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| 00:00.59 | leo-unglaub | Diopter: hmm, in this case you havee read something different :) |
| 00:01.06 | leo-unglaub | i am seeing no solution there |
| 00:01.08 | Diopter | leo-unglaub: Go edit /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf, set KEYMAP=y, perhaps run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, then update-initramfs -u |
| 00:01.10 | leo-unglaub | or i am to low for it |
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| 00:09.42 | leo-unglaub | Diopter: it didn't worked |
| 00:09.59 | leo-unglaub | i had to figure out the ; chat on the us keyboard again |
| 00:10.06 | leo-unglaub | and y and z where also changes |
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| 00:33.14 | eightbitbubsy | where is dhcpcd located on the boot cd of debian netinst? |
| 00:33.34 | eightbitbubsy | going to a tty under the installer and issuing dhcpcd makes a "not found" reply |
| 00:34.01 | cthuluh | I believe the d-i doesn't use dhcpcd |
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| 00:34.08 | Diopter | eightbitbubsy: It uses dhclient |
| 00:34.08 | cthuluh | but I might be wrong |
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| 00:34.33 | cthuluh | doesn't it use the stuff built into busybox? |
| 00:34.37 | eightbitbubsy | I can't find dhclient either |
| 00:34.57 | bz | hi, why does nmap show port 1720 opened but filtered, even though i cannot locate the process holding it open in any of netstat, lsof, and fuser? |
| 00:35.01 | eightbitbubsy | ah nevermind |
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| 00:36.04 | cthuluh | bz: sudo netstat -natp | grep 1720 |
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| 00:37.51 | bz | ~$ sudo netstat -natp|grep 1720 |
| 00:37.55 | bz | ~$ |
| 00:37.55 | apt | somebody said $ was a dollar sign |
| 00:38.03 | dvs | heh |
| 00:39.20 | cthuluh | then I guess there's no process listening on that tcp port |
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| 00:39.43 | Diopter | bz: You should probably check whether iptables is REJECTing packets to that port. |
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| 00:39.57 | Diopter | bz: sudo iptables-save | grep -i reject, or grep 1720, etc |
| 00:40.02 | bz | Diopter: saw that suggests from google, did it |
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| 00:40.14 | bz | Diopter: i think this being a vps might be the issue |
| 00:42.10 | Diopter | bz: Ah. Meaning you aren't the only thing filtering your traffic :P |
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| 00:43.36 | kaushal | Hi |
| 00:43.43 | kaushal | Can i install my own pastebin service within my LAN subnet? |
| 00:44.19 | nsadmin | probably. check google for possibilities |
| 00:44.57 | kaushal | nsadmin: i did not find anything interesting |
| 00:45.10 | kaushal | nsadmin: any docs or howto? |
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| 00:47.35 | nsadmin | let's see. |
| 00:47.50 | nsadmin | what were your search terms? |
| 00:48.09 | kaushal | setup pastebin server linux |
| 00:48.22 | nsadmin | I'm about to try the exact text of your original question... |
| 00:48.29 | bz | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pastebin+server |
| 00:48.31 | bz | bam |
| 00:48.40 | mdik | how do i set the time on commandline? |
| 00:48.55 | kevlarman | mdik: date |
| 00:49.18 | kevlarman | or better yet set up an ntpd |
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| 00:49.48 | mdik | kevlarman: i have. now i need to set it up to yesterday for testing purposes (: (and thank you for the answer!) |
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| 00:50.03 | mdik | i only knew it for checking the time |
| 00:50.10 | kevlarman | mdik: ntpd refuses to make changes that large |
| 00:50.30 | bz | date -s yesterday |
| 00:51.57 | nsadmin | mdik, do you have internet 24/7? |
| 00:52.29 | mdik | yes |
| 00:52.37 | nsadmin | if so, use kevlarman's last suggestion, install ntp |
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| 00:53.00 | nsadmin | after that you might need to adjust your tz |
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| 00:54.42 | mdik | nsadmin: read my answer. i have. |
| 00:54.51 | mdik | my time is fine, thank you |
| 00:55.59 | mdik | but gpg is too clever to let me just try out some things (: |
| 00:56.13 | nsadmin | then you won't have to futz with date as you'll always have time synced with a radio or atomic clock |
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| 00:57.56 | IdleOne | !ops |
| 00:57.57 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 00:58.02 | simonlnu | !ops Snardbafulators |
| 00:58.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: Snardbafulators |
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| 00:58.32 | asciiker | hey |
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| 00:58.40 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 00:59.07 | asciiker | csf install nearly destroyed my directadmin control panel. in 30 seconds I was flooded with warning mails of all sorts |
| 00:59.27 | asciiker | what a mess |
| 01:00.35 | Diopter | asciiker: What were you trying to do with csf? |
| 01:01.28 | asciiker | this server doesn't have yet iptables. |
| 01:01.41 | asciiker | I'll be installing it, I went for the "fast and easy" |
| 01:02.57 | asciiker | and I learned that csf is not just an iptables interface |
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| 01:03.06 | asciiker | didn't read enough I guess |
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| 01:04.00 | Diopter | So... install iptables? |
| 01:05.23 | asciiker | Diopter, yup |
| 01:05.36 | asciiker | trying not to lock myself out |
| 01:07.10 | Diopter | asciiker: So learn how to use iptables :) |
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| 01:08.17 | nsadmin | asciiker, what kernel is running? if this is squeeze and this is a net-facing server, iptables is going to be importatn |
| 01:08.50 | asciiker | nsadmin: hi, this is the machine where openvz kernel lives |
| 01:09.17 | nsadmin | asciiker: is it 2.6+? |
| 01:09.34 | asciiker | nsadmin: 2.6.32-5-openvz-686 |
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| 01:10.09 | guampa | asciiker: use iptables-save and iptables-load, you can save the state of all rules to a file, and before trying something that could potentially lock you out, set up at/cron to load the "good" state after some minutes |
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| 01:10.15 | nsadmin | most of iptables is there, it's in the form of kernel modules,,, you would just need the userland tools |
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| 01:13.16 | asciiker | guampa: acording to the documentation it won't break open connections |
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| 01:15.59 | guampa | asciiker: iptables? yes it can break open connections. suppose you accidentally remove the rule accepting established-connection packets |
| 01:16.22 | guampa | and have INPUT policy to DROP |
| 01:16.35 | asciiker | guampa: I see what you're saying but I'm safe until iptables restart |
| 01:17.27 | Diopter | asciiker: No, you misunderstand what iptables is. |
| 01:17.46 | Diopter | asciiker: There's a set of userspace tools: iptables, iptables-save, iptables-restore |
| 01:18.14 | Diopter | asciiker: Those tools allow you to interact with netfilter in the kernel, and a variety of kernel modules which implement various iptables functionality |
| 01:18.40 | Diopter | asciiker: There's no daemon or iptables process. There's no restart. There's no delay. |
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| 01:18.54 | guampa | asciiker: what Diopters says implies that rule changes take effect immediately |
| 01:19.00 | Diopter | asciiker: If you run "iptables blah", and your action is accepted, it's immediate |
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| 01:20.17 | asciiker | wait a second |
| 01:20.36 | break19 | ok |
| 01:20.38 | break19 | times up |
| 01:21.38 | asciiker | I use iptables on centOS servers. I open ports via command line as such: iptables ADD XXXX etc and then I run iptables save. What you are saying is that the save parte is not "apply", it's just to save the rule on file ? |
| 01:21.58 | asciiker | so it's not lost on reboot |
| 01:22.08 | asciiker | I guess I did misunderstand it then |
| 01:22.59 | guampa | iptables-save dumps the iptables state to stdout. you can redirect it to a file with > or pipe it to some program, etc |
| 01:23.21 | Diopter | asciiker: Sounds like you've got some sort of wrapper script that's calling iptables-save and iptables-restore to save/load the rules to a file |
| 01:23.29 | guampa | iptables-load reads the same format on stdin and applies whatever state it gets to the firewall |
| 01:23.51 | Diopter | asciiker: But iptables-save does not "commit" the rules or anything similar. In fact, you can run it at any time without affecting the state of anything. |
| 01:23.56 | asciiker | Diopter, so what does "service iptables restart" do exactly? |
| 01:23.58 | Diopter | asciiker: Try it. "iptables-save". |
| 01:24.24 | Diopter | asciiker: If a distro *has* a service named iptables, it almost certainly just wraps iptables-save and iptables-restore to write/read a rules file |
| 01:24.44 | asciiker | Diopter: I don't mean iptables-save, I mean /etc/init.d/iptables save (not sure if it's the same thing) |
| 01:25.03 | Diopter | asciiker: I know what you mean, because that's what you said :) And I responded to that |
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| 01:25.24 | asciiker | I see what you mean. this is a wrapper yes |
| 01:25.27 | Diopter | asciiker: Go check the service script. less /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 01:26.54 | asciiker | Diopter: #!/bin/sh # # iptables Start iptables firewall and so on |
| 01:27.24 | Diopter | asciiker: I didn't really mean "paste what's there" :P Moreso go read it so you can see how it works |
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| 01:27.58 | asciiker | Diopter: yeah.. I am but this is on my centOS machine, I need this for debian |
| 01:28.09 | asciiker | where this file doesn't exist |
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| 01:28.52 | Diopter | asciiker: So why didn't you say that? lol |
| 01:28.54 | asciiker | doesn't seem to matter at first glance |
| 01:29.13 | Diopter | asciiker: Install iptables-persistent, and you'll have a service that's basically the same |
| 01:29.31 | asciiker | Diopter: I did state that I work with iptables but on CentOS Server. |
| 01:29.41 | asciiker | Diopter: thanks! |
| 01:29.51 | Diopter | asciiker: But you didn't say "How do I use iptables on Debian!", not that I saw at least :P |
| 01:30.10 | guampa | asciiker: it doesn't really matter, actually you can get away just fine with iptables-save/restore and a script called from /etc/rc.local |
| 01:30.18 | Diopter | Yep. |
| 01:30.42 | asciiker | Diopter: what I need really is to configure NAT, never done that before with iptables. |
| 01:30.57 | Diopter | asciiker: That's easy. What do you need to NAT? Incoming connections? Outgoing? Either? |
| 01:31.00 | asciiker | I have a VM on 10.0.0.1 |
| 01:31.21 | Diopter | asciiker: I presume you have IP forwarding enabled already? |
| 01:31.35 | asciiker | well, can you give me an example, say for port 1122 ---> 22 (SSH) |
| 01:32.09 | Diopter | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 1122 -d x.x.x.x -j DNAT --to-dest 10.0.0.1:22 |
| 01:32.15 | asciiker | Diopter: I have nothing, I'm installing and creating rules now |
| 01:32.36 | asciiker | Diopter: nice, thanks |
| 01:32.45 | karlpinc | asciiker: FWIW, I prefer using ferm to raw iptables. Even though ferm is no substitute for understanding iptables and it's syntax. |
| 01:33.20 | Diopter | asciiker: If that doesn't do what you want, make sure forwarding is on, which is also easy |
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| 01:33.38 | Diopter | asciiker: Uncomment "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" in /etc/sysctl.conf, then run sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 01:33.44 | asciiker | Diopter: what is that -d x.x.x.x ? |
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| 01:33.50 | Diopter | asciiker: Destination IP. |
| 01:33.52 | asciiker | server IP ? |
| 01:34.04 | asciiker | destination is 10.0.0.1 |
| 01:34.11 | asciiker | isn't it |
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| 01:34.57 | Diopter | asciiker: Probably not, no? I assumed 10.0.0.1 wasn't reachable from outside of the host the VM is on |
| 01:35.18 | Diopter | asciiker: Hence the need to NAT traffic coming into port 1122 (on the host) to port 22 (on the VM) |
| 01:35.58 | asciiker | the host doesn't have an internal IP like vmware host does. but I can ping 10.0.0.1 |
| 01:36.39 | Diopter | asciiker: Ok, let's take a step back. Where do you wan to ssh to port 1122 from? Outside of the host? From the host? |
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| 01:37.23 | asciiker | I want it to forwared to port 22 if the virtual machine |
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| 01:37.32 | asciiker | on the virtual machine |
| 01:37.32 | sanitypassing | debian just reported a kernel failure. WHAT DO |
| 01:37.48 | Diopter | asciiker: That's not what I asked :) Where do you want to ssh *from*? |
| 01:37.59 | asciiker | you know, like a home router setup |
| 01:38.17 | asciiker | 1122 --> 10.0.0.1:22 |
| 01:38.26 | Diopter | asciiker: Yes, but from where? Outside of the host? |
| 01:38.34 | asciiker | oh |
| 01:38.38 | asciiker | from anywherew |
| 01:38.50 | Diopter | asciiker: Well you don't need the DNAT on the host, because the host can hit 10.0.0.1:22. |
| 01:38.59 | Diopter | asciiker: So this question matters, which is why I keep asking it :P |
| 01:39.16 | Diopter | (also, you can't hit PREROUTING rules with locally-originating traffic that hits an IP on the same box) |
| 01:39.37 | asciiker | Diopter: I never thought about local traffic |
| 01:39.37 | Diopter | (locally-originating traffic goes OUTPUT->POSTROUTING in the NAT table) |
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| 01:40.07 | Diopter | asciiker: Cool, then ignore it. So use the rule I gave you, and set -d <your host's external IP> |
| 01:40.25 | Diopter | I.e., whatever IP *wherever else you want to ssh from* would use to hit your host |
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| 01:41.23 | asciiker | let me make sure: I can now use ssh -p 22 10.0.0.1 on the host, do I need to change anything ot be able to do ssh -p 1122 <HOST IP> locally |
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| 01:41.40 | asciiker | you know, if I feel like it |
| 01:42.34 | asciiker | but I see what you mean, I don't need DNAT |
| 01:43.24 | Diopter | asciiker: Yes. You'd have to add the same rule to the OUTPUT chain |
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| 01:43.40 | Diopter | If you really want a seamless ability to use the new port anywhere |
| 01:44.23 | Diopter | for i in PREROUTING OUTPUT; do sudo iptables -t nat -A $i -p tcp --dport 1122 -d $host -j DNAT --to-dest 10.0.0.1:22; done |
| 01:44.25 | Diopter | Type thing |
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| 01:47.04 | asciiker | Diopter: independant vm in this case, only need to allow access from the outside world |
| 01:47.23 | asciiker | Diopter: but thanks, this was good learning |
| 01:47.58 | Diopter | asciiker: Sure thing. For future reference, there's a #netfilter channel here that deals with nothing but this all the time :) |
| 01:48.18 | asciiker | Diopter: good to know :) |
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| 01:58.00 | nsadmin | asciiker, do you know about "Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides"? |
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| 01:59.21 | nsadmin | if not, google for that exact phrase, reading those will help you to understand netfilter/iptables |
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| 02:03.05 | Diopter | nsadmin: Rusty Russell is a giant among men |
| 02:03.12 | Diopter | nsadmin: Not the least of which for having a badass name |
| 02:05.00 | nsadmin | those guides are well written too |
| 02:05.53 | asciiker | Diopter: almost done here: should add the rule below: #Nat table $IPTABLES -t nat -F |
| 02:05.54 | asciiker | ? |
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| 02:07.05 | simonlnu | um, you probably want to have a flush rule first, not last |
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| 02:08.52 | nsadmin | if you have it last, you lose all iptables rules... so you make a rule, make anotehr rule, another, more, and then you flush... which means erase all rules |
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| 02:09.05 | Diopter | asciiker: Looks like you're trying to write a script. But if you're using iptables-persistent, you can just build the rules you want and "server iptables-persistent save" |
| 02:09.12 | Diopter | asciiker: Or edit /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 02:09.33 | simonlnu | "service" maybe? |
| 02:09.50 | Diopter | Er, yes, service. |
| 02:10.02 | simonlnu | yw |
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| 02:11.05 | asciiker | Diopter since iptables-persistent has almost nothing in there I got the script for directadmin, with all the required ports already configured. |
| 02:11.11 | asciiker | and there is the nat section |
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| 02:11.48 | Diopter | asciiker: Ah. Well, if you're going to use -F (flush), then just make sure you -I (insert) or -A (append) after it. |
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| 02:12.45 | asciiker | flush is in the beggining |
| 02:12.54 | asciiker | this looks good. just would like to know what: $IPTABLES -t nat -F means |
| 02:13.43 | nsadmin | asciiker, you have a reference, read it |
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| 02:14.20 | Diopter | asciiker: I actually just told you. -F (flush) was totally in my wordery. |
| 02:14.29 | Diopter | Read moar better |
| 02:15.04 | jparkton | lol |
| 02:15.12 | guampa | asciiker: from iptables --help : "--zero -Z [chain [rulenum]] Zero counters in chain or all chains" |
| 02:15.14 | jparkton | we need MOAR |
| 02:15.48 | jparkton | you have to admit though at times those man pages can be a bit daunting to novices |
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| 02:16.03 | Diopter | jparkton: Sure. But that's what the glory of / was created for |
| 02:16.32 | jparkton | Diopter: im too novice for that referance |
| 02:16.34 | nsadmin | jparkton, are you referring to iptables and its man pages? or to rusty's guides? |
| 02:16.36 | jparkton | is it /b/? |
| 02:16.37 | jparkton | lol |
| 02:16.50 | jparkton | nsadmin: man pages in general |
| 02:17.40 | jparkton | as in a novice user opens a man page to see how the command should be formulated and is sent into limbo with a bunch of words they cant understand |
| 02:17.57 | nsadmin | jparkton, what will happen if no irc channel member or list poster has any knowledge of what you could want to ask about? |
| 02:18.06 | jparkton | but I suppose they could google it but in that case why doesnt man $Package just say seek Google |
| 02:18.14 | Diopter | jparkton: hah. I moreso meant hitting / and typing, say, -F |
| 02:18.30 | simonlnu | because they're meant for local reference |
| 02:18.42 | jparkton | ok |
| 02:18.46 | nsadmin | jparkton, start exposing yourself to it, every day. -don't- worry that you don't initially understand, you're trying to gain a skill |
| 02:19.06 | Diopter | Ayerp |
| 02:19.07 | jparkton | but in my case I know absolutely nothing about IPtables, so I man iptables and I am greeted with randomness |
| 02:19.20 | Diopter | jparkton: If by randomness you mean gloriousness, I agree |
| 02:19.22 | jparkton | man rm |
| 02:19.34 | jparkton | derps around and rm - rf /* |
| 02:19.41 | jparkton | wont try that again I guess |
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| 02:20.06 | Diopter | jparkton: A really fun one is when you're trying to remove dotfiles, and you think that rm -rf .* is a good idea |
| 02:20.09 | Diopter | :D |
| 02:20.18 | jparkton | heh but I never have read the man page for rm lol |
| 02:20.26 | nsadmin | jparkton, yeah :) rm and chmod are too powerful |
| 02:20.30 | jparkton | so must explain with the -rf switches are |
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| 02:20.51 | nsadmin | jparkton, who must explain? |
| 02:21.03 | nsadmin | what must explain? |
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| 02:21.32 | jparkton | as in if jparkton had read the man rf pages he would assume indicated man pages would have some explaination of what the -rf switches are for |
| 02:21.38 | jparkton | comprende |
| 02:21.41 | nsadmin | now that you know what you're looking for in the rm man page (-r and -f), you just look those up |
| 02:21.55 | nsadmin | try looking |
| 02:21.57 | jparkton | I assume -r is recursive |
| 02:22.02 | jparkton | wow |
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| 02:22.10 | Diopter | mmhmm |
| 02:22.22 | nsadmin | what dist do you run? |
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| 02:22.42 | nsadmin | rm --version |
| 02:22.44 | jparkton | nsadmin: I was proposing a hypothetical rant about the usefullness of man pages as in "rtfm" to someone who has no experience with the subject matter of that command. |
| 02:23.29 | jparkton | I need no help removing files per say I was just stating the ambiguity of the man pages from the perspective of a new member of the linux community |
| 02:23.32 | jparkton | follow |
| 02:23.35 | nsadmin | jparkton, I'm not just advocating reading the pages and it stops there... you're reading in order to increase comprehension |
| 02:24.11 | jparkton | nvm lol |
| 02:24.42 | nsadmin | jparkton, got it. so are you saying you're actually experienced but feel for the beginning user? |
| 02:24.54 | jparkton | yessir |
| 02:25.30 | jparkton | Linux is very user friendly, it is just picky about its friends |
| 02:25.32 | jparkton | lol |
| 02:25.51 | nsadmin | and you deny that having a new person start reading man pages on a daily basis will increase their comprehension? |
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| 02:26.20 | jparkton | adimantly |
| 02:26.40 | jparkton | its like telling a programmer to read an RFC |
| 02:26.50 | jparkton | well I take that back |
| 02:26.55 | jparkton | lol |
| 02:27.32 | nsadmin | have you ever read an RFC in order to support your knowledge for the purpose of properly implementing a protocol? |
| 02:27.39 | jparkton | yup |
| 02:27.45 | jparkton | hence the take back |
| 02:27.48 | nsadmin | that's proof |
| 02:28.13 | jparkton | so lets propose a hypothetical |
| 02:28.23 | jparkton | some command I know nothing about |
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| 02:28.32 | jparkton | IPtables is a good one since I never have used it |
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| 02:28.37 | jparkton | except copy pasta |
| 02:28.45 | jparkton | man iptables |
| 02:29.20 | jparkton | -I, --insert chain [rulenum] rule-specification |
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| 02:29.35 | jparkton | I have no clue what that means in the least |
| 02:29.39 | nsadmin | jparkton, ok, first state your (hypothetical) purpose in reading man iptables (and, brb) |
| 02:29.49 | jparkton | insert chain, what is a chain though? |
| 02:29.54 | jparkton | what am I chaining? |
| 02:30.06 | nsadmin | let's see if you can find that info |
| 02:30.10 | jparkton | k |
| 02:30.21 | nsadmin | hint: last parameter |
| 02:30.34 | jparkton | google results for chain, pretty irrelevant to my need |
| 02:30.48 | jparkton | chain is metallic and used for pulling stuff? |
| 02:30.55 | guampa | you don't need google, the second paragraph in "DESCRIPTION" (first section of the manual) describes what a chain is |
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| 02:31.59 | nsadmin | jparkton, look at that one line you posted |
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| 02:32.24 | asciiker | all good |
| 02:32.35 | jparkton | Each chain is a list of rules which can match a set of packets |
| 02:32.48 | asciiker | one more: I want only local access to port 3000 from the host IP |
| 02:33.00 | jparkton | so as a complete novice to iptables, do I need a chain? |
| 02:33.07 | jparkton | dunno |
| 02:33.23 | Diopter | This is a somewhat painful discussion to watch. |
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| 02:33.59 | nsadmin | Diopter, I feel your pain |
| 02:34.00 | Diopter | First of all, iptables is a powerful tool. Almost all powerful tools are complex and nuanced, as well as generally full of features. |
| 02:34.19 | Diopter | Documenting such things is also difficult, and must be organized systematically. |
| 02:34.30 | Diopter | There's no good place to 'start' that's intuitive and user-friendly |
| 02:34.30 | jparkton | true |
| 02:34.37 | jparkton | bingo |
| 02:34.40 | jparkton | and why not? |
| 02:34.46 | Diopter | But that doesn't also mean that such documentation is entirely unapproachable if you work through it piece by piece |
| 02:34.54 | jparkton | because $Dev forgot he once knew nothing |
| 02:34.57 | Diopter | Just... that it's a significant time investment |
| 02:35.11 | Diopter | Full of jargon and background knowledge that's assumed |
| 02:35.19 | jparkton | yup |
| 02:35.31 | jparkton | and $Newb knows nothing about that stuff |
| 02:35.43 | jparkton | I suppose thats what IRC and forums are for though |
| 02:36.09 | Diopter | Pretty much. |
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| 02:36.23 | nsadmin | Diopter, right, and I'll go ahead and claim that's a somewhat more advanced skill than simply reading the reference docs to gain increased comprehension |
| 02:36.37 | Diopter | Then you get people like me who eat/shit/breathe iptables for a living who can walk asciiker's through where to start :P |
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| 02:37.00 | Diopter | I think the value of $community has always been underrated, even by the most ardent proponents |
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| 02:37.54 | nsadmin | I actually agree... and I also think there's a tradeoff with independence |
| 02:38.13 | jparkton | man iptables == seek out a professional therapist |
| 02:38.14 | jparkton | lol |
| 02:38.59 | Diopter | jparkton: man bash is worse |
| 02:39.00 | damian | community doesn't have much to do with independence |
| 02:39.01 | nsadmin | and at the same time, community + independence > community + having to train someone from scratch |
| 02:39.03 | jparkton | now maybe if I worked in some position where I was already familiar with the terminology and protocols etc it would be a lot more simple |
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| 02:39.14 | jparkton | Diopter: dont you know it |
| 02:39.26 | damian | you could saw order comes at the cost of independence |
| 02:39.29 | damian | say* |
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| 02:40.44 | nsadmin | damian, and so you don't believe that a conversation between (say) yourself and someone who has some knowledge and can easily add more at (say) your request makes things easier? |
| 02:41.25 | jparkton | nsadmin: always ask a pro |
| 02:41.42 | jparkton | unless you want to use a hammer to drive a screw |
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| 02:42.03 | damian | I didn't mean that, I interpreted what you said as "community limits your independence" |
| 02:42.12 | damian | I probably interpreted wrong :3 |
| 02:42.26 | nsadmin | jparkton, "always ask a pro" before doing some work on your own, right? that suggests KLB |
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| 02:43.12 | damian | or see if someone has already done it, instead of building your own :D |
| 02:43.36 | nsadmin | damian, oh, I guess it could be interpreted that way... but what I meant was, community interaction with newer folks is made easier if newer folks have some info gathering skills and use them |
| 02:44.05 | damian | nsadmin: I agree completely |
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| 02:45.06 | damian | ACK I got sidetracked |
| 02:45.14 | jparkton | SYN |
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| 02:47.32 | damian | lol |
| 02:47.36 | nsadmin | damian, so, interactions can be divided into two pieces, one where a new person is encouraged to start learning how to read ref docs, and the other where they use that skill to help solve their own issues |
| 02:47.46 | damian | what does that character mean? |
| 02:48.01 | nsadmin | there's a character? |
| 02:48.07 | damian | SYN |
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| 02:48.20 | nsadmin | he's trying to engage in some protocol |
| 02:48.22 | damian | it's the code for an ascii character |
| 02:48.50 | damian | though as you said, use your skills to seek information |
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| 02:49.07 | damian | the most efficient of which is to google/wiki it |
| 02:49.28 | damian | (I don't know if anyone say "wiki it") |
| 02:49.56 | zinx | no point, Google will point you to a wiki if it's needed |
| 02:49.59 | krisfremen | a |
| 02:50.33 | damian | true, but you can cut out the middle man and potentially get there faster if you search wikipedia directly |
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| 02:51.39 | damian | especially if you are linked to an irrelevant page "I'm looking for garden gnomes, not a desktop interface" |
| 02:52.06 | nsadmin | damian, the biggest problem with the method being trying to herd them into doing it |
| 02:52.13 | nsadmin | if they don't want to |
| 02:52.23 | nsadmin | that's where the hostility lie3s |
| 02:52.29 | damian | "them"? |
| 02:52.40 | nsadmin | new folks |
| 02:52.47 | jparkton | damian: googe SYN/ACK handshake |
| 02:52.49 | zinx | picks up the LART and takes aim |
| 02:53.37 | damian | oh, you're talking about how people new to searching may refuse it, not specifically wiki |
| 02:53.38 | simonlnu | 3-way tcp handshake |
| 02:54.04 | nsadmin | very rare, but if successful it leads to a threesome |
| 02:54.06 | damian | I already got it on my browser, but I'm talking too much to read it |
| 02:54.09 | jparkton | thar ya go |
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| 02:56.59 | asciiker | I have an issue with a debian vm: when I try to SSH into it I get : /bin/egrep: Cannot allocate memory |
| 02:57.51 | jparkton | asciiker: does it have anything to do with your port restriction in IPtables? |
| 02:57.54 | simonlnu | nsadmin: hehe |
| 02:59.12 | asciiker | no, I ruled that out, I'm getting this when trying to ssh from the host |
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| 03:00.14 | jparkton | asciiker: can you ping the server? |
| 03:00.26 | asciiker | jparkton: yes |
| 03:00.29 | asciiker | and it was working before |
| 03:00.53 | jparkton | I would try seeing what is sucking up all your CPU |
| 03:01.02 | jparkton | is it running a MySQL server? |
| 03:01.06 | asciiker | note: this is a 64 MB RAM lab node |
| 03:01.14 | damian | that was neat, I never tried doing "ssh localhost" |
| 03:01.16 | asciiker | jparkton: it's running ....ssh server :) |
| 03:01.21 | simonlnu | does it have swap? |
| 03:01.40 | asciiker | I used a minimal install, not sure |
| 03:02.13 | simonlnu | cat /proc/swaps or /sbin/swapon -s |
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| 03:02.38 | damian | since I install openssh-server to get ssh access to a computer, is there another version of ssh, possibly something coming before openssh? |
| 03:02.41 | asciiker | -bash-3.2# cat /proc/swaps Filename Type Size Used Priority -bash-3.2# |
| 03:02.53 | asciiker | I get nothing |
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| 03:03.07 | simonlnu | just needed to tell us if there is any or not :) |
| 03:03.10 | jparkton | damian: telnet? |
| 03:03.12 | zinx | the precise error seems more like a red herring :/ |
| 03:03.25 | asciiker | simonlnu: df shows no swap |
| 03:03.29 | zinx | i wouldn't be entirely surprised if dmesg showed something |
| 03:03.30 | asciiker | can I create it now? |
| 03:03.37 | simonlnu | it's possible, but it being a vm i thought it might be relevant |
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| 03:03.48 | jparkton | usually is |
| 03:04.07 | jparkton | or lsof |
| 03:04.07 | damian | jparkton: but that wouldn't be ssh then, you would be better off suggesting rsh at that point |
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| 03:04.23 | simonlnu | df wouldn't show swap |
| 03:04.33 | asciiker | I'm using a debian 6 openvz image that I can reload... problem is that it doesn't create the swap partition |
| 03:04.36 | jparkton | damin you asked "possibly something coming before openssh?" |
| 03:04.45 | jparkton | answer is telnet |
| 03:04.46 | jparkton | :P |
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| 03:05.55 | asciiker | simonlnu: and I still can't access openvz from the outside world :( |
| 03:06.01 | asciiker | every other rule is working great |
| 03:06.15 | jparkton | asciiker: virtualbox? |
| 03:06.25 | asciiker | jparkton: openvz |
| 03:06.43 | damian | jparkton: well there are several web and ftp servers that use the same protocols |
| 03:06.47 | jparkton | does it have something to do with the networking? |
| 03:06.57 | nsadmin | telnet is a good tool... telnetd is not |
| 03:07.06 | jparkton | interface to the VM |
| 03:07.24 | damian | I figured there might be a reason why it is called OPENssh-server, was there a closed one? |
| 03:07.36 | sney | maybe you could host a virtual ttyS0 and use minicom to control it. |
| 03:07.49 | jparkton | yeah, intranet |
| 03:07.52 | jparkton | lol |
| 03:07.53 | asciiker | IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d xx.xx.xx.xx --dport 2255 -i eth0 -j DNAT --to-destination yy.yy.yy.yy:22 what's wrong with this ? |
| 03:08.00 | sney | damian: well, it was developed by the same people who made openbsd, so I always just understood that to be the connection |
| 03:08.15 | damian | ah, that would make sense |
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| 03:09.23 | Diopter | asciiker: Assuming xx.xx.xx.xx is an IP actually on eth0, nothing ostensibly |
| 03:09.59 | asciiker | Diopter: it is, public ip and the yyy is the internal 10.0.0.10 |
| 03:10.09 | asciiker | looks good right? ....pissing me off |
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| 03:10.53 | Diopter | asciiker: So, are you testing it by connecting from the same box that has this iptables rule on it? |
| 03:11.03 | asciiker | Diopter: I don't have port 3000 referenced on any other rule... I don't need to right? |
| 03:11.23 | Diopter | asciiker: Not sure where port 3000 came from, your rule says port 2255 -> 22 |
| 03:11.26 | asciiker | Diopter: from the host I can ssh into the virtual node yes... but not from the outside |
| 03:11.45 | asciiker | Diopter: sorry... I had to open that just now for openvz webpanel |
| 03:11.50 | asciiker | and it's working also. |
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| 03:12.34 | jparkton | is it a bridged connection/NAT/? |
| 03:12.41 | jparkton | LAN only |
| 03:12.46 | asciiker | NAT |
| 03:12.48 | Diopter | asciiker: So, other DNATs to the VM are working? |
| 03:12.54 | jparkton | whats the IP |
| 03:13.06 | asciiker | this is the only VM without an IP / Bridge |
| 03:13.14 | asciiker | it's the only nat |
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| 03:13.33 | jparkton | I dont believe NAT allows it |
| 03:13.39 | jparkton | might be erroneous |
| 03:13.49 | Diopter | asciiker: ... without an IP/bridge? lolwat? Ok, here, pastebin me "ip a; ip r; brctl show; iptables-save" |
| 03:14.11 | Diopter | asciiker: That way I can see all the relevant networking information you're likely to have going on |
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| 03:14.31 | jparkton | plus I might be wrong but I think in VM x.0.0.x is the gateway IP |
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| 03:15.56 | Diopter | asciiker: If you insist on sanitizing the output before you share it, you need to at least give me something like x.x.1.2, so I can see the last few octets to distinguish networks and hosts |
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| 03:16.22 | asciiker | Diopter: yes, Bridged connectios have their own ip as you know...... do I need this: modprobe ip_conntrack ip_conntrack_enable_ve0=1 it's on the openvz documentation for debian hosts |
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| 03:16.54 | Diopter | asciiker: Conntrack modules will get loaded automatically when you add NAT target rules. |
| 03:17.22 | asciiker | Diopter: I can tell you how the network works, but why is the IP necessary since it's a regular public IP |
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| 03:17.50 | Diopter | asciiker: Because you might be wrong about how the network works. Thus far, according to how you think it works, your rules are fine |
| 03:18.16 | Diopter | asciiker: So instead of assuming you know what you have, I'd rather see the actual system. |
| 03:19.24 | asciiker | Diopter, the host has 5 IP's eth0 eth0:0 :1 :2 and so on |
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| 03:19.55 | Diopter | asciiker: Which I can see in an intelligent, correct, useful way from "ip a" |
| 03:20.11 | Diopter | Something ifconfig fails at miserably, as evidenced by you specifying eth0:? aliases |
| 03:20.21 | asciiker | after that there are 5 more IP's that are configured on each VM (5 of them) and this is number 6 , no IP to spare |
| 03:20.39 | Diopter | You seem to be under the impression that I want you to describe your network to me more |
| 03:20.45 | Diopter | I want you to give me a pastebin :P |
| 03:21.06 | asciiker | ok, what do you want to see ? |
| 03:21.27 | asciiker | which command should I run ' |
| 03:22.10 | nsadmin | finds some elmer's glue-all, some superglue, a coupla horses and 50 pounds of that kiddie paste, throws it into a bucket and hands it to Diopter |
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| 03:24.40 | Diopter | nsadmin: Just right! |
| 03:25.30 | break19 | breakfast? |
| 03:25.33 | Diopter | asciiker: I told you already :( |
| 03:25.51 | nsadmin | break19, pastebin. |
| 03:26.46 | Diopter | asciiker: "ip a; ip r; brctl show; iptables-save". Maybe even "sysctl -a | grep ip_forward" to verify |
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| 03:30.42 | asciiker | Diopter: I missed it yes. 1 min |
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| 03:31.48 | asciiker | sysctl -a | grep ip_forward error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.route.flush' |
| 03:31.52 | asciiker | good call |
| 03:33.26 | nsadmin | asciiker, send that to the pastebin... then you can look at this: sysctl -a | less <enter> /ip_forward error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.route.flush' |
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| 03:34.17 | nsadmin | asciiker, oh, that thing you have after the grep won't work without being quoted |
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| 03:43.35 | heathkid | hello |
| 03:44.04 | heathkid | is there a dedicated channel for the Raspberry Pi yet? |
| 03:44.29 | stew | heathkid: /msg alis help |
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| 03:47.44 | damian | heathkid: #raspberrypi #raspberrypi-dev #raspian |
| 03:48.13 | heathkid | thanks! |
| 03:48.19 | damian | my client (xchat) lets me search/list all the channels |
| 03:48.47 | heathkid | nice! |
| 03:49.00 | damian | #raspian is debian for raspberry if you don't already know that |
| 03:50.02 | damian | I think I'll join it as well, I've been wanting to get one and make a quadrocopter |
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| 03:56.48 | r3m | `v awesome |
| 03:56.55 | r3m | 'v awesome |
| 03:57.02 | r3m | how it work :/ |
| 03:57.22 | damian | heh? |
| 03:57.31 | r3m | `v iceweasel |
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| 03:58.13 | r3m | Diopter: how the version command works please |
| 03:58.56 | r3m | ,v awesome |
| 03:58.58 | judd | Package: awesome on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.4.6-1; sid: 3.4.12-2; wheezy: 3.4.12-2 |
| 03:59.34 | damian | ,v gimp |
| 03:59.35 | judd | Package: gimp on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.6.10-1+squeeze3; sid: 2.8.0-2+b1; wheezy: 2.8.0-2+b1 |
| 03:59.38 | damian | neat |
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| 04:00.06 | r3m | its useful, i want to fix the conf file for the next version |
| 04:00.40 | nsadmin | also possible /msg judd versions awesome |
| 04:01.14 | r3m | nsadmin: thanks |
| 04:01.18 | damian | this is far more convenient than going up to the site and searching |
| 04:01.27 | r3m | damian: a lot |
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| 04:01.38 | scientes | my btrfs root just borked on me, HALP! |
| 04:01.50 | damian | has it worked before? |
| 04:02.15 | damian | and is your boot folder on a separate partition? |
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| 04:04.16 | Diopter | scientes: Elaborate |
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| 04:05.35 | scientes | I get kernel oops on mounting |
| 04:05.47 | scientes | and the fsck tool prints out lots of stuff |
| 04:05.51 | Diopter | scientes: Yikes. |
| 04:06.14 | Diopter | scientes: Sounds like you should be finding a #btrfs channel somewhere, and/or trolling mailing lists and bug trackers |
| 04:06.25 | scientes | yes im in #btrfs chnnel |
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| 04:07.06 | BWMerlin | I am trying to install debian onto a Dell 2850 but for the life of me I don't seem to be able to get it to boot from the dvd drive |
| 04:07.27 | BWMerlin | i have set the boot order with the cd drive being first but it skips right over it and boots the OS |
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| 04:12.03 | Diopter | BWMerlin: Which image did you get and how did you write it, to what media? |
| 04:12.19 | BWMerlin | amd64 |
| 04:12.30 | BWMerlin | burnt it to dvd using xfburn |
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| 04:13.01 | Diopter | BWMerlin: There's probably 30 amd64 images :P |
| 04:13.51 | BWMerlin | debian-6.0.5-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 04:15.16 | BWMerlin | I tired reburning the ISO and tried two different machines, another 2850 and a 755, works on the 755 but not the servers |
| 04:16.15 | Diopter | BWMerlin: Ok. Looks like you can boot from a USB key on a 2850 |
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| 04:16.19 | Diopter | http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/servers/f/956/p/19367431/19832729.aspx |
| 04:16.30 | Diopter | Might want to give that a try, with just dd'ing the .iso to the usb stick |
| 04:16.32 | damian | BWMerlin: I had this problem as well while trying to test LMDE on my USB, you have to turn of fast boot in bios |
| 04:16.44 | BWMerlin | Diopter: I tried that first but then it complained that the "CD" was bad |
| 04:17.05 | damian | though if your computer have fast boot, then I dunno the problem... |
| 04:17.12 | damian | doesn't* |
| 04:17.25 | Diopter | BWMerlin: Did you write the .iso with just dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M, type thing? |
| 04:17.33 | Diopter | BWMerlin: i.e., not writing to a partition, just the bare stick device |
| 04:18.39 | BWMerlin | Diopter: I used a windows programme called rufus to make the bootable usb |
| 04:18.53 | damian | practically all the new computers seem to have fast boot, what it does is ignore all devices except the harddrive |
| 04:19.05 | Diopter | BWMerlin: Oh. Windows. |
| 04:19.46 | Diopter | BWMerlin: |
| 04:19.49 | Diopter | http://www.chrysocome.net/downloads/dd-0.6beta3.zip :P |
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| 04:20.27 | damian | I wish more of the raw tools were ported to windows, like grub-install |
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| 04:20.40 | BWMerlin | Diopter: I am on my linux laptop atm |
| 04:21.25 | damian | once I have grub installed, all I have to do is put the iso on the device and add an entry to grub.cfg |
| 04:23.22 | damian | much cleaner than unetbootin, easier than dd (you have to repartition/reorganize), and you can share the ISO without taking extra space |
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| 04:23.53 | damian | now I just have to get around to making a GUI |
| 04:26.47 | damian | for the people that don't want to figure out how to find their device's /dev/, use grub-install, and add a grub entry (maybe even add small bittorrent client) |
| 04:28.57 | sney | damian, that would be pretty cool if you do it. |
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| 04:29.50 | sney | hybrid images are the bomb but there's that... learning curve, I guess. it's more like language difficulties |
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| 04:35.00 | BWMerlin | I am trying this http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 04:35.15 | BWMerlin | the tricking part is finding the usb device name |
| 04:35.24 | BWMerlin | let us see how this goes |
| 04:35.37 | damian | I'm even thinking about hosting a database for it so that people can collaborate on working menu entries |
| 04:35.42 | damian | I gotta go |
| 04:35.46 | Diopter | BWMerlin: lsblk |
| 04:35.52 | damian | ty |
| 04:35.55 | BWMerlin | ? |
| 04:36.10 | Diopter | BWMerlin: Type it. Or ls -la /dev/disk/by-path |
| 04:36.15 | Diopter | BWMerlin: To help you identify the usb device name |
| 04:36.26 | BWMerlin | i used dmesg |
| 04:36.29 | Diopter | Or that |
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| 04:36.53 | BWMerlin | it is easy to see why linux can be overwhelming |
| 04:40.01 | Diopter | Everything's overwhelming when you it's unfamiliar and you drink from the firehose |
| 04:40.11 | sney | ^ |
| 04:40.19 | sney | minus the first 'you' |
| 04:40.41 | Diopter | If I could only l2type it'd be great. |
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| 04:50.45 | funyun | hi. noob here. can anyone tell me the command to use rename and change the space in files to a period? |
| 04:50.45 | karlpinc | Diopter: lsblk? Does not seem to be in squeeze. |
| 04:51.11 | karlpinc | funyun: For one file, for all the files everywhere? |
| 04:51.27 | karlpinc | funyun: In file names? in file content? |
| 04:51.40 | funyun | karlpinc: for all files in that specific dir |
| 04:51.54 | funyun | file names |
| 04:52.03 | karlpinc | funyun: Any subdirs? |
| 04:52.10 | funyun | nope |
| 04:52.13 | Diopter | karlpinc: Really? That's so sad. It's an awesome tool |
| 04:52.29 | karlpinc | Diopter: I can't find it with apt-file. My brain could be broken.... |
| 04:52.46 | Diopter | karlpinc: It's in util-linux on wheezy |
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| 04:56.15 | peterrooney | funyun: rename (part of perl package). i.e. rename ' s/ /./g ' * |
| 04:56.34 | funyun | peterrooney: thanks so much :) |
| 04:56.51 | elementary-site1 | Why is my computer not showing the log in screen, but rather a full screen terminal with the words "acpid: 1 client rule loaded" after I updated the nvidia drivers? |
| 04:56.51 | karlpinc | peterrooney: Sounds simpler than the find I was working on: funyun: find /some/dir -type f -name '* *' -print0 | xargs ... |
| 04:57.20 | peterrooney | karlpinc: I'm all about the lazy |
| 04:57.29 | funyun | karlpinc: thanks for your effort :) |
| 04:57.37 | karlpinc | peterrooney: It's a virtue. |
| 04:57.49 | karlpinc | peterrooney: I always forget about rename. |
| 04:58.02 | peterrooney | technically, it's a dpkg alternative, but I can't imagine any other program taking its place |
| 04:58.35 | simonlnu | elementary-site1: that acpid thing you can ignore |
| 04:58.45 | simonlnu | that's not an error... |
| 04:59.02 | elementary-site1 | so what should I do then? because I cant get to my desktop |
| 04:59.46 | peterrooney | leading to an abstract question: how can you find which packages provide alternatives to a particular alternative? |
| 04:59.53 | simonlnu | start by telling people what's going on, and what you've done to resolve it, if anything. |
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| 05:00.51 | stew | peterrooney: often they all provide some virtual package, for example, x-window-manager. if that is the case, you can "aptitude search '~Px-window-manager'" for pakages which Provide this virtual package |
| 05:01.00 | BWMerlin | Diopter: DD etc seems to have done the trick |
| 05:01.17 | Diopter | BWMerlin: Excellent. Usually does |
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| 05:02.10 | stew | or "aptitude search '?provides(x-window-manager)'" for the more verbosely inclined |
| 05:02.15 | elementary-site1 | okay, well I tried to update my computers nvidia graphics card drivers, because the desktop screen after login was all pixellated, so I booted into safe mode and entered "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current", and now instead of showing the login screen its just black screen with the text "acpid: 1 client rule loaded", how can I fxix this? |
| 05:03.36 | simonlnu | paste bin your Xorg log ( /var/log/Xorg.0.log ) |
| 05:03.59 | elementary-site1 | how do i get that if all i can see is terminal? |
| 05:04.49 | simonlnu | !pastebinit |
| 05:04.49 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 05:05.32 | elementary-site1 | but I cant log in, so how can i open xorg.0.log? |
| 05:05.48 | peterrooney | !pastebin.com |
| 05:05.48 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:06.01 | simonlnu | you can't at all? not on console? try alt-F1 |
| 05:06.19 | elementary-site1 | nothing |
| 05:06.43 | sney | man, I made that pastebin.com factoid forever ago, it still kinda tickles me when people use it. /ot |
| 05:06.48 | simonlnu | no prompt? well, something else is up then ;) |
| 05:07.06 | elementary-site1 | yeah, I guess so |
| 05:07.57 | simonlnu | go to single user, and log in as root at the prompt (it'll ask for root's password anyway), and then you can "su - youruser" to pastebin |
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| 05:08.11 | pi_ | hey gang, i bumped into what appears to be debbug #676918, but not sure how to proceed |
| 05:08.20 | simonlnu | sney: it's rather popular lately |
| 05:08.52 | simonlnu | OT: i usually go in with w3m, i don't see the captcha |
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| 05:09.05 | simonlnu | (or the ads) |
| 05:09.06 | sney | it's kind of a contradiction since pastebinit in squeeze defaults to pastebin.com, but afaik that doesn't even work since they changed the api |
| 05:09.34 | simonlnu | defaults to paste.d.n in wheezy |
| 05:09.48 | sney | aye, as it should have at least 1 release earlier |
| 05:09.56 | simonlnu | yeh, heh |
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| 05:27.01 | BWMerlin | when using apt-get I want to install wine |
| 05:27.14 | BWMerlin | when I use tab complete it list many versions of wine |
| 05:27.44 | BWMerlin | if i was to just choose wine with no version will that give me the latest version or do i have to choose the latest version? |
| 05:28.15 | r3m | nsadmin: could i download the bot that tell version of package |
| 05:29.03 | nsadmin | you could get apt-file |
| 05:29.18 | r3m | nsadmin: ok merci |
| 05:29.19 | nsadmin | then you won't need a bot |
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| 05:33.32 | nsadmin | , v wine |
| 05:33.34 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-2 |
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| 05:35.04 | nsadmin | those are the available versions... they are each tied to a specific release of debian |
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| 05:36.26 | nsadmin | , v squeak |
| 05:36.28 | judd | No package named 'squeak' was found in i386. |
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| 05:45.33 | pi_ | i'm trying to install skype on unstable under an amd64 machine, but neither of the methods described at http://wiki.debian.org/skype work for me |
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| 05:49.51 | pi_ | using the multiarch way i hit debian bug #676918, and when trying to install the non-multi-arch way, it wants ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and says the -i386 version of those aren't installable |
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| 06:06.50 | oops | How to display not equivalent in LaTeX. \nequiv doesn't exist. Any other way? |
| 06:08.45 | tzarc | \notequiv? |
| 06:09.05 | tzarc | or \not \equiv |
| 06:09.14 | tzarc | been a while since I used LaTeX :P |
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| 06:11.10 | ilius | tzarc: i never learned it for the same reason, no college, no papers, no printing... |
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| 06:12.16 | tzarc | oh I had to use it for my thesis |
| 06:12.27 | tzarc | but that was quite a few years ago |
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| 06:13.09 | ilius | that would worth it |
| 06:13.17 | micket | oops: You can always check this with detexify |
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| 06:13.34 | oops | micket, thanks |
| 06:13.48 | micket | (\neq b.t.w) |
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| 06:14.37 | tzarc | that's not equal, no? didn't they want not equivalent? |
| 06:14.39 | oops | \not\equiv |
| 06:14.46 | oops | detexify is great! thanks. |
| 06:15.30 | micket | tzarc: ? No. \neq = not equal. |
| 06:15.45 | tzarc | yeah, they wanted not equiv |
| 06:15.49 | tzarc | argh, too many nots |
| 06:15.50 | tzarc | lol |
| 06:16.12 | micket | ah. I misread. |
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| 06:17.01 | tzarc | hmmm, detexify is cool |
| 06:17.19 | tzarc | files away for future usage |
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| 06:19.46 | funkadelic | If a script is started from /etc/rc.local, and it writes to >OutputFileWithoutFullPath, will it write to a file inside /etc/? |
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| 06:20.50 | funkadelic | like the rc.local could say echo hi >file. Would the file "file" be written in /etc/? |
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| 06:24.42 | dondelelcaro | funkadelic: probably not |
| 06:25.03 | dondelelcaro | funkadelic: it'll write to whatever the current working directory is, which is probably /, but could be something else random |
| 06:25.03 | funkadelic | Where would it be written to, any idea? |
| 06:25.14 | funkadelic | oh |
| 06:25.38 | dondelelcaro | that's why you don't use relative paths |
| 06:25.55 | funkadelic | That sounds like a good suggestion |
| 06:26.16 | funkadelic | What happens to files in /tmp? Do they get deleted after a while? |
| 06:26.28 | funkadelic | I'm trying to figure out what I should do with these random files |
| 06:29.20 | dondelelcaro | funkadelic: /tmp by default is cleared on reboot, iirc. |
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| 06:29.34 | funkadelic | Oh sweet |
| 06:32.24 | gnarface | does debian actually flush /tmp on reboot now? i remember there was a time that was happening on my openbsd systems but not on my linux ones |
| 06:34.09 | dondelelcaro | not sure, now that I think about it and check |
| 06:35.03 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it should be |
| 06:35.25 | dondelelcaro | /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh and /lib/init/bootclean.sh |
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| 06:42.10 | bbqgates | Does anyone in here have experience installing AMD APP SDK on squeeze? |
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| 06:42.24 | bbqgates | I'm getting a ldconfig error when I install the sdk |
| 06:42.38 | bbqgates | ldconfig: Can't stat /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu: No such file or directory |
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| 06:43.35 | bbqgates | I'm thinking the sdk is just not linking to the opencl libraries.... I probably need to use the LN command to link something, but I'm not sure how to do it |
| 06:44.55 | bbqgates | any ideas? |
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| 06:57.47 | aum | help - i've screwed up apt badly, from trying to upgrade from lenny to unstable - refer http://pastie.org/4254175 - any ideas to regain sanity? |
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| 06:58.48 | boudiccas | aum: the recommened way is lenny to squeeze and then to wheezy. but seeing as you've screwed up your system, backup and install squeeze |
| 06:59.02 | aum | boudiccas, can't backup - machine is a cheap vps |
| 06:59.04 | boudiccas | recommended |
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| 07:00.27 | boudiccas | aum: okay, dont backup then and lose data, just install squeeze |
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| 07:01.01 | aum | boudiccas, how do i do that? apt won't install anything, demands i do apt-get -f install, but apt-get -f install wants to uninstall apt |
| 07:01.29 | boudiccas | aum: get a squeeze iso, and install |
| 07:01.35 | ompaul | use your vps control tools to install squeeze |
| 07:01.41 | aum | k |
| 07:01.58 | bbqgates | aum... or just use debootstrap and install squeeze that way |
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| 07:03.09 | boudiccas | aum: ompaul idea is much better idea than mine, go with his |
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| 07:06.12 | aum | my VPS account won't allow me to install squeeze |
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| 07:06.38 | boudiccas | aum: try debootstrap |
| 07:06.50 | aum | how do i debootstrap |
| 07:06.53 | aum | is that a command? |
| 07:07.23 | aum | i can only access my vps machine via ssh, the control panel only allows reboot |
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| 07:07.31 | aum | no way to revert to an initial installation |
| 07:09.03 | boudiccas | aum: from the debian wiki ..... debootstrap is a tool which will install a Debian base system into a subdirectory of another, already installed system. It doesn't require an installation CD, just access to a Debian repository. It can also be installed and run from another operating system, so, for instance, you can use debootstrap to install Debian onto an unused partition from a running Gentoo system. |
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| 07:09.37 | aum | boudiccas, ok |
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| 07:10.08 | boudiccas | asumbut i reckon that you're going to have to get the help of your providor to get things sorted out |
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| 07:15.15 | nutron | can I take a file with a list of packages and install them non-interactively? |
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| 07:16.43 | alirezaimi | hi // i'm using debian sid and evolution for mail reading // this error happened for me when i use personal address book : http://bit.ly/Mo6IMH // any ideas ? |
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| 07:17.05 | jmd | Can someone please explain to me how the libgtk2.0-0-dbg package is indended to be used? |
| 07:18.05 | alirezaimi | hi // i'm using debian sid and evolution for mail reading // this error happened for me when i use personal address book : http://bit.ly/Mo6IMH // any ideas ? |
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| 07:18.39 | boudiccas | alirezaimi: we heard you the first time, please dont repeat your question after just 2 minutes |
| 07:19.06 | alirezaimi | boudiccas: yes! i'm sorry |
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| 07:20.48 | bbqgates | alirezaimi, make sure your path /home/alireza/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system is accessible by for your username and not just root |
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| 07:21.36 | bbqgates | issue an 'ls -l' command to that path and it will tell you if it is or not... |
| 07:22.01 | bbqgates | you could also just to be sure issue a command to change that directory path |
| 07:22.31 | alirezaimi | bbqgates: http://bit.ly/NxDepE |
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| 07:23.00 | bbqgates | this command will change for you -> sudo chown -R alireza:alireza /home/alireza/.local/share/evolution/addressbook/system |
| 07:25.00 | alirezaimi | bbqgates: i can't save any address into personal address book yet |
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| 07:27.00 | bbqgates | did you run that command?? it will edit the permissions and maybe allow you to save into your addressbook. |
| 07:27.13 | bbqgates | at least maybe it will if permissions are the problem |
| 07:27.20 | alirezaimi | (evolution:2513): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed |
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| 07:27.38 | bitHipy | why am I using Mono? How can I find out why mono was installed? |
| 07:27.43 | bbqgates | hmm new error? |
| 07:28.05 | alirezaimi | yes i run that command :http://bit.ly/Mo7rNS |
| 07:28.11 | bbqgates | bitHipy, mono is installed automatically with Gnome |
| 07:28.14 | boudiccas | alirezaimi: is this a new problem? has it only occurred after an update? maybe something is broken on sid and will be fixed in the next couple of days? |
| 07:28.43 | alirezaimi | bbqgates: http://bit.ly/Mo7rNS |
| 07:29.00 | alirezaimi | bbqgates: (evolution:2513): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_lookup: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed |
| 07:29.04 | bitHipy | bbqgates: ah, thanks. That's odd isn't it? |
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| 07:29.53 | bitHipy | afaik, Mono is a kludge to run Microsoft's language on linux, no? |
| 07:30.39 | bbqgates | bitHipy, you're welcome... yeah basically it's a MS thing for C# I think... |
| 07:30.44 | alirezaimi | boudiccas: Yes, this is a new problem but i am not used evolution more than check mail befor. |
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| 07:31.08 | bitHipy | it's a bit unnerving that gnome would have C# in it |
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| 07:31.40 | bitHipy | (as Debian tries to become accepted by FSF) |
| 07:32.01 | bbqgates | bitHipy, it's for programs that are written in C#.... not Gnome... Gnome is pure C/C++ |
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| 07:33.15 | bbqgates | bitHipy, you could install gnome-core and then just install what you need package by package... or just purge mono if you really hate it :) |
| 07:33.54 | bitHipy | discovers the "aptitude why..." command |
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| 07:34.24 | bitHipy | aptitude why tells me => "gnome Depends tomboy (>= 1.2) | gnote" |
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| 07:35.04 | bitHipy | i'm not even using tomboy.. perhaps I can simply remove it |
| 07:35.16 | bbqgates | sure purge away |
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| 07:36.19 | bbqgates | bitHipy... before you go purge crazy... you might want to run each purge command with the '-s' flag to simulate it first |
| 07:36.33 | bitHipy | yeah, i was just thinking that |
| 07:36.56 | bitHipy | ah shit |
| 07:37.02 | bitHipy | glad i used -s |
| 07:37.06 | bbqgates | haha yeah... I've blown away a couple installs that way :) |
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| 07:37.26 | bitHipy | "gnome" would have been removed |
| 07:37.44 | bitHipy | even though "aptitude why" only shows "tomboy" as being dependant |
| 07:37.55 | bbqgates | yeah... I had a suspicion that might happen |
| 07:38.14 | bitHipy | i would like to know why gnome depends on Tomboy |
| 07:38.21 | bitHipy | should be the other way around |
| 07:38.42 | bbqgates | well... desktop-environment-gnome doesn't depend on tomboy |
| 07:39.04 | bbqgates | so you can simply install desktop-environment-gnome to get rid of tomboy |
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| 07:39.59 | jmd | Who in the world decided to put all the -dbg libraries in such a wierd path ?? |
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| 07:40.16 | bbqgates | you'd want to purge gnome first then install desktop-environment-gnome... but desktop-environment-gnome and it's dependencies are over 1GB so it'll take some time to redownload all the packages |
| 07:40.20 | jmd | How the hell is someone supposed to use them from /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ ? |
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| 07:44.02 | bbqgates | anyway good luck bitHipy... I'm off |
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| 08:09.38 | alhazred_ | Greetings |
| 08:10.48 | alhazred_ | What do i have to do to get my debian (stable running in virtualbox) to unstable? |
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| 08:13.19 | jmd | alhazred_: You change /etc/apt/sources.list then run apt-get dist upgrade |
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| 08:14.25 | alhazred_ | jmd: To what url do i have to point it? |
| 08:14.49 | alhazred_ | Or do i just have to change from main to unstable? |
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| 08:17.31 | jmd | Change it from stable to unstable |
| 08:18.09 | boudiccas | alhazred_: change the lines in sources.list from stable/squeeze to wheezy. dont use unstable because when wheezy is released, you will automatically go to the next unstable release/testing. and that will be a nightmare for a time |
| 08:19.02 | jmd | boudiccas: But he *wants* unstable. |
| 08:19.03 | alhazred_ | boudiccas: So i just replace every squeeze to wheezy? |
| 08:19.18 | boudiccas | alhazred_: yes |
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| 08:19.32 | alhazred_ | jmd: Im not entirely sure if i want that :) |
| 08:19.37 | boudiccas | jmd: i assume he really wants wheezy and NOT unstable |
| 08:19.55 | alhazred_ | Problem is that i want the latest haskell-platform which doesnt seem to be included in my current installation. |
| 08:19.57 | uNIXplumber | hows it possible to remove the bootmessages in debian squeeze with grub2, ive used quiet but nothing works anymore |
| 08:20.02 | uNIXplumber | what was changed? |
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| 08:20.17 | uNIXplumber | its annoying |
| 08:20.17 | peterrooney | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:20.19 | uNIXplumber | :) |
| 08:20.20 | alhazred_ | And afterwards i run apt-get dist upgrade and wayt? |
| 08:20.26 | alhazred_ | er wait |
| 08:20.36 | boudiccas | alhazred_: yes |
| 08:20.44 | alhazred_ | Thanks alot |
| 08:20.54 | boudiccas | you're welcome |
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| 08:26.11 | alhazred_ | Hm... I am missing something still |
| 08:26.37 | alhazred_ | http://nopaste.info/a9420c34a2.html |
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| 08:31.41 | peterrooney | alhazred_: you need to run apt-get update after changing sources.list |
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| 08:34.00 | uNIXplumber | is it just possible to block boot messages with plymouth? |
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| 08:37.32 | alhazred_ | peterrooney: ah thanks a bunch. |
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| 08:48.08 | boudiccas | ,v gnome-shell |
| 08:48.09 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid: 3.4.1-8; wheezy: 3.4.1-8 |
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| 08:48.12 | adhag | Hello. I have a vnc4server I do not know the password of. I could stop it and start with a new password (if I figure out how the password file is generated), but I'm not sure I won't break something when I do so. Is there any docs about the password file, so I can try passwords against it directly? The server kicks me after one wrong attempt, so I can't even test our default passwords, and our seniour admin is out of country... |
| 08:48.36 | adhag | Or will it work without restart if I changed the password file? |
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| 08:50.18 | adhag | Alternatively, is there any way to "speed up" network X, which is an alternative to VNC... The connection to there is so slow that my local X hangs as it is waiting for the remote Iceweasel to reply, and if I use a separate Xnest - it crashes |
| 08:50.53 | alhazred_ | Now i got this error here i guess that my Debian is broken now? Fetched 1,511 MB in 16min 17s (1,545 kB/s) E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 08:50.58 | adhag | I guess I could also run a second VNC server on the remote side... hm? |
| 08:52.02 | gentz | With xen running debian as dom0, is it possible to have no x server in dom0, but to run kde in domU? |
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| 08:53.53 | da_news | #*#*#*#*#*#*# GET UPDATES ON BLACK CAVIAR | The Worlds Greatest Horse @ www.BlackCaviarForum.com #*#*#*#*#*#*# |
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| 08:54.58 | adhag | gentz: Yes, you can do that. Do you want to use the local graphic card for running X on domU? That's also possible, but there were some issues last time I needed it, so it is best to try it yourself to be sure if it will work in your configuration :) |
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| 08:56.44 | gentz | adhag: anything that will work. using the local graphics card would be nice though. |
| 08:57.41 | gentz | adhag: i have dom0 bare now & i've installed X & kde on the domU guest (also debian squeeze), but im having trouble getting kdm to show |
| 08:58.40 | adhag | gentz: Are you using VGA passthrough, PCI passthrough or VNC for the X? |
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| 09:00.29 | gentz | adhag: VNC. Is VGA/PCI passthrough preferable? |
| 09:00.57 | adhag | gentz: I'd personally go with VNC unless it was a desktop machine. |
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| 09:05.30 | gentz | adhag: I got the vncserver running, but whenever I try to use vncviewer, "Error: Can't open display:" |
| 09:06.39 | adhag | gentz: I'd imagine that's an error on the local side, not on the domU. Are you by any chance trying to run vncviewer on dom0 without X? |
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| 09:07.14 | gentz | adhag: nope. doing everything inside of domU. |
| 09:07.25 | zax | hi i setup a cron job yesterday but the file mixmin does appear to be updating as it should do things look ok -thanks http://pastebin.com/c3nEYgL5 |
| 09:08.23 | adhag | gentz: You're starting the vncviewer on a shell on your domU machine? Unless you have X forwarding set up to another machine that won't work. |
| 09:09.20 | gentz | adhag: yes. i'm using the console. |
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| 09:09.47 | gentz | adhag: why not? |
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| 09:12.33 | adhag | gentz: The vncviewer needs a X display to run (or some graphical display to run, e.g. Windows). Your VNC server is your X display for the apps running on your domU, but you need a second X display for the vncviewer. If your only display is on this dom0 machine, you need either to run X, or to use VGA passthough, or to lookup some of the other options Xen offers (I haven't used them) |
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| 09:13.16 | adhag | I mean, if your only display is on this Xen machine, you need to either run X on dom0 or use VGA passthrough |
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| 09:14.17 | adhag | gentz: If you aren't going to use this remotely, I suggest researching the latter option |
| 09:14.59 | gentz | adhag: I need VGA passthrrough then. Thanks. |
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| 10:12.24 | Mot | http://i.imgur.com/ltdhK.jpg |
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| 10:13.57 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 10:13.57 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:14.22 | nkuttler | Mot: actually, that wouldn't even be appropriate for #debian-offtopic |
| 10:14.50 | Mot | you'll survive. admit it, it's cute. |
| 10:15.02 | nkuttler | just keep digging.. |
| 10:15.09 | richardk | awww, so cute |
| 10:15.14 | Mot | lol what? |
| 10:15.25 | Mot | if you're going to ban me because i posted a cat picture, then by all means. |
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| 10:15.33 | Mot | i've been on this network for over 10yrs. |
| 10:15.48 | Mot | *now* we're ot. |
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| 10:17.52 | jelly-home | nkuttler: how in the hell would that not be appropriate for d-o? Or http://imgur.com/gallery/Sxtev for that matter |
| 10:18.25 | digdilem | Moderation in moderation. |
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| 10:21.50 | jelly-home | thankfully the actual ops don't care, it's just the weirdos that find images of cats cutting a silent hour inappropriate |
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| 11:04.15 | doomster | hi! |
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| 11:05.14 | doomster | I'm looking for tools to set up an encrypted filesystem on a USB stick. What would you suggest? |
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| 11:06.59 | boudiccas | doomster: get the september issue of 'Linux Format' as they have an art5icle on exactly that. it came out today |
| 11:07.09 | boudiccas | article |
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| 11:09.17 | Psychonaut | Hi, I started compiling of an kernel like I do on other systems, but here I get the text questions for any module ? |
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| 11:09.51 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: you're probably trying to compile a new kernel with an old config |
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| 11:10.06 | Psychonaut | sure, but i did exactly the same on other PC |
| 11:10.26 | nkuttler | make oldconfig is running, that's expected |
| 11:10.48 | Psychonaut | negative, extracting kernel source, make menuconfig, make-kpkg |
| 11:10.49 | Psychonaut | thats it |
| 11:10.57 | nkuttler | well something was different, that's sure |
| 11:11.13 | Psychonaut | yea sure something is different |
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| 11:12.23 | Psychonaut | I copied the old config thats correct |
| 11:13.02 | Psychonaut | so its, extracting kernel source, cp oldconfig .config, make menuconfig, make-kpkg |
| 11:13.30 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: i'd rather make oldconfig |
| 11:13.48 | nkuttler | but then, i normally don't build kernels nowadays |
| 11:13.49 | Psychonaut | why, because its the same procedure I used on a other PC |
| 11:14.06 | Psychonaut | and there it simply compiled |
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| 11:15.20 | blackhawk | hi |
| 11:15.44 | xH_ | Hello. |
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| 11:16.13 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: which command actually triggered all the questions? |
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| 11:16.39 | Psychonaut | make-kpg clean, fakeroot make-kpkg ... linux_image |
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| 11:17.13 | blackhawk | ?hw |
| 11:17.21 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: i'm just guessing here but maybe debconf priority plays a role here. there are default values for the new kernel stuff |
| 11:17.55 | Psychonaut | scripts/kconfig/conf --oldconfig Kconfig |
| 11:17.55 | Psychonaut | warning: (ACPI_HOTPLUG_CPU) selects ACPI_CONTAINER which has unmet direct dependencies (ACPI && EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 11:17.55 | Psychonaut | * |
| 11:17.55 | Psychonaut | * Restart config... |
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| 11:18.37 | Psychonaut | copy + paste = kick ^^ |
| 11:18.47 | Psychonaut | it seems there are some unment dependencies |
| 11:18.52 | nkuttler | !tell Psychonaut about paste |
| 11:18.52 | blackhawk | haha |
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| 11:20.07 | blackhawk | slaps pincy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 11:21.31 | haylo | its all about takin it to the next level |
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| 11:23.28 | haylo | best quote i have heard really, from a guy who does bar park strength training inner city |
| 11:24.53 | haylo | i think it applies well as potential governing principle for software, engineering and AI |
| 11:25.34 | haylo | "its all about takin it to the next m*** level" |
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| 11:26.40 | doomster | some devs should finish the current level rather than taking it to the next... |
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| 11:27.44 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 11:27.45 | haylo | haha, thats a good point doomster |
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| 11:28.06 | Bartzy | I need to add a manual route in order to access the internet. How can I do that from within the Network installer ? |
| 11:28.10 | haylo | oh woops, im sorry i thought i was on debian-offtopic |
| 11:28.19 | Bartzy | I tried Alt+F2 and then route add.. but that didn't work for some reason. |
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| 11:30.22 | haylo | Bartzy, im not debian dev. but i dont quite understand what you mean be a manual route. could you clarify? |
| 11:30.41 | haylo | by * be |
| 11:30.46 | Bartzy | route add .... |
| 11:31.50 | haylo | oh ok i see it the man pages. thanks Bartzy sorry guess i learned something |
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| 11:33.28 | haylo | it says here that it is to be used after the network has been cofigured with ifconfig |
| 11:33.50 | stew | Bartzy: that really sould work. after you add the route, does the output of "route -n" or "ip r" look sane to you? |
| 11:34.05 | haylo | i havent tried debian debootstrap install. but perhaps it would allow you more flexibility than the deban C installer |
| 11:34.36 | Bartzy | stew: Yes. It contains the route. But the installer then shows: "The gateway address you entered is unreachable", when choosing the gateway. |
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| 11:34.47 | stew | Bartzy: can you show us? |
| 11:35.06 | stew | Bartzy: or at least can you us what the gateway is, and what route you think should make it reacable? |
| 11:35.12 | Bartzy | stew: Yes. |
| 11:35.17 | Bartzy | 142.0.241.17 |
| 11:35.28 | stew | and what is the ip / netmask? |
| 11:35.37 | Bartzy | route add -host 142.0.241.17 dev eth0 |
| 11:35.52 | Bartzy | 142.0.241.98/255.255.255.240 |
| 11:35.55 | Bartzy | ip ^ |
| 11:36.06 | Bartzy | dunno why it's like that. Not my decision |
| 11:36.18 | stew | Bartzy: can you just add that ip as /24 instead of /28 ? |
| 11:36.24 | stew | and skip the -host route? |
| 11:36.35 | Bartzy | i don't know - that's what my provider told me to do |
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| 11:36.52 | stew | that should be fine unless you actually need to talk to other hosts in the /24 that aren't in the /28 during the install |
| 11:36.54 | Bartzy | maybe I can do that for the install and then change when the OS is isntalled ? |
| 11:36.58 | stew | yes |
| 11:37.05 | Bartzy | OK. I will try that. |
| 11:37.05 | stew | (by editing /etc/network/interfaces after the install) |
| 11:37.14 | Bartzy | I wonder why do they do that ? |
| 11:37.24 | Bartzy | Gateway that is not in the same segment as the IP ? is that normal ? |
| 11:37.33 | Bartzy | Also, I wonder why the manual route add during install didn't work |
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| 11:40.03 | Bartzy | stew? :) |
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| 12:04.56 | d0uglas | hi. is it possible to disable mod_pagespeed on certain vhosts (or disable on all except for those specified)? |
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| 12:06.34 | cusco | d0uglas: you would have to ask in httpd or google |
| 12:06.42 | cusco | google makes that mod |
| 12:06.50 | d0uglas | cusco: okay, will do, thanks |
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| 12:06.54 | neurochrome | hey folks, just got a linode, setup a user and such, the bashrc didn't exist, I created one and tried to source it, but source doesn't exist! What gives? |
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| 12:07.04 | neurochrome | n00b alert btw (obviously) |
| 12:07.42 | doomster | neurochrome: I guess "source" is a bashism |
| 12:07.56 | doomster | try '.' instead |
| 12:08.03 | neurochrome | doomster, it refreshes the config in bashrc |
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| 12:09.08 | doomster | what is "it"? If you mean the "source" command, that seems to be a bash-specific feature, which is not available in other shells |
| 12:09.27 | neurochrome | really, source is available on every other distro I've used |
| 12:09.51 | neurochrome | how do you get your system to recognise changes to your bash config? |
| 12:09.53 | doomster | this has nothing to do with the distro, it has to do with the default choice of shells |
| 12:09.59 | neurochrome | bash |
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| 12:10.00 | neurochrome | yes |
| 12:10.08 | neurochrome | ah |
| 12:10.10 | neurochrome | shit |
| 12:10.19 | neurochrome | does debian use bash by default? |
| 12:10.24 | doomster | I guess not. |
| 12:10.26 | neurochrome | apologise for the french |
| 12:10.32 | neurochrome | that makes senes |
| 12:10.39 | neurochrome | s/senes/sense |
| 12:10.52 | doomster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.39 | icedwater | I can't remember what I chose when I installed debian but I'm using bash.. |
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| 12:13.45 | nkuttler | neurochrome: sh is dash by default, that's what the system uses |
| 12:14.17 | neurochrome | so how do I set it to bash? |
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| 12:14.30 | neurochrome | I know I can chsh |
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| 12:14.35 | nkuttler | users default to bash |
| 12:14.36 | neurochrome | but do I have to install bash first? |
| 12:14.41 | neurochrome | oh |
| 12:14.49 | neurochrome | ok, then how do I source my bashrc? |
| 12:15.12 | nkuttler | neurochrome: what do i know... which shell are you using? . ~/.bashrc ? |
| 12:15.29 | nkuttler | and why would you source your bashrc from a different shell? |
| 12:15.38 | neurochrome | echo $SHELL ... /bin/sh |
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| 12:15.56 | nkuttler | chsh, as you've been told |
| 12:16.10 | neurochrome | erm... i said chsh |
| 12:16.16 | nkuttler | ah, well then use it |
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| 12:16.43 | neurochrome | what I said was ... "do I have to install bash first?" |
| 12:16.49 | nkuttler | try |
| 12:16.53 | neurochrome | I don't want to get locked out |
| 12:17.04 | nkuttler | which bash |
| 12:17.04 | neurochrome | I'd rather know what I'm doing before doing it |
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| 12:17.20 | neurochrome | bash.. bourne again shell |
| 12:17.22 | neurochrome | I want it |
| 12:17.28 | neurochrome | I want to edit my bash config |
| 12:17.34 | doomster | "dpkg -L bash" should show you that bash is installed. It's an essential Debian package |
| 12:17.36 | nkuttler | neurochrome: run "which bash" in your current shell |
| 12:17.37 | neurochrome | then refresh the settings |
| 12:17.45 | nkuttler | neurochrome: or bash --version |
| 12:17.50 | nkuttler | or just bash.. |
| 12:18.01 | neurochrome | ok.. that says I'm running /bin/bash |
| 12:18.08 | neurochrome | good stuff |
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| 12:18.19 | neurochrome | now why doesn't source ~/.bashrc work? |
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| 12:18.36 | nsadmin | neurochrome, one question, is this a script that you wrote which has "source /some/file" in it? |
| 12:18.43 | neurochrome | no |
| 12:18.56 | neurochrome | I have added some aliases and stuff to bashrc |
| 12:18.57 | nsadmin | so you're typing source at the command line |
| 12:19.02 | neurochrome | yes |
| 12:19.14 | neurochrome | "source ~/.bashrc" |
| 12:19.34 | neurochrome | this (in most other distros) refreshes your changes to the bash config |
| 12:19.55 | neurochrome | like tab completion, etc |
| 12:20.09 | neurochrome | right now my bashrc changes are doing nothing, and source doesn't work |
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| 12:20.44 | neurochrome | if source is not available or used by debian to refresh changes... what is? |
| 12:21.01 | nkuttler | neurochrome: source is built into bash. you can't use it if you don't use bash |
| 12:21.14 | nkuttler | (or a shell that supports it) |
| 12:21.28 | nsadmin | neurochrome, .bashrc could have content meant specifically for bash |
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| 12:21.34 | eptalon | heyas |
| 12:21.54 | neurochrome | lol, ok, this isn't really going so well... which bash returns "/bin/bash" so is that bash or not? |
| 12:22.02 | nkuttler | neurochrome: so chsh to /bin/bash, log out, log in |
| 12:22.13 | nkuttler | neurochrome: bash --version |
| 12:22.25 | eptalon | neurochrome: yes, /bin is the usual location for basg |
| 12:22.28 | eptalon | er bash |
| 12:23.02 | nsadmin | eptalon, are all shells located in /bin? |
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| 12:23.32 | eptalon | nsadmin: some might be in /sbin. |
| 12:23.38 | neurochrome | yeah, so I ran chsh, then selected /bin/bash |
| 12:23.40 | nsadmin | would bash still be in the base? |
| 12:23.46 | eptalon | nsadmin: if they are "root-only"... |
| 12:23.47 | neurochrome | do I have to logout for changes to take effect? |
| 12:24.27 | nsadmin | eptalon, /sbin? do you happen to know what reason a shell might (1) appear there and (2) be allowed to appear there? |
| 12:24.40 | tremon | sash, for one |
| 12:24.41 | nsadmin | oh I see thanks |
| 12:25.01 | nsadmin | sash is that static one that has tar and others |
| 12:25.34 | tremon | the one you really hope you'll never need ;) |
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| 12:25.54 | neurochrome | sound, so by default debian doesn't use bash, but it has it available, a simple chsh /bin/bash then logout/in works! |
| 12:25.57 | neurochrome | cheers guys |
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| 12:26.21 | neurochrome | this really should be documented somewhere! |
| 12:26.37 | neurochrome | that's the one thing that debian lacks, great documentation like arch |
| 12:26.40 | petemc | bash is default shell for users |
| 12:26.50 | Volkswagner | neurochrome, how did you add your user? |
| 12:26.58 | neurochrome | petemc, hmmm, it was a new user |
| 12:27.03 | neurochrome | useradd xxxxx |
| 12:27.09 | petemc | use adduser |
| 12:27.10 | eptalon | neurochrome: you'll find bash is the default shell, for users, in most linux distros. |
| 12:27.11 | nsadmin | neurochrome, you could look into why debian decided to do this |
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| 12:27.22 | nsadmin | and see if you agree with their reasoning |
| 12:27.23 | Volkswagner | neurochrome is root user default to /bin/bash > cat /etc/passwd to see default shell |
| 12:27.27 | neurochrome | weird, this is a fresh linode |
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| 12:28.23 | nsadmin | what's linode? |
| 12:28.28 | petemc | vps provider |
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| 12:28.34 | neurochrome | it's not the end of the world, but google was no help, it would be nice to see some concise documentation... that's all! |
| 12:28.38 | neurochrome | ^ |
| 12:28.40 | nsadmin | ok |
| 12:28.53 | tremon | neurochrome: man useradd, see -s |
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| 12:29.07 | neurochrome | I could've gone with any number of distros, but fancied a good stable/solid base |
| 12:29.13 | jelly-home | neurochrome: debian does, in fact, default normal user login shell to /bin/bash |
| 12:29.43 | neurochrome | in which case, I'm not sure why the debian instance on linode didn't setup my user correctly |
| 12:30.02 | neurochrome | in fact, useradd didn't even create a home folder for the new user |
| 12:30.05 | neurochrome | which was strange |
| 12:30.09 | petemc | you should use adduser, it has sensible defaults, useradd expects you to specify everything |
| 12:30.10 | tremon | neurochrome: you do know about the existence of man pages, right? |
| 12:30.17 | jelly-home | neurochrome: adduser is a friendlier tool |
| 12:30.28 | tremon | neurochrome: did you even try to read the man page before complaining about lacking documentation? |
| 12:30.39 | Volkswagner | neurochrome google "adduser vs. useradd" |
| 12:30.40 | neurochrome | tremon, yeah! |
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| 12:31.22 | jelly-home | Volkswagner: to make things more confusing, RHEL and others' adduser is exactly the same tool as useradd, not a nicer noe |
| 12:31.35 | neurochrome | trawling man pages as opposed to searching good online documentation. man is great if you know the tool you want to research, but for a problem unknown.... search wins |
| 12:31.37 | tremon | quoting from that page "The default is to leave this field blank, which causes the system to select the default login shell specified by the SHELL variable in /etc/default/useradd" |
| 12:31.55 | neurochrome | Volkswagner, this is the problem, I must've gotten these the wrong way round |
| 12:32.21 | neurochrome | yeah, and as such I now know there is a useradd and an adduser |
| 12:32.21 | Volkswagner | it's not hard to do ;) |
| 12:32.25 | nsadmin | useradd has been relegated to an "under the hood" status since it's a little confusing as to how to form command lines with... adduser is more of a textual "wizard" |
| 12:32.35 | neurochrome | Volkswagner, evidently not! ;) |
| 12:33.07 | tremon | quoting from the first line of text in man useradd: "useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead." |
| 12:33.19 | neurochrome | nsadmin, I just tried to recal the command (which I rarely use) off the top of my head and I obviously used the wrong one! |
| 12:33.59 | neurochrome | well, thanks anyway, I learned two things today! |
| 12:34.36 | Volkswagner | neurochrome, two things! you can go back to bed then! |
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| 12:38.40 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, I posted my power-manager question to debian mailing list. I selected debian-laptop as list perhaps I should have went with debian-user? |
| 12:39.04 | Volkswagner | I have not received a response nor have I seen any activity on the list :( |
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| 12:40.47 | Volkswagner | I thought the Debian-laptop list would be more appropriate for battery question. |
| 12:40.53 | nsadmin | hmm, try -user |
| 12:41.16 | nsadmin | I would agree, but then they're also nonresponsive |
| 12:41.54 | Volkswagner | yeah, 3 days and there has been no activity except mine on the list. |
| 12:42.03 | Volkswagner | I'll give Debian-user list a try |
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| 12:42.38 | nsadmin | there could be a #debian-laptop on oftc.net |
| 12:43.17 | eptalon | is 1200-something by about 600 a valid resolution for a dvd? |
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| 12:45.12 | ltsampros | hello |
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| 12:46.16 | ltsampros | just upgraded my debian testing, and nvidia driver went to 302.17. However, the new driver fails to pickup the correct modes of the monitor through EDID. are there any workarounds for such problems? |
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| 12:53.00 | haylo | could i set up a small network, controlled by a more secure machine. whit password less ssh connections to each other. and issue shell scripts to control all the computers in the cluster at once. Or should i use a different networking protocol ? |
| 12:53.26 | simonlnu | !tell ltsampros -about bts |
| 12:53.26 | haylo | s/whit/with |
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| 12:54.04 | nsadmin | haylo, I suppose you could do that with ssh as you lay out |
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| 12:54.24 | doomster | haylo: you can use keypair authentication for SSH |
| 12:54.43 | doomster | there are also shells that execute the same command on different machines for clustering |
| 12:54.44 | nsadmin | you would make keys for each machine which have no passphrase |
| 12:54.52 | haylo | right ok. i guess i need to get my ssh syntax better. instead of lowering my security |
| 12:54.58 | nkuttler | ew, why no passphrase? |
| 12:55.06 | nsadmin | doomster, I'd be all ears |
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| 12:56.40 | doomster | apt-cache search cluster|grep shell |
| 12:56.47 | doomster | (: |
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| 12:57.31 | nsadmin | nkuttler, stated in the original posting as requirements |
| 12:57.37 | nkuttler | haylo: look into keychain, ssh-agent, and maybe puppet |
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| 12:57.46 | nkuttler | nsadmin: i see, you look into keychain and ssh-agent as well |
| 12:58.16 | haylo | thanks nsadmin , doomster . I think this is going to work eventually, even without me having any real cluster experience or specific cluster ose. but i guess i need to google or handbook for debian clustering information |
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| 12:59.36 | Bartzy | What is the recommended '/' partition size for servers ? |
| 12:59.40 | Bartzy | is 3GB enough ? |
| 12:59.52 | nsadmin | nkuttler, I'm aware of ssh-agent; would keychain add the keys to the agent? |
| 12:59.58 | Bartzy | I'm using SSDs and would like to avoid losing space |
| 13:00.12 | boudiccas | i want to use the command 'tar' in a script, but its not in /usr/bin/ nor in /sbin/ so where is it please? |
| 13:00.13 | nkuttler | nsadmin: with keychain you type the passphrase once |
| 13:00.39 | nsadmin | on every... boot? |
| 13:00.55 | nkuttler | nsadmin: no, per user, so login |
| 13:00.57 | nsadmin | to just one machine in the cluster? |
| 13:01.01 | petemc | boudiccas: which tar |
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| 13:01.12 | nkuttler | nsadmin: indeed |
| 13:01.17 | boudiccas | petemc: tar gz |
| 13:01.29 | petemc | boudiccas: no, run the command "which tar" |
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| 13:01.36 | boudiccas | k thanks |
| 13:01.37 | nkuttler | nsadmin: well, to all machines that accept the key. |
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| 13:02.36 | nsadmin | nkuttler, so that's why I thought passphraseless key pairs might be appropriate given his no password requirement |
| 13:03.02 | nkuttler | nsadmin: sure, just offering more options |
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| 13:06.04 | ltsampros | simonlnu: thanks |
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| 13:13.12 | raidghost | Guten tag! |
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| 13:13.38 | daniel-s_ | hi raidghost |
| 13:15.11 | haylo | Bartzy, / stays pretty small if you make /usr /var /boot /home /whatever because nothing much ends up in it |
| 13:15.46 | Bartzy | Should I use LVM for /boot for a production server ? |
| 13:15.53 | haylo | like even after installing a bunch of programs and ATI drivers its still smaller than 1gig |
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| 13:16.56 | nsadmin | Bartzy, do you mean "should you put everything into lvm"? |
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| 13:17.50 | Bartzy | nsadmin: Yes. |
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| 13:18.26 | Bartzy | nsadmin: I'm setting up a mdadm RAID10. on top of that I want to use LVM for partitioning. Now I'm asking if the /boot partition should be inside LVM or outside of it. |
| 13:18.38 | Bartzy | I know grub2 supports booting from LVM. But is that recommended/stable ? |
| 13:20.20 | nsadmin | ok, first I think it's possible with grub2. my concern would be, could you later boot a rescue media of some kind which can mount stuff from the lvm |
| 13:20.21 | Bartzy | nsadmin: ? |
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| 13:20.49 | Bartzy | nsadmin: But that is not relevant to /boot in or out of LVM |
| 13:20.53 | Bartzy | It's a matter of using LVM at all |
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| 13:21.15 | nsadmin | whether it's stable to do so, I don't know (hence, I like to be better safe than sorry with my present knowledge) |
| 13:21.38 | gunkaaa | Bartzy: in my experiencing using lvm for /boot is nothing but a headache, especially once you mix in raid1 |
| 13:21.49 | Bartzy | gunkaaa: Why is that ? |
| 13:22.03 | gunkaaa | our standard is 256MB raid1 /boot, the rest raid1 lvm pv |
| 13:22.12 | gunkaaa | because there's no lvm command inside grub ;p |
| 13:22.27 | Bartzy | gunkaaa: Why 256MB and not 128MB ? Any reason? several kernels can be used in <50MB... |
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| 13:22.46 | gunkaaa | no particular reason, it's just what we've settled on |
| 13:22.48 | Dmitrijus | gunkaaa: actually, there is! :) |
| 13:22.50 | multifake | put /boot into a RAID1 md is the safest |
| 13:22.54 | gunkaaa | disk is cheap enough these days ;p |
| 13:23.13 | nsadmin | there is an lvm module in grub2 tho, which would get you access to lvm and its content |
| 13:23.29 | Bartzy | Why not in RAID10 md ? If I'm already using RAID10... |
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| 13:23.36 | nsadmin | I can believe it's a PITA |
| 13:23.38 | Bartzy | If not, which drives should have the RAID1.. I have 4 drives... |
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| 13:23.50 | gunkaaa | yeah, but when things break it's nice to be able to get to the ramdisk first ;p |
| 13:23.52 | multifake | RAID1 is better for /boot because... |
| 13:23.57 | nkuttler | Bartzy: i like the system to stay bootable when raid or lvm fails |
| 13:24.25 | multifake | it works even with no RAID available |
| 13:24.27 | Bartzy | nkuttler: and if the HDD that /boot resides in fails...? |
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| 13:24.37 | nsadmin | nkuttler, does that mean you prefer / outside of lvm? |
| 13:24.41 | nkuttler | Bartzy: then i just replace it |
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| 13:24.55 | Bartzy | nkuttler: And where do you get the /boot data ? |
| 13:24.59 | matthewd | Bartzy: Mirror it across all four |
| 13:25.03 | nkuttler | Bartzy: hm? |
| 13:25.04 | Bartzy | multifake: But how do I do that if I have 4 drives and I want to set RAID10 for the data ? |
| 13:25.10 | nkuttler | yeah, or that, mirror it |
| 13:25.16 | Bartzy | RAID1 across 4 drives ? |
| 13:25.25 | multifake | Bartzy, use RAID1 with 4 Drives |
| 13:25.31 | Bartzy | Is it possible? It's not just for 2 drives ? |
| 13:25.47 | multifake | you can boot from either one out of those four without any problems |
| 13:26.00 | multifake | RAID10 won't work I think |
| 13:26.20 | Bartzy | ok so 1 MD device of RAID1 across all 4 drives, 128MB in size. without LVM. just ext3 for /boot |
| 13:26.31 | Bartzy | and a 2nd MD RAID10 device for the rest of capacity on all 4 drives, with LVM |
| 13:26.33 | Bartzy | right ? :) |
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| 13:26.46 | multifake | 128MB is small |
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| 13:26.53 | Bartzy | why is it small? |
| 13:27.02 | Bartzy | We're using SSDs, every MB counts ;P |
| 13:27.14 | multifake | you haven't got much space for multiple kernels there |
| 13:27.15 | Bartzy | I checked on my laptop, 3 kernels and /boot uses 30MB |
| 13:27.34 | multifake | ok |
| 13:28.31 | multifake | Ubuntu is 30 each kernel |
| 13:28.39 | multifake | it seems |
| 13:28.42 | Bartzy | Really ? |
| 13:28.57 | craigevil | has 2 kernels installed and /boot is taking up 38MB |
| 13:28.59 | multifake | I'll paste, wait |
| 13:29.00 | Bartzy | Debian is 15MB for 3.2.0 |
| 13:29.12 | Bartzy | yeah I was wrong, I have 2 kernels there, not 3 |
| 13:29.17 | jelly-home | multifake: Debian does not put all the graphical silly stuff in initrd |
| 13:29.24 | jelly-home | so they're a bit smaller |
| 13:29.31 | Bartzy | jelly-home: So 128MB should be enough ? |
| 13:29.32 | multifake | ah ok |
| 13:29.34 | haylo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.43 | haylo | Bartzy, you know you can raise partitions into ramdisks as well, if you want to end up utilizing any conventional HDD |
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| 13:31.38 | jelly-home | Bartzy: sure, I put something like 200-250 just in case |
| 13:32.31 | haylo | yes in the end, you are creating a system you will likely ditch, if yo umake partitions very very small. because for permanant installs, you will want to build a monolithic kernel |
| 13:32.57 | multifake | the advantage of RAID1 is you can always read without RAID drivers, BIOS, grub, ... |
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| 13:33.34 | multifake | or stupid windows ext2 driver |
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| 13:37.51 | Bartzy | multifake: So to create it I need to create a 200MB RAID partition on each drive |
| 13:37.57 | Bartzy | and then RAID1 on those parititons, right ? |
| 13:38.15 | Bartzy | and then create a RAID parition on the rest of the capacity of each drive, and create RAID10 for that ? |
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| 14:07.24 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 14:07.30 | DelphiWorld | Quick Question folks |
| 14:07.43 | DelphiWorld | what's the simple utility to use while burning a iso into a cd ? (not dvd) |
| 14:07.57 | Calinou | what operating system? |
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| 14:08.15 | Calinou | tip: google it :P |
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| 14:09.11 | DelphiWorld | Calinou: debian6 |
| 14:09.13 | DelphiWorld | squeeze |
| 14:09.14 | dawud | DelphiWorld: wodim is enough for most purposes |
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| 14:09.42 | DelphiWorld | dawud: i don't see it |
| 14:09.43 | Calinou | inb4 command that will break your harddrives and remove all data; using a GUI is way better IMO |
| 14:10.21 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: k3b |
| 14:10.30 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas ? |
| 14:10.46 | DelphiWorld | seriously... can someone help |
| 14:10.46 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: install it and use it :) |
| 14:11.28 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: no, is gui |
| 14:11.31 | DelphiWorld | i need it shell |
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| 14:14.57 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: have you googled for it? try linux commandline iso burner |
| 14:15.22 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: i saw wodime like the other guy pointed |
| 14:15.51 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: okay, its up to you. if you dont want to be helped |
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| 14:16.04 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: i want:-p |
| 14:16.16 | cusco | wodim |
| 14:16.47 | cusco | DelphiWorld: use wodim |
| 14:17.19 | DelphiWorld | cusco: i'm tryin |
| 14:17.31 | cusco | wodim images.iso (enter) |
| 14:17.46 | Bartzy | the /boot partition - ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 14:17.55 | cusco | or ext4 ? |
| 14:18.16 | craigevil | DelphiWorld: a nice wodim tutorial > http://manual.aptosid.com/en/cd-no-gui-burn-en.htm#burn-no-gui-gen |
| 14:18.24 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 src.iso |
| 14:18.46 | DelphiWorld | craigevil, boudiccas, cusco thank you all:-P |
| 14:18.57 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas, cdrecord is gone and replaced by wodime |
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| 14:20.15 | DelphiWorld | i think wodime have no progress output |
| 14:20.24 | jelly-home | it's just gone from Debian... the software still exists (and arguably still works better than wodim / cdrkit) |
| 14:22.37 | DelphiWorld | i assume wodime ofer no progress ? |
| 14:23.11 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: add more -v |
| 14:23.36 | jelly-home | it does show progress at some point. I think a single -v is enough |
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| 14:24.08 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: "wodim", no e |
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| 14:24.36 | DelphiWorld | salut !wissem |
| 14:24.45 | DelphiWorld | thank you jelly-home |
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| 14:26.49 | DelphiWorld | thank you jelly-home i did -vvvvvvvvvvv :-P |
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| 14:36.37 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: CD BURNED and Debian X64 booting up:-P |
| 14:37.16 | doomster | just wondering, does installation from USB drives work? |
| 14:38.14 | Calinou | it does, doomster |
| 14:38.25 | Calinou | you can use Unetbootin to burn images to USB drives |
| 14:38.57 | doomster | good to know, I have a CD-less machine here waiting for an install... |
| 14:39.39 | engla | it should be possible to just write the .iso to the usb directly? |
| 14:39.47 | engla | what does unetbootin set up? |
| 14:40.06 | Calinou | engla, YAY, commands, breaking my entire system! |
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| 14:40.18 | Calinou | engla, some menu IIRC... nothing more. it just makes it /work/ |
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| 14:41.13 | engla | yay commands? |
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| 14:44.39 | PrickelPit | hi, need to load firmware durni debian-installer for wheezy, copied extracted frimware tarball to the stick, but debian installer wont detect it. any hints? |
| 14:45.24 | DelphiWorld | PrickelPit: kill broadcom |
| 14:45.43 | PrickelPit | nah its r8169 and / or b43 :( |
| 14:46.02 | DelphiWorld | PrickelPit: b43... surely... broadFUCK |
| 14:46.09 | PrickelPit | realtek and broadcom....any hints? |
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| 14:46.59 | PrickelPit | funny thing is squeezy detects the r8169 copper nic, wheezy dont |
| 14:47.23 | cusco | there are some restricted modules |
| 14:47.44 | cusco | firmware-linux-nonfree may have those |
| 14:47.59 | cusco | or better yet: firmware-realtek |
| 14:48.01 | engla | PrickelPit: I think you can enter console and copy the firmware in place manually |
| 14:48.05 | engla | in the installer |
| 14:48.13 | cusco | !firmware-realtek |
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| 14:48.38 | PrickelPit | documentation sais untar firmare on stick at /firmware, done that, does not work. |
| 14:48.42 | cusco | !realtek firmware |
| 14:48.42 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su> and <r8712u> drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for the RTL8111D(L) and RTL8105E Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. Firmware required by the <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> drivers are all packaged since firmware-realtek version 0.34. |
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| 14:50.03 | thekirbylover | is there a list of dpkg exit codes and their descriptions? |
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| 14:50.17 | PrickelPit | engla, copy to where exactly? |
| 14:50.35 | engla | PrickelPit: into /lib/firmware in the installer's root |
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| 14:53.28 | milo__ | phew |
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| 14:55.22 | milo__ | can minimal debian run on most old motherboards? |
| 14:55.32 | Calinou | "minimal debian" > explain? |
| 14:55.38 | Calinou | yes, it should. |
| 14:56.17 | milo__ | hm, ok |
| 14:56.26 | bzed | milo__: depends on how old your board is |
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| 14:56.49 | bzed | milo__: I think the minimum requirements in cpu/ram resources are mentioned in the release notes for each architecture |
| 14:57.02 | milo__ | k |
| 14:57.05 | bzed | milo__: I would probably not start with less than 64 or 128mb ram on i386 |
| 14:57.20 | DelphiWorld | what's the best to build my own standard kernel ? |
| 14:57.22 | DelphiWorld | 3.4.X |
| 14:57.27 | bzed | there are other distributions like damn small linux which are specialized to run on such hardware, milo__ |
| 14:57.30 | milo__ | DelphiWorld: yes |
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| 14:57.44 | DelphiWorld | milo__ ? |
| 14:57.48 | bzed | DelphiWorld: you just don';t do it unless you have a real reason to do it |
| 14:57.56 | milo__ | DelphiWorld: 3.4.X is a good ver. |
| 14:57.59 | DelphiWorld | bzed: i do have |
| 14:58.02 | Calinou | bzed, more like 256RAM if you want some DE |
| 14:58.03 | bzed | DelphiWorld: which one? |
| 14:58.17 | DelphiWorld | bzed: dvb cards drivers not supported in 2.6.32 |
| 14:58.30 | bzed | DelphiWorld: get 3.2 from backports then? |
| 14:58.45 | DelphiWorld | bzed: ok, repo please ? |
| 14:58.47 | Calinou | since when you can get a kernel from backports? O_o |
| 14:58.53 | bzed | !backports |
| 14:58.54 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 14:59.13 | milo__ | bzed, I am going to order this board: Dell 1141E Optiplex G1 Motherboard |
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| 14:59.21 | bzed | Calinou: since years, although the kernel guys want to get rid of it with wheezy, but well, we will see |
| 14:59.59 | bzed | milo__: do you think I know each board that was sold during the last 20 years? |
| 15:00.11 | milo__ | ... |
| 15:00.16 | milo__ | X( |
| 15:00.18 | DelphiWorld | bzed: Would you please give me the apt line;-) |
| 15:00.36 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: google for it |
| 15:00.44 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: i'm doing man |
| 15:00.55 | haylo | DelphiWorld, i reccomend building the kernel with the debian manual. it ends up with .debs you can install |
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| 15:01.15 | milo__ | DelphiWorld: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-kernel-upgrade-howto/ |
| 15:01.23 | bzed | milo__: NO. |
| 15:01.23 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: 1] i'm not a man, and 2] i'll believe that when i see it :) |
| 15:01.27 | DelphiWorld | haylo: that's my prefaired way.please would you show me how to ? |
| 15:01.33 | bzed | milo__: do not link random tutorials to people here |
| 15:01.38 | DelphiWorld | slaps boudiccas around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:01.52 | milo__ | why? |
| 15:01.57 | milo__ | It's helpful |
| 15:01.57 | nevyn | !bdo kernel |
| 15:01.57 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 15:02.08 | milo__ | bzed, it's helpful, isn't it? |
| 15:02.08 | bzed | milo__: no its not. |
| 15:02.11 | milo__ | oh |
| 15:02.13 | milo__ | why? |
| 15:02.31 | sney | DelphiWorld: if you really want to roll your own kernel, the official instructions are all here http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:02.43 | nevyn | milo__: it's not the debian way. it'll be the whole make menuconfig && make && make modules && make install routine |
| 15:02.48 | nevyn | this is all wrong |
| 15:02.57 | nevyn | for debian |
| 15:03.00 | milo__ | oh |
| 15:03.06 | bzed | nevyn: not even, milo__'s link is jsut useless ;\ |
| 15:03.09 | DelphiWorld | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:03.14 | milo__ | that's the hard way. |
| 15:03.16 | DelphiWorld | thank you sney |
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| 15:03.22 | sney | np |
| 15:03.22 | milo__ | bzed, say that? |
| 15:03.29 | DelphiWorld | i *TOUK* one our to coppy your url sney :-P |
| 15:03.38 | haylo | DelphiWorld, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:03.38 | bzed | DelphiWorld: make deb-pkg - if you really want yo use a vanilla source |
| 15:03.51 | sney | DelphiWorld: huh? |
| 15:04.00 | haylo | DelphiWorld, read it, or i kill these kittens. a whole basket of them too |
| 15:04.03 | DelphiWorld | sney: there's lot of traffic here in #debian |
| 15:04.10 | haylo | and they are cute |
| 15:04.13 | DelphiWorld | haylo, i will read now |
| 15:04.16 | milo__ | bzed, i also used to do that method when I need the firmware for my realtek chip and it worked. |
| 15:04.19 | sney | as usual, but usually the traffic isn't this contentious |
| 15:04.22 | nevyn | bzed: ok it's not totally useless.. but it's not helpful with this problem... |
| 15:04.22 | haylo | ok, cool. the kittens thank you |
| 15:04.43 | Bartzy | Is there any reason to over provision current SSD drives ? |
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| 15:05.11 | DelphiWorld | sney: due to my screen reader |
| 15:05.16 | nevyn | Bartzy: overprovision? as in thin provisioning? |
| 15:05.24 | sney | milo__: since #debian on both networks is considered an official support resource, it's highly recommended that you only link people to supported resources.... imagine someone went off to follow your howto link, then had a problem an hour later and came back for questions. people in here would have to tell them it wasn't supported. |
| 15:05.30 | Bartzy | nevyn: As in not using the entire drive's capacity, in order to allow for GC |
| 15:05.33 | DelphiWorld | milo__: was troling here line by line... if i select sney line then milo__ add another line :-P |
| 15:05.42 | sney | DelphiWorld: ahh |
| 15:05.49 | DelphiWorld | sney: :-P |
| 15:05.49 | nevyn | Bartzy: that's in firmware hidden from you anyway |
| 15:05.50 | milo__ | that's it |
| 15:05.56 | milo__ | people are very rude to me here |
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| 15:06.08 | nevyn | Bartzy: ie a 160gig ssd has 200gig of flash memory in it. |
| 15:06.09 | haylo | rage quit |
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| 15:06.37 | Bartzy | nevyn: Yeah, but you can do it too (many people do) to make life easier for the drive in high load environments |
| 15:06.43 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: are you intentionally being irritating? |
| 15:06.51 | Bartzy | nevyn: That's BS and I should be fine with just the device's over provisioning ? |
| 15:07.02 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: no, what did i do ? i just told sney the reason |
| 15:07.04 | sney | abrotman: I don't think so? language difficulties |
| 15:07.16 | haylo | DelphiWorld, also dont PM people without asking them first. and dont ask people to PM |
| 15:07.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:07.29 | haylo | its kind of what we call a catch22 |
| 15:07.33 | DelphiWorld | haylo: you allready seen why i asked you for pm |
| 15:07.41 | nevyn | Bartzy: it's somewhat more complicated than that. |
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| 15:07.49 | Bartzy | nevyn: ..? |
| 15:07.57 | DelphiWorld | haylo: due to the channel traffic i asked for pm for easy readability for me, that's all |
| 15:08.02 | DelphiWorld | sory abrotman for anything bad :( |
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| 15:09.20 | Bartzy | nevyn: Sorry, got disconnected. |
| 15:10.24 | nevyn | Bartzy: so just partitioning smaller isn't going to make the firmware magically "more efficient" |
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| 15:10.35 | milo__ | >:( |
| 15:11.09 | Bartzy | nevyn: Can you resend your last few messages, I was disconnected |
| 15:11.14 | nevyn | Bartzy: however being nice to the device (by using a appropriate filesystem for example) will improve lifecycles |
| 15:11.15 | Bartzy | got only: <nevyn> Bartzy: it's somewhat more complicated than that. |
| 15:11.25 | nevyn | that was the last message i sent |
| 15:11.39 | DelphiWorld | haylo, the book say example of 3.2 while that's not found in squeeze. |
| 15:11.42 | nevyn | s/lifecycles/lifetime/ |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: see backports.debian.org |
| 15:12.12 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: so i see that backport is required anyway |
| 15:12.20 | abrotman | if you say so ... |
| 15:12.28 | Bartzy | nevyn: so just use the full capcity that the device allows... and I read TRIM is bad for performance because it's not async ? |
| 15:12.40 | haylo | DelphiWorld, idk i used linux-source-2.6 |
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| 15:12.59 | DelphiWorld | haylo: i say i need 3.4 or later |
| 15:13.08 | nevyn | Bartzy: TRIM will make the firmware more efficient |
| 15:13.38 | nevyn | trim is so async please show docs for where it isn't? it might need a writebarrier tho |
| 15:14.35 | Bartzy | nevyn: and mdadm + lvm supports TRIM if I use ext4 ? |
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| 15:15.22 | nevyn | Bartzy: ext4 isn't a great filesystem if you've got that level of experimental appetite the winner is btrfs |
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| 15:15.29 | nevyn | imo |
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| 15:16.05 | Bartzy | I want something stable and working |
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| 15:17.19 | sney | DelphiWorld: the handbook we linked to you earlier has instructions for building the kernel from anywhere, be it source packages in debian, or vanilla tarballs from www.kernel.org. so, read it, and you'll better understand what you need to do |
| 15:17.23 | tawm | has anyone running testing had their sources.list modified without their knowledge lately? |
| 15:17.47 | DelphiWorld | sney: thank you |
| 15:18.29 | sney | tawm: no, do you have any 3rd party software that might use sources.list to update itself? |
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| 15:18.59 | tawm | sney: non that i know of |
| 15:19.32 | grepper | I'm wondering why in dmesg I am getting "EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: (null)" (as well as "EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro"). Does this have something to do with a quick fsck that is run? And why "(null)" ? I'm also wondering if my fstab line is correct, I recently changed to ext4. |
| 15:19.48 | tawm | sney: afaik the last thing i installed was the ntpd |
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| 15:20.11 | nevyn | Bartzy: then ext3 but it's got some horrible patterns for an ssd. |
| 15:20.22 | nevyn | Bartzy: the journal is particularly problematic |
| 15:20.29 | sney | tawm: what was the change? |
| 15:21.29 | tawm | sney: everything was changed from "testing" to "squeeze", also non-free was added |
| 15:21.33 | Bartzy | nevyn: It's either ext4 or XFS |
| 15:21.52 | nevyn | XFS is nicer. |
| 15:22.04 | Bartzy | OK. I still don't know if I should overprovision myself or not :\ |
| 15:22.05 | nevyn | in that it's disk write patterns are more varied. |
| 15:22.17 | tawm | sney: is there any way to check which arch in used by aptitude? because i think that's fucked, too. |
| 15:22.22 | Bartzy | some say I should, some say don't, some don't even know what it is and just using the drive regularly |
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| 15:22.41 | sney | tawm: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:22.44 | milo__ | http://i.imgur.com/a4zPO.png << Am I right?? |
| 15:22.52 | danio1021 | hi, i have problem with BIND and I need fast solution. Can someone tell me: if I have domain bought, let's say abc.com, and i want to have it configured by my little sweet BIND |
| 15:22.54 | nevyn | Bartzy: that's because overprovisioning isn't what anyone calls it. |
| 15:22.57 | DelphiWorld | good milo__ is back... |
| 15:22.59 | DelphiWorld | sory milo_ksdm |
| 15:23.16 | Bartzy | nevyn: So what should I google for instead ? |
| 15:23.23 | danio1021 | what i should write in my domain DNS field? my server ip? |
| 15:23.32 | skdwoed-22 | DelphiWorld: what did u do wrong? |
| 15:23.55 | DelphiWorld | skdwoerkm-2: i say troling and he go mad. was not my intention to say it |
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| 15:24.06 | r3ekmf | you missed |
| 15:24.13 | DelphiWorld | but is only a explanation but he badly understanded it so say people are rude on me... :( |
| 15:24.38 | r3ekmf | good |
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| 15:25.19 | nevyn | Bartzy: so it seems the firmware is somewhat smarter than I thought. |
| 15:25.41 | nevyn | it appears there's certainly a performance improvement from not partitioning the full space |
| 15:26.06 | Bartzy | nevyn: Where do you see that ? |
| 15:26.17 | Bartzy | nevyn: And how much should I leave out ? |
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| 15:26.44 | grepper | anyone at all have a comment on my question ? |
| 15:26.50 | multifake | danio1021: what do you mean with "my Domain DNS field"? |
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| 15:28.14 | danio1021 | multifake: DNS field on my domain hoster page |
| 15:28.37 | nevyn | Bartzy: ok it's not just partitioning tho |
| 15:28.50 | nevyn | Bartzy: you can tweak what the firmware actually HAS using hdparm |
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| 15:29.19 | Bartzy | nevyn: But I'm installing the OS on it. I don't have hdparm. |
| 15:29.29 | nevyn | Bartzy: boot a livcd |
| 15:29.33 | nevyn | boot a livece |
| 15:29.35 | nevyn | bleh |
| 15:29.37 | nevyn | livecd |
| 15:29.49 | gunkaaa | danio1021: if you only have a single domain, and your provider provides nameservers, you're better off using those |
| 15:29.49 | Bartzy | :\ |
| 15:29.51 | Bartzy | Really? |
| 15:29.56 | nevyn | sure. |
| 15:29.58 | Bartzy | Is that really that important ? |
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| 15:30.05 | nevyn | Bartzy: if you want to do it. |
| 15:30.07 | multifake | danio1021, y... gunkaaaa said it allready |
| 15:30.21 | multifake | I think he's right |
| 15:30.24 | Bartzy | nevyn: Can you provide the links you were reading that there is a performance imporvement from that ? |
| 15:30.29 | nevyn | Bartzy: you're changing the size of the driver |
| 15:30.46 | nevyn | http://www.storagereview.com/intel_ssd_520_enterprise_review |
| 15:30.54 | Bartzy | thank you. |
| 15:31.00 | nevyn | Bartzy: it's in iops |
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| 15:31.10 | nevyn | and they're substancial increases. |
| 15:31.36 | r3ekmf | DelphiWorld: I didn't do anything wrong, remember it. |
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| 15:35.00 | nevyn | Bartzy: http://serverfault.com/questions/276084/how-to-over-provision-an-intel-ssd-raid-array-via-the-dell-h700-perc-raid-contro has details of howto do this with hdparm |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: stop being a pain in the ass |
| 15:35.46 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ... |
| 15:35.53 | abrotman | you've driven that guy out of hte channel twice now |
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| 15:36.05 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: what's going on... man did i do something please i just explained |
| 15:36.07 | sney | abrotman: that guy was pretty touchy, I wouldn't blame DelphiWorld |
| 15:36.23 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: when he comes back, do not talk to him or address him or talk about him |
| 15:36.27 | civillian | Drinks all round |
| 15:36.29 | abrotman | sney: twice ? |
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| 15:36.33 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: milo or the other |
| 15:36.39 | abrotman | they were the same person |
| 15:36.50 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: you see the catch |
| 15:36.55 | DelphiWorld | but i didn't see it, so thank you man |
| 15:36.55 | sney | abrotman: the second time he came back it was to whine about how terrible everyone had been to him |
| 15:37.06 | abrotman | then everyone just ignore him .. |
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| 15:38.11 | DelphiWorld | abrotman or sney ... if any remarque please address me |
| 15:38.24 | sney | DelphiWorld: don't worry about it. |
| 15:38.32 | DelphiWorld | :) |
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| 15:52.59 | t7 | after install gnome-terminal i now get a login screen when i term my computer off, rather than bash |
| 15:53.05 | t7 | how can i change this back? |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | a login screen or a password prompt asking you to enter the root passwd to shut it down ? |
| 15:53.47 | t7 | a gnome looking login screen |
| 15:54.12 | sney | sounds like gdm got pulled in as a dependency |
| 15:54.28 | t7 | what script is starting it? |
| 15:54.58 | nevyn | t7: /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 15:55.32 | sney | I thought it was usually gdm3 even for squeeze |
| 15:55.43 | abrotman | can be either |
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| 15:56.56 | nevyn | t7: update-rc.d gdm diable 2345 I think will "fix" it |
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| 16:02.42 | txomon|home | is it normal that ifconfig isn't installed? |
| 16:03.10 | dvs | uh... no |
| 16:03.16 | nevyn | txomon|home: ls -l /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 16:03.52 | txomon|home | ah, so normal user can't access that info then |
| 16:03.58 | nevyn | txomon|home: then echo $path |
| 16:04.00 | nevyn | bleh |
| 16:04.01 | nevyn | PATH |
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| 16:04.26 | nevyn | txomon|home: no you can run it. it's just not in a unprivilaged user's path |
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| 16:05.23 | abrotman | txomon|home: sure you can, it's just not in your path |
| 16:05.50 | txomon|home | yes, but it is strange to me not having it there... |
| 16:06.23 | sney | well, regular users can't change network settings, so most of the time you're doing something with ifconfig you'd be doing it escalated |
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| 16:06.39 | nevyn | txomon|home: it's right there!... in /sbin/ where it lives |
| 16:07.06 | nevyn | what's annoying is that sudo doesn't do path expansion after escellation |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | txomon|home: you're coming from Ubuntu, right ? |
| 16:07.55 | txomon|home | yes :) |
| 16:08.05 | abrotman | right .. they do the wrong thing |
| 16:08.11 | abrotman | it's not supposed to be in your path |
| 16:08.49 | xand | in general ifconfig is deprecated, not sure about on debian |
| 16:09.06 | abrotman | same |
| 16:09.16 | nevyn | it is but the same thing applies to ip or lvm commands etc |
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| 16:09.22 | txomon|home | what am i supposed to use¿? |
| 16:09.29 | xand | no, because ip is in the standard path |
| 16:09.42 | nevyn | ooh it is too. |
| 16:10.04 | sney | I haven't memorized ip usage yet. maybe I should |
| 16:10.17 | nevyn | wishes that lvs, pvs, and vgs all were in user paths too (they're info only) |
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| 16:10.38 | nevyn | sney: ip addr, ip link, and ip route should get you most things you want |
| 16:11.51 | nevyn | meh scratch that re lvm they need to lock the lvm device. |
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| 16:18.10 | tommo | hi guys, how do i stop gdm from starting at boot? |
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| 16:20.46 | Calinou | !next |
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| 16:21.02 | antgel | hi all. i have a wheezy box which i only have remote access to. the hard disk is failing and i have an external disk plugged in via a usb caddy. i've rsync'd the disks, so the usb disk is ready to go. however i want to be able to make sure that that disk will boot when inserted internally (in place of the faulty one). |
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| 16:21.44 | antgel | i haven't dealt with uuid-based systems much before. i can see that i'll need to edit /etc/fstab after rsync to reflect the new uuid. but how does it work from a grub point of view? |
| 16:22.13 | antgel | when i go to edit /media/usb0/boot/grub/menu.cfg, i'm not sure about editing the uuids in there |
| 16:22.25 | antgel | it says that file is built by mk-grubconfig |
| 16:22.58 | antgel | if i chroot to the usb disk and do grub-install /path/to/usb/disk, can i expect it to automagically work? |
| 16:23.34 | antgel | also bear in mind that when i boot from the replacement disk, there will be no usb disk connected, so i think i might need to edit the device map |
| 16:23.46 | antgel | any help in the above scenario appreciated, hope i explained it okay |
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| 16:25.53 | gsr | where can I get a list of dpkg error statuses and their meanings - getting error code 10 with dpkg (and apt-get install -f, apt-get autoremove, apt-get purge uq-imapd) |
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| 16:28.41 | tremon | antgel: you can manually edit grub/menu.cfg to reflect the new uuid (remember though that grub uses uuid's in more than one way and location), but the preferred method is to regenerate the file |
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| 16:30.09 | tremon | antgel: make sure /usr, /boot and /var are mounted in the correct location, then mount -o bind /dev, /proc and /sys from your current system the correct mountpoint, chroot into it and run update-grub |
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| 16:30.58 | tremon | antgel: grub-install will not regenerate menu.cfg, but will install grub into the mbr. If you haven't done that yet, you will need to do that too |
| 16:31.17 | antgel | tremon: makes sense i think. wish me luck :) |
| 16:32.58 | antgel | tremon: so basically 1) do the bind mounts 2) chroot 3) update-grub? i didn't quite get what you meant about /usr, /boot and /var |
| 16:33.01 | JenniferB2 | Hi folks. I am ( still ) trying to install debian ... what is a good partion table if you enter the manual mode ? I have 150 GB ext4 on "/" with boot flag on ... and 600 GB ext4 on "/home" ... and 20 GB Swap ... and the rest is unmounted ( 250 GB ) ... will this work fine? should I be considering something else? |
| 16:33.28 | tremon | antgel: if /usr /boot or /var are on separate partitions, make sure they're mounted too |
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| 16:33.52 | antgel | tremon: i see. nope, it's just a simple system with one hard disk, everything on one partition |
| 16:34.09 | antgel | it's my parents mythtv HTPC. why oh why i ever installed it... |
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| 16:35.00 | tremon | gsr: errno 10 is no child processes. did you mount/run a noexec somewhere? |
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| 16:36.42 | fanderal | JenniferB2: leave the boot flag off. 10GB is plenty for root and swap equal to physical ram |
| 16:36.50 | tremon | JenniferB2: 20G swap is insanely large |
| 16:36.56 | tremon | yeah, and ^^ |
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| 16:38.06 | JenniferB2 | tremon: I know swap is overkill .. but I have a bit to much so it doesnt matter... boot flag off ? I like to be safe .. 150 GB might be overkill.. but 10 GB? is this not something that might fill up some how? fixed size for always? |
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| 16:38.49 | haylo | i make my swap partitions in the MBs not gigabytes, because even my 10 year old machines never use it. its for suspend/hibernate. so it tries to match the ram maximum of the machine as default |
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| 16:41.02 | JenniferB2 | tremon: and haylo: if I dont specify anything other than a parition for / and /home ... where does the /usr ... and /... and installation of programs go into ? is it not the root ? / `? |
| 16:41.09 | abrotman | JenniferB2: is this for a desktop? how much RAM does the box have? |
| 16:41.11 | JenniferB2 | 10GB seems to be too small for that |
| 16:41.17 | JenniferB2 | 16GB |
| 16:41.28 | JenniferB2 | yes desktop ... 20 GB is fine |
| 16:41.30 | abrotman | and the box will ? |
| 16:41.31 | haylo | JenniferB2, in / |
| 16:41.44 | JenniferB2 | haylo: so there we go.. 10 GB is too little for / |
| 16:41.50 | JenniferB2 | I will go for 150 GB |
| 16:42.02 | abrotman | why have more than two partitions anyway? |
| 16:42.09 | abrotman | just do / and /home/ |
| 16:42.30 | haylo | yup, on my freebsd machines everything is in / so i can build the kernels and not worry about anything |
| 16:42.40 | abrotman | oh sorry, crossed issues |
| 16:42.43 | abrotman | that's what you are planning to do |
| 16:42.44 | JenniferB2 | abrotman: yes.. thats my intention ... but someone suggested 10 GB for / ... I wanted to be sure... that is not going to do it will it? |
| 16:42.46 | haylo | debian i usually make partitions now, because i know what will hold what |
| 16:43.06 | abrotman | JenniferB2: i'd probably go 20GB / and 10 GB swap, the rest to /home/ |
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| 16:43.14 | abrotman | even 10GB swap is too much for a desktop |
| 16:43.33 | JenniferB2 | and everyone ... boot flag on or off for / ?? |
| 16:43.39 | haylo | abramart, is right JenniferB2 having abnormally large / could cause disk fragmentation |
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| 16:44.02 | haylo | bootflag on for / if you have no /boot itherwise it goes on /boot |
| 16:44.11 | haylo | otherwise* |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | bootflag? |
| 16:44.21 | JenniferB2 | what if you are installing many programs ? ... I know windows usually is not enough with 50 gb nowadays .. |
| 16:44.28 | engla | bootflag doesn't matter |
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| 16:44.38 | JenniferB2 | i am getting mixed messages :S |
| 16:44.40 | haylo | abramart, ? |
| 16:45.00 | abrotman | haylo: A B R O T M A N |
| 16:45.02 | abrotman | it's not that hard |
| 16:45.19 | abrotman | JenniferB2: you don't need the bootflag |
| 16:45.34 | JenniferB2 | perhaps just create a /boot and be done with it ? |
| 16:45.48 | haylo | sorry abramart , i didnt mean to highlight you |
| 16:46.11 | abrotman | you odn't need a /boot/ at all |
| 16:46.16 | JenniferB2 | ok thanks |
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| 16:49.56 | JenniferB2 | is there a way to create an encrypted parition? |
| 16:51.15 | zinx | there are many ways |
| 16:51.15 | JenniferB2 | oh . i see .. physical volume for encryption |
| 16:51.42 | zinx | luks along with lvm (which order is up for debate) seems to be one of the more sane methods |
| 16:51.51 | JenniferB2 | device mapper or loopback :S ... dm-crypt vs AES |
| 16:52.16 | zinx | luks uses the device mapper stuff |
| 16:52.29 | zinx | i would strongly recommend using luks :/ |
| 16:53.00 | engla | JenniferB2: you need /boot for encrypted root. State your needs/design and you'll get better advice |
| 16:53.04 | zinx | if you're going for whole-partition anyway - there are some other things like encfs |
| 16:53.31 | abrotman | JenniferB2: this is in the install guide |
| 16:53.39 | JenniferB2 | no... I just need one small partion to be encrypted where I can store private files on demand |
| 16:53.56 | JenniferB2 | I have mounted / and /home as normal ext4 |
| 16:53.58 | tremon | zinx: sadly, none of the alternatives are relevant in the debian installer :) |
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| 16:55.55 | JenniferB2 | abrotman: yes |
| 16:55.56 | zinx | tremon: :D |
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| 16:56.14 | JenniferB2 | I guess I could wait for later ... zinx: relevant : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614808 |
| 16:57.20 | zinx | not sure how... the dm-crypt stuff has all the functionality of loop-aes, and more :/ |
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| 16:57.56 | doomster | JenniferB2: cryptmount could help, it provides a friendly interface to the whole stuff, although it still requires root access |
| 16:58.42 | tremon | doomster: is there a cryptmount udev for the debian squeeze installer? |
| 16:58.59 | JenniferB2 | it is formatting now.. i went with dm-crypt ... the other option seems alot more complex ... tremon: i dont think so.. I only had two options |
| 16:59.42 | tremon | s/udev/udeb/ btw |
| 16:59.43 | doomster | tremon: I don't know, but it's something for pluggable devices rather, so not relevant during install. |
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| 17:04.40 | antgel | tremon: it worked! you're a legend, thanks! |
| 17:04.43 | antgel | tremon++ |
| 17:05.01 | Calinou | compiles some tremon++ code |
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| 17:09.31 | tremon | if sar (and top) report 100% cpu usage in system, how do I find out where those cycles are used? |
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| 17:10.04 | tremon | is it all interrupt handling, or does it include dirty buffer writeout, more? |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | is it currently happening ? |
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| 17:10.24 | tremon | I can trigger it reliably, yes |
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| 17:10.53 | abrotman | top shuld tell you what's using it |
| 17:12.12 | tremon | it does, but only partly |
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| 17:12.54 | abrotman | so what is it ? |
| 17:13.08 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: You might be able to pin it down with somethng from the sysstat package, but CPU use is CPU use, it's calculation. |
| 17:13.39 | tremon | it attributes all cpu usage to ceph-osd, which makes sense, but ceph-osd never reaches more than 85% and sometimes I get 100% system usage with ceph-osd below 40% |
| 17:13.59 | tremon | so I'm thinking it's buffer writeout, but I don't understand why that would hang the cpu |
| 17:14.02 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: How many cores? |
| 17:14.14 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: It wouldn't. |
| 17:14.25 | tremon | 1 core, it's an arm-based nas. But I can perform local disk writes without taxing the cpu |
| 17:15.23 | Diopter | tremon: Are SI or HI high? |
| 17:16.19 | tremon | si is somewhat highish, between 10 and 25% |
| 17:16.20 | jhutchins_wk | That would probably be due to checksumming the data. |
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| 17:16.24 | tremon | hi is at 0 |
| 17:16.32 | tremon | what's si? |
| 17:16.35 | Diopter | soft interrupts |
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| 17:17.09 | Diopter | If you're getting a ton of small packets through a 1Gbps NIC, for instance, that'll usually peg the core the interrupt has affinity with |
| 17:17.24 | Diopter | Which can cause packet loss if you don't set interrupt coalescence in the driver |
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| 17:17.39 | tremon | yeah, that would bring an 800mhz arm core to its knees :) |
| 17:17.39 | Diopter | So I'm just considering whether or not you're getting interrupt-related issues due to IOPS |
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| 17:18.36 | tremon | it's possible. Can I view that explicitly, maybe in /proc/interrupts? |
| 17:18.47 | Diopter | Yes, though that will just give you counters |
| 17:18.59 | Diopter | However, what you Can see is what IRQs are shared for what devices |
| 17:19.09 | Diopter | If your storage is shared with something else, they might be conflicting |
| 17:19.26 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: Are you doing any encryption? |
| 17:19.42 | tremon | no encryption, and the disks I'm writing to are raid1 |
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| 17:22.24 | reavengrey | freaking debian |
| 17:22.24 | reavengrey | numba wan |
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| 17:22.30 | abrotman | reavengrey: need help ? |
| 17:22.37 | reavengrey | not rlly |
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| 17:22.47 | reavengrey | just having fun, enjoying this great day |
| 17:23.47 | tremon | eth0 and eth1 are not sharing interrupts, and the tick counter for eth0 doesn't increase dramatically (about 100 hits per 2 seconds). I can get much more interrupt hits with non-i/o requests that don't torment the cpu |
| 17:24.13 | tremon | thanks for the pointer, I guess it's somewhere in the writeout path. I'll see if I can optimize that |
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| 17:42.20 | _aeris_ | is away: Away |
| 17:42.43 | Calinou | noone cares |
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| 17:43.14 | tremon | can I view the amount of dirty buffers with sar? I'm pretty sure I can, but I can't find the switch |
| 17:43.19 | _aeris_ | is back (gone 00:00:59) |
| 17:43.43 | Calinou | _aeris_, lol |
| 17:43.52 | Calinou | not even a minute! |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | _aeris_: please turn that off |
| 17:44.20 | _aeris_ | abrotman > this is what i try to do |
| 17:44.28 | _aeris_ | unit test failure >< |
| 17:44.39 | abrotman | _aeris_: which IRC client? |
| 17:44.46 | _aeris_ | xchat |
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| 17:44.56 | abrotman | it's a checkbox to not announce |
| 17:44.57 | Calinou | _aeris_, it's easy to disable it :P |
| 17:45.02 | Calinou | or just don't use away |
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| 17:45.39 | _aeris_ | Calinou > somebody else on another chan want i use away instead of nick change |
| 17:45.46 | _aeris_ | >< |
| 17:45.49 | tremon | hmm... odd... both free and sar maintain that the amount of dirty buffers hardly changes even though I'm streaming large writes to the nas |
| 17:45.53 | abrotman | _aeris_: that's fine .. just find the checkbox and turn it off |
| 17:46.03 | Calinou | "somebody else" > sounds like an idiot :} |
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| 17:46.08 | tremon | _aeris_: chatting, general |
| 17:46.13 | _aeris_ | found ! |
| 17:46.14 | abrotman | Calinou: do you have anything useful to contribute? |
| 17:46.28 | Calinou | hides and says: "not anymore" |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | that wasn't useful to begin wtih |
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| 17:47.59 | Diopter | tremon: Are you streaming the same large writes? :P |
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| 17:49.42 | tremon | Diopter: repeating the same commands, yes. I'm using rados bench, which writes 16 simultaneous 4MB streams of not-so-random data |
| 17:50.09 | tremon | currently achieving a whopping throughput of 0.786 MB/sec ;) |
| 17:50.48 | jhutchins_wk | _aeris_: Using away is fine, just turn off the messages. You can use nick changes as well. |
| 17:51.02 | Diopter | tremon: Beastly |
| 17:51.20 | _aeris_ | jhutchins_wk > on other chan, people kill for nick change :þ |
| 17:51.24 | jhutchins_wk | Some people get entirely too caught up in making up "rules" for IRC and forget that it's an open medium. |
| 17:51.38 | tremon | hence my desire to know why the entire system "stalls" with 100% sys cpu |
| 17:51.52 | jhutchins_wk | _aeris_: Sounds like a bunch of fools, nick changes happen. |
| 17:53.56 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: I think you need to get more information on your system architecture. If you're not checksumming or encoding the CPU has almost nothing to do with I/O on a standard Intel-style system. |
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| 17:54.58 | doomster | even small-ish embedded machines have IO-offload capabilities... |
| 17:54.59 | tremon | hmm... probably true |
| 17:55.32 | tremon | it has offload for xor and crypto... using neither |
| 17:55.57 | mpg` | Hi! How are the 'Similar packages' list on p.d.o generated? |
| 17:56.05 | abrotman | example? |
| 17:56.44 | Bartzy | I just installed debian squeeze like that: 4 SSDs, I did RAID1 on 4 partitions (1 on each drive) of 200MB, and put /boot on it (md0, ext2). Then I did RAID10 on 4 partitions (1 on each drive) on what remained from each drive. Then I put LVM on top of that, and created a swap partition and a root (/) partition (ext4). Now My system won't boot. It says something about raid10: not enough operational mirrors for md1 |
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| 17:57.02 | Bartzy | Anyone has a clue ? :| I got into a busybox from there. |
| 17:57.04 | abrotman | mpg`: i'd guess the debtags, but i really can't say for certain |
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| 17:57.23 | abrotman | thought LVM did raid already? |
| 17:57.25 | mpg` | I'd like to suggest that pep8 be listed as similar to pylint, pychecker and pyflakes, but I don't know where to report that |
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| 17:57.51 | Diopter | Bartzy: Sounds like you put your 4 partitions into one half of the mirror in the RAID10 |
| 17:57.58 | Diopter | Bartzy: I.e., striped 4 instead of 2 |
| 17:59.02 | Bartzy | Diopter: I just selected RAID10 in the install. It asked me how many drives active. I said 4 and chose the 4 partitions , 1 on each drive. Then how many spare, I chose 0 |
| 17:59.17 | Bartzy | It gave me the right GB count. 512GB from a 1024GB total (256GB per drive). |
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| 18:00.40 | Bartzy | Diopter: Did I do anything wrong ? |
| 18:00.53 | Diopter | Bartzy: I haven't setup a RAID10 from the installer, so not sure. |
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| 18:01.08 | Bartzy | :\ |
| 18:01.09 | tremon | Bartzy: can you paste /proc/mdstat somewhere? |
| 18:01.18 | Diopter | Aye, good place to start |
| 18:01.47 | Bartzy | tremon: Yeah, just a sec. It says some weird stuff about md0 being only 2 drives (RAID1 of 4 drives), and RAID10 being 2 drives too.. I don't understand it. |
| 18:02.02 | Bartzy | Then when I --assemble again, it looks good, but after a reboot the same message appears. |
| 18:02.12 | tremon | looks confused as his nas now takes 0m19.875s to delete a 4mb file |
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| 18:03.37 | Diopter | Bartzy: Might have a screwy mdadm config |
| 18:03.38 | tremon | Bartzy: are all four drives connected to the same controller? |
| 18:03.47 | tremon | or same controller type? |
| 18:03.56 | Bartzy | tremon: Yes. |
| 18:04.07 | tremon | well there goes theory #1 ;) |
| 18:05.23 | Bartzy | Any shots for theory #2 ? :) |
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| 18:06.04 | tremon | theory #2 requires a hexdump of the md superblocks, let's not go there ;) |
| 18:06.19 | tremon | Bartzy: paste a full dmesg as well. I'm still guessing that the mdadm logic triggers before all four drives are properly detected |
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| 18:07.52 | Bartzy | from finnix everything looks good ! it finds the LVM and RAID and everything! |
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| 18:09.21 | Bartzy | I think grub is somehow misconfigured |
| 18:09.31 | Bartzy | because I just booted finnix livecd |
| 18:09.36 | Bartzy | and mounted the root partition, which is in LVM, which is in RAID10. it works. |
| 18:09.58 | tremon | my money's on the initramfs, not grub. Grub shouldn't be able to affect the kernel's detection logic |
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| 18:10.10 | Diopter | Bartzy: Have you tried assembling your array, then dumping out a new mdadm.conf, then update-grub, then update-initramfs -u? |
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| 18:10.23 | Diopter | Would pretty much cover all the potential bases |
| 18:11.00 | Bartzy | How do I dump a new mdadm.conf? |
| 18:11.16 | Bartzy | Also, on which drive grub is/should be installed? All 4 ? |
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| 18:11.22 | Bartzy | what is update-initramfs -u ? |
| 18:11.24 | Bartzy | :D |
| 18:12.30 | r4co0n | What's up with #debian-next? Last few times I tried to connect the channel was invite only. Was its purpose changed? If so, you may want to change this channel's topic... |
| 18:12.52 | tremon | r4co0n: irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:13.13 | r4co0n | tremon, yeah, im just stupid, sry |
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| 18:13.26 | Diopter | Bartzy: Rebuilds your initramfs (updates the current one). |
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| 18:13.45 | Bartzy | OK - weird stuff - looks like md0 is not my boot partition |
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| 18:13.49 | Bartzy | and instead it's in the RAID10 array |
| 18:13.54 | Bartzy | I will try to reinstall |
| 18:14.24 | Bartzy | if I specify that a partition is for /boot, that should be enough ? |
| 18:14.38 | Bartzy | It is ext2, maybe that was it ? |
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| 18:17.04 | tremon | Bartzy: I've never been much of a fan of d-i partman. If you can, pre-create your partitions now and don't let partman alter them |
| 18:17.27 | Bartzy | partman = the partition manager of the debian installer ? |
| 18:17.39 | Bartzy | But how can I create them with all the RAID and LVM complexity ? Via finnix ? |
| 18:18.03 | Bartzy | I still have to specify which partition is /boot and which is / , in d-i. |
| 18:18.17 | tremon | you're on a livecd now, right? you can use (g)parted now, or try it through the command line |
| 18:19.08 | tremon | Bartzy: yes, the mappings should be done through the debian installer. But you can choose to "use existing partitioning" (slt) |
| 18:19.27 | Bartzy | tremon: Yes I'm on finnix |
| 18:19.32 | Bartzy | tremon: Although everything looks very good :\ |
| 18:19.46 | Bartzy | /proc/mdstat looks good. LVM is recognized. |
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| 18:20.01 | Bartzy | I have 1 question that I don't understand - grub is installed on a physical drive, right? Not RAID or something ? |
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| 18:20.09 | Bartzy | So.. Which of the 4 drives it is installed on ? |
| 18:20.14 | Bartzy | What happens when that device fails ? |
| 18:20.23 | tremon | grub needs to be installed on the physical drive from which the bios boots |
| 18:20.52 | tremon | if that device fails, hopefully the bios will choose a different boot device. Or it will whine and wait for you to come and rescue it |
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| 18:29.38 | tremon | gah. reducing the ceph journal size from 4G to 400MB makes the system much more manageable. Maybe it fsyncs the entire journal? |
| 18:30.14 | tremon | I'll follow up on #ceph |
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| 18:33.12 | Diopter | tremon: Exciting! |
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| 18:33.34 | freebird | hi |
| 18:34.02 | tremon | yeah... who knew that reducing write buffer size would increase performance ;) |
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| 18:37.44 | ConnorJM | hi |
| 18:38.19 | ConnorJM | I setup a chroot, yet I receive the following error: |
| 18:38.21 | ConnorJM | Error opening terminal: xterm. |
| 18:38.35 | ConnorJM | when attempting to start nano. |
| 18:38.40 | ConnorJM | Any ideas? |
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| 18:39.42 | tremon | export TERM=linux ? |
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| 18:40.22 | ConnorJM | Didn't work |
| 18:40.38 | tremon | or install terminfo (which may be part of ncurses, not sure) |
| 18:41.11 | tremon | how do you enter the chroot? are you in a console or a graphical terminal? |
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| 18:41.31 | ConnorJM | well |
| 18:41.38 | ConnorJM | It's a jailed chroot |
| 18:41.42 | ConnorJM | for ssh |
| 18:42.13 | ConnorJM | user@hostname:~$ export TERM=linux |
| 18:42.13 | ConnorJM | user@hostname:~$ nano |
| 18:42.13 | ConnorJM | Error opening terminal: linux. |
| 18:42.31 | ConnorJM | I followed this, if it helps: http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze |
| 18:42.35 | tremon | unset TERM ? |
| 18:43.31 | ConnorJM | user@hostname:~$ unset TERM |
| 18:43.32 | ConnorJM | user@hostname:~$ nano |
| 18:43.32 | ConnorJM | Error opening terminal: unknown. |
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| 18:46.46 | tremon | ConnorJM: find /lib/terminfo |
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| 18:47.03 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, your chroot is not a fully operational Debian - it lacks many useful parts, such as the termcap db, I guess... it's best if you use debootstrap instead |
| 18:47.08 | tremon | wonders why that needs to be in /lib |
| 18:47.40 | dondelelcaro | tremon: because /lib is mounted early, and you kind of need the termcap files very early |
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| 18:48.32 | thewanderer1 | plus there's no better place to put it... |
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| 18:49.28 | tremon | well, there is /usr/share. But indeed that may not be accessible in a rescue situation |
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| 18:49.44 | ConnorJM | so |
| 18:49.47 | ConnorJM | what do I do? |
| 18:49.52 | thewanderer1 | btw. Fedora decided to drop /lib completely - I wonder how that works out in the long run |
| 18:50.11 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, set up a real chroot, using debootstrap, instead of using the script |
| 18:50.13 | tremon | fedora also doesn't support having /usr on a separate partition |
| 18:50.28 | ConnorJM | hmm |
| 18:50.28 | thewanderer1 | aha... so not so well, it seems :P |
| 18:50.36 | ConnorJM | how does debootstrap work? |
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| 18:51.00 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, the manpage will surely tell you |
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| 18:51.54 | enlace_quimico | any suggestions on the best supported raid controller? |
| 18:52.08 | ConnorJM | but |
| 18:52.42 | ConnorJM | Does that basicly copy the binaries/everything else into the specified directory? |
| 18:52.49 | gnarface | enlace_quimico: i'd avoid them personally and just use software raid (way less hassle) unless you really need the performance |
| 18:52.52 | abrotman | enlace_quimico: in what? |
| 18:53.10 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, generally, yes |
| 18:53.32 | gnarface | enlace_quimico: adaptec cards are pretty well supported usually though |
| 18:53.34 | ConnorJM | well, I'm setting up a system where users would need to acccess the same binaries |
| 18:53.41 | tremon | ConnorJM: debootstrap performs a debian install, not a copy from your current system |
| 18:53.45 | ConnorJM | That would use too much diskspace |
| 18:53.55 | Bartzy | Is it possible that while booting, mdadm is still not ready, and grub wants to boot from it ? |
| 18:54.10 | tremon | ConnorJM: if they need access to the same binaries, why are they in a jail? |
| 18:54.16 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, so don't use chroot per user |
| 18:54.34 | ConnorJM | so I can chroot them to the /home/ |
| 18:54.37 | tremon | Bartzy: grub doesn't boot from mdadm |
| 18:54.43 | enlace_quimico | gnarface, sounds like i should stick to software. |
| 18:54.49 | ConnorJM | and how would I chroot multiple users? |
| 18:54.57 | enlace_quimico | gnarface, only raid 1. |
| 18:55.02 | tremon | grub only loads the kernel from its own partition (which can be raid1), and then lets kernel handle everything else |
| 18:55.33 | Bartzy | tremon: What do you mean ? I set it up |
| 18:55.57 | ConnorJM | as currently, the binaries are in /home/bin/ and the users are chrooted to /home/ |
| 18:56.03 | tremon | you said "grub wants to boot from [mdadm]" but that's not possible |
| 18:56.23 | ConnorJM | would I just do, debootstrap <user> /home/ |
| 18:56.34 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, why do you want to chroot users? |
| 18:56.35 | Bartzy | tremon: why not? I meant I see the grub screen, then I choose a kernel , and it is trying to boot from /dev/md0 .... |
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| 18:57.53 | ConnorJM | thewanderer1, not entirely sure, but I was told it keeps them seperate from each other? |
| 18:58.04 | Bartzy | tremon: OK , got it.. so is it possible the kernel is trying to load while the drives/mdadm are not ready yet ? |
| 18:58.10 | ConnorJM | Securing them? |
| 18:58.33 | tremon | Bartzy: yes, that's what I suspect (hence why I asked for dmesg) |
| 18:58.47 | gnarface | enlace_quimico: yea, with modern hardware (any cpu >1GHZ really) the software raid overhead is fairly negligible for typical use |
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| 18:59.09 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, and how is this better from setting each user's home directory to 0700 so that they can't read each others' files? |
| 18:59.18 | gnarface | enlace_quimico: and it comes along with the benefit that you can stick arbitrary disks together in a raid even if they're on different controllers |
| 18:59.40 | ConnorJM | thewanderer1, I also wondered that |
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| 18:59.52 | Bartzy | tremon: What should I look for in dmesg? How can it be fixed anyway? Why would the kernel do that ? |
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| 19:00.03 | ConnorJM | What does chrooting/jailing actually achieve? |
| 19:00.16 | Bartzy | tremon: It's hard for me to output dmesg... since no networking and I'm using a very weird way to get to the console. |
| 19:00.26 | Bartzy | tremon: But I can look for stuff you tell me |
| 19:00.27 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, in your use case? nothing |
| 19:00.33 | ConnorJM | yes |
| 19:00.37 | ConnorJM | What is it usually used for |
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| 19:00.48 | gnarface | ConnorJM: all a chroot is is a way to swap out the root file system |
| 19:00.53 | ConnorJM | Or, what is it meant to achieve? |
| 19:00.55 | gnarface | ConnorJM: or add extra ones i mean |
| 19:00.58 | enlace_quimico | gnarface: thanks, i appreciate the advice. especially with multi-core cpus, the overhead has to be miniscule. |
| 19:01.15 | ConnorJM | so it doesn't really secure anything? |
| 19:01.19 | txomon|home | which app is used to see tarballs graphically in debian? |
| 19:01.24 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, chroot is *meant* as a way to set up different environments for development and execution. it is not meant as a security feature. |
| 19:01.28 | gnarface | ConnorJM: chroot was never intended as a security feature |
| 19:01.44 | thewanderer1 | txomon|home, file-roller? |
| 19:01.48 | ConnorJM | Well I would want to prevent users access to some commands |
| 19:01.53 | txomon|home | gnome shell? |
| 19:01.58 | gnarface | ConnorJM: it does add a real obstacle for breakins that's just a popular misuse of it |
| 19:02.03 | thewanderer1 | txomon|home, that's a GNOME program, yes |
| 19:02.03 | g105b | I'm trying to make two special 'fn' keys on my laptop work. They send the scan codes of 0x96 and 0x97 and I've added a file to /lib/udev/keymaps/ mapping the scan code to a key code ... unfortunately I can't seem to get a response in /lib/udev/keymap (keep getting `got scan code 0x96 with no key code event`)... any help? |
| 19:02.07 | ConnorJM | and allow them only to access some binaries |
| 19:02.12 | gnarface | ConnorJM: not one supported by the people who make chroot |
| 19:02.13 | txomon|home | ty |
| 19:02.48 | gnarface | ConnorJM: if you want something approaching security-minded jailing like bsd jails you would go for something like linux-vservers |
| 19:03.03 | tremon | Bartzy: make sure there are four drives listed, with properly detected partition tables |
| 19:03.07 | gnarface | ConnorJM: (or any virtualization kernel) |
| 19:03.08 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, you could chroot all users into a single chroot, or set permissions on the binaries accordingly. |
| 19:03.17 | JenniferB2 | I keep getting "intallation step failed" during select and install software! |
| 19:03.27 | JenniferB2 | wtf, what could be the reason? |
| 19:03.32 | ConnorJM | Well, I'm actually helping setup a free shell service |
| 19:03.42 | ConnorJM | So security is an issue here |
| 19:03.55 | tremon | JenniferB2: hopefully, you can find the reason when you press alt-f4 (install log) |
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| 19:04.07 | Bartzy | tremon: What to search for ? There are 4 drives listed. |
| 19:04.15 | tremon | Bartzy: also note the timestamps when the partition tables are summarized |
| 19:04.22 | JenniferB2 | tremon: graphical installer... i pressed continue ... i will have to redo |
| 19:04.26 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, a free shell service admin should know his way around security tools, including mandatory access control and role-based access control (grsecurity, SELinux, RSBAC) |
| 19:04.28 | tremon | (e.g. sda: sda1 sda2 sda3) |
| 19:05.11 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, or you could manage the permissions on binaries and deploy a group-based allowance system, as many traditional UNIX shell services do |
| 19:05.15 | JenniferB2 | tremon: that was quick when I redid the step ... right back to installallation step failed ... no... alt f4 yields nothing .. :( |
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| 19:06.06 | ConnorJM | hmm |
| 19:06.20 | tremon | JenniferB2: press alt-f2, then return to activate the console |
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| 19:06.40 | JenniferB2 | tremon: I am partioning again now.. in a moment ... |
| 19:07.00 | tremon | JenniferB2: if my memory isn't broken, you should be able to run 'in-target dpkg --configure -a' to re-run the last package install |
| 19:08.05 | tremon | Bartzy: also check /dev/disk and /proc/mdstat |
| 19:08.08 | ConnorJM | thewanderer1, why would I need to understand grsecurity, SELinux, RSBAC |
| 19:08.15 | ConnorJM | What risks are involved? |
| 19:08.42 | tremon | Bartzy: btw, you said you could mdadm --assemble and let the boot continue. Why not paste dmesg once you're in the full system? |
| 19:09.16 | Bartzy | tremon: no, i can't let the boot continue. How can I do that from within busybox ? |
| 19:09.51 | tremon | Bartzy: depends on the contents of /proc/mdstat and /dev/disk |
| 19:10.16 | tremon | if you can access your root partition, you should be able to mount it on /root and then type exit |
| 19:10.29 | Bartzy | you mean '/' ? |
| 19:10.49 | tremon | no, /root (iirc, please check what directories are available) |
| 19:11.45 | jhutchins | /root is root's home dir |
| 19:11.49 | tremon | Bartzy: you're now working from within the kernel's initramfs. What normally happens automatically, is that the initramfs mounts the root filesystem (I think it's on /root, but I could be mistaken) and transfers into it |
| 19:11.54 | g105b | how do I find out the name of my computer for a udev rule? |
| 19:12.12 | jhutchins | tremon: No, it mounts /, not /root. |
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| 19:12.29 | jhutchins | g105b: hostname? |
| 19:12.37 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, those tools are often used for securing the operating system from exploits and misconfigurations (however are not fool-proof - hardly anything is)... and the risks are plenty, consider subscribing to debian-security-announce, full-disclosure etc. if you want to know |
| 19:12.53 | Bartzy | So after mounting / and 'exit', the kernel should continue ? |
| 19:13.18 | g105b | hmm, no I think it correlates to the model of your computer... I'm reading a tutorial and they are using 90x3b as their name Bartzy http://jablonskis.org/2012/linux-and-samsung-series-laptop-9-fn-keys/) |
| 19:13.40 | g105b | jhutchins: ^^ |
| 19:13.51 | JenniferB2 | I seem to have gotten one step closer ... kernel to install ? 2.6.amd64 or 2.6.32-5.amd64 ? damn these optins ... |
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| 19:14.05 | ConnorJM | thewanderer1, well aslong as users cannot enter other user's directories, gain access to other accounts, read sensitive log files nothing else can be exploited. |
| 19:14.14 | jhutchins | You might get something from lshw, but read the docs for what you're trying to do and figure out where they got the "name". There is no standard for that. |
| 19:14.22 | ConnorJM | (from our point of view) |
| 19:14.31 | tremon | JenniferB2: the generic one |
| 19:14.33 | ConnorJM | Obviously we have to cut down on abuse. |
| 19:14.43 | ConnorJM | But I wouldn't class that as a breach or exploit |
| 19:15.15 | JenniferB2 | tremon: nothing about generic ... i am guessing the first option ? 2.6.amd64 ? |
| 19:15.17 | thewanderer1 | ConnorJM, then start reading http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions and put it to good use :) |
| 19:15.50 | tremon | yes, that's what I meant with "generic" |
| 19:16.57 | tremon | Bartzy, jhutchins: from initramfs' scripts/local: mount ${roflag} -t ${FSTYPE} ${ROOTFLAGS} ${ROOT} ${rootmnt} |
| 19:17.31 | tremon | from initramfs' init: export rootmnt=/root -- and then exec switch_root ${rootmnt} ${init} |
| 19:17.35 | Bartzy | tremon: Why read only ? |
| 19:18.10 | thewanderer1 | root is mounted ro and then, during early init, remounted rw |
| 19:18.29 | Bartzy | why is that ? :\ |
| 19:18.40 | tremon | Bartzy: if it isn't mounted ro it cannot be checked for errors |
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| 19:22.21 | jhutchins | tremon: If you think the root filesystem is mounted at /root I suggest you examine a running system. |
| 19:23.39 | tremon | jhutchins: we were talking about initramfs. initramfs can't mount the system's root at /, because that would be overwriting its own system. Hence the use of switch_root at the end of the initramfs' init |
| 19:23.39 | sneex | is weekly kernels out of whack? |
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| 19:24.53 | g105b | jhutchins: the file in question is /lib/udev/rules.d/95-keymap.rules, and the line being added is: ENV{DMI_VENDOR}=="[sS][aA][mM][sS][uU][nN][gG]*", ATTR{[dmi/id]product_name}=="90X3A", RUN+="keymap $name samsung-90x3a" |
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| 19:25.28 | g105b | I have a Samsung laptop (hence why I'm reading this tutorial), but it isn't the 90x3a ... so my question is what product name do I put in this file? |
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| 19:28.25 | thewanderer1 | g105b, it's probably obtained by running dmidecode as root - which value you take, no idea |
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| 19:31.28 | g105b | thewanderer1: hmm, my laptop 'product name' is shown there, and in lshw as 900x3b/900x4b. On the back of the laptop there is a sticker to say 900x3b, and I've tried a combination of all of these with no luck. I'm just not sure how to map a scancode to a key code properly |
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| 19:33.22 | Chat4682 | Ola |
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| 19:40.05 | confusid | How do I pull all the ports? |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | pull ? |
| 19:41.17 | abrotman | poll ? |
| 19:41.30 | confusid | have a copy of the ports on my local machine? |
| 19:41.36 | confusid | so I can build them |
| 19:42.01 | abrotman | Debian doesn't have "ports" .. You want the source for the packages? |
| 19:42.14 | confusid | yes :) |
| 19:42.15 | jparkton | ports 1 - 33333 |
| 19:42.18 | jparkton | lol |
| 19:42.34 | confusid | OpenBSD calls them ports.. |
| 19:42.43 | jparkton | makes sense |
| 19:42.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell confusid about source |
| 19:43.07 | confusid | ty |
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| 20:16.14 | freaky[t] | hi all. what do i do if the swap partition is mounted as "auto read-only"? is this normal? or do i ahve to do something? |
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| 20:19.14 | tremon | freaky[t]: why are you raiding swap? |
| 20:19.24 | freaky[t] | standard setup |
| 20:19.30 | freaky[t] | it wasnt me |
| 20:19.35 | freaky[t] | its in the default image from my provider |
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| 20:20.07 | tremon | have you googling for "mdadm auto-read-only" ? |
| 20:20.19 | tremon | needs to insert "tried" somewhere |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | swap is raided anyway ... |
| 20:20.46 | tremon | yeah, but it's normally raid-0... |
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| 20:22.25 | tremon | freaky[t]: http://blog.wpkg.org/2010/05/11/md0-active-auto-read-only-in-proc-mdadm/ |
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| 20:27.30 | chaotic_good | :) |
| 20:27.39 | chaotic_good | :) |
| 20:27.40 | chaotic_good | yeah baby |
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| 20:27.48 | abrotman | do you need help? |
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| 20:28.03 | chaotic_good | me? no |
| 20:28.06 | chaotic_good | I am powerful |
| 20:28.18 | abrotman | chaotic_good: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 20:28.19 | chaotic_good | I am helping many many who know less |
| 20:28.23 | chaotic_good | yes |
| 20:28.31 | chaotic_good | when did debian move to a rolling release? |
| 20:28.35 | abrotman | it hasn't |
| 20:28.43 | chaotic_good | and will the bianries be more up to date goign forward |
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| 20:29.44 | chaotic_good | it hasnt? |
| 20:29.46 | g105b | I'm not used to installing kernel files, could someone tell me what is required to install this git repo? https://github.com/iksaif/samsung-laptop-dkms |
| 20:29.49 | chaotic_good | oh man |
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| 20:29.57 | chaotic_good | really? |
| 20:30.09 | tommo_ | how can i burn an iso with squeeze? |
| 20:30.19 | abrotman | tommo_: CLI or GUI ? |
| 20:30.21 | chaotic_good | ok here is a tek questoin: with vm2 and softraid 10 and say 12 disks |
| 20:30.26 | chaotic_good | what happens when pwoer faults? |
| 20:30.30 | abrotman | chaotic_good: what distro are you using? |
| 20:30.31 | chaotic_good | lvm2 |
| 20:30.57 | chaotic_good | when the power goes out on softraid with mdadm, and lvm2 on top, say 12 disks |
| 20:31.00 | chaotic_good | what happens? |
| 20:31.02 | abrotman | chaotic_good: what distro are you using? |
| 20:31.05 | chaotic_good | assume resierfs is used |
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| 20:31.47 | chaotic_good | 12disks>mdadmradi10>lvm2>reiserFS |
| 20:32.02 | chaotic_good | will that setup survive a power outage? |
| 20:32.05 | abrotman | chaotic_good: what distro are you using? |
| 20:32.10 | chaotic_good | doesnt matter |
| 20:32.15 | freestate | moin |
| 20:32.16 | abrotman | yes, it does |
| 20:32.20 | chaotic_good | lets assume debian most recent stable |
| 20:32.23 | abrotman | let's not |
| 20:32.31 | chaotic_good | ok you pick one |
| 20:32.36 | abrotman | chaotic_good: do you have a *Debian* support question ? |
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| 20:32.49 | chaotic_good | yes debian has lvm2 and reiser and mdadm |
| 20:32.52 | chaotic_good | yes |
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| 20:32.55 | chaotic_good | same question |
| 20:32.58 | tremon | abrotman: you usually have a lot less patience |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | chaotic_good: try it .. let us know .. we'll wait for your results |
| 20:33.20 | chaotic_good | so you dont know |
| 20:33.57 | abrotman | i just don't want to play games with you .. |
| 20:34.30 | chaotic_good | if you dont know thats ok |
| 20:34.33 | chaotic_good | let others answer |
| 20:34.44 | chaotic_good | same qustion usuaslly does take 14 times to be asked |
| 20:34.46 | abrotman | try ##linux for generic linux questions |
| 20:34.48 | chaotic_good | I dotn know is fine answer |
| 20:34.52 | chaotic_good | but lets others speak |
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| 20:40.40 | jagginess | chaotic_good, if the power goes out, you'll need to call your power utility company |
| 20:41.24 | jagginess | uses 120v@60hz on his electrical wiring |
| 20:41.52 | ompaul | chaotic_good: you might want to think about buying a ups |
| 20:42.19 | ompaul | chaotic_good: if you can afford all that expensive disk space you know a ups should be cheap to someone like you |
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| 20:43.26 | ompaul | awww the chaotic_good is not good a time delayed chats |
| 20:45.24 | JenniferB2 | I have restarted the installation like 3 times now. Keep getting installation step failed ... alt + f2 does not get me the log ... how can I figure out what is the error ? |
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| 20:45.50 | JenniferB2 | I want this to work today :( ... |
| 20:45.57 | dvs | JenniferB2: What step does it stop at? |
| 20:46.29 | JenniferB2 | dvs: "select and install software" |
| 20:46.30 | nutron | is there a known fix yet in wheezy regarding nvidia binary blob + libcairo2? |
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| 20:47.24 | dvs | JenniferB2: And the system doesn't start if you reboot? |
| 20:47.35 | JenniferB2 | dvs not sure... |
| 20:47.44 | dvs | I think it might. |
| 20:47.45 | JenniferB2 | the next step is install the grub boot loader on hard disk |
| 20:47.56 | dvs | oh ok. I take that back. |
| 20:48.06 | JenniferB2 | ooh .. i see there is a execute a shell here |
| 20:48.37 | JenniferB2 | how do I cat the log ? where is it located ? |
| 20:49.10 | dvs | JenniferB2: There's an install.log but I forget where it is. /var/log/install.log ? |
| 20:49.48 | JenniferB2 | there is a syslog in varlog |
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| 20:51.06 | dvs | syslog might tell you |
| 20:51.13 | JenniferB2 | at the en of the log I get ... "errors where encountered while processing openoffice.org-common |
| 20:51.23 | JenniferB2 | why is it installing this bullshit anyway |
| 20:51.42 | chaotic_good | utility company? |
| 20:51.45 | dvs | JenniferB2: Because you asked for it? ;-P |
| 20:51.47 | chaotic_good | are you guys stuipid? |
| 20:51.53 | chaotic_good | poer can blip for any reason |
| 20:51.54 | chaotic_good | u know |
| 20:51.57 | chaotic_good | "enterprise" |
| 20:52.08 | dvs | JenniferB2: I'd unselect the "Desktop Environment" when the option comes up and try again. |
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| 20:52.14 | JenniferB2 | no I didn't ... it is possibly in the desktop env... yeah |
| 20:52.17 | JenniferB2 | you said it :) |
| 20:52.28 | JenniferB2 | but I thought desktop was like gnome |
| 20:52.54 | JenniferB2 | I will try again without the desktop ... reformat might be a good idea, right? |
| 20:53.11 | JenniferB2 | otherwise crap files will still lay around |
| 20:53.20 | dvs | JenniferB2: Yes, it's gnome but it installs everything to do with gnome |
| 20:53.26 | JenniferB2 | :( |
| 20:53.46 | JenniferB2 | I will have to sort that out from command line later on then ... :( |
| 20:53.48 | dvs | JenniferB2: Yeah, I'd reformat |
| 20:54.15 | dvs | JenniferB2: Sort what from the command line? |
| 20:54.24 | JenniferB2 | installing gnome |
| 20:54.36 | JenniferB2 | if I uncheck the desktop now |
| 20:55.06 | dvs | JenniferB2: No, it is one of the dialogs that comes up during the installation |
| 20:55.11 | bzed | JenniferB2: something like: apt-get install gnome gdm3 xorg should give you a full desktop |
| 20:55.21 | bzed | JenniferB2: (after the installation without desktop task) |
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| 20:56.13 | JenniferB2 | bzed: I will look into that ... now I have to wait even more.... reformatting ... |
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| 20:58.47 | lady_Bit | hey :) |
| 20:58.59 | dvs | yah |
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| 21:03.11 | qw12 | how to automatically log out of console after period of inactivity ? |
| 21:04.05 | Orphis | Is it possible to have apt-get update use InRelease file on Squeeze? |
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| 21:08.20 | JenniferB2 | dvs: Sometime during the installation I get the option to select what to install like the desktop environment... sometimes .. i believe I am either missing it or it is just not coming up... resulting in the installation failed thing |
| 21:08.29 | JenniferB2 | I am reformatting once again noe |
| 21:08.32 | JenniferB2 | w |
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| 21:09.25 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you can install it afterwards too, don't have to go through everything |
| 21:09.54 | qw12 | JenniferB2: if you want to do fresh install, you don't have to reformat ! just delete the partition, i guess you mean the same |
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| 21:12.06 | is_k3203_brkn | hi. i've these packages held back: http://paste.debian.net/179097/ if i unhold them, then i apt-get update and then upgrade and i then do "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms:295.53 will all the other packages (the one of my paste) adapt their version to the one of nvidia-kernel-dkms ? |
| 21:12.08 | dvs | JenniferB2: Sometimes? |
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| 21:14.20 | insane_meercat | anyone here know loqwe or wopqjgje? |
| 21:14.46 | qw12 | how to automatically log out of console after period of inactivity ? |
| 21:14.49 | reavengrey | wtfack |
| 21:14.52 | reavengrey | is that |
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| 21:15.50 | JenniferB2 | dvs: yeah, like after the reformation or repartioning now... i get the instlattion step configuring the package manager failed.. without being asked anything ... normally I be asked to continue .. choose mirror or something |
| 21:16.19 | JenniferB2 | I guess I should try restarting the installation by rebooting |
| 21:16.29 | JenniferB2 | fuck this is painful... |
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| 21:17.06 | JenniferB2 | welcome back to the linux world i guess |
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| 21:18.42 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: apt-get -u |
| 21:19.25 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: probably, unless you put them on hold manually |
| 21:19.26 | dvs | JenniferB2: It's never been that painful for me. |
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| 21:19.43 | dvs | Well, as far as the install step is concerned. |
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| 21:21.41 | JenniferB2 | yeah.. me neither... I am unsure what the problem is .. i have been doing this for weeks... ( vacation in between ) but earlier I was keeping my home dir... and getting successfull installation but unable to start the system ... yesterday I copied everything over ( took a day from a live cd ) ... and now I am reformatting ... hoping it would install smoothly and then hopefully also start... new desktop computer motherboard.. so I am |
| 21:21.41 | JenniferB2 | the real issue here |
| 21:22.33 | dvs | Ah, new motherboard. That'll be trouble. |
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| 21:23.15 | dvs | I'd try a kmuto image because the motherboard may not be recognized by the kernel in Debian 6.0 |
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| 21:24.25 | birdbath | is there a way to get the package installer to stop asking for the install dvds? |
| 21:24.43 | dondelelcaro | birdbath: with preseeding, yes. Or don't provide it with one, and it'll stop asking. |
| 21:24.46 | dvs | birdbath: Comment out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:25.08 | dondelelcaro | notices "package"... what dvs said |
| 21:25.18 | qw12 | dvs : is there a way to make the system log out after priod of inactivity, but only on the main console machine (not ssh) ? |
| 21:25.19 | dvs | !beer me |
| 21:25.19 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Batch 50 GFAR for dvs |
| 21:25.30 | dvs | qw12: I don't know |
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| 21:25.37 | qw12 | ok |
| 21:25.59 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: do you happen to know ? |
| 21:26.39 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: the 295 version is the old one. The actual verion for nvidia-kernel-dkms is 302.17. I want to keep the 295 version. What i mean is: if i downgrade that package (nvidia-kernel-dkms) will all the other ones follow it with the downgrade? or will i have nvidia-kernel-dkms version == 295 and all the other packages (that are used with it) upgraded to the last version? What i want to avoid is having nividia packages incompatible (aka too now) with t |
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| 21:26.49 | dondelelcaro | qw12: yes |
| 21:27.27 | is_k3203_brkn | *(aka too new) |
| 21:27.40 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: is there a way to make the system log out after priod of inactivity, but only on the main console machine (not ssh) ? |
| 21:27.55 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: do you mean hold dkms? or actually downgrade? how are you planning on doing that? |
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| 21:28.10 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: and the necessary deps will be held back as well, yes |
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| 21:28.58 | oo_miguel | Is there something like a notifier, that I can run in my tray, and as soon as I send a message to it somehow. I get notified! (i.e.: some compilation on other workspace finishes, or new mail arrives.. what triggers something like: notification_to_tray -message "something important happened on other workspace: compilation of foobar finished! "; |
| 21:29.03 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 21:29.22 | dondelelcaro | qw12: set TMOUT in /etc/profile, but only do it for physical ttys |
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| 21:29.43 | oo_miguel | because I loose lots of time by switchign between workspace just to check if something happened there |
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| 21:30.30 | fbh | oo_miguel: Try looking up Notify OSD |
| 21:31.07 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: how to tell to do only for physical ttys |
| 21:31.21 | engla | oo_miguel: yes, for example zenity: zenity --notification --title A --text B |
| 21:31.25 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: ATM i have an hold on those nvidia packages (the ones of the paste) and an hold on the kernel (to keep using 3.2.0-2) . Will it be ok or do i need to unhold them, them do the upgrade and then do the downgrade (with "apt-get install package:VERSION" ) ? Right now i dont have the normal repo in sources.list (i disabled it for security) . I'm using this --> http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120710T032858Z/ to avoid to break things |
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| 21:34.12 | JenniferB2 | folks... use a network mirror ... this time I choose no... choose software to install now again... graphical desktop env is checked and so is standard system utils ... should it be safe to check the graphical desktop now, considering the use of the mirror earlier might have be the cause of the problem ? or should I just uncheck it ? |
| 21:34.22 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: i followed this procedure: http://paste.debian.net/179094/ |
| 21:34.25 | dondelelcaro | qw12: the output of tty; will tell you |
| 21:35.08 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: sorry, i'm not familiar with this. when something on my testing box breaks i usually just wait for a fix |
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| 21:35.43 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: but there are --simulate or similar switches for the package managers you can use to see what would happen |
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| 21:36.59 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: yes, that's also my filosophy. but it was the new kernel that introduced the break. And it is the new nvidia driver that is broken too. and nvidia driver is not opensource.. |
| 21:37.12 | is_k3203_brkn | ah, ok |
| 21:37.18 | is_k3203_brkn | thanks nkuttler :) |
| 21:37.27 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: oh, then just boot your old kernel, problem solved |
| 21:38.22 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: i didn't get that i read using search that i hsould put "export TMOUT=120" |
| 21:38.37 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: so i simply keep holding (with "aptitude hold $package" ) the old kernel and the nvidia drivers/programs and it'll be ok? |
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| 21:38.57 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: how to now tell its only for the physical tty |
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| 21:40.12 | karihre | Hi, i'm using ssmtp for a small server to forward emails to a different smtp server. Does anyone know how I can map local users to remote email addresses? According to http://raftaman.net/?p=591 I should use /etc/mail.rc but I don't think debian uses that file, and /etc/aliases doesn't seem to work with ssmtp? Any alternative ideas? |
| 21:40.51 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: dunno. i just install linux-image-amd64 and afaict the old kernels are kept by default |
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| 21:41.13 | sc30317 | is there any way to install firefox 13.0.1 on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 21:41.18 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: so i always have an older kernel/nvidia driver combination around |
| 21:41.19 | mrdeb | hello. i need help with startup error exim4 paniclog. i do not use exim and i want ot stop error |
| 21:41.20 | sc30317 | besides installing it from source of course |
| 21:41.21 | mrdeb | please help |
| 21:42.11 | mrdeb | hello. i need help with startup error exim4 paniclog. i do not use exim and i want ot stop error |
| 21:42.12 | nkuttler | mrdeb: what's the error? |
| 21:42.18 | nkuttler | !tell mrdeb about repeating |
| 21:42.23 | mrdeb | nkuttler: it says exim-4 panic log |
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| 21:42.35 | nkuttler | mrdeb: certainly not. what's the exact error? |
| 21:42.36 | mrdeb | can i remove it |
| 21:42.42 | nkuttler | mrdeb: you should read it first |
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| 21:43.09 | tremon | !tell sc30317 about mdn |
| 21:44.38 | mrdeb | nkuttler: i cant check without leaving |
| 21:45.02 | nkuttler | mrdeb: hm? |
| 21:45.13 | sc30317 | tremon, exactly what I was looking for thansk |
| 21:45.15 | sc30317 | *thansk |
| 21:45.16 | sc30317 | *thanks |
| 21:45.24 | sc30317 | looks like I need to learn to type |
| 21:45.46 | tremon | third time is a charm ;) |
| 21:47.07 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: how can you have more than one nvidia driver around? it will only keep one and if you hold the package apt will not install the new version. isnt it ? |
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| 21:47.38 | mrdeb | nkuttler: i just install openbox on new debian squeeze system but i get error now iwth exim-4 panic log. how do i remove exim 4 |
| 21:47.47 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: no, the kernel module is built and in /lib/modules/foo |
| 21:47.57 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: doesn't matter if the dkms package is uninstalled |
| 21:48.09 | nkuttler | mrdeb: with rm? |
| 21:48.12 | JenniferB2 | on install I choose to uncheck the desktop environment due to issues earlier .. now the installation worked! but how can I install the desktop environment now? all I have is the console ... and the unetboot installation although from here if I check "select and install software" it wants me to install teh base system again!? |
| 21:48.22 | nkuttler | mrdeb: and the necessary rights, so probably root |
| 21:49.00 | tremon | JenniferB2: you can either run tasksel, or apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment (assuming you installed Debian stable - 6.0) |
| 21:49.35 | mrdeb | nkuttler: will it give a problem. i read debian needs exim 4 |
| 21:49.46 | JenniferB2 | ok .. i ill go with the latter ... uno momento por favor |
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| 21:50.34 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 21:50.45 | nkuttler | mrdeb: it's just a logfile.. that you should *read* |
| 21:51.41 | mrdeb | what log file |
| 21:51.53 | qw12 | JenniferB2: use tasksel |
| 21:51.57 | mrdeb | i made /var/log tmpfs |
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| 21:52.35 | mrdeb | nkuttler: never mind it is gone now. but i do not know why |
| 21:52.41 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I got *** ... after having run the installaer .. without writing something .. the system is now unable to mount the disk ... I have to reinstall all over AGAIN |
| 21:53.08 | mrdeb | is there a good text only browser for terminal that will show javascript ok |
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| 21:53.53 | qw12 | JenniferB2: did you do a full install of squeeze on your desktop ? |
| 21:53.56 | nkuttler | mrdeb: links2 might do that, but i doubt it |
| 21:54.08 | qw12 | JenniferB2: are you trying to run only linux or a dual boot on tihs ? |
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| 21:55.43 | JenniferB2 | only linux |
| 21:56.21 | JenniferB2 | the problem is that the partiion table seems to have broken when I reintered the installation guide and the root and home was unmounted,. maybe I just need to change that without reformatting |
| 21:56.36 | mrdeb | ok thanks |
| 21:57.19 | mrdeb | also, i copied directory to usr/share/themes, but obconf cant read it as user, only root. how to fix it? |
| 21:57.57 | qw12 | JenniferB2: just delete the entire partition table |
| 21:58.35 | qw12 | you can download knoppix cd burn to live cd or using usb, boot into and see if you can use it with GUI (startx) first on your desktop |
| 21:58.39 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, do you have any other (working) linux on the drive? |
| 21:58.51 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: no |
| 21:59.05 | nsadmin | oh ok, |
| 21:59.18 | JenniferB2 | I am reformatting this time... and unplugging the ethernet .. so it doesnt try to use some mirror that breaks the installation |
| 21:59.21 | nkuttler | mrdeb: um.. usr/share/themes from where? fix the permissions? |
| 21:59.33 | nsadmin | what has you thinking the partition table is damaged? |
| 21:59.44 | nsadmin | or do I have that right? |
| 21:59.57 | mrdeb | nkuttler: from usb stick. how do i change it. chmod 777? |
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| 22:00.24 | nkuttler | mrdeb: usb stick? what are you talking about? |
| 22:00.28 | JenniferB2 | it got broken after I reintered the installation guide ... when I got into the partion thing without choosing so.. and without writing any changes ... then cancelled and rebooted .. the disk was unable to mount the root |
| 22:00.36 | qw12 | nsadmin: can you tell how to close a session on the console (when physically at the machine, shoudn't effect ssh sessions) after a time out ? |
| 22:00.55 | mrdeb | i copied theme directory from usb stick and now i cant change to theme in obconf except as root |
| 22:01.43 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you can install windows and put a linux virtual machine on it if you wish, if you encounter any problem you don't have to keep repeating all the steps |
| 22:01.45 | nsadmin | mrdeb, you should be able to use chmod on a partition that has unix-fs semantics, like ext2, ext3, ext4. xfs, etc... but doesn't include fat or ntfs |
| 22:02.01 | nkuttler | mrdeb: you copied them from usb to where? as which user? |
| 22:02.21 | JenniferB2 | qw12: that doesnt sound like the same ... i want linux first :) |
| 22:02.24 | nkuttler | nsadmin: fwiw, windows filesystems are always 777 afaict |
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| 22:02.56 | JenniferB2 | i have high hopes this is the last install |
| 22:03.12 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: ok, but how can you switch the module ? for example, if i install version 302.17 of the module how can then switch to version 295.53 ? if i do "modprobe -r nvidia" then i can only do "modprobe nvidia" <--- there is no way to specify the version i want it to load, because there is only a module named "nvidia" and it will be the version 302.17 ... will i need to use insmod instead , to be able to load the old one ? |
| 22:03.13 | nkuttler | JenniferB2: i hople it's the first of many.. that works |
| 22:03.28 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: you can only have one nvidia module per kernel |
| 22:03.29 | qw12 | JenniferB2: it isn't the same :), but just a suggestion, you get ALMOST EVERYTHING with a linux VM (if you have enough memory on the desktop) |
| 22:03.37 | mrdeb | nkuttler: same user. should i do chmod 777 on theme dir |
| 22:03.56 | nkuttler | mrdeb: please answer my question |
| 22:03.59 | JenniferB2 | qw12: everything exept speed ;) |
| 22:04.03 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: yes. that's what i was saying since the beginning. that's my problem. |
| 22:04.15 | mrdeb | i said it |
| 22:04.17 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: and that's why i keep various kernel images around |
| 22:04.18 | mrdeb | what do u mean |
| 22:04.27 | mrdeb | i will chmod it |
| 22:04.29 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you get the speed to, i think you cat the VM to use multiple cores too, not 100% sure |
| 22:04.45 | qw12 | nsadmin: can you tell how to close a session on the console (when physically at the machine, shoudn't effect ssh sessions) after a time out ? |
| 22:05.06 | mrdeb | ti didnt work |
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| 22:05.08 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: o.O what do kernel images have to do with that? |
| 22:05.14 | war9407 | !dpkg acroread? |
| 22:05.14 | dpkg | Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from deb-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf>, <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
| 22:05.25 | is_k3203_brkn | i'm talking about the driver. |
| 22:05.29 | JenniferB2 | yes, but you will always have an overlaying windows host taking up some memory and cpu power for various stuff... I know what a virtual machine is ... it is just a guest os |
| 22:05.29 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you can use preseed if you want to avoid repeating the tasks |
| 22:05.48 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: i already told you. the kernel modules (==driver) are stored in different places for each kernel |
| 22:05.49 | nsadmin | war9407, one reader is okular |
| 22:05.49 | JenniferB2 | qw12: it is only one desktop :) |
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| 22:06.00 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: so you can have different nvidia drivers on the same box |
| 22:06.03 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you do loose some, try preseed otherwise |
| 22:06.10 | qw12 | nsadmin: can you tell how to close a session on the console (when physically at the machine, shoudn't effect ssh sessions) after a time out ? |
| 22:06.19 | JenniferB2 | my personal one. .. i am just having trouble installing debian because of various issues ( that is not me to blame for ) |
| 22:06.44 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: so the new version of the driver (302.17) was introduced because of the arrival of the new kernel (3.0.2-3) ? is that right? |
| 22:06.45 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: find /lib/modules/ -name *nvidia*ko |
| 22:06.56 | nsadmin | qw12, this would be a remote incoming session? |
| 22:06.59 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: not necessarily, no |
| 22:07.10 | war9407 | nsadmin: thx, btw acroread says its in debian-multimedia but its not showing up? |
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| 22:07.28 | qw12 | nsadmin: no, physical console, i want the rmeote ssh to not timeout this way |
| 22:07.41 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/179107/ |
| 22:08.03 | qw12 | JenniferB2: sure.. |
| 22:08.25 | nsadmin | oh, it timeouts when thre's no activity? |
| 22:08.40 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: actually... the dkms build system probably rebuild the current driver for all installed kernels. not so sure about this |
| 22:08.42 | JenniferB2 | qw12: when I run tasksel... from root or as the user ? |
| 22:08.59 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: only been a nvidia user for 2.5 years and never had a problem (vs. 10 years of ati problems) |
| 22:09.19 | qw12 | JenniferB2: as root, you want to install some tasks like Desktop environment etc. correct, you need to be root |
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| 22:09.39 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: yes, i think so --> "new driver arrives" ---> new module for every installed kernel |
| 22:09.58 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: you could probably avoid this by remove the linux-headers package for the kernel |
| 22:10.13 | JenniferB2 | nice |
| 22:10.26 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: and i'd assume it's also configurable somewhere in the dkms |
| 22:10.36 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: me too. Never had a problem with nvidia until they invented this nvidia optimus crap :( |
| 22:10.57 | nsadmin | qw12, ok, so we're talking at the moment about the session where you log into the console directly, and this other session that involves ssh, right so far? (brb) |
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| 22:11.10 | colonolGron | hi |
| 22:11.22 | qw12 | nsadmin: yes, i don't want ssh sessions to get affected by timeout, only the console directly ones |
| 22:11.54 | JenniferB2 | qw12: darn ... please insert the disc labeled debian 6.05. squeeze .. I installed from usb :S |
| 22:12.00 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: if i remove that package it will be reinstalled when i do apt-get update;apt-get upgrade if there is an nvidia module upgrade |
| 22:12.10 | nkuttler | qw12: do you know about screen/tmux? |
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| 22:12.18 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: ok |
| 22:12.19 | qw12 | nkuttler: no, sorry |
| 22:12.34 | nkuttler | qw12: you can reattach to a shell session with them, after a disconnect |
| 22:12.47 | nkuttler | qw12: one of the best tools available |
| 22:12.47 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you can use the USB to run a live CD or install through a CD by using its iso image |
| 22:13.06 | qw12 | nkuttler: i used screen long back yes.. |
| 22:13.19 | nsadmin | qw12, ok, so the sessions you want to change this about are remotely incoming ssh sessions? |
| 22:13.21 | qw12 | nkuttler: you are right |
| 22:13.27 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I am at tasksel now :S |
| 22:13.29 | qw12 | nsadmin: exact opposite |
| 22:13.30 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: *"if i remove that package" <--- package is linux-headers |
| 22:13.38 | colonolGron | is there a way to obtain sourcecode of a program via apt-get/aptitude? |
| 22:13.39 | qw12 | JenniferB2: so you finished al the install upto it ? |
| 22:13.41 | nkuttler | qw12: oh wait, you want to log out after idling, but not when connected through ssh? |
| 22:13.45 | JenniferB2 | yes |
| 22:13.45 | colonolGron | like old apt-get source progname? |
| 22:13.50 | qw12 | nsadmin: yes exactly |
| 22:14.03 | nsadmin | wait, confused me! |
| 22:14.04 | qw12 | JenniferB2: just put my name ahead when you talk to me, this way i'd know |
| 22:14.14 | JenniferB2 | qw12: ok ;) |
| 22:14.24 | is_k3203_brkn | nkuttler: btw thanks for you time. |
| 22:14.32 | nsadmin | so it is where someone on the internet sshes into your machine? |
| 22:14.38 | nkuttler | is_k3203_brkn: sorry i didn't have better insight |
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| 22:15.09 | qw12 | JenniferB2: or you can start a pm too (but others may benefit or comment too here) |
| 22:15.10 | JenniferB2 | qw12: If I am lucky I might have already burned a cd before trying with the usb.. no signatures though so it will be a trial and error here... otherwise I guess I will have to burn one |
| 22:15.32 | nsadmin | I want to make this part really clear, because if it is, then that points directly at the file /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 22:15.47 | qw12 | nsadmin: ssh should have NO effect, directly logging at the console only should be logged out after a period of inactivity |
| 22:16.03 | nsadmin | got it |
| 22:16.18 | qw12 | nsadmin: for ssh i have another problem, even if i loose the network connection intermittently i want to keep it alive, |
| 22:16.29 | nsadmin | so it's your ssh server that you want to change, and the file that should be in is listed above |
| 22:16.44 | qw12 | JenniferB2: looks like your usb based is working fine, so you probably don't need cd |
| 22:16.49 | qw12 | nsadmin: LOl |
| 22:16.56 | nsadmin | that may or may not be possible, just so you know |
| 22:17.12 | qw12 | nsadmin: someone told me i change tmout in /etc/profile but make sure it applies only to physical ttys |
| 22:17.17 | JenniferB2 | tasksel is requesting it ... |
| 22:17.22 | qw12 | nsadmin: that way my ssh wont get effected |
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| 22:17.27 | JenniferB2 | or package configuration |
| 22:17.34 | qw12 | JenniferB2: what ? |
| 22:17.41 | qw12 | JenniferB2: are you connected to the internet ? |
| 22:18.12 | qw12 | JenniferB2: if not connect to it, and on the console do this : dhclient eth0 |
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| 22:18.17 | qw12 | JenniferB2: make sure you are on the internet |
| 22:18.32 | qw12 | JenniferB2: and tell me if you can ping some external ip |
| 22:18.48 | JenniferB2 | qw12: yes ... when I ran taskel.. checked desktop ... then at 15% it says "media change" please insert ... specific disc ... 6.0.5 squeeze..officical... binary ...14:34" IN THE DRIVE |
| 22:18.48 | nsadmin | qw12, you/"someone" could be right depending on what it is that causes the timeout... if it's not the ssh server, not sure where to go from here |
| 22:19.06 | qw12 | JenniferB2: that's cos its on other drives, use the network |
| 22:19.15 | qw12 | nsadmin: please forget ssh |
| 22:19.56 | qw12 | nsadmin: i want this to apply to ONLY console sessions. i log into console go out for 10 hours, i want it logged out after 1 hr instead of staying logged in |
| 22:20.05 | qw12 | nsadmin: does that make sense ? |
| 22:20.17 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I am not being giving any options .. .just insert and press enter .. no cancel no nothing.. |
| 22:20.28 | JenniferB2 | I guess rebooting and restarting tasksel |
| 22:20.33 | nsadmin | qw12, and right now both ssh and console sessions are timing out? |
| 22:21.00 | qw12 | nsadmin: tmout does that, yes |
| 22:21.05 | qw12 | qw12: not before |
| 22:21.18 | qw12 | nsadmin: was fine before i chagned this |
| 22:21.31 | qw12 | nsadmin: I THINK |
| 22:21.52 | qw12 | JenniferB2: do "ctrl-c" |
| 22:21.58 | qw12 | JenniferB2: oh wait |
| 22:21.58 | nsadmin | qw12, oh ok, what did you change? which files? how did you change it? |
| 22:22.13 | qw12 | nsadmin: i changed /etc/profile and added "export tmout=120" |
| 22:22.31 | nsadmin | what if you remove that line? |
| 22:22.43 | nsadmin | or just comment it out? |
| 22:22.57 | qw12 | nsadmin: i am trying it now |
| 22:23.37 | nsadmin | 120, is two mins? |
| 22:24.04 | nsadmin | what led you to put that line in? |
| 22:24.14 | JenniferB2 | restarted ... kernel panic ... not syncing VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block .. whyyy?? again!? |
| 22:24.35 | JenniferB2 | before that ... inittrats unpacking failed : broken padding |
| 22:25.27 | qw12 | nsadmin: yes, to test |
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| 22:27.12 | iluminator105 | how do you sort pics of a book with numbers chronological? |
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| 22:27.54 | nsadmin | iluminator105, put numbers at the start of trhe filename? |
| 22:28.23 | nsadmin | like, mv pic1.jpg 001-pic1.jpg |
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| 22:29.15 | iluminator105 | nsadmin, i mean is there ocr way to recognize number and sort them |
| 22:29.18 | JenniferB2 | qw12: look at the pm |
| 22:29.24 | nsadmin | or better example, mv picofmysisatgraduation.jpg 001-picofmysisatgraduation.jpg |
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| 22:30.31 | nsadmin | iluminator105 maybe. where is this number? |
| 22:31.01 | mrdeb | hi. is there some way to add firefox repo to debian so it uses and update all time |
| 22:31.07 | iluminator105 | nsadmin, on the left corner and on the right corner depends how the pic was taken |
| 22:31.26 | nsadmin | ohh, you mean this number is on the image itself |
| 22:31.41 | nsadmin | and it's NOT in the filename at all? |
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| 22:32.25 | nsadmin | the easiest way is manually. |
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| 22:33.08 | nsadmin | that is, a human looks at the pic, sees the number, and adds that number to the filename at the beginning with padded zeros |
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| 22:33.34 | iluminator105 | nsadmin, what do you mechanical page turner, is there technical name for this |
| 22:33.35 | nsadmin | the harder way would be to find some program that will somehow read the image and give you the number it sees |
| 22:33.49 | nsadmin | in short, some form of OCR |
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| 22:34.19 | nsadmin | slide show? |
| 22:35.27 | ultralazer | Hey you guys I studied UNIX/Linux operating system's in college(community/native american school). We used RedHat and NeXTStep. not sure about capitolization anyway I'm trying to get a virtual machine running with slackware 3.1 on Debian host. Is this possible, if it is possible which VM approach should I take? |
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| 22:37.12 | qw12 | nsadmin: actually tmout is not taking effect at all ! |
| 22:37.59 | Diopter | ultralazer: It's quite possible. Your best bet is probably to install libvirt-bin, kvm, maybe virt-manager if you would like a GUI |
| 22:38.17 | ultralazer | Thanks Diopter. I will try. |
| 22:39.51 | Diopter | ultralazer: There's all virtinst which is like virt-manager from the CLI. Helps create libvirt .xml instance specifications |
| 22:40.07 | nsadmin | qw12, ok, so tjhat' |
| 22:40.09 | nsadmin | err |
| 22:40.21 | qw12 | nsadmin: ? |
| 22:40.41 | nsadmin | so that's what had you try this in the first place? (hand wrong place on kbd) |
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| 22:42.01 | nsadmin | and so you need a way of telling the difference between the console login (does this mean like ctrl-alt-F1) and a remote login? |
| 22:42.23 | qw12 | nsadmin: yes ! |
| 22:42.30 | qw12 | nsadmin: i don't use GUI |
| 22:42.42 | Diopter | Ostensibly you can just check their tty |
| 22:42.56 | qw12 | nsadmin: how do i make a asession (even if it includes ssh its ok) time out after sometime ? so that the machine must close the sessoin |
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| 22:43.06 | qw12 | Diopter: didn't get that |
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| 22:44.26 | nsadmin | I just looked at the output of env, and didn't see which term one of my konsoles was using |
| 22:45.00 | Diopter | qw12: Well, console logins will be on tty?, while remote logins should be on pts/? |
| 22:45.00 | LibertyTrader | Hey I am running raspian, does anyone know how I should setup sound? |
| 22:45.00 | LibertyTrader | I have tried installing alsa |
| 22:45.00 | LibertyTrader | but I can't run alsa-mixer or anything |
| 22:45.27 | Diopter | LibertyTrader: What does "but I can't run" mean? |
| 22:45.42 | Diopter | LibertyTrader: You try typing "alsamixer" and bash complains the command isn't there? Or what |
| 22:45.54 | LibertyTrader | right |
| 22:46.02 | nsadmin | Diopter, how do you get the tty? |
| 22:46.31 | LibertyTrader | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 22:46.33 | Diopter | nsadmin: w, who, few other tools, or can read it off of one of the virtual filesystems (/proc, /sys). I forget precisely where |
| 22:46.39 | qw12 | Diopter: how to i make my console logins close the session after period of inactivity, i tried "export tmout=120" in /etc/profile but noluck |
| 22:46.46 | Diopter | LibertyTrader: Neat. Maybe you don't have sound modules loaded up |
| 22:47.07 | nsadmin | oh, something like /proc/tty? |
| 22:47.16 | nsadmin | hmm, does that exist... |
| 22:47.55 | nsadmin | yes but it's a dir... |
| 22:47.57 | Diopter | qw12: Well, getty is what each tty is |
| 22:48.18 | LibertyTrader | Diopter: How do would I go about doing that, I have tried looking for documentation but I cant find any |
| 22:48.19 | LibertyTrader | man alsa doesnt even work |
| 22:48.46 | Diopter | LibertyTrader: See if there's anything in: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:48.51 | qw12 | Diopter: can you tell how to close the session after a period of inactivity ? |
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| 22:49.14 | Diopter | qw12: I'm looking. Have a few ideas on it |
| 22:49.41 | nsadmin | qw12, here's where we're at right now... you already found out about tmout, and you know it works... |
| 22:49.49 | LibertyTrader | cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 22:49.51 | nsadmin | for EVERYTHING, and that's what you do not want |
| 22:49.52 | iio7 | Does anyone know where I can locate some information about Debians plans for MariaDB? Whether it's going to replace MySQL or similar discussions? |
| 22:49.58 | qw12 | Diopter: thanks. |
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| 22:50.00 | qw12 | nsadmin: it didn't work |
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| 22:50.25 | Diopter | LibertyTrader: Neat. Maybe you need to load a kernel module. Probably something raspberry pi specific |
| 22:50.28 | nsadmin | qw12, no, it did work, but it worked too well |
| 22:50.42 | Diopter | LibertyTrader: See if lspci shows an audio device |
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| 22:51.34 | nsadmin | Diopter suggested checking which tty the session is coming in as, and either setting that var or not, depending on which tty |
| 22:51.35 | qw12 | nsadmin: i was trying on lenny and it didn't i don't hink lenny/squeze maks a diff here |
| 22:51.44 | LibertyTrader | bash: lspci: command not found |
| 22:51.48 | LibertyTrader | i dont know why this raspberry pi stuff is so nonstandard |
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| 22:52.14 | Diopter | Because it's a very tiny device with a lot of custom chips, like most embedded systems? |
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| 22:52.34 | Diopter | Just because you can build a distro for ARM doesn't mean everything will just work |
| 22:53.26 | Diopter | qw12: Wait, you were exporting "tmout=" |
| 22:53.34 | Diopter | qw12: Did you try TMOUT=? |
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| 22:54.38 | qw12 | Diopter: yes |
| 22:54.54 | qw12 | Diopter: i put in /etc/profile, "export tmout=60" |
| 22:54.59 | qw12 | Diopter: and logged in again |
| 22:55.09 | qw12 | Diopter: it didn't kick me out after 1 min of inactivity |
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| 22:56.31 | reavengrey | gaaaaaay |
| 22:56.33 | nsadmin | heh, but tmout worked before |
| 22:57.17 | nsadmin | reavengrey, there are bars that swing that way, if that's what you want |
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| 22:57.42 | reavengrey | isn't into that lifestyle |
| 22:58.00 | reavengrey | I'm more of a scat person myself... |
| 22:58.17 | dondelelcaro | please take it elsewhere. |
| 22:58.32 | peterrooney | qw12: you have now shown yourself that case matters for variable names |
| 22:58.33 | nsadmin | oh, ok... well we.come to debian support... |
| 22:59.22 | qw12 | peterrooney: yes, thnak :) |
| 22:59.30 | dvs | ... |
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| 23:00.18 | bombay | ciao |
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| 23:00.31 | reavengrey | ciaossu |
| 23:00.33 | nsadmin | nooo! not !list!!! |
| 23:00.36 | reavengrey | ~~ |
| 23:00.39 | dvs | heh |
| 23:00.42 | bombay | !list |
| 23:00.42 | dpkg | bombay: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 23:01.30 | nsadmin | ok, that's prejudging based on country code |
| 23:01.53 | nsadmin | accurately as it turns out |
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| 23:02.27 | reavengrey | wc -l |
| 23:04.13 | qw12 | Diopter: TMOUT works |
| 23:04.22 | qw12 | Diopter: now how to make it applicable only to tty ? |
| 23:05.25 | nsadmin | qw12, ok, now you need a way of comparing the tty and only setting that var if it's the tty matches (or alternatively does not match) a textual pattern |
| 23:05.49 | nsadmin | you should be able to do all that in /etc/profile |
| 23:06.06 | Diopter | qw12: nsadmin has the answer I was going to give |
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| 23:06.33 | qw12 | nsadmin: Diopter ok, what's the complete answer ? I told nsadming that myself earlier |
| 23:06.53 | qw12 | nsadmin: Diopter well not exactly that, but to make it applicable only for ttys |
| 23:07.27 | Diopter | qw12: You can use the 'tty' command to find out your current tty |
| 23:07.29 | nsadmin | it's going to be something like |
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| 23:07.44 | nsadmin | if (something) |
| 23:08.06 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.07 | nsadmin | fi |
| 23:08.30 | qw12 | Diopter: its /dev/tty1 |
| 23:08.45 | qw12 | nsadmin: how to capture the left side of the something to copmare with ? |
| 23:08.55 | qw12 | never mind |
| 23:08.56 | qw12 | got it |
| 23:08.57 | nsadmin | tty |
| 23:09.05 | qw12 | ok, cool |
| 23:09.06 | qw12 | thnaks |
| 23:09.14 | nsadmin | you could regex it |
| 23:09.39 | qw12 | mind just tellimg ehwat to put in if (something) |
| 23:09.52 | qw12 | i can do it, but would be probably more circuitous |
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| 23:10.41 | nsadmin | something like tty | grep '/dev/tty[0-9]+' |
| 23:11.06 | nsadmin | and when you check the exit status of the grep, it will tell you if that matches |
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| 23:11.52 | nsadmin | and that will be what the if should test |
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| 23:13.18 | nsadmin | qw12, it depends on how you want to test... maybe the grep is the easiest way |
| 23:13.27 | qw12 | nsadmin: ok |
| 23:13.37 | qw12 | nsadmin: i just want to see if its a tty that's it |
| 23:15.54 | nsadmin | then start experimenting with tty | grep -q '^/dev/tty[1-9][0-9]*$' && echo yes |
| 23:16.25 | nsadmin | curious, can you read and understand what that does? |
| 23:18.22 | nsadmin | if that works for you in all the cases you encounter, then your if is going to be |
| 23:18.45 | nsadmin | if tty | grep -q '^/dev/tty[1-9][0-9]*$' |
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| 23:20.09 | mw__ | hey, Im trying to install debian on my mb-air, and I cant get the wifi to work... |
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| 23:20.42 | nsadmin | that says: "success if tty returns anything like /dev/tty(number)" |
| 23:21.15 | mw__ | i've copied two .fw files to /lib/firmware according to a walkthrough I found here:http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookAir4%2C2Testimonial |
| 23:22.02 | sacredchao | I have a 512GB Crucial SSD with Debian on it, and I am getting very bad freeze-ups with sda errors now every hour or so |
| 23:22.24 | sacredchao | My applications stop responding one by one, and trying to run a simple dmesg command returns and input/output error |
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| 23:22.44 | mw__ | but when i run the hardware check for network again i get an error saying that "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed." |
| 23:23.00 | mw__ | has anyone here encountered this? |
| 23:23.19 | sacredchao | Then I must power off with my power button and start anew, and everything works 100% until the next 30-90 minutes when it freezes slowly again |
| 23:23.29 | sacredchao | http://image.bayimg.com/gaagaaaea.jpg and http://image.bayimg.com/gaagaaaea.jpg |
| 23:23.38 | sacredchao | Are images of the sda errors I took with my camera after frozen |
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| 23:26.51 | nsadmin | sacredchao, those two are the same file |
| 23:29.14 | sacredchao | nsadmin: A well I am about freezing again |
| 23:29.28 | sacredchao | So it is difficult to get the correct 2nd link |
| 23:29.54 | sacredchao | [ 3619.300978] ata1.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED |
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| 23:30.03 | sacredchao | [ 3629.303964] ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16) |
| 23:30.03 | sacredchao | [ 3629.303971] ata1: hard resetting link |
| 23:30.34 | sacredchao | Some applications continue to work |
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| 23:30.59 | sacredchao | I can chat in IRC and my music is streaming still, but I cannot run any new applications (even dmesg) |
| 23:31.08 | sacredchao | and soon everything will fail and I must hard reboot |
| 23:31.21 | bzed | sacredchao: that smells like broken hardware |
| 23:31.29 | sacredchao | Yeah I worry as much. |
| 23:31.39 | sacredchao | This is the first real time I boot from an SSD |
| 23:31.46 | bzed | sacredchao: the only thing you might try is a recent kernel |
| 23:31.50 | sacredchao | So it is disappointing I guess |
| 23:31.58 | bzed | or see if there is some weird option set in the bios |
| 23:31.59 | sacredchao | Linux cygna 3.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Jun 28 09:07:26 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:32.13 | bzed | hmm |
| 23:32.15 | sacredchao | yes but it's been working flawlessly for months |
| 23:32.33 | bzed | sacredchao: actually with that kernel I have ata errors sometimes, too, but only on shutdown |
| 23:32.36 | sacredchao | only thing is that the SSD got a bit full recently |
| 23:32.43 | sacredchao | Really? |
| 23:32.59 | sacredchao | Wow that would be lovely if it were a kernel change that could fix it |
| 23:33.39 | bzed | sacredchao: I think 3.2.0-2 worked well. try that or just build a vanilla kernel. at least worth a try |
| 23:33.50 | bzed | and if it works then, please report a bug against the wheeze kernel |
| 23:34.18 | sacredchao | nsadmin: http://image.bayimg.com/gaagcaaea.jpg is #2 |
| 23:34.43 | nsadmin | bzed: ^^^^ |
| 23:34.48 | nsadmin | :) |
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| 23:37.06 | nsadmin | sacredchao, bzed has specified a reasonable test... I hope it succeeds, otherwise you may be looking at replacing hardware |
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| 23:44.59 | zerkalo | N |
| 23:45.16 | zerkalo | #arduino |
| 23:46.21 | sacredchao | Hellooo kernel 3.1 again!! |
| 23:46.45 | nsadmin | sacredchao, does it work/ |
| 23:47.04 | sacredchao | nsadmin: Even before, my setup ran flawlessly for around an hour |
| 23:47.08 | sacredchao | before the freeze comes |
| 23:47.26 | nsadmin | sacredchao so you may need to wait that long to see |
| 23:47.30 | sacredchao | I was doing 1080p video editing, chatting, SSH stuff, bit torrent, and photo management, + music playback |
| 23:47.34 | nsadmin | I wonder if this is a heat issue |
| 23:47.39 | sacredchao | no problems like normal, and fast performance!! |
| 23:47.59 | sacredchao | It still boots up flawlessly very quickly into KDE every single time |
| 23:48.13 | sacredchao | it's only after maybe 1 hour or so that the apps start freezing and the errors come |
| 23:48.31 | nsadmin | so we'll see after awhile, I guess |
| 23:49.24 | JenniferB2 | why is there 54 cds ? |
| 23:49.32 | JenniferB2 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:49.36 | dvs | If you dont have Internet |
| 23:49.55 | JenniferB2 | if only cd1, is the interenet required? |
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| 23:50.11 | kevlarman | JenniferB2: depends on what you want to install |
| 23:50.20 | dvs | JenniferB2: It's not required but you won't be able to install much. |
| 23:50.22 | JenniferB2 | i just want a successfull insall |
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| 23:50.51 | kevlarman | JenniferB2: generally the netinstall images are the most convenient |
| 23:50.59 | kevlarman | since you only download the things you need |
| 23:51.03 | dvs | JenniferB2: If you just got a new motherboard, I'd try a kmuto CD image. |
| 23:51.03 | JenniferB2 | netinstall + |
| 23:51.11 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, if you just install the base and other stuff that's on the cd, the net won't be required, and during install, you would "leave network unconfigured" to have everything come from the cd |
| 23:51.17 | kevlarman | there's a lot of packages you won't use on cd1 |
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| 23:53.46 | qw12 | and you have to swap 54 cds |
| 23:54.03 | qw12 | so its better to use the network like i was telling you |
| 23:54.22 | qw12 | JenniferB2: /etc/apt/sources.list changed to use the network |
| 23:55.07 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I said that uncommenting the cd removed the option to install the desktop environment from tassell |
| 23:55.28 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, there are other ways to install that |
| 23:55.45 | qw12 | it probably didn't take effect and was looking only for CD |
| 23:55.45 | JenniferB2 | apt-get install gnome something? |
| 23:56.00 | nsadmin | but anyway, could you lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 23:56.13 | nsadmin | do you have internet configured now? |
| 23:56.17 | qw12 | tasksel allows you to get the entire desktop environment you can see what all packate list it includes |
| 23:56.23 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, yes, that could work |
| 23:56.27 | JenniferB2 | too late now... i retried a new install... i might get there again soon |
| 23:56.34 | qw12 | lol |
| 23:56.37 | JenniferB2 | apt-get was not recognized |
| 23:57.04 | qw12 | when you redo this, change the sources.list like i mentioned |
| 23:57.11 | qw12 | and use the network, you don't have to deal with 52 cds |
| 23:57.13 | nsadmin | you can only install things if you are logged in as root |
| 23:57.19 | qw12 | that too |
| 23:57.19 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I already tried that |
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| 23:57.26 | qw12 | you didn't |
| 23:57.30 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I was |
| 23:57.41 | qw12 | unless you changed sources.list you can't get packages via the net |
| 23:57.45 | JenniferB2 | yes I told you earlier |
| 23:57.51 | qw12 | JenniferB2: what you may have tried was network install |
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| 23:58.01 | nsadmin | let's not trip on what it was in the past... |
| 23:58.04 | qw12 | JenniferB2: of debian itself, both are different |
| 23:58.21 | JenniferB2 | no.. I edited the sources.list ... ocmmented out the cd ... then tasksell again.. teh desktop environment disappeared |
| 23:58.29 | JenniferB2 | from the list to choose what to install |
| 23:58.30 | qw12 | JenniferB2: network install of debian is not same as installing debian and getting some packages via the network |
| 23:58.34 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, this time, did you successfully configure the net in the installer? |
| 23:58.59 | qw12 | JenniferB2: that's cos it didn't know that you changed probably, not sure |
| 23:59.13 | JenniferB2 | i dont think that is the problem.. i tried to pull the cable... and then installed everything ... and then it still failedx... i think the ubuntu cd is broken |
| 23:59.23 | JenniferB2 | ubuntu iso image is broken |
| 23:59.25 | JenniferB2 | not cd |
| 23:59.28 | jagginess | ubuntu! ? |
| 23:59.33 | jagginess | not debian? lol |
| 23:59.33 | JenniferB2 | sorry |
| 23:59.36 | JenniferB2 | debian |
| 23:59.41 | jagginess | liar! |
| 23:59.42 | nsadmin | heh :P |
| 23:59.51 | dvs | blasphemy! |
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| 23:59.53 | JenniferB2 | i have tried both usb and cd .. and used a torrent image |
| 23:59.54 | jagginess | spanks ubuntu users who lie! |
