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| 00:01.06 | johnfg | abrotman, No, I actually didn't get a response from debian at all, and almost nothing from #evolution. |
| 00:01.06 | pparadis | WebDawg: http://paste.debian.net/180252/ |
| 00:02.06 | WebDawg | pparadis, br0 vs br0:0 - the names are just for organizational purposes right? |
| 00:02.07 | pparadis | WebDawg: that example would apply to a network with a /26 CIDR allocation on it. you'd need to adjust the parameters as necessary to fit your particular environment. |
| 00:02.19 | pparadis | WebDawg: br0:0 is an alias on br0 |
| 00:02.59 | WebDawg | Hmm. So if I define my interfaces with a : then I do not have to put in the bridge_ports eth0 directive. |
| 00:03.06 | pparadis | WebDawg: no... |
| 00:03.09 | pparadis | that is not correct. |
| 00:03.34 | johnfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.38 | pparadis | WebDawg: br0:0 is only included there to illustrate assigning a private IP to the example host within a /24 private allocation. |
| 00:03.38 | WebDawg | under auto br0:0 you do not have a bridge_ports directive. |
| 00:03.47 | pparadis | WebDawg: you're not listening. |
| 00:03.49 | johnfg | Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/johnfg/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large |
| 00:03.54 | pparadis | WebDawg: you don't bridge ethernet aliases. |
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| 00:04.26 | johnfg | So, that's my problem, and it's only with yahoo, not gmail or hotmail. |
| 00:04.51 | pparadis | WebDawg: the first block is for loopback networking. the second block says eth0 is set to manual. the third block defines the network bridge and makes sure eth0 is on it. the fourth block gives the host a private IP within 10.0.1.0/24 as an ethernet alias on br0. |
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| 00:05.23 | WebDawg | pparadis, why did you not just setup another bridge with the private address? |
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| 00:05.36 | pparadis | WebDawg: while the example i've given you will work (and is in fact exactly what i use for a bunch of virtualization hosts), you really need to go read up on linux networking fundamentals before you go any further. |
| 00:05.46 | innociv | pparadis, i pm'd you the ip before but now the attack stoped again |
| 00:05.48 | pparadis | WebDawg: because there is only one NIC in the host. |
| 00:06.03 | pparadis | you bridge interfaces, not interface aliases. |
| 00:06.04 | WebDawg | pparadis, one sec. |
| 00:06.24 | innociv | Nevermind, being attacked again |
| 00:06.42 | edgy | yoshio: are you still trying? |
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| 00:07.40 | yoshio | I'm reluctant to install webmin. in /etc/cron.daily/apt, there is APT::Periodic::Enable "1"; commented out, do you have it uncommented in 02periodic ? |
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| 00:08.14 | yoshio | /etc/cron.daily/apt says: Create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic file to set your preference. |
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| 00:08.38 | yoshio | edgy: Enable the update/upgrade script (0=disable) |
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| 00:08.58 | WebDawg | pparadis, this works fine: http://paste.debian.net/180255/ |
| 00:09.47 | djdduty_ | aww, wtf, I got sfml directly from git, but it says it is only version 1.x D: |
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| 00:11.38 | yoshio | edgy: you do have the package unattended-upgrades installed, right? (mine I removed) |
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| 00:12.26 | edgy | yoshio: the line reads # APT::Periodic::Enable "1"; which means the commented value is the default, and yes I have the package installed |
| 00:13.06 | edgy | yoshio: not necessarily webmin, do you have any other repo that you need and you can test something with |
| 00:13.47 | pparadis | WebDawg: if it works, there's no problem, right? |
| 00:14.17 | WebDawg | No. I suppose I was just wondering what the advantage of using aliases was. I get it though. |
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| 00:16.06 | pparadis | if you don't care about having private networking on the same box, you really can just ignore the last block in the earlier example. |
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| 00:18.28 | pparadis | WebDawg: i really do think you should spend some time reading up on this stuff, though. right now, you're in the "get something working" mode, and i understand that. however, when what you're doing has an issue down the road, you'll be lost on how to even begin figuring out the problem without adequate background on this stuff. |
| 00:18.50 | pparadis | and that condition will make it more difficult for others to help you as well. |
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| 00:19.30 | calzifer | hi, if i want to use some software that is only accessable in testing or unstable for example, is it better to use apt-pinning or install a schroot debootstrap ? |
| 00:19.42 | djdduty_ | even libsfml-dev from backports isn't 2.x... |
| 00:19.54 | pparadis | calzifer: check any see if there's a backport first. |
| 00:19.58 | pparadis | s/any/and/ |
| 00:20.06 | pparadis | !tell calzifer about backports |
| 00:20.15 | calzifer | pparadis: there is no backport |
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| 00:20.23 | WebDawg | pparadis, I am listening. I have to bridge because it is recommended that no one use the built in network-script anymore. |
| 00:20.39 | pparadis | you should be aware that you can't just install packages from other releases on a different release. you will wind up with a broken system. |
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| 00:21.03 | calzifer | pparadis: is it safer to install a testing system in schroot? |
| 00:21.05 | pparadis | calzifer: if there isn't a backport already, you should consider creating one, if only for your own use. |
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| 00:21.43 | pparadis | calzifer: what i'm trying to explain is that even in a chroot, you will run a high likelihood of the stuff not working because of ABI changes. |
| 00:21.55 | calzifer | pparadis: ok, thank you! |
| 00:21.59 | pparadis | the answer usually is to create a backport yourself :) |
| 00:23.32 | calzifer | pparadis: if there is a system upgrade, like from squeeze to wheeze, will something brake bacause of the backports? |
| 00:23.53 | WebDawg | The Xen supplied network scripts are not always reliable and will be removed from a later version |
| 00:24.00 | WebDawg | So how do I get xen to use my bridge heh. |
| 00:24.08 | pparadis | WebDawg: are you absolutely stuck on using xen, btw? |
| 00:24.08 | WebDawg | #/join #xen |
| 00:24.12 | yoshio | calzifer: you would remove squeeze-backports from your repo list before going to squeeze |
| 00:24.25 | calzifer | yoshio: ok |
| 00:24.37 | calzifer | yoshio: but my own compiled backported stuff? |
| 00:24.44 | pparadis | apt will let you know if there are conflicts with anything during the upgrade, and you can resolve them as appropriate. |
| 00:24.44 | apt | okay, pparadis |
| 00:24.51 | pparadis | apt: i love you so much. |
| 00:24.51 | apt | You love you so much.? |
| 00:24.56 | pparadis | yes. |
| 00:25.09 | calzifer | xD |
| 00:25.14 | calzifer | ok, thank you guys! |
| 00:25.16 | yoshio | calzifer: don't know about your own stuff |
| 00:25.43 | WebDawg | pparadis, in this application yes. |
| 00:25.50 | WebDawg | Do you have something else I should use? |
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| 00:26.25 | pparadis | what you use is entirely up to you. i've been using KVM for a couple of years now for nearly all my virtualization needs, and am very happy with it. |
| 00:27.38 | edgy | yoshio: now i notice sh -x reveals: + echo unattended-upgrade (not run) doesn't this mean the upgrade didn't run |
| 00:28.09 | yoshio | edgy: cron should have a directory of timestamps so it knows when a job last ran, do you know where that is? I was looking in /var |
| 00:28.45 | edgy | yoshio: look for /var/lib/apt/periodic/autoclean-stamp |
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| 00:29.38 | innociv | Wheen I type screen -r it lists 2 screens but says there are none to be attached |
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| 00:31.38 | djdduty_ | grrrrrr wtf?! |
| 00:31.40 | LtL | innociv: screen -list ; screen -r [pid] |
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| 00:32.52 | innociv | Thanks |
| 00:32.59 | LtL | np |
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| 00:34.20 | edgy | yoshio: now I notice this comment # APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0"; |
| 00:34.20 | edgy | # - Run the "unattended-upgrade" security upgrade script |
| 00:34.48 | edgy | yoshio: doesn't this mean that only security upgrades are downloaded via enabling that line? then how can I enable the others? |
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| 00:36.40 | Gonxa | Hi |
| 00:36.44 | edgy | yoshio: the line in the code reads: if eval apt-get $XAPTOPT -y -d dist-upgrade $XSTDERR; then |
| 00:36.52 | edgy | yoshio: you see the -d option? |
| 00:37.07 | Gonxa | I need help with wheezy installer |
| 00:37.21 | edgy | yoshio: this means even security updates won't be installed! are they kidding?! |
| 00:37.26 | djdduty_ | I am building sfml from git, and yet it still thinks it is < 2.x |
| 00:37.38 | Gonxa | Can they help me? |
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| 00:38.57 | yoshio | edgy: that part downloads the packages only |
| 00:39.10 | edgy | yoshio: then where is the part that install them? |
| 00:40.02 | edgy | yoshio: there is no other line: # grep apt-get /etc/cron.daily/apt |grep dist-upgrade |
| 00:40.02 | edgy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.54 | djdduty_ | anyone been able to build sfml 2.0 from git on debian? |
| 00:41.50 | Gonxa | I have a problem with installer debian |
| 00:42.16 | Gonxa | It is freeze in start up partition |
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| 00:43.51 | Gonxa | It's last testing version |
| 00:44.31 | civillian | Gonxa: you will need to describe your issue more specifically |
| 00:44.34 | yoshio | Gonxa: someone else mentioned it today, but not sure of the version. I installed wheezy with Alpha 1, no problems |
| 00:45.24 | yoshio | edgy: unattended-upgrade --dry-run --debug |
| 00:45.35 | Gonxa | I have testing version |
| 00:45.50 | Gonxa | netinstall |
| 00:45.57 | yoshio | Gonxa: alpha 1 or the daily/weekly? |
| 00:46.25 | Gonxa | weekly |
| 00:46.55 | yoshio | Gonxa: did you try ALT-F2, ALT-F3, etc to see debug messages? |
| 00:47.07 | Gonxa | yes |
| 00:47.36 | Gonxa | mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition warnings |
| 00:49.09 | yoshio | edgy: you changed the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades file also? |
| 00:49.31 | Gonxa | if I disconect the HD the installer continue normally |
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| 00:50.16 | yoshio | Gonxa: there is a #debian-boot channel |
| 00:51.03 | abrotman | Gonxa: what is "the latest" ? |
| 00:51.31 | edgy | yoshio: sorry I was away |
| 00:52.31 | edgy | yoshio: no I haven't changed that 20auto file |
| 00:53.03 | edgy | yoshio: I don't even have that file |
| 00:53.05 | Gonxa | daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | Gonxa: are you trying to run wheezy or test the installer/ |
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| 00:54.23 | btr | hi, how can i send a dbus message to an selected user from a process with pid 0 ? |
| 00:54.26 | btr | like cronjob |
| 00:54.32 | Gonxa | I are traying install wheezy |
| 00:54.33 | btr | or pam auth |
| 00:54.40 | Gonxa | I am* |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman | Gonxa: the better method is generally to install squeeze, install minimal system to get network, then dist-upgrade from there |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | Gonxa: there's no guarantee that the wheezy installer will work today |
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| 00:57.11 | yoshio | Gonxa: try the alpha 1 installer |
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| 00:57.49 | Gonxa | Can you give me the link? |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | it's on the same page |
| 00:58.49 | edgy | yoshio: I will be away for around 20min, pleas |
| 00:59.02 | yoshio | Gonxa: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:59.29 | abrotman | Gonxa: why aren't you using the squeeze installer? |
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| 01:02.00 | Gonxa | because I love de testing version :D |
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| 01:02.39 | Gonxa | I have problem when translate stable version to testing version at repository |
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| 01:03.31 | Gonxa | I always installed testing version and don't have problems |
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| 01:03.39 | abrotman | okay, good luck |
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| 01:04.54 | Gonxa | lately testing version has problem |
| 01:05.21 | Gonxa | but I will download stable version |
| 01:05.40 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:05.49 | sney | verily |
| 01:06.15 | Gonxa | I'm sorry |
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| 01:07.32 | Gonxa | my english suck |
| 01:07.44 | sney | you don't need to tell us everything you do |
| 01:07.50 | proby | hi , in boot process the "waiting for /dev to be fully populated takes 20 seconds " how to fix that? (and thx) |
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| 01:08.56 | proby | !ping |
| 01:08.56 | dpkg | Yes, proby you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 01:09.03 | yoshio | edgy: I was wondering where the unattended-upgrade file was being called, see http://cworld.wikidot.com/adm:unattended-upgrades-on-ubuntu-or-debian-linux |
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| 01:09.21 | sney | proby: udev is hanging up on something, do you have a lot of extra disks, a raid array, something like that? |
| 01:09.40 | Gonxa | thanks for help me |
| 01:09.42 | proby | nn |
| 01:09.50 | proby | sney how to check that? |
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| 01:10.19 | proby | sney i doubt it is the GPU |
| 01:10.22 | sney | proby: how to check what hardware you have? erm, open the case |
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| 01:11.09 | proby | hhhhhhh , ok |
| 01:11.22 | proby | but how to check which one is taking that time? |
| 01:11.37 | sney | proby: 20 seconds is a little long but it does usually sit at that spot for a while |
| 01:11.50 | sney | proby: maybe look through dmesg and see if there's anything that repeatedly times out |
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| 01:16.39 | proby | ok |
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| 01:18.46 | edgy | yoshio: sorry I didn't understand you mean where the 02periodic file is called? |
| 01:18.48 | chris062689 | Quick question, if I want a ready-to-go 'just works' installation, would you suggest aptosid? Does the install dvd of debian just the command line? |
| 01:19.06 | sney | chris062689: I would not suggest any based-on-debian releases. |
| 01:19.17 | sney | !cd1 |
| 01:19.17 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Squeeze, you'd grab -> debian-600-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
| 01:19.42 | yoshio | edgy: http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/unattended-upgrades.html - I looked at the changelog from when squeeze was released to the present, don't see anything applicable |
| 01:19.55 | sney | debian's DVD1 will give you a Gnome desktop if you chose the desktop environment task during the installer |
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| 01:20.13 | chris062689 | Ah excellent. |
| 01:20.20 | edgy | yoshio: I even have another ubuntu 12.04 system and tested and got the same problem |
| 01:20.45 | chris062689 | Though, my only problem thus far is my damn Optimus graphics, is the current image of Debian working on Intel 4000 / Optimus if I set it to integrated only? |
| 01:20.55 | sney | yeah, the intel part generally works |
| 01:21.03 | sney | it's the switch and the nvidia component that doesn't |
| 01:21.31 | yoshio | edgy: some script has to execute the script /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade , but I don't see anything calling that script |
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| 01:23.14 | edgy | yoshio: on the cron.daily/apt file you have this line: if [ $UPDATED -eq 1 ] && which unattended-upgrade >/dev/null && check_stamp $UPGRADE_STAMP $UnattendedUpgradeInterval; then |
| 01:23.20 | edgy | yoshio: is this what you are looking for? |
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| 01:24.19 | yoshio | edgy: no, the "which" makes sure that the file exists. something has to actually execute the executable, but I don't know who is calling the executable |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | what's his WM ? |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | and why is it even a problem? |
| 01:26.00 | yoshio | edgy: if you look at http://cworld.wikidot.com/adm:unattended-upgrades-on-ubuntu-or-debian-linux , you can see the "+" signs, where you're supposed to add code so that unattended-upgrade is called |
| 01:26.04 | agggr | hi guys and girls maybe. i just installed debian wheezy with gnome 3 and the second time i logged in into gnome the gtk theme changed to the ugly gtk default and i have no touchpad tapping anymore which was the only setting i messed with before. any idea what might be wrong? |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | there's a mouse control in gnome3, right ? |
| 01:26.25 | edgy | yoshio: the which will expand to && /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade which is outside the if |
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| 01:26.48 | agggr | abrotman: it says tapping is enabled. which is weird, cause it dont work |
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| 01:27.48 | agggr | it makes me wonder what else is not workingg |
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| 01:28.34 | pparadis | !doesn't work |
| 01:28.34 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 01:29.15 | DeM0nFiRe | So, no fglrx in debian wheezy, huh? |
| 01:29.19 | agggr | pparadis: well, its quite descriptive when it comes to tapping. either it works, or it doesnt |
| 01:29.22 | dvs | nope |
| 01:29.30 | DeM0nFiRe | dreadfully unfortunate :P |
| 01:29.46 | pparadis | DeM0nFiRe: tell nvidia they suck. |
| 01:30.01 | DeM0nFiRe | Well, nvidia does suck, but you have the wrong brand, I was talking about AMD :P |
| 01:30.10 | edgy | yoshio: you are right regarding the which |
| 01:30.14 | yoshio | edgy: which unattended-upgrade gives me /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade , but which unattended-upgrade >/dev/null gives no output, so the && fails, I think this is why it doesn't run |
| 01:30.29 | pparadis | DeM0nFiRe: they suck too :) |
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| 01:30.53 | DeM0nFiRe | the fglrx are back in sid, though, right? |
| 01:31.05 | yoshio | edgy: maybe grab the unattended-upgrades pakage from unstable, and see if that script is changed |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | DeM0nFiRe: they both suck for the same reason |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | but nvidia has more suckage |
| 01:33.14 | DeM0nFiRe | You think I'll be able to get the fglrx drivers from sid working in wheezy? >_> |
| 01:33.56 | btr | can somebody point to the documentation where is explained how to properly uninstall package? i insatlled gnome but then i wanted to remove it so did aptitude remove gnome but it only removed 'gnome' and left all the dependencies that are now unused installed.. thanks |
| 01:33.57 | abrotman | try it and see .. what's the worst that happens .. it doesn't work |
| 01:34.49 | edgy | yoshio: I tested version 0.76 and still same result |
| 01:34.58 | DeM0nFiRe | yeah but that worst that happens means I have to find another distro, unfortunately, I kind of need the proprietary drivers |
| 01:35.14 | DeM0nFiRe | Any idea how long it will take for the drivers to make it back into wheezy? |
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| 01:36.14 | edgy | yoshio: I am sure I am missing something obvious, it couldn't be that complicated and it couldn't be not working for ages and no one noticed |
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| 01:39.27 | agggr | prompt doesnt show in gnome-terminal either. wtf |
| 01:39.37 | agggr | command output does though |
| 01:39.56 | agggr | prompt + command does not |
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| 01:41.05 | agggr | seems only white text doesnt show in gnome-terminal |
| 01:41.17 | VampsDaBeast | hmmm why wont my ehdds connect |
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| 01:43.15 | yoshio | edgy: /etc/cron.daily/apt is owned by apt, I'm grabbing the latest from unstable to see if it changed |
| 01:43.19 | edgy | yoshio: now I wonder if calling unattended-upgrade directly won't install the updates, how come I am expecting the apt to work |
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| 01:44.09 | edgy | yoshio: i think it's better now we check why calling unattended-upgrade directly won't work because apt as you mentioned just call it in different cases |
| 01:44.21 | edgy | yoshio: is this logic correct? |
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| 01:45.37 | yoshio | edgy: oh, it's called as --> if unattended-upgrade $XUUPOPT; then |
| 01:45.38 | iio7 | I have upgraded my kernel from backports and have got my wacom bamboo pen working, however I would like to use kde-config-tablet, but when I run that it says "DBus connection to kded deamon not available". |
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| 01:47.29 | edgy | yoshio: yes, I now my point is if you call unattended-upgrade from cli as root, shouldn't it install the updates? |
| 01:47.40 | yoshio | edgy: unattended-upgrade --dry-run --debug --> this showed up upgradeable packages, it didn't show any for you? |
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| 01:48.14 | edgy | yoshio: it says No packages found that can be upgraded unattended |
| 01:48.57 | edgy | yoshio: check the full outuput at: http://pastie.org/4303640 |
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| 01:50.01 | yoshio | edgy: ok, when you do aptitude safe-upgrade or dist-upgrade, does it still show packages that can be upgraded? which ones |
| 01:50.46 | edgy | yoshio: http://pastie.org/4303648 |
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| 02:07.39 | VampsDaBeast | does any know why the debian repos only have wine 1.0 or what i'm missing to get 1.4.1? |
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| 02:09.36 | abrotman | VampsDaBeast: it's a well-known issue .. |
| 02:09.50 | ManoftheSea | I see 1.4.1-1 |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | judd: versions libwine |
| 02:10.18 | judd | Package: libwine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-2 |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: you're not using squeeze .. |
| 02:11.09 | VampsDaBeast | so squeeze does support 1.4.1? |
| 02:11.21 | sney | !newer wine |
| 02:11.22 | dpkg | The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for wheezy/sid, see http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ . These packages can be backported to squeeze with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support. |
| 02:11.36 | cuddlesquid | wine wine! |
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| 02:11.46 | cuddlesquid | been a while |
| 02:11.50 | abrotman | VampsDaBeast: not natively |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | or not officially i should say |
| 02:12.11 | VampsDaBeast | understood |
| 02:12.29 | VampsDaBeast | !ssb |
| 02:12.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | ugh ... |
| 02:12.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell VampsDaBeast about msg the bot |
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| 02:13.48 | VampsDaBeast | so id need to backport wine to get 1.4+ |
| 02:14.00 | ManoftheSea | oh that's right. Sorry. |
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| 02:35.15 | roe | Does anyone know if the kernel for wheezy has been decided on yet? |
| 02:36.02 | abrotman | what do you mean? |
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| 02:36.26 | abrotman | it's going to be 3.2.0-x-$ARCH |
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| 02:36.28 | roe | I don't think wheezy has been frozen yet |
| 02:36.32 | roe | ah, gotcha |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | roe: /topic |
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| 02:36.56 | roe | is that pointing me to #debian-next? |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | no .. |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | thepart where it says wheezy is frozen |
| 02:37.18 | roe | ohcibi, it did freeze |
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| 02:37.44 | roe | I hadn't heard |
| 02:37.48 | roe | that's great news |
| 02:39.36 | djdduty | hmm, if I compile my own .deb package, and use dpkg -i to install it, (sfml in this case) it should be able to be found by cmake find modules, right? |
| 02:40.24 | djdduty | I am trying to install sfml from git, and It seemed to have worked but cmake can only find 1.6, and not the 2.x version I compiled from github. |
| 02:40.51 | djdduty | and the project I am trying to use cmake on requires 2.x |
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| 03:07.04 | yoshio | djdduty: install apt-file. do "apt-file update". do "apt-file list libsfml-dev" - this shows you what's in the -dev package. after you compiled your local package, are the files installed in the the right place? |
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| 03:11.53 | djdduty | nevermind |
| 03:11.56 | djdduty | I found out the problem |
| 03:12.04 | djdduty | I was compiling and installiung it correctly |
| 03:12.28 | djdduty | but, when I compile/install sfml it removes bullet (I also compiled and installed bullet) |
| 03:12.35 | djdduty | and when I compile/install bullet it removes sfm |
| 03:12.38 | djdduty | I mean... why? |
| 03:12.42 | djdduty | xD |
| 03:13.05 | djdduty | all I am doing is cmake, make, and checkinstall, for both sfml and bullet. |
| 03:15.33 | djdduty | oh nevermind |
| 03:15.46 | djdduty | I was never changing stuff in checkinstall |
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| 03:27.39 | dioz | i have a amd hd 5450 with hdmi |
| 03:27.46 | dioz | i get audio whilst watching youtube videos |
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| 03:28.01 | dioz | but when i play vids via vlc or mplayer i have no audio |
| 03:28.56 | dioz | vlc tells me to update alsa-lib |
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| 03:31.59 | Guest98859 | hey guys - is fglrx ATI fixed for Debian Wheezy ? - I still have an i7 laptop which sucks - cannot get it running Wheezy - it can run Squeeze or Fedora 17 any hints ? |
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| 03:43.42 | nsadmin | dioz could it be the output plugin of vlc? |
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| 03:44.15 | nsadmin | do other things play in vlc/mplayer correctly? |
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| 03:55.34 | dioz | end result is i can't have a a youtube video open, paused, and start to play a movie |
| 03:55.45 | dioz | no audio |
| 03:55.53 | dioz | close the browser w/ the vid |
| 03:55.59 | dioz | i gget audio |
| 03:56.01 | dioz | weird |
| 03:57.50 | innociv | 150mb/s ddos attack and can't get into ssh again. Times out. :/ |
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| 04:05.34 | Devastator | this seems a light ddos attack, i wonder what can happen when hit by 1Gb/s |
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| 04:08.37 | djdduty | gah I hate aptitude |
| 04:08.54 | djdduty | sometimes it brings me to notes, but I have no idea how to get out of the notes and finish the install |
| 04:08.54 | djdduty | xD |
| 04:09.01 | djdduty | is a debian noob |
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| 04:11.09 | innociv | http://pastie.org/4304157 Okay so here is my iptables rules, and iptables -nvL. These seem to be doing an alright job of filtering the attack (a ton of upstream isn't sent back, a lot of cpu isn't used) However, legitimate connections aren't reaching the server. Virtually no upstream is sent back. |
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| 04:11.16 | nevyn | notes? |
| 04:11.18 | innociv | blocking a ton of syn there |
| 04:11.23 | djdduty_ | this, I hate it, http://i.imgur.com/jszUj.png |
| 04:11.27 | djdduty_ | how do I get out of this xD |
| 04:12.00 | nevyn | umm that's vi :q! |
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| 04:12.05 | LtL | djdduty_: press 'q' |
| 04:12.12 | innociv | http://pastie.org/4304169 getting xt_hashlimit: max count of 65536 reached |
| 04:12.12 | djdduty_ | wait, this is vi? |
| 04:12.18 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:12.19 | djdduty_ | why does it look so different -.- |
| 04:12.20 | excalibr | hello. what do you use to monitor a process's real time file system, threads, calls activities? |
| 04:12.38 | nevyn | it's either vi or less but probably vi/view |
| 04:12.43 | djdduty_ | -.- |
| 04:12.49 | LtL | ah esc :q |
| 04:13.51 | peterrooney | djdduty_: it looks like you are in vi; also, this isn't an aptitude issue - it's apt-listchanges. dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:14.13 | djdduty_ | heh |
| 04:14.30 | peterrooney | dpkg-reconfigure -plow apt-listchanges |
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| 04:21.59 | djdduty_ | no mygui package in debian either? |
| 04:22.14 | djdduty_ | darn, thats the third package in one project that debian doesn't have =/ |
| 04:23.13 | djdduty_ | going to have to find/compile it myself to =/ |
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| 04:23.54 | xorgd | anyone have an idea if Alsa 1.0.25 will be in debian wheezy ? |
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| 04:51.25 | X-tonic | why does debian unstable still not have eclipse 4.2? , should I file a bug for the version bump request>? |
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| 04:52.58 | dondelelcaro | X-tonic: it almost certainly won't get eclipse 4.2 until after wheezy releases. However, you can request that it get uploaded to experimental. Bonus points if you help make that happen |
| 04:54.47 | X-tonic | dondelelcaro: Sure, any place where I must refer to to learn about debian packaging so that I can help? |
| 04:56.54 | dondelelcaro | X-tonic: in this case, your best bet is to e-mail pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org and ask what they could use to help |
| 04:57.04 | dondelelcaro | X-tonic: but just in general, /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 04:57.12 | karlpinc | X-tonic: debian.org has a link for developers. |
| 04:57.14 | X-tonic | thnx. :) |
| 04:57.30 | X-tonic | yes, is this one accurate http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging ? |
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| 05:14.34 | dizzylizzy | is there an easy way to see what flags were passed to configure for a package? |
| 05:14.39 | dizzylizzy | how a debian package was build |
| 05:14.44 | dizzylizzy | s/build/built/ |
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| 05:16.31 | k-man | iiuc, shadow passwords are hashed using md5? md5 is widely considered to be not strong enough any more, how does that impact its use in password hashes in shadow? |
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| 05:18.45 | peterrooney | k-man: shadow CAN be encrypted via MD5, but SHA-256 and SHA-512 are also available |
| 05:19.00 | pparadis | md5 should not be used anymore. |
| 05:19.17 | k-man | peterrooney, how do I find out what my system is using by default? |
| 05:19.18 | pparadis | modern distros don't use it for password hashes anymore, either. |
| 05:19.26 | rozie | k-man: it's md5 by default, but you can change it. and it's safe as long as passwords are long |
| 05:19.57 | pparadis | wait, what? |
| 05:20.12 | pparadis | no, md5 is not safe as long as passwords are long. |
| 05:20.38 | k-man | i've looked on my system, and it appears to be using md5 in shadow. ie the passwords are prefixed by $1$ |
| 05:20.54 | rozie | yes it is. the problem is only with mass cracking (rainbow tables) of unsalted hashes from DBs |
| 05:20.57 | pparadis | what system are you referring to? |
| 05:21.09 | k-man | debian |
| 05:21.19 | pparadis | rozie: i'm sorry, you need to research that last statement further. rainbow tables are the beginning of this, not the end. |
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| 05:21.36 | pparadis | k-man: what type of system are we talking about here? is this a system you installed yourself, a VPS, what? |
| 05:21.36 | peterrooney | rozie: I doubt it's md5 by default; every user account I've looked at on two machines is SHA-512 |
| 05:21.49 | pparadis | is betting it's a VPS. |
| 05:21.49 | k-man | installed myself on a vps, using debian stable |
| 05:22.01 | k-man | i admin it myself |
| 05:22.06 | rozie | pparadis: collisions have little impact in practice |
| 05:22.49 | pparadis | rozie: i'm not referring to collisions here. |
| 05:22.56 | rozie | pparadis: link? |
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| 05:23.30 | pparadis | rozie: i'm not going to do your homework for you. if this is your field of expertise, as you seem to be claiming (stop me if i'm wrong), you should be able to figure this out on your own. |
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| 05:23.45 | samuraibsd | What would you guys recommend as a good size for /? I'm putting /home on another partition. |
| 05:23.56 | samuraibsd | Drive is a 256GB SSD |
| 05:24.00 | k-man | ah, i looked at the wrong system - its actually using something other than $1$ |
| 05:24.03 | pparadis | k-man: when you say "installed yourself" how did you install it? is this a VPS on another hosting provider? |
| 05:24.14 | pparadis | k-man: that seems more sensible :) |
| 05:24.24 | pparadis | although i must note something really amusing here. just a sec. |
| 05:24.32 | k-man | pparadis, yeah sorry - i also have an old vps i am decommisioning, which does seem to use md5 |
| 05:24.38 | k-man | i looked at that one by accident |
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| 05:25.24 | pparadis | btw, $1$ wouldn't actually be md5. |
| 05:25.33 | pparadis | that would be legacy crypt. |
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| 05:26.06 | pparadis | on that topic, here's a fun link. i know the guy who produced this; i was the guy who verified what he thought he was initially seeing (got root on a test VPS in 20 seconds) --> http://mesoscale-convective-vortex.blogspot.com/2012/06/multiple-rackspace-security.html |
| 05:26.08 | k-man | according to common-password, my new server is using sha512 i think |
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| 05:26.37 | pparadis | argh, sorry $1$ would actually be md5, having brain farts here :) |
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| 05:27.18 | k-man | pparadis, yeah, i was about to say that shadow 5 was contraticting you :) |
| 05:27.27 | pparadis | hehe yep :) |
| 05:27.46 | k-man | anyway, thanks for clarifying for me |
| 05:27.58 | pparadis | i've been working my butt off all day (as in burning calories work, moving crap) so i'm a little tired right now :) |
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| 05:29.29 | pparadis | samuraibsd: just out of curiosity, why are you putting /home on a separate partition? there are good reasons for this, just want to make sure you're doing it for such reasons. |
| 05:30.43 | pparadis | samuraibsd: to give you an idea of space requirement, a minimal netinstall of debian takes around 800-900 MBytes depending on what you consider minimal. given the absurdly cheap prices on most disks these days, i'd allocate 5-10 GBytes to / by default if i were going to partition things differently. |
| 05:31.18 | Diopter | pparadis: Huh. Interesting. I may or may not work for aforementioned hosting provider :P |
| 05:31.27 | pparadis | Diopter: fun stuff huh |
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| 05:31.43 | Diopter | Indeed |
| 05:31.54 | samuraibsd | pparadis: I want to share /home between two distros. |
| 05:32.10 | rozie | pparadis: it's not my field. I recommend reading http://wampir.mroczna-zaloga.org/archives/954-cos-mocniejszego-niz-md5.html (google translate) or http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002095.html |
| 05:32.12 | samuraibsd | I use Debian for a lot of things, but I also use Slackware for some things |
| 05:32.25 | rozie | changing md5 to sha does not eliminate the problem in any way |
| 05:32.29 | Diopter | samuraibsd: Those are pretty different from each other. |
| 05:32.34 | Phiscribe | sees big trouble soon coming |
| 05:32.35 | pparadis | rozie: this is actually part of what i do for a living (crypto and breaking it). |
| 05:32.44 | samuraibsd | Diopter: I'm aware of that. |
| 05:32.49 | sney | sharing home directories between 2 linux distributions can get pretty messy due to the dotfiles |
| 05:33.42 | sney | personally, I have a large data drive that I mount under my home directory - it just behaves as ~/data/ and no configs get screwy bouncing back and forth between boots |
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| 05:34.05 | samuraibsd | I don't have a huge hard drive to work with, though. |
| 05:34.26 | sney | it works with disks or partitions, just smarter mounting than sharing ~ |
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| 05:35.30 | Phiscribe | uid adn gid might get sick, program config files gonna clash, more stuff i cant think of |
| 05:35.49 | samuraibsd | Well, alright, fine, I won't do that. |
| 05:36.10 | samuraibsd | I'll just throw it all on one partition and hope I never have to reinstall the OS. |
| 05:36.14 | Phiscribe | be bold give it a try, tell us what heppens hehe |
| 05:36.46 | Phiscribe | maybe make /home/thisdistor and /homethatdistro |
| 05:37.12 | Phiscribe | not a help if your trying to save space but if you just want to centralize, perhaps |
| 05:37.20 | samuraibsd | It's probably simpler if I just use Slack for everything. |
| 05:37.28 | sney | yeah, if you had separate users for the separate distros it wouldn't conflict |
| 05:37.30 | Phiscribe | probably |
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| 05:37.46 | Phiscribe | or one distro that is, whichever |
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| 05:38.15 | samuraibsd | I just need to save space, and I don't really like having to commit to one distro like that |
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| 05:39.09 | Phiscribe | i got at 80md main drive i still use in one machine, (cause its 10k rpm) and it dual boots, i got room |
| 05:39.13 | sney | if it were me, with 256GB to go around, I'd have 64GB debian /, 64GB $other_os /, 128GB data partition to be mounted wherever it makes sense |
| 05:39.17 | Phiscribe | one 80mb that is |
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| 05:40.41 | Phiscribe | but i do have another drive for data |
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| 05:41.27 | samuraibsd | Probably not worth the trouble. |
| 05:41.34 | rozie | pparadis: so you should be aware how long does it take to break md5 hash. if you say it's easy - heres md5 ddb02d4670d216b48191863b95be5792 for one password (40 letters, lowercase only) |
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| 05:45.31 | pparadis | rozie: i could, in theory, hand that off to a buddy of mine who happens to be sitting on a cluster of 300 8-core systems. you might be surprised at the result. |
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| 05:45.44 | pparadis | and that's not a very expensive hardware investment, for the right people at least. |
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| 05:46.13 | pparadis | and therein of course lies the problem. |
| 05:46.21 | samuraibsd | Any of you guys heard of running Debian on a ThinkPad W530? I'm thinking of replacing my T400 with one. |
| 05:46.29 | pparadis | it's just not that difficult, and guys like him are a dim a dozen these days. |
| 05:46.55 | rozie | 8-core? they should use GPU |
| 05:46.56 | Diopter | samuraibsd: I've got a W520 and it runs flawlessly on it. Though you'll need at least Wheezy (or a 3.x kernel bare minimum) due to the firmware requirements on the networking adapters. |
| 05:47.06 | rozie | but still, it'll take a lot of time |
| 05:47.37 | rozie | and that's the point. every hash is brutforceable. matter of resources only |
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| 05:47.43 | samuraibsd | Diopter: Would you recommend it (530 doesn't look all that different, really) to someone who already has a powerful desktop? |
| 05:48.06 | Linkey | ~ |
| 05:49.32 | Diopter | samuraibsd: mmm... Depends on what you mean by powerful desktop, I suppose. |
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| 05:49.59 | samuraibsd | Phenom II X4, Radeon HD 6850, 8 GB RAM, 2x1TB HDD |
| 05:50.08 | Diopter | samuraibsd: ThinkPads are amazing machines in any light, period. And the W5xx series are kind of rocking. |
| 05:50.23 | samuraibsd | I should probably put "powerful" in quotes. It was middle of the road when I built it a year ago |
| 05:50.32 | rozie | and cost per hash is high for single hash |
| 05:50.37 | Diopter | Oh, well, then that just depends on how much you're willing to spend on your laptop'o'doom. :) |
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| 05:50.58 | Diopter | You can put 2 SATA drives and one mSATA drive in a W530, you can stuff 32GB of RAM if you get the quad-core i7 |
| 05:51.15 | Diopter | Or at least you can on the 17" W520... assuming it's similar |
| 05:51.28 | samuraibsd | Just a stock W530 with the k1000m, 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD |
| 05:51.28 | Diopter | GPU is probably some variety of mobile nvidia quadro |
| 05:51.31 | samuraibsd | That's all I'm thinking |
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| 05:51.37 | Diopter | mm |
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| 05:51.40 | pparadis | rozie: it is really not that simple. especially when you're talking about md5, which lowers the bar a ridiculous amount. i'll take the same password and put it through md5 and sha-256/512 and you would giggle at the computational complexity difference to discover it. |
| 05:52.20 | samuraibsd | Yeah, Diopter, it's a quadro |
| 05:52.29 | samuraibsd | Which probably has awful Linux support. |
| 05:53.17 | Diopter | Depends. Optimus-wise, yes. Proprietary-driver-wise, it's pretty beastly. |
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| 05:53.45 | samuraibsd | What kind of battery life do you get? I assume you have the 6-cell |
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| 05:53.59 | xui32 | i already have -y -q like this "chroot /mnt/ apt-get install -y -q cryptsetup lvm2 dmsetup grub2 linux-image-2.6-amd64 aufs-tools whois" |
| 05:54.05 | rozie | pparadis: link I provided has this data. md5 is roughly 3 times cheaper than sha256/sha512 |
| 05:54.26 | xui32 | and am trying to suppress errors for a script... yet i still get prompted by grub. is there a way around that? |
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| 05:54.37 | pparadis | rozie: it's cheaper than that. |
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| 05:55.00 | pparadis | rozie: but okay, take whatever sources you want to heart. it's up to you. |
| 05:55.15 | Diopter | samuraibsd: Depends. I generally run mine for work stuff, which is a lot of VMs. But if the brightness is low, and I'm using the Intel GPU only (which is mostly the case), I can get 11 hours of solid battery + wifi + moderate usage |
| 05:55.19 | pparadis | it's actually much cheaper than that. |
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| 05:55.41 | samuraibsd | Diopter: That's with only the 6-cell? That's amazing. |
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| 05:56.08 | Diopter | samuraibsd: I think it's the 9-cell. It's the extended one that pokes out the back. |
| 05:56.12 | samuraibsd | I barely got two hours when my T400 was brand new back in '09 |
| 05:56.29 | Diopter | Well, an Intel GPU is an amazing thing :P |
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| 05:56.34 | Diopter | Particularly with RC6 |
| 05:56.42 | samuraibsd | I ran it on the Intel GPU |
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| 05:57.02 | samuraibsd | Right now, since it's almost always plugged in these days, I'm using the ATI...3470, I think it is. |
| 05:57.34 | xui32 | don't like ati... amd is refusing to release critical components. can't even get it working with 2d. or just barely. |
| 05:58.50 | rozie | pparadis: any data on "cheaper". even 10 times cheaper makes no big difference |
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| 06:00.01 | xorgd | on http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-base.html , in testing migration, does it mean that Alsa 1.0.25 will not be in wheezy ? (I need 1.0.25 to get my sound working on a new laptop) |
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| 06:01.08 | rozie | and if someone can read shadow on the system, there's much bigger problem, than hash alghoritm |
| 06:03.33 | pparadis | rozie: i'm not going to provide that data. there are a couple of good reasons for this on my end. one of them involves me going to jail if i do that, and no, i'm not kidding. i'm not hard to find on the net, have a look at my resume if you're curious why i might have that problem. |
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| 06:04.24 | pparadis | summary == really, don't use md5. no, really, don't. no i'm not kidding. just stop now. no bullshit, don't do it. |
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| 06:05.15 | penrod | pparadis: what do you recommend ? |
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| 06:05.29 | pparadis | use SHA-512 for now. |
| 06:05.43 | xorgd | pparadis : is sha1 ok ? |
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| 06:06.14 | pparadis | no |
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| 06:06.30 | pparadis | well, for varying definitions of okay. |
| 06:07.21 | xorgd | luks use it as default to encrypt exemple debian |
| 06:07.31 | pparadis | thus the varing definitions of okay. |
| 06:07.41 | pparadis | s/varing/varying/ |
| 06:07.43 | xorgd | ok :) |
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| 06:08.06 | pparadis | there's an old saying along the lines of "it's how you use it" that does apply here. |
| 06:08.18 | simonlnu | FSVO OK |
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| 06:09.39 | xorgd | on http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-base.html , in testing migration, does it mean that Alsa 1.0.25 will not be in wheezy ? (I need 1.0.25 to get my sound working on a new laptop) ty |
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| 06:15.51 | Mimiko | Hello |
| 06:16.01 | Mimiko | Does $ORIGIN exists in debian? |
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| 06:17.38 | boudiccas | Mimiko: and what is $ORIGIN ? |
| 06:17.59 | Mimiko | folder where binary resides |
| 06:18.10 | Mimiko | launched binary |
| 06:18.35 | boudiccas | Mimiko: from your description, no. debian and linux use directories, only windows uses folders |
| 06:18.56 | Mimiko | )) oke, directory |
| 06:19.09 | Mimiko | directory where launched binary resides |
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| 06:20.02 | Diopter | Sounds like a shell-specific feature |
| 06:20.44 | Mimiko | I want to use it in -rpath property of binary file |
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| 06:22.54 | Diopter | Mimiko: http://itee.uq.edu.au/~daniel/using_origin/ well looky here, Google found me your answer |
| 06:23.52 | Mimiko | Diopter, I'm googling right now too ) |
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| 06:25.43 | Mimiko | Diopter, that site shows how to specify $ORIGIN to linker |
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| 06:26.22 | Mimiko | But does $ORIGIN expands in debian? I changed rpath using chrpath for a binary and it seems does not work |
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| 06:36.48 | xorgd | on http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-base.html , in testing migration, does it mean that Alsa 1.0.25 will not be in wheezy please |
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| 06:41.19 | Mimiko | I've found problem. It must be set to ${ORIGIN} '{' and '}' is mandatory |
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| 06:45.37 | xorgd | on http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-base.html , in testing migration, does it mean that Alsa 1.0.25 will not be in wheezy please |
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| 06:46.44 | pparadis | xorgd: you've asked that three times already. you may want to post to the mailing lists. |
| 06:47.00 | pparadis | or take it to #debian-next |
| 06:47.50 | xorgd | ok |
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| 07:24.40 | SuperMiguel | wtf rsync keeps giving me error: rsync failed to set times invalid argument (22) |
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| 07:29.00 | basix | i wanted to look at debian packaging examples. although i have found tutorials i am trying to look for actual examples. I am able to find the source to the packages but i dont see any packaging related code / files like the control file etc... some pointers would be appreciated :) |
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| 07:30.14 | marsje | what do I need to do to sync my server clock using ntp? I installed ntp on 2 servers but the time does not match... On one server (squeeze) I have the default config, on the other (lenny) I added some ntp servers myselfs |
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| 07:31.06 | woowoowoo | niggers are a fucking plague |
| 07:31.08 | woowoowoo | yes they are |
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| 07:31.17 | woowoowoo | that is why I am a member of the best niggerhating site on the net |
| 07:31.32 | woowoowoo | Chimpout Forum welcomes all from non-negroid races who hate niggers! |
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| 07:31.42 | woowoowoo | That is right! We are not White supremacists! |
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| 07:32.03 | bazhang | !ops woowoowoo |
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| 07:32.36 | bwf | seriously, racism? |
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| 07:32.52 | bwf | !ops woowoowoo |
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| 07:32.58 | drigollier | hi debian |
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| 07:35.44 | BlitzHere | boudiccas: Well, fedora put up the strongest challenge to debian yet. Anaconda installer was pretty awesome but yum was yuck. So, 10distros later, I think I am sticking to debian...lol |
| 07:35.59 | BlitzHere | I haven't tried arch though.... |
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| 07:36.18 | emss | basix `apt-get source dash' extract the package and look in debian/ |
| 07:36.36 | basix | emss, thanks |
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| 07:37.21 | sauvin | Fedora crashes a lot. |
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| 07:37.53 | BlitzHere | Fedora is equivalent to debian testing, I think... |
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| 07:38.38 | BlitzHere | Meant unstable |
| 07:39.06 | bardzusny | Fedora is kinky |
| 07:39.11 | bardzusny | always new stuff |
| 07:39.27 | BlitzHere | Actually, some packages in fedora are even newer than unstable. So, it might be a cross between debian experimental and unstable |
| 07:39.43 | Phiscribe | till an accident happens, youll shot your eye out |
| 07:40.11 | bardzusny | BlitzHere: It sounds as if Fedora is closely related to Debian |
| 07:40.30 | gregcor | BlitzHere: Arch is pretty close to sid |
| 07:40.43 | gregcor | A bit more maintenance headaches though. |
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| 07:41.34 | BlitzHere | gregcor: That's the only distro that was on my shortlist to try out but I never ended up doing do... |
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| 07:41.55 | emss | basix `apt-get source dash' extrace the .tar.gz extract the .diff.gz then `patch -p0 < *.diff' |
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| 07:42.42 | gregcor | BlitzHere: Setup takes a while, they just removed their installer today so it takes a bit longer than it used to. |
| 07:42.43 | basix | emss, okay... i needed a bit of advice. i am looking @ the source + http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/packaging-tutorial/download |
| 07:43.03 | gregcor | BlitzHere: It's basically debian sid + slightly newer releases and a really good ports system (AUR) |
| 07:43.22 | gregcor | BlitzHere: but official repos are much smaller than debian, so you'll have to use the ports system more often |
| 07:43.31 | basix | emss, all i want to do is create a package with a bunch of dependencies + some files that get delivered to a system (eg. apache virtual host confs, php scripts) when I install the package |
| 07:43.57 | BlitzHere | gregcor: It already sounds like it's beyond my skill level at the moment... |
| 07:44.33 | Harzilein | basix: maybe try some configuration management system instead, like puppet, or cfengine (dunno if chef in debian is usable) |
| 07:44.45 | basix | emss, i'm trying to figure out how do i configure the package to specify where to look for the conf & php scripts and ultimately where to place the... |
| 07:45.22 | gregcor | BlitzHere: I've done the setup a few times, and I really like using it once it's set up, but I wouldn't exactly jump at the opportunity to do the setup again, I'd much rather user sid (unstable) |
| 07:45.30 | basix | Harzilein, ok i will look at that but i am going to build my own package(s) which may not be available in any repository for a while at-least.. |
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| 07:46.19 | emss | basix http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDevelopment#Package |
| 07:46.40 | BlitzHere | Yeah, for the moment, I'll focus on getting a good debian system up and running. |
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| 07:48.44 | BlitzHere | The one thing I liked about yum though is that it checked a different mirror if the first mirror failed. Is there a way to do that in apt? I would think that adding a bunch of sources for the same thing in sources.list probably wouldn't be a good idea... |
| 07:49.36 | basix | emss, thanks i'm already looking at that |
| 07:49.49 | bardzusny | BlitzHere: http.debian.net |
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| 07:50.23 | basix | BlitzHere, shouldn't matter right? because usually the "mirror" is served by a bunch of machines... |
| 07:50.26 | simonlnu | http.d.n is pretty damned sweet actually |
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| 07:50.54 | BlitzHere | bardzusny: thanks! |
| 07:50.55 | simonlnu | been using it since late may or sometime in june |
| 07:51.06 | emss | BlitzHere add multiple mirrors to your sources.list |
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| 07:54.05 | emss | basix a nice example might be the package flashplayer-mozilla since it downloads a package from the www |
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| 07:54.23 | basix | emss, ok |
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| 07:58.01 | emss | basix http://wiki.debian.org/PackagingTutorial read about the debian/control debian/rules |
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| 07:58.21 | chimptroll | niggers are a plague on humanity |
| 07:58.28 | basix | emss, ok |
| 07:58.36 | chimptroll | that is why I am a member of Chimpout Forum, the Interent's best niggerhating forum! |
| 07:58.46 | chimptroll | You can pay us a visit here! http://www.chimpout.com/forum please |
| 07:58.55 | thomas | !ops chimptroll |
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| 07:59.03 | chimptroll | We welcome all non-negroids who hate niggers! |
| 07:59.17 | chimptroll | I myself am a Mexican! |
| 07:59.31 | chimptroll | Give us a try at http://www.chimpout.com/forum wooo wooo woo |
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| 07:59.52 | thomas | ah mentor :) |
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| 08:00.18 | emss | basix if you can just put any command in debian/rules you can use rsync,wget,curl,scp etc. to distribute/download files or just add the files to the package you want to install |
| 08:00.25 | mentor | That might confuse him for a moment |
| 08:01.05 | emss | basix you could just put all the files in a package and automatically regenerate the package when there are changes to config files etc. |
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| 08:02.34 | mentor | Oh |
| 08:02.37 | mentor | You didn't kick him |
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| 08:02.43 | mentor | The it won't confuse him |
| 08:03.21 | basix | emss, ok. so from what i am reading (http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging#Step_3:_Add_the_Debian_packaging_files) is that, the convention is to put all the files to be installed as part of the package under debian/<package_name>/path/to/file/system. |
| 08:03.31 | emss | basix you could also setup nfs and remotely mount the filesystems containing the configuration files... |
| 08:04.02 | basix | emss, mount where..? |
| 08:04.17 | basix | emss, as part of the package or on the target machine? |
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| 08:04.42 | emss | on the target machine |
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| 08:05.16 | basix | emss, ah. i would prefer packages. provides easy way to version my configs. besides i can roll back / roll forward... |
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| 08:07.09 | emss | basix you could use a script to push the configs to all the servers too without using the .deb for that |
| 08:07.27 | basix | emss, yes |
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| 08:12.23 | forestbird | ok, so the latest update on sid creates /run/shm, but permissions on that are wrong.... chromium not like that |
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| 08:39.04 | MalditosPretos | Niggers are the scourge of humanity! |
| 08:39.17 | MalditosPretos | That is why I joined the greatest niggerhating forum on the internet! |
| 08:39.33 | MalditosPretos | Pay us a visit at Chimpout Forum http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 08:39.56 | groupcat | time to go now |
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| 08:44.20 | idletask | Hello |
| 08:44.59 | idletask | apt-cache search xxxx has returned me a package name, but it doesn't display the version/release of this package, how can I get this information? |
| 08:45.26 | ectospasm | idletask: aptitude show xxxxx |
| 08:45.49 | boudiccas | idletask: use synaptic? |
| 08:46.08 | idletask | boudiccas: I want to operate from the command line |
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| 08:46.15 | adam8157 | idletask: apt-cache show package-name |
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| 08:47.38 | idletask | adam8157: thanks! |
| 08:47.42 | adam8157 | idletask: np |
| 08:47.53 | ectospasm | aptitude show works too... |
| 08:48.33 | idletask | ectospasm: I don't have it installed and don't wish to install _yet_ another Debian package management program |
| 08:48.36 | idletask | There are just too many |
| 08:48.55 | mentor | Or even apt-cache policy |
| 08:49.04 | ectospasm | some would say aptitude is superior to apt-get et. al. |
| 08:49.29 | ectospasm | but I don't want to get into that argument here. |
| 08:49.42 | mentor | aptitude is essentially core these days |
| 08:50.26 | mentor | Also, you don't get charged for installing packages |
| 08:51.44 | idletask | dpkg is the base one if I've heard correctly? |
| 08:51.46 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, idletask |
| 08:52.16 | ectospasm | apt is built on dpkg, yet |
| 08:52.25 | ectospasm | s/t$/s/ |
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| 08:55.15 | boudiccas | your discussion about aptitude reminded me to remove it, as it operates from a coloured terminal window which i cant see so its totally useless for me |
| 08:56.46 | ectospasm | that's only the aptitude TUI, which I don't use... |
| 08:56.47 | boudiccas | for the same reason i avoid all ncurses programs, i just cant see them |
| 08:57.05 | boudiccas | ectospasm: you mena that aptitude has a gui? |
| 08:57.10 | boudiccas | mean |
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| 08:57.30 | mentor | Not just a matter of changing your terminal colours? |
| 08:57.33 | ectospasm | aptitude --help indicates there's a GTK GUI, but I don't use it, either. |
| 08:58.03 | mentor | the gtk frontend isn't… good |
| 08:58.31 | boudiccas | mentor: its only a problem with things like aptitude and ncurses programs, for the rest of the time i like the black text on a white background |
| 08:58.53 | ectospasm | boudiccas: what terminal emulator do you use? |
| 08:59.14 | boudiccas | bash, and the default one in gnome |
| 08:59.25 | ectospasm | um, bash is a shell, not a terminal emulator |
| 08:59.39 | ectospasm | so you use gnome-terminal? |
| 08:59.44 | boudiccas | yes |
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| 09:00.02 | boudiccas | didnt know its name, just as the gnome default |
| 09:00.52 | ectospasm | curses-based stuff looks fine in gnome-terminal, last time I looked. Of course, I don't stick with the black text on white background color theme. |
| 09:01.30 | ectospasm | and you don't need ncurses to use aptitude the way I use it |
| 09:01.56 | boudiccas | ectospasm: i find that its got a coloured background with black test which is unreadable |
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| 09:02.11 | boudiccas | text |
| 09:02.25 | ectospasm | right. Try gray text with a black background, you might like that better. |
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| 09:02.51 | ectospasm | or better yet, gray text with a transparent background. |
| 09:02.51 | APinochet | NIGGERS ARE A PLAGUE THAT MUST BE ELIMINATED! |
| 09:02.59 | APinochet | That is why I am a member of a special forum called Chimpout! |
| 09:04.11 | mentor | boudiccas: If you set your terminal colours it looks fine |
| 09:04.34 | boudiccas | is there a wiki page telling how to set the terminal colours please? |
| 09:05.19 | mentor | Edit→Profile Preferences→Colours |
| 09:05.41 | mentor | It applies as you go, so if you have, say, aptitude loaded up you can see |
| 09:06.02 | mentor | For aptitude it seems you want to swap the dark and light colour |
| 09:06.07 | mentor | for black, white, and blue |
| 09:06.33 | ectospasm | I have my gnome-terminal set to black text on white background, and still aptitude looks OK to me... |
| 09:06.49 | mentor | Good for you |
| 09:06.54 | ectospasm | I don't use gnome-terminal, but it looks better (easier to read) when displaying that on a projector. |
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| 09:07.14 | mentor | maybe red too |
| 09:07.51 | echo083 | what is the loss of performance using i386 instead of ia64 when the processor is ia64 compatible ? |
| 09:08.01 | ectospasm | um |
| 09:08.13 | mentor | You can't use ia64 and i386 interchangeably |
| 09:08.18 | ectospasm | ia64 is not compatible with i386 |
| 09:08.26 | bardzusny | you mean amd64 don't you? |
| 09:08.26 | mentor | echo083: You mean amd64 and i386 |
| 09:08.26 | ectospasm | you want amd64/x86_64 |
| 09:08.27 | idletask | echo083: you mean amd64, right? |
| 09:08.46 | idletask | ia64 is Itanium (some call it Itanic) |
| 09:08.47 | mentor | echo083: You should just run amd64 if you can |
| 09:08.50 | mentor | was |
| 09:08.54 | mentor | WAS |
| 09:09.07 | mentor | echo083: Why are you considering running i386 instead? |
| 09:09.16 | echo083 | bardzusny, ok marby i confused ia64 and amd64 so if i use i386 instead of amd64 what is the performance loss ? |
| 09:09.22 | echo083 | bardzusny, i already installed i |
| 09:09.46 | echo083 | bardzusny, i386 so i wondered if it was a performance gain to switch to amd64 now |
| 09:09.58 | echo083 | s/marby/maybe/ |
| 09:10.08 | mentor | echo083: Unless you're measuring it, you probably won't notice, unless you have over 4 GiB of memory |
| 09:10.16 | ectospasm | unless you've got a PAE kernel, you won't be able to address >4GiB RAM |
| 09:10.26 | echo083 | mentor, ok cool that's not the case !! |
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| 09:10.39 | ectospasm | ...amd64 binaries have the potential to be larger, disk-space-wise |
| 09:10.39 | echo083 | mentor, i only have 3Gb or ram |
| 09:10.41 | mentor | echo083: Did you install in one partition? |
| 09:10.52 | echo083 | mentor, yes all in the same partition |
| 09:10.55 | mentor | And RAM size too |
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| 09:11.12 | echo083 | mentor, you mean i could have switch to amd64 easily if i had a separate partition for home ? |
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| 09:11.27 | mentor | echo083: More easily |
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| 09:11.50 | echo083 | mentor, the first lines returned by lscpu |
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| 09:11.55 | echo083 | Architecture: i686 |
| 09:11.55 | echo083 | CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit |
| 09:11.59 | mentor | don't paste |
| 09:12.06 | echo083 | mentor, it's tiny ! |
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| 09:12.23 | mentor | 2 lines is just about acceptable |
| 09:12.24 | echo083 | mentor, it is not compatible ia64 right ? |
| 09:12.37 | mentor | You will never see an ia64 system ever |
| 09:12.40 | mentor | Forget about it |
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| 09:13.10 | mentor | echo083: It can do amd64 however |
| 09:13.23 | echo083 | mentor, but what should i see if it happened ? seeing amd64 and ia64 is quite confusing when downloading the debian installer |
| 09:14.08 | echo083 | mentor, ok ok |
| 09:14.10 | mentor | ... |
| 09:14.26 | echo083 | mentor, thanks ! |
| 09:14.31 | echo083 | thanks everyone answering me |
| 09:14.33 | ectospasm | Debian does support the ia64 architecture, but most folks won't ever see an actual Itanium CPU |
| 09:15.05 | mentor | Most people won't need to worry about s390 either |
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| 09:15.37 | echo083 | ectospasm, why the debian network installer doesn't choose the architecture for us ? |
| 09:16.05 | mentor | It's too late by the time you're running it |
| 09:16.22 | ectospasm | echo083: afaik it should be selected by the architecture of the netinst image... |
| 09:16.37 | mentor | Maybe some more hints on the download page, however |
| 09:16.44 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: look sometimes you get an Itanium in your hands: http://blog.pcfreak.de/2010/03/24/just-for-fun-firefox-on-hp-ux/ |
| 09:16.46 | bardzusny | installer has to run some binaries on /target/ system, so architectures must match |
| 09:17.33 | echo083 | ectospasm, you have to choose the architecture by yourself even when downloading the netinst image |
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| 09:18.13 | ectospasm | echo083: that much I know, but not when actually booting the netinst image onto the target machine... |
| 09:18.25 | echo083 | bardzusny, yes i thougth about that too but it could download the installer during the boot process to match the exact architecture |
| 09:18.25 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: interesting |
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| 09:18.40 | mentor | echo083: No, it couldn't |
| 09:18.48 | mentor | echo083: That's what bardzusny just said |
| 09:18.52 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: but it's not debian |
| 09:19.13 | echo083 | mentor, that's not exactly what he said |
| 09:19.25 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: yeah, I got that with HP UX and all... |
| 09:19.38 | mentor | echo083: Yes it is… |
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| 09:19.48 | bardzusny | echo083: what about kernel? |
| 09:19.57 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
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| 09:19.59 | echo083 | mentor, not it isn't ... leave people express by themself you'll be nice |
| 09:20.00 | mentor | echo083: If the installer has to be the correct architecture, then it can't then select the right architecture |
| 09:20.13 | mentor | echo083: It would be a no-op |
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| 09:20.23 | H4x012 | hi guys |
| 09:20.39 | mentor | echo083: Indeed, but the same goes for listening to people who are taking the time to talk to you |
| 09:20.41 | H4x012 | do you know can i download debian 6 .iso image? |
| 09:20.44 | H4x012 | one file |
| 09:20.55 | mentor | H4x012: net inst? |
| 09:21.16 | H4x012 | no |
| 09:21.28 | Calinou | here you go: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 09:21.28 | echo083 | mentor, you are embedding in discussions not concerning you why am i taking the time to prepend the nickname in your opinion ? |
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| 09:21.54 | H4x012 | i need the 4.4 image |
| 09:21.54 | mentor | echo083: I'm sorry? |
| 09:21.56 | H4x012 | in one .iso |
| 09:22.06 | echo083 | mentor, yes you can ! |
| 09:22.40 | mentor | H4x012: You know that the entire of Debian doesn't fit on one CD, right? |
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| 09:23.06 | mentor | echo083: Er? |
| 09:23.33 | H4x012 | yeah |
| 09:23.41 | boudiccas | H4x012: stable is 6.0.5, there is no 4.4 image |
| 09:23.54 | echo083 | mentor, what a shame to polute the chan with such a discussion i mean "yes you can be sorry" debate close |
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| 09:24.16 | mentor | echo083: Oh right |
| 09:24.19 | mentor | shrugs |
| 09:24.46 | H4x012 | so its not possible to get it in one cd |
| 09:25.06 | mentor | H4x012: There is no Debian 4.4 |
| 09:25.11 | mentor | There's a Debian 4.0r4 |
| 09:25.24 | mentor | But it's up to 4.0r9 now |
| 09:25.27 | boudiccas | H4x012: you can get cd1/dvd1 and install aworking system from that |
| 09:25.32 | mentor | H4x012: No, not the whole archive |
| 09:25.44 | mentor | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 09:26.23 | mentor | H4x012: Why do you need the full CD; what are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:26.29 | H4x012 | i mean 4.4 gb |
| 09:26.37 | mentor | That would be a DVD then |
| 09:26.44 | H4x012 | my internet is suck of shit.. and get dc me every 10 min :D |
| 09:26.53 | H4x012 | so do you think that its possible to install netinst? |
| 09:26.54 | H4x012 | :D |
| 09:27.00 | mentor | You want the latest stable DVD? |
| 09:27.07 | H4x012 | yeah |
| 09:27.26 | mentor | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 09:27.34 | mentor | You can even buy them |
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| 09:29.16 | mentor | (Sorry, it's irritating me; the tactic of saying "end of discussion" isn't valid) |
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| 09:29.49 | ectospasm | s/he's already left, mentor |
| 09:29.56 | mentor | I know |
| 09:30.08 | mentor | I was addressing that to the ether |
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| 09:33.29 | Twinkletoes | My ntp client doesn't seem to be working correctly, it's clock is now 45 minutes out of sync with the server. 'ntpdc -s' shows the remote server, and the offset is 2807 and growing |
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| 09:34.24 | mentor | Twinkletoes: What does ntpq peers say? |
| 09:34.49 | ectospasm | Twinkletoes: have you tried stopping ntpd, running "ntpd -g -q -x", and then restarting ntpd? |
| 09:35.14 | mentor | ntpq -nc peers |
| 09:35.53 | Twinkletoes | mentor: The server is listed, and the line from stratum onwards, reads: 3 u 17 64 377 0.362 2820108 1804.96 |
| 09:36.09 | mentor | ectospasm's thing steps the time |
| 09:36.16 | mentor | Is there a symbol before the hostname/IP? |
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| 09:36.31 | Twinkletoes | mentor: No |
| 09:36.57 | mentor | ntpd is not synching with that server |
| 09:37.05 | mentor | Probably because the offset is to big |
| 09:37.09 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Ah, so it's listed as a peer, btu not syncing? |
| 09:37.14 | mentor | Meaning you need to do what ectospasm said |
| 09:37.29 | mentor | * is the peer it is currently using |
| 09:37.33 | mentor | + is in range |
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| 09:37.41 | mentor | and - is rejected |
| 09:37.43 | mentor | I think |
| 09:37.54 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Ok. The server has a line includefile /etc/ntp/crypto/pw, that's not going to stop it syncing is it? |
| 09:38.12 | mentor | Are you using crypto? |
| 09:38.30 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Here we go... I knew you were going to ask... I've inherited this |
| 09:38.35 | Twinkletoes | mentor: the client doesn't make mention of it though |
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| 09:39.36 | mentor | Are there any ACLs with notrust set? |
| 09:39.44 | Twinkletoes | mentor: no |
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| 09:40.00 | mentor | Twinkletoes: Shouldn't be relevant then |
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| 09:40.47 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Ok, I'll do as ectospasm said (once I've studied the effects it will have), and thank you for that little bit of teaching about ntp |
| 09:40.57 | Twinkletoes | ectospasm: Thank you for that :) |
| 09:41.22 | mentor | Twinkletoes: Make sure to keep an eye on it until you know it's working |
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| 09:41.36 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Will do |
| 09:41.40 | mentor | I've had ntp wander off on me enough times |
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| 09:46.35 | Twinkletoes | mentor: 1 minute ago, I did what ectospasm said and I now have the correct time. ntpq -p shows a '*' before the server, but the offset and jitter are now both above 1,000. Is that bad? |
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| 09:46.58 | mentor | 1,000 jitter is quite bad, yes |
| 09:47.02 | Twinkletoes | mentor: And it's now stopped syncing :( |
| 09:47.11 | Twinkletoes | mentor: offset 1828, jitter 1586 |
| 09:47.16 | mentor | They're in ms |
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| 09:47.48 | Twinkletoes | mentor: The server is a physical machine gettign it's time from the uk pool servers, and the client is a debian 6 VM on Hyper-V. I wonder if Hyper-V is messing things up |
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| 09:48.53 | mentor | Twinkletoes: Yes, walltime often goes wonky in VMs |
| 09:49.11 | mentor | Twinkletoes: I know for xen for a while there was an independent wall clock option |
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| 09:51.31 | Twinkletoes | mentor: I've found an article for CentOS (I'm using debian though) which recommends editing grub.conf to include 'clocksource=acpi_pm'. Does debian support this, too? |
| 09:51.45 | Twinkletoes | mentor: It was for CentOS running on Hyper-V |
| 09:51.46 | mentor | It's a Linux option |
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| 09:55.40 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Is it evil to schedule rdate, and run it as a cron job every minute? |
| 09:55.51 | mentor | Yes |
| 09:55.56 | Twinkletoes | grumbles |
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| 09:56.31 | ectospasm | many services depend on there being no jumps in the time |
| 09:57.06 | ectospasm | ...running ntpdate, ntpd -g -q -x, or any like command would be detrimental. |
| 09:57.14 | ectospasm | ...if run every minute |
| 09:57.26 | Twinkletoes | Yeah |
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| 10:01.16 | pjc_ | ahoy hoy |
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| 10:02.28 | Yoplitein | does cron re-run failed jobs (i.e. the command exits non-zero) |
| 10:02.30 | Yoplitein | ? |
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| 10:03.03 | mentor | Yoplitein: No |
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| 10:08.00 | Mephisto | hi |
| 10:08.22 | Mephisto | i'm getting annoying message on boot saying that "cryptdisks.functions" cannot be found |
| 10:08.42 | Mephisto | not that it bothers me, but i'm just curious how to get rid of that sucka |
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| 10:13.53 | afsal | any problem in running 32 bit debian in 64 bit cpu |
| 10:14.11 | ectospasm | afsal: not that I see |
| 10:14.25 | Mephisto | afsal, i tried that some while ago |
| 10:14.48 | Mephisto | afsal, it was slow for some reason. Also, you don't get more than 3gb of RAM |
| 10:14.56 | Mephisto | which is natural |
| 10:14.57 | ectospasm | of course, unless you run with a PAE kernel, you won't have access to more than 3GB RAM |
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| 10:15.05 | Mephisto | oh yeah.. right.. i remember that |
| 10:15.26 | steven43126 | Hi, i have a disk exported over SAS to a Debian Squeeze server. One of the disks has previously had a partition on it. I wish to remove the partition and just use ext4 directly on the disk. however mkfs.ext4 complains that it is in use by the system. |
| 10:15.31 | ectospasm | there should be a negligible difference in processing speed, however. |
| 10:15.42 | afsal | i have only 1gb ram |
| 10:16.17 | Edowardo | Squeeze 64-bit, audio issues: Only one app or web plug-in can use the audio output at a time. Example, skype will work but playing music from a media player will not. Once skype is close the media player will work immediately. |
| 10:16.31 | steven43126 | the disk isn't mounted i suspect it's because Linux still thinks there is a partition on there even though i have removed it. partprobe and kpartx don't seem to change the behaviour. |
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| 10:17.47 | afsal | my system support both 32 and 64 which is favour |
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| 10:18.34 | ectospasm | afsal: 64 bit programs will use more RAM, and take up slightly more disk space |
| 10:18.43 | Twinkletoes | mentor: Adding kernel parameters 'divider=10 clocksource=acpi_pm' has solved the problem. Thank you for your help |
| 10:19.08 | Twinkletoes | afsal: If you're not sure which, then you probably only need 32-bit |
| 10:19.09 | ectospasm | ...since you've only got 1GiB RAM, I'd recommend 32bit (i386) |
| 10:19.27 | Mogget | how do i get my terminal emulator to start sh instead bash? I have been looking through /etc/alternatives so that I can do "update-alternative --config foo" but can not find anything relevant |
| 10:19.37 | afsal | ok thnks... |
| 10:20.12 | ectospasm | Mogget: wouldn't that depend on the terminal emulator? |
| 10:20.35 | Mogget | ectospasm: I don't know. Thats why I am asking here. |
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| 10:23.25 | ectospasm | Mogget: what is your terminal emulator? |
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| 10:24.17 | Mogget | mine is terminator |
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| 10:24.37 | Jaggz- | anyone know how to use netpbm stuff (pamstretch, etc.) to make a new transparent pam image? |
| 10:24.38 | ectospasm | I don't have terminator installed anymore, hold on... |
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| 10:27.03 | ectospasm | Mogget: you could run a custom command instead of your shell... Right-click/Preferences.../Profiles/Command/Run a custom command instead of my shell... |
| 10:27.15 | ectospasm | Mogget: or, just change your shell with chsh |
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| 10:29.34 | Mogget | ectospasm: Thank you. That worked nicely. |
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| 10:35.05 | PorchMonkey | I am fucking sick and tired of niggers! |
| 10:35.12 | PorchMonkey | ARe you sick and tired of fucking niggers? |
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| 10:40.13 | afsal | i dwnlded live cd of debian but no gui (image file name is debian-live-6.0.4-i386-standard.iso ) |
| 10:42.28 | afsal | which iso image gives live gui? |
| 10:44.41 | Mephisto | is kerneloops a neccessary app? |
| 10:44.47 | Mephisto | can i just remove it? |
| 10:44.52 | Mephisto | as well as openssh? |
| 10:45.44 | cusco_ | afsal: it should have gui |
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| 10:46.02 | cusco_ | afsal: do you get in a login prompt? |
| 10:46.08 | afsal | how get it |
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| 10:46.33 | afsal | yes |
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| 10:47.42 | afsal | cusco: yes |
| 10:47.53 | cusco_ | startx ' |
| 10:47.57 | cusco_ | startx |
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| 10:49.24 | afsal | cusco: when running startx showing command not found |
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| 10:51.47 | afsal | cusco, any idea |
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| 10:53.46 | afsal | i dwnlded live cd of debian but no gui (image file name is debian-live-6.0.4-i386-standard.iso ) which iso give live with gui |
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| 10:54.50 | nsadmin | afsal, umm... the command does not exist? |
| 10:54.56 | nsadmin | hence not found? |
| 10:55.47 | cusco_ | afsal: perhaps /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 10:55.48 | cusco_ | ? |
| 10:55.50 | cusco_ | (not sure) |
| 10:56.10 | nsadmin | afsal, what do you want to do? what had you start with a live cd? |
| 10:56.41 | cusco_ | afsal: also, folks at #debian-live should know how to help you best... |
| 10:56.56 | Mephisto | i have annoying message on boot. |
| 10:57.07 | Mephisto | cryptdisks.functions cannot be found |
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| 10:57.35 | nsadmin | "I am an annoying message! Please propigate me by adding me to your .signature!" |
| 10:58.01 | Mephisto | negative sir |
| 10:58.03 | nsadmin | are your disks encrypted? |
| 10:58.09 | Mephisto | no |
| 10:58.28 | Mephisto | those are leftovers of Trintiy desktop that i purged, ok? |
| 10:58.29 | nsadmin | I am not a negative sir! (oh wait, maybe I am, that's a double negative) |
| 10:58.31 | Mephisto | it's happened before |
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| 10:58.46 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:58.48 | Mephisto | but the other time i managed to get rid of it, but this time it's stuck |
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| 10:58.56 | nsadmin | is it preventing anything? |
| 10:58.58 | Mephisto | no |
| 10:59.05 | Mephisto | it's ok, i just don't wanna see the message |
| 10:59.12 | nsadmin | ok, why don't you try this... |
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| 10:59.47 | nsadmin | grep -r "cryptdisks.functions cannot be found" /etc |
| 10:59.59 | Mephisto | :) |
| 11:00.05 | Mephisto | is this a joke? |
| 11:00.26 | nsadmin | no, it searches all of /etc for that message |
| 11:00.31 | Mephisto | oh, ok |
| 11:00.33 | Mephisto | lemme try |
| 11:00.45 | nsadmin | what it is is a shot in total darkness :) |
| 11:00.53 | Mephisto | so i guess it should be run as root |
| 11:01.00 | Mephisto | since it gives me buncha "permission denied" msgs |
| 11:01.11 | nsadmin | and nothing else? |
| 11:01.21 | Mephisto | nope. |
| 11:01.27 | Mephisto | ran as root, it gave me a few things |
| 11:01.35 | Mephisto | ahh... |
| 11:01.42 | Mephisto | it's in /etc/init.d |
| 11:01.43 | Mephisto | hmm... |
| 11:01.58 | Mephisto | /etc/init.d/cryptdisks-early:. /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions |
| 11:01.58 | Mephisto | /etc/init.d/cryptdisks:. /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions |
| 11:02.03 | Mephisto | also in rc* folders |
| 11:02.08 | Mephisto | set to autorun |
| 11:02.09 | nsadmin | ok, got it. |
| 11:02.12 | Mephisto | thanks man |
| 11:02.15 | Mephisto | i'll wipe it now |
| 11:02.22 | nsadmin | welcome... |
| 11:02.54 | nsadmin | here's why they're still there... |
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| 11:03.47 | nsadmin | there is this packaging feature called conffile and it's for marking specific files as configurationg files (so the package mgr is aware of them) |
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| 11:04.18 | nsadmin | probably most /etc/init.d/* are conffiles belonging to their respective packages |
| 11:04.47 | nsadmin | when you remove a package, it takes most stuff but leaves conffiles |
| 11:05.03 | nsadmin | when you purge, it also removes conffiles |
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| 11:05.46 | Mephisto | i know |
| 11:05.54 | Mephisto | but not always |
| 11:05.59 | Mephisto | that's what i did the other time and somehow it worked |
| 11:06.01 | Mephisto | this time it didn't |
| 11:06.03 | Mephisto | dunno why |
| 11:06.07 | Mephisto | but it left those files there |
| 11:06.19 | Mephisto | i even installed the trinity stuff again and purged it one more time |
| 11:06.20 | Mephisto | same shit. |
| 11:06.34 | Mephisto | so yeah.. whatever. I just removed it myself and let's see if that thing appears on boot again... brb |
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| 11:08.00 | afsal | i dwnlded live cd of debian but no gui (image file name is debian-live-6.0.4-i386-standard.iso ) which iso give live with gui |
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| 11:09.51 | nsadmin | afsal, what do you want to do? what had you start with a live cd? |
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| 11:10.01 | Mephisto | all clean |
| 11:10.03 | Mephisto | thanks again |
| 11:10.07 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 11:10.18 | Mephisto | hey.. could you tell me do i really need kerneloops? |
| 11:11.12 | nsadmin | Mephisto, I think that thing looks at kernel oopses and the system.map files and tries to resolve the addresses to names |
| 11:11.21 | Mephisto | hmm.. |
| 11:11.37 | nsadmin | do you need it? I dunno :) |
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| 11:13.20 | Mephisto | haha |
| 11:13.34 | Mephisto | well.. frankly to say.. i don't even know what all this means |
| 11:13.38 | Mephisto | i guess it means that i really don't need it :) |
| 11:13.55 | Mephisto | i just wanna use as cleaner memory as possible |
| 11:14.16 | Mephisto | i've already disabled lotsa services, it's all fine. |
| 11:15.45 | r15 | hi, i installed debian squeeze on hp-pavilion-dv6-7039tx-laptop, wireless is not detected. |
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| 11:17.47 | r15 | when i am enabling/disabling remote kill button, i am getting usb related message in logs. |
| 11:17.58 | r15 | new full-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd |
| 11:18.10 | r15 | idVendor=0a5c, idProduct=21e3 |
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| 11:20.38 | SuperMiguel | any of u guys tried ssh vpn? |
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| 11:21.05 | ectospasm | SuperMiguel: I've set up SSH tunnels, if that's what you mean... |
| 11:21.55 | SuperMiguel | ectospasm: i guess that is what they are doing here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH_VPN |
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| 11:25.53 | ectospasm | SuperMiguel: so... are you having trouble with setting that up? |
| 11:26.01 | ectospasm | looks pretty straightforward... |
| 11:26.24 | SuperMiguel | ectospasm: well i was actually trying to set up openvpn using ipsec |
| 11:26.46 | SuperMiguel | but some one told me to use ssh vpn, that was supported by more system and was easier to implement |
| 11:26.53 | SuperMiguel | but not sure what the diff is |
| 11:27.00 | SuperMiguel | looking for that atm |
| 11:27.20 | ectospasm | obviously, the difference between OpenSSH and OpenVPN (-; |
| 11:27.47 | triad- | guys, i need help |
| 11:28.08 | triad- | I want to install a stable version of debian, with XFCE |
| 11:28.17 | triad- | and Thunar as file manager |
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| 11:31.59 | kobzar | hi all! |
| 11:32.23 | kobzar | someone use qemu? i have stak after winxp hardware chek... |
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| 11:33.51 | adrakoa | hi |
| 11:34.19 | sturles | triad-: Why don't you just install it? What do you need help with? |
| 11:34.29 | dlclassic | hey whats up |
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| 11:36.09 | dlclassic | what should i have in my .xinitrc to no longer receive dbus notauthorized errors when i try to suspend? |
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| 11:39.22 | kobzar | nobody can help with qemu? |
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| 11:40.19 | sturles | kobzar: Probably, but noone are going to put you up against the wall and force you to reveal your problem. You need to tell us, and then someone may know the answer. |
| 11:40.54 | sturles | kobzar: Tell us exactly what the problem is and what you have done to solve it. |
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| 11:41.46 | sturles | (Btw, I have no idea what stak is. Somehting Windowsiosh?) |
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| 11:42.46 | kobzar | i have debian wheezy x64 ! i am install qemu as apt-get install qemu. now i greate a image file and try install x86 windows XP. qemu -m 256 -hda MyDoc/winXP.qcow2 -cdrom Downloads/ZverCD_2012.ISO -boot d -localtime -vga std |
| 11:43.45 | kobzar | system is starting, install is begin but after windows cheked hardware (..whating, windows detekt hardware?) a see ionly black screen ? |
| 11:44.03 | javierHund | any reason for using qemu instead of virtualbox? |
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| 11:44.46 | kobzar | no reason... |
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| 11:45.08 | javierHund | ok. virtualbox is free. exists as package and works great for me. just saying |
| 11:45.13 | sturles | Yep. qemu may be tricky sometimes. Try virtualbox. |
| 11:45.17 | javierHund | (exists via apt that is) |
| 11:45.20 | kobzar | ok |
| 11:45.22 | javierHund | even has a nice ui |
| 11:45.26 | javierHund | to configure the machine |
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| 11:45.38 | dlclassic | yeah virtualbox is pretty good |
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| 11:45.54 | kobzar | with versin virtualbox used ? virtualbox or virtualbox-ose ? |
| 11:46.01 | javierHund | ose |
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| 11:46.14 | javierHund | i think virtualbox-ose package just has "more" stuff |
| 11:46.17 | javierHund | but not sure :) |
| 11:46.19 | dlclassic | so no one uses xinitrc? |
| 11:46.23 | javierHund | virtualbox might be a metapackage |
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| 11:57.51 | kobzar | dlclassic i am use xinitrc |
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| 11:59.28 | kobzar | when i try install vbox-ose i have e error "Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!" |
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| 12:06.10 | abrotman | kobzar: did you compile the dkms module for your kernel ? |
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| 12:43.32 | stratoka | file:///home/stratoka/Dropbox/Linux/Openbox/tint2rc |
| 12:43.38 | stratoka | sorry |
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| 12:45.10 | Deele | hello, I need a little help |
| 12:45.26 | Deele | I need to move my debian server from one box to another |
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| 12:45.39 | Deele | all hardware will differ from previous |
| 12:46.10 | Deele | my question is, will it mangage to work if I just plug-in HDD? |
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| 12:46.23 | Deele | I have never done this with any unix |
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| 12:47.52 | Deele | anyone? |
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| 12:48.31 | Jaleks | i'd say it should work if the processor type (32<->64 bit, i386<->sparc etc.) is the same, and it did work for me several times; but this without any guarantee or you particular case. |
| 12:48.39 | kesroesweyth | Deele It depends on the two systems specific hardware configuration |
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| 12:49.02 | Deele | what could fail? I will now clone HDD and try it |
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| 12:49.46 | kesroesweyth | Deele anything *could* fail. I think Jaleks mentioned the most important consideration |
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| 12:50.39 | abrotman | i386 is like sparc ? |
| 12:50.40 | kesroesweyth | I will say that I've pretty successfully migrated from an HP desktop to an IBM desktop, both running Intel Pentium 4 processors, but otherwise very different hardware, simply by moving the hard drive from one box to another. |
| 12:50.57 | Jaleks | if the processor type is the same and the disk will be recognized at the same point (e.g. /dev/sda/) most could work out of the box. could. nothing bad should happen as you do not use the original disk, just try it out. |
| 12:50.59 | kesroesweyth | abrotman is 32 bit like 64 bit..? |
| 12:51.02 | ferni | if you plug the hard drive to another machine, network interface name will change |
| 12:51.10 | Jaleks | <-> in the meaning of versus, not the same |
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| 12:51.30 | Deele | ferni, I will need to reconfigure network |
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| 12:53.23 | Deele | they both are x64 pentiums |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | Jaleks: but i386 Debian will work on an amd64 box .. |
| 12:53.35 | Deele | so, that is not a problem |
| 12:53.52 | abrotman | Deele: you'll just have to try it and see .. generally, it should work |
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| 12:54.06 | kesroesweyth | abrotman but 64bit debian will work on an amd64 box, but not an i386.. no? |
| 12:54.08 | Deele | ok, thx |
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| 12:54.18 | abrotman | kesroesweyth: tell him, not me ? |
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| 12:55.16 | kesroesweyth | abrotman you were mentioning the compatibility between the two after Jaleks pointed out that they aren't the same |
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| 12:55.17 | Jaleks | abrotman: yes, but i for myself would recommend amd64 for amd64, though it would work |
| 12:55.39 | kesroesweyth | abrotman maybe i misunderstood your position |
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| 12:56.48 | karlpinc | Deele: If it does not come up (or even if it does) you run "update-initramfs -u" (as root) to get the right modules into the initramfs. If it won't boot you need to boot from some sort of live-cd (etc) and be in a chrooted environment -- the debian install cd in rescue mode does all the chrooting automatically. |
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| 12:57.20 | karlpinc | Deele: Otherwise see the <z70> factoid for ethN issues. |
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| 12:57.27 | karlpinc | !tell Deele about z70 |
| 12:57.36 | Deele | karlpinc, ok, I hope it won't come to that, I'm newbie in server installation, this is my first server install |
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| 13:02.46 | karlpinc | Deele: Those are the only 2 issues I know of. (Switching architecture aside.) |
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| 13:11.27 | milligan | Using rsyslogd as a centralised logging server. I have the following in /etc/rsyslog.d/10-mydev.conf: $template FileNameWise, "/var/log/wise/system-%HOSTNAME%.log" < insert break > &~ . Using tcpdump,I see the messages coming in .. However, they go to /var/log/syslog and not a pr host (ip) logfile. What have I done wrong ? |
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| 13:13.12 | milligan | errr, missing a line there. I also have :fromhost-ip,startswith, "172",FileNameWise |
| 13:13.47 | ratatata | nu |
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| 13:14.45 | CM-Pizarro | Hi all |
| 13:15.01 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
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| 13:15.23 | CM-Pizarro | I have an Ubuntu Server 8.04 running up to date, is there anyway to migrate to Debian without having to download the CD and start from scratch? I would like to do so from the console. Thanks. |
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| 13:15.36 | KaZeR_W | hi there |
| 13:15.42 | KaZeR_W | i have a quick question regarding pam, ldap and local users: i have a local account (with a local group, nagios:nagios actually), and each time the nagios user logs in, the ldap server gets requested, despite i have "files ldap" set up in my nsswitch.conf |
| 13:15.47 | KaZeR_W | how can i prevent the ldap from being queried for local users which have local groups ? |
| 13:16.00 | nsadmin | CM-Pizarro, got more disk space? |
| 13:16.22 | CM-Pizarro | Yes, there is free space in the hard disk |
| 13:16.50 | nsadmin | you can build a debian, another ubuntu or proablu any debian-based dist using debootstrap |
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| 13:17.11 | CM-Pizarro | ohh, well that will be more difficult than installing with the cd |
| 13:17.23 | nsadmin | at first, you should try to use the existing ubuntu boot loader to boot the debian |
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| 13:17.32 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 13:17.34 | nsadmin | it will? |
| 13:17.39 | nsadmin | hi, welcome to debian support |
| 13:17.45 | CM-Pizarro | I thought that probably there was a executable or something that you can download from Deboan.org and when executed form a Linux console, it would start all the process |
| 13:17.46 | nsadmin | ok |
| 13:18.00 | lancelot_of | using debian testing i'm not able to start aMule anymore. Does anyone know why? |
| 13:18.02 | nsadmin | no, doesn't work that way |
| 13:18.06 | CM-Pizarro | ok |
| 13:18.18 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
| 13:18.28 | CM-Pizarro | yes, that's why |
| 13:18.36 | CM-Pizarro | I'm connected ssh now |
| 13:19.04 | CM-Pizarro | but I can have someone to install physically a Debian cd |
| 13:19.07 | nsadmin | can you get to the remote's console? |
| 13:19.23 | CM-Pizarro | yes. SSH |
| 13:19.26 | nsadmin | will that cost you money for them to do that? |
| 13:19.31 | CM-Pizarro | no no |
| 13:19.42 | CM-Pizarro | we are two offices, in the same company, but separated by distance |
| 13:19.49 | nsadmin | well maybe the cd is easier |
| 13:19.54 | CM-Pizarro | yeah |
| 13:19.58 | nsadmin | so they would download the cd? |
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| 13:20.08 | CM-Pizarro | yes, they will burn it and install it |
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| 13:20.15 | CM-Pizarro | then give ssh |
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| 13:20.37 | CM-Pizarro | ok, thanks anyway |
| 13:20.44 | nsadmin | this is pretty far-fetched... but maybe the admin in the remote can give you a partition and you can dd the iso to it |
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| 13:20.53 | nsadmin | or something along those lines... |
| 13:21.00 | nsadmin | like to give you some references |
| 13:21.02 | CM-Pizarro | I think the cd is the easiest way |
| 13:21.11 | nsadmin | ok |
| 13:21.16 | CM-Pizarro | just wanted to see if there was a shorter way or something |
| 13:21.33 | nsadmin | have you seen the install guide? |
| 13:21.40 | cusco_ | Yes, use the cd, tell them to install no packages, and in the end, tell them to login and: apt-get install ssh |
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| 13:22.09 | CM-Pizarro | yes, that's right |
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| 13:22.20 | CM-Pizarro | I've installed Debian before, the problem is that they have Ubuntu Server 8.04 |
| 13:22.22 | nsadmin | cusco's sounds good to me too... you'll have just enough debian to install more debian |
| 13:22.24 | CM-Pizarro | which died |
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| 13:22.40 | nsadmin | died? how? |
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| 13:22.42 | CM-Pizarro | it has been working great, but they need to install libssl > 1.0 which is not avialable |
| 13:22.45 | cusco_ | I do that too, and I always, go step by step over the phone with them |
| 13:22.54 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 13:23.03 | CM-Pizarro | nsadmin: no more updates, the branch is no longer maintained |
| 13:23.10 | CM-Pizarro | that's what I hate of Ubuntu |
| 13:23.13 | nsadmin | cusco_, does that cost you money? :) |
| 13:23.22 | cusco_ | nsadmin: no, phone is voip |
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| 13:23.33 | doki_pen | when I do apt-get source <pkg>, it applies patches. Where can I find those patches? Basically, I'd like to apply them to a newer version of a library, then build a deb with fpm. If anyone has a better idea, I'm all ears. |
| 13:23.44 | nsadmin | no I mean having the admin pull consultant duty |
| 13:24.04 | nsadmin | doki_pen, look in debian dir |
| 13:24.32 | cusco_ | nsadmin: its in our (as a company) best interest to install debian in somemachine, then they'll do it. its not like a department is going to charge another one... orso... |
| 13:24.35 | cusco_ | atleast with us |
| 13:24.41 | doki_pen | nsadmin: thanks |
| 13:24.49 | nsadmin | did you find it? |
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| 13:25.23 | doki_pen | nsadmin: not yet |
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| 13:26.09 | nsadmin | so you did apt-get source something, in what dir? |
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| 13:26.24 | nsadmin | /home/doki_pen? |
| 13:26.30 | doki_pen | nsadmin: i see it now |
| 13:26.33 | doki_pen | thanks |
| 13:26.38 | nsadmin | np :) |
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| 13:28.33 | nsadmin | doki_pen, this may or may not assist you for next time... before I apt-get source something, I'll mkdir something-wrk ; cd something-wrk |
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| 13:29.01 | nsadmin | one benefit, anything the build produces will appear in that dir |
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| 13:29.29 | doki_pen | nsadmin: yeah, I did that |
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| 13:29.41 | nsadmin | cool :) |
| 13:30.03 | doki_pen | nsadmin: i just didn't know you meant debian dir inside the package. I thought maybe it was a piece of software or something :P |
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| 13:30.45 | nsadmin | doki_pen, yeah, that's the dir that contains rules and control |
| 13:31.06 | doki_pen | is there some doc I can read on how things get built? |
| 13:31.07 | nsadmin | I almost never use dpkg-buildpackage... instead, |
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| 13:31.30 | doki_pen | nsadmin: because, basically I'd like to replace the source tarball |
| 13:31.39 | nsadmin | doki_pen, that's a large, wide, deep, thick forest... sure you wanna go there? :) |
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| 13:31.49 | doki_pen | no, not sure |
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| 13:32.25 | nsadmin | well ok, there is a new maintaner's guide, within which is a packaging manual |
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| 13:32.57 | nsadmin | the former may be of some interest, the packaging manual is probaly what you want to at least browse |
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| 13:35.42 | abrotman | doki_pen: replace why? |
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| 13:36.50 | lancelot_of | no answer for me? |
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| 13:37.41 | abrotman | looks for a question |
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| 13:40.12 | haylo | oh no dont +q me. especially with all of my questions you try to answer |
| 13:40.29 | haylo | im really going to miss out on the wisdom today |
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| 13:41.04 | lancelot_of | using debian testing i'm not able to start aMule anymore. Does anyone know why? |
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| 13:41.59 | bwf | ? |
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| 13:44.39 | abrotman | lancelot_of: tried to trace or look for error logs ? |
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| 13:45.38 | mimoid | This command gives an output of the first file in the cwd as the separator rather than a space as wanted by using echo. Why is that? |
| 13:45.41 | mimoid | file -N -F `echo ' '` * | grep -i ascii |
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| 13:45.55 | mimoid | I know file is done by some bsd people but it seems to have some additions by debian and is maintained by it |
| 13:46.35 | seicherlbob | I'm trying to install wheezy on a USB flash drive using the netinstaller, but it does not recognize the drive and asks me to choose a driver. can someone help me? |
| 13:47.43 | lancelot_of | sudo apt-get install aMule: amule : Dipends: libupnp6 (>= 1:1.6.13) but is not going to be installed E: Impossible to correct problems, some damaged packages blocked |
| 13:48.11 | lancelot_of | abrotman, ^^ |
| 13:48.54 | themill | lancelot_of: please use a pastebin and show the full output; also "/msg dpkg bat" and provide the additional things suggested |
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| 13:50.29 | mimoid | oh i figure it out. -0 for \O char |
| 13:50.39 | doki_pen | abrotman: because I want a newer version of a package. monit to be exact |
| 13:52.22 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180303/ |
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| 13:53.27 | abrotman | judd: versions amule |
| 13:53.27 | themill | lancelot_of: try using aptitude rather than apt-get as it least provides better error messages; "apt-cache policy libupnp6" would be good to see to |
| 13:53.28 | judd | Package: amule on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; sid: 2.3.1-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-8 |
| 13:53.34 | abrotman | doki_pen: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 13:54.27 | abrotman | lancelot_of: make darn sure you've done your apg-et update |
| 13:54.41 | lancelot_of | abrotman, done |
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| 13:55.28 | lancelot_of | themill, http://paste.debian.net/180304/ |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | lancelot_of: then you've done something wrong, the version in wheezy is 1.6.17 .... clearly high enough |
| 13:55.46 | abrotman | lancelot_of: apt-cache policy libupnp6 ? |
| 13:55.53 | lancelot_of | abrotman, ^^ |
| 13:56.00 | doki_pen | abrotman: I don't know what that means, is dpkg a bot? |
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| 13:56.57 | brokencycle | Hi! |
| 13:57.01 | dvs | dpkg: what are you |
| 13:57.01 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 13:58.09 | doki_pen | judd: versions monit |
| 13:58.11 | judd | Package: monit on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.10.1-4; squeeze: 1:5.1.1-1; sid: 1:5.4-2; wheezy: 1:5.4-2 |
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| 14:01.34 | lancelot_of | abrotman, what to do? |
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| 14:04.13 | JordiGH | A while ago I had to install Acrobat Reader for some stupid government form. I uninstalled it, but it still shows up as the default PDF application in Iceweasel. Any idea how to purge that? |
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| 14:07.47 | ksk | JordiGH: iirc iceweasel uses its builtin rules for stuff like that |
| 14:07.58 | ksk | (which you can change) |
| 14:08.19 | abrotman | lancelot_of: did you paste the apt-cache policy ? |
| 14:08.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: just make it something else |
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| 14:11.03 | JordiGH | abrotman: How do I make it something else? |
| 14:11.08 | JordiGH | ksk: Where are those builtin rules? |
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| 14:14.25 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... how can i tell aptitude to remove a package with all its dependencies ? |
| 14:15.09 | ectospasm | I'm trying to force my local sid system to avoid downloading a bunch of i18n Translation-files I don't want or won't use... I've set Acquire::Languages { "en"; "none"; }; in apt.conf, but it keeps trying to download the unwanted translations anyway |
| 14:15.49 | ectospasm | I've set my local mirror to only download Translation-en, so the local aptitude will never find the missing translation files... |
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| 14:16.50 | namoamitabuddha | Does the debian installer support for the alignment of partitions? |
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| 14:19.52 | abrotman | lancelot_of: i don't see your URL |
| 14:20.05 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180304/ |
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| 14:20.28 | xgl__ | re |
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| 14:21.02 | abrotman | lancelot_of: and if you try to install thgat package ? |
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| 14:21.35 | computron | hey guys trying to get a command to launch prior to login where do i do that? |
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| 14:22.25 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180313/ but i don't want to remove all those packages |
| 14:22.48 | ectospasm | computron: run once at boot? quick and dirty: /etc/rc.local |
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| 14:24.25 | abrotman | lancelot_of: when's the last time you did a full dist-upgrade ? |
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| 14:25.15 | lancelot_of | abrotman, today afternoon |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | lancelot_of: show us the output of `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade` |
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| 14:25.43 | lancelot_of | abrotman, but i've the proble with amule since a lot of months |
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| 14:26.57 | Brustofski-Fan | How do you make the windows stack like there doing in this bebian wheezy youtube video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUBKKCal3rA |
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| 14:27.43 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180315/ |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | lancelot_of: your system is mildly out of date .. |
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| 14:28.31 | abrotman | lancelot_of: what if you 'aptitude install amule' ? |
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| 14:29.47 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180316/ still, i don't want to remove all those packages |
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| 14:30.23 | abrotman | lancelot_of: what if you `aptitude install kde-full` ? |
| 14:30.26 | lancelot_of | abrotman, maybe changing wheezy ftp server may help? |
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| 14:30.47 | brokencycle | My Emacs (on testing) always starts partially off-screen if I say something like "emacs -geometry 80x24-0-0". How can I fix this, short of specifying a positive positioning (+x+y) instead? |
| 14:31.19 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180317/ |
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| 14:32.17 | abrotman | lancelot_of: eh .. moment |
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| 14:39.21 | abrotman | lancelot_of: aptitude why-not libupnp |
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| 14:42.41 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:42.50 | abrotman | fail ? |
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| 14:43.17 | lancelot_of | abrotman, (impossible to find a reson for which to remove libupnp6) |
| 14:43.23 | lancelot_of | abrotman, yes |
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| 14:44.28 | abrotman | lancelot_of: paste 'cat /etc/apt/sources/list;apt-cache policy" |
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| 14:45.34 | lancelot_of | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/180322/ |
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| 14:46.06 | abrotman | ugh ... |
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| 14:46.28 | abrotman | can you undo the pinning and remove the experiemntal sources |
| 14:46.32 | dvs | !coffee abrotman |
| 14:46.32 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for abrotman, courtesy of dvs |
| 14:46.55 | abrotman | lancelot_of: did you install KDE from experimental ? |
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| 14:47.07 | lancelot_of | abrotman, no, from debian repos |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | yes, i see that one is for DMM |
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| 14:47.58 | PizarroNET | Hi all |
| 14:48.19 | lancelot_of | abrotman, removed experimental in sources.list |
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| 14:48.41 | lancelot_of | abrotman, now only debian testing repo is present |
| 14:48.43 | abrotman | lancelot_of: if this were my box, i'd install a second WM .. install amule, let it remove kde, then try to install kde again |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | something smells of out-of-date |
| 14:49.11 | lancelot_of | ok i'm going to do so |
| 14:49.16 | lancelot_of | thank you |
| 14:49.31 | PizarroNET | I'm trying to install Gluster in Debian, and it fails due dependency problems. It needs package libssl1.0.0, but when I do an apt-cache search libssl only libssl0.9.8 is available. I'm in a Debian server 6.0.5, any clue? thanks |
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| 14:54.35 | namoamitabuddha | When partitioning? |
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| 14:56.01 | Richlv | any experts on http://lintian.debian.org/tags/hyphen-used-as-minus-sign.html ? supposedly it only barks on single, whitespace prefixed dashes, although i couldn't find any docs supporting such an approach. so should all dashes be prefixed or only single white-space prefixed ones ? :) |
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| 15:01.36 | CM-Pizarro | so libssl1.0.0 is not available in Debian squeezze??? |
| 15:01.39 | peterrooney | Richlv: Not an expert, but from reading that page, it seems like "all", and jeepers, typesetting what people type should NOT be that hard. |
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| 15:01.58 | danols_work | hi team |
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| 15:02.01 | CM-Pizarro | How can I install it, apt-cache only shows libssl0.9.8 |
| 15:02.07 | peterrooney | as in, do you mean a dash, a hyphen, or a minus sign? |
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| 15:02.24 | CM-Pizarro | however wheezy and sid have it |
| 15:02.37 | kesroesweyth | CM-Pizarro does it show if you do aptitude search libssl? |
| 15:02.38 | CM-Pizarro | Newver version of the OS has older version of the lib ¿? |
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| 15:02.42 | peterrooney | ,versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 15:02.43 | judd | Package: libssl0.9.8 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze12; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13 |
| 15:02.49 | CM-Pizarro | that shows |
| 15:02.50 | CM-Pizarro | I need libssl1.0.0 |
| 15:02.55 | CM-Pizarro | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libssl1.0.0 |
| 15:02.55 | namoamitabuddha | What about the partitioning tool in debian-installer? |
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| 15:03.51 | namoamitabuddha | How to set the alignment size? |
| 15:03.55 | CM-Pizarro | .versions libssl1.0.0 |
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| 15:04.16 | nyuszika7h | ,versions libssl1.0.0 |
| 15:04.17 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- sid: 1.0.1c-3; wheezy: 1.0.1c-3 |
| 15:04.23 | CM-Pizarro | you see? |
| 15:04.27 | danols_work | I have https://www.bar.com and plain http://www.foo.com setup on same apache instance, but now if I type https://www.foo.com a SSL warning is shown and site www.bar.com is loaded |
| 15:04.29 | danols_work | how to prvent that ? |
| 15:04.33 | nyuszika7h | !tell CM-Pizarro about ssb |
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| 15:05.45 | CM-Pizarro | I don't understand |
| 15:06.06 | russki | Looking for some resources to help me better understand unix/linux in general. Working on my first website with django and I'm having problems understanding apache and the general unix way of life. any suggestions? |
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| 15:07.08 | Richlv | peterrooney, after reading all the possible manpages and other resources, i would also lean towards "all", but supposedly the lintian check only verifies a very, very small subset of those |
| 15:07.21 | Richlv | so either manpages and other resources are horribly lacking info, or that test is broken |
| 15:07.33 | CM-Pizarro | so why the latest stable version has older lib version than older stable os versions?? |
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| 15:07.57 | Richlv | i'm wondering whether the author of that check by any chance could be in here :) |
| 15:07.58 | Rox64 | What do you mean, CM-Pizarro? |
| 15:08.27 | boudiccas | russki: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:08.38 | peterrooney | Richlv: technically, it's not the test that's broken, just the assumption that all people who write documentation are knowledgeable typesetters. |
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| 15:09.09 | CM-Pizarro | Nothing |
| 15:09.11 | ultrav1olet | how can I disable ipv6 in debian? |
| 15:09.25 | CM-Pizarro | Basically a Debian stable distro doesn't have avialable libssl1.0 |
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| 15:09.38 | ultrav1olet | blacklist ipv6; alias ipv6 off; alias net-pf-10 off - all didn't help |
| 15:09.44 | namoamitabuddha | No body knowing partitioning? |
| 15:09.46 | russki | I have VMPlayer running 6.0.5 |
| 15:09.48 | Richlv | peterrooney, i'd agree, but i'm not ready to change world on this one just yet, i just want to do the correct thing according to current situation :) |
| 15:09.52 | Rox64 | Maybe it wasn't available when Debian Squeeze was frozen. |
| 15:09.55 | peterrooney | Richlv: If I had to call it, I'd say it's braindamage in groff. |
| 15:09.55 | ultrav1olet | I added them to the /etc/modprobe.d/disableipv6.conf file |
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| 15:10.03 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: it's not available now |
| 15:10.08 | ultrav1olet | debian 6.0 here |
| 15:10.10 | namoamitabuddha | awful |
| 15:10.30 | CM-Pizarro | 6.0.5 here |
| 15:10.39 | CM-Pizarro | apt-cache search libssl |
| 15:10.42 | russki | I'm trying to wrap my head around apache and how to set it up and the like, and I am looking for some resource to better understand it (aside from the documentation) |
| 15:10.43 | peterrooney | Richlv: the current situation is, correctness requires carefully using \- instead of - |
| 15:10.44 | Rox64 | Of course it's not available now, when Testing is frozen it won't have new packages. |
| 15:10.52 | CM-Pizarro | libssl0.9.8 - SSL shared libraries |
| 15:11.13 | boudiccas | russki: thanks, just checking :), have you googled for it? |
| 15:11.20 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: so which one is not under testing? |
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| 15:11.24 | Richlv | peterrooney, but if that's required everywhere, is the lintian check indeed so badly broken ? |
| 15:11.40 | Richlv | because i saw lots of packages escaping only those specific dashes |
| 15:11.40 | Rox64 | Mmmm |
| 15:11.44 | russki | yeah, but I am trying to find some book or site that helps explain it in a broader sense.. |
| 15:12.00 | russki | understanding the lingo and such.. I have very little unix background, if at all |
| 15:12.10 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: I've installed the latest stable one provided by Debian.org |
| 15:12.48 | Rox64 | CM-Pizarro, when Debian Testing is frozen, it won't receive new packages. |
| 15:13.01 | Rox64 | Unless it's necesary. |
| 15:13.03 | boudiccas | russki: linux is not unix, its descended from it but is changed. google for 'apache tutorial linux' and i bet you get loads of hits |
| 15:13.05 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: but what does that mean (frozen)???? |
| 15:13.07 | mtn | CM-Pizarro, once debian stable is released it doesn't get newer versions of software |
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| 15:13.21 | Richlv | peterrooney, so given that i don't want to simply silence the warning, i have to find out what is correct (and if the check is wrong, preferably get it fixed) |
| 15:13.24 | Rox64 | Ok, I will explain it |
| 15:13.26 | CM-Pizarro | mtn: so how you move on to new pachages? |
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| 15:13.33 | Rox64 | Debian has three main versions. |
| 15:13.37 | CM-Pizarro | ok |
| 15:13.47 | mtn | CM-Pizarro, they already told you, you can do a backport |
| 15:13.48 | Rox64 | One of then is Debian Stable. It's the official version. |
| 15:13.58 | Richlv | i feel that author[s] of that lintian check might be a very good starting point |
| 15:14.01 | Rox64 | Then you have Testing, which is going to be the next stable version. |
| 15:14.13 | CM-Pizarro | ok |
| 15:14.13 | mtn | !tell CM-Pizarro about ssb |
| 15:14.19 | Rox64 | And then you have Sid, which means "Still In Development", and it's the name of a character of Toy Story. |
| 15:14.24 | russki | boudiccas: I suppose that would help. I understand their relationship, I was just hoping someone could poing me in the right direction so I know where to begin learning the foundation and such, not just specific problems |
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| 15:14.31 | Rox64 | You have old-stable and experimental too. |
| 15:14.40 | CM-Pizarro | ok, so Stable, Testting and Sid |
| 15:14.50 | Rox64 | Yeah. |
| 15:14.51 | tgs3 | how to move /boot from sda1 to usb key sde1 ? |
| 15:15.02 | Rox64 | Testing, as I have said, is going to be the next stable version. |
| 15:15.04 | tgs3 | how to move boot and mbr /boot from sda1 to usb key sde1 ? so that is still works and boots from the usb |
| 15:15.08 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: ok so the one I downloaded is Stable right? |
| 15:15.21 | Rox64 | 6.0.5 is the stable version, yes. |
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| 15:15.55 | Rox64 | Debian 7, codenamed Wheezy, is the current Testing version, and it has been frozen on June 30. |
| 15:15.58 | bolt | Rox64: i don't think sid officially stands for "still in development". that's just a "backronym" or whatever you want to call it. |
| 15:16.05 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: ok, so I thought that in Debian when a new package is released (version) automatically becomes available for all the branch, which allows you to have the same installation as long as you do all th updates and upgrades |
| 15:16.14 | Rox64 | No, Pizarro. |
| 15:16.15 | computron | ok i dropped the app to run at rc.local and it seems that the file executes and then the system just hangs there it executes the program but i can not do anything else afterwards. |
| 15:16.23 | russki | boudiccas: for example, I have to look up most every command at this point to move/delete files on Debain, I would like to know these things and how it works in general.. the 'lingo' such as bootloader, bin ect. |
| 15:16.24 | CM-Pizarro | however what you are saying sounds a little bit Ubuntu…that forces you to move to a new version from time to time |
| 15:16.31 | Rox64 | Not really, Pizarro. |
| 15:16.36 | Rox64 | Debian Stable has backports. |
| 15:17.00 | CM-Pizarro | What are backports? |
| 15:17.08 | Rox64 | The backports repository has some newer packages that can be included on Debian Squeeze without fucking up dependencies. |
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| 15:17.14 | mtn | CM-Pizarro, we already told you twice :) |
| 15:17.33 | CM-Pizarro | mtn: and I responded twice to the dcc chat saying that I don't understand the text |
| 15:17.46 | Rox64 | For example, you can have newer releases of Iceweasel (Debian's name for Firefox) on Debian Squeeze. |
| 15:17.51 | mtn | CM-Pizarro, well, no one can help with that :) |
| 15:17.52 | Rox64 | Thanks to the backports repository. |
| 15:18.04 | Rox64 | But the backports repository only has a limited ammount of packages. |
| 15:18.08 | CM-Pizarro | Rox64: is there any tutorial or something about back ports? |
| 15:18.08 | boudiccas | russki: are you using a desktop environmnet like gnome, kde, etc? they will hav etools which make it easier to do things. i use gnome with konqueror [from kde] very easily to delete files and create them |
| 15:18.20 | Rox64 | Yeah. Let me google it. |
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| 15:19.33 | Rox64 | One note through. Backports packages haven't been as tested as the packages available on Stable. But in my experience even Sid can be stable if you know what are you doing. |
| 15:19.49 | russki | boudiccas: Yes, I do. However, I am looking for some recommended resources to help me understand linux at a deeper level, and hopefully along the way understand apache and the like, to complement my programming.. so I can deploy my own website I have been working on |
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| 15:20.01 | Rox64 | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:20.31 | CM-Pizarro | moving to Ubuntu |
| 15:20.33 | CM-Pizarro | thanks anyway |
| 15:20.37 | CM-Pizarro | best regards |
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| 15:21.10 | boudiccas | russki: i dont know any resources, but if its something i dont know but want to know i try goggling first and read up on some wiki pages or tutorials |
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| 15:22.01 | boudiccas | googling |
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| 15:22.42 | russki | boudiccas: Thanks for your help. I've been down that road, unfortunately most of the things I find on there aren't directed towards what I am looking for (they aren't all inclusive and don't explain everything, such as specific meanings and such). Suppose I will try somewhere else. thanks again though |
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| 15:27.11 | killermoehre | hi. I want to repackage a closed source software for my company from rpm to deb. I extracted all the files I need and set up a config script for postinst. The package builds fine, but the postinst is executed before the needed executable is in place. any advice? |
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| 15:28.11 | Rox64 | I think you can use "alien", but I have never used it. |
| 15:28.21 | jelly | ,v firmware-bnx2 --arch amd64 |
| 15:28.22 | judd | Package: firmware-bnx2 on amd64 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.36; wheezy/non-free: 0.36 |
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| 15:29.14 | killermoehre | Rox64: alien is not a solution, because even the rpm is packed in a bash script |
| 15:29.23 | Julien_D | Hi there. I tried to get the public key for http://archive.debian.org "sudo gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key AED4B06F473041FA" but it doesn't work. The command ends with "keyserver timed out". Seems to be a network problem ? Is there a solution to download this key without using the shell ? From a web browser ? |
| 15:29.47 | Rox64 | Dunno then, killermoehre. |
| 15:30.28 | Pryon | that key ID looks pretty long |
| 15:30.50 | killermoehre | no way to say dpkg to first unpack and than running postinst? |
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| 15:33.31 | Pryon | Julien_D: Try without the --keyserver argument. |
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| 15:34.54 | boudiccas | dont you get the key with apt-get? i dont know, i'm just asking |
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| 15:40.39 | baronobeefdip | hey i'm trying to build a beowulf cluster and i need to know how to put in the nodes |
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| 15:41.08 | baronobeefdip | i already have debian installed on everything including the master, since this is only an experiment i'll only have 2 nodes and a master server |
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| 15:43.15 | sney | there's a beowulf cluster howto on tldp.org, I think. it's pretty old but it should be possible to update it |
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| 15:43.55 | killermoehre | baronobeefdip: why beowulf and not ha-linux? |
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| 15:45.42 | Richlv | killermoehre, because of the slashdot meme, maybe |
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| 15:45.45 | baronobeefdip | hello is anyone here |
| 15:45.51 | Benkinooby | hi does anyone here know a channel where i can ask mips assembler questions? |
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| 15:49.07 | abrotman | Benkinooby: i think there's a #mpiusp-linux |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 15:49.15 | abrotman | #mips-linux |
| 15:50.21 | Benkinooby | abrotman, it's pretty empty there |
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| 15:51.45 | abrotman | okay |
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| 15:52.37 | boudiccas | Benkinooby: hang about and keep asking your questions, sooner or later someone should answer |
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| 15:52.51 | trismarck | hi, does anyone happen to have a Natec Medusa keyboard? |
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| 15:53.52 | Benkinooby | boudiccas, i am the only one in #mips #mips-linux... there is one other person in #assembler |
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| 15:54.01 | Benkinooby | two, sorry |
| 15:54.13 | jesseangell | Is there some recommended standard path for virtual hosts on the debian apache2 package? |
| 15:54.47 | boudiccas | Benkinooby: in which case i would send an email to the debian users list and ask there |
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| 15:56.03 | killermoehre | jesseangell: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 15:56.49 | jesseangell | killermoehre: thanks I thought about doing that. just feels kind of awkward since the root host has /var/www |
| 15:57.13 | killermoehre | jesseangell: than put it in /var/www |
| 15:57.22 | killermoehre | it's your decision |
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| 15:57.33 | jesseangell | well i'd rather the root host not have access to it at all |
| 15:57.38 | jesseangell | and the way it's setup by default makes that kind of awkward |
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| 16:04.32 | boudiccas | jesseangell: root will always have access to it, thats just the way linux works |
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| 16:04.43 | jesseangell | boudiccas: ..no not root. the default webroot |
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| 16:05.33 | jesseangell | boudiccas: Unless I go and blow away the 000-default file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled any traffic coming in on port 80 without a Host specified (ala http 1.0) would have access to the site via http://127.0.0.1/website.com/index.html |
| 16:05.46 | jesseangell | boudiccas: if i created a /var/www/website.com |
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| 16:06.01 | jesseangell | boudiccas: seems dirty |
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| 16:12.36 | loome_ | hey |
| 16:12.47 | loome_ | small question: how do I delete until a backspace in bash readline? |
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| 16:13.20 | loome_ | so, if I've typed up something like /path/to/this/file, what shortcut do I use so that I only delete up to /path/to/this/? |
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| 16:14.28 | boudiccas | loome_: use the backspace key, or haven't i understood what you're wanting? you could try asking in #bash |
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| 16:14.45 | nkuttler | loome_: yeah, #bash. or use vim mode and v |
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| 16:19.04 | no_gravity | Hello Everybody! Strange, when I have an SSH session open in a terminal and that terminal sends a lot of text (output of apt-get install gnome-core) my whole machine becomes unbearable slow. Even when I have the terminal minimized. Any idea why? |
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| 16:23.28 | MO_Handes | what is this error I get when I try to mount and open my external hard drive with nautilus? Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 16:23.30 | MO_Handes | Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE |
| 16:23.30 | MO_Handes | library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated |
| 16:23.30 | MO_Handes | FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at |
| 16:23.30 | MO_Handes | http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 16:25.36 | jhutchins_wk | Wow. Full explanation with references, and we get asked what it means. |
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| 16:29.23 | MO_Handes | touchpad tapping does not work on my newly installed wheezy |
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| 16:30.56 | leo-unglaub | hey, do any of you know when the 3.5 kernel will be available in debian? there is a bugfix in it for multiple monitors with i really would need |
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| 16:32.48 | sney | leo-unglaub: development focus right now is on bug fixes for the 7.0 release, but 3.5 might make it into experimental during that time anyway... difficult to say |
| 16:32.59 | frostschutz | leo-unglaub: if in doubt, build it yourself :D |
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| 16:33.28 | sney | leo-unglaub: if the bug fix is documented and you can reproduce it, make sure there's a bug filed on the debian bts and the fix may be backported to 3.2 for the release |
| 16:34.11 | leo-unglaub | frostschutz: i am not quite sure if i am skilled enought to do that. |
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| 16:34.25 | sney | !kernel handbook |
| 16:34.25 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ , packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Wheezy) serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
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| 16:34.48 | sney | leo-unglaub: ^ also contains instructions for building from kernel.org. it's really quite easy. |
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| 16:36.04 | leo-unglaub | sney: hmm, i will give it a try in a virtual maschine. |
| 16:36.08 | leo-unglaub | thanks |
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| 16:52.06 | intore | hi, please could you help installing the correct driver for a wifi card broadcom bcm4312 without internet connection? i downloaded "firmware-b43-lpphy-installer" but the installation using dpkg -i gives me the error: wget: unable to resolve host address “downloads.openwrt.org” that's normal without connection. |
| 16:52.54 | n-iCe | intore: http://wiki.debian.org/wl/ |
| 16:53.21 | n-iCe | intore: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 16:53.57 | intore | i have seen it n-iCe, many times |
| 16:54.06 | intore | it doesnt run |
| 16:54.10 | intore | it doesn't run |
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| 16:55.06 | sney | intore: maybe unpack the .deb, see what it's downloading from where and download it yourself |
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| 16:55.53 | intore | good sney, i try |
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| 17:00.04 | intore | sney, could you help to find where what it wants download? |
| 17:01.21 | stat1x | Does anyone know if it is possible to reset the counters shown by `netstat -s`? |
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| 17:01.34 | sney | when you unpack a .deb with ar x foo.deb, it gives you two tar.gz files. one of them, control.tar.gz, contains the scripts 'postinst' 'postrm' etc... one of the 'inst' scripts is what's running to download the file |
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| 17:03.16 | intore | sney, i found this one in postinst file: http://paste.debian.net/180336/ |
| 17:03.33 | sney | yes, that's it |
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| 17:04.27 | intore | well, am downloading it, after that where i'll put it? |
| 17:04.58 | leo-unglaub | intore: it doesn't matter |
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| 17:05.04 | leo-unglaub | put it in a temp dir |
| 17:05.05 | sney | all of that information is in the package somewhere. I suggest you read. |
| 17:05.14 | leo-unglaub | and execute the following lines in the paste |
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| 17:07.51 | intore | am sorry, i don't understand. i unpacked the archive. my problem is on another partition so i have to install the firmware on the other partition. where i'll put this file? |
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| 17:09.44 | sney | intore: download the tarball and b43-fwcutter if you don't have it, put them where your debian user can access them, boot into debian and unpack the tarball and run b43-fwcutter on the file it says. I'm pretty sure it installs to /lib/firmware but you should probably look that up. |
| 17:11.04 | intore | sney, thanks, i reboot and i go on the other partition |
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| 17:11.20 | krababbe1 | To change the settings for a Wacom tablet, should I just edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-wacom.conf ? Or can I create another one? |
| 17:11.51 | sney | krababbe1: just edit |
| 17:12.11 | krababbe1 | sney: thanks! |
| 17:12.46 | Myrtti | krababbe1: create a backup copy somewhere first ;-) |
| 17:12.59 | krababbe1 | OK, won't this be overwritten on updates? |
| 17:13.01 | sney | it doesn't actually make a difference, as X will parse any .conf files in that directory, but if I was using a wacom tablet I'd try to keep all the settings in one place. simpler that way. |
| 17:13.25 | sney | if any package owns that file, it'll ask you to overwrite/ignore/compare when the new version comes |
| 17:13.44 | krababbe1 | OK, thanks a lot. |
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| 17:15.07 | krababbe1 | The linuxwacom wiki I just found says that for userspecific settings /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ should be used. I will do that then. |
| 17:16.01 | sney | oh dang I didn't even notice that you said /usr/share |
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| 17:16.54 | krababbe1 | :) yes |
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| 17:17.17 | dendazen | guys to convert deb package into rpm? |
| 17:17.23 | dendazen | Is it pain in the butt? |
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| 17:17.49 | boudiccas | dendazen: why would we do that, we use deb packages all the time, not rpm's |
| 17:18.06 | sney | dendazen: you can use 'alien' to go deb-rpm or rpm-deb that but it breaks often. better to package things natively than convert |
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| 17:20.35 | dendazen | yeah the thig is |
| 17:20.43 | dendazen | i like to build packages myself |
| 17:20.57 | dendazen | but i do not like to build R CRAN packages |
| 17:21.06 | dendazen | which is major pain. |
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| 17:21.50 | boudiccas | dendazen: try asking in #rhel or #centos, or a channel applicable to the new disto |
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| 17:23.18 | ellic | Rest In Peace Steam Summer Sale. |
| 17:23.33 | ellic | Wallets everywhere sigh in relief. |
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| 17:23.55 | johndoe | can i have gnome2 in wheezy? |
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| 17:24.05 | n-iCe | johndoe: why not? |
| 17:24.24 | sney | johndoe: unfortunately not. we do have gnome-fallback though |
| 17:24.39 | johndoe | gnome-fallback? ill google that |
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| 17:24.46 | n-iCe | I know that gnome-session-fallback is a kind of little solution |
| 17:24.47 | johndoe | sney: what about http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 17:24.49 | sney | johndoe: cinnamon will probably make it into sid in a little while, and that should be installable or possible to backport to wheezy when it happens |
| 17:25.11 | johndoe | sney: can i get gnome2 in wheezy using snapshot.debian.org? |
| 17:25.23 | sney | johndoe: compatibility nightmares. since wheezy is on gnome3/gtk3, gnome2 would need *everything* rebuilt and installed |
| 17:26.02 | sney | in the meantime there's also xfce4 |
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| 17:26.39 | johndoe | i think ill reinstall squeeze and keep it for years to come |
| 17:26.46 | intore | sney, am not able. i put the file broadcom-wl-4.178.10.4.tar.bz2 on the desktop of the other partition, i run the command "dpkg -i firmwareb43-lpphy" but it stopped always searching on line the broadcom file |
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| 17:30.46 | sney | intore: what? you have to do what the script said, not keep trying to install the package.... the package does not know you downloaded anything |
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| 17:31.15 | sney | [11:09] <sney> intore: download the tarball and b43-fwcutter if you don't have it, put them where your debian user can access them, boot into debian and unpack the tarball and run b43-fwcutter on the file it says. I'm pretty sure it installs to /lib/firmware but you should probably look that up. |
| 17:31.28 | sney | intore: ^ I don't see anything about "dpkg -i" in my instructions. |
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| 17:32.38 | intore | sney, i downloaded the broadcom-wl-4.178.10.4.tar.bz2 and i put it on the other partition where i'haven't internet connection. i don't understand what must to do |
| 17:33.10 | sney | intore: do you remember this paste you showed me? http://paste.debian.net/180336/ |
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| 17:33.21 | sney | intore: it is a list of commands. |
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| 17:33.53 | sney | intore: the only thing you need to figure out is what $FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR should be. |
| 17:33.56 | intore | sney, where do i have to run these commands? |
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| 17:34.20 | sney | in your home directory, whatever, it does not matter except $FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR |
| 17:34.35 | sney | all those commands do is prepare the firmware file for you to use. |
| 17:35.45 | intore | sney, do i have to run wget .... from my home? |
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| 17:36.02 | sney | intore: no, because you already downloaded the file.... please, be logical about this |
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| 17:36.18 | DammitJim | is there a good book that explains cross compiling stuff? |
| 17:36.22 | intore | sney, am not understanding nothing |
| 17:36.29 | DammitJim | I'm trying to cross compile an app I wrote in C that uses openssl |
| 17:36.35 | intore | am sorry |
| 17:36.41 | DammitJim | and I have cross compiled openssl (or so I think)( |
| 17:36.48 | sney | intore: maybe try in #debian-it |
| 17:36.51 | DammitJim | but I'm having a hard time getting my app to compile properly using those libraries |
| 17:37.13 | intore | sney, is not a language problem |
| 17:37.27 | intore | is about the operations to do |
| 17:37.27 | sney | if you say so. |
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| 17:37.43 | sney | I have told you what to do, and you can read very clearly what to do. I will not do it for you. |
| 17:38.08 | sney | if you try something and it does not work, it will not break your computer. |
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| 17:38.58 | intore | sney, well. still not understand. thanks anyway |
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| 17:40.09 | DammitJim | !cross-compiling |
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| 17:50.43 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade Python to 3.2 from sid but I'm running into lots of dependency issues. Is there any way to tell aptitude to keep trying until it finds a solution with few or no package removals? |
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| 17:50.54 | nyuszika7h | (2.6.6 -> 3.2) |
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| 17:51.25 | nyuszika7h | It's really annoying to have to press n and Enter lots of times... |
| 17:51.34 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: from older sid to newer sid? |
| 17:51.34 | sney | nyuszika7h: what debian version are you using? |
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| 17:52.27 | nyuszika7h | No, this might sound silly but I run squeeze with backports and I want to upgrade Python 2.6.6 (squeeze) to Python 3.2 (sid)... |
| 17:52.41 | nyuszika7h | Actually no |
| 17:52.45 | nyuszika7h | I mean 2.6.6 -> 2.7.3 |
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| 17:53.01 | nyuszika7h | (since Python 3 is a separate thing) |
| 17:53.02 | boudiccas | frankendebian! thats what it sounds like |
| 17:53.23 | boudiccas | !frankendebian |
| 17:53.23 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 17:53.32 | nyuszika7h | :( |
| 17:53.44 | sney | !ssb |
| 17:53.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:53.46 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: I'm afraid aptitude cannot let you do that Dave |
| 17:53.55 | nyuszika7h | sney: I tried that... |
| 17:53.58 | jelly-home | sney: it's pretty much impossible to backport python |
| 17:54.02 | sney | ah, figurews |
| 17:54.15 | sney | well, wheezy is pretty solid these days. :P |
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| 17:54.33 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: you could move the whole system to sid, with all the consequences that carries |
| 17:54.43 | nyuszika7h | jelly-home: That sounds insane for a server |
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| 17:55.03 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: more sane than mixing sid into stable |
| 17:55.44 | sney | ,v python |
| 17:55.45 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-1 |
| 17:55.51 | nyuszika7h | I had more luck with Python 3.2.3 which I was able to install from source because there weren't a lot of dependenncies... |
| 17:55.57 | nyuszika7h | *dependencies |
| 17:56.02 | nyuszika7h | conflicts, rather |
| 17:56.13 | sney | or just use wheezy. it's frozen, there are still bugs, but it's a much safer bet than sid |
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| 17:56.54 | nyuszika7h | is unsure now |
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| 17:58.20 | sney | nyuszika7h: I guess that would depend on how mission-critical the server is. |
| 17:58.33 | johndoe | why does gparted leave 1MB unpartitioned space after making a new partition (right before it) |
| 17:58.47 | nyuszika7h | It currently only runs IRC clients and bots, but I wouldn't like to have random crashes... |
| 17:58.59 | jelly-home | sney: uh, a frozen testing can be more erratic than sid |
| 17:59.05 | Diopter | johndoe: Probably trying to align partitions. |
| 17:59.10 | boudiccas | nyuszika7h: why do you need sid's python? |
| 17:59.19 | nyuszika7h | I'm actually not even sure |
| 17:59.25 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: build your 2.7 from source as well if you need it. |
| 17:59.43 | nyuszika7h | Actually I don't even need it right now, so no idea why I tried to install at all |
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| 17:59.57 | johndoe | Diopter: i deleted a partition there (no unpartitioned space), after recreating one at the same space it made some unpartitioned space :/ |
| 18:00.09 | nyuszika7h | with Python 3.2, I had a reason; something was written for 3.2 specifically and didn't work in 3.1 - but it wasn't a mess as only a few things depended on 3.1 |
| 18:00.16 | johndoe | nyuszika7h: i screwed my system because of python2.7 :/ |
| 18:00.17 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: presumably because you wanted to test restoring the whole OS from a working backup! |
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| 18:00.22 | nyuszika7h | johndoe: :o |
| 18:00.30 | nyuszika7h | Did you upgrade to wheezy/sid? |
| 18:00.35 | johndoe | yea kinda |
| 18:00.39 | johndoe | then it all blew up |
| 18:01.04 | nyuszika7h | jelly-home: Speaking of backups, I should make backups... currently I only have a bit old backups of a few things |
| 18:01.08 | nyuszika7h | has to go now anyway |
| 18:01.14 | johndoe | nyuszika7h: if you need python2.7, compile it from source |
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| 18:01.41 | simonlnu | um, backport it |
| 18:03.38 | mfdoom | if I have a smbfs mounted, and want to backup files on that fs to another fs, would a simple "cp -a" in a cron be sufficient, or would someone suggest some other utility? |
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| 18:03.41 | jelly-home | simonlnu: no u |
| 18:03.53 | dkr | mfdoom: rsync |
| 18:03.55 | jelly-home | (hint: backporting python, a daunting task) |
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| 18:04.16 | simonlnu | i don't have to, my python2.7 works, and running wheezy |
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| 18:04.33 | jelly-home | sell it to nyuszika7h then! |
| 18:04.39 | mfdoom | dkr: should I rsync from the mounted smbfs, or just not mount it, and let rsync establish its own remote connection to the smbfs? |
| 18:05.00 | simonlnu | he should visit his local debian mirror ;p |
| 18:05.20 | jelly-home | mfdoom: don't mount it, use remote rsync instead. |
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| 18:05.49 | jelly-home | rsync considers all mountpoints as local and will happily copy whole files |
| 18:05.59 | dkr | mfdoom: same difference(on tripe across network), I simply recommend rsync over cp -a to avoid re-copying files upon successive backups of the same data |
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| 18:06.16 | mfdoom | alright, thanks folks |
| 18:06.54 | simonlnu | why mount it via smb, add overhead, and rsync when direct rsync would be more efficient |
| 18:07.12 | farciarz84 | hi I have a problem with wine, it says rr:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly (using GL renderer "Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Desktop ", version "1.4 (3.0 Mesa 8.0.3)") but glxinfo says direct rendering: Yes. How to solve this? |
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| 18:07.50 | simonlnu | missing wine ogl stuffs? |
| 18:08.15 | jelly-home | farciarz84: for a start, which debian release is this and where do you get yout wine from |
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| 18:09.21 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: wheezy, http://main.mepis-deb.org/M85TestPackages.html 64 bit |
| 18:09.37 | simonlnu | ... |
| 18:09.43 | sney | !frankendebian |
| 18:09.43 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 18:09.47 | jelly-home | farciarz84: "These packages have not yet undergone sufficient testing to put into the main Community Repository" |
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| 18:10.11 | sney | never mind that they're for mepis |
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| 18:10.28 | jelly-home | no, really? |
| 18:10.33 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: there is no other package avaiable in official repo |
| 18:10.39 | jelly-home | ,v wine-unstable |
| 18:10.40 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: I have no choice |
| 18:10.40 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 18:10.51 | jelly-home | ,v wine-unstable --arch amd64 |
| 18:10.52 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on amd64 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 18:10.54 | simonlnu | farciarz84: ^^ |
| 18:11.02 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: it's not sid |
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| 18:11.24 | jelly-home | farciarz84: it's still close enough to be installable |
| 18:11.30 | simonlnu | it's binary compatible with wheezy right now |
| 18:11.50 | kevlarman | 3 versions behind in sid? ew |
| 18:12.01 | simonlnu | SIYH |
| 18:12.02 | jelly-home | kevlarman: you have NO idea |
| 18:12.13 | MO_Handes | Newly installed Wheeze, I did a change in /usr/share/X11/50-synaptics file and made my touchpad tapping work in login screen, but after logging in, tapping does not work. how to solve that? |
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| 18:12.21 | farciarz84 | so you advice to add sid repo, uninstall my current wine version and install it from sid ? |
| 18:12.29 | simonlnu | !wheeze |
| 18:12.29 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 18:12.34 | jelly-home | farciarz84: and try to reproduce the issue, correct |
| 18:12.34 | kevlarman | jelly-home: if you want to support debian's wine here, go for it |
| 18:12.58 | kevlarman | jelly-home: around 5 versions behind is usually the point where #winehq will just tell you to upgrade |
| 18:12.58 | jelly-home | kevlarman: thanks for the permission. |
| 18:13.06 | simonlnu | um, that's an IMO silly statement |
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| 18:13.11 | citric_acid | hi |
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| 18:13.21 | MO_Handes | solved |
| 18:13.49 | simonlnu | MO_Handes: dunno what it was, but \o/ for you |
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| 18:14.43 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: how to install wine from wheezy? I'm using testing distro |
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| 18:15.14 | simonlnu | wheezy *is* testing right now |
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| 18:15.21 | boudiccas | farciarz84: wheezy is testing! |
| 18:15.29 | citric_acid | what if i want to know the changes introduced by an upgrade? For example: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade just upgraded bash from version 4.2.20(1) to version 4.2.36(1) on wheezy. Is there a way to know what has changed with the new version (new features? or a bug/vulnerability fix ? ) ? |
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| 18:15.43 | farciarz84 | Burken: but there is no wine package avaiable |
| 18:15.51 | jelly-home | farciarz84: there is no "wine-unstable" package in wheezy |
| 18:15.54 | boudiccas | citric_acid: read the changelog |
| 18:15.58 | jordanm | citric_acid: apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:16.23 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: that's good wine-stable is okey for me |
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| 18:16.48 | jelly-home | ,v wine --arch amd64 |
| 18:16.50 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-2 |
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| 18:16.55 | jelly-home | seems to be there |
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| 18:17.57 | kevlarman | jelly-home: it's broken by out of date ia32-libs though |
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| 18:18.22 | boudiccas | thats why its in 'testing'! |
| 18:18.24 | kevlarman | have to install libxi6:i386 or most games crash |
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| 18:18.37 | jordanm | kevlarman: it doesn't have any RC bugs |
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| 18:18.47 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: well, I've just installed debian. I'm pretty new to linux, so please be patient. My english is terrible as you all can see. The problem I have is - I've always used apt-cache/apt-get. So when I typed apt-cache search wine - no result appears in the result-list |
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| 18:19.18 | boudiccas | farciarz84: so try sudo \pt-get install wine |
| 18:19.19 | jhutchins_wk | farciarz84: What repositories do you have enabled? |
| 18:19.19 | farciarz84 | I didn't modify the /apt/sources.l??? |
| 18:19.30 | citric_acid | jordanm: it needs the deb file.. thanks anyway |
| 18:19.54 | boudiccas | apt-get |
| 18:19.57 | farciarz84 | jhutchins_wk: default one - deb http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 18:19.59 | jordanm | citric_acid: it shows you at upgrade time |
| 18:20.00 | farciarz84 | deb-src http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
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| 18:20.03 | farciarz84 | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 18:20.05 | farciarz84 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:20.43 | Coudy | hi, I have strange problems in debian with mdadm SW RAID 10, every start is my raid DESCYNCED, I can't find informations, why.. |
| 18:20.51 | citric_acid | jordanm: i tried: apt-listchanges --apt bash (apt-listchanges was already installed) |
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| 18:21.14 | simonlnu | Coudy: you letting it finish the syncing? |
| 18:21.24 | Coudy | simonlnu, yes, every time.. |
| 18:21.35 | simonlnu | ok |
| 18:21.50 | simonlnu | (Just checking, some people forget or don't know) |
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| 18:22.13 | jordanm | citric_acid: if its already installed, then you want zcat /usr/share/doc/bash/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 18:22.17 | boudiccas | farciarz84: of you're new tolinux and new to debian, you'd bebetter off installing squeeze which is the stable release |
| 18:22.29 | jordanm | citric_acid: if you want something that doesn't change all the time with new upstream versions, then don't run testing |
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| 18:23.01 | jordanm | citric_acid: http://paste.debian.net/180344/ |
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| 18:23.38 | farciarz84 | boudiccas: you're wrong dude, I have pretty *new* hardware and installing *old* could be the big mistake I had missed |
| 18:23.42 | jordanm | citric_acid: that might also interest you, shows current version "candidates" for upgrade. won't list exactly what apt will do, but gives an idea |
| 18:24.04 | boudiccas | farciarz84: wrong gender! i'mnot a dude, i'm female! |
| 18:24.09 | Coudy | simonlnu, here are some infos http://paste.jabbim.cz/5699 |
| 18:24.09 | jordanm | farciarz84: newer kernels can be installed on testing via backports |
| 18:24.10 | farciarz84 | old os, I meant, intel made lot of fixes for sandy_bridge and ivy_bridge |
| 18:24.30 | jordanm | farciarz84: the fixes you are referring to would be in the kernel |
| 18:24.38 | jordanm | err, I meant on stable |
| 18:25.20 | simonlnu | (yay, someone used something other than pastebin.com) |
| 18:26.02 | simonlnu | are those faulty ones intentional on your part Coudy? |
| 18:26.19 | farciarz84 | jordanm: I'm not talking about kernel but xorg-video-intel, btw you should use 2:2.20 in sid |
| 18:26.40 | citric_acid | "< jordanm> citric_acid: if you want something that doesn't change all the time with new upstream versions, then don't run testing" i never said that. I only said i'd like to know *what* changed and the reason of the upgrade (security fix or new features? ) |
| 18:26.54 | farciarz84 | boudiccas: sorry ;) |
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| 18:27.25 | jordanm | citric_acid: technically, testing doesn't get security updates. atleast, security updates are not backported, and upstream is followed |
| 18:27.27 | citric_acid | jordanm: thanks, /usr/share/doc/ is the right way |
| 18:27.28 | Coudy | simonlnu, http://pastebin.com/9XKqiRRk , and I do not understand your question, (I can't properly translate it) |
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| 18:28.47 | citric_acid | jordanm: on security.debian.org some packages seem to be receiving security fix also on wheezy and sid. |
| 18:28.57 | simonlnu | Coudy: sometimes people put disks in spare - in fault mode or otherwise - just in case, hence my question |
| 18:29.32 | boudiccas | farciarz84: i was not referring to your new hardware, rather the extent of your knowledge. stable would be a better version for someone with little knowledge or experience of linux |
| 18:29.35 | jordanm | !tell citric_acid about testing security |
| 18:30.03 | jordanm | citric_acid: yeah, it looks like they do. IIRC in squeeze testing, security.d.o wasn't even offered |
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| 18:31.33 | Coudy | simonlnu, no, yesterday was active, and I waited unitl sync finished, then trought gnome I powered off pc |
| 18:31.34 | farciarz84 | boudiccas: I won't agree, when you have new hardware you should always look for new software, especially in linux. That's my point, otherwise you can end up with troubles. |
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| 18:31.48 | farciarz84 | boudiccas: actually I came from those troubles right now |
| 18:32.17 | Coudy | simonlnu, and this is happened several times during last 2 week, disk are new, all server editions |
| 18:32.28 | farciarz84 | with wheezy everything goes smoother and perfacet. Before I had lots of hungs and freezez, and my gpu was not fully supported |
| 18:33.43 | Coudy | simonlnu, but I think, this time it is HW error > http://pastebin.com/DK0FHWxg |
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| 18:35.22 | simonlnu | doesn't like pastebin.com much but anyway |
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| 18:36.03 | simonlnu | not getting the message, personally |
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| 18:36.55 | simonlnu | sending a drive command failed. hm |
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| 18:39.21 | Kobzar | hi |
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| 18:39.38 | Kobzar | who used qemu? |
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| 18:40.44 | jordanm | !tell Kobzar about anyone |
| 18:40.46 | flash_ | qrodhull? |
| 18:41.11 | format_c | In terms of PAM, I want to use a PAM module to authenticate against sasldb |
| 18:41.13 | trismarck | hi, does anyone happen to have a Natec Medusa keyboard? |
| 18:41.17 | format_c | is it pam_userdb.so? |
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| 18:41.26 | jelly-home | farciarz84: If you replaced "new software" with "new drivers" I'd agree. |
| 18:41.31 | LoRez | trismarck: don't spam. |
| 18:42.21 | echo083 | for the moment i'm using the module r8169 for my realtek network card i want to use the one provided by firmware-realtek, i installed the package but the old module is still how to do ? |
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| 18:42.31 | LoRez | trismarck: comprende? |
| 18:42.37 | jelly-home | LoRez: could we not overload the word spam with non-commercial meanings |
| 18:43.00 | jelly-home | LoRez: don't multipost is acceptable! |
| 18:43.28 | LoRez | you can try. have fun. |
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| 18:43.54 | Kobzar | so. i have trouble with qemu. my system is wheezy x64. i am install qemu. greate a mashine. Start it. After start begun install winXP x86 . The windows installer go to the chek hardware and i see black screen. no error messages in console.. |
| 18:43.58 | farciarz84 | is xfce a default debian environment? |
| 18:43.59 | echo083 | no ideas ? |
| 18:44.07 | farciarz84 | desktop.. |
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| 18:44.28 | boudiccas | farciarz84: no, gnome is |
| 18:44.38 | farciarz84 | :( |
| 18:45.18 | insink71 | cmd line my default ;) |
| 18:45.19 | boudiccas | Kobzar: thats a windows problem not debian |
| 18:45.39 | farciarz84 | boudiccas: gnome3 ? |
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| 18:45.53 | farciarz84 | is gnome known to be more stable then xfce? |
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| 18:46.03 | boudiccas | farc, yes gnome3 |
| 18:46.07 | Kobzar | i tryed differents iso, but results same.. |
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| 18:46.33 | jordanm | boudiccas: gnome3 is not known to be that "stable". its constantly changing, and have a look at the severity of its current RC bugs |
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| 18:47.31 | boudiccas | jordanm: i never said it was stable, i was referring to farciarx84 question to me of 'Gnome3?' |
| 18:47.33 | farciarz84 | I like gnome, but thought xfce is default for debian and more relialable so I've installed it. Looks similar, and it feels faster, but uglier |
| 18:47.59 | insink71 | xfce just a lighter, less supported x flavor |
| 18:47.59 | farciarz84 | mayby not ulgier but less stylish;) |
| 18:48.03 | jordanm | boudiccas: oh, I thought you were referring to hist stability question |
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| 18:48.19 | jordanm | farciarz84: many gnome themes can be installed in xfce4 |
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| 18:48.35 | boudiccas | jordanm: no, i never mentioned stability. i've not used wheezy and gnome3 so i cant comment |
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| 18:48.52 | jordanm | farciarz84: http://gnome-look.org/ # check out the gtk 2.x themes |
| 18:48.54 | farciarz84 | I hope we will like together with xfce I don't expect anything mystierous from desktp. eniron. |
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| 18:49.23 | Diaoul | hi there, can anyone point me some best practices for debian packages naming coming from a git hash? |
| 18:49.55 | farciarz84 | what I had with gnome/mint/ubuntu/mate/cinnamon - notoric freezes. Now it looks (after 8h) really nice. No hungs no freezes |
| 18:49.57 | jordanm | Diaoul: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 18:50.11 | farciarz84 | no glitshes no artifacts |
| 18:50.30 | solstis | hello, everybody! should i make any changes to my repository list because of the freezing of wheezy? probably make them to point to 'testing' ? |
| 18:50.38 | solstis | i want to be running testing |
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| 18:50.56 | farciarz84 | I had 1 month of nightmare with random desktpo freezes, which had to be restarted everytime |
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| 18:51.00 | dvs | solstis: You always want to run testing, even after wheezy? |
| 18:51.04 | jelly-home | solstis: don't, keep using wheezy until 2-3 months after the release |
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| 18:51.11 | johndoe | i killed aptitude while it was installing packages, now i get the standard "could not get lock" message. how do i fix it? |
| 18:51.25 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: is wheezy rolling-distro realese? |
| 18:51.30 | jordanm | solstis: wheezy will be testing until release, not until freeze. You can change to testing, but you will likely see issues with upgrades right after wheezy hits stable |
| 18:51.33 | jelly-home | solstis: those first weeks after a release make testing VERY hectic |
| 18:51.38 | jelly-home | farciarz84: nope. |
| 18:51.44 | jordanm | farciarz84: no, wheezy will become the next stable |
| 18:51.58 | jelly-home | farciarz84: no such thing as "rolling release" in Debian |
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| 18:52.11 | farciarz84 | I don't fully understand the difference, thought sid is rolling... |
| 18:52.25 | solstis | thanks |
| 18:52.29 | jelly-home | unless you count rolling one every 2-3 years as rolling |
| 18:52.39 | insink71 | heh |
| 18:52.42 | jelly-home | rolls one |
| 18:52.56 | jordanm | farciarz84: it is rolling, but its never really a release |
| 18:53.16 | DammitJim | how can one see the architecture for which a static library was built for? |
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| 18:53.22 | kevlarman | farciarz84: it's their way of saying "don't expect it to stay working all the time" |
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| 18:53.37 | kevlarman | DammitJim: /usr/bin/file |
| 18:54.00 | DammitJim | with the command file? |
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| 18:54.27 | Diaoul | thanks jordanm, i'll try to make a pretty name out of it |
| 18:55.03 | jordanm | Diaoul: upstream has not tagged any releases? |
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| 18:56.03 | DammitJim | sorry kevlarman , not sure what you mean |
| 18:56.14 | DammitJim | nevermind |
| 18:56.23 | DammitJim | I had never known that a file command existed |
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| 18:57.48 | Diaoul | jordanm : 12.0 alpha 4 git20120715 2acdae7 |
| 18:58.11 | Diaoul | https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc-rbp |
| 18:58.31 | Diaoul | kind of a tricky one for my first .deb huh |
| 18:59.04 | jordanm | Diaoul: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469397 |
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| 18:59.42 | Diaoul | I saw that, but for the aplha4 part? |
| 18:59.58 | Diaoul | I think I have to remove the epoch too as version has increased to 12.0 |
| 19:00.00 | jordanm | Diaoul: you should talk to the current maintainer for xbmc before packaging a subset of the same project |
| 19:00.59 | Diaoul | so maybe something like 12.0-alpha4~git20120715.2acdae7 |
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| 19:01.26 | Diaoul | jordanm: AFAIK there's no package for xbmc-rbp that is a specific branch for the raspberry pi |
| 19:01.37 | jordanm | Diaoul: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1 |
| 19:01.56 | jordanm | Diaoul: yes, but its inside of the same git project that someone is already maintaining |
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| 19:02.46 | gnarface | jordanm: sorry just came into this conversation, but are you looking for http://www.raspbian.org/ ? |
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| 19:03.10 | insink71 | I need to get me a raspberry pi |
| 19:03.15 | sney | scratches his head |
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| 19:03.19 | jordanm | gnarface: no, dicussing the packaging of xbmc-rdp |
| 19:03.19 | sney | why "based on" |
| 19:03.38 | gnarface | sorry |
| 19:03.54 | jordanm | sney: the packages are recompiled to support an arm version that is more optimized for a rasberry pi |
| 19:04.30 | jordanm | from what I understand, debian armel will work, but not as well |
| 19:04.42 | Diaoul | that's true |
| 19:04.52 | Diaoul | due to soft float for v4 compatibility |
| 19:04.53 | sney | oh, that's sensible then |
| 19:04.59 | tables | how do i set up apache2 https on debian? |
| 19:05.05 | tables | i need simple instructions |
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| 19:05.35 | jordanm | hire a consultant? doesn't get simplier than that |
| 19:06.26 | insink71 | yeah armv6 is funny about omax.. not everything clicks.. but those youngsters have it working fairly good from the reports I read |
| 19:06.33 | jelly-home | jordanm: I need free hand-holding! |
| 19:06.40 | jordanm | tables: zcat /usr/share/doc/apache2-mpm-prefork/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:06.51 | jordanm | assuming you are using the defaul preform worker |
| 19:07.07 | jordanm | jelly-home: free and simple?!? |
| 19:07.18 | jelly-home | jordanm: and fast. |
| 19:07.32 | jelly-home | jordanm: Are. You. That. Guy. |
| 19:07.51 | jordanm | jelly-home: I. Am. Not. That. Guy. |
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| 19:08.47 | jelly-home | jordanm: http://kayin.pyoko.org/iwbtg/ ? |
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| 19:21.28 | drigolli4r | re |
| 19:22.23 | dvs | fa |
| 19:22.58 | insink71 | hmm |
| 19:23.30 | jelly-home | a long long way to run |
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| 19:23.48 | drigolli4r | hi dvs. hi insink71. hi jelly_home |
| 19:23.57 | dvs | oi |
| 19:24.16 | insink71 | allo |
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| 19:24.42 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Does anyone mind helping me resolve this driver issue? |
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| 19:25.20 | Rosenzweig|Deb | As of recently (about 2 months back) there was this major upgrade that ended up breaking my ati driver. |
| 19:26.00 | sney | which ati driver, radeon or fglrx |
| 19:26.06 | Rosenzweig|Deb | So, I just reinstalled the proprietary ati driver and the next thing I know, gdm3 would fail to start up. |
| 19:26.23 | sney | what debian version and how did you install fglrx |
| 19:26.40 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I use wheezy, and I would just grab it off the vendor's website. |
| 19:27.06 | sney | the current Xorg in wheezy is incompatible with fglrx both in non-free and upstream |
| 19:27.16 | sney | ATI is aware of the problem and allegedly working on it |
| 19:27.25 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Oh, darn. |
| 19:27.29 | Rosenzweig|Deb | How long has this been going on? |
| 19:27.33 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Because it used to work perfectly. |
| 19:27.35 | sney | couple months |
| 19:27.41 | Rosenzweig|Deb | It worked until May. |
| 19:27.46 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Then it just broke. |
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| 19:28.25 | sney | yeah, the timing sounds about right, you got a big upgrade - all of Xorg would certainly count as big - and it was toast after that |
| 19:28.39 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Well, maybe the open source drivers that Valve and Intel are working on will save me... whenever that is. |
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| 19:29.00 | sney | Rosenzweig|Deb: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675940 |
| 19:29.18 | sney | the free 'radeon' driver should support your gpu enough for a desktop, though it won't be as quick as fglrx |
| 19:29.35 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I can't get the free radeon driver to work. |
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| 19:30.01 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I'm using fallback drivers now. |
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| 19:31.36 | Diaoul | jordanm, from what I can see, betas are named with +b1 for example, what's the standard for alphas? +a1 ? -alpha1 ? |
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| 19:33.05 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Yeah, for some reason the free drivers simply won't work. Or maybe they're working and I don't know. |
| 19:33.11 | Rosenzweig|Deb | All I know is that I can't OpenGL program. |
| 19:33.17 | jordanm | Diaoul: no, +b1 is for a binNMU |
| 19:33.33 | jordanm | Diaoul: http://wiki.debian.org/binNMU |
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| 19:37.36 | jhutchins_wk | ftp doesn't do any error checking, does it? |
| 19:38.17 | xingu | jhutchins: no, it relies on TCP to be reliable. |
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| 19:38.36 | jhutchins_wk | rsync/scp does though, right? |
| 19:39.17 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: the free drivers simply don't work for OpenGL |
| 19:39.26 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: (yet) |
| 19:39.31 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Well that sucks. |
| 19:39.32 | Rosenzweig|Deb | :\ |
| 19:39.45 | xingu | jhutchins: sort of; scp uses a block cipher so will abort if a block fails to decrypt; rsync is block delta based, so _before_ the transaction it will calculate block checksums at both ends then transfer the difference |
| 19:39.49 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I guess I'll do all my GL programming on the Windows computer. |
| 19:39.59 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: oh you're talking about radeon, not nvidia, sorry, you should not be having problems |
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| 19:40.30 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
| 19:40.32 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: check the docs against your hardware model, make sure there aren't gotchas (special configurations you have to add to get around failure to auto-detect, and such) |
| 19:40.33 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
| 19:40.34 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Is there anything I need to do to get the free drivers to start? |
| 19:40.35 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
| 19:40.39 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
| 19:40.39 | gnarface | !ops luigi, spamming |
| 19:40.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: luigi, spamming |
| 19:40.41 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
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| 19:40.48 | xingu | jhutchins: iterative runs of rsync are "error checking" in so far as the N+1th run reliably will have delivered at least the Nth set of data. |
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| 19:41.03 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
| 19:41.05 | luigi | Freenode is changing servers! See http://tinyurl.com/ypztv for more info. |
| 19:41.05 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: *start?* |
| 19:41.18 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Well I have them installed. |
| 19:41.19 | Rosenzweig|Deb | . |
| 19:41.27 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: you mean start X11? |
| 19:41.34 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Usually there is something I have to do to get the proprietary drivers installed and working. |
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| 19:41.50 | xingu | jhutchins: rsync has --append-verify which may be of interest. |
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| 19:43.05 | gnarface | Rosenzweig|Deb: sorry i'm not familiar with the radeon drivers, but i suggest you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:44.36 | sney | gnarface: weird, I'm pretty sure radeon does support opengl when the firmware is installed, especially considering I play Minecraft on it |
| 19:44.41 | tuv | do init script order numbers always two-digit? /etc/rc2.d/S??name |
| 19:44.56 | tuv | or can they be one digit? |
| 19:45.01 | sney | Rosenzweig|Deb: see ^ also generally removing fglrx and deleting xorg.conf + a reboot will enable radeon |
| 19:45.14 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Oh, I should remove fglrx. |
| 19:45.17 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I deleted the xorg.conf. |
| 19:45.28 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Now how do I remove fglrx |
| 19:45.45 | sney | 'aptitude remove fglrx-driver' oh wait, you used the amd.com installer |
| 19:45.50 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Yeah. |
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| 19:46.01 | sney | does it generate a .deb? if so it should still be removable through apt |
| 19:46.09 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Not sure. |
| 19:46.11 | Rosenzweig|Deb | It was just a .run file. |
| 19:46.35 | sney | I remember seeing a screenshot that asked if you wanted to make a distribution-specific package |
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| 19:46.51 | sney | the .run file may also have an --uninstall option or something of that nature, but this may break X |
| 19:46.52 | gnarface | sney: yes, i know i retracted my statement a few lines later, keep reading |
| 19:47.20 | sney | gnarface: oh aye, sorry, spam makes the screen hard to parse |
| 19:47.33 | tuv | does cmd.run use the shell? |
| 19:47.33 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I know it had a --force option. |
| 19:47.38 | Rosenzweig|Deb | It worked. |
| 19:47.40 | Rosenzweig|Deb | The uninstall. |
| 19:47.58 | sney | hopefully X survived. nvidia's --uninstall breaks everything |
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| 19:48.32 | farciarz84 | how long does the support last for stable release? |
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| 19:48.51 | abrotman | farciarz84: depends on the next release |
| 19:49.09 | echo083 | how to find the options available for a module ? |
| 19:49.25 | sney | modinfo |
| 19:50.22 | echo083 | sney, oh yesss !!! it is the parm line |
| 19:50.44 | echo083 | sney, i tried this command i missed it too bad :( thanks anyway |
| 19:50.55 | sney | what |
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| 19:53.43 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Ugh, it's still using the fallback experience for some reason. |
| 19:53.47 | Rosenzweig|Deb | It can't detect a driver or anything. |
| 19:53.55 | sney | can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 19:54.00 | Rosenzweig|Deb | M'kay. |
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| 19:55.51 | Rosenzweig|Deb | http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458 |
| 19:55.57 | Rosenzweig|Deb | There it is sney. |
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| 19:57.42 | sney | hmm, that looks ok. do you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 19:58.44 | Grizzly | hi |
| 19:58.54 | Grizzly | how do you make new file in debian? |
| 19:58.59 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Yes. |
| 19:59.18 | sney | Rosenzweig|Deb: weird, it Works For Me (tm) |
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| 19:59.37 | Diopter | Grizzly: What do you mean exactly? |
| 19:59.38 | sney | Rosenzweig|Deb: check the bts for xserver-xorg-video-radeon to see if anyone else has complained of the same thing |
| 19:59.39 | MO_Handes | when I insert my external hdd it does not mount it automatically and I cant mount it with nautilus and I have to run "sudo mount blah blah" everytime. what's the problem? |
| 19:59.46 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I didn't have dri sney. |
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| 19:59.57 | Diopter | MO_Handes: You probably need to have your user in the plugdev group |
| 20:00.04 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I'll isntall that and check again. |
| 20:00.05 | Rosenzweig|Deb | install* |
| 20:00.07 | sney | Rosenzweig|Deb: oh! that's important. |
| 20:00.14 | Grizzly | I need to create this file for wordpress /etc/apache2/sites-available/www.example.com |
| 20:00.15 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I had glx and the firware. |
| 20:00.18 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Not dri for some reason. |
| 20:00.32 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Well I'll be back in a jiffy. |
| 20:00.40 | MO_Handes | Diopter, what is the command for checking what groups a user belong to and to add user to a new group? |
| 20:00.45 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I love quick boot times on Linux. |
| 20:01.07 | sney | MO_Handes: 'groups' and 'usermod' respectively |
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| 20:01.19 | Diopter | MO_Handes: You can do it several ways. "id <username>" is an easy one; if you're logged in as that user, just "id" will suffice. |
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| 20:01.41 | Grizzly | Diopter ? command for me ? :D |
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| 20:01.49 | MO_Handes | I'm already in plugdev group |
| 20:02.03 | Diopter | MO_Handes: If you want to add a user to a new group, "adduser <username> <group>" (as root) is a little easier than usermod. |
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| 20:02.21 | johndoe | can i somehow export packages from tasksel that are to be installed? |
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| 20:02.34 | Diopter | Grizzly: Open an editor, put in the contents you want for that file, then save the document as that filename. |
| 20:02.34 | johndoe | to get a list of them |
| 20:04.22 | innociv | Okay, something seems seriously messed up with my server. I'm blocking all traffic except white listed ips: http://pastie.org/4308085 yet ddos attacks of only 150mb/s are using up all my cpu. I get locked out of ssh due to the attacks. I'm using Amazon, so I should have far more available bandwidth than that. |
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| 20:04.58 | Diopter | innociv: Mbits/s or MBytes/s? |
| 20:05.03 | Rosenzweig|Deb | The only difference that I notice now is that the console text when I boot linux up is now smaller and in a different font. |
| 20:05.07 | Grizzly | thanks Diopter |
| 20:05.15 | Rosenzweig|Deb | It still goes into fallback mode. |
| 20:05.16 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Dang. |
| 20:05.27 | innociv | bytes |
| 20:05.28 | kevlarman | innociv: do the whitelist on the amazon firewall, and your cpu should be fine |
| 20:05.29 | raboof | 'speaker-test -c 2 -d hw:0' produces no audio, pulseaudio is not running, 'alsamixer' shows volumes at 100%, 'lsof' doesn't show anything for /dev/dsp nor /dev/snd/*, 'aplay -l' shows my internal audio card as card 0 |
| 20:05.33 | raboof | any idea what else could be wrong? |
| 20:05.44 | ManoftheSea | is it plugged in? |
| 20:05.45 | innociv | kevlarman, i did |
| 20:05.53 | innociv | I shortened that list of whitelist because it's so long, sorry |
| 20:06.16 | kevlarman | innociv: if you do it on amazon's firewall your instance will never see the traffic |
| 20:06.22 | innociv | Actually I was wrong and this seems to be working. But it's still using tons of cpu |
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| 20:06.27 | innociv | Oh |
| 20:06.29 | raboof | ManoftheSea: internal speakers |
| 20:06.30 | innociv | I can't do that, can I? |
| 20:06.33 | kevlarman | innociv: you can |
| 20:06.34 | jordanm | johndoe: while read -r _ _ command; do echo ${command/install/search}; done < <(tasksel -t install desktop) |
| 20:06.35 | innociv | Unless they changed something |
| 20:07.01 | jordanm | johndoe: that should do it (bash only) |
| 20:07.03 | Diopter | innociv: 150MB/s is about saturating a 1Gbps connection. If you run top, and hit "1", do you see one of the cores having a really high % on the "si" counter? |
| 20:07.12 | jordanm | johndoe: err, without the echo |
| 20:07.14 | MO_Handes | this is my problem on mounting a externad hdd. can anybody help? http://oi48.tinypic.com/16av8y9.jpg |
| 20:07.27 | kevlarman | innociv: security groups let you specify ip's in the rule |
| 20:07.38 | kevlarman | or ip ranges |
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| 20:07.46 | innociv | Cpu0 : 2.2%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 45.0%id, 9.5%wa, 0.0%hi, 43.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 20:07.46 | innociv | Cpu1 : 0.3%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 62.5%id, 37.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 20:07.57 | innociv | cpu1 bounces to 100% id |
| 20:08.32 | raboof | ManoftheSea: lol. when i plug in headphones they do give audio. |
| 20:08.37 | johndoe | jordanm: thanks. btw, if im installing into a chroot, what things do i need to mount? do i need to mount proc dev and sys? |
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| 20:08.59 | Grizzly | why do I get this ? -bash: /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/setup-mysql: Permission denied |
| 20:09.09 | sp4rc | guys how can i tell gnome to use acrobat reader as the default pdf viewer? |
| 20:09.19 | sp4rc | update-alternatives seems to be the wrong way |
| 20:09.57 | farciarz84 | when I type a program name that is not installed, shouldn't be a tip from apt to install it (including full name) ? |
| 20:10.52 | jordanm | johndoe: yes |
| 20:11.05 | mtn | sp4rc: in your file manager, right click on a pdf file, go to properties. you will find it. |
| 20:11.37 | jordanm | Grizzly: setup-mysql is not marked executable? |
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| 20:11.58 | sp4rc | mtn: i should have said that... i tried it. it seems not to remeber about 'acroread' also the checkbox is set |
| 20:12.15 | Grizzly | jordanm I think so |
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| 20:12.22 | Grizzly | do I need to chmod or something? |
| 20:12.39 | jordanm | Grizzly: if its a bash script, just run "bash /usr/share/doc/wordpress/examples/setup-mysql" |
| 20:13.14 | johndoe | jordanm: but in that case the host and the chroot env share all the proccesses? |
| 20:13.56 | jordanm | johndoe: yes.. they share the same kernel |
| 20:14.05 | Grizzly | jordanm, that worked but it seems my dns hasn't been changed yet unfortunately |
| 20:14.28 | jordanm | Grizzly: why would you expect a script called setup-mysql to do anything with DNS? |
| 20:14.52 | Grizzly | ping: unknown host 1unu.com |
| 20:14.59 | jordanm | ok? |
| 20:14.59 | johndoe | jordanm: ok, thanks for clarifying. i was hoping there was a way of separating the two so i dont accidentally mess up the host one |
| 20:15.20 | Grizzly | that's what I got in return |
| 20:15.27 | jordanm | johndoe: there are ways to "break" out of a chroot, but its not likely to occur accidently |
| 20:15.35 | Grizzly | following this tutorial http://linux.justinhartman.com/Wordpress_Installation_on_Debian |
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| 20:15.43 | johndoe | jordanm: kk |
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| 20:16.18 | johndoe | jordanm: i did a rm -rf /* in the chroot with proc/sys/dev mounted. got some problems afterwards :/ |
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| 20:16.55 | jordanm | Grizzly: I don't see any DNS setup in that document, looks like it assumes you already did that part |
| 20:17.16 | jordanm | johndoe: just reboot the machine |
| 20:17.18 | Grizzly | Yes, I did |
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| 20:17.27 | jordanm | Grizzly: apparently not correctly |
| 20:17.32 | Grizzly | but just 30 mins ago |
| 20:17.34 | Grizzly | LOL |
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| 20:17.49 | Grizzly | dns needs time to properly work |
| 20:17.58 | Grizzly | that's what they say |
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| 20:18.13 | johndoe | jordanm: sorry for asking this many questions, but.. even if i wipe /dev /proc and /sys there will be no permanent consequences? |
| 20:18.40 | jordanm | Grizzly: the addition of a non-existant A record should take effect pretty much immediatly. any delay would be on your DNS provider's part |
| 20:19.16 | jordanm | johndoe: shouldn't be, they are all populated dynamically |
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| 20:20.22 | Grizzly | thanks for the help jordanm |
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| 20:20.40 | Grizzly | you did the trick, will come back tomorrow to bug you some more |
| 20:20.44 | johndoe | ok thanks alot :-) |
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| 20:21.45 | MO_Handes | solved |
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| 20:21.54 | dvs | Rubik's cude? |
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| 20:28.32 | raboof | interesting. the 'mute' 'hardware button' switches the mute of the internal speakers and alsa, but does not directly affect the headphones out. so when i mute via alsamixer, the internal speakers will remain silent (either muted by alsa or by the hardware switch) and the headphones just follow alsa |
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| 20:29.53 | innociv | Diopter, anything else? And I'm pretty sure the connection is more than 1gb/s. |
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| 20:30.41 | Tumulte | Hi |
| 20:31.04 | Diopter | innociv: So, you've got decently high soft interrupts (si) and decently high I/O wait (wa), but it doesn't appear to be saturating much of anything |
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| 20:31.36 | Tumulte | I got a silly problem : I got a forbidden on my localhost folder... even if I did chown user:www-data + chmod |
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| 20:31.44 | Tumulte | I puzzled |
| 20:31.55 | innociv | http://pastie.org/4308085 Is there anyway I can't make these iptables more efficient? |
| 20:32.06 | innociv | Well I just got locked out from ssh by the last attack, Diopter |
| 20:32.18 | justin | innociv: who says iptables is the problem? |
| 20:32.37 | innociv | Well, might not be, but I don't see what else is |
| 20:33.23 | justin | and yes, if you used ipset with iptables it would be more efficient |
| 20:33.33 | justin | but you are assuming it is the problem in the first place |
| 20:33.40 | lek_ | /http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458http://pastebin.com/uPTnX458 |
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| 20:35.22 | farciarz84 | in terminal: how to enable a tip for apt in case of running non-installed software? |
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| 20:35.37 | jelly-home | ,v file-not-found |
| 20:35.39 | judd | No package named 'file-not-found' was found in i386. |
| 20:35.45 | jelly-home | ,v command-not-found |
| 20:35.46 | judd | Package: command-not-found on i386 -- sid: 0.2.38-1; squeeze: 0.2.38-1; wheezy: 0.2.38-1 |
| 20:36.01 | jelly-home | farciarz84: ^^ if your shell is bash |
| 20:36.14 | innociv | justin, well consider that I'm blocking all but the whitelisted traffic, what else could it be? |
| 20:36.15 | farciarz84 | of course |
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| 20:37.32 | Diopter | innociv: Your rules are actually pretty light. |
| 20:37.41 | innociv | justin 21M 853M DROP tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 |
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| 20:37.51 | farciarz84 | command-not-found should be built-in;) |
| 20:37.55 | innociv | 21mil packets dropped in a few minutes |
| 20:38.03 | innociv | by "-A INPUT -p tcp -j DROP" |
| 20:38.08 | Diopter | innociv: Sounds like you should get DOS'd less. |
| 20:38.12 | innociv | So yes, it's purely the firewall being saturated. |
| 20:38.15 | innociv | Diopter, not an option sadly |
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| 20:38.39 | innociv | I don't quite understand why my server can't filter that many packets without a problem |
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| 20:39.11 | Diopter | Well, I'm curious about all this IO/wait |
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| 20:39.24 | Diopter | I'd imagine that's raising your load average more than dropping the packets is. |
| 20:40.02 | innociv | From running out of memory, maybe? |
| 20:40.07 | Diopter | innociv: If the soft interrupts aren't > 70-80% then packets/sec aren't likely the issue |
| 20:40.09 | innociv | but i'm not using hashlimit or anything there |
| 20:40.25 | Diopter | innociv: But I/O wait can easily raise system load continuously |
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| 20:40.40 | Diopter | Could be. What's slabtop and free have to say? |
| 20:40.53 | jelly-home | farciarz84: you might like ubuntu then. |
| 20:41.14 | innociv | keep in mind the attack stopped, i detached that ip |
| 20:41.15 | innociv | but sec |
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| 20:41.43 | innociv | http://pastie.org/4308339 |
| 20:41.51 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: I don't |
| 20:42.09 | jelly-home | command-not-found is their baby |
| 20:42.26 | farciarz84 | its pretty helpful |
| 20:42.27 | Diopter | Well that's not going to be tremendously useful if you're not still under the load :P |
| 20:42.36 | farciarz84 | save time at least |
| 20:42.49 | Diopter | innociv: First thing that strikes me... this is a dual-core slice, with 2GB of RAM, yes? |
| 20:43.05 | jelly-home | farciarz84: au contraire, it wastes time -- cpu time to be more precise |
| 20:43.10 | innociv | Yeah |
| 20:43.13 | innociv | 1.7gb |
| 20:43.28 | innociv | It's the Amazon medium compute. It should have plenty of CPU to filter out attacks. |
| 20:43.52 | justin | innociv: 21 million packets in a few minutes is not a lot of traffic |
| 20:44.02 | Diopter | innociv: Maybe. But you've got some swap used. A small amount, but... without the "attack" load, you're using 50% of your RAM. |
| 20:44.15 | innociv | justin, yeah exactly. |
| 20:44.17 | Diopter | innociv: My guess is, just serving legitimate traffic uses more than 2GB |
| 20:44.28 | jelly-home | farciarz84: a distro focusing on end-user experience might have it enabled by default; on the other hand, it only works well with bash which is kind of sad |
| 20:44.30 | farciarz84 | jelly-home: cpu time is cheap, mine not |
| 20:44.31 | Diopter | And you're swapping, which is killing you through I/O wait |
| 20:44.48 | justin | innociv: I'm still not sure why you think iptables is the problem |
| 20:44.56 | innociv | Well how can I reduce the ram that's used? I guess the kernel is using a lot for iptables? |
| 20:44.59 | innociv | justin, what else could it be? |
| 20:45.11 | justin | innociv: resources being exhausted on amazons end? |
| 20:45.12 | innociv | The attacks aren't reaching any service. |
| 20:45.22 | Diopter | innociv: How much legit traffic are you getting? |
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| 20:45.42 | innociv | I don't think so. I hada 400mbp/s attack before and was running fine. But I reset up a server on debian and now these 150mb/s attacks are dropping it |
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| 20:46.09 | farciarz84 | I can't understand why ubuntu is much more popular then debian, they have stolen your system, broke it, and commercial stuff and finally get all benefits from it |
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| 20:46.19 | farciarz84 | and==add |
| 20:46.22 | justin | innociv: the same exact server on the same exact VM host in the same exact rack in the same exact amazon data center? |
| 20:46.26 | Losowski | farciarz84: Agreed |
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| 20:46.53 | farciarz84 | my eyes are now opened: 8h with debian. Before: ubuntu, mint |
| 20:46.55 | innociv | Well it is a different rack. |
| 20:47.04 | innociv | Let me try the same rack as the other |
| 20:47.21 | innociv | this is east-1b I think I used east-1d before |
| 20:47.43 | justin | innociv: those are availability zones, not racks |
| 20:47.51 | innociv | True but. |
| 20:48.00 | innociv | That's even more different than rack |
| 20:49.24 | innociv | Diopter, legitimate traffic is only 5-20mbyte/s. |
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| 20:49.59 | kevlarman | innociv: doesn't 20mbyte/s get expensive with amazon? |
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| 20:50.18 | karlpinc | farciarz84: Debian is free software. Ubuntu can do as they like with it. What goes around comes around. |
| 20:50.22 | innociv | The outgoing is only like 2-6mb/s. |
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| 20:51.03 | innociv | amazon doesn't charge for incoming |
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| 20:53.11 | innociv | justin, and either way, I'm pretty sure amazon has 10gbit or 100 gbit connections at least to the racks. Some people legitimately need 100mb/s or 1gb/s+ traffic without using that much cpu. |
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| 20:53.44 | eXeC001er | Hi |
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| 20:54.16 | eXeC001er | Could somebody explain me why 1.0-3 < 1.0-2-r102 ? |
| 20:54.46 | eXeC001er | dpkg --compare-versions 1.0-3 gt 1.0-2-r102; echo $? <<< result 1 |
| 20:54.46 | dpkg | eXeC001er: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 20:55.59 | justin | innociv: likely, but if your system is 100% idle, that's not a problem on your end |
| 20:56.18 | innociv | cpu load was about 40% |
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| 20:58.37 | kevlarman | eXeC001er: don't have 2 -'s in the version |
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| 20:59.58 | MO_Handes | how to install "software center" ? |
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| 21:00.02 | MO_Handes | what is the package name? |
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| 21:00.51 | mnaser | for debian/ubuntu, if i check for the presence of apt-get -- should that be enough to know if the os is ubuntu/debian? |
| 21:01.05 | karlpinc | MO_Handes: You probably mean "synaptic". |
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| 21:01.13 | mnaser | (assuming people don't uninstall it) |
| 21:01.27 | mnaser | or should I check for dpkg? |
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| 21:02.07 | MO_Handes | karlpinc, no, there was a dazzling software center with all those user ratings and comments, etc, like android market, ubuntu software center, etc... |
| 21:02.43 | Miesco | When I compile linux 3.5 with dpkg-make I get: debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:286: *** Cannot find lguest tools. Stop. |
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| 21:03.46 | Miesco | sorry, with make-kpkg |
| 21:03.49 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: We don't do that kind of marketing crap in Debian. This is real free software. |
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| 21:04.55 | Miesco | When I compile linux 3.5 with make-kpkg I get: debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:286: *** Cannot find lguest tools. Stop. |
| 21:05.32 | MO_Handes | found it, the package name is simply `software-center`. |
| 21:06.14 | eXeC001er | kevlarman: not fully understand what you mean. |
| 21:06.29 | Miesco | wait sry nvm |
| 21:06.36 | MO_Handes | but should'nt this be pre-installed on debian? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/software-center |
| 21:06.43 | ManoftheSea | MO_Handes: no. |
| 21:07.06 | innociv | Er when I just put 1 ip into amazon's firewall it says "security group 'x.x.x.x' does not exist" Does it need to be x.x.x.x/1 or something? |
| 21:07.14 | ManoftheSea | if you want it, you can install software-center. |
| 21:07.14 | innociv | I'm not good at netblocks |
| 21:07.24 | ManoftheSea | But don't put it in Debian default. |
| 21:07.25 | kevlarman | innociv: /32 |
| 21:07.37 | innociv | Thanks |
| 21:08.02 | Miesco | wait, mind |
| 21:08.03 | innociv | and /24 would be the whole 0-256 at the end, iirc. |
| 21:08.07 | Miesco | When I compile linux 3.5 with make-kpkg I get: debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:286: *** Cannot find lguest tools. Stop. |
| 21:08.38 | innociv | Oh wait so... 256.256.0.0/12 would be 256.256.0.0-256.256.256.256 ? |
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| 21:08.53 | Miesco | There's no 256 |
| 21:08.54 | innociv | Or /18 maybe it'd be. |
| 21:09.06 | innociv | 255? Sorry. |
| 21:09.25 | Miesco | 255 is the last number, there is 256 numbers in total |
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| 21:09.48 | innociv | Yeah, 0, sorry. |
| 21:09.55 | kevlarman | innociv: no that would be /16 |
| 21:10.19 | kevlarman | innociv: each component of an ip is 8 bits long |
| 21:10.33 | innociv | Well I did what justin said and I put the whitelisted ips on the amazon firewall. |
| 21:11.00 | innociv | .. Er yeah, right. Not thinking. |
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| 21:17.46 | Zapsoda | whats the command to install java on Debian 6 |
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| 21:18.29 | majuscule | My /lost+found is huge and yet appears to be empty. What might be going on and how can I clear it out? |
| 21:18.53 | Zapsoda | whats the command to install java on Debian 6 on my VPS? |
| 21:19.05 | jelly-home | majuscule: how huge exactly are we talking about? ls -ld /lost+found |
| 21:19.05 | dioz | apt-get install package ? |
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| 21:19.28 | majuscule | jelly-home: drwx------ 2 root root 16384 Apr 17 2011 /lost+found/ |
| 21:19.42 | jelly-home | majuscule: that's not huge at all, leave it be |
| 21:19.49 | LtL | majuscule: the package name is java-common |
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| 21:20.42 | LtL | majuscule: sorry wrong nick |
| 21:20.54 | majuscule | jelly-home: i'm very confused, you're right, i didn't realize, that's not that big. but my / is full! and lost+found is the biggest dir in /. what mistake might i be making? |
| 21:20.59 | majuscule | LtL: np |
| 21:21.13 | LtL | Zapsoda: the package name is java-common as far as a vps, not sure. |
| 21:21.17 | jelly-home | majuscule: looks like the default size of that directory. fsck would recreate it anyway if it needed to, and if you really need those 16KiB, you have too little a fs anyway |
| 21:21.42 | Leader | ntpdate pool.ntp.org 23 Jul 14:21:14 ntpdate[20406]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 21:21.44 | Leader | why |
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| 21:21.53 | Leader | whyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 21:21.59 | jelly-home | majuscule: use something like du -x / to figure out the size of directory CONTENTS |
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| 21:22.16 | jordanm | majuscule: shopt -s extglob <ENTER>; du -sk /!(proc|dev|sys|mnt) | sort -g |
| 21:22.28 | jordanm | jelly-home: that's going to spend a lot of time in psuedo-filesystems |
| 21:22.43 | jelly-home | jordanm: rtfm |
| 21:23.03 | jordanm | jelly-home: oh, I have been doing it the hard way for quite a while, thanks |
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| 21:23.10 | LtL | Leader: try time.nist.gov no guarentees |
| 21:23.12 | Leader | y cant i do ntp |
| 21:23.15 | jelly-home | jordanm: you're welcome! |
| 21:23.29 | Miesco | I went into kernel config with menuconfig, then I unchecked lguest guest, but in .config it says: CONFIG_LGUEST=m |
| 21:23.58 | LtL | Leader: thats for the U.S. your mileage may vary. |
| 21:24.09 | Leader | ltl its not working either |
| 21:24.17 | Leader | what port does ntp use |
| 21:24.23 | Leader | because i only have 80 open |
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| 21:24.40 | jordanm | Leader: grep ntp /etc/services |
| 21:24.46 | LtL | Leader: uh, you know i'm not sure, my router syncs with it |
| 21:24.51 | Miesco | Oh I see |
| 21:25.03 | Miesco | Those are two different kernel settings |
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| 21:26.30 | Leader | so i probly need special ports for ntp huh |
| 21:26.50 | Miesco | How do I turn lguest off in the kernel? |
| 21:26.53 | jelly-home | majuscule: eg. du -x / > /tmp/du-root; sort -n /tmp/du-root | tail -n 30 |
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| 21:27.23 | jelly-home | so you don't have to redo the somewhat io-expensive du |
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| 21:27.36 | LtL | Leader: port 123 i believe, peruse this url, http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/TroubleshootingNTP |
| 21:27.47 | Leader | ya |
| 21:28.30 | LtL | Leader: you shouldn't need to 'open' the port unless you have iptables restricting said port. |
| 21:28.53 | simonlnu | it's open when the daemon starts listening there. |
| 21:29.12 | LtL | Leader: i reserve the right to be wrong :) thanks simonlnu |
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| 21:29.54 | Leader | ya but |
| 21:29.57 | simonlnu | filtering OTOH would be done by iptables. you'd punch a hole in it when policy is set to DROP or REJECT |
| 21:30.00 | Leader | our router is blocking it |
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| 21:30.08 | Leader | my work is PCI DSS |
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| 21:30.36 | simonlnu | LtL: not completely wrong, but incomplete statement |
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| 21:30.48 | LtL | simonlnu: guilty |
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| 21:32.16 | jelly-home | Leader: set up a ntp server within the local network; make a hole in the firewall to let jsut that machine receive relevant traffic to make ntp work; let other machines sync with your own server |
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| 21:32.39 | simonlnu | easiest way imo |
| 21:33.17 | jelly-home | Leader: repeat with a second ntp server for redundancy. Alternatively, set up a local stratum 0 ntp server using an affordable time source (GPS-based, for example) |
| 21:33.19 | jordanm | Leader: running NTP is not against PCI DSS |
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| 21:33.41 | jelly-home | wait is that stratum 0 or 1, I don't remember |
| 21:34.05 | jordanm | and if it is about PCI DSS, then 443 should certainly be open too :) |
| 21:35.28 | simonlnu | 1 |
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| 21:37.36 | jelly-home | there are decent ready-made ntp servers for $200 or so |
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| 21:38.35 | djdduty | hello, I cannot seem to find the luajit package, does anyone know what it is called? |
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| 21:38.52 | djdduty | on debian.org I found a package called luajit-5.x-dev but aptitude search shows nothing |
| 21:39.11 | abrotman | perhaps it doesn't exist? |
| 21:39.16 | themill | (sid only) |
| 21:39.50 | djdduty | abrotman: debian.org has a page for it =/ |
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| 21:41.17 | echo083 | the best place to define a module i want to load at boot ? |
| 21:41.31 | echo083 | create a file in the /etc/modprobe.d/ folder ? |
| 21:41.44 | djdduty | whatever, Ill just compile it myself. =/ |
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| 21:44.32 | djdduty | ummm |
| 21:44.52 | djdduty | luajit just builds the objects but has no make rule for install :O |
| 21:45.20 | abrotman | djdduty: for your version of Debian ? |
| 21:45.25 | thewanderer1 | how can I configure PPPoE so that it only authenticates and doesn't try to obtain an address, routes, etc? I already have an existing environment and want to go dual-link with PPPoE, but pppoeconf seems to be really intrusive... |
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| 21:45.53 | thewanderer1 | what I want to end up with is a virtual Ethernet device I can send IP over |
| 21:46.15 | gamerscomplete | What are the packages with -dev in the name called? |
| 21:46.30 | abrotman | developement packages |
| 21:46.32 | abrotman | generally |
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| 21:46.56 | gamerscomplete | abrotman: Thanks |
| 21:46.57 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you have two lines to the same ISP and they support ppp multilink? |
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| 21:48.57 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, no. 2 different ISPs, one is PPPoE, another just Ethernet, I don't want PPPoE to mess with anything, not even assign addressing itself. |
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| 21:51.03 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: why not? |
| 21:51.07 | thewanderer1 | I don't know how PPP assigns this address, but I essentially want to forward it to somewhere else and have the PPPoE box function as a mere bridge |
| 21:51.34 | thewanderer1 | so that I can use the public address on a server, rather than on a router |
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| 21:51.49 | jelly-home | and you're going to need to route to somewhere else, and you're going to need a local IP to have a route going from a source |
| 21:52.47 | djdduty | fuuu, hate my life |
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| 21:53.27 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, I don't need a local IP on the bridge box, all I want it to do is authenticate via PPPoE and let other machines behind it enjoy a normal Ethernet |
| 21:53.28 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and then you're going to set up routing with multiple uplinks, or some sort of ip-ip tunneling to an endpoint controlled by yourself and set up load balancing |
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| 21:54.39 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's not how ppp works? |
| 21:54.56 | thewanderer1 | hmmm okay |
| 21:55.23 | thewanderer1 | so it replaces Ethernet and you can't run multiple macs over it? |
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| 21:57.26 | Miesco | WHy does debian use initrd if its deprecated? |
| 21:57.48 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, so it turns out what I should do is bridge the Ethernet segment to the server, and then run PPPoE on the server if I want to have the link there? |
| 21:58.08 | Ball | Hey is there anyway i can, from windows, clone the hard drive from a debian box (motherboard f'ed up), and put it in a virtual box? (to recover the files), or is there any better way to do it? |
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| 21:59.01 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's a common setup yes |
| 21:59.28 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, ok, and assuming the ISP assigns me 3 addresses, what kind of black magic do I have to apply? |
| 21:59.48 | thewanderer1 | would I just get separate VLANs on the CPE or... ? |
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| 22:01.04 | jelly-home | I have no idea whether they give you three endpoints or a /30 or what |
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| 22:01.39 | _davesulllivan | I'm trying to setup forwarding of SSH through ddwrt by forwarding port X to a local computer. It seems to get to the system, but ssh is not allowing the connection. Where can I look to narrow down a solution? Things are fairly default re: openssh and iptables and such. |
| 22:01.49 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, just /32 routes |
| 22:02.17 | jelly-home | and how do they do endpoint to IP assignment? |
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| 22:02.45 | kevlarman | _davesulllivan: what does ssh -vvv say about it? (make sure it originates from outside your network) |
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| 22:02.59 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, well, how would I know? I just connect over PPPoE and get an address :P |
| 22:03.12 | jelly-home | well how do you get the other two |
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| 22:04.49 | thewanderer1 | got just 1 now, wondering the same thing... it's today that I got the idea that PPP has a kind of point-to-point principle, implying I can't bridge it, though, so that clears things up a lot |
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| 22:12.51 | _davesulllivan | kevlarman-- the operation just times out. The reason I think I'm hitting the server is if I connect w/ filezilla, I at least get a 'response fzFStp started' |
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| 22:13.13 | _davesulllivan | but maybe the port just isn't getting forwarded correctly period? |
| 22:13.22 | kevlarman | _davesulllivan: what does nmap have to say about it? |
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| 22:13.43 | kevlarman | _davesulllivan: again, make sure the connection attempts originate from outside the network |
| 22:14.18 | _davesulllivan | they are, nmap sees the router, but shows http, https, and telnet ports as closed and doesn't show the forwarded port for ssh |
| 22:14.40 | kevlarman | i mean like nmap -sS -P0 -v -p22 |
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| 22:14.47 | kevlarman | or whatever port |
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| 22:16.23 | _davesulllivan | host is up, port is filtered, service is ssh, sent 2 packets, received 0 |
| 22:17.27 | kevlarman | filtered = you screwed up port forwarding |
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| 22:18.06 | _davesulllivan | ah, ok |
| 22:18.34 | _davesulllivan | weird, not sure where it would screw up there, supposedly it's not being blocked by my cable company, config looks correct :-/ |
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| 22:36.33 | ampharos | I've successfully installed Debian in VMware, but when I startx, I get garbage in the VM window and then a black screen. |
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| 22:37.27 | jordanm | ampharos: vmware desktop? |
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| 22:38.32 | ampharos | VMware Player |
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| 22:38.38 | ampharos | host is Ubuntu |
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| 22:39.44 | jordanm | ampharos: you likely need to install vmware xorg drivers, ask a vmware channel |
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| 22:40.08 | jordanm | or use something supported like virtualbox or kvm |
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| 22:40.31 | _davesulllivan | ampharos-- can you install vmware tools without gui access? |
| 22:40.51 | ampharos | Probably. I can get a terminal at startup |
| 22:41.04 | _davesulllivan | yeah, try that, i'm pretty sure you can |
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| 22:47.27 | ampharos | Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? |
| 22:47.32 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:47.38 | dvs | I always ask that of my ;prey |
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| 22:56.32 | Wally | So. whats the best .. arm-linux or arm-linux-gnueabi? |
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| 22:58.32 | abrotman | are they both going to work on your hardware? |
| 22:59.02 | Wally | Well the hardware is OpenPandora |
| 22:59.05 | Wally | thats a good question |
| 22:59.09 | Wally | the gnueabi toolchain is generally used |
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| 23:00.04 | Wally | which of course is angstrom |
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| 23:01.25 | Wally | I suppose I should do arm-agnstrom-linux-gnueabi |
| 23:01.28 | Wally | *angstrom |
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| 23:08.07 | ManoftheSea | in trying to build gr-baz on wheezy, I get an error asking for pkg-config. Are these files included in the -dev? |
| 23:08.14 | Wally | Thanks |
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| 23:09.09 | ManoftheSea | hmm, that seems to have worked. Thanks. |
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| 23:21.16 | brookdalealec | So I installed the .deb package for my driver and modprobed it |
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| 23:22.13 | brookdalealec | oh this is a driver for a wireless adapater |
| 23:22.36 | brookdalealec | anyways, I did that, but I'm not sure on how to connect to my WEP connection |
| 23:23.06 | brookdalealec | i did 'ifconfig -a' and wlan0 exists, which i presume is the interface i want |
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| 23:25.14 | abrotman | CLI or GUI ? |
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| 23:30.58 | johndoe | why cant i unmount :( http://pastebin.com/jQk0R0Pu |
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| 23:32.09 | abrotman | what is "arch-toxic" |
| 23:32.43 | johndoe | host machine, has archlinux on it |
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| 23:32.57 | abrotman | so why would you ask #debian ? |
| 23:33.05 | johndoe | because im installing debian in the chroot |
| 23:33.06 | johndoe | :P |
| 23:34.41 | blackswan | i'm switching to wheezy from squeeze. i want to have keyboard shortcuts for 6 workspaces, but keyboard preferences will only show me 4. how do i configure the other two? |
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| 23:35.06 | abrotman | johndoe: did you bindmount something ? |
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| 23:35.17 | abrotman | blackswan: in WHAT? |
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| 23:35.51 | blackswan | in gnome 3, system settings, keyboard, shortcuts |
| 23:36.49 | blackswan | abrotman: is that enough info? |
| 23:37.03 | johndoe | abrotman: nope. but i mounted proc,dev,sys into the chroot http://pastebin.com/NRuh6Xp6 and then installed (aptitude install) basically the whole system inside the chroot |
| 23:37.43 | johndoe | abrotman: apparently i did bindmount |
| 23:37.50 | johndoe | abrotman: sorry |
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| 23:39.58 | abrotman | johndoe: all sorted out ? |
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| 23:40.01 | abrotman | blackswan: let me look |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | did you try the + at the bottom to just add one ? |
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| 23:41.32 | blackswan | yes. what command would i use in that case? that stumped me. |
| 23:41.48 | johndoe | abrotman: ? sorry its kinda late here and im a bit slow |
| 23:41.52 | abrotman | what command? or what text ? |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | johndoe: did you get it unmounted ? |
| 23:42.07 | johndoe | nope |
| 23:42.30 | abrotman | still nothing busy? |
| 23:42.52 | blackswan | when i click the +, a dialog pops up with two text boxes labeled "Name" and "Command" |
| 23:42.53 | johndoe | nothing i can find |
| 23:43.11 | johndoe | maybe i should just ignore it and reboot |
| 23:43.52 | blackswan | i think it wants to let me bind a keystroke to running a command |
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| 23:44.28 | blackswan | which would be spiffy if i had a command to run to switch workspaces (although not as good as having access to the proper shortcut thingy) |
| 23:44.57 | abrotman | blackswan: the command is your keypress |
| 23:46.03 | blackswan | um, okay, well how do i tell it that i want that keypress to mean "switch to workspace 5"? |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | try typing that in the Name ? |
| 23:49.24 | brookdalealec | abrotman: Well, I'm not sure what CLI is but I'm not using a GUI |
| 23:49.46 | brookdalealec | in fact, it's a standard install of debian wheezy with no desktop |
| 23:50.13 | brookdalealec | i then installed some xorg and xserver stuff, then I installed awesome |
| 23:50.21 | brookdalealec | you know, the window manager |
| 23:50.28 | abrotman | right, that's a GUI |
| 23:51.21 | brookdalealec | yes but I'm not sure if there is a network manager for awesome |
| 23:51.34 | ManoftheSea | you could use NetworkManager |
| 23:51.40 | abrotman | there is a GUI network manager called wicd that many people like |
| 23:51.47 | brookdalealec | I will try that out |
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| 23:53.31 | brookdalealec | abrotman: It looks like when i do 'apt-get install wicd', it wants to install 80mb worth of stuff |
| 23:53.41 | brookdalealec | there are some packages with 'gnome' in it |
| 23:53.57 | brookdalealec | I'm not sure if it would conflict with my window manager |
| 23:54.08 | brookdalealec | or would just solely help the program run |
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| 23:55.52 | doublehp | which tool can simulate keyboard strokes ? |
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| 23:57.50 | abrotman | brookdalealec: gnome or gtk packages? |
| 23:57.59 | zykotick9 | abrotman: it makes me very sad to say this but, wicd should almost/is now consider deprecated :(. n-m requires a valid dm, to save passwords - but what if you don't want a dm? |
| 23:57.59 | abrotman | brookdalealec: and it would tell you if it conflicted |
| 23:58.26 | abrotman | zykotick9: i agree, but he's using awesomewm, and wants a minimal system .. he's also using squeeze |
| 23:58.29 | blackswan | abrotman: the answer i sought was: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings switch-to-workspace-5 '["<Super>F5"]' |
| 23:58.37 | abrotman | ouch! |
| 23:59.04 | brookdalealec | abrotman: Both. but i guess your right about conflictions and all, since there were none, so it should be ok to install |
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| 23:59.07 | zykotick9 | abrotman: squeeze is OT here ;) (what i'm using) |
| 23:59.13 | abrotman | it is? |
| 23:59.20 | dvs | heh |
| 23:59.34 | dvs | It's the only one that IS on topic |
| 23:59.38 | zykotick9 | lol - sorry i thought this was #ubuntu ;) my bad! |
