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| 00:12.59 | oss117 | blah =) |
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| 00:21.47 | TehRabbitt-Work | okay now this is really weird |
| 00:21.57 | oss117 | is it |
| 00:21.58 | oss117 | =) |
| 00:22.07 | TehRabbitt-Work | there is NO reference to DHCP anywhere in /etc/network/interfaces.... yet eth1 keeps grabbing a stupid DHCP address >_< |
| 00:22.09 | oss117 | was it before |
| 00:22.39 | TehRabbitt-Work | oss117: once upon a time, Yes. |
| 00:22.49 | TehRabbitt-Work | :-| |
| 00:22.51 | oss117 | no joke get a .cap of it |
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| 00:24.41 | abrotman | TehRabbitt-Work: network-manager active? |
| 00:25.40 | TehRabbitt-Work | abrotman: it doesn't have gnome or anything, it's just a simple console machine |
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| 00:32.27 | abrotman | TehRabbitt-Work: doesn't really answer the question |
| 00:34.07 | tawm | hey guys, getting my thinkpad with a core 2 duo with intel's 64 bit extensions tomorrow. should i use the amd64 or the ia-64 version of debian? |
| 00:34.17 | dvs | amd64 |
| 00:34.21 | dvs | ia64 won't work |
| 00:34.25 | tawm | thanks a ton |
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| 00:37.59 | jagginess | hey he just left without saying ty |
| 00:38.30 | dvs | hunts him down |
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| 00:39.13 | jagginess | thanks a ton of bricks! dam! |
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| 00:39.30 | dvs | tonne! |
| 00:39.40 | pparadis | !ops the person and bot operator known as oss117 is busy again making meaningless comments in #debian and #networking and has been warned before. |
| 00:39.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: pparadis complains about: the person and bot operator known as oss117 is busy again making meaningless comments in #debian and #networking and has been warned before. |
| 00:39.53 | dvs | again? |
| 00:39.56 | pparadis | yes. |
| 00:39.57 | oss117 | not busy =) |
| 00:40.06 | dvs | don't believe you |
| 00:40.09 | dvs | ;-P |
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| 00:41.17 | oss117 | !ops no proof |
| 00:41.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: oss117 complains about: no proof |
| 00:41.30 | pparadis | bull crap, logs don't lie. |
| 00:41.58 | oss117 | wait and see =) |
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| 00:43.23 | oss117 | I will take a ban if is do diserve it |
| 00:43.30 | oss117 | np |
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| 00:46.07 | abrotman | oss117: not amused |
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| 00:51.18 | DropsOfSerenity | sometimes after a while gpk-update-viewer (software update) when I try to run it just appears with a grey window, nothing in it and does nothing, running it from terminal shows no errors, and the only way to fix it is to reboot. |
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| 01:04.44 | agike | After reinstall of grub in a dual-boot ubuntu-debian system, os-prober won't recognise ubuntu .. what am I missing here ? |
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| 01:06.21 | jparkton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:11.10 | scientes | agike, could be that ubuntu is using a considerably newer grub |
| 01:11.14 | scientes | which it cant detect |
| 01:11.30 | scientes | if you do it from ubuntu it will probably work |
| 01:11.42 | scientes | or other way around if ubuntu is old, and you are using wheezy |
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| 01:19.45 | gnarface | wtf is up with avconv/ffmpeg in debian right now? |
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| 01:26.10 | engla | gnarface: debian doesn't package the ffmpeg project's releases IUC |
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| 01:33.15 | gnarface | engla: IUC? |
| 01:35.09 | jagginess | gnarface, avconv is a split team fork of ffmpeg.. there was a team dispute (see wikipedia) |
| 01:35.45 | gnarface | :( |
| 01:35.58 | gnarface | so now i have to compile my own ffmpeg again if i want it to work right? |
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| 01:36.21 | nkuttler | !tell gnarface about dmm |
| 01:37.01 | gnarface | i know about it nkuttler |
| 01:37.04 | gnarface | but that's even worse |
| 01:37.13 | nkuttler | gnarface: they have the real ffmpeg |
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| 01:47.44 | engla | gnarface: it was supposed to be 'if I understand correctly' |
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| 02:39.36 | slidesinger | I've momentarily forgotten the name of the package that automates the building of modules from source. Does anyone recall what it is? |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | dkms ? |
| 02:40.14 | abrotman | module-assistant? |
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| 02:40.56 | slidesinger | abrotman: Thanks. The second was the one I was thinking of. Now I have to look up dkms and see what it does. |
| 02:41.05 | slidesinger | I love new toys. |
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| 02:51.10 | AlphaPinky | is there any company selling ¨open hardware¨? |
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| 02:52.52 | abrotman | for what purpose? |
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| 02:53.13 | AlphaPinky | notebook, but having good performance and being as good as Dell XPS. |
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| 02:53.47 | AlphaPinky | likes his XPS. But it has problems with linux... the nvidia video card heats the nb and the nb runs out of battery pretty soon :) |
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| 02:54.07 | abrotman | dell and nvidia ... so full of fail |
| 02:54.43 | AlphaPinky | made to never have linux in. |
| 02:54.47 | AlphaPinky | can be sure of that. |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | i wouldn't say that .. |
| 02:55.03 | AlphaPinky | really? |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | but those are two companies i wouldn't support |
| 02:55.10 | AlphaPinky | why? |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | probably has broadcom too! |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | !laptops |
| 02:55.17 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 02:55.26 | AlphaPinky | thanks |
| 02:55.47 | AlphaPinky | good information :D |
| 02:55.48 | pparadis | AlphaPinky: i've got a bunch of dell servers that run debian stable just great. be careful with generalizations ;) |
| 02:56.02 | AlphaPinky | i meant about the notebooks. |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | mine were directed at laptops |
| 02:56.19 | pparadis | nod |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | (though i wouldn't buy dell for servers anyway) |
| 02:56.35 | AlphaPinky | abrotman, what would you buy instead? |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | hides from petemc |
| 02:56.46 | pparadis | some of their stuff is pretty good. other stuff, no way. |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | AlphaPinky: just not dell .. the rest depends on your requirements |
| 02:57.28 | AlphaPinky | pparadis, i was reffering to a notebook. my notebook only works well with Windows. at linux. the video card creates some trouble. it heats and dry battery. |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | and everyone has different experiences and different advice |
| 02:57.38 | AlphaPinky | right |
| 02:57.57 | pparadis | their XPS workstation stuff also works very well with debian, but yeah, ymmv immensely with notebooks, especially their lower end stuff (as with many manufacturers that use the same components rebranded from the same factories in taiwan). |
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| 02:58.09 | DropsOfSerenity | sometimes after a while gpk-update-viewer (software update) when I try to run it just appears with a grey window, nothing in it and does nothing, running it from terminal shows no errors, and the only way to fix it is to reboot. |
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| 03:02.13 | abrotman | stop using it ? |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | honestly, i've found that app to be pretty flaky |
| 03:02.35 | AlphaPinky | !broadcom |
| 03:02.35 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
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| 03:04.18 | pparadis | btw, not to beat a dead horse or steer things offtopic really, but the state of manufacturers mostly using the same crap components in their average consumer stuff is deplorable and highly frustrating. |
| 03:05.27 | AlphaPinky | pparadis, what is frustrating you specifically? |
| 03:05.28 | stew | i'm all for beating a dead horse, but I think we should be kind to steer or any cattle for that matter |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | mmmm, horse |
| 03:06.22 | AlphaPinky | what do you mean by horse? |
| 03:06.30 | AlphaPinky | the animal? |
| 03:06.47 | pparadis | AlphaPinky: about ten years worth of dealing with the same junk over and over again, especially regarding outfits like broadcom (remember softmodems back in the day?) and the incessant use of such crap by manufacturers in tons of their gear. |
| 03:06.50 | stew | !nopony me |
| 03:06.50 | dpkg | stew: http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg |
| 03:06.57 | pparadis | other than that, everything is peachy. |
| 03:07.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:07.24 | AlphaPinky | isnt there a line they use good hardware? |
| 03:07.44 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:08.20 | pparadis | indeed there are specific lines of hardware that work much better overall, but purchasing managers tend to fail to consult anybody on the tech side when they buy things, and aim for cheapest at highest volume discount. |
| 03:08.25 | pparadis | and then the fun begins. |
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| 03:09.06 | pparadis | in any event, this is pretty offtopic, not debian support related, it's just be bitching. i'll take it to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 03:09.13 | steven | anyone here whos setup smokeping in debian lenny please? |
| 03:09.25 | abrotman | oh, i had .. long ago |
| 03:10.29 | jonesst1 | specifically apache2 setup for it |
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| 03:16.38 | jogetwoo | The problem, often Message from the syslogd @ jogetwoo at Jun 7 12:19:13 ... |
| 03:16.38 | jogetwoo | kernel: [7104.659290] Disabling IRQ # 16 |
| 03:16.38 | jogetwoo | Plug hardware |
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| 03:32.22 | jonesst1 | if there were any docs for smokeping in debina where would they be located? |
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| 04:10.06 | cardamon | Hey. |
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| 04:14.10 | issri | how can i know what scheduler algorithm the kernel is using? |
| 04:14.10 | cardamon | What purpose do virtual packages serve? Do they redirect you to real packages based on met dependencies? Or are the just the package equivalent of a sticky note saying "don't do that, do this, this, or this instead."? |
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| 04:16.11 | KsM | If I'm tunnelling an X program through ssh, how can I get audio to work |
| 04:16.13 | issri | !virtual package |
| 04:16.14 | dpkg | A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo". |
| 04:16.15 | KsM | if at all |
| 04:17.01 | Ariii | Hi! |
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| 04:20.25 | Ariii | How should the server version of Debian work on 500 MHz with 1 GB RAM? It would host a simple forum with a little bit of server-side JavaScript to manage accounts and such. |
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| 04:23.33 | epsilon | there is no "server version" of debian |
| 04:24.23 | epsilon | and 500MHz/1Ggig sounds like a VM... dont hope much speed |
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| 04:31.01 | Ariii | epsilon: Sorry, I meant a minimal install of Debian with web server software. And it would run natively on a 10 GB HDD. |
| 04:32.06 | epsilon | it will be slow. use a very minimalistic forum script |
| 04:33.46 | nsadmin | Ariii, it's not "server version", it |
| 04:33.59 | nsadmin | is what you install and how you set it up |
| 04:34.33 | Ariii | Yeah... I'm disabling images except for profile pictures for now, and I'm coding my own and having a couple friends joining. I'm going to look back to see old versions of open-source forum scripts, probably from about ~2000, and see what I can do from there. |
| 04:34.57 | pparadis | depending on what you decide to use for your forum software, the setup you're describing could actually be pretty snappy with something like nginx serving smf for the forum via php-fastcgi. |
| 04:35.00 | Ariii | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.47 | pparadis | also pretty memory efficient. 1 GB of RAM can support a _lot_ of traffic. i've survived slashdottings on systems with 512 MB of RAM running basic stuff through ngninx without breaking a sweat. |
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| 04:36.44 | pparadis | i've also made systems like that do a few thousands requests per second to php-fastcgi driven pages. |
| 04:36.46 | Ariii | I was planning on using an old iMac G3, and then buying something from NorhTec at 1 GHz. Yeah, I've found even 192 MB of RAM to be sufficient for most forums. |
| 04:37.03 | desmond | I'm trying to install ruby-full, but it depends on php5-common (5.4.4-2), but I can't install that because an apache module depends on the php 5.3.3-7 that I already have installed. What do I do now? |
| 04:37.08 | nsadmin | Ariii, no worries; it's for you, in order to understand there are lots and lots of possible combinations |
| 04:37.38 | pparadis | desmond: did you install another version of php from outside the repos? |
| 04:38.37 | desmond | No |
| 04:38.56 | pparadis | what version of debian are you running? |
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| 04:39.21 | desmond | Umm it is debian minimal, but I don't know the exact version |
| 04:39.35 | pparadis | please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 04:40.01 | sparklyplurbunny | hola room |
| 04:40.04 | DropsOfSerenity | sometimes after a while gpk-update-viewer (software update) when I try to run it just appears with a grey window, nothing in it and does nothing, running it from terminal shows no errors, and the only way to fix it is to reboot. Using Debian wheezy |
| 04:40.51 | pparadis | desmond: for reference, php5 is at 5.3.3-7+squeeze13 in squeeze. |
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| 04:41.21 | pparadis | desmond: and php5-common is at 5.3.3-7+squeeze13 in squeeze. |
| 04:41.42 | pparadis | desmond: so the question becomes "where are you getting the package you're trying to install?" |
| 04:42.24 | KsM | 500Mhz sounds like it could host a small server easily epsilon |
| 04:42.57 | KsM | 00:24.24 < epsilon> and 500MHz/1Ggig sounds like a VM... dont hope much speed |
| 04:43.19 | pparadis | yeah, actually 500 MHz doesn't sound like any VM these days at all. |
| 04:43.21 | KsM | I rarely ever go over 1gb of ram on my laptop, and I have 4. |
| 04:43.25 | desmond | http://paste.debian.net/178029/ |
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| 04:43.38 | pparadis | desmond: you can't do that. |
| 04:43.44 | desmond | Can't do what? |
| 04:43.45 | pparadis | desmond: you absolutely cannot mix releases like that. |
| 04:43.54 | pparadis | that will break the hell out of your system. |
| 04:43.55 | desmond | I didn't, it was just...like that |
| 04:44.00 | pparadis | no, it's wasn't. |
| 04:44.04 | desmond | I don't even know how it -got- like that. haha |
| 04:44.09 | pparadis | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free <-- that did not come stock. |
| 04:45.13 | pparadis | desmond: i'm also pretty confident that's not your entire /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 04:45.33 | pparadis | desmond: if you want help, you must be willing to listen and be straightforward with the volunteers here. |
| 04:45.33 | desmond | It is. it's only 4 lines long. the last line is empty |
| 04:45.43 | pparadis | desmond: where did you get this system? |
| 04:45.48 | pparadis | who configured it? |
| 04:45.51 | desmond | It was preinstalled on a vps |
| 04:46.01 | desmond | I thought it was a fresh install though |
| 04:46.03 | pparadis | then you need to find another VPS provider immediately. |
| 04:46.09 | pparadis | that's badly broken. |
| 04:46.13 | desmond | I hardly changed anything |
| 04:46.26 | pparadis | if that is what came with your VPS, your VPS provider is grossly incompetent. |
| 04:46.26 | desmond | well I'm only paying $2 a month for it...that's probably why |
| 04:47.02 | pparadis | lemme guess? vps tree? |
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| 04:48.17 | desmond | nope |
| 04:48.33 | pparadis | whoever they are, cancel it now. find another provider immediately. |
| 04:48.55 | desmond | So this problem is only because I'm using sources that should not be used together? |
| 04:49.07 | pparadis | !tell desmond about releases |
| 04:49.28 | pparadis | desmond: also, please spend a day with this before proceeding --> http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 04:49.37 | desmond | Okay. thanks |
| 04:49.45 | pparadis | you're welcome. |
| 04:50.43 | desmond | so much to learn...heh. i guess i need to learn debian, apache2, then either ruby or python before I can even begin making my web app |
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| 04:51.43 | pparadis | desmond: you need to understand some basics, and you need a provider that doesn't give you a horribly misconfigured server to start with. once you get rolling with a setup you can actually trust, people here will be glad to help with debian-specific questions if you get stuck after trying to find answers elsewhere. |
| 04:52.22 | pparadis | we're all volunteers here, but it's pretty important for you to have an install that can be trusted first, and a little basic understanding of debian will go a long way toward helping us help you. |
| 04:53.44 | ThinkRob | You're paying $2/mo for a VPS, and I think you got what you paid for. |
| 04:55.11 | desmond | i might as well host on my own box for now, since I'm just playing around with things |
| 04:55.22 | pparadis | desmond: that's actually a great way to learn. |
| 04:55.23 | desmond | But thanks for the help |
| 04:55.27 | pparadis | sure thing! |
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| 04:56.22 | ThinkRob | Host your own box, break it a few times, and you'll learn quite a bit. ;) |
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| 04:56.53 | tzarc | never a truer word has been spoken |
| 04:57.21 | ThinkRob | Personally, I'd say that it's even better to go through the "build it, break it, fix it" phase of learning when the box is yours instead of somebody else's. Remote hands and managed services make for a very expensive hands-on learning session. |
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| 05:03.25 | peterrooney | the only time I ever thought I'd broken a stable box was when a badly worded alias turned a cron job into a fork bomb. |
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| 05:06.47 | gsr | Hi all. ive noticed an "overflow" partition mounted on /tmp, its 1.1M - I am also getting lots of write errors for anything in /tmp. How can I increase the size of /tmp (or better yet, get rid of this overflow mount)? |
| 05:07.28 | stew | what is an overflow partition? |
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| 05:08.09 | pparadis | gsr: what does "df -h ; df -i" report? http://paste.debian.net |
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| 05:09.10 | pparadis | gsr: you might also include the output of "mount" |
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| 05:09.51 | gsr | stew, pparadis :http://paste.debian.net/178031/ |
| 05:10.42 | pparadis | gsr: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:10.51 | gsr | 6.0.5 |
| 05:12.06 | stew | wow, i never would have guessed it would have actually been a device named "overflow" |
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| 05:12.59 | pparadis | appears to possibly be fuse-related from a couple of google searches, but i've never seen that before either. |
| 05:13.31 | gsr | pparadis the hard drive was at capacity (/ was 100% full - and I don't think I ever made a seperate partition for swap, so I get why /tmp would 'overflow'. just never seen tmpfs do that) |
| 05:14.19 | pparadis | neither have i. good to know the filesystems was in fact full when this happened, though. |
| 05:15.15 | pparadis | gsr: and you still can't create anything in /tmp? |
| 05:15.50 | gsr | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/34535 -> seems its a failsafe. Ill try rebooting - I wanted to avoid it since its a remote server |
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| 05:16.14 | gsr | pparadis, yes. I guess it makes sense I would have to reboot to have tmpfs remounted properly. |
| 05:16.28 | pparadis | gsr: you might try simply "umount /tmp" |
| 05:16.55 | pparadis | if you don't have a dedicated mount for /tmp in your fstab, that might clear it. if you do have a dedicated mount for /tmp, remount it on that. |
| 05:17.17 | gsr | pparadis, its busy - lots of processes running, its a development test server |
| 05:17.43 | pparadis | well, if you can't create a file on /tmp anyhow, you're not going to hurt anything with that. |
| 05:18.40 | pparadis | it would seem less drastic than rebooting, and worth a shot first. |
| 05:18.59 | gsr | pparadis, gives me "/tmp: device is busy" |
| 05:19.02 | pparadis | especially since you've indicated it's a busy server, and i presume things on that server would like /tmp to be available. |
| 05:19.22 | pparadis | gsr: do you have a shell cd'd into /tmp? |
| 05:19.48 | gsr | nope, /home/gsr |
| 05:20.23 | gsr | pparadis, but lsof | grep /tmp has lots of stuff coming up |
| 05:20.24 | pparadis | well, perhaps a reboot is the way to go then. either that or figure out what's acessing /tmp and kill it first, but that would seem more complicated probably than simply rebooting it. |
| 05:20.51 | pparadis | nod, lsof will tell you, it's a question of whether you want to kill that stuff or just reboot the box, and whether the stuff you kill will respawn, etc. |
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| 05:21.17 | gsr | yes. I have access to the server on weekdays, so worse comes to worse I reboot there on monday |
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| 06:26.21 | deco | is there a way to always get the latest ice-weasel in squeeze ? |
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| 06:27.41 | rootant | ohai |
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| 06:30.46 | nsadmin | deco.mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:31.03 | nsadmin | it may or may noi be the latest |
| 06:31.11 | deco | nsadmin: thank you!, so those are official packages right ? |
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| 06:31.28 | nsadmin | dunno what their status is |
| 06:31.35 | deco | okay |
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| 06:33.14 | nsadmin | if you want the strict hard line, the official package is in squeeze and it will never (yes, that's NEVER) be upgraded; this is because squeeze has been released and nothing in squeeze will ever be upgraded |
| 06:33.46 | rootant | nsadmin: but there are backports |
| 06:34.08 | rootant | which are officiall since some time |
| 06:34.09 | nsadmin | the backports are not part of squeeze, and are also not official |
| 06:34.23 | rootant | i've heard that they are officiall since some time |
| 06:34.30 | rozie | backports are official |
| 06:34.35 | nsadmin | the official ones were released with squeeze |
| 06:34.49 | nsadmin | backports are officially backports |
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| 06:35.11 | rozie | but they're part of official Debian repository |
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| 06:35.41 | nsadmin | they are part of specifically backports |
| 06:35.54 | lcc | may a backport ever become an official stable package if it fixes a major security update? |
| 06:35.54 | nsadmin | so, there is a very clear dividing line there |
| 06:36.00 | rozie | nsadmin: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 06:36.31 | nsadmin | lcc, yes, and most likely it will be a patch to an existing version |
| 06:37.47 | nsadmin | rozie, the line is really clear... the backports might be official as backports, but they're not part of squeeze itself. |
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| 06:38.25 | rootant | nsadmin: but they're part of debian project |
| 06:38.32 | nsadmin | anyway, we've said our peace and I've noticed this has gone around a loop at least three times, so here it stops |
| 06:38.43 | nsadmin | rootant, yes. but not part of the release |
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| 06:38.59 | rootant | so they're offiall debian packages after all |
| 06:39.15 | rootant | not being a part of sqeeze at the same time |
| 06:39.25 | nsadmin | no more loops please |
| 06:39.30 | rozie | ;) |
| 06:39.33 | rootant | lulz |
| 06:39.35 | deco | lol |
| 06:39.51 | rootant | sorry, i'm not a coder |
| 06:39.52 | rozie | Lenny is not part of Squeeze. But it's official. |
| 06:39.58 | rozie | ;) |
| 06:40.07 | deco | ;) |
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| 06:40.28 | nsadmin | but if you want to you can give lenny a big squeezy hug |
| 06:40.41 | rozie | And it's official, that Lenny is not part of Squeeze. |
| 06:41.07 | deco | well |
| 06:41.16 | deco | lenny is an outdated part of sqeeze |
| 06:41.28 | rozie | it's not a part of Squeeze! |
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| 06:41.53 | rozie | (I guess I'd stop here) |
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| 06:42.09 | rootant | more coal! |
| 06:42.17 | deco | i wish debian would update iceweasel like how ubuntu now updates firefox in all releases |
| 06:42.24 | deco | :/ |
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| 06:42.33 | rootant | get another debian branch |
| 06:42.35 | rootant | was it sid? |
| 06:42.43 | deco | but i want my system stable rootant |
| 06:42.48 | streuner | rootant: /msg dpkg sid |
| 06:42.49 | nsadmin | deco, you can look at mozilla.debian.net |
| 06:43.00 | deco | nsadmin: but you said they aren't official :/ |
| 06:43.03 | nsadmin | aaannnnd now we're full circle. |
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| 06:43.32 | rootant | deco: :-d |
| 06:43.41 | deco | :-) |
| 06:43.55 | rootant | you just wont stop! |
| 06:43.57 | nsadmin | deco, right, you will never get an offical package for a release which is any version other than what it was when debian was released |
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| 06:44.19 | deco | hmmm even slackware updates firefox all the time :S |
| 06:44.20 | nsadmin | so use it or don't... it's up to you |
| 06:44.22 | deco | oh well |
| 06:44.25 | deco | yeah i guess |
| 06:45.07 | nsadmin | be glad that someone wants to support folks that want the more modern browsers |
| 06:45.26 | streuner | modern browsers, hah |
| 06:45.29 | nsadmin | whether they're official or not shouldn't matter if they work |
| 06:45.36 | rootant | for me IW 10.0.5 is modern enough |
| 06:45.47 | rootant | and bloaty too much |
| 06:45.50 | deco | nsadmin: it matters if security is a must |
| 06:46.24 | nsadmin | deco, correct, and that aspect needs to be part of your research and of your decidsion |
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| 06:46.53 | rootant | nsadmin: i'm just afraid that some package that i've found in the net may be malicious in some form, we all know this very good from the windows forld |
| 06:46.59 | deco | nsadmin: yup but debian devs could easily resolv this if they update iceweasel just how ubuntu does for firefox |
| 06:47.05 | rootant | world* |
| 06:47.07 | deco | yeah rootant is correct |
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| 06:47.51 | boudiccas | deco: if you like ubuntu so much then go to it! |
| 06:48.34 | nsadmin | rootant, deco, that's never going to happen... they are available as they are. who knows, maybe mozilla.d.n has arranged security support... you'll have to find out yes or no on that |
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| 06:50.16 | nsadmin | a question about a comparison to another dist only might work if the person you're asking is familiar with the other dist... me, I'm not, so for that I'm useless |
| 06:50.55 | nsadmin | not to mention that I'm probably not interested in either being familar or supporting it |
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| 06:52.58 | nsadmin | the very, very bottom line is, as most dists, this is best-effort, no-guarantee, you deal with that, I'll unpause the vcr :) |
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| 06:54.41 | streuner | what kind of security issue should that be, btw? |
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| 06:55.34 | streuner | i doubt that, because iceweasel (sid) was fixed within serveral hours, and that wasnt a security issue... |
| 06:55.44 | nsadmin | whatever kind they're willing to provide... I suspect it's too much effort |
| 06:56.28 | nsadmin | streuner, as we both know, sid is not a release (and nor is testing) |
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| 06:57.35 | nsadmin | streuner, also, how is that hour-to-fix not an example of best-effort? |
| 06:58.46 | streuner | nsadmin: well, otherwise i wouldnt it mention? |
| 06:58.55 | streuner | sure, it is |
| 06:59.18 | epsilon | just grab the vanilla firefox *shrugs* |
| 06:59.20 | streuner | i made this example, that someone is care |
| 06:59.57 | streuner | epsilon: nah, you could get daily builds (binaries), but most of them are buggy as well.. |
| 07:00.39 | nsadmin | streuner, you're right; when I said "best effort, no guarantee" I didn't say no onw ever cares |
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| 07:04.58 | morteza_ipo | hi |
| 07:05.09 | cedr | !hi | morteza_ipo |
| 07:05.13 | cedr | welp |
| 07:05.33 | morteza_ipo | I made a new deb package , but when I run it , I saw KeyError: 'Package' error |
| 07:05.41 | morteza_ipo | cedr: hi! ;) |
| 07:05.56 | nsadmin | morteza_ipo, does the .deb pass lintian? |
| 07:06.56 | morteza_ipo | nsadmin: yes. but I saw zero-byte file error. |
| 07:07.39 | nsadmin | are there any files in your package that are zero bytes? |
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| 07:07.58 | morteza_ipo | nsadmin: yes. I have several files in that |
| 07:08.17 | morteza_ipo | I have 2 directories in that , DEBIAN & usr |
| 07:08.45 | nsadmin | name one, in its fully qualified path |
| 07:09.57 | morteza_ipo | nsadmin: then why I have this error? |
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| 07:11.14 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 07:11.32 | nsadmin | when does it happen? |
| 07:12.24 | morteza_ipo | I made a new package , and everything is ok , but when I want to run it , I see this error |
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| 07:13.55 | nsadmin | ok, could you put all the output (including the exact command line) into a pastebin? |
| 07:14.35 | morteza_ipo | nsadmin: yes . wait |
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| 08:20.00 | fico-ke | Hi, what about fglrx-driver on debian Wheezy? I read this http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/#Wheezy so there is no graphic driver available on this moment or what? I tried wheezy on virtualbox and after install gde3 I still hadn't GUI ( except login screen, very ugly login screen ) |
| 08:21.00 | fico-ke | s/gde3/gdm3 |
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| 08:23.30 | thewanderer1 | morteza_ipo: is there a file called "DEBIAN/control" in there? |
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| 08:24.57 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: yes , I have that file |
| 08:25.16 | thewanderer1 | morteza_ipo: is it well-formed? it seems that dpkg is complaining about it |
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| 08:25.58 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: my format is default format |
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| 08:26.20 | thewanderer1 | please paste the control file, the commands that you're executing, and the error message, to paste.debian.net |
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| 08:29.38 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: hold on |
| 08:29.45 | erjk | Hi. I have a problem with my wheezy amd64 with KDE. When system is starting everything is going ok until I log into KDE. After a few seconds everything stops - clock stops, panels aren't responding, cursor is moving but you cannot click anything. Then after 20-30 seconds it runs back to normal again. Another problem is that my Wifi adapter TP-LINK WN721N is somehow blocked and available networks suddenly disappear after this half minute hang. I tried running |
| 08:29.45 | erjk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.34 | thewanderer1 | erjk: unplug the wireless network adaptor to rule out any correlations between the device and KDE hangs |
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| 08:32.40 | erjk | thewanderer1, I tried that, but don't really remember the result, so I will do it again. Is there something I can do now to help you diagnose it? The problem is that I use Windows now, because on Debian I cannot connect to internet. So everytime I wil have to check something, I will have to restart my PC too. |
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| 08:34.44 | thewanderer1 | erjk: capture the exact PCI id from `lspci -nn`, dmesg output, save those into a file that you can read on Windows. not much I can think of right now... |
| 08:34.47 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1, nsadmin : http://pastebin.com/Tapz2pXS |
| 08:35.03 | thewanderer1 | erjk: unless your adaptor is USB-based, then lsusb |
| 08:35.39 | erjk | thewanderer1, It is USB. I will do it now and be back here soon. |
| 08:35.59 | thewanderer1 | morteza_ipo: three independent sections in one control file? hmmm |
| 08:37.06 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: actualy , I want to make my python library to deb file |
| 08:37.18 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure if that's correct, but I'm not a Debian packager - you need to verify the syntax |
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| 08:37.36 | morteza_ipo | where I should to fix? |
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| 08:38.16 | AnotherTest | Trying to build gcc 4.7 from source on Debian squeeze (kernel 2.6.32-5-686), configure goes fine but make fails (see http://pastebin.com/wcTYJ5J2) |
| 08:39.32 | thewanderer1 | morteza_ipo: writing a well-formed control file would be a start, I suppose... |
| 08:40.21 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: you're missing flex? |
| 08:40.54 | AnotherTest | thewaderer1: may be possible, let me check |
| 08:41.04 | AnotherTest | correct |
| 08:41.05 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: ok , tnx |
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| 08:42.31 | DropsOfSerenity | sometimes after a while gpk-update-viewer (software update) when I try to run it just appears with a grey window, nothing in it and does nothing, running it from terminal shows no errors, and the only way to fix it is to reboot. Using Debian wheezy |
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| 08:46.10 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: dear , I have control file and copyright file , but I have this error from lintian |
| 08:46.28 | morteza_ipo | thewanderer1: unknown-control-file copyright , no-copyright-file |
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| 08:48.04 | thewanderer1 | morteza_ipo: maybe the control file needs to reference it? try #debian-mentors on OFTC... |
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| 08:49.13 | erjk | thewanderer1, lspci -nn: http://paste.debian.net/178046/ , lsusb: http://paste.debian.net/178047/ , dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/178048/ |
| 08:49.35 | erjk | thewanderer1, And disconnecting adapter didn't help - the system hanged anyway. |
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| 08:51.12 | thewanderer1 | erjk: a newer kernel is your best chance... I'm assuming you run ATi graphics drivers, those have always been flaky for me unfortunately |
| 08:51.25 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: I installed the "flex" package, but I still get the same output |
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| 08:51.36 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: make clean and reconfigure |
| 08:51.48 | erjk | thewanderer1, How to install new kernel without internet connection? Will linux-image package be sufficient? |
| 08:52.00 | morteza_ipo | ok . tnx |
| 08:52.02 | thewanderer1 | and about the wireless adapter, no solution from me... I only ever deal with iwlwifi, not enough nerves for other vendors :P |
| 08:52.30 | thewanderer1 | erjk: well, take care of the dependencies, there might be some |
| 08:53.02 | erjk | thewanderer1, From what I see 3.2.0-2 is the newest kernel and I have that one. |
| 08:53.30 | thewanderer1 | erjk: have you tried disabling desktop effects in KDE? |
| 08:54.46 | thewanderer1 | erjk: there are newer kernels available from upstream, you can use make-kpkg to compile them and try |
| 08:55.05 | thewanderer1 | or you could use the ones from experimental |
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| 08:56.00 | erjk | thewanderer1, No, I will try disabling the effects but I bet it won't help with USB adapter. Which way do you reccomend to install newer kernel? I haven't done that before. |
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| 08:56.40 | thewanderer1 | erjk: probably fetch the package from experimental, then |
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| 08:57.46 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: I tried make clean && ./configure, but it still fails at the same point(with the same output) |
| 08:58.42 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.24 | AnotherTest | thewandered1: tried 20 minutes ago, still no response |
| 09:01.52 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: are you building from the Debian source package or from vanilla? |
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| 09:03.38 | AnotherTest | vanilla |
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| 09:05.22 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: try using apt-get to install gcc build-deps... |
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| 09:07.56 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: But gcc-4.7 isn't available as a binary for squeeze (at least not from the packages.debian.org) |
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| 09:08.16 | derwaffenss | whats the best tool to do Kazaa ? |
| 09:08.25 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: so would all of the dependencies be available? |
| 09:09.18 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: better to fetch the deps for Squeeze's gcc version than to install nothing :P |
| 09:09.21 | derwaffenss | whats the best tool to do file sharing like Kazaa Gnutella OpenFt ? |
| 09:09.36 | thewanderer1 | !tell derwaffenss about best |
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| 09:10.05 | derwaffenss | whats the best tool to SHARE FILES like Kazaa Gnutella OpenFt ? |
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| 09:10.19 | derwaffenss | P2P |
| 09:10.38 | boudiccas | derwaffenss: transmission for torrents |
| 09:10.48 | derwaffenss | no torrents |
| 09:11.08 | derwaffenss | File Sharing as done with Kazaa Gnutella OpenFt networks |
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| 09:12.12 | thewanderer1 | well, have you actually searched the package repository to check what software is available for keyword "gnutella", etc? |
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| 09:12.31 | derwaffenss | tell me you dont know thewanderer1 |
| 09:12.49 | derwaffenss | tell me theres no such tool |
| 09:13.05 | derwaffenss | tell me the debian maintainers have an agenda |
| 09:13.53 | boudiccas | derwaffenss: dont be so paranoid |
| 09:14.03 | derwaffenss | then which package ? |
| 09:14.07 | thewanderer1 | apt-cache search <your_keyword_here> # just pick one |
| 09:14.21 | derwaffenss | kazaa gnutella openft networks |
| 09:14.31 | derwaffenss | you do a search and try to pick one |
| 09:15.20 | derwaffenss | im not paranoid you freaks are cluetards |
| 09:15.41 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: installed gcc 4.4 build dependencies, but I still get the same output |
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| 09:16.21 | morteza_ipo | how to fix "file-in-unusual-dir" error? |
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| 09:16.27 | derwaffenss | simple question: whats the best tool to SHARE FILES like Kazaa Gnutella OpenFt ? |
| 09:16.30 | derwaffenss | going once |
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| 09:18.11 | derwaffenss | agenda ! |
| 09:18.38 | pparadis | derwaffenss: this channel is for debian support. do you have a debian question? |
| 09:18.42 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: maybe installing the "flex" package alone wasn't enough? |
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| 09:18.48 | derwaffenss | simple question: whats the best DEBIAN tool to SHARE FILES like Kazaa Gnutella OpenFt ? |
| 09:19.01 | pparadis | derwaffenss: that's offtopic for this channel. please inquire elsewhere. |
| 09:19.16 | derwaffenss | then go and cover up that youre hiding an agenda |
| 09:19.59 | pparadis | derwaffenss: you might be interested in an irc channel related to p2p chat. this isn't that channel. |
| 09:20.19 | derwaffenss | i got unstable unstalled but i cant find the appropriate package to do Kazaa Gnutella OpenFt |
| 09:20.36 | thewanderer1 | derwaffenss: you have been provided with a means to search for the relevant packages yourself. if you need help with technical matters, then do ask here, but asking for opinions is not a technical issue. |
| 09:20.40 | derwaffenss | seems to me thats a legit issue to query in this shitty room |
| 09:21.14 | boudiccas | derwaffenss: please moderate your language, swearing is not appropriate |
| 09:21.16 | derwaffenss | no pparadis i want to know a SPECIFIC DEBIAN package |
| 09:21.27 | pparadis | derwaffenss: apt-cache search. have fun. |
| 09:21.41 | derwaffenss | another cluetard |
| 09:21.50 | derwaffenss | sont you think i did that you moron |
| 09:22.01 | pparadis | !ops derwaffenss needs to go please see scrollback |
| 09:22.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: pparadis complains about: derwaffenss needs to go please see scrollback |
| 09:22.14 | derwaffenss | yea call the ops |
| 09:22.27 | derwaffenss | i want to claim the debian maintainers hide an agenda |
| 09:23.08 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: make sure that bison and flex are installed; make distclean; configure again, then make... apparently, gcc has a distinction between clean and distclean |
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| 09:27.17 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: I have both flex and bison, have done make distclean and configured again; make and so far it's running without errors |
| 09:28.37 | thewanderer1 | AnotherTest: good, that might've been it - I never knew clean didn't remove the configuration results ;P |
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| 09:29.35 | AnotherTest | thewanderer1: it's still running - thanks; now I just hope that that was the last issue |
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| 09:38.29 | derwaffenss | whats next ? FBI backdoors ? |
| 09:38.44 | erjk | thewanderer1, I installed 3.2.0-3 kernel from sid, then headers, adapter firmware and nothing changed. System is hanging after login and I have no internet connection. |
| 09:39.04 | lethargic | I know netcat has a -i switch to wait for the response, but it's in seconds. is there something like that but in milliseconds ? |
| 09:39.27 | erjk | thewanderer1, What could be the cause, so on Fedora ran from Live CD there are the same problems? It's strange for me. |
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| 09:45.08 | dani912 | ciao |
| 09:45.12 | dani912 | !list |
| 09:45.12 | dpkg | dani912: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 09:45.26 | erjk | I will post my problem again. I am using wheezy amd64. When system is starting everything is going ok until I log into KDE. After a few seconds everything stops - clock stops, panels aren't responding, cursor is moving but you cannot click anything. Then after 20-30 seconds it runs back to normal again. Another problem is that my Wifi adapter TP-LINK WN721N is somehow blocked and available networks suddenly disappear after this half minute hang (or don't sh |
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| 09:45.26 | erjk | ow at all). Yesterday I tried running Fedora with KDE from Live CD and to my suprise everything was the same - there was a hang after login and the networks disappeared too. I have this problem for about 2 weeks. |
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| 09:47.40 | thewanderer1 | erjk: have you tried disabling the effects yet? |
| 09:48.15 | erjk | I forgot that. I concentrated on installing new kernel. I will try that now. |
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| 10:01.11 | erjk | thewanderer1, Disabling effects helped wih getting rid of a hang, but still the system is of a little use for me without internet. Where do you think I can ask for hel with my wireless adapter? |
| 10:02.21 | thewanderer1 | erjk: hmm, ##linux is a popular hub for distro-agnostic issues... if you really want the issue solved, changing the adapter is the fastest way, though |
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| 10:03.55 | erjk | thewanderer1, Do you mean that issues like that don't get solved too quickly or that TP-LINK is hard to ran on Linux? |
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| 10:05.26 | thewanderer1 | erjk: it requires lots of trial & error with hardly any visibility into the problem - unless you can find a ready solution on the Web, you're SOL |
| 10:06.12 | erjk | thewanderer1, Alright. I'll try asking there. Thank you really much for your help. |
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| 10:08.52 | dani912 | ciao |
| 10:08.55 | dani912 | !list |
| 10:08.55 | dpkg | dani912: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 10:55.40 | Kobaz | so, anyone have any idea why I would get Jul 7 06:53:19 demo3 sshd[18902]: Did not receive identification string from 10.3.1.6 when trying to connect to ssh |
| 10:56.02 | Kobaz | if i telnet to the port I can't even get a welcome banner |
| 10:57.55 | Kobaz | oh, it's not just ssh, nothing seems to work right from this subnet |
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| 10:59.13 | jaggz- | is there a way I can broadcast from my linux box to my switch to tell it I've fixed an IP address conflict? |
| 10:59.18 | jaggz- | I had two boxes with the same static IP |
| 10:59.36 | abrotman | Kobaz: sounds like a firewall issue |
| 10:59.47 | thewanderer1 | jaggz-: switches do not know anything about IP |
| 11:00.51 | Kobaz | abrotman: yeah, you would think, except i have absolutly zero iptables rules |
| 11:01.06 | thewanderer1 | jaggz-: you could send gratuituous (spelling ok?) ARP and ask clients to update their caches, but they don't have to accept it |
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| 11:02.45 | abrotman | Kobaz: i didn't say iptables .. just 'firewall' |
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| 11:03.28 | richard | happy debian day folks! |
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| 11:08.29 | jaggz- | thewanderer.. perhaps my ISP's router (colocated systems) is blocking it.. or could our switch still be the culprit? |
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| 11:13.15 | k1ckn1ck | Trying to install debian-kfreeBSd netinstall onto a new nas system. Previously tested by installing windows 7. Used the secure wipe tool with my OCZ Agility3 SSD ahci mode but it still does not see the drive during the installation |
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| 11:14.52 | jaggz- | thewanderer1, how do I send such a command to our ISP's router to tell it to update itself? |
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| 11:16.14 | thewanderer1 | jaggz-: best if you simply wait so that the ARP cache times out and updates itself... alternatively, search for how to send gratuituous ARP on Linux, I don't know a command off-hand |
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| 11:18.04 | jaggz- | arping -S <our_IP> -B # Might be it |
| 11:18.47 | jaggz- | that worked |
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| 11:20.12 | Kobaz | abrotman: well i dont seem to have any firewall rules that would affect just this one source-dest |
| 11:20.24 | jaggz- | that worked |
| 11:21.05 | Kobaz | abrotman: i have: client -> openvpn server -> lan -> (machineA/machineB) |
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| 11:21.27 | abrotman | Kobaz: time to learn how to use tcpdump i suppose |
| 11:21.42 | Kobaz | oh i've been tcpdumping all day |
| 11:22.09 | Kobaz | connecting to machineA works fine, machineB will drop network connections before they start |
| 11:22.21 | jaggz- | (hit ctrl-c to stop the arping once it's running) http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/06/howto-force-remote-devices-routersswitches-to-refresh-their-arp-cache-entry-for-a-machine/ |
| 11:22.21 | Kobaz | well, before they can start properly |
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| 11:22.47 | jaggz- | Kobaz, remote? |
| 11:23.02 | Kobaz | and machineC-Z/etc also work fine |
| 11:23.22 | Kobaz | it's this one box i can't connect to via the vpn, but i can ssh to a lan machine and then ssh to machineB |
| 11:23.25 | Kobaz | jaggz-: openvpn |
| 11:23.53 | Kobaz | but i don't think it's specifically openvpn it's gotta be some setting on the machine on the lan in combination with openvpn |
| 11:23.54 | jaggz- | what kind of connections? |
| 11:24.04 | Kobaz | ssh,telnet,web,anything |
| 11:24.07 | jaggz- | can you get to mB from mA? |
| 11:24.10 | Kobaz | yes |
| 11:24.21 | jaggz- | does mB show anything in tcpdump when you try to access it? |
| 11:24.23 | Kobaz | but not from the vpn client |
| 11:24.25 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 11:24.38 | Kobaz | shows a fully set up tcp connection if i telnet to the ssh port |
| 11:24.50 | jaggz- | and then drops the telnet? |
| 11:25.03 | Kobaz | it'll drop it if i try to send any data |
| 11:25.13 | jaggz- | any other signs it's under attack? |
| 11:25.15 | Kobaz | or it'll just time out if i wait long enough |
| 11:25.25 | Kobaz | no it's not being attacked |
| 11:25.41 | Kobaz | from machineA i can connect to B just fine |
| 11:25.41 | jaggz- | have you assigned it another IP address and tried accessing it via that one through the vpn? |
| 11:25.53 | Kobaz | mm i can alias up another one, lemme try that |
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| 11:26.27 | Kobaz | same thing |
| 11:26.49 | Kobaz | telnet host 22, no welcome banner, type something, connection dropped |
| 11:26.50 | jaggz- | yuck.. and it's always a scary thing to do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 from remote :) |
| 11:27.02 | Kobaz | nah, just ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.35.90 |
| 11:27.41 | Kobaz | here's the dump |
| 11:28.20 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.ca/2168517 |
| 11:28.23 | jaggz- | yeah.. I'm not sure of the different resources allocated.. but it's possible something got bugged and completely downing it and bringing it back up would re-allocate those resources anew.. but this is just one step I'd take, perhaps out of ignornace. |
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| 11:29.18 | Kobaz | i've had this problem before on a virtualbox instance |
| 11:29.47 | Kobaz | i didn't figure out specifically what it was, but switching it from a routed subnet on the virtualbox adapter to bridged fixed the problem |
| 11:29.48 | jaggz- | what's do those first 4 packets look like from machine A? |
| 11:29.50 | Kobaz | but this isn't a vm |
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| 11:31.35 | Kobaz | probably have to dump the packets themselves, the headers alone aren't going to help much |
| 11:31.57 | Kobaz | but machineA to machineB has one extra packet, obviously |
| 11:32.12 | Kobaz | since it's getting the ssh welcome banner, versus the vpn client does not |
| 11:34.00 | jaggz- | might be related.. but longer term connections: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Unix/AIX/Q_23428454.html |
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| 11:34.59 | jaggz- | what are you using to setup the VPN? I haven't done that. |
| 11:35.01 | thewanderer1 | begins suspecting the usual offender, MTU |
| 11:35.29 | Kobaz | openvpn |
| 11:35.44 | jaggz- | packet encapsulation might be different via the VPN.. but once it reaches mB .. hmm |
| 11:35.52 | Kobaz | well |
| 11:35.57 | Kobaz | machineA via the vpn works fine |
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| 11:36.07 | Kobaz | machineB has problems via the vpn |
| 11:36.16 | Kobaz | and machineC-Z also work fine via the vpn |
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| 11:36.47 | jaggz- | and shouldn't its settings all be the same as several other machines? anyway.. check out MTU .. why not :) |
| 11:36.49 | Kobaz | so, you would think it would be easy enough to find what the difference is |
| 11:36.51 | oops | when is a debian day? |
| 11:37.29 | Kobaz | they should be the same yeah most of the machines are built off the same image |
| 11:37.43 | dfxz | hello, is it possible to apt-get kfreebsd without trouble? |
| 11:37.48 | Kobaz | mostly-the-same |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | dfxz: from what |
| 11:37.56 | defektz | abrotman: wheezy |
| 11:37.59 | abrotman | Kobaz: tcpdump running yet? |
| 11:38.03 | abrotman | defektz: linux wheezy? |
| 11:38.23 | defektz | debian wheezy |
| 11:38.28 | abrotman | defektz: linux wheezy? |
| 11:38.35 | Kobaz | abrotman: it's been dumping with a vengeance |
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| 11:39.24 | boudiccas | oops: every day :) |
| 11:39.40 | Kobaz | okay, so getting somewhere |
| 11:39.56 | Kobaz | the vpn client definitely does not receive the ssh welcome banner |
| 11:40.04 | Kobaz | but the machineB is definitely sending it out |
| 11:40.11 | Kobaz | lets see what the vpn server does with the packet |
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| 11:40.34 | defektz | abrotman: debian wheezy. |
| 11:40.50 | defektz | linux. yes. |
| 11:41.07 | abrotman | then no |
| 11:41.08 | Kobaz | probably something's getting natted that shouldn't be |
| 11:41.15 | defektz | abrotman: allright :) tnx |
| 11:41.22 | thewanderer1 | or it's a freakin' MTU problem |
| 11:41.44 | jaggz- | or something else.. have you turned on verbose logging in openvpn? |
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| 11:42.05 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.35 | abrotman | defektz: kfreebsd is a differnet kernel and some different tools |
| 11:42.41 | Kobaz | jaggz-: i'm doubting it's an openvpn issue at the moment since every other host on the lan is reachable and usable except for this one |
| 11:43.03 | jaggz- | reboot :) |
| 11:43.11 | Kobaz | jaggz-: it would be a bit mind boggeling as to what could possibly be configured in openvpn to make one very specific endpoint not function properly |
| 11:43.29 | Kobaz | endpoint on the local lan no less |
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| 11:46.12 | Kobaz | so the welcome banner is getting lost in the void somewhere between machineB, the local gw, and postrouting on the vpn server |
| 11:46.42 | jaggz- | maybe the connection fails right after the initial handshake |
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| 11:46.48 | jaggz- | but only a following packet causes the death |
| 11:47.05 | Kobaz | yeah because it tried to read from a bad socket |
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| 11:49.46 | Kobaz | default gateway gets it |
| 11:49.53 | Kobaz | there's my little packet: 02:48:59.961499 IP 192.168.35.90.ssh > 10.3.1.6.52098: Flags [P.], seq 1:42, ack 1, win 905, options [nop,nop,TS val 2165983872 ecr 9613892], length 41 |
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| 11:52.16 | jaggz- | some of these pages mention the default route changing with vpn connections |
| 11:52.30 | Kobaz | ah |
| 11:52.51 | jaggz- | I'm going to have to give up on this one though.. got some pressing tasks of my own to get back to.. |
| 11:52.53 | Kobaz | yeah that's something i should look into, going to this host causes an icmp redirect, i wonder if it does that for all lan hosts |
| 11:52.57 | Kobaz | heh |
| 11:54.03 | jaggz- | :/ g'luck |
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| 11:55.21 | Kobaz | oooh |
| 11:55.24 | Kobaz | no icmp redirect |
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| 11:56.01 | Kobaz | that's gotta be the difference |
| 11:56.31 | Kobaz | lets try some hackery |
| 11:57.06 | Kobaz | ah hah |
| 11:57.22 | Kobaz | route add -net 10.3.1.0/24 gw 192.168.35.24 |
| 11:57.25 | Kobaz | okay that fixed it |
| 11:57.56 | Kobaz | at least i have a workaround, the next fun part is finding why one host gets an icmp redirect and one doesn't... the redirect screws stuff up |
| 11:58.44 | Kobaz | now i can get work done at least, heh |
| 11:58.53 | Kobaz | i mean... how else would i have spent my weekend? |
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| 12:00.05 | symptom | how do i clear hash sum mismatch errors in aptitude? |
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| 12:02.59 | abrotman | symptom: aptitude clean |
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| 12:05.30 | symptom | abrotman, nope. same issue |
| 12:05.51 | abrotman | try a different mirror |
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| 12:09.59 | symptom | abrotman, it is debian-multimedia that is giving me the error. I also tried Acquire::http::No-Cache= true and deleting all debian-multimedia entries in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 12:10.19 | jaggz- | Kobaz, how should anyone spend their time |
| 12:11.43 | Kobaz | ah |
| 12:11.45 | Kobaz | jaggz-: found it |
| 12:12.13 | Kobaz | looks like by default, in new kernels (3.3+) that net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects is 0 by default |
| 12:12.31 | abrotman | symptom: use a pastebin to show us |
| 12:12.37 | loop- | anyone here following the seccomp developments for linux that google is working on |
| 12:12.43 | Kobaz | in the department of redundancy department |
| 12:12.52 | loop- | and do you guys have any plans on implementing them anytime soon |
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| 12:13.53 | Kobaz | jaggz-: so, in case you ever have a box that not respecting icmp redirects, then you'll need to turn that on |
| 12:13.56 | Kobaz | just that easy! |
| 12:14.20 | Aiur | hello I have a very weird problem |
| 12:14.54 | Kobaz | (and yes, i know icmp redirects are bad mmkay, but that's how i've set up my network for now) |
| 12:14.56 | symptom | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/178059/ |
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| 12:15.41 | abrotman | symptom: okay, debian-multimedia still has mirrors |
| 12:15.43 | jaggz- | sounds like the drunkenness of relief |
| 12:16.21 | jaggz- | careful before you do something bad |
| 12:16.58 | Kobaz | heh |
| 12:17.25 | Kobaz | apparently icmp redirects can be used for man in the middle attacks which is why it got the default off |
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| 12:17.41 | Kobaz | i much prefer girl in the middle |
| 12:18.47 | abrotman | ... |
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| 12:22.03 | symptom | abrotman, apparently there is some issue with aptitude and debian-multimedia.org. The site says to use apt-get instead, which worked. |
| 12:22.32 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense .. but okay |
| 12:22.51 | Aiur | my LAN topology is this [[VMs] PC1] --- [ISP box] --- [PC2]. everything works fine except that for some obscure reasons, on PC1 any packets coming from the ISP box seem to be "dropped", the iptables and ebtables are both empty, and a tshark icmp on PC1 indicates that the ISP box reponds |
| 12:23.32 | Aiur | but ping shows "100% packet loss" |
| 12:24.15 | abrotman | wonders how that's related to Debian |
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| 12:25.27 | Aiur | ok i'll ask elsewhere |
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| 12:34.13 | kephra | it looks as if deborphan is broken - its now showing packages like diff or mktemp - certainly not orphan libraries that are save for removal |
| 12:36.10 | lapsusbrutus | hi guys, I got a nas that I power on just when i need it.. I put it in fstab with mount option "defaults". That works great ofcourse when nas is powered on, but when not boot hangs. makes perfectly sense.. but would like to automount it if it finds it, but timeout after 5 seconds if not found. Would this be the correct way of doing it in fstab?: defaults,timeo=5 |
| 12:36.26 | abrotman | kephra: in which version of Debian ? |
| 12:36.44 | kephra | abrotman, wheezy |
| 12:37.39 | abrotman | kephra: looks like it changed a bit |
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| 12:38.34 | abrotman | kephra: seems to be defaulting to the old -a |
| 12:39.25 | kephra | abrotman, could be |
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| 12:41.45 | NuxRo | Hi. On a bunch of Debian 6 machines no network starts at boot, also there is nothing in /etc/rc2.d resembling the network service. Where should I look? "ifup eth0" from cli works just fine |
| 12:42.01 | Volkswagner | lapsusbrutus, if you only power on the NAS occasionally, perhaps fstab is not the best route |
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| 12:42.04 | abrotman | NuxRo: did someone remove the script manually ? |
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| 12:42.17 | NuxRo | no idea, i inherited" them |
| 12:42.25 | NuxRo | nothing dodgy in bash_history |
| 12:42.29 | abrotman | NuxRo: shuld be in the netbase package |
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| 12:42.38 | Volkswagner | You may get more joy with a script run by cron to ping the NAS once per minute, if it gets a response then mount it |
| 12:43.25 | NuxRo | abrotman: netbase package is installed |
| 12:43.27 | stephan48 | is there a channel for debian maintainers/release team? |
| 12:43.42 | abrotman | stephan48: those are different things .. and what are you really looking for? |
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| 12:43.53 | abrotman | NuxRo: so the old admin intentionally removed it .. smart guy .. |
| 12:43.59 | abrotman | </sarcasm> |
| 12:44.03 | stephan48 | complain about a maintainer, request fixing of packages |
| 12:44.22 | useless-eater | Volkswagner: like 50/50 :) one way would be "noauto" and mount it manually when needed.. but seems like I need to create a script checking if exists first and then mount it and put it in rc.local or .bashrc or something :) |
| 12:44.28 | useless-eater | thanks Volkswagner |
| 12:44.29 | abrotman | stephan48: that's not where you'd do that .. |
| 12:44.43 | stephan48 | but i could where i could do that |
| 12:44.49 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:45.08 | abrotman | stephan48: which maintainer? which package(s)? |
| 12:45.16 | NuxRo | abrotman: so how do i solve this problem? i have added "ifup eth0" in rc.local for the moment |
| 12:45.19 | stephan48 | may i query you? |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | stephan48: just keep it in the channel |
| 12:45.31 | abrotman | please |
| 12:45.39 | abrotman | NuxRo: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:45.49 | abrotman | stephan48: you're not going to hurt anyone's feelings here |
| 12:46.02 | abrotman | okay, maybe ompaul .. but he's five |
| 12:46.32 | NuxRo | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:48.21 | abrotman | stephan48: ? |
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| 12:50.18 | abrotman | waits for stephan48 |
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| 12:50.36 | stephan48 | ron* and packages include but not solely, roaraudio*, he first broke these without actuall consent with the maintainer/dev and this resulting in removal, witch made me unable to properly use them, aditionally he then removed the support in libao for that, same with ices2... also he removed libcelt in a rush affecting roaraudio, for which he then complained that the dev didnt do it properly and fast enougth, nice enougth he still has an own pkg ... |
| 12:50.42 | stephan48 | ... depending on celt which is unfixed, |
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| 12:52.05 | abrotman | the general idea there is to file a bug against those packages .. you can include details in the bug report and state that the NMUs broke functionality |
| 12:52.36 | stephan48 | k |
| 12:52.38 | abrotman | stephan48: is there already a bug for his own package that is broken ? |
| 12:53.13 | stephan48 | i will look |
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| 12:55.44 | useless-eater | what would be an elegant way of checking if a server is running in bash for scripting? |
| 12:56.05 | stew | useless-eater: readlink -f /bin/sh |
| 12:56.35 | stew | useless-eater: but why do you want to know? if you are going to do something requiring bash, you should just be declaring #!/bin/bash in the shebang |
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| 12:57.39 | useless-eater | something like this $ check_if_server_up && mount_nfs_share || do_nothing |
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| 12:58.33 | useless-eater | I could ping and grep -q or something? but want it elegantly done :p |
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| 12:58.42 | abrotman | useless-eater: pgrep |
| 12:59.22 | jelly-home | pgrep is for processes, not remote machines |
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| 13:00.43 | abrotman | oh, the remote server ..i thought he meant a local daemon |
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| 13:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "elegantly"... does that include a pirouette? |
| 13:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's the -c option to ping |
| 13:01.50 | burd | My apt-mirror for security and debian-updates is out of date, I've tried removing the release files and running it again but it still gets an outdated release file.. I set a machine to go directly to where I am getting the mirror from and it works fine.. anyone know a solution to this issue by chance? |
| 13:02.06 | burd | Opps sorry the release file is out of date |
| 13:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but actually you can just attempt the mount... and let it succeed or fail |
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| 13:04.04 | useless-eater | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm true |
| 13:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ping -c 3 or so would fail quicker, though |
| 13:04.50 | useless-eater | ping -c1 192.168.1.23 |grep "1 received" && echo yay || echo fail |
| 13:05.35 | gotmynick | I use to add -w "$timeout_seconds" |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | thought ping had an exit code ? |
| 13:05.58 | useless-eater | ahh that would be bette |
| 13:05.59 | useless-eater | r |
| 13:06.18 | gotmynick | if ping -q -c 1 -w 3; then echo yay; else echo fail; fi |
| 13:07.30 | useless-eater | yea! :) thanks a lot everybody! |
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| 13:16.27 | ompaul | abrotman: you left out the zero minus one ;-) |
| 13:16.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:17.55 | ompaul | was involved in an urgent tea and cake (which was not a lie) conference |
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| 13:27.14 | metaphysician | so, we should not say 'Debian GNU/Linux' when we mean 'Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and/or Debian GNU/Linux and/or Debian GNU/Hurd' ? |
| 13:28.08 | abrotman | metaphysician: or say "Debian" ? :) |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | metaphysician: i was only asking because i wasn't sure if he had a bare machine or wanted to install the kfreebsd from linux |
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| 13:38.39 | metaphysician | Debian helped discover the Higgs-Boson..! Yaay!!! |
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| 13:38.45 | useless-eater | anyone tested debian with hurd kernel? thinking of testing it |
| 13:41.20 | abrotman | useless-eater: plenty of people |
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| 13:45.04 | useless-eater | abrotman: is it like going 10 years back in time? or is it good? :) |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | useless-eater: try it in a VM |
| 13:47.04 | useless-eater | downloading :) |
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| 13:52.40 | cuit | Hi, I just realised that Iceweasel in testing is version 10 whereas Firefox is actually at 13, how up-to-date is testing as opposed to sid? |
| 13:53.12 | gotmynick | , info iceweasel |
| 13:53.16 | judd | Package iceweasel (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Web browser based on Firefox. Version: 3.5.16-14; Size: 1073.1k; Installed: 3976k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iceweasel |
| 13:53.24 | gotmynick | errr |
| 13:53.31 | gotmynick | , versions iceweasel |
| 13:53.32 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-1; sid: 10.0.5esr-2; experimental: 13.0.1-2 |
| 13:54.06 | jelly-home | cuit: it's up to date with the 1-year-supported ESR release of Firefox |
| 13:54.17 | cuit | Oh, I thought sid and by proxy testing were kept up to date |
| 13:54.24 | jelly-home | they are. |
| 13:54.28 | cuit | ESR? |
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| 13:54.51 | boudiccas | erythrocite sedimentation rate |
| 13:54.57 | jelly-home | cuit: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ |
| 13:56.14 | jelly-home | or possibly that step 2) link http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
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| 13:57.50 | cuit | Does "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" usual mean one thing that someone can tell me? |
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| 13:58.02 | cuit | Trying to install iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:58.25 | gotmynick | you will need to import the key for not official repos |
| 13:58.48 | gotmynick | and then run apt-get update |
| 13:59.17 | gotmynick | actually if you want to follow firefox last version, it now has a "autoupdate" feature |
| 13:59.38 | gotmynick | so you can just download it, uncompress, and link the launcher from your $PATH |
| 14:00.53 | cuit | Ah yes my bad, forgot the keys |
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| 14:02.46 | cuit | Why is this happening? "The following packages have been kept back:" |
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| 14:04.24 | gotmynick | your system may need apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:04.30 | hje841 | is there a one-liner to do filetransfer via ftp in a terminal emulator? |
| 14:04.36 | hje841 | and what is it? |
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| 14:04.49 | gotmynick | cuit, note that this channel will no support unofficial repositories and their changes |
| 14:05.09 | cuit | gotmynick: Yea, was just me forgetting to add their public keys |
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| 14:06.31 | gotmynick | hje841, curl, lftp, a Net::FTP script... |
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| 14:08.15 | cuit | , info xfce4 |
| 14:08.17 | judd | Package xfce4 (xfce, optional) in squeeze/i386: Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. Version: 4.6.2; Size: 7.2k; Installed: 40k; Homepage: http://www.xfce.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xfce4 |
| 14:08.57 | cuit | , version xfce4 |
| 14:08.58 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 14:09.37 | hje841 | gotmynick, thanks |
| 14:09.53 | cuit | jelly-home: Thanks, I didn't know there was an ESR for Firefox |
| 14:10.37 | cuit | I was under the impression sid is effectively arch with it's packages (being bleeding edge), what is the criteria for updating packages if this isn't true? |
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| 14:11.05 | boudiccas | cuit: what do you mean by 'arch'? |
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| 14:12.16 | cuit | boudiccas: Ah, Arch Linux* |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | cuit: it's bleeding edge when the maintainer feels like uploading .. |
| 14:13.06 | abrotman | (and is allowed) |
| 14:13.30 | boudiccas | cuit: no, sid is SID! Part of the debian family and not another distro |
| 14:13.58 | cuit | boudiccas: lulwat, I said like arch as in bleeding edge; Arch Linux is reknown for it's bleeding edgeness |
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| 14:14.26 | cuit | Curse Konversation's close tab button being there! |
| 14:15.27 | boudiccas | cuit: well i've never investigated 'arch' so wouldn't knowanything about it. |
| 14:15.39 | cuit | boudiccas: Well I said Bleeding Edge |
| 14:16.47 | cuit | well, I saw someone say it's down to the maintainer to maintain, it's difficult to believe noone has updated iceweasel in three version; I guess it's possible |
| 14:16.57 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 14:17.06 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-1; sid: 10.0.5esr-2; experimental: 13.0.1-2 |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 14:17.16 | abrotman | cuit: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:17.29 | cuit | I've done that already |
| 14:17.30 | abrotman | cuit: they're tracking the ESR for wheezy's release |
| 14:17.37 | abrotman | that's why it's in sid .. |
| 14:17.38 | cuit | Ohhh yea |
| 14:17.47 | abrotman | see the versoin in experimental also |
| 14:17.49 | cuit | forgot that, mybad |
| 14:18.06 | cuit | What is experimental? |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | the developer playground .. |
| 14:18.22 | cuit | hehe ok |
| 14:18.22 | abrotman | things may work, may not .. might eat your children or your data |
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| 14:21.27 | ciem | or a kitten |
| 14:22.36 | abrotman | but don't worry, we have robotfindskitten for that |
| 14:23.12 | ciem | eatenkitten to be exact |
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| 14:32.48 | kephra | lenny, squeeze, wheezy - /etc/init.d/rc does not call invoke-rc.d and therefor policy-rc.d is never queried - or do I miss the point? |
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| 15:57.44 | Captain_Haddock | Hi, D6 - I've noticed that there's an entry in /etc/logrotate.d/ named rsyslog.disabled which appears to store settings for syslog and mail log rotations. Is this correct? Why is it called .disabled when it appears to be functioning? |
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| 16:08.57 | Captain_Haddock | Tharkun: thanks. But how exactly is this relevant? |
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| 16:14.04 | fasta | What does apt-rpm do? |
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| 16:15.31 | boudiccas | fasta: nothing on my squeeze box, it ssays 'command not found' |
| 16:15.51 | Aaron | fasta: Basically a version of apt-get that has been ported to work with systems that use RPM package system. Like RedHat. |
| 16:16.33 | fasta | Aaron: what exactly has been ported? The names of the packages too? |
| 16:16.57 | fasta | Aaron: for example does apt-rpm install libfoo-dev install libfoo-devel? |
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| 16:17.17 | fasta | Aaron: and why would anyone want that instead of yum? |
| 16:17.48 | tharkun | Captain_Haddock: diff should tell you a thing or two, the other road is move the file that is avoiding the logrotation and keep on with your life |
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| 16:18.28 | Aaron | fasta: Not really. Whatever the name of the package is that's the name that would be typed in. I don't know is yum is better, but yum and apt-rpm does the same things basically. |
| 16:18.31 | tremon | fasta: go read http://apt-rpm.org/about.shtml and then argue with its maintainer instead of us |
| 16:18.59 | fasta | tremon: if you have no clue, there is no need to tell everyone about that. |
| 16:19.13 | tharkun | AFAIK man logrotate doesn't mention that file at all. So someone might have putted it there and added the "disabled" prefix to disable it. |
| 16:19.22 | fasta | Aaron: ok |
| 16:19.24 | boudiccas | fasta: get a life! |
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| 16:20.43 | fasta | boudiccas: you are the one who replies with contentless words. |
| 16:21.08 | fasta | boudiccas: so, what I said to tremon also holds for you. |
| 16:21.17 | tharkun | !troll |
| 16:21.17 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
| 16:21.20 | fasta | boudiccas: I note that you have done this before in the past. |
| 16:21.20 | boudiccas | fasta: BS |
| 16:21.21 | ompaul | fasta: you are asking about a redhat command in #debian |
| 16:21.22 | nkuttler | fasta: apt-rpm is not in debian, you are off topic. get over it |
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| 16:22.53 | ompaul | And it's goneeeee |
| 16:23.01 | ompaul | !next |
| 16:23.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 16:24.06 | taime1 | hi, i have read a great deal about permissions but i still dont trust my limited knowledge of them. can someone please help with setting permissions? |
| 16:24.22 | taime1 | i have a parent folder that is owned by a group, and sub folders in it that are owned by other groups. i need members of the parent group to be able to see, but not access the sub folders, unless they are members of the sub folder group- then i want them to have full access to the sub folder whose group they are in. |
| 16:24.36 | taime1 | is this possible? and if so, how? i was told 755 the parent and the subs, but that doesnt seem right based on what ive read |
| 16:25.03 | tharkun | !TIAS |
| 16:25.03 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 16:25.04 | tremon | taime1: iirc, you were told to 750 the parent |
| 16:25.35 | taime1 | tremon: you are right. i was actually told 755 elsewhere but i just want to be absoultely sure |
| 16:25.45 | taime1 | and thank you for responding |
| 16:26.01 | tharkun | taime1: If you can alter permisions, you can set up a test user to try and get your exact behaviour. |
| 16:26.22 | taime1 | i suppose thats true tharkun |
| 16:26.31 | taime1 | i guess ill give it a go |
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| 16:26.57 | Captain_Haddock | tharkun: thanks. I was wondering if this was a debian thing. It's a Linode D6 VPS and I don't know if they've customised the image somehow. |
| 16:27.05 | taime1 | mainly, i wanted to know if its even possible for me to own something in your house but you not have access to it just because you also have a key to your house. does that make sense? |
| 16:27.13 | tremon | alternating between 750 and 755 will not affect members of the parent group. Yesterday, you had an additional requirement that non-members of the groups should not be able to access the dirs at all |
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| 16:27.53 | mithrop | hi here. I have a problem with the installation of astah-community. The configuration of the packet has an error, and it seems caused by the non installation of Sun Java 1.6 (I have 1.7...). So I would like to tell to aptitude to not tru to configure this packet anymore. |
| 16:27.54 | tharkun | Captain_Haddock: #linode @irc.oftc.net |
| 16:27.58 | taime1 | tremon: i think i was not explaining it very well. which is why i reposted the question. the above question is most accurate |
| 16:28.09 | Captain_Haddock | tharkun: Good idea :) Cheers! |
| 16:28.41 | taime1 | we need to all be able to go into the parent directory and see each others folders, but only be able to access the folder that we are a group member of |
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| 16:29.06 | tremon | taime1: then 755 on the parent is probably what you want. Still, you should follow dpkg's advice |
| 16:29.16 | taime1 | yes sir i will. |
| 16:29.20 | taime1 | thanks |
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| 16:43.55 | WormFood | what is the command line tool to do date calculations...like a specific date plus X number of days falls on what date type of stuff? |
| 16:44.50 | blubberdiblub | you should be able to do that with just the date command. or with some additional shell features |
| 16:45.13 | Calinou | WormFood, wiki has some info on it :P |
| 16:45.41 | WormFood | I read the date man page, and it didn't explain how to do the math |
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| 16:46.44 | tremon | WormFood: "The date string format is more complex than is easily documented here but is fully described in the info documentation" |
| 16:46.44 | blubberdiblub | WormFood: for instance "date --date 'tomorrow 2 days'" adds 2 days to tomorrow's date |
| 16:47.30 | blubberdiblub | or: date --date 'August 5 10 days' |
| 16:47.41 | blubberdiblub | adds 10 days to august 5th |
| 16:48.15 | Calinou | I remember some doc about this... I forgot where it is |
| 16:48.39 | WormFood | yes, that is what I remembered reading at one time, but didn't find it in the date man page, so just assumed my memory was fragmented, and it was a different command.....but I read it in the info page, it seems (or on a web page)...thanks tremon and blubberdiblub |
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| 16:49.38 | blubberdiblub | WormFood, yup, it should be in the info document. "info coreutils date" |
| 16:49.55 | tremon | now, if someone could point me to a guide explaining how to navigate info... |
| 16:50.19 | tremon | (please don't say info info ;) |
| 16:50.26 | blubberdiblub | tremon: i usually use pinfo instead, it's navigated similar to lynx |
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| 16:50.43 | tremon | thx, will try that |
| 16:50.56 | WormFood | install pinfo |
| 16:51.05 | blubberdiblub | pinfo doesn't support the second argument on the command line, tho, unlike the "info" command |
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| 16:51.58 | WormFood | yeah, I discovered that ;) |
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| 16:52.06 | WormFood | but easy enough to find |
| 16:52.50 | WormFood | I just got an email titled "how to upgrade to windows 8"....sometimes I wished it was possible to burn email...I'd like to take a match to that one. |
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| 16:54.37 | tremon | did it start with "first, install windows 95..." ? |
| 16:55.03 | Calinou | WormFood, lol |
| 16:55.12 | WormFood | blubberdiblub, thanks for that pinfo tip. Seems nice (never had a problem with info, but didn't care for the key sequences they used |
| 16:55.30 | WormFood | tremon, it started with, first install windows 3.11 |
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| 16:55.34 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome :) |
| 16:56.18 | Calinou | first install DOS too |
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| 16:56.41 | WormFood | I actually have virtual machines running windows 3.11, windows nt 4.0, windows 2000, windows 95 and 98 (I can still make up windows 95 OEM serial numbers, off the top of my head....I should write an article on it, since there is no way Microsoft could possibly lose money on it) |
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| 16:57.43 | WormFood | I want to get windows 1.1, and 2.x running too....but not sure if I'll need a different emulator, to emulate older hardware |
| 16:58.03 | Calinou | windows 0.1 :P |
| 16:58.12 | tremon | WormFood: running a museum? |
| 16:58.24 | WormFood | a virtual museum |
| 16:58.40 | WormFood | I started repairing computers professionally, back in the dos/windows 3.1 daze |
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| 16:58.43 | kontinuity | hey guys, due to some aptitude screw up, all my packages are now showing in "deinstall" state, how do I fix this? |
| 16:58.59 | WormFood | I actually had a complete copy of netware 2.11.....including the entire stack of manuals |
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| 17:00.10 | Mr_Queue | anyone know of a link for xfce similar to this? http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 17:00.48 | tremon | kontinuity: aptitude keep-all |
| 17:01.17 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/old_computers/ <-- the gimix is a computer from the early 1980s, probably '81...the "albert" is probably the only one left in the world that still works. I found another one online, in a museum. There seems to have not been many made. (it is an apple 2+ clone)...and the 68000 computer I built from a kit (bare circuit board)...so I sorta have a museum |
| 17:01.23 | kontinuity | tremon: thanks! will try |
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| 17:02.42 | WormFood | I personally know the guy who designed that 68000 computer, and the the guy who wrote the "bios" for it, lived very close to me, and I used to visit him regularly....so I was able to get custom requests into the rom monitor :D (this dude also wrote his own OS and business apps...ALL in assembly language" |
| 17:03.03 | lduros | I've manually installed Firefox Nightly in /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/bin -- now i'd like to have it as the default browser for everything rather than epiphany or iceweasel. I tried creating a firefox.desktop but I still don't see it appear in "details" default browser. Any idea how to do this? |
| 17:03.54 | craigevil | lduros, http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html |
| 17:04.00 | lduros | craigevil: thanks |
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| 17:05.40 | craigevil | lduros, i am lazy i just leave firefox in ~Downloads, my firefox.desktop > http://paste.debian.net/178088/ |
| 17:09.02 | lduros | craigevil: hey cool thanks |
| 17:09.48 | craigevil | copy your firefox.desktop to /usr/share/applications so it will show up on menu under Internet |
| 17:10.23 | lduros | yep, seems to work :-) |
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| 17:18.41 | kontinuity | tremon: doesn't seem to work |
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| 17:18.52 | kontinuity | {s}[~]$ dpkg --get-selections | more |
| 17:18.52 | kontinuity | adduserdeinstall |
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| 17:19.04 | kontinuity | tremon: it shows that for all of them |
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| 17:20.15 | tremon | then you need the equivalent command for dpkg/dselect, I guess |
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| 17:20.49 | lduros | here is another question. I use lm-sensors to tell the CPU temperature. In Ubuntu the temperature is usually around 48, on debian I can hear the fans more and the temperature is usually around 58. Anybody knows why this would happen? |
| 17:21.32 | lduros | it's an asus U46 with intel graphics |
| 17:21.34 | lduros | btw |
| 17:21.39 | taime1 | tremon: is this correct if i want to set permissions all at once on like a hundred folders?: find . -type d -exec chmod 750 {} \; |
| 17:21.49 | un214 | yes |
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| 17:22.07 | taime1 | un214: me? |
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| 17:24.36 | un214 | taime1: yes |
| 17:24.50 | taime1 | un214: thanks very much |
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| 17:26.47 | thewanderer1 | lduros: is frequency scaling enabled? check the frequency in /proc/cpuinfo, is it running at the highest possible? |
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| 17:32.12 | iluminator105 | how do i disable true crypt encryption of a drive, and turn off encrytion, its taking too long |
| 17:33.01 | nkuttler | iluminator105: truecrypt is not in debian, ask their support |
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| 17:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | So apparently kernels 2.6.31 - 2.6.38 have problems with XFS. |
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| 17:37.28 | guardian | hello, at home I have a dsl box and a lan with a windows host and a debian squeeze host. I know the windows host can open ports on the dsl box's firewall through upnp. now I'm trying mosh and I notice my debian squeeze box doesn't make the dsl box's firewall open the port 60001 (mosh's default port). what do I need to make my squeeze box work with upnp (or is it recommended to avoid upnp?) |
| 17:39.15 | thewanderer1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.08 | thewanderer1 | UPnP port forwards will probably become obsolete once IPv6 arrives, anyway :P |
| 17:40.15 | guardian | ok |
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| 17:44.46 | k1ckn1ck | i'm struggling to install debian using either the netinstall or cd1. Failure to detect the SSD drive using ATI IXP700/800 SATA300 controller.I have pasted the syslog here http://pastebin.com/Ce26F6V8 |
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| 17:46.53 | nkuttler | k1ckn1ck: kfreebsd? |
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| 17:47.29 | k1ckn1ck | sorry that log is from kfreebsd but i have also attempted this with a standard debian image with same result |
| 17:47.44 | nkuttler | k1ckn1ck: they have their own support channel at oftc, /msg dpkg kfreebsd |
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| 17:49.08 | thewanderer1 | k1ckn1ck: the E-350 is fairly common hardware, its chipsets should be supported... have you tried with the testing version of the installer? |
| 17:49.18 | jhutchins_lt | guardian: You may have to manually forward the port if mosh is something that accepts external connections. If it originates connections it should be fine, as the firewall should allow established traffic. |
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| 17:50.15 | guardian | yeah doing so, works thanks for the replies! |
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| 17:50.32 | k1ckn1ck | thewanderer1 no not as of yet, will download it and try it. |
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| 18:03.00 | hyper_ch | hmmm, when I install Debian from the netinstall cd at the end with tasksel I get the option to have the standard system utilies installed. However when I run tasksel again later, that option isn't there anymore |
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| 18:04.28 | un214 | please re-open bug 647153 |
| 18:04.34 | useless-eater | if modules "kvm" and "kvm_intel" are running ok, then I can be sure that virtual machines can get direct cpu access right? hurd is using a looong time to install.. wonder why. little cpu usage and little disk io.. but dont think it crashed, it has fooled me a few times already, every time Im loosing hope and is about to kill it, something happens :p |
| 18:04.42 | nsadmin | so you didn 't install the standard system and you want to? |
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| 18:04.53 | un214 | while my patch included in the bug works, the upstream fix doesn't |
| 18:05.07 | nkuttler | un214: please do it yourself |
| 18:05.20 | un214 | I got an error message trying to do so |
| 18:05.28 | nkuttler | un214: pastebin it? |
| 18:05.38 | un214 | 550 550 Unknown or archived bug (state 13). |
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| 18:05.50 | nkuttler | un214: hm, did you use a browser? |
| 18:05.57 | nsadmin | un214, that sounds like an upstream conflict... did yhou talk to them? |
| 18:06.00 | nkuttler | only knows the email interface |
| 18:06.09 | nkuttler | un214: and you should file a bug against the bts in that case |
| 18:06.27 | thewanderer1 | useless-eater: if you are running KVM on qemu directly, you should press Ctrl+Alt+2, type "info kvm", and receive information |
| 18:06.41 | tremon | un214: that bug /is/ archived. Can't be reopened |
| 18:06.48 | nkuttler | ah |
| 18:06.57 | ansgar | un214: You need to unarchive the report first. Then you can reopen it (you can do both in the same mail). |
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| 18:07.10 | ilistentomusic | Hello, does anyone here know any Free Software that can generate playlist for ogg collection, that depends on each files characteristic? I mean bps, tempo, mood or whatever. Not just random or alphabetical order. |
| 18:07.14 | tremon | cool... didn't know about unarchiving |
| 18:07.17 | nkuttler | still sounds like a bts bug if the web ui returns an error |
| 18:07.19 | un214 | ansgar: I have no idea how to unarchive |
| 18:07.49 | nkuttler | ilistentomusic: quodlibet has fancy searches |
| 18:08.04 | nkuttler | ilistentomusic: and making a playlist from a search result should be trivial |
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| 18:08.19 | nkuttler | ilistentomusic: http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/wiki/SearchingGuide |
| 18:08.32 | ilistentomusic | nkuttler: Oh thank you wery much |
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| 18:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | ilistentomusic: Amarok or Clementine might be able to do that, worth checking them out. |
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| 18:13.05 | nkuttler | ilistentomusic: btw, do you expect auto detection for bps, tempo etc? |
| 18:13.19 | nsadmin | how do you get aptitude to install everything in standard? |
| 18:13.29 | nkuttler | standard? |
| 18:13.59 | nkuttler | nsadmin: if you mean main, you can't. conflicts |
| 18:14.04 | nsadmin | yeah, aka the standard system |
| 18:14.17 | nkuttler | do you mean base? |
| 18:14.23 | nkuttler | or tasksel |
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| 18:14.53 | nsadmin | base would already be installed, usually those packages are marked required/base |
| 18:15.08 | ilistentomusic | nkuttler: I expect something that will sort songs in any order that have sense and is based on song's characteristic. I have just one genre atm |
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| 18:15.16 | nkuttler | nsadmin: standard doesn't really mean anything |
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| 18:15.42 | nkuttler | ilistentomusic: do you have those characteristics tagged? |
| 18:15.54 | ansgar | un214: You can also just file a new bug and mention the old one in it. Then the maintainer can merge it with the old report if he wants to. |
| 18:15.56 | ilistentomusic | nope |
| 18:16.10 | un214 | I think I finally figured out unarchive. thanks anywan ansgar |
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| 18:16.22 | nkuttler | ilistentomusic: i see. no idea then. quodlibet doesn't guess characteristics or analyze songs |
| 18:16.23 | ansgar | un214: Otherwise the unarchive/reopen commands are documented on http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control (baiscally you need to send a mail to control@bugs.debian.org) |
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| 18:16.46 | useless-eater | thewanderer1: thanks, I aptituded "kvm virt-manager". cant find where to do that though. But it sais somewhere that : emulator=/usr/bin/kvm and thats good I guess:) |
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| 18:17.25 | thewanderer1 | useless-eater: it won't work through virt-manager :P |
| 18:17.58 | ilistentomusic | nkuttler: i'll check few bigger players. Maybe one of them is advanced enough. Goole searsh bring me only properietary things. I won't use them. |
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| 18:18.27 | thewanderer1 | useless-eater: the emulator line doesn't automagically enable acceleration, either - it only points to the kvm binary, which uses whatever is available |
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| 18:21.59 | pnh7 | Hi, how can I do deb packaging of a qt application? can you give me some tutorial link? |
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| 18:23.41 | hyper_ch | pnh7: google has lots of info |
| 18:24.07 | \3TATUK | `lspci|grep VGA` returns "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)" ... But it appears I have the "i915" driver loaded and not "i965"... Is there a way to check whether I should force i965 to load instead, and if so, how to? Also, the "i965-va-driver" package is not installed.... Should it be ? |
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| 18:25.16 | pnh7 | hyper_ch: I couldn't get Qt specific tutorial... someone told me that it can be done using cmake and checkinstall... i already wrote CMakeLists.txt.. |
| 18:25.24 | pnh7 | well.. I'll try once again... |
| 18:25.32 | pnh7 | thanks anyways.. :) |
| 18:25.38 | craigevil | pnh7, /msg dpkg mg |
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| 18:26.34 | hyper_ch | upon installation from netinst cd, you get at the end to the tasksel screen. It offers there "Standard system utilities".... however when you run tasksel later again, that option does not appear anymore. How can I install them again? |
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| 18:27.21 | nsadmin | pnh7, you probably want /msg dpkg nmg and specifically the packaging manual |
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| 18:27.47 | pnh7 | nsadmin, sure.. thanks :) |
| 18:28.10 | craigevil | hyper_ch, why would you need to install them again? they are already installed |
| 18:28.27 | hyper_ch | craigevil: not when I create a rootfs for crosscompiling |
| 18:28.36 | hyper_ch | craigevil: sorry, a chrooted rootfs |
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| 18:29.00 | anoob | My laptop has win7 and I'm running Debian Sid in Virtualbox. Sound isn't working at all ... |
| 18:29.03 | nsadmin | if you're packaging a qt app, that just means an app that requires specific libs |
| 18:29.34 | hyper_ch | debootstrapping doesn't install all of them |
| 18:29.44 | hyper_ch | and it's kinda annoying to later install them all manually again |
| 18:30.00 | un214 | how do I upgrade the kernel? |
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| 18:30.49 | Orbixx | Trying to update lenny |
| 18:30.51 | Orbixx | http://pastebin.com/dwBfVKk2 |
| 18:31.00 | hyper_ch | craigevil: basically I have this: http://pastebin.com/KmJ7SmDA |
| 18:31.02 | Orbixx | For some reason the remote servers are throwing 404s |
| 18:31.14 | Orbixx | What's going on? |
| 18:31.33 | simonlnu | see the /topic |
| 18:31.47 | Orbixx | Ah crap |
| 18:32.06 | Orbixx | Would've been nice for the last latest packages to have been left there D: |
| 18:32.27 | reuf | hello guys - can some one point me to some good tutorial on how all this apt-get package management works - i know the man pages, can some one give me some simplified bird eye overview - of what happens when im installing a package, conflicts and when i uninstall - it is such a big mess now |
| 18:32.29 | reuf | in my head |
| 18:32.32 | simonlnu | um, it's july... |
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| 18:33.43 | hyper_ch | reuf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool |
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| 18:34.59 | hyper_ch | reuf: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
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| 18:35.24 | hyper_ch | reuf: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html |
| 18:35.48 | hyper_ch | reuf: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 18:36.02 | reuf | hyper_ch, thanks a lot |
| 18:36.53 | hyper_ch | reuf: read first wikipedia, then last link and then whatever |
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| 18:38.34 | KsM | how would I add a repository, such as http://www.edmondweblog.com/repo/binary/ |
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| 18:39.18 | nitzs | How can I encrypt a file without using any additional space? Is it possible to XOR individual bytes of the file with a hash key? |
| 18:39.24 | dondelelcaro | KsM: that's not actually a debian package repository |
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| 18:39.45 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: you'll always use some additional space, but it's certainly possible to encrypt without using much more additional space |
| 18:40.18 | nitzs | dondelelcaro: yes i meant O(1) space. |
| 18:40.18 | babilen | !tell reuf -about debian handbook |
| 18:40.36 | KsM | I'm just trying to get Cinnamon on Wheezy |
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| 18:41.14 | ompaul | KsM: it's on his site before you do that read this |
| 18:41.18 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 18:41.18 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 18:41.55 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: there are many stream based encryption bits which can effectively encrypt in place plus buffer. |
| 18:42.17 | hyper_ch | nitzs: what do you try to achieve? |
| 18:42.22 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: but what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:42.45 | nitzs | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to encrypt a file. |
| 18:42.59 | KsM | Wheezy doesn't have Gnome2, cinnamon or MATE as far as I can see |
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| 18:43.15 | hyper_ch | nitzs: for what purpose? why can't it use more psace? |
| 18:43.16 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: ok; why doesn't gpg --encrypt work for you? |
| 18:43.47 | nitzs | dondelelcaro: gpg creates a copy from the original file. |
| 18:43.55 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: yes, but so what? |
| 18:44.22 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: if you want to do it in place, things get much more complicated |
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| 18:44.45 | ompaul | shred can be used on the source file to remove it |
| 18:44.48 | nitzs | dondelelcaro: I don't have enough space on the partition to create a copy of the file. |
| 18:45.03 | nitzs | I mean an encrypted copy. |
| 18:45.09 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: do you have enough memory to? |
| 18:45.17 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: how do you expect to decrypt it once it's encrypted? |
| 18:45.28 | nitzs | In place, of course. |
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| 18:45.57 | nitzs | I do have 3bg of RAM. |
| 18:46.07 | nitzs | gb* |
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| 18:46.39 | dondelelcaro | nitzs: is that enough to encrypt it in ram? if so, see sponge. Otherwise, you'd have to use ccrypt or similar |
| 18:47.03 | nitzs | dondelelcaro: Okay. Thanks. |
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| 18:48.47 | hyper_ch | or just use a fully encrypted FS to beginn with :) |
| 18:49.03 | dondelelcaro | KsM: they're supposedly being packaged. see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657395 |
| 18:49.03 | hyper_ch | with aes-ni you hardly notice any speed difference |
| 18:49.58 | nitzs | Okay |
| 18:50.32 | Calinou | <hyper_ch> or just use a fully encrypted FS to beginn with :) |
| 18:50.40 | Calinou | encrypting an entire FS is pointless IMO |
| 18:50.47 | Calinou | just don't live in russia |
| 18:50.49 | hyper_ch | Calinou: it is not pointless at all |
| 18:50.58 | dondelelcaro | Calinou: for laptops, it makes complete sense |
| 18:51.02 | Calinou | why? |
| 18:51.12 | dondelelcaro | Calinou: because laptops get stolen all the time |
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| 18:51.15 | hyper_ch | Calinou: I have everything encrypted, notebooks, desktops,home server, remote root servers, phones, tablets |
| 18:51.28 | nitzs | hyper_ch: Phones? |
| 18:51.40 | hyper_ch | nitzs: yes, android ICS can encrypt the sd card with the data |
| 18:52.23 | nitzs | hyper_ch: an encrypted FAT32? |
| 18:52.29 | Calinou | dondelelcaro, just don't bring your laptop to a random cybercafe :P |
| 18:52.46 | Calinou | encryption is slower... and annoying |
| 18:53.00 | hyper_ch | Calinou: with aes-ni you hardly notice any speed difference |
| 18:53.05 | hyper_ch | Calinou: and what's annoying about it? |
| 18:53.05 | Calinou | if you do not have to type some kind of ANOTHER password/whatever every reboot, then there is no additional security, no? |
| 18:53.32 | hyper_ch | why would you need to type another password? |
| 18:53.43 | Calinou | else; where does the additional security comes from? |
| 18:53.58 | nitzs | hyper_ch: someone can make a copy of the FS and then try to crack the copy. |
| 18:54.00 | Iamonthissong | hello. i am sorry, that i am ask help with wheezy configuring, however i didn't get any answer on #debian-next @ oftc.net. i noticed that my laptop with Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (lspci output - http://paste.debian.net/178103/) loads with wrong resolution (1024x768 instead of 1366x768). as i understood this happened because of loading X.org with driver vesa instead of intel (X.org log - |
| 18:54.02 | Iamonthissong | http://paste.debian.net/178102/). could someone point me how to change that behaviour? thanks in advance. |
| 18:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Calinou: yes, you do have to type in another password every reboot if you're doing things properly |
| 18:54.19 | dondelelcaro | Calinou: or provide something that you have, like a key |
| 18:54.23 | hyper_ch | Calinou: try to uncrypt an encrypted root filesystem |
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| 18:55.03 | hyper_ch | nitzs: they can make a copy, but modern encryption can't be hacked in a reasonable amount of time |
| 18:55.18 | hyper_ch | as long as their is no weakness discovered in how the encryption algorithm is deployed |
| 18:55.19 | Calinou | its benefit is still somehow questionable IMO - what if your laptop does not get stolen? |
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| 18:55.28 | Arrowmaster | hyper_ch: you cant use pattern unlock and encryption at the same with with android right? |
| 18:55.58 | hyper_ch | Arrowmaster: no, it will prompt the terminal to enter password |
| 18:56.08 | Calinou | this is offtopic anyway; discussion end |
| 18:56.13 | Calinou | Iamonthissong, maybe PAE is causing issues? |
| 18:56.21 | Calinou | PAE caused me issues with proprietary nvidia driver on ubuntu 11.10 |
| 18:56.39 | hyper_ch | Arrowmaster: https://support.google.com/ics/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2381815 |
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| 18:58.00 | Iamonthissong | Calinou: well, i am not sure if PAE enabled, as i have only 2GB of RAM. and i forget to say that, but before reboot i had normal resolution. |
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| 18:59.01 | Calinou | 2GB RAM + PAE is pointless |
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| 18:59.12 | Calinou | Iamonthissong, can you even change the resolution? |
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| 19:00.22 | raptor67682 | do you know a way to do voice recognition with debian ? |
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| 19:00.51 | nitzs | Iamonthissong: what did you do before the last reboot? |
| 19:01.25 | phogg | raptor67682: there are not many good options for linux |
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| 19:03.32 | hyper_ch | Calinou: do you know how to get the tasksel entry "standard system utilities" again when you run tasksel after installation? |
| 19:03.38 | Iamonthissong | @Calinou also think so, however i get it while upgrading from stable with image-686, afair. no, xrandr output - http://paste.debian.net/178107/ . nitzs, well, i haven't changed any graphic settings before reboot. i changed kdm splash screen and got problem with non-existing kdm theme, but avoided that by creating symlink to existing theme |
| 19:03.48 | nitzs | Iamonthissong: Googling around, I found that deleting your ~/.xinitrc will probably work. |
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| 19:05.03 | Iamonthissong | nitzs: mv: cannot stat `/home/username/.xinitrc': No such file or directory |
| 19:05.16 | jagginess | anyone here knows where all the terminals are listed? (/usr/share/terminfo shows-- but nowhere for TERM=linux , i see "linux-vt" but no "linux") |
| 19:05.36 | tharkun | jagginess: ps aux |
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| 19:06.10 | Calinou | hyper_ch, ...what? |
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| 19:06.38 | nitzs | Iamonthissong: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80177 |
| 19:06.51 | hyper_ch | Calinou: when you install debian from netinst cd, at the end you get tasksel where you can select a few things... last option there is "standard system utilities".... however when you run tasksel later on, that option isn't there anymore |
| 19:07.40 | gotmynick | jagginess, see /etc/terminfo/README (or /lib/terminfo/l/linux) |
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| 19:08.33 | Calinou | hyper_ch, huh? why? are you requesting help, or are you pointing out something? |
| 19:08.37 | Calinou | doesn't get it |
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| 19:09.37 | hyper_ch | Calinou: I debootstrapped debian into a chroot environment, so I didn't get that tasksel run upon "install" and I'm missing all those standard system utilities and I wanted to re-add them with running tasksel... but that option isn't there anymore |
| 19:09.43 | break19 | is there a quick n dirty way to install -devel for all installed packages? |
| 19:09.45 | tremon | http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
| 19:09.56 | jagginess | gotmynick, i'm using 6.0.5 (i386) here and i dont have /lib/terminfo/l/linux , I can have TERM=linux and mc doesnt complain |
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| 19:10.04 | Calinou | don't know, hyper_ch |
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| 19:10.14 | Calinou | break19, why? |
| 19:10.17 | tremon | hyper_ch: ^ |
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| 19:10.28 | hyper_ch | tremon: thx |
| 19:10.29 | jagginess | gotmynick, true true.. i have that.. |
| 19:10.48 | jagginess | gotmynick, (/lib/terminfo + /usr/share/terminfo .. 2 locations cool) |
| 19:11.00 | hyper_ch | now I need to find on how to make my RasPi actually bootable :) |
| 19:11.09 | gotmynick | jagginess, dg -S says it's from the package ncurses-base |
| 19:11.18 | gotmynick | s/dg/dpkg/ |
| 19:11.26 | break19 | Calinou: so I dont have to bother with doing it individually. diskspace isn't exactly at a premium for me.. I chose debian because it installs only what I want, and I just want a tiny little linux distro on vbox that I can use as a buildbot for openwrt :P |
| 19:12.10 | break19 | I would build openwrt on my bsd box, but last time I tried that it was a serious pain in the rumpus.. too many linuxisms in the build script. |
| 19:12.10 | jagginess | gotmynick, yeah.. that can be bad.. it should be under 1 package imho along with /usr/share/terminfo |
| 19:12.22 | Calinou | openwrt ._. |
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| 19:13.41 | Iamonthissong | Calinou: uhm. if i will install it, i'll got that packages removed - http://paste.debian.net/178110 . |
| 19:14.34 | jagginess | gotmynick, would you happen to know the best color one for putty? (i think probably xterm-color) |
| 19:14.50 | Calinou | "gnome-shell" < huh? |
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| 19:15.33 | raptor67682 | phogg: what about simon for kde? |
| 19:15.48 | AliceNine | how do i set a entry in the grub menu as default. my system automaticlly starts debian linux xen, but should start debian linux xen with xen 4.0 |
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| 19:15.50 | gotmynick | jagginess, sorry, I left windows around w2k3 and don't remember anything about putty, sorry |
| 19:16.19 | Iamonthissong | Calinou: "graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. i've mentioned before that i am sorry for posting asking for help about wheezy configuration |
| 19:16.25 | jagginess | gotmynick, putty is also on linux |
| 19:16.29 | nitzs | AliceNine: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:16.37 | Calinou | I know what's gnome-shell but why would installing openwrt remove it? |
| 19:16.40 | Calinou | it has nothing to do |
| 19:16.46 | AliceNine | nitzs: what do i have to change there? |
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| 19:17.00 | jagginess | gotmynick, or ssh command (remote shell) |
| 19:17.02 | jagginess | nm |
| 19:17.08 | gotmynick | jagginess, anyway, I do not use it, years ago, no clue about colors on it, sorry |
| 19:17.09 | jagginess | gotmynick, thanks for the /lib/terminfo |
| 19:17.42 | nitzs | AliceNine: the set default="x" line |
| 19:18.41 | AliceNine | so change just "set default="0" to the number where the xen kernel stands? |
| 19:18.42 | nitzs | Iamonthissong: did you remove the intel driver by any chance? |
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| 19:18.58 | nitzs | AliceNine: yes |
| 19:19.00 | useless-eater | AliceNine: 0 for first menu entry 1 for second etc |
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| 19:24.04 | Iamonthissong | nitzs: well, i see in dpkg -l " xserver-xorg-video-intel". also i see in Xorg.0.log "LoadModule: "intel". however, i see strins starting with "VESA(0)", which probably means, that i am using vesa instead of intel. |
| 19:24.12 | Iamonthissong | *strings |
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| 19:25.47 | oish_ | waves |
| 19:25.52 | AliceNine | just one problem left, i have configured eth0 as inet static and xenbride as inet manual, but a xen guest doesen't get acces to geht network |
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| 19:26.13 | Calinou | waves back at oish_ |
| 19:26.32 | Calinou | Iamonthissong, have you looked in xorg.conf? |
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| 19:28.13 | l1t | can a site have an ssl cert but not provide encryption? |
| 19:28.31 | l1t | self-signed or not |
| 19:28.46 | Iamonthissong | Calinou: uhm. probably problem is in it. i haven't got neither xorg.conf nor compliant xorg.conf.d file |
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| 19:29.10 | Iamonthissong | Calinou: thanks |
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| 19:29.19 | Calinou | no problem |
| 19:29.24 | Calinou | isn't a linux expert at all, though |
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| 19:30.39 | FM_ | Im looking for imran-uk |
| 19:30.47 | FM_ | does anybody know where I can find him? |
| 19:31.00 | FM_ | I have a front mission question for him |
| 19:31.02 | FM_ | thank you |
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| 19:34.15 | initself | if i'm getting 4.5MB/s transfer rate on Gigabit, isn't that very slow? |
| 19:34.20 | oish_ | l1t: yes, depending on what you mean i.e. if apache or nginx was set up to serve both http and https for a domain |
| 19:34.58 | AliceNine | must i use the bridged networking for xen? |
| 19:35.19 | AliceNine | must i use the bridged networking for xen? |
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| 19:37.59 | Calinou | initself, "gigabit" is a theorical speed... |
| 19:38.07 | Calinou | http://speedtest.net < you can test your actual bandwidth here |
| 19:38.17 | Calinou | it depends on your ISP and where you and the server are located |
| 19:38.29 | Calinou | 4.5 megabytes is very fast, too (in download) |
| 19:38.32 | Calinou | :P |
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| 19:41.01 | initself | Calinou: i'm talking between servers |
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| 19:41.21 | initself | right now i've got two GB NAS machines hooked up with a one cable between them |
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| 19:41.45 | initself | i would think the transfer speed over rsync would be faster than 5MB/s |
| 19:42.05 | initself | maybe the kernel isn't using GB drivers? |
| 19:42.12 | initself | how can i check? |
| 19:42.17 | tharkun | initself: how do you meassured your speed? |
| 19:42.20 | flash__ | or rsync compression? |
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| 19:42.25 | flyback | here goes the power |
| 19:42.26 | Iamonthissong | Calinou: unfortunely Xorg -configure didn't worked - http://paste.debian.net/178113/ |
| 19:42.30 | initself | I'm just looking at the --verbose output of rsync |
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| 19:44.47 | tharkun | initself: take a look at iperf |
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| 19:52.14 | tharkun | initself: IIRC there is also an iftop that can help you out |
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| 20:03.27 | initself | when i take down my network with ifdown eth0, when i bring it back up, it does't come back up |
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| 20:03.36 | initself | rebooting solves the problem |
| 20:03.41 | initself | what i am doing wrong? |
| 20:05.06 | initself | hrm |
| 20:05.11 | initself | looks like i have bigger problems |
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| 20:08.18 | nickprzemo | I builded my kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image but can this be done as non-root? it complained it can not chmod some files |
| 20:08.37 | ambro718 | It seems X.Y.ZrcN is not working quite right. Should there be an underscore or something? |
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| 20:20.46 | paranoiak | french ? |
| 20:21.45 | paranoiak | nobody talks here ? |
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| 20:22.44 | dvs | non |
| 20:22.52 | paranoiak | c bien triste |
| 20:22.57 | initself | with iperf, i got 625 Mbits/sec |
| 20:22.59 | useless-eater | debian never fails, so nothing to talk about |
| 20:23.05 | dvs | heh |
| 20:23.07 | paranoiak | ;-) |
| 20:23.07 | initself | rsync reports 5.21MB/s |
| 20:23.14 | initself | are those values comparable? |
| 20:23.23 | peterrooney | !fr |
| 20:23.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 20:23.53 | peterrooney | paranoiak: wait until Sunday. People will talk. |
| 20:24.12 | dvs | !sing sunday |
| 20:24.12 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 20:25.36 | initself | 625 Mbits/sec should be 78,13 MB/s |
| 20:25.49 | initself | yet rsync reports 5.21 MB/s ? |
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| 20:26.44 | initself | tries scp. |
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| 20:28.01 | initself | scp is about the same! |
| 20:29.08 | ix | initself: if you're able to install packages on both machines, you might consider testing with iperf |
| 20:29.15 | initself | i just did |
| 20:29.22 | initself | 13:22 < initself> with iperf, i got 625 Mbits/sec |
| 20:29.23 | ix | *facepalm* |
| 20:29.31 | initself | any ideas there? |
| 20:29.31 | ix | I saw it as I pressed the enter key |
| 20:29.34 | ix | soz |
| 20:29.38 | BenNZ | initself: does iperf use ssh like rsync and scp ? |
| 20:29.42 | initself | no |
| 20:29.50 | initself | is encryption slowing me down? |
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| 20:30.03 | BenNZ | initself: looks like it |
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| 20:33.12 | tigrang | Hi, I'm on Debian 6 and I'm trying to install php5.4 from sid unstable. I added several variations in /etc/apt/sources.list but the latest php package is 5.3.3. What does the deb line have to look like so I can get packages from sid unstable? Thank you |
| 20:33.35 | jparkton | why not build it from source? |
| 20:33.48 | jparkton | or you can backport it if the version is there |
| 20:33.49 | nyuszika7h | Hi, is it possible to install a package locally with aptitude download and dpkg? |
| 20:33.51 | pparadis | tigrang: you cannot mix releases like that. |
| 20:34.01 | craigevil | !ssb |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:34.02 | nyuszika7h | If not, how can I extract a deb archive? |
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| 20:34.43 | jparkton | nyuszika7h do you have the deb downloaded? |
| 20:34.49 | nyuszika7h | Yes |
| 20:35.13 | jparkton | just click on it twice it should open the package installer |
| 20:35.16 | pparadis | no |
| 20:35.16 | tigrang | Ok thanks |
| 20:35.18 | pparadis | do not do that |
| 20:35.22 | jparkton | oh |
| 20:35.23 | pparadis | jparkton: you know better than that. |
| 20:35.36 | jparkton | nu uh |
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| 20:35.51 | jparkton | school me cause that is what I do usually unless I build it |
| 20:35.56 | pparadis | tigrang: please read the above information again on ssb. |
| 20:36.04 | pparadis | !tell tigrang about ssb |
| 20:36.23 | tigrang | pparadis, yea I did, that's what I'm trying now. Thank you |
| 20:36.41 | pparadis | if you mix releases like were trying to do earlier, you will wind up with a very broken system. you're welcome. |
| 20:36.42 | jparkton | pparadis I was saying that to nyuszika7h |
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| 20:36.59 | nyuszika7h | jparkton, headless |
| 20:37.09 | tigrang | oh |
| 20:37.11 | jparkton | is headless? |
| 20:37.14 | nyuszika7h | jparkton: No |
| 20:37.15 | nyuszika7h | Headless machine |
| 20:37.17 | nyuszika7h | No X11 |
| 20:37.19 | jparkton | oh |
| 20:37.24 | jparkton | ohhh |
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| 20:37.25 | pparadis | jparkton: i know, and it was terrible advice. |
| 20:37.33 | jparkton | I sorry |
| 20:37.36 | craigevil | nyuszika7h, if it is a package from the repo aptitude will know its downloaded, if it is some random deb dpkg -i |
| 20:37.51 | nyuszika7h | Yes I know but is it possible to install to $HOME or do I need to build from source for that? |
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| 20:37.57 | nyuszika7h | I have root just curious. |
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| 20:42.13 | jalt | Hi. With apt-get on squeeze i386 I´m trying to get the URLs of already installed packages. Sadly, --print-uris does not work with --reinstall, apparently by design. Any tips? I would like to avoid aptitude. |
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| 20:45.30 | flash__ | jalt, "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 20:45.50 | flash__ | filter with "|grep installed" or whatever the string is if y'like |
| 20:46.49 | flash__ | you can backup your installs with that and on a new machine; "--set-selections" and pipe to it. |
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| 20:47.30 | jparkton | jalt I don't understand what you mean |
| 20:48.03 | jparkton | didnt even know that was possible |
| 20:48.38 | jparkton | I learn a lot in here though so not too surprised |
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| 20:49.13 | jalt | hmm, actually i have a fixed set of packages i want to install on a seperate computer, so the --get-selections would not work. my current command-line (in a script) is something like ´apt-get install $mylist --reinstall --print-uris -qq > list.txt |
| 20:51.04 | jalt | pc1: has internet, has some of the packages i need already installed. pc2: has no internet and default minimal install. i want to downlad the packages on pc1 and transfer them by sneakernet to pc2. i have it all automated except the actual downloading of all the packages i need on pc1. |
| 20:52.29 | jparkton | so wouldnt the URLs be useless if it has no internet? |
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| 20:52.45 | jalt | no, they are d/l in pc1 with wget |
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| 20:53.24 | blubberdiblub | you could simply take them from the apt cache directory |
| 20:53.37 | jalt | i can´t just use -d because then i i don´t know the exact filenames either |
| 20:53.51 | jalt | also, dependencies |
| 20:54.46 | jalt | relevant: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2002/01/msg00045.html |
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| 20:55.22 | FrustedNut | looking for some ideas, I am trying to do an encrypted install on an Acer Iconia 6120 laptop, it has no keyboard, just dual touchscreens |
| 20:55.32 | FrustedNut | I am fine in X of course, where Ican run a virtual keyboard |
| 20:55.46 | FrustedNut | but any solution for luks password prompt at boot? |
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| 20:57.24 | blubberdiblub | FrustedNut, you could make luks take the password from a file on a usb stick or sd card instead. or from a smart card |
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| 20:58.35 | FrustedNut | system has no smartcard reader, or I would do that, and I donät want to use a USB stick, etc. |
| 20:59.06 | FrustedNut | let's say I may pass through some moderately unfriendly borders, and I have to assume any data storage may be compromised |
| 20:59.24 | aguitel | why gnome 3 are too ugly ? |
| 20:59.37 | jparkton | FrustedNut + others isnt it possible to specify the passwd file in grub? |
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| 20:59.44 | jparkton | er not grub |
| 20:59.52 | adrakoa | hi |
| 20:59.59 | jelly-home | FrustedNut: plug a usb keyboard in? |
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| 21:00.01 | FrustedNut | jparkton, if someone takes a forensic image of the disc, they get the key |
| 21:00.04 | jparkton | I dunna remember but I know you can script your own startup scripts |
| 21:00.17 | FrustedNut | jelly-home, not really portable for traveling all the time |
| 21:00.29 | jelly-home | it's 300gr or less |
| 21:00.34 | nickprzemo | FrustedNut: going to the motherland of democracy, are we |
| 21:00.43 | FrustedNut | indeed :P the US |
| 21:00.43 | jparkton | FrustedNut there is a rollup usb keyboard |
| 21:00.54 | jparkton | fits in your pocket |
| 21:01.00 | jelly-home | that's my pretty excellent thinkpad usb keyboard w/ trackpoint |
| 21:01.13 | FrustedNut | yeah, rollup might be a good option |
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| 21:01.23 | nickprzemo | FrustedNut: there are descriptions how to do whatever stuff at that stage - e.g. even input LUKS pass via ssh/sshd server. By adding temporary sshd program to initrd. something like this could work |
| 21:01.24 | FrustedNut | I will have to see if I can get one at the local tech store |
| 21:01.35 | pparadis | FrustedNut: about the forensic image bit, that's not how that works. |
| 21:01.52 | pparadis | FrustedNut: making an image of an encrypted disk will give them an image of an encrypted disk. |
| 21:01.56 | pparadis | not the key. |
| 21:02.07 | FrustedNut | if the boot partition, on that disk, has the key, they get the key |
| 21:02.12 | FrustedNut | as well as the encrypted disk |
| 21:02.15 | pparadis | FrustedNut: that's not how this works. |
| 21:02.21 | FrustedNut | but a sshd approach, I like that |
| 21:02.21 | jelly-home | FrustedNut: put the _key_ on an usb stick :-) |
| 21:02.31 | jparkton | or a key fob |
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| 21:02.35 | jalt | you can build a HID usb keyboard preset with your key. costs 8$. http://www.codemercs.com/37/?L=1 |
| 21:02.36 | FrustedNut | not going to work when they take all my tech at the border to search |
| 21:02.37 | FrustedNut | ÖP |
| 21:02.44 | FrustedNut | hmm, but the SSH idea |
| 21:02.47 | FrustedNut | that, that might work |
| 21:02.49 | nickprzemo | FrustedNut: put to initrd some stuff that reads pass.. maybe even gpm (console mouse) + some console mouse keyboard emulator? |
| 21:03.03 | FrustedNut | if I can get a Ppersonal network running at a LOW level |
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| 21:03.08 | FrustedNut | before most of my system comes up |
| 21:03.14 | jalt | a simpler solution is not to do full disk encryption but only data/home partitions, etc |
| 21:03.16 | FrustedNut | and then unlock it via ssh from my phone' |
| 21:03.26 | FrustedNut | that was my failback option |
| 21:03.34 | nickprzemo | FrustedNut: also. you should have /boot on removable stick on you at all times, if you are considered someone might override /boot .. but then again you should also have sealed PC.. depends on level needed |
| 21:03.35 | jparkton | if you have a droid there is connect ssh |
| 21:03.37 | pparadis | i really think the solution of plugging in a mini USB keyboard is the best option here. i mean man, these things can be really small --> http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/linitx.com/products/USB_Tiny_Thumbpad_Keyboard_main.jpg |
| 21:03.56 | nickprzemo | jalt: very not secure solution. /tmp/ leaks for one |
| 21:04.16 | nickprzemo | I would go with USD keyboard here. |
| 21:04.16 | jparkton | well that keyboard is kinda amazing |
| 21:04.22 | nickprzemo | USB |
| 21:04.29 | jalt | mount /tmp and swap on encrypted partition and only actually mount after the system is up |
| 21:04.37 | nickprzemo | * initial ramdisk, not initrd |
| 21:04.45 | nickprzemo | and initramdisk I would use for more pro stuff |
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| 21:09.51 | FrustedNut | I will take the SSH option |
| 21:10.03 | FrustedNut | I'm already pulling the full source tree to my machine |
| 21:10.28 | FrustedNut | I know I have a kernel-only static linked build package somewhere |
| 21:10.58 | FrustedNut | the trick will be getting wireless up, with an AP and a key I can use to connect from my other devices |
| 21:11.08 | FrustedNut | then just enter the passphrase from them :) |
| 21:11.21 | FrustedNut | andI will try to get a folding or rollup keyboard as the fallback option |
| 21:11.40 | FrustedNut | bluetooth is not an option for obvious reasons |
| 21:13.30 | jalt | if someone images the disk will get the PSK and/or radius crednetials to your other system |
| 21:13.53 | FrustedNut | oh, that I have covered :)' |
| 21:14.08 | FrustedNut | I do happen to have RSA SecureID knockoffs at my disposal |
| 21:14.19 | FrustedNut | sequential one+time+keys |
| 21:14.27 | ciem | hi, did someone manage to actually install a debian onto a pendrive from windows? |
| 21:14.30 | FrustedNut | works great with enterprise WPA2 |
| 21:14.53 | jparkton | ciem I am sure someone has yes |
| 21:14.57 | FrustedNut | ciem, I've done that before, wasn't too hard, but I did use virtualbox in the middle |
| 21:15.06 | jalt | not sure if i follow. how can you use the tokens on the tablet? |
| 21:15.20 | FrustedNut | I mounted the usb flashdrive as a hard disk into virtualbox, that and the debian netinst cd, and then just installed to it |
| 21:15.26 | FrustedNut | then, viola, bootable flashdrive |
| 21:15.51 | ciem | FrustedNut thanks, I haven't thought about it this way |
| 21:16.10 | FrustedNut | jalt, hardware token plugged into the internal USB port on the laptop, and I have a software version set with the same seed on the phone |
| 21:16.36 | jalt | gotcha |
| 21:16.36 | FrustedNut | if they take the tokens, fine, but they will get desynced if they try to use them, and I will notice the change in sequence |
| 21:17.34 | FrustedNut | I can probably script the reading from them and setting up the wireless, etc. to just happen automatically |
| 21:17.47 | jalt | does the tablet have any sort of keyb-emulated buttons? my fujitsu q550 does, about 4 or 5 in total. with some effrot you could change the input part of luks to accept a very long sequence of specific keypresses |
| 21:18.10 | jalt | but that´s a bit farfecthed |
| 21:18.14 | FrustedNut | it does in BIOS or "dos-mode", the bottom monitor is a basic keyboard |
| 21:18.22 | FrustedNut | but as soon as grub loads, that goes away |
| 21:18.35 | aguitel | why gnome 3 are too ugly ? |
| 21:18.40 | FrustedNut | it seems to initialize the graphics card before it even counts down |
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| 21:18.59 | FrustedNut | soon as it loads, the keyboard goes away |
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| 21:20.25 | jparkton | because the gnome community is desperately trying to "Keep up with the Joneses(Windows team)" |
| 21:21.03 | FrustedNut | wonders, is "mint" a naughty word in here? |
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| 21:21.08 | FrustedNut | :P |
| 21:21.17 | jparkton | lol |
| 21:21.23 | dax | FrustedNut: if you're using it and want support, yes :P |
| 21:21.24 | jparkton | oops |
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| 21:21.27 | pparadis | FrustedNut: i love delicious mints. especially peppermints. |
| 21:21.29 | jparkton | sorry I was being off topic |
| 21:21.37 | scientes | how do i query a reverse build depends? |
| 21:21.41 | break19 | i love gold mints :) |
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| 21:22.25 | FrustedNut | dax, ughh, wouldnät touch the ubuntu version, period, but the debian, other then some things being in /usr/share when they shouldn't be, isn't tooo bad from what I've seen, and mate sounds interesting, gnome2 fork that is being maintained |
| 21:22.30 | jparkton | gold mints? |
| 21:22.37 | jparkton | man you rich folks will eat anything |
| 21:22.52 | dax | FrustedNut: I haven't tried them. They're still offtopic for #debian, though :P |
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| 21:23.33 | FrustedNut | yeah, but at least there is a debain-based version, a lot of people at my office are using it |
| 21:23.49 | FrustedNut | even uses the debian testing repo |
| 21:23.53 | ompaul | FrustedNut: it is still offtopic |
| 21:24.16 | FrustedNut | nods, goes back to his sourcetree |
| 21:24.19 | ompaul | they modify debian or it would be called debian - what they modify nobody cares |
| 21:25.24 | syslq | Ubuntu people call it debian here, they insist on it |
| 21:25.33 | ompaul | and they too are wrong |
| 21:25.44 | scientes | how do i list the package name of a reverse build depends? |
| 21:25.51 | scientes | aptitude does it for regular reverse depends just fine |
| 21:27.49 | ompaul | apt-cache rdepends foo tells all does it not as I think you will find your aptitude will too - if you want to do all the sub trees I guess you could xargs and do some more rdpends I guess |
| 21:28.06 | ompaul | seems a tad recursive |
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| 21:28.26 | scientes | ompaul, rdepends is install dependancies, not build dependancies |
| 21:28.28 | syslq | ompaul: yes they are |
| 21:29.20 | ompaul | scientes: I guess you got to apt-cache show then |
| 21:29.37 | ompaul | scientes: at the end of the day you are going to have one long recursive list |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | looks in |
| 21:29.56 | scientes | ubuntu-dev-tools has a rever-depends which does build-depends |
| 21:30.00 | ompaul | abrotman: please do and if I'm wrong on my last count please slap me and point the nice people in the other directions |
| 21:30.02 | scientes | but there should be a debian tool somewhere |
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| 21:32.41 | ompaul | scientes: you have an itch ... please feel free to scratch it http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation that seems to say things you might be interested in |
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| 21:35.11 | scientes | mainly I was wondering what the policy is on putting a version in the -dev package |
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| 21:35.26 | scientes | like libfoo3-dev vs libfoo-dev |
| 21:35.41 | scientes | and it seemslike there isn't one |
| 21:35.54 | scientes | i'm setting my package to be libfoo-dev and provide: libfoo3-dev |
| 21:36.04 | scientes | so its a choice on the other end |
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| 22:03.34 | aleminio | damn linux is so annoying, why there are so many permissions... chmod... gchgrp....chown.... |
| 22:03.47 | abrotman | it's not DOS? |
| 22:04.01 | Tanguero | is this the right place to ask about configuring dhcpd in debian? |
| 22:04.06 | abrotman | Tanguero: yes |
| 22:04.54 | dondelelcaro | aleminio: there's even more permissions than that if you use acls, actually... |
| 22:05.30 | simonlnu | it's not hard, really |
| 22:06.15 | aleminio | I just needed to allow uploadings to a folder using vsftpd, i edit the conf file to even enable anon writing but why do i even have to do that if i won't be able to write anything without setting the permission of the folder on the first place |
| 22:06.19 | Tanguero | in short: I'm trying to have one client use a spesific IP(solved) but also a different gateway (using option routers on host doesn't seem to work) |
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| 22:09.49 | ab12cd | hi need some help with comparing two files consisting of numbers |
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| 22:10.23 | nkuttler | ab12cd: can you be more specific? |
| 22:10.24 | fbh | ab12cd: look at cat, sort, uniq and diff |
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| 22:10.45 | morel | ab12cd: also consider #bash… |
| 22:10.47 | Dmitrijus | looks at a cat |
| 22:10.48 | ab12cd | nkuttler: looking uniq |
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| 22:11.11 | nkuttler | looks at an r2d2 |
| 22:11.17 | ab12cd | comm seems to be good too |
| 22:11.32 | fbh | looks at the beer can.. it's empty.. damn it |
| 22:11.35 | Tanguero | is this where I need to use class by spesific mac as well as shared subnet and add host inside that pool definition, but outside range? |
| 22:11.39 | pparadis | ab12cd: if your comparison needs are more complex, you might also consider perl or python. but yeah, could you please be more specific? also, this doesn't (at first glance) appear to be a debian-specific question. |
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| 22:11.52 | pparadis | fbh: it's obviously defective. you must replace it. |
| 22:12.12 | morel | looks at the bear.. it's mad.. damn it |
| 22:12.13 | fbh | pparadis: Will s/empty beer can/full beer can/ work? |
| 22:12.24 | ab12cd | pparadis: yes, but i can't write in #linux |
| 22:12.43 | nkuttler | thinks he should taste bear at least once |
| 22:12.47 | pparadis | fbh: yes, but only if you run that regex via /usr/bin/fridge |
| 22:13.16 | metasansana | hey guys |
| 22:13.17 | metasansana | where can I get the md5/sha hashes for the downloads? |
| 22:13.23 | fbh | nkuttler: http://cloudho.st/r/82bfaeecd8987cda05ca3a.jpg :) |
| 22:13.25 | pparadis | ab12cd: do you mean you've already consulted that channel and were told it was not topical? |
| 22:13.31 | fbh | metasansana: md5sum filename.ext |
| 22:13.43 | pparadis | ab12cd: really, could you please tell us what you're trying to do? |
| 22:13.46 | fbh | metasansana: and sha1sum if that's what you want |
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| 22:14.03 | simonlnu | probably means the sums files on the mirrors |
| 22:14.06 | useless-eater | how to install moonlight on wheezy? I know, sucks, but business where I work bought a program where silverlight is needed. :\ |
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| 22:14.25 | pparadis | useless-eater: isn't microsoft killing silverlight? |
| 22:14.29 | fbh | metasansana: Oh, you mean what they are supposed to be and not how to find out what they are on the files you downloaded? |
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| 22:14.43 | fbh | pparadis: Fortunately, yes. |
| 22:15.21 | Arrowmaster | useless-eater: i thought the package name was moonlight but i dont see it, but do you know what version of silverlight the program is written for? |
| 22:15.29 | ciem | well, maybe they'll focus on some important things now :) |
| 22:15.33 | ab12cd | i am trying to do the follwoing : make a cron job file that will output something alternately to file1 and file2, so if it writes to file1 first time, then second time it must to file2, later again to file1 etc. |
| 22:15.57 | fbh | ab12cd: What does that have to do with comparing files? |
| 22:16.11 | Arrowmaster | useless-eater: i think silverlight is upto at least version 4 but moonlight barely worked with version 2 stuff and not at all with anything newer |
| 22:16.12 | ab12cd | fbh: later i have to compare the files (you can ignore it in this part) |
| 22:16.21 | metasansana | fbh yes the expected ones |
| 22:16.25 | nkuttler | useless-eater: it's not packaged, /msg dpkg moonlight |
| 22:16.37 | ab12cd | fbh: basically this is what i am trying to do |
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| 22:17.11 | ab12cd | fbh: i check for some program that will output a set of numbers (sorted), i want to check every 1 hr if a new number got added |
| 22:17.14 | useless-eater | pparadis, Arrowmaster: no, I dont know. never used silverlight, and hoped I never had to. heard rumors that ms will kill it off.. but not sure when. |
| 22:17.26 | fbh | metasansana: Check the MD5SUMS file on the mirror. e.g. http://mirror.dotsrc.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-dvd/MD5SUMS |
| 22:17.27 | jparkton | whats the name of the graphics driver installer in debian? |
| 22:17.35 | useless-eater | any other repos with it packaged thats good? |
| 22:17.48 | metasansana | fbh lovely thanks! |
| 22:17.50 | pparadis | ab12cd: "wc -l" will give you a line count in a file. |
| 22:17.56 | Arrowmaster | its probably on the archive |
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| 22:18.16 | fbh | ab12cd: Yeah if you just need to check for new lines I'd go with wc, and probably a file somewhere to cache the last count in. |
| 22:18.22 | pparadis | ab12cd: this is really starting to sound like something you want to deal with via bash scripting or perl. |
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| 22:18.45 | ab12cd | ab12cd: bash should suffice, is there a separate channel for it ? |
| 22:19.05 | ab12cd | found it |
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| 22:19.36 | pparadis | ab12cd: i would advise you to try to put together a solution before asking for help there (really, anywhere), in other words don't just ask them to write it for you. |
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| 22:20.47 | ab12cd | pparadis: tried that |
| 22:21.11 | ab12cd | anyway i am going to #bash and seeing |
| 22:21.13 | spacebug- | Hello, trying out the raspberry pi-iso. Now I'm left with to little free space on root. Can I copy /usr ro another partition I made and make a link and setup /etc/fstab or are things in /usr needed already at boot (before setting up things in /etc/fstab) ? |
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| 22:22.22 | pparadis | spacebug-: /usr can go on its own partition, sure. |
| 22:23.15 | pparadis | spacebug-: do you already have separate partitions for things like / and /home? |
| 22:23.32 | pparadis | spacebug-: for many setups, it makes more sense to simply go with a single / partition. |
| 22:24.02 | jalt | If anyone cares, I found a solution to the retarded behavior by apt-get regarding --reinstall --print-uris. Just pass as an option a new folder for package cache (-o Dir::Cache:Archives=/tmp). Thus all packages will be ´new´ and --print-uris will work as expected. |
| 22:25.01 | initself | it's frustrating watching 100MB speeds with rsync over a GB network connection |
| 22:25.12 | initself | 5.00MB/s |
| 22:25.43 | initself | it's about 11MB/s over NFS |
| 22:25.56 | initself | but still, that seems like nothing compared to what it should be! |
| 22:27.06 | pparadis | initself: are you saying yiou're seeing 5 megabytes per second? |
| 22:27.19 | spacebug- | pparadis: ok tnx. Thing is that the iso made the SD-card as it is, so I can do either as I did and make another partition from the free space or somehow make the existing partition bigger without loosing the data already on it |
| 22:29.08 | pparadis | spacebug-: you can increase the size of ext2/3/4 filesystems without losing data (always make backups first anyhow). |
| 22:29.36 | initself | pparadis: yes |
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| 22:30.01 | pparadis | spacebug-: if you increase the size of the partition (using parted or whatever), you can use resize2fs without any arguments aside from /dev/sda[x] to use the available space. |
| 22:30.07 | initself | ethtool eth0 shows 1000Mb/s |
| 22:31.02 | jalt | halt your transfer and setup tshark/wireshark/tcpdump in promiscuous mode on both ends and see what´s going on in the network |
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| 22:31.15 | spacebug- | ah ok tnx pparadis |
| 22:31.17 | pparadis | initself: that's about 40 megabits per second. there is some overhead for rsync and ssh (i assume it's going over ssh), but that does seem slow. are you sure you're not routing through another device that is going much slower? |
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| 22:31.36 | initself | i've tried even a direct connect |
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| 22:31.49 | jalt | also, check cable lengths and if they are indeed CAT6 for gigabit (or CAT5E in some cases will do) |
| 22:31.56 | pparadis | nod |
| 22:32.17 | jalt | note that for CAT6 you need ¨special¨ connects too, not just the cable |
| 22:32.31 | jalt | just in case it was a homemade cable |
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| 22:32.48 | pparadis | i do GigE just fine with CAT5e, but yeah on your last. |
| 22:33.49 | jalt | anything below 80Mib/s on 100TX Ethernet accoutning for overhead means something is amiss |
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| 22:35.09 | pparadis | initself: if transfers over NFS go at 100 megabytes per second (about 800 megabits per second) between the same exact machines, please see this --> http://serverfault.com/questions/146377/why-is-my-rsync-so-slow-compared-to-pure-cp-or-even-scp |
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| 22:36.14 | pparadis | initself: note that the last link involves transfers to/from an smb share wtih rsync, but the core info is still probably relevant. |
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| 22:37.25 | pparadis | initself: there's also this --> http://serverfault.com/questions/377598/why-is-my-rsync-so-slow |
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| 22:38.20 | ompaul | rsync windows needs special treatment |
| 22:38.37 | ompaul | something to do with the way they date files |
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| 22:54.37 | Ariii | Hi! I downnloaded the netinstall and it won't let me switch tty's using the key combination. Is there any way I can set the tty's up on it? |
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| 23:03.13 | initself | pparadis: i don't know, i read both those urls but they seem short on solutions |
| 23:03.18 | useless-eater | Ariii: like /etc/inittab ? what key combo are you using? |
| 23:03.54 | ompaul | Ariii: they shodul be there - ctrl alt F1 to ctrl alt F6 should provide a few terminals |
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| 23:04.06 | ompaul | Ariii: 1 is the install screen |
| 23:05.08 | Ariii | I'm using Control-Option-F1. I'm able (From FVWM) to switch to different screen also, but it is just complete blackness with a blinking cursor in the upper-left corner. |
| 23:05.41 | ompaul | Arrowmaster: so you have done an install - CTRL ALT F2 |
| 23:05.55 | flyback | bbl |
| 23:06.03 | ompaul | Ariii: why option - is this a an apple keyboard |
| 23:06.39 | Ariii | Oh, I meant -option, sorry. |
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| 23:07.54 | ompaul | so I ask the same question - and that function key whatever image it is supposed to show fails on my screen |
| 23:07.56 | ompaul | Ariii: why option - is this a an apple keyboard |
| 23:08.10 | Ariii | I don't have anything like SLiM, I boot from the command-line and it doesn't respond to the key combination. |
| 23:08.47 | Ariii | Oh, I'm running out of power, sorry! |
| 23:08.54 | ompaul | you have not responded to my question, you have not told me if there is something special about your keyboard |
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| 23:09.28 | ompaul | how convenient / inconvenient |
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| 23:13.13 | nickprzemo | does Debian have plan to handle the stupid UEFI bullshit? |
| 23:13.27 | nickprzemo | (computers bootable only by microsoft signed systems) |
| 23:13.36 | dondelelcaro | nickprzemo: there are discussions on going about it |
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| 23:13.46 | dondelelcaro | nickprzemo: we haven't decided precisely what we're going to do, though |
| 23:14.02 | dondelelcaro | (you can see them on lists.debian.org/debian-devel/) |
| 23:14.04 | nickprzemo | dondelelcaro: I guess debian is anyway for smart people first, so they will be able to disable UEFI |
| 23:14.15 | nickprzemo | or its their fault if they buy sucky hardware |
| 23:14.30 | nickprzemo | maybe turn it arond... campaign against UEFI for buyers? |
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| 23:14.44 | nickprzemo | worked with piracy bullshit in DRM in japan (according to todays slash.) |
| 23:14.54 | Ariii | Agh... sorry about that. I had to put my laptop to sleep. |
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| 23:15.43 | Ariii | And the keyboard is from an iBook Clamshell G3. |
| 23:15.59 | nickprzemo | Ariii: if you don't mind me asking private question, you are hetero-oriented man, righ |
| 23:16.02 | nickprzemo | oh. nevermind. apple. |
| 23:16.20 | nickprzemo | we where wondering if you are using some strange keyboard |
| 23:16.34 | gnarface | if i set xset -dpms what might turn it back on? |
| 23:16.38 | gnarface | would xlock turn it back on? |
| 23:17.02 | nickprzemo | gnarface: xset +dpms ? xset dpms force sleep and so on afair; check man |
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| 23:18.17 | nickprzemo | ompaul: Ariii is back if you missed it and yes that is some iKeyboard. |
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| 23:18.35 | ompaul | Ariii: I know nothing of those keyboards |
| 23:18.43 | gnarface | nickprzemo: i think you have it backwards |
| 23:19.05 | nickprzemo | gnarface: ? |
| 23:19.17 | ompaul | Ariii: when you look for help with that kind of thing - always good to say you have apple hardware |
| 23:19.21 | gnarface | nick_h: -dpms disables it, +dpms enables it, neither instantly forces it on |
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| 23:19.56 | Ariii | ompaul: Oh, I probably should've mentioned that, sorry. I haven't worked with Windows machines in a long time. |
| 23:20.01 | gnarface | nick_h: ignore me |
| 23:20.31 | gnarface | nickprzemo: maybe you misunderstand... i don't *WANT* it back on... i'm asking what programs beside xset might be turning it back on without my consent .... |
| 23:20.52 | ompaul | Ariii: nor I, but I use the intel platform for linux and have done since the nineties |
| 23:21.18 | nickprzemo | Ariii: do you think we here work on windows machines? |
| 23:21.31 | Ariii | Oh... I just pick up whatever I can find for $50 and then put Linux on it :). |
| 23:21.42 | nickprzemo | Ariii: is iPropaganda damaged your greymatter to think that "PC not locked down hardware :)" == "Windows" ?! |
| 23:22.39 | Ariii | nickprzemo: Agh... I meant non-Apple. Sorry, I sort of mis-said it. Sorry. |
| 23:22.54 | nickprzemo | Ariii: no problem |
| 23:23.25 | useless-eater | windows .. not even on virtual machines :p |
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| 23:23.51 | nickprzemo | Ariii: well a very quick solution is obviously to plug in other, USB keyboard. other then that, google keyboard name and debian to find out why ctrl+alt+F1 is not working. assuming this is your probl;em |
| 23:24.40 | nickprzemo | useless-eater: some computer games are better on windows |
| 23:25.59 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: there are a few things that could reset it. A screensaver or gnome being popular choices |
| 23:26.10 | useless-eater | nickprzemo: I avoid those too :p |
| 23:26.34 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: xlock, you think? |
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| 23:26.43 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: possibly |
| 23:27.04 | gnarface | could be wine too i guess |
| 23:27.12 | gnarface | but i can't imagine why wine (or a program i ran in it) would do that |
| 23:27.15 | gnarface | must be xlock |
| 23:27.31 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: I don't know what the default is for xlock, but it itself is capable of calling dpms |
| 23:27.45 | dantix | hi!, I've copied data from 2 server over a newone using rsync and now the data weights 6% more than originals, why? |
| 23:27.45 | gnarface | ah, found it |
| 23:27.52 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.52 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.53 | gnarface | woops |
| 23:27.55 | gnarface | good to know |
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| 23:28.50 | gnarface | dantix: other than duplicated data a common reason is that you switched filesystems to one (like ext4) that wastes 6% more space than the old one |
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| 23:30.19 | useless-eater | dantix: ls -Ra1 dir/ | wc -l |
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| 23:30.43 | nickprzemo | any idea why when buiding kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image it seems to want root permissions? are they needed? is that the correct command or better use another to build deb of kernel? |
| 23:30.59 | useless-eater | dantix: probably as gnarface sais, but you could count files to be sure with that command ^ |
| 23:31.24 | nickprzemo | install: cannot change owner and permissions of ... etc/kernel/postinst.d': Operation not permitted ? |
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| 23:31.34 | dantix | understood, I'll look for duplicates.... |
| 23:31.43 | dantix | thanks both |
| 23:32.15 | gnarface | nickprzemo: some stuff in there has to be owned by root. you can use fakeroot instead of actually being root |
| 23:33.11 | nickprzemo | gnarface: do you remember what commands to use exactly or which url tutorial is up to date? |
| 23:33.44 | nickprzemo | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image ? |
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| 23:37.20 | nsadmin | nickprzemo, depending on your config and places you might install... you might want --initrd |
| 23:37.34 | nsadmin | maybe check --targets |
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| 23:40.03 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: well I want to build a nice full kernel package. |
| 23:40.41 | nickprzemo | maybe one day I would put it to my repo something like -przemo1 as name of package |
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| 23:43.07 | nickprzemo | or rather, I want to build kernel for the system architecture on which I run the build process |
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| 23:43.55 | nsadmin | nickprzemo, version? |
| 23:44.49 | nsadmin | out of curiousity, why are the current kernels not suitable? |
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| 23:45.36 | \3TATUK | Is the unstable branch frozen when testing is, too ? |
| 23:45.44 | streuner | no |
| 23:45.51 | \3TATUK | k, cool. thx |
| 23:45.59 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: it doesnt have custom patches |
| 23:46.00 | streuner | /msg dpkg unstable |
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| 23:46.25 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: 3.2 kernel, for my debian stable. on amd64 |
| 23:46.44 | gnarface | nickprzemo: i forget sorry, something like that though, yea |
| 23:46.58 | nsadmin | nickprzemo, for each patch, what is its purpose? |
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| 23:48.47 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: it kicks ass |
| 23:49.04 | nickprzemo | by default linux is insecure as we know, and there are patches to fix this |
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| 23:49.52 | nickprzemo | one of most insane things, is that by ps or /proc you can see what other users are doing, just as mere user |
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| 23:50.24 | Morgawr | hello everyone.. I keep having this problem which still haunts me (been doing so for the last weeks). I have a 64 bit machine (amd64) which I also use to cross-compile i386 stuff so I have some i386 libraries |
| 23:50.40 | Morgawr | whenever I go using apt-get install/update/upgrade it breaks itself because it finds packages that have both archs |
| 23:50.51 | Morgawr | like gcc:amd64 and gcc:i386 and it can't upgrad |
| 23:51.01 | nsadmin | nickprzemo, how many persons have userid/passwds on your machine? |
| 23:51.11 | Morgawr | every time it breaks my apt-get upgrade (Actually it's dpkg process that breaks and can't go on), how do I fix this? |
| 23:51.13 | streuner | Morgawr: please show us your sources.list in a pastbin |
| 23:51.22 | streuner | pastebin* |
| 23:51.34 | streuner | Morgawr: /msg dpkg pastebin if needed |
| 23:51.45 | Morgawr | streuner: http://sprunge.us/FTaN |
| 23:51.58 | Morgawr | pretty straightforward |
| 23:52.03 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: enough to not ignore this weakness; also it is a proble that exploiting any root-running process allows you take full controll of the machine in default kernels |
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| 23:52.28 | jhutchins_lt | Legacy grub can use UUIDs, can't it? |
| 23:52.41 | Morgawr | http://pastebin.com/biauLvsY this is what I get when I try to do apt-get upgrade |
| 23:53.15 | streuner | Morgawr: so you trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 23:53.27 | Morgawr | no no, I already have wheezy |
| 23:53.29 | Morgawr | been using it for months |
| 23:53.30 | Ariii | I have to do a reboot. Bye! |
| 23:53.34 | Morgawr | I'm just doing update -> upgrade |
| 23:53.37 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, probably... what it can't do is have its pieces installed on whole-disk (like sda instead of sda3 for example) |
| 23:53.55 | Morgawr | update goes fine, whenever I do upgrade it finds some i386 packages that I have for both amd64 and i386 and dpkg doesn't know how to resolve them (because "ambiguous" package) and it breaks |
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| 23:54.11 | jhutchins_lt | It's a lenny server that I'm swapping drives on. |
| 23:54.13 | Morgawr | in the past I resolved it manually removing the i386 packages that created conflict, but I can't go on doing this forever, there must be a fix |
| 23:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | The DVR clone was successful. |
| 23:55.15 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: That's one of the reasons testing is still testing. |
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| 23:55.47 | jhutchins_lt | multiarch isn't finished yet. |
| 23:55.47 | Morgawr | jhutchins_lt: :/ I doubt this doesn't happen in stable |
| 23:57.47 | Morgawr | so there's no solution at all? I have my apt-get permanently broken and I can't do anything about it? |
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