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| 00:06.23 | Frogec | have a problem with flash player |
| 00:06.25 | Frogec | so |
| 00:06.32 | Frogec | i need some help |
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| 00:06.47 | abrotman | so |
| 00:06.49 | sney | !ask |
| 00:06.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | ask your question |
| 00:06.56 | dvs | looks for his crystal ball |
| 00:07.04 | sney | puts on his mind-reading hat |
| 00:07.16 | abrotman | gets the scalpel |
| 00:07.22 | dvs | calls Professor X |
| 00:07.48 | ManoftheSea | Frogec: flash player isn't free software. We all have a problem with it. |
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| 00:08.15 | abrotman | it's free, not Free |
| 00:08.43 | Diopter | ^ |
| 00:08.48 | Diopter | Free as in beer, not as in speech |
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| 00:09.21 | Frogec | i`ve tryed many of them and still have the same problem, `adult` sites can`t work |
| 00:09.47 | ManoftheSea | ah, yes... I have that problem too. |
| 00:09.49 | abrotman | Frogec: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so .. points at what? |
| 00:10.11 | Frogec | that was problem on ubuntu 12.04 LTS, 11.04, and now on debian |
| 00:10.18 | ManoftheSea | Frogec: check out nomnom |
| 00:10.25 | Frogec | noone can fix it |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | or don't answer ... |
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| 00:10.49 | ManoftheSea | nomnom takes a "flash site" url, like youtube.com/xyz, and gives you a file.flv |
| 00:11.00 | stew | Frogec: adobe should be able to |
| 00:11.15 | ManoftheSea | sites could use html5, too. |
| 00:11.15 | djdduty_ | I am having network problems, hmm |
| 00:11.19 | Frogec | abortman i give up of mozzila |
| 00:11.21 | ManoftheSea | Flash could die in a fire, that'd fix it. |
| 00:11.32 | abrotman | Frogec: that doesn't answer the question |
| 00:11.44 | djdduty_ | tooks 3 hours to download base system yesterday from installer, and now it is being slow just installing anything, could it be my mirror? |
| 00:11.58 | Diopter | djdduty_: Most likely. Or the network paths between you and your mirror. |
| 00:12.04 | Diopter | djdduty_: Try speedtest.net or something? |
| 00:12.20 | Frogec | stew adobe can`t help me |
| 00:12.23 | dvs | or cdn.debian.net |
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| 00:12.28 | Frogec | java 7 also |
| 00:12.53 | Diopter | dvs: Is that a CDN package mirror? :D |
| 00:13.03 | Frogec | i`m trying to find somebody with the same problem |
| 00:13.10 | Diopter | Holy crap it is! |
| 00:13.12 | dvs | Diopter: I wish! ;-P |
| 00:13.14 | ManoftheSea | Frogec: the problem that flash doesn't work well on linux? |
| 00:13.20 | ManoftheSea | We ALL have that problem. |
| 00:13.26 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: not helping |
| 00:13.29 | abrotman | Frogec: are you going to answer me ? |
| 00:13.39 | stew | Frogec: if adobe can't help you with flash problems, then who possibly can? |
| 00:13.50 | ManoftheSea | sorry, abrotman, I didn't see your question. |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | I didn't ask one |
| 00:14.44 | abrotman | not of you anyway |
| 00:14.52 | Frogec | abortman usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so |
| 00:15.02 | Frogec | this is what i get |
| 00:15.06 | abrotman | Frogec: and your browser is .. epiphany? |
| 00:15.23 | Frogec | at this moment google chrome |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | can chrome use gnash ? (/me doesn't use chrome) |
| 00:15.48 | stew | ah, it gnash |
| 00:15.51 | kevlarman | chromium probably can |
| 00:15.59 | kevlarman | since it uses the firefox flash plugin |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | Frogec: have you tried lightspark instead of gnash ? |
| 00:16.10 | kevlarman | chrome comes with its own adobe flash |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | isn't sure if one is better than the other |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | kevlarman: does chromium ? |
| 00:16.28 | kevlarman | nope |
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| 00:16.31 | Frogec | abortman no |
| 00:16.39 | kevlarman | abortman? does he have brothers named retryman and continueman? |
| 00:16.39 | abrotman | Frogec: does it have an "about:plugins" ? |
| 00:16.40 | Frogec | i think so... |
| 00:16.48 | abrotman | kevlarman: abro<tab> |
| 00:17.05 | kevlarman | abrotman: yeah that's why i found it funny |
| 00:17.09 | abrotman | ugh .. nevermind .. i see |
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| 00:17.22 | Frogec | abortman yes |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | Frogec: abro<tab> |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | Frogec: and what plugins is it using ? |
| 00:17.46 | djdduty_ | hmm, also I cannot access visudo any idea why? |
| 00:17.53 | djdduty_ | command not found |
| 00:18.02 | kevlarman | djdduty_: do you have sudo installed? |
| 00:18.04 | stew | djdduty_: is the sudo package installed? |
| 00:18.17 | djdduty_ | kevlarman: yes, sudo works but I cannot use it |
| 00:18.32 | kevlarman | how are you running visudo? |
| 00:18.39 | djdduty_ | sudo the command, works like it should, asks for a password and such |
| 00:18.48 | stew | djdduty_: does /usr/sbin/visudo work? |
| 00:18.59 | djdduty_ | by typing visudo... |
| 00:19.00 | Frogec | abortman now i`m using adobe |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | Frogec: A B R O T M A N |
| 00:19.14 | gotmynick | sudo visudo |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | doesn't get it ... |
| 00:19.19 | djdduty_ | ah, there, but permission denied |
| 00:19.22 | Diopter | djdduty_: You need root privileges to change sudo access for root privileges. |
| 00:19.22 | Frogec | njah |
| 00:19.28 | stew | djdduty_: you have to be root to run visudo |
| 00:19.29 | Diopter | djdduty_: So naturally, "visudo" won't be in your user's path. |
| 00:19.31 | djdduty_ | =/ |
| 00:19.43 | djdduty_ | Diopter: yes but I cannot log into root for some odd reason |
| 00:19.45 | Diopter | djdduty_: Otherwise, anyone without sudo access could just grant it to themselves :P |
| 00:19.48 | Frogec | i see it now :) |
| 00:19.52 | Frogec | abrotman: |
| 00:19.53 | Frogec | :) |
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| 00:19.58 | djdduty_ | I understand this |
| 00:19.59 | Diopter | djdduty_: Fun. Might need to init=/bin/bash on reboot |
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| 00:20.27 | djdduty_ | hmm, how do I kill gnome so I can have just terminal access? |
| 00:20.42 | tharkun | abrotman: Something wrong with your CAPS ? |
| 00:20.48 | tharkun | hides |
| 00:21.00 | ManoftheSea | djdduty_: permenently? cause you can service stop gdm3 |
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| 00:22.48 | jagginess | tharkun, adobe is closed source. ADOBE. :) |
| 00:22.52 | trysten | abort, man! |
| 00:23.49 | tharkun | jagginess: I've heard adobe is like bricks but they don't get heated in a special oven :) |
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| 00:27.44 | ManoftheSea | Frogec: have you looked at nomnom? |
| 00:28.05 | Frogec | i forgot that |
| 00:28.15 | ManoftheSea | or quvi, on which it depends? |
| 00:28.45 | Frogec | wait |
| 00:28.49 | ManoftheSea | then you don't need to rely on a broser, and you can save the videos |
| 00:28.59 | Frogec | what is nomnom? |
| 00:29.09 | Frogec | or quvi? |
| 00:29.20 | ManoftheSea | qt wrapper around flash-downloader cli program/library |
| 00:30.40 | jagginess | sounds like he's a fat potato chip guy happy with his flash working.. |
| 00:30.46 | jagginess | nomnom |
| 00:30.53 | ManoftheSea | indeed. |
| 00:31.06 | ManoftheSea | nomnom, this is delicious adult video that I've now downloaded for later. |
| 00:31.49 | Frogec | hm |
| 00:32.03 | ManoftheSea | so I guess clive or cclive are cli programs around libquvi |
| 00:32.08 | ManoftheSea | which do the same thing. |
| 00:32.21 | Frogec | tnx for help |
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| 00:46.47 | konard | Is there any thing in Debian for Direct Wifi? |
| 00:47.33 | ManoftheSea | ad-hoc mode? |
| 00:47.52 | konard | Its that but more. |
| 00:48.38 | konard | Samsung Galaxy S2 has it. Can transfer file between 2 phones, like Bluetooth, but faster and with longer reach. |
| 00:49.07 | civillian | sounds like... hmm what's that term ManoftheSea, ad-hoc???? |
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| 00:49.56 | konard | Yes, its based on ad-hoc mode. |
| 00:49.58 | dsheets | I am installing wheezy netinst as a xen guest. How do I make the install use grub-legacy instead of grub-pc? |
| 00:50.02 | ManoftheSea | civillian: it's ad-hoc, but the first thing they agree on is that one of them is an AP |
| 00:50.09 | ManoftheSea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Direct |
| 00:50.32 | konard | Yeah, soft AP, no need router. |
| 00:51.25 | konard | I hope Debian will have offer it soon. |
| 00:52.31 | konard | bye. |
| 00:52.42 | ManoftheSea | ok... |
| 00:53.13 | ManoftheSea | this wiki page is written like an ad. |
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| 00:59.31 | djdduty | ok |
| 00:59.40 | djdduty | I still cannot access visudo =/ |
| 01:00.00 | djdduty | and even though I added my user to sudo group, I cannot use sudo commands, odd, so I figure I need to enable it in visudo |
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| 01:01.19 | dvs | djdduty: log out and back in again? |
| 01:01.31 | djdduty | Ill try as soon as my packages finish |
| 01:01.54 | djdduty | I dislike apt =/ I am going to have to write a script that lets me enter pacman commands and translates them to apt ^_^ |
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| 01:03.36 | Diopter | djdduty: I used to use Arch, and I made aliases for my package management needs. When I started using Debian for work, I made equivalents |
| 01:03.59 | Diopter | djdduty: https://github.com/Apsu/dotfiles/blob/master/.zshrc#L110 is where they start if you're curious |
| 01:04.03 | djdduty | arch is my favourite |
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| 01:04.07 | djdduty | I just put debian on my laptop |
| 01:04.17 | djdduty | audio isn't working though |
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| 01:04.33 | Diopter | djdduty: Make sure you're in the audio group |
| 01:04.41 | Diopter | That one's easy to miss and super frustrating to figure out :) |
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| 01:04.47 | djdduty | I am |
| 01:04.51 | djdduty | I checked all that already |
| 01:04.53 | Diopter | mm |
| 01:06.47 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 01:06.47 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 01:07.23 | amdgoon_ | Diopter: have you seen the pacman rosetta stone webpage? Very helpful is you know what to do in pacman and not other package managers. |
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| 01:08.02 | jagginess | reads text as if pacman eats apt.. scratches head and looks at the yellow video game charcter |
| 01:08.15 | ManoftheSea | wakka wakka |
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| 01:08.52 | Diopter | amdgoon_: I have actually. I found it useful once upon a time. |
| 01:08.57 | jagginess | djdduty, wait a minute.. you're using arch! lol.. that's why visudo ain't working!! lol |
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| 01:09.55 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:09.57 | Diopter | jagginess: whutchoo talkin' bout, Willis? Because Arch uses %wheel? |
| 01:10.02 | jagginess | wait.. that's Diopter! lol |
| 01:10.10 | dvs | !next |
| 01:10.11 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:10.11 | Diopter | wait! I'm not using Arch! |
| 01:10.16 | Diopter | Not anymore :P |
| 01:10.17 | jagginess | nomnoms |
| 01:10.26 | ManoftheSea | wait, isn't this debian? Is arch debian? |
| 01:10.40 | ManoftheSea | Was it named for a hoopy frood and his girlfriend-at-the-time? |
| 01:10.54 | jagginess | nah.. it's weird to call apt through pacman.. that's only confusing.. |
| 01:11.07 | Diopter | Argalon and Chandramal, of course |
| 01:11.26 | ManoftheSea | may their love burn forever |
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| 01:11.28 | abrotman | notes there is a #debian-offtopic |
| 01:11.49 | ManoftheSea | is there! |
| 01:12.01 | jagginess | "<djdduty> I dislike apt =/ I am going to have to write a script that lets me enter pacman commands and translates them to apt ^_^" |
| 01:12.08 | Diopter | abrotman: Every time I join I just end up getting offtopic. It's so distracting ;P |
| 01:12.25 | jagginess | you two characters are confusing.. |
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| 01:13.21 | ManoftheSea | who? The lensman and the brother of reset and continue? |
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| 01:15.27 | sneex | what exactly is kFreeBSD ? A Debian FreeBSD spin? |
| 01:15.38 | jagginess | thinks he can make something better than ucf+apt+pacman as an upstream project.. after looking into eximchaos |
| 01:16.02 | abrotman | sneex: the Debian package system on top of a bsd kernel |
| 01:16.14 | jagginess | exim configuration sucks (even debian's exim-update conf scripts very lacking), gonna see if i can contribute something |
| 01:16.48 | ManoftheSea | not a "spin" |
| 01:16.59 | ManoftheSea | sneex: according to some, it's a toy OS |
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| 01:17.02 | sneex | k ... I am aboput to find out -- alomost done burning |
| 01:17.10 | sneex | about* |
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| 01:18.15 | sneex | freebsd isn't a toy but we'll see |
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| 01:18.49 | engla | kfreebsd-i386 is a debian arch |
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| 01:19.08 | ManoftheSea | no systemd |
| 01:19.20 | sneex | i hope I got the i386 version; not a lot of test boxes left |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | sneex: use a VM ? |
| 01:19.38 | sneex | nope |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:19.45 | sneex | lappy |
| 01:19.56 | ManoftheSea | 'fun' will ensue |
| 01:20.05 | sneex | Old toshiba ... if that works we are good lol |
| 01:20.39 | sneex | I'm an OS junkie |
| 01:20.49 | ManoftheSea | do you have a plan9 box? |
| 01:21.09 | sneex | somethings I have to just say no |
| 01:21.19 | ManoftheSea | aw. |
| 01:21.25 | ManoftheSea | But it came from bell labs. |
| 01:21.25 | engla | also don't forget about debian/hurd |
| 01:21.34 | ManoftheSea | oh, was that the toy OS? |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: we have a #debian-offtopic |
| 01:21.39 | ManoftheSea | I forget who said it. |
| 01:21.40 | sneex | hurd I gave up on long ago >< |
| 01:21.46 | Diopter | Yo dawg, I hurd u liek kernels |
| 01:21.59 | sneex | lol |
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| 01:24.06 | Lis | Hello everyone. I use gdm3 with debian testing and want to execute command automatically after login. I tried the file .xsession but that does not work. What is the right was to execute user specific commands after logging in? |
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| 01:24.40 | abrotman | Lis: that's the correct file usually |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | Lis: what are you choosing from GDM3 ? |
| 01:25.02 | stew | Lis: that will work with gdm3 only if you use the "default session" instead of selecting a de/wm as the session type. if you are selecting a de/wm, you should configure the de/wm to doit |
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| 01:25.48 | Lis | Ah ok. And could I set another wm as default? So that I do not need to modify the wm configuration? |
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| 01:27.23 | stew | Lis: yes, but if you have a .xsession and use "default session" then it won't matter what the default wm is. whatever is in your .xsession is what is going to get started |
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| 01:28.32 | djdduty_ | hmmm |
| 01:28.40 | djdduty_ | debian doesn't seem to support my wireless card? |
| 01:28.59 | dvs | which one, EXACTLY |
| 01:29.37 | Lis | djdduty_: Well that depends what type of wireless card you own :D try lspci |
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| 01:30.08 | djdduty_ | network controller, and ethernet controller |
| 01:30.15 | dvs | ... |
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| 01:30.34 | djdduty_ | network controller realtek 802.11b/g/n wifi adapter... =/ |
| 01:30.45 | djdduty_ | but I cannot seem to use it to connect to any networks D: |
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| 01:30.53 | ManoftheSea | do you have firmware for it? |
| 01:30.58 | ManoftheSea | You might have to look in non-free |
| 01:31.13 | dvs | djdduty_: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | djdduty_: lspci -nn |
| 01:31.26 | ManoftheSea | in which case, it isn't "supported". |
| 01:31.30 | ManoftheSea | just provided. |
| 01:32.07 | djdduty_ | dvs: what am I looking for with this, same exact thing as normal lspci |
| 01:32.23 | dvs | djdduty_: The thing in the square brackets |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | djdduty_: we have to know the device before we can tell you if it's supported |
| 01:32.33 | djdduty_ | oh |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: it is supported if it has firmware |
| 01:32.50 | ManoftheSea | non-free is supported? |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | the device is supported |
| 01:32.57 | djdduty_ | realtek simiconductor co., ltd. rtl8188ce 802.11b/g/n wifi adapter |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | !tell djdduty_ about rtl8188ce |
| 01:33.22 | djdduty_ | =/ |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | djdduty_: so yes, you have a firmware package to get |
| 01:33.34 | jagginess | i think he's gonna have to use backports |
| 01:33.48 | dvs | and a new kernel |
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| 01:33.55 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-realtek |
| 01:33.56 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.36; wheezy/non-free: 0.36 |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | awesome |
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| 01:35.20 | sneex | may have to stay with plain ol debian for the install file encrytion |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | sneex: there is a kfreebsd channel on oftc if you have questions about it |
| 01:36.18 | sneex | k\ |
| 01:36.32 | djdduty_ | abrotman: so, what package do I need D: |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | djdduty_: you're going to have to use backports.debian.org, get the kernel, and get the firmware package |
| 01:37.06 | abrotman | !tell djdduty_ about bpo |
| 01:37.06 | dvs | djdduty_: and download files from realtek |
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| 01:38.13 | djdduty_ | =/ why don't I just get an unstable release? xD |
| 01:38.50 | dvs | djdduty_: Because you would have a whole lot more problems |
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| 01:39.33 | sneex | hmmm doesn't want to nuke the encrytped parts that are already there :P oh well |
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| 01:42.07 | TommyC | Hello, I was just curious as to what debian will be doing with future releases since udev's source tree has now been merged with systemd (and ofc systemd is linux-only so debian/kFreeBSD would have problems)? |
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| 01:44.06 | abrotman | TommyC: doesn't freebsd have a udev alternative ? |
| 01:45.41 | TommyC | abrotman: They use devd (or something like that) I believe. |
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| 01:45.48 | djdduty_ | ммм |
| 01:46.03 | djdduty_ | trying to add backports, but updates gives me this... |
| 01:46.12 | djdduty | http://pastebin.com/AjSb7HVt |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | TommyC: so why not keep doing that ? |
| 01:46.40 | abrotman | djdduty_: do you think maybe you misspelled squeeze on that line ? |
| 01:46.53 | dvs | djdduty: because you can't spell "squeeze"? |
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| 01:47.02 | djdduty_ | looks |
| 01:47.04 | djdduty_ | oh crap |
| 01:47.05 | sneex | cheeze |
| 01:47.06 | djdduty_ | heh |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | chezze in this case |
| 01:47.15 | sneex | lol |
| 01:47.25 | djdduty_ | people who ask before they look |
| 01:47.38 | TommyC | abrotman: My concern isn't about debian/kFreeBSD version specifically, but if Debian doesn't adopt it then it'll be missing from newer Debian Linux versions, which is why I'm wondering how those will handle it. |
| 01:47.39 | dvs | ^ |
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| 01:48.10 | abrotman | TommyC: i'd guess they'll adopt it .. have you checked the debian-devel mailing list to see if they discuss it, or maybe debian-kernel ? |
| 01:48.14 | djdduty_ | english is shitty language |
| 01:48.23 | djdduty_ | I would spell it sqez personally |
| 01:48.25 | trysten | so i put a script in /etc/grub.d/09_woot and made it e+xecutable but when i update-grub it does not give me the echo that's in the script :( |
| 01:48.29 | djdduty_ | or skez |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | djdduty_: still wouldn't fix your typing |
| 01:48.43 | trysten | laughs at abrotmans joke |
| 01:48.48 | djdduty_ | him, still getting that last error |
| 01:48.50 | TommyC | abrotman: Hmm, not yet. I'll go google for it with "systemd" added. |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | djdduty_: check it again |
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| 01:49.07 | djdduty_ | about /var/lib/dpkg |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | djdduty_: is someone else using dpkg/apt ? |
| 01:49.58 | djdduty_ | not that I know of... this is the only thing running, here Ill check and terminate |
| 01:50.17 | djdduty_ | yeah, synaptic was stuck open =/ |
| 01:50.24 | djdduty_ | but I couldn't see it -.- |
| 01:50.35 | trysten | quips a tiny derp |
| 01:50.44 | djdduty_ | I derp much |
| 01:51.15 | sneex | boot it ng to the recue :P |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | djdduty_: working now ? |
| 01:51.46 | djdduty_ | yeh it worked |
| 01:51.51 | djdduty_ | should probably sleep |
| 01:52.03 | djdduty_ | wants to fix this |
| 01:52.32 | djdduty_ | so, which packages did you say I needed, kernel and realtek firmware? |
| 01:52.42 | dvs | the web page says so |
| 01:54.32 | djdduty | I do not know the package names =/ |
| 01:54.41 | djdduty | website has a search feature though, how useful |
| 01:55.22 | abrotman | djdduty_: what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:55.39 | abrotman | and did you see what the bot told you? |
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| 01:56.17 | dvs | djdduty_: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
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| 01:56.36 | djdduty | 2.6.32 |
| 01:56.38 | yazdmich | how easy would it be to ditch GNOME (or whatever GUI debian installs by default) and install a full version of xfce? |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | djdduty_: what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:56.56 | djdduty | yazdmich: easy |
| 01:57.02 | sneex | yep |
| 01:57.06 | abrotman | yazdmich: aptitude install xfce4 ; aptitude remove gnome |
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| 01:57.11 | djdduty | abrotman: just told you http://pastebin.com/grqNYSyS |
| 01:57.14 | sneex | ^ |
| 01:57.28 | yazdmich | i mean full xfce with all the bells and whistles |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | djdduty: no, that is NOT the output of that command |
| 01:57.48 | djdduty | oh -r |
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| 01:57.51 | ManoftheSea | yazdmich: xfce-desktop? |
| 01:57.52 | djdduty | for some reason though -a |
| 01:57.56 | djdduty | xD |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | djdduty: the output of uname -r is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 01:58.02 | yazdmich | i guess? |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | which is included in uname -a |
| 01:58.13 | djdduty | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | djdduty: we don't ask specific questions to get vague answers ... |
| 01:58.48 | djdduty | sorry |
| 01:58.54 | djdduty | I am a vague person =/ |
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| 01:59.16 | abrotman | djdduty: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-realtek |
| 02:00.30 | jagginess | yazdmich, on linux you can have multiple desktoptype selections from the logon screen |
| 02:00.37 | djdduty | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:01.07 | silverarrow | hi |
| 02:01.19 | dvs | abrotman: he still needs to download firmware from realtek |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | dvs: what's wrong with the firmware-realtek from bpo ? |
| 02:01.46 | silverarrow | does anybody know about the gnome-mplayer-gecko setup for fireifox and mozilla browsers? |
| 02:02.09 | dvs | abrotman: nothing. more firmware is necessary |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | dvs: yay realtek |
| 02:02.37 | silverarrow | I am trying to find solutions for media players in browser for ppc iso |
| 02:02.41 | dvs | no kidding\ |
| 02:02.47 | kevlarman | is there an easy way for me to install a newer or older driver without going behind dpkg's back? |
| 02:02.52 | kevlarman | 295.59 is pretty broken |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | kevlarman: why not force-downgrade ? |
| 02:03.53 | kevlarman | abrotman: there's over 9000 packages for me to track down to do that |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 02:04.13 | ManoftheSea | kevlarman: of nvidia? |
| 02:04.26 | ManoftheSea | what is 295? |
| 02:04.31 | kevlarman | abrotman: not my fault debian decided to split what should have been 3 packages into 15 |
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| 02:04.47 | kevlarman | (32 bit userspace, 64 bit userspace, and kernel modules) |
| 02:04.52 | djdduty_ | couldn't find package or description matched "firware-realtek"... |
| 02:04.59 | djdduty_ | firmware* |
| 02:05.18 | kevlarman | abrotman: also a 302 driver would be preferable due to xrandr support |
| 02:05.25 | dvs | djdduty_: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Squeeze |
| 02:05.50 | kevlarman | ManoftheSea: yes nvidia's blob |
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| 02:08.19 | silverarrow | are there any debian guys with an old iBook? |
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| 02:09.18 | abrotman | G3 ? |
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| 02:10.01 | sneex | <> |
| 02:10.34 | djdduty_ | hmmm odd |
| 02:10.53 | djdduty_ | nevermind |
| 02:11.09 | silverarrow | G4 |
| 02:11.35 | djdduty_ | brightness went way down D: |
| 02:11.40 | djdduty_ | weird |
| 02:11.40 | silverarrow | iBook G4, 1.5 RAM and 1.42GHz |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | silverarrow: there's a #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:12.30 | silverarrow | I am hoping some are still developing browser plugins for ppc |
| 02:12.41 | silverarrow | thanks abrotman |
| 02:14.11 | silverarrow | the white ibooks should still run with an light os |
| 02:16.00 | djdduty_ | huh |
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| 02:16.05 | djdduty_ | refuses to install wireless-tools |
| 02:16.52 | dvs | why? |
| 02:17.00 | dvs | (this is where details come in) |
| 02:17.06 | simonlnu | silverarrow: there is no flash (from adobe), only the open source stuffs |
| 02:17.15 | djdduty_ | it does not give an error |
| 02:17.25 | djdduty_ | just says 0 to be updated 0 to be installed 0 to be removed |
| 02:17.31 | Diopter | djdduty_: Then you've already got it installed. |
| 02:17.32 | djdduty_ | so I assume it is installed, yes? |
| 02:17.36 | djdduty_ | but iwconfig does not exist |
| 02:17.45 | Diopter | djdduty_: Are you running it without sudo again? |
| 02:17.55 | djdduty_ | with sudo |
| 02:17.57 | dvs | djdduty_: This it's installed |
| 02:18.06 | dvs | Then it's installed |
| 02:18.14 | djdduty_ | =/ |
| 02:18.16 | simonlnu | silverarrow: fyi, you can run just about anything you want on that thing, and run nicely |
| 02:18.19 | Diopter | djdduty_: dpkg -L <package> |
| 02:18.32 | abrotman | it's not in his path |
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| 02:19.45 | simonlnu | only "fault" that thing would have is not being dual-core/cpu, but it's certainly zippy enough. |
| 02:19.56 | djdduty_ | now ftp.drink is refuses to connect |
| 02:20.01 | djdduty_ | grr, stop hating me software |
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| 02:20.15 | bo | call of duty |
| 02:20.46 | silverarrow | simonlnu: I have been trying mplayer-gecko setup to work for days noe, and the same with gnash and lightspark |
| 02:20.50 | simonlnu | damn, i didn't get a chance to say "no, Debian" |
| 02:21.14 | simonlnu | mozplugger |
| 02:21.56 | silverarrow | simonlnu: I struggel majorly with mediaplayer in browser |
| 02:22.06 | simonlnu | mozplugger |
| 02:22.24 | silverarrow | simonlnu: is it for lubuntu 12.04? |
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| 02:22.52 | simonlnu | won't solve the flash crap, but it's more reliable than mplayer-gecko |
| 02:22.55 | djdduty_ | and... it still isn't in the list |
| 02:22.56 | djdduty_ | fml |
| 02:23.02 | silverarrow | -my ibook is still very nice to work with |
| 02:23.03 | simonlnu | this is *debian* |
| 02:23.37 | silverarrow | yeah, lubuntu is debian i think, |
| 02:23.40 | abrotman | no |
| 02:23.47 | silverarrow | it isn`t? |
| 02:23.49 | silverarrow | oh |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | not even close |
| 02:23.56 | simonlnu | no, it isn't |
| 02:24.14 | silverarrow | that is why I chose lubuntu in the first place, hmm |
| 02:24.34 | silverarrow | i came to the right place at least |
| 02:24.35 | djdduty_ | hmmm |
| 02:24.36 | djdduty_ | =/ |
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| 02:25.18 | silverarrow | well, yes, because I thought it was built on basic debian packages and compatibility |
| 02:25.32 | silverarrow | I was told so at least |
| 02:25.49 | dvs | !based on debian |
| 02:25.49 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | it may be, but it is not Debian |
| 02:26.22 | djdduty_ | abrotman: this sucks xD |
| 02:26.43 | silverarrow | that means, I might have to burn a debian CD right away |
| 02:26.44 | djdduty_ | dvs: I did all the shit in the wiki, and it still doesn't work |
| 02:26.45 | djdduty_ | =/ |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | djdduty_: "doesn't work" isn't informative |
| 02:27.09 | dvs | djdduty_: uname -r |
| 02:27.26 | djdduty_ | 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 02:27.27 | pparadis | abrotman: it must sit on the couch all day. amirite? |
| 02:27.38 | abrotman | probably |
| 02:28.05 | sneex | >< |
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| 02:28.56 | silverarrow | would you recommend any special iso for an ibook G4? |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | the powerpc one ? |
| 02:29.25 | djdduty_ | wtf |
| 02:29.30 | silverarrow | I am rather new at debian, considering I have only worked with lubuntu, ubuntu, and puppy linux |
| 02:29.32 | sneex | i hear ultrasparc is real nice |
| 02:29.35 | silverarrow | and a bit of fedora |
| 02:29.36 | djdduty_ | realtek provides linux drivers for kernel 2.6.32 you trolls |
| 02:29.46 | silverarrow | abrotman: yes, for the powerpc |
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| 02:30.12 | silverarrow | abrotman: it is still a very nice laptop considering |
| 02:31.16 | silverarrow | it is the last ibook model from 2005, |
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| 02:31.36 | silverarrow | the macbooks are even nicer though |
| 02:31.37 | djdduty_ | http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=278&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#2722 |
| 02:32.33 | simonlnu | silverarrow: there is no "special iso", you just use the powerpc one. |
| 02:32.47 | silverarrow | I see |
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| 02:33.20 | silverarrow | simonlnu: one last question befor I jump into it, is there a gui for the install process? |
| 02:33.21 | Leisu | "I knew the circ scar meant bad news, but I didn't think about and and had no idea of what circumcision was. After all, who would cut my genitals, and why would my parents allow it?" |
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| 02:33.47 | silverarrow | simonlnu: I`m sort of fearing a black terminal with tons of sudos |
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| 02:34.30 | silverarrow | debian ppc is sort of dormant |
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| 02:37.19 | simonlnu | silverarrow: the installer is very simple. you can choose which one just before it's started |
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| 02:40.52 | silverarrow | it might be something I can manage |
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| 02:41.11 | djdduty_ | where is the build-essentials package? |
| 02:41.18 | djdduty_ | I cannot seem to get it =/ |
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| 02:41.55 | dvs | details details |
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| 02:42.00 | djdduty_ | nevermind |
| 02:42.02 | djdduty_ | no s |
| 02:42.11 | djdduty_ | build-essential not essentials |
| 02:42.12 | djdduty_ | xD |
| 02:42.31 | silverarrow | lol, i know that one djdduty |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | djdduty_: do you know about 'apt-cache search' ? |
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| 02:45.13 | djdduty_ | hopefully this works |
| 02:45.37 | silverarrow | with mozplugger I get a black screen |
| 02:45.40 | silverarrow | hmm |
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| 02:45.54 | silverarrow | so, for a clean debian os |
| 02:45.57 | silverarrow | ... |
| 02:46.29 | djdduty_ | this better work or I'll be pissed |
| 02:46.29 | djdduty_ | :P |
| 02:46.50 | dvs | thinks djdduty_ will be pissed |
| 02:46.59 | djdduty_ | I feel like a poss, it works |
| 02:47.02 | djdduty_ | boss* |
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| 02:48.01 | djdduty_ | damnit chrome, what do you mean the sync server is busy? |
| 02:48.05 | djdduty_ | I want my bookmarks |
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| 02:52.46 | ZitZ | hi everyone |
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| 02:54.03 | dvs | oi |
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| 02:55.18 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 02:55.25 | ZitZ | thanks for replying, i'm trying to figure out what a connection issue |
| 02:55.36 | ZitZ | just testing |
| 02:55.45 | sneex | >< |
| 02:55.50 | ctx144k | where can i get a debian7-ISO file for installation? |
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| 02:55.55 | dvs | didn't work. ;-P |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | sneex: could you stop that? |
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| 02:56.06 | ctx144k | debian7 is in testing-phase, issent it? |
| 02:56.08 | sneex | yes sir |
| 02:56.08 | abrotman | ctx144k: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. good luck |
| 02:56.23 | abrotman | ctx144k: may or may not be working today |
| 02:56.42 | ZitZ | as is tradition |
| 02:56.47 | ZitZ | :) |
| 02:57.16 | ctx144k | i readed its frozen, so - i think/hope there willbe only fix bugs .... |
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| 02:57.41 | abrotman | ctx144k: right, but the bugs still exist until they are fixed |
| 02:58.04 | Devastator- | will wheezy be completely multiarch? |
| 02:58.08 | sneex | resisiting |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | Devastator-: define completely |
| 02:58.14 | ctx144k | okay..... - hope will find bugs,m and hope theywoillbe fixed after reporting... |
| 02:58.34 | ctx144k | some bugs in debian4.0 wasnt fixed over long time :-( |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | probably not RC bugs |
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| 02:59.02 | dondelelcaro | ctx144k: we only tend to fix major bugs in our released versions |
| 02:59.18 | dondelelcaro | ctx144k: but we certainly do try to fix them in later releases |
| 02:59.19 | Devastator- | abrotman yesterday i was trying to reproduce a problem a user was having, turns out a few libs weren't multiarch yet, but the ones in sid yes |
| 02:59.21 | ctx144k | what does major bugs mean? |
| 02:59.42 | dondelelcaro | !rc bugs |
| 02:59.42 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 02:59.48 | dondelelcaro | ctx144k: see above |
| 03:00.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: rc bugs =~ s#http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php ## |
| 03:00.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: that doesn't contain 'http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php ' |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | Devastator: but there are some programs that don't work on other architectures |
| 03:00.36 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: release-critical =~ s#http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php ## |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 03:01.01 | ctx144k | one bug in debian4.0.0 and later versions: kaffeine crash while playing ogg-auduiofiles at the end, when changing the position of playing (e.g. 1minute back) |
| 03:01.17 | ctx144k | sorry for bad english |
| 03:01.19 | Devastator | abrotman i think i got it, what is capable of multiarch, will be multiarch in wheezy, the rest will remain as is, correct? |
| 03:01.27 | abrotman | i think that's the idea |
| 03:01.44 | Devastator | thanks abrotman |
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| 03:02.02 | abrotman | Devastator: but the idea is that packages from multiarch should work .. so if your amd64 box can install i386, you sohuld be able to install any i386 package |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | worded that poorly |
| 03:02.26 | Devastator | i understood :) |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | Devastator: look at the multiarch wiki page |
| 03:02.39 | Devastator | i still don't know if multiarch came for the good or bad |
| 03:02.42 | ctx144k | another bug: lighttpd with mysql-connections.... for that i sended maintainers mails (with testet patch-files)... but over long time the bnug wasnt fixed |
| 03:02.47 | sneex | does debian proper support ufs or is that a kernel patch? |
| 03:03.02 | ctx144k | so.... ill try now debian7 in hope itwill be better now :) |
| 03:03.18 | ctx144k | thx |
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| 03:03.42 | jagginess | ctx144k, geez, those past tense words are giving me the shrills and kills |
| 03:03.54 | jagginess | tested.. uehhhhhh |
| 03:04.06 | jagginess | keep a light on [✔] |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | really poorly |
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| 03:05.03 | Devastator | i cannot mock, mine is worse |
| 03:05.12 | ctx144k | jagginess, what does u mean? |
| 03:05.26 | Devastator | hehe |
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| 03:06.06 | sneex | in the context of the written language parts of writing are broken up |
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| 03:15.23 | sneex | on that note; good night |
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| 03:19.48 | dsheets | I'm trying to install wheezy as a xen pv guest using the xen amd64 netinst initrd and vmlinuz. Unfortunately, i need to use grub-legacy instead of grub-pc (grub2). I already had grub1 installed in the virtual disk's mbr and i told debian installer to put wheezy's grub in xvda1 so as not to upset my current grub1 install. Then, i created a menu.lst file for grub1 and put it into /boot/grub but my fresh system doesn't boot. What have I mis |
| 03:21.27 | dsheets | When I run grub-install, I get errors about unknown partition table signature and /boot/grub/stage1 not being read correctly |
| 03:21.46 | dsheets | how can I run wheezy with grub1? |
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| 03:22.54 | pparadis | dsheets: your last may not actually matter. i haven't run wheezy with legacy grub (either natively or on a xen host), but i suspect your menu.lst may be incorrectly formatted. you might consider pastebinning it so people here can look at it. |
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| 03:24.45 | dsheets | pparadis: http://pastebin.ca/2171734 |
| 03:25.41 | dsheets | pparadis: the dom0 refs this file, i guess, and sources it for boot? |
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| 03:26.01 | pparadis | nod, using either pv-grub or pygrub most likely. |
| 03:26.25 | dsheets | pvgrub |
| 03:26.39 | pparadis | you may need "groot=(hd0)" in your menu.lst |
| 03:27.05 | dsheets | when i try to boot, i fall into initramfs busybox whatever |
| 03:27.12 | dsheets | ok, will try, one sec |
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| 03:27.48 | pparadis | dsheets: you may also need "kopt=root=/dev/xvda console=hvc0 ro quiet" |
| 03:28.20 | dsheets | pparadis: these are both kernel block settings not global, ya? |
| 03:28.26 | pparadis | ya |
| 03:28.31 | pparadis | wait |
| 03:28.37 | pparadis | no, those are both global |
| 03:29.07 | pparadis | at least from my memory they should be. i haven't dealt with xen in over a year. i use kvm these days. |
| 03:29.29 | dsheets | ok i will go find the docs |
| 03:29.36 | pparadis | what provider are you using? |
| 03:30.03 | pparadis | dsheets: ^ |
| 03:30.09 | Diopter | kvm > all |
| 03:30.10 | dsheets | pparadis: prgmr |
| 03:30.20 | dsheets | pparadis: but apparently i am stupid |
| 03:30.32 | pparadis | dsheets: hehe, that's their tagline, right? ;) |
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| 03:30.44 | pparadis | dsheets: maybe this will help you, or maybe it won't. i hope it might --> http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/custom-instances/pv-grub-howto |
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| 03:30.58 | pparadis | it's xen underneath both providers. hopefully you can get a leg up with that link. |
| 03:31.06 | pparadis | Diopter: agreed |
| 03:31.32 | dsheets | pparadis: yes… i am also considering just installed squeeze and then switching the apt repos. how nasty is that in practice? |
| 03:31.43 | dsheets | is the resulting system messy or legit? |
| 03:31.49 | pparadis | dsheets: wait, doing what? |
| 03:32.05 | pparadis | you mean installing squeeze and then dist-upgrading to wheezy? |
| 03:32.14 | dsheets | pparadis: yes |
| 03:32.20 | stew | dsheets: that's actually our recommended way of installing wheezy |
| 03:32.23 | pparadis | that's actually fine as a path to using wheezy. |
| 03:32.27 | pparadis | indeed. |
| 03:32.32 | stew | dsheets: unless you goal is to help test the wheezy installer |
| 03:32.45 | dsheets | nah, i just want to program stuff that depends on libev4 |
| 03:32.48 | pparadis | stew: you're pressing enter right before me ;) |
| 03:32.48 | stew | if your goal is "best chance of getting a good wheezy install" it is install stable and upgrade |
| 03:33.18 | stew | pparadis: :) I'll make another cocktail and let you take over :) |
| 03:33.25 | pparadis | noooooooooooo :) |
| 03:33.39 | pparadis | stew: i promise you, i need a drink more than you at the moment |
| 03:33.49 | pparadis | runs for it |
| 03:33.55 | dsheets | well, slap me with a salmon and call me sally, i guess i'll just dist-upgrade |
| 03:34.07 | stew | i'll do nothing of the sort |
| 03:34.14 | stew | , sally |
| 03:34.16 | pparadis | yah man, get it running right under squeeze first, and then just upgrade it to wheezy. |
| 03:34.25 | pparadis | stew: imma gonna call you shirley. |
| 03:34.35 | dsheets | thanks for your help :-) |
| 03:34.36 | stew | surely that's uncalled for |
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| 03:37.58 | simonlnu | groans loudly |
| 03:38.33 | pparadis | somiaj: <3 |
| 03:38.50 | pparadis | simonlnu: even ^ |
| 03:38.56 | pparadis | <3 <3 <3 for everyone |
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| 03:39.32 | pparadis | simonlnu: just for you --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfYK8wvvU90 |
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| 03:42.37 | simonlnu | ok.. |
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| 03:44.13 | simonlnu | pparadis: goooooooooooooood morning vietnaaaaaaaaaam! |
| 03:44.19 | pparadis | win |
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| 03:51.04 | FluxD | Is there anyway to see logs for tcpwrappers as in the connection it denies from hosts.deny |
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| 03:51.47 | Diopter | FluxD: Just so you know, tcpwrappers are terrible and deprecated and frowned upon in pretty much every distro now. |
| 03:52.14 | FluxD | Diopter, what is an acceptable replacement nowdays? |
| 03:52.34 | Diopter | FluxD: iptables is the de-facto standard in L3+ filtering |
| 03:53.11 | FluxD | Diopter, anything else? |
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| 03:54.08 | Diopter | FluxD: iptables is a ridiculously awesome tool. What "else" are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 03:54.51 | FluxD | Diopter, something similar where config is stored in files |
| 03:55.29 | Diopter | FluxD: You can quite easily store the iptables rules in files. |
| 03:55.55 | Diopter | FluxD: For instance, there's the iptables-persistent package, which will allow you to interact with rulesets through an "iptables-persistent" service. |
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| 03:56.44 | KM0201 | question, i'm installing debian 6 on my NAS.. when i get to install grub, if I choose "no".. will it just not install grub, or will it give me the option of where to put grub? i want grub to go on my OS drive, not on one of my "storage" drives |
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| 03:58.32 | Lis | Hello everyone. I am looking for smbmount in debian testing. But i cant find the package which contains it |
| 03:59.03 | pparadis | KM0201: it should tell you where it's planning to install grub. if that doesn't reflect your desired grub installed location, i believe there is a way to modify it. |
| 03:59.21 | ilius | KM0201: i'm not sure debian asks for installation of grub, it asks for the place |
| 03:59.28 | KM0201 | yeah, thus the "how"... i know on ubunt (and some other distros) i choose no, and it asks me where do i want to put grub. |
| 03:59.38 | ilius | KM0201: MBR (master boot record) or Partition |
| 03:59.45 | KM0201 | ilius: i understand that. |
| 03:59.48 | ilius | KM0201: you select partition |
| 03:59.50 | Lis | No it doesnt... debian will ask you wather you want to install grub in your MBR. If you choose no you can then specify a device manually |
| 04:00.06 | KM0201 | Lis: ok, thats what i wanted the answer to, thank you |
| 04:00.18 | stew | Lis: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 04:01.05 | stew | Lis: which actually is telling me that it might no longer exist |
| 04:01.59 | Lis | hm |
| 04:02.11 | stew | Lis: but read the description of the smbfs package |
| 04:02.30 | pparadis | nod |
| 04:02.39 | stew | Lis: i'd hope you are actually trying to use cifs and not smbfs, right? |
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| 04:02.45 | pparadis | that's almost certainly what you want. |
| 04:02.50 | Lis | stew: there is no smbfs package anymore. I only found a smbnetfs but that doesnt contain smbmount |
| 04:03.00 | stew | judd: versions smbfs |
| 04:03.01 | judd | Package: smbfs on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:4.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:5.2-1~bpo60+1 |
| 04:03.05 | pparadis | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/cifs-utils |
| 04:03.20 | Lis | cifs-utils doenst contain it either :D |
| 04:03.20 | pparadis | Lis: ^ |
| 04:03.30 | pparadis | right, use what it provies. |
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| 04:03.32 | pparadis | provides, even. |
| 04:03.37 | stew | Lis: does it contain an equivalent for cifs? |
| 04:03.40 | pparadis | it does. |
| 04:04.00 | stew | Lis: is the thing you are mounting exported from windows 95 or older? |
| 04:04.17 | pparadis | lord help us all if it is. |
| 04:04.27 | stew | i'm not going to wait for the answer here :) then you want cifs not smbfs |
| 04:04.40 | pparadis | the answer there would be "please stop using that" |
| 04:05.26 | stew | !smbfs |
| 04:05.26 | dpkg | smbfs is the Linux <SMB> virtual filesystem driver. Unmaintained, disabled in Debian kernel images since Linux 2.6.24, moved to staging at 2.6.37 and removed from mainline at 2.6.39. Superseded by the cifs driver, ask me about <cifs>. The Debian smbfs package provides utilities for mounting and unmounting CIFS network shares, these are wrappers for cifs-utils compatibility since Squeeze. |
| 04:05.41 | pparadis | there we have it. |
| 04:05.43 | Lis | uhm so there is another command for mounting samba shares without root privileges now? |
| 04:05.58 | pparadis | Lis: have you investigating the cifs options? |
| 04:05.58 | Lis | ah ok |
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| 04:09.55 | KM0201 | hmm |
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| 04:18.06 | peterrooney | I thought CIFS and SMB were exactly the same thing. Especially since the man page says so. |
| 04:18.31 | peterrooney | wonders if he's been asleep for a few years |
| 04:19.01 | crunchylinux | hey hey hey |
| 04:19.47 | crunchylinux | loves crunchbang |
| 04:20.22 | somiaj | peterrooney: rebranding...wodim is the one that gets me, what was so wrong with cdrecord. (: |
| 04:21.27 | crunchylinux | is there a way to get cairo comp manager on ubuntu 12.04 ? or is this aquestion for another channel |
| 04:21.59 | peterrooney | crunchylinux: definitely that question belongs in #ubuntu |
| 04:22.00 | somiaj | crunchylinux: if you use ubuntu use their support, #ubuntu, if you use crunchbang linux, use their support. |
| 04:22.13 | somiaj | part of choosing a distro is the support that comes with it. (: |
| 04:26.26 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: jörg schilling is what was wrong with cdrecord |
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| 04:26.54 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: humans seem to mess many thigns up |
| 04:27.51 | stew | iirc cdrecord required a non-redistributable mix of the "shilly makefile system" or something with cdrecord |
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| 04:40.16 | ilius | network experts, please take a look at my question http://superuser.com/questions/434932/vnstat-like-tool-to-ignore-local-net-traffic |
| 04:40.24 | mhall | Well I finally went and did the unthinkable and decided to dist-upgrade my unstable after several months on pause hoping the kde breakage would quit. |
| 04:40.35 | mhall | ilius: network experts is a bit general to find the right people |
| 04:40.49 | mhall | ilius: how about a problem description since my X is temporarily off during this upgrade |
| 04:41.07 | ilius | i just paste the q |
| 04:41.16 | ilius | Is there a tool for network traffic monitoring for Linux (like vnstat) with IP ignore list? (I want to ignore local network 192.168.. traffic, but I don't like to define a new interface and do route stuff...) I need only total send/receive of every day (or better, a custom date range), I don't need fancy reports. |
| 04:42.03 | mhall | Well there is always ntop |
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| 04:42.16 | mhall | It has got a local-network filter built in |
| 04:42.30 | mhall | But it's going to do more than you might immediately want |
| 04:42.33 | rgenito_ | sigh :( i'm looking for more information on nonces. i know, this isn't really the place to ask, but i know there are a lot of very smart people that might be able to point me in the right direction :D |
| 04:42.48 | mhall | You could also see if it is possible to collect the data per route entry or per iptables chain entry |
| 04:43.00 | rgenito_ | anyone here understand how to use nonces (in implementation) to prevent replay attacks? |
| 04:43.12 | mhall | Then you could make a route or iptables list which gets traversed for the packet flows, and collects stats as you go on the pieces you want |
| 04:43.14 | ilius | mhall: i'll try it tnx |
| 04:43.43 | mhall | You probably need to spend a bit of time on the netfilter and iproute2 docs to see what kind of stats you can pull from routing engine and iptables engine |
| 04:44.03 | mhall | rgenito_: which sort of protocol |
| 04:44.29 | rgenito_ | anyone really... i'm just trying to get the idea behind it |
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| 04:45.02 | rgenito_ | but to me, it doesn't seem like a nonce really helps if the man in the middle figures out the password from the first request |
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| 04:45.50 | mhall | rgenito_: there is a very good example of how to do this in TLS 1.2 RFC and SNMPv3 Sub-RFC on the USM |
| 04:46.02 | rgenito_ | oh? where can i find that? |
| 04:46.10 | rgenito_ | just google "TLS 1.2 RFC"? hehe |
| 04:46.14 | mhall | Indeed |
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| 04:46.24 | mhall | They talk in detail about virtually every classic attack |
| 04:46.33 | mhall | And how they try to prevent it in TLS and SNMPv3 security |
| 04:46.39 | rgenito_ | thanks :) |
| 04:46.53 | mhall | But yeah, the nonce won't prevent MITM |
| 04:46.57 | rgenito_ | and i take it the whole 'nonce' thing is used as a detail? |
| 04:47.07 | mhall | It will just prevent copying a request and sending it back around |
| 04:47.10 | rgenito_ | ahh, so what does nonce prevent? just replay attacks? |
| 04:47.18 | mhall | I am pretty sure they use the term nonce in TLS 1.2 at minimum |
| 04:47.23 | rgenito_ | oooh ok, it'll just prevent that same request from being sent a 2nd time |
| 04:47.26 | mhall | If they don't look for ClientRandom and ServerRandom |
| 04:47.44 | ilius | mhall: how can i get total usage with ntop? |
| 04:47.54 | rgenito_ | ty mhall |
| 04:48.04 | mhall | The ClientRandom and ServerRandom are the nonces computed as part of the SSL handshake |
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| 04:48.28 | mhall | ilius: it's pretty much a Swiss Army knife of network traffic reporting with a web UI |
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| 04:48.42 | mhall | ilius: It has a config option where you feed it the CIDRs of the local subnets |
| 04:48.58 | ilius | hmmm |
| 04:49.02 | mhall | ilius: Then it can perform the calculations of how much traffic is local versus remote, how it is flowing around, and so forth |
| 04:49.26 | mhall | ilius: I have used it quite often when working on support cases for the products I have developed |
| 04:49.40 | silverarrow | is an older version of adobe flash available and compatiblie with websites, to run on powerpc? |
| 04:49.45 | mhall | When I need to answer the question "WTF kind of traffic are these guys running and why does it crash our box? |
| 04:50.39 | silverarrow | trouble is, non of the alternatives like gnash and lightspark, is compatible for browser in ppc |
| 04:50.56 | mhall | I don't think it was ever released on LinuxPPC |
| 04:51.05 | mhall | So I think you are probably hosed |
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| 04:51.21 | ilius | mhall: isn't that easier if i redirect local traffic to another interface and use vnstat (on both interfaces) ? |
| 04:51.55 | mhall | ilius: Depends what you are trying to do I suppose. I found ntop was nice because it was fast to set up and the interface was easy |
| 04:52.06 | mhall | ilius: It also performed Layer 7 reporting |
| 04:52.08 | silverarrow | there must be some kind of testing and upkeep for media player in browser for ppc |
| 04:52.18 | mhall | ilius: So it could geocode the IPs, figure out the TCP and UDP traffic mix |
| 04:52.22 | ilius | mhall: i think ntop is realtime |
| 04:52.30 | mhall | ilius: Other things I found helpful to understand what was happening |
| 04:52.39 | mhall | ilius: Yes it is real-time |
| 04:52.47 | ilius | mhall: i dont need that unless i write a daemon myself to keep track of total usage |
| 04:53.18 | ilius | total in every day |
| 04:53.21 | Devastator | isn't ulogd2 suitable? |
| 04:53.37 | mhall | ilius: If you want to go more bare-metal, you probably out to check the iproute2 docs and the iptables / netfilter docs, and see if you can get stats for each table entry |
| 04:54.15 | mhall | ilius: Then you could configure a second route table in the front of the system table which has entries to collect stats for each desired CIDR or same with netfilter entries |
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| 04:54.44 | mhall | I am pretty sure it is possible to get per-entry stats from these tables because various Linux based FW vendors offer stats on each entry |
| 04:55.15 | Devastator | ok, no ulogd2 then.. |
| 04:56.17 | mhall | Is there another metapackage that's needed to get hold of a fairly complete KDE setup besides just kde-workspace |
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| 05:12.48 | simonlnu | mhall: browse task-kde-desktop with aptitude |
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| 05:28.28 | mhall | simonlnu: thanks simon for saving my rear as usual ;) |
| 05:28.45 | mhall | simonlnu: this upgrade is the biggest monster since 10+ years ago when i corrupted bash |
| 05:28.57 | mhall | simonlnu: heinosity++ |
| 05:29.16 | mhall | i had to purge a bunch of outdated kde that was in conflict loops |
| 05:29.24 | mhall | working on upgrading the rest of the box now |
| 05:29.33 | mhall | about to finish off the onesy-twosey conflicts |
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| 06:53.58 | beardy | I better answer myself too then. Yes, the built nvidia packages work, however it fscks backlight control on a macbook. |
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| 06:55.17 | pozic | How can I tell the machine to stop whatever else it is doing and concentrate only on my activities? I launched a forkbomb equivalent in short by accident. |
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| 06:55.57 | civillian | do your activities include the fork bomb? |
| 06:56.16 | pozic | In general, why are basic services lost (ssh/root login speed) when some user does something? |
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| 06:56.37 | pozic | civillian: yes, but then intention is to kill it asas. |
| 06:56.40 | pozic | civillian: asap |
| 06:57.30 | pozic | I got a shell after 5 minutes or so. |
| 06:57.55 | pozic | What's the fastest way to kill the forkbomb assuming I don't know anything about the process? |
| 06:58.23 | pozic | I want to select the tree of processes starting in bash which consumes most memory. |
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| 06:59.30 | pozic | Can't I activate the OOM tool? |
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| 07:00.21 | peterrooney | pozic: ps -ef f to identify process lineages (may have to pipe into $PAGER) |
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| 07:01.37 | pozic | I suppose I could become root and give my shell priority -18. |
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| 07:02.44 | pozic | Why doesn't Debian ship some by default sane settings like a maximum of 1000 processes per user? |
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| 07:02.59 | peterrooney | pozic: because that is not a sane setting. |
| 07:03.21 | pozic | peterrooney: too little? |
| 07:03.33 | nevyn | pozic: it depends. |
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| 07:03.38 | nevyn | it could be too many |
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| 07:04.29 | pozic | Ideally there would be a popup saying 'you are now going over the limit'. Continue [y/n]? |
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| 07:05.25 | pozic | peterrooney: but is there a way to make sure that ssh is always available? |
| 07:05.32 | peterrooney | pozic: there is no way to choose any number and have a majority of people say everyone would find that number reasonable. |
| 07:05.47 | pozic | peterrooney: so, a shell which has at least 100MB of memory free for emergency saving operations? |
| 07:06.09 | pozic | peterrooney: and at least 1% CPU for processing commands.\ |
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| 07:06.56 | peterrooney | pozic: (i) I don't know, and (ii) what are you really trying to do? |
| 07:07.26 | pozic | peterrooney: I am currently locked out of the machine due to the fork bomb. I want that to never happen again. |
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| 07:08.02 | pozic | peterrooney: System services should run independent of user processes, imho. |
| 07:08.04 | simonlnu | find PPID kill it |
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| 07:08.34 | simonlnu | should resolve rather quickly ;) |
| 07:08.58 | pozic | A killforkbomb command would be useful in these cases.\ |
| 07:09.07 | pozic | It took 6 minutes to start htop. |
| 07:09.28 | simonlnu | use ps ... |
| 07:09.30 | peterrooney | pozic: "ps -ef f" # thank god for GNU ps |
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| 07:10.29 | peterrooney | pozic: such a program could just as easily kill a cron job like updatedb |
| 07:10.29 | pozic | peterrooney: there isn't enough memory available to run that. |
| 07:10.59 | simonlnu | kill htop |
| 07:11.06 | pozic | Is there really no way to configure it to have basic service levels? |
| 07:11.14 | peterrooney | pozic: perhaps not as quickly as you want... |
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| 07:11.23 | simonlnu | yes, but you don't do that now ;) |
| 07:12.30 | simonlnu | wonders why pozic is on irc when s/he could be tending to this fork bomb instead |
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| 07:14.00 | simonlnu | i did that to myself one time, intentionally. i ran it in an xterm, so it'dbe easy to kill ;). otherwise you kill the parent shell. |
| 07:14.01 | pozic | simonlnu: I am. It's just that the computer responds about a million times slower than I would like to see. |
| 07:14.10 | simonlnu | well duh ;) |
| 07:14.29 | simonlnu | load average of around 120 ? |
| 07:15.01 | simonlnu | i killed it when it hit 100 |
| 07:15.11 | simonlnu | it does that rather quickly |
| 07:16.39 | pozic | I would prefer the kernel to kill anything over 30 levels deep. |
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| 07:16.57 | pozic | I perhaps use 20 levels, but not 30. |
| 07:17.25 | simonlnu | manual oom kill seems to be disabled on debian kernels (via magic sysrq) |
| 07:17.36 | jelly-home | pozic: investigate cgroups and their process-group limiting abilities |
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| 07:18.09 | simonlnu | which is a lot better ;) |
| 07:18.18 | pozic | Ok, I have ps output now (of the command you wrote) |
| 07:18.39 | pozic | So, how can I see what's the bad process? |
| 07:19.03 | pozic | Because I have 10,000+ processes now. |
| 07:19.06 | simonlnu | look for the parent aka PPID |
| 07:19.54 | pozic | simonlnu: parent process id, sure. But how do I find that in 100 pages of output? |
| 07:20.15 | simonlnu | have fun looking |
| 07:20.25 | pozic | ... |
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| 07:20.32 | pozic | I asked because I wanted to know that. |
| 07:20.47 | pozic | In the end you have told me nothing then. |
| 07:20.53 | peterrooney | pozic: GNU's ps f (or ps --forest) beats Solaris' ptree all hollow. pipe into most, if available. |
| 07:21.05 | pozic | Except jelly-home with his suggestion to make sure this won't happen again. |
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| 07:21.18 | simonlnu | there is no "trick" to it... |
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| 07:21.54 | pozic | simonlnu: surely a program could also solve this problem. |
| 07:22.05 | simonlnu | you *do* know what you'r looking for, right? |
| 07:22.11 | simonlnu | you're* |
| 07:22.14 | pozic | simonlnu: no, I do not. |
| 07:22.27 | pozic | simonlnu: which was part of the problem. |
| 07:22.29 | simonlnu | a shell, obviously. |
| 07:22.37 | peterrooney | pozic: yes, a program can. it's called ps, and using the --forest option WILL answer your questions |
| 07:22.42 | pozic | simonlnu: yes and there are thousands of those listed. |
| 07:22.51 | pozic | peterrooney: I executed what you said. |
| 07:22.56 | simonlnu | yes, and you look for the TOPMOST one. |
| 07:23.00 | pozic | peterrooney: I will read the manual. |
| 07:23.04 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 07:23.34 | peterrooney | pozic: so, what was the parent process of the fork bomb programs? |
| 07:23.37 | pozic | What a wonderfully useless man page. |
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| 07:24.25 | pozic | ACSII art process tree. |
| 07:24.30 | pozic | That's the documentation for that option. |
| 07:24.43 | pozic | Is it <thing you cannot say>-serious? |
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| 07:26.13 | peterrooney | pozic: it's not "Cliff's Notes". Here is my version of Cliff's Notes For ps, tailored to your unique situation: ps -ef f. you will end up knowing what each program's PPID is and what child processes (if any) any program has. and if you're in a fork bomb, it might actually take you a moment to parse its output. |
| 07:26.40 | pozic | peterrooney: now, I see an actual forest. |
| 07:26.49 | pozic | peterrooney: I pasted the output into an editor. |
| 07:27.02 | pozic | peterrooney: I basically saw just a linear list of processes before. |
| 07:27.09 | pozic | peterrooney: problem solved. Thank you |
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| 07:28.26 | pozic | Why don't kill commands take precedence over other commands in low memory situations? |
| 07:28.55 | peterrooney | pozic: you're welcome. many pagers fail on the output of ps --forest; "most" deals with it adroitly. |
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| 07:29.15 | drigollier | hi all |
| 07:29.20 | pozic | It's the goal of the kernel to manage resources. If someone wants to free resources, it would be intelligent for the kernel to listen to those requests with higher priority. |
| 07:29.26 | simonlnu | has to do with process priority |
| 07:29.42 | pozic | In general, listening to human commands should take absolute priority. |
| 07:29.47 | simonlnu | and a kill command doesn't have the right prio |
| 07:29.53 | simonlnu | um |
| 07:30.15 | pozic | With some backoff mechanism to protect against forkbombs. |
| 07:30.18 | simonlnu | how do you tell that, other than from a shell? and what about that fork bomb? |
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| 07:30.35 | nsadmin | pozic, how to tell if a command should or should not have priority? |
| 07:30.36 | pozic | simonlnu: that's not human interaction anymore. |
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| 07:30.58 | pozic | nsadmin: after the user has started typing, it has initially high priority. |
| 07:31.08 | simonlnu | and how is the kernel to tell *that*? |
| 07:31.14 | pozic | nsadmin: then after 10 seconds of CPU time it gets less priority. |
| 07:31.21 | nsadmin | how do you know if "user typing"? |
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| 07:31.35 | pozic | nsadmin: I am touching the keyboard now. |
| 07:31.39 | simonlnu | shudders and mumbles something about context switching |
| 07:31.58 | eightbitbubsy | hi, how do I execute a command when users log onto the system? I want to edit a file so that even newly made users get this command executed every time they log into the system |
| 07:32.00 | nsadmin | how does kernel know? |
| 07:32.07 | pozic | nsadmin: it could be told. |
| 07:32.44 | simonlnu | eightbitbubsy: /etc/profile for a start |
| 07:32.51 | pozic | nsadmin: designing a system without taking human time as a cost factor into consideration seems weird. |
| 07:33.04 | pozic | nsadmin: human time should be one of the most important considerations. |
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| 07:33.20 | nsadmin | depends on the purpose of the machine |
| 07:33.27 | simonlnu | time a) is not static b) linear |
| 07:33.42 | simonlnu | is not linear* |
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| 07:33.56 | pozic | I killed the parent process. |
| 07:34.14 | pozic | But it doesn't seem to have worked :/ |
| 07:35.10 | eightbitbubsy | simonlnu, thanks, it worked |
| 07:35.28 | pozic | killing the parent should kill the rest, right? |
| 07:35.33 | nsadmin | I agree that for some apps user input should take priority... and, there are already ways of going about that |
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| 07:36.07 | pozic | nsadmin: I think such a system should work without the user having to first needing to have expert knowledge. |
| 07:36.18 | simonlnu | pozic: yes, but if you really did get it, it'll take a moment to subside and the children to die off. |
| 07:36.44 | pozic | simonlnu: but the kill command returned. |
| 07:37.02 | pozic | simonlnu: why does it return when it isn't done yet? Or does it only send the signals and then return? |
| 07:37.07 | simonlnu | killing a parent process is not "expert knowledge" |
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| 07:37.18 | pozic | simonlnu: no, and I didn't say that. |
| 07:37.25 | simonlnu | send it, doesn't wait for a reply... |
| 07:37.28 | simonlnu | sends* |
| 07:37.32 | pozic | simonlnu: I was referring to the input priority thing. |
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| 07:44.42 | pozic | Is there any already defined configuration which sets things up for a typical desktop user responsiveness wise? |
| 07:45.12 | nsadmin | maybe you should find out why it's not as responsive as you want it |
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| 07:47.17 | nsadmin | pozic, for example... what are you running? |
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| 07:55.45 | pozic | nsadmin: after killing that process, I still cannot ssh to the machine. |
| 07:56.02 | pozic | nsadmin: and the shell I had is still unresponsive. |
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| 07:56.24 | pozic | nsadmin: I am also not observing any progress. |
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| 07:56.40 | pozic | Which I think is a kernel bug. |
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| 07:56.58 | nsadmin | could be I suppose... |
| 07:57.00 | pozic | Even with 20,000+ processes it should have made progress. |
| 07:57.23 | nsadmin | 20k processes? |
| 07:57.36 | pozic | I am not sure with what priority sshd runs, but it's likely higher than user processes too. |
| 07:57.59 | nsadmin | why are you running 20k processes? |
| 07:58.09 | pozic | nsadmin: that was the fork bomb. |
| 07:58.31 | pozic | nsadmin: but killing the ppid didn't help. |
| 07:58.33 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 07:58.44 | pozic | nsadmin: I don't understand why, however. |
| 07:58.50 | jelly-home | pozic: if you know the cause, it's faster to just reboot the machine |
| 07:58.56 | nsadmin | well the nature of a fork bomb is each of its processes spawn more |
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| 07:59.32 | pozic | If I had implemented the kill command, I would tie its implementation to that of fork. |
| 07:59.42 | jelly-home | pozic: esp. if you also have memory issues and lots of stuff has gone to swap, in addition to cpu issues from the fork bomb |
| 07:59.53 | pozic | Then the kill command would run in a few ms. |
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| 08:00.06 | pozic | I don't get why this isn't done. |
| 08:00.15 | jelly-home | do it, then |
| 08:00.19 | pozic | Who doesn't want commands which return immediately? |
| 08:00.46 | jelly-home | interactivity is a complex issue |
| 08:01.02 | pozic | But I suppose that all the server people don't want to make forking slower. |
| 08:01.16 | peterrooney | pozic: no operating system can be designed to handle all situations equally gracefully. |
| 08:01.19 | pozic | IMHO, forking is already a bad idea for most cases. |
| 08:01.31 | nevyn | really? |
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| 08:01.45 | pozic | I.e. light weight threads or data parallelism are much better. |
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| 08:02.04 | pozic | You just run number of cores system threads and that's it. |
| 08:02.15 | pozic | Forking is a waste of memory. |
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| 08:02.22 | pozic | And CPU time. |
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| 08:02.47 | nsadmin | maybe, that's why there are also threads |
| 08:02.52 | nevyn | no. |
| 08:02.56 | nevyn | a thousand times no |
| 08:03.01 | jelly-home | pozic: instead of preaching, write the code. fork() is rather cheap in Linux compared to other unices, and is basically a special case of clone() |
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| 08:03.27 | Mirrored | Basic Computer Question Semi-Related to Data Parallelism / CPU Usage-- does higher CPU usage increase power consumption or is power draw static? |
| 08:03.38 | nevyn | Mirrored: the former |
| 08:03.44 | nevyn | but it depends. |
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| 08:04.02 | Mirrored | thanks |
| 08:04.13 | nsadmin | when you get down to it, power draw happens when transistors change state |
| 08:05.04 | pozic | That seems like a bot generated question. |
| 08:05.25 | nevyn | Mirrored: so higher cpu utilisation creates more waste heat and requires fans to spin faster etc |
| 08:05.34 | Mirrored | would you say it's like a huge differential between active use or "just powered on" or would you say that it's minor incremental-- i.e. I turned on the server and X is being used, there's a linear relationship for use of processor/device plugins, but the majority is already at X, or would you say it's exponential/massively different? |
| 08:05.42 | pozic | jelly-home: considering that I don't even know what clone does by heart, that seems unwise. |
| 08:05.45 | jelly-home | Mirrored: it depends. |
| 08:05.55 | \Jan | what about |
| 08:06.00 | \Jan | cpu scaling |
| 08:06.02 | jelly-home | pozic: then you don't know what you're talking about |
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| 08:06.23 | \Jan | How does cpu scaling affect power |
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| 08:06.28 | jelly-home | pozic: so, read the code first, then <g> |
| 08:06.40 | pozic | jelly-home: sure I do. The GHC run-time system can be turned into a kernel too and this has been done. |
| 08:06.47 | \Jan | Well, by how much, rather |
| 08:06.51 | pozic | jelly-home: you don't even need a MMU then. |
| 08:07.00 | nsadmin | \Jan, linearly? |
| 08:07.13 | jelly-home | what's "cpu scaling"? |
| 08:07.15 | pozic | jelly-home: so, the way Unix has been designed isn't the last word in OS design. |
| 08:07.25 | jelly-home | pozic: duh! |
| 08:07.47 | pozic | jelly-home: but yes, I was already reading about clone. |
| 08:07.48 | nsadmin | heh :) lightbulb go on! |
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| 08:10.52 | jelly-home | Mirrored: there are nice numbers on the internets caused by the leap-second issue that made processes on Linux sping circles and eat cpu, one guy had a visible 30% total current (and therefore power) increase |
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| 08:12.33 | jelly-home | Mirrored: there are also indirect costs -- AC units need to work more as well |
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| 08:12.56 | nsadmin | pozic, mildly curious... how did you get a fork bomb? |
| 08:13.55 | pozic | nsadmin: if you name a script in ~/bin foo and then call foo where you wanted to call /usr/bin/foo for example. |
| 08:14.35 | pozic | nsadmin: I think the kernel could even detect such infinite loops easily. |
| 08:14.43 | pozic | nsadmin: that's what GHC does for example. |
| 08:15.15 | pozic | If you put x = x in a Haskell program it will just say that a black hole has been detected. |
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| 08:16.13 | pozic | x = x means let x be the value of x (which is the value of x ... ) |
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| 08:20.24 | peterrooney | pozic: whereas in most any procedural language, it evaluates x once and then assigns it. cf. what i said earlier about "gracefully", applies to all systems, not just computers. |
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| 08:26.39 | djdduty_ | what package do I need for flash support in chromium? |
| 08:27.13 | Calinou | don't know, search around? it's probably in non-free repo though |
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| 08:30.23 | gnarface | its not the same one as for iceweasel? |
| 08:30.50 | pozic | !flash |
| 08:30.50 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 08:31.21 | pozic | Isn't gnash an even more broken implementation? |
| 08:31.54 | pozic | I think you can better update that factoid to not mention gnash until it improves. |
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| 08:33.31 | pozic | Not having enough memory to execute kill. |
| 08:33.44 | Calinou | O_ç |
| 08:33.56 | pozic | I don't think there is an efficiency excuse for that. |
| 08:34.06 | pozic | That's just bad system design. |
| 08:34.15 | boudiccas | pozic: so reboot, and kill it for certain. its been going on long enough now your forkbomb |
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| 08:34.43 | pozic | boudiccas: sorry |
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| 08:44.10 | boudiccas | i need to find *.jpg in /home/boztu/Music/ and output it to /home/boztu/cron/jpg.txt but its not working with grep. how do i do it please? |
| 08:44.31 | Calinou | use "ls" with grep? |
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| 08:44.55 | Calinou | is a grep noob though |
| 08:44.57 | nevyn | eww... |
| 08:45.01 | boudiccas | Calinou: can you give an example please? |
| 08:45.07 | bzed | boudiccas: use find. |
| 08:45.30 | Calinou | that too. |
| 08:45.39 | nevyn | find /home/boztu/Music -name *.jpg > /home/boztu/cron/jpg.txt |
| 08:45.57 | Calinou | applauses the average linux user. |
| 08:46.02 | bzed | nevyn: make that '*.jpg' |
| 08:46.06 | nevyn | yeah |
| 08:46.10 | nevyn | damn quoting. |
| 08:46.20 | bzed | or it will fail when there is a jpg file in the current directory |
| 08:46.22 | nevyn | it'd work if there were no jpg's in the current dir |
| 08:46.24 | nevyn | right. |
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| 08:46.46 | bzed | actually it depends on the shell, the zsh would shout at you that there is no *.jpg to expand :) |
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| 08:48.34 | boudiccas | nevyn: bzed thanks, thats done it! :) |
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| 09:08.25 | boudiccas | ok, final step. how cai read /home/boztu/jpg.txt which collects the *.jpg data from /home/boztu/Music and delete all of the jpg's please? |
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| 09:08.32 | boudiccas | *can i |
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| 09:11.23 | boudiccas | doing it programmitacally |
| 09:12.02 | nevyn | oh.. if you wanted to do that you should have said so. |
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| 09:12.34 | boudiccas | nevyn: sorry, i saw the problem as a 2-step process |
| 09:12.36 | nevyn | find /home/boztu/Music -name *.jpg --exec rm '{}' |
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| 09:13.09 | themill | -delete |
| 09:13.15 | nevyn | better ^^ |
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| 09:13.26 | themill | also saves all the syntax errors in that exec call ;) |
| 09:13.32 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 09:13.43 | nevyn | it's -exec |
| 09:13.54 | nevyn | damn non-gnu stuff! |
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| 09:17.04 | boudiccas | nevyn: i get this .. find /home/boztu/Music -name '*.jpg' --exec rm '{}' |
| 09:17.05 | boudiccas | find: unknown predicate `--exec' ... whats a 'predicate'? |
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| 09:18.22 | nevyn | boudiccas: read what themill said above |
| 09:18.30 | nevyn | find /home/boztu/Music -name *.jpg -delete |
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| 09:19.38 | prappl93 | I have a Radeon card with an HDMI out, got the HDMI out to work, but it is not playing sound through Alsa. Someone suggested adding the command "radeon.audio=1" to the boot line, but I don't know if this will work/how to do this. Any help? |
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| 09:20.01 | nevyn | boudiccas: find has 3 arguments. a start directory, a match pattern (can be omitted) and a predicate something to do. |
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| 09:21.51 | boudiccas | nevyn: ah, right. thanks. its worked now |
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| 09:22.56 | fasta | Where can I upload a Linux binary to see whether it is a virus? |
| 09:23.20 | fasta | I have a file in ~/.kde/Autostart which after I remove it comes back on reboot. |
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| 09:23.43 | Lasse- | What is it called? |
| 09:23.44 | fasta | It's called phatk120223Juniperv2w128l8.bin |
| 09:24.04 | fasta | I don't really get why it would contain OpenCL code and AMD stuff. |
| 09:24.16 | fasta | It's also not stripped. |
| 09:24.34 | nevyn | have you installed the amd binary drivers? |
| 09:24.37 | Lasse- | Isn't Juniper codename of one of the AMD Graphics chipsets |
| 09:24.46 | fasta | Lasse-: yes |
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| 09:33.16 | e-anima | i am looking for a graph viever for gnome that can display graphviz structures |
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| 09:36.32 | shadok | hi ! I'm trying to build a custom install cd through simple-cdd and I have a problem during the build-simple-cdd phase. Though I found somebody with the same problem I can't find a way to work around that: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/simple-cdd-devel/2010-August/000168.html |
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| 09:36.57 | shadok | the command I used (on ubuntu) is "build-simple-cdd --profiles-udeb-dist squeeze --debian-mirror http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian --dist squeeze" |
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| 09:36.58 | SimonSapin | Hi. I would like to see my software (WeasyPrint) packaged in Debian but I’m not familiar with packaging myself. Where should I start? |
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| 09:39.09 | nevyn | SimonSapin: #debian-mentors on oftc if you want to do it yourself... |
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| 09:41.27 | nevyn | SimonSapin: if you want someone to do it then file a bug against wnpp maybe? |
| 09:41.53 | SimonSapin | nevyn: to be honest I don’t use Debian myself so I’d rather have someone more familiar with these things to it |
| 09:42.34 | SimonSapin | nevyn: thanks, I’ll look into wnpp |
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| 09:45.35 | nevyn | SimonSapin: so... |
| 09:45.59 | nevyn | so the best bet would be find someone in your userbase. that wants it in debian and have them do it ;) |
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| 09:47.06 | ksk | hey. howto remove a service from starting at boottime? remove everything related in "rc?.d"? |
| 09:47.51 | SimonSapin | nevyn: I see, thanks. Someone recently packaged cairosvg, maybe they’ll be interested in WeasyPrint too |
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| 09:47.58 | nkuttler | ksk: man update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 09:48.10 | nevyn | looks up weasyprint that's actually pretty cool |
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| 09:48.21 | themill | ksk: rename the symlinks to K instead of S |
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| 09:49.12 | nkuttler | nevyn: we, yet another rendering engine? |
| 09:49.19 | nkuttler | s/we/ew/ |
| 09:49.35 | SimonSapin | nkuttler, nevyn: yes. We would like to talk about weasyprint a bit more, but it’s a bit tricky to install |
| 09:50.02 | nkuttler | SimonSapin: talk to weasyprint support? |
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| 09:50.16 | SimonSapin | nkuttler: I am weasyprint support |
| 09:50.23 | nkuttler | haha |
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| 09:50.39 | SimonSapin | It’s a print-oriented rendering engine, closer to princexml than webkit (apart from the license) |
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| 09:53.31 | brokencycle | hi! |
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| 09:55.27 | dokma | I can't find what is using a filesystem on /dev/sdb2. No combination of lsof, fuser and grep give out anything with the mount path |
| 09:55.34 | dokma | is there anything else I can try? |
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| 09:56.40 | gnarface | dokma: usually for me its a shell i forgot i had open that was cd'd into it |
| 09:56.46 | gnarface | dokma: or iceweasel |
| 09:57.10 | dokma | gnarface: that was the first thing I tried (shell) |
| 09:57.12 | Jaleks | might be a silly question, but: how am i able to start a xterm out of a script, so that it will be kept open after the script finishes? (e.g. `xterm -e "echo warning"`, keeping the terminal opened) |
| 09:57.16 | dokma | closed and opened them all |
| 09:57.23 | dokma | I'll try reopening my chrome |
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| 09:58.07 | XKaliber|2 | would anyone be willing to assist me with a no-so-debian issue? |
| 09:58.08 | dokma | wasn't chrome either |
| 09:58.26 | XKaliber|2 | a networking issue |
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| 09:58.44 | nevyn | nkuttler: rendering targeting paper is interesting tho |
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| 09:59.15 | fredl | hey guys, I try to install firebug 1.10 in iceweasel |
| 09:59.18 | nevyn | nkuttler: and a non-trivial problem |
| 09:59.18 | XKaliber|2 | I am maxing out at 30mbps on a 100mbps wired link to a cisco switch |
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| 09:59.36 | XKaliber|2 | I can't locate the bottleneck |
| 09:59.43 | fredl | but for some @(#)$ reason I keep getting 1.7.3 |
| 10:00.22 | fredl | is that because iceweasel (on Sid right now) lags behind firefox or something? |
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| 10:02.07 | shadok | I'll try differently... What is the "best" way to customize a netinstall image to include a preseed file in the ISO ? |
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| 10:03.15 | shadok | I need to be able to partition, install packages and modify configuration files automatically after the installation |
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| 10:05.43 | Jaleks | (OK: `xterm -T "Unable to continue $0" -e "echo -e \"$ERRMSG\";read FOO"`does it for me...) |
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| 10:06.25 | Jaleks | but how to determine if a script is started in console or via double click? |
| 10:06.59 | zax | Hi I have set up a daily cron job with root but i should be with user "mix" how do I change the cron job so that it is used by user mix? |
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| 10:09.05 | Ticho | tonsofpcs: fix your connection already |
| 10:10.04 | jargon- | how do u rsync with -u when the source box is in a different timezone, e.g. -2 hours from the destination box? |
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| 10:11.00 | boudiccas | !u |
| 10:11.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:11.03 | Jaleks | zax: what about using 'su'? |
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| 10:15.20 | zax | Jaleks: not sure thought it might be somthing like crontab -u username -e |
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| 10:19.17 | fredl | I just installed firefox, works right out of the box.... |
| 10:19.41 | fredl | Can anybody tell me how I can make it the default browser in gdm3? |
| 10:19.47 | jelly | jargon- was answered in ##Linux btw |
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| 10:20.35 | fredl | when I go to the system settings tool -> Details -> Default applications, firefox is not listed there, probably because I installed it in /opt/firefox |
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| 10:22.47 | Jaleks | zax: either that, then its in the crontab of the user or use `su mix -c $COMMAND` in the root crontab or /etc/crontab |
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| 10:23.10 | Jaleks | oops |
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| 10:27.09 | beardy | Backlightcontrol with pommed works with the nvidia-driver if switching to the console, changing, then back to X. FTR. |
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| 10:27.30 | Morteza1 | hi |
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| 10:27.44 | Morteza1 | how to upgrade debian 6 to 7 testing version? |
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| 10:28.53 | morteza_1 | how to upgrade debian 6 to 7 testing version? |
| 10:29.02 | Lasse- | morteza_1: Modify your sources.list? |
| 10:29.49 | themill | dpkg: tell morteza_1 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 10:31.20 | fredl | Can anybody tell me how I can make firefox the default browser in gnome 3? |
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| 10:32.26 | morteza_1 | Lasse-: I edited my source list |
| 10:32.38 | Lasse- | then run apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 10:33.47 | morteza_1 | Lasse-: I should to change my squeez source to wheezy |
| 10:34.21 | Lasse- | morteza_1: Yeah, change all squeeze entries to wheezy in your sources.list and then just run those commands. |
| 10:34.24 | Lasse- | Should do the trick. |
| 10:34.54 | Lasse- | but if you have third party repos there, check that they provide wheezy-packages |
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| 10:37.28 | morteza_1 | thanks guys |
| 10:38.15 | Lasse- | Entries can also be changed to testing but if you only want to update to wheezy and keep it wheezy, then changing them to wheezy is the way. |
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| 10:59.27 | borg0 | i have got a executable file on a usb stick the permissions for the file are rwxr_xr_x yet as root, i can execute it what gives???? |
| 10:59.45 | borg0 | i mean can not execute it as root or regular user |
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| 11:02.55 | borg0 | ;( |
| 11:04.21 | borg0 | man mount told me nothing, tried setting options in /etc/fstab no luck there, first i could not get the permissions to change, now the permissions are fine but it won't execute the files, file shows them as elf32 binaries, why cant i run the binary |
| 11:04.23 | borg0 | ? |
| 11:04.46 | Lasse- | What does it say when you try |
| 11:04.55 | borg0 | the usual "Permission denied" |
| 11:05.09 | Lasse- | when you run it as root? |
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| 11:05.41 | borg0 | same response root or normal user |
| 11:05.49 | Lasse- | Try chmod +x filename |
| 11:05.52 | Lasse- | makes it executable |
| 11:06.08 | borg0 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 borg0 borg0 108063 Jul 16 05:26 firefox |
| 11:06.09 | borg0 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 borg0 borg0 108067 Jul 16 05:26 firefox-bin |
| 11:06.33 | borg0 | files according to ls output are already executable ...... |
| 11:07.06 | Lasse- | Seems so |
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| 11:07.46 | locoabreu13 | yoo want run firefox from USB stick? |
| 11:07.53 | borg0 | I am wondering if there is something going on with the fact that it wont execute from the usb stick |
| 11:07.55 | themill | what filesystem is this? is it mounted noexec? |
| 11:08.12 | borg0 | its a nightly build, hang on i get fstab mount line |
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| 11:08.37 | borg0 | dev/sdb1 /usbvfatusers,rw,suid,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,utf8=1 |
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| 11:13.30 | borg0 | ok i fixed it but the output of mount DOES NOT reflect the change in my fstab file, i added exec to the options after users |
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| 11:18.11 | mystline | Hello everyone, I'm looking for a torrent of the debian DVD, im at this URL http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 11:18.12 | themill | changing fstab doesn't change existing mounts |
| 11:18.18 | mystline | do I need to download all DVD-# files? |
| 11:18.44 | bardzusny | first should be enough |
| 11:18.50 | Lasse- | mystline: First does fine for installations. |
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| 11:19.06 | bzed | mystline: actually even the netinstall image should be fine, if you have a useful internet connection |
| 11:19.07 | themill | (the netinst is normally enough for installations) |
| 11:19.18 | mystline | Thanks, wasn't sure if all were required for an install (threw me back to the days of having 10+ floppies for a distro, lol,) |
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| 11:19.33 | nsadmin | borg0, if it's vfat, that kind of filesystem doesn't have a way of doing chmod to anything inside it |
| 11:19.40 | mystline | themill: usually I would do that but not sure if this wifi card will work out of the box with netinstall so playing it safe |
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| 11:21.26 | nsadmin | borg0, it may even be that linux won't execute things on vfat without special arrangement |
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| 11:24.32 | nevyn | permissions of vfat are mount options |
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| 11:28.04 | nevyn | see the umask option to mount (in the fat section of the manpae |
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| 11:36.23 | jelly | ,v postfix |
| 11:36.25 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.1-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2.9.3-2+b1; wheezy: 2.9.3-2+b1 |
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| 11:58.19 | ksk | hey. |
| 11:58.58 | ksk | is there something like a manual page for ext4? or any documentation not written by random-blogger? |
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| 11:59.39 | abrotman | kernel docs |
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| 11:59.43 | themill | what are you really looking for? |
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| 12:00.11 | ksk | quota-configuration7options for ext4 (which seems to differ from xfs) |
| 12:00.19 | ksk | s,7,/, |
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| 12:02.15 | drigollier | hi all |
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| 12:05.35 | Jaleks | mystline: which wifi do you have? |
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| 12:06.55 | amregamhmed | hi drigollier |
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| 12:07.17 | mystline | Jaleks: lspci says Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) cant remember hte model name off the top of my head |
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| 12:08.18 | abrotman | ath5k |
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| 12:14.15 | Jaleks | mystline: in Debian stable AR5008 / ath5k has no matches in the package list, no idea when ath5k was added. The package 'firmware-atheros' has the Altheros drivers in it, maybe one is working. Try to install 'firmware-nonfree' to have it included |
| 12:14.58 | abrotman | it shouldn't need firmware .. it should just work |
| 12:15.09 | abrotman | if it doesn't, he many need a newer kernel form backports.debian.org |
| 12:15.46 | mystline | Jaleks: thanks for the pointers! no doubt i will be asking a few more questions if it doesn't work out of the box |
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| 12:16.28 | mystline | also, can debian install packages that have been copied to it via usb? on centos i can install .rpm's from the net assuming that .deb packages are similar? |
| 12:16.47 | abrotman | mystline: you don't need those firmware packages |
| 12:17.10 | abrotman | mystline: and it is not advised to isntall random packages from the web to Debian |
| 12:17.21 | abrotman | it's a really good way to bust the OS |
| 12:17.41 | mystline | ya i usually would not do it but this pc needs to have wifi, i dont have cords long enough nor do i want ethernet cords all around my living room! |
| 12:18.07 | abrotman | right, so start with backports.debian.org and try a newer kernel from there |
| 12:18.38 | mystline | abrotman: will do, any links to guides to installing this kernel easily? |
| 12:19.09 | abrotman | if Jaleks had bothered to read the description for that firmwrae-atheros package, he'd hsave seen it has nothing to do with your wifi card |
| 12:19.14 | ompaul | MentalAway: don't change your nick do /away it's much more civil |
| 12:19.23 | Lasse- | mystline: If you need packages from web, just get them from debian's package search in web |
| 12:19.26 | abrotman | mystline: there are instructions at backports.debian.org |
| 12:19.33 | abrotman | Lasse-: that's not a great plan either |
| 12:19.46 | mystline | abrotman: thankyou, i should have opened that site before asking such a silly question. |
| 12:19.48 | Lasse- | That's how I do it if needed. :) |
| 12:19.53 | Lasse- | Dunno how bad or good it is |
| 12:19.55 | mystline | Lasse-: that was going to be my first port of call for extra packages anyhow, thanks! |
| 12:20.08 | abrotman | Lasse-: so you just go to packages.debian.org/libc6 and grab a rnadom one and install it ? |
| 12:20.23 | Lasse- | no |
| 12:20.25 | abrotman | !tell mystline about grounding |
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| 12:20.39 | Lasse- | naturally I pick one for the distro I am using |
| 12:20.45 | Lasse- | stable for stable and so on. |
| 12:21.01 | mystline | abrotman: i have opened these to peruse whilst installing. |
| 12:21.03 | abrotman | you didn't tell him that .. he may just pick the newest .. which would probably break his OS |
| 12:21.18 | Lasse- | I would imagine he's smart enough to pick one that says the name of his distro. |
| 12:21.22 | mystline | Thanks everyone in the chan for the help, coming from centos and hoping to learn another stable server distro |
| 12:21.30 | mystline | usually i would play match ups, yes. |
| 12:21.33 | abrotman | Lasse-: you'd be surprised what people do :) |
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| 12:21.44 | mystline | i am primarily using debian as a way to get another stable server type distro under my belt. |
| 12:21.45 | Lasse- | I guess so :) |
| 12:22.07 | mystline | and i would rather you guys assume me a complete noob than have my self do something dumb and break a system. |
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| 12:22.15 | Jaleks | mystline: just install a package 'linux-image-...' e.g. `apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae' |
| 12:22.18 | mystline | so thankyou, for assuming the worst it may some day save my bacon |
| 12:22.33 | Jaleks | to have your newer kernel |
| 12:22.46 | mystline | Jaleks: i will try that first, thanks :) |
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| 12:23.21 | abrotman | Jaleks: no, that's wrong |
| 12:23.28 | abrotman | mystline: please stop listening to Jaleks |
| 12:23.36 | Jaleks | and abrotman was right the ath5k is already in my old 2.6.26 kernel, the description tells the driver package is only for usb drivers - might be i was reading a bit to quick |
| 12:23.47 | abrotman | he's roughly 0/10 |
| 12:24.07 | abrotman | mystline: read the instructions at the site, learn how to search for packages, then ask |
| 12:24.09 | mystline | okay, i will follow your advice abrotman! but answer me this! how do I know you are the right one! ;P |
| 12:24.10 | Jaleks | o, thanks, im quite sure apt-get will not work ? |
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| 12:24.19 | mystline | (i mostly kid) |
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| 12:24.27 | abrotman | mystline: i've been using Debian for 15 years or so ? |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | is old :( |
| 12:24.52 | mystline | abrotman: and that's good enough for me |
| 12:24.53 | Lasse- | Guess you have some experience then ;) |
| 12:24.57 | ompaul | abrotman: wrong on that one |
| 12:25.00 | mystline | i have barely been using computers for 15 years abrotman. FEEL OLDER? |
| 12:25.23 | ompaul | mystline: I wrote cobol in 1980 how young are you feeling again? |
| 12:25.34 | Lasse- | I barely have 10 years of Linux-experience. |
| 12:25.37 | mystline | feeling young is not a bad feeling |
| 12:25.42 | abrotman | ompaul: i had COBOL and RPG in Uni :) |
| 12:25.51 | ompaul | abrotman: RPG2? |
| 12:26.01 | ompaul | that was the version I used |
| 12:26.12 | bassliner | the bad thing about debian is that somewhen you realize you are logged into a machine via ssh that you have no damn idea where it physically is because it just ran smoothly for the last couple of years. |
| 12:26.13 | mystline | ompaul: yeah well i wrote a cms in php like, 6 years ago! hah. |
| 12:26.38 | mystline | then i went and had a shower and scrubbed the bad feeling away |
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| 12:31.52 | Jaleks | mystline: btw, when wanting to install a single package (e.g. your proprietary nvidia drivers) you just `dpkg -i package_name.deb`, even some rpm packages can get installed with usage of 'rpm' or converting with 'alien' |
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| 12:32.18 | Jaleks | but normally you of course won't want rpms |
| 12:32.37 | mystline | ya ijust mention RPM because i am familiar with them |
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| 12:33.47 | nkuttler | ew. installing rpms is a good way of breaking a server |
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| 12:34.13 | abrotman | he's just full of bad advice ... |
| 12:34.27 | aswen | hi there, I would like some help with the groups file |
| 12:34.43 | abrotman | so go ahead and ask |
| 12:34.55 | Jaleks | wooo, im so bad ^^ |
| 12:35.05 | ompaul | Jaleks: unless you are accurate with the opinion stuff can you please stop |
| 12:35.29 | ompaul | alien is a short cut to breaking computers - works for me is not good enough |
| 12:35.39 | aswen | tnx, I wonder what I cold have done wrong when /etc/groups is modified but getent group <groupname> doesn't show |
| 12:35.52 | aswen | ehr, /etc/group of course |
| 12:35.57 | abrotman | for your user ? |
| 12:36.13 | aswen | I've got a group "healthcare" |
| 12:36.18 | mystline | Jaleks: horay we can both be bad, and together not give advice to anyone in fear of being ridiculed by more expierenced users. |
| 12:36.48 | aswen | when I add a new user to that group (by typing ",username" at the end of the line healthcare |
| 12:36.59 | ompaul | mystline: you want a working machine, bottom line we don't want you doing things that break your box in any way, more so in a way you will need your backups |
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| 12:38.04 | ompaul | mystline: you do have backups? |
| 12:38.09 | mystline | ompaul: i live life on the edge with this machine and don't have backups |
| 12:38.19 | mystline | but it's a media center/ development box |
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| 12:38.27 | abrotman | mystline: if you're going to do stupid things, please don't come here to whine when your OS is in a million pieces |
| 12:38.30 | mystline | and i am at least smart enough to keep my system and files on seperate harddrives |
| 12:38.42 | mystline | abrotman: i dont plan on doing stupid things, i actively try to avoid stupid things! |
| 12:38.43 | ompaul | heh that won't save you in some use cases |
| 12:38.58 | mystline | ompaul: i have my media and impotant files backed up |
| 12:39.05 | mystline | for those cases! just not the system |
| 12:39.14 | aswen | then save the file and type "getent group healthcare" nothing new is shown |
| 12:39.20 | boudiccas | mystline: impotant files? really? |
| 12:39.27 | abrotman | aswen: and if you logout/login ? |
| 12:39.31 | ompaul | so you lied about no backups and living on the edge ... |
| 12:39.34 | aswen | did try |
| 12:39.47 | ompaul | wonderful |
| 12:40.03 | mystline | ompaul: well, in regards to the system. those others i backup semi-regularly to an external |
| 12:40.07 | aswen | but, when I try some other user (who never logged in) as far as I know should be effective immediately |
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| 12:40.30 | mystline | boudiccas: well, active things in development, config files etc |
| 12:41.05 | boudiccas | mystline: i was commenting on your use of the word 'impotant;! |
| 12:41.12 | ompaul | mystline: now, should I evaluate all your answers as not complying with anything close to accuracy - is this the right price of your flippant answers? |
| 12:41.17 | thewanderer1 | aswen: are you using nscd? try "nscd -i group" |
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| 12:41.54 | aswen | oh |
| 12:41.56 | aswen | nscd |
| 12:41.59 | aswen | grmlbl |
| 12:42.11 | mystline | ompaul: i am 6 white russians deep, i apologize if my answers are somewhat messy |
| 12:42.31 | mystline | boudiccas: likewise, i blame this on the delicious white russians, your joke completely went over my head |
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| 12:43.15 | aswen | why on earth is nscd a standard package? |
| 12:43.34 | mystline | thanks everyone for the help, i will now depart before i make even more of a fool of myself! |
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| 12:43.54 | themill | aswen: it's not |
| 12:45.06 | thewanderer1 | aswen: things sometimes pull it in as dependency, in particular ldap-related packages... |
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| 12:46.37 | aswen | hmmm |
| 12:46.46 | aswen | have to search for the cause of that |
| 12:46.59 | aswen | thanks for your helpfull answers guys! |
| 12:47.13 | aswen | I would never ever thought of nscd myself |
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| 12:51.55 | themill | aswen: "aptitude why nscd" will be informative |
| 12:52.24 | aswen | nable to find a reason to install nscd. |
| 12:52.31 | aswen | nable=unable |
| 12:52.34 | aswen | hahaaha\ |
| 12:53.07 | themill | just remove it then.. there's no package relationship between it and anything you have insatlled |
| 12:53.33 | aswen | that's why I wonder why it is installed, me nor my colleagues would do that |
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| 12:53.45 | aswen | i will remove it, hell yes |
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| 13:04.32 | MickeyKnox | I just switched a 3com network card for a realtek one and i have no network anymore. Isn't kernel supposed to just load the appropriate module? |
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| 13:05.07 | boudiccas | MickeyKnox: got the right drivers for it? |
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| 13:05.26 | dvs | MickeyKnox: try "ip link" |
| 13:05.28 | boudiccas | forget it |
| 13:05.36 | MickeyKnox | It's a standard realtek card, i expected it to just work |
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| 13:05.49 | dvs | it probably is |
| 13:06.01 | thewanderer1 | what card in particular? rtl8139? |
| 13:06.14 | MickeyKnox | aha.. a devive eth2 shows up |
| 13:06.19 | dvs | !70 |
| 13:06.19 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 13:07.06 | MickeyKnox | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 13:07.27 | thewanderer1 | see, it's showing up, just renamed by udev :P |
| 13:08.17 | MickeyKnox | how can i prevent this? i want my network card always to be eth0 |
| 13:08.29 | MickeyKnox | Why is udev doing this anyway? |
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| 13:08.34 | Pataloca | erahora1 |
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| 13:10.47 | dvs | !tell MickeyKnox about 70 |
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| 13:13.50 | MickeyKnox | dpkg, dvs: Thanks, that was my problem |
| 13:13.51 | dpkg | wish i knew, MickeyKnox |
| 13:14.25 | dvs | heh |
| 13:15.10 | MickeyKnox | hm.. dpkg is a bot, i guess |
| 13:15.19 | dvs | dpkg you're stupid |
| 13:15.20 | dpkg | goes and sulks in the corner |
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| 13:15.43 | MickeyKnox | :) |
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| 13:17.01 | peppe1989 | ciao |
| 13:17.07 | peppe1989 | !list |
| 13:17.07 | dpkg | peppe1989: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 13:20.29 | oscurochu | i just copied my flash drive onto my main hard drive, which contained debian. how to i configure grub to point to the computers hard drive, instead of the flash drive? |
| 13:21.02 | obiwahn | is it possible to split a nic in 2 virtual nic and use one to establish a pppoe connection and the other for normal lan? |
| 13:21.03 | oscurochu | im currently running from the flash drive, and chroot'd into the hard drive install |
| 13:21.38 | jhutchins | oscurochu: I presume you have squeeze/grub2? |
| 13:21.54 | oscurochu | not sure anymore |
| 13:22.06 | oscurochu | grub2 im pretty sure tho |
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| 13:22.50 | somiaj | oscurochu: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (I belive that is the right package if you already have grub installed, if not install it and it should ask you some questions) |
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| 13:23.36 | gratciAZ | trouble Driver Radeon 4250.. help |
| 13:24.20 | somiaj | gratciAZ: what is your trouble. I use that card with the free 'radeon' driver just fine. You may need to install linux-firmware-nonfree for that though. |
| 13:24.20 | oscurochu | this will reconfigure the menu to point to the correct devices so it doesnt try to load the partition from the flash drive? |
| 13:24.42 | oscurochu | how do i mount /sys? |
| 13:24.50 | somiaj | oscurochu: it should reconfigure grub, but make sure you have /proc and /dev mapped inside your chroot |
| 13:24.59 | somiaj | oscurochu: you could use mount --bind |
| 13:25.08 | somiaj | to bind /sys to /chroot/sys |
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| 13:25.35 | jhutchins | somiaj: Will that install grub to the new disk MBR as well? |
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| 13:26.30 | oscurochu | thanks |
| 13:26.32 | oscurochu | =) |
| 13:26.32 | somiaj | he may need to run grub-install afterwards, but it should reconfigure it to tell what disk to install it to |
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| 13:26.50 | gratciAZ | somiaj: oke i'll try, thanks |
| 13:26.52 | somiaj | its been a while since I had to do it with just a reconfigure, I know when you install that package it asks such questions |
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| 13:31.44 | somiaj | jhutchins: yea I just checked, it lets you pick what devices to install grub to when you reconfigure that package |
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| 13:34.29 | bnw | "apt-get upgrade" didn't upgrade the kernel, should I explicit run "apt-get install linux-image-amd64"? |
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| 13:35.09 | Diopter | bnw: apt-get dist-upgrade will grab the held back packages |
| 13:35.10 | dvs | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:35.12 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+45; wheezy: 3.2+45 |
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| 13:36.16 | ocx | can postfix be installed on debian? |
| 13:36.19 | stew | I've resized a partition which contains an lvm pv, but pvresize doesn't want to use the rest of the space. not sure why. anyone have any ideas? http://paste.debian.net/179471/ |
| 13:36.26 | uki | yes |
| 13:36.28 | stew | ocx: yes |
| 13:36.28 | ocx | i need a book as a system adminstrator to learn about debian |
| 13:36.34 | ocx | any suggested one? |
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| 13:36.42 | ocx | i already have a linux background |
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| 13:36.49 | uki | the ones in the repo |
| 13:36.51 | ocx | but need to dig into debian for the first time |
| 13:36.59 | stew | !reference |
| 13:36.59 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 13:37.03 | ocx | thanks |
| 13:37.59 | bnw | I installed basic system using the 6.05 xfce4+lxde CD, then upgrade to testing via network, other packages other than the kernel are up to date. |
| 13:38.03 | stew | I especially love that pvresize tells me that 1 volume was resized, when it wasn't |
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| 13:38.43 | stew | bnw: you can explicitly install a specific kernel package, or install the linux-image-$arch package which means "always install the latest" |
| 13:39.19 | boudiccas | ,v svn |
| 13:39.20 | judd | No package named 'svn' was found in i386. |
| 13:39.34 | dvs | ,v subversion |
| 13:39.35 | judd | Package: subversion on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-backports: 1.6.12dfsg-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.6.12dfsg-6; squeeze-security: 1.6.12dfsg-6; wheezy: 1.6.17dfsg-4; sid: 1.7.5-1 |
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| 13:40.45 | bnw | stew: Thank you, I was curious about "upgrade" did not upgrade the kernel. |
| 13:41.18 | stew | bnw: because the name of the package you have installed is something like "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64" and wheezy doesn't have a package with this name to upgrade to |
| 13:41.27 | ocx | from where can i download Kernel 2.6.38.8 |
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| 13:42.02 | themill | ocx: that kernel isn't anywhere in debian (and possibly never was). What are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 13:42.14 | stew | bnw: if you had the linux-image-amd64 package installed in squeeze, this declares a dependency on linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64. then when you upgrade to wheezy, you would have gotten the wheezy version of linux-image-amd64, which instead depends on linux-image-3.2.0-5-amd64, so that package would have been pulled in a as a new dependenyc |
| 13:42.51 | dvs | bnw: and "upgrade" won't pull in that new dependency |
| 13:42.51 | bnw | stew: understood, good to know this. |
| 13:42.58 | ocx | is it usually inside the debian img.gz file? |
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| 13:43.08 | ocx | i am trying to install an OS on a plug computer running ARM |
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| 13:43.30 | stew | dvs: depends on aptitude vs. apt-get, aptitude upgrade aka aptitude safe-upgrade would |
| 13:43.42 | stew | (i think) |
| 13:44.05 | stew | themill: fix my pvresize problem |
| 13:44.18 | themill | haha |
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| 13:46.03 | gnugr | themill:can you please setup judd bot in #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net? |
| 13:46.31 | themill | sure |
| 13:47.20 | gnugr | themill:thank you very much |
| 13:47.24 | kwork | ,v redmine |
| 13:47.25 | judd | Package: redmine on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-security: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.4.4+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-1 |
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| 13:50.05 | krababbel | I'm having rather large systemload according to uptime, about 0.8, basically doing nothing. Top only showed about 15% usage when I added the processes up. Where can I see the rest? |
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| 13:53.01 | Diopter | krababbel: Load average reflects several things, and isn't entirely comparable to CPU usage. |
| 13:53.50 | Diopter | krababbel: Primarily it's indicating the factor of how long processes have to wait for the same amount of CPU time. |
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| 13:54.08 | Diopter | krababbel: So higher load is not necessarily (and maybe not even usually) because of high CPU usage |
| 13:54.25 | Diopter | krababbel: Look for I/O wait (wa in top, D states on processes) |
| 13:54.29 | Diopter | krababbel: Maybe check iotop |
| 13:54.33 | krababbel | Diopter: I see, thanks |
| 13:54.52 | xayon | Uh, my irssi is crazy. It's giving me highlight when someone calls krababbel. |
| 13:55.06 | Diopter | xayon: Neat! And how about when I say your name? |
| 13:55.52 | krababbel | I rule the internet |
| 13:56.04 | slikts | how do I pro? |
| 13:56.06 | krababbel | xayon: |
| 13:56.20 | xayon | Diopter: Well, exacly the same result obviously. Uh, when krababbel names me it does not even react xD |
| 13:56.37 | krababbel | you are now my secretary |
| 13:57.00 | Diopter | xayon: Looks like irssi made you krab's bitch :D |
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| 13:57.54 | xayon | krababbel: I don't think you want to see me as a hot secretary. And, somehow this is the second time someone tells me that today |
| 13:58.28 | MickeyKnox | i have just configured grub to keep a higher resolution for the console, but now it is unreadable. What can i do about that? |
| 13:59.37 | krababbel | xayon: :) |
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| 14:00.24 | silverarrow | does anyone have an old iBook or powerpc? |
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| 14:01.30 | MickeyKnox | i mean the text in the console. grub itself looks the same |
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| 14:03.38 | jwasp | silverarrow: why do you ask? do you want it? |
| 14:04.24 | silverarrow | well, I mean, does anyone still try to keep them up and running |
| 14:04.37 | silverarrow | I have an iBook G4 which is still nice to work on |
| 14:04.49 | silverarrow | problem is media players in browser |
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| 14:06.44 | jwasp | yep flash support for powerpc is gone last time i checked |
| 14:07.02 | jhutchins_wk | I have an old PPC power book. Problem is that stuff detects "mac" and downloads macintel software. |
| 14:07.04 | boudiccas | MickeyKnox: logically, if it doesnt work at a high resolution then try it with a lower one! |
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| 14:08.04 | silverarrow | everything runs fine on this ibook except mediapalyers in browser, not flash or any other streams |
| 14:08.10 | MickeyKnox | i tried it with 800x800, the graphic card can even 1024x768 |
| 14:08.44 | boudiccas | mickeys800 is bigger than 768! there's your problem |
| 14:09.00 | silverarrow | jhutchins, so you have to be careful with what to download? |
| 14:09.07 | boudiccas | MickeyKnox: thats for you |
| 14:09.35 | jhutchins_wk | silverarrow: Well, a lot of sites - Garmin's for instance - auto-detect the OS instead of letting you pick it, and even if you can choose they often don't have ppc available. |
| 14:09.42 | fasta | I do newgrp RET groups, but then I don't see all the groups I am in. Why not? |
| 14:09.43 | MickeyKnox | ups.. i meant 800x600 |
| 14:09.51 | fasta | Isn't that pretty much the whole point of the newgrp command? |
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| 14:10.31 | stew | fasta: no |
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| 14:10.53 | stew | fasta: the poing of newgrp is to start a shell with a different egid |
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| 14:11.13 | fasta | stew: gid? |
| 14:11.17 | silverarrow | jhutchins, wonder if there could be a workaround for that, a sort of plugin that allowed stream on ppc |
| 14:11.24 | stew | fasta: i don't understand the question |
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| 14:11.33 | fasta | stew: what does egid stand for? |
| 14:11.38 | stew | effective group id |
| 14:11.47 | fasta | stew: ok |
| 14:12.02 | fasta | stew: thanks, I know enough. |
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| 14:12.59 | fasta | stew: so, if I basically just want to apply all new groups, I just need to run it repeatedly. |
| 14:13.13 | fasta | stew: in a nested way, that is. |
| 14:13.31 | stew | fasta: the standard way is to just login |
| 14:13.36 | Brustofski-Fan | How much longer for wheezy hits the stable release? |
| 14:13.48 | silverarrow | jhutchins, gnash for example really should work with powerpc, adaptable for NPAPI, and ppc should in theory ba a nonissue? |
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| 14:13.54 | fasta | stew: yeah, but I think the notion of killing my session is something from the 70s. |
| 14:14.14 | fasta | stew: is there some command which already does what I just described? |
| 14:14.20 | stew | fasta: no |
| 14:14.41 | MickeyKnox | boudiccas: It was a typo here. In the grub configuration i wrote 800x600. |
| 14:15.04 | fasta | stew: how did you get so 'hardcore', btw? |
| 14:15.22 | fasta | stew: you are one of the few which is mostly spot on. |
| 14:15.41 | fasta | stew: who are* |
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| 14:16.28 | stew | most of what I know about debian I learned in this channel |
| 14:17.21 | fasta | I was told for years that I had to relogin before I could do something with extra group credentials. |
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| 14:17.32 | fasta | But that was simply wrong. |
| 14:18.11 | fasta | It's also quite hard to know about all of the thousands of commands on a system. |
| 14:18.11 | nkuttler | fasta: apropos is a useful command |
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| 14:18.59 | silverarrow | I am afraid the best hope for powerpc users is a develper who likes his old ibook |
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| 14:21.23 | fasta | silverarrow: developers don't have that much patience ;) |
| 14:21.51 | Kanisterschleife | Hi. I have the nodeadkeys option in my xorg.conf, but still I need to press keys twice to get the desired sign (like ^ or ~). What could be wrong? |
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| 14:22.19 | silverarrow | fasta, a bit sad really |
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| 14:23.03 | fasta | silverarrow: you can also become a developer. |
| 14:23.26 | fasta | silverarrow: just requires 10 years before you create something worth looking at. |
| 14:23.43 | fasta | silverarrow: but that hasn't stopped anyone from opening a github account. |
| 14:23.51 | fasta | silverarrow: sadly. ;) |
| 14:23.58 | win5hit | hi there, i've inherited a pretty old debian machine. right now i try to get a "overview". one of the things i did (tried) is looking at the kernel msges... but there are none.?! dmesg residing under /var/log has a size of ZERO... How do i get kernel msg back ? ;) |
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| 14:24.16 | Brustofski-Fan | Where is a download link to wheezy ? |
| 14:24.22 | fasta | !wheezy |
| 14:24.22 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | Brustofski-Fan: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 14:27.13 | Brustofski-Fan | abrotman, Thanks... wheezy is about to go stable right? |
| 14:27.36 | boudiccas | Brustofski-Fan: no, give it 6 months |
| 14:27.39 | stew | Brustofski-Fan: no, it just got frozen |
| 14:28.15 | stew | Brustofski-Fan: it will go stable when the green line is very near zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 14:28.48 | boudiccas | stew: that needs to be a factoid, its goign to be said many times soon |
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| 14:30.19 | dkr | I think there are a couple factoids for that question already |
| 14:30.27 | Brustofski-Fan | stew, That green line is probly where most distro's are right now!! |
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| 14:30.54 | stew | Brustofski-Fan: yes, you'll notice that debian stable is the blue line |
| 14:31.56 | stew | !guess the release date |
| 14:31.58 | dpkg | Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and guess when the green line will reach 0. |
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| 14:32.19 | stew | that's the closest i find in http://ircbots.debian.net |
| 14:32.25 | Brustofski-Fan | stew, looks like at the end of the blue line the green drops just alittle closer to zero then the blue |
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| 14:32.52 | stew | Brustofski-Fan: yes, there are currently more known release critical bugs in stable than in testing |
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| 14:33.17 | stew | Brustofski-Fan: but a lot of that is becuse we discover release critical bugs that affect all versions, but are not worth fixing in stable |
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| 14:33.30 | stew | like "this package fails to build correctly when you build it twice in a row" |
| 14:33.43 | stew | that's release critical, but not worh fixing in stable |
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| 14:33.58 | _ramok | hi |
| 14:34.06 | _ramok | how can i set ulimit -n value? |
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| 14:34.25 | Brustofski-Fan | Thats true... Always better to fix something small in the upcoming |
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| 14:36.19 | Brustofski-Fan | I been trying some of these debian based distro's that are besed on the testing brance.. They seem stable... But suport side sucks!! |
| 14:37.05 | ilius | _ramok: what do you want to do? |
| 14:37.07 | dvs | #debian-next sucks? ;-P |
| 14:37.23 | _ramok | ilius: ulimit -n gives me a value of 1024 |
| 14:37.28 | _ramok | that seems a little bit low to me |
| 14:37.38 | _ramok | i would like to increase it to 2048 |
| 14:37.41 | _ramok | or 4096 |
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| 14:39.57 | confusid | How can I go about securing a system to allow free shell accounts? Not sure where to start reading. |
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| 14:41.28 | funyun | hi. i'm trying to install VMWare on my dedicated server. when i try to run it, i get this http://i.imgur.com/9kw4X.png . so i downloaded bzImage-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 from OVH but i don't know what to do next. can anyone help me? |
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| 14:41.51 | dkr | confusid: ssh chroot, perhaps? |
| 14:42.32 | confusid | dkr: just locking them in there /home/*? |
| 14:42.35 | confusid | never thought of that.. |
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| 14:44.28 | shadok | confusid: Have a look here, openssh supports chrooting http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039 but beware anyway ! |
| 14:44.48 | nsadmin | I have a debian machine pulling masq duty, and I would like a machine inside to be able to initiate irc dcc protocols like file sending |
| 14:45.02 | dkr | funyun: as per the error, you want kernel headers. that s means source code, not a bzimage |
| 14:45.20 | Frogec1 | anyone who uses debian 6? need some information |
| 14:45.26 | dvs | nope |
| 14:45.28 | ilius | _ramok: http://cherry.world.edoors.com/CPZKoGkpxfbQ |
| 14:45.32 | funyun | dkr: i also downloaded and unpacked this linux-2.6.34.6.tbz |
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| 14:45.43 | funyun | dkr: but i don't know what to do from there? |
| 14:45.49 | dkr | funyun: on the other other hand, if you use that kernel, then it might need to compile the kernel modules as its trying to do now |
| 14:45.52 | nsadmin | Frogec1, /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:45.54 | ilius | _ramok: ulimit just shows you the limits |
| 14:46.02 | boudiccas | Frogec1: just ask, dont ask to ask |
| 14:46.04 | dkr | funyun: er, might not need to |
| 14:46.30 | dkr | funyun: from here, I think you should read the vmware documentation. :) |
| 14:46.35 | ilius | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.38 | Frogec1 | i ask something last night and noone could help me |
| 14:46.56 | boudiccas | Frogec1: suit yourself |
| 14:46.58 | ilius | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.58 | nsadmin | Frogec1, ok, would you be willing to start over? |
| 14:46.59 | dkr | noone is often a troublesome fellow |
| 14:47.06 | funyun | dkr: that's what i'm doing. but i can't find anything |
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| 14:48.00 | ilius | Frogec1: then ask again |
| 14:48.54 | nsadmin | why are people trying to scare him away? |
| 14:49.04 | nsadmin | or intimidate |
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| 14:49.36 | Frogec1 | nsadmin: i have some problems with flash on every system i`ve got in last 2 monts. Can`t watch videos on porn sites i some videos on youtube and nobody can`t find solution. That`s the problem |
| 14:49.38 | TobsCore | Well, this is weird. I had some problems with my machine, running Debian 6. The other day it just crashed and wouldn't boot up, (getting stuck initializing ACPI). |
| 14:49.58 | dkr | nsadmin: perhaps you need a netfilter module like nf_conntrack_irc.ko |
| 14:50.05 | TobsCore | When I pressed F8 and waited a screen would come up and ask me to boot from harddrive or disk |
| 14:50.30 | TobsCore | and booting up from the specified harddrive would enable me to run debian. |
| 14:50.46 | nsadmin | Frogec1: ok, probably you need the nonfree adobe flash |
| 14:51.08 | TobsCore | But when I shutdown and try to boot again, it keeps getting stuck at the ACPI Controller Initilization (is this even a word?!). So I would have to press F8 again. |
| 14:51.14 | Frogec1 | nsadmin: have that and still dont work |
| 14:51.17 | abrotman | Frogec1: we asked you questions, you didn't answer |
| 14:51.18 | TobsCore | Does anyone know, how I could change that? |
| 14:51.18 | nsadmin | dkr, and the conntrack would |
| 14:51.32 | nsadmin | dkr, err, one sec |
| 14:51.47 | nsadmin | Frogec1, what browser does it work with? |
| 14:51.51 | Frogec1 | abrotman: what question? didnt see it |
| 14:52.12 | dvs | from last night |
| 14:52.37 | jeffrin | TobsCore : change what ? |
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| 14:52.48 | abrotman | Frogec1: You're using Chromium and gnash, right ? |
| 14:53.03 | dkr | nsadmin: I mean I think there is one for dcc too, not that particular module |
| 14:53.03 | Frogec1 | nsadmin: i`ve tryed with mozzila, iceweasel, google chrome and opera. It won`t work on any of them |
| 14:53.12 | Frogec1 | now i`m using chrome |
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| 14:53.45 | TobsCore | jeffrin: That I don't have to select, to boot from the harddrive and which one, before booting. |
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| 14:54.22 | TobsCore | I think something must have changed the drive order, or something, that the system tries to boot from the wrong harddrive. |
| 14:54.22 | public_morozov | hi there |
| 14:54.24 | public_morozov | =) |
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| 14:54.47 | jeffrin | TobsCore : do you have more than one os installed ? |
| 14:54.49 | TobsCore | public_morozov: Hey :) |
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| 14:55.12 | TobsCore | I'm not sure, but I believe, that I erased everything before. |
| 14:55.22 | nsadmin | Frogec1, ok. here's what you'll need to do now, there are now people who remember your situation from last night, and they may be willing to continue with you. if they are, that's what I recommend you do first, with the following addition: listen when they ask you questions. answer the ones you can, and communicate about the ones you can't |
| 14:55.31 | sweb | my server crash on load ... i want to know which daemon used my resource ... is any way for it |
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| 14:56.04 | TobsCore | jeffrin: It has 2 harddrives, so I'm not sure. And I cannot mount the other one. |
| 14:56.05 | jeffrin | sweb : may be you should try the log files |
| 14:56.16 | public_morozov | TobsCore) |
| 14:56.18 | TobsCore | jeffrin: While running my system. |
| 14:56.23 | nsadmin | if you do that, they can help (just as a datapoint, I'm running iceweasel now under squeeze and my thing is working just fine with one slignt inconvenience) |
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| 14:57.58 | jeffrin | TobsCore : Which is the OS that you want to boot first ? |
| 14:58.13 | TobsCore | Debian 6 |
| 14:58.43 | cardamon | why did I let eclipse upgrade? |
| 14:58.55 | dvs | !sns |
| 14:58.55 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:58.57 | jeffrin | TobsCore : do you have grub boot loader ? |
| 14:59.05 | TobsCore | I believe so. |
| 14:59.26 | cardamon | dvs: More laziness. |
| 14:59.40 | jeffrin | TobsCore : do you see the grub screen ? |
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| 15:00.12 | TobsCore | jeffrin: Yes |
| 15:00.42 | jeffrin | TobsCore : now select the OS which you want to boot |
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| 15:01.49 | TobsCore | jeffrin: The Grub Screen only appears, after pressing (and holding) the F8 key and selecting the correct harddrive |
| 15:02.34 | TobsCore | jeffrin: If I do not press this key, the computer gets stuck booting up, trying to load the ACPI Controller |
| 15:02.48 | Frogec1 | nsadmin: ok, i`ll try to do that, but now i`ve just wanted to ask somebody who uses debian 6 does he have same problem as i do because i want to find out is there problem with my PC or is it just problem to set this thing right. Thats all. |
| 15:03.14 | Frogec1 | P.S. Forgive me for mistakes cause i dont know english very well |
| 15:03.14 | jeffrin | TobsCore : may be you need to fix BIOS options |
| 15:03.50 | nsadmin | Frogec1, I use debian 6 and flash, and it works fine (also I can understand your typing; do you have any problems understanding me or anyone?) |
| 15:04.05 | jeffrin | TobsCore : do you mind trying to reset to BIOS defaults |
| 15:04.08 | TobsCore | jeffrin: I'll look at it. |
| 15:04.21 | jeffrin | TobsCore : look at it |
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| 15:05.47 | Frogec1 | nsadmin: for now no problem with understanding, just problem to answer how it should. It would be a lot more easier if there`s somebody frome Serbia or Croatia |
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| 15:06.44 | nsadmin | ok, thanks for letting me know that... if someone from serbia or croatia is available, we'' find him or her |
| 15:06.54 | TobsCore | jeffrin: You are awesome. |
| 15:07.35 | jeffrin | TobsCore : :) |
| 15:07.41 | TobsCore | jeffrin: Thank you very much, everythings working now. I wouldn't have figured that out. |
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| 15:08.30 | Frogec1 | thank you nsadmin :) I`ll stay connected so if anyone appears please let me know |
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| 15:09.29 | funyun | hi. i have a dedicated server that has a custom kernel. now i can't install vmware or virtualbox. can anyone help me fix this or install a normal kernel? |
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| 15:10.32 | nsadmin | Frogec1, in particular, abrotman does remember you, and may still have questoins |
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| 15:13.35 | abrotman | oh no .. he's all yours |
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| 15:14.31 | funyun | abrotman: hey bro. can you help me out? |
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| 15:14.47 | abrotman | funyun: you'd need the headers installed and available for vmware |
| 15:14.59 | abrotman | or use a Debian kernel that has headers available to it |
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| 15:15.17 | funyun | abrotman: for option #2. how do i do that? |
| 15:16.15 | nsadmin | abrotman, fine... do you have a history? |
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| 15:16.38 | abrotman | nsadmin: AFAIR, it wasn't useful, starting over may be better .. he was using chromium and gnash, not sure where he's at now |
| 15:16.52 | abrotman | funyun: dpkg --print-architecture says ? |
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| 15:17.01 | nsadmin | ok, good enough... thanks |
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| 15:17.20 | funyun | abrotman: amd64 |
| 15:17.22 | abrotman | i think i went to bed before he was done |
| 15:17.42 | nsadmin | no problem... if I stay awake, I'll find out what's up |
| 15:17.44 | abrotman | funyun: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 .. then get the headers and the dkms for vbox |
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| 15:18.18 | funyun | abrotman: will this delete everything on my server? |
| 15:18.28 | nsadmin | also I'd like to get a serb or croat with some skills to talk to him as he may be more comfortable |
| 15:18.31 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 15:19.10 | nsadmin | funyun, different kernel versions can be installed together, should be fine |
| 15:20.44 | funyun | abrotman: when i do apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) it still says Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
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| 15:22.34 | jelly | Frogec1: try #ubuntu-hr or #linux.hr channels |
| 15:22.50 | funyun | abrotman: even tho i installed linux-image-amd64 like you said |
| 15:23.31 | abrotman | funyun: you'd have to reboot to make it active ... |
| 15:23.39 | cardamon | Ugh. Trying to figure out how to remove eclipse. I aptitude removed it, but there's still a /usr/bin/eclipse and it still launches. |
| 15:24.20 | nsadmin | jelly, what's hr? |
| 15:24.35 | jelly | nsadmin: croatia |
| 15:24.41 | stew | cardamon: aptitude remove '~neclipse' |
| 15:24.52 | nsadmin | oh ok, thanks |
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| 15:25.50 | Frogec1 | jelly thanks |
| 15:26.05 | cardamon | stew: Thanks. |
| 15:26.24 | cardamon | How about installing from an a previously downloaded version? |
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| 15:29.03 | gele | I just upgraded to Wheezy and GNOME 3, and Xorg and gnome-shell are both using 7 - 8 % of the CPU (a 2 GHz Core2 Duo) while doing nothing except showing a 'top' in a gnome-terminal. Is this normal behaviour or should I be worried? |
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| 15:29.37 | funyun | abrotman: i rebooted and still get the same error |
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| 15:31.13 | gele | Load averages are consistently above 1 when just flicking through workspaces. |
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| 15:34.00 | cardamon | Hey, if I have a old package in /var/cache/apt/archives I want to reinstall, would I use dpkg -i or aptitude and some other method I'm not aware of. It will have quite a few deps, I'm sure. |
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| 15:34.44 | funyun | abrotman: still there? |
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| 15:35.56 | stew | cardamon: dpkg -i foo.deb ; if it fails due to missing dependencies, follow it with "apt-get -f install" |
| 15:35.57 | cardamon | gele: So? Faster doesn't mean more instructions at a time. Gnome 3 is a beast. |
| 15:36.24 | funyun | nsadmin: do you know why it's not working? |
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| 15:37.40 | nsadmin | I was watching a movie... no, why isn't it working? |
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| 15:38.22 | cardamon | stew: Thing is, apt-get -f install wants new versions of old packages there too. It's all eclipse stuff. I'm recovering from letting it upgrade to version that breaks my favorite plugin |
| 15:38.36 | gele | cardamon: Hm? |
| 15:38.41 | funyun | nsadmin: abrotman told me to install that kernel, then reboot, and "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" should work. but i still get this error "Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-headers-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64'" |
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| 15:39.32 | nsadmin | ok, could you show me uname -r? |
| 15:39.37 | nvz | funyun: you can't install kernel headers for a custom kernel |
| 15:39.39 | stew | cardamon: man apt_preferences ; /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 15:39.56 | funyun | nsadmin: 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 15:40.11 | nvz | funyun: if you built it yourself you should already have the headers, if not, then you're screwed, or need to contact the email address on the kernel and obtain the headers |
| 15:40.13 | stew | funyun: that's not a debian kernel, you need to find out who compiled that kernel and ask them |
| 15:40.25 | stew | that looks like a OVS kernel or whatever that hosting company is |
| 15:40.33 | ManoftheSea | grsecurity? |
| 15:40.36 | cardamon | so dpkg -i eclipse-verIwant.deb wants eclipse eclipse-jdt and eclipse-pde, and while it says >=3.7.2-1, I doubt pulling all of those from the current sources will work. |
| 15:40.37 | nsadmin | funyun, is that the same as earlier? |
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| 15:40.39 | yazdmich | how do i stop gnome? |
| 15:40.40 | funyun | stew: yes. OVH |
| 15:40.45 | funyun | nsadmin: yes |
| 15:40.47 | stew | yeah, that's it |
| 15:40.59 | nsadmin | ohh |
| 15:41.10 | nvz | yazdmich: service gdm stop |
| 15:41.11 | funyun | stew: i've downloaded this "ftp://ftp.ovh.net/made-in-ovh/bzImage/2.6.34.6-3/linux-2.6.34.6.tbz" but i don't know what to do from there |
| 15:41.15 | nsadmin | stew, so he can't change his kernel? |
| 15:41.25 | stew | nsadmin: what do you mean? |
| 15:41.41 | nsadmin | stew, is he stuck? |
| 15:41.45 | funyun | nvz: yes, i tried that. no response |
| 15:42.15 | stew | funyun: does that contain source? or just an image? |
| 15:42.19 | cardamon | stew: How would that help? |
| 15:42.32 | funyun | stew: yes, the source |
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| 15:42.51 | stew | funyun: does it include a .config? |
| 15:42.52 | ManoftheSea | make-kpkg kernel-headers? |
| 15:42.54 | nvz | funyun: well you could be using lightdm or something.. idk |
| 15:43.05 | nvz | funyun: oh sorry.. heh.. got issues confused |
| 15:43.11 | cardamon | is there a way to dpkg -i multiple packages at once? |
| 15:43.22 | stew | cardamon: dpkg -i pkg1.deb pkg2.deb pkg3.deb |
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| 15:43.41 | funyun | stew: what folder would that be in? |
| 15:43.43 | nvz | got a tiny toy doberman here who keeps trying to crawl on my lap and is making me crazy cause I'm trying not to let it bump this damn USB device I'm running off of |
| 15:43.45 | stew | cardamon: pinning would convince apt that it would rather have the older version of certain pacakges instead of tryihng to upgrade them |
| 15:43.52 | stew | funyun: the top level one |
| 15:43.52 | cricri | I have asus k84 laptop and i cant enable vertical scrolling |
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| 15:44.17 | stew | funyun: you could try untarring this and linking /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build to this directory |
| 15:44.48 | funyun | stew: arch? |
| 15:45.05 | stew | funyun: i don't understand the question |
| 15:45.37 | funyun | stew: how would i link those? |
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| 15:46.09 | Soothsayer | I need to upgrade PHP on my server from the present package of 5.3.3 to something greater than 5.3.8 due to some bugs in PHP and the codebase I need to deploy. I never anticipated this issue before, so I'm pretty clueless as to what to do. (I'm not a pro server admin, merely know my ways around package management and installing lamp stacks through aptitude). What are my options? |
| 15:46.09 | stew | ln -s /path/to/linux/source /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 15:46.35 | hotwings | having trouble getting nfsv4 working correctly on debian testing. anyone around at the moment that i could msg a few questions to? or know a good forum i could post in about it? |
| 15:46.38 | Soothsayer | I discovered http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ (But I'm wondering if this upgrade is going to be transparent or will it affect other packages like Webmin/Virtualmin, etc which are on the server) |
| 15:46.42 | boudiccas | Soothsayer: what version of debian? |
| 15:46.45 | stew | Soothsayer: don't use dotdeb |
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| 15:46.54 | Soothsayer | boudiccas: squeeze |
| 15:47.15 | Soothsayer | stew: why not? |
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| 15:47.38 | stew | Soothsayer: because they have a history of being low quality and having problems |
| 15:47.47 | funyun | stew: "sudo ln -s linux-2.6.34.6/ /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build" gives me "ln: creating symbolic link `/lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/build': No such file or directory" |
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| 15:48.00 | nsadmin | Soothsayer, they are also not bound by debian policy |
| 15:48.09 | Soothsayer | stew: hmm.. whats my next best option? |
| 15:48.26 | stew | Soothsayer: fix your codebase |
| 15:48.38 | Soothsayer | stew: can't. its not mine, third-party-framework |
| 15:49.02 | themill | refrains from helpful suggestions like "rewrite in a sensible language" |
| 15:49.25 | ksk | theres no suitable package in backports? |
| 15:49.33 | ksk | guess you will have to compile it yourself then |
| 15:49.51 | javierHund | is happy themill didnt start a flamewar, script kiddi, eh php programmers are easily offended |
| 15:49.53 | stew | Soothsayer: you can try to backport php5 from testing, then you subscribe to security related lists so that you know when you have to try to backport security patches from newer versions of php5 to your backported version of php5, so that you can rebuild your php5 packages |
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| 15:50.23 | stew | judd: checkbackport php5 |
| 15:50.30 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 15:51.00 | stew | themill: what does the "virtual" thing mean at the end of checkbackport output? |
| 15:51.15 | funyun | stew: "sudo ln -s linux-2.6.34.6/ /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build" gives me "ln: creating symbolic link `/lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/build': No such file or directory" |
| 15:51.20 | themill | stew: virtual: libc-client-dev,libjpeg-dev | libjpeg62-dev,libpng-dev | libpng12-dev |
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| 15:51.32 | stew | ah |
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| 15:51.46 | stew | funyun: are you inside some virtual server? |
| 15:52.04 | Soothsayer | that's going a little over my head. how steep / safe is doing this? |
| 15:52.09 | funyun | stew: no. i'm trying to install a virtual server. vmware |
| 15:52.34 | stew | Soothsayer: unsafe. you are giving up debian's security support for php, and php is something that has security problems all the time |
| 15:52.44 | themill | stew: it satisfied build-deps with virtual packages... it's partly an internal implementation detail of that bit of code but also a useful warning that a bit more luck might be needed since virtual build-deps are usually where dragons hide |
| 15:53.00 | stew | themill: gotcha, thanks |
| 15:53.05 | stew | funyun: /lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 doesn't exist? |
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| 15:53.52 | funyun | stew: no, but there is 2.6.26-1-amd64/ 2.6.26-2-amd64/ 2.6.32-5-amd64/ in that dir |
| 15:54.29 | nsadmin | [ -d /lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 ] && echo "yes it does exist" || echo "correct, it does not exist" |
| 15:54.34 | themill | stew: in /msg, checkbuilddep accepts a --verbose option that explains what it concluded. |
| 15:54.39 | stew | funyun: i don't know then, this is not a standard setup. talk to the hosting company |
| 15:54.45 | daois | Hi, I'm launching a game on a separate xsession (ctrl+alt+f8), but the sounds is going throught my speakers rather than through my headset (which has its own soundcard and it's selected in gnome's audio assistant). What should I be doing? I really have no idea |
| 15:54.46 | nsadmin | funyun, what does that code say? |
| 15:55.23 | nsadmin | and, stew's is a good thing to do now |
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| 15:55.26 | funyun | nsadmin: type it in exactly like that? |
| 15:55.44 | nsadmin | well you'd have to type it in? |
| 15:55.47 | funyun | stew: they don't respond |
| 15:55.58 | stew | funyun: find a better hosting company then |
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| 15:56.16 | funyun | nsadmin: "correct, it does not exist" |
| 15:56.26 | nsadmin | don't bother, it's just a "let's make really sure" |
| 15:57.08 | nsadmin | ok good enuf |
| 15:57.41 | nsadmin | that is a weird, nonstandard setup, and we don't know how far down the rabbit hole it goes |
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| 15:58.47 | stew | funyun: does /boot/config-$(uname -r) exist? |
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| 15:59.26 | stew | funyun: or better yet, what does "grep CONFIG_MODULES /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return? |
| 15:59.31 | funyun | stew: -bash: /boot/config-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64: No such file or directory |
| 15:59.41 | stew | funyun: what about /proc/config.gz ? |
| 15:59.48 | funyun | stew: grep: /boot/config-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64: No such file or directory |
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| 16:00.02 | funyun | stew: bash: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
| 16:00.37 | stew | funyun: what does "lsmod | wc -l" return? |
| 16:00.46 | cardamon | I borked something up: http://paste.debian.net/179490/ |
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| 16:01.38 | funyun | stew: Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory and the 0 on the next line |
| 16:02.17 | stew | funyun: ah ok, so your kernel doesn't support modules |
| 16:02.52 | stew | funyun: so compiling vmware modules for your kernel is futile |
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| 16:03.14 | daois | Hi, I'm launching a game on a separate xsession (ctrl+alt+f8), but the sounds is going throught my speakers rather than through my headset (which has its own soundcard and it's selected in gnome's audio assistant). What should I be doing? I really have no idea |
| 16:03.57 | stew | daois: you could try createing a ~/.asoundrc that directs sound to the right sound cart, perhaps |
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| 16:04.21 | maplesoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.39 | nsadmin | funyun: do you need the names of other hosting companies who do respond to your requests for service and whose installations are more standard? |
| 16:05.00 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: You haven't told the webserver that those files are executable and configured a handler for them. |
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| 16:05.30 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk hm... can you elaborate |
| 16:05.38 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: In regular apache I think it's the execCGI directive, which can be set by directory and in .htaccess |
| 16:05.47 | funyun | nsadmin: would this help at all? http://wiki.artica.fr/index.php/VirtualBox:_Unable_to_start_Virtual_Machines_on_OVH_servers |
| 16:05.53 | stew | tomcat doesn't know anything about cgi or .htaccess |
| 16:06.10 | jhutchins_wk | Nonetheless, the basis of the configuration is the same. |
| 16:06.17 | stew | no, not at all |
| 16:06.35 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk i never made .php files +x though |
| 16:07.07 | stew | maplesoft: you would perhaps if you were using cgi, but foget cgi, it doesn't have anything to do with jsp pages |
| 16:07.10 | nsadmin | funyun, is it written in french? :) |
| 16:07.19 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: That's not the only way to do it. |
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| 16:07.32 | funyun | nsadmin: no |
| 16:07.48 | maplesoft | stew jhutchins so what do i need to do first? |
| 16:08.04 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: stew appears to know tomcat, I only know apache. |
| 16:08.15 | maplesoft | stew so? |
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| 16:08.23 | cardamon | I broke something and now can't install the packages: http://paste.debian.net/179490/ |
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| 16:09.05 | eptalon | heyas |
| 16:09.09 | stew | cardamon: show us the output of "apt-cache policy eclipse eclipse-pde eclipse-jdt" |
| 16:09.17 | stew | maplesoft: i've never used tomcat before |
| 16:09.24 | maplesoft | stew making them executable and configureing handler is the only problem i have to solve? |
| 16:09.31 | maplesoft | jhutchins ^ |
| 16:09.34 | stew | maplesoft: no do not make them executable |
| 16:09.37 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk ^ |
| 16:09.46 | maplesoft | stew oh. so ? |
| 16:09.47 | eptalon | a perhaps very basic question: does a DVD(-Video) also specify the resolution of the movie? |
| 16:09.56 | jhutchins_wk | stew: execCGI is not just for CGI file, it's for any kind of executable code. |
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| 16:10.04 | eptalon | as in: if I author one, can I pick any resolution? |
| 16:10.16 | stew | jhutchins_wk: great! its got nothing to do with tomcat or jsps |
| 16:10.28 | cardamon | stew: http://paste.debian.net/179493/ |
| 16:10.42 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: Ok, what you need to do is look at what handlers are set up for the standard /var/lib/tomcat/webapps directory and how it alows them to be executable, and replicate that for /var/www instead. |
| 16:10.48 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: That or move your files. |
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| 16:11.06 | stew | jhutchins_wk: wtf does executable have to do with anything? |
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| 16:11.19 | jhutchins_wk | stew: We are not really looking for what has nothing to do with the question, we are looking for how to make his system work. Can you contribute? |
| 16:11.27 | maplesoft | jhutchins how to look and change handlers? |
| 16:11.51 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: All I can tell you is to look at the default configuration and see what it does. |
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| 16:11.58 | nsadmin | funyun, ok, so according to that page and those instructions, it's apparantly possible to run a different kernel |
| 16:12.14 | stew | jhutchins_wk: no, i don't know tomcat, i've worked with lots of other java app servers, but not tomcat |
| 16:12.21 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk wheres the default config file that you are refering to |
| 16:12.42 | funyun | nsadmin: would you be able to help me with this? http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=239 |
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| 16:13.17 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: Like I said, and as stew is so generously emphasising, I don't know tomcat. I'm trying to give you some general principles so maybe you can dig it out of what you have. |
| 16:13.17 | funyun | nsadmin: that shows how to install a new kernel but it is very outdated |
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| 16:13.39 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: The docs are pretty good if you can find 'em. |
| 16:13.46 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk ok. where are those config files. |
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| 16:13.59 | jhutchins_wk | maplesoft: Or keep trying here for someone who knows, that's about all I can offer. |
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| 16:14.20 | cardamon | stew: should that have meant something to me? |
| 16:14.46 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk just tell me where is the config file that has the info you refered. handler etc |
| 16:14.59 | maplesoft | jhutchins_wk i have read docs and changed ports |
| 16:15.03 | maplesoft | but cant find that info |
| 16:15.21 | stew | cardamon: note the installed version of eclipse-pde, that seems wrong |
| 16:15.55 | maplesoft | or tell me some easy version for runing .jsp instead of tomcat |
| 16:15.59 | cardamon | stew: Well, now I just want whatever the latest candidate version are. My understanding of where I screwed up earlier has changed. |
| 16:16.15 | cardamon | So now I'm fixing the descendant screwups. |
| 16:16.30 | stew | cardamon: you want exactly which version? |
| 16:17.08 | cardamon | 3.8.0~rc4-1 |
| 16:17.14 | nsadmin | funyun, I can't take this on since once this is done, maybe it can't be undone, and definitely you lose support (such as it is :P ) from your provider. |
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| 16:17.38 | nsadmin | I also don't have the chops to handle any situation that can arise |
| 16:17.45 | cardamon | stew: I was going to try sudo aptitude remove '~neclipse' and then go back to scratch and try to just install eclipse again. |
| 16:18.02 | cardamon | without mucking around in old debs. |
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| 16:18.34 | funyun | nsadmin: i'm fine with that. i just feel like if i do it by myself, i'm guaranteed to screw up |
| 16:18.47 | nsadmin | that's kinda where I'm at too |
| 16:18.54 | stew | cardamon: aptitude install eclipse |
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| 16:19.01 | nsadmin | here's what I'm afraid of: |
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| 16:20.34 | cardamon | stew: Without doing any of the stuff I said I was going to try, that'll just get me the same error I told you. |
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| 16:20.46 | Diopter | funyun: What is OVH? Is this some sort of hosting provider? VPS? Cloud? |
| 16:20.46 | cardamon | The same as: http://paste.debian.net/179490/ |
| 16:21.45 | funyun | Diopter: yes. i have a dedicated server with them |
| 16:22.12 | Diopter | funyun: If it's a dedicated server, do you have DRAC or similar remote access to the console (such as a KVM)? |
| 16:22.29 | funyun | Diopter: no |
| 16:22.51 | Diopter | funyun: Then it doesn't sound like you actually have a dedicated server. Maybe it's not what you think it is. Or your provider just blows :P |
| 16:23.10 | stew | Diopter: wait, why do you think it isn't dedicated? |
| 16:23.16 | funyun | Diopter: i can have KVM. but it costs |
| 16:23.30 | Diopter | funyun: Ah. So you're just on a restricted package of some kind. |
| 16:24.07 | funyun | Diopter: perhaps. i'm not sure |
| 16:24.08 | Diopter | stew: Because not having the ability to at least get the provider to console in for you probably means it's not as "dedicated" as you think it is. |
| 16:24.18 | Diopter | stew: I work for one of the largest hosting providers :P |
| 16:25.06 | Diopter | funyun: Well, my goal in the questions was... if you just install a new kernel and update-grub, and it fails to boot, someone can in theory pick the old kernel for you from grub if they have console access. |
| 16:25.12 | stew | Diopter: oh, i have tons of dedicated servers where I don't get console access. and its not because its not dedicated, its becauase it is cheap |
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| 16:25.19 | doublehp | !help |
| 16:25.26 | nsadmin | with you, you don't have physical access to the machine... with me, we get to hold a conversation :) |
| 16:25.45 | nsadmin | doublehp, hi, welcome to debian suppor |
| 16:25.48 | nsadmin | t |
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| 16:25.56 | stew | Diopter: though I suppose that all the new ones I get these days i have SOME kind of console access |
| 16:26.18 | Diopter | stew: I don't consider that terribly dedicated in any sort of support sense. Sounds like lowbrow colo so it can be sold dirt cheap and require no expertise beyond rack'n'stack in the DC :P |
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| 16:27.14 | funyun | stew: would you be able to help me with this? |
| 16:27.19 | funyun | stew: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1544 |
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| 16:28.35 | stew | Diopter: exactly |
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| 16:29.15 | stew | funyun: that thread seems to just confirm what we already figured out |
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| 16:30.12 | funyun | stew: you mean that vmware/virtualbox cannot run on a custom kernel? |
| 16:30.52 | stew | funyun: that you have a non-modular kernel |
| 16:31.11 | stew | and so trying to compile vmware modules for a non-modular kernel is a non-starter |
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| 16:31.37 | stew | i don't know if vmware can be used with a non-modular kernel, or what, screw vmware, its non-free bullshit software |
| 16:32.09 | funyun | stew: but i can get a new kernel with the method in that thread, correct? |
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| 16:33.15 | Diopter | stew: They actually Disabled the module loading subsystem in the kernel config? |
| 16:33.21 | nsadmin | funyun, you could try pursuing this, and there's a good chance you'll run into blocks one after the other... the only upside is, if you can get thru it then you can use cheaper hosting |
| 16:33.31 | stew | Diopter: yes, like CONFIG_MODULES=n |
| 16:33.37 | Diopter | Wow |
| 16:33.39 | Diopter | That's hardcore :P |
| 16:33.45 | stew | funyun: i didn't see one |
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| 16:34.10 | nsadmin | your other choice is to bail |
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| 16:34.34 | stew | Diopter: at least that's what I'm figuring on, /proc/modules doesn't exist, we can't verify that its actually CONFIG_MODULES=n because neither /boot/config-$version nor /proc/config.gz exist |
| 16:34.48 | funyun | nsadmin: is there any other way to get a virtual OS running? |
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| 16:34.57 | Diopter | That's exciting. |
| 16:35.05 | stew | funyun: it sounds like you have other kernels already installed, you could try reconfiguring your bootloader and hope that they boot |
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| 16:35.42 | stew | funyun: and without a console, when they don't boot, you'll be relying on them to walk over to the machine and fix it for you |
| 16:35.51 | nsadmin | funyun, I would say research providers (initial step for each, polite conversation) and then pick one |
| 16:35.55 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 16:36.09 | nsadmin | yeah, you want the console thing |
| 16:36.22 | nsadmin | yes it is more expensive |
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| 16:59.29 | Brustofski-Fan | Every distro uses nomode set with different ways... what debian command for it... with the 2.6 kernel i have to use that in order to boot cd |
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| 17:01.53 | leo-unglaub | hi, i am looking for a good twitter client in debian testing. any ideas? |
| 17:02.06 | intore | hi, could you help me to resolve a problem with a broadcom wifi network card? the connection to a wifi router runs but it doesn't run connecting to my telephone set as hotspot. in kern.log the error message is "b43-phy0 ERROR: MAC suspend failed". |
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| 17:03.31 | slidesinger | When I put a package on hold (e.g. postgresql,) does it also place all the dependencies on hold (e.g. postgresql-8.4?) |
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| 17:04.05 | slidesinger | I would think the answer to be yes, but I wanted to double check. |
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| 17:05.01 | jhutchins_wk | slidesinger: Depends on how the dependencies are set. |
| 17:05.07 | Brustofski-Fan | How do i set nomodeset in kernel area of the netboot cd |
| 17:05.21 | jhutchins_wk | slidesinger: If they're set as a specific version, or if there's a maximum version then yes. |
| 17:05.53 | jhutchins_wk | If it's like libfossic.so > 3.2 then no, they'll update. |
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| 17:06.38 | slidesinger | postgresql depends on the latest version of postgresql, so that will update? |
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| 17:08.30 | dorphalsig | Hello |
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| 17:09.00 | dorphalsig | I am trying to install squeeze to an IBM x235 server with a RAID-5 SCSI array |
| 17:09.19 | dorphalsig | however when I try to install it it freezes and gives me blinking keyboard leds |
| 17:10.36 | boudiccas | dorphalsig: need more information, at what *exact* point does it freeze? |
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| 17:11.24 | dorphalsig | boudiccas: it seems to load network drivers |
| 17:12.06 | dorphalsig | and it just stops there |
| 17:12.31 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: what do the logs on the third or fourth console say |
| 17:12.31 | boudiccas | dorphalsig: what version of the installer are you using? cd? dvd? netinst? business card? |
| 17:12.53 | dorphalsig | multiarch netinst |
| 17:14.03 | dorphalsig | Cant look at the logs... everythings frozen |
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| 17:14.09 | dorphalsig | wont even work on ctrl alt +del |
| 17:15.06 | Brustofski-Fan | I have a new hp laptop with ati radeon.. 6xxx how do i do nomodeset on netinstall cd for squeezy |
| 17:15.27 | Brustofski-Fan | squeeze |
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| 17:18.19 | dynamolyke | ciao a tutti |
| 17:18.37 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: Add it on the boot menu |
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| 17:20.14 | dynamolyke | !list |
| 17:20.14 | dpkg | dynamolyke: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 17:20.36 | Brustofski-Fan | jhutchins, i know that.. but every distro has different commands for it.. like arch uses nomodeset acpi=off and other are different |
| 17:20.38 | stew | its nice that they always say hello before trying to find warez from our bot |
| 17:20.48 | stew | dynamolyke: hey, what exactly are you looking for? |
| 17:21.07 | mystline | can anyone tell me the repo where git-core is contained? running a fresh install of 6.05 squeeze |
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| 17:21.38 | mystline | most guides just say apt-get install git, but in my install it does not have this in the standard repos for some reason. |
| 17:21.50 | stew | mystline: they are both in the standard repos |
| 17:21.53 | zecrazytux | mystline: main |
| 17:22.03 | dynamolyke | !list |
| 17:22.04 | dpkg | dynamolyke: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 17:22.07 | stew | mystline: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:22.21 | stew | dynamolyke: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 17:22.22 | Brustofski-Fan | jhutchins_wk, i know that.. but every distro has different commands for it.. like arch uses nomodeset acpi=off and other are different |
| 17:22.28 | hotwings | need help getting my nfsv4 shares working right. can someone please look at: http://pastebin.com/7xyZHupS |
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| 17:23.12 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: it says something about bad area no semaphore |
| 17:23.43 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: It varies from kernel to kernel within a distro as well. |
| 17:24.22 | thewanderer1 | dorphalsig: does this server use Intel graphics built into the processor? |
| 17:24.22 | zecrazytux | hotwings: don't you want the crossmnt option ? |
| 17:24.34 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: So.... I think the squeeze installer is 2.6.32 |
| 17:24.44 | Brustofski-Fan | jhutchins_wk, right the 3.2 kernel i don't have to use the command... but squeeze is the 2.6 right |
| 17:24.47 | mystline | ahh turns out it may not have automatically added then because i performed an offline install, does that sound right? |
| 17:25.19 | themill | mystline: yes |
| 17:25.35 | hotwings | zecrazytux - ive never heard of that |
| 17:26.05 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: Unless someone here is willing to confirm what to use you're just going to have to try it. I don't know how to do log searches in irssi yet, I think someone mentioned the correct format earlier today. |
| 17:26.11 | mystline | themill: thanks, just found http://debgen.simplylinux.ch which has solved my problem |
| 17:26.14 | Brustofski-Fan | jhutchins_wk, i need to know what way debian uses the nomodeset command... every distro don't use the same words in it |
| 17:26.17 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: It _should_ be documented in the installer page. |
| 17:26.20 | zecrazytux | hotwings: export the root with crossmnt, then subpaths without |
| 17:26.20 | themill | mystline: please don't use that site... |
| 17:26.28 | themill | dpkg: tell mystline about make squeeze sources.list |
| 17:26.28 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: Right. |
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| 17:26.35 | zecrazytux | hotwings: also root path should have fsid=0 |
| 17:26.37 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: You may have to do trial-and-error |
| 17:26.58 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Do you know where the kernel options like nomodeset for the squeeze installer are documented? |
| 17:26.59 | themill | mystline: that website encourages you to do all sorts of things and, for bonus points, generates sources.list entries for repos that don't exist. |
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| 17:27.20 | dorphalsig_ | Sorry, got booted |
| 17:27.41 | mystline | ah i did not see that pm from the bot, thanks, i just used it for the URL's mainly, but i will use your reccomendation. |
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| 17:28.22 | Brustofski-Fan | jhutchins_wk, how do i tell what firmware i need for my network card... i can boot the wheezy netinstall but i need the firmware for my network card... right now im in fedora |
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| 17:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: Kinda depends on which network card it is. |
| 17:29.08 | sney | !firmware image |
| 17:29.08 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 17:29.19 | mystline | and that also explains why my dist-upgrade was so tiny! thanks for the help :) |
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| 17:30.01 | dorphalsig | I have the log image now... |
| 17:30.02 | Brustofski-Fan | jhutchins_wk, i know... but isent thre a command that tells what card you have |
| 17:30.04 | dorphalsig | http://postimage.org/image/dql3608sb/ |
| 17:30.05 | jhutchins_wk | Brustofski-Fan: THere are even more possibilities out there, modeset=0, radeon.modese=0, etc. |
| 17:30.26 | boudiccas | Brustofski-Fan: lspci |
| 17:31.07 | Brustofski-Fan | radeon.modeset=0 sounds right |
| 17:31.11 | themill | jhutchins_wk: I can't point you to the specific place, no. Never needed to look for them |
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| 17:31.39 | NChief | anyone know where the pure-ftpd channel is? |
| 17:31.52 | dorphalsig | So retaking where I left. Im installing debian on a HW raid-5 array, and it stalls when checking the hardware. The logs say something about a no semaphore and then a timeout. a Picture of the log can be seen here. http://postimage.org/image/dql3608sb/. |
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| 17:32.04 | dorphalsig | Goes without saying that any help would be appretiated :) |
| 17:32.12 | hotwings | zecrazytux - all i dirs i want to share are in /mnt/lan, so i need to set /mnt/lan to fsid=0 or? |
| 17:32.19 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: 32bits or 64bits ? |
| 17:32.53 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: 32 and 64 both hangup at the same point... |
| 17:33.12 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: have you checked the ram ? |
| 17:33.33 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: it was working.... |
| 17:33.34 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: have googled quickly and one guy had a faulty ram stick |
| 17:33.38 | zecrazytux | hm |
| 17:33.40 | zecrazytux | k' |
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| 17:35.02 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: the machine was working.... but will do a ramtest |
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| 17:37.05 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: hm, looks like a kernel oops |
| 17:37.21 | zecrazytux | is it squeeze or wheezy ? |
| 17:38.24 | boudiccas | zecrazytux: squeeze |
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| 17:40.21 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: what's the exact raid/scsi controller ? sorry if I did not catch up |
| 17:41.05 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: ummmm its an IMB ServeRaid |
| 17:41.28 | dorphalsig | I think the controller should be something like ip something |
| 17:41.35 | dorphalsig | hold on lemme fetch the name |
| 17:41.48 | zecrazytux | any vendor/product id ? |
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| 17:43.40 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607906 |
| 17:44.01 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26692 |
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| 17:45.32 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: comment#1 suggest a workaround (that is weiiird... but...) |
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| 17:49.45 | kephra | does someone has a guess, when Wheezy becomes stable? |
| 17:49.52 | ksk | nope |
| 17:49.54 | n-iCe | soon |
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| 17:50.34 | ksk | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 17:50.43 | zecrazytux | n-iCe: soon is in between 6 and 12 months, right ? :) |
| 17:51.31 | kephra | i have several lenny installations - and wonder, if I wait for wheezy and skip squeeze for them |
| 17:51.43 | ksk | kephra: never |
| 17:51.51 | zecrazytux | kephra: production ? |
| 17:52.00 | zecrazytux | if you don't need, don't |
| 17:52.17 | kephra | yes - production sites - so I dont want to many updates (e.g. NO kernel updates) |
| 17:52.27 | zecrazytux | don't :) |
| 17:52.49 | stew | kephra: if you don't want many updates, you don't want wheezy which is updated multiple times a day |
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| 17:53.07 | slikts | is there a name for the principle of letting computers do what they can do better than humans? |
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| 17:53.26 | kephra | thats why I ask, if anyone has an idea when wheezy becomes stable |
| 17:53.28 | slikts | automation? |
| 17:53.40 | stew | kephra: it looks like either 2012 or 2013 |
| 17:54.05 | stew | kephra: it will depend on how fast the 650 or so remaining releease critical bugs are fixed and what other are discovered before then |
| 17:54.21 | stew | kephra: see http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ it happens when that green line is near zero |
| 17:54.25 | zecrazytux | slikts: ask them, they certainly are better than us as giving the answer. oh, unless you are looking for a buzzword ? :) |
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| 17:54.54 | slikts | zecrazytux: I was looking for a word |
| 17:55.05 | slikts | labels are useful |
| 17:55.23 | kephra | *hm* the broken xterm that is shipped with wheezy is not release critical ;-( |
| 17:55.25 | slikts | you don't have to spell out the definition with a label |
| 17:55.41 | zecrazytux | kephra: how broken is it ? |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | slikts: artificial intelligence |
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| 17:56.03 | zecrazytux | slikts: is "cloud" a label then ? :) |
| 17:56.21 | slikts | zecrazytux: yes, it's a useful label |
| 17:56.27 | slikts | abrotman: hmm, thanks |
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| 17:56.38 | kephra | zecrazytux, last stable xterm was 243 - any thing later has critical bugs when it comes to utf/latin1 switching/interoperability |
| 17:56.49 | abrotman | slikts: in a vague notion anyway |
| 17:57.02 | kephra | broke = most versions crash, if you feed them the wrong data |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | slikts: if you mean to let the computer decide which it can do better |
| 17:57.39 | stew | kephra: that doesn't sound release criitical, sounds like normal or important, but is this in the bts? |
| 17:57.47 | slikts | abrotman: no, I mean things like doing repetitive stuff or keeping a lot of details in memory, where human organisms fail |
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| 17:57.58 | abrotman | slikts: let's use #debian-offtopic |
| 17:58.01 | abrotman | it's not realated to Debian |
| 17:58.04 | stew | kephra: how exactly would I trigger this bug? |
| 17:58.21 | kephra | stew, dont know - I dont submit bugs, because debian bug system publishes email addresses on the web - attracting spam |
| 17:58.36 | stew | kephra: you don't know what? |
| 17:59.05 | kephra | dont know, if its in the bts - only discussed it with the xterm author so far |
| 17:59.25 | jordanm | kephra: you can send bug reports from an address that is undeliverable and then subscribe to it using your real email address |
| 17:59.49 | stew | kephra: can you look in the bts to see if it exists? |
| 18:00.09 | stew | jordanm: no, please, no |
| 18:00.44 | sney | I have never once in my life received a spam email that could be explained by a spammer scraping bugs.debian.org |
| 18:00.56 | kephra | is it possible to delete an email from an existing bug (I once did the error to use debian bts) |
| 18:01.03 | stew | kephra: no |
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| 18:01.49 | stew | the bugs are widely distributed, even if debian had a way to let you remove them from a bug, they bugs are copied all over the place, to mailing lists, and the mailing lists get mirrored in lots of places |
| 18:01.57 | delvalle26 | Quick question for anyone running sid, does mess segfault upon being run? |
| 18:02.14 | sney | !pieces |
| 18:02.15 | dpkg | i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 18:02.29 | stew | delvalle26: check the bts |
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| 18:03.10 | delvalle26 | stew: Already did, no bugs reported... |
| 18:03.17 | stew | delvalle26: so report one |
| 18:03.34 | delvalle26 | k, will do, just wondered if someone had run into it and knew a quick workaround |
| 18:03.59 | delvalle26 | i was using the svn version, and just installed the debian package, segfault... |
| 18:04.02 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: so its just taking the quiet out of the kernel line? |
| 18:04.25 | stew | if someone did, they should be reporting it to the bts. if there was a quick workaround, the bug in the bts would be the logical place to document it |
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| 18:04.55 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: yes. have a try |
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| 18:05.24 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: Just checked. There is no quiet option in my installer... |
| 18:05.28 | delvalle26 | stew: Thanks, I'm reading over the Bug Report page so I can at least submit somthing useful |
| 18:05.36 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: but looks definitely like a kernel bug, which has been taken upstream |
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| 18:05.57 | sney | delvalle26: you can also use the 'reportbug' program |
| 18:06.11 | delvalle26 | yeah I think I will give it a try :D |
| 18:06.12 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: do you know what is the exact model ? vendor:product name ? |
| 18:06.31 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: I'm finding it out.... |
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| 18:07.51 | trysten | hi #debian! |
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| 18:08.48 | dvs | bah! |
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| 18:11.23 | davistv | How do you escape special characters in a password in wpa.conf? |
| 18:11.38 | davistv | backslash doesn't seem to help. |
| 18:12.34 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: LSI Logic® 53C1030 / dual channel Ultra320 SCSI controller (LVD 320MB/sec) / on planar / 64-bit 100MHz PCI-X / supports RAID-1 mirroring with up to one hot-spare disk / shared with optional IBM ServeRAID™-6i Controller for low-cost RAID 0, 1, 1E, 5, 00, 10, 1E0, 50 |
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| 18:13.31 | tal041482 | hey guys working on a debian system is there a good way to lock down access so nothing can connect to a specific eth port? |
| 18:13.55 | dkr | pull the plug :) |
| 18:13.57 | streuner__ | tal041482: disable internet |
| 18:14.06 | nkuttler | or just burn the box |
| 18:14.24 | dkr | tal041482: do you mean physically connect? |
| 18:14.43 | nkuttler | tal041482: man hosts_access or iptables |
| 18:14.46 | tal041482 | i mean it needs outbound connections |
| 18:14.53 | zecrazytux | tal041482: iptables |
| 18:15.07 | tal041482 | what do i put in there? |
| 18:15.16 | zecrazytux | rtfm ? |
| 18:15.24 | SiD- | dhclient: parse_option_buffer: malformed option dhcp.pop-server (code 70): option length exceeds option buffer length. |
| 18:15.29 | SiD- | whats that? |
| 18:15.30 | nkuttler | tal041482: http://netfilter.org/documentation/ |
| 18:15.42 | SiD- | can i change the buffer length? |
| 18:15.56 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: can you issue a lspci -vvv by any chance ? |
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| 18:16.18 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: anyway, I would recommend testing a newer kernel |
| 18:16.42 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: also, have a check to modinfo mptsi and docs about this module |
| 18:16.52 | zecrazytux | looks like that's your driver |
| 18:17.12 | zecrazytux | and that it is a bit buggy with your particular hardware in this particular version |
| 18:17.28 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: sometimes, a kernel or module option can save you |
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| 18:17.33 | davistv | Anyone have a suggestion for escaping special characters in passwords used in wpa_supplicant? |
| 18:17.45 | tal041482 | I was under the impression there was a file i could edit that would control |
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| 18:19.38 | simonlnu | davistv: single quote the whole string? |
| 18:19.41 | enlace_quimico | apt-get install fonts*, is this a good idea or bad idea? |
| 18:19.49 | nkuttler | tal041482: there are several tools to help with making firewall rules if prefer that |
| 18:19.53 | davistv | simonlnu: Tried that too. |
| 18:19.59 | nkuttler | tal041482: if you prefer that |
| 18:20.00 | davistv | Double quotes as well. |
| 18:20.09 | simonlnu | hm. i'd hit up a search engine |
| 18:20.16 | BullShark | fresh install of 32 bit debian lenny and on apt-get update, i am getting a bunch of messages like these W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 18:20.41 | BullShark | not all repositories aren't working, but enough that i can't even get results from apt-cache search php5 |
| 18:20.47 | streuner__ | BullShark: no wonder, lenny isnt supported yet |
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| 18:20.55 | davistv | I have, didn't find anything helpful. Someone suggested changing the password to hex, but gave no example of how that's used. |
| 18:20.57 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: it says adaptec serveRaid controller |
| 18:21.08 | zecrazytux | BullShark: lenny is archived |
| 18:21.36 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: what tell you that ? |
| 18:21.46 | dorphalsig | lspci -vv |
| 18:21.48 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: if that's lspci, pastebin it |
| 18:22.00 | zecrazytux | it don't give a damn about the name :) |
| 18:22.35 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: Im running in a rescue disk, can I start some SSH or telnet server so I can connect? |
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| 18:22.52 | tal041482 | I have an odd question maybe someone can help me with. is there a way to debian to load into ram and not touch the boot disk? |
| 18:23.19 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: some companies sell hardware that was made by another. the good way to identify an hardware is often the vendor:product ids |
| 18:23.30 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: sure |
| 18:23.46 | dorphalsig | how? :$ |
| 18:23.57 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: hu. what's your rescue disk ? :D |
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| 18:24.04 | zecrazytux | tal041482: debian live ? |
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| 18:24.15 | streuner__ | tal041482: sure, thats very odd, why do you think you need that at all? |
| 18:24.16 | tal041482 | basically i would like to have a machine boot up off of a thumb drive but never make changes to the drive.so if the machine reboots it goes back to the image on the thumb drive. |
| 18:24.40 | zecrazytux | tal041482: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 18:24.48 | tal041482 | streuner__: it is an appliance that will be on a client network. |
| 18:25.55 | tal041482 | and if they screw with it i need to be able to power cycle it and go from there. |
| 18:26.41 | BullShark | what is the latest supported release of debian |
| 18:26.44 | zecrazytux | or unionfs(install on the hard disk read only + ram) |
| 18:27.03 | dvs | BullShark: Debian 6.0 (squeeze) |
| 18:27.21 | BullShark | dvs ☠ would that be experiemental? |
| 18:27.27 | BullShark | testing, or stable |
| 18:27.29 | dvs | BullShark: Debian 7.0 (wheezy) is in testing |
| 18:27.37 | BullShark | i see |
| 18:27.59 | stew | BullShark: 6.0.5 is the current stable. you'd have to define what you mean by "supported" |
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| 18:29.13 | tal041482 | how does the liveboot work? im not seeing a verry clear description do you build your sytem then make it a live boot system? |
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| 18:30.24 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: http://postimage.org/image/jejazpgzx/ |
| 18:30.38 | dorphalsig | Couldnt really get the ssh up, so I just took a pic |
| 18:30.50 | nvz | tal041482: there was something called bootcd |
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| 18:31.57 | nvz | tal041482: it worked that way, was a script to take a running distrom and make it live |
| 18:32.10 | tal041482 | bootcd huh |
| 18:32.18 | tal041482 | i will look it up |
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| 18:32.50 | tharkun | !coffee nvz |
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| 18:33.01 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: hmm, not sure of the following, but... |
| 18:33.26 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: from what i understand from your first shot (kernel oops), the debian installer tries to load and use mptsi |
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| 18:33.56 | nvz | !info bootcd |
| 18:34.02 | zecrazytux | mptSOMETHING |
| 18:34.09 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.28 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 18:34.13 | dorphalsig | aha... |
| 18:34.20 | nvz | couldnt get to p.d.o |
| 18:34.27 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: while your rescue system uses 'ips' |
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| 18:34.36 | nvz | tal041482: ^^ see dpkg response |
| 18:34.38 | zecrazytux | modinfo mptsas: Fusion MPT SAS Host driver |
| 18:34.50 | zecrazytux | modinfo ips: IBM ServeRAID Adapter Driver 7.12.05 |
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| 18:35.14 | zecrazytux | so. you should try forcing ips whithin the debian installer |
| 18:35.17 | zecrazytux | that's my thought |
| 18:35.19 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: I couldnt get the rescue mode up completely. I just opened a console on console #2 |
| 18:35.36 | dorphalsig | and did the lspci |
| 18:35.36 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: that's another system, right ? |
| 18:35.43 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: or this is the debian installer ? |
| 18:35.57 | dorphalsig | debian installer -> advanced -> rescue mode |
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| 18:36.18 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: I see |
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| 18:37.18 | dorphalsig | and while the resuce mode was loading Ij ust opened another console |
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| 18:37.21 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: can you try this simple hack: remove or move mpt* modules before the debian installer scans for the disks |
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| 18:37.42 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: Can you walk me through it? |
| 18:38.11 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: well, from within the debian installer, before it scans for hardware and freezes |
| 18:38.24 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: open up a console (ctrl alt f2 should do) |
| 18:38.28 | dorphalsig | so I just open a busybox console and then... |
| 18:38.44 | dorphalsig | where do I find those modules? |
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| 18:38.52 | dorphalsig | rmmod? |
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| 18:39.11 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: and : find /lib/modules/ -name *mpt* -type f -exec rm {} \; |
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| 18:39.34 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: also look if they are loaded (i believe they are not) |
| 18:39.42 | jordanm | zecrazytux: always quote args that contain characters special to shell syntax |
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| 18:42.31 | zecrazytux | jordanm: gosh, 2 more characters while it does not matters in this case :). but yeah, that's a good practice |
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| 18:44.15 | jordanm | zecrazytux: it matters if he is in a directory that actually matches *mpt* |
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| 18:44.48 | zecrazytux | jordanm: I do know, but chances are near zero in this particular case :) |
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| 18:45.22 | zecrazytux | sigma5 probability :) |
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| 18:47.23 | dorphalsig | zecrazytux: looks like that worked |
| 18:47.25 | dorphalsig | thanks! |
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| 18:48.52 | zecrazytux | dorphalsig: I don't know a better, saner way to disable a specific module from loading at install. anyway, glad that it helps you |
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| 18:49.15 | zecrazytux | ^^^^^^anybody have a clue ? how to prevent debian installer to load a specific module, without rebuilding it ? |
| 18:49.17 | jhutchins_wk | zecrazytux: -delete can replace -exec rm |
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| 18:50.18 | jhutchins_wk | I think there's a generic method of disabling a module from the kernel boot command, but I don't quite recall it. |
| 18:51.43 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 18:52.35 | GNU\colossus | anyone in here using mplayer2 from backports and can confirm that the process doesn't properly exit upon completing playback of an audio-only (MP3 in my case) file? |
| 18:52.44 | GNU\colossus | I'm using pulse as my ao |
| 18:52.51 | zecrazytux | jhutchins_wk: thanks for improving my find skills ;) (to others that would potentially discover that: beware of the position of the option; it takes precedence) |
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| 18:56.49 | prappl93 | My computer is outputting a resolution that doesn't quite fit my monitor, and every time I change the resolution, the screen goes black and the system seems to be entirely non-responsive. Is there anything I can do to force the screen to stay on a certain resolution at boot that won't take up too much of the display? |
| 18:57.28 | jhutchins_wk | prappl93: I believe you can specify the resolution of the framebuffer from the boot command, I know you can disable it. |
| 18:57.38 | zecrazytux | jhutchins_wk: module_name.blacklist=yes maybe ? |
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| 18:58.04 | jeffrin | prappl93 : are you talking about X windows |
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| 18:58.58 | prappl93 | jeffrin, this is happening inside of GNOME so I'd assume, yes. |
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| 18:59.43 | jeffrin | prappl93 : is it GNOME 3 ? |
| 18:59.50 | prappl93 | jeffrin, yes |
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| 19:00.44 | jeffrin | prappl93 : try going to command line |
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| 19:01.18 | jeffrin | prappl93 : and do /etc/inid.d/gdm3 stop |
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| 19:01.41 | jeffrin | prappl93 : stop GNOME using gdm |
| 19:01.59 | jeffrin | prappl93 : do you know how to do that ? |
| 19:02.25 | prappl93 | jeffrin, not entirely sure. Ctrl+Alt+F1 then /etc/inid.d/gdm3 stop right? |
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| 19:03.04 | jeffrin | small correction .. it is init.d and not inid.d |
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| 19:03.42 | prappl93 | Alright. After I do that, what do I do? |
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| 19:04.38 | jeffrin | prappl93 : Xorg -configure |
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| 19:05.11 | jordanm | Xorg -configure hasn't been needed in years |
| 19:05.36 | zecrazytux | jordanm: i had to use it myself many times |
| 19:05.40 | jordanm | the results from Xorg -configure are basically set at runtime now |
| 19:05.43 | mystline | is there any way to force debian to use an i386 repo instead of an amd64 one? |
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| 19:05.58 | zecrazytux | jordanm: unless you want to deal with xrandr |
| 19:06.01 | jordanm | zecrazytux: many times for me as well, but not in years |
| 19:06.04 | mystline | I tried to install the debian-ports repo but there is no amd64 folder in most of the mirrors i have looked at |
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| 19:06.34 | prappl93 | What do I do while I'm in Xorg -configure? |
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| 19:07.48 | zecrazytux | prappl93: it should gives you a xorg.conf file that you can edit, test, and then move to /etc/X11/xorg.cong |
| 19:07.56 | stew | mystline: debian-ports are only for exotic architectures that aren't suported by debian proper |
| 19:08.01 | stew | mystline: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:08.03 | jeffrin | prappl93 : i have to ask one thing . were you able to run GNOME in some resolution ? |
| 19:08.22 | mystline | stew: ahh! dont worry, i won't need it then |
| 19:08.35 | jordanm | if his resolution was not auto-detected, its more than likely a driver issue, rather than a lack of hard-coded values in xorg.conf problem |
| 19:08.39 | mystline | not sure why it was in here o_o i need some sleep, thanks stew :3 |
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| 19:08.55 | prappl93 | jeffrin, the other day, it was working just fine, and I could see everything, but I got on today and now it's at 1920x1080 and this display is weird about over-stretching the feed for an HDMI cable, so I can't see the top GNOME panel. |
| 19:09.06 | zecrazytux | jordanm: agreed. but that's an easy work around |
| 19:09.09 | jordanm | but who knows, we haven't even seen the Xorg.0.log, or know what graphics card is in use |
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| 19:10.04 | zecrazytux | prappl93: that's your screen resolution, ad what does Xorg reports (look at the logs) |
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| 19:10.56 | jeffrin | prappl93 : did you run "Xorg -configure" on commandline as root |
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| 19:11.45 | zecrazytux | Xorg -configure should gives the same config as the runtime autogenerated config |
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| 19:12.34 | prappl93 | jeffrin, I haven't done that yet. I'm still on the computer that I am troubleshooting. |
| 19:13.15 | prappl93 | I think the biggest part of my problem is my card isn't in the list of supported cards in the log... |
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| 19:14.27 | zecrazytux | prappl93: which driver is being used ? |
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| 19:14.59 | prappl93 | Some Radeon system backend |
| 19:15.06 | youlysses | Are there ALOT more people on here than @OFTC, or am I just imagining things? |
| 19:15.21 | prappl93 | youlysses, yes. |
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| 19:15.52 | youlysses | prappl93: To the former, or the later? :-P |
| 19:15.59 | prappl93 | youlysses, both. Lmao |
| 19:16.51 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, I would be running fglrx, but there is a dependency issue that I can't seem to figure out how to get around |
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| 19:18.15 | krababbel | Why is Helvetica fonts so bad? I read it like that because it not being a true-type-font. Why is that? |
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| 19:20.39 | prappl93 | Is there a way to fix the problem with fglrx that I have or should I just ride it out and use the Xorg one? |
| 19:21.30 | abrotman | in wheeezy? |
| 19:21.42 | prappl93 | Squeeze |
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| 19:21.52 | abrotman | they broke fglrx in squeeze too ? |
| 19:22.22 | prappl93 | It gives some dependency issue about abi-6.0 |
| 19:23.05 | sparr_W | I've got a server that's mostly headless, but it has X installed for when someone wants to manage it locally. If I boot it with no monitor connected, then later connect a monitor, trying to change from X to a virtual terminal (1-6) results in a bit of graphics corruption and no further screen activity until I switch back to VT7. Booting with a monitor connected doesn't encounter this same problem. Suggestions? |
| 19:23.16 | zecrazytux | prappl93: you're not being clear, you should give us details of what issue you are running into, what you are doing, what are in the logs... |
| 19:23.47 | kevlarman | sparr_W: kms or ums? |
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| 19:25.50 | proby | !ops |
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| 19:26.06 | groupcat | proby: knock it off |
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| 19:29.00 | jeffrin | prappl93 : is your problem fixed ? |
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| 19:29.39 | plotino | hi everybody |
| 19:29.54 | plotino | can you recommeand me onre good pdf reader for debian? |
| 19:30.17 | proby | evince |
| 19:30.18 | nvz | plotino: xpdf *shrug* a pdf reader is a pdf reader |
| 19:30.26 | zecrazytux | plotino: epdfview; evince comes with gnome |
| 19:30.44 | nvz | no matter how pretty the program you cant hide the ugliness of pdf |
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| 19:30.58 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, I came in here because my resolution is too big for this screen, and has been for the past few (maybe 5 in all) boots. I went to adjust the resolution, and when I did, it resulted in the screen (GNOME3) going dead, and the rest of the computer became unresponsive. I would GLADLY put log info in here if you'd just tell me what section, seeing as I am a first-time Debian user and have no idea what looking at a massive output of |
| 19:30.58 | prappl93 | stuff will tell me, especially when you don't tell me where to look. |
| 19:31.18 | larks | nvz: it sure beats doc files though `-` |
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| 19:31.50 | zecrazytux | prappl93: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:31.50 | plotino | thanks |
| 19:31.54 | plotino | other question |
| 19:32.06 | plotino | i have installed abs-guide on debian |
| 19:32.13 | plotino | how to use it? |
| 19:32.15 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, I know which log it is. I do not know what details you want out of it, and I am not about to copy and paste that whole thing into here. |
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| 19:32.32 | zecrazytux | prappl93: use pastebin |
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| 19:33.30 | zecrazytux | prappl93: most people that would help you know what to look for, to much information is better than to few :) |
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| 19:33.55 | prappl93 | http://pastebin.com/zLuz8krs |
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| 19:36.14 | zecrazytux | hmm, dri is disabled |
| 19:37.01 | zecrazytux | that should not affect the resolution, but might explain your "fglrx issue" (being slow i suppose ? or what ?) |
| 19:37.25 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, fglrx is UNINSTALLABLE is what I said about it. |
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| 19:37.31 | prappl93 | I'm having an issue with the xorg backend |
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| 19:41.41 | zecrazytux | prappl93: I did not understand that... (even with backlogging) |
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| 19:42.17 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, I said that in the chat that I couldn't install fglrx because of a dependency issue. |
| 19:43.13 | zecrazytux | hm; gnome3. wheezy then |
| 19:43.22 | zecrazytux | did you have a look to the bts ? |
| 19:44.28 | prappl93 | Um, no. Squeeze. Also said this in chat... |
| 19:45.26 | zecrazytux | how did you install gnome3 on squeeze ? |
| 19:45.41 | zecrazytux | it is not available for squeeze, is it ? |
| 19:45.46 | themill | it is not |
| 19:45.46 | prappl93 | Squeeze is the most recent one, is it not? |
| 19:45.59 | zecrazytux | latest stable, yes |
| 19:45.59 | prappl93 | I have no idea. |
| 19:46.09 | prappl93 | And it came on there. |
| 19:46.25 | zecrazytux | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 19:46.41 | prappl93 | 6.0.5 |
| 19:46.44 | themill | gnome3 does not come with squeeze |
| 19:46.48 | zecrazytux | gosh ! |
| 19:47.20 | zecrazytux | prappl93: have you any reference to testing, wheezy, or sid in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:47.49 | prappl93 | Nope |
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| 19:48.22 | zecrazytux | are you sure this is gnome3 ? something like dpkg -l | grep gnome ? |
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| 19:49.15 | prappl93 | Guess it's 2.3. I got confused by gdm3. My bad |
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| 19:54.05 | zecrazytux | prappl93: what's the desired resolution? |
| 19:54.43 | prappl93 | I'd like it to be running at 1920x1080 but while it is doing that, I can't see the edges of the screen. |
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| 19:56.13 | shaullx | what's the name of the GUI tool used to install .deb files? i don't mean the console dpkg one |
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| 19:56.32 | themill | shaullx: gdebi (but you really should be using apt) |
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| 19:57.22 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions synaptic |
| 19:57.23 | judd | Package: synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; wheezy: 0.75.12; sid: 0.75.13 |
| 19:57.31 | brookdalealec | when I was installing, at least |
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| 19:57.38 | zecrazytux | and you are sure that the screen supports it, right ? and that it is not a problem of screen calibration ? |
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| 19:58.06 | jhutchins_wk | shaullx: synaptic is one, and aptitude has a menued mode very much like it but with less overhead. |
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| 19:58.17 | zecrazytux | prappl93: from the xorg log, i can't tell much :/ |
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| 19:58.30 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, yeah. Says it supports it in the manual. I'd be happy as long as I can just see the edges. I'll settle for 1440x900 at least. |
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| 20:00.25 | zecrazytux | prappl93: this might be obvious but i need to ask that anyway: did you check the vposition and hposition (buttons and osd configuration on most lcd screen unless it is a laptop) ? |
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| 20:01.04 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, the screen is a television. |
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| 20:01.59 | zecrazytux | prappl93: anyway, if you need to set it to a lower resolution as soon as gdm launches, as a workaround before findinf the correct solution, you can generate a xorg.conf file an edit it to set up the desired resolution |
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| 20:03.05 | zecrazytux | prappl93: oh. i don't know much about it, but i believe that at some time there was some issues with EDID |
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| 20:03.21 | zecrazytux | prappl93: maybe the driver is faulty maybe the tv is... |
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| 20:03.59 | prappl93 | zecrazytux, sorry for the hostility earlier, but thank's for the support. I think I'll just deal with it for now |
| 20:04.06 | shaullx | sorry for the dumb question, but i'm updating the mysql service, and i can't seem to close the changelog like you can see in the following picture, http://i50.tinypic.com/2d7ae1i.png, what do i need to press? lol |
| 20:04.17 | zecrazytux | prappl93: are the missing bits in one edge only, or many ? |
| 20:04.29 | prappl93 | All four |
| 20:04.36 | zecrazytux | :( |
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| 20:04.47 | prappl93 | It's just right on the edge, too. I can click where the panel is supposed to be and it's there. |
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| 20:05.20 | zecrazytux | prappl93: sorry but I fear I can't help you much |
| 20:05.38 | prappl93 | That's fine. |
| 20:05.40 | themill | shaullx: q to quit |
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| 20:06.08 | shaullx | thanks themill |
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| 20:06.35 | zecrazytux | shaullx: I sometimes love those easy ones :) |
| 20:06.37 | zecrazytux | ahah |
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| 20:08.53 | haole | hey there... how do i compile stuff using qt3 under debian squeeze? i'm quite confused with the packages names |
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| 20:10.33 | jordanm | haole: an easy way would be to pick a random qt3 app and do apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 20:11.07 | haole | jordanm: good call |
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| 20:11.35 | stew | haole: you probably want to start with libqt3-mt-dev |
| 20:11.36 | haole | jordanm: it's just that there is a libqt4-dev package but the qt3 equivalent is libqt3-mt-dev package |
| 20:11.46 | haole | mt is for multi-threading, i guess |
| 20:11.54 | stew | indeed |
| 20:12.09 | haole | gonna install this mt guy and hit the red button |
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| 20:12.38 | themill | haole: fyi, qt3 isn't in wheezy, so anything qt3 that you're still playing with has a very short lifespan... |
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| 20:13.15 | judgen | Is there such an package for debian somewhere? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=50630 |
| 20:13.23 | haole | themill: it's some strange program called ike for doing VPN in my company... gonna use it first to see if everything works and then i'm gonna try to port their configuration to openvpn |
| 20:13.28 | haole | shouldn't be hard, i guess |
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| 20:14.16 | maplesoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.19 | stew | haole: uh, openvpn doesn't do ipsec. use strongswan if you need to do ipsec |
| 20:14.25 | stew | (and ike is part of ipsec) |
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| 20:14.48 | jordanm | judgen: network-manager-gnome |
| 20:14.59 | tdrusk | I want to run an xdotool command when unclutter runs its commands. how can i do that? |
| 20:15.17 | haole | stew: thanks for the tip |
| 20:15.18 | judgen | jordanm, no that is the gtk3 version. I do not want that. |
| 20:16.08 | jordanm | judgen: looks like gtk2 in squeeze (current stable) |
| 20:16.20 | stew | yes, gtk2 in squeeze and gtk3 in wheezy and beyond |
| 20:16.22 | judgen | jordanm, hmm i use wheezy |
| 20:16.31 | judgen | can i downgrade just that package? |
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| 20:16.53 | Brustofski-Fan | Installed Squeeze had some trouble with firmware.. So it let me do a base install from netinstall. Booted into a live usb stick.. got souse.list... Now im in lxde.. installed synaptic.. But i can not chhose what repo mirror i want... im stuck with what source.list generator gave me!! What am i missing? |
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| 20:17.42 | _ramok | hi |
| 20:18.02 | _ramok | did any of you guys using libvirt on debian? and updated from default version 0.8.3 to version 0.9.1 successfully? |
| 20:18.15 | r3m | Hi, I would like to know if a program come with the base system, i dont mean an internal commande, i mean a command that come with the base |
| 20:18.18 | jordanm | judgen: no, its all integrated into gnome |
| 20:18.26 | judgen | jordanm, i do not use gnome. |
| 20:18.27 | peterrooney_ | !tell maplesoft about cross-post |
| 20:18.41 | jordanm | judgen: nm-applet isn't going to work without gnome-panel |
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| 20:18.43 | judgen | jordanm, just awesome wm, and some gtk apps. |
| 20:18.52 | judgen | nm-appet works in awesome... |
| 20:19.00 | judgen | atleast the gtk3 version. |
| 20:19.25 | jordanm | guess it offers a compability layer like xfce4 |
| 20:19.30 | judgen | i will give it a go anyways. Just to see what happens. |
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| 20:20.51 | judgen | ok, now i have it installed, Worked like a charm. Thank you guys. |
| 20:21.07 | jeffrin | prappl93 : is your problem fixed ? |
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| 20:21.41 | judgen | if i force a version like that, witll it be automatically pinned, or will it upgrade at some point? |
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| 20:25.25 | peterrooney_ | judgen: you can place a permanent hold on a package with aptitude hold <packagename>, and undo with aptitude unhold <packagename> |
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| 20:27.10 | jeffrin | prappl93 : ahiliation@yahoo.co.in |
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| 20:27.19 | oops | I am running wheezy and I see some processes like tracker-store, tracker-extract, tracker-miner-fs, etc. running. what are these? |
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| 20:27.36 | oops | they seem to be occupying 20%-50% CPU. Can I get rid of them? |
| 20:29.47 | Brustofski-Fan | Im missing something... that lets you choose your repo mirrors!! |
| 20:30.29 | benji_ | Hi, is it possible that debian is shipping a package with known severe security breaches for several years? |
| 20:30.29 | judgen | peterrooney_, Great! |
| 20:30.55 | judgen | peterrooney_, Is it added to /etc/apt/preferences through this hold or is it in some other config file? |
| 20:31.06 | themill | dpkg: tell benji_ about tracker of doom |
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| 20:33.22 | judgen | peterrooney_, seems that synaptic ignores this hold, but aptitude and apt-get honors it. |
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| 20:35.09 | benji_ | themill, http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-5035 I believe it is wrong, I believe the package glassfish is affected as well |
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| 20:36.13 | Brustofski-Fan | What am i missing??.. I can't choose any repo mirrors!! |
| 20:37.03 | trysten | hi. i'm trying to run some test on a laptop size HD and the long tests finish in seconds with Completed: read failure |
| 20:37.28 | nkuttler | Brustofski-Fan: define can't choose |
| 20:37.43 | nkuttler | trysten: tests? |
| 20:37.49 | trysten | it looks almost exactly like this: http://tinyurl.com/88mafv3 |
| 20:37.56 | peterrooney_ | Brustofski-Fan: it's on optional installer component, go to "Load addtional installer components from CD" step. (aside: change debconf priority to low, and you won't miss much) |
| 20:38.03 | trysten | nkuttler: yeah like `smartctl /dev/sdb -t long` |
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| 20:38.29 | benji_ | themill, is there anyone I could talk with about this? |
| 20:39.07 | nkuttler | trysten: read failure sounds like a bad hd? |
| 20:39.30 | themill | benji_: there's a #debian-security on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:39.46 | imran-uk | hi, i have configured sudoers so i can run a command as root but i want to avoid typing "sudo" and just run the shell script which contains the commands - is this possible? |
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| 20:39.51 | benji_ | themill, thanks |
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| 20:40.17 | Brustofski-Fan | peterrooney_, i installed from netinstall.. had firmware problems... so it only let me do abase install... had to boot another live usb and grab a source.list from google |
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| 20:41.14 | Brustofski-Fan | peterrooney_, how do do i Load addtional installer components from CD" |
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| 20:41.15 | nvz_ | imran-uk: you could perhaps do a sudo -v in the beginning to verify then a sudo -k to remove the credentials when you're done.. so it'll only ask you for the password once.. or you can just su to root first |
| 20:41.22 | Danielss89 | Is it possible to create a user with ssh access and jail it to a home directory? |
| 20:41.32 | Ellis | Hey guys. |
| 20:41.42 | trysten | nkuttler: that's what i would think, but it still says overall health assessment: passed AND badblocks has not turned up anything yet. |
| 20:42.23 | nvz_ | Danielss89: for that to happen the homedir would have to be debootstrapped or somehting to contain the shell and such |
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| 20:42.33 | nkuttler | trysten: hm, i'm not really an expert with this but maybe it was just a controller malfunction/overload or something? |
| 20:42.40 | Danielss89 | nvz_: sounds hard to accomplish? |
| 20:42.46 | imran-uk | nvz_, thanks - will try -v switch |
| 20:42.56 | nvz_ | Danielss89: not really, just kind of pointless I guess |
| 20:42.59 | trysten | nkuttler: i'm thinking about just using it despite these apparent fails :) it's for a windows computer anyways hahahahaha |
| 20:43.08 | trysten | trysten: thanks |
| 20:43.12 | trysten | >.> |
| 20:43.13 | nkuttler | trysten: oh well then. and backups |
| 20:43.16 | Danielss89 | nvz_: why pointless? |
| 20:43.18 | nvz_ | Danielss89: same thing as jailing the sshd itself basically |
| 20:43.46 | nvz_ | Danielss89: well its not going to give you remote access to the machine which is typically the point of using ssh |
| 20:44.19 | Danielss89 | nvz_: yeah, i want the user to have ssh access, and for example be able to start an eggdrop bot |
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| 20:44.34 | travis_paul | Does Debian have a concept of "package groups"? For example in RHEL if I installed the "Development Tools" group I would get all of the individual RPMs (and their dependencies) that were defined in the group (gcc, make etc). |
| 20:44.49 | Danielss89 | nvz_: so i don't want the user to be able to do anything more than that basically.. |
| 20:45.08 | nvz_ | Danielss89: a normal user should not be able to affect the system anyhow, but they need access to various utils to do anything like a shell.. so they cannot be jailed without a whole environment being in there too |
| 20:45.32 | nvz_ | Danielss89: debootstrap will easily create you a chroot that you can go into and start an sshd, run bots..etc.. |
| 20:45.44 | Danielss89 | ok, ill have a look at it :) |
| 20:45.45 | Danielss89 | thx |
| 20:46.46 | peterrooney_ | travis_paul: we've got tasksel for groups of related packages, and apt deals with dependencies automatically. |
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| 20:47.51 | peterrooney_ | travis_paul: RHEL gives me hives, but I think debian's tasks might equate to its package groups |
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| 20:48.36 | travis_paul | peterrooney_: thanks, I'm eyeball deep in packaing information and was curious, I'm repackaging some application for Debian that were packaged for RHEL |
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| 20:56.00 | travis_paul | peterrooney_: At first glance Debian's documentation for packaging seems much better than RHEL, that's a good sign :) thanks for the guidance! |
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| 20:56.44 | kevlarman | travis_paul: making proper debian packages still kinda sucks compared to making proper arch packages :( |
| 20:56.44 | sparr_L | If I boot with no monitor attached then I later get graphics corruption and no updates when switching from X to a console. I can interact blindly with the console, or switch back to VT7 for X, just fine. I've booted with the "nofb" kernel option, disabled the "kbd" startup item, set vga=771 in kernel options, all to no avail. Suggestions? |
| 20:57.11 | tensorpudding | the upshot is that debian packages will be used by more people |
| 20:58.32 | bzed | kevlarman: debian tries to avoid crap :) |
| 20:58.43 | kevlarman | bzed: wat? |
| 20:58.51 | bzed | kevlarman: so there are much stricter rules, resulting in less errors and problems.. hopefully |
| 20:58.57 | imran-uk | sparr_L, can't you ssh into the pc when you need to access console? |
| 20:59.04 | kevlarman | bzed: it takes an insane amount of effort for me to build packages locally for my own use |
| 20:59.18 | bzed | kevlarman: thats not true. |
| 20:59.19 | travis_paul | I use arch at home, (RHEL at work) and admittedly I've never had an excuse to package anything for arch, though PKGBUILDs look very straight forward |
| 20:59.21 | sparr_L | imran-uk: that isn't really relevant to the problem I'm having |
| 20:59.27 | bzed | kevlarman: that sounds more llike you are doing something wrong |
| 20:59.30 | kevlarman | bzed: and no checkinstall fails at the stuff i'm trying to install |
| 20:59.33 | tensorpudding | debian packages have a lot of complexities but i don't actually see why people think that they're overly complicated |
| 20:59.39 | bzed | kevlarman: what do you want to install? |
| 20:59.56 | kevlarman | bzed: nvidia's driver, wine from my git folder, etc. |
| 21:00.09 | kevlarman | checkinstall fails spectacularly when mixed architectures are involved |
| 21:00.14 | bzed | kevlarman: nvidia stuff is packaged, a very recent one in experimental |
| 21:00.15 | tensorpudding | the worst part of making a debian package is the rules file, and thanks to debhelper that's a good bit easier than it'd be otherwise |
| 21:00.17 | bzed | kevlarman: just take that |
| 21:00.34 | bzed | kevlarman: and wine: take the debian folder from the wine packages in unstable and start with that |
| 21:00.44 | kevlarman | bzed: that won't work |
| 21:00.53 | kevlarman | bzed: it wants a tarball, that's an unreasonable requirement for me |
| 21:01.02 | imran-uk | sparr_L, then i am am not understanding your problem properly. corruption happens when in x already and hitting ctrl-alt-<function key>? |
| 21:01.03 | bzed | kevlarman: I said *START* with that |
| 21:01.10 | imran-uk | for a tty |
| 21:01.17 | kevlarman | bzed: as in dpkg wants a tarball |
| 21:01.20 | bzed | kevlarman: then remove the tarball extraction part, its all in debian/rules |
| 21:01.23 | kevlarman | not the source package |
| 21:01.26 | bzed | kevlarman: no it does not |
| 21:01.26 | sparr_L | imran-uk: yes. but only if I originally booted without a monitor connected |
| 21:01.36 | bzed | kevlarman: man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:01.51 | bzed | kevlarman: -i and -I are the options to look for, or get used to git-buildpackage |
| 21:01.54 | imran-uk | sparr_L, any reason you need to access a tty instead of using a term emulator in x? |
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| 21:02.27 | bzed | kevlarman: there are various good tutorials out there |
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| 21:02.43 | kevlarman | bzed: not that i found when i was looking |
| 21:03.02 | kevlarman | bzed: especially compared to a single (and dead simple) shell script it takes to build an arch package |
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| 21:03.28 | bzed | kevlarman: in unstable/testing: apt-get install packaging-tutorial |
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| 21:04.18 | bzed | kevlarman: or http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/packaging-tutorial.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/pdf;hb=pdf < there is the pdf, too |
| 21:04.42 | peterrooney_ | I thought debian packaging used ar format, not tar |
| 21:05.01 | nkuttler | peterrooney_: both |
| 21:05.01 | kevlarman | peterrooney_: both actually |
| 21:05.25 | kevlarman | peterrooney_: it's 2 ar'd tarballs and a loose file iirc |
| 21:05.26 | sparr_L | imran-uk: I only have the root password to the box, and root isn't allowed to log in via X |
| 21:05.29 | stew | peterrooney_: source pacakges use .tar, binary packages are ar archives containing two tarballs |
| 21:06.06 | bzed | peterrooney_: the binary package is a bsd ar which contains two tarballs, one with the actual files and one with control stuff like postinst scripts and so on |
| 21:06.25 | peterrooney_ | stew: right... trust me to stop after one layer of abstraction. |
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| 21:06.53 | peterrooney_ | has another thing coming. |
| 21:06.53 | stew | source package are dsc + source tarball, + maybe one of either debian tarball or diff.gz |
| 21:06.54 | bzed | peterrooney_: and source... see stew :) actually the source tarball comes with a diff.gz or a tarball of the debian directory (or for native packages, a tarball with everything inside) |
| 21:07.11 | kevlarman | peterrooney_: i was complaining about the source tarball packages use to get the source |
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| 21:07.22 | bzed | kevlarman: YOU DO NOT NEED THAT. |
| 21:07.26 | imran-uk | sparr_L, so you cannot do graphical login on this pc as non-root? |
| 21:07.27 | bzed | kevlarman: man dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 21:07.48 | sparr_L | imran-uk: I don't have the password for any non-root users |
| 21:07.52 | imran-uk | sparr_L, s/cannot/can/ |
| 21:07.59 | imran-uk | ok |
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| 21:10.33 | imran-uk | sparr_L, describe the "corruption" or link me to a photo? what about typing "reset" when logged in to root console blind? does that clear it |
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| 21:14.35 | whitenoise | hey guys, anybody familiar with debian's implementation of exim? |
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| 21:16.03 | peterrooney_ | !ask |
| 21:16.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:20.05 | sparr_L | imran-uk: the corruption looks like taking an 8 bit pallete and shuffling half the entries. the view of my X screen is still readable, but a lot of colors change, and it makes gradients look like rainbows. |
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| 21:20.15 | sparr_L | imran-uk: reset from the blind console does not help |
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| 21:22.43 | imran-uk | sparr_L, not sure then sorry. |
| 21:22.58 | sparr_L | np, thanks for trying |
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| 21:33.35 | raidghost | Any pppoe daemon to recommand? fed up with pon dslprovider that i have to write very often to get the tunnel up running again |
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| 21:35.48 | SiD- | pppoeconf isnt fine? |
| 21:36.25 | raidghost | SiD-: it disconnect very often |
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| 21:36.33 | raidghost | like that. without any reason |
| 21:36.47 | SiD- | no reconnect options? |
| 21:36.54 | raidghost | doesnt seem to have that. |
| 21:37.04 | raidghost | the only way to get it up in pon dsl-provider |
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| 21:37.30 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey, how do I get a vmxnet3 adapter working in debian squeeze? |
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| 21:39.54 | VarmVaffel | test |
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| 21:41.10 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt-Work: Should just work. |
| 21:41.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_wk: going to try again i'll let you know |
| 21:41.35 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt-Work: Remember, if you add a new type of adapter it's going to have a new MAC and get a new device name. |
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| 21:41.41 | nrs_ | i have a horrendously dumb question to ask: how close is unstable to becoming Wheezy? I'm building a new server and will probably go with unstable but i'm curious about how close we are to having an actual released Wheezy. |
| 21:41.50 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt-Work: ifconfig -a should show it. |
| 21:41.52 | nkuttler | nrs_: unstable will always be unstable |
| 21:42.00 | nkuttler | !tell nrs_ about sid |
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| 21:42.28 | TehRabbitt-Work | jhutchins_wk: works! lol |
| 21:42.30 | nkuttler | nrs_: and running testing on a server is just a big no no. /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:42.47 | nrs_ | so i guess my new question is: how soon before Wheezy is released? |
| 21:42.53 | nkuttler | when it's ready |
| 21:42.58 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 21:42.59 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. |
| 21:43.05 | imran-uk | nrs. historically the stable releases come 2 yrs after each other. i expect wheezy in feb 2013 or therebaouts |
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| 21:43.15 | nkuttler | imran-uk: um.. |
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| 21:43.52 | nkuttler | nrs_: i think many people here have servers that have been upgraded for many years, from release to release, without major problems |
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| 21:44.19 | imran-uk | nkuttler, umm? |
| 21:44.20 | nkuttler | i hear that sendmail must have had bug problems but fortunately i had a mail admin back then |
| 21:44.43 | nkuttler | imran-uk: i wouldn't want to rely on any past performance |
| 21:44.57 | dvs | nrs_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 670 Jan 10 2004 /var/log/install.log |
| 21:45.17 | nrs_ | ok….thanks for the info guys |
| 21:45.24 | nrs_ | i'm running squeeze on my machine right now |
| 21:45.35 | nrs_ | and the new one will probably get squeeze too |
| 21:45.59 | nrs_ | but there are some packages that i would like from wheezy |
| 21:46.07 | nrs_ | i'll have to look for backports |
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| 21:46.13 | imran-uk | nkuttler, istr that debian priject ppl wanting to go for more regular releases. certianly my feeling of using debian since etch is that a new stable comes out every 2 years in q1 |
| 21:46.31 | nkuttler | imran-uk: no, debian is about releasing when it's ready |
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| 21:46.40 | nkuttler | regular releases are just a "bonus" |
| 21:46.45 | jhutchins_wk | TehRabbitt-Work: You know how to fix the device name, right? |
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| 21:47.11 | jhutchins_wk | Gods, Ubuntu is doing 10-20 updates per day or more. |
| 21:47.16 | nkuttler | imran-uk: but yeah, it's been pretty regular since etch |
| 21:47.25 | imran-uk | nkuttler, yep |
| 21:47.42 | nkuttler | imran-uk: but it's really not something you can absolutely count on |
| 21:47.45 | jhutchins_wk | I don't think their releses mean anything. |
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| 21:48.05 | imran-uk | nkuttler, not to the same extent as ubuntu of course |
| 21:48.26 | nkuttler | well a snapshot of testing is a snapshot of testing. you can do that every six months, no problem |
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| 22:03.43 | VarmVaffel | I have a problem described in a thread here |
| 22:03.44 | VarmVaffel | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=81947 |
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| 22:03.50 | VarmVaffel | appreciate any help or experience |
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| 22:21.46 | peterrooney_ | why does ffmpeg documentation lie? |
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| 22:23.20 | gnarface | peterrooney_: because its a liar |
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| 22:29.52 | gnarface | peterrooney_: or more likely just really out of date |
| 22:30.17 | tofaffy | I'm using Debian Squeeze and can't find sun-java6-jdk or jre in the repos. |
| 22:30.25 | tofaffy | Is there a repo I need to add to get it? |
| 22:30.43 | aidalgol | tofaffy: I suspect non-free |
| 22:30.54 | tofaffy | aidalgol, ah cool I got it then. I appreciate it :) |
| 22:30.55 | aidalgol | Although I'd try openjdk first. |
| 22:32.05 | themill | tofaffy: oracle no longer permits debian to distribute sun java |
| 22:32.08 | trysten | i'm having trouble with update-grub. i can't find where the kernel options are in /etc/grub.d/10_linux D: |
| 22:32.18 | tofaffy | themill, gotcha. |
| 22:32.30 | aidalgol | Oh, I didn't realise that. |
| 22:34.32 | jordanm | trysten: kernel options can be set in /etc/default/grub |
| 22:35.05 | trysten | jordanm: oh.. i see. thanks :D |
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| 23:01.48 | docgnome | I'm running amd64 testing and recently for some reason aptitude update complains about not being able to find entries for i386 packages. any ideas what i've done to make this stupid thing do that? |
| 23:02.26 | docgnome | i only have one line in my sources.list now deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:02.26 | docgnome | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:02.45 | coin3d | hi there, does the debian installer support gpt table layouts? |
| 23:02.59 | joulez | docgnome: what are the contents of your sources.list ? |
| 23:03.05 | docgnome | joulez: just pasted it |
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| 23:03.32 | joulez | where? |
| 23:03.43 | docgnome | two lines up |
| 23:03.47 | docgnome | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:03.50 | docgnome | that's it |
| 23:04.17 | joulez | oh |
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| 23:04.39 | joulez | well i don't use aptitude much at all. |
| 23:05.29 | docgnome | it even says it's looking for i368... |
| 23:05.35 | docgnome | instead of i386 |
| 23:05.45 | joulez | what have you done? |
| 23:05.49 | joulez | :) |
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| 23:06.05 | docgnome | well if i knew what i had done to cause that i'd just undo it heh |
| 23:06.17 | joulez | you've done something. |
| 23:06.22 | joulez | wrong. |
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| 23:06.49 | docgnome | Oh good! Captain Obvious is here! |
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| 23:08.52 | stew | docgnome: can you show us the command you ran and the error message? |
| 23:08.59 | Frogec1 | if someone tells me wich browser and wich flash i must have so i can watch everything on youtube and porn videos i`ll kiss his ass! damn |
| 23:09.01 | stew | docgnome: what versions of dpkg/apt are installed? |
| 23:09.14 | Frogec1 | sorry for this behaviour, i`m angry |
| 23:09.21 | syslq | Frogec1: ie9 |
| 23:09.33 | stew | Frogec1: you don't need flash for youtube: http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 23:09.37 | docgnome | stew: http://pastebin.com/QhQq2feZ |
| 23:09.41 | syslq | Frogec1: chrome works fine otherwise |
| 23:10.04 | syslq | stew: yeah but no html5 for redtube and xhamster |
| 23:10.05 | docgnome | i vaguely recall something about adding other archs to the sources lits |
| 23:10.07 | docgnome | but i can't find it |
| 23:10.12 | Frogec1 | syslq: well it won`t work fine |
| 23:10.19 | syslq | Frogec1: why not? |
| 23:10.25 | Frogec1 | and noone can find out why |
| 23:10.27 | stew | docgnome: what versions of apt and dpkg are installed? |
| 23:10.35 | Frogec1 | i don`t know |
| 23:10.54 | joulez | dpkg-query -s apt |
| 23:11.11 | docgnome | stew: aptitude 0.6.8 dpkg: 1.16.4.3 |
| 23:11.30 | docgnome | apt: 0.8.6 |
| 23:11.30 | apt | 0.8 |
| 23:11.31 | docgnome | er |
| 23:11.36 | docgnome | 0.9.6 |
| 23:12.15 | woshty | where does iceweasel on bpo come from? it is 14. there is only 13 in experimental .. |
| 23:12.17 | stew | docgnome: you should upgrade to the current apt, what is the version of the aptitude package you have installed |
| 23:12.20 | syslq | Frogec1: are oyu using chromium or chrome? |
| 23:12.34 | docgnome | stew: 0.6.8 |
| 23:12.41 | stew | docgnome: where did you get that from? not from debian |
| 23:12.43 | syslq | Frogec1: otherwise from what I know adobe stopped supporting flash on linux |
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| 23:12.47 | Frogec1 | trying on chrome, chromium, opera and iceweasel |
| 23:12.53 | docgnome | stew: erm.. yeah from debian. from testing. |
| 23:13.05 | syslq | Frogec1: you have flash installed? |
| 23:13.05 | uberushaximus | flash is being phased out outside the chrome pepper api |
| 23:13.06 | docgnome | unless it installed it self |
| 23:13.12 | docgnome | via wizards |
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| 23:13.16 | stew | docgnome: how are you determining the package version? because no such version has been in debian |
| 23:13.20 | syslq | uberushaximus: riiiiight :) |
| 23:13.23 | docgnome | aptitude --version |
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| 23:13.25 | joulez | docgnome: dpkg-query -s apt dpkg aptitude, need to see Architecture and Origin etc. |
| 23:13.30 | stew | right... |
| 23:13.36 | uberushaximus | syslq: that's that adobe claims |
| 23:13.49 | stew | docgnome: anyway... you should install the latest apt |
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| 23:14.06 | stew | docgnome: what does "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" return? |
| 23:14.16 | Frogec1 | syslq: gnash, few minutes ago i tryed with flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:14.28 | Frogec1 | my friend told me to do that |
| 23:14.33 | docgnome | http://pastebin.com/xt3wDjnD |
| 23:14.33 | Frogec1 | and still nothing |
| 23:14.51 | docgnome | stew: i368 |
| 23:14.56 | joulez | docgnome: he said apt. |
| 23:15.11 | stew | docgnome: that is your problem, you added a foreign architecture that doens't exist |
| 23:15.11 | docgnome | joulez: he's asked about both |
| 23:15.37 | docgnome | how do i remove it |
| 23:15.40 | stew | docgnome: man dpkg |
| 23:16.29 | syslq | Frogec1: install flash, gnash is "a nice try :)" |
| 23:17.06 | Frogec1 | wich one syslq? |
| 23:17.43 | syslq | Frogec1: sec I'll check |
| 23:18.30 | syslq | Frogec1:http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ |
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| 23:18.47 | syslq | Frogec1: also google chrome should include it |
| 23:19.43 | syslq | Frogec1: it worked for me but I gave up on linux desktop about two years ago, dunno how it's now |
| 23:19.52 | stew | hah |
| 23:20.12 | stew | syslq: how is going there possibly better than his using the flashplugin-nonfree package? |
| 23:20.29 | syslq | stew: dunno, I did install manually |
| 23:20.35 | syslq | stew: but he said he used gnash |
| 23:20.50 | Mephisto | hi. Could anyone tell me what's the difference between Iceweasel 10esr and the latest one? |
| 23:21.24 | Mephisto | i mean i read about it a bit, but i still don't quite get it.. is it ok to use it? Is it equal to 12 or what? |
| 23:21.35 | Frogec1 | syslq: allready tryed with adobe, but no results |
| 23:21.35 | Mephisto | current release is 14, freshly updated |
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| 23:22.08 | Frogec1 | i`ve had the same problem in 11.04, 12.04 LTS, win XP and now on debian |
| 23:22.28 | syslq | Frogec1: dunno then, I know my linux server stuf, but as soon as xorg comes along I'm giving up ahead :) |
| 23:22.30 | Frogec1 | i`m totally confused... |
| 23:22.57 | themill | seeing as we're yet to see anything other than "it doesn't work"... |
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| 23:23.27 | woshty | why cant i install hunspell-1.20 in wheezy? |
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| 23:25.36 | syslq | Frogec1: win xp? |
| 23:25.46 | themill | woshty: I'm fresh out of ESP-over-IRC packets, sorry. |
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| 23:26.46 | Frogec1 | syslq: i`ve had windows xp and ubuntu 11.04, now it`s just debian 6 |
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| 23:27.14 | syslq | Frogec1: and flash sites did not work in win xp? |
| 23:27.46 | woshty | themill: you should talk to your provider about that ;) it seems to be a version issue, but the way aptitude handles it are very insufficient .. just doing nothing |
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| 23:27.49 | Frogec1 | it worked for about 10 sec |
| 23:27.59 | syslq | Frogec1: and? |
| 23:28.03 | syslq | Frogec1: what happened? |
| 23:28.19 | themill | woshty: real commands with real output in a pastebin > *. |
| 23:28.20 | Frogec1 | and than stop |
| 23:28.26 | Frogec1 | nothing |
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| 23:30.14 | syslq | Frogec1: dunno really, flash just works for me. I only install google chrome |
| 23:30.44 | Mardus | Frogec1: What was your question about Flash? |
| 23:31.27 | Frogec1 | it worked for me perfectly untill i haven`t done upgrade to ubuntu 11.10 |
| 23:32.04 | stew | syslq: wait, flash works for you, but you haven't tried in 2 years? |
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| 23:32.37 | Frogec1 | Mardus: i can watch 99% of videos on youtube, but 0% of porn video. How to fix this? |
| 23:32.39 | syslq | stew: it works on my workstation with windows 7 but we talked about windows and google chrome includes flash |
| 23:32.51 | stew | uh |
| 23:32.55 | stew | that's nice |
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| 23:33.12 | stew | syslq: realize that your experience here is not at all relevant |
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| 23:33.35 | syslq | stew: not true at work we have mostly xp and it just works with chrome |
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| 23:33.40 | Mardus | Frogec1: What browser you're using? |
| 23:33.55 | Mardus | Oh, hi, stew |
| 23:33.58 | Lars_G_ | What is the name of the virtual package (if any) that pulls in the system's barest basics to function? |
| 23:33.59 | Frogec1 | now i`m using chrome |
| 23:34.04 | stew | syslq: so your experience with windows and flash might be relevant with windows and flash, but its not relevant to debian and flash |
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| 23:34.26 | syslq | stew: it kind of is in this case, google chrome for linux does include flash :) |
| 23:34.30 | Frogec1 | but i used opera, chromium and iceweasel |
| 23:34.32 | stew | Lars_G_: aptitude install '~prequired ~pimportant ~E' |
| 23:34.38 | Frogec1 | all have same problems |
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| 23:35.01 | Lars_G_ | stew: Any way to select those en masse inside aptitude? |
| 23:35.44 | stew | Lars_G_: yes, hit / then ~prequired ~pimportant ~E |
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| 23:35.59 | peterrooney_ | Lars_G_: it's kind of unneccessary. before you could use such a thing, you'd already have to have gone through the installer or used debootstrap |
| 23:36.05 | Lars_G_ | stew: that would just search them. I might do that and select them if I must. |
| 23:36.23 | Lars_G_ | peterrooney_: I'm slimming down, and I want to reselect all vital inside aptitude |
| 23:36.42 | stew | Lars_G_: what are you hoping to do with them? |
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| 23:37.28 | Mardus | Frogec1: What's the version of Flash you're using? |
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| 23:38.08 | stew | Lars_G_: what do you mean by "select" and "reselect"? |
| 23:38.10 | Lars_G_ | omg, gcc is required? sigh |
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| 23:38.30 | Frogec1 | mardus now it`s gnash |
| 23:38.30 | stew | Lars_G_: no, it's not, its Priority: optional |
| 23:38.35 | Lars_G_ | stew: I was going to do it the quick way, select to remove all in installed in aptitude, and then use virtual packages to get the barest I wanted. |
| 23:38.51 | Lars_G_ | stew: Well, a ~prequired is matching gcc-x.x-base |
| 23:39.47 | themill | Lars_G_: have you looked at what that package actually is? |
| 23:39.51 | Mardus | Frogec1: Chances are that Gnash doesn't support everything and the licentious websites that you look at explicitly require Flash with some odd script. Tho I wonder if Oglaf can show the Flash msg at the top. |
| 23:39.58 | Mardus | * msgs |
| 23:40.00 | stew | Lars_G_: yes, that is required |
| 23:40.12 | Frogec1 | few minutes ago in sinaptyc manager i`ve installed debian-multimedia-keyring and flashplugin-nonfree and even that did resolve my problem |
| 23:40.35 | Mardus | Frogec1: did or did not resolve your problem? |
| 23:40.36 | stew | Lars_G_: /msg dpkg uninstall everyting |
| 23:40.38 | stew | err |
| 23:40.42 | stew | Lars_G_: /msg dpkg uninstall everything |
| 23:40.51 | Lars_G_ | stew: And I told yes deinstall to a few vitals like tar thinking I could just add the base vitals from a virtual before going on with the action |
| 23:41.09 | stew | uh |
| 23:41.10 | Lars_G_ | stew: So I want to double check which ones I blew before I go on |
| 23:41.23 | stew | Lars_G_: don't ever remove a Priority: required or Essential: yes package |
| 23:41.39 | Lars_G_ | stew: I'm not removing them |
| 23:41.42 | Frogec1 | did not :) |
| 23:41.42 | Lars_G_ | it's not my intention |
| 23:41.42 | woshty | themill: my problems seemed to be caused by using bpo with wheezy, rebuilding two packages from stable fixed it |
| 23:41.46 | peterrooney_ | Lars_G_: I would just go in to aptitude, cursor down to "Installed Packages", and hit '"-", then select "Cancel" about two dozen times. |
| 23:42.01 | stew | Lars_G_: i don't know what you mean by "I told yes deinstall to a few vitals like tar" then |
| 23:42.16 | stew | !uninstall everything |
| 23:42.16 | dpkg | To uninstall just about every package from your machine except the ones in the "standard" install, try something like: "aptitude purge ~i ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+". Add additional packages with a + or : after them to the end to stop them being removed. Look *carefully* at what aptitude is planning to do to make sure you agree. Ask me about <aptitude docs>. |
| 23:42.17 | peterrooney_ | Lars_G_: mind you, my wingnut suggsetion could be a Very Bad Idea |
| 23:42.19 | Lars_G_ | peterrooney_: I did that, only about 16 times instead of 24 ;) I want to make sure on those |
| 23:42.27 | stew | Lars_G_: see what dpkg said |
| 23:42.33 | Lars_G_ | peterrooney_: And it was just the suggestion I was given, elsewhere |
| 23:43.12 | Lars_G_ | is there an easy way to make aptitude forget all unapplied changes? c-u seems to go only one level |
| 23:43.36 | Lars_G_ | I found it in the menu |
| 23:43.37 | Lars_G_ | nevermind |
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| 23:45.05 | Mardus | Frogec1: You could disable Gnash in Iceweasel, if it's got priority over Flash. Iceweasel probably also has NoScript installed by default, so you might as well temporarily allow those websites. And when looking at suspicious websites, always use a separate profile, with "clean up after exit" and all. |
| 23:45.32 | stew | iceweasel does not have NoScript installed by default |
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| 23:45.54 | Mardus | stew: Thanks for telling me. It's been like that in Knoppix. |
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| 23:51.46 | Mardus | Frogec1: I have an idea. Install the User Agent Switcher add-on to Iceweasel and then mimic Firefox in Windows or IE in Windows. I don't know, though, if repositories have that addon. |
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| 23:54.09 | Chris___ | which perl package provides the 'GET' command? >.> |
| 23:54.15 | Chris___ | s/perl// |
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| 23:54.57 | cjdavies | am I right in thinking that if I follow http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix the mail server will not have IMAP/SMTP support & any mail received will be delivered to local mailboxes? |
| 23:55.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Chris___ about apt-file |
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| 23:56.42 | Frogec1 | Mardus: my english is not thaht good, but if understand everything you said i`ll need windows for this? |
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| 23:58.22 | Mardus | Frogec1: If you install the User Agent Switcher add-on to Iceweasel, then you can set Iceweasel to appear as Firefox in Windows to the website you have issues with: Instead of "Icewasel in Debian GNU/Linux" the website would see "Firefox in Windows xp". |
| 23:58.32 | killsto | If I download wheezy while it's frozen, when it goes stable and teting goes unfrozen, do I get the stable packages or the newly unfrozen ones? I would like te stable ones |
| 23:58.40 | stew | Frogec1: he's guessing that the problem is not that flash is broken (which it is) but that for some reason the websites you are visiting are messing you up because they don't like linux |
| 23:58.44 | stew | or something |
| 23:58.58 | stew | but the truth is the simple truths that flash is broken, and sucks |
| 23:59.17 | stew | killsto: you misundersand what frozen means |
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| 23:59.36 | themill | killsto: make sure you have "wheezy" in your sources.list not "testing" and then you will be running the stable release when wheezy is released. |
| 23:59.47 | killsto | ok |
| 23:59.52 | stew | killsto: now that it is frozen, it still gets updated everyday for bugfixes. when we think we have fixed all the known releaes critical bugs (currently > 600), we release it as stable, then we only update it for security fixes (for the most part) |
