| 00:00.09 | streuner_ | judd, versions x11-common |
| 00:00.11 | judd | Package: x11-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.7+1; wheezy: 1:7.7+1 |
| 00:00.50 | sney | Statl3r: for future reference, you can do e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install to have the output in english |
| 00:01.23 | waqstar | Quick question, why do some new distros like squeeze and slak13.37 come with 2.6 kernels. Why don't they upgrade them to include new kernels? |
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| 00:01.34 | sney | !stable |
| 00:01.35 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 00:01.39 | riex | Hello. Someone here how knows how to fix this error. "Module libbnctcl.la could not be loaded: file not found" <- I got that directly from the sbnc log. |
| 00:01.48 | themill | waqstar: 3.2 is available for squeeze; /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:02.00 | sney | waqstar: see dpkg's description of stable. also, squeeze isn't exactly 'new' as it was released Feb. 2011 |
| 00:02.23 | themill | Statl3r: you seem to have a very interesting mixture of sid and squeeze there. What have you been doing? |
| 00:03.22 | waqstar | Also what's the difference between AMD64 and ix86. Which should i install |
| 00:03.23 | Statl3r | because i try to install the x11-common package, |
| 00:03.28 | Statl3r | on backport |
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| 00:03.41 | Statl3r | because the stable didn't work |
| 00:03.42 | dvs | waqstar: AMD64 unless you own an Itanium |
| 00:03.50 | themill | waqstar: if you spent less than $10k on your hardware, it's not ia64. |
| 00:03.52 | sney | waqstar: amd64 is 64-bit x86, i686 is 32-bit, i486 is old 32-bit |
| 00:04.15 | sney | dvs, themill - I don't see ia64 in his question. |
| 00:04.43 | dvs | sney: x doesn't mean a?!? |
| 00:04.51 | themill | sney: oh... I interpreted ix86 as a typo of ia64... |
| 00:04.52 | waqstar | Oh. 32bit is for less than 4gig ram right? And 64 bit if you have more. What's the differences between the two |
| 00:05.08 | themill | waqstar: I think you just answered your own question. |
| 00:05.17 | Statl3r | sney: it give the exact same useless informations (i.e. Errors were encountered while processing) |
| 00:05.37 | themill | Statl3r: that's not the version of x11-common from backports though. What exactly did you do? |
| 00:05.38 | Statl3r | I also try to download others .deb of x11-common, always the same error => post-inst |
| 00:05.47 | themill | ugh |
| 00:05.49 | sney | Statl3r: so why are you installing x11-common from sid if you use squeeze |
| 00:05.59 | klys | riex: apt-get install sbnc-tcl; dpkg -L sbnc-tcl | grep libbnctcl.la |
| 00:06.20 | waqstar | Themill: so not too much difference between the 2. Is Ix86 Intel? |
| 00:06.24 | Statl3r | because the package gives errors on install |
| 00:06.26 | themill | dpkg: tell Statl3r about not available |
| 00:06.31 | kevlarman | waqstar: there are still large advantages to 64 bit with under 4gb of ram |
| 00:06.35 | themill | Statl3r: can you pastebin the output of that command dpkg gave you |
| 00:06.55 | kevlarman | waqstar: guaranteed sse support, 8 more general purpose registers, etc. |
| 00:07.28 | kevlarman | and roughly 3.25-4gb of the physical address space is occupied on 32 bit kernels |
| 00:07.31 | sney | waqstar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 explains the added features over 32-bit. debian calls it 'amd64' because amd was the first to sell a 64-bit x86 cpu. |
| 00:08.01 | Statl3r | themill: C x11-common - X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure |
| 00:08.25 | themill | kevlarman: also, larger pointers, higher memory consumption, ... it's not all roses |
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| 00:08.32 | waqstar | So 64 bit is not AMD only? Do CPUs also come in 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 00:08.37 | themill | Statl3r: that's not what dpkg said... |
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| 00:09.24 | kevlarman | waqstar: 32 bit x86 cpus haven't been made for ~10 years now |
| 00:09.39 | klys | waqstar: before the archtecture was ccalled amd64, it was called ia64 |
| 00:09.55 | kevlarman | klys: wat? no |
| 00:10.00 | sney | klys: incorrect. ia64 and amd64 are unrelated. |
| 00:10.01 | kevlarman | klys: ia64 is itanic |
| 00:10.13 | Statl3r | themill: yes it is, i try the command that dpkg gave me, and the ouput was what I paste |
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| 00:10.18 | waqstar | Kewl. Thanks. 10 years ago I was 10. Lol. |
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| 00:12.39 | streuner_ | Statl3r: please give us the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" in a pastebin |
| 00:12.56 | waqstar | Sney: which language is linux written in? Assembly language? |
| 00:13.04 | Statl3r | http://pastebin.com/22J5QFCT |
| 00:13.05 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:13.36 | mi-black | waqstar: C |
| 00:13.38 | streuner_ | Statl3r: nah, thats not the output we asked you for |
| 00:13.42 | Statl3r | oh and it's not just x11-common, man-db too |
| 00:13.51 | Statl3r | streuner_: yes it is, at the end of the paste |
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| 00:14.06 | Statl3r | the begin it was for another stuff somebody asks |
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| 00:14.51 | waqstar | Mi-black. Thanks :) |
| 00:15.37 | mi-black | waqstar: y're welcome |
| 00:15.40 | streuner_ | Statl3r: sorry, well, line 34-36 seems to me useless... |
| 00:16.19 | Statl3r | it's some lines I add after having the problem with x11-common and man-db |
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| 00:16.32 | Statl3r | it does the same without these lines |
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| 00:17.38 | themill | Statl3r: what's the complete output of «LANG=C aptitude -f install x11-common=1:7.5+8+squeeze1» |
| 00:18.08 | themill | streuner_: what's wrong with squeeze-updates? |
| 00:19.25 | waqstar | |
| 00:19.25 | Statl3r | themill: http://pastebin.com/e3M0Juqt |
| 00:21.54 | themill | Statl3r: can you edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.postinst and put "set -x" on the second line of it then run "dpkg --configure x11-common" for us? |
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| 00:24.00 | Statl3r | themill: http://pastebin.com/dimjVVzB |
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| 00:26.15 | themill | Statl3r: do you have "debsums" installed? |
| 00:26.56 | mi-black | checksums software to .deb ? |
| 00:27.31 | Statl3r | no but it gave me this : http://pastebin.com/6xxXx0f8 |
| 00:27.39 | Statl3r | same problem |
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| 00:28.43 | themill | Statl3r: can you "aptitude reinstall debconf" for me? |
| 00:29.45 | Statl3r | haha it's getting worse http://pastebin.com/E0jRfMVh |
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| 00:31.42 | sney | Statl3r: did you try to upgrade to wheezy or sid, and change your mind? |
| 00:31.43 | themill | all these errors are a saying "debconf is broken". |
| 00:31.55 | dvs | that's what it looks like |
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| 00:32.43 | Guest96654 | Why is debian 8 DVDs. What does it come with. It's a lot. |
| 00:32.48 | Statl3r | really i didn't try, theses errors appear one week ago with man-db and x11-common, and don't figure it out why |
| 00:33.10 | sney | Guest96654: that is all of the software available in the debian repositories. to install, you only need 1 disc |
| 00:33.23 | sney | Guest96654: it's made available on DVDs for people with no network access |
| 00:33.43 | Statl3r | themill: and how can i repair debconf ? |
| 00:34.19 | Guest96654 | So it includes every package that is on the apt repository. What about new packages. Will it update automatically? |
| 00:34.36 | Guest96654 | Like apache MySQL etc |
| 00:34.38 | sney | Guest96654: will what update automatically? |
| 00:35.08 | sney | the installed packages on your system? only if you set that up. normally updates are done manually by the user/admin |
| 00:35.50 | Guest96654 | Sney: the packages which have a newer version. Is there a way to do this automaticly? |
| 00:36.52 | sney | there's a package called unattended-upgrades, but it's usually a better idea if you're in control of the upgrades so you can watch for bugs etc |
| 00:37.26 | Guest96654 | Sney: thank you. |
| 00:37.36 | dvs | Guest96654: If you configure the system to fetch updates over the Internet after the installation, then upgrade can automatically be detected |
| 00:38.17 | sney | Guest96654: if you want to install debian on a single system, the netinstall is the best way to do it, it'll install your system with the newest versions in apt |
| 00:38.22 | themill | Statl3r: is your disk or filesystem sick? Any errors in dmesg? |
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| 00:40.01 | Statl3r | themill: nothing like that |
| 00:40.02 | Guest96654 | Is there a way to set up a server that will authenticate users. Like at a school or work place. Where each person has his/her own user and password. |
| 00:40.39 | sney | Guest96654: that's default behaviour on most gnu/linux OSes. if you want it to authenticate users for a network, look into ldap or nis |
| 00:40.40 | dvs | Guest96654: it's called the Linux Terminal Project |
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| 00:41.07 | dvs | thinks "School" is in there somewhere |
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| 00:41.17 | dvs | Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 00:41.39 | Guest96654 | Brilliant thanks. |
| 00:41.43 | dvs | np |
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| 00:43.19 | Guest96654 | Sorry I ask a lot of questions. But I currently am new to linux. I installed debian on my computer on a seperate partition. Is there a way to remotely access it through ssh or vnc? |
| 00:43.41 | dvs | Guest96654: There's lots of vnc clients |
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| 00:43.58 | dvs | and ssh servers |
| 00:44.00 | Statl3r | the thing is, i really don't know what cause all these issues, a fresh new installed system, didn't touch sources.list or others stuff, juste aptitude install some programs and it begins to gave me these errors |
| 00:44.30 | Guest96654 | Kewl. So I don't have to do anything to the installation. Just use a client and connect using ip address. |
| 00:45.02 | dvs | Guest96654: well, you probably have to install the package you want but that's about it. |
| 00:45.20 | iateadonut | i've got a pretty frustratinng problem - i'm using php mailer to connect to smtp gmail. i can telnet into the server from root and user; however, i can only run the script (and have it connect to smtp gmail) from root. from user i get an error:SMTP -> ERROR: Failed to connect to server: (0). on root, i get the success message: SMTP -> FROM SERVER: 250-mx.google.com at your service, [199.101.96.41] |
| 00:45.39 | Guest96654 | Which package would you recommend to be able to do vnc to my computer. |
| 00:45.44 | iateadonut | i think i've disabled everything on iptables |
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| 00:45.55 | iateadonut | i'm wondering if anyone has a clue why it might only be connecting from root? |
| 00:46.07 | nutron | How would one attempt to run the nvidia binary blob when it's not available as a package? I want to temporarily try the beta due to a regression. Hence, can I just overwrite what the debian package installed? |
| 00:46.10 | dvs | Guest96654: I use tightvnc but there are several others. |
| 00:46.12 | sney | Guest96654: 'tightvncserver' and 'rdesktop' are popular |
| 00:46.23 | iateadonut | (i can connect from my development server, my laptop, running the script no problem as user) |
| 00:46.46 | nevyn | nutron: !nvidiainstaller |
| 00:46.55 | nevyn | !nvidia installer |
| 00:46.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>. |
| 00:46.56 | iateadonut | (laptop is mandriva, though) |
| 00:47.09 | iateadonut | it's strange because it was working fine for a long time and then all of a sudden no longer works. |
| 00:47.13 | Guest96654 | Kewl. I'll install tightvnc. Then do I just use the ip address and user pass to connect? |
| 00:47.20 | iateadonut | maybe something to do with ipv6? i really have no idea. |
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| 00:47.31 | nutron | nevyn: thanks |
| 00:47.36 | nevyn | nutron: you'd need to build a package to do it properly and I suspect it's moderatly nasty |
| 00:47.52 | nutron | ugh |
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| 00:48.15 | nutron | well maybe I should take it on, I can barely get any work done... |
| 00:48.33 | nutron | Nostalgia is nice, but not at 286 speeds. |
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| 00:49.08 | nevyn | nutron: did you check backports? |
| 00:49.24 | nutron | running wheezy... checked sid, and experimental |
| 00:49.28 | nutron | not there yet |
| 00:49.34 | sney | nutron: if it really isn't packaged anywhere, I'd apt-get source nvidia-kernel-dkms and see how the package is put together |
| 00:49.38 | Statl3r | themill: sorry to bother you, but you don't have any other idea of what's the issue ? |
| 00:50.02 | sney | Statl3r: debconf is an unusual thing to break. my advice for the least painful fix is to reinstall your OS |
| 00:50.35 | nutron | hmm... well does the nvidia installer leave cruft everywhere? I'm just hoping to use it until it _is_ packaged, then reinstall it |
| 00:51.14 | iateadonut | themills, i'm also sorry to bother you but if you have the slightest idea about what my problem might be, i'd appreciate it. |
| 00:51.34 | iateadonut | i mean themill |
| 00:51.43 | Statl3r | haha >< i have no problem with a rolling release, but with a system famous for his stability and other stuff i have to reinstall it for the first problem i encounter, nice >< |
| 00:51.47 | Statl3r | but thanks anyway |
| 00:52.00 | streuner_ | Statl3r: stop! |
| 00:52.28 | sney | nutron: the nvidia installer leaves cruft everywhere and breaks everything if you run it with --uninstall. wheezy+ has a package called nvidia-installer-cleanup for this reason |
| 00:52.38 | streuner_ | Statl3r: try this, just move /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.* to /tmp and run apt-get -f install (a very dirty hack) ;-) |
| 00:52.38 | Statl3r | streuner_: yes ? |
| 00:52.51 | Statl3r | yeah i try it some hours ago |
| 00:52.56 | Statl3r | didn't work^^ |
| 00:53.20 | sney | nutron: however, I think nvidia-installer also has an --unpack option or something like that, where you can just extract what it contains and build/distribute yourself |
| 00:53.22 | nutron | sney hah! fantastic, at least I can go back to the debian packaging when that version hits the pipeline. |
| 00:53.35 | streuner_ | Statl3r: sorry, iam out of ideas then |
| 00:53.38 | Statl3r | but it's not just x11-common, now it's debconf and debsums |
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| 00:53.51 | Statl3r | no problem thanks ;) |
| 00:53.54 | ngc0202`` | heya again |
| 00:54.03 | ngc0202`` | What's with the `` :/ |
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| 00:54.31 | Guest96654 | Sney: dvs: when I install the vnc server. Will I need to open any ports on my router?? So I can get to it from outside. |
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| 00:54.40 | sney | Statl3r: moral of the story is, don't mix debian releases. if you want to use squeeze then use squeeze. if you want to play with newer versions, install wheezy or something. but don't try to combine them into voltron; what you get instead is more like the last part of The Fly (Goldblum) |
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| 00:54.55 | dvs | hahhahaha voltron? |
| 00:55.10 | Statl3r | sney: i didn't mix until i encounter the problem ;) |
| 00:55.27 | sney | Statl3r: if you hadn't mixed, we probably could have helped you fix it. |
| 00:55.46 | sney | Guest96654: did you know you can change your name in this channel by typing /nick newname |
| 00:55.48 | streuner_ | Statl3r: desktop system? |
| 00:55.59 | streuner_ | Statl3r: (hard to reinstall)? |
| 00:56.08 | Statl3r | ok but i juste try to install the x11-common from backport nothing more than that, so it's not really mixed at all |
| 00:56.15 | Statl3r | streuner_: no fresh installed server |
| 00:56.23 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:56.30 | peterrooney | Guest96654: quite likely you shall have to do that, if the router is worthy of the name. |
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| 00:56.45 | streuner_ | Statl3r: why do you need X at all then? |
| 00:57.02 | sney | Guest96654: I wouldn't make a vnc server visible to the public internet. if you want remote access I'd say to use ssh or if you _need_ a gui then rdesktop |
| 00:57.06 | Statl3r | i want to install mpd and a lib from mpd need x11-common... >< |
| 00:57.29 | Statl3r | but x11-common was not the first problem |
| 00:57.36 | Statl3r | at first it was man-db |
| 00:58.31 | wkhan113 | Rdesktop sounds good. |
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| 00:59.24 | sney | a lot of people don't like rdesktop because it's based on something that windows made popular, but I like it because it has encryption and built-in auth |
| 00:59.26 | Statl3r | it's a dedicated server, i don't really like debian but i know it was famous for the stability and all, so i install it, install apache/fail2ban and others stuff, and one day man-db gave me the same error as x11-common |
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| 01:00.49 | wkhan113 | Sney: thanks. Just ssh might be good too. Once I learn a bit. |
| 01:01.11 | sney | !refcard |
| 01:01.12 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 01:03.08 | wkhan113 | Sney: nice. Thanks. Which command is it to see all the packages I have installed on the system? |
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| 01:03.21 | sney | wkhan113: aptitude search ~i |
| 01:03.29 | sney | wkhan113: but prepare yourself for a long list. |
| 01:03.51 | wkhan113 | Lol. Thanks man. |
| 01:04.35 | wkhan113 | Then if I want to remove its apt-get purge right |
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| 01:05.47 | sney | apt-get (or aptitude) remove removes the binaries, purge removes the binaries and the config files |
| 01:07.37 | wkhan113 | Is there a way to link a command I make up to an actual bash script or a program? So if I want to add the command 'hello' so I don't have to go to a directory and type ./filename. |
| 01:08.02 | wkhan113 | To execute it |
| 01:10.20 | sney | wkhan113: see 'help alias' |
| 01:10.45 | sney | and scripts can be put in directories in your PATH |
| 01:12.28 | wkhan113 | Like to start apache I have to /etc/init.d/Blabla. So can I link this to a simple command like startapache which will then type all that path in and start apache? |
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| 01:12.40 | wkhan113 | Sney: thanks for the help man. |
| 01:13.09 | sney | to start apache you can do 'service apache2 start' and it'll automatically start on boot anyway |
| 01:13.15 | dvs | wkhan113: What apache should start automatically |
| 01:13.49 | wkhan113 | Just an example for the linking a made up command. |
| 01:14.03 | dvs | Actually, what should be used instead of "update-rc.d" now? |
| 01:14.13 | sney | insserv |
| 01:14.18 | dvs | ah |
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| 01:14.58 | wkhan113 | Whats wrong with using update-rc.d? |
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| 01:16.08 | sney | oh, it's just gradually being replaced |
| 01:16.35 | dvs | for a standard app? blasphemy! |
| 01:17.38 | wkhan113 | What would happen if I change the default run level to 0. Lol. |
| 01:17.49 | wkhan113 | My friend told me to do it. |
| 01:18.02 | sney | well, you'd find yourself booting with a rescue cd and changing it back |
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| 01:20.19 | wkhan113 | That's funny. How can I mess his up now. |
| 01:20.47 | dvs | As Statl3r found out, easily |
| 01:21.04 | wkhan113 | What did he do? |
| 01:21.36 | dvs | Tried to upgrade to a newer version of Debian, changed his mind, then tried to downgrade. |
| 01:22.12 | wkhan113 | I did cat /boot/linuz on his once and he thought it messed up. Dvs: haha. Why? |
| 01:22.56 | wkhan113 | Shall I delete his bash file? What's a cooler way of messing it up lol. |
| 01:22.59 | dvs | cat /boot/linuz won't mess up the system, just the terminal session if any |
| 01:23.57 | mi-black | dvs: he don't try to upgrade ... |
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| 01:24.47 | dvs | mi-black: Well, he changed his sources to install a newer version of a program and pulled in a whole lot more than one program. |
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| 01:25.51 | mi-black | dvs: he just want see if this can solve his problems , not solve it so he remove the backport |
| 01:26.14 | wkhan113 | Sney. Dvs: thanks for all the help |
| 01:26.24 | dvs | wkhan113: np |
| 01:26.33 | wkhan113 | Bye |
| 01:26.50 | sney | np |
| 01:27.12 | dvs | mi-black: he removed backports but the new package was already installed. Then he tried to downgrade to the normal squeeze version. |
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| 01:27.42 | mi-black | dvs: no :x he carefully remove the new package ^^' |
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| 01:28.38 | dvs | mi-black: Then how come dpkg wanted to DOWNGRADE the package? |
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| 01:32.30 | sney | dvs and mi-black - and why was the version of x11-common from wheezy/sid, not squeeze-backports? :P |
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| 01:33.45 | dvs | touche |
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| 01:52.22 | iateadonut | if i'm running a php script that connects to an outside server, how can i find out what local port it is using? |
| 01:52.43 | sneex | lsof -i |
| 01:53.02 | sneex | unless youre on dfsb then :P |
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| 01:53.17 | ngc0202 | hehe, "9:51 PM - ffrogman: is this a bug or intended feature?", I love that... |
| 01:56.10 | iateadonut | if the script runs too fast to check between two terminals, how do i find out what local port it is usinng? |
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| 01:57.17 | sneex | netstat ? |
| 01:57.45 | petemc | tcpflow |
| 01:57.51 | epsilon | tcpdump |
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| 02:01.54 | iateadonut | ok... i might be closer to figuring out why this doesn't work for user but works for root - i know that the connection is being established through port 57241, then 57242, incrementally each time the process is run. |
| 02:02.02 | iateadonut | how can i test user's access to port whatever? |
| 02:02.14 | petemc | telnet |
| 02:02.18 | petemc | netcat |
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| 02:08.36 | echo083 | how to disable this message Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. ? |
| 02:09.12 | nsadmin | have your sessions last more than 10 secs? |
| 02:09.17 | ManoftheSea | echo083: get better in bed? |
| 02:09.32 | ManoftheSea | for real though, where are you getting that message? |
| 02:09.47 | echo083 | nsadmin, yes !! but i'm making tests and i need to be able to logout without a message even if my session last less than 10 seconds |
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| 02:10.08 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, just disconnected after your login in gdm |
| 02:10.27 | ManoftheSea | my login? I'm not lasting 10 seconds? |
| 02:10.33 | nsadmin | what's making that message/notification? |
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| 02:10.45 | ManoftheSea | it sounds like something is killing X. Such as: your WM isn't actually launching |
| 02:10.56 | ManoftheSea | I might check the .Xsession or similar file |
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| 02:11.03 | echo083 | nooo !! noone kills X it is me who quickly logout ! |
| 02:11.11 | ManoftheSea | echo083: can you attempt to log in with failsafe or anything else? |
| 02:11.13 | ManoftheSea | oh. |
| 02:11.17 | ManoftheSea | well, I got nothin' |
| 02:11.26 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, my login works fine i just want to disable this message ;) |
| 02:11.38 | ManoftheSea | sorry, I can be no help. |
| 02:11.40 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, my X server works fine everything is fine in fact |
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| 02:11.57 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, ok no problem thanks for trying to help ;) |
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| 02:12.54 | echo083 | nsadmin, in this link it is explained but i don't understand http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.14/overview.html |
| 02:13.15 | echo083 | nsadmin, "You can suppress the 10 second warning by returning code 66 from the Xsessionscript or from your session binary" which file is Xsessionscript ? |
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| 02:14.08 | nsadmin | not sure if it's used (but we can easily find out) |
| 02:14.22 | echo083 | nsadmin, how ? |
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| 02:14.32 | nsadmin | a user xsession would be in ~someone/.xsession |
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| 02:14.53 | ManoftheSea | echo083: in said file, return 66 |
| 02:14.57 | echo083 | nsadmin, i need to return 66 it means exit 66 but i don't know where |
| 02:15.01 | nsadmin | the global xsession is I believe /etc/xsesson |
| 02:15.08 | echo083 | nsadmin, ahh ok let me try |
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| 02:15.27 | Giric | Question about downloading the DVD installer by torrent: there are 8 DVD files. Do I need all 8? |
| 02:15.47 | echo083 | nsadmin, i have no /etc/xession file should i create it ? |
| 02:16.14 | ManoftheSea | Giric: probably not. You likely only need 4.7 GB or less |
| 02:16.19 | nsadmin | no, but there could be a way to get gnome-session to return the code |
| 02:16.47 | echo083 | nsadmin, how ? :p |
| 02:17.31 | Giric | ManoftheSea It's 8 separate torrents, 7 of which are about 4.5 GB each, the eighth is about CD sized. |
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| 02:18.10 | ManoftheSea | Giric: get the first, unless you need the language support. |
| 02:18.16 | ManoftheSea | or you need an offline repo. |
| 02:18.38 | nsadmin | echo083, I'm looking at this really short man page for gnome-session which actually makes no mention of exit status or return code |
| 02:19.16 | echo083 | nsadmin, i checked every Xsession script and didn't notice anything about a section returning special codes :( |
| 02:19.30 | Giric | Ah, okay. Thanks. I'll probably still download them to reseed. |
| 02:19.31 | nsadmin | ManoftheSea, are you using gnome? |
| 02:19.32 | echo083 | nsadmin, i'm mailing the gdm gnome project right now ;) |
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| 02:19.53 | echo083 | nsadmin, i don't want to break my X server ! i'm sure someone will know |
| 02:20.12 | nsadmin | echo083, might as well know how this works... |
| 02:20.49 | echo083 | nsadmin, yes you can of course ! do you want to email you their response ? |
| 02:21.04 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: I am. |
| 02:21.04 | echo083 | nsadmin, or i'll come back again here and give you the info ? |
| 02:21.37 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: gnome3.4 |
| 02:21.40 | nsadmin | so when you log in at gdm, the main thing it does is to start a session manager |
| 02:23.16 | nsadmin | the session manager runs the whole session, starting whatever, doing the menu thing, and mostly it waits for the user to say "log out" |
| 02:23.34 | echo083 | nsadmin, yes i agree |
| 02:23.35 | ManoftheSea | isn't gdm the session manager? |
| 02:23.45 | nsadmin | and when that happens, the session manager exits |
| 02:23.47 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, yes gdm is my session manager |
| 02:23.49 | ManoftheSea | it might start the window manager |
| 02:24.16 | nsadmin | your xdm or gdm or whichever, is watching the session manager |
| 02:24.32 | nsadmin | waiting for it to die |
| 02:24.55 | ManoftheSea | I'm a little confused. I thought gdm was the session manager, and the xsession script is its session. When it ends with the windows manager, that holds the session open... |
| 02:25.22 | ManoftheSea | so log-out goes to the windows manager, which ends, which terminates the session, so gdm respawns a new session |
| 02:25.30 | nsadmin | when it dies, gdm knows to ask the user for login/pass |
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| 02:26.46 | iateadonut | can anyone tell me how to get debian to let a user use any port? |
| 02:27.42 | grothendieck | ManoftheSea: run this command 'ps fauwwx | grep -A4 gdm3 | grep -v grep' |
| 02:27.50 | grothendieck | you will see how the process hierarchy looks |
| 02:28.16 | grothendieck | In my case, xfce4 is the window-manager running under the gdm3 process |
| 02:29.04 | iateadonut | my iptables -L is like |
| 02:29.05 | iateadonut | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 02:29.05 | iateadonut | target prot opt source destination |
| 02:29.17 | iateadonut | so... i would think there'd be no problem with a user connecting through a port |
| 02:29.26 | echo083 | nsadmin, email sent I'll tell the answer i received thanks for the help |
| 02:29.45 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, thanks for the help and like you said before i'll sleeping ! |
| 02:29.52 | echo083 | i'll go to bed |
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| 02:30.02 | ManoftheSea | echo083: gnight |
| 02:30.07 | echo083 | ManoftheSea, thanks |
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| 02:30.45 | ManoftheSea | grothendieck: interesting, but what am I looking for? |
| 02:31.07 | ManoftheSea | iateadonut: ports under 1024 are privileged. |
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| 02:31.19 | grothendieck | You see the top process is gdm3, then it spawns a display manager, and several things run under the display manager |
| 02:31.20 | ManoftheSea | I don't know how to change it, but a simple user is blocked from using 1-1023 |
| 02:31.36 | grothendieck | xorg, gdm session, window manager |
| 02:31.40 | ManoftheSea | gdm-session-worker spawns x-session-manager which spawns gnome-shell |
| 02:31.41 | ManoftheSea | end. |
| 02:32.02 | ManoftheSea | isn't that what I said before? |
| 02:32.21 | ManoftheSea | gdm controls the session, when the windows manager ends it returns? |
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| 02:36.11 | nsadmin | yes, but it doesn't have to be a window manager, it can be anything meant to exit when the session goes away (like a button that exits when clieked and is labeled logout |
| 02:36.47 | ManoftheSea | or, in failsafe, an xterm |
| 02:36.51 | ManoftheSea | woo, xterms. |
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| 02:36.57 | nsadmin | right |
| 02:37.00 | ManoftheSea | Byobu is my windows manager. |
| 02:37.05 | ManoftheSea | (not really) |
| 02:37.12 | nsadmin | I think that mechanism is in the global Xsession |
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| 02:37.37 | grothendieck | mine looks like this http://pastebin.com/C7nmeyBc |
| 02:38.28 | grothendieck | the gdm session ends when all its children die (I suppose) |
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| 02:38.45 | grothendieck | but the gdm process itself would persist as long as there is an X server attached |
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| 02:39.18 | nsadmin | grothendieck, probably not... for a gnome session, it runs gnome-session |
| 02:39.20 | redcheckers | silly question... how do i tell if i'm running etch or squeeze? i'm trying to follow a xen guide and it says it makes a difference which one i have |
| 02:39.32 | nsadmin | for an fvwm session, it runs fvwm |
| 02:40.07 | dax | redcheckers: amongst other methods, /etc/apt/sources.list should say which repository you're using |
| 02:40.13 | sney | redcheckers: apt-cache policy; cat /etc/debian_version;look at your sources.list |
| 02:40.16 | grothendieck | redcheckers: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:40.25 | nsadmin | the point I wanted to make (but didn't yet) is whatever is run to control the session, is the thing that should return 66 |
| 02:41.02 | redcheckers | looks like i have 6.05 |
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| 02:41.12 | grothendieck | then squeeze |
| 02:41.13 | sneex | squeeze |
| 02:41.17 | redcheckers | squeeze, ok thanks |
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| 02:47.27 | ManoftheSea | redcheckers: lsb_release -a will tell you things |
| 02:48.26 | ManoftheSea | lsb_release -r will tell you more directly your suitename |
| 02:48.48 | grothendieck | which would probably be better, using {fetch,proc,send}mail to receive/send e-mail from a remote IMAP/SMTP server to my local machine and read/write mail in mutt -- or just configure mutt to use its own IMAP capabilities to connect to the server? |
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| 02:49.41 | grothendieck | on one hand fetchmail/procmail is quite a bit more powerful than mutt, but on the other hand that's several additional config files to break |
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| 02:50.36 | redcheckers | ManoftheSea: that worked, thanks |
| 02:50.38 | grothendieck | so fetchmail/procmail+mutt or standalone mutt? |
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| 02:51.25 | Gargantua | Most howtos you'll find will deal with fetchmail. |
| 02:53.11 | grothendieck | I've been using my gmail through mutt for a while without writing anything but a .muttrc file, but it's not ideal in that filtering isn't possible and it often loses connectivity or doesn't sync properly |
| 02:53.20 | grothendieck | yah I should probably get fetchmail involved |
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| 02:53.49 | Gargantua | It takes two lines to configure fetchmail to use gmail |
| 02:53.52 | Gargantua | Very easy to use. |
| 02:54.10 | grothendieck | great |
| 02:54.16 | grothendieck | I will do that! thanks |
| 02:54.28 | Gargantua | You can also set the polling time so it checks regularly. |
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| 02:54.59 | emss | there is also getmail |
| 02:55.26 | Gargantua | getmail's pretty good too |
| 02:56.01 | emss | or you could just get a real mail client, gnus |
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| 03:45.09 | subleq | I'm having a problem with apt: "Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages" |
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| 03:45.14 | mrdek11 | Anybody have any idea why setting PCM volume in amixer has no effect? Audio plays full volume when PCM volume is 0% |
| 03:45.17 | subleq | http://pastebin.com/WXT7CX8p |
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| 03:47.26 | penrod | greetings: I have been asked by a client to provide weekly logs of sites visited by his employees, naturally I have a debian squeeze box with samba. What is the best "flavour" of the month for such a request "? |
| 03:48.25 | jordanm | penrod: those logs will need be provided by either a) the firewall/gateway b) a dedicated monitoring box that listens on the switch either via a port mirror or passive tap |
| 03:48.42 | ectospasm | penrod: you probably want squid (a proxy which can log all of that) |
| 03:49.20 | jordanm | in order for the squid proxy to be "transparent", it needs to be installed on the gateway, otherwise, all the clients need to be configured to use it |
| 03:49.41 | jordanm | or possibly the gateway could forward web traffic to the proxy, but I haven't done such a setup |
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| 03:51.16 | jordanm | also, point a site to a specific employee is difficult if their machines are assigned via dhcp (atleast after the fact) |
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| 03:58.23 | caf | you could require proxy authentication |
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| 04:22.44 | Lis | Hello everyone. I try to upgrade from squeeze to testing. I started the full-upgrade process and notices I had to remove custom init scripts, so I chancelled the upgrade process with strg-c. Now the upgrade process cant resolve all dependencies. Can I reset the update procedure somehow so that I do not need to solve the dependencies on my own? |
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| 04:29.41 | Jef91 | In a debian control file how do I tell it to use Depen X for arch i386 and Depen Y for arch amd64 |
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| 04:33.34 | aristarchus | is there a way to tell what time a debian machine crashed? |
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| 04:34.09 | gnarface | aristarchus: by the time stamps in the logs perhaps? |
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| 04:35.03 | Shingetsu | hello |
| 04:35.13 | Shingetsu | can someone help with a linux software raid setup for debian? |
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| 04:37.36 | Shingetsu | basically, I have: sda and sdb, both 298.09 GiB |
| 04:38.04 | Shingetsu | I want: a small boot partition that isn't on the raid, the large raid0 and a working debian system :) |
| 04:38.44 | Shingetsu | my guess is making a 150mb partition for /boot in sda, then making a 8gb partition in sdb for swap, then making the rest a raid and combining using mdadm. |
| 04:38.54 | Shingetsu | formatting it all in ext4 |
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| 04:39.03 | Shingetsu | question: where would I install grub? |
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| 04:39.17 | Shingetsu | question: are there any faults with this? |
| 04:39.24 | simonlnu | sure. installer does it for you |
| 04:40.25 | Shingetsu | simonlnu: installer takes forever to format, I would like to prepare partitions for him from KNOPPIX |
| 04:40.34 | Shingetsu | and just select mount points |
| 04:40.36 | Shingetsu | can this be done? |
| 04:41.08 | Shingetsu | knoppix has mdadm preinstalled and the kernel is compatible with raid0 metadata 1.2 |
| 04:41.43 | Shingetsu | and, simonlnu, you say installer will place GRUB on the right spot by itself? |
| 04:41.54 | simonlnu | knoppix isn't supported here |
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| 04:42.42 | Shingetsu | simonlnu: I'm not asking unto how to use knoppix, I simply prepare the partitions for debian from it. My question is unto the correct partitioning format for debian |
| 04:43.17 | Shingetsu | if I was preparing the partitions for a new debian install from an older debian there wouldnt be any difference |
| 04:44.16 | Turtles5353 | Super new to *nix, I followed guides to replace the OS on my seagate NAS with debian, successfully installed and set up services (samba, ftpd, etc...) |
| 04:44.38 | simonlnu | there's asoftware raid howto, go consult it. it's not any different than what the installer would do. |
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| 04:45.18 | Shingetsu | simonlnu: did consult it, I asked two questions, one of them important. Where will I place GRUB? |
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| 04:45.36 | Shingetsu | BIOS doesnt detect linux software raid by default, so I can't place it in the raid device |
| 04:45.45 | Shingetsu | placing it in either of the two components is hardly logical |
| 04:45.47 | Turtles5353 | I edited /etc/hosts.allow and add "sshd: 192.168.1", and in /etc/hosts.deny and add "sshd: ALL" |
| 04:46.45 | Turtles5353 | typo, I did have "192.168.1." I believe |
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| 04:48.31 | Turtles5353 | so even though my internal IP should be in that range, i can't connect by SSH, even if I hard reboot (basically all I can do besides SSH, this box doesnt have video out or anything) but I can FTP in anonymously (but don't have any priviladges) |
| 04:49.06 | Turtles5353 | so i guess its possible I made a typo somewhere, or maybe the guide was wrong and hosts.deny trumps hosts.allow ? But is there any way I can access the system anymore? |
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| 04:50.05 | Turtles5353 | if a basic installation of debian is installed on a system that has 2 USB ports, would it recognize a keyboard? Could I (blindly) fix this somehow? |
| 04:50.10 | jmrog | Turtles5353: The guide wasn't wrong, hosts.deny doesn't trump hosts.allow |
| 04:50.31 | Turtles5353 | ah ok |
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| 04:50.48 | Turtles5353 | i guess either way, I think something went wrong there right |
| 04:51.07 | jmrog | Turtles5353: Do you have any sort of firewall running on the system running the ssh server? |
| 04:51.19 | Turtles5353 | if FTP works, I see the device pick up an IP address if I look at my router's DHCP table |
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| 04:52.10 | Turtles5353 | so the best description I have of the system: Debian Lenny minimal system (basic system binaries and SSH daemon only) |
| 04:52.37 | Turtles5353 | after which I ran apt-get update, and apt-get nfs-kernel-server samba vsftpd iscsitarget |
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| 04:54.01 | jmrog | Turtles5353: You should double-check that you have the . after 192.168.1, as it is required. An alternative to that way of writing it is this (without quotes): "sshd: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0" |
| 04:54.05 | jmrog | That might be less prone to typos |
| 04:54.48 | Turtles5353 | that makes sense, will try to keep in mind |
| 04:55.42 | Turtles5353 | but short of removing the hard drives and erasing them (to restore the original OS, but I would lose a lot of data) is there something I can do to re-claim my access? |
| 04:56.27 | Turtles5353 | If I accessed the files on the drive from another computer could I modify the hosts files? or would they be encrypted or something |
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| 04:56.49 | jmrog | Turtles5353: They wouldn't be encrypted unless you encrypted them |
| 04:57.13 | jmrog | Or chose to encrypt the whole drive/partition |
| 04:57.35 | Turtles5353 | oh ok so you think thats my best bet, trying to modify the files? Any chance a usb keyboard would somehow automatically work as an input device? |
| 04:57.57 | Turtles5353 | Others have said a USB hard drive can be mounted if plugged in, so I know the ports are functional |
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| 04:58.58 | Turtles5353 | (apologies if that question is really ignorant about how computers work- ) |
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| 04:59.43 | Turtles5353 | also just throwing it out there, no way to elevate privilidges from within ftp right? |
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| 05:00.19 | jmrog | Turtles5353: I don't really have any experience with the type of hardware you're describing, so don't really know. Someone else might be able to answer better |
| 05:00.43 | jmrog | Turtles5353: and there certainly may be some way of escalating privileges via ftp, but I don't know of any immediately |
| 05:01.26 | Turtles5353 | jmrog: thanks very much for the help, looks like at least I didn't brick my thingie |
| 05:02.18 | jmrog | Turtles5353: No problem, sorry I couldn't be of more help than I was. Good luck |
| 05:11.14 | emss | Turtles5353 debian install disks have a rescue mode |
| 05:11.23 | emss | or discs* rather :) |
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| 05:12.17 | emss | so you can boot into rescue mode and mount the partition containing the /etc/ filesystem make your modifications, umount the filesystem and reboot |
| 05:12.40 | Turtles5353 | its installed by using a modified firmware update file that after uploading the img file of debian on the network drive. |
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| 05:12.52 | TSE | Hello, what does balancing to peer means? I implemented an ISC DHCP with failover in the lab and I'm seeing several lines of the messages " dhcpd: balancing pool " in the syslog every after 60 minutes. While on my other dhcp failover peers, the said message only showed up every after hour. |
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| 05:13.45 | Turtles5353 | so its installed using a web frontend that got replaced by debian, I'm not sure if the box would look at the USB anywhere in the boot order |
| 05:14.03 | Turtles5353 | but I would imagine not since the two USB ports are to allow you to connect extra hard drives |
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| 05:14.40 | emss | sure, if you installed debian you can probably plug any usb device in those |
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| 05:15.05 | emss | and if it's like a keyboard/mouse it should be automatically recognized ... |
| 05:15.06 | TSE | Hello, what does balancing to peer means? I implemented an ISC DHCP with failover in the lab and I'm seeing several lines of the messages " dhcpd: balancing pool " in the syslog every after 60 seconds. While on my other dhcp failover peers, the said message only showed up every after hour. |
| 05:15.25 | emss | like meaning a simple common device one that doesn't require a special driver etc. |
| 05:15.46 | emss | TSE hello :) |
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| 05:16.01 | TSE | emss: hello |
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| 05:16.03 | emss | TSE you might want to check the dhcpd manual page/documentation |
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| 05:18.06 | Turtles5353 | hrmm, so would I assume if I plugged in a keyboard I would be managing the computer at the "~ $ " prompt |
| 05:18.13 | TSE | emss: yah, i've been doing that for the last 6 hours. I still couldn't find anything other than setting the min and max balance but that still didnt' answer the mystery because both partners doesn't have those being defined. |
| 05:18.39 | TSE | emss: *those options I mean (min and max balance). |
| 05:18.49 | emss | Turtles5353 no idea, you might be at the console at a login prompt *shrugs* |
| 05:19.18 | Turtles5353 | what would be the best way to blindly change the file, I feel like nano /etc/hosts.deny , select all, delete, ctrl+X, y, enter would be kindof risky ? |
| 05:19.31 | xii3 | I need to create a custom debian live cd. unfortunately none of the instructions i've come across have been clear about how actually chroot into the environment to do the customization. they all seem to assume you are just going to select a bunch of packages and make a few changes here or there. any advice on how to do this or where to look? |
| 05:20.38 | emss | Turtles5353 well, if you can transfer a file to the box using ftp you could create a replacement /etc/hosts.deny upload that and just login an `mv /path/to/uploaded/hosts.deny /etc/' |
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| 05:21.34 | Turtles5353 | i dont think i have access to upload ftp |
| 05:21.35 | Turtles5353 | i cant mkdir |
| 05:21.55 | Turtles5353 | assuming the mistake was to put 192.168.1 with no period at the end - what would that mean? |
| 05:21.58 | Turtles5353 | could i spoof that? |
| 05:22.00 | emss | h, you can only download? |
| 05:22.19 | hagbard_celine | Hi there, I have a problem with Grub2 on Debian Squeeze and the Xen Kernel. I try to boot a Xen Kernel on my root server in the data house. Currently I didn't have a NetKVM or something similar, which makes it difficult to find out what happen. Here my configs: http://paste.debian.net/180511/ http://paste.debian.net/180569/ http://paste.debian.net/180508/ (should be outdated, because I run upgrade-from-grub-legacy) |
| 05:22.26 | hagbard_celine | Thanks for help |
| 05:22.36 | Turtles5353 | i dont even know if i can download (theres no files showing), I just "apt-get ftpd" but didn't confiigure anything |
| 05:23.27 | emss | TSE did you check /usr/share/doc/dhcpd/ ? dpkg --list dhcpd |
| 05:23.41 | Turtles5353 | i just added to fstab to auto mount a drive and rebooted, and then lost access |
| 05:24.01 | emss | TSE you could also google or grab the source `apt-get source dhcpd' and grep it for that syslog message |
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| 05:25.26 | emss | Turtles5353 oh, i thought you could ftp to the box |
| 05:26.01 | emss | you said you can ftp in anonymously |
| 05:26.24 | Turtles5353 | yeah I can authenticate, but i never changed permissions or set anything up |
| 05:26.33 | Turtles5353 | so im just in an empty directory, with no powers |
| 05:26.43 | emss | try to transfer a file |
| 05:27.08 | Turtles5353 | 550 permission denied |
| 05:27.31 | emss | upload or download? |
| 05:27.42 | Turtles5353 | upload, I can't see any files to download in the ftp dir |
| 05:27.55 | emss | can you change directories? |
| 05:28.05 | Turtles5353 | but it "successfully lists" the pwd, which has nothing in it |
| 05:28.14 | Turtles5353 | i cant move up above / |
| 05:28.17 | emss | Turtles5353 so this is a custom debian distribution for your specific nas? |
| 05:28.51 | Turtles5353 | I'm really new to all of this, but yeah I think so, it was described as pretty minimal + sshd |
| 05:28.59 | Turtles5353 | http://www.noerenberg.de/hajo/pub/seagate-blackarmor-nas.txt |
| 05:30.07 | Turtles5353 | do you think the line "sshd: 192.168.1" means anything? Can you have a 3 "digit" IP? |
| 05:30.19 | Turtles5353 | or would it just be ignored as an error |
| 05:31.20 | emss | Turtles5353 can you ssh in? |
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| 05:31.47 | emss | ssh root@<nas-ip> |
| 05:32.08 | Turtles5353 | in a terminal? |
| 05:32.15 | Turtles5353 | Im using "PuTTy" |
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| 05:32.37 | TSE | emss: Sorry, I'm not sure if I'm following you. I already have the dhcpd but I'm implementing a failover configuration. |
| 05:33.00 | emss | TSE and you have a question about what that syslog message means ... |
| 05:33.47 | Turtles5353 | I did that in terminal and it returns "Connection closed by remote host" |
| 05:33.55 | TSE | emss: no, my question is why it is flooded with "balance to pool" messages every other 60 secs. and I have another set of pairs that has the message logs every 60 minutes |
| 05:34.19 | emss | oh |
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| 05:40.01 | emss | Turtles5353 go to that link you posted, 2. Install Debian ... , then Notes:, check the second note |
| 05:41.33 | emss | Turtles5353 you could also take the disk out, put it in another machine with a keyboard/mouse/monitor, mount it, make your desired changed and place it back in the nas? |
| 05:42.12 | Turtles5353 | yeah thats what I was thinking, its not made to be opened so i might do a little damage but it should work |
| 05:42.53 | Turtles5353 | i think im pretty far from knowing enough *nix to hack my way back in, i guess ill bite the bullet |
| 05:43.01 | Turtles5353 | thanks both of you |
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| 05:44.00 | raikd | hi guys ... does anyone know in which user file the user's startup applications are mentioned --- in Ubuntu |
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| 05:44.40 | streuner_ | raikd: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 05:45.23 | emss | Turtles5353 well, are there usb ports on the nas? |
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| 05:45.44 | Turtles5353 | yeah there are |
| 05:45.53 | emss | is that to plug the nas into a computer? |
| 05:46.02 | Turtles5353 | external hard drive |
| 05:46.32 | Turtles5353 | is there a computer <-> computer USB protocol that would be enabled by default in debian? |
| 05:46.39 | raikd | Thanks streuner_ :) |
| 05:46.44 | Turtles5353 | im running lubuntu on my computer |
| 05:47.09 | emss | you could try connecting the nas via usb to your computer and see if anything should up in dmesg/syslog/messages |
| 05:47.26 | emss | should/shows |
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| 05:48.44 | emss | Turtles5353 did you successfully ssh into the nas after installing debian? |
| 05:48.50 | emss | i assume you did |
| 05:49.06 | Turtles5353 | haha, i cant remember the last time i used a USB male to male cable |
| 05:49.11 | Turtles5353 | everything is USB A to B |
| 05:49.16 | Turtles5353 | or male to female |
| 05:49.24 | Turtles5353 | or usb -> mini/micro |
| 05:49.44 | Turtles5353 | yeah emss, I got in, changed the root password, updated apt-get, and installed just those few packages |
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| 05:50.10 | Turtles5353 | mounted a drive, probably messed up my hosts config, and rebooted |
| 05:50.28 | emss | and made the modification to /etc/hosts.deny rebooted and you can no longer ssh in? |
| 05:50.32 | Turtles5353 | now its on, got an IP address, but I can't ssh to it |
| 05:50.33 | Turtles5353 | yeah |
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| 05:51.14 | emss | what nas is it? |
| 05:51.24 | Turtles5353 | seagate NAS 220 |
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| 05:51.39 | Turtles5353 | its like an 800Mhz processor, two internal 3TB drives |
| 05:51.51 | Turtles5353 | RAID 0 or 1, and 2 USB ports for external drives |
| 05:51.57 | Turtles5353 | gigabit port and power |
| 05:52.24 | emss | 2 terabyte blackarmor? |
| 05:52.41 | Turtles5353 | but for some reason default software is super slow (I was getting <1.2MB/sec) over wireless n (at a distance of < 6ft) |
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| 05:52.50 | Turtles5353 | 6TB Blackarmor |
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| 05:54.06 | emss | STAV6000100 ? |
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| 05:55.54 | Turtles5353 | looks like it |
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| 05:56.13 | Turtles5353 | it doesnt say that number on the unit but it says seagate blackarmor NAS 220 |
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| 05:58.17 | hagbard_celine | so my xen kernel in the config wouldn't boot. could it be, that the grub wouldn't run through the 08 section in the grub.cfg http://paste.debian.net/180569/ anyone any idea? |
| 05:58.53 | Turtles5353 | hrmm looks like its pretty easy to open up |
| 05:58.58 | Turtles5353 | lets see if that works |
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| 06:02.45 | Turtles5353 | hrmm maybe not |
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| 06:03.06 | emss | ? |
| 06:03.09 | Turtles5353 | I have an external sata enclosure 2.5", i figured the connector was the same |
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| 06:03.44 | Turtles5353 | and I could try to power the 3.5" drive from the NAS, but I don't think two USB leads will give enough power for a desktop hdd |
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| 06:04.01 | Turtles5353 | unless I plug it into a cell phone charger or something |
| 06:04.23 | Turtles5353 | also, if the two drives were RAID-1 |
| 06:04.31 | Turtles5353 | would I need to change the file on both hdds? |
| 06:05.11 | emss | from the link you posted it seems to install debian on a portion of one of hdds |
| 06:06.00 | emss | it looks easy to open though? |
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| 06:07.19 | emss | just open the nas up remove a drive and connect it to your lubuntu machine |
| 06:07.26 | Turtles5353 | yeah i did |
| 06:07.36 | Turtles5353 | so the Y cable is going from my cell phone usb charger |
| 06:07.45 | Turtles5353 | and one to computer, other end to the drive |
| 06:07.50 | Turtles5353 | not sure if it spun up |
| 06:08.04 | emss | then mount the correct partition with debian /etc filesystem make your modifications and put it back together :) |
| 06:08.16 | Turtles5353 | wasn't detected by lubuntu |
| 06:08.21 | emss | wait |
| 06:08.22 | Turtles5353 | probably didn't get enough juice right? |
| 06:08.36 | emss | you took a hard disk out of the nas? |
| 06:08.38 | Turtles5353 | the usb -> SATA I have is an external 2.5 inch enclosure |
| 06:08.41 | Turtles5353 | yeah |
| 06:09.26 | emss | oh you are trying to use the drive in an external enclosure and connect that to your lubuntu machine? |
| 06:09.38 | Turtles5353 | oh sorry, lubuntu is a laptop |
| 06:09.49 | Turtles5353 | i don't have a full PC to pop it in |
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| 06:09.57 | emss | :( |
| 06:10.01 | Turtles5353 | i guess i just need the right tools for th ejob |
| 06:10.27 | emss | so are those 2.5" or 3.5" drives in the nas? |
| 06:10.45 | Turtles5353 | 3.5 |
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| 06:11.45 | boudiccas | Turtles5353: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:11.58 | emss | can you use the power cable from the nas and the sata cable/port/attachment from the external enclosure? |
| 06:13.13 | Turtles5353 | boudiccas: Lenny, apparently kernel would need a lot of work to upgrade |
| 06:13.35 | karlpinc | emss: Without takeing care to ground properly, or something, that sounds like a recepie for driving current through things that should not have current driven through them. |
| 06:14.03 | boudiccas | Turtles5353: that is now EOL, you should consider upgrading to squeeze, as leeny has known security problems |
| 06:14.05 | Turtles5353 | emss: thats what I was hoping but actually inside is really clean you just pull out the drives which are on rails and plug right into a connector with both power and data |
| 06:14.08 | boudiccas | lenny |
| 06:15.05 | Turtles5353 | it looks exactly like a notebook sata connector but obviously has more power, i don't think im adventerous enough to start looking for where the pins come out to connect them to my laptop |
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| 06:16.15 | Turtles5353 | boudiccas: appreciate the input, im already way beyond my knowledge, completely new to *nix, theres no way I can really figure out how to get to squeeze |
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| 06:16.59 | boudiccas | !tell Turtles5353 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 06:18.01 | Turtles5353 | from the people working on this: |
| 06:18.02 | Turtles5353 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.23 | boudiccas | Turtles5353: you will eventually get to the point when there is no support for your system, there are no security updates now for it, but, its your machine so its up to you |
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| 06:23.09 | Turtles5353 | hopefully ill get there soon i just want access to it right now |
| 06:23.18 | Turtles5353 | maybe i could use a security exploit or two ;) |
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| 06:23.29 | Ottre | running distupgrade i get this warning: |
| 06:23.31 | Ottre | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 06:23.39 | zw | Hi fellow debian users. |
| 06:23.50 | Calinou | Turtles5353, you could use testing if you want a rolling release... |
| 06:23.52 | Ottre | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 |
| 06:24.01 | Calinou | shields in the "sh*tstorm incoming" mode |
| 06:24.04 | zw | I have a question for the experts among you guys. In the past I always used an expensive storage (netapp) over nfs to build large scale setups. I used an nfs volume on the storage to have date available across nodes. |
| 06:24.11 | zw | And I was wondering if there is somekind of new strategy of building large scale platforms where data needs to be across multiple nodes instantly. (No rsync or daily copy solutions) |
| 06:24.22 | Ottre | should i install the firmware and run distupgrade again or is it safe to reboot? |
| 06:24.32 | zw | I'm testing some new dell servers with ssd storage, bloody fast. |
| 06:25.04 | emss | Turtles5353 the drives have a regular sata connecter? |
| 06:25.39 | Turtles5353 | yeah looks like it, but they're set up like a hot swap so they just slide into a bracket, no cables |
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| 06:26.01 | Turtles5353 | so its like PCB -> Plastic, with the data next to the power |
| 06:26.17 | emss | yes the "backplane" |
| 06:26.32 | Turtles5353 | yeah thats the word |
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| 06:26.58 | Turtles5353 | lemme see if i can take apart an old external 3.5" drive |
| 06:27.03 | emss | well you can get a 3.5/sata to usb converter and connect it to your notebook |
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| 06:27.54 | Ottre | hello? |
| 06:29.46 | emss | Ottre hello |
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| 06:30.38 | Ottre | is it safe to ignore that warning? |
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| 06:31.25 | streuner_ | Ottre: yes, if the NIC is still supported... |
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| 06:34.25 | streuner_ | Ottre: are you able to get this (tg3_tso5.bin)? |
| 06:35.05 | streuner_ | Ottre: amset:/tmp# apt-file search tg3_tso5.bin |
| 06:35.05 | streuner_ | firmware-linux-nonfree: /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin |
| 06:35.26 | emss | zw instantly would mean mirroring on all the nodes? |
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| 06:38.15 | zw | emss: Yes. And read/write on all of them, like nfs. |
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| 06:39.25 | emss | what else is there? |
| 06:39.51 | emss | nfs/afs with fast hba or faster! |
| 06:39.52 | Ottre | streuner_: no problems after reboot |
| 06:40.04 | streuner_ | Ottre: ok, fine. |
| 06:40.26 | Turtles5353 | ok got it plugged into a 3.5" enclosure |
| 06:40.29 | Turtles5353 | turned on |
| 06:40.33 | Turtles5353 | lubuntu doesn't recognize it |
| 06:40.34 | emss | well, there is iscsi |
| 06:41.05 | Turtles5353 | do i need to do something, i thought it should be seen like a USB key |
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| 06:42.27 | emss | Turtles5353 did you check /var/log/messages ? |
| 06:43.00 | boudiccas | Turtles5353: sorry, we cannot support lubuntu, you'll need to ask #ubuntu. we can only support debian |
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| 06:44.31 | emss | . |
| 06:46.38 | boudiccas | Turtles5353: yes it is awkward when you're dealing with a problem on a debian machine and also involves a luibuntu machine, but we dont know the inner guts of lubuntu, which is why we cannot support it aand suggest you ask in #ubuntu |
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| 06:53.41 | cali | hello |
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| 07:03.49 | zw | emss: isn't there somekind of shared/distributed/clusteraware fs for linux ? |
| 07:03.57 | zw | That can be used for high available stuff ? |
| 07:05.41 | emss | nfs, afs, glusterfs, lustre etc. |
| 07:06.00 | emss | probably zfs btrfs |
| 07:06.02 | klys | coda: clustering network file system |
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| 07:07.44 | zw | Ok, the question is if one of those filesystems are used in high scalable environments . |
| 07:07.47 | zw | ? |
| 07:07.57 | emss | gfs |
| 07:08.03 | emss | lustre sure is |
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| 07:08.41 | emss | you probably won't ever scale to what some lustre fs have |
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| 07:10.15 | Turtles5353 | thanks to everyone that helped, good night all |
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| 07:10.40 | zw | emss: ok, but lustre is not cluster aware no ? |
| 07:10.55 | zw | It is not really used to read/write across nodes no ? |
| 07:10.57 | emss | zw http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=tree;f=Documentation/filesystems |
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| 07:12.06 | emss | there is also a clustered xfs |
| 07:12.13 | emss | cxfs |
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| 07:12.36 | Jabali | Does anyone know about Maxthon browser? |
| 07:13.18 | Jabali | Anyone? |
| 07:13.28 | ironm | Jabali, I didn't hear anything about this browser |
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| 07:14.17 | Jabali | Thanks Ironm |
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| 07:14.57 | emss | zw i suggest you check wikipedia |
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| 07:15.10 | Jabali | I did |
| 07:15.19 | emss | look up lustre and check the categories |
| 07:15.25 | superlinux-hp | hi. which is best to read ePUB files? |
| 07:15.33 | superlinux-hp | hi. which is best to read ePUB files/documents? |
| 07:15.47 | Jabali | I specifically need to about know the security features |
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| 07:16.00 | emss | Jabali never heard of it |
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| 07:16.06 | ironm | Jabali, there is at least no .deb package for sid. ... root@sid:~# apt-cache search maxthon |
| 07:16.06 | ironm | root@sid:~# |
| 07:16.08 | drigolli4r | bonjour |
| 07:16.08 | thewanderer1 | Jabali: it's a closed-source browser by the Chinese. security, you say? |
| 07:16.13 | Jabali | Yes |
| 07:16.28 | drigolli4r | hi debian |
| 07:16.30 | emss | thewanderer1 might be better than microsofts? |
| 07:16.31 | superlinux-hp | Jabali, are you an arab? |
| 07:16.38 | Jabali | No |
| 07:16.45 | superlinux-hp | Ah ok |
| 07:16.45 | Jabali | I am indian |
| 07:16.48 | Jabali | From India |
| 07:16.58 | thewanderer1 | emss: and how does it apply to Debian, where we only have secure browsers like Iceweasel and Chromium? :P |
| 07:17.02 | superlinux-hp | your name looks to me arab |
| 07:17.19 | ironm | Jabali, don't use closed source software ... it is *not* safety to use such software |
| 07:17.19 | Jabali | @Superlinux i get that a lot |
| 07:17.38 | thewanderer1 | seriously, if you want security, just go for Chromium or Iceweasel (in that order) - you can't trust software whose source code you can not see |
| 07:17.52 | Jabali | I know |
| 07:18.03 | thewanderer1 | after all, what reason could they possibly have for not displaying the source? |
| 07:18.17 | klys | javali: from Mumbai? |
| 07:18.18 | ironm | thewanderer1, iceweasel and chromium are not secure enough :( |
| 07:18.27 | Jabali | I heard about that browser restricting access to websites |
| 07:18.57 | thewanderer1 | ironm: define "secure enough". for what purpose? Chromium features sandboxing, seccomp (in newer releases), and syscall filtering. |
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| 07:19.30 | Jabali | I was wondering if that was a security function or an attempt to control knowledge flow |
| 07:19.54 | thewanderer1 | Jabali: Chromium also features an anti-phishing filter which connects to Google public site blacklists, but you can disable this feature |
| 07:20.02 | Jabali | Exactly |
| 07:20.11 | Jabali | But here you cant |
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| 07:20.21 | Jabali | Sounds fishy |
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| 07:20.57 | thewanderer1 | anyway, this browser is not part of Debian and it's unsupported here, so just find something that works, is secure, and comes as free software... |
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| 07:21.41 | Jabali | @Wanderer I know man. I was just wondering if you guys know anything about it |
| 07:23.19 | Jabali | Apparently it was designed by a Chinese revolutionary to fight against the censorship rules |
| 07:23.29 | Jabali | So i thought it was interesting |
| 07:24.03 | emss | zw if you have/had any performance concers about nfs3 i think nfs4 might address those |
| 07:24.10 | emss | concerns* |
| 07:24.36 | thewanderer1 | Jabali: if you want to know for sure, there are tools in Debian that can help you check. use a virtual machine manager (KVM, VirtualBox), launch Maxthon on a supported OS inside the VM, and monitor the network connections on the host or the router (jnettop could work). |
| 07:25.13 | ironm | thewanderer1, I hate in iceweasel few things. it needs a lot of memory to run, it has wrong default settings and advertising for google |
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| 07:25.43 | oneand0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.45 | thewanderer1 | ironm: still, it's secure by default, so the point stands... |
| 07:26.25 | thewanderer1 | Jabali: provided that it has no means of detecting the VM, you'll at least have some proof whether it performs suspicious activity |
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| 07:28.08 | zw | emss: nfs4 on netapp is buggy, certainly the permission stuff |
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| 07:28.18 | ironm | no .. it is not. You have to switch off "security / save passwords" and some other settings .. <thewanderer1> ironm: still, it's secure by default, so the point stands... |
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| 07:28.28 | emss | zw oh, i don't know netapp, sorry |
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| 07:28.55 | Jabali | Thanks Wanderer |
| 07:29.06 | Harutsedo | Where can I find the sys and inf files required for me to use ndiswrapper? |
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| 07:30.17 | boudiccas | i have a scrip that runs from a cronjob as user that writes my ip route to a file, and it has this line in it...... date; curl ifconfig.me>>/home/boztu/cron/ip.txt ...... the curl command works but not the date part? why, and what do i have to do to get it all running properly please. this under squeeze |
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| 07:33.08 | ironm | thewanderer1, the other one is for example: extended/update/add-ons default setting |
| 07:34.11 | thewanderer1 | ironm: it asks you before saving any passwords, and extensions/components are updated over SSL - what's the problem? |
| 07:34.35 | ironm | and content / java script "on" default |
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| 07:35.11 | thewanderer1 | because today's Web is useless without it? :P |
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| 07:38.00 | peterrooney | boudiccas: what about date "doesn't work" ? |
| 07:38.47 | boudiccas | peterrooney: i only get the outptu from the curl command, it just shows my ip host without showing the date as well |
| 07:39.11 | boudiccas | output |
| 07:39.22 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: (date; curl blahbla) >>/home/boztu/cron/ip.txt |
| 07:39.28 | Gargantua | can I get l to pass over newlines on the last non-whitespace character? |
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| 07:39.36 | Gargantua | Woops, wrong channel. |
| 07:39.38 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: okay, thanks |
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| 07:40.43 | grifx | I'm on the unstable version. Is that normal that Skype crash the first time I lauchn it of the day ? |
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| 07:41.47 | epsilon | yea, Skype needs restart after NSA cracked it |
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| 07:42.31 | thewanderer1 | grifx: yeah, completely normal. |
| 07:42.54 | grifx | NSA cracked ? |
| 07:43.01 | grifx | what is NSA ? |
| 07:43.40 | grifx | Are you kidding me |
| 07:43.40 | grifx | lol |
| 07:44.26 | Gargantua | epsilon: lol |
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| 07:47.16 | Mmike | never mind the NSA, they're moving all activity to RSA, that's better and more secure. And I hear they're forming new ueber-company BlowYourFish. That one is going to be mega. |
| 07:47.49 | boudiccas | Mmike: link? |
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| 07:48.25 | Mmike | no link, it's too seecret to have a link. |
| 07:48.42 | Mmike | is full of crap, of course, please don't take me serious. |
| 07:48.45 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 07:54.19 | avernos | hello, i am using debian stable with nvidia. i havent changed any video driver or configuration. I am using dual monitors. testing works fine. stable gives some trouble. i think it relates to this but i am not sure |
| 07:54.19 | avernos | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654612 |
| 07:54.24 | avernos | does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 07:54.38 | avernos | the monitor just shutsdown after a little bit |
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| 07:54.46 | avernos | the secondary monitor that is.. |
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| 07:55.11 | avernos | [drm:edid_is_valid] *ERROR* Raw EDID: |
| 07:55.17 | avernos | nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DVI-I-2: EDID invalid. |
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| 07:55.43 | boudiccas | avernos: please dont paste into the channel, use a pastebin |
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| 07:55.48 | dos000 | how do i know the closest/fastes apt server around me ? |
| 07:56.01 | dos000 | i mean packages mirror |
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| 07:56.10 | avernos | ok ^6 |
| 07:56.48 | dos000 | is there a tool i can use that will show the closest/fastes packages mirror around me ? |
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| 07:58.32 | bardzusny | apt-spy |
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| 08:00.12 | dos000 | bardzusny: i dont have that installed. How do i (re)run the apt setup utility that i used during installation |
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| 08:01.54 | boudiccas | dos000: did you try running sudo apt-spy? i didnt think that i had it installed but it ran here |
| 08:02.24 | dos000 | boudiccas: i am installing debian 6 using a neinstall |
| 08:02.33 | Lis | hey everyone. I runned a full-upgrade from squeeze to testing and now apt is broken. It tells me /usr/lib/apt/methods/http could not be foud |
| 08:02.38 | boudiccas | dos000: ah right, fair enough |
| 08:02.42 | dos000 | boudiccas: and apt-spy is not part of the default things i have |
| 08:03.15 | boudiccas | ,v apt-spy |
| 08:03.16 | judd | Package: apt-spy on i386 -- lenny: 3.1-19; squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1 |
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| 08:03.54 | dos000 | boudiccas: right now my system is installed but i messed up the apt-setup part |
| 08:04.14 | dos000 | base-config is also not working |
| 08:04.26 | dos000 | its not even installed |
| 08:04.52 | dos000 | i am hoping i dont have to reinstall |
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| 08:06.48 | guardian | hi |
| 08:06.52 | martinarielhartm | hi, is there anyone who can help me with wifi issues? |
| 08:06.52 | martinarielhartm | my card is atheros. I have no problems with ubuntu, but with debian it takes like an hour to connect. |
| 08:06.52 | martinarielhartm | if it ever does. |
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| 08:08.10 | guardian | whenever I want to change hostname, is there a tool that replaces the previous hostname by the new one in every concerned file? /etc/hostname? /etc/hosts? /etc/motd? or do I do it by hand? |
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| 08:14.28 | thewanderer1 | guardian: no tool can possibly know about all occurences... your best bet is grepping /etc for your hostname and replacing it manually, applying common sense |
| 08:14.32 | Lis | Anyone? |
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| 08:15.05 | dos000 | somone plz tell me where is base-config equivalent in squeeze ??? |
| 08:15.07 | guardian | ok thx |
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| 08:17.59 | emss | Lis you did you aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 08:18.11 | hanibana | I have a server with multiple CPU cores and a Java application run on a multi-core CPU. But, just a single core is mostly occupied by that app(seen from top). How can one distribute some system or application load over all cores? I mean how can I fully-utilize the processing power? Both system (Linux) and application side. |
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| 08:19.41 | emss | hanibana depends on the application |
| 08:20.12 | Lis | emss, yes and now the system is completely broken. I just did backups of my user data and plan to do a full reinstall if noone can help |
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| 08:20.38 | emss | Lis well, you mean apt is broken? |
| 08:20.46 | emss | but the rest seems fine? |
| 08:20.58 | Lis | emss, i cant update or install anything |
| 08:21.09 | Lis | emss, yes it boots without problems |
| 08:21.32 | emss | well you can manually download the apt packages and use dpkg to install them |
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| 08:23.04 | emss | Lis http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:23.49 | emss | Lis grab the apt package for your specific architecture/debian version and use dpkg --install apt....deb |
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| 08:25.26 | hanibana | emss: just application? so there's not any thing to configure in debian side? some /proc or sysctl stuff? |
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| 08:27.42 | emss | hanibana aside from some java/java application settings involving threads and threading and running an smp aware kernel the application needs to the programmed to make use of multiple cpus |
| 08:28.00 | emss | the/be |
| 08:30.01 | hanibana | yes thanks |
| 08:31.03 | emss | if it's not threaded or not threaded that well you could try the amd/intel turboboost stuff ... |
| 08:31.09 | emss | i don't know anything about that though |
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| 08:32.14 | Lis | yea apt works again |
| 08:33.39 | emss | Lis how did you fix it? |
| 08:33.44 | _-`user0 | Bonjour |
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| 08:36.33 | Lis | emss, mkdir rescue ; cd rescue ; wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt-transport-https_0.9.7.1_amd64.deb ; wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.9.7.1_amd64.deb ; dpkg --install *.deb |
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| 08:36.53 | guardian | I'm running squeeze, I would like to use vim 7.3. what's the best way? recompile it myself? or take it from testing? |
| 08:36.59 | emss | Lis ok |
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| 08:37.24 | Lis | emss, and the full-upgrade was not finished 450 more packages to install |
| 08:37.45 | emss | Lis what were you upgrading from -> to ? |
| 08:38.31 | Lis | emss, squeeze to testing |
| 08:39.57 | emss | guardian see if there are any backports? which there do not seem to be http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ |
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| 08:40.54 | emss | guardian you can use apt pinning and install packages from different repositories stable/testing/unstable |
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| 08:41.28 | guardian | i'm very surprised it's not in backports |
| 08:41.33 | guardian | considering how popular vim is |
| 08:42.00 | emss | will with apt pinning it just might not be necessary ... |
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| 08:42.21 | somiaj | ,versions vim |
| 08:42.21 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-3; sid: 2:7.3.547-4 |
| 08:42.38 | somiaj | guardian: /msg dpkg ssbp (instructions for making your own backport) |
| 08:42.44 | guardian | thx |
| 08:42.49 | somiaj | I woudln't expect vim to be to difficult to compile form source. |
| 08:43.11 | somiaj | ,check-backports vim |
| 08:43.29 | somiaj | ,check-backport vim |
| 08:43.43 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-4.6. |
| 08:43.59 | somiaj | hmm guess not, wonder why vim needs gcc-4.6 |
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| 08:49.22 | njin | Hallo. I'm an Ubuntu tester, and i've got a problem reporting a bug afflicting the Debian Installer. |
| 08:50.39 | njin | During installation it request the non-free ralink package, but if I give it, the connection is possible and working, but on the next step, when it install the linux firmware, it will fail |
| 08:51.25 | njin | There's a way to report a bug on debian tracker, without having debian installed ? |
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| 08:55.11 | somiaj | njin: you can just email them, but in order to have a decent report you need to state which version of debian is affected and have some info about that system |
| 08:55.23 | somiaj | njin: is this the current stable installer or are you trying the testing installer? |
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| 08:57.26 | somiaj | njin: you may also find #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net useful (that is the place to talk about the debian installer) |
| 08:57.32 | maarhart | hi, I have this computer http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/fujitsu-siemens-amilo-pa-1510.html . I think I had the same problem with wifi as this guy, and I wonder if wlan works with madwifi. where can I get it from? |
| 08:58.02 | somiaj | njin: there is a #debian-installer as well on that network |
| 08:58.21 | njin | somiaj: ok, thanks i'm looking for the report i made in Launchpad, closed as invalid because afflicting the non-free package |
| 08:58.23 | maarhart | I could not find it from debian stable non free |
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| 08:59.32 | somiaj | njin: yea the offical installer doesn't support non-free packages by default (one thing I'm hoping is cleaned up with wheezy). |
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| 09:00.43 | njin | somiaj, it also make the installation of mini.iso impossible if not wired in case of rt61pci based cards |
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| 09:01.44 | njin | somiaj: I try to post on #debian-installer |
| 09:01.48 | njin | thanks |
| 09:01.51 | somiaj | njin: again you may have better luck going to irc.oftc.net and being patient there |
| 09:02.25 | somiaj | njin: I personally just avoid firmware in the installer and install it after the base system is up and running due to how the current debian-installer handels the non-free firmware packages |
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| 09:04.12 | diverdude | hmm i have inserted a network card in my computer, but it seems that when i write ifconfig its not shown. Do i have to enable it somehow? |
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| 09:04.51 | somiaj | diverdude: check dmesg (near the end) what does it say about that device? Is this usb or pci? |
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| 09:05.52 | diverdude | somiaj: its pci |
| 09:06.30 | somiaj | diverdude: well check lspci and then dmesg |
| 09:07.00 | somiaj | diverdude: once you figure out what chipset the card uses you may have to either install some firmware or upgrade to a backported kernel (if the device is to new to be supported in squeezes default kernel) |
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| 09:23.32 | jargon- | how do i stop aptitude from assraping my server? |
| 09:23.50 | jargon- | wait,sorry, how do i stop aptitude from removing "UNUSED" pkgs? |
| 09:26.05 | jelly | jargon-: aptitude unmarkauto foo |
| 09:26.32 | jelly | nice save btw |
| 09:28.20 | jargon- | jelly: thank you |
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| 09:29.30 | jargon- | jelly: weird. aptitude unmarkauto wwwoffle. and when i try to install foo it's still trying to remove wwwoffle |
| 09:30.06 | jelly | jargon-: are you mixing packages from different releases? |
| 09:30.18 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:30.18 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 09:32.45 | jargon- | jelly: hang on. this is worse than i thought. brb |
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| 09:34.16 | ale | ciao a tutti |
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| 09:35.38 | jargon- | this either works, or i make the news today |
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| 09:37.51 | aBound | You're making the news. |
| 09:37.52 | aBound | :P |
| 09:38.16 | jargon- | :-( |
| 09:39.17 | aBound | As long as you aren't on the National News. :) |
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| 09:43.06 | aBound | Gotta love the Internet though right. If it doesn't work perhaps there's a workaround. |
| 09:43.07 | jargon- | i don't want to be in the news. period. |
| 09:43.34 | aBound | Neither would I unless I was some uber-hacker. lol |
| 09:44.57 | jargon- | lol |
| 09:45.25 | jargon- | put it this way,if they gave me the things i keep asking for, this wouldn't have happened |
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| 09:47.16 | EvOox- | hello guys, I have a proxy squid server which take time to respond on any request |
| 09:47.16 | aBound | Very true. |
| 09:47.26 | EvOox- | it's not a bandwidth trouble |
| 09:48.01 | EvOox- | do you have any idea on how to fix it ? |
| 09:48.26 | guardian | is this a good reference http://serverfault.com/a/22421/28146 to follow, if I just want to install vim from testing on a squeeze box? |
| 09:49.02 | jargon- | EvOox-: u're probably best off using the squid mailing list: http://www.squid-cache.org/Support/mailing-lists.html |
| 09:49.15 | jargon- | EvOox-: and don't forget to post them your squid.conf file |
| 09:49.32 | jargon- | EvOox-: maybe not the whole file, but the relevant parts, anyway |
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| 09:49.42 | xgl | hi all |
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| 09:50.54 | jargon- | hi |
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| 09:53.00 | xgl | hi jargon |
| 09:53.01 | EvOox- | jargon-: thanks dude |
| 09:53.12 | xgl | hi jargon- |
| 09:55.42 | aBound | Hey there's no way to reset the keyboard shortcuts is there? |
| 09:58.05 | boudiccas | i'm trying to install Guayadeque on squeeze, but apt-get keeps coming back saying 'E: Unable to locate package Guayadeque' , yet http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/guayadeque shows that its available. how do i install it then please? |
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| 09:58.33 | zecrazytux | hey |
| 09:58.50 | boudiccas | ,versions guayadeque |
| 09:58.51 | judd | Package: guayadeque on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.5-2; sid: 0.3.5~ds0-4; wheezy: 0.3.5~ds0-4 |
| 09:58.52 | zecrazytux | I've install apache2-dbg but gdb still can't find debug info |
| 09:59.00 | zecrazytux | any hint ? |
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| 09:59.29 | zecrazytux | (squeeze 2.2.16-6+squeeze7) |
| 09:59.47 | jargon- | EvOox-: no problem |
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| 10:08.15 | UltraMC | Hi |
| 10:08.24 | UltraMC | Why on VNC I see THIS: http://i46.tinypic.com/308i5av.png |
| 10:09.59 | bardzusny | UltraMC: it's X server, what do you want to see? |
| 10:10.05 | Diopter | Because you're connecting to a VNC X server -- not the X server you expected, most likely |
| 10:10.11 | UltraMC | GNOME with Window Manager |
| 10:10.14 | bardzusny | try x11vnc |
| 10:10.18 | bardzusny | hmm |
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| 10:10.42 | UltraMC | bardzusny, -bash: x11vnc: command not found |
| 10:10.45 | bardzusny | there is a file that specifies what is launched at the start of vnc x server, what's the name, what's the name |
| 10:10.48 | bardzusny | install it |
| 10:10.54 | UltraMC | Give me a sec |
| 10:11.15 | UltraMC | Ive created and edited $HOME/.vnc/xstartup file |
| 10:11.20 | UltraMC | It tells xserver to run GNOME |
| 10:11.26 | bardzusny | generally it looks like this: vnc-server package will launch "new" Xorg server, x11vnc will make your currently open Xorg session available through vnc |
| 10:11.34 | bardzusny | and you made it executable? |
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| 10:12.04 | UltraMC | nope |
| 10:12.05 | UltraMC | :P |
| 10:12.22 | UltraMC | Who shall have rights to X it? |
| 10:12.54 | bardzusny | owner should be enough I think |
| 10:13.07 | UltraMC | wtf YOU ARE RUNNING X11VNC WITHOUT A PASSWORD!! |
| 10:13.20 | bardzusny | man x11vnc - there are many options |
| 10:13.53 | bardzusny | also, generally vnc without some sort of encryption (like ssh tunnel) should be used only on lan |
| 10:14.07 | UltraMC | bardzusny, cool, but whats this (error): http://pastebin.com/879D0N2n |
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| 10:14.50 | bardzusny | x11vnc requires you to have already started Xorg server |
| 10:15.03 | UltraMC | erver is already active for display 0 |
| 10:15.03 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.03 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.19 | bardzusny | well, do what it says |
| 10:15.30 | UltraMC | huh? |
| 10:15.36 | UltraMC | But it says its active |
| 10:15.41 | bardzusny | that's great |
| 10:15.45 | bardzusny | then it should work |
| 10:15.47 | bardzusny | :p |
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| 10:16.32 | Diopter | UltraMC: Try "x11vnc -display :0" |
| 10:16.49 | UltraMC | *** x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", it cannot continue. |
| 10:16.49 | UltraMC | *** There may be "Xlib:" error messages above with details about the failure. |
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| 10:17.22 | bardzusny | you still didn't confirm it, do you have Xorg session open? |
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| 10:17.28 | UltraMC | echo $DISPLAY |
| 10:17.28 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.33 | bardzusny | no |
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| 10:17.39 | bardzusny | most often it's :0 |
| 10:17.50 | UltraMC | How to set it up? |
| 10:17.55 | bardzusny | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 10:17.59 | Diopter | bardzusny: Only if you're in a terminal in the X session |
| 10:18.02 | bardzusny | but it won't work if you haven't started xorg, did you? |
| 10:18.07 | bardzusny | Diopter: yes |
| 10:18.11 | UltraMC | How to check that I have Xorg session ope |
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| 10:18.13 | Diopter | UltraMC: Where are you typing these commands from? |
| 10:18.17 | UltraMC | root |
| 10:18.23 | UltraMC | ssh |
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| 10:18.36 | Diopter | Then you're doing it wrong :P |
| 10:18.40 | UltraMC | omg lol |
| 10:18.43 | bardzusny | bets his money that you don't actually want x11vnc |
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| 10:19.05 | Diopter | UltraMC: Is this a machine that's only accessed remotely? Someone doesn't sit down and use X locally? |
| 10:19.26 | UltraMC | Diopter, |
| 10:19.28 | UltraMC | Diopter, Why on VNC I see THIS: http://i46.tinypic.com/308i5av.png |
| 10:19.41 | UltraMC | Diopter, its dedicated server far far away |
| 10:19.45 | Diopter | That was incredibly unhelpful. Not only did you already ask it, but I already looked, and responded :P |
| 10:19.55 | Diopter | Oh good! So it's only accessed remotely. |
| 10:20.16 | Diopter | So you probably installed some desktop environment, like GNOME |
| 10:20.22 | Diopter | And assumed that meant it'd start automatically |
| 10:20.31 | UltraMC | Ay Sir, did reboot |
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| 10:20.57 | Diopter | But being a server, it was quite possibly configured to not start a graphical login manager/X session |
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| 10:21.34 | UltraMC | I can connect to it via ssh terminal, but I want a Windows Manager |
| 10:21.38 | Diopter | UltraMC: Simple way to find out is just... look at the process list. |
| 10:21.48 | Diopter | UltraMC: I take it you're not so good at the linuxes |
| 10:22.04 | UltraMC | Im shit, well what I can do is swich screens |
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| 10:22.28 | UltraMC | Processes: what I shall look for? |
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| 10:24.17 | UltraMC | Ups I was disconnected |
| 10:25.02 | Diopter | UltraMC: pgrep -fl bin/X |
| 10:25.07 | Diopter | UltraMC: See if you get any output |
| 10:25.40 | at0m | Hi, when I select menu dropdown in vlc/xine/..., or any entry window in ie. mythfrontend (no such menus there), X crashes with "Fatal IO error: client killed" and brings me back to xdm login window. In firefox, setting preferences works ok. What can I do to find out what's really going wrong? |
| 10:25.43 | UltraMC | 2520 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br -verbose -audit 0 -novtswitch -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-w1PyCJ/database -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 10:26.28 | Diopter | UltraMC: So you Do have an X session running. With gdm3 on vt7 no less. |
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| 10:26.45 | UltraMC | Diopter, and in English it means... |
| 10:27.14 | Diopter | UltraMC: Probably means you want to google "x11vnc login manager" or similar. I assume there's some Xauth issues that need to be figured out |
| 10:27.23 | Diopter | Since I assume you want to see the login manager |
| 10:27.33 | Diopter | And that means not running x11vnc from the user you want to login as |
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| 10:28.00 | UltraMC | Diopter, wel yeah |
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| 10:29.50 | jargon- | wow. we're good. no making the news. |
| 10:29.52 | jargon- | wow |
| 10:30.03 | jargon- | i think i need to go take a dump now |
| 10:30.09 | jargon- | or throw up |
| 10:30.11 | jargon- | both |
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| 10:30.45 | raz | hmm any chance of 2.6.33 entering squeeze? |
| 10:30.50 | raz | TRIM support is needed :( |
| 10:31.00 | Diopter | raz: Use the backported kernel. |
| 10:31.17 | Diopter | raz: Or install a newer one from testing, or unstable, or experimental, if you need the newer bits. |
| 10:31.20 | raz | Diopter: 3.2? |
| 10:31.24 | Diopter | raz: Sure. |
| 10:31.49 | Diopter | Debian Backports has been official for a bi |
| 10:31.51 | Diopter | t |
| 10:32.33 | Diopter | raz: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-amd64 for instance |
| 10:32.46 | raz | yes, seen that |
| 10:32.53 | raz | just seemed a bit big of an update |
| 10:33.01 | raz | anyway, guess i'm gonna bite |
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| 10:33.03 | Diopter | Not really. Just a couple kernel versions. |
| 10:33.14 | Diopter | And the kernel gets released fairly rapidly |
| 10:33.28 | Diopter | http://kernel.org/ check the dates |
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| 10:33.50 | Diopter | Also, you might not be aware how stable kernel numbering works since the 2.6 -> 3.x change |
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| 10:35.08 | raz | yup, i'm increasingly thinking the fixed-release model is just not working well for distros anymore |
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| 10:36.35 | gribouille | hi |
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| 10:38.42 | gribouille | when intalling a package in a .deb file, how can I install the dependencies automaically too? |
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| 10:41.11 | jargon- | gribouille: i don't think u can |
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| 10:47.08 | Diopter | gribouille: If you dpkg -i file.deb; apt-get -f install |
| 10:47.14 | Diopter | gribouille: Then apt-get will do it for you. |
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| 10:47.45 | Diopter | Debian's package installation state machine is very powerful in some ways |
| 10:48.32 | gribouille | Diopter, do I have to run dpkg -i file.deb again after apt-get -f install? |
| 10:48.37 | Diopter | gribouille: No. |
| 10:48.46 | gribouille | ok |
| 10:48.48 | Diopter | gribouille: The -f is for --fix-broken |
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| 10:49.35 | gribouille | is there a command to list the dependencies of a .deb file? |
| 10:50.15 | Diopter | gribouille: dpkg -I file.deb |
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| 10:50.22 | Diopter | The "Depends:" line |
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| 10:56.17 | wkhan113 | Hi, as sney knows I installed the 3.2 image on squeeze. But when I try to install automake it gives this error: http://pastebin.com/mHw6DBPc |
| 10:56.24 | wkhan113 | WHat can I do? |
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| 11:09.32 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 11:09.43 | Bartzy | /dev/mapper/vg--01-mongo 414G 199M 414G 1% /var/lib/mongodb |
| 11:09.59 | Bartzy | It's a newly formatted ext4 FS - what is the 200MB used ? |
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| 11:10.29 | glosoli | Hey I am at the moment running Ubuntu Server, considering to make switch to debian as too much stuff works not like expected, any ideas if Panels like ISPConfig or something might automatize me setting up Mail Services like Cyrus for Roundcube to host myself a mail server, or any links I might need to read or proper tutorials of how to mail server for debian ? |
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| 11:11.10 | thewanderer1 | glosoli: http://workaround.org - don't use panels unless you really know what you're doing |
| 11:11.19 | ksk | glosoli: this sounds like a "ISPConfig" question, and hast nothing to do with debian :) |
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| 11:12.07 | thewanderer1 | I've used the steps from workaround.org 3 years ago, still running fine today with Roundcube :) |
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| 11:12.21 | PaulePanter | Hi. libdbus segfaults on my system when `colord-sane` uses it. |
| 11:12.22 | PaulePanter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668225 |
| 11:12.26 | PaulePanter | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49973 |
| 11:12.35 | PaulePanter | I need to get a backtrace. |
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| 11:13.07 | PaulePanter | How can I configure Debian to make a core dump. It is important to do that during startup because that is where the race is. |
| 11:13.13 | glosoli | thewanderer1: thanks, that's what I needed to hear |
| 11:13.31 | PaulePanter | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49973#c7 |
| 11:13.48 | PaulePanter | $ grep unlimited /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 11:13.54 | PaulePanter | * soft core unlimited |
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| 11:14.11 | PaulePanter | does not seem to do it because this is related to PAM, if I am not mistaken. |
| 11:14.39 | PaulePanter | And Debian ignores `/etc/limits.conf` or it does not work. |
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| 11:17.09 | thewanderer1 | PaulePanter: if the program is started from an init script, you could put the ulimit statements in the script |
| 11:20.26 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: Ok. But there is no init script. It is started by D-Bus. |
| 11:20.32 | PaulePanter | thewanderer1: I have to look there. |
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| 11:32.24 | jargon- | do i *need* uucp on my server? |
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| 11:33.00 | tukja | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQUNaC_1bI&list=HL1343214324&feature=mh_lolz |
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| 11:38.20 | boudiccas | ,v gobby |
| 11:38.21 | judd | Package: gobby on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.8-1~lenny1; squeeze: 0.4.12-2; sid: 0.4.13-2; wheezy: 0.4.13-2 |
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| 11:55.39 | BlitzHere | Hi, I'm running wheezy and am trying to configure plymouth. I have an nvidia card with proprietary 173xx drivers installed. What module name should I use in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
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| 11:58.58 | BlitzHere | And what's the difference between update-grub and update-grub2? I have grub version 1.99 or something similar on my wheezy installation. I used update-grub and it seemed to work but the Plymouth faq wants me to use update-grub2 |
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| 12:00.19 | bardzusny | update-grub |
| 12:00.25 | Morteza | how to install program with dependencies? |
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| 12:01.06 | bardzusny | Morteza: apt-get install <nameoftheprogram> |
| 12:01.18 | bardzusny | (or aptitude, not apt-get) |
| 12:01.27 | Morteza | bardzusny: I know this , I wanna to install with depndencies |
| 12:01.44 | bardzusny | dependencies will be fetched automatically |
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| 12:01.59 | Morteza | bardzusny: but I have y/n/q/? |
| 12:02.12 | BlitzHere | apt-get or aptitude will get dependencies automatically |
| 12:02.29 | bardzusny | Morteza: squeeze? |
| 12:02.38 | Morteza | bardzusny: yes |
| 12:02.46 | BlitzHere | Morteza: so, you are using aptitude |
| 12:02.54 | bardzusny | can you post exact message somewhere? |
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| 12:03.20 | Morteza | yes |
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| 12:06.13 | dvs | Morteza: It's asking to remove packages which are incompatible with the package you're trying to install. |
| 12:06.55 | Morteza | dvs: it told me : Keep the following packages at their current version |
| 12:07.03 | Morteza | bardzusny: Keep the following packages at their current version |
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| 12:29.39 | tgs3 | I installed system to /boot on sda1 |
| 12:29.57 | tgs3 | how to move the MBR and /boot to sdg1 which is an USB |
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| 12:30.07 | tgs3 | so that computer will now mount from that usbpen instead of hard drive |
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| 12:31.07 | Iridos | err... the important bit about /boot is not if and where you mount it... |
| 12:31.30 | tgs3 | Iridos: sure but how to move it into another drive |
| 12:31.48 | tgs3 | ofc I will tell bios to boot from that usb-pen but how to mave proper MBR and /boot on that usb-pen |
| 12:32.11 | tgs3 | I cant just dd because partition table on usb-pen is ofc different (there are other partitions behind 1st that is boot) |
| 12:32.21 | tgs3 | but I do want to have MBR on the usb |
| 12:32.46 | tgs3 | also if I just duplicate the MBR, will it contain grub that will know to look for partition 1 of current driver, right? |
| 12:32.50 | Iridos | you can just write grub boot stuff to the MBR region |
| 12:33.03 | tgs3 | so just copy that few needed bytes? |
| 12:33.15 | tgs3 | and duplicate /boot itself by normal file copy cp -ar as root? |
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| 12:33.29 | faultyRAM | hi |
| 12:33.32 | boudiccas | i'm trying to write a script to output the date and the ip route to a txt.file, but its failing on the date function. the relevant line is ...{/bin/date; /usr/bin/curl ifconfig.me}>>/home/boztu/cron/ip.txt ... this is under squeeze how can i get the script running properly please? |
| 12:33.40 | Iridos | no... configure grup and use install-grub or whatever else one does |
| 12:33.44 | Iridos | dpkg, mbr |
| 12:33.46 | dpkg | The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR. |
| 12:33.56 | faultyRAM | is it possible that i have a faulty ram that passes memtest86+ tests? |
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| 12:34.55 | faultyRAM | memtest86+ goes OK but i still have vlc segfaults while playing dvb streams on my LAN (DVB-T udp multicast streams generated via mumudvb) |
| 12:35.35 | faultyRAM | i also had an iceweasel segfault just after i ran the command. |
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| 12:37.58 | nevyn | how long did you run it for? |
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| 12:38.57 | faultyRAM | nevyn: after less than 1 hour vlc crashes. iceweasel crashed after less than 10 seconds (but it was happend only 1 time) |
| 12:39.16 | nevyn | how long did you run memtest86 for? |
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| 12:39.58 | PhoenixSTF | is there an updated version of mumble-server on the squeeze normal repos? |
| 12:40.08 | faultyRAM | nevyn: i let it run until i got 100% and the "test passed" strings appeared. Now i'm running it another time (pc is a notebook) |
| 12:40.23 | Iridos | huh? there's never any new versions in stable, except if a new stable is released |
| 12:40.29 | nevyn | did you configure it to do all tests |
| 12:40.48 | faultyRAM | nevyn: also memtest is memtest86+ (i dont know the difference between mentest86 and memtest86+ ) |
| 12:41.17 | sunkan | Am upgrading a test machine to wheezy but am only on 3G so would like to avoid to download stuff twice. I have a USB HDD with CD1 from wheezy, can I have that specified in sources.list together with HTTP URIs and have apt-get upgrade choose the local repo if package is same as the version online? |
| 12:41.39 | nevyn | memtest86+ yes |
| 12:42.13 | faultyRAM | nevyn: i started memtest86+ from the grub menu. i didnt touch anything . it started the tests . Now i relaunched it and it is at 36 minutes with pass 59%. i think the tests could take an hour zirca. |
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| 12:42.44 | nevyn | so memtest86+ defaults to a minimal test set |
| 12:42.49 | nevyn | you can set it to all tests |
| 12:42.59 | nevyn | but it'll need more time |
| 12:43.21 | Dmitrijus | sunkan: just do a cd only install, and then switch to http repos |
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| 12:43.58 | faultyRAM | nevyn: i can try, i have that notebook hare running memtest86+ . what kind of tests do you suggest me to do? |
| 12:44.30 | faultyRAM | now it is on "default test" |
| 12:44.37 | faultyRAM | *tests |
| 12:44.49 | sunkan | Dmitrijus: Ok, maybe that is easiest.. Accidentaly downloaded the non-KDE CD1 though (am running KDE), but I guess that will not stop the core system from working to be able to continue the upgrade.. |
| 12:45.01 | faultyRAM | i have the options: skip current test, or select test |
| 12:45.21 | faultyRAM | or "select bit fade test" |
| 12:45.58 | Dmitrijus | sunkan: however, it doesn't much sense, since wheezy packages is updated very quite often :) |
| 12:46.08 | faultyRAM | thought memtest86+ was configured with optimal tests as default |
| 12:46.51 | sunkan | Dmitrijus: Did a few quick checks and I think I have many packages up2date on USB, downloaded it yesterday. |
| 12:46.59 | Dmitrijus | sunkan: well, so, just add cdrom-somethign sources to a mounted iso, should work, i guess |
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| 12:48.25 | sunkan | Dmitrijus: I will try as you first suggested, will probably mean some packages will be updated twice.. But I will probably save some time on the downloading.. Thanks for the ideas |
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| 12:50.07 | cassavuota | hi all |
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| 12:51.24 | faultyRAM | ok so i'll run the default tests and if it passes 'em it means that those were software problems and the ram is OK |
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| 12:52.50 | adityamenon | good evening all |
| 12:53.02 | adityamenon | I'm slightly confused about the concept of SSH |
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| 12:53.25 | adityamenon | I understand that the public key and private key I generated work together like a password |
| 12:53.36 | nevyn | not really but continue |
| 12:53.48 | adityamenon | the information in the private key somehow interacts with the public key and I get to login to my account |
| 12:54.19 | adityamenon | now, I'm creating a server on one computer - but I also have to use this ssh from a different place |
| 12:54.37 | nevyn | ssh private keys should never be on "servers" |
| 12:54.39 | nevyn | imho |
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| 12:54.54 | adityamenon | yes, I'm not storing the private key on the server |
| 12:55.10 | nevyn | uok. |
| 12:55.12 | adityamenon | I have the private key on the current computer and the id_rsa.pub on the server |
| 12:55.19 | nevyn | yep |
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| 12:55.38 | adityamenon | when I try to issue an ssh from the other computer, will it ask me for the private key? if it does, do I simply copy over this private key on to that? |
| 12:55.44 | nevyn | it should be in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:55.59 | nevyn | so there's a couple of ways to solve that problem |
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| 12:56.22 | nevyn | you could generate another key on the other computer |
| 12:56.23 | adityamenon | what about if I want to give access to the current user to another person, is it good practice to share private keys, even between employee-employer, friends, family etc.? |
| 12:56.31 | nevyn | nope |
| 12:56.31 | adityamenon | ah... okay |
| 12:56.48 | DusteD | adityamenon, the other way around |
| 12:57.01 | DusteD | they give you their PUBLIC key, which you add to your authorized_keys file |
| 12:57.22 | adityamenon | won't their public key also be called id_rsa.pub |
| 12:57.27 | nevyn | yes |
| 12:57.27 | DusteD | then they can login as your user, without you giving them your password (however, be aware, that they can ofcause change your password) |
| 12:57.40 | nevyn | but you shouldn't really share accounts |
| 12:57.54 | DusteD | adityamenon, there are two files, the .pub can be shared, and nevyn is right, in most cases accounts should not be shared |
| 12:57.57 | nevyn | (ignoring things like gitolite where there's a access control system in place) |
| 12:58.02 | frostschutz | adityamenon: for ssh you might even want to consider giving each machine its own private key. this way if one of your boxes gets compromised or stolen, you can remove access for its private key only, and leave your other keys intact |
| 12:58.22 | frostschutz | adityamenon: so you dont share private keys even with your own machines |
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| 12:58.59 | DusteD | it is also possible to restrict which kind of command each key can run |
| 12:59.17 | adityamenon | frostschutz, DusteD thank you for sharing tips on best practices - I will keep them in mind; but let's say I'm going to be the foolish user who just solves the immediate problem |
| 12:59.46 | adityamenon | the person I have to share this account with.... might think I'm hiding something if I create another account for them |
| 12:59.59 | adityamenon | that's a personal issue, and I need a technical solution :( |
| 13:00.07 | DusteD | If they can't trust you, can you trust them? |
| 13:00.11 | adityamenon | :D |
| 13:00.14 | adityamenon | so, I share this public key with that user |
| 13:00.22 | nevyn | no.. |
| 13:00.27 | frostschutz | adityamenon: it might be okay to have the same account for something (like a webmaster account), but give each person their own key anyway |
| 13:00.53 | nevyn | frostschutz: booo login to personal account and access shared accounts via sudo. |
| 13:00.54 | DusteD | you need his public key to allow him access to your account, he needs your public key to allow you access to his account |
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| 13:02.18 | adityamenon | DusteD, so the public *and* private keys *have* to be different |
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| 13:02.25 | PhoenixSTF | can I make a deb package without the source code? |
| 13:02.35 | DusteD | adityamenon, they ARE different you can't make them the same, that will not work |
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| 13:02.51 | adityamenon | frankly, I'm on a windows box, and I don't even remember what I did to create these keys, sorry for being so thick |
| 13:02.59 | DusteD | you are generating a key-pair which have a public and private part = two files, the public part has the same name but with .pub appended to the name |
| 13:03.01 | adityamenon | it involved putty :D |
| 13:03.04 | frostschutz | nevyn: I have one project box which sets SUDO_USER="name" environment variable for each users key in authorized_keys. so users can log in directly as the shared user through ssh anyways |
| 13:03.05 | nevyn | adityamenon: so on windows client you should use puttygen |
| 13:03.13 | adityamenon | ah yes that one\ |
| 13:03.26 | nevyn | adityamenon: also pagent |
| 13:03.59 | DusteD | we should have a keypair generated at birth and the public part printed in our foreheads as a qr code, makes admins life easier. |
| 13:04.09 | adityamenon | very well... I have a pair called id_rsa & id_rsa.pub - if I were to rename them to key1.pub and key1 they will work? |
| 13:04.24 | adityamenon | (I also do this renaming on the server |
| 13:04.41 | DusteD | the server only has the .pub part |
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| 13:04.47 | adityamenon | yes |
| 13:04.48 | DusteD | in it's autorized_keys file |
| 13:04.51 | adityamenon | yes |
| 13:05.02 | DusteD | it's not a file on itself, so you can't really rename anything on the server, and you don't need to |
| 13:05.08 | adityamenon | ! |
| 13:05.16 | DusteD | you just need to tell your ssh client (putty) to use the new filename |
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| 13:05.30 | nevyn | no use pagent |
| 13:05.31 | DusteD | and it will work fine, the content of those files are not related to their names |
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| 13:05.42 | adityamenon | oh my this is way different from what I thought :) |
| 13:07.06 | nevyn | adityamenon: so here's how it doesn't work but it's a reasonable working aproximation |
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| 13:07.39 | nevyn | when you try to connect to the server. your ssh client says I've got a key... |
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| 13:08.07 | adityamenon | all ears... |
| 13:08.30 | nevyn | and the server says "here's a challenge based on the public half of the key you claim to have" |
| 13:08.42 | adityamenon | one sec nevyn tiny question |
| 13:08.49 | adityamenon | how does the client know "I've got a key" |
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| 13:08.54 | adityamenon | I'm using MobaXTerm |
| 13:08.57 | adityamenon | and the ssh command |
| 13:09.01 | adityamenon | does it detect that .ssh dir |
| 13:09.15 | adityamenon | and the files present in it? |
| 13:09.15 | DusteD | adityamenon, your ssh client was putty right? |
| 13:09.32 | adityamenon | no, I used that a while ago to just generate the key |
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| 13:09.45 | adityamenon | I found the interface and options... intimidating - the command is simpler |
| 13:10.12 | adityamenon | somehow the whole thing worked... is the key heavily dependant on the client program? |
| 13:10.21 | DusteD | no |
| 13:10.26 | adityamenon | very good |
| 13:10.27 | nevyn | ish. |
| 13:10.35 | nevyn | so the key data isn't |
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| 13:10.53 | DusteD | listen to nevyn he knows what hes talking about, I'm afk |
| 13:11.05 | nevyn | but the way putty's stuff works for keys and openssh's commandline works for keys are quite different |
| 13:11.23 | nevyn | putty's suite has puttygen pagent and plink |
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| 13:11.46 | adityamenon | on windows, when I type `ssh blah blah blah` am I using openssh? |
| 13:11.49 | nevyn | openssh has ssh-keygen ssh-agent&ssh-add |
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| 13:11.55 | nevyn | adityamenon: is it on windows |
| 13:12.03 | adityamenon | I'm using Windows locally yes |
| 13:12.07 | adityamenon | the server is debian 6 |
| 13:12.26 | nevyn | ok it looks like a port of openssh |
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| 13:13.27 | adityamenon | okay... |
| 13:13.37 | nevyn | adityamenon: mobaxterm is a port of a bunch of stuff to windows afaict |
| 13:13.56 | nevyn | adityamenon: can you run ssh-add -l in a mobaxterm ? |
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| 13:14.35 | adityamenon | "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent" |
| 13:14.45 | nevyn | ah crud |
| 13:14.51 | adityamenon | ssh also works on "cmd" |
| 13:14.55 | adityamenon | windows command line\ |
| 13:15.08 | adityamenon | and MobaXterm is not 'installed' but running as a portable on this computer |
| 13:15.12 | nevyn | so an ssh-agent is like a wallet that holds your ssh-key |
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| 13:15.38 | nevyn | so you don't need to unlock it with your passphase every time you want to use it. |
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| 13:16.16 | adityamenon | so I'm saying there might be 'native' support for ssh on windows, but so sorry to derail your tutorial kindly continue |
| 13:16.28 | adityamenon | okay |
| 13:16.43 | nevyn | there definitly isn't native ssh on windows |
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| 13:16.53 | themill | you can get openssh for windows |
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| 13:16.57 | nevyn | it'll be the mobixterm binary that's mapped into your path |
| 13:17.02 | adityamenon | ah... I also installed mysisgit |
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| 13:17.17 | adityamenon | maybe that brought something in... |
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| 13:17.21 | nevyn | oh msysgit includes it |
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| 13:17.41 | adityamenon | haha sorry about the misspeliing |
| 13:17.43 | nevyn | but I find putty on windows much much more sane. |
| 13:17.53 | adityamenon | okay... |
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| 13:18.27 | adityamenon | I am only a bit 'taken' by the GUI file browser on the right I get with Moba |
| 13:18.43 | adityamenon | but I'll make it a point to use Putty from now |
| 13:18.45 | DusteD | adityamenon, winscp can do that |
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| 13:19.01 | adityamenon | I also have... winscp... but isn't that GUI only? |
| 13:19.20 | adityamenon | you guys make me realize that I have a soup of stuff on my system... |
| 13:19.20 | DusteD | adityamenon, it's a gui file transfer client |
| 13:19.45 | DusteD | my tools when I have the misfortune of using windows, are winscp and putty |
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| 13:19.55 | adityamenon | ah.. as a combination |
| 13:19.58 | nevyn | bleh pscp |
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| 13:20.02 | nevyn | ftw |
| 13:20.08 | nevyn | and plink |
| 13:20.13 | adityamenon | putty for commands, winscp for the gui |
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| 13:20.29 | nevyn | plink for git as well |
| 13:20.37 | DusteD | putty for using the machine, winscp for transferring files to it |
| 13:20.39 | nevyn | so msysgit can be configured to use plink |
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| 13:20.50 | nevyn | which means it can use the key stored in pagent |
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| 13:21.22 | adityamenon | nevyn, pagent operates with keys that are independent of what's is C:/Users/xxx/.ssh/ ? |
| 13:21.35 | adityamenon | or do you mean it stores the filenames of the keys, etc |
| 13:22.00 | BtbN | it just a ssh agent for windows |
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| 13:22.18 | adityamenon | okay... so it's a wallet |
| 13:22.31 | adityamenon | and I was using the key will all sorts of wallets on my computer |
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| 13:23.36 | adityamenon | <nevyn> and the server says "here's a challenge based on the public half of the key you claim to have" |
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| 13:24.00 | adityamenon | unless I have the public and private keys with me, I can't solve the challenge? |
| 13:24.37 | boudiccas | i'm trying to write a script in bash under squeeze to output the date and the ip route to a txt file, this is the line that does it .... { date ifconfig.me; curl ifconfig.me; } >>/home/boztu/cron/ip.txt ...but it fails and says ........date: invalid date `ifconfig.me' .... can anybody help me get it working please? |
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| 13:24.46 | nevyn | unless you have the private key you can't solve it no |
| 13:25.19 | adityamenon | okay\ |
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| 13:25.25 | dvs | nevyn: brute force solves everything. :-> |
| 13:25.42 | nevyn | heh |
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| 13:26.28 | adityamenon | nevyn, this means, if I copy over the public and private keys to the offending computer and run ssh from *that*, I should be able to login? |
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| 13:26.46 | nevyn | you don't need the public key |
| 13:26.55 | nevyn | anywhere but on the system you're sshing to |
| 13:27.16 | adityamenon | okay, so I can delete as soon as I generate and upload? |
| 13:27.19 | adityamenon | very well |
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| 13:28.21 | adityamenon | so if I were to share this private key, I can login (grins evilly) - but yes, I realize that's as bad a solution as infected bandaid |
| 13:28.21 | boudiccas | this is the full script http://dpaste.com/775163/ |
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| 13:29.01 | adityamenon | so, there is no easy way other than sharing of private keys, because the standard is to not share account access |
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| 13:32.53 | DusteD | I can not phantom what it is you achieve from copying the private keys to another computer instead of simply generating a new keypair on that machine and then adding it to the authorized_keys file |
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| 13:33.19 | boudiccas | how can i view man pages in konqueror please? i've tried 'man date' under a new tab but its failing saying 'protocol not supported' |
| 13:33.33 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: try "man:date" |
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| 13:38.01 | |rapidsp| | whats repo to install openssl? |
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| 13:38.13 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: huh? |
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| 13:39.10 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: thought it was konqueror that used ":" instead of spaces, but I might be wrong... |
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| 13:40.19 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: sorry, it ddint work |
| 13:40.45 | bwf | d |
| 13:40.47 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: could be an extra kio module - search for "kio" in package descriptions |
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| 13:42.47 | themill | kdebase-runtime contains kio_man; I can't imagine you don't have that installed |
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| 13:44.33 | oznt | hi everyone |
| 13:44.48 | boudiccas | got it sorted by reading the man page in a terminal, i need 'date $f' |
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| 13:45.26 | oznt | how do I install files that are showing in the warning "--list-missing" when running dh_install ? |
| 13:47.00 | |rapidsp| | how to add more repos? |
| 13:47.54 | boudiccas | rapids; sudo leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list and then just add your lines and save |
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| 13:49.05 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: its ok, but i dont know repos for main packages such openssl, pam-pkcs.... etc... |
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| 13:49.55 | boudiccas | rapidsb; try this in your text window... /msg judd versions foobar ..... where foobar is your program title |
| 13:50.53 | |rapidsp| | ok |
| 13:51.09 | boudiccas | rapidsb; alternatively just try sudo apt-get install foobar |
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| 13:51.38 | |rapidsp| | it doesnt work |
| 13:51.54 | boudiccas | i gave you two solutions, what doesnt work? |
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| 13:52.46 | diverdude | Are there any PPA for boost 1.5? |
| 13:53.07 | boudiccas | diverdude: we dont use ppa, thats just ubuntu |
| 13:53.47 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: both :) |
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| 13:54.49 | boudiccas | rapidsb; okay, please put into www.dpaste.com the command and the error message it created |
| 13:55.07 | boudiccas | and then tell us hwta the url is |
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| 13:55.11 | boudiccas | what |
| 13:57.24 | boudiccas | damned fat fingers! the correct url is http://dpaste.com/ |
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| 13:58.26 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: http://dpaste.com/775174/ |
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| 13:58.48 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: sorry, Russian with google translation |
| 13:58.59 | hanibana | Hi, what mail client utility can I use to get my unread mails from my IMAP server in a one line command? |
| 13:59.12 | oznt | anyone here competent with building a deb? |
| 13:59.42 | boudiccas | rapidsb; what version of debian are you running? lenny? |
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| 14:01.16 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: this is custom image for thin client |
| 14:01.18 | |rapidsp| | Linux depo 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:01.39 | |rapidsp| | i think 6.0.x |
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| 14:02.22 | boudiccas | rapidsp; what does cat /etc/debian_version show please? |
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| 14:04.16 | adityamenon | "<DusteD> I can not phantom what it is you achieve from copying the private keys to another computer instead of simply generating a new keypair on that machine and then adding it to the authorized_keys file" |
| 14:04.58 | adityamenon | I'm sorry to frustrate |
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| 14:05.13 | rsr | hello |
| 14:05.22 | adityamenon | now, if I were to generate a key pair on another computer, will it also be named id_rsa.pub and id_rsa? |
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| 14:05.39 | boudiccas | rapidsp; k, thanks. sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get install foobar try with another program as openssl is probably already installed |
| 14:05.45 | adityamenon | if so, when I copy that new public key to the server, won't it replace the one from the previous machine? |
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| 14:06.19 | adityamenon | to prevent this, can I rename the key file names on the new pair, and still be able to work? |
| 14:06.44 | rsr | I am configuring multiple virtual network interfaces inside the file "/etc/network/interfaces" I would like to know if I need to add the broadcast address to each one? |
| 14:06.46 | boudiccas | rapidsp; you also ought to do a sudo apt-get upgrade to bring you up to 6.0.5 which is the current release for stable |
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| 14:07.48 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: after update it installs :) |
| 14:08.13 | SiDz | how can i confirm that amavis is really working with clamav? someone send me a mail with XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X in and amavis let it pass |
| 14:08.14 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/180623/ |
| 14:08.15 | boudiccas | rapidsp; okay, a result! :) |
| 14:08.15 | |rapidsp| | but i ucomment lines like ftp.debian.... |
| 14:08.25 | |rapidsp| | *uncomment |
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| 14:08.42 | |rapidsp| | boudiccas: thanks :) |
| 14:08.45 | boudiccas | yes, just another source and mirror |
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| 14:08.56 | boudiccas | rapidsp; no problem :) |
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| 14:10.02 | jelly | SiDz: GTUBE is an antispam test, not an antivirus test. You want EICAR for antiviruses. |
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| 14:11.33 | jelly | echo -n '5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*' > eicar.com; echo test | mutt -s w00t -a eicar.com -- recipient@example.org |
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| 14:32.07 | UltraMC_2 | How to give a user permission to use gnome-system-monitor? |
| 14:32.19 | UltraMC_2 | gnome-system-monitor |
| 14:32.19 | UltraMC_2 | ** (gnome-system-monitor:644): WARNING **: SELinux was found but is not enabled. |
| 14:32.19 | UltraMC_2 | glibtop: open (/proc/vmstat): Permission denied |
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| 14:33.32 | boudiccas | UltraMC; sudo gnome-system-monitor |
| 14:33.52 | ksk | UltraMC_2: a user should be able to read /proc/vmstat |
| 14:34.02 | UltraMC_2 | ty |
| 14:34.25 | UltraMC_2 | Btw everyone Ive got VNC gnome working :D |
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| 14:41.53 | yac | how can i list installed packages from specific archive? |
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| 14:44.43 | karlpinc | yac: The aptitude docs (in html form in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude....) describe the query syntax. You could also look at backports.debian.org faq, I think they have an example for their repos that you should be able to adapt. |
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| 14:45.26 | karlpinc | yac: I'm sure there's a dpkg factoid too, but I don't know it. |
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| 14:53.51 | themill | yac: which specific archives are you interested in? It depends on what they've got in their Release file as to whether you can distinguish them easily. |
| 14:53.59 | themill | (that said, /msg dpkg which repo) |
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| 14:59.03 | yac | themill: karlpinc thanks guys |
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| 15:12.30 | _ramok1 | hi |
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| 15:12.40 | pc_magas | Hi |
| 15:12.43 | bwf | hey |
| 15:12.57 | _ramok1 | i've got an wildcard certificate from godaddy. i get a chain file gd_company.crt and another file my_company.crt |
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| 15:13.01 | pc_magas | When I connect to phpmyadmin via ssl I get error 400from apache |
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| 15:13.08 | _ramok1 | i guess my_company.crt is my private key |
| 15:13.13 | _ramok1 | how can i get my public key ? |
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| 15:13.46 | pc_magas | _ramok1, I do non know I also have probs with keys and phpmyadmin |
| 15:13.51 | pc_magas | not* |
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| 15:20.23 | teonanacatl | hi. i get an error when trying to install libsqlite3-dev on Debian 6.0.5: libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.3-1) but 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
| 15:20.28 | teonanacatl | any ideas what i can do? |
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| 15:22.43 | nsadmin | teonanacatl, curious, do you need the backported version? |
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| 15:24.16 | UltraMC_2 | How to set ownership of a dir for an user? |
| 15:24.40 | teonanacatl | i'd just like to install libsqlite3-dev. that's all. but i guess my problem is related to plesk. |
| 15:25.29 | nsadmin | UltraMC_2, man chown |
| 15:25.36 | UltraMC_2 | ty |
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| 15:26.23 | teonanacatl | i force-removed libsqlit3-0 - if i try to reinstall it now, apt wants to remove all the plesk-panel-stuff (and more). |
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| 15:27.36 | nsadmin | if you do need the backported version, try aptitude install -t squeeze-backports libsqlite3-dev libsqlite3-0 |
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| 15:28.27 | nsadmin | teonanacatl, when you tried to reinstall after force remove, what version did it try to install? |
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| 15:29.04 | nsadmin | the plesk stuff came from backports too? |
| 15:29.10 | teonanacatl | you're right - the backported version was installed. at least it's consistent again, thanks |
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| 15:29.17 | teonanacatl | i don't know |
| 15:29.18 | nitzs | Is wikipedia being DOS'd? |
| 15:29.39 | teonanacatl | nsadmin, how can i find out? |
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| 15:30.26 | nsadmin | teonanacatl, I would have thought the putput pf aptitude when you rirst tried to reinstall would have told you |
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| 15:37.43 | djdduty | lol, I bonked my system |
| 15:37.54 | djdduty | first of all, windows has three entries in grub http://pastebin.com/bmy3uzcM |
| 15:38.04 | djdduty | and windows will not boot after installing debian :( |
| 15:38.12 | djdduty | anyone run across this? |
| 15:38.19 | Calinou | djdduty, are you on a computer with UEFI? |
| 15:38.24 | djdduty | I assume the first win7 loader is boot loader, second is files |
| 15:38.26 | Calinou | (pretty much any computer from 2011-2012 has UEFI) |
| 15:38.50 | djdduty | so yes |
| 15:38.52 | djdduty | just bought this |
| 15:38.55 | djdduty | laptop |
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| 15:39.11 | djdduty | first thing I did was install debian in another partition |
| 15:39.24 | Calinou | obviously... |
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| 15:39.28 | Calinou | GRUB doesn't fully support UEFI |
| 15:39.31 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Huzzuh, I got the free drivers to work. |
| 15:39.31 | Calinou | so you might be out of luck |
| 15:39.38 | Calinou | Rosenzweig|Deb, on AMD? *applauses* |
| 15:39.39 | djdduty | and I noticed debian installed on an extended partition before the win 7 recovery, so I would understand if recovery is broken but why the other stuff? :O |
| 15:39.42 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Yup. |
| 15:39.47 | djdduty | ah, shit :( |
| 15:39.55 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I just had to reinstall firmware-linux. |
| 15:40.05 | djdduty | hmm, if I remove debian and grub do you think win7 bootloader will work again? |
| 15:40.08 | Calinou | djdduty, maybe someone will help... stay around |
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| 15:40.23 | Rosenzweig|Deb | djdduty, can't you just include Windows 7 in grub2? |
| 15:40.31 | djdduty | having win7 on this laptop is kind of important, more important than having linux |
| 15:40.33 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I hate how grub2 likes to always remove my Windows 7 entry. |
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| 15:40.53 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Well yeah, but you can just edit the grublist or what ever it's called. |
| 15:40.56 | djdduty | Rosenzweig|Deb: I have three entries for win in grub, you joined the conversation a tad bit late |
| 15:41.03 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Crap. |
| 15:41.06 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Sorry then. |
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| 15:41.10 | nsadmin | Rosenzweig|Deb, rly? for 3d? |
| 15:41.10 | djdduty | :P |
| 15:41.26 | djdduty | =/ |
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| 15:41.35 | djdduty | I probably screwed things up by installing debian. |
| 15:41.44 | djdduty | so even if I remove it it's just a waste of time |
| 15:41.59 | Rosenzweig|Deb | What happens with your entires? |
| 15:42.01 | Rosenzweig|Deb | entries* |
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| 15:42.07 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Like, when you use them? |
| 15:42.18 | djdduty | and I do not feel like re-installing windows, I never made an image and it'd be a pain, also some files that I need, but I suppose I can get them from the partition by mounting it |
| 15:42.24 | djdduty | Rosenzweig|Deb: windows will not boot |
| 15:42.34 | djdduty | Rosenzweig|Deb: apparently a UEFI problem |
| 15:42.47 | themill | djdduty: there's no evidence that is the case |
| 15:43.13 | djdduty | themill: how does one find out? |
| 15:43.15 | nitzs | djdduty: if you have the windows disk, you can repair the bootloader. |
| 15:43.29 | djdduty | nitzs: I can make a repair disk |
| 15:43.35 | themill | djdduty: if you've already got the debian installer to boot, then it's uefi |
| 15:43.39 | djdduty | unfortunately not until I get home, though |
| 15:43.50 | sney | themill: not? |
| 15:43.50 | themill | djdduty: err... if you've already got the debian installer to boot, then it's not a uefi problem |
| 15:43.50 | djdduty | themill: I am in debian atm |
| 15:44.01 | djdduty | hmm |
| 15:44.21 | djdduty | I am on the laptop at the moment |
| 15:44.22 | themill | the point of uefi is that you can't shove random boot media into a machine and then own it |
| 15:44.23 | djdduty | using it |
| 15:44.28 | djdduty | on debian |
| 15:44.29 | nitzs | djdduty: post the output of /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 15:44.41 | nitzs | *contents |
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| 15:45.20 | djdduty | shit, whats the command to copy a file's contents to clipboard again? |
| 15:45.30 | djdduty | I remember github has it in the tutorial thingy now |
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| 15:46.36 | nitzs | djdduty: select all text and middle click to paste |
| 15:46.40 | metaphysician | AFAIK os-prober identifies windows systems, install the package and run update-grub2 to automatically add windows entries. Dont know about UEFI, though. |
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| 15:47.15 | Rosenzweig|Deb | It's so easy to link libraries with linux. |
| 15:47.18 | sney | metaphysician: it seems like os-prober is already doing its job |
| 15:47.29 | Rosenzweig|Deb | You simply get them off the repository and attach a -flag to the compiler. |
| 15:47.32 | Rosenzweig|Deb | DONE AND DONE. |
| 15:47.52 | djdduty | http://pastebin.com/4sPxS0eg |
| 15:48.06 | djdduty | Rosenzweig|Deb: the -llibname ? |
| 15:48.10 | djdduty | I love it :) |
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| 15:48.13 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Yep. |
| 15:48.23 | djdduty | but then again, I use cmake anyways |
| 15:48.36 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I don't mess with cmake unless I have to. |
| 15:48.39 | djdduty | generate makefile, or generate project files (on windows) so it doesn't matter to me. |
| 15:48.57 | djdduty | cmake, then make, and done, so easy |
| 15:49.08 | sney | djdduty: this is an OEM windows install, right? from whoever made the laptop? |
| 15:49.09 | djdduty | nitzs: link is above, by the way. |
| 15:49.15 | djdduty | sney: yes |
| 15:49.30 | djdduty | it's a toshiba laptop |
| 15:49.35 | sney | well, that does at least partly explain why it's weird |
| 15:49.41 | djdduty | got it because it had nice specs, for a low price. |
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| 15:50.03 | sney | I suspect that the windows disk's 'fixboot' function will return the windows bootloader to a more normal state |
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| 15:50.18 | djdduty | only $700 usd and it has 12 gb of ram, i7 processor, unfortunately only intel graphics, but still good. |
| 15:50.27 | sney | since os-prober detected a bootloader on all 3 windows partitions, it seems like toshiba did something silly |
| 15:50.37 | djdduty | sney: and which loader should I try, sda1 or sda2? |
| 15:50.39 | sney | yeah, I have no beef with toshiba laptops, I used to do warranty service on them |
| 15:50.47 | sney | sda1 is most likely the real loader partition |
| 15:50.53 | djdduty | looking at the partition data, sda1 looks like win bootloader |
| 15:51.15 | djdduty | gotta make a disk then, I guess |
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| 15:51.32 | djdduty | except I don't think recovery cd's have command prompt anymore... |
| 15:51.40 | sney | oh, they do |
| 15:51.41 | djdduty | last I tried, I found one but it had to fixboot |
| 15:51.57 | sney | hrm that's weird, maybe there's a bartPE or something that has it |
| 15:52.00 | nitzs | djdduty: your file looks alright. i'm not sure what's messing with the windows boot though. |
| 15:52.15 | vhari123 | Can we ask about Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on this channel? |
| 15:52.24 | sney | vhari123: yes |
| 15:52.32 | djdduty | nitzs: hmmm |
| 15:52.44 | sney | vhari123: though #debian-kbsd might know more depending on your issue |
| 15:52.48 | djdduty | well, I can look at where it crashes and see if I cannot diagnose it more =/ |
| 15:52.50 | geggam | always thought the first step to fixing a PC was getting windows off of it |
| 15:52.51 | djdduty | I will try fixboot |
| 15:53.04 | djdduty | and judging by my nick being djdduty someone shut off my computer at home... |
| 15:53.06 | djdduty | -.- |
| 15:53.12 | vhari123 | sney: that channel is empty now. |
| 15:53.13 | djdduty | djdduty_: then again, you are here |
| 15:53.32 | djdduty | oh, djdduty_ is my home computer. |
| 15:54.06 | vhari123 | I was wondering whether xorg-wacom drivers and USB video webcam works on kFreeBSD same as in Linux. |
| 15:56.09 | sney | vhari123: oops, #debian-kbsd is on irc.debian.org. |
| 15:56.52 | djdduty_ | hooray for remote pc archetypes! |
| 15:57.18 | vhari123 | thanks. |
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| 15:58.05 | djdduty_ | to bad I cannot make a disc from here... |
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| 15:58.17 | djdduty_ | I don't even think I can make a win 7 recovery disc iso |
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| 15:59.19 | vhari123 | sney, I have connected to that channel. It appears to be unpopulated at the present. |
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| 16:00.42 | sney | vhari123: this one? 09:56] #debian-kbsd 48 http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ | http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ | debian-bsd@lists.debian.org | kfreebsd bugs: http://deb.li/3xpVg | "dchroot sid" does not work? Use "dchroot -c sid" | Locked: io (kfreebsd-i386), see http://deb.li/3lfjj |
| 16:01.37 | sney | vhari123: anyway, driver support is a kernel thing so you're better off asking kfreebsd users or looking it up, but my guess is that they are not as well supported in kbsd as in linux |
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| 16:02.09 | vhari123 | sney: thanks. |
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| 16:05.38 | vhari123 | Hmm... it appears that I joined the server irc.debian.net automatically redirects to OFTC server. |
| 16:05.49 | vhari123 | on xchat |
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| 16:06.39 | hasdf | is it possible to create a luks with partitions from different devices? |
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| 16:08.47 | hasdf | I need to outsource the home partition and I don't want to type in two passphrases when i start the PC |
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| 16:14.32 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Do the free drivers not support GLSL version 130? |
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| 16:16.57 | erchache2000 | any book to learn linux? |
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| 16:20.18 | FriendlySeal | hai |
| 16:20.26 | FriendlySeal | wats the best way to install vim colors |
| 16:20.28 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Hello. |
| 16:20.29 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Um. |
| 16:20.43 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Not sure. |
| 16:20.47 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I use emacs. :) |
| 16:20.51 | FriendlySeal | eww |
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| 16:20.59 | FriendlySeal | wat r u a caveman |
| 16:21.07 | Rosenzweig|Deb | No, a Gnu user. |
| 16:21.15 | FriendlySeal | i mean caveboy |
| 16:21.29 | nyuszika7h | How can I change the comment of SSH host keys? |
| 16:21.37 | nyuszika7h | FriendlySeal: You mean syntax highlihting? |
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| 16:21.40 | nyuszika7h | * highlighting |
| 16:22.22 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Seriously though. |
| 16:22.29 | Rosenzweig|Deb | These opengl free drivers. |
| 16:22.40 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Only support GLSL 120. Dang. |
| 16:22.41 | Rosenzweig|Deb | :( |
| 16:22.51 | Rosenzweig|Deb | All the tutorials I have used did #130 or #330. |
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| 16:23.51 | nukeblitz | Quick question. What is foomatic? Do I need it on a wheezy system |
| 16:24.01 | Calinou | <Rosenzweig|Deb> I use emacs. :) |
| 16:24.03 | Calinou | sucks :p |
| 16:24.13 | Calinou | nukeblitz, /msg dpkg foomatic |
| 16:24.14 | FriendlySeal | how do i do syntax highliting for all users |
| 16:24.21 | FriendlySeal | i kno i tried it before that didnt work |
| 16:24.29 | FriendlySeal | so i jus did it for each user |
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| 16:25.27 | nyuszika7h | FriendlySeal: echo 'syntax on' >> /usr/share/vim/vimcurrent/debian.vim |
| 16:25.27 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Calinou, if it sucks, then why do you use it? |
| 16:25.44 | nyuszika7h | How can I change the comment of SSH host keys? :/ |
| 16:25.51 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: Shouldn't that go in ~/.vimrc? |
| 16:26.01 | FriendlySeal | i want for all users |
| 16:26.02 | nyuszika7h | jhutchins_wk: Have you even read his/her question? |
| 16:26.08 | nyuszika7h | 18:24:14 FriendlySeal | how do i do syntax highliting for ALL USERS |
| 16:26.12 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: Text editor. |
| 16:26.14 | FriendlySeal | lol |
| 16:26.19 | FriendlySeal | ~!~ |
| 16:26.25 | nyuszika7h | jhutchins_wk: Are you sure? |
| 16:26.38 | nyuszika7h | Last time I edited my RSA public key's comment with a text editor it stopped working. |
| 16:26.42 | nyuszika7h | ("invalid key file") |
| 16:26.43 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: Yeah, but iirc it changes the key's fingerprint. |
| 16:27.21 | jhutchins_wk | FriendlySeal: That would be /etc/vimrc then for all users. |
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| 16:27.31 | FriendlySeal | ok |
| 16:27.32 | nyuszika7h | jhutchins_wk: No! |
| 16:27.36 | nyuszika7h | You aren't supposed to edit /etc/vimrc |
| 16:27.40 | nyuszika7h | And it's /etc/vim/vimrc |
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| 16:27.54 | FriendlySeal | i did a search for all vimrc |
| 16:27.54 | nyuszika7h | Oh wait |
| 16:27.57 | nyuszika7h | I'm stupid |
| 16:28.05 | nyuszika7h | You _are_ supposed to edit /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 16:28.06 | nyuszika7h | Sorry, my bad. |
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| 16:28.42 | ansgar | nyuszika7h: And one is not supposed to edit files under /usr/share. |
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| 16:28.52 | FriendlySeal | done |
| 16:29.44 | Calinou | Rosenzweig|Deb, I don't use emacs, I use gedit/nano |
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| 16:29.58 | nyuszika7h | vim ftw |
| 16:31.14 | FriendlySeal | ok now on the ls colors |
| 16:31.16 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: I don't know of a way to alter a key or certificate. I know you can't change the password, you have to regenerate the key. |
| 16:31.17 | FriendlySeal | HAU |
| 16:31.53 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: You can establish new connections with the key, but connections that had previously accepted the key are going to get a different fingerprint and reject it. |
| 16:32.16 | nyuszika7h | Ok |
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| 16:33.26 | jhutchins_wk | We really need to re-key our entire network. The "master" key from the management server is from a previous admin's laptop, and he probably has a copy. |
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| 16:36.40 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Could someone confirm something with me with the free drivers? |
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| 16:38.21 | FriendlySeal | which bashrc i edir |
| 16:38.26 | FriendlySeal | for ls colors |
| 16:38.29 | FriendlySeal | for all users |
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| 16:38.52 | FriendlySeal | i made a /etc/profile.d/custom.sh for a shel color |
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| 16:39.52 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I use leet hacker colors for my console. |
| 16:39.55 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Green on top of black. |
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| 16:40.58 | JPSartre | Is there an open source SSL VPN packake that works well wiht Debian and cna compete with Sonicwall's SSL VPN software? |
| 16:41.11 | jordanm | JPSartre: openvpn |
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| 16:41.39 | mhoney | buy a mikrotik |
| 16:41.55 | Armageddon | there was a debian website which identifies drivers, does anyone have it ? |
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| 16:42.38 | JPSartre | jordarm you would not fear to use that openvpn side-by side wiht sonicwall in a test for say 50 users? |
| 16:43.05 | mhoney | or use something like ipcop or pfsense |
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| 16:43.40 | jordanm | JPSartre: I would be more trusting of openvpn that low-end proprietary device like a sonicwall |
| 16:43.44 | ahwan | does any experienced man want to give some suggestion to a student ? pm me. |
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| 16:44.10 | boudiccas | ahwan: stop being so sexist, its not necessary |
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| 16:44.55 | JPSartre | I shall intergate a system using it then and go from there. |
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| 16:55.18 | cwickert | where can I find lenny backport packages? |
| 16:55.33 | cwickert | disclaimer: yes, I know lenny is no longer supported |
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| 16:56.35 | cwickert | found them |
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| 16:58.05 | int_64` | hello, I hjave a q2uestion about CREATING .deb packages. I have one that I created, and in the postinst script, I need to actually use apt-get to install a few other things...this doesn't work of course because of a lock. |
| 16:58.11 | int_64` | What is the proper way to get around this? |
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| 17:01.24 | thewanderer1 | int_64`: don't call apt-get in postinst scripts |
| 17:01.48 | jordanm | int_64`: your package needs to depend on those other packages |
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| 17:01.58 | int_64` | thewanderer1, yes I know, its not possible |
| 17:02.06 | int_64` | but Im not sure how else to install those dependencies |
| 17:02.27 | jordanm | int_64`: in debian/control, use the Depends: field |
| 17:02.30 | int_64` | jordanm, thanks, but, dpkg wont automatically install them if missing |
| 17:02.51 | jordanm | int_64`: no, but an apt-get install -f will after |
| 17:03.00 | int_64` | ah, ok let me check that |
| 17:03.01 | jordanm | as long as they are depends, and not pre-depends |
| 17:03.01 | int_64` | thanks |
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| 17:03.23 | djduty | Well fixboot didn't work. |
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| 17:05.33 | djduty | Hmm, should I just reinstall windows on another partition and see if that works? |
| 17:05.48 | jordanm | ask ##windows? |
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| 17:14.15 | FriendlySeal | i had to delete it |
| 17:14.59 | jhutchins_wk | djduty: Why not have grub load windows? |
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| 17:19.09 | sample64 | !list |
| 17:19.09 | dpkg | sample64: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 17:22.32 | thewanderer1 | johndoe: mlocate... locate should just be a link to mlocate if the latter is installed, anyway |
| 17:22.52 | johndoe | i installed locate :> |
| 17:22.55 | jordanm | johndoe: the package description for mlocate describes its advantages over the older locate |
| 17:23.05 | johndoe | it beats me why locate is still available |
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| 17:25.04 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 17:25.12 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who owns a raspberry? |
| 17:25.16 | HardDisk_WP | i put raspbian on the sd card |
| 17:25.18 | HardDisk_WP | works fine so far |
| 17:25.20 | HardDisk_WP | but omxplayer doesnt play any movies |
| 17:25.36 | jordanm | !tell HardDisk_WP about based on debian |
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| 17:29.59 | Slydder | a few years ago I ran across a way that I could watch how apache interprets the rewrite rules as visitors hit the site and now I can't find it anymore. does anyone here know how that works? |
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| 17:55.32 | sioux_ | hi, i installed vlan and type modprobe 8021q, vconfig eth1 10, ifconfig eth1.10 172.16.1.2 and vconfig set_flag 1. i try this in 2 linux debian changing just ip´s. I can ping this address just in thoses linux computers. When i try ping with another computer i can´t. |
| 17:56.06 | sioux_ | in ip 172.16.1.2 running isc-dchp-server.. but this dont set ip to nothing |
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| 18:00.44 | btorch | anyone happen to know a way to speed up the install of a small package when the load on a box is high .. like load avg 100+ ? :) |
| 18:00.48 | DebianMorten | Can someone help me installing Debian 6.0 ? I've been trying to do so using the netinstall-cd and the first cd-image but each time it says: that the dpkg package was corrupt. |
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| 18:00.52 | jelly-home | sioux_: does the third computer have 802.1Q capability and the switch configured correctly? |
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| 18:01.05 | FriendlySeal | why is debian so nasty with prompt and colors |
| 18:01.11 | btorch | 48 procs btw |
| 18:01.16 | FriendlySeal | i think profile.d way is much cleaner |
| 18:01.38 | FriendlySeal | however puting custom stuff in profile.d messes up debian |
| 18:01.48 | jelly-home | btorch: a load of 2+ per core isn't much |
| 18:01.52 | FriendlySeal | i like redhat way |
| 18:01.59 | FriendlySeal | regarding this |
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| 18:02.19 | btorch | i know right ... that's why it's so weird that it takes forever |
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| 18:02.39 | sioux_ | jelly-home: so i need 'assign' some ip to client that connect in access point in the hospital.. so i never know that have 802.1q capability.. |
| 18:03.09 | sioux_ | i'm trying vlan, because whith ifconfig eth1:0, isc-dhcp don´t works... |
| 18:03.15 | jelly-home | sioux_: sorry, your English is hard to understand |
| 18:03.30 | sioux_ | jelly-home: wait a minute.. i will explain better |
| 18:03.40 | FriendlySeal | comon jelly |
| 18:03.42 | btorch | there is a lot of wait time and also cpu usage but still ... cs looks ok |
| 18:03.58 | FriendlySeal | ur not being jelly |
| 18:04.05 | PuFFs | May I get some help on a little problem with my named.local.confg? |
| 18:04.42 | btorch | it takes 4-8min to get curl installed for example |
| 18:04.50 | jelly-home | btorch: your OS disk might be under load |
| 18:05.07 | FriendlySeal | ill tell u wats under load |
| 18:05.08 | jelly-home | btorch: verify with, dunno, iostat -x 1 |
| 18:05.13 | jelly-home | !ops FriendlySeal troll |
| 18:05.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: FriendlySeal troll |
| 18:05.39 | jelly-home | btorch: which debian release and kernel are you using btw? |
| 18:05.40 | DimmuR | iotop works nice as hdd monitir |
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| 18:06.31 | jelly-home | btorch: if you're also experiencing interactivity issues, there might be some easy tuning steps to take -- eg. moving from buggy cfq ioscheduler to deadline |
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| 18:06.44 | btorch | jelly-home: nope ... most of the I/O is directed to the jbod drives ... there are some r/s & w/s but bnothing over 15 |
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| 18:07.12 | DebianMorten | is anybody able to help with debian 6.0 installation which fails with corrupt dpkg.deb ? |
| 18:07.15 | btorch | jelly-home: let me double check but I'm sure our kick uses deadline already |
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| 18:08.46 | peterS | sioux_: in Debian you don't need to run vconfig explicitly. Just add 'eth1.10' as a normal interface in /etc/network/interfaces, and then 'ifup eth1.10' to bring it up |
| 18:08.49 | btorch | yep deadline already |
| 18:08.56 | peterS | sioux_: (of course you have to have the vlan package installed, but you already did that part) |
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| 18:09.59 | jelly-home | DimmuR: iotop focuses on per-process stats instead of per-device |
| 18:10.14 | jelly-home | btorch: which debian release and kernel are you using btw? |
| 18:10.16 | cwillu_at_work | iostat comes to mind |
| 18:10.19 | peterS | sioux_: so, e.g., if there is a DHCP server on VLAN 10 and it is a tagged VLAN on the switch port for eth1: 'auto eth1.10' 'iface eth1.10 inet dhcp' is all you need in the interfaces file |
| 18:10.56 | cwillu_at_work | DimmuR, iostat from sysstat package is handy |
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| 18:12.12 | btorch | jelly-home: squeeze with a 3.0 kernel |
| 18:13.21 | jelly-home | so it's not an obvious io issue, but a kernel one |
| 18:14.01 | btorch | just seems weird cause on other boxes with 2.6 the same occurs |
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| 18:15.38 | jelly-home | just for fun, what would happen if you constrained the processes doing your real load to N-2 cores? |
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| 18:16.36 | btorch | I'll check that out on another box in a while , just got find one I can do that first |
| 18:16.41 | jelly-home | (using a cpu affinity setting tool like taskset) |
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| 18:19.51 | btorch | cool I'll work on a box starting things up with that |
| 18:19.52 | btorch | thanks |
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| 18:22.40 | jelly-home | one amusing way to verify there's an io issue is to try installing under eatmydata wrapper (fsync() killer) |
| 18:23.05 | jelly-home | of course if the machine crashes your dpkg db might be inconsistent |
| 18:23.12 | jelly-home | or downright broken |
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| 18:24.22 | sioux_ | peterS: but, this way that i have conf is wrong? |
| 18:24.55 | peterS | sioux_: I don't know how to use vconfig manually. I am saying, if you do it via 'ifup' and the interfaces file, then you will get a normal default configuration for a VLAN. |
| 18:25.08 | sioux_ | ok |
| 18:25.10 | Diopter | vconfig is super simple |
| 18:25.14 | Diopter | Or you can use ip |
| 18:25.16 | peterS | Diopter: so is ifup |
| 18:25.28 | Diopter | ip link add link <iface> name <name> type vlan id <vlan> |
| 18:25.43 | Diopter | peterS: Yes. But vconfig is actually simpler than adding the tagged if to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:25.52 | jelly-home | I prefer setting up eth0.573 just like any other device in /e/n/interfaces |
| 18:25.54 | peterS | Diopter: not if you want the configuration to persist across reboots |
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| 18:26.02 | sioux_ | jelly-home: I have two servers with linux debian squeeze. In one of the servers have a physical card with eth1 ip 190.0.0.68. I installed the package vlan, I did the settings and enter the ip 172.16.1.2 in vlan; this server runs a dhcp server to distribute IP to a wireless access point (Ubiquiti has no unified dhcp server) for hospital patients. |
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| 18:27.00 | sioux_ | jelly-home: so dhcp dont working then i put ip in my computer and dont reponse a ping. So i installed vlan i another debian, and ping.. |
| 18:27.05 | jelly-home | sioux_: so you have IPs on both tagged and untagged eth1? |
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| 18:27.43 | jelly-home | sioux_: I'd recommend against that and use tagged traffic exclusively per phys. iface |
| 18:28.32 | jelly-home | sioux_: are the switches your machines are connected to configured for vlan trunking? |
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| 18:29.30 | jelly-home | 802.1Q tagged interface usually won't work without properly configured ports on the switch and vlans enabled |
| 18:29.30 | peterS | nothing wrong with tagged + untagged on a single port, IMO |
| 18:29.44 | jelly-home | peterS: tell that to broadcom drivers for windows |
| 18:29.59 | peterS | it's a problem there? |
| 18:30.13 | peterS | I've mainly just used Intel drives on Windows, where tagged + untagged is not at all hard to configure |
| 18:30.13 | jelly-home | does not work |
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| 18:30.47 | jelly-home | at least, did not work last time I had to manage windows, that means w2k3 in maybe 2008 or so |
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| 18:32.14 | sioux_ | jelly-home: yes, 2 |
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| 18:34.02 | jelly-home | and is the third machine's connectivity also a 802.1Q trunk or an access-mode port with correct vlan 10 configured? |
| 18:34.49 | jelly-home | (both work but server configuration is different) |
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| 18:38.22 | cj101 | hi, ive got a little problem, i was messing around last night with lfs and it told me to make /bin/sh either a symlink or script to /bin/bash. so, i did -> mv /bin/sh /bin/sh-old <- then created a new /bin/sh with one line saying /bin/bash. now i come to start my computer and it tells me /bin/sh is a read only system file and i cant remove it or overwrite it with the /bin/sh-old file. can anyone |
| 18:38.22 | cj101 | help me get the /bin/sh-old to overwrite the /bin/sh file? |
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| 18:39.19 | cj101 | i so have shell access and root access to the box at the moment by the way |
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| 18:40.59 | sioux_ | jelly-home: yes.. |
| 18:41.10 | jelly-home | which one? |
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| 18:41.50 | cj101 | do not so^ sorry, typos |
| 18:42.04 | jelly-home | sioux_: care to pastebin the switch configuration and the servers' configuration and point out the relevant ports? |
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| 18:42.37 | jelly-home | this is more of a question for ##networking anyway |
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| 18:42.53 | sioux_ | jelly-home: my switch not gerenciable |
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| 18:46.53 | cads | hey guys, I'm in debian Wheezy, trying install virtual box. I have the correct linux headers installed, however, when I do apt-get install virtualbox, I get this: http://pastie.org/4331728. |
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| 18:47.14 | cads | Lines 36-38 show that dkms tries to build the vbox kernel module, but skips it. The problem seems to be that I have linux kernel 3.2.0-2-686-pae, while the nearest available header package is linux-headers-3.2.0-3-486. What should I do? |
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| 18:47.59 | ectospasm | it seems dash lacks the [...] conditional construct... can anyone confirm whether this is true? To get around it I remapped /bin/sh to /bin/bash... |
| 18:48.57 | jelly-home | ectospasm: [ is a command. |
| 18:49.15 | cads | This has been broken for a few weeks, when I upgraded to wheezy. The upgrade did a kernel upgrade to 3.2.9-2-686-pae, and I guess that the kernel header package wasn't available then. That or it became unavailable before I tried to reinstall virtualbox.. |
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| 18:49.48 | ectospasm | jelly-home: well, with /bin/sh -> /bin/dash, the script (which I did not write) choked on '[' |
| 18:49.52 | cads | I'm reluctant to upgrade the kernel. Is that what I should do, though? |
| 18:49.59 | jelly-home | ectospasm: but to confirm whether your shell has is as a builtin or not, run "type [" in it |
| 18:50.41 | jelly-home | $ type [ |
| 18:50.41 | jelly-home | [ is a shell builtin |
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| 18:51.13 | jelly-home | ii dash 0.5.7-3 POSIX-compliant shell |
| 18:51.52 | jelly-home | cads: I'll assume you typoed 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 18:52.01 | jelly-home | ,v linux-headers-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 18:52.02 | judd | No package named 'linux-headers-3.2.0-2-686-pae' was found in i386. |
| 18:52.06 | jelly-home | ,v linux-headers-3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 18:52.07 | judd | Package: linux-headers-3.2.0-3-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.21-3; sid: 3.2.23-1 |
| 18:52.18 | jelly-home | cads: ... upgrade the kernel :-) |
| 18:52.38 | themill | ectospasm: can you pastebin a real example that fails? |
| 18:52.49 | jelly-home | cads: or pick the matching old package from snapshot.debian.org |
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| 18:53.39 | cads | where do I look for the standard kernel upgrade guide? |
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| 18:54.20 | cads | the thought of messing with my kernel gives me a bit of the heebies, as well as a touch of the jeebies. |
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| 18:54.51 | jelly-home | cads: installing 3.2.0-3-686-pae won't magically remove current 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 18:55.05 | cads | but I'll do it if it's well documented |
| 18:55.22 | cads | jelly-home, will it simply add a new grub entry? |
| 18:55.26 | jelly-home | (it would magically overwrite the old one if the names were exactly the same) |
| 18:55.27 | themill | cads: "aptitude install linux-image-686-pae" should be enough; you may need to do a dist-upgrade first |
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| 18:56.49 | cads | ah, a dist-upgrade wants to upgrade the kernel anyways :) |
| 18:57.17 | cads | hmm, and remove my xfce4 :P |
| 18:57.38 | cads | I'll play around with it, thanks |
| 18:57.48 | jelly-home | ,v xfce4 |
| 18:57.49 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 18:57.53 | jelly-home | ooh 4.10 |
| 18:58.22 | cads | I've slurped 4.10 from experimental |
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| 18:59.13 | cads | jelly, some info http://pastie.org/4331800 |
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| 19:00.10 | ectospasm | yep I see that... but the conditional definitely choked in the scri |
| 19:00.27 | jelly-home | sigh. When I tell aptitude -s install xfce4/experimental, I wish it didn't first suggest to 1) remove xfce4 2) keep xfce4 as-is 3) downgrade xfce4 before 4) figuring out how to do what I bloody asked it to in the first place |
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| 19:01.45 | cads | hmm, it'll apparently fix my xfce mixer. While nuking xfce :) |
| 19:02.03 | jelly-home | cads: r 7 8 9, then tell it to hunt for the solution some more |
| 19:02.17 | cj101 | found it, -> mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:02.33 | themill | ectospasm: and the specific conditional is ... |
| 19:02.40 | jelly-home | has forward-ported vuze 4.7.0.2 |
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| 19:04.50 | cads | jelly-home, cool. It'll keep (the as of now broken) xfce mixer, and upgrade the kernel http://pastie.org/4331837 |
| 19:04.53 | ectospasm | sorry for the delayed reply, experienced massive lag... |
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| 19:04.59 | jelly-home | cads: http://jebo.me/pas/4 aptitude CLI can be guided by partially rejecting or accepting its numbered suggestions |
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| 19:05.22 | cads | that is remarkable |
| 19:05.46 | DebianInstallati | Hello, does anybody know why I receive errors during debian 6.0 installation saying I got corrupt debs? |
| 19:05.54 | ectospasm | themill: if I remember correctly it's like if [ "$VAR" == "secondary" ]; then... and dash choked on [ |
| 19:05.57 | DebianInstallati | full syslog available |
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| 19:06.11 | themill | ectospasm: == is a bashism |
| 19:06.33 | themill | dpkg: tell ectospasm about bashism |
| 19:06.55 | ectospasm | right.. and I think /bin/sh defaults to bash on Red Hat and CentOS, where this script was primarily tested... |
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| 19:06.58 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 19:07.31 | themill | ectospasm: so it's a buggy script. If you use bash features, then use #!/bin/bash; if you don't then you can use #!/bin/sh. |
| 19:07.41 | jelly-home | so after you tell it to "no, don't remove xfce4" (lines 26 and 35), "no, don't keep it as-is" (45, 56) and "no, don't downgrade it either" (68, 81) ... it figures out how to do what you want |
| 19:08.24 | themill | jelly-home: is "-t experimental" more successful? just /experimental is requiring it to a lot of things that go against pinning |
| 19:08.46 | jelly-home | themill: it's possibly better, but I consider -t experimental too silly to use |
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| 19:09.37 | themill | I assume that you've got pinning that would let apt pull dependencies from experimental then... |
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| 19:09.52 | jelly-home | naturally! <g> |
| 19:10.24 | jelly-home | hm, -t experimental results in nastier offers |
| 19:12.15 | jelly-home | http://jebo.me/pas/1 |
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| 19:22.11 | jhutchins_wk | What really bothers me about the spam I get, probably from my WHOIS records, directed toward IT managers and purchasers, is that it must be effective enough to be worth while, which means some idiot out there is basing purchasing and management decisions on spam. |
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| 19:23.40 | DammitJim | how does one send commands to a serial port on a terminal? |
| 19:24.06 | xand | DammitJim: depends what you're doing but you can just write to /dev/ttyS0 for example |
| 19:24.19 | nvz | echo "command" > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:24.37 | cads | jelly-home, that looks gnarly :P |
| 19:24.41 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 19:24.59 | cads | jelly-home, upgrade complete, I'm going to boot into the new kernel |
| 19:25.21 | jelly-home | cads: well sure, but apt-get doesn't let you choose your own adventure |
| 19:25.43 | jelly-home | if it works it works, if it doesn't... tough |
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| 19:26.23 | cads | jelly-home, I'm guessing it does a similar constraint solving problem, without letting you partially reject solutions |
| 19:26.26 | cads | brb |
| 19:27.00 | jelly-home | obviously we need a SAT solver library in there |
| 19:27.37 | cads | no doubt |
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| 19:33.43 | cads | jelly-home, all is well. My Virtualboxen are happy once more. |
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| 19:35.18 | jelly-home | /o\ |
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| 19:44.09 | \Jan | So, I installed a couple packages that I thought would help me get a bit more performance out of my laptop's GPU, in short, it only made it worse and now when I try to purge the packages, it wants to remove gimp/every media player I have/pulse/etc other things |
| 19:44.33 | WebDawg | So if I want an init.d script to depend on another service I just put the name of the services script in # Required-Start: ? |
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| 19:44.46 | WebDawg | IE openvpn ?? |
| 19:45.49 | gnarface | WebDawg: working with LSB for the first time? i've never tried it but that sounds about right |
| 19:46.07 | gnarface | is it called LSB? |
| 19:46.16 | WebDawg | gnarface, I just wondered if you could use the service name directly. |
| 19:46.25 | WebDawg | Yeh. |
| 19:46.29 | WebDawg | I think you use insserv too. |
| 19:46.42 | gnarface | dpkg, tell WebDawg about lsb tags |
| 19:46.49 | gnarface | found it for you WebDawg |
| 19:47.12 | gnarface | WebDawg: i think that is where the docs are for it |
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| 19:47.36 | somiaj | gnarface, WebDawg: correct it is the LSB headers, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/ |
| 19:47.58 | themill | /etc/init.d/README is also relevant |
| 19:48.19 | WebDawg | Yeh. I get the LSB headers part but alot of docs on it just talk about $var and not actual service names. |
| 19:48.20 | somiaj | though Required-Start isn't an guarntee the service is fully running. For example the mysql start scripts will exit 0 before the actuall database is fully up and you are able to connect to it from another script/program. |
| 19:48.51 | \Jan | Nevermind, used aptitude and it worked |
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| 19:49.27 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 19:49.40 | sobersabre | I am unable to kill my dhcp server. |
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| 19:49.44 | WebDawg | but instead of $remote_fs or $syslog I could just put the name of a service (as it states in the LSB head of the service script file) |
| 19:50.00 | larks | I have a question, it is possible to set up a computer where it connections to a VPN through one NIC and then through another NIC it offers network connectivity to the VPN as if it was on that network. For example someone plugs their computer into the VPN "server" and it connects to the VPN etc, so it like you're plugging into the remote network |
| 19:50.23 | WebDawg | larks, yes. |
| 19:51.04 | gnarface | larks: covered in the openvpn HOWTO |
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| 19:55.42 | larks | WebDawg and gnarface, thanks |
| 19:55.43 | WebDawg | larks. You are going to want to bridge network 1 and network 2 |
| 19:55.43 | WebDawg | right? |
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| 19:56.11 | phogg | what's a good replacement for dillo? Lightweight x11 web browser. |
| 19:57.07 | phogg | hmm, dillo not in stable but in testing/sid... maybe dillo is its own replacement |
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| 19:57.17 | larks | yeah, basically there's network 1 and 2 I want to bridge, but network 1 and 2 are both connected to network 3 |
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| 19:57.23 | WebDawg | Im sure you will figure it out. |
| 19:57.25 | WebDawg | Use openVPN like he said. |
| 19:57.37 | larks | just want to see if it's possible now |
| 19:57.37 | gnarface | larks: openvpn can do it bridged or routed. they don't have to share a subnet necessarily to talk to each other |
| 19:57.38 | WebDawg | larks, tun is layer 3 and tap is layer 2. |
| 19:57.40 | int_64 | hi, I am building a package, and it contains a directory with files and sub0dirs..in my rules file I am copying the directory to the proper mirror folder, however when I install the package, the folder does't get copied to its final destination. |
| 19:57.41 | int_64 | What might I be doing wrong? |
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| 19:57.43 | int_64 | the individual files in the rules file DO get copied..but not the directory |
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| 19:58.34 | somiaj | int_64: if no one else answers here you may find #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net a good place to ask that question. |
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| 19:58.49 | int_64 | Thanks somiaj! |
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| 19:59.58 | int_64 | it appears to be invite only |
| 19:59.59 | WebDawg | On a package upgrade if I changed a startup script what happens when the package wants to install a new startup script? |
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| 20:00.34 | gnarface | int_64: on irc.oftc.net. you're on freenode now |
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| 20:00.58 | WebDawg | What is in that chan? |
| 20:01.16 | int_64 | gnarface, doh |
| 20:01.17 | int_64 | my bad |
| 20:01.18 | int_64 | thanks |
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| 20:01.42 | int_64 | im on pidgin..and I have dozens of status messages..havent figured out how to turn them off yet, so it got lost |
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| 20:01.45 | int_64 | just installed it |
| 20:01.52 | gnarface | WebDawg: I would assume debian maintainers who are trying to help people become debian maintainers, as well as people trying to become debian maintainers |
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| 20:07.32 | sobersabre | ok, I resolved the issue. the mess was related to syslog-ng + log in dhcpd |
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| 20:16.16 | martinarielhartm | how can I know which one is my root partition when I do fdisk -l? |
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| 20:17.32 | ectospasm | martinarielhartm: check the output of 'mount' |
| 20:17.58 | ectospasm | if that gives a UUID, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/<UUID> |
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| 20:19.04 | martinarielhartm | what is a UUID? something like /dev/sr0? |
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| 20:19.24 | ectospasm | dpkg, tell martinarielhartm about uuid |
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| 20:20.23 | martinarielhartm | okay, so it says rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 20:20.37 | martinarielhartm | among other things... |
| 20:20.38 | ectospasm | look for another line |
| 20:20.54 | martinarielhartm | none on /proc... |
| 20:21.00 | martinarielhartm | none on /sys... |
| 20:21.08 | martinarielhartm | tmpfs on /dev |
| 20:21.16 | ectospasm | you're not using LVM, are you? |
| 20:21.17 | martinarielhartm | none on /dev/pts |
| 20:21.28 | martinarielhartm | /dev/sr0 on /cdrom |
| 20:21.32 | martinarielhartm | I don't remember... |
| 20:21.41 | martinarielhartm | maybe not |
| 20:21.48 | ectospasm | mount | grep ' / ' |
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| 20:22.33 | martinarielhartm | rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 20:22.56 | ectospasm | are you booted in a live CD or other rescue image? |
| 20:23.04 | martinarielhartm | rescue mode yes. |
| 20:23.19 | ectospasm | that's it, your actual root partition isn't mounted |
| 20:23.33 | ectospasm | what does fdisk -l say? pastebin please... |
| 20:23.34 | martinarielhartm | I lost grub because I removed another linux distro |
| 20:24.07 | martinarielhartm | well I am in another computer of course. which column are you interested in? |
| 20:24.41 | martinarielhartm | I mean, would take some time to copy all to this computer... |
| 20:25.02 | ectospasm | hmmmm... |
| 20:25.10 | ectospasm | first, how many partitions does it list? |
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| 20:25.38 | martinarielhartm | 5: sda1, sda2, 5, 6 and 7. |
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| 20:26.00 | ectospasm | you could do process of elimination, mount each one, one at a time, to /mnt, and check the directory contents... |
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| 20:26.21 | ectospasm | 5 is the extended partition, so that's not it |
| 20:26.42 | ectospasm | one of them is probably marked as Linux swap, so you can count it out too |
| 20:27.22 | martinarielhartm | is it relevant if it is linux, extended or swap / solaris? |
| 20:27.25 | ectospasm | you can look at the starting and end sector, and determine which one is the same size as your root partiion |
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| 20:27.42 | ectospasm | martinarielhartm: swap/solaris is swap |
| 20:27.59 | ectospasm | Linux extended is an ext2/ext3/ext4 partition |
| 20:28.07 | ectospasm | you'll probably have at least two of those |
| 20:28.15 | martinarielhartm | so it should be one of the two that are called linux? |
| 20:28.20 | ectospasm | right |
| 20:28.40 | martinarielhartm | the smallest one right? |
| 20:28.53 | martinarielhartm | the one with less blocks |
| 20:29.09 | martinarielhartm | maybe? |
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| 20:29.19 | ectospasm | you can determine the actual size in bytes by typing "echo $((($END_BLOCK - $START_BLOCK)/$BLOCK_SIZE))" |
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| 20:29.53 | ectospasm | replacing $END_BLOCK, $START_BLOCK, and $BLOCK_SIZE with the appropriate values |
| 20:30.14 | ectospasm | $BLOCK_SIZE is probably 512 bytes |
| 20:31.21 | ectospasm | but if you've only got two partitions to choose from, you can mount each one read-only, and do a directory listing... if you see directories like bin, usr, home... you've got your root partition. |
| 20:31.57 | ectospasm | mount -o ro /dev/sda? /mnt; ls /mnt |
| 20:32.11 | martinarielhartm | /bin/sh: echo 0: not found |
| 20:32.36 | ectospasm | er |
| 20:32.55 | ectospasm | you can determine the actual size in bytes by typing "echo $(($(($END_BLOCK - $START_BLOCK))/$BLOCK_SIZE))" |
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| 20:33.23 | martinarielhartm | okay, the one I thought has lost+found |
| 20:33.28 | xgl____ | hi all |
| 20:33.40 | ectospasm | but put the actual integer values for $END_BLOCK, $START_BLOCK, and $BLOCK_SIZE |
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| 20:34.20 | ectospasm | lost+found is where the system puts orphaned inodes |
| 20:34.34 | ectospasm | ...or something like that |
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| 20:35.33 | ectospasm | martinarielhartm: did you figure it out? |
| 20:35.38 | martinarielhartm | so it's not that one I guess |
| 20:35.53 | martinarielhartm | how to try mounting another one? |
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| 20:36.21 | ectospasm | umount /mnt, repeat the 'mount' command with the other partition. |
| 20:36.21 | martinarielhartm | umount /mnt or something like that? |
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| 20:37.15 | martinarielhartm | okay the other linux one has bin, boot, dev, etc, home... |
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| 20:37.27 | ectospasm | ding! ding! ding! ding! |
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| 20:37.33 | ectospasm | We have a winner! |
| 20:37.44 | martinarielhartm | nice :) now let's put grub here... |
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| 20:38.06 | ectospasm | that I haven't had to do manually in so long I don't remember how to do it, unfortunately. |
| 20:38.38 | martinarielhartm | okay thanks anyway! |
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| 20:39.06 | martinarielhartm | but should I do this? http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 20:39.52 | ectospasm | did uninstalling the other Linux distro overwrite the MBR? |
| 20:40.11 | martinarielhartm | I don't know... |
| 20:40.35 | ectospasm | normally removing a Linux distro won't overwrite the MBR, or make the other OSes unbootable |
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| 20:41.08 | ectospasm | ...but the Recover Grub instructions look like they may be what you need. |
| 20:41.09 | martinarielhartm | I get rescue> when I boot. |
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| 20:41.27 | ectospasm | that's grub_rescue... it's pointing to a root/boot partition that no longer exists |
| 20:41.52 | martinarielhartm | how do I know what kind of hd(x,y) is sda1 |
| 20:42.05 | ectospasm | that's usually hd(0,0) |
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| 20:42.15 | ectospasm | first disk, first partition |
| 20:42.44 | ectospasm | (0-based count) |
| 20:43.04 | nautilux | little suggestion... can you use a livecd like knoppix or so, to see if you have the partitions ok. |
| 20:43.14 | martinarielhartm | okay grub install, fatal error |
| 20:43.52 | ectospasm | nautilux: yes, or use grml |
| 20:43.54 | ectospasm | !grml |
| 20:43.54 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:44.20 | nautilux | great, ectospasm |
| 20:44.24 | martinarielhartm | well I don't have cds... but I have a ubuntu livecd, would that do? |
| 20:44.46 | ectospasm | martinarielhartm: I dunno, does it have SuperGrub? |
| 20:44.47 | nautilux | yes, you can use it |
| 20:45.25 | martinarielhartm | I have a folder called /boot/grub in sda1 |
| 20:45.30 | martinarielhartm | is that of any use? |
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| 20:46.24 | rosenzweig_ | Is there anyway to check the version of glsl that the free drivers can use? |
| 20:46.41 | ectospasm | that's where the header in the MBR will point when you boot |
| 20:46.52 | martinarielhartm | okay I will just boot with the ubuntu live cd. |
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| 20:47.53 | martinarielhartm | ok now what? |
| 20:48.36 | nautilux | http://opensource-sidh.blogspot.com.es/2011/06/recover-grub-live-ubuntu-cd.html <== you can try this, if you have the partition ok |
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| 20:49.18 | martinarielhartm | ok |
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| 20:49.58 | nautilux | read slowly ... good luck :) bye |
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| 20:54.33 | ls3 | Is there a way to tell when a package was last updated? |
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| 20:55.43 | themill | ls3: every package has a changelog |
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| 20:58.04 | ls3 | Oh ok. And this is the changelog of changes on my local system, not the changelog for the actual package set by the maintainer or whoever, right? |
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| 20:59.51 | themill | ls3: I don't understand the distinction you are making. Take a look yourself in /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:59.52 | tgs3 | ls3: this are changes in package by maintainer |
| 21:00.08 | tgs3 | ls3: apt writes something like /var/log/apt/... that can tell you when what version was installed on your system |
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| 21:00.46 | ls3 | oh the log, duh. thanks. i'm having recent issues with screen and was just wondering if it was updated on my box lately. |
| 21:00.47 | tgs3 | themill: he means probly when he installed it |
| 21:01.20 | martinarielhartm | okay I did those steps, it boots and it says something really fast and then it dissapears. |
| 21:01.34 | martinarielhartm | I will try update-grub2 |
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| 21:03.22 | Jikai | Hi! |
| 21:03.22 | Jikai | Is there a way to install libstdc++6-4.5-dev in Squeeze and if yes, how? |
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| 21:05.45 | jordanm | ,versions libstdc++6-4.5-dev |
| 21:05.46 | judd | Package: libstdc++6-4.5-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 4.5.3-12; sid: 4.5.4-1 |
| 21:05.53 | jordanm | ,checkbackport libstdc++6-4.5-dev |
| 21:05.54 | judd | Backporting package libstdc++6-4.5-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~). |
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| 21:09.26 | Jikai | unsatisfiable :/ |
| 21:09.26 | martinarielhartm | ectospasm: I tried the steps in http://opensource-sidh.blogspot.com.es/2011/06/recover-grub-live-ubuntu-cd.html but when I do update-grub2 I get Generating grub.cfg ... /etc/grub.d/00_header: 28: .: Can't open /usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib |
| 21:09.33 | Jikai | OK, thanks |
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| 21:10.23 | martinarielhartm | same thing with update-grub |
| 21:11.04 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: apt-get install --reinstall grub # from inside of the chroot |
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| 21:12.14 | jordanm | ,file /usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib |
| 21:12.19 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 21:12.35 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 21:12.54 | martinarielhartm | wheezy, but I am using an ubuntu live cd at the moment |
| 21:13.04 | jordanm | ,file /usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib --release wheezy |
| 21:13.11 | judd | Search for /usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib in wheezy/i386: grub-common: usr/share/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib |
| 21:13.44 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: reinstall grub common, or ensure /usr is mounted in the chroot if you have /usr on a seperate partition |
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| 21:15.07 | martinarielhartm | jordanm: unfortunately I do not know how to do any of the alternatives |
| 21:16.23 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: if you can't accomplish tasks such as mount a partition, I would not recommend using testing |
| 21:17.00 | martinarielhartm | okay I know... sudo mount --bind /usr /mnt/usr ? |
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| 21:18.52 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: no, that would mount the live cd's /usr |
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| 21:20.38 | martinarielhartm | you mean sudo chroot /mnt? |
| 21:21.00 | martinarielhartm | probably not. well if you can clarify it would be good |
| 21:23.19 | martinarielhartm | okay now update-grub2 gives a different error: usr/bin/python: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:23.25 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: the problem is that the shell script executed by grub2 was unable to find a file. that file is part of the grub-common package. either you have not mounted the /usr partition from your wheezy install, or the package needs to be reinstalled on your wheezy install |
| 21:24.51 | martinarielhartm | and how do I mount /usr? |
| 21:25.06 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: using the mount command |
| 21:25.16 | nsadmin | is usr separate? |
| 21:25.22 | dvs | puts away the saddle |
| 21:25.31 | jordanm | he doesn't know |
| 21:26.13 | martinarielhartm | I don't know. |
| 21:26.21 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: pastebin /mnt/etc/fstab |
| 21:27.26 | nsadmin | oh, the wheezy / is mounted? cd /mnt/usr ; ls -CF | nopaste |
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| 21:27.46 | nsadmin | that should tell us right away? |
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| 21:28.01 | \Jan | If I end up repartitioning my drive, will I have to do the whole mount/chroot/update-grub/edit fstab thing again? |
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| 21:28.06 | \Jan | I always hated that |
| 21:28.14 | martinarielhartm | pastebin.com/GthEvqXi |
| 21:28.41 | dvs | \Jan: it depends how you repartition it. |
| 21:28.52 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: ok, so how did you get into this mess? |
| 21:29.02 | nsadmin | \Jan, got enough space on a different drive to store the largest of your partitions? |
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| 21:29.06 | dvs | \Jan: Adding/removing a /boot partition? Moving the / partition? |
| 21:29.28 | jordanm | the /boot partition actually only needs to be mounted for upgrades |
| 21:29.41 | \Jan | My /boot is on my / |
| 21:29.53 | jordanm | grub-install and update-grub would need to be ran again though |
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| 21:30.09 | \Jan | I have windows and ubuntu on other partitions |
| 21:30.13 | \Jan | bu my /home is getting full |
| 21:30.32 | nsadmin | \Jan, n/m... evidently you didn't see my post |
| 21:30.39 | jordanm | \Jan: next time, plan ahead, use LVM :) |
| 21:30.54 | jordanm | and don't allocate all of your VG |
| 21:31.25 | nsadmin | that would be a reason for backing up the whole drive onto another drive and then replacing what's on the old drive with pv partiton(s) |
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| 21:31.33 | martinarielhartm | so I try running those two. |
| 21:32.05 | \Jan | i'm not sure if I have an LVM or not |
| 21:32.13 | martinarielhartm | I get that python error, libssl.so.0.9.8 not found |
| 21:32.53 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: it looks like you install is missing files that it should have, how did you get into this mess? |
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| 21:33.46 | nsadmin | pvscan will tell you |
| 21:34.01 | martinarielhartm | pastebin.com/0biNSXY6 |
| 21:34.36 | nsadmin | nopaste doesn;t use pastebin.com (I don't either) |
| 21:34.41 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: you don't appear to be inside of the chroot |
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| 21:35.12 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: also, you typically want to install grub to the MBR rather than a partition |
| 21:35.25 | \Jan | Oh, I do have an lvm according to gparted |
| 21:35.41 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: and honestly, I would recommend just reinstalling *stable* and restoring a backup of your /home (assuming this is a desktop) |
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| 21:36.41 | martinarielhartm | oh I don't want to give up. |
| 21:37.19 | martinarielhartm | I am going to say how did I get into this mess first |
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| 21:38.22 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: fixing the problem in a time-efficient way is not "giving up" |
| 21:38.50 | martinarielhartm | that's true. okay so how do I restore /home? |
| 21:39.04 | martinarielhartm | is it an option in the debian installer? |
| 21:39.12 | jordanm | that depends on how you made your backups |
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| 21:39.52 | martinarielhartm | what backups? |
| 21:40.25 | jordanm | the ones every person who cares about their data should have |
| 21:40.45 | martinarielhartm | then I'm not a person.. |
| 21:41.20 | martinarielhartm | I didn't have data, it was basically used for internet. |
| 21:42.05 | nsadmin | martinarielhartm, no, you are still a person and you should still backup data you consider important |
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| 21:43.07 | jordanm | if you don't really have any data, then a reinstall is an even easier choice |
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| 21:44.17 | martinarielhartm | I will reinstall ubuntu, get the grub from ubuntu as before, and that's it. |
| 21:44.43 | martinarielhartm | I mean install it alongside debian |
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| 21:46.00 | martinarielhartm | I removed ubuntu only because debian was not in the first line of the grub, so I had to go down to choose it. |
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| 21:50.00 | jordanm | martinarielhartm: that could have been altered without uninstalling the other OS |
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| 21:51.15 | martinarielhartm | well let's see how the side by side install goes. In the next step of my linux tutorial, I will learn how to change the order of the distros in grub (or change the default distro), or I will learn how to make debian grub the default one (and possibly remove ubuntu after that).\ |
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| 21:52.05 | martinarielhartm | but thanks jordanm and ectospasm for your help and patience! |
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| 21:55.51 | herbert_ | Nmcli fails to up wireless exactly like in this report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741814 any clues? |
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| 22:06.08 | martinarielhartm | goodbye! |
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| 22:09.51 | tgs3 | how to compare 2 directories are they identical in files, file content, and maybe also file flags (chmod, modtime, chown etc) and print differences? |
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| 22:17.21 | ngc0202 | Heya |
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| 22:18.36 | ngc0202 | I've recently installed Debian on my External HDD |
| 22:18.50 | gnarface | congrads |
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| 22:19.46 | ngc0202 | Sorry for being distracted, my boss is talking to me on Skype |
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| 22:20.38 | ngc0202 | Anyhow, when my external drive is plugged in, I'd like it to boot to the GRUB on the drive, and when it's not, to Windows |
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| 22:20.59 | ngc0202 | However, I don't think my computer is noticing my external drive on startup 80% of the time |
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| 22:21.21 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 22:21.48 | ngc0202 | Is there any way I can fix that? |
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| 22:22.04 | nsadmin | ngc0202, I would suggest install grub on the internal and get it to boot the windows or the thing on the external |
| 22:22.26 | ngc0202 | Well I don't have a free partition on the internal for GRUB |
| 22:22.38 | ngc0202 | I'd rather it my way anyway |
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| 22:22.51 | ngc0202 | But still, if it isn't noticing my drive, then GRUB wouldn't be able to boot to it anyway |
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| 22:22.56 | nsadmin | if your way is available, sure |
| 22:23.25 | ngc0202 | available? |
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| 22:24.17 | nsadmin | maybe you can set "external usb" as the first in the bios boot order and your hd as the second |
| 22:24.44 | ngc0202 | Well the thing is, a lot of the time I look at the boot list, the external isn't even on the list |
| 22:24.57 | nsadmin | whether that is available in your bios will allow or block that particular solution |
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| 22:25.48 | gnarface | ngc0202: it *is* possible to make a grub boot cd |
| 22:25.58 | gnarface | ngc0202: just for this purpose |
| 22:26.30 | nsadmin | I mean (if your bios has this), you would go into the bios, find where it lets you set the boot order and change it |
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| 22:27.20 | ngc0202 | hrm |
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| 22:28.58 | martinarielhartm | I am using the ubuntu grub. how can I switch to the debian grub? |
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| 22:29.31 | martinarielhartm | basically I want debian to be first on the list of distros... whatever is easier to do. |
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| 22:30.08 | gnarface | i'd like to tell you what i think will do it, but i won't because i refuse to be responsible for breaking ubuntu further |
| 22:30.54 | martinarielhartm | just let me know. everything is working now :) |
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| 22:31.13 | martinarielhartm | and I will uninstall ubuntu anyway. |
| 22:32.16 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 22:32.33 | gnarface | do you have a running debian install? |
| 22:32.44 | martinarielhartm | yep. |
| 22:33.11 | martinarielhartm | I have a dual boot. but since I installed ubuntu after debian, I have the ubuntu grub. |
| 22:33.39 | gnarface | wouldn't you just update-grub or grub-install or something from within the debian install? |
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| 22:36.23 | martinarielhartm | yeah, but I would prefer some clear indications |
| 22:37.22 | nsadmin | of? |
| 22:37.36 | nsadmin | how to use those things? |
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| 22:40.04 | martinarielhartm | well what I should exactly type... |
| 22:40.15 | tjiggi_fo | martinarielhartm, install "Startup-Manager" from the software center and set your boot order from there |
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| 22:45.55 | martinarielhartm | nice tjiggi_fo |
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| 22:46.18 | knob | Good afternoon everyone =) |
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| 22:56.01 | knob | What command can I run to see all the network interfaces? |
| 22:56.23 | knob | When I check /etc/network/interfaces I see both ethernet ports, yet I don't see the WiFi adapter |
| 22:57.01 | dondelelcaro | knob: ip link |
| 22:57.22 | knob | thanks |
| 22:57.26 | knob | on my way |
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| 22:58.38 | knob | I see the eth0 and eth1... yet I also see a pan0 and a uap0 .... any thoughts on which is the WiFi? |
| 22:58.52 | knob | The unit also has bluetooth... so I reckon one of those is the bluetooth |
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| 22:59.57 | raz0 | knob: it should be one of the ethX |
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| 23:00.41 | knob | hmm... then... where would I go about with the WiFi? Would it still be ethX ? |
| 23:00.45 | dondelelcaro | knob: if you're not sure iwconfig or iw; will tell you |
| 23:01.05 | knob | awesome! |
| 23:01.09 | knob | got it... it's the uap0 |
| 23:01.10 | dondelelcaro | knob: if the interface has wireless extensions, you'll get something else as output besides "this interface has no wireless extensions" |
| 23:01.13 | knob | don't know why they named it that |
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| 23:01.34 | dondelelcaro | knob: they can name it pretty much anything. I actually name my wireless interfaces on my laptops "wireless", and the wired "wired" |
| 23:01.54 | knob | simplicity! =) |
| 23:02.02 | knob | lets see if I can change those names |
| 23:02.28 | dondelelcaro | knob: you can using udev. see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 23:03.05 | knob | nice |
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| 23:07.46 | ngc0202 | Why, when I choose to boot from my external HDD containing Debian, does it just give a black screen with a flashing white _ |
| 23:08.20 | user485763 | greetings, i'd like to add debian's unstable and experimental repositories, but can't get around an error: |
| 23:08.22 | user485763 | Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit |
| 23:08.58 | user485763 | any thoughts? google's solutions haven't worked. |
| 23:11.47 | section1 | user485763, do you increase that limit ? |
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| 23:13.02 | user485763 | i've tried increasing it in two places: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf and /etc/atp/apt.conf |
| 23:13.37 | dondelelcaro | user485763: you shouldn't need to change that setting with any modern version of apt. What version of debian is this? |
| 23:13.55 | dondelelcaro | ngc0202: that sounds like the boot loader isn't even starting, but hard to say |
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| 23:14.09 | ngc0202 | hrm |
| 23:14.32 | ngc0202 | Can I install GRUB to the external drive on Windows? |
| 23:14.56 | user485763 | linux mint debian edition |
| 23:15.12 | user485763 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.13 | user485763 | but |
| 23:15.23 | user485763 | i've got work. sorry to run out. later |
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| 23:18.38 | nvz | does anyone else wanna sue someone over using the name debian? cause personally I don't want to have to support other distros.. heh |
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| 23:19.32 | nvz | I heard that many times now and I thought it was just something idiots said, turns out there is something called linux mint debian edition, and that should be punished, publically smited even, for someone doing something so ignorant |
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| 23:23.23 | DelphiWorld | Hello |
| 23:23.28 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: Hello |
| 23:23.40 | DelphiWorld | it's allowed to use third parti cd or img to install debian ? |
| 23:24.06 | DelphiWorld | hi themill |
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| 23:26.06 | gnarface | DelphiWorld: allowed and supported are not the same thing |
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| 23:26.30 | DelphiWorld | gnarface: so both. |
| 23:27.03 | gnarface | DelphiWorld: i don't actually know for sure but I would assume only the official debian installers are actually supported |
| 23:27.26 | gnarface | DelphiWorld: that said, the installer *is* customizable ... |
| 23:27.40 | DelphiWorld | gnarface: www.gooze.eu |
| 23:27.48 | DelphiWorld | gnarface: not *ADVERTISING*. |
| 23:28.03 | DelphiWorld | gnarface: that ofer a small img file that you can put into a cf and install into a alix or any embedded. |
| 23:28.07 | DelphiWorld | that the way i asked |
| 23:29.09 | gnarface | DelphiWorld: i suspect for that you would want to get support from them directly |
| 23:29.30 | DelphiWorld | gnarface: i dont evean need support, i'm happy with that |
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| 23:30.46 | Flynn | hey friends i got a quick question, if im doing an upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy |
| 23:30.56 | Flynn | when im editing my apt.conf |
| 23:31.00 | Flynn | and other confs |
| 23:31.04 | Flynn | would i put in |
| 23:31.06 | Flynn | wheezy or testing |
| 23:31.14 | Flynn | or since im using #! would i use waldorf? |
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| 23:32.24 | gnarface | Flynn: for the apt.conf, either works, but if you call it by name then it will not break when wheezy goes stable, so its recommended to call it by name rather than use "testing/stable/unstable" etc |
| 23:32.53 | Flynn | oh okay thanks gnarface, would waldorf even work you think? |
| 23:32.57 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Flynn about squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:33.04 | gnarface | Flynn: never heard of waldorf |
| 23:33.16 | Flynn | its #!'s wheezy |
| 23:33.17 | Flynn | pretty much |
| 23:33.22 | gnarface | hmm |
| 23:33.39 | Flynn | when i edited it the first time it said statler |
| 23:33.55 | gnarface | are you talking about non-debian distro names? |
| 23:33.55 | Flynn | which is squeeze = |
| 23:34.01 | Flynn | nah |
| 23:34.10 | Flynn | #! is debian |
| 23:34.12 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Flynn about based on debian |
| 23:34.36 | Flynn | #! is debian with openbox |
| 23:34.38 | Flynn | all it is really |
| 23:34.39 | Flynn | lol |
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| 23:34.56 | Flynn | its 100% compliant with debian |
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| 23:37.46 | DelphiWorld | gnarface: thank you thought. |
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| 23:38.17 | Flynn | gnarface, thanks for the help though broski |
| 23:38.51 | nsadmin | , v roundcube |
| 23:38.53 | judd | Package: roundcube on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.3.1-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.1-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.7.2-3; wheezy: 0.7.2-3 |
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| 23:46.51 | knob | Guys, please some help... I can't get this Debian box to grab an IP via ethernet |
| 23:47.06 | knob | I can connect to the box itself with WiFi (she acts like an access point) |
| 23:47.22 | knob | Yet if I plug in a ethernet cable... I can't get her to grab an IP |
| 23:48.06 | knob | Here is what I have in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:48.07 | knob | http://pastebin.com/hPYsFquN |
| 23:48.23 | knob | I added the line allow-hotplug eth0 under auto eth0 |
| 23:48.36 | knob | restarted the networking daemon... and... =( |
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| 23:48.54 | knob | I... I changed ethernet cables 4 times... I even changed the router to which I was trying to connect it |
| 23:49.02 | knob | What can I check? |
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| 23:50.42 | civillian | when I type something into tty1 local console, instead of say letter a it prints ^[a |
| 23:50.47 | civillian | what causes this? |
| 23:50.51 | gnarface | knob: you use one of those lines or the other, not both |
| 23:51.11 | knob | Well, I... I'm pluggin in just one ethernet cable... not both of them at the same time |
| 23:52.10 | gnarface | knob: one of the lines you said you added to the interfaces file, not ethernet cables you didn't mention |
| 23:52.36 | knob | ok =\ |
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| 23:52.50 | knob | So... the correct version would be... |
| 23:53.04 | knob | wait.. I remove the auto eth0 ? |
| 23:53.11 | knob | Or the bottom one? |
| 23:53.14 | knob | I just want it to go DHCP |
| 23:53.20 | knob | I'm a loss |
| 23:53.26 | knob | *at a loss |
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| 23:54.16 | gnarface | knob: remove the auto eth0. the allow-hotplug eth0 you added was intended to replace it. i can only assume that's your problem because i've never done such a thing and i've never had that problem. |
| 23:55.12 | knob | ok... Going to try that right now |
| 23:55.14 | knob | thank you |
| 23:55.20 | knob | will update in a couple of minutes =) |
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