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| 00:10.49 | \Jan_ | I returned before I left |
| 00:10.51 | \Jan_ | brilliant |
| 00:11.23 | \Jan | So uh |
| 00:11.32 | Dagger2 | \Jan: you can just specify v4 and v6 endpoints to -L/-R if that does what you want |
| 00:11.50 | \Jan | What I wanted to do, basically a ssh -D but eith v4 -> v6 instead of v4 -> v4 |
| 00:12.07 | \Jan | Doesn't -R just specify port forwarding |
| 00:12.31 | Dagger2 | -D should do cross-protocol connections |
| 00:13.19 | txomon|home | the gnome-shell menu for configuring the date by network is not working properly... |
| 00:13.50 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:14.03 | abrotman | txomon|home: what does 'hwclock' say ? |
| 00:14.44 | txomon|home | actual time |
| 00:15.08 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:15.10 | txomon|home | it is still aplying the timezone... I _have_ to reboot? |
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| 00:16.38 | abrotman | txomon|home: what is "grep UTC /etc/default/rcS" ? |
| 00:16.46 | Manofthe1ea | Hello. I believe I already know the answer, but check my work. Debian doesn't provide a codec for H.264? |
| 00:17.17 | abrotman | judd: versions x264 |
| 00:17.19 | judd | Package: x264 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1:0.svn20090115-0.0; squeeze-backports: 2:0.120.2151+gita3f4407-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; experimental: 2:0.124.2198+git1c97f35-1; squeeze-multimedia: 3:0.118.2085+git8a62835-0.1+1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:0.122.2184+git5c85e0a-0.1; sid-multimedia: 3:0.124.2197+git69a0443-dmo1 |
| 00:17.20 | Diopter | Manofthe1ea: x264, libx264-123, libx264-124... just what I see offhand |
| 00:17.44 | txomon|home | abrotman, it is not relevant, it is now in /etc/adjtime |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | it is |
| 00:17.56 | txomon|home | and it is LOCAL (I changed it) |
| 00:18.35 | \Jan | Ah it does work with just -D |
| 00:18.36 | \Jan | heh |
| 00:18.40 | txomon|home | abrotman, it puts a message like this "# assume that the BIOS clock is set to UTC time (recommended);#UTC=yes # OBSOLETE; see /etc/adjtime and hwclock(8)." |
| 00:19.41 | \Jan | So how am I supposed to use ipv6 urls, when I wrap them with []s, iceweasel says "please enter a valid url" |
| 00:19.49 | \Jan | (but then still loads the page) |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | txomon|home: you're not on squeeze? |
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| 00:20.13 | txomon|home | abrotman, nope, I am in wheezy |
| 00:20.15 | abrotman | reads all the way back .. sorry |
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| 00:20.35 | Diopter | \Jan: Can you paste exactly what you're entering into the URL bar? |
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| 00:21.15 | Manofthe1ea | abrotman: thank you. with the x264... I have libx264. But totem says ffmpeg can't use it. I'll do a little more research. |
| 00:21.15 | \Jan | http://[2607:5300:10:101::1:247] |
| 00:21.32 | \Jan | It still loads fine, just every time I switch back to that tab it gives the error |
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| 00:22.10 | abrotman | txomon|home: don't think you have to restart .. |
| 00:22.14 | Dagger2 | that doesn't happen here (although in Nightly on Windows). maybe it's one of your extensions rather than the browser itself |
| 00:22.19 | Diopter | \Jan: Interesting. Looks like it might just be the Squeeze version of Iceweasel. |
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| 00:23.32 | \Jan | Erm, some corrections |
| 00:23.49 | \Jan | I'm using Aurora on Wheezy |
| 00:24.05 | Diopter | \Jan: So you're not even remotely close to Iceweasel then. Cool. |
| 00:24.51 | barhom | Im trying to stop and delete an array (mdadm) but whatever I do it just tells me that the array is busy - Ive done the usual, lsof, fuser etc to find what's using it but without any results. Can I not force it somehow? |
| 00:24.53 | \Jan | coughs |
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| 00:26.56 | abrotman | txomon|home: did you end up restarting the bo x? |
| 00:28.11 | txomon|home | abrotman, no |
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| 00:30.07 | txomon|home | I am doing it now, see u now! |
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| 00:32.52 | dvs | it's 10:32am! |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:33.11 | txomon|home | abrotman, not working |
| 00:33.13 | txomon|home | (the fix I mean) |
| 00:33.33 | abrotman | what is /etc/timezone ? |
| 00:34.15 | txomon|home | mine |
| 00:34.51 | txomon|home | and hwclock is displaying correct time |
| 00:34.57 | txomon|home | so same problem applies |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | hwclock --hwtosys ? |
| 00:36.23 | txomon|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | uh, yes |
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| 00:37.45 | txomon|home | abrotman, nothing |
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| 00:38.19 | txomon|home | ~$ cat /etc/adjtime ; 4.673292 1342751448 0.000000;1342751448; LOCAL |
| 00:38.33 | txomon|home | ; => \n |
| 00:39.02 | abrotman | nothing meaning what? |
| 00:39.11 | abrotman | is it off by a little bit, or hours? |
| 00:39.39 | txomon|home | ? |
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| 00:40.02 | txomon|home | abrotman, 2 hours |
| 00:40.03 | dvs | txomon|home: how much is the time off by? |
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| 00:40.07 | txomon|home | it is still aplying the timezone |
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| 00:40.13 | txomon|home | im in spain |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | you mean applying it twice ? |
| 00:40.29 | txomon|home | currently 2:40, but it says its 4:40 |
| 00:40.49 | txomon|home | abrotman, no, BIOS clock is in local timezone due to a windows installation |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | txomon|home: hwclock --noadjfile ? |
| 00:42.14 | txomon|home | pfff very weird thing |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | now it says you're in japan ? |
| 00:42.44 | txomon|home | in.ubuntu.com/1101114/ |
| 00:43.01 | txomon|home | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1101114/ |
| 00:43.28 | abrotman | that's awesome |
| 00:43.33 | txomon|home | yes |
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| 00:43.35 | txomon|home | it is |
| 00:43.36 | txomon|home | ;D |
| 00:44.09 | dvs | looks for Marty McFly, he arrived a week ago. |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | and 'date --utc' works correctly ? |
| 00:44.32 | txomon|home | abrotman, yes |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | txomon|home: back up your adjtime file .. edit it to make all numbers 0 |
| 00:46.40 | txomon|home | abrotman, but the first line is the GPS coordinates, aren't they? |
| 00:46.56 | txomon|home | the longitude |
| 00:47.18 | txomon|home | and no idea what means the rest. I am trying that |
| 00:48.05 | txomon|home | and now what? |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | they are not coordinates |
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| 00:49.28 | txomon|home | abrotman, the first one I think it is... but ok |
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| 00:49.50 | abrotman | txomon|home: no, not any coordinates |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | man 8 hwclock |
| 00:49.56 | penrod | greetings: would it fair to say this network card is hooped ? http://pastebin.ca/2172778 |
| 00:50.56 | txomon|home | so no idea |
| 00:51.46 | txomon|home | I did that and giving same output |
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| 00:52.27 | abrotman | hooped? |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | penrod: or bad cable? |
| 00:52.28 | abrotman | txomon|home: changing that file didn't impact anything ? |
| 00:52.33 | txomon|home | no |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | have you checked the actual bios clock ? |
| 00:52.52 | dvs | yeah |
| 00:53.02 | dvs | you took the words right out of my mouth |
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| 00:53.23 | txomon|home | abrotman, I haven't rebooted, and yes, same thing |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | you did reboot? |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | like ... 30 minutes ago? |
| 00:53.38 | penrod | abrotman: good idea, will check the cable as well. thanks kindly. |
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| 00:54.11 | txomon|home | abrotman, yes, but I would like not to reboot any more, if posible |
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| 00:55.53 | abrotman | txomon|home: all signs point to your OS being correct, this is why i'm asking about the actual BIOS clock |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | btw, those numbers in your adjtime should change over time |
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| 00:57.40 | Manofthe1ea | abrotman: would you happen to know whether h264 decoding is possible in wheezy? All I can find refers to Ubuntu |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | uhm .. can i get something to try it with? |
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| 00:58.29 | abrotman | !x264 |
| 00:58.30 | dpkg | x264 is a cross-platform free software library and application, for encoding video streams into the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC format. libx264-* and x264 packages are available in Debian from wheezy (and squeeze-backports) onwards. http://www.videolan.org/developers/x264.html #x264 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:58.34 | txomon|home | abrotman, may I set the clock? maybe it is just 2 hours after .... |
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| 00:58.37 | abrotman | jeez, i'd hope if we can encode, we can decode |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | txomon|home: i assumed you had ntp running already? |
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| 00:59.28 | Manofthe1ea | abrotman: I'd hope so too. It doesn't seem to be working for me, though. |
| 00:59.31 | txomon|home | abrotman, I don't have it. I just installed 1 min ago... how may I use it? I have tried (as I said before) enabling it, but the on button gets reseted |
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| 01:00.09 | abrotman | txomon|home: what?! |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | txomon|home: ntp shouldn't restart your box |
| 01:00.26 | txomon|home | I restarted it manually |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:00.34 | txomon|home | I meant |
| 01:01.01 | txomon|home | that in the gnome-shell interface, if you click in the calendar -> adjust time -> unlock -> enable network time |
| 01:01.05 | txomon|home | when you save it |
| 01:01.22 | txomon|home | and go back there next time, it is still disabled |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | i don't know what gnome usese for that |
| 01:01.37 | txomon|home | oki |
| 01:01.49 | freebird | you guys, please, with debian, I've setted my doc to iso-8859-1, and also eclipse, but I still can't get the ç, ó, é, etc ... should I install some kind of package ? please ? |
| 01:01.50 | txomon|home | how may I use ntp? |
| 01:01.53 | abrotman | txomon|home: let me look |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | txomon|home: you just install it, it runs |
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| 01:02.47 | abrotman | it will begin adjusting your clock if it is off |
| 01:02.49 | txomon|home | can't see it... I installed ntpdate package |
| 01:04.11 | abrotman | i said ntp .. not ntpdate |
| 01:04.28 | txomon|home | ^^! |
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| 01:05.27 | txomon|home | ok now it is allright |
| 01:05.57 | abrotman | now what is ? |
| 01:06.12 | abrotman | you installed the ntp package? |
| 01:06.21 | txomon|home | yes |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | and clock is fixed? |
| 01:07.00 | txomon|home | hwclock isn't |
| 01:07.10 | txomon|home | maybe clock hasn't been saved |
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| 01:07.19 | txomon|home | but date displays correct info |
| 01:07.59 | Manofthe1ea | I seem to think there have been other times where getting into a format was easier than getting out of that format. |
| 01:08.02 | abrotman | it may take a few tries |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | for txomon|home i mean |
| 01:08.12 | engla | freebird: hard to know what's wrong. "can't get" means.. you can't see é in a document you open? or you can't type é into a new document? |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | txomon|home: or you can use the --systohc |
| 01:09.04 | txomon|home | hummm |
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| 01:09.20 | txomon|home | utc is GTM + 0, isn't it? |
| 01:09.32 | dvs | yup |
| 01:09.34 | freebird | engla, won't show the letters with those special chars, like , é, ó, ú ã ê |
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| 01:10.29 | engla | freebird: you are opening an existing document? |
| 01:10.33 | txomon|home | so I am having a UTC== GTM+4 now ;( |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | GMT ? |
| 01:10.47 | freebird | yeah, but I've changed the charcode, and now it's default |
| 01:10.57 | txomon|home | yes, GMT :D |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | txomon|home: wait, your clock is correct, but 'date --utc' is now off by four hours ? |
| 01:11.18 | dvs | txomon|home: I'd seriously check the BIOS clock now. |
| 01:11.19 | txomon|home | no, hwclock --utc |
| 01:11.33 | txomon|home | date --utc is allright |
| 01:11.49 | txomon|home | and hwclock --localtime too |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | so .. look at the BIOS clock |
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| 01:11.57 | txomon|home | but hwclock --utc isn't |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | or keep telling us your clocks are wrong |
| 01:12.02 | Caelum | how do I make network-manager not ask for my root password when it needs to reconnect |
| 01:12.27 | txomon|home | hwclock is in local time |
| 01:12.33 | Caelum | it's getting tiresome to go open my laptop just to ssh to it |
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| 01:13.10 | Diopter | Caelum: Uhm, put your user in the netdev group? |
| 01:13.29 | Manofthe1ea | Caelum: you could use an ethernet cable. |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | isn't there also a checkbox to have be available to all users? |
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| 01:14.26 | Diopter | abrotman: There is but I'm betting the issue is device group permissions |
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| 01:22.54 | snarkpit | Hey is firefox not available by default? Don't see it in software center. |
| 01:23.06 | dvs | !mdn |
| 01:23.07 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 01:23.16 | pparadis | snarkpit: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 01:23.53 | txomon|home | is going to barcelona in 3 hours, so is going to sleep a little (3 hours) |
| 01:23.58 | txomon|home | bb! |
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| 01:24.14 | abrotman | snarkpit: it's called iceweasel in Debian |
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| 01:24.18 | dvs | and then the clock works! |
| 01:24.26 | snarkpit | Aye. Thanks, man. Do you know if Iceweasel will work with the pentadactyl extension? |
| 01:24.56 | pparadis | one way to find out. |
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| 01:25.31 | snarkpit | haha fair enough. |
| 01:25.42 | deadmund | I'm trying to install linberto (got it here: http://www.grigna.com/diego/linux/linberto/ ) but I get errors on make 'vga.h missing' so I did apt-file search and found some kernel headers that had that file so I installed that but make still complains about the same thing. Any suggestions? |
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| 01:26.49 | pparadis | deadmund: you probably need -dev packages as well to satisfy depenencies |
| 01:26.53 | engla | deadmund: probably not the kernel headers that are needed |
| 01:27.06 | pparadis | deadmund: it might be helpful if you can pastebin exactly what you're seeing. |
| 01:27.10 | pparadis | http://paste.debian.net |
| 01:27.12 | deadmund | pparadis, what dev packages specifically? Lemme look at what else apt-file said to me |
| 01:27.20 | deadmund | pparadis, I wil pastebin, hang on |
| 01:27.37 | pparadis | remember, you're sitting at your computer, but we're not :) |
| 01:27.38 | snarkpit | Dissapointing. Looked like it was going to go but then ended with "pentadactyl isn't compatable with iceweasel versoin *whatever*" probably need to update it to something outside the stable branch. |
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| 01:28.53 | deadmund | apt-file vga.h shows no *-dev packages. http://paste.debian.net/179869/ <-- paste from running make |
| 01:29.21 | deadmund | pparadis, ^ |
| 01:29.25 | deadmund | engla, ^ |
| 01:29.46 | dvs | ,file vga.h |
| 01:29.51 | judd | Search for vga.h in squeeze/i386: [truncated] libsvga1-dev: usr/include/vga.h; libqemu-dev: usr/include/qemu/hw/vmware_vga.h; liballegro4.2-dev: usr/include/allegro/internal/aintvga.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver/arch/x86/include/asm/vga.h, usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver/include/asm-generic/vga.h, usr/src/linux- |
| 01:29.52 | judd | headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver/include/linux/svga.h, usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-vserver/include/video/vga.h; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen: usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen/arch/x86/include/asm/vga.h, usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen/include/asm-generic/vga.h, usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common-xen/include/linux/svga.h, usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common- (3 more messages) |
| 01:30.02 | deadmund | this is powerpc |
| 01:30.35 | dvs | deadmund: looks like libsvga1-dev to me |
| 01:30.39 | pparadis | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libggi-target-svgalib |
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| 01:30.55 | abrotman | deadmund: did you apt-file update first ? |
| 01:31.13 | deadmund | abrotman, I didn't! :P |
| 01:31.18 | deadmund | how often should I do that? |
| 01:31.25 | deadmund | probs everytime I sit down to use it |
| 01:31.27 | pparadis | every time you want to search for something. |
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| 01:31.43 | pparadis | same as doing "apt-get update" before you install new packages or do upgrades. |
| 01:32.29 | pparadis | and yeah, this looks like the right package indeed --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libsvga1-dev |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | maybe not every time .. but often enough ... |
| 01:32.39 | pparadis | i pulled the trigger too fast on the earlier link. |
| 01:32.54 | pparadis | i don't install anything without prepending apt-get update :) |
| 01:33.10 | pparadis | i mean it takes a couple of seconds. |
| 01:33.12 | deadmund | my apt-get doesn't know about that package... |
| 01:33.47 | deadmund | yeah, the web page says it's i386 and amd64 but not ppc :( |
| 01:33.51 | pparadis | deadmund: did you do "apt-get update ; apt-get install libsvga1-dev" ? |
| 01:33.58 | pparadis | oh |
| 01:34.02 | pparadis | well, that's that then. |
| 01:34.26 | deadmund | yeah :( |
| 01:34.28 | deadmund | No game for me! |
| 01:34.31 | deadmund | :( :( |
| 01:34.34 | abrotman | hold on a second |
| 01:34.38 | pparadis | you can always go get the source yourself |
| 01:34.51 | deadmund | pparadis, ? I have the source, that's what I'm doing, trying to compile |
| 01:35.02 | pparadis | i mean the source for libsvga |
| 01:35.13 | deadmund | pparadis, I'll try it. I have time to kill. |
| 01:35.15 | pparadis | although i might add "does this game claim to support your architecture?" |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | there's a vga.h in the kernel headers .. not goo denough ? |
| 01:35.38 | pparadis | abrotman: i'm pretty sure that's not what he's looking for (well, what his code is looking for) |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | beggars can't be choosers? |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:35.58 | deadmund | what's the difference between orig and debian in those source links on that page for the package? |
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| 01:36.14 | deadmund | abrotman, I have the kernel headers, that didn't makea difference |
| 01:36.16 | pparadis | it seems with PPC that there's probably going to be significant differences in how that library talks directly to the VGA hardware. |
| 01:36.39 | Manofthe1ea | http://pastebin.com/1r7Tx6Z9 |
| 01:36.45 | pparadis | the game may well just not support your architecture explicitly, unless you feel like hacking direct hardware interface code yourself. |
| 01:36.50 | deadmund | pparadis, Are you saying I should not try to compile libsvga1-dev ? |
| 01:36.53 | Manofthe1ea | gstreamer can't find h264 decoder? |
| 01:37.16 | pparadis | deadmund: you can try whatever you want, i'm just saying i expect problems :) |
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| 01:38.03 | Manofthe1ea | I have libgstx264.so and libgsth264parse.so. |
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| 01:39.07 | pparadis | deadmund: this is the most recent thing i can find regarding svgalib on ppc linux --> http://my.svgalib.org/svgalib/hypermail/1325.html |
| 01:39.13 | pparadis | it does not seem promising. |
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| 01:41.07 | deadmund | oh boy! this thing is huge |
| 01:41.14 | abrotman | HUGE! |
| 01:41.25 | pparadis | is it over 9000? |
| 01:41.26 | deadmund | HHUUGGEE |
| 01:41.29 | deadmund | ha |
| 01:41.37 | pparadis | turn it up to 11. |
| 01:41.45 | Manofthe1ea | Like an X-box? |
| 01:41.55 | dvs | Spinal Tap! |
| 01:42.08 | pparadis | dvs: indeed, it's one louder. mo betta. |
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| 01:44.21 | deadmund | It wants libvga.so.1.4.3 and apt-file doesn't know anything about it :( |
| 01:44.27 | deadmund | I'll just find a flash clone lawl |
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| 02:10.21 | Manofthe1ea | hmm... Why would avplay work while gstreamer doesn't? Don't they use the same backend? |
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| 02:11.08 | abrotman | do they? look at the depends |
| 02:12.59 | Manofthe1ea | avplay (from av-tools) depends on a bunch of stuff that gstreamer-ffmpeg already installed. |
| 02:13.43 | Manofthe1ea | while gstreamer-ffmpeg depends on libgstreamer-plugins |
| 02:14.12 | Manofthe1ea | so, avplay doesn't use gstreamer plugins? |
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| 02:16.39 | deadmund | Hi, me again. Trying to get linberto running on a regular i686 kernel / machine now. I got in compiled and installed (and svgalib1-dev is installed). When I run it, it wants to be run as root. If I run it as root I get a black screen that I cannot switch out of (not even to ttyX). http://www.grigna.com/diego/linux/linberto/ |
| 02:16.53 | tensorpudding | what is linberto |
| 02:17.10 | deadmund | qbert clone |
| 02:17.12 | deadmund | it's a game |
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| 02:18.12 | tensorpudding | no game should require you to run it as root..should it |
| 02:18.49 | deadmund | tensorpudding: no, it is silly. Techincally it's svgalib that wants to be root. Here is the FAQ: http://www.svgalib.org/svgalib.user.faq.html#q8 |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | uh, no |
| 02:19.11 | deadmund | Number 8 |
| 02:19.23 | tensorpudding | setuid on a game? that seems a bit crazy |
| 02:19.35 | deadmund | Welcome to the crazy world of linberto |
| 02:19.59 | deadmund | If anyone can suggest a way to play a qbert clone on linux (ppc, i686, or android) I'm open to suggestions |
| 02:20.07 | deadmund | This 'linberto' is very old anyway |
| 02:20.20 | tensorpudding | afraid i wouldn't know |
| 02:20.47 | deadmund | What are you doing all day that is more important than free qbert clones in 2012?!? |
| 02:20.58 | tensorpudding | i never played qbert |
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| 02:21.50 | Manofthe1ea | not played qbert? !@#$%^&* |
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| 02:22.45 | tensorpudding | i was too young |
| 02:23.03 | simonlnu | qbert... haven't heard that name in years... |
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| 02:23.30 | tensorpudding | the qbert popularity ended around 1990, before i played video games |
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| 02:24.26 | simonlnu | deadmund: rewrite it? :) |
| 02:24.30 | deadmund | haha |
| 02:24.32 | deadmund | stupid qbert |
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| 02:25.57 | dvs | deadmund: #@**%*#! |
| 02:26.04 | tensorpudding | there are emulators for systems that had qbert games for them, if you want to negotiate the thorny copyright |
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| 02:29.32 | deadmund | http://www.airtightinteractive.com/demos/flash/qbert/ |
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| 03:04.14 | Azelphur | I'm trying to install debian squeeze+lxde on an old laptop from USB, I'm using PLoP to jump into a USB installer, the installer starts, asks me a couple of questions (language), and then it says "Incorrect CD-ROM detected, The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation." anyone know how I can work around this? |
| 03:04.41 | sney | PLoP? |
| 03:05.07 | Azelphur | sney: it's a boot CD that just jumps you to USB, for old machines that don't support boot from USB. |
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| 03:05.53 | sney | ok, and did you write the lxde+xfce iso directly to the usb device |
| 03:07.00 | Azelphur | sney: yea, I used this tool to prepare the USB stick, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ |
| 03:07.20 | Azelphur | it works ok with Ubuntu installers, but not with the Debian one |
| 03:07.49 | sney | this is probably because the debian iso is a hybrid image |
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| 03:08.08 | sney | try just writing it _directly_ to the usb stick, with dd or cat |
| 03:08.29 | Azelphur | I see |
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| 03:09.25 | Azelphur | sney: so just dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdf ? |
| 03:09.32 | sney | yep |
| 03:09.41 | sney | and make sure you 'sync' before removing it |
| 03:10.23 | Azelphur | :) |
| 03:10.44 | Azelphur | is sync a command? I didn't know you needed to do anything short of unmount on usb sticks |
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| 03:10.57 | sney | sync is a command, it synchronizes all of the cached writes |
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| 03:11.21 | Azelphur | ah, I see |
| 03:11.29 | sney | linux caches a lot of disk i/o to speed things up, so you need to make sure it actually writes to disk before unplugging something hotpluggable |
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| 03:11.45 | Manofthe1ea | shouldn't umounting the USB do that? |
| 03:12.05 | sney | not if it isn't mounted to begin with, as with the dd command we were talking about |
| 03:12.23 | gnarface | i figured the dd command would also bypass such caching though |
| 03:12.35 | Azelphur | indeed, never done sync before when using dd, but can't hurt :) |
| 03:12.36 | gnarface | i've never once bothered to run sync after a dd and had it fail |
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| 03:13.02 | sney | I learned that one the hard way and so have a lot of people asking for help here. ymmv of course |
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| 03:19.51 | Azelphur | sney: yup that solved it ty, hopefully debian will work on this laptop a bit better than Ubuntu did ;) |
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| 03:20.40 | sney | Azelphur: no problem, hope it works out |
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| 03:39.05 | barhom | I bet there is a 'one and only' server NIC PCI-e like >80% recommend, which one is it? |
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| 03:40.38 | Diopter | barhom: Intel e1000's |
| 03:41.09 | Diopter | Which are not called that in their model numbers, but that's the driver they're subsumed under. e1000 and e1000e |
| 03:41.50 | gnarface | eh |
| 03:41.56 | gnarface | its alright |
| 03:42.05 | gnarface | kinda overpriced |
| 03:43.04 | barhom | gnarface: what's the cheaper alternative? (Just for information, Ill probably go e1000) |
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| 03:45.04 | sney | cheaper alternative is probably something realtek, which falls under the "works usually" heading |
| 03:45.11 | Diopter | gnarface: i have to immediately think you've never run lots of NICs in production if you think an e1000 is "alright" |
| 03:45.24 | Diopter | sney: ... wow. For a server NIC? |
| 03:45.27 | barhom | Diopter: thanks. Im looking to keep my NFS traffic (nfsrooted OS's) on a separate NIC to see if it fixes some problems with current setup. Bonnie++ over NFS on a network that has an average of 200mbit traffic is giving me some headache with it loosing connections. and over UDP i see too much retrans |
| 03:45.51 | Diopter | barhom: Probably due to the lack of interrupt coalescence and shaping |
| 03:46.07 | Diopter | barhom: You're probably saturating the core the IRQ is bound to with soft-interrupts |
| 03:46.24 | sney | Diopter: fsvo server. anything that hosts a service on a network is a server. I administer a small business server that has 2 nics, a realtek and a via rhine II |
| 03:46.25 | Diopter | Because, again, only e1000's don't suck at real production-grade traffic |
| 03:46.51 | sney | e1000 is the big'un though. there would be a 3com up there if 3com hadn't folded |
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| 03:46.54 | barhom | Diopter: are you saying I can probably fix my problem at my current NIC? |
| 03:47.23 | Diopter | barhom: Not unless your current NIC has a driver worth anything. Which only a very few qualify for |
| 03:48.34 | Diopter | barhom: If it's a Broadcom, Realtek, nForce, VIA, D-Link, NetGear... you're probably out of luck. |
| 03:48.43 | barhom | the NFS server is using a broad com (BCM95723) and it has about 200mbit incoming traffic (not counting NFS) incoming for the past ~6months without hiccups |
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| 03:49.11 | Diopter | barhom: Open top, hit '1' to show per-core stats, and see if si (soft interrupts) are really high on one of the cores |
| 03:49.16 | barhom | Diopter: so, if I just take your advice (and Im willing to do) - you would say, suck it up and go buy an intel nic to run your NFS server from? |
| 03:49.36 | barhom | (the client is running e1000, but not the nfs server) |
| 03:49.50 | sney | e1000 nics are not *that* expensive anyway, you can get them for pretty reasonable prices especially on ebay from systems that have been parted out |
| 03:49.58 | evilytwisted | Hi, i know from well warned friends that mint or ubuntu isnt your problem nor will you ever support ubuntu or mint.... stating that..i dont think this is either of it.. its more of a sound problem from debian based system.... im trying to play postal2 native format for linux,.. i followed these instructuions given here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408709 but still no luck |
| 03:50.11 | evilytwisted | could i get help or suggestions at all please? |
| 03:50.20 | Diopter | barhom: My previous position at my employer was Linux network engineering on a 3500 box hosted email cluster, with a full infrastructure of linux firewalls, gateways and load-balancers on the interior, behind the datacenter's Cisco aggregators |
| 03:50.27 | evilytwisted | the sound doesnt work at all yet it works on everything else |
| 03:50.28 | sney | evilytwisted: sorry, #debian only supports real debian systems. |
| 03:50.36 | evilytwisted | ok ty |
| 03:50.41 | Diopter | barhom: And I've seen a ton of non-Intel NICs on boxes fail miserably under load |
| 03:50.42 | Azelphur | Ok dumb question incoming, how do I get this laptop to connect to the internet? it has an ethernet cable, ip addr shows eth0, but it doesn't seem to be connecting. |
| 03:50.54 | sney | evilytwisted: we'd be glad to support you if you were using debian |
| 03:51.04 | evilytwisted | but its debian based :( |
| 03:51.11 | barhom | Diopter: Even on hardware from Dell/HP (1U racks)? |
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| 03:51.26 | barhom | I mean, you would think they wouldn't choose hardware that would suck, but I guess Im wrong? |
| 03:51.41 | Diopter | barhom: You're talking about onboard NICs. |
| 03:51.46 | barhom | yes |
| 03:51.48 | sney | evilytwisted: as soon as your distro vendor forked the OS, they denied their users official debian support and took it into their own hands. Ubuntu and Mint both have big support channels. what's wrong with them? |
| 03:51.52 | Diopter | They're almost always the cheapest they can find :P |
| 03:52.10 | barhom | dang |
| 03:52.22 | evilytwisted | sney: they dont know how to help with my problem |
| 03:52.23 | barhom | and here I was thinking I bought server hardware |
| 03:52.29 | evilytwisted | ive asked both channels |
| 03:52.40 | Diopter | barhom: Well, you did, and they'll transfer you some megabits. And that's okay for a lot of things. |
| 03:52.59 | Diopter | barhom: But if you get high throughput traffic (lots of small packets), you'll start overloading cores with driver interrupts |
| 03:53.05 | sney | evilytwisted: well, even if you were using debian, you won't find a lot of gamers here... you might want to figure out what engine that game uses and see if there's a more general fix for something else that uses it |
| 03:53.09 | Diopter | barhom: And broadcom sucks at interrupt throttling |
| 03:53.18 | Diopter | (their software/firmware) |
| 03:53.21 | Azelphur | anyone? it doesn't seem to give me any options anywhere to make it connect to the internet, been through all the menus I can see. |
| 03:53.25 | barhom | Diopter: and that top thing (and hitting 1) was that supposed to be done on the ifs server or client? |
| 03:53.32 | sney | I've never seen a HP server without an intel nic but I've been out of the datacenter business a long time |
| 03:53.35 | sney | Azelphur: dhclient? |
| 03:53.47 | Azelphur | sney: tried that too, it doesn't seem to be installed ootb |
| 03:53.55 | Diopter | barhom: Server. The one with the questionable NIC. |
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| 03:54.07 | Diopter | Azelphur: Are you sure you're on Debian...? Maybe try dhcpcd |
| 03:54.11 | sney | Azelphur: that's pretty weird. |
| 03:54.20 | barhom | sney: got a DL120 HP g6 here without a intel nic |
| 03:54.47 | sney | Azelphur: note that dhclient is in /sbin so a regular user won't see it by default, root can use it |
| 03:54.55 | Azelphur | Diopter: yep, the iso I downloaded is debian-6.0.5-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 03:55.11 | Diopter | Azelphur: Not sure why you're not using the debian-installer, which does this for you |
| 03:55.14 | Diopter | But ok |
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| 03:55.26 | Azelphur | sney: ah, that's got it :) |
| 03:55.27 | sney | that cd-1 is one version of d-i |
| 03:55.40 | Azelphur | yay, and we have a connection \o/ |
| 03:55.46 | sney | !congratulate Azelphur |
| 03:55.47 | dpkg | Good show Azelphur, you did it! |
| 03:56.07 | Azelphur | is there a snazzy wifi management tool I can install, ala network manager? |
| 03:56.16 | Azelphur | I'm used to Ubuntu, so things are different :P |
| 03:56.17 | Diopter | Once you actually install a system. |
| 03:56.33 | Azelphur | Diopter: it is installed? I ran the standard installer from the ISO and installed it in a rather normal manner. |
| 03:57.03 | Diopter | Ah. |
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| 03:58.13 | Azelphur | so yea, suggestions on a wifi utility? I imagine I can just apt-get something. |
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| 03:58.35 | trysten | does anyone know of a way to directly view a browser cache? |
| 03:58.37 | barhom | Diopter: What is high SI ? Im getting like 5-30% on core0, so that shouldn't be the problem |
| 03:58.41 | trysten | i want to 'surf the cache' |
| 03:59.10 | Azelphur | trysten: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cacheviewer-continued/ ? |
| 03:59.11 | Diopter | barhom: soft interrupts. Like driver interrupts. |
| 03:59.27 | Rusty1 | Azelphur: wicd, gtk or ncurses if using terminal |
| 03:59.28 | Diopter | barhom: Are you currently getting your usual traffic volume? |
| 03:59.46 | Azelphur | Rusty1: ty, will grab wicd :) |
| 03:59.47 | barhom | yes, without NFS doing anything 200mbit inbound |
| 04:00.01 | barhom | with NFS (bonnie++ running) Im getting spikes at 820mbit |
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| 04:00.38 | Diopter | barhom: So what are you trying to reproduce? Normal NFS traffic that gets janky? |
| 04:01.02 | barhom | Im trying to get a NFS mount be stable, but that might never happen with bonnie? |
| 04:01.26 | barhom | if bonnie++ can run without a server drop (where NFS says reconnecting) - then Im good, but it isnt |
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| 04:02.26 | Diopter | bonnie++ is specifically designed to benchmark. |
| 04:03.05 | barhom | Diopter: isn't that a good way to see if NFS is stable? |
| 04:03.07 | Diopter | I suggest removing NFS from the equation first |
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| 04:03.20 | Diopter | Try iperf'ing with full MTU packets |
| 04:03.59 | Diopter | Then drop the sizes a bit and retest |
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| 04:04.24 | Diopter | I'm willing to bet when you get to medium-sized, core0 gets saturated with SI and you start getting drops and errors |
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| 04:04.58 | barhom | I can iperf, but what do you mean with full MTU packets? |
| 04:06.03 | Diopter | barhom: Usually ethernet MTU is set to 1500 across the board |
| 04:06.16 | Diopter | So... iperf with large packet sizes. |
| 04:06.23 | barhom | yes, Ive tried enabling jumbo on this thing but it just won't allow me |
| 04:06.27 | Diopter | Larger size = smaller throughput for a given bandwidth. |
| 04:06.46 | Diopter | Throughput is packets/sec, which = interrupts/sec if your driver doesn't coalesce |
| 04:07.09 | Diopter | So, protocols which operate on small packets are likely to cause a shitton of interrupts on crap drivers |
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| 04:07.20 | Diopter | = drops, errors, high load average, etc |
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| 04:10.09 | barhom | iperc -f 10.0.0.1 -m 1500 -t 1000 |
| 04:10.11 | youlysses | Ok so I'm gonna make another attempt to installing Debian to a thumb-drive again, what's the prefered method? Should I just go with a live-image, and if so how do I make permanent changes? |
| 04:10.19 | barhom | iperf* |
| 04:10.54 | Diopter | barhom: Looks promising. See what you can see. Probably will work okay until MTU is < ~500 |
| 04:11.59 | barhom | ~800mbit across the nic now but I don't see any SI problems, how do I notice if the NIC is not taking care of this well? |
| 04:12.00 | apt | barhom: what are you talking about? |
| 04:12.50 | barhom | apt: NFS and Crappy NIC |
| 04:13.17 | Diopter | barhom: Check the link stats. ip -s l, see if the counters show any drops/errors/etc. Especially as you decrease the packet size |
| 04:13.43 | barhom | and Im guessing thats on the iperf client |
| 04:14.05 | Diopter | Whichever side has the NIC in qustion... |
| 04:14.11 | Azelphur | is it better for a desktop machine that is going to spend it's life being a glorified web browser to use debian stable or testing? |
| 04:14.20 | barhom | is stupid now, yes, its 6am here :O |
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| 04:17.36 | barhom | using MTU 536 (the lowest I could go), I see 0 errors/dropped. |
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| 04:19.53 | barhom | correct me if Im wrong, but shouldn't NFS performance be near raw-disk access (provided that the two interfaces between them can handle the load) ? It feels strange for me that it needs so much tuning like it seems to need |
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| 04:20.36 | jagginess | barhom, you're telling me your network is faster than your local disk access? |
| 04:20.49 | gnarface | barhom: that has been my experience yes, nfs should not require tuning to get basically local IO speed as long as the network is dedicated and local and fast |
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| 04:21.18 | gnarface | barhom: that's assuming ATA-100 speeds at least (~50MB/sec throughput) |
| 04:21.38 | gnarface | and gigabit ethernet |
| 04:21.45 | barhom | jagginess: No, thats not what I said |
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| 04:22.21 | Diopter | barhom: I find it very odd that you can't get it lower than 536. Network protocol packets can be and often are much smaller. |
| 04:22.47 | gnarface | thinks its insane to lower the MTU |
| 04:23.10 | barhom | it says "attempted to set MTU to XXX but got 536" (not direct quote of the message) |
| 04:23.13 | gnarface | doesn't really know what you guys are trying to do |
| 04:23.47 | barhom | gnarface: I got a 2TB disk Im mounting from another computer. They are both on gig-gig. the 2tb disk is doing nothing else. |
| 04:23.48 | Diopter | barhom: Oh! You're passing -m. That's... not actually lowering packet size. That's attempting to Actually lower the MTU |
| 04:23.50 | Diopter | lulz |
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| 04:24.08 | Diopter | gnarface: It would be insane. I had no intention in having barhom actually lower the interface MTU |
| 04:24.12 | barhom | Im passing -m -M |
| 04:24.14 | Diopter | gnarface: Just tell iperf to use smaller packets |
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| 04:24.59 | barhom | you mean me now, right? |
| 04:26.19 | barhom | gnarface: Im trying to understand why my NFS mount of a 2tb drive (that isn't doing anything else) is not behaving like I want it to. Its on a solid LAN inhouse |
| 04:26.47 | barhom | gnarface: and they are both on gigabit network |
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| 04:27.09 | jagginess | barhom, tsk.. nfs mount sucks.. you really have to dig at it for setting a security context on it.. better is to use smb. |
| 04:27.41 | barhom | why would NFS mount suck? its local, and nontrivial for security |
| 04:27.50 | barhom | also, I can't nfsroot SMB |
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| 04:28.11 | barhom | (got a bunch of comptuters I want to be diskless PXE booted) |
| 04:28.25 | gnarface | nfs is good |
| 04:28.33 | gnarface | it does what its for well |
| 04:28.35 | Diopter | NFS is rather good for your purposes |
| 04:28.37 | gnarface | its often misused |
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| 04:29.04 | barhom | I read somewhere that when you're on gbit you should be using tcp instead of udp, and thats what Im doing - correct? |
| 04:29.16 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 04:29.19 | gnarface | i think i used the default |
| 04:29.26 | gnarface | whatever that is |
| 04:29.28 | gnarface | it wasn't hard |
| 04:29.33 | barhom | its UDP default |
| 04:29.38 | barhom | I get *tons* of retrains with UDP |
| 04:29.42 | barhom | lol |
| 04:29.44 | barhom | retrans* |
| 04:30.16 | gnarface | hmm |
| 04:30.35 | gnarface | 10-base T cable on gig-e switches? |
| 04:30.35 | Diopter | TCP should definitely be used over UDP |
| 04:31.03 | barhom | gnarface: CAT6 all the way |
| 04:31.15 | jagginess | that depends if he has a "Need for Speed" |
| 04:31.18 | Diopter | Might want to look into some TCP tuning, though. Turning off syncookies (so you re-enable window scaling), for instance. |
| 04:31.30 | Diopter | Increasing rmem/wmem |
| 04:31.35 | gnarface | hmm |
| 04:31.41 | gnarface | arp could be an issue too |
| 04:31.56 | gnarface | might want to look into altering arp caches, setting up arpd on your firewall ,et c |
| 04:32.02 | gnarface | not really sure about that shit |
| 04:32.09 | barhom | not so much ARP just yet, but there is some traffic there |
| 04:32.20 | Diopter | I am. It's not really necessary. ARP refreshes itself when needed |
| 04:32.39 | Diopter | Doesn't usually cause packet loss or reconnects |
| 04:33.12 | gnarface | causes latency though, and extra load |
| 04:33.23 | barhom | sending 500 byte datagrams is also not giving me any back errors on NIC |
| 04:33.37 | barhom | Im about to consider my network "good" and go only to nfs tuning now |
| 04:33.44 | jagginess | netstat -s |
| 04:34.56 | barhom | http://pastebin.com/gqTUNQ00 < (not sure what Im looking for) |
| 04:34.58 | jagginess | btw, you need cat6 cabling to do gigabit |
| 04:35.13 | barhom | cat5e is actually enough, but yes Im using cat6 |
| 04:35.14 | Diopter | cat5e can do it, actually. |
| 04:36.22 | Diopter | barhom: The TcpExt section, lower half or so |
| 04:36.34 | Diopter | data loss, congestion, retransmits |
| 04:36.48 | jagginess | barhom, does "mii-tool eth0" say full duplex? |
| 04:36.49 | Diopter | All indicate issues with processing TCP data, either due to hardware or load. |
| 04:36.59 | Diopter | ethtool shows a lot more info |
| 04:37.03 | Diopter | For note |
| 04:37.09 | barhom | jagginess: yes FD |
| 04:38.11 | barhom | Diopter: what are good numbers then? 0? |
| 04:38.13 | jagginess | barhom, i wouldnt' know what's significant, but there's "67733 segments retransmited" ...out of "54648968 segments send out" |
| 04:38.45 | Diopter | barhom: Well, a busy network has congestion. And you've been blowing shit up with bonnie++ on purpose |
| 04:38.49 | Diopter | So... |
| 04:40.41 | nsadmin | what does ip link mean by "LOWER_UP"? |
| 04:40.43 | barhom | hmm, so, if you take up bonnie++ on anything over NFS its kinda bound to give problems because it really maxes out things |
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| 04:41.17 | barhom | Having reconnect issues for NFS when running bonnie++ = not an issue then (thats what Ive been trying to understand) |
| 04:42.39 | Diopter | nsadmin: It means the lower layer is "up". In this case, it means L2. (Data) Link Layer. |
| 04:43.08 | nsadmin | Diopter, is that a layer of the osi model? |
| 04:43.14 | Diopter | nsadmin: Yeah. |
| 04:43.26 | nsadmin | ok, thanks :) |
| 04:43.34 | nsadmin | trying to get used to ip |
| 04:43.46 | Diopter | nsadmin: The "upper" layer, so to speak, is the virtual layer on top of the device that implements things like the interface being up/down, broadcast enabled, arp enabled, promiscuous,e tc |
| 04:43.57 | Diopter | nsadmin: ip is fanstastic! |
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| 04:45.18 | nsadmin | for me, it's temporarily a little too opaque, I just now got started tho |
| 04:45.59 | Diopter | nsadmin: Er, doh. I meant that LOWER_UP = L1. Physical layer. It means the hardware is ready. Like... cable is plugged in. Wireless radio is on. etc |
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| 04:46.20 | jagginess | barhom, there's a tool called 'ss' supposedly the succesor to netstat, but i never used it |
| 04:46.30 | Diopter | jagginess: I've switched to using it exclusively |
| 04:46.45 | Diopter | Much as I never touch ifconfig or route anymore since iproute2 is better in every way |
| 04:47.01 | nsadmin | 3: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN qlen 1000 |
| 04:47.14 | jagginess | sees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2 |
| 04:47.22 | nsadmin | so here, LOWER_UP is not present... supposedly the radio is off? |
| 04:47.23 | nevyn | is it a reference to osi layer 2 or IP layer 2? |
| 04:47.30 | barhom | it doesn't seem like the problem is my network - so what were your guys take on bonnie++ over NFS? would that most probably give most if not all, NFS mounts reconnect issues? |
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| 04:47.45 | nevyn | cause ip layer 2 == osi layer 3 |
| 04:48.14 | Diopter | nevyn: You mean tcp/ip layer 2. But I was referring to OSI. And I misspoke |
| 04:48.17 | nsadmin | brb w coffee |
| 04:48.22 | Diopter | LOWER_UP is OSI L1 -- physical. |
| 04:48.28 | Diopter | According to <linux/if.h> |
| 04:49.13 | Diopter | UP, in the interface flags, means the interface is up. |
| 04:49.50 | Diopter | The rightmost UP/DOWN/UNKNOWN/etc is an "operational status", and cites RFC 2863 |
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| 04:50.59 | nsadmin | what are the osi layers below IP? |
| 04:51.00 | Diopter | So, for instance, my unplugged eth0 that's listening for a link has <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> blah blah DOWN |
| 04:51.12 | barhom | is rethinking of he should re-ask the question or if it was a stupid question to begin with |
| 04:51.18 | Diopter | L2: (Data) Link Layer, L1: Physical Layer |
| 04:51.41 | Diopter | barhom: Why don't you try some large directory rsyncs or similar. |
| 04:51.53 | Diopter | barhom: Or compiling across the mount |
| 04:52.06 | nsadmin | "interface being up" would be caused by ipconfig some0 up? |
| 04:52.27 | nsadmin | and then you get UP in ip link? |
| 04:52.55 | Diopter | nsadmin: Ignore ifconfig, it's a clumsy tool and does more than what you expect for stuff like "up" |
| 04:53.31 | Diopter | ip l s dev eth0 up/down does what you think it does, just changes the interface flag |
| 04:53.42 | nsadmin | ok... does squeeze ifupdown use ip or ifconfig? |
| 04:54.15 | Diopter | Not sure. I think Debian might still be using ifconfig, sadly |
| 04:54.19 | nsadmin | now that you mention "does more", what else does ifconfig do? |
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| 04:55.07 | coolty | hi! |
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| 04:55.18 | coolty | i need the 32 bit version of libx11-dev |
| 04:55.19 | nsadmin | well I know that ifconfig some0 1.2.3.4 adds a route |
| 04:55.21 | coolty | I can't find it anywhere! |
| 04:55.30 | coolty | (for 64 bit debian 6) |
| 04:56.02 | Diopter | nsadmin: It behaves oddly with respect to IPs already on an interface that's down, and in certain other circumstances. |
| 04:56.05 | nsadmin | coolty, squeeze is multiarch, so you would add arch i386 and then install the lib |
| 04:56.26 | coolty | i tried that.... |
| 04:56.31 | coolty | you mean my apt sources? |
| 04:56.31 | nevyn | nsadmin: ifconfig is a wrapper around ip |
| 04:56.47 | Diopter | nevyn: I hope you meant ifupdown. |
| 04:56.49 | nsadmin | oh it is? |
| 04:56.55 | Diopter | ifconfig certainly isn't |
| 04:56.57 | nevyn | Diopter: I did not |
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| 04:57.31 | nsadmin | so then looking at ifconfig code where it calls ip says what else? |
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| 04:57.53 | Diopter | nsadmin: It doesn't. Not even slightly. |
| 04:57.57 | karlpinc | coolty: You might want to look up cross compiling on the wiki.debian.org. I think it sends you to emdebian.org and the wiki there. I could be wrong about what you want. |
| 04:58.11 | Diopter | ifconfig is part of net-tools, which is old and very deprecated |
| 04:58.22 | Diopter | It's code doesn't call ip |
| 04:58.30 | karlpinc | Diopter: But reasonably cross-platform. |
| 04:58.30 | jagginess | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2 ? |
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| 04:58.53 | Diopter | nsadmin compare "man ifconfig" and "man ip" dates at the bottom |
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| 04:59.10 | Diopter | jagginess: Exactly. |
| 04:59.15 | jagginess | i remember seeing the ip command long time ago when i was checking out ipv6 |
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| 04:59.44 | Diopter | ip is the only common tool to do a variety of advanced networking things on linux |
| 05:00.00 | Diopter | Like ECMP. |
| 05:00.15 | nsadmin | Diopter, so earlier you mentioned you like ip... other than that, what has you prefer it? |
| 05:00.44 | barhom | Diopter: Took your advice, and was going to try to rsync 2.6 kernel. started out by needing git, apt-get install git has been running for 4minutes now and it still haven't finished. iotop shows disk write at 10-15kb/s and I/O at 6%. Something is def wrong. |
| 05:00.48 | Diopter | nsadmin: Other than being absolutely essential for my job? The unifying syntax, intelligent decisions in command structure, ability to abbreviate things :P |
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| 05:01.08 | Diopter | barhom: Fascinating. What's happening network-wise? |
| 05:01.34 | barhom | Nothing, its sitting idle |
| 05:01.37 | nsadmin | Diopter, those sound mostly like its command line interface, option parsing, etc... |
| 05:01.44 | coolty | http://pastebin.com/zPcSxzNt |
| 05:01.44 | jagginess | barhom, there's a tool called dropwatch, it checks all the stacks, maybe there's a nic driver issue-- http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2011/07/11/using-netstat-and-dropwatch-to-observe-packet-loss-on-linux-servers/ |
| 05:01.45 | barhom | its only doing those 15kb/s writes (DAMN slow) |
| 05:01.59 | coolty | anyone help? |
| 05:02.25 | jagginess | will be using dropwatch more often in the future |
| 05:03.15 | Diopter | nsadmin: Equal-Cost Multipath, policy routing, multiple routing tables, tunnels, modifying special interface flags, multihoming, ipv6 address scopes, ipv4 address scopes (!) |
| 05:03.20 | karlpinc | nsadmin: No, not just syntax. ip lets you do the "newer" linux stuff. But ifconfig isn't going away because it'll be needed forever to support old scripts. |
| 05:03.37 | Diopter | nsadmin: All of the advanced Linux networking stuff that's been developed over the past few years gets exposed in userspace in iproute2 |
| 05:04.04 | Diopter | If no one ever learns about it, they'll continue to think Linux sucks compared to specialized network OS's |
| 05:04.23 | nsadmin | so you actually can do multihoming |
| 05:04.37 | Diopter | Yes. Correctly. And VLAN tagged subinterfaces, with aliases |
| 05:04.37 | nevyn | Diopter: ipis ftw |
| 05:04.39 | Diopter | That are also multihomed |
| 05:04.50 | Diopter | With multiple address scopes :P |
| 05:04.56 | karlpinc | nevyn: Poo. pf ftw |
| 05:05.03 | nsadmin | Diopter, but... but... having other people want to learn will take... effort... |
| 05:05.16 | karlpinc | nsadmin:) |
| 05:05.32 | simplew | anyone who can help with packaging? |
| 05:06.02 | nsadmin | simplew, perhaps it's time to look at the packaging manual? |
| 05:06.11 | Diopter | nsadmin: bridge-utils is pretty hot too |
| 05:06.15 | simplew | nsadmin: i have but im so confused atm |
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| 05:06.36 | Diopter | There's been hairpinning code in the kernel for about 3 years, which is a pretty neat bridging feature |
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| 05:09.04 | simplew | nsadmin: u have "aot-get source foo" but i want to change the version, how i dont know if i should edit the files |
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| 05:09.29 | Diopter | simplew: There's guides on exactly this |
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| 05:09.45 | nevyn | !simple backport |
| 05:09.51 | simplew | Diopter: could tell where are they |
| 05:09.57 | nevyn | simplew: what package is it? |
| 05:10.39 | simplew | nautilus |
| 05:10.47 | nevyn | Diopter: linux's networking foo is terrifying. |
| 05:11.13 | coolty | so.. i can't install the 32bit library files of X11 on my 64 bit debian? |
| 05:11.25 | Diopter | simplew: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html |
| 05:12.13 | Diopter | coolty: You can if you add the architecture |
| 05:12.31 | coolty | i did |
| 05:12.38 | Diopter | nevyn: I actually make a living using it, so Linux and I are all like <3 |
| 05:12.41 | Diopter | :P |
| 05:12.50 | simplew | Diopter: isnt possible to set thepackager name in some config file instead to always add it to all packages? |
| 05:12.55 | coolty | deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free |
| 05:12.55 | coolty | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze i386 main non-free contrib |
| 05:12.55 | coolty | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze i386 main non-free contrib |
| 05:13.02 | nevyn | Diopter: oh by terrifying I mean awesome! |
| 05:13.02 | coolty | is that not right? |
| 05:13.10 | nevyn | like phearsome |
| 05:13.17 | Diopter | coolty: That's not right. |
| 05:13.23 | coolty | :o |
| 05:13.52 | coolty | sorry i guess i'm dumb then, what is the proper procedure? |
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| 05:14.06 | Diopter | coolty: You want dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 05:14.14 | nsadmin | simplew, so you don't want to do just a backport |
| 05:14.15 | Diopter | nevyn: lulz, I see |
| 05:14.15 | coolty | oh, thanks :) |
| 05:15.11 | nevyn | Diopter: tho most things about linux are pretty awesome.. "what do you mean your os doesn't have selectable io policy?" |
| 05:15.28 | simplew | nsadmin: no, what do i need to change to change the package version |
| 05:15.37 | coolty | coolty@coolty-NV52-Series:~/Desktop/B2G$ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 05:15.37 | coolty | dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture |
| 05:15.37 | dpkg | coolty: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 05:15.44 | coolty | xD |
| 05:15.49 | coolty | dpkg: yes i did --help |
| 05:15.49 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, coolty |
| 05:16.26 | Diopter | Oh, you're on squeeze. Not sure if that had multiarch... |
| 05:16.37 | coolty | oh |
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| 05:17.11 | nsadmin | Diopter, I was told by stew or someone that squeeze does have multiarch |
| 05:18.09 | nsadmin | not dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure (something) |
| 05:18.43 | simplew | can anyone clarify some doubts in packaging? |
| 05:19.29 | nsadmin | simplew, some who know about packaging are on #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:19.45 | coolty | so i can't find dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:20.08 | nsadmin | I'm not finding what I'm looking for either, the man page says it's not there |
| 05:20.25 | Diopter | s dpkg-reconfigure multiarch-support? |
| 05:20.31 | Diopter | Er, s = sudo |
| 05:20.47 | nsadmin | simplew, you have to run that as root |
| 05:20.54 | coolty | Package `i386' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 05:21.49 | Diopter | So... my Wheezy dpkg has --add-architecture, and i386 worked |
| 05:22.00 | Diopter | mm |
| 05:22.51 | nsadmin | Diopter, I'm actually not finding evidence that it is |
| 05:23.13 | coolty | all this to install a simple lib package ;p |
| 05:24.30 | nsadmin | coolty, it's looking like there is not multiarch support in squeeze, and if there is, it's not complete |
| 05:24.37 | coolty | :( |
| 05:24.50 | coolty | any work arounds to get my package installed? :P |
| 05:25.13 | nsadmin | install wheezy chroot? install squeeze i386 chroot? |
| 05:25.23 | coolty | hm |
| 05:25.38 | coolty | almost sounds easier to run virtualbox |
| 05:25.44 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 05:25.50 | nsadmin | does sound that way |
| 05:26.08 | nsadmin | what package? |
| 05:26.10 | coolty | i sure picked a winner of an os |
| 05:26.11 | coolty | ;x |
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| 05:26.59 | nsadmin | ahh. blame game. good luck with that |
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| 05:27.23 | Diopter | You're trying to install the wrong kind of thing for your OS. |
| 05:27.38 | coolty | yes i am |
| 05:28.20 | nevyn | coolty: btw dpkg is a bot |
| 05:28.28 | jagginess | nevyn, maybe |
| 05:28.29 | coolty | i know, i was being funny |
| 05:28.37 | jagginess | coolty, he's my friend.. |
| 05:28.40 | jagginess | dpkg, i love you |
| 05:28.41 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 05:28.45 | jagginess | oh :( |
| 05:28.46 | coolty | bots can't be friends |
| 05:29.26 | jagginess | cries |
| 05:29.44 | jagginess | coolty, what are you laughing at!? |
| 05:29.56 | coolty | Who said i was laughing |
| 05:29.57 | coolty | ok, i am |
| 05:29.59 | coolty | :) |
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| 05:30.01 | jagginess | mwaha |
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| 05:31.19 | coolty | i'm wondering if there is a way to compile aosp in squeeze |
| 05:31.26 | coolty | without a virtual machine.. |
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| 05:32.45 | nsadmin | , names "aosp*" |
| 05:32.53 | judd | Search for aosp* in squeeze/i386: |
| 05:33.04 | coolty | aosp is the android open source project |
| 05:33.24 | nsadmin | that does what? |
| 05:33.33 | coolty | w-what |
| 05:33.40 | coolty | are you asking what android does? |
| 05:33.57 | nsadmin | no, I know |
| 05:34.10 | nsadmin | is it that you want to build software for android? |
| 05:34.18 | coolty | i am compiling the android os image |
| 05:34.22 | coolty | for use with qemu |
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| 05:34.39 | coolty | and yes, it's for developers |
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| 05:36.28 | nevyn | coolty: umm should be |
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| 05:36.55 | nevyn | coolty: but I'd probably start with cm then try aosp as cm will have better docs I htink |
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| 05:37.09 | coolty | well here's the thing |
| 05:37.10 | butsler | does anyone know if arch will be able to run on this: http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/ ? "The APC’s spec includes a VIA WonderMedia ARM 11 processor at its core." |
| 05:37.25 | coolty | it's not _really_ android |
| 05:37.30 | coolty | it's.... boot2gecko |
| 05:37.34 | coolty | which uses aosp sources |
| 05:37.46 | nevyn | ah |
| 05:37.47 | Diopter | butsler: ... Arch? Like Arch Linux? You joined #debian :P |
| 05:37.53 | coolty | b2g == firefox OS |
| 05:38.05 | barhom | It seems like "async" has solved the apt-get problem |
| 05:38.07 | nevyn | Diopter: architecture. |
| 05:38.13 | nevyn | oh. |
| 05:38.19 | nevyn | no you're right |
| 05:38.21 | nevyn | I'm wrong |
| 05:38.40 | nevyn | words mean too many things. |
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| 05:38.45 | Diopter | Stupid words |
| 05:38.58 | Diopter | barhom: Orly? |
| 05:39.15 | nevyn | people should really invent new ones for new things |
| 05:39.21 | barhom | Diopter: yes, but reading what async does. Im not sure why it would fix it |
| 05:39.22 | nevyn | rather than just overloading the old ones |
| 05:39.39 | barhom | apt-get install git went from 5+minutes to 10 seconds |
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| 05:40.43 | Diopter | barhom: Hrm. Locking issues? |
| 05:42.37 | barhom | btw, when not having sync or async, that would imply sync, or? Also, not sure bout the locking issues. Ill google on how to find out |
| 05:42.54 | Diopter | Probably implies sync |
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| 05:50.44 | butsler | Diopter: yeah, i meant debian. sorry. :) |
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| 05:59.34 | \Jan | Why when I do an apt-get upgrade, I get a whole bunch of stuff that's under "The following packages will be kept back:" |
| 05:59.54 | \Jan | and dpkg --get-selections shows I only have 2 packages on hold |
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| 06:00.04 | jagginess | \Jan, because apt is cool |
| 06:00.14 | Diopter | \Jan: apt-get dist-upgrade. Use it to upgrade everything, and read the man-page for why |
| 06:00.56 | ectospasm | I use aptitude full-upgrade, and it works quite well for me... |
| 06:01.07 | jagginess | \Jan, maybe you should "apt-get update" first |
| 06:01.14 | \Jan | I thought dist-upgrade updates to the next version of the distro |
| 06:01.17 | \Jan | jagginess: I always do |
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| 06:01.29 | Diopter | \Jan: dist-upgrade can do that, sure. But go read why |
| 06:01.36 | butsler | Diopter: do you know if it'll run debian? |
| 06:02.09 | \Jan | oh |
| 06:02.10 | jagginess | wonders y the sun keeps hiding from m |
| 06:02.34 | \Jan | >So, dist-upgrade command may remove some packages. |
| 06:02.41 | jagginess | tah! |
| 06:02.42 | \Jan | It will definitely warn me first, right? |
| 06:02.45 | jagginess | !tada! |
| 06:03.06 | jagginess | wants bash to be happy and hits tab five times |
| 06:03.19 | \Jan | is that a maybe |
| 06:03.27 | jagginess | ash bash tcsh zsh .. dam shshshshsshhsshh |
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| 06:03.48 | jagginess | \Jan, I wonder why i don't have bash 1-5 after apt-get upgrades :( |
| 06:04.26 | \Jan | bash 1-5? |
| 06:04.41 | \Jan | GNU bash, version 4.2.20(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 06:04.50 | jagginess | 486 baby!! |
| 06:04.51 | jagginess | lol |
| 06:05.40 | \Jan | Also, I can ^C an apt-get dist-upgrade, right? |
| 06:05.48 | \Jan | I mean, during the time it's fetching archives |
| 06:05.52 | \Jan | not while insstalling |
| 06:06.01 | \Jan | or at least ^Z it? |
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| 06:07.31 | simplew | How can i change the package version? is it done with dhc? |
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| 06:11.21 | GNU\colossus | \Jan, sure - you can always background a process |
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| 06:11.51 | GNU\colossus | as with ^C, you can theoretically get into some trouble when apt/dpkg are installing packages |
| 06:12.08 | GNU\colossus | interrupting while fetching is no problem at all |
| 06:12.53 | barhom | Increasing the threads of NFS to 64 and running async has solved all issues Ive been seeing - its 8am now and I should go to bed :O thanks everyone |
| 06:13.08 | barhom | bonnie++ can even run now |
| 06:13.18 | \Jan | So say it was downloading a bunch of packaged, then I realized "hey, I don't want this program anymore and this update is going to take a while" |
| 06:13.37 | \Jan | I can just go an ^C, uninstall the package, and then go back to updating again? |
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| 06:15.38 | CruX|_ | hello, |
| 06:16.08 | GNU\colossus | \Jan, whilst apt is still fetching packages, yes, without any problems. when it's already installing, there may be troubles. |
| 06:16.30 | CruX|_ | is it possible in gnu make to generate include file |
| 06:16.43 | CruX|_ | and then includee this file from the same makefile ? |
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| 06:17.04 | jagginess | automakefile stuff.. it's similar concept to autoconf |
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| 06:17.24 | jagginess | (IMakefile) |
| 06:17.38 | \Jan | GNU\colossus: do you have any idea why, when I'm trying to purge a package, it'd tell me it's going to install a package related to the one I'm trying to get rid of |
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| 06:18.26 | GNU\colossus | \Jan, not really, sorry |
| 06:18.40 | GNU\colossus | maybe you can paste apt's output? |
| 06:18.41 | jagginess | \Jan, maybe it's because you have 2 packages that cant be installed at the same time because they conflict, but at least of either is needed as a dependency. |
| 06:18.46 | GNU\colossus | to paste.debian.net |
| 06:19.18 | jagginess | \Jan, apt-get -f install |
| 06:19.39 | \Jan | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f15fabb0/ |
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| 06:20.53 | jagginess | \Jan, apt-get autoremve |
| 06:20.56 | jagginess | \Jan, apt-get autoremove |
| 06:20.56 | Mimiko | Hello, I want to compile php wit $ORIGIN, but cant get it right in ./configure to specify. Anyone can hint me? |
| 06:21.13 | jagginess | \Jan, dont worry about lib* getting installed, they're dependencies |
| 06:21.31 | \Jan | jagginess: I'm not talking about the first part, I'm talking about |
| 06:21.34 | \Jan | The following extra packages will be installed: evolution-data-server-common |
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| 06:21.56 | \Jan | why is it installing this when I'm purging evolution and libevolution |
| 06:22.02 | \Jan | it doesn't make sense to me |
| 06:22.12 | jagginess | learn how to use dpkg |
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| 06:22.34 | jagginess | a dependency is a dependency |
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| 06:24.10 | SpComb | barhom: async for a rw nfs export? |
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| 06:27.58 | qubits | Something aptitude did made my raid data vol go away. Can someone help me see if my raid volume is still there and remount it please?? |
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| 06:29.57 | PrickelPit | qubits, if its a md sw-raid google for mdadm --assemble. iirc you only need to add the raid memberdisks i.e /dev/sdb /dev/sdc... behind the --assemble. |
| 06:31.21 | PrickelPit | cat /proc/mdstat should show you if any raid is detected |
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| 06:32.28 | barhom | SpComb: yes, why? |
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| 06:36.04 | SpComb | barhom: async mount or async export? |
| 06:37.24 | barhom | async export |
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| 06:37.50 | barhom | is there a difference? |
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| 06:42.22 | nsadmin | they would be inverses... export is providing the mount and is done where the dir is directly available... mount is done at the client in order to access the dir from a remote machine |
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| 06:45.25 | simplew | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.48 | nsadmin | \Jan, one curiousity, how did you install the thing you're trying to purge without the deps installed? |
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| 06:46.23 | \Jan | empathy came with debian |
| 06:46.31 | barhom | nsadmin: "async" is not a valid option from the client side when it comes to NFS |
| 06:46.34 | \Jan | I just never used it and kept updating and never paid attention |
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| 06:46.43 | \Jan | but now I'm updating/getting rid of things |
| 06:46.52 | barhom | at least not when booting via NFSroot, it hangs with bad option 'async' |
| 06:46.53 | nsadmin | simplew, yeah, that's what I'd do... but, careful to find out which version of auto* it needs |
| 06:47.05 | \Jan | I have no idea how/what happened |
| 06:47.22 | simplew | nsadmin: but i dont know how to add it to rules file |
| 06:47.38 | simplew | nsadmin: i edit rules file and then i add what? |
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| 06:48.05 | nsadmin | simplew, this is not necessarily required of a package, but it is how things started out: debian/rules is a gnu makefile |
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| 06:48.36 | nsadmin | simplew, head -n 1 debian/rules |
| 06:49.07 | simplew | #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 06:49.12 | simplew | nsadmin: yes and? |
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| 06:49.19 | nsadmin | yeah, so it's a makefile... |
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| 06:49.37 | nsadmin | are you familiar with make? |
| 06:49.37 | afsal | plz hlp. how to install compiz |
| 06:49.51 | simplew | nsadmin: so what i need to do so that deb build runs first autogen.sh? |
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| 06:50.23 | nsadmin | probably put the running of autogen.sh in the build target as one of the first things it does |
| 06:50.40 | simplew | nsadmin: and how do i do that? |
| 06:50.43 | alirezaimi | Hi // What is AppArmor package ? and why this error happened to me in boot : faild to start AppArmor services. |
| 06:50.53 | nsadmin | start by editing debian/rules |
| 06:50.58 | nsadmin | find build target |
| 06:51.08 | nsadmin | look at the commands that are already there |
| 06:51.10 | SiDz | is it normal that my debian wheezy dont set env HOSTNAME |
| 06:51.22 | SiDz | i have to add it in /etc/bash.bash.rc |
| 06:51.23 | afsal | How to install compiz in squeeze |
| 06:51.29 | alirezaimi | afsal: apt-get install compiz |
| 06:51.36 | simplew | nsadmin: im new to packaging, rules isnt a makefile alike??? |
| 06:51.47 | simplew | nsadmin: you jsut said so |
| 06:51.56 | afsal | alirezaimi: but not working |
| 06:52.10 | nsadmin | in the case of the package you're working with, it is a makefile |
| 06:52.37 | alirezaimi | afsal: in terminal type compiz for this time // and write a bash script for boot tiem |
| 06:52.46 | simplew | nsadmin: can you be more precise on what i need to do ? |
| 06:52.46 | nsadmin | (which has been made an executable script with the interpreter for that script specified on line 1) |
| 06:52.47 | alirezaimi | Hi // What is AppArmor package ? and why this error happened to me in boot : faild to start AppArmor services. |
| 06:53.29 | ksuhku | alirezaimi, custom kernel? |
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| 06:53.54 | alirezaimi | ksuhku: What ?! |
| 06:54.06 | afsal | alirezaimi: how |
| 06:54.12 | ksuhku | alirezaimi, as in are toy using a custom kernel? |
| 06:54.37 | alirezaimi | ksuhku: Nop! |
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| 06:54.50 | alirezaimi | afsal: how what? |
| 06:54.52 | afsal | can't boot with xorg.conf |
| 06:55.20 | afsal | alirezaimi: can't boot with xorg.conf |
| 06:55.41 | alirezaimi | ksuhku: service apparmor status |
| 06:55.42 | alirezaimi | [info] AppArmor not available as kernel LSM.. |
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| 06:56.15 | alirezaimi | afsal: compiz package not support any more in debian and gnome-shell |
| 06:56.33 | simplew | nsadmin: can you tell me or not what to do to start deb packaging with autogen.sh? |
| 06:56.44 | seravitae | hi, does anyone know where i can obtain the program `make` (3.79+), so I can compile glibc(2.15+) for wheezy? |
| 06:57.01 | afsal | alirezaimi: plz sugest debian supporting compiz like package |
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| 06:58.03 | afsal | alirezaimi: plz sugest any other debian supporting compiz like package |
| 06:58.05 | seravitae | ah wait make has a package, slipped through my list |
| 06:58.16 | seravitae | afsal: patience. |
| 06:58.28 | seravitae | if nobody responds its because they dont care dont know or are busy. |
| 06:59.55 | alirezaimi | afsal: u use gnome 3 ? |
| 07:00.28 | alirezaimi | anybody help me for apparmor package? |
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| 07:03.49 | ksuhku | kids so twitchy these days |
| 07:04.10 | ksuhku | if no answer in 10 minutes, spaz off... |
| 07:05.22 | nsadmin | simplew, while I get food, read info make and become familiar with what make does, how it does it and what it looks at.. then become familiar with how to write makefiles, look at the examples... go grab gnu hello from gnu.org, read every file (it's short)... then get the debianized source of gnu hello and find the differences |
| 07:06.39 | nsadmin | I would actually read all files in that as well |
| 07:06.48 | nsadmin | the latter will have a debian/rules |
| 07:06.56 | nsadmin | the former will not |
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| 07:08.00 | Lasse- | morn |
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| 07:20.03 | \Jan | kshI once waited 3 days in a channel for an answer and still didn't get it :( |
| 07:20.12 | \Jan | er, ksuhku |
| 07:20.39 | ksuhku | there's no guarantees in life |
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| 07:20.49 | drigollier | hi debian |
| 07:21.30 | klys | is there anything like this for linux? http://sgiavid.hxsdblog.com/files/2008/05/smoke3.png |
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| 07:25.15 | simplew | dpkg -i install a package even its already installed? |
| 07:25.15 | dpkg | removes a speen from simplew and replaces it with install a package even its already installed |
| 07:25.46 | simplew | what? |
| 07:25.53 | bardzusny | simplew: yes |
| 07:25.58 | bardzusny | dpkg is a bot, you upset him |
| 07:25.58 | dpkg | i don't know, bardzusny |
| 07:26.12 | simplew | "dpkg -i foo" install a package even its already installed? |
| 07:26.25 | bardzusny | yes, it installs a package even if it's already installed |
| 07:26.46 | simplew | bardzusny: so it forces an install by default |
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| 07:27.28 | simplew | is there any GUI that shows man pages? |
| 07:27.31 | bardzusny | forces? you tell him to do it, don't blame him |
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| 07:27.57 | simplew | bardzusny: yes but for example with rpm you need to use --force to install a package thats already installed |
| 07:28.29 | dym | Hey - im having a problem with phpmyadmin. When searching for a field in a database with 166 rows, i get a syntax error. when removing a row, the search works perfectly. is there some sort of limitation, or a way to show the actual query the search function performs? |
| 07:28.31 | bardzusny | what is rpm? |
| 07:28.36 | simplew | else will tell you that the package its already installed, with dpkg you have no way to know it |
| 07:28.40 | bardzusny | (poor joke, I know) |
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| 07:29.20 | bardzusny | try -E, -G options |
| 07:29.27 | Stilltrying | hi |
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| 07:29.42 | kimkaka | &win 21 |
| 07:29.45 | kimkaka | oops |
| 07:29.57 | Stilltrying | is anyone available to help me ? |
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| 07:30.00 | Stilltrying | please |
| 07:30.23 | bardzusny | just ask |
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| 07:33.20 | Stilltrying | ok. so I have a VM on WinXP running Debian (console mode only) and I cannot get access to my usb stick (searched on google already but could not get it to work) |
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| 07:34.36 | dym | Stilltrying: What Virtualisation Software? You need to deliver more information |
| 07:34.53 | klys | stilltrying: dmesg | grep sd |
| 07:35.21 | kingsley | Stilltrying: Maybe your vm has an option to specify where your usb stick is. |
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| 07:35.46 | Stilltrying | VirtualBox 4.1.18, I installed the extansion pack also and everything looks fine but I don't know how to verify that the usb stick is detected first |
| 07:36.07 | dym | Stilltrying: you need to attach the usb stick to the VM |
| 07:36.21 | dym | Stilltrying: there are options in the bottom of the VM view |
| 07:36.31 | kingsley | Stilltrying: Like... winxp$ virtualbox -usb=/dev/sd/1 debian.iso |
| 07:37.13 | Stilltrying | done that already |
| 07:37.53 | kingsley | What did you find by searching Google's indices? |
| 07:38.01 | Stilltrying | klys : i got [sdb] in front of what looks like the usb stick size, it means it's attached to sdb right ? |
| 07:38.35 | klys | after adding it to "disks" and rebooting, dmesg | grep sd; fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 07:40.30 | Stilltrying | klys> you're my hero ! (noob here). I got everything to work and I was looking to check where the stick was attached to but nothing on google could give me the right answer |
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| 07:41.19 | cardamon | Wonderful. I wrecked my audio. |
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| 07:43.01 | A|i3N | Is there a package I can get that is similar to windows movie maker? I need to take an audio file and add a jpg so I can upload to youtube. Preferably easily. |
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| 07:44.27 | Stilltrying | ok now that i got the files copied to my partition, how do i "run" them ? |
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| 07:49.30 | EdePopede | good morning! |
| 07:49.45 | EdePopede | having hwinfo telling me Model: "ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]" what server do i need? |
| 07:50.04 | EdePopede | * X server |
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| 07:51.11 | Stilltrying | sorry if it was not clear. I mean, I have an .efp file (to install a server), how do I execute the file ? |
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| 07:53.41 | Stilltrying | found it. thanks anyway |
| 07:58.17 | EdePopede | oh.. and having misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20 as xterm default (and for smaller font size), any suggestions what to use for font4 and above? should be iso10646-1 with more than only basic character set |
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| 08:00.21 | vampirnata | does anyone use byobu here? |
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| 08:00.45 | nsadmin | vampirnata |
| 08:00.48 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 08:00.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:03.23 | vampirnata | Okay, sorry. I am having a problem with byobu. I ssh into my server and have byobu running. The function keys F1-F12 are assigned to byobu but when I run midnight commander I want to use those function keys for MC. There is a shortcut for byobu according to the docs, ctrl-a+! that is supposed to disable byobu shortcuts. When I use that I get a message "Can't break with only one pane". I haven't changed anything in the initial set |
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| 08:04.57 | vampirnata | I don't mind changing to another screen-type application if one is suggested. |
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| 08:09.17 | Mimiko | Hello. How to specify $ORIGIN to the -rpath flag when configuring php, so in the final executable rpath will point to something $ORIGIN/../lib ? |
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| 08:15.36 | EdePopede | aptitude search xserver-xorg-video <<< any other strings to look for? |
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| 08:20.24 | dizzylizzy | is it safe to create/remove partitions from a disk that is currently being used? I have debian running on a 650 GB partition and 100 GB of free space I'd like to partition, should I use a LiveCD just to be safe? |
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| 08:20.44 | dizzylizzy | i am not modifying active or mounted partitions |
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| 08:20.59 | blackshirt | what the difference stack,heap, and buffer |
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| 08:21.41 | blackshirt | dizzlizzy, use live cd |
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| 08:22.57 | blackshirt | and make a backup before doing that |
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| 08:24.07 | ksuhku | dizzylizzy, you might want to ask on #parted |
| 08:24.38 | EdePopede | parted? is fdisk dead? |
| 08:25.19 | vampirnata | So I moved to tmux instead of byobu. Working much better now. |
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| 08:51.00 | royh | what's this months preferred way to get java working in a browser? |
| 08:51.31 | vampirnata | depends on the browser |
| 08:51.40 | royh | iceweasel or chromium |
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| 08:52.10 | vampirnata | apt-get should do the trick, at least for me it did |
| 08:52.20 | royh | which package? |
| 08:52.33 | BlitzHere | Hi everyone, I just guis |
| 08:52.34 | vampirnata | depends which java jre you want |
| 08:52.42 | royh | really doesn't matter |
| 08:52.58 | BlitzHere | Got drivers as a tar.gz |
| 08:53.13 | vampirnata | royh: apt-get openjdk |
| 08:53.18 | vampirnata | royh: apt-get install openjdk |
| 08:53.23 | vampirnata | I eman |
| 08:53.28 | EdePopede | anyone using ati graphic card? |
| 08:53.32 | vampirnata | sigh, typing is not working for me today |
| 08:53.40 | royh | vampirnata: no such package, but ok |
| 08:54.08 | BlitzHere | Do I have to get build-tools and make install or am I missing something |
| 08:54.15 | EdePopede | aptitude search jdk <<< and then copy-paste with the mouse |
| 08:54.16 | BlitzHere | Thanks! |
| 08:54.21 | vampirnata | royh: you have to be a little smarter :/ openjdk-7-jre |
| 08:54.46 | vampirnata | to be honest it's the first google search... |
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| 08:55.06 | royh | vampirnata: no it's not. you get last months way to install java if you google for it |
| 08:55.44 | vampirnata | last months way? |
| 08:55.52 | royh | everything was just so much easier with sun-java6-plugin. but i guess debians new policy is to be difficult. |
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| 08:56.04 | vampirnata | wiki.debian.org/Java/ |
| 08:56.32 | vampirnata | apt-get install default-jre |
| 08:56.38 | vampirnata | if you want to be pedantic |
| 08:57.15 | vampirnata | I don't see anything difficult about it... |
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| 09:03.20 | stephan48 | how can i make rsync show me a list of files different between a and b and not correct them? |
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| 09:03.44 | stephan48 | s/correct/transfer/ |
| 09:05.28 | liquidee | I need to compile a kernel module named solo6x10, and im running debian squeeze. I found the source code for the module in linux source 3.2 in drivers/staging/media/solo6x10 directory. There is a makefile present there, but when i run 'make' it says that theres nothing to do |
| 09:05.40 | seravitae | has anyone successfully updated glibc under wheezy before? |
| 09:05.51 | seravitae | ie manual compliation. |
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| 09:16.22 | BlitzHere | So, I did a minimal install of debian, upgraded to wheezy and got all the packages I manually. There are two issues. One, my sound doesnt work. I have both alsa-base and alsa-tools. The other issue is that I have my printer drivers as a tar.gz. On unpacking them and running install.sh, the installer crashes out with "can't determine package management system". Can anyone help? Thanks |
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| 09:17.56 | JeffJohnson | I have a self written initramfs, after executing switch_root the /etc/mtab entries aren't corrent, all mounted tmpfs are missing and /etc/proc/mounts/ still contains the paths before switch_root with /newroot/ prepended, anybody have a hint? |
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| 09:25.48 | nkuttler | BlitzHere: output of aplay -l ? |
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| 09:28.46 | Iridos | dpkg, alsa checklist |
| 09:28.46 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 09:36.16 | \Jan | Is there a way to basically restart all services and stuff without actually rebooting |
| 09:36.35 | \Jan | like just restart the whole init tree of processes |
| 09:37.26 | seravitae | change to single user mode and back, via changing the runlevel? |
| 09:37.36 | ectospasm | \Jan: you could "init 1" then "init 2" |
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| 09:37.52 | \Jan | so basically both of you said the same thing |
| 09:38.00 | \Jan | so I guess that's the answer; thanks |
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| 09:44.12 | BlitzHere | nkuttler, Iridos, thanks but the power just went out here :P I will try those out in an hour or so when the power usually comes back |
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| 09:45.37 | BlitzHere | I'm finding debian very nice. How bloaty is ubuntu? When I installed xubuntu, my system couldn't handle it. But now, I got xfce4 on debian and its as smooth as ever... |
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| 09:45.56 | seravitae | ubuntu is bloaty |
| 09:46.10 | kimkaka | especially with unity now |
| 09:46.12 | ectospasm | severely bloated |
| 09:46.14 | ajikeshi | and per default not free |
| 09:46.18 | \Jan | so: |
| 09:46.19 | seravitae | however i dont think you can compare metrics as easily as you did, its a bit apples vs oranges |
| 09:46.19 | \Jan | insserv: warning: script 'origami' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 09:46.31 | \Jan | what does this mean and how should I fix it |
| 09:46.41 | ectospasm | \Jan: that's a nonfatal warning |
| 09:46.45 | seravitae | you should choose a distribution for the features it has, the maintainance it does, and any other requirements |
| 09:46.52 | \Jan | I'm trying to use `rcconf' to have origami not start every boot up |
| 09:46.54 | seravitae | distro-hopping doesnt serve any useful purpose. |
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| 09:46.57 | \Jan | but it just fails with that |
| 09:47.05 | ectospasm | it means your init script doesn't have the Linux Standards Base goodness SysV init tends to expect. |
| 09:47.18 | BlitzHere | It serves to learn about linux.l - which is what I'm doing |
| 09:48.19 | BlitzHere | And I'm running a P4 1.6Ghz with 512MB RAM. So, yeah, my choices are limited... |
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| 09:49.03 | BlaDe^ | Hi guys, i'm getting mysql-server-5.5 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.5 (= 5.5.24+dfsg-4) but 5.5.24+dfsg-5 is to be installed |
| 09:49.24 | BlaDe^ | whenever I try to install something, but when I do install -f it fails because of dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.5_5.5.24+dfsg-5_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 09:49.38 | BlaDe^ | i don't really care about it right now, i mean mysql dfsg-4 is working great for me ;) but I can't install anything else... |
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| 09:50.09 | themill | can you pastebin the entire output? |
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| 09:51.17 | afsal | why my debian not support compiz |
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| 09:54.10 | afsal | plz help me compiz is not workin' |
| 09:54.20 | \Jan | Do you have any error? |
| 09:54.33 | \Jan | error message* |
| 09:54.37 | afsal | no |
| 09:56.32 | afsal | can't boot with xorg.conf |
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| 09:59.03 | ksk | hi |
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| 09:59.27 | ksk | quotaon (ext4 journaling quota setup in fstab) says: quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. |
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| 09:59.52 | ksk | any way to investigate where it comes from, or what is needed in kernel to use it? |
| 10:00.16 | ksk | quota itself seems to work, but would like to get rid of this message / understand whats going on |
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| 10:03.02 | jelly | ksk: which quota format did you use with quotacheck? |
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| 10:03.25 | chrisirc | Hello. My Compaq nc2400 running Debian stable has some issue with fan regulation. Sometimes the fan just won't go off anymore; the only way to resolve it is to reboot. Any idea? |
| 10:03.41 | \Jan | ectospasm: so I basically just copied the header stuff from one other init script into /etc/insserv/overrides/origami and edited it a little, and now it works; thanks |
| 10:03.41 | chrisirc | I'm hoping for some service that I can reboot, but restarting acpid and hal doesn't help. |
| 10:04.14 | \Jan | chrisirc: uh, fancontrol I think |
| 10:04.18 | chrisirc | Putting it to sleep doesn't help either, the fan just resumes after wakeup. |
| 10:04.30 | \Jan | I'm not sure if that's specific for some models or something |
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| 10:05.07 | ksk | jelly: "-vgm" |
| 10:05.21 | chrisirc | fancontrol is already installed; but I've restarted it now (no change yet, waiting some). |
| 10:05.30 | afsal | can't boot with xorg.conf |
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| 10:07.55 | chrisirc | Hm, fancontrol doesn't run since there is no /etc/fancontrol |
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| 10:08.52 | chrisirc | Well, seems something *else* is running usually that regulates the fan; it's just that it breaks sometimes. |
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| 10:11.38 | chrisirc | How can I find out what programs Debian uses by default that are tied to fan regulation? |
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| 10:20.50 | johndoe | any tuts on a minimal debian install? |
| 10:21.13 | ksk | what do you want to do? |
| 10:21.24 | johndoe | i wanna setup a system without the packages i dont need |
| 10:21.24 | chrisirc | Hm, running sensors-detect told me to load the 'coretemp' kernel module, but doing that still doesn't shut down the fan... |
| 10:21.33 | ksk | just install via netinstall/businesscard and dont select anything in install |
| 10:21.40 | johndoe | eg. gnome-desktop-environment comes with a lot of packages i dont need |
| 10:21.43 | ksk | or do an debootstrap with --variant=minbase |
| 10:21.45 | aether | chrisirc: coretemp is the thermal sensor on your cpu |
| 10:21.59 | johndoe | ksk: i just did a basic debootstrap |
| 10:22.00 | chrisirc | That's what sensors-detect told me, yes. |
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| 10:22.24 | chrisirc | (So..?) |
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| 10:28.12 | nsadmin | johndoe, don't install gnome, which does have a lot of content... you can install the packages you need, which may pull in deps of their own |
| 10:29.09 | nsadmin | if you don't want all of gnome, don't install packages meant to pull in all of gnome |
| 10:29.55 | johndoe | nsadmin: thanks, just found out about that one. so i dont install gnome, but install gnome-core :) |
| 10:30.36 | BlitzHere | johndoe. http://paste.debian.net/179752/ |
| 10:30.49 | BlitzHere | Thanks to pparadis for that |
| 10:31.05 | johndoe | BlitzHere: thanks |
| 10:31.38 | themill | disabling recommends unconditionally is a poor choice |
| 10:31.41 | BlitzHere | You can search packages.debian.org for the right package names |
| 10:32.17 | johndoe | my last install grew upto a whooping 20GB, ive no idea how that happened |
| 10:32.18 | BlitzHere | It's personal preference. I didn't do that. |
| 10:32.31 | johndoe | (ok stuff like matlab & vmware) |
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| 10:33.00 | themill | BlitzHere: it's not just a personal preference, it's "supported configuration" vs "you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks" |
| 10:33.14 | ectospasm | 20GB is about all you really need for /, I typically have /home on a separate partition to make system wipes much easier... |
| 10:33.28 | johndoe | same here |
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| 10:34.16 | BlitzHere | johndoe. If you use xdm, then you will need to configure it. Take a look at this. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian |
| 10:34.18 | evildmp | someone has given me some firewall rules, in the form -A CF-INPUT-FILTER -s 10.239.111.2 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 7937:9936 -j ACCEPT |
| 10:34.28 | evildmp | are these ufw rules |
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| 10:36.15 | BlitzHere | themill: apt-get will still install all the dependencies. The config will work but you will have to choose all the extras. I didn't disable that actually. But even if I did, I can look on packages.debian.org and just install the recommendations that I need |
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| 10:36.32 | ratatata | nu |
| 10:37.29 | themill | BlitzHere: when things don't work, the problem is usually more subtle than that and can be a lot of work to figure out. For the sake of a few bytes on disk... it's simplest just to let apt install the recommended packages. |
| 10:38.11 | johndoe | themill: have you encountered such problems? |
| 10:38.28 | themill | I've spent more than my fair share of time trying to fix them, yes. |
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| 10:40.18 | BlitzHere | themill: Well, I did install all the recommended packages. I find in better that way too. But some people prefer to spend a lot of time fixing them. Ergo, personal choice. And in any case, pparadis instructions were specifically to get a minimum workable desktop... |
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| 10:42.08 | themill | BlitzHere: it's personal choice to "rm -rf /" but that doesn't make it a sensible thing to do or mean that we should end up spending lots of time helping you fix it. |
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| 10:42.44 | johndoe | yea, i just did that |
| 10:43.07 | johndoe | the system was beyond repair |
| 10:43.12 | johndoe | better start clean :P |
| 10:44.28 | stephan48 | how can i make rsync just print differences? |
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| 10:51.53 | tuv | i have a machine that keeps rebooting itself every few hours. can't see anyting unusual in the logs (syslog,messages,kern,dmesg). how can i debug this problem? |
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| 10:56.24 | CM-Pizarro | Hi all |
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| 10:59.27 | CM-Pizarro | I am trying to build a network to share data (files) between two remote locations. Each one has a Debian server, where I configured a shared network folder. These folders should be synced with each other, so when users in location A put there files, users in location B will see them, and backwards, and the same with changes in them. Some sort of Dropbox, but invisible to the users (they only see the shared folders). I have seen |
| 10:59.27 | CM-Pizarro | Unison, but it needs SSH connection between the locations, and we don't want to open this port. I also checked Amazon S3 using s3cmd command, but unfortunately it doesn't have a way to support two-way syncing. Any idea? thanks. |
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| 11:00.54 | CM-Pizarro | By the way, Dropbox would perfectly work with their Linux service, but again, unfortunately, one of the locations is China, where Dropbox is not supported. |
| 11:01.45 | smcavoy | CM-Pizarro: google drive? box.net? etc. |
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| 11:02.30 | CM-Pizarro | smcavoy: it must be a Linux server, final users will only see a shared network folder where they put and retrieve files, no Web clients, no standalone clients to connect to external service, etc.. |
| 11:02.45 | CM-Pizarro | smcavoy: sorry, I mean a Linux service |
| 11:03.51 | smcavoy | CM-Pizarro: well if you can't open any ports how do you expect to communicate between the two hosts? |
| 11:04.44 | BusMaster | CM-Pizarro, I heard unison can communicate over either a direct socket link or tunneling over an encrypted ssh connection |
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| 11:04.52 | johndoe | well you acually can |
| 11:04.54 | johndoe | tunneling |
| 11:05.08 | CM-Pizarro | smcavoy: well, I can do that right now through external servers, I am doing that now with Amazon S3 using s3cmd, and I could do it also with Dropbox linux service with no need to open ports. The problem is that the later doesn't have a way to implement 2-way, and the former is not supported in China |
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| 11:05.56 | CM-Pizarro | BusMaster: yes, I checked it, I will go back to it again and review, but I understood it only accepted SSH |
| 11:06.03 | BusMaster | CM-Pizarro, http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download/releases/stable/unison-manual.html#socketmeth |
| 11:06.34 | CM-Pizarro | Yeah, I know that link |
| 11:06.44 | CM-Pizarro | So Unison is the only reasonable way? |
| 11:06.48 | smcavoy | you can't open ssh but opening a port for unison directly is ok? |
| 11:06.50 | CM-Pizarro | for 2-way I mean |
| 11:06.55 | thewanderer1 | CM-Pizarro, and what problem exactly have you got with "opening" a port? |
| 11:06.57 | smcavoy | why not run ssh on a different port |
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| 11:07.44 | CM-Pizarro | but isn't there any other solution? |
| 11:08.06 | thewanderer1 | get an intermediate host where you store everything and replicate to the 2. |
| 11:08.27 | thewanderer1 | (so that you'll open a port in there, which is just as bad and just as useful) |
| 11:08.29 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: there you go!!!! that's exactly what I'm doing with Amazon S3 and s3cmd |
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| 11:08.51 | thewanderer1 | well, find any other file host? :P |
| 11:09.02 | BusMaster | CM-Pizarro, webDAV-Sync? |
| 11:09.12 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: all work similar, the problem I have is the damn 2way syncing |
| 11:09.39 | CM-Pizarro | when having Master-Slave, is very easy, tens of methods and solutions outthere |
| 11:09.45 | CM-Pizarro | the problem comes when Master-Master |
| 11:09.49 | thewanderer1 | mount one host's NFS share on the other in the same location, tunnel the NFS traffic over SSH? |
| 11:09.59 | thewanderer1 | (or it could go straight over the Internet, with krb5p) |
| 11:10.27 | SPF | how can I install debian on SD card? during setup it does not detect the SD card and mmc driver is not included |
| 11:10.45 | BusMaster | CM-Pizarro, http://www.re.be/webdav_sync/index.xhtml <--- does bi-directional syncing (mirroring) |
| 11:10.46 | CM-Pizarro | If I had to open a SSH port to share files, then I would stick with the VPN that we currentñy have… and provide a network drive with all the files..but I want to avoid this |
| 11:11.33 | CM-Pizarro | BusMaster: mmm interesting, I'll check it |
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| 11:11.39 | thewanderer1 | would go with a VPN instead of using a shady third party out there any day |
| 11:11.46 | CM-Pizarro | BusMaster: I heard of WebDAV but don't know much about it |
| 11:12.27 | thewanderer1 | SPF, if it's detected on an installed system, use debootstrap and perform the procedure manually (no d-i) |
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| 11:12.56 | BusMaster | thewanderer1, can he install grub that way? |
| 11:13.03 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: well, if you had 3 locations around the globe, and the vpn server in one of them, .. you wouldn't think the same if you had to work constantñy on these files |
| 11:13.06 | SPF | thewanderer1: it's detected on an installed system yes |
| 11:13.41 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: then you would start thinking of having local copies.. |
| 11:13.48 | thewanderer1 | CM-Pizarro, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:13.54 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: and then you would star thinking on syncing them.. |
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| 11:14.09 | johndoe | this tut fails at MAKEDEV http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en what gives? |
| 11:14.12 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: we have a shitty VPN server in one of 3 locations around the planet |
| 11:14.23 | thewanderer1 | I mean, are you working on files from many locations and resorting to syncing files instead of using a proper version control tool? |
| 11:14.30 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: where there are network drives with all the corporate files we must use everyday |
| 11:14.50 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: this is slow, non efficient, and we depend on this office power and serve maintenance |
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| 11:15.07 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: so I thought we could have somehow local copies of these files |
| 11:15.09 | thewanderer1 | I guess I'd connect to it, git pull the contents, and when there are changes, git commit and git push... |
| 11:15.23 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: git? |
| 11:15.34 | CM-Pizarro | thewanderer1: but the changes could be coming from 3 different sites.. |
| 11:15.54 | bardzusny | johndoe: mount --bind /dev /target/dev (example) |
| 11:15.55 | thewanderer1 | so what? still better if git guards the changes, than to risk replacing someone else's work |
| 11:16.03 | themill | CM-Pizarro: are people likely to work on the same file in different locations? Are they text files or binary files? |
| 11:16.21 | CM-Pizarro | themill: 95% office files, |
| 11:16.27 | CM-Pizarro | doc xls and ppt |
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| 11:16.56 | CM-Pizarro | but they are now used to map a drive and boom, all the files there |
| 11:17.12 | Subfusc | boom |
| 11:17.15 | SPF | thewanderer1: you suggest to use ramdisk to download debootstrap and install from there? |
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| 11:17.36 | CM-Pizarro | so introducing any new step in the middle, like having to open the browser and going to Google docs, or using a client to access to who know where is not accepted |
| 11:17.37 | BusMaster | SPF, why would you need a ramdisk? |
| 11:17.47 | thewanderer1 | using debootstrap on SD card has nasty implications |
| 11:18.02 | SPF | BusMaster: because debian installer does not find my SD card |
| 11:18.36 | BusMaster | SPF, you should use debootstrap on an installed system which recognizes the SD card |
| 11:19.19 | SPF | BusMaster: I'm currently using TFTP for installations, can't I somehow use this as an advantage? |
| 11:19.25 | themill | CM-Pizarro: I wonder if a replicating filesystem would be better for you that way you have both a local copy and syncing. But I don't know how well they behave when you have flaky connectivity |
| 11:20.27 | BusMaster | SPF, you can get stuff to be installed from tftp, but that won't help you to install _to_ a device that is not detected |
| 11:20.52 | SPF | BusMaster: unless you make it so that the iso from tftp/bootp does detect it? |
| 11:20.58 | themill | CM-Pizarro: things like unison aren't great here because they always tend to need manual supervision to make sure they're doing the right thing, they are slow on large data sets and there would be a time lag for the syncing to happen. Unison will also throw a wobbly when you have conflicting changes |
| 11:21.38 | CM-Pizarro | themill: do you think is there any real alternative to the VPN network drive? |
| 11:22.06 | CM-Pizarro | themill: Dropbox is exactly what I would like to implement, and works great with its Linux service.. |
| 11:22.16 | BusMaster | SPF, yes.. but if you are able to tailor the iso, you might as well put that iso on you install cd/usb-disk . There is no specific advantage that tftp provides, unless you are using some embedded system that doesn't have other options |
| 11:22.25 | themill | CM-Pizarro: I've never personally done this, but there are certainly people using things like drbd or gluster for this |
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| 11:22.53 | themill | CM-Pizarro: also dropbox isn't going to handle conflicts in a sane way either |
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| 11:23.05 | thewanderer1 | SPF, boot a live system (Debian-Live) and use debootstrap from there. |
| 11:23.39 | CM-Pizarro | themill: I wonder how companies do this, I can't believe they just have one machine for the entire planet sharing docs.. |
| 11:24.12 | SPF | thewanderer1: is that possible over network? |
| 11:24.22 | themill | CM-Pizarro: git annex assistant is a (work in progress) project that will do syncing of files like dropbox. But I don't know how well it's going to handle people modifying documents as opposed to just sharing read-only documents. |
| 11:24.39 | thewanderer1 | SPF, well, there are netboot (PXE/TFTP) images for Debian-Live |
| 11:25.00 | SPF | thewanderer1: cool! I'm going to give it a try |
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| 11:26.06 | edgars_ | yo |
| 11:26.17 | edgars_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.18 | edgars_ | 192.168.0.4:3260,1 iqn.2011-03.example.org.istgt:www-bekapi |
| 11:26.23 | edgars_ | and |
| 11:26.35 | CM-Pizarro | themill, ok thanks , not sure how I'm going to handle this now |
| 11:26.38 | edgars_ | iscsiadm --mode node --targetname iqn.2011-03.example.org.istgt:www-bekapi --portal 192.168.1.4:3260 --login |
| 11:26.41 | edgars_ | iscsiadm: no records found! |
| 11:26.42 | edgars_ | wtf? |
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| 11:27.42 | dokma | do I have to reboot after commenting out gettys from from inittab? |
| 11:27.50 | thewanderer1 | dokma, "init q" |
| 11:27.53 | edgars_ | iscsiadm -m node -L all |
| 11:27.57 | edgars_ | this one works |
| 11:27.57 | themill | CM-Pizarro: replicated or distributed filesystem sounds like what you're talking about. (drbd or gluster as I mentioned earlier) But I have no experience with these to guide you further... perhaps others do or these are at least keywords that will help you google for more ideas. |
| 11:28.14 | dokma | thewanderer1: thanks! |
| 11:28.22 | CM-Pizarro | themill: I though drbd and glisters were nicknames! |
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| 11:29.19 | themill | CM-Pizarro: http://blogs.oucs.ox.ac.uk/jamest/2011/06/03/replicating-block-devices-with-drbd/ , http://download.gluster.com/pub/gluster/glusterfs/3.2/Documentation/AG/html/index.html etc |
| 11:30.05 | CM-Pizarro | ok thanks |
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| 11:30.46 | JimLesta | I would like to compile a command line utility (/bin/sh ./configure --with-openssl=/usr, make clean, make). What software should I install? |
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| 11:31.11 | ectospasm | JimLesta: build-essential |
| 11:31.35 | JimLesta | ectospasm, thank you |
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| 11:46.50 | SPF | I cannot find any information how to use pxe with live-cd |
| 11:47.02 | SPF | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Network_Image_Server <- only tells you theory things |
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| 11:47.25 | SPF | on the mirrors I only see pxe images for netboot |
| 11:47.46 | ksk | setup pxe environment, mount the image as loopdevice, export the mountpoint as nfsroot for pxeboot |
| 11:48.09 | ksk | should work imho |
| 11:48.59 | SPF | I need the live-cd, because I'm afraid netboot does not detect my SD card |
| 11:49.36 | SPF | but pxe requires a lot of files including pxelinux.0 syslinux.cfg etc |
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| 11:50.04 | thewanderer1 | SPF, yes, the shipped files are for use with the pxelinux.0 boot loader |
| 11:50.29 | thewanderer1 | how is that different from using the netinst cd with PXE? IIRC, it requires pxelinux, too :P |
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| 11:51.22 | SPF | thewanderer1: I understand the theory, but I lack the practical experience |
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| 11:55.32 | thewanderer1 | SPF, you already have a TFTP server, don't you? |
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| 11:55.45 | SPF | thewanderer1: I think I'm already using the netboot iso, but it does not detect my SD card |
| 11:56.05 | konard | which huawei 3g usb modem is recommended for debian? |
| 11:56.30 | thewanderer1 | SPF, netboot or netinst? |
| 11:56.49 | SPF | thewanderer1: netboot |
| 11:57.04 | thewanderer1 | okay, so you're presumably booting from pxelinux.0 and using pxelinux.cfg |
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| 11:57.34 | SPF | thewanderer1: yes |
| 11:57.45 | thewanderer1 | SPF, go here, pick a tarball (switch to amd64 if needed): http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/net/ |
| 11:58.17 | thewanderer1 | you'll obtain a ready-made config, menu file, and squashfs filesystem... just keep the relative paths correct and it should work once you put the whole tarball subdir in your tftp root |
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| 12:08.40 | bwf | . |
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| 12:12.31 | Alir3z4 | I have [postfix,spamassasin, clamav,dovecot,apache,php,mysql,awstat] running on my debian[512 MB RAM]. but when i run "$ free -m" , i have just 50 mb free on the memory. Is that normal ? |
| 12:13.07 | SpComb | +/- cache and buffers |
| 12:13.15 | themill | spamassassin and mysql are both pretty hungry beasts |
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| 12:13.54 | Alir3z4 | Aha plus this giant monster "amavisd-new", for anti-virus |
| 12:14.26 | Alir3z4 | when i stop "amavisd-new" service them almost 120 Mb will be free! |
| 12:14.28 | bwf`1 | Hello, anyone using irssi? |
| 12:14.45 | Alir3z4 | at first i guess maybe there is something wrong with my configuration |
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| 12:15.03 | Alir3z4 | So i'm came here to be sure about them! |
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| 12:15.27 | pparadis | !anyone |
| 12:15.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:15.41 | blackshirt | what are you doubt about? |
| 12:15.41 | SPF | thewanderer1: it now complains about NFS not available |
| 12:15.56 | bwf`1 | oh. |
| 12:15.57 | bwf`1 | sry. |
| 12:16.27 | bwf`1 | is there a way to permanently see the number of channels you are in in irssi? |
| 12:16.35 | Alir3z4 | I want to be sure if a 512 Machine isn't enough for a mail-server like that! |
| 12:17.19 | blackshirt | i don't kno exactly |
| 12:17.23 | blackshirt | Know |
| 12:18.14 | pparadis | bwf`1: see the third to last example on the tips page. you should be able to adapt that to suit your needs --> http://irssi.org/documentation/tips/ |
| 12:18.19 | themill | Alir3z4: should be. You might want to tune mysql (/msg dpkg mysql memory usage) and apache (number of workers etc) to make sure it doesn't go nuts. Also carefully consider the limits on the size of mail that is given to spamassassin and how many children it spawns. They get very hungry |
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| 12:21.50 | Alir3z4 | themill: i thinking also mysql should be tuned-up a little bit, but the big part of issue will came from amavisd and spamassasin, when i stop them i can see the smile on the server face! |
| 12:22.41 | thewanderer1 | SPF, well, turns out you're going to need an NFS server, as shown in /tftpboot/debian-live/$ARCH/boot-screens/live.cfg -- set one up, put the squashfs file in it (/filesystem.squashfs), as described in the manual -- should work |
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| 12:22.56 | themill | Alir3z4: memory usage isn't a problem, lack of free memory isn't necessarily a problem... |
| 12:23.07 | bwf`1 | pparadis: merci! |
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| 12:23.49 | Alir3z4 | themill: So what should i consider here ? |
| 12:24.04 | thewanderer1 | Alir3z4, which line are you looking at? the +/- buffers/cache, or the first line in free -m ? |
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| 12:25.47 | Alir3z4 | thewanderer1: first like => "Mem: " |
| 12:25.50 | Alir3z4 | line* |
| 12:26.10 | pparadis | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 12:28.14 | thewanderer1 | Alir3z4, yeah, read that link from pparadis |
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| 12:35.14 | Mephisto | hi. Does anyone know what's the prob between Opera 12 and gecko-mediaplayer on squeeze? |
| 12:35.28 | Mephisto | it doesn't work and it doesn't appear on plugins list in opera's settings. |
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| 12:35.39 | Mephisto | yet it's in the path. |
| 12:35.48 | Mephisto | it just doesn't accept it for some reason. Any clues? |
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| 12:39.22 | thewanderer1 | Mephisto, so you're expecting to receive help in running a plug-in for Gecko-based browsers in a browser which doesn't use Gecko, on a channel which is completely unrelated to the proprietary browser? O.o |
| 12:39.55 | Mephisto | thewanderer1, man.. chill out, it's me :) |
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| 12:40.05 | Mephisto | in case you didn't guess |
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| 12:40.38 | Mephisto | as for "gecko-based browsers"... it DOES work in Opera, it's worked before, now it doesn't for some reason. |
| 12:40.49 | Mephisto | otherwise i wouldn't have bothered anyone |
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| 12:44.55 | BlitzHere | Hmm, my sound doesn't work. I have alsa-base and alsa-tools installed. Can someone help me please. Thanks. And what was the command to ask dpkg about alsa? |
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| 12:45.02 | BlitzHere | dpkg alsa |
| 12:45.02 | dpkg | The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:45.30 | stardiaries | dpkg -l | grep alsa |
| 12:45.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep alsa |
| 12:45.33 | BlitzHere | dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 12:45.33 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 12:46.09 | abrotman | BlitzHere: msg the bot |
| 12:46.20 | stardiaries | BlitzHere: is there any other daemon running like esound / jack or something? |
| 12:46.21 | BlitzHere | Just did :) |
| 12:46.34 | abrotman | BlitzHere: no, that's filling the channel .. /msg dpkg foo |
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| 12:47.41 | BlitzHere | stardiaries: nope, I am running a minimum install. I got xfce4, xdm, alsa-base and alsa-tools manually. I'm going thru the checklist now |
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| 12:47.46 | nsadmin | what's ip addrlabel for? |
| 12:47.58 | abrotman | waves at Mephisto |
| 12:48.19 | stardiaries | su |
| 12:48.22 | stardiaries | ooops |
| 12:48.26 | stardiaries | wrong window... |
| 12:48.28 | Mephisto | abrotman, yeah, hello. I hope you won't be "helping" me |
| 12:48.33 | nsadmin | suuuuuuups |
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| 12:48.39 | linkdd | hi |
| 12:48.41 | themill | stardiaries: Password: |
| 12:48.51 | linkdd | I have some trouble with installing apache2 via apt-src |
| 12:49.07 | linkdd | I got some package conflict with apache2-mpm-* |
| 12:49.25 | stardiaries | password is "themill" but i'm not gonna telling you this |
| 12:49.27 | linkdd | I run apt-src install apache2, then apt-src build -i apache2 |
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| 12:52.18 | Strogg | We got a new network laser printer at work.. it's a Dell 2155cdn. Debian Wheezy didn't have drivers for it, so I went to dell's site and they had an rpm for RHEL.. so.. I alien'd it, copied the files into the right places, fixed permissions, and printed a test page.. and this is what I got. http://paste.debian.net/179934/ |
| 12:52.35 | Strogg | anyone know what's going wrong? There's no much in the way of errors there |
| 12:52.37 | stardiaries | linkdd: do you have any apache2-mpm package already installed? |
| 12:52.55 | stardiaries | ...you can have only 1, they're mutually exclusive |
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| 12:55.08 | nsadmin | Strogg, wonder if it does plain postscript |
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| 12:56.02 | Strogg | hrmm |
| 12:56.58 | nsadmin | BlitzHere, there is an #alsa on this net in case you need more info |
| 12:58.28 | linkdd | stardiaries: I have no apache installed |
| 12:58.57 | linkdd | so why apt-src try to install all of them ? |
| 12:59.08 | linkdd | and which one have I to choose ? |
| 12:59.29 | thewanderer1 | linkdd, choose the one you need - and apt-src tries to install all, because they're all built from the same source package :P |
| 12:59.37 | stardiaries | try mpm-prefork or mpm-worker |
| 13:00.03 | BlitzHere | nsadmin: thanks! |
| 13:00.17 | linkdd | ok thanks |
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| 13:02.40 | ganeshkumar | Hi all, I have one problem in DHCP, can anyone help me out? |
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| 13:02.54 | keith4 | am I crazy, or did backports.debian.org used to have instructions for how to make packages-installed-via-backports get automatically considered for upgrade, without having to specify -t squeeze-backports...? |
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| 13:03.09 | nsadmin | BlitzHere, welcome. of particular note, alsa-project.org has a script somewhere called alsa-info.sh |
| 13:03.28 | nsadmin | if you run that script, it will look at your system and pastebin a report of what it was |
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| 13:03.35 | nsadmin | what it saw |
| 13:03.36 | jhutchins_wk | keith4: No, that was always the point. You _don't_ want backports to do general installs. |
| 13:03.38 | stardiaries | linkdd: if you plan to install PHP you need prefork |
| 13:04.12 | keith4 | jhutchins_wk: I don't want _everything_ from backports installed, but I want things-that-I-intentionally-install to be kept current, when new(er) versions are backported |
| 13:04.14 | nsadmin | run that script, the url will be helpful to people here or people on #alsa |
| 13:04.26 | jhutchins_wk | keith4: That's how it works. |
| 13:04.28 | themill | keith4: the default configuration does that |
| 13:05.01 | keith4 | ... oh |
| 13:05.21 | thewanderer1 | huh? I thought PHP worked OK with worker, too? |
| 13:05.29 | themill | thewanderer1: not mod_php |
| 13:05.33 | linkdd | stardiaries: ok, thanks |
| 13:05.50 | thewanderer1 | aaa-ha, just suPHP. |
| 13:05.51 | keith4 | then I wonder why dist-upgrade showed nothing, but "install -t squeeze-backports nagios-plugins-basic" yielded "Preparing to replace nagios-plugins-basic 1.4.16~pre1-1~bpo60+1 (using .../nagios-plugins-basic_1.4.16-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb) ..." |
| 13:06.44 | keith4 | must be something else weird going on. (was that auto-upgrade of bpo packages *not* the default behavior, at one point? or should I try to get more sleep?) |
| 13:06.58 | stardiaries | thewanderer1: at least in repos the apach2-mod-php depends on preforkaptitu |
| 13:07.24 | jhutchins_wk | keith4: More sleep. |
| 13:07.24 | themill | keith4: apt presumably told you that you had stuff "kept back" -- sometimes upgrading requires you to tell it to "-t squeeze-backports install foo" stuff so that the dependencies that are not currently from backports get upgraded to ones from backports |
| 13:07.28 | stardiaries | ahhhm, sorry for misspelling, trying new window managers rite now :P |
| 13:07.46 | stardiaries | at least in repos the apache2-mod-php depends on prefork |
| 13:07.49 | themill | keith4: and yes, for lenny, auto-upgrade of bpo packages required manually tweaking the pinning |
| 13:07.52 | DammitJim | how do I run e17? |
| 13:08.00 | DammitJim | I installed it from the repo but can't find any instructions |
| 13:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Choose it from your login manager. |
| 13:08.21 | keith4 | jhutchins_wk, themill: thanks, as always. more coffee will have to suffice... |
| 13:08.21 | DammitJim | I take that back |
| 13:08.36 | DammitJim | I found something |
| 13:08.45 | DammitJim | I installed slim but slim isn't even starting |
| 13:08.54 | DammitJim | I probably need to install the nvidia drivers first? |
| 13:08.58 | DammitJim | gosh, I don't remember this stuff |
| 13:09.05 | stardiaries | /etc/init.d/slim restart |
| 13:09.20 | themill | keith4: it's not just a coffee/sleep problem, there are a number of corner cases with upgrading stuff in backports that do require some manual prodding |
| 13:09.23 | stardiaries | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.log |
| 13:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Nvidia should work with the standard open drivers, just not with all the features. |
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| 13:09.40 | DammitJim | oh |
| 13:09.51 | DammitJim | what login manager should i use? |
| 13:09.59 | aguitel | how install amsn from sid? |
| 13:09.59 | DammitJim | i've been using slim |
| 13:10.03 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: That said, do you have any GUI working yet? |
| 13:10.19 | DammitJim | no gui, but i didn't install a window manager |
| 13:10.21 | stardiaries | slim is nice and lightwheiht but you may need to adjust the config to be able to start enlightenment |
| 13:10.21 | themill | keith4: "foo 1.0-1~bpo60 depends on bar from squeeze; foo 1.1-1~bpo60 depends on bar from squeeze-backports" generally causes apt to skip the upgrade. |
| 13:10.26 | DammitJim | no kde nor gnome |
| 13:10.38 | keith4 | themill: that might explain why it wanted to remove iceweasel, a few weeks ago ;-) |
| 13:10.46 | DammitJim | ok, that's what I wanted to know... how do I change slim to recognize e17 |
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| 13:11.07 | keith4 | I think the mozilla-debian repo had screwy dependencies for a few days, or something. I forget exactly why I held that back... |
| 13:11.10 | DammitJim | I've successfully installed e17 from source and added it to my PATH, and installed slim and it worked |
| 13:11.12 | themill | keith4: yes, iceweasel and libreoffice tend to be a bit squiffy like this too as they keep accummulating yet more backported dependencies each release |
| 13:11.18 | stardiaries | edit your .xsession |
| 13:11.19 | DammitJim | but I Don't know what the process would be when installing from apt |
| 13:11.20 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: You should be able to start X by itself; most Desktop Environments have a startkde or whatever, and yes, a DM/login manager should start automatically. |
| 13:11.26 | DammitJim | maybe I need to add it to the path, too |
| 13:11.29 | stardiaries | and put enlightenment binary there with full path |
| 13:11.35 | stardiaries | than choode default login in slim |
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| 13:11.58 | stardiaries | choode=choose |
| 13:12.01 | DammitJim | searches for the enlightenment binary |
| 13:12.07 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: If you've tried to start slim manually it should have logged it's errors, possibly to /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:12.17 | DammitJim | on my install from source, it's enlightenment_start |
| 13:13.14 | stardiaries | cool |
| 13:13.19 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Well, there's your problem, installed from source instead of debian packaging. You won't get full automation that way. |
| 13:13.24 | stardiaries | make a "which enlightenment_start" |
| 13:13.35 | stardiaries | and put the result to .xsession |
| 13:13.41 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, no, I installed from source on another machine |
| 13:13.42 | stardiaries | then choose default login in slim |
| 13:13.55 | DammitJim | I even wrote a procedure on debianadministration.org about it |
| 13:14.07 | DammitJim | but that was a long time ago... that was the only way to get e17 running |
| 13:14.15 | DammitJim | but now that it's in the repo, I want to give that a try on a separate machine |
| 13:14.40 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: dpkg -L |
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| 13:14.52 | DammitJim | ok, I ran enlightenment_start and got an Ecore error |
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| 13:15.04 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions e17 |
| 13:15.05 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.70492-2; wheezy: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
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| 13:15.35 | DammitJim | ? |
| 13:15.49 | DammitJim | sorry, I'm slow this morning... trying to wake up with my second cup of coffeee |
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| 13:16.10 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: dpkg -L to locate binary. |
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| 13:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: dpkg -L e17 specifically. |
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| 13:16.46 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Also, /usr/share/doc/e17/README.debian |
| 13:16.57 | jhutchins_wk | ... approximately. |
| 13:17.11 | DammitJim | thanks jhutchins_wk you have a great point... I need to learn how to read these README files |
| 13:17.21 | DammitJim | brb... going to do my homework and read README.debian |
| 13:17.46 | stardiaries | dpkg --listfiles e17 | grep bin |
| 13:17.46 | dpkg | stardiaries: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:17.47 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: They're not always there, but when they are they can be really helpfull (as in the difference between frustration and it just works). |
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| 13:18.17 | jhutchins_wk | stardiaries: Very few of the binaries on my systems have the string "bin" in their filenames. |
| 13:18.32 | stardiaries | well, but maybe in the pathname? |
| 13:18.44 | DammitJim | what is the difference between README and README.Debian |
| 13:18.44 | stardiaries | as dpkg --listfiles returns full paths :P |
| 13:18.53 | DammitJim | README.Debian has no useful information in the 10 lines they wrote |
| 13:19.23 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Worth a shot. Other README files? |
| 13:19.30 | DammitJim | searching |
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| 13:21.07 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Why there you are in the first page of results. |
| 13:21.18 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Unfortunately all of the howtos appear to be videos. |
| 13:21.35 | jhutchins_wk | "Watch this video of how to get video working on your system." |
| 13:21.38 | jhutchins_wk | Brilliant. |
| 13:21.47 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 13:21.51 | stardiaries | try here: debe17.com |
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| 13:22.28 | DammitJim | thanks stardiaries ! but that's outdated |
| 13:22.33 | DammitJim | it doesn't use apt* |
| 13:22.43 | DammitJim | I've done it from source before |
| 13:22.49 | stardiaries | hmm, ok then |
| 13:22.56 | stardiaries | then u have to search youself :P |
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| 13:23.18 | DammitJim | yes, thank you |
| 13:23.23 | EdePopede | morning |
| 13:23.29 | DammitJim | maybe I need to ask in #debian-next? |
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| 13:28.13 | quebre | hi |
| 13:28.20 | quebre | how can i update thunderbird to latest? |
| 13:28.31 | quebre | http://www.mozilla.org/pl/thunderbird/ |
| 13:28.36 | quebre | this says that latest is 14 |
| 13:28.42 | quebre | but when i aptitude upgrade |
| 13:28.43 | BlitzHere | Hmmm, did the checklist. Still noz sound :( |
| 13:28.50 | quebre | i still have 3.1.17 |
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| 13:29.42 | abrotman | quebre: check mozilla.debian.net |
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| 13:30.46 | themill | there's only icedove-esr (10) there iirc |
| 13:31.31 | dvs | nope |
| 13:31.42 | dvs | they have 14.0 as well |
| 13:32.01 | themill | dvs: mozilla.d.n? I can't find it |
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| 13:32.22 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Did you ever look at the log? |
| 13:32.25 | dvs | themill: It's the "release" version |
| 13:32.27 | jhutchins_wk | !mdn |
| 13:32.27 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 13:32.38 | themill | dpkg: ice*dove* not ice*weasel* |
| 13:32.38 | dpkg | themill: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:32.45 | themill | dpkg: stfu |
| 13:32.45 | dpkg | well, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
| 13:32.53 | themill | dvs: ice*dove* not ice*weasel* |
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| 13:33.02 | dvs | facepalms |
| 13:33.18 | DammitJim | jhutchins, there is no X log |
| 13:33.22 | DammitJim | that's what I am looking at now |
| 13:33.34 | DammitJim | like I said.. .during install, I didn't pick a window manager |
| 13:33.58 | DammitJim | so, maybe I need to manually install everything that is required for a window manager and it doesn't automatically get installed when apt-get install e17 |
| 13:34.07 | jhutchins_wk | Dmitrijus: slim ought to produce some kind of output. |
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| 13:34.23 | DammitJim | like for running e17 from sources, I had to install x-window-system and such |
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| 13:34.35 | DammitJim | how does slim get started, though |
| 13:34.41 | DammitJim | this is like the chicken and the egg |
| 13:34.51 | stardiaries | -> /etc/init.d/slim start |
| 13:34.53 | stardiaries | :P |
| 13:34.58 | DammitJim | my machine as it is right now makes no effort on starting anything X |
| 13:34.59 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Which you would need to run from .deb as well, and it doesn't auto-install. |
| 13:35.01 | BlitzHere | Playing noise.wav as root also doesn't do anything |
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| 13:35.25 | stardiaries | can you start alsamxier? |
| 13:35.29 | stardiaries | alsamixer |
| 13:35.30 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: GUI packages do not auto-install X because they can be run remotely without it. |
| 13:35.37 | DammitJim | oh |
| 13:35.45 | DammitJim | so, what do I need to run from .deb? |
| 13:36.00 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Well, xorg... |
| 13:36.06 | stardiaries | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 13:36.13 | DammitJim | that's what I meant |
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| 13:36.33 | DammitJim | do I need anything else? like nvidia or glx and stuff like that? |
| 13:36.34 | BlitzHere | stardiaries: yes, I opened alsamixergui and I put all volumes to max. |
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| 13:37.54 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: xorg should pull most of the drivers and such. I did it with a tasksel for kde, so I don't know the details. |
| 13:37.56 | BlitzHere | Card is Intel 82801BA-ICH2 and chip is Realtek ALC200,200P rev 0. I have no idea if that's correct or not :P |
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| 13:38.04 | DammitJim | holy cow.. .that's a lot that xserver-xorg installs |
| 13:38.27 | DammitJim | video-trident? I haven't used a trident for ages |
| 13:39.00 | stardiaries | BlitzHere: I'm not quite sure if alsa supports that chips, maybe you need to look on their page... anyway if your card is there and you have faders in alsamixer then your chances are good |
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| 13:39.27 | stardiaries | does aplay generate any error? |
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| 13:40.35 | BlitzHere | stardiaries: nope. No errors |
| 13:40.56 | BlitzHere | I do remember having sound on xubuntu |
| 13:41.09 | stardiaries | BlitzHere: so it says "playing" but you cant hear a thing? |
| 13:41.22 | BlitzHere | Yes |
| 13:41.28 | stardiaries | are u sure you connected all the cables and such? |
| 13:41.35 | stardiaries | and alsamixer sliders are set to max. ? |
| 13:42.06 | BlitzHere | Yes, I made sure the speakers work by playing stuff off my music player. I tried both audio out ports |
| 13:42.09 | stardiaries | you may also need to restart if you haven't done it alreay after alsa installation |
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| 13:42.49 | BlitzHere | All available alsamixer slides are set to max. Double checked in commandline version too |
| 13:42.58 | DammitJim | jhutchins, stardiaries that did the trick |
| 13:43.01 | DammitJim | xserver-xorg |
| 13:43.14 | DammitJim | a reboot did it... slim started and logged me into e17 directly! |
| 13:43.17 | DammitJim | success! Thank you! |
| 13:43.27 | stardiaries | yea, like jhutchins said :P |
| 13:43.32 | BlitzHere | Already restarted, made sure the user account was in the audio group. I also tried playing as root... |
| 13:44.43 | BlitzHere | I also posted on the #alsa channel too...no replies there yet though |
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| 13:45.06 | BlitzHere | Hmm, I'm gonna boot up puppy and see if I get sound |
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| 13:45.27 | stardiaries | yea better try with the alsa guys |
| 13:45.43 | stardiaries | maybe it's something with your soundcard chipset |
| 13:45.50 | quebre | is iceweasel the same as thunderbird just the only diff is changed name ? |
| 13:46.37 | BlitzHere | stardiaries: am booting up puppy now. Just to make sure my hardware is all right |
| 13:47.27 | aguitel | how repair mbr ? |
| 13:48.18 | Rusty1 | quebre: yes |
| 13:48.53 | jhutchins_wk | !tell quebre why iceweasel |
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| 13:49.22 | EmleyMoor | quebre: No, icedove is thunderbird, iceweasel is firefox |
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| 13:52.52 | jhutchins_wk | !tell quebre about why iceweasel |
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| 13:54.11 | jhutchins_wk | EmleyMoor is correct of coursre. |
| 13:55.29 | Alir3z4 | thewanderer1, pparadis : Thank the link explains ecerything! |
| 13:55.38 | Alir3z4 | thanks* |
| 13:56.06 | BlitzHere | Well, music works on puppy |
| 13:57.30 | stardiaries | puppy use same kernel as debian? |
| 13:57.37 | aguitel | how repair mbr ? |
| 13:57.48 | BlitzHere | Slackware based |
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| 13:57.58 | stardiaries | i mean the kernel version |
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| 13:58.23 | stardiaries | uname - |
| 13:58.25 | stardiaries | uname -r |
| 13:58.38 | BlitzHere | I'm on wheezy and slackopuppy. They both use 3+ kernels |
| 13:58.39 | aswen | hi there, anyone knows what package I should install when I do ./configure and get this error: checking for GLIB... no |
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| 13:59.31 | fasta | Is there some application which will tell me how late it will be at some location on the planet given some other location and time at some other place on the planet? |
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| 14:00.27 | stardiaries | aswen: libglib2.0-dev |
| 14:00.30 | tensorpudding | aswen, maybe you don't have libglib headers installed |
| 14:00.36 | aswen | fasta, I'd use something like: date -d +2hours |
| 14:00.37 | tensorpudding | yes, that package |
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| 14:00.41 | BlitzHere | Not exactly. 3.1.10 for slacko and debian uses 3.2 something... |
| 14:00.54 | BlitzHere | stardiaries ^^ |
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| 14:01.03 | stardiaries | uh |
| 14:01.06 | stardiaries | regression? :P |
| 14:01.09 | fasta | aswen: does that take into account daylight saving time? |
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| 14:01.15 | stardiaries | if i were you i'd check with alsa guys |
| 14:01.25 | fasta | aswen: and well, basically everything else. |
| 14:01.32 | themill | fasta: tias |
| 14:01.49 | fasta | themill: application name? |
| 14:01.55 | themill | (and you can specify the "other" location with the TZ environment variable) |
| 14:02.11 | fasta | !tias |
| 14:02.11 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 14:02.14 | stardiaries | BlitzHere: maybe there's some options you need to set in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf but i'm not sure about that |
| 14:03.25 | aswen | fasta, I just thought you needed to get a different time, but re-reading yuour question my answer was not sufficient |
| 14:04.36 | thewanderer1 | fasta, many clock programs (KDE, GNOME?) support setting multiple time zones and displaying "world clock" |
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| 14:05.20 | thewanderer1 | also, `xplanet` can draw timestamps on place markers if you tell it to, when rendering the Earth |
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| 14:05.28 | fasta | themill: an appointment program would be more applicable. |
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| 14:05.51 | fasta | themill: the world clock application is a different application. |
| 14:05.53 | themill | fasta: any other requirements you want to throw in before people start spending time on this? |
| 14:06.02 | BlitzHere | stardiaries would it be a smart idea if I just overwrote the debian alsa.conf with the puppy alsa.conf? |
| 14:06.10 | fasta | themill: no |
| 14:06.18 | BlitzHere | I will make a backup, of course... |
| 14:07.02 | fasta | Or something which allows you to input the target time which would then give back the local time to meet that. |
| 14:07.32 | fasta | Anyway, something which is preferably integrated with other stuff and does lots of things in this application space. |
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| 14:07.51 | fasta | I.e., something which can be used, not merely one call to some program. |
| 14:08.11 | thewanderer1 | I'd suggest "the Web" |
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| 14:08.40 | zlude | Someone can help me? http://snipurl.com/24dq08n ( It's a URL to Git Hub Gist | TXT ) |
| 14:08.48 | aswen | stardiaries, thanks for your libglib2.0-dev answer, now I configure asks for gtk. now, you might want tot tell me what package that is (and I would be gratefull for that!), but I rather learn how to find it out myself. I hoped to find some usefull info on packages.debian.org but haven't found out the right way to search, any hints? |
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| 14:10.45 | stardiaries | aswen: you need the -dev package for that particular software |
| 14:11.10 | stardiaries | so you need to look for the developer (dev) package for gtk |
| 14:11.53 | stardiaries | often it's the libraries that's missing, so look for libgtk ... -dev |
| 14:12.21 | stardiaries | i usually use aptitude to find the packages |
| 14:12.29 | aswen | stardiaries, I've downloaded the sourcecode (http://pidgin.im/download/source/) |
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| 14:12.56 | aswen | stardiaries, thanks |
| 14:13.15 | stardiaries | ok normally there's a README file which comes with the packages where the dependencies are explained - if not than there should be a description on their homepage |
| 14:13.18 | aswen | understand your first message after reading the rest |
| 14:13.40 | stardiaries | but it's probably libgtk2.0-dev you're looking for |
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| 14:15.40 | BlitzHere | Nope, it doesn't work...now I'm pretty sure I'm missing some files. Which ones though? |
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| 14:17.11 | stardiaries | BlitzHere: i have alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-oss installed |
| 14:17.13 | stardiaries | sound works for me |
| 14:17.25 | aswen | stardiaries, thanks, running in some dependency hell now, have to search that out... |
| 14:17.38 | thewanderer1 | BlitzHere, check lsmod on the slack system, compare with modules loaded on Debian, focus on snd-* |
| 14:17.56 | thewanderer1 | BlitzHere, also, sound isn't muted, right? ... |
| 14:19.21 | stardiaries | yea true, press m key to mute/unmute in alsamixer |
| 14:19.37 | stardiaries | bith Master & PCM need to be unmuted |
| 14:19.40 | stardiaries | both |
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| 14:24.41 | BlitzHere | ARGH...my ears. I had turned the volume on my speakers to max. PCM was still muted :P I thought I unmuted everything No idea how I missed that...sorry for the runabout :P |
| 14:25.01 | BlitzHere | Thanks stardiaries, thewanderer1 |
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| 14:31.16 | farciarz84 | hi, to get xorg-vide-intel 2:2.20 and mesa >= 8.1 what should I do? |
| 14:31.41 | dspider | can someone please post their /etc/hosts file from a Debian system? |
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| 14:31.59 | dspider | I wanna check something against one from an Arch Linux system |
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| 14:32.04 | dspider | thank you |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | what ? |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | it's just IPs and hostnames ? |
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| 14:32.38 | stardiaries | ahhh, internet fail :P |
| 14:33.04 | abrotman | farciarz84: 2.20 doesn't exist in Ddebian |
| 14:33.56 | dspider | abrotman: can you run "cat /etc/hosts" and post it here? |
| 14:34.13 | farciarz84 | abrotman: even in sid? |
| 14:34.15 | dspider | there should be just two lines by default (I think) |
| 14:34.33 | abrotman | farciarz84: packages.debian.org/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:34.43 | farciarz84 | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 14:34.43 | farciarz84 | 127.0.1.1narrenturum |
| 14:34.55 | dspider | #<ip-address><hostname.domain.org><hostname> |
| 14:34.57 | dspider | 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomainlocalhost arch |
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| 14:35.09 | abrotman | sure .. and ? |
| 14:35.12 | dspider | ^ this is the Arch hosts file I was talking about |
| 14:35.13 | abrotman | what's wroong witht that ? |
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| 14:35.47 | dspider | it looks too complicated on Arch... I wonder why is that |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | it's perfectly fine |
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| 14:36.09 | abrotman | that's how it should be |
| 14:36.37 | dspider | compared to just "127.0.0.1 localhost" like it is in Debian? |
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| 14:36.59 | abrotman | they're fine |
| 14:37.11 | abrotman | dspider: have you read the man page for the hosts file ? |
| 14:38.01 | BlitzHere | How do I edit GRUB config? I'm looking for a boot.ini equivalent. It waits 5 seconds allowing me to choose 4 variants of debian (kernel 3.2 + safe and kernel 2.6 + safe) |
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| 14:38.39 | jordanm | BlitzHere: /etc/default/grub; update-grub |
| 14:38.46 | dspider | BlitzHere: which version? GRUB Legacy (v0.97) or GRUB2 (v2.00 rc1) ? |
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| 14:39.09 | abrotman | !tell BlitzHere about wiki |
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| 14:39.30 | BlitzHere | jordanm: thanks |
| 14:39.34 | farciarz84 | what's the current kernel in sid and mesa version? or how I can check it? |
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| 14:39.55 | abrotman | farciarz84: i just told you |
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| 14:41.05 | BlitzHere | abrotman: [20:09] <dpkg> unfortunately, wikipedia is disabled in my configuration |
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| 14:41.19 | abrotman | ugh |
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| 14:44.50 | BlitzHere | abrotman: thanks. I'll look around a bit more next time |
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| 14:46.27 | mparodi | Hello |
| 14:46.31 | trysten | hi |
| 14:46.34 | mparodi | do you know any way to increase the volume of alsa? |
| 14:46.45 | trysten | mparodi: alsamixer |
| 14:46.46 | mparodi | maybe an equalizer? |
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| 14:47.02 | trysten | mparodi: alsa mixer should be installed |
| 14:47.10 | mparodi | trysten, I changed all the channels there but it's still not that loud, that's what I meant |
| 14:47.28 | trysten | mparodi: alright. what is your audio coming from? |
| 14:47.56 | mparodi | I tried with different audioplayers and even videos |
| 14:48.15 | trysten | mparodi: embedded audio device, like laptop? |
| 14:48.20 | mparodi | yes |
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| 14:52.04 | ectospasm | does anyone know how to reset the offline uncorrectable sector count in smartmontools? I've cleared the current pending sector count, and the LBA of the first error no longer exists ("smartctl -A /dev/sda" reports 00%, where before I ran Bruce Allen's badblocks howto it was at 90% for just one bad sector) |
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| 14:52.26 | ectospasm | I've run "smartctl -t offline /dev/sda" and it doesn't clear the error |
| 14:52.33 | dspider | mparodi: run "alsamixer", press F5 and increase the volume for PCM |
| 14:52.48 | ectospasm | er, "smartctl -l selftest..." shows the logs, not "smartctl -A" |
| 14:52.50 | mparodi | it's at 100% |
| 14:52.57 | mparodi | dspider, ^ |
| 14:53.36 | dspider | turn up the speakers then |
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| 14:53.48 | dspider | or unplug them and plug them back in again |
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| 14:54.07 | mparodi | dspider, it's all at 100%! |
| 14:54.10 | mparodi | http://paste.kde.org/520628 |
| 14:54.14 | mparodi | I have this in .asoundrc |
| 14:54.21 | mparodi | the last part seems weird, sin't it? |
| 14:54.30 | mparodi | err, doesn't it? * |
| 14:55.00 | dspider | ALSA usually works out of the box. Why do you need that file? |
| 14:55.19 | mparodi | I didn't put it there |
| 14:56.00 | mparodi | I don't even know what it mean, but I see a table of pcm, probably related with volume limits |
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| 14:56.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I'm running ddrescue, it failed to do the output image file I specified maybe because I deleted it etc, I have a logfile of the bad hard drive, when I try to use the logfile to do the rescue again, it instantly completes what command do I need to do, to rescue the data all over again, utilizing the logfile? |
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| 14:58.46 | mparodi | isn't there an alsa equalizer? |
| 14:58.58 | Guest42290 | hello, i have the following situation: my business laptop has a ssd with win7 installed and a hdd which can be excluded. i want to install debian on the hdd and leave win7 untouched. win7 should also start if i take out the hdd. is there a possibility to realize this? |
| 14:59.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | does anyone know about my ddrescue question? |
| 14:59.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I'm running ddrescue, it failed to do the output image file I specified maybe because I deleted it etc, I have a logfile of the bad hard drive, when I try to use the logfile to do the rescue again, it instantly completes what command do I need to do, to rescue the data all over again, utilizing the logfile? |
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| 15:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: The main thing about a dual-boot setup is that it usually overwrites the MBR of the primary disk drive. |
| 15:02.25 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: You have to have some way to choose what's booting. If you write the bootloader to the MBR of the secondary drive, you might be able to use the BIOS to choose that as the boot drive. |
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| 15:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: I presume one goal is not to touch the official drive? |
| 15:03.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I'm running ddrescue, it failed to do the output image file I specified maybe because I deleted it etc, I have a logfile of the bad hard drive, when I try to use the logfile to do the rescue again, it instantly completes what command do I need to do, to rescue the data all over again, utilizing the logfile? |
| 15:03.03 | Guest42290 | yep thats right ... win7 has to be untouched |
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| 15:03.13 | h4z33 | Hello. I have backed up a GPT partition table with sgdisk --backup=/tmp/partition_table /dev/sda. How do I restore it? There's a --load option, but it's not clear from the man page what the option does (it says that it loads the table, but not if it does anything after that) |
| 15:03.52 | h4z33 | I've considered doing dd if=/tmp/partition_table of=/dev/sdXX, but I'm not sure that's a great idea |
| 15:04.14 | h4z33 | (running gdisk -l /tmp/partition_table does print my partition table nearly correctly) |
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| 15:04.25 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, what about selecting hdd first in boot priority ... install debian on hdd with / and bootflag. is the windows mbr still there when i change to the ssd again? |
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| 15:04.50 | Guest42290 | change the boot priority to the ssd again |
| 15:04.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I'm running ddrescue, it failed to do the output image file I specified maybe because I deleted it etc, I have a logfile of the bad hard drive, when I try to use the logfile to do the rescue again, it instantly completes what command do I need to do, to rescue the data all over again, utilizing the logfile? |
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| 15:05.55 | h4z33 | Is there any user-friendly tool for managing GPT, like sfdisk and fdisk for msdos partition tables? |
| 15:06.30 | Rockj | parted / gparted . |
| 15:06.31 | jelly | h4z33: parted not friendly enough? |
| 15:07.04 | h4z33 | jelly: Can parted backup partition tables? (I guess I could with libparted, at least...) |
| 15:08.10 | Rockj | h4z33: it can at least copy a partition table from disk A to B, if you want to clone it to another disk. |
| 15:09.01 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, i think that was you idea right? |
| 15:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: Yeah, use the BIOS to choose either drive. |
| 15:09.54 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: bootflag is MS only. |
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| 15:10.25 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, there is no "MS only" option? ... i just can set the bootflag either on one of the partitions? |
| 15:10.35 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: Most laptops and a lot of desktops have a "Boot Menu" option on startup that lets you override the default device. |
| 15:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: the bootflag only matters to ms systems. |
| 15:10.58 | Rockj | h4z33: and if I remember correctly, GPT partition tables are saved multiple places on the disk (I think beginning and end maybe) but another problem wwith gpt partition table is that size isn't static either I think. ( I might be really wrong here, so go read up on it :p) |
| 15:11.31 | Rockj | h4z33: also, there is GPT fdisk (gdisk , sgdisk) that might be able to do the backup of the partition table |
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| 15:12.11 | Rockj | h4z33: anyway, tell me what you figure out :-) |
| 15:12.16 | Rockj | time to get home |
| 15:12.22 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, so i have to choose in the bios hdd as first boot device ... then install debian on hdd with / and swap and bootflag on SSD device and thats it? |
| 15:13.48 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, where do i have to set the bootflag and what do i answer when the installer asks me to install grub to mbr? |
| 15:14.08 | Rockj | h4z33: internet says maybe sgdisk -b backupfile sourcedrive , but check man before you try it! *poff* |
| 15:15.03 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, if i understand you right .. i set the bootflag on hdd / and let grub install to mbr ... and after the installation i can choose in the bios via boot priority which OS will be started? |
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| 15:17.08 | jtreminio | Hi all. Setting up my Debian VM I accidently set a domain for it. Is there anyway to remove this? It keeps reappearing in my /etc/resolv.conf file |
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| 15:17.21 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: I'm not completely sure that I understand what you're doing, but you're going to boot from an installer medium somehow. You can then run the install and it will format the disk for you. (I recommend a single partition and swap, no LVM.) When it gets to the point of installing the bootloader, make sure it installs it on the same disk with the Debian install - it will probably default to the sdd because that is the default |
| 15:18.01 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: You will not need to worry about the boot flag at all. It has nothing to do with booting linux. |
| 15:18.31 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: The only thing you will need to do is to choose the hdd - the Linux drive - when you want to boot to Debian. |
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| 15:20.16 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: You can either change the default boot device, or just use the boot menu to select it. |
| 15:22.18 | DammitJim | how does one configure software RAID on Debian? |
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| 15:23.59 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, i start debian netinst_x64 from an USB-drive. my SSD runs win7 (should be untouched) and i partition the hdd to /, data, swap. the only question regarding the installer is when the installer asks me if i want to write grub to mbr. what do i have to do then? (because i cant choose any drive) |
| 15:25.41 | sney | Guest42290: if you select 'no' iirc it asks if you want to install grub to the root sector of a specific disk |
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| 15:26.02 | Guest42290 | ahh ok ... and then i have to choose my hdd drive? |
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| 15:26.25 | Guest42290 | afterwards via boot priority in bios i can change between win7 and debian? |
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| 15:26.33 | sney | right, or your bios boot menu |
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| 15:28.10 | johndoe | while i was installing a new system i got some error about unavailable firmware (something about adding contrib non-free), and now when i boot into it i get a weird graphics |
| 15:28.31 | johndoe | whats the fix? |
| 15:28.43 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: Yes, that's correct. |
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| 15:29.19 | sney | johndoe: add contrib and non-free to your sources.list, look at dmesg to see what firmware it wanted, and install the relevant package, like it tried to tell you |
| 15:29.40 | BlitzHere | I got that too. Sources.list was configured to add both contrib and non free in my case |
| 15:29.57 | jhutchins_wk | johndoe: Probably need to install the firmware for the video card. use lspci to find out what VGA chipset you have, add contrib and non-free to your sources and install the appropriate firmware package. |
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| 15:30.57 | sney | video firmware is *usually* in firmware-linux-nonfree, especially for radeon boards |
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| 15:31.53 | jhutchins_wk | johndoe: sney's suggestion of checking dmesg is good too. |
| 15:32.09 | Guest42290 | ok then i will try this way ... thanks ... i hope it will work :) |
| 15:32.19 | jhutchins_wk | sney: That covers pretty much everything available from Debian, doesn't it? |
| 15:32.23 | johndoe | BlitzHere: can you repost that pastebin you pasted earlier? since the old link is dead |
| 15:32.31 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: Good luck! |
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| 15:32.51 | richardk | hey folks |
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| 15:33.09 | BlitzHere | I installed my nvidia video card drivers manually. The firmware that was missing was some Yamaha thing, I don't have any thing Yamaha.... |
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| 15:33.53 | johndoe | sney: thanks, i think that one covers it all. and its like 1.5mb :) |
| 15:34.22 | richardk | richard@cassiopeia:~$ cat /proc/version |
| 15:34.22 | richardk | Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-45) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 |
| 15:34.25 | richardk | richard@cassiopeia:~$ empathy |
| 15:34.28 | richardk | Segmentation fault |
| 15:34.41 | BlitzHere | am on phone. So, no can do. What are you looking for? |
| 15:34.43 | richardk | don't suppose anybody else has segfaulting empathy? |
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| 15:35.16 | stardiaries | strace empathy |
| 15:35.47 | sney | jhutchins_wk: firmware-linux-nonfree isn't all of it, it lacks a lot of nic firmware |
| 15:35.52 | dkr | richardk: I do feel a small twinge upon seeing a segfault |
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| 15:36.35 | johndoe | sney: yup :/ W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
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| 15:37.39 | sney | johndoe: ok, well, that won't have anything to do with your video issue |
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| 15:37.54 | johndoe | i guess |
| 15:37.58 | sney | johndoe: and if your network connection is fine (or you don't use the wired nic), then you can ignore that one |
| 15:38.20 | sney | anything with W: is a warning. many warnings are irrelevant |
| 15:38.28 | richardk | http://pastebin.com/5B9q3x5t |
| 15:39.34 | richardk | seeing a lot of "access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" |
| 15:40.16 | stardiaries | no worries about that one |
| 15:40.21 | stardiaries | you'll se that always |
| 15:41.06 | stardiaries | the last call is a write to a property called "ATIFGLEXTENSION" |
| 15:41.16 | stardiaries | so maybe graphics drivers related |
| 15:41.19 | stardiaries | but i'm not sure |
| 15:41.39 | richardk | hmm, that's interesting |
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| 15:43.15 | stardiaries | you could force a coredump and analyze that with gdb, but that's beyond my capabilities right now... |
| 15:43.33 | stardiaries | have you looked at bugreports? |
| 15:43.47 | stardiaries | or if there's a newer version in unstable/experimental? |
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| 15:44.22 | richardk | stardiaries, not yet |
| 15:44.30 | richardk | i'm having some issues with this graphics card anyway |
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| 15:44.35 | richardk | so now i might take a closer look at those |
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| 15:45.47 | stardiaries | yes, try the open source ATI drivers and also the closed source on'e by ATI, check if it makes a difference :P |
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| 15:47.10 | dioz | does anyone know if the audio coming from the hdmi port on a ati 5450 works in linux? |
| 15:47.36 | dioz | i'm trying to remove some cables from my ht-pc |
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| 15:47.54 | dioz | 1 x hdmi would be better than vga, optical |
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| 15:48.45 | jhutchins_wk | dioz: tias? |
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| 15:49.28 | dioz | huh? |
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| 15:50.06 | sney | !tias |
| 15:50.06 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 15:50.11 | boudiccas | dioz: Try It And See |
| 15:50.45 | sney | if the hdmi audio device is detected it'll show in /proc/asound/cards but I've never tried actually using it |
| 15:52.28 | dioz | thnx sney |
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| 15:54.03 | johndoe | gnome2 on wheezy, possible? |
| 15:55.24 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, the hdd is /dev/sdc ... when i choose "no" the installer asks me where to install grub ... when i type in "/dev/sdc" it doesnt work |
| 15:55.41 | sney | johndoe: unfortunately not. Cinnamon will probably make it into sid in a few months or more, and then there will probably be a backport of that available for wheezy; otherwise, your options for a gtk desktop environment that isn't gnome3 are xfce and lxde. |
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| 16:00.59 | richardk | stardiaries, removed the fglrx driver and empathy starts |
| 16:01.17 | johndoe | sney: thanks |
| 16:01.23 | richardk | stardiaries, cheers for finding that |
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| 16:02.02 | sney | richardk: that's a pretty weird behaviour for empathy, see if anyone filed a bug and if they didn't you should file one |
| 16:02.05 | Guest42290 | jhutchins_wk, with "dev/sdc1" its the same where / is located |
| 16:02.19 | adpaolucci | can someone help me whip up a quick init.d script that runs one command at boot? |
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| 16:03.09 | boudiccas | adpaolucci: in bash? talk to #bash |
| 16:03.09 | adpaolucci | I just need to run one command once startx has run "chrome –disable-ipv6 -kiosk 'http://example.com/'" |
| 16:03.13 | adpaolucci | oh ok |
| 16:03.14 | adpaolucci | ty |
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| 16:06.50 | richardk | sney, i'll look |
| 16:08.18 | pjotr_pan | hey.i know this question is asked often... but ... i cannot find my cdrom-drive. neither in /dev/ nor in /proc/sys/cdrom. does anybody have a trick where i can find it. under another os i can see it - its connected |
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| 16:08.50 | boudiccas | pjotr_pan: /media/cdrom ? |
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| 16:10.18 | pjotr_pan | no. its not mounted. i cannot find the device. there is an entry in /etc/fstab for /media/cdrom. but no device. no /dev/cdrom, /dev/dvd, /dev/sr0, ... |
| 16:11.46 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: Sorry, real life. |
| 16:12.07 | richardk | pjotr_pan, there's only so many possibilities, hda, hdb, sda, sdb and so on |
| 16:12.26 | richardk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.10 | pjotr_pan | richardk: i know. there is no /hd.*/. /sd.*/ is occupied by harddisks. |
| 16:14.10 | pjotr_pan | the cdrom-drive is connected by sata. |
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| 16:14.55 | richardk | so if it's been recognised it would be sd.. otoh, you'd also expect to see a link /dev/cdrom or something |
| 16:14.59 | beardy | pjotr_pan: What kind of device is it? Anyway, 'grep CD /var/log/dmesg' |
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| 16:15.27 | sweeper | http://pastebin.com/0EGzZuyr <-- any ideas? :/ trying to resize an ntfs partition |
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| 16:15.50 | beardy | pjotr_pan: Most likely /dev/sd |
| 16:15.58 | richardk | guesses whatever cd drive it is, it hasn't been recognised |
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| 16:16.35 | beardy | pjotr_pan: Most likely /dev/sr0 |
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| 16:16.57 | pjotr_pan | beardy: mmh. there is no srß |
| 16:17.00 | pjotr_pan | sr0 |
| 16:17.18 | richardk | pjotr_pan, what was the output of grep? |
| 16:17.20 | beardy | pjotr_pan: Pastebin the grep output. |
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| 16:18.15 | litb | hello all folks |
| 16:18.17 | pjotr_pan | richardk: nothing in /var/log/dmesg* |
| 16:18.26 | litb | is there a special debian repository for /lib32 ? |
| 16:18.37 | richardk | pjotr_pan, try $ dmesg | grep cd |
| 16:18.46 | richardk | it'll have non-relevant stuff too though :/ |
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| 16:20.18 | pjotr_pan | richardk: 'dmesg|grep -i cd' much about usb ... so ohci_hcd, ehci_hcd. but nothing about cdrom |
| 16:20.20 | richardk | uhm, maybe grep -i |
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| 16:20.37 | jhutchins_wk | Guest42290: Did you get it figured out? Grub needs to be on the MBR of the device, not on a partition. |
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| 16:21.09 | richardk | pjotr_pan, okay, so that's why you can't find it i guess. |
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| 16:21.36 | pjotr_pan | can i get any infos with lspci? |
| 16:21.48 | pjotr_pan | mmh. no. |
| 16:21.52 | richardk | don't think so |
| 16:22.00 | beardy | Nope. |
| 16:22.19 | beardy | pjotr_pan: Which version of Debian are your running? |
| 16:22.26 | pjotr_pan | testing. |
| 16:22.39 | beardy | pjotr_pan: What was able to see your drive? |
| 16:22.50 | pjotr_pan | a windows os. |
| 16:22.57 | richardk | pjotr_pan, might be worth having a google of the make and model of the drive and see whether others have had problems with it |
| 16:23.13 | beardy | pjotr_pan: Is it really plugged in properly, and working? |
| 16:23.47 | pjotr_pan | beardy: thanks ;). i still checked |
| 16:24.26 | pjotr_pan | i'll restart to win. and try the drive there |
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| 16:25.10 | beardy | Get the model and brand out of it there, to search with. |
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| 16:25.59 | pjotr_pan | okay. thanks for help! |
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| 16:27.12 | Kobzar | hi all |
| 16:27.36 | Kobzar | debian the best linux in world |
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| 16:34.04 | Kobzar | some one live? |
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| 16:35.33 | jhutchins_wk | beardy: dvd? |
| 16:36.13 | beardy | jhutchins_wk: What? |
| 16:37.14 | beardy | jhutchins_wk: Oh, that he should have grepped after that instead? Yes true.. |
| 16:38.16 | stardiaries | richardk: glad it worked 4 u :) |
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| 16:39.10 | richardk | stardiaries, :) |
| 16:39.38 | redo | hi, in denver wow day! |
| 16:39.46 | richardk | jhutchins_wk, heh, oops >.> |
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| 16:40.16 | dupa123 | hi |
| 16:40.46 | dupa123 | how can i setup ip/gateway for tun0 from client side? because i fucked vpn on server side and i don't have access, because i got some random ips :/ |
| 16:41.01 | dupa123 | please help |
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| 16:45.36 | jhutchins_wk | dupa123: Are you asking how to set up anetwor interface in Debian? |
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| 16:46.14 | jhutchins_wk | dupa123: Is this a temporary or permanent connection? Are you using a GUI network manager interface or working from the CLI? |
| 16:46.22 | dupa123 | temporary |
| 16:46.28 | dupa123 | i can get access from gui to tun0 ;< |
| 16:46.33 | dupa123 | and i need set gateway |
| 16:46.43 | dupa123 | and none command work :/ |
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| 16:47.40 | dupa123 | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 16:48.16 | jhutchins_wk | dupa123: in response to what? |
| 16:48.31 | dupa123 | try to set gateway |
| 16:48.34 | dupa123 | how can i set gateway |
| 16:49.52 | dupa123 | ? |
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| 16:50.08 | bazhang | for debian? |
| 16:50.24 | dupa123 | yes |
| 16:50.36 | bazhang | thought you were using MINT |
| 16:50.49 | dupa123 | no i am using few distro |
| 16:51.06 | bazhang | same MINT question in #ubuntu |
| 16:51.09 | Mimiko | Hello. I've read that #debian is moving to oftc server. What will happen with channel on this server? |
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| 16:51.50 | dupa123 | noone know? |
| 16:52.04 | bazhang | irc.spotchat.org for MINT |
| 16:52.15 | dupa123 | bazhang: http://paste.debian.net/179973/ |
| 16:52.36 | jhutchins_wk | Mimiko: They've coexisted for years. |
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| 16:52.52 | jhutchins_wk | This one has a bit more traffic, that one is maybe a touch more focused. |
| 16:53.11 | dupa123 | :( |
| 16:53.13 | dupa123 | omg |
| 16:53.25 | dupa123 | i love linux community so much |
| 16:53.48 | Mimiko | jhutchins_wk, oh, I've so message about banned ip, so thought that on freenode #debian does not work |
| 16:53.48 | dupa123 | as i will wanna pay for m$ for install everywhere windows sever |
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| 16:55.52 | jhutchins_wk | Mimiko: that's where you are now |
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| 16:56.37 | arthurdent | finally got that rc.d shutdown script working |
| 16:56.37 | Mimiko | jhutchins_wk, yes, now I am joined |
| 16:56.46 | arthurdent | turns out i need to be using insserv but i was using update-rc.d |
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| 17:06.36 | fasta | What do I need before #include <QtMultimedia> works? |
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| 17:07.46 | arthurdent | #!/bin/sh |
| 17:07.48 | arthurdent | oops |
| 17:08.01 | arthurdent | fasta: libsmokeqtmultimedia4-3 |
| 17:08.03 | arthurdent | i think |
| 17:09.22 | fasta | Modules without integration sucks. |
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| 17:09.46 | fasta | Ideally ./configure would just apt-get install the right thing immediately. |
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| 17:10.22 | arthurdent | lol |
| 17:10.41 | arthurdent | so you want a debian specific, version specific configure file |
| 17:11.25 | arthurdent | some distros have that, but ./configure is meant to be cross-platform, that's kind of the point |
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| 17:13.59 | dupa123 | how can i setup gateway for tun0? |
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| 17:14.07 | nsadmin | ./configure has never met apt |
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| 17:14.40 | dupa123 | nsadmin: how change gateway for tun0 |
| 17:14.48 | dupa123 | 192.168.100.1 192.168.100.17 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 17:14.48 | dupa123 | 192.168.100.17 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 17:14.49 | dupa123 | on route -n |
| 17:14.54 | dupa123 | from 100.17 on 50.1 |
| 17:14.56 | dupa123 | please help |
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| 17:15.09 | Seo007 | Is your website on page 1 of Google? http://bit.ly/LYh99L |
| 17:15.19 | boudiccas | dupa123: please stop spamming the channel, use a pastebin |
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| 17:18.05 | nsadmin | dupa123, delete default route, add new default route with new gw |
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| 17:21.20 | dupa123 | nsadmin: how |
| 17:21.30 | dizzylizzy | i am currenting using a partition on a hard drive to run debian. I have 100 GB of free space on this hard drive. is it safe to format it without using a live cd? |
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| 17:24.48 | nsadmin | the old tools which still should exist is under route... you specify the old gw in route del and the new one to route add |
| 17:25.02 | nsadmin | you're going to have to check the route man page |
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| 17:25.09 | dupa123 | i cant get anyworking |
| 17:25.12 | dupa123 | nothing work |
| 17:25.18 | dupa123 | some stupid errors |
| 17:25.18 | dupa123 | i got |
| 17:26.06 | nsadmin | the specific route you're supposed to delete is the default route |
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| 17:26.13 | dupa123 | 19:25 <+adam> and i need change inteface settings |
| 17:26.13 | dupa123 | 19:25 <+adam> SIOCADDRT: no such proccess |
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| 17:26.16 | dupa123 | 19:25 <+adam> RTNETLINK answers: no such process |
| 17:26.16 | dupa123 | 19:25 <+adam> etc |
| 17:26.34 | dupa123 | i need just set tun0 |
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| 17:26.41 | nsadmin | when you do exactly what? |
| 17:26.43 | Kobzar | hi all |
| 17:27.05 | DammitJim | when one cross compiles something (i.e. openssl), does that generate libraries (i.e.libssl.so.0.9.8)? |
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| 17:28.07 | Kobzar | who can give me a link to howto seting intel GMA HD on laptop? (wheezy) |
| 17:28.11 | BlitzHere | Is there a free online resource/book that will walk a newbie to linux through both the basics and more. I kinda get the basics now, but reading a formal source is probably a good idea... |
| 17:28.12 | nsadmin | dupa123, show the exact command line, and the exact error that command line gave |
| 17:28.20 | bzed | DammitJim: if you cross compile something you get whatever you compile for the arcitecture you cross-compile for |
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| 17:28.37 | bzed | BlitzHere: basics of? |
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| 17:29.02 | nsadmin | BlitzHere, there are lots of thse |
| 17:29.27 | DammitJim | so, if I am just cross compiling libraries, that's what it should create, right? the equivalent libraries for the other architecture, right? |
| 17:29.50 | bzed | DammitJim: (asuming the stuff you need to compile the thing you compile are there, so you might need to cross-compile some dependencies before... and so on) |
| 17:29.51 | dupa123 | 19:28 <+adam> shitstorm adam # ifconfig tun0 192.168.100.74 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.50.1 up |
| 17:29.54 | dupa123 | 19:28 <+adam> gateway: Nieznany host |
| 17:29.56 | dupa123 | 19:29 <+adam> shitstorm adam # route add -net 192.168.50.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.50.1 dev tun0 |
| 17:29.59 | dupa123 | 19:29 <+adam> SIOCADDRT: Nie ma takiego procesu |
| 17:30.02 | dupa123 | 19:29 <+adam> shitstorm adam # ip route add 192.168.50.0/24 via 192.168.50.1 dev tun0 |
| 17:30.03 | bzed | DammitJim: STOP IT |
| 17:30.05 | dupa123 | 19:29 <+adam> RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 17:30.07 | bzed | ahh |
| 17:30.10 | dupa123 | i need just manualy setup info for tun0 |
| 17:30.11 | bzed | dupa123: STOP IT |
| 17:30.18 | dupa123 | settings* |
| 17:30.19 | bzed | dupa123: USE A PASTEBIN |
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| 17:30.52 | dupa123 | nsadmin: can you help? |
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| 17:31.10 | bzed | !tell dupa123 about pastebin |
| 17:31.14 | Karou | http://bit.ly/OMO7UD |
| 17:31.22 | Karou | 'Mass chaos' as12 shot dead at 'Dark Knight Rises' screening in Aurora, Colorado |
| 17:31.31 | DammitJim | bzed, that wasn't me |
| 17:31.32 | DammitJim | kick dupa123 |
| 17:31.36 | bzed | DammitJim: yeah sorry :) |
| 17:31.37 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 17:31.49 | DammitJim | give it more characters before hitting tab or hit tab one more time, Dammit! |
| 17:32.05 | bzed | DammitJim: rename yourself! :S |
| 17:32.11 | DammitJim | LMAO |
| 17:32.17 | DammitJim | bammitJim |
| 17:32.26 | Kobzar | i am install qemu, but after run i have error Could not open option rom 'kvmvapic.bin': No such file or directory |
| 17:32.34 | DammitJim | no, I'd need to do something like DzmmitJim so that I'm the last one |
| 17:32.37 | DammitJim | if someone gets the "D" in |
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| 17:33.03 | bzed | DammitJim: you would need dz instead of Dz then ;) |
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| 17:33.40 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 17:34.26 | DammitJim | so, are we saying that I would need to have a libssl.so file in the source for it to generate a libssl.so for the new architecture? |
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| 17:34.35 | BlitzHere | nsadmin, bzed: Well, I'm coming from windows/dos. I'm kinda getting how the repository system and the terminal works. I love how I can set up an entire de and apps with a single command but I'm still quite unclear on the permissions, executables, scripts etc etc. Ergo, stuff that is common to linux in general but is alien to a long time Windows/dos user... |
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| 17:35.17 | nsadmin | BlitzHere, start with very simple unix commands, and also learn an easy-to-use text editor |
| 17:35.58 | BlitzHere | Here is a good example for someone who wants to learn about cars... |
| 17:36.18 | BlitzHere | For example |
| 17:36.37 | nsadmin | you will probably also be interested in the command line interpreter itself (the shell) which has many many features that are different than the msdos one, |
| 17:37.06 | nsadmin | BlitzHere, cars? you can just type "cars" or "learn about cars" into a search box |
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| 17:37.42 | nsadmin | but I thought you wanted to learn about linux |
| 17:38.20 | BlitzHere | Whoops, hold on. I'm on a phone and am screwing up my typing |
| 17:38.51 | bzed | BlitzHere: http://debian-handbook.info |
| 17:38.58 | nsadmin | it took me awhile to get to "up my typing" |
| 17:39.00 | BlitzHere | nsadmin, ok, will do. I'm scouting out Unix equivalents of DOS at the moment, but I'm looking for a resource along the lines of http://www.carbibles.com/ |
| 17:41.10 | BlitzHere | Basically, what I'm trying to say is, carbibles is good for newbies to cars. Is there an equivalent for newbies to linux? |
| 17:41.34 | BlitzHere | bzed: thanks, I will check that out |
| 17:42.53 | arthurdent | man |
| 17:43.07 | nsadmin | well it's really about learning small pieces and practicing those |
| 17:43.11 | arthurdent | :P (Yes I'm being that guy. man is not really newbie friendly) |
| 17:43.20 | boudiccas | BlitzHere: 'Linux for Dummies' |
| 17:44.09 | arthurdent | find a task to solve, google how to solve it, and make sure you understand how the solution works |
| 17:44.24 | nsadmin | arthurdent, for gnu tools, the info pages are much higher quality, are maintained more consistantly, have builtin navigation and are much more readable |
| 17:44.37 | DammitJim | how do you compile from a .a library to a .so ? |
| 17:44.47 | DammitJim | what channel should go to to ask this question? |
| 17:45.06 | nsadmin | arthurdent, if you can spare the time, you could rewrite the man pages you find problematic |
| 17:46.09 | arthurdent | They're not really problematic, I just found them all daunting back when I switched from windows. It was a different mindset using commands with flags instead of clicking buttons in guis and i struggled with basic formatting and redirection |
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| 17:46.27 | peterrooney_ | BlitzHere: the foundations for learning are, (i) learn what a pager is - become comfortable with commands "more", "less" at least - my preference for the "most" pager is hardly universal. (ii) learn the man page system, which assumes a knowledge of pagers. knowing how to use a pager will make item (ii) less frustrating.. "man man" |
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| 17:47.54 | BlitzHere | arthurdent: That's what I've been doing so far. I only installed my first linux distro 3 days ago (xubuntu, followed by lubuntu). Then I did a minimum install of debian and then got a DE and drivers and programs I wanted up and running through command line. Only thing I haven't yet managed to do is to hook up my canon mp287... |
| 17:48.11 | nsadmin | DammitJim, usually when libs (say, ones used by debian) are built, the source is read many times, once to build .a lib and once to build .so lib, and more, including debug/not debug, profile/not profile, etc |
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| 17:48.50 | arthurdent | BlitzHere: try typing localhost:631 |
| 17:48.54 | arthurdent | into your browser |
| 17:49.07 | BlitzHere | Already did. Cups doesn't find my canon |
| 17:49.19 | BlitzHere | It did find my hp |
| 17:49.54 | BlitzHere | Canon drivers aren't in the debian repository. I got them separately from the canon website and installed them |
| 17:50.19 | arthurdent | did it work? |
| 17:50.51 | BlitzHere | The drivers installed, but the os doesn't "see" the device |
| 17:51.18 | Calinou | "I got them separately from the canon website and installed them" > O_o since when printer companies provide linux drivers? |
| 17:51.30 | DammitJim | I guess I'm trying to understand if I need to edit my makefile to be able to generate .so libraries instead of .a? |
| 17:51.34 | arthurdent | Calinou: probably since cups i would imagine |
| 17:51.38 | DammitJim | nsadmin, does that make any sense? |
| 17:52.10 | thewanderer1 | oh, there are 3rd-party drivers... they usually suck, too (deb in a deb in a tar in a self-extracting compressed script in a tar) |
| 17:52.16 | nsadmin | DammitJim, or add to the makefile. is this a lib you;re the author of? |
| 17:53.07 | dupa123 | 19:50 <dupa123> 192.168.100.1 192.168.100.17 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 17:53.10 | dupa123 | 19:50 <dupa123> 192.168.100.17 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 17:53.13 | dupa123 | how setup this |
| 17:53.13 | dupa123 | in commands? |
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| 17:53.42 | arthurdent | dupa123: Stop flooding the channel. use pastebin. |
| 17:53.56 | arthurdent | you've already been told multiple times |
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| 17:54.33 | BlitzHere | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:02.10 | DammitJim | no, nsadmin |
| 18:02.46 | DammitJim | I am trying to port openssl and my own program that uses openssl |
| 18:03.10 | DammitJim | trying to run in mips architecture |
| 18:03.10 | dupa123 | arthurdent: it was DoS with 2 lines |
| 18:03.19 | nsadmin | the openssl libs probably already do this |
| 18:03.27 | DammitJim | and when I run it, it says error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:03.39 | nsadmin | that is, build multiple libs (.a, .so, etc) |
| 18:03.57 | DammitJim | yeah, that's where I'm stuck... how do I build multiple libs |
| 18:04.01 | nsadmin | where is the lib installed? |
| 18:04.16 | DammitJim | the lib source is in my debian box |
| 18:04.32 | nsadmin | I don't actually know the answer to that, but it could be in debian/rules or in the toplevel makefile |
| 18:04.43 | DammitJim | I cross compiled it for mips |
| 18:05.03 | DammitJim | then I cross compiled my program (written in c) to use the openssl libraries... all to mips |
| 18:05.20 | DammitJim | but when I run it on the mips device, it gives me the error about libssl.so.0.9.8 |
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| 18:05.45 | DammitJim | that openssl channel is dead |
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| 18:08.03 | dabreaka` | hey.. is there to get a more up to date ffmpeg on debian squeeze than what's described here - http://muzso.hu/2011/12/16/how-to-install-an-up-to-date-ffmpeg-in-debian-squeeze-from-debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:08.05 | nsadmin | DammitJim, did you set the lib up to install into /usr? |
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| 18:08.15 | dabreaka` | *is there an easier way, i mean |
| 18:08.56 | DammitJim | yes |
| 18:08.56 | dabreaka` | the above seems to require you to use debuild and stuff now, as you can see in the first comment below the post |
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| 18:09.18 | DammitJim | nsadmin, I don't need to install openssl on debian if I am just compiling, right? |
| 18:10.15 | BlitzHere | Strange, the printer turned up and I just did a test print...oh, well. I can now say that I set up a fully functional debian system from a minimal install. Thanks to pparadis, nsadmin, stardiaries, thewanderer1, arthurdent and anyone else that I missed |
| 18:10.22 | nsadmin | actually I think you would, since your program needs those libs in order to build |
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| 18:10.59 | nsadmin | BlitzHere, welcome... glad it worked out |
| 18:11.16 | DammitJim | hhmmmm... I see what you are saying, but I don't know that I would have to install it on debian since I cross compiled for mips |
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| 18:11.50 | nsadmin | is it that debian has dropped mips? |
| 18:12.07 | DammitJim | what? my machine is an x86_64 |
| 18:12.17 | DammitJim | but I need the code to run on a mips embedded device :D |
| 18:12.33 | nsadmin | is that device running debian? |
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| 18:14.31 | dizzylizzy | is it safe for me to create new partitions in free space on the hard drive that contains my currently mounted debian partitions |
| 18:14.38 | DammitJim | no, it's running some kind of linux |
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| 18:18.21 | kesroesweyth | dizzylizzy are you using fdisk? |
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| 18:20.12 | dizzylizzy | kesroesweyth, i could be |
| 18:20.18 | dizzylizzy | or i could be using gparted |
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| 18:25.55 | jimcooncat | dizzylizzy: yes |
| 18:26.07 | kesroesweyth | dizzylizzy i can't speak for gparted, but i've done this with fdisk a few times and never had an issue |
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| 18:32.13 | enr1x | hello everyone! i was setting up my personal mail server and, more specifically, dkim. when starting dkim-filter as root (service dkim-filter start) i get a segmentation fault |
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| 18:32.46 | enr1x | i installed dkim-filter with aptitude, and it's version 2.8.2.dfsg-1. I'm running Debian 6 |
| 18:33.06 | enr1x | any idea on how to debug that segfault? |
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| 18:40.43 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: Why did you choose dkim? |
| 18:41.08 | ompaul | ,kernel |
| 18:41.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.4-trunk-686-pae (3.4.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 18:41.43 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: well, i wanted some control over my mail and learn a little bit on the way, so i moved from google apps (i remember setting up dkim) so i thought it would be a good idea. do you have a better recommendation? |
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| 18:42.25 | stardiaries | enr1x: i'm using postfix/courier |
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| 18:43.27 | enr1x | stardiaries: postfix/dovecot here, saw installing dovecot was a breeze (i just have 1 user: me ;) ) |
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| 18:43.42 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: It's probably easier to start with the Debian default, exim, or something well known like postfix (or sendmail). |
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| 18:44.10 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: I've never even heard of dkim, so I can't help you with it, and if you choose a more common program more people might know how to help. |
| 18:44.33 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: Did you install the dkim packages from a Debian repository? |
| 18:44.34 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: i didn't know exim was debian's default. dkim apparenly implements some layer of security to email |
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| 18:45.11 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: i just aptitude purge'd and reinstalled, reconfigured and works now \o/ |
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| 18:45.25 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: Ok, you are now our dkim expert. |
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| 18:46.16 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: far from it! |
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| 18:47.03 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: Hey, you're what we've got, just stay one page ahead of us. |
| 18:47.24 | squeezy | Is there any way to take care of a broken system except a fresh install? |
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| 18:48.12 | squeezy | I recently upgraded from stable to testing. |
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| 18:48.29 | squeezy | and many packages are broken |
| 18:48.35 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: what are exim4's advantages over postfix? you're our mail expert ;) |
| 18:48.54 | squeezy | for example the kde-standard or kde-full have a lot of unmet dependencies |
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| 18:49.05 | claw | .. |
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| 18:50.25 | squeezy | never mind, just needed an apt-get update :S |
| 18:50.57 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: For one it's the default, which means more users, which means a better chance of finding someone here who knows how to fix a problem. |
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| 18:51.18 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: that's a good one |
| 18:51.19 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: I use postfix because the postgrey package was a drop-in with no real configuration. |
| 18:52.05 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: Unfortunately, my spamassassin setup, which is sort of copied over from my old sendmail setup, eats mail if there are two recipients on my server for one message. |
| 18:52.39 | jhutchins_wk | I don't know if there's a smoother way to use spamassassin on it - the only alternatives I've found are MUCH more complex. |
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| 18:53.30 | gr33n7007h | What's the latest stable version of Debian? |
| 18:53.42 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: have a look at that dkim+spf stuff, looks like it's a good way of sorting out spam http://www.debiantutorials.com/implementing-spf-checks-in-postfix/ |
| 18:53.56 | enr1x | well, not sorting out, but preventing mail forgery |
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| 18:54.14 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: Not a problem for me. |
| 18:54.21 | arvind_khadri | !tell gr33n7007h about stable |
| 18:55.40 | gr33n7007h | arvind_khadri, Thanks |
| 18:56.44 | arvind_khadri | yw |
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| 18:57.39 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: and i guess seeing some denied relay accesses with weird from= to= and ehlo= values is good right? |
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| 18:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | enr1x: In your logs? |
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| 19:00.13 | enr1x | jhutchins_wk: yep, in mail.log |
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| 19:03.26 | parcs` | anyone know which package provides the gcc man pages? |
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| 19:04.07 | kevlarman | , file gcc.1.gz |
| 19:04.11 | judd | Search for gcc.1.gz in squeeze/i386: gnat: usr/share/man/man1/gnatgcc.1.gz; libwine-dev: usr/share/man/man1/winegcc.1.gz; gcc-doc: usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz; llvm: usr/share/man/man1/llvmgcc.1.gz; sparse: usr/share/man/man1/cgcc.1.gz; gcc: usr/share/man/man1/c89-gcc.1.gz, usr/share/man/man1/c99-gcc.1.gz; colorgcc: usr/share/man/man1/colorgcc.1.gz; gcc-h8300-hms: |
| 19:04.12 | judd | usr/share/man/man1/h8300-hitachi-coff-gcc.1.gz; manpages-ja: usr/share/man/ja/man1/gcc.1.gz; manpages-zh: usr/share/man/zh_CN/man1/gcc.1.gz, usr/share/man/zh_TW/man1/gcc.1.gz |
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| 19:04.23 | kevlarman | parcs`: ^ |
| 19:04.34 | kevlarman | gcc does |
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| 19:06.05 | cardamon | Sup. I need to dig through a deb package but don't want to install it. How can I unpackage the package? dpkg --unpack sounds a little like what I want, but I wanted to be sure before I did. |
| 19:06.12 | parcs` | gcc doesn't, but gcc-doc does (it's old though :(). thanks! |
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| 19:08.23 | kevlarman | cardamon: it's an ar archive containing 2 tarballs if you feel like doing it the hard way |
| 19:08.32 | kevlarman | but yes dpkg --unpack probably does what you want |
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| 19:10.48 | blubberdiblub | cardamon, you can also read the dpkg-deb manpage. dpkg-deb is the tool that manipulates debs directly. some dpkg commands/options are just a wrapper for that tool |
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| 19:15.00 | systemclient | as an upstream dev, should I call my release notes CHANGELOG or NEWS? |
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| 19:16.02 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: Changelog should address specific functional changes. News should reflect general status updates. |
| 19:16.40 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: so news would be what the end-user would read, changelog what another dev would read? Since I use git, there is no need for a changelog then, right? |
| 19:17.46 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: If a user were looking for a bug fix or something they'd check the changelog first, so yes, generate a changelog from git commites and remove the insignificant/redundant ones and explain the ones that aren't clear. |
| 19:17.59 | jhutchins_wk | commits |
| 19:18.22 | jhutchins_wk | I don't think NEWS is standardized. |
| 19:18.50 | jhutchins_wk | README should be explanations of what's required beyond .configure/make/make install, but often just lists those three steps. |
| 19:19.10 | Spydemon | Hi! :-) Am I the only one who can't update dotdeb repository? (http://galeres.spyzone.fr/index.php?type=viewPb&pb=6) |
| 19:19.20 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: the upstream README is just a "how you get this running" explanation, isn't it? |
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| 19:20.16 | systemclient | should my upstream changelog be in the same syntax than the debian/changelog? |
| 19:20.17 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: Usually, like "you need to build the mysqldatabase" or "copy one of the example config files to /etc and make the modifications indicated in the comments". |
| 19:20.41 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: so far, it is just make && make install and be done with it. I try to keep that simple |
| 19:20.42 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: That's probably a good example. |
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| 19:21.04 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: You would probably get better answers in #debian-mentors (which is probably on oftc.net) |
| 19:21.38 | cardamon | What's LD_PRELOAD? Just an enviromental variable? |
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| 19:22.07 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: I like to see contact/source/support info, but there are other places for that. |
| 19:22.48 | cardamon | Can I add things to it by doing export LD_PRELOAD=/some/thing/to/add:$LD_PRELOAD ? |
| 19:24.16 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: I have my name and email in every source file. But right, that should be in the readme as well. Thanks for the hint! |
| 19:25.56 | cardamon | I've got a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so that something is trying to preload from LD_PRELOAD, and I want it to try /usr/local/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so instead, and I didn't want to muck about with symlinks in my /usr |
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| 19:27.11 | kevlarman | cardamon: why are you trying to padsp something 32 bit? |
| 19:27.51 | cardamon | kevlarman: Because the something I'm trying it on is 32 bit. |
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| 19:28.14 | lcc | how can I upgrade to testing from squeeze? |
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| 19:28.23 | lcc | fully upgrade |
| 19:28.27 | cardamon | and it "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored."'s when I try to padsp it. |
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| 19:28.54 | cardamon | lcc: Give me a second to explain, but the short answer is easily and the long answer is why would you want to? |
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| 19:29.09 | cardamon | The best answers are always more questions. |
| 19:29.29 | nsadmin | got a guy running debian 6 on arm or armel, he's claiming he lost either sound or mixer functionality |
| 19:29.34 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: That's good that you're that thorough, but having something in the readme is for the end-user. You should be using something that won't go dark if someone else takes over the project too, so if someone finds an old package and needs to follow up they can. |
| 19:29.36 | lcc | cardamon: the installer image won't boot on my computer. only testing supports my wifi device. |
| 19:30.18 | lcc | I don't want to wait a week for the next image. |
| 19:30.25 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: Also, a lot of systems use binary installs (Debian), and while source is theoretically available, there are also situations where an ap is compiled on a dev server and the source files are never copied to the production server. |
| 19:30.34 | cardamon | lcc: You wouldn't be waiting a week. |
| 19:30.48 | cardamon | You'd be waiting till Feb. Most likely. |
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| 19:31.11 | jhutchins_wk | So two admins later, I come in and we need to the version of your app that's compatible with the 3.x.x kernel. How do I find you? (Shut up Google.) |
| 19:31.17 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: I put my name, email and project website into the readme |
| 19:31.24 | lcc | cardamon: is it in a freeze right now? I thought I was using a weekly build. |
| 19:31.31 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: I would say that's generous of you! |
| 19:32.02 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: well, I suffered from many bad documented projects, so that is my part of making the ecosystem a little better :-) |
| 19:32.18 | cardamon | lcc: Testing? Not yet, AFAIK, but I don't know much and we're in a room full of people who know better. But I heard it was coming soon. However, stable is still frozen. |
| 19:32.28 | jhutchins_wk | systemclient: I'm not sure where you'd put it, but for something as personally involved as this seems to be, you might want to put a "Why this was worth my time" statement as well. |
| 19:32.42 | cardamon | Also, either say stable/testing/unstable or Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid and know that they're not the same thing and why. |
| 19:32.49 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, wheezy is frozen. |
| 19:33.06 | cardamon | Ah, good, on schedule then. |
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| 19:33.42 | jhutchins_wk | cardamon: Since there ISN'T a schedule, not really on it. |
| 19:33.55 | systemclient | jhutchins_wk: this particular project are some scripts that handle the ThinkPad dockingstation and screen rotation. I just need them for myself, but I want to share them on an acceptable level |
| 19:33.56 | cardamon | jhutchins_wk: Nor are we off it! |
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| 19:34.23 | jhutchins_wk | Can't be late if there's no deadline. |
| 19:34.26 | cardamon | lcc: As for your wifi, you can set up apt pinning to get just the stuff you need and run the rest of the thing instable. |
| 19:34.46 | jhutchins_wk | Better yet, do a backport. |
| 19:34.58 | cardamon | jhutchins_wk: Better yet...I meant to say backport. |
| 19:35.13 | lcc | cardamon: I think it may require running a newer kernel, and installing firmware that doesn't have a package yet. |
| 19:35.36 | cardamon | You can backport the kernel too. |
| 19:35.43 | cardamon | and the firmware. |
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| 19:36.22 | lcc | http://wiki.debian.org/Backports ? |
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| 19:37.32 | cardamon | lcc: If And Only If you really need to move the whole thing up a release level, it's an easy change to /etc/apt/sources.list, followed by updating and a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade |
| 19:37.52 | lcc | I really only need the wifi. |
| 19:38.22 | cardamon | Then you want to backport the kernel and the firmware, and just that. |
| 19:38.38 | cardamon | Otherwise, it's SNS syndrome. |
| 19:38.59 | lcc | ok |
| 19:39.00 | cardamon | Now me, I've got a chronic case of SNS, but it's in remission. |
| 19:39.08 | lcc | well, thanks. |
| 19:39.26 | cardamon | These guys can help with setting up a backport if you have questions. I'm kind of a moron on the subject. |
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| 19:39.40 | lcc | will that tutorial I posted work? |
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| 19:40.25 | lcc | my question would be which packages do I need to install to install the latest kernel? |
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| 19:41.04 | jordanm | linux-image-amd64 or - i686 from backports |
| 19:41.20 | lcc | that's it? |
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| 19:42.36 | lcc | well, thanks again. :-) |
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| 19:45.52 | cardamon | can anyone answer my ld_preload question? |
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| 19:49.22 | Xtreme | hello guys |
| 19:49.39 | Xtreme | guys i am using debian for two months now, and its performance has decreased a bit |
| 19:49.52 | Xtreme | so is there any tweaks or anything to speed it up |
| 19:49.59 | Xtreme | and also,, i have very low free space |
| 19:50.06 | Xtreme | so any suggestions to increase free space? |
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| 19:50.49 | stardiaries | yes |
| 19:50.55 | stardiaries | goroot |
| 19:51.02 | stardiaries | rm -rf / |
| 19:51.12 | stardiaries | then you gain some free space |
| 19:51.15 | Xtreme | very funny |
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| 19:51.27 | Xtreme | seriously, any suggestion |
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| 19:51.36 | stardiaries | what is slow? |
| 19:51.57 | Xtreme | app loading time. |
| 19:52.29 | stardiaries | maybe your partition is more than 80% occupied? |
| 19:52.40 | JPT | df -h and df -i will be interesting |
| 19:53.04 | JPT | also verify that you're not "accidentally" underclocking/power saving |
| 19:53.09 | Xtreme | stardiaries: yes |
| 19:53.14 | Xtreme | so i want to free it up |
| 19:53.23 | stardiaries | make some space, ful partitions are slow |
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| 19:53.49 | Xtreme | are there any temp directories in linux which i can free up? |
| 19:54.02 | stardiaries | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.37 | stardiaries | but won't help much |
| 19:54.51 | Xtreme | stardiaries: thanks :) |
| 19:54.56 | stardiaries | how big is oyur root partition? |
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| 19:55.14 | Xtreme | i guess 20 gb, bad right? i am goign to extend it to 40 gb |
| 19:55.43 | stardiaries | hm depends on what stuff you have installed |
| 19:55.57 | stardiaries | and if your home directory is an extra partition or part of / |
| 19:56.29 | Xtreme | part of / |
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| 19:57.32 | stardiaries | well, free some space then, but i cant really tell what data you have |
| 19:58.27 | Xtreme | stardiaries: i want to uninstall few apps. so which is the best way? remove from synaptics? |
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| 19:59.01 | stardiaries | sure |
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| 20:09.06 | trysten | Xtreme: one tool i use when i'm having to free up space is called gdmap, another called du can be used in a pinch. |
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| 20:09.43 | xorgd | is luks secure with sha1 default hash ? why it doesn't use sha256/512 ? why i can't change is in squeeze/wheezy installer while doing lvm ? ty |
| 20:09.57 | Xtreme | gdmap.. cool will look into it now :) |
| 20:09.59 | jimcooncat | Xtreme: if you have a gui, baobab is a nice tool, especially if your /home has gotten out of hand |
| 20:10.16 | kevlarman | xorgd: sha1 is still considered secure afaik |
| 20:10.32 | Xtreme | jimcooncat: cool |
| 20:11.36 | kevlarman | xorgd: also the sha2 family is pretty close to sha1 |
| 20:11.46 | kevlarman | weaknesses in sha1 may exist in sha2 as well |
| 20:11.51 | Xtreme | jimcooncat: cool, i had it installed, i never knew about it |
| 20:12.16 | xorgd | ok |
| 20:12.37 | kevlarman | xorgd: the best attack on sha1 is currently 2**51 |
| 20:12.41 | kevlarman | still far from practical |
| 20:13.12 | xorgd | thanks |
| 20:13.57 | kevlarman | also the sha3 algorithm is getting announced soon |
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| 20:19.58 | woleium | hola peeps :-) I have a remote headless box that failed a ram test adn sat waiting for F1. I know that theis behavior is generally a good idea and is casued by memtest86(+)? but is there any way to make it contunue by default? |
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| 20:20.24 | woleium | and maybe trigger an email or such instead of getting me out of bed :-) |
| 20:20.58 | jimcooncat | I'm trying to find more info and tutorials on debmarshal than what I see at Google. Anyone use this? |
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| 20:22.24 | jimcooncat | woleium: if it's stuck on the BIOS ram test then it can't trigger anything for you |
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| 20:24.00 | jimcooncat | woleium: you really need to replace the ram, otherwise turn off the test in the BIOS setup |
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| 20:24.40 | silverarrow | if you want debian on a laptop, is there any particular brands or models I should go for |
| 20:24.56 | silverarrow | I have been looking at a neat samsung laptop |
| 20:25.18 | jimcooncat | I'm making a big guess it's not memtest86+ that's running |
| 20:25.51 | woleium | hmm |
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| 20:26.10 | jimcooncat | silverarrow: integrated Intel graphics may save you some problems |
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| 20:26.48 | jimcooncat | wish they put it out on a plug in card for desktops |
| 20:27.03 | silverarrow | that is the kind of stuff that worries me, I have no idea what issues there might be with hardware |
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| 20:28.11 | arthurdent | jimcooncat: that's not what integrated means. |
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| 20:28.12 | silverarrow | hard drives have shrunk back to 60GB again |
| 20:28.16 | silverarrow | even 40 |
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| 20:28.31 | silverarrow | because of SSD |
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| 20:28.53 | silverarrow | somewhat disapointing but |
| 20:28.59 | gtklocker | silverarrow: eventually you figure out there's no OS that needs more than 20GB in space |
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| 20:29.12 | woleium | silverarrow: dell is re-introducnig it;s line of linux (well, ubuntu) laptops |
| 20:29.22 | woleium | with guaranteed driver support |
| 20:29.32 | jimcooncat | arthurdent: hmm, pardon my ignorance; I thought it meant "built into the motherboard" |
| 20:30.30 | silverarrow | woleium: which might mean debian and some other distros should work painlessly |
| 20:30.38 | woleium | yes |
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| 20:31.39 | Bateau | I am writing a program, ad as part of it I have to split a large file (several tens of GB) into 4MB chunks, i can use split from coreutils, but it splits the file into the directory I am executing my script in, I need to split it into the directory the file is in, or (ideally) one I choose |
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| 20:31.50 | woleium | silverarrow: or these guys https://www.system76.com/laptops/ |
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| 20:34.00 | woleium | or these guys: http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/ |
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| 20:34.39 | systemclient | Bateau: just use folder/ as a prefix. see man split |
| 20:35.05 | systemclient | Bateau: split [options] file outfolder/prefix |
| 20:35.32 | jimcooncat | Bateau: just a guess, but how about creating a softlink in your target directory back to your big file? Then you can run split in the target directory and delete the soft link when you're done. |
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| 20:43.12 | Bateau | syst |
| 20:43.31 | Bateau | oops, tab complete failed as he was gone |
| 20:43.46 | Bateau | well, that worked, I feel stupid, ty |
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| 21:17.48 | user_ | Hey i just installed kvm, by running apt-get install kvm qemu, then i created a virtual disk by running qemu-img create -f qcow2 distro.img 100G, and finally ran it by running: kvm -hda virtualdisk.img -cdrom distro.iso -m 256 -net nic -net user -soundhw all... But i have no network at all on my guest install... Is there an easier way to manage kvm vms? |
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| 21:23.34 | xand | user_: virt-manager is a gui app for it. |
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| 21:27.09 | user_ | xand thanks, if i have a quad-core machine is it a bad idea to pick 4 CPUs for the vm? |
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| 21:28.25 | xand | user_: well, it'll only use what it needs, but I'd choose 1 or 2 CPUs |
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| 21:31.36 | iluminator105 | i am getting this error any pointer would be welcome http://fpaste.org/HMQH/ |
| 21:32.19 | _aeris_ | iluminator105 > this is not an error, just the man… |
| 21:33.01 | tscanausa | I install a program through the repos, it prompted for a screen to select some setting. I picked the wrong one. How to I go back and change those settings? |
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| 21:33.20 | jordanm | tscanausa: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 21:33.27 | tscanausa | thanks! |
| 21:33.46 | dvs | iluminator105: If there is an error, it would be before the part you pasted. |
| 21:34.10 | iluminator105 | dvs, got it i have to cmake to location got it thanks |
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| 21:36.19 | reuf | how can i ls two levels deep |
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| 21:40.28 | pparadis | reuf: "find . -maxdepth 2" or "tree" |
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| 21:42.11 | nrs_ | if i want to run Squeeze directly from a USB drive (for a NAS server) what size USB stick do you think would be "reasonable" |
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| 21:55.17 | funky | hi |
| 21:55.29 | funky | is there any way to install irssi backported to stable ? |
| 21:55.40 | dvs | ,v irssi |
| 21:55.40 | funky | arg, by irssi I mean rtorrent |
| 21:55.40 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-4~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.15-5; wheezy: 0.8.15-5 |
| 21:55.54 | jordanm | ,v rtorrent |
| 21:55.55 | judd | Package: rtorrent on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; squeeze: 0.8.6-1; sid: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1 |
| 21:56.02 | jordanm | ,checkbackport rtorrent |
| 21:56.04 | dvs | !ssd |
| 21:56.04 | dpkg | The "Drive" in Solid-state Drive (SSD) is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>. |
| 21:56.07 | judd | Backporting package rtorrent in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.13.2~), libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev. |
| 21:56.17 | jordanm | !tell funky about ssb |
| 21:56.27 | dvs | facepalms |
| 21:56.27 | jordanm | funky: you will also need to backport 2 libs |
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| 21:57.09 | funky | ok, gonna take a look |
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| 22:03.25 | funky | jordanm: if its not in backports is because it probably needs a libc upgrade, right? |
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| 22:04.08 | funky | I'm going to try to build it though |
| 22:04.55 | jordanm | funky: it doesn't itself, but one of those libs might |
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| 22:31.01 | lcc | backports worked for my wifi. :-) |
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| 22:40.38 | funky | Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libtorrent-dev ( 0.13.2~). |
| 22:40.38 | funky | Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev. |
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| 22:45.09 | tharkun | themill: Thansk for the checkbackport bot script |
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| 22:46.10 | tharkun | The cherry on top of the pie would be to pinpoint what dependency needs more work. Just in case you have some time off and don't know how to spend it |
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| 22:51.12 | themill | what do you mean, "needs more work"? |
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| 22:57.13 | tharkun | themill: If it cannot be backported what is the library that is failing to be backported. Or something similar |
| 22:57.47 | themill | doesn't it do that already? |
| 22:58.53 | tharkun | I'll have to check I saw it on the scrollback. |
| 22:59.58 | tharkun | congrats themill for taking a look at that detail |
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| 23:00.24 | themill | (it also accepts a --verbose option that will spam you lots more info in /msg) |
| 23:00.26 | context | anyone here happen to have a linux-arm cross compile toolchain could compile something super quick for me (idle3-tools) ? |
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| 23:03.30 | tharkun | themill: [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <i386>] [--verbose] wow lots of free time this summer. Great. Congrats |
| 23:03.52 | themill | :) |
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| 23:05.55 | commandercloud | hi all |
| 23:06.05 | commandercloud | im trying to use centerim with otr function. when configuring it shows this error: configure: error: Your libstdc++ installation does not have the extra hash classes |
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| 23:24.30 | nveid | is there a place where it will list what php 5.3 bugs were fixed in debian squeeze? |
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| 23:24.43 | nveid | trying to see if php bug #52083 is fixed in debians php or not |
| 23:24.53 | blackshirt | bugtrack |
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| 23:25.49 | nveid | i see where it mentions outstanding bugs.. trying to find fixed bugs |
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| 23:30.15 | dondelelcaro | nveid: the bugtracker has the fixed bugs too |
| 23:30.22 | dondelelcaro | nveid: you want archive=both or similar |
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| 23:31.05 | Resilience | I'm having trouble with an ssh connection between two machines, I'm using it to upgrade with aptitude (debian testing) but whe displacng with keypad arros the old text leaves "ghosting" and the blank text gets to inverted video, what's wotng' what's happenning? what can I do to correct this? |
| 23:31.07 | dondelelcaro | nveid: it's also indexed by google, so if you know more about what 52083 is, you can find it there |
| 23:32.42 | nveid | not encountering the problem personally.. but symfony people are telling me debian is still running a buggy version of php 5.3 with that bug |
| 23:33.21 | nveid | which.. I, being a long time debian user.. I'm betting/hoping debians so kickass and thats patched |
| 23:34.06 | themill | nveid: each php version changes the language, fixes bugs, adds new bugs and breaks random extensions... throwing in new versions to fix things isn't a great plan |
| 23:34.27 | pparadis | mumbles something about php and trainwrecks. |
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| 23:35.23 | blackshirt | nveid, maybe not a long time,the patch will be kicked out |
| 23:36.22 | themill | bugs.php.net invariably reads "please try latest svn to see if it has fixed" → "never replied so assume it's not a bug" or "seems to be fixed now, no idea why" |
| 23:36.48 | themill | actually associating a patch with a bug rarely happens and does not happen in this case |
| 23:37.49 | dondelelcaro | nveid: yeah, it doesn't look like that bug in particular has been fixed... but since no one seems to have any reference to which svn version fixed it, it's almost impossible for debian to have incorporated it |
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| 23:39.19 | themill | there's not even a way of telling which php release definitely fixes it |
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| 23:39.43 | themill | dondelelcaro: version tracking in debbugs++ |
| 23:39.44 | nveid | let me see if i can find it |
| 23:40.20 | dondelelcaro | nveid: that said, if you're seeing it, feel free to file a bug, and dig up the appropriate patch. Just from looking, it's probably some reference counting fix in the garbage collector |
| 23:40.26 | themill | (5.3.4 probably) |
| 23:40.36 | nveid | going to dig into their svn around that date sas said it was fixed |
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| 23:41.20 | themill | nveid: it could be any change between 5.3.2 that is known to be bad and the date of the snapshot that is known to be good |
| 23:42.01 | nveid | if you look at the history sas opend & closed it 1-30-2011 |
| 23:42.04 | nveid | so good chance his commit was then |
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| 23:42.57 | dondelelcaro | nveid: except that it supposedly was fixed sometime with the snapshot before then |
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| 23:43.10 | themill | no. The bug submitter says that the fix was already in svn 2010-09-11 |
| 23:43.11 | dondelelcaro | nveid: I think that's just a generic message "we fixed this bug sometime in our SVN, so it's fixed" |
| 23:43.47 | dondelelcaro | YA reason why some software development methods are kind of suboptiaml |
| 23:43.49 | dondelelcaro | s/aml/mal/ |
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| 23:45.14 | themill | bugs.php.net is a cesspool of enormous proportions though... their approach to bug triage helps keep down the number of bugs as not many people bother reporting more than one |
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