| 00:02.24 | ChibaPet | Hey, newbie question. Can someone point me to a decent policykit reference that will help me decide where inside /etc/polkit-1 is best for some policy config to live? |
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| 00:08.19 | travisgriggs | is there a way to see what packages depend on a target package (apt-cache depends <target> shows the opposite of that i think)( |
| 00:08.32 | Diopter | travisgriggs: rdepends |
| 00:09.51 | The_Eccentric | anytime I try to install anything I get this error http://dpaste.com/770056/ |
| 00:09.59 | The_Eccentric | using wheezy btw |
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| 00:10.20 | Diopter | The_Eccentric: Try apt-get -f install, then try again |
| 00:10.34 | The_Eccentric | Diopter: already did |
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| 00:10.58 | Diopter | The_Eccentric: apt-get update, retry? |
| 00:11.03 | The_Eccentric | same thing |
| 00:11.07 | The_Eccentric | same error |
| 00:11.18 | fantas | having trouble re-imaging a new piece of hardware. can't boot into the logical position #6. _attempted_ to use the "unetbootin" installer to load sid over my usb flash drive. |
| 00:11.29 | fantas | shakes head |
| 00:12.07 | The_Eccentric | Diopter: is there anyway I can wipe everything but just keep base packages and start over with out reinstall from disk? |
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| 00:13.17 | sneex | >< |
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| 00:14.04 | SmashingX|2 | hey guys, I installed debian on my toshiba satelite p500 but Im not able to see the wireless connections, any ideias? |
| 00:14.07 | SmashingX|2 | ideas |
| 00:14.15 | Diopter | The_Eccentric: Yes, in theory. Easily? Probably not |
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| 00:15.08 | sneex | The_Eccentric: remove package groups; only way -- still prolly bad idea |
| 00:15.23 | ChibaPet | SmashingX: What wireless chipset is included? |
| 00:15.41 | SmashingX | I don't know |
| 00:15.45 | kevlarman | The_Eccentric: why are you trying to do that? |
| 00:15.48 | SmashingX | how can I find out? |
| 00:15.52 | sneex | dmesg? |
| 00:15.58 | ChibaPet | Maybe lspci could help. |
| 00:16.24 | The_Eccentric | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.28 | The_Eccentric | http://dpaste.com/770056/ |
| 00:17.31 | ChibaPet | SmashingX: Look for a "Network controller" line in the lspci output, perhaps. |
| 00:17.58 | SmashingX | ChibaPet: I think it says Realtek semiconductor co., ltd, RT8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller |
| 00:18.02 | SmashingX | is that one? |
| 00:18.09 | ChibaPet | Looks like it. |
| 00:18.17 | ChibaPet | Let me see if I can find what you need for that. |
| 00:18.28 | SmashingX | thanks man I appreciate it :) |
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| 00:19.16 | sneex | SmashingX: did you "enable" the wireless button? Mine has a button I gotta push |
| 00:19.20 | aguitel | SmashingX, this wiki solve your problem:http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 00:19.24 | ChibaPet | SmashingX: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 00:19.34 | SmashingX | ok cool thanks guys |
| 00:19.40 | ChibaPet | Enjoy. |
| 00:20.29 | The_Eccentric | When I try to install from usb wheezy it just sits and hangs on dectacting network hard ware is there a way to overide that? |
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| 00:22.13 | abrotman | The_Eccentric: is your wired network cable plugged in ? |
| 00:22.38 | The_Eccentric | yes |
| 00:22.48 | The_Eccentric | and its not leasing an ip or nothing |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | unplug it |
| 00:22.58 | The_Eccentric | k |
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| 00:28.35 | gez | Hi again. |
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| 00:29.09 | gez | I found more information about the problem I had today with the upgrade of nVidia non-free drivers. |
| 00:29.12 | gez | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.argyllcms/10178 |
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| 00:30.09 | gez | That version of the driver makes color management unusable in testing. |
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| 00:30.33 | gez | What's the procedure to revert to the old version in Testing? |
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| 00:44.26 | bz | dmes|les |
| 00:45.36 | sacredchao | My thinkpad is crashing now every 20-40 minutes after working 100% fine |
| 00:45.59 | sacredchao | I get sda errors on the console, then my running programs start freezing, I can't run new ones |
| 00:46.12 | sacredchao | for example, even 'dmesg' returns Input/Output Error, then I have to hard power off |
| 00:46.21 | Diopter | Is there an easier way to add a custom .udeb to the initrd.gz than rebuilding the debian-installer? |
| 00:46.39 | sacredchao | When I boot up, it boots lightning fast, loads all applications with no errors, and I can work like nothing is wrong for another 20-40 minutes |
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| 00:46.54 | sacredchao | I have a 512GB Corsair SSD that is almost full |
| 00:48.15 | aBound | Dang, what's loaded on that huge SSD? |
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| 00:55.51 | travisgriggs | trimming down a debian install, what would i need avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns for? |
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| 00:55.52 | sneex | dns stuff |
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| 00:55.56 | ChibaPet | Anywaym this nice Ubuntu user's page had an answer that works with Wheezy: http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2012/05/howto-give-network-manager-sufficient.html |
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| 00:57.33 | sacredchao | aBound: You've never filled up a 512GB disk? |
| 00:57.35 | sacredchao | heh |
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| 00:57.52 | mrdeb | hi |
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| 01:02.21 | ascii_ | hello |
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| 01:03.40 | Diopter | Is there an easier way to add a custom .udeb to the initrd.gz than rebuilding the debian-installer? |
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| 01:05.55 | abrotman | Diopter: don't make it a udeb? :) |
| 01:06.04 | Diopter | abrotman: Need it to be :) |
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| 01:06.38 | Diopter | abrotman: I've tried udpkg --unpack in a chroot into the initrd, tried udpkg -i in preseed/early_command... |
| 01:06.46 | Diopter | Can't anna-install because it's not in the package pool |
| 01:07.27 | nsadmin | I thought the purpose of a udeb was to have a way to package that didn't have the constraints of policy |
| 01:07.30 | GreenET | Say, where's a secure directory in which to put the socket for the urxvtd terminal's daemon? |
| 01:07.31 | ascii_ | can squeeze run on 64 bit pentium III ? |
| 01:07.36 | ascii_ | anyone |
| 01:07.42 | dvs | is there such a thing? |
| 01:07.45 | ascii_ | sorry |
| 01:07.51 | ascii_ | I meant 64 MB |
| 01:07.52 | ascii_ | RAM |
| 01:08.05 | Diopter | nsadmin: I wouldn't call that the purpose, per se. They're primarily used in the debian-installer. |
| 01:08.24 | nsadmin | ascii_, that's kinda pushing it, can you try and see? |
| 01:08.27 | ascii_ | hello nsadmin! glad to see you on |
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| 01:08.34 | dvs | ascii_: I wouldn't use any desktop environment on it. |
| 01:08.36 | nsadmin | hi, thanks |
| 01:09.00 | nsadmin | you also; everything doin good? |
| 01:09.36 | ascii_ | nsadmin: I cleanup data center today I have about 12 old PIII that I could use for web services, I don't need X (totally out of the question with this RAM). do you know if it even installs? should I just stick with lenny? |
| 01:09.38 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: there was a day when software ran on that kind of hardware. If you try a desktop, begin with lxde or xfce. |
| 01:10.10 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: In this economy, one has to make use of everything..... |
| 01:10.11 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: computer equipment gets so good, so fast, you may be paying more in electricity that you don't want to use that old of computers. |
| 01:10.16 | nsadmin | Diopter, it seems you're using it for that purpose |
| 01:10.22 | dvs | ascii_: Why not upgrade one to squeeze and see? |
| 01:10.35 | ManoftheSea | Yeah, the install should work fine. |
| 01:10.36 | peterrooney | ascii_: for the same power consumption, one modern machine running VMs will dust them all. |
| 01:11.05 | nsadmin | ascii_, that would be i386 userland, which kernel is that? |
| 01:11.06 | ascii_ | they all have slackware 4 and solaris , ancient versions.... this will be a complete reinstall. I guess I'll use one as lab rat and see |
| 01:11.17 | Diopter | nsadmin: No, I need to build a custom installation disc for a product my company is working on, that asks questions and makes decisions based on the answers. |
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| 01:11.26 | nsadmin | which kernel arch should be used for p3? |
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| 01:11.34 | Diopter | nsadmin: So I'm building a udeb, and was hoping to avoid having to rebuild the debian-installer in order to use it. |
| 01:11.54 | ascii_ | peterrooney and ManoftheSea: good point on energy..... a PIII can only be so green.... :p |
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| 01:11.58 | nsadmin | Diopter, would you want to get into debconf for that? |
| 01:12.09 | Diopter | nsadmin: Yes. And already am. |
| 01:12.19 | Diopter | udeb's are pretty limited, just postinst's |
| 01:12.44 | nsadmin | so no preinst, postrm, prerm? |
| 01:13.01 | ascii_ | hey, I have an ideia, can I cluster this 12 machines being i386 using debian ?? |
| 01:13.16 | dvs | oooh a supercomputer! |
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| 01:13.23 | ascii_ | would be great to get their power combined |
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| 01:13.57 | Diopter | nsadmin: Correct |
| 01:14.23 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: netburst! |
| 01:14.23 | Diopter | nsadmin: You basically setup a menu item with a special type of template entry, and add some tweaks to the control to specify it's a udeb and the menu priority |
| 01:14.42 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: imagine a beowulf cluster of those. |
| 01:14.43 | Diopter | nsadmin: But I'm having trouble getting it installed as a one-off from the preseeding mechanism. |
| 01:14.44 | nsadmin | ascii_, you'll have a good time getting that to work :) |
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| 01:15.00 | ascii_ | thanks for the info |
| 01:15.15 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: remember that you will be unable to get replacement parts for those computers, as well. |
| 01:16.03 | ascii_ | nsadmin: remember that I need / wanted to install openvz kernel on a production server? I backed everything up and then install. backup took me 4 hours, openvz install took me 5 minutes... smooth as ever. almost 0 side-effects |
| 01:16.09 | nsadmin | Diopter, tb continued... gotta do a small laundry load |
| 01:16.37 | ascii_ | so I can recommend it. works very well on squeeze |
| 01:17.02 | nsadmin | ascii_, that's great. are you glad you backed up? |
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| 01:17.19 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: I can get parts, they're just expensive :) |
| 01:17.42 | ascii_ | nsadmin: I'm glad because there was little stress envolved. but ended up not being needed. |
| 01:18.03 | ascii_ | only the libxml2.so.2 symlink bug |
| 01:18.14 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: well, how expensive until you should just buy a new machine? |
| 01:18.50 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: I just recycle this 12 fine quality machines? |
| 01:18.53 | ManoftheSea | maybe I came in late: What's the purpose of the systems? |
| 01:18.58 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: hard to do.... |
| 01:19.13 | nsadmin | ascii_, I;d guess the boxes would run better if you at least doubled the ram... anyway, downstairs... |
| 01:19.25 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: bulk mail marketing for half of them |
| 01:19.53 | ManoftheSea | how does that distinguish from spamming/ |
| 01:20.33 | ascii_ | the last dedicated I got was even more expensive that the last two.... Bare Metals and IP ranges are getting crazy expensive in Europe. |
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| 01:21.04 | ManoftheSea | ascii_: IP ranges? Can you not use IPv6? |
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| 01:21.13 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: and the other half will do storage.. (if they can run the OS nicelly ofcourse) |
| 01:21.26 | ManoftheSea | On a PATA bus? |
| 01:22.06 | ascii_ | ManoftheSea: I have already several behind NAT because they serve apps on specific ports. can I do IPv6 ? |
| 01:22.12 | ascii_ | never though about it |
| 01:22.16 | ManoftheSea | Depends on your ISP. |
| 01:22.18 | ascii_ | or know much about it |
| 01:22.36 | ManoftheSea | if you're making connections out (mailing?) you shouldn't have a problem. |
| 01:22.37 | ascii_ | I started reading on IPv6 once, but then I fell asleep |
| 01:22.46 | ManoftheSea | If you need people to connect in, they may not be able. |
| 01:22.53 | Dagger2 | ascii_: you could put them behind NAT64 instead |
| 01:23.04 | ascii_ | so outgoing is good for IPv6 ? |
| 01:23.11 | Dagger2 | that way you'd still have to deal with NAT, but only for clients without IPv6 |
| 01:23.12 | ascii_ | they would be SMTP only yes |
| 01:23.17 | ascii_ | outgoing |
| 01:23.35 | Dagger2 | which makes your life easier for managing them, because you can just connect directly to the machines |
| 01:23.57 | ascii_ | can't I just translate every incoming thing to IPv4 on the switch level? I read that somewhere |
| 01:24.08 | ManoftheSea | that's the NAT64 |
| 01:24.14 | ascii_ | ah |
| 01:24.18 | ManoftheSea | but not at the switch... |
| 01:24.19 | ascii_ | interesting |
| 01:24.23 | ManoftheSea | At the router, I believe. |
| 01:24.39 | ascii_ | makes sense since it's nat afterall |
| 01:24.54 | Dagger2 | well, you'd do IPv6 on the private side and use NAT64 to translate v4 requests to v6 |
| 01:25.12 | ManoftheSea | Without knowing your budget, I'd suggest that a modern, low-end processor system will do better for storage than 6 PIII class machines. |
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| 01:27.35 | ManoftheSea | And will be more serviceable. |
| 01:27.37 | Diopter | abrotman: Got the debian-installer building me an initrd.gz I can pull into my custom.iso automatically now, at least. Which is just about done kicking... so I suppose I don't need to know of an easier way for now :P |
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| 01:29.20 | sneex | bhvg cfbn |
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| 01:31.51 | sneex | grrrr stupid keyb |
| 01:32.06 | dvs | sneex: sfdii sd isd[pbiorirtk fkd ? |
| 01:32.13 | sneex | lol |
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| 01:32.50 | abrotman | Diopter: really not sure there is one .. |
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| 01:34.13 | drounse | how do i update debian stable to testing or unstable |
| 01:34.31 | ascii_ | well, if anyone is interested..... looks like squeeze is squeezing is way into the 64 MB ram test server very very slowly..... |
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| 01:34.39 | dvs | !tell drounse about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 01:34.51 | gnarface | dpkg, tell drounse about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 01:37.26 | drounse | dvs, gnarface, like this? http://pastie.org/4247197 |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | yes, though they may not all work yet |
| 01:38.15 | stew | wheezy-updates wouldn't exist |
| 01:38.27 | drounse | oh should i just comment it out? |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | if they 404, just comment them out for now |
| 01:38.47 | dvs | drounse: yeah, comment out the wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates for now. |
| 01:39.06 | stew | security will work, but provide no packages |
| 01:39.13 | stew | so leave the security.debian.org wheezy/updates |
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| 01:39.27 | stew | someday you might even get a security patch for wheezy |
| 01:39.28 | drounse | ok thank you |
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| 01:40.08 | drounse | i come from arch and freebsd, this is way different |
| 01:40.19 | Diopter | abrotman: It seems like if I udpkg --unpack it and figure out where anna gets its list of unpacked udebs from (because /var/lib/dpkg/status doesn't seem to be it), it could work |
| 01:40.26 | Diopter | abrotman: But I'm missing that list anna knows about. |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | i don't know who anna is, but you should probably just ask her .. |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | hides |
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| 01:41.26 | Diopter | abrotman: lolz |
| 01:41.29 | stew | isn't she britney and madison's friend? |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | kournikova ? |
| 01:41.53 | Diopter | abrotman: anna is the udeb installer system that runs in the debian installer. The right way to install a udeb is "anna-install <package>" :) |
| 01:42.04 | dvs | paquin? |
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| 01:44.12 | abrotman | was kidding .. |
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| 01:44.37 | Diopter | abrotman: :P |
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| 01:47.57 | trysten | i heard anna was a boat |
| 01:47.58 | abrotman | Diopter: i really thought the whole point of udebs was that they were allowed to act completely differently than normal packages |
| 01:47.59 | trysten | i mean bot |
| 01:48.12 | Diopter | trysten: boten anna! |
| 01:48.33 | Diopter | abrotman: I believe that's a side-effect of the fact they need to be super lightweight and fairly liberated to run in the d-i environment |
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| 01:49.05 | Diopter | abrotman: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ch03.html speaks to that aspect |
| 01:49.22 | chipotle_ | hi can someone recommend an alarm clock that will wake my computer up from sleep? |
| 01:49.43 | sneex | reboot? |
| 01:50.02 | ManoftheSea | bios? |
| 01:50.10 | engla | rtcwake |
| 01:50.13 | ManoftheSea | Wake on Lan? |
| 01:50.27 | pparadis | chipotle_: use a mechanical one that will jump all over the place and leave it on your keyboard. |
| 01:50.35 | pparadis | ducks |
| 01:50.35 | sneex | lol |
| 01:51.02 | Diopter | pparadis: Needs moar over-engineering |
| 01:51.29 | pparadis | true, i should have put at least two pulleys, a toaster, a golf ball, and a parachut into the mix. |
| 01:51.35 | Diopter | At least |
| 01:51.39 | ManoftheSea | needs more Goldburg. |
| 01:51.42 | sneex | yep >< |
| 01:51.53 | trysten | a device that listens for your vanilla alarm clock and activates a piston to press the power button on your sleeping computer |
| 01:51.57 | ManoftheSea | Needs a small, woodland mammel |
| 01:52.11 | ManoftheSea | Perhaps an Arduino is called for. |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | Diopter: right |
| 01:52.37 | abrotman | Diopter: do you know about #debian-boot on OFTC? |
| 01:53.04 | chipotle_ | pparadis: as in the former linode employee? |
| 01:53.24 | Diopter | abrotman: Ah, I did not. I shall check it out |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | Diopter: they may be asleep, or at DC .. |
| 01:53.43 | sneex | chipotle_: in all seriousness - is your computer monitor sleep or is your system hibernating? |
| 01:53.53 | chipotle_ | sneex: computer monitor is asleep only, i think |
| 01:54.14 | sneex | plain old cron then |
| 01:54.17 | ManoftheSea | then, what to wake? |
| 01:54.29 | chipotle_ | no, i want a gui... i don't know how to deal with cron jobs well |
| 01:54.40 | chipotle_ | i'm coming from osx and i want something relatively easy to work with |
| 01:54.41 | sneex | ? |
| 01:54.45 | ManoftheSea | man cron |
| 01:54.46 | ManoftheSea | man at |
| 01:54.49 | chipotle_ | pparadis: ping? |
| 01:55.09 | sneex | move your MOUSE ok? |
| 01:55.30 | sneex | mouse movement = awake :) |
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| 01:56.07 | chipotle_ | sneex: i'm trying to set an alarm to wake up for work |
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| 01:57.05 | sneex | interesting |
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| 01:57.13 | chipotle_ | oops |
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| 01:57.58 | sneex | you have a date bar arcpss top? |
| 01:58.03 | chipotle_ | is this #debian or #debian-overflow |
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| 01:58.06 | sneex | across |
| 01:58.07 | chipotle_ | ? |
| 01:58.17 | sneex | #debian |
| 01:58.19 | chipotle_ | pparadis: hey, are you here? there was just a netsplit so i'm not sure if you saw my query before? |
| 01:59.09 | sneex | ID tab = here :) |
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| 02:01.13 | bz | root 24118 0.0 0.1 3748 784 ? Ss 21:55 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 02:01.14 | bz | root 24256 0.0 0.2 4132 1064 ? S 22:00 0:00 \_ /USR/SBIN/CRON |
| 02:01.38 | bz | why oh why did cron fork itself into an immortal child? |
| 02:02.26 | ManoftheSea | because you're not using systemd.crond |
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| 02:03.12 | chipotle_ | pparadis: it's bohemian, i'd really like to catch up, if you want... |
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| 02:03.48 | sney | I always used at for my computer alarms |
| 02:04.19 | ManoftheSea | "at" |
| 02:04.21 | ManoftheSea | man at |
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| 02:04.58 | chipotle_ | what's at? |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | man at |
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| 02:09.28 | ManoftheSea | "at" is for running commands at a given time. |
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| 02:10.57 | abrotman | much like cron, but generally for a singule run task |
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| 02:15.17 | ManoftheSea | what just happened there? |
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| 02:15.34 | abrotman | netsplit |
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| 02:15.49 | gnarface | !netsplit |
| 02:15.49 | dpkg | A netsplit is a deliberate disconnection between at least two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it is preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 02:16.20 | ManoftheSea | thanks. |
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| 02:19.46 | asciiker | anyone here using openvz? |
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| 02:20.12 | abrotman | you? |
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| 02:22.09 | DanDare | I tried openvz but had issues with Apache tomcat |
| 02:22.23 | asciiker | abrotman: yes I am, I have a NAT question |
| 02:22.40 | asciiker | DanDare: what issues did you have? |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | so just ask .. you don't need to ask who uses X |
| 02:23.30 | asciiker | abrotman: they proper way to do NAT with openvz is thru iptables, but iptables is not installed on this server. anyother way to do forwards? |
| 02:23.31 | DanDare | asciiker, not working properly :p I think the "lack" of virtual memory was the culprit |
| 02:24.05 | ManoftheSea | asciiker: install iptables. |
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| 02:24.09 | asciiker | DanDare: I'm switching most VM's to openvz, I love the flexibility, no problems so far |
| 02:24.16 | DanDare | *or just how the swap space works on openvz. some programs doesnt like it |
| 02:24.22 | DanDare | cool |
| 02:24.38 | asciiker | ManoftheSea: no route add x.x.x.x ? |
| 02:24.44 | asciiker | you know, old school |
| 02:24.45 | DanDare | just using KVM for now |
| 02:25.11 | ManoftheSea | route isn't NAT |
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| 02:25.49 | ManoftheSea | if your VMs are publically addressable, you could route to it. |
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| 02:29.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps my logrotate keeps saying i got logs in my var/log that i don't have whats going on?? |
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| 02:30.41 | asciiker | ManoftheSea: you're right, that was silly |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: be less vague please |
| 02:31.02 | asciiker | iptables -F clears everything right? |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | uhm .. *everything* |
| 02:31.38 | ManoftheSea | beware your default policy |
| 02:31.46 | ManoftheSea | If will not change a default drop rule. |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | asciiker: when most people do that .. your SSH session will die |
| 02:32.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | um, it says i got four syslog.gz files and its trying rotate them.. and i only got two.. |
| 02:32.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have ht eproper opolcies in my logrotate.d so its not failing. |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | is this a problem? |
| 02:33.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes |
| 02:33.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | it not rotating at all |
| 02:33.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found one log that is like 150BG |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | can you create the files it wants to rotate so it stops complaining ? |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | did you edit the logrotate stuff ? |
| 02:34.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | it keeps saying it does not need to be roated. let me pastebin the output and the cionfigs maybe that will help |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | did you edit the logrotate stuff ? |
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| 02:40.13 | DanDare | asciiker, have a script to restore iptables in certain time. YOu can mess with it in between without accidentally losing connection |
| 02:40.16 | DanDare | or something |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | there are a few HOWTOs on how to do something like that |
| 02:40.45 | asciiker | dandare: that's what I'm afraid of, this is a remote server and I only have ssh |
| 02:41.40 | asciiker | I want all incoming and outgoing so I can safelly put it my own rules and forwards |
| 02:41.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i made my own configs abrotman everything else is working fine |
| 02:41.59 | asciiker | abrotman: yeah, already reading |
| 02:42.19 | asciiker | hopefully it will all go well |
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| 02:42.47 | DanDare | yeah.... hopefully |
| 02:42.50 | DanDare | :p |
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| 02:43.36 | abrotman | asciiker: do you have some method to restart the box if it goes belly-up ? |
| 02:43.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | hang on fixing my cionfigs.. puppet hasnt ran |
| 02:44.01 | Diopter | abrotman: Think I might have figured out how to inject the udeb contents without invoking the whole d-i buildchain. |
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| 02:44.41 | asciiker | abrotman, yes in the ISP control panel, I'm checking that now by the way, and they even have a handy freeBSD rescue disk in case all goes to hell |
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| 02:45.05 | ayoo | hello |
| 02:45.09 | asciiker | hi |
| 02:45.11 | ayoo | Ill be changing from centos to debian |
| 02:45.16 | ayoo | is this going to be hell for me? |
| 02:45.17 | asciiker | good for you |
| 02:45.28 | ayoo | I don't know about that. |
| 02:45.30 | asciiker | those days are over |
| 02:45.37 | ayoo | The centos days? |
| 02:45.38 | DanDare | ayoo, i dont think so |
| 02:45.43 | asciiker | I think you will like it |
| 02:45.51 | asciiker | ayoo: I meant the days Debian was a pain :) |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | ayoo: how are your reading skills? |
| 02:46.05 | ayoo | not bad. |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | good, you'll need them at first :) |
| 02:47.06 | DanDare | I tried centos slightly and i define it as the OS of the choice of grumpy guys |
| 02:47.09 | Diopter | ayoo: I've personally worked on both RHEL and Debian in large-scale production, and I can heartily say I would prefer Debian any day. |
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| 02:47.27 | Diopter | ayoo: As do the RHCE and RHCA's on my team at work :P |
| 02:47.47 | asciiker | Diopter: I have 4 centOs 5 and 1 debian..... dependes on that you need really |
| 02:47.55 | asciiker | depends |
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| 02:48.10 | asciiker | can't install kloxo on debian |
| 02:48.14 | asciiker | at least not yet |
| 02:48.21 | ayoo | I've heard debian uses less ram. |
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| 02:48.35 | Diopter | ayoo: Depends on what you're comparing |
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| 02:48.57 | asciiker | ayoo: requirements grow for every distro as times goes on.... Debian 6 minimal is light but not that light |
| 02:49.07 | Diopter | ayoo: If you're comparing a minimal Debian install with little tweaking to a minimal CentOS install with little tweaking, then the Cent install is probably running a few more services by default |
| 02:49.24 | asciiker | Diopter: I second that |
| 02:49.47 | asciiker | great for low end servers I think |
| 02:49.55 | asciiker | at least mine is.... |
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| 02:50.03 | abrotman | ayoo: depends how you use it |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | Debian is great everywhere! |
| 02:50.21 | Diopter | Agreed! |
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| 02:50.30 | DanDare | I usually dont care about it but I want a Debian adhesive now |
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| 02:51.09 | asciiker | people who don't like debian either never used it or never tried to learn it |
| 02:51.40 | DanDare | or are just people looking for some desktop oriented distro |
| 02:51.55 | ayoo | remote hosting. |
| 02:52.04 | asciiker | I tried that linux mynt release....... don't like it.. back to good old xfce |
| 02:52.09 | asciiker | on debian |
| 02:52.21 | DanDare | xfce is great indeed |
| 02:52.41 | asciiker | yup, always fast |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | remember Mint is not Debian |
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| 02:54.10 | DanDare | I think my neurons are getting vanished really... cant remember the name of the OT debian channel :/ |
| 02:54.42 | DanDare | looks at the topic |
| 02:54.53 | LtL | DanDare: #debian-offtopic |
| 02:54.59 | DanDare | Ha, that |
| 02:55.05 | DanDare | yeah... thank you |
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| 02:55.33 | LtL | welcome |
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| 03:06.50 | GreenET | Say, which directory is a good one/secure to put the socket for the urxvtd terminal's daemon? |
| 03:08.31 | asciiker | abrotman: "remember Mint is not Debian", if you mean it as Ubuntu is not Debian I see, otherwise,,,,, elaborate please |
| 03:09.01 | asciiker | cuz under the hood looks a lot like debian |
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| 03:11.57 | stew | certainly ubuntu is not debian |
| 03:11.59 | peterrooney | asciiker: ubuntu has made uncounted non-trivial changes to debian. mint did the same to ubuntu. "looks a lot like" is how I managed to crash a NP's mailserver a few years back. |
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| 03:13.05 | asciiker | haven't used ubuntu for years now but I guess it's falling far from the tree at this point |
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| 03:14.45 | peterrooney | You don't have enough money to make me keep those two diffs (and their merge) straight in my head. |
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| 03:25.37 | placebo | Hi |
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| 03:26.13 | juanpablojp1 | placebo: Hi |
| 03:26.28 | Diopter | abrotman: Hah! I figured it out. |
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| 03:26.51 | Diopter | abrotman: Turns out it's really fairly easy to do what I wanted :P |
| 03:27.09 | Diopter | Though not easy by debian "there's a tool for that" standards. |
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| 03:27.33 | ChibaPet | Hm. So, in addition to giving me a slow mirror from a 100 megabit connection to the 'net, http.debian.net now gives me some mirror that doesn't have valid checksums. Two strikes and you're out! |
| 03:28.12 | joulez | hi, theres a command line tool (or 2) that generates sequences of ip address ranges, masks etc in various formats. I can't remember it!? |
| 03:28.28 | peterrooney | joulez: ipcalc |
| 03:28.39 | joulez | ahh |
| 03:28.41 | joulez | =] |
| 03:28.44 | joulez | thanks. |
| 03:28.46 | joulez | theres another one. |
| 03:29.02 | joulez | that does ipv6 |
| 03:29.29 | joulez | uagh ipv6calc |
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| 03:29.48 | joulez | sipcalc |
| 03:29.53 | joulez | hooray |
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| 03:33.30 | placebo | H |
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| 03:34.25 | placebo | I try to install debian and i can't to continue in this step sialing.com.co/debian.jpg |
| 03:34.58 | placebo | I use win xp, a ntfs particion and Ubuntu right now |
| 03:35.17 | placebo | Who can help me please. |
| 03:35.48 | sney | !es |
| 03:35.49 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 03:36.17 | asciiker | placebo: does it just freeze there? |
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| 03:36.34 | placebo | Yes only cd1 |
| 03:37.03 | placebo | Is a iso in a usb boot |
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| 03:43.42 | placebo | This is a folder where i download a iso http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 03:48.03 | mo1991 | question for all yall :) Compiz .84 which is the current sid version, gives video tearing when running a movie on the second monitor. This is fixed in the .9 version which I have compiled from experimental, although the .9 has a few lesser bugs of its own. I'd like to see either a newer .86 which includes a workaround to the tearing or a .9 version in wheezy. What is the best way to get a hold of the compiz maintainers to see if t |
| 03:48.04 | mo1991 | his can be done? |
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| 03:56.21 | nkuttler | mo1991: apt-cache show compiz | grep Maintainer |
| 03:57.10 | nkuttler | placebo: btw, if you want a working installer don't use the development version |
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| 03:57.54 | asciiker | anyone: what is the fastest browser for X ? |
| 03:58.08 | asciiker | very low end server here |
| 03:58.23 | placebo | But is the same problem with netinstall |
| 03:58.24 | nkuttler | asciiker: dillo? |
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| 03:58.39 | nkuttler | placebo: the stable netinst? |
| 03:58.45 | placebo | Yes |
| 03:59.07 | nkuttler | placebo: switch to a different vt and check the logs, probably some hardware issue |
| 03:59.13 | asciiker | nkuttler: thank you! what happened to ice weasel ? |
| 03:59.21 | nkuttler | asciiker: what about it? |
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| 04:00.56 | placebo | Where i can see the log? |
| 04:01.13 | nkuttler | placebo: dmesg, /var/log/messages |
| 04:03.46 | placebo | I try to format a partition with g-parted and say that i dont have any partition |
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| 04:04.46 | placebo | I have a backup For all my disk and try to format all, what do yo think? |
| 04:05.10 | nkuttler | placebo: um.. whatever you like. just make sure you can restore those backups |
| 04:05.36 | placebo | Thank man |
| 04:07.46 | ClientAlive | I know this is a stupid concern, but I have to ask before I push the button and nuke the install I have on my computer now (if you could call it an install). See, I never tried debian before but ubuntu hasn't gotten my wireless right so I thought I'd give it a try. Anyhow, what I'm wondering is, well, I heard from people all over the place for over a year now that the debian crowd is tough. I suppose that's what's kept me from trying it |
| 04:07.47 | ClientAlive | for so long. What I'm wondering is if that's true and if I end up needing help to get my wireless right if people will be willing to help a guy who's not a computer genius. |
| 04:07.54 | asciiker | nkuttler: iceweasel used to be on debian repositories |
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| 04:08.36 | nkuttler | asciiker: it still is |
| 04:08.38 | asciiker | ClientAlive: can you tell us what version you're trying to install |
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| 04:09.05 | ClientAlive | I want to put one of the live ones on here = 6.0.4 lxde |
| 04:09.24 | ClientAlive | I happen to have that stupid broadcom wireless card (the 4318) |
| 04:09.58 | asciiker | have you considered linux mynt ? |
| 04:10.04 | streuner_ | Is the chipset supported |
| 04:10.05 | nkuttler | !tell ClientAlive about b43 |
| 04:10.06 | asciiker | it should be easier to get started |
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| 04:11.27 | ClientAlive | I've been using ubuntu for a little over a year, then tried fedora for about 6 mos but didn't like it. Ubuntu won't get my wireless going with the fwcutter and the firmware installer. I don't really want to do mint or anything other than debian or ubuntu. |
| 04:12.05 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: well read the msg the bot just sent you. debian doesn't have a different driver btw, maybe a different version though |
| 04:12.11 | ClientAlive | I have the debian wiki page in front of me for the b43 stuff but if it ends up being screwed up like it has been w/ ubuntu these last 3 days... |
| 04:12.23 | ClientAlive | ok |
| 04:12.27 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: sounds like your hardware died |
| 04:12.43 | nkuttler | assuming the nic worked before |
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| 04:17.07 | ClientAlive | jeeze I hope not, it was working with fedora 16 up to two days ago |
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| 04:17.51 | ClientAlive | every indication shows that the firmware and everything was installed and working but making an actual connection just wouldn't happen for me. |
| 04:18.56 | gits1225 | ClientAlive: Do you have more than two nic? |
| 04:19.05 | gits1225 | *more than one |
| 04:19.22 | ClientAlive | what about how, on that debian wiki, it gives the instruction but at the end of it says: "for example" How should one take that? Is the instruction concrete or just 'for example'? |
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| 04:19.48 | ClientAlive | no I don't, well, maybe - I have a separate one for wired connection |
| 04:20.36 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: oh, so the card just stopped working when you installed ubuntu? that sounds better |
| 04:21.33 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: the mirror section? there are debian mirrors all over the world, so this is just an example with a us one |
| 04:22.27 | ClientAlive | it says: "Add a "contrib" component to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:" |
| 04:22.35 | nkuttler | what i said |
| 04:22.46 | ClientAlive | ok |
| 04:22.59 | stew | ClientAlive: its a working example. if you are not in the us, there might be better alternatives |
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| 04:23.32 | ClientAlive | well, I have a wee bit of experience with linux but really I need to be able to just follow the instructions pretty much verbadim |
| 04:23.42 | ClientAlive | I see |
| 04:23.44 | joulez | wheezy > $1 |
| 04:24.05 | ClientAlive | well, here goes I guess :) |
| 04:25.49 | ClientAlive | so I looks like the debian command is not "apt-get" but "aptitude"? |
| 04:26.08 | stew | ClientAlive: both should work |
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| 04:26.27 | ClientAlive | right on |
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| 04:27.27 | stew | aptitude is, in general more featureful and slower and smarter and sometimes too smart for its own good. apt-get is dumber and faster |
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| 04:27.53 | ClientAlive | oh wow! during the install process it tells me about the proprietary firmware I need and gives an option to get it on there during install, from removable media. I happen to have a thumb drive here. Where could I get the right files to save to it? |
| 04:27.56 | stew | the "smarter" stuff, in general, shouldn't matter anywhere near as much if you are running stable |
| 04:28.16 | ClientAlive | lol. right on |
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| 04:30.10 | karlpinc | ClientAlive: This http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 says where to get firmware. |
| 04:30.29 | ClientAlive | nice |
| 04:30.32 | ClientAlive | thank you |
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| 04:31.41 | joulez | wheezy should be stable enough |
| 04:31.43 | joulez | :) |
| 04:33.02 | ClientAlive | wow. If this is how debian does articles/ tutorials I'm impressed. That page is very detailed and informative - well, well written. |
| 04:34.16 | adrakoa | bye |
| 04:34.43 | ClientAlive | bye |
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| 04:37.51 | ClientAlive | debian 6.0 is called "sid" right? |
| 04:38.00 | ClientAlive | oh nevermind |
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| 04:38.47 | sney | anyway |
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| 04:39.00 | sney | !tell ClientAlive -about introduction |
| 04:40.03 | ClientAlive | thx |
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| 04:51.42 | Lns | !tell Lns -about introduction |
| 04:52.22 | Lns | neat |
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| 04:54.28 | gits1225 | !tell gits1225 -about introduction |
| 04:55.56 | joulez | ClientAlive: if you like reading, then GNU/linux is for you. |
| 04:56.25 | gits1225 | Also if you wanna smash your head onto a wall ad infinitum :P |
| 04:56.47 | joulez | huh? |
| 04:56.52 | gits1225 | ... |
| 04:57.00 | ClientAlive | right on. I'll have to put it on my list :) gotta reboot this (other machine) that I'm talking here on. see ya again in a bit. |
| 04:57.01 | sney | everything breaks once in a while, but linux OSes at least give you a lot of information about what's wrong. |
| 04:57.02 | joulez | oh, yeh I remember those days... |
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| 05:03.06 | komugi | !tell komugi -about introduction |
| 05:03.41 | ayoo | what's your favorite forum software? |
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| 05:04.05 | Lns | Windows takes a day to set up and breaks in a month. Linux takes a month to set up and never breaks. |
| 05:04.06 | asciiker | hello |
| 05:04.32 | asciiker | who recommended the dillo browser a while ago ? |
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| 05:10.46 | ds2000 | i believe i have my /etc/hosts file set correctly but my machine is not finding is fully qualified domain name |
| 05:11.21 | Diopter | ds2000: What's in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, and what's the FQDN? |
| 05:12.28 | ds2000 | /etc/hostname: thor |
| 05:13.13 | ds2000 | /etc/hosts: ###.###.###.### thor |
| 05:13.27 | ds2000 | its an actual ip address |
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| 05:13.50 | Diopter | ds2000: Mmhmm. And the FQDN is supposed to be thor.blah.blah I presume? |
| 05:14.17 | ds2000 | i'm not sure what it's supposed to be |
| 05:14.31 | ds2000 | i presumed it would be ###.###.###.### |
| 05:14.33 | Diopter | ds2000: Oh, so you're not sure if you have one, then. Or perhaps what it means. |
| 05:14.41 | Diopter | Ah. Very confused then :) |
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| 05:14.59 | Diopter | The FQDN is the hostname + domain + TLD (top level domain) |
| 05:15.12 | Diopter | Like, www.google.com = host.domain.tld |
| 05:15.19 | ds2000 | so i need a domain |
| 05:15.23 | Diopter | Bingo. |
| 05:15.32 | ds2000 | i have one though something like freedns |
| 05:15.57 | Diopter | Cool. So if that links up to the IP on your machine, you can inform your machine of that fact in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
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| 05:16.42 | Diopter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.51 | Diopter | x.x.x.x host.domain.tld host |
| 05:17.19 | Diopter | Which specifies that both the FQDN and just the hostname should resolve to the IP |
| 05:17.29 | ds2000 | that's how to link them like you were talking about? |
| 05:17.46 | Diopter | Yes, but bear in mind this is static DNS. |
| 05:17.56 | Diopter | It overrides (regular) dynamic DNS |
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| 05:18.33 | Diopter | If you have a valid internet domain, and your IP is a valid host on that domain, you don't generally have to setup static hosts entries |
| 05:18.56 | Diopter | Because your usual DNS resolution will also find your own machine |
| 05:19.12 | Diopter | But if you know what your machine will be, a static entry makes it faster |
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| 05:19.52 | ds2000 | so lets say someone donated the domain free.com to the pool, and i am going to use it. i grab thor.free.com. |
| 05:20.14 | ds2000 | then i link my ip with that? |
| 05:20.18 | scientes | ds2000, yes |
| 05:20.30 | ds2000 | what is for example i have ds2000.free.com but i want thor to use it |
| 05:20.31 | scientes | except that google can't see your domain if you use someone elses domain name |
| 05:20.38 | scientes | but thats only google |
| 05:21.03 | scientes | (if we are talking about afraid.org) |
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| 05:21.46 | Diopter | ds2000: Well, how it Actually works is that there are so-called root servers in the global DNS, which delegate ownership out to the TLDs, like com and net and such |
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| 05:22.03 | scientes | and its all cached, so it isn't slow |
| 05:22.09 | Diopter | ds2000: Then the TLDs delegate out to the various domains, which are controlled by registrars |
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| 05:22.42 | Diopter | ds2000: The registrar can delegate the ownership of a particular domain to DNS servers not controlled by them, like if you want to run your own |
| 05:23.14 | Diopter | ds2000: Anyhow, wherever that ends up being, there needs to be a record specifying that a given hostname maps to a given IP |
| 05:23.40 | Diopter | ds2000: Those are called Address records (or A records for short). So you'd need an A record mapping thor -> x.x.x.x |
| 05:24.05 | Diopter | ds2000: *then* your box thor could be resolved by thor.free.com, if free.com's DNS servers had that A record |
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| 05:24.56 | Diopter | ds2000: Since there's this delegation path from the root, everyone in the world can find your box, either because the answer is already cached close to them (so it's fast most of the time)... |
| 05:25.06 | Diopter | Or because they can query the root, and follow the delegation on down |
| 05:26.19 | ds2000 | so i have ds2000.free.com mapped to the IP of my box |
| 05:26.32 | ds2000 | and it resolves |
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| 05:26.50 | Diopter | ds2000: Cool. Then you'll likely need to go use some variety of control panel or whatnot to change/add/update ds2000 and make it thor. |
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| 05:27.04 | Diopter | Which will ultimately swap out or add the A record appropriately |
| 05:27.14 | ds2000 | hah, so it has to be the same name |
| 05:27.22 | Diopter | Well, it doesn't have to be, no. |
| 05:27.33 | Diopter | As far as the internet is concerned, that's the hostname of that box (at that IP) |
| 05:27.38 | ds2000 | because i would like to use ds2000.free.com |
| 05:27.56 | Diopter | But as far as your box is concerned... it's whatever you tell it, If you tell it (using static DNS in /etc/hosts) |
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| 05:28.13 | Diopter | If you don't tell it anything, it won't know to treat thor.free.com specially |
| 05:28.22 | Diopter | And will likely fail to resolve it. Or at least it won't go where you want :P |
| 05:29.01 | ds2000 | so i need to update my hosts file with a line like: x.x.x.x ds2000.free.com thor |
| 05:29.08 | Diopter | ds2000: Another way to think about it... you don't control the DNS just because you can override what your local box thinks. Changes you make locally won't become global. |
| 05:29.21 | Diopter | ds2000: Sure, if you want to call it thor internally, and only there. |
| 05:29.54 | ds2000 | that is what i'd like to do |
| 05:31.06 | ds2000 | that should take care of log messages like "unable to qualify my own domain name (thor) -- using short name" |
| 05:31.12 | Diopter | mm |
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| 05:35.49 | joulez | ds2000: well does it work? |
| 05:36.04 | asciiker | what is the fastest browser for X on debian? dillo is fast but it lacks too many features |
| 05:36.27 | ds2000 | hostname -f returns ds2000.free.com |
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| 05:37.33 | ClientAlive | ok, so the first thing it tells me when I try to add contirb thing is that the deb command is not found. How can that be? |
| 05:37.41 | Diopter | asciiker: chromium is pretty damn fast |
| 05:37.54 | joulez | yeh they start of fast. |
| 05:37.57 | joulez | off |
| 05:38.05 | joulez | firefox was fast once. |
| 05:38.12 | [gambit] | still is on crunchbang |
| 05:38.29 | joulez | i here the v8 engine on chrome is fast though. |
| 05:38.33 | ds2000 | they have some mythical version of firefox? |
| 05:38.35 | gits1225 | firefox got pretty fast in recent releases. Maybe give midori a spin? |
| 05:39.14 | asciiker | firefox is far from geat on low end hardware |
| 05:39.24 | joulez | ds2000: if your app does a nameserver look up, what ever you put in /etc/hosts will be ignored anyway. |
| 05:39.37 | asciiker | maybe it will be good on update 27, they seem to release one every other day |
| 05:39.41 | ds2000 | joulez: give me an example |
| 05:40.49 | gits1225 | 127.0.0.1 www.google.com in your hosts file will deny you access to google.com by redirecting to your localhost. |
| 05:41.19 | Diopter | Like I said, it's just static DNS. And has a higher priority than dynamic DNS by default |
| 05:41.37 | ds2000 | yeah but why would i make an entry like that into the hosts file if i didnt want that to happen |
| 05:41.40 | Diopter | You can actually change that in /etc/nsswitch.conf if you're feeling adventurous |
| 05:41.47 | Diopter | Under the hosts: entry |
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| 05:42.29 | joulez | i used to have a whole bunch of address in /etc/hosts that i wanted to clobber. |
| 05:42.54 | ds2000 | 127.0.0.1 baddomain.com |
| 05:42.56 | joulez | now i have a db.clobber for bind9 |
| 05:42.59 | ClientAlive | this forum post (about 9 mos ago) is telling me there is no deb command but how then are they instructing you to issue it in a debian tutoral? |
| 05:43.11 | gits1225 | conversely if you put in 192.168.1.1 www.google.com will serve you as a cheap fast dns |
| 05:43.18 | joulez | ds2000: but it wont block www.baddomain.com |
| 05:43.24 | gits1225 | if 192.168.1.1 if IP address of google |
| 05:43.55 | ds2000 | i just wanted to take care of that log entry |
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| 05:44.08 | [gambit] | lol |
| 05:44.09 | [gambit] | :D |
| 05:44.10 | ds2000 | there is something in cron.d that makes it lookup the fqdn |
| 05:44.17 | ds2000 | and i dont want to mess with the cron task |
| 05:44.30 | ds2000 | even if its for sendmail, and i have no use for sendmail |
| 05:45.35 | ClientAlive | my bad - too tired I guess, I didn't notice what was actually being instructed to do. sorry |
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| 05:49.19 | joulez | hmm i know i went to a dns for a reason... |
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| 05:50.41 | joulez | wildcards, hosts doesn't support wildcards. |
| 05:50.51 | cardamon | How do you make a program "always run unless told otherwise?" |
| 05:51.00 | cardamon | make a init script for it? |
| 05:51.08 | joulez | run when? |
| 05:51.14 | joulez | always run when? |
| 05:51.35 | joulez | man cron |
| 05:51.40 | joulez | man at |
| 05:52.03 | cardamon | joulez: Make sure an instance of it is always running. If it isn't running, run it. If it is running, wait. |
| 05:52.14 | gits1225 | daemonize it? |
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| 05:52.50 | joulez | cardamon: have it write to a pid in /var/run/myapp.pid |
| 05:53.20 | joulez | er write its pid (process id) to /var/run/myapp.id. |
| 05:53.48 | joulez | !@#% |
| 05:53.50 | joulez | i'm going |
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| 05:59.20 | ClientAlive | I don't understand what they're telling you to do |
| 05:59.49 | ClientAlive | I've tried 3 different things (including precisely what is written) |
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| 06:00.58 | ClientAlive | apparently wireless-tools are not in that repository to begin with |
| 06:02.53 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: what do you mean? |
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| 06:04.53 | ClientAlive | it tells you to add a contrib component, do an aptitude update then install wireless-tools. The install step prints that there's 0 newly installed (in other words, it isn't finding it). I keep going back to that sources.list file to make sure I have it right but to no avail. Something isn't being spelled out in that wiki I think. |
| 06:05.55 | ClientAlive | does every entry have to also be paired with a line beginning "deb-src:" ? |
| 06:06.07 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: no |
| 06:06.14 | ClientAlive | well |
| 06:06.17 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: please pastebin the whole command you used and the output |
| 06:06.38 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: and your sources.list |
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| 06:06.47 | ClientAlive | ok |
| 06:06.51 | ClientAlive | just a moment |
| 06:07.28 | ClientAlive | err, what is the paste site and command for debian? never did debian before. |
| 06:08.16 | nkuttler | paste.debian.net |
| 06:08.28 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: you need a cli paste client? |
| 06:08.33 | ClientAlive | so just <command> | paste ? |
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| 06:08.40 | nkuttler | !tell ClientAlive about pastebinit |
| 06:08.58 | ClientAlive | ok. I know pastbinit |
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| 06:10.03 | ClientAlive | is there a way to link all the various things into one paste or do I have to end up with like 3 pastes? |
| 06:10.41 | ClientAlive | oh, nevermind |
| 06:12.32 | ClientAlive | trying to use pastebinit tells me the api has been disabled (what!) |
| 06:13.16 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: hrm. don't you have xorg installed yet? |
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| 06:13.46 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: actually, wireless-tools may already be installed.. |
| 06:13.46 | ClientAlive | I thought so. I've installed the debian-lxde distro |
| 06:13.54 | nkuttler | ClientAlive: apt-cache policy wireless-tools |
| 06:15.02 | ClientAlive | I think it's saying it is installed. I guess I'm used to apt-get telling you that something is installed if you try to install it again |
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| 07:52.40 | maya | Hi |
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| 07:54.47 | milligan | I've installed google chrome through the repos. After watching video media on the internet (could be youtube .. could be the other tube .. could be the news paper etc) .. the browser will become unstable and if I try to access a site that has video media on it again, it will hang. Normal pages can hang as well. I realize that this is a bit of a vague description, but has anyone had the same experience, and even better got a fix for |
| 07:54.49 | milligan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.39 | locoabreu13 | debian version? |
| 07:55.57 | milligan | squeeze. 6.0.5 |
| 07:56.36 | locoabreu13 | I have one internet corner with Chrome,work fine |
| 07:56.48 | locoabreu13 | Debian Squeeze also |
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| 07:59.54 | locoabreu13 | Icewasel have similar symptoms? |
| 08:01.00 | milligan | Haven't tried for a while, but if I remember correctly, yes. |
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| 08:01.49 | babilen | milligan: Where's your flash plugin from and are you sure that it is updated? Can you reproduce the issue with either chromium or iceweasel? (or whatever Debian packaged browser you like) |
| 08:02.20 | milligan | Is there any way to check? Been ages since I installed it :P |
| 08:02.34 | babilen | milligan: How did you install it? |
| 08:02.37 | locoabreu13 | Strange ,I was have problem in this Debian version with IceW,wich crush like Crome in your case |
| 08:02.39 | milligan | I reckon I installed flashplugin-nonfree from the repos |
| 08:03.46 | babilen | milligan: Ok, that plugin doesn't update itself automagically. You have to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" once in a while manually. (the --verbose is, naturally, not necessary) -- Could you please do that and try again. |
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| 08:04.03 | milligan | Sure thing! Didn't know that |
| 08:04.47 | babilen | milligan: Doesn't Chrome come with some flash-plugin itself? I seem to remember something to that effect. If that were the case than it is, most likely, a Chrome specific issue that we can't and won't support here though. |
| 08:05.33 | babilen | milligan: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=108086 -- yeah, it has nothing to do with Debian. |
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| 08:06.07 | maya | i'm looking for anybody who installed nfs4 server ? |
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| 08:06.46 | maya | i need help on grace and lease time |
| 08:06.50 | milligan | Guess I should stick to chromium then .. ? |
| 08:06.52 | babilen | maya: I am sure that there are plenty of people who've done that. Hypothetically speaking: What would you do if you found such a person? |
| 08:07.31 | maya | i need help on grace and lease time |
| 08:07.43 | babilen | milligan: You can stick to whatever browser you like. I just wanted to point out that Google Chrome is a very specific use case that we just cannot support. That being said: Support for flash is also only possible to certain degree. ;) |
| 08:08.16 | milligan | babilen, cheers.. :) |
| 08:08.32 | babilen | maya: I would recommend to ask your real question in that case - If somebody knows the answer (s)he will probably answer. There is also the #nfs channel which does, however, not look that active. |
| 08:08.34 | locoabreu13 | miligan:try with Opera |
| 08:09.16 | maya | babilen: Thanks, i'm also in this chan ;) |
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| 08:10.26 | milligan | locoabreu13, appreciate the suggestion... but I never liked opera, so I'll try to avoid that ;) |
| 08:10.35 | locoabreu13 | ok:) |
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| 08:54.13 | j0lly | Hi srry to open a pptp vpn need i to open tcp 1723... but for the gre protocol what i nees to do? Open port 47? Tcp? Udp? |
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| 08:57.10 | j0lly | I mean for the gre protocol what i need open port on firewall? |
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| 08:58.35 | boudiccas | j0lly: what does google say? i presume you've googled for it? |
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| 08:59.05 | j0lly | Say open ip protocol... allow srry |
| 08:59.44 | j0lly | But for my understand i can allow (open port) for tcp or udp traffic |
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| 09:00.14 | j0lly | What does mean ip protocol for gre o.O |
| 09:00.53 | joltcan | j0lly: instead of -p tcp you write -p 47 |
| 09:01.21 | tralala | j0lly, there are other ip protocols besides tcp and udp. One of them is gre. |
| 09:01.31 | j0lly | Ohhh |
| 09:01.39 | j0lly | U opend my eyes |
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| 09:02.31 | j0lly | So the protocol gre on 47 id no gre prorocol ar showed i have to open port 47 for all peotocols right? |
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| 09:06.05 | joltcan | j0lly: No, you should add iptables -A INPUT -p 47 -j ACCEPT. Not --dport 47 for all other protocols |
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| 09:44.38 | thewanderer1 | I'm running rkhunter with the suspscan scanning module, and getting lots of false positives on PHP scripts, font files, etc... can I adjust the thresholds or make rkhunter more sensible? |
| 09:44.58 | anunakki | lol people still use rkhunter? |
| 09:45.06 | thewanderer1 | well, what am I supposed to use? |
| 09:45.13 | anunakki | can honestly be proud to say.. i've never used any kind of software like that |
| 09:45.23 | anunakki | thewanderer1, your brain? :P |
| 09:45.33 | thewanderer1 | my brain is not PCI-DSS Level 1-cerfifiable. |
| 09:46.04 | anunakki | if you know what you're doing, you'll know how to diagnose and find the problem without a rootkit hunter |
| 09:46.46 | anunakki | no offense or anything, you might want to take a look around yourself, if you find anything suspicious it should surely be diagnosed and dealt with accordingly |
| 09:46.51 | thewanderer1 | sure, but I need an integrity scanner installed and configured properly for reasons I didn't set myself |
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| 09:47.07 | TheHumanRace | ... |
| 09:47.21 | thewanderer1 | it is for the exact same reason I absolutely need the newest Apache, PHP, SSL... :/ |
| 09:47.35 | anunakki | ew @ apache |
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| 09:48.03 | anunakki | mother russia tells us to go nginx |
| 09:48.29 | TheHumanRace | BOMB DETONATES HERE IN 10 |
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| 09:48.45 | anunakki | lol uh ohh terrorist! |
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| 09:48.56 | anunakki | pew. |
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| 09:49.02 | anunakki | ANOTHER ONE |
| 09:49.19 | neersighted | xD |
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| 09:49.27 | anunakki | lool diick |
| 09:49.32 | anunakki | and you're doing it from an android? |
| 09:49.38 | TheHumanRace | Yupp |
| 09:49.40 | boudiccas | !ops the hum flooding |
| 09:49.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: boudiccas complains about: the hum flooding |
| 09:49.51 | neersighted | loljline |
| 09:50.09 | TheTFEF | lol |
| 09:50.14 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.15 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:55.44 | anunakki | anyway thewanderer1, i suggest possibly looking into learning a bit more about security on your machine, and how to diagnose any problems, mainly network diagnostic tools etc.. and write a script to utilize them on a timely basis (cron) |
| 09:56.31 | Calinou | <anunakki> ANOTHER ONE < haven't seen one in 1 week |
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| 09:56.59 | Calinou | anyway: lmao |
| 09:57.26 | thewanderer1 | anunakki, I know my ways around grsecurity and auditing. the thing is, I need: 1) an integrity/intrusion scanner software 2) an antivirus (yes, antivirus!!) and 3) a firewall installed. the rules say that. |
| 09:57.55 | anunakki | hell, even throw in a rkhunter in your script if you feel like it, however i see no need, i dont think anyone is going to root my machine and hide it from me, even if they audit code |
| 09:58.12 | anunakki | hmm thewanderer1 i assume its for a client or something, if its required, then all the power to you |
| 09:58.28 | thewanderer1 | it's for a certification which requires these points to be met |
| 09:58.30 | anunakki | sounds like some pointless rules imo though |
| 09:58.47 | thewanderer1 | yes, exactly. but if I'm going with it, it can at least be configured properly... |
| 09:58.59 | anunakki | lol wait what, antivirus? |
| 09:59.06 | anunakki | didnt know such a thing existed on *nix |
| 10:02.34 | thewanderer1 | yes, we're actually running ClamAV... |
| 10:02.35 | anunakki | well, you learn something new everyday |
| 10:02.36 | anunakki | sounds like a backdoor imo rofl |
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| 10:15.37 | PaulePanter | Do some of you experts have an idea for the following problem. In X the USB keyboard is not working (happens arbitrarily). SSH into the system and doing `sudo chvt 1`, the keyboard can be used though and switching back to X it does not work. |
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| 10:15.48 | PaulePanter | Plugging it out and back in is a work around. |
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| 10:16.14 | PaulePanter | There is nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors. |
| 10:16.38 | PaulePanter | Can I somehow increase the log level of the X server (maybe evdev module) during runtime? |
| 10:16.59 | locoabreu13 | lsusb? |
| 10:17.16 | boudiccas | PaulePanter: what does dmesg say when you plug it in? |
| 10:18.21 | PaulePanter | boudiccas: There is a normal message it gets disconnected and then connected again. |
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| 10:19.15 | PaulePanter | locoabreu13: lsusb still detects it. It is no Linux kernel issue since I also tested this with the usbmon (USB monitor) module and Linux receives the keypresses just fine. |
| 10:19.43 | CareBear\ | PaulePanter : please pastebin the Xorg.0.log |
| 10:20.01 | CareBear\ | PaulePanter : to see how the keyboard is detected when X starts up |
| 10:20.25 | CareBear\ | PaulePanter : it may provide some clue to why it suddenly stops working |
| 10:20.36 | CareBear\ | PaulePanter : and/or some ideas for further testing |
| 10:20.44 | locoabreu13 | Do you tests all USB inputs? |
| 10:21.23 | PaulePanter | Here is some more information from the linux-usb list. |
| 10:21.34 | PaulePanter | http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg66733.html |
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| 10:23.27 | locoabreu13 | do you have this mother board? |
| 10:23.49 | PaulePanter | CareBear\: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg67099.html |
| 10:23.58 | PaulePanter | CareBear\: Is that sufficient or do you need more? |
| 10:24.24 | PaulePanter | locoabreu13: I am the composer of the message, so I have the problems with these two boards. |
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| 10:25.34 | PaulePanter | I hope it is not a stupid key combination to disable the keyboard in my window manager »awesome«. |
| 10:25.41 | locoabreu13 | sorry I see now It is your post |
| 10:26.02 | PaulePanter | But the manual of awesome does not mention any feature like this. |
| 10:26.09 | PaulePanter | locoabreu13: No problem. |
| 10:26.13 | PaulePanter | … at all. |
| 10:26.31 | Mirrakor | Hey everyone, I wanted to set up a homeserver and got myself a 3TB drive, but the hardware I got here is using BIOS, so I'll need a second <2TB drive to boot the system, right? |
| 10:26.38 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, try disabling USB auto-suspend on the keyboard port |
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| 10:27.03 | thewanderer1 | Mirrakor, throw a GPT partition table on the disk |
| 10:27.18 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: As written doing `sudo chvt 1` over SSH then the keyboard works. |
| 10:28.19 | Mirrakor | thewanderer1: And that will work with a non-UEFI Bios and a single 3TB drive? |
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| 10:28.48 | thewanderer1 | Mirrakor, it should, if you also create a partition for BIOS compatibility - the installer offers that possibility |
| 10:29.18 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter, might be a matter of X dropping the device if it suspends too often, I'm not sure. but it sounds like a good first step, no? |
| 10:30.00 | Mirrakor | thewanderer1: sweet, I was wondering whether I could create another partition but I thought the bios was limiting it anyway since it only sees 2047GB or something like that |
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| 11:00.53 | citric_acid | hi |
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| 11:07.17 | citric_acid | if i need to backup the system "/" partition (aka "only system files", *no* home, mnt, etcetera) to be able to fully recover the system installation what tar command do i need to use? will "tar -cpPjvf backup_of_today.tar.bz2 /" (to run from a live cd to backup the partition of my installation ) be ok? Or would i need some more parameters to preserve symlinks? |
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| 11:08.19 | citric_acid | *Or will |
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| 11:08.54 | guardian | hi |
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| 11:09.15 | guardian | I held nginx-common to 1.1.17 (from backports) because there was a bug in 1.1.19 at the time |
| 11:09.24 | guardian | though aptitude search ~ahold doesn't list nginx-common as being help |
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| 11:09.28 | guardian | s/help/held |
| 11:09.58 | guardian | and now I want to aptitude install nginx-full=1.2.1-2~bpo60+1 but it says nginx-common 1.1.17-2~bpo60+1 is installed and it is kept back |
| 11:10.01 | guardian | any hint please? |
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| 11:10.48 | citric_acid | guardian: try "apt-get --reinstall -install " |
| 11:10.55 | boudiccas | citric_acid: rsync |
| 11:12.06 | citric_acid | boudiccas: rsync? isnt it for backup via network ? also i need the backup so i can use an installation cd to simply boot and untar+unbzip2 the files on the partition when i need |
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| 11:12.52 | boudiccas | citric_acid: use rsync to backup directories and also for normla backups |
| 11:12.57 | boudiccas | *normal |
| 11:13.14 | Mirrakor | Say, the old rule of thumb for swap: 2*RAM is a little bit out of date nowadays, right? But I still need 1*RAM to use suspend to disk? |
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| 11:13.35 | citric_acid | i mean: i shutdown the system, then i boot from a debian intallation cd, than i do the backup using tar, and then i use the same procedure when i need to fix the system |
| 11:13.42 | citric_acid | ah, ok. |
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| 11:14.35 | citric_acid | boudiccas: will it preserve permissions and symlinks ? (like the ones of /etc/rc?.d/* ) |
| 11:14.50 | boudiccas | citric_acid: yes |
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| 11:16.51 | citric_acid | boudiccas: do i need to use it on a *non* booted partition? or can i use it on live system? |
| 11:17.19 | boudiccas | citric_acid: live system. i use it for all my backups with a cron job |
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| 11:17.40 | citric_acid | i've 2 partition: / and /home/ . i only need to backup / |
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| 11:18.17 | boudiccas | citric_acid: it can be done quite easily |
| 11:18.31 | citric_acid | but if i use it on the live system wouldnt it include also runtime data? o.O (like /dev/* and /var/run/ etc ) |
| 11:19.12 | boudiccas | citric_acid: set it up rihgt and exclude what you want to |
| 11:19.20 | citric_acid | i'd like to use that backup to do fast installation of debian also on other machines. |
| 11:19.39 | citric_acid | ok, thanks boudiccas :) |
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| 11:20.05 | boudiccas | citric_acid: you're welcome :) |
| 11:22.11 | Mirrakor | hm... just a curiousity question: I started the installer and it's "erasing" my factory new hard drive, is the progressbar accurate? (because it's on 0% for 20mins now) And if so is there a way to skip that? |
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| 11:23.04 | boudiccas | Mirrakor: /what/ installer? what debian version? |
| 11:23.25 | citric_acid | Mirrakor: who big is that disk? |
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| 11:24.34 | Mirrakor | boudiccas, citric_acid : the debian installer, squeeze 6.0.5 installing on a 3TB disc |
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| 11:26.09 | Mirrakor | The thing is I have to catch a train in 4 hours x) |
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| 11:27.30 | citric_acid | Mirrakor: is it formatting a partition? 20 mins seems too long. what type of partition are you using? |
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| 11:29.00 | citric_acid | Mirrakor: usually you'll only need a few gigabytes for the root partition ( "/" ). and you can use the remaining space for a /home partition and a partition for /var/tmp .. |
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| 11:29.44 | citric_acid | for a normal debian installation ~10GB will be ok for the root partition. |
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| 11:30.17 | epsilon | Mirrakor: are you using encryption? |
| 11:30.38 | epsilon | otherwise DI should not wipe the disk by default... |
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| 11:33.16 | citric_acid | Mirrakor: it is possible (rarely) that the installation program freezes. try to reboot now, then restart the installation. (usually it takes me ~20 or 30 minutes to install a base system, with the netinstall cd) |
| 11:33.36 | Calinou | citric_acid, what's your connection speed? :p |
| 11:33.53 | citric_acid | Calinou: dsl (~500KB) |
| 11:34.01 | citric_acid | why ? o.O |
| 11:34.09 | Calinou | mine is 2.4/0.4... mbits, not mbytes. :| |
| 11:34.11 | citric_acid | and yours ? |
| 11:34.25 | Calinou | if you're talking in kilobytes, that download speed is twice as fast as my connection |
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| 11:34.35 | citric_acid | mine is 3mbits |
| 11:36.06 | citric_acid | *was. now it is 4mb. but the upload speed is still so low :( |
| 11:36.36 | citric_acid | (30-40 kB in upload ) [-sic-] |
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| 11:37.44 | Mirrakor | Sorry, sorry sorry, I was in the kitchen. Stimm 0% progress. Yes netinstall, connection speed shouldn't be a problem. Yes, I used encrypted LVM, is DM wiping the disc with random data? I don't actually need this, I just don't want someone else to be able to access my backups |
| 11:38.39 | citric_acid | Mirrakor: yes, it's possible it's writing random data. |
| 11:38.54 | bardzusny | 3TB of data...my whole lifetime |
| 11:39.02 | citric_acid | but the fact that it is still at 0% make me think that it's stalled |
| 11:39.13 | Mirrakor | bardzusny: That's exactly what it's for :-) |
| 11:39.16 | bardzusny | if the disk makes some noise, it works |
| 11:39.43 | Mirrakor | bardzusny: unfortunately it doesn't from the outside, I'll open the case and check ... |
| 11:40.05 | Mirrakor | Could this possible be a cpu issue? It's a new homeserver I just bought, 2x1.5Ghz AMD |
| 11:40.06 | citric_acid | right. Mirrakor check the disk for sound (or check if the led is blinking) |
| 11:40.25 | bardzusny | of course feel free to do partitioning by yourself, from some sort of livecd |
| 11:40.33 | bardzusny | and even install system by debootstrap |
| 11:40.50 | bardzusny | this might give you more control of the process |
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| 11:41.27 | citric_acid | Mirrakor: if there's no disk activity try to reboot and repeat the install (bad cd read? ) |
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| 11:42.15 | Cyclohexane | can anyone help me install a vpn? :p |
| 11:42.24 | Mirrakor | Did I mention the train in 4hrs? :D I'll give it a shot and reboot, if it doesn't work it'll have to wait till after the vacation :-) |
| 11:42.32 | Mirrakor | Thanks everyone for the valuable input :-) |
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| 11:45.50 | Mirrakor | The Abort button doesn't work, I guess it really did froze |
| 11:46.59 | citric_acid | boudiccas: if i use rsync for the backup will i be able to extract it with simple tools like tar and bzip2 ? (tools available on a debian netinst cd) |
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| 11:47.21 | citric_acid | or will i need rsync for that? |
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| 11:47.34 | boudiccas | citric_acid: it wont tar it unless you give it the tar command |
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| 11:48.17 | boudiccas | citric_acid: read up about rsync |
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| 11:51.39 | citric_acid | boudiccas: i'm reading the man page. do you use it to backup your system? if so can you post a command that do that and exclude the home directory ? |
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| 11:52.04 | boudiccas | citric_acid: yes i use rsync but just to backup /home |
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| 11:53.59 | citric_acid | ah , lol |
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| 12:00.18 | boudiccas | citric_acid: part of my rsync script .......... /usr/bin/rsync -avz \ |
| 12:00.18 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:02.38 | jhutchins_wk | Mirrakor: I came in late - I take it you were formatting a 3TB drive and it appeared frozen? |
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| 12:04.31 | citric_acid | boudiccas: so i'll need to use this: "rsync -avz / --exclude-from '/home/user/excl.txt' /backupdir/ " where excl.txt contains these dirs: "/dev/ /home/ /mnt/ /backupdir/ /media /proc /sys /tmp /var/run/ " ? could this be ok? |
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| 12:05.40 | boudiccas | citric_acid: my blog http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html on jan 4th gives the details. yes, it sounds right |
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| 12:06.52 | boudiccas | citric_acid: i would put /backupdir on a seperate hard disk, just in case you get hard drive failure |
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| 12:08.22 | citric_acid | boudiccas: i use that dir to put there the backup .tar.bz2, so i can sha512sum it to obtain the hash, then move hash + backup on an usb thumb :) |
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| 12:09.18 | Mirrakor | jhutchins_wk: correct |
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| 12:11.20 | Mirrakor | now I just noticed that the tty4 has a dmesg output, apparently anna had some problems to find a few packages (cdebconf-newt-udeb, libnet0.52, cdebconf-udeb, cdebconf-newt-entropy, cdebconf-udeb, di-utils, kernel-image-2.6.32-5-486-di, core-modules-..., fat-modules, libdebian-installer4-udeb, archdetect, hw-detect), maybe that's causing the holdup? |
| 12:11.44 | Mirrakor | Also, apparently the system itself is not frozen, since I can switch between tty1-4 |
| 12:13.04 | citric_acid | boudiccas: thanks for the link |
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| 12:13.39 | boudiccas | citric_acid: np |
| 12:13.54 | jelly-home | ,versions clamav-base |
| 12:13.56 | judd | Package: clamav-base on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.97.3+dfsg-1~lenny1; squeeze: 0.97.3+dfsg-1~squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 0.97.3+dfsg-1~squeeze1; sid: 0.97.5+dfsg-3; wheezy: 0.97.5+dfsg-3 |
| 12:14.14 | jelly-home | hmph, no .5 in volatile |
| 12:14.33 | jelly-home | peanut butter backport time |
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| 12:17.34 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Really, you're just as well off running a bash script that says "Boo!" as bothering with clam. |
| 12:17.54 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: If you're serious about Windows AV you should look at AVG. |
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| 12:18.56 | citric_acid | boudiccas: do you think it's ok for me to exclude these directories? the system create the contents of /sys and /dev/ and /proc on boot, right? |
| 12:19.29 | bardzusny | it mounts them, not sure about creating |
| 12:19.31 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: the free one or the pay one? |
| 12:19.53 | jhutchins_wk | citric_acid: I believe that's correct. |
| 12:19.56 | boudiccas | citric_acid: try it and see. i've just had my backup script updated to only hold 15 backups in total, so i'm intending to post that script to the blog overt eh weekend |
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| 12:19.59 | jelly-home | adding a second or third av to the stack shouldn't be a problem |
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| 12:20.06 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I run the free one and haven't had much trouble with it. |
| 12:20.18 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I don't do the mail plugin. |
| 12:20.46 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: how long have you used it so far |
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| 12:21.27 | jhutchins_wk | !tell citric_acid what to backup |
| 12:21.41 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Several years, since etch at least. |
| 12:21.47 | citric_acid | boudiccas: hehe, it's not a "trial and error" thing XD 'cause to test it i'll risk to f*ck up the installation XD . btw thanks guys |
| 12:22.10 | jhutchins_wk | !tell citric_acid things to backup |
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| 12:22.47 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I had a serious infection get past clam and cause some real problems on a samba network. |
| 12:23.28 | citric_acid | !tell me system backup |
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| 12:24.27 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: I just scan mail and a dropbox-like service |
| 12:25.21 | boudiccas | citric_acid: i dont see how you can feck up the installation using rsync |
| 12:26.05 | citric_acid | boudiccas: *not* "using rsync" but "testing if the backup restoring works" |
| 12:26.24 | boudiccas | citric_acid: ah right |
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| 12:27.49 | citric_acid | rsync could be ok. but to test it i'll need to erase the "/" partition file/dirs and then decompress the backup on "/". what i need is the right way to restore the 'system snapshot' (i heard there's something similar also on windoze ) |
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| 12:29.03 | boudiccas | citric_acid: using rsync you get a 'carbon copy' of the base directrories so its just a matter of copying them back across |
| 12:29.12 | citric_acid | that's why i need some known-working method. (funny thing: i seem to be the only one that backup *only* the system files and *no* data/home-dir XD) |
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| 12:29.25 | nkuttler | citric_acid: i like backuppc |
| 12:29.56 | nkuttler | can use rsync, can do restores, etc |
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| 12:30.39 | boudiccas | nkuttler: but dont you need backuppc to do the restore with? |
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| 12:31.17 | citric_acid | boudiccas: yes. my idea is to copy the files on a ramdisk, then compress them in a unique file. and then copy the file and its hash on an usb thumb. The problem is: *what* do i need to include and *what* do i need to exclude. i dont know it :( |
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| 12:31.46 | waqs | hi there |
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| 12:32.04 | citric_acid | nkuttler: i only have a debian netinstall livecd available for the restore. so it must be tar+bzip2 or tar+gzip |
| 12:32.24 | waqs | What is the opposite command of startx, If I want to leave the x server |
| 12:32.33 | nkuttler | boudiccas: it helps, but not really |
| 12:32.38 | boudiccas | citric_acid: maybe backup-manager would be better for you, it uses tar.gz, or whatever you tell it to in the conf, and also does md5 checking of the finished backup |
| 12:32.47 | bardzusny | waqs: 'opposite'? |
| 12:33.11 | nkuttler | citric_acid: oh if it's just a one-time thing just rsync the data |
| 12:33.13 | bardzusny | try Ctrl+Alt+F2, but I'm not sure that's what you mean |
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| 12:33.32 | waqs | I am currently in KDM, I want to go back to text mode. logout takes me back to the login screen of kdm |
| 12:33.55 | bardzusny | /etc/init.d/kdm stop, then logout |
| 12:34.03 | bardzusny | or just Ctrl+Alt+F2/3/4/5/6 |
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| 12:35.02 | boudiccas | citric_acid: write to the debian mailing list and ask them about excludes and incluides |
| 12:35.26 | waqs | Ok, what about making text mode the default boot option. At the moment when I boot it loads kde. I think the command starts with update-rc.d kdm |
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| 12:35.59 | nkuttler | !tell waqs about nodm |
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| 12:37.00 | citric_acid | waqs: install rcconf, then use it to disable the kdm onboot. |
| 12:38.29 | abrotman | Diopter: good to hear |
| 12:38.30 | waqs | Thanks, this is the command: update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
| 12:38.51 | waqs | then to add it back: update-rc.d -f kdm defaults |
| 12:39.16 | ratatata | nu |
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| 12:43.42 | waqs | Another question, at the moment my etc/network/interfaces file has the wpa-psk in plain text. Is there any way to store this in not plain text |
| 12:43.54 | fasta | How can I limit memory usage of one command and all its children combined to some constant? |
| 12:44.30 | fasta | I have a program which basically uses whatever memory is available, including swap, I think. |
| 12:44.31 | thewanderer1 | citric_acid, if your home is on a separate fs, just copying the whole root fs has always worked for me |
| 12:44.32 | nkuttler | waqs: well you can't auth with a hash, so the clear text password has to be somewhere |
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| 12:45.10 | thewanderer1 | fasta, put it in a cgroup. http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cgroups/memory.txt |
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| 12:45.31 | waqs | can I set the permissions so only root can read? But will that prevent the networkmanager from reading it! |
| 12:45.45 | waqs | At the moment non root users can read the file |
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| 12:46.39 | nkuttler | waqs: what do you mean? on your backup host? |
| 12:47.26 | jelly-home | fasta: or, if per-process limits are enough, use ulimit (sh and bash builtin for setrlimit(2)) or pam_limits |
| 12:47.56 | fasta | thewanderer1: that is likely perfect. Thanks. |
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| 12:48.20 | waqs | there are two users on my computer. One is root, the other is a normal user. He can see the contents of the etc/network/interfaces file! |
| 12:49.07 | waqs | nkuttler: I think there is no way around it man! |
| 12:49.28 | nkuttler | waqs: default is -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 468 Jul 8 13:03 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:49.37 | nkuttler | waqs: if other users can read it you broke it |
| 12:50.33 | waqs | did I. I just installed it. rw.r..r.. means all users can read it no? |
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| 12:51.27 | boudiccas | you're right and nkuttler is wrong |
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| 12:52.24 | thewanderer1 | waqs, if you want to hide /etc/network/interfaces from root and still allow a particular user to read it, see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions , section on ACL |
| 12:52.33 | thewanderer1 | this is all pretty pointless, anyway :P |
| 12:52.42 | jelly-home | can't hide anything from root |
| 12:52.53 | jelly-home | root knows all and sees all |
| 12:52.55 | thewanderer1 | blargh. from everyone but root. |
| 12:52.57 | waqs | I dont want to hide from root man |
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| 12:53.52 | citric_acid | thewanderer1: i cant. (actually, dd is the method i used until now). the partition is 10 GB , only 4GB are used. The /root/ directory is over 2GB. So i think i could only backup < 2GB to have a workable system. |
| 12:54.04 | waqs | the problem is if I change the permissions to -rw------- then the network manager will not be able to read and therefore not connect |
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| 12:54.26 | nkuttler | hah.. right.. |
| 12:54.27 | thewanderer1 | waqs, does network-manager actually use that file? |
| 12:54.32 | nkuttler | no |
| 12:54.46 | nkuttler | network-manager doesn't touch anything defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:54.59 | waqs | Yes, the password is stored there. How else does it find the password to connect... |
| 12:55.12 | nkuttler | and yeah, i was wrong about the permissions, so just change them how you like them |
| 12:55.17 | thewanderer1 | I thought it stores the passwords in its own config files? |
| 12:55.41 | thewanderer1 | wpa_supplicant can use interfaces, but I don't think it has anything to do with network-manager itself |
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| 12:56.39 | evildmp | if I have a process that I started using /etc/rc.local, how should I stop it? |
| 12:56.42 | thewanderer1 | what user does it run as, by the way? I can't see a dedicated user for nm nor wpa-supplicant |
| 12:56.49 | thewanderer1 | evildmp, find its pid, and kill it |
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| 12:57.08 | evildmp | thewanderer1: and what is the best way to find its pid? |
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| 12:57.14 | citric_acid | thewanderer1: ah, you didnt mean "the partition" when you used the word "fs" ? So if i copy all the dirs of / (without /root and /home) it will be ok? but what parameter should i use to make tar copy also the symlinks (*not* traversing, just copy) ? |
| 12:57.20 | nkuttler | has an empty /etc/network/interfaces and can still connect to his wpa wlan |
| 12:57.21 | boudiccas | evildmp: top |
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| 12:57.34 | evildmp | thanks both! |
| 12:57.47 | waqs | knuttler: enlighten us |
| 12:58.02 | nkuttler | waqs: nm handles that for me |
| 12:58.23 | waqs | which network manager do you have installed? |
| 12:58.24 | thewanderer1 | citric_acid, manpage says -h is for dereferencing symlinks, so I think the default behaviour is archiving the symlinks themselves without traversal |
| 12:58.28 | citric_acid | fasta: htop |
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| 12:58.44 | nkuttler | waqs: the one. network manager |
| 12:58.57 | citric_acid | fasta: or renice |
| 12:59.08 | waqs | I have wicd. It sucks |
| 12:59.11 | thewanderer1 | citric_acid, and if you copy all the dirs besides /root and /home, you should be alright - just remember to re-create them on the target system |
| 12:59.31 | nkuttler | waqs: ah, i don't know about that. if it store the password there.. well.. |
| 13:00.00 | citric_acid | fasta: ah sorry, i was wrong. i didnt noticed the part "memory usage" |
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| 13:00.51 | waqs | Im in text mode only, are you in X, coz when I go into X I can leave the interfaces file emply and use the gui to connect. However in text mode I have to connect manually and store the password in the interfaces file |
| 13:01.47 | thewanderer1 | waqs, you don't need wicd for wpa-supplicant to work with the interfaces file at all |
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| 13:02.32 | nkuttler | waqs: nm has a curses or cli client |
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| 13:03.38 | waqs | thewondrer1: Ok |
| 13:04.27 | citric_acid | thewanderer1: thanks! :) |
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| 13:05.35 | waqs | nkuttler: Where is the config for the network manager? |
| 13:05.49 | thewanderer1 | waqs, depending on what user you run wpa-supplicant as, that user will need read permission for interfaces |
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| 13:06.12 | thewanderer1 | btw. here, it runs as root |
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| 13:06.29 | nkuttler | waqs: no idea, i used the gui client to configure it |
| 13:07.33 | waqs | ahh. wpa_supplicant is running with user root |
| 13:07.35 | citric_acid | thewanderer1: can i do the copy of the live system or is it better if i do that via a livecd ? (are /proc /sys /dev a problem? ) |
| 13:08.08 | waqs | Meaning I can change the permissions to allow only root to see the file. |
| 13:08.39 | waqs | thewanderer1: Thanks |
| 13:08.47 | mdpt | hi, how i can prevent another useres to see files i create |
| 13:09.00 | thewanderer1 | citric_acid, copying the live system works most of the time, but you're safer if you boot from a CD |
| 13:09.05 | waqs | mdpt: Permissions! |
| 13:09.23 | mdpt | users can`t edit but see for example |
| 13:09.29 | thewanderer1 | mdpt, http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:09.31 | mdpt | nano teste.php |
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| 13:10.05 | mdpt | can do it |
| 13:10.19 | waqs | use the chmod command. There are many combinations, have a look at the link from thewanderer1 |
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| 13:10.46 | txomon|home | Hi, I am having a very strange problem with gnome 3. I am in wheezy , and sometimes things (like terminal or other windows) get grated |
| 13:11.04 | Calinou | txomon|home, what's your graphics card? drivers? |
| 13:11.11 | nkuttler | gosh that chgrp -R has been running for half an hour now.. |
| 13:11.12 | boudiccas | txomon|home: grated? |
| 13:11.12 | txomon|home | Calinou, nvidia |
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| 13:11.47 | txomon|home | boudiccas, yes, like diffused |
| 13:11.54 | citric_acid | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 13:12.41 | thewanderer1 | txomon|home, a screenshot should be able to demonstrate that, I guess |
| 13:12.46 | txomon|home | ok |
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| 13:12.47 | txomon|home | will try |
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| 13:13.43 | fasta | thewanderer1: is cgroups also documented somewhere completely? |
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| 13:13.54 | fasta | thewanderer1: I read the whole thing, but it only has 'examples'. |
| 13:14.05 | VarmVaffel | I'm tyring to install debian using a USB stick, but when I boot the install program it fails to load stuff from the "CD", and I cannot see the scsi USB stick device in /dev |
| 13:14.11 | mdpt | tks chmod 700 |
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| 13:14.14 | VarmVaffel | it's on a brand new laptop |
| 13:14.15 | boudiccas | fasta: have you tried googling for it? |
| 13:14.41 | fasta | boudiccas: yes... |
| 13:14.48 | thewanderer1 | fasta, there's Red Hat documentation, and practical examples scattered around the Web - also, cgroup-bin in Debian (or similar-named) contains useful management tools |
| 13:14.51 | txomon|home | where may I upload it thewanderer1 |
| 13:14.53 | txomon|home | ? |
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| 13:15.18 | thewanderer1 | txomon|home, http://tmp.rkaw.pl/send-form.html for example, or any image hosting site. |
| 13:15.50 | txomon|home | http://tmp.rkaw.pl/files/short/2012-07-13%2015:14:39.png |
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| 13:16.01 | waqstar | Hi, How do I get information on a particular daemon? The memory its using, cpu, if it is listening or connected to any ports |
| 13:16.09 | txomon|home | here it is: http://tmp.rkaw.pl/files/short/2012-07-13%2015:14:39.png |
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| 13:16.55 | txomon|home | usually, all the terminal gets showed like the left menu in eclipse |
| 13:16.58 | fasta | thewanderer1: I will have a look at Red Hat, but I think it's a really, really bad development to have systems which are essentially undocumented. |
| 13:17.25 | fasta | thewanderer1: with 'examples' you can only copy it, with actual documentation, you can design something. |
| 13:17.39 | txomon|home | fasta, that is false |
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| 13:18.19 | Calinou | txomon|home, proprietary or free drivers? |
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| 13:18.36 | txomon|home | Calinou, no idea, I suppose free because I didn't install any |
| 13:18.47 | thewanderer1 | fasta, sorry, but cgroups are largely undocumented for now and I can't really point out a good, comprehensive source of information... it's the best solution for your problem, but requires some research |
| 13:18.49 | boudiccas | fasta: why dont you set up a blog where you can document your usage of these things? that way you have it for future reference and its available for others too |
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| 13:19.04 | thewanderer1 | I'll write-up a document, similar to the Permissions page, one day |
| 13:19.07 | fasta | thewanderer1: yes, I am not 'blaming' you. |
| 13:19.14 | fasta | thewanderer1: you have been very helpful. |
| 13:19.35 | fasta | boudiccas: because I would be the wrong person to do that? |
| 13:19.42 | fasta | boudiccas: whoever designed it needs to write it. |
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| 13:19.51 | fasta | boudiccas: like duh. |
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| 13:20.25 | boudiccas | fasta: not when its just for your own usage of it. that way you also give back to the community |
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| 13:20.32 | thewanderer1 | fasta, for now: http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Resource_Management_Guide/sec-memory.html -- Red Hat has some pretty nice docs, just look around |
| 13:20.57 | fasta | thewanderer1: yes, I was already looking at it. I think they generally do it quite good. |
| 13:21.20 | fasta | IMHO, such systems shouldn't even be allowed into the kernel without documentation. |
| 13:21.27 | fasta | It's just bad kernel management. |
| 13:21.29 | thewanderer1 | cgconfig applies to Debian too (only that Squeeze has some bugs, but you'll be able to work around them if you find the bug reports) |
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| 13:22.02 | fasta | Anyway, I am sure some people agree with me on this and surely some will disagree. |
| 13:22.22 | thewanderer1 | not a good channel for discussions, though |
| 13:22.27 | maya | Hi |
| 13:22.45 | txomon|home | Calinou, I can check it with a command. I tried lsmod, but don't know to distinguish |
| 13:22.49 | maya | I have a problem with nfs4. When i restart nfs server, client should waiting around 50-60sec before read a file. It's possible to reduce this time ? |
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| 13:23.35 | evildmp | I have a directory with drwxrwxr-x permissions; it belongs to user arkestra who is also in group www-data (and user www-data is in group arkestra); if I sudo su www-data I can touch and mkdir; but: when uwsgi runs as www-data, it doesn't appear to be able to make changes in there |
| 13:23.40 | thewanderer1 | maya, this period is the NFSv4 state recovery timeout, because NFS4 is stateful, as opposed to NFSv3. you could theoretically shorten it, but not sure where. at least, there's a good reason why this occurs. |
| 13:24.18 | thewanderer1 | txomon|home, nouveau is free, "nvidia" is proprietary |
| 13:24.19 | evildmp | any ideas? |
| 13:24.34 | txomon|home | thewanderer1, so free one |
| 13:24.57 | boudiccas | evildmp: so whats your question? |
| 13:25.22 | evildmp | boudiccas: what might be not working? |
| 13:25.36 | thewanderer1 | evildmp, look at uwsgi conf file. does it list "user" and "group" settings? if yes, then it surely does setuid() to only ONE uid, and setgid() to exactly ONE gid, likewise. that means it will NOT assume auxiliary group ID's. |
| 13:25.58 | evildmp | thewanderer1: I am running it with /usr/local/bin/uwsgi --emperor /etc/uwsgi/vassals --uid www-data --gid www-data --master |
| 13:26.09 | evildmp | by the way, if make permissions 666, then it does work |
| 13:26.18 | thewanderer1 | evildmp, exactly. it does not have the credentials of gid akestra. |
| 13:26.29 | stew | fasta: so there is a feature you would like to use. you find out this feature exists, but you might have to do some digging to find out how to use it. your claim is that you now wish this feature was not available to you? stop whining. |
| 13:26.36 | thewanderer1 | evildmp, start it as --gid akestra, or use ACL: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:27.04 | VarmVaffel | anyone with a Asus Zenbook in here? |
| 13:27.11 | evildmp | thewanderer1: thanks very much |
| 13:27.41 | thewanderer1 | (actually, 660 permissions + chgrp of the dir to www-data group would work without ACL) |
| 13:28.17 | evildmp | thewanderer1: cheers |
| 13:28.18 | txomon|home | well, I may leave now, but I will stay here afk, if you have any idea on why is this happening, I would be grateful if you tell me. Just ping me and will read it later |
| 13:28.40 | stew | oh, one doesn't have to do any digging at all, just a google search turns up the documentation from redhat and a very detailed cgroups.txt which is in the kernel sources... |
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| 13:37.15 | jjs999jjs | hello guys probs get asked this a lot but here goes - I am trying to link to an image in the server and I need to know the path ie http://ip address//home/webcom/Modern/Images/imagename.jpg but it doesnt go there can someone advise please |
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| 13:38.18 | pjc_ | jjs999jjs: you need to setup apache to serve that directory |
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| 13:38.29 | jjs999jjs | ouchio |
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| 13:38.35 | jjs999jjs | beyond me then it seems :( |
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| 13:38.45 | pjc_ | have a look into apache2 vhosts |
| 13:39.12 | pjc_ | the Alias option could be of use to you |
| 13:39.24 | citric_acid | what if i "apt-get remove consolekit" ? will i introduce security riscs? or will it be ok? As an absurd side-effect this action will also remove "acpi-support acpi-support-base colord consolekit policykit-1 policykit-1-gnome" o.O (wtf?) i think i'll need acpi.. or not? (btw i don't use gnome) . any advices ? |
| 13:39.42 | jjs999jjs | pjc thanks doing so now |
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| 13:40.48 | citric_acid | is consolekit an essential tool? |
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| 13:43.52 | citric_acid | are those dependencies a BUG? |
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| 13:44.48 | citric_acid_AFK | brb |
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| 13:46.41 | stew | citric_acid_AFK: no, not essential, yes, a bug: #665987 ; fixed in acpi-support version 140-5 |
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| 13:48.43 | zax | hi will this line in cron update everyday? 45 04 * * * /home/lex/update |
| 13:49.15 | stew | zax: it would run everyday at 04:45 |
| 13:50.17 | zax | stew: thanks what about twice a day a 04.45 and 16.45? |
| 13:50.34 | stew | zax: 40 4,16 * * * |
| 13:50.41 | stew | err 45... |
| 13:51.33 | zax | stew: thanks ok 16.00 is fine |
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| 13:55.51 | zax | stew: if you know when in ssh to a remote sometimes if I do not move the curser and go have a beer or something i cannot use it when i get back how can i increase the time on non-useage? |
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| 13:56.38 | stew | zax: that depends on which router in between is killing your connection |
| 13:56.47 | boudiccas | zax: the greater the time the greater the security risk |
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| 13:57.01 | stew | zax: its not likely to be something on either the ssh client or ssh server, but some (probably NAT) router in-between |
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| 13:58.04 | zax | ok yes the router ok I will look into that but you did mention security thanks it is a good point |
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| 13:59.12 | zax | stew:ooups boudiccas mentioned security |
| 13:59.15 | stew | i've worked around this type of thing in the past by doing stuff like putting a status bar with a clock in my screenrc which guarantees that traffic will go over the connection to update the clock, making the router think the connection is still active |
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| 14:00.55 | nkuttler | zax: maybe you want something like gnu screen/tmux? |
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| 14:01.10 | zax | stew: someone once said just call top but no sure about that |
| 14:01.14 | nkuttler | doesn't ssh also have a reconnect option? |
| 14:01.26 | nkuttler | hrm, maybe that was sshfs |
| 14:02.16 | stew | yeah, usually I wouldn't care, as I can just reconnect to a screen session |
| 14:02.24 | stew | but sometimes the continual reconnecting is annoying |
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| 14:06.08 | cache_za | couldnt you adjust ssh idle timeout? |
| 14:06.54 | stew | cache_za: no such thing exists |
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| 14:08.13 | cache_za | oh, thought there was a clientalive something or other |
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| 14:08.46 | thewanderer1 | SSH connections can go on for weeks - they exist until something in the middle decides to drop them |
| 14:09.06 | thewanderer1 | which well-behaved routers shouldn't do :P |
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| 14:09.50 | lasers | mosh |
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| 14:11.45 | zax | cron runs in the backgroud but is the only to tell if it has been run to check the file you want it to update or whatever? |
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| 14:12.15 | boudiccas | zax: what? |
| 14:12.15 | zax | rephrase |
| 14:12.54 | zax | how can you tell its done its job each day ? |
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| 14:13.26 | boudiccas | zax: put an echo command in to output to a text.txt file |
| 14:13.35 | thewanderer1 | zax, it will log what it did to daemon.log or so |
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| 14:20.16 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: Not necessarily. |
| 14:20.24 | madtux | hi to everyone |
| 14:20.30 | madtux | a quick one |
| 14:20.42 | madtux | when I setup the ulimit in .bashrc |
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| 14:20.54 | madtux | for the number of the process |
| 14:20.57 | madtux | like 200 |
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| 14:21.36 | madtux | after that I tried to execute a fork bomb and the ulimit didin't work |
| 14:21.42 | jhutchins_wk | !enter |
| 14:21.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 14:22.53 | thewanderer1 | madtux, have you verified that the ulimit is in effect? |
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| 14:24.08 | madtux | @ thewanderer1, after setup the ulimit in bashrc |
| 14:24.42 | madtux | I did ulimit -u and I got the same number which I've setup in limit.conf and .bashrc |
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| 14:29.33 | gp5st | hello. i have a thinkpad with a "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)". I'm having trouble getting opengl to work on it. i'm not sure where to start, so i can answer anquestions that will help anyone help me. i've install xserver-xorg, xlibmesa-gl, and xlibmesa-glu from backports |
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| 14:29.52 | WormFood | what was the name of the "good" apt caching proxy? (and by "good", I mean it replaced a lot of other, older projects) |
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| 14:31.05 | nkuttler | WormFood: apt-cacher-ng? |
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| 14:31.26 | gp5st | uname -a => Linux alice 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Feb 11 08:41:32 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:31.43 | WormFood | I think that is the one nkuttler, as I already have it installed...thanks ;) |
| 14:32.19 | stew | approx? |
| 14:32.39 | DammitJim | since Debian no longer uses bash_profile, where do I add a path? |
| 14:32.57 | gp5st | DammitJim: .bashrc? |
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| 14:33.05 | stew | DammitJim: it can, but usually you want just .profile, unless you want this PATH to be specific to bash and not other shells |
| 14:33.08 | stew | gp5st: no |
| 14:33.28 | DammitJim | ok, so you just do that in .profile, thanks! |
| 14:33.38 | gp5st | i thought it was executed on both console and non (ssh) logins now or does he mean over the entire system? |
| 14:33.48 | gp5st | (i'm curious, not arguing) |
| 14:34.06 | DammitJim | I have to add the path so that I can perform a cross compilation of code |
| 14:34.17 | stew | gp5st: .bashrc is exectued for every shell, which is a problem because since shells launch other shells, you'd want to update PATH in an idempotent way, which is harder |
| 14:34.32 | DammitJim | the instructions I have are for setting up the new toolchain executable path into the PATH environment setting |
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| 14:35.10 | gp5st | ah, interesting, thanks stew |
| 14:35.36 | stew | gp5st: so if you have, lets say "PATH=/something:$PATH" in .bashrc, then start bash, then in that bash, start bash, then in that bash, start bash, the path would be PATH=/something:/something:/shomething:/something.... |
| 14:36.02 | gp5st | yeah, makes sense |
| 14:36.06 | DammitJim | I need to log off and back on for it to take effect, right? |
| 14:36.23 | stew | DammitJim: yes, or just run it in the shell you need it in by hand |
| 14:36.24 | WormFood | DammitJim, try "exec su -" |
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| 14:36.46 | stew | (you are probably going to want a username there) |
| 14:36.48 | WormFood | er, with your username, "exec su - username" |
| 14:36.52 | stew | :) |
| 14:37.17 | WormFood | if you're prone to mistyping your password, omit the "exec" part ;) |
| 14:37.18 | jhutchins_wk | WormFood: why exec? |
| 14:37.30 | WormFood | so when you exit, you won't have to exit twice |
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| 14:37.47 | WormFood | makes sense? |
| 14:37.56 | stew | the exec means "replace this process with another" |
| 14:38.00 | WormFood | right |
| 14:38.12 | WormFood | so if you mistype your password, you get logged out |
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| 14:38.15 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, why not exec bash? |
| 14:38.24 | stew | because that's not a login |
| 14:38.31 | stew | the - to su means "login shell" |
| 14:38.42 | WormFood | "su -" will give you a login shell, |
| 14:38.49 | stew | so perhaps bash -l |
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| 14:39.02 | jhutchins_wk | I always took it to mean "use target users's environment", but yeah. |
| 14:39.10 | WormFood | when you add the - to su, it acts just like you logged in at a login prompt |
| 14:39.32 | WormFood | same thing |
| 14:39.39 | WormFood | ;) |
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| 14:41.30 | gp5st | I'm not even sure where to begin looking to figure out how to enable opengl. |
| 14:41.34 | jhutchins_wk | Unfortunately, several distros have dumbed it down so that, at least for root, the - isn't necessary. That was, apparently, easier than educating stupid users. |
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| 14:43.09 | Calinou | gp5st, what graphics card? |
| 14:43.20 | Calinou | opengl is enabled as long as you have graphic drivers... proprietary drivers work best |
| 14:43.44 | gp5st | Calinou: "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)" |
| 14:44.04 | gp5st | i'm installed the drivers i thought was for it, but it doesn't seem to have an effect |
| 14:44.28 | gp5st | maybe they're not the right drivers, though |
| 14:44.30 | Calinou | you have to reboot :P |
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| 14:44.36 | Calinou | also... integrated graphic cards are quite slow |
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| 14:44.39 | gp5st | reboot or restart x? |
| 14:44.46 | Calinou | better do a full reboot IIRC |
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| 14:44.54 | gp5st | hmm |
| 14:45.06 | gp5st | yeah, i'm not doing anything too heavy with this |
| 14:45.15 | gp5st | so integrated should be OK |
| 14:45.48 | gp5st | ok, let me see about rebooting. |
| 14:46.09 | gp5st | is there anywhere else i can look to see why it's not enabled or which drivers are ideal for that card? |
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| 14:52.37 | Psychonaut | Hi, I got some script run by cron ever 15 minutes. How can I prevent the system from mailing me every single echo from the shellscript |
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| 14:53.14 | boudiccas | Psychonaut: take out the echo commands |
| 14:53.55 | Psychonaut | thats not an option because I need them when manual |
| 14:54.36 | epsilon | add in cron: $YOUR_SCRIPT > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:55.00 | Psychonaut | OK thanks |
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| 14:55.41 | epsilon | but be carefull, that will also discard all error messages the system may want to tell you |
| 14:56.15 | epsilon | better way is to use > /var/log/foo insted dev/null so you can read later |
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| 14:57.18 | Psychonaut | ok good noteice |
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| 15:05.35 | jhutchins_wk | Psychonaut: Actually, echo should be stdout, so > /dev/nul without the 2>& might be a goog idea, then you'd get anything that goes to stderr. |
| 15:05.49 | jhutchins_wk | s/goog/good. |
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| 15:06.00 | gp5st | I'm having trouble getting opengl to work. http://pastebin.com/6fpJv4uJ is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf. uname Linux alice 3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Feb 11 08:41:32 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux. device VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 15:06.22 | dtcrshr | hello |
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| 15:07.21 | jhutchins_wk | gp5st: I've been hearing some trouble from Intel graphics users lately... |
| 15:07.37 | jhutchins_wk | Why do you have an xorg.conf though? |
| 15:07.37 | Iridos | right. troublemakers the lot of 'em |
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| 15:08.14 | emss | gp5st 2 graphics "cards" ? |
| 15:08.30 | gp5st | jhutchins_wk: i just generated one and rebooted thinking having an xorg.conf might force it to load what it needs. also, it was easier to paste that than try to copmile it all |
| 15:08.36 | emss | cpu (integrated graphics) and dedicated graphics card? |
| 15:08.48 | gp5st | no, i don't see 2 cards, just one? |
| 15:09.09 | jhutchins_wk | gp5st: Most modern systems that work with open drivers don't need a conf file unless they want some special options. |
| 15:09.10 | emss | `lspci' |
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| 15:09.14 | gp5st | the one labeled card0 |
| 15:09.37 | jhutchins_wk | gp5st: I'd checek Xorg.0.log both with that file in place, then move the file and test/check log again. |
| 15:09.44 | gp5st | jhutchins_wk: well, it wasn't working without, so i figured forcing a config for a reboot wouldn't be the end of the world:) |
| 15:09.47 | stew | gp5st: the log is probably more interesting than the config |
| 15:09.47 | jhutchins_wk | check. why can't I type today? |
| 15:10.29 | gp5st | emss: just for you http://pastebin.com/TP5YiTcb |
| 15:10.41 | gp5st | stew: probably right |
| 15:10.52 | gp5st | jhutchins_wk: ok, i'll look for anything that seems odd |
| 15:11.22 | jhutchins_wk | gp5st: Unfortunately there's a lot of noise. |
| 15:11.45 | gp5st | i'm seeing that |
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| 15:12.30 | gp5st | i can paste it if you'd like |
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| 15:13.42 | raptor67682 | would you know how to use aplay to play two wav's at the same time with ALSA? |
| 15:14.10 | raptor67682 | would you know how to change the fonts with setfont for bigger for the consle console /dev/tty? |
| 15:14.19 | gp5st | jhutchins_wk: stew: if you wouldn't mind, here is the log. I'm not seeing anything failing, and it looks like it's loading the intel and gl drivers http://pastebin.com/egbM3RfB |
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| 15:15.48 | stew | gp5st: and what makes you think it isn't working correctly? |
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| 15:16.35 | stew | i didn't thinik it was possible to have aiglx without opengl working |
| 15:16.47 | gp5st | stew when i run glx i get Unrecognized deviceID 126 |
| 15:17.18 | gp5st | (and i can't interact with the window manger after that, may or may not be related) |
| 15:17.26 | stew | gp5st: can you show us the output of glxinfo? |
| 15:17.53 | {g} | Hello! I want to clone my debian 6 partition and update it to testing. So I have 2 running Debians. One stable and one testing. Is it a good way to simply make a parition of the same size in gparted and then dd if=sda1 of=sda2 ? |
| 15:17.55 | gp5st | yeah, if i disappear and come back you'll know why:-p |
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| 15:18.48 | gp5st | stew: http://pastebin.com/QF9cudrP |
| 15:18.55 | gp5st | is the output from glxinfo |
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| 15:19.47 | DammitJim | every time I log into my window manager, I have to run this as root: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=0 |
| 15:20.01 | gp5st | or have i been trying to solve the wrong problem this whole time? |
| 15:20.11 | DammitJim | because there seems to be a bug with google-chrome or something |
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| 15:20.23 | boudiccas | DammitJim: write a script to run on login |
| 15:20.25 | DammitJim | does anyone know how I can set that to be set automaticallY? |
| 15:20.28 | gp5st | DammitJim: .xinitrc? unless that's abad place for it? |
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| 15:25.47 | gp5st | i take that back, the packages i have aren't from backports. |
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| 15:26.18 | gp5st | give me a second to reboot |
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| 15:28.08 | gp5st | ugh, now i feel silly |
| 15:28.17 | gp5st | installing from backports fixed the issue |
| 15:28.22 | gp5st | i'm sorry for bothering everyone:( |
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| 15:28.40 | PaulePanter | Shameless plug: Anyone of you still using a i5000 based server board? coreboot has been ported to it and porting mainboards takse Sven just some hours that good is the port. |
| 15:28.45 | PaulePanter | http://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/2012/06/25/support-for-supermicro-x7db8-added/ |
| 15:28.53 | PaulePanter | http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot |
| 15:29.27 | PaulePanter | ECC scrubbing is done in parallel and not serialized. |
| 15:29.38 | PaulePanter | So it boots considerably faster. |
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| 15:32.39 | AliceNine | can i, somehow, change the virtual xen vga card tha i have 32bit color depth in a windows guest? |
| 15:33.22 | gsr | hi all. I left my server running for a month, and returned to find the hd full. I cleaned out the log files / etc, and everything seemed fine - but now, apt seems to break every time I try to use it. currently, I'm getting exit status 10 when I try to remove a package (uw-imapd). I have tried apt-get install -f and apt-get autoremove, neither works. |
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| 15:34.28 | DammitJim | gp5st, .xinitrc is ran as root? |
| 15:35.07 | gp5st | DammitJim: iCFGM dump ************************* |
| 15:35.08 | gp5st | 00:00:00.780 [/] (level 0) |
| 15:35.08 | gp5st | 00:00:00.780 CSAMEnabled <integer> = 0x0000000000000001 (1) |
| 15:35.08 | gp5st | 00:00:00.780 CpuExecutionCap <integer> = 0x0000000000000064 (100) |
| 15:35.08 | gp5st | 00:00:00.780 EnablePAE <integer> = 0x0000000000000000 (0) |
| 15:35.20 | DammitJim | ? |
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| 15:36.20 | gp5st | sorry about that. it was in my paste buffer and i bumped the middle mouse button |
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| 15:36.36 | gp5st | DammitJim: it runs as the user xinitrc runs as, i think |
| 15:36.42 | gp5st | it = .xinitrc |
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| 15:42.27 | pinsi | "Like a fly with wings clipped, the circumcised male must figure out ways to compensate for his gross core deficiency. His freshly birthed body was tortured; his manhood was severed and stolen; the stripped down penis he was allowed to keep is lacking all magic, easily replaced by a cheap toy dildo. Not effortlessly, not by default will women find him a complete and satisfying lover." |
| 15:42.28 | pinsi | Do you disagree? |
| 15:43.38 | LtL | pinsi: go away |
| 15:43.52 | pinsi | Any circumcised males here? |
| 15:44.03 | waste1 | im a circumcised female |
| 15:44.20 | pinsi | What did they remove from you, wastel? |
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| 15:44.31 | gp5st | pinsi: how is this related to the topic? |
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| 15:45.10 | evildmp | this kind of rubbish is not what I am here for, goodbye |
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| 15:45.26 | waste1 | ah the internets, such lulz |
| 15:45.30 | mdpt | !ops look at pinsi |
| 15:45.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: mdpt complains about: look at pinsi |
| 15:45.31 | pinsi | Apparently more and more American women are early on in the dating process requesting the man's circumcision status. And those dumped in the Rejects Bin are forced to face the humiliating reality in its unvarnished horror. They are simply unable to have sex with a woman in anything close to a normal way. |
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| 15:46.03 | yano | pinsi: this is not an appropriate topic for this channel |
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| 15:46.20 | waste1 | finally |
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| 15:50.22 | jhutchins_wk | If you can't handle the occasional troll you shouldn't be on IRC. (By handle I mean what mdpt did.) |
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| 15:51.42 | mdpt | seemed that he was escalating... |
| 15:51.53 | mdpt | but shouldn't I have warned ops? |
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| 15:52.17 | stew | mdpt: no, you did the right thing, thanks |
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| 15:54.00 | cardamon | Indeed. Thank you. |
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| 15:56.46 | mithrop | what a troll ! thank you mdpt :) |
| 15:57.16 | grandie | he's on kde now! |
| 15:57.37 | waste1 | does squeeze have any NAC/NAP packages such as packetfence? |
| 15:57.49 | waste1 | or wheezy even |
| 15:58.42 | boudiccas | ,versions packetfence |
| 15:58.44 | judd | No package named 'packetfence' was found in i386. |
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| 16:01.23 | grandie | xrandr allows me to setup a dual monitor system on the fly, how do i make these changes permanent? |
| 16:01.28 | rudi_s | How can I get a statistic displaying which programs are swapped out on disk? |
| 16:01.28 | jhutchins_wk | mdpt: No, you did exactly the right thing. |
| 16:01.39 | drounse | if im running wheezy can i download the source and compile the most up to date programs? or will i get problems? |
| 16:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | mdpt: Arguing, scolding, or getting offended and leaving are less effective methods. |
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| 16:03.00 | jhutchins_wk | grandie: xrandr shold remember the changes. |
| 16:03.02 | stew | drounse: start with /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:03.24 | boudiccas | stew: is there backports for wheezy? |
| 16:03.29 | stew | oh, no |
| 16:03.41 | stew | drounse: sorry, i'm confused, not for wheezy |
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| 16:03.51 | ChibaPet | Alright, so, a question - unlike most I ask, hopefully someone will answer this one, as it might be useful. What's the best place for me to document how to set up an X environment with policykit/consolekit support but without using an actual desktop environment? I've done this, and I want to find a useful place to post the process. |
| 16:03.54 | jhutchins_wk | drounse: It's better to download sources from sid and build packages. |
| 16:03.58 | stew | drounse: but "/msg dpkg ssb" would work for wheezy when the package you want is available as a debian source package |
| 16:03.59 | drounse | well compiling doesnt bother me but i just dont want to break my system |
| 16:04.12 | ChibaPet | Which is to say, I've done this and worked through the associated issues, and now wish to share the wealth. |
| 16:04.19 | nkuttler | drounse: so just build a backport |
| 16:04.28 | boudiccas | ChibaPet: set up a blog and blog it |
| 16:04.31 | stew | grandie: if you run a desktop environment it might provide a way to do this, otherwise, you'll have to do something like script this in .xsession or .xinitrc or your window manager somehow |
| 16:04.41 | jhutchins_wk | ChibaPet: Most people usually post somethng like that to their blog, then maybe offer a link to the documentation maintainers. |
| 16:04.43 | nkuttler | drounse: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 16:04.43 | stew | grandie: xrandr only sets this temporarily |
| 16:04.47 | drounse | nkuttler, i thought there werent backports for wheezy |
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| 16:04.59 | jhutchins_wk | ChibaPet: tldp and docforge have policies explaing how to publish there. |
| 16:05.11 | nkuttler | drounse: the bot will tell you how to build one easily |
| 16:05.16 | ChibaPet | boudiccas, jhutchins_wk: Yeah, I was thinking of that, but just dropping it into the Debian wiki sounds good too. Soliciting ideas for where would make sense. |
| 16:05.23 | stew | drounse: there isn't a backport repository, you can backport things yourself the same way as you would for backporting to squeeze if you have a newer source pacakge |
| 16:05.24 | grandie | exactly, that is my problem |
| 16:05.27 | ChibaPet | Ah, that's what I'll pursue then. Thank you. |
| 16:05.36 | cardamon | Anyone know what the default image viewer is on Wheezy's gnome environment? I remember it shifting away from the default from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 16:05.43 | ChibaPet | grandie: Can you restate your question please? |
| 16:05.47 | nkuttler | drounse: it's actually easier for testing as stable sometimes doesn't have all the build deps |
| 16:05.53 | drounse | sorry guys, i come from freebsd and arch, this is completely different to me |
| 16:06.08 | ChibaPet | Oh, I see it. grandie, yeah, you can use .xsession for that. |
| 16:06.09 | jhutchins_wk | grandie: Which problem? |
| 16:06.22 | ChibaPet | grandie: You can also use .xsession in conjunction with a desktop environment if you want that. |
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| 16:06.28 | grandie | made changes with xrandr to setup a dual monitor system and can't get the changes to remain |
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| 16:06.42 | jhutchins_wk | grandie: What desktop? |
| 16:06.42 | stew | grandie: do you use a DE? |
| 16:06.52 | tremon | grandie: either use a graphical xrandr tool, add your xrandr commands to ~/.xsession, or add it to xorg.conf |
| 16:07.28 | grandie | lxde or xfce, sorry my fingers are very slow now a day's. |
| 16:08.13 | grandie | there is no xorg.conf |
| 16:08.35 | drounse | so in order to install compiled stuff from sid i need backports? |
| 16:08.44 | ChibaPet | grandie: You can do your xrandr stuff in .xsession and then launch your xfce4-session or whatever. |
| 16:09.17 | ChibaPet | For instance, xrandr --foo and then exec startxfce4. |
| 16:09.20 | boudiccas | drounse: there are no backports for wheezy or sid |
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| 16:10.13 | grandie | so all i have to do is put the the changes in a .xsession file |
| 16:10.21 | drounse | what is a backport? is it just compiling a newer package for an older version of debian? |
| 16:10.27 | stew | drounse: exactly |
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| 16:10.34 | ChibaPet | grandie: yes |
| 16:10.47 | stew | drounse: see "/msg dpkg ssb" for how you might do this yourself |
| 16:10.55 | grandie | thanks i'll try that now, later. |
| 16:11.04 | ChibaPet | grandie: I do it, and it works well. The only issue that was odd was that xfce and I disagreed on which monitor was primary, so I had to explicate that, when I was running xfce. |
| 16:11.35 | ChibaPet | e.g.: /usr/bin/xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
| 16:11.38 | drounse | but lets say i go to github and download source for say xchat, and i compile it will it run on debian? |
| 16:11.49 | stew | drounse: testing and unstable are generally pretty similar. similar enough that if you know what you are doing you can install packages from unstable onto testing. however since packages are generally meant to migrate automatically from unstable to testing, one should see WHY the versions in unstable and testing are differing |
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| 16:12.23 | ChibaPet | but I used to say, when running xfce: /usr/bin/xrandr --output DVI-0 --primary --auto --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
| 16:12.54 | stew | drounse: non-debianized source is a completely different thing, generally those thigns should work similarly as they would on other systems that you are used to. and it will depend on getting the right build dependency pacakges installed first |
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| 16:13.05 | CVirus | I'm getting this warning if I try to install sqlite3 using aptitude "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" .. help ? |
| 16:13.20 | drounse | stew, oh ok thank you that makes sense |
| 16:13.23 | stew | drounse: and you should make sure to not ever install stuff compiled from source in /usr, but in /usr/local or $HOME so that you don't stomp on debian packages |
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| 16:13.51 | stew | drounse: you also might look into uupdate, which attempts to update a debian source pacakge with newer upstream source: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 16:14.05 | stew | grandie: did you already have a .xsession? |
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| 16:17.10 | boudiccas | grandie: did you reboot for it to take effect? |
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| 16:18.35 | grandie | boudiccas, i did and it didn't guess my ~/xsession was not read or something. |
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| 16:19.32 | grandie | is there something i can do for this to take effect at boot not at login? |
| 16:20.42 | tremon | grandie: xorg.conf |
| 16:21.23 | grandie | tremon, don't have one that i can find |
| 16:22.04 | stew | grandie: how do you login? |
| 16:22.13 | stew | grandie: with a DM? console then startx? |
| 16:22.41 | tremon | grandie: and you cannot create an xorg.conf either? |
| 16:23.01 | grandie | gdm |
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| 16:23.29 | stew | grandie: when you login select "default session" as your session type. but you'll have to make sure that .xsession starts your DE |
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| 16:23.51 | grandie | sorry, i use gdm as i am trying to learn xfce and lxde. |
| 16:23.58 | stew | grandie: so the last line of .xsession should be something like "exec startxfce" |
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| 16:24.53 | VarmVaffel | I have a new laptop I'm trying to install Debian on, and I've managed to boot it normally from a USB stick. Unfortunately the USB stick doesn't pop up when it's "looking for CD" or whatnot |
| 16:25.12 | VarmVaffel | the device isn't there in /dev |
| 16:25.12 | stew | VarmVaffel: how did you prepare the usb stick? |
| 16:25.15 | VarmVaffel | dd |
| 16:25.18 | grandie | stew, i did not have an .xsession and made it but it did not work |
| 16:25.26 | VarmVaffel | with bs=4MB |
| 16:25.28 | VarmVaffel | and without |
| 16:25.31 | VarmVaffel | none works |
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| 16:25.38 | stew | grandie: did you choose "defauilt session" for your session type in gdm? |
| 16:26.01 | stew | grandie: or did you choose xfce? |
| 16:26.03 | jhutchins_wk | grandie: I think it depends on what you out in the .xsession |
| 16:26.08 | grandie | stew, i think so, |
| 16:26.24 | stew | grandie: did xfce start? |
| 16:26.50 | stew | grandie: were you successfully logged in? what happened exactly |
| 16:27.07 | grandie | yes, and i believe you are correct i selected xfce not the defualt |
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| 16:28.16 | grandie | both monitors are identified in both xfce and lxde, however they are mirrors of each other. |
| 16:28.36 | stew | grandie: what is the xrandr command you used? |
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| 16:29.09 | grandie | after i enter the changes with xrandr to put one to the right of the other i get my two different desktops. |
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| 16:30.04 | grandie | --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of DVI-0 |
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| 16:31.05 | stew | i'd start to question of xfce is screwing with you then |
| 16:31.10 | grandie | stew, that is all i need to get everything working properly, only it will not remain with i reboot. |
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| 16:31.52 | grandie | stew, it is the same thing with lxde |
| 16:32.24 | jhutchins_wk | grandie: You could always script xrandr on login. |
| 16:32.26 | drounse | wow i didnt know wheezy uses gnome shell |
| 16:32.29 | drounse | :( |
| 16:32.33 | Calinou | it does, dr |
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| 16:32.44 | stew | jhutchins_wk: how is that different than what we are doign now? |
| 16:32.46 | jhutchins_wk | drounse: progress! |
| 16:32.46 | drounse | i know now |
| 16:32.50 | drounse | i hate gnome shell |
| 16:32.54 | Calinou | > if you want a good alternative: you can install gnome 3 (the "fallback" version), or xfce/lxde |
| 16:33.00 | stew | drounse: there are tons of other options, it is just one of them |
| 16:33.07 | Calinou | apt-get install gnome-panel, iirc |
| 16:33.16 | drounse | i know lol ill probably use fluzboz |
| 16:33.19 | drounse | fluxbox |
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| 16:33.42 | jhutchins_wk | stew: autorun the script. |
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| 16:33.55 | stew | jhutchins_wk: how is that different than what we are doing now? |
| 16:33.56 | lilibox | hi |
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| 16:34.09 | stew | jhutchins_wk: he has put this into a script which is run when he logs in |
| 16:34.19 | lilibox | how to install standard kernel development package? |
| 16:34.33 | stew | lilibox: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:34.42 | lilibox | install OSS sound drivers |
| 16:35.06 | stew | lilibox: aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:35.10 | lilibox | and .deb asking me for recompiling some lowlevel modules perhaps |
| 16:35.17 | lilibox | thank you much |
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| 16:35.22 | stew | lilibox: what do you mean by ".deb asking me" ? |
| 16:35.41 | lilibox | i found some precompiled .deb binary package already |
| 16:35.48 | stew | ok? |
| 16:35.54 | lilibox | and tried install it by dpkg -i .... |
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| 16:35.59 | stew | ok? |
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| 16:36.49 | drounse | why is it not letting me update gcc and cpp? |
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| 16:37.12 | stew | drounse: what is "it" and how are you trying to do that? |
| 16:37.50 | lilibox | stew thank you ... i moved to next installation step :) |
| 16:37.53 | drounse | debian, i just updated to wheezy and a software update popped up and said update blocked |
| 16:38.22 | stew | drounse: what version of the gcc package is currently installed? what exactly was the error message? |
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| 16:38.46 | Calinou | drounse, did you add any PPAs? |
| 16:38.49 | Calinou | to sources.list |
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| 16:38.59 | stew | PPAs? in debian? |
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| 16:40.04 | nkuttler | drounse: wheezy is still testing, such things are bound to happen |
| 16:40.14 | nkuttler | but yeah, we'd need to see the error |
| 16:40.46 | Calinou | stew, are these ubuntu-only? O_o |
| 16:40.55 | drounse | http://pastie.org/4250858 |
| 16:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | Calinou: THe terminology is associated with ubuntu. |
| 16:41.25 | grandie | how do i go about creating a xorg.conf |
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| 16:41.33 | nkuttler | drounse: um, which command did you use? |
| 16:41.34 | cusco | Calinou: thy're not supported |
| 16:41.55 | Calinou | I know |
| 16:41.56 | jhutchins_wk | Calinou: There are a few third party repos for debian but we tend to call them that rather than PPA, and tend to be very conservative about which ones are supported. |
| 16:41.58 | cusco | Calinou: you may do what you want with your system ofcourse, but if something breaks, its not debian system's fault |
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| 16:42.09 | drounse | nkuttler, i didnt it was the software update that popped up |
| 16:42.24 | nkuttler | drounse: never heard of that. no idea |
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| 16:42.49 | nkuttler | drounse: you probably want to open a terminal and run apt-get -u dist-upgrade by hand |
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| 16:42.59 | Calinou | I used to use ubuntu/mint for 2.5 years :P |
| 16:43.02 | nkuttler | (and disable this auto-update crap) |
| 16:43.09 | Calinou | nkuttler, but... that will upgrade to unstable, no? |
| 16:43.22 | nkuttler | Calinou: sigh. no |
| 16:43.27 | stew | drounse: what version of gcc is installed? |
| 16:43.32 | Calinou | he said he upgraded to testing. |
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| 16:44.55 | nkuttler | Calinou: you upgrade to whatever is in your sources.list |
| 16:45.12 | nkuttler | unless you do some fancy configuration |
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| 16:45.45 | Calinou | nkuttler, oh, ok; thought it changed sources.list accordingly |
| 16:46.09 | nkuttler | Calinou: i see |
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| 16:47.46 | VarmVaffel | is there any known problems installing debian through an USB 3.0 stick? |
| 16:47.56 | VarmVaffel | a* |
| 16:48.14 | nkuttler | VarmVaffel: computers that don't boot from usb? |
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| 16:48.30 | Calinou | pretty much any computer today can |
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| 16:48.53 | VarmVaffel | rite, cos I have a problem with busybox not finding my USB stick after I booted the install program |
| 16:49.03 | VarmVaffel | or the "CD" |
| 16:49.09 | VarmVaffel | as it calls it |
| 16:49.11 | stew | VarmVaffel: which image did you start with? |
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| 16:49.23 | VarmVaffel | um lemme see |
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| 16:49.57 | VarmVaffel | ok I've tried the netinst |
| 16:49.58 | VarmVaffel | iso |
| 16:50.04 | VarmVaffel | both 32 and 64 bit |
| 16:50.10 | nkuttler | VarmVaffel: stable? testing? |
| 16:50.20 | VarmVaffel | stable |
| 16:50.36 | VarmVaffel | should I try the testing perhaps |
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| 16:50.38 | stew | no |
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| 16:50.46 | VarmVaffel | okay |
| 16:50.48 | stew | it has a far worse chance of working |
| 16:51.00 | boudiccas | VarmVaffel: whats busybox got to do with an installer? |
| 16:51.05 | Calinou | it supports recent hardware better |
| 16:51.10 | VarmVaffel | well the isntaller runs on busybox afaik |
| 16:51.22 | VarmVaffel | if I alt+f2 I get a busybox |
| 16:51.33 | VarmVaffel | yeah this laptop is brand new |
| 16:51.56 | nkuttler | VarmVaffel: i'd look if any drive was discovered, dmesg, /proc/partitions |
| 16:52.07 | VarmVaffel | it finds my two sata HD's as sba and sdb just fine |
| 16:52.17 | VarmVaffel | no other scsi devices is found |
| 16:52.19 | boudiccas | VarmVaffel: have you checked in the bios to start with a usb? |
| 16:52.31 | nkuttler | VarmVaffel: but the installer runs? just not busybox? |
| 16:52.34 | VarmVaffel | yes I am booting it, so the bios is not a problem I think |
| 16:52.38 | VarmVaffel | yeah |
| 16:52.44 | VarmVaffel | the installer runs, and "scans for cdrom" |
| 16:52.56 | VarmVaffel | but again, the usb-stick isn't there |
| 16:53.04 | VarmVaffel | not in /dev |
| 16:53.10 | nkuttler | VarmVaffel: that's odd, no idea. try #debian-boot on the oftc irc network |
| 16:53.13 | boudiccas | dodgy usb stick |
| 16:53.14 | VarmVaffel | I mean it should be like sdc or something |
| 16:53.17 | jpinx | is it just me or is wheezy much bigger on the hdd than squeeze? |
| 16:53.31 | VarmVaffel | alright thanks nkuttler |
| 16:53.58 | VarmVaffel | boudiccas it might be, but I've used this in another debian lenny system, and that works fine |
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| 16:54.15 | VarmVaffel | that was a small ARM embedded SBC though |
| 16:54.16 | jhutchins_wk | VarmVaffel: Some of the images available are intended to boot from the USB stick for systems that don't boot from CD. You may have gotten one of those. Be sure you have either the live CD or the netinstall image and try again. |
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| 16:54.53 | jhutchins_wk | VarmVaffel: This is a failure we often see, and we're not sure if it's starting with the wrong image or some error preparing the drive. |
| 16:55.03 | VarmVaffel | hm ok thanks jhutchins_wk, I'll try |
| 16:55.05 | jhutchins_wk | VarmVaffel: How did you transfer the iso to the drive? |
| 16:55.11 | VarmVaffel | I just dd'd it |
| 16:55.17 | VarmVaffel | bs=4MB |
| 16:55.19 | VarmVaffel | nothing else |
| 16:55.20 | jhutchins_wk | k, that or cat are approved methods. |
| 16:55.36 | jhutchins_wk | VarmVaffel: I'd make sure you have the right image and try again. |
| 16:55.47 | VarmVaffel | sure I'll try to find some alternatives |
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| 16:58.20 | boudiccas | VarmVaffel: do you already have a debian system on your hard drive? |
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| 16:59.03 | VarmVaffel | no, there's Windows 7 home on it |
| 16:59.29 | travisgriggs | i removed a bunch of packages yesterday from a minimal install, but i just used apt-get remove. they still show up in dpkg -l as "rc". Is there a way to sweep through all of those and purge them all en masse so they don't show up there anymore? |
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| 17:01.32 | drounse | how can i force upgrade gcc and cpp? |
| 17:01.43 | ksk | travisgriggs: use "apt-get purge"? |
| 17:02.19 | ksk | be aware that dependencies of that purged package are just removed, not purged, so you have to purge them manually |
| 17:02.26 | ksk | theres also a setting for this, but i dont remember.. |
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| 17:02.56 | travisgriggs | ksk, didn't make any difference, just told me there was no work to do |
| 17:03.10 | travisgriggs | dpkg -l still shows a bunch of rc status packages |
| 17:03.11 | dpkg | ii still shows a bunch of rc status packages 3.3-15 travisgriggs's private porn collection |
| 17:03.15 | stew | travisgriggs: aptitude purge '~c' |
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| 17:03.45 | tremon | wonders who dreamt up that factoid |
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| 17:05.31 | stew | that is an OLD factoid |
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| 17:05.52 | boudiccas | drounse: if there are no upgrades available for wheezy then you cant force them |
| 17:06.00 | D-Spair | I just realized that it's Friday the 13th.... SPOOKY! |
| 17:06.28 | drounse | boudiccas, there are updates it wont let me update them |
| 17:06.30 | stew | D-Spair: what version of the gcc pacakge is installed (3rd attempt) |
| 17:06.34 | cusco | yep my lucky day :) |
| 17:06.36 | stew | drounse:^^^ |
| 17:06.47 | stew | D-Spair: sorry, not you:) |
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| 17:06.56 | stew | drounse: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy gcc"? |
| 17:06.59 | D-Spair | stew, For my iptables host? |
| 17:07.14 | drounse | stew, 4:4.7.1-1 |
| 17:07.27 | stew | judd: versions gcc |
| 17:07.28 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1 |
| 17:07.33 | lilibox | next step to explore, how can i check out if i can use original sound card integrated on mainboard, now i am using standard oss drivers for managing PCI based 4inputs card |
| 17:07.36 | stew | drounse: so you have the current version for wheezy |
| 17:08.31 | drounse | stew, http://pastie.org/4250997 |
| 17:08.36 | lilibox | does this oss driver which is generic for many different cards is able to manage original modo audio chipset? |
| 17:09.14 | lilibox | how to check if original mobo audio is disabled or does not? |
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| 17:10.09 | stew | drounse: aptitude install cpp-4.4 gcc-4.4-base |
| 17:10.12 | citric_acid | is consolekit an essential tools? what happens if i remove it? |
| 17:10.18 | stew | drounse: or /msg dpkg kept back |
| 17:10.50 | stew | citric_acid: no. when you remove it, acpi-tools go with it becauase of the bug I pointed out to you the last time I answered this question for you |
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| 17:13.08 | citric_acid | stew: i'm sorry, i havent read that because i was trying to do a backup and things went wrong and also the client has gone (ssh connection drop) |
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| 17:14.38 | citric_acid | btw i've read about that bug (fake dependency of consolekit) on the mailing list time ago. Do you know if there's the intention to fix it or will it remain like that? |
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| 17:19.02 | oo_miguel | Can I remove files owned by root:root in my home directory that I only have write access too?? |
| 17:19.20 | oo_miguel | ah |
| 17:19.27 | oo_miguel | s/write/read |
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| 17:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: If you have write access to the _file_ you should be able to delete it. |
| 17:21.12 | oo_miguel | the rights are -rw-r--r-- |
| 17:21.26 | oo_miguel | and I experience following "misbehaviour" (in my opinion) |
| 17:21.37 | oo_miguel | I open a new console as my user: |
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| 17:21.53 | oo_miguel | do: su, touch x, exit, rm x |
| 17:21.53 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 17:21.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:22.07 | oo_miguel | sorry |
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| 17:23.10 | chovy | how do i remotely update the kernel? |
| 17:23.10 | oo_miguel | so I can do the following and it works!: su <enter> (i enter root password) <enter> touch x <enter> exit <enter> rm x <enter> i confirm deleting write protected file <enter> and the file is gone!? |
| 17:23.19 | oo_miguel | is this how it is supposed to work? |
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| 17:24.23 | boudiccas | oo_miguel: i thought that was what you wanted to do? |
| 17:24.48 | oo_miguel | I want to know why my user can delete files created by root? |
| 17:25.06 | oo_miguel | even the file belongs too root, and root is teh only one having access too |
| 17:25.08 | boudiccas | because you're ascting as root when you delete them |
| 17:25.16 | oo_miguel | no I am not |
| 17:25.17 | boudiccas | acting |
| 17:25.22 | oo_miguel | i do exit before |
| 17:25.37 | oo_miguel | please look at the commands I entered right above |
| 17:25.44 | oo_miguel | I start initially as a normal user |
| 17:25.54 | stefan_ | oo_miguel: do "whoami" |
| 17:26.05 | oo_miguel | i get : miguel |
| 17:26.17 | stefan_ | and you can still fiddle the file even tho its owned by root? |
| 17:26.19 | oo_miguel | which is my username on my machine |
| 17:26.25 | oo_miguel | I can remove the file |
| 17:26.30 | stefan_ | what does ls -l f<file> say ? |
| 17:26.32 | oo_miguel | wait ill pastebin it |
| 17:26.38 | stefan_ | ls -l <file> even |
| 17:26.38 | oo_miguel | -rw--r--r root root |
| 17:26.42 | oo_miguel | or eomsthin like this |
| 17:27.01 | oo_miguel | something like this , wait ill record and pastebin the process |
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| 17:29.51 | stefan_ | miguel: ahh nice. i can do that. no idea how that works :) |
| 17:30.30 | oo_miguel | so |
| 17:30.40 | oo_miguel | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1702672 |
| 17:30.46 | boudiccas | oo_miguel: what are the permissions after you've touched the file? |
| 17:30.59 | oo_miguel | i documented the whole process in the pastebin |
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| 17:31.21 | stefan_ | i have reproduced it |
| 17:31.33 | oo_miguel | it is how its supposed to work? |
| 17:31.45 | stefan_ | i guess so because i am not on debian |
| 17:32.10 | oo_miguel | this is a dramatic change in how i experienced access permissions to work |
| 17:32.43 | boudiccas | oo_miguel: what are the permissions after you've touched the file? 2nd request |
| 17:32.56 | oo_miguel | why can I remove files owned by root which I hav only read permission too |
| 17:32.56 | joeytwiddle | (squeeze) any idea why this would not mark the package? echo "zsh install" | dpkg --set-selections ; aptitude |
| 17:33.04 | oo_miguel | boudicas: they are documented in the log i just pasted |
| 17:33.16 | oo_miguel | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 17:33.16 | Sevet | oo_miguel: when you remove a file from a directory you're editing the directory list not the file, so it's based on the permissions of the directory not the file |
| 17:33.39 | oo_miguel | Sevet: oh ok |
| 17:33.40 | Sevet | you can write to /home/miguel so you can remove the file even though it's only writeable by root |
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| 17:33.58 | oo_miguel | Sevet: in other words i can also changed all files in this directory |
| 17:34.12 | Sevet | yep |
| 17:34.16 | Sevet | you could replace that file too |
| 17:34.17 | stefan_ | is the same vice versa? |
| 17:34.24 | Sevet | if that's a security risk, eg in /tmp |
| 17:34.25 | oo_miguel | makes sense |
| 17:34.33 | stefan_ | if you allow everyone to edit a file in the dir will it fail for others still? |
| 17:34.39 | Sevet | the sticky bit on the directory'll give you the behaviour you probably expected |
| 17:35.12 | oo_miguel | your explation clarifies everything, thx |
| 17:35.14 | oo_miguel | Sevet: ! |
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| 17:36.18 | Sevet | (although only close - sticky bit lets the file owner, root, or -directory owner- to change the files, so you'd still be able to delete/replace it just noone else in the group owning the directory. but it clamps it down a little) |
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| 17:36.57 | noecc | Compiling dcc; Executing make produces 'make[1]: *** No rule to make target `-lmilter', needed by `dccm'. Stop.' Any pointers to resolve? |
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| 17:38.15 | Sevet | that looks like it's trying to link to a library so install libmilter-dev |
| 17:38.23 | Sevet | but it shouldn't be looking for it as a makefile target |
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| 17:39.04 | noecc | Sevet: libmilter-dev 8.14.3-9.4 is installed |
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| 17:40.25 | chovy | anyone can point me to a resource for steps on upgrading kernel remotely? |
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| 17:41.53 | stew | chovy: step 1) verify that remote console works so that you can recover from botched kernel upgrade |
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| 17:42.51 | chovy | i do |
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| 17:44.24 | VarmVaffel | jhutchins_wk I have now tried with both CD-1 and both versions of netinstall I could find, but it's not discovering the USB stick |
| 17:44.42 | VarmVaffel | if you have any other suggestions I'd appreciate it, but in any case, thanks for the tips |
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| 17:49.19 | jhutchins_wk | VarmVaffel: I ended up using unetbootin on linux to prepare my stick. |
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| 17:50.43 | VarmVaffel | alright, I'll try that |
| 17:51.23 | stew | chovy: then it should just be a matter of installing the new kernel package |
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| 17:53.47 | chovy | stew: can you explain? |
| 17:53.57 | chovy | i already ran dist-upgrade |
| 17:54.14 | stew | chovy: what does 'uname -r' say? what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:55.06 | chovy | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 18:00.29 | citric_acid | stew: np, i'll wait 4 the logs |
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| 18:04.57 | stew | citric_acid: the bug was fixed already by the most recent upload of the acpi-tools package |
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| 18:21.31 | proby | hello , this is an odd funny problem , my icons keep always moving on the panel lol |
| 18:21.32 | rfxcasey | need help W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 18:22.12 | SumYunGai | hi |
| 18:22.24 | rfxcasey | #flood |
| 18:22.31 | SumYunGai | what wifi pci express adapter will work in debian |
| 18:22.38 | SumYunGai | what brand |
| 18:22.48 | proby | !flood |
| 18:22.49 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
| 18:23.16 | proby | smasung |
| 18:23.25 | proby | and shark |
| 18:24.06 | JenniferB2 | Hi, I am installing debian 6 squeeze from usb .. during the first steps I get a "detect network hardware" ... some of your hardware needs non-free firmware to operate ... the missing firmware files are "rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw" ... if such media is available bla bla insert and continue .. lad missing firmware from removal media" yes or no!? |
| 18:24.55 | proby | XDDDD INSTALL then download the firmware :p |
| 18:25.12 | JenniferB2 | proby: tome ? |
| 18:25.17 | JenniferB2 | proby: to me ? |
| 18:25.22 | proby | yup |
| 18:25.32 | Psychon4ut | Hi, got two errors in my log, anybody know by what this could be caused: Jul 11 20:57:17 alpha kernel: [12221.297480] erlexec[2271]: segfault at 4 ip 000003b6736cfa56 sp 000003ffffffa170 error 6 in libc-2.11.3.so |
| 18:25.33 | Psychon4ut | Jul 11 20:57:17 alpha kernel: [12221.297480] pop3login[9566]: segfault at 0 ip 000002d872c94cf2 sp 000003dc19606788 error 4 in libc-2.11.3.so[2d872c19000+1590 |
| 18:25.36 | JenniferB2 | so no, or yes? |
| 18:25.49 | proby | yes |
| 18:25.53 | Psychon4ut | so its a segfault in libc-2.11.3.so |
| 18:26.11 | proby | if it deosn't work i think you will have missing os parts like gdm and other apps |
| 18:26.28 | proby | Psychon4ut, what a help |
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| 18:29.09 | jhutchins_wk | Psychon4ut: I think it's segfaults in erlexec and pop3login, both of which use libc. |
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| 18:33.22 | rfxcasey | need help changing Debian repos |
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| 18:37.24 | nkuttler | rfxcasey: well ask your question |
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| 18:38.00 | SumYunGai | whats a good brand that will work on debian for wifi pci cards |
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| 18:38.53 | nkuttler | SumYunGai: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ |
| 18:39.24 | SumYunGai | looks like asus will work |
| 18:39.31 | LtL | SumYunGai: another site, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 18:40.09 | nkuttler | knuto probably doesn't check for non-free firmware though |
| 18:40.17 | nkuttler | kmuto even |
| 18:40.41 | n1md4 | hello. ive recently built raid10 from 2x raid1 and then raid0 on top (as opposed to using raid10), it appeared to work, quite well too, but grub2 had problems detecting disks upon running update-grub. has anyone else done this? |
| 18:41.24 | jhutchins_wk | SumYunGai: It's really down to the individual chipset - and sometimes they'l put a completely different chipset in a card without changing anything about the model. |
| 18:42.03 | SumYunGai | well doesnt anyone have a card and debian |
| 18:42.13 | SumYunGai | with out sending me to these bogus pages |
| 18:42.18 | n1md4 | My question is more if grub2 has the ability to read any md, regardless how it's stacked? |
| 18:42.21 | nkuttler | likes cables |
| 18:42.31 | SumYunGai | i hav a cable |
| 18:42.43 | SumYunGai | but my office is PCI DSS |
| 18:42.56 | SumYunGai | so i need wifi for the open conection |
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| 18:43.56 | jhutchins_wk | SumYunGai: You're not going to get very far with Linux if you're not willing to read the documentation. |
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| 18:44.17 | stew | n1md4: btw, that IS raid10, the other way, a mirror of striped arrays is raid 0+1 |
| 18:44.33 | SumYunGai | jhutchins r u an idiot |
| 18:44.36 | proby | wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI :pppppppppppp |
| 18:44.39 | nkuttler | nice |
| 18:44.40 | SumYunGai | why wud u say that |
| 18:44.48 | SumYunGai | wtf do u kno bout me |
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| 18:44.51 | SumYunGai | jfc |
| 18:44.58 | Diopter | stew: Mirror of stripes is 1+0. Stripe of mirrors is 0+1. |
| 18:45.01 | nkuttler | SumYunGai: the way you treat volunteers here is a good way to get ignored or kicked |
| 18:45.13 | SumYunGai | well look at wat he said |
| 18:45.19 | nkuttler | i'm with him |
| 18:45.26 | proby | SumYunGai, wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
| 18:45.41 | stew | SumYunGai: can you please keep things here constructive |
| 18:45.46 | stew | SumYunGai: and avoid ad-hominems |
| 18:45.47 | rfxcasey | getting errors like W: Failed to fetch and so forth. Want to change repos but a bit confused at to which to use |
| 18:46.37 | rfxcasey | I tried an alternate but got even more errors |
| 18:46.48 | stew | Diopter: wait, are you sure? i'm all confused |
| 18:47.08 | Diopter | stew: I'm quite sure. 0 is not a real RAID level, because it's not redundant; it's striping. |
| 18:47.14 | Diopter | stew: 1 is mirroring, the simplest redundancy. |
| 18:47.18 | SumYunGai | oh ur looking for wifi card |
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| 18:47.19 | Diopter | stew: So 1+0 is mirrored stripes. |
| 18:47.21 | stew | yes, i know these |
| 18:47.22 | nkuttler | rfxcasey: there are tools like apt-spy. which mirrors were you using? which command? |
| 18:47.24 | SumYunGai | might uninstall debian then |
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| 18:47.38 | jhutchins_wk | SumYunGai: Yes! Please! |
| 18:47.45 | SumYunGai | ok noob |
| 18:47.46 | Diopter | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Nested_.28hybrid.29_RAID |
| 18:47.54 | rfxcasey | not using any now as I have deleted them all from sources.list file |
| 18:48.22 | SumYunGai | ur just a hater lil neckbeard fatty |
| 18:48.33 | nkuttler | rfxcasey: well that obviously won't work |
| 18:48.37 | rfxcasey | just using apt-get update and was met with repo errors |
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| 18:48.48 | nkuttler | !tell rfxcasey about errors |
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| 18:48.51 | rfxcasey | tried a few and all give some errors so need a good stable one |
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| 18:49.07 | stew | SumYunGai: take a 10 minute break. when you return, please keep this channel constructive |
| 18:49.35 | stew | SumYunGai: and you'll find that people will find it annoying if you are unwilling to fully type out words like "you" and "your", etc |
| 18:49.43 | kesroesweyth | ^this |
| 18:49.57 | nkuttler | SumYunGai: or read documentation. or tell us exactly what you don't like about the documentation |
| 18:50.01 | stew | Diopter: that page says the opposite of you |
| 18:50.11 | kesroesweyth | nkuttler it was clearly bogus ;) |
| 18:50.48 | rfxcasey | basically just need suggested main repo so I can put something in my sources.list |
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| 18:50.59 | nkuttler | !tell rfxcasey about sources.list |
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| 18:52.28 | rfxcasey | bah forget it |
| 18:52.31 | abrotman | stew: you get all the fun ones .. |
| 18:52.36 | Diopter | stew: I don't know what you're reading, but "RAID 0+1: striped sets in a mirrored set" is what it says there. |
| 18:53.07 | Diopter | stew: Oh wait, hah! I misread it. You are correct! |
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| 18:53.24 | BitPuffin | Uhm, when debian testing freezes soon, how can I use testing while not getting frozen? |
| 18:53.24 | jhutchins_wk | Apologies to all for the lack of restraint. |
| 18:53.30 | abrotman | BitPuffin: already froze |
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| 18:53.35 | BitPuffin | oh |
| 18:53.37 | abrotman | BitPuffin: and you can't |
| 18:53.43 | stew | BitPuffin: what would that mean? |
| 18:53.43 | BitPuffin | :( |
| 18:53.46 | jhutchins_wk | bit so you see, you have nothing to worry about. |
| 18:53.48 | BitPuffin | Unless I go with sid |
| 18:53.56 | BitPuffin | But I don't wanna do that :P |
| 18:53.58 | stew | !slushy |
| 18:53.58 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 18:54.00 | abrotman | BitPuffin: but that's not testing |
| 18:54.13 | stew | BitPuffin: why are you concerned about testing being frozen? |
| 18:54.16 | abrotman | wheezy is testing currently .. nothign else .. you said you wanted testing |
| 18:54.35 | BitPuffin | Well I just wanted to get newer versions of software |
| 18:54.46 | BitPuffin | But still keeping it pretty stable |
| 18:54.52 | abrotman | BitPuffin: such as what? |
| 18:55.02 | BitPuffin | Well, like testing before it's frozen |
| 18:55.12 | abrotman | oh okay .. makes perfect sense |
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| 18:55.29 | n1md4 | stew: it was more using nested mds, the kernel didn't mind, grub would only show the mirrored parts, not the striped mirrors. |
| 18:55.29 | chovy | stew: did you see my respone? |
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| 18:55.38 | BitPuffin | Guess I'm gonna have to wait for the next testing sometime after 2013 |
| 18:55.46 | abrotman | BitPuffin: if you don't have a good reason to use newer, why risk it ? |
| 18:55.55 | BitPuffin | True |
| 18:55.57 | BitPuffin | brb |
| 18:56.11 | n1md4 | (it's possible I should learn more how md's work, I'm not sure if it has a concept of nesting). |
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| 18:58.18 | stew | chovy: yeah, did you see my other questsions? |
| 18:58.24 | superstraw | does making a link to /home/user/pics from /var/www have any security issues? |
| 18:58.29 | stew | chovy: it sounds like you have the latests kernel for stable |
| 18:58.50 | pc_magas | Good evening how debbian will magage to handle the secure boot? |
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| 18:58.56 | stew | chovy: did you see all the ways I told you that you could verify that you have the laatest kernel and about backports and suck? |
| 18:59.00 | stew | such* |
| 18:59.18 | chovy | stew: no. you asked me what uname -r was |
| 19:00.23 | stew | chovy: i did |
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| 19:00.58 | ceradon | I'm trying to install something via aptitude on Debian Linux. |
| 19:01.12 | stew | chovy: you asked this question in multiple places. here I asked for uname -r and what version of debian, you never answered which version of debian. other places I gave you a ton of information |
| 19:01.28 | ceradon | But aptitude isn't configure properly (This is a new install) |
| 19:01.43 | ceradon | When I run $ aptitude install znc |
| 19:01.44 | stew | chovy: why do you want to upgrade the kernel? |
| 19:01.49 | nkuttler | ceradon: pastebin the command + output |
| 19:01.50 | chovy | stew: how do i know what version of debian I have? |
| 19:02.03 | stew | chovy: what does "lsb_release -c" return? |
| 19:02.30 | chovy | stew: it's been about 6 months. Just wanted to get the latest.When I did this back then it was a couple of commands and pretty easy, I put it on my blog, but my blog got hacked and i lsot the posts, so i don't remember the steps. |
| 19:02.56 | chovy | stew: squeeze is whatw i have |
| 19:03.21 | ceradon | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/178947/ |
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| 19:03.24 | stew | chovy: what version of the linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 pacakge is installed? |
| 19:03.52 | nkuttler | ceradon: are you root? |
| 19:04.00 | ceradon | no. |
| 19:04.22 | nkuttler | ceradon: that was in the error message btw. how about trying it as root? |
| 19:04.28 | ceradon | How do Iogin to root? |
| 19:04.29 | chovy | stew: sorry, how do I know what version i have installed? |
| 19:04.33 | ceradon | login* |
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| 19:04.40 | nkuttler | ceradon: su |
| 19:04.46 | chovy | ceradon: sudo bash -l is what i do. |
| 19:05.06 | ceradon | I'm root |
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| 19:06.20 | stew | chovy: what does "cat /proc/version" return? |
| 19:06.54 | ceradon | How do I lose root status? Don't want to break anything. |
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| 19:07.58 | nkuttler | ceradon: exit or ctrl-d |
| 19:08.08 | ceradon | ok thanks |
| 19:08.32 | jhutchins_wk | chovy: exit will drop you back to the pre-su shell. |
| 19:08.37 | jhutchins_wk | chovy: or logout. |
| 19:09.07 | jhutchins_wk | Oops, that was for ceradon, and now I see nkuttler's answer. |
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| 19:14.59 | chovy | stew: Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-41) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 |
| 19:16.06 | BitPuffin | Shame thar ardour3 didn't get done before the freeze |
| 19:16.25 | BitPuffin | Now I'm gonna have to compile from source all the time :P |
| 19:16.45 | stew | chovy: show us the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 19:17.49 | chovy | stew: http://chovy.dyndns.org/test/apt |
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| 19:20.13 | stew | chovy: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" return? |
| 19:22.18 | chovy | http://chovy.dyndns.org/test/apt |
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| 19:22.26 | chovy | stew: ^ |
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| 19:23.04 | stew | chovy: so you have the latest kernel installed, but you aren't yet running it |
| 19:23.09 | stew | chovy: have you rebooted? |
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| 19:24.47 | chovy | no. i'm not sure. I didn't know, i figured 6 months and i would need ot upgrade it. |
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| 19:24.52 | chovy | let me reboot. |
| 19:25.00 | chovy | brb |
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| 19:26.22 | atrigent | does anyone know of a jabber/xmpp client which can pop up desktop notification for messages from chatrooms? |
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| 19:26.29 | atrigent | notifications |
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| 19:30.02 | craigevil | pretty much any IM client will do that, pidgin, kopete, empathy, telepathy, irssi, any irc client + bitlbee |
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| 19:30.02 | atrigent | no it won't |
| 19:30.02 | atrigent | I want notifications for chatrooms |
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| 19:30.10 | atrigent | pidgin doesn't do it, anyways |
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| 19:30.24 | atrigent | and again, desktop notifications |
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| 19:32.21 | stew | atrigent: is pidgin-libnotify installed? |
| 19:32.36 | atrigent | stew: yes, it doesn't notify for chatrooms |
| 19:32.39 | stew | ok |
| 19:33.29 | boudiccas | atrigent: i use pidgin and i get a flashing icon in the status tray when my nick is said and i'm not in the channel |
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| 19:34.35 | atrigent | boudiccas: yeah well I'd like the desktop notifications and I want it for every message |
| 19:34.57 | mdik | hi. ssmtp devs around? |
| 19:35.02 | boudiccas | atrigent: for /every/ message or just for those addressed to you? |
| 19:35.08 | atrigent | boudiccas, every message |
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| 19:37.10 | fasta | Can I see what the last installed debian package is somewhere? |
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| 19:37.30 | dondelelcaro | fasta: /var/log/dpkg.log or similar |
| 19:37.32 | boudiccas | atrigent: you dont always get what you want! and sometimes when you get what you want, you find its not really what you wanted in the first place! |
| 19:38.40 | atrigent | uh huh |
| 19:39.11 | stew | atrigent: perhaps look at the source for pidgin-libnotify, it might be a minor modification to get it to do what you want |
| 19:39.20 | ompaul | mdik: you may not need a dev, ask the channel a very specific question about what you want to achieve and see how you get on |
| 19:39.40 | JenniferB2 | folks, I have uniboot installed inorder to install debian from usb.. on the last step I am asked wether to install the grub boot loader ... yes, or no? |
| 19:39.40 | atrigent | stew: I did consider doing that... bleh |
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| 19:40.05 | boudiccas | JenniferB2: yes |
| 19:40.21 | mdik | ompaul: is there a way to configure it (a) so it works with passphrases (passwords with blanks) or (b) it asks the passphrase interactively |
| 19:40.22 | mdik | ? |
| 19:41.15 | ompaul | mdik: ask the channel |
| 19:41.23 | ompaul | and more details about what your setup is |
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| 19:42.11 | boudiccas | fasta: if you have logwatch installed, you will get a daily report which includes what has been installed and also removed |
| 19:43.07 | fasta | boudiccas: dondelelcaro had already answered the question. |
| 19:43.18 | mdik | dear channel, if you couldn't read, what i wrote ompaul (which i doubt), would you be able help me out on using passphrases (that is passworts with blanks) in a ssmtp setup (any ssmtp setup)? |
| 19:43.30 | boudiccas | fasta: that was just additional information for you |
| 19:44.02 | fasta | boudiccas: I understand, but please refrain from giving that next time. |
| 19:44.12 | fasta | boudiccas: restrain* |
| 19:44.29 | fasta | refrain* |
| 19:45.09 | Diopter | Either/or |
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| 19:48.50 | ompaul | of course if some versions of ssmtp are being interacted with they don't let you but some do however the lack of detail from our sarcastic op means that really I can't be bothered looking into it in any great detail (in theory you can use white space in practice a lot more info is needed, that being said gmail ssmtp forbids spaces) |
| 19:49.14 | ompaul | why theory - because the RFC says so |
| 19:49.17 | ompaul | meh |
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| 20:10.58 | jagginess | hi, looking for a closed server solution for hosting an mbox account.. (server is NATted and has no DNS/mx record links). I intend to mirror an isp mailbox account using fetchmail. I have no problem using smtp against the isp provider, but would like to keep an outbox copy in my local mbox. Is there an easy way to this? (I looked into exim but closest I can come to is mua_wrapper) |
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| 20:15.27 | gnarface | jagginess: i'm pretty sure you can do that with exim4 no problem. unfortunately it will take months of study. |
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| 20:17.46 | cusco | well |
| 20:17.57 | cusco | you could set up your client to do so... |
| 20:18.10 | cusco | to place outbox in a specified imap folder |
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| 20:23.35 | s3a | For this bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680694 ), could someone please help me understand what is going on with the "application indicators" and how it relates exactly with having the primary click behave as the secondary click? |
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| 20:32.44 | lime_ | Anyone have experience with text to speech in ubuntu? Specifically I am looking for a female voice. espeak are all highly robotic and male in /usr/share/espeak-date/voices |
| 20:33.04 | lime_ | Maybe a female voice that could be downloaded somewhere? |
| 20:33.21 | javvierHund | perve.. sorry dunno |
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| 20:34.48 | nkuttler | lime_: #ubuntu |
| 20:34.59 | lime_ | sorry wrong tab |
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| 20:36.43 | VampireTeddyBear | COCK |
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| 20:41.44 | cardamon | What's the command to get dpkg to tell ops someone needs a kick? |
| 20:41.57 | stew | cardamon: don't worry about this one |
| 20:42.53 | cardamon | I ask as much for future reference as anything. |
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| 20:43.09 | nkuttler | cardamon: !ops <your message> |
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| 20:43.42 | cardamon | Ah. |
| 20:43.44 | cardamon | Thanks. |
| 20:44.00 | nkuttler | cardamon: your message should contain who and why if necessary. and think hard before using it |
| 20:44.19 | cardamon | Will do. |
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| 20:44.42 | cardamon | I like it when this channel is helpful and ontopic. |
| 20:44.57 | stew | i mean, don't hesitate to use it if there is a problem, but keep in mind you are getting the attention of a lot of people by doing it |
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| 20:48.11 | Orphis | Does anybody have an idea on how to build a package with sbuild that uses openjdk-7-jdk and the JAVA_HOME env variable ? The package doesn't change the environment, so sbuild always fail |
| 20:49.11 | stew | Orphis: shouldn't this be captured in the package's control and rules files? |
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| 20:49.28 | Orphis | Aaaah, yes |
| 20:49.30 | stew | (though something that relies on JAVA_HOME should probably be fixed to not need that) |
| 20:50.01 | Orphis | ifeq ($(JAVA_HOME,) export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/BADJAVAHOME |
| 20:50.06 | Orphis | Just need to update that! |
| 20:50.29 | Orphis | stew: I agree, but it's an external package that has been repackaged, better not touch it much :p |
| 20:50.52 | stew | Orphis: and consider being more generic and build depending on "openjdk-7-jdk | java7-jdk" instead of strictly on openjdk-7-jdk unless that is really necessary |
| 20:51.05 | Orphis | stew: Already done ;) |
| 20:51.37 | Orphis | The initial package depended on the sun-jdk specifically before I fixed it |
| 20:52.11 | stew | and really? sbuild? |
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| 20:52.42 | Orphis | Yup |
| 20:53.07 | Orphis | I don't know how the version we had before was built though |
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| 20:53.34 | Orphis | We moved to sbuild after building that package and nobody cared to rebuild it |
| 20:53.48 | stew | most people just use pbuilder or cowbuilder which are simple to setup |
| 20:54.31 | Orphis | Well, considering we're building thousands of packages a day, we need something robust :p |
| 20:54.42 | stew | ah, ok |
| 20:54.54 | Orphis | sbuild works fine |
| 20:55.05 | Orphis | But there are some downsides too |
| 20:55.05 | stew | for "i'm building this one package", sbuild is probably overkill, this sounds different though :) |
| 20:55.14 | Orphis | True ^^ |
| 20:56.08 | Orphis | The big problem we have with all that, is that we retrigger a reindex automatically when we upload the debs to the internal repo |
| 20:56.17 | Orphis | That works |
| 20:56.31 | Orphis | But if some machine updates at the same time, there's a concurrency issue |
| 20:57.10 | Orphis | Like the Packages.gz is updated after it has read the Release file |
| 20:57.25 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: sounds like you might eventually want to use dak instead |
| 20:57.38 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: but that's even more complicated to set up |
| 20:57.40 | Orphis | Or the Release file is read after it has read the Release.gpg (can't wait to use InRelease for that) |
| 20:57.53 | stew | dak has recently gotten infinitely more easy to setup |
| 20:58.00 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: Yes, the documentation is quite lacking :p |
| 20:58.15 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, I saw that recently. |
| 20:58.28 | s3a | For this bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680694 ), could someone please help me understand what is going on with the "application indicators" and how it relates exactly with having the primary click behave as the secondary click? |
| 20:58.32 | Orphis | Right now it's a script that uses apt-ftparchive generate / release and then gpg to sign the Release |
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| 20:58.51 | Orphis | I'll have a look next week and dak again then |
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| 21:00.17 | Orphis | dondelelcaro: Does dak support synchronized updates ? I'd like to be able to ask for a reindex of the repo and know when it's done so I can rebuild all the packages that depend on the one that just got built |
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| 21:02.16 | dondelelcaro | Orphis: if you need to depend on the one that just built, it should probably be a build-depends |
| 21:02.37 | Orphis | It is |
| 21:02.55 | dondelelcaro | and a versioned one... |
| 21:03.02 | Orphis | But I want my build server to know when the package has been reindexed so it can trigger new builds using it |
| 21:03.20 | dondelelcaro | but yes, there are methods to trigger binary rebuilds |
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| 21:04.25 | Orphis | I'd prefer if it was decoupled and that my build server was able to manage that, it only needs to know when the build is in the repo |
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| 21:09.02 | r3m | hi is there a package that lets install deb package but with redhat tools? i need to learn the fedora rpm tools for an exam but i would like to keep my debian, my computer is bit too old to run it in vm |
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| 21:10.23 | r3m | s/redhat/fedora/ |
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| 21:12.46 | ompaul | Kamping_Kaiser: are you about? |
| 21:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpm is in debian |
| 21:13.09 | r3m | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks your right ! |
| 21:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian packages are debian packages... and you don't really want them outside the debian package management and inside a rpm database |
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| 21:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can install rpm packages inside debian... but of course that's problematic because they're two different systems using dependencies which don't know about each other |
| 21:15.16 | stew | you really don't want to be running rpm to install packages in debian |
| 21:15.23 | stew | does rpmstrap still exist? |
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| 21:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he only wants to play around with rpm... guess it's ok for the learning experience if you clean up the mess afterwards :P |
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| 21:17.45 | tremon | I'd debootstrap and play with rpm in a chroot |
| 21:19.07 | tremon | although... rpm --root ? |
| 21:19.42 | r3m | do you expect the next stable soon? |
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| 21:20.21 | tremon | !soon |
| 21:20.22 | dpkg | i guess soon is well before heat death |
| 21:20.32 | Diopter | "soon" is a mom word. |
| 21:20.38 | Diopter | It can mean literally any length of time. |
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| 21:22.11 | r3m | what will be the version of iceweasel in the next stable |
| 21:22.17 | kevlarman | soon is the unit of valve time :D |
| 21:22.17 | DropsOfSerenity | i get no sound in wine with 64 bit wheezy, in arch all I had to do was install the lib32-alsa-plugins, what do I do in debian to fix this problem? IT seems like pulseaudio is locking alsa out. |
| 21:22.28 | tremon | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:22.28 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-backports: 10.0.5esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.5esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.5esr-2; experimental: 13.0.1-2 |
| 21:22.36 | r3m | this bot is awesome |
| 21:22.38 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: libasound2-plugins:i386 |
| 21:22.50 | tremon | r3m: iceweasel will be 10.0 probably (the esr release) |
| 21:23.11 | r3m | damn 3 to 10 |
| 21:23.16 | Diopter | DropsOfSerenity: Try ia32-libs |
| 21:23.25 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, libasound2-plugins:i386 : Depends: libavcodec53:i386 (>= 6:0.8.2-2) but it is not going to be installed or |
| 21:23.25 | DropsOfSerenity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.25 | DropsOfSerenity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.36 | DropsOfSerenity | Diopter, already have ia32-libs |
| 21:23.50 | kevlarman | Diopter: ia32-libs doesn't work anymore |
| 21:23.53 | tremon | DropsOfSerenity: did you dpkg --add-architecture i386 ? |
| 21:23.59 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, yes, long time ago |
| 21:24.03 | Diopter | kevlarman: orly? |
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| 21:24.09 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, i'll try again though |
| 21:24.11 | maplesoft | what application is for console based torrents download? |
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| 21:24.26 | kevlarman | Diopter: lib32asound-plugins is gone (it wasn't in ia32-libs), libxi6 is too old, etc. |
| 21:24.27 | tremon | DropsOfSerenity: just check with dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 21:24.36 | kevlarman | Diopter: only way to do it is multiarch now |
| 21:24.41 | chovy | my debian box finally came back up |
| 21:24.42 | Diopter | kevlarman: Huh. Interesting. |
| 21:24.45 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 21:24.45 | DropsOfSerenity | i386 |
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| 21:25.34 | Diopter | kevlarman: Well that helps explain why I couldn't build the "build_monolithic" target for debian-installer |
| 21:25.48 | Diopter | Was complaining about being unable to install a variety of :i386 packages |
| 21:26.04 | tremon | DropsOfSerenity: what happens when you try to install the depends manually (e.g. apt-get install libavcodec-extra-53:i386) |
| 21:26.41 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, dependency hell |
| 21:26.46 | javvierHund | can you run debian i386 without a turbo button? |
| 21:27.09 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, libavcodec53:i386 : Depends: libopenjpeg2:i386 but it is not going to be installed |
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| 21:28.03 | Diopter | javvierHund: As long as you have the switch in the "more magic" position |
| 21:28.26 | tremon | DropsOfSerenity: do you have a mix of testing/sid packages perhaps? do testing and unstable have the same priority? |
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| 21:29.09 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, only have wheezy packages |
| 21:30.28 | tremon | hmm. Now if only aptitude were able to handle multiarch... |
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| 21:30.45 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: stop using aptitude |
| 21:30.48 | DropsOfSerenity | tremon, just tested, sound in game works when pulse is turned off |
| 21:30.51 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, i'm not |
| 21:30.57 | DropsOfSerenity | using apt |
| 21:31.04 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: then it should be working |
| 21:31.33 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, I want how it works in arch/ubuntu |
| 21:31.37 | DropsOfSerenity | where I don't have to turn off pulse |
| 21:31.52 | DropsOfSerenity | turning off pulse affects the rest of my applications, and I like to multitask. |
| 21:31.55 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: libasound2-plugins:i386 |
| 21:32.35 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, aptitude suggested a solution |
| 21:32.51 | kevlarman | what was it? |
| 21:32.54 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, I think it's because i install libxi6:i386 a while ago |
| 21:32.57 | DropsOfSerenity | it's suggesting to remove it |
| 21:33.09 | DropsOfSerenity | but I think I needed libxi6 for something, I forget what |
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| 21:33.17 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: that's just aptitude not supporting multiarch |
| 21:33.22 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: and you need that for wine |
| 21:33.30 | kevlarman | otherwise it crashes instead of grabbing the mouse |
| 21:33.48 | DropsOfSerenity | oh right, yeah wine things |
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| 21:35.32 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, so is there no solution to this issue? |
| 21:35.36 | DropsOfSerenity | I suppose I need both programs. |
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| 21:36.42 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, oh no I remember I got libxi6 for zsnes |
| 21:36.48 | DropsOfSerenity | pretty sure wine works without it. |
| 21:36.57 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: i ran into the same issue myself |
| 21:36.59 | kevlarman | it doesn't |
| 21:37.07 | kevlarman | the libxi6 in ia32-libs is too old |
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| 21:37.29 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: anything tries to grab the cursor and it crashes with memory corruption in glibc |
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| 21:37.45 | kevlarman | anything 32 bit* |
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| 21:37.59 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, did you end up fixing it? because it does work fine on ubuntu/arch |
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| 21:38.13 | Diopter | DropsOfSerenity: Ubuntu != Debian. Arch really != Debian. |
| 21:38.26 | DropsOfSerenity | i know |
| 21:38.30 | kevlarman | Diopter: in this case ubuntu is the same as debian |
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| 21:38.42 | dvs | blasphemy! |
| 21:38.45 | kevlarman | they just don't have ia32-libs so there is an explicit dependency on libxi6:i386 |
| 21:38.51 | DropsOfSerenity | but it just means it's possible. |
| 21:39.28 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, if I accept the solution can I test it? and then revert back if it doesn't work? |
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| 21:48.40 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, this problem has been around for months, when are the developers phasing out ia32-libs? where can i read on it |
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| 21:48.59 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: um, i believe it's gone in sid |
| 21:49.06 | kevlarman | ,versions ia32-libs |
| 21:49.08 | judd | No package named 'ia32-libs' was found in i386. |
| 21:49.32 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, any idea when it's migrating to wheezy? |
| 21:50.06 | kevlarman | nope it's still in sid |
| 21:50.13 | DropsOfSerenity | yeah I just looked it up |
| 21:51.14 | gnarface | has anyone here successfully used avconv to transcode (to anything) from commercial DVD VOB file? |
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| 21:51.23 | DropsOfSerenity | kind of frustrating, why does it work in ubuntu and not debian? |
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| 21:53.12 | tremon | gnarface: I'm using tccat/mkvmerge for that. package transcode is only available from dmo though |
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| 21:54.49 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, might have found a workaround, to install lib32asound2 package from squeeze. |
| 21:55.30 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: nope, too old |
| 21:55.41 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, the install worked |
| 21:55.48 | kevlarman | doesn't have features required to get wine to play with pulse |
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| 21:56.02 | kevlarman | you'll get sound randomly dropping out until you restart the program |
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| 21:56.41 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, yeah your right. |
| 21:57.13 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, oh no, now I can't get rid of it >_> |
| 21:57.25 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: serves you right :P |
| 21:57.32 | DropsOfSerenity | T_T |
| 21:57.46 | kevlarman | DropsOfSerenity: you're far better off finding someone who can figure out why libasound2-plugins:i386 own't install |
| 21:58.04 | s3a | For this bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680694 ), could someone please help me understand what is going on with the "application indicators" and how it relates exactly with having the primary click behave as the secondary click? |
| 21:59.11 | DropsOfSerenity | kevlarman, it wants to remove like everything |
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| 21:59.13 | kevlarman | s3a: secondary = right click, primary = left click |
| 21:59.35 | kevlarman | s3a: but those are swapped if you use a left handed mouse setup |
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| 22:02.54 | s3a | kevlarman, both primary and secondary clicks do perform the action of the secondary click |
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| 22:09.45 | born2troll | guys i installed a vpn. it now starts every time right when all the servers start. u know where it could be configured? |
| 22:10.24 | jordanm | born2troll: guess: update-rc.d openvpn remove -f |
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| 22:12.20 | born2troll | jordanm, seems to work. good guess |
| 22:12.38 | born2troll | jordanm, someone cleaned his crystal globe today :P |
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| 22:14.51 | jordanm | born2troll: I had to do it recently so it was fresh on my mind |
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| 22:17.28 | born2troll | jordanm, ye i hate people who spy on me too |
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| 22:21.48 | chomwitt | tailing syslog in my debian6 box i notice that after plugging my usb printer i get also messages about a usb mouse detected! |
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| 22:26.04 | simonlnu | there's a secret mouse connected to your printer? |
| 22:26.55 | nsadmin | and a secret squirrel is chasing it? |
| 22:27.01 | CareBear\ | try: lsusb -vt |
| 22:27.40 | simonlnu | personally i think it's a problem only if there's no usb mouse there ;) |
| 22:28.16 | simonlnu | otherwise who cares. just means it rescanned the hubs. |
| 22:29.18 | simonlnu | nsadmin: the squirrel would more likely chase down some nuts |
| 22:30.09 | simonlnu | (i'll leave the rest to your imagination, or lack thereof) |
| 22:30.38 | gnarface | ,versions libfaac |
| 22:30.40 | judd | No package named 'libfaac' was found in i386. |
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| 22:33.56 | nsadmin | simonlnu, which mice usually avoid? |
| 22:34.12 | simonlnu | yep |
| 22:35.11 | nsadmin | cronicals of narnia happens to be on the toob, and I just saw like 8 giant mice turning a gear |
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| 22:35.36 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 22:36.32 | nsadmin | gnarface, judd has "names" too, could help you |
| 22:37.11 | nsadmin | , names libfaac* |
| 22:37.23 | judd | Search for libfaac* in squeeze/i386: |
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| 22:37.44 | nsadmin | at least that says there isn't anything starting with that |
| 22:38.17 | nsadmin | names has a tendency to spew, so you might wanna /msg |
| 22:38.24 | Diopter | There's libaacs0 |
| 22:39.01 | nsadmin | , info libaacs0 |
| 22:39.02 | judd | No package named 'libaacs0' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:39.13 | nsadmin | well I guess not in squeeze |
| 22:39.43 | Diopter | Squeeze is so totally (nearly) Last releast |
| 22:39.46 | Diopter | Get with the program ;P |
| 22:40.01 | nsadmin | gets with hello.c |
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| 22:47.10 | gnarface | wow |
| 22:47.11 | nsadmin | Diopter, yeahwell I'm still happy with squeeze... having said that I do have a 2tb drive that's usually poweroff |
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| 22:47.35 | gnarface | is it possible that all this time mencoder has been a far better program than ffmpeg and avconv and i just didn't notice because the documentation is equally horrendous ? |
| 22:47.39 | nsadmin | I have a ubuntu I could replace |
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| 22:48.33 | Diopter | gnarface: It's pretty awesome. |
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| 22:51.56 | nsadmin | I'd say man page writing needs to step up and get its shit together |
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| 22:53.40 | nsadmin | gnarface, all those converter things have so many options, I don't see how it could be made user-less-hostile without splitting the command up |
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| 22:54.08 | doublehp | is there a .dav video reader under Linux ? |
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| 22:55.25 | TomCruise | is ther app for linux to convert text in image to actual text |
| 22:56.34 | dondelelcaro | TomCruise: there are a bunch, like tesseract, ocrad, etc. |
| 22:56.40 | petemc | gocr |
| 22:56.51 | engla | TomCruise: it's called ocr so that's a keyword to search for |
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| 22:58.11 | TomCruise | wich is best |
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| 22:59.21 | dondelelcaro | TomCruise: I think ocropus with tesseract is what a lot of work is going into, but I honestly don't know |
| 22:59.22 | doublehp | TomCruise: matter of taste |
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| 23:13.51 | eightbitbubsy | so I've installed Debian on a Mac Mini, gonna use it as a server thus I have no X11 installed. How can I change the resolution of the tty to something bigger? 1280x1024 if possible |
| 23:14.18 | nsadmin | eightbitbubsy, why do that, if you're just going to ssh in? |
| 23:14.32 | eightbitbubsy | because I have a screen connected to it :P |
| 23:14.33 | eightbitbubsy | on my desktop |
| 23:14.35 | nsadmin | also try VGA=ask on kernel command line |
| 23:14.36 | eightbitbubsy | fits nicely on there |
| 23:14.48 | nsadmin | and reboot |
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| 23:15.52 | leo-unglaub | hi friends, i just installed debian and have a huge problem with cryptsetup. because cryptsetup is setting the keyboard layout to english, but i am from germany and typing my more than 80 char password on a different keyboard layout is simply impossible.. |
| 23:16.00 | leo-unglaub | please can you tell me how to fix this |
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| 23:16.14 | leo-unglaub | the debian bug number is #669935 |
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| 23:17.12 | eightbitbubsy | nsadmin, on the kernel command line typing VGA=ask makes it try to boot a kernel named VGA=ask :P |
| 23:17.17 | eightbitbubsy | I'm not sure what the standard kernel is called |
| 23:17.21 | eightbitbubsy | I need that so I can pass the parameter to it |
| 23:17.37 | eightbitbubsy | Debian 6 PPC |
| 23:17.49 | nsadmin | eightbitbubsy, you put it -after- the kernel name,,, it's a -parameter- of the kernel |
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| 23:18.11 | eightbitbubsy | nsadmin, d'oh, read what I wrote :p |
| 23:18.17 | eightbitbubsy | I know that, but I don't know what the kernel name is |
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| 23:18.28 | nsadmin | it's not on the line you edited? |
| 23:18.44 | eightbitbubsy | oh I'm not in any editor, I'm in the "boot:" command line at the very beginning |
| 23:18.45 | eightbitbubsy | before pressing enter |
| 23:19.01 | eightbitbubsy | I thought you meant that one. |
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| 23:19.21 | dvs | then it's "linux vga=ask" |
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| 23:19.49 | eightbitbubsy | anyways what file do I edit so I can pass this parameter to the kernel all the time? |
| 23:20.05 | nsadmin | if it's like lilo you could try tab key,,, and you will probably then be able to confirm dvs's suggestion |
| 23:20.24 | benvei | i've created a openvz debian template. If i'm going to compile a program which is using SSL (openssl, gnutls) for e.g. inspircd, unter root it will find both, openssl and gnutls, but if i try to compile it with a normal user it will find nothing. :/ |
| 23:20.39 | nsadmin | eightbitbubsy, you don't want that particular one all the time, get the number of the one you want first |
| 23:20.47 | eightbitbubsy | ah ok |
| 23:20.49 | eightbitbubsy | let me do that now |
| 23:20.53 | nsadmin | say it's 42 |
| 23:21.13 | nsadmin | then you will permanently want linux vga=42 |
| 23:21.19 | eightbitbubsy | I see |
| 23:21.41 | eightbitbubsy | no, the kernel's not named linux |
| 23:21.46 | nsadmin | you of course have another temporary choice |
| 23:21.54 | nsadmin | ok, try tab key at boot prompt |
| 23:22.07 | eightbitbubsy | ah, it was Linux with a capital l |
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| 23:22.14 | eightbitbubsy | (tab listed it) |
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| 23:22.50 | eightbitbubsy | :( it didn't prompt for any resolution at all |
| 23:22.56 | eightbitbubsy | I typed Linux vga=ask |
| 23:23.00 | eightbitbubsy | maybe I need VGA instead of vga? Heh |
| 23:23.08 | nsadmin | eightbitbubsy, possibly |
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| 23:23.18 | nsadmin | did you try the tab key? |
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| 23:23.34 | eightbitbubsy | yeah it listed the kernel as Linux |
| 23:23.34 | gnarface | its a mac though |
| 23:23.37 | gnarface | openfirmware may not work that way |
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| 23:23.47 | eightbitbubsy | I'm booting with yaboot |
| 23:24.20 | eightbitbubsy | VGA=ask didn't prompt me either |
| 23:24.21 | nsadmin | eightbitbubsy, ok, great... so what if you boot with just Linux? does that work (but not change your res)? |
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| 23:24.27 | eightbitbubsy | yes |
| 23:24.31 | nsadmin | great |
| 23:24.45 | eightbitbubsy | how's that great? Linux VGA=ask did nothing :p |
| 23:24.54 | eightbitbubsy | I guess yaboot didn't like that parameter for some reason |
| 23:25.01 | eightbitbubsy | let me try to google a little |
| 23:25.19 | nsadmin | maybe that kernel doesn't have support for the parameter VGA |
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| 23:25.46 | gnarface | i thought as of grub2 its not supported |
| 23:25.52 | gnarface | but yaboot i got nothing on |
| 23:26.33 | nsadmin | gnarface, which not support? (same here, my shot in the dark of "try tab key" hit bullseye by accident) |
| 23:26.34 | gnarface | last time i tried this with yaboot it was on ppc hardware |
| 23:28.31 | gnarface | nsadmin: the vga=ask part... http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting i thought its been obsoleted by KMS as of squeeze |
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| 23:32.20 | eightbitbubsy | ppend="video=radeonfb:vmode:20" |
| 23:32.29 | eightbitbubsy | in yaboot.conf under the appropriate line |
| 23:32.30 | eightbitbubsy | testing it now |
| 23:32.33 | eightbitbubsy | append* |
| 23:32.44 | eightbitbubsy | found out that the video module is radeonfb |
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| 23:40.28 | nsadmin | eightbitbubsy, did that get you what you wanted? |
| 23:40.39 | eightbitbubsy | it did nothing :/ |
| 23:42.39 | nsadmin | what would you have to do to have the yaboot config changes to take effect on next boot? |
| 23:42.51 | eightbitbubsy | /usr/sbin/ybin |
| 23:43.10 | nsadmin | so it does kinda work like lilo |
| 23:45.04 | eightbitbubsy | append="video=radeonfb:1280x1024@60-32" |
| 23:45.14 | eightbitbubsy | ah, maybe it should be above initrd instead of below it |
| 23:45.37 | nsadmin | is there any way of looking at a log file to see what happened? |
| 23:45.59 | eightbitbubsy | if you ask me, I ask you :P |
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| 23:46.41 | nsadmin | I don't have the machine or one like it in front of me... so I offer this as a direction to try |
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| 23:49.32 | leo-unglaub | nobody an idea for my problem? |
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| 23:51.37 | nsadmin | leo-unglaub, is it a remote? |
| 23:51.49 | nsadmin | why have an 80 char passwd? |
| 23:52.26 | leo-unglaub | nsadmin: no, it's the passphrase for my crypted discs.. |
| 23:52.35 | leo-unglaub | it's local |
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| 23:52.55 | leo-unglaub | and it works, but it's hard to type in the password witch the special chars located on the us keyboard layout |
| 23:53.00 | Diopter | leo-unglaub: Look into changing the locale/keymap from grub? |
| 23:53.25 | leo-unglaub | Diopter: and how do i do that? |
| 23:54.33 | Diopter | leo-unglaub: With your eyes. And fingers. And probably google. |
| 23:55.41 | Diopter | leo-unglaub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/lang.html for instance |
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| 23:56.00 | doublehp | is there a .dav video reader under Linux ? |
| 23:56.30 | Diopter | leo-unglaub: Appears that there's a de.mo in /boot/grub/locale. So try lang=de, perhaps |
| 23:56.42 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: you around? |
| 23:57.09 | doublehp | Mr_Queue: no |
| 23:57.18 | leo-unglaub | Diopter: but the bug reports says, thats not a grub problem, they say it's a problem with initramfs |
| 23:57.19 | leo-unglaub | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669935 |
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| 23:57.49 | eightbitbubsy | meh, I'll just install xorg |
| 23:57.56 | eightbitbubsy | and set up this stuff through xorg.conf |
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| 23:58.33 | JenniferB2 | is debian more clean than ubuntu ... in terms on clean server install ( no gnome .. or desktop stuff ) ... i am thinking like bashrc and profile stuff, installation directories and etc ... or has ubuntu perhaps improved stuff in this area? |
| 23:58.41 | JenniferB2 | in terms of* |
| 23:59.17 | dondelelcaro | JenniferB2: in Debian you can easily only install the server packages that you want; user profiles and configuration files really don't have much to do with that |
| 23:59.27 | dvs | JenniferB2: You have to uncheck the "Desktop Environment" option during the installation |
| 23:59.37 | Diopter | leo-unglaub: Looks like the bug helps identify how to fix it manually |
