37 | sney | he could also use the pae kernel from backports |
| 15:29.39 | stew | waa_programmer: no |
| 15:29.41 | sney | !bpo kernel |
| 15:29.41 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
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| 15:30.07 | sney | or just bigmem I suppose. |
| 15:30.16 | waa_programmer | ohhh right |
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| 15:30.22 | waa_programmer | thanks :D |
| 15:30.25 | stew | waa_programmer: wait |
| 15:30.39 | waa_programmer | but what with nvidia O.o |
| 15:30.39 | stew | waa_programmer: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:30.50 | waa_programmer | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 15:31.12 | stew | waa_programmer: what does "free -m | head -1" say? |
| 15:31.14 | waa_programmer | I prefer 32bit cuz less memory it use |
| 15:31.37 | peterS | waa_programmer: yes, and now less memory it _has available_. which is why you came here asking your question. (: |
| 15:31.37 | waa_programmer | nothing says just table header |
| 15:31.54 | waa_programmer | but without (-1) |
| 15:31.54 | waa_programmer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.54 | waa_programmer | Mem: 2787 1393 1393 0 107 694 |
| 15:31.54 | waa_programmer | -/+ buffers/cache: 592 2195 |
| 15:31.54 | waa_programmer | Swap: 3811 0 3811 |
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| 15:32.07 | sney | so you can use pae or bigmem kernel, and it will still be 32 bit, but it will be able to let your applications access memory above the 3.xx limit |
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| 15:32.20 | stew | does 2787 total seem right because he is missing pae? |
| 15:32.29 | stew | i'd expect that to be closer to 4 |
| 15:32.36 | peterS | waa_programmer: I suggest using the 64-bit kernel even if you prefer to use 32-bit userspace. you can do that in debian. there is an 'amd64' flavor kernel available in the 32-bit install. |
| 15:32.42 | thewanderer1 | looks about right if you consider that something else would be taking memory from there, too - like an integrated NVIDIA GPU... |
| 15:32.45 | waa_programmer | i see 2.7 GB in system monitor |
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| 15:32.54 | tremon | it's roughly 3.2 - video ram, so if he has 512mb gfx aperture that could be |
| 15:32.55 | waa_programmer | 256 is for video card |
| 15:33.05 | tremon | close ;) |
| 15:33.14 | stew | his cpu supports 64 bit? |
| 15:33.36 | peterS | good question |
| 15:33.39 | waa_programmer | yes supports |
| 15:34.10 | waa_programmer | so you said i can install amd64 kernel and use it with 32 bit memspace? |
| 15:34.14 | stew | waa_programmer: yes |
| 15:34.26 | peterS | waa_programmer: 'apt-get install linux-image-amd64' - should work |
| 15:34.28 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure NVIDIA supports it |
| 15:34.28 | waa_programmer | just 64kernel +32apps - right? |
| 15:34.34 | tremon | waa_programmer: unless you need proprietary kernel modules, they don't handle that well |
| 15:34.51 | thewanderer1 | last time I read their README (a year ago, possibly), it said it doesn't handle mixed kernel/userspace setups |
| 15:35.03 | peterS | waa_programmer: if you're using a non-free NVIDIA graphics driver that has a non-free kernel component, who knows if that will work properly - I haven't tried it |
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| 15:35.46 | waa_programmer | i had have to turn off noav... driver |
| 15:35.55 | waa_programmer | i use nvidia nonfree |
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| 15:36.01 | waa_programmer | but what ever |
| 15:36.14 | waa_programmer | i will not remove my current kernel :D |
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| 15:36.55 | peterS | a) 32-bit userspace, b) non-free nvidia driver, c) 4 GB of usable RAM. pick any two. (But not all 3.) |
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| 15:37.10 | waa_programmer | i install bigmem |
| 15:37.12 | tremon | waa_programmer: you're right, just try it |
| 15:37.25 | keith4 | madtux: you should use ssh-copy-id, as stew mentioned. it would solve this problem |
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| 15:37.33 | waa_programmer | but ina description it says "for more than 4GB" :D |
| 15:37.40 | waa_programmer | i don't have more lol |
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| 15:38.02 | stew | i know which two I'd pick! |
| 15:38.08 | waa_programmer | first bigmem |
| 15:38.20 | keith4 | yes, go with bigmem |
| 15:38.29 | cuit | Should I have wheezy-updates when I've set all my apt repos to Wheezy? Should it be left on Squeeze or is it not needed in testing? |
| 15:38.30 | peterS | stew: I'd only pick one of them and it wouldn't be a) or b) (: |
| 15:38.31 | waa_programmer | maybe amd64 but i don't like this option cuz i have to replace nvidia too |
| 15:38.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | question, if I have a server located at 10.5.1.200, and I have a debian box with 3 NICs in it, eth0-2 and eth1 and eth2 are bridged to br0... and br0 is running dhcpd + tfftpd, and I have NAT set up between eth0 and br0 and br0's ip is 172.16.50.1..... and clients connect to a dumbswitch attached to br0 and grab IPs via DHCP... and these clients rely on a UDP broadcast discovery to find the 10.5.1.200 server which is listening on port 8080 and downloa |
| 15:38.39 | stew | peterS: :) |
| 15:39.01 | waa_programmer | downloading :D |
| 15:39.18 | keith4 | TehRabbitt-Work: this might require a more thorough write-up, and a diagram... |
| 15:39.28 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: also, you got cut off :P |
| 15:39.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: where'd it get cut off :-| |
| 15:39.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | also these are the boxes you were helping me with last time thewanderer1 |
| 15:40.00 | taime1 | Hello. I have a folder that is owned by a group and i want the subfolders to be owned by separate individual groups. I need all users in the parent directory's group to have read, but users of the sub folder groups read write execute. can someone recommend a sane way to set those permissions? |
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| 15:40.11 | thewanderer1 | oh, I wouldn't remember, sorry :/ |
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| 15:40.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: it's okay lol... basically small debian boxes that are running TFTPD + DHCP that are acting like linksys routers basically |
| 15:41.00 | thewanderer1 | taime1: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions - work within this, and you'll find a way |
| 15:41.14 | taime1 | thewanderer1: thank you sir |
| 15:41.14 | taime1 | or ma'am |
| 15:41.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | but now I need the clients on the br0 side to be able to discover a specific server on the eth0 side using UDP |
| 15:41.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | and Idk where to even begin looking |
| 15:41.34 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: so you need routing |
| 15:41.46 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: and the UDP discovery is probably broadcast? |
| 15:41.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: I suppose... well it's a UDP broadcast for "Local" servers |
| 15:41.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | yes. |
| 15:41.54 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: then you need a proxy |
| 15:41.54 | tremon | taime1: barring acl, you can set the toplevel group as mod 750 and the subdirectories as 775 |
| 15:42.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: how does that work? |
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| 15:42.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | I know the IP of the server will always be 10.5.1.200 |
| 15:42.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | and all the clients will need to have their "discovery" pointed to that IP |
| 15:42.38 | taime1 | tremon: if 750, does that mean the top level group can delete the subfolders at will? |
| 15:42.50 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: well, discovery is not directed... you just catch all broadcasts on a certain UDP port and forward them |
| 15:42.53 | TehRabbitt-Work | (traditionally the software was designed to be run on a single machine behind a 192.168.1.0/24 subnet in a small office) |
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| 15:43.08 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: foward them to where though? |
| 15:43.25 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: to the subnet in which the services to discover are? |
| 15:43.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | the cisco L3 switch that that listening server is plugged into? |
| 15:43.35 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka 10.5.1.1? |
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| 15:43.54 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: just forward to another broadcast |
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| 15:44.00 | tremon | taime1: read the given link, section 2 |
| 15:44.06 | taime1 | ah |
| 15:44.15 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: why do you need to discover services that are in remote subnets, though? can't you put the server in the same subnet as the clients? |
| 15:44.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: I dont want to sound like a complete idiot but what would that look like / how would it work |
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| 15:44.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: due to physical / money constraints, No :\ |
| 15:44.34 | vixus | everything's gone to pot. |
| 15:44.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | theres going to be 30 of these small devices. |
| 15:44.40 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: how about VLAN? |
| 15:44.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | with 30 machines behind each. |
| 15:44.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | one actual server. |
| 15:44.56 | thewanderer1 | still a case for VLAN |
| 15:45.00 | vixus | does everyone have an rtl8188ce wifi card that actually works on their system? |
| 15:45.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | and all that server does is host XML config files |
| 15:45.14 | vixus | s/everyone/anyone |
| 15:45.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: that was my original thought, but then how do I have a PXE server on each desk to reduce bandwidth of 30*20 desks |
| 15:45.33 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: if the server's address is static, why does it need to be discovered? |
| 15:45.33 | vixus | just had an amazing kernel panic |
| 15:45.34 | TehRabbitt-Work | well clients |
| 15:45.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: poor programming and the programmers don't see a reason to let us staticaly assign an IP |
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| 15:46.11 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: okay, what's the problem with PXE again? |
| 15:46.22 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: so let the programmers write you an application-level udp relay ;) |
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| 15:46.46 | TehRabbitt-Work | basically there will be about 500 machines booting up a 300MB image via PXE all over 1 Gigabit uplink. |
| 15:46.54 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka not going to happen |
| 15:47.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | so, I distributed it using smaller debian boxes (pentium 3 systems embedded) |
| 15:47.08 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: so you're using those little boxes to offload PXE to them? |
| 15:47.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | correct. |
| 15:47.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | each one is running NAT / has a "eth0 and br0" side |
| 15:47.28 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: and how exactly does it interfere with the discoverable server being in everyone's subnet? |
| 15:47.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | br0 side connects to a dumb switch that the 30 clients per desk connect to |
| 15:47.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | the eth0 side connects to the 10.5.5.0/24 subnet |
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| 15:48.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: because the discoverable server is a windows server 2k8 box that resides as a VM on 10.5.1.1 |
| 15:48.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | well 10.5.1.0/24 |
| 15:48.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | in the dataroom |
| 15:48.19 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: and you can still put it in all VLANs |
| 15:48.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: and still offload PXE? |
| 15:48.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: i'm just a bit confused |
| 15:48.46 | kephra | TehRabbitt-Work, PXE ist just dhcp/tftpd |
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| 15:49.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | yes, but the tftpd server is local per desk |
| 15:49.07 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: okay, first, you're preserving the boxes |
| 15:49.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | rather than one tftpd server being shared amongst 500 clients |
| 15:49.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: alright |
| 15:49.37 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: second, you're running 802.1q trunk on the backbone link, which connects your tiny box to the main switch |
| 15:49.50 | kephra | yes, the dhcp server tells, where to find the tftpd - and tftpd defines kernel command line, where to find the nfs server - TehRabbitt-Work |
| 15:50.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: kinda follow so far. |
| 15:50.20 | kephra | so you can scale that pretty well |
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| 15:50.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | kephra: but multiple tftpd servers running in the same subnet / vlan? |
| 15:50.35 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: then, you add the vlan3 (assume that's where the WS2008 is) interface to br0 |
| 15:50.50 | TehRabbitt-Work | I think I see where you're going with this. |
| 15:51.00 | kephra | TehRabbitt-Work, tftp is not broadcast, you can run as many tftpd and nfs servers as you want |
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| 15:51.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | but wait, how do I get dhcp then not to conflict amonst all the other boxes since they'll all be on the same vlan? |
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| 15:51.28 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: use filtering |
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| 15:51.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | filtering? |
| 15:51.50 | thewanderer1 | oh wait... |
| 15:51.58 | kephra | TehRabbitt-Work, dhcp is broadcast |
| 15:51.59 | thewanderer1 | the boxes are *not* on the same VLAN |
| 15:52.03 | thewanderer1 | and this is the key |
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| 15:52.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | now i'm confused Heh |
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| 15:52.52 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: see, there is 1 VLAN per "desk group" |
| 15:53.17 | thewanderer1 | so assuming you have 20 groups, you create 20 VLANs, each with their own DHCP, PXE, WTF and BBQ |
| 15:53.42 | thewanderer1 | then it's a matter of putting the Windows Server in all 20 VLANs and it's done :P |
| 15:54.00 | kephra | *ouch* why running dhcp on windows ;-( |
| 15:54.14 | thewanderer1 | nah, DHCP is from the P3 boxes |
| 15:54.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: so basically create 20 vlans, and then place the windows server into all 20... |
| 15:54.19 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: yes. |
| 15:54.32 | tremon | that last step can be done with snat, but it won't solve the udp broadcast discovery |
| 15:54.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | can I place a windows server in 20 vlans though :-| |
| 15:54.37 | kephra | 20 interfaces will slaughter the windows server |
| 15:54.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | without having to have 20 eth adapters |
| 15:54.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | Heh |
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| 15:55.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: I see where you're going with it though |
| 15:55.16 | TehRabbitt-Work | so rather than using NAT, just use vlans per desk. |
| 15:55.17 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: there are 2 ways, 1 is 20 virtual adapters for the Windows VM and the other one is one veth and VLAN inside Windows |
| 15:55.34 | thewanderer1 | both methods work, with various amounts of hacking required (latter is simpler) |
| 15:55.37 | kephra | better: create one vlan, add a debian dhcpd to it, add 3 or 5 nfs servers to it, add all your clients to it |
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| 15:55.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: additionally the server is actually a VM on esxi :-| if that matters |
| 15:55.54 | kephra | dhcp/tftp wont be the bottleneck - nfs is! |
| 15:56.06 | kephra | you can also put one tftpd on each nfs server |
| 15:56.10 | thewanderer1 | no, PXE is :P |
| 15:56.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | i'm drawing a quick diagram of how it's set up. |
| 15:56.25 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: I have no bloody idea about ESXi, but I'd burn it down and replace with KVM :) |
| 15:56.31 | kephra | is using pxe for boot into backup |
| 15:56.37 | thewanderer1 | still, looks completely viable |
| 15:56.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: LOL i wish |
| 15:57.04 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: just make sure it doesn't do any silly filtering and you're fine |
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| 15:59.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | http://imgur.com/NbYxT |
| 15:59.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | "Client A" needs to be able to "discover" 10.5.1.200 |
| 15:59.32 | TehRabbitt-Work | in that diagram |
| 15:59.43 | TehRabbitt-Work | .48 and .49 are debian boxes |
| 15:59.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | running PXE + DHCPD |
| 15:59.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | well TFTPD |
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| 16:02.54 | ix | TehRabbitt-Work: You're using TFTP to transmit root images? |
| 16:03.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | ix: Yes |
| 16:03.46 | thewanderer1 | well, I think the VLAN setup pretty much solves the issue |
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| 16:04.48 | kephra | TehRabbitt-Work, http://kephra.de/pix/pxe_scaling.gif |
| 16:05.39 | thewanderer1 | kephra: and *how* do the clients know which server to use? |
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| 16:07.27 | ix | how does the windows server identify the clients? |
| 16:08.08 | ix | (when it's handing out the XML configuration thingie) |
| 16:08.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | ix: via it's IP I beleive. |
| 16:08.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | i want to attempt the VLAN method but i'm not sure how to add the VLANs to windows server. |
| 16:08.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | the "virtual interfaces" |
| 16:09.48 | kephra | thewanderer1, dhcpd knows - e.g. next-server 193.101.47.33; <- in my config *oups* I own a provider independent class C *lol* |
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| 16:10.36 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: it's rather simple, but you probably know it's outside the scope of this channel... and I forgot... heh |
| 16:11.15 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: no problem, i'm going to see if I can figure it out, but one quick thing, how do I set eth0 to be a trunking port and br0 to pass the specific vlan? |
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| 16:12.28 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: you just add a vlan on it, there are no "trunking ports" per se. and bridges will pass all vlans :P |
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| 16:13.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: so how do I accomplish it? just set the switchport that eth0 is connected to toa trunking port on the cisco? and then pass the specific vlan I want to br0? ie: br0 would be on vlan 55 and eth0 would be connected to the switch? |
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| 16:14.58 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: whatever iface is there attached to br0, detach it, add a vlan on it (say, eth1.3 starts existing at this point) and add the resulting vlan interface to the bridge |
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| 16:15.18 | thewanderer1 | so you'll be bridging eth0.3 and eth1.3 etc... |
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| 16:17.07 | DoctorWedgeworth | hey, I just did apt-get remove apache2 but it was still running afterwards. I reinstalled it and did apt-get remove --purge apache2 and it stopped, but /etc/init.d/apache2 still exists, and still starts apache if used. What's wrong with my setup? |
| 16:17.43 | stew | DoctorWedgeworth: /etc/init.d/apache2 is in the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
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| 16:18.18 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, here I am again, I tried reinstalling debian squeeze, I was able to reboot, but after I installed ATI driver, then i cannot reboot anymore. Any clue? |
| 16:19.35 | DoctorWedgeworth | stew, thanks, that did it. What is apache2 then? |
| 16:19.56 | thewanderer1 | a metapackage? :P |
| 16:20.21 | DoctorWedgeworth | well it removed something :) |
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| 16:21.32 | stew | it looks like the only thing tha apache2 package actaully installs is bug reporting templates, otherwise it just exists to depend on the other apache components |
| 16:22.24 | stew | most people want to be able to just say "i want apache2" not "hmm, should I choose apache2-mpm-worker? or apache2-mpm-prefork? or maybe apache2-mpm-itk?" |
| 16:22.45 | Ephexeve | Anyone? |
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| 16:24.30 | tremon | Ephexeve: cannot reboot? You mean the pc keeps running when you pull the plug? |
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| 16:25.48 | karlpinc | Ephexeve: How did you install the ATI driver? Did you use the debian package from the debian repos? |
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| 16:26.49 | Ephexeve | tremon: Cannot shutdown, the I clickt he shutdown button in gnome2 and all I see is a black screen |
| 16:26.52 | PeterSilie | hello |
| 16:26.58 | Ephexeve | karlpinc: I followed Debian's ATI wiki |
| 16:27.26 | Ephexeve | karlpinc: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/ |
| 16:28.26 | tremon | Ephexeve: does it shut down eventually, or just hangs there? Do you have another machine that you can use to ssh in? |
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| 16:28.46 | Ephexeve | tremon: It hangs, nothing happens, right now I cannot :/ |
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| 16:29.12 | Ephexeve | tremon: it's a laptop by the way (maybe that helps) |
| 16:29.51 | tremon | (that would be a yes to "pc keeps running when I pull the plug" btw ;) |
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| 16:31.45 | tremon | Ephexeve: paste /var/log/kern.log.1 and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, maybe there's a clue there. But if it hangs, I don't expect any logs will reach the disk |
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| 16:32.40 | tremon | Ephexeve: maybe also ask in #ati, there's very little we can do about the blob |
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| 16:36.57 | Ephexeve | tremon: http://codepad.org/oiOGPEmg |
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| 16:38.31 | tremon | Ephexeve: the latter is Xorg.log.old? Wow what garbage |
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| 16:39.48 | Ephexeve | tremon: uh> |
| 16:39.51 | Ephexeve | *? |
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| 16:40.32 | tremon | ah... the output section is codepad trying to parse kern.log as if it were a C source file ;) |
| 16:40.53 | Ephexeve | tremon: aahhh yea |
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| 16:43.29 | tremon | Ephexeve: nothing interesting in that log |
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| 16:44.25 | Ephexeve | tremon: I agree... |
| 16:44.27 | n1md4 | Hi. Is there a way I can require apt to check how many upgrades are available? I have a cron for apt-get update ever 4 hours, and now need to write a lovely little script to count the packages. With Arch's pacman there is a command (pacman -Qu | wc -l) that I can use to query the local database for a list of available packages, and a drop-in replacement with apt would be ideal. |
| 16:44.55 | tremon | n1md4: aptitude search ~U |
| 16:45.09 | tremon | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 16:47.38 | n1md4 | tremon: thanks. I'm getting conflicting results from aptitude safe-upgrade which reports 165 requiring an upgrade, but with aptitude search ~U it reports 173 ??? |
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| 16:48.46 | tremon | n1md4: safe-upgrade holds packages back if they have new dependencies |
| 16:49.12 | n1md4 | Ah! tremendous! Thank you very much. |
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| 16:50.36 | tremon | in the interest of conciseness, I should say "if the to-be-upgraded package has dependencies that can only be satisfied by installing currently-uninstalled packages" |
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| 16:52.11 | stew | vixus: i'll take a guess that they are conffiles |
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| 16:52.23 | vixus | stew: no, they are firmware files |
| 16:52.43 | stew | vixus: what exactly is saying what exactly? |
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| 16:53.28 | colloc | Hello. Is it possible to use Debian Wheezy with an interface which would look like the gnome of Debian Squeeze? I dislike gnome shell. |
| 16:53.29 | Ephexeve | has anyone got any idea? |
| 16:53.52 | vixus | stew: i reckon something else removed them. |
| 16:54.11 | vixus | stew: i had installed firmware-realtek, but there was a directory missing. |
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| 17:02.40 | erjk | Hi. I am using Wheezy amd64 with KDE. Recently I've bought USB Wireless adapter TP-Link TL-WN721N. I installed firmware-atheros package and it was working, but quite strangely. I am using KDE to connect to my wireless network. Sometimes when I turned on the PC and logged into KDE, the networks (including mine) weren't on the list, sometimes they were. Sometimes the networks were on the list to dissapear completely whille connecting. Now it came to the point |
| 17:02.40 | erjk | that there aren't any networks at all every time. For me it seems like something is blocking my adapter from being seen by system. |
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| 17:04.07 | jhutchins_lt | erjk: How does it behave under stable? |
| 17:04.28 | erjk | I haven't used stable for a long time. I have only testing. |
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| 17:06.50 | zecrazytux | colloc: xfce ? |
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| 17:08.10 | colloc | zecrazytux: No. I want to know if there is a way to use gnome 2 on debian wheezy, not xfce. |
| 17:08.46 | thewanderer1 | colloc: there's GNOME3 fallback mode, which resembles GNOME2 |
| 17:08.47 | colloc | or to use gnome shell with a behavior of gnome 2 |
| 17:09.37 | colloc | thewanderer1: how does it work? Do you have a like on these subject? |
| 17:09.46 | colloc | link, sorry |
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| 17:10.07 | thewanderer1 | colloc: I'd say try it and see... it should be installed by default if you install GNOME3 |
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| 17:17.07 | colloc | thewanderer1: Is Debian Wheezy stable enough today for standard user? |
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| 17:17.59 | thewanderer1 | colloc: that varies on a daily basis. I run Wheezy with packages from Sid from a week ago or so, it has some rough corners... |
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| 17:22.04 | ompaul | colloc: if you can afford for it to break randomly without your afore knowledge |
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| 17:22.52 | peterrooney | colloc: not yet. |
| 17:23.14 | peterrooney | colloc: there's a reason it's currently labelled "testing" |
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| 17:24.36 | trysten | colloc: i'm a sub-standard user, and i like it |
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| 17:34.39 | colloc | trysten: You have never broken it? |
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| 17:35.57 | abrotman | colloc: do you have some huge reason to want to use wheezy? |
| 17:36.12 | trysten | colloc: not that i've noticed. i use it because the software is way newer |
| 17:36.42 | trysten | colloc: wait yes, i've broken alot. but i have not seen it break itself with updates. |
| 17:37.10 | colloc | abrotman: not really, apart the support of my graphic card as usual on linux. |
| 17:37.45 | abrotman | and which card is that ? |
| 17:37.53 | colloc | "but i have not seen it break itself with updates.": interesting. |
| 17:38.11 | abrotman | trysten: you've been lucky :) |
| 17:38.11 | pparadis | lord knows i have. |
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| 17:38.31 | tremon | remembers a libc upgrade about a year ago |
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| 17:38.43 | colloc | abrotman: it's the card of the intel core i5 and the Nvidia 520 |
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| 17:39.21 | abrotman | the bumblebee nonsense? |
| 17:40.01 | colloc | Yes :(. Why have I bought this crasy sh...?! |
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| 17:40.36 | pparadis | bumblebee tuna! |
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| 17:48.27 | kallisti | is there no gitosis package in debian repos |
| 17:48.29 | kallisti | ? |
| 17:49.03 | boudiccas | ,versions gitosis |
| 17:49.04 | judd | Package: gitosis on i386 -- lenny: 0.2+20080825-2; squeeze: 0.2+20090917-11 |
| 17:49.08 | trysten | laughs |
| 17:49.28 | kallisti | so not on wheezy |
| 17:49.47 | jhutchins_lt | !why is gitosis not in wheezy? |
| 17:49.48 | dpkg | gitosis is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gitosis |
| 17:50.10 | kallisti | a 404. |
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| 17:50.52 | tremon | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gitosis/news/20110909T215628Z.html |
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| 17:58.26 | abrotman | kallisti: maybe it has a new name ? |
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| 18:00.58 | stew | abrotman: no, superceded by gitolite |
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| 18:01.26 | stew | !dbugs 641010 |
| 18:01.30 | dpkg | DONE:#641010:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: gitosis/experimental -- RoM; superseded by gitolite (); Fri, 09 Sep 2011 11:45:10 UTC [] |
| 18:01.34 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 18:05.56 | pjc_ | ahoy hoy |
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| 18:09.10 | yann2 | hello! a small hardware support: If I have a mini pci-e card that is _not_ supported by debian, should I still see it in lspci? |
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| 18:11.04 | oops | how can I list all files which are 3 days old or more? |
| 18:11.22 | zecrazytux | yann2: yes |
| 18:11.28 | kallisti | oops: man find |
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| 18:11.43 | oops | kallisti, I did that but can't find the right option to do it. |
| 18:11.49 | zecrazytux | oops: searc mtime within the man page |
| 18:12.01 | keith4 | depends how you define "old" |
| 18:12.44 | oops | zecrazytux, -mtime's documentation asks me to see -atime's documentation and -atime's documentation tells me this: |
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| 18:13.04 | oops | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.23 | stew | oops: find -mtome +2 |
| 18:13.30 | stew | -type f |
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| 18:13.41 | oops | what does it mean? it will list files that were accessed in the last two days? or it will access files which haven't been accessed in the last two days? |
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| 18:14.35 | stew | oops: -atime 2 = accessed 2 days ago, -atime +2 = accessed more than two days ago (at least 3), -atime -2 = accessed less than two days ago |
| 18:14.48 | oops | stew, thanks |
| 18:14.53 | stew | oops: but you want -mtime for modified time |
| 18:15.02 | oops | yes, thanks. now it's clear to me. |
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| 18:21.02 | kallisti | so what could cause ssh to still ask me for a passphrase when I set up authorized_keys? |
| 18:21.37 | pparadis | kallisti: is it asking for a passphrase, or a password? |
| 18:21.38 | epsilon | wrong host? |
| 18:21.45 | kallisti | pasphrase |
| 18:21.49 | stew | kallisti: incorrect permissions on the authorized_keys file or one of the directories containing it |
| 18:21.59 | pparadis | if you assigned a passphrase to your SSH keys, it will ask you for it to unlock the secret key. |
| 18:22.01 | kallisti | should be 700 right? |
| 18:22.05 | kallisti | ah okay. |
| 18:22.15 | stew | kallisti: on which? |
| 18:22.23 | kallisti | so I want to set up a private key without a passphrase |
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| 18:22.25 | kallisti | to do automatic login |
| 18:22.42 | epsilon | if you want login without any passphrase prompt, generate the keypair without it |
| 18:22.47 | pparadis | well, you can regenerate the keypair and just not assign a private key. think about this carefully though. |
| 18:22.51 | zecrazytux | kallisti: you can use ssh-agent to prevent ssh from asking the passphrase again and again on a same session |
| 18:23.02 | pparadis | nod, and that may be a better option. |
| 18:23.06 | kallisti | that might be a good alternative. |
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| 18:23.31 | zecrazytux | pparadis: no 'private' key on a rsa or dsa pair ? hu ? |
| 18:24.03 | pparadis | s/not assign a private key/not assign a private key passphrase/ :) |
| 18:24.13 | zecrazytux | oh :) |
| 18:24.40 | pparadis | i accidentally the whole thing. |
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| 18:24.59 | nsadmin | I accidently the verb! |
| 18:25.51 | nsadmin | my verb was "forgot", was yours "removed"? |
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| 18:26.00 | pparadis | indeed |
| 18:26.26 | nsadmin | so you removed your private key? |
| 18:26.45 | zecrazytux | nsadmin: so he could publicly log in :) |
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| 18:27.15 | pparadis | open source, open systems, right? ;) |
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| 18:27.40 | nsadmin | well, can easily be open source, closed system |
| 18:27.49 | nsadmin | I'd say they're indep |
| 18:28.06 | thejapa | hey, can I try advanced user level support here? my dell notebook backlight keys aren't working on squeeze |
| 18:28.31 | zecrazytux | pparadis: open open source events babes |
| 18:28.35 | thewanderer1 | thejapa: upgrade your kernel :P |
| 18:28.38 | thejapa | any tips, i've read something about dmi code being bad and 2.6.32 is |
| 18:28.50 | thejapa | thewanderer1: oh that's what I read... |
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| 18:29.45 | thejapa | thewanderer1: btw, your nick is the hostname of my notebook, it almost feels like it's it talking back :) |
| 18:30.12 | thewanderer1 | thejapa: thanks... although I'd rather get rid of the "1" :P |
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| 18:34.58 | ws2k3 | my server tryes to send this kinda mails http://pastebin.com/uJd86r0h |
| 18:35.00 | ws2k3 | how can i fix this |
| 18:36.18 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: read the mail... the subject suggests that it's sent automatically by a piece of software called lfd, see what it does and configure it so that it doesn't bug you |
| 18:36.38 | zecrazytux | hm |
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| 18:36.47 | jordanm | also, having shared objects in /tmp probably is a bad sign |
| 18:36.55 | zecrazytux | is /tmp/selfgz10739/pb/pbcls.so a file you put there yourself , |
| 18:37.02 | pparadis | ws2k3: i told you last night you are compromised. |
| 18:37.10 | zecrazytux | ws2k3: you probably got owned if not |
| 18:37.19 | thewanderer1 | well, it could be just careless users :P |
| 18:37.33 | pparadis | nah, he's comporomised. |
| 18:37.37 | pparadis | compromised, even. |
| 18:37.39 | thewanderer1 | how do you know? |
| 18:37.42 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: I don't want to meet your users |
| 18:37.46 | zecrazytux | :o |
| 18:37.47 | tremon | because of his nick? |
| 18:37.52 | pparadis | thewanderer1: are you serious? |
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| 18:38.10 | zecrazytux | pparadis: he has had a few drinks already |
| 18:38.13 | thewanderer1 | pparadis: why? a user can put a .so file in /tmp and nobody stops him |
| 18:38.19 | pparadis | thewanderer1: just stop. |
| 18:38.31 | pparadis | thewanderer1: at least bother to research it a little before you start talking next time. |
| 18:38.42 | thewanderer1 | well, okay, but it looks like an interrupted attempt of installing PunkBuster... |
| 18:38.48 | jordanm | research what? who can write to /tmp? |
| 18:38.55 | pparadis | anyone can write to /tmp |
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| 18:39.33 | zecrazytux | thewanderer1: hmm, not that foolish |
| 18:39.38 | jordanm | right, so in a multi-user system, simply having the file there may be an indication of a compromise, but doesn't mean he *is* compromised |
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| 18:41.03 | nsadmin | punkbuster, isn't that for a specific game server? |
| 18:41.30 | zecrazytux | nsadmin: for many servers |
| 18:41.37 | nsadmin | pparadis, any user on that machine |
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| 18:41.58 | thewanderer1 | several game servers use it to communicate with the client-side "agent" - it *is* a rootkit, but designed to spy on the client side only :) |
| 18:42.54 | pparadis | my point here is that he has no clue how that got there in the first place, and hasn't even confirmed that any other users have shell access in the first place. that's just being assumed here. basically, since last night, he's not given anything else to work with other than this, and in that event i call it compromised. |
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| 18:43.12 | thewanderer1 | well, we need more info then |
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| 18:43.37 | stew | everyone in this conversation should reinstall debian, now |
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| 18:44.14 | tremon | has just finished debootstrapping |
| 18:44.22 | pparadis | especially given the fact that the entire site is php, the topic is "free game hosting" which is precisely the sort of thing i've seen a massive number of directed attacks on, etc. |
| 18:44.50 | pparadis | so yeah, more information would be great, but we haven't seen any of that since last night, he just asks the same question again when he doesn't like the answers he gets. |
| 18:45.04 | jparkton | reinstalls debian |
| 18:45.06 | jparkton | :| |
| 18:45.33 | thewanderer1 | passes the wrong option to debootstrap and ends up with Precise Pangolin instead |
| 18:45.37 | zecrazytux | stays acting as a punk and does not install debian |
| 18:45.37 | pparadis | D: |
| 18:45.41 | zecrazytux | keeps* |
| 18:46.08 | n1md4 | tremon: I don't suppose you know if there's a check similar to 'aptitude search ~U' that returns only security upgrades? |
| 18:46.45 | jparkton | zecrazytux "acting LIKE a punk" not as :D |
| 18:47.03 | tremon | n1md4: I'm pretty certain there is |
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| 18:47.17 | AeroNotix | on arch I update daily/bi-daily. How often on debian should I apt-get update? |
| 18:47.34 | zecrazytux | jparkton: thanks for the correction, teacher :) |
| 18:47.39 | jparkton | np |
| 18:47.54 | jparkton | AeroNotix as often as you like |
| 18:47.55 | nsadmin | stew, heya, got one more question that might be related to multiarch... what are the major steps to set up an env under which executables and libs for that arch can be built? |
| 18:48.01 | jparkton | 30 - 50 times a day is ok |
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| 18:48.13 | AeroNotix | jparkton: I'm just not as likely to encounter an updatE? |
| 18:48.35 | pparadis | AeroNotix: you may wish to consider subscribing the security lists. |
| 18:48.36 | stew | nsadmin: create a chroot with debootstrap or some tool like pbuilder or cowbuilder |
| 18:48.37 | zecrazytux | jparkton: lol |
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| 18:48.48 | AeroNotix | pparadis: is that a ML? |
| 18:48.52 | tremon | n1md4: aptitude search ~U~Osecurity.debian.org |
| 18:48.53 | pparadis | yes |
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| 18:49.03 | AeroNotix | pparadis: ty |
| 18:49.11 | pparadis | sure thing |
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| 18:49.39 | jparkton | just don't subscribe to the entire bug list lol 4k emails a day |
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| 18:49.53 | jparkton | ish joking of course |
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| 18:50.16 | nsadmin | stew, ok, and compilers with --host=theRunningArch --target=theIncompatibleArch would be installed automatically (somehow)? |
| 18:50.24 | tremon | nsadmin: I think the goal is to be able to install gcc-4.7-<triplet> and it will pull in the basic requirements |
| 18:50.29 | n1md4 | ah! great. thanks. |
| 18:50.44 | stew | nsadmin: "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 18:51.00 | stew | nsadmin: this isn't something you'd use multiarch for, you'd just use a regular chroot |
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| 18:51.43 | tremon | nsadmin: try reading up on apt-cross and dpkg-cross, those were the tools used before multiarch by emdebian, much of the multiarch has been designed on their experiences |
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| 18:52.15 | tremon | stew: it's one of the multiarch goals though :) |
| 18:52.49 | stew | oh |
| 18:52.57 | stew | i know very little about multiarch |
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| 18:54.46 | nsadmin | stew, oh ok... so if left to compiling one's self, this would not be easy at all, nor short... what mechanisms exist and wht mechanisms are planned to make it easy or short or automatic? |
| 18:55.10 | nsadmin | oops, short errand. brb |
| 18:55.20 | stew | nsadmin: i have no idea. i'm not sure why you keep directing thses questions at me specifically |
| 18:56.39 | jparkton | stew is a beacon in the darkness he knows all "All hail Stewie" |
| 18:57.06 | tremon | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchCross and http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/TheCaseForMultiarch#Cross-compilation_environments |
| 18:58.04 | nsadmin | stew, because you responded (thanks) and because you have a greater depth of knowledge than I do |
| 18:58.09 | nsadmin | anyway brb |
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| 18:58.47 | stew | this all started because I asked HIM a question about multiarch |
| 18:58.56 | pparadis | hehe |
| 18:58.58 | tremon | waves |
| 18:59.11 | stew | because he was saying things about multi-arch that I didn't know were possible |
| 18:59.58 | tremon | stew: I have no direct use-experience with multiarch, but I have done quite some cross-compiling so have been following the m-a drafts out of interest |
| 19:00.11 | stew | (which I don't think he knew were possible either, he was just saying them anyway) |
| 19:00.32 | zecrazytux | nsadmin: I used the gcc toolchain from emdebian and might have used apt-cross:dpkg-cross a bit, a few years ago |
| 19:00.35 | stew | my direct use-exeprience is that I have run dpkg -add-architecture i386 once and saw that it actually made other things avaiable |
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| 19:01.04 | zecrazytux | nsadmin: haven't followed news, though |
| 19:01.05 | stew | and I ran some "aptitude -s install foo:i386" and saw that it was going to do something sane seeming |
| 19:01.17 | stew | I don't really have any use for any i386 packages though |
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| 19:01.53 | tremon | I have two use cases: 32-bit wine on amd64, and qemu-64 on an otherwise 32-bit system because of spice support |
| 19:02.32 | tremon | I've tried the latter a month ago, some dependencies weren't yet multiarch so need to try that one again |
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| 19:11.27 | nsadmin | spice isn't connected to berkeley spice is it? |
| 19:11.46 | trysten | the spice must flow |
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| 19:13.07 | fas3r | Hello |
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| 19:13.27 | thejapa | the spice extends consciousness |
| 19:13.28 | zecrazytux | nsadmin: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/SPICE |
| 19:13.32 | tremon | http://spice-space.org/ |
| 19:14.16 | tremon | it's a vnc-like interface aimed specifically at vdi (desktop virtualization) |
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| 19:15.22 | nsadmin | oh, ok; berkeley spice is (other than a euphamism for lsd) a circuit emulator |
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| 19:15.48 | waa_programmer | thank you for helping me :) |
| 19:16.08 | waa_programmer | i have installed bigmem kernel and i can use my 4gb of ram now ;) |
| 19:16.30 | nsadmin | waa_programmer, what do you program? (congrats btw) |
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| 19:16.59 | waa_programmer | nothing special ;) |
| 19:17.11 | waa_programmer | i dont have a time for my own projects :( |
| 19:17.32 | waa_programmer | wooooow |
| 19:17.37 | waa_programmer | my new lamp is great |
| 19:17.49 | nsadmin | trade for an old lamp? |
| 19:17.53 | waa_programmer | i feel a fresh air |
| 19:18.31 | waa_programmer | new but not as replacement |
| 19:18.34 | waa_programmer | just new item :D |
| 19:18.53 | waa_programmer | lamp that change a water to a fog :D |
| 19:18.57 | jordanm | tremon: that looks interesting, thanks for the link |
| 19:19.06 | waa_programmer | and makes an air fresher and colder :D |
| 19:19.33 | nsadmin | cool :) |
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| 19:20.58 | waa_programmer | ok |
| 19:21.18 | waa_programmer | i have said thanks to you so I going out ;) |
| 19:21.19 | waa_programmer | cu |
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| 19:41.58 | proby | Salem , am having debian squeeze and compiz with emerald running on it , the problem that the panels and comoiz itself takes about 10 seconds to load and i don't know fro where to start , please help ! |
| 19:42.54 | |rt| | I'm planning on setting up a private debian repo for internal use at my company. Looking at the documentation on setting up a repo there appears to be a number of different packages. Is there a preferred package? I'm currently leaning towards mini-dinstall. |
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| 19:43.57 | nsadmin | |rt|, you want to mirror it so anyone can install debian and/or packages? |
| 19:44.39 | |rt| | nsadmin: it's to host packages for internally developed software and to package customized builds |
| 19:45.24 | |rt| | nsadmin: I was also planning on looking into setting up an apt-proxy of some sort but that isn't high on my priority list for now |
| 19:45.26 | nsadmin | so that would be an internal distribution which is based on debian... |
| 19:45.55 | |rt| | nsadmin: well I was planning on things to still be Debian...just with an extra repository for our own packages |
| 19:46.36 | nsadmin | do you want to host debian itself so that installs go to the internal server? |
| 19:46.51 | nsadmin | (among other things, I get that) |
| 19:47.47 | nsadmin | if the answer is yes, then I recommend you have two separate repos, one for debian and one for your custom stuff |
| 19:47.56 | |rt| | nsadmin: I don't think I need to host debian |
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| 19:48.26 | thewanderer1 | proxy for Debian and custom repo for extras, no mixing |
| 19:48.34 | |rt| | nsadmin: our environment is mostly freebsd with some debian boxes....just trying to streamline the management of custom packages on the debian boxes |
| 19:49.02 | nsadmin | ok, you should check out man 5 sources.list which tells you about two different kinds of repos, one like a mirror, the other simpler |
| 19:49.40 | |rt| | thewanderer1: yeah that's going to be my ultimate goal....have a local apt-proxy and repo in each of our datacenters |
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| 19:50.12 | |rt| | thewanderer1: although I may just put this in one of our core datacenters...probably overkill to have it in all of our edge datacenters |
| 19:51.08 | nsadmin | do you have extra connectivity between datacenters? |
| 19:51.18 | |rt| | nsadmin: yes |
| 19:51.45 | nsadmin | then you're probably right, just one in the core |
| 19:52.26 | nsadmin | you can also have a proxy for the custom stuff in each of the edge dcs |
| 19:52.45 | |rt| | nsadmin: that may not be a bad idea |
| 19:53.36 | |rt| | nsadmin: most of our debian boxes are in the core datacenter sites right now though now that I think about it |
| 19:54.42 | nsadmin | that's a good pt to consider... that makes the scale go the other way |
| 19:54.57 | |rt| | nsadmin: do you think mini-dinstall is good enough for running an internal repo? |
| 19:55.11 | |rt| | nsadmin: just trying to avoid having to manage another database |
| 19:55.14 | nsadmin | not familiar with that |
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| 19:56.23 | thejapa | thewanderer1, thanks buddy, 3.2.0 worked like a charm. the /sys dell backlight value is useless, but the intel backlight is working |
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| 19:56.56 | thejapa | thewanderer1, now my wife won't scream at me when using the laptop in the bedroom :) |
| 19:57.08 | thewanderer1 | thejapa: glad you got it to work :P |
| 19:57.31 | |rt| | nsadmin: well I guess I'll start with that and see how it works out |
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| 20:02.13 | cuit | is there any reason for using a debian 'desktop' distro beyond drivers, pre-installed stuff and the fact they're usually in testing? |
| 20:02.34 | kajo | hi @ * |
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| 20:03.18 | Pataloca | y |
| 20:03.23 | kajo | i 've got this problem: http://pastebin.com/0Hhedrxe how can i disable/stop/control/sabotage this asus-intel *BIOS-BACKDOOR* ? |
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| 20:04.14 | cuit | kajo: burn your laptop? (noidea) |
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| 20:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I prefer using an axe |
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| 20:12.17 | jelly-home | kajo: that does not sound like a debian-specific issue |
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| 20:12.49 | jelly-home | or a linux issue at all |
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| 20:15.17 | kajo | jelly-home: why not? i'm using linux, and i'm trying to find a way to disable that 'feature'. So, it *IS* a linux issue. |
| 20:15.38 | cuit | kajo: lol. self-owned. |
| 20:16.10 | cuit | kajo: I drink coffee, doesn't mean my arm exploding is a coffee issue :3 |
| 20:16.13 | kajo | cuit: uh?! |
| 20:16.32 | cuit | kajo: self-owned because you admitted it's a linux issue if either and this is #debian not #linux |
| 20:16.50 | jelly-home | kajo: nope, a bios/chipset feature still not an OS issue, sorry. Try in ##hardware, or a vendor specific forum, or start googling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Disabling_and_re-enabling_Intel_AMT |
| 20:17.19 | cuit | Soldering irons are fun too :3 |
| 20:17.24 | kajo | cuit: can you sum 1 plus 1 ? a) i use debian on this laptop. b) this laptop has this problem c) i'm trying to find a way to handle that stuff and to disable it *via* *debian*. that's it. |
| 20:17.34 | jelly-home | kajo: it'd be present regardless of the OS installed or used |
| 20:17.41 | cuit | ^^ |
| 20:18.22 | jelly-home | and you'd be happy even with a BIOS option to disable it or a remote mgt system that could remotely disable it using the feature itself <g> |
| 20:18.24 | kajo | jelly-home: lol, that wikipedia link is the link i posted ~10 minutes ago XD |
| 20:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps you should read it? |
| 20:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... time to move on |
| 20:19.20 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 20:19.37 | kajo | jelly-home: ah, ok . repeat that next time someone come here because he asks help to configure a wifi card or to install a module :P |
| 20:19.52 | cuit | kajo: Kay |
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| 20:20.12 | jelly-home | kajo: I'm just saying this is not the optimal place to hunt for the workaround. If there's a better venue, you can bet your sweet ass I'm going to point the hypothetical user elsewhere. |
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| 20:20.38 | jelly-home | this is completely orthogonal to Debian |
| 20:20.41 | cuit | Guys I installed Gentoo over debian and did it wrong, how do I install wayland on gentoo? |
| 20:20.47 | jelly-home | pretty much |
| 20:20.59 | kajo | <jelly-home>"it'd be present regardless of the OS installed or used" <<--- just like a wireless card . this doesnt mean that it has nothing to do with debian. Also debian users use wireless cards. |
| 20:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
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| 20:21.21 | kajo | ok |
| 20:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | kajo, your answer is: you gotta run nosmoke.exe, but it's not packaged for debian, so you gotta look somewhere else |
| 20:21.25 | cuit | kajo: that's helping something be able to use debian, your issue is very specific and uncommon |
| 20:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | now time to move on |
| 20:21.32 | jelly-home | kajo sorry dude, I'm not going to comment on your issue in the channel any more |
| 20:21.48 | jelly-home | oops, /msg and /me are not the same thing |
| 20:22.00 | jparkton | lol |
| 20:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, people have often remarked on that |
| 20:22.20 | cuit | If people complain about debian they should be told to install gentoo then say debian sucks; that's what I do :P |
| 20:22.26 | jparkton | and /msg != /query |
| 20:23.00 | kajo | CutMeOwnThroat: waat? the bios has to do with every OS, be it linux, win, apple, pineapple, freebsd etc .. what does that .exe has to do with this ? o.O |
| 20:23.01 | pparadis | jparkton: i got into the habit of using /query a long time ago after accidentally sending a /msg to the wrong person. :) |
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| 20:23.44 | cuit | Hey question here, what are the deb-src repos in apt sources? Are there ways to install debian packages from source? |
| 20:23.48 | pparadis | kajo: that .exe is probably the utility you need to use to update your BIOS. just a guess there. |
| 20:24.04 | jparkton | lol |
| 20:24.08 | jordanm | cuit: yes, they download the source debian packages which can be built with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:24.34 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell cuit about source |
| 20:24.36 | cuit | jordanm: So it only downloads, it won't install right away like with typical apt-get install? |
| 20:24.44 | jparkton | cuit source is the ONLY way to fly |
| 20:25.05 | jordanm | cuit: they are already built and ready to install with apt-get install, those are the binary packages |
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| 20:25.44 | cuit | Hmm, what happens when I want to update? Do I apt-get upgrade and it'll download, recompile the same as before (or ask if I want to change my flags?) and install? |
| 20:25.50 | AnotherTest | Is it possible to install g++ 4.7 on squeeze? If so, how? |
| 20:26.29 | cuit | jordanm: Sometimes over-compensatory binaries, just curious how to go about it if I were so-minded to have an optimized install |
| 20:26.36 | jelly-home | AnotherTest: not via debian packaging system. What's your real goal? |
| 20:26.43 | pparadis | cuit: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 20:27.16 | AnotherTest | jelly-home: My goal is to be able to use C++11 features only supported in g++ 4.7 |
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| 20:27.48 | jelly-home | AnotherTest: you could set up a wheezy chroot environment using debootstrap |
| 20:28.20 | jelly-home | you would not be able to build stuff to work on squeeze, but if you don't need that... |
| 20:28.43 | AnotherTest | jelly-home: any information on how to do that? sorry, I'm new to debian |
| 20:28.52 | jelly-home | !debootstrap |
| 20:28.52 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 20:29.25 | AnotherTest | oh |
| 20:29.30 | AnotherTest | any other options? |
| 20:29.40 | cuit | "In the case of packages made specifically for Debian, ..." What's that mean? |
| 20:29.53 | cuit | Aren't they all? :P |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | AnotherTest: well... install GCC (gcc, g++) from source in a non-system prefix |
| 20:30.13 | cuit | or implying stuff like Iceweasel which I'm not aware there's much of |
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| 20:31.51 | cuit | Also what benifits are there of compiling the package automatically after downloading the source? Won't that have the same effect as installing the binary? |
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| 20:32.10 | cuit | (oh, or will it ask what flags to apply once downloaded and configuring?) |
| 20:32.17 | engla | cuit: do you mean dkms packages? |
| 20:33.05 | jelly-home | cuit: people usually do that to change build settings, or get newer versions |
| 20:33.53 | cuit | engla: Not sure... no? |
| 20:34.00 | kajo | pparadis: no, it's a simple file (not EXE) . Simply put it on an usb stick and choose the file in the bios menu. |
| 20:34.08 | jelly-home | cuit: building a binary package, however, is divorced from installing. You might build it on one system and install and use on another |
| 20:34.18 | cuit | jelly-home: I mean does automatically compiling provide you with one of those taskel prompts for features to compile? |
| 20:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 20:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, why don't you just try it and see what it does |
| 20:34.50 | engla | cuit: dkms packages are the only automatically compiled (on installation) packages I know in debian |
| 20:34.52 | jelly-home | cuit: no, there's no pretty gui or curses ui to pick build settings |
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| 20:35.14 | jelly-home | cuit: it's just automation of a couple steps |
| 20:35.21 | cuit | engla: I was talking about using apt to get source |
| 20:35.40 | cuit | jelly-home: oh, that was my question, why would someone do that? |
| 20:35.42 | pparadis | kajo: an .exe was mentioned earlier, and traditionally BIOS updates have been done via routes like that. in this case, perhaps it writes the actual firmware file your BIOS needs to update itself with. more than that, i don't know, because i don't use your hardware and i haven't looked further into it. |
| 20:35.51 | jelly-home | cuit: people usually do that to change build settings, or get newer versions |
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| 20:35.55 | AnotherTest | jelly-home: I tried building from source earlier and I failed. I really do not want to go through the whole process again. |
| 20:36.32 | jelly-home | AnotherTest: you're not a proper linux power user until you've built your own toolchain at least once! |
| 20:36.34 | engla | cuit: oh ok. It can be a way to automatically backport a package |
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| 20:36.50 | engla | (if the build-deps allow) |
| 20:36.56 | pparadis | kajo: you might want to get in touch with your laptop manufacturer about the issue you're experiencing. they may be able to provide the feedback you need. |
| 20:37.07 | cuit | engla: ah, in the event the source is more updated than the backport, makessense thanks |
| 20:37.08 | pparadis | or they may tell you they don't care. dunno. |
| 20:37.19 | AnotherTest | jelly-home: I have done it once with gcc-4.6; but I do not want to do that again |
| 20:37.41 | engla | AnotherTest: apparently backports has no g++ for squeeze |
| 20:37.51 | jelly-home | AnotherTest: you'll have to use some OS other than squeeze, then |
| 20:38.06 | engla | (probably because of multiarch changes?) |
| 20:38.12 | jelly-home | ,v gcc-snapshot |
| 20:38.14 | judd | Package: gcc-snapshot on i386 -- sid: 20120704-1 |
| 20:38.27 | jelly-home | ah right, that's never in stable |
| 20:38.39 | cuit | Not a very debiany question but these ones need as many suggestions as I can get; Can anyone recommend a decent-strength but budget notebook laptop for running Free Software? |
| 20:38.53 | cuit | (partly debiany because I'd likely run debian on it) |
| 20:39.14 | jelly-home | cuit: ##hardware; ##debian-offtopic; ##linux maybe |
| 20:39.23 | jordanm | cuit: just aim for intel graphics and wifi, those are the primary pieces that would have hardware incompatibility issues |
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| 20:39.37 | jelly-home | oops. #debian-offtopic has just one # |
| 20:40.14 | jelly-home | cuit: also: NOT the latest generation of hardware. always at least N-1 |
| 20:40.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | now with 10% extra? |
| 20:40.44 | cuit | Are Intel Graphics the best supported? |
| 20:40.47 | jelly-home | also2: nvidia instead of intel if you want performance and can live with non-free drivers |
| 20:40.54 | jordanm | jelly-home: depends on how long the current generation has been around |
| 20:40.56 | jelly-home | cuit: in theory, yes |
| 20:41.14 | cuit | jelly-home: Not really, it'd be a permanent itch in my mind |
| 20:41.17 | engla | double graphics cards don't seem to work well |
| 20:41.26 | jordanm | cuit: they had a "rough" spot late lenny, but mostly well supported |
| 20:41.31 | jelly-home | cuit: in practice, video-intel drivers start to deteriorate after 2-3 years the chip has been out |
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| 20:41.39 | cuit | O_o |
| 20:41.51 | cuit | How's that? Drivers.. deteriorate? |
| 20:41.56 | jordanm | bit rot |
| 20:42.02 | jelly-home | yes. Regressions. |
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| 20:42.15 | cuit | Intel sabotages their drivers? |
| 20:42.16 | engla | at the moment, sandy bridge is still moving upwards |
| 20:42.27 | jelly-home | not intentionally |
| 20:42.34 | engla | cuit: they have one big driver for a wide range of cards |
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| 20:42.42 | cuit | Ahhh |
| 20:42.44 | jelly-home | they just don't really care for older hw |
| 20:42.48 | cuit | Gets bloated? |
| 20:43.12 | jelly-home | and they tend do rewrite the thing every 2-3 years |
| 20:43.24 | jelly-home | EXA, UXA, there's a third one now |
| 20:43.29 | cuit | What about AMD? I heard they're the best for freeing their source |
| 20:43.35 | jelly-home | fuck amd |
| 20:43.49 | cuit | Yea I've certainly heard conflicting things :P |
| 20:44.03 | jelly-home | if you want to mine bitcoin, then sure |
| 20:44.32 | cuit | Such bad choices :p |
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| 20:44.41 | jelly-home | (or do other gpgpu on linux; but for graphics, there's less trouble with nvidia or intel) |
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| 20:45.16 | engla | jelly-home: new is SNA |
| 20:45.17 | kajo | nvidia == *real* crap |
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| 20:45.18 | cuit | Intel good then bloat, Nvidia poor freeness from company, amd.. what did amd do? :P |
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| 20:45.37 | jelly-home | cuit: not make decent drivers |
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| 20:45.50 | jelly-home | engla: yeah :-( |
| 20:46.00 | tremon | amd does have the best-performing cards under open drivers though |
| 20:46.02 | cuit | jelly-home: I heard in places that they're much better at releasing specs and code for drivers |
| 20:46.08 | engla | SNA looks promising but has glitches |
| 20:46.21 | jelly-home | tremon: do those drivers not crash each week? |
| 20:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... need a matrox card |
| 20:46.34 | tremon | the open drivers have *never* crashed on me |
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| 20:46.48 | engla | in practice, SNB and new intel platforms work great on linux right now. Linux 3.4 etc keep adding improvements |
| 20:47.08 | cuit | I have an ATi card and with my limited time on debian, ubuntu and a few others I've never had graphics issues |
| 20:48.19 | cuit | I want a dedicated GNU/* laptop so I can start using it more primarily, I need something isolated from my files and I'd like to not have to figure out my hardware everytime I install a distro |
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| 20:48.37 | tremon | problem with amd is that 1) they are very slow to release open drivers for new cards (as in, a year late and then delivering only 2d support) and 2) they recently started requiring firmware blobs even for 2d operation |
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| 20:50.11 | cuit | Just found http://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linux-graphics-essay Might be enlightening, unlike most stuff I find from the (GNU/)linuxfoundation |
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| 20:51.27 | cuit | I'll read it regardless but skipping to the bottom does reveal that "Intel would be perfectly poised to capitalise" |
| 20:51.27 | fas3r | what means the R for the ps status ? I found that it's "Running or runnable (on run queue)" but what does it means ? |
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| 20:51.54 | fas3r | does R stat can provoc 100% CPU ? |
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| 20:52.04 | jelly-home | fas3r: one of the cpu cores is just running (or scheduling to run) the process |
| 20:52.24 | fas3r | jelly-home: is it possible that this provoc 100% CPU ? |
| 20:52.43 | tremon | cuit: note that the article is from 2009, and the cynic in me would say that Intel "failed to capitalise" on whatever James is saying next |
| 20:52.44 | jelly-home | fas3r: both are a symptom of a busy process |
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| 20:53.04 | fas3r | jelly-home: so it could be the why of the what :) ? |
| 20:53.22 | jelly-home | fas3r: that's just how a process eating cpu time looks like. |
| 20:53.36 | cuit | tremon: ah yes |
| 20:53.36 | jelly-home | fas3r: what, not why |
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| 20:54.28 | fas3r | jelly-home: there is something which i dont understand, when i checked the CPU in top, it was 5% used, but the process was at 100%, is it 2 different thing ? |
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| 20:54.46 | engla | cuit: since linux foundation works with the kernel, "gnu/linux" is a hypercorrection in that context |
| 20:54.55 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: you still here? |
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| 20:55.31 | TehRabbitt-Work | my machine rebooted and i lost the scrollback where you explained how to assign br0 to a vlan / allow DHCP + TFTP to also work on it, while routing to eth0 |
| 20:56.00 | TehRabbitt-Work | you mentioned making eth0 a trunk port, and then assigning a vlan to br0 |
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| 20:56.19 | cuit | According to this article AMD made ATi go more 'opensource' and (I wasn't aware) they worked with Novell to produce a free software AMD Graphics driver while X.Org devs used the open documentation to create their own version; sounds promising |
| 20:56.39 | jelly-home | fas3r: if you had 20 cores or thread units, one core at 100% would make 5% total cpu usage |
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| 20:56.53 | fas3r | jelly-home: ho oki. |
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| 20:57.18 | cuit | Do graphics chips handle 3D graphics? |
| 20:57.24 | jelly-home | fas3r: press 1 in top to toggle some related views; also: I (capital i) |
| 20:57.33 | fas3r | jelly-home: oki |
| 20:57.43 | tresk | Hi, is the Pulseaudio website down? |
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| 20:58.10 | fas3r | jelly-home: thanks for your explanation |
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| 20:58.26 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: yup, but watching a rather silly movie... anyway, you create vlan interfaces on the eth ports (uplink and downlink) and trunk it to the switch |
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| 20:58.32 | jelly-home | tresk: http://DownForEveryoneOrJustMe.com/www.pulseaudio.org/ |
| 20:59.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: off topic, but what movie? :D and hm, so wait, theres eth0 and eth1 (Intel Pro100 dual port) that I'm only using eth0 on... this will connect to the L3 switch that the vlans are on.... that port becomes a trunk? |
| 20:59.36 | fas3r | jelly-home: I have 7 core |
| 20:59.43 | fas3r | so it was not 5% :) |
| 20:59.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | what happens to eth3 and eth4 (gigabit ports) that are currently assigned to br0 |
| 20:59.46 | tresk | I have a problem with my soundcards, when I reboot or my system wakes up from suspend mode my soundcard is changed and volume is 100% ... Anyone an Idea how to fix this |
| 21:00.07 | jordanm | file a bug, wait a few years |
| 21:00.10 | jelly-home | fas3r: 7 is a weird number of cores! |
| 21:00.16 | wolfric | should the command apt-get -t sid slapd not work? i can see the slapd package in sid atm... |
| 21:00.21 | jordanm | fas3r: it starts counting at 0 |
| 21:00.30 | fas3r | jelly-home: hooo right |
| 21:00.40 | fas3r | jelly-home: so 8 |
| 21:00.40 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: that port becomes a "trunk" in Cisco terminology, yeah. why do you have 2 ports on br0? |
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| 21:01.11 | jordanm | fas3r: those might not be 8 real cores, you could only have 4 real cores and 4 hyperthreaded cores |
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| 21:01.21 | jordanm | fas3r: the core id should show you that |
| 21:01.41 | fas3r | jordanm: I can't see them in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 21:01.43 | jhutchins | Is there a way to do continuous monitoring of dmesg like tail -f? |
| 21:01.56 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: well, tail -f /var/log/dmesg? |
| 21:02.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: well br0 is eth3 and eth4 , because I have two, 16 port dumb switches assigned to each port, one per port, to give a total of 30 devices being able to be connected at once |
| 21:02.19 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Try that. |
| 21:02.20 | jordanm | thewanderer1: no, /var/log/dmesg is a snapshot of kmesg from boot |
| 21:02.33 | tremon | jhutchins: kern.log |
| 21:02.37 | jordanm | thewanderer1: the dmesg commands displays what's in the kmesg buffer currently |
| 21:02.43 | fas3r | jordanm: yes probably because the processor are : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 |
| 21:02.54 | jordanm | jhutchins: install klogd and setup syslog to put it into its own file. tail -f that file |
| 21:03.04 | oss117 | hi guys, stupid question about using screen, when I have splited screens as I want it looks like to be, how can I detach and reattach keeping the same layout ? it seems I do lost spliting setting when I detach/reattach |
| 21:03.11 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Interesting, it's different on debian. On rhel that's a binary file, on debian it ends at boot. |
| 21:03.15 | fas3r | jordanm: so I guess it's as you said 4 real and 4 HT core |
| 21:03.57 | oss117 | is it possible to save layout of screens when detaching ? |
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| 21:04.08 | nsadmin | aolisms 4 the win |
| 21:04.20 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: okay. so you create a vlan interface on the uplink (that goes to the main switch), and bridge this vlan iface to the internal eth's |
| 21:04.21 | jordanm | fas3r: grep 'core id' /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u |
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| 21:05.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | Ah |
| 21:05.23 | fas3r | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/L91jrNad |
| 21:05.53 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: so basically, i'm creating a vlan interface on eth0, and then adding that interface to br0 along with eth3 and eth4 |
| 21:06.02 | TehRabbitt-Work | so devices plugged into eth3 and eth4, will be able to see other machines on that vlan |
| 21:06.11 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: yes. and eth0 physical device doesn't have any IP address. |
| 21:06.11 | jordanm | fas3r: 4 cores hyperthreaded |
| 21:06.13 | fas3r | jordanm: i dont understand the output of the command that you gave me :D |
| 21:06.18 | fas3r | ok |
| 21:06.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: ah okay |
| 21:06.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: so remove / comment out eth1 stanza? |
| 21:07.06 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: all IP config goes to the bridge - the stanzas for physical NICs should be "iface eth* inet manual" with empty stanza body |
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| 21:08.05 | zleslie | Howdy. I see that wheezy default to python2.7, but pip wants to bring in 2.6. Will pip be able to install 2.7 packages? |
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| 21:08.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: I think i get it.... also, is this a good tut for setting up the vlans? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-linux-virtual-local-area-network-vlan.html |
| 21:09.32 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: any tutorial that still mentions ifconfig is stale at best |
| 21:09.34 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: yeah, only completely irrelevant to Debian :P |
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| 21:09.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: wait what?!? no more ifconfig? |
| 21:10.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: lol oh |
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| 21:10.49 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: sec, I'll fetch an example |
| 21:11.13 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: the preferred tool is ip (iproute package) |
| 21:11.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | ah |
| 21:11.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | tremon: how long as ip been the preferred tool? |
| 21:12.13 | dondelelcaro | TehRabbitt-Work: for about 4 years or so |
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| 21:12.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | dondelelcaro: damn :-| and all these years i've grown comfortable with ifconfig :-| lol |
| 21:12.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | I guess I better learn IP |
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| 21:12.52 | dondelelcaro | ifconfig works, it's just not anywhere near as powerful as ip |
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| 21:12.58 | tremon | ifconfig still (mostly) works though. But the vlan interface config is much better with ip |
| 21:13.12 | oss117 | it is friday, I hope you will forgive me for this spam : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PJv11Cff5Y |
| 21:13.14 | thewanderer1 | ifconfig is common with BSD, which is about the only reason you might want to still learn it :P |
| 21:13.16 | tremon | needs to brush up on his typing speed |
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| 21:15.07 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: http://www.candelatech.com/~greear/vlan.html |
| 21:15.11 | thewanderer1 | TehRabbitt-Work: http://paste.debian.net/177999/ |
| 21:15.34 | tremon | TehRabbitt-Work: you can stop reading at ---legacy section--- ;) |
| 21:15.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | thx :D |
| 21:15.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | and lol |
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| 21:16.22 | thewanderer1 | and yeah, the ip syntax is useful, but non-permanent |
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| 21:17.09 | GNU\colossus | ah, ip can manage VLAN tags? neato. |
| 21:17.16 | GNU\colossus | no vconfig any more. good riddance :) |
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| 21:17.35 | tremon | GNU\colossus: note the date on that page (line 2 ;) |
| 21:17.57 | thewanderer1 | GNU\colossus: ip can manage pretty much anything... it's not so much "ip" as "manage-your-network-one-stop-shop" |
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| 21:18.15 | tremon | thewanderer1: last time I checked, I had to use the pre-up hook in interfaces because there was no support in interfaces(5). Has that changed since? |
| 21:18.24 | tremon | (vlan support I mean) |
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| 21:18.32 | thewanderer1 | tremon: yes |
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| 21:18.41 | tremon | cool... got a link? |
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| 21:18.52 | tremon | pounces on man interfaces |
| 21:19.01 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys .... sound recording not working ! |
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| 21:19.48 | thewanderer1 | tremon: I just googled it some time ago and it's been working on production for a year... :P |
| 21:20.01 | dantix | hi all, are there a way to check the progress status of a mkfs from other ssh session than where it is running? |
| 21:21.03 | tremon | dantix: how large is that disk, that you need to monitor the progress of mkfs? |
| 21:21.28 | dantix | tremon: 1TB |
| 21:21.49 | tremon | which filesystem? |
| 21:21.56 | dantix | ext3 |
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| 21:23.29 | jordanm | dantix: no, your only indication is the terminal itself and the number of inodes remaining to write |
| 21:23.54 | engla | dantix: did you consider other filesystems? |
| 21:24.05 | dantix | jordanm: thank you very much |
| 21:24.13 | dantix | engla: why? |
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| 21:24.52 | engla | dantix: ext3 does not scale well, fsck takes a long time |
| 21:24.58 | jordanm | something like XFS allocates inodes dynamically, so it formats a lot faster. the time it takes to format is usually not a good reason to choose a filesystem though |
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| 21:25.16 | tremon | jordanm: is it realistic for mkfs.ext3 to take that long? I haven't checked, but I don't remember mkfs ever taking long |
| 21:25.38 | jordanm | tremon: for 1TB, maybe a few minutes depending on disk speed |
| 21:25.44 | thewanderer1 | well, mkfs.ext3 has always been pretty slow for me |
| 21:25.52 | jordanm | I used format a lot of 9TB arrays ext4, and that would take over an hour |
| 21:26.17 | jordanm | fsck would take even longer |
| 21:26.35 | dantix | jordanm: I have not that concept, I'll take your advice next time |
| 21:28.07 | dantix | thanks all o/ |
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| 21:37.42 | wolfric | how can i get a list of the original compile options for a package? Or if i do apt-get source package and go to ./configure + make will it automatically have any flags configured that the maintainer compiled it with? |
| 21:38.34 | jordanm | wolfric: some applications support dumping those options, otherwise you need to download the source package and look at debian/rules |
| 21:39.55 | shahrul | hi, anybody have experience in rutorrent? |
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| 21:42.58 | smw_ | how can I get a list of build dependencies without using apt-get build-dep? |
| 21:43.16 | nkuttler | ,v rutorrent |
| 21:43.17 | judd | No package named 'rutorrent' was found in i386. |
| 21:43.19 | smw_ | I just want a straight list, not deps of deps |
| 21:43.24 | nkuttler | shahrul: doesn't seem to be in debian |
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| 21:43.52 | shahrul | nkuttler: im using debian atm |
| 21:44.30 | nkuttler | shahrul: and? |
| 21:45.21 | shahrul | nkuttler: i have problem.. |
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| 21:45.46 | shahrul | Bad link to rTorrent. Check if it is really running. Check $scgi_port and $scgi_host settings in config.php and scgi_port in rTorrent configuration file. |
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| 21:46.17 | nkuttler | shahrul: well rutorrent is not in debian, so you should find their support, or read the error |
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| 21:47.16 | shahrul | hmm |
| 21:47.20 | shahrul | its the error |
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| 21:53.15 | altruism | is port 21 closed by default in Squeeze/Wheezy? |
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| 21:54.29 | nkuttler | altruism: firewalled? no |
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| 21:56.48 | altruism | nkuttler: I am on a fresh install of Wheexzy, I installed vsftpd, did some confiuration, the service is running... but I get no connection |
| 21:57.21 | altruism | nkuttler: I am on a fresh install of Wheezy, I installed vsftpd, did some confiuration, the service is running... but I get no connection |
| 21:57.51 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 21:57.52 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 21:58.15 | jordanm | "get no connection" is pretty vague |
| 21:58.23 | tremon | altruism: tried netstat -ln? |
| 21:58.26 | kbar | altruism: check your logs? |
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| 22:01.18 | altruism | jordanm: is it? "connection refused" |
| 22:01.29 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.18 | altruism | jordanm: are you kidding? when I try to connect 2 the server with any ftp complient client |
| 22:02.49 | altruism | tremon: I do not see port 21 when I do netstat |
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| 22:09.06 | midow | hi, i have a problem with free space, i'm supposed to have 200mb left but i have 0 instead: /dev/sda1 9,9G 9,7G 0 100% / |
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| 22:09.24 | zinx | sigh |
| 22:09.38 | zinx | midow: some space is reserved for root so essential processes are still able to write to the disk |
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| 22:10.03 | midow | oh crap |
| 22:10.07 | midow | i have no root on this |
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| 22:10.58 | midow | zinx: what's that "some space", is there some way to know the specific size of it? |
| 22:11.18 | zinx | midow: yes |
| 22:11.32 | zinx | midow: but it's filesystem dependent.. on ext2/3/4, tune2fs will tell you |
| 22:11.52 | midow | aaah kk |
| 22:11.53 | midow | thank you |
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| 22:12.21 | thewanderer1 | default 5% |
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| 22:44.44 | jhutchins | Having trouble with an XFS filesystem. It should be the majority of 2TB, about 70M of whatever units fdisk -l reports. There are two partitions, one is a "rtdev" partition. When I mount them (mount -t xfs -o rtdev=/dev/sda3 /dev/sda2 /mnt/new) it shows 15G on /mnt/new - which I presume is the size of /dev/sda2, not sda3 which has like 70M blocks (whatever fdisk reports in). |
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| 22:58.30 | simonlnu | not sure what rtdev is (sounds like real-time device to me) |
| 22:58.40 | simonlnu | !rtdev |
| 22:58.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | thewanderer1: hey, trying to finally set up the vlan part in the /etc/network/interfaces following your paste: http://paste.debian.net/177999/ |
| 22:59.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | had a quick quesiton... I assign an ip to br0, and i add eth3 and eth4 and eth1.3 to br0 |
| 22:59.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | but where do I specify what vlan eth1.3 is? |
| 22:59.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | ohhh nvm |
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| 23:01.23 | fikus | Hello, Hoe i can receive wheezy from squeeze? |
| 23:01.32 | fikus | how* |
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| 23:03.46 | dvs | !tell fikus about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 23:05.37 | fikus | @dvs thank! |
| 23:06.13 | dvs | np |
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| 23:08.29 | fikus | @dvs I need to update gcc from 4.2 to 4.5 or 4.7. When I update my source.list adding sid I after updating I receive gnome for core 3.0 and startx command receive error core version. How correctly update gcc? |
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| 23:09.11 | dvs | fikus: mixing versions like that is HIGHLY UNADVISABLE. |
| 23:10.08 | fikus | @dvs i receve error when i user current version of gcc |
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| 23:10.53 | fikus | @dvs program work fine with 4.6 or 4.7 version |
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| 23:11.41 | engla | fikus: your new problem is much worse :-( you've updated to sid |
| 23:11.50 | pparadis | fikus: irc is not twitter, and @ has specific meaning in irc (operator). you may wish to trim the "@" from your messages. |
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| 23:12.30 | fikus | pparadis, sorry |
| 23:12.43 | pparadis | oh it's not a huge deal, but some folks get antsy about it ;) |
| 23:13.18 | pparadis | but as engla has pointed out, you indeed have a bigger problem. |
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| 23:16.16 | TehRabbitt-Work | how can I force eth1 to be shutdown? |
| 23:16.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | i've tried ifdown eth1 but its saying it's already down |
| 23:16.42 | ernstl | --force |
| 23:16.51 | oss117 | unplug the cable =) |
| 23:17.09 | ernstl | or maybe use ip |
| 23:17.23 | ernstl | ip link set eth1 down |
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| 23:21.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | so if I have two eth interfaces in my system, eth0 and eth1, and I want to bridge vlan 200 from eth0.206 to the dumb switch connected to eth1... do I have to create eth1.206 as well and then add eth0.206 and eth1.206 to the br0 group? |
| 23:21.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | or do I just add eth1 and eth0.206 |
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| 23:22.35 | oss117 | why not bridge eth0 and eth1 together ? |
| 23:22.52 | oss117 | do I haven't read the history yet |
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| 23:23.58 | oss117 | a bridge is layer2, do you want to brige relating to vlan tagging ? |
| 23:24.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: because eth0 is connected to a trunk port |
| 23:24.16 | oss117 | oh ok |
| 23:24.25 | TehRabbitt-Work | I want all devices connected to a dumb switch on eth1 to have traffic going over a specific vlan on eth0 |
| 23:24.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka vlan 200 |
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| 23:25.38 | oss117 | so far as you bridge 2 interfaces... the trafic will be copied |
| 23:25.54 | oss117 | so who cares about vlan ? |
| 23:26.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: for what i'm trying to do, I need vlans... I am running DHCPD + TFTP on each br0 on each device |
| 23:26.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | total of 20 devices |
| 23:26.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | 20 vlans |
| 23:26.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | it's complicated. |
| 23:26.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | but I can't figure out the network config |
| 23:26.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | :-| |
| 23:27.01 | oss117 | the brigde is not aware about vlan tagging |
| 23:27.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay, eth0 connects to my core network |
| 23:27.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | via vlan trunk |
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| 23:27.52 | oss117 | ok |
| 23:27.54 | TehRabbitt-Work | eth3 and eth4 are part of a bridge operating dhcpd + tftpd |
| 23:27.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | and has a static IP assigned to it |
| 23:28.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | 10.5.200.5 |
| 23:28.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:28.17 | TehRabbitt-Work | my cisco router is 10.5.200.1 |
| 23:28.36 | oss117 | ok |
| 23:28.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | eth0 connects to the core network which contains vlans 1-250 |
| 23:29.32 | TehRabbitt-Work | basically I want all devices on eth3 and eth4 to be able to connect to vlan 200 |
| 23:29.40 | oss117 | ok your router has 3 interfaces, external is eth0 |
| 23:29.44 | TehRabbitt-Work | correct. |
| 23:30.17 | oss117 | eth3 and eth4 are bridged |
| 23:30.22 | TehRabbitt-Work | correct |
| 23:31.13 | oss117 | so you try do get an address from the dhcp server tought the bridge right ? |
| 23:31.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | no no |
| 23:31.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | well |
| 23:31.33 | oss117 | tell us what you are trying to do |
| 23:31.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | there will be about 30-50 clients connecting to eth3 and eth4 via a dumb switch |
| 23:32.01 | oss117 | yup |
| 23:32.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | they will be receiving dhcp leases from the debian box, between 10.5.200.6-10.5.200.254 |
| 23:32.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | I have dhcpd listening on br0 |
| 23:32.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | and I have br0 statically assigned to 10.5.200.5 |
| 23:32.41 | oss117 | hmmm on eth4 maybe ? |
| 23:32.52 | TehRabbitt-Work | ?? |
| 23:33.00 | oss117 | you can not bind service on a bridge |
| 23:33.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: it worked fine before |
| 23:33.08 | oss117 | only on an interface |
| 23:33.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | it worked perfectly before |
| 23:33.26 | oss117 | eth4 or eth3 |
| 23:33.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | I had two dumb switches, one to eth3 and one to eth 4 |
| 23:33.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | 15 machines on each |
| 23:33.38 | oss117 | ok |
| 23:33.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | all 30 machines got leases |
| 23:33.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | the problem i'm running into is... |
| 23:33.54 | oss117 | I am talking about the dhcpd service |
| 23:34.04 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: it binds to br0 perfectly |
| 23:34.10 | oss117 | on which interface is it listening on ? |
| 23:34.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | br0 |
| 23:34.17 | oss117 | doh |
| 23:34.21 | TehRabbitt-Work | i'm telling you, that is how I have it set up |
| 23:34.29 | oss117 | ok go on |
| 23:34.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay... so I do ifconfig |
| 23:35.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | eth1 shows no IP (as it should), eth3 shows no IP (as it should), eth4 shows no IP (as it should)... br0 shows an IP, netmask, gateway, etc... as it should! |
| 23:35.23 | TehRabbitt-Work | cannot ping 10.5.200.1 from the machine however. |
| 23:35.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | so obviously something isn't working right |
| 23:35.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | because eth1.200 is connected to the trunk line |
| 23:36.11 | TehRabbitt-Work | and eth1.200, eth3, and eth4 are in the br0 bridge troup |
| 23:36.13 | TehRabbitt-Work | group* |
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| 23:36.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | and br0 has a static IP set / etc. |
| 23:36.22 | oss117 | well first I was not aware we could assign an IP to br0 |
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| 23:37.06 | pparadis | oss117: sure, i've got IPs assigned to br0 on all my hosts :) |
| 23:37.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/How_to_configure_a_network_bridge |
| 23:37.41 | TehRabbitt-Work | the problem i'm having though, is I cant get eth3 and eth4 nor the local box communicating over eth1.200 |
| 23:37.49 | pparadis | oss117: with my hosts, i do bridge_ports eth0 and the host IP goes on br0, for reference. |
| 23:37.57 | oss117 | to set a bridge is used to repeat signal between two interfaces |
| 23:38.17 | oss117 | I am not debian aware |
| 23:38.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: so the local box won't be able to ping out via the bridge? |
| 23:38.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | only devices connected to eth3 or eth4? |
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| 23:39.01 | pparadis | oss117: for further reference, just background really, i do KVM virtualization on those hosts, and the VM NICs go through br0 on the hosts. |
| 23:39.13 | oss117 | ok |
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| 23:40.16 | TehRabbitt-Work | pparadis: so am I correct in my assumption that the local box won't be able to "access" br0 / won't know to route packets to it, but any devices connected to the bridge via eth3 and eth4, will be able to pass data out through the bridge, landing data onto eth1.202 |
| 23:40.25 | oss117 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.29 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka tagging it with vlan 20or 200 |
| 23:40.37 | TehRabbitt-Work | erm 200 not 202 sorry |
| 23:41.53 | oss117 | I guess you are wrong .. =) |
| 23:41.56 | pparadis | TehRabbitt-Work: the way my stuff is set up, br0 is set up as a static interface, complete with network/netmask/broadcast/gateway and therefore is capable of communicating with everything, including local or external connections (well, external depending on iptables/ebtables rules, but you get the picture) |
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| 23:42.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | pparadis: well thats what's causing issues :-| i can't do anything |
| 23:42.47 | pparadis | TehRabbitt-Work: are you certain you have correctly specified your network/netmask/etc for br0? |
| 23:43.03 | pparadis | oftentimes that's the root cause of inability to communicate on it. |
| 23:43.27 | oss117 | I was not aware you were able to specify an IP to br0 |
| 23:43.44 | pparadis | TehRabbitt-Work: or you could be doing something completely different that i either don't understand or it would take my a while to grok for your setup :) |
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| 23:43.57 | pparadis | oss117: i'd better be able to, or none of my stuff would work ;) |
| 23:44.06 | TehRabbitt-Work | pparadis: http://i.imgur.com/NbYxT.png |
| 23:44.07 | dvs | tases his br0 |
| 23:44.16 | pparadis | don't tase me br0! |
| 23:44.19 | TehRabbitt-Work | look at the host 10.5.5.49 |
| 23:44.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | main L3 switch == has all vlans |
| 23:44.30 | oss117 | well coming from bsd world... I having seen it yet but I might learn more then |
| 23:44.35 | TehRabbitt-Work | a trunk port connects that host to the L3 switch |
| 23:44.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | aka eth1 |
| 23:44.45 | TehRabbitt-Work | so I created eth1.200 |
| 23:44.51 | TehRabbitt-Work | which should coorospond to vlan200 |
| 23:44.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | then I added that to the bridgegroup br0 |
| 23:45.12 | TehRabbitt-Work | already on br0 is a dhcpd server and tftpd server |
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| 23:45.20 | TehRabbitt-Work | the goal is to localize the tftpd server to the client A on bottom |
| 23:45.26 | TehRabbitt-Work | connecting to eth3 lets say |
| 23:45.29 | oss117 | tcpdump it |
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| 23:45.34 | TehRabbitt-Work | while also allowing network access |
| 23:45.38 | TehRabbitt-Work | tcpdump what? |
| 23:45.44 | oss117 | br0 |
| 23:45.59 | TehRabbitt-Work | the other issue, is eth1 is grabbing a dhcp address even though it's set to "manual" |
| 23:46.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | and i have no idea why |
| 23:46.20 | oss117 | you are taking the piss |
| 23:46.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 23:46.33 | TehRabbitt-Work | iface eth1 inet manual |
| 23:46.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | allow-hotplug eth1.200 |
| 23:46.48 | TehRabbitt-Work | iface eth1.206 inet manual |
| 23:47.18 | TehRabbitt-Work | then I specify iface eth3 inet manual and iface eth4 inet manual, followed by: |
| 23:47.32 | TehRabbitt-Work | auto br0 iface br0 inet static, (fill in the details here) |
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| 23:47.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | bridge_ports eth3 eth4 eth1.200 |
| 23:47.56 | TehRabbitt-Work | correction iface eth1.200 inet manual above not 206 sorry |
| 23:47.58 | TehRabbitt-Work | typoed |
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| 23:48.10 | oss117 | dude =) |
| 23:48.19 | jparkton | wow |
| 23:48.36 | jparkton | maybe a paragraph or two would suffice4 rather then |
| 23:48.37 | jparkton | typing |
| 23:48.38 | jparkton | out |
| 23:48.39 | oss117 | =) |
| 23:48.40 | jparkton | every |
| 23:48.41 | jparkton | comment |
| 23:48.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | sorry |
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| 23:49.23 | pparadis | TehRabbitt-Work: please don't take this as me not caring, because i do, but honestly your config isn't a simple one, and you might have better luck in #networking on this. |
| 23:49.35 | TehRabbitt-Work | aight |
| 23:49.38 | Cyb3r-Assassin | Im on dev-lang/python3.2, How could i also run 2.x? Or is that not posible? |
| 23:49.43 | pparadis | there's a lot of people idling in that channel (at least on freenode) |
| 23:49.52 | oss117 | a picture is worth a thousand words |
| 23:49.53 | pparadis | i haven't checked irc.oftc.net for it. |
| 23:49.57 | raz | is anyone running rsyslog to log to a remote server? |
| 23:50.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | 0_0 it seems to be working now :-| weird |
| 23:50.14 | TehRabbitt-Work | just the local machien can't ping out |
| 23:50.16 | jparkton | Im sure it can be done although I dont know if it would cause some issue with running |
| 23:50.16 | TehRabbitt-Work | this is weird |
| 23:50.23 | oss117 | dude I have lost my car |
| 23:50.24 | oss117 | lol |
| 23:50.34 | jparkton | Dude my car!! |
| 23:50.57 | pparadis | TehRabbitt-Work: blocking ICMP? that's what i'd guess first, and as was mentioned earlier tcpdump is your friend to see where packets are (or aren't) going. barring that, yeah, i think #networking might be a good bet for you. |
| 23:51.02 | oss117 | dude where is my car |
| 23:51.18 | oss117 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wuijgeaaY |
| 23:51.20 | pparadis | tosses oss117 the keys to a pinto. |
| 23:51.20 | oss117 | =) |
| 23:51.34 | jparkton | netstat -an |
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| 23:51.42 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm true |
| 23:51.57 | jparkton | I recently had issues with SYN_SENT and no ACKs |
| 23:52.05 | nsadmin | oss117, ashton kutcher got it |
| 23:52.11 | pparadis | jparkton: netstat is nice for looking for established connections, but tcpdump is a better bet when things appear to be b0rked. |
| 23:52.14 | oss117 | thanks I will walk alone |
| 23:52.15 | oss117 | =) |
| 23:52.18 | jparkton | true |
| 23:52.20 | oss117 | loll |
| 23:52.20 | pparadis | (b0rked as in "nothing happens") |
| 23:52.34 | jparkton | tcpdump usually barfs up a googleplex of info for me |
| 23:52.44 | jparkton | :( I need to man tcpdump |
| 23:52.44 | pparadis | tcpdump was invaluable when i was dealing with crazy ebtables and arptables rules a few months ago. |
| 23:53.06 | oss117 | who cares =) |
| 23:53.52 | pparadis | tcpdump also strives for world peace and an end to all hunger. it's charitable and amazing like that. |
| 23:53.55 | pparadis | just ask it. |
| 23:54.25 | oss117 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.30 | nsadmin | pparadis, does it test well in the swimsuit competition? |
| 23:54.49 | jparkton | lol |
| 23:54.57 | pparadis | oss117: the point was kinda me reinforcing that earlier recommendation, since it didn't seem to really hit home at first ;) |
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| 23:55.14 | pparadis | jparkton: yes, it's highly visible there, because it weighs 400 pounds and is a dude. |
| 23:55.19 | oss117 | I.E T phone home =) |
| 23:55.20 | pparadis | wanders off for a while |
| 23:56.07 | jparkton | oh my |
| 23:56.12 | jparkton | spandex? |
| 23:56.30 | oss117 | whatever =) |
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