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| 00:08.05 | jeeves_moss | how can I install a cisco AIR-CB21AG-A-K9 PCMCIA card? it won't show up when I run lspci |
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| 00:08.26 | chalcedony | i did update & upgrade in debian, i downloaded firefox & untar.bz2d it, but it's still opening iceweasel when i type firefox, and i get an error message in gmail: Some important features may not work in this version of your browser, so you have been redirected to the Basic HTML version. Upgrade to a modern browser, such as Google Chrome. |
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| 00:09.35 | aleminio | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.35 | aleminio | anyway if my doesn't match the group? |
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| 00:10.32 | blackshirt | good morning |
| 00:10.45 | DinCahill | aleminio, is the user which is trying to upload the file a member of the group which owns the folder? |
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| 00:11.24 | aleminio | nope |
| 00:11.36 | chalcedony | hi blackshirt |
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| 00:11.54 | aleminio | that's why i am saying, why do i need "all" permissions if it won't let me do anything if the user is not part of the group any way |
| 00:12.01 | Diopter | jeeves_moss: Try lspcmcia |
| 00:12.38 | DinCahill | aleminio, oh yeah, you should be able to upload with any user if the folder is a+w |
| 00:12.40 | jeeves_moss | Diopter, it dosen't show up. |
| 00:13.20 | aleminio | weird, only if i change the group to the name of the user, i'm allowed to do that |
| 00:13.46 | aleminio | same issue with executing.. trying to execute from php with shell_exec... permiddion denied even when i set the file with a+x |
| 00:14.26 | DinCahill | aleminio, that's not what file execute permissions means :P |
| 00:14.39 | aleminio | so what does it mean? ^^ |
| 00:14.48 | DinCahill | aleminio, it means you can execute the php file |
| 00:14.58 | DinCahill | it doesn't mean php will allow you to use certain functions |
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| 00:15.09 | aleminio | i'm not talking about a php file, i'm trying to run my shoutcast server from php code with shell_exec |
| 00:15.26 | aleminio | which allows me to run shell commands |
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| 00:15.51 | DinCahill | aleminio, if you can't use shell_exec at all as a normal user, then see if there is anything in php.ini to change that |
| 00:16.12 | aleminio | i can, i just get permission denied when executing the specific file which is owned by a different user |
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| 00:17.00 | DinCahill | aleminio, i dunno then |
| 00:17.15 | aleminio | heh, thanks :) |
| 00:17.35 | chalcedony | does debian have an 'update-alternatives' or something to include browser updates? |
| 00:18.25 | Diopter | chalcedony: What sort of browser updates? Do you mean choosing a different default browser? |
| 00:19.05 | chalcedony | Diopter, i'm frustrated with gmail in iceweasel - it gives me an error saying i need to update to a current browser |
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| 00:21.10 | jagginess | chalcedony, maybe you have javascript set to off |
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| 00:22.01 | jagginess | chalcedony, update-alternatives has nothing to do with browser updatese |
| 00:22.09 | chalcedony | jagginess, i woke up today and restarted ice weasel - now i get the error, before i didn't |
| 00:22.40 | dvs | !tell chalcedony about mdn |
| 00:22.53 | jagginess | chalcedony, well only thing i can say is clear the browser's cache and make sure cookies are set to on. |
| 00:23.07 | jagginess | (remembers the 'google' error on the search engine) |
| 00:23.21 | jagginess | google makes its mistakes too.. perhaps they're maintaining something temporarily |
| 00:23.30 | Diopter | chalcedony: Really? Odd. |
| 00:24.07 | Blue1 | google makes mistakes? |
| 00:24.17 | Blue1 | oh yea - google wave |
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| 00:25.25 | jagginess | "<aleminio> i'm not talking about a php file, i'm trying to run my shoutcast server from php code with shell_exec" << lol.. quite a php question afaik, try asking on $php |
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| 00:29.04 | jeeves_moss | what does this mean? http://pastebin.com/UC4Gizpz |
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| 00:33.51 | chalcedony | i can't even get firefox as firefox to open, i get iceweasel |
| 00:34.41 | Blue1 | chalcedony: correct |
| 00:35.03 | Blue1 | chalcedony: I have directions for installing firefox if you need/want them. |
| 00:35.16 | Diopter | chalcedony: That's because Debian doesn't ship Firefox from Mozilla. |
| 00:35.42 | nevyn | post on G+/twitter about it. |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | that'll get you far |
| 00:36.26 | chalcedony | Blue1 yes that might be very helpful :) |
| 00:36.32 | Diopter | Debian is always listening for twits. |
| 00:36.37 | Diopter | Er, tweets. One of those two. |
| 00:36.46 | Blue1 | chalcedony: this recipe may/may not help. download from the site, instead of getting as directed - directions after that same -- http://pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/ |
| 00:37.19 | chalcedony | Blue1 i have 32 bit debian (a mistake) but it works |
| 00:37.22 | Blue1 | chalcedony: and rename the firefox script in /usr/bin |
| 00:37.41 | Blue1 | chalcedony: yes just download from the site, instead of getting the 64 bit apps listed. |
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| 00:39.55 | chalcedony | it let me download it, it just insists on opening iceweasel instead |
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| 00:40.40 | Blue1 | chalcedony: right I said to rename the firefox script in /usr/bin to something else. |
| 00:40.58 | chalcedony | ah |
| 00:41.18 | Blue1 | chalcedony: or in my case -- it got nuked. |
| 00:41.59 | Blue1 | chalcedony: nope i renamed it to firefox.iceweasel |
| 00:42.09 | chalcedony | iceweasel and firefox are there |
| 00:43.22 | Blue1 | chalcedony: rename them both -- in any case when you create the launcher you just refererence /usr/bin/ and it will be correct. |
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| 00:44.14 | abrotman | chalcedony: what's wrong wtih iceweasel? |
| 00:44.30 | chalcedony | abrotman, gmail |
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| 00:44.57 | chalcedony | that and i can't get it to give me a choice on startup to not open all the history |
| 00:45.00 | abrotman | chalcedony: mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:45.15 | abrotman | so much easier |
| 00:45.53 | dvs | This is Debian. Nothing is easy. (So others say) |
| 00:46.17 | metbsd | debian sucks |
| 00:46.21 | chalcedony | dvs, lol |
| 00:46.27 | Blue1 | dvs: ubuntu is the african word for: I can't configure debian |
| 00:46.34 | dvs | heh |
| 00:46.50 | chalcedony | abrotman, i did the keyring thing before and it doesnt error anymore too :) |
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| 00:49.46 | chalcedony | abrotman, but gmail: "Some important features may not work in this version of your browser, so you have been redirected to the Basic HTML version. Upgrade to a modern browser, such as Google Chrome." |
| 00:49.59 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:50.23 | abrotman | chalcedony: so you haven't used mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:50.36 | chalcedony | hummmmmmm |
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| 00:51.04 | dvs | chalcedony: type "about:" in the URL box |
| 00:51.08 | craigevil | iceweasel: Installed: 13.0.1-2 works just fine with Gmail |
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| 00:52.10 | chalcedony | craigevil, this seems to be iceweasel 11.0 |
| 00:52.17 | Future28 | Hey guys, how big is the boot partition usually? Debian squeeze 64 bit |
| 00:52.35 | chalcedony | could this be my problem? |
| 00:53.32 | pparadis | Future28: a 64 MB partition is a generous allocation for /boot for common uses. that said, do you need to create a separate /boot partition? |
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| 00:53.55 | Future28 | Maybe not, I was just used to creating boot, root, swap |
| 00:54.09 | civillian | 64 MB generous? |
| 00:54.17 | civillian | 1GB is generous |
| 00:54.26 | Future28 | On another note, which filesystem should I use for debian? |
| 00:54.27 | pparadis | civillian: that's ridiculous for a /boot partition. |
| 00:54.41 | pparadis | civillian: go do "du -sh /boot" and tell me how much space your /boot is using. |
| 00:54.53 | civillian | pparadis: 48MB, not too short of your 64MB |
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| 00:55.05 | civillian | pparadis: one more kernel and I'm stuffed |
| 00:55.26 | Future28 | One more thing, is it strictly true that I need to double my ram size for my swap space? I don't want to discard ~24gb of storage |
| 00:55.27 | engla | I see 82M, 3 kernels |
| 00:55.56 | chalcedony | google for how to upgrade iceweasel? |
| 00:55.56 | dvs | chalcedony: it means you still didn't follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:56.05 | pparadis | civillian: great, so you've got a bunch of older vmlinuz/initrd stuff hanging around. so okay, go for a whopping 128-256 MB at the outside then. 1 GB is patently ridiculous, and most systems i've seen (out of thousands) will never exceed 64 MB. |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | Future28: i haven't used a /boot/ in ages .. do you need one for a specific reason ? |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | chalcedony: ask in here, no need to msg me |
| 00:56.32 | pparadis | but then again, most people who have a separate /boot don't actually need it anyhow. |
| 00:56.37 | Future28 | abrotman, no I do not, I'm just used to doing that but I guess I wont bother |
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| 00:56.58 | Future28 | So essentially I can just create / and swap |
| 00:57.05 | Future28 | And I'll be all good? |
| 00:57.10 | pparadis | that will work fine, yes. |
| 00:57.18 | mdh | What is the proper way to reorder menu items on the GRUB 2 boot menu? |
| 00:57.23 | Future28 | So what kind of journaling system should I choose? |
| 00:57.31 | Future28 | I haven't done a linux install in a long while |
| 00:57.38 | chalcedony | abrotman, i really do appreciate all of everyone's help, i do. i just get overwhelmed with it |
| 00:58.01 | Blue1 | Future28: ext4 should work fine |
| 00:58.15 | dvs | chalcedony: you made it WAY more difficult that it needed to be. |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | chalcedony: the instructions at mozilla.debian.net cover it pretty well i thought |
| 00:58.26 | Future28 | Thanks Blue1 |
| 00:58.32 | Blue1 | Future28: welcome |
| 00:58.39 | Future28 | Cheers guys, I'm off to do this install then |
| 00:58.50 | Blue1 | Future28: good luck! |
| 00:58.56 | chalcedony | abrotman, um they might.. reading more |
| 01:00.05 | Blue1 | abrotman: curious. does the mozilla.debian.org site install a different version then what is currently avail. in the repos? THe offical release in the repo is 3.5. |
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| 01:01.54 | dvs | Blue1: mozilla.debian.net installs 11.0.2 |
| 01:02.29 | Blue1 | dvs: okay then my method, (imho) is better, because it installs the latest version. |
| 01:02.38 | dvs | ... |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | Blue1: mozilla.debian.net .. |
| 01:02.57 | dvs | Blue1: I mistyped 13.0.1 |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | Blue1: another advantage is that the mdn site allows you to install the ESR version |
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| 01:03.58 | Blue1 | abrotman: yes. mine is at: http://pkill-9.com/finding-installing-64-bit-firefox-thunderbird-debian/ |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | yeah .. that doesn't relaly interest me |
| 01:04.32 | dvs | never knew Eric Raymond had anything to do with Iceweasel |
| 01:04.56 | Blue1 | abrotman: what is esr? |
| 01:04.58 | chalcedony | i was going to say the mozilla.debian.net wants to give me 3.5 ? |
| 01:05.11 | abrotman | Extended Support Release |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | chalcedony: then you've done something wrong |
| 01:05.22 | Blue1 | abrotman: thanks -- never heard that one. |
| 01:05.34 | abrotman | right .. because you use SNS |
| 01:05.45 | dvs | chalcedony: or it could have been what you did when you changed those simlinks. |
| 01:05.47 | Blue1 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:06.18 | chalcedony | dvs it asks what version i want to install, 3.5 is the only one with numbers |
| 01:06.28 | dvs | what asks |
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| 01:07.12 | Blue1 | k out - thanks |
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| 01:08.15 | chalcedony | it offers: esr, release, beta, and aurora plus 3.5 |
| 01:08.24 | chalcedony | which one do i need? |
| 01:08.32 | dvs | WHAT OFFERS? |
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| 01:09.21 | stew | dvs: the drop down on mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:09.24 | stew | i'm guessing |
| 01:09.40 | chalcedony | dvs the line reads: I am running Debian [stable(Squeeze)] and I want to install [iceweasel] version [dropdown] |
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| 01:09.55 | stew | chalcedony: what is the thing that doesn't work with 3.5? |
| 01:09.56 | dvs | chalcedony: you want "release" |
| 01:09.58 | chalcedony | offers: esr, release, beta, and aurora plus 3.5 |
| 01:10.02 | chalcedony | Oh |
| 01:10.05 | chalcedony | thanks! |
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| 01:20.08 | chalcedony | Setting up iceweasel (13.0.1-1~bpo60+1) |
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| 01:25.12 | chalcedony | Some important features may not work in this version of your browser, so you have been redirected to the Basic HTML version. Upgrade to a modern browser, such as Google Chrome. |
| 01:25.33 | chalcedony | it's 13.01 |
| 01:25.49 | dvs | Ok. They just want people to use Chrome. |
| 01:25.49 | chalcedony | abrotman, ideas? |
| 01:26.23 | chalcedony | Chromium doesn't work either.. last time i did this updating debian fixed gmail |
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| 01:27.17 | alex-- | How can I make a complete backup of my filesystem to use later on in another system? |
| 01:27.54 | pparadis | alex--: either create a tarball of the filesystem, use rsync to make a copy of it, or use dd to make a block-level image of the filesystem. |
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| 01:29.37 | alex-- | what is block-level? |
| 01:29.45 | chalcedony | chromium is still giving me the same exact error |
| 01:29.57 | pparadis | alex--: a bit for bit copy of the partition the filesystem resides on. |
| 01:30.22 | alex-- | I'll explain my current situation; I have a VPS which is ending soon, but later on I want to access all my websites and databases I created, and some other settings/files. What is the best way to backup this? |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | chalcedony: what? |
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| 01:31.05 | dvs | chalcedony: I don't get that error. |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | chalcedony: did you disable JavaScript or something ? |
| 01:31.25 | chalcedony | abrotman, i did the iceweasel update |
| 01:31.36 | chalcedony | abrotman, i don't think so |
| 01:31.49 | pparadis | alex--: what's best for you is up to you. you may wish to consider using rsync to make a copy of the things you care about elsewhere. otherwise, if you can boot into a recovery mode/distro, you can use dd to just make an image of the VPS's disk, optionally compressing it on the fly and shooting the compressed image to a file on another server via ssh. |
| 01:31.50 | Devastator | at least we now know it's environmental |
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| 01:32.05 | pparadis | alex--: you should probably read the man pages for these things and google for examples if you are unsure. |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | chalcedony: tried clearing your cache? |
| 01:32.45 | chalcedony | abrotman would that affect both browsers? |
| 01:32.57 | chalcedony | and no |
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| 01:33.54 | abrotman | chalcedony: could it be a setting in yuor gmail / |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:34.50 | alex-- | hmm |
| 01:34.57 | chalcedony | abrotman gmail worked yesterday fine. i restarted iceweasel by closing all the windows, and when i opened it and restarted gmail, i got the error. |
| 01:34.59 | alex-- | How can i create a copy of the whole filesystem and tar it? |
| 01:35.42 | pparadis | alex--: have you tried googling for that? people here are volunteers, and are here to help others, but they're not here to do everything for you. if you have a specific question about a command line option, for example, that's different. |
| 01:36.07 | chalcedony | ive update and upgraded debian, and updated iceweasel, the error persists |
| 01:36.18 | pparadis | alex--: you've been given three different methods of accomplishing what you want to do. you should spend some time learning about what each of those tools does and looking at examples posted by others. |
| 01:37.52 | alex-- | sudo tar cvzpf /home/Backup.tgz --same-owner --exclude=/home/Backup.tgz --exclude=/home/error.log --exclude=/proc/* --exclude=/media/* --exclude=/dev/* --exclude=/mnt/* --exclude=/sys/* --exclude=/tmp/* / 2>/home/error.log |
| 01:38.07 | alex-- | is it really neccessary to exclude these folders? |
| 01:38.08 | pparadis | alex--: what version of linux are you using? |
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| 01:38.15 | alex-- | debian squeeze |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | chalcedony: do you have another OS handy to try somewhere else? |
| 01:38.50 | pparadis | alex--: do you actually understand what the command you just pasted does? |
| 01:39.02 | alex-- | yes |
| 01:39.24 | pparadis | do you understand what /dev is? |
| 01:39.27 | alex-- | no |
| 01:39.34 | alex-- | it backups to /home/Backup.tgz and keeps the filepermissions and outputs to a file |
| 01:40.03 | pparadis | alex--: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/linuxdir.html/ |
| 01:40.37 | chalcedony | abrotman, i have windows 7 on my laptop |
| 01:40.51 | ilius | alex--: /proc and /dev are virtual filesystems, their files does not exist in disk |
| 01:41.04 | ilius | alex--: its about kernel |
| 01:41.05 | alex-- | so no need to exclude them |
| 01:41.14 | pparadis | yes, you do need to exclude them. |
| 01:41.21 | ilius | alex--: you can't/shouldn't copy them |
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| 01:42.20 | alex-- | yes that's why they are excluded |
| 01:43.41 | ilius | alex--: specially /dev, for example if you copy /dev/sda, you are copying you whole hard disk |
| 01:44.04 | ilius | alex--: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/devproc.html |
| 01:44.27 | alex-- | ah |
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| 01:45.02 | abrotman | chalcedony: and you tried it there? |
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| 01:45.05 | ilius | alex--: also /mnt and /media contain mounted devices (hard disk partitions mostly) which you dont wonna copy probably |
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| 01:45.57 | alex-- | ok :) |
| 01:46.22 | ilius | alex--: /tmp and /sys is also in RAM |
| 01:46.33 | chalcedony | abrotman, i do not have the problem at all on windows 7 |
| 01:46.38 | ilius | or swap |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | chalcedony: can you create a new user in Debian, login as that user, and try it there? |
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| 02:00.17 | misterme | how would i go about obtaining and enabling acer-wmi module in debian? |
| 02:01.09 | abrotman | misterme: uname -r |
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| 02:01.31 | misterme | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 02:02.08 | abrotman | misterme: grep -i acer /boot/config-$(uname -r) .. doesn't show that ? |
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| 02:02.19 | SuperMiguel | any of you guys running debian on an 27 "iMac 2011?? |
| 02:02.54 | misterme | it has CONFIG_ACER_WMI=m |
| 02:03.13 | misterme | when i do modprobe acer-wmi I get "No such device" |
| 02:04.49 | misterme | i didn't select "Laptop" during the netinst installation, I'm wondering if I should've done that |
| 02:05.22 | misterme | is there a way to enable that without reinstalling the entire system again? |
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| 02:06.48 | abrotman | misterme: was support for your device added later? |
| 02:06.53 | engla | misterme: using tasksel |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell misterme about bpo |
| 02:07.06 | sney | misterme, you can run 'tasksel' to see that menu again |
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| 02:09.49 | aidalgol | So, if I want to keep using testing, what do I do once the wheezy freeze is over and released as stable? |
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| 02:10.09 | abrotman | aidalgol: change your sources to 'testing' ... but you likely don't want to do that |
| 02:10.44 | engla | why not just upgrade to the new release name (for testing) when it's announced |
| 02:10.57 | aidalgol | engla: So I *should* do that? |
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| 02:11.11 | abrotman | aidalgol: the period after a release is usually pretty messy in testing |
| 02:11.24 | aidalgol | So wait a while, then? |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | a flood of new packages .. things can get really nasty |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | i'd say to wait until you have a compelling reason to go to wheezy+1 |
| 02:11.44 | engla | aidalgol: there is no should. if you use debian you can do as y ou want if you assume the responsibility for your system yourself |
| 02:12.00 | aidalgol | engla: ah, of course |
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| 02:15.26 | aidalgol | abrotman: Come to think of it, I probably won't for a while. |
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| 02:20.09 | future28 | Hey guys, just got debian installed with x, I'm wanting to boot to command line and run 'startx' if I choose, what's the best way to go about this? |
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| 02:21.51 | dondelelcaro | future28: you can remove the desktop manager which you've installed; then X won't start on boot. |
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| 02:21.59 | nkuttler | !tell future28 about nodm |
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| 02:35.02 | future28 | Is it bad practice to mount a windows partition in linux to swap data over? |
| 02:35.09 | future28 | Such as pictures, pdfs etc |
| 02:36.37 | aidalgol | future28: No, that's probably the most sane way to do that. |
| 02:36.41 | future28 | Cheers |
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| 02:57.21 | Haggard | Hello |
| 02:58.10 | n-iCe | hi |
| 02:58.25 | Haggard | I want to set up an ftp server so I can send files to my server. What ftp program should I install? |
| 02:58.39 | Haggard | I only need LAN access for now. |
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| 03:00.15 | abrotman | vsftpd |
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| 03:00.50 | Haggard | abrotman: Thx I'll check it out. |
| 03:00.54 | mns | vsftpd and ncftp |
| 03:01.11 | future28 | Can anyone tell me what /etc/hosts.allow is? |
| 03:01.18 | Haggard | hmm, which is most simple to use? |
| 03:01.29 | Haggard | What are the benefits of each one? |
| 03:01.38 | mns | vsftpd for the server and ncftp for the client. |
| 03:01.50 | Haggard | Oh |
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| 03:01.55 | Haggard | is embarassed. |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | future28: man 5 hosts.allow |
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| 03:13.17 | future28 | abrotman, would it be fair to say that to lock down your system, ALL:ALL could be added to the hosts.deny? |
| 03:15.18 | pparadis | future28: if you're talking about locking down ssh access, you can just edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to only allow keys, disable password-based logins, disable root logins, etc. you could also use iptables or ebtales to restrict access to ssh to whitelisted IPs, so inbound connections don't even touch sshd at all. |
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| 03:16.32 | pparadis | i _very_ strongly encourage you to learn about iptables if you decide to use it for anything. as in read the man page, look at examples online, etc. barring that, if you absolutely need something to just make simple firewall rules, you might check out ufw. |
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| 03:19.35 | nkuttler | future28: it's a good start, but securing ports and services is also important |
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| 03:21.38 | Devastator | i rather secure ports and services than playing with hosts.deny |
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| 03:22.36 | nkuttler | i do all of it |
| 03:23.03 | Devastator | imho, that's overkill |
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| 03:24.17 | nkuttler | adding a few lines to two files in a few seconds? interesting view.. |
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| 03:25.36 | pparadis | nkuttler: i must agree that there's nothing wrong with defense in depth. better safe than sorry, right? helps cover cases where someone else or something else makes an unexpected change to one of those defense layers. |
| 03:26.45 | pparadis | but more often than not, for servers that i know i am the only one controlling the entire system config on, i do tend to default to doing most security tasks at the network and server edge. |
| 03:27.43 | Devastator | i don't see a point of touching hosts.deny if i have proper iptables rules, again, that's me |
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| 03:28.47 | pparadis | nod, different strokes for different folks, nothing wrong with that as long as you're sure the stuff you're doing is adequate in terms of protection. then again, it still doesn't hurt anything to be even more careful... security after all is a process, not a product ;) </schnier> |
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| 03:29.57 | Devastator | pparadis agreed, i guess i'm not that paranoid after all hehe |
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| 03:30.39 | Devastator | pparadis but some can never get enough |
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| 03:35.15 | future28 | Can someone guide me to port securing? |
| 03:35.20 | future28 | I'm unsure about my services |
| 03:35.23 | future28 | also |
| 03:35.48 | pparadis | future28: start here --> http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 03:36.00 | future28 | Thanks good sir |
| 03:36.33 | pparadis | future28: there are a *ton* of resources available on the web that explain iptables in depth, show real world configuration examples, and provide answers to common questions. |
| 03:37.21 | pparadis | future28: this does depend on you knowing what services you're actually running, though. if for some reason you don't know that, you might be interested in utilities like netstat and nmap. |
| 03:37.29 | pparadis | and ps, etc. |
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| 03:38.20 | future28 | I know a little about that |
| 03:38.24 | future28 | ps aux |
| 03:38.35 | future28 | and I use nmap and netcat and things similar |
| 03:39.02 | pparadis | future28: spend some quality time reading about the stuff i just listed, really learning about it. also, this is a great resource for general debian topics --> http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 03:39.53 | future28 | Thanks, Do I need to be in a particular directory to run iptables? |
| 03:40.02 | pparadis | future28: try it and find out :) |
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| 03:40.09 | future28 | :D |
| 03:40.19 | pparadis | future28: you do need to have root privs to use it, but you'll realize that as you try it and find out. |
| 03:40.38 | future28 | Yup, I disabled root but sudoing obviously |
| 03:40.58 | pparadis | future28: also, be careful with iptables. you don't want to lock yourself out of your box. the best answer is to play with configs on a test VM or other server, and to have out of band console access to whatever boxes you're working with. |
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| 03:42.50 | future28 | Is this all overkill for a pc? |
| 03:43.00 | future28 | Just wondering |
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| 03:43.10 | pparadis | future28: that's entirely up to you. |
| 03:43.43 | pparadis | future28: learn, have fun, volunteers are here to answer specific debian-related questions. for general chatter, you might like #linux or #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:47.48 | nkuttler | future28: a compromised pc is a base of attack to all servers you connect to |
| 03:48.10 | future28 | Yeah, I know |
| 03:48.13 | future28 | thanks though |
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| 03:48.29 | future28 | I feel like this is all over my head right now though |
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| 03:56.18 | zykotick9 | i've get enough insults from dpkg - what is the factoid for the new developers manual (the thing about packaging)? |
| 03:57.05 | Onixs | heyā¦ using a backport repo, whats the diff of a RT and non RT 3.2 kernel ? |
| 03:57.39 | pparadis | zykotick9: might what you're looking for be somewhere on here? http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 03:58.31 | zykotick9 | pparadis: thanks. |
| 03:58.42 | Flechmen | Hey, I'm trying to get Debian running right on a machine with a Via VT8235m southbridge that does audio and video, running XDM and LXDE, and it won't put out a resolution higher than 800x600. I've added modelines to xorg.conf but they get ignored, and my xorg log has a lot of "(bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)" lines in it |
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| 04:08.18 | avengre | Hello, i'm running a debian vmimage, already has an account/pw don't know root pw (or none set), how can I add the current user to the sudoers file? |
| 04:08.21 | avengre | so I can use sudo |
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| 04:08.49 | Flechmen | use root as the username and just hit enter at the password prompt? |
| 04:09.27 | LDungeon | su -c "visudo" |
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| 04:10.17 | zykotick9 | LDungeon: i'd add the user to the sudo group myself... don't know how without root access though |
| 04:10.32 | pparadis | avengre: if your current user account isn't in /etc/sudoers and you've forgotten the root password or disabled the root account on install, you can do this: |
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| 04:11.52 | pparadis | reboot the system, at the grub menu hit "e", append "init=/bin/bash the the line starting with "linux", issue the command "mount -o remount,rw /" and then issue the command "passwd" to set a root password. |
| 04:11.52 | LDungeon | oh... sorry... its late, i was thinking of a different scenario... |
| 04:12.34 | pparadis | zykotick9: the reboot again and you should be able to use the root account and add yourself to /etc/sudoers |
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| 04:27.01 | Flechmen | Anyone have ideas on my screen resolution problem/ |
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| 04:30.41 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi there is someone having issues trying to authenticate gtalk service using pidgin on xfce with wheezy ? |
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| 04:34.22 | ksuhku | Flechmen, repeat issue |
| 04:34.42 | zykotick9 | pparadis: my point, from a system managment perspective, i believe it's a lot cleaner to add users to the sudo group (also portable between systems), then adding a specific username to suders |
| 04:36.25 | Flechmen | ksuhku, I have a machine here, an IGEL 3200, it uses a Via VT8235m southbridge that does the audio and the video. I'm running it with XMD and LXDE and I cannot get it to use a screen resolution higher than 800x600. I put higher resolutions in modelines in my xorg.conf file but it gets ignored. My xorg logs also have a lot of lines of resolutions followed by "(bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)" |
| 04:37.19 | ksuhku | Flechmen, does xrandr list multiple outputs? |
| 04:38.12 | pparadis | zykotick9: i don't particularly care how you manage your own systems. that's your business. i was under the impression that you were unable to get root access to your box, so i gave you the instructions in the scrollback. |
| 04:39.03 | Flechmen | ksuhku, Xrandr is broken as far as I can tell. It only lists 600x480 and 800x600 and it throws up "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for outoput default" whenever I try to do anything |
| 04:39.53 | ksuhku | Flechmen, is that squeeze or? |
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| 04:40.11 | Flechmen | ksuhku, Yes, squeeze. I installed it with a netinst image |
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| 04:41.54 | eventide | perhaps you need drivers for your graphics hardware? |
| 04:42.30 | Flechmen | eventide, It installed the chrome drivers which support the chipset and its recognized properly in lspci |
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| 04:43.08 | brocatz | what's the recommended ftp server for debian, ideally it'd be wrapped in ssl or something, also i want to jail it to a single directory |
| 04:44.04 | Onixs | i have atom 64bit. whick kernel should i choose |
| 04:44.08 | emss | brocatz pure-ftpd, proftpd, wu-ftpd, vsftpd, sftp etc. |
| 04:44.11 | emss | there are many |
| 04:44.20 | Onixs | pae , 686 ? |
| 04:44.42 | emss | sftp = sshd with sftp support |
| 04:44.48 | Flechmen | brocatz, You can just use the openssl-server for secure ftp and http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 04:44.57 | Flechmen | openssh-server, sorry |
| 04:45.04 | ksuhku | Flechmen, have you tried a newer kernel? |
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| 04:45.22 | Flechmen | ksuhku, newer kernel won't boot due to lack of conditional move support |
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| 04:46.15 | ksuhku | Flechmen, where did you get the modelines? |
| 04:46.21 | brocatz | only concern is i'm setting this up for a small wildlife sanctuary and they probably want a web interface to maintain it |
| 04:46.22 | emss | Flechmen did you create the xorg.conf? x should/could autoconfigure itself |
| 04:46.31 | brocatz | not sure if there is a good answer there |
| 04:46.58 | Flechmen | ksuhku, I made them? emss, you would think but Squeeze does not use xorg.conf by default! |
| 04:47.25 | Flechmen | Had to actually _install_ xorg then run Xorg -configure to get it to use xorg.conf |
| 04:47.25 | emss | Flechmen because x can autoprobe/configure itself at runtime |
| 04:47.44 | Flechmen | emss, that'd be fine and dandy if it worked ;) |
| 04:47.54 | fed_123 | hello everyone, i have a small doubt |
| 04:48.15 | fed_123 | is there any way to check whether a debian service supports the 'reload' argument ? |
| 04:48.29 | Flechmen | fed_123, try it and see what happens? |
| 04:48.30 | emss | you can auto generate one using `X -configure' |
| 04:48.48 | Flechmen | emss, as far as I know, that's what Xorg -configure is supposed to do |
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| 04:49.18 | emss | yes, but i'm saying you could use that autogenerated one to start from and then made your modifications to it |
| 04:49.23 | Flechmen | brocatz, sorry, no ideas man |
| 04:49.31 | emss | made/make |
| 04:49.34 | fed_123 | Flechmen, actually i am working with multiple init scripts..i won't be possible for me to try and run each one |
| 04:49.58 | Flechmen | emss, that's what I did with the output of Xorg -configure. The result is above |
| 04:50.01 | fed_123 | to check the behavior with reload |
| 04:50.29 | Flechmen | Ah |
| 04:50.39 | emss | Flechmen what were the errors when you ran Xorg prior to the xorg.conf? |
| 04:51.16 | fed_123 | debian policy states that start , stop, restart and force-reload are mandatory to support by each init script |
| 04:51.24 | fed_123 | but reload is optional |
| 04:51.35 | Flechmen | emss, I don't know, I was tweaking xorg.conf in attempts to force a higher screen resolution and when it failed I went through the error logs |
| 04:51.38 | emss | brocatz there is a gui for proftpd i believe and you could see what webmin supports |
| 04:52.01 | emss | webmin is a www interface to many programs |
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| 04:52.38 | ksuhku | !webmin |
| 04:52.38 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 04:52.40 | Flechmen | Yea, Webmin works great... it would do all the transfers and stuff over SSL too |
| 04:52.53 | emss | ksuhku :) |
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| 04:54.07 | Flechmen | ksuhku, out of ideas? |
| 04:54.33 | ksuhku | Flechmen, guess so |
| 04:54.36 | emss | Flechmen so the original Xorg prior to xorg.conf worked but just had a low resolution? |
| 04:54.57 | Flechmen | emss, it's working now, there's no difference |
| 04:55.20 | Flechmen | Just, won't go above 800x600 and that resolution is unuseable |
| 04:55.28 | emss | did you see what modes were present with xrandr prior to you creating the xorg.conf and adding your custom modes? |
| 04:55.43 | Flechmen | Yes, 640x480 and 800x600 |
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| 04:56.51 | emss | ok, i don't know anything about the chrome driver, but you should be able to `man chrome' |
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| 04:57.10 | emss | or you could also try using the vesa driver |
| 04:57.42 | emss | that might be what xorg was using when only those low resolutions were available |
| 04:58.24 | Flechmen | I think it's been using the chrome drivers this whole time since those seem to be the drivers for the older Via chipsets |
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| 04:58.57 | jaggz- | my cronjobs are going into my syslog even when they have &>/dev/null on them |
| 04:59.20 | Sean-Der | Does anyone use Asterisk from the wheezy repos? It says func_curl is loaded, but it doesn't go in my dialplan |
| 05:00.25 | jaggz- | can I set MAILTO to empty "" only for one job? |
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| 05:01.01 | ksuhku | Flechmen, did you upload your xorg.conf somewhere for viewing? |
| 05:01.15 | gen0cide | Im having a problem removing dovecot, i accidently got an experimental verstion |
| 05:01.25 | emss | jaggz- well, you are just redirecting the output from the command and not doing anything with cron logging |
| 05:01.33 | Flechmen | ksuhku, let me install curl real quick so I can do that |
| 05:02.06 | emss | Flechmen upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 05:02.39 | jaggz- | I thought it used to be that no output meant no log .. |
| 05:02.41 | Flechmen | emss, xorg log http://sprunge.us/bMAC |
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| 05:03.11 | raptor67682 | Hi. a questino. I admin on server in UK and I would like to have the time of Paris. |
| 05:03.29 | Flechmen | ksuhku, Xorg.conf http://sprunge.us/NjBV |
| 05:03.34 | raptor67682 | If I use NTP daemon then I can update, and I always get 2 hours of diff |
| 05:03.45 | Sean-Der | raptor67682: Is the timezone correct? |
| 05:03.57 | raptor67682 | How to say NTP to sync it but to take timezone paris. |
| 05:04.06 | Sean-Der | check /etc/timezone |
| 05:04.29 | gen0cide | Im trying to reinstall dovecot after removing an exp version, but Im getting these errors: http://pastebin.com/3e3w4x7P |
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| 05:04.34 | raptor67682 | Etc/UTC |
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| 05:04.56 | emss | jaggz- man syslog.conf |
| 05:05.27 | Sean-Der | raptor67682: /usr/share/zoneinfo grab the right from there and replace that string |
| 05:05.37 | Sean-Der | I am not positive I dealt with that a long time ago |
| 05:05.38 | jaggz- | i don't want to stop all cron logs.. and this one isn't erroring I don't think.. hmm.. maybe I need an "exit" on the cron line?? |
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| 05:05.59 | Sean-Der | Europe/Paris should work |
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| 05:07.09 | emss | jaggz- also /etc/default/cron |
| 05:07.18 | Sean-Der | http://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges raptor67682 here is a wiki article on this actually |
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| 05:08.23 | jaggz- | nothing there |
| 05:08.46 | emss | oh you don't want to disable all logging |
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| 05:10.02 | ksuhku | Flechmen, does the graphics card share system memory in BIOS? |
| 05:10.16 | Flechmen | ksuhku, yes |
| 05:10.34 | raptor67682 | I too install ntp ... --no-recommands- apt-get install --no-install-recommends ntp |
| 05:10.40 | raptor67682 | installed. thank you |
| 05:10.52 | Sean-Der | raptor67682: so its working for you? |
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| 05:11.09 | Flechmen | ksuhku, The logs were saying before that it didn't have enough memory to support higher modes, so I bumped it up to 16MBs, and that warning went away |
| 05:11.30 | ksuhku | right |
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| 05:12.27 | Flechmen | ksuhku, the thing I don't get about all of this... is if I put the CF card back into the unit that it came with, it boots DSL, and in DSL I can push 1280x1024 without any problems... |
| 05:13.06 | Flechmen | With 8MBs of video memory |
| 05:13.16 | ksuhku | Flechmen, does the DSL use a xorg.conf file? |
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| 05:13.34 | Flechmen | ksuhku, I don't know, I haven't disected it |
| 05:13.49 | ksuhku | Flechmen, I think that's your best shot now |
| 05:14.11 | Flechmen | ksuhku, I just pulled out the card and tossed it in a drawer because it was small (64MBs). |
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| 05:15.28 | Sean-Der | raptor67682: I would check out the Wiki article on the subject that will be your best bet |
| 05:16.02 | raptor67682 | Sean-Der: well I would like to only install ntp and not apt-get install ntpd |
| 05:16.20 | raptor67682 | sorry ntpdate |
| 05:16.33 | raptor67682 | ntp is lightter then ntpdate if I reember well |
| 05:17.18 | raptor67682 | ntp is a daemon and ntpdate is a client as say aptitude... however all wiki mostly recommend ntpdate |
| 05:17.18 | Sean-Der | raptor67682: There is also a built in util it seems /usr/sbin/tzselect |
| 05:17.23 | raptor67682 | ntpdate is much ligther |
| 05:17.32 | raptor67682 | sorry much easier |
| 05:17.41 | Sean-Der | apropos timezone turned it up for me |
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| 05:18.07 | dax | !ntpdate |
| 05:18.07 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
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| 05:18.34 | ksuhku | ,rdate |
| 05:18.45 | raptor67682 | tzselect is cool |
| 05:18.55 | raptor67682 | dont know clock still same.... must go <away> |
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| 05:19.30 | emss | jaggz- `man 8 cron' and type /log and you can set that in /etc/default/cron |
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| 05:20.28 | Flechmen | ksuhku, DSL does not use an xorg.conf |
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| 05:22.24 | emss | Flechmen use X -configure |
| 05:22.39 | emss | and/or look at the Xorg.0.log |
| 05:24.11 | Flechmen | emss, there's no Xorg.0.log, and running X -configure throws up "/tmp/.X11-unix has suspicious mode (not 1777) or is not a directory, aborting" |
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| 05:26.56 | gen0cide | Why do I get these errors when I restart potfix? http://pastebin.com/W1EzZ92x |
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| 05:29.17 | emss | Flechmen Xorg -logfile |
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| 05:29.29 | emss | and -logverbose |
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| 05:30.03 | Flechmen | emss, Xorg - command not found |
| 05:30.09 | ksuhku | Flechmen, besides that, you could try enabling the VBEModes option in your xorg.conf, maybe it will work semi-automagically |
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| 05:30.35 | Flechmen | ksuhku, ehm, how might I go about doing that? |
| 05:30.55 | emss | Flechmen is x running? |
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| 05:31.33 | ksuhku | Flechmen, remove the first # to make it not-a-comment and then replace the # [<bool>] with "true" |
| 05:31.53 | Flechmen | emss, I have a graphical interface so I'm guessing it is? Top reports that Xvesa and xinit are running |
| 05:32.18 | Flechmen | ksuhku, Ok. Also, how would I use Vesa instead of Openchrome? |
| 05:32.27 | ksuhku | change driver to vesa |
| 05:32.32 | ksuhku | in xorg.conf |
| 05:32.49 | Flechmen | Ah |
| 05:33.17 | cardamon | Can anyone help me address a mime related issue I've yet been able to meet? xdg-open keeps opening pdfs in Gimp contrary to my settings or wishes. There's no DE. Here's some related information: http://paste.debian.net/178256/ |
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| 05:33.58 | ksuhku | I guess the Option "VBEModes" "true" would be worth trying as well |
| 05:34.36 | Flechmen | ksuhku, just wondering in case that's the next step is all |
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| 05:37.05 | emss | Flechmen Xorg might not be in your $PATH are you root? |
| 05:37.45 | Flechmen | emss, I was doing sudo |
| 05:39.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a list of linux games? |
| 05:39.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am lookin for a building type one.. |
| 05:41.03 | emss | Flechmen /usr/bin/Xorg if it's DSL that probably means it's heavily modified :\ |
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| 05:41.54 | Flechmen | emss, that's kinda what I figured. I already switched back to the CF card that has Debian on it, trying to use VBEModes and Vesa drivers |
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| 05:42.32 | gebi | morning all :) |
| 05:42.37 | ksuhku | cardamon, does kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop exist? |
| 05:43.05 | emss | Flechmen you can switch to another console (Ctrl+Alt+F1 F2,F3 etc.) and then `sudo startx -- :1 -logverbose -logfile ./xorglog' |
| 05:43.11 | emss | or even |
| 05:44.09 | emss | `sudo startx -- :1 -configure' |
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| 05:45.17 | Diopter | Woot! Can has MBP 13" with 16GB RAM and two SSDs running native EFI Debian |
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| 05:45.29 | Diopter | With all hardware and suspend working :D |
| 05:45.36 | Flechmen | emss, Ok, I'll do that if this doesn't work |
| 05:47.31 | emss | Diopter MBP ? |
| 05:47.36 | emss | oh |
| 05:47.38 | emss | nevermind |
| 05:47.41 | Flechmen | Macbookpro |
| 05:47.44 | cardamon | ksuhku: No. It's /usr/share/applications/kde4/okularApplication_pdf.desktop |
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| 05:48.00 | Diopter | emss, Flechmen: yarp. |
| 05:48.13 | Diopter | It's a late 2011 model 8,1 |
| 05:48.15 | cardamon | It seems to find it okay when gimp.desktop is gone. |
| 05:48.37 | Diopter | The 8,2 and 8,3 (15"/17") were enormous pains to attempt EFI booting due to the GPU muxing |
| 05:48.54 | Diopter | But the 13" just has an Intel HD integrated GPU. Works flawlessly |
| 05:49.23 | emss | Diopter oh, grpahics on the intel chip? |
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| 05:49.55 | Diopter | emss: Yep. |
| 05:50.12 | Diopter | The Intel linux drivers are quite awesome, and open source |
| 05:50.23 | ksuhku | unlike their wifi |
| 05:50.27 | emss | no, i ment |
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| 05:50.47 | Diopter | ksuhku: Needing firmware for their wifi is a sadness for sure :/ |
| 05:51.07 | emss | the 15 and 17" having cpus with integrated graphics and a "real" graphics card too causing the problem |
| 05:51.45 | Diopter | emss: Yes. |
| 05:52.03 | emss | change the cpu :) |
| 05:52.04 | Diopter | emss: Though it's been about 4 months since I tried |
| 05:52.08 | Flechmen | ksuhku, Ok, DBEmodes killed X entirely, and Vesa drivers just produce a black screen |
| 05:52.32 | ksuhku | interesting... |
| 05:53.11 | ksuhku | xorg is a bitch |
| 05:53.19 | Diopter | An angry one |
| 05:54.03 | Flechmen | ksuhku, So... what else is new...? |
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| 05:58.03 | ksuhku | Flechmen, try getting intimate with http://www.openchrome.org/openchrome.4.html |
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| 05:58.33 | ksuhku | I bet the solution is hidden there somewhere in plain sight... |
| 05:59.13 | ksuhku | and then you could try reading xorg logs for the VBEModes and vesa cases |
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| 05:59.34 | ksuhku | nice light prose... |
| 05:59.51 | Flechmen | ksuhku, My problem now is that with Vesa there, the screen is black and I can't get out of it |
| 06:00.17 | ksuhku | Flechmen, not even with ctrl+alt+f1? |
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| 06:01.27 | Flechmen | ksuhku, that was the first thing I did |
| 06:01.31 | ksuhku | yea |
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| 06:01.43 | emss | Flechmen do you see a cursor? |
| 06:01.58 | emss | mouse cursor |
| 06:02.01 | Flechmen | emss, no |
| 06:02.38 | emss | Flechmen you can try ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 06:02.47 | emss | i don't think that will work though |
| 06:03.36 | Flechmen | emss, I switched back to DSL and ran that command you told me and it didn't make a file |
| 06:03.56 | emss | try running Xorg using /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 06:04.08 | emss | but DSL might not even use that, i have no idea :\ |
| 06:04.58 | Diopter | Why are we troubleshooting DSL in here exactly...? |
| 06:05.18 | Flechmen | emss, indeed you are correct, DSL does not use that |
| 06:05.46 | Flechmen | Diopter, My problem does not exist in DSL so I'm trying to extract useful information from it. But, I do not know what information is useful so that's why emss is helping me |
| 06:05.57 | Diopter | Ah |
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| 06:08.35 | hanibana | I have a Linux server, behind a firewall, with some services run on and is going to have a public IP address. In the matter of security best practices, which is better? 1- Valid IP address be set on firewall and it NATs ports to the internal (private) IP set on server. 2- Valid IP address be set on server and firewall routes packets to, but just packets with permitted ports. |
| 06:09.12 | ksuhku | Flechmen, have you tried using the panelsize option of the driver? |
| 06:09.37 | Flechmen | I have not |
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| 06:10.10 | Diopter | hanibana: Both are quite common. Really it depends on whether you need to do any NAT. |
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| 06:14.40 | hanibana | Diopter: another point: firewall is NOT ours. It's for ISP (actually hosting company possibly with IDS/IPS systems...). any other comment? |
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| 06:15.48 | Diopter | hanibana: Depends on the hosting company, how responsive they are when you need to make changes, etc |
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| 06:16.29 | Flechmen | ok |
| 06:16.40 | Diopter | hanibana: I work for a very large hosting company, and for most segments we're very flexible and responsive. But you still might want to manage things yourself, in which case simple no-NAT routing on the firewall is a good way to go |
| 06:16.56 | Flechmen | ksuhku, It seems that if I uncomment any of those driver options in xorg.conf it kills X |
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| 06:17.30 | ksuhku | Flechmen, can you access the log? |
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| 06:18.06 | jaggz- | Limit selection to visible isn't working |
| 06:18.20 | jaggz- | it worked before.. now it's not. My clipping I set from .001 to 10.00 |
| 06:18.35 | Flechmen | ksuhku, http://sprunge.us/dccR |
| 06:18.40 | jaggz- | okay.. .05 to 10 works |
| 06:18.45 | jaggz- | it's the bottom limit affecting it |
| 06:19.04 | Flechmen | Maybe I need it to be in quotes |
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| 06:19.37 | ksuhku | Flechmen, please post also the corresponding xorg.conf |
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| 06:20.04 | ksuhku | that's a syntax error all right |
| 06:20.36 | Flechmen | ksuhku, yes, it needs to be in quotes. Putting it in quotes let X run again, however its still stuck in 800x600 |
| 06:21.18 | ksuhku | Flechmen, try the vbemodes in quotes |
| 06:21.45 | ksuhku | "you can never be too rich, too thin, too republican or use too many quotes" |
| 06:22.07 | Flechmen | Hey, there we go |
| 06:22.39 | Diopter | ksuhku: Particularly in bash. |
| 06:22.46 | Diopter | Or anytime ssh is involved |
| 06:23.00 | ksuhku | yea, I've done that dance a few times |
| 06:23.36 | Flechmen | ksuhku, yeap, that worked. It's running at 1280x1024 now |
| 06:23.45 | ksuhku | yeehaaw! |
| 06:24.17 | ksuhku | Flechmen, so the vbemodes was it? |
| 06:24.21 | Flechmen | Yeah |
| 06:24.28 | Flechmen | openchrome driver, vbemodes |
| 06:24.38 | Flechmen | Now to put this thing back together |
| 06:24.49 | ksuhku | anything else we can do for you today? :) |
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| 06:25.37 | Flechmen | If you could take all of your knowledge of WindowMaker, and download it directly into my brain, so I can wrap my head around it and maybe start to understand it, that'd be cool |
| 06:25.43 | ksuhku | hehe |
| 06:25.45 | ksuhku | !next |
| 06:25.45 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 06:26.07 | Desmond | Hi, my debian installer hangs. On regular install, it hangs with a blue screen and a grey text box. On graphical install, it hangs on "Detecting network hardware" |
| 06:26.14 | Flechmen | Thanks ksuhku and emss |
| 06:26.29 | ksuhku | Flechmen, you're quite welcome! |
| 06:26.37 | Desmond | what would you do in this situation? |
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| 06:28.19 | Desmond | Hmm well pressing CTRL and C at the same time did something |
| 06:28.28 | Desmond | now it's asking me to configure my network |
| 06:29.18 | ksuhku | Desmond, wired or wireless? |
| 06:29.25 | Desmond | wired |
| 06:29.38 | Desmond | i have two nw interfaces, eth0 and eth1 if that matters |
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| 06:30.00 | ksuhku | Desmond, can you disable either in BIOS? |
| 06:30.03 | Desmond | eth0 is broken, so it might be trying to dchp eth0 and breaking |
| 06:30.13 | Desmond | Um... I'm not sure. never tried |
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| 06:31.19 | Diopter | Desmond: The detection itself shouldn't be trying to DHCP, no |
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| 06:35.11 | Desmond | well both the graphical and console install on the netinst cd is having issues throughout the entire process, and i don't know what to do about that |
| 06:36.41 | Diopter | Desmond: Perhaps your hardware is very new. You might need to use the wheezy/testing installer, to possibly install wheezy/testing. |
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| 06:37.17 | Diopter | A decent handful of very new hardware requires newer firmware or recent kernel features |
| 06:37.21 | Desmond | my hardware is a year old but i noticed that several distros have problems with it |
| 06:37.27 | Desmond | well, two years old now |
| 06:37.28 | Diopter | mm |
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| 06:39.53 | Diopter | Maybe someone else can assist you more. I'm late for bed |
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| 06:41.57 | toString | hi all |
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| 06:53.47 | hanibana | Thank you Diopter. |
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| 06:58.05 | isaqual | or how to rewrite that url |
| 06:59.20 | nkuttler | isaqual: #httpd |
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| 07:15.46 | verblendet | good morning. i installed a fresh squeeze on y thinkpad l520. now i want to add a simple boot option to the kernel entry in grub. but it seems a simple grub.conf does no more exists. instead some weird config files in /etc/grubd.d and something in /etc/default/grub |
| 07:16.02 | verblendet | where to add a simple option for ALL boots, like noapic and vga= something? |
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| 07:18.21 | verblendet | a lot of weird settings in dont get, or better i dont like to dig into in /etc/grub.d .... |
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| 07:18.32 | verblendet | where is grub.conf? |
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| 07:19.52 | Andy1978 | verblendet: Have you read http://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Configuring_grub_v2 ? |
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| 07:22.12 | verblendet | Andy1978: that does not help a lot |
| 07:22.28 | verblendet | i dont understand why there must be some weird scripts in /etc/grub.d |
| 07:22.44 | verblendet | i cant find a single line where to put standard boot options or modify them |
| 07:23.00 | verblendet | what has happened to squeeze? is that normal grub behaviour? |
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| 07:23.25 | Andy1978 | verblendet: versions>=squeeze use grub2 |
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| 07:23.31 | verblendet | with every new debian release i feel like a dumb idiot having no clue on whats going on on my computer |
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| 07:23.43 | dax | Have you looked in /etc/default/grub as the link you were given mentions? |
| 07:23.52 | verblendet | Andy1978: im on lenny stable with my production laptop, now i got a new one for work |
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| 07:24.17 | Andy1978 | verblendet: Hm, the link tolds me, that I should edit /etc/default/grub and in your case, add "noapic" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 07:24.20 | verblendet | dax, etc/default/grub is something debian specific, i need a simple normal well known grub.,conf where i could put my options |
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| 07:24.42 | dax | You're using Debian, so I am not sure why "something debian specific" matters |
| 07:24.43 | verblendet | Andy1978: i also wanna modify all those other magic settings done by debian automagism |
| 07:25.13 | verblendet | dax: because debian changes things very often and let uisers feel like a dumb ass sometimes |
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| 07:26.29 | BenNZ | verblendet: you could just put all your menuentries in /etc/grub.d/40_custom , then you could edit them however you wish |
| 07:27.05 | verblendet | is there some action needed after changing those files? |
| 07:27.23 | verblendet | something like grub-magic.do.update-generate-new-config-and-save? |
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| 07:27.33 | Andy1978 | verblendet: whats you problem with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub? |
| 07:27.36 | BenNZ | verblendet: yes you need to run sudo update-grub afterwards |
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| 07:27.59 | verblendet | Andy1978: not all options i see in grub startup and editing kernel options line is liosted there |
| 07:28.04 | verblendet | only 'quiet' |
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| 07:28.30 | Andy1978 | yes, I thought you want to add nopic for all entries? |
| 07:28.36 | toString | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 07:28.36 | verblendet | what was wrong with a central grub.conf |
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| 07:28.57 | BenNZ | verblendet: well you need to create the menuentries , have a look in your grub.cfg for what the menuentry should look like |
| 07:28.58 | verblendet | Andy1978: i mentioned that before: i want to have full control of all options |
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| 07:29.05 | toString | how confident should be with such a solution to a brand new install on a unattended remote server? |
| 07:29.11 | toString | *should i |
| 07:29.14 | verblendet | BenNZ: grub.cfg is a pain |
| 07:29.21 | toString | (i'm asking for an opinion) |
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| 07:30.09 | BenNZ | verblendet: you dont edit it by hand |
| 07:30.28 | verblendet | BenNZ: yeah, and thats the problem, its a script, no more a config file |
| 07:30.50 | verblendet | so is this grub specific or a new debianism? |
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| 07:31.47 | verblendet | if grub, then i have to live with it, if debianism, i must rethink if this distro is the correct one |
| 07:32.18 | BenNZ | verblendet: grub in general altho there are debianisms in it |
| 07:32.56 | verblendet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.46 | stockholm | i dont think so |
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| 07:34.08 | stockholm | ask in #grub, there are some debian-knowledgeable peoeple there too |
| 07:34.21 | BenNZ | verblendet: grub.cfg is the same , just the scripts used to generate it maybe different , depending on the distro |
| 07:34.47 | verblendet | funny, all grub cvommand are beginning with grub- , but to update the command is update-grub |
| 07:35.03 | verblendet | ok, update-grub takes a very long time and reports weird things |
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| 07:35.24 | verblendet | "sending ioctl 1261 to a partition!" and that 50 times or so |
| 07:35.37 | verblendet | wtf? |
| 07:36.11 | BenNZ | verblendet: not sure on that one |
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| 07:37.22 | verblendet | i guess its that silly lenovo laptop, i got no correct resolution in x, using xorg.conf fails completely after x -configure, also kdm and gdm are fucked up after reconfigure them.... |
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| 07:37.40 | verblendet | ill try lenny and if not working i throw it out of the window |
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| 07:39.10 | ksuhku | verblendet, lenny is long eol |
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| 07:40.02 | Dark3nedFaith | I'm having an unreasonably hard time installing flash in firefox 13 |
| 07:40.28 | Dark3nedFaith | no matter what I do, it won't show up in the plugins |
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| 07:43.15 | Andy1978 | Dark3nedFaith: Firefoy in Debian? Or Iceweasel? |
| 07:43.24 | Andy1978 | s/y/x |
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| 07:43.58 | Dark3nedFaith | firefox in debian |
| 07:44.19 | Dark3nedFaith | I switched back to firefox 13 |
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| 07:47.44 | dawud | Dark3nedFaith: update-flashplugin-nonfree --status ? |
| 07:49.01 | Dark3nedFaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.30 | dawud | Dark3nedFaith: yeah, more like: Flash Player version: LNX 11,2,202,236 |
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| 07:49.54 | Dark3nedFaith | Flash Player version: LNX 11,2,202,236 |
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| 07:50.14 | Dark3nedFaith | sorry, I missed that somehow |
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| 07:51.18 | dawud | Dark3nedFaith: squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 07:58.22 | rgenito | aww man i'm sad :( |
| 07:58.39 | rgenito | i try: sshfs user@location:/mnt /my/mount/point |
| 07:58.42 | rgenito | and i get the error: |
| 07:59.00 | rgenito | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
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| 07:59.33 | rgenito | oh wait i see, i dont think i properly added my user to the "fuse" group... |
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| 08:00.19 | Mimiko | Hello. I have a problem with iptables. I've opened TCP/UDP 137:139,445 for incoming and output is accept, bur still cant browse windows network from the debian station |
| 08:00.58 | rgenito | ah ya wtf... i log in as root, then i add "fuse" group to my user. i then do "groups username_here" ... and i confirm that my user is in that group |
| 08:01.10 | rgenito | THEN, i re-log back into that user... and my user no longer has the "fuse" group! any idea what's going on? |
| 08:01.14 | rgenito | <--- using debian squeeze |
| 08:02.34 | dawud | rgenito: restarting xdm/gdm/kdm helps |
| 08:02.49 | rgenito | dawud...ahh, didn't do that part |
| 08:02.51 | rgenito | thanks :) |
| 08:03.32 | dawud | Mimiko: do you have logging rules? do you accept RELATED connections, as in '-A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT' ? |
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| 08:04.23 | Mimiko | dawud, I have -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
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| 08:04.52 | dawud | Mimiko: should do the trick, what about logging? |
| 08:05.11 | Mimiko | No logging rule |
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| 08:05.30 | dawud | Mimiko: so add a logging rule before COMMIT to see what's happening |
| 08:05.37 | daniel-s | Hi, I get this problem when trying to install: http://i.imgur.com/jecS0.png |
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| 08:05.54 | Mimiko | dawud, how to do that and where after that to look? |
| 08:06.01 | daniel-s | using the current alpha 1 of wheezy, the lxde + xfce CD, amd64 |
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| 08:07.20 | dawud | Mimiko: -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix "LOGGING EVERYTHING: " and take a look at /var/log/messages |
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| 08:09.01 | verblendet | ksuhku: but it just works.... |
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| 08:09.40 | ksuhku | verblendet, squeeze works too! |
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| 08:11.01 | verblendet | how can i re-enable ctrl-alt-backspace to restart xx server? going through the logout procedure takes a long time, not really useful for testing X configs |
| 08:11.07 | Mimiko | dawud, a lot of kernel: [ 9915.900704] LOGGING EVERYTHING: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=.... SRC=other_IP DST=debian_IP LEN=90 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=24580 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=46276 LEN=70 |
| 08:11.22 | verblendet | (i dont see a good reason to disable that) |
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| 08:12.03 | joulez | Hi, I need to remove gnome, whats the best way to do that? |
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| 08:13.35 | dawud | Mimiko: see those SPT (source port) and DPT (destination port) ? looks like you need to accept UDP traffic with SPT 137 from other_IP |
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| 08:14.01 | joulez | found it.. |
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| 08:15.55 | Mimiko | dawud, I see. But opening any incomming connection with SPT 137 may be a sequrity breach. I see that DPT on local is changing. May be I can specify to bind to specific port, or some how track connections from local debian to port 137 and back |
| 08:16.31 | Andy1978 | verblendet, see the docs "The Ctrl-Alt-Backspace key combination currently "zaps" (hard-restarts) the X server, and thus loses any unsaved data in applications...This key combination is also largely undocumented, so users (probably ex-Windows users) may press this key combination without expecting data loss" |
| 08:16.58 | dawud | Mimiko: getent services 137 shows that's netbios traffic |
| 08:17.15 | Andy1978 | ists still available with AltGr-SysReq-K |
| 08:17.26 | Mimiko | dawud, yes, but an attacker or a virus on windows station can exploit it |
| 08:17.27 | engla | Andy1978: it can be enabled in xorg.conf.d |
| 08:17.35 | Andy1978 | engla: Sure |
| 08:17.54 | Andy1978 | engla: "DontZap" false |
| 08:18.22 | Mimiko | dawud, like --sport TCP 137 --dport ANY to try to break |
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| 08:19.16 | Andy1978 | engla: Did this help? |
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| 08:19.53 | dawud | Mimiko: I guess netbios traffic doesn't make any sense to be accepted on a GNU/Linux box. Have you checked the windows side? |
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| 08:20.20 | engla | Andy1978: it's not for me |
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| 08:21.51 | Mimiko | dawud, I think there is nothing to check on windows side, as it is working fine. And if firewall on a windows blocks everything in, browsing network is still possible. Much of wich, that firewall tracks related packets. |
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| 08:25.02 | dawud | Mimiko: on second thoughts, do you have a samba server running on the linux side? no need to open ports for incoming connections if all you need is browse the windows resources |
| 08:25.56 | dawud | Mimiko: IOW, your samba client's connections need to be accepted on the windows side |
| 08:26.10 | Mimiko | dawud, I think samba is not installed, its a default Debian installation where I didnt select samba to be installed. And yes, I want to browse from debian to other windows stations |
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| 08:26.39 | dawud | Mimiko: you need samba for that. not an iptables problem then |
| 08:27.06 | Mimiko | dawud, if i disable firewall, ie accept all incomming, then debian can browse network |
| 08:27.35 | dawud | Mimiko: dpkg -l | grep samba |
| 08:27.59 | Calinou | Mimiko, allow/forward the correct ports? |
| 08:28.06 | Calinou | inb4 /me gets +q'd again |
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| 08:28.17 | dawud | Mimiko: and then, you're dropping traffic, define smart logging rues to find out why |
| 08:28.23 | Mimiko | dawud, this command shows nothing |
| 08:28.35 | dawud | Mimiko: so no samba |
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| 08:29.23 | Mimiko | dawud, as you mentioned, in logging is shown that packets from remote server is droped because DPT is 46XXX, which of course is blocked by firewall on incoming |
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| 08:30.25 | dawud | Mimiko: so you need to accept UDP SPT 137 from a trusted set of hosts |
| 08:31.33 | wouter_ | Is it possible to link the volume levels of my internal & external sound cards together? Because the keyboard volume keys change now only the volume of the onboard card, not my external sound cards volume |
| 08:31.56 | Mimiko | dawud, as local corporate windows network is not safe, accepting from windows on SPT UPD 137 is freatening, as a virus on windows can use that port to scan linux sistem |
| 08:31.57 | dawud | Mimiko: try that to see if it solves the issue, and then, refine the rule to accept as few hosts as possible |
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| 08:32.37 | dawud | Mimiko: of course it's safer not to use it, but you want to use it, right? |
| 08:32.47 | Mimiko | dawud, dont the iptables had to track outgoing connections and related to accept? |
| 08:32.51 | ksuhku | wouter_, see the amixer command |
| 08:33.19 | Mimiko | dawud, in windows if all incoming ports is blocked, still the host can browse network __ |
| 08:33.34 | dawud | Mimiko: IIRC, you had OUTPUT in ACCEPT mode, right? |
| 08:33.42 | Mimiko | dawud, yes |
| 08:33.53 | dawud | Mimiko: I don't do windows, I wouldn't know |
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| 08:34.51 | dawud | Mimiko: no need to track related outgoing connections, as everything is accepted |
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| 08:35.12 | Mimiko | dawud, as for example using wget to acces a file to remote TCP 80, the wget will use a random local port, so remote server will back packets with SPT 80 and DPT that random port used |
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| 08:36.04 | Mimiko | but in case of networking, I start to thing that response packets from the server may be with different DPT port for local linux box |
| 08:36.19 | dawud | Mimiko: yes that's what -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT is for, but that's for a DROP INPUT chain |
| 08:36.24 | wouter_ | how can I use amixer such that my volume keys on keyboard control both soundcards? |
| 08:37.39 | Mimiko | dawud, adding that rule, does not help |
| 08:38.21 | dawud | Mimiko: because that's for INPUT connections |
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| 08:38.42 | dawud | Mimiko: accept for the sake of checking, UDP SPT 137 to host |
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| 08:38.54 | dawud | Mimiko: if that solves your issue, we can move forward |
| 08:39.48 | Mimiko | dawud, yes, this solves |
| 08:40.00 | cardamon | Having some mime troubles. |
| 08:40.04 | Dark3nedFaith | sorry about earlier...my internet dropped for a bit |
| 08:40.40 | cardamon | One put me in an invisible box then set xdg-open to default to gimp for pdfs. |
| 08:40.50 | dawud | Mimiko: so now, you need to decide if you're going to allow traffic from an allegedly untrusted net, or not |
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| 08:41.28 | dawud | Dark3nedFaith: squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 08:41.33 | Mimiko | dawud, I want to be able to browse to any host in local network |
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| 08:42.01 | dawud | Mimiko: then you'll have to accept the insecurities it brings. |
| 08:42.14 | cardamon | I've tried setting the mime type manually and with xdg-mime, but nothing short of editting mimecache.info seems to do anything and that gets changed with every reboot or update-desktop-database |
| 08:42.16 | dawud | Mimiko: as you said, windows net is not trustworthy |
| 08:42.18 | Dark3nedFaith | wheezy |
| 08:42.23 | Mimiko | dawud, but why RELATED and ESTABLISHED rules does not work? |
| 08:42.26 | cardamon | Notes here: http://paste.debian.net/178266/ |
| 08:42.28 | Dark3nedFaith | I was thinking about checking out the wheezy chat too |
| 08:42.36 | dawud | Dark3nedFaith: oks |
| 08:43.05 | dawud | Mimiko: because they apply only for incoming connections, not outgoing |
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| 08:43.48 | Mimiko | dawud, is this meaning that windows firewall is more intelectual in this case? |
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| 08:44.04 | dawud | Mimiko: I truly doubt so |
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| 08:44.48 | metaphysician | how to ask dpkg bot about the Homepage URL of a package? |
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| 08:45.31 | dawud | metaphysician: depends, try /msg dpkg $pkg |
| 08:46.08 | Mimiko | dawud, ok, a wget command. First rule: output - accepted, DPT TCP 80, SPT random TCP; the packets are returning with SPT TCP 80 and DPT that random TCP port. And it is working |
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| 08:47.19 | Mimiko | For network browsing: outgoing SPT random port, DPT UDP 137; incoming SPT UDP 137, DPT random port - maybe different |
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| 08:49.47 | daniel-s | I have a debian cd, my netbook has no cd drive |
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| 08:50.25 | daniel-s | is it possible to copy the contents of the cd to a USB stick, then let apt use the packages at a folder on the drive to install from |
| 08:51.09 | nevyn | daniel-s: the cd is hybrid so you can just dd it to a memory stick and boot it if you want. |
| 08:51.26 | daniel-s | I have done that |
| 08:51.34 | daniel-s | my problem is that I used the netinstall |
| 08:51.59 | daniel-s | the cd with the lxde packages on it has been dd to my usb |
| 08:52.21 | daniel-s | but apt-cdrom add doesn't work |
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| 08:54.01 | Mimiko | dawud, kernel: [12510.624756] LOGGING OUTPUT: IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=debian_IP DST=A.B.255.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=51299 DPT=137 LEN=58 |
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| 08:54.54 | Mimiko | dawud, so conntrack cant track, as resulting incomming packet is not with SRC with A.B.255.255, bit some host ip |
| 08:55.26 | Mimiko | now, how to specify smb:// browsing to use some specific port insteed on random? |
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| 08:56.59 | daniel-s | this worked :) deb file:/home/user/repository |
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| 09:03.00 | dawud | Mimiko: that's broadcast, and I don't think you can change how samba works |
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| 09:05.18 | dym | Hey - i wrote a little script for my monit to use in case of an unreachable port. for some strange reason it executes it without the given parameters. anyone got an idea? http://pastebin.com/NRRw1Zk4 |
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| 09:06.08 | mithrop | hi everyone. I have a problem with the update of a mysql-common packet for a long time right now. the problem is that I am not really comfortable with dependancies and I don't really what to do. This is the aptitude command I type (sorry for mistake in translation... I'm on a french system..) : http://pastebin.com/zxWJQc6f |
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| 09:09.27 | ksk | mithrop: you better do "LC=C aptitude $whatever" to produce english output |
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| 09:10.36 | mithrop | ok. I give you the new version ;) |
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| 09:11.29 | Mimiko | dawud, I will have to use a separate file to enable browsing and disabling when needed |
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| 09:12.03 | Mimiko | dawud, iptables doesnt have rules to allow input and output from specific software? |
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| 09:13.32 | mithrop | ksk, still have the french version oO |
| 09:14.05 | dawud | Mimiko: tcpwrappers can do that |
| 09:14.21 | dawud | Mimiko: if, and only if the application supports it |
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| 09:15.12 | Mimiko | dawud, thank you for help |
| 09:15.39 | dawud | Mimiko: no problem |
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| 09:15.56 | toString | Mimiko: just a supposition |
| 09:16.21 | toString | no matter |
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| 09:16.31 | toString | going to say something stupid, probably |
| 09:16.51 | toString | thinking about binding the software to a virtual interface |
| 09:16.58 | toString | and rules traffic to that with iptables |
| 09:17.16 | dawud | toString: on what purpose? |
| 09:18.15 | toString | "iptables doesnt have rules to allow input and output from specific software?" |
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| 09:18.26 | toString | just for the original question |
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| 09:18.52 | metaphysician | ,versions sbcl |
| 09:18.55 | judd | Package: sbcl on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.18.0-2; squeeze: 1:1.0.40.0-3; sid: 2:1.0.57.0-2; wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2 |
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| 09:34.22 | Chetic | why do I get 'Ć¢'s instead of the fancy lines (for example in module-assistant) when I connect over SSH? need a specific font? |
| 09:34.36 | kbar | Chetic: you need to use utf-8 |
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| 09:35.07 | kbar | dpkg-reconfigure locales i think is the relevant command for debian |
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| 09:35.57 | Chetic | not sure how to know which one to pick in putty.. |
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| 09:37.18 | Calinou | Chetic, UTF-8? |
| 09:37.22 | Calinou | the "standard" one, or whatever it is |
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| 09:38.20 | Chetic | doesn't say utf-8 anywhere in putty |
| 09:39.00 | Calinou | I don't use putty... so I can't know |
| 09:39.00 | kbar | Chetic: ..... |
| 09:39.01 | ilius | Chetic: whats you active locale(s) ? |
| 09:39.15 | kbar | Chetic: there is an option for UTF-8 in putty. I use it all the time |
| 09:39.37 | Chetic | and there it is :p |
| 09:39.43 | Chetic | I was just looking at fonts |
| 09:39.48 | Chetic | sorry |
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| 09:39.50 | kbar | you may need to update your locales on the remote system too |
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| 09:40.07 | ShishKabab | I have 2GB of RAM and somehow I'm swapping 500MB of RAM which is trashing my HDD and making everything very slow. If I look at my processes, I don't see the reason why my memory is full. Is there anything that could eat memory besides processes? |
| 09:40.34 | ilius | !version |
| 09:40.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 09:40.49 | Chetic | works! just had to change to utf-8 in translation. thank you kbar :) |
| 09:41.02 | kbar | np |
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| 09:41.13 | haylo | ShishKabab, with 2gigs of ram you shouldnt ever go into swap |
| 09:41.21 | kbar | haylo: inb4 java? |
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| 09:41.42 | haylo | oh, lol. idk maybe things are changing |
| 09:41.52 | kbar | haylo: that's why they make 64 bit systems :) |
| 09:42.16 | haylo | kbar, i never go above 200-800 Mibs with 64bit |
| 09:42.26 | kbar | heh |
| 09:42.35 | Cultist | quick question, as a non-gnome user, I need to know if this Android-looking application menu is a standard Gnome feature or if that's a debian customization |
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| 09:42.40 | kbar | i think i read somewhere where it's recommended you use 32bit if you're never gonna go above 3GB |
| 09:42.46 | kbar | better overhead or something |
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| 09:43.19 | Calinou | ShishKabab, you could change your swappiness value; also see top |
| 09:43.32 | kbar | echo "$VALUE" > /proc/sys/swappiness |
| 09:43.42 | kbar | VALUE = something lower than 60 |
| 09:44.07 | kbar | then swapon -a && swapon -a |
| 09:44.08 | kbar | err |
| 09:44.13 | kbar | swapoff -a && swapon -a |
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| 09:44.22 | kbar | you should sync before doing so |
| 09:44.51 | ShishKabab | kbar: Sync? |
| 09:44.53 | ilius | what was the bot for checking package versions? |
| 09:44.54 | Sevet | ShishKabab: run htop and sort by MEM% to see what's using the most memory |
| 09:44.57 | kbar | dpkg |
| 09:45.11 | kbar | ShishKabab: sync |
| 09:45.16 | haylo | kbar, i dont think thats the real reason to use 32 bit. And your 64 bit systems never need to be hitting 3gigs of ram, thats virtually broken unless you are pushing the computer to its limits, perhaps with a scientific data calculation |
| 09:45.35 | kbar | shrugs |
| 09:45.41 | streuner | ilius: /msg judd <package> version |
| 09:46.23 | Sevet | ShishKabab: linux will also use unused memory as a filesystem cache, but that shouldn't cause swapping as it's only otherwise unused memory |
| 09:46.24 | kbar | 64bit systems are able to take advantage of more than $amount of RAM... as such, if your application requires more than $amount of RAM, use 64bit. otherwise, maybe consider 32bit. that's my thinking. |
| 09:46.39 | ilius | streuner: tnx |
| 09:46.40 | Sevet | ShishKabab: if you're swapping it's almost certainly because processes are indeed using that ram |
| 09:46.42 | streuner | ilius: but packages.debian.org/<package> works too... |
| 09:46.47 | kbar | ShishKabab: check free -m |
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| 09:47.27 | haylo | kbar, 32 bit can use handle 16gigs of ram. you just need to use a pae kernel |
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| 09:47.58 | streuner | judd, gimp versions |
| 09:48.12 | haylo | i am running 64bit @ 120mibs ram right now, 220 in ubuntu |
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| 09:48.36 | ShishKabab | kbar: With free -m I see that I am actually using all my memory somehow (I have 83M left) and I'm using 570M of swap. So I think running swapoff could be kind of dangerous, or not? |
| 09:49.48 | haylo | ShishKabab, computers write memory to swap for the hibernate or suspend function. otherwise its basically obsolete |
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| 09:49.59 | Onixs | what about on Atom x64 cpu with 4gb of ram, is it advisable to use PAE kernel ? |
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| 09:50.15 | ShishKabab | kbar: But all processes seem to add up to about 1.2GB max. |
| 09:50.16 | Sevet | ShishKabab: if you're using all your ram, with swap off you're likely to have the oom killer start killing your apps |
| 09:50.26 | Sevet | ShishKabab: use htop to see what's using the ram |
| 09:50.30 | haylo | you dont need pae with a 64bit kernel Onixs |
| 09:50.33 | kbar | ShishKabab: paste free -m in pastebin |
| 09:51.01 | ksk | hey |
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| 09:51.24 | ksk | is there a max lenght / maximum number of values in "search domain" in resolv.conf or some restriction like tat? |
| 09:51.49 | darsie | Can I tell aptitude to keep searching until it finds a dependency resolution in which iceweasel will be installed? |
| 09:51.49 | ShishKabab | kbar: http://pastebin.com/5egY3L8y |
| 09:52.05 | Onixs | im a lil bit confused on what to choose re kernel 3.2 update. should i go for amd64 ? |
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| 09:52.41 | kbar | Onixs: amd64 = 64bit |
| 09:52.45 | ShishKabab | Sevet: I'm installing it right now. |
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| 09:53.18 | kbar | ShishKabab: you should be good to go to swapoff -a && swapon -a |
| 09:53.23 | kbar | look @ the free column for -/+ buffers/cache |
| 09:53.33 | kbar | you have 703mB free, and you're using 568mB of swap |
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| 09:54.30 | kbar | ShishKabab: keep in mind that swap isn't a bad thing... if you have a bunch of stuff that is static, it's cool to let it chill in swap. |
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| 09:54.49 | kbar | ShishKabab: but if you see a lot of disk IO and your system is slow... you might need to clear it out |
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| 09:56.22 | Calinou | <kbar> ShishKabab: keep in mind that swap isn't a bad thing... if you have a bunch of stuff that is static, it's cool to let it chill in swap. |
| 09:56.30 | Onixs | yeah.. but should i choose amd65 or ia64 |
| 09:56.31 | Calinou | except if you have a good amount of RAM, then you'll want your swap to be untouched |
| 09:56.33 | ShishKabab | kbar: Ok, interesting. /proc/sys/swappiness does not exist, do I need to enable it somewhere? |
| 09:56.34 | Calinou | for best speed |
| 09:56.39 | Onixs | err. amd64 or ia64 |
| 09:57.06 | haylo | ia64 is for a special type of processor |
| 09:57.10 | Calinou | amd64 |
| 09:57.10 | ksuhku | Onixs, amd64 |
| 09:57.16 | haylo | amd64 |
| 09:57.20 | Calinou | amd64 = 64 bit for both intel and amd CPUs |
| 09:57.27 | Onixs | Thanks :) |
| 09:57.36 | kbar | ShishKabab: my bad. /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 09:58.04 | ShishKabab | kbar: Ok, it's busy now. |
| 09:58.07 | darsie | so for what processor is ia64? |
| 09:58.09 | kbar | you can echo some value into that file... the higher it is the more swappy it'll be |
| 09:58.12 | ksuhku | Onixs, since you have "only" 4 gigs of ram, I don't think the PAE will do you any good |
| 09:58.17 | kbar | i think the default is 60? |
| 09:58.40 | haylo | darsie, i dont even remember, its a newer thing |
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| 09:58.52 | kbar | atom, maybe? |
| 09:58.53 | kbar | shrugs |
| 09:59.04 | kbar | itanium |
| 09:59.04 | darsie | ok |
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| 09:59.38 | ShishKabab | kbar: By the way, why does Linux use a swap partition instead of a file like Win? Performance? |
| 09:59.59 | darsie | I'd think because a swap partition is faster. |
| 10:00.18 | ksuhku | both should be as fast these days |
| 10:00.22 | kbar | ShishKabab: beyond my scope of support :) |
| 10:00.34 | darsie | is a swap file contigous? |
| 10:00.38 | Calinou | because it's more annoying :D |
| 10:00.39 | kbar | ShishKabab: just curious, what did you use for swappiness |
| 10:00.40 | haylo | ShishKabab, you can use a swap file in linux / unix |
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| 10:00.43 | Calinou | also probably faster |
| 10:00.49 | Calinou | swap in windows is almost never used anyway |
| 10:00.52 | Calinou | iirc |
| 10:00.55 | ShishKabab | kbar: Haha, just curious. |
| 10:01.16 | Calinou | ksuhku, PAE is 32 bit only |
| 10:01.18 | Calinou | and is glitchy :P |
| 10:01.25 | Calinou | especially with proprietary drivers |
| 10:01.37 | darsie | Does a swap file allow hibernation? |
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| 10:01.40 | Onixs | im on 3.2 amd64 now :) |
| 10:01.43 | ksuhku | Calinou, ah, that too! :) |
| 10:01.44 | ShishKabab | kbar: I used 30 now, but even in between swapon and swapoff, the disk kept going. |
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| 10:02.00 | ShishKabab | Now it's settling down again. |
| 10:02.03 | Calinou | I use 3.2 amd64 too... debian testing using xfce :P |
| 10:02.43 | ksuhku | ShishKabab, run iotop and see what's happening |
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| 10:04.14 | Dark3nedFaith | I'm having issues with flash on firefox 13 |
| 10:04.33 | rozie | Dark3nedFaith: what issues? |
| 10:04.42 | Dark3nedFaith | I've put the libflashplayer.so in my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin yet it still isn't recognized |
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| 10:05.33 | rozie | Dark3nedFaith: use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:05.34 | Dark3nedFaith | essentially, my problem is that firefox isn't recognizing it |
| 10:05.41 | Dark3nedFaith | ok |
| 10:05.49 | rozie | Dark3nedFaith: what processor do you have? |
| 10:05.54 | cramo | Am I correct that zip is one of the few compression utilities which creates the archive automatically? I mean usually one needs to create archive with tar and then is able to compress this archive. |
| 10:06.08 | Dark3nedFaith | amd apu a6 3400m |
| 10:06.22 | rozie | AFAIK flash does not work on non-sse2 processors |
| 10:06.39 | rozie | even on i386 architecture. flash is dying, anyway |
| 10:06.50 | Dark3nedFaith | i had it working on iceweasel |
| 10:06.52 | ShishKabab | Sevet: I'm running htop now and am trying to make sense of the output. I think it's also showing all threads because things like firefox and Java are shown around 15 times... |
| 10:06.56 | Dark3nedFaith | but i switched that for firefox 13 |
| 10:07.13 | ShishKabab | But I |
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| 10:07.19 | Calinou | but you |
| 10:07.27 | ShishKabab | But I'm not swapping anymore. |
| 10:07.35 | Calinou | flash isn't supported by adobe anymore, too |
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| 10:08.00 | ShishKabab | The HDD is still used intensively, though. |
| 10:08.05 | rozie | Dark3nedFaith: it changed not so long ago |
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| 10:08.18 | kakashi_ | hi, is anybody using terminator (terminal emulator)? |
| 10:08.19 | Calinou | don't know why |
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| 10:08.39 | Dark3nedFaith | I had the most recent version of flash running on weasel |
| 10:08.54 | Dark3nedFaith | or at least the flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:09.06 | rozie | anyway, it should run on this processor |
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| 10:09.18 | rozie | newest flashplugin-nonfree means nothing |
| 10:09.23 | rozie | it's just a downloader |
| 10:09.41 | Dark3nedFaith | ah, ok |
| 10:09.55 | rozie | you need to update flash manually with update-flashplugin-nonfree command |
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| 10:10.01 | Dark3nedFaith | ok |
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| 10:12.40 | Dark3nedFaith | flash-mozilla.so is in the plugins folder but doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 10:12.51 | Cottus | i would like to install from commandline and autoatically choose stable, how to do that? |
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| 10:12.57 | ShishKabab | ksuhku: Any idea what [jbd2/sda2-8] running as root is? |
| 10:13.13 | Calinou | Cottus, choose the mirror to use stable? |
| 10:13.14 | Calinou | huh |
| 10:13.21 | Calinou | are you using the netinst? |
| 10:13.24 | ksuhku | ShishKabab, nope |
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| 10:13.48 | Cottus | but i would like to know when new versions of games are available( experimental) |
| 10:14.13 | ShishKabab | ksuhku: It's responsible for 99% of the disk IO, Googling now. Thanks for the iotop tip? |
| 10:14.15 | ShishKabab | ! |
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| 10:14.32 | ksuhku | ShishKabab, hope you get to the bottom of it |
| 10:14.33 | Cottus | (( i saw an option in synaptic : when upgrading prefer ? stable/testing ? )) |
| 10:14.40 | Psychonaut | Hi, Should selfcreated aliasescommand work in crontab ? |
| 10:14.45 | JaSeR | hi there |
| 10:14.58 | JaSeR | can anybody help me? :) http://serverfault.com/questions/405979/openvpn-and-brouting-issue |
| 10:15.01 | Cottus | i was wondering if there is such an option in the command line |
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| 10:15.29 | Shadur | Psychonaut: Almost certainly not, unless you run a script from crontab and the script loads the alias definitions. |
| 10:15.42 | Psychonaut | k thx |
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| 10:18.01 | kbar | ShishKabab: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=113516 |
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| 10:20.01 | ShishKabab | kbar: I'm now looking at hal-disable-polling . |
| 10:21.45 | kbar | yeah this is way beyond my scope... i haven't used hal in ages |
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| 10:22.27 | MoneY_ | someone get high skills on debian + zend server + php5* pakages? |
| 10:22.54 | nevyn | !ask |
| 10:22.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:23.35 | ShishKabab | kbar: I'm suprised I still have it install, given that I read everywhere that it was deprecated quite some time ago I think. Can I safely remove everything related to HAL? |
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| 10:23.45 | Dark3nedFaith | I decided to just reinstall iceweasel |
| 10:23.57 | Dark3nedFaith | since flash doesn't like firefox 13 |
| 10:24.46 | Dark3nedFaith | thanks for the help though |
| 10:25.10 | MoneY_ | I have a problem with running Zend Server + php5_mysql at the same time; I'm running Debian version squeze. When I try to do run my web project I get the following output "mysql_connect is not a function". |
| 10:25.46 | Sevet | sounds like you haven't loaded the mysql module |
| 10:25.51 | MoneY_ | Se-bash |
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| 10:26.52 | MoneY_ | Sevet yes. but after installing zend server the php5-* liberies were removed. so if zend server is installed and im running apt-get install php5-mysql it ask to remove zend liberies. |
| 10:27.24 | MoneY_ | is there a way to run both? to support my old projects and creating new projects at the same time? |
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| 10:30.07 | haylo | MoneY_, is there a reason you arent using aptitude instead of apt-get ? |
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| 10:32.02 | MoneY_ | i dont know the different between that both. can explain? |
| 10:32.30 | haylo | you havent read the debian manual i can see |
| 10:32.38 | haylo | i dont know how else to say it |
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| 10:33.27 | haylo | because it uses, aptitude not apt-get. You should be following its steps for making a server 1st, then trying to deviate from it for something new |
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| 10:36.51 | BenNZ | haylo: debian can use apt-get |
| 10:38.21 | MoneY_ | well its a fronend for apt but apt seems to be easier to read/write as aptitude. is there any problem by zend + php5-mysql are mot running at both, because of im using apt and not aptitude? |
| 10:38.49 | haylo | ofc debian can use apt-get |
| 10:38.56 | ShishKabab | kbar, Sevet, ksuhku: I've modified my fstab, so I have to restart my PC now. I'm going to eat something in the meanwhile. Thank you all for your hep, time and patience! |
| 10:39.10 | haylo | but if you were following the manual, youd be using aptitude |
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| 10:39.25 | pie_ | whats the difference between passwd -l and adduser --disable-password |
| 10:39.27 | haylo | so its just really obvious, that you are messing around |
| 10:39.45 | Sevet | MoneY_: are you installing the zend.com debian package? |
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| 10:39.57 | Sevet | php-5.2-mysql-zend-server Conflicts with php5-mysql |
| 10:39.59 | MoneY_ | yep |
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| 10:40.06 | MoneY_ | right |
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| 10:40.17 | Sevet | there'll be no way to install the zend packages alongside the php5-* ones |
| 10:40.40 | BenNZ | haylo: sorry thought you were saying he shouldnt use apt-get |
| 10:40.45 | haylo | np |
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| 10:47.50 | buyoq | hello there.need to ask,how do i add additional ip into my debian box ? |
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| 10:48.20 | buyoq | tried a solutions.seems like the IP is there..i can use it to host another webserver using the IP.but i cant use it for IRC.. |
| 10:48.24 | buyoq | any idea why ? |
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| 10:49.46 | fluffyguy | Guys will net install image work if IĀ“m using WiFi ? (Im using Atheros WP311, card so far every linus distro recognised it) |
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| 10:55.11 | jelly-home | fluffyguy: perhaps. Try the modified installer from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 10:57.13 | Cottus | where can i find mjpegtools |
| 10:57.15 | Cottus | ? |
| 10:58.48 | darsie | apt-cache search mjpegtools |
| 10:58.56 | darsie | aptitude install mjpegtools |
| 10:59.03 | darsie | dpkg -L mjpegtools |
| 10:59.03 | dpkg | No packages found matching mjpegtools |
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| 10:59.36 | Babausis | Hello, |
| 10:59.36 | Babausis | I've found an really interesting game named e-Sim. There you can be a soldier, politic, journalist, or businesman. Furthermore, you can play for your own country!! |
| 10:59.36 | Babausis | There is my reflink (sorry about that, but if you use my reflink you'll get additional 2 gold): |
| 10:59.36 | Babausis | http://tinyurl.com/dy67gar |
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| 11:01.26 | dawud | ,versions mjpegtools |
| 11:01.28 | judd | Package: mjpegtools on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1:1.8.0-0.9; squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.9.0-0.7; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-dmo1 |
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| 11:02.54 | Cottus | ok |
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| 11:03.22 | atomms | hi! i'm using debian 6 and have installed moodle on it, now i'm trying to find the best way for mail delivery: smtp with postfix or php? |
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| 11:06.34 | ompaul | atomms: php is not a mail server ... usually it triggers a mail server |
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| 11:07.11 | atomms | oops, so i will always be using postfix with php function? |
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| 11:08.47 | atomms | well, here is my issue: i've got a mail server apart from my moodle installation and when i try to send mails using php it only sends to local users and not remote ones |
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| 11:09.34 | joulez | claps |
| 11:09.39 | joulez | haha wheezy |
| 11:09.42 | joulez | ;) |
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| 11:12.57 | atomms | let's say my remote user is user@domain.org then as long as my moodle server is also iinstalled in domain.org (but a different IP) it sends locally the emails and they don't reach the remote user, any ideas? |
| 11:13.17 | joulez | huh |
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| 11:14.07 | joulez | you have a mail (mx) server for a domain. |
| 11:14.37 | atomms | sure |
| 11:15.18 | atomms | i've got "mail.domain.org" for my email server and then "domain.org" for my moodle server |
| 11:15.40 | joulez | when you send an email to user@domain.org your smtp, looks up the dns for that domain to find the address of the mail server. (mx) |
| 11:15.46 | joulez | dig mx domain.org |
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| 11:17.46 | atomms | there are 2 answer sections |
| 11:18.11 | joulez | you need to configure the mta on mail.domain.org to allow relay access from moodle.domain.org |
| 11:19.31 | atomms | i got it configured to relay with smtp.gmail.com, can i have different relay hosts? |
| 11:20.03 | joulez | hmm |
| 11:20.19 | joulez | perhaps you should ask for help in #<mta> |
| 11:20.49 | atomms | what about aliases in my moodle.domain.org server adressing my mail.domain.org accounts? |
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| 11:21.45 | joulez | exim4? |
| 11:21.55 | atomms | when i check logs it says cannot find "user" account and it is right because it does not exists there it only exists in my mail.domain.org server |
| 11:21.58 | atomms | postfix |
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| 11:22.48 | ws2k3 | how can i search in a file to text with the grep command ? |
| 11:23.17 | joulez | you need to configure postfix on moodle.domain.org to simply relay to mail.domain.org |
| 11:23.30 | atomms | i see |
| 11:23.30 | joulez | try #postfix |
| 11:23.42 | atomms | ok, thanks joulez |
| 11:23.47 | joulez | atomms: it all ends at mail.domain.org obviously. |
| 11:24.11 | joulez | oh you have it relaying to gmail. |
| 11:24.28 | joulez | ws2k3: grep "foo" bar |
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| 11:24.59 | atomms | i have "mail.domain.org" relaying to gmail but not yet "domain.org" relaying to "mail.domain.org" |
| 11:25.00 | ageis | ws2k: cat <file> | grep <search> |
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| 11:25.33 | Cottus | ok, i would like to add the gpg key for deb-multimedia.org, how can i do that? |
| 11:25.39 | atomms | that should be my next step, right? |
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| 11:26.00 | joulez | atomms: no it doesn't relay for domain.org its ACCEPTS mail for domain.org |
| 11:26.24 | joulez | atomms: dig mx domain.org, thats how it works. |
| 11:26.32 | joulez | set up a dns server why your at it. |
| 11:26.40 | joulez | s/why/while |
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| 11:27.29 | jelly-home | Cottus: read the instructions on their web page. |
| 11:27.42 | joulez | atomms: all servers within the domain.org, regardless what host they reside on need to have an mta configured to relay mail to the MX server on domain.org (mail.domain.org). |
| 11:27.55 | jelly-home | Cottus: alternatively, /msg dpkg dmm squeeze |
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| 11:28.06 | atomms | sure, i've got postfix in both |
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| 11:28.19 | herensuge | hi all |
| 11:28.32 | Cottus | yes |
| 11:29.32 | joulez | atomms: an mta that just relays is rather light, but needs to be configured correctly so it only relays for certains hosts or domain and not the entire internet /join #postfix |
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| 11:30.50 | Cottus | well it doesn't say about the keyring in the site, thx for dmm squeeze |
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| 11:40.56 | pir_ | is root the only one able to set the immutable flag? |
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| 11:45.53 | stew | pir_: yes |
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| 11:47.39 | pir_ | thanks |
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| 11:59.57 | dym | Hey - i have a file which holds a hostname in one line and an ip address in the next (ongoing for a couple of hundret lines). I want to sort them so the order changes from: host name \n ip address to ip address - host name \n ip addres - host name |
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| 12:00.18 | abrotman | dym: awk |
| 12:01.01 | dym | abrotman: care to explain a bit further? i know how to print specific strings - not more :D |
| 12:01.11 | dym | awk {'print $2'} wont get me far tho :D |
| 12:01.22 | abrotman | awk '{print $2" - "$1"}' |
| 12:02.05 | dym | but they are seperated by a line |
| 12:02.25 | dym | its host \n ip \n host \n ip |
| 12:02.35 | dym | and i want ip - host \n ip - host \n |
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| 12:03.03 | abrotman | ah .. misread |
| 12:03.13 | Calinou | how can I make it so that I automatically log in when starting? I'm using xfce. |
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| 12:04.41 | abrotman | Calinou: gdm has anoption for that |
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| 12:05.15 | Calinou | I'm using testing - the default session manager is lightdm, now, am I right? |
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| 12:06.10 | engla | Calinou: lightdm supports autologin now in testing |
| 12:06.16 | jiphex | dym, something like |
| 12:06.25 | jiphex | cat file | ruby -e 'STDIN.readlines.each_slice(2){|a| puts "#{a[0].strip} - #{a[1].strip}"}' |
| 12:07.20 | Calinou | engla, k, and how? any simple way? |
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| 12:08.12 | abrotman | what's worng with gdm ? |
| 12:08.17 | engla | Calinou: edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 12:08.31 | dym | jesus jiphex |
| 12:08.32 | Calinou | k; I'll see |
| 12:08.32 | dym | :D |
| 12:08.40 | dym | i could also install C# and try it that way |
| 12:09.12 | jiphex | dym, ruby -e 'STDIN.readlines.each_slice(2){|a| a.join "-"}' < file is probably neater |
| 12:09.27 | grandie | tried setting up dual monitors on the command line and failed, was advised at xorg to install it and some small desktop environment. |
| 12:09.28 | jiphex | or something |
| 12:09.29 | jiphex | meh |
| 12:09.53 | Calinou | engla, what line? |
| 12:10.03 | dym | jiphex: no effect |
| 12:10.16 | grandie | now i need some opions on the best light "small" desktop, thanks. |
| 12:10.17 | abrotman | Calinou: try reading the man page |
| 12:10.18 | engla | the autologin lines and also pam-service=lightdm-autologin |
| 12:10.21 | jiphex | dym, that second one wont work because it doesnt have stip |
| 12:10.26 | jiphex | *strip! |
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| 12:10.33 | dym | right |
| 12:10.34 | dym | cheers |
| 12:10.36 | dym | first one worked |
| 12:10.42 | Calinou | reads the fine man page |
| 12:10.48 | jiphex | dym, ruby -e 'STDIN.readlines.each_slice(2){|a| a.each{|s|s.strip!}; puts a.join " - "}' < test.txt |
| 12:10.59 | jiphex | woop |
| 12:11.13 | engla | abrotman: well, gdm starts a gnome session just to show the login |
| 12:11.23 | dym | jiphex: actually NOOO |
| 12:11.28 | dym | its the wrong way around :D |
| 12:11.32 | dym | i need ip first |
| 12:11.43 | dym | i need the second line before the first |
| 12:12.00 | jiphex | swap 0,1 |
| 12:12.18 | dym | excuse me? |
| 12:12.21 | dym | i dont see a 0 |
| 12:12.33 | jelly-home | ruby starts up and runs faster than awk, right? |
| 12:12.38 | jelly-home | hides |
| 12:12.39 | stew | dym: awk '{if(host=="") {host=$0} else {print; print host; host="" }}' |
| 12:12.52 | jiphex | dym, in the first sorry, in the second you could do a.reverse.join |
| 12:13.13 | dym | jiphex: i dont see it. mind sending me the complete line? |
| 12:13.29 | dym | jelly-home: neg |
| 12:13.40 | jiphex | ruby -e 'STDIN.readlines.each_slice(2){|a| a.each{|s|s.strip!}; puts a.reverse.join " - "}' < test.txt |
| 12:13.50 | Calinou | yeah, but - how can lightdm "know" your password so that it does real autologin? |
| 12:13.53 | Calinou | like on ubuntu & co |
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| 12:14.41 | engla | Calinou: it installs /etc/pam.d/lightdm-autologin |
| 12:15.00 | engla | and what does "real" autologin mean? |
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| 12:15.10 | abrotman | engla: he's already using xfce .. it's not that much more |
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| 12:16.14 | stew | dym: on you want ip - host? i thought you wanted to reverse the lines |
| 12:16.25 | stew | dym: awk '{if(host=="") {host=$0} else {print; print $1 "host; host="" }}' |
| 12:16.27 | stew | err |
| 12:16.29 | fasta | How can I 'mount' an NFS such that when it is not there, it just shows an empty directory? |
| 12:16.42 | stew | dym: awk '{if(host=="") {host=$0} else {print $1 "-" host; host="" }}' |
| 12:16.47 | fasta | (instead of waiting forever for it to come up) |
| 12:16.53 | engla | why use gdm when it's clearly uninterested in anything but gnome? lightdm is agnostic |
| 12:17.12 | stew | fasta: i doubt that is possible |
| 12:17.16 | fasta | Or: is there any replacement for NFS which works in a bit more forgiving way? |
| 12:17.38 | Calinou | yay, it works! |
| 12:17.40 | Calinou | thanks |
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| 12:18.10 | ompaul | fasta: that is how it works today you mkdir /mymountpoint then you mount it using nfs on the command line tomorrow after a reboot and no /etc/fstab or command lines the directory is there |
| 12:18.45 | fasta | ompaul: but that requires explicit mounting and umounting. |
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| 12:19.06 | ompaul | fasta: du in the unmounted state will always return no date |
| 12:19.08 | ompaul | data |
| 12:19.16 | ompaul | as long as you don't shove data in there |
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| 12:19.30 | fasta | ompaul: yes, but that's in the unmounted state. |
| 12:19.35 | stew | ompaul: he wants another state which is mounted, but unavailable |
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| 12:19.48 | fasta | ompaul: the problem is that it is in the mounted state. |
| 12:20.21 | fasta | ompaul: if a system is 'mounted', but the remote server doesn't even exist, it seems odd to call it 'mounted'. |
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| 12:20.32 | grandie | q |
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| 12:20.59 | ompaul | fasta: sorry are you saying from the mounting server |
| 12:21.05 | ompaul | fasta: or the client |
| 12:21.10 | ompaul | sorry exporting |
| 12:21.20 | fasta | ompaul: ? |
| 12:21.32 | fasta | ompaul: it's exported from the server and the client has it mounted. |
| 12:21.34 | ompaul | fasta: two sides - export is the server and mount is the client |
| 12:21.42 | fasta | ompaul: yes, I know, because I set it up. |
| 12:21.42 | ompaul | fasta: what do you want to discover? |
| 12:22.05 | fasta | ompaul: I would like that applications don't hang forever just because some NFS share is not there. |
| 12:22.23 | fasta | ompaul: applications call lstat and then it's game over for the application. |
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| 12:24.05 | Sevet | fasta: try mounting the nfs share with soft,intr,timeo=10 instead of default |
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| 12:24.28 | fasta | Sevet: the problem occurs after it has been mounted. |
| 12:24.39 | fasta | Sevet: so, at some point the server share is there. |
| 12:24.47 | fasta | Sevet: then it is mounted and everything is OK. |
| 12:25.00 | Sevet | i understand that, those options'll let it timeout when the server disappears though |
| 12:25.01 | fasta | Sevet: then, let's say an evil grizzly monster takes away the share. |
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| 12:25.16 | fasta | Sevet: and then the client just hangs there forever. |
| 12:25.24 | fasta | Sevet: are you sure the timeout is for that? |
| 12:25.29 | stew | fasta: and an acceptable timeout for you would be a couple of milliseconds? |
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| 12:25.48 | fasta | stew: well, a ping is only 0.01ms or less. |
| 12:25.58 | fasta | stew: so, I'd think that's reasonable. |
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| 12:26.32 | ompaul | fasta: the soft helps a lot - but the application has to respect the error it is handed: Soft-mount (as opposed to hard-mount) the driver. This option causes an I/O error to be reported to the process attempting a file operation when a major timeout occurs. |
| 12:26.40 | ompaul | fasta: try it and see |
| 12:26.53 | Sevet | fasta: yes. soft is the most important option. |
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| 12:27.07 | Sevet | the nfs(5) manpage describes those options |
| 12:27.09 | ompaul | timeo by default is 7 |
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| 12:27.29 | colun | Hello all, I have a problem with my openvpn : in the terminal a obtain on the server : AUTH-PAM: BACKGROUND: user 'xyz' failed to authenticate: Permission denied. This is the pastebin of the different files : http://pastebin.com/qDS3nurN |
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| 12:27.55 | ompaul | fasta: tias eh? anything is better than what you have atm |
| 12:28.14 | fasta | ompaul: I am already convinced that this is a good idea. |
| 12:28.24 | ompaul | has a an nfs server with an uptime of about 200 days generally speaking I reboot it once every year |
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| 12:28.49 | ompaul | it serves a small program and some data |
| 12:28.52 | fasta | ompaul: the up time is low by design. |
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| 12:30.55 | ompaul | fasta: just saying my uptime is long and I don't have issues - http://serverfault.com/questions/83056/how-to-monitor-nfs-activity-on-a-linux-server to see if something is accessing it might be useful |
| 12:31.19 | fasta | ompaul: Arguably the issues I have are with the applications. |
| 12:31.22 | ompaul | fasta: if you are forcing a server down, maybe doing it cleanly with some out of band conversation between servers |
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| 12:31.45 | ompaul | i.e. the server is about to shut down it issues an ssh pkill command across the network |
| 12:31.53 | fasta | ompaul: and possibly with configuration. |
| 12:32.04 | fasta | ompaul: but it should likely already work now. |
| 12:32.26 | ompaul | fasta: but if you are shutting down servers I suggest you are doing it wrong, I don't know your reasons for it, but it seems to me you went to a lot of bother to sort out a working nfs but it is not what you actually wanted |
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| 12:33.31 | s-andy | Hi! Am I right - soon there will be new release?.. |
| 12:33.37 | ompaul | !wheezy |
| 12:33.37 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 12:33.43 | fasta | ompaul: I want 'seek' operations across a network. |
| 12:33.51 | fasta | ompaul: AFAIK, only NFS does that. |
| 12:34.05 | fasta | ompaul: or custom proprietary file systems. |
| 12:34.17 | s-andy | ompaul: thanks! :) |
| 12:34.19 | ompaul | fasta: hmm, perhaps, but is that what you actually want or do you want a chunk of data to process |
| 12:34.33 | fasta | ompaul: yes, I want to do that. |
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| 12:35.33 | ompaul | fasta: if people here understood more of your "vague" setup maybe they would have smarter answers. I guess you have the best we can offer given the information on offer. |
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| 12:36.39 | fasta | ompaul: it isn't really that difficult; I am basically using NFS for which people on Windows use the samba protocol. |
| 12:37.00 | fasta | ompaul: that's fairly common too and I turn of the server at random points in time. |
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| 12:37.11 | ompaul | fasta: so you could offer samba from the linux box |
| 12:37.23 | ompaul | straight samba |
| 12:37.25 | titleless | my system just experienced a kernel panic. Where shalt I post logs or the like? |
| 12:37.36 | ompaul | paste.debian.net |
| 12:37.37 | fasta | ompaul: yes, I could do that, but why would I use a reverse engineered protocol over a designed protocol solving the same problem? |
| 12:37.58 | fasta | titleless: do you run a tainted kernel? |
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| 12:38.16 | titleless | fasta: yes, I had to install firmware-atheros for my wifi-chipset. nothing else |
| 12:38.28 | ompaul | fasta: if the clients are windows the solution is samba |
| 12:38.35 | fasta | ompaul: they aren't. |
| 12:38.53 | ompaul | so you are doing linux clients to a linux server |
| 12:38.55 | fasta | titleless: can you recreate the issue without that? |
| 12:39.00 | fasta | ompaul: yes |
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| 12:39.38 | titleless | fasta: your last post was dedicated to ompaul, right? |
| 12:39.57 | fasta | titleless: the recreate part was for you. |
| 12:40.02 | ompaul | fasta: then I'd be tempted to use rsync to grab data from servers if successful great if not then no harm no nag |
| 12:40.08 | ompaul | s/nag/hang/ |
| 12:40.25 | fasta | ompaul: but rsync has no seek support. |
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| 12:40.44 | fasta | ompaul: anyway, it seems perfectly obvious that NFS is the perfect solution. |
| 12:41.09 | fasta | ompaul: once I get 500 machines, I will come up with a different solution. |
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| 12:48.33 | pir_ | *need |
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| 12:57.55 | titleless | fasta: how can I find out the cause for a recent kernel panic on a TP T510 ? |
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| 12:58.58 | fasta | titleless: likely you can't. |
| 12:59.02 | titleless | my last post was not spedifically dedicated |
| 12:59.18 | titleless | fasta: do you think it has to do with firmware-atheros? |
| 12:59.30 | fasta | titleless: the only way to completely debug something is if you have all source code. |
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| 12:59.48 | fasta | titleless: but you could get some information anyway. |
| 13:00.02 | fasta | titleless: if you want that, you could install a kernel debugger and instrument your kernel. |
| 13:00.07 | titleless | fasta: I am using the stock amd64 kernel from wheezy so most people have its code |
| 13:00.30 | fasta | titleless: I don't know how Debian compiles their kernels exactly. |
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| 13:00.48 | fasta | titleless: I am just explaining a path. |
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| 13:00.52 | titleless | fasta: can't I get a hint on the cause by checking logs or something? |
| 13:01.12 | fasta | titleless: did you get an actual stack trace? |
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| 13:01.48 | fasta | titleless: for a kernel crash those are listed on a terminal output screen. |
| 13:01.53 | titleless | fasta: I think it was something like a stack trace when the panic occured; the system froze. Even Magic Sysrq didn't work anymore |
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| 13:02.17 | fasta | titleless: well, you should make a picture/write those down on paper when you get those. |
| 13:02.32 | fasta | titleless: or add a serial console, etc. |
| 13:02.35 | titleless | fasta: so it's not saved in a log on disk? |
| 13:02.51 | fasta | titleless: there is no disk anymore, AFAIK at that point. |
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| 13:03.15 | fasta | titleless: the kernel has crashed, so it cannot just do something anymore. |
| 13:03.32 | fasta | titleless: at least, that's by default, i think. |
| 13:03.44 | titleless | fasta: should have photographed it... too late... |
| 13:03.50 | fasta | titleless: I think it's not ideal. |
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| 13:04.06 | fasta | titleless: it would be better to have people insert e.g. a flash disk to store traces. |
| 13:04.29 | fasta | titleless: i.e. run some mini OS with the sole purpose to store crashes. |
| 13:04.31 | titleless | fasta: you think it's possible even when magic sysrq seems not to work? |
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| 13:04.55 | fasta | titleless: I also think PC hardware architecture is a failure. |
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| 13:05.08 | fasta | titleless: lots of problems like this come from broken architecture. |
| 13:05.35 | fasta | titleless: the basic idea is to make it 'cheap' and the costs go to whoever needs to fix the problem. |
| 13:05.38 | titleless | fasta: I have to different 2GB RAM DIMMs. Want to switch them for two equal 4GB ones |
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| 13:05.46 | _ramok | is there a stable version of openssl 1.0.1 possible? |
| 13:05.54 | _ramok | possible/usable |
| 13:05.55 | fasta | titleless: that seems an unrelated question. |
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| 13:06.21 | titleless | fasta: I read that different RAM modules could be the result for panic online |
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| 13:06.50 | fasta | titleless: it could, but you you should check the specifications before you buy anything. |
| 13:07.04 | fasta | titleless: every motherboard has some tested hardware. |
| 13:07.22 | titleless | fasta: one DIMM was already inserted in the notebook and one was included as an extra in a special offer |
| 13:07.22 | fasta | titleless: i.e. memory compatibility tables. |
| 13:07.45 | fasta | titleless: this is off-topic here. |
| 13:07.54 | fasta | titleless: go to ##hardware |
| 13:08.36 | titleless | fasta: this is my answer to your "every motherboard has some tested hardware". I just built in the laptop what my reseller gave me along with my laptop |
| 13:08.45 | titleless | fasta: thank you for your tips |
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| 13:09.28 | titleless | fasta: I will photograph panic screen next time |
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| 13:09.32 | fasta | titleless: yes, so the model is likely not wrong. |
| 13:09.43 | fasta | titleless: but a trillion things can go wrong. |
| 13:09.56 | fasta | titleless: it's a miracle that computers generally do work, IMHO. |
| 13:11.18 | titleless | fasta: aah, I think in the brilliant economic system we are living in everything is made to empower the consumer as much as possible, regardless of material costs |
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| 13:12.16 | fasta | titleless: I don't think it's that ideal. |
| 13:12.35 | fasta | titleless: for example the CPU market is pretty much dominated by one company. |
| 13:12.37 | Iridos | fasta, and how do fu'n magnets work? |
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| 13:13.05 | titleless | fasta: sorry, I forgot the irony tags |
| 13:13.45 | fasta | Iridos: that reduces to 'how does the universe work' really fast. |
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| 13:14.07 | Iridos | it was actually a quote, but nvm |
| 13:14.09 | fasta | Iridos: but see the Standard Model for a good approximation. |
| 13:14.13 | fasta | Iridos: I know that. |
| 13:14.30 | titleless | fasta: maybe the whole world is governed by one elite/bank/corp |
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| 13:15.33 | jubei | guys why does debian put bind zone files in /var/cache/bind? |
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| 13:16.10 | Joshun | hi |
| 13:16.21 | Joshun | how do you show your outbound (isp) ip in debian? |
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| 13:17.18 | darsie | Joshun: you could do ifconfig, but that is likely not your outbound IP. |
| 13:17.37 | Joshun | or do you have to use internet sites/router config |
| 13:17.45 | darsie | yes |
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| 13:18.41 | darsie | Your local computer doesn't know how packets in the internet are mangled. |
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| 13:21.47 | kesroesweyth | Joshun wget -q -O - checkip.dyndns.org|sed -e 's/.*Current IP Address: //' -e 's/<.*$//' |
| 13:22.38 | kesroesweyth | That's the one I use. Found it online. :) |
| 13:22.41 | Joshun | slightly complex but works |
| 13:22.43 | Joshun | thanks |
| 13:23.05 | kesroesweyth | Not complex at all. You don't need to pipe it through sed, that's just for formatting. |
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| 13:23.11 | kesroesweyth | wget -q -O - checkip.dyndns.org will work just fine |
| 13:23.13 | BitPuffin | Hey everybody, I'm having some problems |
| 13:23.14 | Joshun | oh |
| 13:23.23 | Joshun | thats very straight forward |
| 13:23.30 | Joshun | saved it as a bash script |
| 13:23.33 | kesroesweyth | :) |
| 13:24.07 | BitPuffin | I'm trying to install fglrx in debian Wheezy, since it's not in the repos I had to download it from amd's website, and when I installed it and rebooted the screen went black and I had to uninstall it, anyone know how to install it properly in wheezy? |
| 13:24.32 | Calinou | maybe it's in contrib/non-free? |
| 13:24.55 | Joshun | i'm sure someone else has had that problem with fglrx before |
| 13:25.07 | Joshun | they compiled it themselves using apt-source i think |
| 13:25.10 | BitPuffin | Calinou, I think I've got that repository |
| 13:25.10 | Joshun | and it worked |
| 13:25.40 | BitPuffin | oh the deb-src for main contrib non-free is commented out |
| 13:25.51 | darsie | BitPuffin: The correct fix is to use an nvidia card :P |
| 13:25.56 | BitPuffin | har har |
| 13:26.00 | BitPuffin | kind of hard on a laptop :) |
| 13:26.04 | darsie | ic |
| 13:26.07 | BitPuffin | Joshun, How do I do that |
| 13:26.13 | BitPuffin | I have the same problem on my desktop though |
| 13:26.16 | BitPuffin | Looking in to it |
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| 13:27.29 | Joshun | i think it was apt-get source fglrx |
| 13:27.38 | Joshun | and the usual build procedure |
| 13:27.45 | Joshun | can't remember now |
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| 13:27.56 | BitPuffin | unable to find a source package for fglrx :/ |
| 13:28.15 | BitPuffin | apt-cache search fglrx: glx-alternative-fglrx - allows the selection of FGLRX as GLX provider |
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| 13:28.21 | BitPuffin | No other packages available |
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| 13:28.53 | BitPuffin | "On wheezy fglrx-driver is not available, see #671320. " -- http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/ |
| 13:29.06 | BitPuffin | But there has to be a way to install it? :( |
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| 13:29.28 | darsie | BitPuffin: You have 'source' in your sources.list? |
| 13:29.47 | boudiccas | ,versions fglrx |
| 13:29.48 | judd | No package named 'fglrx' was found in i386. |
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| 13:29.58 | boudiccas | ,versions fgrlx-driver |
| 13:30.00 | judd | No package named 'fgrlx-driver' was found in i386. |
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| 13:30.21 | BitPuffin | darsie, http://pastebin.com/HNwQFg8p |
| 13:30.24 | darsie | judd: typo |
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| 13:30.52 | BitPuffin | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 13:30.54 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6-2 |
| 13:31.07 | BitPuffin | no wheezy |
| 13:31.24 | boudiccas | BitPuffin: can you not use the one from stable? |
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| 13:32.10 | BitPuffin | hmm. No, I remember that one not working very well |
| 13:32.29 | BitPuffin | I guess I could use sid, but it's scary :) |
| 13:32.59 | colun | BitPuffin: now, it's not the good moment to install fglrx because, it's too buggy. |
| 13:33.10 | BitPuffin | But I need OpenGL 3.3 |
| 13:33.15 | BitPuffin | for development |
| 13:33.40 | Calinou | fglrx doesn't even support opengl 3.3, no? |
| 13:33.44 | BitPuffin | it does |
| 13:33.47 | colun | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675940 |
| 13:33.57 | BitPuffin | It supports whatever is available on the GPU afaik |
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| 13:34.08 | BitPuffin | is seriously considering going to sid |
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| 13:34.20 | Calinou | sid is always broken :p |
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| 13:34.34 | BitPuffin | Not more than arch though? |
| 13:34.57 | titleless | thinkwiki says about TP T510 PC3-8500(1066Mhz) or PC3-10666(1333Mhz). Is it likely that PC3-12800S won't fit? |
| 13:35.42 | BitPuffin | I also tried this http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/20055/howto-amd-fglrx-in-wheezy/ But I couldn't finish the install.. |
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| 13:37.12 | BitPuffin | Let me show you the error that happens |
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| 13:38.24 | BitPuffin | wait |
| 13:38.28 | BitPuffin | now it was installed |
| 13:38.29 | BitPuffin | strange |
| 13:38.29 | Ariii | Hi! |
| 13:38.47 | BitPuffin | Guess I installed the missing stuff that it wanted :P don't remember what |
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| 13:39.14 | BitPuffin | uh-oh! Errors during installation, again! |
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| 13:41.32 | BitPuffin | rebootin |
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| 13:42.43 | Joshun | people should stick to squeeze |
| 13:42.49 | Joshun | funnily enough, its more stable |
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| 13:43.40 | Joshun | you can just recompile new software anyway |
| 13:43.43 | jubei | Joshun, than what? than testing? |
| 13:43.55 | Joshun | yeah |
| 13:44.05 | Joshun | or sid |
| 13:44.26 | jubei | nods |
| 13:44.41 | Joshun | this box is running xfce on stable |
| 13:44.52 | Joshun | hardly ever has any problems |
| 13:44.58 | nevyn | !sidupgrade |
| 13:45.02 | nevyn | !sid |
| 13:45.02 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 13:51.24 | Joshun | lol |
| 13:54.55 | nevyn | also |
| 13:54.58 | nevyn | !sid upgrade |
| 13:54.58 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 13:58.06 | ShishKabab | Hi, I was here a while ago with the problem that I have a lot of HDD access (almost all the time). Running iotop shows that jbd2 causes it 30% to 99% all the time. I tried using noatime and commit=300 (which I'd rather not, because it makes journalling less reliable), but that's just a hack that slightly improves the situation (55 of activity, 5 seconds of quitness if I'm lucky). Could anyone help me find the cause of the problem? |
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| 14:01.50 | titleless | is kingston an advisable RAM manufacturer nowadays? |
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| 14:05.39 | Calinou | titleless, yes |
| 14:05.43 | Onixs | hey, whats the diff of the 3.2 kernel with RT and non RT |
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| 14:14.37 | MO_Handes | best alternative to iceweasel?! |
| 14:14.46 | dvs | why? |
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| 14:15.22 | MO_Handes | I'm using 2 accounts in a site and I don't want to login and log out everytime |
| 14:17.03 | MO_Handes | is Opera available in repositories? |
| 14:17.39 | stew | MO_Handes: no, its not redistributable by third parties |
| 14:19.00 | MO_Handes | so what browser to use? or if there is any plugins for firefox to help me load different couple of cookies to login into different sites with different accounts in order not to have to logout/login everytime?! |
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| 14:21.38 | ShishKabab | I just killed syslog and it appears to solve my problem. That must mean something is writing insanely much to a log file. What is the quickest way to find the culprit? |
| 14:21.39 | WinstonSmith | 2 FF windows with different profiles maybe |
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| 14:24.01 | MO_Handes | WinstonSmith, how is that possible? it always loads configurations from ~/.mozilla |
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| 14:25.25 | WinstonSmith | MO_Handes: "maybe" i did not test it, not sure if when running with different profiles it separates cookies etc |
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| 14:25.32 | jhutchins_lt | ShishKabab: Look at the logfile. |
| 14:25.34 | Diopter | WinstonSmith: It does. |
| 14:25.36 | kesroesweyth | ShishKabab tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 14:25.43 | kesroesweyth | See what's being written |
| 14:27.28 | Calinou | <MO_Handes> best alternative to iceweasel?! |
| 14:27.30 | Calinou | chromium FTW |
| 14:27.34 | Calinou | (obviously) |
| 14:27.48 | Calinou | apt-get install chromium-browser |
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| 14:28.21 | ShishKabab | kesroesweyth: Yeah, I just found out :). I thought syslog was responsible for multiple logs. But du -h /var/log/* showed 400M worth of archive sys- and maillogs (nullmailer went berserk :) ). |
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| 14:28.56 | kesroesweyth | Lots of programs will output logging to syslog. |
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| 14:29.26 | kesroesweyth | Glad you got it sorted. |
| 14:30.03 | ShishKabab | Yeah, I'm glad too. My system is a lot more responsive now. |
| 14:30.04 | MO_Handes | Calinou, it crashes so much |
| 14:32.04 | JeffJohnson | I have a package in a private repository that depends on another unstable repository. If I try to install it the isntallation fails because apt want to install a wrong version from the stable version as dependency (unmet dependencies msg). The dep is available but it has a lower priority than the stable version from the package. How can I pin it so that packages are installed, that are in an less favored repository if a another package depends on |
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| 14:33.03 | AndChat47025 | Hello |
| 14:33.54 | AndChat47025 | I have upgraded my system but now KDE doesnt want to start |
| 14:34.31 | AndChat47025 | I execute startx and after it load everything is blank |
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| 14:34.45 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Upgraded from what to what how? |
| 14:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Do you have a blinking cursor? Can you still switch to a console? Can you kill X? |
| 14:35.21 | AndChat47025 | from testing to testing |
| 14:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Sounds like your testing has successfully found a problem! That's what it's for! |
| 14:35.50 | AndChat47025 | I can see the mouse in fact |
| 14:36.03 | AndChat47025 | and btw, startxas root works well |
| 14:36.18 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: yeah, you don't want to run X as root. |
| 14:36.31 | AndChat47025 | I know |
| 14:36.38 | Rockj | is there any easy way to get my system booting with EFI? normal grub2 doesn't seem to detect my windows efi boot partition and stuff, normally debian has such a nice wiki filled with beautiful information to lead me on ... but not about efi :p |
| 14:36.38 | AndChat47025 | but it works |
| 14:36.42 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: A plain X session might very well have a black background. |
| 14:36.47 | MO_Handes | where are chromium-browser configuration files stored? |
| 14:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: What about startkde? |
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| 14:37.48 | AndChat47025 | no, in fact I tried deleting .kde so it has to create it again but it is the same ... |
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| 14:38.41 | AndChat47025 | startkde says DISPLAY is not set or it can connect to the sercver |
| 14:38.57 | AndChat47025 | cant * |
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| 14:39.43 | AndChat47025 | (it is hard to write from a kindle :P) |
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| 14:41.05 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Time to start wading through /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:41.21 | AndChat47025 | ok, lets see |
| 14:41.29 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Sounds like it could be a problem with kdmrc. |
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| 14:45.01 | AndChat47025 | should I delete it? |
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| 14:46.17 | AndChat47025 | well, nothing is logged in xorg.0.log |
| 14:46.27 | quadrooo | is it possible to run a webserver (tomcat 7) on port :8080 while lighttpd runs on :80 ? |
| 14:46.34 | pfote | sure |
| 14:46.36 | AndChat47025 | oh, wait, yes |
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| 14:49.47 | AndChat47025 | how do I force kde to create every config from scratch? somehow it works for root but not for my user! |
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| 14:51.31 | jelly-home | AndChat47025: move ~/.kde away, log out and back in again? |
| 14:51.42 | jelly-home | oh you did that already |
| 14:52.12 | jelly-home | I don't know whether kde keeps anything in ~/.config as well |
| 14:52.40 | AndChat47025 | I will move it just in case |
| 14:53.19 | AndChat47025 | the beeeep is sooo annoying! |
| 14:53.20 | Some_Person | How can I make an easily restorable disk image that is no bigger than the used space on the disk (that it, it can be restored to a smaller disk)? |
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| 14:54.33 | AndChat47025 | jelly-home, same |
| 14:55.09 | AndChat47025 | Im about to move ~ :P |
| 14:55.21 | jelly-home | AndChat47025: or just create a new user |
| 14:55.37 | Some_Person | I'm only using 1.5GB but the original disk is 5GB and I want to restore to a 3GB disk |
| 14:56.04 | Some_Person | Can dd somehow ignore/not write this free space? |
| 14:57.22 | epsilon | Some_Person: probably dd of MBR, then tar.gz of filesystem |
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| 14:58.26 | AndChat47025 | how do I disable the beep sound? |
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| 14:58.46 | Some_Person | epsilon: That might work. How would I create the tar.gz such that I could restore it to make a bootable system? |
| 14:59.01 | Some_Person | Btw, /boot is on a separate partition already |
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| 15:03.34 | epsilon | AndChat47025: unplug the beeper cable on mainboard |
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| 15:03.53 | epsilon | it's only way making it silent os-independent |
| 15:03.55 | AndChat47025 | it is a laptop |
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| 15:06.03 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Turn the speakers all the way down. |
| 15:06.08 | AndChat47025 | oh! I moved ~ and I executed startx with an empty directory it didnt work! |
| 15:06.12 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Or plug in some headphones. |
| 15:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Sounds like running X as root may have messed up permissions. |
| 15:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: didn't work is pretty vague though. |
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| 15:06.53 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: What you should be doing is starting kdm anyway. |
| 15:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: That's what's goign to autostart X for you, so that's what you need to get working. |
| 15:07.16 | AndChat47025 | white screen, just the mouse |
| 15:07.32 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: Ok, so that's fine, X is working as expected, you're just not getting kde. |
| 15:08.31 | AndChat47025 | I mean, it load well, I see the kde logo, the icons of the hd ,etc |
| 15:08.53 | AndChat47025 | but then it doesnt show the desktop |
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| 15:09.50 | AndChat47025 | any idea? |
| 15:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | AndChat47025: It's showing icons but you don't think you have a desktop? |
| 15:12.43 | AndChat47025 | the icons that kde shows while loading, bellow the kde logo |
| 15:12.58 | AndChat47025 | in the middle of the screen |
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| 15:15.57 | AndChat47025 | http://maintainer.skolelinux.org/debian-edu-doc/it/images/24-Tjener-KDE_Start.png |
| 15:16.03 | AndChat47025 | like that |
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| 15:17.02 | asdfew90r30j | has anybody used surfraw? i normally use sr in the shell, coupled with w3m... and it seems to make websurfing extremely fast for me. anybody have a different experience with surfraw? |
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| 15:22.38 | AndChat|47025 | the problem was that the partition was full! |
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| 15:23.33 | AndChat|47025 | it downloaded like 2GB during the upgrade... |
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| 15:36.25 | SNow | Hi guys, I really have an issue. I have squeeze and the systems get OOM even though I see 14gb of cached of 24gb, why it does take from swap and not from cached?? |
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| 15:37.38 | teratorn | SNow: that's pretty weird - and a kernel feature |
| 15:37.55 | teratorn | SNow: *possibly* tweakble through /proc (?) |
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| 15:38.20 | SNow | teratorn: I don't know |
| 15:38.23 | SNow | 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:38.52 | teratorn | SNow: how are you checking the mem? |
| 15:38.52 | fas3r | hello |
| 15:38.57 | SNow | teratorn: free -m |
| 15:39.05 | fas3r | there is a way to know which firmware is used on a fiber channel san card from the system please ? |
| 15:39.12 | jordanm | SNow: if its just swapping that, doesn't mean OOM |
| 15:39.19 | teratorn | SNow: confirmed with `top'? |
| 15:39.25 | SNow | jordanm: I get 'fork cannot allocate memory' |
| 15:39.29 | SNow | teratorn: yes, with proc meminfo also |
| 15:39.31 | teratorn | k |
| 15:39.51 | SNow | jordanm: then I do killall -9 apache2, restart it, and wait again for it to come up |
| 15:39.59 | SNow | everything was fine until a reboot after 800 days of uptime |
| 15:40.04 | teratorn | SNow: can you reproduce the memory condition easily? maybe try a live cd with hot kernel version |
| 15:40.07 | SNow | then last night I updated the system totally |
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| 15:40.36 | teratorn | just reboot, or you installed stufF? |
| 15:40.43 | SNow | teratorn: It's on really heavy loads, but x2 heavy loads before reboot was alright for the server... |
| 15:40.55 | SNow | no instalation, reboot because of a failed hdd |
| 15:41.16 | SNow | and then thisstuff happend, tried to figure out, next day upgraded totally |
| 15:41.21 | SNow | and still the problem occurs. |
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| 15:41.37 | SNow | when I see munin graphs before boot the server coped with x2 loads |
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| 15:43.17 | SNow | teratorn: I also get alot of lock wait timeout on mysql, and then everything stars to get crazy and lastly oom. |
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| 15:46.50 | thewanderer1 | SNow: have you tried a newer kernel version? |
| 15:47.11 | thewanderer1 | there's some bugs related to memory pressure in 2.6.32, apparently |
| 15:47.38 | fas3r | there is a way to know which firmware is use on a fiber channel san card please ? |
| 15:47.59 | SNow | thewanderer1: I did dist-upgrade. |
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| 15:48.11 | SNow | thewanderer1: should I use even newer one ? |
| 15:48.23 | thewanderer1 | SNow: did it also use to happen with an older kernel? |
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| 15:49.28 | SNow | thewanderer1: the issue is that it started after reboot, and before the reboot there was no update to the kernel. |
| 15:49.57 | SNow | thewanderer1: then I thought that an upgrade will help, but i did not apparantly |
| 15:50.17 | thewanderer1 | SNow: have you got a backtrace from the oom situation? |
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| 15:51.12 | thewanderer1 | or is the oom killer not invoked at all? |
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| 15:52.59 | SNow | thewanderer1: not sure how can I get the backtrace |
| 15:53.10 | SNow | thewanderer1: no software is beeing killed. |
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| 15:54.13 | thewanderer1 | SNow: ok, so your issue is that an "unable to fork" error message appears? at what stage exactly? where does it originate from? and is the server swapping? |
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| 15:55.12 | thewanderer1 | (you won't get a backtrace if the oom killer isn't called by the kernel) |
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| 15:58.27 | raptor67782 | thewanderer1: nice pseudo. you saw the old serie tv: the hithicker ? |
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| 15:58.54 | Calinou | slaps raptor67782 around a bit using a large raptor and random numbers |
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| 16:01.38 | SNow | thewanderer1: the server tells oom, and mysql is down, apache is down, nothing is working, that is my problem |
| 16:01.43 | SNow | and everything was working before that |
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| 16:02.21 | thewanderer1 | SNow: ok, but to troubleshoot, I need to know where exactly the server "tells" that - dmesg contents would be helpful as well |
| 16:02.23 | belak | Why is it that debian's version of nginx or fcgiwrap nukes the PATH_INFO variable? |
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| 16:07.50 | SNow | thewanderer1: dmesg does not say anything about oom, /var/log also.. just mysql and tty with cannot allocate memory. |
| 16:08.12 | thewanderer1 | oh, so the daemons are outputting directly to a tty? |
| 16:08.28 | thewanderer1 | on their own, when nothing else is running? |
| 16:08.30 | SNow | to a log file. |
| 16:08.38 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok |
| 16:08.38 | SNow | allocate fork is on tty |
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| 16:08.55 | thewanderer1 | what were you trying to do on the tty when it happened? |
| 16:09.04 | SNow | (1135: Can't create a new thread (errno 12); if you are not out of available memory, you can consult the manual for a possible OS-dependent bug) |
| 16:09.10 | SNow | thewanderer1: 'w' |
| 16:09.18 | thewanderer1 | cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 16:09.34 | SNow | 0 |
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| 16:10.08 | thewanderer1 | looks about standard so far... |
| 16:10.20 | thewanderer1 | try setting it to 2 |
| 16:10.36 | SNow | I know.. I now cleaned the cache, so currently it's working |
| 16:10.43 | SNow | I also tuned some stuff in my.cnf, maybe it will help |
| 16:11.18 | thewanderer1 | it was probably out of virtual memory and the heuristic overcommit was making bad judgements this time |
| 16:11.22 | SNow | [Tue Jul 03 22:52:45 2012] [error] mod_announce_mysql.c:398 failed mysql_real_connect (1135: Can't create a new thread (errno 12); if you are not out of available memory, you can consult the manual for a possible OS-dependent bug)^C |
| 16:11.25 | SNow | h8:/var/log# echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 16:11.28 | SNow | h8:/var/log# cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 16:11.30 | SNow | sorry for the flood. |
| 16:11.33 | SNow | -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:11.35 | SNow | h8:/var/log# |
| 16:11.49 | jordanm | SNow: are you running a 32bit system with PAE? |
| 16:11.50 | thewanderer1 | okay, yeah, something is definitely wrong here |
| 16:11.57 | SNow | jordanm: 64bit |
| 16:12.04 | thewanderer1 | is the userspace 64-bit too? |
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| 16:12.41 | SNow | thewanderer1: yes, kernel 64bit, but amd64 and the cpu is i7 |
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| 16:13.08 | SNow | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 16:13.08 | dpkg | arm |
| 16:13.11 | SNow | amd64 |
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| 16:14.00 | SNow | thewanderer1: I know that something is really wrong... |
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| 16:14.15 | SNow | thewanderer1: set back to 0, working ok .. for now.. |
| 16:14.23 | proby | i wonder is selinux on debian will make the system more secured , or can i just make some tweaks so the system will be as equivalent for a debian selinux enabled on ? |
| 16:14.24 | thewanderer1 | uh, are you running with PAM address space limits? `ulimit -a` paste the output to paste.debian.net |
| 16:14.39 | SNow | thewanderer1: after the cache clean it's 1024 cached now. |
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| 16:14.47 | jordanm | SNow: wait.. that was your shell that failed a fork()? what does ulimit -a say? |
| 16:15.05 | thewanderer1 | ā my suspicion too |
| 16:15.21 | jordanm | daemons shouldn't go through pam_limits though |
| 16:15.25 | SNow | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/178333/ |
| 16:15.30 | jordanm | I am pretty sure start-stop-daemon bypasses PAM |
| 16:15.42 | SNow | oh, mysql starts after chroot |
| 16:15.45 | SNow | underchroot |
| 16:15.46 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: context-dependent... |
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| 16:16.01 | SNow | I have 2 sqls. 1 under chroot and second in / |
| 16:16.09 | SNow | the error is with under chroot |
| 16:16.24 | thewanderer1 | how are you starting mysql in the chroot? |
| 16:16.27 | jordanm | a plain chroot, or a vserver/openvz chroot? |
| 16:16.31 | SNow | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:16.33 | SNow | plain chroot. |
| 16:17.00 | jordanm | why do you need two instances of mysql on the same hardware? that's begging for poor performance |
| 16:17.19 | thewanderer1 | SNow: is that a full OS install in that chroot, or just mysql chroot()ing at runtime before setuid()? |
| 16:17.22 | proby | i wonder is selinux on debian will make the system more secured , or can i just make some tweaks so the system will be as equivalent for a debian selinux enabled on ? |
| 16:17.33 | SNow | jordanm: well actually that's even better for performance. |
| 16:17.40 | jordanm | !tell proby about harden |
| 16:17.49 | SNow | one is just only r/o replica from other mysql and the mysql under chroot cope with heaaavy heaavy load |
| 16:17.52 | thewanderer1 | proby: if you want security, use and configure grsecurity. don't use SELinux, it won't prevent kernel exploits :P |
| 16:18.01 | SNow | thewanderer1: full os |
| 16:18.07 | proby | !harden |
| 16:18.08 | dpkg | To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>. |
| 16:18.21 | proby | !grsecurity |
| 16:18.22 | dpkg | grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. See also <kernel-package>, Debian bug #601113. http://www.grsecurity.net/ #grsecurity on irc.oftc.net, ##grsecurity on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:18.26 | thewanderer1 | SNow: ok, what does /etc/security/limits.conf contain in the chroot? |
| 16:19.02 | SNow | thewanderer1: nothing. |
| 16:19.28 | thewanderer1 | it's hard to get a big-picture view of the environment, really |
| 16:19.44 | SNow | sec. |
| 16:21.12 | SNow | thewanderer1: jordanm http://p.defau.lt/?myatuUGhko7Xshwl_4_qdw |
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| 16:23.23 | thewanderer1 | SNow: ok, and the output of: free -m, cat /proc/meminfo ? |
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| 16:23.52 | acu | is the X fixed for the new Radeon GPUs - wheezy was messed up 9 days ago, some incompatibilities between Xorg and ATI radeon driver, anyone knows ? |
| 16:24.28 | SNow | thewanderer1: http://p.defau.lt/?UdJvdtkS9uWKQmXPisiWzQ -> not its working fine. |
| 16:24.30 | Fahm | Hi. I've just installed Wheezy. Everything is fine except the clock, which is two hours ahead of the current local time. I'm pretty sure I selected the correct timezone in the installer. How do I change it? |
| 16:24.56 | jordanm | Fahm: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:25.03 | jordanm | !tell Fahm about ntp |
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| 16:25.21 | Fahm | Thanks, jordanm. |
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| 16:26.47 | SNow | thewanderer1: maybe you want to look at munin ? |
| 16:27.44 | thewanderer1 | SNow: not really, I'm beginning to see a pattern here |
| 16:27.54 | SNow | understood ;-) |
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| 16:28.26 | thewanderer1 | SNow: first, your mysql processes' address space usage is unusually large |
| 16:29.11 | thewanderer1 | PID 23535 using up 26GB of address space? |
| 16:29.34 | raptor67782 | funny thing.: apt-cache search killall |
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| 16:29.45 | thewanderer1 | the varnish cache also seems to be doing a lot of allocations |
| 16:29.49 | raptor67782 | I didnt know that killall command was not by default in the debian stable |
| 16:29.53 | jordanm | thewanderer1: that's not unusual |
| 16:29.55 | raptor67782 | (server install) |
| 16:30.06 | Diopter | raptor67782: pkill/pgrep/pstree are what you should be using |
| 16:30.23 | SNow | thewanderer1: well the system was working fine with those configs, but the idea is that it really needs it. |
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| 16:30.33 | Fahm | jordanm: installing ntp fixed it, thanks. |
| 16:30.36 | raptor67782 | Diopter: really? man, I use mostly killall for making sure with LIRC to turn off all apps runing with mythTV |
| 16:30.46 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: well, 26GB of as is pretty high |
| 16:30.54 | SNow | thewanderer1: http://p.defau.lt/?MHsYnk77uzNQyuMXa5u_rg |
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| 16:30.58 | PhoenixSTF | hello, I have a Hp Proliant server, is there any software for RAID controler and configuration in debian for it, equivalent to Hp ACU? |
| 16:31.07 | SNow | thewanderer1: I did percona wizard for auto configuration |
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| 16:31.17 | Diopter | raptor67782: Right. But killall is a lot less flexible and powerful than pkill. |
| 16:31.51 | jordanm | and portable |
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| 16:31.58 | SNow | thewanderer1: http://p.defau.lt/?XsmgW_M4G8tPHMXqXdsjeg |
| 16:32.08 | raptor67782 | I can sometimes do ps -ef | grep -v grep | grep whaever | ... xargs to kill |
| 16:32.28 | jordanm | PhoenixSTF: http://hwraid.le-vert.net/wiki/DebianPackages |
| 16:32.36 | thewanderer1 | SNow: I'd try switching to overcommit_memory=2, and adjusting overcommit_ratio to be 300 or more |
| 16:32.40 | jordanm | raptor67782: that's pretty awful |
| 16:32.43 | Diopter | raptor67782: Which is terrible to have to do, and exactly what pgrep lets you do more siply and flexibly. |
| 16:32.50 | raptor67782 | ps -ef | ... | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 16:33.01 | thewanderer1 | SNow: your daemons are making extensive use of virtual address space, which the kernel usually refuses above a certain threshold |
| 16:33.01 | raptor67782 | jordanm: Yeah, I think so too ;) |
| 16:33.10 | jordanm | grep | grep | awk.... |
| 16:33.15 | jordanm | think you can add a sed too? |
| 16:33.22 | jordanm | :) |
| 16:33.33 | Diopter | There's always room for sed |
| 16:33.43 | raptor67782 | jordanm: that's crap I know. I havent found better to distinguish Processes from each other |
| 16:33.55 | raptor67782 | jordanm: maybe I could have had some perl also ;) |
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| 16:34.16 | jordanm | raptor67782: well, even so, awk can do regular expressions |
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| 16:34.50 | raptor67782 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.59 | SNow | thewanderer1: Oh and I have vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 |
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| 16:35.14 | thewanderer1 | SNow: that shouldn't matter |
| 16:35.21 | Diopter | raptor67782: You seem to be missing what I keep saying to you. pgrep and pkill are in the procps package, which is exceptionally common |
| 16:35.22 | raptor67782 | between mplayer and the other one, I add several grep to distinguish them.. |
| 16:35.25 | PhoenixSTF | jordanm, ty, but deos it work well, its for a production enviroment |
| 16:35.44 | thewanderer1 | SNow: just try the settings I've just made up for the overcommit policy and see if it works :P |
| 16:35.47 | raptor67782 | Diopter: I must check wiki about that. thanks |
| 16:35.48 | Diopter | raptor67782: So your complaint that killall is not available and you haven't found better than your nasty pipestring is moot. |
| 16:36.02 | SNow | thewanderer1: I did already, how can I apply it ? |
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| 16:36.34 | thewanderer1 | SNow: well, as soon as you echo the appropriate values to their /proc/sys/vm/ files, they are in effect |
| 16:36.35 | raptor67782 | Diopter: well, killall is rather very straight forward: killall -e mplayer mencoder ... and here it is. that was becasue I was lazy a bit |
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| 16:37.46 | SNow | thewanderer1: I put them /etc/sysctl.d/vm.conf |
| 16:38.01 | thewanderer1 | SNow: ok... did those settings change anything? |
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| 16:38.52 | SNow | thewanderer1: I did echo already.. |
| 16:39.05 | SNow | because cat showed that it did not change |
| 16:39.12 | SNow | probably I need to apply somethow |
| 16:39.26 | thewanderer1 | SNow: hmm, how did you echo it? |
| 16:39.33 | EyesIsMine | very rarely would I ask in here (never get problems), but dpkg keeps dying on upgrade and only upgrades about 3 packages at a time |
| 16:39.48 | SNow | thewanderer1: echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 16:39.53 | SNow | and 300 to the overcommit_ratio |
| 16:40.20 | thewanderer1 | SNow: looks OK - if it really didn't change, you may have more serious problems O.o |
| 16:40.56 | SNow | like? ;-) |
| 16:41.27 | SNow | thewanderer1: so probably I have to wait right, because before that everything was fine also (I cleaned cache manually) |
| 16:41.39 | EyesIsMine | using backports kernel .39 |
| 16:41.42 | EyesIsMine | I think |
| 16:41.46 | thewanderer1 | SNow: uh, did the overcommit_memory value change yet? |
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| 16:42.07 | SNow | thewanderer1: I echoed it, so it had to change right? :) |
| 16:42.22 | thewanderer1 | SNow: ok, let's see if /proc/meminfo reflects the changes |
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| 16:43.15 | thewanderer1 | SNow: (you can paste it again...) |
| 16:43.25 | Gargantua | hey guys, I'm trying to use a third-party window manager that I compiled from source (subtle wm), gdm doesn't show it, and neither does update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 16:43.32 | SNow | thewanderer1: http://p.defau.lt/?OPtwJKyqYNsl3cRmWclwXw |
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| 16:43.55 | thewanderer1 | SNow: looks about sane - how's the system acting now? |
| 16:43.59 | Gargantua | I also tried setting up a ~/.xinitrc with the simple "exec subtle", but that doesn't seem to work either. |
| 16:44.13 | Gargantua | Any advice? |
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| 16:44.43 | Calinou | hey EyesIsMine |
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| 16:45.12 | SNow | thewanderer1: I lowerred innodb_buffer_pool_size from 20G to 16G now and restarting. |
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| 16:46.51 | SNow | thewanderer1: the peak time is starting, so we will see the max now ;-) |
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| 16:49.18 | SNow | thewanderer1: when the system gets stuck up, mysql makes alot of connections and I get too many coons, then the oom problem appears and that's it. but now looks fine |
| 16:49.26 | kajo | hi , i use bumblebee to be able to use the nvidia card ( i have the infamous "nvidia optimus" on my laptop ). I have frequents crashes ( 1 each ~24h ). the debian verion i'm using is wheezy and the bumblebee version is 3.0 (from the suwako repos) . Is it possible for me to use bumblebee with the nouveau module or is it a bad idea? which is the more stable, nvidia or nouveau module ? thanks, kajo. |
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| 16:49.39 | kajo | *fraquent |
| 16:49.45 | kajo | *frequent |
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| 16:50.51 | thewanderer1 | SNow: the connection count problem is likely to be unrelated, or it could just coincide because of memory conditions or because too many threads are spawned with excessive address space consumption |
| 16:51.25 | thewanderer1 | if another oom condition occurs, raise the overcommit ratio to 500 and live a happy life :P |
| 16:51.55 | thewanderer1 | (not that it's safe... but at least it works - making it failsafe would require a lot more tuning) |
| 16:52.03 | Calinou | kajo, depends |
| 16:52.08 | Calinou | nouveau isn't friend with optimus IIRC |
| 16:52.22 | Calinou | nouveau works just fine for me on my desktop anyway |
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| 16:52.34 | thewanderer1 | I've got a laptop with OPTIMUS graphics. nouveau crashes it once per hour :( |
| 16:53.04 | Calinou | optimus sucks |
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| 16:53.25 | Calinou | even the "battery" argument can go F itself; whoever plays resource-intensive games on a laptop |
| 16:54.02 | thewanderer1 | well, Linus's had his word on it, I don't think we need to restate the obvious :P |
| 16:55.06 | EyesIsMine | oh nvm |
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| 16:57.57 | SNow | thewanderer1: understood, thanks!! |
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| 16:59.48 | wald0 | how to install oracle java ? is there a repo ? |
| 16:59.57 | Calinou | no repo; you can do it "unofficially" though |
| 17:00.04 | Calinou | or you could use a PPA if you find any |
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| 17:03.01 | SNow | thewanderer1: looks like it's working as a charm.. :) |
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| 17:06.07 | kajo | nvidia == crap :( |
| 17:06.19 | Calinou | nvidia > amd at least |
| 17:06.21 | Calinou | still crap yes |
| 17:06.29 | Calinou | too bad we can't make our own GPUs |
| 17:06.40 | jparkton | nvidia != crap |
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| 17:06.59 | jparkton | is running nvidia cards with no issues |
| 17:07.27 | kajo | jparkton: a typo? there is a "!" in you message :) |
| 17:07.57 | kajo | is running nvidia card on a desktop pc and it works well, also with nouveau. |
| 17:07.58 | Calinou | jparkton, proprietary drivers still |
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| 17:08.05 | Calinou | you can't really trust nvidia nowadays |
| 17:08.25 | Calinou | nouveau is good; but not very fast and only supports GL2.1 |
| 17:08.34 | jparkton | I dont need to marry it I just make it work |
| 17:08.37 | pparadis | agreed, and there's been a _lot_ of discussion lately about exactly how difficult nvidia makes things for devs. |
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| 17:08.38 | Calinou | almost no stuff uses openGL3/4 stuff |
| 17:08.47 | kajo | has a laptop with the crappy nvidia optimus 'feature'. So nvidia has became BULLshit |
| 17:08.55 | Calinou | yes |
| 17:08.57 | Calinou | AMD isn't better |
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| 17:09.20 | calamari | hi. is there a program that can give me more details about why a package is broken, rather than just that it is? |
| 17:09.41 | Calinou | this program is called "web browser" |
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| 17:09.55 | Calinou | ...how else would you get details about why a package is broken? |
| 17:09.57 | kajo | Calinou: i dont know. I've an old AMD pc and it works very good :) |
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| 17:10.34 | pparadis | calamari: can you please pastebin the exact error output you're seeing to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:10.44 | kajo | calamari: try to reinstall the package by using "apt-get --reinstall install the_package_name_here" |
| 17:11.34 | calamari | pparadis: unfortunately not.. in synaptic it says I have two broken packages. the "fix" tries to uninstall half my system. I'm hoping to get more info about the problem |
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| 17:11.57 | mparodi | am I wrong or all the themes in KDE are dark? |
| 17:12.00 | Diopter | calamari: What about apt-get -f install? |
| 17:12.04 | mparodi | I believe it's some kind of bug |
| 17:12.10 | Calinou | mparodi, no? maybe your monitor brightness is low? |
| 17:12.10 | jparkton | calamari are you in the middle of a dist upgrade? |
| 17:12.13 | calamari | Diopter: same.. I am hoping to get more info |
| 17:12.15 | Calinou | also you can install themes if you want |
| 17:12.19 | mparodi | let me show you |
| 17:12.26 | Calinou | doesn't have KDE; he uses xfce |
| 17:12.46 | mparodi | http://wstaw.org/m/2012/07/09/plasma-desktopNT3484.png |
| 17:12.46 | calamari | Diopter: surely debian knows why it thinks they are broken, I just need to figure out how to get it to cough that info up |
| 17:12.49 | pparadis | calamari: please open a terminal and (as root or using sudo) try what mparodi suggested, and carefully read whatever output it gives you before proceeding. |
| 17:13.00 | mparodi | it's the Air theme (supposed not to be dark) |
| 17:13.03 | pparadis | calamari: you may also wish to pastebin that output. |
| 17:13.04 | kajo | thinks openbox FTW!! |
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| 17:13.28 | mparodi | but it's even hard to read the names of the applications |
| 17:13.52 | calamari | pparadis: I must not have seen what mparodi suggested? |
| 17:13.57 | pparadis | calamari: sorry, what Diopter suggested. |
| 17:14.07 | pparadis | calamari: apt-get -f install |
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| 17:14.26 | ksuhku | mparodi, well, all themes in gnome are light! |
| 17:14.49 | mparodi | it seems to be a bug |
| 17:14.59 | Calinou | how can it be a BUG? |
| 17:15.03 | calamari | pparadis: but that just suggests a course of action.. I'd like to know WHY it wants to take that action |
| 17:15.11 | Calinou | - check and tweak your monitor's brightness/contrast |
| 17:15.14 | Calinou | - try another theme |
| 17:15.22 | Calinou | - see with another DE if it's still dark |
| 17:15.22 | mparodi | Calinou, is it normal that a theme that is light looks so dark? |
| 17:15.27 | pparadis | calamari: unless you feel like pastebinning what you're seeing, nobody is going to be able to begin to help you. |
| 17:15.35 | mparodi | it's not the monitor, it's almost black! |
| 17:15.41 | mparodi | how can it be the brightness? |
| 17:15.45 | calamari | pparadis: so debian never reveals its secrets about why it thinks packages are broken? |
| 17:15.48 | mparodi | all the rest is fine but the theme :P |
| 17:16.06 | mparodi | <Calinou> - try another theme <-- all of theme looks similar, ie, dark |
| 17:16.08 | Calinou | * kajo thinks openbox FTW!! |
| 17:16.12 | Calinou | thinks win95 FTW!! |
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| 17:16.14 | pparadis | calamari: you're making it impossible to help you. nobody said that at all. we're trying to get you to provide the information needed to even begin to address your inquiry. |
| 17:16.29 | pparadis | calamari: please also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
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| 17:16.34 | Calinou | mparodi, it could be a bug maybe then... |
| 17:16.40 | Calinou | it does look weird yes |
| 17:16.46 | Calinou | hardly readable |
| 17:16.53 | mparodi | yeah :| |
| 17:17.31 | mparodi | in fact if I install themes using the Get New Themes button (http://wstaw.org/m/2012/07/09/plasma-desktopCZ3484.png) they're not shown in the themes menu (I even tried reopening the settings panel) |
| 17:17.32 | calamari | pparadis: I appreciate the fact that you guys are trying to help me fix the broken packages.. but that's not the help I'm looking for. my problem is that I want to understand more, I want to gather more info. I am not looking for help for a fix but I am looking for help on how to get more information about my problem |
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| 17:18.09 | pparadis | calamari: we are trying to help you figure out _why_ they are broken in the first place. you are not listening, and i am not interested in helping you any further. others may be, but i'm not at this point. |
| 17:18.38 | SNow | thewanderer1: I think there was an issue with buffer_pool_size in mysql, after reboot somehow default huge config came up rather than old one, checked backups it was only 2g ... |
| 17:18.52 | calamari | okay is there another place where I can ask my question? maybe it is too technical for this channel |
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| 17:19.24 | jparkton | lol |
| 17:19.29 | ksuhku | slaps calamari with a trout |
| 17:19.34 | pparadis | calamari: that's pretty funny. most of the people in here use debian for a living and many (such as myself) have been dealing with it for a decade or more. have a nice day. |
| 17:19.34 | dharrigan | puts on his abestos jacket. |
| 17:19.37 | pparadis | !next |
| 17:19.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 17:20.16 | jparkton | I am always amazed how Google is not first on someones list of troubleshooting |
| 17:20.28 | calamari | pparadis: I find it funny that you've been using debian for that long, but that you don't know how to get the package manager to tell you what dependency problems there are that cause it to report a package as broken |
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| 17:20.59 | dkr | calamari: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ |
| 17:21.00 | pparadis | calamari: just stop. how many times to i have to explain to you that is what i've been trying to do. |
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| 17:21.22 | pparadis | calamari: synaptic isn't the package manager, bud. it's a GUI front end to apt. |
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| 17:21.35 | calamari | pparadis: yes I realize that |
| 17:22.00 | pparadis | and if you had given us the output that was asked for, you probably could have had your question answered. instead, you feel like insulting the very people who volunteer to help you, so have a nice day. go install ubuntu. |
| 17:22.11 | calamari | how did I insult you |
| 17:22.30 | calamari | and I am running ubuntu, but it uses debian packaging |
| 17:22.33 | jparkton | calamari probably by acting like a pompus arrogant asshole? |
| 17:22.37 | Diopter | lol! |
| 17:22.40 | Diopter | Amazing. |
| 17:23.03 | calamari | you guys just don't know the answer so you sling insults to try to cover |
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| 17:23.05 | peterrooney | calamari: you are wading into deep waters. /join #ubuntu, because ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 17:23.05 | calamari | I see it all the time |
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| 17:23.17 | ilius | hi, i wanna buy a wireless usb adapter, i know almost nothing about this (hardware) field |
| 17:23.18 | ilius | according to this file:///data/internet/internet-connection/wireless/vahid-wifi-usb/USB.html and a online shop in our location, i guess D-Link DWA-140 should be good |
| 17:23.21 | ksuhku | gotta love ubuntu |
| 17:23.25 | ilius | any opinios? |
| 17:23.31 | peterrooney | calamari, I know the answer to that question, IF you were using a debian system. |
| 17:23.32 | ilius | *ns |
| 17:23.46 | jparkton | debian != Ubuntu |
| 17:23.48 | jparkton | nuff said |
| 17:23.48 | thewanderer1 | SNow: hmm ok... sane buffer sizes would be it :P |
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| 17:24.01 | calamari | debian packaging is the same, I'm surprised you didn't know that |
| 17:24.06 | peterrooney | calamari: ubuntu has bitten my ass many times at work because I expected it to be the similar to debian |
| 17:24.18 | calamari | dependencies might be different |
| 17:24.22 | calamari | but the system is the same |
| 17:24.27 | piglit | if i want to install debian from a usbstick as i havent got a cdrom or dvd drive do i need to download the cd rom or the DVD ? the usb stick is 4 gig in size |
| 17:24.28 | peterrooney | calamari: no, it is not at all the same. smarten up. |
| 17:24.33 | calamari | okay |
| 17:24.41 | jparkton | so if you know so god damn much go frack off and make it work |
| 17:24.45 | jparkton | kthnx bye |
| 17:25.00 | ciem | jparkton :-D |
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| 17:25.04 | calamari | n |
| 17:25.13 | jparkton | ish trolling obvious troll |
| 17:25.21 | ciem | rage |
| 17:25.22 | ilius | i meant http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices/USB |
| 17:25.45 | jparkton | just like the derp that came in #Java to sling erroneous assumptions |
| 17:26.02 | jparkton | lol |
| 17:26.28 | jparkton | is really holding back a stupid commetn lol |
| 17:26.39 | calamari | found an answer! here is what you guys did not know or were unwilling to tell me: apt-get check |
| 17:26.45 | peterrooney | jparkton: come on, let it out. you'll feel better |
| 17:26.56 | calamari | so now you know for next time |
| 17:26.59 | pparadis | calamari: i've glad you found a way to educate yourself. |
| 17:27.01 | pparadis | have a nice day. |
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| 17:27.14 | pparadis | i'm even. |
| 17:27.55 | jparkton | calamari the answer is sudo rm - rf /* |
| 17:27.59 | jparkton | hahaha |
| 17:28.15 | ciem | "Leaving" like a sir |
| 17:28.31 | jparkton | pparadis I assume he used the first persons answer and tried the web browser method |
| 17:28.33 | jparkton | LOL |
| 17:28.38 | jparkton | OMG like a sir |
| 17:28.43 | jparkton | le derp |
| 17:28.50 | ciem | :-P |
| 17:28.58 | jparkton | le 9 gag |
| 17:29.02 | peterrooney | can we PLEASE put the `based on debian' factoid in the topic so that we can stop losing time to this crap? |
| 17:29.10 | ksuhku | like !ubuntu |
| 17:29.11 | jparkton | shups now cause its off topic |
| 17:29.36 | jparkton | somehow I seriously doubt the Ubuntuers will even read it |
| 17:29.40 | jparkton | but sure have at it |
| 17:30.02 | ksuhku | now back to your regular programming... |
| 17:30.03 | pparadis | it is very frustrating when someone refuses to provide requested output to help others understand exactly what he's really dealing with. volunteers try so hard to help, and will spend a ton of time for free helping others learn and fix things, but situations like that last one are just impossible to deal with. |
| 17:30.05 | peterrooney | like bash, 90% of the debian "solutions" found on the web are wrong. |
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| 17:30.23 | jparkton | maybe a trigger where saying Ubuntu pops up a msg Ubuntu != Debian |
| 17:30.32 | ksuhku | !ubuntu |
| 17:30.32 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 17:30.46 | peterrooney | off to my commute... |
| 17:30.49 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic ... |
| 17:30.54 | pparadis | abrotman: nod :) |
| 17:30.58 | Calinou | <jparkton> maybe a trigger where saying Ubuntu pops up a msg Ubuntu != Debian |
| 17:30.59 | Calinou | could be funny |
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| 17:31.53 | kajo | jparkton: google is your enemy!! (why not using ixquick, for example ? :) ) |
| 17:32.18 | pparadis | c'mon guys, #debian-offtopic for chatter. i'm guilty too, but trying to help steer it back :) |
| 17:32.29 | Calinou | laughs at #debian-offtopic |
| 17:32.34 | Calinou | "i made coffee today!" |
| 17:32.34 | kajo | calamari is not totally wrong , after all.. |
| 17:32.39 | Calinou | google FTW |
| 17:32.41 | Calinou | (yes) |
| 17:33.02 | Jayrays | this might be a stretch here, but has anyone gotten ultima online to work on debian? |
| 17:33.08 | kajo | calamari: try aptitude, then pressing "b" you can find broken packages. |
| 17:33.10 | Jayrays | quick google searches seem to yield ambiguous results :P |
| 17:33.28 | peterrooney | !poll |
| 17:33.28 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 17:33.51 | Jayrays | okay, so let me reword it |
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| 17:33.56 | Jayrays | Does anyone know how to install UO on debian? |
| 17:34.21 | Jayrays | I think I pretty much got to the point the first time, though |
| 17:35.15 | pparadis | Jayrays: if you've tried to install it on debian, but things aren't working, please tell us what resources you've tried to use, what went wrong (error output, logs, etc), what version of debian you're using, the usual basic information. |
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| 17:36.02 | pparadis | Jayrays: please do note that things outside the debian repositories are not officially supported, and there may not be a good answer for you here, but perhaps someone can offer some advice. |
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| 17:37.02 | ov3rmind | hello people |
| 17:37.17 | Jayrays | I used wheezy, wine, winetricks, used winetricks to install the usual stuff for playing a windows game on linux.. corefonts, vcrun6, dotnet20. After installing it, it doesn't seem to be in the directory.. or anywhere for that matter |
| 17:37.25 | jordanm | Jayrays: I have played UO using the opensource launcher without issues |
| 17:37.38 | Jayrays | it's worth noting that it installed almost -instantly-, which anytime something does that on wine you can almost bet it went screwy :P |
| 17:37.39 | jordanm | I forget what its called though |
| 17:37.57 | Jayrays | jordanm: humm.. iris2 I think? |
| 17:37.59 | Jayrays | is that the one? |
| 17:38.08 | jordanm | sounds familar, its been years |
| 17:38.38 | ov3rmind | anyone with pratice in use of ltsp in squeezy can give me some help to put it to work here? |
| 17:38.49 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 17:38.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:38.51 | piglit | i have got a Intel 7400 CPU which iso do i need to download is AMD64 for AMD only or is it more like it is 64 bits for Both Intel and AMD > |
| 17:38.53 | piglit | ? |
| 17:39.04 | jordanm | piglit: 64bit for both |
| 17:39.43 | kevlarman | piglit: amd64 is the name of the architecture on both intel and amd cpus today |
| 17:39.50 | kevlarman | piglit: ia64 is itanic |
| 17:40.30 | piglit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.43 | jordanm | 1tell piglit about netinst |
| 17:40.46 | jordanm | !tell piglit about netinst |
| 17:41.01 | kevlarman | piglit: unless you're installing it on multiple systems i'd suggest the netinstall image |
| 17:41.04 | pparadis | Jayrays: ultima online does seem to pretty well supported in wine --> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=228 |
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| 17:42.00 | pparadis | Jayrays: you might consider asking for more specific help in #winehq |
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| 17:43.58 | Jayrays | awesome, thanks |
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| 17:44.45 | kajo | anyone |
| 17:44.46 | kajo | anyone? |
| 17:44.50 | pparadis | Jayrays: sure thing :) |
| 17:44.53 | kajo | hmmm |
| 17:45.36 | pparadis | bueller? |
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| 17:47.06 | jparkton | omg I was just about to do that |
| 17:47.14 | jparkton | Great minds think alike |
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| 17:48.08 | belak | How can I check if a package, like vim, is backportable? |
| 17:48.19 | stew | judd: checkbackport vim |
| 17:48.47 | judd | Backporting package vim in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-4.6. |
| 17:48.59 | belak | ... |
| 17:49.07 | belak | seriously? |
| 17:49.20 | Calinou | yes |
| 17:49.28 | Calinou | the bot isn't telling jokes, he isn't funny |
| 17:49.40 | belak | Darn. |
| 17:49.56 | belak | What about from wheezy? |
| 17:50.06 | stew | judd: checkbackport vim --release wheezy |
| 17:50.07 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <i386>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 17:50.11 | stew | judd: checkbackport vim --fromrelease wheezy |
| 17:50.16 | judd | Backporting package vim in wheezyāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-4.6. |
| 17:50.35 | jparkton | apt-get install gcc? |
| 17:51.08 | stew | judd: it specifically build-depends on gcc-4.6 |
| 17:51.45 | belak | There has to be a way... |
| 17:51.49 | kevlarman | but will most likely build with older gcc |
| 17:51.53 | stew | if just installing gcc were enough, it would declare the build-dependency, since gcc is part of build-essential |
| 17:52.04 | stew | kevlarman: if that is the case, a bug should be filed |
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| 17:54.48 | ciem | judd's a bot? |
| 17:55.46 | stew | yes |
| 17:55.54 | belak | Is there a way to make aptitude only pull some packages, like vim, from wheezy |
| 17:55.57 | ciem | good to know |
| 17:56.09 | acu | if I want a clean install of wheezy (I run sid) now - if I do change the repos to wheezy then aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade will do it? or how to make a clean install |
| 17:56.11 | stew | belak: yes, but we'd strongly discourage that |
| 17:56.26 | stew | acu: you get the squeeze installer, install the base system, then upgrade to wheezy |
| 17:56.41 | jordanm | If you really have to do something like that, just download the .deb for packages.debian.org |
| 17:56.46 | belak | stew: is there a better way of getting a version of vim on squeeze that isn't 2-3 years out of date? Sorry, this is just a little annoying... :/ |
| 17:56.48 | pparadis | or the wheezy alpha installer :) |
| 17:56.49 | acu | stew: I have sid not installed, would it work ? |
| 17:57.03 | jordanm | belak: what do you need from the newer version of vim? |
| 17:57.26 | stew | belak: you could run vim from a wheezy chroot perhaps |
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| 17:57.45 | belak | jordanm: a few extra options and syntax hilighting files |
| 17:57.57 | Diopter | wheezy chroot is pretty simple. Assuming you don't need special kernel bits |
| 17:58.01 | Diopter | debootstrap ftfw |
| 17:58.22 | kevlarman | belak: if you have some bandwidth and cpu time to burn, you can change the package from wheezy to use older gcc and try it |
| 17:58.33 | kevlarman | there's a non-zero chance it will work |
| 17:58.42 | ilius | D-Link or TP-LINK which one is better in general :D |
| 17:58.42 | ilius | for a wireless adapter actually |
| 17:58.51 | belak | Currently attempting to build it... heh |
| 17:58.57 | belak | We'll see how that goes |
| 17:59.02 | kajo | dpkg: anyone? |
| 17:59.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:00.21 | acu | ok, what is the command to force a clean - forced upgrade ? |
| 18:00.32 | stew | acu: what is that? |
| 18:00.34 | Calinou | aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 18:00.55 | stew | acu: can you explain what these terms mean? "clean - forced upgrade" ? |
| 18:01.06 | ciem | is it a good choice to use xfce with debian or just stick with gnome? |
| 18:01.19 | stew | ciem: its good to try both and see which you prefer |
| 18:01.42 | ciem | i mean, is the difference in performance so big? |
| 18:01.44 | Gargantua | Sure |
| 18:01.46 | belak | Could I backport gcc-4.6 as well? |
| 18:01.57 | belak | judd: checkbackport gcc-4.6 |
| 18:01.58 | judd | Backporting package gcc-4.6 in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils (>= 2.21.1) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.21.1), libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~);Build-Depends-Indep: doxygen (>= 1.7.2). |
| 18:02.00 | acu | stew: I have sid, and I want to change to wheezy, I know there is a command to aptitude upgrade |
| 18:02.01 | Gargantua | You can be sure that anything in the repo's is just as stable as another. At least for packages like that. |
| 18:02.05 | belak | I guess that would be no. |
| 18:02.27 | kevlarman | belak: nope |
| 18:02.43 | kevlarman | belak: too much multiarch crap |
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| 18:02.50 | stew | acu: taht's not an upgrade, that is a downgrade, which is not supported. for some packages you can downgrade easily, others you'll have to fix manually. there isn't a straightforward way to deteremine which break |
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| 18:04.01 | acu | stew: if I want a clean reinstall, without an usb or cd, how would I do it - now I have sid into that machine, and have network access |
| 18:04.46 | kevlarman | acu: you'll still need a cd or usb around in case you break the bootloader |
| 18:04.55 | Calinou | <ciem> is it a good choice to use xfce with debian or just stick with gnome? |
| 18:04.59 | pparadis | acu: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 18:05.00 | Calinou | depends on your opinion |
| 18:05.08 | Calinou | Xfce is lighter than gnome, uses less RAM |
| 18:05.14 | Calinou | seems to start quicker too |
| 18:05.17 | stew | acu: you could do a manual install onto another partition with debootstrap, then fix all the things manually which the installer does that debootstrap doesn't |
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| 18:05.22 | Calinou | it still looks good and is convenient, imo. |
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| 18:06.00 | stew | acu: do you have a serial console? |
| 18:06.06 | pparadis | very good question :) |
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| 18:06.40 | MO_Handes | what is the best application for converting viedeos in Debian?! |
| 18:06.44 | Gargantua | ciem: depends on your specs/setup I suppose |
| 18:06.46 | pparadis | !best |
| 18:06.46 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:06.54 | MO_Handes | s/viedeos/videos |
| 18:07.14 | Gargantua | I use gnome+compiz with minimal feature (mainly just like the transparency and tiling features of compiz), no problems what so ever. |
| 18:07.18 | MO_Handes | !best video-converter |
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| 18:08.45 | MO_Handes | what is the best application for converting viedeos in Debian?! |
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| 18:09.06 | Diopter | MO_Handes: ffmpeg? mencoder? |
| 18:09.14 | Diopter | What does "best" mean? |
| 18:09.38 | MO_Handes | I prefer it to have GUI |
| 18:09.38 | jparkton | right click > move to trash? |
| 18:09.59 | jparkton | ffmpeg is a great one though |
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| 18:10.21 | Gargantua | MO_Handes: try winff |
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| 18:10.38 | Jayrays | pparadis: actually, that link alone fixed my problem without any further help required. apparently you have to pre-create the directory it's supposed to go in, otherwise it wont properly install ;) |
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| 18:10.45 | MO_Handes | thanks, I'm downloading it |
| 18:10.52 | Jayrays | sometimes when the machine wont work, the first thing ya gotta do is make sure the cord is plugged in. :P |
| 18:10.54 | Jayrays | thanks again for the help |
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| 18:15.56 | pparadis | Jayrays: that's great to hear! |
| 18:16.03 | belak | Looks like it's a bug with 4.7 that made them require 4.6 |
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| 18:18.26 | belak | So far, it's building fine with gcc 4.4, after editing the debian/rules file to export CC=gcc |
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| 18:21.34 | pparadis | belak: haha, i just came to IRC to tell you exactly that :) |
| 18:21.47 | pparadis | decided to run off and see if he could build it on squeeze |
| 18:21.49 | belak | lol |
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| 18:21.57 | belak | I'm currently building it... |
| 18:22.04 | pparadis | belak: i also forgot to install libnurses5-dev at first. |
| 18:22.06 | belak | I don't like that I need to build vim-gtk as well |
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| 18:22.15 | belak | pparadis: aptitude build-dep vim |
| 18:22.24 | belak | I <3 that command |
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| 18:23.06 | ciem | I like one thing about learning how to use gnu/linux and all that technical, hardware and software stuff |
| 18:23.15 | pparadis | belak: yeah, i just missed it here :) http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.3.547-3.dsc |
| 18:23.22 | belak | Ah |
| 18:23.47 | ciem | after world war III everything will be like in assembler again |
| 18:23.53 | ciem | :P |
| 18:24.10 | belak | Is it possible to build a set of packages without building some in the set, like vim-gtk/vim-gnome? |
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| 18:26.12 | pparadis | belak: http://packages.debian.org/sid/vim-nox |
| 18:26.35 | stew | belak: no, you'd have to edit the control file and maybe debian/rules |
| 18:26.46 | belak | Here's the odd thing... I'd like X support, but no gtk... clipboard is nice |
| 18:26.49 | belak | stew: thanks |
| 18:26.51 | stew | pparadis: that's what he's building |
| 18:27.03 | pparadis | stew: ah, i thought he was building vim |
| 18:27.14 | stew | pparadis: yes, same source package |
| 18:27.37 | stew | Source Package: vim Binary: vim-common, vim-gui-common, vim-runtime, vim-doc, vim-tiny, vim, vim-dbg, vim-gtk, vim-nox, vim-athena, vim-lesstif, vim-gnome |
| 18:28.12 | pparadis | stew: that makes sense, i don't spend a lot of time doing this particular stuff as you can tell :) |
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| 18:28.51 | pparadis | see the problem with debian is that it tends to just work, so i haven't typically had the need to go this ;) |
| 18:29.19 | pparadis | stew: maybe i should just start running sid on a bunch of stuff. |
| 18:29.46 | stew | fix RC bugs instead |
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| 18:29.57 | pparadis | that is a better idea for sure. |
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| 18:30.12 | jparkton | needs to upgrade to sid and work on stuffs too |
| 18:30.17 | streuner | RC bugs are for release managers or DD's |
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| 18:30.37 | jparkton | RC is for anyone I believe |
| 18:30.49 | streuner | dream on |
| 18:30.51 | jparkton | if you can fix it do it and push it |
| 18:31.00 | break19 | bah, screw that, document the bugs and call em features. |
| 18:31.06 | jparkton | lol |
| 18:31.39 | break19 | hmm.. fix code.. or write docs................ *flips a coin* |
| 18:31.43 | jparkton | Plugins/Breakable-stuffs |
| 18:31.56 | break19 | *G* |
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| 18:32.34 | dax | Anyone have any suggestions for a sans-serif font in the repos that distinguishes lI1 and O0 more clearly than DejaVu Sans? |
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| 18:32.52 | dax | (and is usable as a general interface font) |
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| 18:32.59 | jparkton | Comic sans |
| 18:33.02 | jparkton | lol |
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| 18:33.25 | jparkton | err remove tat didnt look at sans |
| 18:33.53 | belak | pparadis: well, I have _all the vim packages_ now... lol |
| 18:34.21 | pparadis | belak: \o/ (i think ;) ) |
| 18:34.39 | pparadis | belak: so everything indeed built fine? |
| 18:34.41 | belak | Yep |
| 18:34.48 | jparkton | awww yay emotes |
| 18:35.21 | belak | I just have way more than I actually need on here now... I could have just built vim vim-common and vim-runtime |
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| 18:37.09 | ciem | keep calm and use times new roman :X |
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| 18:38.10 | stew | dax: having a dot in the middle of 0 is not enough to distinguish it from O ? |
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| 18:38.34 | dax | stew: Deja Vu Sans doesn't have a dot in the middle of 0 |
| 18:38.46 | stew | it does for me |
| 18:39.39 | stew | and it does here: http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| 18:40.28 | pparadis | shows a dot for me. |
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| 18:40.39 | dax | that's Deja Vu Sans Mono at that URL, not Deja Vu Sans |
| 18:40.45 | stew | oh, hmm, is it possibly only in the mono version? |
| 18:41.05 | dax | looks like it :< |
| 18:41.09 | stew | so then, yeah, i have a suggested alternative! |
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| 18:42.00 | dax | thinking about it, I could probably just change the font for this application to Mono and be fine with it |
| 18:42.27 | dax | I was thinking along the lines of changing my global font preferences, but this works too I guess |
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| 18:42.57 | oops | how can I ask debian to interpret the hardware clock as localtime? |
| 18:43.08 | stew | oops: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:43.32 | dvs | oops: edit /etc/default/rc.S to say "UTC=no" |
| 18:44.01 | dvs | stew: dont believe you. ;-P |
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| 18:44.49 | pparadis | oops: for reference, it's described in 16.1 here --> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 18:45.03 | oops | stew, dvs, /etc/default/rcS says: #UTC=yes # OBSOLETE; see /etc/adjtime and hwclock(8). |
| 18:45.54 | oops | cat /etc/adjtime shows: 3.645459 1340836213 0.000000 |
| 18:45.55 | oops | 1340836213 |
| 18:45.55 | oops | UTC |
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| 18:46.25 | streuner | oops, are you using windows? |
| 18:46.31 | oops | streuner, yes |
| 18:46.37 | streuner | hm |
| 18:46.49 | dvs | oops: I don't see that in my file |
| 18:46.52 | streuner | so, just follow the advice from stew and dvs |
| 18:47.11 | oops | do I need to restart some service after making that change? |
| 18:47.26 | pparadis | oops: the reference i linked you to recommends a reboot after that. |
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| 18:49.07 | streuner | dpkg, listvals UTC=no |
| 18:49.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'UTC=no' by value returned no results. |
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| 18:49.39 | streuner | impossible, where is the fine factoid? |
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| 18:52.08 | streuner | oops, anyway, just do what stew and dvs told you and edit that file |
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| 18:52.14 | oops | that didn't work |
| 18:52.29 | dvs | oops: and you rebooted? |
| 18:52.35 | oops | yes |
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| 18:53.05 | dvs | oops: I'd check your BIOS clock to see what time it has. |
| 18:53.13 | oops | it contains the local time |
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| 18:53.37 | dvs | I'd check it again just to make sure. |
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| 18:54.10 | euro | hi... |
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| 18:54.15 | euro | I have done some disc write testing. If I write direct to the hdd I get 88 MB/s, if I copy from hdd to hdd on the same PC i get 78 MB/s. If I write over my home LAN i get 38 MB/s. Is this "normal"? |
| 18:54.38 | euro | (LAN=NFS) |
| 18:55.23 | Calinou | yes, because it's slower |
| 18:55.32 | Calinou | LAN has some ping time |
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| 18:55.40 | Calinou | obviously |
| 18:55.42 | oops | dvs, yes, I have checked it. the local time is in the hardware clock as I see in the BIOS. |
| 18:55.50 | oops | changing /etc/default/rcS has no effect |
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| 18:56.16 | pparadis | oops: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:56.17 | Diopter | euro: Is your LAN 100Mbps or 1Gbps? |
| 18:56.22 | oops | pparadis, wheezy |
| 18:56.28 | oops | moreoever it showed, #UTC=yes # OBSOLETE; see /etc/adjtime and hwclock(8). |
| 18:56.36 | oops | i am trying to understand the /etc/adjtime format |
| 18:56.41 | euro | Diopter: giga |
| 18:57.01 | pparadis | 38 megabytes per second is about 300 megabits per second, so yeah it would have to greater than 100 Mbits |
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| 18:57.27 | euro | pparadis: :-) |
| 18:57.29 | pparadis | s/have to/have to be/ |
| 18:57.51 | dondelelcaro | oops: change the 3rd line of /etc/adjtime from UTC to LOCAL |
| 18:58.01 | oops | yes, did that. rebooting now. |
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| 18:58.09 | oops | do you know what the first two lines in that file mean? |
| 18:58.16 | streuner | oops: #UTC=no # OBSOLETE; see /etc/adjtime and hwclock(8). |
| 18:58.25 | Diopter | pparadis: Bah, I was thinking of 802.11n speeds, but I said ethernet speeds. 150, 300, 450, 600 |
| 18:58.29 | dondelelcaro | oops: yes, it's documented in man hwclock |
| 18:58.37 | euro | I wonder if I can improve my LAN transfer performance |
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| 18:59.08 | Calinou | get a better LAN (ethernet cable/etc) |
| 18:59.11 | Calinou | :} |
| 18:59.21 | streuner | strange, it was easier before, IIRC |
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| 18:59.24 | Calinou | if 38M/s isn't enough for you, consider compressing the files you transfer or whatever |
| 18:59.28 | oops | dondelelcaro, no luck after reboot. it still interprets the hardware clock as UTC |
| 18:59.29 | Calinou | *_* |
| 18:59.30 | Diopter | euro: If you're getting 1/3 of your theoretical bandwidth over gigabit links, you either have a NIC/cable/switch issue or you're using an inefficient transfer method |
| 18:59.39 | Calinou | Diopter, these are theorical |
| 18:59.48 | Calinou | > tip: shorter ethernet cables are faster |
| 18:59.51 | euro | Calinou: are you sure? I have Intel LAN cards and cat5e cables |
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| 19:00.06 | Calinou | still theorical |
| 19:00.14 | zro | whats a rational way to assess downtime? If i had a machine that I checked today and it was hung at boot, how can i find out when it went down? |
| 19:00.14 | pparadis | euro: you might test your LAN speed with iperf and pastebin the results --> http://openmaniak.com/iperf.php |
| 19:00.23 | Calinou | companies like saying whatever they want today; also, the theorical speeds are megabits not megabytes |
| 19:00.31 | Calinou | and 38M/s is in megabytes I presume? |
| 19:00.40 | jordanm | zro: by checking the alert times on your monitoring system |
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| 19:00.51 | zro | ... |
| 19:00.53 | pparadis | Calinou: i've got much better than he's getting server to server on a GigE LAN. |
| 19:00.58 | dondelelcaro | oops: what does hwclock -r; output? is the time set properly? |
| 19:01.05 | euro | pparadis: I have never used that comand, I will check it out right now. |
| 19:01.09 | jordanm | zro: if you don't have that, check the last syslog entries that were made, sar logs, then install a real monitoring system |
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| 19:01.27 | euro | Calinou: MB/s, not Mb/s |
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| 19:01.32 | zro | ill take the admonishment olny because yr right |
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| 19:02.08 | dondelelcaro | oops: you may also need to run hwclock --adjust --localtime --systohc; or similar to get it to do the right thing |
| 19:02.09 | Diopter | pparadis: As have I. Can get pretty damn near 950Mbps sustained with a good cable, all large frames and efficient transfer protocols |
| 19:02.18 | pparadis | nod |
| 19:02.42 | euro | Dipoter: I have 82 MB/s when I read over my NFS LAN |
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| 19:02.46 | Diopter | iperf is definitely the win. Or you can just tar | nc on one end and nc | tar on the other. |
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| 19:04.18 | pparadis | euro: is that the speed you're seeing iperf, or the read speed you were seeing via NFS? |
| 19:04.20 | zro | real monitoring system suggestion, jordanm |
| 19:04.22 | zro | ? |
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| 19:05.30 | euro | pparadis: I have only timed a dd and cp over the NFS |
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| 19:05.45 | euro | pparadis: I will test iperf |
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| 19:05.54 | pparadis | zro: http://www.tripwire.org/ || http://www.snort.org/ and similar are worth a look. |
| 19:06.07 | euro | pparadis: give me a few minutes :-) |
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| 19:16.31 | vampi-the-frog | guise, any idea why ssh stalls when I try to login? it takes like 10 seconds before the password prompt appears |
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| 19:17.09 | stew | vampi-the-frog: usually a reverse DNS failure |
| 19:17.49 | vampi-the-frog | what does that mean and how do I disable it? |
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| 19:18.04 | stew | vampi-the-frog: do you know what dns is? |
| 19:18.24 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: what is in /etc/resolv.conf on the system hosting the sshd? |
| 19:18.25 | vampi-the-frog | sure, it's that fancy new drug everyone's talking about |
| 19:18.48 | stew | ... |
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| 19:18.52 | vampi-the-frog | a domain line, a search line and a nameserver line |
| 19:18.56 | vampi-the-frog | of course i know what DNS is |
| 19:18.58 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: also, on that machine, can you use "dig" or "host" to reliably look up DNS entries? |
| 19:19.00 | vampi-the-frog | i just don't know the details |
| 19:19.09 | vampi-the-frog | pparadis: on the server or the client? |
| 19:19.23 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: i was really suggeting you pastebin the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:19.30 | pparadis | s/suggeting/suggesting/ |
| 19:19.40 | vampi-the-frog | domain interconnect.ro \n search interconnect.ro \n nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
| 19:19.43 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: on your last question, the server. |
| 19:19.50 | vampi-the-frog | 192.168.2.1 is the router's IP |
| 19:20.07 | vampi-the-frog | dig and host work fine and instantly with google.com |
| 19:20.11 | vampi-the-frog | I'll try my client IP |
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| 19:20.47 | vampi-the-frog | dig times out with my client IP |
| 19:20.58 | vampi-the-frog | looks about the same timeout as the password prompt delay |
| 19:21.03 | pparadis | what is your client IP? |
| 19:21.17 | vampi-the-frog | see my whois |
| 19:21.50 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: can you please just paste it here? |
| 19:21.56 | simonlnu | 188.25.231.245 |
| 19:22.04 | vampi-the-frog | thank you, internet stranger |
| 19:22.10 | simonlnu | yw |
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| 19:23.03 | stew | vampi-the-frog: so you can either fix the reverse dns or turn off UseDNS in your sshd_config |
| 19:23.08 | acu | OK, so it seem that Xorg and ATI is not solved in Wheezy - am I right ? |
| 19:23.15 | vampi-the-frog | aahhhh |
| 19:23.16 | vampi-the-frog | thanks |
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| 19:23.35 | stew | that reverse dns resolves quickly for me |
| 19:23.57 | dvs | acu: As far as I know. |
| 19:23.57 | stew | (i'm going to guess that isn't the ip address that the server sees) |
| 19:24.01 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: it's generally considered polite to simply provide information that is requested when someone is trying to help you. moving forward, yeah, it resolves immediately for me as well --> http://paste.debian.net/178349/ |
| 19:24.08 | pparadis | stew: nod, that's what i'm thinking. |
| 19:24.35 | vampi-the-frog | I'm reluctant to give out seemingly sensitive info |
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| 19:25.15 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: i assume what you're doing here is doing ssh from your local network, to another connection, where that router forwards port 22 to the target server. is that correct? |
| 19:25.29 | simonlnu | well, it's not like it's private, we can see it when you join the channel ;). |
| 19:25.30 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: also, your IP address isn't sensitive information. |
| 19:25.31 | acu | thanks dvs, it is almost an exorcism to make a i7 Laptop from HP with ATI vga card to work, pure and simple it does not work, as I said before, fedora 17 runs smooth without a bloody glitch, still do not know what do I need to do to make Debian Wheezy run in that laptop |
| 19:25.48 | vampi-the-frog | I'm internetting to my home servz0r |
| 19:26.09 | dvs | acu: If it's an i7-3xxx I'd say you're SOL. |
| 19:26.32 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: what DNS resolver(s) does the router use? |
| 19:26.46 | vampi-the-frog | not sure |
| 19:26.47 | sney | acu, you are right, ati has not released the new fglrx yet |
| 19:26.51 | vampi-the-frog | it's not OpenDNS if that's what you're thinking |
| 19:26.55 | acu | what is SOL ? dvs ? It is an I7 sandy bridge, perhaps that is 2 xxx |
| 19:27.17 | dvs | !sol |
| 19:27.17 | dpkg | from memory, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 19:27.23 | dvs | the first one |
| 19:27.28 | acu | sney: good suggestion, let me look at ATI website |
| 19:28.06 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: it would be helpful to know what resolvers your router is using, so they could be inspected to see if they behave correctly to resolve the PTR record for the connection you're using. |
| 19:28.25 | vampi-the-frog | I'll just try setting UseDNS off in sshd_config |
| 19:28.28 | pparadis | vampi-the-frog: or alternately changed to resolvers that behave correctly, such as google's (8.8.8.8 for example) |
| 19:28.36 | acu | dvs: I almost never use intel products, I made few exceptions, this being one, and it is just a cruel punishment to make this laptop work with Debian, but again with Fedora it works, so what is different then ? |
| 19:29.00 | euro | pparadis: sorry for making you wait, had to install and read a little about iperf... |
| 19:29.14 | dvs | acu: And Fedora uses the fglrx drivers? |
| 19:30.05 | acu | dvs: let me look into it, I doubt though, and this was working 9 days ago too... |
| 19:30.26 | euro | pparadis: I do not how to test it, but if I start the server and then connect the client to the server I get the following: Bandwith = 315 Mbits/sec |
| 19:31.02 | vampi-the-frog | well, setting UseDNS to 'no' removed the timeout. thanks stew and everyone else |
| 19:31.12 | vampi-the-frog | s/timeout/delay |
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| 19:32.03 | pparadis | euro: okay, that's a good data point. if iperf is showing 315 megabits per second, that's about 40 megabytes per second, and consistent with what you were seeing in your initial NFS tests. |
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| 19:33.09 | pparadis | euro: what this means is your LAN is signficantly underperforming for a setup that is supposed to be GigE. you might consider joining ##networking to pick some peoples' brains about that, as it really isn't debian-specific (or doesn't immediately appear to be at least). |
| 19:33.30 | euro | pparadis: right, now I know that it is not my NFS setup that is slowing things down |
| 19:34.01 | pparadis | euro: on the debian side, you might consider googling for your exact hardware specs (esp your NICs) to check if others have had performances issues, and if there might be simple solutions available. |
| 19:34.08 | euro | pparadis: I guess it is not |
| 19:34.18 | pparadis | you might also consider investigating if others have had such issues with the switch(es) you're using, or the router, etc. |
| 19:34.26 | dvs | pparadis: What do you mean significanlty underperforming? That's about 30% of potential. |
| 19:34.37 | pparadis | but yeah, ##networking might be a better bet. |
| 19:34.58 | pparadis | dvs: it's a polite way of saying "holy cow, if that's supposed to on a GigE network, boy howdy is something not working right" :) |
| 19:35.33 | euro | pparadis: I was expeting aprox the same performance in both directions, but I get half the read speed on writes :-S |
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| 19:36.16 | pparadis | euro: are you saying you get half the performance, using iperf, going from one machine to the other, as opposed to the other way around? |
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| 19:37.33 | euro | pparadis: no, that was not it, but it is a good question. I was refering to copy using my NFS connection. |
| 19:38.10 | euro | pparadis: I will test the other direction with iperf |
| 19:40.03 | pparadis | euro: yeah, if you're only getting 30% of your theoretical max as tested with iperf, at least you know to ignore NFS for now and work on getting the basic numbers up first. |
| 19:40.14 | euro | pparadis: iperf result: 676 Mbits/sec this time |
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| 19:40.52 | euro | pparadis: swithing the server and the client |
| 19:41.01 | pparadis | euro: so which way did that last test go? |
| 19:41.53 | euro | pparadis: the first was iperf server on the server, the second test was the iperf server on the client |
| 19:41.55 | pparadis | euro: also, are both machines identical, or (i'm guessing this is the case) are they rather different boxes? running debian on both, same version? |
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| 19:42.40 | euro | pparadis: not the same boxes, both running debian and the same version |
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| 19:43.34 | euro | pparadis: the boxes have the same NICs |
| 19:43.35 | pparadis | euro: you might consider pastebinning the output of "lspci -nn" for both machines |
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| 19:50.17 | euro | pparadis: http://pastebin.com/HwbZd4bp |
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| 19:52.35 | leonardo_ | hi, does anyone uses WindowMaker ? |
| 19:52.48 | euro | pparadis: but I gues you are right, it is not a debian issue |
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| 19:53.14 | fbs | where are the debian live weeklyh/daily builds? http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 19:53.29 | sney | leonardo_: many people use windowmaker or have used it in the past. what's your actual question? |
| 19:53.47 | leonardo_ | I can't play sounds |
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| 19:54.20 | simonlnu | i doubt it was to do with wmaker |
| 19:54.20 | sney | that has nothing to do with windowmaker. |
| 19:54.20 | simonlnu | it has* |
| 19:54.30 | fbs | try alsamixer or pavucontrol |
| 19:54.34 | simonlnu | (wtf did i type 'was'?) |
| 19:54.36 | leonardo_ | yes, I know. I've installed WMaker on an ubuntu machine |
| 19:54.37 | fbs | check if something is muted |
| 19:54.46 | leonardo_ | on Gnome it does work, but not on WMaker |
| 19:55.00 | simonlnu | clue right there... |
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| 19:56.08 | simonlnu | fbs: it's freeze time |
| 19:56.14 | simonlnu | check /topic |
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| 19:57.27 | leonardo_ | I can change values in alsamixer, but it doesn't play sounds... |
| 19:57.39 | sney | make sure no channels are muted |
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| 19:58.19 | jparkton | would lsmod show your sound driver? |
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| 19:58.46 | simonlnu | yes... |
| 19:58.57 | leonardo_ | jparkton: yes: snd 78855 18 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device |
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| 19:59.12 | fbs | simonlnu: I know, but i expected at least a montly build. |
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| 20:00.01 | simonlnu | *shrug* |
| 20:01.06 | stew | fbs: ask #debian-live on irc.debian.net |
| 20:01.14 | jparkton | leonardo_ what type of sound card do ytou have? |
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| 20:02.07 | leonardo_ | jparkton: an intel HDA with Realtek ALC268 chipset. The machine is a toshiba A305 |
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| 20:02.43 | leonardo_ | but as I've said, it works if I log-in to Gnome or Unity, it does not work on WMaker. |
| 20:02.55 | jparkton | ahh |
| 20:03.01 | jparkton | so thats a bit wierd |
| 20:03.51 | kevlarman | leonardo_: you probably need to set up consolekit manually for wmaker |
| 20:03.56 | nsadmin | leonardo_, sound card drivers should not -ever- depend on anything in x... it's quite weird that it does... |
| 20:04.11 | nsadmin | here's a test to see if it's the drivers or something else" |
| 20:04.29 | pparadis | euro: have you tried different cables and switch ports? |
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| 20:05.22 | pparadis | euro: for me, sometimes just replacing a cable has fixed odd problems like those you're seeing. switch ports (and entire switches) can also go flaky; it's worth trying to swap some things around and see if you get different iperf results. |
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| 20:06.08 | leonardo_ | /quit |
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| 20:06.32 | fbs | stew: ah, topic 'broken: snapshot build your own' :<, thanks anway |
| 20:06.34 | nsadmin | if you can restart into one of these things that you say don't work and test to see if the drivers are in place, then a "yes" would rule out drivers (and 9/10 chance of a yes) |
| 20:06.43 | euro | pparadis: good tips, I will do |
| 20:06.48 | simonlnu | i don't think it's the drivers, i think pulseaudio is being used in gnome and not wmaker |
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| 20:06.59 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 20:07.01 | kevlarman | leonardo_: change the line from "exec <yourwmhere>" to "exec ck-launch-session <yourwmhere>" |
| 20:07.09 | simonlnu | and pa is still running when wmaker gets started and blocks alsa |
| 20:07.17 | kevlarman | simonlnu: pa does not block alsa |
| 20:07.20 | pparadis | euro: i've gotta run to deal with some stuff, but please let me know if you can get different results after some tweaks. |
| 20:07.31 | euro | pparadis: but I am still pussled by the strange asymmetry |
| 20:07.37 | nsadmin | pparadis, re. |
| 20:07.53 | simonlnu | kevlarman: that's not my experience |
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| 20:08.02 | euro | pparadis: I will, until the next time. Take care. |
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| 20:08.20 | kevlarman | simonlnu: i mean up until you use pulse, it will not open() the audio hardware |
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| 20:08.47 | simonlnu | noted |
| 20:08.48 | kevlarman | simonlnu: if you aren't playing anything for about 10 seconds, it will let go of the audio hardware |
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| 20:09.10 | simonlnu | *nods* |
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| 20:10.09 | DelphiWorld | Hello debianificators |
| 20:10.36 | nsadmin | kevlarman, this is pa that does the letting go? |
| 20:10.42 | kevlarman | nsadmin: yup |
| 20:10.45 | simonlnu | thanks for the info |
| 20:10.54 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin! |
| 20:10.57 | kevlarman | nsadmin: the alsa driver at least |
| 20:11.04 | DelphiWorld | my interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/178357/ |
| 20:11.06 | kevlarman | nsadmin: the oss driver appears to behave differently |
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| 20:11.11 | DelphiWorld | i'm getting dhcp addr in eth1 |
| 20:11.17 | DelphiWorld | but i'm bonding it with eth0 |
| 20:11.22 | DelphiWorld | so eth0+eth1=bond0 |
| 20:11.41 | DelphiWorld | dhcp should come only on bond0... eth1 is creating me a conflict. any address? |
| 20:11.42 | nsadmin | is there only one "slot" available on the alsa driver? |
| 20:12.02 | nsadmin | (so if pa lets go of that, then something else can take it?) |
| 20:12.08 | kevlarman | nsadmin: yup |
| 20:12.13 | kevlarman | nsadmin: pulse wants O_EXCL |
| 20:12.29 | nsadmin | it might as well keep it :) |
| 20:12.49 | kevlarman | nsadmin: there's actually some good reasons for letting go |
| 20:13.01 | kevlarman | nsadmin: in some use cases it avoids resampling |
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| 20:13.10 | simonlnu | that exclusive explains that, then |
| 20:13.25 | nsadmin | wouldn't it be a problem (and confusing debug session) to have something else grab? |
| 20:13.42 | kevlarman | nsadmin: yup |
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| 20:13.58 | nsadmin | at least, it would be confusing if it doesn't somehow notify the user... |
| 20:13.59 | simonlnu | of course, and damned annoying to listen to ;p |
| 20:14.39 | kevlarman | nsadmin: pulse usually ships with an asound.conf that makes the default device output to pulse |
| 20:14.57 | kevlarman | nsadmin: it's usually difficult to get to the real hardware without knowing what you're doing |
| 20:15.06 | kevlarman | you have to open hw:0 explicitly |
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| 20:15.27 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: could you CHECK it ? ;) |
| 20:15.31 | nsadmin | you mean as opposed to plughw:0? |
| 20:15.41 | kevlarman | nsadmin: as opposed to default |
| 20:15.50 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:16.12 | nsadmin | right now I have everything going to jack |
| 20:16.14 | kevlarman | nsadmin: plughw:0 is ok too, though if you have a good excuse to use hw:0 instead of default you should probably be resampling yourself |
| 20:16.22 | kevlarman | so you can control latency |
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| 20:16.43 | nsadmin | I'm not understanding "resampling" |
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| 20:19.16 | isaac_ | in wicd, what would I put for wireless interface? |
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| 20:19.28 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld, I'm not familiar with binding interfaces; 2 weeks ago (or whenever it was) I went as far as I could. your best bet is to find someone who is using bonded interfaces. meanwhile, I recommend that you not use bonded interfaces until you know exactly what needs to happen on the near end AND the far end |
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| 20:21.02 | nsadmin | isaac_, what is the name of your wireless interface? (could be something like wlan0 (or wlanX) or ethX) |
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| 20:21.17 | isaac_ | nsadmin, how do I Find out? |
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| 20:21.39 | isaac_ | Nvm, wlan0 worked :) Thank you nsadmin |
| 20:21.44 | nsadmin | isaac_, first you could see what interfaces exist now |
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| 20:23.07 | nsadmin | isaac_, cool :) btw, if you run ifconfig -a you'll see labels and paragraphs... the labels are the interface names and the listing is all of them that the kernel is aware of |
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| 20:23.53 | isaac_ | Ohh, cool thanks |
| 20:24.27 | nsadmin | also ifconfig is older than dirt... while useful, you should look into how to do it with ip |
| 20:24.48 | kevlarman | nsadmin: the audio hardware has a single buffer at a specific sample rate |
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| 20:24.57 | kevlarman | usually 44.1khz or 48khz |
| 20:25.24 | nsadmin | ok... so that means anything trying to connect needs to set those parameters |
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| 20:25.34 | kevlarman | nsadmin: nope |
| 20:25.42 | kevlarman | nsadmin: it means that there can only be one sample rate |
| 20:25.55 | kevlarman | if you want to play audio recorded at a different sample rate |
| 20:26.13 | MissionControl | what goin' on with the whole steam for linux thing? |
| 20:26.14 | kevlarman | you have to resample it to the one currently in use by the audio hardware |
| 20:26.14 | nsadmin | you'd need some sort of conversion? |
| 20:26.21 | kevlarman | nsadmin: yup |
| 20:26.25 | kevlarman | that's known as resampling |
| 20:26.38 | kevlarman | "plug" is generally the alsa plugin that does it |
| 20:27.15 | nsadmin | so if you want to play an .au you'd have to resample in order to make nice with how the hardware is currently operating (sample rate, num buffers) |
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| 20:27.41 | nsadmin | thanks for that |
| 20:27.42 | simonlnu | MissionControl: ask them. has nothing to do with debian. try asking in ##linux (or #linux) |
| 20:28.04 | nsadmin | what's a whole steam? |
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| 20:28.37 | kevlarman | MissionControl: everyone who knows the details is under NDA |
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| 20:29.08 | kevlarman | MissionControl: you're going to need blob drivers though, mesa doesn't support gl3 yet |
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| 20:29.37 | nsadmin | oh, is it a newfangled video card? |
| 20:30.56 | kevlarman | nsadmin: geforce 8 series or radeonhd 3 series are the minimum that support gl3/dx10 iirc |
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| 20:31.26 | kevlarman | and sandy bridge graphics on the intel end |
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| 20:31.30 | kevlarman | maybe ironlake too |
| 20:31.48 | Gekitsuu | Bad video drivers make Linus give you the finger |
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| 20:32.40 | kevlarman | new plan: get linus addicted to games |
| 20:33.01 | kevlarman | and mesa will start outperforming windows drivers in 3 months :P |
| 20:33.05 | nsadmin | he won't work on kernels if we do that |
| 20:33.14 | kevlarman | or kernel development will come to a halt |
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| 20:33.25 | kevlarman | but that's a risk i'm willing to take |
| 20:33.30 | nsadmin | what[s his present attitude? |
| 20:35.59 | MissionControl | well that's some information |
| 20:36.02 | MissionControl | thx |
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| 20:38.30 | freaky[t] | hi all i have a problem. im currently in a rescue system and i need to install grub on /dev/sda but it keep ssaying: grub-install cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/*.mod': No such file or directory can anyone help me? |
| 20:39.21 | nsadmin | freaky[t], do you have another debian installed on that drive? |
| 20:39.42 | freaky[t] | yes, on that drive theres another debian |
| 20:39.50 | freaky[t] | im on a network bootet rescue sys |
| 20:40.00 | Spec | i wish to run some code if a cron-based apt-get update/upgrade fails. I currently use cron-apt, but it seems it can only send emails, and I can't do actions based on failure. Cron-apt itself eats the exit code of the subprocesses, so I can't even tell if it fails by checking cron-apt's exit code. Are there negatives to just writing my own script to do apt-get update/upgrade, and do error handling accordingly? |
| 20:40.14 | nsadmin | you could try booting that debian and running update-grub; it might find the other debian |
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| 20:40.31 | freaky[t] | oh wait no, i dont have a 3rd linux installation |
| 20:40.32 | nsadmin | if not try installing osprober and try again |
| 20:40.42 | freaky[t] | ok thx ill try |
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| 20:40.47 | nsadmin | 3rd? how many do you have? |
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| 20:43.02 | freaky[t] | does anyone know how i can chroot from a rescue sys into the system on the hdds (with mounted /dev and /boot?) |
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| 20:44.07 | nsadmin | freaky[t], the basic idea being if you already have a grub booting on that drive, it could find the other operating systems and add them to the boot menu |
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| 20:44.20 | freaky[t] | i dont have a second debian |
| 20:44.25 | Diopter | freaky[t]: mkdir /target; mount <root part> /target; mount <boot part> /target/boot; for i in dev sys proc; do mount -o bind /$i /target/$i; done; chroot /target |
| 20:44.47 | Diopter | freaky[t]: Adjust appropriately if you have something other than / and /boot as separate partitions |
| 20:44.56 | freaky[t] | i have one debian and im bootet into the rescue sys loaded from network |
| 20:45.02 | freaky[t] | ok thx Diopter |
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| 20:45.30 | Diopter | freaky[t]: You can also just type them out manually, mount -o bind /dev /target/dev, mount -o bind /proc /target/proc, etc |
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| 20:46.35 | nsadmin | freaky[t], when booting from that drive, does it ever say GRUB? |
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| 20:47.08 | freaky[t] | Diopter what does "<boot part> mean? |
| 20:47.14 | freaky[t] | mount <boot part> /target/boot |
| 20:47.16 | freaky[t] | ah |
| 20:47.25 | freaky[t] | its /dev/sda1 |
| 20:47.28 | freaky[t] | md1 |
| 20:47.34 | nsadmin | which? |
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| 20:48.23 | Diopter | freaky[t]: I meant to replace <boot part> with the path to your boot partition. |
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| 20:49.01 | dreamer | anyone experienced with making a debian armel-fs using multistrap? |
| 20:49.08 | nsadmin | so you have a separate /boot partition that's in an md array? |
| 20:49.09 | dreamer | I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#Configuring_the_rootfs but I have no clue how I could do the configure step |
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| 20:50.10 | freaky[t] | Diopter yea i figured out allready |
| 20:50.20 | freaky[t] | now i have a new error: http://pastie.org/4227857 |
| 20:50.32 | kajo | hi, is it possible to "uninstall" a module? in my laptop sometimes i see syslog messages about bluetooth module ( ?!? o.O ) It loads itself at casual times. The problem is that i *dont* have a bluetooth adapter. So i've used "rmmod bluetooth" , the module was unloaded but if i do "modprobe bluetooth" i can see that it is still available. how can i remove it? |
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| 20:53.06 | kajo | *but if i do "modinfo bluetooth |
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| 20:57.30 | gnarface_ | kajo: -f perhaps? |
| 20:57.46 | gnarface_ | kajo: you can also blacklist modules to keep them from loading in the first place |
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| 20:59.22 | kajo | gnarface_: does blacklist works only during the boot or does it works always ? also, what can it be the trigger that made bluetooth module load ? |
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| 21:00.16 | gnarface_ | kajo: i assumed it always works, but i could be wrong |
| 21:00.18 | kajo | i've already put the string "blacklist bluetooth" in /etc/modprobe/blacklist.conf but it doesnt works. |
| 21:00.23 | gnarface_ | hmm |
| 21:00.24 | gnarface_ | odd |
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| 21:00.55 | atrigent | hey guys, I'm on squeeze 6.0.5, and I'm having a hell of a time trying to install iceweasel from squeeze-backports |
| 21:01.05 | gnarface_ | kajo: you mean /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf right? |
| 21:01.29 | kajo | yes, with ".d" |
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| 21:01.50 | atrigent | it looks like I can get synaptic to install it (via Force Version), but I'd like to do it from the command-line |
| 21:02.23 | freaky[t] | i got it working |
| 21:02.25 | freaky[t] | i now got another question |
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| 21:02.36 | freaky[t] | md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
| 21:02.36 | freaky[t] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.39 | dvs | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:02.40 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-1; sid: 10.0.5esr-2; experimental: 13.0.1-2 |
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| 21:03.07 | dvs | !tell atrigent about mdn |
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| 21:03.41 | Zww | Hi. Small question. Connecting to a port on localhost or connecting to a public configured ip on the same box to the same port, is there a performance difference ? |
| 21:03.44 | Zww | And yes, why ? |
| 21:03.45 | kajo | gnarface_: "rmmod -f " is used to force *unload*. that's not my case. i can unload the module. i'm looking for a way to uninstall it. |
| 21:04.21 | rozie | Zww: how do you connect? what app? |
| 21:04.23 | Diopter | Zww: Given that you have a service binding to 0.0.0.0? |
| 21:04.34 | atrigent | dvs: I have that added to sources.list also |
| 21:04.40 | nsadmin | Zww, there shouldn't be a difference |
| 21:05.02 | dvs | atrigent: so it should be really easy to get the latest version |
| 21:05.13 | atrigent | I can see both the squeeze-backports and mdn versions in apt-cache showpkg, but I can't get either of them installed |
| 21:05.35 | dvs | atrigent: the install instructions for mdn is right on the web page |
| 21:05.36 | nsadmin | kajo, is it part of the kernel package? if so, trying to remove it is strongly discouraged |
| 21:05.37 | atrigent | apt-get -t squeeze-backports doesn't work |
| 21:05.42 | atrigent | dvs: I am following them |
| 21:05.49 | atrigent | it is not working |
| 21:06.04 | dvs | atrigent: What does "apt-cache policy iceweasel" say? |
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| 21:06.24 | gnarface_ | kajo: i've been led to believe you should only need to blacklist stuff... that its not working for you is weird to me |
| 21:06.43 | rozie | some services (mysql) use(d) socket if pointed to localhost |
| 21:06.43 | atrigent | dvs: it shows all of the versions |
| 21:06.48 | nsadmin | atrigent, that doesn't sound like the complete line you used... if it is, that's a syntax error which is similar to saying just "apt-get" |
| 21:06.51 | gnarface_ | kajo: you're sure you're not also loading it manually in /etc/modules right? |
| 21:06.52 | rozie | that may explain the difference |
| 21:07.00 | atrigent | installed and candidate are both the 3.5 version from squeeze |
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| 21:07.23 | atrigent | nsadmin, right, I'm using apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel |
| 21:07.26 | kajo | gnarface_: sure. there's no bluetooth in there. |
| 21:07.35 | dvs | atrigent: you didn't follow the instructions on mozilla.debian.net |
| 21:07.41 | dvs | EXACTLY |
| 21:07.45 | rozie | or, in some cases, many firewall rules may cause slowdown |
| 21:08.07 | atrigent | dvs: that's what it says to do on mozilla.debian.net |
| 21:08.17 | nsadmin | , v iceweasel |
| 21:08.18 | atrigent | and in any case, it doesn't install the one from backports either |
| 21:08.18 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-1; sid: 10.0.5esr-2; experimental: 13.0.1-2 |
| 21:08.22 | dvs | atrigent: look carefully |
| 21:08.34 | kajo | gnarface_, nsadmin: what could be the cause that lead to the loading of that module ? (i've got no bluetooth devices ) is it a kernel/module BUG? |
| 21:09.15 | nsadmin | kajo, if it is loading this module, is its presence causing actual problems? |
| 21:09.20 | atrigent | dvs: what am I supposed to be seeing? |
| 21:09.45 | dvs | atrigent: apt-get _INSTALL_ it squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 21:09.53 | dvs | atrigent: apt-get _INSTALL_ -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 21:09.57 | atrigent | dvs: that doesn't work either |
| 21:10.03 | atrigent | I have also tried that |
| 21:10.06 | gnarface_ | kajo: yes, probably a bug in the module. drivers are supposed to not stay loaded if they don't have hardware to use so it thinks it sees a bluetooth device apparently |
| 21:10.09 | Zww | nsadmin: example: I have an nginx listening to port 80 on all ip's |
| 21:10.15 | dvs | atrigent: as root? |
| 21:10.17 | atrigent | yes |
| 21:10.21 | atrigent | with sudo |
| 21:10.30 | Zww | is it more performant connecting to localhost:80 or to the public ip:80 local ? |
| 21:10.32 | dvs | atrigent: paste the error message you are getting in paste.debian.net |
| 21:10.44 | atrigent | dvs: there's no error, it just says there's nothing to install |
| 21:10.45 | nsadmin | atrigent, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit |
| 21:10.49 | Zww | I'm using stunnel to offload ssl traffic, and then I redirect it local to another port |
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| 21:10.58 | kajo | nsadmin: i dont know. I have a crash each ~24 hours, but i dont think it's the bluetooth module the cause of the crash. |
| 21:11.17 | Zww | and one of my customers says it is more performant to do the redirection to localhost instead of the public ip |
| 21:11.17 | nsadmin | kajo, at what time? |
| 21:11.24 | Zww | put I don't buy that ;) |
| 21:11.38 | atrigent | "iceweasel is already the newest version." |
| 21:11.43 | atrigent | is the "error" |
| 21:12.03 | kajo | hmmm what is the link for the debian pastebin ? |
| 21:12.14 | kajo | dpkg: pastebin |
| 21:12.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 21:12.31 | dvs | !tell kajo about selftell |
| 21:13.27 | kajo | nsadmin: gnarface_ : syslog paste of the module loading ---> http://paste.debian.net/178368/ |
| 21:13.42 | Zww | nsadmin: ? |
| 21:13.42 | alfplayer | atrigent: do you have pinning set up? I think it might cause the problem |
| 21:13.48 | cali | I installed the compat-wireless, and when it tries to unload the modules, such as mac80211 modprobe runs at 99% of the CPU and become unkillable. |
| 21:14.17 | atrigent | alfplayer, oh hmm I might, I didn't configure this box |
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| 21:14.53 | stew | atrigent: please put the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" into a pastebin |
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| 21:15.56 | kajo | it was after almost 4hrs of uptime |
| 21:16.37 | JacobF | I just ran a complete update (was around 2GB) and now Debian boots into a read-only filesystem making it unusable and also unable to be fixed. How can I resolve this; what should I do? I'm on a live cd at the moment so I have access to the harddrive that is read-only. |
| 21:16.54 | atrigent | I'm thinking the pinning is the problem |
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| 21:17.51 | atrigent | now that I actually have an idea, I'll look into it myself (there's some stuff in the things I'm being asked to paste that I probably shouldn't) |
| 21:18.09 | atrigent | thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys |
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| 21:21.50 | sexychick | hiiiii |
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| 21:21.52 | JacobF | I believe I found my answer here http://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot#Find_processes_blocking_the_remount_readonly logging out |
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| 21:23.20 | nsadmin | sexychick, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 21:23.56 | atrigent | just one question: on the default squeeze install, what is the Pin-Priority for release n=squeeze? |
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| 21:25.36 | atrigent | it's set to 1001 here, I think that's probably higher than usual |
| 21:26.08 | stew | atrigent: 500 |
| 21:26.19 | atrigent | stew: ok thanks! |
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| 21:26.39 | stew | atrigent: see "man apt_preferences", > 1000 means "this version, EVEN IF IT IS A DOWNGRADE" |
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| 21:26.53 | atrigent | as I understand it, that would make -t not work, because -t only increases the priority to 990 |
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| 21:27.44 | stew | yes |
| 21:28.05 | dizzylizzy | okay wow, so, okay so then, so then I plugged in my new USB printer right? And then I opened the printer dialog for gnome. And I clicked "print test page". And it instantly printed a flawless test page. What is not to love about this story. |
| 21:28.12 | TheSin | any trigger experts around? I need to know which pkg is calling the trigger, is that possible? |
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| 21:28.40 | nsadmin | dizzylizzy, now -I'm- dizzy |
| 21:29.39 | TheSin | DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE equals the pkg with the trigger but I need to be able to figure out which pkg triggered the trigger, and I can't seem to find a way at all |
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| 21:30.52 | nsadmin | I get this message periodically, what does it mean? "Cannot lock down 82246176 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)" |
| 21:30.56 | atrigent | finally! |
| 21:30.58 | atrigent | ok it works now |
| 21:30.59 | atrigent | thanks guys |
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| 21:32.22 | nsadmin | in this case the message "Cannot lock down 82246176 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)" is coming from audacious |
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| 21:33.42 | zww | Hi there. If I run an stunnel and use redirection, is it more performant to do this over localhost:80 or the ip:80 configured on an interface |
| 21:33.47 | zww | or is there no real difference ? |
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| 21:34.47 | nkuttler | nsadmin: sounds like you're out of ram? |
| 21:34.50 | gnarface | zww: i would imagine the difference to be negligible on modern hardware, but fyi localhost is not backed by a physical device so if you're looking to avoid bottlenecks, yes use localhost |
| 21:35.13 | gnarface | zww: you're far more likely to run into unrelated bottlenecks though |
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| 21:35.19 | toni_ | Hi! |
| 21:35.34 | gnarface | hi toni_ |
| 21:35.55 | toni_ | I have a problem after a power outage: mdadm claims that my disks are not part of an array. |
| 21:36.29 | nsadmin | nkuttler, (sec) |
| 21:37.04 | nsadmin | http://paste.debian.net/178371/ |
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| 21:37.42 | toni_ | any idea about how to rescue the metadata? |
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| 21:38.32 | gnarface | toni_: sorry gotta run, should be a standard procedure for that though, yes |
| 21:38.39 | kevlarman | nsadmin: what is audacious doing grabbing 82mb of contiguous RAM? |
| 21:39.20 | toni_ | ? |
| 21:39.33 | gnarface | kevlarman: opening a 82MB mp3 file? |
| 21:39.34 | toni_ | gnarface: i don't see this "standard procedure", unfortunately |
| 21:40.06 | kevlarman | gnarface: that's on the order of 2 hours long |
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| 21:40.14 | nsadmin | kevlarman, good question... the audio only is -rw-r--r-- 1 moo moo 3671352 Jun 14 15:10 14-cyc-2bar-per-ch.mp3 |
| 21:40.41 | nkuttler | nsadmin: audacious will convert that to wav or something lossless |
| 21:40.46 | Diopter | nsadmin: It might be that audacious is trying to run as a realtime process |
| 21:40.49 | toni_ | still asking dr. google |
| 21:40.57 | Diopter | nsadmin: And there are hard limits on the memory realtime processes can allocate |
| 21:41.08 | nkuttler | oh wait, i was thinking of audacity i think |
| 21:41.21 | nsadmin | yeah, this is the other auda :) |
| 21:42.23 | nsadmin | Diopter, how can I tell if I'm presently operating in realtime? |
| 21:42.33 | nsadmin | maybe jack is? |
| 21:42.35 | Diopter | nsadmin: Well the process priority would let you know, for one thing |
| 21:42.38 | Diopter | jack very often is |
| 21:42.42 | toni_ | fdisk -l says "partition type: linux raid autodetect", and mdadm -Q says: 'not part of an array' |
| 21:42.44 | Diopter | It tries to by default on most systems |
| 21:43.52 | nsadmin | Diopter, I'm moreorless aware of that... mostly, it's required specific set up (and specific kernels) to do that, and I have the 3.2 squeeze bp |
| 21:44.58 | nsadmin | I didn't do anything special this time to activate realtime |
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| 21:45.19 | nsadmin | let's see if the qjackctl says it's configured to |
| 21:45.43 | nsadmin | Realtime mode: no |
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| 21:46.40 | Diopter | nsadmin: Just that when I've seen that "cannot lockdown #### byte memory area" message the solution was raising the memory limit for RT |
| 21:46.46 | Diopter | Might be other causes |
| 21:48.24 | Diopter | nsadmin: Specifically adding something like "@audio - memlock 1000000" to /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 21:48.49 | JacobF | well that didn't work |
| 21:49.10 | Diopter | nsadmin: That'd let them lock down 1G (memlock is in KB) |
| 21:49.50 | Diopter | nsadmin: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Realtime_process_management#.2Fetc.2Fsecurity.2Flimits.conf <- useful reference |
| 21:50.04 | JacobF | Hello. If you didn't get my previous message, I'm stuck in a read-only filesystem stopping debian from booting after an upgrade to 2gb of packages...where should I look to resolve it? |
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| 21:51.21 | jparkton | JacobF Does it give you any specific errors on boot? |
| 21:51.39 | Pontus_ | I got a problem with my preferences file (from apt) |
| 21:51.42 | JacobF | just loads of can't do this can't do that whizzing by |
| 21:51.51 | Pontus_ | it seems to be not working |
| 21:51.55 | jordanm | JacobF: 2GB? was it lenny -> squeeze? |
| 21:51.58 | nsadmin | Diopter, I may need to allocate sufficient space for a max of 2 hour mp3s... having said that, I have a 5 hour mp3 I made from a gig/jam session I want to split up |
| 21:52.17 | JacobF | I'm running on sid and haven't done a full updated for a month or two |
| 21:52.22 | Diopter | nsadmin: So try adding a memlock for a few hundred MB. |
| 21:52.27 | Pontus_ | I set : |
| 21:52.28 | Pontus_ | Package: * |
| 21:52.28 | Pontus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.28 | Pontus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.30 | jordanm | !sid |
| 21:52.30 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 21:52.54 | Pontus_ | so, I set |
| 21:53.03 | Pontus_ | Package: * |
| 21:53.08 | JacobF | I can't even mkdir or do things with aptitude |
| 21:53.08 | Pontus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.12 | Pontus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.21 | jordanm | Pontus_: use a pastebin, don't bypass the flood control |
| 21:54.14 | nsadmin | Diopter, I will and I'll get back to you... I;m going to read that thing you linked as well |
| 21:54.20 | Pontus_ | and the result of a apt-cache policy is : 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/contrib i386 Packages release v=6.0.5,o=Debian,a=stable,n=squeeze,l=Debian,c=contrib origin ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 21:54.33 | jordanm | JacobF: boot an older kernel, if that doesn't work, fix it from a livecd chroot |
| 21:55.08 | JacobF | jordanm: older kernel didn't work and I am able to get to a command prompt |
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| 21:55.23 | jordanm | JacobF: a busybox shell isn't going to be a whole lot of help here |
| 21:55.31 | JacobF | also a live cd |
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| 21:58.03 | nsadmin | meanwhile I have an appt |
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| 21:58.42 | mrhanky | back |
| 21:59.07 | toni_ | For a reason that I don't understand, running "mdadm -Evvvvs" two times brought all arrays back. It does say, however "No md superblock detected on ...", for some of those devices. |
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| 21:59.29 | gele | hello. |
| 21:59.48 | toni_ | hello |
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| 22:00.30 | gele | are there any cheap recent netbooks that are known to work well with debian? i was looking at ones based on intel n2600, but then i read that they haven't released any linux drivers for the integrated graphics (gma 3600). |
| 22:00.46 | gele | which is a bit crap. |
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| 22:04.35 | nkuttler | gele: i'm quite happy with my x121 when fglrx isn't broken |
| 22:04.41 | sx10 | Is it possible that GRUB 2.00 is going to be uploaded even during the wheezy freeze? |
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| 22:04.59 | gele | nkuttler: how often is it broken? |
| 22:05.49 | sney | it's broken every time the xorg abi changes and ati takes their sweet time catching up |
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| 22:07.06 | kevlarman | sney: depends on the time of the year |
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| 22:07.12 | nkuttler | gele: fwiw, it's very usable with the free driver |
| 22:07.20 | nkuttler | gele: and i run testing |
| 22:07.22 | kevlarman | sney: they just don't bother to fix it until ubuntu releases a version with that xserver |
| 22:07.23 | gele | so radeon graphics will presumable work better than intel's powervr stuff? |
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| 22:07.45 | gele | presumably |
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| 22:12.15 | toni_ | My bad. Looked the wrong way. |
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| 22:27.46 | Artel | I'm trying to dual boot ubuntu with another OS. In my grub2 40_custom, I have this: http://pastebin.com/cD9KCT8x. And it is saying: vmlinuz-3.2.0-23-generic not found |
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| 22:28.08 | Diopter | !ubuntu |
| 22:28.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 22:28.21 | Artel | I've been doing this for at least an hour. I don't know why it's so difficult or why I can't find any instructions on google |
| 22:29.16 | boudiccas | Artel: we only support debian, please ask for support for yourself in #ubuntu |
| 22:29.32 | Artel | I did. They're literally talking about testicles in there |
| 22:29.38 | sney | !they don't know |
| 22:29.39 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 22:29.51 | boudiccas | Artel: well we cant and wont help you |
| 22:29.59 | Artel | okay :( |
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| 22:30.09 | Artel | I tried to install debian last night. netinst cd doesn't support my hardware |
| 22:30.26 | Artel | but i'll wait for all the trolls in that channel to leave before asking my question there again |
| 22:30.27 | Diopter | Artel: You could grab the testing version of the netinst image |
| 22:30.28 | sney | what hardware |
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| 22:30.53 | Artel | p55m-ud2 motherboard |
| 22:31.09 | sney | do you know what in particular is unsupported? |
| 22:31.18 | Artel | No, it's just hanging at random parts of the install |
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| 22:31.46 | nkuttler | Artel: random parts? |
| 22:32.11 | sney | there are 3 other install options for you - testing, which installs the pre-release next version of debian; kmuto, which includes a bunch of extra drivers for stable; and the firmware image, which is the regular stable installer but includes non-free firmware for supporting a lot of different wireless network controllers |
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| 22:32.35 | Diopter | sney: And some wired controllers, and a few other random bits of things. |
| 22:32.41 | sney | aye |
| 22:32.43 | nkuttler | Artel: i'd avoid the testing installer, but the two others are worth a try |
| 22:32.47 | sney | though it's mostly because of wifi |
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| 22:32.54 | Diopter | nods |
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| 22:35.26 | travisgriggs | i have some sort of arm single-board-computer, i'm trying to build a binary package for it, but i don't know what exactly to put in the control file for the Architecture: field. is there some sort of command i can issue to the sbc, to get it to tell me what it's debian-aware architecture is? |
| 22:37.13 | mongo | which arm board |
| 22:37.16 | mongo | err cpu |
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| 22:38.11 | Artel | So kmuto sounds like the best version for me right now |
| 22:38.13 | mongo | uname -a will show something but it will most likely just say "arm" |
| 22:38.25 | mongo | cat /proc/cpuinfo may help |
| 22:38.53 | travisgriggs | mongo: cat /proc/cpuinfo has "FA526id(wb) rev 1 (v4l)" in it. it's a cavmium thing, put out by Technologic Systems |
| 22:39.25 | travisgriggs | yeah, uname -a just shows 'armv4l' |
| 22:39.43 | travisgriggs | is armv4l likely enough? |
| 22:39.50 | travisgriggs | (for the control file) |
| 22:40.50 | toni_ | I now have an array, that has an invalid component that I can't see how to remove. Consequently, I cannot add another component to that array. The array itself is "inactive". How can I remove that array without reboot, please? |
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| 22:48.12 | innociv | I'm getting "failed" trying to start mysql. Why is there no error? |
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| 22:50.07 | innociv | error logs are empty.. |
| 22:50.26 | jordanm | innociv: /var/log/dameon.log |
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| 22:51.24 | toni_ | I would like to work with /dev/md2, but mdadm claims that this device does not have an md superblock: http://pastie.org/4228448. |
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| 22:51.51 | innociv | http://pastebin.com/U1xqsqXZ |
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| 22:52.23 | mrj | I'm trying to boot a debian based distro (clonezilla) but getting modprobe: lvm2 not found in modules.deb. Is this indicative that the kernel used is old and not supporting lvm2? |
| 22:52.39 | nkuttler | !tell mrj about based on debian |
| 22:52.43 | innociv | I don't get the error |
| 22:53.02 | mrj | that's a modprobe error and not distro specific in the least |
| 22:53.04 | jordanm | innociv: remove skip-bdb from /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 22:53.05 | toni_ | innociv: there is a clear error message. |
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| 22:53.28 | abrotman | mrj: so ask a non-specific distro channel, this isn't it |
| 22:53.48 | mrj | why would i ask a non-specific distro channel about the contents of module.deb? |
| 22:53.54 | innociv | Oh god my conf is really messed up, yeah |
| 22:54.05 | abrotman | mrj: it's not a Debian package |
| 22:54.17 | abrotman | mrj: we support Debian here, not based-on-debian |
| 22:54.35 | mrj | i didn't know that wasn't a core debian module, alright |
| 22:54.45 | abrotman | we don't know .. it's not Debian |
| 22:55.27 | innociv | "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 22:55.27 | innociv | " I was using an old my.cnf. Maybe I should restore the package maintainers.. |
| 22:55.29 | abrotman | there is a very small #clonezilla, and ##linux |
| 22:55.29 | mrj | so your installation of debian does not have a modules.deb that has lvm hooks? |
| 22:56.09 | abrotman | mrj: seriously, we don't support based-on-debian here, it's offtopic, and if you persist, you can be banned |
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| 22:56.30 | mrj | typical absolutely useless #distro channel |
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| 23:00.14 | divbell | bai |
| 23:00.21 | dvs | get a useful distro |
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| 23:02.05 | travisgriggs | i'm trying to use tempfile.mkdtemp() and shutil.copytree() together and not having such good results. i have a directory A that i want to make a tmp copy of. so i make the tmpdir, and then try to copytree(a, tempdir), but copytree() seems to think that tmpdir ought to be a nonexistent fileā¦ any suggestions for how to work around? |
| 23:02.30 | josvuk | Where to find debian packages .deb ? |
| 23:02.47 | abrotman | josvuk: packages.debian.org |
| 23:02.49 | divbell | josvuk, packages.debian.org? |
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| 23:05.00 | josvuk | ah, is there anywhere an ftp server |
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| 23:05.43 | abrotman | josvuk: lots, debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 23:07.29 | Speedstick | does debian support apt-get by default |
| 23:08.00 | jordanm | yes |
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| 23:08.23 | Speedstick | ok thanks |
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| 23:08.29 | abrotman | ... |
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| 23:08.44 | tetreb | Hi, I am on testing and I installed nvidia-kernel-dkms. Now it won't load my desktop anymore. Xorg.log says 'no screens found', but it does seem to load the module. |
| 23:09.15 | jordanm | tetreb: install and run nvidia-xconfig, then try to start X |
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| 23:12.12 | tetreb | jordanm: Thanks, I forgot that package. It loaded now. |
| 23:14.24 | josvuk | is it posibble to check out a package with dpkg --info pack-name.deb whithout to have to download it? |
| 23:14.46 | jordanm | josvuk: only if its in apt, then you can apt-cache show <package> |
| 23:14.52 | kajo | hi, is this a normal thing? --> http://paste.debian.net/178385/ over 20k processes in only one hour ? |
| 23:15.24 | jordanm | kajo: check /etc/crontab, sounds like you have cron.hourly running every second |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | kajo: depends what the system does |
| 23:16.04 | jordanm | kajo: oh, wait, what does your pastebin have to do with 20k procs? that output it an hour a part and normal |
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| 23:16.57 | abrotman | he's wondering how 20k PIDs elapsed |
| 23:16.58 | pparadis | kajo: do you have something that is starting up a ton of processes, perhaps something that's forking but the children never terminate? |
| 23:17.36 | kajo | abrotman: not much, 1 browser, 1 irc client, 1 vnc client and some terminals |
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| 23:18.07 | jordanm | don't LWPs (threads) get a unique PID? |
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| 23:18.30 | kajo | jordanm: seems ok to me, crontab has cron.hourly running each hour at 17th minute. |
| 23:18.42 | peterrooney | kajo: all it takes is one find command with an -exec option |
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| 23:19.30 | jordanm | I imagine chrome is heavily threaded since it sandboxes tabs and plugins |
| 23:19.37 | kajo | jordanm: yes, in fact it's *only* an hour apart. is it possible that my pc runs over 20k processes in *only* 1 hour , while the pc is almost idle ?? |
| 23:19.53 | jordanm | kajo: yes |
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| 23:20.35 | jordanm | kajo: it looks like an LWP does get a unique PID, so each time a proccess spawns a new thread, that's another PID |
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| 23:22.09 | pparadis | jordanm: a thread will have a thread ID, but will have the PID of its parent process. |
| 23:22.10 | kajo | pparadis: a strange thing: according to htop i have more than 40 processes like this: "console-kit-daemon --no-daemon" . but if i use "ps" i can only see one of them and if i take a PID of the one i see via htop and i do: "ps PID" i dont cant see it .. o.O |
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| 23:23.11 | kajo | jordanm: i dont use chrome , i use firefox + tor |
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| 23:24.28 | Diopter | kajo: That's probably because you're not listing threads. |
| 23:24.29 | kajo | also if i do: "lsof -p that_pid", i get no results o.O |
| 23:24.36 | Diopter | kajo: htop shows threads by default |
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| 23:25.48 | kajo | Diopter: ok, but in htop i can see theyr PIDs and they are differents . if i take a PID from there and i use "ps that_pid" or "lsof -p that_pid" i see nothing |
| 23:25.58 | kajo | *their |
| 23:26.13 | Diopter | kajo: Have you tried something like "ps -eL $pid"? |
| 23:26.44 | kajo | woha |
| 23:26.48 | pparadis | indeed: ps -eL | grep console-kit |
| 23:27.01 | kajo | (but without the pid number) |
| 23:27.38 | kajo | thanks |
| 23:27.40 | pparadis | kajo: in that output, you'll note that the first column is the PID of the process, and the second column is thread IDs. |
| 23:28.44 | josvuk | searching around the ftp I found a gnuradio packege which is more up to date as the packege in my distribution (ubuntu lucid ppc) |
| 23:29.04 | josvuk | so can I download it and install it does this works? |
| 23:29.06 | pparadis | josvuk: please do not mix distros or releases. |
| 23:29.15 | pparadis | josvuk: you will wind up breaking your system. |
| 23:29.16 | kajo | pparadis: strange, on htop they have different PIDs. on "ps -eL" they share the same PID |
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| 23:29.58 | kajo | what happens if i do "killall console-kit-daemon" ? will i crash something? |
| 23:30.47 | pparadis | kajo: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/consolekit |
| 23:32.18 | kajo | ah, ok. so each time i open a terminal or something else , a new consolekit process will born, right ? |
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| 23:37.16 | kajo | so it's an htop bug. I mean: htop shows the PIDs but, according to the output of ps -eLf , those PIDs dont exists at all. ps -eLf show all consolekits with the same PID |
| 23:38.11 | kajo | (ps vs htop ... ho will survive :D ) |
| 23:38.31 | kajo | *who ? |
| 23:38.59 | pparadis | kajo: i was wrong earlier. those aren't threads, they're child processes. |
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| 23:39.49 | pparadis | kajo: try this --> pstree -cp |
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| 23:40.51 | kajo | pparadis: ok, but ps show them all with the same PID. so htop tell they're child processes, but ps show them as (?) threads -all with the same PID- o.O |
| 23:41.29 | pparadis | kajo: in the output you're looking at, ps is only showing the parent PID. they're still child processes. |
| 23:41.31 | kajo | pparadis: yes, pstree think it like htop: process, with different PIDs. |
| 23:42.19 | kajo | pparadis: but if they've got a PID why can't i use "lsof -p $pid" ? |
| 23:42.43 | kajo | i can only use lsof with the parent pid |
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| 23:43.06 | pparadis | kajo: because only the parent process is holding open a file descriptor? |
| 23:45.15 | pparadis | kajo: when a process forks off a child, the child process will be an identical copy of the parent (complete with file descriptors, etc). however, nothing stops the child from closing things it doesn't need. |
| 23:45.22 | kajo | oh , i 've just find out: /proc/parent_pid/task/ contains dirs for all the subprocesses |
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| 23:46.42 | kajo | interesting. thanks for the infos! :) |
| 23:49.19 | kajo | skodde: /qui |
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| 23:55.54 | tetreb | I have ugly bitmap fonts in Iceweasel. The same font looks perfect in urxvt though. Can I do something about it, I am not sure if it is an Iceweasel problem, or my Debian config. |
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| 23:59.01 | tetreb | I guess disabling bitmap fonts as suggested by some would be too much, because urxvt wouldn't have it either anymore? |
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| 23:59.41 | simonlnu | change your font in iceweasel? |
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