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| 00:02.16 | cedr | wheezy! |
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| 00:02.46 | zykotick9 | abrotman brookdalealec fyi - my use case for wicd-curses is an awesomewm netbook ;) |
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| 00:03.59 | johndoe | abrotman: lazy unmounting did the trick. umount -l :) |
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| 00:48.27 | Xzu_II | Does any body knows something about this, using gladish on debian wheezy:http://pastebin.com/e2LLdc6V |
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| 00:51.32 | blackshirt | i don't play with it before..sorry |
| 00:51.44 | \Jan | xSmurf: do you have python-gobject-cairo installed |
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| 01:06.55 | xSmurf | \Jan: whut? |
| 01:07.12 | \Jan | meant Xzu_II |
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| 01:37.08 | sponji | Hello, I was following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis on setting up a PS3 controller with bluetooth. Everything worked right except, using 'hidd --server --nocheck -n'. Any assistants with this? or a better tutorial? |
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| 01:38.19 | abrotman | what was the error? |
| 01:38.33 | sponji | No error, it just sits there and waits for the connection. |
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| 01:39.53 | sponji | the PS3 controller works fine with usb. |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | did you look in your error logs to see what might be happening? |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | whihc version of bluez-compat does your system have? |
| 01:41.21 | sponji | using /etc/init.d/bluetooth start I get alerts that the ps3 controller is trying to pair. so I know everything it working that far.. but disabling /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop and using hidd --server --nocheck -n and pressing the middle button on the controller, nothing happens. |
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| 01:41.40 | sponji | bluetooth_4.66-3_all.deb |
| 01:41.52 | sponji | I patched it using the tutorial |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | Which version of Linux is this? |
| 01:42.19 | sponji | how do I see which bluetooth package is installed? |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | waves at pseubodot |
| 01:42.33 | sponji | debian 6.0.5 |
| 01:42.55 | abrotman | so you googled "sixaxis Debian squeeze" and it gave you ubuntu instructions which probably don't work for Squeeze? |
| 01:44.15 | sponji | how do I see which bluetooth package is installed? |
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| 01:46.29 | deadmund_ | How can I remove hamster-applet without removing gnome? |
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| 01:53.00 | sneex | This right for wheezy? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | that's one .. though i'd say to use a mirror near you if you can |
| 01:54.13 | sneex | k, but why does it generate an error about Translation EN_US or some such |
| 01:54.47 | sneex | I hate vpn :P |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | try another mirror, see if it does the same |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | where is the system ? |
| 01:55.02 | deadmund_ | I think the problem is that when I reinstalled stable I didn't format the root partition and now i have a bunch of packages that apt doesn't think are there... |
| 01:55.35 | deadmund_ | Maybe I should reinstall and format the root partition and let the installer be normal |
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| 01:56.59 | sneex | abrotman: at work, I thought I captured all notes before I left but the exact errior is missing :( |
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| 01:58.02 | abrotman | .... |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | geographically |
| 01:58.29 | sneex | lol I'm in Fla |
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| 01:59.02 | blackshirt | how principe to build router with debian? |
| 01:59.29 | deadmund_ | extremely principe |
| 01:59.38 | deadmund_ | It's probably the most principe thing you could do with Debian. |
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| 02:00.37 | blackshirt | enable ipforwarding first? |
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| 02:00.52 | blackshirt | Setup masquerade? |
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| 02:01.27 | deadmund_ | blackshirt, i don't think it matters what order you do them in |
| 02:01.31 | deadmund_ | as long as you do both |
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| 02:01.54 | Diopter | blackshirt: You need IP forwarding (which you'll want to enable in /etc/sysctl.conf for persistence), addresses and routing which are appropriate for your interfaces (set in /etc/network/interfaces) and any DNAT/SNAT you may need (install iptables-persistent for a nice way to save/load rules) |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | sneex: there's a UofGA mirror |
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| 02:04.22 | deadmund_ | I'd like to avoid another re-install |
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| 02:06.55 | sneex | yes, I was thinking of hitting all the EDU mirros tommorrow barring that I'll just nuke and reinstall - a clean build would prolly be a good thing at this point; getting squeeze and wheezy togtrher was maybe a bad idea :P |
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| 02:07.43 | abrotman | sneex: yeah, generally not a good plan |
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| 02:15.44 | Xzu_II | \Jan, no gobject- cairo only python-gobject and python-gobject-2 with wheezy package |
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| 02:20.32 | Xzu_II | \jan sorry for latence... |
| 02:20.47 | mrdeb | hi, can u run firefox from mozilla site on 64 bit also?? |
| 02:21.06 | Xzu_II | of course |
| 02:22.23 | mrdeb | Xzu_II: so i can remove iceweasel from 64 bit system and copy firefox to opt and then link andi t will work? |
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| 02:23.00 | Xzu_II | i don't know |
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| 02:23.52 | Boomie | I'm running Debian Squeeze on an eeepc 4g surf, and I a[ppear to be unable to connect to wifi access points using iwconfig. It's not associating with an access-point. Any advice? |
| 02:24.11 | mrdeb | boomie, do u have broadcom or what |
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| 02:24.37 | Boomie | mrdeb: atheros |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | Boomie: uname -r ? |
| 02:25.31 | Boomie | 3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 02:26.09 | mrdeb | ok |
| 02:26.29 | mrdeb | how about wicd-curses |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | Boomie: well, you don't get much newer than that for a Debian-supplied kernel |
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| 02:27.37 | Boomie | mrdeb: wicd not installed; can't install without internet access on that machine. IRC from android right now. |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | do you use WEP? WPA ? |
| 02:28.00 | mrdeb | ok boomie |
| 02:28.06 | \Jan | Boomie: can't you tether the laptop to the phone? |
| 02:28.12 | Boomie | Unsecured network (I know) |
| 02:28.15 | \Jan | That's what I did when I had to set up my wireless |
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| 02:28.32 | abrotman | Boomie: nope, that's fine |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | Boomie: what is the device? |
| 02:28.39 | Boomie | \Jan: that's not viable for a number if reasons. |
| 02:29.15 | Boomie | abrotman: eeepc 4g ssurf, the first eeepc to come out. |
| 02:29.33 | abrotman | i meant .. wlan0 ? |
| 02:29.43 | Boomie | Wlan0, yes. |
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| 02:30.17 | abrotman | and if you use iwlist wlan0 scanning .. anything ? |
| 02:30.43 | Boomie | 11 access points across 7 essids. |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | and you can't attach to any ? |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | so you're trying ot use your interfaces file to do this? |
| 02:31.51 | Boomie | I've tried using interfaces, tried using iwconfig wlan0 essid name channel number |
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| 02:32.29 | abrotman | what did you try in your interfaces file ? |
| 02:32.30 | iluminator105 | i have this print to file that i saved in windows, how do i open it in linux before i print it? |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | what's the format? |
| 02:32.58 | iluminator105 | its saying its a bin file |
| 02:33.43 | iluminator105 | i am not sure to be exact actually |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | use the file command |
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| 02:34.48 | iluminator105 | its a windows xps file |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | okay, so go use google |
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| 02:36.23 | Boomie | Abrotman, http://pastebin.com/7NHdbRWC |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | Boomie: so you used something like "auto wlan0\niface wlan0 inet dhcp\n\twireless-essid yourSSID\n\twireless-key hexkeyhere" ? |
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| 02:36.53 | abrotman | is that really your SSID ? |
| 02:37.03 | Boomie | No, it's filler. |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | oh right, open, you don't need a key |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | leave out the wireless-mode bit |
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| 02:38.44 | jeangab | Hi there I got a problem about graphical output for which I Google have not been my friend. |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | need more details |
| 02:40.00 | abrotman | Boomie: is there an error in dmesg ? |
| 02:40.47 | jeangab | The card is a GeForce 6150 and it gives absolutely no output after Grub's buffer end. Even going in tty I have nothing. I can though login and enter commands blindly but I think I have no network. |
| 02:41.19 | jeangab | Will dmesg > dmesg.txt but have to reboot to read it |
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| 02:41.43 | abrotman | wasn't for you |
| 02:42.08 | jeangab | ok sorry just joined |
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| 02:43.22 | Lis | Hello everyone. Is it possible to install google-chrome alongside chromium? |
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| 02:45.47 | jeangab | Lis: quite sure it is. After all you can have firefox and firefox-beta. why not chrome and chromium? They are installed in different folders if regular. To be verified though. |
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| 02:48.53 | sencha | I compiled a custom kernel for debian and with it, my USB keyboard doesn't work at the login area when it boots up (first virtual terminal) |
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| 02:48.56 | sencha | any idea what I'm missing? |
| 02:49.14 | un214 | anybody else having this problem where hibernate doesn't resume on wheezy? |
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| 02:50.26 | Boomie | ... |
| 02:50.40 | Lis | welcome to internet... |
| 02:50.47 | simonlnu | dumb ass.... |
| 02:51.29 | simonlnu | staff wouldn't do it that way... |
| 02:52.02 | Boomie | abrotman: dmesg says "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
| 02:52.33 | Lis | sencha: you compiled the kernel with what? Didnt i get the whole conversation?!? |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | Boomie: rfkill switch busted? |
| 02:53.02 | sencha | Lis, let me rephrase |
| 02:53.10 | Boomie | abrotman: how would I check? |
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| 02:53.21 | abrotman | look through dmesg for a bi tmore |
| 02:53.26 | sencha | Lis, I compiled a custom kernel and now my keyboard doesn't work when the computer boots up to a virtual terminal (so I can't login, or startx, etc) |
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| 02:54.30 | Devastator | sencha can't you run the old kernel? |
| 02:54.43 | sencha | Devastator, yes, but I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't work |
| 02:54.58 | sencha | the same kernel works on Slackware |
| 02:55.05 | Devastator | you compiled yourself, right? |
| 02:55.11 | sencha | yes |
| 02:55.26 | Lis | un214: i had a similar problem once with another distribution if i remember correctly. Try googling for something like that: "linux no resume hibernate" i by myselfe solved it by just updating the kernel... but that was a long time ago |
| 02:55.30 | Devastator | and you also know this is not debian's way, correct? |
| 02:56.02 | sencha | Devastator, correct, but I assumed using the debian way was just a suggestion |
| 02:56.36 | Devastator | well, debian tries to make things easier, in that case it is a suggestion |
| 02:56.51 | sencha | Devastator, the bigger issue I'm working on with debian is that it's significantly slower than Slackware on the same machine |
| 02:57.15 | sencha | tabs in chrome load slower; games are significantly slower (by like 100 FPS) |
| 02:57.20 | un214 | Lis: well it started a couple weeks ago |
| 02:57.28 | Lis | un214: If I remember correctly some hardware components where not recognized corretly. Maybe also try to search for your chipset model and search weather someone has similar problems |
| 02:57.30 | un214 | right after an update to the kernel |
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| 02:57.39 | sencha | top doesn't report anything taking up major CPU |
| 02:57.52 | Devastator | but i guess, compiling a kernel by yourself, you won't get much help here, perhaps #kernel?! |
| 02:58.14 | sencha | Devastator, well, I don't mind using the stock kernel, but I'm just trying to figure out why Debian is slower |
| 02:58.27 | Lis | un214: ah well try to make a diff oldkernconfig newkernconfig to test if they modified some configurations which brought you that problem |
| 02:58.51 | Devastator | sencha what's your graphics card? |
| 02:59.01 | sencha | Devastator, nvidia 9800 GTX+ |
| 02:59.18 | Devastator | sencha are you using proprietary driver or noveau? |
| 02:59.43 | sencha | Devastator, Xonotic, for example, runs at, easily, 150-250 FPS on Slackware. On Debian, it's stutters and goes down below 60 FPS at times |
| 02:59.52 | sencha | Devastator, proprietary |
| 03:00.03 | jeangab | Vertical-Sync? |
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| 03:00.18 | sencha | I've disabled vertical sync |
| 03:00.26 | Devastator | sencha have you tried noveau? I think proprietary isn't supported here as well |
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| 03:00.41 | sencha | I've even used the same .xonotic config directory to no avail |
| 03:00.52 | sencha | Devastator, the proprietary driver isn't supported as well with Debian? |
| 03:01.24 | somiaj | sencha: you have to get it from debian non-free and due to how debian freezes things you will have to use squeeze-backports if you want a newer version of the kernel and nivida drivers |
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| 03:01.48 | Devastator | sencha here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 03:01.49 | un214 | Lis: they're both wheezy packages |
| 03:01.54 | somiaj | even with nouveau you may find you need a backported kernel to get good acceleration since the kernel in squeeze stable is early in nouveaus history |
| 03:02.18 | sencha | I'm running debian-testing |
| 03:02.35 | sencha | it has around the same kernel version as Slackware and even has a newer nvidia driver |
| 03:02.41 | penrod | greetings: where did the "old stable" aka lenny go ? |
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| 03:03.15 | Devastator | penrod archive.debian.org |
| 03:03.24 | dvs | !tell penrod about lenny |
| 03:04.49 | penrod | dvs: I know about Lenny, I have 9 other servers running lenny, this is one I haven't gotten too as it is 4 hours away, soon I hope, thanks kindly |
| 03:05.02 | dvs | np |
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| 03:06.32 | Lis | un214: If you install the kernel-headers package of the older kernel and your current kernel you will also install the kernel configuration file which hold the information about the modules build for that kernel, or if some modules are deprecated etc. you can use the diff tool to find out what they modified. You then may have to (re)install additional packaged modules. But I suggest you use google first http://goo.gl/D3Dcr |
| 03:08.47 | Lis | u214: ah and look weather there are some unknow hardware componets by analyzing dmesg |
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| 03:13.18 | Lis | indeed google chrome works without problems alongside chromium. And it also has adobe flash preinstalled. |
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| 03:26.15 | xui2 | i know i can run chroot /mnt/ command although i can't do that with export... i think that is because it isn't bash- or i need to specify it somehow |
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| 03:33.25 | tinkster | in the debian world, how do I make changes actioned by use of "ip add ..." permanent? The background for this question: the server has been dual-homed in two subnets; machines on the subnet the new, 2ndry interface is in talk at the box via its DNS name (on the primary interface) and get their answers back on the new interface ... I think I know how to fix that, but don't know how to make the fix permanent in a compliant debian manner ... slapping a b |
| 03:33.26 | tinkster | unch of ip commands into /etc/rc.local is going against the grain :} |
| 03:35.23 | Lis | tinkster, ls /etc/network |
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| 03:36.22 | Lis | tinkster, and here is a wikipage with more details http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 03:38.24 | Diopter | tinkster: /etc/network/interfaces can do multihoming. |
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| 03:40.27 | denwz | The firmware for my bnx2x appears to have been upgraded and now will not work |
| 03:40.41 | denwz | if I ifconfig eth0 up, it says it cannot load the firmware |
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| 03:41.05 | denwz | the version it lists is not waht is in /lib/firmware/bnx2x |
| 03:41.05 | Devastator | denwz squeeze? |
| 03:41.10 | denwz | wheezy |
| 03:41.22 | Devastator | thought so |
| 03:42.25 | denwz | its looking for 7.0.23.0 vice 7.0.29.0 in /lib/firmware |
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| 03:42.58 | Gargantua | Anyone know any chanels on freenode that deal with security? Getting a bunch of rkhunter warnings here. |
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| 03:45.02 | Gargantua | http://gargantua.codelove.org/rkhunter.txt if anyone's interested in helping me out. |
| 03:45.24 | denwz | Devastator, ever run into that before? |
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| 03:48.30 | Devastator | denwz no, not really |
| 03:48.58 | denwz | thanks |
| 03:49.12 | Devastator | denwz you might get more help at #debian-next @ oftc |
| 03:49.27 | denwz | Devastator, thanks mate |
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| 03:49.37 | Gargantua | Anyone? this is kind of important... |
| 03:50.01 | emss | what is rkhunter? |
| 03:50.27 | Diopter | rootkit hunter |
| 03:50.28 | Gargantua | It's an integrity checker |
| 03:50.33 | emss | ah i see |
| 03:51.17 | emss | how could rkhunter reliably detect a rootkit? |
| 03:51.26 | Gargantua | Checksums. |
| 03:51.45 | emss | oh nevermind running rkhunter on another machine :) |
| 03:52.27 | aBound | They also have another utility 'Chkrootkit' can't say if it's more reliable than rkhunter is. |
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| 03:54.57 | Gargantua | Warning: The command '/sbin/chkconfig' has been replaced by a script: /sbin/chkconfig: a /usr/bin/perl script text |
| 03:55.00 | Gargantua | +executable |
| 03:55.02 | Gargantua | People say a lot of things :) |
| 03:56.24 | emss | Gargantua go download the package that contains the /sbin/chkconfig file make sure the package checksum matches and compare the two files :) |
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| 03:57.36 | emss | Gargantua `dpkg --search /sbin/chkconfig' |
| 03:58.38 | emss | seems to be in package chkconfig :) |
| 03:58.53 | aBound | Is there an alternative command to the command named: 'find'?!? |
| 03:58.58 | Gargantua | Did you see the warnings? |
| 03:59.05 | Gargantua | aBound: locate. |
| 03:59.06 | emss | aBound locate |
| 03:59.14 | Gargantua | It works differently, though, check the man. |
| 03:59.30 | emss | aBound ls -R | grep |
| 03:59.34 | aBound | There will go I remember that command been trying to remember what the name of it was. |
| 04:00.00 | aBound | I like how I can type something like: locate kernel.h and shows me a list of directories. |
| 04:00.02 | emss | Gargantua yes i looked at your url |
| 04:00.12 | aBound | Thanks guys. |
| 04:00.28 | Gargantua | It uses to run without warnings. |
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| 04:00.45 | emss | Gargantua have you updated your machine? |
| 04:01.02 | Gargantua | http://gargatua.codelove.org/okay |
| 04:01.03 | Gargantua | Yes. |
| 04:01.03 | emss | installed new programs which may have installed/updated packages etc. |
| 04:01.08 | Gargantua | But look at the file targetted. |
| 04:01.10 | Gargantua | files* |
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| 04:02.29 | emss | that link does not work |
| 04:02.49 | Gargantua | Woops |
| 04:02.55 | Gargantua | http://gargantua.codelove.org/okay |
| 04:03.11 | Gargantua | I've updated a lot of packages on the rkhunter list, none of them give warnings. |
| 04:03.22 | Gargantua | So I must assume it knows what it's doing |
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| 04:04.09 | aBound | Hmm, looks like there's a rkhunter release for 1.4.0 came out May 1st. |
| 04:04.14 | emss | is the rkhunter database updated? |
| 04:04.42 | emss | i will be back |
| 04:04.50 | Gargantua | emss: I did not update procps |
| 04:04.58 | Gargantua | Or sysvinit |
| 04:05.10 | Gargantua | Just look at the log, something's clearly wrong. |
| 04:05.13 | Gargantua | Top, ps, last, w |
| 04:05.16 | aBound | http://rkhunter.sourceforge.net/ added some new rootkit checks. |
| 04:05.20 | Gargantua | Sysv stuff. |
| 04:05.38 | aBound | I'm running 1.3.8. |
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| 04:15.40 | tinkster | Lis, Diopter neither the man-page for interfaces, nor the web-page Lis posted make any mention of using multiple routes. |
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| 04:17.23 | Diopter | tinkster: What precisely are you trying to do? Multiple routes or multiple routing tables (policy routing)? |
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| 04:19.18 | tinkster | I need policy routing |
| 04:19.46 | tinkster | machines on our 141 subnet talk to the server via its interface in the 135 subnet |
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| 04:20.05 | tinkster | currently the server answers via its 2ndry interface, which is in 141 also |
| 04:20.24 | tinkster | and things don't work to well for the clients |
| 04:20.36 | Diopter | tinkster: So you need to add another routing table and add the routing rule to lookup the secondary table based on source network, yes? |
| 04:20.43 | tinkster | pings worked, but actual IP traffic, like HTTP don't |
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| 04:20.51 | tinkster | Yah |
| 04:20.57 | Diopter | pings are IP traffic, for reference. |
| 04:21.02 | tinkster | and I know how to do that on command-line |
| 04:21.03 | Diopter | If they're working, then you don't have a routing issue |
| 04:21.30 | tinkster | Hmmm ... |
| 04:21.38 | tinkster | I wonder what the problem is, then |
| 04:21.48 | Diopter | If HTTP isn't working but ICMP is, you either have a filtering issue somewhere, some sort of selective NAT or when you say "HTTP isn't working" what you really mean is "My webservice/site isn't doing what I expect" |
| 04:22.00 | aBound | HA! I can't seem to find the source code for chkrootkit anywhere. :P |
| 04:22.06 | Diopter | aBound: Must be a rootkit. |
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| 04:22.58 | Diopter | tinkster: Try curl -I http://<ip>, for instance |
| 04:23.00 | tinkster | Diopter, I see traffic hitting the server on 80, but no responses getting to the client |
| 04:23.23 | tinkster | I used good old-fashioned telnet IP 80, and issued a GET |
| 04:23.33 | tinkster | Or rather, didn't get to issue a get |
| 04:23.41 | aBound | Diopter, Seems they removed it from sourceforge and it's official site blah. |
| 04:23.45 | tinkster | connection timed out, w/ requests on the server registering |
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| 04:24.36 | Diopter | tinkster: So, describe your network topology to me again. Your clients are on 141, and the server is on both 141 and 135, on two separate interfaces. |
| 04:24.47 | tinkster | yes |
| 04:25.06 | Diopter | tinkster: But the 135 server interface is connected to the same L2 broadcast domain as the 141 clients, while the 141 server interface isn't? |
| 04:25.08 | tinkster | and it's web-services are pushed out on 135 |
| 04:25.25 | Diopter | How are the clients on 141 getting to the server on 135? |
| 04:25.32 | Diopter | Is there a router inbetween routing them there? |
| 04:25.47 | tinkster | we have a big fat router in the middle |
| 04:26.08 | Diopter | Ok. |
| 04:26.20 | Diopter | Why isn't the 141 interface hosting the services? |
| 04:27.04 | Diopter | Your use-case for policy routing seems weak, and able to be solved a lot more simply. |
| 04:27.06 | tinkster | because it was meant to be a layer of isolation ... I guess I could give it a DNS entry and tell people to use that instead |
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| 04:28.18 | tinkster | So you think that the router must be causing the issues as ICMP worked, but HTTP didn't? |
| 04:28.45 | tinkster | right |
| 04:29.08 | tinkster | I verified that I can happily access the web-service if I point a client at the 141 address |
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| 04:29.17 | tinkster | meh |
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| 04:30.04 | Diopter | Also, the fact ICMP works when HTTP doesn't is very strange as both require proper IP routing. |
| 04:30.04 | Diopter | Sounds like this "big fat router" in the middle has its own policies for routing different traffic |
| 04:31.07 | tinkster | I better ring their support, then ... |
| 04:31.23 | Gargantua | Who's good with bashfu? I need a shell line that prints the files in /proc but not showing up in ps ax. |
| 04:32.04 | tinkster | while the thing is capable of layer 7 package inspection its rules for the subnets are currently set to allow any any for those two subnets |
| 04:32.37 | tinkster | the fact that http disappears makes me itchy =o) |
| 04:32.58 | Diopter | tinkster: Do you have a shell on both boxes? |
| 04:33.07 | Diopter | tinkster: You could test some things simply with netcat |
| 04:33.12 | tinkster | yah |
| 04:33.15 | tinkster | and I could |
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| 04:42.56 | emss | Gargantua what files in /proc? |
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| 04:44.29 | zarac | Yo folks! ;) |
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| 04:46.53 | TSE | hello |
| 04:47.10 | TSE | can somebody direct me to any site or tutorials where I can learn how to get the root cause of snmp going to segfault? Btw, this is the message I got from dmesg: segfault at 0 ip b763e81f sp bfc865a0 error 6 in libnetsnmpmibs.so.15.1.0[b7581000+10c000] |
| 04:47.44 | Diopter | TSE: A good place to start is strace/gdb. Learning how to use them |
| 04:48.38 | TSE | Diopter: Thanks, let me look into that. |
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| 04:50.10 | Tordek | hi |
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| 04:51.09 | Tordek | will 3.4/3.5 kernels be in wheezy? where can I look at if versions will be added or stuff like that? |
| 04:51.58 | kevlarman | Tordek: i'm assuming they'll be in backports once wheezy has a backports |
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| 04:58.36 | tinkster | thx Diopter |
| 04:58.38 | tinkster | later all |
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| 04:59.32 | ectospasm | Tordek: since wheezy is now frozen, 3.4/3.5 kernels will only be available in wheezy-backports, when it's available. |
| 05:00.19 | Tordek | oh, I thought wheezy was going to be rolling |
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| 05:02.10 | ectospasm | Tordek: no, sid is the rolling release... |
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| 05:03.11 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell Tordek about freeze |
| 05:03.50 | Tordek | possum |
| 05:03.57 | Tordek | thanks ectospasm and kevlarman :) |
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| 05:37.04 | drigolli4r | hi debian |
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| 06:05.00 | hotwings | how do i see _all_ the messages that are displayed on boot? im using debian testing. one of my init scripts is failing but i cant see the error cuz the screen clears to login prompt too quickly |
| 06:05.40 | ectospasm | hotwings: shift+PgUp doesn't work for you? |
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| 06:07.18 | hotwings | ectospasm - no keyboard connected. sorry, should have mentioned im using ssh only on that box |
| 06:07.34 | hotwings | im not physically near the box |
| 06:09.01 | ectospasm | then how do you know you're getting errors on boot? If it's not in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog... |
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| 06:10.04 | hotwings | the box is connected to a monitor about 200ft from its physical location |
| 06:10.10 | k-man | is it a good idea to use tripwire or systraq to monitor my server for unwanted file changes? |
| 06:10.36 | ectospasm | k-man: I dunno about systraq, but I use tripwire for that purpose on my VPS, works quite well. |
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| 06:10.51 | k-man | ectospasm, ok thanks |
| 06:11.21 | Losowski | install bootlogd |
| 06:12.31 | ectospasm | hotwings: ^ |
| 06:13.30 | Losowski | brb |
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| 06:15.30 | hotwings | thanks, that worked |
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| 06:16.50 | prolapseparty | My parents had a similar problem, a house became available in their neighborhood and we both were terrified a nigger might be able to aquire a home loan and actually buy it. luckily it was sold to a handicapped human lady and worked out ok. If niggers are trying to move in your neighborhood, you have to put a stop to it right away or it will surely turn into a slum. If you are able, you might make it clear right away that yo |
| 06:16.50 | prolapseparty | u dont like niggers. My dad had an old shed by his property line and spray painted KKK, and "Not here Niggers" on it. We are not KKK supporters but we were trying to think of something short and to the point to deter a potential nigger buyer. I suggest if possible you do the same. I realize that not everyone can be so blatant due to social pressures etc. In our situation my familys neighbors have been friends for 30+ years a |
| 06:16.50 | prolapseparty | nd they were all on board with keeping out baboons. Can you get your neighbors support if necessary? I know its not something you can just waltz over and ask (or maybe you can I dont know) but you might be surprised if they are retired and older. No one wants to live next to a band of apes. |
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| 06:17.34 | bwf | wtf |
| 06:17.56 | bwf | what's with all the freaking racists on freenode |
| 06:18.03 | ectospasm | just trolls |
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| 06:20.53 | fredl | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 06:20.53 | fredl | root@nl01:~# >/var/www/lala |
| 06:20.54 | fredl | -bash: /var/www/lala: Permission denied |
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| 06:21.07 | fredl | sowwy |
| 06:21.24 | fredl | did that get through though? |
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| 06:55.25 | uygggfgdh | First or best nigger joke you ever heard. |
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| 06:55.37 | uygggfgdh | I love your avatar, cal the AMBERlamps...I have an oldie but a goodie and I think one of my favorite |
| 06:55.38 | uygggfgdh | What's the difference between dog shit and niggers? |
| 06:55.38 | uygggfgdh | When dog shit gets old it turns White and quits stinking. |
| 06:55.38 | uygggfgdh | How do you get a nigger out of a tree? |
| 06:55.38 | uygggfgdh | Cut the rope. |
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| 06:55.49 | uygggfgdh | Best one I've ever heard to this day is the one about the Chinese guy and the nigger bartender. It's on here in a few different forms but it's all in the delivery. My father first told it to me when I was a kid and I just about pissed my pants laughing. I've cracked up liberals with it over the years in spite of themselves. |
| 06:55.57 | uygggfgdh | When I was just a lurker on this board I kept wondering why no one had chosen my particular handle and avatar so I finally did something about it. |
| 06:55.58 | uygggfgdh | Those two jokes are classics! Love 'em! |
| 06:56.06 | uygggfgdh | I have many nigger jokes that I absolutely love, but I'll share a true classic here... |
| 06:56.06 | uygggfgdh | Q- What's the difference between BATMAN and a BLACK MAN? |
| 06:56.06 | uygggfgdh | A- BATMAN can go out all night without ROBBIN' |
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| 06:56.16 | uygggfgdh | What's long black and smelly? |
| 06:56.16 | uygggfgdh | The welfare line. |
| 06:56.22 | uygggfgdh | First one I ever heard was the "velcro on the ceiling" one back when I was 8 or 9 yrs old. |
| 06:56.23 | uygggfgdh | My favorite is the "Then, I'll have a coke" one. |
| 06:56.23 | uygggfgdh | Sent From My Sail Foam Using TapaNigga 2 |
| 06:56.28 | dizzylizzy | why do people spam this channel like this |
| 06:56.29 | dizzylizzy | it doesn't make sense |
| 06:56.32 | dizzylizzy | what do they get out of it |
| 06:56.32 | uygggfgdh | Q: What's black, covered in bubbles, and taps on glass? |
| 06:56.32 | uygggfgdh | A: A baby nigger in a microwave. |
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| 07:01.30 | ffhrer4reg | I might have read this one on CO... can't remember. |
| 07:01.32 | ffhrer4reg | A muslim, white guy, & a nigger walk into a bar |
| 07:01.32 | ffhrer4reg | bartender looks up and says, "what can I get you Mr. president?" |
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| 07:01.47 | ffhrer4reg | The one thing that stands out in terms of humour would be from when I was a little boy. It was during some discussion my folks were having with visiting friends that my Dad said, "Idi Amin* is my favourite kaffir." When everyone looked at him with raised eyebrows, he said, "he's killing other kaffirs faster than we can kill them." |
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| 07:01.57 | ffhrer4reg | Q. What do you call a nigger with a wooden leg? |
| 07:01.59 | ffhrer4reg | A. Shit on a stick. |
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| 07:22.25 | ffdfdfdfd | Dumb sow chimps out near me at Sonic (hamburger joint) |
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| 07:22.36 | ffdfdfdfd | If you want the spam to stop |
| 07:22.39 | ffdfdfdfd | tell #freenode |
| 07:22.41 | ffdfdfdfd | to do something |
| 07:22.44 | ffdfdfdfd | about snardbafulator |
| 07:22.47 | ffdfdfdfd | now! |
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| 07:23.34 | nevyn | !ops |
| 07:23.34 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 07:23.48 | nevyn | !ops spam |
| 07:23.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nevyn complains about: spam |
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| 07:23.58 | thomas | nevyn: he's been klined. |
| 07:24.00 | nevyn | ah |
| 07:24.19 | heroxbd | hi, is it possible to monitor the ipv6 flow rate of a certain interface? |
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| 07:25.10 | gsdgdsfg | Dumb sow chimps out near me at Sonic (hamburger joint) |
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| 07:40.25 | fghfdgfds | Crippled nigger COONtact at bank today DISTURBING |
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| 07:40.25 | fghfdgfds | wondering what was going on. This is where it gets disturbing. These was some evil ju ju shit, she had toddler arms. Thats right, grown 200 lb body and tiny shrunken toddler arms with deformed fingers fused together into a hideous mockery of hands. While she punched it in she would grunt and after she was done she stood back and waited for her Gov't money she flailed her nubs around. I was so |
| 07:40.25 | fghfdgfds | shocked, her mammy must have smoked something while she was pregnant, this is like a two headed snake or the deformed frog. I stopped a good 5 feet from her to just watch like a car wreck it was too hideous to look away. Now we have zombie niggers on bath salts, deformed niggers, and nodding niggers. Maybe natural selection is starting to rear its head? I waited for her to walk away and used |
| 07:40.25 | fghfdgfds | my pocket purell to wipe down the machine, when she saw me she chimped out "you tink this b contagious?" Now I can never shut up, so I said, " I sure as hell hope not, I just threw up in my mouth." And then I started laughing so hard I had tears running down my eyes because she started flailing her toddler arms and in a last act of defiance she used to mutated fingers to flip me off. I caused |
| 07:40.25 | fghfdgfds | a cat 5 chimpout and wasnt even trying. |
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| 07:40.27 | Iridos | wtf, is it retard-day again already? |
| 07:40.57 | gnarface | Iridos: yes |
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| 07:42.08 | Iridos | and he got 5 lines! |
| 07:43.20 | Calinou | lol. |
| 07:43.33 | jelly-home | stephan48: automatically create users based on which source for users that ought to or ought not exist? |
| 07:43.34 | peterrooney | is there a tool in debian to locate irc spammers and set their printers on fire? |
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| 07:43.35 | Iridos | well, shoulda been kicked on line 4 |
| 07:43.43 | Calinou | peterrooney, /ignore |
| 07:43.43 | dax | peterrooney: unfortunately not |
| 07:46.44 | boudiccas | as it seems to be the same people coming back time and time again, then spamming the channel, sirely the ops can just set up a ban on their hostmask so that they cant join? |
| 07:46.57 | boudiccas | surely |
| 07:47.15 | Calinou | dynamic IPs exist (fortunately, sometimes) |
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| 07:47.55 | dax | boudiccas: check their hostmasks and note that they change each time |
| 07:48.47 | jelly-home | stephan48: there are tools like pam_mkhomedir or pam-mount but they still presume a valid user database somewhere (eg. remote ldap) |
| 07:48.49 | Iridos | not even same range, I thought... so perhaps proxies |
| 07:48.59 | dax | Iridos: indeed |
| 07:50.02 | Calinou | best way to deal with spam is to not take it like "OMG U GRIEFET MY HOUSE", imo. |
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| 07:51.17 | drigollier | hi all |
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| 07:52.25 | Losowski | Cheers drigollier |
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| 07:53.47 | stephan48 | jelly-home: we use low uid system users here for our admin accounts, now when these are not existent(Based on username), i want to create them |
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| 07:54.35 | jelly-home | precreate them in advance |
| 07:55.00 | jelly-home | or use a shared user db |
| 07:55.49 | stephan48 | i wanted to avoid precreation :) |
| 07:55.58 | stephan48 | hoping i could make my debian package do it |
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| 07:56.05 | Iridos | is this leading to a discussion about "intelligent design"? |
| 07:56.46 | stephan48 | shared user db is not feasible because the servers have nothing in common and should work independingly of a central db server |
| 07:56.54 | Iridos | anyway you didn't answer the question about the source of users |
| 07:57.30 | Iridos | or perhaps "interesting design" :P |
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| 07:58.26 | stephan48 | Iridos: source of users? |
| 07:58.32 | stephan48 | interesting design? |
| 07:58.32 | Iridos | yes |
| 07:58.32 | jelly-home | stephan48: obviously they have your admin accounts in common |
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| 07:59.05 | Iridos | <jelly-home> stephan48: automatically create users based on which source for users that ought to or ought not exist? |
| 07:59.14 | jelly-home | stephan48: you can also push changes via a configuration mgt system instead of doing them in advance |
| 07:59.59 | stephan48 | then i dont seem to understand the question jelly-home/Inridos |
| 08:00.20 | stephan48 | we arent using one ;) |
| 08:00.36 | Iridos | how would you/the machine know if a user "has to exist" or not |
| 08:00.47 | jelly-home | stephan48: I'm not sure if you can plug user creation into PAM and what sense it would make -- if you know the list of accounts to be created this way and you plan to put it in a package, you may as well let that package create them at install time |
| 08:01.08 | stephan48 | "if you know the list of accounts to be created this way and you plan to put it in a package, you may as well let that package create them at install time |
| 08:01.12 | jelly-home | instead of at login time |
| 08:01.14 | stephan48 | exactly what i want |
| 08:01.28 | stephan48 | sorry if i worded my initial question/responses a bit badly |
| 08:01.36 | jelly-home | stephan48: what's the problem, then? |
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| 08:01.54 | Iridos | hehe |
| 08:01.58 | jelly-home | make a package, put whatever you want in it, let it create users |
| 08:02.01 | stephan48 | i dont know whats the common practice for postinst/postrm to create/delete users |
| 08:02.02 | Iridos | jelly-home, mis-communication :) |
| 08:02.16 | stephan48 | like, howto actually do it |
| 08:02.33 | jelly-home | grep adduser /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst |
| 08:03.17 | jelly-home | setting authentication tokens (passwords, pubkey auth) is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 08:03.48 | nevyn | stephan48: if you're going to do that... it might be worth assigning fixed uid/gid's to the users in the postinst |
| 08:03.57 | nevyn | we do this with puppet |
| 08:04.14 | jelly-home | but they don't HAVE puppet! |
| 08:04.23 | jelly-home | *arms wailing* |
| 08:04.30 | nevyn | oh right. |
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| 08:04.50 | stephan48 | jelly-home: oh the package already installs the corresponding sshkeys/sshconfig, just the user creation was missing |
| 08:05.16 | jelly-home | right, then the magic keyword is "adduser" |
| 08:05.20 | stephan48 | thanks so far for your help |
| 08:05.32 | nevyn | stephan48: baking users into a package is almost certainly a terrible idea tho |
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| 08:06.50 | jelly-home | stephan48: also, chpasswd |
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| 08:08.32 | nevyn | stephan48: how are you going to delete accounts when people leave? |
| 08:08.59 | nevyn | what about password management (what happens when one of these users sets their password?) |
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| 08:10.07 | stephan48 | we currently use pwless accounts with keyfile auth, the first step is to remove the keyfile, and the second to replace the users shell |
| 08:11.01 | nevyn | how do you prevent someone just setting a password on their account? |
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| 08:11.26 | nevyn | are you going to allow sudo without password? |
| 08:11.33 | nevyn | or not allow these users to sudo? |
| 08:11.53 | stephan48 | we dont use sudo |
| 08:12.17 | stephan48 | we first force sshkey based login and then users have to su to get root perms |
| 08:12.17 | nevyn | ok. |
| 08:12.37 | nevyn | and everyone knows the root password? |
| 08:12.46 | stephan48 | ye |
| 08:12.56 | stephan48 | its also changed when someone leaves |
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| 08:14.02 | nevyn | stephan48: so you never delete old admin accounts or you delete them after 3/6months or something? |
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| 08:15.34 | stephan48 | nevyn: no they will be disabled & deleted after a certain time |
| 08:16.56 | nevyn | stephan48: so pushing accounts with packages feels wrong to me but it sounds like it might work for you. |
| 08:17.23 | nevyn | stephan48: I really think one of the cm solutions would be more sane. |
| 08:17.47 | stephan48 | sure |
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| 08:19.28 | stephan48 | currently we have more important things on the watch before we can simplify stuff in that regards |
| 08:19.33 | nevyn | puppet/chef/cfengine |
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| 08:20.29 | stephan48 | *looks annoyed at that old debian sarge sitting around in the evil internet* i am already proposing much stuff here :) |
| 08:20.44 | nevyn | stephan48: I also dislike the vanish into privilaged land of su - root |
| 08:20.57 | nevyn | where you know someone escellated but that's all you know |
| 08:21.21 | stephan48 | we basically got 2 admins(me and my boss) |
| 08:21.31 | stephan48 | so either the one broke it or the other |
| 08:21.36 | nevyn | sudo aptitude update or sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces give much more useful clues of what someone might have done and where to start when it goes SNAFU |
| 08:21.59 | stephan48 | but what prevents someone from doing sudo su -? |
| 08:22.21 | stephan48 | this way you atleast need to know 2 passwords to break stuff |
| 08:22.27 | stephan48 | 1) keyfile password 2) root password |
| 08:22.36 | nevyn | so there's another problem |
| 08:22.44 | nevyn | keyfile passwords arn't enforceable |
| 08:22.51 | stephan48 | sure |
| 08:22.57 | stephan48 | but are set here |
| 08:23.14 | stephan48 | with sudo you need only the account password which is changeable upon gaining keyfile pw |
| 08:23.25 | nevyn | nuh-uh. |
| 08:23.31 | stephan48 | or no pw |
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| 08:23.36 | nevyn | so the account password is in ldap |
| 08:23.37 | gfhjrhtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.37 | gfhjrhtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.37 | gfhjrhtr | stay in the Navy and her reply was "I have no desire to work for that nigger commander and chief". I wanted to laugh so hard but I had to keep composure while at attention. So hard!!!! |
| 08:23.37 | gfhjrhtr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:23.49 | stephan48 | nevyn: nope |
| 08:24.20 | stephan48 | nevyn: simple local old fashioned passwd/shadow storage |
| 08:24.24 | nevyn | so local passwords are a disaster. |
| 08:24.44 | nevyn | compliance with rotation/complexity/ageing stuff will send you grey |
| 08:25.13 | nevyn | compliance with rotation/complexity/ageing stuff will send you grey |
| 08:25.16 | nevyn | bleh |
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| 08:26.01 | nyuszika7h | Hi, what is the best way to drop root privileges from a shell script? |
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| 08:26.26 | nyuszika7h | (e.g. for building, I want to write a script that would run in crontab and make install needs root privileges) |
| 08:26.39 | boudiccas | nyuszika7h: actually /in/ the script? ask in #bash they're knowledgeable |
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| 08:26.49 | nyuszika7h | Yes, in |
| 08:27.07 | nyuszika7h | I guess I'll have to /part a channel |
| 08:27.17 | nyuszika7h | "#bash: You have joined too many channels" |
| 08:27.17 | jason404 | I cannot rename file extensions, even though this is what I see advised on the web---> rename .JPG .jpg *.JPG |
| 08:27.21 | jason404 | why doesn;t that work? |
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| 08:27.39 | boudiccas | nyuszika7h: now i've never seen that before! |
| 08:27.50 | dax | jason404: because there's more than one version of rename floating around, and debian doesn't use the one that example does |
| 08:27.51 | nyuszika7h | boudiccas: I'm in 120 channels :P |
| 08:27.53 | dax | jason404: see man rename |
| 08:28.11 | nyuszika7h | jason404: rename 's/\.JPG$/.jpg/' *.JPG |
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| 08:28.13 | nyuszika7h | I think |
| 08:28.30 | jason404 | thanks dax, nyuszika7h |
| 08:28.37 | nyuszika7h | You're welcome :) |
| 08:28.41 | nyuszika7h | TIL there is a rename command |
| 08:29.02 | jason404 | nyuszika7h: That worked. cheers |
| 08:29.09 | nyuszika7h | :) |
| 08:29.23 | stephan48 | nevyn: one of the many problems |
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| 08:29.55 | nyuszika7h | Wait, wheezy frozen with RC versions of things like Python... will it be released like that? |
| 08:30.00 | nevyn | yep |
| 08:30.12 | nevyn | well not if the rc has bugs |
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| 08:30.29 | nyuszika7h | sid has Python 2.7.3 final I think |
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| 08:30.39 | nyuszika7h | ,versions sid |
| 08:30.40 | judd | No package named 'sid' was found in i386. |
| 08:30.41 | nyuszika7h | I mean |
| 08:30.43 | nyuszika7h | ,versions python |
| 08:30.44 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-1 |
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| 08:31.14 | jason404 | If I build a new server with wheezy testing, would it eventually be updated to be the same as a fresh wheezy stable. once it is released? |
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| 08:32.04 | bardzusny | yes |
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| 08:32.25 | bardzusny | which doesn't mean that setting up production server on wheezy is a good idea |
| 08:32.37 | jason404 | bardzusny: thanks. you're quite certain? |
| 08:32.45 | jason404 | it's just me personal server |
| 08:32.49 | jason404 | my |
| 08:33.33 | bardzusny | yes I'm quite certain, p.s. you will avoid changing sources.list on new stable release if you write "wheezy" instead of "testing" |
| 08:33.56 | nevyn | is still sad that wheezy will ship gitolite v2 |
| 08:34.00 | jason404 | thanks |
| 08:34.14 | nyuszika7h | LOL |
| 08:34.17 | nyuszika7h | Hilarious |
| 08:34.19 | nyuszika7h | 10:33:03 nyuszika7h | Hi, what would be the best way to drop root privileges in a shell script? |
| 08:34.27 | nyuszika7h | 10:33:53 dualbus | nyuszika7h: you might want to ask your O/S channel. |
| 08:34.30 | nyuszika7h | 10:34:04 nyuszika7h | dualbus: They sent me here... |
| 08:34.37 | nyuszika7h | from #bash (sorry for the paste :/) |
| 08:34.48 | sauvin | What "OS" are you using? |
| 08:34.52 | nevyn | nyuszika7h: man exec |
| 08:34.55 | nyuszika7h | I'm using Debian Squeeze |
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| 08:41.42 | Gargantua | Should I get wheezy or squeeze? :s |
| 08:42.16 | \Jan | squeezy |
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| 08:42.39 | Gargantua | I think so too |
| 08:43.17 | \Jan | Gargantua: if it's your first time, you'd usually pick squeeze, but considering many of it's packages, including certain drivers, are outdated, it might be suggested your use wheezy |
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| 08:43.38 | \Jan | also wheezy is being frozen so you probably shouldn't notice any problems really |
| 08:44.02 | Gargantua | It's not my first time, I'm running Squeezy as we speak, but I need to do a reinstall. |
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| 08:44.09 | Gargantua | It's frozen? yeah |
| 08:44.10 | nevyn | why? |
| 08:44.11 | Gargantua | yay* |
| 08:44.12 | simonlnu | !squeezy |
| 08:44.12 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 08:44.34 | nevyn | Gargantua: why do you need to re-install debian? |
| 08:45.08 | Gargantua | I think my system has been compromised |
| 08:45.24 | nevyn | that's a good reason |
| 08:45.25 | Gargantua | http://gargantua.codelove.org/rkhunter.txt |
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| 08:45.50 | Gargantua | I've recently done an upgrade, but I doubt that's the cause of that. |
| 08:46.05 | Gargantua | It's gonna suck, I have so much tweaked stuff here. |
| 08:48.03 | Gargantua | What if I get wheezy and don't like a package, can I easily revert back to a squeeze version? |
| 08:48.10 | Gargantua | Apt isn't exactly my strong hold. |
| 08:48.13 | nevyn | so the detect says it didn't find it but the summary says it's "possible" |
| 08:48.27 | nevyn | Gargantua: downgrades are tricky |
| 08:48.38 | nevyn | Gargantua: effectivly the answer is no |
| 08:48.39 | Gargantua | nevyn: the color codes are probably making it harder to see what's wrong. |
| 08:48.44 | Gargantua | Try ctrl+f "warning" |
| 08:49.20 | nevyn | mmm... hrm |
| 08:49.23 | Gargantua | Every instance of those warnings also shows up in another rkhunter log as such: |
| 08:49.24 | \Jan | Gargantua: what program is that again? |
| 08:49.33 | \Jan | oh wait nevermind |
| 08:49.39 | nevyn | hometime... |
| 08:49.43 | Gargantua | http://gargantua.codelove.org/okay |
| 08:49.50 | Gargantua | Kinda scary. |
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| 08:50.15 | Gargantua | It could be just the upgrade and rkhunter isn't doing it's hash checking correctly, but the stuff that have been changed look very suspecious... |
| 08:50.41 | Gargantua | Kill, ps, last, pgrep, sudo, top |
| 08:51.41 | jason404 | If you think somebody got in, how do you think they did it? |
| 08:51.47 | Gargantua | I have no idea, man. |
| 08:52.12 | Gargantua | sshd was configured to deny all |
| 08:52.23 | jason404 | I always connect securely and use digest authentication on admin webapps |
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| 08:53.01 | Gargantua | And the only major things I've done in the past week is an upgrade and installing things like privoxy and squid. |
| 08:53.02 | Gargantua | All from apt. |
| 08:53.20 | \Jan | So I just installed it; /usr/bin/unhide.rb [ Warning ] |
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| 08:53.38 | Gargantua | Yeah, it gives a lot of false positives. |
| 08:53.39 | mah454 | Hello |
| 08:53.42 | Gargantua | But you have to understand, I've had this running for a while. |
| 08:53.43 | \Jan | and unhide.rb was one of its dependencies, never before on my system |
| 08:53.57 | Gargantua | Never gave me those warnings before. |
| 08:53.59 | mah454 | This is my smb.conf : http://pastebin.com/DeWtci7X |
| 08:54.10 | mah454 | [public] share request password ! |
| 08:54.13 | mah454 | How can fix this ? |
| 08:54.39 | Gargantua | http://gargantua.codelove.org/okay , check the checksum on the same /bin/kill on your system, (I have no idea how to do that) |
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| 08:54.53 | Gargantua | As long as you're running squeeze, should be the same, no? |
| 08:56.14 | \Jan | [02:54:41] Checking for hidden files and directories [ Warning ] |
| 08:56.15 | \Jan | [02:54:41] Warning: Hidden directory found: '/etc/.java' |
| 08:56.50 | Gargantua | I also recommend Tiger and chkrootkit |
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| 08:59.28 | Gargantua | \Jan: rkhunter also does cronjobs regularly and mails you reports, don't disable it, it's how I found out about this :) |
| 08:59.50 | boudiccas | ,v tiger |
| 08:59.51 | judd | Package: tiger on i386 -- lenny: 1:3.2.2-6; squeeze: 1:3.2.3-4; sid: 1:3.2.3-10; wheezy: 1:3.2.3-10 |
| 09:00.08 | Gargantua | Oh, that's handy. |
| 09:00.42 | Gargantua | ,v psmisc |
| 09:00.43 | judd | Package: psmisc on i386 -- lenny: 22.6-1; squeeze: 22.11-1; squeeze-backports: 22.16-1~bpo60+1; sid: 22.19-1; wheezy: 22.19-1 |
| 09:01.12 | Gargantua | ,v sysvinit-utils |
| 09:01.13 | judd | Package: sysvinit-utils on i386 -- lenny: 2.86.ds1-61; squeeze: 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.88dsf-22.1; sid: 2.88dsf-29 |
| 09:01.42 | Gargantua | Hmm... |
| 09:02.02 | Gargantua | So it's possible it's just complaining about the upgrades. |
| 09:02.11 | boudiccas | Gargantua: you can also do it /msg judd versions foo |
| 09:02.12 | Gargantua | (I haven't upgraded this system in about a year) |
| 09:02.23 | Gargantua | thanks, sorry. |
| 09:02.38 | boudiccas | no, it wasnt a problem, i was just informing you |
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| 09:03.13 | Gargantua | I have an idea, I'm going to upgrade a package on rkhunter's list from wheezy, and see if it complains. |
| 09:03.20 | Gargantua | What was it called... |
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| 09:03.28 | Gargantua | !pinning |
| 09:03.29 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 09:22.54 | wewarnedyou | Mathematics and maintenance |
| 09:22.54 | wewarnedyou | I quote from an article in the South African press about the problems blacks have with mathematics: |
| 09:22.54 | wewarnedyou | “[Xhosa] is a language where polygon and plane have the same definition … where concepts like triangle, quadrilateral, pentagon, hexagon are defined by only one word.” (“Finding New Languages for Maths and Science,” Star [Johannesburg], July 24, 2002, p. 8.) |
| 09:22.54 | wewarnedyou | More accurately, these concepts simply do not exist in Xhosa, which, along with Zulu, is one of the two most widely spoken languages in South Africa. In America, blacks are said to have a “tendency to approximate space, numbers and time instead of aiming for complete accuracy.” (Star, June 8, 1988, p.10.) In other words, they are also poor at math. Notice the identical triumvirate—space, |
| 09:22.54 | wewarnedyou | numbers, and time. Is it just a coincidence that these three highly abstract concepts are the ones with which blacks — everywhere — seem to have such difficulties? |
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| 09:22.57 | Gargantua | How far is wheezy from release? |
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| 09:23.12 | idletask | Hello all |
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| 09:23.33 | Deele | hello |
| 09:23.41 | idletask | Is there a web page somewhere having a table of yum/rpm commands and their equivalent dpkg/apt-get/whatever commands? |
| 09:24.32 | Deele | if anyone remembers me from yesterday, I was moving debian from one box to another, I cloned HDD and set it in new box and now, I cant get network to work |
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| 09:25.08 | boudiccas | Gargantua: possibly released in Q1 of 2013, but it depends on how the bug crushing goes |
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| 09:25.17 | Morteza | hi |
| 09:25.34 | Morteza | I have a computer that has been configed |
| 09:25.44 | Morteza | but can't connect to internet |
| 09:25.55 | Grizzly | hi, can anyone tell me how to setup a domain name on debian server? |
| 09:25.56 | jelly | dpkg, tell Gargantua about wwwr |
| 09:26.03 | Gargantua | I've always admired Debian's release schedule. |
| 09:26.05 | boudiccas | Morteza: what version of debian are youusing? |
| 09:26.12 | Morteza | I check the route , but in destination part it hve localnet |
| 09:26.19 | Morteza | boudiccas: 6 |
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| 09:26.30 | jelly | Gargantua: disregard any mention of fixed dates by anyone here! |
| 09:26.51 | Gargantua | I'm just looking for an estimate so I can guess the stability level, you know? |
| 09:26.54 | boudiccas | jellyi did say 'possibly' and mentioned the bug crushing |
| 09:27.02 | Morteza | boudiccas: in destination part it have just localnet |
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| 09:27.35 | Gargantua | Will I have to reinstall everything when it becomes stable? Or can I just add the repos and do an apt-upgrade? |
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| 09:29.51 | jelly | Gargantua: the release notes for earch release contain the upgrade process from the previous release, with any specifics |
| 09:29.56 | jelly | !release notes |
| 09:29.57 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 09:30.17 | jelly | those say how to get to Debian 6 from Debian 5 |
| 09:30.23 | idletask | Another question: with yum, you can install a "virtual dependency", for instance yum install mta -- it will then ask which package you want to install that provides this dependency. How do you do that with Debian? |
| 09:31.00 | jelly | idletask: you can just install the wanted alternative explicitely |
| 09:31.02 | Gargantua | Thanks guys |
| 09:31.33 | idletask | jelly: but can you "install" a virtual dependency? |
| 09:31.48 | idletask | If not, how do you obtain the list of packages which provide it? |
| 09:31.56 | idletask | (ie, what is the equivalent of yum whatprovides) |
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| 09:32.35 | [sr] | howdy |
| 09:32.43 | jelly | !virtual package |
| 09:32.43 | dpkg | A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo". |
| 09:33.07 | [sr] | new debian version show-me 2 lines for fstab, "rootfs" and "/dev/root" |
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| 09:33.20 | [sr] | i dont remember what i updated, before that i just had "/dev/md0" |
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| 09:33.31 | [sr] | how can configure it to show only the device mounted? |
| 09:33.46 | jelly | ,rprovides mail-transport-agent |
| 09:34.02 | judd | Package mail-transport-agent in squeeze/i386 is provided by: postfix, msmtp-mta, courier-mta, esmtp-run, sendmail-bin, ssmtp, dma, exim4-daemon-heavy, masqmail, xmail, nullmailer, citadel-mta, exim4-daemon-light. |
| 09:34.06 | jelly | idletask: for an example ^^ |
| 09:34.56 | idletask | jelly: OK |
| 09:35.06 | idletask | And with dpkg? |
| 09:35.22 | jelly | see the aptitude command above |
| 09:35.23 | idletask | aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg... Weee |
| 09:35.27 | idletask | Too many |
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| 09:35.51 | jelly | dpkg is a rough equivalent for rpm, a low level tool |
| 09:35.52 | dpkg | jelly: i haven't a clue |
| 09:35.56 | jelly | dpkg: shut up |
| 09:35.56 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 09:36.06 | jelly | dpkg: shush |
| 09:36.06 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 09:36.15 | jelly | stupid bot |
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| 09:42.49 | Grizzly | can anyone please help ? http://pastie.org/4313717 |
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| 09:43.52 | Gargantua | jelly: how about if I install wheezy, will I have to do anything major when it becomes stable? |
| 09:43.53 | dutchfish | Grizzly, maybe apache needs hostname configured? |
| 09:44.09 | dutchfish | Grizzly, hostname -f |
| 09:44.28 | TensaiNiNaru | What book/articles/blogs would you recommend for managing a webserver (apache, lighttpd, nginx) on Linux (debian) ? |
| 09:44.29 | jelly | Gargantua: not really |
| 09:44.47 | Grizzly | dutchfish |
| 09:44.54 | Grizzly | root@alexandru:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# hostname -f |
| 09:44.54 | Grizzly | alexandru |
| 09:44.58 | BlitzHere | In sources.list, make sure you are tracking wheezy and not testing |
| 09:45.09 | jelly | Grizzly: the domain is missing there |
| 09:45.17 | BlitzHere | Gargantua^^ |
| 09:45.21 | Grizzly | how do I update it ? |
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| 09:45.42 | BlitzHere | That's if you want to stick with wheezy |
| 09:45.43 | Gargantua | Thanks |
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| 09:46.19 | jelly | Grizzly: verify there's a line like "66.172.33.149 alexandru.example.org alexandru" in your /etc/hosts |
| 09:46.25 | dutchfish | !hostname |
| 09:46.25 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 09:46.25 | BlitzHere | And you might have to add repos for wheeze backports when it becomes stable... |
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| 09:46.45 | jelly | Grizzly: then reboot if viable |
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| 09:47.47 | Grizzly | in /etc/hostname i have alexandru, do I change this to domain name ? |
| 09:48.29 | dutchfish | Grizzly, no. for the TLD do what jelly told you |
| 09:48.47 | Deele | hey |
| 09:48.56 | Deele | I have set up a new MAC addess for my interface |
| 09:49.12 | Deele | when I stop networking, set it with ifconfig, it sets up and work |
| 09:49.20 | Deele | but on boot up, it is using old mac |
| 09:49.33 | Grizzly | this is what I have in /etc/hosts |
| 09:49.34 | Grizzly | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 09:49.35 | Grizzly | 66.172.33.149 alexandru |
| 09:49.43 | jelly | Grizzly: do not change /etc/hostname, just fix /etc/hosts |
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| 09:50.57 | Deele | karlpinc hey, are you here? |
| 09:50.57 | jelly | Grizzly: eg. if your domain is "example.org", put "66.172.33.149 alexandru.example.org alexandru" there instead of the current line |
| 09:51.12 | jelly | both the long name and the short name |
| 09:51.44 | idletask | Other question... Equivalent of rpm -qlv? (l lists the files, v lists all attributes, ie mode, owner, group, size |
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| 09:52.15 | idletask | dpkg --listfiles lists the files but I can't find the option in the man page which makes it also list attributes |
| 09:52.16 | dpkg | idletask: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
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| 09:52.27 | jelly | idletask: there is none! |
| 09:52.39 | idletask | Ah |
| 09:52.44 | idletask | That sucks :/ |
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| 09:52.54 | jelly | idletask: all the packages come with files owned by root:root |
| 09:53.04 | idletask | jelly: that's a joke, isn't it? |
| 09:53.17 | jelly | anything else gets chowned, chmoded at postinst time |
| 09:53.20 | jelly | idletask: no. |
| 09:53.34 | idletask | Weee |
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| 09:54.34 | jelly | I'm not sure how the setuid/setgid binaries are done |
| 09:54.46 | jelly | some are managed via dpkg-statoverride in postinst |
| 09:54.47 | idletask | Well, chmod supports setting these |
| 09:54.48 | no_gravity | Good Morning Debian! I can install gnome, kde and xcfe over ssh and then work on it via vnc. But when I try it with fluxbox (apt-get install fluxbox on a fresh debian install without desktop) and try to connect via vnc I get no connection. Any ideas why? |
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| 09:55.30 | no_gravity | oh, i was wrong! it works now :) |
| 09:55.34 | DeadPanda | I've got a problem with "guestmount," despite having FUSE installed (and running as root), guestmount complains that "FUSE is not supported" |
| 09:55.40 | DeadPanda | (on wheezy) |
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| 09:57.05 | jelly | idletask: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-permissions-owners |
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| 09:57.18 | Morteza | my pc just can ping ip . it can't ping site name |
| 09:57.22 | Morteza | how to fix it? |
| 09:57.29 | Grizzly | I restarted the server |
| 09:57.37 | \Jan | Use a DNS? |
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| 09:57.59 | blackshirt | morteza, use name resolver |
| 09:57.59 | Morteza | I have a nameserver |
| 09:58.13 | no_gravity | anybody here using fluxbox? |
| 09:58.16 | Morteza | blackshirt: it have a nameserver |
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| 09:58.52 | DeadPanda | blackshirt, it doesn't appear to, or that would work. I'd check it's configured properly again. |
| 09:59.02 | DeadPanda | *Morteza: that was for you |
| 09:59.22 | blackshirt | moretza, are you sure it was configured correctly? |
| 09:59.28 | Grizzly | I get same error when /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 09:59.38 | jelly | idletask: many/most service packages generate their system user/group at installation time. For obvious reasons they cannot come with pregenerated ownerships |
| 09:59.42 | Morteza | DeadPanda: then , how? |
| 09:59.53 | Morteza | blackshirt: no |
| 09:59.56 | Grizzly | http://pastie.org/4314601 |
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| 10:00.18 | Morteza | blackshirt: this have default |
| 10:00.24 | blackshirt | grizzly, what the error? You not mention it |
| 10:00.37 | jelly | idletask: this creates some interesting issue when migrating services across different systems |
| 10:00.40 | idletask | jelly: RPM does the same, you create the user in the %pre, but at least it can handle install permissions directly without having to go through %post (in fact, doing so would make the package invalid if you verify it) |
| 10:00.47 | Grizzly | blackshirt http://pastie.org/4314601 |
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| 10:00.59 | dutchfish | Grizzly, this is a different error, now you have overlapping names |
| 10:01.18 | Grizzly | how do I fix that ? |
| 10:01.23 | dutchfish | Grizzly, the solution is in the error message |
| 10:01.30 | blackshirt | yes |
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| 10:01.38 | jelly | idletask: you can put non-root files directly in the package; it's just uncommon and lintian will likely whine |
| 10:01.53 | idletask | jelly: well, you don't build packages as root, do you? |
| 10:02.08 | Grizzly | If I knew the solution I wouldn't be here bothering you guys :( |
| 10:02.29 | jelly | idletask: typically fakeroot is used at the last step, actual binary package creation |
| 10:02.35 | dutchfish | Grizzly, every virtual host needs its own destinct name, thats it |
| 10:02.50 | Grizzly | I setup just one |
| 10:02.55 | Grizzly | how can it be more? |
| 10:03.13 | blackshirt | morteza, if you want your pc resolved by it's name, you should configure your hosts, use dns, or other mechanism for name resolving process |
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| 10:03.30 | Morteza | ok . thank you |
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| 10:03.50 | dutchfish | Grizzly, probably your virtual host you did setup has the same name as the server you are running apache on, either change the FQDN of that server or the FQDN of the virtualhost. |
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| 10:04.05 | boudiccas | on squeeze i cant CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. how do i regain this action please? |
| 10:04.32 | boudiccas | i use it for killing x |
| 10:04.42 | dax | !dontzap |
| 10:04.42 | dpkg | As of Squeeze, terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"). |
| 10:07.46 | aether | Why was zapping disabled? |
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| 10:08.17 | dax | aether: because people hit it accidentally, iirc |
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| 10:08.24 | dax | it was an upstream xorg decision |
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| 10:08.50 | aether | dax: Thanks |
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| 10:11.20 | johndoe | should i use noatime for / & /home? |
| 10:12.21 | dax | do you care about access timestamps? does your software? if not, sure |
| 10:12.33 | dax | relatime is a reasonable (and default) tradeoff though, imho |
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| 10:13.01 | johndoe | what is that? |
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| 10:13.51 | dax | relatime? it updates the access timestamp if the previous timestamp is older than the mtime or ctime |
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| 10:14.44 | dax | and it's been default for a few years now, iirc. I forget which Linux kernel version changed to it, and thus which Debian version did |
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| 10:20.28 | Grizzly | I think I really messed it up |
| 10:20.33 | DeadPanda | Anyone else had/fixed problems with GuestFS' "guestmount" complaining FUSE isn't supported, when it actually is on the host? (wheezy) |
| 10:20.55 | Grizzly | I probably have multiple configuration files and I don't know how to find them |
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| 10:23.59 | blackshirt | deadpanda, what are you try to configure? |
| 10:24.04 | Grizzly | anyone want to login and do it for me? |
| 10:24.16 | DeadPanda | blackshirt, not configuring anything, I'm trying to use guestmount |
| 10:24.46 | DeadPanda | blackshirt, except, it complains FUSE isn't supported, when all the FUSE dependencies are present and accounted for |
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| 10:25.03 | blackshirt | !guestmount |
| 10:25.23 | blackshirt | Deadpanda, maybe differ some version |
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| 10:25.40 | DeadPanda | blackshirt, I'm already running the latest wheezy |
| 10:26.24 | blackshirt | are you using guestmount from repo? |
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| 10:26.31 | DeadPanda | blackshirt, yes |
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| 10:29.29 | blackshirt | deadpanda, i no have play with it before,sorry guys.. |
| 10:29.46 | Brustofski-Fan | to install debian all i need is 1st dvd or the netinstall right ? |
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| 10:30.19 | dax | Brustofski-Fan: do you have Internet during installation? |
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| 10:31.51 | Dmitrijus | Brustofski-Fan: most likely netinstall is okay, as long as you have wired internet |
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| 10:32.03 | DeadPanda | blackshirt, don't worry, it appears to be a bug that's apparantly been fixed (from the mailing lists), but maybe it hasn't made it through to wheezy yet |
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| 10:32.40 | blackshirt | deadpanda, that's sounds greats... |
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| 10:33.16 | Brustofski-Fan | Dmitrijus: last time i tried netinstall i said i need 1st cd.. something about firmware for network |
| 10:33.45 | dax | I guess that answers the netinstall part of your question, then |
| 10:33.49 | dax | CD 1 or DVD 1 should be fine. |
| 10:34.31 | Brustofski-Fan | Thats true...I downloaded 1st dvd over night |
| 10:36.10 | Brustofski-Fan | righht now i'm useing siduction.. witch is useing debian unstable repo's... with there owen kernels.. think there on kernel 3.5.0 |
| 10:36.22 | Brustofski-Fan | Thought i would use the real thing |
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| 10:39.29 | subb1 | Hello. I want to install zimbra server on my debian 6. But officially they have no package for it in here http://www.zimbra.com/products/downloads.html.. Is there any possible workaroud for this guys? |
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| 10:42.11 | boudiccas | if i set CTRL+ALT+DELETE to kill x with tis command - sudo setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp - on squeeze, will it persist on reboot please? |
| 10:42.23 | boudiccas | *this |
| 10:43.22 | ectospasm | probably not... may want to put that in rc.local. But I'd try it first to see |
| 10:43.36 | ectospasm | there may be a better place to put that, I dunno |
| 10:43.57 | boudiccas | ectospasm: thanks, i'll leave rebooting for the time being but make a note of it |
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| 10:50.43 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, i guess you can switch that on in your xorg.conf |
| 10:51.04 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub: really? |
| 10:51.22 | blubberdiblub | well, at least there's on option for that available |
| 10:51.27 | blubberdiblub | haven't tried it myself |
| 10:51.38 | blubberdiblub | man xorg.conf and grep for DontZap |
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| 10:53.15 | Golf | Hi, I'm using stable but due to the latest Flash not working well with 3 I used backports to upgrade to 10. This has worked quite well but for some reason iceweasel won't detect the java plugin, I tried going back to 3 and the Java plugin works fine there so any idea what is going on? |
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| 10:53.28 | madtux | hello to everyone |
| 10:53.53 | madtux | guys do you know why from iostat I got no result in the column? |
| 10:54.08 | madtux | my debian is a virtual machine |
| 10:54.19 | madtux | and I don't know if this one could be one reason! |
| 10:55.08 | no_gravity | madtux: is it on your own machine or on a providers machine? |
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| 10:57.38 | Mimiko | hello |
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| 10:57.53 | madtux | @ no_gravity is a provider machine |
| 10:58.09 | Mimiko | I want to ./configure using LDFLAGS |
| 10:58.24 | Mimiko | how to escape single quote to LDFLGS? |
| 10:58.27 | madtux | @ no_gravity and I can't change a lot of stuff because is a central/critical server |
| 10:58.34 | madtux | so what you propose? |
| 10:58.43 | no_gravity | madtux: might be that the VM is set up in a way that hides some stats. i dont know. |
| 10:59.41 | madtux | @no |
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| 11:15.25 | Brustofski-Fan | Just installed from 1st dvd live install... Grub failed to install |
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| 11:21.44 | Brustofski-Fan | On my install grub failed to install how do i install it ? |
| 11:22.23 | boudiccas | Brustofski-Fan: not enough information! what have you installed, squeeze, wheezy, etc? live-install? no such thing! live CD which you may, or may not, be able to install from. net-install? normal install? |
| 11:23.42 | Brustofski-Fan | boudiccas: squeeze livecd... |
| 11:23.51 | Brustofski-Fan | livedvd |
| 11:24.01 | BlitzHere | Hmmm, so, all the text flowing across the screen yesterday scared my non tech savvy dad. Any idea how I can cover all that up with a bootanimation? |
| 11:24.22 | BlitzHere | The text during boot, just clarifying |
| 11:24.42 | Gargantua | There's bootgfx |
| 11:24.45 | Gargantua | but I don't recommend it. |
| 11:24.50 | Gargantua | err, grubgfx |
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| 11:26.17 | blubberdiblub | BlitzHere, the package plymouth maybe |
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| 11:26.30 | boudiccas | Gargantua: you sure about 'grubgfx'? judd cant version it |
| 11:26.56 | Brustofski-Fan | how can i install grub so i can boot... i install konversation from livedvd |
| 11:27.02 | Gargantua | It's not in apt, again, not recommended. |
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| 11:27.32 | Gargantua | Plymouth looks better |
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| 11:31.33 | Brustofski-Fan | i found this.. but its talking about SataRaid.. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 11:31.43 | Chelsea | Hi all, I'd lke to list directories with `find . -type d`. But I don't want to see `./` (the current directory). How accomplish this? |
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| 11:33.10 | boudiccas | !grub |
| 11:33.11 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 11:33.27 | blubberdiblub | Chelsea, try the "-mindepth 1" option to find |
| 11:34.25 | Chelsea | blubberdiblub, thanx! |
| 11:34.41 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
| 11:36.17 | pseubodot | *heart* find |
| 11:36.35 | boudiccas | Brustofski-Fan: does that factoid give you some pointers to getting grub to work? |
| 11:37.25 | Brustofski-Fan | blubberdiblub: i hope so... |
| 11:37.43 | blubberdiblub | you probably meant boudiccas ;) |
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| 11:39.31 | Brustofski-Fan | boudiccas: i hope so |
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| 11:39.44 | Brustofski-Fan | blubberdiblub: sorry about that |
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| 11:40.03 | blubberdiblub | no worries :) |
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| 11:42.01 | Morteza | I have a repository on the vm |
| 11:42.27 | Morteza | and I mounted that . but when I call it , I see error. connection time out |
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| 11:43.44 | Brustofski-Fan | what os-prober ? |
| 11:44.10 | Morteza | Brustofski-Fan: debian |
| 11:44.18 | Losowski | ...already some important fix commits going into the next kernel 3.6... |
| 11:44.23 | Losowski | ext4: switch EXT4_IOC_RESIZE_FS to mnt_want_write_file() |
| 11:44.37 | Losowski | ext4: use core vfs llseek code for dir seeks |
| 11:44.52 | Losowski | I want to see more Intel GPU commits ;) |
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| 12:12.11 | StHa | Hello, Does anyone know where I can find a sources.list for lenny? |
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| 12:13.02 | boudiccas | !lenny |
| 12:13.02 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 12:13.02 | abrotman | !tell StHa about lenny sources.list |
| 12:13.10 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:13.37 | abrotman | !tell StHa about lenny sources.list |
| 12:14.27 | StHa | Thanks! |
| 12:14.53 | abrotman | StHa: be aware there is no security support for Lenny, and it has known security issues |
| 12:15.23 | StHa | I only need MySQL 5.0 |
| 12:15.28 | StHa | :) |
| 12:15.53 | abrotman | only .. :) |
| 12:15.54 | ksk | abrotman: it has? |
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| 12:17.08 | abrotman | ksk: there are known security issues in squeeze too .. |
| 12:17.37 | BlitzHere | Judging be debians regular cycle, wheezy is expected by Feb 2013? |
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| 12:17.58 | cache_za | !squeeze sources.list |
| 12:17.58 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 12:19.14 | abrotman | cache_za: you can msg teh bot ... |
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| 12:19.38 | abrotman | BlitzHere: roughly .. there isn't a real timeline .. but that seems reasonable |
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| 12:26.52 | BlitzHere | abrotman: And since wheezy has been frozen, can I set up a wheezy system using the alpha 1 installer. And makes sure sources.list tracks wheezy instead of unstable? I want to set up a system for my non tech dad and I don't expect to be back for a year or so. He can update stuff via synaptic. Or should I stick with squeeze? |
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| 12:27.13 | BlitzHere | Just looking for a recommendation... |
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| 12:27.43 | abrotman | BlitzHere: if he's a non-tech person, i'd probably go with squeeze, fewer things likely to change |
| 12:28.02 | abrotman | if you think he's okay with wheezy, we can't stop you .. |
| 12:28.27 | abrotman | this may also depend on his chosen GUI |
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| 12:37.39 | thewanderer1 | there's iptables-save for having persistent filter rules... is there anything similar for routing tables and rules? |
| 12:38.27 | thewanderer1 | (my MARK isn't terribly useful without a routing rule that points to an alternate table) |
| 12:38.56 | abrotman | rc.local ? |
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| 12:40.46 | diverdude | if getconf LONG_BIT returns 32 and grep --color=always iw lm /proc/cpuinfo returns 2 blocks with lm, indicating 64 bit, am i then running 32 or 64 bit ? |
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| 12:41.30 | bzed | thewanderer1: ip ro save / restore |
| 12:41.34 | nyuszika7h | Hi, which package do I need for the Python 3.3 lzma module? |
| 12:41.35 | bzed | abrotman: ^ ;) |
| 12:42.00 | petemc | diverdude: what does file /bin/bash say ? |
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| 12:42.55 | diverdude | petemc: hmmm a looot of things |
| 12:42.56 | xevwork | Which database server does Debian 6 install if you choose "SQL database" during the install process? |
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| 12:44.21 | abrotman | bzed: ah, didn't know that |
| 12:44.32 | abrotman | bzed: i need to spend more time with that ip man page :) |
| 12:46.09 | Losowski | thewanderer1: My favorite network command line tool is "iproute2" |
| 12:46.16 | nyuszika7h | Never mind, I added deb-src for testing, sid and experimental; ran aptitude update then aptitude build-dep python3.3 |
| 12:46.17 | Losowski | Very powerful |
| 12:46.39 | xevwork | Gah, it installs postgres.. |
| 12:46.41 | xevwork | Oh well. |
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| 12:48.04 | thewanderer1 | Losowski, I just had my share of fun with it. pro tip: NEVER use "ip rule flush" on its own... |
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| 12:49.04 | thewanderer1 | bzed, ip route save doesn't seem to exist |
| 12:49.23 | Losowski | thewanderer1: "ifconfig" has been mostly deprecated |
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| 12:50.04 | thewanderer1 | Losowski, I know, I'm using the ip command... I only wonder if there's any automatic facility for capturing the current settings and reapplying them when I reboot |
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| 12:50.43 | Losowski | sure, that can all be done in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:50.55 | Losowski | Then, you can references iptables rules from there |
| 12:51.01 | Losowski | *reference |
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| 12:51.53 | thewanderer1 | but I have to write the commands on my own, as opposed to translating the running rule set into something that can later be loaded. point taken. |
| 12:52.29 | Losowski | sure then...use iproute commans in a bash script |
| 12:53.20 | Losowski | is now tinkering with syslinux/isolinux...nice stuff |
| 12:53.24 | thewanderer1 | I could probably come up with an `ip route show` parser, but that could break in the future |
| 12:54.18 | Losowski | btw, ip route add *does* exist...you must be 'very' precise when using this command or else it doesn't work |
| 12:54.49 | Losowski | ah...you said previously 'ip route save' ? |
| 12:55.25 | thewanderer1 | yeah, as suggested by bzed |
| 12:56.49 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure if there is a clean way of restoring my ip rule settings - for routes, I could manage (only 1 table has non-standard settings), but with rules, I need to start from a clean state... I could flush it and regenerate the default entries, not sure if that's the way to go |
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| 12:58.57 | Losowski | thewanderer1: Remember, when you have iptables-restore < rules, that will delete (flush) all previous rules automatically if not using the "-n" option |
| 12:59.17 | Losowski | so that's fairly clean |
| 13:00.12 | Losowski | Simple save a different set of rules (separate files) for each connection setup, and in the interfaces file, simply use an 'iptables-restore' for each one |
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| 13:00.27 | Losowski | This is what I did |
| 13:00.36 | Losowski | Works nicely |
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| 13:01.10 | Losowski | You first want to save all sets of rules using 'iptables-save > rules-file-name' |
| 13:01.30 | Losowski | Then easily restore each set of rules as necessary |
| 13:01.59 | Losowski | It really works like a charm and avoids the necessity for bash scripts |
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| 13:02.20 | thewanderer1 | I know - trying to achieve the same feat with routing, though :P |
| 13:02.34 | Losowski | thewanderer1: Ah, I see!! Of course, it's possible |
| 13:03.00 | Losowski | I've done it that way on my Arch Linux laptop |
| 13:03.21 | rbanffy | Hi folks. How does "apt-get source -b" decide what compiler switches to use? |
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| 13:03.46 | rbanffy | I'd love to have -march atom and -mtune atom on this machine |
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| 13:05.21 | Losowski | now finished playing a bit with syslinux...ready to install a fresh version of Firefox, to eliminate the outdated 'IceWeasel' ;) |
| 13:06.54 | BlitzHere | Why did Firefox become iceweasel anyway? |
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| 13:09.00 | Losowski | BlitzHere: I think for legal purposes, I don't know the entire story though |
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| 13:09.23 | hfuiz | is there any Intel WIFI chipset for which one needs non-free firmware or something? |
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| 13:10.01 | tvm | hfuiz: yeah. |
| 13:10.28 | Losowski | hfuiz: Check out the the 'firmware-linux-free' and 'firmware-linux-nonfree' packages |
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| 13:10.59 | iluminator105 | error /!\ Decoding error: No standard extension payload allowed in DRM |
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| 13:14.19 | tvm | hfuiz: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 13:15.08 | diverdude | hello. when i try to run a program i get this error. symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtNetwork.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv. i have done sudo apt-get install qt4-qtconfig and ldd /usr/bin/qtconfig-qt4 but to no avail. What am i missing ? |
| 13:15.47 | boudiccas | diverdude: what version of debain are you running? |
| 13:16.13 | boudiccas | debian even! |
| 13:17.19 | dvs | Is "debain" anything like "McBain"? ;-) |
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| 13:18.02 | hfuiz | tvm, Losowski: thanks. I was about to get a 5300 chipset but it needs non-free firmware... |
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| 13:21.43 | jelly | diverdude: your binary is likely not built for the version of Qt4 present in Debian. Rebuilding it from source would be best. |
| 13:21.54 | diverdude | ah |
| 13:22.24 | jelly | diverdude: it's also possible you're mixing different releases or even packages from different distros |
| 13:22.48 | jelly | which comes back to boudiccas' question |
| 13:23.17 | bzed | thewanderer1: probably not in queeze. ip ro save works in testing |
| 13:23.38 | bzed | thewanderer1: ip ru save doesn't exist unfortunately... |
| 13:23.56 | thewanderer1 | bzed, oh well. scripting my way, then... |
| 13:24.41 | bzed | thewanderer1: should not be that hard as the output of ip ro is similar to what you have to call it to set a route |
| 13:24.45 | hfuiz | tvm, Losowski: do you know a site that lists what mobile WiFi chipsets need non-free modules? |
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| 13:25.26 | bzed | thewanderer1: http://devel.recluse.de/~bzed/.publish/2012-07-24-HxLgeSKiMxE/get_routes.sh |
| 13:26.29 | Losowski | hfuiz: Not at this moment |
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| 13:28.28 | tvm | hfuiz: wikipedia keeps a nice list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers |
| 13:29.49 | thewanderer1 | bzed, I'm afraid it's not perfect - it doesn't seem to support multiple interfaces nor routing tables... |
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| 13:31.00 | hfuiz | tvm: very nice resource, thanks |
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| 13:33.40 | jerem` | I would like LightDM on my Debian based laptop but LightDM is not on Squeeze mirror, how to ? |
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| 13:33.44 | idletask | How do you list all provides of a given installed package/of a package file? |
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| 13:33.58 | idletask | For instance, I'd like to see the provides of default-jre |
| 13:34.18 | Calinou | jerem`, use backports or upgrade to testing/unstable |
| 13:35.04 | boed | What would you reccomend maxclients to be set at for a 3072 DDR, 4vCPU VPS? |
| 13:35.24 | jerem` | idletask: dpkg -L default-jre |
| 13:36.00 | idletask | jerem`: no, that lists a package's files |
| 13:36.15 | idletask | I want to see provides (ie, for instance, postfix provides mail-transport-agent) |
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| 13:36.39 | nova | idletask, apt-cache showpkg default-jre |
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| 13:37.24 | jerem` | Calinou: according to http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ , the LightDM package isn't available in backport repo |
| 13:37.26 | Devastator-work | is there any op from #d-ot that can unban gateway/web mask? |
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| 13:37.49 | Calinou | Devastator-work, no, get a real hostname |
| 13:37.53 | Calinou | it's for a reason |
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| 13:38.44 | Devastator-work | i have a real hostname, problem is i'm using webchat |
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| 13:39.38 | idletask | nova: yes, that's it, thanks! And if I want to limit to one version? |
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| 13:42.03 | nova | no idea sorry, |
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| 13:42.23 | Devastator-work | nevermind, already found the link i was looking for.. |
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| 13:44.36 | Grizzly | can anyone tell me if this tutorial is acurate ? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 13:45.16 | ksk | since its topic is " virtual domains in apache2" and its from 2006 id rather say yes |
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| 13:47.58 | SpComb | now do the same with https |
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| 13:48.11 | kesroesweyth | Grizzly what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 13:48.50 | Grizzly | kesroesweyth host a domain on the server |
| 13:48.57 | kesroesweyth | just one? |
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| 13:49.02 | kesroesweyth | ^ Grizzly |
| 13:49.16 | Grizzly | for now just one |
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| 13:49.30 | kesroesweyth | then for now you probably don't need to worry much about virtual hosting |
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| 13:50.16 | Grizzly | how do I do it then? |
| 13:51.10 | kesroesweyth | on a high level, make sure your domain points to the IP address of the server and put your documents in the document root (where apache looks for files to serve to users who navigate to your site) |
| 13:51.16 | kesroesweyth | usually /var/www on debian, iirc. |
| 13:51.43 | Grizzly | so not /home/www |
| 13:51.55 | dkr | I have a few vhosts in apache. my understanding was that the order of the vhosts was dictated by sort order ( which is why debian's default config uses numerical prefixes for /etc/apache/sites-enabled/000-default), so I have 2 more prefixed with 001 and 002, but apache2 -S says the order is 002, 002:443, 000, 001. I'm wondering if there is something screwy in the way these config symlinks are being processes or I am misunderstanding |
| 13:52.06 | kesroesweyth | i believe by default, apache will serve the files in the default document root for any domain that resolves to the server |
| 13:52.13 | kesroesweyth | Grizzly probably not /home/www |
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| 13:52.42 | Grizzly | can I pm you? kesroesweyth? |
| 13:53.01 | kesroesweyth | Grizzly sure |
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| 13:53.53 | dkr | kesroesweyth: that might explain my confusion. I thought it defaulted to the first vhost in config order if it didn't match a name/port combo, not /var/www |
| 13:54.59 | dkr | although that doesn't explain the discrepency in apache2 -S output |
| 13:55.26 | kesroesweyth | dkr I'm not an apache expert by any means. I only know what I've come across helping others fix their web server-related issues. :) |
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| 13:59.36 | kakashi_ | Hi, I have a question - I am trying to install intelfb using jockey, but unfortunately it doesn't work....relevant paste - http://dpaste.com/774612/ |
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| 13:59.39 | kakashi_ | please help me |
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| 13:59.49 | Mixxit | hey can anyone tell me how to update virtualbox |
| 14:00.10 | Mixxit | im on debian 6.0.5 |
| 14:01.43 | hfuiz | Mixxit: what version have you got installed? |
| 14:01.51 | Mixxit | it looks like version 3 i think |
| 14:01.53 | Mixxit | i got it off of apt |
| 14:02.22 | Mixxit | 3.2.10_OSEr66523 |
| 14:02.25 | hfuiz | Mixxit: did you aleady upgrade your system with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 14:02.33 | Mixxit | no sir |
| 14:02.40 | Mixxit | how do i do that |
| 14:03.07 | hfuiz | Mixxit: do "apt-get update && aptitude full-upgrade" as superuser |
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| 14:03.26 | Mixxit | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. |
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| 14:03.55 | Mixxit | i guess i might have done this when i downloaded the kernel and kernelheaders for virtualbox |
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| 14:04.14 | hfuiz | Mixxit: check for sure which version you got |
| 14:04.29 | Mixxit | /etc/debian_version ? |
| 14:04.41 | Mixxit | 6.0.5 |
| 14:04.47 | hfuiz | I mean vbox version |
| 14:05.05 | Mixxit | VBoxManage --version says 3.2.10_OSEr66523 |
| 14:05.21 | Mixxit | but i have this weird issue with it where it uses 20gb of ram even though the only guess it set to use 3gb |
| 14:05.23 | hfuiz | Mixxit: aah, wait. virtualbox is no longer in squeeze. Add a line for squeeze-backports into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:05.29 | Mixxit | i read about it online and apparently 3 had a memory leak |
| 14:05.48 | Mixxit | guest* |
| 14:05.51 | Mixxit | oh ok |
| 14:06.10 | blubberdiblub | virtualbox is in squeeze, hfuiz. it's called virtualbox-ose there |
| 14:06.40 | Mixxit | thats what i have |
| 14:06.41 | hfuiz | blubberdiblub: would you advice him to install it from squeeze-backports? |
| 14:06.51 | Mixxit | thanks |
| 14:06.56 | blubberdiblub | i've got no idea. i'm running wheezy here |
| 14:08.22 | Mixxit | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80468 |
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| 14:08.26 | Mixxit | thanks i used some of your terms to find it |
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| 14:10.24 | hfuiz | Mixxit: If you want a more recent version, follow the instructions here to include a line for backports: backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:10.44 | Mixxit | thanks! |
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| 14:11.05 | hfuiz | Mixxit: and then install it the way as described under "Install a package from backports" |
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| 14:11.36 | Mixxit | oh ok |
| 14:11.39 | Mixxit | -t |
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| 14:14.45 | farciarz84 | hi, why gnome is choosen as deafult desktpo evironment for debian? |
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| 14:15.32 | themill | farciarz84: you're free to install any desktop you like and there are number of different ISO images to help you do so |
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| 14:17.39 | farciarz84 | themill: I know, but why gnome is deafult? |
| 14:18.18 | themill | farciarz84: debian doesn't really do defaults for anything. |
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| 14:25.05 | farciarz84 | I've just installed my debian, it took long time (slow hdd and slow internet connection), now I'd like to buy new disk and change it. How can I move my system from one disk to another, with grub, boot flag, and all packages ? |
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| 14:26.12 | idletask | Question about deb packaging: some packages recommend that some other be installed, how do you do that in a debian/control file? Also, apt-get install will install these by default, does dpkg --install do, as well? |
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| 14:27.09 | thewanderer1 | idletask, Recommends: field, just as you would do Depends. and dpkg operates on *files* - it will only ever open the package files you explicitly tell it to. |
| 14:27.21 | farciarz84 | idletask: I make dpkg -i and if there are dependencies I do apt-get -f install and it solve the problemn |
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| 14:27.29 | farciarz84 | solves* |
| 14:27.32 | idletask | OK |
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| 14:28.05 | themill | idletask: "dpkg -i foo.deb" doesn't install any dependencies; broken Depends would be fixed by "apt-get -f install"; broken Recommends would not. |
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| 14:28.19 | themill | idletask: You might want to look at the new maintainers guide for more info; /msg dpkg nmg |
| 14:28.41 | idletask | themill: will do |
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| 14:29.18 | farciarz84 | what about making an iso from currenly installed system? I want to move it from one disk to another without long installation process |
| 14:29.39 | farciarz84 | which tool I can use for that? |
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| 14:35.58 | hfuiz | farciarz84: if you want a list of packages installed on you current system, do "dpkg --get-selections". But you have also to backup your config files. |
| 14:36.31 | hfuiz | or you just clone your system; there are plenty of tools for that |
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| 14:38.45 | idletask | OK, so there is Recommends _and_ Suggests |
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| 14:39.46 | hfuiz | idletask: yes, the main difference is that suggests are not automatically installed |
| 14:39.48 | seicherlbob | using wheezy, how can i find out, which driver/module is controlling a usb device? |
| 14:40.26 | idletask | hfuiz: ah, good, this is the keyword I looked for! Thanks |
| 14:41.58 | themill | idletask: the new maintainer's guide covers this, as does debian policy (/msg dpkg policy). If you're making packages or dealing with debian systems on a regular basis, I'd suggest adding them to your reading pile |
| 14:42.47 | idletask | themill: the second system -- I have only been working with RHEL so far and have been packaging RPMs for 10 years |
| 14:43.02 | idletask | But my new employer uses Debian |
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| 14:43.39 | themill | if you've got packaging experience, then you should be able to get on top of it quickly enough then. But do read the docs rather than trying to wing it and hope that what you know about RPMs works for debian packages. |
| 14:44.56 | idletask | themill: I know one thing that doesn't... With .deb you have to chown/chmod files at post install, with RPM you specify modes and owners in the spec file :/ |
| 14:45.40 | themill | idletask: what ownership and modes do you want? Generally, root:root is right and htat's what you get. |
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| 14:46.10 | themill | (and since you have dynamically allocated UIDs, having the modes in the package doesn't work for the most part) |
| 14:46.33 | idletask | themill: you specify the user _name_ in the spec file, not the UID |
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| 14:46.52 | themill | idletask: you still have to make the user exist before you can do that... |
| 14:47.00 | idletask | If it doesn't exist at install time, RPM falls back to root -- but then you'll have created that user in %pre |
| 14:47.15 | idletask | And remove it in %postun |
| 14:47.48 | themill | idletask: so it's the same then... except that debian allows the local admin to override the ownership in a way that doesn't get clobbered on the next upgrade |
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| 14:48.25 | idletask | Ah yes, that's dpkg-statoverride, right? |
| 14:48.25 | themill | points to policy §10.9 |
| 14:48.38 | idletask | I have the policy guide open in a tab |
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| 14:49.31 | idletask | At this section precisely |
| 14:49.34 | themill | idletask: what sorts of files do you need to change the ownership for? It's not *that* common that this is required at all. |
| 14:49.53 | idletask | themill: servers which don't run as root and require a directory to store their data |
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| 14:50.02 | idletask | This directory can't be root owned |
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| 14:50.55 | themill | idletask: indeed. Be very careful with "chown -R" if you go down that path... that's a great route to privilege escalation |
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| 14:51.56 | idletask | themill: I create the directory only and use a plain chown on it :p |
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| 14:52.29 | idletask | With RPM it is done with %dir %attr(theuser, thegroup, 700) /path/to/dir in the files section |
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| 14:53.18 | idletask | (which means it will not remove the directory if the package is removed and the directory is not empty, as a nice side effect) |
| 14:53.25 | themill | «if ! dpkg-statoverride --list "$d" >/dev/null 2>&1; then dpkg-statoverride --update --add $U $G 0775 "$d" fi |
| 14:53.49 | themill | idletask: dpkg also won't remove non-empty directories. |
| 14:54.52 | idletask | OK well, going on with my first "more complicated than hello world" package |
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| 14:55.10 | marchtem1 | Hey guys, what's the difference between GDebi and Software Install in Gnome 3.4? |
| 14:55.29 | themill | idletask: most people packaging for debian will never need this at all -- you've picked something considerably harder than hello world ;) Have fun. |
| 14:55.48 | themill | dpkg: tell idletask about mentors |
| 14:56.14 | BlitzHere | Hmm, does aptitude or apt have a local install option or do I have to use gdebi for .deb packs |
| 14:56.46 | themill | BlitzHere: dpkg -i or gdebi will both work. |
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| 14:57.53 | BlitzHere | but gdebi has dependency resolution while dpkg doesn't. Was looking for a CLI tool |
| 14:58.03 | BlitzHere | themill^^ |
| 14:58.28 | idletask | What, yet _another_ Debian packaging tool? :p |
| 14:58.39 | themill | BlitzHere: "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install". You can use gdebi quite happily from the command line. |
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| 14:59.22 | BlitzHere | themill: time to google harder... |
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| 15:00.05 | BlitzHere | themill: thanks! |
| 15:00.06 | Grizzly | thank you kesroesweyth! |
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| 15:01.41 | kesroesweyth | Grizzly sure thing :) |
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| 15:03.58 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 15:04.13 | Bartzy | I installed debian squeeze on SSD and this is the result: http://pastebin.com/wLvkid0j |
| 15:04.22 | Bartzy | My partitions are not aligned correctly, right ? |
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| 15:04.28 | Bartzy | The debian installer can't align them? :\ |
| 15:05.31 | blubberdiblub | cylinder boundaries have no real significance anymore |
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| 15:05.47 | blubberdiblub | there are no regular cylinder boundaries anymore, anyways. it's only virtual |
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| 15:06.58 | seicherlbob | is there a way to get a modules options valid for modprobe.conf? |
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| 15:07.22 | Bartzy | blubberdiblub: Yeah, but the starting sector should be a multiple of 1024. |
| 15:08.25 | blubberdiblub | Bartzy, multiple of 2048 sectors would be better. but it's not so relevant for the boot partition. it doesn't really need high performance |
| 15:08.44 | Bartzy | blubberdiblub: but that sets the alignment for all the partitions.... |
| 15:09.01 | Bartzy | and sda2 is the data partition, with / and other data (DB stuff) |
| 15:09.06 | blubberdiblub | i don't know how the installer does it |
| 15:09.08 | Bartzy | It is not aligned either. |
| 15:09.15 | Bartzy | So how can I align before installing ? :\ |
| 15:09.16 | blubberdiblub | i'm doing my partitioning by hand |
| 15:09.21 | Bartzy | and you're aligning ? |
| 15:09.32 | blubberdiblub | yes, on 2048 sector multiples |
| 15:09.34 | Bartzy | How ? |
| 15:09.37 | Bartzy | with parted ? |
| 15:09.43 | blubberdiblub | no, not with parted |
| 15:09.50 | blubberdiblub | i use a combination of tools |
| 15:10.02 | blubberdiblub | usually cfdisk and sfdisk |
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| 15:10.16 | Bartzy | OK... What's the easiest way ? |
| 15:10.31 | blubberdiblub | don't know. i'm not doing it the easy way ;) |
| 15:10.34 | Bartzy | I should set the LVM too - or just the partitions ? |
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| 15:11.11 | blubberdiblub | it helps performance, if the LVM partitions are aligned, too |
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| 15:11.44 | Bartzy | blubberdiblub: How can I do that ? |
| 15:11.47 | Bartzy | :| |
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| 15:12.08 | Bartzy | when you say LVM partition - you mean the physical partition, and not the logical volumes, right ? |
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| 15:12.26 | blubberdiblub | well, as i said, i don't know how the installer does it. i only know how to use cfdisk and sfdisk, and it wasn't easy when i did it |
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| 15:13.10 | blubberdiblub | Bartzy, it suffices to align the physical partitions. the logical partitions are more or less aligned automatically then, because lvm uses quite big chunk sizes by default |
| 15:13.42 | Bartzy | How can I even know if what I did is aligned or not. |
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| 15:13.47 | Bartzy | I can know if the partitions are aligned.. |
| 15:13.48 | Bartzy | but LVM? |
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| 15:14.49 | blubberdiblub | "sfdisk -l -uS /dev/devicename" lists the partitions in sector offsets from the beginning of the drive. good for checking alignment |
| 15:16.14 | Bartzy | blubberdiblub: http://pastebin.com/n9wy7QFr |
| 15:16.24 | Bartzy | So.. That's good ? :| What are the empty partitions there ? |
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| 15:17.01 | blubberdiblub | yeah, they are aligned just fine |
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| 15:17.11 | blubberdiblub | the empty partitions are normal |
| 15:17.25 | blubberdiblub | the MBR partitioning scheme has 4 primary partition entries |
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| 15:17.32 | blubberdiblub | if you fill 2, 2 stay empty |
| 15:17.44 | Bartzy | OK. So how can you know they're aligned? |
| 15:18.03 | blubberdiblub | because the starting sectors are multiples of 2048 |
| 15:18.06 | Bartzy | just "Start/2048" gives an integer ? |
| 15:18.10 | blubberdiblub | yes |
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| 15:18.20 | Bartzy | ok - it doesn't matter that the end is not a multiple of 2048 ? |
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| 15:18.32 | Bartzy | in the 2nd partition (physical LVM), at least ? |
| 15:18.42 | blubberdiblub | the end doesn't matter. and the end is a multiple. you have to add 1 to see if it's a multiple ;) |
| 15:19.34 | blubberdiblub | anyway, the end doesn't matter at all |
| 15:19.48 | Bartzy | So 1st partition end + 1 is not a multiple |
| 15:19.51 | Bartzy | but without + 1 it is |
| 15:19.57 | Bartzy | and the 2nd is not a multiple without +1 |
| 15:20.01 | blubberdiblub | no, the other way round |
| 15:20.01 | Bartzy | but if you say it doesn't matter... |
| 15:20.13 | blubberdiblub | add 1 and then divide by 2048 |
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| 15:20.28 | Bartzy | oh right, cool |
| 15:20.32 | Bartzy | Why is that (the +1) ? |
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| 15:20.44 | blubberdiblub | because the end sector is used as well |
| 15:20.55 | blubberdiblub | the end sector + 1 is the first unused sector |
| 15:20.57 | Bartzy | end sector ? |
| 15:21.04 | blubberdiblub | ever heard of the fencing problem? |
| 15:21.14 | Bartzy | OK :| So the bootloader sits somewhere in the first 2047 sectors ? |
| 15:21.23 | blubberdiblub | yes |
| 15:21.28 | Bartzy | How much sectors is it ? |
| 15:21.39 | idletask | Bartzy: well, with UEFI, the story is different |
| 15:21.39 | Bartzy | just interested.. and if you can perhaps also tell me how to check if my LVM is aligned ? |
| 15:21.48 | blubberdiblub | depends on the bootloader |
| 15:21.58 | blubberdiblub | LVM will be aligned |
| 15:22.05 | idletask | Bartzy: if it isn't, it cannot be used |
| 15:22.14 | Bartzy | blubberdiblub: Can you explain (about LVM), and how can I make sure ? |
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| 15:22.29 | Bartzy | also, should I touch the extents configuration? Or leave it be ? It's a RAID10 (hardware) of SSDs. |
| 15:22.32 | blubberdiblub | you don't need to make sure. your physical LVM partition is aligned, that suffices |
| 15:23.00 | Bartzy | what about --dataalignment in pvcreate ? |
| 15:23.19 | Bartzy | I read it is important to set that to 4096... This is not true? |
| 15:23.47 | blubberdiblub | would be new to me. it aligns the data by default |
| 15:24.10 | Bartzy | http://pastebin.com/jz6WJ5Dq |
| 15:24.14 | blubberdiblub | you're worrying too much ;) |
| 15:24.23 | Bartzy | So the first PE is @ 192K |
| 15:24.27 | Bartzy | That's bad I guess ? |
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| 15:24.39 | blubberdiblub | that's okay |
| 15:24.46 | Bartzy | blubberdiblub: Yeah, very expensive server, put up a lot of work into it, just want to make sure I'm not "wasting" the hardware. |
| 15:24.54 | blubberdiblub | could be better, but at least it's aligned on a 64k boundary |
| 15:25.21 | Bartzy | http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2009-July/msg00004.html |
| 15:25.25 | Bartzy | I can reinstall if necessary |
| 15:25.26 | blubberdiblub | you currently need only 4k alignment. the 64k or 1MB recommendations are with look into the future |
| 15:26.10 | Bartzy | What do you mean look into the future? What will change? Why I need only 4k alignment if SSD block sizes are 512k ? |
| 15:26.31 | blubberdiblub | oh, it's SSD. sorry, must have missed that |
| 15:26.36 | blubberdiblub | i don't know about SSDs |
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| 15:27.29 | Bartzy | OK, thanks! :p |
| 15:27.32 | Bartzy | anyone knows about SSD alignment ? :| |
| 15:29.24 | idletask | Bartzy: disk alignment is a topic best left to people who understand it, tbh -- it was messy enough and still is. Out of curiosity, why do you want to know? |
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| 15:29.44 | alesan | hi |
| 15:29.59 | alesan | I would like to recompile slightly modified a library that is in Debian |
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| 15:30.09 | Bartzy | idletask: I'm installing a DB server with 4 SSDs, and want to make sure everything is aligned correctly. |
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| 15:30.20 | alesan | is there a canonical way or I will just download the source and do make install ??? |
| 15:30.24 | idletask | Bartzy: the OS will take care of that for you |
| 15:30.32 | sney | !tell alesan about package recompile |
| 15:30.34 | Calinou | do not make install if you don't know what it will do |
| 15:30.41 | idletask | Bartzy: trying to "optimize" alignment will very probably do more harm than good |
| 15:30.41 | Calinou | if the program works without make install, just run it |
| 15:31.02 | sney | alesan: see the message dpkg sent you |
| 15:31.19 | Bartzy | idletask: Well, the default 192K alignment does not fit SSDs. |
| 15:31.22 | Bartzy | of LVM. |
| 15:31.25 | alesan | sney, yeah but I do not have aptitude... it's a small install on an ARM board |
| 15:31.38 | sney | apt-get works too |
| 15:31.41 | alesan | Calinou, it's the vorbis library, I need to optimize the version in Debian ARMEL |
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| 15:32.30 | idletask | Bartzy: you do know that ultimately LVs operate on PEs, right? And that this default PE size is 2M and that it is 2M aligned in any case? |
| 15:33.03 | idletask | Bartzy: don't be concerned with metadata alignment, it will be read and written maybe 50 times in the machine's lifecycle |
| 15:33.25 | idletask | It's just not worth it |
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| 15:34.09 | Bartzy | idletask: But the first PE starts in some alignment. |
| 15:34.13 | Bartzy | And that alignment is after 192K |
| 15:34.15 | jelly | idletask: the issue, I believe, is that metadata occupies first (small number here) and makes the rest of the space, including LV space less than say 1MB or 4MB aligned |
| 15:34.22 | Bartzy | ^ |
| 15:34.28 | Bartzy | What he said :p |
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| 15:35.00 | Bartzy | So in order to change that I have to re install, if / is part of that LVM PV ? |
| 15:35.06 | idletask | jelly: err no, PEs align to a PE size -- yes, that means there is a hole between the LV metadata and the first PE |
| 15:35.20 | Bartzy | idletask: from the manpage: |
| 15:35.29 | jelly | idletask: that'd be great were it true |
| 15:35.50 | Bartzy | http://pastebin.com/hh3N9ADt |
| 15:35.58 | Bartzy | and my pvs output .... |
| 15:36.04 | Bartzy | http://pastebin.com/jz6WJ5Dq |
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| 15:36.19 | Bartzy | That means my LVM data starts at a 192K offset of my physical partition |
| 15:36.33 | Bartzy | which is actually aligned to a multiple of 2048 sectors. |
| 15:36.40 | Bartzy | so now my LVM data is not aligned. |
| 15:36.44 | Bartzy | Am I understanding this correctly ? |
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| 15:37.47 | idletask | It's the first PE which is located at 192k |
| 15:38.29 | idletask | My mistake, I really thought PEs aligned to their own size |
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| 15:40.06 | Bartzy | idletask, jelly: OK - so I need to reinstall ? |
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| 15:40.31 | idletask | Bartzy: I would not recommend you did |
| 15:40.32 | Bartzy | Should I use GPT (it's a server, no dualboot), or MBR is fine ? |
| 15:40.41 | Bartzy | idletask: Why not ? It's not an ideal configuration for SSDs |
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| 15:40.52 | idletask | Bartzy: see if you can make it so the _filesystem_ inside the LV is aligned the way you want |
| 15:41.09 | idletask | Bartzy: it is what matters ultimately |
| 15:41.19 | Bartzy | and if we went the way to buy SSDs in $1000 and a RAID controller in $650, why not align stuff one-time ? |
| 15:41.23 | Bartzy | idletask: How can I do that ? |
| 15:41.36 | Bartzy | And if I align the pv... the filesystem will be aligned anyway, I guess ? |
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| 15:45.04 | Bartzy | idletask? :) |
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| 15:53.13 | SiDz | Jul 24 11:50:41 DonSiD amavis[22573]: (22573-01) Passed BAD-HEADER-2 {RelayedOpenRelay,Quarantined}, [69.165.210.53] <SiD@DonSiD.net> -> <sidplusblondinette@hotmail.fr>, quarantine: c/badh-cR00UPxvY4aY, Message-ID: <500EC42E.000017.02840@QUAD>, mail_id: cR00UPxvY4aY, Hits: -, size: 54069, queued_as: AD30E13A52A, 460 ms but i still get that when im trying to send an email |
| 15:53.18 | SiDz | from and imap client |
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| 15:57.47 | sney | brasero |
| 15:57.52 | sney | at least in gnome3 |
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| 16:12.12 | tgs3 | was there a ready function to check if dir exists and create if not? |
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| 16:12.29 | tgs3 | or just should one use mkdirs |
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| 16:14.18 | Brustofski-Fan | upgraded from stable to testing... for some reason it removed kde... does kde have a meta package? |
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| 16:15.13 | sney | !install kde |
| 16:15.13 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
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| 16:17.51 | Iridos | tgs3, if [ -d /tmp ]; then echo yes ; else echo no; fi |
| 16:18.05 | Brustofski-Fan | sney, thanks |
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| 16:18.57 | themill | tgs3: you can just mkdir (or install) |
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| 16:23.11 | surfdue | I am running openvz on debian as a host system and a centos guest. I am having a network issue and I need some insight. Our server has two public ip's assigned to it and those map to two local ips. On debian (the host) I have the first local ip and on centos I have the second local ip. The websites we are handling seem to load fine, ports, etc. However I cannot authenticate over SSH or I get a ssh key has changed warning. I am entered the right p |
| 16:23.11 | surfdue | assword and password auth is turned on. Whats even more strange is the centos guest I can login using the local ip, but I cannot login to the debian host... |
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| 16:33.03 | arietis | any idea how can i make irc bot which will log channel? |
| 16:33.13 | arietis | i wanna set it up on my debian machine |
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| 16:33.24 | puffisocks | arietis: what has that got to do with debian? |
| 16:33.50 | arietis | perhaps there is package with such functionality? |
| 16:34.12 | xaionaro | arietis: eggdrop |
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| 16:35.50 | arietis | xaionaro: thanks |
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| 16:40.40 | woshty | how stable is the smd64 rt kernel in testing? |
| 16:41.19 | flash_ | arietis, another option is irssi running in screen, and if you prefer perl to tcl it's a better hoice |
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| 16:41.51 | arietis | flash_: i wanna run it as daemon |
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| 16:42.58 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 16:43.00 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 16:43.12 | lenswipe | i can only play one thing at a time in squeeze |
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| 16:43.31 | lenswipe | if flash is playing sound and i try and play an mp3 or something the mp3 is silent |
| 16:43.34 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 16:48.28 | jelly | that's expected and normal without pulseaudio, lenswipe, and pulseaudio in squeeze is a bit too buggy to be usable. Kill your flash if you don't need it |
| 16:48.42 | lenswipe | im 99% sure i have pulseaudio |
| 16:48.44 | lenswipe | ah |
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| 16:48.59 | lenswipe | so the solution to not being able to play multiple things at once in squeeze is: "dont." |
| 16:49.28 | jelly | you can probably play multiple things as long as not any of those is Adobe Flash |
| 16:49.41 | lenswipe | okay |
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| 16:49.46 | lenswipe | let me try... |
| 16:49.47 | jelly | there are also some other apps that take exclusive control of audio output |
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| 16:49.54 | lenswipe | hm |
| 16:50.06 | jelly | but most alsa apps ought to work |
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| 16:51.55 | lenswipe | mkay |
| 16:52.01 | lenswipe | so multiple mplayer instances should work? |
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| 16:52.48 | MrKronecker | Hey. I've got this Debian server which I temporarily passed into the hands of this incredibly paranoid (but generally competent) guy who basically had a meltdown and passed the server back into my control. I've just tried to perform a dist-upgrade, and mysteriously it's failing on me as it tries to update the kernel: |
| 16:52.48 | jelly | yes |
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| 16:53.03 | MrKronecker | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:53.03 | MrKronecker | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:53.14 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:53.14 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:53.36 | jelly | MrKronecker: please read and follow the guidelines above ^^ |
| 16:54.01 | Mikla_fail | is it normal when U install debian netinstall "testing" that gnome wwont work by default :D |
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| 16:54.04 | Mikla_fail | gnome 2 |
| 16:54.16 | sney | testing does not offer gnome 2 |
| 16:54.19 | MrKronecker | Oh I see! Sorry |
| 16:54.21 | MrKronecker | I missed that |
| 16:54.28 | Mikla_fail | well there is in my install |
| 16:54.33 | MrKronecker | I'll insert into some manner of pastebin |
| 16:54.39 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:54.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:54.40 | Mikla_fail | but it load only half of elements |
| 16:55.04 | MrKronecker | Ah! So I'm permitted two lines? |
| 16:55.55 | sney | MrKronecker: just run the commands and paste their output to a pastebin that isn't pastebin.com |
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| 16:57.49 | MrKronecker | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/94e7d20b/ |
| 16:57.53 | MrKronecker | Well, here's everything |
| 16:58.18 | MrKronecker | This is following a "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 16:59.03 | sney | Mikla_fail: if you installed testing and you see something that looks like gnome 2 it might be gnome fallback. |
| 16:59.24 | sney | MrKronecker: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 16:59.35 | MrKronecker | Am I running on ubuntu? Ugh |
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| 16:59.56 | Mikla_fail | sney, I got default gnome 3 but on login I can choose "old gnome" which is prob gnome 2;x but it want load |
| 16:59.57 | MrKronecker | Sorry for the confusion. I have this other server which runs on debian -_- |
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| 17:00.05 | sney | MrKronecker: no worries |
| 17:00.08 | jelly | MrKronecker: yes, lines 30-31 seem to suggest your ubuntu system is low on disk space |
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| 17:00.20 | JenniferB2 | I want to create a script and then a launcher to run > sudo runAnyCommandYouCanThinkOf ... but without the need to enter the password each time... how can I do this? |
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| 17:00.43 | MrKronecker | Oh wow, you're right |
| 17:00.43 | sney | Mikla_fail: it isn't gnome 2.x, it's gnome-fallback. Gnome 2 is not available in testing. |
| 17:00.48 | MrKronecker | Thank you |
| 17:01.03 | Mikla_fail | sney, aha ok thx didnt know that :P |
| 17:01.09 | sney | MrKronecker: also, your disk is probably full |
| 17:01.13 | Mikla_fail | used openbox for last 2 years |
| 17:01.17 | Mikla_fail | and flux |
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| 17:01.34 | woshty | JenniferB2: you should not do that. and 'man sudo' |
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| 17:01.54 | MrKronecker | Hmm... available space isn't the best, but there are still 2.1 GB left |
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| 17:02.14 | sney | MrKronecker: anyway, see #ubuntu for further support |
| 17:02.23 | MrKronecker | Yep. Thanks. Bye! |
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| 17:02.39 | jelly | JenniferB2: if you really want to shoot yourself in the foot that way, read the manual for sudoers and take notice of NOPASSWD and examples using |
| 17:02.44 | jelly | it. |
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| 17:03.19 | jelly | MrKronecker: in /boot ? |
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| 17:03.43 | jelly | that's one huge /boot |
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| 17:05.41 | JenniferB2 | jelly: I am only interested in adding one command |
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| 17:08.52 | alkisg | JenniferB2: man sudoers, check NOPASSWD there |
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| 17:13.08 | JenniferB2 | alkisg: I have .. sudo visudo and added line ::: %jen ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate |
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| 17:13.24 | JenniferB2 | after saving.. do I need to restart the computer? |
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| 17:19.10 | mroman | Is there a tool like 'time' but for memory usage? |
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| 17:19.45 | alkisg | JenniferB2: no, you don't need to restart anything |
| 17:20.13 | JenniferB2 | alkisg: why is it not working then? |
| 17:20.16 | simonlnu | mroman: free? top/htop? |
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| 17:20.33 | JenniferB2 | my username is jen... |
| 17:20.34 | JenniferB2 | %jen ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate |
| 17:20.42 | mroman | simonlnu: The program only run's for probably 10ms |
| 17:20.51 | mroman | *runs |
| 17:21.01 | JenniferB2 | when I run: pm-hibernate .. I get ::: This utility may only be run by the root user. |
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| 17:21.13 | simonlnu | oh something like memstat |
| 17:21.14 | sney | you still have to sudo it |
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| 17:22.41 | JenniferB2 | sney: I am back |
| 17:22.43 | JenniferB2 | :) |
| 17:22.56 | JenniferB2 | I am guessing there is no way to get around the sudo part ? ( just curious) |
| 17:23.03 | sney | nope |
| 17:24.18 | mroman | simonlnu: I need to know how much memory it requires. |
| 17:24.20 | Losowski | Does anyone know when the following packages will become available in the 'unstable' (sid) repository? |
| 17:24.26 | Losowski | ia32-libs-i386 |
| 17:24.26 | Losowski | ia32-libs-gtk-i386 |
| 17:24.26 | Losowski | ia32-libs |
| 17:24.35 | JenniferB2 | iam back again .. did I miss something? |
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| 17:24.38 | sney | Losowski: http://deb.li/sidfaq |
| 17:24.49 | mroman | But apparentely there's no tool capable of doing that. |
| 17:25.02 | Losowski | Only ia32-libs-gtk is in...thanks sney! |
| 17:25.35 | mroman | hm. maybe valgrind or something like that. |
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| 17:26.47 | JenniferB2 | helloooo |
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| 17:27.11 | alkisg | (08:21:01 μμ) JenniferB2: when I run: pm-hibernate .. I get ::: This utility may only be run by the root user. => run sudo pm-hibernate, it shouldn't ask you for a password then |
| 17:27.17 | alkisg | You might need the full path, not sure |
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| 17:28.55 | alkisg | JenniferB2: also, % is for groups, not users, afaik |
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| 17:34.49 | woshty | why is there no fglrx-driver in testing? |
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| 17:36.22 | kevlarman | woshty: because it didn't support xorg 1.12 at the time |
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| 17:37.47 | woshty | kevlarman: but now it does? there is a newer version -6 in sid. will that work? |
| 17:37.59 | kevlarman | woshty: "it depends" |
| 17:38.07 | kevlarman | woshty: there's 2 different 12.6's |
| 17:38.07 | woshty | kevlarman: lol |
| 17:38.22 | kevlarman | one supports r500-r700, the other doesn't |
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| 17:39.08 | woshty | kevlarman: legacy? i am running hd 5k series .. |
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| 17:39.49 | kevlarman | woshty: that's r800 |
| 17:39.53 | kevlarman | so either will work |
| 17:40.35 | kevlarman | woshty: feel free to build the source package from sid if radeon doesn't work for you |
| 17:41.25 | woshty | kevlarman: i did great so far .. but 3d is very limited .. |
| 17:41.33 | woshty | it |
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| 17:46.29 | woshty | kevlarman: so what are the two different -6 packages in sid called? |
| 17:46.57 | kevlarman | woshty: they aren't |
| 17:47.06 | kevlarman | sid only has one of them |
| 17:47.18 | kevlarman | no clue which |
| 17:47.36 | woshty | kevlarman: ah, k, thx |
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| 17:54.09 | davidWork | Why does it talk so long for bind to update the zone file after a successful zone transfer? |
| 17:54.14 | davidWork | The logs show that it has the updated zone |
| 17:54.24 | davidWork | but it takes about five minutes to update the zone file |
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| 17:55.21 | davidWork | does it go into a que to be written to disk? |
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| 17:57.42 | sney | davidWork: if it's just disk caching then you could speed it up with sync, but I bet it's more just something to do with how dns works |
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| 17:59.15 | davidWork | This was almost instant when I built the server a few weeks ago |
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| 18:01.03 | davidWork | I will try running a sync. That should cause it to be written immediately |
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| 18:12.20 | fredl | hi folks. I'm trying to get my audio to go through my HDMI sound device, reading this here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples and it mentions 'pavucontrol' |
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| 18:13.25 | fredl | after installing it and starting it up, it says 'connection failed: connection refused'. Does Squeeze not use pulseaudio? |
| 18:14.37 | fredl | my volume control gives me the option to choose between 'HDA ATI HDMI (Alsa mixer)' and 'HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer)' |
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| 18:14.59 | fredl | but does selecting one or the other also switch where audio is directed to? |
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| 18:15.32 | kevlarman | fredl: default configuration of squeeze does not have pulse installed |
| 18:15.57 | fredl | kevlarman, I believe from the past that Alsa is preferable right? |
| 18:16.15 | kevlarman | on squeeze it probably is |
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| 18:18.27 | fredl | in alsamixer I can also 'Select sound card', yet when I do, I don't hear any sound |
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| 18:22.47 | fredl | Hrmm, is there no default asound.conf on squeeze? |
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| 18:26.55 | fredl | Quiet here... again. |
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| 18:27.29 | fredl | so I create /etc/asound.conf and put pcm.!default { type hw card 1 device 3 } in there |
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| 18:28.09 | fredl | the 1 and the 3 I got from aplay -l, they're the card and device number for my HDMI audio |
| 18:28.22 | Lis | Hello everyone. How do I recreate the exim4.conf.template? |
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| 18:29.06 | Teduardo | Does anyone know why init=/bin/sh at the end of the kernel line won't let me into a shell? |
| 18:29.15 | Teduardo | trying to do an FSCK on a box, dont have the root pw |
| 18:29.22 | fredl | when I do speaker-test -c 2, it *appears* to be doing something judging from the output |
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| 18:30.07 | fredl | it's just... I don't hear it. |
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| 18:30.46 | fredl | I test if the /etc/asound.conf is being used through changing the device 3 to something that doesn't exist, then speaker-test gives an error. |
| 18:31.10 | Lis | Teduardo, another solution may be to use the debian cd. After you choose to search for install media, the installer loads additional modules needed to mount drives. You can then just select "Emergency console" and fsck from there |
| 18:31.32 | alkisg | Teduardo: it boots normally instead of dropping you to a shell? Or e.g. it stays at a splash screen, if you're e.g. using plymouth? |
| 18:31.49 | fredl | am I invisible again or something? |
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| 18:35.24 | Teduardo | alkisg: it says can't access tty: job control turned off |
| 18:35.42 | alkisg | Teduardo: but you still have a shell, right? try: bash -l |
| 18:36.01 | alkisg | I think that there's a problem with the TTYs there... |
| 18:36.04 | Teduardo | keyboard doesnt work |
| 18:36.07 | Teduardo | usb |
| 18:36.27 | alkisg | Are you using some kind of splash screen? |
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| 18:37.02 | Teduardo | nope |
| 18:37.41 | alkisg | Teduardo: try with a ps/2 keyboard... |
| 18:38.09 | alkisg | (works for me in a VM) |
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| 18:40.39 | alkisg | ...although I don't have /proc etc mounted at that point, strange |
| 18:40.51 | Teduardo | alkisg: ah ps2 doesnt exist |
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| 18:41.24 | alkisg | Teduardo: why don't you try the recovery mode instead? (single) |
| 18:41.35 | alkisg | Ah no pass |
| 18:41.39 | Teduardo | yeah |
| 18:41.42 | Teduardo | and we cant reset the pass |
| 18:41.46 | Teduardo | because it's the same thing |
| 18:41.48 | Lis | Teduardo, and my suggestion? |
| 18:42.14 | Lis | solution |
| 18:42.15 | Lis | sry |
| 18:42.46 | Lis | But how do i recreate the exim4.conf.template i dont find anything in google |
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| 18:43.24 | fredl | is #debian strictly on ad-hoc basis or is there some sort of organisation behind it that tries to assure there's always somebody here with half a clue? |
| 18:43.24 | thewanderer1 | if USB keyboard doesn't work for you on system boot, you know the BIOS is not a decent nor a sane one |
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| 18:43.57 | Teduardo | thewanderer1: it only doesn't work if we tell it to boot with init=/bin/sh or init=/bin/bash |
| 18:44.19 | jelly-home | fredl: the whole of Debian is volunteers, not just this channel |
| 18:44.20 | thewanderer1 | fredl, strictly ad-hoc. some residents, but of their own will. before you try anything else, get the newest kernel from backports - HDMI Audio is only a recent development in Linux... |
| 18:44.42 | fredl | I have 3.2.0 from backports |
| 18:44.45 | petemc | Lis: try running dpkg -S /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template, then /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:44.59 | Lis | ty |
| 18:45.02 | thewanderer1 | Teduardo, do you load the initramfs, too? |
| 18:45.20 | Teduardo | the only thing we change is at the very end we add init=/bin/bash |
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| 18:45.37 | Teduardo | we don't remove the initrd line or anything else |
| 18:45.43 | fredl | jelly-home, I know it's all volunteers, but sometimes people talk behind the screens to, well, be somewhat organized right? |
| 18:45.53 | alkisg | Teduardo: squeeze? |
| 18:46.31 | fredl | I'm not sure if it's a trend but it just seems to me like questions are being answered less and less frequently. |
| 18:46.57 | petemc | you seem to complain a lot too |
| 18:47.08 | alkisg | Teduardo: maybe you don't have the usb keyboard drivers in your initramfs... |
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| 18:47.18 | boudiccas | fredl: some questions are easy to answer, not everyone knows all the answers |
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| 18:47.34 | fredl | petemc, hardly. I usually ask my questions and give it due time for anybody to answer. |
| 18:47.55 | petemc | fredl: did you make sure to check the volume wasnt muted in alsamixer? |
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| 18:48.52 | fredl | I don't think the HDMI device can be muted, I don't see anything for it in alsamixer when I switch to the HDMI driver |
| 18:48.55 | thewanderer1 | Teduardo, the solution now is booting from some other medium, or on a machine which has a proper keyboard |
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| 18:49.35 | fredl | in fact, I can also not find how to mute/unmute the regular HDA Intel card. |
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| 18:50.12 | petemc | fredl: well, are any channels in alsamixer muted? |
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| 18:50.30 | fredl | petemc, there's only an S/PDIF checkbox in the HDA ATI HDMI |
| 18:50.30 | petemc | you press m to toggle it |
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| 18:51.33 | fredl | alright, the S/PDIF was muted. I unmuted it and now I have sound. |
| 18:51.47 | fredl | doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be honest. |
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| 18:52.12 | SinCity25 | hi |
| 18:52.17 | fredl | thanks petemc. |
| 18:52.20 | petemc | np |
| 18:53.08 | fredl | another question, I just rebooted and noticed the card number of the HDMI card changed (I also have an USB webcam). Is there a way to lock which cardnumber gets assigned? |
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| 18:54.12 | petemc | fredl: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA/#Troubleshooting |
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| 18:54.55 | Lis | Hm I did what you suggested petemc, but I get Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting |
| 18:55.34 | petemc | Lis: which package does that belong to? |
| 18:55.47 | Lis | petemc, exim4-config |
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| 18:56.25 | petemc | you could try running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and choosing non-split, then try to reinstall it |
| 18:57.19 | waqstar | I just downloaded the 3.1.2 kernel. Does anyone know how to compile it to upgrade from 2.6. Any good instructions on the web l, I've had a look, nothing. |
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| 18:58.18 | sney | waqstar: if you want a 3.x kernel in Squeeze, go to http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 18:59.55 | petemc | Lis: or, i got that backwards - try choosing split config, whatever the opposite of what you have now is |
| 19:00.05 | fredl | petemc, in that /etc/modprobe.d/sound... I'm adding options snd_hda_intel index=0, options snd_usb_audio index=1. I cannot figure out what module name to use for the hdmi device though. |
| 19:00.20 | fredl | snd_hda_codec_hdmi? |
| 19:00.42 | fredl | there doesn't seem to be a snd_hda_hdmi |
| 19:01.03 | petemc | did you look at which modules you have loaded? |
| 19:01.14 | fredl | yeah, lsmod|grep snd |
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| 19:01.48 | fredl | http://paste.debian.net/180516/ |
| 19:01.49 | waqstar | Sney: basically the nic card is not being recognized. I tried loading the appropriate module but it didn't take effect. In slackware I upgraded the kernel and the nic was working. I'm not sure how to do it in debian |
| 19:02.28 | petemc | fredl: i dont know off the of my head, but the module with hdmi in the name seems a good contender |
| 19:02.35 | sney | waqstar: what nic is it? you might just need firmware. |
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| 19:03.12 | fredl | petemc, I'll just try and see if it works I guess. When I change that modprobe.d/sound file should I recreate an initrd as well? |
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| 19:03.27 | waqstar | I've tried everything. The nic is atheros 1083. [1969:1083] |
| 19:03.59 | waqstar | The module which it requires is atl1c, I've tried that and more. |
| 19:04.14 | Lis | petemc, reconfiguring worked, thank you |
| 19:04.15 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 1969:1083 |
| 19:04.16 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
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| 19:04.55 | sney | waqstar: ok, so a kernel upgrade is appropriate, follow the instructions on the link I gave you earlier to add backports, then install the appropriate linux-image-3.2 package for your architecture |
| 19:05.04 | Mikla_fail | anyone know good email client that is usable in gnome 3 on NETBOOK :D |
| 19:05.20 | BlitzHere | sources.list has three categories, squeeze, squeeze-updates, security. Where do backports and volatile fit in. Are they the same as squeeze-updates? |
| 19:05.27 | streuner_ | Mikla_fail: try mutt or sylpheed |
| 19:05.31 | Kobzar | the best Mail client is thunderbird or mutt |
| 19:05.35 | jelly-home | Mikla_fail: how do you feel about terminal-based clients |
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| 19:05.44 | sney | BlitzHere: backports are separate, read http://backports.debian.org/ to understand more |
| 19:06.14 | sney | volatile was replaced by squeeze-updates |
| 19:06.15 | fredl | ugh, scary I remembered the command to regenerate the initrd. |
| 19:06.19 | Kobzar | somebody know how to use framework 4 on wine? |
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| 19:06.22 | Mikla_fail | Kobzar, thunderbitd is good but on low ress is bad |
| 19:06.22 | waqstar | Sney: the problem is Ethernet is the only way I can get onto the internet. |
| 19:06.35 | Mikla_fail | jelly, I used Mutt long time ago |
| 19:06.43 | fredl | lessee if this sticks... |
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| 19:07.14 | waqstar | Sney: so I have to compile myself. |
| 19:07.17 | sney | waqstar: ah, well, kernels don't have much in the way of dependencies. if you go to the package search on http://backports.debian.org/ you can directly download the kernel-image deb and the updated linux-base, then sneakernet them over and install with dpkg -i |
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| 19:07.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell waqstar about bdo kernel |
| 19:08.04 | BlitzHere | sney: okay, that's main, updates, backports and security. Volatile is the same as backports? |
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| 19:08.09 | Kobzar | Mikla_fail: then used web mail on Gmail, but if you used opera - you can used opera mail plugin. |
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| 19:08.31 | sney | BlitzHere: no, volatile is no longer used and was replaced by updates. Backports is for optional newer versions of software |
| 19:08.36 | jelly-home | waqstar: download the packages manually and transfer via usb stick |
| 19:08.36 | jordanm | BlitzHere: volatile was renamed to updates as of squeeze |
| 19:08.44 | waqstar | So download the image, use dpkg -I to install? |
| 19:08.49 | sney | jelly-home: thanks for saying it again man, I'm sure that really helped |
| 19:08.54 | sney | waqstar: yes, lower case i |
| 19:09.10 | waqstar | Sney: kewl. Thanks |
| 19:09.22 | jelly-home | sney: sneakernet and usb stick are completely different things! |
| 19:09.24 | sney | you'll need both linux-image and linux-base but that's it. |
| 19:09.49 | sney | jelly-home: aye, in that sneakernet is a generic catchall for whatever his situation is, and usb stick is needlessly specific. ;) |
| 19:09.52 | BlitzHere | sney, jordanm: thanks! Now I can go about configuring things |
| 19:10.27 | themill | sney: also initramfs-tools |
| 19:10.36 | sney | waqstar: ^ |
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| 19:11.56 | jelly-home | the kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ installer is an option if waqstar does not mind installing anew |
| 19:14.14 | Kobzar | i needed used some exe on my linux with framework 4 . who know what kind os windows i make used then resourses in Vbox is small use? |
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| 19:15.06 | sney | Kobzar: say again? |
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| 19:17.20 | Kobzar | i whant used some windows program with used framework 4 on my linux. Wine is not work. So i am install Vbox, and i need select some os type to install |
| 19:17.34 | Kobzar | but i whant then os do not used many ssytem resourses ! |
| 19:18.27 | jordanm | Kobzar: we don't have any control over how much resources Windows in a VM takes |
| 19:18.33 | sney | that's not really a debian question anyway. |
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| 19:19.41 | Kobzar | but may be are you know how to install dotnet 4 in wine? |
| 19:19.43 | ngc0202 | Hello :) |
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| 19:19.59 | DaWoop | I know linux is versatile |
| 19:19.59 | jordanm | Kobzar: try using winetricks |
| 19:20.03 | waqstar | Sney: which one do I install first. The image or base? |
| 19:20.05 | DaWoop | can I instell it on my toaster? |
| 19:20.13 | DaWoop | install |
| 19:20.19 | DaWoop | instull |
| 19:20.22 | DaWoop | instoll |
| 19:20.29 | sney | waqstar: go base, initramfs-tools, image - though it won't make a big difference |
| 19:20.46 | jordanm | DaWoop: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml |
| 19:20.49 | sney | DaWoop: no, it needs a cpu with an existing port and some kind of storage device. |
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| 19:20.56 | BlitzHere | So, in the Plymouth configuration here |
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| 19:21.02 | BlitzHere | http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
| 19:21.05 | DaWoop | it's got |
| 19:21.08 | DaWoop | an HDD |
| 19:21.11 | waqstar | Do I have to get initramfs-tools. Same website? |
| 19:21.15 | DaWoop | a 4K HDMI output |
| 19:21.28 | sney | waqstar: yes, same website. themill reminded me and I tried to tell you |
| 19:21.34 | BlitzHere | There are no instructions for GeForce drivers. Should I use noveau? |
| 19:21.47 | DaWoop | a 5D video time-consuming screen Infrared TM |
| 19:21.49 | sney | !tell BlitzHere about nvidia dkms |
| 19:21.51 | Priyantha | plymouth doesn't work here :( |
| 19:21.54 | jordanm | if nobeau works for your needs, yes |
| 19:22.07 | sney | BlitzHere: you can use nouveau for a lot of desktop tasks; if you need 3d, follow the instructions dpkg just sent you |
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| 19:22.27 | Priyantha | I am also using nvidia :P and want to use their prop driver because of 3D accel and stuff on my mobile Quadro :) |
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| 19:23.01 | ngc0202 | I was installing Debian from the NETINSTALL CD on the website |
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| 19:23.11 | ngc0202 | And it said it needed some extra files for presumably my wifi |
| 19:23.18 | sney | !firmware image |
| 19:23.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 19:23.24 | sney | ngc0202: ^ use this one instead |
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| 19:24.04 | ngc0202 | sney: Reinstall with that ISO? |
| 19:24.16 | sney | ngc0202: oh, did you complete the install? |
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| 19:25.04 | ngc0202 | sney: Yeah |
| 19:25.17 | ngc0202 | I'm perfectly fine with reformatting it and starting over |
| 19:25.28 | sney | ngc0202: if you completed the install, do lspci -nn |grep -i net to determine your wifi nic's pci id, and tell us what it is - it's formatted [xxxx:xxxx} |
| 19:25.35 | sney | er ] on the end |
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| 19:26.49 | ngc0202 | sney: Could I just reinstall anyway? |
| 19:27.03 | ngc0202 | I think I messed some things up that I'd like to fix |
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| 19:27.18 | sney | ngc0202: well, if you want to redo it you can go ahead. installing a firmware package is easy though |
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| 19:28.41 | sney | waqstar: please keep your questions in the channel |
| 19:28.48 | BlitzHere | sney: I usually get the 173.xx packages that I need from the non-free repo and I then run nvidia-xconfig to configure xorg.conf. This has been working fine for me. Now the problem is that I don't know how to configure Plymouth with GeForce drivers. I need GeForce drivers to work as long as the desktop is running as it is about to be used by a non techie and it needs to avoid command-line... |
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| 19:29.39 | ChibaPet | HHey, can someone tell me if -1 is a valid priority (min, priority, max) for a preseed disk spec where I want the partition to take up all possible space? I think I want -1 -1 -1 but I'd love advice. |
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| 19:29.45 | sney | BlitzHere: oh, I didn't see that your first question was split up into 3 lines |
| 19:30.03 | BlitzHere | sney: sorry about that |
| 19:30.30 | BlitzHere | notes to self: Don't use enter as punctuation |
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| 19:31.49 | waqstar | The base and initram installed but when trying to install the image it comes up with an error. Wait ill transfer it to a USB and pastebin it |
| 19:32.26 | martinarielhartm | hi, I always had problems with debian and wifi in my laptop (I don't have them with ubuntu). anyone is keen to help? |
| 19:32.28 | waqstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.40 | martinarielhartm | basically I cannot connect to my wpa2 |
| 19:32.42 | sney | BlitzHere: ignore the plymouth howto, and follow the part on this page http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition called "grub2 and the vga parameter" to get your console resolution. |
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| 19:33.03 | sney | waqstar: get the whole output if you can |
| 19:33.28 | BlitzHere | sney: thanks. I'll take a look |
| 19:33.41 | martinarielhartm | I tried many online how-to's but they don't work... |
| 19:34.14 | sney | martinarielhartm: what debian version? what wifi nic? what method are you using to configure your network? |
| 19:34.38 | ChibaPet | I guess I'll just experiment. Once again, my question stumps the local crowd. :P |
| 19:36.14 | sney | ChibaPet: the local crowd right now seems to just be me and I have my hands full, but I'd still just say try it and see |
| 19:36.16 | martinarielhartm | sney: the latest debian, same problem both in stable and experimental |
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| 19:36.38 | martinarielhartm | what does wifi nic mean? |
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| 19:36.52 | jhutchins_wk | martinarielhartm: What chipset? |
| 19:36.53 | martinarielhartm | and the method would be the typical, network manager |
| 19:36.59 | sney | martinarielhartm: what is the output of 'cat /etc/debian_version' and your wifi nic is your wireless network card |
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| 19:37.22 | waqstar | Sney: pastebin.com/EH3S1pXc |
| 19:37.25 | BlitzHere | And another question. I'm installing wheezy alpha1. Which linux image should I use for a 2001 first gen P4 with 512MB RAM. linux-image-686, linux-image-686-bigmem, linux-image-686-pae, linux-image-rt-686-pae? There are also, specific versions (3.2.0.3). Should I go for the specific versions or the metapackages? |
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| 19:37.43 | martinarielhartm | okay so at the moment is wheezy/sid |
| 19:37.45 | sney | BlitzHere: go for metapackages if you want automatic upgrades to new kernels |
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| 19:37.50 | ChibaPet | sney Yeah. Can't hurt. Trying on a crash and burn box. I also need to figure out if grub can take the same kind of split-device format that raid installs take. I'll report back once I learn something. Might not be until Thursday, but I'll let you know. |
| 19:38.00 | martinarielhartm | but stable version also had the same problem |
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| 19:38.21 | martinarielhartm | and how do I know which wireless card I have? |
| 19:38.33 | jhutchins_wk | BlitzHere: What is the reason for the "bigmem" kernel being available? |
| 19:38.45 | sney | BlitzHere: 686-pae is the most commonly used one, it includes the ability to address memory over the usual 32-bit limit |
| 19:39.06 | jhutchins_wk | sney: What's the difference between that and bigmem? |
| 19:39.30 | BlitzHere | sney: Thanks! I'll read up about the differences later. Thanks for now! |
| 19:39.32 | sney | jhutchins_wk: none, afaik. I don't know why a bigmem kernel would be available either |
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| 19:39.52 | sney | waqstar: try running 'aptitude -f install' |
| 19:39.59 | jhutchins_wk | sney: It's hard to keep up. Most other distros don't even offer the non-pae kernels. |
| 19:40.08 | jhutchins_wk | I guess we don't either now. |
| 19:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | !kernels |
| 19:40.16 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.5 , stable 3.4: 3.4.6 , stable 3.3: 3.3.8 (EOL), stable 3.2: 3.2.23 , stable 3.0: 3.0.38 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.12 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.59 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.62 , linux-next: next-20120724 |
| 19:40.18 | BlitzHere | Hmm, I'm using wheezy alpha1 installer |
| 19:40.23 | fredl | hmm, so now I have set up my system so the HDMI sound card gets used by default, alsamixer has it unmuted and the load order of the modules is predictable. I also noticed though that I cannot mute the HDMI sound card nor can I change the volume with the mixer, is that to be expected? |
| 19:40.35 | sney | waqstar: wait wait, are you sure you want the 486 kernel? is this a very old system? |
| 19:40.58 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: I think that's expected, HDMI expects volume to be controlled by the connected device. |
| 19:41.03 | waqstar | I don't mind. As long as the Ethernet card starts working |
| 19:41.27 | fredl | fair enough, tnx. |
| 19:41.36 | sney | waqstar: well, you could just remove at for the time being I guess. that's probably what aptitude will offer as a solution. once you have networking you can get things back to where they should be |
| 19:42.05 | waqstar | Sney: aptitude did not work. It says no.packages will be installed. |
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| 19:42.47 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, also, I now have this system hooked up to a HDMI TV I have here.... downstairs where this system is to go I have an AV amp. The amp supports surround sound, this TV does not. Do you know if alsa will detect that it has surround capability? |
| 19:43.13 | sney | waqstar: if you don't mind, I'd recommend going back to your networked system and downloading the 686 linux-image instead |
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| 19:44.05 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: I don't know about how alsa handles DVD. I think it's just line out, and it's interpreted by the remote device. It's probably digital. |
| 19:44.09 | waqstar | Sney: kewl. |
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| 19:44.53 | martinarielhartm | I ask again, how do I know which network wifi card I have? |
| 19:45.05 | fredl | hmm guess I'll just have to try and see. aplay -L lists a bunch of surround devices on the standard Intel HD card but not (now) on the HDMI |
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| 19:45.25 | ManoftheSea | martinarielhartm: you look at the card? |
| 19:45.30 | petemc | fredl: if you have a decent amp you will want it to do passthrough anyway and let the amp handle it |
| 19:45.34 | sney | martinarielhartm: lspci |grep -i net |
| 19:45.36 | ManoftheSea | also, you might check your receipt or the output of lspci |
| 19:46.41 | waqstar | Sney. I just did that --auto-deconfigure and it worked |
| 19:47.10 | waqstar | Ethernet is working and uname shows 3.2 kernel. |
| 19:47.24 | sney | !congratulate waqstar |
| 19:47.24 | dpkg | Good show waqstar, you did it! |
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| 19:47.44 | waqstar | Thanks sney for the help. |
| 19:47.53 | waqstar | !thank Sney |
| 19:47.53 | dpkg | gern geschehen, waqstar |
| 19:47.58 | maplesoft | is there a program to capture screen and sound and which can edit (cut and join clips of recorded video)? |
| 19:47.58 | atrigent | where is the actual menu.lst file used by grub? /boot/grub/menu.lst just has those automagic comment things |
| 19:48.11 | martinarielhartm | okay so it's Atheros AR2413/AR2414 [AR5005G (S) 801.11BG] (rev 01) |
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| 19:48.42 | martinarielhartm | sney: now you know everything you asked :) |
| 19:49.21 | maplesoft | dpkg me? |
| 19:49.22 | dpkg | maplesoft: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 19:50.56 | martinarielhartm | so any diagnosis? |
| 19:51.17 | atrigent | is it /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:51.18 | atrigent | ? |
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| 19:53.36 | SiDz | lol |
| 19:54.03 | rysiek|pl | nigga please... |
| 19:54.35 | ManoftheSea | um... |
| 19:54.38 | ManoftheSea | what? |
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| 19:59.52 | ompaul | !ops rysiek|pl might want a muting |
| 19:59.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: rysiek|pl might want a muting |
| 19:59.56 | martinarielhartm | jhutchins_wk, sney? |
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| 20:01.33 | rysiek|pl | ompaul: that waas a remark about the "Linux for Niggers" announcement above |
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| 20:01.41 | rysiek|pl | meant as a joke |
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| 20:02.05 | themill | ignoring the spam is a better plan all ronud |
| 20:02.08 | rysiek|pl | if anybody felt offended, I'm sorry, but really I don't think it should be taken *that* seriously |
| 20:02.13 | rysiek|pl | themill: sure |
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| 20:03.56 | DusteD | dunno why I felt compelled to download that iso, I did and lol.. |
| 20:04.04 | jhutchins_wk | martinarielhartm: What was the question? |
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| 20:04.38 | martinarielhartm | about wireless network not working... |
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| 20:04.58 | somiaj | martinarielhartm: did you install non-free firmware for your wirless interface (common issue) |
| 20:05.27 | martinarielhartm | somiaj: I don't think I did. |
| 20:06.05 | somiaj | martinarielhartm: well use lspci to determine your wireless chipset. use dmesg to see what info you can find out about the wireless module loading (it will usually complain about firmware if it is missing) |
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| 20:06.19 | somiaj | and the debian wiki usually has nice instructions to help you once you know which wireless chipset you are using. |
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| 20:11.08 | martinarielhartm | somiaj, my chipset is Atheros AR2413/AR2414 |
| 20:11.08 | martinarielhartm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.44 | somiaj | martinarielhartm: http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 20:11.54 | martinarielhartm | okay now it works. it just takes an hour to connect! |
| 20:11.59 | martinarielhartm | why? |
| 20:12.05 | ngc0202 | sney: My wifi still isn't working |
| 20:12.14 | martinarielhartm | it connected automatically but it took like an hour! |
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| 20:12.50 | ngc0202 | sney: I installed with the .iso you sent me, and it still isn't working... |
| 20:12.55 | somiaj | yea seems that device doens't require anything special to work, not sure what is causing the issues with your wireless martinarielhartm |
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| 20:14.50 | iateadonut | i'm working to connect to an smtp server through a php script, but i can only do it through root. |
| 20:14.52 | ngc0202 | Why won't my wifi work on Debian... |
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| 20:15.17 | iateadonut | i've flushed out my iptables |
| 20:15.37 | jhutchins_wk | iateadonut: Try it with telnet first. |
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| 20:15.47 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: because your computer is actually a potato |
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| 20:15.54 | abrotman | ... |
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| 20:15.57 | martinarielhartm | okay thanks anyway somiaj |
| 20:15.57 | ManoftheSea | in light of no further complains, your problem is solved. |
| 20:15.58 | martinarielhartm | time to go |
| 20:16.01 | martinarielhartm | bye! |
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| 20:16.42 | ngc0202 | ManoftheSea: ... |
| 20:16.45 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: did you post what you were using? |
| 20:16.53 | ngc0202 | What what? |
| 20:17.07 | ManoftheSea | What is your situation? |
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| 20:17.20 | ompaul | !tell ngc0202 about wifi |
| 20:17.22 | ManoftheSea | I didn't see a recent statement of your wifi card, your distro, etc. |
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| 20:18.49 | iateadonut | i'm able to telnet in with root or user |
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| 20:19.04 | iateadonut | but only able to connect to smtp with root |
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| 20:19.34 | thewanderer1 | iateadonut, how are you connecting to smtp? |
| 20:20.17 | DusteD | someone should put telnet in insecure-legacy-tools |
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| 20:20.53 | iateadonut | through phpMailer |
| 20:20.57 | jelly-home | derpy hooves runs telnet for him and always types in the port as 52 |
| 20:21.13 | ManoftheSea | neighs in annoyance. |
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| 20:21.25 | iateadonut | it's odd, because the problem occurred on two different debian servers |
| 20:21.38 | Losowski | thewanderer1: Can you do me a favor and type a 'foreign' font in for me, perhaps in German or French? |
| 20:21.58 | iateadonut | i'm running mandriva on my laptop, which can still connect to the smtp server by a user rather than root |
| 20:22.02 | ManoftheSea | do you mean an accented character? |
| 20:22.05 | Losowski | ooops, should have been in off-topic |
| 20:22.07 | Losowski | sorry |
| 20:22.09 | ManoftheSea | Because German isn't a font. |
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| 20:23.50 | gnarface | 這是題外話在 Debian |
| 20:24.02 | ngc0202 | Hahaha |
| 20:24.10 | ngc0202 | "Because German isn't a font" :D |
| 20:24.11 | iateadonut | 这也是 |
| 20:24.28 | ngc0202 | über! |
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| 20:25.49 | Brustofski-Fan | is there a howto for ati or what ever they call call it anymore |
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| 20:26.58 | iateadonut | so i'm not sure what would cause that. |
| 20:27.07 | iateadonut | unless i didn't flush out ip tables correctly. |
| 20:27.25 | thewanderer1 | iateadonut, is there an error message that you're getting? also, are you using UID matches or what? |
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| 20:29.06 | iateadonut | i'm only getting this error message: SMTP -> ERROR: Failed to connect to server: (0) |
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| 20:29.55 | iateadonut | from root, i'm getting this: SMTP -> FROM SERVER:220 mx.google.com ESMTP (and a sent email) |
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| 20:30.51 | TheWarden | Hi, is there a package one can install to have GD Graphics library for PHP? I have Debian squeeze installed 64-bit. |
| 20:31.00 | mikeey | php5-gd |
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| 20:31.49 | TheWarden | ahh thanks I just found it just before you said that :-). |
| 20:31.58 | ngc0202 | "An error has been detected while trying to use the specified Debian archive mirror" |
| 20:32.01 | DusteD | not broken anymore? |
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| 20:32.08 | ngc0202 | I'm using ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:32.12 | ngc0202 | I think it's my wifi... |
| 20:32.44 | DusteD | last I tried php gd from debian bugs against it were 5 years old and marked "bohoo we don't want to keep two packages that are almost identical so instead we will cripple gdlib by removing functionality" |
| 20:33.34 | mikeey | it works fine for me, atleast |
| 20:33.47 | DusteD | tried ImageRotate() ? |
| 20:33.53 | mikeey | no |
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| 20:33.59 | mikeey | I only use it for vBulletin |
| 20:34.00 | echo083 | hello |
| 20:34.17 | DusteD | okay, since 2005, and it was still broken when I tried in 2011 xD http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321237 |
| 20:34.23 | themill | DusteD: php's gd is still a broken mess, yes. It fits in well with the rest of php. |
| 20:34.25 | ngc0202 | anyone...? |
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| 20:34.54 | jelly-home | themill: and it's a sad thing even that broken mess has more functionality than Debian's php5-gd |
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| 20:35.15 | DusteD | themill, you are right about that, and it suits debian perfectly :) |
| 20:35.24 | ChibaPet | ngc0202: It's probably your wifi, but you can try other mirrors, or you can try connecting to those "by hand". |
| 20:35.25 | themill | jelly-home: only if you use it from within php |
| 20:35.38 | DusteD | I say, and still prefer debian uber alles :) |
| 20:36.05 | ngc0202 | DusteD: über or ueber |
| 20:36.08 | jelly-home | me too, but we rebuild own php for web hosting usage |
| 20:36.17 | diverdude | If i go into the "network connections" control panel and set MTU = 8192 for eth0, and press save and then afterwards go to the console and write ifconfig, i can see that it says MTU = 1500. Why is that when i just set it to 8192? |
| 20:36.24 | ChibaPet | ngc0202: can you access the sites listed in your sources.list by hand? |
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| 20:36.39 | ChibaPet | ☭ |
| 20:36.49 | ngc0202 | ChibaPet: I think it's my wifi, but what do you mean by hand? |
| 20:36.50 | DusteD | ngc0202, Yber ;) |
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| 20:37.05 | Kobzar | x |
| 20:37.09 | ngc0202 | DusteD: ...? |
| 20:37.25 | ChibaPet | ngc0202: Look at the file. (Look at it.) You should see stuff that looks suspiciously like web addresses. |
| 20:37.32 | ChibaPet | ngc0202: Plonk one into your browser. |
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| 20:37.45 | ChibaPet | For instance, if you have deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ wheezy main |
| 20:37.56 | ChibaPet | then try the http part in your browser |
| 20:38.15 | ngc0202 | ChibaPet: Yeah it works. The problem is my wifi configuration on Debian |
| 20:38.31 | ChibaPet | If it works, that suggests your wifi works. |
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| 20:39.15 | ngc0202 | ChibaPet: I'm in the Debian netinstall thing, installing it. I don't have access to a browser |
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| 20:40.25 | ChibaPet | So, when you said it works, you were pulling my leg. Gotcha. |
| 20:40.33 | ngc0202 | ChibaPet: No, I did it on my PC |
| 20:40.38 | ngc0202 | Which is what I'm using IRC on |
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| 20:41.01 | TehRabbitt-Work | hey, how can I force down eth2 and eth3 if ifup and ifdown aren't working? |
| 20:41.03 | ChibaPet | So, does your wireless network require any sort of encryption? |
| 20:41.10 | TehRabbitt-Work | i know someone told me you can use the "IP" command, just forget how |
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| 20:41.16 | ManoftheSea | TehRabbitt-Work: ifconfig eth2 down |
| 20:41.18 | ChibaPet | TehRabbitt-Work: sudo ifconfig foo down |
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| 20:41.27 | ngc0202 | ChibaPet: No, it's unencrypted and unprotected |
| 20:41.27 | TehRabbitt-Work | doesn't work |
| 20:41.29 | ngc0202 | It's completely open |
| 20:41.46 | ngc0202 | (Although it wouldn't be if I had a say in it) |
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| 20:42.03 | TehRabbitt-Work | hm now it did, weird |
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| 20:42.18 | ChibaPet | I believe you can get a shell on another console. I suspect from there you can drive dhclient and ifconfig by hand. |
| 20:42.50 | ngc0202 | I haven't even installed the OS yet |
| 20:43.04 | ChibaPet | Right. But I believe those tools are available to you nonetheless. |
| 20:43.35 | ngc0202 | Ok yeah. I'm at the shell |
| 20:43.49 | ChibaPet | Try alt-f2, whack enter a couple times, see if you have a shell. See if you can access /sbin/ifconfig. See if you can access /sbin/dhclient |
| 20:43.59 | ngc0202 | Yeah i'm there |
| 20:44.02 | echo083 | TehRabbitt-Work, did you try the --force option with ifdown ? |
| 20:44.03 | ChibaPet | if you can, I think you can say ifconfig wlan0 up ; dhclient wlan0 |
| 20:44.21 | ChibaPet | Although it's conceivable you need funny firmware for your wireless connection. |
| 20:44.30 | ChibaPet | Does ifconfig -a show you your wlan0? |
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| 20:45.38 | ngc0202 | -/bin/sh: ifconfig: not found |
| 20:45.46 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: sudo -s |
| 20:45.56 | ManoftheSea | or, su - |
| 20:45.59 | ngc0202 | sudo: not found |
| 20:46.00 | Theoden | What is the default desktop for a new debian install these days? |
| 20:46.19 | echo083 | Theoden, gnome |
| 20:46.22 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: you should get a # prompt. Try the ifconfig again |
| 20:46.26 | Theoden | Which version? |
| 20:46.44 | ngc0202 | I started with the # prompt |
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| 20:46.59 | Theoden | echo083: Which version? |
| 20:47.04 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: and no ifconfig? That's queer. |
| 20:47.21 | ManoftheSea | okay... ip link show dev wlan0 |
| 20:47.39 | ngc0202 | I'm on the ISO sney sent me |
| 20:47.49 | echo083 | Theoden, 2.30 |
| 20:47.56 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: I don't know what ISO that is. Would you mind telling me? |
| 20:47.57 | ChibaPet | ngc0202: echo /sbin/ifconfig |
| 20:48.04 | Theoden | echo083: Thank you. |
| 20:48.09 | ChibaPet | ngc0202: echo /sbin/dhclient |
| 20:48.18 | Theoden | echo083: Do you know if 3 is available in backports? |
| 20:48.25 | ChibaPet | Ur, sorry, put * after each. |
| 20:48.44 | ChibaPet | echo /sbin/dhclient* ; echo /sbin/ifconfig* |
| 20:48.47 | echo083 | Theoden, no the 3 version is only available in wheezy at the moment |
| 20:48.55 | Theoden | k |
| 20:48.57 | ngc0202 | ChibaPet: It just prints that back... Why wouldn't it? |
| 20:49.20 | ChibaPet | Sorry, you want the * so it does what I meant. echo /sbin/ifconfig* |
| 20:49.24 | ManoftheSea | ChibaPet: perhaps find /sbin -name "dhclient*" would work better. |
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| 20:49.40 | Twinkletoes|H | I simply can't remember how to configure users in postfix, without adding them to /etc/passwd. Any ideas? |
| 20:49.44 | ChibaPet | ManoftheSea: Is find available from an install console shell? |
| 20:49.51 | ManoftheSea | ChibaPet: is ifconfig? |
| 20:49.53 | ChibaPet | Hell, ls works too, but I don't remember what he's got available. |
| 20:49.59 | ManoftheSea | I'm surprised it isn't. |
| 20:50.28 | ManoftheSea | what environment is he in? What's this ISO? |
| 20:50.45 | ngc0202 | I don't know! Ask sney! |
| 20:50.52 | ngc0202 | I don't have it anymore |
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| 20:51.13 | ManoftheSea | you booted it! |
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| 20:51.55 | ngc0202 | "firmware-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso" |
| 20:52.31 | ManoftheSea | He provided you a netinstall iso with your firmware already on it? |
| 20:52.38 | ManoftheSea | Did you have the "ip" command? |
| 20:52.48 | ngc0202 | Yeah |
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| 20:53.45 | ngc0202 | I have the ip command |
| 20:54.02 | ManoftheSea | what do you get from "ip link show dev wlan0" |
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| 20:54.43 | ngc0202 | 4: wlan0 <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN qlen 1000 |
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| 20:55.08 | ManoftheSea | ok. And you're trying to register that to an open ap? |
| 20:55.16 | ngc0202 | I... am I? |
| 20:55.28 | ManoftheSea | Remind me what you're trying to do? |
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| 20:55.45 | ngc0202 | It doesn't appear to be configuring |
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| 20:55.53 | freebird | you guys, hello |
| 20:56.16 | ngc0202 | In the "Configure the network" part of the install, it says "Attempting to find an available wireless network failed." |
| 20:56.19 | freebird | please, my squeeze is not using xorg.conf, which file is in use ? please ? |
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| 20:56.48 | ManoftheSea | then yes, I believe you would like to try to manually configure it, to test if it works, ngc0202 |
| 20:56.55 | ngc0202 | I already did |
| 20:57.08 | ManoftheSea | and you were able to access the internet? |
| 20:57.11 | ngc0202 | It didn't give any errors, but when I tried to set up the download mirror thing it failed |
| 20:57.24 | ManoftheSea | "ip addr show dev wlan0" |
| 20:58.30 | ngc0202 | It printed two things |
| 20:58.49 | ManoftheSea | were either of them an ipv4 or an ipv6-global address? |
| 20:59.15 | ngc0202 | I don't think so... |
| 20:59.26 | ManoftheSea | scope link? |
| 20:59.32 | ngc0202 | The hell is that |
| 20:59.35 | ManoftheSea | you'd want "scope global" |
| 20:59.37 | ManoftheSea | What did it print? |
| 21:00.00 | ngc0202 | scope: not found |
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| 21:01.07 | evilbulgarian | hi, i am trying to send an trap to this oid http://support.ipmonitor.com/mibs/POWERNET-MIB/item.aspx?id=rPDUOutletControlOutletCommand with the following without success http://bpaste.net/show/6Q9eWWi90zuwndKRunza/ any help? |
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| 21:01.12 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: sorry, I was unclear. What did the "ip addr" command print? |
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| 21:02.01 | ngc0202 | ManoftheSea: It'd be kinda long to type |
| 21:02.16 | ManoftheSea | summarize for me? |
| 21:02.29 | ngc0202 | It printed the same thing as the IP link show thing, except twice |
| 21:02.33 | ngc0202 | But the 2nd one is a bit different |
| 21:03.15 | ManoftheSea | ok. So, you don't have an address. Do you have "iwconfig" or "iw"? |
| 21:03.26 | ngc0202 | wlan0: <NO-CARIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> |
| 21:03.44 | ngc0202 | ManoftheSea: Neither |
| 21:03.59 | ManoftheSea | Hmm. Then I don't know how you can set up a wifi connection. |
| 21:03.59 | Brustofski-Fan | When i installed squeeze today grub would not install got lilo to install... then upgrade to wheezy.. just apt-get install grub .. grup-update.. everything looks good in grub.cfg ... uninstalled lilo... but its still booting from lilo |
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| 21:04.13 | ManoftheSea | You may not have the necessary tools. |
| 21:05.05 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: grub-install <device> ? |
| 21:05.30 | ngc0202 | But... |
| 21:05.42 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: so grun-install sda? |
| 21:05.50 | ngc0202 | Then what am I supposed to do then? Give up with debian? |
| 21:06.12 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: I'm unable to confirm your spelling or your device. |
| 21:06.15 | ManoftheSea | but yes. |
| 21:06.27 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: you might attempt a debootstrap install. |
| 21:06.32 | ngc0202 | Uh? |
| 21:06.37 | ManoftheSea | I had to do so to install on my netbook. |
| 21:06.44 | ManoftheSea | No CD, no boot from USB, wifi only. |
| 21:06.45 | ngc0202 | What's that? |
| 21:06.52 | ManoftheSea | a bit extreme... |
| 21:07.03 | ngc0202 | Wait, but how do I install from wifi I can't even access it... |
| 21:07.04 | ManoftheSea | You have no way of using a wired connection? |
| 21:07.43 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: so run grub-install again but grub-install sda... then grub-update again |
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| 21:10.31 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: that seems to be the trouble, doesn't it. I believe the netinstall you got doesn't have the userspace wifi setup tools |
| 21:10.31 | ngc0202 | I could, if I went down to my basement |
| 21:10.31 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: I came to the conversation late. What is your ultimate goal, and the confounding factors? |
| 21:10.32 | ManoftheSea | because if you can get wired, that'd be a faster and easier install |
| 21:10.32 | ngc0202 | I just want wifi to work on Debian |
| 21:10.32 | ManoftheSea | you have a Debian install already? |
| 21:10.32 | ngc0202 | No, I'm still in the uh |
| 21:10.32 | ngc0202 | Installer |
| 21:10.32 | jelly-home | !kmuto |
| 21:10.33 | jelly-home | dpkg: test |
| 21:10.33 | ngc0202 | And I could access a wired thing, but that could only be temporary |
| 21:10.33 | ManoftheSea | And you previously had a problem with Wifi, and are reinstalling because of that? |
| 21:10.33 | ngc0202 | Yeah |
| 21:10.34 | ngc0202 | I already cleared the previous version |
| 21:10.34 | ManoftheSea | But you had the ath5k card? |
| 21:10.34 | ngc0202 | The what? |
| 21:10.34 | ManoftheSea | did you provide output of lspci? |
| 21:10.34 | ngc0202 | Uh, I don't think s |
| 21:10.34 | ngc0202 | +o |
| 21:10.34 | jelly-home | anyhoo, the installer images at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ was some wireless/WPA support |
| 21:10.35 | jelly-home | s/was/have/ |
| 21:10.35 | sney | the iso I showed him was the squeeze installer with firmware included |
| 21:10.35 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 21:10.48 | ManoftheSea | sney: it looked like he didn't have iw or iwconfig. |
| 21:11.07 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're slow |
| 21:11.07 | sney | well, that's not totally weird for a netinstall that fails to find a network |
| 21:11.07 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 21:11.22 | ngc0202 | :) |
| 21:11.32 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: root@mikes-laptop:/home/mike# grub-install sda /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `sda'. |
| 21:11.34 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: just grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 21:14.06 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: it said no error reported so i should beable to boot grub then now right |
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| 21:14.55 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: complete the install with the wired connection. You'll have to repeat steps anyway with the installed software. |
| 21:14.56 | ManoftheSea | sney: how would you configure the wifi on the installer from the cmdline? |
| 21:14.56 | ManoftheSea | what userspace tool> |
| 21:14.56 | ngc0202 | So I'll go downstairs and finish the install, then I'll come back here? |
| 21:14.56 | ManoftheSea | er, question-mark |
| 21:14.56 | ngc0202 | Because I don't know what to do next then haha |
| 21:14.56 | frostschutz | I'd just use any other live cd/usb that gives wifi out of the box and debootstrap from there |
| 21:14.57 | ManoftheSea | frostschutz: he's got ethernet wire and a mobile computer. The d-i is fine, the debootstrap is sorta advanced. |
| 21:14.57 | sney | ManoftheSea: I'd just make the installer do it. boot into expert mode, maybe, so I could keep retrying. if it's wpa I'd just install over wired or with CD-1 |
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| 21:14.58 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: yes. Get debian on the computer, then we'll take the next step. |
| 21:15.07 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: try it and see (tias) |
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| 21:16.27 | Brustofski-Fan | ok |
| 21:16.58 | ManoftheSea | HA HA, I'm helping people on the interweb! |
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| 21:19.17 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: well? |
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| 21:20.08 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: Thanks it worked... Grub seems to knock alittle off boot time to |
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| 21:20.27 | ManoftheSea | yay for you. |
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| 21:20.37 | ManoftheSea | dpkg: yay |
| 21:20.38 | dpkg | yay! |
| 21:22.37 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: i know why i use a normal keyboard on this laptop... The mouse on the laptop is so sensitive.plus the keys are so flat.. easy typo's |
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| 21:26.23 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: that's cool. |
| 21:26.37 | ManoftheSea | I understood the typo, was just playing around./ |
| 21:26.44 | ManoftheSea | see what I did there? I make mistakes too |
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| 21:27.23 | Losowski | ManoftheSea: So you're calling yourself 'almost perfect'? |
| 21:27.45 | Losowski | ;) |
| 21:27.54 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: putting grub-install interminal... i did the same as i did to you.. grun |
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| 21:29.06 | ParkerR | Just wanting to say <3 debian |
| 21:29.16 | Brustofski-Fan | Any other package manager gui's beside synaptic? |
| 21:29.36 | sney | I think the gnome default software-center is different |
| 21:29.42 | ManoftheSea | Losowski: what? |
| 21:29.49 | ManoftheSea | Brustofski-Fan: aptitude |
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| 21:29.59 | sney | fsvo "gui" |
| 21:30.12 | ManoftheSea | ah, so. |
| 21:30.26 | ManoftheSea | aptitude is a tui |
| 21:30.26 | Brustofski-Fan | ManoftheSea: i like aptitude.. but don't like that text dui |
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| 21:30.38 | Brustofski-Fan | gui |
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| 21:31.08 | Brustofski-Fan | sney: im in kde |
| 21:31.10 | frikinz_ | Hi all. Does anyone know if its possible to install a debian in a samba share (through debootsrap). It keeps on telling me Cannot install into target '/tmp/debian' mounted with noexec or nodev ? I mount with mount -t cifs [...] -o [..],exec,dev. |
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| 21:32.00 | sney | Brustofski-Fan: hmm, #debian-kde on irc.debian.org might have a recommendation, or you could search with debtags |
| 21:32.20 | sney | frikinz_: cifs is not a supported filesystem, for one thing it lacks permissions |
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| 21:33.47 | frikinz_ | not supported by what? debootstrap? |
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| 21:35.33 | freebird | you guys, please, I want to set the option 1024x768 in my system->options->screen, which file should I edit for that ? |
| 21:37.07 | barhom | http://imgur.com/KEpRP is a network Diagram of my "Office 1" and "Office 2" which I am to connect with VPN with two identical routers, one acting as a server and one acting as client. Office 2 will solely use Office 1 VPN to get out to the internet. My question is that I am unsure on how to configure the bridging (through VPN) between the two routers. The image should explain pretty well on how the network is wired. |
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| 21:39.12 | barhom | Its specifically on how to configure the PPTP interfaces that I am unsure of, i.e. should they have a specific IP? Set to bridging or anything that somebody could recommend. |
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| 21:43.35 | ManoftheSea | freebird: it depends on your DE. In gnome, look under system settings->displays |
| 21:45.03 | freebird | the config file, I should edit, because it's not showing in this place, but I know that if I edit the file, than I'm able to go to 1024.x768, like it was before I changed from xfce4 to gnome |
| 21:45.07 | freebird | ManoftheSea, |
| 21:45.44 | jelly-home | freebird: does "xrandr" command in the terminal show your desired resolution? |
| 21:46.17 | freebird | jelly-home, Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 800 x 600, maximum 4096 x 4096 |
| 21:46.28 | jelly-home | pastebin its whole output if you can, please |
| 21:46.39 | freebird | ok, 1 min jelly-home |
| 21:47.22 | freebird | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/mMXxRsy7 |
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| 21:48.18 | jelly-home | freebird: ok, and you want 1024x768 on VGA? |
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| 21:48.46 | freebird | yes jelly-home , |
| 21:49.13 | freebird | I've a hp netbook, mini |
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| 21:50.45 | jelly-home | freebird: does "xrandr --output VGA1 -s 1024x768 --auto" work? |
| 21:51.16 | freebird | jelly-home, niceee |
| 21:51.33 | jelly-home | I'll take that as a yes |
| 21:51.45 | freebird | jelly-home, how do I edit that so I don't have to do that in every reboot ? |
| 21:51.49 | freebird | yes, it worked |
| 21:52.00 | freebird | jelly-home, |
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| 21:52.51 | jelly-home | unfortunately the authors of Xorg decided each window manager or desktop environment should take care of the settings on their own |
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| 21:53.28 | ocx | any good hotspot solution for linux? |
| 21:53.39 | jelly-home | freebird: so you'll have to figure out how your wm or DE does it |
| 21:53.45 | kevlarman | jelly-home: you can put it in xorg.conf too if you want |
| 21:53.57 | kevlarman | jelly-home: has the advantage of working with your desktop manager |
| 21:54.09 | jelly-home | kevlarman: no, you can't put all the xrandr possibilities in xorg.conf |
| 21:54.22 | freebird | kevlarman, I've created a xorg.conf, but it's not being read |
| 21:54.37 | kevlarman | jelly-home: all the ones i've had to you can |
| 21:54.39 | freebird | If I remove, I still get my video working just fine |
| 21:54.50 | freebird | if I remove my xorg.conf I mean |
| 21:54.50 | kevlarman | jelly-home: although admittedly that was limited to left-of and rotations |
| 21:55.16 | ngc0202 | I'm back! |
| 21:55.40 | ngc0202 | ManoftheSea: What now? |
| 21:56.30 | jelly-home | freebird: do you get native 1024x600 on the netbook screen if you start with VGA disconnected? |
| 21:56.44 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: so, you have debian installed. Let's get your wifi's working. |
| 21:56.52 | ngc0202 | Yes :D |
| 21:56.53 | ManoftheSea | lspci, look for the network card. |
| 21:56.57 | ngc0202 | I'm very happy now |
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| 21:57.07 | ngc0202 | Because I had the connection this time, things actually installed |
| 21:57.26 | ManoftheSea | or even... does it Just Work? |
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| 21:58.20 | ngc0202 | Nah, the wifi still doesn't work |
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| 22:00.05 | ngc0202 | ManoftheSea: So what should I do now |
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| 22:00.54 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: lspci | grep -i net |
| 22:01.01 | ManoftheSea | see if you can identify your wifi card. |
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| 22:01.36 | ngc0202 | Intel corportation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
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| 22:02.42 | ManoftheSea | I think that one is in non-free, as firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:03.04 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: do you know how to get that |
| 22:03.25 | ngc0202 | Yeah I wrote it all down |
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| 22:03.47 | ngc0202 | But I think it's in the ISO that sney gave me |
| 22:03.59 | ManoftheSea | that's cool too. |
| 22:04.00 | ngc0202 | I thought that's why he gave it to me |
| 22:04.08 | ngc0202 | I didn't see the error that I don't have it this time |
| 22:04.29 | nsadmin | he might be partly implying the question "do you have non-free and contrib in your sources.list" |
| 22:05.01 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: I'm only going to encourage as much non-free as is necessary. |
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| 22:05.21 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: so, do you have a wlan0? |
| 22:05.47 | ngc0202 | Uh |
| 22:06.05 | nsadmin | if everything's set up, iwlist scan should give some ap listing |
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| 22:06.51 | ngc0202 | iwlist: command not found |
| 22:06.55 | ManoftheSea | su - |
| 22:07.15 | ngc0202 | Yeah, it's listed |
| 22:07.25 | ngc0202 | Interface doesnt support scanning : Network is down |
| 22:07.35 | ManoftheSea | so, good to go? |
| 22:07.35 | ngc0202 | Also, the hell is pan0? |
| 22:07.45 | ManoftheSea | bluetooth |
| 22:07.48 | ngc0202 | Ah |
| 22:07.51 | ngc0202 | Oo, I have bluetooth? |
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| 22:08.05 | ManoftheSea | I'vehad it come up as wlan1 |
| 22:08.13 | ManoftheSea | I was confused then |
| 22:08.15 | nsadmin | do you have wired network while you set this up? |
| 22:08.23 | ngc0202 | Uhh, I have a wired network |
| 22:08.37 | ngc0202 | But then I wouldn't be at my PC |
| 22:08.41 | ngc0202 | Which is where the IRC is |
| 22:09.04 | ManoftheSea | ifconfig wlan0 up; iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 22:09.10 | nsadmin | , file bin/iwlist |
| 22:09.17 | judd | Search for bin/iwlist in squeeze/i386: wireless-tools: sbin/iwlist |
| 22:09.28 | nsadmin | you could install that |
| 22:09.31 | ngc0202 | How do I do that? o.O |
| 22:09.45 | ManoftheSea | he has iwlist |
| 22:10.01 | nsadmin | he does? what, bad path before? |
| 22:10.15 | ManoftheSea | not root |
| 22:10.19 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 22:10.20 | ngc0202 | ah, yeah |
| 22:10.22 | ngc0202 | That was it |
| 22:10.32 | nsadmin | great :) |
| 22:10.37 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: ifconfig wlan0 up; iwlist scan |
| 22:10.53 | ngc0202 | ! |
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| 22:11.03 | ngc0202 | It spammed a massive thing |
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| 22:11.14 | nsadmin | lotsa access pts? |
| 22:11.21 | ngc0202 | I don't know what they are |
| 22:11.29 | ngc0202 | But it's well more than fits on my screen |
| 22:12.06 | ngc0202 | I piped it to more |
| 22:12.23 | ngc0202 | I mean less |
| 22:12.28 | ocx | any good linux open source wifi hotspot projects? |
| 22:12.29 | nsadmin | less is more |
| 22:12.34 | nsadmin | according to miles davis |
| 22:12.47 | ngc0202 | :) |
| 22:12.47 | ManoftheSea | yes, they're channels. |
| 22:12.51 | ManoftheSea | er, APs. |
| 22:12.57 | ManoftheSea | so, you're good to go |
| 22:13.06 | ngc0202 | Meaning? |
| 22:13.18 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: assuming you have Gnome, you have network manager, and should be able to use your wifi |
| 22:13.27 | freebird | sorry jelly-home , back |
| 22:13.35 | freebird | no, I don't get that as a native |
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| 22:13.43 | nsadmin | we think your wireless is working and properly supported by the driver |
| 22:13.44 | freebird | I get 800x600 |
| 22:13.50 | ngc0202 | Wireless Networks: device not managed |
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| 22:14.18 | nsadmin | stairway to freebird, the most requested song never written |
| 22:14.41 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: ah. Check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:14.43 | ManoftheSea | as root |
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| 22:15.02 | ManoftheSea | you'll need to delete the entry for wlan0 |
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| 22:16.09 | aguitel | are gnome-shell using compiz? |
| 22:16.13 | ngc0202 | There's no /network/ |
| 22:16.15 | ngc0202 | is /etc/ |
| 22:16.29 | ngc0202 | in* |
| 22:17.06 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: hmm. Sorry, but did you look for /etc/network, or for /etc, and then /network? |
| 22:17.16 | jelly-home | freebird: that weird, since the driver detects 1024x600. I thought it was the combination of VGA and LVDS that confused X |
| 22:17.24 | ngc0202 | ManoftheSea: One at a time |
| 22:17.36 | ngc0202 | Oh wait o.o |
| 22:17.40 | ngc0202 | When I did it at once it worked |
| 22:17.48 | ngc0202 | Why? |
| 22:17.50 | nsadmin | ngc0202, it's true, there is not/network in /etc |
| 22:17.53 | jelly-home | freebird: but anyway, at least you have a tool to set correct resolutions on both outputs |
| 22:18.00 | nsadmin | but there might be a network in /etc |
| 22:18.02 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: /network is "network in the root" |
| 22:18.14 | ManoftheSea | when you want ./network |
| 22:18.23 | ManoftheSea | or simply, "network" in the /etc directory |
| 22:18.30 | ngc0202 | hm |
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| 22:18.40 | ManoftheSea | the initial slash makes the path absolute. |
| 22:18.57 | ngc0202 | ok |
| 22:19.01 | nsadmin | was trying to say that :) |
| 22:19.03 | ngc0202 | So what am I looking for? |
| 22:19.27 | silverarrow | I have messed up mplayer in browser |
| 22:19.41 | silverarrow | can you open mplayer, and then check settings? |
| 22:19.48 | nsadmin | if you were to cd to /etc/network, and you looked in that dir, you'd find interfaces |
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| 22:19.53 | silverarrow | or rather preferances |
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| 22:20.06 | ngc0202 | or preferences, even |
| 22:20.34 | ngc0202 | nsadmin: Yes. I see that |
| 22:20.42 | silverarrow | trouble is I have tried to tweack them but not with sucsess |
| 22:21.02 | silverarrow | I cannot seem to get full screen anymore, using flash video replacer |
| 22:21.35 | freebird | jelly-home, I've a monitor attached to the netbook |
| 22:21.40 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: in the file interfaces in the directory /etc/network, you will find a reference to wlan0 |
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| 22:21.47 | silverarrow | it opens as standalone player, but I get full screen with the tiny picture in sentre |
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| 22:21.51 | ManoftheSea | You must remove the references to wlan0, and the associated block. |
| 22:21.57 | freebird | and I've configured in the beggining, but after the transiction, went to 800x600 |
| 22:21.58 | ngc0202 | How? |
| 22:22.00 | ManoftheSea | I suggest pico, if you aren't familiar with vim. |
| 22:22.03 | ManoftheSea | or nano. |
| 22:22.04 | freebird | jelly-home, |
| 22:22.08 | ManoftheSea | su - |
| 22:22.11 | ngc0202 | I'm not familiar with any :) |
| 22:22.13 | ManoftheSea | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:22.27 | ManoftheSea | use arrow keys and backspace |
| 22:22.30 | nsadmin | ngc0202, nano is easy to figure out |
| 22:22.43 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: since it tells you the keys on the screen |
| 22:22.44 | ngc0202 | oo, text editor? |
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| 22:22.52 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 22:23.03 | jelly-home | freebird: I know, and I asked what happened in the case X got started while VGA monitor was _not_ connected |
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| 22:23.33 | freebird | same 800x600 |
| 22:23.35 | ngc0202 | Ok, I cleared it |
| 22:24.14 | nsadmin | you should have a listing for eth0 and one for lo |
| 22:24.16 | jelly-home | freebird: but you can set even LVDS1 to native 1024x600 after that? |
| 22:24.29 | ngc0202 | nsadmin: I didn't, just wlan0 |
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| 22:24.48 | freebird | jelly-home, lvds1 ? |
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| 22:25.16 | nsadmin | oh, there wan't an eth0? ok, |
| 22:25.35 | ManoftheSea | I believe he's saying he only REMOVED wlan0 |
| 22:25.40 | ngc0202 | Nope |
| 22:25.45 | ManoftheSea | I'd argue you want to remove eth0 |
| 22:25.46 | ngc0202 | There was only wlan0, which I removed |
| 22:25.53 | ManoftheSea | so you didn't have any entry for lo? |
| 22:25.57 | ngc0202 | No |
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| 22:26.01 | ManoftheSea | hmm, odd. |
| 22:26.02 | ngc0202 | What is lo? |
| 22:26.06 | ManoftheSea | Local loopback. |
| 22:26.11 | nsadmin | well not while it's up (but I think he's saying it wasn't there in the first place) |
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| 22:26.14 | ManoftheSea | I thought it was necessary for something. |
| 22:26.18 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: I agree. |
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| 22:26.34 | ManoftheSea | anyway, go back to your networkmanager, and see if wlan0 is networkManaged. |
| 22:26.41 | ngc0202 | How do I save? |
| 22:26.42 | ManoftheSea | aka, the wifi icon shows networks. |
| 22:26.50 | ManoftheSea | ctrl-o, I think |
| 22:26.52 | ManoftheSea | For write-out |
| 22:26.56 | jelly-home | freebird: LVDS1, yes, the name xrandr gives to local netbook's screen |
| 22:27.04 | ngc0202 | I think that worked |
| 22:27.08 | nsadmin | probably he doesn't want to use the wired net most of the time... ngc0202, yes? |
| 22:27.20 | ngc0202 | I can't |
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| 22:27.30 | ngc0202 | To install I sat on the floor of my basement |
| 22:27.33 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: but he still wants it to auto-config with netmanager |
| 22:27.38 | ngc0202 | Never doing that :P |
| 22:27.46 | ngc0202 | It still says "device not managed" |
| 22:28.14 | ManoftheSea | again, as root, "service network-manager restart" |
| 22:28.45 | ngc0202 | WIRELESS NETWORKS AVAILABLE |
| 22:28.46 | ngc0202 | <3 |
| 22:28.59 | ngc0202 | Ik hau van jou |
| 22:29.29 | nsadmin | it's working? |
| 22:29.41 | ManoftheSea | it changed his default language to norweigian. |
| 22:29.46 | ManoftheSea | I wouldn't call that working. |
| 22:29.55 | ngc0202 | hahaha |
| 22:30.01 | ngc0202 | hva faen? |
| 22:30.11 | ngc0202 | That wasn't Norwegian |
| 22:30.12 | ManoftheSea | no, I don't speak it. |
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| 22:30.18 | ngc0202 | well the last bit was |
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| 22:31.31 | freebird | jelly-home, tks jelly for al |
| 22:31.33 | freebird | l |
| 22:31.36 | ngc0202` | GREETING FROM WIFI ON DEBIAN |
| 22:31.40 | ngc0202 | +s |
| 22:32.05 | nsadmin | so it is werkin |
| 22:32.07 | ngc0202` | Ay |
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| 22:32.17 | jelly-home | freebird: np, good luck finding a way to make those changes permanent |
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| 22:33.02 | nsadmin | good :) it also looks like ManoftheSea made sure it would work on boot |
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| 22:33.29 | ngc0202` | :) |
| 22:33.51 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: I wha" |
| 22:33.58 | ngc0202 | Thank y'all |
| 22:33.59 | ngc0202 | Very much |
| 22:34.04 | nsadmin | next time you have a chance to reboot, take it and see if everything comes up as you expect |
| 22:34.19 | freebird | tks |
| 22:34.50 | nsadmin | ManoftheSea, well for one you made sure service network-manager restart works |
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| 22:35.13 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: no, that was because it still thought it was unmanaged. |
| 22:35.20 | ManoftheSea | That was still "get it to work the first time" |
| 22:36.16 | nsadmin | ngc0202, do you want your machine to connect to your home network when you're there? |
| 22:36.26 | ngc0202 | Yes, that'd make me quite happy |
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| 22:37.04 | ManoftheSea | do you guys live together? |
| 22:37.10 | ManoftheSea | Is he adminning your machines? |
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| 22:38.24 | nsadmin | ok, see if you can set a default network in network manager |
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| 22:38.56 | ngc0202 | Where would I find that? |
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| 22:39.48 | nsadmin | is there a detail screen you can get to for that net? |
| 22:39.56 | ngc0202 | nsadmin: I checked and it has "Connect automatically" selected |
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| 22:40.19 | nsadmin | that would do it |
| 22:40.22 | ngc0202 | :) |
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| 22:42.07 | nsadmin | so if ManoftheSea concurs, you could reboot in order to see if everything including your net comes up |
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| 22:42.48 | ngc0202 | Sure |
| 22:42.55 | ManoftheSea | I concur. Do you concur? |
| 22:43.37 | nsadmin | I concur with my and your concurrance |
| 22:43.52 | ngc0202 | is restarting |
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| 22:46.44 | ngc0202 | Hey :) |
| 22:46.57 | Getty | ho |
| 22:47.01 | dvs | yo |
| 22:47.40 | ngc0202 | oo, I like how XChat loads the previous logs |
| 22:47.41 | nsadmin | froyo |
| 22:47.56 | dvs | yoohoo |
| 22:48.04 | nsadmin | ngc0202, a reboot finds you connected? |
| 22:48.19 | ManoftheSea | ngc0202: do you concur? |
| 22:48.20 | ngc0202 | Yeah, it auto-connected |
| 22:48.24 | ngc0202 | :) |
| 22:48.35 | nsadmin | great... you're all set |
| 22:48.41 | ngc0202 | :D |
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| 22:49.44 | ManoftheSea | offers highfives. |
| 22:49.59 | nsadmin | hifives everyone |
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| 22:51.47 | ocx | can openwrt be installed on debian squeeze? |
| 22:51.56 | ManoftheSea | ocx does not compute. |
| 22:51.59 | ocx | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_OpenWRT_on_Debian_6 |
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| 22:52.06 | ManoftheSea | do you want a chroot? |
| 22:53.33 | ocx | yes |
| 22:53.40 | ngc0202 | Hrm, I'm on Spotify on Wine |
| 22:53.43 | tharkun | Out of curiosity, why with a BCM4312 i need to start it two times before it functions properly? |
| 22:53.49 | ngc0202 | It doesn't seem to be working quite well... |
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| 22:56.40 | sney | tharkun: because broadcom? |
| 22:56.52 | ManoftheSea | believes sney has a good answer. |
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| 22:58.03 | tharkun | sney: hmm interesting answer :-) |
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| 23:08.27 | jhutchins_wk | ocx: openwrt is it's own distribution of a complete os. |
| 23:08.46 | jhutchins_wk | ocx: If you want to use a debian box as a router you don't need openwrt. |
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| 23:09.10 | ocx | jhutchins_wk: i need a quota management system for managing my user internet browsing quota |
| 23:09.32 | ManoftheSea | ocx sorry, I didn't notice your desire for a chroot. |
| 23:09.51 | ManoftheSea | if you're trying to setup a router, you probably want either openwrt xor debian |
| 23:10.19 | ManoftheSea | as for quota management, either distro will have tools for it. |
| 23:10.24 | ManoftheSea | Not that I know what they are... |
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| 23:12.27 | ManoftheSea | ocx do you have a desktop, or a router? |
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| 23:12.36 | ocx | desktop |
| 23:12.43 | jhutchins_wk | ocx: Two nics? |
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| 23:12.48 | ocx | yes |
| 23:13.17 | jhutchins_wk | I've always been more about providing access to users than preventing it. |
| 23:13.33 | ManoftheSea | by quota... do you mean quality of service? |
| 23:13.44 | ManoftheSea | AKA, more access to Skype than Bittorrent? |
| 23:13.52 | ocx | i mean i want to allow my local users to only consume 100mb per day |
| 23:13.56 | ocx | for internet browsing |
| 23:14.03 | ngc0202 | What's this red bar in XChat for? |
| 23:14.05 | ManoftheSea | each? |
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| 23:14.45 | ManoftheSea | That sounds like an AAA system (Access, Auth, Accounting or something like that) |
| 23:14.51 | ocx | ye |
| 23:15.44 | ManoftheSea | FreeRADIUS is an AAA |
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| 23:16.21 | ManoftheSea | Sorry, I can give you no more help. |
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| 23:45.49 | dvs | !qotd24 |
| 23:45.50 | dpkg | <sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me |
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| 23:57.01 | Statl3r | anyone here has a problem with install of x11-common ? (there is a problem with post inst script but no further informations...) |
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| 23:57.22 | themill | Statl3r: can you pastebin the command you gave and the complete output? |
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| 23:57.25 | streuner_ | Statl3r: please show us your sources.list |
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| 23:59.04 | Statl3r | http://pastebin.com/22J5QFCT Sorry for the output it's in french |
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| 23:59.46 | Statl3r | but the output give no useful information (to me) |