| 00:00.10 | JenniferB2 | use a network mirror? |
| 00:00.16 | JenniferB2 | I am going to go with no! |
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| 00:00.21 | qw12 | use your USB to install debian |
| 00:00.25 | qw12 | but get packages via the net |
| 00:00.29 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, you are not letting us properly diagnose this situation |
| 00:00.40 | qw12 | JenniferB2: or solve it too really |
| 00:00.45 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I have been through this step like ten tousand times |
| 00:01.07 | qw12 | JenniferB2: after you installed debian using your usb, changing the sources.list to use the network was first step which you did |
| 00:01.17 | nsadmin | and because of that, you're assuming we know everything you know, and we don't... |
| 00:01.26 | jagginess | JenniferB2, if there's nothing on the usb, you can get the latest normal debian iso for your machine-type (i386 or amd64?), then do.. cat debian.iso > /dev/MYUSBDEVICE (usb device without any tailing digits, means the whole usb drive is wiped out as here) |
| 00:01.43 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I know.. and I keep talking with different people at different times about various problme |
| 00:01.44 | qw12 | JenniferB2: but just went ahead with something else right after |
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| 00:01.59 | qw12 | JenniferB2: lol, that sounds sweet, lol.. |
| 00:02.06 | qw12 | JenniferB2: funny |
| 00:02.32 | nsadmin | because information is missing and the communication is presently a bit strained, we can't proceed further until both sides can drop this strain and info flows more freely |
| 00:02.33 | JenniferB2 | qw12: because you refuse to understand that I did change teh sources.list .. that did not help... I could no longer choose install desktop environment when I ran tasksell afterwards |
| 00:02.36 | qw12 | JenniferB2: why don't you try installing with usb just as you already did, cancel the tasksel, change sources.list and then reopen the tasksel |
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| 00:02.57 | qw12 | JenniferB2: that must be some issue, not related to it, itself, i did get that you changed sources.list |
| 00:03.06 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, are you willing to do your part with that? |
| 00:03.20 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: what part? |
| 00:03.35 | JenniferB2 | i am willing |
| 00:03.38 | jagginess | JenniferB2, http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 00:03.45 | nsadmin | ok, excellent... |
| 00:04.09 | jagginess | (notes http://www.debian.org/mirror/list , the brazil example on that wiki page isnt ideal for someone in n.a!) |
| 00:04.26 | dvs | or Sweden |
| 00:04.38 | nsadmin | so my question to you now, is have you left the net unconfigured in the install, or successfully configured networking, or something else? |
| 00:04.48 | jagginess | isnt there a tui to auto-add to sources.list ? |
| 00:05.00 | JenniferB2 | no.. it is configured .. however I choose not to use the mirrors to use the latest updates |
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| 00:05.36 | JenniferB2 | i will let you know in a second what is in sources.list ... installation complete .. rebooting into console now |
| 00:05.41 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, ok. so, if you were to alt-F2, hit enter and then try ping yahoo.com...? |
| 00:06.19 | JenniferB2 | i am the login screen |
| 00:06.19 | JenniferB2 | root |
| 00:06.22 | JenniferB2 | mypassword |
| 00:06.30 | nsadmin | oh, ok, scratch that last. ping yahoo.com |
| 00:06.32 | nsadmin | works? |
| 00:06.36 | nsadmin | returns replies? |
| 00:06.39 | JenniferB2 | yes |
| 00:06.50 | JenniferB2 | 3 packets sent, 3 recieved |
| 00:06.54 | dvs | rejoices |
| 00:06.55 | nsadmin | great! that ruled out A LOT of possible problems! |
| 00:07.16 | jagginess | thinks JenniferB2 isnt using ubuntu |
| 00:07.19 | JenniferB2 | now.. i do not have graphical anuthing ... sources.list |
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| 00:07.42 | jagginess | JenniferB2, tui>>gui!! :) |
| 00:07.43 | JenniferB2 | first line is the deb cdroom bla bla... |
| 00:07.43 | nsadmin | right, the minimal debian does not have any graphic |
| 00:07.48 | bbqgates | Anybody here have experience installing AMD APP SDK on Debian? |
| 00:08.07 | bbqgates | I'm trying to install AMD APP SDK 2.6 and it's giving me this error -> ldconfig: Can't stat /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu: No such file or directory |
| 00:08.12 | bbqgates | ldconfig: Can't stat /lib32: No such file or directory |
| 00:08.20 | bbqgates | ldconfig: Can't stat /usr/lib32: No such file or directory |
| 00:08.26 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: next line is deb http:...security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 00:08.29 | bbqgates | how exactly would I fix this error?? I assume I'd issue an ln command pointing from my /usr/lib32 directory to the directory of my AMDAPP/lib/x86_64/ |
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| 00:08.49 | bbqgates | whenever I run one of the samples or clinfo I get a segfault... isn't that an indication of a library link error? |
| 00:08.56 | nsadmin | the next step is to comment out the cdrom line (put a # at start of any line with cdrom in it) |
| 00:09.11 | JenniferB2 | and the line after as well.. and then there are uncommented update text and links ... that are "provided as examples" |
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| 00:09.37 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: done |
| 00:09.46 | JenniferB2 | tasksell now? |
| 00:09.48 | nsadmin | ok, try apt-get update |
| 00:09.59 | JenniferB2 | works |
| 00:10.03 | nsadmin | no not yet, we may need one more line |
| 00:10.34 | nsadmin | so there should be some lines in sources.list that start with deb (and not with #) |
| 00:10.41 | nsadmin | how many? |
| 00:10.49 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: yes.. two ... http both |
| 00:10.55 | JenniferB2 | deb and deb-src |
| 00:11.09 | dvs | to squeeze/updates? |
| 00:11.11 | nsadmin | are both have "security"? |
| 00:11.53 | JenniferB2 | and then there is a text saying .. "A network mirror was not selected during install". the following entries are provided s exam,ples but you should amend them ... deb and deb-src again ... but all commented |
| 00:12.01 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:12.15 | nsadmin | great. so you need the main one |
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| 00:12.30 | JenniferB2 | but this time .. it is http://ftp.debiuan... not security |
| 00:12.47 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, oh, show that line please? |
| 00:12.55 | JenniferB2 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updaes main |
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| 00:13.02 | JenniferB2 | with deb before.. |
| 00:13.08 | JenniferB2 | uncomment ? |
| 00:13.11 | nsadmin | yeah, you still need the main line |
| 00:13.22 | dvs | and that's not it |
| 00:13.23 | qw12 | JenniferB2: uncomment the deb and deb-src |
| 00:13.25 | nsadmin | hold off on that for the moment |
| 00:13.26 | jagginess | anyone here knows how insecure masqmail is? (i'm trying it just for localhost:25) -- has absolutely no authentication control and serves as an open relay for everything (i need to find something to secure this) |
| 00:13.27 | JenniferB2 | ook |
| 00:13.31 | JenniferB2 | aha |
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| 00:13.56 | qw12 | JenniferB2: and don't rush to the next step :) |
| 00:13.57 | JenniferB2 | where can I fidn the mirrors for sweden ? |
| 00:14.09 | jagginess | JenniferB2, should be there on the mirrorlist |
| 00:14.19 | jagginess | JenniferB2, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 00:14.51 | nsadmin | jagginess, it's 42.78939827346124% insecure (well, approximately) |
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| 00:15.25 | qw12 | lol |
| 00:15.47 | bbqgates | does anyone else have issues with epiphany or iceweasel causing system crashes? |
| 00:15.57 | JenniferB2 | does all these mirrors contain up to date and similar software ? |
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| 00:16.05 | dvs | yes |
| 00:16.07 | jparkton | bbqgates: yes |
| 00:16.08 | jagginess | nsadmin, i'm using it because of its main supposed feature, i've been spinning with no success with exim (I know exim is able to do it, especially in mua_wrapper mode), would just like it to have it listen on a lanip:25 without relaying everything |
| 00:16.10 | JenniferB2 | or should I just go for the main one |
| 00:16.21 | JenniferB2 | and save myself further headache |
| 00:16.28 | nezZario | is there a way I can mound a ext filesystem so that all files appear to be owned by X/Y uid/gid temporarily (e.x. NOT chmod()'ing) |
| 00:16.37 | nezZario | i can't find it for the life of me in the manpage |
| 00:16.40 | bbqgates | jparkton, what's the issue with them? |
| 00:16.42 | qw12 | nsadmin: afer making the change to my /etc/profile, the login stops at one point, i hit cntrl-c and then able to go forward |
| 00:16.59 | jparkton | bbqgates: I suppose it has something to do with the flash plugin? |
| 00:17.02 | bbqgates | do they have a memory leak? |
| 00:17.03 | jagginess | JenniferB2, yup.. and you can get even later official supported software from backports |
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| 00:17.05 | jparkton | it does/did in my case |
| 00:17.08 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you can put any, if you care much use the main one |
| 00:17.13 | DeusEx | show options |
| 00:17.26 | nsadmin | qw12, ahh; could you pastebin the /etc/profile script? |
| 00:17.29 | bbqgates | how can I disable flash? get rid of gnash? |
| 00:17.36 | jparkton | bbqgates: you can run it from the terminal and see a lot more |
| 00:17.56 | bbqgates | jparkton... that's a good idea |
| 00:18.08 | JenniferB2 | so .. i uncomment now? |
| 00:18.16 | JenniferB2 | save and run tasksell? |
| 00:18.17 | nsadmin | I want to finish w/ JenniferB2 first |
| 00:18.32 | dvs | JenniferB2: You can uncomment but that is not the main archive |
| 00:18.33 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, slow down :) relax :) |
| 00:18.38 | JenniferB2 | hehe |
| 00:18.40 | dvs | that's only a security mirror |
| 00:18.55 | jagginess | gives nsadmin a #debian channel helper award |
| 00:19.01 | bbqgates | hmm... nevermind... I don't have gnash installed... |
| 00:19.03 | jparkton | lol |
| 00:19.07 | JenniferB2 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
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| 00:19.10 | JenniferB2 | ?? |
| 00:19.13 | dvs | nope |
| 00:19.14 | nsadmin | ooooh! a cookie! |
| 00:19.22 | qw12 | nsadmin: here it is http://pastebin.com/C8DcTWWP |
| 00:19.36 | dvs | JenniferB2: That's an update site but not the main archive |
| 00:19.37 | bbqgates | jparkton, what did you do to resolve the crash issue? |
| 00:19.50 | JenniferB2 | dvs: ook... i am waiting |
| 00:19.50 | jparkton | bbqgates: I havent |
| 00:19.52 | jparkton | its ongoing |
| 00:19.55 | JenniferB2 | what is in your files? |
| 00:20.10 | jparkton | show me your files I will show you mine |
| 00:20.11 | jparkton | :P |
| 00:20.11 | bbqgates | I tried installing flash nonfree to no avail... still crashes |
| 00:20.15 | qw12 | lol |
| 00:20.15 | nsadmin | I see the problem |
| 00:20.20 | qw12 | ok.. |
| 00:20.29 | qw12 | ? |
| 00:20.30 | dvs | JenniferB2: add: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 00:20.36 | dvs | to a new line |
| 00:20.44 | bbqgates | jparkton... ah ok... flash is always a pain... :P |
| 00:20.47 | qw12 | nsadmin: ? |
| 00:20.51 | nsadmin | let me finish w/ JenniferB2, I'll get to that in a moment |
| 00:20.56 | qw12 | nsadmin: ok |
| 00:21.00 | nezZario | i'm confused, uid=x,gid=x does not work |
| 00:21.01 | qw12 | nsadmin: ladies first ;-) |
| 00:21.11 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: ill wait |
| 00:21.13 | jparkton | bbqgates: truely |
| 00:21.22 | qw12 | JenniferB2: mine's a quick one |
| 00:21.35 | nezZario | i see it on numerous fourms, etc on google but it doesn't work, e.x. mount -o uid=0,gid=0 /dev/vg01/lv01 /mnt |
| 00:21.35 | qw12 | JenniferB2: but i can wait too |
| 00:21.44 | jparkton | qw12: thats what she said |
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| 00:21.58 | nsadmin | qw12, yours involves coding; hold on |
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| 00:23.04 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, start with this: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 00:23.23 | nsadmin | put that line in, try running apt-get update |
| 00:23.47 | qw12 | nsadmin: i think if figured it |
| 00:24.01 | bbqgates | jparkton, maybe an iceweasel "NO FLASH" plug-in would solve the issue for us... just a thought |
| 00:24.25 | jparkton | bbqgates: then you cant view youtube |
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| 00:24.31 | jparkton | and what fun would that be |
| 00:24.31 | jagginess | JenniferB2, after you made all your changes to sources.list, don't forget to do an 'apt-get update' |
| 00:24.41 | nsadmin | qw12, grep foo (by itself) will wait on stdin |
| 00:24.44 | jagginess | JenniferB2, which updates the search indexes only |
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| 00:25.07 | dvs | jagginess: nsadmin just said that |
| 00:25.08 | bbqgates | jparkton... lol utube ... |
| 00:25.09 | nsadmin | which is why you had to hit ctro c |
| 00:25.37 | qw12 | nsadmin: yup, figured that |
| 00:25.43 | nsadmin | now hold on... want to get the first success for JenniferB2 |
| 00:25.50 | qw12 | nsadmin: yup |
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| 00:26.13 | JenniferB2 | jagginess: ok... success |
| 00:26.20 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: success |
| 00:26.35 | jagginess | she loves both of us! |
| 00:26.40 | JenniferB2 | hihihi |
| 00:26.44 | JenniferB2 | next!? |
| 00:26.44 | jagginess | dvs, and you're jealous! |
| 00:26.50 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:26.58 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, great... now try this: aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 00:27.04 | qw12 | she was there 45 mins earlier already, didn't listen to me to wait for upgrade |
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| 00:27.31 | nsadmin | qw12, she just had to slow down and relax |
| 00:27.38 | jagginess | dvs, I know she's blonde but not that blonde ;p |
| 00:27.48 | qw12 | nsadmin: yup, exactly, |
| 00:27.55 | qw12 | nsadmin: i used the same word "relax" ! |
| 00:27.58 | JenniferB2 | jagginess: hey, easy.. i am still here :O |
| 00:28.15 | nsadmin | that's going to make her contract... hold off on the blanked neg hits |
| 00:28.43 | JenniferB2 | done |
| 00:28.44 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, did that succeed? (it should pull in a lot of really tiny perl module packages) |
| 00:28.49 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:29.06 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, now try this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
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| 00:29.22 | laptnovic | Because when I run the chromium appears as a common User few layers as root? |
| 00:29.27 | nsadmin | you'll get a coupla errors then a url |
| 00:29.38 | nsadmin | show us the url you get |
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| 00:29.52 | jagginess | i think package pnopaste hosts 'nopaste'. |
| 00:30.00 | JenniferB2 | ERROR GETing http://ww3.caboo.se/?q_src..................................... |
| 00:30.13 | JenniferB2 | BIG URL |
| 00:30.20 | laptnovic | anyone know what when I run the chromium appears as a common User few layers as root? |
| 00:30.27 | nsadmin | right, howbout the very last line? |
| 00:30.27 | JenniferB2 | could not find the paste link at |
| 00:30.45 | JenniferB2 | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/202788 |
| 00:30.47 | jagginess | eh.. pastebinit is broken |
| 00:30.50 | JenniferB2 | cool |
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| 00:31.32 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: you are awesome.. you just almost hacked into my computer :P |
| 00:31.32 | nsadmin | great. you're all set |
| 00:32.03 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, about 80% was making sure you were relaxed and comfortable |
| 00:32.04 | qw12 | JenniferB2: lol, you were there 45 mins back if you had just listened before doing sth else :) |
| 00:32.05 | JenniferB2 | i nee dto write this down! |
| 00:32.37 | dvs | JenniferB2: Well, you can uncomment those two last comments but that's no big deal |
| 00:32.45 | JenniferB2 | we are not done now right ? |
| 00:32.45 | nsadmin | qw12, with this kind of situation, you have to check often on where you and the helpee are |
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| 00:33.04 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, you are now ready to install any debian packages you want |
| 00:33.09 | jagginess | i believe there's also non-free and contrib for the security sources.list line |
| 00:33.14 | JenniferB2 | qw12: yeah yeah.. you were just interested in seeing my webcam right?? haha |
| 00:33.23 | qw12 | JenniferB2: lol |
| 00:33.28 | jagginess | uses deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:33.31 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: so tasksell now? |
| 00:33.32 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, wait, you have a webcam?@ |
| 00:33.38 | qw12 | JenniferB2: LOL ! |
| 00:33.39 | nsadmin | yes |
| 00:33.39 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:33.46 | qw12 | i mean |
| 00:33.53 | qw12 | to everyone : lol ! |
| 00:33.59 | JenniferB2 | no.. but qw12 asked me to turn it on in order for him to help me!! |
| 00:34.08 | JenniferB2 | haha |
| 00:34.10 | nsadmin | you can tasksel or use other method of installing packages |
| 00:34.14 | laptnovic | anyone uses chromium? |
| 00:34.32 | jagginess | JenniferB2, apt-get install tasksel |
| 00:34.33 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, mmm, the plot thickens... |
| 00:34.38 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: a swedish saying: dont yell hi before crossing the river |
| 00:34.49 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you were not able to even put down th emessages on the screen and said kernel panic !! |
| 00:34.51 | JenniferB2 | something like .. meaning we are not there yet... |
| 00:35.05 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you wouldn't needed all that if you just followed what i said right after updateing sources.list |
| 00:35.07 | JenniferB2 | ... Installing packages ... |
| 00:35.18 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, so, cross the river, and whisper hi in your ear? |
| 00:35.24 | JenniferB2 | qw12: you mean turning on the webcam and taking of my clothes? |
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| 00:35.51 | qw12 | JenniferB2: lol |
| 00:35.53 | JenniferB2 | 10 min remaining .. talk to you in a while ... thanks guys.. you were funny :) |
| 00:36.07 | JenniferB2 | and helpful :) |
| 00:36.19 | dvs | JenniferB2: This took you how long? |
| 00:36.21 | jagginess | nsadmin, i believe a long while ago i added contrib and non-free to my security sources.list line, can i be wrong on this? I see these directories exists on that repository |
| 00:36.27 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, a linux saying: have a lot of fun! |
| 00:36.53 | JenniferB2 | a couple of weeks... with 2 weeks of vacatin... you cant say it is my fault ... the installation should work! |
| 00:37.10 | qw12 | JenniferB2: enjoy it now.. |
| 00:37.30 | dvs | Hmm... selecting a mirror should have put that in but no matter, it works now. |
| 00:37.33 | JenniferB2 | it cant keep failing ... but I had another issue before this ... dont say anything yet... you will just jinx it... 9 mins remaining ... :D |
| 00:38.05 | nsadmin | jagginess, aptitude update would either succeed completely, or fail to find a coupla files |
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| 00:38.41 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, just relax and have a cupa tea |
| 00:38.49 | dvs | panics |
| 00:38.51 | nsadmin | wait, is that a contradiction? |
| 00:38.52 | jagginess | nsadmin, ah :).. but i was hearing at one point (dunno if it was on this channel), that aptitude doesnt work well with multiarch,.. maybe this is an obsolete case |
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| 00:39.24 | jagginess | nsadmin, what should i be using apt-get or aptitude? (i'm thinking aptitude, but heard of this multiarch issue) |
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| 00:39.32 | JenniferB2 | List of swedish sayings: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_över_svenska_ordspråk |
| 00:39.33 | JenniferB2 | "Ropa inte hej förrän du är över bäcken." |
| 00:39.42 | nsadmin | oh, dunno about that part... I've been using it on squeeze a long time... I haven't added any additionasl arches tho |
| 00:39.51 | JenniferB2 | http://translate.google.se/#sv|en|Ropa%20inte%20hej%20förrän%20du%20är%20över%20bäcken. |
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| 00:40.32 | nsadmin | how long would it take the average english only speaker to learn swedish? |
| 00:41.05 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: not that much |
| 00:41.07 | jagginess | nsadmin, dutch-ever! |
| 00:41.10 | JenniferB2 | a year |
| 00:41.11 | jagginess | jk |
| 00:42.10 | nsadmin | that sounds about right, altho if I go to where there's only swedish speakers, maybe shorter |
| 00:42.10 | jagginess | as long as one can learn a dvorak keyboard, if 'em swedes use them.. |
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| 00:42.41 | jagginess | btw Swede looks hard.. |
| 00:42.51 | streuner__ | true |
| 00:42.51 | jagginess | you cant learn that in 1 year.. no way.. |
| 00:43.01 | JenniferB2 | yeah, sure... if you come here and insists on speaking swedish you will .. but you will find most people will automatically speak english to you haha |
| 00:43.17 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 00:43.51 | JenniferB2 | jagginess: can you buy a dvorak keyboard? |
| 00:43.56 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, so you're saying there's probably not a place where only swedish speakers |
| 00:44.11 | ManoftheSea | kindergarden? |
| 00:44.12 | jagginess | JenniferB2, only for you :) |
| 00:44.40 | dvs | ManoftheSea: no kidding ;-) |
| 00:44.45 | JenniferB2 | well.. no ... there is... but you need them to talk to you in swedish and not english.. most people here speak english pretty well |
| 00:44.57 | sney | man, next time I need help in this channel, I'm going to /nick jennifer :P |
| 00:44.58 | JenniferB2 | so they probably speak english with you... |
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| 00:45.28 | dutchfish | i find in the swedish language many words that are simular to dutch .... |
| 00:45.29 | jagginess | JenniferB2, that sounds sexy to me.. but what about french? Je sais parler francais :) |
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| 00:45.47 | streuner__ | sney, according to her, her system doesnt work well after 2 weeks... |
| 00:46.20 | sney | streuner__: aye, but look at all the people falling over themselves to help! most people are lucky to attract the attention of 1 helper. 2 max |
| 00:46.30 | ManoftheSea | I know to speak french? |
| 00:46.33 | jagginess | JenniferB2, i really couldn't if english was your second language.. it sounds like you folks speak it often |
| 00:46.53 | ManoftheSea | Wouldn't "je peut parler" work better? |
| 00:47.02 | ManoftheSea | hmm, I think my conjugation is bad. |
| 00:47.13 | ManoftheSea | I'll shut up before I get schooled. |
| 00:47.15 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, if I don't study a little, they will probably be frustrated with me, and resentful that I bother them to teach the basics |
| 00:47.16 | JenniferB2 | jagginess: we sure do |
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| 00:47.51 | nezZario | anyone know if there is a php/bdb package in apt? |
| 00:47.58 | nezZario | not finding one grepping and searching with apt-cache |
| 00:48.18 | jagginess | nezZario, bdb ? |
| 00:48.21 | nsadmin | nezZario, apt-cache search php | less |
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| 00:48.32 | nsadmin | that will probably be a long list |
| 00:48.35 | jagginess | there isnt bdb/php |
| 00:48.42 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: thats right.. but I had a friend that had a good aproach to this |
| 00:49.07 | jagginess | nezZario, there is however php-db |
| 00:49.34 | nezZario | jagginess: you mean it doesn't exist, or doesn't exist in apt? |
| 00:49.35 | qw12 | i have an old lenny with lot of stuff done on, tried to point to archives.debian for package upgrade but gives a warning about signature or something not matching |
| 00:49.40 | qw12 | wondering if safe to upgrade to |
| 00:49.48 | jagginess | nezZario, try apt-cache show php-db |
| 00:49.50 | qw12 | nsadmin: ? |
| 00:50.10 | qw12 | jagginess: ? |
| 00:50.11 | sney | qw12: safe to upgrade to what? |
| 00:50.13 | jagginess | nezZario, you thinking about unix-odbc ? |
| 00:50.20 | nezZario | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/intro.dba.php |
| 00:50.26 | qw12 | safe to upgrade packages fro lenny from archives.debian |
| 00:50.27 | JenniferB2 | he would speak as good as he could ... and if he couldnt say it or someone said something that he didnt grasp.. he would ask.. how do I say this.. and then they would tell him.. he would repeat it .. and improve... but he insisted on knowing how to say specific things... it wasnt all that irritating.. but you should ask as soon as you dont understand.. and get a translation .. and try to use it yourself next time |
| 00:50.30 | nsadmin | qw12, try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:50.32 | qw12 | it gives a warning |
| 00:50.46 | sney | !warning |
| 00:50.46 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 00:50.52 | qw12 | nsadmin: i did update from the archive before didn't see a warning earlier, guess debian archives changed the keyring ? |
| 00:50.55 | nsadmin | it will at first until you have the matching key |
| 00:50.58 | nezZario | there also seems to be some kind of weird piece of code that oracle releases that allows you to use a sqlite3 interface for dba |
| 00:51.15 | nsadmin | qw12, seems likely as you thought too |
| 00:51.16 | nezZario | so you can use sqlite, SQL, etc natively but it's backed by a bdb database |
| 00:51.18 | jagginess | qw12, shuold be on wiki (google: debian wiki lenny keyring) |
| 00:51.20 | nezZario | but that just seems too damn weird |
| 00:51.33 | qw12 | ok |
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| 00:51.39 | JenniferB2 | fcuk |
| 00:51.43 | JenniferB2 | aptitude failed |
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| 00:51.58 | JenniferB2 | aptitude failed (255) |
| 00:52.02 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, did it finish downloading the packages? |
| 00:52.05 | qw12 | JenniferB2: what's the message , you want type it in, or show in your wbcam, lol |
| 00:52.13 | streuner__ | JenniferB2: in most cases its a sources.list issue... |
| 00:52.22 | JenniferB2 | it says 100% now... but just before it failed it was at like 30 % |
| 00:52.27 | dvs | streuner__: not this time |
| 00:52.33 | nsadmin | streuner__, qw12, JenniferB2 has nopaste |
| 00:52.43 | streuner__ | dvs, hm, didnt follow the convo at its start.... |
| 00:52.51 | JenniferB2 | streuner__: i have nopaste ;) |
| 00:53.01 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, take a look at the output of df |
| 00:53.11 | JenniferB2 | command ? |
| 00:53.14 | nsadmin | df |
| 00:53.16 | qw12 | nsadmin: you are right |
| 00:53.17 | nsadmin | yes |
| 00:53.20 | dvs | streuner__: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/202788 |
| 00:53.22 | sney | any kind of aptitude errors are basically useless. you have to pastebin the whole output. |
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| 00:53.40 | JenniferB2 | command to the db ? |
| 00:53.41 | jagginess | nezZario, odbc is a generic layer for connecting to most open databases.. it doesnt exclusively apply to oracle (but it probably includes it)-- the tradeoff is that odbc is not optimal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odbc |
| 00:53.42 | JenniferB2 | df |
| 00:53.58 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, no, to the shell |
| 00:54.07 | qw12 | nsadmin: df -m |
| 00:54.12 | qw12 | JenniferB2: df -m |
| 00:54.36 | streuner__ | dvs, strange |
| 00:54.39 | jagginess | nezZario, you can ask on #php where you can look what you're after, i'm out of luck |
| 00:54.47 | dvs | yup |
| 00:54.50 | JenniferB2 | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/202789 |
| 00:55.08 | nezZario | i just need an extremely fast on-disk (not on-memory) key/value lookup |
| 00:55.16 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/202789 |
| 00:55.23 | qw12 | guess its not disk space then |
| 00:55.24 | nezZario | sqlite seems to be slow as merry christmas when I start getting into 300-400k rows |
| 00:55.42 | jagginess | nezZario, there's gnustep, if offers an xml-like key/value, simple to use |
| 00:56.11 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, so, I suspected for a moment that your disk is full but it's not |
| 00:56.16 | qw12 | JenniferB2: df -m gives disk space, idea was to see if you ran out of it, but you didn't |
| 00:56.45 | nsadmin | yeah, what qw12 sed |
| 00:56.56 | qw12 | nsadmin: she was able to install some packages fine, 255 i think is a bad error with no info |
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| 00:58.28 | JenniferB2 | qw12: retry ? |
| 00:58.39 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you were able to install packages correct ? |
| 00:58.52 | qw12 | JenniferB2: this was result of apt-get update? |
| 00:58.54 | nsadmin | well I guess we could try separately without tasksel |
| 00:58.54 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I dont know.. i just got that message |
| 00:59.08 | qw12 | JenniferB2: what did you do right beofre that, i wasn't following |
| 00:59.11 | JenniferB2 | no tasksel and selecting graphical desktop environment |
| 00:59.14 | jagginess | nezZario, there's an adapter to connect sqlite with gnustep http://www.gnustep.org/experience/GDL2.html |
| 00:59.26 | qw12 | JenniferB2: ok |
| 00:59.40 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you are connected to the net still correct ? |
| 00:59.45 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, which desktop did you want? kde? gnome? something else? |
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| 00:59.59 | JenniferB2 | gnome |
| 01:00.05 | jagginess | numnum |
| 01:00.12 | DropsOfSerenity | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.22 | JenniferB2 | retry ? |
| 01:00.35 | qw12 | JenniferB2: i'd just get the packages that are needed |
| 01:00.52 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you can use tasksel --package-list |
| 01:00.52 | nsadmin | hmm. let's do this first: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 01:00.53 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I retried it seems to continuing where it died last |
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| 01:01.11 | nsadmin | oh, is it running? |
| 01:01.22 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: mmm .. relax? not me :P |
| 01:01.36 | JenniferB2 | its running .. maybe it was a connection issue |
| 01:01.37 | qw12 | JenniferB2: tasksel --list-tasks |
| 01:01.44 | JenniferB2 | qw12: does ? |
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| 01:01.54 | JenniferB2 | qw12: cant run it now |
| 01:01.56 | jagginess | JenniferB2, try apt-get install gdm, then "service gdm start" |
| 01:02.00 | qw12 | JenniferB2: shows whitch tasks are installed |
| 01:02.13 | qw12 | JenniferB2: in general you can always get another console using ctrl-aft-f* |
| 01:02.17 | JenniferB2 | ok.. it is running now... lets wait and see |
| 01:02.29 | JenniferB2 | qw12: nice! |
| 01:02.30 | qw12 | JenniferB2: cntrl-alt-f* |
| 01:02.52 | qw12 | JenniferB2: yup, my heart aches to see you go through this pain.. |
| 01:02.56 | qw12 | JenniferB2: just take my... |
| 01:02.57 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, is it downloading still? |
| 01:03.04 | qw12 | JenniferB2: VM .. |
| 01:03.06 | qw12 | JenniferB2: lol |
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| 01:03.57 | JenniferB2 | yes... 40% |
| 01:04.12 | qw12 | JenniferB2: do you plan to keep this desktop on all the time ? |
| 01:04.16 | JenniferB2 | its 3 am here :S |
| 01:04.32 | JenniferB2 | no.. not on.. but I am hoping to use it as my number one computer |
| 01:04.52 | jagginess | time is irrelevant, we only need to know you're swedish and we'll help you |
| 01:04.54 | qw12 | JenniferB2: ok.. like what, shut it down when you sleep ? |
| 01:04.54 | jagginess | :p |
| 01:04.56 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, ahh. so, it's safe to interrupt while it's downloading (not saying interrupt now) |
| 01:05.08 | qw12 | jagginess: lol |
| 01:05.12 | JenniferB2 | normally if start is this complicated it does not bouth ( something like that ) well for the future |
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| 01:05.29 | nsadmin | swedish AND know the bikini team! |
| 01:05.35 | streuner__ | jagginess: haha |
| 01:05.40 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: whaat? |
| 01:05.48 | qw12 | jagginess: we'll she distracted me talking about webcam and all, lol |
| 01:05.50 | JenniferB2 | how did you know I am in the biking team ? :p |
| 01:06.19 | nsadmin | I didn't, but you might know them |
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| 01:06.31 | qw12 | she has lot of pics she showed me |
| 01:06.49 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: this is me haha ... http://www.4shared.com/photo/00ekxdM0/Sexy_Debian_Desktop_Linux_Wall.html |
| 01:06.58 | qw12 | the bikini team is no match to her |
| 01:07.01 | JenniferB2 | just kidding :O |
| 01:07.36 | nsadmin | very modelly |
| 01:07.38 | JenniferB2 | all the debian forum when silent |
| 01:07.40 | jagginess | numnum |
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| 01:08.11 | qw12 | i am flying to sweden now |
| 01:08.13 | JenniferB2 | what is the time over at each and one of you!? |
| 01:08.18 | jagginess | JenniferB2, you gonan make sure gdm is installed so that you dont have to type 'startx' on a text logon |
| 01:08.19 | sney | !offtopic |
| 01:08.19 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:08.22 | jagginess | ,/gonna/ |
| 01:08.35 | qw12 | 6.10 here california |
| 01:08.51 | nsadmin | qw12, where in calif? |
| 01:08.56 | qw12 | need to be gone in sometime |
| 01:09.03 | qw12 | san francisco-bay area |
| 01:09.07 | qw12 | nsadmin: you ? |
| 01:09.11 | nsadmin | same |
| 01:09.19 | qw12 | silicone-valley |
| 01:09.22 | qw12 | cool ! |
| 01:09.42 | nsadmin | but I'm north and a bit east of san jose |
| 01:09.45 | sney | silicone haha |
| 01:09.52 | jagginess | qw12, silicon valley noob. :) |
| 01:09.54 | nsadmin | boobies? |
| 01:09.59 | qw12 | lol |
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| 01:10.07 | qw12 | well silicon, silicone |
| 01:10.14 | JenniferB2 | i have silicon volleys |
| 01:10.15 | sney | no really guys this is a support channel, take the chatter to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:10.16 | nsadmin | potato, potatoe |
| 01:10.35 | streuner__ | Hotel California, you visit it easily, but never left? |
| 01:10.55 | qw12 | i came here to fix small issue, now here for more than an hour, |
| 01:11.06 | qw12 | debian channel wasn't this interesting before |
| 01:11.48 | jagginess | told qw12 how to fix his keyring and wonders if he fixed it. |
| 01:11.49 | JenniferB2 | qw12: and now sney is trying to make it less fun :( |
| 01:12.07 | JenniferB2 | 65 % |
| 01:12.39 | qw12 | jagginess: i was trying to read up on it, have the keys changed ? |
| 01:12.43 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, working pretty good, hmm? |
| 01:13.04 | qw12 | JenniferB2: sort of yes, you started the fun partly.. |
| 01:13.10 | sney | there are literally hundreds of thousands of IRC channels where random chatter is encouraged. This is one of the few where it isn't, but that's ok! Because you can be in more than one at a time! and #debian-offtopic is just one /join away |
| 01:13.13 | qw12 | JenniferB2: but he's sort of right.. |
| 01:13.34 | qw12 | JenniferB2: so follow what he says please |
| 01:13.38 | qw12 | ;-) |
| 01:14.03 | jagginess | qw12, apt-cache search keyring, then forceinstall that keyring package, then apt-get update |
| 01:14.23 | JenniferB2 | no... nsadmin: you just jinxed it ... I just looked at the screen and it has failed again |
| 01:14.24 | JenniferB2 | ! |
| 01:14.30 | jagginess | (i remember i had to update the keyrings but dont remember exactly where/when/how/why) |
| 01:14.37 | jagginess | (lenny) |
| 01:14.38 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, just start it up again :) |
| 01:14.44 | JenniferB2 | failed on: running post-installation trigger fontconfig |
| 01:14.49 | qw12 | jagginess: wtf ! it doesn't show that warning now, i didn't touch the keyrings |
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| 01:15.43 | jagginess | qw12, apt-get update must of helped.. whatever it did (but it doesnt update the keyrings) |
| 01:15.56 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, try this: |
| 01:16.10 | jagginess | tries to fix an mta issue |
| 01:16.11 | JenniferB2 | it is done now |
| 01:16.11 | nsadmin | if you didn't already start it again |
| 01:16.14 | JenniferB2 | and no error message |
| 01:16.15 | qw12 | jagginess: but when i did that last time it complained |
| 01:16.33 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, ok, run this: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 01:16.34 | JenniferB2 | remember : "Do not shout hello until you are across the stream." |
| 01:17.05 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: nothing |
| 01:17.17 | qw12 | nsadmin: actually i could not install GUI properly on my squeeze too, left it at command line. i used VM and the VM window kept toggling between two sizes when i tried to boot into it |
| 01:17.17 | nsadmin | great, |
| 01:17.24 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: but damn ... aptitude is this buggy? |
| 01:17.42 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: what could be the issue here that it failed? |
| 01:17.44 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, not quite sure what the issue was |
| 01:17.53 | JenniferB2 | ook.. so now restart the computer |
| 01:17.55 | JenniferB2 | ? |
| 01:18.00 | nsadmin | wait :) |
| 01:18.01 | qw12 | JenniferB2: 255 is a bad code, but yup reboot and try |
| 01:18.07 | nsadmin | waut |
| 01:18.08 | qw12 | later |
| 01:18.12 | JenniferB2 | haha |
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| 01:18.55 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you plan to keep the machine off at nights when you sleep ? |
| 01:18.55 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, I want to have you test for presence of X, but first want to make sure you know how to switch out |
| 01:19.10 | JenniferB2 | qw12: yes.. you keep asking that ... why? |
| 01:19.25 | JenniferB2 | alt f2? |
| 01:19.27 | qw12 | JenniferB2: cos you can install some power save stuff |
| 01:19.43 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I like to suspend |
| 01:19.50 | JenniferB2 | do I need something for that? |
| 01:19.54 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, right, or ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:19.58 | nsadmin | or 2 |
| 01:20.12 | qw12 | JenniferB2: if you want to run some cool things yourself, you dont want to turn it off, but use some power save stuff |
| 01:20.16 | nsadmin | you can also try ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:20.27 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: ok.. so restart? |
| 01:20.32 | nsadmin | now ready for test: try X |
| 01:20.37 | nsadmin | not restart yet |
| 01:20.48 | jagginess | (if it's gdm, its service gdm restart, or /etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 01:20.50 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: hehe ... give the command ( money ) |
| 01:20.58 | nsadmin | X |
| 01:21.27 | jagginess | maybe gdm installed |
| 01:21.35 | JenniferB2 | i have gdm3 |
| 01:21.36 | jagginess | ,/isnt/ |
| 01:21.38 | jagginess | oh ok |
| 01:21.45 | JenniferB2 | what X ? |
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| 01:21.48 | JenniferB2 | just run X ? |
| 01:21.49 | nsadmin | just that |
| 01:21.51 | jagginess | so you get the gui logon screen i guess |
| 01:21.52 | nsadmin | yes |
| 01:22.02 | JenniferB2 | out of range!? |
| 01:22.18 | nsadmin | aha, so X needs configureing maybe? |
| 01:22.41 | jagginess | !X |
| 01:22.47 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: it looks like it from ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:23.03 | JenniferB2 | can I dump to you somehow? |
| 01:23.10 | jagginess | X is the graphic engine to everything GUI |
| 01:23.11 | nsadmin | maybe you have a file ~/X*? |
| 01:23.49 | jagginess | (X is also sometimes called X-Windows -- but only us geeks talk about it when fixing things) |
| 01:24.10 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, yes... can you tell us what the file starting with X is called? |
| 01:24.29 | nsadmin | the one in your present home dir (which is probably called /root) |
| 01:24.37 | jagginess | nopaste that x log |
| 01:24.42 | jagginess | ? |
| 01:24.46 | nsadmin | yeah |
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| 01:25.18 | nsadmin | as before it'll make a lot of annoying warnings and will finally give a url at the end |
| 01:25.22 | jagginess | btw thanks for mentioning that tool, i was trying pastebinit and says it's API is obsolete.. |
| 01:25.23 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: not in /root |
| 01:25.36 | nsadmin | oh? who are you logged in as? |
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| 01:25.41 | JenniferB2 | root |
| 01:25.46 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 01:26.06 | JenniferB2 | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/202790 |
| 01:26.10 | streuner__ | JenniferB2: do you use an irc-client now? |
| 01:26.29 | JenniferB2 | streuner__: yes.. no a separate computer |
| 01:26.32 | JenniferB2 | on |
| 01:26.49 | nsadmin | oh, that's everything in root's home |
| 01:26.50 | nsadmin | ? |
| 01:27.02 | JenniferB2 | unless there is hidden files .. |
| 01:27.03 | ManoftheSea | pwd? |
| 01:27.20 | dvs | You can't login to X as root |
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| 01:27.47 | JenniferB2 | hmm so I need to restart perhaps ... thats probably just might be a good try |
| 01:27.48 | JenniferB2 | ? |
| 01:28.01 | qw12 | JenniferB2: don't restart |
| 01:28.09 | JenniferB2 | qw12: too late |
| 01:28.09 | nsadmin | you can do that, but I'm not sure it's necessary now. |
| 01:28.31 | burek | hi, I have a problem with debian squeeze.. when I try to uninstall "libavutil51:i386" package, my debian tells me that it will uninstall a ton of other packages, including xserver, kde and such.. |
| 01:28.34 | burek | is that normal? |
| 01:28.35 | qw12 | JenniferB2: just go to another console login as a user and try x |
| 01:28.39 | ManoftheSea | while it's good to know a computer can boot, it should not be your first response to every proble. |
| 01:28.50 | qw12 | burek: that's a dependency |
| 01:28.52 | nsadmin | here's how things are supposed to work: when you install something like gdm3, the packaging of that package will start gdm as part of the package install |
| 01:28.53 | streuner__ | burek: sure |
| 01:28.55 | qw12 | burek: for them |
| 01:29.11 | burek | libavutil is a dependency for xserver and kde? |
| 01:29.16 | qw12 | nsadmin: that statement isnt very clear |
| 01:29.20 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: after restart I am getting exited with preempt_count 1 |
| 01:29.23 | JenniferB2 | and nothing more |
| 01:29.24 | streuner__ | burek: you cannot uninstall a basic package without remove others |
| 01:29.30 | ManoftheSea | burek, are you on a 64-bit arch? |
| 01:29.31 | burek | libavutil51:i386 is a basic package? |
| 01:29.34 | burek | no, 32 |
| 01:29.47 | burek | libavutil is part of ffmpeg project |
| 01:29.50 | ManoftheSea | ok. the size difference might have been the problem. |
| 01:29.51 | streuner__ | judd, info libavutil51 |
| 01:29.52 | judd | No package named 'libavutil51' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 01:29.53 | burek | as is not possibly a basic package |
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| 01:30.21 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I think there is some serious issue here.. things are broken agin.. second reboot... kernel panic ... serious inconsistency |
| 01:30.53 | streuner__ | burek: libavutil51 - FFmpeg avutil library - runtime files |
| 01:31.08 | burek | here is a showcase http://pastebin.com/dGbDB1dQ |
| 01:31.11 | streuner__ | burek: but it seems it has depends |
| 01:31.13 | jagginess | JenniferB2, it's a driver issue, you have an nvidia graphic chip? |
| 01:31.14 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, when you see the grub menu when you boot, does it show two entries? |
| 01:31.32 | jagginess | JenniferB2, lspic -vv|grep -i nvidia |
| 01:31.37 | jagginess | JenniferB2, lspci -vv|grep -i nvidia |
| 01:31.38 | JenniferB2 | jagginess: I am using the motherboard rgb output |
| 01:32.02 | streuner__ | burek: why do you want remove this single package at all? |
| 01:32.07 | JenniferB2 | jagginess: I am unable to run any commands ... will try recover mode |
| 01:32.08 | jagginess | JenniferB2, btw, the x log is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:32.09 | ManoftheSea | burek: this looks like a lot of other things are being changed as well. |
| 01:32.10 | burek | streuner__, why not |
| 01:32.28 | JenniferB2 | how can you view the start up log ? |
| 01:32.31 | burek | ManoftheSea, that's what's strange to me |
| 01:32.32 | jagginess | JenniferB2, but i dont know what is being used to pastebin, (because pastebinit doesnt work for me) |
| 01:32.33 | streuner__ | burek: because spaces are cheap nowadays and it gives you only headaches? |
| 01:32.36 | JenniferB2 | it just flashes by |
| 01:32.53 | jagginess | nsadmin, btw where is this "nopaste" command? pastebinit is broken for me.. |
| 01:32.54 | burek | streuner__, you are not helping by suggesting that I don't actually want to do that action |
| 01:33.04 | ManoftheSea | burek, you might check aptitude, and see if there are pending changes. |
| 01:33.12 | nsadmin | jagginess, you can install libapp-nopaste-perl |
| 01:33.15 | jagginess | ok |
| 01:33.21 | qw12 | JenniferB2: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No in bootlogd |
| 01:33.23 | dvs | nsadmin: that was done |
| 01:33.27 | burek | ManoftheSea, like apt-get upgrade? |
| 01:33.38 | ManoftheSea | just "aptitude" |
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| 01:33.42 | nsadmin | dvs, for jagginess? or JenniferB2? |
| 01:33.45 | streuner__ | burek: sorry, i dont see a big effort to do this |
| 01:33.54 | dvs | nsadmin: JenniferB2 |
| 01:34.01 | qw12 | jagginess: /etc/default/bootlogd change the ENABLE to YES and see /var/log/boot |
| 01:34.07 | qw12 | JenniferB2: /etc/default/bootlogd change the ENABLE to YES and see /var/log/boot |
| 01:34.14 | nsadmin | ahh. yes, I know... how? I asked her to install that |
| 01:34.32 | ManoftheSea | burek: aptitude will also give you some info on why a package is added or removed. |
| 01:34.36 | jagginess | thinks he found nopaste he can use |
| 01:34.37 | nsadmin | dvs, it was jagginess who asked most recently |
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| 01:34.57 | dvs | oh |
| 01:34.59 | jagginess | there's two other packages related to the "nopaste" keyword |
| 01:35.12 | jagginess | (a server and some -cli named package) |
| 01:35.30 | jagginess | so it was confusing for me to find it.. |
| 01:35.40 | nsadmin | the one I cited should get you everything |
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| 01:35.48 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: install what ? ... bootlogd what ?? |
| 01:35.58 | burek | ManoftheSea, thanks, I'll try first updating my distro and see if that helps |
| 01:36.08 | burek | but somehow I feel there would be problems with this |
| 01:36.12 | JenniferB2 | i can only get into the grub command line now |
| 01:36.14 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, still wanting to know something |
| 01:36.22 | ManoftheSea | burek: That seems incongruous with your question, but good luck! |
| 01:36.31 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: what ? |
| 01:36.31 | burek | :) :beer: :) |
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| 01:36.42 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, how many grub entries are there? expecting 2 |
| 01:36.55 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: 2 ... second is recovery |
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| 01:37.12 | nsadmin | what happens when you try the second one? |
| 01:37.23 | LtL | jagginess: /msg dpkg pastebinit config -- to reconfigure pastebinit. |
| 01:37.29 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I believe I had bootflag on for partition mouinted on / ... same almost |
| 01:37.59 | nsadmin | is grub installed in mbr? or on that partition? |
| 01:38.03 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: what happens is same ... I get no where |
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| 01:38.18 | JenniferB2 | on root I believe .. mbr ? |
| 01:38.22 | streuner__ | ManoftheSea: "updating my distro" makes more sense |
| 01:38.38 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, the mbr is the very start of the whole drive |
| 01:38.51 | nsadmin | the partition table is in there too |
| 01:39.12 | JenniferB2 | hmm... some times i get kernel panic on reboot .. at it says faile dto mount on (0,0) |
| 01:39.17 | ManoftheSea | streuner__: I suppose. I wanted to figure it out, but making it unimportant is a valid response. |
| 01:39.17 | JenniferB2 | something like that |
| 01:39.49 | streuner__ | ManoftheSea: well, not if he trying to upgrade... |
| 01:39.50 | ManoftheSea | JenniferB2: did you grub-install to /dev/sda or /dev/sda1? |
| 01:39.51 | qw12 | JenniferB2: sometimes ? you mean it works sometimes ? |
| 01:39.52 | nsadmin | (hd0,msdos1) maybe? |
| 01:40.12 | qw12 | nsadmin: do you think there could be a problem with the hard drive ? |
| 01:40.31 | nsadmin | qw12, I'm hoping not |
| 01:40.32 | streuner__ | ManoftheSea: but that seems to me the case now, its insane to remove a single lib which is maybe only a few kb... |
| 01:40.36 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: but the strange thing is that it disappears on a reboot ... how can this be ? it is a computer ... should it not behave the same all the time? is tehre possibly errros on the hardware? |
| 01:40.39 | JenniferB2 | cpu ? |
| 01:41.10 | ManoftheSea | streuner__: yeah, that's fair. |
| 01:41.17 | qw12 | nsadmin: btw, i have trouble starting X too on my squeeze, i am using VM and when i reboot (to start with X) it toggles the window size of the VM and stays in a loop that way |
| 01:41.21 | JenniferB2 | ManoftheSea: I installed from the installer... last step was install grub boot loader |
| 01:41.23 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, well one thing we could try if we ever get in again is to install memtest86 |
| 01:41.43 | ManoftheSea | if you accepted the default, JenniferB2, it's likely you put grub on the MBR |
| 01:41.43 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I dont think we will |
| 01:41.58 | qw12 | nsadmin: you can run membest by booting form your USB also |
| 01:42.07 | qw12 | JenniferB2: above statement was for you |
| 01:42.19 | JenniferB2 | it flashes by a message : undisks failed bla bla .. sda6 something |
| 01:42.38 | qw12 | JenniferB2: whatever tool you had used to put ISO on the usb and boot into it, should allow you to download memtest iso and use it |
| 01:42.40 | nsadmin | qw12, good point, can you help her with that? |
| 01:42.47 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you should run a hard drive test too |
| 01:42.49 | JenniferB2 | ManoftheSea: that is not correct? |
| 01:42.54 | qw12 | nsadmin: yup i can |
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| 01:43.05 | jagginess | noticed echo abc|pastebinit -t atest , echo command doesnt work.. but it works now with cat.. |
| 01:43.06 | qw12 | nsadmin: can you suggest something for my X problem ? |
| 01:43.12 | qw12 | nsadmin: btw, i have trouble starting X too on my squeeze, i am using VM and when i reboot (to start with X) it toggles the window size of the VM and stays in a loop that way |
| 01:43.29 | JenniferB2 | qw12: i believe the harddrives are alright |
| 01:43.38 | qw12 | JenniferB2: how do you know ? |
| 01:43.38 | JenniferB2 | and motherboard and memory are new |
| 01:43.43 | qw12 | JenniferB2: ok.. |
| 01:43.47 | ManoftheSea | JenniferB2: nsadmin was asking where you installed. That's usually the correct option, on MBR |
| 01:44.07 | qw12 | JenniferB2: how do you know drives are new |
| 01:44.13 | nsadmin | ManoftheSea, the install process probably saw no other os on the drivge |
| 01:44.13 | JenniferB2 | ook memtest from usb ? I will try to launch into shell |
| 01:44.23 | qw12 | JenniferB2: i bought a laptop and it behaved erratically, turned out problem was with memory |
| 01:44.38 | qw12 | JenniferB2: yup, membest from usb |
| 01:44.50 | qw12 | JenniferB2: and just download the iso file and do like you did with the debian install iso |
| 01:45.11 | JenniferB2 | qw12: it could be the speed ... these are dd3 and over 1000 hz... but in bios ... they are set for way lower |
| 01:45.11 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you have what 8 gb ? |
| 01:45.23 | JenniferB2 | yes, in it right now |
| 01:45.36 | nsadmin | JenniferB2, this memtest86 works by booting it like a kernel |
| 01:45.40 | qw12 | JenniferB2: ont sure about the speed yet, try the metest |
| 01:45.48 | jagginess | JenniferB2, you're not quite new to computers are you :) |
| 01:45.53 | qw12 | JenniferB2: that will solve all of it |
| 01:45.54 | JenniferB2 | nsadmin: I am in shell now... I see the root dir |
| 01:46.02 | JenniferB2 | and lots of other dirs |
| 01:46.03 | qw12 | LOL |
| 01:46.04 | nsadmin | oh you got in? |
| 01:46.07 | qw12 | so you rebooted fine now ? |
| 01:46.09 | JenniferB2 | throug hthe usb |
| 01:46.13 | qw12 | oh.. |
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| 01:46.19 | JenniferB2 | usb shell |
| 01:46.20 | qw12 | you booted back into debian install ? |
| 01:46.25 | JenniferB2 | yes.. |
| 01:46.35 | qw12 | you should have put memtest iso and booted into that |
| 01:47.03 | JenniferB2 | qw12: hmm |
| 01:47.23 | qw12 | why don't you try and do that |
| 01:47.35 | qw12 | download the iso |
| 01:47.41 | JenniferB2 | i thought you meant from this usb and shell... i need to download something ? |
| 01:47.48 | qw12 | yup, memtest iso |
| 01:47.58 | sney | doesn't the debian installer have memtest |
| 01:48.05 | qw12 | and if you get your X working, let me know, cos I had problems with my X on squeeze |
| 01:48.06 | JenniferB2 | http://www.memtest86.com/ |
| 01:48.12 | streuner__ | sney: good question |
| 01:48.31 | ManoftheSea | I thought both the installer and the installed system have memtest. |
| 01:48.37 | qw12 | JenniferB2: yup, that's what i used, but maybe the debian installer has a memtest |
| 01:49.01 | sney | the installed system has it if you install the 'memtest86' package |
| 01:49.03 | JenniferB2 | I have successfully been able to install fedora ... but ubuntu and debian have been a hell.. only fedora was gnome3 and I hated that |
| 01:49.10 | ManoftheSea | sney: ah, thanks. |
| 01:49.18 | qw12 | JenniferB2: i think debian installer has a mem test |
| 01:49.21 | JenniferB2 | perhaps I should try an older fedora and forget about this hell |
| 01:49.22 | jagginess | keeps a dozen little usb sticks in a little 4x4 cm transparent basket with a latch cover and shows it off to people |
| 01:49.34 | nsadmin | here's what I'm expecting... |
| 01:49.51 | JenniferB2 | Ver 4.0a - Linux (gzip) ISO image for creating bootable CD ?? |
| 01:50.05 | JenniferB2 | or windows ? ( i am on win xp on this laptop ) |
| 01:50.14 | jagginess | JenniferB2, gimme |
| 01:50.21 | jagginess | JenniferB2, your X log baby |
| 01:50.28 | jagginess | :) |
| 01:50.52 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you got the right memtest |
| 01:51.02 | jagginess | says X log shows good info about failed graphic driver/s /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:51.05 | qw12 | JenniferB2: bootable cd |
| 01:51.19 | nsadmin | after installing just the base, things are working fine... as soon as installed the x stuff, the problems increase |
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| 01:51.54 | JenniferB2 | qw12: but there is two downloads ... one for windoes and one for linux |
| 01:52.00 | streuner__ | How do you suspect thats an mem issue now? |
| 01:52.06 | qw12 | get the one for linux, it should be a live CD sort of thing |
| 01:52.09 | qw12 | JenniferB2: above |
| 01:52.22 | streuner__ | i mean, its a brandnew motherboard |
| 01:52.37 | nsadmin | I expect that there is an additional kernel module which was inserted and is causing the crashes |
| 01:52.39 | JenniferB2 | qw12: just drop on a usb ? |
| 01:52.56 | streuner__ | nsadmin: why memtest then? |
| 01:53.02 | nsadmin | but, that doesn't explain the occasional various failures |
| 01:53.20 | qw12 | JenniferB2: you did that for debian install ISO, do the same, when you boot ingot the USB it shold tell given a menu option to choose which one |
| 01:53.20 | nsadmin | so I would like to rule out hardware problems once and for all |
| 01:53.28 | jagginess | she can always upgrade to a kernel 3 with backports :) |
| 01:53.36 | qw12 | nsadmin: does debian install have memory test ? |
| 01:53.56 | streuner__ | qw12: we made that clear before, no |
| 01:53.57 | nsadmin | dunno the answer to that, haven't installed recently |
| 01:54.22 | qw12 | streuner__: what's the answer (didn't see it) |
| 01:54.30 | qw12 | nsadmin: can you see http://pastebin.com/pSNj9p5N and tell me what coul dhelp ? |
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| 01:54.56 | qw12 | and in another case my VM window would toggle between two sizes in an endless loop when starting with X |
| 01:55.54 | nsadmin | qw12, are you asking a guest os to run X? |
| 01:56.06 | qw12 | JenniferB2: there's utilities for using the USB for ISO thought you were already doing that for debian install, but its sort of off topic debian to discuss, so see your pm |
| 01:56.20 | qw12 | nsadmin: yes |
| 01:56.37 | qw12 | nsadmin: on the same host and same vmware software, windows works fine |
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| 01:56.53 | jagginess | actually not really.. the latest debian iso, you can simply cat debian.iso >/dev/usbdrive .. and poof usb-bootable (debian6+) |
| 01:57.02 | nsadmin | qw12, that could be the reason... could you boot one of those standalone and try X? |
| 01:57.04 | streuner__ | qw12: apt-cache show memtest86+ | grep Priority and i doubt that the Debian Boot Team would use it for d-i ... |
| 01:57.06 | jagginess | no tools needed :) |
| 01:57.28 | qw12 | nsadmin: standalone can't boot, don't have a spare drive or machine at the moment |
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| 01:57.40 | streuner__ | qw12: in order to make the iso very tiny |
| 01:57.55 | qw12 | streuner__: ok, see it, thanks.. |
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| 01:58.19 | JenniferB2 | qw12: I used unetboot... i just tried that on a separate usb ... i boot using it and I get a cannot load a ramdisk with an old kernel image |
| 01:58.20 | aristarchus | i'm having trouble installing the program "barry" |
| 01:58.25 | aristarchus | why can't it be found? |
| 01:58.27 | nsadmin | qw12, so your journey is around getting your guest os permission to access real hardware, at least I suspect this |
| 01:58.38 | streuner__ | judd, versions barrry |
| 01:58.39 | judd | No package named 'barrry' was found in i386. |
| 01:58.41 | qw12 | JenniferB2: see pm, this is for debian only |
| 01:58.46 | streuner__ | judd, versions barry |
| 01:58.47 | judd | No package named 'barry' was found in i386. |
| 01:58.52 | aristarchus | judd: i'm on amd64 |
| 01:59.11 | aristarchus | it's in the experimental set |
| 01:59.14 | qw12 | nsadmin: i don't know, not done linux X on vm before, except with ubuntu and vbox before |
| 01:59.14 | streuner__ | aristarchus: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=barry |
| 01:59.32 | streuner__ | aristarchus: and you are using stable/squeeze? |
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| 01:59.52 | aristarchus | streuner_: ya |
| 02:00.22 | streuner__ | aristarchus: /msg dpkg ssb then |
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| 02:00.41 | jagginess | qw12, JenniferB2, i've had success in the past, probably too good to be true, it is documented here-> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 02:01.07 | qw12 | nsadmin: would working in vbox (at least unbutu) mean that it should be with vmware + debian or have any clues ? |
| 02:01.30 | nsadmin | qw12, right now we don't know enough to definitively pin this down |
| 02:01.47 | jagginess | qw12, professionals use xen/kvm/qemu actually.. they wouldn't touch vmwareworkstation |
| 02:01.52 | qw12 | nsadmin: did you see my pastebin ? |
| 02:01.55 | ManoftheSea | qw12: I've done ubuntu in VMware on ubuntu before. |
| 02:01.59 | qw12 | jagginess: yup, i know that |
| 02:02.10 | qw12 | ManoftheSea: you got X working ? how about with debian ? |
| 02:02.10 | ManoftheSea | so, I would expect X to work in VMWare |
| 02:02.24 | ManoftheSea | qw12: I know it's not your exact case. Sorry. |
| 02:02.29 | nsadmin | qw12, the one with the stack trace? |
| 02:02.44 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, qw12, not my domain, but vmware-tools is available in debian's repo |
| 02:02.47 | qw12 | yup, http://pastebin.com/pSNj9p5N |
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| 02:03.10 | qw12 | jagginess: i think that's not a requimrenet, only an enhancement |
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| 02:03.37 | jagginess | qw12, to me it's a requirement, otherwise your desktop would run slow. |
| 02:03.44 | nsadmin | I did see it... that's why I suspected you're trying X from a guest os and it's denying you permission to access the hardware |
| 02:03.51 | qw12 | jagginess: ok, i didn't get that far yet |
| 02:04.06 | qw12 | nsadmin: now that you did what's your thought ? |
| 02:04.27 | jagginess | qw12, you install open-vm-toolbox within the vm itself |
| 02:05.30 | nsadmin | qw12, well, the next thought was try to boot a debian standalone, but you said you don't have resources for that atm |
| 02:05.56 | qw12 | yup |
| 02:06.06 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, xorg has a vmware driver for itself, so intrisically it just works.. (and then on top of this you install the vmware tools) |
| 02:06.12 | nsadmin | that's pretty much where I'm at at the moment |
| 02:06.22 | qw12 | ok, i am going to try when i get my hand on some |
| 02:06.37 | Pancho_Villa | hi. i've just had a crash on a debian wheezy installation. After that , i rebooted the machine but i was not able to see the logs: all stuff in /var/log/ was 'zeroed' (just like the command "> the_file" ) . Every log was an empty file. the only not empty file was the last syslog (the file /var/log/syslog) but it contained only the last boot (the post crash boot) wtf? has my pc just been *compromised* ? |
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| 02:07.24 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: first thought is, do you have smartmon installed? |
| 02:07.38 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: i guess, thats not a server? |
| 02:07.53 | jagginess | qw12, ManoftheSea, btw, vbox/Virtualbox also has an equivalent to vmware-tools.. |
| 02:08.07 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: thanks. |
| 02:08.13 | jagginess | thinks it's easy to boot with gparted-live-cd to resize ntfs 100% safely to make room for any linux these days |
| 02:08.22 | qw12 | jagginess: i used vbox with ubuntu but not so much on the network part, how is it on the bridged ethernet ? |
| 02:09.12 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: smartmon in order to make sure its not a HD issue... |
| 02:09.25 | jagginess | qw12, i'm not really going into this domain, but using gpartedcd to resize ntfs or fat32 is absolutely safe (you can thank tuxera's partnership with m$, because tuxera complements changes into ntfs-3g, which gparted freely uses) |
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| 02:09.52 | Pancho_Villa | http://paste.debian.net/179128/ <---- the file list. notice that all the .gz files are still there , but *erased*. there are syslog.1 syslog.2.gz .3.gz etcetera but size's zero |
| 02:10.10 | qw12 | jagginess: i have used that before, just not possislbe due to diskspace and other reasons now.. thanks though |
| 02:10.13 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: you didnt answer our questions yet |
| 02:10.22 | qw12 | btw how many of you keep your machines up all the time ? ! |
| 02:10.34 | streuner__ | most of the people here |
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| 02:10.48 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: what is it used for? isnt that for hard disk check/repair? and no, it's not a server, just a laptop. |
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| 02:11.19 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: smartmon checks the health of you HD, is the HD crappy or not |
| 02:11.36 | streuner__ | s/you/your/ |
| 02:11.41 | Pancho_Villa | jagginess: *really* ?!? is it that safe? are you sure? what if there's some data near the boundaries ? |
| 02:11.58 | nsadmin | qw12, I do |
| 02:12.00 | JenniferB2 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/12/msg00705.html |
| 02:12.04 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: how old is the laptop? |
| 02:12.34 | qw12 | nsadmin: cool.. |
| 02:12.42 | qw12 | nsadmin: do you use any power save stuff ? |
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| 02:12.53 | Diopter | JenniferB2: That post is nearly 2 years old. Seems odd you'd have the same issue... |
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| 02:13.26 | Diopter | qw12: Depends on which box(es) you mean. My servers are up all the time, but my main work machine is this laptop, which I suspend when not in use or traveling to/from work/etc |
| 02:13.27 | jagginess | Pancho_Villa, been doing it for years.. |
| 02:13.42 | nsadmin | (JenniferB2, reading...) qw12, other than sometimes sleep/hybernate, no |
| 02:13.52 | Diopter | qw12: I use a bouncer to persist on IRC and and messenger services |
| 02:14.04 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: it's a 2010 laptop . hd is an ssd i bough 2 month ago |
| 02:14.29 | streuner__ | ssd, nice |
| 02:14.46 | Diopter | I can never look back from using SSDs |
| 02:14.51 | ManoftheSea | holy crap, that exynos is nice. |
| 02:14.56 | ManoftheSea | er... mis-channel |
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| 02:15.04 | Diopter | Got two in this laptop now, joined into a storage pool with btrfs |
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| 02:15.30 | Diopter | 700MB/s sustained read and 600MB/s sustained write in a 13" form-factor... yes please :> |
| 02:15.39 | Pancho_Villa | jagginess: does gparted do the job of moving data while you resize the partitions, or are you simply lucky? |
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| 02:15.51 | Pancho_Villa | *bought |
| 02:15.54 | jagginess | Pancho_Villa, gparted resizes the filesystem before it resizes the partitiong, it also checks the filesystem, and it always passes (as i said it's been stable for long long time, and see tuxera.com, they're behind improvements in "speed" of ntfs-3g any late changes are very minor "char" lang support and not a worry) |
| 02:15.56 | Diopter | Pancho_Villa: gparted moves data during resizes and moves. |
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| 02:17.01 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: that sounds to me paranoid, who is willing to comprise a system on a laptop |
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| 02:17.10 | qw12 | Diopter: you have many servers? what do you do with them ? |
| 02:17.10 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: why 'nice' ? is ssd not well supported? |
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| 02:17.29 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: because ssd's are fast |
| 02:17.30 | nezZario | Diopter: offtopic but mind if I ask what software you used? |
| 02:17.40 | ManoftheSea | Diopter: how's your full disk encryption on those SSDs |
| 02:17.48 | nezZario | i've seen bitlbee which i'm assuming you're using? what about for your bnc? |
| 02:18.09 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: Nowhere near fast enough to keep up with their I/O, so I just encrypt specific files as necessary. GnuPG ftw |
| 02:18.11 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: ok, i'm paranoid, so what? is that a bad thing? |
| 02:18.13 | Diopter | nezZario: bitlbee and ZNC, yes. |
| 02:18.27 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: no, it makes you more careful |
| 02:18.29 | ManoftheSea | Diopter: really? Do you not have AES-NI? |
| 02:18.35 | Pancho_Villa | Diopter: in fact that was my question. thanks |
| 02:18.54 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: but anyway, did you look at the BTS about rotate logs yet? |
| 02:19.24 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: I do, it's a Core i5 Sandy-Bridge, but it still can't push that much data seemingly. FDE seems to top out at 250MB/s'ish |
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| 02:20.09 | Pancho_Villa | jagginess: cool! do you think it could be a good thing if i use an usb disk to install linux on it? or will it be too slow and problematic? |
| 02:20.22 | Diopter | qw12: Um, several are for webhosting, various domains for myself and friends/family. Got a mail server I run, pair of nameservers, a Chef server for workstuff, some test boxes, one running this bouncer... |
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| 02:20.41 | joulez | hi |
| 02:20.44 | Diopter | qw12: I work for a hosting company as an engineer, so I tend to touch and own a lot of boxes :P |
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| 02:21.02 | jagginess | Pancho_Villa, i've used linux on usb and it's decent for webbrowsing, I can't say about things like photo-editing/video stuff.. that takes more juice |
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| 02:21.42 | ildog | no audio.. should i try a different kernel? |
| 02:21.53 | ManoftheSea | Diopter: how do you measure your disk speed? iostat? |
| 02:21.55 | streuner__ | ildog: depends |
| 02:21.56 | qw12 | Diopter: cool... |
| 02:22.08 | qw12 | Diopter: what's the bouncer ? |
| 02:22.18 | joulez | ildog: what chip? |
| 02:22.23 | streuner__ | ildog: what kind of chipset do you use and is it supported or not? |
| 02:22.35 | ildog | was working in ubuntu, intel hda |
| 02:22.43 | streuner__ | omg |
| 02:22.44 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: bonnie++ generally |
| 02:22.51 | joulez | heh if it works in ubuntu it will work in debian |
| 02:22.56 | ManoftheSea | also, you're right... my i7 seems to get 82 MB/s per core. |
| 02:22.56 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: To test more real-world filesystem performance |
| 02:23.03 | streuner__ | ildog: intel hda has lots of issues |
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| 02:23.09 | ManoftheSea | goes looking for bonnie in aptitude |
| 02:23.15 | streuner__ | some chipsets arent supported |
| 02:23.22 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: the problem is that the old rotate logs were there until last time i checked (yesterday) and after the crash they were still there but they were empty files. |
| 02:23.24 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: Make sure you get ++! The old bonnie is very rudimentary in comparison |
| 02:23.25 | nsadmin | joulez, well maybe, there are things that don't work the same way |
| 02:23.29 | Diopter | qw12: ZNC. |
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| 02:23.38 | aristarchus | are there any linux blackberry alternatives to barry? |
| 02:23.43 | joulez | nsadmin: like what? |
| 02:23.51 | ManoftheSea | goes looking for bonnie++ howto |
| 02:23.52 | jagginess | anyone familiar with console notifications ? (trying to learn where the notification says there's new mail) |
| 02:23.53 | ildog | streuner, am i sol? |
| 02:24.19 | nsadmin | like hw detection for one |
| 02:24.34 | joulez | jagginess: notify-send |
| 02:24.51 | qw12 | Diopter: no, i meant what's the bouncer mean ? running this IRC off a bouncer |
| 02:24.52 | streuner__ | ildog: i have no idea now, but whats your chipset? and did you /msg alsa checklist yet? |
| 02:25.23 | streuner__ | ildog: /msg dpkg alsa checklist, sorry |
| 02:25.35 | jagginess | joulez, thanks .. but I'm actually relating to a default notification is coming from, for nongui) |
| 02:25.53 | jagginess | ,/would like to figure from where |
| 02:25.57 | craigevil | jagginess: system mail, type mail as user or root to read it |
| 02:26.03 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: i've just installed *smarton* . how can i use that now? there's no smartmon command ?! |
| 02:26.06 | streuner__ | Pontus: what FS do you use? |
| 02:26.21 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: what FS do you use? |
| 02:26.22 | jagginess | wants to know what daemon is displaying the notification and suspects its the local mta? |
| 02:26.32 | joulez | ildog: lspci | grep -i audio, i have a intel audio chipset "works for me!" |
| 02:26.34 | craigevil | yes mta |
| 02:26.43 | ildog | streuner: c210 series |
| 02:26.52 | nsadmin | joulez, debian thinks there's a difference between software (like drivers) which are free and have source and stuff that is not free or no source |
| 02:26.54 | ildog | streuner: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 02:27.02 | nsadmin | ubuntu does not |
| 02:27.29 | Diopter | qw12: I'm not sure if you're asking for the bouncer software (which is called znc), or how to login to mine |
| 02:27.29 | joulez | nsadmin: give an example. |
| 02:27.32 | nsadmin | so, ubuntu considers itself free to distribute the non-free stuff |
| 02:27.34 | streuner__ | ildog: we need the pciid |
| 02:27.40 | Diopter | qw12: It' my personal one if you're asking the latter, so... that's a no-go :P |
| 02:27.44 | joulez | nsadmin: debian has non-free |
| 02:28.07 | streuner__ | joulez: hd audio supported lots of chipsets... |
| 02:28.21 | nezZario | Diopter: been writing a many<->many gateway system with php slowly .. was just curious on what BNC you used |
| 02:28.23 | nsadmin | yes, but not enabled by default, and debian considers only main to be a part of debian... non-free is not |
| 02:28.38 | nezZario | e.g. connect to jabber via irc, irc via irc (as bnc), etc |
| 02:28.40 | joulez | so what use ubuntu then. |
| 02:28.50 | ManoftheSea | we agree with debian. |
| 02:28.52 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: /usr/sbin/smartctl and read its docs |
| 02:29.00 | nezZario | and eventually be able to use other interfaces->those interfaces, .. etc |
| 02:29.07 | Diopter | nezZario: Wow, with PHP no less. I wish you the best of luck |
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| 02:29.16 | nezZario | it's amazingly stable |
| 02:29.16 | nsadmin | the supposed contradiction is that these non-free things are distributed even tho debian says it's not part of debian |
| 02:29.27 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: there should be lots of doc in internet, i only know a good doc in german, but it should be available in italian too |
| 02:29.31 | Diopter | nezZario: That's an amazing statement to ever make! |
| 02:29.35 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: ext4 |
| 02:29.40 | qw12 | Diopter: what's a bounder software that lets u talk off the IRC or something ? didn't get it |
| 02:29.46 | nezZario | so many people write off php as a web only language... it really works well as CLI |
| 02:29.49 | joulez | nsadmin: so what go use Unity. |
| 02:29.58 | joulez | holds back laughter. |
| 02:30.00 | nezZario | just as well as perl or python, really... |
| 02:30.07 | nsadmin | joulez, is that available in debian? |
| 02:30.18 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: hm, is a PITA IMO, it could also delete those logs after a crash |
| 02:30.34 | nsadmin | , v unity |
| 02:30.35 | nezZario | the old php4 garbage collection that never worked is no more.. so it can actually keep a reasonable mem usage now-a-days |
| 02:30.35 | judd | No package named 'unity' was found in i386. |
| 02:30.35 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: PITA? |
| 02:30.36 | ManoftheSea | joulez is trollin. |
| 02:30.41 | Diopter | qw12: Oh. You're not even sure what a bouncer is. A bouncer is basically an IRC server that proxies connections to other IRC servers, so you can disconnect from the bouncer but it keeps you connected to the real IRC servers. |
| 02:30.43 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: Pain in the ass |
| 02:31.03 | joulez | ManoftheSea: hes babling on about ubuntu. |
| 02:31.06 | damian | nezZario: I use php for a little bit of local work |
| 02:31.07 | joulez | this is #debian. |
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| 02:31.29 | ManoftheSea | joulez aren't you the one talking about ubuntu? |
| 02:31.40 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: ext* usually doesnt like crashes much |
| 02:31.54 | joulez | ManoftheSea: so now your trolling me? |
| 02:32.00 | nsadmin | joulez, there are wayy too many examples, and I really don't have time to enumerate all of them or even search for one just to prove a point that can be shown thru research |
| 02:32.14 | damian | I don't currently use Debian, but from what I see of the stable repo, I don't want to be stuck with old software. Is it safe to add testing repo to sources, then go into /etc/apt/preferences, pin stable higher than testing, then pin certain packages higher than stable with "Pin: version /.*/" (selects all package versions, the version sorted highest is used) |
| 02:32.42 | Diopter | damian: "safe" is a relative term. Depends on what you mean and what you're willing to accept. |
| 02:32.51 | joulez | nsadmin: so you have no examples. |
| 02:32.57 | ildog | struner_: 8086:1e20 pciid for audio chipset |
| 02:33.16 | damian | the software I specifically choose to download may be broken, but otherwise nothing else is broken? |
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| 02:33.29 | Diopter | damian: The key word there is "stable". It's a three-sided choice: stable, new, secure -- pick any two. |
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| 02:34.00 | joulez | nsadmin: don't claim "foo is better than bar", then back it up with nothing. |
| 02:34.05 | streuner__ | ildog: hm, just checkout /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 02:34.16 | streuner__ | ildog: do you use GNOME too? |
| 02:34.21 | ManoftheSea | ok, maybe I have it wrong. |
| 02:34.36 | nsadmin | joulez, having said all that, I'd like to think as you do, but I do know they are different and there are advantages and disadvantages to each, which you are welcome to research yourself. in direct answer to your question, no, I don't, and that's because I am unwilling to spend the time |
| 02:34.44 | damian | well I guess about the only thing I'm worried about is, will it have dependency problems? |
| 02:34.57 | Diopter | damian: Personally I use testing (without pinning) on my everyday box I use for work, and several servers too. But for things I really need stable and secure, I use the stable release. |
| 02:35.16 | Diopter | damian: However, that said, wheezy is frozen and will ostensibly become the 'stable' release soon. |
| 02:35.20 | ildog | struner_: going through /msg dpkg alsa checklist, i'm using gnome3 testing weezy 64-bit |
| 02:35.55 | joulez | ildog: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 02:35.57 | ManoftheSea | I use testing on my laptop, but currently have an issue with bluetooth headphones. |
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| 02:37.05 | ildog | joulez: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 02:37.26 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: LOL. Strange! i've just noticed that the files are back?!? At the first reboot after that crash there were only 0 size files. then also in the other reboots. Than, because it continued crashing each time i ran startx i tried to disable and uninstall fs2ram. then i rebooted and now i can see that the logs are back, but the part between the crash and 2 or 3 reboot after that is still *missing* |
| 02:38.53 | ildog | could my audio issue be a result of a a failure to enable msi_x (the usb3.0 panel on the front of my case)? |
| 02:39.12 | streuner__ | ildog: make sure pulseaudio isnt installed |
| 02:39.17 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: strange |
| 02:39.39 | ildog | struner_, it is. i'll uninstall. |
| 02:39.51 | joulez | ildog: lsmod | grep -i intel |
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| 02:40.04 | joulez | should be snd_hda_intel |
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| 02:41.43 | ildog | snd_hda_intel 26345 2 |
| 02:41.53 | ildog | looks like the module is there |
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| 02:43.40 | Pancho_Villa | Maybe tha was part of fs2ram job. boh?! The only suspicious things in the logs are ~57187 lines with "UDP Checksum error" and then 4 and 8 hours later there are some *martians* "martian source $LOCAL_IP_ADDRESS from $SOME_EXTERNAL_IP_ADDRESS" the external ip are 2 and are repeating for a total of 48 lines. The fact that they two seems synchronized togheter and following programmed time intervals (same periods) makes me think that the |
| 02:43.52 | Pancho_Villa | *that |
| 02:44.10 | joulez | ildog: alsamixer then press "S" |
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| 02:44.55 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: is martian source a real threat ? |
| 02:45.02 | ildog | joulez: `cannot load mixer controls` |
| 02:45.19 | streuner__ | ildog: just reboot |
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| 02:45.25 | ildog | brb |
| 02:45.26 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: no idea |
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| 02:45.51 | VampsDaBeast | does any one if the package libdb3-util is still available in the repos? |
| 02:46.06 | streuner__ | Pancho_Villa: what do you mean by "martian source"? |
| 02:46.23 | streuner__ | VampsDaBeast: packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 02:46.45 | streuner__ | judd, versions libdb3-util |
| 02:46.46 | judd | No package named 'libdb3-util' was found in i386. |
| 02:46.48 | streuner__ | hm |
| 02:46.59 | VampsDaBeast | streuner__ when i do apt-get install libdb3-util i got no package likeyou did |
| 02:47.25 | VampsDaBeast | tryin to setup a fresh installed server.. |
| 02:47.49 | streuner__ | VampsDaBeast: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libdb3-util |
| 02:48.33 | VampsDaBeast | hmmm maybe i am lookin at an out-of-date how to |
| 02:48.41 | simonlnu | streuner__: logging martian packets, e.g. |
| 02:49.03 | VampsDaBeast | streuner__ : this is what i'm lookin at http://www.howtoforge.com/lemp_nginx_mysql_php_ubuntu_debian |
| 02:49.07 | streuner__ | simonlnu: hm, isnt a term to me, anyway |
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| 02:50.31 | ManoftheSea | are you asking what a Martian is? |
| 02:50.37 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: the message in the syslog |
| 02:50.52 | nsadmin | VampsDaBeast, is that a package that used to exist? |
| 02:51.29 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: i have put this "net.ipv4.conf.all.log_martians = 1 |
| 02:51.39 | Pancho_Villa | in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 02:52.21 | VampsDaBeast | nadmin : as i look at the creation date of the how to guide, it was made in 2007, so it may be a old package that is no longer used. |
| 02:53.16 | VampsDaBeast | long story short, i'm tryin to get a good handle on using a debian based server using LEMP instead of LAMP. |
| 02:54.47 | Pancho_Villa | streuner__: those are packet that arrive from an external net (aka internet) in an internal net (LAN) but have has source a spoofed address to make the receiver think that the packet originates from the LAN. Or something like that.. |
| 02:55.17 | ManoftheSea | impossible to come from the network from which they came. |
| 02:55.21 | Pancho_Villa | s/has/" " |
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| 02:56.44 | simonlnu | pretty much yes |
| 02:56.54 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: can't you just apt-get install nginx, mysql, and whatever your P was? |
| 02:56.55 | Pancho_Villa | ManoftheSea: so what does my log mean? that someone on the Internet sent me a packet to my pc pretending he was me? i wonder how can he spoofs like that ? IP in IP ?!? |
| 02:57.21 | ManoftheSea | Pancho_Villa: it's possible your ISP has bad rules. It's possible someone is just spoofing their source. |
| 02:57.38 | ManoftheSea | but your computer should be unable to respond to it. |
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| 02:58.18 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, debian-based? that sounds to automagic to me, btw i did spot libinnodb3 as a package dunno if thats releveant |
| 02:58.51 | ManoftheSea | innodb is a mysql database. |
| 02:59.12 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: you shouldn't have to manually install libs. |
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| 02:59.48 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, he's not using debian, he's using a non-debian but debian-based, so he really should ask an appropriate mailing for all the automagic that gets done |
| 03:00.01 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: oh wow, libdb3 is for postfix install? Debian uses exim by default, methinks. |
| 03:00.20 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess and ManoftheSea i found a more updated HowTo on setup for Debian with LEMP |
| 03:00.20 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: oh, yeah then. If it ain't Debian, it ain't Debian. |
| 03:00.44 | VampsDaBeast | the how to i was looking at was more based towards Ubuntu Server |
| 03:00.46 | ManoftheSea | And if it ain't Debian, it's crap. |
| 03:00.52 | ManoftheSea | (kidding :) ) |
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| 03:01.19 | Pancho_Villa | ManoftheSea: yes but how can someone send a packet with *two* sources from the internet to a NAT ?!? |
| 03:01.46 | ManoftheSea | no, but they can send two packets. |
| 03:01.54 | ManoftheSea | to a nat? |
| 03:02.03 | ManoftheSea | you're getting these inside a NAT? |
| 03:02.23 | joulez | but usually the case. |
| 03:02.51 | jagginess | STP out of control. mahaha |
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| 03:03.28 | ManoftheSea | "Two sources? look out guys, we got a badass over here." |
| 03:03.49 | ManoftheSea | not directed at you, Pancho_Villa, but at whomever is sending bad packets your way. |
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| 03:07.19 | Pancho_Villa | ManoftheSea: but my ethernet card is not in promisc mode and that pc is not a router. So how can that pc have this log --> "martian source $PC_LAN_ADDRESS from $SOME_SUCKER_ON_THE_INTERNET, on dev eth0" |
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| 03:07.54 | ManoftheSea | What are you using as a router? |
| 03:09.11 | Pancho_Villa | the log means that someone on the Internet sent to my pc an IP packet with my pc local IP as source and as destination. So *HOW* can syslog detect what the real address (the one of the s*cker on the Internet ) was ? |
| 03:09.53 | Pancho_Villa | ManoftheSea: I'm using another pc as a router. |
| 03:11.04 | ManoftheSea | Pancho_Villa: no... if you're getting $SOME_INTERNET_ADDRESS, that's the source... |
| 03:11.57 | ManoftheSea | wait, maybe I'm confused. |
| 03:12.02 | jparkton | Pancho_Villa: why not google that address and see who it is? |
| 03:12.10 | ManoftheSea | You're seeing this on a computer with only one network card? |
| 03:12.23 | jparkton | oh |
| 03:12.29 | jparkton | dafuq? |
| 03:12.33 | ManoftheSea | I thought martians were invalid packets. |
| 03:12.37 | jparkton | impossibru |
| 03:12.46 | ManoftheSea | shamefur dispray. |
| 03:12.50 | jagginess | jparkton, you're answer reminds me what one of 'em did in south park, they googled to do their research :) |
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| 03:13.37 | Pancho_Villa | ManoftheSea: yes. I've also a wireless card but it's automatically disabled when i use the cable. |
| 03:13.37 | jparkton | jagginess: I usually want to know what the IP is if it is sending odd packets to me. |
| 03:13.54 | jagginess | jparkton, lol |
| 03:13.54 | jparkton | so I dig it |
| 03:13.57 | jparkton | lol |
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| 03:14.04 | jagginess | jparkton, jpark== the new southpark :) |
| 03:14.12 | Pancho_Villa | ManoftheSea: so it was using only a card. |
| 03:14.14 | jparkton | yessir!! |
| 03:14.28 | ManoftheSea | then... it shouldn't be considering those martians. |
| 03:14.37 | ManoftheSea | rite gais? |
| 03:14.46 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, maybe I can't help you, Pancho_Villa |
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| 03:15.42 | Cael | i got a strange issue that just crept up on me with Debian Squeeze, ScummVM would always get sound in or out of LXDE, now if i set it to use ALSA (i remember awhile back doing export AUDIODRIVER=alsa to fix Fceu,) its crashing how can i set the audiodriver to default w/o reimaging my SD Card? |
| 03:15.43 | jagginess | jparkton, what network devices are you using? are you using 2 or 3 boxes? |
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| 03:16.26 | Pancho_Villa | jparkton: nothing special. the two addresses are from commercial servers where someone can rent a server. (thing like OVH etcetera) |
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| 03:16.48 | Cael | if set it to alsa out of LXDE and run it i get warnings about MIDI Device , within LXDE, pure crash teh moment teh game tries to load |
| 03:17.03 | jparkton | Pancho_Villa: oh |
| 03:17.05 | jagginess | Cael, if its alsa, there's ~/.asoundrc file that's configurable to set the default pcm playback device, (sometimes alsa gets confused if you dont specify which is the higher priority playback devices for 1+ many devices) |
| 03:17.26 | Cael | if it means much this is all on an RaspberryPi |
| 03:17.32 | The_Eccentric | Im trying to install deb from an usb b/c cd roms broken but everytime I get to searching for network hardware it hangs Ive tried with eth pluged in and with out any thoughts? |
| 03:17.59 | Pancho_Villa | jparkton: oh/2. XD I've followed your advice: TOR! |
| 03:18.21 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: all of the debian install iso files can be put on a usb and botted just fine. |
| 03:18.29 | jparkton | Pancho_Villa: there we go |
| 03:18.37 | Pancho_Villa | jparkton: the two ip are from Tor so i think it was my tor daemon connections. |
| 03:18.42 | jagginess | somiaj, not all of them, the older ones cannot |
| 03:18.43 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: opps, it could be your network device needs non-free firmware to run |
| 03:18.46 | jparkton | did you see the port it was using? |
| 03:18.55 | somiaj | jagginess: I assume people installing debian are installing supported versions |
| 03:19.05 | jagginess | somiaj, debian6+. |
| 03:19.08 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: so it could be that you are just missing a non-free firmware package. |
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| 03:19.14 | Pancho_Villa | jparkton: it remains a mistrery *how* did they originate :7 |
| 03:19.41 | jparkton | TOR nodes? |
| 03:19.53 | jparkton | are you running TOR? |
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| 03:20.46 | Cael | i've had to run scummvm as root as it wouldnt run otherwise. |
| 03:20.52 | Cael | and i cant get at /root |
| 03:21.18 | jparkton | Cael: ? |
| 03:21.27 | jagginess | Cael, you need to ask on #raspberrypi |
| 03:21.28 | jparkton | is there an error message or anything? |
| 03:21.42 | Cael | Permission Denied! |
| 03:21.42 | jagginess | Cael, raspberry uses a SoC.. |
| 03:21.48 | jagginess | Cael, wrong channel |
| 03:21.57 | Cael | yeesh Sorry |
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| 03:22.20 | Cael | since instantly Rasp-Pi usre = Ignore i'll just reimage the SD. |
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| 03:23.12 | Pancho_Villa | jparkton: as is said. I was running tor at that moment. |
| 03:23.12 | jagginess | Cael, the build of debian on raspberry is unique and only made for that SoC hardwarre |
| 03:23.15 | tzarc | has to wonder about some people |
| 03:23.38 | ManoftheSea | hey, I didn't know that. |
| 03:24.17 | tzarc | you can run the standard debian armel on it though *shrug* |
| 03:24.44 | VampsDaBeast | wow good guides are hard to find |
| 03:25.14 | The_Eccentric | somiaj: is there a specvial iso i can dl with that non-free on there? |
| 03:26.30 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: no offical one. What I do is install the base system (you can do that from the netinstall iso without a network connenction) |
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| 03:26.53 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: Just tell it not to configure the network. Then manually copy over the files you need to get your network up and then complete the isntall |
| 03:27.16 | somiaj | !tell The_Eccentric kumto |
| 03:27.40 | somiaj | !tell The_Eccentric about kumto |
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| 03:27.49 | somiaj | !tell The_Eccentric kmuto |
| 03:27.52 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, true, sometimes the only way is by word of mouth or people in the trade.. otherwise it gets confusing really fast, rfc here, rfc there, (take for example a good source of introductory material how email or dns really works.. this is hard to find) |
| 03:27.55 | somiaj | !tell The_Eccentric about kmuto |
| 03:27.59 | The_Eccentric | :D |
| 03:28.04 | somiaj | (arg I fail baddly today) anyways those are the unoffiacl images |
| 03:28.28 | Pancho_Villa | is going to dd the backup to the root partition. :| bye |
| 03:28.37 | The_Eccentric | somiaj: so take it I can't do this with weezy? |
| 03:28.43 | VampsDaBeast | jagginess which http package is better for a beginner wanting to learn |
| 03:29.08 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: with wheezy you should install a base stable system then dist-upgrade to it (and not use the testing installer) |
| 03:29.09 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, pardon sir? you mean what |
| 03:29.20 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, how to develop for websites? |
| 03:29.28 | VampsDaBeast | apache2 nginx lighttp |
| 03:29.34 | ManoftheSea | somiaj: how do you feel about a testing debootstrap? |
| 03:29.37 | somiaj | The_Eccentric: the testing installer is more test new installer features as opposed to working to install testing (sometimes the instlaler is just broken) |
| 03:29.50 | somiaj | ManoftheSea: that works too if y ou want to go though the process of setting up the kernel and basic stuff |
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| 03:30.07 | The_Eccentric | somiaj: kool thanx |
| 03:30.14 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, apache2 is the hardest to tinker with, but its the most rewarding learning |
| 03:30.29 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: which can you find the most help for? Apache is going to have howtos. |
| 03:31.00 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, there's apache2-doc or apache-doc bundled with it.. lighthttp is the easiest i think of the 3, dunno about nginx, never looked at it |
| 03:31.13 | somiaj | ManoftheSea: I actually prefer debootstrap myself, but don't suggest it as it does take a bit of handholding for unfmailar people. |
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| 03:31.42 | VampsDaBeast | ManoftheSea : understood and agreed, like i said, i'm a new learner to linux servers so i wanna set one up that will run locally before i go public with it |
| 03:31.58 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: which is your P? PHP? |
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| 03:32.26 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, if you want to study networking, you should study the telnet protocol, alot of the higher application protocols are modeled after telnet |
| 03:32.27 | VampsDaBeast | ManoftheSea for web developing? |
| 03:32.36 | ManoftheSea | Is it a hobby? I might suggest you try python rather than PHP |
| 03:32.49 | ManoftheSea | you said a LAMP or LEMP server... |
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| 03:33.48 | VampsDaBeast | ManoftheSea : ahh yes.. ok i understand were your asking now. what i wanna do is get the most basic server setup so i can tinker and learn. |
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| 03:34.29 | VampsDaBeast | but bar none, it will start as a hobby and hopefully lead to a business |
| 03:34.44 | jagginess | and then you donate to us :) |
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| 03:34.57 | jagginess | because we got your business up and running |
| 03:34.58 | VampsDaBeast | if the support is good.. ofc |
| 03:35.24 | VampsDaBeast | i give back to what is giving |
| 03:35.56 | jagginess | and what's that? 2 cents? |
| 03:36.16 | VampsDaBeast | i attempted to get help in the ubuntu server chanel.. i would rather have my bowels removed thru my ears then listen there |
| 03:36.22 | jagginess | donates at least to wikipedia on a yearly basis for all the linux babble terminologies |
| 03:36.34 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: apt-get install apache2 mysql-server mysql-client python libapache2-mod-python |
| 03:36.53 | jagginess | well that depends if you have any ears to begin with! |
| 03:36.55 | ManoftheSea | that's most of what you'd need. |
| 03:37.06 | ManoftheSea | but of course, I have no idea how you'll use it. |
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| 03:37.26 | VampsDaBeast | ManoftheSea ok , thanks i'll save that so i can reference it |
| 03:37.47 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, i already told him apache2 is the most rewarding, but if he's stuck on something not automatigically working for him then he's in a steep learning curve |
| 03:37.59 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: you're probably right. |
| 03:38.08 | ManoftheSea | But equally, there' sprobably a howto on it. |
| 03:38.13 | jagginess | (nginx / lighthttp if its worth anything) |
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| 03:38.30 | ManoftheSea | VampsDaBeast: you might also check out aptitude, and look at the packages around those I listed. |
| 03:38.32 | jagginess | lighthttp is not bad, but i cant recall if i tried nginx.. |
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| 03:38.48 | ManoftheSea | They might provide some connector that you're missing. |
| 03:38.53 | VampsDaBeast | aptitude.. a very good friend of mine... |
| 03:39.05 | ManoftheSea | PHP is an awful language, that's why I suggest python. |
| 03:39.13 | ManoftheSea | But use what you like. |
| 03:39.19 | VampsDaBeast | and as of right now.. all i have installed in the base system on a box. |
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| 03:39.49 | ManoftheSea | hmmm.... I think there's a mediawiki package... |
| 03:39.56 | ManoftheSea | That should depend on a LAMP stack with php. |
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| 03:40.06 | jagginess | VampsDaBeast, if you want to practicd scripting, you can also use php-cli, sort of like bash scripting in console |
| 03:40.08 | ManoftheSea | and it would give you files to look through. |
| 03:40.09 | VampsDaBeast | which i have reinstalled debian on it bout 4 times just messing around |
| 03:40.35 | VampsDaBeast | ok, |
| 03:41.10 | VampsDaBeast | so a LAPy stack to start with and learn from? |
| 03:41.49 | jagginess | If you want to rape python with web servicing frameworks, you should check out zope (if you're hardcore about picking pythong explicitly) |
| 03:42.25 | ManoftheSea | I'm the one who keeps saying python. |
| 03:42.29 | VampsDaBeast | ok, i'll check that out as well |
| 03:42.40 | jagginess | y..if he's dead serious about it |
| 03:42.44 | VampsDaBeast | lol yea.. ManoftheSea is the one raping python lol |
| 03:43.02 | ManoftheSea | what is this rape? At least it isn't PHP |
| 03:43.21 | ManoftheSea | PHP is like C, for Visual Basic users, on the internet. |
| 03:43.46 | jagginess | here it is apache2==>learning, zope==>learning << if you can learn these two everything else is a joke |
| 03:43.51 | VampsDaBeast | long term my goal is to setup servers to host websites and stream media thru shoutcast and/or icecast |
| 03:44.49 | VampsDaBeast | so first get a hard grip on apache2.. then zope. |
| 03:45.14 | jagginess | i already checked out a project which streams to ipod and other mobile devices.. (also through webbrowser) .. works very well -> http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp |
| 03:45.31 | VampsDaBeast | thanks for the help guys.. i do apprecaite all your input. |
| 03:45.53 | jagginess | and Gambas3 is better and sexier than Visual Basic. Come on.. avoid m$ here ;P |
| 03:46.03 | nezZario | can we not have language wars here? |
| 03:46.16 | Rusty1 | http://i.imgur.com/EE7nB.jpg |
| 03:46.17 | ManoftheSea | nezZario: sorry. |
| 03:46.31 | nezZario | i guess i'm lucky enough to see that each language has it application |
| 03:46.37 | nezZario | that's all there is to be said about it |
| 03:46.55 | nezZario | at best, a language /may/ proove a little better suitable for more applications than the next |
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| 03:47.48 | VampsDaBeast-Awa | thanks again guys.. be back after a bit. |
| 03:48.00 | ManoftheSea | http://webonastick.com/php.html |
| 03:48.06 | ManoftheSea | nezZario: why php sucks. |
| 03:48.43 | nezZario | And, I don't give one flying shit |
| 03:49.29 | nezZario | I use c, perl, php, lua, and recently picked up some python in the past 2 years .. all but lua and python stemming back over 8 years |
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| 03:50.02 | nezZario | it's about the right language for the right application |
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| 03:50.56 | ManoftheSea | nezZario: that page starts as a funny read... then ends up infuriating. |
| 03:51.24 | nezZario | that site doesn't even explain /real/ php pitfalls like horrible garbage collection in the 4.x series, or the occasionally unsafe memory usage still in code |
| 03:51.35 | ManoftheSea | but I'm messing with libopenssl-engine-tpm right now... |
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| 03:51.43 | ManoftheSea | Which may not even apply to openssl 1.0 |
| 03:51.47 | nezZario | and p.s., i *hate* python's syntax ;) |
| 03:52.00 | nezZario | it's not a bad language once you get past that though.. |
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| 03:52.27 | nezZario | i've been using c style languages for over half of my life though.. so it's kinda like sticking an english speaking person in china and telling them "Good luck!" |
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| 03:54.06 | nezZario | ManoftheSea: p.s., prepared statements are not a good idea in most circumstances.. it bypasses the query cache (for ALL langauges, afaik) |
| 03:54.18 | nezZario | i get so tired of ignorance :( |
| 03:55.01 | ManoftheSea | are those the ones where it just dumps the variables in? |
| 03:55.21 | ManoftheSea | so it can analyse in advance, and you don't get little bobby tables errors? |
| 03:55.22 | nezZario | languages and OS's are tools, not flags, heritage, or something to rabble rabble over |
| 03:56.03 | nezZario | it isn't going to analyze in advance in most situations |
| 03:56.13 | ManoftheSea | Robert '; DROP TABLE STUDENTS -- LastName |
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| 03:56.40 | nezZario | i never said don't escape unsafe data properly :) |
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| 03:58.14 | nezZario | i think i shall start a website |
| 03:58.31 | jparkton | nooooooo |
| 03:58.33 | jparkton | lol |
| 03:58.46 | jparkton | no moar interwebz by order of Osama |
| 03:58.48 | jparkton | Obama |
| 03:58.51 | nezZario | jparkton: i just don't get it. freebsd people don't like linux people, because their OS is better |
| 03:59.02 | jparkton | lol |
| 03:59.04 | nezZario | linux people don't like bsd people, .. php people don't like python people who don't like ruby people, etc |
| 03:59.16 | jparkton | $People |
| 03:59.29 | nezZario | the endless os/langauge/this software/that software wars get old |
| 03:59.34 | jparkton | its a personal thing really |
| 03:59.50 | ManoftheSea | but we all hate Windows 8 |
| 03:59.57 | ManoftheSea | h8 the 8 |
| 03:59.58 | jparkton | I cant stand Ubuntu people mostly because the majority I have met are snobbish pricks |
| 04:00.01 | nezZario | i guess i have a unique perspective that I've used and *currently use* just about every OS and langauge in the world on a day to day basis |
| 04:00.02 | jparkton | but thats just me |
| 04:00.13 | ManoftheSea | snobbish? What do they have to be snobs about? |
| 04:00.16 | nezZario | ok, not every one in the world , but more than average |
| 04:00.17 | ManoftheSea | Ubuntu "just works" |
| 04:00.23 | jparkton | ManoftheSea: no clue honestly |
| 04:00.23 | nezZario | SHUSH |
| 04:00.24 | ManoftheSea | for some definition of work |
| 04:00.40 | ManoftheSea | That definition including getting a toy OS on your desktop. |
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| 04:01.01 | nezZario | :( |
| 04:01.03 | jparkton | ManoftheSea: Ubuntu is swingin off the nutz of M$, and the OS is really just a busted looking windows vista |
| 04:01.03 | nezZario | major backfire |
| 04:01.07 | jparkton | so im not sure lol |
| 04:01.09 | nezZario | i give up, going to bed with the wife. |
| 04:01.17 | ManoftheSea | night |
| 04:01.35 | jparkton | mmmm |
| 04:01.40 | jparkton | oh wut? |
| 04:01.53 | jparkton | Women are for Windowers |
| 04:01.59 | jparkton | Linux needs nada |
| 04:02.03 | jparkton | j/k |
| 04:02.48 | ManoftheSea | make wife |
| 04:02.58 | ManoftheSea | find ./ -name wife |
| 04:03.04 | ManoftheSea | hmm... |
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| 04:03.25 | jparkton | sad panda |
| 04:03.33 | jparkton | now wife installed |
| 04:03.38 | jparkton | \o/ |
| 04:03.40 | ManoftheSea | ah, here it is... waifu |
| 04:03.48 | jparkton | ahhh |
| 04:03.49 | ErikMouse | Sounds like you are better off uninstalling Ubuntu and installing Lenny in its place. |
| 04:03.54 | jparkton | went the Oriental route didya |
| 04:04.15 | ManoftheSea | oh, I thought I was going the sad internet meme route. |
| 04:04.26 | jparkton | whitu piggu |
| 04:04.31 | jparkton | lol |
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| 04:52.12 | SachinDey | Can anyone tell me how to start apps one after anther after short period of time |
| 04:52.49 | nsadmin | SachinDey, look into at |
| 04:54.21 | SachinDey | nsadmin: Ifound something like this |
| 04:54.22 | SachinDey | #!/bin/sh # Echo A 60 seconds later, but without blocking the rest of the script sleep 60 && echo "A" echo "B" echo "C" |
| 04:55.54 | nsadmin | I guess you could use sleep |
| 04:57.31 | nsadmin | at would be another way |
| 04:59.34 | SachinDey | is there anything else than sleep |
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| 05:05.29 | jagginess | there a way to do a force-<anything> with apt.conf/apt ? |
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| 05:38.17 | LibertyTrader | alright I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and it apparently uninstalled LXDE and now when I type startx, LXDE doesn't start. Where does debian store the startx script (this happens under root and my username) |
| 05:38.23 | LibertyTrader | im on raspberry pi |
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| 05:39.03 | qw12 | to avoid removing the empty cron.hourly directory, will an empty .placeholder file be enough |
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| 05:43.57 | harovali | hi, although sane-find-scanner says "found USB scanner (vendor=0x04e8 [Samsung], product=0x3434 [SCX-4623 Series]) at libusb:001:003" , xsane complains about "failed to start scanner: invalid argument", some people seem to have passed thru this problem earlier (i.e. http://superuser.com/questions/67580/failed-to-start-scanner-invalid-argument-xsane ) , but the proposed solution does not work for me |
| 05:44.04 | harovali | It's not a webcam conflict problem since there is no webcam connected to the system |
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| 05:51.22 | qw12 | do you know what the time out is ? |
| 05:51.26 | qw12 | to avoid removing the empty cron.hourly directory, will an empty .placeholder file be enough |
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| 06:34.17 | cads | hey guys |
| 06:34.49 | cads | I've compiled a program called scid-vs-pc. It's a chess analysis program based on scid. I'm wondering what the best practice is for including it into my path |
| 06:35.02 | cads | it currently lives in ~/assets/scid_vs_pc |
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| 06:35.14 | cads | and I have a link in ~/bin to the executable |
| 06:38.50 | joulez | cads: /usr/local |
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| 06:40.00 | joulez | oh |
| 06:40.08 | Squeige | quick question I am migrating from freebsd to debian, how can I check what user groups are available upon install? |
| 06:40.11 | joulez | cads, ~/.bashrc |
| 06:40.13 | joulez | sorry |
| 06:40.22 | Squeige | I tried goodle and found all relevant commands, |
| 06:40.36 | Squeige | but none stating where to check for what groups are avaiable |
| 06:40.51 | DropsOfSerenity | Squeige, cat /etc/group |
| 06:40.55 | kingsley | cads: Maybe something like ... $ PATH=$PATH,/home/cads/assets/scid_vs_ps |
| 06:41.23 | Squeige | ty |
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| 06:46.54 | metaphysician | can the kernel be compiled with the clang compiler? |
| 06:47.24 | joulez | <search engine> can't help? |
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| 06:48.02 | joulez | remembers the pgcc days |
| 06:48.06 | WormFood | can anyone recommend a easy to use, graphing/plotting program packaged in debian? I know "easy to use" is subjective ;) I want to plot to the price of a product, vs the volume bought, in a X-Y chart. Will gnumeric do this? I can plot single items in gnumeric, but I want to plot a formula. |
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| 06:48.30 | joulez | WormFood: postgresql |
| 06:48.36 | joulez | use a database. |
| 06:48.46 | WormFood | database? |
| 06:48.51 | metaphysician | WormFood: gnuplot or R? |
| 06:48.55 | WormFood | that does not seem like the right tool for the job |
| 06:49.10 | joulez | postgis |
| 06:49.32 | WormFood | metaphysician, what would be the debian package name for "R"? |
| 06:49.59 | WormFood | I found it |
| 06:50.07 | WormFood | thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll check 'em out |
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| 06:51.20 | cads | kingsley, oh yeah, I can just drop it onto the path |
| 06:51.48 | cads | or drop the path onto it, as it were :) |
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| 06:57.01 | Squeige | anyone seen this when trying to install sudo? |
| 06:57.02 | Squeige | insserv: warning: script is corrupt or invalid: /etc/init.d/../rc6.d/K00vzreboot |
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| 09:35.15 | Pancho_Villa | hi, i have run chkrootkit and it gave me "The tty of the following user process(es) were not found in /var/run/utmp !" "tty7 Ss+ 1:52 /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp :0 -auth /tmp/serverauth." is it a false positive caused by me running bumblebeed ? ( btw, that session is running as "startx&" , *not* as "optirun startx&" ) |
| 09:35.22 | Pancho_Villa | or is it some serious threat ? |
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| 09:40.42 | ashes | i'm trying to install debian on an android chroot. I get "E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source" from the second stage bootstrap |
| 09:41.03 | ashes | google isn't helping me |
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| 09:47.11 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: it looks like a normal X session. Both chkrootkit and rkhunter often have false positives. |
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| 09:49.58 | ompaul | ashes: no idea if this will help you http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/debian-on-android/ |
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| 09:56.02 | mah454 | Can change process owner without kill it ? |
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| 09:56.25 | umarzuki | where do i have to check on mailscanner which proxy server that it is pointing to? |
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| 10:10.10 | brokenicedove | Is Icedove unmaintained? |
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| 10:10.56 | brokenicedove | There is a bug in icedove when sending large attachments, which causes dataloss and doesn't send the e-mail which has been known for more than 3 years. |
| 10:11.36 | brokenicedove | I am quite sure that Thunderbird 13 or so doesn't have this problem. Why is it that 'stable' software doesn't work and 'unstable' does? |
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| 10:12.27 | brokenicedove | Stable is supposed to be used in production, right? |
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| 10:14.25 | raboof | brokenicedove: the paradox here is that also bugfixes need to be tested to make sure they don't introduce bigger problems |
| 10:14.25 | gusnan | brokenicedove, you know about http://mozilla.debian.net/ , right? Otherwise, that can be used to run a newer icedove on stable. |
| 10:15.13 | brokenicedove | raboof: 4 years? |
| 10:15.30 | brokenicedove | raboof: (I just found a bug report from 2008 for the same thing) |
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| 10:16.09 | raboof | brokenicedove: it was fixed 4 years ago and that fix didn't make it into stable yet? |
| 10:16.50 | brokenicedove | raboof: no, it was likely fixed a few years ago. |
| 10:17.10 | brokenicedove | raboof: having different versions of software only introduces support problems. |
| 10:17.24 | brokenicedove | raboof: especially so in open-source. |
| 10:17.45 | brokenicedove | raboof: because the developers only have interest in fixing the latest version (the one they use) |
| 10:18.35 | raboof | brokenicedove: with 'different versions' you mean 'thunderbird and icedove'? |
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| 10:19.13 | brokenicedove | raboof: no, I mean, some people running icedove 3 where much newer software is available which is derived from it. |
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| 10:20.05 | brokenicedove | raboof: the newest icedove version is also 3 versions behind Thunderbird. |
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| 10:20.16 | brokenicedove | raboof: the one available via mozilla. |
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| 10:20.47 | brokenicedove | raboof: I am essentially getting forced to install Thunderbird from some out of Debian installer now. |
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| 10:21.07 | petemc | how terrible |
| 10:21.58 | brokenicedove | petemc: this basically negates the very reason for the existence of the packaging of these packages for Debian. |
| 10:22.20 | petemc | brokenicedove: is the bug reported in debian? |
| 10:22.22 | raboof | brokenicedove: I don't think your problem is related to 'different versions', it's related to the fact that the packaging-testing-promoting pipeline takes a long time, right? |
| 10:22.59 | brokenicedove | petemc: yes |
| 10:23.04 | petemc | bug number? |
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| 10:23.44 | aum | hi - mysql on one of my squeeze machines is taking 133MB (and that's with no activity, no databases or tables defined). Is that normal? |
| 10:23.54 | aum | and what's the best way to reduce it? |
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| 10:25.51 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I'm using the instructions from !ssb to install python3.2 from sid, but I get unsatsified build dependencies error. |
| 10:26.02 | brokenicedove | petemc: I don't know whether it has been reported specifically for Debian, but it's an upstream issue: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535070 |
| 10:26.19 | brokenicedove | petemc: it certainly is exactly the same issue. |
| 10:26.33 | nyuszika7h | Or actually, wait |
| 10:26.42 | nyuszika7h | I forgot the aptitude build-dep |
| 10:26.42 | brokenicedove | raboof: the pipeline doesn't solve all the problems. |
| 10:27.00 | brokenicedove | raboof: what should happen is everyone writing tests for every release to see which things should work. |
| 10:27.18 | brokenicedove | raboof: only after the automated tests have run a release should be made to stable. |
| 10:27.24 | nyuszika7h | Now... this is a headless machine. I don't want X11, xterm, IDLE and all those things, but according to aptitude some X11 things and xterm are *build dependencies* of python3.2. |
| 10:27.26 | brokenicedove | raboof: but none of such QA is in Debian. |
| 10:27.41 | brokenicedove | raboof: which results in software of low quality. |
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| 10:28.04 | brokenicedove | raboof: when was the last time you heard that Outlook cuoldn't send an attachment of 5MB? |
| 10:28.17 | brokenicedove | raboof: you haven't, since they test these things. |
| 10:28.43 | petemc | ... |
| 10:29.02 | petemc | yes, all microsoft software, especially outlook, is perfect |
| 10:29.24 | brokenicedove | petemc: take GMail then. |
| 10:29.26 | nyuszika7h | Seems they're just recommendations and I can do -package |
| 10:29.40 | petemc | brokenicedove: icedove isnt known to be great software, the bug you mention has nothing specific, just a load of people saying "me too" |
| 10:29.53 | raboof | brokenicedove: I think primarily Mozilla should be responsible for that kind of testing, not Debian |
| 10:29.56 | brokenicedove | petemc: nothing specific? |
| 10:30.05 | brokenicedove | petemc: you mean like a backtrace? |
| 10:30.17 | brokenicedove | petemc: if you Google for it, you find backtraces too. |
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| 10:31.02 | brokenicedove | raboof: that's bureaucracy. |
| 10:31.36 | brokenicedove | petemc: if the software was designed properly, it would have been easy to debug. |
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| 10:31.55 | brokenicedove | petemc: e.g. it could save a trace of all input all the time. |
| 10:32.06 | petemc | who is your complaint against? |
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| 10:32.24 | brokenicedove | petemc: Debian lagging behind in packaging Thunderbird 13. |
| 10:32.43 | brokenicedove | petemc: and in particular shipping broken software for years. |
| 10:32.57 | petemc | you're clearly a troll |
| 10:32.59 | brokenicedove | petemc: a correct resolution would be to drop it from the archives. |
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| 10:33.08 | raboof | brokenicedove: and the fix you propose is more QA testing in Debian? I mean, that would be cool, but it would delay new software getting in even more, because all QA testing results would have to be addressed. |
| 10:33.27 | brokenicedove | raboof: no, it wouldn't. |
| 10:33.46 | brokenicedove | raboof: every fix of something (a changeset) could be applied incrementally. |
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| 10:34.08 | brokenicedove | raboof: you are just having a system administrator's hat on who is afraid of any change. |
| 10:34.19 | petemc | brokenicedove: stop trying to act as if you know better than the thousand or so volunteers who create debian - you dont |
| 10:35.04 | ompaul | brokenicedove: your logic is flawed, 10 changes to libre office would cause how many sequential rebuilds? |
| 10:35.07 | brokenicedove | petemc: do all of those thousands of volunteers have Phds in Computer Science and years of industrial experience? |
| 10:35.25 | ompaul | brokenicedove: you would be surprised at how many do |
| 10:35.35 | brokenicedove | ompaul: 10, and if setup correctly, that would take about 20 minutes. |
| 10:36.06 | brokenicedove | ompaul: the 20 minutes is much higher than actually needed. |
| 10:36.10 | ompaul | brokenicedove: I challenge you to build libre office from source see you in 12 hours |
| 10:36.30 | brokenicedove | ompaul: I know it currently takes long. |
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| 10:36.36 | petemc | brokenicedove: you can submit patches via the bug tracking system |
| 10:36.37 | raboof | brokenicedove: do you think debian should offer the 'latest svn' of software, or the latest released version? |
| 10:36.59 | ompaul | raboof: it's answer is already invalid |
| 10:36.59 | brokenicedove | ompaul: builds with only a few changes should go much faster. |
| 10:37.11 | raboof | ompaul: i'm sorry? |
| 10:37.12 | brokenicedove | ompaul: if they don't, the build system is broken. |
| 10:37.28 | brokenicedove | ompaul: even Google doesn't manage to create good build systems. |
| 10:37.34 | brokenicedove | ompaul: they use Ninja for Chromium. |
| 10:37.50 | brokenicedove | ompaul: so, it's not much of a surprise to me that some people do even worse. |
| 10:37.55 | ompaul | raboof: I'm saying you are being trolled |
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| 10:38.01 | brokenicedove | ompaul: but hey, you are the experts here. |
| 10:38.24 | raboof | ompaul: oh, yeah. :) |
| 10:38.44 | raboof | brokenicedove: of course you do much better yourself? |
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| 10:38.57 | brokenicedove | raboof: yes, as a matter of fact I do. |
| 10:39.06 | raboof | brokenicedove: what software do you maintain? |
| 10:39.12 | brokenicedove | raboof: my rebuilds take in the order of 200 ms. |
| 10:39.20 | brokenicedove | raboof: for very large source trees. |
| 10:40.13 | brokenicedove | raboof: proprietary software |
| 10:40.16 | klys | hey, icedove-lenny seems to do okay |
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| 10:44.07 | raboof | brokenicedove: why do you choose to use icedove when its quality is not up to your standards? |
| 10:44.23 | lakeboredom | Guys, what are the major difference between Ubuntu and Debian for an everyday desktop user? |
| 10:44.38 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 10:44.56 | brokenicedove | raboof: because I don't know of anything else which works on stable. |
| 10:45.04 | brokenicedove | raboof: Evolution is broken too. |
| 10:45.05 | klys | I hear ubuntu has gcc for arm built, so there are a few gimmes |
| 10:45.37 | brokenicedove | raboof: and switching email client every day is something I would want to avoid (especially since this machine isn't my machine). |
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| 10:47.01 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: i've just installed *rkhunter* . it gives a warning on /usr/bin/unhide.rb [ *Warning* ] |
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| 10:48.02 | raboof | lakeboredom: i found ubuntu quite well-polished, but found the 'internals' (even fairly 'superficial' ones) seemed to be less well-documented |
| 10:48.34 | BobSkeleton | chaps - when using 'sed', I am sure in the past I have done a replace using the contents of a text file, but I cannot remember the syntax - can anyone shed some light on this one please? |
| 10:48.41 | raboof | lakeboredom: so as long as you stuck to the defaults it worked well, but eventually i went back to Debian because it was easier to mix and match other software instead of the defaults. |
| 10:48.52 | Pancho_Villa | and it skipped the step "Checking for hidden ports" |
| 10:48.55 | Pancho_Villa | o.O |
| 10:48.55 | raboof | lakeboredom: this was a few years back and just my personal experience though, so not sure how helpful that is :) |
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| 10:49.58 | klys | cat word | sed -e 's/the/teh/' > out |
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| 10:50.03 | petemc | BobSkeleton: sed -i |
| 10:50.38 | jelly-home | ,file usr/bin/unhide.rb |
| 10:50.46 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 10:51.26 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: you can try tofigure out where does that file come from |
| 10:51.38 | BobSkeleton | klys - thanks, thats got it (petemc, thx also) |
| 10:51.50 | brokenicedove | raboof: This shows several people with the same claims: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1655737 |
| 10:52.03 | brokenicedove | raboof: i.e. all email clients on Linux suck. |
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| 10:52.56 | klys | then I am happy with lenny icedove and wouldn't change it if I had win32 |
| 10:53.46 | raboof | brokenicedove: all software sucks, period :) |
| 10:54.04 | gunkaaa | brokenicedove: don't have you have something better to do than complain on the internet about free software? |
| 10:54.21 | brokenicedove | gunkaaa: I am waiting for my machine to obey my commands. |
| 10:54.46 | brokenicedove | gunkaaa: build a machine 10000 times faster and there is 100 times less IRC. |
| 10:55.36 | brokenicedove | raboof: there exists non-trivial software which doesn't suck. \ |
| 10:55.41 | raboof | brokenicedove: you mentioned the specific bug you're running into is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535070 and it's been fixed in thunderbird, but that bug isn't closed yet - what's up with that? |
| 10:55.48 | jelly-home | brokenicedove: all email client suck, period, some just suck less |
| 10:56.07 | brokenicedove | jelly-home: do you happen to know which one sucks the least? |
| 10:56.12 | jelly-home | heh |
| 10:56.30 | jelly-home | you don't want my opinion, I'm still using mutt |
| 10:56.47 | raboof | brokenicedove: depends on your requirements... i use icedove and mutt, and been fairly happy with it |
| 10:57.12 | jelly-home | https://github.com/karelzak/mutt-kz/ might be nice |
| 10:57.15 | raboof | don't remember ever failing to send a 5MB file (apart from the server denying it), though |
| 10:57.27 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: that file is a program like rkhunter and chkrootkit, it checks to find out if there're hidden processes |
| 10:57.46 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: who put it in /usr/bin? |
| 10:57.57 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: jelly-home /usr/bin/unhide.rb: Ruby script, ASCII text |
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| 10:58.08 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: dpkg -S /usr/bin/unhide.rb |
| 10:58.37 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: i dont know, maybe it was installed as a dependency of rkhunter or chkrootkit.. |
| 10:58.56 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: unhide.rb: /usr/bin/unhide.rb |
| 10:59.00 | ompaul | sadly my colleagues send each other 25 - 30 meg files |
| 10:59.07 | ompaul | via email |
| 10:59.42 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: /usr/bin should only contain packaged files, if it's not packaged it ought to go under /usr/local (eg. executables -> /usr/local/bin) |
| 10:59.58 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:00.02 | jelly-home | ,versions unhide.rb |
| 11:00.04 | judd | Package: unhide.rb on i386 -- sid: 13-1; wheezy: 13-1 |
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| 11:03.05 | klys | :) |
| 11:04.10 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: it *is* packaged: p unhide - Forensic tool to find hidden processes and ports |
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| 11:04.25 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: and "i A unhide.rb - Forensic tool to find processes hidden by rootkits" |
| 11:04.47 | Pancho_Villa | unhide is not installed, but unhide.rb is. |
| 11:05.04 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: wheezy |
| 11:05.25 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: why 'sadly' ? |
| 11:05.38 | jelly-home | btw wheezy won't have security updates until it's released |
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| 11:05.48 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: mail server disk space chewing problems |
| 11:06.08 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: you get that 30 times a day and you are having fun :) |
| 11:06.10 | jelly-home | ompaul: disk space is cheap! |
| 11:06.26 | jelly-home | hides |
| 11:07.00 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: wheezy *doesnt* need security updates because it's testing. So it get updates directly via package updates. (packages changes version faster than with squeeze) |
| 11:07.03 | ompaul | jelly-home: yeah but in September we create the new mail server it will be big and evil :) |
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| 11:07.37 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: isnt there a sort of per user quota? |
| 11:07.39 | jelly-home | ompaul: will it also have partial deduplication like Exchange does |
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| 11:08.22 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: somewhere close to infinity :) |
| 11:08.39 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: ah, lol XD |
| 11:08.41 | ompaul | jelly-home: postfix only thank you |
| 11:09.03 | ompaul | jelly-home: exchange can do anything it wants but not on my network |
| 11:09.27 | ompaul | to whit I got a phone call from a solicitors office asking why my server did not return a recalled email }:-> |
| 11:09.49 | Pancho_Villa | is it possible for me to manually specify a repository link during debian netinstall? so that i can use a link i want to do the installation? |
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| 11:10.17 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: spoof the thing using a proxy? |
| 11:10.21 | jelly-home | ompaul: postfix is only for handoff, mail storage is a whole different pair of shoes |
| 11:10.39 | jelly-home | ompaul: in fact I do have exchange behind postfix |
| 11:11.20 | klys | as I recall, the netinstall is only a root filesystem image. those are usually mount -o loop -t minix |
| 11:11.21 | jelly-home | (hopefully noone sane puts exchange' port 25 directly on the interwebs) |
| 11:11.24 | ompaul | jelly-home: well yah so my setup is dovecot for user interaction and maildir |
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| 11:11.49 | ompaul | jelly-home: they do but you know what only as a relay to their upstream postfix provider |
| 11:12.09 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: no, instead of the usual string in /etc/sources.list i need to be able to put a string like "deb http://anothersource.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free contrib" |
| 11:12.31 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: problem is that the source is not in the mirror list |
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| 11:12.52 | Pancho_Villa | klys: so what? |
| 11:13.06 | klys | do I need to patch one for you? |
| 11:13.23 | Pancho_Villa | klys: patch? why? |
| 11:13.24 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: so you tell the box that ftp.debian.foo is 192.168.1.2 in the hosts file and don't connect to the internet |
| 11:13.56 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: ^^ dirty hack |
| 11:14.17 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: the repository i'm going to use *is* on the Internet. In fact it is "deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120710T032858Z/ testing main non-free contrib" |
| 11:14.43 | jelly-home | ompaul: well I hear some of dovecot storage options have dedup for attachments these days |
| 11:15.37 | klys | alright, which netinstall system are you driving? |
| 11:16.05 | Pancho_Villa | klys: card, (the smallest cd) version amd64 |
| 11:16.12 | ompaul | jelly-home: I'll look at that in the next install thanks for the heads up |
| 11:16.49 | Pancho_Villa | klys: debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso |
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| 11:17.36 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: that will be a mismatch between the netinstall and the repo |
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| 11:18.15 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: you could *try* the daily build of the netinstall cd |
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| 11:18.35 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: why? the repo is from debian.org. It is only a copy of the repo of the day "10 July 2012". Why cant it work? |
| 11:18.40 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: however the suggested way to get to testing or unstable is install stable and do it from there |
| 11:19.17 | chrisirc | Hello. I'm thinking of creating a bootable backup on an external usb disk; to make it bootable, which bootloader would you recommend? So that the bootloader will find the correct usb disk for the kernel/initrd image. |
| 11:19.29 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: the base system is on the netisntall cd i.e. kernel and that you can actually install a really small system from the disk and reboot not connected to the internet (painful but possible0 |
| 11:19.39 | ompaul | s/0/\)/ |
| 11:19.40 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: the *daily* build doesnt change things. i need to install an old version of debian (the verion of 10 July, so i can have kernel 3.2.0-2-amd64 and the old nvidia driver installed. |
| 11:19.55 | ompaul | ahhhhhhh |
| 11:20.05 | ompaul | goes to check something |
| 11:20.31 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: look at snapshot.debian.org. It explain it well and simple. |
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| 11:21.05 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: I suppose 3.2.4 is no use? |
| 11:21.37 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: problem is: i dont know if it is to be used only on an already installed system or if i can use it already during the install. |
| 11:22.15 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: no, i need 3.2.0-2 and i think that a normal installation will not be ok :( so i need to use that custom repository. |
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| 11:22.40 | Pancho_Villa | (and also i need an *older* nvidia driver) |
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| 11:23.06 | Pancho_Villa | problem is: my pc crash if i use 3.2.0-3 + last version of nvidia driver |
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| 11:23.39 | nkuttler | Pancho_Villa: so don't use it? |
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| 11:23.54 | Pancho_Villa | nkuttler: dont use it what? |
| 11:24.07 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: don't use nvidia driver would be my take on it also |
| 11:24.24 | ompaul | use the generic driver for nvidia |
| 11:24.37 | Pancho_Villa | why not using the *previous* version of nvidia driver? :) |
| 11:24.50 | nkuttler | Pancho_Villa: either the driver or the broken combination |
| 11:25.03 | Pancho_Villa | (and the previous version of the kernel [3.2.0-2] as well, of course! ) |
| 11:25.59 | ompaul | because it is a binary blob and will prevent you upgrading and you won't really be running debian out of the box so any attempt to resolve issues here or on oftc will be met with "dist-upgrade and drop the binary blob" |
| 11:26.20 | Pancho_Villa | nkuttler: 3.2.0-3 crashes also without the driver. the other problem is that the driver doesnt work (16fps only on a game when it usually get to 90 or 100 fps with the older driver) |
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| 11:27.19 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: nouveau doesnt work on my ps (i have the shitty nvidia *optimus* ) |
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| 11:27.45 | Pancho_Villa | *pc |
| 11:28.03 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: so there is no point in you installing squeeze and then dist-upgrading to that specific date? |
| 11:29.00 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 11:29.01 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 11:29.16 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: hmmm, i 've read many times here that upgrading from squeeze to wheezy is not a good idea and that a simple reinstallation works better to switch to wheezy |
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| 11:31.04 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: so how does it works? i install squeeze and replace the repositories with the one of snapshot.debian.org and then run "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" from the console ? is that right ? |
| 11:31.05 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: you have a strange requirement which doesn't seem to be possible to deal with any other way - btw - what you are attempting to do while possible will make a machine that parts of don't work because your crazy card is standing between you and sanity so don't expect people to help you with my $foo application is broken but the one from the 12th July works problems |
| 11:31.29 | ompaul | dpkg tell Pancho_Villa about squeeze -> wheezy |
| 11:31.49 | ompaul | dpkg tell Pancho_Villa about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:32.03 | ompaul | bot is a syntax bofh! |
| 11:32.24 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: look at that message from the bot - adopt for your own personal needs |
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| 11:34.05 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: hey calm! it's a legit thing. Many people (also people using plain nvidia [aka *not* optimus] ) have this problem and are trying to keep old drivers instead of installing the new one. One way was "aptitude hold " for nivida-packages. |
| 11:34.20 | klys | Pancho_Villa: MKISOFS_OPTS="-z -R -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o $VAR/cdimage" |
| 11:34.44 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: you asked for something - I got you a solution and you want me to be calm - I'm outta here |
| 11:34.51 | klys | if you have isolinux then you can run it |
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| 11:35.25 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: yes, the bot described *exactly* what i said about that. |
| 11:35.42 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: LOL |
| 11:36.17 | ompaul | Pancho_Villa: you obviously did not look at the instructions for wheezy as the bot told you to and then adopted the repo you wanted |
| 11:36.56 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: <ompaul> "[...] so don't expect people to help you[...]" <--- doesnt seem to be "calm" . Seems angry (with *no* reasons, IMHO ) |
| 11:37.17 | boudiccas | Pancho_Villa: stop trolling |
| 11:37.22 | ompaul | be humble in your opinion |
| 11:37.38 | Pancho_Villa | boudiccas: stop trolling |
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| 11:38.23 | streuner__ | searches for popcorn... |
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| 11:39.48 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 11:40.55 | Bartzy | I'm using a mdadm raid1 array for /boot (4 drives), and a raid10 array for the root partition (/). I can boot successfully only with rootdelay=X (I tried 60 and it works). Otherwise I get an error that the raid is not ready or something, and it can't find the LVM LVs.... Any idea on how to solve this intelligently and not by just delaying the boot? |
| 11:41.13 | Pancho_Villa | ompaul: my opinions are the same of dpkg bot. btw thanks for your help. I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. |
| 11:41.16 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: 295.40, if you can find it someplace, ought to work with current Xorg but feel different from 302.17 |
| 11:41.42 | klys | bartzy: compile linux |
| 11:41.50 | Bartzy | klys: What ? |
| 11:42.03 | klys | bartzy: compile it all into the kernel |
| 11:42.04 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: oh 295.49 is out |
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| 11:44.21 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: thanks but maybe it's too old. i think i'll stick using the one of the snapshot repo. i'll install wheezy modifying the sources.list file manually, during the installation. then i'll hold the packages (kernel and nvidia blob) and i'll restore the normal repos in sources.list . So then i'll be able to do "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" . |
| 11:45.55 | jelly-home | Pancho_Villa: good luck |
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| 11:53.49 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 11:55.46 | Pancho_Villa | jelly-home: what do you mean with "is out" ? there is no nvidia driver < 302.17 in the updated package list. so 295.* are out (gone) |
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| 12:03.55 | proby | hi , is there any text mode pdf reader? |
| 12:05.25 | nsadmin | depends on what you want done after reading |
| 12:05.31 | ksuhku | proby, yes there are, can't remember names |
| 12:05.38 | jelly-home | proby: poppler-utils: /usr/bin/pdftotext |
| 12:05.42 | proby | me too :) |
| 12:06.58 | proby | nsadmin i want to read a pdf file |
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| 12:07.04 | proby | on terminal |
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| 12:20.51 | engla | proby: fbi package |
| 12:21.16 | proby | ok |
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| 12:22.51 | LRN | mdadm hangs up during Debian installation when it scans partitions. Is there a way to disable it? I don't think i need RAID support on a laptop at install time... |
| 12:23.43 | LRN | Would choosing a different partitioner (i think expert installer offers at least two alternatives) help? |
| 12:26.17 | abrotman | sounds reasonable |
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| 12:40.53 | kresp0_ | anyone knows why the debian bugs tracking system post the email addresses in plaintext? I'm receiving spam to an address that I've only used for this :( |
| 12:41.23 | kresp0_ | I guess that anyone else here also is receiving spam too: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgindex.cgi?indexon=pkg |
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| 12:42.04 | doomster | hi! |
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| 12:42.38 | engla | kresp0_: it's expected unfortunately. I think reportbug mentions this on first use |
| 12:42.45 | abrotman | kresp0_: some people create a special address just for using the BTS |
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| 12:43.29 | kresp0_ | thanks engla. abrotman: yes, I already do that. Thank you |
| 12:44.35 | kresp0_ | engla: but I can't understand why is expected when there're some solutions that can prevent that. |
| 12:44.51 | doomster | I have a problem, just wanted to ask if it sounds familiar to anyone. I want to make a backup of my /home onto a LUKS-encrypted ext4 USB flashdrive, but rsyncing fails after some time with IO errors. |
| 12:45.09 | abrotman | kresp0_: solutions? The BTS is a custom setup |
| 12:45.13 | doomster | This trashes the whole ext filesystem and the LUKS container beyond repair, it seems. |
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| 12:47.48 | kresp0_ | How should I report a bug about the BTS itself? |
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| 12:48.24 | abrotman | i'm sure it's already been filed .. |
| 12:48.55 | doomster | isn't there a pseudo-package for the BTS itself? |
| 12:48.56 | kresp0_ | thank you abrotman, I'm searching |
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| 12:49.07 | kresp0_ | yes doomster, there is, just found it |
| 12:49.13 | abrotman | doomster: yes |
| 12:49.24 | doomster | ...and the name is..? |
| 12:49.55 | engla | doomster: reportbug other, then there's a list |
| 12:50.05 | abrotman | kresp0_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=63995 |
| 12:50.12 | ictxiangxin | hello, I want to learn network technique |
| 12:50.13 | abrotman | that's an ancient bug |
| 12:50.55 | ictxiangxin | how to choose book? |
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| 12:51.09 | abrotman | ictxiangxin: there is a #networking on freenode |
| 12:51.32 | ictxiangxin | ok, thanks |
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| 12:51.58 | _ramok | hi |
| 12:52.15 | _ramok | which file do i have to remove if my eth0 is not starting? there was any file i have to delete |
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| 12:52.33 | `[-_-]` | hi |
| 12:52.38 | abrotman | why doesn't it start ? |
| 12:52.46 | LRN | no, having parted didn't help. Debian installer still runs mdadm |
| 12:52.54 | `[-_-]` | free bnc ? |
| 12:52.56 | abrotman | you tried using expert mode ? |
| 12:53.02 | `[-_-]` | :} |
| 12:53.03 | abrotman | `[-_-]`: wrong channel |
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| 12:53.10 | `[-_-]` | ? |
| 12:53.13 | kresp0_ | abrotman: yes thank you, i'm reading that |
| 12:53.15 | `[-_-]` | no english :D |
| 12:53.18 | abrotman | `[-_-]`: do you even know what Debian is ? |
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| 12:53.28 | `[-_-]` | chenel free shells ? |
| 12:53.31 | `[-_-]` | :) |
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| 12:53.36 | `[-_-]` | eggdrop bnz bnc |
| 12:53.58 | burek | hi, I upgraded my debian testing and now ctrl+pgup/pgdn does not work in terminal emulator (switching windows) |
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| 12:54.19 | abrotman | _ramok: look in dmesg and see what it's not starting |
| 12:54.22 | _ramok | abrotman: i copied the virtual machine from an existant, and just changed the ip |
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| 12:54.31 | _ramok | but i guess i need to delete some mac related files |
| 12:54.32 | abrotman | !tell _ramok about 70 |
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| 12:54.55 | abrotman | burek: sometihng is intercepting it ? |
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| 12:56.40 | burek | abrotman, like what? |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | burek: your window manager? |
| 12:57.11 | burek | why does it do that? |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | i'm asking you what's using it |
| 12:57.26 | burek | i'm asking you :D |
| 12:57.29 | burek | it didnt do it before the update |
| 12:57.34 | abrotman | you didn't give us any details |
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| 12:57.50 | burek | well, here are the details.. it worked before the apt-get distupgrade |
| 12:57.53 | burek | now it doesnt |
| 12:58.02 | abrotman | those are not details |
| 12:58.04 | burek | it just shows in terminal some weird chars when i press ctrl+pgup |
| 12:58.20 | burek | it shows "5~" |
| 12:58.21 | _ramok | thanks abrotman |
| 12:58.26 | _ramok | i've deleted the 70-... file |
| 12:58.29 | _ramok | and restarted the machine |
| 12:58.31 | _ramok | now it works |
| 12:58.37 | burek | instead of switching tabs |
| 12:59.21 | abrotman | burek: you still haven't given us details |
| 12:59.29 | burek | anyway, I said terminal emulator, now I see in help windows it's "Konsole" |
| 12:59.33 | burek | what details do you need? |
| 12:59.49 | abrotman | Konsole is a good start .. maybe which version of Linux ? |
| 12:59.55 | burek | debian? |
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| 13:00.01 | burek | latest "testing" |
| 13:00.13 | cusco | _ramok: I think instead of deleting the file, you should rather edit it, when you install a new NCI |
| 13:00.16 | cusco | NIC |
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| 13:00.25 | doomster | burek: the fact that you're running KDE would have been interesting |
| 13:00.39 | burek | doomster, why is that |
| 13:00.48 | abrotman | because i use gnome, and don't have that problem |
| 13:01.00 | burek | so, your solution is "don't use KDE" ? :D |
| 13:01.02 | burek | nice one :) |
| 13:01.13 | doomster | burek: there are dozens of window managers in debian, just as there are dozens of terminal emulators. |
| 13:01.50 | burek | so what? |
| 13:02.21 | doomster | burek: without knowing which programs you're using, it's impossible to tell what could be wrong. Those are the details required. |
| 13:02.21 | burek | it's pretty ridiculous to advise me to change my kde to some <insert here> window manager, just because shortcut stopped working.. lol |
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| 13:02.34 | _ramok | cusco: ah okay |
| 13:02.41 | nkuttler | burek: nah, that's always good advice :P |
| 13:02.43 | burek | doomster, "Konsole" |
| 13:02.49 | burek | :) |
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| 13:02.55 | abrotman | uhm ... i didn't advise you to change your WM |
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| 13:03.08 | doomster | for your info, if I press control-up here, it does the same as for you, so I guess the keybinding was deleted/removed ... could be a bug or intention. |
| 13:03.28 | burek | that's also very nice :) |
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| 13:03.37 | abrotman | tried ctrl-shift-pgup ? |
| 13:03.38 | doomster | and I'm using an xterm under fluxbox |
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| 13:03.43 | burek | maintainers telling users what they actually need and like :D |
| 13:03.46 | burek | geez.. |
| 13:03.52 | abrotman | doomster: xterm does tabs ? |
| 13:04.00 | doomster | no |
| 13:04.01 | slikts | hi, I've installed apache2 but I don't want it to run at startup, how do I prevent that? |
| 13:04.02 | burek | debian used to be pretty cool distro before |
| 13:04.07 | abrotman | slikts: update-rc.d |
| 13:04.10 | slikts | k |
| 13:04.29 | doomster | abrotman: xterm gives me a 5~ if I control-pgup there |
| 13:04.37 | burek | doomster, it just scrolls up/down the window with shift+ctrl+pgup/dn |
| 13:04.54 | abrotman | doomster: because it doesn't have tabs .. |
| 13:05.00 | slikts | abrotman: so it would be like update-rc.d apache2 remove, right? |
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| 13:05.08 | abrotman | doomster: he's trying to cycle through tabs in his Konsole window |
| 13:05.09 | kresp0_ | just for the record: All the mail that arrives at debian-bugs@flanera.net is going to fly to /dev/null |
| 13:05.37 | abrotman | kresp0_: that's a wee bit silly .. what if the maintainer wants to ask you a quesiton ? |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | slikts: if that's what the man page says |
| 13:06.42 | doomster | abrotman: I didn't figure that from what he or she said, but if you say so... |
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| 13:07.11 | burek | "<abrotman> doomster: he's trying to cycle through tabs in his Konsole window" - correct |
| 13:07.18 | kresp0_ | abrotman: I've give each site a different address for this simple reason: I dont like spam. That address was harvested and now every day I've spam until I redirect to /dev/null |
| 13:07.19 | burek | this worked before the dist-upgrade |
| 13:07.25 | burek | with simple ctrl+pgup/pgdn |
| 13:07.35 | abrotman | burek: so look at what you upgraded, then check teh BTS |
| 13:07.46 | kresp0_ | yes doomster, you can figure that. I'm sorry. |
| 13:07.46 | burek | man.. it was 400 MB of upgrades.. |
| 13:07.46 | abrotman | burek: you're sure your system is up to date? |
| 13:07.52 | abrotman | fully |
| 13:07.58 | burek | abrotman, how can i check it |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | kresp0_: you missed my point |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | burek: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 13:08.26 | burek | abrotman, is it the same as apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:08.34 | abrotman | you tell me |
| 13:08.45 | burek | well I never used aptitude, so how can I tell? |
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| 13:08.58 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 13:09.06 | burek | no :) |
| 13:09.13 | abrotman | okay, good luck with your problem |
| 13:09.14 | burek | that could just break things |
| 13:09.37 | burek | never mind |
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| 13:09.43 | burek | thanks for the help |
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| 13:10.46 | kresp0_ | abrotman: The maintainer can't contact me, sorry about that. |
| 13:12.57 | kresp0_ | I doubt I'll use the debian BTS again for this reason (cleartext email -> emails harvested -> emails spammed -> emails redirected to /dev/null) |
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| 13:13.49 | kresp0_ | I guess that I'm not the only one that will not report any more bugs to debian BTS for this reason |
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| 13:15.06 | doomster | kresp0_: I've resignated to spam and installed a filter years ago. |
| 13:15.47 | doomster | I personally find the Debian BTS the best in the world because I exactly don't have to sign up to yet another BTS. |
| 13:16.31 | kresp0_ | doomster: I'm on war with spammers. I don't trust automated filters |
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| 13:16.49 | abrotman | kresp0_: that's a shame, but it may mean your bug won't be fixed |
| 13:17.14 | kresp0_ | doomster: yes, you don't have to sign up but at what cost? Losing one legitimate email is not acceptable for me. |
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| 13:17.28 | greg | ciao |
| 13:17.38 | kresp0_ | abrotman: the bug is already fixed :) |
| 13:17.40 | greg | !list |
| 13:17.40 | dpkg | greg: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | kresp0_: i mean in the future |
| 13:18.39 | kresp0_ | in the future i doubt i'll be using debian BTS again. At least until bug 63995 is fixed. |
| 13:19.34 | doomster | kresp0_: why not use a throwaway address just for that? |
| 13:19.37 | kresp0_ | 12 years old bug. How many human hours lost because of that wontfix :_| |
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| 13:20.06 | kresp0_ | doomster: I already used a throwaway address. I've one for each internet site I've signed up |
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| 13:20.23 | abrotman | don't see the problem then |
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| 13:21.37 | nkuttler | i get maybe 3, 4 spam mails per week, and my various addresses are everywhere on web. thanks spamassassin |
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| 13:22.21 | kresp0_ | abrotman, the problem is: any address I give to debian BTS will be spammed in less than 24 hours. I'll be redirecting to /dev/null... |
| 13:22.25 | abrotman | nkuttler: he's worried about false positives |
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| 13:22.50 | abrotman | kresp0_: dunno, i have an email address on there, but i don' tthink i get much spam from it |
| 13:23.01 | kresp0_ | nkuttler: I receive 0 spam per month, without filters. |
| 13:23.01 | nkuttler | i maybe get 10-20 mails in the "not sure if spam" mailbox per *month* |
| 13:23.16 | nkuttler | kresp0_: but you have to be paranoid about using the bts.. |
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| 13:23.27 | kresp0_ | paranoid? |
| 13:23.46 | nkuttler | anyway, was there a support question? |
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| 13:23.51 | doomster | isn't redirecting BTS traffic to /dev/null the same as losing legitimate mail? |
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| 13:24.07 | kresp0_ | all addresses on the debian BTS are being spammed because of this. Since 12 years ago |
| 13:24.26 | abrotman | unless they're no longer legitimate addresses :) |
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| 13:24.41 | abrotman | but i let the free webmail hoster take care of the spam ... |
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| 13:24.49 | doomster | so fucking what? install a filter or volunteer to creating a better design and implementation. |
| 13:24.50 | kresp0_ | doomster, I dont know how remove that address from BTS or if is possible at all |
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| 13:25.19 | abrotman | it's not possible |
| 13:25.22 | doomster | kresp0_: you will have to talk to the BTS maintainers to get the history wiped form it. |
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| 13:25.49 | stew | kresp0_: the bts does not spam people |
| 13:26.04 | tremon | how do I view the multiarch status (tag) of a package? I thought that apt-cache showsrc would show it but I can't find it |
| 13:26.06 | abrotman | stew: he's saying as a result of having your email public like that |
| 13:26.24 | tremon | (I mean the m-a: foreign|any|native tag) |
| 13:26.34 | kresp0_ | stew: but they publish the address on cleartext and the spammers get all the emails everyday |
| 13:26.42 | stew | kresp0_: yes |
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| 13:27.02 | nkuttler | only a stupid spammer would harvest open source email addresses. those linux commies won't ever buy anything anyway |
| 13:27.38 | stew | i'm not sure I understand the point of an email address that nobody knows, as its essential for sending email to that person |
| 13:28.08 | kresp0_ | I dont want to do the same as Sascha Silbe: http://pastebin.com/s1eQkegk |
| 13:29.03 | stew | that 12 year old bug makes me believe even more that the current system is good |
| 13:29.08 | kresp0_ | stew: the point is to have a different email address for each site. That way, when a spam comes I know who gives my email and sometimes fix that. |
| 13:29.11 | stew | the people trying to be anonymous are actually sending spam to the bts |
| 13:29.18 | stew | and are being generally unpleasant |
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| 13:30.05 | kresp0_ | trying to be anonymous? you didnt really understand my position |
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| 13:30.30 | stew | i do understand your position |
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| 13:31.02 | shojo | you could uncheck the "i want to rceive news and blah" box when signing in? |
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| 13:31.20 | burek | now there is no main menu in dolphin too :) |
| 13:31.25 | burek | wtf is all that about? |
| 13:31.29 | shojo | and there's pretty much a link at the bottom of every spam email |
| 13:31.46 | abrotman | burek: did you ensure your system is fully up to date yet? |
| 13:31.53 | burek | why does it have to hurt so much when doing upgrades |
| 13:31.58 | shojo | that says unsubscribe... it's annoying but fuck it, beats haveing different email addresses for every site! |
| 13:32.00 | burek | it makes not want to update ever again |
| 13:32.14 | shojo | oops! wrong site |
| 13:32.16 | burek | why can't you just introduce new things without breaking old ones |
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| 13:32.30 | burek | abrotman, yes it is |
| 13:32.35 | shojo | i mean channel, sorry! |
| 13:33.04 | winsen | Hi all |
| 13:33.08 | abrotman | burek: have you tried creating a new user, and testing to ensure it's not just your settings? |
| 13:33.27 | burek | I didn't touch anything |
| 13:33.30 | kresp0_ | shojo: that unsubscribe link sent from a spammer: I dont trust them xD |
| 13:33.30 | burek | I just did dist-upgrade |
| 13:33.34 | ompaul | burek: are you using testing |
| 13:33.40 | burek | yes |
| 13:34.01 | shojo | lol...so report the whole site as spam |
| 13:34.05 | ompaul | burek: do another apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and if that is it ... |
| 13:34.14 | abrotman | burek: that didn't answer my question .. |
| 13:34.19 | burek | what do you mean another? |
| 13:34.23 | ompaul | burek: you are using testing, as it's name implies it may not be right |
| 13:34.25 | burek | I just rebooted machine after the upgrade |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | ... |
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| 13:34.48 | ompaul | burek: do one given you did one and try for more |
| 13:34.56 | kresp0_ | shojo: also I din't have to create a new address for each site, only have to give the address and I'll receive all that mail in my inbox. |
| 13:35.04 | burek | ok, let me try :) |
| 13:35.07 | kresp0_ | anything@mydomain.com is going to my inbox |
| 13:35.08 | burek | and I thought Windows was lame.. :) |
| 13:35.16 | abrotman | burek: so when i asked you if you were sure .. you lied ? |
| 13:35.34 | burek | abrotman, don't act like an insulted kid please |
| 13:35.50 | burek | I'm just saying the upgrade broke some things |
| 13:35.50 | abrotman | you are ... |
| 13:35.50 | ompaul | burek: and then set up that new user as abrotman told you to, it's useful to test settings - your computer is yours not mine |
| 13:35.55 | burek | looking at what it broke, I can only imagine what else is broken too |
| 13:36.06 | ompaul | burek: do the d-u and then we can talk |
| 13:36.13 | abrotman | you're refusing to do things we ask you to .. |
| 13:36.14 | burek | I did |
| 13:36.24 | burek | The following packages will be upgraded: libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap |
| 13:36.25 | ompaul | burek: did you do it again? |
| 13:36.27 | burek | yes |
| 13:36.31 | burek | just those 4 |
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| 13:36.42 | ompaul | and again |
| 13:36.45 | burek | 3* |
| 13:37.01 | ompaul | burek: do it again until it stops |
| 13:37.05 | abrotman | did you `aptitude install xorg kde-full` ? |
| 13:37.12 | burek | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:37.21 | ompaul | now do what abrotman says |
| 13:37.22 | burek | I think it stopped |
| 13:37.30 | burek | create new user and stuff? |
| 13:37.37 | ompaul | the package first |
| 13:37.45 | ompaul | then create your new user |
| 13:38.27 | burek | all that just to revert my old shortcut? :) |
| 13:38.33 | burek | which wasn't even mine |
| 13:38.36 | burek | but default :) |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | insulted kid ... |
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| 13:38.48 | burek | no, this is just absurd :) |
| 13:38.48 | ompaul | is insulted |
| 13:39.00 | burek | like, install an airplane to see if it will fix your watch |
| 13:39.04 | doomster | since when have you been using testing? |
| 13:39.14 | burek | blah.. |
| 13:39.15 | LRN | Tried with live 6.0.4 DVD - it didn't hang. So something must be wrong with current testing |
| 13:39.21 | burek | should have stayed with windows :) |
| 13:39.30 | abrotman | what's stopping you? |
| 13:39.31 | ompaul | burek: absurd is the idea that we know what your personal settings, absurd is the idea that testing is stable, and maybe you should |
| 13:39.34 | burek | it is lame but at least you don't get these kinds of things with every update |
| 13:39.35 | burek | :) |
| 13:39.39 | andermetal | hi, is radeon 7500 supported in Debian testing with the free driver? |
| 13:39.54 | abrotman | andermetal: certainly sohuld be .. that's an old card |
| 13:39.58 | burek | abrotman, you might just be right :) |
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| 13:40.06 | ompaul | burek: using testing is using testing it's name implies NOT finished |
| 13:40.14 | burek | ok |
| 13:40.30 | andermetal | abrotman: but I can't get any gl rendering |
| 13:40.54 | LRN | abrotman, he probably means Radeon HD7500 |
| 13:40.59 | ompaul | LRN: that's stable |
| 13:41.16 | ompaul | LRN: and it is not up to date the latest is .5 |
| 13:41.16 | abrotman | then he should say that! |
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| 13:41.32 | abrotman | andermetal: look at the man page .. it shuld tell you |
| 13:41.36 | andermetal | LRN: yes, sorry. |
| 13:41.43 | LRN | ompaul, as long as it installs - i'm happy. I can always put sid repos into it and do dist-upgrade |
| 13:42.16 | ompaul | LRN: if that is what you want be aware that you only have sid and sid sources no other stuff in there |
| 13:42.41 | ompaul | LRN: being aware that unstable is unstable (aka sid) |
| 13:42.51 | LRN | ompaul, and? |
| 13:42.56 | abrotman | andermetal: doesn't look like it .. |
| 13:43.05 | ompaul | LRN: there are some people who might need to be told that ;-) I'm guessing you don't |
| 13:43.20 | LRN | I've been running a laptop on sid for two years, i think |
| 13:43.42 | andermetal | abrotman: and what if I look from debian experimental repos? |
| 13:43.50 | andermetal | *look on |
| 13:44.07 | abrotman | andermetal: i'd guess the versions are roughly the same |
| 13:44.11 | LRN | andermetal, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#Radeon_3D_Hardware - that might have some info |
| 13:44.20 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 13:44.21 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on i386 -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:6.14.4-5; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-5 |
| 13:44.30 | abrotman | yeah ... the same |
| 13:44.31 | LRN | It says "Kernel 3.4 required" |
| 13:44.47 | LRN | I'm not sure even experimental has 3.4 |
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| 13:45.08 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 13:45.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 13:46.30 | andermetal | sorry my bad: HD 7870 |
| 13:46.37 | andermetal | maybe it's badly detected |
| 13:47.15 | abrotman | andermetal: man radeon .. doesn't have that model |
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| 13:48.09 | andermetal | what if I install X.org from experimental? |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | it doesn't exist |
| 13:49.15 | tremon | andermetal: there is no useful open-source support for the HD7000 models afaik |
| 13:49.41 | tremon | http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature or try #ati |
| 13:49.51 | tremon | (or #radeon, I forget..) |
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| 13:51.17 | andermetal | tremon: thanks |
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| 14:02.35 | ayaka | how to find out why I can only enter failback mode in gnome3 |
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| 14:02.54 | steampunkey | does anyone know how to convert html to text, without having headlines surrounded by asterisks and other pretty things. i want to feed a text to speech reader, and i don't want it to tell me "asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk Title asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk." |
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| 14:03.36 | Calinou | ayaka, because you don't have proper video card drivers/your video card is too old |
| 14:03.48 | Calinou | try installing proprietary drivers? |
| 14:03.53 | abrotman | ayaka: Did it work before? |
| 14:03.54 | steampunkey | o.O |
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| 14:04.05 | abrotman | steampunkey: there's a program called html2text IIRC |
| 14:04.31 | steampunkey | abrotman: yes, it's the one reading asterisks etc. and i can't find a switch to suppress that |
| 14:04.41 | steampunkey | abrotman: *outputting |
| 14:04.41 | ayaka | abrotman, I don't know |
| 14:05.12 | abrotman | steampunkey: sed ? |
| 14:05.16 | ayaka | Calinou, not all |
| 14:05.18 | abrotman | ayaka: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 14:05.40 | steampunkey | abrotman: i was hoping there's an easier way... nvm then |
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| 14:05.51 | abrotman | steampunkey: did you see the -nobs ? |
| 14:05.52 | ayaka | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [Quadro FX 380] [10de:0658] (rev a1) |
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| 14:06.25 | abrotman | ayaka: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:07.02 | dimir | --no-bull-shit |
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| 14:08.01 | steampunkey | abrotman: i think that does something else. but with or without, extra chars are there. |
| 14:08.25 | ayaka | abrotman, I have installed no-free driver it works find in gnome2, it is dksm modules |
| 14:08.26 | steampunkey | *or nothing on Debian |
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| 14:08.49 | abrotman | ayaka: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
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| 14:09.40 | ayaka | direct rendering: Yes |
| 14:09.46 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:09.53 | abrotman | ayaka: so pehraps something else is wrong ? |
| 14:09.58 | jeffrin | can someone help me |
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| 14:10.06 | abrotman | you have to ask a question |
| 14:10.39 | ayaka | abramart, I want to know how to find out the wrong |
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| 14:10.59 | abrotman | look in your logs |
| 14:11.21 | jeffrin | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/gLX9ZHsQ is that code correct |
| 14:11.35 | ayaka | which log I shall read |
| 14:11.42 | abrotman | jeffrin: in what language? |
| 14:11.44 | project2501a | hihi. |
| 14:11.47 | jeffrin | abrotman : javascript |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | jeffrin: i've never used that type of syntax .. i'm sure there's a better channel to ask, maybe #web or #html |
| 14:12.24 | project2501a | Required-Start: $remote_fs $network <-- where do i read about these variables init.d scripts, please? |
| 14:12.34 | abrotman | ayaka: ls -a .. look for a log/error file |
| 14:12.41 | abrotman | !tell project2501a about lsb tags |
| 14:12.51 | jeffrin | oh |
| 14:12.56 | ayaka | abrotman, in /var/log/gdm3 ? |
| 14:13.07 | project2501a | abramart: thanks! |
| 14:13.10 | abrotman | ayaka: ls -a $HOME |
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| 14:14.23 | ayaka | abramart, but there are too many files, which files maybe |
| 14:14.52 | boudiccas | ayaka: you are talking abrotman, please get his nick right! |
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| 14:15.50 | ayaka | boudiccas, abrotmart sorry |
| 14:15.51 | ayaka | abrotman, , but there are too many files, which files maybe |
| 14:16.20 | abrotman | ayaka: look for a log/error file |
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| 14:16.42 | ayaka | abramart, but there is no such file |
| 14:16.50 | Bert_2 | Hi, is there a way to have a client try the next DNS server when it gets nxdomain ? |
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| 14:17.30 | ayaka | maybe I shall enable debug in config file? |
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| 14:19.12 | systemclient | I installed a couple packages that I made on my computer. How can I get a list with those locally installed packages that are not in any official distro? |
| 14:19.27 | ayaka | and gnome-shell --repace can work, but I can't see panel in the below side and not mutter in ps axu |
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| 14:22.12 | abrotman | why would it? |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | systemclient: /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 14:26.33 | ayaka | if not in failback mode , will you see mutter in ps aux? |
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| 14:27.28 | DelphiWorld | Hello |
| 14:27.30 | DelphiWorld | http://paste.debian.net/179176/ |
| 14:27.34 | DelphiWorld | i did a bonding setup |
| 14:27.38 | DelphiWorld | in 802.3AD mode |
| 14:27.47 | DelphiWorld | but i can't ping my OWN local ip ? |
| 14:27.49 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 14:27.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:27.49 | DelphiWorld | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:27.52 | DelphiWorld | pastebin http://paste.debian.net/179176/ |
| 14:28.11 | abrotman | you dn't want auto and allow-hotplug |
| 14:28.53 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: the example say that. |
| 14:28.57 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: what should i use |
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| 14:31.58 | doomster | is there any way to query the buffer state of filesystems and/or logical volume management? |
| 14:32.45 | doomster | I have the suspicion that if those get too full (due to a slow USB drive) things start going bad... |
| 14:33.32 | ayaka | abrotman, thank you all the same |
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| 14:35.57 | ayaka | I find out this gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support. |
| 14:36.45 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: should i use hotplug or auto ? |
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| 14:41.18 | richz | hi, i just downloaded a debian netinst, to install debian in a virtual machine. during the installation it gives me an error: "bad archive mirror". i have tried multiple mirrors, they all say the same. "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" |
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| 14:41.31 | obiwahn | is there a command to download a deb into the current folder? |
| 14:41.55 | boudiccas | obiwahn: wget? |
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| 14:42.27 | obiwahn | so i take the answer is no |
| 14:42.46 | abrotman | no |
| 14:42.54 | abrotman | or not that i'm aware of anyway |
| 14:42.55 | obiwahn | i dont wat to look in the package description to see where to find it in the pool |
| 14:43.06 | boudiccas | obiwahn: jan, just waiting 1 minute for an answer is hardly realistic! please be patient |
| 14:43.08 | stew | obiwahn: --print-uris will give you a url to the .deb |
| 14:43.28 | stew | obiwahn: you could download to the pwd by overriding the cache location on the command line and using --download-only |
| 14:44.05 | obiwahn | i'll try thator write s short script:) |
| 14:44.09 | obiwahn | thanks |
| 14:44.33 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: new http://paste.debian.net/179182/ |
| 14:44.35 | DelphiWorld | still no ping? |
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| 14:46.30 | obiwahn | apt-get download |
| 14:46.34 | obiwahn | is that new? |
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| 14:46.43 | obiwahn | just lookt through the man again |
| 14:46.57 | obiwahn | i can not remember to have seen that before:) |
| 14:47.52 | doomster | me neither, I just used to use ftp for that |
| 14:48.05 | stew | yeah, that must be new |
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| 14:54.06 | Calinou | n |
| 14:54.10 | DelphiWorld | i'm unable to ping my debian while using bonding with 802.3AD... what the hell |
| 14:55.11 | Guest51117 | kein bock freggy |
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| 15:07.32 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: is the switch configured correctly to match the bonding type in the linux side? |
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| 15:07.55 | DelphiWorld | jelly: yesimnathans, and i can outside and i see the traffic statistic |
| 15:08.22 | DelphiWorld | hold on jelly-home |
| 15:08.24 | jelly-home | the Tab key is a fickle beast |
| 15:08.32 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: LOL |
| 15:08.35 | DelphiWorld | hahaha |
| 15:08.39 | DelphiWorld | 5min jelly-home |
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| 15:09.05 | jelly-home | in 5 mins, jelly-home might be at jelly-seaside and away from the computah, but sure |
| 15:09.39 | jelly-home | it's just one thing to check and a thing that our networking people manage to forget often |
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| 15:11.15 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 15:11.18 | DelphiWorld | back jelly-home |
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| 15:11.41 | fvahid | pa |
| 15:11.49 | Calinou | ck |
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| 15:14.53 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld, hi |
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| 15:16.09 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: the surprise is that debian is bonded, about to go to the internet but unable to ping itself;-) |
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| 15:16.11 | DelphiWorld | =P |
| 15:16.30 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: on which iface? |
| 15:16.41 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: bond0 offcource |
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| 15:16.48 | jelly-home | and lo works? |
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| 15:17.49 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: let me try |
| 15:17.55 | Bartzy | what is the minimal package to allow a server to run X apps ? or rather.. forward X apps to a client via ssh -X ? |
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| 15:18.15 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: dan you, good question:P |
| 15:18.24 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: lo don't work... what the hell |
| 15:18.44 | abrotman | Bartzy: xclients-base IIRC .. if you isntall the graphical package, it hsould bring in what it needs |
| 15:18.47 | jelly-home | Bartzy: whichever one contains /usr/bin/xauth, I guess |
| 15:19.02 | jelly-home | ,file usr/bin/xauth |
| 15:19.07 | judd | Search for usr/bin/xauth in squeeze/i386: xauth: usr/bin/xauth |
| 15:19.20 | jelly-home | in abrotman |
| 15:19.23 | abrotman | why can't they give things more obscure names! |
| 15:19.31 | jelly-home | 's defense, it used to be xbase-clients |
| 15:19.35 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: see how much jelly-home is goldly helpfull |
| 15:19.39 | abrotman | uh .. xbase-clients .. not xclients-base :) |
| 15:19.53 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: helped you what? |
| 15:20.00 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: he already knows |
| 15:20.06 | Bartzy | no need for xorg ? |
| 15:20.10 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: he don't know much. |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | wonders why jelly-home is goldly ... |
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| 15:20.14 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: i want to make it much sure |
| 15:20.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: got a tan at the seaside |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: you sohuld leave -home and go back |
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| 15:20.44 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: he knows more than you can imagine! |
| 15:21.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's there to confuse the enemy |
| 15:21.08 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: lovely. abrotman is also helpfull... helped me a lot but i piss him a lot... |
| 15:21.22 | DelphiWorld | if no sney yesterday i was about to get a clashincov in my hear :-) |
| 15:21.33 | abrotman | and now you see why i stopped ... |
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| 15:22.57 | fasta | How can I use FTP over SSL? |
| 15:22.59 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: are you also blind? :-P |
| 15:23.14 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: this is why people have problems with you |
| 15:23.23 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: why ? |
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| 15:23.56 | abrotman | fasta: with CLI or GUI ? |
| 15:23.57 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: engage brain before opening mouth! |
| 15:24.02 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i say that cause the lo interface was not defined in my iface list |
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| 15:24.12 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: ;-) |
| 15:24.21 | fasta | abrotman: cli |
| 15:24.37 | fasta | abrotman: e.g. ftpfs would be best. |
| 15:24.46 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home, after defining my lo i'm able to ping both man |
| 15:24.50 | fasta | abrotman: i.e. a fuse fs based abstraction. |
| 15:24.53 | DelphiWorld | thank you jelly-home |
| 15:24.56 | abrotman | fasta: lftp can use ftps |
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| 15:25.32 | DelphiWorld | how can i get a percist /var/run/something directory ? |
| 15:25.32 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: nfs suddently failing after boot -- also an indication lo is misbehaving |
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| 15:25.47 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: what's the next action we should do |
| 15:25.50 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: create it in the init script if it doesn't exist |
| 15:26.07 | DelphiWorld | jelly: th1ank you. but no way to make it percist ? |
| 15:26.09 | fasta | abrotman: curlftpfs |
| 15:26.15 | fasta | abrotman: that seems to be the answer. |
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| 15:26.30 | abrotman | if that's the tool you choose to use |
| 15:27.25 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: that's how packaged stuff does it. No guarantee of persistence in /var/run |
| 15:27.31 | laptnovic | Hi, i have a quesition, what when I run the chromium appears as a common User few layers as root? |
| 15:27.39 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld: persist! |
| 15:27.43 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: accepted:) |
| 15:28.13 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas, thank you. percist and Persist is pronounced the same in my tts. |
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| 15:28.50 | DelphiWorld | :-P |
| 15:28.51 | laptnovic | I run chromium with user, but i see layers with root, what? :S |
| 15:29.00 | Bartzy | How come you need only xauth to forward X11 apps to the client, and not the whole xorg ? |
| 15:29.31 | laptnovic | This is normal? |
| 15:31.11 | laptnovic | anyone? |
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| 15:33.20 | abrotman | laptnovic: what are "layers" ? |
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| 15:33.29 | abrotman | Bartzy: do you need all the presentation bits? |
| 15:33.37 | laptnovic | operation |
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| 15:33.52 | laptnovic | With root execute this operation |
| 15:35.23 | laptnovic | see this exemple http://f.imgtmp.com/Tu349.png |
| 15:35.39 | laptnovic | understand? |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | laptnovic: is this Ubuntu or Debian ? |
| 15:36.33 | laptnovic | Debian |
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| 15:36.53 | abrotman | laptnovic: can you show all processes with that thing ? |
| 15:37.00 | laptnovic | ok |
| 15:37.49 | fasta | How can I specify that for a certain mount it should get the password from a specific .netrc file for a specific user? |
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| 15:38.23 | laptnovic | is this http://f.imgtmp.com/dfhlr.png |
| 15:38.28 | DelphiWorld | oh jelly-home |
| 15:38.35 | DelphiWorld | bonding is very usefull |
| 15:38.45 | DelphiWorld | i unplugged eth0 and eth1 was up instantly |
| 15:38.51 | DelphiWorld | 1second of hangup |
| 15:38.56 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:39.27 | laptnovic | abrotman do you use chromium? |
| 15:39.34 | laptnovic | our anyone? |
| 15:39.38 | fasta | I already found a workaround. |
| 15:39.48 | sney | laptnovic: what debian version is it |
| 15:39.58 | abrotman | laptnovic: if you look at pstree or ps -ef .. can you get more information |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:40.38 | laptnovic | ok |
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| 15:41.49 | laptnovic | abrotman http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=k3PiBDA1 |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | that's pretty truncated |
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| 15:43.22 | laptnovic | wait |
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| 15:44.40 | laptnovic | ah, this is a bug of LXTask 0.1.4 |
| 15:44.42 | fasta | d?????????? ? ? ? ? ? foo |
| 15:44.50 | fasta | Now, that's interesting. |
| 15:45.02 | fasta | I thought files always had defined owners. |
| 15:45.18 | fasta | Guess even that property doesn't hold. |
| 15:45.33 | fasta | (ls -lah output) |
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| 15:46.27 | tremon | fasta: that means the kernel can't read it. Either it's filesystem corruption, or it's a mountpoint and the mounted device has disappeared |
| 15:46.57 | Diopter | tremon, fasta: Happens a decent amount with complicated ACL systems like AFS mounts, too |
| 15:47.17 | fasta | tremon: it's an FTP mounted fuse fs. |
| 15:47.27 | tremon | fasta: did fuse die? |
| 15:47.28 | fasta | tremon: as root I can go to it. |
| 15:47.31 | fasta | tremon: no |
| 15:48.35 | tremon | fasta: your user has no access to the mountpoint. I can get the same output by destroying my kerberos ticket and trying to ls an nfs4 mount |
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| 15:50.32 | fasta | tremon: ok, good to know. |
| 15:50.37 | fasta | tremon: it works now as planned. |
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| 15:55.21 | Squeige_ | greetings, so I just got a vps running debian 5 64 but I am not seeing apt installed, |
| 15:55.41 | Squeige_ | I am checking /etc/apt and its not there, can someone help? |
| 15:55.45 | abrotman | Squeige_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:55.47 | Squeige_ | it was a minimal installation |
| 15:56.17 | Squeige_ | not there |
| 15:56.33 | abrotman | Squeige_: cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 15:56.49 | Squeige_ | wtf says centos |
| 15:56.51 | Squeige_ | grrr |
| 15:56.53 | abrotman | bingo |
| 15:56.58 | mum0l | Squeige_: dpkg -l |grep apt -will show you is there apt, if not. just install from pkgs.. |
| 15:57.55 | mum0l | if it's centos. use yum for installation.. |
| 15:57.56 | Squeige_ | going to try reinstalling the box, |
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| 16:02.21 | Squeige_ | thanks dont know why it was on centos |
| 16:02.26 | Squeige_ | :) problem fixed |
| 16:02.45 | Diopter | CentOS is a problem I'm always happy to see solved. |
| 16:02.52 | Squeige_ | can someone tell me what are the best settings for terminal in putty and debian? |
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| 16:03.02 | Squeige_ | I am getting very funky behavior |
| 16:03.16 | abrotman | the defaults have generally worked for me |
| 16:03.52 | Squeige_ | the arrow keys on my keyboard for example, dont work right |
| 16:03.58 | sney | if you have non-US character encoding sometimes you just need fonts |
| 16:05.11 | mum0l | Squeige_: try utf8 encoding |
| 16:08.31 | Squeige_ | ok |
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| 16:12.05 | kemuffkamelen | is there any nice GTK theme that has the same look in gtk2 and gtk3? |
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| 16:26.16 | doomster | Someone mentioned unetbootin as tool for creating bootable USB sticks, but where are the packages for that? Is it in Debian at all? |
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| 16:26.29 | Calinou | someone = "probably me", |
| 16:26.36 | Calinou | doomster, no, google it and download it :P |
| 16:26.44 | Calinou | (you have to install p7zip-full on linux using apt-get first) |
| 16:27.05 | doomster | there are translations already packaged though... |
| 16:28.26 | abrotman | doomster: don't use unetbootin .. it rarely works |
| 16:28.42 | doomster | wow, four commercials on the download page, three of them featuring a download button... |
| 16:28.53 | abrotman | !tell doomster about usb install |
| 16:28.54 | doomster | abrotman: alternatives? |
| 16:29.03 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
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| 16:29.20 | doomster | :) |
| 16:29.21 | abrotman | we have a lot of peopl ein here with usb installers created with unetbootin that don't work |
| 16:29.34 | doomster | pets the 'bot. |
| 16:29.42 | Calinou | ^ because of terribly old computers I guess |
| 16:29.45 | abrotman | no |
| 16:29.48 | Calinou | it always worked for me |
| 16:29.49 | abrotman | because unetbootin sucks |
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| 16:30.12 | abrotman | Debian has a perfectly good method to create a usb installer anyway |
| 16:30.15 | Calinou | it's like everyone has a CD. CDs are dead today. :P |
| 16:30.17 | Calinou | oh |
| 16:30.30 | n-iCe | cat |
| 16:30.31 | n-iCe | :D |
| 16:30.50 | Calinou | yeah, surely easy *sarcasm* |
| 16:31.26 | abrotman | it's insanely easy .. |
| 16:31.29 | doomster | this is the first machine I ever had with neither CD nor floppy which I'm going to install on... |
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| 16:32.16 | nkuttler | usb install is really not harder than installing though cd |
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| 16:32.30 | nkuttler | in fact, you don't have to burn a cd, it's probably easier |
| 16:33.00 | Calinou | <abrotman> it's insanely easy .. |
| 16:33.11 | Calinou | paritioning and stuff without a GUI is a PITA |
| 16:33.19 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with you |
| 16:33.28 | ompaul | hes a troll running windows |
| 16:33.30 | nkuttler | Calinou: doh. don't use a gui then |
| 16:33.31 | Calinou | because loss of data |
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| 16:33.42 | abrotman | how does that have anything to do with unetbootin vs the debian method of creating a usb installer? |
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| 16:35.31 | Calinou | still, unetbootin always worked for me, on 3 computers. |
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| 16:45.30 | willard | info ##wil |
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| 16:49.28 | Calinou | abrotman, then, do you have any other solution about USB drivers, with a program that has a GUI to not lose all your data? |
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| 16:54.33 | PaulePanter | Is there a way in X to find out which window currently grabs the pointer? |
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| 16:54.41 | PaulePanter | *keyboard pointer/input? |
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| 16:55.00 | PaulePanter | Related to <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52046>. |
| 16:58.16 | project2501a | how do i use a tab as a delimiter with cut? no man page example |
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| 16:59.22 | tremon | project2501a: can I refer you to the man page, instead of quoting an example? |
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| 16:59.48 | project2501a | dude.i just read the man page. i am trying to do a simple example |
| 16:59.57 | project2501a | ps auxww | grep -i [d]smc | cut -d' ' -f1 |
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| 17:00.09 | project2501a | there's a ^V<TAB> in those single quotes |
| 17:00.15 | tremon | did you read the part about -d where it says "use DELIM instead of TAB" |
| 17:00.35 | tremon | which suggests that tab is the default delimiter |
| 17:00.41 | tremon | but I haven't tried |
| 17:00.46 | tremon | which is why I asked |
| 17:00.52 | doomster | who'd expect things to do what you want without tinkering on Linux? :D |
| 17:01.01 | project2501a | i apologize, but my version of the man page does not mention anything about DELIM |
| 17:01.13 | tremon | hmm, maybe I cheated, I'm on testing ;) |
| 17:01.23 | tremon | tries to find a squeeze machine |
| 17:01.28 | project2501a | ... i'm on testing as well. |
| 17:01.50 | project2501a | maybe there is no tab between the username and the pid |
| 17:02.11 | project2501a | and that's why cut is returning the entire line. which would make sense. |
| 17:02.28 | tremon | project2501a: not sure how ps aligns it... have you tried awk '{print $2}' ? |
| 17:02.42 | tremon | (or $1, depending on what you want) |
| 17:02.50 | project2501a | yes. it works. i want to use cut, though. awk is the easy way out |
| 17:03.20 | tremon | if ps uses spaces, you're out of luck. Cut will treat every space as a new delimiter |
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| 17:04.01 | tremon | that said, have you tried -c 10-20 ? |
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| 17:04.10 | project2501a | by the behavior of it, looks like ps is assuming an 80char wide terminal and pretty-formatting the output with positionals |
| 17:04.25 | project2501a | that's the easy way out, as well |
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| 17:04.54 | tremon | asking for help is also an easy way out |
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| 17:16.17 | Quibus | I'm having problems running Wine on unstable (on a 64 bit machine). I have the multi-arch stuff in, but OpenGL can't be initialized. Any ideas? |
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| 17:19.12 | judgen | If flashplugin keeps crashing xorg... how do i proceed. (Wheezy) |
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| 17:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | have you tried screaming out loud and pulling your hair out already? |
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| 17:20.49 | judgen | CutMeOwnThroat, I almost did what your nick means... Does that help? =D |
| 17:20.50 | doomster | crashing xorg ... if you manage to crash the windowmanager, you session is usually terminated, too. Looking in ~/.xsession-errors might tell you more |
| 17:22.02 | judgen | hmm Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_r600.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.12 | judgen | Is not vdpau for nvidia cards only? |
| 17:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | judgen, my nick means I'm a sausage-seller /msg dpkg cutmeownthroat |
| 17:22.43 | judgen | iam using the default open source radeon driver. |
| 17:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but apart from the hair-pulling, I guess you can connect gdb to the running X-server before you provoke the crash |
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| 17:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously, there's two bugs... one is that flash sucks and the 2nd one is that it's able to crash X |
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| 17:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, yeah, and logs might be the better idea at first... and maybe use something else but the WM that the X server depends running on |
| 17:24.39 | smw | hi all. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for downloading a source package and recompiling it? |
| 17:25.06 | judgen | smw, Does not apt-get work for you? |
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| 17:25.42 | smw | judgen, the package I want to compile is not working for me. It was compiled without non-free libraries |
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| 17:26.28 | smw | judgen, I just want something that goes over the basics. Such as sudo apt-get build-dep package |
| 17:26.46 | smw | judgen, how to run the actual build, download the source package, stuff like that |
| 17:26.59 | smw | judgen, I have a general idea, but having a guide would be great |
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| 17:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | smw, apt-get -b source <yourpackage> |
| 17:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | how was that for a tutorial? |
| 17:30.34 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, not that useful :-P |
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| 17:30.42 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, I want to make modifications before recompiling |
| 17:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't SAY that, though |
| 17:31.01 | Devastator | dpkg tell smw about source |
| 17:31.03 | oo_miguel | Can you recommend a light pdf viewer? |
| 17:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell smw about package recompile |
| 17:31.42 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, I did say that the stock package was not good because of missing libs |
| 17:31.55 | Devastator | i guess i pointed to the wrong factoid, sorry |
| 17:31.58 | smw | thanks |
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| 17:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yours pointed to the one I had in mind |
| 17:32.54 | Devastator | i should have learn the factoids before trying to help, bummer |
| 17:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and is kinda similar anyway |
| 17:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, I usually check if they're still there and saying the same I last used them if I haven't used them very recently :) |
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| 17:34.15 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat good tip! thanks! |
| 17:34.16 | ksuhku | Devastator, yeah, just /msg dpkg and see if the shoe fits |
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| 17:34.38 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, cool, now I just need to figure out what compile options to change :-) |
| 17:35.02 | systemclient | Say I already packaged foo-0.3. Now foo-0.4 is out and I want to package it. Is there an easier way than extracting the tarball and copy the debian directory into the new version? |
| 17:35.55 | Devastator | almost typed dpkg tell systemclient about ssb, but i guess it's the wrong factoid again hehe |
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| 17:37.32 | systemclient | Devastator: uupdate seems to be what I want, I got to read the man … |
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| 17:39.12 | systemclient | Devastator: it *is* the right program. So your factoid was not that wrong after all! |
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| 17:40.06 | Devastator | good! thanks for the feedback |
| 17:40.22 | systemclient | Devastator: thanks for the hint! |
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| 17:48.05 | Giric | I'm having trouble getting a Seagate GoFlex NTFS USB hdd to mount. I've tried several things from the Internet, and nothing's worked. ntfs-3g seems to be the issue. Any help? |
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| 17:48.35 | Giric | Oh, and I have Debian (Squeeze) running. |
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| 17:50.12 | Giric | Any help? |
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| 17:54.52 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, this is turning into a fun project, they removed the source of the nonfree stuff so I need to go find the original. If the apt-get source returns files with the version "git20120423.cd20772", is it possible to locate the version in the upstream git? |
| 17:55.03 | smw | How would I go about doing that? |
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| 17:55.35 | Devastator | smw have you looked into sid repo? |
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| 17:55.54 | smw | Devastator, I don't understand |
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| 17:56.36 | systemclient | smw: you will have to git clone the repo |
| 17:56.44 | smw | systemclient, doing that now |
| 17:56.52 | smw | but once I do, how do I locate that version? |
| 17:56.59 | systemclient | smw: and then search for a commit from 2012-04-23 |
| 17:57.06 | systemclient | the cd20772 is the start of the hash |
| 17:57.11 | smw | ah |
| 17:57.14 | smw | thanks |
| 17:57.14 | systemclient | so just do `git checkout cd20772` and you will be there |
| 17:57.26 | smw | thanks :-) |
| 17:57.29 | systemclient | (in git, all revision ids are SHA-1 hashes, and you can abbreviate them) |
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| 17:58.20 | smw | so I do a git checkout, delete all .git directories and copy over the debian directory? |
| 17:58.39 | ngc0202 | Hey, I'm trying to download Debian by torrent, and I clicked the link, and I got a list of 8 torrent files to download |
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| 17:58.41 | systemclient | smw: there is just one .git in the root. That is possible, but you can export it … let me see how |
| 17:58.49 | ngc0202 | Am I supposed to download them all? Or just one? |
| 17:59.02 | smw | systemclient, oh right, git is not like svn :-) |
| 17:59.04 | systemclient | ngc0202: what are the files? different architecutres? |
| 17:59.11 | systemclient | smw: :) |
| 17:59.14 | ngc0202 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 17:59.29 | systemclient | ngc0202: oh, that is the *complete* debian |
| 17:59.39 | systemclient | ngc0202: I mean every single package. That is probably not what you want, do you? |
| 17:59.42 | ADMINGTA4 | I was wondering downloading the 4.4GB of Debian is it smart to do that. Or just download the small iso version? |
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| 17:59.57 | smw | systemclient, ok, so I delete .git, copy debian dir, rename the dir to whatever the original one from apt-get was and then dch --local smw |
| 18:00.09 | ngc0202 | systemclient: I thought so, is it not? |
| 18:00.13 | smw | systemclient, then I can build my own version of the package :-) |
| 18:00.17 | smw | systemclient, this may work |
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| 18:00.21 | systemclient | smw: what you can do is the following: |
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| 18:00.34 | systemclient | git archive cd20772 | tar -x -C /some/where/else/ |
| 18:00.40 | stew | ADMINGTA4: the dvd versions really only exist for getting packages to machines which cannot download packages over a network. use a smaller image for a machine that will be networked |
| 18:00.53 | Devastator | ngc0202 if your computer have internet, netinstall is smaller |
| 18:00.55 | smw | systemclient, nice |
| 18:00.57 | systemclient | ngc0202: see stew's answer |
| 18:01.14 | smw | systemclient, would I use that to replace the .orig.tar.gz ? |
| 18:01.20 | systemclient | smw: like so: |
| 18:01.21 | ngc0202 | Ok, so I'm here |
| 18:01.22 | ngc0202 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 18:01.33 | systemclient | smw: git archive cd20772 | gzip > foo.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:01.40 | ngc0202 | But, is there a DVD version of this? |
| 18:01.51 | systemclient | ngc0202: no, just a CD. it is just some 150 MB |
| 18:01.55 | jesselang | I'm seeing in increased OS load using Debian testing on recent kernel versions 3.2 and 3.1. My idle load is between 0.4 and 1.2. I have an intel GPU, and have tried using GNOME classic rather than GNOME shell. Anyone able to help resolve this? |
| 18:02.06 | ngc0202 | systemclient: The thing is, I don't have a blank CD haha |
| 18:02.11 | smw | systemclient, nice. What do I do after that? |
| 18:02.13 | jesselang | Troubleshoot, rather? |
| 18:02.25 | systemclient | smw: that command will create a new orig.tar.gz for you |
| 18:02.31 | systemclient | smw: from the files in the commit cd.... |
| 18:02.51 | ADMINGTA4 | Stew: One question does not big iso comes with a desktop experence or does it come with a kernel that will work with WIFI to. Just wondering because trying to get everything to work. Or do I have to download nidswrapper? |
| 18:02.51 | systemclient | ngc0202: I see. Do you have an USB stick which you could boot from? |
| 18:02.54 | jesselang | It seems that all processes take more CPU than they had previously. |
| 18:02.59 | smw | systemclient, I am just not sure how to then use it |
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| 18:03.12 | systemclient | smw: you need a orig.tar.gz from that git version, right? |
| 18:03.19 | smw | systemclient, yep |
| 18:03.35 | systemclient | smw: then let git export the files from that revision, let gzip compress it and write all that into the .orig.tar.gz file |
| 18:03.54 | smw | I will |
| 18:04.00 | systemclient | smw: so go into that cloned git repo and do `git archive cd20772 | gzip > foo.orig.tar.gz` |
| 18:04.09 | smw | but then I need to figure out how to use that to build my deb file |
| 18:04.19 | systemclient | smw: wait a second, you need a directory prefix |
| 18:04.32 | smw | a what? |
| 18:04.47 | systemclient | smw: when you unpack the archive, a folder name-version should be created |
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| 18:05.02 | systemclient | smw: if not, all the files would just land in your current directory, which is not what we want |
| 18:05.04 | ngc0202 | Can I use a USB stick instead? How do I do that? |
| 18:05.26 | systemclient | ngc0202: you can use unetbootin and put the CD ISO onto the USB stick. Then boot from the USB stick on your computer |
| 18:05.34 | systemclient | ngc0202: the bios has to support it though |
| 18:05.55 | systemclient | smw: so that is then: git archive --prefix=project-version | gzip project_version.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:06.07 | systemclient | git archive --prefix=project-version | gzip > project_version.orig.tar.gz |
| 18:06.08 | smw | ok |
| 18:06.14 | systemclient | got to put the > in there … |
| 18:06.25 | Giric | I'm having trouble mounting a Seagate GoFlex harddrive in Debian 6. I get the error message here: http://pastebin.com/zEXBiLFP. I've tried a few things online, but I'm stuck now. Any help? |
| 18:07.16 | systemclient | Giric: seems there is a problem with the permissons for the ntfs-3g module. Are you root when trying to mount it? |
| 18:07.22 | systemclient | Giric: or a regular user? |
| 18:08.18 | ADMINGTA4 | Does the debian-6.0.5-amd64-xfce-lxde-cd-1.iso comes with Desktop experence |
| 18:08.52 | smw | systemclient, forgot to tell me to put a / in the prefix XD |
| 18:09.01 | Giric | systemclient Normally, I just try it through the file browser. From what I've understood from the steps I've taken, I should be able to mount it without a sudo command. I'm not sure how to mount it otherwise, and I've read man mount(8), but it didn't make much sense to me. |
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| 18:09.21 | systemclient | smw: oh, I see how that went … sorry! |
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| 18:09.34 | smw | systemclient, no problem :-) |
| 18:09.44 | smw | systemclient, I am copying my backup directory and starting over |
| 18:09.57 | systemclient | Giric: okay, then I understand the error. You have to be a priviledged user to mount it. |
| 18:10.08 | systemclient | Giric: so I assume you have to be in the fuse group or so … let me see |
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| 18:10.38 | systemclient | Giric: could you please enter `groups` in a terminal and see whether `fuse` shows up? |
| 18:11.03 | Giric | sytemclient It does not. How do I add it? |
| 18:11.34 | systemclient | Giric: gimme a second |
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| 18:12.03 | Giric | systemclient: I am not going to rush you. I appreciate your help. |
| 18:12.31 | systemclient | Giric: sudo usermod -a -G fuse $USER |
| 18:12.40 | systemclient | that will add your current user to the `fuse` group |
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| 18:14.19 | systemclient | Giric: you will have to log out and log back in for this to take effekt in your file manager though |
| 18:14.33 | systemclient | if you start a new terminal window, it should work in your current session though |
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| 18:18.19 | Giric | systemclient: Thanks. I'm going to get that run through, and if I have any problems, I'll certainly be back. Thanks again. |
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| 18:22.43 | evictimizor | how come the radeon kms module will not work for xorg? I have a 22" screen and vesa can only use 18" |
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| 18:23.35 | Giric | systemclient: It didn't work. The error message is the same. How do I mount in terminal? I get as far as mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:24.02 | systemclient | Giric: that is pretty good, the problem is that you need a mount destination |
| 18:24.13 | systemclient | Giric: the idea is that every filesystem is mounted into a folder |
| 18:24.27 | systemclient | Giric: so create one with say: sudo mkdir /media/external |
| 18:24.39 | Giric | systemclient Why not in /mnt? |
| 18:24.40 | systemclient | then you can mount it into there with mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external |
| 18:24.53 | systemclient | Giric: /media is the new /mnt. You can use what you like, though |
| 18:25.18 | Giric | I either didn't know that or didn't remember that. It's been a long while since I've used Linux... |
| 18:26.08 | Giric | systemclient: Should I sudo mount or just mount? |
| 18:26.19 | systemclient | Giric: try without sudo first |
| 18:26.28 | systemclient | Giric: but I assume that you might need sudo for that |
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| 18:26.56 | Devastator | you don't need mount, you can use ntfs-3g directly |
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| 18:27.40 | systemclient | Devastator: fusermount? |
| 18:28.03 | Giric | systemclient I'm in via terminal... |
| 18:28.13 | systemclient | Giric: okay, I guess that is ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mountpoint |
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| 18:28.28 | Devastator | systemclient until some version of ntfs-3g i used mount -t ntfs-3g, but in newer version i could use it directly |
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| 18:28.55 | dagerik | how can I find out which version and branch of debian I am using |
| 18:28.57 | systemclient | Devastator: my Ubuntu 12.04 hast a ntfs-3g program which takes a device and a mountpoint. |
| 18:29.12 | systemclient | dagerik: you can peek into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:29.37 | Devastator | systemclient yes, that's what i mean |
| 18:29.38 | systemclient | dagerik: there should be one of stable, oldstable, testing, unstable, sid, wheezy, squeeze, lenny, … |
| 18:29.44 | Giric | systemclient, Devastator I'll make a note of that to try later, but systemclient's method works for right now. We'll see about later, as this is a drive I'm going to use frequently between a Windows 7 laptop and this. |
| 18:30.03 | dagerik | systemclient: i have squeeze. how can I tell if I have stable, unstable or tsting? |
| 18:30.13 | systemclient | dagerik: queeze is stable. |
| 18:30.14 | krisfremen | dagerik: squeeze is stable atm |
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| 18:30.28 | Devastator | Giric don't forget to eject it before removing |
| 18:30.37 | Devastator | otherwise it won't mount properly |
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| 18:30.47 | systemclient | dagerik: unstable is always "sid", testing is currently "wheezy" and stable is currently "squeeze", oldstable is "lenny" |
| 18:31.25 | laptnovic | What command do I run tor as normal user? |
| 18:31.26 | dagerik | how can I check if squeeze supports ext4? having mysterious problems with mounting ext4 |
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| 18:31.42 | systemclient | dagerik: there is a difference between squeeze and stable in the sense that if you have stable, it will become wheezy once that become stable. If you have squeeze, you will stay there (even when it becomes oldstable) |
| 18:31.51 | nkuttler | laptnovic: run tor? |
| 18:32.15 | laptnovic | tor not run with normal user, only run with root |
| 18:32.24 | Giric | Devastator Does the machine "eject" the drive on shutdown, or does it expect it to be there on the next boot? |
| 18:32.38 | systemclient | Giric: usually, everything is unmounted at shutdown |
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| 18:32.53 | Devastator | that ^^ |
| 18:32.54 | nkuttler | laptnovic: man tor, there's an option |
| 18:32.56 | Giric | Thanks. Just thought I'd make certain. |
| 18:32.58 | laptnovic | [warn] You are running Tor as root. You don't need to, and you probably shouldn't. |
| 18:33.07 | systemclient | Giric: all drives are unmounted. The drives in /etc/fstab will be mounted on startup. So they seem to be always there |
| 18:33.22 | systemclient | Giric: better safe than sorry :-) |
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| 18:33.40 | nkuttler | laptnovic: see also /usr/share/doc/<package> by default from now on |
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| 18:34.30 | Giric | Devastator To be clear for my notes, should it be sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mountpoint? |
| 18:35.01 | Devastator | Giric yes |
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| 18:35.36 | Giric | Okay, thanks. I appreciate all the help. :) |
| 18:35.40 | laptnovic | What was the command that is run tor run as normal User?, I think it took some bug. |
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| 18:35.56 | systemclient | Giric: you're welcome. Your questions were formulated well, so thank you for that! |
| 18:36.43 | laptnovic | chrow -r tor? |
| 18:37.12 | Giric | systemclient Cheers. |
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| 18:38.41 | nkuttler | laptnovic: uh, i just told you |
| 18:38.47 | dagerik | how can I check if squeeze supports ext4? having mysterious problems with mounting ext4 |
| 18:39.15 | systemclient | dagerik: It should, unless you removed the support. I used Squeeze with ext4 for sure |
| 18:39.32 | systemclient | dagerik: what are the mysterious problems? Do you expect a mysterious answer? ;-) |
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| 18:40.03 | ratatata | nu |
| 18:40.48 | trysten | so i've been plugging in alot of usb things |
| 18:40.52 | trysten | i'm now on sdf |
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| 18:41.18 | dagerik | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 && mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usbdrive/ was failing |
| 18:41.29 | dagerik | but having tried it again now, it mounts |
| 18:41.47 | BitPuffin | Bleh, why isn't tal-plugins lv2 in the repo :( |
| 18:42.20 | dagerik | how is it, that linux can detect that I have physically plugged into a usb drive and then create a file for it in /dev ? |
| 18:42.25 | systemclient | BitPuffin: nobody packaged it? |
| 18:42.29 | Devastator | dagerik tried mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usbdrive/? |
| 18:42.35 | systemclient | dagerik: I think so |
| 18:42.41 | dagerik | Devastator: I did try that afterwards |
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| 18:42.53 | evictimizor | how come the radeon kms module will not work for xorg? I have a 22" screen and vesa can only use 18" |
| 18:43.01 | BitPuffin | systemclient, obviously :p |
| 18:43.06 | Devastator | tried to remove and reconnect the drive after mkfs.ext4? |
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| 18:43.59 | systemclient | BitPuffin: you could package it :-) |
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| 18:44.59 | BitPuffin | systemclient, Don't know how, and it wouldn't get it's way into wheezy |
| 18:45.13 | systemclient | BitPuffin: within some 15 days it would |
| 18:45.33 | systemclient | BitPuffin: can you give me link to the upstream website? |
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| 18:46.02 | BitPuffin | systemclient, It would? I thought since it's frozen it doesn't accept new packages |
| 18:46.05 | BitPuffin | systemclient, http://kunz.corrupt.ch/ |
| 18:46.22 | BitPuffin | It's a lot of differen't plugins actually, but it's useful to have a meta package |
| 18:46.52 | BitPuffin | I'm mostly interested in noisemaker |
| 18:47.34 | systemclient | BitPuffin: so the stuff is already packaged, you just want a meta package? |
| 18:48.00 | BitPuffin | systemclient, No nothing is packaged, it would be cool to have them all packaged separately and also have a meta package |
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| 18:49.01 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I see. There is one thing one the website that sounds interesting: “Its free and open source under the GPL license. This means [...] Commercial use of the source is not allowed. ” |
| 18:49.10 | systemclient | uhm, that does not sound like GPL |
| 18:49.18 | BitPuffin | Probably a typo? |
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| 18:49.48 | systemclient | BitPuffin: if he means that you cannot sell binaries without the source for free, he is right |
| 18:50.08 | systemclient | but I guess stating the GPL is the strong commitent, and therefore it should be free |
| 18:50.09 | BitPuffin | I think he doesn't know how the GPL works |
| 18:50.22 | BitPuffin | You are allowed to change the source code and use it in commercial producs, you just have to keep the code open |
| 18:50.54 | smw | Hi all, I am trying to download and recompile a package. The .orig.tar.gz has missing files. Is there any way to get a list of what has been removed and changed in the orig.tar.gz? |
| 18:51.18 | BitPuffin | Anyhow, I don't know how to turn this into an lv2 plugin. I know that the kxstudio guys did it somehow but I don't have a clue, I downloaded the source code at least |
| 18:51.22 | evictimizor | smw, its called md5sum |
| 18:51.47 | smw | evictimizor, I was hoping for something offical instead of using diff -qr (what I am doing now) |
| 18:52.02 | systemclient | smw: you can build the new package and use debdiff |
| 18:52.23 | smw | evictimizor, the maintainer did stuff like run ./bootstrap before packaging the orig |
| 18:52.42 | smw | systemclient, I was banging my head against the wall. I assumed that the orig was unmodified :-\ |
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| 18:53.15 | smw | systemclient, now that I figured out most of what he did (I think), it now looks like it is compiling |
| 18:54.15 | BitPuffin | hmm |
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| 18:54.49 | systemclient | smw: one showstopper is that the archives that git creates and the one you had have the same content, but in a different order, therefore hawing different hashes |
| 18:55.10 | smw | systemclient, next question, I changed the package version to 1smw1. Would a new release of 2 replace mine? |
| 18:55.12 | systemclient | smw: I sometimes have a `make tarball` |
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| 18:55.21 | systemclient | smw: yes |
| 18:55.35 | BitPuffin | Doesn't even come with a makefile or anything |
| 18:55.37 | systemclient | smw: same as foo-2ubuntu2 is replaced by foo-3 |
| 18:55.38 | smw | systemclient, they are not the same |
| 18:55.44 | smw | systemclient, that was my problem |
| 18:55.51 | smw | systemclient, hm... that sucks |
| 18:55.57 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I just saw that too … sounds like a lot of work … |
| 18:56.10 | smw | systemclient, any way to force "only accept smw updates" |
| 18:56.11 | systemclient | BitPuffin: there are some xcodeprojects there, but that is only Mac OS X |
| 18:56.27 | smw | systemclient, perhaps changing the version to smw1? |
| 18:56.29 | systemclient | smw: you can set the package on hold |
| 18:56.43 | smw | systemclient, yes, I guess I will need to do that |
| 18:56.46 | systemclient | then it will not be auto upgraded |
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| 18:56.58 | BitPuffin | systemclient, Yeah, that's problematic. I'm gonna see if I can find out how kxstudio did it |
| 18:57.07 | systemclient | smw: just bear in mind that aptitude uses a different hold system than dpkg/apt-get and all the like |
| 18:57.09 | smw | ok, then I get a warning when there is a new one but it won't update? |
| 18:57.17 | smw | systemclient, good to know |
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| 18:57.23 | systemclient | smw: I think it does not do anything then |
| 18:57.38 | smw | systemclient, this is way too complicated :-P |
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| 18:58.20 | smw | systemclient, the issue I had was that the orig from debian was not just the git repo. Not only were there missing files, but the maintainer ran a script |
| 18:58.22 | BitPuffin | what should I use, aptitude or apt-get? |
| 18:58.30 | BitPuffin | (in general) |
| 18:58.54 | ADMINGTA4 | I have something to say about Ubuntu Kernel. Can you use Ubuntu Kernel on Debain? |
| 18:59.00 | gnarface | BitPuffin: aptitude if you want it to try to think for you more |
| 18:59.15 | Devastator | ADMINGTA4 no |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: you can try, it may or may not work, we can't say either way |
| 18:59.35 | BitPuffin | Didn't know that they were different other than aptitude unifying all the stuff like apt-get apt-cache etc |
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| 18:59.56 | laptnovic | This is a error of vidalia when executed https://pzt.me/9brq@raw |
| 19:00.00 | gnarface | BitPuffin: aptitude also tries to do more intelligent conflict resolution |
| 19:00.04 | dvs | abrotman: ...but you're away!!! ;-) |
| 19:00.38 | ADMINGTA4 | abrotman: Ya I tryed it on some different linux distro. But I can remember what I used. I think it was opensuse or something:) But if it works it going to be better I hope:) |
| 19:00.43 | systemclient | gnarface: although it somehow messed up installing apache-php on my system … it wanted to remove lots of packages … |
| 19:01.16 | BitPuffin | Cool! |
| 19:01.32 | BitPuffin | It's kind of hard to get used to typing aptitude lol |
| 19:01.41 | gnarface | systemclient: note my important qualifier "try to" and the fact i still use apt-get |
| 19:01.57 | systemclient | BitPuffin: if that project had a simple `make install`, it would be easy to package |
| 19:02.14 | systemclient | gnarface: usually, programs that try to outsmart me do not really help |
| 19:02.14 | gnarface | syslq: although most misbehaviors of both tools are based on user error |
| 19:02.21 | systemclient | gnarface: that is true |
| 19:02.28 | gnarface | systemclient: although most misbehaviors of both tools are based on user error |
| 19:02.31 | gnarface | syslq: ignore me |
| 19:02.33 | systemclient | gnarface: definitly true for git |
| 19:02.40 | BitPuffin | systemclient, definitely :/ |
| 19:02.52 | BitPuffin | systemclient, The plugins are really good |
| 19:02.55 | systemclient | BitPuffin: so I have no idea how to get this thing compiled … |
| 19:02.55 | ADMINGTA4 | one other thing does sudo apt-get work on debian? |
| 19:02.56 | syslq | gnarface: nah, i'm not so easly insulted :) |
| 19:03.01 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: yes. |
| 19:03.06 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: though, not really sure why you'd use a different kernel |
| 19:03.14 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: what's wrong with the kernel in Debian? |
| 19:03.15 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: Ubuntu uses the whole Debian package system |
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| 19:03.52 | BitPuffin | systemclient, I think there's a third party port or something to lv2 |
| 19:03.59 | gnarface | ubuntu uses debian's pacakge system... they just break the *packages* |
| 19:04.13 | systemclient | gnarface: tell me more about that. How do they break them? |
| 19:04.15 | smw | systemclient, just used set-selections to hold the package :-) |
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| 19:04.39 | systemclient | smw: that sounds like it will work |
| 19:04.56 | smw | systemclient, http://askubuntu.com/questions/51124/hold-packages-back-from-updates-without-apt-pin |
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| 19:05.03 | gnarface | systemclient: they use buggier, less tested (aka "current" in some circles) software |
| 19:05.41 | systemclient | gnarface: Ubuntu indeed has a tendency to remove stable (aka dusty) software in favor of software that is currently in development. Phonon, Unity, … |
| 19:06.02 | systemclient | gnarface: on the other hand, Stable is a little too old for me, and I am to dumb for testing/unstable |
| 19:06.04 | ADMINGTA4 | abrotman: Um the wireless is not working and alot of my drivers are werd in the kernel I have. Am installing it right know to my laptop but if I can get a hold of a different hold point. But is this the right move then? |
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| 19:06.15 | BitPuffin | systemclient, http://distrho.sourceforge.net/ports.php |
| 19:06.20 | gnarface | systemclient: so its as often that they break them simply by introducing bugs naturally but doing less thorough of a QA process before calling it "done" as they do by just failing to notice a critical bug in the upstream source |
| 19:06.24 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: you'd probably do better to use the kernel from backports.debian.org |
| 19:07.15 | gnarface | systemclient: either failing are natural to expect as a result of prioritizing updates over testing, only the first one really points out that they suck |
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| 19:08.21 | Devastator | judd pciid 14e4:16b1 |
| 19:08.22 | judd | [14e4:16b1] is 'NetLink BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:16b1 |
| 19:08.31 | BitPuffin | systemclient, I think that's where kxstudio got it, not sure though because they aren't answering. But anyways, it would probably be nice to have all of these in the repo for audio people :) |
| 19:09.02 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I'll check that source |
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| 19:09.29 | smw | systemclient, GAH! 18 minutes of compiling, it finishes, then it can not find the damn package scripts! |
| 19:09.31 | BitPuffin | I should read up on how to make debian packages |
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| 19:09.49 | systemclient | smw: what package scripts? |
| 19:09.51 | smw | systemclient, (that is also in the orig) |
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| 19:10.11 | smw | systemclient, not exactly sure... debian specific things |
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| 19:10.23 | smw | systemclient, live-scripts/runXBMC |
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| 19:10.25 | systemclient | gnarface: I had some issue with the xorg in testing and the proprietary nvidia driver. Because of that, I went back to Ubuntu |
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| 19:10.36 | smw | systemclient, live-scripts/diskmounter |
| 19:10.41 | smw | systemclient, stuff like that |
| 19:10.49 | systemclient | smw: that does not sound like debian packaging though … |
| 19:10.59 | gnarface | systemclient: you're not supposed to be running testing unless you're looking for bugs |
| 19:11.08 | gnarface | systemclient: that's what testing is *for* |
| 19:11.24 | smw | systemclient, ok, probably not, I don't know what I am talking about |
| 19:11.40 | smw | systemclient, but I think these were added by the debian maintainer |
| 19:12.00 | systemclient | gnarface: on the other hand, squeeze with KDE 4.4 seems just a little old (I know, tested) for me |
| 19:12.25 | systemclient | smw: Debian maintainers can put patches in there, that might have happened |
| 19:12.56 | smw | systemclient, yeah, is there any way to find what they changed? |
| 19:12.58 | gnarface | systemclient: cheap, fast, good; you only get to pick 2 of the 3 |
| 19:13.22 | smw | systemclient, other systems create patch sets that get applied at package build time |
| 19:13.43 | systemclient | smw: quilt does that for instance |
| 19:13.53 | smw | ? |
| 19:13.53 | systemclient | smw: there should be a folder patches or quilt in the debian folder |
| 19:13.58 | systemclient | it has to be in the debian folder |
| 19:14.02 | smw | ok |
| 19:14.05 | systemclient | gnarface: cheap are both :) |
| 19:14.27 | systemclient | gnarface: the thing is that for my computer, it is nice to have a newer Kernel than 2.6.32 |
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| 19:14.46 | systemclient | gnarface: since the newer ones have nice new ACPI functions, better support for the hardware and so on |
| 19:15.03 | gnarface | systemclient: yea but you don't need to torture yourself with testing to have stuff like a current kernel. don't you know about backports? |
| 19:15.21 | smw | systemclient, I found the patches dir, good to know |
| 19:15.31 | smw | systemclient, still does not say what was removed or anything :-\ |
| 19:15.35 | BitPuffin | systemclient, How does it look? I'm downloading but this connection has a very limited speed right now |
| 19:15.39 | gnarface | dpkg, tell systemclient about backports |
| 19:15.46 | smw | systemclient, or that live-scripts was added |
| 19:16.15 | systemclient | smw: in the patches folder, there should be .patch files, which have the difference in them |
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| 19:16.59 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I downloaded the source from the distrho thing, there is a script that makes makefiles. So that might be packageble |
| 19:17.06 | smw | systemclient, yes, I see that |
| 19:17.15 | BitPuffin | systemclient, like a configure script that checks for dependencies? |
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| 19:17.26 | smw | systemclient, I found something cool though, hidden in a readme file: https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc-packaging/blob/master/xbmc-get-orig-source |
| 19:17.27 | systemclient | gnarface: Ubuntu works for me currently, so I do not need to change that. |
| 19:17.42 | systemclient | BitPuffin: it uses premake, so it seems to be something like that |
| 19:17.43 | heoa | I am trying to debug this bug fixed already in Debian but still broken 12.04 Ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/158909/how-to-patch-apache-mod-proxy-3-0-1-with-3-0-1-1-1 |
| 19:18.05 | abrotman | heoa: so shouldn't you talk to #ubuntu ? |
| 19:18.06 | heoa | It ends up to the uninstalled mode, more here pastie.org/4196383 |
| 19:18.30 | ADMINGTA4 | Okay kind of a werd fucken qestion but do I have a stabled version of Debain. Because I cant find any kernels that will support it. Debian 6.0 am using a xfce desktop experence? |
| 19:18.40 | BitPuffin | systemclient, cool :) I'm reading on the debian wiki. I don't really know how to use chroot, is that required? |
| 19:18.50 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: that will support what? |
| 19:18.57 | systemclient | BitPuffin: not in that state |
| 19:19.02 | heoa | abrotman: not sure, I cannot understand why the fix is not working in 12.04 |
| 19:19.09 | heoa | (well I conacted #ubuntu also) |
| 19:19.09 | abrotman | heoa: right, ask #ubuntu |
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| 19:19.17 | abrotman | heoa: we wouldn't know why their stuff is broken |
| 19:19.19 | systemclient | BitPuffin: the idea is that you use set up the directory with project-version correctly, run dh_make and edit the files |
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| 19:19.45 | systemclient | BitPuffin: then in rules you will have to tell how to build it. It usually is just a make, make install, but here you will have to be creative :-/ |
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| 19:20.13 | BitPuffin | I see |
| 19:20.14 | BitPuffin | hrm |
| 19:20.37 | ADMINGTA4 | abrotman: I guest what I mean about support on the whole subject that I was on. Will it support my AMD Proccssor 1.65 GHz ATI. And my WIFI and my Computer is a HP 2000.369WM it has 4GB of Ram |
| 19:20.40 | systemclient | BitPuffin: it took me around three days to get up to speed with it. Today, I build 5 simple packages … but all of my own projects use make; make install |
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| 19:21.05 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: and the squeeze installer doesn't work ? |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | ADMINGTA4: have you installed the required firmware ? |
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| 19:22.38 | ADMINGTA4 | abrotman: my system is not installed yet but it looks like when A live cd should work the WIFI and Everything should work so Am wondering to my self will it work when I get into the desktop Experence???? |
| 19:22.53 | abrotman | .... |
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| 19:23.06 | heoa | abrotman: roger I will then switch to debian, hopefully not too big cultural shock :) |
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| 19:23.23 | BitPuffin | systemclient, Seems like this is already built |
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| 19:25.03 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I clicked on download files and dowloaded the source |
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| 19:25.16 | systemclient | BitPuffin: http://sourceforge.net/projects/distrho/files/Source/distrho-20120518.tar.bz2/download |
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| 19:28.03 | BitPuffin | oh |
| 19:28.06 | LibertyTrader | On my rasperry pi I madea .xinitrc file "#!/bin/sh |
| 19:28.06 | LibertyTrader | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.06 | LibertyTrader | " .... I get the error that lxde is not found... anyone know why? |
| 19:28.08 | BitPuffin | but there are prebuilt ones too |
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| 19:28.35 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I mean you can just install the prebuild one on your computer |
| 19:28.42 | xgl_ | hi debian |
| 19:28.45 | systemclient | LibertyTrader: maybe it is not installed |
| 19:28.47 | systemclient | xgl_: hi |
| 19:28.52 | LibertyTrader | It is installed |
| 19:29.06 | xgl_ | hi systemclient |
| 19:29.18 | BitPuffin | systemclient, True, but I don't know where they're supposed to be :) |
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| 19:29.41 | abrotman | LibertyTrader: full path ? |
| 19:30.31 | systemclient | BitPuffin: I have no clue either … maybe you can find something in the readmes? |
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| 19:31.46 | BitPuffin | systemclient, According to a guy in #ardour, they go in /usr/lib/lv2 |
| 19:32.16 | ADMINGTA4 | Okay when I try to login ass root from the login screen it tell me that I cant login as administrator from this screen. How do I login as administrator user? |
| 19:32.20 | LibertyTrader | well apparently the command is startlxde |
| 19:32.24 | LibertyTrader | but it still doesn't load |
| 19:32.35 | LibertyTrader | it only loads the cursor and right click menu |
| 19:32.43 | LibertyTrader | so debian is getting nuked b/c it doesnt work |
| 19:33.38 | systemclient | BitPuffin: you could try that |
| 19:33.40 | evictimizor | I cant find any distro that works out of the box |
| 19:33.54 | systemclient | evictimizor: works with what out of the box? |
| 19:34.06 | systemclient | evictimizor: Ubuntu has pretty good hardware support |
| 19:34.08 | evictimizor | as far as xorg I mean |
| 19:34.32 | systemclient | evictimizor: hmm, so far every distro I tried just worked on my computer … |
| 19:34.37 | systemclient | evictimizor: do you have special hardware? |
| 19:35.03 | evictimizor | nothing special, maybe a little recent but not cutting edge |
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| 19:35.30 | systemclient | evictimizor: I mean how come does xorg does not run? It usually just works … |
| 19:36.20 | evictimizor | I dont know I get kms radeon error , not finding resolution |
| 19:36.31 | ADMINGTA4 | Okay I was wondering how I can get a user in the sudoers file. |
| 19:37.10 | evictimizor | Thought it was because package was not built with support but across several distros, it's just been failure |
| 19:37.14 | nsadmin | has jabber support been removed from pidgin? |
| 19:37.26 | nsadmin | I'm running squeeze |
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| 19:37.53 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7477/how-can-i-add-a-new-user-as-sudoer |
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| 19:38.25 | robin_sz | so, I tried an install of Wheezy and it went fine on install, but gives a screen of digital mush as it enters the "higer res" part of the boto sequence, should I just give up and come back to it later? |
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| 19:39.17 | TheWarden | Hi, I noticed that my Iceweasel installed is version 11.0. How would I find out why its not updating? There is 13.01 I believe out. |
| 19:39.24 | evictimizor | I wish there was an (un)official website showing hardware support for kernel/packages |
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| 19:40.07 | evictimizor | but that would just be spyware |
| 19:40.19 | TheWarden | btw, I'm on Debian Squeeze |
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| 19:40.46 | systemclient | TheWarden: well, the idea of stable is, that the programs do not change that often |
| 19:41.09 | systemclient | TheWarden: if you want the latest software, (which is not that tested), go for testing, unstable or something like Ubuntu |
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| 19:41.51 | tremon | TheWarden: apt-cache policy iceweasel. Also, ask dpkg about mdn |
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| 19:43.15 | TheWarden | systemclient: Oh, I use to get updates once and awhile and it appeared to be keeping up with the version Mozilla Foundation is releasing. I'm setup to use the backports. |
| 19:43.45 | systemclient | TheWarden: okay, backports is another story. Maybe they have not packaged the latest one? |
| 19:44.06 | ADMINGTA4 | I cant go into the sudo visudo it ask for a admin password but it says my user name is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. Can someone tell me how to get around this please. This is a really head act. |
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| 19:44.29 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: you will have to be an admin user in order to use sudo |
| 19:44.31 | TheWarden | well I did what tremon stated and it reported installed 11.0.4 and candidate 13.0.1-1 |
| 19:44.37 | evictimizor | stable still fixes bugs, just no added features right? |
| 19:44.53 | systemclient | evictimizor: that is what I have understood |
| 19:45.05 | TheWarden | so it appears by that there is a newer version but I'm not getting it correct? |
| 19:45.15 | systemclient | TheWarden: you could try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:45.23 | systemclient | TheWarden: maybe iceweasel is held or so |
| 19:45.31 | ADMINGTA4 | systemclient: I knew that already but how do I add a user to the sudoers file. If I cant use the sudo command. |
| 19:45.33 | tremon | TheWarden: in that case, apt-get should either upgrade it or inform you about not upgraded packages |
| 19:45.53 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: only an admin can make another user admin. No way around that |
| 19:46.08 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: other than taking the system apart with a live CD or so |
| 19:46.28 | tremon | ADMINGTA4: if you can't get root, you need to boot single-user |
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| 19:46.31 | TheWarden | systemclient: ahh I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and it reports Iceweasel has been kept back with 1 not upgraded. |
| 19:46.36 | Devastator | TheWarden check http://mozilla.debian.net if didn't already |
| 19:46.43 | systemclient | TheWarden: there you got the answer |
| 19:46.50 | TheWarden | Devastator: thanks I did actually. |
| 19:47.09 | ADMINGTA4 | tremon: How do I do that? |
| 19:47.18 | tremon | an answer is not a solution though. try installing it explicitly, i.e. apt-get install iceweasel=13.0.1-1 |
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| 19:47.34 | TheWarden | systemclient: yes I did thanks. I wonder now, where can I go to follow updates/news/discussion regarding Iceweasel backport? |
| 19:47.56 | TheWarden | tremon: well doesn't that mean that it was kept back for a reason by the team? |
| 19:48.00 | systemclient | ADMINGTA4: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/ |
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| 19:49.06 | tremon | ADMINGTA4: selecting recovery mode will do the same, assuming you did not set a root password |
| 19:49.08 | systemclient | TheWarden: no, you kept it back |
| 19:49.19 | TheWarden | systemclient: what? I didn't tell it to do that. |
| 19:49.25 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 19:49.47 | systemclient | TheWarden: you might have by accident. You should be able to unhold it and then it will be upgraded |
| 19:49.57 | ADMINGTA4 | tremon: I did setup a root password. But it says in the login screen I can login to administrator user. |
| 19:50.28 | tremon | ADMINGTA4: if you know the root password, what's wrong with su - ? |
| 19:51.10 | TheWarden | systemclient: mmm I'm trying but it failed due to broken package dependency. |
| 19:51.11 | ADMINGTA4 | tremon: Thank you so much. But why does it now work with sudo su |
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| 19:51.35 | tremon | ADMINGTA4: because sudo is not configured |
| 19:51.50 | tremon | or not configured correctly |
| 19:51.50 | systemclient | TheWarden: okay, what does it depend on? |
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| 19:51.58 | judgen | tremon, What are you discussing? |
| 19:52.09 | ADMINGTA4 | tremon: How do I Configure it correctly lol:) |
| 19:52.30 | TheWarden | take a look, http://pastie.org/private/09lnzav5jqmluz6fn2agq |
| 19:52.32 | judgen | ADMINGTA4, If you have sudo installed add yourself to the sudoers file in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:52.58 | tremon | ADMINGTA4: man sudoers |
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| 19:53.19 | TheWarden | I do have Iceweasel running right now in able to chat in here. |
| 19:54.09 | tremon | ,v xulrunner-13.0 |
| 19:54.11 | judd | Package: xulrunner-13.0 on i386 -- experimental: 13.0.1-2 |
| 19:54.39 | tremon | TheWarden: can you paste apt-cache policy xulrunner-13.0 |
| 19:55.54 | ADMINGTA4 | Judgen: I am in the etc/sudoers were in the file to I add my user name? |
| 19:56.12 | TheWarden | tremon: http://pastie.org/private/j5jrsm2mgyzh85oimrsg |
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| 19:56.46 | tremon | TheWarden: try apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel |
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| 19:59.56 | TheWarden | mm it appears to have worked. I'll close this down and see if it worked. |
| 19:59.59 | TheWarden | brb |
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| 20:01.02 | Devastator | my dear god, mozilla.debian.net is cake recipe |
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| 20:01.59 | TheWarden | tremon: yes it worked. Thanks so much. I did notice one more thing, 2 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 113 not upgraded. Does that mean I have 113 apps/libraries, etc. that could be upgraded but are not? |
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| 20:04.12 | tremon | TheWarden: that's because of the -t squeeze-backports. We told apt-get to override its idea of "default release", so apt-get was telling you there are 113 other packages in backports. It's better to use backports sparingly though |
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| 20:05.19 | TheWarden | tremon: ahh I see. okay, thanks so much. |
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| 20:06.35 | LtL | ADMINGTA4: user root priveleges add the line `username ALL=(ALL) ALL` below root's entry... use visudo to edit |
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| 20:07.41 | LtL | ADMINGTA4: under root privs line that is. |
| 20:09.06 | robin_sz | so is there anyway to figure out why wheezy is going to a screen of mush? I even tried booting in rescue mode, I get about 5 seconds of the boot coming through, and then dead |
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| 20:09.29 | robin_sz | is there a "dont swtich to gui" option ? |
| 20:10.09 | dvs | robin_sz: Just a guess but try using the "nomodeset" kernel option |
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| 20:10.51 | robin_sz | okies |
| 20:11.51 | robin_sz | i was only trying wheezy as my 'stable' hdd was dying |
| 20:12.02 | robin_sz | i might just clone it and pretend wheezy doesnt exist |
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| 20:51.42 | MachinaeWolf | Is bluetooth defaulty supported or do you have to install some bluetooth drivers/programs? |
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| 20:52.56 | infinity0 | why is aptitude a non-native package? |
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| 20:53.06 | dvs | MachinaeWolf: The driver part should be automatic. I have no idea about the software |
| 20:53.14 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
| 20:53.25 | naiv | I don't use aptitude |
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| 20:55.45 | abrotman | infinity0: what? |
| 20:55.58 | MachinaeWolf | Hmm so is there some commands I should run to connect a phone with bluetooth? |
| 20:56.00 | trysten | abrotman: why is it not included by default |
| 20:56.11 | infinity0 | aptitude is a non-native package, so its version is like <upstream-version>-<debian-revision> |
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| 20:56.26 | infinity0 | rather than dpkg which is just <"upstream"-version> |
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| 20:58.49 | simonlnu | i suppose asking here is easier than to actually email the maintainers |
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| 21:02.42 | simonlnu | MachinaeWolf: something about rfkill .. dunno. try apt-cache search bluetooth |
| 21:03.41 | Guest90559 | Getting message 'GRUB loading
Welcome to GRUB! error: hd0 out of disk. Entering recue mode
grub rescue . What can I do with GRUB rescue to get linux back? |
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| 21:05.52 | erum | mates! how do I save my iptables configuration to come up in the next reboot? |
| 21:06.06 | Diopter | erum: The automatic way is with the "iptables-persistent" package |
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| 21:06.08 | abrotman | erum: iptables-save/iptables-restore |
| 21:06.32 | Diopter | erum: Manually you'll need to write a script and stick it in /etc/rc.local or /etc/network/if-pre-up.d, or similar |
| 21:07.22 | erum | Diopter: nice, thanks, so there is no file where I can edit except for one I write in rc.local |
| 21:07.46 | simonlnu | he didn't say that |
| 21:07.50 | Diopter | erum: Unless you install iptables-persistent, like I said. |
| 21:08.06 | Diopter | erum: In which case it will drop rules.v4 and rules.v6 in /etc/iptables |
| 21:08.20 | erum | nice! |
| 21:08.28 | Diopter | erum: And then you can "service iptables-persistent save" to save the current rules, and when the service starts it will load them |
| 21:08.39 | Diopter | erum: It doesn't, however, auto-save on "stop". By design. |
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| 21:09.57 | erum | when I do iptables-save , does it save on /etc/iptables then? |
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| 21:10.27 | Diopter | No. |
| 21:10.32 | mininessie | how do i download nvidia driver |
| 21:10.40 | Diopter | iptables-save is a command which simply dumps iptables rules to stdout |
| 21:10.49 | Diopter | iptables-restore, likewise, reads rules on stdin and applies them |
| 21:10.55 | erum | OK |
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| 21:11.20 | Diopter | So, again, IF you want to have a service that manages this for you, you install iptables-persistent, and /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent save/load |
| 21:11.22 | Diopter | OR |
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| 21:11.41 | Diopter | You write a script that calls iptables-save/restore, and stick it somewhere that gets triggered automatically on boot or network interface up |
| 21:12.42 | erum | I have installed it, and I have the empty file /etc/iptables/rules, so I just write there as in command line? |
| 21:12.56 | mininessie | how do i download nvidia driver |
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| 21:13.29 | Diopter | erum: No. Do you have any iptables rules already active? |
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| 21:13.38 | mininessie | hello i need help |
| 21:13.41 | erum | no rules yet |
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| 21:13.51 | untrusted | !ask |
| 21:13.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:13.57 | simonlnu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:13.57 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:14.04 | Diopter | erum: Then load some rules, and once you have what you want, "service iptables-persistent save" |
| 21:14.13 | Diopter | erum: That's all you have to do. It's supposed to be easy :P |
| 21:14.33 | erum | OK, sounds neat! |
| 21:14.46 | erum | thanks ;) |
| 21:15.00 | erum | I'll have a good try |
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| 21:16.47 | mininessie | the version i want is 302 or the 295 version is this possible with debain refering to nvidia |
| 21:17.24 | Guest90559 | I used recovery mode and I at initramfs prompt. Any commands I can try here? |
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| 21:18.16 | trysten | Guest90559: yeah any of them. just don't forget the up arrow does not work for bash history :( |
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| 21:20.09 | Diopter | ^P and ^N might work for history |
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| 21:28.00 | erum | Diopter: "service iptables-persistent save" didn't work, I had to do a "iptables save > /etc/iptables/rules" and the "service iptables-persistent restart" worked perfectly fine |
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| 21:28.53 | un214 | CFLAGS=$(CFLAGS) -I../include doesn't work. How to do it then? |
| 21:29.17 | tremon | use quotes? |
| 21:29.17 | Diopter | erum: Maybe you're on Squeeze, and it works differently in the older package |
| 21:29.35 | erum | I am indeed! |
| 21:30.15 | Diopter | erum: Ah. Well, consult the manual, etc |
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| 21:31.00 | erum | I did! ...but without your help it would have taken me at least 30 more minutes! ;) |
| 21:31.27 | Diopter | You're welcome. My rate is $200/hr, so a benjamin will suffice. |
| 21:32.12 | tremon | I'm afraid dpkg only serves beer and coffee, sir |
| 21:32.23 | erum | cheap! :D |
| 21:33.07 | Diopter | ;P |
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| 21:49.56 | kain88 | I want to compile some code that uses ffmpeg. So whats the name of the dev-package for ffmpeg? |
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| 21:53.09 | tremon | kain88: apt-cache showsrc ffmpeg|grep ^Binary |
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| 21:59.24 | kain88 | tremon: g++ still can't find ffmpeg/avcode.h |
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| 22:04.23 | tremon | ,file avcode.h |
| 22:04.30 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:04.50 | tremon | ,file avcodec.h |
| 22:04.56 | judd | Search for avcodec.h in squeeze/i386: libopenh323-dev: usr/include/openh323/rfc2190avcodec.h; libavcodec-dev: usr/include/libavcodec/avcodec.h; libvlccore-dev: usr/include/vlc/plugins/vlc_avcodec.h |
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| 22:05.42 | tremon | ,file include/ffmpeg |
| 22:05.47 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:06.10 | tremon | kain88: fix your source, fafaik debian has never had a /usr/include/ffmpeg directory |
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| 22:08.53 | kain88 | tremon: thanks now it works |
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| 22:35.15 | IRCd | What's the correct procedure for upgrading software compiled from source? |
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| 22:35.24 | IRCd | Assuming a new version has been released. |
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| 22:35.56 | abrotman | ask the people that made the source? |
| 22:36.25 | mw__ | hey, does anyone know what I need to do to get EFI dualbook going on a macbook air, osx/debian? |
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| 22:37.21 | mw__ | I cant seem to get refit going on that machine either |
| 22:37.25 | IRCd | abrotman: I meant if a new version of the source had been released. I'd assume you'd configure it as before, then `make && make install`, or is that wrong? |
| 22:37.26 | Diopter | mw__: EFI booting on a MBA/P is a smidge tricky, but not undoable by any means. |
| 22:37.38 | IRCd | Er, "make clean install". |
| 22:37.41 | Diopter | mw__: I would probably suggest *not* using rEFIt if you're going to do an eFI boot. |
| 22:37.44 | mw__ | Diopter: ah, so i've noticed :D |
| 22:37.55 | Diopter | mw__: It's designed for doing BIOS emulation boots of other OSes |
| 22:38.16 | mw__ | yeah, but I cant get refit to work in the first place, don't know why... |
| 22:38.17 | abrotman | IRCd: that's why you read the changelog/releasenotes/install guide |
| 22:39.11 | Diopter | mw__: So, the main tricky part with an EFI Debian install is that if you use the Debian boot media, none of them have EFI support |
| 22:39.24 | mw__ | I actually wouldnt mind using a bios-emulation boot if I could just get it working... |
| 22:39.29 | mw__ | ah ok |
| 22:39.33 | Diopter | mw__: And if you don't Install from an EFI-booted installer, you can't access the efivars module, and thus efibootmgr won't work |
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| 22:39.54 | Diopter | mw__: Interestingly, the Ubuntu alternate installer can boot in native EFI |
| 22:39.55 | mw__ | ah yeah, recall that ffrom an error message I got :D |
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| 22:40.23 | Diopter | mw__: So you can boot that, tell it you want to "try before installing", then run debootstrap to install debian into your partitions after you format/mount them |
| 22:40.42 | mw__ | haha, awesome! |
| 22:40.44 | Diopter | mw__: That way you don't have to use a Hybrid-MBR, can just add a GPT partition, and mount the existing OSX FAT32 EFI boot partition |
| 22:41.03 | Diopter | But... if you've never debootstrapped before, there's a fair amount of 'cleanup' to do after |
| 22:41.10 | Diopter | Like, y'know, installing a kernel manually :P |
| 22:41.13 | Diopter | And grub-efi-amd64 |
| 22:41.19 | mw__ | ah, hahah... |
| 22:41.24 | tremon | mw__: I recently managed to efi-boot my new machine with debian, but that wasn't a mac |
| 22:41.44 | tremon | I did use refind, a cleaned-up version of refit for non-macs |
| 22:42.05 | Diopter | I'm on a 13" late 2011 (8,1) MBP right now |
| 22:42.11 | Diopter | Debian EFI, no dual-boot |
| 22:42.18 | mw__ | all I want to do is getting rid of osx on my work machine... :D |
| 22:42.30 | tremon | the debian kernels do have their efi-stub enabled, so if you can manage to get an efi shell, you can manually boot a debian kernel from there and then use efibootmgr |
| 22:42.54 | Diopter | mw__: Exactly why I did it. |
| 22:43.09 | tremon | I used this guide: http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/ (also happens to be the author of refind) |
| 22:44.16 | mw__ | I think I'll give the ubutnu/debootstrap a go, and see where that takes me :D |
| 22:44.23 | mw__ | thanks for that pointer! |
| 22:44.36 | Diopter | mw__: If you need any help, I'm extremely familiar with the process and the "what's missing" part |
| 22:45.13 | mw__ | Diopter: thanks! |
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| 22:45.27 | Diopter | Yarp |
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| 22:46.00 | Diopter | Just make sure you can "modprobe efivars" after booting, to make sure you got the right installer, etc |
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| 22:46.36 | Diopter | (Hold down the option key during boot to pick the USB/CD you put it on from the Mac's EFI loader) |
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| 23:01.01 | mw__ | oh, the ubutnu-installer is kinda neat... |
| 23:01.22 | Diopter | mw__: The new one? In the GUI? |
| 23:01.36 | mw__ | so is of course the debian one, just a bit overwhelmed with both of these, been installing arch for the last two years :) |
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| 23:01.58 | mw__ | yeah, somekind of cursees-like gui at least |
| 23:02.15 | Diopter | Curses-like sounds like the debian-installer :) |
| 23:02.24 | Diopter | The new GTK one is casper. |
| 23:02.35 | Diopter | So the former is really that the debian-installer is kinda neat. Which it is! |
| 23:02.36 | mw__ | yeah, it's really similar... but purple |
| 23:02.43 | mw__ | haha |
| 23:02.45 | mw__ | for sure! |
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| 23:03.02 | abrotman | mw__: are you installing ubuntu or Debian ? |
| 23:03.28 | AndroidUser330 | Hello |
| 23:04.14 | Diopter | abrotman: Debian, but with native EFI, which requires some boot media that can boot native EFI |
| 23:04.31 | Diopter | abrotman: Ubuntu can, and gives you access to debootstrap, for installing Debian |
| 23:04.39 | abrotman | wheezy can't? |
| 23:05.15 | dondelelcaro | wheezy will be able to; I'm not sure if it can right now |
| 23:05.27 | dondelelcaro | there's not a whole lot of EFI hardware around at this point in time, though |
| 23:05.33 | AndroidUser330 | In my opinion ubuntu with unity is a big fail, performance too |
| 23:05.41 | abrotman | don't all macs in the last two years have EFI ? |
| 23:05.44 | dondelelcaro | but Ubuntu isn't really on topic here |
| 23:05.53 | Diopter | abrotman: Yes. |
| 23:05.54 | abrotman | AndroidUser330: this is #debian, if you want to talk about Ubuntu, use #ubuntu |
| 23:06.14 | abrotman | Debian doesn't even have Unity |
| 23:06.20 | abrotman | (the software) |
| 23:06.27 | Diopter | abrotman: I haven't been able to get Wheezy to (testing d-i, that is) |
| 23:06.41 | Diopter | abrotman: But perhaps there's a particular testing installer image that can I just didn't find |
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| 23:07.27 | miomol | I'm responded to a abrotman question. |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | i didn't ask you a question |
| 23:10.11 | miomol | Okay, sorry. My bad |
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| 23:18.33 | BerMeJo | hi all |
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| 23:20.15 | BerMeJo | I'm having problems with iceweasel, I can't find support in google. Someone could help me? -> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LaVNUVVm |
| 23:23.49 | dvs | BerMeJo: Upgrade to the latest Iceweasel |
| 23:24.25 | BerMeJo | dvs: I did aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 23:24.32 | BerMeJo | I think I have last one |
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| 23:25.29 | cactusbin | Hello, I am having trouble with power management on my debian squeeze laptop, I cannot get suspend or shutdown to work, I am forced to manually shutdown by holding the power button |
| 23:25.56 | BerMeJo | dvs: I did aptitude install iceweasel/unstable too |
| 23:26.26 | dvs | BerMeJo: Put "about:" in the URL line and see what version it is. |
| 23:26.46 | BerMeJo | dvs it is not possible open iceweasel |
| 23:27.13 | BerMeJo | neither other web navigator, I'm under links |
| 23:27.16 | BerMeJo | :S |
| 23:27.41 | dvs | BerMeJo: Oh, you're running the extended support version. |
| 23:29.30 | dvs | !tell BerMeJo about mdn |
| 23:29.36 | dvs | That's the latest version |
| 23:29.57 | craigevil | cactusbin: make sure your user is in the powerdev group |
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| 23:31.16 | cactusbin | craigevil: it is |
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| 23:35.15 | BerMeJo | xulrunner-13 |
| 23:35.33 | BerMeJo | same problem |
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