| 00:01.32 | Morgawr | heh, looks like I can't use my apt-get anymore... gg |
| 00:02.08 | streuner | what kind of installer did you use, btw? |
| 00:02.22 | Morgawr | the netinst from wheezy |
| 00:02.31 | Morgawr | from a while ago.. like 6-7 months ago probably |
| 00:02.38 | Morgawr | been updating and upgrading regularly |
| 00:02.56 | streuner | well, thats one of the mistakes you are able to do, IMO |
| 00:03.09 | Morgawr | I just don't understand what the problem actually is |
| 00:03.13 | Morgawr | I mean.. why isn't it working? |
| 00:03.19 | streuner | just use stable installer and upgrade to testing then |
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| 00:03.37 | Morgawr | so yeah, reformat everything and start from scratch again? no thanks |
| 00:03.39 | streuner | i have no clue, my amd64 works just fine, even with testing |
| 00:04.13 | stew | Morgawr: it looks like you are partially upgraded to testing, and stuff is confused about multiarch |
| 00:04.27 | stew | Morgawr: what versions of dpkg and apt are installed? |
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| 00:04.47 | streuner | the sources.list sounds ok to me... |
| 00:05.10 | streuner | apart of the *wine* section |
| 00:05.40 | Morgawr | stew: the latest ones |
| 00:05.52 | streuner | tell us details |
| 00:06.01 | Morgawr | but yeah, I fixed the problem manually now... I needed to call "dpkg --configure <package>:i386" and :amd64 for each reported problem |
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| 00:06.26 | Morgawr | I was asked the same questions the other day as well when I came in here and asked this same problem, I already checked this is a normal wheezy version with all up-to-date dpkg and apt |
| 00:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: So you already know the answer and don't need our help. Why are you here again? |
| 00:06.54 | Morgawr | I just have installed both i386 and amd64 libraries, nothing special, apt and dpkg work fine but sometimes dpkg shits itself when it finds two packages with the same name but different arch |
| 00:07.06 | Morgawr | because I was looking for a solution? |
| 00:07.21 | stew | the latest ones? |
| 00:07.27 | Morgawr | I know how to "fix" the problem for individual packages, but apparently dpkg can't do it itself and maybe you guys knew why |
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| 00:08.28 | stew | Morgawr: have you checked the bts? |
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| 00:08.47 | aguitel | why gnome 3 are too ugly ? |
| 00:08.54 | Morgawr | stew: bts? |
| 00:08.55 | stew | aguitel: 7 or no |
| 00:09.08 | aguitel | what |
| 00:09.09 | streuner | Morgawr: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:09.21 | stew | aguitel: can you rephrase your question? |
| 00:09.32 | aguitel | aha |
| 00:09.37 | streuner | Morgawr: we need more details, please answer our questions |
| 00:09.59 | stew | Morgawr: for questions like "does anyone know a solution to this problem in testing/unstable" you should be looking at the bts first |
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| 00:10.28 | Morgawr | heh |
| 00:10.40 | Morgawr | I don't really understand, but whatever |
| 00:10.53 | stew | Morgawr: then ask better questions |
| 00:11.20 | gotmynick | apt-listbugs ftw |
| 00:11.32 | nsadmin | Morgawr, in order to ask better questions, you may need to gain information first |
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| 00:12.17 | nickprzemo | how to use gcc 4.5 in debian stable? backports? |
| 00:12.19 | Morgawr | I was just looking for a simple answer, looks like there wasn't any so I might as well get my hands dirty and not ask anymore questions, have a nice day :) |
| 00:12.37 | nsadmin | nickprzemo, look and see if those backports are there |
| 00:12.39 | streuner | Morgawr: no |
| 00:12.40 | nsadmin | , v gcc |
| 00:12.41 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1 |
| 00:12.55 | stew | Morgawr: you are looking in the wrong place for answers |
| 00:12.58 | streuner | Morgawr: please listen to us first |
| 00:13.05 | nickprzemo | can't we get gcc 4.5 into squeeze backports? |
| 00:13.16 | stew | Morgawr: and its really hard for us to help you find answers when you won't help us help you buy answering our questions |
| 00:13.17 | nsadmin | looks like they aren't there |
| 00:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | nickprzemo: No, it's got to be in sid before it can be backported. |
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| 00:13.49 | nickprzemo | jhutchins_lt: 4.7 is in seed |
| 00:13.50 | stew | it has to be in wheezy, which it is |
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| 00:14.10 | Morgawr | yeah, I'm looking in the wrong place for answers, this place isn't really any helpful when asking questions that aren't really related to "mainstream" problems, so yeah it's okay guys |
| 00:14.14 | Morgawr | don't worry |
| 00:14.17 | nsadmin | what has you wanting a compiler any different from the one used to compile all other squeeze packages? |
| 00:14.17 | Morgawr | I'll manage |
| 00:14.19 | nickprzemo | stew: btw does that , v gcc tool show version of squeeze-backports? |
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| 00:14.29 | jhutchins_lt | nickprzemo: Ok. Ask the backports mailing list then. |
| 00:14.49 | streuner | Morgawr: no, we arent able to help you, if you dont tell us details, again. |
| 00:15.03 | stew | nickprzemo: yes |
| 00:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | Morgawr: Believe me, we won't, but you might want to ask in #debian-next on oftc.net. |
| 00:15.30 | Morgawr | jhutchins_lt: okay, thanks :) |
| 00:15.33 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: to fix beforementioned kernel problems, and make kernel hardened, 4.5 plugins could be use to automatize some sorts of hardening, e.g. plugin to verify correctness of afair certain string operations vs buffer sizes |
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| 00:16.29 | nsadmin | use strn... instead of str... |
| 00:16.53 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: 1) tell that to Linus? 2) its more then that |
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| 00:19.46 | streuner | Morgawr: apt/dpkg changed i wheezy lately, just follow the advice from stew and look into BTS |
| 00:19.51 | streuner | IIRC |
| 00:19.55 | nickprzemo | 3.1 the 'stackleak' plugin augments a PaX feature of the same name in that it provides an estimate about how deep the current syscall used the kernel stack (so that before returning to userland the used portion can be cleared). this feature (along with a few other changes) was written in response to a particular exploit technique published earlier this year. |
| 00:20.04 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: ^ and http://lwn.net/Articles/461811/ |
| 00:21.09 | nsadmin | nickprzemo, ok... so, one thing you could do is run wheezy |
| 00:21.23 | nsadmin | which has 4.7.something |
| 00:21.29 | Morgawr | streuner: yeah, I'll go look in there, sorry if I may have been a bit bitter, but this problem really seemed like something so simple to fix and yet nobody was really able to help me (not today, I didn't really give any info today, but I did ask a few days back) |
| 00:21.44 | Morgawr | I'll look in bts and will do a full system upgrade (again) and see if this solves any issues |
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| 00:24.01 | stew | running wheezy in order to get better security is not wise |
| 00:24.15 | dvs | it's an oxymoron |
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| 00:24.41 | nsadmin | stew, agreed... but what else can he do? what he's proposing is unwise too |
| 00:25.24 | Morgawr | can't you manually compile gcc 4.7? |
| 00:25.43 | streuner | sure, but its hard, IMO |
| 00:25.51 | Morgawr | configure && make && sudo make install |
| 00:25.53 | nsadmin | Morgawr, if he does that, will it produce executables that will link with existing libs? |
| 00:25.57 | Morgawr | I've done it before, it's pretty simple |
| 00:26.02 | Morgawr | nsadmin: it should afaik |
| 00:26.10 | Morgawr | he can also decide to compile eglibc/glibc as well |
| 00:26.25 | Morgawr | the elf interface hasn't really changed between gcc implementation (thankfully) |
| 00:26.26 | streuner | well, he doesnt have Debian then |
| 00:26.30 | stew | nsadmin: what is he proposing? |
| 00:26.45 | Morgawr | streuner: "Debian" is just a gcc and glibc version? :/ |
| 00:27.03 | stew | huh? |
| 00:27.11 | nsadmin | Morgawr, read the book "Using and Porting GNU CC"... you will see that you're free to build just about any compiler under the sun... |
| 00:27.23 | nsadmin | stew, it's in your scrollback |
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| 00:27.53 | Morgawr | nsadmin: I know I am free to build any compiler I want, which is why I said that he might just want to compile gcc 4.7 from sources without having to install it from dpkg/apt |
| 00:28.27 | stew | judd: checkbackport gcc-4.5 |
| 00:28.28 | judd | Backporting package gcc-4.5 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~). |
| 00:28.33 | stew | judd: checkbackport libmpfr-dev |
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| 00:28.40 | stew | judd: checkbackport libgmp-dev |
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| 00:28.54 | judd | Backporting package libmpfr-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgmp-dev. |
| 00:28.55 | judd | Backporting package libgmp-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, archignore, squeeze-backports. |
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| 00:29.29 | stew | nickprzemo: so you could perhaps backport it |
| 00:29.45 | stew | nickprzemo: you can also just build your kernel .debs in a wheezy chroot |
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| 00:32.53 | nickprzemo | ok. thanks :) |
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| 00:41.42 | mnaser | Is there an issue with Squeeze where it does not regenerate SSH host keys if they are not there? |
| 00:42.11 | mnaser | I am creating VM templates and usually deleting them makes the OS regenerate them on boot up, but SSHd refuses to start saying they're not there |
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| 00:43.05 | pparadis | mnaser: that's not an issue per se, it's just how it works. the way to deal with that is to make an init script that regenerates them on first boot (or throw commands in rc.local to do it and start sshd) and delete the script (or revert to a vanilla rc.local) afterward. |
| 00:43.16 | pparadis | in fact, that's exactly what i do. |
| 00:43.35 | mnaser | pparadis: gotcha, because with rhel based os, i just delete them and sshd seems to merrily recreate them on it's own |
| 00:43.52 | pparadis | it does on some RHEL-based stuff, but not on debian, so yeah that's the way to deal with it. |
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| 00:44.24 | pparadis | i actually prefer things not getting arbitrarily regeneated on boot, if you know what i mean ;). i like to tell my system what to do, not the other way around. |
| 00:44.36 | mnaser | pparadis: gotcha, thank you very much, i'll set it up to create keys on boot |
| 00:44.39 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 00:44.51 | mnaser | tyvm |
| 00:50.50 | cardamon | Weird. |
| 00:51.07 | bigsky | hi all |
| 00:51.08 | cardamon | I printed something from okular and told it to use greyscale. It still did color. |
| 00:51.52 | streuner | check out cups, if you using it |
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| 00:54.35 | mnaser | pparadis: do you have a line or two on using ssh-keygen to not ask for apassphrase? |
| 00:54.39 | cardamon | streuner: I am. Looks like cup's defaults didn't get undefaulted by okular. |
| 00:54.48 | pparadis | mnaser: sec |
| 00:56.56 | streuner | cardamon: hm, never tried that, but i doubt that could even work |
| 00:58.12 | cardamon | streuner: that's exactly what happened. Default in cups was Draft Color. In okular I'd go in, print, hit greyscale, and select okay. Out comes color. |
| 00:58.22 | pparadis | mnaser: http://paste.debian.net/178141/ <-- that should work (it's the rc.local version). you just need to have a default rc.local on the filesystem as rc.local.default for it. |
| 00:58.24 | streuner | hm |
| 00:58.49 | mnaser | pparadis: thank you very much , i have the default rc.local |
| 00:58.56 | cardamon | Changed cups default to Draft Greyscale, printed in okular, left it on color, printed, and got greyscale. |
| 00:59.04 | pparadis | mnaser: as it said earlier, you could make an init script that would do that same thing and then remove itself, but it seems like overkill to me for something that's only going to run once. |
| 00:59.09 | pparadis | s/as it/as i/ |
| 00:59.17 | mnaser | pparadis: agreed, 3 lines is plenty :P |
| 00:59.24 | pparadis | :) |
| 00:59.44 | streuner | cardamon: hm, there should be a reason why okular has these options |
| 01:00.12 | cardamon | Ostensibly, because it expects them to work. |
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| 01:17.33 | bmomjian | I can ping 72.37.233.145 from my Verizon FIOS router but not from my Debian machine behind the router; Any idea how I can debug that? |
| 01:18.27 | bmomjian | Oops, netstat -rn shows: 72.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0; any idea how that got in there? I must be doing something wrong, but what? |
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| 01:20.31 | bmomjian | my IP address is 72.94.173.45; I must have not set the netmask right somewhere |
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| 01:26.12 | bmomjian | turns out I had a comment at the end of a line in network/interfaces and that was causing the netmask line to be ignored |
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| 01:26.41 | bmomjian | I see this is clearly documented in man interfaces --- oops on me! |
| 01:26.52 | dvs | !shame bmomjian |
| 01:27.15 | bmomjian | yep :-/ |
| 01:27.36 | bmomjian | wonder how many odd problems I have had with 72. addresses in the past |
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| 01:58.49 | wizkid057 | is there any way to make my mobile debian system connect automatically to any available open wifi access point? |
| 01:59.52 | dvs | wizkid057: wpa-roam from wpa-supplicant |
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| 02:02.44 | wizkid057 | dvs: thanks, i'll give that a shot |
| 02:03.06 | dvs | np |
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| 02:50.47 | cardamon | Trying to play a youtube stream in VLC worked...but the audio is distorted. I can make things out, but there's an annoying amount of electronic noise and crackles. |
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| 02:56.48 | cardamon | Huh. mplayer doesn't have the issue. |
| 02:56.51 | cardamon | I'll go with that. |
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| 03:12.16 | symptom | has desktop=xfce been replaced with installgui-xfce? |
| 03:12.43 | symptom | I tried the former at the boot: prompt but it gave me an error "could not find kernel image" |
| 03:13.59 | symptom | oh. I Have to type install first |
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| 03:21.46 | v1psta | fat, ugly, ignorant guy from okc? |
| 03:21.51 | v1psta | says he is a debian developer.... |
| 03:22.04 | v1psta | no? kk |
| 03:22.05 | v1psta | thanks |
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| 03:28.54 | ner0x | okay, so I've created a group, added my user to it, changed the group of the folder I want to write to, and still nothing works. |
| 03:28.59 | ner0x | Meaning I can't write to it. |
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| 04:06.04 | riex | Hello, someone here who knows how to fix this issue with java. http://pastebin.com/1LG6A1EH |
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| 04:18.46 | jparkton | riex try java --version |
| 04:19.15 | riex | jparkton: same |
| 04:19.17 | riex | -bash: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file |
| 04:19.18 | riex | :p |
| 04:21.06 | jparkton | apt-cache policy java |
| 04:22.53 | riex | jparkton: cannot find the package |
| 04:23.20 | jparkton | apt-get install java |
| 04:24.40 | riex | same |
| 04:25.10 | jparkton | apt-get install java says cannot execute binary file? |
| 04:25.15 | jparkton | I think your joshin me |
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| 04:26.36 | riex | nope |
| 04:26.44 | riex | cannot locate the package |
| 04:26.46 | riex | :) |
| 04:26.59 | jparkton | http://www.java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#install |
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| 04:30.43 | teratorn | why not apt-get openjdk? |
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| 04:37.12 | riex | teratorn: I have done that, but which one of these is 64 bit ? http://pastebin.com/RAh5uwb2 |
| 04:38.06 | Calinou | unknown paste ID, riex |
| 04:38.50 | riex | http://pastebin.com/YE5X7fV7 |
| 04:39.25 | Calinou | works now |
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| 04:39.55 | riex | Good, do you know which one that is 64 bit? |
| 04:39.55 | Calinou | normally, they are 64 bit, no? if you installed debian in amd64 |
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| 04:40.04 | riex | I got 32 bit system |
| 04:40.05 | riex | :P |
| 04:40.09 | riex | but i really need 64 bit java |
| 04:40.16 | Calinou | then, you can't. |
| 04:40.17 | riex | for running minecraft server over 4 GB |
| 04:40.21 | riex | are you sure? |
| 04:40.22 | jparkton | say wha? |
| 04:40.23 | Calinou | a 32 bit system cannot run 64 bit java |
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| 04:40.30 | jparkton | ^ |
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| 04:40.40 | riex | many peoples say it can :p |
| 04:40.51 | Calinou | you'll have to reinstall debian/any other distro in amd64/64 bits |
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| 04:41.11 | Calinou | a 32 bit kernel cannot run 64 bit binairies |
| 04:41.16 | Calinou | the inverse, yes |
| 04:41.18 | riex | ok :-| fucked up |
| 04:41.56 | jparkton | and be prepared for quite a few errors |
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| 04:45.14 | Calinou | riex, also, the per-process RAM limit on 32 bit is 3GB, not 4GB :P |
| 04:45.33 | riex | nope |
| 04:45.41 | riex | my server shows 56 GB :) |
| 04:46.05 | riex | in totally, when i check it in "top" or "htop" |
| 04:47.26 | Calinou | he had PAE extension then |
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| 04:48.35 | blubberdiblub | probably you will have to explain to him what a process limit is, if he returns ;) |
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| 04:52.33 | Calinou | :] |
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| 05:01.34 | blubberdiblub | or he's installing amd64 debian now |
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| 05:24.51 | lgp171188 | Hi, I have setup redmine integration with apache as described in the redmine documentation. I have a /git path accessible with auth and /git-private accessible only to redmine. When I clone the repository through /git path, I get the up-to-date repo. But when I try to view it in redmine repo viewer, I get a 404 "The entry or revision was not found in the repository." error. Trying to clone using the git-private url in the redmine box gives a bare r |
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| 05:37.08 | ciem | I actually managed to install debian on a usb stick, but it was awful |
| 05:37.17 | ciem | the speed... |
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| 05:38.59 | Calinou | ciem, why? :P |
| 05:39.38 | ciem | why I did this? |
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| 05:40.09 | Calinou | yes? :P |
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| 05:40.29 | ciem | I just wanted to have a debian on a usb stick :-P |
| 05:40.38 | ciem | portable |
| 05:40.50 | Calinou | > it's like a live USB, then, no? |
| 05:40.56 | Calinou | except you can store some more data |
| 05:41.07 | ciem | and you have a lilo |
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| 05:41.29 | Calinou | who still uses lilo today? thought it was dead and everyone used grub from no on |
| 05:41.31 | Calinou | now on* |
| 05:41.31 | ciem | and it doesn't want you to install a new deb every time |
| 05:41.35 | letsgetwet20 | When trying to boot the debian live usb from grub It hangs on sdb: attached scsi disk |
| 05:41.50 | ciem | yeah, that was the problem |
| 05:41.55 | ciem | so I had to use lilo |
| 05:42.05 | letsgetwet20 | any solutions to this? I've tried passing the failsafe, nousb, nousbstorage, noacpi and other parameters with no success |
| 05:42.33 | ciem | well, I just used lilo |
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| 05:43.11 | Calinou | "When trying to boot the debian live usb from grub" < normally, you should use the "boot order" thingie... why grub |
| 05:43.19 | Calinou | or are you talking about debian installed from a live usb? |
| 05:44.47 | ciem | he went to try lilo :X but srsly you're right, why not use boot sequence? |
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| 05:45.26 | letsgetwet20 | I'm talking about debian ON a live usb. Im on a macbook pro thus I have issues with booting form a usb and my disk drive is shot.... leaves me in a peculiar circumstance |
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| 05:46.26 | ciem | you want to install debian on a macbook pro? |
| 05:47.46 | letsgetwet20 | yeah, I'm running Arch linux only right now for the last year and a half and I want to switch |
| 05:48.49 | ciem | I can't understand why people buy mac and then install a linux or windows on it |
| 05:48.59 | letsgetwet20 | I've had the computer for 5 years |
| 05:49.19 | letsgetwet20 | as a gift. I broke my leg a year and a half ago and was bored |
| 05:49.29 | ciem | :D |
| 05:49.35 | letsgetwet20 | So i made installing linux my priority. I won't be getting a mac any longer |
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| 05:49.50 | letsgetwet20 | or my project I should say |
| 05:50.13 | ciem | macos x is a great os, why change it? |
| 05:50.48 | Calinou | mac os sucks |
| 05:50.49 | Calinou | a lot |
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| 05:51.25 | Calinou | it's worse than windows actually |
| 05:51.31 | ciem | well, I liked it |
| 05:51.59 | Calinou | linux would be the best OS if there wasn't bitching about GPU drivers; sadly, there is |
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| 05:52.12 | letsgetwet20 | can you help me to boot the live usb? |
| 05:52.30 | Calinou | don't know :/ |
| 05:52.54 | ciem | try to replace grub with lilo and then try |
| 05:53.02 | ciem | or, maybe not, that's too risky |
| 05:53.15 | ciem | you may end up with nothing :) |
| 05:53.17 | letsgetwet20 | exactly considering the predicament I'm in |
| 05:54.01 | ciem | you tried using C key on boot? |
| 05:54.27 | letsgetwet20 | yes along with the option key, I don't get anything |
| 05:55.16 | Calinou | maybe it's a mac issue... vendor lock again |
| 05:55.27 | ciem | oh, no wonder why it's not working, you dumped darwin :P |
| 05:55.34 | Calinou | I'm pretty sure there is some sort of vendor locks on macs too |
| 05:55.39 | letsgetwet20 | I've done it before with other live usb. Debian in particular is giving me issues |
| 05:56.10 | letsgetwet20 | I would stay on my Arch linux install, but it's too much upkeep/maintenance |
| 05:56.11 | ciem | Calinou, actually darwin is a open source project |
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| 05:57.41 | ciem | letsgetwet20, you got two usb ports, right? |
| 05:57.47 | ciem | I mean, at least? |
| 05:57.49 | Calinou | I know ciem |
| 05:57.52 | letsgetwet20 | yeah I have three |
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| 05:58.15 | ciem | you tried booting to something else first and then from it to a debian installation? |
| 05:58.20 | Calinou | ciem, still, the vendor lock could be outside the kernel |
| 05:58.28 | ciem | ChanServ |
| 05:58.38 | ciem | lol |
| 05:59.03 | letsgetwet20 | It boots to grub installed on my /dev/sda1 |
| 05:59.17 | letsgetwet20 | for my arch linux install and then I used the grub command line to boot the usb |
| 05:59.18 | ciem | Calinou, good point |
| 05:59.38 | letsgetwet20 | There is no vendor lock. I've booted plenty of live usb's before |
| 06:00.05 | letsgetwet20 | Debian in particular is giving me issues |
| 06:01.25 | ciem | why change the archlinux in the first place? |
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| 06:03.04 | letsgetwet20 | like i said too much maintenance upkeep. Maybe I've just tried to make it too simple. I'm running openbox now, do desktop environments take care of all the extraneous things that take so much time now? |
| 06:03.23 | ciem | maybe if you'll go to apple store they will borrow you a external optical drive on a usb for a second |
| 06:03.59 | ciem | ffs, I used a instead of an second time now |
| 06:04.03 | letsgetwet20 | I went to the store. They said, "You shouldn't be messing with that Linux stuff. Sorry we can't help you if your running that." |
| 06:04.29 | ciem | :) |
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| 06:04.55 | ciem | maybe some of your friends have this optical drive on a usb? |
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| 06:05.34 | letsgetwet20 | Yeah, it's too much of a hassle otherwise. I'll just do that. I've sunken too much time into anyway. Thanks |
| 06:06.22 | ciem | well, since you deleted darwin, it's hard to do anything with grub which is not letting you run debian live usb |
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| 06:10.43 | Calinou | lol |
| 06:10.57 | Calinou | (at the "you shouldn't be messing with that linux stuff" |
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| 06:33.40 | Calinou | does not care about flyback's bad fall |
| 06:33.57 | flyback | bites Calinou |
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| 06:38.21 | raptor67782 | do you know how to detect that my hw:0,0 or hw:2,0 are busy being used by my arecord recording ? |
| 06:39.43 | ompaul | raptor67782: you asked that in ##linux and got an answer - spamming multiple channels is bad form |
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| 06:52.22 | morteza_ipo | how to remove file owner from a file? |
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| 06:52.39 | pparadis | morteza_ipo: chown |
| 06:52.44 | pparadis | morteza_ipo: see also chmod |
| 06:52.47 | ompaul | with a gun or chown newowner:group file |
| 06:52.49 | morteza_ipo | I have several files that owner is mine |
| 06:53.02 | pparadis | morteza_ipo: man chown |
| 06:53.04 | morteza_ipo | I wanna to change when the computer will change |
| 06:53.39 | ompaul | morteza_ipo: if in a directory, chown -R name:group /path/to/data |
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| 06:54.13 | morteza_ipo | ompaul: I wanna that name will change when computer change |
| 06:54.58 | morteza_ipo | means my owner app in my system is morteza , and on my friend system will set my friend name |
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| 06:55.42 | pparadis | morteza_ipo: i'm not sure i understand. are you saying you want the ownership of a file to change when it's on someone else's computer? |
| 06:56.02 | morteza_ipo | yes |
| 06:56.27 | pparadis | morteza_ipo: if something is copied to your friend's computer by your friend, it will be owned by that user. |
| 06:56.43 | morteza_ipo | ahan . ok , thank you |
| 06:56.48 | pparadis | you're welcome |
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| 07:24.19 | boudiccas | does anyone know the name of the debian mailing list under gmame please, as i've just accidentally deleted the shortcut to it |
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| 07:25.13 | morteza_ipo | how to make deb-src file? |
| 07:25.20 | flyback | andy Griffith died :( |
| 07:25.38 | morteza_ipo | I created deb file . but I don't know to how create deb-src |
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| 07:25.57 | ompaul | boudiccas: eh given there is more than one debian list starting with gmane debian in a search engine makes more sense |
| 07:26.22 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 07:44.41 | boudiccas | its "gmane.linux.debian.user" |
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| 07:55.00 | cads | hey guys |
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| 07:55.41 | cads | I'm thinking of doing linux from scratch as a learning experience |
| 07:56.28 | cads | it seems like it's a project with well documented steps |
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| 07:57.22 | nkuttler | cads: do you have a debian question? |
| 07:57.27 | cads | but since I use debian (I'll be building things in a virtual machine), Id like to know of there are similar projects for debian |
| 07:58.11 | nkuttler | cads: debian is a binary distro. if you want to build from sources you can recompile packages, package stuff yourself, build backports etc |
| 07:58.11 | cads | I've found forum posts that show how to debootstrap a system |
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| 07:59.38 | cads | nkuttler, I guess one idea behind linux from scratch is that the building and configuration of each component of the OS gives you a good feel for the ways its pieces fit together |
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| 08:00.51 | cads | where for debian, the same sense of understanding how things fit together might come from reading documentation, following discussions |
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| 08:01.26 | nkuttler | cads: i don't see how running a compiler increases your understanding a lot. sure, config options can be interesting, but not that much |
| 08:01.27 | cads | but most importantly, it seems like you have to already know a good bit about linux system architecture |
| 08:01.48 | nkuttler | building a kernel is certainly instructional though |
| 08:02.42 | cads | nkuttler, yeah, I think building the system from scratch is just one way to absorb its architecture |
| 08:04.18 | cads | if I do it, I'll have to take what I've learned and apply it to learning about how debian works |
| 08:04.49 | cads | and I'd rather stick with debian, since I know it |
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| 08:07.23 | nkuttler | cads: i think the only way to build all of debian is to build all backages, but that's not at all the same as using a source distro |
| 08:07.32 | nkuttler | buildd all packages |
| 08:08.39 | nkuttler | like not to have to build stuff |
| 08:09.04 | morteza_ipo | I installed debian graphic cart , but I have just 1024x768 resolution |
| 08:09.17 | morteza_ipo | I think it haven't installed , |
| 08:09.30 | morteza_ipo | how to install automatically? |
| 08:09.53 | cads | yeah, the idea is to do some instructional course of study that in the process leads to a deeper familiarity with debian. Since it's a source distro, it's nice not to build stuff. Instead, topics like dependency handling could be covered. |
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| 08:10.24 | cads | among other more foundational topics |
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| 08:12.19 | cads | you can think of linux from scratch as a intermediate level intro to linux, a 'Linux 201' class that unfortunately requires a lot of hand configuring and compiling, but in the end gives you real experience dealing with linux components |
| 08:12.47 | Calinou | compiling a kernel is pointless |
| 08:12.50 | cads | ... just not necessarily very useful for dealing in source based distributions :) |
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| 08:12.56 | Calinou | morteza_ipo, xorg is using the vesa driver, not the proper driver |
| 08:13.03 | Calinou | PAE tends to cause problems with drivers |
| 08:13.15 | Calinou | morteza_ipo, proprietary? what brand of graphics card? |
| 08:14.53 | morteza_ipo | Calinou: Module intel , Module vesa |
| 08:17.30 | morteza_ipo | Calinou: I should install Nvidia? |
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| 08:18.19 | Calinou | morteza_ipo, what is your graphics card? nvidia or intel? |
| 08:18.28 | Calinou | is confused |
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| 08:19.06 | hotwings | how do i find a list of all the dependencies that are installed when an `apt-get install xserver-xorg` is performed? |
| 08:19.09 | morteza_ipo | Calinou: Intel |
| 08:19.25 | hotwings | i dont actually want to install xserver-xorg, i just want a list of all the crap that gets installed with it |
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| 08:20.42 | xingu | hotwings: apt-cache depends ? |
| 08:21.02 | nkuttler | hotwings: or maybe debtree |
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| 08:21.24 | hotwings | ill look into those real quick, thanks |
| 08:22.29 | Calinou | morteza_ipo, then don't install nvidia drivers :P |
| 08:22.34 | Calinou | hotwings, apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 08:22.37 | Calinou | and say "no" to the confirmation |
| 08:22.38 | Calinou | ;) |
| 08:23.11 | morteza_ipo | Calinou: It was installed |
| 08:23.25 | Calinou | o,o |
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| 08:24.30 | morteza_ipo | Calinou: unistall and install again? |
| 08:25.16 | cads | Calinou, would you have a book or project suggestion for CS or IT students who wish to take their debian knowledge to the next level? |
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| 08:25.37 | Calinou | cads, no, better have a kick instead |
| 08:26.00 | Calinou | sarcasm detector sensitvity for #debian: high |
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| 08:30.29 | cads | Calinou, I know it's a poor question, but it's not sarcastic at all. Suppose you were to teach an advanced class on debian. Does a lesson plan come easily to your mind? |
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| 08:32.16 | cads | I guess one way would be to help guide the students in a very focused version of the same kind of activities that you did to learn the system. |
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| 08:35.08 | Bhavesh | How do I add deb http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/unstable/ ./ into my sources list from command line |
| 08:35.09 | Bhavesh | ? |
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| 08:35.36 | Bhavesh | apt-add? |
| 08:35.46 | Calinou | cads, not really |
| 08:35.49 | Calinou | I'm not a linux expert at all :P |
| 08:35.58 | Calinou | Bhavesh, sudo add-apt-repository <url> |
| 08:36.01 | Calinou | sudo apt-get update |
| 08:36.07 | Bhavesh | ok ty |
| 08:37.16 | Calinou | :] |
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| 08:37.46 | Bhavesh | Calinou: sudo add-apt-repository : command not found |
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| 08:38.22 | Calinou | O_o |
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| 08:38.39 | Calinou | Bhavesh, also, you could use any text editor; such as nano or vim |
| 08:38.58 | Bhavesh | Calinou: no no no I am using a vps |
| 08:39.06 | Bhavesh | Calinou: from putty |
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| 08:40.41 | nsadmin | , file add-apt-repository |
| 08:40.47 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 08:41.00 | Calinou | that must be ubuntu-only then |
| 08:41.03 | Calinou | Bhavesh, then use nano or vim |
| 08:41.26 | Calinou | /etc/apt/sources.list (you have to use root) |
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| 08:41.31 | Bhavesh | ok |
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| 08:42.56 | Bhavesh | Calinou: I opened the sources.list file from vim.. now how am I supposed to edit and save it? |
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| 08:44.08 | Calinou | add a line with: deb <url> ./ |
| 08:44.21 | Calinou | tip: if you have trouble using vim, use nano instead, it's easier |
| 08:44.25 | Calinou | :P |
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| 08:46.27 | Bhavesh | Calinou: I cannot type anything in it.. it shows blue ~ symbols for blank lines.. also nano isnt installed. for installing it I need to close vim but I cannot lol |
| 08:47.12 | Calinou | install nano then? why isn't it installed? |
| 08:47.16 | Calinou | it's always installed with debian afaik |
| 08:47.19 | cm13g09 | Bhavesh: Type :wq to exit vim |
| 08:47.22 | metaphysician | Bhavesh: ESC q! to exit from vim |
| 08:47.27 | cm13g09 | sorry |
| 08:47.27 | cm13g09 | yes |
| 08:47.32 | cm13g09 | don't use wq! |
| 08:47.46 | cm13g09 | I'm too used to save and quit :P |
| 08:47.58 | Bhavesh | alright |
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| 08:48.43 | Bhavesh | LOL : apt-get install nano: E:couldn't find package nano. nano: command not found -_- |
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| 08:49.11 | Calinou | Bhavesh, your sources are very broken |
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| 08:49.23 | nsadmin | if you don't know vim, you decide whether you want to learn a different editor... if not, use the one you like |
| 08:49.28 | Bhavesh | and I am using debian for the first time |
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| 08:50.10 | nsadmin | , file nano |
| 08:50.14 | judd | Search for nano in squeeze/i386: nano: bin/nano, bin/rnano, usr/bin/nano, usr/share/doc-base/nano, usr/share/menu/nano |
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| 08:50.56 | metaphysician | Bhavesh: cat |
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| 08:52.28 | Bhavesh | metaphysician: I can read with cat but can I write and save? |
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| 08:54.38 | metaphysician | Bhavesh: cat >sources.list |
| 08:55.00 | nsadmin | Bhavesh, you'll have to do some learning here, nothing hard, about how to use linux at the shell prompt |
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| 08:55.39 | Bhavesh | nsadmin: I've used Ubuntu for about 2 years and CentOS for 2 weeks. Using debian for first time |
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| 08:56.13 | metaphysician | 0_0! |
| 08:56.33 | nsadmin | so you're then very familiar with the shell, and in particular output redirection? |
| 08:57.10 | Bhavesh | nope |
| 08:57.19 | Bhavesh | I am not "very" familiar |
| 08:57.57 | nsadmin | ok, then maybe there's a little learning you would need to do in order to understand the solution to the problem |
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| 08:58.24 | Bhavesh | yes |
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| 08:59.17 | nsadmin | so most unix/linux commands print something to STDOUT |
| 08:59.24 | nsadmin | such as ls |
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| 09:00.19 | nsadmin | if you type ls, it shows you what's in your dir |
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| 09:00.26 | nsadmin | (is that true?) |
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| 09:01.39 | nsadmin | Bhavesh, (this is where you would try ls, and see what it does) |
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| 09:01.59 | pparadis | also, man pages are great |
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| 09:02.21 | pparadis | really, they are. they tell you exactly what a program is designed to do. |
| 09:02.52 | nsadmin | aannnd, he doesn't' have the slightest interest |
| 09:02.55 | nsadmin | !next |
| 09:02.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:03.03 | pparadis | roger that. |
| 09:03.16 | pparadis | (in more ways than one) |
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| 09:04.53 | nsadmin | btw, which man page would you have had him read? |
| 09:05.03 | pparadis | all of them. |
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| 09:05.41 | nsadmin | sounds useless to me |
| 09:05.57 | peterrooney | pparadis: no, they do not. they remind you of rules the program follows |
| 09:06.35 | qqww | hi, i am trying to create a script (to put as cron job) to send a mail on debian. mail has specific subject and body, but i need to use an external smtp server, how to do this ? |
| 09:06.37 | pparadis | nsadmin: actually, i'd have him start with http://debian-handbook.info/ and then learn about the basics of bash, how redirection works, the unix philosophy as it pertains to programs and scripting, etc. |
| 09:07.07 | qqww | qqww: with mail command |
| 09:08.08 | Calinou | <pparadis> really, they are. they tell you exactly what a program is designed to do. |
| 09:08.10 | Calinou | in 1500 lines yes |
| 09:08.11 | pparadis | peterrooney: 05:02 < pparadis> really, they are. they tell you exactly what a program is designed to do. <-- note i said "designed to do" which is synonymous with your last statement. they're designed to convey the basic purpose of a program, its options and what they are intended to do, and provide a means of contacting the developer or maintainer. what was your point again? |
| 09:08.12 | qqww | basically need to specify the username, hostname, port number |
| 09:08.14 | qqww | nsadmin: ? |
| 09:08.16 | qqww | pparadis: ? |
| 09:08.50 | qqww | and password too |
| 09:08.54 | pparadis | qqww: ssmtp |
| 09:09.35 | qqww | pparadis: thanks, looking up |
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| 09:10.30 | pparadis | qqww: alternately, look for libraries in your favorite programming language which support what you want to do. such libraries exist for perl, python, php, c, and probably most other major languages you can think of. |
| 09:10.32 | qqww | pparadis: no way to specify port number, and password |
| 09:10.50 | nsadmin | pparadis, it's very difficult to form a solution just reading man pages |
| 09:10.50 | qqww | pparadis: i did think about perl but was looking for easier solution |
| 09:11.09 | qqww | nsadmin: any suggestions |
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| 09:12.15 | pparadis | nsadmin: that's why people need to start by understanding the basics of how unix works, how the shell works, how basic scripting works in some cases, etc. the problem isn't man pages, and it isn't the platform (in this case, debian). the problem is with people who want instant magical recipes to do what they want, without understanding how any of it works. |
| 09:12.16 | peterrooney | pparadis: example: the cgroup-bin package. reading all the man pages in it won't help you use it without referring to outside tutorials. |
| 09:13.16 | peterrooney | pparadis: you are absolutely right. however, man pages often lack didactic utility. |
| 09:13.17 | pparadis | peterrooney: the above applies. people who expect others to do their work for them get what they get. alternately, if people approach the problem properly and understand the basics of the platform they're working with, channels like this and many others are fantastic resources for getting help with specific problems. |
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| 09:14.02 | pparadis | peterrooney: man pages are designed for people who aren't lazy. that may not apply to most people, but then again, it can't apply to most people either, or nobody would get anything done except hand holding for people who won't do their own jbos. |
| 09:14.03 | nsadmin | pparadis, so, basically, take a basic intro to unix course... if you can find one these days... |
| 09:14.04 | peterrooney | oh god i just used didactic and meant it. |
| 09:14.06 | pparadis | s/jbos/jobs/ |
| 09:14.09 | pparadis | peterrooney: :) |
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| 09:15.04 | nsadmin | pparadis, you have things to learn about people on this channel |
| 09:15.15 | nsadmin | =snicker= |
| 09:15.45 | pparadis | nsadmin: i expect the best, accept nothing less, do lots of hand holding when people are willing to learn, and after a certain point i ignore the rest ;) |
| 09:16.03 | Calinou | <pparadis> nsadmin: that's why people need to start by understanding the basics of how unix works, how the shell works, how basic scripting works in some cases, etc. the problem isn't man pages, and it isn't the platform (in this case, debian). the problem is with people who want instant magical recipes to do what they want, without understanding how any of it works. |
| 09:16.17 | Calinou | lol |
| 09:16.19 | nsadmin | ahh :) correction you have A LOT to learn about people on this channel :) |
| 09:16.35 | Calinou | people can't do this today; impatience |
| 09:17.19 | nsadmin | see, we're actually in complete agreement... and the reality is THEY WILL NOT DO IT. |
| 09:18.01 | pparadis | nsadmin: i'm an old bastard (well, i'm 31), and i spend hours each day helping people from rote newbies to folks with interesting problems that i can't manage to wrap my head around. thus, as long as i see effort i'll walk 10K miles to help a guy. as soon as that effort disappears, i adopt the "well, have fun ... oh you're still here, well i tried ... dude, really ... ok fuck it you'll time out eventually" position ;) |
| 09:18.12 | pparadis | and yeah, we're actually in complete agreement apparently :) |
| 09:18.30 | nsadmin | pparadis, the expectation you have leaves zero room for people who don't learn that way |
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| 09:18.44 | nsadmin | it also leaves zero room for anything |
| 09:18.56 | pparadis | oh, don't get me wrong, i provide examples often. but i make sure they understand (and prove they understand) where that info comes from. |
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| 09:19.42 | pparadis | if they can't prove they grok where it at least came from, and show they're putting a little effort in, it's basically "do my homework for me" and the buck stops there with me. |
| 09:20.37 | pparadis | note that how i treat people who pay me for support is *vastly* different. that said, i haven't been paid yet for support in any community channel i can recall, going back to the BBS days. |
| 09:20.57 | pparadis | always help, but expect a little effort in return. that's my motto. |
| 09:21.06 | qqww | i am trying mailx -S smtp-auth=login -S smtp-auth-user=$FROM_EMAIL_ADDRESS etc. but it says invalid option -S |
| 09:21.23 | qqww | nsadmin: pparadis : got it from http://fclose.com/b/linux/1411/sending-email-from-mailx-command-in-linux-using-gmails-smtp/ |
| 09:21.24 | pparadis | qqww: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 09:21.28 | nsadmin | Got it, so if not paid, you're a judge and a cop |
| 09:21.42 | qqww | pparadis: mail a file to an external smtp server with given port, username and password |
| 09:22.14 | qqww | qqww: using mailx, i can't install sstmp presently |
| 09:22.25 | pparadis | nsadmin: no, i'm a volunteer who will tell people what they need to do every time, but won't do it for them. shown a little effort at understanding on their side, i'll walk them through an entire server deployment step by step. done it countless times. but no effort == i'm done, have fun. |
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| 09:23.16 | qqww | pparadis: then i removed -S everywhere and it complains invalid optoin -- r |
| 09:23.33 | pparadis | seriously man, i've helped three guys with thorny virtualization questions related to KVM, Xen, and other stuff in the last couple of days. and that's actually my primary line of business, which makes them competitors. i still helped them solve their problems without a single hitch. |
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| 09:24.02 | pparadis | nsadmin: that's called putting my support ahead of my money. |
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| 09:24.05 | SpComb | pparadis: a sane command-line interface for libvirt? |
| 09:24.31 | pparadis | SpComb: virsh is above as close as you're going to get without resorting to talking to libvirt yourself. |
| 09:24.37 | pparadis | s/above/about/ |
| 09:24.45 | SpComb | i.e. editing xml :( |
| 09:25.10 | qqww | nsadmin: pparadis any help ?! |
| 09:25.40 | pparadis | SpComb: you don't have to edit XML yourself. there are libraries for that. also, for small changes where you control the .xml source in the first place, just sed/awk/perl/python it on a per-line basis and use your own base templates for it. |
| 09:25.44 | nsadmin | ok, so I understand where you're coming from... for one thing, you get to spend your time how you want to... |
| 09:26.03 | pparadis | nsadmin: heh, less than you might imagine. |
| 09:26.16 | qqww | nsadmin: pparadis any help ?! |
| 09:26.20 | pparadis | qqww: hang on |
| 09:26.23 | nsadmin | why complain about how I spend mine? |
| 09:26.31 | pparadis | nsadmin: i'm not :) |
| 09:27.18 | pparadis | qqww: please note that i'm not the only dude in this channel. that said, let me ask you a question. why do you *have* to send that mail from another host? |
| 09:27.55 | pparadis | qqww: could you possibly send it from the host your program is running on in the first place? i like to use exim in a send-only config for things like that. |
| 09:28.16 | qqww | could you possibly send it from the host your program is running on in the first place? : YES |
| 09:28.31 | qqww | pparadis: but the smtp server is elsewhere |
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| 09:28.54 | SpComb | pparadis: I mean for day-to-day interactive maintenance, like attaching new interfaces for existing bridges.. with the kvm/libvirt in squeeze, it's a buggy PITA |
| 09:28.56 | pparadis | qqww: you can run an MTA on the host your program is running on. in fact, you probably already are. |
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| 09:29.30 | SpComb | pparadis: like virsh attach-disk hotplugs at runtime, but adds xml with the wrong driver, so it fails a reboot etc |
| 09:30.02 | qqww | pparadis: i have exim there, but can i use exim now using cli as smtp client ? |
| 09:30.21 | pparadis | SpComb: that comes down to having a good understanding of what that XML needs to look like, and using the right libraries to modify it. |
| 09:30.35 | SpComb | pparadis: virsh edit and vim? |
| 09:30.46 | SpComb | pparadis: or you mean write our own tools in Python? |
| 09:31.26 | pparadis | SpComb: heck no. slurp in the XML with perl/python/whever, modify the elements you need to modify, write out the new config, IPC out to "virsh define" for the updated file, reboot VM if necessary. |
| 09:31.30 | pparadis | done. |
| 09:31.45 | qqww | pparadis: not done |
| 09:31.54 | pparadis | qqww: hang on. |
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| 09:32.25 | pparadis | qqww: when you badger people in community support channels, they tend to not want to help you anymore, especially if they're helping someone else at the same time. |
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| 09:33.16 | pparadis | qqww: this should apply to any given internet-connected host: http://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-debian-6-squeeze |
| 09:33.42 | qqww | looking up |
| 09:34.28 | pparadis | qqww: once you configure the host as per the above, you should be able to just shoot mail at localhost:25 and it will Just Work. please note that if your organization employs things like SPF on your sending domain, you will need to modify (or have someone else do it) that SPF/TXT record in DNS to allow sending for the domain from the host you're on. |
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| 09:34.36 | pparadis | qqww: but once that's done, you're golden. |
| 09:34.38 | Calinou | hi nyuszika7h :P |
| 09:34.45 | nyuszika7h | Hi |
| 09:34.54 | nyuszika7h | For a moment I thought it was some spammer who did a masshighlight. |
| 09:35.01 | Calinou | :} |
| 09:36.49 | qqww | pparadis: i want to send mail to an external host, not localhost, i have an exim4 configured and running already locally, if i can use this local exim4 also its fine, but the mail has to go to outside server |
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| 09:37.17 | qqww | pparadis: basically exim cli as smtp client |
| 09:37.52 | pparadis | qqww: you can relay mail between hosts with authentication using exim/postfix/whatever, but you haven't explained why you *have* to send the mail to the other host. it's outbound mail, why does it matter? please explain. |
| 09:38.14 | pparadis | and there is no exim cli. |
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| 09:38.50 | pparadis | but there are plenty of libraries for perl/python/etc that will do what you want if you really need to do it this way, which i'm still doubting because you haven't explained that bit. |
| 09:38.59 | qqww | pparadis: since i have a free account and they support smtp and pop, i wnat it to that free account |
| 09:39.33 | qqww | qqww: from gmx |
| 09:39.34 | pparadis | where is the server that your app is running on hosted? |
| 09:39.41 | qqww | and comcast |
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| 09:40.01 | qqww | local |
| 09:40.09 | pparadis | qqww: is the app running on a home or business comcast connection? |
| 09:40.27 | qqww | home |
| 09:41.32 | pparadis | qqww: fine. get a $20/month VPS from someone and either allow relaying from your home IP (and configure exim/postfix to relay outbound) or just set up a persistent stunnel or ssh tunnel connection to the external VPS that you can use to forward port 25 traffic to. problem solved. |
| 09:42.02 | qqww | can't spend a penny |
| 09:42.07 | qqww | and for this i don't really need to |
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| 09:42.15 | qqww | i have smtp support for my comcast email from them already |
| 09:42.23 | qqww | anyway never mind |
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| 09:53.23 | nsadmin | pparadis, all of the previous args you made are completely valid, if adjusted fairly tight. I've made all these arguments, only to see someone else hand the fish over |
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| 09:55.20 | nsadmin | the fish receiver applies the canned solution that was hand delivered in a limo on a silver platter, and fails to learn any of its general principals... |
| 09:55.28 | pparadis | nsadmin: it happens. when i see it, i kinda just move on and let it go unless it's obviously an extreme case where the recipient of said fish needs to hear something about it (or indeed the giver) |
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| 09:57.05 | nsadmin | in a more extreme case, I refused to come up with a canned solution to a troll who then accused me of trolling |
| 09:57.26 | pparadis | that's what a troll does :) |
| 09:57.43 | pparadis | trolls gonna troll. |
| 09:57.50 | nsadmin | I'll tell you one thing, this channel is full of folks who (as the last guy) can't spend a penny |
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| 09:58.17 | nsadmin | you and I will not -ever- get to monitize this |
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| 09:58.58 | pparadis | i think it's a truism that 1% of the people who touch software on this planet support 99% of the people who use it, including those who never give a single thing back. somehow, we keep doing what we're doing though :) |
| 09:59.20 | pparadis | hey, at least we know they're using it! |
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| 09:59.49 | pparadis | anyhow, this is veering terribly offtopic for this channel, so we should probably continue in -offtopic ;) |
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| 10:00.02 | pparadis | s/is veering/has long since veered/ |
| 10:00.26 | nsadmin | I am there... |
| 10:00.31 | pparadis | i know :) |
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| 10:01.12 | pparadis | nsadmin: gasp! you're not in the oftc -offtopic |
| 10:01.31 | nsadmin | oh, no...the one here |
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| 10:01.55 | pparadis | nsadmin: i'm only on freenode because somebody convinced me i could be of use here. oftc is my home. :) |
| 10:02.08 | bailus | i, for one am highly offended by all this offtopic chat |
| 10:02.19 | pparadis | bailus: as am i! |
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| 10:07.32 | nsadmin | pparadis, could you be of use here? of course... you may need to adjust some parameters as discussed. |
| 10:07.43 | pparadis | <3 |
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| 10:08.01 | morteza_ipo | ? |
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| 10:08.46 | pparadis | nsadmin: i've been of good use since i showed up so far, here's to hoping i can be of more use looking forward :) |
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| 10:09.32 | pparadis | cautiously adjusts his parameters |
| 10:09.44 | nsadmin | example, give a smaller solution that gives them one general piece that you might explain a bit... if they want more, then suggest a particular man page to look at. sometimes when suggesting man pages, have them look for a specific section, line number or --option |
| 10:10.00 | pparadis | nsadmin: you're describing what i often do :) |
| 10:10.29 | nsadmin | I'm just saying at least ramp em up |
| 10:10.36 | pparadis | let's get pumped! |
| 10:10.51 | pparadis | but yeah, that is a good approach for helping many folks. |
| 10:11.06 | pparadis | bbiab, winding some things down for the evening. |
| 10:12.23 | nsadmin | cool. good talkin. |
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| 10:16.08 | MysteryBanshee | Hi |
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| 10:17.07 | MysteryBanshee | Litecoin Part bVWbwrYbvWhst Bitcoin Part XbmmDJAks6N8e (2) |
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| 10:17.51 | ratatata | nu |
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| 10:48.36 | Anduck | so uhh, has anyone posted something with (1),(2) or (3) here recently? |
| 10:48.58 | Werring | define recently? |
| 10:49.05 | Anduck | in 24 hours |
| 10:49.18 | Anduck | well, in the last 10 hours |
| 10:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of quiz is that? |
| 10:49.46 | Anduck | i need the code for a challenge i am doing. |
| 10:50.13 | nkuttler | Anduck: this is a support channel for the debian operating system |
| 10:50.18 | Anduck | i am aware of that. |
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| 10:50.31 | nkuttler | Anduck: so find some programming related channel |
| 10:50.55 | Anduck | the thing is, someone posted the code _right here_ in this channel and i need it. |
| 10:51.30 | boudiccas | Anduck: then read the scroll back |
| 10:51.47 | Anduck | i think channel logs are delayed |
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| 10:52.21 | Anduck | ok i found what i needed, thanks :) |
| 10:52.28 | boudiccas | Anduck: thats your problem, not ours. not debai related really |
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| 11:01.19 | p3rror | how to create a loopback interface |
| 11:01.48 | nkuttler | p3rror: um, you should have one by default |
| 11:02.00 | nkuttler | p3rror: anyway, man 5 interfaces |
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| 11:04.48 | mekeor | how to find out whether my hard drive is connected with SATA? (if you know what i mean.) |
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| 11:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he means how to connect the loop interface to a file for use... |
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| 11:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mount -o loop automatically does that... else, look at man losetup |
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| 11:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (also for removing it again after use) |
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| 11:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell mekeor about what's my hardware |
| 11:11.29 | mekeor | nice, thanks so far =) |
| 11:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually opening the lid would be easiest for this |
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| 11:11.55 | mekeor | :D |
| 11:12.03 | mekeor | i have a laptop… so… nope |
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| 11:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdparm -I reports my disk as "ATA" |
| 11:13.00 | judgen | Is there a login manager in SID that uses gtk2 instead of gtk3? i would love to have some sort of uniform look. |
| 11:13.21 | judgen | in most other distros there is lxdm |
| 11:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually some laptops have a special opening for easy access of the HD |
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| 11:14.01 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: nice! thanks!! |
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| 11:16.04 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: does this http://codepad.org/WxaWRmY0 mean that my HD uses ATA or SATA? |
| 11:16.56 | mekeor | SATA, right? (line 7) |
| 11:17.51 | mekeor | judgen: is the no lxdm in debians package repositories? |
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| 11:20.28 | judgen | mekeor, nope |
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| 11:22.33 | mekeor | weird |
| 11:22.59 | a_meteor | If anyone has a channel log, would they mind grepping for MysteryBanshee? |
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| 11:23.32 | a_meteor | He posted a clue to a mystery earlier. |
| 11:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok, mine says: ATA device, with non-removable media Transport: Serial |
| 11:23.56 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: so… what? |
| 11:24.09 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: do we both have SATA then? |
| 11:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nuffin what |
| 11:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess must be SATA |
| 11:24.23 | \3TATUK | If I issue `sudo aptitude -f install` ... it recommends the following packages be installed: "autopoint gettext libalut0 libftgl2 libunistring0" ... Is there any way to tell why this is so or what other installed packages are triggering those recommendations? |
| 11:24.24 | mekeor | bummer! what a bummer! |
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| 11:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wha? |
| 11:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 11:24.39 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: GNU Hurd doesn't support SATA yet. |
| 11:24.47 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: i wanted to try it out… |
| 11:25.11 | mekeor | afaik. |
| 11:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sure it will do "next year", though |
| 11:25.19 | mekeor | :) hopefully. |
| 11:25.27 | tremon | \3TATUK: try --show-why |
| 11:25.30 | judgen | if i try to install the ubuntu package for lxdm on debian it asks me if i want to replace sysvinit with upstart... would that even work? |
| 11:25.41 | judgen | or would it break down? |
| 11:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do YOU think? |
| 11:26.17 | \3TATUK | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd/running/debian/faq/sata_disk_drives.html |
| 11:26.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, frankendebian |
| 11:26.20 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 11:26.20 | mekeor | CutMeOwnThroat: talking to me? |
| 11:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mekeor, no |
| 11:27.02 | mekeor | \3TATUK: thank you!!!! |
| 11:27.06 | \3TATUK | tremon: --show-why produces nothing |
| 11:27.37 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes but i have not done so yet, but installing upstart from debian repos asks the same question even without the ubuntu package. |
| 11:27.56 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, so my question is "is it safe to install upstart in debian?" |
| 11:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 11:28.09 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, why is it in the repos then? |
| 11:28.15 | tremon | \3TATUK: man aptitude |
| 11:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | in case people want it |
| 11:28.21 | judgen | oh ok. |
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| 11:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | afaik, not all ("server"-)packages are prepared for upstart... |
| 11:31.10 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, i have nothing to lose but my spare installation... i think i will give it a go just to see was happens. |
| 11:31.34 | judgen | brb... perhaps =D |
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| 11:34.07 | \3TATUK | How can I list broken packages ? |
| 11:34.20 | tremon | anyone know a channel where I can ask about efibootmgr, of efi booting in general? |
| 11:36.04 | stew | \3TATUK: aptitude search '?broken' |
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| 11:36.47 | KarmaPolice | hello |
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| 11:38.03 | \3TATUK | stew: Returns no results yet `aptitude -f install` still tries to trigger 5 new installations ? I don't get where they're coming from ... |
| 11:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes I wonder why people ask when they are going to do the same thing whatever answer they get anyway |
| 11:38.30 | stew | \3TATUK: try "aptitude why packagename" for some package it wants to install |
| 11:38.42 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: that's CYA U guess |
| 11:38.47 | tremon | s/U/I/ |
| 11:38.50 | \3TATUK | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe they only "do the same thing" because they feel their method is superior to the alternative supplied. |
| 11:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | "will it break" "yes" "ok, I'll try anyway" |
| 11:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait, what? |
| 11:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, whatever |
| 11:40.24 | \3TATUK | stew: This is so funny.... "The following NEW packages will be installed: autopoint gettext libalut0 libftgl2 libunistring0" ... "Unable to find a reason to install libftgl2." |
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| 11:40.58 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, upstart seems to work just fine, atleast on this machine. |
| 11:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | \3TATUK, they might come from installs you began, then stopped with ^C |
| 11:41.38 | judgen | but afaik upstart is 99% compatible with sysvinit scripts anyways, so it might not be such a big deal. |
| 11:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | judgen, \o/ |
| 11:41.42 | fbs | how can i remove a package but keep its dependencies? I want to remove a package becuase I compiled a newer, but removing also removes the *-dev which are needed for the build |
| 11:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | fbs, building a newer version of the package didn't build the -dev package as well? |
| 11:42.36 | \3TATUK | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, I think I actually might have done that ... Is there a way to 'clean' that up ? |
| 11:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | \3TATUK, aptitude remove ... |
| 11:42.56 | \3TATUK | Hrm |
| 11:43.21 | stew | \3TATUK: is gonome-common installed? |
| 11:43.26 | stew | gnome-common* |
| 11:43.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's actually a "feature" of aptitude which annoys me as well and why I keep using apt-get a lot of the time |
| 11:43.31 | fbs | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, I didnt create a package, use make/make install |
| 11:43.42 | tremon | fbs: does the -dev package depend on the package you're trying to remove? |
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| 11:44.10 | \3TATUK | CutMeOwnThroat: That's so funny. I just had to purge those non-installed packages it was trying to install. <_< |
| 11:44.20 | fbs | its guile-2.0, it wants to remove libreadline-dev |
| 11:44.43 | tremon | fbs: apt-mark manual libreadline-dev ? |
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| 11:45.12 | fbs | tremon: Ill check it out, never used mark stuff |
| 11:45.37 | \3TATUK | fbs: remove the package with dependencies, then reinstall the dependencies ? |
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| 11:46.20 | tremon | it shouldn't be necessary to do that when you're using apt-get though, because apt-get will only complain ("the following packages are no longer necessary and can be removed with apt-get autoremove") |
| 11:46.30 | tremon | the aptitude equivalent is aptitude unmarkauto |
| 11:46.50 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, do you know how to pin in the /etc/apt/preferences so sysvinit does not get installed again when i upgrade the packages. |
| 11:47.00 | fbs | \3TATUK: I did that, but its not very convenient |
| 11:47.15 | fbs | tremon: I think the mark stuff will work :) |
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| 11:48.43 | stew | judgen: why would that require pinning? |
| 11:49.08 | \3TATUK | This is similar to what I was wondering ... Is it possible to purge evolution without it triggering the removal of gnome ? |
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| 11:49.15 | judgen | stew, i installed upstart instead, and now when i do standard apt-get upgrade it asks me to remove upstart and install sysvinit. |
| 11:49.53 | judgen | \3TATUK, you could pin gnome packages to unremovable somehow, but i do not remember how to do this. |
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| 11:50.05 | tremon | judgen: are you using debian's upstart package? |
| 11:50.10 | \3TATUK | Maybe something with 'unmarkauto' ? |
| 11:50.10 | judgen | tremon, yes |
| 11:50.42 | stew | "apt-get upgrade" wants to remove packages? I didn't think that was possible |
| 11:51.09 | tremon | it's probably because sysvinit is still marked essential:yes |
| 11:51.19 | tremon | no amount of pinning is going to work around that |
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| 11:51.45 | tard | Hello |
| 11:52.06 | tard | can someone pls help me connect to FTP server from debian |
| 11:52.13 | pparadis | \3TATUK: if what you're looking for is a minimal gnome desktop environment, see this --> http://paste.debian.net/178159/ (in this, evolution-data-server [or close to that] is required by core gnome stuff, but not evolution itself) |
| 11:52.18 | Calinou | <tard> can someone pls help me connect to FTP server from debian |
| 11:52.20 | Calinou | use a FTP client? |
| 11:52.22 | Calinou | there's plenty |
| 11:52.28 | tard | i have FTP link that i tryed on windows and its working |
| 11:52.30 | tremon | judgen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645540 |
| 11:52.40 | pparadis | nc 11.22.33.44 21 |
| 11:52.43 | pparadis | there ya go |
| 11:53.13 | tard | but i dont know where to put it on Debian(desktop) |
| 11:53.27 | pparadis | tard: in all seriousness, try the ftp command. "man ftp" for more info. |
| 11:54.46 | judgen | tremon, why did that link matter? "echo "sysvinit hold" | dpkg --set-selections" solved the problem. =D |
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| 11:54.52 | judgen | *happyface* |
| 11:54.54 | pparadis | tard: if you want a GUI app to do ftp, try searching the repositories with "apt-cache search" or synaptic. also, ftp is an outdated and insecure protocol, and you really shouldn't be using it at all for most purposes. please see sftp instead. |
| 11:55.33 | judgen | tremon, but i have to do that for every upgrade it seems. |
| 11:55.38 | pparadis | tard: also, you might consider doing "/nick somethingelse" |
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| 11:55.55 | \3TATUK | pparadis: That's along the lines of my interests, but as I have the full system installed .. I'm now trying to cherry-pick and purge specific unneeded packages, which ofter trigger gnome entirely :-/ |
| 11:55.59 | judgen | tremon, it would be nice if i were able to add it permanently to the preferences file. |
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| 11:57.06 | llg | tard: you can install filezilla. it's a gui client. |
| 11:57.10 | pparadis | \3TATUK: you have two options. either set a bunch of stuff to manually installed, or just remove the menu entry for evolution and call it good. the few MB of disk space it's taking up probably aren't the end of the world. |
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| 11:57.40 | pparadis | \3TATUK: basically, this is a case of "pick your battles" and "does this really matter?" |
| 11:57.48 | \3TATUK | pparadis: And how would I set stuff to 'manually installed' ? |
| 11:58.18 | roland | i will try to install filezila on ebian |
| 11:58.22 | pparadis | \3TATUK: quick question. after i recommended that, did you do a cursory google search for how to set things to manually installed with apt? |
| 11:58.29 | Calinou | "please see sftp instead." |
| 11:58.33 | Calinou | noone uses that :P |
| 11:58.42 | pparadis | Calinou: uh, are you high? |
| 11:58.48 | stew | seriously? |
| 11:58.54 | Calinou | never seen a single site use that |
| 11:59.08 | pparadis | Calinou: welcome to 10 years ago buddy. |
| 11:59.09 | Calinou | they all use FTP - or, by sftp, do you mean FTP over SSL? |
| 11:59.12 | roland | i just need to transfer 1 big file 1 time from debian to another server |
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| 11:59.18 | roland | i dont know how to use sftp |
| 11:59.19 | pparadis | Calinou: you can't possibly be serious. |
| 11:59.25 | Calinou | yes, I can |
| 11:59.26 | roland | im noob at these stuff |
| 11:59.30 | judgen | roland, nothing wrong with ftp. |
| 11:59.51 | Calinou | pparadis, so, is sftp FTP over SSL? |
| 11:59.52 | tremon | judgen: man apt_preferences |
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| 11:59.56 | proby | guys is upgrading from sid having riscks? |
| 11:59.56 | Calinou | if so, quit using confusing names |
| 11:59.59 | judgen | tremon, ok |
| 12:00.04 | \3TATUK | pparadis: No? Since we have a natural flow of conversation .. It's like saying someone needs to look into a dictionary every time their conversational partner says an unrecognized word :P |
| 12:00.06 | Calinou | proby, upgrading... FROM sid? |
| 12:00.15 | proby | using the sid repo :p |
| 12:00.20 | Calinou | oh |
| 12:00.26 | pparadis | Calinou: well, then you're an idiot. i don't normally use that language but i'm sorry, you are. in 15 years of major hosting operations, i'm confident i've seen a tad more than you, and that includes ops at large companies you've heard of. please educate yourself. |
| 12:00.32 | case_ | hello, have can I see if I need to reboot after doing an apt-get upgrade? (in console mode) |
| 12:00.43 | Calinou | ~obit pparadis |
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| 12:01.07 | proby | case_ yes |
| 12:01.23 | proby | so will sid brake things? |
| 12:01.40 | pparadis | Calinou: good luck with that. |
| 12:01.43 | case_ | proby: can you elaborate? :) |
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| 12:03.08 | proby | an upgrade installs new things so you must reboot to flush RAM and Reload the new installed components |
| 12:04.15 | pparadis | roland: see "scp" or "rsync" for what you're trying to do. |
| 12:04.36 | case_ | proby: I'm sure I don't need to reboot every time? |
| 12:04.48 | Calinou | proby, it sometimes breaks, yes |
| 12:04.52 | Calinou | case_, only in case of kernel updates |
| 12:05.00 | proby | yes |
| 12:05.16 | proby | driver updates also |
| 12:05.20 | proby | etc |
| 12:05.35 | proby | Calinou |
| 12:06.06 | case_ | Calinou: is there a program to check if a reboot is needed? I've seen this in Ubuntu |
| 12:06.22 | nkuttler | case_: you will see a message if you need to |
| 12:06.40 | Calinou | ^ |
| 12:06.48 | Calinou | even in command line IIRC :P |
| 12:07.19 | proby | i want to install a software that depends on libs that are not only available on sid and i don't want to install those depends i want them just to be available to the software on compilation then delete them is that possible? |
| 12:07.26 | pparadis | case_: you shouldn't need to reboot, in general, unless you've upgraded your kernel. there are some edge cases where a reboot might be advisable, and your config may be a bit off the norm possibly, but again in most cases reboots are only required for kernel upgrades. |
| 12:08.00 | case_ | nkuttler: do you know which program sends out the message? I'm in console mode |
| 12:08.06 | nkuttler | proby: what? install, compile, remove |
| 12:08.21 | proby | i want to compile then install |
| 12:08.23 | nkuttler | case_: you just read what's in your terminal |
| 12:08.30 | proby | without risking the sys stability |
| 12:08.53 | nkuttler | proby: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:09.09 | proby | am trying to compile a video game |
| 12:09.14 | proby | flight-gear |
| 12:09.17 | proby | simulation |
| 12:09.27 | nkuttler | proby: why don't you install the package? |
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| 12:09.48 | proby | nkuttler it is 1.9 , but the dev reaches 2.6 stable |
| 12:09.53 | nkuttler | ,v flightgear |
| 12:09.54 | judd | Package: flightgear on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.0-3+b1; squeeze: 1.9.1-1.1+b1; wheezy: 2.4.0-1.1; sid: 2.4.0-1.2 |
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| 12:09.55 | case_ | ok, thanks guys! |
| 12:10.37 | nkuttler | proby: i'd build a backport.. anyway, apt-get build-dep should get you what you need |
| 12:11.00 | engla | ,checkbackport flightgear |
| 12:11.01 | judd | Backporting package flightgear in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libopenscenegraph-dev (>> 3.0.0), simgear-dev (>= 2.4.0-1). |
| 12:11.02 | proby | nkuttler and this wont risk the stability of debian?? |
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| 12:12.41 | llg | bye |
| 12:12.46 | nkuttler | proby: looks like one of the build deps is not available in stable.. you'd probably have to backport that as well |
| 12:13.14 | nkuttler | actually, more than one |
| 12:13.17 | proby | nkuttler i think i will google what is backporting |
| 12:13.20 | proby | !backport |
| 12:13.21 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:13.51 | proby | !debian-backports |
| 12:13.52 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 12:14.10 | proby | ok thx |
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| 12:15.49 | engla | proby: checkbackport says it's not trivial so in this case it might turn out to be hard to install a newer verison in squeeze |
| 12:16.14 | proby | :( |
| 12:16.25 | proby | should i upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 12:17.04 | pparadis | Calinou: incidentally, welcome to 2012 --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol |
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| 12:18.52 | pparadis | !tell Calinou about sftp |
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| 12:23.29 | phogg | more like "welcome to the 21st century" -- ftp has been obsolete for a long time |
| 12:23.39 | pparadis | agreed. |
| 12:24.15 | pparadis | i think i mentioned 10 years earlier, and i think that's about right. haven't actually verified that, but from memory it seems approximately accurate :) |
| 12:25.02 | phogg | indeed |
| 12:25.22 | phogg | and, btw, there is an "ftp + ssl" - ftps, which is just as broken as ftp since it's the same protocol wrapped in ssl |
| 12:25.33 | pparadis | nod again, it's a pile of crap. |
| 12:25.34 | phogg | unlike sftp, which is completely different (and not nearly so crazy) |
| 12:25.49 | pparadis | friends don't let friends use ftp, or ftps. |
| 12:26.34 | phogg | I read an article once which said that Ethernet would never die because anything that came along to replace it would also be called Ethernet, and in fact this has happened several times. |
| 12:26.39 | nevyn | well it's not broken. in passive mode |
| 12:26.40 | phogg | The same can be said for ftp. |
| 12:26.41 | nevyn | etc etc |
| 12:26.54 | phogg | nevyn: I invite you to read the RFCs and say that again. |
| 12:27.03 | pparadis | nevyn: you don't want to open this can, my friend. :) |
| 12:27.06 | nevyn | heh |
| 12:28.04 | pparadis | yanks it away from nevyn and immediately kills it with fire --> http://frm.li/4FtdVm |
| 12:29.04 | nevyn | fire? |
| 12:29.18 | pparadis | okay, fine. i'll nuke it from orbit, just to be sure. |
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| 12:30.24 | nevyn | so imho the primary brokenness of ftp and telnet is clear text authentication |
| 12:30.33 | stew | nevyn: /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
| 12:31.05 | nevyn | the whole control and data tcp connection etc etc.. is ugly but not.. as bad as the above imo |
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| 12:52.19 | hell_razer | hello, i have question about vps/vds hosting, now my server located at http://www.linode.com , but i found an http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5 with unreal cost differens, can you give me any feedbacks? |
| 12:52.55 | pparadis | hell_razer: i used to work linode, so i'm not a neutral party. that said, i can provide some advice if you want. |
| 12:53.01 | pparadis | s/work/work for/ |
| 12:53.12 | pparadis | i'm the guy that started the linode library. |
| 12:56.05 | hell_razer | pparadis: now i have Linode 1024 with 39$ plan, i need more, second is 59$, but hetzner for 59 euro have x24 more ram and other parametrs |
| 12:56.16 | hell_razer | pparadis: i can not undestand that |
| 12:57.12 | hell_razer | pparadis: during 3 year 4 vds at linode, evrything is ok, great support, but how other provider can give so more resources |
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| 12:57.33 | ompaul | hell_razer: the economics of data centres and the free market allow for different models |
| 12:57.52 | pparadis | hell_razer: you need to consider a couple of things. first, with a provider like linode you don't have to worry about the underlying hardware nearly as much as with most dedicated setups. second, you have the ability to migrate seamlessly between datacenters on three continents if you need to. third, integrated backup functionality that provably works is a big deal for many people. |
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| 12:58.47 | pparadis | fourth, many providers will outright lie about the resources you actually get, especially in terms of data transfer. linode won't lie about it. |
| 12:59.13 | pparadis | many providers make promises, and then turn around and decide to cancel your account if you actually start using what they promised. |
| 12:59.20 | pparadis | it's rampant in the indusrry. |
| 12:59.26 | pparadis | industry, even. |
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| 13:00.24 | pparadis | _any_ provider that claims you will get unlimited traffic is outright lying. i promise you i could rent the box you're looking at right now, throw a couple of debian or other distro mirrors on it, and my account would be cancelled within a week or two. |
| 13:01.07 | pparadis | the only exception to this is unmetered deals on some port speeds, but unmetered at 1 Gbit/sec at that price is bullcrap. |
| 13:01.18 | pparadis | they're simply lying. |
| 13:01.40 | pparadis | hell_razer: go with who you want, but consider the above. |
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| 13:03.34 | pparadis | hell_razer: hahaha, i just read the "*" on their "unlimited traffic" promise. what a joke. |
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| 13:06.28 | hell_razer | pparadis: i have just 10-20 gb traffic per month, i need a lot of ram for running soft, will high ram usage and cpu load cancel my accoount at hetzner? |
| 13:06.38 | hell_razer | what do you think? |
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| 13:07.42 | pparadis | hell_razer: with a dedicated server, i wouldn't be concerned about the memory and cpu load. that said, i would be concerned about what happens when drives go bad in that server, how quickly they might get replaced, what exactly the backup service even does to begin with, and how much CPU power you're actually getting. |
| 13:08.21 | pparadis | hell_razer: also, if you only have 10-20 GB of traffic per month, you might want to seriously look at why you're using as much memory as you are. |
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| 13:08.48 | pparadis | hell_razer: you may well be better off focusing on optimizing your memory utliization instead of looking for another provider. |
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| 13:09.12 | hell_razer | pparadis: 20 gb postgres with 24/7 usage |
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| 13:09.48 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:10.15 | hell_razer | pparadis: at hetzner i think i can make sothing like ram disk with replication to hdd, and forget about database lags) |
| 13:10.19 | DexterF | I need to mount an LVM volume in a chroot session - how can I pass the "original" OS' LVM info to the chroot? |
| 13:10.33 | pparadis | hell_razer: well, if you're indeed hitting a memory ceiling on a DB server like that, and you can't reduce it reasonable, you need to consider either moving to a larger linode or taking a risk elsewhere. |
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| 13:10.59 | hell_razer | pparadis: risk is bad, but so tasta vds config) |
| 13:11.33 | hell_razer | DexterF: mount -o bind /some/real/os /some/chroot/dir somthing like this |
| 13:11.39 | pparadis | hell_razer: um, if you're even considering something like "ram disk with replication to hdd" for a production postgresql server, you don't need to be here. you need to hire someone to manage this for you instead. what you just mentioned is a horrible idea to begin with, and reeks of snake oil to boot. |
| 13:13.28 | DexterF | hell_razer: ...or just mount it before chrooting :D |
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| 13:16.44 | Blwch | So, I wanna dual boot Debian and Windows XP. |
| 13:17.09 | Blwch | I assume I install XP first, and then the expert installer for Debian testing will detect my patition? |
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| 13:20.03 | hell_razer | Blwch: 99%, but dont forget to isntall os-prober (some wheeze doesnt do it by default) and update-grub for creating bootloader with windows |
| 13:21.10 | skaman | hi guys? i don't know if i'm OT here but i've some troubles to understand how use dh_make over a VCS instead of with a normal tar.gz |
| 13:21.11 | Blwch | hell_razer: Alright, thanks. |
| 13:21.21 | skaman | anyone know if exist some docs about the argument? |
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| 13:22.46 | skaman | because for now i prepared a git repo with an upstream branch.. and a main branch.. now i need to add the base debian compiling structure to the main branch |
| 13:23.01 | skaman | so i can use git-dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 13:23.14 | skaman | but i'm stuck on dh_make |
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| 13:24.19 | skaman | it always look for the package orig.tar.gz |
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| 13:41.22 | stephan48 | hi is there a way to speedlimit a connection via iptables? f.e. when a vpn client connects it should only be able to download with 100kb/s as an example or |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | judd: info trickle --release squeeze |
| 13:41.54 | judd | Package trickle (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: user-space bandwidth shaper. Version: 1.07-9; Size: 36.1k; Installed: 156k |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | stephan48: or perhaps look at wondershaper |
| 13:42.43 | abrotman | wondershaper would be a better plcae to start |
| 13:42.52 | aguitel | when wheezy become stable ? |
| 13:43.22 | abrotman | when the RC bugs are gone |
| 13:43.42 | aguitel | to much time? |
| 13:43.57 | abrotman | depends how many bugs you fix |
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| 13:49.39 | stephan48 | abrotman: thanks, brief look at ws suggests that it is the tool i want |
| 13:49.42 | stephan48 | thanks! |
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| 13:53.26 | aleminio | hey guys, i've got a few noobish question about linux. first of all, when i create a user, how can i limit him just to his default user folder? |
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| 13:53.32 | raptor67682 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.35 | raptor67682 | wheezy/sid |
| 13:53.37 | raptor67682 | what does it mean? |
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| 13:53.44 | raptor67682 | It is sid or wheezy? |
| 13:53.55 | raptor67682 | I have in my sources.list the wheezy only |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | raptor67682: the file is set that way because wheezy is still being developed |
| 13:55.45 | abrotman | aleminio: Which Linux are you using? |
| 13:56.40 | raptor67682 | abrotman: come on |
| 13:56.46 | aleminio | on my server - centos |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:56.50 | raptor67682 | abrotman: please change that ... that's not a MESS debian |
| 13:56.51 | abrotman | aleminio: so ask #centos |
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| 13:57.06 | abrotman | raptor67682: you can change it to anything you'd like |
| 13:57.14 | abrotman | aleminio: or ask ##linux |
| 13:57.30 | raptor67682 | a distro is a distro... so the name shall be wheezy. point |
| 13:57.35 | pparadis | raptor67682: it doesn't work that way. |
| 13:57.45 | abrotman | raptor67682: i'm sorry you don't have a clue how Debian works, but it's perfectly fine |
| 13:57.46 | aleminio | isn't it the same on all distributions? |
| 13:57.51 | pparadis | raptor67682: it _has_ to be wheezy/sid during development of testing. |
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| 13:58.08 | abrotman | aleminio: this channel is to support Debian, try #centos or ##linux, thank you. |
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| 13:59.03 | raptor67682 | abrotman: maybe I dont know. ok. I agree. SID will be always there. and testing has a name: wheezy for the moment |
| 13:59.23 | abrotman | raptor67682: so change the file if you don't like it .. no one will notice but you |
| 13:59.36 | abrotman | raptor67682: as wheezy gets closer to release, that file will be changed to say 'wheezy' |
| 13:59.49 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.12 | pparadis | raptor67682: why are you still talking about this? |
| 14:00.15 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.31 | pparadis | yes, it does make sense. you don't understand how debian works. that's the problem. |
| 14:00.41 | raptor67682 | to keep differnet labelling at different locations. |
| 14:01.08 | pparadis | raptor67682: you are running a _testing_ release that up until the freeze was continuously updated with packages from sid. does it make any more sense to you now? |
| 14:01.36 | raptor67682 | sid is the unstable. wheezy, or now testing, is the testing. so that s why you placed wheezy/sid cuz it is still behing under-dvlpts |
| 14:01.50 | pparadis | raptor67682: you are running a _testing_ release that up until the freeze was continuously updated with packages from sid. does it make any more sense to you now? |
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| 14:02.27 | raptor67682 | pparadis: and it is a wheezy. ... we know that. But it ought to get its own name not sid since lsb-release say wheezy |
| 14:02.32 | pparadis | CowboyNeal: howdy :) |
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| 14:02.48 | raptor67682 | furthermore, sources.list is also with wheezy... so why to differ |
| 14:02.52 | raptor67682 | for mess. |
| 14:02.53 | pparadis | raptor67682: once again, wheezy is _testing_ and is not a stable release. |
| 14:03.08 | niklaswe | how can i fix this problem.. "mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition!"... |
| 14:03.14 | raptor67682 | pparadis: sure. testing = wheezy for hte moment |
| 14:03.26 | abrotman | raptor67682: jesus, just change the file to whatever you want it to say |
| 14:03.40 | pparadis | raptor67682: and once again (again), you need to learn how the debian development cycle actually works, how releases work, etc. you're only continuing to prove that you have no interest in understanding why things work this way. |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | raptor67682: you can have the file say "Best Distro EVAR!!!" |
| 14:04.02 | raptor67682 | abrotman: I just wanna help the debian dev. you have a confusing content of your /etc/debian_package. shall be changed for good for all |
| 14:04.26 | pparadis | indeed, try this: echo 'wahwahwah i like bananas' > /etc/debian_version |
| 14:04.27 | raptor67682 | abrotman: it is actually, the best distro ever ;) really |
| 14:04.28 | pparadis | have fun. |
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| 14:04.45 | abrotman | raptor67682: so wait six months, the file will be 'fixed' |
| 14:05.09 | pparadis | raptor67682: i'll tell you what. as soon as you're a DD, you can get right on "fixing" that. |
| 14:05.10 | raptor67682 | I dont like mess. that's why I use debian. so that I considered I could help there on this file. |
| 14:05.14 | raptor67682 | by the way... |
| 14:05.19 | pparadis | you are not helping anything. |
| 14:05.23 | raptor67682 | What about deb making ? |
| 14:05.36 | pparadis | there is nothing to help on this. there is nothing broken or confusing about it. |
| 14:05.47 | raptor67682 | - I have found out some debs that are stating non necessary dependencies... what to do? |
| 14:05.56 | nkuttler | raptor67682: file a bug |
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| 14:05.58 | pparadis | are you sure about that? |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | raptor67682: they're likely Recommends |
| 14:06.09 | pparadis | or are you confusing recommends with dependancies? |
| 14:06.13 | raptor67682 | the debs making shall be really checked more seriously |
| 14:06.18 | raptor67682 | that s really worse and worse |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | raptor67682: they're likely Recommends |
| 14:06.22 | raptor67682 | by the time |
| 14:06.22 | pparadis | raptor67682: now i think you're a troll. |
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| 14:06.33 | abrotman | pparadis: no, he's serious .. sadly |
| 14:06.36 | pparadis | wow |
| 14:06.55 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.11 | raptor67682 | was not like that before |
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| 14:07.16 | skaman | raptor67682: debian have his standard during the developing, and even if you're right or not the standard say that the right name for now is "wheezy/sid"? if you change it now you're going to make the mess :) |
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| 14:07.39 | skaman | because the developer who know are debian work.. the expect to see wheezy/sid in this phase of development |
| 14:07.40 | raptor67682 | some debs are requiring libtorrent ... ha ha |
| 14:07.45 | abrotman | raptor67682: which package do you believe has an unneccesary dependency? |
| 14:07.47 | skaman | *how debian work |
| 14:07.49 | pparadis | raptor67682: you can change your apt preferences to avoid installing recommends packages, or you can use command line switches with apt-get or aptitude to avoid it as well. |
| 14:07.52 | raptor67682 | what a real mess your debs testing ... |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | raptor67682: which package do you believe has an unneccesary dependency? |
| 14:08.06 | pparadis | raptor67682: so stop using it. |
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| 14:09.30 | raptor67682 | (I must go. sorry. It really makes me depress when I see some debs) |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | bye! |
| 14:09.43 | pparadis | !next |
| 14:09.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 14:09.56 | skaman | :) |
| 14:10.04 | dawud | at last |
| 14:10.29 | raptor67682 | (sorry for my remarks. I have any bad comments against debian. I know you work hard on dev and merging ) |
| 14:10.46 | raptor67682 | (sorry for my remarks. I haveNT any bad comments against debian. I know you work hard on dev and merging ) |
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| 14:13.20 | dawud | oh, wow, apt-transport-spacewalk |
| 14:14.18 | getar1 | pff that doesn't do anything |
| 14:14.39 | dawud | pff? |
| 14:15.08 | getar1 | pfft |
| 14:15.17 | dawud | pfft? |
| 14:15.22 | getar1 | some onomanopia |
| 14:15.28 | getar1 | however you spell that |
| 14:15.34 | dawud | meaning? |
| 14:15.41 | getar1 | onomatopoeia |
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| 14:15.52 | dawud | ah. now i got that :) |
| 14:16.02 | dawud | vaporware, you mean |
| 14:16.03 | getar1 | meaning a sound you make to express no way pah-lease |
| 14:16.05 | getar1 | haha |
| 14:17.48 | dawud | so it would be quite useless, in your opinion, to be able to update RHEL/CentOS/Fedora/Debian against a single proxy cacher? |
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| 14:18.55 | getar1 | how do i go about making an image to boot to a diskless host via pxe? |
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| 14:19.06 | jelly-home | dawud: and also provide custom repo configuration? |
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| 14:19.12 | judgen | can i install libssl0.9.8 somehow in SID? |
| 14:19.21 | getar1 | woops clicked close on accident |
| 14:19.59 | nkuttler | judgen: forward port it? |
| 14:20.03 | dawud | jelly-home: with a little help from, say, puppet, yes, I guess it can be done. I like 'pulp' better, anyway |
| 14:20.14 | pparadis | judgen: no. |
| 14:20.37 | pparadis | judgen: not from the repositories, and not without risking breaking other things. |
| 14:21.15 | nkuttler | judgen: you can try tp get the stable sources and build them on your box. from the repository.. |
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| 14:21.49 | dawud | *goes afk* |
| 14:22.06 | judgen | hmmm, i know i have a more recent version installed, but i was going to try out spotify.linux client. And that requires the older version. Is there no way to force it to use the newer? |
| 14:22.44 | nkuttler | judgen: talk to spotify support |
| 14:23.08 | judgen | nkuttler, It is in beta, so it is not supported yet |
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| 14:23.17 | pparadis | it's not supported here, either. |
| 14:24.23 | judgen | wonder why it is not possible to have both... |
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| 14:25.20 | judgen | oh i can?! |
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| 14:25.23 | judgen | sweet |
| 14:26.04 | Gargantua | I was wondering if I can download something from the unstable repos to my squeezy? |
| 14:26.13 | stew | Gargantua: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:26.24 | Gargantua | thx |
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| 14:27.39 | judgen | yup now spotify works like a charm |
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| 14:29.43 | Ormu1 | hello |
| 14:30.47 | Ormu1 | is the initial SSH server key generated randomly during installation of SSH server? or should I generate a new one? |
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| 14:37.05 | abrotman | Ormu1: the former |
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| 14:39.13 | Ormu1 | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 14:43.00 | BlaDe^ | hi, i'm creating a daemon in PHP.. i guess following other daemons i should create a pid file |
| 14:43.21 | BlaDe^ | what's the safest way to enable PHP to do that? right now the daemon runs as www-data, should I chgroup /var/run or what? |
| 14:43.26 | BlaDe^ | right now everthing is root:root in there |
| 14:43.27 | pparadis | BlaDe^: please see #php |
| 14:43.32 | BlaDe^ | it's not really a php question :) |
| 14:43.41 | pparadis | yeah, it is. it's definitely not a debian question. |
| 14:43.46 | BlaDe^ | how do you figure that |
| 14:43.56 | pparadis | explain how it's a debian-specific question. |
| 14:43.58 | BlaDe^ | i'm asking a safe way to create a pid file on debian for another group |
| 14:44.02 | BlaDe^ | not debian as such, but linux |
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| 14:45.02 | pparadis | right, that's not debian-specific at all, and what you're asking about is a language facility of php that can actually only be done if you're running it as root in the first place, because you can't create a file as another user otherwise. |
| 14:45.12 | pparadis | so i advise you to /join #php |
| 14:45.22 | BlaDe^ | if you prefer, we can use my account as an example.. i'll rephrase |
| 14:45.53 | BlaDe^ | i'm trying to "touch /var/run/myuser.pid" and get permission denied... should I change the group/owner of /var/run or is that not recommended? |
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| 14:47.06 | j0sh747 | most pids are root:root aren't they? |
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| 14:47.20 | BlaDe^ | j0sh747: yep |
| 14:47.29 | BlaDe^ | but i don't want to run any scripts as root |
| 14:49.12 | pparadis | BlaDe^: generally speaking, many daemons start as root and drop privileges shortly thereafter by switching to another UID/GID. but again, this is off-topic for this channel. |
| 14:49.24 | pparadis | BlaDe^: please consult #linux or #php for further information. |
| 14:49.30 | BlaDe^ | ok, thanks |
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| 14:59.59 | PaulePanter | I see the following. |
| 15:00.00 | PaulePanter | $ ps aux | grep 101 |
| 15:00.01 | PaulePanter | 101 2309 0.0 0.0 7392 944 ? Ss 08:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 15:00.11 | PaulePanter | $ LANG=C groups 101 |
| 15:00.11 | PaulePanter | groups: 101: No such user |
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| 15:00.37 | PaulePanter | So why does the exim4 daemon have that strange user name? |
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| 15:02.41 | asarch | Where is pdksh in testing? |
| 15:03.26 | pparadis | PaulePanter: grep 101 /etc/passwd |
| 15:03.39 | pparadis | PaulePanter: you're misinterpreting ps output. |
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| 15:04.40 | pparadis | asarch: it isn't there. |
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| 15:05.22 | marco | !ciao |
| 15:05.23 | dpkg | hmm... ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 15:05.29 | marco | !list |
| 15:05.30 | dpkg | marco: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:09.57 | PaulePanter | pparadis: Thanks. True there is `Debian-exim:x:101:103::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false`. |
| 15:10.33 | PaulePanter | pparadis: So why is it not translated to `Debian-exim`? |
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| 15:11.32 | asarch | It used to be there :-( |
| 15:12.21 | PaulePanter | asarch: sid (unstable) (oldlibs): transitional dummy package to migrate from pdksh to mksh |
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| 15:12.27 | PaulePanter | asarch: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pdksh |
| 15:12.32 | PaulePanter | asarch: So use mksh! |
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| 15:20.47 | asarch | Can you use a package from stable in testing? If yes, how? |
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| 15:21.38 | asarch | Bingo! dpkg -i /home/asarch/Downloads/pdksh_5.2.14-25_i386.deb |
| 15:21.40 | asarch | :-P |
| 15:22.00 | Calinou | yes, you can, you just answered yourself |
| 15:22.11 | asarch | Thank you Calinou |
| 15:22.13 | Calinou | :} |
| 15:22.16 | asarch | Thank you very much |
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| 15:22.27 | asarch | BRB! Let's change the shell |
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| 15:23.49 | Calinou | o,O what? |
| 15:23.56 | Calinou | inb4 he breaks his system |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | what? |
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| 15:24.45 | Calinou | <asarch> BRB! Let's change the shell |
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| 15:25.32 | abrotman | his comment made sense .. yours did not |
| 15:26.04 | Calinou | and? why would he change his shell? |
| 15:26.16 | sney | some people don't like bash |
| 15:26.24 | abrotman | i meant your inb4 |
| 15:26.28 | sougata | Hi, I am kind of new to Debian. I want to install a old kernel 2.6.21, are there some old packages available or are there some place where I can get the kernel configs |
| 15:26.42 | abrotman | sougata: there are, but they may or may not work .. why would you want an older kernel ? |
| 15:26.47 | Calinou | sougata, you could install/compile your own kernel. |
| 15:26.57 | Calinou | abrotman, "inb4" > "before it's mentioned or it happens" |
| 15:27.12 | abrotman | that's the dumbest shortening i've seen yet |
| 15:27.17 | sougata | abrotman: I need to port a module for older kernel |
| 15:27.17 | Dmitrijus | sougata: your kernel's config should be in /boot |
| 15:27.21 | Calinou | that's called a meme, sorry |
| 15:27.26 | sougata | Dmitrijus: :-) |
| 15:27.26 | abrotman | still dumb |
| 15:27.29 | sougata | I know that |
| 15:27.36 | abrotman | sougata: i'd use a VM for that .. and see snapshot.debian.org |
| 15:28.01 | Dmitrijus | sougata: oh, sorry, not sure what you were asking |
| 15:28.03 | abrotman | sougata: i mean, i'd *really* use a VM for that |
| 15:28.05 | sougata | abrotman: I am using that, TY I was just looking for that site |
| 15:28.36 | sougata | abrotman: Thank a lot :-) |
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| 15:32.50 | D-Boy | How to know if an installed debian is a 32bits or 64bits ? |
| 15:33.01 | Calinou | uname -a... well afaik |
| 15:33.17 | abrotman | D-Boy: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:33.28 | PaulePanter | D-Boy: dpkgdpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:33.29 | Calinou | the average linuxian strikes again |
| 15:33.33 | Calinou | PaulePanter, fail |
| 15:33.37 | PaulePanter | True. |
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| 15:33.42 | D-Boy | thx guys ^^ |
| 15:34.04 | D-Boy | i386 means 32bits ? what's the word for 64bits ? |
| 15:34.04 | D-Boy | amd ? |
| 15:34.06 | PaulePanter | D-Boy: You can have 32-bit userspace and a 64-bit Linux kernel. |
| 15:34.11 | PaulePanter | D-Boy: amd64 |
| 15:34.30 | D-Boy | ok, thx again |
| 15:34.38 | Calinou | i386 > 32 bit, amd64 > 64 bit |
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| 15:41.55 | hell_razer | i am looking for some rcconf gui analog for systemd |
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| 15:50.40 | steinex | hi. just a quick question: is there the slightest possibility that compiz will be back in testing before wheezy is released? |
| 15:50.55 | Ticho | can someone help me modifying the new format of slapd configuration ? |
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| 15:51.42 | Calinou | steinex, why? what is the current WM used anyway? |
| 15:51.44 | Calinou | doesn't know |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | steinex: /msg dpkg why is compiz not in testing |
| 15:52.21 | steinex | abrotman: i have seen http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/compiz.html |
| 15:52.31 | steinex | that doesn't give a hint on if it will come back, though |
| 15:52.46 | steinex | Calinou: GNOME3, but I'd like to use xfce/compiz |
| 15:53.04 | steinex | hard drive in my work workstation failed today so i thought about going to wheezy directly. |
| 15:53.12 | steinex | but no compiz, no joy :/ |
| 15:53.35 | abrotman | steinex: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
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| 15:53.55 | steinex | yep, seen that too |
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| 15:57.55 | Calinou | steinex, you can install xfce freely, yes |
| 15:57.58 | Calinou | I have xfce on wheezy |
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| 15:58.04 | Calinou | I can use 3D effects & stuff too |
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| 15:58.39 | abrotman | Calinou: you realize that has nothing to do with his question? |
| 15:58.49 | Calinou | no, and? |
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| 15:59.07 | Calinou | that's what he wanted. |
| 15:59.16 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 15:59.31 | abrotman | he's specifically asking about compiz |
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| 15:59.51 | Calinou | and? |
| 15:59.57 | Calinou | what does xfce use by default? |
| 16:00.15 | abrotman | he's specifically asking about compiz |
| 16:01.00 | steinex | i was asking about compiz. i know that xfwm4 has some tiny composition effects too, but nothing to compare the features of compiz with. |
| 16:01.10 | ws2k3 | hi i'm looking for a proxy server for just and only parsing http traffic do i still need squid? because squid has alot of options to configure and stuff. i only need a basic proxy thats it |
| 16:01.13 | steinex | (e.g. the desktop-grid plugin) |
| 16:01.47 | abrotman | ws2k3: have you done the 'apt-cache search web proxy' and looked athte results ? |
| 16:02.01 | steinex | ws2k3: i can recommend pound or nginx. |
| 16:02.10 | steinex | pound is very simple. |
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| 16:02.39 | abrotman | steinex: you could append that bug and ask if it seems likely that compiz would enter wheezy before release .. at this point, i'd say it doesn't look very likely |
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| 16:02.55 | steinex | abrotman: though so. well thanks anyway. |
| 16:03.09 | steinex | i can probably backport it from sid for myself anyway |
| 16:03.20 | ws2k3 | ok thanks! |
| 16:03.42 | Calinou | <steinex> i was asking about compiz. i know that xfwm4 has some tiny composition effects too, but nothing to compare the features of compiz with. |
| 16:03.47 | Calinou | who gives a F about 3D cube |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | steinex: yeah, that seems fairly appropriate in this case |
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| 16:04.01 | abrotman | Calinou: if you're not going to be helpful, just please be quiet |
| 16:04.27 | steinex | Calinou: It is not about the 3D-cube. It is about some rather nice plugins, like the possibility to have a imaginary grid on your workspace to automatically place windows, etc. |
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| 16:08.48 | Calinou | abrotman, YANOSYCDA |
| 16:08.51 | Calinou | :} |
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| 16:10.15 | abrotman | Calinou: take a break, try to be less noise, more signal. Thank you |
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| 16:23.23 | dlynes | Anyone know what the [migration/1] task is in wheezy? |
| 16:24.04 | dlynes | It's using up 66.6% of my cpu at the moment...seems kinda ominous |
| 16:24.58 | dlynes | It makes Gnome3 almost completely unusable, and it makes xfce very latent |
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| 16:38.43 | Calinou | \o/ |
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| 16:45.30 | judgen | I know whis might be a stupid question as i have read alot of forums about this issue, but is it possible to force flashplugin to use pulseaudio somehow? As it locks down alsa so that i can not hear any other sounds whilst using flash video, for instance youtube. |
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| 16:47.13 | abrotman | doesn't get that problem .. he uses adobe flash, and can play more than two sounds at once |
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| 16:48.10 | Diopter | judgen: Yes it's possible. The easiest way is to just make the flash ALSA plug be the default ALSA device. |
| 16:48.23 | Diopter | judgen: Then things that talk to pulse will talk to pulse, and things that only talk to ALSA will still talk to pulse |
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| 16:50.03 | judgen | Diopter, How do i achieve this? |
| 16:50.27 | Diopter | judgen: Well, the pulseaudio package has a file, /usr/share/pulse-alsa.conf, that's supposed to do it for you |
| 16:50.38 | Diopter | judgen: I think it might not exist on squeeze though |
| 16:50.43 | Diopter | judgen: Check? |
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| 16:52.02 | judgen | Diopter, i run triple boot, squeeze, wheezy and sid. |
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| 16:52.10 | judgen | i will do a check (currently on sid) |
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| 16:52.47 | judgen | nope no such file |
| 16:52.52 | ivo_ | <judgen>, don't you have anything to do?? |
| 16:53.28 | judgen | ivo_, what do you mean? |
| 16:53.43 | ivo_ | why will you want to run 3 OS on one PC |
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| 16:53.56 | ivo_ | it is wate of time to rebooot and stuff |
| 16:53.59 | judgen | Because it is fun? |
| 16:54.04 | ivo_ | fun :D |
| 16:54.20 | ivo_ | fun ... to reboot all the time?? |
| 16:54.33 | judgen | on my other computer i run BeOS, Haiku, Windows, OS/2 and Debian. |
| 16:54.44 | judgen | i did not say i use them all daily. |
| 16:54.48 | abrotman | ivo_: what does it matter .. it's his box |
| 16:54.56 | ivo_ | it is just strange |
| 16:55.13 | abrotman | no it's not, it's curiousity |
| 16:55.26 | judgen | indeed |
| 16:55.44 | ivo_ | if you say so :) |
| 16:55.47 | ivo_ | I just use VMs |
| 16:55.52 | judgen | also in the debian case, i really like to compare the differences between the realeases. |
| 16:55.58 | ivo_ | nope I didn't bike today |
| 16:56.07 | ivo_ | wrong windows |
| 16:56.33 | judgen | ivo_, Things like hardware compatibillity with my gfx cards and such is rather hard to do with a VM afaik. |
| 16:57.00 | judgen | not that it matters for my problem though. |
| 16:57.14 | Diopter | judgen: Cool. Can you check dpkg -L pulseaudio | grep alsa\.conf |
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| 16:58.33 | judgen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.41 | judgen | indeed i had one there. |
| 16:58.51 | alfplayer | I think it should be set in /etc/asound.conf |
| 16:58.53 | Diopter | judgen: Doh, I left out the /alsa/ part of the path when I told you |
| 16:59.35 | alfplayer | something like this http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/12077 |
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| 17:00.02 | alfplayer | "type pulse" |
| 17:00.33 | Diopter | alfplayer: Yes, you can put it in /etc/asound.conf. Or ~/.asoundrc |
| 17:00.47 | Diopter | alfplayer: But the one in /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf is supposed to accomplish it for you |
| 17:01.15 | alfplayer | oh, ok |
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| 17:26.53 | hotwings | when apt-get installing something, is there a way to pass an answer to a question it may ask so the install can be automated instead of wait for user input? |
| 17:27.36 | pjc_ | hotwings: -y |
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| 17:27.46 | abrotman | he means the debconf questions |
| 17:28.04 | abrotman | hotwings: debconf-set-selectoins |
| 17:28.07 | abrotman | selections |
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| 17:29.16 | subthalamus | I'm trying to change console font on a a VPS running squeeze; setfont throws error "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
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| 17:30.17 | subthalamus | anybody able to help please? |
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| 17:31.06 | hotwings | thanks fellas, will look into that |
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| 17:34.43 | grandie | is it possible to setup a dual monitor operation on the command line? |
| 17:34.56 | dondelelcaro | grandie: yes |
| 17:35.00 | dondelelcaro | grandie: using xrandr |
| 17:35.22 | dondelelcaro | grandie: assuming that you mean using X, but still doing so from the command line |
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| 17:37.13 | grandie | dondelelcaro: that's all i have on one of my computers, no x or windows |
| 17:37.17 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: well, are you on a console? |
| 17:37.42 | SNow | Hi I have 24G of ram, 14Gb are cached and mysql cannot use when needed |
| 17:37.48 | SNow | how can I put it out of cache? |
| 17:37.49 | dondelelcaro | grandie: well, if you want multiple monitors, you generally need to be using X. It may be possible to do using fbdev, but it's not something I know. |
| 17:38.00 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with an alternative |
| 17:38.07 | thewanderer1 | SNow: cached memory will be freed whenever it's needed |
| 17:38.07 | dondelelcaro | SNow: uh... mysql will use that ram. You may not have mysql configured to use it, however. |
| 17:38.23 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: perhaps I'm not understanding the question? |
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| 17:38.42 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: how are you logged on to the server? where do you type the command to set the font? |
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| 17:39.08 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: SSHed in via putty32? |
| 17:39.14 | grandie | dondelelcaro: thanks, it is something i need to play with, i just wanted to know if someone else had it working. |
| 17:39.15 | SNow | dondelelcaro: thewanderer1 I get fork cannot allocate memory, and when I do free -m I see 14GB cached! |
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| 17:39.22 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: this is a VPS in a data center far away |
| 17:39.45 | dondelelcaro | SNow: is this machine running an amd64 kernel? and an amd64 userland? |
| 17:40.10 | dondelelcaro | SNow: what does dmesg say? |
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| 17:40.27 | SNow | amd64 |
| 17:40.37 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: PuTTY works by transmitting text over the network and rendering it locally. setfont is for Linux's built-in virtual console implementation that displays text using the server's local graphics card... |
| 17:40.45 | SNow | dondelelcaro: dmesg nothing, amd64 |
| 17:40.50 | dondelelcaro | SNow: amd64 what? |
| 17:41.01 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: if you want to change the font, configure PuTTY |
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| 17:41.26 | SNow | 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 22:29:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:41.28 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I have configured putty, my problem is with pyroscope's extended interface |
| 17:41.47 | dondelelcaro | SNow: and dpkg --print-architecture? |
| 17:41.56 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I need to change the console's font to ummmm 1sec |
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| 17:42.26 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: you can still only do it via your SSH client - SSH does *not* transmit the glyph renderings themselves |
| 17:42.34 | SNow | dondelelcaro: amd64 |
| 17:42.38 | SNow | dondelelcaro: Intel I7 |
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| 17:42.44 | tremon | I see dead distro's |
| 17:43.19 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I think I'm seeing your point but I'm now more confused instead of less |
| 17:43.43 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: basically, there are certain characters that are blocks instead of properly rendered... |
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| 17:44.10 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: have you tried setting PuTTY's encoding to UTF-8? I recall it has some strange default setting |
| 17:44.27 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: first thing I did :( |
| 17:44.30 | dondelelcaro | SNow: well, the error doesn't make much sense. What is the precise error? what does your my.cnf have? what exactly gave the error? what is the output of cat /proc/pidofmysql/maps? |
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| 17:45.07 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I guess I can uninstall setfont then... |
| 17:45.22 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: then you'll need to force PuTTY to use a different font - perhaps use a client which supports more fonts, too? (Bitvise Tunnelier has been better at displaying chars for me, YMMV) |
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| 17:45.33 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: your guess is correct |
| 17:45.57 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: the thing is, the instructions are fairly specific about which font to set in putty and which to set on console |
| 17:46.34 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: unfortunately, it doesnt specify how the setting of console font should be accomplished |
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| 17:47.00 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: you're not working on a console when you're logged on over SSH |
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| 17:47.34 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: urm, I should say terminal I guess |
| 17:48.48 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: well, if you really need it to display 100% properly, I suppose you should be using a Debian machine as the client with a proper terminal application capable of displaying those glyphs |
| 17:49.22 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: or you could obtain the font files for the needed font and load it into the client, if possible |
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| 17:50.16 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: your second line intrigues me, could you give more details please? |
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| 17:50.33 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: this is what I'm talking about here https://code.google.com/p/pyroscope/wiki/RtorrentExtendedCanvas#Setting_up_your_terminal |
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| 17:51.18 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: does setting "DejaVu Sans Mono", as advised in the help page, not work? |
| 17:51.55 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: it is set, and that is why 97% of the interface renders properly now |
| 17:52.06 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: before it was just garbage |
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| 17:52.34 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: but terminal side you're supposed to set another font |
| 17:52.41 | subthalamus | um still looking |
| 17:53.18 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: again, the terminal does not transmit font information to the client - SSH just sends a stream of characters |
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| 17:53.57 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I heard you, just still confused and looking for that line |
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| 17:54.38 | thewanderer1 | maybe the font that PuTTY comes with is incomplete - you could try finding the font file and replacing it with a better version (I'm no font expert though, wouldn't know where to find that) |
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| 17:54.54 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I actually to install that font |
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| 17:55.00 | subthalamus | *had |
| 17:55.30 | thewanderer1 | oh... that might be the issue, maybe it was a trimmed-down version with some chars removed? |
| 17:55.37 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: "Inconsolata" is supposed to be set in terminal |
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| 17:56.45 | SNow | dondelelcaro: I have lenny here, I think i'll updata to squeeze, but not sure how to do that properly |
| 17:57.11 | ompaul | !tell SNow about lenny -> squeeze |
| 17:57.19 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: it's available as an otf file (TrueType successor?), maybe you can make PuTTY load that |
| 17:57.28 | ompaul | !tell SNow about lenny->squeeze |
| 17:57.45 | ompaul | SNow: please see your message from the bot |
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| 17:58.08 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: I'll try... |
| 17:58.23 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: thanks for the help |
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| 17:59.43 | thewanderer1 | SNow: is the machine you're running MySQL on some kind of VPS? |
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| 18:05.09 | PaulePanter | Does someone in this channel run self build Linux 3.5? |
| 18:05.41 | subthalamus | !tell subthalamus about squeeze -> lenny |
| 18:06.07 | PaulePanter | Could this someone please check if klogd is hogging the CPU on the system too. |
| 18:06.08 | subthalamus | !tell subthalamus about the birds and the bees |
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| 18:06.23 | PaulePanter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680099 |
| 18:06.27 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: don't abuse the bot please |
| 18:07.07 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter: are you the original bug submitter or are seeing the same issue? |
| 18:07.57 | subthalamus | no fun :( |
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| 18:10.45 | Mmike | Is there a tool that would give me advanced process statistics, all nicely wrapped up? For instance, I'd like to know what file(s) is process reading/witing, at what offset, at what speed, |
| 18:11.05 | Mmike | I know I could go to /proc/pid/fd|fdinfo and look there, but a tool that does all that would realy help me now:) |
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| 18:11.44 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: just fyi, inconsolate = back to garbage and I'm confident on the source of DejaVu |
| 18:12.53 | thewanderer1 | subthalamus: there's nothing else I can think of right now, but it's surely a client-side font issue as you can see. this is as much as I can do :/ |
| 18:13.17 | subthalamus | thewanderer1: no worries, thanks again |
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| 18:13.43 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: I am the submitter. |
| 18:15.08 | grandie | dondelelcaro: just got some information about setting up an x-server and just using xterm on the two monitors |
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| 18:17.43 | dondelelcaro | grandie: yeah, that's what I'd actually do. very few people use CLI only anymore, and almost none of them use it on multiple monitors |
| 18:18.15 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, the whole purpose of X is to allow for a ton of xterms) |
| 18:19.22 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter: and you haven't got two processes reading kmsg at the same time? |
| 18:20.08 | grandie | dondelelcaro: i'm just trying to get away form all the extra stuff in kde and gnome, thanks, later |
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| 18:22.20 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: `sudo fuser /proc/kmsg` returns nothing after stopping klogd. |
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| 18:23.26 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter: the proper long-term solution is probably modifying klogd itself to use select() or so - dd seems fragile, yet the daemon probably makes some assumptions that only hold true under certain kernels... |
| 18:24.01 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Could be. |
| 18:24.19 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: I am wondering that there are so few people using 3.5. ;-) |
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| 18:25.15 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter: it doesn't have to happen under every 3.5 configuration, either :P |
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| 18:25.39 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: I met another Debian user using Linux 3.5 and he has the same problem. |
| 18:25.59 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: And I even can reproduce the problem. Just starting klogd (service klogd start) brings this issue up. |
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| 18:26.50 | kajo | hi |
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| 18:28.09 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter: seeing as other logging solutions (rsyslogd, and systemd I guess) don't exhibit the problem, I say the klogd is to blame... have you investigated the process trace (strace tool) yet? |
| 18:28.10 | kajo | just a flash question: if my pc has 4 positions for the ram banks (0, 1, 2, 3) and i have 2 ram banks to plug into, what are the position i have to use? pos0 and pos2 , right ? |
| 18:28.40 | kajo | *positions |
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| 18:29.39 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Kind of. The other user did some investigating and said that one end of the pipe gets closed. |
| 18:29.58 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: He said he wants to cook up a patch. |
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| 18:30.18 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Thanks for your report. I will report back if we do not find a solution. |
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| 18:31.30 | thewanderer1 | kajo: look at colours, you want the 2 banks to be different colours. in doubt, consult your mobo manual. </flash-question> |
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| 18:32.50 | PaulePanter | kajo: Better read the manual as you want to profit from some kind of dual-channel-speed or so. |
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| 18:34.11 | euro | Hi, I'm on Wheezy, should it be any difference to mount nfs in /etc/fstab and mount using the mount.nfs command? Using fstab makes my boot time much, much LONGER. At boot I get the following message; mount.nfs: timed out. But If I login first, and then use the mount.nfs commamd there is no problem at all. Why the difference? |
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| 18:37.36 | phorce1_home | euro: it's probably trying to mount from fstab before the network has settled |
| 18:37.57 | SNow | I was doing apt-get dist-upgrade from squeeze to lenny and I got kernel:[582442.094625] Oops: 0002 [1] SMP |
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| 18:38.14 | SNow | and now Im stuck on generating initramfs, and the thing is that the system is not responding anymore. |
| 18:38.34 | PaulePanter | SNow: Is not Lenny older than Squeeze? |
| 18:38.47 | ksuhku | PaulePanter, yes |
| 18:38.48 | euro | phorce1_home: sound plausible, what can I do about it? |
| 18:38.49 | SNow | I was upgrading from lenny to squeeze. |
| 18:38.53 | SNow | sorry |
| 18:39.03 | kajo | thewanderer1: PaulePanter , eh problem 1: i dont have the manual :) . Problem 2: i cleaned that pc 1 or 2 months ago. After the cleaning i put the ram back in the slots. The debian detect correctly the ram, and that pc has *no* crashes at all. The position i used was pos0 and pos1, and i *now* think it's wrong because sometime i have ssh connection drop while transferring files to this sshd server. the auth.log report an error: "Corrupted MAC on input" "Disconne |
| 18:39.09 | phorce1_home | euro: set '-noauto' in fstab then add a mount command at the end of rc.local |
| 18:39.16 | SNow | http://p.defau.lt/?dsrl1lVw9y9Mj7dAXVEONg |
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| 18:39.35 | thewanderer1 | kajo: apt-get install memtester; make it run |
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| 18:39.58 | kajo | so, another flash question: if the 2 ram banks are in wrong position what happens? it doesnt detect at all ? |
| 18:40.07 | phorce1_home | euro: (assuming you don't have anything else that needs the mount point before rc.local gets executed) |
| 18:40.09 | PaulePanter | kajo: No. It still works. |
| 18:40.16 | PaulePanter | kajo: It could only be slower. |
| 18:40.26 | PaulePanter | kajo: You can find most manuals on the Web easily! |
| 18:40.27 | thewanderer1 | kajo: if memtester doesn't show any errors, your RAM is probably OK |
| 18:40.29 | euro | phorce1_home: NO nfs mount in fstab then!? |
| 18:40.55 | PaulePanter | kajo: You can also try memtest86+. |
| 18:40.59 | kajo | PaulePanter: ah, ok. thanks . I'll try changing position at next server reboot :) |
| 18:41.19 | PaulePanter | kajo: No. It will not solve your problem. |
| 18:41.30 | PaulePanter | kajo: First do the memory test. |
| 18:41.32 | SNow | The system is not responding anymore, if I'll do reboot will I be able to but the system up ? |
| 18:41.32 | kajo | thewanderer1: PaulePanter ram is OK , i already tested it ~ 6 months ago with memtest. |
| 18:41.40 | SNow | It stuck up on http://p.defau.lt/?dsrl1lVw9y9Mj7dAXVEONg |
| 18:41.47 | PaulePanter | kajo: Test it again. ;-) |
| 18:42.02 | PaulePanter | kajo: It probably is a network problem. |
| 18:42.14 | PaulePanter | kajo: Do you get that error every time now with SSH? |
| 18:42.34 | kajo | PaulePanter: no net problem: i'm on LAN , server is only 1/2 meters from the client. |
| 18:42.42 | kajo | (wired connection) |
| 18:43.03 | phorce1_home | euro: you can leave it in fstab with the 'noauto' option. make the mount command easier later. just 'mount /mountpoint' rather than the whole mount.nfs command. 'mount /mountpoint' will get the info from fstab |
| 18:43.04 | kajo | PaulePanter: not every time. only sometimes when i send files from the client to the sshd server |
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| 18:43.23 | PaulePanter | kajo: The error still sounds some network configuration problem to me. |
| 18:43.24 | kajo | it's a random error. |
| 18:43.44 | thewanderer1 | could be a faulty NIC, cable, switch... |
| 18:43.57 | PaulePanter | kajo: But testing RAM and switching banks could help you rule out that error cause. |
| 18:44.07 | PaulePanter | SNow: Please report a bug about that crash. |
| 18:44.07 | kajo | PaulePanter: config is ok. 3-4 yr that is use this config. |
| 18:44.21 | PaulePanter | kajo: If you say so. |
| 18:44.38 | PaulePanter | SNow: I guess you will have no choice but to reboot. |
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| 18:44.57 | kajo | PaulePanter: about memtest. i noticed that there are "memtest86" and "memtest86+" is there any difference? |
| 18:45.17 | abrotman | their websites explain the differences |
| 18:45.22 | PaulePanter | SNow: You can log in using a live system (http://www.grml.org) to back up your data beforehand. |
| 18:45.29 | SNow | PaulePanter: I did that... |
| 18:45.35 | PaulePanter | kajo: I think there is no big difference. |
| 18:45.53 | kajo | ok thanks for the infos |
| 18:46.16 | PaulePanter | SNow: Then reboot and hope for the best. :/ |
| 18:46.18 | SNow | PaulePanter: How can I log in without reboot with grml, I still have to do the reboot I think |
| 18:46.30 | euro | phonecel_home: is this a common problem? because I have read in several places things like "It is more usual for clients to mount NFS volumes automatically at boot-time. NFS volumes can be specified like any others in /etc/fstab." |
| 18:46.31 | PaulePanter | SNow: Sure. |
| 18:46.36 | SNow | PaulePanter: but kernel crash for SMP is it because of RAM ? |
| 18:47.02 | PaulePanter | SNow: I do not know. Please send a report with that log to `submit@bugs.debian.org`. |
| 18:47.09 | PaulePanter | SNow: Use reportbug for that. |
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| 18:47.32 | PaulePanter | SNow: With Grml you can also check your memory by selecting memtest86+ in the boot loader. |
| 18:47.35 | euro | phorce1_home: but I get what you are saying, do the final mount after fstab and I can be sure of not having problem with the network. |
| 18:47.57 | SNow | PaulePanter: I know, Ill do that |
| 18:47.57 | PaulePanter | SNow: This will take some time but gives you some indication if your data is at risk or not. |
| 18:48.26 | thewanderer1 | phorce1_home: last time I checked, NFS was mounted by ifup/network-manager hooks |
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| 18:49.26 | SNow | PaulePanter: anyways it's important for me to get the system backup and running asap. |
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| 18:49.55 | SNow | PaulePanter: afterwards I'll report a bug, but now it's really some issues that I have to struggle, and I think there's some problems with the hw... |
| 18:50.34 | PaulePanter | SNow: If uptime is more important than your data just reboot it and do `sudo apt-get install -f` or so. |
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| 18:50.42 | PaulePanter | SNow: Good luck! |
| 18:51.00 | SNow | I'm not sure whether it will boot up... |
| 18:51.50 | PaulePanter | SNow: Since your system is stuck, I guess you have no other choice. And if it does not you have to use some live system to fix your system. |
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| 18:54.03 | euro | thewanderer1: hi, what is a ifup/network-manager hook? |
| 18:55.19 | thewanderer1 | euro: /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs is the hook called by ifup, the "/" character meant I'm not sure if network-manager calls it too or not |
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| 18:58.56 | euro | thewanderer1: I see, should i move my nfs line from fstab to mountnfs then? |
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| 19:00.55 | thewanderer1 | euro: what the hook does is look for nfs lines in fstab and mount them (which you'd have found out by reading it, btw :P ) |
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| 19:04.13 | euro | thewanderer1: well, the really strange thing is that boot tells me that nfs have timed out, but after the long wait, the nfs have been mounted. My problem is that I do not wanna wait 3 extra minutes each time I boot :-S |
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| 19:27.57 | smacnay | I am not sure why but my wicd will not longer connect to my router effectively. It appears to claim an ip address but my computer requires me to do an "ifup eth0" to establish a connection to the outside world. Any thoughts? This started in the last year while I was away and I became aware of it just recently (I have not been using this linux box in some time). |
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| 19:31.51 | AndroidBeing | since doing some updates on debian my mysql has losed INNODB, there is no "skip-innodb" in my.cnf as is mentioned on many posts online. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 19:34.08 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 19:39.34 | un214 | "wheezy frozen" |
| 19:39.41 | un214 | can I get a clue? |
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| 19:41.34 | abrotman | not likely |
| 19:42.30 | divbell | ^^ mean and rueful of the western dream :p |
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| 19:57.49 | penrod | greetings: does the following indicate the output from a cron job can't find the mail program ? "/bin/sh: mail: not found" ? |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | !tell penrod about apt-file |
| 19:58.21 | Diopter | Apt-file is so handy |
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| 20:05.21 | penrod | abrotman/diopter: handy as in a quick way to find which packages a particular file is included in ? |
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| 20:05.52 | abrotman | sure |
| 20:06.02 | Diopter | penrod: Yep. |
| 20:06.23 | Diopter | I have it aliased to pf, which is nice to have along with all of my other package-management aliases |
| 20:06.45 | Diopter | Just like dpkg -S can help you find out what package owns a file |
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| 20:07.32 | penrod | abrotman: does it search the local machine by default, or checks the sources.list , because the results I received with mail were rather extensive ? |
| 20:07.53 | abrotman | penrod: it searches all available packages |
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| 20:08.22 | abrotman | penrod: apt-file search bin/mail |
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| 20:40.08 | SNow | HI, I have a question, I have my system down right now, and I even don't see grub error, I was doing upgrade rom lenny to squeeze, how can I fix this? Boot grml and what next? grun-install on /dev/sda1 or /dev/md1 ? |
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| 20:41.31 | tremon | SNow: really depends on where it fails. Can you reach the grub menu or grub rescue? |
| 20:43.12 | SNow | tremon: no, I can't. |
| 20:43.18 | SNow | I only can boot up from rescue cd. |
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| 20:45.27 | tremon | ok, then you need to chroot into the debian install (make sure at least /dev, /proc, /sys and /var are mounted), and run both update-grub and grub-install |
| 20:45.37 | SNow | Ok. |
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| 20:45.54 | SNow | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
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| 20:46.04 | tremon | also make sure grub is up-to-date (I believe squeeze ships with with grub2 aka grub-pc) and /boot/grub/device.map is up-to-date |
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| 20:46.44 | tremon | SNow: check the latter (device.map), if it still refers to /dev/hdX then you need to update it |
| 20:47.06 | tremon | grub-mkdevicemap, but I prefer doing it manually |
| 20:47.12 | SNow | there is no devices.map ;/ |
| 20:47.39 | SNow | rescue:/boot/grub# cat device.map |
| 20:47.39 | SNow | (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-35000c5002a2526d2 |
| 20:47.41 | tremon | double-check the pathname. It's /boot/grub/device.map (no -s) |
| 20:47.41 | SNow | (hd1) /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-35000c5001fc3f0b4 |
| 20:47.44 | Diopter | Mmm, chrooting with bind mounts |
| 20:48.24 | tremon | SNow: does your bootdisk have a recent enough udev for that? Do /dev/disk/by-id exist? |
| 20:48.43 | SNow | ok, done update-grub, grub-install on both / and /boot |
| 20:48.46 | SNow | let's try to reboot, right? |
| 20:49.00 | tremon | SNow: you need to grub-install on the disk, not a partition |
| 20:49.20 | tremon | so in your case, grub-install /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-35000c5002a2526d2 (or whatever disk that links to) |
| 20:49.32 | SNow | I have software raid, /dev/md2 is / /dev/md1 is boot |
| 20:49.42 | SNow | /dev/sda1 and sdb2 is /dev/md2 |
| 20:49.56 | SNow | so I have to nstall to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb, or /dev/md2 or both ? |
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| 20:50.08 | tremon | SNow: I hope you have enough space left before the partition to install outside of it |
| 20:50.23 | tremon | SNow: I'd install to both, to be sure |
| 20:50.52 | SNow | hmm, when installing to /dev/disk/by-id I get there's no device |
| 20:50.54 | tremon | is not sure grub can deal with /boot on md |
| 20:51.33 | SNow | what to do with the by-id scsi stuff |
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| 20:51.49 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.00 | SNow | Invalid device `/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-35000c5002a2526d2'. |
| 20:52.13 | tremon | weird. But if grub-install ./dev/sda and grub-install /dev/sdb work, that's fine |
| 20:52.27 | tremon | SNow: what do those links point to? |
| 20:52.34 | tremon | (readlink /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-35000c5002a2526d2) |
| 20:52.49 | SNow | ../../sda |
| 20:53.20 | SNow | second is ../../sdb |
| 20:53.32 | SNow | so maybe I should remove /dev/disk/by-id and put /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ? |
| 20:53.38 | SNow | and then do update grub and grun install ? |
| 20:53.52 | tremon | huh... now I'm confused. grub-install .../by-id/... fails, but grub-install /dev/sda succeeds, even though the former is a symlink to the latter? |
| 20:54.09 | SNow | but i'm in chroot |
| 20:54.27 | SNow | and maybe it links to ../../sdb, not /dev/sda or /dev/sdb ? |
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| 20:54.56 | SNow | well let's try and 'll see |
| 20:55.08 | tremon | sure |
| 20:56.09 | SNow | woorked ;-) |
| 20:56.13 | SNow | thanks! :) |
| 20:57.35 | tremon | yw |
| 20:57.37 | SNow | tremon: when i installed new kernel I got errors about 8139 (i think) driver |
| 20:57.44 | SNow | and now I don't have internet on the sevrver.. |
| 20:57.51 | SNow | I think I have to install realtek modules? |
| 20:57.57 | tremon | you might need firmware-realtek (from non-free) |
| 20:58.13 | tremon | firmware blobs are no longer included with the kernel itself |
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| 20:58.47 | tremon | but iirc, 8139 should work without firmware in some basic mode |
| 20:58.56 | tremon | what does dmesg say? |
| 20:59.05 | SNow | checking.. |
| 20:59.44 | abrotman | tremon: i think some do, some don't |
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| 21:01.15 | tremon | ah, the 2 driver - 20 clones situation :) |
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| 21:03.03 | SNow | struggling with the kvm and german keyboard, cant find pipe |
| 21:04.09 | kstar | Hi, I'm having trouble with emacsen-common |
| 21:04.10 | kstar | emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor xemacs21 |
| 21:04.11 | kstar | /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common: 29: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/emacsen-common: xemacs21: not found |
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| 21:04.50 | tremon | SNow: altgr-< ? |
| 21:05.31 | Myhro | r |
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| 21:09.10 | SNow | tremon: i'm not sure my dell has altgr ;/ |
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| 21:09.27 | pjc_ | kstar: which release are you using? |
| 21:09.32 | tremon | SNow: assuming bash, try less -f <(dmesg) |
| 21:09.39 | karlpinc | kstar: Waht version debian? |
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| 21:10.01 | kstar | /etc/issue says "Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid" |
| 21:10.12 | pjc_ | unstable, ok |
| 21:10.21 | karlpinc | versions xemacs21 |
| 21:10.36 | tremon | hands karlpinc a , |
| 21:10.37 | karlpinc | ,versions xemacs21 |
| 21:10.38 | judd | Package: xemacs21 on i386 -- lenny: 21.4.21-4; squeeze: 21.4.22-3.1; sid: 21.4.22-3.2; wheezy: 21.4.22-3.2 |
| 21:10.51 | pjc_ | karlpinc: emacs23 |
| 21:11.06 | karlpinc | pjc_: Yeah. |
| 21:11.19 | karlpinc | pjc_: But he said xemacs21. |
| 21:11.29 | kstar | I'm trying to install emacs23... |
| 21:11.47 | kstar | And it says, trying to install emacsen-common, that emacsen flavor xemacs21 was not found. |
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| 21:11.59 | karlpinc | kstar: What command did you type? "aptitude install emacs23"? |
| 21:12.02 | SNow | tremon: nothing about eth* |
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| 21:12.04 | pjc_ | kstar: from what I see 21 is in the squeeze repos and 23 is in the wheezy repos |
| 21:12.08 | kstar | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 21:12.13 | kstar | Or maybe aptitude install emacs |
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| 21:12.45 | tremon | SNow: and if you modprobe 8139too or 8139cp ? |
| 21:12.47 | kstar | I've put my repos to point to testing... |
| 21:12.50 | scshunt | How do I compare my package contents against the installed files? |
| 21:12.59 | scshunt | something has gone weird on my machine and I want to know which files have changed |
| 21:13.02 | scshunt | (possibly a compromise) |
| 21:13.04 | karlpinc | kstar: Have you since done an aptitude update? |
| 21:13.09 | tremon | scshunt: debsums |
| 21:13.15 | scshunt | tremon: thank you |
| 21:13.29 | karlpinc | scshunt: Except that if your box has been compromized then you can't trust the answer. |
| 21:13.36 | scshunt | karlpinc: yeah I know |
| 21:13.48 | scshunt | I can trust a positive, not a negative |
| 21:13.57 | kstar | karlpinc: Yep. |
| 21:14.18 | kstar | karlpinc: I was running an aptitude upgrade today, and half way, my system rebooted due to overheating. |
| 21:14.22 | ilius | is there any distribution based on *frozen* debian testing with gnome? i want it for my brother |
| 21:14.27 | kstar | Now, I'm stuck with this problem. I think I fixed most other things. |
| 21:14.55 | aidalgol | ilius: testing isn't frozen until it's ready to be the next stable, AFAIK |
| 21:14.56 | tremon | kstar: tried aptitude install -f ? |
| 21:15.09 | karlpinc | kstar: Does "aptitude search '~U'" say there are packages needing upgrade? |
| 21:15.17 | tremon | ilius: debian wheezy will be based on current testing |
| 21:15.17 | kstar | Yep, apt-get install -f |
| 21:15.19 | ilius | aidalgol: wheezy is frozen isn't it? |
| 21:15.21 | kstar | Must try aptitude. |
| 21:15.29 | ilius | aidalgol: i meant wheezy |
| 21:15.33 | aidalgol | ilius: Not yet. |
| 21:15.39 | tremon | but it is... |
| 21:15.46 | aidalgol | It is? |
| 21:15.46 | karlpinc | ilius: What's wrong with stable? |
| 21:15.49 | kstar | Now, now, aptitude -f install wants to remove 100+ packages that I want. |
| 21:15.56 | ilius | karlpinc: a little old |
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| 21:16.04 | aidalgol | Since when? I'm still getting major updates in testing. |
| 21:16.05 | karlpinc | ilius: What does it not do? |
| 21:16.06 | kstar | Actually, only 87 packages. |
| 21:16.11 | tremon | kstar: aptitude can get a little overzealous sometimes :) |
| 21:16.16 | tremon | (make that all the time) |
| 21:16.21 | kstar | LOL. |
| 21:16.29 | kstar | How do I tell aptitude to try not to remove anything? |
| 21:16.31 | karlpinc | kstar: And, who knows, you might need a full-upgrade. |
| 21:16.44 | SNow | tremon: doesn-'t help |
| 21:16.46 | ilius | karlpinc: i'm using testing myself, i like to share package files with my brother |
| 21:16.57 | scshunt | karlpinc: how do I extract a .deb? |
| 21:17.04 | streuner | kstar, are you using gnome? |
| 21:17.06 | tremon | kstar: when aptitude present you with a solution, type r (number you don't want) and let aptitude come up with a new solution |
| 21:17.07 | aidalgol | scshunt: ar x |
| 21:17.27 | tremon | scshunt: man dpkg-deb |
| 21:18.01 | SNow | tremon: maybe its some another ? |
| 21:18.01 | pjc_ | scshunt: |
| 21:18.08 | kstar | streuner: Nope, KDE. |
| 21:18.11 | tremon | SNow: then just install the firmware and see what happens after reboot. The nic is still listed in lspci, right? |
| 21:18.12 | pjc_ | a mix of ar and tar |
| 21:18.30 | aidalgol | Oh, well if you just want to inspect the contents of a .deb, ar x (then tar xf) is adequate. :P |
| 21:18.54 | tremon | SNow: if you're not sure about the model of your nic, use lspci -vvn (iirc) and ask judd about the pci id |
| 21:19.04 | karlpinc | ilius: You might consider <apt-cacher> or <apt-cacher-ng> (iirc). |
| 21:19.30 | aidalgol | Does dpkg-deb extract the (pre|post)(inst|rm) scripts? |
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| 21:19.59 | jelly-home | aidalgol: sure, if you tell it to |
| 21:19.59 | tremon | aidalgol: it can |
| 21:20.22 | aidalgol | Which option(s) do I want? |
| 21:20.25 | jelly-home | --control -e |
| 21:20.26 | aidalgol | -R? |
| 21:20.30 | aidalgol | ah |
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| 21:21.03 | aidalgol | Does -R just do both -e and -x ? |
| 21:21.04 | jelly-home | if you -x in foo and -e in foo/DEBIAN, you can repack the thing back with -b |
| 21:21.12 | jelly-home | no idea what -R does |
| 21:21.29 | tremon | jelly-home: it does -x in foo and -e in foo/DEBIAN ;) |
| 21:21.31 | kstar | Okay, I'm going to just try around and reinstall KDE and stuff like that. |
| 21:21.37 | jelly-home | tremon: that's nice! |
| 21:21.41 | aidalgol | Guess so, then. :) |
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| 21:23.40 | SNow | tremon: r8169 ;-) |
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| 21:24.08 | tremon | SNow: got the pci id (it's lspci -nn) |
| 21:24.14 | tremon | ? |
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| 21:26.47 | SNow | tremon: just tried.. |
| 21:26.55 | SNow | but worked!, so really thanks :) |
| 21:27.13 | tremon | yw again :) |
| 21:27.21 | SNow | one more question though. I have jail, and do I have to do a seperate upgrade from lenny to squeeze for that too, right? |
| 21:27.53 | tremon | yes, that's separate unless you're using read-only bind mounts |
| 21:28.46 | scshunt | it is safe to fsck a filesystem mounted readonly, right |
| 21:28.47 | scshunt | ? |
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| 21:29.20 | tremon | scshunt: it's safe for the filesystem, but might not be for the programs still running on it |
| 21:29.47 | scshunt | that's ok |
| 21:31.46 | nsadmin | if your jail is a full debian install of some sort, you can upgrade it |
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| 21:33.40 | diepchess | hello. Good Evening! Having a few questions on iptables. Good channel to ask? |
| 21:33.57 | tremon | diepchess: you won't know until you ask |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | you can try here, or #netfilter would probably be better |
| 21:34.30 | diepchess | thx abrotman will try there |
| 21:35.03 | Diopter | diepchess: I can probably answer any question you would have, but it's not sounding Debian-specific |
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| 21:35.28 | diepchess | it might be diopter |
| 21:35.37 | Diopter | diepchess: Fire away |
| 21:35.47 | diepchess | let me ask first some simple questions there :) |
| 21:36.09 | diepchess | as the debian specific network weirdness of squeeze... ...that's not so relevant yet |
| 21:37.01 | Diopter | mm |
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| 21:38.15 | lewus | hello |
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| 21:42.02 | ryx | do cryptsetup/luks and lvm properly align on advanced format (4k-sector) drives? |
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| 21:43.43 | ryx | (I already found out that cfdisk doesn't, so I used cgdisk) |
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| 21:52.49 | karlpinc | !tell ryx about 4kb |
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| 21:53.50 | karlpinc | ryx: I remember paying attention to this and concluding that if I aligned my physical partitions properly I would not have a problem. You may want to check my work. |
| 21:54.10 | ryx | ah, I should have remembered to ask dpkg first, thanks. Though the first link 404s... |
| 21:54.40 | ryx | nice, that's what I wanted to hear |
| 21:55.02 | karlpinc | ryx: That's interesting, kernel.org had a problem, but I _thought_ that link recovered.... |
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| 21:58.39 | ryx | hmm, first link says cryptsetup does 1:1-mapping, but afaik cryptsetup/luks doesn't. |
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| 21:59.52 | dlynes | does anyone know what the migration kernel processes are for? migration/1 is slamming the cpu at between 65 and 70% cpu usage since the upgrade to wheezy |
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| 22:01.33 | dlynes | upgrading to the 3.2 kernel didn't help the problem, either |
| 22:01.43 | dlynes | Nor did switching to xfce from gnome3 |
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| 22:06.55 | nsadmin | dlynes, dunno. but, they might on irc.oftc.net in #kernel-newbies or maybe #debian-kernel |
| 22:07.24 | abrotman | dlynes: the migration process is part of the kernel |
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| 22:12.08 | dlynes | abrotman, yeah...I'm aware it's part of the kernel...all the processes in square brackets are in-kernel processes |
| 22:12.20 | dlynes | nsadmin, thanks |
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| 22:14.14 | abrotman | and he left ... |
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| 22:14.36 | dvs | !next |
| 22:14.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:15.04 | nsadmin | aren't there kernel processes that take up cpu % on purpose? |
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| 22:18.07 | karlpinc | nsadmin: For when your feet are really cold and you need to heat the room? |
| 22:18.27 | Diopter | nsadmin: Like an idle process or something? |
| 22:18.35 | abrotman | noop loops! |
| 22:18.58 | Diopter | I love noop loops. Especially with milk in the morning |
| 22:19.08 | dvs | heh |
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| 22:28.02 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:28.17 | p3rror | what is the equivalent of the microsoft network adapter |
| 22:28.21 | p3rror | on linux |
| 22:28.37 | Diopter | penrod: Do you mean... how do you view network adapters and IPs and such? |
| 22:28.50 | Diopter | penrod: Like, the equivalent of "ifconfig" ? |
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| 22:29.20 | abrotman | Diopter: your tabfail is awesome |
| 22:29.28 | abrotman | p3rror: to do what? |
| 22:29.32 | Diopter | abrotman: looolz, yus |
| 22:29.41 | Diopter | That's what I get for being distracted |
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| 22:32.22 | SNow | I have really important question about mysql |
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| 22:32.52 | p3rror | abrotman, i need to configure gns3 |
| 22:32.59 | p3rror | abrotman, a cisco simulator |
| 22:33.15 | p3rror | abrotman, and i need to set an address to loopback interface |
| 22:33.18 | SNow | Hi guys, I have corrupted my mysql db and percomance_schema, and now I can't start the mysql instance, how can I fix this (mysql upgrade only works if the server is started)? |
| 22:33.29 | Diopter | p3rror: Ah, you're trying to route in/out of your gns3 environment |
| 22:33.37 | abrotman | p3rror: it shuld already have one .. 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:33.40 | p3rror | Diopter, yes that is |
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| 22:34.08 | p3rror | abrotman, can i change this address |
| 22:34.13 | Diopter | p3rror: The loopback interface is "lo". You can use the "ip" tool to interact with network interfaces and routes. |
| 22:34.18 | p3rror | abrotman, or may be create an alias |
| 22:34.20 | Diopter | p3rror: You really don't want to change it, but you can easily add a secondary |
| 22:34.32 | Diopter | ip a a dev lo x.x.x.x/y |
| 22:34.47 | Diopter | Which is short for "ip addr add" |
| 22:35.15 | Diopter | If someone tells you to use "ifconfig" punch them in the face. It does an abysmal job of handling multihoming and subinterfaces |
| 22:35.15 | p3rror | ah yes |
| 22:35.42 | Diopter | p3rror: Then you can use "ip a" to view the interfaces (ip a defaults to 'show' on all interfaces) |
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| 22:38.56 | p3rror | Diopter, right iproutes is so powerfull |
| 22:39.19 | Diopter | iproute is definitely the win |
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| 22:41.45 | p3rror | Diopter, i can now ping the router in my topology from my console |
| 22:42.00 | Diopter | p3rror: Sweet |
| 22:42.03 | p3rror | Diopter, but i can not ping lo from router console |
| 22:42.34 | Diopter | p3rror: Hrm. Router might need an explicit route to the network you put on your loopback |
| 22:45.09 | p3rror | Diopter, the router address is 10.0.0.2 even the lo address is 10.0.0.1 |
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| 22:46.04 | p3rror | Diopter, on linux console i set route |
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| 22:46.06 | p3rror | Diopter, route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.0.0.2 |
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| 22:52.16 | symptom | I just installed the maint-guide package. How can I open it? |
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| 22:53.30 | Guest72484 | symptom: did you look in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide? |
| 22:53.52 | jhutchins_lt | symptom: dpkg -L maint-guide will probably show that it's installed a folder of HTML and text documentation. Read with browser or text pager |
| 22:54.33 | symptom | sweet |
| 22:54.50 | symptom | thanks jhutchins I was always wondering if there was a way to see the files in a package |
| 22:54.55 | jagginess | bsd-mailx --- is this the default /etc/alternatives/mail link ? |
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| 22:56.07 | pjc_ | jagginess: is that not /etc/nail.rc? |
| 22:56.13 | jagginess | anyone knows about the bsd-mailx ? (POP is mentioned in the debian readme /usr/share/doc/bsd-mailx, -- but everything with it seems local) |
| 22:56.57 | jagginess | pjc_, that's your default? (i have bsd-mailx installed here but I don't know if i may have changed it) |
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| 22:57.16 | jagginess | pjc_, nail.rc is heirloom-mailx |
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| 22:58.10 | pjc_ | jagginess: so it is, then heirloom was the last I used |
| 22:58.20 | jagginess | my question is really about what bsd-mailx supports. I don't think it does pop, (the manpage doesnt say, but the debian readme hints it may have in the past) |
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| 22:58.55 | toString | hi all |
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| 22:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | jagginess: mailx |
| 22:59.28 | MarconM | is there a way to put a logo on tty on boot loader |
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| 22:59.46 | pjc_ | jagginess: you need a MUA for that, like postfix or exim |
| 22:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | jagginess: Ah, I see your question. No, mailx only works with locally spooled mail. |
| 22:59.59 | pjc_ | jagginess: mail user agent |
| 23:00.06 | jhutchins_lt | jagginess: For pop or imap you need mutt or alpine. |
| 23:00.07 | jagginess | bsd-mailx yes.. the readme says the history is complex.. but i'm trying to know if mail does anything fancy to retrieve mail from exim-- what is the geek term i'm looking for? |
| 23:00.25 | jagginess | jhutchins_lt, ok.. that's cool :).. |
| 23:00.35 | jhutchins_lt | jagginess: It reads the local mail spool files directly. |
| 23:00.43 | pjc_ | I am thinking server, and not client... oppps |
| 23:00.45 | jagginess | jhutchins, i understand those two mua's actually.. i'm trying to graps this how mailx works locally |
| 23:00.51 | jagginess | ok thanks.. |
| 23:01.08 | jagginess | jhutchins_lt, what's the unix defacto name here? a bsd-mail spool standard? |
| 23:01.51 | toString | i've a pc i can reach from internet i'd like to reinstall squeeze. no physical access to the machine |
| 23:01.56 | jhutchins_lt | You mean ~/mail, /var/spool/mail/<user>? |
| 23:02.02 | toString | is there any chance? |
| 23:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | toString: What's on it now? Working squeeze? |
| 23:02.52 | jagginess | ok thanks.. I understand there's 2 mailbox standards.. i guess i can research that.. |
| 23:02.56 | toString | yes, full access |
| 23:03.08 | jagginess | (/formats) |
| 23:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | toString: iirc it works with either one, determines by looking at the files. |
| 23:03.50 | toString | jhutchins_lt: i'm not sure i got what you mean |
| 23:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | I think mailx looks at the environment and uses whatever the system has, but I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure I've just used it on both types of system without worrying about the format. |
| 23:05.21 | pjc_ | toString: what is currently installed on the pc? |
| 23:05.57 | toString | pjc_: a squeeze |
| 23:06.21 | toString | i'm on a dedicated, it's the default one installed by the provider |
| 23:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | toString: Sorry, mixing threads. |
| 23:06.39 | toString | jhutchins_lt: :1 |
| 23:07.17 | toString | i'd prefer to make a full new install, the provider hasn't a great support team, so if i can solve it on my own it's better |
| 23:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | toString: What's the reason you want to reinstall? It's probably best to address things individually rather than reinstall everything, and the provider may have done some necessary customization like a VM kernel and tools. |
| 23:07.34 | pjc_ | toString: If there is no KVM access then you will more then likely need to be next to it |
| 23:08.35 | toString | pjc_: no kvm, i hoped in a grub conf netbooting from an ad hoc tftp server |
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| 23:10.05 | pjc_ | toString: it might be possible with a pxe boot and an absolutely perfect preseed file, but I am thinking you will need to be on-site |
| 23:10.46 | toString | pjc_: ok, if so much trouble i'd simply insist with the support |
| 23:10.49 | toString | ;\ |
| 23:11.21 | pjc_ | sounds like a plan |
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| 23:17.38 | wilfredor | Hey. I own the stable version of debian, I play the videos (regardless of the player) MKV format, the film is advanced to a different scene continuously, ie, come on. As I can do to fix this problem? |
| 23:17.58 | DeusEx | howdy all |
| 23:18.55 | ilius | wilfredor: with any mkv file? |
| 23:19.08 | wilfredor | ilius: yes |
| 23:19.38 | ilius | wilfredor: what players have you tried? |
| 23:20.18 | wilfredor | ilius: vlc is not working with mkv, I have the lastest version |
| 23:20.34 | wilfredor | ilius: Kaffeine show fine the video rate but the subtitle is smallest |
| 23:20.43 | ilius | wilfredor: tried (sm)mplayer and totem? |
| 23:20.57 | wilfredor | ilius: and gnome-mplayer show the problem like I explained |
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| 23:21.14 | wilfredor | ilius: totem not work |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | tried vlc ? |
| 23:21.44 | ilius | wilfredor: totem how does not work? |
| 23:21.53 | ilius | wilfredor: does not play at all? |
| 23:22.09 | wilfredor | ilius: totem show The playback of this movie requires a H.264 decoder plugin which is not installed. |
| 23:22.30 | wilfredor | ilius: but I has installed the last .h24 code library |
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| 23:23.52 | DanDare | Hello. Im performing "apt-get upgrade" on my server (Debian 6), and got several warnings (on a text message), about incompatibilities. Text says "Due to the non-disclosure of security patch information from Oracle, we are forced to ship this upstream version update of MySQL 5.1 into all releases that carry MySQL 5.1. There are several known incompatible changes". Now im unsure what should I do. Im afraid on breaking so any things that are |
| 23:23.52 | DanDare | dependent of Mysql. Any clue? |
| 23:24.12 | DanDare | Well I know such a very relative question but im really confused about it |
| 23:25.44 | dondelelcaro | DanDare: that really depends on what you're doing with mysql, unfortunately. |
| 23:26.24 | Diopter | See also: fuck Oracle |
| 23:26.52 | DanDare | Its possible to mark just mysql to not upgrade while I can state or test it in another machine ? I mean, not upgrading mysql while doing "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 23:27.01 | DanDare | Yeah Diopter ..... :/ |
| 23:27.03 | dondelelcaro | DanDare: yerp; you can put it on hold |
| 23:27.14 | gnarface | is that from lenny to squeeze? |
| 23:27.15 | ilius | wilfredor: maybe you should try: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 23:27.22 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: no, it's a squeeze security update |
| 23:27.40 | DanDare | dondelelcaro, thanks, i will check it |
| 23:27.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell DanDare -about hold |
| 23:27.58 | DanDare | thanks :) |
| 23:28.04 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: from when? |
| 23:28.42 | wilfredor | ilius: i have already that |
| 23:29.15 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: http://www.debian.org/security/2012/dsa-2496 |
| 23:29.22 | ilius | wilfredor: is video resolution very high? that might be a graphics driver issue |
| 23:29.32 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: http://www.debian.org/security/ can answer these sorts of questions... |
| 23:30.50 | wilfredor | ilius: yes, is 720 but I have installed my graphic card driver ATI |
| 23:31.01 | wilfredor | ilius: the 3d aceleration is working |
| 23:31.54 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: i just wanted to see if i already had it installed, which i do apparently since i have that text in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 23:32.01 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: but thanks |
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| 23:33.50 | wilfredor | ilius: I have the last vlc and show the follow> [0x7fdf98019ed8] main input error: demux doesn't like DEMUX_GET_TIME |
| 23:35.55 | ilius | wilfredor: hmmm, sorry no idea, unless that also try smplayer and command line mplayer |
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| 23:36.14 | wilfredor | ilius: I tryed that too and the film not show nothing |
| 23:37.43 | ilius | wilfredor: wired, what they say? |
| 23:38.05 | wilfredor | ilius: I go |
| 23:38.44 | wilfredor | ilius: the network is fine |
| 23:39.44 | wilfredor | ilius: wired is Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
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| 23:46.57 | DDCSP | hi |
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| 23:49.07 | DDCSP | Good evening everyone. I apologize for my English. I wanted to know if anyone knew a bnc irc ideal for installation in a d-link 615 router with DD-WRT firmware mod ... I do not really like Mew ... I found znc but I do not quite understand the situation ... I would like to know if I can compile them directly .. thanks |
| 23:49.23 | ilius | wilfredor: LOL no i didn't mean wired network, wired means strange here |
| 23:49.38 | Diopter | ilius: That's "weird" |
| 23:49.39 | ilius | :-D |
| 23:49.52 | ilius | yes |
| 23:49.54 | Diopter | DDCSP: ZNC is an awesome bouncer. |
| 23:50.12 | wilfredor | ilius: XD |
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| 23:50.56 | wilfredor | ilius: my java X Server? |
| 23:51.24 | abrotman | DDCSP: this is #debian |
| 23:51.39 | ilius | wilfredor: i meant does mplayer show any errors? |
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| 23:52.08 | ilius | wilfredor: you better search for codecs in synaptic/aptitude and install all of them |
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| 23:52.36 | DDCSP | Diopter: my problem and I do not know 'if I can install it on the router ... Mew with me should I use a bnc. ipk (never heard) ... znc only that does not have such an extension ... I do not know 'sincerely do ... ideas? |
| 23:53.38 | DDCSP | abrotman: you ok .... but 'in my linux router is in place then are not you? I need a hint ... if not then I can ask, so good |
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