| 00:00.11 | stew | destroyah: aptitude install linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 00:00.12 | destroyah | just apt-get install linux-headers? |
| 00:00.16 | destroyah | ok |
| 00:00.40 | stew | nkuttler: its not really feasible to have dependencies on specific headers packages |
| 00:00.50 | nkuttler | stew: right |
| 00:01.04 | stew | nkuttler: like, how would it know if you have -pae or -686, or whatever, right |
| 00:02.15 | nkuttler | looks like the vbox additions don't depend on any headers though. at least a recommends on linux-headers or something would make sense |
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| 00:03.07 | destroyah | nkuttler, it says "linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 is already the newest version. linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 set to manually installed. |
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| 00:03.24 | nkuttler | destroyah: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:03.29 | nkuttler | not -image |
| 00:03.37 | or10n | muuch better |
| 00:03.51 | destroyah | I figured |
| 00:03.59 | stew | oh, oops, sorry |
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| 00:04.56 | nkuttler | destroyah: but you should probably install a generic headers package, so the module gets rebuilt automatically when you upgrade |
| 00:05.16 | themill | I don't think it's correct to assume that the dkms packages are being used here |
| 00:05.31 | nkuttler | not? oh.. |
| 00:05.59 | destroyah | I'm already installing whatever your command is installing, going to try that and then let you guys know |
| 00:06.04 | nkuttler | well, something rebuils the vbox stuff for me automatically |
| 00:06.47 | themill | nkuttler: you can use the dkms packages, but I don't think destroyah is; I'll wager he's using the "install additions" thingy from the vbox menu. |
| 00:06.55 | nkuttler | ew |
| 00:07.37 | destroyah | No |
| 00:07.54 | destroyah | I'm running the VBoxLinuxAdditions.run file from the mounted cdrom |
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| 00:08.12 | destroyah | the one that virtualbox mounts with the VBoxGuestAdditions.iso in it |
| 00:08.37 | themill | same thing |
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| 00:10.29 | destroyah | nkuttler, it worked, the installation was succesful at least, gonna restart and test the access to the shared folder |
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| 00:21.45 | destroyah | when I issue: sudo mount -t vboxsf RELEASE /home/user/release |
| 00:21.47 | destroyah | I get |
| 00:22.03 | destroyah | /sbin/mount.vboxsf: mounting failed with the error: No such file or directory |
| 00:22.24 | destroyah | however, the RELEASE folder, is enabled in shared folders for the virtual machine |
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| 00:23.15 | destroyah | oh, but the /home/user/release folder wasn't, my bad. Ok, done already, thanks a lot |
| 00:23.18 | destroyah | specially nkuttler |
| 00:23.26 | destroyah | mad boss |
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| 00:30.51 | Gargantua | Hey |
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| 00:31.44 | klys | just got done reading the last 12 hours of #debian |
| 00:32.03 | epsilon | bored? |
| 00:32.11 | klys | not really, no |
| 00:32.23 | Gargantua | On squeeze here, gnome. When I switch out of X's tty into another one and switch back, everything freezes and I have to raise the elephants. I ssh into the laptop and kill -9 X and gdm restarts it fine. |
| 00:32.45 | Gargantua | http://gargantua.codelove.org/errors.txt |
| 00:33.10 | Gargantua | Tty's seem to be initialized correctly in /etc/inittab, http://gargantua.codelove.org/inittab |
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| 00:33.36 | Gargantua | Furthermore, I think it only happens with gnome. |
| 00:33.44 | Gargantua | Any ideas? |
| 00:34.24 | Diopter | Gargantua: Sounds like your video driver. |
| 00:34.29 | Diopter | Slash GPU |
| 00:34.47 | Gargantua | Diopter: but it works fine with wmii or any other de. |
| 00:34.59 | Gargantua | And it only started happening recently. |
| 00:35.11 | Diopter | Gargantua: Oh. Fun. |
| 00:35.41 | klys | I had a thing where I was using kernel 3.4 to start X and the keyboard and mouse locked up. #freedesktop thought it might be a kernel bug |
| 00:35.42 | Gargantua | Wait... I do run compiz as a wm within gnome... |
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| 00:37.03 | Gargantua | I'd try to reproduce it without compiz, but I know you guys are gonna forget about me while I restart :P |
| 00:37.19 | Gargantua | If it happens, that is. |
| 00:38.02 | zinx | ?? |
| 00:38.14 | zinx | Gargantua: /usr/bin/metacity --replace >& /dev/null & disown |
| 00:38.56 | Gargantua | Eh? I can do that with fusion-icon. |
| 00:39.04 | Gargantua | Okay, wish me luck. |
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| 00:40.07 | Gargantua | Yep. |
| 00:40.13 | Gargantua | It was definitely compiz. |
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| 00:41.17 | gnarface | Gargantua: video card driver update recently? |
| 00:41.24 | Gargantua | Nope. |
| 00:41.39 | stew | so I'm trying this gnome-shell thingy. how can I make a shortcut that will launch x-terminal-emulator? i tried going to settings - keyboard - shortcuts and make a custom shortcut with "/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator" as the command and then assigned Super + return to the shortcut, but It doesn't launch when I hit the key sequence |
| 00:41.45 | stew | or with any other key sequence that I assign it |
| 00:44.10 | klys | stew: try #gnome |
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| 00:49.03 | klys | I think it needs DCOP or some kind of sawfish or evend daemon thing that's part of the gnome start sequence |
| 00:49.17 | klys | s/evend/event/ |
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| 00:53.39 | tharkun | Gentlemen what type of program do I need to fetch for a guest on a network to require a password when trying to connect to internet? |
| 00:53.52 | klys | sshd |
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| 00:54.07 | Gargantua | lol |
| 00:55.44 | klys | pppd |
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| 00:56.34 | tharkun | klys: pppd and sshd are two well known daemons that do not fit the role I need. |
| 00:56.48 | Gargantua | Does apt-get does a checksum on each package from a repo with something from the official debian site? |
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| 00:57.17 | tharkun | !secure apt |
| 00:57.17 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 00:57.19 | aidalgol | Gargantua: Better than that, all packages are signed. |
| 00:57.32 | Gargantua | I mean, how do I know the repo I'm using isn't switching packages? |
| 00:57.37 | Gargantua | Sweet. |
| 00:58.07 | stew | aidalgol: individual packages aren't signed, the entire repsitory is signed |
| 00:58.25 | aidalgol | stew: oh |
| 00:58.48 | stew | (which includes a signatures of package indexes which include lists of md5/sha1/sha256 digests of the packages) |
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| 00:59.53 | aidalgol | OK, so the *hashes* of the packages are signed? |
| 01:00.04 | stew | Gargantua: yes, the server that generates the repository generates lists of digests of packages, digessts those lists and makes a "repository" file for all the current suites/components, then that Release file gets signed with the main debian repository key |
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| 01:00.52 | stew | aidalgol: the release file is signed. the release file contains hashes of the Packages and Sources files, those files contain hashes of the packages |
| 01:00.58 | Gargantua | Brilliant. |
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| 01:01.30 | stew | the release file contains a "best used by" date |
| 01:01.48 | stew | so the best that a downstream repository can do is a replay attack that is at most 2 weeks old |
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| 01:02.14 | stew | (and to prevent such a replay attack, only use the main security.debian.org repository) |
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| 01:02.31 | Motafoca | guys, im making a kernel for my debian box, i installed debian on a pendrive, using the default kernel booting works fine, but on my compiled not, i compile ext2 support (my current fs) also scsi support, scsi disk, usb mass storage ehci and uhci, still vfs kernel panic, any ideas ? |
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| 01:03.16 | tharkun | What type of programs do hotels use to force you input a suplied user and password whenever you try to access the internet through their network? |
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| 01:03.22 | Gargantua | stew: and where is that located? (geographically) |
| 01:03.30 | JasonWoof | the video download links are broken here: http://penta.debconf.org/dc12_schedule/events/867.en.html |
| 01:03.36 | JasonWoof | there's an extra "%20" in them |
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| 01:04.05 | JasonWoof | hmm, no I guess it's an actual space |
| 01:04.18 | JasonWoof | my browser converts it to %20 automatically |
| 01:04.32 | JasonWoof | <a href="http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2012/debconf12/low/ 867_XCP_Openstack_Debian_and_the_Cloud.ogv">low ogv</a> |
| 01:04.47 | JasonWoof | the other two video pages I looked at had the same problem |
| 01:04.52 | JasonWoof | I don't see who to contact about this |
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| 01:07.29 | stew | Gargantua: I think they are at 3 different american universities |
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| 01:08.52 | mikevipe | hello, running debian stable, just setup a raid 1 with two 1tb re4s |
| 01:09.08 | mikevipe | however disk space available is showing 999.9GB, I know it should be around 931GB usable |
| 01:09.11 | mikevipe | any ideas? |
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| 01:09.50 | mikevipe | When I partition the space using auto partition it makes a slice saying 999GB however it shows up as around 609GB |
| 01:09.51 | Gargantua | I'm currently tethering a gprs connection from Iraq, something tells me that would be very slow. |
| 01:09.55 | Gargantua | lol |
| 01:09.58 | nnatomtop | I am very stuck. I can't seem to get transmission's build script to find gtk on debian.. I have installed a ridiculous amount of build packages .. Nothing seems to be working and scouring google is not helping. ... Pase Bin -> http://pastebin.com/Tg6JjBLj |
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| 01:10.08 | Gargantua | I'm using plusline.de |
| 01:14.11 | peterrooney_ | nnatomtop: try aptitude build-dep transmission |
| 01:14.40 | Gargantua | Or apt-get install transmission |
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| 01:17.39 | nnatomtop | peterrooney_, Well This is what I got .. Dosn't look helpful at all ! http://pastebin.com/8Da7200B |
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| 01:21.37 | mbl-youlysses | Any recomendations for a cli based vnc client? |
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| 01:24.43 | \Jan | $ xscreensaver-command -activate |
| 01:24.43 | \Jan | xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0 |
| 01:25.09 | \Jan | So... do I need to start a screensaver to start a screensaver? |
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| 01:26.09 | peterrooney_ | nnatomtop: that's unusual... |
| 01:26.11 | Gargantua | lol |
| 01:26.16 | peterrooney_ | ,versions libcurl4-dev |
| 01:26.17 | judd | No package named 'libcurl4-dev' was found in i386. |
| 01:26.25 | peterrooney_ | oh really... |
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| 01:26.38 | Gargantua | What does the -activate command do, \Jan? |
| 01:27.09 | peterrooney_ | ,versions libcurl-dev |
| 01:27.11 | judd | No package named 'libcurl-dev' was found in i386. |
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| 01:29.44 | nkuttler | mbl-youlysses: such things exist? |
| 01:30.22 | nkuttler | mbl-youlysses: or do you mean something that can connect from the cli without launching some silly app? |
| 01:30.25 | peterrooney_ | Oh, right. virtual packages. nnatomtop, the real package is either libcurl4-gnutls-dev OR libcurl4-openssl-dev - I would try "aptitude why-not libcurl4-gnutls-dev" next |
| 01:33.07 | mbl-youlysses | nkuttler: The latter. |
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| 01:38.53 | snarkpit | Alright guys. I'm trying to run xmonad in place of metacity within gnome. I want to run it that way for the desktop background, a couple widgets and theming. Anywho, I have xmonad installed and it works fine logging in with it, but I can't figure out how to actually replace metacity with it within gnome. |
| 01:39.14 | snarkpit | I found a guide written for ubuntu that said i had to modify this gconf xml file, but the file structure was laid out different and I couldn't find the file it was talking about |
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| 01:40.10 | Diopter | snarkpit: It's kind of tricksy. |
| 01:40.51 | Diopter | snarkpit: Not ready to make the jump to just xmonad? |
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| 01:42.07 | snarkpit | Yeah I'm getting frustrated reading the docs. haha. The main reason I want to run it over GNOME is the theming. I hate balck text on black background, I like having a white on black theme |
| 01:42.24 | snarkpit | And I like my dynamic desktop image lol |
| 01:42.45 | snarkpit | er... I hate black text on white background* |
| 01:43.03 | Diopter | snarkpit: You might have some misunderstandings :) |
| 01:43.04 | Gargantua | snarkpit: have you tried Darklooks? |
| 01:43.20 | Diopter | snarkpit: You're talking about themes, but xmonad has no graphical toolkit, so it has no themes. |
| 01:43.24 | Gargantua | lol |
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| 01:43.31 | Diopter | snarkpit: It's just a window manager. |
| 01:43.46 | snarkpit | Yeah I'm using/love darklooks. Oh okay, so even running over gnome the theming won't affect the look of the windows? |
| 01:43.56 | snarkpit | I know it is by itself thats whY I want to run it within gnome |
| 01:44.20 | Gargantua | What "theme" are you talking about? |
| 01:44.26 | Diopter | snarkpit: You definitely don't understand, then. |
| 01:44.39 | Diopter | snarkpit: "gnome" doesn't define themes. Toolkits do, like GTK and QT |
| 01:44.51 | snarkpit | Aye. The theming is a feature of metacity and by replacing it with xmonad, it won't matter anymore? |
| 01:45.02 | Gargantua | Unless he's talking about window borders. |
| 01:45.08 | Diopter | Not really. Unless you mean window decorations |
| 01:45.13 | Diopter | Which xmonad doesn't have/show |
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| 01:45.32 | snarkpit | Nah I don't give a s hit about window decorations, I know it doesn't have those. Just the text within say pidgin or xchat. |
| 01:46.03 | snarkpit | I guess my question is this then. Forget about GNOME. How can I accomplish that? Getting white text on black background within my individual programs? |
| 01:46.20 | Gargantua | And that looks black-over-white to you, with Darklooks? |
| 01:46.21 | Diopter | snarkpit: Depends on the programs. If you're talking terminals, then that's usually .Xdefaults. |
| 01:46.31 | Gargantua | Pidgin and xchat. |
| 01:46.40 | Diopter | snarkpit: If you're talking GTK or QT apps, then you need an appropriate theme. pidgin and x-chat are both GTK |
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| 01:47.21 | snarkpit | My main user apps are: chrome, evolution mail, pidgin, and xchat. |
| 01:47.32 | snarkpit | I'd swap any of them for another utility to do the same job and make this easier though. |
| 01:47.35 | Diopter | All GTK. |
| 01:47.48 | snarkpit | Well excellent then. So how do I apply a GTK theme within metacity? |
| 01:48.23 | Diopter | You said xmonad :P |
| 01:48.31 | snarkpit | er |
| 01:48.34 | snarkpit | thats what I meant XD |
| 01:48.36 | Diopter | hehe |
| 01:48.45 | snarkpit | I'd be lying if I said I hadn't been drinking a bit tonight. <.< |
| 01:48.47 | Diopter | Put the theme in .themes, and use something like gtk-chtheme to select it |
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| 01:49.27 | Diopter | Technically, it's based on the contents of the .gtkrc-2.0 file, which gtk-chtheme makes easier |
| 01:49.43 | snarkpit | gtk-chtheme - cli utility? I don't mind if it is. |
| 01:49.56 | Diopter | Nope, it's got a GUI. |
| 01:50.18 | snarkpit | Pretty spiffy |
| 01:50.25 | Diopter | If you're looking for very lightweight apps to use in conjunction with xmonad, you should check out the arch wiki |
| 01:50.34 | Diopter | They've got a page dedicated to it |
| 01:50.45 | snarkpit | Alrighty, I'm in my .themes folder. Now how would I track down where the darklooks theme is located? It's what I'm using now on gnome, so I know its installed. |
| 01:51.37 | snarkpit | diopter I definitely will. Really its not lightweight I"m going for so much as it is the minimal mouse usage. it seems to do by default EXACTLY what I've been wanting GNOME to do. Like windows side by side without overlap in their own workspace, keyboard shortcuts set to minimize mouse usage. |
| 01:51.44 | Diopter | snarkpit: Erm... maybe in /usr/share/themes or something |
| 01:52.34 | Gargantua | snarkpit: http://gargantua.codelove.org/screen5.jpg <- looks pretty dark to me. Just using darklooks. |
| 01:52.45 | Diopter | snarkpit: I switched to a tiling WM about 4 years ago to minimize mouse usage too |
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| 01:53.26 | Gargantua | Diopter: which one? |
| 01:54.17 | rodrigojimmy | Somebody knows where I can find the boot.img.gz of debian lenny amd64? I spent more than an hour looking for that file... but I can't find |
| 01:54.19 | Diopter | Gargantua: Xmonad. Tried quite a few on my way to it. The whole "learn Haskell to customize your config" thing is a bit offputting |
| 01:54.21 | Gargantua | You might wanna checkout http://dotshare.it if you decide to switch to one. |
| 01:54.45 | Diopter | Gargantua: But I like functional programming, so I got cozy and wrote my config. Haven't really looked back since |
| 01:54.52 | Gargantua | Hah, I hear you. |
| 01:55.05 | snarkpit | Y 're dead on about /usr/share/themes. Do I move the whole 'darklooks' folder over to ~/.themes ? |
| 01:55.19 | Diopter | snarkpit: Certainly can. Though I'd cp and not mv. |
| 01:55.41 | nnatomtop | peterrooney_, Hay I got back from dinner .. Still having the same troubble building transmission |
| 01:55.43 | Gargantua | The only ones I've liked were wmii and subtle. |
| 01:55.48 | snarkpit | Yeah might be nice if I ever go back to gnome, eh? XD |
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| 01:56.00 | Gargantua | Subtle is more of a "learn ruby to customize your config", yyhough :P |
| 01:56.00 | Diopter | Gargantua: I'm a big fan of the auto-tiling, so subtle kind of makes me :/ a little |
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| 01:56.29 | nnatomtop | how do I give wire shark permission to my interfaces from a particular user ? |
| 01:57.06 | tgs3_ | I want to have my computer boot up from USB that would contain MBR+/boot partition, how to make such an USB from my debian, and put there my current MBR+/boot ? |
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| 01:57.11 | snarkpit | diopter you have any good book suggestions on haskel for a non programmer? I know it's not exactly a beginner friendly language, but I'm smart enough to get through some hard stuff. I've always found the lisp family of languages fascinating from what I've read about t hem. |
| 01:57.26 | Diopter | snarkpit: Yes! Sec |
| 01:57.32 | Gargantua | Personally, I find it hard giving up gnome-panel and real-transparency etc. |
| 01:57.39 | Gargantua | snarkpit: learn you some haskell. |
| 01:57.47 | Diopter | That's the one |
| 01:57.56 | Diopter | http://learnyouahaskell.com/ |
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| 01:58.02 | Gargantua | There's a fucking cartoon elephant on the front page, how hard can it be? |
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| 01:58.16 | Diopter | haha |
| 01:58.29 | snarkpit | I'm impressed by the graphic the name and everything. Fate gentleman. I was meant to use this windows manager and learn haskell. |
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| 01:58.53 | simplew | in nautilus and other apps the scrool bar is to thin, how can i change it so that i can have a scrooll bar like appears in firefox??? |
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| 01:59.05 | Diopter | snarkpit: haha. Enjoy. |
| 01:59.06 | break19 | I think a better name would've been "Icanhaskell.com" :P |
| 01:59.43 | rodrigojimmy | boot.img.gz, from lenny amd64, somebody knows where I can find it? |
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| 01:59.54 | Gargantua | snarkpit: while drunk. |
| 02:00.31 | snarkpit | Hey this undertaking demands liquid courage. |
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| 02:00.53 | birdinatux | i did apt-get remove wicd and it seems to have removed it but i noticed at startup it still starts wicd and network-manager . How can I remove these both permenantly |
| 02:01.22 | Diopter | birdinatux: There's wicd-daemon, wicd-curses, wicd-gtk, etc... you probably just removed the virtual package "wicd" |
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| 02:02.01 | birdinatux | Diopter: I see. Will apt-get use wildcards like apt-get remove *wicd* |
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| 02:03.03 | Diopter | birdinatux: It'll do a regex if you make sure it doesn't get expanded by the shell (by quoting) |
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| 02:03.18 | Diopter | birdinatux: Like apt-get purge 'wicd.*', for instance. |
| 02:04.06 | JasonWoof | aptitude has a nice "limit" feature which shows only matching packages |
| 02:04.15 | JasonWoof | so type: lwicd<enter> |
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| 02:08.04 | troulouliou_dev | hi i m adding a desktop file to /etc/xdg/autostart |
| 02:08.11 | troulouliou_dev | but it look slike it is never launched |
| 02:08.38 | troulouliou_dev | the same file in ~/.config/autostart works great |
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| 02:11.44 | birdinatux | ok cool so it seems wicd and network-manager are uninstalled. thanks! |
| 02:12.00 | birdinatux | is there a 'preferred' network manager for debian or a recommended one? |
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| 02:12.28 | Diopter | birdinatux: I personally use wicd with the curses interface |
| 02:12.34 | snarkpit | I could make sweet love to you all, I now have darklooks on xmonad |
| 02:12.40 | Diopter | But I also spend a ton of time in the console |
| 02:13.04 | Diopter | snarkpit: haha. Grats! You might need to tweak up your web browser a bit, but otherwise enjoy. |
| 02:13.40 | snarkpit | Diopter What kinda tweaking? I look forward to it |
| 02:14.02 | Diopter | snarkpit: Well, you mentioned Chromium, which I think doesn't have an issue with a dark GTK theme |
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| 02:14.16 | Diopter | snarkpit: But xulrunner (mozilla) based browsers usually do, and need custom CSS files |
| 02:14.47 | snarkpit | I gotcha. I had that problem with the GNOME help program and darklooks on gnome. The thing that annoyed me was that unchecking the 'us system fonts' feature didn't fix it. I submitted a bug report on it. lol |
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| 02:15.06 | Diopter | snarkpit: I personally switched to Emacs and Emacs-bindings everywhere (shell, IRC, browser, etc), and I discovered the Conkeror browser, which is kind of fantastic, but xulrunner-based |
| 02:15.23 | Diopter | snarkpit: So I had to inject some CSS with ! important overrides to make input boxes look right |
| 02:16.08 | birdinatux | Diopter: Using wicd with KDE should I just sudo apt-get install wicd or would there be other steps? |
| 02:16.27 | snarkpit | I didn't know you could use emacs for all that, although I'd heard how verstile it was. I played around with it a bit as a text editor. Does it have a mail client built into it as well. |
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| 02:16.51 | Gargantua | Emacs is a great operating system. |
| 02:16.59 | Diopter | snarkpit: It does, and you can run several through it. But actually, I was just referring to the bindings. Though you Can run a shell in it, and IRC, and web browser... but I don't do that :P |
| 02:17.17 | Diopter | snarkpit: I.e., most shells use readline, and readline uses Emacs bindings by default |
| 02:17.27 | snarkpit | I gotcha. Easy script to apply emacs keybindings to whatever utility? |
| 02:17.38 | Diopter | Like... ^R for reverse history search, ^S for forward, ^A/^E for beginning/end of line, etc |
| 02:17.47 | Diopter | Moreso builtin |
| 02:18.09 | Diopter | If you can cover email program, browser, terminal and IRC, assuming you can run everything else Through those.. that about covers it |
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| 02:19.06 | snarkpit | Yeah that's pretty damn nifty. It'd definitely be the next step in minimizing mouse usage. |
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| 02:20.01 | Diopter | Quite! |
| 02:20.15 | Diopter | Been going on ~2 years trying to minimize it now. Works well for me |
| 02:20.25 | Diopter | Also, nice bonus, Xmonad works fantastically with multiple monitors |
| 02:20.42 | Diopter | Lets you switch between them with the keyboard, and even shift windows or swap workspaces between monitors easily |
| 02:21.19 | snarkpit | I like that it was really built one hundred percent for function. |
| 02:22.02 | Maccer | Does debian even utilize the framebuffer? I can't seem to start anything with the framebuffer in it. |
| 02:22.10 | Maccer | (that opens the framebuffer) |
| 02:23.30 | snarkpit | How do you lay out your workspaces, diopter? |
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| 02:24.48 | Diopter | snarkpit: By convention, these days. I tried the naming thing, and even icons, with dzen and whatnot. Eventually went back to xmobar, just using numbers and some custom pretty-printing for workspace notification and whatnot |
| 02:25.12 | Diopter | snarkpit: So I tend to use 1 for most general terminals, 2 for browser, 3 for mail, 8 for IRC, 9 for random GUI/video stuff |
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| 02:25.19 | Diopter | And inbetween for moving things around or opening extras |
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| 02:26.57 | snarkpit | Nice |
| 02:28.08 | Diopter | snarkpit: I also added some keybindings to give me options with window motions. Like... mod+shift+# moves the window And switches to the workspace. mod+ctrl+# just moves it |
| 02:28.19 | Diopter | (xmonad just moves it with shift by default and doesn't have a "and go there") |
| 02:29.28 | snarkpit | Yeah those are the sort of little tweaks I'll have to make to really get it how I want it. I'm really picky about behaviors. My big thing I'll want to customize really is keyboard shortcuts to open up an application and throw it into a predetermined spot on a predetermined workspace. |
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| 02:30.28 | Diopter | nods |
| 02:30.30 | Diopter | That's handy. |
| 02:30.37 | Diopter | And fairly easy once you see the crazy syntax. |
| 02:30.43 | snarkpit | I really like the alt+p functionality dmenu gives me. My only complaint so far is I'm having a hard time telling what window I'm on just glancing |
| 02:31.08 | Diopter | snarkpit: You can get something very similar built into xmonad if you like. |
| 02:31.35 | snarkpit | What's that? |
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| 02:31.59 | Diopter | To dmenu/floating terminal. |
| 02:32.10 | Diopter | I prefer the xmonad one to dmenu, for general shellery |
| 02:32.20 | snarkpit | Oh gotcha. How do the two differ? |
| 02:32.32 | CRUNK | whatup guys if im backing up my entire box because im about to do an encrypt of the drive, i dont have to backup /proc and /dev right as they are populated on boot? |
| 02:32.55 | CRUNK | last time i was doing an rsync of the drive it hung up on something in proc |
| 02:33.04 | Diopter | snarkpit: Eh.. easier to just try. And simple to setup. Also, we're way offtopic and there's support traffic now :P |
| 02:33.21 | Diopter | CRUNK: You can bypass that issue super easily. Just need some smart flags |
| 02:33.45 | snarkpit | lol fair enough man. Thanks a ton. |
| 02:33.59 | CRUNK | Diopter: oh lol |
| 02:34.08 | CRUNK | Diopter: ill checkout the man page |
| 02:34.09 | Diopter | CRUNK: I like to use -phaxPHAX when backing up an entire box. It'll grab all possible data and metadata, and the -x is the solution to your problem |
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| 02:34.28 | Diopter | CRUNK: It's for "one filesystem", which will skip mounted sub-directories in directories you specify |
| 02:34.30 | scwizard | I'm trying to make a dummy package |
| 02:34.37 | CRUNK | Diopter: thanks man! so that preserves all the permissions and user, id's etc? |
| 02:34.41 | CRUNK | user ids* |
| 02:34.47 | CRUNK | Diopter: ok cool |
| 02:34.50 | scwizard | and lintian gives me this error: upstream-version-not-numeric trunk |
| 02:34.53 | Diopter | CRUNK: So... rsync -phaxPHAX / /boot /home /path/to/target, for instance, if / and /boot and /home are separate partitions |
| 02:35.01 | CRUNK | Diopter: nice |
| 02:35.05 | Diopter | CRUNK: And yes, it absolutely preserves everything, including ACLs, hard links and xattrs. |
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| 02:35.13 | CRUNK | Diopter: thanks man! |
| 02:35.17 | scwizard | if the upstream version is the latest development release, then what am I supposed ot put as the version? |
| 02:35.19 | Diopter | CRUNK: If you want to make More backups (incrementally) to the same spot later, though, you need to add --del |
| 02:35.34 | Diopter | CRUNK: So it will make the destination always match the source, even if files disappear on the source. |
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| 02:35.49 | CRUNK | Diopter: alright sweet :) |
| 02:35.53 | CRUNK | have a good one |
| 02:36.11 | Diopter | You as well |
| 02:36.47 | CRUNK | Diopter: one last question, if i already have a partial backup that I ended when it got hung up on /proc stuff, is there a way to keep whats there already and add whats missing? |
| 02:36.50 | CRUNK | Diopter: with rsync |
| 02:37.07 | nnandroidphone | Doipter does that rsync coman show how much each file is coppied. Or just wich files are copying. |
| 02:37.15 | Diopter | nnandroidphone: Both. |
| 02:37.25 | nnandroidphone | Cool :) |
| 02:37.55 | Diopter | CRUNK: The flags I gave you will resume any partial files, but if you have some cruft from /sys or /proc or /dev, you might want to add --del so it'll empty those virtual directories on your target |
| 02:38.17 | CRUNK | Diopter: ah yea, ill just start it over |
| 02:38.22 | CRUNK | Diopter: its my work computer, dont want anything fucking up |
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| 02:39.15 | rue_mohr | gcc 4.7 cant compile 2.6.38.8 |
| 02:39.28 | Diopter | CRUNK: mmm. |
| 02:39.47 | scwizard | here is says the version number can be alphanumeric: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 02:40.01 | scwizard | so why does lintian complain when the versionnumber isn't purely numeric? |
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| 02:43.00 | simplew | how can i check whats the source package of a certain package? |
| 02:43.05 | nnandroidphone | If onily android could Tie into NFS... .. btw what is the best secure network file system compatable with win/linux/mac? |
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| 02:43.47 | rue_shop | how do I compile a 2.6.39.4 kernel on debian, gcc 4.7 is incompatible with pthread.c/pthread.h |
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| 02:46.02 | CRUNK | Diopter: thanks for the help man, ill see you on the other side :P |
| 02:46.03 | JasonWoof | Diopter: nice haskell intro :) |
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| 02:46.34 | Diopter | JasonWoof: inorite? lolz |
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| 02:46.55 | JasonWoof | (09:57:55 PM) Diopter: http://learnyouahaskell.com/ |
| 02:47.11 | Diopter | It's a lot of fun |
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| 02:51.27 | scwizard | oh it just has to have a number somewhere in it |
| 02:51.28 | scwizard | curious |
| 02:52.00 | simplew | can anyone help me with rebuilding deb packages? |
| 02:53.21 | nnandroidphone | rue_shop, why that version why not just go to version 3? |
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| 02:59.41 | tr4sk | Hi :) Did someone already setup a jasperserver+web intregration ? I'm in lack of information. |
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| 03:11.06 | birdinatux | Hello I running debian 6.0.5 and wicd . I am getting a bad password error when trying to connect to wpa2 wireless. I am 100% sure the password is correct. Any suggestions? I have completely removed all of network-manager and wicd before reinstalling wicd. |
| 03:12.31 | Diopter | birdinatux: Are you certain you've selected WPA2 PSK/passphrase? |
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| 03:13.28 | birdinatux | yup |
| 03:13.38 | birdinatux | even tried both and tried the pass in hex form :) |
| 03:14.00 | SiDz | try to hide the network |
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| 03:14.37 | SiDz | This problem still occurs if the access point is not hidden. |
| 03:14.53 | Diopter | birdinatux: tailf /var/log/wicd/wicd.log, see what wicd/wpa_supplicant are complaining about |
| 03:15.31 | SiDz | what version of wicd |
| 03:15.32 | birdinatux | http://pastebin.com/ucFeYZJp is a pastebin of my wicd.log |
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| 03:16.00 | Diopter | lolz, FBI VAN 3E |
| 03:16.12 | birdinatux | sidz the latest installed with apt-get install |
| 03:16.21 | SiDz | dpkg -l |grep wicd |
| 03:16.22 | dpkg | ii |grep wicd 1.4-1.3 sidz's private porn collection |
| 03:16.23 | birdinatux | haha discourages neighbors i suppose |
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| 03:17.15 | Diopter | birdinatux: Check dmesg or syslog, see what wpa_supplicant is saying |
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| 03:17.51 | Diopter | birdinatux: It Looks like it's just simply failing to auth. |
| 03:17.51 | SiDz | that is a know problem, wicd say bad passwd even if using right passwd |
| 03:17.54 | SiDz | on wpa2 |
| 03:18.02 | Diopter | SiDz: Known problem, eh? |
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| 03:18.18 | SiDz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/540070 |
| 03:18.34 | SiDz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/wicd-wifi-connection-fails-bad-password-wpa2-846850/ |
| 03:18.48 | Diopter | Interesting. |
| 03:19.11 | Diopter | I've had a few WPA2 EAP networks fail, but I fixed them by explicitly specifying group and cipher |
| 03:19.21 | SiDz | you should dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 03:19.30 | SiDz | its almost stable now |
| 03:19.35 | birdinatux | what seemed relevant of dmesg ( the end of it) http://pastebin.com/tsAEwiJc |
| 03:19.42 | Diopter | Been on testing for 8ish months |
| 03:20.08 | SiDz | or grab the wicd deb and dep from wheezy |
| 03:20.58 | birdinatux | just apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 03:21.43 | SiDz | yep;p |
| 03:21.51 | stew | SiDz: what do you mean by "almost stable"? |
| 03:21.53 | sney | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:21.53 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 03:22.08 | SiDz | dpkg wheezy |
| 03:22.08 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 03:22.21 | SiDz | frozen! |
| 03:22.27 | sney | birdinatux: only do it if you know what you're in for. I'd at least check on the programs you use a lot, and make sure they're still in and not changed in any way you'd hate. (e.g. Gnome) |
| 03:22.28 | SiDz | dpkg frreeze |
| 03:22.28 | dpkg | SiDz: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:22.35 | SiDz | dpkg freeze |
| 03:22.35 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
| 03:22.44 | stew | SiDz: it being frozen means that it keeps changing for many more months |
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| 03:22.51 | stew | (i.e. not stable) |
| 03:22.58 | SiDz | kk:P |
| 03:23.34 | birdinatux | sney: I am running KDE and really the only thing I use is kvirc and konqurer lol. |
| 03:23.34 | sney | it is solid and usable for people who know what they're doing. "almost stable" won't happen until the release is actually in sight |
| 03:24.49 | stew | and for people that don't need security updates |
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| 03:27.22 | birdinatux | dist-upgrade gave me 0 upgraded 0 installed 0 removed |
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| 03:27.58 | sney | birdinatux: you see dpkg's instructions up there where I said dpkg: squeeze-wheezy |
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| 03:28.28 | stew | birdinatux: why do you want testing? |
| 03:28.53 | birdinatux | getting the bad password when trying to connect to wpa2 |
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| 03:29.41 | stew | that really doesn't sound like a good reason to move from stable, especially if you have no idea what you are doing or if it would fix anything |
| 03:30.45 | birdinatux | its no loss if it doesn't work. it is a fresh install |
| 03:30.52 | simplew | im learning how to build deb packages, but in the build output i dont see nothing about the patches applied, any help? |
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| 03:31.18 | stew | simplew: what format are you using? 1.0? or 3.0 (quilt)? |
| 03:32.53 | simplew | stew, how do i see that |
| 03:33.00 | stew | simplew: in debian/source/format |
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| 03:33.18 | simplew | 3.0 (quilt) |
| 03:34.02 | stew | ok, so then the patches should be in debian/patches and listed in debian/patches/series, right? |
| 03:34.12 | simplew | stew, yes |
| 03:34.29 | stew | then they should definitely be applied. do you have a .pc directory? |
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| 03:34.50 | simplew | stew: where |
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| 03:35.01 | stew | the top level directory in the source |
| 03:35.10 | stew | above the debian directory |
| 03:35.16 | stew | err, a sibling of the debian directory |
| 03:35.21 | simplew | stew: yes |
| 03:35.33 | stew | that's a sign that patches have already been applied |
| 03:35.53 | simplew | stew: but there isnt the new patch i add into debian/patches |
| 03:36.03 | stew | "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt applied" should list the applied patches |
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| 03:36.21 | stew | simplew: how did you add the patch? |
| 03:36.37 | simplew | i created the patch and put it into debian/patches |
| 03:36.49 | stew | no, you should be using quilt to add patches |
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| 03:37.05 | simplew | stew: this is the patch http://pastebin.com/tdyVFnN0 |
| 03:37.13 | simplew | stew: hows that? |
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| 03:38.21 | stew | set the QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches environment variable, then use commands like "quilt new patchname" apply the patch, then "quilt refresh" |
| 03:38.45 | stew | this should add the file to debian/patches and add your patch to the list of patches in debian/patches/series |
| 03:39.11 | stew | you can apply/unapply patches from the series in order by running quilt push / quilt pop |
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| 03:41.21 | simplew | stew: yes it did add, but i did put the patch in the top dir i did run quilt add new_patch from there |
| 03:41.35 | simplew | stew: now the patch isnt in debian/patches, hwo can i move it to there? |
| 03:41.46 | simplew | stew: but is listed ins eries |
| 03:42.25 | simplew | stew: wait now i see it there, but now its in 3 palces, in top dir and in debian/paches |
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| 03:43.12 | stew | quilt add is to add a file to the patch on the top of the stack. not to add a new patch |
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| 03:43.41 | stew | quilt new is to add a new patch (i think to the current position) in the stack |
| 03:43.49 | simplew | stew: by the way how is possible to do a build short-circuit in deb build system? in rpm is: rpmbuild -ba --short-circuit foo.spec |
| 03:44.03 | stew | what does "short-circuit" mean? |
| 03:44.50 | simplew | stew: it you do a small change, like the one with the patch, but instead yo do it directly in the build tree, and then simply do a "make install" with the deb build system |
| 03:46.15 | simonlnu | why not just account for it? |
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| 03:46.46 | stew | quilt push until the the patch you want to change is the one on the top of the stack, then "quilt edit filename" to make changes to a file and have the changes included in the patch, then "quilt refresh" to actually have the changes realized in the path, then when you build, you might want dpkg-buildpackage to get a -nc switch to prevent it from cleaning |
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| 03:48.59 | simplew | stew: hy you missconfused |
| 03:49.46 | stew | i suppose you want me to tell you to skip the quilt part then |
| 03:51.09 | birdinatux | lines 71 - 74 and lines 85 - around 120 have anything to do with bad password error? http://pastebin.com/tsAEwiJc |
| 03:51.29 | simplew | stew: for example an rpm example, i build a rpm, but somehow i forgot to perform a change, so i go back to the rpm buildtree and isntead creating a patch and start the build from the start, instead i apply the patch directly, so the rpm buildtree is already patched, so now i only need to do a make isntall, and that in the rpm system is done with a short-circuit, i.e.: rpmbuild -ba --short-circuit foo.spec, how is that short-circuit (or make isntall |
| 03:51.29 | simplew | ) done in the deb build system? |
| 03:52.43 | stew | simplew: perhaps: dpkg-buildpackage -nc -rfakeroot |
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| 03:53.12 | stew | that at least skips the cleaning part |
| 03:53.18 | simplew | stew: ok ill try it later |
| 03:53.33 | stew | but its still going to actually build the package |
| 03:53.53 | simplew | stew: the patch in the parent dir oustiside the build dir, so to add the patch i did run: quilt new ../21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch |
| 03:53.54 | stew | if you want to avoid that and really just do the make install, you are going to have to learn a LOT more |
| 03:54.03 | simplew | stew: but i do not see the patch in debian/patches |
| 03:54.51 | nsadmin | so then you remove that, and want to reinstall with those changes but you forgot you patched (since it's been 6 months)... that something you expect? |
| 03:55.46 | simplew | stew: what i see in -pc/applied-patches: ../21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch |
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| 03:56.06 | stew | simplew: I believe you want the patch name to be something like "21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left" not "../21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch" ; I'm not surprised if the patch doesn't show up in debian/patches until you refresh (after you actually make some changes) |
| 03:56.09 | simplew | stew: and it did created the dir 21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch in top builddir |
| 03:56.29 | stew | simplew: i think you need to read a quilt tutorial |
| 03:56.36 | simplew | stew: can we start from the begining, im get confused |
| 03:57.07 | simplew | stew: lets imagine i have a patch file in outside the builddir, how do i add into debian/patches? |
| 03:57.35 | stew | simplew: did you set the QUILT_PATCHES env var? |
| 03:57.41 | simplew | no, sorry |
| 03:57.49 | stew | do that |
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| 03:58.18 | nsadmin | stew, where would you set that var? |
| 03:58.42 | stew | in a shell |
| 03:58.55 | simplew | stew: im starting from the begining and im getting the source code again |
| 03:58.57 | simplew | done |
| 03:59.06 | nsadmin | oh ok, so the package build process wouldn't need that normally? |
| 03:59.18 | simplew | now i will: cd nautilus; $ export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches |
| 03:59.23 | simplew | stew: is this ok? |
| 03:59.25 | stew | yes |
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| 03:59.46 | stew | simplew: other patches already exist? do you know where in the stack of patches you want yours to be? |
| 03:59.49 | stew | h |
| 04:00.00 | simplew | stew: yes there are patches in debian/patches |
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| 04:00.29 | stew | simplew: run quilt push to apply all the patches that you want applied BEFORE your patch is applied |
| 04:00.30 | simplew | stew: so now i can run: quilt new ../21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch ? |
| 04:00.35 | stew | no |
| 04:00.46 | stew | ../21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch is a bad name for a patch |
| 04:01.01 | simplew | stew: cant i simply add this patch to the list of patches? |
| 04:01.26 | simplew | stew: the aptch is located outside the builddir, thats why i used ../ |
| 04:01.45 | simplew | now for the patch name i simply follow how the other patches name are done |
| 04:01.57 | stew | let me know when you have the patches that this will sit on top of pushed |
| 04:02.07 | stew | simplew: no, you didn't |
| 04:02.18 | stew | simplew: you didn't follow the names that they had already |
| 04:02.29 | stew | simplew: I doubt that any of them had periods in the name |
| 04:02.39 | simplew | 15_use-ubuntu-help.patch |
| 04:02.43 | simplew | 20_static_unity_quicklist.patch |
| 04:02.45 | stew | right |
| 04:02.48 | stew | no ../ |
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| 04:03.19 | simplew | god!, do you undestand why i need to use ../? else it will not found the patch, the patch is outside the build dir |
| 04:03.23 | nsadmin | are you porting unity? |
| 04:03.29 | simplew | no |
| 04:03.31 | stew | simplew: you aren't talking about a filename yet |
| 04:03.44 | stew | simplew: you are talking about "hey quilt, lets start talking about a new patch i want to create" |
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| 04:03.59 | simplew | ill put the patch in debian/patches and ill run quilt from there, ... |
| 04:04.40 | simplew | 2$ quilt new debian/patches/21_back-and-forward-buttons-to-left.patch |
| 04:04.40 | simplew | Patch 21_back-and-forward-buttons-to-left.patch is now on top |
| 04:04.42 | stew | simplew: you are going to say "lets start making a patch nameed 21_back-and-forwar-buttons-to-left.patch, ok? cool, now watch the changes I make to files, those changes will become the contents of the patch., then ok i'm done making changes, now make a patch out of the changes I have just made |
| 04:05.23 | simplew | i havent understand what you mean |
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| 04:05.57 | stew | simplew: quilt new {patchname} does not take a filename, it takes a patch name |
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| 04:06.12 | stew | and a patch name can be anything you want it to be, as it is something that doesn't exist yet |
| 04:06.37 | xio3 | i need to add a user and i'm trying to figure out how to do it. i know useradd username -p password should do it. but when i check to see if /home/username is created it isn't and i can't login either under this newly created account. what am i doing wrong here? |
| 04:06.42 | stew | you are telling quilt "ok, i want to make some new changes, and I want you to create a patch out of the changes I'm going to make, and call that {patchname}" |
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| 04:06.47 | simplew | stew: and the path, else will not know where to get the patch file, you cant simply put quilt new patch_name.patch if the patch isnt in the dir where you are |
| 04:07.10 | stew | simplew: go find a quilt tutorial |
| 04:07.14 | stew | i give up |
| 04:07.21 | simplew | but for what i see the patches need to be put under debian/patches and then run: quilt new debian/patches/patch |
| 04:07.32 | simplew | and now the patch is listed like theothers |
| 04:08.05 | simplew | stew: hard to believe you dont understand a simple thing |
| 04:08.21 | stew | simplew: realize that I am on the team that maintains the debian repository |
| 04:08.27 | stew | and maintain packages for debian |
| 04:08.31 | stew | and actually know how to use quilt |
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| 04:08.50 | stew | and I'm sure that quilt new DOES NOT TAKE A PATH TO A FILENAME ON THE COMMAND LINE |
| 04:08.53 | simplew | stew: i do not want to say otherwise, but what i did was a basic thing |
| 04:09.02 | stew | great, enjoy |
| 04:09.06 | simplew | stew: it just did |
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| 04:09.22 | simplew | stew: so how would quit find the aptch, by magic? |
| 04:09.33 | stew | it doesn't |
| 04:09.40 | simplew | it just did |
| 04:09.44 | stew | you change files, then say "make a patch out of the files i just changed" |
| 04:09.55 | simplew | hu? |
| 04:09.55 | boudiccas | simplew: stop digging a grave for yourself, you're trying stew's patience |
| 04:10.09 | pseubodot | xio3: have a look at the man pages for 'adduser' and 'useradd' |
| 04:10.10 | stew | simplew: try to figure out what quilt refresh does |
| 04:10.21 | pseubodot | xio3: (in that order. :) |
| 04:10.21 | simplew | but stew isnt understanding a simple thing, still im thankfull for his help |
| 04:10.25 | stew | hahah |
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| 04:11.02 | simplew | well now i get nautlis build with the patch |
| 04:11.37 | stew | simplew: here: "making a new patch" http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt#Making_a_new_patch |
| 04:11.48 | simplew | boudiccas: if im in top dir, the patch is in debian/patches, you need to tell quilt where the patch is, you cant just run "quilt add patch_file.patch" |
| 04:12.06 | simplew | s/add/new |
| 04:12.13 | stew | simplew: you name it. THEN MAKE CHANGES WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE PATH (which could be done by feeding your existing patch into patch), then run quilt refresh |
| 04:12.48 | simplew | oh adding the path in the patch, thats another way yes |
| 04:12.53 | stew | simplew: if you want to import an existing patch, there is a quilt import |
| 04:12.55 | simplew | but i wasnt understanding |
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| 04:13.06 | simplew | stew: english isnt my native lang |
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| 04:15.23 | simplew | stew: thanks for the help |
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| 04:16.04 | simplew | isnt possible to have a single builddeb dir for all packages? |
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| 04:17.49 | stew | what is a builddeb dir? |
| 04:18.15 | simplew | stew: in rpm we use to use a single builddir to all packages |
| 04:18.22 | stew | ok? |
| 04:19.01 | simplew | stew: is that possible in deb? |
| 04:19.18 | simplew | stew: in http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-rpm-build.html you can see the rpm build dir structure |
| 04:19.21 | stew | i'm not sure what that means |
| 04:20.12 | stew | you |
| 04:20.13 | simplew | you have a buildidr and in it you have the subdirs: {BUILD;RPMS,SOURCES,SPECS,SRPMS} |
| 04:20.15 | stew | err |
| 04:20.19 | stew | go for it |
| 04:20.41 | simplew | is that possible in deb? |
| 04:21.02 | simplew | istead having a buildir for each source package? |
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| 04:21.42 | stew | i can't see this conversation going well |
| 04:21.46 | stew | forget I asked |
| 04:22.17 | simplew | stew: i was doing a simple question, and you come with "go for it", ok nevermind |
| 04:22.30 | stew | simplew: sorry, the answer to your question is "yes" |
| 04:23.16 | simplew | is there a howto explaining that, i cant find any about it |
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| 04:23.21 | stew | no |
| 04:23.35 | stew | i've never heard of it being done before |
| 04:23.50 | Getty | i'm on debian testing and have "weird" font behaviours, like (especially on webpages when i scroll) it sometimes gets into garbage (like an old tv without station), sometimes into solid black bolds, sometimes gone, but always font related, and always like "changing" with my behaviour, so when i move around the window long enough i get a state where i can read it ;) its very extreme in googlemail, not so on other applications or websites, but still there (in xch |
| 04:23.50 | Getty | at it is NOT there at all) |
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| 04:24.18 | simplew | stew: though you answered "yes" |
| 04:24.21 | stew | yes |
| 04:27.01 | simplew | in xchat im getting severallentries in chinese, also in gnome region settings is also listed chinese but i dont have any *.zh chinese package, neither translations, so how can i get rid of these chinese entries in xchat? |
| 04:27.04 | boudiccas | Getty: whats your graphics card? |
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| 04:28.39 | sweb | i wan migrae from ubuntu to deb for my laptop ... it's a good choise ? |
| 04:29.08 | stew | sweb: as you might suspect, we are fans of debian here, but why do you want to migrate? |
| 04:29.38 | sweb | 1st ... i hate unity ... gnome shell have many crashes in ubuntu |
| 04:29.51 | sweb | second ... i'm we developer ... php programmer ... |
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| 04:30.09 | stew | sweb: aren't there other desktop environments in ubuntu? |
| 04:30.23 | sweb | i like gnome shell |
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| 04:31.58 | Getty | boudiccas: lspci is not very helpful sadly, its a toshiba satellite laptop, lspci only says NVIDIA for the vga, i checkup what exactly it is |
| 04:32.06 | Getty | boudiccas: (if nvidia is not enough) |
| 04:32.19 | simplew | Getty: lspci -vvv |
| 04:32.35 | sney | lspci -nn might be a little more revealing |
| 04:32.44 | sney | since judd might recognize a pciid even if his system doesn't |
| 04:32.55 | Getty | both give nothing more ;) |
| 04:33.02 | Getty | i mean they give more, but not what we need |
| 04:33.38 | Getty | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.39 | Getty | ;) |
| 04:33.40 | sney | you should see something formatted like [xxxx:xxxx} |
| 04:33.43 | boudiccas | Getty: can you paste in dpaste the output relevant to your card please and tell us the url? |
| 04:33.43 | sney | when you do -nn |
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| 04:34.00 | Getty | oh yes of course, that can directly used to find the proper cardname? |
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| 04:34.25 | sney | yeah, we have a channel bot that has a database of them. what is it |
| 04:34.53 | Getty | [10de:0dec] |
| 04:35.03 | sney | ,pciid 10de:0dec |
| 04:35.03 | Getty | i should add this as plugin to duckduckgo |
| 04:35.04 | judd | [10de:0dec] is 'Unknown device' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0dec and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 04:35.13 | sney | hrm. |
| 04:35.59 | sney | it is a... NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M |
| 04:36.57 | sney | should be supported by the non-free driver. I have a GTX 560 that works flawlessly. |
| 04:37.41 | Getty | how can i see what driver i use at all? |
| 04:37.52 | simplew | where are stored the nautilus config files? |
| 04:37.53 | Getty | damn, so many years no linux desktop, feels like totally noob level |
| 04:38.09 | sweb | stew: i need insall testing for have laest gnome version / |
| 04:38.10 | sweb | ? |
| 04:38.14 | sney | Getty: for the non-free driver, just enable non-free, install your kernel headers, and install nvidia-kernel-dkms. to see what driver you're using, scroll through Xorg.0.log or look for nvidia or nouveau in lsmod |
| 04:38.28 | stew | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 04:38.30 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; sid: 3.4.2.1-1; wheezy: 3.4.2.1-1 |
| 04:38.39 | stew | sweb: ^ |
| 04:38.53 | stew | sweb: squeeze is stable, wheezy is testing |
| 04:39.04 | sweb | stew: ty |
| 04:39.58 | Getty | i have added non-free but after install, so ok, doing that steps now |
| 04:40.24 | boudiccas | Getty: dont forget to update first before upgrading :) |
| 04:40.39 | Getty | yeah doing that all the time hehe ;) |
| 04:40.57 | stew | ugh |
| 04:42.53 | Getty | crunch... lots of stuff he wanna install now |
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| 05:00.30 | Getty | now everything exploded lol :) |
| 05:00.46 | Getty | with the new nvidia non-free driver X doesnt come up at all |
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| 05:01.07 | nsadmin | Getty check logs |
| 05:01.57 | Getty | which of the 379? ;) hehe yeah checking into one of them |
| 05:02.24 | nsadmin | see if exists ~/X* |
| 05:02.55 | Getty | mh i dont know, it actually only complains in the end that there is no free VT |
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| 05:03.13 | Getty | but it shows up lots of NOUVEAU driver stuff, and he told me on the install of the nvidia non-free stuff that he replaces this with the non-free nvidia driver |
| 05:03.20 | Getty | i feel like that noone told X todo so |
| 05:03.21 | jjjwwss | hello |
| 05:03.41 | Getty | (i rebooted) |
| 05:03.58 | Getty | nsadmin: which ~/ ? X doesnt come up at all, no gdm nothing |
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| 05:04.28 | Getty | (actually i had 200< gdm processes running, even tho could have been zombies, i was more likely checking to get my system back which was hard with every 5 sec. X trying to restart |
| 05:04.29 | nsadmin | exists any file(s) ~/X* ? |
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| 05:11.54 | nsadmin | Getty, still wondering whether those files exist.. have you checked yet? |
| 05:13.09 | Getty | no of those exist |
| 05:13.27 | Getty | here is the pastebin of the Xlog in /var/log http://paste.debian.net/179696/ |
| 05:13.33 | nsadmin | ok, howbout /var/log/X* ? |
| 05:13.40 | nsadmin | oh that;s it? |
| 05:13.41 | Getty | yeah i said there are plenty |
| 05:13.42 | Getty | yes |
| 05:13.53 | Getty | never said there is none ;) just didnt pastebined it yet |
| 05:13.58 | Getty | i mean now i have ;) so you can see |
| 05:13.58 | nsadmin | could you run date and ls -l /var/log/X* |
| 05:14.08 | Getty | nsadmin: why? |
| 05:14.19 | nsadmin | check for the latest X* |
| 05:14.20 | Getty | i have 400 of them ;) cause X retried to start every 10 sec. |
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| 05:14.29 | Getty | oh 300 of those are ONLY cause of this |
| 05:14.36 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 05:14.39 | Getty | i picked one now, THAT is definitly the error i have |
| 05:14.45 | nsadmin | let me take a look |
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| 05:14.53 | Getty | i restarted now into kernel -2 |
| 05:15.07 | Getty | as stew suggested i installed nvidia-modules-drms or whatever it was called |
| 05:15.25 | Getty | which installed fine and told me that it replaces NOUVEAU drivers with nvidia after i reboot |
| 05:15.41 | Getty | but i see still that it loads the nouveau driver, so i think the problem is that noone told X now to use the other one |
| 05:15.49 | Getty | or probably i have to install that one at all for X itself |
| 05:15.51 | nsadmin | "cannot find a free vt" |
| 05:15.52 | Getty | i dont know |
| 05:16.37 | nsadmin | is there a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:16.46 | Getty | wait wait you go to far |
| 05:16.52 | Getty | i did all proper via debian processes so far |
| 05:16.53 | nsadmin | pretty sure I'm not getting the name wrong |
| 05:17.15 | Getty | but lets see into it |
| 05:17.47 | Getty | there is no xorg.conf... lets see if i can find it |
| 05:18.04 | Getty | mh not really |
| 05:18.04 | nsadmin | howbout Xorg.conf |
| 05:18.10 | Getty | yeah yeah searched that too |
| 05:18.20 | nsadmin | ok, btw that's normal |
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| 05:18.27 | Getty | yeah i remembered ;) |
| 05:19.52 | Getty | there is actually not much config at all in /etc/X11 |
| 05:20.02 | Getty | i hope i didnt picked a bad testing state hehe |
| 05:20.27 | Getty | ok,now just need to find out where X decides that drivers |
| 05:21.30 | Getty | damn it! |
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| 05:22.42 | nsadmin | I saw that |
| 05:22.57 | nsadmin | look at line 95 |
| 05:23.25 | nsadmin | I'm not sure why, it says it tries to load nv |
| 05:23.29 | jagginess | i saw that too.. ()() functioned |
| 05:23.32 | nsadmin | and says there is none |
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| 05:23.37 | Getty | DRI2 ? |
| 05:24.25 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 05:24.36 | nsadmin | look at tne next few lines |
| 05:25.00 | Getty | i see |
| 05:25.03 | nsadmin | it seems it ranks the drivers into an order to try them |
| 05:25.05 | Getty | even tho i dont understand it |
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| 05:26.49 | Getty | i mean if it takes the nouveau driver first, why it crashs? |
| 05:26.58 | Getty | even tho, ok, could be that then the kernel driver doesnt fit anymore |
| 05:27.02 | Getty | i have no clue..... |
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| 05:30.32 | nsadmin | so it says there's a file /var/log/Xorg.399.log |
| 05:30.43 | Getty | yes thats the one i showed you |
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| 05:30.51 | Getty | i have more of those ;) all the same |
| 05:31.00 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 05:31.06 | nsadmin | what's the earliest one? |
| 05:31.31 | Getty | aehm you mean earliest after the reboot? aehm... no idea |
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| 05:31.38 | Getty | lets see |
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| 05:31.53 | nsadmin | you can ls -l --sort=time |
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| 05:32.55 | Getty | mh |
| 05:33.20 | Getty | i dont know if that is REALLY the first one, i mean it fits by time |
| 05:34.01 | Getty | http://paste.debian.net/179697/ |
| 05:34.19 | nsadmin | I'm thinking two directions, want to see that, and want to see if anything works better if nv is installed |
| 05:34.40 | Getty | what you mean with "nv" in this case? |
| 05:34.49 | Getty | i have xserver-xorg-nvidia installed and those nvidia-modules |
| 05:35.00 | nsadmin | it's the free driver |
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| 05:35.40 | Getty | mh? now you confuse me, cause everywhere is also this nouveau which is referenced as the free driver |
| 05:36.23 | nsadmin | I'm just noticing it tries to find nv, and fails to do so |
| 05:36.46 | Getty | what should i try to install to fix that? ;) |
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| 05:37.05 | nsadmin | btw, the thing you showed me has most of the stuff of the others except it succeeds in using vt8 |
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| 05:37.27 | Getty | nsadmin: yeah that confused me also |
| 05:37.29 | simplew | anyone that can help with quilt? |
| 05:38.44 | nsadmin | simplew, I dunno quilt... I remember stew asked if you would read the quilt tutorial |
| 05:40.14 | Getty | nsadmin: so whats the plan for the next reboot now? ;) |
| 05:41.08 | nsadmin | I think you should try to find and install nv |
| 05:41.54 | Getty | whatever that is in that context ;) |
| 05:42.09 | Getty | why stew is now gone? ;) |
| 05:42.40 | nsadmin | xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 05:42.59 | nsadmin | this won't be 3d, but it might work |
| 05:43.18 | Getty | there is none |
| 05:43.27 | Getty | when i apt-cache search this i get back the nvidia one |
| 05:43.45 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 05:44.07 | nsadmin | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
| 05:44.47 | Getty | i use wheezy main non-free contrib, with security updates |
| 05:45.16 | Getty | i have no nopaste command btw ;) i wanted to install one, but didnt found a package, i install the perl one then i'm fine for now |
| 05:45.46 | nsadmin | what';s it called? |
| 05:45.56 | Getty | App::Nopaste |
| 05:46.20 | Getty | my local::lib and cpanm installation was the first step hehe ;) curl http://duckpan.org/install.pl | perl |
| 05:46.30 | nsadmin | there should be a package libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 05:46.49 | Getty | oh god, system packages of perl... dont hurt me |
| 05:46.57 | nsadmin | it gives you an executable nopaste |
| 05:47.12 | Getty | yeah installing it via cpanm in my user env right now (the latest) |
| 05:47.34 | Getty | i do perl for living and work for perl marketing, you cant suggest me system packages of debian ;) |
| 05:47.46 | Getty | no, you just cant ;) |
| 05:48.47 | nevyn | sigh more wtfpackages problem. |
| 05:48.48 | Getty | nsadmin: so here, just to make you happy: http://pastie.org/4282105 |
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| 05:49.28 | nsadmin | is there not nv in wheezy? |
| 05:49.40 | Getty | not in my package list |
| 05:49.55 | Getty | just xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
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| 05:50.23 | nevyn | nsadmin: no |
| 05:50.26 | nevyn | try nouveau |
| 05:50.42 | Getty | nooooooo!!!! ;) devils cycle |
| 05:50.46 | ranix | hey dudes, I gots a question. I have a laptop here I'm trying to use NAT on with iptables. But, every time the computer I'm sharing its internet connection with goes down, my eth0 gets unconfigured, a-la ifdown. Can I stop this from happening so the interface is always up even when the link goes down? |
| 05:50.48 | Getty | the mission is here to get rid of nouveau |
| 05:51.02 | Getty | i installed the non-free nvidia drivers but all explodes when i wanna start my system |
| 05:51.05 | nevyn | Getty: oh and replace it with non-free software? |
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| 05:51.22 | ranix | it's causing me headaches because I repeatedly have to "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1/24" every time it reboots or otherwise loses link |
| 05:51.36 | nsadmin | nevyn, ok, thanks |
| 05:51.38 | nevyn | Getty: how did you install the non-free drivers? |
| 05:52.01 | nevyn | !nvidia |
| 05:52.01 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:52.04 | Getty | aehm, stew told me, i apt-get install'ed nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:52.08 | nsadmin | Getty, I've gone as far as I can |
| 05:52.22 | Getty | nsadmin: hehe no problem :) thanks for trying |
| 05:52.27 | nevyn | Getty: ok... |
| 05:52.30 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 05:52.47 | ranix | fuckit I'm plugging it into a switch |
| 05:52.54 | ranix | point to point links are a giant pain |
| 05:52.59 | nevyn | Getty: you have non-free enabled right? |
| 05:53.11 | Getty | nevyn: else i wouldnt be able to install it, or? ;-) |
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| 05:53.25 | nevyn | Getty: apt-cache search nvidia-glx |
| 05:53.36 | Getty | is there |
| 05:53.39 | Getty | should i install it? |
| 05:53.44 | nevyn | you do need that. |
| 05:53.52 | Getty | its there |
| 05:53.56 | Getty | i mean it was there |
| 05:54.03 | Getty | it is now there |
| 05:54.09 | Getty | and was there all the time |
| 05:54.10 | Getty | so |
| 05:54.11 | Getty | :) |
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| 05:55.26 | nevyn | you also need xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 05:55.31 | Getty | yeah thats there |
| 05:55.31 | nevyn | do you have that? |
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| 05:56.09 | nevyn | ok. |
| 05:56.47 | Getty | i did so less that i cant do anything wrong, so it must be something missing, OR there is a bug in testing i hit ;) |
| 05:57.04 | nevyn | ok. |
| 05:57.08 | nevyn | !nvidia dkms |
| 05:57.09 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>. |
| 05:57.28 | Getty | uh |
| 05:57.36 | Getty | thats a bit more |
| 05:58.00 | nsadmin | that;'s for squeeze tho, what about wheezy |
| 05:58.01 | nevyn | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" |
| 05:58.04 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:58.19 | nevyn | I'd be surprised if wheezy didn't also require the creation of xorg.conf.d |
| 05:58.29 | nevyn | which seems to be the gap getty has |
| 05:58.40 | nsadmin | hmm, ok |
| 05:58.44 | Getty | somehow i agree, but then the bug is that debian never told me! hehe :) |
| 05:59.07 | nsadmin | and you had trouble believing any person |
| 05:59.23 | nsadmin | that served to increase time |
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| 05:59.47 | nevyn | Getty: no telling you is now a bug. as it's directing people towards proprietary software and indentured servitude. |
| 06:00.11 | Getty | hehe |
| 06:00.15 | Getty | btw i do this cause of a bug |
| 06:00.26 | Getty | i have font flickering that is very annoying, thats why stew suggested going this way |
| 06:00.34 | Getty | just to round up the picture for you, i dont do this out of randomness |
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| 06:02.52 | nevyn | oh. |
| 06:03.03 | Getty | sorry ;) |
| 06:03.04 | nevyn | the easier solution is to just disable acceleration in nouveau |
| 06:03.11 | Getty | ah???? |
| 06:03.16 | Getty | rolls eyes |
| 06:03.17 | Getty | 8-) |
| 06:03.28 | Getty | ok good, wait, but then lets fix the mess first |
| 06:03.33 | Getty | how i can back to nouveau now? |
| 06:03.51 | Getty | should be just reconfiguring the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, or? |
| 06:04.12 | nevyn | :/etc/modprobe.d$ cat nouveau.conf |
| 06:04.12 | nevyn | options nouveau noaccel=1 |
| 06:04.47 | nevyn | so I had some nasty font corruption issues with the accelerated DDX |
| 06:04.53 | Getty | ok |
| 06:04.58 | Getty | no problem, understandable solution |
| 06:05.03 | Getty | but now, how i get back to the nouveau drivers? |
| 06:05.31 | nevyn | well given your >< this close to having nvidia working.. I'd just finish making it go |
| 06:05.37 | nevyn | it will be faster than nouveau |
| 06:05.44 | Getty | haha |
| 06:05.45 | Getty | ok ;) |
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| 06:06.00 | Getty | but it hurts to say it? ;-) |
| 06:06.14 | nsadmin | and you'd have a good chance to getting 3d accel going |
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| 06:06.21 | Getty | ok so far i just added this xorg.conf.d directory and added this file there |
| 06:06.23 | nevyn | well it'd just work |
| 06:06.28 | nevyn | so reboot |
| 06:06.31 | Getty | ok bbl |
| 06:06.33 | nevyn | pj./ |
| 06:06.34 | nevyn | wait |
| 06:06.37 | Getty | yeah? |
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| 06:06.58 | nevyn | is there an explicit blacklist requirement for nouveau... |
| 06:06.59 | nevyn | hrm |
| 06:07.08 | Getty | yeah take your time :) |
| 06:07.10 | jagginess | nevyn < urt |
| 06:07.19 | nevyn | urt? |
| 06:07.26 | jagginess | urbanterror |
| 06:07.28 | nsadmin | gurt? |
| 06:07.43 | Getty | oh yeah good think |
| 06:07.44 | Getty | could play that |
| 06:07.45 | Getty | hehe |
| 06:08.00 | jagginess | bang bang |
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| 06:08.09 | nevyn | and steam comming. |
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| 06:08.40 | nevyn | like I knows right. I'm mostly being tounge in cheek about stepans recent stuff re fsf and debian |
| 06:08.48 | Getty | nevyn: so reboot? ;) |
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| 06:09.06 | nevyn | do an lsmod |grep nouveau for me |
| 06:09.07 | Getty | wait, i should delete all Xorg.*.log ;) |
| 06:09.19 | nevyn | meh. |
| 06:10.00 | jagginess | saw the debconf uefi issue discussion video and hates m$ with his soul |
| 06:10.19 | jagginess | m$ are such bastards |
| 06:10.29 | Getty | or move them away |
| 06:10.53 | jagginess | there ought to be open hardware uefi.. |
| 06:11.04 | jagginess | f m$ and they're forced oem contracts.. |
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| 06:13.29 | Getty | nevyn++ |
| 06:13.31 | Getty | on nvidia now, all fine, all cool |
| 06:13.33 | Getty | ok wait, no checking if i still got the flickering, but i doubt |
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| 06:14.13 | nevyn | jagginess: so I hate how uefi ended up working. |
| 06:14.39 | nsadmin | Getty, run glxgears and see what your framerate is |
| 06:14.48 | nevyn | glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 06:15.06 | nevyn | !glxgears |
| 06:15.06 | dpkg | i guess glxgears is an OpenGL demo, or <bogomips> for graphics cards. It is not a benchmark. In fact, in recent versions you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark option in order to report FPS information. Provided by the mesa-utils package. |
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| 06:15.29 | Getty | ... |
| 06:15.45 | Getty | i actually dont care that much ;) |
| 06:15.58 | nsadmin | but it all works now, right? |
| 06:16.18 | Getty | i just want that it works, and its the first time after 5-6 years, where i again try to replace my windows with linux, or at least my mobile workstation |
| 06:16.20 | Getty | yes! |
| 06:16.24 | Getty | no flickering |
| 06:16.28 | Getty | and it definitly feels much faster |
| 06:16.38 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 06:16.42 | Getty | xchat was like 1ms opening all windows (i have 50< chans) |
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| 06:22.00 | Getty | what about cleartype clone? i remember there was something 1-2 stables ago to get a cleartype like concept inside X with some tricks and unofficial sources |
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| 06:22.31 | Getty | did something of this went official now? i really get sick of this non-cleartype ;) yeah, i'm not proud to say it ;) |
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| 06:38.34 | Maccer | I don't understand, how do you get the framebuffer to load in debian squeeze? Is it just not compiled with the linux kernel or...? |
| 06:39.31 | \Jan | go to one of the ttys and try to use something like elinks with framebuffer |
| 06:39.32 | \Jan | ┐('～`；)┌ |
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| 06:53.48 | kr4sh | how do i enable overscan? linux only takes up like 85% of the screen? it does it in windows also i have to use ati utility and enable overscan |
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| 06:54.47 | boudiccas | kr4sh: and what is 'overscan'? |
| 06:55.09 | kr4sh | it like expands the display |
| 06:55.15 | kr4sh | i dont know what it is honestly |
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| 06:56.50 | kr4sh | i guess no idea huh |
| 06:58.38 | boudiccas | kr4sh: sounds like a hardware thing, in which case you'd be better off asking in ##hardware. i think thats the right channel for it |
| 06:59.06 | kr4sh | alright thanks |
| 07:01.27 | gnarface | its an X thing really i think |
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| 07:12.29 | konadr_ | morning all, what are the default perms on /etc/shadow (long story)? |
| 07:13.42 | \Jan | konadr_: -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1440 Jul 16 17:23 /etc/shadow |
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| 07:14.17 | konadr_ | thanks \Jan :)!! |
| 07:14.18 | kr4sh | i can't figure out the fullscrene thing |
| 07:14.19 | \Jan | so, 640 |
| 07:14.29 | \Jan | welcome |
| 07:14.51 | kr4sh | hi i just installed ubuntu 12.04 and it doesn't take my full screen there is a border around it anyone know how to fix? |
| 07:14.59 | \Jan | kr4sh: I've never heard of overscan, have you tried messing with xrandr? |
| 07:15.03 | kr4sh | what is that |
| 07:15.06 | kr4sh | i'm a complete noob |
| 07:15.27 | \Jan | or well whatever gnome's GUI frontend for changing the resolution is |
| 07:15.36 | \Jan | also, try ##ubuntu |
| 07:15.39 | kr4sh | i tried to change resolution |
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| 07:16.59 | boudiccas | kr4sh: as you're using ubuntu you'd be better off asking in #ubuntu as they're the only people who can support you. we cant as you're not running debian |
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| 07:19.04 | sbarcteam | hi. |
| 07:19.41 | pparadis | hi |
| 07:19.52 | sbarcteam | I have tried fedora in vm, and found it has a nice thing: binary update diffs. that is they get a diff of binary rpms (I don't know diff against what), but it does make the downloads smaller. |
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| 07:20.01 | sbarcteam | Is there something like this in debian space ? |
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| 07:21.22 | pparadis | debian uses diffs for package lists, but i'm unaware of any diffing for packages (debs). you may wish to investigate apt-cacher-ng and similar for saving bandwidth on debian downloads among multiple machines, but again, i'm not aware of any such thing for a single machine. |
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| 07:21.52 | sbarcteam | pparadis: I am not talking about saving on per network scale, but per machine scale. |
| 07:22.01 | pparadis | right, see the last part of my statement. |
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| 07:22.15 | sbarcteam | yep. apt-cacher-ng/apt-proxy are not as good. |
| 07:22.36 | pparadis | well, there isn't any binary diffing on a per-deb basis. |
| 07:23.49 | pparadis | i'm trying to figure out how that would make sense for diffing on binaries that are installed, because debs are compressed. |
| 07:24.54 | sbarcteam | pparadis: I think of having a wrapper. binary diff is something we people have :) |
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| 07:25.11 | sbarcteam | so we can prepare diffs on per download basis. |
| 07:25.28 | pparadis | to get something like that to work, you'd have to compare the file contents of a deb on the remote end with files already installed on the client side, and transfer diffs based on that. |
| 07:26.04 | pparadis | which would mean unpacking it (or having an uncompressed version already in existence) on the remote end, and having a way to talk to the remote end about that. |
| 07:26.17 | sbarcteam | pparadis: non necessarily. |
| 07:26.52 | pparadis | yes, that would be necessary. i believe you are referring to this in fedora --> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Presto |
| 07:27.05 | pparadis | what you're describing is deltarpms. |
| 07:27.24 | sbarcteam | we could work with binary package on the server side without comparing. |
| 07:27.39 | sbarcteam | I am talking about REAL binary diff, not package list based, but package based. |
| 07:27.46 | pparadis | it would require debian repositories to support something akin to the presto-enabled rpm repositories fedora is testing/using. |
| 07:28.01 | sbarcteam | yes, it's a server side solution. |
| 07:28.09 | sbarcteam | transparent to old clients. |
| 07:28.11 | boudiccas | sounds unnecassirly complicated! |
| 07:28.17 | sbarcteam | but peachy :) |
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| 07:28.58 | pparadis | okay, sure, i get what you mean about a binary diff between rpms bit, essentially comparing a remote rpm to a local rpm that exists in the rpm cache from a package being installed, but yeah it would require additional overhead and repo support for debian mirrors. |
| 07:29.16 | sbarcteam | yep. |
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| 07:29.33 | pparadis | and really, the most efficient way to do it would be the way i first described, although that would be the option with more overhead and complications on the remote mirror side. |
| 07:29.42 | oznt | hi everyone what does "debuild -S -sa" mean? I could not find "-sa" option in the man page of debuild |
| 07:29.44 | sbarcteam | It is also possible to make patch.XtoY.deb |
| 07:29.54 | sbarcteam | as you suggested originally. |
| 07:30.07 | pparadis | sbarcteam: so hey, if you want to start a project to experiment with doing stuff like this for debian, it would be a neat project. |
| 07:30.31 | sbarcteam | pparadis: need to chat on that first :) |
| 07:30.41 | sbarcteam | to see how much it is of an interest. |
| 07:30.41 | pparadis | no idea how the community as a whole would see it, but if anything you could work on it for people who did want to use it, perhaps pulling from "standard" upstream mirrors to build your own "fancy" mirrors. |
| 07:31.00 | sbarcteam | yep |
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| 07:31.56 | pparadis | i could see it being useful, but as with anything that deals with core stuff like repositories, there would be challenges and it would be a labor of love unless you could get someone to fund it :) |
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| 07:32.18 | sbarcteam | need to estimate how much storage overhead it would make, and I need current numbers on how much overhead it is to prepare (package X arch X release ) |
| 07:32.28 | pparadis | nod |
| 07:32.59 | sbarcteam | is there a place I can learn about how much free storage does core deb mirror utilize now ? |
| 07:33.12 | sbarcteam | core I mean the origin. |
| 07:33.14 | pparadis | http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 07:33.25 | pparadis | http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 07:33.30 | sbarcteam | coolz :) |
| 07:33.31 | sbarcteam | thanks. |
| 07:33.34 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 07:33.45 | pparadis | looks like 585 GB |
| 07:34.00 | pparadis | (at minimum, will grow, is growing, etc) |
| 07:34.20 | sbarcteam | yep, question is how much it has free now. |
| 07:34.43 | sbarcteam | (I'm not willing to force the project to buy more storage to support that feature. |
| 07:34.49 | sbarcteam | if you know what I mean) |
| 07:35.16 | pparadis | that will vary wildly among the various mirror providers. you're just gonna have to develop it on your end first (or with friends) and go from there with those resources, then let others know how much space you're ending up using. |
| 07:35.17 | sbarcteam | any main mirror admins around ? |
| 07:35.33 | sbarcteam | oh, I see. |
| 07:35.37 | sbarcteam | good point. |
| 07:35.44 | sbarcteam | I'll choose 1 arch, 1 release. |
| 07:35.52 | pparadis | seems like the way to start, yep. |
| 07:36.04 | sbarcteam | x86_64 or i?86 ? |
| 07:36.14 | sbarcteam | (I'm more inclined for the 1st) |
| 07:36.23 | jelly-home | !mirror size |
| 07:36.23 | dpkg | To see the size of the Debian archive for each architecture, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size . To make your own mirror, ask me about <mirrors>. |
| 07:36.28 | pparadis | amd64 is going to be more commonly used these days. |
| 07:36.40 | sbarcteam | jelly-home: hey there, thanks man, we're past that point. |
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| 07:36.55 | pparadis | be careful to note that amd64 is the 64-bit arch for both standard AMD and Intel machines. ia64 is itanium. |
| 07:37.21 | sbarcteam | pparadis: oh, itanium :) I have used hp workstation with itanium once. |
| 07:37.23 | sbarcteam | :) |
| 07:37.32 | pparadis | hehe, "itanic" |
| 07:37.43 | sbarcteam | haha good one! |
| 07:38.21 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: be aware that a set of binary packages for an architecture consists of "all" + your arch. Thus having two arch'es mirror doesn't double the required size |
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| 07:41.43 | sbarcteam | jelly-home: you mean it multiplies it by ~ (N+1)/N of archs needed to support ? |
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| 07:42.33 | sbarcteam | and each new arch brings it closer to O(1) :) |
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| 07:45.01 | sbarcteam | hm.... how many a version of the same package do we usually have kept in the repo (for 1 arch!)? |
| 07:45.12 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: not really, bad maths! |
| 07:45.27 | sbarcteam | why ? |
| 07:45.59 | jelly-home | constant + N is O(n) |
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| 07:46.48 | jelly-home | letting alone the fact usage of O() for size instead of complexity |
| 07:47.23 | sbarcteam | jelly-home: the mistake was in the original (1+N)/N, but based THAT was true, I were right :) |
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| 07:47.45 | sbarcteam | I didn't need to divide by N. |
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| 07:49.57 | sbarcteam | now, let's think correctly. the real model is more complex: every "software package" CAN have: 1. arch dependend binaries/libs, 2. arch independent scripts/conf, 3. arch independent other files (docs, images/htmls, whatever) |
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| 07:51.41 | sbarcteam | as of now, I understand the conf scripts are inside the binary package. |
| 07:51.43 | sbarcteam | hmm... |
| 07:51.59 | boudiccas | so this is the new "wizard idea" then? whoopee! NOT |
| 07:52.29 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: ... are u talking to me ? |
| 07:52.56 | boudiccas | i was talking english at you, yes |
| 07:53.15 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: you were typing english, at me. ok. |
| 07:53.31 | sbarcteam | the general idea is "what can we do to make apt better" ? |
| 07:53.54 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: do you oppose to chat about this ? |
| 07:54.10 | boudiccas | i'm quite happy with it as it is thank you. it sounds as if you're just changing things for the sake of changing them! |
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| 07:55.41 | sbarcteam | are you accusing me of YAGNIfying apt ? |
| 07:56.04 | boudiccas | as i dont know what 'yagnifying' means i cant answer |
| 07:56.28 | sbarcteam | (YAGNI = you ain't gonna need it, unnecessary work/feature) |
| 07:57.02 | boudiccas | i think you're introducing an unnecessary level of complications which aren't really needed |
| 07:57.33 | boudiccas | !snss |
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| 07:57.50 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: make it faster and more parallelizing. |
| 07:58.04 | sbarcteam | the original thought is to speed up the upgrade, reduce download size. |
| 07:59.02 | sbarcteam | jelly-home: this is yet another direction. |
| 07:59.17 | sbarcteam | isn't apt already capable of downloading several .debs in parallel ?! |
| 07:59.24 | jelly-home | not from the same source |
| 08:00.03 | sbarcteam | this sounds like an easy thing to fix. (SOUNDS) |
| 08:00.59 | sbarcteam | but usually the b/w limit sits on server side: the server is limiting either total per client or per connection. |
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| 08:01.25 | boudiccas | sounds like an outbreak of 'Shiny New Shit Syndrome!' |
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| 08:01.59 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: what are you risking by letting me be ? |
| 08:02.03 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: bw limit isn't an issue; protocol and design induced latencies are. Just run apt-get update, see how long it takes and how much total data is transfers |
| 08:02.24 | sbarcteam | jelly-home: right, it is annoying. |
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| 08:03.08 | boudiccas | sbarcteam: you will have to learn to deal with dissent, not every one will like or agree with your project. you need to convince people of the benefits of it to win them round |
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| 08:03.35 | jelly-home | sbarcteam: also, dpkg's (reading package database... |
| 08:04.13 | sbarcteam | yes.... :( |
| 08:05.06 | sbarcteam | but this is on the machine already, meaning, this is not spending download time. |
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| 08:05.25 | sbarcteam | and there's the fact you cannot install 2 packages at once in parallel :) |
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| 08:05.36 | sbarcteam | annoying indeed. |
| 08:05.54 | sbarcteam | (a locking mechanism should be used upon db transation changes) |
| 08:06.20 | boudiccas | sbarcteam: how will it benefit me? |
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| 08:09.05 | boudiccas | the answer is .......... speed up the upgrade, reduce download size |
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| 08:10.00 | pparadis | features and benefits! yay! |
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| 08:14.18 | scwizard | wow a lot of popular packages fail lintian: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/empty-binary-package.html |
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| 08:16.56 | stephan48 | how was the name of the debian package providing the cfgfile.d functionality for config files? |
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| 08:31.35 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: this is how: if you oppose everything that does Neither benefit Nor hurt you, you will be in livelock, because the world, incl. this channel is full of things not benefitting you. just ignore me. |
| 08:31.36 | _ramok | hi |
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| 08:31.45 | _ramok | how can i see how much tcp connections my machine supports? |
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| 08:33.00 | boudiccas | sbarcteam: if you'd read the scribblings thati'd written you'd have seen that i was gradually getting interested, to the extent that i asked you how it would benefit me, and then answered from what you had said |
| 08:34.50 | pparadis | _ramok: that's a pretty general question. if you're just talking about raw connections, this sort of info will be of interest to you --> http://ben.goodacre.name/tech/Increase_simultaneous/concurrent_TCP_connections_%28Linux%29 |
| 08:35.10 | pparadis | _ramok: you may wish to provide more information on what you're actually trying to do, what version of debian you're running, etc. |
| 08:35.40 | pparadis | you should also read up on what the entries under /proc mean and how they work. |
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| 08:36.56 | _ramok | pparadis: i'm running a virtual machine created with libvirts virt-manager (qemu), and i have the problem, that my machien is sometimes not reachable. i guess it's the amount of TCP Connections that blocks the machine.... i use on all system debian 6.0.3 |
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| 08:37.44 | boudiccas | ramok: 6.0.3? any reason why you have not upgraded? |
| 08:38.23 | pparadis | a VM being unreachable could be due to many things. what does "unreachable" mean? does it mean you can't reach a specific service? does it mean you can't reach it via the network at all? have you considered the host side? what services does the VM provide? more information is needed for people to maybe be able to help. |
| 08:38.43 | pparadis | have you considered the router side? the list goes on and on. more info. |
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| 08:42.19 | _ramok | pparadis: sometimes my webserver on this vm is not availaben, and the VM via ssh too. i'm running an apache webserver on it... that's the only service i provide with this VM. the host side seems okay, htop is not showing any peaks, the VM neither do. |
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| 08:47.18 | BlitzHere | Hi, I'm installing debian right now using the netinst cd. In the.software selection screen, can you manually pick the apps that you want? |
| 08:47.31 | pparadis | _ramok: what volume of traffic are you seeing? is it unreachable inside your network, or from outside? is the host reachable when this happens? really, a lot more information is needed here. |
| 08:47.43 | pparadis | !tell _ramok about smart questions |
| 08:47.45 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: no |
| 08:48.33 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: Hmm, anyway to pick packages manually at all? |
| 08:48.48 | bardzusny | BlitzHere: you install them later |
| 08:49.10 | BlitzHere | Ok, thanks! |
| 08:49.29 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: you can untick all the options which will give you a bare bones installation from which you can install /exactly/ what you want and nowt else |
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| 08:51.59 | BlitzHere | Oh, one more thing. Is the graphical installer exactly the same as the regular installer with some pointless eye candy, or are there any other differences? |
| 08:52.03 | _ramok | pparadis: the problem is, that i'm not really aware of what information are needed.... the network is just not reachable from outside... not per url neither per ssh |
| 08:52.40 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: i prefer the gui, it seems more intuitive i think |
| 08:54.02 | pparadis | _ramok: i would advise trying to establish whether the entire network is unreachable, or if it's just the host, or just the VM, or just a service, etc before you go further. |
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| 08:54.33 | _ramok | only this VM, other vms are stlil reachable via ssh |
| 08:54.42 | _ramok | the vm and the website on that vm are not reachable |
| 08:54.49 | pparadis | is it always the same VM? |
| 08:55.01 | pparadis | and the others are always reachable at the same time? |
| 08:55.07 | pparadis | in other words, have you actually verified that? |
| 08:55.19 | BlitzHere | boudiccas, hmm, okay. Am using it right now. Reason I asked is that the screens seem to be the same and I can do everything with the keyboard just like in the text installer. Was just wondering if there were any other differences... |
| 08:55.51 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: i've never used the text installer, i laways prefer the gui |
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| 08:57.04 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: Things are smooth with the mouse - except for the manual partitioning screen... |
| 08:57.32 | boudiccas | yes, that does require a bit of study and thought |
| 08:57.33 | pparadis | _ramok: what sort of connection is the host sitting on? what sort of router is being used? what kind of host is this? |
| 08:58.50 | pparadis | _ramok: because i don't have nearly enough information here, i'll take a stab in the dark and note that i have seen issues with ubee cable routers in the past related to arp management being broken and resulting in seemingly round-robin unavailability of hosts and VMs. |
| 08:59.03 | pparadis | however, this is sounding increasingly like you'd probably be better off starting in ##networking |
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| 09:02.58 | oops | Is it possible to capture packets using Wireshark and replay those packets? |
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| 09:03.47 | JeffJohnson | howdy |
| 09:04.31 | JeffJohnson | can I generally prevent that a programs init script is executed during package installation? I'm creating in a chroot a debian system and the installation of a few packages fails because the service cant be started in the chroot |
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| 09:04.58 | pparadis | oops: you might be interested in tcpreplay |
| 09:05.31 | oops | pparadis: ok, right now the only tool I have is wireshark. I was wondering if I can capture a packet and export it in pure raw format. |
| 09:05.36 | pparadis | oops: it works with capture files in pcap format. |
| 09:05.43 | oops | then I can use netcat to replay the traps |
| 09:05.47 | pparadis | pcap is the standard for packet captures. |
| 09:05.53 | pparadis | for things like tcpdump, wireshark, etc. |
| 09:06.06 | oops | also, I am usng UDP protocol, since i am trying to capture snmp traps |
| 09:06.22 | pparadis | you're probably going to be better off asking in #wireshark |
| 09:06.30 | oops | great. thank you. |
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| 09:06.33 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 09:06.55 | jelly | dpkg, tell JeffJohnson about policy-rc.d |
| 09:07.17 | JeffJohnson | do it dpkg! |
| 09:09.12 | jelly | JeffJohnson: you should have gotten a private message from the bot |
| 09:09.20 | jelly | different window/tab? |
| 09:09.46 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: I have read them, but missed what you have written in the last message. now, when you put it like that, I can re-phrase: the benefit of this would be: for user - faster upgrades, less to download. on server side: less to store. |
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| 09:10.34 | boudiccas | sbarcteam: and presuambly faster updates too? |
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| 09:11.43 | sbarcteam | boudiccas: not "presumabely", if the project goal will be set "faster" update, it will force to touch dpkg, and the way the packages are fetched/processed locally too... (cumbersome work) |
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| 09:12.37 | sbarcteam | (referring to what jelly mentioned on slowdown in sequential fetching and inefficient deployment process on dpkg side) |
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| 09:20.03 | JeffJohnson | jelly: yes:) |
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| 09:28.23 | themill | dpkg: tell sbarcteam about debdelta |
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| 09:37.36 | pparadis | themill: i had absolutely no idea that existed. |
| 09:43.22 | JasonWoof | how do I start gparted? when I run as root it says it can't connect to X, when I run as normal user, I get a graphical dialog saying to run as root |
| 09:43.42 | JasonWoof | maybe I need a reboot, I have done some upgrades |
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| 09:44.41 | pparadis | JasonWoof: what version of debian and what desktop environment are you running? |
| 09:44.47 | themill | dpkg: tell JasonWoof about root x |
| 09:44.47 | tremon | JasonWoof: from memory, you should either run xhost +root inside X or use gksu (or similar) |
| 09:44.59 | tremon | (or ask dpkg of course) |
| 09:44.59 | pparadis | nod, similar stuff for kde, etc. |
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| 09:45.24 | JasonWoof | > xhost +root >>> xhost: bad hostname "root" |
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| 09:45.48 | JasonWoof | debian unstable, spectrwm (started with "startx" from the console) |
| 09:45.56 | tremon | that's why it was from memory... don't use it enough to remember the exact syntax |
| 09:46.10 | themill | xhost is so 1990s. |
| 09:47.27 | JasonWoof | I'll try dpkg's advice, and install sux |
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| 09:48.28 | JasonWoof | nope, that didn't help |
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| 09:49.07 | pparadis | jsec: what didn't help? which bit? |
| 09:49.16 | pparadis | grr, JasonWoof ^ |
| 09:49.26 | JasonWoof | sux |
| 09:49.32 | JasonWoof | got same error as regular su |
| 09:49.56 | pparadis | did you try gksu? |
| 09:50.08 | JasonWoof | I might have updated some packages that I should have rebooted after. |
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| 09:51.07 | JasonWoof | pparadis: oh, didn't know about that one. |
| 09:51.28 | JasonWoof | I should reboot before I take more time here. |
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| 09:52.11 | JasonWoof | and, now aptitude has an xorg-server upgrade |
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| 09:58.25 | JasonWoof | yay, I got there with xauth generate and xauth add |
| 10:00.51 | scwizard | I wonder if anyone's here... |
| 10:01.05 | scwizard | anyways, I'm making a package that's a set of apache config files |
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| 10:01.54 | scwizard | right now I have it as: Depends: apache2.2-common, apache2.2-bin |
| 10:01.59 | scwizard | Replaces: apache2.2-common |
| 10:03.50 | scwizard | so when I install the package, it will replace apache's config files with the custom ones, if apache's config hasn't been modified |
| 10:04.13 | scwizard | if it has been modified, it will give the config file prompt |
| 10:04.38 | scwizard | however I have a problem when I purge my package, the apache config file will be deleted, but the old one won't be restored |
| 10:04.47 | scwizard | what's a sane way to restore the old config upon purging? |
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| 10:06.34 | tremon | there is no sane way, as you have replaced the old package. All you can do is backup the files in your preinst and tell the user where you've put the backup |
| 10:06.42 | tremon | but do ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 10:17.48 | scwizard | tremon: #debian-mentors says invite only |
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| 10:18.32 | BlitzHere | What's debian-mentors. Sounds interesting |
| 10:18.44 | quebre | sounds like religion :p |
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| 10:22.39 | scwizard | ahh ok |
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| 10:24.22 | scwizard | I'm trying to make a package of apache configuration files |
| 10:24.26 | scwizard | bleh wrong channel |
| 10:26.06 | BlitzHere | So, I did a netinstall of debian with none of the software options selected. Now I'm apt-getting lxde-common. Would I boot into X when I restart? |
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| 10:32.35 | Led_Zeppelin | hi |
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| 10:32.45 | tgs3_ | hi |
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| 10:33.12 | tgs3_ | how to move my /boot and MBR from sda+sda1 into sdb+sdb1 that is an USB pendrive? |
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| 10:34.13 | tgs3_ | anyone? |
| 10:34.14 | boudiccas | tgs3_: what version of debian? |
| 10:34.20 | tgs3_ | boudiccas: stable |
| 10:35.17 | tgs3_ | boudiccas: for security I want MBR and boot to be on read only usb key rather then on hard drive (machine is shard with virusosoft) |
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| 10:36.12 | tgs3_ | just dd sda into sdb for size of sdb1 +1 sector (and then fix partition table on sdb by deleting partitions other then 1) ? boudiccas ? |
| 10:38.29 | tgs3_ | btw why debian is incompatible with own self on creating paritions!? installer creates partition table which cfdisk fails to read - bad primary .. extends beyond cylinder |
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| 10:49.29 | shaullx | i'm getting this error while using apt-get or aptitude "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2: No such file or directory)" |
| 10:49.31 | shaullx | i removed the lock file |
| 10:49.34 | shaullx | what should i do? |
| 10:49.43 | kwork | run apt-get with root |
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| 10:49.49 | shaullx | i am logged in as root.. |
| 10:49.52 | shaullx | i'm not that dumb |
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| 10:50.22 | ksuhku | have you tried # touch /var/lib/dpkg/lock ? |
| 10:50.25 | kwork | is the directory there? i think apt should create that file |
| 10:50.29 | xaionaro | Is "/var/lib/dpkg" exists? |
| 10:50.30 | kwork | otherwise indeed try touch |
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| 10:50.34 | excalibr | Can someone explain why my iptables rule failed to log the captured packet? |
| 10:50.37 | excalibr | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MC7Z4Jrm |
| 10:50.38 | shaullx | i might have removed the directory |
| 10:50.43 | shaullx | in that case, what to do? |
| 10:50.45 | pparadis | ... |
| 10:50.46 | xaionaro | mkdir |
| 10:50.47 | kwork | recreate it :P |
| 10:50.50 | xaionaro | -p |
| 10:50.52 | tgs3_ | shaullx: var mounted? |
| 10:50.52 | pparadis | why would that have been removed? |
| 10:50.55 | shaullx | mkdir /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 10:51.00 | xaionaro | shaullx: try it |
| 10:51.01 | pparadis | wait a minute |
| 10:51.08 | xaionaro | if you've removed it |
| 10:51.20 | shaullx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.24 | shaullx | now that :o |
| 10:51.24 | pparadis | don't just randomly try to create things that should already be there. first figure out what the heck is going on that is causing it not to be there. |
| 10:51.38 | pparadis | what does "df -h ; df -i" say? |
| 10:51.40 | ksuhku | he said he deleted it |
| 10:51.44 | kwork | indeed |
| 10:51.45 | tgs3_ | < shaullx> i'm not that dumb /var/lib/dpkg < shaullx> i might have removed the directory <-- lol. |
| 10:51.50 | boudiccas | pparadis: he's using root as his user! |
| 10:51.51 | pparadis | wow |
| 10:51.53 | xaionaro | shaullx: apt-get update? |
| 10:51.54 | kwork | tgs3_: (Y) |
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| 10:52.16 | shaullx | http://pastebin.com/ej7PzkKd |
| 10:52.33 | shaullx | <xaionaro>, that gave me that last error |
| 10:53.02 | ksuhku | dude, why did you delete it? |
| 10:53.07 | pparadis | shaullx: what exactly did you do to get to this position? |
| 10:53.07 | xaionaro | shaullx: status - is a good file :( |
| 10:53.09 | shaullx | <tgs3_>, ok so i'm that dumb >.< |
| 10:53.19 | xaionaro | There's information about installed software |
| 10:53.37 | shaullx | so what should i do now? |
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| 10:53.49 | pparadis | shaullx: what exactly did you do to get to this position? |
| 10:54.07 | shaullx | rm -r /var/lib/dpkg |
| 10:54.16 | shaullx | :< |
| 10:54.18 | xaionaro | shaullx: I recommend you to reinstall "dpkg" with "dpkg -i" and to reinstall all the packages |
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| 10:55.54 | shaullx | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 10:55.55 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, shaullx |
| 10:55.59 | xaionaro | if "dpkg -i" doesn't work, you can try to "touch" all required files.. However you should reinstall all install packages to recreate metadata about them |
| 10:56.17 | xaionaro | all installed* |
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| 10:57.59 | shaullx | can i just recreate an empty status file |
| 10:58.02 | shaullx | and reinstall everything? |
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| 10:58.22 | xaionaro | You could try |
| 10:58.23 | xaionaro | It may help |
| 10:58.42 | ksuhku | if it's a newish install perhaps a full reinstall would be the easier way |
| 10:58.44 | xaionaro | Also you can get the list of you current world from '/usr/share/doc' |
| 10:58.59 | xaionaro | of your* |
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| 10:59.24 | shaullx | it is a new install |
| 10:59.27 | xaionaro | ls /usr/share/doc | awk '{print $0" install"}' | dpkg --get-selection |
| 10:59.33 | shaullx | though it's a dedicated server i rather not do a reinstall just yet |
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| 10:59.50 | drigollier | hi all ! |
| 11:00.02 | \Jan | hi one |
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| 11:00.25 | boudiccas | shaullx: ask your server providor for a restore from backup. that may get you back to a good point |
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| 11:00.43 | shaullx | they just installed it |
| 11:00.45 | shaullx | it's brand new |
| 11:00.47 | shaullx | x.x |
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| 11:02.49 | ksuhku | xaionaro, shoudln't that be _set_ selection? |
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| 11:03.57 | boudiccas | shaullx: and you've cocked it up already? congratulations, pillock of the day! :) |
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| 11:04.12 | shaullx | x.x |
| 11:04.20 | shaullx | so there's nothing to do besides a reinstall? |
| 11:04.31 | boudiccas | thats the easiest method |
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| 11:14.47 | Mimiko | hello. How to compile with static libs, so in final under $prefix/lib will be other libs needed to run a program ? |
| 11:15.56 | BlitzHere | Hi, so I installed LXDE manually after a minimal net install. What is the procedure to start the X window system |
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| 11:20.08 | pparadis | BlitzHere: you probably want to install a display manager to allow graphical login, such as xdm |
| 11:20.37 | ksuhku | BlitzHere, if not, try startx |
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| 11:21.52 | pparadis | BlitzHere: if startx doesn't work (it may not), try startlxde, and make sure you're not running as root first (log in as a normal user) |
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| 11:24.04 | BlitzHere | Tried startx. It said command not found. So, I searched for lxdm. It wasn't available in the repository. I just installed xdm |
| 11:24.27 | BlitzHere | Startx still says command not found |
| 11:24.38 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: is x installed? |
| 11:24.41 | pparadis | BlitzHere: did you note the other stuff i just said? |
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| 11:25.08 | BlitzHere | pparadis: I'm logged in as a normal user |
| 11:25.25 | pparadis | right, so try startlxde |
| 11:25.38 | BlitzHere | startlxde doesn't do anything |
| 11:25.50 | BlitzHere | No error message either |
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| 11:25.52 | pparadis | try rebooting and you should be able to log in via xdm |
| 11:26.13 | BlitzHere | Hmm, okay... |
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| 11:27.09 | pparadis | BlitzHere: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian |
| 11:27.15 | pparadis | BlitzHere: see the section in that link on xdm |
| 11:27.49 | pparadis | BlitzHere: in short you, will need to create the file .xession in your user's home directory with the following contents: |
| 11:27.53 | pparadis | #!/bin/sh |
| 11:27.55 | pparadis | exec startlxde |
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| 11:28.21 | ksuhku | xserver doesn't seem to be a dependency of lxde-common |
| 11:28.34 | pparadis | you should be able to log in via xdm at that point. if you're already staring at xdm and it isn't working, use ctrl + alt + f2 to get back to a TTY, log in, create the xsession file, and you should be good to go. |
| 11:28.52 | pparadis | ksuhku: there's really no way he's installing lxde and xdm without it dragging in X. |
| 11:30.06 | pparadis | BlitzHere: please note that the file you need to create is ".xsession" (i made a typo earlier) |
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| 11:30.39 | pparadis | from the same wiki page i linked earlier, if you want to use startx: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 11:33.08 | BlitzHere | pparadis: Thanks. I already did that and chose startlxde. Still says "command not found". Just uninstalled xdm. Switching to gdm |
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| 11:37.31 | BlitzHere | pparadis: What I did was to use the netinst cd to do a minimal install. I didn't choose any of the optional software. Then I booted into command line and then I installed lxde-common |
| 11:37.54 | BlitzHere | Did I miss any packages? |
| 11:38.35 | pparadis | i would have just done "apt-get install lxde" to pull in the core components, considering that environment isn't a lot of stuff to begin with. |
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| 11:40.43 | pparadis | BlitzHere: alternately, if your aim is to stay as minimal as (reasonably) possible, you might consider adapting something like this, replacing the xfce core stuff with lxde core stuff --> http://paste.debian.net/179752/ |
| 11:40.51 | BlitzHere | Hmm, thanks. I suppose I could have let the installer take care of everything but then, This is the fun part of linux :D |
| 11:42.48 | BlitzHere | pparadis: Thanks! |
| 11:42.54 | pparadis | sure thing :) |
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| 11:44.45 | BlitzHere | I will try that out. I'm just experimenting now though. I'm quite noobish still. I did my very first install of linux (lubuntu) just day before yesterday |
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| 11:47.43 | BlitzHere | I tried xfce with xubuntu but it was too heavy for my P4 1.6Ghz... |
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| 11:51.18 | tgs3_ | if my debian sleeps (mem) with no reason, how to debug it? |
| 11:53.08 | cromag | i have an LSI 1078 sas controller, it's not found by squeeze dvd no. 1 - Any ideas on how to get that to work or at least to be known ? |
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| 11:54.34 | pparadis | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:55.20 | pparadis | cromag: also --> http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 11:56.09 | cromag | pparadis: oh i will give that a go - thanks |
| 11:56.14 | pparadis | sure thing |
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| 11:57.29 | Motafoca | guys, debian 6 needs a 686 to boot? i have a x86 processor that i think is only 586 |
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| 11:58.29 | BlitzHere | pparadis: IT LIVES!! thanks! Now to nuke everything and try xfce :) |
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| 11:59.02 | lluis | i think this is spam: http://wiki.debian.org/Victoria%20Secret%20Fashion%20Show%20-%20coupon%20codes%20for%20victoria%20secret%20online%20-%20One%20Click%20Away%2083 |
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| 11:59.59 | pparadis | Motafoca: it will work ona 586. |
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| 12:00.37 | Motafoca | the boot gets stuck at the beginning after the kernel is loaded, i tried disabling acpi, apic, silent and the vga |
| 12:00.40 | pparadis | BlitzHere: good deal :) |
| 12:00.49 | Motafoca | pparadis, any ideas what else i can disable? |
| 12:01.11 | pparadis | Motafoca: actually, i should ask, what type of 586 processor is that? some were actually 486 cores. |
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| 12:01.25 | Motafoca | one sec, let me boot the device |
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| 12:02.15 | pparadis | Motafoca: if it's an AMD Am5x86 chip, it's actually a fast 486. |
| 12:02.26 | Motafoca | its a vortex a9120 at 800mhz |
| 12:02.30 | Motafoca | http://www.vortex86.com/index2.html |
| 12:02.51 | shaullx | i can't copy past from my PC to the remote VNC, i'm using tightvnc server, it seems it does not include the vncconfig tool needed to enable remote clipboard, what should i do? |
| 12:02.58 | Motafoca | pparadis, maybe it is a fast 486 |
| 12:03.09 | Motafoca | pparadis, is there a 486 debian 6 ? |
| 12:03.29 | pparadis | debian doesn't play nice on 486 anymore. |
| 12:03.42 | Motafoca | :/ |
| 12:03.43 | colun | Hello, Do you know a similar software (webapp) of ejbca but in python or perl or php ? |
| 12:03.46 | pparadis | you might find stuff like this helpful --> http://www.kelvinism.com/howtos/installing-debian-50-vortex86dx/ |
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| 12:04.53 | Motafoca | pparadis, thanks alot |
| 12:04.58 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 12:05.18 | Motafoca | debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:05.21 | Motafoca | downloading that |
| 12:05.42 | pparadis | yeah, you may have to adapt some things, but i have a feeling that guy's instructions should be helpful. |
| 12:06.23 | pparadis | make sure you read that entire page, it's got some contributions listed at the bottom. |
| 12:06.32 | pparadis | (before the comments, that is) |
| 12:07.42 | Motafoca | yeap, sounds great |
| 12:08.08 | Motafoca | pparadis, its a 486 as you said, good thing is that they have the kernel sources, so im all set |
| 12:08.48 | pparadis | you may indeed continue to have issues with the debian 6 netinstall CD, but if you can find a lenny netinst ISO you can always get that on there first and then dist-upgrade it to squeeze |
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| 12:08.56 | pparadis | some folks mentioned issues like that in the comments. |
| 12:09.21 | pparadis | Motafoca: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/i386/iso-cd/debian-5010-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 12:11.25 | BlitzHere | Here's a question. Can I use that netinst cd to get a barebones system and then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 12:11.45 | BlitzHere | Using the command line, that is |
| 12:11.50 | pparadis | Motafoca: in case you don't hit a mirror that has that old stuff on it, this one does --> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/archive/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:12.09 | pparadis | BlitzHere: sure |
| 12:12.20 | pparadis | !tell BlitzHere about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:13.09 | Motafoca | pparadis, ah thanks alot |
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| 12:15.25 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: beware, wheezy is testing, some parts/bits will/are break/broken. just to warn you |
| 12:16.19 | pparadis | !tell boudiccas about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:16.22 | pparadis | ;) |
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| 12:17.48 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 12:17.49 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:18.29 | boudiccas | jelly neat :) |
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| 12:21.24 | BlitzHere | So, is it better to simply go straight to unstable. The system is completely non critical in every way. And unstable also has faster fixes... |
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| 12:22.05 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: i wouldnt, but YMMV |
| 12:23.30 | pparadis | BlitzHere: unstable is for folks who are completely comfortable with their stuff breaking regularly and are comfortable with fixing it (frequently with significant effort) |
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| 12:24.05 | boudiccas | IOW its not for noobs or the faint hearted |
| 12:24.36 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: There is a nvidia driver that I need, and I'm just experimenting at the moment. I have no real use for the system. I just want to rack up some experience with linux... |
| 12:25.41 | BlitzHere | I'm not fainthearted, but I'm definitely a desktop linux noob... |
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| 12:27.07 | quebre | mhm |
| 12:27.08 | pparadis | BlitzHere: you might want to run stable or testing on your workstation and run unstable in a VM. that way, when it goes completely sideways, it doesn't matter much. :) |
| 12:27.12 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: i remembered you saying that you hadnt been using linux long, only a coiuple of days, and i was trying to warn you off wheezy, but its ultimately your decision |
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| 12:27.33 | pparadis | might really be best to run stable and run anything else in VMs, actually. |
| 12:28.08 | BlitzHere | Erm, in dos, you had edit to edit stuff. What's a good linux equivalent? I don't want abiword or something like that though. I have command line only right now |
| 12:28.26 | pparadis | nano, vim, emacs, etc |
| 12:28.32 | pparadis | well, vim-nox |
| 12:28.39 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: what do you mean 'edit stuff'? what 'stuff'? |
| 12:28.44 | pparadis | or vim-minimal whatever |
| 12:29.12 | pparadis | for people new to linux in general, i typically recommend using nano if you need to edit config files and whatnot. |
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| 12:29.40 | pparadis | editors are a topic of major flamewars, however. |
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| 12:30.00 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: Thanks, but the thing is that I'm not really trying to get stuff into a stable place. Anyway, my opinion is that the best way to learn about something is to break it, or watch it break and then put it back together |
| 12:30.07 | BlitzHere | :) |
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| 12:30.38 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: text files, like sources.list |
| 12:30.57 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: nano without a doubt |
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| 12:31.16 | drigollier | hi all |
| 12:31.19 | \Jan | hi one |
| 12:32.12 | BlitzHere | Thanks pparadis! I already have nano, apparently. :P |
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| 12:32.31 | BlitzHere | Thanks boudiccas! |
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| 12:37.40 | ratatata | nu |
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| 12:40.21 | BlitzHere | So, for a linux newbie trying to learn more about the inner workings of linux, can you guys suggest any other distros? |
| 12:40.53 | \Jan | <spoiler> gentoo </spoiler> |
| 12:41.00 | break19 | if you want to know inner workings, read a book, or read the code.. |
| 12:41.13 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: i'm not a guy but i'd stick with debian and learn transferable skills |
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| 12:41.19 | pparadis | having used about a dozen other distros, i think if you actually read through all this first, you'll understand a bit more --> http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 12:41.32 | quebre | BlitzHere: slackware will force you to learn a bit more than on other distros ;) |
| 12:41.33 | pparadis | okay, more than a dozen. a lot. |
| 12:41.34 | break19 | jan, seriously? you think watching a bunch of compiler messages for a few hours will teach you anything about the inner workings?? |
| 12:41.45 | pparadis | nod, it really doesn't. |
| 12:41.53 | \Jan | s/spoiler/sarcasm/g |
| 12:42.03 | pparadis | if you actually dig into the guts of debian, you'll learn an immense amount. |
| 12:42.47 | break19 | arch also has some great documentation.. but the best thing to learn about inner workings is to learn to read the code for yourself |
| 12:43.37 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: start by getting a stable desktop that does all you want iot to do. then write a bash script to back /home nightly, that way you'll be learning about bash which is good |
| 12:43.43 | pparadis | maybe the best advice is to spend a month each really digging into different distros, then decide what you want to use for any given purpose. |
| 12:44.06 | boudiccas | backup i mean |
| 12:44.14 | pparadis | starting with debian of course, and really digging into it, because i suspect you'll like it a lot ;) |
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| 12:45.07 | pparadis | i knew a guy who tried too many linux distros at the same time. he lost his mind and was found wandering in the desert chanting something about richard stallman. it was sad, really. |
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| 12:46.47 | break19 | lol |
| 12:47.07 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: also you'll be learning about cron and cronjobs with the backup script |
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| 12:49.07 | BlitzHere | Thanks everyone! I'm really having fun with debian at the moment. I found lubuntu easy but somewhat stifling. So, maybe I'll spend some a few days with debian, learn to do a lot more with the command line, and then shift to arch, gentoo or slackware... |
| 12:49.38 | pparadis | ubuntu makes babies cry. you don't want to make babies cry. don't do it, man. |
| 12:49.51 | BlitzHere | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.36 | pparadis | BlitzHere: i like debian because it makes it easy for me to solve problems. it gets out of my way so i can do what i really want to do. |
| 12:51.00 | cortman | lol pparadis |
| 12:51.08 | cortman | ^^^babies cry |
| 12:51.16 | pparadis | it's true, man. it's just awful. |
| 12:51.57 | cortman | I'm dual booting wheezy and Ubuntu 12.04, slowly shifting more to Debian |
| 12:52.05 | cortman | It's definitely becoming my preference |
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| 12:53.32 | BlitzHere | pparadis: ubuntu:debian = win7:winXP |
| 12:53.50 | BlitzHere | Qtleast from my very limited experience |
| 12:53.53 | BlitzHere | Lol |
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| 12:54.27 | pparadis | more like clowncar:bmw |
| 12:54.54 | cortman | haha |
| 12:55.02 | claw_ | :D |
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| 12:56.04 | bardzusny | pparadis++ |
| 12:56.53 | claw_ | i would love to have debian in my bmw |
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| 13:04.58 | BlitzHere | Is btrfs still in beta or is it good enough to try? |
| 13:05.50 | pparadis | BlitzHere: it is not ready for production use, at least for most peoples' definition of that. |
| 13:06.24 | pparadis | haha --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs "Especially when the filesystem becomes full, no space conditions arrive which might make it challenging to delete files." |
| 13:06.32 | pparadis | i love the word "challenging" used like that. |
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| 13:06.52 | BlitzHere | pparadis: thanks, I suppose there is no point in choosing that. ext4 it is... |
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| 13:06.57 | SwitchT | bonjour |
| 13:07.11 | pparadis | SwitchT: hi |
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| 13:07.33 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: ex3 gives you slightly better opportunities for rescuing deleted files |
| 13:07.56 | pparadis | yeah, i still use ext3 on almost everything. |
| 13:08.03 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: over ext4? Hmmm... |
| 13:08.03 | simonlnu | i'm liking ext4 a *lot* |
| 13:08.30 | cortman | diff ext4 ext3? |
| 13:08.31 | ksuhku | ext3 will give you long fcsks |
| 13:08.34 | BlitzHere | Are the performance gains on ext4 over ext3 good? |
| 13:08.38 | simonlnu | it's like getting xfs traits with ext3 |
| 13:09.49 | BlitzHere | My computer is SLOOOW as it is and I don't have any important files on it. I would pick speed over recoverability... |
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| 13:11.46 | green_ | tv app for ubuntu? |
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| 13:12.07 | boudiccas | green_: wrong channel, ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:12.27 | green_ | sorry |
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| 13:32.57 | epzil0n | hi guys i was trying to get the script nicklist.pl working with byobu but i only get an error saying that screen is not detected? |
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| 13:33.51 | BlitzHere | pparadis: can you repost that pastebin link please. I wanted to take a look at a couple of packages. I'm on IRC on a phone and text doesn't scroll that far back :P |
| 13:33.57 | BlitzHere | Thanks! |
| 13:34.22 | BlitzHere | What's the difference between... |
| 13:34.24 | mastro | recently (yesterday? do not know exactly, do not reboot often) I upgraded my system and skype microphone stopped to work. Instead it play what my speakers are playing. If I do arecord > file.wav && aplay file.wav they can ear me |
| 13:35.19 | BlitzHere | linux-image-2.6-686 & linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 |
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| 13:37.06 | BlitzHere | I found the pastebin link in the history :P |
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| 13:37.20 | BlitzHere | is stupid |
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| 13:37.42 | pparadis | BlitzHere: sorry man, i just saw this :) |
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| 13:38.47 | BlitzHere | pparadis: no worries, I just posted that anyway. Think I'm on the road to chanting in the desert... |
| 13:39.01 | pparadis | hah |
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| 13:45.39 | mastro | anybody having this issue? |
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| 13:46.37 | pparadis | mastro: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:47.04 | mastro | pparadis, testing |
| 13:50.15 | abrotman | BlitzHere: the -486 is meant for 486/586 CPUs, the 686 is for 686 and newer |
| 13:50.24 | trysten | i was trying to load a kernel with grub2 and when i used autocomplete i just got jibberish like this: /boot/alkfjqo4rh1234 |
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| 13:52.36 | BlitzHere | abrotman: sorry, I made a mistake there. I wanted to know the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:52.50 | BlitzHere | I have a P4 - which is 686 |
| 13:53.20 | BlitzHere | The expert install gives you that option. Searched google but didn't quite explain everything |
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| 13:53.41 | pparadis | BlitzHere: linux-image-2.6-686 is a meta package. |
| 13:53.58 | themill | the former is a convenience package depending on the latter; it just makes future upgrades easier |
| 13:54.27 | pparadis | nod, from the description "This package depends on the latest Linux kernel 2.6 and modules for use on PCs with Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4 ..." |
| 13:54.40 | BlitzHere | Ah, okay. That probably includes the second one...wonder why that option is around in the first place.... |
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| 13:56.06 | shaullx | i need help setting up csf firewall, i'd like to add 3 'no-ip.org' domains to the allow list, so that all the ports in the server will be open to them, how would i do that? |
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| 14:01.37 | mastro | pparadis, ok I solved the issue it's probably something that changed with pulseaudio |
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| 14:05.48 | shaullx | anyone? |
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| 14:07.30 | boudiccas | shaullx: it would help if you told us what 'csf firewall' was and its url |
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| 14:12.41 | mastro | pparadis, if anybody ask: install pavucontrol and, under recording, change from "monitor of built-in analog stereo" to "built-in analog stereo", you have to do it while doing a call so that you see the skype recording |
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| 14:14.58 | shaullx | boudiccas, it's a firewall, obviously o.o |
| 14:15.19 | boudiccas | shaullx: duh! :) |
| 14:15.31 | shaullx | you're the one who asked what it is o.o |
| 14:15.33 | shaullx | http://configserver.com/cp/csf.html |
| 14:16.05 | kesroesweyth | shaullx is this software built into debian..? |
| 14:16.26 | shaullx | no |
| 14:16.32 | kesroesweyth | k then :) |
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| 14:17.34 | shaullx | i actually don't mind using the built in debian firewall, as long as there's a way to do that there |
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| 14:17.48 | shaullx | i did it with csf on my last dedicated, but i can't remember how x.x |
| 14:18.23 | boudiccas | shaullx: its unsupported, so you have to work it out from the documentation with it |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | BlitzHere: /msg dpkg metapackage .. you want the former |
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| 14:22.15 | tharkun | I need a program that whenever some guest to our local network tries to connect to the internet it ask for the daily password. If not suplied it will not allow any connections. Can someone point me the right google term? |
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| 14:25.21 | tharkun | !popcorn |
| 14:25.21 | dpkg | pours a bag of popcorn into nhandler's lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about <popcon>) |
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| 14:28.52 | trysten | sorry for the poor quality picture, but this is what i'm talking about http://i46.tinypic.com/22dlc0.jpg |
| 14:29.51 | superstraw | cool! |
| 14:30.07 | superstraw | i think it's broke |
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| 14:32.54 | shtrb | any non US/ACTA friendly debian users could help to file a bug ? |
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| 14:33.29 | shtrb | *security bug |
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| 14:33.44 | superstraw | ? |
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| 14:37.30 | dkr | tharkun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN_Management_Policy_Server might point you in the right direction |
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| 14:39.11 | tharkun | dkr: Thanks reading now |
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| 14:43.32 | tr4sk | Hi :) Did someone already setup a jasperserver+web intregration ? I'm in lack of information. |
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| 14:49.55 | DammitJim | I think I just fell in love with the terminal yet again by discovering all these keyboard shortcuts! |
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| 14:54.04 | Bombo | hi |
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| 14:59.54 | BlitzHere | Does apt install recommended and suggested packages by default? |
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| 15:00.21 | Bombo | when i'm compiling a 64bit kernel on a 32bit system (with gcc multilib installed) with this line 'make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --cross-compile - --arch=amd64 --initrd kernel_image' will the resulting kernel run 32bit binaries also? (i want to run both! 32bit&64bit) |
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| 15:00.56 | bugs_bugger | how can i point a configure script to a manually compiled and installed dependency package? |
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| 15:01.18 | DammitJim | BlitzHere, I think so |
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| 15:08.17 | ksuhku | bugs_bugger, configure --help |
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| 15:12.38 | BlitzHere | I see a bunch of icon theme packages in the repository. Are these common to X or are they specific to certain window managers? |
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| 15:15.58 | jhutchins_wk | BlitzHere: I think they come from window managers, although they may not be directly associated with them. |
| 15:16.14 | jhutchins_wk | BlitzHere: You can probably learn more at http://freedesktop.org |
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| 15:18.30 | tharkun | dkr: It is a bit of an overkill but it does the job thanks |
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| 15:19.31 | BlitzHere | jhutchkins_wk: a lot of them do come from WMs but some are available from third parties.... |
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| 15:28.06 | BlitzHere | Hmmm, still debating whether to just get all the icon packs. Damn OCD. I know I will never use them anyway...sigh. |
| 15:28.12 | BlitzHere | I always get all the backgrounds in the world and I always end up using solid black :P |
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| 15:30.18 | trysten | what is root's default password when one does debootstrap? |
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| 15:31.54 | somiaj | trysten: I don't think there is one. |
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| 15:32.37 | engla | the chroot will have the same users as the host I think? |
| 15:32.54 | jordanm | engla: no |
| 15:32.56 | somiaj | though you need to chroot into the debootstrap location anyways and set up your basics such as primary user and root password |
| 15:32.59 | jhutchins_wk | The password will be whatever you set. |
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| 15:33.17 | engla | jordanm: no? ok, then it will be messy |
| 15:33.42 | somiaj | engla: it only sets up root as a login user and then sets up basic debian user/groups. |
| 15:33.50 | jordanm | engla: it would if you copied /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group from the host machine |
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| 15:33.54 | somiaj | though I forget if there is a blank password or password login for root is just disabled |
| 15:34.20 | engla | hm but chroot does not create a new uid namespace |
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| 15:36.39 | somiaj | yea looks like there is just a blank or no password by default |
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| 15:41.32 | BlitzHere | If I do apt-get source -b <package> will it autobuild, or do I need to give some input? I'm just wondering because I'm no programmer but I wouldn't mind my apps being built for my system... |
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| 15:43.49 | engla | BlitzHere: no reason that the built package will be different or better in any way |
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| 15:45.17 | jordanm | BlitzHere: engla: compile-time optimizations can be changed, but it is unlikely that you see any noticable difference in performance |
| 15:45.22 | jordanm | !gentoosmite BlitzHere |
| 15:45.22 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling BlitzHere, and when it's all done, BlitzHere runs 0.4% faster than previously |
| 15:46.02 | engla | jordanm: changed by the user or automatically changed? |
| 15:46.11 | lcc | how can I make a bootable usb installer? dd doesn't work. making an ubuntu installer works with ubuntu's installer program. |
| 15:46.24 | BlitzHere | Hmm, okay. And I have a P4. What was I thinking!? :P |
| 15:46.33 | jordanm | engla: must be changed by the user, by modifying debian/rules of the package |
| 15:46.38 | engla | BlitzHere: to answer the question, you need to install build dependencies with the apt-get command "build-dep" otherwise it will fail |
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| 15:46.59 | engla | jordanm: right, so no reason for this user to get any difference since BlitzHere wanted to run this command without doing any changes |
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| 15:47.49 | dougle | Icc: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net |
| 15:47.53 | jordanm | engla: I do recall something that would try to automate it, but I believe it has been unmaintained for years |
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| 15:48.15 | engla | BlitzHere: the only thing that happens is that you'll rerun the build that debian's build machines already do.. and that configuration must be generic so that the package works on all machines of the target architecture |
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| 15:49.37 | engla | well, using a newer gcc could be beneficial |
| 15:49.53 | Strykar | Hi, I just updated my rtl8192se wifi drivers. I rmmod-ed the previous ones and mod probed the new ones but wlan0 won't come up anymore. How can I troubleshoot this? |
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| 15:50.01 | lcc | I'm trying to make a debian install usb, not an ubuntu one. |
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| 15:50.26 | somiaj | lcc: all of squeeze's iso can be dd/cat onto the device to be bootable. Are you dd it to /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 (for example) |
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| 15:50.43 | jhutchins_wk | lcc: dd does work, although cat is the recommended method. |
| 15:50.52 | jhutchins_wk | lcc: Have you read the install guide? |
| 15:51.05 | lcc | somiaj: I tried both dd and cat, neither worked. |
| 15:51.06 | somiaj | which image are you trying to use as well lcc? |
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| 15:51.18 | lcc | somiaj: debian testing iso |
| 15:51.21 | somiaj | lcc: give us more details, which image are you using, what is the exact command you typed |
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| 15:51.39 | somiaj | lcc: don't use those. Use the supported stable iso installers. the testing images could be outdated or not work (as it is testing) |
| 15:51.46 | jhutchins_wk | lcc: Both dd and cat have worked for other people, so the specifics of what happened would help a lot. |
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| 15:52.49 | aether | lcc: use netbootin |
| 15:52.56 | Strykar | Let me rephrase my question, how can I updated my wifi drivers and reload the new ones without a reboot? |
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| 15:53.35 | aether | Strykar: check your dmesg for any messages relating to the driver. |
| 15:54.04 | somiaj | Strykar: what do you mean by upgrade? You can unload/reload the modules related to the driver if needed (thus loading the newer ones). |
| 15:54.09 | lcc | I followed this tutorial exactly: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb, also I tried cat debian.iso > /dev/sdc1;sync |
| 15:54.21 | Strykar | aether: No new messages, just old ones from when it worked earlier |
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| 15:54.33 | lcc | so, it could be that I'm using testing. I'll try it with stable, and I will try unetbootin. |
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| 15:55.02 | Strykar | somiaj: I did just that after installing new modules, but wlan0 won't come up anymore and dmesg tells me nothing |
| 15:55.05 | somiaj | lcc: the testing installers are not guarnteed to work. It is even suggested you use the stable installers for a base system then upgrade to testing/unstable if that is your method. |
| 15:55.33 | somiaj | Strykar: how did you install the new modules? Are they compadable with the kernel? What wifi driver and why do you need to do this? |
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| 15:56.00 | Bombo | hmmm where in the make menuconfig is the "64bit" option? i can't find it |
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| 15:56.06 | somiaj | (lots of drivers are based on the kernel you have -- though some can be compiled as third party modules against your kernel) |
| 15:56.38 | Motafoca | pparadis, what was the mirror of debian5? |
| 15:56.39 | somiaj | Bombo: check the processor type, though usually it defaults to what ever your enviorment is (unless you set up a way to cross compile) |
| 15:56.52 | Strykar | somiaj: They are compatible with the 3x kernels, I used the make install script that came with the Realtek driver, they compiled and installed fine |
| 15:57.03 | somiaj | Motafoca: archive.debian.org |
| 15:57.15 | Bombo | somiaj: yes i want to crosscompile a 64bit kernel on a 32bit debian |
| 15:57.36 | somiaj | Strykar: the realtek drivers usually make it into the kernel. I would suggest a more recent kernel from backports and make sure you also install the firmware. |
| 15:57.39 | Bombo | somiaj: so i thought i could select 64bit somewhere |
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| 15:57.49 | somiaj | Bombo: that will require a bit of work as you don't have a 64 bit build enviorment |
| 15:57.57 | somiaj | Bombo: 32bit on 64bit system is far easier. |
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| 15:58.11 | Bombo | somiaj: i have gcc multilib installed |
| 15:58.16 | Motafoca | somiaj, ty |
| 15:58.23 | Strykar | somiaj: A new kernel seems overkill, the drivers compile fine and yes, I did copy over the firmware too |
| 15:58.43 | somiaj | Strykar: well then find the error messages, maybe the drivers just don't see your card as valid. |
| 15:59.06 | somiaj | Bombo: I've only done 32bit compiling on a 64bit userland. The other way aroudn I know takes a bit more work. Why do you want to do this? |
| 15:59.34 | Strykar | somiaj: I've been trying to, but there are no error messages in /var/log/anywhere related to wlan0 |
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| 16:00.03 | somiaj | they will probabaly be related to the module, wlan0 just gets assigned once it comes up correctly |
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| 16:00.48 | Bombo | somiaj: i have 4gb ram installed, but i'm just able to use 3 of them |
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| 16:00.52 | somiaj | if the module is loading it should give you some message despite if it sucessful or not |
| 16:01.07 | sney | Bombo: install a bigmem or pae 32-bit kernel then. that will give you full memory access |
| 16:01.14 | Strykar | somiaj: So modprobe should spit an error at me? The modules have no message on modprobe |
| 16:01.18 | somiaj | Bombo: why do you want to compile your own kernel, get a bigmem or pae premade debian kernel with apt-get install |
| 16:01.28 | sney | bigmem is available in squeeze and pae is available in squeeze-backports (and testing/sid) |
| 16:01.40 | somiaj | Strykar: dmesg | tail (they may not always be printed to the console) |
| 16:01.56 | Strykar | Ah lemme try that |
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| 16:03.53 | Strykar | Ifconfig wlan0 up says no such device and dmesg is clear |
| 16:04.13 | Strykar | somiaj: ^ I mean |
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| 16:05.29 | somiaj | that is because the module isn't loading correctly, so figure out why. lsmod (is the module even listed there) |
| 16:05.33 | aether | Strykar: If you haven't rebooted since you install the modules you might need to refresh you modprobe database. Use the 'depmod' command to do that. |
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| 16:06.14 | Strykar | somiaj: The module is listed under lsmod |
| 16:06.22 | Strykar | aether: Trying that now |
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| 16:09.48 | Bombo | somiaj: is this the 'high memory support' in the menuconfig? i set it to 4gb, but i have just 3gb |
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| 16:10.33 | Strykar | aether: depmod runs without error but wlan0 still won't come up or log an error as to why |
| 16:10.46 | somiaj | Bombo: Its been so long since I have compiled my own kernel, I don't keep up with all the changes |
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| 16:13.03 | Bombo | hmm and i don't see PAE |
| 16:13.40 | Strykar | somiaj: is modprobe supposed to print something on successfully loading a module? |
| 16:14.21 | Bombo | oh there it is, when i change high memory support from 4gb to 64gb |
| 16:14.56 | Bombo | strange |
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| 16:15.05 | aether | Strykar: nope nothing should happen when something works as expected. You can check the exit status of the last command with 'echo $?', if that number is 0 then the module was loaded without modprobe raising an error. |
| 16:15.19 | Bombo | when i select 4gb i see only 3gb |
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| 16:16.53 | somiaj | though most decent modules spit info to dmesg, so it could be just a realtek support issue (it is their module afterall) |
| 16:16.56 | Bombo | ok i'll try to compile a 32bit kernel now and see if the 4gb are detected |
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| 16:18.05 | Bombo | but one question: IF i manage to cross compile a 64bit kernel on my 32bit debian, boot it, will the installed 32bit binaries work? |
| 16:18.18 | aether | Strykar: you can run 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' in a different terminal when you load the module to watch for an error messages that the kernel produces |
| 16:18.22 | Bombo | will every 64bit kernel be able to run 32bit binaries? |
| 16:19.01 | aether | Bombo: you will need 64bit libraries to complete the boot process |
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| 16:21.05 | Bombo | aether: libc mainly? |
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| 16:21.44 | Bombo | so i could install libc6-amd64 |
| 16:22.11 | Bombo | just for the booting? and then it will be able to run 32bit bins too? |
| 16:22.50 | Bombo | because i think i remember haveing a default debian 64bit kernel where i can't run 32bit bins |
| 16:23.40 | Bombo | probably because i didn't install 32bit libc |
| 16:23.43 | Bombo | hmm |
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| 16:24.57 | Strykar | aether: Staking shows me messages from the driver and mac80211 module, but wlan0 still won't come up and there are no module errors in syslog |
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| 16:25.17 | Strykar | And by staking I mean /var/log/syslog |
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| 16:26.30 | aether | you might be able to use 'apt-get install ia32-libs' to install the 32bit compatibility layer for your 64bit kernel. However I am wondering what the point of this project is? It seems like you going to break your box? why not have a 32bit root '/' and a 64bit root '/' and then just switch them at boot time |
| 16:26.47 | aether | Strykar: can you pastebin the relavent lines please. |
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| 16:31.01 | Bombo | aether: well ok but the goal is to keep the current /, mainly because it's working :) i could install a complete fresh debian 64bit but i will have to configure everything again |
| 16:31.31 | Bombo | aether: mainly because of the 3gb mem thing (i got 4gb installed) |
| 16:32.24 | Bombo | aether: maybe the raise of 4gb to 64gb + PAE in the menuconfig will work, so i don' |
| 16:32.40 | Bombo | t twiddle around with a 64bit kernel ;) |
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| 16:47.02 | digdilem | bigmem kernel allows > 3gb in 32bit |
| 16:47.25 | digdilem | ah, i see sney suggested that already |
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| 16:48.32 | digdilem | i have several servers where it was easier to just slip a bigmem kernel in than do a full 32->64 bit reinstall |
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| 16:50.00 | Bombo | digdilem: i set mem to 4gb instead of 64gb and i got 3gb |
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| 16:50.44 | Bombo | digdilem: as 4gb help says 'if you have 1-4gb mem' and 64gb mem help says '4gb-64gb' i guess |
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| 16:51.29 | Harzilein | hi |
| 16:51.32 | Harzilein | can i have udev recycle /dev/video1 after i have manually unbound and unloaded the driver for my second (hot-pluggable) v4l device? |
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| 16:56.20 | oops | In gnome3 of Wheezy, when I select "suspend", the computer suspends but the power button still keeps blinking. It wakes up as soon as I press a key or click my mouse. can I do something like hibernate, where the computer suspends, saves state to hard disk and powers off? |
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| 17:03.55 | BlitzHere | What package do I need for debian to autodetect printers and to find and install printer drivers? |
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| 17:05.19 | goose | issue installing sendmail via aptitude: http://captain-kickass.net/p/24 |
| 17:05.53 | themill | (why would you want to install sendmail) |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | goose: did you do aan apt-get update before ? |
| 17:06.12 | goose | abrotman, yes |
| 17:06.18 | abrotman | oh .. it's that apport reports things agin |
| 17:06.19 | goose | themill, irrelevant |
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| 17:06.33 | abrotman | though .. it can't create files either .. |
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| 17:06.40 | themill | is / mounted ro? |
| 17:06.41 | jordanm | ,versions sendmail |
| 17:06.42 | judd | Package: sendmail on i386 -- lenny: 8.14.3-5+lenny1; lenny-security: 8.14.3-5+lenny1; squeeze: 8.14.3-9.4; sid: 8.14.4-2.1; wheezy: 8.14.4-2.1 |
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| 17:07.00 | dynamikztatik | How can I check which installed packages depend on a specific package? |
| 17:07.08 | abrotman | apt-cache |
| 17:07.22 | abrotman | dynamikztatik: or aptitude |
| 17:07.35 | MattDunbar | debian is quite the sexy name |
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| 17:08.35 | goose | interesting.. I can 'touch text.txt' on /, but not in /root or /etc/cron.daily (as root) |
| 17:08.47 | twobitsprite | where do I get alsaconf in wheezy? I have alsa-base, alsa-tools and alsa-util installed, and apt-file only finds 2 vim config files named alsaconf |
| 17:08.54 | goose | (I get touch: cannot touch `test.txt': Permission denied) |
| 17:09.00 | themill | dpkg: tell twobitsprite about alsaconf |
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| 17:09.14 | abrotman | goose: filesystem errors ? |
| 17:09.22 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 17:09.33 | goose | abrotman, how do you mean? |
| 17:09.37 | jordanm | goose: pastebin the output of "mount; cat /proc/mounts" |
| 17:09.43 | goose | certainly |
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| 17:10.03 | dynamikztatik | abrotman: ... specific syntax ? |
| 17:10.09 | abrotman | dynamikztatik: man aptitude |
| 17:10.09 | jordanm | goose: when I a filesystem has errors, it is remounted and read-only (unless mount options specify otherwise) |
| 17:10.24 | goose | jordanm, http://captain-kickass.net/p/25 |
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| 17:11.51 | jordanm | goose: pastebin "lsattr /" |
| 17:12.15 | goose | http://captain-kickass.net/p/26 |
| 17:12.17 | jordanm | and dmesg | tail -30 |
| 17:12.40 | jordanm | goose: /root is marked as immutable, that's why you can't write there |
| 17:12.41 | goose | and http://captain-kickass.net/p/27 |
| 17:12.50 | jordanm | expect the same with wherever you are trying to write in /etc |
| 17:13.02 | jordanm | goose: chattr -i /root |
| 17:13.22 | themill | working out why this is the case and who did this should be a high priority |
| 17:13.39 | goose | I love you jordanm |
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| 17:13.57 | goose | just run 'chattr -i $dir' on any directories root can't write to, that I should be able to write to? |
| 17:14.02 | goose | also, do you know what causes that? |
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| 17:14.23 | jordanm | goose: yes, its caused by someone else running "chattr +i $dir" |
| 17:14.27 | abrotman | it can be caused by filesystem problems also |
| 17:14.29 | themill | goose: unwelcome visitors |
| 17:14.37 | goose | it's a freshly imaged box |
| 17:14.38 | abrotman | neither are something want :) |
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| 17:14.47 | goose | just re-imaged Squeeze onto it 3 or 4 days ago, only me and one other guy use it |
| 17:15.03 | abrotman | a public box ? |
| 17:15.05 | jordanm | then I would expect its "other guy" |
| 17:15.08 | goose | no, private VPS |
| 17:15.09 | themill | clueless people making images is another common option, I've seen plenty of messed up permissions, but never chattr'd stuff |
| 17:15.19 | abrotman | goose: private meaning it doesn't have a public IP ? |
| 17:15.31 | themill | has seen VPS images where /tmp isn't writeable. |
| 17:15.37 | goose | oh, no, it has public IP(s), but only myself and my friend have SSH'ed into it |
| 17:15.45 | goose | that auth logs tell me, anyways |
| 17:16.37 | goose | also, what /is/ chattr? or should I google it? |
| 17:16.50 | jordanm | goose: man chattr probably offers a description |
| 17:17.35 | goose | alright |
| 17:17.37 | goose | thanks #Debian :) |
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| 17:21.44 | ocx | hello , iam looking for a samba web client anything on mind? |
| 17:22.09 | jordanm | ocx: use webdav instead? |
| 17:22.26 | ocx | can you use webdav with windows? |
| 17:22.44 | jordanm | yes |
| 17:23.01 | ocx | versioning? |
| 17:23.06 | ocx | smb mounts? |
| 17:23.20 | ocx | can you make a network drive mapping using webdav? |
| 17:23.21 | jordanm | no idea, i just know its a "web" based file server |
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| 17:23.32 | jordanm | you can in linux, not sure about windows |
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| 17:24.47 | jordanm | ocx: if you just need to download your samba files anonymously over the web, just point your webserver at it with directory indexing enabled, don't even need DAV |
| 17:25.27 | ocx | my issue is that i dont want it anonymous |
| 17:25.38 | ocx | i want users priviledges to be retained |
| 17:25.58 | ocx | so if a user accesses his files using smb he can also access his files using http |
| 17:26.00 | jordanm | then use webdav or mark the "web based" requires won't fix |
| 17:26.02 | ocx | same authentication |
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| 17:26.55 | jordanm | you can use mod_ldap or mod_kerberos to have apache authenticate against w/e you have samba authenticating against |
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| 17:29.03 | ocx | security = user in samba |
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| 17:32.02 | trysten | if i unplug a drive, while it is still mounted, is there a way to restablish that when i plug it back in without having to remount it? |
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| 17:32.58 | DammitJim | where do I get this libglib-2.0.la library? |
| 17:33.09 | DammitJim | e17 is asking for it |
| 17:33.33 | jordanm | ,versions e17 |
| 17:33.35 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.70492-2; wheezy: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
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| 17:33.51 | jordanm | DammitJim: debian packages should handle any depends needed |
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| 17:34.39 | DammitJim | I'm not installing e17 using apt |
| 17:34.44 | DammitJim | I did it from sources |
| 17:34.52 | DammitJim | or does that not make a difference |
| 17:34.57 | DammitJim | is there an e17 in the repo now? |
| 17:35.08 | DammitJim | holy cow |
| 17:35.10 | DammitJim | there is one! |
| 17:35.16 | jordanm | ,file libglib-2.0.la |
| 17:35.21 | judd | Search for libglib-2.0.la in squeeze/i386: libglib2.0-dev: usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la |
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| 17:36.01 | DammitJim | weird... I already have libglib2.0-dev |
| 17:36.06 | DammitJim | just not the .la file |
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| 17:58.39 | karlpinc | Anything recommended for getting rss feeds via email besides rss2email? |
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| 18:02.19 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 18:02.33 | rmrfchik | trying to connect to inet via bluetooth phone |
| 18:03.02 | rmrfchik | i'm trying to use network-manager, i was able to register "mobile" network |
| 18:03.14 | rmrfchik | but see no way to connect |
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| 18:03.58 | johndoe | how can i force apt-get to install all the packages without complaining about dependencies? |
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| 18:04.34 | themill | johndoe: can you pastebin the commands you gave and the full output? |
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| 18:06.28 | johndoe | themill: http://pastebin.com/qz0GyBTS |
| 18:07.20 | themill | !immediate configuration |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." Fixing this is quite difficult and will take time... if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install" will often be enough to solve the problem. If "dpkg -r" complains about dependencies, consider adding "--force-depends". |
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| 18:08.21 | johndoe | themill: can i somehow force it on apt-get? |
| 18:08.27 | themill | no |
| 18:08.31 | johndoe | oh god |
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| 18:08.50 | themill | johndoe: iirc for that one, you need to "dpkg -r --force-depends vlc phonon-backend-xine phonon-backend-vlc phonon; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:09.19 | themill | (some of those packages won't be installed, but apt should cope with that) |
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| 18:10.33 | tremon | what's wrong with -o apt::immediate-configure=false ? |
| 18:11.20 | tremon | other than that it still fails in certain corner cases... |
| 18:11.29 | themill | it never works |
| 18:11.40 | tremon | it did on me once ;) |
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| 18:16.51 | Raydiation | any idea which server distro to use with at least 2 years updates? |
| 18:17.09 | Raydiation | i hate it when stable is getting too old |
| 18:17.36 | tremon | that means you're simply managing too few servers |
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| 18:18.16 | urlwolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.28 | xand | Raydiation: well let's think. debian? |
| 18:18.34 | urlwolf | baobab says my hd is 65Gb, df sees 91gb, df is right |
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| 18:18.46 | Raydiation | xand: how do you think will it take until the new stable comes out? |
| 18:18.57 | maraKeybo | hi |
| 18:19.01 | Raydiation | because after that theres only 1 year support for the old one right? |
| 18:19.33 | abrotman | Raydiation: it iwll take til no more RC bugs |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | Raydiation: history would tell us... 6-9 months .. but we can't say for certain |
| 18:19.56 | Raydiation | abrotman: ty |
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| 18:20.11 | abrotman | Raydiation: so if you install squeeze today, figure 18 months support |
| 18:20.15 | maraKeybo | how can i configure the keyboard locale on X ? i-ve just installed debian wheezy with english locale and italian keyboard but the italian keys only works on ttys and *not* on X (xinit) how can i do? |
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| 18:20.37 | abrotman | !tell maraKeybo about keymap |
| 18:20.49 | abrotman | maraKeybo: gnome3 in wheezy has a keymap applet |
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| 18:23.11 | maraKeybo | abrotman: i dont use gnome3. i-m on openbox. i just tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration as you suggested but it doesnt work :( |
| 18:23.31 | abrotman | oh, sorry, i just inserted gnome3 there :) |
| 18:23.49 | abrotman | maraKeybo: read the whole factoid |
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| 18:26.03 | oops | should I disconnect the battery charger after my laptop is fully charged? |
| 18:26.23 | oops | what is the right thing to do? I am using Wheezy with GNOME 3. |
| 18:26.33 | oops | I mostly edit files in vim and browse the web. |
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| 18:28.43 | abrotman | whatever you'd like to do |
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| 18:33.36 | johndoe | what now? http://pastebin.com/kp6Vdtcx |
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| 18:34.13 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 18:38.53 | schinken | hi. |
| 18:39.09 | schinken | i upgraded my debian today to testing, now it doesnt boot anymore |
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| 18:39.16 | schinken | it seems like it has problems with my lvm configuration |
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| 18:39.28 | schinken | the initram seems to miss the lvm module in /proc/modules |
| 18:39.31 | schinken | what should i try? |
| 18:39.45 | johndoe | no kidding. upgrading breaks everything. |
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| 18:39.53 | schinken | i chrooted to my installed debian, updated initramf -k all -u |
| 18:39.54 | johndoe | now i remember why i stopped upgrading my system |
| 18:40.11 | schinken | a script exists in scripts/*top/lvm2 |
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| 18:40.25 | Maccer | wait what, the debian expert install offers the i686 kernel? |
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| 18:40.28 | schinken | does anyone know what i can do here |
| 18:40.46 | karlpinc | schinken: If that's really the problem then booting off the install cd into rescue mode and running "update-initramfs -u" will fix the initramfs. Unless there's a bug in testing. That happens. Check the <bts>. |
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| 18:41.32 | schinken | karlpinc: i've chrooted in my debian install with an ubuntu image, and ran update-initramfs -u |
| 18:41.37 | schinken | that should fix that problem, too |
| 18:41.39 | schinken | but it didnt... |
| 18:41.40 | karlpinc | schinken: (At least stable has update-initramfs. Don't know about testing.) |
| 18:41.53 | urlwolf | my / is 91Gb, my home is 65gb, and I cannot see what's taking up space |
| 18:42.03 | karlpinc | schinken: You could try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. But they will want you to have searched the bts. |
| 18:42.23 | schinken | karlpinc: do i have to use a debian stable rescue - i think every linux should work fine in an chrooted env. |
| 18:42.51 | maraKeyb1 | abrotman: solved (i hope). after using xkeycaps i found that there were no right keyboard (i pressed AltGr and it hilighted the Return key o.O ) so i choose "reset to default" . After then the pc was unusable and i had to reboot with the only combination possible: AltGr+Print+B . After the reboot X works good with the right keymaps :D (lol) |
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| 18:43.08 | abrotman | yay? |
| 18:43.11 | maraKeyb1 | *that |
| 18:43.25 | Raydiation | would you recommend wheezy as server? |
| 18:43.33 | GhostInTheShell | urlwolf: try du -bh --max-depth=1 and you can see what amount of space is taking each directory |
| 18:43.39 | Raydiation | will it gracefully update to stable? |
| 18:43.40 | maraKeyb1 | Raydiation: why not squeeze? |
| 18:43.46 | GhostInTheShell | after that you can check what are the contents of the bigger ones |
| 18:44.01 | karlpinc | !tell Raydiation about moving target |
| 18:44.12 | maraKeyb1 | Raydiation: it's the opposite: you can install squeeze and than upgrade to wheezy. |
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| 18:45.02 | maraKeyb1 | abrotman: thanks for the infos. In some random way i made it at the end. :) |
| 18:45.15 | Raydiation | the upgrade wont break the system right? |
| 18:45.24 | Raydiation | like ubuntu does regularely |
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| 18:46.03 | maraKeyb1 | Raydiation: upgrade from squeeze to wheezy , no. but the opposite could . |
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| 18:46.15 | Raydiation | ty |
| 18:46.20 | schinken | maraKeyb1: it will break your lvm :P |
| 18:46.37 | maraKeyb1 | schinken: what? an upgrade? |
| 18:46.57 | schinken | jep, thats what happend to me today |
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| 18:47.09 | karlpinc | Raydiation: Debian upgrades nicely. There can always be problems. Most of these are noted in the release notes. Be sure to follow the release notes when upgrading. It also tells you how to avoid problems and what to do to fix them. You could look at the squeeze release notes for an example. The squeeze update was especially tricky. |
| 18:47.15 | schinken | the initramfs doesnt has the lvm module in it anymore (seems so) |
| 18:47.27 | Raydiation | karlpinc: ty |
| 18:47.57 | maraKeyb1 | schinken: strange. have you tried to restore a copy of the old grub.cfg? maybe there're some problem because of some uuid stuff.. |
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| 18:47.57 | karlpinc | Raydiation: See also the <readme.debian> for specific packages, like databases. |
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| 18:49.48 | schinken | maraKeyb1: let me check |
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| 18:50.04 | schinken | maraKeyb1: it looks like its gone... could that be? |
| 18:50.21 | karlpinc | Raydiation: (Anything really tricky to upgrade, like databases, generally leaves the old and the new in place side by side and then you need to follow the <readme.debian> to convert from old to new. Depends on the package.) |
| 18:50.48 | karlpinc | !tell Raydiation about readme.debian |
| 18:51.05 | Raydiation | ty, didnt know about that |
| 18:51.20 | maraKeyb1 | schinken: while upgrading the grub.cfg could be rewritten from scratch. It only needs a kernel upgrade to lead to that problem. (and indeed wheezy has newer kernels than squeeze). when you install a new kernel grub recreate the grub.cfg file |
| 18:51.25 | schinken | maraKeyb1: i cant join debian-next, invite only :> |
| 18:51.40 | karlpinc | Raydiation: In a way, this is true of kernels too. They don't go away until you purge the package -- you can't just remove the package. |
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| 18:51.57 | maraKeyb1 | schinken: what is debian-next? |
| 18:51.57 | schinken | maraKeyb1: testing now has grub2... so i think no grub.conf anymore |
| 18:52.03 | Raydiation | karlpinc: autoremove? |
| 18:52.06 | karlpinc | !debian-next |
| 18:52.06 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 18:52.22 | schinken | oh, other network |
| 18:52.23 | karlpinc | Raydiation: ? |
| 18:52.29 | schinken | WHY!? :P |
| 18:52.39 | maraKeyb1 | schinken: i was talking about /boot/grub/grub.cfg. It is there, with wheezy |
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| 18:53.29 | Raydiation | karlpinc: doesnt apt-get autoremove uninstall old kernels? |
| 18:53.33 | maraKeyb1 | schinken: grub uses "menu.lst" . grub2 uses grub.cfg |
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| 18:53.42 | maraKeyb1 | same location. |
| 18:53.53 | maraKeyb1 | *directory |
| 18:53.59 | engla | you should use /etc/default/grub for most configuration |
| 18:54.04 | engla | (grub2) |
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| 18:55.04 | karlpinc | Raydiation: I don't use apt-get, so can't be sure. I bet not. I bet it leaves them in 'c' state. You need to purge to remove config files and for kernels it's klugded so the kernel is a config file. (Otherwise you could never upgrade kernel packages -- your modules and stuff would disappear out from under you before reboot.) |
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| 18:55.47 | coin3d | hi there. is it smart to install wheezy via the beta installer image? |
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| 18:56.02 | coin3d | or should i better install squeeze and then upgrade to wheezy? |
| 18:56.02 | karlpinc | kluged |
| 18:56.26 | karlpinc | coin3d: Safe way is minimal squeeze then upgrade. |
| 18:56.29 | Raydiation | btw, into which directory do you normally put your vserver images? |
| 18:56.46 | karlpinc | Raydiation: I'd use /srv. See the <fhs>. |
| 18:56.52 | Raydiation | ty |
| 18:56.56 | coin3d | karlpinc: ok. btw, have you ever used debootstrap to install from an existing linux? |
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| 18:57.22 | coin3d | it seems like its quite buggy |
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| 18:58.07 | karlpinc | coin3d: Nope, never done it. But it's been around forever, I'd expect that it works. |
| 18:58.24 | schinken | it says "failed to create symbolig link /tmp/init....../vgchange" |
| 18:58.32 | karlpinc | coin3d: Did you follow the instructions in the install guide? |
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| 18:58.56 | coin3d | karlpinc: there is an official debootstrap install guide? |
| 18:59.20 | karlpinc | coin3d: The install guide has an "install from disk" method that I think uses debootstrap. Could be wrong. |
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| 18:59.44 | maraKeyb1 | engla: yes, but this is a particular case. |
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| 19:01.40 | coin3d | karlpinc: you're right |
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| 19:02.20 | coin3d | another thing which i dont really understand: does debian start services directly during the installation? |
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| 19:11.57 | trysten | it has. |
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| 19:23.03 | geekbri | We are having a silence contest. |
| 19:23.09 | geekbri | Winning gets to install oracle linux. |
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| 19:24.34 | Raydiation | i follow this setup: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup why does apt-get install selinux-basics selinux-policy-default install x11 libs? |
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| 19:25.34 | simonlnu | Raydiation: apt-cache show selinux-basics selinux-policy-default |
| 19:26.44 | Raydiation | ty |
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| 19:27.37 | tremon | Raydiation: for example, aptitude why selinux-basics libxi6 |
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| 19:31.11 | jelly-home | .spank geekbri |
| 19:31.14 | jelly-home | !spank geekbri |
| 19:31.15 | dpkg | bends geekbri over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 19:31.22 | geekbri | :'( |
| 19:31.55 | brokencycle | Hi! Anyone with fam and rpcbind on Wheezy? I get "Cannot register service: RPC: Authentication error; why = Client credential too weak" when trying to start fam. |
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| 19:34.36 | Krikkit_Cat | Hey all, trying to install debian with file server, everything went well until /cdrom/:Please insert the disk labeled: 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 _Squeeze_-Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20120512-14:34' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter. Googled around and the only thing I can find that has the same line are people with it installed already, I'm still at the install script |
| 19:35.56 | jordanm | Krikkit_Cat: you are still in the debian installer? |
| 19:36.11 | Krikkit_Cat | Yes |
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| 19:36.50 | jordanm | is DVD1 that one you downloaded and used? |
| 19:37.22 | Krikkit_Cat | Yup |
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| 19:39.22 | schinken | it looks like my grub2 makes problems with lvm. in the config there is a insmod lvm - but it cant find the root uuid, because lvm seems not "loaded" |
| 19:39.32 | schinken | (sth like vgchange) |
| 19:40.20 | schinken | so what could be the reason |
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| 19:42.03 | Krikkit_Cat | Really though? |
| 19:42.06 | Krikkit_Cat | 8 dvd's? |
| 19:42.19 | Dmitrijus | schinken: i dont know the reason, but somehow using uuids in lvm+grub makes no sence |
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| 19:43.16 | BlitzHere | Krikkit_Cat: netinstall? |
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| 19:43.19 | jhutchins_wk | brokencycle: No specific info on that, but from the error message it would seem like your password is too weak. |
| 19:43.31 | tremon | Dmitrijus: if you use a uuid's for the kernel root= parameter, the initramfs has no way of knowing that it should activate lvm volumes |
| 19:43.39 | Krikkit_Cat | Blitz I'm on a .5mbps line |
| 19:44.12 | Dmitrijus | tremon: well, this is my point :) |
| 19:44.16 | tremon | Krikkit_Cat: metered and/or bandwidth capped? |
| 19:44.31 | tremon | Dmitrijus: yeah but you said "I don't know the reason" :) |
| 19:45.02 | Krikkit_Cat | tremon I'm actually installing this in a very low end production line. |
| 19:45.05 | oops | Is there a command to hibernate from Wheezy? GNOME 3 menu options don't provide hibernate option. |
| 19:45.09 | Krikkit_Cat | That's actually what the company pays for |
| 19:45.12 | Dmitrijus | tremon: ah ok ;] |
| 19:45.31 | BlitzHere | Krikkit_Cat: Same here. I get average download speeds of 55KBps. It's not so bad. Depending on how much you get, it shouldn't take long. It will be faster than downloading 8DVD... |
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| 19:46.10 | Krikkit_Cat | I just can't belive it lol |
| 19:46.24 | Krikkit_Cat | What the hell comes on 8 dvd's |
| 19:46.25 | Dmitrijus | tremon: although, he was talking about root= in grub2, not the initrd, however, the same applies :) |
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| 19:46.44 | mtn | oops: add the Alternative Status Menu extension |
| 19:46.55 | tremon | Krikkit_Cat: you should be able to go back a number of steps in the installer, and enable a network mirror. It will still prefer the local dvd (but there might be a number of updates which will be pulled from the net) |
| 19:47.05 | winsen | Hi all |
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| 19:47.08 | winsen | How to call this following profession 'telecommunications network Technician'?? it sounds wrong, thanks in advance |
| 19:47.18 | winsen | thanks to give me the correct name |
| 19:47.21 | oops | mtn, I just need the command. I want to invoke it from shell. |
| 19:47.42 | tremon | winsen: we're not translators |
| 19:48.15 | oops | winsen, please /join #english - we have a channel there precisely for this type of questions. |
| 19:48.16 | winsen | tremon: it's also an answer, anyway thank you ! |
| 19:48.17 | Krikkit_Cat | tremon It went through about 4 hours of downloading shit already |
| 19:49.30 | BlitzHere | Krikkit_Cat: Just get the netinstall cd. It's 200MB. 1 hour to download on your connection. And then 3 hours to install, if you let the installer do the desktop environment configuration. If you go for a minimal install, and then download just the packages you need, then much shorter |
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| 19:50.27 | simonlnu | Krikkit_Cat: the entirety of debian squeeze, that's what |
| 19:50.28 | brokencycle | jhutchtins_wk: hmmm? I don't see where to even specify a password that famd could use to contact rpcbind, on the same box. |
| 19:50.50 | simonlnu | for one arch |
| 19:50.51 | Krikkit_Cat | Every fiber of my being wants to rebel against this |
| 19:50.58 | Krikkit_Cat | but I completley understand |
| 19:51.02 | simonlnu | (IIRC) |
| 19:51.04 | mtn | oops, pm-hibernate, I think |
| 19:51.08 | oops | Executing pm-suspend suspends the computer but pm-hibernate does nothing. What's the issue? |
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| 19:51.50 | tremon | oops: pm-hibernate isn't chmod +x? |
| 19:52.07 | oops | tremon, the command executes and returns error code 1. |
| 19:52.18 | tremon | well you didn't say that |
| 19:52.23 | simonlnu | check syslog/dmesg |
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| 19:52.33 | Krikkit_Cat | Thanks BlitzHere, tremon, jordanm. I'll go grab a cup of coffee. If you guys need any help with your android devices, you can fine me always at verizons3 |
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| 19:52.52 | Raydiation | are setools only graphical tools? |
| 19:52.56 | Raydiation | for selinux? |
| 19:53.02 | oops | tremon, nothing in /var/log/messages, nothing in dmesg. |
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| 19:54.14 | tremon | Raydiation: some of the non-graphical tools are in selinux-utils |
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| 19:56.11 | tr4sk | dpkg: wheezy |
| 19:56.11 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:56.28 | tr4sk | dpkg: squeeze-»wheezy |
| 19:56.29 | dpkg | tr4sk: i don't know |
| 19:56.33 | tr4sk | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:56.33 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
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| 20:00.14 | tremon | questions his sanity after triggering 800 parallel queries at a postgres database |
| 20:01.26 | Raydiation | i installed selinux: apt-get install selinux-basics selinux-policy-default without recommended and suggested packages, ran selinux-activate and rebootet. Now i cant log into the server any more with ssh and password auth |
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| 20:01.44 | Raydiation | selinux is set to permissive |
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| 20:02.32 | Raydiation | sshd told me: connection refused |
| 20:02.37 | tremon | Raydiation: are you sure about that last part? |
| 20:03.04 | tremon | how do you know it's permissive? can you reach the console? |
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| 20:03.49 | peterrooney_ | Raydiation: sshd didn't tell you that |
| 20:03.53 | Raydiation | tremon: yes, rescue console |
| 20:03.55 | DammitJim | where do I get libglib-2.0.la ? |
| 20:04.07 | farciarz84 | hi, what do you think about linux mint debian edition? Is it worth a try? |
| 20:04.09 | Raydiation | peterrooney_: right, ssh did |
| 20:04.12 | Raydiation | when i connected |
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| 20:04.38 | tremon | Raydiation: rescue console? as in, sulogin or runlevel 1? |
| 20:04.45 | peterrooney_ | Raydiation: you never connected in the first place |
| 20:04.58 | Raydiation | tremon: the rescue service from my hoster |
| 20:05.34 | tremon | so, on a normal console... can you ssh localhost from there? |
| 20:06.10 | Raydiation | one second |
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| 20:07.15 | Raydiation | tremon: i chrooted into the installation ^^ |
| 20:07.25 | Raydiation | it reconnects to the rescue system |
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| 20:11.44 | oops | the reportbug tool irritates me like anything. It can't send the email, it can't save the bug report in TXT file. I would like to fix it. Any pointers on how to get its source code and start working on it? |
| 20:13.03 | Spec | Hmm. Is there a way to get 'apt-get' to pass a "--root=/different/root/" to dpkg? |
| 20:13.36 | tremon | Spec: you really don't want that |
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| 20:14.04 | nkuttler | Spec: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 20:14.33 | Spec | Coworker wants a package installed on an nfs mount, but maintained via apt |
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| 20:14.52 | mah454 | How can set file pattern permission in whole system ? for example userA can not play mp3 files . |
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| 20:15.46 | tremon | Spec: then extract the package, adjust the paths and create a new package |
| 20:15.57 | Spec | That is better than something like -o Dir=? |
| 20:16.00 | jelly-home | Spec: rebuild and repackage with an appropriate prefix, or move and symlink relevant directories post-install time |
| 20:16.09 | Spec | yes, in the past we move and symlink |
| 20:16.18 | Spec | but he's trying to get this to be puppetized |
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| 20:18.43 | Raydiation | does debian automatically set the selinux context when i run updates or installations? |
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| 20:18.55 | simonlnu | oops: you're doing it wrong then |
| 20:19.10 | Raydiation | or do i have to run restorecon -vR / every time ? |
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| 20:19.28 | Spec | What if I create the symlinks first, and install the package afterwards? Will apt-get extract to the paths directed by the symlinks, or will it simply overwrite them? |
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| 20:20.34 | tremon | Spec: the question you should be asking is what happens when the package is upgraded |
| 20:21.09 | johndoe | is it possible to install a fresh debian system from another partition? this is bootstrapping? any tuts? |
| 20:21.22 | Spec | tremon: if apt-get didn't overwrite the symlinks, it's upgrade behavior would be similar, right? |
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| 20:21.40 | tremon | no it won't |
| 20:22.02 | tremon | apt-get removes packages before extracting the new version |
| 20:22.12 | tremon | iirc |
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| 20:25.30 | anotherone | for this, the linux world would never believe http://www.osnews.com/comments/26194 |
| 20:25.36 | anotherone | valve steam goes to linux lolllll |
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| 20:26.56 | simonlnu | old news, and off-topic |
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| 20:27.26 | jelly-home | yay misplaced enthusiasm! boo ubuntu only |
| 20:28.12 | anotherone | the only thing that few people dont migrate to linux was games. now will be different |
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| 20:28.18 | BlitzHere | If it runs on ubuntu, I'm pretty sure it can be made to run on debian |
| 20:28.24 | anotherone | i hate ubuntu, feel like using win |
| 20:29.27 | jelly-home | BlitzHere: any linux software can be made to run on any distro. Whether the vendor's going to support your hacked environment when bugs appear is a different issue. |
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| 20:30.28 | engla | it's tricky sometimes. unity looks to be very hard to port from ubuntu to even debian |
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| 20:31.04 | _aeris_ | hello #debian ! |
| 20:31.15 | _aeris_ | i have some trouble with gcc debian hardening |
| 20:31.16 | simonlnu | hello _aeris_ |
| 20:31.26 | BlitzHere | jelly-home: I'm hoping valve doesn't actively try to block non ubuntu users. Anyway, valve gets more busines and they can claim that it was an unsupported system if something crashes. Win win for everyone |
| 20:31.42 | _aeris_ | i try to install some ruby lib from gems but compilation fails because of hardening, and no way to disable it… |
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| 20:32.04 | _aeris_ | is there some way to disable debian hardening when compiling ? |
| 20:32.13 | jelly-home | BlitzHere: I would if I were that vendor and if people were causing a significant amount of support requests. |
| 20:32.17 | simonlnu | gem2deb it, then fix |
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| 20:33.15 | _aeris_ | this is not so simple simonlnu, my project must be installable on any machine « simply » |
| 20:33.15 | simonlnu | preferably upstream would support hardening ;) |
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| 20:33.26 | simonlnu | um. yes. |
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| 20:33.46 | _aeris_ | so « bundle » on other machines than mine will fail too |
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| 20:33.59 | simonlnu | s/than/then/ |
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| 20:34.23 | engla | what is debian hardening? |
| 20:34.30 | jelly-home | EVERYTHING |
| 20:34.35 | ksuhku | a deviant sexual practice |
| 20:34.44 | simonlnu | you have no idea what i said, do you. gcc hardening flags. wrong terminology used by op. |
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| 20:35.05 | _aeris_ | yes, but only debian activate them by default :þ |
| 20:35.06 | jordanm | the tech-ctte ruled that no patches that force hardening flags would be applied |
| 20:35.28 | jelly-home | jordanm: for now? |
| 20:35.32 | jordanm | ubuntu patched to enable them by default. in debian its an opt-in via dpkg-buildflags |
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| 20:35.36 | jordanm | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552688 |
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| 20:35.41 | jelly-home | a sad day |
| 20:36.05 | jelly-home | then again, debian has quite a bit of a larger library |
| 20:36.33 | simonlnu | s/quite a bit of a larger/a/ |
| 20:36.57 | jordanm | jelly-home: IIRC part of the problem was the GCC maintainer didn't aggree with patching, so the tech-ctte would actually have to rule to apply patches to a package against the maintainer |
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| 20:37.19 | _aeris_ | why debian enforce those flags |
| 20:37.31 | _aeris_ | there is a lot of app not ready for this |
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| 20:37.34 | jordanm | it doesn't enforce them, I just said that |
| 20:37.38 | jordanm | read the bug report |
| 20:37.48 | jordanm | ubuntu does, which is not debian |
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| 20:38.19 | zagabar | Hey. I am trying to get skype working on debian 64 bit. It is using the sid repos and is fully up to date. Getting the 64-bit skype .deb and instaling does not work as according to this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/skype Although the 32 bit does not either despite following the guide |
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| 20:38.34 | jelly-home | jordanm: that's a sounds technical reason to switch to ubuntu |
| 20:38.35 | zagabar | this is when trying to dpkg the package http://pastebin.com/sqsQDhqE |
| 20:38.37 | jelly-home | sound* |
| 20:38.51 | zagabar | and apt-get install -f does nothing |
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| 20:39.32 | jordanm | jelly-home: just as much as default selinux policy configuration is a technical reason to switch to fedora? |
| 20:39.45 | nkuttler | zagabar: well the error tells you which deps are missing. you should also be talking to skype support |
| 20:40.04 | _aeris_ | jordanm > i don't know if debian enforce them or not, but since my last gcc upgrade, nothing compile on my computer… |
| 20:40.05 | engla | zagabar: multiarch. you need to add i386 for this to (maybe) work |
| 20:40.12 | jordanm | zagabar: I doubt upstream skype supports unstable |
| 20:40.14 | jelly-home | jordanm: pretty much! |
| 20:40.25 | _aeris_ | and no way to revert to last behaviour without hardening |
| 20:40.30 | nkuttler | has some ancient skype installed on wheezy |
| 20:40.39 | nkuttler | but i have no idea if it even starts.. |
| 20:40.47 | jordanm | _aeris_: last gcc upgrade? what version of debian? |
| 20:40.50 | jelly-home | jordanm: it works there, so if you need it... |
| 20:40.59 | zagabar | engla: Well I did add it as according to the guide. |
| 20:41.09 | jordanm | jelly-home: I will keep my 30k packages instead |
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| 20:41.29 | jelly-home | jordanm: you're hereby allowed to |
| 20:41.31 | _aeris_ | jordanm > testing, gcc version 4.7.1 (Debian 4.7.1-2) |
| 20:41.42 | jordanm | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 20:41.54 | jordanm | _aeris_: if you don't want things to change and possibly break, don't use testing |
| 20:41.56 | engla | zagabar: well then install the dependencies by hand |
| 20:42.01 | jordanm | pretty simple |
| 20:42.45 | engla | _aeris_: which are the hardening flags that cause trouble? |
| 20:43.12 | _aeris_ | jordanm > at this time, this is my « fault », but with next debian release, i don't imagine all this not-debian related libs will be fixed, so a LOT of app won't be usable |
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| 20:43.31 | _aeris_ | engla > seems -Werror=format-security |
| 20:43.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps anybody use nautilus with xmonad? |
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| 20:43.57 | jordanm | _aeris_: override the default in your makefile? |
| 20:44.09 | _aeris_ | jordanm > this is not my makefile… |
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| 20:44.25 | _aeris_ | i dev on a ruby app, needs some external ruby gems |
| 20:44.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | was wondering how to get naut to stop messing with my screen, and preventing me from moving my windows into one of the screens? sorry don't know how to discribe it |
| 20:44.38 | engla | aether: can't you just fix those warnings? |
| 20:44.40 | _aeris_ | this is those gems which can't be install |
| 20:44.49 | engla | _aeris_: ^ |
| 20:45.05 | _aeris_ | this is not my code which fail |
| 20:45.10 | jordanm | gems that won't install or do unexpected things... I don't see anything unusual there |
| 20:45.20 | zagabar | engla: Okay I'll try thanks :) |
| 20:45.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... NM |
| 20:46.05 | _aeris_ | when running bundle, setup fail on nokogiri or eventmachine |
| 20:46.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | i figured it out nautilus is da bomb.. |
| 20:46.19 | _aeris_ | because native extension can't be build |
| 20:48.09 | simonlnu | jordanm: no kidding, i've lost count on how many gems i've seen fail installation (gotten from `gem install') |
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| 20:48.37 | _aeris_ | simonlnu > no problem on stable with this app |
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| 20:54.53 | bbqgates | Hello |
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| 20:55.11 | bbqgates | Does squeeze still use a Xorg.conf file? |
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| 20:57.47 | forestbird | chromium now crashes my macbook since a few days... not sure where to look for... everything freezes and I have to turn the power off/on... running sid. it seems to happen on JS intensive sites... maybe html5. for example on the chrome extensions site sometimes. any idea? |
| 20:58.28 | karlpinc | bbqgates: It's not required. |
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| 21:01.00 | bbqgates | karlpinc, ah ok ... I'm trying to get an old card with S-video out to display out to an old CRT tv as it's primary display |
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| 21:33.31 | tharkun | dkr: thanks a lot for your link. The term was Captive Portal and none of the ones I've found is suported by Debian. |
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| 21:35.59 | tharkun | !msg dpkg bsd |
| 21:36.07 | mstrcnvs | upon running 'update-initramfs -u' I'm getting this following warning: codepad.org/7J33VN4U. are they normal? |
| 21:36.16 | mstrcnvs | http://codepad.org/7J33VN4U |
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| 21:37.04 | arthurdent | how would i get an "rc.local" style script to run at shutdown? |
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| 21:37.28 | jagginess | says mstrcnvs is using linux-mint asked on #linux |
| 21:38.10 | mstrcnvs | I'm using LMDE, a rolling-release distribution based on Debian Sid |
| 21:38.13 | jagginess | mstrcnvs, i always log on to three linux channels.. linux-mint is a derivative, but they mod things. this channel is for non-derivatives.. |
| 21:38.15 | jagginess | !mint |
| 21:38.15 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 21:38.30 | mstrcnvs | ok, I'll go there, thank you |
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| 21:42.51 | barhom | Im running a production level server using two SSD as boot device on Debian 6.0.5 stable. My question, would you recommend installing kernel 3.2 via back ports in order to enable TRIM on the ssd's or would you stay at stable environment without back ports and run FSTRIM once a day? |
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| 21:44.33 | pparadis | barhom: in general, i would choose the latter option. |
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| 21:44.51 | pparadis | barhom: unless you really, really want to run the backported kernel. |
| 21:45.07 | barhom | The ONLY reason I would run the back ported kernel would be for TRIM |
| 21:45.16 | barhom | but I don't see it as good enough reason as it *might* break other things |
| 21:45.25 | pparadis | indeed, better safe than sorry. |
| 21:46.00 | barhom | True, ok, next, ext3 (as debians default) or change the to ext4 ? |
| 21:46.14 | pparadis | i continue to use ext3 on damn near everything. |
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| 21:46.38 | pparadis | it's kinda the same philosophy of "unless i have a compelling reason to change this, i will stick with what works now." |
| 21:46.41 | jordanm | I have used ext4 in production for quite a while |
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| 21:47.19 | pparadis | nod, as have many people. still, when it comes to defaults --> http://frm.li/3frQmD |
| 21:47.39 | pparadis | also... |
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| 21:47.42 | barhom | only reason I ran ext4 was because it was needed for TRIM |
| 21:48.07 | pparadis | sure |
| 21:48.14 | kevlarman | by that argument lots of people are running 3.2's in production |
| 21:48.35 | jordanm | barhom: upgrading your kernel is easy to do later, changing filesystems not so much |
| 21:48.48 | jordanm | although ext3->4 is possible since it just requires enabling features |
| 21:48.54 | pparadis | ext3 does support offline trimming, btw. |
| 21:49.06 | barhom | pparadis: can you elaborate? you mean like fstrim? |
| 21:49.12 | pparadis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Operating_system_support |
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| 21:50.11 | barhom | I think Ill stick to ext3 and no TRIM support and cron fstrim at night to do the trimming. That should keep the SSD healthy and when debian feels like 3.2 is "stable" (whenever that happens) changing to ext4 shouldn't be that much of a trouble |
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| 21:50.36 | jordanm | barhom: that will be when the RC bug count hits 0 and wheezy releases |
| 21:50.39 | jelly-home | kevlarman: that's true. It's easy to upgrade just the kernel and keep the rest of the system in place. |
| 21:50.43 | pparadis | wheezy going stable shouldn't be too long down the road (well, depending on your definition of too long i guess) |
| 21:50.44 | edson_kurumim | Hello |
| 21:51.50 | barhom | "The next release of Debian is codenamed wheezy — no release date has been set" Might take a while - but I heard they are gonna freeze it any day now |
| 21:52.04 | teratorn | oooooooh |
| 21:52.05 | abrotman | it's already frozen |
| 21:52.09 | teratorn | really? |
| 21:52.11 | barhom | oh, they did? |
| 21:52.20 | teratorn | how the hell do people find out about these things in advance? |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | 2-3 weeks ago .. glad you're on top of things |
| 21:52.34 | teratorn | without reading endless mailing lists, I mean |
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| 21:52.50 | abrotman | right .. you'd like us to personally notify you ? |
| 21:52.56 | teratorn | yes |
| 21:53.04 | teratorn | first class post is fine |
| 21:53.09 | trysten | laughs |
| 21:53.10 | abrotman | email2post |
| 21:53.29 | abrotman | teratorn: PS, /topic |
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| 21:55.01 | jordanm | teratorn: debian-devel-announce isn't a really busy list |
| 21:55.19 | arthurdent | how can i get an rc.local style script for shuttingdown / restarting? I just want to clear a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ every time the system is turned off or restarted |
| 21:55.54 | jordanm | for that, just set an @reboot cron |
| 21:56.04 | teratorn | jordanm: does that get pre-freeze warnings and such? |
| 21:56.11 | barhom | btw - generally speaking, on a good managed LAN - running nfsroot to boot a system from a NFSROOT (over gigabit), shouldn't it more or less get ~100mb/s throughput and really good I/O? (using SSD as the NFS server) |
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| 21:56.30 | dondelelcaro | teratorn: yes |
| 21:56.37 | teratorn | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 21:56.41 | jordanm | teratorn: not really, there is no warning. there is somewhat of a "planned" freeze, but its pretty much just announced one day by the release team |
| 21:56.48 | abrotman | teratorn: it's also publicly archived if you'd prefer to read it at your leisure |
| 21:56.57 | dondelelcaro | teratorn: though I can give you a warning right now, that we'll almost certainly be freezing the next stable release two years from now too |
| 21:57.15 | arthurdent | jordanm: will that also happen at shutdown? |
| 21:57.29 | abrotman | arthurdent: @reboot triggers at startup .. which file are you trying to remove ? |
| 21:57.34 | teratorn | well |
| 21:57.45 | jordanm | and why is it being recreated? |
| 21:57.58 | arthurdent | abrotman: 70-persistent-net.rules so it can repopulate |
| 21:58.02 | teratorn | I had some back burner stuff/releases. it would be super nice if I had warning to get updated packaging out. |
| 21:58.08 | davidWork | How long should it take for bind to transfer a zone from the master to the slave? |
| 21:58.15 | dondelelcaro | davidWork: almost instantly |
| 21:58.15 | jordanm | arthurdent: its not very persistent if you are constantly changing it :) |
| 21:58.17 | davidWork | It used to happen in under a second |
| 21:58.25 | dondelelcaro | davidWork: if it's taking longer than a minute, something is wrong. |
| 21:58.27 | arthurdent | jordanm: exactly :P |
| 21:58.34 | davidWork | I see in the logs that it recieved the update |
| 21:58.40 | davidWork | but the zone is not changed |
| 21:58.44 | davidWork | at least for a while |
| 21:58.49 | abrotman | arthurdent: but you shouldn't have to do it every boot ? |
| 21:59.04 | dondelelcaro | davidWork: did the serial increment? did you actually query the dns server? or were you stuck waiting for a TTL to timeout? |
| 21:59.20 | davidWork | I only incramented the serial. No actual change |
| 21:59.22 | arthurdent | abrotman: but i have to do it enough that i don't want to have to do it manually |
| 21:59.38 | abrotman | arthurdent: so what's wrong with a basic script? |
| 21:59.55 | arthurdent | abrotman: what do you mean a basic script? |
| 22:00.00 | arthurdent | like rc0 and rc6? |
| 22:00.09 | abrotman | arthurdent: #!/bin/bash rm /etc/foo/file |
| 22:00.17 | arthurdent | because i don't want to forget to run it |
| 22:00.30 | arthurdent | and then image 300 machines and all of them have no networking because their network cards show up as eth1 |
| 22:00.35 | abrotman | yes .. i know .. but you can drop it in init.d and link to it from rc0 and rc6 ? |
| 22:00.55 | Lis | Hello everyone. I use this machine as desktop computer and do not need exim4 to be installed. Other services like cron need an mta, is there an alternative like an "offline mta"? |
| 22:01.30 | abrotman | Lis: you can configure it for local mail only, is that not good enough ? |
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| 22:01.47 | jordanm | its configured for local mail only by default |
| 22:02.32 | Lis | ok. And which packages can be removed for the smallest exim setup possible? |
| 22:02.52 | jordanm | I also believe that exim4-daemon-light is the default rather than -heavy |
| 22:03.04 | jordanm | Lis: are you really low on disk space? |
| 22:03.21 | arthurdent | yeah exim4 is 61k... |
| 22:03.38 | Lis | jordanm, well no, but I like to keep systems clean. |
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| 22:04.00 | davidWork | can someone look at my bind log? http://pastebin.com/pc2X9R1D |
| 22:05.27 | davidWork | its not accepting zone transfers any more |
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| 22:06.25 | abrotman | are you sure you're checking the correct file ? |
| 22:07.04 | davidWork | yes. You can see its vyefield.com in both the log and the file i checked. |
| 22:07.16 | davidWork | plus a restart of the bind service will make it update once |
| 22:08.15 | davidWork | It has updated now. I guess it just takes a bout five minutes |
| 22:08.25 | davidWork | Why does it take any time if bind already knows about the update? |
| 22:08.35 | davidWork | the log update is instant |
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| 22:40.26 | smj | how do I remove or install a package which has failing preinst/postins/prerm/postrm scripts? |
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| 22:43.09 | dondelelcaro | smj: generally, you fix the scripts, then it'll install |
| 22:43.18 | dondelelcaro | smj: and if it's a debian package, please file bugs |
| 22:43.28 | dondelelcaro | (after checking that the bugs aren't already filed, of course) |
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| 22:48.11 | karlpinc | davidWork: Perhaps the client is caching? |
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| 22:51.53 | arthurdent | abrotman: i just tried writing a script and it didn't run, it has +x and i put it in init.d and symlinked it as K01remove-eth in rc0.d and rc6.d. It is supposed to echo some text to a file in /root but it never happens |
| 22:53.21 | abrotman | can you paste the script somewhere ? |
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| 22:55.17 | arthurdent | abrotman: http://pastie.org/4286755 |
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| 22:56.43 | karlpinc | arthurdent: It does not look like it's using the LSB dependency synatx. See "man insserv" and perhaps /usr/share/doc/insserv/. |
| 22:57.08 | karlpinc | arthurdent: Did the symlinks stay or are they gone? |
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| 22:57.23 | karlpinc | syntax |
| 22:57.34 | arthurdent | karlpinc: they're still there, are you sure about the syntax? that's what everythign else init.d looks like |
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| 22:58.17 | Lis | Totally awesome hardware acceleration for html5 in iceweasel does now work |
| 22:58.24 | karlpinc | arthurdent: Depends on if you're running insserv for parallel boot. It's the default. (And I wouldn't think the scripts would change anyway.) This is squeeze? |
| 22:58.39 | abrotman | arthurdent: and when do you check that they're still there? |
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| 22:59.04 | arthurdent | abrotman: check that what are still there? |
| 22:59.24 | abrotman | arthurdent: so /root/cleared doesn't show up ? |
| 22:59.30 | Lis | Does someone know how to enable html5 hw acceleration in chromium? |
| 22:59.30 | arthurdent | abrotman: correct |
| 22:59.58 | abrotman | do the statements echo ? |
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| 23:00.49 | arthurdent | abrotman: it shuts down too fast to see |
| 23:01.23 | arthurdent | Lis: type about:flags into chromium and look there |
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| 23:01.41 | abrotman | arthurdent: if you run it manually while the system is running ? |
| 23:02.17 | arthurdent | it clears it |
| 23:02.40 | arthurdent | Lis: also it's on by default i believe |
| 23:02.41 | abrotman | possible path issues upon shutdown ? |
| 23:03.02 | arthurdent | abrotman: I dunno |
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| 23:03.27 | abrotman | arthurdent: otherwise, looks okay to me |
| 23:03.58 | abrotman | arthurdent: can you put a 'set -x' on line2, and hten try again, should get more output i'd think |
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| 23:06.36 | Lis | arthurdent, yes thank you, there is a option for "Enable WebGL" hw accel works like a charm. But i actually think about boycotting chrome sience they now work with adobe to release the pepper flash plugin they may not have the priority developing html5 features |
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| 23:07.00 | arthurdent | Lis: chrome is made by google who dropped adobe flash in android 4.1 entirely |
| 23:07.04 | arthurdent | so i doubt you have anything to worry about |
| 23:07.26 | arthurdent | abrotman: and then reboot? I'm not going to see anythign because it literally shuts down in about 2 seconds |
| 23:07.27 | Lis | oh. i didnt knew that |
| 23:07.29 | abrotman | well, it was adobe that decided not to spuport mobile platforms |
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| 23:07.35 | abrotman | it wasn't Google's decision |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | arthurdent: ugh .. oh wait.. use "script" and have it output to a file |
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| 23:08.54 | abrotman | maybe .. |
| 23:09.05 | arthurdent | how do i use script? |
| 23:09.12 | Lis | ok actually you do not need to enable webgl for hw accel |
| 23:09.21 | Lis | at least not for youtube videos |
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| 23:09.36 | arthurdent | well if it's for flash you right click and go to settings and choose "enable hardware acceleration" |
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| 23:12.55 | Lis | No I only have gnash, which hasnt any hw accel options for me. |
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| 23:21.31 | txomon|home | I have the clock wrongly configured and I can't change it... any idea or help ? |
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| 23:21.46 | txomon|home | I am using debian wheezy with gnome shell |
| 23:21.49 | roe | txomon|home, have you tried ntpdate? |
| 23:22.29 | pparadis | !ntpdate |
| 23:22.30 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 23:22.31 | txomon|home | roe, at least configuring it, but it gets reseted or sth |
| 23:23.01 | roe | what does sth mean? |
| 23:23.07 | txomon|home | something |
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| 23:23.40 | roe | do you properly configure the time so that 'date' outputs the correct time and day and then at some point it is wrong again? |
| 23:23.42 | txomon|home | I click up in the center, clock settings, I activate ntp and after saving, when I open it once more, it gets reseted |
| 23:23.54 | txomon|home | date has wrong date |
| 23:24.06 | pparadis | do you need to set your timezone? |
| 23:24.06 | abrotman | !tell txomon|home about set the time |
| 23:24.12 | pparadis | http://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges |
| 23:24.40 | txomon|home | it is about if BIOS is UTC or not |
| 23:24.45 | txomon|home | and have no idea on how to change it |
| 23:24.50 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
| 23:25.21 | pparadis | the bot knows what time it is, yo. http://hemmingshouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/flavor-flav.jpg |
| 23:25.24 | pparadis | runs |
| 23:25.34 | pparadis | boyeeeeee! |
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| 23:28.25 | txomon|home | abrotman, saw it, but I don't know how to change the option that at install time I told that BIOS was in UTC... |
| 23:28.34 | txomon|home | (which actually isn't) |
| 23:29.30 | sneex | tell your time panel to change |
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| 23:30.03 | txomon|home | sneex, ? |
| 23:30.06 | gnarface | yea or just run ntpdate force it into UTC |
| 23:30.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:30.28 | abrotman | a) don't use ntpdate b) how woulld that help ? |
| 23:30.30 | gnarface | hwclock --systohc |
| 23:30.32 | sneex | up in the right corner -- no time displayed? |
| 23:30.35 | abrotman | txomon|home: /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:30.38 | gnarface | abramart: if you run hwclock --systohc after |
| 23:30.46 | abrotman | txomon|home: that will let you change that option |
| 23:30.46 | gnarface | abrotman: if you run hwclock --systohc after |
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| 23:33.39 | txomon|home | gnarface, and abrotman ty. It seems that I had to substitute UTC by LOCAL in /etc/adjtime |
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| 23:55.32 | \Jan | Does anyone know how to make an ipv4 to ipv6 tunnel through ssh? |
| 23:57.17 | arthurdent | look up 6to5 |
| 23:57.20 | arthurdent | look up 6to4 * |
| 23:57.55 | Dagger2 | ... 6to4 seems unlikely to help when the question had "through ssh" at the end |
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| 23:58.24 | Dagger2 | \Jan: you can just specify v4 and v6 endpoints to -L/-R if that does what you want |
